From StevenTice at AOL.COM Fri Oct 1 00:35:08 1999 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 00:35:08 EDT Subject: Imaginos/Half Life Time Message-ID: In a message dated 9/30/99 8:01:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK writes: << have on phones at this moment _Chemical Wedding_ by Bruce Dickinson, which the lamentably departed Carl Anderson was quite right to attempt to persuade me was comparable to _Imaginos_ in is grandeur and its lyrical virtuosity... Most of it lifted from Blake >> Ooh, I love William Blake! Who is this Dickinson fellow, anyway? What style(s) of music does he perform? SET From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Oct 1 01:46:40 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 01:46:40 EDT Subject: (fwd) OFF: virus warning Message-ID: i've spared y'all the several inches worth of people to whom this was already forwarded...note to BOC-L folk: adrian shaw was among the people who received this. =============== > Dear All > If you receive an Email called Budweiser please do not attempt to open it >as it carries a virus. >Please inform computer personnel who will advise you on any preventative >action. >Thanks >Warning received from Microsoft of new Virus, >You may receive an apparently harmless Budweiser screen saver, >entitled BUDDYLST.SIP If you do - DO NOT OPEN IT >UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, >Once opened, you will lose EVERYTHING on your PC. >Your hard disk will be completely destroyed and the person who sent you >the message will have access to your name and password via the Internet. 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From: RMayo19761 at aol.com Subject: royal albert hall in the can....(ouch) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 00:50:47 EDT Size: 603 URL: From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Oct 1 04:00:32 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:00:32 +0100 Subject: HW: 70's Synths In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I believe Dik Mik on the other hand was a build-your-own man. Some > day I must find out if I actually _do_ know where he drinks or if my > informant was making it up. Yours, > Jon The Iron Horse in Amersham? --Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Oct 1 04:17:53 1999 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 01:17:53 PDT Subject: BOC: dem words dem words dem wild words heed the word of de cult... Message-ID: >From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision >Subject: BOC: dem words dem words dem wild words heed the >word of de cult... >And lyrics about the times in which they >were written were never a trademark of BOC. For me, those "Golden Days" >were most imp[reessive in that the lyrical content of the songs did >notdescribe anything we could think of as relating to everyday life (well, >the angst of Death Valley Nights or "In Thee's" nostalgia might be >exceptions). After all our world is not "redeemed by a country song", nor >full of silverfish imperatrixes(?), harvesters of eyes or diz-Busters. Hmmmm. A two-fold reply for this one I think. Firstly, a deal of the non-Immaginos portion of BOC's early work _was_ based in reality, allbeit a beautifully different perspective on it. For example Transmaniacon MC? Career of Evil? Don't Fear the Reaper? This Ain't the Summer of Love? The Came the Last Days of May? All real world stuff, just from the other person's point of view. And secondly, if my understanding of the term is right, my life is full of Diz-Busters, well one any way tho' she's not blonde. I thank you. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Oct 1 03:51:31 1999 From: age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Adrian Parr) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 08:51:31 +0100 Subject: HW and related gigs Message-ID: Hello folks Just found out that Hawkwind have a number of dates lined up for November. There's four confirmed with more to come. Also, Terry Ollis and Little Wing will be playing The Grey Horse in Kingston this Sunday afternoon about 3pm, and later that evening at The Wheatsheaf in Ealing. Hawkwind, Little Wing, along with the latest Bedouin, Lloyd Langton Group and Motorhead gig dates can be found at: http://www.conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk/hawkwind_gigs.html All the best Age Visit the "Hawkeye on Hawkwind" website at: http://www.conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk/index.html From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Oct 1 04:24:01 1999 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 01:24:01 PDT Subject: HW: 70's Synths Message-ID: >From: Andy Gilham >The Iron Horse in Amersham? Could this be where Lemmy got the idea for the Motorhead song of (almost) the same name? :?> ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Oct 1 05:30:46 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (rich-l) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:30:46 +0000 Subject: dem words dem words dem wild words heed the word of de cult... Message-ID: And a damned fine piss up it was too. This morning feel somewhat shakey, have headache, dry mouth, and am unshaven. Fantastic. Cheers, Rich. ---------- >From: Andy Gilham >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Subject: Re: dem words dem words dem wild words heed the word of de cult... >Date: Thu, Sep 30, 1999, 11:05 pm > > I may be able to respond better in the a.m., but I jjst got back from > pissing it up with Rich L... > > Anyway, the master of the incomprehensible-but-somehow-deeply-moving lyric > is Roger Roky Kynard Erickson, with such great stuff as "Sputnik your > theory/Alien I creator". And "I walked with a zombie - last night..." > > More in the a.m. > > > --Andy > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On >> Behalf Of Bolts of Ungodly Vision >> Sent: 30 September 1999 21:06 >> To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >> Subject: BOC: dem words dem words dem wild words heed the word of de >> cult... >> >> >> At 03:06 PM 9/30/99 EDT, Ted wrote: >> >Well, doesn't this speak volumes about BOC's songwriting doldrums? >> >The double whammy of SP and Al departing the band left a huge lyric >> >void that never was filled. Imagine going from great stuff like this >> >to 'Make Rock Not War' or 'Beat 'em Up!' >> >> Although, Beat em Up can be excused because it wasnt written "in house." >> We can sneer at BOC for a momentary lapse of reason in agreeing to set >> them to music. Aong those lines, the fact it took more than one person to >> write "Let Go" never ceases to scare/amaze me! heheh >> >> >Sure, occasional flashes of lyric inspiration [c.f. Harvest Moon] >> >bust through the murk, but damn!, SP's lyrics really had such a huge >> >impact on the mystery that swirled around BOC's first 3 great albums. >> >The music has always been uniformly great, but the lyrics never >> >seemed to recapture those early days... >> >> What struck me the most about the lyrics of Heaven Forbid is that >> they seem >> to be, besides not being as cool as "Cities on Flame," a try at >> being more >> contemporary with song content. And lyrics about the times in which they >> were written were never a trademark of BOC. For me, those "Golden Days" >> were most imp[reessive in that the lyrical content of the songs did not >> describe anything we could think of as relating to everyday life >> (well, the >> angst of Death Valley Nights or "In Thee's" nostalgia might be >> exceptions). After all our world is not "redeemed by a country song", nor >> full of silverfish imperatrixes(?), harvesters of eyes or >> diz-Busters. Add >> the boffo verbiage to the strange amalgam of styles that became >> the Music, >> a strangley marked O and an alien first LP cover -- what do ya got? >> Something diametrically opposed to "Whole Lotta Love" or "Problem Child" >> blues/rock. But then again the blues/rock did groudn itself in the fact >> the experiences they talk about could be done by human beings. BOC's try >> to be more topical (throw in "Real World," "see you in black") almost 30 >> years since it hit the streets with what we all know and love, just seems >> "alien" to the band we think they are. Not to mention the fact that John >> Shirley seems to a have a completely diffent view of what work lyrics >> perform in songs on the audient. >> >> By the way, if you order the 30th Anniversary court of the crimson king, >> make sure they actually send you that version of the CD :)(They >> sent me the >> old 'un) >> >> Gimme Nothing, >> Jason >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." >> -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Oct 1 05:39:40 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (rich-l) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:39:40 +0000 Subject: virus hoax Message-ID: *sigh* It's a hoax. Please, please, please - before posting this kind of nonsense, check out kumite.com/myths FIRST - the definitive word on virus hoaxes. Cheers, Rich. ---------- >From: DASLUD at AOL.COM >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Subject: (fwd) OFF: virus warning >Date: Fri, Oct 1, 1999, 5:46 am > > i've spared y'all the several inches worth of people to whom this was already > forwarded...note to BOC-L folk: adrian shaw was among the people who received > this. > =============== >> Dear All >> If you receive an Email called Budweiser please do not attempt to open it >>as it carries a virus. >>Please inform computer personnel who will advise you on any preventative >>action. >>Thanks >>Warning received from Microsoft of new Virus, >>You may receive an apparently harmless Budweiser screen saver, >>entitled BUDDYLST.SIP If you do - DO NOT OPEN IT >>UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, >>Once opened, you will lose EVERYTHING on your PC. >>Your hard disk will be completely destroyed and the person who sent you >>the message will have access to your name and password via the Internet. As >>far as we know the virus was circulated yesterday morning. It's a new > virus, >>and >>extremely dangerous. Please copy this information and email to everyone in >>your address book. We need to do all we can to block this virus. AOL, Demon >>and now BT Internet has confirmed how dangerous it is, and there is no >>Anti-Virus program as yet which is capable of destroying it. Please take > all >>necessary precautions, and pass this information on to your friends, >>acquaintances and work colleagues. >>----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- >> >> >> > > >> Dear All >> If you receive an Email called Budweiser please do not attempt to open it >>as it carries a virus. >>Please inform computer personnel who will advise you on any preventative >>action. >>Thanks >>Warning received from Microsoft of new Virus, >>You may receive an apparently harmless Budweiser screen saver, >>entitled BUDDYLST.SIP If you do - DO NOT OPEN IT >>UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, >>Once opened, you will lose EVERYTHING on your PC. >>Your hard disk will be completely destroyed and the person who sent you >>the message will have access to your name and password via the Internet. As >>far as we know the virus was circulated yesterday morning. It's a new > virus, >>and >>extremely dangerous. Please copy this information and email to everyone in >>your address book. We need to do all we can to block this virus. AOL, Demon >>and now BT Internet has confirmed how dangerous it is, and there is no >>Anti-Virus program as yet which is capable of destroying it. Please take > all >>necessary precautions, and pass this information on to your friends, >>acquaintances and work colleagues. >>----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- >> >> >> From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Oct 1 05:21:45 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 05:21:45 EDT Subject: virus hoax Message-ID: it came from a generally honorable source with a real long list of recipients incl arian shaw. what can i tell you. "<>" From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Oct 1 06:23:59 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (rich-l) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:23:59 +0000 Subject: virus hoax Message-ID: They usually do. At my last job (at an interactive media agency), the company chairman sent one round. :-( Cheers, Rich. ---------- >From: DASLUD at AOL.COM >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Subject: Re: virus hoax >Date: Fri, Oct 1, 1999, 9:21 am > > it came from a generally honorable source with a real long list of recipients > incl arian shaw. > what can i tell you. > > "<>" From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 1 07:12:26 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:12:26 +0100 Subject: HW TOTP2 video In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:46:59 -0400 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, Alasdair Macdonald wrote: > > => On account of having inadvertently included copyright images in avi > => file I posted to the web recently, I have this evening removed the file. > > I guess one of "the powers that be" took you aside for a quick word, > then? :-( > > Stupid bugger that I am, I did not download this during the brief time > it was up, and, being in the USA, had no chance to watch the actual > broadcast. Is there some kind soul that did download it that can avail > me of a copy (i.e., is willing temporarily to put it up for me to > download, or else be prepared to FTP it to me)? Reply to me directly, > for fear of attracting further the wrath of those that might object... Errr, ditto. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 1 07:13:31 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:13:31 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind reunion dates In-Reply-To: david hall's message of Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:28:26 +0100 Message-ID: david hall writes: [Hawkwind gigs with Special Guests..] > I would like to make the trip down and get to some of these. However, which > "special guests" are you talking about, and at which venues? Yes, this would be very useful information for those of us who'll have to travel from Scotland. FoFP From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Oct 1 07:55:38 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 07:55:38 EDT Subject: BOC: dem words dem words dem wild words heed the word of de In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990930160600.00693f80@mail1.wizvax.net> Message-ID: > From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision >> > Although, Beat em Up can be excused because it wasnt written "in house." > We can sneer at BOC for a momentary lapse of reason in agreeing to set > them to music. Aong those lines, the fact it took more than one person to > write "Let Go" never ceases to scare/amaze me! heheh > My point that with the departure of Al and SP, BOC felt forced to cast about elsewhere for lyrics, with disastrous results, I'm afraid... What struck me the most about the lyrics of Heaven Forbid is that they seem > to be, besides not being as cool as "Cities on Flame," a try at being more > contemporary with song content. And lyrics about the times in which they > were written were never a trademark of BOC. For me, those "Golden Days" > were most imp[reessive in that the lyrical content of the songs did not > describe anything we could think of as relating to everyday life (well, the > angst of Death Valley Nights or "In Thee's" nostalgia might be > exceptions). Have to disagree here. Lots of contmeporary [if twisted] references abound on the early stuff, c.f. Hot Rails, BtKaR, SttS,MotSS[QG] etc... After all our world is not "redeemed by a country song", nor > full of silverfish imperatrixes(?), harvesters of eyes or diz-Busters. Too bad! Add > the boffo verbiage to the strange amalgam of styles that became the Music, > a strangley marked O and an alien first LP cover -- what do ya got? > Something diametrically opposed to "Whole Lotta Love" or "Problem Child" > blues/rock. Thank Christ! Reminds me of an ancient article in Creem, where EB was asked about BOC's lyrics/songwriting. He said something like: '...It's an alternative to "I got da blues..."' theo From greatsunjester at YAHOO.COM Fri Oct 1 08:12:17 1999 From: greatsunjester at YAHOO.COM (Darnell Buffington) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 05:12:17 -0700 Subject: BOC: dem words dem words dem wild words heed the word of de cult... Message-ID: --- Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: For me, those "Golden Days" were most imp[reessive in that the lyrical content of the songs did not describe anything we could think of as relating to everyday life (well, the angst of Death Valley Nights or "In Thee's" nostalgia might be exceptions). <<<>>>> Jason, that's a great point. When BOC's lyrics start making sense without either a great imagination or hallucinogenics, its time to be scared. GSJ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri Oct 1 04:32:20 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 08:32:20 +0000 Subject: Imaginos/Half Life Time Message-ID: > 'Tis all too true... Though, I tell you what else is good, letting > John Shirley's lyrics slip aside for the moment (ergh), I have on phones > at this moment _Chemical Wedding_ by Bruce Dickinson, which the lamentably > departed Carl Anderson was quite right to attempt to persuade me was > comparable to _Imaginos_ in is grandeur and its lyrical virtuosity... Chemical Wedding is indeed a classic. Unbelievable stuff. Highly recommended (by me, anyway). -- Nick From micci at SCI.FI Fri Oct 1 10:31:50 1999 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 17:31:50 +0300 Subject: NIK:mother gong Message-ID: Hi! I just bought Mother Gong- Robot Women vinyl and there is mention that Nick Turner play in song call Machine Song, is this HW/Nik or somebody else? Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Oct 1 10:28:24 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:28:24 -0400 Subject: NIK:mother gong Message-ID: Mikki asked... >I just bought Mother Gong- Robot Women vinyl and there is mention that Nick >Turner play in song call Machine Song, is this HW/Nik or somebody else? I don't know about Nik, but I remember that Steve Hillage plays a really awesome guitar solo on this track, that unfortunately is hidden way down in the mix below all the weirdness going on above, i.e. the Robot Woman herself. I've had this LP for years, is it rare? Keith H. (FAA) From sprawl at BBOARD.COM Fri Oct 1 11:47:20 1999 From: sprawl at BBOARD.COM (Sprawl) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 11:47:20 -0400 Subject: NIK:mother gong Message-ID: I don't remember that... (I no longer possess this album,) but there is a Robert Calvert on the album. It is NOT HW's Calvert, tho'. -----Original Message----- From: Miikka Wagner To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Friday, October 01, 1999 11:35 AM Subject: NIK:mother gong >Hi! > >I just bought Mother Gong- Robot Women vinyl and there is mention that Nick >Turner play in song call Machine Song, is this HW/Nik or somebody else? > >Miikka Wagner >email: micci at sci.fi >http://www.sci.fi/~micci From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Fri Oct 1 12:17:59 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Zeitgeist) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 17:17:59 +0100 Subject: HW Reunion / OFF: Deep Purple - Royal Albert Hall Message-ID: Well deep-purple.com may be gushing, but it is the 'official' site. I refrained from posting a review on my return because I found the whole thing extremely tedious. Steve Morse & band played a couple of numbers, Ronnie James Dio sang 2 songs from the loathsome "Butterfly Ball", Ian Paice did a jazz set, Gillan got to wear a stupid gold lame suit, and yes, after a brief Purple set, the ensemble reconvened for "Smoke.." Imagine my disgust when I got home to find HW had finally got off their arses to do some shows, but of course I'd used up the holiday time and spare cash I was saving for the reunion shows to see Purple. HW - you really ought to have more consideration. Some of us have jobs and commitments which we can't fuck about with at short notice. Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground - e-zine and freezine http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com alternate url: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van Vliet From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Oct 1 17:46:13 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 22:46:13 +0100 Subject: NIK:mother gong Message-ID: The track you refer to I think was originally the b-side of Nuclear Waste by the Radioactors (may be now is the time to release it in Japan). I've got the single and the Mother Gong L.P. but haven't listened to them for a while. The LP can still be found. The single featuring Steve Hillage, Nik Turner, Harry Williamson and Sting on vocals was deleted but is still available from Jonny at GAS, you can reach that site through Age's site. ICU covered Nuclear Waste on Pass Out. If you can get your hands on the first Mother Gong LP "Fairy Tales" then do; Nik is on that....come to think of it I think it is now out on CD, GAS will have it. The other Bob/Rob Calvert features on a lot of the Mother Gong stuff. Dave Hall -----Original Message----- From: Keith Henderson To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 01 October 1999 16:46 Subject: Re: NIK:mother gong >Mikki asked... > >>I just bought Mother Gong- Robot Women vinyl and there is mention that Nick >>Turner play in song call Machine Song, is this HW/Nik or somebody else? > >I don't know about Nik, but I remember that Steve Hillage plays a really >awesome guitar solo on this track, that unfortunately is hidden way down in >the mix below all the weirdness going on above, i.e. the Robot Woman herself. > >I've had this LP for years, is it rare? > >Keith H. (FAA) > From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Oct 1 17:53:41 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 22:53:41 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind reunion dates Message-ID: Mike, If there are enough of us in Glasgow and Edinburgh, they might come to us! Dave -----Original Message----- From: M Holmes To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 01 October 1999 12:16 Subject: Re: Hawkwind reunion dates >david hall writes: > >[Hawkwind gigs with Special Guests..] > >> I would like to make the trip down and get to some of these. However, which >> "special guests" are you talking about, and at which venues? > >Yes, this would be very useful information for those of us who'll have >to travel from Scotland. > >FoFP > From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Fri Oct 1 21:44:12 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 21:44:12 -0400 Subject: HW Reunion / OFF: Deep Purple - Royal Albert Hall In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19991001171759.00693bcc@pop3.connectfree.co.uk> Message-ID: At 05:17 PM 10/1/99 +0100, you wrote: >Well deep-purple.com may be gushing, but it is the 'official' site. I >refrained from posting a review on my return because I found the whole >thing extremely tedious. Steve Morse & band played a couple of numbers, >Ronnie James Dio sang 2 songs from the loathsome "Butterfly Ball", Ian >Paice did a jazz set, Gillan got to wear a stupid gold lame suit, and yes, >after a brief Purple set, the ensemble reconvened for "Smoke.." A Gold lame suit?? I'd sue for ticket and travel and emotional damage. Needless to have dio there.. DP should still be able to hold their now without pointless guests or bad gimmicks. What a shame. Itching for that musick that is NEW (and Bevis Frond 10/19), Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Sat Oct 2 02:49:25 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 15:49:25 +0900 Subject: OFF:DARK STAR Message-ID: Hi All, I just saw a couple of CDs by Dark Star. The album, I think, is called 20-20 Sound or something similar and there was an EP from the album. There was no indication of musicians, other than Steve Lillywhite produced. So, does anyone know which Dark Star this is and if it's worth getting? Thanks Dave From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Oct 2 04:50:57 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 04:50:57 EDT Subject: (fwd) OFF: virus warning Message-ID: sorry gang... apparently this is a familiar bunch of shite my bad larry From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Oct 2 05:01:35 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 05:01:35 EDT Subject: HW: 70's Synths Message-ID: from dr. synth! ======================= in the 70s, Del used both VCS-3 and AKS, which he uses to this day! Brock also used an AKS for Guitar Effects;DikMik started out with an audio test generator into an Echo unit, and got a synthesizer in '72 after the sucess of Silver Machine...at some point('73) the band had both its Synths smashed while on a German tour, and used Stockhausen Records for Electronic Effects! Simon House used an AKS, plus MiniMoog, Yamaha YC-45 D organ, and Mellotron! Brock then switched to using Korg/Roland gear in the '80s...Tim Blake was the last regular HW synthesist to use all analog gear untill Brock brought his AKS back out in 1995! Dr. Synth From jgoran at TELEBOT.COM Sat Oct 2 06:45:58 1999 From: jgoran at TELEBOT.COM (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 11:45:58 +0100 Subject: Imaginos/Half Life Time In-Reply-To: <7c95d7f9.252593fc@aol.com> Message-ID: Steven Tice wrote in <7c95d7f9.252593fc at aol.com>: >Ooh, I love William Blake! Who is this Dickinson fellow, anyway? What >style(s) of music does he perform? Ex Iron Maiden singer. I don't know much about his solo works, but compared to BOC aura, Iron Maiden's is just for kiddies entering the world of HM. Like cheap horror comics compared to Lovecraft's world. -- Goran From jgoran at TELEBOT.COM Sat Oct 2 06:46:01 1999 From: jgoran at TELEBOT.COM (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 11:46:01 +0100 Subject: BOC: Sandy Pearlman's pic Message-ID: I'm just curious how Sandy Pearlman looks, but I can't find his pic somewhere on the Net. There isn't one at Goodnoise, although if there were any, I would like to be from the golden age of BOC. The same applies to Meltzer. So, any URL known? -- Goran From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Sat Oct 2 08:34:48 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 08:34:48 -0400 Subject: BOC: Sandy Pearlman's pic In-Reply-To: <=9=1N17iLjnVAWOvt15DT8eYATFT@4ax.com> Message-ID: At 11:46 AM 10/2/99 +0100, you wrote: >I'm just curious how Sandy Pearlman looks, but I can't find his pic >somewhere on the Net. There isn't one at Goodnoise, although if there >were any, I would like to be from the golden age of BOC. The same >applies to Meltzer. > >So, any URL known? Way back when Addicted to Noise was starting up, they did a big feature interview with Meltzer. I'm fairly certain a recent picture can be found there. Not sure of the specific URL, but a quicklook at the feature archive at www.addict.com should get you where you want to go. Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I'm in a FOUL mood today. Stay outa my way or I'll CRITIQUE YOUR ASS to hell. Just ME, just YOU...a decent song. You wanna see THEM, see THEM. I don't give a ****." - Richard Meltzer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From micci at SCI.FI Sat Oct 2 09:01:15 1999 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 16:01:15 +0300 Subject: NIK:mother gong Message-ID: Hi! >I don't know about Nik, but I remember that Steve Hillage plays a really >awesome guitar solo on this track, that unfortunately is hidden way down in >the mix below all the weirdness going on above, i.e. the Robot Woman herself. Yeah, he?s name had wrotens S. Hillier! Thats why I think that Nik is there and flute sound just like him! >I've had this LP for years, is it rare? Well, I pay about 15 pound, but I had never see it before. Actually I also bought robot women 2 too, both almost mint condition with inserts. >Keith H. (FAA) > Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Oct 2 10:29:38 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 10:29:38 EDT Subject: dem words dem words dem wild words heed the word of de cult... Message-ID: In a message dated 10/1/99 4:41:51 AM, rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM writes: << Anyway, the master of the incomprehensible-but-somehow-deeply-moving lyric > is Roger Roky Kynard Erickson, with such great stuff as "Sputnik your > theory/Alien I creator". And "I walked with a zombie - last night..." > >> ============= not to mention "i've been working at the kremlin with a two-headed dog..." ^_~ "<>" From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Oct 2 13:35:44 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 18:35:44 +0100 Subject: HW: 70's Synths In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Oct 1999, Andy Gilham wrote: > > I believe Dik Mik on the other hand was a build-your-own man. Some > > day I must find out if I actually _do_ know where he drinks or if my > > informant was making it up. Yours, > > The Iron Horse in Amersham? You've been talking to Ken too haven't you... Yours, Jon From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sat Oct 2 15:31:32 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 15:31:32 -0400 Subject: Imaginos/Half Life Time In-Reply-To: <++D1N3ffDzDXQSBeegSdGiXWMECX@4ax.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 2 Oct 1999, Goran Janicijevic wrote: => I don't know much about his solo works, but compared to BOC aura, Iron => Maiden's is just for kiddies entering the world of HM. Like cheap => horror comics compared to Lovecraft's world. Classic-era Maiden is one of those guilty pleasures nobody should pass up. And hey, anyone who can work Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Frank Herbert, Heinlein, and _The Prisoner_ into their songs can't be ALL bad... ;-) Cheers, Paul. NP: Karma to Burn, _Wild, Wonderful Purgatory_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I don't live today; maybe tomorrow..." --- James Marshall Hendrix From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Oct 2 20:43:06 1999 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 01:43:06 +0100 Subject: HW: the never ending search Message-ID: I've been doing an endless (and increasingly fruitless) search for the Travellers Aid Trust CD and sorry everyone who asked me for this - I'm very much afraid this is not going to turn up in a hurry. I've looked everywhere I can usually find stuff but not much is around these days. However I did find Inner City Unit's "Blood and Bone" vinyl which is some small compensation I s'pose. semi-sigh jill -- ====================================================================== Jill Strobridge or J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk ====================================================================== From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Sun Oct 3 00:38:38 1999 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 00:38:38 EDT Subject: BOC: dem words dem words dem wild words heed the word of de Message-ID: Theo writes: > Reminds me of an ancient article in Creem, where EB was asked about BOC's lyrics/songwriting. He said something like: '...It's an alternative to "I got da blues..."' Actually it was Allen Lanier. And it was "de" blues :-) From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sun Oct 3 03:34:00 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 03:34:00 -0400 Subject: OFF: Godspeed You Black Emperor! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, Andy Gilham wrote: => > I discovered that Godspeed You Black Emperor! are playing this Saturday => > at The Wherehouse in Winston-Salem, NC, which is "only" a little over 2 => > hours drive away from me. => > => > Are they worth seeing? => => Well, yes... Um... I guess I was expecting a little more than that, like whether they were worth driving 2+ hours each way to go and see. But, in the end, I found out for myself that... they are. I just got back from seeing them at Winston-Salem, NC. Despite some technical difficulties, it was a great show. I'd never heard any of their stuff at all before, so I didn't know what to expect. But what I heard I really liked. It is haunting, engrossing music; full of dynamics and changing moods... Go see 'em whilst you can (because I reckon they're all going to die of lung cancer before long...;) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I don't live today; maybe tomorrow..." --- James Marshall Hendrix From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Oct 3 04:30:56 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 09:30:56 +0100 Subject: OFF: Godspeed You Black Emperor! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > => > > => > Are they worth seeing? > => > => Well, yes... > > Um... I guess I was expecting a little more than that, like whether > they were worth driving 2+ hours each way to go and see. Well, because I've been banging on about them for months now, I figured you knew my answer in advance! :) Glad you enjoyed them! Now I suppose I'll have to go and see Government Mule if they make it across the pond :)) --Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Sun Oct 3 09:31:09 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 09:31:09 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: "status report, Mr. Sulu?" Message-ID: Does anyone out there in AOL land (or all other relevant parties) have info on how far along PoW is to being in mailboxes far and wide? Jonesin' ears need to know, Jason NP (in my head): Just got MC 5's _'66 Breakout!_ on vinyl for a good price... a shame I dont have a turntable here. (sigh) Although, the strange "upright and respecable" pics of the band (Tyner's in glasses and a puddingbowl hairdo!) do provide a good deal of flabbergastedness. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From dhira.lalita at VIRGIN.NET Sun Oct 3 13:32:17 1999 From: dhira.lalita at VIRGIN.NET (Dhira Lalita) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:32:17 +0100 Subject: HW: 70's Synths Message-ID: Ken told me the same thing. Is it true then? ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Jarrett To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Saturday, October 02, 1999 6:35 PM Subject: Re: HW: 70's Synths On Fri, 1 Oct 1999, Andy Gilham wrote: > > I believe Dik Mik on the other hand was a build-your-own man. Some > > day I must find out if I actually _do_ know where he drinks or if my > > informant was making it up. Yours, > > The Iron Horse in Amersham? You've been talking to Ken too haven't you... Yours, Jon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Sun Oct 3 16:01:05 1999 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 21:01:05 +0100 Subject: HW: Wavendon Gig Message-ID: Hi, tickets are now on sale for the Hawkwind gig on Wed 11th November at Wavendon Stables in Milton Keynes. The price is ?19.50 for unseated tickets, which while sounds like it might include the controversial 'Lemmy tax' is about about the going rate for the Stables, which is more famous as a jazz venue (its owned by Cleo Lane and Johnny Dankworth) although quite a few 'older' rock bands do seem to play there(Mick Abraham's recent Tull tribute tour, Wishbone Ash, amongst others). I've not been there but it has a very good reputation although rather small I believe (3-400?). Its slogan is 'get initmate with the stars'. Nick From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sun Oct 3 15:57:05 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:57:05 -0400 Subject: OFF:DARK STAR Message-ID: Dave G. asked... >I just saw a couple of CDs by Dark Star. The album, I think, is called >20-20 Sound or something similar and there was an EP from the album. >There was no indication of musicians, other than Steve Lillywhite >produced. So, does anyone know which Dark Star this is and if it's >worth getting? 'Reprinted' from Aural Innovations #6... dark star (London, UK) CD-EP Gracedelica 1998 EMI UK CDEM-523 CD-EP I Am The Sun 1999 EMI UK CDEM-534 CD Twenty-Twenty Sound 1999 EMI UK 497 2012 Christian Hayes - Voice and Guitar, Laurence O'Keefe - Bass and Voice, David Francolini - Drums dark star, P.O. Box 21, London W10 6BR England U.K. The newest Dark Star, this British trio was derived from members left over from the band Levitation upon Terry Bickers' split to form his own band Cradle. I managed to track down their second CD-EP, the four-song "I Am the Sun," and while it doesn't quite live up to my expectations based on my fondness for Levitation's "Coterie," I do see significant merit to this music. Two versions of the high-octane rocker "I Am The Sun" are offered, including the dreaded remix. But, lo and behold, the remix version is actually the better of the two! (That's a first.) The lyrics seem a tad inane, though - for instance, "Joan of Arc was cool, but she got burned. Like I'm burning out for you, I'm centrifugal." Hayes voice is perfectly suited to this material such that they really aren't undermanned as a trio. Next, "Living Under the Ground" is a subtle, shimmery piece that only Porcupine Tree do better. To wrap up our short look at these 'newcomers,' "Semaphore" is straight from the Levitation playbook - sweet, soft, and supple harmonic tones from both bass and guitar, a touch of glissando and various sampled vocals. The full-length album "Twenty Twenty Sound" should be available soon, and I hope to find more goodies then. Keith H. (FAA) From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Sun Oct 3 19:50:02 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 08:50:02 +0900 Subject: OFF:DARK STAR Message-ID: > > > The newest Dark Star, this British trio was derived from members left over > from the band Levitation upon ....... Thanks for that Keith. I bought the EP and I have to agree word for word with the review. Remixed "I am the Sun" was _way_ better than the original. And "Semaphore" is lovely. Dilemma of the week, which is more representative of the album... Answer, depends how much cash is still in my pocket by Saturday. Cheers Dave From iscladoc at IDIR.NET Sun Oct 3 23:10:20 1999 From: iscladoc at IDIR.NET (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 22:10:20 -0500 Subject: hw: sonic boom killers: best of singles a's and b's: '70 to '80 Message-ID: I ran across this collection today, unexpected, at a sleazy record store. Is this worth getting if you have the remasters as well as _Stasis: the UA Years_? The CD appears on the Repertoire label, is (c) 1998. It's full title is _Hawkwind: Sonic Boom Killers: Best of Singles A's and B's 1970 to 1980_. Here're the contents, as I scribed them down today (I didn't write down the songs in order of appearance: I grabbed them in order, then added the B sides as they came up on the tracklist: ie', if i list a b-sdie, it appears on the CD, though likely later in the track order than the original). Sorry, but I had only a 3x5" piece of paper...: === - silver machine/a side 1972 4.38 #UP 35381 b/w seven by seven (5.20) - urban guerilla/a side 1973 3.41 #up 35566 b/w brainbox pollution (5.40) - hurry on sundown/a side 1970 4.55 #ubf 15382 - kings of speed/a side 1975 3.31 #up35808 b/w motorhead (3.03) - lord of light/a side 1973 3.57 #ua 35492 b/w born to go (5.03) - you better believe it/a side 3.21 #ua 35689 b/w paradox (4.00) - psychedelic warlords/a side 3.53 1974 #ua (?) 35689 - who's gonna win the war/a side 3.43 1980 #bro109 - it's so easy/b side 5.18 1974 #up 35715 - quark strangeness and charm/a side 3.05 1977 #cb 305 b/w forge of vulcan (3.05) - shot down in the night/a side 4.13 1980 b/w urban guerilla (live) (5.39) I checked the Codex @ http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/files/codex.txt and found no mention of this compilation, but was unable to check the ftp://ftp.spc.edu/boc-l codex version: has it moved? Just contributing to the common HW Lore :-) Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Visit the Dreaming City iscladoc at idir.net http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr If you want to view paradise / simply look around and view it Anything you want to, do it / Want to change the world there's nothing to it . . . . -- "Pure Imagination" from _Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory_ From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Mon Oct 4 08:28:59 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 08:28:59 -0400 Subject: BOC: Lyric discussions Message-ID: > => I don't know much about his solo works, but compared to BOC aura, Iron > => Maiden's is just for kiddies entering the world of HM. Like cheap > => horror comics compared to Lovecraft's world. > > Classic-era Maiden is one of those guilty pleasures nobody should pass > up. And hey, anyone who can work Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Frank > Herbert, Heinlein, and _The Prisoner_ into their songs can't be ALL > bad... ;-) ABSOLUTELY!! Iron Maiden is not exactly in the same class lyrically as BOC (and of course, there aren't many who are), but I wouldn't exactly say they are "just for kiddies entering the world of HM". Their influence on metal in the 80s is probably just as significant as BOC's. And, as pointed out above, they actually have a pretty good range of subject matter, much of it taken from some great literature. Don't let the rotting corpse that is their mascot fool you into thinking otherwise. > > Reminds me of an ancient article in Creem, where EB was asked about BOC's > lyrics/songwriting. He said something like: '...It's an alternative to "I > got da blues..."' > > Actually it was Allen Lanier. And it was "de" blues :-) > Eric was also quoted once as saying something to the effect of "I can't sing songs like, 'yeah baby, the juice is running down my leg'" -- that's not a direct quote, but I do recall that he didn't quote the Led Zepplin line ("squeeze my lemon 'til the juice runs down my leg") exactly either. John From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Oct 4 08:33:09 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 08:33:09 EDT Subject: BOC: Lyric discussions Message-ID: In a message dated 10/4/99 8:28:32 AM, jswartz at MITRE.ORG writes: << I do recall that he didn't quote the Led Zeppelin line ("squeeze my lemon 'til the juice runs down my leg") exactly either. >> ============ well, a 'led zeppelin line' via whoever first uttered it decades previous... whatever old record they nicked it from... "<>" From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Mon Oct 4 09:23:33 1999 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (Michael R Godwin) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:23:33 +0100 Subject: BOC: Lyric discussions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > << I do recall that he didn't quote the Led > Zeppelin line ("squeeze my lemon 'til the juice runs down my leg") > exactly either. >> > ============ On Mon, 4 Oct 1999 DASLUD at aol.com wrote: > well, a 'led zeppelin line' via whoever first uttered it decades previous... > whatever old record they nicked it from... Definitely Robert Johnson, possibly 'Travelling Riverside Blues' - Mike Godwin From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Oct 4 09:32:33 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 09:32:33 EDT Subject: BOC: Lyric discussions In-Reply-To: <37F89D88.1DF1EDD1@mitre.org> Message-ID: > From: "John A. Swartz" > > => I don't know much about his solo works, but compared to BOC aura, Iron > > => Maiden's is just for kiddies entering the world of HM. Like cheap > > => horror comics compared to Lovecraft's world. > > > > Classic-era Maiden is one of those guilty pleasures nobody should pass > > up. And hey, anyone who can work Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Frank > > Herbert, Heinlein, and _The Prisoner_ into their songs can't be ALL > > bad... ;-) > > > ABSOLUTELY!! Iron Maiden is not exactly in the same class lyrically as > BOC (and of course, there aren't many who are), but I wouldn't exactly > say they are "just for kiddies entering the world of HM". I'd say, then, 'just for kiddies of all ages.' IM remind me of another pet rock of mine, Rush. Just because they happen to quote a couple of lofty literary sources doesn't make them intellectuals! I can write an essay full of literary quotes, but it doesn't make me Harold Bloom... Their > influence on metal in the 80s is probably just as significant as BOC's. I'd say probably more so, and KISS even more than that. Point being what? Read a bunch of interviews with guitarists from the 60s and early 70s, and a lot of them will tell you that seeing Elvis on TV made them take up the guitar... > > > > Reminds me of an ancient article in Creem, where EB was asked about BOC's > > lyrics/songwriting. He said something like: '...It's an alternative to "I > > got da blues..."' > > Actually it was Allen Lanier. And it was "de" blues :-) Wow! I'm impressed. You sure it was AL? Back in those days he was almost never quoted. You wouldn't by chance know which issue it was? I've got a huge stack of old Creems up in storage, and was thinking of going through them this winter... theo From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Mon Oct 4 11:49:35 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Zeitgeist) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:49:35 +0100 Subject: hw: sonic boom killers: best of singles a's and b's: '70 to '80 Message-ID: You can find the full track listing and the cover art at www.zeitgeist-scot.com. It's a nice package if you don't already have everything and Chris Welch wrote the liner note. Some nice pics as well. Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground - e-zine and freezine http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com alternate url: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van Vliet From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Oct 4 13:07:57 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 18:07:57 +0100 Subject: BBC Lyrics vote Message-ID: The BBC web site has a vote on the best song lyric. I wondered if we ought to decide on a line from one of Calvert's pieces and then go vote 'im into the chart? Maybe the first verse of Spirit of the Age? FoFP From vince-l at EROLS.COM Mon Oct 4 13:34:30 1999 From: vince-l at EROLS.COM (Vince LeGrand) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:34:30 -0400 Subject: OFF: Slang question Message-ID: I know this is off-topic, but in the past this list has had threads on various slang expressions. A co-worker received a note from a someone in the UK which included the following sentences: >A couple of documents I mentioned during our telephone conversation. >Apologies if you already have them and I'm teaching me grandmother to suck >eggs. > My co-worker (and I) aren't familiar with the phrase "teaching me grandmother to suck eggs." Is this a UK expression? Any help would be appreciated. From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Mon Oct 4 13:47:20 1999 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 18:47:20 +0100 Subject: OFF: Slang question Message-ID: Don't know if it's purely UK but it means teaching someone to do something that they've known how to do for ages. Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: Vince LeGrand To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Monday, October 04, 1999 6:34 PM Subject: OFF: Slang question > I know this is off-topic, but in the past this list has had threads on > various slang expressions. A co-worker received a note from a someone in > the UK which included the following sentences: > > >A couple of documents I mentioned during our telephone conversation. > >Apologies if you already have them and I'm teaching me grandmother to suck > >eggs. > > > My co-worker (and I) aren't familiar with the phrase "teaching me > grandmother to suck eggs." Is this a UK expression? > > Any help would be appreciated. From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Mon Oct 4 13:47:35 1999 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 18:47:35 +0100 Subject: BBC Lyrics vote Message-ID: Count me in! Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Monday, October 04, 1999 6:07 PM Subject: BBC Lyrics vote > The BBC web site has a vote on the best song lyric. I wondered if we > ought to decide on a line from one of Calvert's pieces and then go vote > 'im into the chart? > > Maybe the first verse of Spirit of the Age? > > FoFP > From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Oct 4 13:44:45 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 13:44:45 EDT Subject: OFF: Slang question Message-ID: In a message dated 10/4/99 1:35:36 PM, vince-l at EROLS.COM writes: << > My co-worker (and I) aren't familiar with the phrase "teaching me grandmother to suck eggs." Is this a UK expression? Any help would be appreciated. >> ====== by way of 'helping'...heh... i associate egg-sucking, to the extent i ever need to associate such things, with dogs. on a farm, or some place where you have laying hens, ya gotta keep the dogs away. the way i heard it, once a dog got a taste of them thar egg innards, he'd be plumb hooked. such dogs risked execution for this offense. clearly this lent itself to that timeless old country song "dirty old egg-sucking dog" "<>" From jgoran at TELEBOT.COM Mon Oct 4 15:02:38 1999 From: jgoran at TELEBOT.COM (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:02:38 +0100 Subject: BOC: Lyric discussions In-Reply-To: <37F89D88.1DF1EDD1@mitre.org> Message-ID: John A. Swartz wrote in <37F89D88.1DF1EDD1 at mitre.org>: >ABSOLUTELY!! Iron Maiden is not exactly in the same class lyrically as >BOC (and of course, there aren't many who are), but I wouldn't exactly >say they are "just for kiddies entering the world of HM". Their It happen to be in the early eighties, I used to compare 'Cultosaurus' with the IM actual 'Killers'. Light years of quality between these two bands. A single note on Lips In The Hills beats the whole opus of IM, and says more than they ever could. >influence on metal in the 80s is probably just as significant as BOC's. >And, as pointed out above, they actually have a pretty good range of >subject matter, much of it taken from some great literature. Don't let >the rotting corpse that is their mascot fool you into thinking otherwise. It was named Freddie, I recall. -- Goran From jgoran at TELEBOT.COM Mon Oct 4 15:02:41 1999 From: jgoran at TELEBOT.COM (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:02:41 +0100 Subject: BOC: Sandy Pearlman's pic In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19991002083448.0068f148@mail1.wizvax.net> Message-ID: Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote in <3.0.3.32.19991002083448.0068f148 at mail1.wizvax.net>: >Way back when Addicted to Noise was starting up, they did a big feature >interview with Meltzer. I'm fairly certain a recent picture can be found >there. Thanks! It is http://www.addict.com/issues/1.12/Features/Meltzer/ interview from 12/95. Partially interesting, partially dull interview. BOC are mentioned only by the author in the intro, as the band where RM wrote some lyrics to. RM doesn't mention BOC at all in his reminiscences. -- Goran From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Mon Oct 4 14:15:22 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:15:22 -0400 Subject: Slang question Message-ID: I have no idea what it means, but the line was spoken in the Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy song on 'Ren and Stimpy' > -----Original Message----- > From: Vince LeGrand [SMTP:vince-l at EROLS.COM] > Sent: Monday, October 04, 1999 1:35 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: OFF: Slang question > > I know this is off-topic, but in the past this list has had threads on > various slang expressions. A co-worker received a note from a someone in > the UK which included the following sentences: > > >A couple of documents I mentioned during our telephone conversation. > >Apologies if you already have them and I'm teaching me grandmother to > suck > >eggs. > > > My co-worker (and I) aren't familiar with the phrase "teaching me > grandmother to suck eggs." Is this a UK expression? > > Any help would be appreciated. From age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Oct 4 05:17:35 1999 From: age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Adrian Parr) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 10:17:35 +0100 Subject: HW at Wavendon. How much? Message-ID: Nick Lee wrote: Hi, tickets are now on sale for the Hawkwind gig on Wed 11th November at Wavendon Stables in Milton Keynes. The price is ?19.50 for unseated tickets. ?19.50, are you joking? Age Visit the "Hawkeye on Hawkwind" website at: http://www.conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk/index.html From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Oct 4 15:07:59 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 15:07:59 -0400 Subject: BOC: Lyric discussions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Oct 1999, Goran Janicijevic wrote: => It happen to be in the early eighties, I used to compare 'Cultosaurus' => with the IM actual 'Killers'. Light years of quality between these two => bands. A single note on Lips In The Hills beats the whole opus of IM, => and says more than they ever could. I thought I'd read a lot of BOC hagiography on here until now, but this takes the biscuit! Still, it made me chuckle, so thank you for your post. => >influence on metal in the 80s is probably just as significant as BOC's. => >And, as pointed out above, they actually have a pretty good range of => >subject matter, much of it taken from some great literature. Don't let => >the rotting corpse that is their mascot fool you into thinking otherwise. => => It was named Freddie, I recall. Actually, "Eddie," but you're near enough... Cheers, Paul (who prefers "The Marshall Plan" to "Lips in the Hills" anyway...;) NP: Iron Maiden, _Live After Death_ >:-) e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I don't live today; maybe tomorrow..." --- James Marshall Hendrix From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Oct 4 15:34:02 1999 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:34:02 +0100 Subject: BBC Lyrics vote Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > > The BBC web site has a vote on the best song lyric. I wondered if we > ought to decide on a line from one of Calvert's pieces and then go vote > 'im into the chart? > > Maybe the first verse of Spirit of the Age? > > FoFP Hmmm. Time is a bit short - final votes have to be in by 6pm on October 6th (Wednesday). Here's the website address http://www.bbc.co.uk/education/poetry/npd_vote.shtml My own preference is for Ten Seconds of Forever or First Landing on Medusa but both these are spoken pieces and I guess they are looking for a sung lyric. In that case Spirit of the Age probably would be best, it's certainly contemporary enough but how much of Quark Strangeness and Charm is Calvert and how much Brock? Or Kerb Crawler? Or Steppenwolf? Perhaps we should each vote our preference to focus on the writer rather than a particular song. jill (amused to see where the BBC have put the apostrophe in Nation's - although it might be intentional I guess if they are taking devolution seriously!) -- ====================================================================== Jill Strobridge or J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk ====================================================================== From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Mon Oct 4 15:23:50 1999 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:23:50 +0100 Subject: BBC Lyrics vote Message-ID: Yeah - someone ought to teach them how to write 'BBC English' :-) My vote's just gone in for the first 3 lines of SotA. Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: Jill To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Monday, October 04, 1999 8:34 PM Subject: Re: BBC Lyrics vote > M Holmes wrote: > > > > The BBC web site has a vote on the best song lyric. I wondered if we > > ought to decide on a line from one of Calvert's pieces and then go vote > > 'im into the chart? > > > > Maybe the first verse of Spirit of the Age? > > > > FoFP > > Hmmm. Time is a bit short - final votes have to be in by 6pm on October > 6th (Wednesday). Here's the website address > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/education/poetry/npd_vote.shtml > > My own preference is for Ten Seconds of Forever or First Landing on > Medusa but both these are spoken pieces and I guess they are looking for > a sung lyric. > > In that case Spirit of the Age probably would be best, it's certainly > contemporary enough but how much of Quark Strangeness and Charm is > Calvert and how much Brock? Or Kerb Crawler? Or Steppenwolf? > > Perhaps we should each vote our preference to focus on the writer rather > than a particular song. > > jill (amused to see where the BBC have put the apostrophe in Nation's - > although it might be intentional I guess if they are taking devolution > seriously!) > > > > > > -- > ====================================================================== > Jill Strobridge or > J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk > ====================================================================== From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Oct 4 16:35:41 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:35:41 +0100 Subject: BBC Lyrics vote In-Reply-To: <37F9012A.804A697D@theta-orionis.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: I just voted for "Oh shit - here comes the monolith" from Mick Farren's "Memphis Psychosis." Futile-gestures-R-us... I think "Imagine" is the bookies' favourite. > jill (amused to see where the BBC have put the apostrophe in Nation's - > although it might be intentional I guess if they are taking devolution > seriously!) Hey, it's going to be the "former United Kingdom" before long... --Andy ObCD: _Roxy Music_ mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Mon Oct 4 16:53:01 1999 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:53:01 +0100 Subject: HW at Wavendon. How much? Message-ID: Age replied: ?19.50, are you joking? Age 'fraid not. The Stable is an expensive venue. Even comedy acts which normally go out for ?5-?6 pounds usually seem to charge around ?12 there. Nick From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Oct 4 17:55:32 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 17:55:32 -0400 Subject: BBC Lyrics vote In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Oct 1999, Andy Gilham wrote: => > jill (amused to see where the BBC have put the apostrophe in Nation's - => > although it might be intentional I guess if they are taking devolution => > seriously!) => => Hey, it's going to be the "former United Kingdom" before long... Perhaps they can adopt a weird symbol and go by "the nation formerly known as the United Kingdom?" ;-) Cheers, Paul. NP: Godspeed You Black Emperor!, _Slow Riot for New Zero Kanada_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I don't live today; maybe tomorrow..." --- James Marshall Hendrix From jgoran at TELEBOT.COM Mon Oct 4 20:33:33 1999 From: jgoran at TELEBOT.COM (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:33:33 +0100 Subject: BOC: Lyric discussions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Paul Mather wrote in : >I thought I'd read a lot of BOC hagiography on here until now, but >this takes the biscuit! Well, we're talking here about a sort of Cult, aren't we? ;-) Anyway, I don't like, hate or cherish whatever feelings toward Iron Maiden. They're just too naive for my taste in their pretenciousness, so I ignore them. >Still, it made me chuckle, so thank you for your post. Another one follows.... >Actually, "Eddie," but you're near enough... ....here: The dot of the Kronos is scarier than any of the Eddie's incarnations. ;-) >Paul (who prefers "The Marshall Plan" to "Lips in the Hills" anyway...;) No one's perfect. ;-) >NP: Iron Maiden, _Live After Death_ >:-) I prefer the Ian Hunter's treatment of the same subject. :-) -- Goran From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Mon Oct 4 20:14:36 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:14:36 +0900 Subject: BBC Lyrics vote Message-ID: Hey, maybe this is pre-ordained, have you noticed the distinctly avian look of the back ground .gif on the vote accepted page? Dave Jill wrote: > M Holmes wrote: > > > > The BBC web site has a vote on the best song lyric. I wondered if we > > ought to decide on a line from one of Calvert's pieces and then go vote > > 'im into the chart? > > > > Maybe the first verse of Spirit of the Age? > > > > FoFP > > Hmmm. Time is a bit short - final votes have to be in by 6pm on October > 6th (Wednesday). Here's the website address > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/education/poetry/npd_vote.shtml > > My own preference is for Ten Seconds of Forever or First Landing on > Medusa but both these are spoken pieces and I guess they are looking for > a sung lyric. > > In that case Spirit of the Age probably would be best, it's certainly > contemporary enough but how much of Quark Strangeness and Charm is > Calvert and how much Brock? Or Kerb Crawler? Or Steppenwolf? > > Perhaps we should each vote our preference to focus on the writer rather > than a particular song. > > jill (amused to see where the BBC have put the apostrophe in Nation's - > although it might be intentional I guess if they are taking devolution > seriously!) > > -- > ====================================================================== > Jill Strobridge or > J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk > ====================================================================== From iscladoc at IDIR.NET Mon Oct 4 21:40:40 1999 From: iscladoc at IDIR.NET (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:40:40 -0500 Subject: HW: the never ending search In-Reply-To: <37F6A69A.DF400F85@theta-orionis.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, Jill wrote: > I've been doing an endless (and increasingly fruitless) search for the > Travellers Aid Trust CD and sorry everyone who asked me for this - I'm > very much afraid this is not going to turn up in a hurry. I've looked > everywhere I can usually find stuff but not much is around these days. I'd be willing to trade my TAT for some old Porcupine Tree stuff, if anyone's interested. Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Visit the Dreaming City iscladoc at idir.net http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr If you want to view paradise / simply look around and view it Anything you want to, do it / Want to change the world there's nothing to it . . . . -- "Pure Imagination" from _Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory_ From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Oct 4 22:29:04 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:29:04 -0400 Subject: BOC: Lyric discussions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Oct 1999, Goran Janicijevic wrote: => >I thought I'd read a lot of BOC hagiography on here until now, but => >this takes the biscuit! => => Well, we're talking here about a sort of Cult, aren't we? ;-) It may be a cult, but as a wise man once said, "remember, there's a big difference between kneeling down and bending over..." => ....here: The dot of the Kronos is scarier than any of the Eddie's => incarnations. ;-) Priceless, just priceless! :-) Cheers, Paul. NP: Can, _Monster Movie_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I don't live today; maybe tomorrow..." --- James Marshall Hendrix From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Oct 5 04:28:56 1999 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 01:28:56 PDT Subject: BBC Lyrics vote Message-ID: >The BBC web site has a vote on the best song lyric. I wondered if we >ought to decide on a line from one of Calvert's pieces and then go vote 'im >into the chart? That is an excellent idea. >Maybe the first verse of Spirit of the Age? My vote would have to go to the chorus of _Thanks to the Scientists_ from _Test-Tube Conceived_. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Tue Oct 5 05:34:22 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (rich-l) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:34:22 +0000 Subject: BBC Lyrics vote Message-ID: I've gone for Spirit of the Age - it's a bit late to start bickering about which song now, given the poll closes at 6:00 UK time... Cheers, Rich. ---------- >From: Horse Whisperer >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Subject: Re: BBC Lyrics vote >Date: Tue, Oct 5, 1999, 8:28 am > >>The BBC web site has a vote on the best song lyric. I wondered if we >>ought to decide on a line from one of Calvert's pieces and then go vote 'im >>into the chart? > > That is an excellent idea. > >>Maybe the first verse of Spirit of the Age? > > My vote would have to go to the chorus of _Thanks to the Scientists_ from > _Test-Tube Conceived_. > > Chris. > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Oct 5 03:59:23 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 07:59:23 +0000 Subject: Imaginos/Half Life Time Message-ID: > I don't know much about his solo works, but compared to BOC aura, Iron > Maiden's is just for kiddies entering the world of HM. Like cheap > horror comics compared to Lovecraft's world. > -- > Goran In terms of 80s metal, Maiden was one of the best of the bunch if you ask me. One of the few bands I listened to as a teenager that I can still stomach today. I would never compare Maiden to BOC, BUT. . . Compared to some of what BOC was doing in the 80s, "Number of the Beast" ain't too shabby. -- Nick From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Tue Oct 5 08:45:18 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:45:18 -0400 Subject: BOC: Lyric discussions Message-ID: > << I do recall that he didn't quote the Led > Zeppelin line ("squeeze my lemon 'til the juice runs down my leg") > exactly either. >> > ============ > > well, a 'led zeppelin line' via whoever first uttered it decades previous... > > whatever old record they nicked it from... > > Definitely Robert Johnson, possibly 'Travelling Riverside Blues' > Thanks - I like the blues a lot, but I'm not up on blues history or all of the classic blues artists/songs. I do know, of course, that the first few Led Zepplin albums had a very heavy blues slant to them. > > I'd say, then, 'just for kiddies of all ages.' IM remind me of > another pet rock of mine, Rush. Just because they happen to quote a > couple of lofty literary sources doesn't make them intellectuals! I > can write an essay full of literary quotes, but it doesn't make me > Harold Bloom... I wouldn't say that Maiden necessarily quoted a few lofty sources. And my point being again that I think it makes them worthy of more than "just for kiddies entering the world of HM" > Their > > influence on metal in the 80s is probably just as significant as BOC's. > > I'd say probably more so, and KISS even more than that. Point being > what? Point being that they aren't "just for kiddies entering the world of HM" And as for KISS, while I wouldn't put them up there as musical geniouses, they DID influence a lot of 80s and 90s artists musically - an aspiring student might want to give a listen to something like "Destroyer" knowing that their current favorite metal guitarist wore the grooves off of his copy back in 1976... > It happen to be in the early eighties, I used to compare 'Cultosaurus' > with the IM actual 'Killers'. Light years of quality between these two > bands. A single note on Lips In The Hills beats the whole opus of IM, > and says more than they ever could. Well, that is subjective, but I would agree - like I said, most bands would fall short in comparison to BOC in terms of lyrics and music. However, I find IM worthy of better treatment than the original quote But - to each their own, and 'nuff said by me on this particular topic. John From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Oct 5 09:16:54 1999 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:16:54 EDT Subject: 0FF: DIAMANDA GALAS IN LONDON Message-ID: Diamanda Gal?s will perform Defixiones: Will and Testament in London. Here's the info: London- one show only Thursday, December 9th DEFIXIONES, WILL AND TESTAMENT 8pm The Barbican This will be a great show!!! regards, Bill Stewart From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Oct 5 09:20:35 1999 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 06:20:35 PDT Subject: BBC Lyrics vote Message-ID: Um, what IS the 1st verse of Spirit of the Age??? >I've gone for Spirit of the Age - it's a bit late to start bickering about >which song now, given the poll closes at 6:00 UK time... >Cheers, >Rich. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Tue Oct 5 09:31:35 1999 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:31:35 +0100 Subject: BBC Lyrics vote Message-ID: I would have liked you to have been deep frozen too, And waiting still as fresh in your flesh for my return to Earth, But your father refused to sign the forms to freeze you, Let's see: you'd be about 60 now, And long dead by the time I return to Earth, My time-held dreams were full of you then, As you were, still under age, My android replica is playing up again, it's no joke, When she comes she moans another's name, That's the spirit of the age. Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Horse Whisperer To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 2:20 PM Subject: Re: BBC Lyrics vote > Um, what IS the 1st verse of Spirit of the Age??? > > >I've gone for Spirit of the Age - it's a bit late to start bickering about > >which song now, given the poll closes at 6:00 UK time... > >Cheers, > >Rich. > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Oct 5 09:47:29 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:47:29 EDT Subject: BOC: Lyric discussions Message-ID: In a message dated 10/5/99 8:43:14 AM, jswartz at MITRE.ORG writes: << I do know, of course, that the first few Led Zeppelin albums had a very heavy blues slant to them.>> ==== oh i'm such a bastard... "very heavy blues slant" is a polite way of saying they were absolutely the biggest =thieves= of all time, as borne out by royalties subsequently being paid to willie dixon. etc. and then there's always randy california's "taurus" off the first spirit lp....say no more. killer drum sound, though. "<>" From mordru at FLITE.NET Tue Oct 5 09:50:26 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:50:26 -0400 Subject: BBC Lyrics vote Message-ID: >Um, what IS the 1st verse of Spirit of the Age??? Starfarer's Dispatch "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random =============== Andrew Apold From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Oct 5 06:27:57 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:27:57 +0000 Subject: BOC: Lyric discussions Message-ID: > And as for KISS, while I wouldn't put them up there as musical > geniuses, I certainly would not, either. BUT. . . for a rare treat from KISS, I suggest "Music From the Elder". 20 years later, I still love this one. And I'm no slobbering soldier in the KISS Army. This is the only KISS album I've ever owned. -- Nick From sprawl at BBOARD.COM Tue Oct 5 10:25:33 1999 From: sprawl at BBOARD.COM (Sprawl) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:25:33 -0400 Subject: Imaginos/Half Life Time (lay off the IM!) Message-ID: Agreed. Another vote to quit slagging the maiden. Why even compare them to BOC? Yes, there are guitars and other instruments in both bands, and both tend to drift into morbid areas or the macabre in general. Any similarity stops there. And to call them kiddie metal is just silly. Why, because they have a mascot? A gimmick? Oh wow, that's certainly strange for a metal group... IM does not "toss in lofty quotes" and masquerade as intelectuals (meaningless word, that.) The lyrics are carefully arranged, and do quite well at telling whole yarns in short, simple verse. BOC is one of my top all-time favorite bands... but the lyrics are often pointless and disjointed. Look at Blackblade... this song is good, but it is completely laughable as an interpretation of Elric's tale. Like watching a western with soundtrack by Jane's Addiction. At lease IM put -some- effort into capturing the flavor if Frank Herbert's "Dune." As for Lips... What the hell is that all about anyway? I have always considered that to be a "filler" song... the one ya always skip over when trying to turn someone onto the band. -----Original Message----- From: Nick English at bboard.com To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 8:06 AM Subject: Re: Imaginos/Half Life Time > I don't know much about his solo works, but compared to BOC aura, Iron > Maiden's is just for kiddies entering the world of HM. Like cheap > horror comics compared to Lovecraft's world. > -- > Goran In terms of 80s metal, Maiden was one of the best of the bunch if you ask me. One of the few bands I listened to as a teenager that I can still stomach today. I would never compare Maiden to BOC, BUT. . . Compared to some of what BOC was doing in the 80s, "Number of the Beast" ain't too shabby. -- Nick From sprawl at BBOARD.COM Tue Oct 5 10:26:48 1999 From: sprawl at BBOARD.COM (Sprawl) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:26:48 -0400 Subject: BOC: Lyric discussions Message-ID: LOL- Me too. -----Original Message----- From: Nick English at bboard.com To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 10:32 AM Subject: Re: BOC: Lyric discussions > And as for KISS, while I wouldn't put them up there as musical > geniuses, I certainly would not, either. BUT. . . for a rare treat from KISS, I suggest "Music From the Elder". 20 years later, I still love this one. And I'm no slobbering soldier in the KISS Army. This is the only KISS album I've ever owned. -- Nick From des at SUPERLINK.NET Tue Oct 5 11:05:10 1999 From: des at SUPERLINK.NET (E F) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:05:10 -0400 Subject: Imaginos/Half Life Time (lay off the IM!) In-Reply-To: <001801bf0f3d$8ef7f620$99a58fcc@sprawl> Message-ID: On 05-Oct-99, Sprawl says to me: > Agreed. Another vote to quit slagging the maiden. I agree, besides "Seventh Son" is a brilliant concept album even though it alienated many of IM's die hard fans for it's use of, amongst other things, keyboards . Unfortunately, IMHO, it was also their last good album. > Why even compare them to BOC? Yes, there are guitars and other instruments > in both bands, and both tend to drift into morbid areas or the macabre in > general. > Any similarity stops there. > > And to call them kiddie metal is just silly. Why, because they have a > mascot? A gimmick? > Oh wow, that's certainly strange for a metal group... What is a mascot but a symbol. BOC falls into this with the Cronus-like symbol and Motorhead has Lemmy... > IM does not "toss in lofty quotes" and masquerade as intelectuals > (meaningless word, that.) The lyrics are carefully arranged, and do quite > well at telling whole yarns in short, simple verse. Definately. > BOC is one of my top all-time favorite bands... but the lyrics are often > pointless and disjointed. "Light Years of Love" any body?? True Maiden may lack some of the subtleties within their lyrics that BOC does, but they are still a smart well versed band that can draw from a well of many sorces with between modest to great sucess. I think it is fair to include BOC and IM within a list of hard/heavy bands that broke the mold but considering their styles overall a direct comparison would be unfair to both. --Eric -- Predictions are tricky things, especially if they're about the future. -- Yogi Bera From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Oct 5 13:25:09 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:25:09 EDT Subject: Imaginos/Half Life Time (lay off the IM!) In-Reply-To: <001801bf0f3d$8ef7f620$99a58fcc@sprawl> Message-ID: > From: Sprawl > Agreed. Another vote to quit slagging the maiden. > > Why even compare them to BOC? Yes, there are guitars and other instruments > in both bands, and both tend to drift into morbid areas or the macabre in > general. > Any similarity stops there. Except that BOC always had plenty of humor mixed in... > > IM does not "toss in lofty quotes" and masquerade as intelectuals > (meaningless word, that.) > The lyrics are carefully arranged, and do quite well at telling whole yarns > in short, simple verse. Or invoking imagery that will appeal to adolescents of all ages... > > BOC is one of my top all-time favorite bands... but the lyrics are often > pointless and disjointed. > Right! How do they get by with drivel like WotT, FT, Astronomy, BtK[aR],TMC...No quality control to speak of... > As for Lips... What the hell is that all about anyway? I have always > considered that to be a "filler" song... > the one ya always skip over when trying to turn someone onto the band. Haven't seen the band lately then? One of their best live tunes, IMHO... theo From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Oct 5 13:31:16 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:31:16 +0100 Subject: HW: 70's Synths In-Reply-To: <000001bf0dc5$8ac751a0$d3f9fea9@dhiralalita> Message-ID: On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, Dhira Lalita wrote: > Ken told me the same thing. > > Is it true then? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jonathan Jarrett > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > > On Fri, 1 Oct 1999, Andy Gilham wrote: > > > > I believe Dik Mik on the other hand was a build-your-own man. Some > > > day I must find out if I actually _do_ know where he drinks or if my > > > informant was making it up. Yours, > > > > The Iron Horse in Amersham? > > You've been talking to Ken too haven't you... Yours, I don't know, but the number of people Ken seems to have told I shouldn't be surprised if he'd gone elsewhere ;-) I used to live near there, but by the time I found out I was in Cambridge. C'est la vie, je suppose. Yours, Jon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Oct 5 13:31:47 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:31:47 EDT Subject: BOC: Lyric discussions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: DASLUD at AOL.COM > In a message dated 10/5/99 8:43:14 AM, jswartz at MITRE.ORG writes: > > << I do know, of course, that the > first few Led Zeppelin albums had a very heavy blues slant to them.>> > ==== > oh i'm such a bastard... > "very heavy blues slant" is a polite way of saying they were absolutely the > biggest =thieves= of all time, as borne out by royalties subsequently being > paid to willie dixon. etc. > and then there's always randy california's "taurus" off the first spirit > lp....say no more. You are so right! Rolling Stones being perhaps the biggest thieves of all time--and the least talented. Pains me to say it, but ZZ Top are plagiarizing bastards too. Weren't they the band that Willie Dixon sued? I always figured that had something to do with the absence of a ZZT boxed set... theo From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Oct 5 13:02:37 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:02:37 -0400 Subject: OFF: Camera Obscura tour review (Finally) Message-ID: Hi Folks... I promised I'd send this to the list once I'd written it. I'm sure you were all terribly anxious to see it. :) Anyway, for those interested, here are my impressions of the show in Pgh., and my reviews of each group's latest CD offering. Did anyone else catch this tour? What did you think? Keith H. (FAA) P.S. Anybody see 12 Monkeys on TV this past Saturday (US only)? In case you were wondering (I know you weren't), 'FAA' comes from this movie...the front organization for the Army of the 12 Monkeys. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >From Aural Innovations #8 (Oct. 1999) http://www.infinet.com/~jkranitz/space/space.html The Rolling Psychedelic Circus Tour (Land/Salamander/Primordial Undermind/Overhang Party) Pittsburgh, PA - Stevenson Theatre 9/17/99 The Stevenson Theater is an obscure little place...tucked away in the lower floor of a combination art supply shop and gallery in the east suburbs of Pittsburgh. Not the easiest venue to find, and not the kind of neighborhood that you necessarily want to hang around at night, looking lost. But even with my brother (a Pittsburgh resident) in tow, lost we were, because we'd headed for Penn Circle North as opposed to South. Well, with a bit of intuition and after only a single wrong turn onto a one-way street, we did manage to find the place. I knew this would be an intimate setting with hardly a flood of publicity, but I was a little surprised to find that this 'showcase' would only attract 30 or so paying customers. That same night in Columbus, Cher was playing to a packed house at $72 a head...I'm used to these injustices, but it's still nonsensical. Anyway, the few dozen folks that made the extra effort to support underground music (literally!) got their money's worth. Though late, we did manage to catch the last few strains of ambient/space sounds offered up by the local group Land. In fact, we were told that they didn't start playing much earlier than we'd arrived, so I guess they were aware of (and perhaps themselves anxious to see) the three acts yet to follow. AI was promised that a promo copy of their single (7" vinyl and cassette) would be sent our way, and I look forward to reviewing that next time. I liked what little I'd heard. During intermission, I was able to chat with a few folks I'd met at various other events around the midwest, and exchange stories and newly-discovered bands to impress others with, and soon learned Salamander was up next. You know, I believe I'd pay $72 to see *this* band play in an arena with the glitz and high-tech systems, though I hardly think that's their style. Unfortunately, guitarist Sean Connaughty had some obvious difficulty with his amp, though it would've been really difficult to tell exactly which funny noises were actually intended and which were the 'problem.' Isn't space rock great in that sense?! Anyway, my biggest wish for this night was met right away when they charged right into the fabulous "Old Mr. Jones." As great as this is on record, this live version just smoked! It starts out as a harmless little folksy ditty with Sean's thin wispy vocals drifting along quite nicely. But then the wide-open dueling guitar jam takes over, carried on the back of Erik Wivinus' Brockian guitar sound (oddly, a semi-acoustic plugged into a carpetful of pedals) and Doug Morman's steady bass. (The band were touring without drummer Bryce Kastning, but Skye Klad's Matt Zaun filled in just fine.) This wondrous tune must've run on for about a total of 20 minutes or so, and afterwards my brother said it reminded him of (the song) "Born to Go." I would've said "Lord of Light" perhaps, but it was right from the 'Space Ritual' playbook. Salamander continued with a few more lengthy improvisational psych jams, wrapping up a 50-minute smorgasbord worthy of very high praise. Primordial Undermind set up next, and I was eager to see them perform as I'd just been introduced to their works in recent months via their newest member Doug Pearson. His four compatriots had gear that went up to 11, such that Doug's violin could hardly compete, though his bank of homemade analog devices (things that go 'whirr' and 'ping') were a really nice addition. (You might notice that Doug is now writing about these wondrous toys for our benefit and yours in the pages of AI.) Anyway, P.U. blasted through a slew of tunes that I struggled to identify, but the one I immediately recognized was "Bandhu (gospel according to)" and this (without surprise) was the highlight of their set. Seeing them in action, you do detect a touch of punkishness in their demeanor, even though their physical appearance is rather conservative. Bret Holley (especially) plays his bass with reckless abandon and unbridled energy, and must certainly rush his partners along at times. Luckily, everyone kept up and they put together a solid set that in the end failed to make my ears bleed. (Not without trying.) We'd heard that Japan's Overhang Party had just arrived from overseas the previous night, arriving in Pittsburgh at some time in the wee early morning hours. So I'm sure they were a bit unsettled, so perhaps that's the reason for their first offering. I'm pretty sure it was "G House Blues" from the 4th album, as it was simply 10 minutes of tremendously loud and blaring noise. I had been told that O.P. featured Michio Kurihara (of Marble Sheep, White Heaven, and others) and I didn't think this was his style. (In the end, Kurihara is not part of O.P., at least not currently anyway.) But to say that the screeching violin and intense feedback was bothersome would be an understatement. Thankfully, this is just one aspect of their sound, and I perhaps imagined that they play this first to judge the 'open-mindedness' of their audience! I had some thoughts, but of course hung in there. Most of the set (once again, not many tunes) were long droney psych jams, with guitarist/vocalist Rinji Fukuoka taking center stage, his playing both fluid and manic at once. At times, he got extremely animated. The trio was joined by a female member playing an odd-looking synth device that she seemed to trigger in different ways to provide an additional repeating underscore that merged in with the percussion (often played with mallets) and rhythm guitar. All in all, a peculiar but yet still enjoyable set that hit a high point at the end with what I think was "Barcelona." "Mirror" was performed at some point also, I believe. All in all, it was nice to see a couple fine bands get a chance to perform far outside their normal territories. Hopefully, a positive message will be sent through the underground that this music is alive and well. KH Salamander - KFJC Radio 'From the Vault' - 27th April, 1999 (CD-R) Camera Lucinda (AU) cl-002 I'm really learning to enjoy the freedom that the new digital technology has brought. With seemingly little effort, the members of Minneapolis' Salamander prepared an hour-long radio show for a local indie station and then turned it over to Tony Dale, who had 100 copies burned to disc for release on his new sub-label, intended for just these purposes. It makes a nice little package of rare goodies and works-in-progress that we can look forward to hearing again in final form later on. Included on 'From the Vault' are a couple interviews with main protagonists Erik Wivinus and Sean Connaughty, against a backdrop of spacey ambient music. Sean's part includes some statements on the general philosophy of the band and the development of their improv style. Also included are a sampling of tracks from the spinoff bands Gentle Tasaday and Vortex Navigation Company, which I won't get into as there are full reviews of these in the regular Review section. By far the coolest aspect are the two "Untitled New Songs" that bracket the disc. "UNS#1" is a mantric work with poetry lyrics and table percussion along the lines of Saddar Bazaar, only better. "UNS#2" is a more folksy tune, again in a minor key, and features a neat effect that I'll call a 'space whistle.' "You Think Shrinks are Nuts" and "You No. 9" are more dreamy and lysergic works that sound like cleaner early Hawkwind material (Text of Festival days). Space out, man. Well, for a band that was defunct for a few years before this recent resurrection, I'm happy to say that we have some more great things to look forward to from the Twin Cities. This little community of space bands (also including Skye Klad) have really hit on something special, and I'm ready to drink it all in. Their fully-evolved works "Red Mantra" and "Red Ampersand" (both Camera Obscura) are what to initially look for of course (as these are both 'must have' items) - more easily found in the Northern Hemisphere anyway. But to the primed Salamander fan: You should definitely get your hands on one of these collectable items before they quickly vanish. Contact: same as for Camera Obscura. Primordial Undermind - Universe I've Got (1999) Camera Obscura (AU) CAM032CD P.U. started out in the Boston area but eventually relocated to California, now firmly entrenched in the Bay Area. 'Universe' is their third release, the second on Camera Obscura. This one falls in the same vein as previous works, i.e. noisy psychedelic rock with dueling guitars and a touch of punk sentiment. Though this time, they haven't done much of the experimental droney pieces that were featured on 1997's "You and Me and the Continuum." Also, newcomers Bret Holley (bass), Grawer (drums), and especially Doug Pearson (violin/analog noises) have modified the sound, though it's still guitarist/vocalist Eric Arn's band primarily. 'Universe' gets off to a whopping fine start with the eight-minute "Bandhu (gospel according to)," a masterful mid-paced slurry of fuzz, reverb, and heavy bass, countered by the obligatory synth swashes and effects. A much faster rumbling bassline then kicks off "Hypomorphic Array," and already I'm sold. Arn sings in a semi-mocking tone here, and while his voice isn't outstanding, it really suits the 'dirty' sound that P.U. has. The best use of the violin (though it sounds more like a reed instrument here) is found on "Jean to Sloan," a laid-back eastern piece that works well between the more aggressive tunes. "Manta" recalls SunDial of the late 80s with a dose of extra fuzz and lots of cool synth swirls and nice jangly guitar bits...it runs a bit long though. A highly subdued version of BOC's "Flaming Telepaths" starts off in excellent fashion (with acoustic guitar and violin plucking) and Arn does a commendable job with the vocals, but in the end I'm not totally sold on this attempt. To wrap up, both "Weightless Nemesis" and the swirling, whirling "Dervish" offer copious servings of the rambling, intertwining guitars of Arn and Brian Craft along with more eerie sounds from the violin poking out from behind the sonic curtain. Anyone who digs Bevis Frond, SunDial, and the like should immediately take to Primordial Undermind's slightly off-color psychy sound. But I don't feel the album as a whole quite lives up to the promise of the first two outstanding tracks. So I'd still recommend the first release, "Yet More Wonders of the Invisible World" on September Gurls (GR) as the place to start, if you can still find it. Though once you've gotten a taste that way, you'll want this one too! Contact: Camera Obscura, P.O. Box 5069, Burnley, VIC 3121 Australia; http://www.cameraobscura.com.au Overhang Party - 4 (1998) Pataphysique (JP) DD-007 This avant psych-noise trio is a new discovery for me, though I'm not entirely unfamiliar with the Japanese 'sound.' I'm all for the "stream-of-consciousness" (think Gottsching) guitar jamming that they so often feature, though the general deficiency in the lower registers is not something I usually prefer. On record, Overhang Party sounds more balanced as well as more restrained certainly. The seven tunes on 'OP 4' total comprise about an hour's worth of a variety of stuff, both vocal tunes and sound experiments. "Kizashi" is an interesting study of repeating patterns (I hesitate to call it 'drone' music, as it has a far different feel compared to US drone artists), which is readressed later in "Barcelona." The application of bouncy bass (such as it is, given the band has no actual bass player) and percussion is what gives their drones a unique character. "Le Few Follet," on the other hand, sounds like ballroom music from the WWII era (our side). Here, bandleader/guitarist Rinji Fukuoka shows off some of his other abilities with a pleasant violin melody during the "bridge." "Then the Ship was Sunk" is a very peculiar piece of majestic Highlander (or Celtic) music, with Fukuoka's guitar sounding more like bagpipes. Later on though, the pace picks up and OP charge into an excellent blanga-style jam colored by more violin soloing. "Mirror" is another layered march-like tune with duet vocals that works well, and shows off Fukuoka's nimble fretwork. The finale, "G House Blues" is a pure, unadulterated noise experiment...12 minutes of very bright and dissonant buzz-guitar and crazed violin. Yikes! I feel that I will learn to appreciate this work more over time for all its idiosyncrasies and noisiness. Fukuoka has a very ordinary singing voice (albeit in Japanese), though I find myself drawn more to it with each listen. I think that those into the more avant garde krautrock, i.e., Amon Duul II and Faust (of course), should catch on to what they're trying to do here. If you're more the 'traditional' space-rocker, well maybe you'd just think they're a little strange. And why not? Contact: Pataphysique/Aura Nihilitica Records, 001-0017 17 Building, 1F North 17 West, 4-21 Kita Ward, Sapporo, Japan; E-mail: fukuoka at biglobe.mrj.ne.jp From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Oct 5 14:26:36 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:26:36 EDT Subject: OFF: BOC/IM from bob mayo Message-ID: In a message dated 10/5/99 1:49:19 PM, RMayo19761 writes: << re iron maiden vs boc: one obvious similarity missed in this conversation is that martin birch produced maiden's 'killers' (and their 1st 10 lps) and boc's 'cultasaurus' lp, both of which were compared earlier. i wouldn't compare boc and maiden on any other level than that. certainly not lyrically. on that score, i've always thought that boc had a lot in common with cheap trick, beleive it or not, in their knack for operating successfully in a genre while simultaneously poking fun at it (boc: metal / cheap trick: pop rock). anyone who takes boc's 'leather/red and black/ww2 conspiracy etc etc.' stuff 100% seriously should listen to maiden (who've always been dead serious about their stuff) instead. one has to look for the 'wink' (perhaps in boc's case a slightly sinister one) in boc's and c. trick's music/lyrics. or check out judas priest, who didn't have any major success until they delved into self-parody with '77's 'hell bent for leather'. still great stuff, but please don't pretend it's all 'for real'. one must maintain one's sense of perspective. rmayo >> -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: RMayo19761 at aol.com Subject: please forward? Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:49:19 EDT Size: 1440 URL: From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Oct 5 14:47:19 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:47:19 +0100 Subject: Imaginos/Half Life Time (lay off the IM!) In-Reply-To: <001801bf0f3d$8ef7f620$99a58fcc@sprawl> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Oct 1999, Sprawl wrote: > As for Lips... What the hell is that all about anyway? I have always > considered that to be a "filler" song... > the one ya always skip over when trying to turn someone onto the band. Oh! Though I can't really justify it, I think it's probably my favourute BOC song altogether. When they played it in London I nearly had a heart attack I was so excited. Seriously. I think it's got something primeval about it which gets me - on the other hand, people say similar things about songs by other bands which I simply can't get, like for example anything by sHeavy. Yours, Jon From sprawl at BBOARD.COM Tue Oct 5 16:58:39 1999 From: sprawl at BBOARD.COM (Sprawl) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:58:39 -0400 Subject: Imaginos/Half Life Time (lay off the IM!) Message-ID: Well, I phrased it poorly, I think. -I- like the song. I don't get much meaning from it, but I like the sound and feel. But I was already well familiar with BOC's sound when first I heard it. I was really talking in terms of a first-time listener's point of view. I will say that the tune does not come close to my top-twenty BOC songs. I have no dislike for it. Of course, I pick the single busiest week of my entire year to chime in, and speak hastily.. (I'm moving to Virginia on friday, and only found out about it LAST friday....) RJ -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Jarrett To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 2:54 PM Subject: Re: Imaginos/Half Life Time (lay off the IM!) >On Tue, 5 Oct 1999, Sprawl wrote: > >> As for Lips... What the hell is that all about anyway? I have always >> considered that to be a "filler" song... >> the one ya always skip over when trying to turn someone onto the band. > > Oh! Though I can't really justify it, I think it's probably my >favourute BOC song altogether. When they played it in London I nearly had >a heart attack I was so excited. Seriously. I think it's got something >primeval about it which gets me - on the other hand, people say similar >things about songs by other bands which I simply can't get, like for >example anything by sHeavy. Yours, > Jon From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Oct 5 17:13:34 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 17:13:34 -0400 Subject: OFF: Hallo again Message-ID: Hi all, I've just switched back out of NOMAIL, though since I'm now a mere mortal with Sssllooww dial-up speeds I'm not sure whether I'll get far beyond lurking here for the immediate future! Still, good to be back. I'm actually back in the Boston area (Westford, actually), despite the UK address (my account at Cambridge should last as long as I'm officially a student, which might be some time depending on how fast/slow Cambridge grinds through the paperwork to spring me). But in the meantime, I need to scrounge up a decent dial-up ISP and gainful employment. Anyone know any good ISPs? :) Anyone know what web design contracting rates are these days? I had some offers to purchase my services in that regard from some people I worked for in London last month (little do they know ...) but have no idea what people doing that kind of thing charge these days. My groovy new computer plays MP3s. What fun this modern world is! Shame it takes so long to download stuff now! Sure was fun going to Strange Daze and seeing various list folk there :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Tue Oct 5 17:23:08 1999 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:23:08 +0100 Subject: OT: bedouin Message-ID: Anyone going to the Bedouin gig this Friday at West One Four, London? Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Oct 5 17:23:51 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:23:51 +0100 Subject: OT: bedouin In-Reply-To: <004d01bf0f77$d2cdf0e0$231ec8c3@johann> Message-ID: Looks likely! --Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Kevin Perry > Sent: 5 October 1999 22:23 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: OT: bedouin > > > Anyone going to the Bedouin gig this Friday at West One Four, London? > > Kevin Perry > Sonic Energy Authority > http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ > > "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; > and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its > duties." > From sprawl at BBOARD.COM Tue Oct 5 17:23:30 1999 From: sprawl at BBOARD.COM (Sprawl) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 17:23:30 -0400 Subject: Imaginos/Half Life Time (lay off the IM!) Message-ID: THEO: >>Except that BOC always had plenty of humor mixed in... True, and that is great, if you seek humor. >>Or invoking imagery that will appeal to adolescents of all ages... Again, true. But that is pretty much the point of all sci-fi, fantasy, and horror. And metal too. IMO, there is very damned little in the universe of rock that -should- be taken seriously. I just thought it was funny to see someone who is such an avid fan of the band who brought us such songs as "Godzilla," and "Let Go," point at another (totally dis-similar) band and call them juvenile. Lot's of musicians have pointed back at their own work, called it all a joke. Like a painter pointing to his work and saying- "That old doodle? I was just messin' about." >Right! How do they get by with drivel like WotT, FT, Astronomy, >BtK[aR],TMC...No quality control to speak of... Your words, not mine... >>Haven't seen the band lately then? One of their best live tunes, >>IMHO... Nope, not really. Last time was around 1989-1990. I have seen them a total of nine times, and two of those were the same show twice in a row (same night) at a Great Adventure gig in Missouri. I don't recall ever hearing them do this live, but in the days when I was going to concerts, I was usually too high to know what was being played anyway... See my message to Jon, I explain what I meant a bit better there.. RJ theo From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Tue Oct 5 17:30:42 1999 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:30:42 +0100 Subject: OT: bedouin Message-ID: Hope it's as good as the last time they played when I saw them... Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Gilham To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 10:23 PM Subject: Re: OT: bedouin > Looks likely! > > --Andy > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > Behalf Of Kevin Perry > > Sent: 5 October 1999 22:23 > > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > > Subject: OT: bedouin > > > > > > Anyone going to the Bedouin gig this Friday at West One Four, London? > > > > Kevin Perry > > Sonic Energy Authority > > http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ > > > > "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; > > and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its > > duties." > > From jgoran at TELEBOT.COM Tue Oct 5 20:42:32 1999 From: jgoran at TELEBOT.COM (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:42:32 +0100 Subject: BOC: Lyric discussions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Paul Mather wrote in : >It may be a cult, but as a wise man once said, "remember, there's a >big difference between kneeling down and bending over..." Not bending, not kneeling, just listening (on my feet :-) ). -- Goran From jgoran at TELEBOT.COM Tue Oct 5 20:42:35 1999 From: jgoran at TELEBOT.COM (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:42:35 +0100 Subject: OFF: BOC/IM from bob mayo In-Reply-To: <25ea3ea2.252b9cdc@aol.com> Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote in <25ea3ea2.252b9cdc at aol.com>: >one obvious similarity missed in this conversation is that martin birch >produced maiden's 'killers' (and their 1st 10 lps) and boc's 'cultasaurus' >lp, both of which were compared earlier. i wouldn't compare boc and maiden on Yes! Now I remember why the hell I would compare those two albums in my youth. Birch, the hard lovin' man! >any other level than that. certainly not lyrically. >on that score, i've always thought that boc had a lot in common with cheap >trick, beleive it or not, in their knack for operating successfully in a >genre while simultaneously poking fun at it (boc: metal / cheap trick: pop >rock). anyone who takes boc's 'leather/red and black/ww2 conspiracy etc etc.' >stuff 100% seriously should listen to maiden (who've always been dead serious >about their stuff) instead. one has to look for the 'wink' (perhaps in boc's Right you are (Mayo). That's why Maiden are naively pretentious! They took themselves too seriously: Something very lethal in the world of r'n'r. That's why they can't make an album like Imaginos. Not to mention Spectres or FOUO. And Paul thinks I'm some bigot. ;-) BTW, I wonder (Larry) why your AOL mailer sends the forwarded message from that Mayo guy twice. -- Goran From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Tue Oct 5 20:40:45 1999 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (Sen. Volstead) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:40:45 -0500 Subject: OFF: BOC/IM from bob mayo Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 10/5/99 1:49:19 PM, RMayo19761 writes: > > << re iron maiden vs boc: > one obvious similarity missed in this conversation is that martin birch > produced maiden's 'killers' (and their 1st 10 lps) and boc's 'cultasaurus' > lp, both of which were compared earlier. i wouldn't compare boc and maiden on > any other level than that. certainly not lyrically. > on that score, i've always thought that boc had a lot in common with cheap > trick, beleive it or not, in their knack for operating successfully in a > genre while simultaneously poking fun at it (boc: metal / cheap trick: pop > rock). anyone who takes boc's 'leather/red and black/ww2 conspiracy etc etc.' > stuff 100% seriously should listen to maiden (who've always been dead serious > about their stuff) instead. one has to look for the 'wink' (perhaps in boc's > case a slightly sinister one) in boc's and c. trick's music/lyrics. > or check out judas priest, who didn't have any major success until they > delved into self-parody with '77's 'hell bent for leather'. still great > stuff, but please don't pretend it's all 'for real'. one must maintain one's > sense of perspective. > > rmayo >> I used to be a great Maiden fan myself, owning all of their albums up to the X Factor, along with many singles and oddities, and I've never thought of them as serious in any respect.Come on, look at their cover art, that should give it away. But their lyrics are incredibly goofy as well. If they took themselves seriously (like they sort of did for a while when Dickinson left) it would just be awful. Has anyone else found HW/Calvert references in Dickinson's solo material? From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Tue Oct 5 19:59:25 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:59:25 +0900 Subject: BBC Lyrics vote Message-ID: In this politically correct world we live in (and this one is probably even valid,) how do we think those openminded soles at the beeb are going to react to a mass vote for a song containing the lines: > > As you were, still under age, > My android replica is playing up again, it's no joke, > When she comes she moans another's name, Look over your shoulders, folks. The Social Workers are coming! Dave From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Oct 5 21:17:35 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 21:17:35 -0400 Subject: OFF: BOC/IM from bob mayo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, Goran Janicijevic wrote: => DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote in <25ea3ea2.252b9cdc at aol.com>: => >any other level than that. certainly not lyrically. => >on that score, i've always thought that boc had a lot in common with cheap => >trick, beleive it or not, in their knack for operating successfully in a => >genre while simultaneously poking fun at it (boc: metal / cheap trick: pop => >rock). anyone who takes boc's 'leather/red and black/ww2 conspiracy etc etc.' => >stuff 100% seriously should listen to maiden (who've always been dead serious => >about their stuff) instead. one has to look for the 'wink' (perhaps in boc's => => Right you are (Mayo). That's why Maiden are naively pretentious! They => took themselves too seriously: Something very lethal in the world of => r'n'r. That's why they can't make an album like Imaginos. Not to => mention Spectres or FOUO. I never got the impression that Maiden took themselves seriously. (I mean, "The Phantom of the Opera" was used in a Lucozade commercial!:) I guess it was the way they'd poke fun at the songs when introducing them on the live albums ("this one's about opening a pair of curtains" ["Revelations"]; "this is what not to do when a bird shits on you" ["Rime of the Ancient Mariner"]; etc.), but I guess I must be mistaken, since those wiser than me have pronounced to the contrary. It's my impression that Iron Maiden took it about as seriously as Venom and Slayer (i.e., it's a convenient tool within a genre), and that it is the fans who over-interpret. I guess the same is true of BOC to an extent, with die-hards quibbling over whether this or that song belongs to "The Imaginos Cycle" and where its "correct" place lies in the running order. I sort of lost interest in Iron Maiden because I felt they were running out of ideas after _Powerslave_. But, like someone else commented on here, Iron Maiden is one of the few "heavy metal" bands I will still listen to today. They do what they do very well. Jeez, this is going to turn into MAIDEN-L before long. ;-) Cheers, Paul. NP: Rory Gallagher, _Irish Tour_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I don't live today; maybe tomorrow..." --- James Marshall Hendrix From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Oct 5 21:21:59 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 21:21:59 EDT Subject: OFF: BOC/IM from bob mayo Message-ID: In a message dated 10/5/99 7:42:52 PM, jgoran at TELEBOT.COM writes: << BTW, I wonder (Larry) why your AOL mailer sends the forwarded message from that Mayo guy twice. >> ==== huh. jill taught me to hit 'reply' as opposed to 'reply all' long ago... twas a fluke i'll hope... bob mayo: bass/voc for the late speedmetal WARGASM (3 releases 88-95) metal historian and my pal "<>" From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Oct 5 21:16:08 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 21:16:08 -0400 Subject: OFF: BOC/IM from bob mayo Message-ID: lb said... >bob mayo: bass/voc for the late speedmetal WARGASM (3 releases 88-95) >metal historian >and my pal And...uh...wasn't he rhythm guitarist alongside Robbie Blunt on Robert Plant's first solo tour? Or are there more than one Bob Mayo? Keith H. (FAA) From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Wed Oct 6 00:01:15 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 00:01:15 -0400 Subject: OFF: BOC/(IM free!) from [insert name here] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 09:17 PM 10/5/99 -0400, people with fingers wrote: I have nothing to say about Iron Maiden. Thank God!... I'm just steamed the UPS man wated my signature for the KC remaster and I wasnt home.... 1 more day of tortuous wait. I NEED NEW MUSIC! (or at least cleaned up and deluxe packaged music hehe). >It's my impression that Iron Maiden took it about as seriously as >Venom and Slayer (i.e., it's a convenient tool within a genre), and >that it is the fans who over-interpret. I guess the same is true of >BOC to an extent, with die-hards quibbling over whether this or that >song belongs to "The Imaginos Cycle" and where its "correct" place >lies in the running order. Although, with the Imaginos Cycle part of wanting to know the running order of the thing is to know what umm... BOC's epic attempt at a Space Ritual style concept might have looked/sounded like. Also, knowing the way Imaginos was mean to sound restores some of the clarity to what was confused by overdubs and all sorts of horrible legal hoohah. On the most basic of levels, we all know that the order that the songs appear affects they way we dig em or not. Maybe. Either way, to heck with all of this... Bevis Frond in 14 days! Piece of Work in ??? :) (gleeful giggle) Come Together, Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Wed Oct 6 00:23:21 1999 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (Sen. Volstead) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 23:23:21 -0500 Subject: BBC Lyrics vote Message-ID: Dave Greenhalgh wrote: > In this politically correct world we live in (and this one is probably even > valid,) how do we think those openminded soles at the beeb are going to > react to a mass vote for a song containing the lines: > > > > > As you were, still under age, > > My android replica is playing up again, it's no joke, > > When she comes she moans another's name, > Isn't that 'Your' android replica? Because my android replica is perfectly okay, presently in Venezuela signing checks. From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Wed Oct 6 00:20:20 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:20:20 +0900 Subject: BBC Lyrics vote Message-ID: "Sen. Volstead" wrote: > Dave Greenhalgh wrote: > > > In this politically correct world we live in (and this one is probably even > > valid,) how do we think those openminded soles at the beeb are going to > > react to a mass vote for a song containing the lines: > > > > > > > > As you were, still under age, > > > My android replica is playing up again, it's no joke, > > > When she comes she moans another's name, > > > > Isn't that 'Your' android replica? > > Because my android replica is perfectly okay, presently in Venezuela signing > checks. Would you ask it to send mine home, my bank account is running dry. From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Oct 6 00:19:12 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 21:19:12 -0700 Subject: OFF: Camera Obscura tour review (Finally) Message-ID: Thanks for the kind words and fine reviews, Keith! (and - hello I'm back - to everyone else) It was a great experience to play 11 or 12 shows around the northeast with two excellent bands - I cannot praise Overhang Party highly enough, both as musicians and fine human beings. We met a lot of great people, and it was comforting to see a few familiar faces along the way. Thanks especially to - Dan Witt, for recording the show in Minneapolis with Skye Klad (great!) Bob Lennon, for videotaping the Insidious Spectacle despite a flooded home Jim Lascko & Scott for the lightshow at Cleveland - mind-blowing! The musical high point for me probably had to be Grant Richter of F/i playing EMS Synthi with Primordial Undermind for our cover of F/i's "From Poppy With Love", although it was a great privilege to play with Overhang Party in Jersey City/WFMU, Easthampton MA, and California. And to jam with the guys from Salamander, too. It's good to be back, but I'm very tired (even though I've been back a few days). I'm looking forward to hearing reports of next month's Hawkwind shows, and - the First Internet Bank of Hawkwind is again open for business, so anyone in the UK who wants to buy stuff in US$dollars, get in touch with Mike Holmes and myself. One final word - if you ever book a tour for your band or another, take my advice and DON'T schedule 14 nights of performances in a row. Trust me. -Doug ceres at sirius.com On Tue, 5 Oct 1999 13:02:37 -0400, Keith Henderson wrote: > ... Anyway, for those interested, here are >my impressions of the show in Pgh., and my reviews of each group's latest CD >offering. Did anyone else catch this tour? What did you think? From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Wed Oct 6 04:07:47 1999 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:07:47 +0100 Subject: BBC Lyrics vote Message-ID: Mine, yours...it's close! The lyrics do vary slightly from version to version - I was listening to the version from Live '79 (I had it handy) rather than the original - I noticed some other differences but could remember what the original said in those cases. Will the BBC listen? After perfect Day? I don't think so... Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: Sen. Volstead To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 5:23 AM Subject: Re: BBC Lyrics vote > Dave Greenhalgh wrote: > > > In this politically correct world we live in (and this one is probably even > > valid,) how do we think those openminded soles at the beeb are going to > > react to a mass vote for a song containing the lines: > > > > > > > > As you were, still under age, > > > My android replica is playing up again, it's no joke, > > > When she comes she moans another's name, > > > > Isn't that 'Your' android replica? > > Because my android replica is perfectly okay, presently in Venezuela signing > checks. From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Oct 6 06:30:48 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 06:30:48 EDT Subject: OFF: BOC/IM from bob mayo Message-ID: In a message dated 10/5/99 10:32:00 PM, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: << Or are there more than one Bob Mayo? >> ========= indeed there are, comrade... "<>" From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Oct 6 07:39:54 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:39:54 EDT Subject: OFF: Hallo again In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Carl Edlund Anderson > Hi all, > > I've just switched back out of NOMAIL, though since I'm now a mere mortal > with Sssllooww dial-up speeds I'm not sure whether I'll get far beyond > lurking here for the immediate future! Still, good to be back. Good to have ya back! theo From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Wed Oct 6 07:57:19 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:57:19 -0400 Subject: OFF: Looking for Andy Apold Message-ID: Please e-mail me at Russell.J.Hall at lmco.com From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Wed Oct 6 09:22:53 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:22:53 -0400 Subject: BOC, OFF: Blues music, Iron Maiden, BOC lyrics, album covers Message-ID: > << I do know, of course, that the > first few Led Zeppelin albums had a very heavy blues slant to them.>> > ==== > oh i'm such a bastard... > "very heavy blues slant" is a polite way of saying they were > absolutely the > biggest =thieves= of all time, as borne out by royalties subsequently > being > paid to willie dixon. etc. > and then there's always randy california's "taurus" off the first > spirit > lp....say no more. > Well, that may be true - as I said, I'm not up on blues history. On the other hand, it's pretty obvious if you listen to enough blues music that just about any blues song written today is probably a rip-off of an older blues song. I'm not in any way trying to defend Led Zepplin by the way, just making an observation as one who has been listening to (and enjoying) a lot of blues music over the past few years. > Look at Blackblade... this song is good, but it is completely > laughable as > an interpretation of > Elric's tale. Well, Michael Moorcock did supply the lyrics... > At lease IM put -some- effort into capturing the flavor if Frank > Herbert's > "Dune." Yeah, and for their efforts, what did they get? Hebert wouldn't let them call their song "Dune" - so they changed it to "To Tame a Land" > As for Lips... What the hell is that all about anyway? I have > always > considered that to be a "filler" song... > the one ya always skip over when trying to turn someone onto the band. Well, I love this song - of course, the lyrics are Meltzer's, and they were set to a very heavy piece of music that Buck wrote (who says the guy can't write heavy stuff?) with much different lyrics - the tune was called "Hold Me Tight" - I've heard it at "The Museum" and it is interesting to hear this sort of love song lyrics sung by Buck over the killer riff of Lips. Maybe Albert can jump in on how that song came to be...BUT NOT UNTIL HE SHIPS MY COPY OF *PIECE OF WORK*!! ;-) > Compared to some of what BOC was doing in the 80s, "Number > of the Beast" ain't too shabby. Never thought of that - Iron Maiden's instrumentals are probably more lyrically dense than "Beat 'em Up" ;-) (still, despite that, I can tap my foot to it...) > I agree, besides "Seventh Son" is a brilliant concept album even > though it > alienated many of IM's die hard fans for it's use of, amongst other > things, > keyboards . Unfortunately, IMHO, it was also their last good > album. Yeah, it was the last one I bought that I enjoyed. After listening to "No Prayer for the Dying", I never bought another Maiden studio album. As much as I liked "Seventh Son" though, to me it sounded too much like Maiden couldn't come up with any new sounds - sort of like how some folks think that every AC/DC album in the last 15 years sounds the same. > > I've never thought > of them as serious in any respect.Come on, look at their cover art, > that should give it away. You gotta be s**ting me... Ever heard the expression "Never judge a book by it's cover"? Since when did we start judging the seriousness of a rock band (whatever that means) by their album covers? A lot of BOC fans hate the cover of Heaven Forbid, calling it, among other things, "Cheezy" - does that make BOC less "serious"? Metallica sold millions of copies of an album (Load) whose cover art was made when some guy jerked off and mixed the result with pigs blood. How about Sabbath's "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath" album cover? Almost looks like something Spinal Tap might have done. Sorry if that seemed like a rant, but to me, album covers are just artwork that often have little to do with the musical content contained within. Not always of course, but often enough. John From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Oct 6 10:41:19 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:41:19 EDT Subject: HW: covers Message-ID: i shant be a-typin' out the whole thang, but here's the 'relevant' part of a review of aussies the church's appearance last sunday at boston's paradise club from today's BOSTON GLOBE, as writ by the dreaded jim sullivan, bearing the title "rarely letting loose, church lulls its flock" "...the set climaxed with neil young's 'cortez the killer', with its crashing crescendos, and HAWKWIND's 'SILVER MACHINE', a careening space-rock and sound effects boogie in which kilbey and co. shed the introspective aura for good and jumped upon that silver machine, phasers set on stun". ========= used to be a 'boogie' had a stricter definition, once epitomized by canned heat by way of john lee hooker, but no more. by the older definition, "orgone accumulator" was a 'boogie', "la grange" was a 'boogie' (same primary chords for those two, A-C-D) but "silver machine" was not. "silver machine" was 'a rocker in the chuck berry tradition'. but, y'know, now it's only semantics, and that is all.... and having boogied, moves on "<>" From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Wed Oct 6 10:42:13 1999 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (PatrickC) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 00:42:13 +1000 Subject: HW: covers Message-ID: Yeah, The Church have recently released a new album which is entirely covers - the last track being Silver Machine - although I haven't heard it yet due to my money mysterously disappearing when I walk past CD stores having sales. BTW, can anyone tell me if the new `Stonhenge revisited' (I think that is the name - it has most of the Stonhenge gig with Freefall, and other Hawklord stuff thrown in) is worth getting? -Patrick -----Original Message----- From: DASLUD at AOL.COM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Thursday, 7 October 1999 12:42 Subject: HW: covers >i shant be a-typin' out the whole thang, but here's the 'relevant' part of a >review of aussies the church's appearance last sunday at boston's paradise >club from today's BOSTON GLOBE, as writ by the dreaded jim sullivan, bearing >the title "rarely letting loose, church lulls its flock" > >"...the set climaxed with neil young's 'cortez the killer', with its crashing >crescendos, and HAWKWIND's 'SILVER MACHINE', a careening space-rock and sound >effects boogie in which kilbey and co. shed the introspective aura for good >and jumped upon that silver machine, phasers set on stun". >========= >used to be a 'boogie' had a stricter definition, once epitomized by canned >heat by way of john lee hooker, but no more. by the older definition, "orgone >accumulator" was a 'boogie', "la grange" was a 'boogie' (same primary chords >for those two, A-C-D) but "silver machine" was not. "silver machine" was 'a >rocker in the chuck berry tradition'. > >but, y'know, now it's only semantics, and that is all.... >and having boogied, moves on >"<>" > From jgoran at TELEBOT.COM Wed Oct 6 12:38:47 1999 From: jgoran at TELEBOT.COM (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:38:47 +0100 Subject: BOC, OFF: Blues music, Iron Maiden, BOC lyrics, album covers In-Reply-To: <37FB4D28.E27EC204@mitre.org> Message-ID: John A. Swartz wrote in <37FB4D28.E27EC204 at mitre.org>: >Ever heard the expression "Never judge a book by it's cover"? And a man by his clothes? ;-) Anyway, BOC adherence taught me to judge the album by its cover. Examples: average RBN and HF, faceless Mirrors, or cheesy Ninja covers reflect the contents of the albums. >that means) by their album covers? A lot of BOC fans hate the cover of >Heaven Forbid, calling it, among other things, "Cheezy" - does that make >BOC less "serious"? Metallica sold millions of copies of an album I am the one that doesn't like too much the HF, unless the first two numbers. Anyway, the european blond goddess, offering to choose between the word and the sword is much better as a cover. And the bra peeping out of her silk gown makes me laugh. Much better than the eye popping fellow (that is printed on the disk in the euro version). >Sorry if that seemed like a rant, but to me, album covers are just >artwork that often have little to do with the musical content contained >within. Not always of course, but often enough. As I said, the BOC experience taught me to think that way. -- Goran From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Oct 6 11:29:13 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:29:13 -0400 Subject: OFF: Blues music In-Reply-To: <37FB4D28.E27EC204@mitre.org> Message-ID: At 09.22 -0400 99-10-06, John A. Swartz wrote: >On the other hand, it's pretty obvious if you listen to enough blues >music that just about any blues song written today is probably a rip-off >of an older blues song. I'm not in any way trying to defend Led Zepplin >by the way, just making an observation as one who has been listening to >(and enjoying) a lot of blues music over the past few years. Probably any blues song ever written is, to a great extent, a rip-off of another blues song. That's how traditional music works :) This whole originality thing is a weird modern invention. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Wed Oct 6 11:54:56 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Zeitgeist) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 16:54:56 +0100 Subject: HW: The Good Reviews continue Message-ID: Whilst stuck in a tube yesterday I took the opportunity to beat up a Limp Bizkit fan and steal his copy of Metal Hammer. Lo and behold, both Epoch releases were reviewed, and got a stonking 8 out of 10. Where will it end? Me, I'm off to buy a copy of Sheep Shearing Monthly, just in case. SAH NP Uriah Heep - Live 1973 Blessings and peace from all at; Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground - e-zine and freezine http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com alternate url: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van Vliet From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Wed Oct 6 12:07:21 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Zeitgeist) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:07:21 +0100 Subject: OFF: BBC Lyric vote Message-ID: Well I went for the 1st verse of "Take Me With You" by Whitesnake. Sex, drugs and most definitely rock and roll. Ah, to be young and carefree again. SAH NP Trouble - Whitesnake Blessings and peace from all at; Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground - e-zine and freezine http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com alternate url: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van Vliet From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Wed Oct 6 12:16:56 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Zeitgeist) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:16:56 +0100 Subject: OFF: Web Design rates Message-ID: Most freelance work is done on a fixed fee basis, which means that you've got to be quick! The best I've managed was ?3k for a project, which took me a week. If someone wants a piece rate, the standard consultant day rate in London is ?625 per day, but you'll only get that if you're working for an agency, who'll take about half of it, and leave you to pay your own tax, NI etc. For piece work I charge a flat rate of ?22 per hour. But it's all negotiable, and I often work at a loss if I think it could lead to something else. Blessings and peace from all at; Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground - e-zine and freezine http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com alternate url: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van Vliet From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Oct 6 14:52:16 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 19:52:16 +0100 Subject: OT: Queensryche In-Reply-To: <01130144599621@laguna.com.mx> Message-ID: On Sat, 25 Sep 1999, Alex S. Garcia wrote: > > I borrowed _Empire_ from a friend and it quite put me off: seemed > >to me to be sub-_Club Ninja_ ballad metal. Did I just have my head in the > >wrong plane when I listened to it, or is this a matter of fundamental > >taste? > > Whoah ! That's a weird comparison... I'd have to listen to both again, but > "Empire" never struck me as sounding anything like CN. I do like both, but I > think they're quite different. OTOH, "Silent lucidity" reminded me *a lot* > of Pink Floyd (with tracks like "Comfortably numb" or "Hey you"). Possibly one of those discs I should have spun one more time than I did then... Thanks for comment, yours, Jon From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Oct 6 17:11:47 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:11:47 EDT Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 10/2/99 Message-ID: "Space Does Not Care" 10/2/99; 88.3 fm KUCR, 5-8 pst Saturdays 1.The Orb--Plateau (Live '93) 2.Quarkspace--Astral Grinder (Hidden Moon) 3.Hawkwind--Master of the Universe (Space Ritual) 4.Tago Mago--World Wide Wife (Prelude to Afternoon) 5.Can--Fall of Another Year (Unlimited Edition) 6.Helios Creed--"Nugg" the Transport (Activated Condition) 7.F/i--Space Station (Turn Century Turn comp) The Turner-Del Rio-Grenas-Fox Axis Hour (dedicated to that lot) 8.Nik Turner--Dream Worker (Past or Future?) 9.Farflung--Solar Electric/Open Your Mouth (25,000 Ft. per Second) 10.Anubian Lights--One Eye to the Sky (Let Not the Flame Die Out) 11.Pressurehed--The Long Count (Explaining the Unexplained) 12.The Brain--Precambrian Shuffle/Rust (Access and Amplify) 13.Nik Turner--Opa-loka 2000 (Past or Future?) 14.Anubian Lights--Mutashaker (Let Not the Flame Die Out) 15.Zero Gravity--We're Tumbling, End Over End (Space Does Not Care) 16.Saddar Bazaar--Sukoon (Conference of the Birds) 17.Ozric Tentacles-Ayurvedic (Pungent Effulgent) 18.Amon Duul II--Utopia No. 1 (Utopia) 19.Subarachnoid Space--Something Wicked (Delicate Membrane) 20.Tangerine Dream--Rubycon Pt. 2 (Rubycon) 21.Pink Floyd--See Emily Play (Relics) 22.Hawkwind--Lost Chances (Sonic Attack) Any comments or questions are welcome, thanks, Chuck From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Wed Oct 6 21:54:02 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:54:02 +0900 Subject: HW: 30 Year Anthology Message-ID: Is there a supply problem with the big anthology? I thought with all the publicity that is being discussed on this list it must be a major release, but CDZone seem to be having enormous problems getting hold of it. It's been on order for over a month and this morning I got the dreaded "Can't get it" e-mail. Dave From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Wed Oct 6 23:14:16 1999 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (Sen. Volstead) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:14:16 -0500 Subject: BOC, OFF: Blues music, Iron Maiden, BOC lyrics, album covers Message-ID: John A. Swartz wrote: > > << I do know, of course, that the > > first few Led Zeppelin albums had a very heavy blues slant to them.>> > > ==== > > oh i'm such a bastard... > > "very heavy blues slant" is a polite way of saying they were > > absolutely the > > biggest =thieves= of all time, as borne out by royalties subsequently > > being > > paid to willie dixon. etc. > > and then there's always randy california's "taurus" off the first > > spirit > > lp....say no more. > > > > Well, that may be true - as I said, I'm not up on blues history. > > On the other hand, it's pretty obvious if you listen to enough blues > music that just about any blues song written today is probably a rip-off > of an older blues song. I'm not in any way trying to defend Led Zepplin > by the way, just making an observation as one who has been listening to > (and enjoying) a lot of blues music over the past few years. > > > Look at Blackblade... this song is good, but it is completely > > laughable as > > an interpretation of > > Elric's tale. > > Well, Michael Moorcock did supply the lyrics... > > > At lease IM put -some- effort into capturing the flavor if Frank > > Herbert's > > "Dune." > > Yeah, and for their efforts, what did they get? Hebert wouldn't let > them call their song "Dune" - so they changed it to "To Tame a Land" > > > As for Lips... What the hell is that all about anyway? I have > > always > > considered that to be a "filler" song... > > the one ya always skip over when trying to turn someone onto the band. > > Well, I love this song - of course, the lyrics are Meltzer's, and they > were set to a very heavy piece of music that Buck wrote (who says the > guy can't write heavy stuff?) with much different lyrics - the tune was > called "Hold Me Tight" - I've heard it at "The Museum" and it is > interesting to hear this sort of love song lyrics sung by Buck over the > killer riff of Lips. Maybe Albert can jump in on how that song came to > be...BUT NOT UNTIL HE SHIPS MY COPY OF *PIECE OF WORK*!! ;-) > > > Compared to some of what BOC was doing in the 80s, "Number > > of the Beast" ain't too shabby. > > Never thought of that - Iron Maiden's instrumentals are probably more > lyrically dense than "Beat 'em Up" ;-) (still, despite that, I can tap > my foot to it...) > > > I agree, besides "Seventh Son" is a brilliant concept album even > > though it > > alienated many of IM's die hard fans for it's use of, amongst other > > things, > > keyboards . Unfortunately, IMHO, it was also their last good > > album. > > Yeah, it was the last one I bought that I enjoyed. After listening to > "No Prayer for the Dying", I never bought another Maiden studio album. > > As much as I liked "Seventh Son" though, to me it sounded too much like > Maiden couldn't come up with any new sounds - sort of like how some > folks think that every AC/DC album in the last 15 years sounds the same. > > > > > I've never thought > > of them as serious in any respect.Come on, look at their cover art, > > that should give it away. > > You gotta be s**ting me... > > Ever heard the expression "Never judge a book by it's cover"? > > Since when did we start judging the seriousness of a rock band (whatever > that means) by their album covers? A lot of BOC fans hate the cover of > Heaven Forbid, calling it, among other things, "Cheezy" - does that make > BOC less "serious"? Metallica sold millions of copies of an album > (Load) whose cover art was made when some guy jerked off and mixed the > result with pigs blood. How about Sabbath's "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath" > album cover? Almost looks like something Spinal Tap might have done. > > Sorry if that seemed like a rant, but to me, album covers are just > artwork that often have little to do with the musical content contained > within. Not always of course, but often enough. > > John point taken, yes. But Iron Maiden's mascot Eddie, as well as Derek Riggs who did basically all the covers up to "Fear of the Dark", are very integrated with the band. If you were to study their cover art you'd see all sorts of little jokes and references to their older material. Their shows also have ridiculous props that are derived from cover art, including giant puppets that fight with the band members. In fact, I got into Iron Maiden (when I was 11) simply because I loved the picture on the cover of Powerslave. I had never heard them before that, nor did I know anything about them. In the same way I later got into Dio, unfortunately, and even once picked up (for $3) a used ELO record because of the cool spaceship on the cover. They're awful! This shows though that in certain cases, cover art accurately depicts the music contained within. Sabbath Bloody Sabbath has a generic, satanic picture on the cover. And what is the actual song "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath"? A lame, commercialized attempt to point out obvious flaws in Christianity, that's what it is! From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Wed Oct 6 23:25:02 1999 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (Sen. Volstead) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:25:02 -0500 Subject: OFF: Freevibe.com Message-ID: www.freevibe.com This is the stuff legends are made of!! It's a bafflingly stupid anti-drug website aimed at young teens! here's an excerpt: " What are hallucinogens? Hallucinogens, duh, are drugs that make you hallucinate. The most popular are acid and mushrooms. What do they look like? Acid usually comes in the form of a small, saturated piece of paper (a blotter) that users place on the tongue, where it infuses into the blood stream. Mushrooms look like dried mushrooms. (Hey! These aren't the same mushrooms you find on your pizza or in a spinach salad--there are thousands of different kinds of mushrooms. Hallucinogenic mushrooms are unique, and contain a poison which can make you feel "high"--while screwing up your brain.) What do they do? Hallucinogens, duh, make users hallucinate. In other words, the five senses start to play tricks on them, and they lose their sense of time and direction. Users become very strange, and very often violent against themselves or others." From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Oct 7 02:13:32 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 02:13:32 EDT Subject: BOC, OFF: Blues music, Iron Maiden, BOC lyrics, album covers Message-ID: In a message dated 10/7/99 1:50:15 AM, RMayo19761 writes: << oh, my.... how do i get DIRECTLY involved? how do i respond to these folks w/out going thru you (not that i don't appreciate your forwarding my etc etc)? these folks need a good sorting-out. the one, the only bobm >> ========== well, you could either join BOC-L, which is simple though i cant recall offhand (i can get the info for you) or clip addresses off of email and write the individuals. hoo hah! "<>" From novadrive at HOME.COM Thu Oct 7 03:11:59 1999 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 00:11:59 -0700 Subject: Freevibe.com In-Reply-To: <37FC128E.6CBA20BD@softhome.net> Message-ID: I may be getting square or old or something, but I'm all for keeping drugs away from the kiddies. For those of adults, however........ Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu < http://members.home.net/novadrive/> > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Sen. Volstead > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 8:25 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: OFF: Freevibe.com > > > www.freevibe.com > > This is the stuff legends are made of!! It's a bafflingly stupid anti-drug > website aimed at young teens! > > here's an excerpt: > > " What are hallucinogens? > > Hallucinogens, duh, are drugs that make you > hallucinate. The most popular are acid and > mushrooms. > > What do they look like? > > Acid usually comes in the form of a small, saturated > piece of paper (a blotter) that users place on the > tongue, where it infuses into the blood stream. > Mushrooms look like dried mushrooms. (Hey! These > aren't the same mushrooms you find on your pizza or > in a spinach salad--there are thousands of different > kinds of mushrooms. Hallucinogenic mushrooms are > unique, and contain a poison which can make you > feel "high"--while screwing up your brain.) > > What do they do? > > Hallucinogens, duh, make users hallucinate. In other > words, the five senses start to play tricks on them, > and they lose their sense of time and direction. > Users become very strange, and very often violent > against themselves or others." > From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Oct 7 05:48:10 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (rich-l) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:48:10 +0000 Subject: OFF: BOC/IM from bob mayo Message-ID: Sorry... I think I misheard that... "Iron Maiden have always been dead serious about their stuff"..?!!! And here's me thinking Americans had no sense of irony. :-) Cheers, Rich. ---------- >From: DASLUD at AOL.COM >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Subject: OFF: BOC/IM from bob mayo >Date: Tue, Oct 5, 1999, 6:26 pm > > > In a message dated 10/5/99 1:49:19 PM, RMayo19761 writes: > > << re iron maiden vs boc: > one obvious similarity missed in this conversation is that martin birch > produced maiden's 'killers' (and their 1st 10 lps) and boc's 'cultasaurus' > lp, both of which were compared earlier. i wouldn't compare boc and maiden on > any other level than that. certainly not lyrically. > on that score, i've always thought that boc had a lot in common with cheap > trick, beleive it or not, in their knack for operating successfully in a > genre while simultaneously poking fun at it (boc: metal / cheap trick: pop > rock). anyone who takes boc's 'leather/red and black/ww2 conspiracy etc etc.' > stuff 100% seriously should listen to maiden (who've always been dead serious > about their stuff) instead. one has to look for the 'wink' (perhaps in boc's > case a slightly sinister one) in boc's and c. trick's music/lyrics. > or check out judas priest, who didn't have any major success until they > delved into self-parody with '77's 'hell bent for leather'. still great > stuff, but please don't pretend it's all 'for real'. one must maintain one's > sense of perspective. > > rmayo >> > > From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Oct 7 05:50:55 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (rich-l) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:50:55 +0000 Subject: OFF: BOC/IM from bob mayo Message-ID: Was it Wargasm who released "If we had brains we'd be dangerous"? Or was that Impaler..? And Wargasm was "Satan stole my lunch money"? I dunno any more... Cheers, A full of cold Rich. ---------- >From: Keith Henderson >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Subject: Re: OFF: BOC/IM from bob mayo >Date: Wed, Oct 6, 1999, 1:16 am > > lb said... > >>bob mayo: bass/voc for the late speedmetal WARGASM (3 releases 88-95) >>metal historian >>and my pal > > And...uh...wasn't he rhythm guitarist alongside Robbie Blunt on Robert > Plant's first solo tour? > > Or are there more than one Bob Mayo? > > Keith H. (FAA) From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Oct 7 05:54:47 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (rich-l) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:54:47 +0000 Subject: HW: The Good Reviews continue Message-ID: > > Whilst stuck in a tube yesterday I took the opportunity to beat up a Limp > Bizkit fan and steal his copy of Metal Hammer. Lo and behold, both Epoch > releases were reviewed, and got a stonking 8 out of 10. > > Where will it end? Me, I'm off to buy a copy of Sheep Shearing Monthly, > just in case. > Naah - try Potato Business World. Cheers, Rich. (Who used to work on 'Forecourt News - the magazine for the petrol retail industry', and hence has no idea why he's taking the piss out of other peoples' magazines...) From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Oct 7 05:20:47 1999 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 02:20:47 PDT Subject: OFF: Black Sabbath??? (Was OFF: Blues music, etc..) Message-ID: >From: "Sen. Volstead" > >Sabbath Bloody Sabbath has a generic, satanic picture on the cover. And >what is the actual song "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath"? >A lame, commercialized attempt to point out obvious flaws >in Christianity, >that's what it is! Just hold it right there mate! Black Sabbath created some of the finest music (guitar or otherwise) ever known on this earth, SBS included. Yes their lyrics weren't the most intellectually adept (how can this even be a criteria?), but I'd be very interested to know how "commercialized" applies here, whether to the music, the packaging or the words. ee gads man, context, context.... Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 7 06:17:23 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:17:23 +0100 Subject: HW: covers In-Reply-To: PatrickC's message of Thu, 7 Oct 1999 00:42:13 +1000 Message-ID: PatrickC writes: > > BTW, can anyone tell me if the new `Stonhenge revisited' (I think that is > the name - it has most of the Stonhenge gig with Freefall, and other > Hawklord stuff thrown in) is worth getting? Woss this? Any more details? FoFP From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Oct 7 02:36:31 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 06:36:31 +0000 Subject: BOC, OFF: Blues music, Iron Maiden, BOC lyrics, album c Message-ID: > >Sorry if that seemed like a rant, but to me, album covers are just > >artwork that often have little to do with the musical content contained > >within. Not always of course, but often enough. I'll agree. My personal example is Sabbath's "Born Again". The cover is wretched, but I absolutely love this album. Probably not a very popular one overall, though. -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Oct 7 02:36:31 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 06:36:31 +0000 Subject: BOC, OFF: Blues music, Iron Maiden, BOC lyrics, album c Message-ID: > > > I agree, besides "Seventh Son" is a brilliant concept album even > > > though it > > > alienated many of IM's die hard fans for it's use of, amongst other > > > things, > > > keyboards . Unfortunately, IMHO, it was also their last good > > > album. I almost gave up on Maiden after hearing "Somewhere In Time". Then I picked up "Seventh Son" and loved it. That was indeed the last good one, though. But I have to admit, I thought the song "Futureal", off one of the later, non-Dickinson albums, was pretty neat. -- Nick From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Oct 7 07:51:25 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (rich-l) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:51:25 +0000 Subject: BOC, OFF: Blues music, Iron Maiden, BOC lyrics, album c Message-ID: Sadly, I thought "Seventh Son..." was arse. Saw them perform it at Donington and it was bollocks. But then I reckon IM were never as good after Paul DiAnno was kicked out. But in those days everything cost sixpence, was made of wood and lasted forever... :-) Cheers, Rich ---------- >From: "" >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Subject: Re: BOC, OFF: Blues music, Iron Maiden, BOC lyrics, album c >Date: Thu, Oct 7, 1999, 6:36 am > >> > > I agree, besides "Seventh Son" is a brilliant concept album even >> > > though it >> > > alienated many of IM's die hard fans for it's use of, amongst other >> > > things, >> > > keyboards . Unfortunately, IMHO, it was also their last good >> > > album. > > I almost gave up on Maiden after hearing "Somewhere In Time". Then I > picked up "Seventh Son" and loved it. That was indeed the last good > one, though. > > But I have to admit, I thought the song "Futureal", off one of the > later, non-Dickinson albums, was pretty neat. > > -- Nick From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Oct 7 07:16:46 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 07:16:46 EDT Subject: BOC, OFF: Blues music, Iron Maiden, BOC lyrics, album c In-Reply-To: <199910071049.LAA10284@em1.telegraph.co.uk> Message-ID: > From: rich-l > > But in those days everything cost sixpence, was made of wood and lasted > forever... :-) > Great line, Rich! From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Oct 7 07:13:01 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 07:13:01 EDT Subject: HW: The Good Reviews continue Message-ID: In a message dated 10/7/99 4:59:21 AM, rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM writes: << (Who used to work on 'Forecourt News - the magazine for the petrol retail industry', and hence has no idea why he's taking the piss out of other peoples' magazines...) >> ============== in my days as an overnight security guard at ocean spray headquarters i was fond of rooting through the joint and perusing magazines like "american demographics" and, my favorite, "food engineering". .....probably why i got transferred to their bottling plant ^_~ "<>" From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Oct 7 07:18:34 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 07:18:34 EDT Subject: OFF: BOC/IM from bob mayo In-Reply-To: <199910070846.JAA19832@em1.telegraph.co.uk> Message-ID: > From: rich-l > Sorry... I think I misheard that... > > "Iron Maiden have always been dead serious about their stuff"..?!!! And > here's me thinking Americans had no sense of irony. :-) > Don't worry, we don't! theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Oct 7 07:28:52 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 07:28:52 EDT Subject: BOC, OFF: Blues music, Iron Maiden, BOC lyrics, album covers In-Reply-To: <37FC1008.FACD7250@softhome.net> Message-ID: > From: "Sen. Volstead" And what > is the actual song "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath"? A lame, commercialized attempt > to point out obvious flaws in Christianity, that's what it is! Senator, you have a way with words! When are you up for re-election? theo From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Oct 7 07:56:55 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 07:56:55 EDT Subject: BOC, OFF: Blues music, Iron Maiden, BOC lyrics, album covers Message-ID: In a message dated 10/7/99 7:30:11 AM, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: << > From: "Sen. Volstead" And what > is the actual song "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath"? A lame, commercialized attempt > to point out obvious flaws in Christianity, that's what it is! Senator, you have a way with words! When are you up for re-election? theo =============== ....there had been an unusual wait for that particular sab lp at the time it was new (spring '74) silly then, silly now the problem being the extra-sillies who went on to take it seriously.... "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Oct 7 09:08:47 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:08:47 EDT Subject: de=da=duh=D'OH/ bloooooze and thievery Message-ID: In a message dated 10/6/99 11:54:30 AM, cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK writes: << >On the other hand, it's pretty obvious if you listen to enough blues >music that just about any blues song written today is probably a rip-off >of an older blues song. I'm not in any way trying to defend Led Zepplin >by the way, just making an observation as one who has been listening to >(and enjoying) a lot of blues music over the past few years. ===== Probably any blues song ever written is, to a great extent, a rip-off of another blues song. That's how traditional music works :) This whole originality thing is a weird modern invention. Cheers, Carl >> =================== well, let's take it from here then. there's a difference between playing within a genre and literally swiping someone else's song. if you're gonna play a polka or a waltz, there's sh*t that's required to be there in order for the performance to be recognizable as a polka or a waltz. obviously the same goes for the blues. however. in regards to musical thievery, led zeppelin was unmatched, and indefensible. and this isnt big news, y'know, and we're not gonna debate it. well, i'm not anyway. to knowingly give yourself credit for somebody else's song is thievery. how many examples do you want? the fact that there are a zillion songs that sound like "louie louie", "in the still of the night" , "i'm a man/mannish boy" etc. etc. is a different matter. it's like zappa demonstrating the 2 chord progressions which play hundreds of doo-wop songs..... ===== <> says carl. ===== i dont go for the second line, at least as written. in ALL fields, not just in music, clearly ==somebody== creates the archetypes from which what follows, follows. it's the music industry itself that's the "weird modern invention". ^_~ although its origins begin with the "hits" of stephen foster in the mid-19th century. we are now at the beginning of a whole new era as far as "the music industry" is concerned, what with mp3's and such...let's see how things stand in a decade or two... it's true, though, that in the folk songs of centuries past you'll find many instances of one particular tune representing several songs. i bet this holds true around the world. hell, both "the star spangled banner" and "my country tis of thee" are derived from other songs. would you call them "ripped off"? in these cases it has more to do with 'sharing' the song, conveying some sort of =message= with the song, be it a hymn or an olde drinking song...it mattered less that there were only so many tunes to go 'round. and no royalties to fight about. in the context of this discussion "thievery" would involve gain or profit on the part of the thief. and in led zeppelin's case we have returned to the crux of the biscuit. "dazed and confused". "how many more times". "whole lotta love". "the lemon song". "bring it on home". "when the levee breaks". "stairway to heaven". "trampled underfoot". all of these songs owe their existence to, specifically, someone else's song. (as surely as heart's "barracuda" came from "achilles' last stand".) or else it was appropriated altogether. and zeppelin cashed in big time. i wrote over 4 lp's of songs for my 'real' band, mostly alone. i have an idea of what's nicked, what isnt nicked, and what's been disguised. i know what i discarded for sounding too much like something else...and i know where my nicks are too. there are ways and there are ways... but no point in tearin' up zeppelin. who cares now? they were my favorite band in the 7th grade, when the 2nd lp was new. i trust no one's listening enjoyment has been affected by these non-revelations. these however, was the facts as i understand them. ==== and now. a cameo appearance by sir theo: <> theo === see above, milord, for them what was the biggest thieves. the stones? nahhh...an example of a band working within a genre. they did plenty o' covers and credited their originators. "least talented"? umm, well, y'see, their problem is that they STILL havent gone the f*ck away. i acquired some 65-66 live tv stuff of theirs and by golly, they wuz the bawlz, to my surprise. they were writing songs which far outstripped their competition.(and preferable to their blues covers!) it's not an accident they were considered 2nd to the beatles. but remember, before the post-hendrix era of equipment and amplification, all these bands had inferior equipment, no help to bands like the stones or yardbirds, etc etc. ever see the beatles' equipment when they sold out shea stadium? egads...less than what you'd find in a dinky li'l club these days. but nowadays we get too many exercises in/excuses for amplification passing for songs in bands. nah, zztop weren't sued by willie dixon, twas led zep (see above). and i'd call them more genre-oriented than thieving, though we could wonder whether "la grange" was an homage to, or nick at the expense of, john lee hooker. dixon won vs zeppelin too, didnt he? he, or rather his estate (ha! or perhaps his publisher) gets songwriting credits and royalties now on certain songs. as he well deserved. on the other hand, randy california was most gracious about what page nicked from him. i say again, check out "taurus" from the first spirit lp. seeing as the '69 zep was jamming on "fresh-garbage" from the same lp, 'taint no coincience. if you dont know of which i speak, i wont tell you. go hear it for yourself. am i finished now? is there still coffee in the coffee maker? there are ways and there are ways.... "<>" "you are your own censor. if you dont like what i say, you have choice. you can turn me off====" --ALICE COOPER, "lay down and die, goodbye" '70 From sprawl at BBOARD.COM Thu Oct 7 09:16:12 1999 From: sprawl at BBOARD.COM (Sprawl) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:16:12 -0400 Subject: Freevibe.com Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Sommers To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Thursday, October 07, 1999 3:20 AM Subject: Re: Freevibe.com >I may be getting square or old or something, but I'm all for keeping drugs >away from the kiddies. For those of adults, however........ > >Kevin Sommers > >primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu > >< http://members.home.net/novadrive/> Keeping drugs away from children is a great thing. Lying to them about drugs, is not. RJ From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Oct 7 09:23:53 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:23:53 EDT Subject: Freevibe.com Message-ID: In a message dated 10/7/99 9:18:41 AM, sprawl at BBOARD.COM writes: << >I may be getting square or old or something, but I'm all for keeping drugs >away from the kiddies. For those of adults, however........ > >Kevin Sommers >> somehow i'm reminded of that old criticism "if marijuana doesnt cause brain damage, why do so many people listen to hawkwind? "<>" From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Oct 7 10:08:31 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:08:31 -0400 Subject: BOC: Lyric discussions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Oct 1999, Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 wrote: => > From: DASLUD at AOL.COM => => > In a message dated 10/5/99 8:43:14 AM, jswartz at MITRE.ORG writes: => > => > << I do know, of course, that the => > first few Led Zeppelin albums had a very heavy blues slant to them.>> => > ==== => > oh i'm such a bastard... => > "very heavy blues slant" is a polite way of saying they were absolutely the => > biggest =thieves= of all time, as borne out by royalties subsequently being => > paid to willie dixon. etc. => > and then there's always randy california's "taurus" off the first spirit => > lp....say no more. => => You are so right! Rolling Stones being perhaps the biggest thieves => of all time--and the least talented. Pains me to say it, but ZZ Top => are plagiarizing bastards too. Weren't they the band that Willie => Dixon sued? I always figured that had something to do with the => absence of a ZZT boxed set... No, Willie Dixon successfully sued Led Zeppelin. Listen to his "You Need Love" (e.g., as performed by Muddy Waters) and their huge hit "Whole Lotta Love" from _Led Zeppelin II_ and tell me he doesn't have a cast-iron case. :-) The big difference between Led Zeppelin and the like of the Rolling Stones is that the Rolling Stones were explicitly doing blues covers (at least in their early days) and were crediting them as such. But, with Led Zeppelin, they took the heinous step of crediting themselves as the authors of the tunes. (Subsequent to the lawsuits, I believe the original authors also are credited---rightly so!) Even "trad., arr. Led Zeppelin" would've been better than what they did. I like their music, but stealing other people's credit fairly stinks. Cheers, Paul. NP: Willie Dixon, _The Chess Box, Disc 2_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I don't live today; maybe tomorrow..." --- James Marshall Hendrix From wcarter1 at OSF1.GMU.EDU Thu Oct 7 10:11:40 1999 From: wcarter1 at OSF1.GMU.EDU (Killing Joke) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:11:40 -0400 Subject: de=da=duh=D'OH/ bloooooze and thievery In-Reply-To: <0.f14d9075.252df55f@aol.com> Message-ID: I think Aristophanes (I think it's him, but don't hold me to that..) once said..."there is nothing new under the sun, only new ways of saying it.." -bill On Thu, 7 Oct 1999 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 10/6/99 11:54:30 AM, cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK writes: > > << >On the other hand, it's pretty obvious if you listen to enough blues > >music that just about any blues song written today is probably a rip-off > >of an older blues song. I'm not in any way trying to defend Led Zepplin > >by the way, just making an observation as one who has been listening to > >(and enjoying) a lot of blues music over the past few years. > ===== > Probably any blues song ever written is, to a great extent, a rip-off of > another blues song. That's how traditional music works :) This whole > originality thing is a weird modern invention. > > Cheers, > Carl > >> > =================== > well, let's take it from here then. > > there's a difference between playing within a genre and literally swiping > someone else's song. if you're gonna play a polka or a waltz, there's sh*t > that's required to be there in order for the performance to be recognizable > as a polka or a waltz. > obviously the same goes for the blues. > however. > in regards to musical thievery, led zeppelin was unmatched, and indefensible. > and this isnt big news, y'know, and we're not gonna debate it. well, i'm not > anyway. > to knowingly give yourself credit for somebody else's song is thievery. how > many examples do you want? > the fact that there are a zillion songs that sound like "louie louie", "in > the still of the night" , "i'm a man/mannish boy" etc. etc. is a different > matter. it's like zappa demonstrating the 2 chord progressions which play > hundreds of doo-wop songs..... > ===== > < originality thing is a weird modern invention.>> > says carl. > ===== > i dont go for the second line, at least as written. in ALL fields, not just > in music, clearly ==somebody== creates the archetypes from which what > follows, follows. it's the music industry itself that's the "weird modern > invention". ^_~ although its origins begin with the "hits" of stephen foster > in the mid-19th century. we are now at the beginning of a whole new era as > far as "the music industry" is concerned, what with mp3's and such...let's > see how things stand in a decade or two... > > it's true, though, that in the folk songs of centuries past you'll find many > instances of one particular tune representing several songs. i bet this holds > true around the world. hell, both "the star spangled banner" and "my country > tis of thee" are derived from other songs. would you call them "ripped off"? > in these cases it has more to do with 'sharing' the song, conveying some sort > of =message= with the song, be it a hymn or an olde drinking song...it > mattered less that there were only so many tunes to go 'round. and no > royalties to fight about. > > in the context of this discussion "thievery" would involve gain or profit on > the part of the thief. and in led zeppelin's case we have returned to the > crux of the biscuit. > "dazed and confused". "how many more times". "whole lotta love". "the lemon > song". > "bring it on home". "when the levee breaks". "stairway to heaven". "trampled > underfoot". all of these songs owe their existence to, specifically, someone > else's song. (as surely as heart's "barracuda" came from "achilles' last > stand".) or else it was appropriated altogether. and zeppelin cashed in big > time. > > i wrote over 4 lp's of songs for my 'real' band, mostly alone. i have an idea > of what's nicked, what isnt nicked, and what's been disguised. i know what i > discarded for sounding too much like something else...and i know where my > nicks are too. > there are ways and there are ways... > but no point in tearin' up zeppelin. who cares now? they were my favorite > band in the 7th grade, when the 2nd lp was new. i trust no one's listening > enjoyment has been affected by these non-revelations. these however, was the > facts as i understand them. > ==== > and now. a cameo appearance by sir theo: > > < of all time--and the least talented. Pains me to say it, but ZZ Top > are plagiarizing bastards too. Weren't they the band that Willie > Dixon sued? I always figured that had something to do with the > absence of a ZZT boxed set...>> > theo > === > see above, milord, for them what was the biggest thieves. the stones? > nahhh...an example of a band working within a genre. they did plenty o' > covers and credited their originators. > "least talented"? umm, well, y'see, their problem is that they STILL havent > gone the f*ck away. i acquired some 65-66 live tv stuff of theirs and by > golly, they wuz the bawlz, to my surprise. they were writing songs which far > outstripped their competition.(and preferable to their blues covers!) it's > not an accident they were considered 2nd to the beatles. > but remember, before the post-hendrix era of equipment and amplification, all > these bands had inferior equipment, no help to bands like the stones or > yardbirds, etc etc. ever see the beatles' equipment when they sold out shea > stadium? egads...less than what you'd find in a dinky li'l club these days. > but nowadays we get too many exercises in/excuses for amplification passing > for songs in bands. > > nah, zztop weren't sued by willie dixon, twas led zep (see above). and i'd > call them more genre-oriented than thieving, though we could wonder whether > "la grange" was an homage to, or nick at the expense of, john lee hooker. > dixon won vs zeppelin too, didnt he? he, or rather his estate (ha! or perhaps > his publisher) gets songwriting credits and royalties now on certain songs. > as he well deserved. > on the other hand, randy california was most gracious about what page nicked > from him. i say again, check out "taurus" from the first spirit lp. seeing as > the '69 zep was jamming on "fresh-garbage" from the same lp, 'taint no > coincience. if you dont know of which i speak, i wont tell you. go hear it > for yourself. > am i finished now? is there still coffee in the coffee maker? > > there are ways and there are ways.... > > "<>" > > "you are your own censor. > if you dont like what i say, you have choice. > you can turn me off====" > --ALICE COOPER, "lay down and die, goodbye" '70 > From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Thu Oct 7 11:16:14 1999 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (PatrickC) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 01:16:14 +1000 Subject: HW: covers Message-ID: I just had another look at it today - it is called `This is Hawkwind do not panic - Stonehenge' but it is dated 1999 from the Griffin label - and looks either new or remastered (as often these things do). I'll probably just go in and buy the bloody thing and shut up about it;-) -----Original Message----- From: M Holmes To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Thursday, 7 October 1999 8:19 Subject: Re: HW: covers >PatrickC writes: >> >> BTW, can anyone tell me if the new `Stonhenge revisited' (I think that is >> the name - it has most of the Stonhenge gig with Freefall, and other >> Hawklord stuff thrown in) is worth getting? > >Woss this? Any more details? > >FoFP > From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Thu Oct 7 11:19:15 1999 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (PatrickC) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 01:19:15 +1000 Subject: Freevibe.com Message-ID: For living proof of the below comment point your large clicking device to www.hightimes.com and follow the links to the Top 100 voted favourite stoner things and lo and behold Hawkwind makes No. 16 - the top band apart from Phish. Proof of either brain damage or that Hawkwind are on the right wavelegnth. -Patrick -----Original Message----- From: DASLUD at AOL.COM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Thursday, 7 October 1999 11:35 Subject: Re: Freevibe.com >In a message dated 10/7/99 9:18:41 AM, sprawl at BBOARD.COM writes: > ><< > >>I may be getting square or old or something, but I'm all for keeping drugs > >>away from the kiddies. For those of adults, however........ > >> > >>Kevin Sommers > > >> > >somehow i'm reminded of that old criticism "if marijuana doesnt cause brain >damage, why do so many people listen to hawkwind? > >"<>" > From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Thu Oct 7 11:49:11 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Zeitgeist) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 16:49:11 +0100 Subject: HW: Is there no end to the good reviews? Message-ID: Honestly, it's getting a bit embarrassing. The October issue of Uncut gave "Epoch" the full *****. My theory is that HW have bought all this publicity, and are now trying to get a wedge back by charging ?19.50 a pop to see them. Have they finally succumbed to capitalism? The world waits with baited breath. Blessings and peace from all at; Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground - e-zine and freezine http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com alternate url: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van Vliet From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Thu Oct 7 11:48:16 1999 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (PatrickC) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 01:48:16 +1000 Subject: HW: Is there no end to the good reviews? Message-ID: All I can add to that is that I'm glad that HW are getting more exposure - even if it is to up the concert charges - a I am waiting for the day when HW will be playing on radio and people actual listening to decent music with merit for a change. -Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Zeitgeist To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Friday, 8 October 1999 1:47 Subject: HW: Is there no end to the good reviews? >Honestly, it's getting a bit embarrassing. > >The October issue of Uncut gave "Epoch" the full *****. > >My theory is that HW have bought all this publicity, and are now trying to >get a wedge back by charging ?19.50 a pop to see them. > >Have they finally succumbed to capitalism? > >The world waits with baited breath. > > > > > >Blessings and peace from all at; >Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground - e-zine and freezine >http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com alternate url: >http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot >PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK >"The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world >touches too hard" Don Van Vliet > From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Oct 7 12:05:02 1999 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:05:02 EDT Subject: HW: Is there no end to the good reviews? Message-ID: In a message dated 99-10-07 11:47:55 EDT, you write: << My theory is that HW have bought all this publicity, and are now trying to get a wedge back by charging ?19.50 a pop to see them. >> Still the best bargain in town! regards, Bill Stewart From Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Oct 7 12:10:48 1999 From: Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK (Neil Ward) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:10:48 +0100 Subject: HW: Is there no end to the good reviews? Message-ID: Could those folks who keep copies on their websites please email me for updates? They have been updated to include: The two Strange Daze CDs Hawkwind 1997 Codename hawkwind Volume 1 Dawn of Hawkwind The two Epoch collections A couple of other collections FoFP From bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET Thu Oct 7 12:55:16 1999 From: bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:55:16 -0400 Subject: HW: 30 Year Anthology In-Reply-To: <37FBFD3A.299564BB@virgin.net> Message-ID: Dave wrote: >Is there a supply problem with the big anthology? I thought >with all the publicity that is being discussed on this list >it must be a major release, but CDZone seem to be having >enormous problems getting hold of it. It's been on order >for over a month and this morning I got the dreaded "Can't >get it" e-mail. I've been having the same problems with CDUniverse. I ordered it September 3, but I haven't received the "Can't get it" e-mail yet. They do have the one disk best-of in low stock apparently. Brian From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Oct 7 12:12:29 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:12:29 -0400 Subject: de=da=duh=D'OH/ bloooooze and thievery In-Reply-To: <0.f14d9075.252df55f@aol.com> Message-ID: At 09.08 -0400 99-10-07, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: >In a message dated 10/6/99 11:54:30 AM, cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK writes: >>That's how traditional music works :) This whole >>originality thing is a weird modern invention.>> > > i dont go for the second line, at least as written. in ALL fields, not just >in music, clearly ==somebody== creates the archetypes from which what >follows, follows. it's the music industry itself that's the "weird modern >invention". ^_~ although its origins begin with the "hits" of stephen foster >in the mid-19th century. >it's true, though, that in the folk songs of centuries past you'll find many >instances of one particular tune representing several songs. i bet this holds >true around the world. hell, both "the star spangled banner" and "my country >tis of thee" are derived from other songs. would you call them "ripped off"? >in these cases it has more to do with 'sharing' the song, conveying some sort >of =message= with the song, be it a hymn or an olde drinking song...it >mattered less that there were only so many tunes to go 'round. and no >royalties to fight about. Well, the use of the term "ripped off" itself implies fairly modern concepts of intellectual property rights. In many performance contexts, each performance was itself a recomposition. A simple analogy has the performer working from musical "templates", and moreover, if the performer hears new material that he likes he incorporates it into his own repetoire and proceeds to (consciously or unconsciously) alter it to his liking--change the words, change the tune, etc. That applied not just to music, but to things like the written word as well. You had a book you liked, you would happily copy bits of it wholesale into your own new improved version with or without attribution. By our standards, this is ripping things off. By their standards it was just doing business as usual. >in the context of this discussion "thievery" would involve gain or profit on >the part of the thief. and in led zeppelin's case we have returned to the >crux of the biscuit. >"dazed and confused". "how many more times". "whole lotta love". "the lemon >song". >"bring it on home". "when the levee breaks". "stairway to heaven". "trampled >underfoot". all of these songs owe their existence to, specifically, someone >else's song. (as surely as heart's "barracuda" came from "achilles' last >stand".) or else it was appropriated altogether. and zeppelin cashed in big >time. No doubt about it. However, it is not always possible to know whose song, really, it was that Zep ripped off. Plenty of trad material--including blues--is currently copyrighted to the first person who happened to record it. The nature of traditional material is that it may or may not represent varying degrees of a performers composition and of pre-existing material. To a great extent, Zep were only doing what generations of musicians before them had done. They were doing what most of the "Blues Fathers" had probably done themselves: combining stuff they heard with stuff they made up. However, by doing so they violated copyright laws that had not been in force a century before--and that's the chief difference. Note, I'm not discussing whether what they did was right or not--that's a legal and social issue determined by other factors. I'm only discussing the process. Wearing my folklorists hat, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Oct 7 10:22:57 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:22:57 -0400 Subject: bloooooze and thievery Message-ID: Paul said... >=> You are so right! Rolling Stones being perhaps the biggest thieves >=> of all time--and the least talented. Pains me to say it, but ZZ Top >=> are plagiarizing bastards too. Weren't they the band that Willie >=> Dixon sued? I always figured that had something to do with the >=> absence of a ZZT boxed set... > >No, Willie Dixon successfully sued Led Zeppelin. Listen to his "You >Need Love" (e.g., as performed by Muddy Waters) and their huge hit >"Whole Lotta Love" from _Led Zeppelin II_ and tell me he doesn't have >a cast-iron case. :-) > >The big difference between Led Zeppelin and the like of the Rolling >Stones is that the Rolling Stones were explicitly doing blues covers >(at least in their early days) and were crediting them as such. But, >with Led Zeppelin, they took the heinous step of crediting themselves >as the authors of the tunes. (Subsequent to the lawsuits, I believe >the original authors also are credited---rightly so!) > >Even "trad., arr. Led Zeppelin" would've been better than what they >did. I like their music, but stealing other people's credit fairly >stinks. (To start, how do you steal 'fairly'?) :) But anyway, I have to forgive Zeppelin their transgressions in this department compared to other artists in more recent times that IMHO have done worse things, while *not* trying to steal credit. I mean, those that build careers upon the backs of others' classic tunes they've covered for no reason whatsoever. OK, in the old days, performing artists didn't necessarily create their own tunes. And of course, that's why popular music before the late sixties generally sucks. :) But there are some famous artists/bands in the 70s, 80s, and 90s (when original songwriting *has* mattered) that haven't really done a damn thing to warrant any notice at all. George Thorogood is the most obvious culprit. Maybe Carl's right and you can't write any original blues songs, but I don't think George has ever tried. I'm sure he credits all the people who wrote those songs, and money must certainly go back to the original songwriters (or their heirs), but why does he even exist in the first place? He's added nothing to the rock/blues music library IMHO. Same with Brian Setzer. And I'd throw the Black Crowes in there also. Stupid nostalgia trips for the Pavlovian masses that are too ignorant to know how worthless their 'modern' music is. Actually, their fans are worse than the artists who take advantage of them. You can call them all 'parrotheads' I suppose, whether or not they listen to Jimmy Buffett...same small-brained people without even the advantages of binocular vision. At least Led Zeppelin stole only the 'song'...what they created from it was so totally different from anything previous, that in this case (and perhaps *only* this case) I believe the arrangement and performance style of the tunes ('Whole Lotta Love' or anything from the first two albums) outweigh the tunes themselves. (Though that doesn't mean they shouldn't have paid Dixon, of course.) Anyway, exactly the opposite of what the other losers I mentioned have done. Built careers (fairly) while contributing absolutely nothing. There should be a limit now on how many songs you can cover in a given career. Like two perhaps. Linda Ronstadt - violation! Van Halen - bzzzzzzz! Lenny Kravitz - Warning!! ObOnTopic point...Take Dave Brock's Illusions (c. '67) that became HW's 'Mirror of Illusions' ('70) that became 'Mask of Morning' ('92). After twenty-five years, I'd say that Brock had written an entirely different song by that point. So I'd have forgiven him if he'd recredited the writing to Sean McManus, or even George Spelvin. And look, total # of Hawkwind covers in 30 years, two. And one was really pre-Hawkwind and the other for charity purposes. Hence, no violation! Total self-plagiarized Hawkwind tunes...well, we won't get into that, will we? :) I like to keep things black and white, but in these situations, I see a lot of gray. I'll take a plagiarizing bastard that has creativity over a law-abiding mimicker that prays upon public ignorance anyday. "I'm your Venus, I'm your fire...." (Let's wait until the kids are too young to remember this one!) Keith H. (FAA) From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Oct 7 14:04:14 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:04:14 -0400 Subject: de=da=duh=D'OH/ bloooooze and thievery In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Oct 1999, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: (First of all, welcome back!) => Well, the use of the term "ripped off" itself implies fairly modern => concepts of intellectual property rights. In many performance contexts, => each performance was itself a recomposition. A simple analogy has the => performer working from musical "templates", and moreover, if the performer => hears new material that he likes he incorporates it into his own repetoire => and proceeds to (consciously or unconsciously) alter it to his => liking--change the words, change the tune, etc. That applied not just to => music, but to things like the written word as well. You had a book you => liked, you would happily copy bits of it wholesale into your own new => improved version with or without attribution. => => By our standards, this is ripping things off. By their standards it was => just doing business as usual. Carl, as an academic, you should know that what Zeppelin did was a textbook case of plagiarism. No ifs, ands, or buts... => No doubt about it. However, it is not always possible to know whose song, => really, it was that Zep ripped off. Plenty of trad material--including => blues--is currently copyrighted to the first person who happened to record => it. The nature of traditional material is that it may or may not represent => varying degrees of a performers composition and of pre-existing material. It's the "varying degrees" bit that is the key here. If you put out a song that has the same title, same lyrics, and same music as one done by someone previously, but put it out under your own name, that's not "incorporating it to varying degrees" or however you might excuse it. It's just plain stealing---more so when you do it knowingly. Even people who have drastically re-worked old songs, e.g., the Allman Brothers Band's version of Blind Willie McTell's "Statesboro Blues," have the honesty to credit the original source, even if the resemblence to the original is slight. (Although their version is derived more from Taj Mahall's cover than McTell's...) Similarly in academia, even though you may synthesise many other people's ideas (maybe radically so), you always cite their works, acknowledging the influence and input to your own... ...unless your name is Led Zeppelin... >;-) => To a great extent, Zep were only doing what generations of musicians before => them had done. They were doing what most of the "Blues Fathers" had => probably done themselves: combining stuff they heard with stuff they made => up. However, by doing so they violated copyright laws that had not been in => force a century before--and that's the chief difference. Note, I'm not => discussing whether what they did was right or not--that's a legal and => social issue determined by other factors. I'm only discussing the process. I would believe that a lot more had Led Zeppelin originated their material in the nascent field of the blues pioneers. But since they got their's second-hand, through *recordings* (and, in some cases, with members---e.g., Page---*playing* with some of the forerunners involved), it's difficult for me to believe they had a hard time attributing the source of "You Shook Me," "I Can't Quit You Baby," etc. At least in the case of the early blues pioneers there was a shortage of extant recordings to document claims. There is a big (noticeable) difference between using "an Elmore James riff" or "the Bo Diddley beat" and stealing a Willie Dixon song. At least the courts thought so. :-) The big irony, I find, is that Zeppelin themselves cried into their beer about people "stealing" their songs, notably that first Kingdom Come album which stank of Zeppelin. (Never heard the album, but I did hear one track once which was a dead ringer for "Kashmir.") Obviously, turnabout is *not* fair play. :-) Cheers, Paul. NP: The Bevis Frond, _New River Head_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I don't live today; maybe tomorrow..." --- James Marshall Hendrix From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Oct 7 14:37:00 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:37:00 EDT Subject: de=da=duh=D'OH/ bloooooze and thievery In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Paul Mather > > => To a great extent, Zep were only doing what generations of musicians before > => them had done. They were doing what most of the "Blues Fathers" had > => probably done themselves: combining stuff they heard with stuff they made > => up. However, by doing so they violated copyright laws that had not been in > => force a century before--and that's the chief difference. Note, I'm not > => discussing whether what they did was right or not--that's a legal and > => social issue determined by other factors. I'm only discussing the process. > > I would believe that a lot more had Led Zeppelin originated their > material in the nascent field of the blues pioneers. But since they got > their's second-hand, through *recordings* (and, in some cases, with > members---e.g., Page---*playing* with some of the forerunners involved), > it's difficult for me to believe they had a hard time attributing the > source of "You Shook Me," "I Can't Quit You Baby," etc. At least in the > case of the early blues pioneers there was a shortage of extant > recordings to document claims. > And remember too, that Page had an extensive background as a studio musician before he joined the Yardbirds. Surely he knew the ins and outs of copyright, and simply chose to ignore them. Probably figured nobody would notice, or that the original writers lacked either the resolve or resources to question what LZ was doing. Whatever the rationale, what Page/LZ did was outrageous... th?o From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Thu Oct 7 16:38:47 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 21:38:47 +0100 Subject: OFF: Blues music In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 11:29 06.10.1999 -0400, Carl wrote: >At 09.22 -0400 99-10-06, John A. Swartz wrote: >>On the other hand, it's pretty obvious if you listen to enough blues >>music that just about any blues song written today is probably a rip-off >>of an older blues song. I'm not in any way trying to defend Led Zepplin >>by the way, just making an observation as one who has been listening to >>(and enjoying) a lot of blues music over the past few years. > >Probably any blues song ever written is, to a great extent, a rip-off of >another blues song. That's how traditional music works :) This whole >originality thing is a weird modern invention. > >Cheers, >Carl Welcome back pal...I blame Schoenberg myself.... ChrisW "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET Thu Oct 7 15:59:04 1999 From: bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 15:59:04 -0400 Subject: HW: 30 Year Anthology In-Reply-To: <4.1.19991007125253.0094d990@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Well, wouldn't you know. Right after I say I'm having problems getting the CDs, CDUniverse writes me and tells me they're on their way! Honestly, does someone here work for them? ;-) Brian >Dave wrote: >>Is there a supply problem with the big anthology? I thought >>with all the publicity that is being discussed on this list >>it must be a major release, but CDZone seem to be having >>enormous problems getting hold of it. It's been on order >>for over a month and this morning I got the dreaded "Can't >>get it" e-mail. > >I've been having the same problems with CDUniverse. I >ordered it September 3, but I haven't received the "Can't >get it" e-mail yet. They do have the one disk best-of in >low stock apparently. > >Brian From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 7 16:23:32 1999 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 21:23:32 +0100 Subject: de=da=duh=D'OH/ bloooooze and thievery In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 19:04 07/10/99 , Paul Mather wrote: >On Thu, 7 Oct 1999, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > >(First of all, welcome back!) Yep, good to have you back here (or back there, or whereever). >=> Well, the use of the term "ripped off" itself implies fairly modern >=> concepts of intellectual property rights. You're arguing from a folklorist p-o-v, but what about classical music -- say one of Beethoven's string quartets? His authorship has stood the test of time. And similar examples persist from the 15th Century. >=> By our standards, this is ripping things off. By their standards it was >=> just doing business as usual. > >Carl, as an academic, you should know that what Zeppelin did was a >textbook case of plagiarism. "But please, to call it .... research" (Tom Lehrer). Dave. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Oct 7 16:56:39 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 16:56:39 -0400 Subject: de=da=duh=D'OH/ bloooooze and thievery In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 14.04 -0400 99-10-07, Paul Mather wrote: >On Thu, 7 Oct 1999, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > >(First of all, welcome back!) Glad to be here. >Carl, as an academic, you should know that what Zeppelin did was a >textbook case of plagiarism. No ifs, ands, or buts... Of course it is plagarism. What I'm saying is that what we call plagarism used to be the rule rather than the shady exception. We in the modern world, accustomed to copyright and authorship etc., look down on nicking someone else's ideas and mucking around with them. Busting counterfeit Pokemon merch is a big concern. This kind of thinking didn't used to apply. >It's the "varying degrees" bit that is the key here. If you put out a >song that has the same title, same lyrics, and same music as one done by >someone previously, but put it out under your own name, that's not >"incorporating it to varying degrees" or however you might excuse it. >It's just plain stealing---more so when you do it knowingly. But it only matters that it's stealing *now*. It only matters because we attach moral and monetary value to intellectual ownership. For, say, a performer in an oral society in which intellectual ownership has little meaning, what we call "stealing" and "plagarism" is standard practice. >I would believe that a lot more had Led Zeppelin originated their >material in the nascent field of the blues pioneers. But since they got >their's second-hand, through *recordings* (and, in some cases, with >members---e.g., Page---*playing* with some of the forerunners involved), >it's difficult for me to believe they had a hard time attributing the >source of "You Shook Me," "I Can't Quit You Baby," etc. At least in the >case of the early blues pioneers there was a shortage of extant >recordings to document claims. Well, this is actually a big issue in current folklore studies: can we talk about transmission of traditions in situations like this? What does it mean to learn da blues from yer pappy compared with learning them from your pappy's old 78s? The thing is, that traditional elements in our own society/societies have changed so dramatically since the Industrial Revolution that we haven't got enough data points. One of the defining features of living traditions is that they are always evolving--so was Led Zeppelin just part of blues evolution (running afoul of modern copyright law in the process ;) ?? Whether or not Zeppelin deliberately evaded attribution is not really what I'm thinking about--that's an issue of legal definition which isn't really connected with the processes at work. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Oct 7 17:09:15 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:09:15 -0400 Subject: de=da=duh=D'OH/ bloooooze and thievery In-Reply-To: <4.1.19991007212018.00960af0@pophost.tardis.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 21.23 +0100 99-10-07, Dave Berry wrote: >You're arguing from a folklorist p-o-v, but what about classical music -- >say one of Beethoven's string quartets? His authorship has stood the test >of time. And similar examples persist from the 15th Century. Sure--there's no fast and hard rule about where and when people started caring more about these issues. Even within a given society, authorship might be commonly attriubuted in one genre of entertainment while not another. Yet by modern lights, there can be no "traditional" compositions--everything *must* have had an author even if we don't know who it is. The issue is how much people care about knowing who the author is and crediting them. An early blues recording artist might have known he learned such and such a song from such and such a person. Did that teacher compose the song entirely or in part, or did they learn it from someone else? Did the recording artist know? Who wrote it first? Of course, these issues were largely brushed by at the time and generally the composition was copyrighted to the performer whether or not they and actually composed it (entirely or in part). As for classical composers--well, everytime one did a little minuet based on some "folk melody" they heard, did he attempt to attribute it? ;) I emphasize that I'm not discussing whether Zeppelin did with the blues songs they ripped off was legally or morally correct, I'm simply suggesting that it was probably pretty similar to the sorts of things pre-recording blues performers did all the time. I think it's an interesting example of how our society's views have changed. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Oct 7 17:50:49 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:50:49 -0400 Subject: de=da=duh=D'OH/ bloooooze and thievery In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Oct 1999, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: => I emphasize that I'm not discussing whether Zeppelin did with the blues => songs they ripped off was legally or morally correct, I'm simply suggesting => that it was probably pretty similar to the sorts of things pre-recording => blues performers did all the time. I think it's an interesting example of => how our society's views have changed. I see what you're getting at, now. But the important thing to note is that Zeppelin were *not* "pre-recording blues performers," so it is unfair to judge them by those societal norms, which had---by your own admission---drastically changed by then. So I don't see how they can adopt this cultural defence, because when they were ripping off songs, eveybody played by different rules and knew the game. Hell, their manager, Peter Grant, was a notorious protector of Zeppelin's own "intellectual property," so it's not as if this was a foreign milieu to them. Maybe (being extra generous) they didn't *think* they were plagiarising anyone (just "borrowing" instead), but I think that is unlikely, and sheer hubris on their part. Cheers, Paul. NP: Howlin' Wolf, _The Chess Box_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I don't live today; maybe tomorrow..." --- James Marshall Hendrix From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Oct 7 16:53:03 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 16:53:03 -0400 Subject: HW: New Cleo Box Message-ID: Hi Folks... Just saw that Cleopatra has packaged up another 'closeout' box of Hawkwind-related discs. This one includes the Nik Turner Sphynx, Spiral Realms' Crystal Jungles of Eos, Robert Calvert's Freq, and the Psychedelic Warlords compilation. As much as these things are kinda bogus and unecessary, I still rather like this idea. I mean, they're usually cheap (around $20 for 4 discs) and if you've got one or two already, it gives you an excuse to pass along some things to friends...trade material at least. And it doesn't do anybody any good to have overstock sitting in Cleo's warehouse in California. Anyway, that's what this thing is if you see it in a catalog or in a store's boxset case (usu. locked). Keith H. (FAA) From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri Oct 8 18:55:46 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 23:55:46 +0100 Subject: Freevibe.com In-Reply-To: <002401bf10c6$35e17400$8ea58fcc@sprawl> Message-ID: At 09:16 07.10.1999 -0400, you wrote: >-----Original Message----- >From: Kevin Sommers >Subject: Re: Freevibe.com > >>I may be getting square or old or something, but I'm all for keeping drugs >>away from the kiddies. For those of adults, however........ >> >>Kevin Sommers >> >Keeping drugs away from children is a great thing. >Lying to them about drugs, is not. >RJ Amen to that: while I'm by no means a walking pharmacopoeia, I know enough to recognize the many downright lies told by these "moral crusaders". I could rightly be accused of having been irresponsible on occasion, but I am still perfectly capable of carrying out my work in (sometimes) very high pressure environments where system downtime can be costed in 7 figures. I fear the ignorance and misinformation that I feel endangers my children as much as it "protects" them - and hope they have the sense to ask me meaningful questions when the time comes. Rant over. ChrisW P.S. Cross your fingers for me folks...interview tomorrow! "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Oct 7 19:01:45 1999 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trevor thoms) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 16:01:45 PDT Subject: Judge Trev sings Message-ID: Judge Trev will be appearing every fri at the Bird Cage 58 Stamford Hill, London. Free! Last fri was a good one. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Oct 7 19:15:21 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 19:15:21 EDT Subject: de=da=duh=D'OH/ bloooooze and thievery Message-ID: In a message dated 10/7/99 5:10:00 PM, cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK writes: << I emphasize that I'm not discussing whether Zeppelin did with the blues songs they ripped off was legally or morally correct, I'm simply suggesting that it was probably pretty similar to the sorts of things pre-recording blues performers did all the time. I think it's an interesting example of how our society's views have changed. ========= no! it's not any kinda matter of societal evolution! why are you giving these guys the least benefit of the doubt?! pre-recording era blues performers woulda been happy to add to their repitoire at any opportunity, no doubt. but zeppelin stole. and profited from it. jeez carl, you insult those guys by the comparison. why didnt every last one of zeppelin's peers do the same? because zeppelin were the most audacious about it. and=they=knew=it. this was not any sort of gesture with the anthropological analogues over time that you're saying it is. zeppelin stole other people's songs and took credit for them. there are =absolutely= anthropological analogues shot through this topic, but in this case, zeppelin stole. enough already. "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Oct 7 19:21:54 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 19:21:54 EDT Subject: de=da=duh=D'OH/ bloooooze and thievery Message-ID: In a message dated 10/7/99 5:10:05 PM, cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK writes: << Whether or not Zeppelin deliberately evaded attribution is not really what I'm thinking about--that's an issue of legal definition which isn't really connected with the processes at work. >> ====== say WHAT? "<>" From flossbac at NLCI.COM Thu Oct 7 19:35:49 1999 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:35:49 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind page updates Message-ID: Hey guys, I did some updating at my feeble little Hawkwind page. Newly added are a few crappy photos taken at Strange Daze '98, but more importantly are some really good photos taken of Nik Turner at J. J. Kelley's in Lansing Illinois in August the night before showed up for Strange Daze '99. http://www.nlci.com/users/flossbac/hawkwind.html John Majka flossbac at nlci.com From vince-l at EROLS.COM Thu Oct 7 22:10:54 1999 From: vince-l at EROLS.COM (Vince LeGrand) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 22:10:54 -0400 Subject: HW: 30 Year Anthology Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Dave Greenhalgh To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 9:47 PM Subject: HW: 30 Year Anthology >Is there a supply problem with the big anthology? I thought >with all the publicity that is being discussed on this list >it must be a major release, but CDZone seem to be having >enormous problems getting hold of it. It's been on order >for over a month and this morning I got the dreaded "Can't >get it" e-mail. > >Dave I got mine about 2 weeks ago from Amazon.com. It only took about a week. From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Thu Oct 7 22:34:43 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:34:43 +0900 Subject: HW: 30 Year Anthology Message-ID: I could start to take this personally. This is the first time I've dealt with CDZone.co.uk. Looks like it's going to be the last Dave Vince LeGrand wrote: > > >Is there a supply problem with the big anthology? I thought > >with all the publicity that is being discussed on this list > >it must be a major release, but CDZone seem to be having > >enormous problems getting hold of it. It's been on order > >for over a month and this morning I got the dreaded "Can't > >get it" e-mail. > > > >Dave > > I got mine about 2 weeks ago from Amazon.com. It only took about a week. From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Fri Oct 8 00:38:49 1999 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (Sen. Volstead) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 23:38:49 -0500 Subject: OFF: BOC/IM from bob mayo Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 wrote: > > From: rich-l > > > Sorry... I think I misheard that... > > > > "Iron Maiden have always been dead serious about their stuff"..?!!! And > > here's me thinking Americans had no sense of irony. :-) > > > Don't worry, we don't! > > theo It's really true! Most people didn't even have the word in their vocabulary until that terrible song hit the charts. Now it's encountered everywhere in our news/entertainment media, though no one even really knows what the word itself means! It's just sort of stylish and witty now to call an unfortunate circumstance or incident "ironic". hate hate hate hate From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Fri Oct 8 00:54:42 1999 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (Sen. Volstead) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 23:54:42 -0500 Subject: HW: The Good Reviews continue Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 10/7/99 4:59:21 AM, rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM writes: > > << > (Who used to work on 'Forecourt News - the magazine for the petrol retail > industry', and hence has no idea why he's taking the piss out of other > peoples' magazines...) > > >> > ============== > in my days as an overnight security guard at ocean spray headquarters i was making you, in essence, a night watchman at a cranberry silo! as in Abraham Simpson's job? that's wonderful! I went on a tour of the Ocean Spray building once with my summer camp, and, get this, on the same day we went to the Seabrook Nuclear Power plant! From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Fri Oct 8 01:38:25 1999 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (Sen. Volstead) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 00:38:25 -0500 Subject: OFF: Black Sabbath??? (Was OFF: Blues music, etc..) Message-ID: Horse Whisperer wrote: > >From: "Sen. Volstead" > > > >Sabbath Bloody Sabbath has a generic, satanic picture on the cover. And > >what is the actual song "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath"? > >A lame, commercialized attempt to point out obvious flaws >in Christianity, > >that's what it is! > > Just hold it right there mate! > Black Sabbath created some of the finest music (guitar or otherwise) ever > known on this earth, SBS included. > > Yes their lyrics weren't the most intellectually adept (how can this even be > a criteria?), Surprisingly it makes a difference for a lot of people whether lyrics are good or not. I think there are Iron Maiden and even many Hawkwind songs that would be better if they just eliminated the vocals entirely where they become childish or repetitive. > but I'd be very interested to know how "commercialized" > applies here, whether to the music, the packaging or the words.\ well, I think of Ozzy Osbourne as more or less an earlier version of Marilyn Manson. There's no doubt the guy's a complete sell-out nowadays, though I guess I can't really say as much about his early career since I myself didn't exist at the time. Black Sabbath was a "major part of my life" until I was maybe 16 or so. After actually paying $50 to see an "Ozzfest" I haven't willfully listened to them once. I acknowledge Hawkwind's overwhelming superiority! "Who's Gonna Win the War" carries the deep, deep message that WAR IS BAD so much more eloquently than "War Pigs". And I just love what they're doing now with adapting trendy ALIEN gimmickry into their cover art and set design! > > > ee gads man, context, context.... > > Chris. > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Fri Oct 8 00:59:12 1999 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 23:59:12 -0500 Subject: OFF: Black Sabbath??? Message-ID: More Black Sabbath/Ozzy news: Ozzy refuses to go to Hall of Fame (Launch) - Angry over being passed over during the past two years, Ozzy Osbourne has asked that Black Sabbath be removed from consideration for this year's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction class. "Just take our name off the list," Osbourne said in a statement. "The nomination is meaningless, because it's not voted on by the fans. It's voted on by the supposed elite of the industry and the media, who've never bought an album or concert ticket in their lives." Ironically, Osbourne has vented his anger at a time when Sabbath is considered a very strong candidate for induction, along with fellow hard rockers Aerosmith and Eric Clapton. The hall has ignored inductees' requests before; David Bowie made no secret that he would not show up for his induction in 1996, but the hall went ahead with it anyway. Members of Osbourne's camp said they didn't know if he'd show up if Sabbath was indeed elected this year. Hall officials have made no comment on Osbourne's declaration. -- "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." - Frank Zappa From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Fri Oct 8 03:58:40 1999 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 03:58:40 EDT Subject: BOC: Lyric discussions Message-ID: Theo- > You wouldn't by chance know which issue it was? I believe it was the Creem with M. Jagger in ultra-glitter mode (c. "Angie") on the cover; the article was by Lester Bangs, and featured the bitchin' page-and-a-half photo of Bloom onstage with the BOC flag behind him. From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Fri Oct 8 05:51:57 1999 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas Guy) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:51:57 +0100 Subject: HW: Bedouin/Snortwind/Ace of Spades Message-ID: Just wondering if anybody else was going tonight to the West One Four club, to see Alan Davey et al. Hopefully I'll be filming again. See you there Guy Thomas From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Oct 8 06:22:20 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 06:22:20 EDT Subject: OFF: Black Sabbath??? (Was OFF: Blues music, etc..) Message-ID: In a message dated 10/8/99 12:42:48 AM, antisol at SOFTHOME.NET writes: << well, I think of Ozzy Osbourne as more or less an earlier version of Marilyn Manson. There's no doubt the guy's a complete sell-out nowadays>> ===== nahhh, alice cooper was the earlier version of marilyn manson.... the next question might be "at which point was osbourne NOT a sellout?" I====== <> ====== thank you, i laughed... i shoplifted the promo copy of sabbath's "paranoid" lp from woolworth's one saturday morning in early '71. "war pigs" blew my 13-yr old sh*t away, what with vietnam still raging and my USMC officer dad in the next room... when i first showed up here i criticized the contemporary HW for what appeared to be 'generic sci-fi'...there is truth in your last line, and yet i've long dismissed sabbath, but i'd continue to give HW the benefit of the doubt on general principle. better them than most others, notwithstanding capt. rizz, who drives me up the (*&&^%&* wall.... "<>" ps> by the way, that was the second title and second set of lyrics for "war pigs"...the first lyrics were these embarrassingly stupid satanic/black mass lyrics. guess vietnam was an easy target just then, but still.... From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Fri Oct 8 06:43:34 1999 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:43:34 +0100 Subject: HW: Bedouin/Snortwind/Ace of Spades Message-ID: Should be - do you know where it is? Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Guy To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 10:51 AM Subject: HW: Bedouin/Snortwind/Ace of Spades > Just wondering if anybody else was going tonight to the West One Four club, > to see Alan Davey et al. > > Hopefully I'll be filming again. > > See you there > > > Guy Thomas From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Oct 8 07:40:26 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 07:40:26 EDT Subject: Freevibe.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991008235546.00920e60@mail.clara.net> Message-ID: > From: Chris Warburton > >> > >Keeping drugs away from children is a great thing. > >Lying to them about drugs, is not. > >RJ > > Amen to that: while I'm by no means a walking pharmacopoeia, I know enough > to recognize the many downright lies told by these "moral crusaders". I > could rightly be accused of having been irresponsible on occasion, but I am > still perfectly capable of carrying out my work in (sometimes) very high > pressure environments where system downtime can be costed in 7 figures. I > fear the ignorance and misinformation that I feel endangers my children as > much as it "protects" them - and hope they have the sense to ask me > meaningful questions when the time comes. > To me, it is pointless to have the current prohibition against drugs when the most abused drug, alcohol, is legal everywhere. There is absolutely no difference between drugs and alcohol, except that alcohol is generally more harmful than most drugs, esp. weed... The governent should wake up and realize that people like to use drugs for whatever reason, and that these people are also citizens and taxpayers. I think it should be obvious when you have conservative republicans [cf New Mexico's governor] advocating legalization that the mood is changing. th?o From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Oct 8 08:10:53 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 08:10:53 EDT Subject: Freevibe.com Message-ID: In a message dated 10/8/99 7:41:13 AM, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: << I think it should be obvious when you have conservative republicans [cf New Mexico's governor] advocating legalization that the mood is changing. th?o >> ========= oh yeah, sir t? then get a load of what dole's wife has to say about "drug free america" and increased drug budgets in today's paper. but the reefer madness types are in the process of dying out...things WILL change, but will we live to see it? "<>" From hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU Fri Oct 8 08:34:40 1999 From: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU (Thomas Rickert) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 07:34:40 -0500 Subject: OFF: Black Sabbath? Message-ID: I've noticed over the years that "sell-out" is a fairly middle-class term. For those who grew up genuinely poor, as many of those in English bands did, "selling-out" as we call it is the epitome of success. I sense a great rift in values that renders judgement more iffy than it might appear. I mean, consider Def Leppard, considered by many to be one of the greatest sellouts in rock history. But is it really? Their goal all along was not adherence to some "aesthetic" principle--their goal was to make it. Period. And maybe Ozzy came to see it that way, too, when he got to his solo career. Who can really blame them? Ozzy claims he would have been a criminal but for Sabbath, and Leppard would probably be in the factory. Other bands could be trotted out here as well, I'm sure. But the point is that these values of theirs are a package deal. Ttheir music is just as much a product of those values as the careerist bent that we want to judge them for. For us to single out one aspect, in the name of some anti-success aesthetic (no matter how seemingly valid), is somewhat specious of us I think. Of course, that doesn't make me want to listen to Bark at the Moon or Hysteria, either. -tjr DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 10/8/99 12:42:48 AM, antisol at SOFTHOME.NET writes: > << > well, I think of Ozzy Osbourne as more or less an earlier version of Marilyn > Manson. There's no doubt the guy's a complete sell-out nowadays>> > ===== > nahhh, alice cooper was the earlier version of marilyn manson.... > the next question might be "at which point was osbourne NOT a sellout?" > I====== > < carries the deep, deep message that WAR IS BAD so much more eloquently than > "War > Pigs". And I just love what they're doing now with adapting trendy ALIEN > gimmickry into their cover art and set design!>> > ====== > thank you, i laughed... > i shoplifted the promo copy of sabbath's "paranoid" lp from woolworth's one > saturday morning in early '71. "war pigs" blew my 13-yr old sh*t away, what > with vietnam still raging and my USMC officer dad in the next room... > when i first showed up here i criticized the contemporary HW for what > appeared to be 'generic sci-fi'...there is truth in your last line, and yet > i've long dismissed sabbath, but i'd continue to give HW the benefit of the > doubt on general principle. better them than most others, notwithstanding > capt. rizz, who drives me up the (*&&^%&* wall.... > > "<>" > > ps> by the way, that was the second title and second set of lyrics for "war > pigs"...the first lyrics were these embarrassingly stupid satanic/black mass > lyrics. > guess vietnam was an easy target just then, but still.... From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri Oct 8 04:23:59 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 08:23:59 +0000 Subject: bloooooze and thievery Message-ID: That's one thing I'll say about Blue Oyster Cult. . . While you can find all kinds of different musical styles, and many traces of musical influence here and there, there aren't more than a handful of Cult tunes that you can really pin down and accuse of ripping off anything else. When describing BOC to the uninitiated, I've always said they're one of the most original rock and roll bands EVER. -- Nick From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Oct 8 08:19:33 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 08:19:33 EDT Subject: HW: The Good Reviews continue Message-ID: In a message dated 10/7/99 11:57:51 PM, antisol at SOFTHOME.NET writes: << ============== > in my days as an overnight security guard at ocean spray headquarters i was making you, in essence, a night watchman at a cranberry silo! as in Abraham Simpson's job? that's wonderful! I went on a tour of the Ocean Spray building once with my summer camp, and, get this, on the same day we went to the Seabrook Nuclear Power plant! >> ============= i'm less than 2 miles away from the pilgrim nuclear plant even as we squeak...there's big horns stationed here an there in this vicinity, ready to sound "kiss your ass goodbye" at the appropriate moment... ocean spray HQ was really nice; the bottling plant less nice, and i got sent there just in time for a strike to be going on....had my picture took by the strikers, was called a 'scab', my car and i threatened....we wuz just temps, not ocean spray employees... guess the strikers won, though... "<>" From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Fri Oct 8 08:22:50 1999 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas Guy) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:22:50 +0100 Subject: HW: Bedouin/Snortwind/Ace of Spades Message-ID: Yes - take the Underground to West Kensington Station, turn right out of the station, and after 30 yards or so, go straight across the A4. Keep going another 30/40 yards, and you'll see a road going diagonally off to the right, with a pub (Orange Tree ????) just ahead on that road. The W14 Club is basically the upstairs bar to the pub. See you there, Guy T -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Perry [mailto:kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET] Sent: 08 October 1999 11:44 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW: Bedouin/Snortwind/Ace of Spades Yes - take the Underground to West Kensington Station, turn right out of the station, and after 30 yards or so, go straight across the A4. Keep going another 30/40 yards, and you'll see a road going diagonally off to the right, with a pub (Orange Tree ????) just ahead on that road. The W14 Club is basically the upstairs bar to the pub. See you there, Guy T Should be - do you know where it is? Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Guy > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 10:51 AM Subject: HW: Bedouin/Snortwind/Ace of Spades > Just wondering if anybody else was going tonight to the West One Four club, > to see Alan Davey et al. > > Hopefully I'll be filming again. > > See you there > > > Guy Thomas From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Oct 8 08:30:25 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 08:30:25 EDT Subject: OFF: Black Sabbath?/the whom sell out Message-ID: In a message dated 10/8/99 8:18:34 AM, hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU writes: what i had writ: << the next question might be "at which point was osbourne NOT a sellout?" >> okay, how about "at which point was osbourne pretending that he DIDNT wanna be a rich rock star?" didnt say i held it against him. ^_~ that was well writ, what you wrote. maybe i can make it back here later. "<>" From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Oct 8 08:34:32 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 08:34:32 EDT Subject: Freevibe.com In-Reply-To: <0.f99a5c04.252f394d@aol.com> Message-ID: > From: DASLUD at AOL.COM > > but the reefer madness types are in the process of dying out...things WILL > change, but will we live to see it? > > "<>" Yeah, they'll legalize it in time for me to puff one off in my wheelchair! Dunno, I guess it's virtually legal in Alaska. Certainly headed for legalization in Vancouver, and once that happens will Seattle and Portland be far behind? All it would take is one state to do it, and they'll all go for it. Damn! is it May yet? [that's my next trip to Amsterdam!] th?o From MLee at ESPARTO.ORG Fri Oct 8 08:43:32 1999 From: MLee at ESPARTO.ORG (Mark Lee) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:43:32 +0100 Subject: OFF: CDZone In-Reply-To: <199910080901.FAA23660@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: He he he, I seem to recall posting a comment about the inability of certain uk based suppliers mentioned herein being a complete waste of space time and breathable air some time ago, I spent 6 weeks waiting for a then brand new remastered edition by Ozrics to arrive only to get the seemingly commonplace OOS message. Hope you get your copy soon... I'm waiting to spot a copy on a shelf before parting with what little wedge I have as disposable income. As an afterthough, it seems to me that a large percentage of the members here have used web based companies for supply purposes, how's about we draw up a top ten, five or whatever list of same and share it out, I know people comment about this sort of thing regularly so it shouldn't be too difficult ? Cheers, Mark (He who now lurketh more than writeth) >From: Dave Greenhalgh >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Date: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 9:47 PM >Subject: HW: 30 Year Anthology > > >>Is there a supply problem with the big anthology? I thought >>with all the publicity that is being discussed on this list >>it must be a major release, but CDZone seem to be having >>enormous problems getting hold of it. It's been on order >>for over a month and this morning I got the dreaded "Can't >>get it" e-mail. >> >>Dave From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Fri Oct 8 08:54:04 1999 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (Sonique) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 22:54:04 +1000 Subject: HW: 30 Year Anthology Message-ID: Hmmm .... well, the copies I ordered via a warehouse in Germany about 2 months ago have finally been shipped to Australia, so they must be becoming more available now ... On 7 Oct 99, at 10:54, Dave Greenhalgh wrote: > Is there a supply problem with the big anthology? I thought > with all the publicity that is being discussed on this list > it must be a major release, but CDZone seem to be having > enormous problems getting hold of it. It's been on order > for over a month and this morning I got the dreaded "Can't > get it" e-mail. > > Dave > -- sonique at sonique.net From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Oct 8 09:09:28 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:09:28 EDT Subject: Freevibe.com Message-ID: In a message dated 10/8/99 8:35:13 AM, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: << Dunno, I guess it's virtually legal in Alaska. >> ====== i beleeve this status is no more, sorry to say... "<>" From mordru at FLITE.NET Fri Oct 8 09:10:34 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:10:34 -0400 Subject: bloooooze and thievery Message-ID: >That's one thing I'll say about Blue Oyster Cult. . . > >While you can find all kinds of different musical styles, and many >traces of musical influence here and there, there aren't more than a >handful of Cult tunes that you can really pin down and accuse of >ripping off anything else. > >When describing BOC to the uninitiated, I've always said they're one >of the most original rock and roll bands EVER. Heh, that's 'cause Albert was really good at disguising his stuff .... I mean, we know about Del Rio's Song/Tambourine Man... The Goldmine article told of an example of him playing something and then asking Don what he thought and Don replying it was taken from something else, or something like that. If I remember it right. Seriously, though, I do agree, it's just that I thought it a little ironic given the way that article made it sound.... "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random =============== Andrew Apold From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Oct 8 10:05:17 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:05:17 EDT Subject: bloooooze and thievery Message-ID: In a message dated 10/8/99 9:11:53 AM, mordru at FLITE.NET writes: << > >When describing BOC to the uninitiated, I've always said they're one >of the most original rock and roll bands EVER. Heh, that's 'cause Albert was really good at disguising his stuff .... >> =========== in the xtreme, it might be said " and that's how it's done!" ^_~ "<>" From mkelwood at MAIL.QSICORP.COM Fri Oct 8 10:32:08 1999 From: mkelwood at MAIL.QSICORP.COM (Michael K. Elwood) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 08:32:08 -0600 Subject: OFF: Black Sabbath??? (Was OFF: Blues music, etc..) Message-ID: > Horse Whisperer wrote: >Just hold it right there mate! >Black Sabbath created some of the finest music (guitar or otherwise) ever >known on this earth, SBS included. > >Yes their lyrics weren't the most intellectually adept (how can this even >be a criteria?), but I'd be very interested to know how "commercialized" >applies here, whether to the music, the packaging or the words. > >ee gads man, context, context.... I couldn't agree more. For the most part, Sabbath's lyrics work very well with their music, IMHO. I would even contend for their "intellectual adeptness" (within context) in some cases. Vol. 4, in particular, has some great lyrical snippets, such as: "People say I'm heavy, they don't know what I hide" or: "I've seen the future and I've left it behind" or (my personal favorite): "I don't believe in violence, I don't even believe it exists" which has to rank up there with BOC's immortal line: "Blasts from clustered R4M quartets in my snout" Yes, it's not Shakespeare or Goethe, but what do you expect? Best regards, MKE ObLP: Black Sabbath, Volume 4 From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Oct 8 11:15:48 1999 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (The Automind) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 08:15:48 PDT Subject: OFF: Black Sabbath? Message-ID: >From: Thomas Rickert >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Subject: Re: OFF: Black Sabbath? >Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 07:34:40 -0500 > >I've noticed over the years that "sell-out" is a fairly middle-class term. >For >those who grew up genuinely poor, as many of those in English bands did, >"selling-out" as we call it is the epitome of success. I sense a great rift >in >values that renders judgement more iffy than it might appear. I mean, >consider Def >Leppard, considered by many to be one of the greatest sellouts in rock >history. >But is it really? Their goal all along was not adherence to some >"aesthetic" >principle--their goal was to make it. Period. And maybe Ozzy came to see it >that >way, too, when he got to his solo career. Who can really blame them? Ozzy >claims >he would have been a criminal but for Sabbath, and Leppard would probably >be in >the factory. Other bands could be trotted out here as well, I'm sure. But >the >point is that these values of theirs are a package deal. Ttheir music is >just as >much a product of those values as the careerist bent that we want to judge >them >for. For us to single out one aspect, in the name of some anti-success >aesthetic >(no matter how seemingly valid), is somewhat specious of us I think. > >Of course, that doesn't make me want to listen to Bark at the Moon or >Hysteria, >either. > >-tjr We're all arguing and agreeing at the same time. The point is that this is capitalism in place of real music. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Oct 8 11:16:43 1999 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 08:16:43 PDT Subject: OFF: Black Sabbath? (In praise of R'n'R) Message-ID: >From: "Michael K. Elwood" >Yes, it's not Shakespeare or Goethe, but what do you expect? >ObLP: Black Sabbath, Volume 4 Yaay! It's only rock and roll AND I like. ObLP (vinyl scratches sound better than CD scratches): The Minutemen _Double Nickels on the Dollar_ Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Fri Oct 8 11:39:25 1999 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 16:39:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Bedouin/Snortwind/Ace of Spades Message-ID: Cheers. Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Guy To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 1:22 PM Subject: Re: HW: Bedouin/Snortwind/Ace of Spades > Yes - take the Underground to West Kensington Station, turn right out of the > station, and after 30 yards or so, go straight across the A4. Keep going > another 30/40 yards, and you'll see a road going diagonally off to the > right, with a pub (Orange Tree ????) just ahead on that road. > The W14 Club is basically the upstairs bar to the pub. > > See you there, > > Guy T From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Fri Oct 8 11:50:22 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Zeitgeist) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 16:50:22 +0100 Subject: OFF: Led Zep & The Blues Message-ID: Available now :-) "Whole Lotta Blues: Songs of Led Zeppelin" Various Artists This is an odd one, no doubt about it; then again, Led Zeppelin were frequently quite odd themselves, so that makes this record a fitting tribute. (Never mind that the record cover clearly states, "This ain't no tribute.") Magic Slim highlights Led Zep's bluesier origins with a Delta-style "When the Levee Breaks," while Clarence "Gatemouth" Brown does some totally unexpected things to "Rock 'n' Roll." Not a tribute, indeed. Blessings and peace from all at; Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground - e-zine and freezine http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com alternate url: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van Vliet From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Oct 8 11:21:12 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:21:12 -0400 Subject: de=da=duh=D'OH/ bloooooze and thievery In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 17.50 -0400 99-10-07, Paul Mather wrote: >On Thu, 7 Oct 1999, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > >=> I emphasize that I'm not discussing whether Zeppelin did with the blues >=> songs they ripped off was legally or morally correct, I'm simply suggesting >=> that it was probably pretty similar to the sorts of things pre-recording >=> blues performers did all the time. I think it's an interesting example of >=> how our society's views have changed. > >I see what you're getting at, now. But the important thing to note is >that Zeppelin were *not* "pre-recording blues performers," so it is >unfair to judge them by those societal norms, which had---by your own >admission---drastically changed by then. So I don't see how they can >adopt this cultural defence, because when they were ripping off songs, >eveybody played by different rules and knew the game. I'm emphatically *not* talking about judging Zeppelin's actions or suggesting this understanding of the process as a defense--their actions clearly violated modern copyright law! I'm making what is strictly a observation. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Oct 8 11:37:52 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:37:52 -0400 Subject: de=da=duh=D'OH/ bloooooze and thievery In-Reply-To: <0.46c6b3b4.252e8389@aol.com> Message-ID: At 19.15 -0400 99-10-07, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: >In a message dated 10/7/99 5:10:00 PM, cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK writes: > ><< >I emphasize that I'm not discussing whether Zeppelin did with the blues >songs they ripped off was legally or morally correct, I'm simply suggesting >that it was probably pretty similar to the sorts of things pre-recording >blues performers did all the time. I think it's an interesting example of >how our society's views have changed. >========= >no! it's not any kinda matter of societal evolution! why are you giving these >guys the least benefit of the doubt?! >pre-recording era blues performers woulda been happy to add to their >repitoire at any opportunity, no doubt. but zeppelin stole. and profited from >it. jeez carl, you insult those guys by the comparison. why didnt every last >one of zeppelin's peers do the same? because zeppelin were the most audacious >about it. and=they=knew=it. >this was not any sort of gesture with the anthropological analogues over time >that you're saying it is. zeppelin stole other people's songs and took credit >for them. >there are =absolutely= anthropological analogues shot through this topic, but >in this case, zeppelin stole. I think you do not understand my point (which, to some extent, demonstrates how the great the change in our views has been--it's difficult for us to even conceive of a different state of affairs). I am explicitly *not* judging Zeppelin *nor* defending what they did, which was a clear violation of modern copyright law. *Nor* am I saying they did not steal the songs. What I am doing is making the observation that stealing of that sort was once very much the norm and not viewed negatively. A medieval author would cheerfully plagarize other authors in constructing his own work--it was the common practice. A performer of music in a traditionally-oriented society would cheerfully take elements of other songs he heard and recast them to varying extents in his own performances. We label this plagarism and stealing because we are very concerned with intellectual property rights. This was not always true. If Zeppelin and Willie Dixon and been inhabitants of, say, a backwoods farming village in 3rd century Gaul and Zeppelin had ripped off and rearranged Dixon's stuff in the same way as they did in the 20th century (and then gone on to make it big playing for the Roman governor), then no one would have given a damn, there would have been none of our concept of wrong-doing. It was a way musicians (and writers) commonly worked at that time (and in many, many others). In our current society, stealing people's songs is bad. I'm just noting that's not always the case (and indeed has historically probably been less often the case). It's an observation, not a judgement. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Oct 8 11:44:27 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:44:27 -0400 Subject: de=da=duh=D'OH/ bloooooze and thievery In-Reply-To: <0.37189c37.252e8512@aol.com> Message-ID: At 19.21 -0400 99-10-07, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: >In a message dated 10/7/99 5:10:05 PM, cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK writes: >>Whether or not Zeppelin deliberately evaded attribution is not really what >>I'm thinking about--that's an issue of legal definition which isn't really >>connected with the processes at work. I think you are most concerned whether what Zeppelin did was (by our society's current standards) legally and morally correct. I am not concerned with that. I am noting the parallels between their taking material from a song composed by another and recomposing it to some extent, and the way traditional musicians (in various cultures) commonly work. Such a process is currently in our society illegal and viewed as immoral unless one give appropriate credit to the owner of the copyright (assuming there is one). That's legal and moral issue, and is not connected with the process of using pre-existing material itself. I'm interested only in observation of the process, not in judging it by one set of standards or another. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Oct 8 11:56:20 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:56:20 -0400 Subject: OFF: Black Sabbath? In-Reply-To: <37FDE4DF.84E3275C@utarlg.uta.edu> Message-ID: At 07.34 -0500 99-10-08, Thomas Rickert wrote: >I've noticed over the years that "sell-out" is a fairly middle-class term. For >those who grew up genuinely poor, as many of those in English bands did, >"selling-out" as we call it is the epitome of success. I sense a great rift in >values that renders judgement more iffy than it might appear. I remember discussing this sort of issue with several musician friends in Cambridge, and we all agreed that given the opportunity to "sell out" and become shamefully rich ... we would do so immediately. Then, once filthy with lucre, we invest it conservatively (no big houses, cars, boats, and coke binges ;) would have plenty of time to arse around doing the kinds of music we wanted to since it wouldn't matter if anyone bought our records (since we would already be totally wealthy :) Digusting, isn't it? :) But I'm all in favour of putting my artistic integrity on the back burner so that I actually have a chance to wield it more effectively in the future. Mind you, not many artists seem to follow quite that plan .... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Oct 8 12:26:27 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 17:26:27 +0100 Subject: Bedouin/Snortwind/Ace of Spades In-Reply-To: <997CDAC4BBC5D211BE0B0008C70D298F67D4CE@lnnt47.london.entoil.com> Message-ID: Yep, planning to, I'll wear my "free Tibet" shirt! --Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Thomas Guy > Sent: 8 October 1999 10:52 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: HW: Bedouin/Snortwind/Ace of Spades > > > Just wondering if anybody else was going tonight to the West One > Four club, > to see Alan Davey et al. > > Hopefully I'll be filming again. > > See you there > > > Guy Thomas > From chris_baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Fri Oct 8 13:25:05 1999 From: chris_baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:25:05 -0700 Subject: Freevibe.com Message-ID: Theo wrote: >Certainly headed for legalization in Vancouver, and once that happens will Seattle and Portland be far behind? All it would take is one state to do it, and they'll all go for it. Take heart. Here in Oregon, possesion of < an oz. has long been a small offence, like a traffic ticket. A couple of years ago some redneck Republicans in the State Legislature passed a bill recriminalizing small amounts, with possible jail terms, etc. A bunch of people gathered signatures for a referendum to overturn the legislation, and it passed by a comfortable margin, effectively jamming the bill down the bastards' throats. That was a great election for personal freedom in general. In addition to the above, the voters approved use of medicinal marijuana (as have several other states) and physician-assisted suicide. Of course both of these are currently under attack by puritanical busybodies at the State and Federal levels. In the end, truth and consistency will prevail. Chris P.S. Bevis Frond tonite in a free show at U of Oregon, for anyone around here. "Save me from the people who would save me from myself" - Gang of 4 "Ain't nobody gonna tell me what to do, STEPCHILD!" - Gibby the Butt Disclaimer: I speak only for myself. From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Oct 8 13:48:46 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:48:46 -0700 Subject: OFF: Black Sabbath? Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:56:20 -0400, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >I remember discussing this sort of issue with several musician friends in >Cambridge, and we all agreed that given the opportunity to "sell out" and >become shamefully rich ... we would do so immediately. Then, once filthy >with lucre, we ... would have plenty of time to arse around doing the kinds of >music we wanted to since it wouldn't matter if anyone bought our records >(since we would already be totally wealthy :) > >Digusting, isn't it? :) But I'm all in favour of putting my artistic >integrity on the back burner so that I actually have a chance to wield it >more effectively in the future. > >Mind you, not many artists seem to follow quite that plan .... I can't think of very many - how about Gary Ramon of Sun Dial? A great indie debut, followed by one mediocre and one crappy album on a major label subsidiary (Beggars Banquet), followed by more great indie albums. Then, of course, there are the artists, who having achieved commercial success, attempt to make "serious" music (usually in some sort of retro-classical or jazz style), and embarass themselves hideously in the process. Maybe I'll put on Jon Lord's 'Concerto For Group And Orchestra' when I get home! -Doug ceres at sirius.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Oct 8 13:53:16 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:53:16 EDT Subject: Freevibe.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Chris Baxley > P.S. Bevis Frond tonite in a free show at U of Oregon, for anyone around > here. > Lucky devils! Hey, has anyone heard the new BF live album? theo From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Oct 8 12:58:32 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:58:32 -0400 Subject: OFF: Black Sabbath? Message-ID: Doug P. said... >>Digusting, isn't it? :) But I'm all in favour of putting my artistic >>integrity on the back burner so that I actually have a chance to wield it >>more effectively in the future. >> >>Mind you, not many artists seem to follow quite that plan .... > >I can't think of very many - how about Gary Ramon of Sun Dial? A great >indie debut, followed by one mediocre and one crappy album on a major label >subsidiary (Beggars Banquet), followed by more great indie albums. Problem is...Gary Ramon didn't become filthy rich I don't suppose. >Then, of course, there are the artists, who having achieved commercial >success, attempt to make "serious" music (usually in some sort of >retro-classical or jazz style), and embarass themselves hideously in the >process. Maybe I'll put on Jon Lord's 'Concerto For Group And Orchestra' >when I get home! I take it then you're not going to go see (Ritchie) Blackmore's Night? :) Keith H. (FAA) From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Fri Oct 8 15:26:09 1999 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (Sen. Volstead) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 14:26:09 -0500 Subject: HW: The Good Reviews continue Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 10/7/99 11:57:51 PM, antisol at SOFTHOME.NET writes: > > << ============== > > in my days as an overnight security guard at ocean spray headquarters i was > > making you, in essence, a night watchman at a cranberry silo! as in Abraham > Simpson's job? that's wonderful! I went on a tour of the Ocean Spray building > once with my summer camp, and, get this, on the same day we went to the > Seabrook Nuclear Power plant! > >> cosmic! Can you see the cooling towers from where you are? > ============= > i'm less than 2 miles away from the pilgrim nuclear plant even as we > squeak...there's big horns stationed here an there in this vicinity, ready to > sound "kiss your ass goodbye" at the appropriate moment... > ocean spray HQ was really nice; the bottling plant less nice, and i got sent > there just in time for a strike to be going on....had my picture took by the > strikers, was called a 'scab', my car and i threatened....we wuz just temps, > not ocean spray employees... > guess the strikers won, though... > > "<>" "slow down brother you ain't drivin' in here!", hehe From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Fri Oct 8 15:32:12 1999 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (Sen. Volstead) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 14:32:12 -0500 Subject: OFF: Black Sabbath? Message-ID: > I remember discussing this sort of issue with several musician friends in > Cambridge, and we all agreed that given the opportunity to "sell out" and > become shamefully rich ... we would do so immediately. Then, once filthy > with lucre, we invest it conservatively (no big houses, cars, boats, and > coke binges ;) would have plenty of time to arse around doing the kinds of > music we wanted to since it wouldn't matter if anyone bought our records > (since we would already be totally wealthy :) > > Digusting, isn't it? :) But I'm all in favour of putting my artistic > integrity on the back burner so that I actually have a chance to wield it > more effectively in the future. > > Mind you, not many artists seem to follow quite that plan .... > > Cheers, > Carl > Bruce Springsteen did just that- not that I like any of his stuff really. > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk > http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Fri Oct 8 15:38:04 1999 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (Sen. Volstead) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 14:38:04 -0500 Subject: OFF: Black Sabbath? Message-ID: Keith Henderson wrote: > Doug P. said... > > >>Digusting, isn't it? :) But I'm all in favour of putting my artistic > >>integrity on the back burner so that I actually have a chance to wield it > >>more effectively in the future. > >> > >>Mind you, not many artists seem to follow quite that plan .... > > > >I can't think of very many - how about Gary Ramon of Sun Dial? A great > >indie debut, followed by one mediocre and one crappy album on a major label > >subsidiary (Beggars Banquet), followed by more great indie albums. > > Problem is...Gary Ramon didn't become filthy rich I don't suppose. > > >Then, of course, there are the artists, who having achieved commercial > >success, attempt to make "serious" music (usually in some sort of > >retro-classical or jazz style), and embarass themselves hideously in the > >process. Maybe I'll put on Jon Lord's 'Concerto For Group And Orchestra' > >when I get home! > > I take it then you're not going to go see (Ritchie) Blackmore's Night? :) > what's that? I can't believe I own a recent Rainbow album. one with Hall of the Mountain King on it! gah! From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Oct 8 16:27:28 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 16:27:28 EDT Subject: de=da=duh=D'OH/ belize and schoonery Message-ID: In a message dated 10/8/99 12:02:35 PM, cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK writes: << I am noting the parallels between their taking material from a song composed by another and recomposing it to some extent, and the way traditional musicians (in various cultures) commonly work. Such a process is currently in our society illegal and viewed as immoral unless one give appropriate credit to the owner of the copyright (assuming there is one). That's legal and moral issue, and is not connected with the process of using pre-existing material itself. I'm interested only in observation of the process, not in judging it by one set of standards or another. >> ======== well, there are <> examples of those parallels than led zeppelin. witness "louie louie". it's just-just-...your parallel seems to suggest guilelessness on their part, as if they were "common traditional musicians". and they werent. my only problem w/this socio-cultural parallel is your choice of ledzep., contemporary music as a product in demand notwithstanding. consider grabbing up some "nuggets"-type '60s rock and roll compilation lp's; i could tape you some i have, probably before your kids start high school. ^_~. what your parallel suggests thrives here. From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Oct 8 16:41:33 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 16:41:33 EDT Subject: OFF: subsequent maiden/ozzy comments Message-ID: take it away, bob m. ===== re: irony maiden maybe it's too late for me to 'tweak' my original statement (iron maiden...always took their stuff 100% seriously...) but what i meant to say was: compared to boc/ cheap trick, iron maiden are not what i'd call lyrically 'fun/ironic, etc.' in the same sense of the two aforementioned bands. where is their 'joan crawford'? their 'marshall plan'? sure they had some throw-away joke b-sides, but in the main body of their recorded work, they remain extremely straight-faced. (all in the name of a good time, natch. i'm not completely missing the boat here.) bobm ps: ozzy is a talentless moron who has had the good furtune to surround himself with talented people: writers/players/management etc for his entire career. geezer wrote all of the lyrics for sabbath; bob daisley wrote them on the first 4 solo lps (he left the band in an under-publicized hufff when he stopped getting publishing $$$ for his work). outside wrtiters have been 'helping' (including the grammy nominated lemmy) . randy rhoads' death and the video-80's helped establish him to a new generation of fans; at least his popularity has finally led to sabbath getting the credit they deserve as an important band in rock music and perhaps the most important band in heavy metal. RMayo19761 at AOL.COM From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Oct 8 17:07:03 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 17:07:03 EDT Subject: OFF: "people do this for money" Message-ID: all this 'selling out' talk today reminded me of a song ^_~ ===== PEOPLE DO THIS FOR MONEY (lb '84) as recorded by disarray 1) went to the city to cop me a trend thought i was hip but i was late again got all decked out and what do you know? it turned uncool 'bout an hour ago -i went out the back way... i hear tell, people do this for money i would too, if someboy paid me... 2) the big promoter turned one deaf ear said "it aint metal enough, what are you guys, queer? play partyin' tunes and the kids'll go nuts where the men are all boys and the women are cheap" -fake rebellion -for fake rebels... i hear tell, people do this for money i would too, if somebody paid me... 3) yeah i want to kill the system 'till it's dead but i dont know what i want instead i want to tear the walls down, one by one but if i starve, will i still have fun? i want to shake your world up, by and large but will this purchase be cash or charge? i hear tell, people do this for money i would too, if somebody paid me... -it's quitters like that who give effort a bad name== "<>" From vince-l at EROLS.COM Fri Oct 8 17:41:46 1999 From: vince-l at EROLS.COM (Vince LeGrand) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 17:41:46 -0400 Subject: OFF: CDZone Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Mark Lee To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Friday, October 08, 1999 8:47 AM Subject: OFF: CDZone >As an afterthough, it seems to me that a large percentage of the >members here have used web based companies for supply purposes, >how's about we draw up a top ten, five or whatever list of same and >share it out, I know people comment about this sort of thing >regularly so it shouldn't be too difficult ? > >Cheers, > >Mark (He who now lurketh more than writeth) > OK, I guess I can start things off...I have placed multiple orders for CD's from all of the following web-based merchants and have only had 2 out-of-stock problems (listed in descending order based approximately on how many orders I have placed): CDnow Eurock Amazon ForcedExposure BarnesandNoble GratefulDeadNet Overall, my experience with web-based CD retailers has been very good. Vince From bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET Fri Oct 8 18:03:43 1999 From: bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET (Brian Halligan) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 18:03:43 -0400 Subject: OFF: Frond Live Album Message-ID: >From http://www.flydaddy.com I haven't heard it, but I have it on order. Brian obCD> "Head Cleaner" Ade Shaw >THE BEVIS FROND Live at The Great American Music Hall This is the first-ever live album from The Bevis Frond, recorded April 16,1998 during the band's first tour of the US. The album makes plain the secret that is quickly being made public: The Bevis Frond are one of the greatest live bands playing today, their musicianship and sheer psychedelic intensity blowing away crowd after crowd. Includes "Lights Are Changing," "Stoned Train Driver," "New River Head," and a phenomenal cover of Love's "Signed DC." The band: Nick Saloman on guitar/vocals, Adrian Shaw (ex-Hawkwind) on bass, and Andy Ward (Camel) on drums. 1 - Hole Song #2 2 - Maybe 3 - Love Is 4 - New River Head 5 - Stoned Train Driver 6 - Lights Are Changing 7 - Red Hair 8 - He'd Be a Diamond 9 - Well Out of It 10 - Stain on the Sun 11 - Wind Blew All Around Me 12 - Signed DC From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Oct 8 19:21:39 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 00:21:39 +0100 Subject: HW: Snorkwind Message-ID: Left early for last tube and becuase I was totally knackered, but have to report just seeing Alan, Huw and TERRY OLLIS! doing "Hurry On Sundown..." Bet Bedouin are kicking ass right now but, y'know, old age and stuff. --Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Oct 8 19:57:10 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 19:57:10 -0400 Subject: de=da=duh=D'OH/ belize and schoonery In-Reply-To: <0.c6dfae25.252fadb0@aol.com> Message-ID: At 16.27 -0400 99-10-08, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: >In a message dated 10/8/99 12:02:35 PM, cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK writes: >>I am noting the parallels between their taking >>material from a song composed by another and recomposing it to some extent, >>and the way traditional musicians (in various cultures) commonly work. Such >>a process is currently in our society illegal and viewed as immoral unless >>one give appropriate credit to the owner of the copyright (assuming there >>is one). That's legal and moral issue, and is not connected with the >>process of using pre-existing material itself. I'm interested only in >>observation of the process, not in judging it by one set of standards or >>another. >> >======== >well, there are <> examples of those parallels than led zeppelin. >witness "louie louie". >it's just-just-...your parallel seems to suggest guilelessness on their part, >as if they were "common traditional musicians". and they werent. >my only problem w/this socio-cultural parallel is your choice of ledzep., >contemporary music as a product in demand notwithstanding. Well, I'm not sure it matters so much from the processual point of view. Nor have I suggested Zep were guileless--but whether or not they knew what they did was illegal is irrelevant, as far as I am concerned: moral and legal judgements are not what I am talking about.The process may or may not be illegal in a given society, and so the relative legality is a seperate issue. There are, of course, all kinds of examples of the process. Zep's case is simply a very visible one--if they hadn't ripped the songs off, they wouldn't make such an example Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Fri Oct 8 21:44:29 1999 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 02:44:29 +0100 Subject: HW: Snorkwind Message-ID: Just got in from it - damn tubes! Snorkwind were superbl Bedouin were good but their new guitarist was reading notes while playing - hmm - and just didn't seem to have his heart in it. Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Gilham To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Saturday, October 09, 1999 12:21 AM Subject: HW: Snorkwind > Left early for last tube and becuase I was totally knackered, but have to > report just seeing Alan, Huw and TERRY OLLIS! doing "Hurry On Sundown..." > > Bet Bedouin are kicking ass right now but, y'know, old age and stuff. > > > --Andy > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Fri Oct 8 22:50:52 1999 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 21:50:52 -0500 Subject: OFF: Frond/Forevertron in/near Madison, WI Message-ID: Hey! If anyone on the list is near Madison, WI or has plans to visit someday . . . The Bevis Frond is playing this Friday the 15th: Union South/Club 770 Union South, Corner of Dayton and Randall/ Madison, WI /608 263-2600 all shows are free Oct 15 '99 Fri The Bevis Frond w/Mary Lou Lord and Sean Na Na And . . . check out The Forevertron! Wow. Totally awesome metal/science fiction landscape sculpture garden: http://www.roadsideamerica.com/attract/WIBARforever.html What a great setting for a HW concert! ;-) Karen -- "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." - Frank Zappa From lwitt1 at USWEST.NET Sat Oct 9 00:12:57 1999 From: lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 23:12:57 -0500 Subject: OFF: Frond/Forevertron in/near Madison, WI Message-ID: Also , Bevis Frond will appear wednesday the 15th at the 400 bar in Minneapolis. Local space rockers Skye Klad will be opening. Bevis Frond will be doing a record store appearance at Let It Be Records that day as well. From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Sat Oct 9 00:20:20 1999 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 23:20:20 -0500 Subject: OFF: Frond/Forevertron in/near Madison, WI Message-ID: Tour dates listed here: http://users.bart.nl/~cvdlely/bfrond/news/news.htm 09-10 Seattle TBC 13-10 Minneapolis (5pm) in-store Let It Be Records 13-10 Minneapolis (evening) 400 Bar 14-10 Chicago Empty Bottle (w 7% Solution) 15-10 Madison Union South Club 770 16-10 Cleveland Speak in Tongues 17-10 Toronto Horseshoe 19-10 Northampton Iron Horse 20-10 NYC Knitting Factory 10-13 in Minneapolis with Skye Clad and 10-15 in Madison with ??? Karen Dan Witt wrote: > > Also , > > Bevis Frond will appear wednesday the 15th at the 400 bar in > Minneapolis. Local space rockers Skye Klad will be opening. Bevis Frond > will be doing a record store appearance at Let It Be Records that day as > well. -- "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." - Frank Zappa From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Sat Oct 9 07:07:40 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Zeitgeist) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:07:40 +0100 Subject: OS: MOTORHEAD COVER VERSIONS Message-ID: The new issue of Classic Rock has the Top 30 cover versions (as voted by reader). At No 9 is "Louie Louie" and at No 26 "Motorhead". For your info the Top 10 was Rosalie - Thin Lizzy All Along The Watchtower - Jimi Hendrix With A Little Help From My Friends - Joe Cocker Hard To Handle - The Black Crowes Ain't No Love In The Heart Of The City - Whitesnake (the original will be played at my funeral) Come Together - Aerosmith Hush - Deep Purple You Really Got Me - Van Halen Louie Louie - Motorhead Whiskey In The Jar - Metallica (shurely shome mishtake?) Overall a reasonable issue, but next months trails King Crimson, Deep Purple, Lemmy, Blue Oyster Cult and Ted Nugent! they also mention the rumour (which apparently has some credence) that Castle Donington will return next year with Iron Maiden & Ted Nugent. Blessings and peace from all at; Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground - e-zine and freezine http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com alternate url: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van Vliet From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Sat Oct 9 07:36:38 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Zeitgeist) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:36:38 +0100 Subject: HW: The Backlash Begins (thankfully:-) Message-ID: Well Classic Rock gave the Epoch 3CD 3 stars out of 5, and the Anthology 2 stars, the same mark they gave Year 2000: Codename Hawkwind Volume 1. I will quote from the Anthology review; "Hawkwind have long been more a comedy than musical act. Still the question remains - were they ever any good? Not really.....HW sound more like a bunch of eccentric pub rock bozos than a classic psychedelic outfit." Fatwas to Gareth Cartwright at productions.oneshots at dennis.co.uk Me, I can safely pop back under my hedge, emerging to scare the locals at regular intervals without some spotty teenage oik harassing me about my beloved HW. Yours in full on inverse snobbery mode, SAH Blessings and peace from all at; Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground - e-zine and freezine http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com alternate url: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van Vliet From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Oct 9 09:10:07 1999 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:10:07 +0100 Subject: HW: For sale in Record Collector Message-ID: Now that Hawkwind are famous again I thought it might be worth checking Record Collector to see what might be around and found that there is a Glatonbury Triple Album advertised for sale. It's probably already been sold by now but here's the info in case anyone wants to chase it up: GLASTONBURY Triple Album (with all inserts) M(int) 100.00 UK pounds Write to: Andrew Leitch, Santon Lodge, 90 Reigate Hill, Reigate, Surrey, RH2 9PH. [No phone no email no fax] The price is pretty much standard - there clearly hasn't been any increase in the market value since I bought mine (6 or 7 years ago now!). jill -- ====================================================================== Jill Strobridge or J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk ====================================================================== From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Sat Oct 9 15:48:19 1999 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 20:48:19 +0100 Subject: OT(ish): Alan Davey... Message-ID: Does anyone know what chords Alan actually plays? Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." From totalnut at TELEKABEL.NL Sat Oct 9 17:04:33 1999 From: totalnut at TELEKABEL.NL (totalnut) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 23:04:33 +0200 Subject: Intoducing myself Message-ID: Hi Everbody Just became a member of BOC-L list today. Im a psychiatrist(not confentional) from Sarajevo Bosnia. I live in another country now, so i got myself a good chance of learning English Im 34 years old female with lots of sidekicks. Reason i joined is because a friend of mine forwarded a message from BOC-L list with a website included from Goran which got me interested. Subject at that time was trepanation/trickeration a method i don't aprove of at all, but that's beside point for now. I hope there will be many interesting things coming my way and to have a great correspondance going. 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Hope to get involved with a lot of interesting people :-) PSSt weres that private mail he he Dukic K ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Saturday, October 09, 1999 11:22 PM Subject: Re: Intoducing myself > In a message dated 10/9/99 5:04:19 PM, totalnut at TELEKABEL.NL writes: > > << Hi Everbody > > Just became a member of BOC-L list today. > > Im a psychiatrist(not confentional) from Sarajevo Bosnia. I live in another > country now, so i got myself a good chance of learning English > > Im 34 years old female with lots of sidekicks. > > >> > ======== > hello, new person! > now =this= could ...heh...be inneresting> > "<>" > From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Sat Oct 9 21:27:00 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 21:27:00 -0400 Subject: BOC: More Mike Watt goodness Message-ID: Found the following interesting entry on a Mike Watt discography site: Chop Chop single 1995 Jan Mike Watt (bass, singing) 7": 95.01 US Randy Jones/Gasatanka DEI9038-7 I'm On The Lamb, But I Ain't No Sheep She's as Beautiful As A Foot 9 days till Frond Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From jgoran at TELEBOT.COM Sun Oct 10 08:29:29 1999 From: jgoran at TELEBOT.COM (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 13:29:29 +0100 Subject: Intoducing myself In-Reply-To: <005301bf1299$e4748140$05c3c3c3@Dukic> Message-ID: totalnut wrote in <005301bf1299$e4748140$05c3c3c3 at Dukic>: >Hi Everbody >Just became a member of BOC-L list today. Zdravo i dobrodo?la. > Reason i joined is because a friend of mine forwarded a message from BOC-L list with a website included from Goran which got me interested. Subject at that time was trepanation/trickeration a method i don't aprove of at all, but that's beside point for now. Well, most of it here is about musical issues concerning BOC, Hawkwind and their successors, derivatives and akin performers. Due to their unusual treatment of unusual topics, sometimes there is something more than music. > I hope there will be many interesting things coming my way and to have a great correspondance going. Every mailing list is interesting from the psychiatric point of view. ;-) Anyway, I hope you'll make this list more interesting if you don't only observe us. ;-) -- Goran From dhira.lalita at VIRGIN.NET Sat Oct 9 18:10:25 1999 From: dhira.lalita at VIRGIN.NET (Dhira Lalita) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 23:10:25 +0100 Subject: Intoducing myself Message-ID: This is interesting. I am a psychiatric nurse, so we could have a lot of fun around here Yours, DL ----- Original Message ----- From: totalnut To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Saturday, October 09, 1999 10:04 PM Subject: Intoducing myself Hi Everbody Just became a member of BOC-L list today. Im a psychiatrist(not confentional) from Sarajevo Bosnia. I live in another country now, so i got myself a good chance of learning English Im 34 years old female with lots of sidekicks. Reason i joined is because a friend of mine forwarded a message from BOC-L list with a website included from Goran which got me interested. Subject at that time was trepanation/trickeration a method i don't aprove of at all, but that's beside point for now. I hope there will be many interesting things coming my way and to have a great correspondance going. Dukic K -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Sun Oct 10 12:31:54 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 11:31:54 -0500 Subject: HW : Fw: Borders.com Order Shipment Notification Message-ID: Saw this on Borders, and it said "Ships Immediately". And by golly it did! Will get it in a few days...But I thought this was going to take a while to hit the stores? It can't be HAWKVP2CD ? Can it? Wish the "Doctor" would diagnose this symptom .... I'm feeling funny Hawkman www.intplsrv.net/hawkman _________________________________________________________ >We wanted to let you know that we recently shipped the items below. > >Thanks again for ordering from Borders.com! > >Sincerely, >You requested: >2 copies of "Greasy Trucker's Party" > Man / Hawkwind / Brinsley Schwar; $13.59 > 2 Copies are included in this shipment. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Oct 10 13:00:57 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:00:57 +0100 Subject: HW : Fw: Borders.com Order Shipment Notification In-Reply-To: <001d01bf133c$fc033f60$faf6050c@hawkwind> Message-ID: Looking at the Borders page, it looks like just the two Man tracks from the original double LP (Voiceprint have been reissuing lots of Man material). They're bloody good, so you shouldn't be disappointed even so. The two Hawkwind cuts from the double LP (Born to Go/Masters of the Universe) are on the remastered Space Ritual. --Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Stephan Spiegel > Sent: 10 October 1999 17:32 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: HW : Fw: Borders.com Order Shipment Notification > > > Saw this on Borders, and it said "Ships Immediately". And by > golly it did! > Will get it in a few days...But I thought this was going to take > a while to > hit > the stores? It can't be HAWKVP2CD ? Can it? Wish the "Doctor" would > diagnose this symptom .... I'm feeling funny > > Hawkman > www.intplsrv.net/hawkman > > _________________________________________________________ > > > >We wanted to let you know that we recently shipped the items below. > > > >Thanks again for ordering from Borders.com! > > > >Sincerely, > >You requested: > >2 copies of "Greasy Trucker's Party" > > Man / Hawkwind / Brinsley Schwar; $13.59 > > 2 Copies are included in this shipment. > From totalnut at TELEKABEL.NL Sun Oct 10 17:47:50 1999 From: totalnut at TELEKABEL.NL (totalnut) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 23:47:50 +0200 Subject: introduction Message-ID: Hi Steven Thanks for welcoming me I know this list is mostly about music. But thats cool. I did 19 yrs of clasical and modern singing myself and besides that i played myself a lot not so much anymore unfortunately i was for about 10 yrs a soundtechnicion So no objection to music these are some of my sidekicks Dukic K -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From totalnut at TELEKABEL.NL Sun Oct 10 17:54:58 1999 From: totalnut at TELEKABEL.NL (totalnut) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 23:54:58 +0200 Subject: Intoducing myself Message-ID: Zdravo Goran :-) Not to worry about music thats one of my sidekicks. And if its up to me i will try and make it as interesting as possible Btw nice to see and exchange also with a fellow countrymember(this is not correct way to say it, but i have no other English word for that Pozdrav Dukic K ----- Original Message ----- From: Goran Janicijevic To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Sunday, October 10, 1999 2:29 PM Subject: Re: Intoducing myself > totalnut wrote in <005301bf1299$e4748140$05c3c3c3 at Dukic>: > > >Hi Everbody > >Just became a member of BOC-L list today. > > Zdravo i dobrodo?la. > > > Reason i joined is because a friend of mine forwarded a message from BOC-L list with a website included from Goran which got me interested. Subject at that time was trepanation/trickeration a method i don't aprove of at all, but that's beside point for now. > > Well, most of it here is about musical issues concerning BOC, Hawkwind > and their successors, derivatives and akin performers. Due to their > unusual treatment of unusual topics, sometimes there is something more > than music. > > > I hope there will be many interesting things coming my way and to have a great correspondance going. > > Every mailing list is interesting from the psychiatric point of view. > ;-) Anyway, I hope you'll make this list more interesting if you don't > only observe us. ;-) > -- > Goran > From totalnut at TELEKABEL.NL Sun Oct 10 17:58:31 1999 From: totalnut at TELEKABEL.NL (totalnut) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 23:58:31 +0200 Subject: Intoducing myself Message-ID: Hi DL Yes its sure going to be interesting :-) Dukic K ----- Original Message ----- From: Dhira Lalita To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Sunday, October 10, 1999 12:10 AM Subject: Re: Intoducing myself This is interesting. I am a psychiatric nurse, so we could have a lot of fun around here Yours, DL ----- Original Message ----- From: totalnut To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Saturday, October 09, 1999 10:04 PM Subject: Intoducing myself Hi Everbody Just became a member of BOC-L list today. Im a psychiatrist(not confentional) from Sarajevo Bosnia. I live in another country now, so i got myself a good chance of learning English Im 34 years old female with lots of sidekicks. Reason i joined is because a friend of mine forwarded a message from BOC-L list with a website included from Goran which got me interested. Subject at that time was trepanation/trickeration a method i don't aprove of at all, but that's beside point for now. I hope there will be many interesting things coming my way and to have a great correspondance going. Dukic K -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From totalnut at TELEKABEL.NL Sun Oct 10 18:19:22 1999 From: totalnut at TELEKABEL.NL (totalnut) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:19:22 +0200 Subject: HW : Fw: Borders.com Order Shipment Notification Message-ID: Hi steven No problem if i look at your sympthoms you have a direct hit of an axiety attack Grin I can of course ship you some meds to let it cool down :-), but for now wait easy and steady till it arrives and then if that goes ok will discuss your medication again :-) doctors orders Dukic K ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephan Spiegel To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Sunday, October 10, 1999 6:31 PM Subject: HW : Fw: Borders.com Order Shipment Notification > Saw this on Borders, and it said "Ships Immediately". And by golly it did! > Will get it in a few days...But I thought this was going to take a while to > hit > the stores? It can't be HAWKVP2CD ? Can it? Wish the "Doctor" would > diagnose this symptom .... I'm feeling funny > > Hawkman > www.intplsrv.net/hawkman > > _________________________________________________________ > > > >We wanted to let you know that we recently shipped the items below. > > > >Thanks again for ordering from Borders.com! > > > >Sincerely, > >You requested: > >2 copies of "Greasy Trucker's Party" > > Man / Hawkwind / Brinsley Schwar; $13.59 > > 2 Copies are included in this shipment. > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Oct 10 18:30:27 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 23:30:27 +0100 Subject: OFF: Lemmy radio programme/Last Laugh Message-ID: Dear All, a couple of trivia type questions! First off, one of my housemates told me today that he remembered a radio programme of six to nine years ago (as he worked out by considering what house he'd listened to it in) whose plot was something along the lines of Martians taking over the world by means of television. The reason he asked me was that he was 99% sure it featured a character called Lemmy. Does anyone know anything about this - a radio adaptation of `Time of the Hawklords' was all I could think of, but he didn't think it sounded right. Secondly, the Freak Emporium are stocking an album by a Swedish stoner-rock band called Last Laugh, which they claim includes ex-members of Darxtar. That came as a surprise to me as I thought there was only one ex-member of Darxtar and we knew what he was doing (hi Juha); what's this, a side-project, Lines's band, or just a case of should-be-spelt-Dark-Star? All help appreciated, yours, Jon ObCD: Electric Wizard - _Come My Fanatics..._ From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Sun Oct 10 18:49:41 1999 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 23:49:41 +0100 Subject: OFF: Lemmy radio programme/Last Laugh Message-ID: There was: it was a serial on Radio 2 that was really, really bad - no, it wasn't an adaptation of TotH - that would have been (marginally - it's a lousy story, and as for Queens of Deleria...) better! Lemmy was the really whingy character (if I recall rightly) who was the engineer. Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Jarrett To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Sunday, October 10, 1999 11:30 PM Subject: OFF: Lemmy radio programme/Last Laugh > Dear All, > a couple of trivia type questions! First off, one of my > housemates told me today that he remembered a radio programme of six to > nine years ago (as he worked out by considering what house he'd listened > to it in) whose plot was something along the lines of Martians taking over > the world by means of television. The reason he asked me was that he was > 99% sure it featured a character called Lemmy. Does anyone know anything > about this - a radio adaptation of `Time of the Hawklords' was all I could > think of, but he didn't think it sounded right. > > Secondly, the Freak Emporium are stocking an album by a Swedish > stoner-rock band called Last Laugh, which they claim includes ex-members > of Darxtar. That came as a surprise to me as I thought there was only one > ex-member of Darxtar and we knew what he was doing (hi Juha); what's this, > a side-project, Lines's band, or just a case of should-be-spelt-Dark-Star? > > All help appreciated, yours, > Jon > > ObCD: Electric Wizard - _Come My Fanatics..._ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Oct 10 18:50:23 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 23:50:23 +0100 Subject: BOC, OFF: Blues music, Iron Maiden, BOC lyrics, album c In-Reply-To: <199910071029.GAA17710@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Oct 1999, wrote: > > >Sorry if that seemed like a rant, but to me, album covers are just > > >artwork that often have little to do with the musical content contained > > >within. Not always of course, but often enough. > > > I'll agree. My personal example is Sabbath's "Born Again". The cover > is wretched, but I absolutely love this album. Probably not a very > popular one overall, though. Sabbath covers are often good examples - the single reason I haven't yet bought _Sabotage_ is that the cover makes me cringe every time I pick up a copy. I know it's good, but I cannot help but see a bunch of stupidly-dressed pot-rockers running to fat and put it back, every time... Yours, Jon From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Oct 10 19:06:44 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:06:44 +0100 Subject: de=da=duh=D'OH/ bloooooze and thievery In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Oct 1999, Killing Joke wrote: > I think Aristophanes (I think it's him, but don't hold me to that..) once > said..."there is nothing new under the sun, only new ways of saying it.." "it was original once and it will be again" archy the cockroach Yours, Jon :-) From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Sun Oct 10 19:46:41 1999 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 01:46:41 +0200 Subject: new HAWKWIND tourdates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: October News '99 HAWKWIND AUTUMN/WINTER TOUR DATES: 17th October - Granite Rock Festival, Saltash 9th November - Waterfront, Norwich 10th November - Stables, Wavendon 12th November - Colosseum, St Austell 14th November - Fairfield Halls, Croydon 5th December - Academy, Brixton Further dates at Manchester and Leeds yet to be confirmed - please check with venues that details are correct saw the above message on andy g's webpage. anybody knows more about the london date. andre From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Oct 10 20:46:28 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 01:46:28 +0100 Subject: OFF: Black Sabbath? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991008104846.008f5c60@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Oct 1999, Doug Pearson wrote: > >Digusting, isn't it? :) But I'm all in favour of putting my artistic > >integrity on the back burner so that I actually have a chance to wield it > >more effectively in the future. > > > >Mind you, not many artists seem to follow quite that plan .... > > I can't think of very many - how about Gary Ramon of Sun Dial? A great > indie debut, followed by one mediocre and one crappy album on a major label > subsidiary (Beggars Banquet), followed by more great indie albums. Though I hate to do this in a thread with such a title: Blur. Two medium-grade pop albums, two total catch-the-kiddies ones and then two bloody odd ones once the money was in the bank. The self-titled in particular is a damn sight more psychedelic than e.g. PT's latest and Zappa would have been pleased to observe its "lack of commercial potential"... Yours, Jon ObCD: Omnia Opera - _Omnia Opera_ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Oct 10 21:21:31 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 02:21:31 +0100 Subject: OFF: Lemmy radio programme/Last Laugh In-Reply-To: <006001bf1371$bdefba20$231ec8c3@johann> Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Oct 1999, Kevin Perry wrote: > There was: it was a serial on Radio 2 that was really, really bad - no, it > wasn't an adaptation of TotH - that would have been (marginally - it's a > lousy story, and as for Queens of Deleria...) better! Lemmy was the really > whingy character (if I recall rightly) who was the engineer. Well, my housemate has just mailed me to say that he remembered the title, ("Journey Into Space") and with this had dug it up on the web, and among other characters it features a Mitch Mitchell and Doc Matthews. The other one was Jet Morgan and the whole thing was by a Charles Chilton. He also claims it was 50s; can this be so? With both a Lemmy and a Mitch in it? Did they both listen to it as boys or something? Is the famous Lemmy-a-fiver story up the pipe or is it all the merest coincidence? Shall I go to bed? Yes, perhaps I shall... Yours, Jon From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Oct 11 02:53:18 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 02:53:18 EDT Subject: OFF: Black Sabbath? Message-ID: In a message dated 10/10/99 8:46:54 PM, jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK writes: << On Fri, 8 Oct 1999, Doug Pearson wrote: > >Digusting, isn't it? :) But I'm all in favour of putting my artistic > >integrity on the back burner so that I actually have a chance to wield it > >more effectively in the future. > > > >Mind you, not many artists seem to follow quite that plan .... > >> =============== what i'd wished i coulda done was write =one= crappy 'hit' which woulda subsidized everything else, be it under another name, or as performed by another, or... oh the calculation oh the situationist ethics hoo hah "<>" From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Mon Oct 11 03:46:40 1999 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 08:46:40 +0100 Subject: OFF: Lemmy radio programme/Last Laugh Message-ID: It was the 50's - I remember my dad listening to it and saying how he remembered it from being a boy... Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Jarrett To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 2:21 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Lemmy radio programme/Last Laugh > On Sun, 10 Oct 1999, Kevin Perry wrote: > > > There was: it was a serial on Radio 2 that was really, really bad - no, it > > wasn't an adaptation of TotH - that would have been (marginally - it's a > > lousy story, and as for Queens of Deleria...) better! Lemmy was the really > > whingy character (if I recall rightly) who was the engineer. > > Well, my housemate has just mailed me to say that he remembered > the title, ("Journey Into Space") and with this had dug it up on the web, > and among other characters it features a Mitch Mitchell and Doc Matthews. > The other one was Jet Morgan and the whole thing was by a Charles Chilton. > He also claims it was 50s; can this be so? With both a Lemmy and a Mitch > in it? Did they both listen to it as boys or something? Is the famous > Lemmy-a-fiver story up the pipe or is it all the merest coincidence? Shall > I go to bed? Yes, perhaps I shall... Yours, > Jon > From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Oct 11 04:16:32 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:16:32 +0100 Subject: HW: new HAWKWIND tourdates In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991011014524.0095ec40@pop.casema.net> Message-ID: > > saw the above message on andy g's webpage. > The other Andy G, I hasten to add :) I'll see what I can find out about the Brixton gig... --Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Mon Oct 11 05:00:11 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 11:00:11 +0200 Subject: new HAWKWIND tourdates In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991011014524.0095ec40@pop.casema.net> Message-ID: Hi all, is this the so long awated reunion gig? > 5th December - Academy, Brixton Then I'll be there. On the web-site of Brixton Academy it is not yet mentioned. > > anybody knows more about the london date. I would like some more info to... --BArt From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Mon Oct 11 05:44:34 1999 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas Guy) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:44:34 +0100 Subject: HW: Snorkwind Message-ID: I'll ad my report too about the Snorkwind/Bedouin extravaganza!! WOT a STONKER of a Snorkwind set - (Bedouin were pretty good too, mind you, Glen Povey the new guitarist is still getting familiar with the stuff - so I think we can allow him a bit of credit for reading the music!) but Snorkwind even though largely unrehearsed were superb. Last time I saw Hurry on Sundown played, was at the Hawkon convention in Manchester 1985 (I think Danny's first ever appearance!) and it was bloody awful then - probably due to Mick Slatterty!! This time though was quite the reverse. OK it took the guys a few moments to get into it, but after that, and when Terry had got himself comfortable on the Drum Riser, it really took off - YESSSSS!!!!!!!!!! As Alan had asked me to video them, I turned up a we bit early - in time to catch the Snorkwind soundcheck. This included Moonglum, which of course went straight into Elric (as in Live Chronicles). I'm sure it wasn't intended, as Alan didn't really want to sing any of the Snorkwind set, keeping his voice for the Bedouin set - so unfortunately, it didn't make it into the live set - nor did Psychedelic Landlords! That said, Waiting for tomorrow, Solitary Mind Games, Got your Number, Smoke Stack Lightning, Rolling & Tumbling (?), and Hurry on Sundown were quite excellent! I honestly can't recall if Rocky paths was played or not (too many Strongbows!) but the set was a full 70 minutes. It was like being back in 1985 all over again!! I had a bit of a chat with Huw, and he seemed to be in really good form! Danny is a bit gutted though, now that Sean is no longer guitarist - shame really. That said - I wouldn't want to piss Danny off too much 'cos he's a huge bloke! (I'm 6'4", and he's taller than me!) The Bedouin set was largely the same as the previous tour, but I think Ancient Light was dropped, and the encore was Lemmy's Overkill - with Danny doing more than fair credit to Phil's drumming - really rather good indeed!! - Watch out for "Ace of Spades" Bedouin's alter-ego when they do a Motorhead tribute in the near future! Guy T. From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Mon Oct 11 09:15:45 1999 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (Sonique) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 23:15:45 +1000 Subject: OFF: Lemmy radio programme/Last Laugh Message-ID: On 10 Oct 99, at 23:30, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > Secondly, the Freak Emporium are stocking an album by a Swedish > stoner-rock band called Last Laugh, which they claim includes ex-members of > Darxtar. That came as a surprise to me as I thought there was only one > ex-member of Darxtar and we knew what he was doing (hi Juha); what's this, a > side-project, Lines's band, or just a case of should-be-spelt-Dark-Star? That's Patric's other band (of the Swedish darXtar we all know and love) S. -- sonique at sonique.net From dhira.lalita at VIRGIN.NET Mon Oct 11 11:20:18 1999 From: dhira.lalita at VIRGIN.NET (Dhira Lalita) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:20:18 +0100 Subject: HW: Wavendon Gig Message-ID: Hi, got any more info. like 'phone number? The number is not listed, thanks DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Lee To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Sunday, October 03, 1999 9:01 PM Subject: HW: Wavendon Gig Hi, tickets are now on sale for the Hawkwind gig on Wed 11th November at Wavendon Stables in Milton Keynes. The price is ?19.50 for unseated tickets, which while sounds like it might include the controversial 'Lemmy tax' is about about the going rate for the Stables, which is more famous as a jazz venue (its owned by Cleo Lane and Johnny Dankworth) although quite a few 'older' rock bands do seem to play there(Mick Abraham's recent Tull tribute tour, Wishbone Ash, amongst others). 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The price is ?19.50 for unseated tickets, which while sounds like it might include the controversial 'Lemmy tax' is about about the going rate for the Stables, which is more famous as a jazz venue (its owned by Cleo Lane and Johnny Dankworth) although quite a few 'older' rock bands do seem to play there(Mick Abraham's recent Tull tribute tour, Wishbone Ash, amongst others). I've not been there but it has a very good reputation although rather small I believe (3-400?). Its slogan is 'get initmate with the stars'. Nick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Oct 12 10:42:57 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:42:57 +0100 Subject: de=da=duh=D'OH/ bloooooze and thievery In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You already know what Carl & Larry have been sying, so BIG snips: >At 19.15 -0400 99-10-07, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: >>In a message dated 10/7/99 5:10:00 PM, cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK writes: >> >><< >>I emphasize that I'm not discussing whether Zeppelin did with the blues >>songs they ripped off was legally or morally correct, >>=snip >>no! it's not any kinda matter of societal evolution! why are you giving these >> but in this case, zeppelin stole. >=snip >What I am doing is making the observation that stealing of that sort was >once very much the norm and not viewed negatively. A medieval author would >cheerfully plagarize other authors in constructing his own work-- > Also not making moral judgements (merely making further observations), but Lord Of The Rings is not credited to "Trad, arr. J.R.R.Tolkien"...Likewise Poul Anerson's "The Broken Sword" (same source myths). Likewise, Terry Pratchett's entire Discworld is built on spoofing, plagiarizing, rewriting and generally causing mayhem to all kinds of myths, legends, cliches & bits of literary history (though of course he'd cheerfully admit to all that). Tolkien himself has been mercilessly plagiarized by authors of varying degrees of talent, and I'm sure that most fields of literature have the same phenomenon - one of the Booker prize nominees has been accused just recently...this stuff will always happen, the trick is figuring out at what point it actually becomes a rip-off! ChrisW "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Oct 12 10:30:35 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:30:35 +0100 Subject: OFF: Black Sabbath? (In praise of R'n'R) In-Reply-To: <19991008151643.95521.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: At 08:16 08.10.1999 PDT, you wrote: >>From: "Michael K. Elwood" >>Yes, it's not Shakespeare or Goethe, but what do you expect? >>ObLP: Black Sabbath, Volume 4 > >Yaay! It's only rock and roll AND I like. > >ObLP (vinyl scratches sound better than CD scratches): The Minutemen >_Double Nickels on the Dollar_ > >Chris. Yaay - I've had more completely unplayable CD's than vinyl. Asmall amount of silver cleaner such as "Silvo" can help by taking the "sharp" edges off scratches, thus allowing the mechanism to track through - don't use coarser abrasives like "Brasso" though! Cheers, ChrisW "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Oct 12 11:42:25 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:42:25 +0100 Subject: OFF: Lemmy radio programme/Last Laugh In-Reply-To: <002501bf13bc$c2445220$231ec8c3@johann> Message-ID: Yup, a very famous piece of broadcast sf - I think there might even have been more than one series of stuff featuring "Jet Morgan" - I can't comment on the quality, never having heard it, but I believe it's available on BBC cassette - you could probably get it through yr local public library. As for characters called Lemmy, I refer you to Godard's "Alphaville, Une Etrange Aventure de Lemmy Caution" (1965) "a dazzling amalgam of film noir & science fiction" ChrisW At 08:46 11.10.1999 +0100, you wrote: >It was the 50's - I remember my dad listening to it and saying how he >remembered it from being a boy... > >Kevin Perry >Sonic Energy Authority >http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ > >"It is the business of the future to be dangerous; >and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its >duties." > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jonathan Jarrett >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 2:21 AM >Subject: Re: OFF: Lemmy radio programme/Last Laugh > > >> On Sun, 10 Oct 1999, Kevin Perry wrote: >> >> > There was: it was a serial on Radio 2 that was really, really bad - no, >it >> > wasn't an adaptation of TotH - that would have been (marginally - it's a >> > lousy story, and as for Queens of Deleria...) better! Lemmy was the >really >> > whingy character (if I recall rightly) who was the engineer. >> >> Well, my housemate has just mailed me to say that he remembered >> the title, ("Journey Into Space") and with this had dug it up on the web, >> and among other characters it features a Mitch Mitchell and Doc Matthews. >> The other one was Jet Morgan and the whole thing was by a Charles Chilton. >> He also claims it was 50s; can this be so? With both a Lemmy and a Mitch >> in it? Did they both listen to it as boys or something? Is the famous >> Lemmy-a-fiver story up the pipe or is it all the merest coincidence? Shall >> I go to bed? Yes, perhaps I shall... Yours, >> Jon >> > > > "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From totalnut at TELEKABEL.NL Mon Oct 11 12:09:47 1999 From: totalnut at TELEKABEL.NL (totalnut) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:09:47 +0200 Subject: BOC, OFF: Blues music, Iron Maiden, BOC lyrics, album c Message-ID: I agree on the albumcovers thing. I myself somethimes notice by looking at the cover i think its either great or terrible. Before i even heard it. Then i mostly put myself to listening (with my eyes closed) so no cover peekin. For me usely it does a good trick. But then i take it home an i'll be disgusyed again by what i see. hehe Dukic K ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Jarrett To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 12:50 AM Subject: Re: BOC, OFF: Blues music, Iron Maiden, BOC lyrics, album c > On Thu, 7 Oct 1999, wrote: > > > > >Sorry if that seemed like a rant, but to me, album covers are just > > > >artwork that often have little to do with the musical content contained > > > >within. Not always of course, but often enough. > > > > > > I'll agree. My personal example is Sabbath's "Born Again". The cover > > is wretched, but I absolutely love this album. Probably not a very > > popular one overall, though. > > Sabbath covers are often good examples - the single reason I > haven't yet bought _Sabotage_ is that the cover makes me cringe every time > I pick up a copy. I know it's good, but I cannot help but see a bunch of > stupidly-dressed pot-rockers running to fat and put it back, every time... > Yours, > Jon > From totalnut at TELEKABEL.NL Mon Oct 11 12:17:36 1999 From: totalnut at TELEKABEL.NL (totalnut) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:17:36 +0200 Subject: OFF: Black Sabbath? Message-ID: Well as i can recall having your tapes at home :-) you did write. Only in my opinion it isn't so crappy. Some more appriciation might be coming ur way my friend Dukic K ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 8:53 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Black Sabbath? > In a message dated 10/10/99 8:46:54 PM, jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK > writes: > > << On Fri, 8 Oct 1999, Doug Pearson wrote: > > > >Digusting, isn't it? :) But I'm all in favour of putting my artistic > > >integrity on the back burner so that I actually have a chance to wield it > > >more effectively in the future. > > > > > >Mind you, not many artists seem to follow quite that plan .... > > >> > =============== > what i'd wished i coulda done was write =one= crappy 'hit' which woulda > subsidized everything else, be it under another name, or as performed by > another, or... > oh the calculation > oh the situationist ethics > hoo hah > "<>" > From totalnut at TELEKABEL.NL Mon Oct 11 12:20:03 1999 From: totalnut at TELEKABEL.NL (totalnut) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:20:03 +0200 Subject: new HAWKWIND tourdates Message-ID: Hi Bart No info on that from that here, but i'd like stay informed nice and closeby Dukic K ----- Original Message ----- From: Bart Brugmans To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 11:00 AM Subject: Re: new HAWKWIND tourdates > Hi all, > is this the so long awated reunion gig? > > > 5th December - Academy, Brixton > > Then I'll be there. On the web-site of Brixton Academy it is not yet > mentioned. > > > > anybody knows more about the london date. > I would like some more info to... > > --BArt > From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Mon Oct 11 12:20:28 1999 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:20:28 +0200 Subject: new HAWKWIND tourdates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Hi all, >is this the so long awated reunion gig? > > > 5th December - Academy, Brixton > >Then I'll be there. On the web-site of Brixton Academy it is not yet >mentioned. > > > > anybody knows more about the london date. >I would like some more info to... hi bart what's the url for brixton academy. thanks andre From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Oct 11 12:46:37 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:46:37 EDT Subject: OFF: Black Sabbath? (In praise of R'n'R) Message-ID: In a message dated 10/11/99 11:57:28 AM, desdinova at EARTHLING.NET writes: << >_Double Nickels on the Dollar_ > >> ========================== um, on the =>dime<= ^_~ we know you know... "<>" From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Oct 11 13:38:12 1999 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:38:12 PDT Subject: OFF: Black Sabbath? (In praise of R'n'R) Message-ID: ><< >_Double Nickels on the Dollar_ > > >> >========================== >um, on the =>dime<= ^_~ > >we know you know... >"<>" GASP! You do believe I was actually listening to it, don't you? Don't you? What about _3-way tie for last_ that's right innit??? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Mon Oct 11 13:49:21 1999 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:49:21 +0100 Subject: new HAWKWIND tourdates Message-ID: >> > 5th December - Academy, Brixton >> Wouldn't want to get my hopes up too much, but has anyone else noticed that Motorhead's tour finishes on the 4th Dec in London? From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Oct 11 14:08:38 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:08:38 EDT Subject: OFF: Black Sabbath? (In praise of R'n'R) Message-ID: In a message dated 10/11/99 1:39:32 PM, beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM writes: << GASP! You do believe I was actually listening to it, don't you? Don't you? What about _3-way tie for last_ that's right innit??? =========_ >> yeah i tink zo...it's in ze other room...tink i am der completist viz dem. d boon RIP "<>" From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Oct 11 14:18:23 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:18:23 +0100 Subject: new HAWKWIND tourdates Message-ID: Don't get your hopes up Hawkwind and Motorhead dates have been co-inciding since 1978!!! Mind you, both were managed by Doug Sniff then. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Nick Lee To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 11 October 1999 19:00 Subject: Re: new HAWKWIND tourdates >>> > 5th December - Academy, Brixton >>> >Wouldn't want to get my hopes up too much, but has anyone else noticed that >Motorhead's tour finishes on the 4th Dec in London? > From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Mon Oct 11 15:15:33 1999 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (si halley) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:15:33 +0100 Subject: OFF: Motorhead help Message-ID: Has any kind soul out there got a (reletively) complete singles discography for Motorhead listing the b'sides of 7" and 12"s? I don`t want anyone to go about writing one just for me but if you have one laying about on the computer could you send me a copy? Many thanks Si ----------------------------------------------- The Alice Cooper Trivia File: http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/ The Tubes Archive: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/7998/index.htm From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Mon Oct 11 16:50:39 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:50:39 +0200 Subject: new HAWKWIND tourdates In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991011181950.00963490@pop.casema.net> Message-ID: The url is: http://www.brixton-academy.co.uk They have an online ticked service. -BArt > hi bart > what's the url for brixton academy. From kg at THING.DE Mon Oct 11 18:58:13 1999 From: kg at THING.DE (Knut Gerwers) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 00:58:13 +0200 Subject: new Hawkwind site Message-ID: hello list, I just got contacted by another german webmaster who has put up a new hawkwind website at: http://www.d-rider-de the actual content so far shows not so much new stuff - but the actual design is quite good - and looks promising in terms of what might happen there in the future. best, knut From novadrive at HOME.COM Tue Oct 12 10:22:08 1999 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 07:22:08 -0700 Subject: HW: New releases Message-ID: >From The Artist Shop newsletter: Hawkwind/Live At Glastonbury Festival 1990 - By the end of the 80's, after numerous line up changes, arguments over royalties and the death of Robert Calvert it looked like the end of Hawkwind. But with yet another new line up, the album Space Bandits was issued on Castle to great acclaim, with the band's date sheet fuller than ever, playing dates with the new breed of festival acts such as Ozric Tentacles. This gig was recorded at the band's spiritual home Glastonbury at 5 a.m. in the Travellers Field, it is previously unreleased and includes a blend of old and new material. Musicians Bridget Wishart::vocals. Dave Brock::vocals, guitars, keyboard. Alan Davey::bass, vocals. Harvey Bainbridge::vocals, keyboards Richard Chadwick::Drums. Hawkwind/Greasy Truckers - This gig was recorded at the Roundhouse in 1972 at The Greasy Truckers Party. Featuring the classic line up of Brock, Calvert, Turner, Lemmy, King, Dikmik and Dettmar. The original version of Silver Machine, with Calvert on spoken - word vocals was featured in the set. Hawkwind's manager Doug Smith then took Lemmy into Morgan Studios to re-record the vocals,and the single released later in the year became an international best seller. Hawkwind/Choose Your Masques - Live 1982 - Collectors Series Volume 1 - The early 80's saw Hawkwind signed to RCA, 3 albums were released, of which Choose Your Masques was the most successful. Whilst the band had gone through another line up change, the core of Dave Brock, Huw Lloyd - Langton and Harvey Bainbridge saw their date sheet as full as ever. This double cd is a 24 track recording of the complete show with a full colour booklet, which is a faithfull reproduction of the tour programme. Hawkwind/Complete '79 - Collectors Series Volume 2 - By 1979 the band consisted of Brock, Lloyd - Langton, King, Bainbridge with special guest Tim Blake of Gong. The album Live Seventy Nine (re -issued by Castle) captured the punky spirit of the period and resulted in a minor hit single "Shot Down In The Night". This double cd set is a complete show from the 1979 tour, and the booklet consists of a full colour reproduction of the tour programme. ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop.com phone: 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu From mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU Tue Oct 12 11:23:01 1999 From: mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:23:01 -0400 Subject: bloooooze and thievery Message-ID: Keith Henderson wrote: > George Thorogood is the most obvious culprit. Maybe Carl's right and > you can't write any original blues songs, but I don't think George has ever > tried. I'm sure he credits all the people who wrote those songs, and money > must certainly go back to the original songwriters (or their heirs), but why > does he even exist in the first place? He's added nothing to the rock/blues > music library IMHO. Hey! George Thorogood put Bo Diddley in one of his early videos. Now that's payback and acknowledgement. I also liked what Quicksilver Messenger Service did with their sidelong version of "Who Do You Love": compositional credit for the solos was given to the soloist for the songwriting royalties, but the head and the coda were credited as two separate tracks so Bo got paid twice. (Well, three times, since they also did "Mona" on the second side. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Oct 12 12:13:54 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:13:54 EDT Subject: bloooooze and thievery Message-ID: In a message dated 10/12/99 11:18:55 AM, mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU writes: << > George Thorogood is the most obvious culprit. Maybe Carl's right and > you can't write any original blues songs, but I don't think George has ever > tried. I'm sure he credits all the people who wrote those songs, and money > must certainly go back to the original songwriters (or their heirs), but why > does he even exist in the first place? He's added nothing to the rock/blues > music library IMHO. >> ============== on the xistence of geo. thorogood: heck if i know...heh...but he was on rounder records in the mid-70s, and while obviously not a punk, he was on the raw and rockin' side, a rarity just then. but enduring 20, 000 plays of his version of "who do you love" (from several years later) would make anyone cranky, i reckon. if he 'added' anything, it involved cleaving to his roots at a time when it was boston and foreigner uber alles... "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Oct 12 12:20:11 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:20:11 EDT Subject: HW: New releases Message-ID: In a message dated 10/12/99 10:23:06 AM, novadrive at HOME.COM writes: << Hawkwind/Greasy Truckers - This gig was recorded at the Roundhouse in 1972 at The Greasy Truckers Party. Featuring the classic line up of Brock, Calvert, Turner, Lemmy, King, Dikmik and Dettmar. >> ======== twasnt king, but ollis, drumming on the greasy truckers stuff... "<>" From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Tue Oct 12 12:37:54 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:37:54 -0500 Subject: HW Borders "Greasy Truckers" Message-ID: STOP !! ! Don't buy this CD listed on Borders as Greasy Truckers.... It is a 2 song "Man" CD, with nothing else on it. I guess from the Greasy Truckers Album. I'm returning it today for a refund and requesting they remove it from the Hawkwind search matches. Also, the web server that Hawkman Music is on has been down the last couple of daze. We had a real nice Brainstorm last week that knocked power out to a lot of Altus and damaged the silicon chips (inside my head) at Internet Services Plus (intplsrv). Oklahoma City what a pity it's gone.... (NOT) Hawkman www.intplsrv.net/hawkman From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Oct 12 13:00:09 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:00:09 -0700 Subject: HW Borders "Greasy Truckers" Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:37:54 -0500, Stephan Spiegel wrote: >STOP !! ! > > Don't buy this CD listed on Borders as Greasy Truckers.... ... unless you're a Man fan! >It is a 2 song "Man" CD, with nothing else on it. I guess from the >Greasy Truckers Album. Yeah, it's been out for a while. The 20-minute version of "Spunk Rock" absolutely rules, though. Highly recommended. > I'm returning it today for a refund and requesting they remove >it from the Hawkwind search matches. I'd gladly buy it from you at your cost, since I only have the Man tracks on vinyl. It would be nice to have the Brinsley Schwarz stuff on CD, too, although that's not nearly as essential as the Man or (especially) Hawkwind tracks (which are already on the 'Space Ritual' remastered CD, as Andy Gilham already pointed out (actually, he already pointed all of this out so why am I wasing bandwidth?)). The Magic Michael track on 'Greasy Truckers Party' is something I can definitely live without, though (someone should have smashed his guitar ala John Belushi in Animal House). -Doug ceres at sirius.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Oct 12 12:51:38 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:51:38 -0700 Subject: HW: New releases Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:20:11 EDT, DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: >In a message dated 10/12/99 10:23:06 AM, novadrive at HOME.COM writes: > ><< Hawkwind/Greasy Truckers - This gig was recorded at the Roundhouse in 1972 > >at The Greasy Truckers Party. Featuring the classic line up of Brock, > >Calvert, Turner, Lemmy, King, Dikmik and Dettmar. >> >======== >twasnt king, but ollis, drumming on the greasy truckers stuff... According to the gig personnel list that's floating around (one copy found at http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/files/gigs.txt), the Greasy Truckers gig (London Roundhouse 13.02.72 Sun BR/KI/TU/DI/LE/DE/CA) was Simon King's third gig with Hawkwind (the first two were 11.02.72 and 12.02.72 - the 11.02.72 gig at New Cross Goldsmith College is listed as having both Terry Ollis and Simon King drumming). The gig setlist (http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/files/tracks.txt) lists the following for this gig: 13.02.72, LONDON, ROUNDHOUSE, 30/10 master of the universe / born to go / make what you can / silver machine / welcome Is "Make What You Can" the jam that closes out "Born To Go"? Does anyone have any idea if this release will include anything that wasn't previously released on 'Greasy Truckers' (the first 2 or 3 tracks) and 'Glastonbury Fayre' (the last 2 tracks)? Or did Hawkwind only have 30 minutes to play that night, given the power outage, etc.? Regardless, this ought to be a pretty essential release! -Doug ceres at sirius.com From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Oct 12 13:14:37 1999 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 01:14:37 +0800 Subject: HW: New releases In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991012095138.008f3310@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: > Is "Make What You Can" the jam that closes out "Born To Go"? Make What You Can is an actual song which doesn't appear to be part of any jam sessions. It also seems to me to be later than this, as the sound is more in line with the material from around '74? William From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Oct 12 13:21:14 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:21:14 EDT Subject: HW: New releases Message-ID: In a message dated 10/12/99 1:04:03 PM, ceres at SIRIUS.COM writes: lb says: << ======== >twasnt king, but ollis, drumming on the greasy truckers stuff... ======= According to the gig personnel list that's floating around (one copy found at http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/files/gigs.txt), the Greasy Truckers gig (London Roundhouse 13.02.72 Sun BR/KI/TU/DI/LE/DE/CA) was Simon King's third gig with Hawkwind (the first two were 11.02.72 and 12.02.72 - the 11.02.72 gig at New Cross Goldsmith College is listed as having both Terry Ollis and Simon King drumming). The gig setlist (http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/files/tracks.txt) lists the following for this gig: 13.02.72, LONDON, ROUNDHOUSE, 30/10 master of the universe / born to go / make what you can / silver machine / welcome Is "Make What You Can" the jam that closes out "Born To Go"? Does anyone have any idea if this release will include anything that wasn't previously released on 'Greasy Truckers' (the first 2 or 3 tracks) and 'Glastonbury Fayre' (the last 2 tracks)? Or did Hawkwind only have 30 minutes to play that night, given the power outage, etc.? >> ========== dadgummit, once more i must be mulish in the face of someone's hard copy...sigh... i'll maintain it's ollis, not king. although it's clearly king on "make what you can". c'mon, drummers in the audience, does it >sound< like king on that uneven, flailing version of 'born to go' compared to the 'space ritual' version? does it >sound< like king on 'silver machine' compared to, for instance, the BBC 72 cd version? king may have joined the ranks around this time, and boy would i love to find a tape of a gig w/both king and ollis drumming, but ollis was still around that may or june, judging from audience tapes i've got. jill, sonique, mr parr, anyone === am i truly alone in believing this? cant you just listen and tell the difference? aw, nertz... "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Oct 12 13:52:17 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:52:17 EDT Subject: HW: New releases Message-ID: In a message dated 10/12/99 1:15:08 PM, xl5 at IINET.NET.AU writes: << Make What You Can is an actual song which doesn't appear to be part of any jam sessions. It also seems to me to be later than this, as the sound is more in line with the material from around '74? >> ======================= it's on one of the weird tapes....sounded to me like: A) the "space ritual" lineup B) a new, under-rehearsed and subsequently dropped selection C) like it's an encore, or about to be followed by "welcome to the future" on the tape. IMHO HMO E-I-E-I-O WHOA-OH-OH-FEELINGS...... nnnggghhh "<>" From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Oct 12 15:44:12 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:44:12 -0400 Subject: OFF: Bevis Frond Live album Message-ID: I picked up the new Bevis Frond live album, _Live at the Great American Music Hall, San Francisco_ at my local shop today. I'm giving it its first spin right now, actually, via the CD-ROM drive on my Alpha... So far, I'm liking what I hear... a lot. In fact, it makes me wish I could catch a gig on the current tour!! :-( I'm guessing it's a soundboard recording, which is a bit of a shame in a way, because they tend to rob recordings of the ambience ("warmth") that a good audience recording (or remixed recording truck recording) can impart. So, this disc can sound a little "sparse" at times, which I'm sure isn't the case at the actual gig! Of course, I've just been listening through headphones so far; I might revise my opinion when I get it home blasting through the loudspeakers! :-) BTW, I was surprised to see the disc already in the Internet CDDB when I played it. (Today is its official release date.) That bodes well! Cheers, Paul. NP: The Bevis Frond, _Live at the Great American Hall, San Francisco_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I don't live today; maybe tomorrow..." --- James Marshall Hendrix From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Oct 13 12:47:14 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:47:14 +0100 Subject: bloooooze and thievery In-Reply-To: <0.8ff27175.2534b842@aol.com> Message-ID: At 12:13 12.10.1999 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 10/12/99 11:18:55 AM, mcintyre at PA.MSU.EDU writes: > ><< > George Thorogood is the most obvious culprit. Maybe Carl's right and >> you can't write any original blues songs, but I don't think George has ever >> tried. I'm sure he credits all the people who wrote those songs, and money >> must certainly go back to the original songwriters (or their heirs), but why >> does he even exist in the first place? He's added nothing to the rock/blues >> music library IMHO. > >> >============== >on the xistence of geo. thorogood: >heck if i know...heh...but he was on rounder records in the mid-70s, and >while obviously not a punk, he was on the raw and rockin' side, a rarity just >then. > but enduring 20, 000 plays of his version of "who do you love" (from several >years later) would make anyone cranky, i reckon. >if he 'added' anything, it involved cleaving to his roots at a time when it >was boston and foreigner uber alles... > >"<>" Abso-****ing-lutely: GT may not have been a great originator, but he WAS a damn fine interpreter, and the man in the snakeskin boots gave me (& '00s of others) a really great night out at Rock City - one of the best shows at one of the best venues of the period, period! You can bet he also turned a lot of snot-nosed kids into blues fans who might otherwise have just spent their wedge on making Foreigner/Boston et al. even richer. ChrisW "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Oct 12 16:56:25 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 21:56:25 +0100 Subject: bloooooze and thievery In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991013174714.00808100@mail.clara.net> Message-ID: > > Abso-****ing-lutely: GT may not have been a great originator, but he WAS a > damn fine interpreter, and the man in the snakeskin boots gave me (& '00s > of others) a really great night out at Rock City - one of the > best shows at > one of the best venues of the period, period! Not to mention the Thanksgiving '86 show in Charlotte, one of the finest live shows in my memory. (*And* he told the "northern girls/southern girls" joke. ;) --Andy ObCD: The Visitors - _Visitation '79_ mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From totalnut at TELEKABEL.NL Tue Oct 12 17:21:51 1999 From: totalnut at TELEKABEL.NL (totalnut) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 23:21:51 +0200 Subject: HW: New releases Message-ID: "<>" Grin big grin especially about the last part of your mail Dukic K ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 7:52 PM Subject: Re: HW: New releases > In a message dated 10/12/99 1:15:08 PM, xl5 at IINET.NET.AU writes: > > << > > Make What You Can is an actual song which doesn't appear to be part of any > > jam sessions. It also seems to me to be later than this, as the sound is > > more in line with the material from around '74? > > >> > ======================= > it's on one of the weird tapes....sounded to me like: > A) the "space ritual" lineup > B) a new, under-rehearsed and subsequently dropped selection > C) like it's an encore, or about to be followed by "welcome to the future" on > the tape. > > IMHO > HMO > E-I-E-I-O > WHOA-OH-OH-FEELINGS...... > nnnggghhh > > "<>" > From bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET Tue Oct 12 17:39:51 1999 From: bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:39:51 -0400 Subject: OFF: bloooooze and thievery In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> Abso-****ing-lutely: GT may not have been a great originator, but he WAS a >> damn fine interpreter, and the man in the snakeskin boots gave me (& '00s >> of others) a really great night out at Rock City - one of the >> best shows at >> one of the best venues of the period, period! > >Not to mention the Thanksgiving '86 show in Charlotte, one of the finest >live shows in my memory. (*And* he told the "northern girls/southern girls" >joke. ;) Anyone who can tour all 50 states in 50 days has to be worth something. Of course, Def Leppard played three continents in a day (or something along those lines). So I withdrawl my previous observiation.... Brian obSong> Bad to the Bone (an original GT tune, BTW) >--Andy > >ObCD: The Visitors - _Visitation '79_ > >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET Tue Oct 12 17:50:25 1999 From: bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:50:25 -0400 Subject: OFF: Bevis Frond Live album In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Paul said: >I'm guessing it's a soundboard recording, which is a bit of a shame in a >way, because they tend to rob recordings of the ambience ("warmth") that >a good audience recording (or remixed recording truck recording) can >impart. So, this disc can sound a little "sparse" at times, which I'm >sure isn't the case at the actual gig! Is Nick's guitar loud enough in the mix? That's all I'm worried about. ;-) BTW- I had a good experience at the Rochester Frond gig I'd like to mention. I asked Ade for a copy of his new CD, "Head Cleaner," but he didn't have any copies at the gig. So he asked me "What do CD's go for around here?" I paid him in cash, and he told me to write to his e-mail address and explain the situation to his son Aaron, who reads the mail and would send me a copy. I was a little skeptical, but it wasn't long after I had written that I received the CD. I would have complained on BOC-L if I hadn't received it, so I thought it was fair play to praise as well. Brian obCD> "Head Cleaner" -Adrian Shaw >Paul. > >NP: The Bevis Frond, _Live at the Great American Hall, San Francisco_ > >e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > >"I don't live today; maybe tomorrow..." > --- James Marshall Hendrix From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Tue Oct 12 20:05:18 1999 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:05:18 EDT Subject: HW Borders "Greasy Truckers" Message-ID: In a message dated 10/12/99 9:46:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET writes: << STOP !! ! Don't buy this CD listed on Borders as Greasy Truckers.... It is a 2 song "Man" CD, with nothing else on it. I guess from the Greasy Truckers Album. >> I was wondering why the Borders site only listed 2 man songs from the 2LP and no other tracks...I didn't think all the music could fit onto one cd. actually the Man 2 tracks are quite good, and possibly worth keeping. bob From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Oct 13 02:17:22 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 02:17:22 EDT Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Set-list 10/9/99 Message-ID: "Space Does Not Care" 10/9/99 <88.3 fm KUCR, 5-8pm pst Saturdays> 1.Julian Cope--I Come From Another Planet, Baby (Interpreter) 2.Beyondomatic--Green Organ Preciface (Your Body) 3.Magic Mushroom Band--Before Tomorrow Comes/Turban Paranoia (The Spaced Collection) 4.Conrad Schnitzler--Contrapuntal Interstellar Radars (Space Box comp) 5.The Groundhogs--Split pt. 1 (Split) 6.Capt. Beefheart--Tropical Hotdog Night (Shiny Beast ) 7.Frank Zappa--City of Tiny Lites (Shiek Yerbouti) 8.Alman Mulo Band--Antario (Orisha) 9.Ozric Tentacles--Pteranodon (Jurassic Shift) 10.Neu!--Fur Immer (Neu! 2) 11.Hans Joachim Roedelius--Mr. Livingstone (Durch die Wuste) 12.Sundial--Nova (Acid Yantra) 13.Pressurehed--Beyond the Pale Mirrors (Infadrone) 14.ST-37--Night Jetz (Space-age) 15.Hawkwind--Free Fall (Sonic Assassins EP, Mighty Hawkwind Classics) 16.Hawkwind--You Shouldn't Do That (Roadhawks, Stasis, many other albums) 17.Orb--Oxbow Lakes (Orbus Terrarum) 18.Spaceship Eyes--Drum 'N' Smoke (Through the Eyes of a Spaceship; thanks to D. Falcone) 19.Future Sound of London--?? (Lifeforms; lost the case, 4th track on 2nd CD) 20.Psychedelic Warriors (Hawkwind)--In Search of Shangrila (White Zone) 21.Cactus--Evil (Restrictions) 22.Daniel Lanois--Under a Stormy Sky (Acadie) 23.Faust--excerpt (Faust Tapes, "track" 5) 24.Gong--Eat That Phonebook (Angel's Egg) 25.Anubian Lights--Anubian Light Destiny (Eternal Sky) 26.Man (U.S.)--Child in Time (Man) Comments or questions welcome, Chuck From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Oct 13 04:03:51 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 04:03:51 EDT Subject: Fwd: OFF:Motorhead 45'S, EP'S, etc Message-ID: In a message dated 10/12/99 6:07:02 PM, RMayo19761 writes: << only too happy to help: leaving here/white line fever -1977. never released by stiff as a single except in a 9-sinlge box set (i stole one); tunes subsequently used on legit stiff comps, motor-comps legit and non-legit. motorhead/city kids -1977. chiswick/big beat louie louie/tear ya down -1978. bronze tear ya down same version/diff mix as on 'overkill' lp. overkill/too late, too late -1979. bronze no class/like a nightmare -1979. bronze 3 diif. sleeves; each member w/ chick. bomber/over the top -1979. bronze golden years live e.p. leaving here/ stone dead forever/dead men tell no tales/too late too late -1980. bronze ace of spades/dirty love -1980. bronze st valentine's day massacre e.p. (w/girlschool) please don't touch (both)/bomber (gs)/emergency (mh) -1981 bronze motorhead (live)/over the top(live) -1981 bronze iron fist/remember me i'm gone -1882 bronze stand by your man e.p. (w/ plasmatics; w/o eddie clark) stand by your man(both)/no class (pm)/masterplan(mh) -1982 bronze i got mine/turn you 'round again -1983 bronze shine/hoochie coochie man(live)/don't need religion(live) -1983 bronze killed by death/under the knife/under the knife(2 completely different songs!) -1984 bronze deaf forever/steal your face(live)on the road(live)[early version of built for speed] -1986 gwr eat the rich/just cause you've got the power/cradle to the grave -1987 gwr live in athens e.p. orgasmatron/acropolis(metropolis) available only with 1st pressing of no sleep at all lp in greece -1988 roadrunner in greece the one to sing the blues/dead man's hand/eagle rock -1991 epic the '92 tour e.p. hellraiser/you better run/going to brazil/ramones -1992 epic born to raise hell/don't let daddy kiss me -1993 xyz excluding promos, flexi's, guest appearances by individual members, fan-club-only, and other periphery; track lists are for 12" singles where applicable; labels listed are for uk releases. hope i've helped rmayo >> -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: RMayo19761 at aol.com Subject: Re: OFF: Motorhead help Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 18:07:02 EDT Size: 2300 URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Oct 13 06:58:40 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:58:40 +0100 Subject: BADAM99 refunds? Message-ID: The BADAM web site claims that news of refunds will be posted on September 30th. This didn't happen. Does anyone know what's happening? Is there a time limit on a claim to the Small Claims Court in England? FoFP From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Oct 13 08:19:54 1999 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 05:19:54 PDT Subject: tBS: Piece of Work Message-ID: Hi kids....... Anyone else get their copy of "Piece of Work"? I got mine yesterday and it hasn't left the player yet. Look for a review of it, coming to a Boc-l near you. First impressions of it are damn good. It sounds much like Box of Hammers, with some wonky twists. I can almost hear Jason running to the mailbox. :^) Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos *********************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Oct 13 08:39:42 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:39:42 +0100 Subject: tBS: Piece of Work In-Reply-To: <19991013121955.60704.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > First impressions of it are damn good. It sounds much like Box of Hammers, > with some wonky twists. > Wow, that's great, because me, I can't get enough of those wonky twists!! :) --Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET Wed Oct 13 08:47:36 1999 From: bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:47:36 -0400 Subject: tBS: Piece of Work In-Reply-To: <19991013121955.60704.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: Torgo writes: >Anyone else get their copy of "Piece of Work"? I got mine yesterday and it >hasn't left the player yet. Look for a review of it, coming to a Boc-l near >you. Hi Torgo. I ordered mine through the Artist Shop and they don't have it listed as being in yet. I hope that means they just haven't updated the site. I'm hoping to get the Bevis Frond live album today in the mail, so it would make my day perfect if PoW came too. >First impressions of it are damn good. It sounds much like Box of Hammers, >with some wonky twists. Aren't the wonky twists what the Surgeons are all about? :-) >I can almost hear Jason running to the mailbox. :^) Better than running after the UPS truck and finding he'd have to wait another week for his King Crimson 30year Remaster CD.... (Hi J!) Brian From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Oct 13 11:23:45 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:23:45 -0400 Subject: OFF: Bevis Frond Live album In-Reply-To: <4.1.19991012174116.009487a0@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, Brian Halligan wrote: => Is Nick's guitar loud enough in the mix? That's all I'm worried about. ;-) Yes; most definitely. No worries there... ;-) There's a ripper version of "Stoned Train Driver," and the Arthur Lee cover is monster (never heard the original, though)... Cheers, Paul. NP: The Bevis Frond, _Live at the Great American Hall, San Francisco_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I don't live today; maybe tomorrow..." --- James Marshall Hendrix From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Thu Oct 14 12:11:37 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:11:37 +0100 Subject: Fwd: OFF:Motorhead 45'S, EP'S, etc In-Reply-To: <0.c7b70e6.253596e7@aol.com> Message-ID: There's a 12" missing - have to work from memory 'coz mine's in storage, but it's on Big Beat (I think), blue vinyl, and carries a version of John Mayall's "I'm Your Witchdoctor" and "Beer Drikers, Hell Raisers". Don't remember what the other two tracks were... Cheers, ChrisW ================================ At 04:03 13.10.1999 EDT, you wrote: > >In a message dated 10/12/99 6:07:02 PM, RMayo19761 writes: > ><< only too happy to help: >leaving here/white line fever >-1977. never released by stiff as a single except in a 9-sinlge box set (i >stole one); tunes subsequently used on legit stiff comps, motor-comps legit >and non-legit. >motorhead/city kids >-1977. chiswick/big beat >louie louie/tear ya down >-1978. bronze tear ya down same version/diff mix as on 'overkill' lp. >overkill/too late, too late >-1979. bronze >no class/like a nightmare >-1979. bronze 3 diif. sleeves; each member w/ chick. >bomber/over the top >-1979. bronze >golden years live e.p. >leaving here/ stone dead forever/dead men tell no tales/too late too late >-1980. bronze >ace of spades/dirty love >-1980. bronze >st valentine's day massacre e.p. (w/girlschool) >please don't touch (both)/bomber (gs)/emergency (mh) >-1981 bronze >motorhead (live)/over the top(live) >-1981 bronze >iron fist/remember me i'm gone >-1882 bronze >stand by your man e.p. (w/ plasmatics; w/o eddie clark) >stand by your man(both)/no class (pm)/masterplan(mh) >-1982 bronze >i got mine/turn you 'round again >-1983 bronze >shine/hoochie coochie man(live)/don't need religion(live) >-1983 bronze >killed by death/under the knife/under the knife(2 completely different songs!) >-1984 bronze >deaf forever/steal your face(live)on the road(live)[early version of built >for speed] >-1986 gwr >eat the rich/just cause you've got the power/cradle to the grave >-1987 gwr >live in athens e.p. >orgasmatron/acropolis(metropolis) >available only with 1st pressing of no sleep at all lp in greece >-1988 roadrunner in greece >the one to sing the blues/dead man's hand/eagle rock >-1991 epic >the '92 tour e.p. >hellraiser/you better run/going to brazil/ramones >-1992 epic >born to raise hell/don't let daddy kiss me >-1993 xyz >excluding promos, flexi's, guest appearances by individual members, >fan-club-only, and other periphery; track lists are for 12" singles where >applicable; labels listed are for uk releases. >hope i've helped >rmayo > >> > >Return-path: RMayo19761 at aol.com >From: RMayo19761 at aol.com >Full-name: RMayo19761 >Message-ID: <0.27fb5dca.25350b06 at aol.com> >Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 18:07:02 EDT >Subject: Re: OFF: Motorhead help >To: DASLUD at aol.com >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 > >only too happy to help: >leaving here/white line fever >-1977. never released by stiff as a single except in a 9-sinlge box set (i >stole one); tunes subsequently used on legit stiff comps, motor-comps legit >and non-legit. >motorhead/city kids >-1977. chiswick/big beat >louie louie/tear ya down >-1978. bronze tear ya down same version/diff mix as on 'overkill' lp. >overkill/too late, too late >-1979. bronze >no class/like a nightmare >-1979. bronze 3 diif. sleeves; each member w/ chick. >bomber/over the top >-1979. bronze >golden years live e.p. >leaving here/ stone dead forever/dead men tell no tales/too late too late >-1980. bronze >ace of spades/dirty love >-1980. bronze >st valentine's day massacre e.p. (w/girlschool) >please don't touch (both)/bomber (gs)/emergency (mh) >-1981 bronze >motorhead (live)/over the top(live) >-1981 bronze >iron fist/remember me i'm gone >-1882 bronze >stand by your man e.p. (w/ plasmatics; w/o eddie clark) >stand by your man(both)/no class (pm)/masterplan(mh) >-1982 bronze >i got mine/turn you 'round again >-1983 bronze >shine/hoochie coochie man(live)/don't need religion(live) >-1983 bronze >killed by death/under the knife/under the knife(2 completely different songs!) >-1984 bronze >deaf forever/steal your face(live)on the road(live)[early version of built >for speed] >-1986 gwr >eat the rich/just cause you've got the power/cradle to the grave >-1987 gwr >live in athens e.p. >orgasmatron/acropolis(metropolis) >available only with 1st pressing of no sleep at all lp in greece >-1988 roadrunner in greece >the one to sing the blues/dead man's hand/eagle rock >-1991 epic >the '92 tour e.p. >hellraiser/you better run/going to brazil/ramones >-1992 epic >born to raise hell/don't let daddy kiss me >-1993 xyz >excluding promos, flexi's, guest appearances by individual members, >fan-club-only, and other periphery; track lists are for 12" singles where >applicable; labels listed are for uk releases. >hope i've helped >rmayo > "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Wed Oct 13 14:08:30 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:08:30 -0400 Subject: tBS: Piece of Work is coming. Be ready to rock. In-Reply-To: <4.1.19991013083944.00949ee0@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: At 08:47 AM 10/13/99 -0400, you wrote: >Torgo writes: >>Anyone else get their copy of "Piece of Work"? I got mine yesterday and it >>hasn't left the player yet. Look for a review of it, coming to a Boc-l near >>you. Hiawachaiuh!!! >Aren't the wonky twists what the Surgeons are all about? :-) Damn straight. (momentary pause for anticipatory > >>I can almost hear Jason running to the mailbox. :^) > >Better than running after the UPS truck and finding he'd have to wait >another week for his King Crimson 30year Remaster CD.... (Hi J!) Well, no tBS in the box, but the remaster ItCotCK is currently blasting out the stereo. NICE repackaging.Super smooth cover reporductino. very freaky as it should be. Booklet has clippings from those heady days of yore. Soundwise? IT IS GOOOOOOD. Im using my ole "EG Collector series" cassette for target practice. HOT *(&*&(*&#$ DAMN! Epitaph is now rebounding and resounding in the amps. best comparison in difference of sound. ITS HUGE as in Choose one: a Yugo full of dung or a Lotus Super 7. The choice is clear. Pardon me while I swear in praise: This remaster is unfucking believable. Pardon me while I shut down the jubilation department for the impending Brain Surgeons onslaught (not to mention the impending frond gig!) Kick out the jams motherfuckers! Let there be rock! It will be time! Hallehujah holiday! Jason, who obviously has to lay off the cappucinos ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Oct 13 13:44:29 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 18:44:29 +0100 Subject: FW: HW dates Message-ID: This turned up in my in-box. Some of it is old news by now, but not all! --Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham --- follow are the dates that HW are doing in November November 8 Ocford - Zodiac Club - Cowley Road - 01865 726336 - ?10 9 Norwich - The Waterfront - 01603 632 717 - ?11 10 Wavendon(Nr.Milton Keynes) - The Stables Theatre - 01908 586678 - ?19:50 12 St Austell - Coliseum - 01726 814 261 - ?11 14 Croydon - Fairfield Hall - 0181 681 0821 - ?11 & ?13 I am told by the band that Nik and Simon House will be joining for all dates and Harvey is support and guesting with the band --- From age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Oct 13 05:32:55 1999 From: age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Adrian Parr) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:32:55 +0100 Subject: HW: New Releases Message-ID: Hi Folks About the Greasy Truckers. Although officially Terry Ollis had left by the Roundhouse gig, he was still around. Infact, Terry had sort of left the band before the infamous Goldsmith College gig, prior to the Gresy Truckers Party, but had gone along to the college gig not thinking he'd be playing, as Hawkwind had by then recruited Si King. Terry remembers this era of Hawkwind fairly well, and to use his words "found himself on the drum stool well out of it", from which he later fell off. I'll have a listen to the recordings later, but I've always reckoned it was Si King from the Roundhouse, although i may well be wrong. He was using Terry's drums on joining the band, as Si King didn't have a full kit at that time. These were the drums later stolen under mysterious circumstances. Ah Ah!! All in all, this was still at a time when Hawkwind were dabbling in vast amounts of you know what, still at a time when people didn't show, or were too out of it to play the gigs, and still at a time when people who had left the band were still hanging about and filling in for the occasional gig. Confused????? Regarding Make Wat You Can, wasn't this recorded in the studio in California during Hawkwind's first US tour at the end of 1973. Apparently, it was inspired by Tim Leary. And, yeah, does anyone know what is on the forthcoming Greasy Truckers CD. I heard in was about an hour from Hawkwind's set, which includes the tracks from the vinyl and Glastonbury Fayre album. All the best Age Visit the "Hawkeye on Hawkwind" website at: http://www.conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk/index.html From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Oct 13 15:08:07 1999 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:08:07 +0100 Subject: HW: dates and places Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: > > This turned up in my in-box. Some of it is old news by now, but not all! > > --Andy > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > > --- > follow are the dates that HW are doing in November > November > > 8 Ocford - Zodiac Club - Cowley Road - 01865 726336 - ?10 > 9 Norwich - The Waterfront - 01603 632 717 - ?11 > 10 Wavendon(Nr.Milton Keynes) - The Stables Theatre - 01908 586678 - ?19:50 > 12 St Austell - Coliseum - 01726 814 261 - ?11 > 14 Croydon - Fairfield Hall - 0181 681 0821 - ?11 & ?13 > > I am told by the band that Nik and Simon House will be joining for all dates > and Harvey is support and guesting with the band ack! I've just spent hours in the Library tracking these down - and all I needed to do was read the mailing list. Sigh. Anyhow - for anyone planning to go to Cornwall: the Coliseum is in fact called the "Cornwall Coliseum" [makes a difference when you are trying to find it in the phone book] and is not actually in St. Austell itself but in a town called Carlyon Bay 2 or 3 miles outside down by the coast about half way between the two railway stations of St. Austell and Par. There's a biggish hotel there "Carlyon Bay Hotel" but it looks expensive. However B&Bs should be plentiful. The Fairfield Hall in Park Lane, Croydon is very close to Croydon East station and not too far away from Croydon West either. Croydon is situated in South London well outside the centre [for those who don't know!] and you will have to trust yourself to Thameslink or something similar if you go there by train since there's no underground that far out. However there's a fairly comprehensive bus service by the looks of things as an alternative. Yrs informatively jill -- ====================================================================== Jill Strobridge or J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk ====================================================================== From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Oct 13 15:17:42 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:17:42 -0700 Subject: Fwd: OFF:Motorhead 45'S, EP'S, etc Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:11:37 +0100, Chris Warburton wrote: >There's a 12" missing - have to work from memory 'coz mine's in storage, >but it's on Big Beat (I think), blue vinyl, and carries a version of John >Mayall's "I'm Your Witchdoctor" and "Beer Drikers, Hell Raisers". Don't >remember what the other two tracks were... One of them is the great Larry Wallis composition "On Parole", but I can't remember the fourth song! I can check tonight when I get home ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Wed Oct 13 14:52:52 1999 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (si halley) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:52:52 +0100 Subject: Fwd: OFF:Motorhead 45'S, EP'S, etc Message-ID: ----------------------------------------------- The Alice Cooper Trivia File: http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/ Subject: Re: Fwd: OFF:Motorhead 45'S, EP'S, etc > There's a 12" missing - have to work from memory 'coz mine's in storage, > but it's on Big Beat (I think), blue vinyl, and carries a version of John > Mayall's "I'm Your Witchdoctor" and "Beer Drikers, Hell Raisers". Don't > remember what the other two tracks were... Many thanks to all those who responded. Much appriciated. Si From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Oct 13 15:25:43 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:25:43 EDT Subject: HW: New Releases Message-ID: In a message dated 10/13/99 2:12:52 PM, age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: << I'll have a listen to the recordings later, but I've always reckoned it was Si King from the Roundhouse, although i may well be wrong. He was using Terry's drums on joining the band, as Si King didn't have a full kit at that time. These were the drums later stolen under mysterious circumstances.>> ============= i was thinking about this matter after my posting yesterday, and specifically in regards to "silver machine", considered the possibility that it was king on ollis's kit. sure doesnt like king on that version of "born to go", though. i too will have to check it out... thanks for the clarification on "make what you can"; if correct, then it took place on their first US tour...surprised that it came after "it's so easy", in that case...still, no surprise that they dumped it. there are, however, gigs w/ollis between greasy truckers and may or june 72...or else we tape traders have several misdated tapes...there's that one gig where (presumably) ollis keeps stopping and/or is slow to kick in.... well, we'll see...mr. king was a measurable reason i became a musician =koff=...i thought i'd know him upon hearing. and as for YOU, pearson...(grinning)^_~ "<>" From joe.e at TELIA.COM Wed Oct 13 15:35:45 1999 From: joe.e at TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:35:45 +0200 Subject: Fwd: OFF:Motorhead 45'S, EP'S, etc Message-ID: At 12:17 1999-10-13 -0700, you wrote: >On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:11:37 +0100, Chris Warburton > wrote: >>There's a 12" missing - have to work from memory 'coz mine's in storage, >>but it's on Big Beat (I think), blue vinyl, and carries a version of John >>Mayall's "I'm Your Witchdoctor" and "Beer Drikers, Hell Raisers". Don't >>remember what the other two tracks were... > >One of them is the great Larry Wallis composition "On Parole", but I can't >remember the fourth song! I can check tonight when I get home ... it was called "instro". the record existed also as a 7" 33 rpm. > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com peace, .joe From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Oct 13 16:34:57 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:34:57 +0100 Subject: HW: dates and places In-Reply-To: <3804D897.92B35A60@theta-orionis.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: Jill wrote > ack! I've just spent hours in the Library tracking these down - and > all I needed to do was read the mailing list. Sigh. Just a question of knowing the right people! :) (Alternatively, you can always look up phone numbers on http://www.bt.com/phonenetuk/) > The Fairfield Hall in Park Lane, Croydon is very close to Croydon East > station and not too far away from Croydon West either. Croydon is > situated in South London well outside the centre [for those who don't > know!] and you will have to trust yourself to Thameslink or something > similar if you go there by train since there's no underground that far > out. However there's a fairly comprehensive bus service by the looks > of things as an alternative. A longish ride on the number 68 bus from my place, or I suppose _in extremis_ I could drive (but as Alexei Sayle said, "I think it's really, really wrong to drink and drive. So, I don't drive very much!")... although I'm holding out for that Brixton date, because I can walk back from that one! --Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Oct 13 16:53:19 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:53:19 +0100 Subject: OFF: Do the Pop (London) Message-ID: Anyone up for Iggy Pop at the Shepherd's Bush Empire, Dec 7-8? --Andy ObCD: Jessica Bailiff - _Hour of the Trace_ mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET Wed Oct 13 17:13:41 1999 From: bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:13:41 -0400 Subject: OFF: Bevis Frond Live album In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Paul wrote: >On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, Brian Halligan wrote: > >=> Is Nick's guitar loud enough in the mix? That's all I'm worried about. ;-) > >Yes; most definitely. No worries there... ;-) Just played it on the big ol' stereo. And now I've got a smile I can't get rid of. >There's a ripper version of "Stoned Train Driver," and the Arthur Lee >cover is monster (never heard the original, though)... Definately killer. "Well Out of It" kicks too. And I was happy to hear the speedy version of "The Wind Blew All Around Me," because I didn't think the original was worth playing live. The only tunes that sound a little out of balance to me are Song No. 2 and New River Head. And that's a very minor complaint, and really more the fault of the sound man, I suppose. Gonna see Frond next Tuesday! Brian >Cheers, > >Paul. > >NP: The Bevis Frond, _Live at the Great American Hall, San Francisco_ > >e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > >"I don't live today; maybe tomorrow..." > --- James Marshall Hendrix From stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM Wed Oct 13 17:21:07 1999 From: stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:21:07 -0400 Subject: HW: dates and places Message-ID: > 14 Croydon - Fairfield Hall - 0181 681 0821 - ?11 & ?13 > > I am told by the band that Nik and Simon House will be joining for all dates > and Harvey is support and guesting with the band So you UK'ers get to see Nik and the boyz back together again, while we survive on memories of Strange Daze '97..... Well you're in for a treat thats all I can say. Niks playings never been better IMHO. Talking of which, I was curious what people on the far side of the pond thought of the Strange Daze '97 CD. (Come on you must have it by now right ?) Both the HW/Nik bits and also all those wonderful other Space Rock bands we have which have never been within a thousand miles of the UK. Cheers, Steve L From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Wed Oct 13 17:21:16 1999 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (si halley) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:21:16 +0100 Subject: HW: dates and places Message-ID: ----------------------------------------------- The Alice Cooper Trivia File: http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/ Subject: Re: HW: dates and places > although I'm holding out for that Brixton date, because I can walk back from > that one! Does anyone know if the Brixton gig is another of the annoying allnighters? Some of us have to work the next day. And on the back of a Motorhead gig too! Si From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Wed Oct 13 17:46:10 1999 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:46:10 +0100 Subject: HW: dates and places Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: si halley To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 13 October 1999 22:25 Subject: Re: HW: dates and places >----------------------------------------------- >The Alice Cooper Trivia File: http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/ >Subject: Re: HW: dates and places > > >> although I'm holding out for that Brixton date, because I can walk back >from >> that one! > >Does anyone know if the Brixton gig is another of the annoying allnighters? >Some of us have to work the next day. And on the back of a Motorhead gig >too! > >Si Being a Sunday I'd very much doubt it would be an all-nighter. It might be an all-dayer like the Calvert tribute and the 20th anniversary gig. Nick From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Thu Oct 14 16:28:59 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 21:28:59 +0100 Subject: HW: dates and places In-Reply-To: <3804D897.92B35A60@theta-orionis.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: At 20:08 13.10.1999 +0100, jill wrote: >The Fairfield Hall in Park Lane, Croydon is very close to Croydon East >station and not too far away from Croydon West either. Croydon is >situated in South London well outside the centre [for those who don't >know!] and you will have to trust yourself to Thameslink or something >similar if you go there by train since there's no underground that far >out. However there's a fairly comprehensive bus service by the looks >of things as an alternative. > Forget about trying to get to W.Croydon, for East Croydon there oare oodles of trains from Victoria (Connex), more from Clapham Junction, and even Kings Cross (Thameslink), AND you can get back in to London even in the middle of the night, though the trains get sparser after about 1:00 a.m. Croydon is also served by night buses to & from Trafalgar Square, but it's quite a long bus ride - getting to Croydon you'll have to change bus in Brixton (IIRC). It would be so much easier if I was still living there! ChrisW "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Oct 13 18:34:37 1999 From: Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK (Neil Ward) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:34:37 +0100 Subject: HW: Tourdates extra snippets Message-ID: Hello Hawkfans, No doubt everyone knows about the forthcoming Hawkwind dates, but I've got a few extra bits of info. First the list with phone numbers and (approx) ticket prices: 17th October, Granite Rock Festival, Saltash POSTPONED 'til ? Don't go there this Sunday 8th November, Oxford Zodiac 01865 726336 ?10 9th November, Norwich Waterfront 01603 632717 ?11 10th November, Wavendon Stables 01908 586678 ?19.50 (ouch!) 12th November, St Autell Coliseum 01726 814261(although Adrian Parr does have 01726 814 004) ?11 13th To be confirmed 14th Croydon Fairfield Halls 0181 6810821 Guests for all dates are Nik Turner and Simon House. Support for all dates will be Harvey Bainbridge. The 'Hawkwind Family Tree' album has some music from each member with different styles, Richards' being a 10 min drum/bass type track (so I'm told) and one of Jerrys' being 'Noctis Labrinthus' (a very big canyon on Mars I believe). This is due out soon, when the artwork is finished, etc. See you soon, Neil. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I can check tonight when I get home ... > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com > From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Oct 13 18:54:36 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:54:36 +0100 Subject: HW Gigs Message-ID: Anyone from Glasgow/Edinburgh into getting a squad together for the gigs? Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Oct 13 22:20:52 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:20:52 EDT Subject: Fwd: OFF:Motorhead 45'S, EP'S, etc Message-ID: and bob m. says In a message dated 10/13/99 8:26:42 PM, RMayo19761 writes: << right you are!!! the beer drinkers e.p.: i'm your wtich doctor/beer drinkers & hellraisers/instro/on parole -1977 chiswick damn!! rmayo >> -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: RMayo19761 at aol.com Subject: Re: OFF:Motorhead 45'S, EP'S, etc Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:26:42 EDT Size: 515 URL: From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 14 03:34:42 1999 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:34:42 +0100 Subject: HW Gigs In-Reply-To: <00ab01bf15cd$ff938480$a736883e@default> Message-ID: I'm afraid I can't travel at the moment. Is there no chance of a gig up here? I'd have thought there are enough fans in Edinburgh/Glasgow/Dundee to fill at least one gig. Dave. At 23:54 13/10/99 , david hall wrote: > > Anyone from Glasgow/Edinburgh into getting a squad together for the gigs? > > Dave From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Thu Oct 14 06:05:17 1999 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 11:05:17 +0100 Subject: HW: and off Message-ID: Hello! Does anyone have any photos of me doing fire eating etc in a format that could be sent via e-mail so that I could print it out? The BBC are doing a program about fire eaters! and they need me to send them some photos urgently. As usual, we have nothing reproducible on hand. Hope someone can help. Thanks, Kris Also a friend asked me to pass this on and it sounds really worthwhile. Dear All Do this! No shopping, cooking or washing up necessary... The Hunger Site at the U.N. is a really neat website. All you do is click a button and somewhere in the world some hungry person gets a meal to eat at no cost to you. The food is paid for by corporate sponsors who's logos you get to look at afterwards. All you do is go to the site and click. You're only allowed one click per day so spread the word to others. Visit the site and pass the word. http://www.thehungersite.com> From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Thu Oct 14 06:27:32 1999 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas Guy) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 11:27:32 +0100 Subject: and off Message-ID: Kris, I'm sure that John Chase has some photos of you fire-eating. I have LOTS of video of you as well. (Brixton 1993, Truro 1993, Kilburn 1992, Tepee tour 1992) I'm sure there's more too. Guy T. -----Original Message----- From: XXX [mailto:boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK] Sent: 14 October 1999 11:05 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: HW: and off Hello! Does anyone have any photos of me doing fire eating etc in a format that could be sent via e-mail so that I could print it out? The BBC are doing a program about fire eaters! and they need me to send them some photos urgently. As usual, we have nothing reproducible on hand. Hope someone can help. Thanks, Kris Also a friend asked me to pass this on and it sounds really worthwhile. Dear All Do this! No shopping, cooking or washing up necessary... The Hunger Site at the U.N. is a really neat website. All you do is click a button and somewhere in the world some hungry person gets a meal to eat at no cost to you. The food is paid for by corporate sponsors who's logos you get to look at afterwards. All you do is go to the site and click. You're only allowed one click per day so spread the word to others. Visit the site and pass the word. http://www.thehungersite.com> From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Thu Oct 14 06:43:18 1999 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 11:43:18 +0100 Subject: HW: and off In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Kris, there is a small photo of someone firebreathing at Blackheath, so you could click on that and save it and print it out. Page found at http://www.rdg.ac.uk/~keswrims/blckhth.htm Mike w On Thu, 14 Oct 1999, XXX wrote: > Hello! > > Does anyone have any photos of me doing fire eating etc in a format that > could be sent via e-mail so that I could print it out? From MLee at ESPARTO.ORG Thu Oct 14 06:37:28 1999 From: MLee at ESPARTO.ORG (Mark Lee) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 11:37:28 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 13 Oct 1999 to 14 Oct 1999 In-Reply-To: <199910140901.FAA21518@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 14 06:52:26 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 11:52:26 +0100 Subject: HW Gigs In-Reply-To: Dave Berry's message of Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:34:42 +0100 Message-ID: > At 23:54 13/10/99 , david hall wrote: > > > > Anyone from Glasgow/Edinburgh into getting a squad together for the gigs? What did you have in mind? FoFP From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Oct 14 07:14:16 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 07:14:16 EDT Subject: HW: and off Message-ID: In a message dated 10/14/99 6:04:39 AM, boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK writes: << The Hunger Site at the U.N. is a really neat website. All you do is click a button and somewhere in the world some hungry person gets a meal to eat at no cost to you. The food is paid for by corporate sponsors who's logos you get to look at afterwards. All you do is go to the site and click. You're only allowed one click per day so spread the word to others. Visit the site and pass the word. http://www.thehungersite.com> >> ================================== domo arigato, kris. i went. i clicked. i spammed my address book. "<>" From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Thu Oct 14 07:45:48 1999 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas Guy) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:45:48 +0100 Subject: and off Message-ID: Subject: RE: and off Kris, I'm sure that John Chase has some photos of you fire-eating. I have LOTS of video of you as well. (Brixton 1993, Truro 1993, Kilburn 1992, Tepee tour 1992) I'm sure there's more too. Guy T. From dhira.lalita at VIRGIN.NET Thu Oct 14 09:01:50 1999 From: dhira.lalita at VIRGIN.NET (Dhira Lalita) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:01:50 +0100 Subject: BADAM99 refunds? Message-ID: If you go now, you should be fine. It will cost you about 10 to 20 quid, but add that on to the cost you are claiming. It is actually simple to do, you can even do it by phone. Call your local county court and ask them to send the forms. Sometimes sending a copy of the court form to the person you are collecting from, saying you are sending this to the court in five days unless you get paid, can do the trick Yours DL ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 11:58 AM Subject: BADAM99 refunds? The BADAM web site claims that news of refunds will be posted on September 30th. This didn't happen. Does anyone know what's happening? Is there a time limit on a claim to the Small Claims Court in England? FoFP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 14 10:23:42 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:23:42 +0100 Subject: BADAM99 refunds? In-Reply-To: Dhira Lalita's message of Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:01:50 +0100 Message-ID: Dhira Lalita writes: [No response from BADAM99 folks re refund oon tickets and a suggestion of a Small Claims Court action...] > If you go now, you should be fine. It will cost you about 10 to 20 > quid, but add that on to the cost you are claiming. It is actually > simple to do, you can even do it by phone. Call your local county court > and ask them to send the forms. > > Sometimes sending a copy of the court form to the person you are = > collecting from, saying you are sending this to the court in five days = > unless you get paid, can do the trick Thanks, but presumably this wouldn't apply for a local Court in Scotland. Does anyone have the address of a County Court in Derbyshire? Also, how many others from this list are affected? A group action would cut costs. I also suspect that Dhira is correct in that the auditors will pay us more attention if they see a copy of Court forms. FoFP From totalnut at TELEKABEL.NL Thu Oct 14 10:29:50 1999 From: totalnut at TELEKABEL.NL (totalnut) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 16:29:50 +0200 Subject: BADAM99 refunds? Message-ID: DL Good point there have to keep it in mind Thanks Dukic K ----- Original Message ----- From: Dhira Lalita To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 3:01 PM Subject: Re: BADAM99 refunds? If you go now, you should be fine. It will cost you about 10 to 20 quid, but add that on to the cost you are claiming. It is actually simple to do, you can even do it by phone. Call your local county court and ask them to send the forms. Sometimes sending a copy of the court form to the person you are collecting from, saying you are sending this to the court in five days unless you get paid, can do the trick Yours DL ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 11:58 AM Subject: BADAM99 refunds? The BADAM web site claims that news of refunds will be posted on September 30th. This didn't happen. Does anyone know what's happening? Is there a time limit on a claim to the Small Claims Court in England? FoFP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Oct 14 11:17:47 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 16:17:47 +0100 Subject: NIK: Fantastic All-Stars Message-ID: Two All-Stars dates this week: Oct 15, King's Head, Dursley, Gloucestershire Oct 21, Paddles (One World Week), Pembroke, Wales Then Nik is with HW on Nov 12 (St Austell) and 14 (Croydon), and maybe more. --Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From greatsunjester at YAHOO.COM Thu Oct 14 11:55:35 1999 From: greatsunjester at YAHOO.COM (Darnell Buffington) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:55:35 -0700 Subject: Intoducing myself Message-ID: >>You said<<< Reason i joined is because a friend of mine forwarded a message from BOC-L list with a website included from Goran which got me interested. Subject at that time was trepanation/trickeration a method i don't aprove of at all, but that's beside point for now. >>><<<< Welcome to the list, but it has nothing to do with BOC. The whole list is a paradoxical psychological experiment. Just a friendly word of advice not to get your hopes up that there's much actual BOC info. I hope you're into beavis frond and stuff. I've been petitioning the list moderator to change the name to something more neutral. Again, welcome. GSJ ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From dhira.lalita at VIRGIN.NET Thu Oct 14 11:58:48 1999 From: dhira.lalita at VIRGIN.NET (Dhira Lalita) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 16:58:48 +0100 Subject: BADAM99 refunds? Message-ID: Sorry, don't know Scots law. You should do this through your local County Court. They should be in yellow pages or 192 could help, depends on your town DL ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 3:23 PM Subject: Re: BADAM99 refunds? Dhira Lalita writes: [No response from BADAM99 folks re refund oon tickets and a suggestion of a Small Claims Court action...] > If you go now, you should be fine. It will cost you about 10 to 20 > quid, but add that on to the cost you are claiming. It is actually > simple to do, you can even do it by phone. Call your local county court > and ask them to send the forms. > > Sometimes sending a copy of the court form to the person you are = > collecting from, saying you are sending this to the court in five days = > unless you get paid, can do the trick Thanks, but presumably this wouldn't apply for a local Court in Scotland. Does anyone have the address of a County Court in Derbyshire? Also, how many others from this list are affected? A group action would cut costs. I also suspect that Dhira is correct in that the auditors will pay us more attention if they see a copy of Court forms. FoFP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Oct 14 12:11:11 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:11:11 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: Intoducing myself In-Reply-To: <19991014155535.17870.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Oct 1999, Darnell Buffington wrote: => Welcome to the list, but it has nothing to do with => BOC. The whole list is a paradoxical psychological => experiment. Just a friendly word of advice not to get => your hopes up that there's much actual BOC info. I => hope you're into beavis frond and stuff. I've been => petitioning the list moderator to change the name to => something more neutral. Again, welcome. If you are upset about the lack of BOC content, I offer my stock advice: quit whining and start a thread yourself! :-) As for Bevis Frond and other "OFF" topic material, you may not be aware of the filters set up by the list owner to help screen this out. Judging by your post, you're interested in seeing only BOC-related material. Accordingly, you should set your subscription to receive postings flagged as "BOC" and none of the other topics. (You'll note the Bevis Frond posts that appeared of late are all flagged with "OFF," so under a "BOC"-only subscription, you'd not see any of them and suffer none of this apparent botheration. BTW, you should've flagged your message as "OFF," too, but that's a minor quibble.) The name of the list is a historical accident for which you need to blame Steve Swann. When the list "abruptly died" that time, and folks were looking for a new site to host it, there was brief talk about changing the name (to reflect *something* of Hawkwind in the name), but nothing came of it. Everyone knew it as "BOC-L" and that's how everyone wanted it to stay. (Actually, I blame John for the lack of BOC info. His FAQ is so good, whenever anyone posts anything, the answer is "it's in the FAQ." :-) [Just kidding, John!!]) Cheers, Paul. NP: The Bevis Frond, _Live at the Great American Music Hall, San Francisco_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I don't live today; maybe tomorrow..." --- James Marshall Hendrix From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri Oct 15 12:09:18 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 17:09:18 +0100 Subject: OFF:Motorhead 45'S, EP'S, etc In-Reply-To: <0.c7b70e6.253596e7@aol.com> Message-ID: At 04:03 13.10.1999 EDT, Mark wrote: >? Did they release the Valentines Day Massacre on 12" then ? I remember >buying it at release and it was on 7 or 10 - I got the 10, who's right. Mine was definitely a 10", and I don't recall ever seeing a 12" (what would be the point) - unless it got a later re-issue in that format? ChrisW "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri Oct 15 12:10:50 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 17:10:50 +0100 Subject: OFF: Do the Pop (London) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 21:53 13.10.1999 +0100, you wrote: >Anyone up for Iggy Pop at the Shepherd's Bush Empire, Dec 7-8? > >--Andy > If Universal records offers me a job (in sunny Romford!) I'll probably bu for Little Jimmy Jewel!!! ChrisW "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Oct 14 12:08:11 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:08:11 -0400 Subject: OFF: Magma - last US chance? Message-ID: Hi Folks... If I may indulge... Magma is coming back to the US to do another show at the Knitting Factory in NYC on Nov. 21st. (see www.knittingfactory.com for details). This will almost certainly be the last chance to see these guys! I saw them at Progfest this past May and thought their performance was the most amazing thing I'd ever seen. However, for those so-often ignored people in the south, there's a chance you'll get a Magma show as well. So, if you're interested in helping this become a reality, then consider helping this guy out. See below. Note that he also mentions Chicago and SF, as if there are shows planned there also. I haven't seen any official word on this, and I'm wondering if he's referring to the May tour, which was NYC, Chicago, SF, and LA only. Keith H. (FAA) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Well now that this is out, i'll also announce a bit to which I alluded last week. Magma is tentatively scheduled to play in Columbia, SC on Friday, November 19, however there is a _lot_ of work that needs to be done in order to pull this off. The guy arranging this concert has a few ties to the band and they _want_ to play here!! We have the flight to get them here and back to NYC taken care of, we just need to come up with the cash for the performance. If _anyone_ in the surrounding area- Charleston, Atlanta, Charlotte, Raleigh/Winston-Salem/Chapel Hill- would like to see this come off we're going to have to hurry. The venue they will play is a nice one indeed. It's a converted warehouse with great acoustics and within walking distance of the Adam's Mark Hotel. There's also great resturants and other nightlife in the same area, and it's located 15-20 minutes from the airport. It's the chance of a lifetime for those of us around here. If you would like to get involved in this effort, get in touch with me at my address below. Remember, this is the LAST time Magma will be in the U.S., and there are only 3 other cities they will play- NYC, San Francisco, and Chicago. After this, Magma will be no more. We Southerners have a chance to have them in our backyard, but we've got to hurry!! dgasque at aol.com From flossbac at NLCI.COM Thu Oct 14 13:29:22 1999 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:29:22 -0500 Subject: HW: IYA reconsidered Message-ID: Recently I find that the album I keep listening to more than any other is...."In Your Area!" This is despite all the slagging the record has received at various hands (including my own). At some point it really struck me how great this record is.....one of the most psychedelic discs I own.....One of my favorite things on the live portion of the album is all that great psychedelic feedback that Jerry Richards coaxes out of his guitar. The transitions between Love In Space and Aerospaceage Inferno are really powerful, I think. Those studio instrumentals on the second half of the album are also pretty darn....well, psychedelic (to overuse a word). This is a record that has really really grown on me a lot. At first listen, I thought it was the worst thing HW had done, but now I feel embarrassed to have made that statement, because I love it! I feel that Dave and the band must be doubly commended for making yet another record that has challenged the ears and the sensibilities of the listeners, keeping their sound fresh! IYA rocks! John Majka flossbac at nlci.com http://www.nlci.com/users/flossbac/hawkwind.html From mwood at MY-DEJA.COM Thu Oct 14 13:52:08 1999 From: mwood at MY-DEJA.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:52:08 -0700 Subject: OFF: Magma - last US chance? Message-ID: What? Are they really breaking up? I thought that they were working on a new album? Didn't they just release a CD single of new material? MWood NP: Ian Anderson: _Half Tulloch_ (live show from '95 solo tour) On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:08:11 Keith Henderson wrote: >Magma is coming back to the US to do another show at the Knitting Factory in >NYC on Nov. 21st. (see www.knittingfactory.com for details). This will >almost certainly be the last chance to see these guys! >Remember, this is the LAST time Magma will be in the U.S., and >there are only 3 other cities they will play- NYC, San Francisco, and Chicago. >After this, Magma will be no more. --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 14 13:54:34 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:54:34 +0100 Subject: BADAM99 refunds? In-Reply-To: Dhira Lalita's message of Thu, 14 Oct 1999 16:58:48 +0100 Message-ID: Dhira Lalita writes: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BF1665.6248A820 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Sorry, don't know Scots law. You should do this through your local = > County Court. They should be in yellow pages or 192 could help, depends = > on your town Eh? Since BADAM99 was going to be in England, wouldn't I have to sue in that jurisdiction? Or does sending my ticket to an address in Scotland put it in our jurisdiction? Jeese, it's sooo complicated. No wonder lawyers make shitloads of money. FoFP From bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET Thu Oct 14 14:04:46 1999 From: bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:04:46 -0400 Subject: Intoducing myself In-Reply-To: <19991014155535.17870.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: >>>You said<<< >Reason i joined is because a friend of mine forwarded >a message from BOC-L list with a website included from >Goran which got me interested. Subject at that time >was trepanation/trickeration a method i don't aprove >of at all, but that's beside point for now. >>>><<<< >Welcome to the list, but it has nothing to do with >BOC. The whole list is a paradoxical psychological >experiment. Just a friendly word of advice not to get >your hopes up that there's much actual BOC info. I >hope you're into beavis frond and stuff. I've been >petitioning the list moderator to change the name to >something more neutral. Again, welcome. >GSJ And as soon as BOC does something new and interesting, somewhere, with someone, in a musical vein, this will once again be BOC-L. I've been waiting for something BOC related to discuss for a long time. Any suggestions are welcome. Brian From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Oct 14 15:04:30 1999 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 20:04:30 +0100 Subject: HW: -ish was Re: BADAM99 refunds? Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > > Dhira Lalita writes: > > [No response from BADAM99 folks re refund oon tickets and a suggestion > of a Small Claims Court action...] > > > If you go now, you should be fine. It will cost you about 10 to 20 > > quid, but add that on to the cost you are claiming. It is actually > > simple to do, you can even do it by phone. Call your local county court > > and ask them to send the forms. > > > > Sometimes sending a copy of the court form to the person you are = > > collecting from, saying you are sending this to the court in five days = > > unless you get paid, can do the trick > > Thanks, but presumably this wouldn't apply for a local Court in > Scotland. Does anyone have the address of a County Court in Derbyshire? > > Also, how many others from this list are affected? A group action would > cut costs. I also suspect that Dhira is correct in that the auditors > will pay us more attention if they see a copy of Court forms. > I doubt you'll get much back from a Court Action and anyhow surely the people to take action against are the authorities who forced the cancellation not the ones who had it forced on them. You might even be in danger of finding that your claim became involved in a counter claim brought by two other parties (or something of the sort) and it could take months to unravel. Better to wait and see if you get your free ticket for next year which was promised in writing. My guess and it is ONLY a guess is that the organisers will have to declare themselves bankrupt which (I think!) means that creditors will get paid on a very specific preference scale and ticket holders will probably come rather low on the list - well after any bank or building society loans, venue providers, construction and engineering firms, mobile loo providers (and I've just been discovering how much these cost!!) etc. But at the very least I hope you kept a photocopy of your ticket! jill ObTimeOfTheYear: Hawkwind announce a tour. Railway workers announce a nationwide strike. Sigh. -- ====================================================================== Jill Strobridge or J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk ====================================================================== From mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM Thu Oct 14 15:41:04 1999 From: mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM (Matthew Braun) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:41:04 CDT Subject: tBS: Piece of Work In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 14 Oct 1999 05:01:51 CDT." <199910140901.FAA21512@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Torgo Sedler writes: >Anyone else get their copy of "Piece of Work"? Yep. It arrived Tuesday. It succeeded in prying the MoFi remaster of "BOC and Tyranny & Mutation" out of my player. (A fantastic remaster, BTW. For the first time you can tell that the recordings really do have something above 5kHz.) >First impressions of it are damn good. It sounds much like Box of Hammers, >with some wonky twists. It's not like it's got a cover of "Marsupial Boy" on it, or anything, but that's not a problem... `Piece' is good, and getting better w/successive spins. ("I deserve a candy treat for getting through your ridiculous song twice." You guys kill me.) `Work' was amazing from the first listen. Some old ground revisited, and a bunch of new territory claimed. Lots of good stuff on these two... (So where's the `Of' disc? :-) ) m@ ObCD: If you gotta ask, you haven't been paying attention... From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Thu Oct 14 16:49:00 1999 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 21:49:00 +0100 Subject: HW/OFF:Bedouin gig on Saturday Message-ID: Anyone else out there going to the Bedouin gig on Saturday at Wolverton? Nick From totalnut at TELEKABEL.NL Thu Oct 14 17:32:28 1999 From: totalnut at TELEKABEL.NL (totalnut) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 23:32:28 +0200 Subject: Intoducing myself Message-ID: Dear GSJ Thanks for welcoming me. Not to worry im interested in many kinds of music. Your right though a more neutral name for the list wouldn't be misplaced :-) Dukic K ----- Original Message ----- From: Darnell Buffington To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 5:55 PM Subject: Re: Intoducing myself > >>You said<<< > Reason i joined is because a friend of mine forwarded > a message from BOC-L list with a website included from > Goran which got me interested. Subject at that time > was trepanation/trickeration a method i don't aprove > of at all, but that's beside point for now. > >>><<<< > Welcome to the list, but it has nothing to do with > BOC. The whole list is a paradoxical psychological > experiment. Just a friendly word of advice not to get > your hopes up that there's much actual BOC info. I > hope you're into beavis frond and stuff. I've been > petitioning the list moderator to change the name to > something more neutral. Again, welcome. > GSJ > > > ===== > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Oct 14 17:48:18 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:48:18 +0100 Subject: HW/NIK: Nik's cyberspace interview Message-ID: Now up on hawkwind.com. --Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Thu Oct 14 17:56:57 1999 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:56:57 +0100 Subject: HW: dates and places Message-ID: > 10 Wavendon(Nr.Milton Keynes) - The Stables Theatre - 01908 586678 - ?19:50 I don't kno if the above number works or not, but the number in the book, and which I've used, for the Stables box office is: 01908 583928 Nick From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 14 17:55:29 1999 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:55:29 +0100 Subject: HW: Who's Gonna Win The War (Was Re: OFF: Black Sabbath???) In-Reply-To: <37FD8351.E496AC94@softhome.net> Message-ID: At 06:38 08/10/99 , Sen. Volstead wrote: >Horse Whisperer wrote: >> but I'd be very interested to know how "commercialized" >> applies here, whether to the music, the packaging or the words.\ > >I acknowledge Hawkwind's overwhelming superiority! "Who's Gonna Win the War" >carries the deep, deep message that WAR IS BAD so much more eloquently than >"War Pigs". "Who's Gonna Win the War" is much more than a message song. It evokes an image which combines both the soldier's experience (much of wartime is spent waiting) and the tension in Europe in the early 80's, when cruise missiles and short-ranged ballistic missiles were being deployed with nuclear warheads. That deployment engendered wide-ranging protests, and sharply divided the political landscape. Everybody agreed that "WAR IS BAD", but some people thought that these missiles were protecting the peace, while some people thought they were bringing us to the edge of nuclear war. Musically, "Who's Gonna Win the War" is much better than "War Pigs". Even when I liked more Sabbath than I do now, I still regarded "War Pigs" as lumbering metal at it's worst. In any case, what has this to do with "commercialisation"? Sabbath did what they did because it made money. They started off as an R&B band, then added some of their own songs to their set. When the audiences liked them, they did more of them. They built a reputation, and a record company signed them up. >And I just love what they're doing now with adapting trendy ALIEN >gimmickry into their cover art and set design! So on the one hand we have Black Sabbath, who read some Dennis Wheatley, thought it cool, and wrote some songs about it. And on the other hand we have Hawkwind, who watched the X-Files, thought it cool, and wrote some songs about it. And you want us to believe that Sabbath were showing deep integrity, while Hawkwind were selling out? Disregarding that Alien 4 was their best studio album for years -- probably since the Hawklords, in my opinion. I really don't think that songs like "Phetamine Street", "Hippy", and "Wheels", are calculated to storm the top ten. They're not exactly Steps or B*Witched, are they? Dave. From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Thu Oct 14 18:02:05 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:02:05 -0500 Subject: HW: Borders "Greasy Truckers" Message-ID: >STOP !! ! > > Don't buy this CD listed on Borders as Greasy Truckers.... >It is a 2 song "Man" CD, with nothing else on it. I guess from the >Greasy Truckers Album. > > I'm returning it today for a refund and requesting they remove >it from the Hawkwind search matches. > > Also, the web server that Hawkman Music is on has been >down the last couple of daze. We had a real nice Brainstorm >last week that knocked power out to a lot of Altus and damaged >the silicon chips (inside my head) at Internet Services Plus (intplsrv). >Oklahoma City what a pity it's gone.... (NOT) > > >Hawkman (web site will be up tomorrow.) >www.intplsrv.net/hawkman > > > From Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Oct 14 13:54:28 1999 From: Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK (Neil Ward) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:54:28 +0100 Subject: OT(ish): Alan Davey... Message-ID: Yes, his own chords. He says you won't find them in any book, which is why you asked the question I guess... Neil. ----- Original Message ----- > Does anyone know what chords Alan actually plays? > > Kevin Perry > Sonic Energy Authority > http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Thu Oct 14 16:26:39 1999 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 16:26:39 -0400 Subject: IYA reconsidered Message-ID: I'm in full agreement!!! IYA is a disc that keeps finding its way into my cd player. I felt the Same way about Distant Horizons. DH took a few listens, but after that, I was hooked!! . In my opinion, the first 5-6 tracks are killer tracks. I for one like the direction HW is heading..... LA Dan -----Original Message----- From: flossbac [SMTP:flossbac at NLCI.COM] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 10:29 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: HW: IYA reconsidered Recently I find that the album I keep listening to more than any other is...."In Your Area!" This is despite all the slagging the record has received at various hands (including my own). At some point it really struck me how great this record is.....one of the most psychedelic discs I own.....One of my favorite things on the live portion of the album is all that great psychedelic feedback that Jerry Richards coaxes out of his guitar. The transitions between Love In Space and Aerospaceage Inferno are really powerful, I think. Those studio instrumentals on the second half of the album are also pretty darn....well, psychedelic (to overuse a word). This is a record that has really really grown on me a lot. At first listen, I thought it was the worst thing HW had done, but now I feel embarrassed to have made that statement, because I love it! I feel that Dave and the band must be doubly commended for making yet another record that has challenged the ears and the sensibilities of the listeners, keeping their sound fresh! IYA rocks! John Majka flossbac at nlci.com http://www.nlci.com/users/flossbac/hawkwind.html From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri Oct 15 18:44:49 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 23:44:49 +0100 Subject: Intoducing myself In-Reply-To: <4.1.19991014140119.0094f750@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: It's just another of those post-modern aporias! (Philosophical) ChrisW At 14:04 14.10.1999 -0400, you wrote: >>>>You said<<< >>Reason i joined is because a friend of mine forwarded >>a message from BOC-L list with a website included from >>Goran which got me interested. Subject at that time >>was trepanation/trickeration a method i don't aprove >>of at all, but that's beside point for now. >>>>><<<< >>Welcome to the list, but it has nothing to do with >>BOC. The whole list is a paradoxical psychological >>experiment. Just a friendly word of advice not to get >>your hopes up that there's much actual BOC info. I >>hope you're into beavis frond and stuff. I've been >>petitioning the list moderator to change the name to >>something more neutral. Again, welcome. >>GSJ > >And as soon as BOC does something new and interesting, somewhere, with >someone, in a musical vein, this will once again be BOC-L. I've been >waiting for something BOC related to discuss for a long time. Any >suggestions are welcome. > >Brian "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Fri Oct 15 03:52:18 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Zeitgeist) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:52:18 +0100 Subject: HW: From / in Scotland Message-ID: Well you can definitely count me in, although I have to agree, surely one gig in Scotland would be possible. Stuart Blessings and peace from all at; Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground - e-zine and freezine http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com alternate url: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van Vliet From C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK Fri Oct 15 05:29:39 1999 From: C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:29:39 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: OT(ish): Alan Davey... In-Reply-To: Neil Ward's message of "Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:54:28 +0100" Message-ID: Neil Ward writes: > Yes, his own chords. He says you won't find them in any book, which is why > you asked the question I guess... Well, I wouldn't want to be a pedant or anything... You can't invent your own chords. Chords are just combinations of notes and if you play using a typical Western instrument then any chord you play will have been played before. For more than you ever wanted to know about chord theory buy a good book like Ted Greenes Chord Chemistry. -- Chris Bates (c.d.bates at shu.ac.uk) School of Computing and Management Sciences - Sheffield Hallam University for HTML, DHTML, JavaScript, Perl, CGI Programming advice see: http://www.shu.ac.uk/schools/cms/teaching/crb/book/ From dhira.lalita at VIRGIN.NET Fri Oct 15 06:16:14 1999 From: dhira.lalita at VIRGIN.NET (Dhira Lalita) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:16:14 +0100 Subject: BADAM99 refunds? Message-ID: Yep, lawyers make shitloads of money. A cheap one cost about ?125 per hour. You may get some sound advice from the Citizens Advice Beauru, if you got one. Your local library can tell you the Scot equivalent of a County Court, once you have that number they will give you advice. There must be other Scots suing English companies, there must be a standard procedure. DL ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 6:54 PM Subject: Re: BADAM99 refunds? Dhira Lalita writes: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BF1665.6248A820 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Sorry, don't know Scots law. You should do this through your local = > County Court. They should be in yellow pages or 192 could help, depends = > on your town Eh? Since BADAM99 was going to be in England, wouldn't I have to sue in that jurisdiction? Or does sending my ticket to an address in Scotland put it in our jurisdiction? Jeese, it's sooo complicated. No wonder lawyers make shitloads of money. FoFP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 15 08:20:11 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:20:11 +0100 Subject: The Face of Stonehenge Message-ID: See the BBC web site for details of a face discovered carved into one of the stones. Is it really Dave Brock? FoFP From totalnut at TELEKABEL.NL Fri Oct 15 08:58:26 1999 From: totalnut at TELEKABEL.NL (totalnut) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 14:58:26 +0200 Subject: Intoducing myself Message-ID: Thanks Brain. I have had not much time to write to BOC at al. Although im reading most of your posts. I always say when time is ready the new thing will come by itself :-) Dukic K ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Halligan To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 8:04 PM Subject: Re: Intoducing myself > >>>You said<<< > >Reason i joined is because a friend of mine forwarded > >a message from BOC-L list with a website included from > >Goran which got me interested. Subject at that time > >was trepanation/trickeration a method i don't aprove > >of at all, but that's beside point for now. > >>>><<<< > >Welcome to the list, but it has nothing to do with > >BOC. The whole list is a paradoxical psychological > >experiment. Just a friendly word of advice not to get > >your hopes up that there's much actual BOC info. I > >hope you're into beavis frond and stuff. I've been > >petitioning the list moderator to change the name to > >something more neutral. Again, welcome. > >GSJ > > And as soon as BOC does something new and interesting, somewhere, with > someone, in a musical vein, this will once again be BOC-L. I've been > waiting for something BOC related to discuss for a long time. Any > suggestions are welcome. > > Brian > From chip at PCC.COM Fri Oct 15 09:01:19 1999 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:01:19 -0400 Subject: Lemmy Fans / Die You Zombie Bastards Message-ID: A friend of mine is working on a script for a movie - aptly entitled, "Die You Zombie Bastards!" - in conjunction with the Troma people (if you know who/what that is, you know what we're talking about). Anyway, for the filming of the most recent Toxic Avenger movie, my friend, Haig, got to play St. Peter. In his role, he got to wear his Motorhead 10th Anniversary Tshirt! Oh, the point: Haig is such a huge Motorhead fan that he's written a piece into the movie specifically for Lemmy. Here's his update...and a URL that's worth visiting. > DIE YOU ZOMBIE BASTARDS! > update.update.update.update.update.update.update.update.update. > > My dear friend Ann Lynam in Minneapolis went to see Motorhead at First > Avenue (legendary Mnpls club, featured in Purple Rain) and was persistent > and committed enough to get a copy of the DYZB! script DIRECTLY into the > hands of Lemmy. Later she found out that he was truly READING (of course > he can) it before Motorhead's set AND intended to finish it. She even had > a moment with The Man himself (that's Lemmy) which, by her re-telling, > sounded genuine, heartfelt and (goshdarnit) brought a TEAR to this old > Motorheadbanger's eye. > > This kind of dedication to The Cause will be amply rewarded in due time... > all the glories of eternal life await those whose efforts fuel the DYZB! > juggernaut. Onward Zombieboyz! Onward Zombiegrrlz! > > BLAAAAH-HAH-HAH-HAh-HAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! > > Zombastically yours, > > > HAIG DEMARJIAN > > > DIE YOU ZOMBIE BASTARDS! > Pre-Production HQ for 1999 > c/o Glow Muse > 210 Main Street > Gloucester, MA 01930 > > phone/fax: 978-281-8936 > > check out ZOMBIE BASTARDS! online at... > http://www.gis.net/~haigd > > -- Chip Hart * chip @ pcc.com Physicians's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 1 Main Street * Work:800-722-7708 Winooski, VT 05404 * Fax: 802-846-8178 From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Fri Oct 15 08:57:43 1999 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:57:43 +0100 Subject: BADAM99 refunds? Message-ID: It may be a bit soon to start legal proceedings. A quick peek at the Badam website shows that what they stated was that updates about refunds would be posted some time from 30th Sept - 22nd Oct, so they have a while yet. Keeping us better informed would be nice though. Nick From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Oct 15 09:23:19 1999 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 06:23:19 PDT Subject: tBS: Piece of Work Message-ID: Once upon a time, Matthew Braun said...... ----`Piece' is good, and getting better w/successive spins.? ("I deserve a candy treat for getting through your ridiculous song twice."? You guys kill me.) `Work' was amazing from the first listen.---- Heh heh. That's funny because I thought the same thing on the first listen or two, and then I went the other way, and then I went back. "Piece" took awhile to grow on me while "work" had to be pried from the player. Next thing I know it's the other way around. I can't decide which disk is better, as they are both RAPIDLY climbing up my personal charts. Keep in mind this is not my actual review, just some random thoughts. I do have a full review in the works, coming soon. Overall PoW is a multilayered and amazing album. Early favorites for me are "Last Angry Woman", which would make a fantastic concert opener, and I hope the Surgeons do this one live no matter where it is in the setlist, and "on the road again", which sounds like something that might have fit snugly on the "Eponymous" album. All in all this album reminds me alot of Eponymous. One thing that differs is PoW's lack of anything really BLISTERING. Yeah, there are some heavy heavy tunes here, but there doesn't seem to be that one track (needle gun, name your monster) that thunders above the rest. Not that it takes away from the album, it's still Brain Surgeons through and through, and damn good. "Swamp thing" puts me in mind of tBS doing a cover of a BLACKFOOT tune. I like the use of some different instruments here as well, like keyboards and a fiddle. "Lady of the Harbor" sounds much different than the Pull the Plug version. tBS do a cover of Skynyrd's "Simple Man" as well, and it takes a totally Brain Surgeons feel to it, kinda eerie in parts. Well, that's all for now...... Torgo (who gets funny looks when he mumbles the Albert parts of "Biloxi" under his breath, hour after hour after hour......) :^) *********************************************** DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos *********************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From totalnut at TELEKABEL.NL Fri Oct 15 09:44:56 1999 From: totalnut at TELEKABEL.NL (totalnut) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:44:56 +0200 Subject: Intoducing myself Message-ID: ChrisW Can you please explain me what you meant with your comment? Im no native . I understand a lot, but with this one i probably need a copy of a large dictonairy? Thanks Dukic K ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Warburton To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Saturday, October 16, 1999 12:44 AM Subject: Re: Intoducing myself > It's just another of those post-modern aporias! > > (Philosophical) ChrisW > > At 14:04 14.10.1999 -0400, you wrote: > >>>>You said<<< > >>Reason i joined is because a friend of mine forwarded > >>a message from BOC-L list with a website included from > >>Goran which got me interested. Subject at that time > >>was trepanation/trickeration a method i don't aprove > >>of at all, but that's beside point for now. > >>>>><<<< > >>Welcome to the list, but it has nothing to do with > >>BOC. The whole list is a paradoxical psychological > >>experiment. Just a friendly word of advice not to get > >>your hopes up that there's much actual BOC info. I > >>hope you're into beavis frond and stuff. I've been > >>petitioning the list moderator to change the name to > >>something more neutral. Again, welcome. > >>GSJ > > > >And as soon as BOC does something new and interesting, somewhere, with > >someone, in a musical vein, this will once again be BOC-L. I've been > >waiting for something BOC related to discuss for a long time. Any > >suggestions are welcome. > > > >Brian > > > "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - > Bierce > From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Oct 15 09:52:08 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 09:52:08 EDT Subject: Intoducing myself Message-ID: In a message dated 10/15/99 9:44:26 AM, totalnut at TELEKABEL.NL writes: via chris w: << It's just another of those post-modern aporias! > >> ================ um, i think he's saying that what we do here is, in the immortal words of the B-52's, 'dance this mess around'. "<>" From totalnut at TELEKABEL.NL Fri Oct 15 10:00:16 1999 From: totalnut at TELEKABEL.NL (totalnut) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 16:00:16 +0200 Subject: Intoducing myself Message-ID: "<>" Would have explained a lot more if ChrisW would have used that phrase atleast i would have known what he was on about :-) Dukic K ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 3:52 PM Subject: Re: Intoducing myself > In a message dated 10/15/99 9:44:26 AM, totalnut at TELEKABEL.NL writes: > via chris w: > > << It's just another of those post-modern aporias! > > > >> > ================ > um, i think he's saying that what we do here is, in the immortal words of the > B-52's, > 'dance this mess around'. > > "<>" > From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Oct 15 10:05:34 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:05:34 EDT Subject: OT(ish): Alan Davey... Message-ID: In a message dated 10/14/99 8:38:33 PM, Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK writes: << Does anyone know what chords Alan actually plays? >> ======== gee, as the bass player, he's perhaps playing intervals, but not chords, any ol' way. or did i miss something? "<>" From MLee at ESPARTO.ORG Fri Oct 15 10:22:39 1999 From: MLee at ESPARTO.ORG (Mark Lee) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:22:39 +0100 Subject: HW : some bits. In-Reply-To: <199909300900.FAA14677@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: I stand by what I said about the service from CDZone(UK) but they sent me a mail ref the autumn sale and thought people might like to see some extracts : Space Bandits CLACD282 3.35 Audio CD Hawkwind Live 79 CLACD243 3.35 Audio CD Xenon Codex CLACD281 3.35 Audio CD Decide Your Future E.P. GRF120CD 5.59 Audio CD Palace Springs (Remastered) ESMCD739 5.82 Audio CD 1999 Party Live HAWKS6 11.73 Audio CD Live 1970-1972 1.34 Audio CD The Entire And Infinite Universe Of..REDTK98 4.68 Audio CD King Crimson Discipline EGCD49 5.35 Audio CD King Crimson Vrooom DGM0004 5.16 Audio CD King Crimson 21St Century Schizoid Man VSCDG1597 2.59 CD Single King Crimson Circus PCCY01356 22.96 Audio CD Ozric Tentacles Strangeitude + Bonus SMMCD546 4.56 Audio CD Ozric Tentacles Afterwish 1984-1991 SMDCD219 5.16 Audio CD Ozric Tentacles Pungent Effulgent SMMCD545 4.56 Audio CD Spinal Tap Break Like The Wind - The Videos MCA10675VD 5.77 NTSC Video Tangerine Dream Mars Polaris TDICD016 8.03 Audio CD Tangerine Dream Tangerine Dream VI854382 3.15 Audio CD Tangerine Dream Live Miles (Live 1986/7) ESMCD368 5.02 Audio CD Tangerine Dream Trans Siberia TDICD12 6.96 Audio CD Tangerine Dream Goblin's Club EVO011CD 7.72 CD Tangerine Dream Times Square Dream Mixes2 TDICD6 6.96 Audio CD Tangerine Dream Force Majeure TAND10 5.35 Audio CD I know it's biased toward stuff I like but thought the Hawks stuff worth posting up anyway. Cheers, Mark From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Fri Oct 15 11:13:27 1999 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:13:27 -0500 Subject: The Face of Stonehenge In-Reply-To: <199910151220.NAA21800@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> from "M Holmes" at Oct 15, 99 01:20:11 pm Message-ID: How about a link! ;-) > > See the BBC web site for details of a face discovered carved into one of > the stones. > > Is it really Dave Brock? > > FoFP > From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Fri Oct 15 11:18:13 1999 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 16:18:13 +0100 Subject: The Face of Stonehenge Message-ID: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_474000/474977.stm Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen Kusic To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 4:13 PM Subject: Re: The Face of Stonehenge > How about a link! ;-) > > > > > See the BBC web site for details of a face discovered carved into one of > > the stones. > > > > Is it really Dave Brock? > > > > FoFP > > From flossbac at NLCI.COM Fri Oct 15 11:47:35 1999 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:47:35 -0500 Subject: OT(ish): Alan Davey... Message-ID: > << Does anyone know what chords Alan actually plays? >> > > ======== > gee, as the bass player, he's perhaps playing intervals, but not chords, any > ol' way. > or did i miss something? I think you missed something. You can play chords perfectly well on bass--I've done it many times. In general, he plays single-note stuff, but there are a few places where some chords are used, although they're nothing strange. Keep in mind that especially on bass, because the distance between frets is so large, it's not even possible to have much "stretch" between notes so most chords consist of: 1) a drone string with other fretted notes against it (as in "Down Through the Night" and "Damnation Alley") 2) generally the index finger barring three strings (leaving intervals of 4ths) with perhaps some finger action two frets up on any of the strings. Alan rarely uses dissonant chords (except "Time We Left" which has a root/flat 5th type of thing) John Majka flossbac at nlci.com http://www.nlci.com/users/flossbac/hawkwind.html (now with new pictures of Nik Turner!) From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Fri Oct 15 12:00:25 1999 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 17:00:25 +0100 Subject: OT(ish): Alan Davey... Message-ID: Dunno - I was rewatching one of my HW videos at the weekend (after seeing Bedouin on Friday) and it looks like chords (ie. multiple notes at once) a lot of the time, with the occasional single note. They looked like a Root-Third (open G on guitar) shape a lot of the time, but starting on the A string - he seems to not play the bottom E much at all - there's definitely a lot of strumming going on! When I tried to sequence it (with a sampled Ricky sound), it sounded horrible! Timing was definitely part of the problem - Alan's phrasing is superb - but it also sounded muddy! Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ ----- Original Message ----- From: flossbac To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 4:47 PM Subject: Re: OT(ish): Alan Davey... > > << Does anyone know what chords Alan actually plays? >> > > > > ======== > > gee, as the bass player, he's perhaps playing intervals, but not chords, > any > > ol' way. > > or did i miss something? > > I think you missed something. You can play chords perfectly well on > bass--I've done it many times. In general, he plays single-note stuff, but > there are a few places where some chords are used, although they're nothing > strange. Keep in mind that especially on bass, because the distance between > frets is so large, it's not even possible to have much "stretch" between > notes so most chords consist of: > 1) a drone string with other fretted notes against it (as in "Down Through > the Night" and "Damnation Alley") > 2) generally the index finger barring three strings (leaving intervals of > 4ths) with perhaps some finger action two frets up on any of the strings. > Alan rarely uses dissonant chords (except "Time We Left" which has a > root/flat 5th type of thing) > John Majka > flossbac at nlci.com > http://www.nlci.com/users/flossbac/hawkwind.html > (now with new pictures of Nik Turner!) From novadrive at HOME.COM Fri Oct 15 13:38:17 1999 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:38:17 -0700 Subject: The Face of Stonehenge In-Reply-To: <199910151513.KAA06049@earth.execpc.com> Message-ID: http://news2.thls.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid%5F474000/474977.stm Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu < http://members.home.net/novadrive/> > > > How about a link! ;-) > > > > > See the BBC web site for details of a face discovered carved into one of > > the stones. > > > > Is it really Dave Brock? > > > > FoFP > > > From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Oct 15 14:35:37 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 14:35:37 EDT Subject: OT(ish): Alan Davey... Message-ID: In a message dated 10/15/99 11:50:02 AM, flossbac at NLCI.COM writes: << Keep in mind that especially on bass, because the distance between frets is so large, it's not even possible to have much "stretch" between notes so most chords consist of: 1) a drone string with other fretted notes against it (as in "Down Through the Night" and "Damnation Alley") 2) generally the index finger barring three strings (leaving intervals of 4ths) with perhaps some finger action two frets up on any of the strings. Alan rarely uses dissonant chords (except "Time We Left" which has a root/flat 5th type of thing) John Majka flossbac at nlci.com http://www.nlci.com/users/flossbac/hawkwind.html (now with new pictures of Nik Turner!) ======= yeah, shoulda thought a little more about that post... the word 'chords' just meant something else to me; i guess i think of it as '2-string strumming', in terms of the bass (grin/eyeroll/sigh). even had my own bassist do some as such in one section of one song (in 86). showing once again that you dont have to know what you're talking about to be in charge. thanks "<>" ------------------- >> From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Oct 15 15:33:47 1999 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:33:47 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: OT(ish): Alan Davey... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 15, 1999 at 10:29:39AM +0100, Chris Bates wrote: > if you play using a typical Western instrument then any > chord you play will have been played before. Though not necessarily on purpose :-) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / I'm going to change it, but it's going to take some time. - Linus Torvalds, on Windows's market leadership From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Oct 15 16:19:16 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 21:19:16 +0100 Subject: OFF: DJing In-Reply-To: <0.ad7b3ae3.25357df2@aol.com> Message-ID: Picking up Chuck's latest set-list (Julian Cope! Choice opening sir!) reminds me that I was going to post the following... I got onto the decks at Cambridge's Rock Society night at a small dingy club near the station for an hour on Tuesday, and thought I'd pester BOC-L with the set-list: 1. Man or Astroman? - `The Sound Waves Reversing' (Made From Technetium) 2. Kyuss - `Fifty Million Year Trip (Downside Up)' (Blues For The Red Sun) 3. Monster Magnet - `Space Lord' (Powertrip) 4. Clutch - `Soapmakers' (Elephant Riders) 5. Motorhead - `Deaf Forever' (Orgasmatron) 6. Solarised - `Gravity Well' (Neanderthal Speedway) 7. The Brain Surgeons - `Needle Gun' (Malpractise) 8. Blue Oyster Cult - `Cities On Flame (With Rock And Roll) (Blue Oyster Cult) 9. Hawkwind - `Silver Machine' (In Search of Space [remaster bonus]) 10. Ozric Tentacles - `Kick Muck' (Pungent Effulgent) 11. ST37 - `March of the Chrome Police' (Spaceage) 12. Pressurehed - `Man In Static' (Sudden Vertigo) 13. Hawkwind - `Motorhead' (Mighty Hawkwind Classics, 1980-1985) 14. Orange Goblin - `Nuclear Guru' (Time Travelling Blues) 15. Black Sabbath - `Children of the Grave' (Master of Reality) The BOC and ST37 were both a bit too muddy for the sound system, and I got hissed for the Orange Goblin, which was admittedly too slow. As you may detect, an at least partially hostile audience: after the seventh request for Korn or Marilyn Manson I started replying, "Sorry, I'm playing rock," but the fifth or so with ears to hear seemed to enjoy themselves, and the look on the face of the one bloke who recognised the Ozrics track immediately made up for it all... Available for parties and barmitzvahs... Yours, Jon From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Fri Oct 15 16:55:38 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 16:55:38 -0400 Subject: tBS: Piece of Work In-Reply-To: <19991015132320.8741.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: At 06:23 AM 10/15/99 PDT, you wrote: >Heh heh. That's funny because I thought the same thing on the first listen [Excised all PoW related comments out of envy.] I think I'll stalk the post office till it arrives and not read any BOCL on PoW till it gets here. In the mean time, if you are a King crimson fan, get the remastered CD out now. It stomps-- almost as heavy as Albert's drumming at the gig in Rochester all dem many moons ago. Now be quiet and listen to your discs, lucky barstwards you. Jonesin' for tunes of ungodly surgeons, Jason From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Oct 15 16:30:12 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 16:30:12 EDT Subject: Hunger Thing Message-ID: Also a friend asked me to pass this on and it sounds really worthwhile. Dear All Do this! No shopping, cooking or washing up necessary... The Hunger Site at the U.N. is a really neat website. All you do is click a button and somewhere in the world some hungry person gets a meal to eat at no cost to you. The food is paid for by corporate sponsors who's logos you get to look at afterwards. All you do is go to the site and click. You're only allowed one click per day so spread the word to others. Visit the site and pass the word. http://www.thehungersite.com> From bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET Fri Oct 15 16:50:23 1999 From: bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET (Brian Halligan) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 16:50:23 -0400 Subject: OFF: Definitions (was Intoducing myself) In-Reply-To: <19991015163656.67752.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: Chris W wrote: >>It's just another of those post-modern aporias! >ChrisW >Can you please explain me what you meant with your comment? >>Im no native . I understand a lot, but with this one i probably need a copy >of a large dictonairy? >Thanks >Dukic K Try http://www.dictionary.com/ That's what I used to look up "aporias" And yes, I agree it's another post-modern aporia. :-) Brian From Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Oct 15 11:18:40 1999 From: Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK (Neil Ward) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 16:18:40 +0100 Subject: BADAM99 refunds? Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Lee To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 1:57 PM Subject: Re: BADAM99 refunds? > It may be a bit soon to start legal proceedings. A quick peek at the Badam > website shows that what they stated was that updates about refunds would be > posted some time from 30th Sept - 22nd Oct, so they have a while yet. > Keeping us better informed would be nice though. > > Nick From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Oct 16 07:47:59 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 07:47:59 EDT Subject: (far)OFF: Dr. Science and the original 'brainstorm'...heh Message-ID: In a message dated 10/16/99 7:02:22 AM, Diacollett writes: << Dear Doctor Science, What does a brain child look like and where does it come from? -- David Smith from Fort Collins, CO A small, prepubescent thing with a large head, delicate hands (usually found holding a violin), and thick glasses. A brain child was the offspring of any of the group of advisors called in by Franklin D. Roosevelt, known as the brain trust. When one of these advisors spawned, it was known as a brain storm. Brain children were actually the first baby boomers and were instrumental in deciding Harry Truman's foreign policy. Many of them now own and operate think tanks, which are like private clubs for brain children who cannot make it on the outside. ------------- >> -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Diacollett at aol.com Subject: More Dr. Science Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 07:02:22 EDT Size: 1968 URL: From dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET Sat Oct 16 15:46:59 1999 From: dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET (dhuggins) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 15:46:59 -0400 Subject: OFF:Motorhead In-Reply-To: <0.7939a4fd.2539bfef@aol.com> Message-ID: Listees, Motorhead is coming to town (USA) in a couple of weeks. I always wanted to see them, in fact had tickets to see em in 81, but the show was cancelled because Philthy Animal collapsed on stage the night before and they cancelled a bunch of dates. (Ace of Spades tour?) Anyway, what is a good website to catch up on recent Motorhead goings on? Dave From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sat Oct 16 16:16:49 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 21:16:49 +0100 Subject: OFF: Motorhead In-Reply-To: <4.1.19991016154225.00c7def0@pop.dn.net> Message-ID: The official site is www.imotorhead.com - seems to be kept reasonably up to date. --Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of dhuggins > Sent: 16 October 1999 20:47 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: OFF:Motorhead > > > Listees, > > Motorhead is coming to town (USA) in a couple of weeks. > I always wanted > to see them, in fact had tickets to see em in 81, but the show was > cancelled because Philthy Animal collapsed on stage the night before and > they cancelled a bunch of dates. (Ace of Spades tour?) > > Anyway, what is a good website to catch up on recent > Motorhead goings on? > > Dave > From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Oct 17 00:59:39 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 00:59:39 EDT Subject: Fwd: OFF:Motorhead Message-ID: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: RMayo19761 at aol.com Subject: Re: OFF:Motorhead Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 00:52:39 EDT Size: 575 URL: From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Sun Oct 17 06:10:31 1999 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 11:10:31 +0100 Subject: HW: Tour date misinformation Message-ID: Contrary to popular belief, Nik an Simon will not be playing at every gig. Harvey will be at them all, Nik & Simon will probably be at St Austell and Croyden as these have relatively large stages. There will not be guests on small stage gigs. It has never been official announced that Nik and Simon would be playing at all gigs...where did this information come from???? HW From Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Oct 17 10:04:53 1999 From: Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK (Neil Ward) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 15:04:53 +0100 Subject: BADAM99 refunds? Message-ID: Regarding BADAM refunds, if you have tickets have you sent either them or a photocopy of them to the festival office (12, Hartington Road, Buxton, Derbyshire, SK17 6JW) with an SAE to let them know who is due for a refund, and how much? If not you must do this now. Apparently only about 40 people have done this out of several hundred tickets still out there. The web site will probably not be updated because the person who ran this is now no longer with the organisers. Neil. PS Cheers Nick for pointing out my previous empty reply last night. From novadrive at HOME.COM Sun Oct 17 10:24:55 1999 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 07:24:55 -0700 Subject: Tour date misinformation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No doubt a product of the nefarious Rumor Generator, which sits in the center of the Earth next to that other thingy....... Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu < http://members.home.net/novadrive/> > > > Contrary to popular belief, Nik an Simon will not be playing at every gig. > Harvey will be at them all, Nik & Simon will probably be at St Austell and > Croyden as these have relatively large stages. There will not be guests on > small stage gigs. It has never been official announced that Nik and Simon > would be playing at all gigs...where did this information come from???? > HW > From sprawl at STARPOWER.NET Sun Oct 17 17:27:27 1999 From: sprawl at STARPOWER.NET (Sprawl) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 17:27:27 -0400 Subject: OFF: This is a test. (Apologies!) Message-ID: Sorry folks. New home, new ISP. Just checking to see if this one is gonna give me crap about mail from listservs. Hope you all have been well.... RJ From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Oct 17 19:33:59 1999 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 16:33:59 PDT Subject: tBS: Piece of Work review Message-ID: Here is a review of the new BRAIN SURGEONS album. Naturally, it contains some serious spoilers. Please read at your own risk. ----------------------------------------- "More of a Good Thing." A Review of "The Brain Surgeons- Piece of Work" A quick glance at the cover of the 1999 BRAIN SURGEONS release "Piece of Work" shows a laughing man with 2 right hands. I find this appropriate in many ways because when compared to mainstream music of the 90's, the sound this band can generate is weird and unique enough to seem as if it came from someone with two right hands. Make that two very talented right hands that is. Two right hands of sheer genius. "Piece of Work" is the fifth album from this distinctive band from New York, and with 22 songs covering two CD's, it's their most ambitious undertaking yet. With the first CD labeled simply "Piece" and the second, naturally, called "Work", Albert Bouchard and company once again pull together a sound like no other band can. "Piece of Work" is produced by drummer/vocalist Albert Bouchard and vocalist Deborah Frost, with additional production and mix by Paul Special, the same evenly meshed set of gears that brought us the 1996 Brain Surgeons release "Box of Hammers" (this reviewer's favorite Brain Surgeons album........ so far). The album kicks off with "Biloxi", an acappella tune that immediately brings to mind the band's cover of "Love Potion #9" off their first album, "Eponymous", from 1994. In fact, the quirky and offbeat "Eponymous" album is what "Piece of Work" reminds me of the most. Over the years the band has touched upon many different musical styles, proving that they can cover the full music spectrum and twist any particular sound to fit the Brain Surgeons sound, and on "Piece of Work" they make this clearer yet. Upon its ending, "Biloxi" gives way to "Rain, Rain", a Frost vocaled song with a laid back feel, and some simply excellent bass playing by bassist David Hirschberg. As with most albums by this band, there really seems to be no duplication and rehashing of sound. Where some bands unfortunately sound like they take track one and rearrange a few chords to make track two and so on, to the point where it all starts to sound the same, the Brain Surgeons always give us the impression that once they manipulate a particular sound and make it work brilliantly for them, that they are hungry to attempt something new. "Pink Roses" with its eerie tones and whisper-like hiss of Deb Frost vocals, sounds like something that might sound at home in the dream sequence of a David Lynch movie, and "Madame X Factor" has Albert Bouchard coming across like a bizarre cross between a sophisticated socialite and a James Bond villain. "On the Road (again)", a song co- penned by Richard Meltzer, features a killer sax and some funky keyboards, both integrated flawlessly with a driving guitar riff. Groundbreaking stuff from this band, as they prove once again that there is no convenient category for them to be filed under. So how's the guitar work on "Piece of Work"? Well, as with most Brain Surgeons albums, it is top shelf. Guitarists Peter Bohovesky and Billy Hilfiger show us that while there are some unusual sounds to be found on the album, that the guitar is the core of the Brain Surgeons sound. The ballad "More Than Truth" features a haunting and memorable guitar lead, and the carefree and amusing tune "Hot dog Man" features a bluesy guitar set to a fun and bouncy beat. "Swamp Thing" has the band experimenting with a style that puts me in mind of the southern band "Blackfoot", and "Last Angry Woman" (which could easily be the best track on the album, in my humble opinion of course) has Deb Frost showing why she loans out her voice on weekends to peel wallpaper. Frost sounds tough and snarly, which adds to the feel of this cool and crunchy song. Fans of Lynyrd Skynyrd will recognize the opening chords of their classic "Simple Man", but aside from the brilliant and moving guitar work, all similarities end there. While musically the cover is fairly straight forward, it's the unique presence of Bouchard/Frost vocals that turn this song 180 degrees, making it sound like nothing that could ever have come out of a Van Zant brother. But that is just scratching the surface, making this a damn difficult review to write. Nothing short of sitting someone in a chair and just PLAYING each and every track for them would suffice as a review for this magnum opus of an album. Do you like drum solos? "Prince Albert in the Cans" has one. Do you like screechy guitars that push your stereo tweeters to the edge? "Rock and Roll is Dead" is just what you've ordered. Acoustic strumming? "Billy's song". A driving beat, and a jamming solo? "Victory Boulevard". No matter what order you place, the Brain Surgeons deliver it piping hot to your ravenous eardrums. The album closes with a much different version of "Lady of the Harbor", a song that originally appeared in acoustic form on the band's limited (VERY limited) cassette called "Pull the plug", which is a nice closing to the album. The song eventually goes into a replay of the opening track "Biloxi", yet sounding as if it's being played back on an old scratched and tinny vinyl recording with very little sound depth, and deeply worn grooves. The album goes full circle, and in the end the Surgeons have impressed the hell right out of me, once again. As the decade known as the 90s draws to a rapid close, one can only wonder what kind of music will typify the decade that is rushing up to meet us. New sounds and new styles (the two seem to go hand in hand in these MTV dominated times) will almost certainly rise and fall. Some will have staying power, some will be flashes in the pan, and others will simply make us shake our heads and make us ask the eternal question, "Why?". But the Brain Surgeons will continue painting masterpieces, with 2 right hands. Robert "Torgo" Sedler Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos *********************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Sun Oct 17 23:02:46 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 23:02:46 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: P.o.W. review Message-ID: >Nothing short of sitting someone in a chair and just PLAYING each and every track for >them would suffice as a review for this magnum opus of an album. Since I don't have it right now, that would go over VERRRRY well :) Q: What be the packaging like for this puppy? Be there lyrics in the liner booklet? Will Vincent Price ever be rid of the stigma for being on the 13 Ghosts of Scooby Doo? Enquiring madcaps want to know. Nothing he's got he really needs (cause he really needs PoW), Jason From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Mon Oct 18 05:54:51 1999 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 10:54:51 +0100 Subject: HW: Gig guests Message-ID: STOP PRESS! Simon House will be playing at Oxford, Milton Keynes, Norwich and Croydon. Nik will be at St Austell and Croydon. Harvey will be at all of the dates. Yours Dave Brock From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Mon Oct 18 09:07:42 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:07:42 -0400 Subject: tBS: Piece of Work review Message-ID: I've been away from the list for almost a week, so I've missed a lot of the discussion on PoW, but I thought I'd chip in a few thoughts. So far, I've only had time to sit down and listen to this album once. My initial thoughts are that I'm going to need some more time with this one before it takes hold. The musicianship and songwriting are top-notch on this one. But, I'm left scratching my head a bit on this one because just when I thought I knew what the Brain Surgeons sounded like, they throw me the curveball that is this CD. I disagree with Torgo's comment that it sounds a lot like "Box of Hammers" - at first listen, to my ears, it doesn't sound like it at all - or nearly anything else tBS have released to date. I find myself having to throw out all preconceived notions of this group and start from scratch with a fresh set of ears. I do agree with Torgo that it doesn't have one of those really BLISERING songs on it - a few good rockers for sure, but maybe I just keep hoping for another version of "Trepanation" (which is still my favorite tBS album, followed closely by "Box of Hammers"). So, I'm off to catch up on a mountain of work that piled up while I was out of the office, and trying to rediscover this band called The Brain Surgeons -- I hear that they are quite good... John PS to Torgo: Great review - hope it's on your website so that I can link it up to my tBS website (which now has the PoW artwork on it -- http://members.aol.com/tbspostop) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Oct 18 08:29:24 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 08:29:24 -0400 Subject: HW: Tour date misinformation Message-ID: HW said... >Contrary to popular belief, Nik an Simon will not be playing at every gig. >Harvey will be at them all, Nik & Simon will probably be at St Austell and >Croyden as these have relatively large stages. There will not be guests on >small stage gigs. It has never been official announced that Nik and Simon >would be playing at all gigs...where did this information come from???? I imagine it came from the original announcement (below) from yourselves that wasn't entirely clear on the matter. (?) If it says "These dates will feature special guests" and then later someone hears that special guests are to be Harvey, Nik, and Simon, well obviously some folks try to put two and two together. Now if you'd said "Some of these dates..." perhaps this wouldn't have happened. :) Anyway, this is bound to happen if people are anxious to know what's going on and feel like there isn't enough communication happening from the 'in' crowd. Whether that's a fair assessment or not, I can't (won't) say. Keith H. (FAA) Hello Folks, Hawkwind are playing some dates in November, which will include Norwich Waterfront - 9th Nov., Waventon Stables - 10th Nov., St Austell Coliseum - 12th Nov., Croyden Fairfields Halls - 14th Nov. These dates will feature "special guests". The Brixton Acadamy dates are on hold pending "negotiations" Call them and inquire! Yours Dave Brock From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Oct 18 08:09:30 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 13:09:30 +0100 Subject: HW: Gig guests In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , XXX writes >STOP PRESS! >Simon House will be playing at Oxford, Milton Keynes, Norwich and Croydon. >Nik will be at St Austell and Croydon. >Harvey will be at all of the dates. >Yours >Dave Brock any word on Brixton? cheers -- Jon From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Oct 18 07:22:08 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:22:08 +0000 Subject: Lemmy Fans / Die You Zombie Bastards Message-ID: > A friend of mine is working on a script for a movie - aptly > entitled, "Die You Zombie Bastards!" - in conjunction with the > Troma people (if you know who/what that is, you know what we're > talking about). Haig is such a huge Motorhead fan that he's > written a piece into the movie specifically for Lemmy. Here's > his update...and a URL that's worth visiting. For those who don't know, Lemmy has worked with Troma before. They actually had him as a Shakespearean narrator on the twisted "Tromeo and Juliet". Now THAT'S inspired! While we're on the subject, and since a Motorhead T-shirt in a Toxic Avenger movie was mentioned in the original post, I was wondering where anyone has seen Motorhead shirts in the past. Everytime I spot one on TV or in a movie, it sends a little chill up my spine. . . like there are more of us out there than we realize. The only two I can think of off-hand are: Phoebe's brother wearing (I think) a Rock n Roll T on "Friends", and Matt Dillon donning the standard black with white boar's head in the flick "To Die For". -- Nick From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Oct 18 12:10:00 1999 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:10:00 -0500 Subject: HW: secret agent lyrics? Message-ID: Hey folks, Does anyone have the lyrics to Secret Agent? (or know a website where I can find 'em?) Thanks, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #305A Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Oct 18 12:17:39 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 12:17:39 EDT Subject: HW: secret agent lyrics? Message-ID: In a message dated 10/18/99 12:10:26 PM, akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU writes: << Does anyone have the lyrics to Secret Agent? >> "there's a man who lives a life of danger..." no, wait wrong secret agent. heh "<>" From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE Mon Oct 18 13:12:14 1999 From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:12:14 +0200 Subject: HW: secret agent lyrics? Message-ID: Hello, Arin Komins wrote: > > Hey folks, > > Does anyone have the lyrics to Secret Agent? > > (or know a website where I can find 'em?) > Here they are: The Secret Agent ================ I was trained in Arizona, in a secret desert camp where we did night manoeuvres without a lighted lamp. I've got an old worn Trilby hat that doesn't keep me dry when the rain falls on my mac plays havoc with the dye I wear my dark shades every day of the year when I see my reflection it strikes a note of fear. I've got a dozen gadgets concealed in my clothes I've got some suicide pills that taste like herb of cloves I've not got a single friend just my armpit gun and when I go to bed at night it certainly helps me son I'm always getting in tight spots I manage to escape by either jumping off a train or swimming in a lake soon I'm in a right state I'm a secret agent there's nowhere you can hide I'm a secret agent taking you for a ride what's your name what's your game details never stop work alone on your own collar up, hat pulled down on the beach, with a peach sometimes good, sometimes bad drinking coffee, feeling sad. There's one thing that I want to be involved with That's Truth and Justice and I sincerely mean that. And if everybody was involved in Truth and Justice There would be no need for secret agents. That's what happens when you get in tight spots. He's in a tight spot I've yet to crack-up Ain't got no backup what's your name what's your game A bit strung out Ain't got no backup I'm beginning to crack-up Think I'll go bankrupt It's all confusion disappearing without a trace I'm a secret agent He's in a tight spot Attention, Attention REPEAT VERSE 1 and everybody rushes away to hide certainly take you for a ride baby! baby! (listen) REPEAT VERSE 2 That's because I'm in a tight spot He's in a tight spot I like tight spots He's in a tight spot What's your name, what's your game Details never stop. Working alone on your own There's no backup beginning to crack-up no backup beginning to crack-up It's a rainy night, neon light rainy night, neon light rainy night, neon light Beginning to crack-up Ain't got no backup -- "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" Hassan I Sabbah www.d-rider.de From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Oct 18 14:14:36 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 14:14:36 -0400 Subject: HW: Anthology Of Cosmic Music Message-ID: Hi Folks... Just wondered if anyone had seen this item, and if it had gotten into the official discography of comps. It is material from Space Ritual I guess, along with some Van Der Graaf, and then most (?) of Amon D??l (UK)'s Die L?sung with Bob Calvert. (Of course, VDGG's drummer Guy Evans plays on that one also, which makes the three-way link coherent I guess!). I don't know what label it's on (it said something like PROPE in the catalog I found this in...dunno what that is), but I surmise it's from the UK anyway. Keith H. (FAA) Anthology Of Cosmic Music: TRACKS 1. Space Is Deep 2. Orgone Accumulator 3. Upside Down 4. Sonic Attack 5. Time We Left This World Today 6. Ten Seconds Of Forever 7. Brainstorm 8. Saigon Roulette 9. Gentlemen Prefer Blues 10. Main Slide 11. Tropic Of Conversation 12. Spooks 13. Epilogue 14. Liquidator 15. Rift Valley 16. Tarzan 17. Coil Night 18. Time Vaults 19. It All Went Up 20. Faint & Forsaken 21. Big Wheel 22. Urban Indian 23. Adrenaline Rush 24. Visions Of Fire 25. Drawn To The Flame Pt.1 26. They Call It Home 27. Die Losung 28. Drawn To The Flame Pt.2 From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Oct 18 19:28:12 1999 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:28:12 PDT Subject: BRAIN: P.o.W. review Message-ID: Jason Said........... ----Q: What be the packaging like for this puppy? Be there lyrics in the liner booklet?------------- ?? The packaging is nice. 2 CDs in the single width Cd case. There is a slight track order mix up with one song on disk one (bad hair day), and the booklet is filled with lots of cool photos of the band on stage and off. There is even a pic of Albert and Billy farting around in a swimming pool. There are no lyrics in the liner, but there is the address to write to to get all the lyrics (kinda like the old BOC days). What's cool is, Albert saved me the stamp and put the loose lyric sheet in the envelope! One song is missing (on the road again) but the rest is quite complete. There are also a few other surprises, but I thought you didn't want to know anymore? I guess I'll let you see the rest for yourself. Hope you score this puppy soon! Torgo has left the building.......and gone back to lurking. *********************************************** DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos *********************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Oct 19 01:27:09 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 01:27:09 EDT Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list Message-ID: IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE REOMOVED FROM THIS MAILING LIST, PLEASE INFORM ME. "Space Does Not Care" 10/16/99, 88.3 fm KUCR, Saturdays 5-8pm PST, Web-radio through WinAmp. 1.Can--Pinch (Ege Bamyasi) 2.Hawxtar--Brainstorm (Hawxtar--it doesn't skip anymore!) 3.Spaceship Eyes--Chameleon Sighting (Kamarupa) 4.Gong--Flying Teapot (Flying Teapot) 5.Beyondomatic--Family Chi (Turn Century Turn comp) 6.Future Sound of London--My Kingdom pt. 1 (My Kingdom) 7.Hawkwind--It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous (IItBotFtbD) 8.Orb/Guy Called Gerald--Oxbow Lakes (Everglades Mix ) 9.Orb--We're Pastie To Be Grill You (Pomme Fritz) 10.Melting Euphoria--In Aquarian Dream (Space Box comp) 11.Ozric Tentacles--Strangeitude (Strangeitude) 12.Helios Creed--Resurrection Blue (The Last Laugh) 13.Hawkwind--The Nazca/Hippy (In Your Area) 14.Sundial--Magic Flight (Other Way Out) 15.Nik Turner--Chances Lost (Prophets of Time) 16.Simon House--Northlands (Yasassim) 17.Quarkspace--Starbridge Freaks (Hidden Moon) 18.Tangerine Dream--Journey Through a Burning Brain (Electronic Meditation) 19.Hawkwind--Seeing It As You Really Are (Masters of the Universe, etc.) 20.The Brain--Vortex in My Cortex (Space Box comp) Comments or questions welcome, Chuck From totalnut at TELEKABEL.NL Tue Oct 19 08:44:31 1999 From: totalnut at TELEKABEL.NL (totalnut) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 14:44:31 +0200 Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list Message-ID: Hello chuck for now i would like to be removed from the mailing list, cause unfortunately i can't handle my mail anymore :-(, but i do intent to come back when things quiet down here for a bit :-) To everyone Sorry ill will miss you for the time being Don't do anything i wouldn't do either and if something good comes up i know that Larry will pass it on to me Love Dukic K ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Rosenberg To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 7:27 AM Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list > IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE REOMOVED FROM THIS MAILING LIST, PLEASE INFORM ME. > > "Space Does Not Care" 10/16/99, 88.3 fm KUCR, Saturdays 5-8pm PST, Web-radio > through WinAmp. > > 1.Can--Pinch (Ege Bamyasi) > 2.Hawxtar--Brainstorm (Hawxtar--it doesn't skip anymore!) > 3.Spaceship Eyes--Chameleon Sighting (Kamarupa) > 4.Gong--Flying Teapot (Flying Teapot) > 5.Beyondomatic--Family Chi (Turn Century Turn comp) > 6.Future Sound of London--My Kingdom pt. 1 (My Kingdom) > > 7.Hawkwind--It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous (IItBotFtbD) > 8.Orb/Guy Called Gerald--Oxbow Lakes (Everglades Mix ) > 9.Orb--We're Pastie To Be Grill You (Pomme Fritz) > 10.Melting Euphoria--In Aquarian Dream (Space Box comp) > > 11.Ozric Tentacles--Strangeitude (Strangeitude) > 12.Helios Creed--Resurrection Blue (The Last Laugh) > 13.Hawkwind--The Nazca/Hippy (In Your Area) > 14.Sundial--Magic Flight (Other Way Out) > 15.Nik Turner--Chances Lost (Prophets of Time) > > 16.Simon House--Northlands (Yasassim) > 17.Quarkspace--Starbridge Freaks (Hidden Moon) > 18.Tangerine Dream--Journey Through a Burning Brain (Electronic Meditation) > 19.Hawkwind--Seeing It As You Really Are (Masters of the Universe, etc.) > 20.The Brain--Vortex in My Cortex (Space Box comp) > > Comments or questions welcome, Chuck > From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Oct 19 11:49:44 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:49:44 -0400 Subject: HW: Anthology Of Cosmic Music Message-ID: Hi Folks... For those in the Philly/NJ/NYC area, and are looking for something cool to do this weekend.... Sloterdijk: to perform benefit concert inside the planetarium of The New Jersey State Museum. The Electronic music/space rock project Sloterdijk, will conclude it's 1999 U.S. appearances, with a special benefit concert inside the planetarium of The New Jersey State Museum. All proceeds from the event will go to the atronomical studies department of the museum. The show will include planetary and spacial projections, as well as state of the art lazers. lineup: Mike Burro: Synthesizers, guitars, programming, loops, vox & sequencing Jay Adcock: Cymballic percussion & tribal drum Date: Sat October 23rd Time: 4:00 p.m. sharp Admission: $5.00 at the museum (advance tickets avaiable through the museum office. Venue: New Jersey State Museum Planetarium 205 west state street. Trenton, N.J. * maximum capacity 150 persons* Contact numbers and addresses: For direct contact with Sloterdijk: e-mail to: Sloterdijk at webtv.net For tickets and information: Trenton State Museum: (609) 292-6464 Direct Contact with the Planetarium: Planetarium Menu: (609) 292-6303 Planetarium director: Richard Peery: New Jersey State Museum 205 West State street, Trenton, New Jersey (609) 292-6303 From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Oct 19 11:59:02 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:59:02 -0400 Subject: HW: Anthology/Sloterdijk/Bevis Message-ID: Hi Folks... >For those in the Philly/NJ/NYC area, and are looking for something cool to do >this weekend.... > >Sloterdijk: to perform benefit concert inside the planetarium of The New >Jersey State Museum. Doh!! Forgot to change the subject line from last message I sent to the list! Keith H. (FAA) P.S. To add some new content to this message, I just wanna mention how cool Bevis Frond is in concert. I saw the show in Cleveland last Saturday and was pleasantly surprised at how good they were (first time seeing them for me). I haven't been the biggest Frond Fan based on the four or five discs I have, as the sound is way too garage-y for my tastes. But with Ade Shaw on bass, and Ric Gauthier (of Outskirts of Infinity w/ Bari Watts) on drums, they really filled out the sound nicely and kicked it in gear. And Nick's voice is a lot better than how he comes across on the albums. "Temple Falls" and "Maybe" just rocked the house. So how's that new Live in SF album? And where are they available? (I forgot even to check the 'merchandising counter' for it, as I was trying to refrain from unnecessary spending.) But I imagine that that item is the thing to get for the full band experience. AS seems to have aged gracefully, hasn't he? He seemed in good spirits and plays a cool old Gibson bass (the one that resembles the SG...I remember my college roommate had one of those, it seemed to weigh about 200 lbs.), and sang backup pretty well also. From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Wed Oct 20 04:33:23 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans (aka Gekke Henkie)) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:33:23 +0200 Subject: HW: brixton gig Message-ID: Hi, I just saw that brixton updated their events page, but still there is no notice of HW playing there. Could I just be right to say there will be no more 30 year anniversery gig? Or am I just to pessimistic. --BArt From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Wed Oct 20 04:46:24 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:46:24 +0900 Subject: HW: brixton gig Message-ID: Looking at the Nik interview on Hawkwind.com, there's something being set up for March. Allegedly Dave "Bart Brugmans (aka Gekke Henkie)" wrote: > Hi, > > I just saw that brixton updated their events page, but still there is > no notice of HW playing there. Could I just be right to say there will > be no more 30 year anniversery gig? Or am I just to pessimistic. > > --BArt From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Wed Oct 20 05:15:39 1999 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:15:39 +0200 Subject: HW: brixton gig In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >I just saw that brixton updated their events page, but still there is >no notice of HW playing there. Could I just be right to say there will >be no more 30 year anniversery gig? Or am I just to pessimistic. when you read the nik turner interview on http://www.hawkwind.com he mentiones there will be a 30th anniversary gig in march 2000. so don't hold your breath !!!! andre From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Wed Oct 20 05:53:16 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans (aka Gekke Henkie)) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:53:16 +0200 Subject: HW: brixton gig In-Reply-To: <380D815F.D5F19E13@virgin.net> Message-ID: Op 20 Oct 99, om 17:46, Dave Greenhalgh schreef: > Looking at the Nik interview on Hawkwind.com, there's something being set > up for March. Allegedly Still didn't have had time to read it. i'll do it right away. --BArt From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Wed Oct 20 10:05:22 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans (aka Gekke Henkie)) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 16:05:22 +0200 Subject: HW: MP3 Message-ID: Hi, does anyone know a sitye were to download some Hawkwind MP3's as I do not have a cd player in my computer at work, but do have a soundcard. I know they are not all that legal, but it wont stop me from buying music! --BArt From C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK Wed Oct 20 10:40:28 1999 From: C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 15:40:28 +0100 Subject: HW: MP3 In-Reply-To: "Bart Brugmans's message of "Wed, 20 Oct 1999 16:05:22 +0200" Message-ID: "Bart Brugmans (aka Gekke Henkie)" writes: > does anyone know a sitye were to download some Hawkwind > MP3's as I do not have a cd player in my computer at work, but do > have a soundcard. No but if you go to http://www.mp3.com you can listen to some new tracks from the Lloyd Langton group. Very good they are too. In fact Huwie has some MP3s on his home page too. It's at http://www.huwlloyd-langton.co.uk/ -- Chris Bates (c.d.bates at shu.ac.uk) School of Computing and Management Sciences - Sheffield Hallam University for HTML, DHTML, JavaScript, Perl, CGI Programming advice see: http://www.shu.ac.uk/schools/cms/teaching/crb/book/ From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Oct 20 11:11:51 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:11:51 -0400 Subject: HW: MP3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Bart Brugmans (aka Gekke Henkie) wrote: => does anyone know a sitye were to download some Hawkwind => MP3's as I do not have a cd player in my computer at work, but do => have a soundcard. => I know they are not all that legal, but it wont stop me from buying => music! Why not pop over to ftp://gromit.dlib.vt.edu/pub/boc-l/audio/ and have a gander in the koslol directory? Cheers, Paul. NP: The Bevis Frond, _Vavona Burr_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I don't live today; maybe tomorrow..." --- James Marshall Hendrix From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Oct 20 14:33:34 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:33:34 -0400 Subject: HW: Collectors Series queries Message-ID: Hello... So, has anyone figured out when these releases are going to trickle out for public consumption? And whether these are going to be distributed through standard channels, or again by the passport-style method? IIRC, the Glastonbury '90 and Live '79 double were to be the first ones out. Am I right about that? You know, today I'm listening to a great tape (thanks Chuck) of the 1989 US tour (Milwaukee in this case), and am re-realizing how fantastic a show this was!! Well, I didn't see the Milwaukee show, but I was at Toronto and Cleveland. My goodness, what a phenomenal show...I remember hearing (after the postponement of the original dates) that Huwy had split just before coming over and being really disappointed, but as much as I would've loved to see HLL play with Hawkwind, I don't think this show would've been the same. Since they probably had to drop a bunch of 80s material, things like Magnu, Down through the Night, and Damnation Alley appeared. The only thing that would've made this show better was if Simon was there to fill in the empty void in tracks like Wind of Change. Anyway, I just wanted to publicly state my sincere wish that the collectors series would someday grow to include a full-length version of the '89 US set. I know, some of Palace Springs is derived from that same material (anybody know what show that was? San Fran?), but I'd like to hear it all together without any major posttreatment. Kinda like Hawkwind '97...good quality sound but not overly 'clean' like IYA turned out. That edginess in the sound helps give it a truer live feel. Hell, this tape I have (probably a couple generations old as it is) is pretty darn near adequate for this sort of release, just a little EQ needed. Anyway, that's my wish...I have very fond memories of that drive to Toronto for the very first HW show on North American soil in over 10 years. (I never did pay that parking ticket! And the woman at the door did the Can-US $ conversion the wrong way, and short-changed me big time!! Unfortunately I didn't notice until much later.) Who else was there? Eric S. and Steven L. I'm sure, though I didn't know them at the time. So, who here is carrying the collector's series? Mr. Speigel? Paul? Henrik? Or do we have to go through the Doug P.-Mike H.-HW connection? Keith H. (FAA) From bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET Wed Oct 20 16:45:32 1999 From: bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 16:45:32 -0400 Subject: OFF: Frond Live CD (was Re: HW: Anthology/Sloterdijk/Bevis) In-Reply-To: <199910191714.NAA18929@mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: Keith wrote: >So how's that new Live in SF >album? And where are they available? It sounds just like the band does in concert. (No sarcasm intended.) I mean, if you crank it up as loud as you can on your stereo and invite 60+ friends to your house to listen to it, it would sound like the concert you just went to. Different drummer, somewhat different guitar solos, slightly different bass fills, but the sound is dead-on. I know it's available through CDNow, CDUniverse, etc. I don't think you can order it directly from the Flydaddy site. And it's not for sale on the Woronzow site. Brian From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Oct 20 17:16:51 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:16:51 EDT Subject: OFF: Frond Live CD (was Re: HW: Anthology/Sloterdijk/Bevis) In-Reply-To: <4.1.19991020163840.0094f1f0@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: > From: Brian Halligan > Keith wrote: > >So how's that new Live in SF > >album? And where are they available? > > It sounds just like the band does in concert. (No sarcasm intended.) I > mean, if you crank it up as loud as you can on your stereo and invite 60+ > friends to your house to listen to it, it would sound like the concert you > just went to. Different drummer, somewhat different guitar solos, slightly > different bass fills, but the sound is dead-on. > Did you say that there was another BF gig in the upstate NY area? Had to miss the Roch. show but would like to catch them again... theo From bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET Wed Oct 20 19:50:29 1999 From: bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 19:50:29 -0400 Subject: OFF: Frond Live CD In-Reply-To: <26088FC3A26@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: >Did you say that there was another BF gig in the upstate NY area? >Had to miss the Roch. show but would like to catch them again... > >theo Went to the Northampton, MA gig on Tues. and crashed at Jason's pad in Albany. I'm glad I could get the days off from work. It was another great show! Unfortunately, the tour ends in NYC tonight. Based on comments Nick made about the tour though, I'm sure they'll be back soon. It sounded like they really enjoyed it. Brian From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Oct 20 22:15:20 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:15:20 EDT Subject: HW: Collectors Series queries Message-ID: You know, today I'm listening to a great tape (thanks Chuck) of the 1989 US tour (Milwaukee in this case), and am re-realizing how fantastic a show this was!! Well, I didn't see the Milwaukee show, but I was at Toronto and Cleveland. My goodness, what a phenomenal show...I remember hearing (after the postponement of the original dates) that Huwy had split just before coming over and being really disappointed, but as much as I would've loved to see HLL play with Hawkwind, I don't think this show would've been the same. Since they probably had to drop a bunch of 80s material, things like Magnu, Down through the Night, and Damnation Alley appeared. The only thing that would've made this show better was if Simon was there to fill in the empty void in tracks like Wind of Change. Anyway, I just wanted to publicly state my sincere wish that the collectors series would someday grow to include a full-length version of the '89 US set. ---Are you sure this isn't the Minneapolis gig? That is a great one; I think it was released as a CD bootleg a couple years ago, called "Damnation Alley", though obviously, as it was a single disc, some of it had to be cut. I know, some of Palace Springs is derived from that same material (anybody know what show that was? San Fran?), ---At the Palace! In Hollywood. A little club, perfect place to see HW (unfortunately in '89 I would've said "HawkWHO??" or "WHATwind??" Chuck From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Oct 21 07:28:46 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 07:28:46 EDT Subject: OFF: Frond Live CD In-Reply-To: <4.1.19991020194316.0094c5b0@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: > From: Brian Halligan > > Went to the Northampton, MA gig on Tues. and crashed at Jason's pad in > Albany. I'm glad I could get the days off from work. It was another great > show! Unfortunately, the tour ends in NYC tonight. Based on comments Nick > made about the tour though, I'm sure they'll be back soon. It sounded like > they really enjoyed it. Hey, was that at the Iron Horse? What kind of venue is it? A lot of different acts play there, incl. folkies. Decent crowd? How's about a review? theo From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Oct 21 12:25:56 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:25:56 +0100 Subject: OFF: SETI@home Message-ID: I can't believe that there are only nine of us on the In Search Of... group. Come on - join up! (Sadly, since my last job ended rather abruptly I no longer have the ludicrously fast G3 I was using to grind my way through results. But I'm catching you Randy!) Cheers, Rich. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Thu Oct 21 11:40:34 1999 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:40:34 -0400 Subject: HW: Collectors Series queries Message-ID: I was at the Palace show in Hollywood. I just remember being right near the stage, in between Dave Brock and Alan Davey. It was a great show!! I just wish I had a video of the performance. I guess the closest would be the Live Legends video. I remember standing in line, waiting to get into the Palace, and talking to all these Hawkwind fans!!! I felt like I knew them all for years!!! It was a magical moment for me. After waiting all those many years, and finally seeing HW live. Great!!! Dan D. -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Rosenberg [SMTP:Chuckrecs at AOL.COM] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 1999 7:15 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW: Collectors Series queries You know, today I'm listening to a great tape (thanks Chuck) of the 1989 US tour (Milwaukee in this case), and am re-realizing how fantastic a show this was!! Well, I didn't see the Milwaukee show, but I was at Toronto and Cleveland. My goodness, what a phenomenal show...I remember hearing (after the postponement of the original dates) that Huwy had split just before coming over and being really disappointed, but as much as I would've loved to see HLL play with Hawkwind, I don't think this show would've been the same. Since they probably had to drop a bunch of 80s material, things like Magnu, Down through the Night, and Damnation Alley appeared. The only thing that would've made this show better was if Simon was there to fill in the empty void in tracks like Wind of Change. Anyway, I just wanted to publicly state my sincere wish that the collectors series would someday grow to include a full-length version of the '89 US set. ---Are you sure this isn't the Minneapolis gig? That is a great one; I think it was released as a CD bootleg a couple years ago, called "Damnation Alley", though obviously, as it was a single disc, some of it had to be cut. I know, some of Palace Springs is derived from that same material (anybody know what show that was? San Fran?), ---At the Palace! In Hollywood. A little club, perfect place to see HW (unfortunately in '89 I would've said "HawkWHO??" or "WHATwind??" Chuck From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Oct 21 11:33:56 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:33:56 -0400 Subject: HW:/OFF: Quarkstock 2K!!! Message-ID: Hi Folks... Paul's given me the ok to get the early word out... For all of you people who want an indoor space rock festival to complement Strange Daze, make your reservations for Memorial Day weekend (5/27-28) in Columbus, OH now! The local Quarkspace crew is hard at work organizing Quarkstock 2000, a two-day indoor spacerock festival Sat.-Sun. 6 PM - ?, with some sort of merchandising/convention function in the afternoon. Perhaps at a nearby hotel, where we hope to arrange a block of rooms at a discount. The venue (Ruby Tuesday's) is unfortunately a little small...will hold 200 at most, but the most obvious (and larger) club (Little Bros.) turned it down, for reasons like 'What happens if bands don't show up, like that European band.' Speaking of Tribe of Cro, of course. Damn, I knew that was going to cause problems!!! (Last Crohinga Well *I'm* ever going to purchase! Nah, I don't hold *that* much of a grudge.) But anyway, it will certainly mean that bands aren't playing to an empty house!! OK, so who's on the bill... So far, it appears that the following have agreed... Dark Aether Project French TV (not really spacerock, but still a cool quirky prog band!) Escapade Alien Planetscapes quarkspace Born to Go and perhaps Tombstone Valentine Architectural Metaphor and obviously, lights provided by the Solar Fire Lightshow!! I will certainly flood you with updates whenever things become more certain, as we here at Aural Innovations will certainly be doing our part as local hosts. I think with Orion failing to occur this year, we really need to add something like this. Hopefully, you'll all come out to bucolic Ohio and support this event so Paul could book a bigger venue for 2001. Space on brothers and sisters...Keith H. (FAA) P.S. Remember, Columbus is a *very* cheap city to fly in and out of, especially if you book early. I've gotten to SF and back for under $200 from here. From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Thu Oct 21 17:41:18 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:41:18 -0400 Subject: OFF: Uncle Frond's on Mars Message-ID: For once, I'm glad I didn't get the new Brain Surgeons CD. Why? the BEvis Frond were COLOSSAL at Iron Horse music Hall Tuesday. The set list, for those of you who dig that stuff was like this: Hole Song no. 2 -- Which tore the asphalt of Center Street with that riff. By the way, Nick's vox on this tour/this show were DEAD ON. The drummer was young.. not as good as Andy W. but he shows rock and roll soul potential. Virus clipped along at a smoking pace, everything reallyclicked. And Nick told interesting stores of intestinal woes and the EVILS of Margaret Thatcher _in relatino to the nature of the verses of London Stone (which was played)) "Maybe" was really cooooooool. For me the highligh was "God Speed you to Earth" the fact Nick sung this better at the show than on the LP made it rock harder. And the end where they play the chorus in a rocknroll fashion featured a rippin' HEAVY bass by mssr. Shaw. The band really took off jamminwise. The cream of the crop after that would have to be Well Out of It, Temple Falls, and the encore-- Begging Bowl which actualyl found Nick trashing away What else? Lights are Changing was anice change of pace :) He'd be a Diamond was better than at Syracuse.Stone Train Driver almost had the right amount of bluesy swagger. Ther were probably a feew more.... ah yes-- the 2nd track on Vavona Burr All in all, a great selection of songs and the band were quite visibly having fun on the stage. They were just so tightly HEAVy in their rockin' out mode that it made any possible appreciation of the possibly PoW quite difficult. Though, not that the ears stopped ringing, there's still no PoW in my stereo. Sob.... (I hope I filled out that money order right...if I didn't "D'oh!!!!!" and a few other expletives) Helplessly hoping for Brain Surgeons, (never thought you'd see a Crosby Stills and Nash lyric in the same line as tBS, didya? Shows you how desparate (for music) I am!) Jason PS: urban guerilla and Death Trap and Uncle Sam's on Mars have taken residency in my car. Yay tape! From bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET Thu Oct 21 17:54:09 1999 From: bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:54:09 -0400 Subject: OFF: The Iron Horse (was Re: OFF: Frond Live CD) In-Reply-To: <19991021160733.590.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: Theo wrote: >Hey, was that at the Iron Horse? What kind of venue is it? A lot of >different acts play there, incl. folkies. Decent crowd? How's about >a review? Jason handled the review, so I'll handle the venue. Yep, it was the Iron Horse. It was basically a bar/restaruant with a decent-sized raised stage (deep enough to handle the drum kit for the opener and for Frond at the same time, anyway). The place had unfinished hardwood floors and a balcony that formed a reverse "L" shape in the right-hand corner of the hall. Of course, when there's a balcony there's high ceilings, so there was some echo to the sound system. But the house soundman was good, so the mix was well-balanced. There weren't any special lighting rigs, just one bank of lights that they either didn't use, or they were all just regular white light. Like you wrote, the Iron Horse has seen a lot of different acts. There were more autographed pictures there than I've ever seen in a club. I can't remember any act in particular, but I saw punks and people with cowboy hats on the same wall. I couldn't say how many people were at the show, but almost all of the tables were full. The show started at 8:30, and the place filled up during the two opening acts. You could tell some were already Frond fans, but a lot of them seemed to be hearing the band for the first time. The crowd was probably 70% male and pretty much what you see at any bar gig. Except for one gorgeous blonde woman in stylish clothes who looked totally out of place (not that I'm complaining that she was there....) Judging by the dancing people and the applause, everyone enjoyed the show. Brian From Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG Fri Oct 22 04:58:36 1999 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG (Olivier Boigey) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 10:58:36 +0200 Subject: HW:Hawkzone Message-ID: Hawkzone, the magazine has a new web site (in french only); please check it at Olivier /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Olivier Boigey mailto:olivier_boigey at technolink.org http://www.bwaje.claranet.fr /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Oct 22 07:30:59 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 07:30:59 EDT Subject: OFF: bye bye from kolina d. Message-ID: <> ======= "<>" From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Fri Oct 22 08:14:44 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 08:14:44 -0400 Subject: BOC FAQ v3.1 is now available for download Message-ID: Ladies, Fish, and Gentlemen: While it's a bit later than I had hoped (kind of like the next Sony compilation on BOC), I have finally released the latest version of the BOC FAQ. It is available by going to my BOC website at http://members.aol.com/bocfaqman So, what's new in the FAQ, you might ask? Well, according to the FAQ itself: This version of this FAQ, identified as version "3.1", supersedes all previous versions. It contains the following changes over version 3.0: Many additional random bits of information have been sprinkled throughout the FAQ. New sections were added on live radio broadcasts, demo material by the band, and the heights of the original line-up. A new question (Where can I find BOC MP3s?) has also been added. The discography section has been updated to include new BOC compilations and bootlegs that have been released, as well as the new release *Piece Of Work* by the Brain Surgeons. In addition, Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab released a re-mastered "gold" CD of *Blue Oyster Cult* and *Tyranny And Mutation* on a single CD (complete with restored album sleeve artwork and new liner notes penned by Eric Bloom), and a "BOC Tribute Album" (*Don't Fear The Remake* by Too Hip For The Room) now exists. Finally, with all the concern in the world this year about the "Y2K" issue with computers, the FAQ has been modified to be "Y2K-compliant": All date references using 2 digits (e.g. "the 70's") have been replaced by 4 digits (e.g. "the 1970's). Is this necessary? Hardly, but, at least you can't blame me when your computer crashes on January 1st, 2000. I hope you all enjoy it - an HTML version should be available shortly. As always, please feel free to send me comments, corrections, or additions. However, before you tell me of some seemingly obscure BOC reference, make sure it isn't in the FAQ first! Also, to anyone linking to the FAQ, be sure to link to the latest version -- of course, the easiest way to do this is just to link directly to my BOC webpage, as it will always have the latest version. And, as always, "Good Health to You", John Swartz (BOCFAQMAN at aol.com) From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Fri Oct 22 10:18:20 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:18:20 +0200 Subject: OFF: SETI@home In-Reply-To: <002d01bf1be0$f46b9a20$3d01a8c0@tpd.co.uk> Message-ID: I totally agree > I can't believe that there are only nine of us on the In Search Of... group. > Come on - join up! Use this link and fill it ou, you'll join immediately! setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/cgi?cmd=team_join_form&id=23645 --BArt From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 22 11:34:20 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:34:20 +0100 Subject: HW: New releases: Question for band Message-ID: I've been told that they'll be delayed "at leasta couple of weeks" beyond the end of October. The tracklist for the double Live '79 looks promising. Silver Machine is in there, hopefully the full version shich was rather nice that year. Also PXR5 which was excellent, and New Jerusalem. I'd have hoped that Blake's "Waiting For Nati" would be in there too as another of the missing songs which didn't make it to CD (see Notes). On the Greasy Truckers album there is of course Master of the Universe and Born To Go. Also included is "Jam" and "Improvisation". If "Jam" is the same track that follows the Greasy Truckers material on the Weird tapes then there's a mystery. I found this identical (though slowed down) to the "Seeing It As You Really Are" piece preceding Silver Machine on Roadhawks (and why hasn't Roadhawks ever made it to CD?). This was allegedly the encore on the Space Ritual set rather than part of Greasy Truckers. Maybe someone from the band who has either a very long memory or a very indexed tape collection could clear this up for us trainspotters who keep the Codex up to date? The Glastonbury '89 set (why oh why did I give up and go to bed that night?) looks like the full set too. FoFP From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Oct 22 11:56:07 1999 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 23:56:07 +0800 Subject: HW: Codex please In-Reply-To: <199910221534.QAA23217@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi there Can someone please end me a copy of the latest Codex & Discography please, as I'm not sure which Web Sites have it up as yet? Thanks William From dhira.lalita at VIRGIN.NET Fri Oct 22 11:04:49 1999 From: dhira.lalita at VIRGIN.NET (Dhira Lalita) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:04:49 +0100 Subject: HW: brixton gig Message-ID: I just called box office there and they do not have Hawkwind playing in December and have no tickets. I guess they would not have any tickets if there is no event! DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Bart Brugmans (aka Gekke Henkie) To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 1999 9:33 AM Subject: HW: brixton gig Hi, I just saw that brixton updated their events page, but still there is no notice of HW playing there. Could I just be right to say there will be no more 30 year anniversery gig? Or am I just to pessimistic. --BArt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Fri Oct 22 14:35:25 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 20:35:25 +0200 Subject: HW: New releases: Question for band In-Reply-To: <199910221534.QAA23217@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi there At 16:34 22.10.99 +0100, you wrote: >I've been told that they'll be delayed "at leasta couple of weeks" >beyond the end of October. I didn't believe that they would be realeased in time. Hey, didn't you know that we're talking 'bout Hawkwind ;-)))) >I'd have hoped that Blake's "Waiting For Nati" would be in there too as >another of the missing songs which didn't make it to CD (see Notes). "Waiting For Nati" was played only 1 time by the band live (Folkestone 12.07.80) >On the Greasy Truckers album there is of course Master of the Universe >and Born To Go. Also included is "Jam" and "Improvisation". If "Jam" is >the same track that follows the Greasy Truckers material on the Weird >tapes then there's a mystery. I found this identical (though slowed >down) to the "Seeing It As You Really Are" piece preceding Silver >Machine on Roadhawks Maybe "Jam" or "Improvisation" is identical with MAKE WHAT YOU CAN, which is from the same gig (13.02.1972) >The Glastonbury '89 set looks like the full set too. Really 1989 ?? I thought this CD is from the 1990 Glastonbury gig ( see the possible dates below) TOWN: HALL: DATE: DAY: Glastonbury Festival 20.06.89 Tue Glastonbury Festival 21.06.89 Wed Glastonbury Festival 23.06.90 Sat Glastonbury Festival 24.06.90 Sun Bernhard From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Oct 22 14:15:21 1999 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:15:21 +0100 Subject: OFF: sorry - testing - please ignore Message-ID: told you jill -- ====================================================================== Jill Strobridge or J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk ====================================================================== From bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET Fri Oct 22 22:05:21 1999 From: bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET (Brian Halligan) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 22:05:21 -0400 Subject: BOC: Roadhouse Blues Message-ID: I missed Woodstock '99 (on purpose), but according to a review of the new Woodstock '99 2CD set at http://www.theonion.com at least a very small part of it would have been interesting to hear. Excerpt of review by Stephen Thompson: >Creed at least tries to acknowledge tradition by propping up The Doors' Robby Krieger to join in on >"Roadhouse Blues," It would be interesting to compare the Creed and BOC cover versions. Creed are very popular on the local rock stations, but I think they're just average. Like a lot of bands though, I bet they have more of an edge when they play live. I wonder if Creed are at least aware of the BOC version with Krieger? Or does Krieger do a lot of guesting, and Creed are just the latest band in a long string to play with him on Roadhouse? Help me here...I'm trying to get some BOC traffic started. :-) Brian obCD> ETL From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Oct 22 12:10:41 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:10:41 -0400 Subject: HW: New releases: Question for band In-Reply-To: <199910221534.QAA23217@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 16.34 +0100 99-10-22, M Holmes wrote: >The tracklist for the double Live '79 looks promising. Silver Machine is >in there, hopefully the full version shich was rather nice that year. >Also PXR5 which was excellent, and New Jerusalem. Damn it, I stop paying attention for a couple of weeks and they suddenly start releasing clever stuff when I get back! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Oct 23 03:45:45 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 03:45:45 EDT Subject: BOC: Roadhouse Blues Message-ID: In a message dated 10/22/99 10:09:57 PM, bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET writes: << Or does Krieger do a lot of guesting, and Creed are just the latest band in a long string to play with him on Roadhouse?>> ==== it's just that it's so easy to play...^_~ ==== <> ==== sowing the wind, are we? 3:43 am sleeping i wish i was "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Oct 23 04:04:25 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 04:04:25 EDT Subject: HW: New releases: Question for band Message-ID: In a message dated 10/22/99 2:37:19 PM, bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE writes: << Maybe "Jam" or "Improvisation" is identical with MAKE WHAT YOU CAN (*1*,) which is from the same gig (13.02.1972) (*2*) >> ======== hi bernhard! *1* no, it's not *2* no, it's not and in regards to this olde stuff, dont neskasarily believe what you read, as popeye would say. "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Oct 23 04:45:47 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 04:45:47 EDT Subject: HW: New releases: Question for band Message-ID: In a message dated 10/22/99 2:37:19 PM, bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE writes: << If "Jam" is >the same track that follows the Greasy Truckers material on the Weird >tapes then there's a mystery. I found this identical (though slowed >down) to the "Seeing It As You Really Are" piece preceding Silver >Machine on Roadhawks >> ============= no mystery. the track on the weird tape, if my memory serves me well, is simply the end of another hawkwind show. it's not slowed down so much as on this occasion they're playing it slower. well, yeah, then it slowed down but =nnnggghhh= the recording itself hasnt been slowed down. "<>" From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sat Oct 23 05:40:55 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 11:40:55 +0200 Subject: HW: New releases: Question for band In-Reply-To: <0.c9cc6252.2542c609@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi At 04:04 23.10.99 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 10/22/99 2:37:19 PM, bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE writes: > ><< >Maybe "Jam" or "Improvisation" is identical with MAKE WHAT YOU CAN (*1*,) >which is from the same gig (13.02.1972) (*2*) > *1* no, it's not OK > *2* no, it's not Do not believe this. I am very sure that MAKE WHAT YOU CAN is from Roundhouse 13.02.1972 !!! Just check the end of MAKE WHAT YOU CAN and the beginning of SILVER MACHINE. They are fitting perfectly together And I remember Brian Tawn saying a couple of years ago that MWYC is from the 13.02.72 gig Bernhard From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Oct 23 06:52:40 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 06:52:40 EDT Subject: HW: New releases: Question for band Message-ID: In a message dated 10/23/99 5:41:23 AM, bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE writes: << > *2* no, it's not Do not believe this. I am very sure that MAKE WHAT YOU CAN is from Roundhouse 13.02.1972 !!! Just check the end of MAKE WHAT YOU CAN and the beginning of SILVER MACHINE. They are fitting perfectly together And I remember Brian Tawn saying a couple of years ago that MWYC is from the 13.02.72 gig >> =============== um, no. i am not thinking so. wasnt this discussed just lately? someone else was saying it was recorded in los angeles on HW's first US tour in late 73. gentlemen, if nothing else, compare the drum sound on that song to the rest of the 2/13/72 stuff. "<>" From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Sat Oct 23 07:25:46 1999 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (Sonique) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 21:25:46 +1000 Subject: HW: Collectors Series queries Message-ID: On 20 Oct 99, at 14:33, Keith Henderson wrote: > So, has anyone figured out when these releases are going to trickle out for > public consumption? And whether these are going to be distributed through > standard channels, or again by the passport-style method? and ... > So, who here is carrying the collector's series? Mr. Speigel? Paul? > Henrik? Or do we have to go through the Doug P.-Mike H.-HW connection? I've been taking orders - my german supplier from who I buy most of my Euro stock has had them listed for about three weeks ... supposed release date of 24-10-99 (tommorrow - a Sunday?) I'll let the list know as soon as my back-order starts filling, but to answer your question it looks like they are going out through 'proper' distribution channels (also, Gary at artist shop has listed them - I don't know from which supplier he is getting them) Sonique (in Bilby mode) -- sonique at sonique.net From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sat Oct 23 07:39:56 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 13:39:56 +0200 Subject: HW: New releases: Question for band In-Reply-To: <0.3e63435c.2542ed78@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Larry At 06:52 23.10.99 -0400, you wrote: >um, no. i am not thinking so. Ooops! >wasnt this discussed just lately? Can't remeber >someone else was saying it was recorded in los angeles on HW's >first US tour in late 73. I do not think so >gentlemen, if nothing else, compare the drum sound on that song >to the rest of the 2/13/72 stuff. I did. And I am now more sure than before. Both tracks are fitting perfectly together. AFAIK this song (MAKE WHAT YOU CAN) was never played before (and again) by Hawkwind. But lets ask the chief: Hey Dave, do you know where (or when) this song was played live ? bernhard From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Oct 23 08:20:41 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 08:20:41 EDT Subject: HW: New releases: Question for band Message-ID: In a message dated 10/23/99 7:40:24 AM, bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE writes: << >someone else was saying it was recorded in los angeles on HW's >first US tour in late 73. I do not think so ===== oh it's getting funny now (grin) or is it just that i've stayed up all night? >gentlemen, if nothing else, compare the drum sound on that song >to the rest of the 2/13/72 stuff. I did. And I am now more sure than before. Both tracks are fitting perfectly together. ===== aint no way, man much more distinct drum sound on "MWYC" they're miked differently and IMO it's not the same kit. as the 4 tops once sang "wake me shake me when it's over" zzzzzzzzz "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Oct 23 08:24:57 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 08:24:57 EDT Subject: OFF: Message-ID: could someone a bit more technically-endowed than moi explain to this one what is being this ? thanking you "<>" From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sat Oct 23 09:46:56 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 15:46:56 +0200 Subject: HW: New releases: Question for band In-Reply-To: <0.595165df.25430219@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi again At 08:20 23.10.99 -0400, you wrote: >oh it's getting funny now (grin) Yes it is :-)) >or is it just that i've stayed up all night? It's time to go to bed now Larry ;-) >they're miked differently Because the recording source is a different one SILVER MACHINE comes from the GLASTONBURY FAYRE record and MAKE WHAT YOU CAN comes from a Weird tape Originally they are both from the same gig But: Lets wait what the chief says Bernhard From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Sat Oct 23 10:02:58 1999 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 15:02:58 +0100 Subject: HW: New releases: Question for band In-Reply-To: <199910221534.QAA23217@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 16:34 22/10/99 , M Holmes wrote: >I found this identical (though slowed >down) to the "Seeing It As You Really Are" piece preceding Silver >Machine on Roadhawks Eh? Doesn't "You Shouldn't Do That" precede "Silver Machine" on Roadhawks? Dave. Dave Berry, www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~daveb From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Oct 23 10:53:41 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 10:53:41 EDT Subject: HW: New releases: Question for band Message-ID: In a message dated 10/23/99 10:14:46 AM, daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK writes: << Eh? Doesn't "You Shouldn't Do That" precede "Silver Machine" on Roadhawks? Dave. Dave Berry, www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~daveb < >> ============== well yeah, but y'see in those days hawkwind tended to encore with "you shouldnt do that" blending into "seeing it...". on ROADHAWKS it happens to be listed as one title. used to be their set began with an extended "you shouldnt..." and ended with "seeing it". often the encore was a jacked-up version of "sweet mistress of pain", sounding more like "master of the universe". (come to think of it, it was bernhard himself who clarified what this was to me, 5 or 6 years ago.) later, "silver machine" was often tossed into the encore medley , so you' d get "shouldnt do that" AND "silver machine" AND "seeing it". pretty neat, huh? and while ROADHAWKS has been mentioned, the edits on that version of "shouldnt do that" are among the all-time worst, anyone else think so? "<>" From hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM Sat Oct 23 14:48:38 1999 From: hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM (Randy) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 13:48:38 -0500 Subject: OFF: SETI@home In-Reply-To: <002d01bf1be0$f46b9a20$3d01a8c0@tpd.co.uk> Message-ID: Rich.wrote: >I can't believe that there are only nine of us on the In Search Of... group. >Come on - join up! > >(Sadly, since my last job ended rather abruptly I no longer have the >ludicrously fast G3 I was using to grind my way through results. But I'm >catching you Randy!) uoop...you passed me. I see Eric did a work unit in just over 8 hours dam that's fast.... Randy From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Sat Oct 23 15:07:20 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 14:07:20 -0500 Subject: HW: Collectors Series queries Message-ID: and ... > So, who here is carrying the collector's series? Mr. Speigel? Paul? > Henrik? Or do we have to go through the Doug P.-Mike H.-HW connection? (Hawkman turning his head left and right, jesturing "no") From jgoran at TELEBOT.COM Sat Oct 23 16:26:43 1999 From: jgoran at TELEBOT.COM (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 21:26:43 +0100 Subject: OFF: In-Reply-To: <0.3169e7ca.25430319@aol.com> Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote in <0.3169e7ca.25430319 at aol.com>: >could someone a bit more technically-endowed than moi explain to this one >what is being this ? It's a (end of) HTML tag for eXaMPle. This is when you read examples given on some web page, and they are usually in some fixed pitch font, like Courier, unlike the normal text, that is in some variable font, like Times or Helvetica. -- Goran From dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET Sat Oct 23 17:04:47 1999 From: dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET (dhuggins) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 17:04:47 -0400 Subject: HW: Purchase Advice Message-ID: Listees, I have been holding off on buying HW stuff the last year because I couldn't find a source that "had it all" I am in the states, and prefer to buy here. I am looking for the following on CD: -Quark, Strangeness, and Charm ( the original 70's recording, but not the one with the Griffen Book) -Distant Horizons -In Your Area I prefer to pay by personal check, even if I have to wait for the check to clear on the other end. Is there ever a possibility that HW 97 will ever be put out other than through passport holders? I just don't like submitting my picture and details to anyone, not just HW. Dave From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Sat Oct 23 17:18:42 1999 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (si halley) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 22:18:42 +0100 Subject: HW: Purchase Advice Message-ID: ----------------------------------------------- The Alice Cooper Trivia File: http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/ The Tubes Archive: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/7998/index.htm Subject: HW: Purchase Advice > Is there ever a possibility that HW 97 will ever be put out other than > through passport holders? I just don't like submitting my picture and > details to anyone, not just HW. I sent off a SAE for info on the passports ages ago. Never heard anything back and had forgotten about it. Can someone remind me of the address so I can try again. Si From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Sun Oct 24 10:02:04 1999 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 10:02:04 EDT Subject: Nik Turner as guest Message-ID: http://allmusic.com/cg/x.dll?UID=3:27:15|AM&p=amg&sql=A206800 go to above URL for most interesting line-up. this one completely got by me. also: Nik Turner is a guest on one (VERY LONG) track on "Mushroom Music Monoliths" the Gathering Of The Psyches. a compilation LP on Swamp Records Nik plays on one track with Mandragora Lightshow Society the track: "Floating At The Gate Of Dawn" I'm sure everyone already knows everthing about the above, but just in case... Love In Space bob http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sun Oct 24 10:19:12 1999 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 22:19:12 +0800 Subject: HW: New releases: Question for band In-Reply-To: <199910230940.LAA17164@mail.home.ins.de> Message-ID: > I am very sure that MAKE WHAT YOU CAN is from Roundhouse 13.02.1972 !!! > > Just check the end of MAKE WHAT YOU CAN and the beginning of > SILVER MACHINE. > They are fitting perfectly together > I always thought the end bit on MAKE WHAT YOU CAN (where it fades out) sounded very familiar! William From artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM Sun Oct 24 15:19:47 1999 From: artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM (Gary Davis) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 15:19:47 -0400 Subject: Brain Surgeons, Hawkwind, Quarkspace Message-ID: Hi, folks: The latest Artist Shop newsletter is out and you'll find it in its entirety at . Here are some excerpts of interest to Hawkwind/BOC fans. This first tidbit wasn't in this last newsletter, but will definitely be in the forthcoming one. On our Cellsum page we now have the long awaited Brain Surgeons/Piece of Work! I think Brain Surgeons fans in general would have to agree that each album keeps getting better and better. You'll be glad to know that Piece of Work doesn't change that trend. Piece of Work is defintely the most diverse of the Brain Surgeons albums so far. While the last BOC album was OK, if it had had more of the creativity and diversity that is on Piece of Work, it would really have been a killer album! Just my humble opinion. We have a lot of new and forthcoming releases on our Voiceprint page . Among the forthcoming releases are Hawkwind/Live At Glastonbury Festival 1990 - By the end of the 80's, after numerous line up changes, arguments over royalties and the death of Robert Calvert it looked like the end of Hawkwind. But with yet another new line up, the album Space Bandits was issued on Castle to great acclaim, with the band's date sheet fuller than ever, playing dates with the new breed of festival acts such as Ozric Tentacles. This gig was recorded at the band's spiritual home Glastonbury at 5 a.m. in the Travellers Field, it is previously unreleased and includes a blend of old and new material. Musicians Bridget Wishart::vocals. Dave Brock::vocals, guitars, keyboard. Alan Davey::bass, vocals. Harvey Bainbridge::vocals, keyboards Richard Chadwick::Drums. Hawkwind/Greasy Truckers - This gig was recorded at the Roundhouse in 1972 at The Greasy Truckers Party. Featuring the classic line up of Brock, Calvert, Turner, Lemmy, King, Dikmik and Dettmar. The original version of Silver Machine, with Calvert on spoken - word vocals was featured in the set. Hawkwind's manager Doug Smith then took Lemmy into Morgan Studios to re-record the vocals,and the single released later in the year became an international best seller. Hawkwind/Choose Your Masques - Live 1982 - Collectors Series Volume 1 - The early 80's saw Hawkwind signed to RCA, 3 albums were released, of which Choose Your Masques was the most successful. Whilst the band had gone through another line up change, the core of Dave Brock, Huw Lloyd - Langton and Harvey Bainbridge saw their date sheet as full as ever. This double cd is a 24 track recording of the complete show with a full colour booklet, which is a faithfull reproduction of the tour programme. Hawkwind/Complete '79 - Collectors Series Volume 2 - By 1979 the band consisted of Brock, Lloyd - Langton, King, Bainbridge with special guest Tim Blake of Gong. The album Live Seventy Nine (re -issued by Castle) captured the punky spirit of the period and resulted in a minor hit single "Shot Down In The Night". This double cd set is a complete show from the 1979 tour, and the booklet consists of a full colour reproduction of the tour programme. On our Outer Music page you'll find Various Artists/Strange Daze '97 - Live 2-CD set from America's first outdoor SpaceRock Festival "STRANGE DAZE '97" featuring the legendary Hawkwind and Nik Turner playing together again for the first time in over 14 years. Disc One is 13 full length tracks by some of America's top SpaceRock bands who played - Alien Planetscapes, F/i, Melting Euphoria, Architectual Metaphor, Quarkspace and many others. Disc Two features full length tracks by Hawkwind w/ Nik Turner and Nik w/ Far Flung, plus sampled bits of all the acts who appeared. It's a non-stop "Cosmic Trip" though the festival! And speaking of Quarkspace Quarkspace/The Hidden Moon - Eternity's Jest Records' motto is a dedication to freaky sounds and the new quarkspace 2-CD, The Hidden Moon, is packed full of all things freaky, dreamily flowing, and even fun. Right from the beginning we hear "attention alien aircraft!", and know that the space journey has begun. From the cosmic space guitar licks of Prince(?), to the techno sampled experiments of Starbridge Freaks, and the space blues of Bones Blues For Planet X, there's something here for all fans of spacerock, improvisational jams, and ambient music. The Hidden Moon also includes the epic spacerock opera Where Galaxies Collide in which Earth battles for survival. quarkspace improves with each new release and The Hidden Moon draws from the past as well as moving forward to the future." - Jerry Kranitz of Aural Innovations magazine And I know there are some King Crimson fans here that might be interested to know that we have a new IRC Chat planned! Composer and multi-instrumentalist Ian McDonald, a founding member of both King Crimson and Foreigner, will join The Artist Shop and Talk City for a chat on Wednesday, October 27 at 9pm eastern/6pm pacific. Ian will be taking your questions and discussing such topics as his debut solo album, Drivers Eyes, and its impending US release, his recent work with Steve Hackett, and the 30th anniversary edition of the album, In the Court of the Crimson King, for which he was the main composer. Details on joining the chat can be found at . Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop.com phone: 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sun Oct 24 15:41:13 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 15:41:13 EDT Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Set-list 10/23/99 Message-ID: IF YOU WANT TO BE ADDED/REMOVED FROM THIS MAILING LIST, PLEASE E-MAIL ME. Did anyone listen on WinAmp? If so, let me know, I'd like to hear about it. Also, I'll be taking requests by e-mail for those listening thru WinAmp; I will bring the request for next Sat's show. "Space Does Not Care" 10/23/99; 88.3fm KUCR, 5-8pm PST Saturdays. Available on Web Radio thru WinAmp (e-mail for instructions). 1.Hawkwind--You Shouldn't Do That (In Search of Space) 2.Ebeling Hughes--Butterfly (Transfigured Night) 3.Electric Orange--Journey Through Weird Scenes feat. Cows in Space (Cud Chewer Mix) (Orange Communication) 4.Ashra Tempel--Freak 'N' Roll (Join Inn) 5.Ozric Tentacles--Live Throbbe (Strangeitude) 6.Nik Turner--Kadu Flyer (Past or Future?) 7.The Orb--Blue Room (Live '93) 8.Quarkspace--Air (Live Orion) 9.Sundial--Visitation (Other Way Out) 10.Frank Zappa/Mothers--Theme from Burnt Weeny Sandwich (Burnt Weeny Sandwich) 11.Faust--Listen to the Fish (Rien) 12.Hawkwind/Astralasia--Assassin (Decide Your Future EP) 13.Spacious Mind--The One Who Really Won the War (Organic Mind Solution) 14.Escapade--It (Citrus Cloud Cover) 15.Melting Euphoria--Landships Awake (Inside the Gardens of the Mind) 16.Hawkwind--Space Chase (Stonehenge/This is Hawkwind: Do Not Panic) 17.Darxtar--Into the Unknown (Daybreak) Comments/questions welcome, Chuck From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Oct 24 18:57:01 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 18:57:01 EDT Subject: HW: New releases: Question for band Message-ID: In a message dated 10/24/99 10:19:49 AM, xl5 at IINET.NET.AU writes: quoth bernhard: << I am very sure that MAKE WHAT YOU CAN is from Roundhouse 13.02.1972 !!! > > Just check the end of MAKE WHAT YOU CAN and the beginning of > SILVER MACHINE. > They are fitting perfectly together >=============== sayeth x15: I always thought the end bit on MAKE WHAT YOU CAN (where it fades out) sounded very familiar! William >> ========================================================================= fellas, we really gotta talk. bernhard, i played that sequence on WEIRD 106 that goes "make what you can/born to go/master of the universe/"jam" "make what you can" is not -- pause. ---is not from that 2/13/72 show. sorry. the drum sound is different from all the other 2/13 stuff. the snare, the bass, the ride cymbal... the drum sound on everything else is consistent. the vocal sound is different too. and while the short lead guitar break on this "born to go" is in the approach of the lead overdub on "silver machine", neither resembles the 'space ritual'-type lead break on 'make what you can'...for reasons including it was recorded later. up to 18 months later by one account here, just recently. the song's presence on that tape doesnt make it part of that show. and "jam", which fades in, is 'seeing it', the end of the encore, going by those 'thank you's' from the band. the sound is consistent w/ the rest of the 2/13 material, so as their set may well have begun w/'born to go', perhaps this 'seeing it' is the second half of "you shouldnt do that". and btw, whoever suggested to me the drummer on 2/13 was in fact king on ollis's kit, i do believe that was the solution. thanks! and one more reason to believe "make what you can" is king on his own kit. c'mon guys, bernhard ol' pal, really. can't you just hear the difference? "<>" From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Sun Oct 24 21:40:53 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 20:40:53 -0500 Subject: HW: dig this. Message-ID: You can now ASK lemmy on the Hawkwind website! DO so. Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Sun Oct 24 23:17:29 1999 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 23:17:29 EDT Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Set-list 10/23/99 Message-ID: seems to me that some voivod would fit nicely into that playlist; something from either 'phobos' or perhaps 'kronik', i think. any thoughts? anyone? rmayo From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Mon Oct 25 04:05:53 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:05:53 +0100 Subject: OFF: SETI@home Message-ID: The quickest one I've seen is some guy at Silicon Graphics who's averaging less than three hours!!! Eeek! Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Saturday, October 23, 1999 7:48 PM Subject: Re: OFF: SETI at home > Rich.wrote: > > >I can't believe that there are only nine of us on the In Search Of... group. > >Come on - join up! > > > >(Sadly, since my last job ended rather abruptly I no longer have the > >ludicrously fast G3 I was using to grind my way through results. But I'm > >catching you Randy!) > > uoop...you passed me. > I see Eric did a work unit in just over 8 hours dam that's fast.... > > > Randy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Mon Oct 25 04:16:17 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans (aka Gekke Henkie)) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:16:17 +0200 Subject: OFF: SETI@home In-Reply-To: <009e01bf1ebf$c2c3ec70$3d01a8c0@tpd.co.uk> Message-ID: > The quickest one I've seen is some guy at Silicon Graphics who's averaging > less than three hours!!! Eeek! I just checked the top 100 users, and the fastest is 1hr 54min!! I do not know what kind of a machine that's supposed to be. --BArt From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Mon Oct 25 04:18:39 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans (aka Gekke Henkie)) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:18:39 +0200 Subject: OFF: SETI@home In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > > The quickest one I've seen is some guy at Silicon Graphics who's averaging > > less than three hours!!! Eeek! > > I just checked the top 100 users, and the fastest is 1hr 54min!! oops! made a mistake it actually is 1hr 35min! > I do not know what kind of a machine that's supposed to be. > > --BArt From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Mon Oct 25 04:21:55 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:21:55 +0100 Subject: OFF: SETI@home Message-ID: Deep Thought? Earth? Orac? ZX80 simulator running on a Vic20? :-) Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bart Brugmans (aka Gekke Henkie) To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 9:18 AM Subject: Re: OFF: SETI at home > > > > > The quickest one I've seen is some guy at Silicon Graphics who's averaging > > > less than three hours!!! Eeek! > > > > I just checked the top 100 users, and the fastest is 1hr 54min!! > oops! made a mistake it actually is 1hr 35min! > > I do not know what kind of a machine that's supposed to be. > > > > --BArt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Oct 25 05:37:15 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:37:15 +0100 Subject: HW: New releases: Question for band In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Fri, 22 Oct 1999 20:35:25 +0200 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > >On the Greasy Truckers album there is of course Master of the Universe > >and Born To Go. Also included is "Jam" and "Improvisation". If "Jam" is > >the same track that follows the Greasy Truckers material on the Weird > >tapes then there's a mystery. I found this identical (though slowed > >down) to the "Seeing It As You Really Are" piece preceding Silver > >Machine on Roadhawks > > Maybe "Jam" or "Improvisation" is identical with MAKE WHAT YOU CAN, which > is from the same gig (13.02.1972) I'm really skeptical that the track is from that gig. It sounds much more a '73 track. > >The Glastonbury '89 set looks like the full set too. > Really 1989 ?? > I thought this CD is from the 1990 Glastonbury gig ( see the possible dates > below) I think you're right, it is '90. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Oct 25 05:38:57 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:38:57 +0100 Subject: HW: New releases: Question for band In-Reply-To: DASLUD@AOL.COM's message of Sat, 23 Oct 1999 04:45:47 EDT Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: > In a message dated 10/22/99 2:37:19 PM, bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE writes: > > << If "Jam" is > >the same track that follows the Greasy Truckers material on the Weird > >tapes then there's a mystery. I found this identical (though slowed > >down) to the "Seeing It As You Really Are" piece preceding Silver > >Machine on Roadhawks >> > ============= > no mystery. > the track on the weird tape, if my memory serves me well, is simply the end > of another hawkwind show. it's not slowed down so much as on this occasion > they're playing it slower. well, yeah, then it slowed down but > =nnnggghhh= the recording itself hasnt been slowed down. Well OK, if we're to believe that the various shouts and screams are precisely the same gig to gig. It's just that I don't believe that. Play the tracks against each other and you;ll see what I mean. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Oct 25 05:41:10 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:41:10 +0100 Subject: HW: Collectors Series queries In-Reply-To: Sonique's message of Sat, 23 Oct 1999 21:25:46 +1000 Message-ID: Sonique writes: > > So, who here is carrying the collector's series? Mr. Speigel? Paul? > > Henrik? Or do we have to go through the Doug P.-Mike H.-HW connection? > > I've been taking orders - my german supplier from who I buy most of my Euro > stock has had them listed for about three weeks ... supposed release date of > 24-10-99 (tommorrow - a Sunday?) Andy G at C&D will be stocking 'em all. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Oct 25 05:45:29 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:45:29 +0100 Subject: HW: Collectors Series : FAO Band In-Reply-To: Stephan Spiegel's message of Sat, 23 Oct 1999 14:07:20 -0500 Message-ID: Stephan Spiegel writes: > and ... > > > So, who here is carrying the collector's series? Mr. Speigel? Paul? > > Henrik? Or do we have to go through the Doug P.-Mike H.-HW connection? I guess that would be a simple way to do this if the band are happy to take a group US order for this stuff. Better still if the band would take payment in Dollars, but if Doug's OK with this then First Virtual could handle the currency thing. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Oct 25 05:52:32 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:52:32 +0100 Subject: OFF: SETI@home In-Reply-To: aka Gekke Henkie's message of Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:18:39 +0200 Message-ID: > > > The quickest one I've seen is some guy at Silicon Graphics who's averaging > > > less than three hours!!! Eeek! > > > > I just checked the top 100 users, and the fastest is 1hr 54min!! > oops! made a mistake it actually is 1hr 35min! > > I do not know what kind of a machine that's supposed to be. There was a rumour recently that the Israelis had built a quantum machine for code cracking (most doubt it, but it's just about possible with the sort of money spooks supply and a technical breakthrough or two). I guess that with such a machine, and the right algorithm, they could do this sort of stuff in microseconds. FoFP From MLee at ESPARTO.ORG Mon Oct 25 07:33:39 1999 From: MLee at ESPARTO.ORG (Mark Lee) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:33:39 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 22 Oct 1999 to 23 Oct 1999 In-Reply-To: <199910230901.FAA28050@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Oct 25 08:09:24 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 08:09:24 EDT Subject: HW: New releases: Question for band Message-ID: In a message dated 10/25/99 5:45:35 AM, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: << I'm really skeptical that the track is from that gig. It sounds much more a '73 track. >> ========== phewwwww i've got a witness! "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Oct 25 08:20:05 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 08:20:05 EDT Subject: HW: New releases: Question for band Message-ID: In a message dated 10/25/99 5:45:28 AM, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: << DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: > In a message dated 10/22/99 2:37:19 PM, bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE writes: > > << If "Jam" is > >the same track that follows the Greasy Truckers material on the Weird > >tapes then there's a mystery. I found this identical (though slowed > >down) to the "Seeing It As You Really Are" piece preceding Silver > >Machine on Roadhawks >> > ============= > no mystery. > the track on the weird tape, if my memory serves me well, is simply the end > of another hawkwind show. it's not slowed down so much as on this occasion > they're playing it slower. well, yeah, then it slowed down but > =nnnggghhh= the recording itself hasnt been slowed down. ========= [lb says:] in the meantime i've played that weird tape and concluded that "jam a/k/a seeing it" is in fact from 2/13/72. ======== Well OK, if we're to believe that the various shouts and screams are precisely the same gig to gig. It's just that I don't believe that. Play the tracks against each other and you;ll see what I mean. FoFP >> [lb says] a bit confused here...which tracks would i be playing against each other? the weird tape "seeing it" (a/k/a) and the ROADHAWKS "seeing it" (a/k/a) arent the same performance.... but we've all been there/done this now... "<>" From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Mon Oct 25 08:26:47 1999 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:26:47 +0200 Subject: AW: HW: New releases: Question for band Message-ID: >phewwwww >i've got a witness! :-))) Lets wait for the real witness who was there Hey Dave, where are you ? Bernhard From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Oct 25 08:33:43 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:33:43 +0100 Subject: HW: New releases: Question for band In-Reply-To: DASLUD@AOL.COM's message of Mon, 25 Oct 1999 08:20:05 EDT Message-ID: > [lb says:] in the meantime i've played that weird tape and concluded that > "jam a/k/a seeing it" is in fact from 2/13/72. > ======== > Well OK, if we're to believe that the various shouts and screams are > precisely the same gig to gig. It's just that I don't believe that. Play > the tracks against each other and you;ll see what I mean. > > FoFP > > >> > [lb says] a bit confused here...which tracks would i be playing against each > other? > the weird tape "seeing it" (a/k/a) and the ROADHAWKS "seeing it" (a/k/a) > arent the same performance.... That's what I don't believe. Everything is just too identical for them to be from different gigs. FoFP From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Oct 25 10:06:25 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 10:06:25 EDT Subject: HW: New releases: Question for band Message-ID: In a message dated 10/25/99 8:36:07 AM, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: << > >> > [lb says] a bit confused here...which tracks would i be playing against each > other? > the weird tape "seeing it" (a/k/a) and the ROADHAWKS "seeing it" (a/k/a) > arent the same performance.... ====== <> =============== "too identical"? not so, says this one. on the 2/13 version, king misses his cue when they go down to F and plays through it, causing at least minor confusion as they dribble to a halt on E. on the ROADHAWKS version, king catches the F cue and they all beat up on the E to end the proceedings. not to mention the wunnerful stereo drum mix on the ROADHAWKS version (check out the rolls in the moments before brock kicks in) when you're playing A-G, A-G, A-G ad infinitum there's only so many 'differences' one can impart, generally speaking, but close listening will reveal pointed differences twixt these two renditions, as i have described. where are all the BOC-L musos when i need 'em? "<>" From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon Oct 25 11:55:32 1999 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 11:55:32 -0400 Subject: OFF: SETI@home In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19991023134838.035273ec@pop.interaccess.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Oct 23, 1999 at 01:48:38PM -0500, Randy wrote: > Rich.wrote: > > >I can't believe that there are only nine of us on the In Search Of... group. > >Come on - join up! I'd been meaning to investigate this; thanks for goosing me into action. > I see Eric did a work unit in just over 8 hours dam that's fast.... Yah, I had the second-slowest computer in the office, so when they needed two more ... a shiny new P3-450 plopped onto my desk. Gotta like it! Nothing like some of those machines people were talking about, though. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / I'm going to change it, but it's going to take some time. - Linus Torvalds, on Windows's market leadership From henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Mon Oct 25 13:03:42 1999 From: henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 19:03:42 +0200 Subject: OFF: Dark Sun. Message-ID: Hi there! At last some news from Finland, land of great rockmusic and spirits. A few days ago I received Dark Suns?s new promo cd called "Electric dreams". It?s a two track cd with the the following tracklist: Electrified - 6.13 and Dream circuit - 9.17. What we got here is music that once again are taking a new and exciting direction. I have always thought that they have been something extra, from the first demo until their debut cd "Feed your mind" which was brilliant. It was a crossing between many styles without losing the love for space/psych music. This promo is a natural progress into a more developed style, performed by skillful musicians, although with their feets still in the space dust. This time with a touch of Tangerine dream and Hawkwind circa 1976. If they manage to do a follow up to "Feed your mind" with tracks like this they surely are heading to the stars. So please, any serious label, give them a contract soon or... There?s also rumours of a new tape from Juba?s Pseudo Sun later this year. And the new Alan Davey "Sci-fi delic" cd is relesed in November according to the label. Cheers Henrik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Mon Oct 25 13:34:45 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:34:45 -0500 Subject: HW: Purchase Advice Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: dhuggins To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Saturday, October 23, 1999 4:10 PM Subject: HW: Purchase Advice >Listees, > > I have been holding off on buying HW stuff the last year because I >couldn't find a source that "had it all" I am in the states, and prefer to >buy here. I am looking for the following on CD: > >-Quark, Strangeness, and Charm ( the original 70's recording, but not the >one with the Griffen Book) www.intplsrv.net/hawkman >-Distant Horizons >-In Your Area www.intplsrv.net/hawkman > >I prefer to pay by personal check, even if I have to wait for the check to >clear on the other end. No problem, if I like your face, I'll take the chance and send right away >Is there ever a possibility that HW 97 will ever be put out other than >through passport holders? I just don't like submitting my picture and >details to anyone, not just HW. Hey, the FBI and CIA know who you are.... unless you're Mike Coleman ! ! ! :)))) Hawkman From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Mon Oct 25 13:41:51 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:41:51 -0500 Subject: HW: Purchase Advice Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: si halley To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Saturday, October 23, 1999 4:28 PM Subject: Re: HW: Purchase Advice >----------------------------------------------- >The Alice Cooper Trivia File: http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/ >The Tubes Archive: >http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/7998/index.htm >Subject: HW: Purchase Advice > > >> Is there ever a possibility that HW 97 will ever be put out other than >> through passport holders? I just don't like submitting my picture and >> details to anyone, not just HW. > >I sent off a SAE for info on the passports ages ago. Never heard anything >back and had forgotten about it. Can someone remind me of the address so I >can try again. Hawkman Music has an excellent "Links and Information" page. Listing the top 10 Hawkwind Sites. There you'll find "Mission Control" which is of course run by "Baron Brock" ("Crash" as known by his closer friends) who is the Lead Pilot in this mission to the edge of time. Strap in and get a window seat, the going won't be easy, but we're going to make it. Hawkman out....bleeeeep From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Oct 24 16:45:12 1999 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:45:12 +0100 Subject: HW: Greasy Jam - Not Seeing It Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > On the Greasy Truckers album there is of course Master of the Universe > and Born To Go. Also included is "Jam" and "Improvisation". If "Jam" is > the same track that follows the Greasy Truckers material on the Weird > tapes then there's a mystery. I found this identical (though slowed > down) to the "Seeing It As You Really Are" piece preceding Silver > Machine on Roadhawks (and why hasn't Roadhawks ever made it to CD?). > This was allegedly the encore on the Space Ritual set rather than part > of Greasy Truckers. Maybe someone from the band who has either a very Actually I'm sure I've had this argument before and I'm sure that each time I rush over to my hi-fi, consumed with guilt and dismay that I've got it wrong, play everything through a dozen times forwards, backwards and sideways until the neighbours are about to rush up the stairs in indignation and each time I come up with exactly the same answer which is that I fundmentally disagree with you on this one!! The "Jam" bit on Wierd 106 is indeed very similar to the end section of "Seeing It As You Really Are" BUT (and this is the important bit) I am quite determined that it is NOT the same performance. Yes. The band probably did play the "Jam" section as the end bit of "Seeing It.." in fact they probably played the "Jam" section on every occasion they performed "Seeing It..." which includes the occasion when they performed "Seeing It" as the encore to Space Ritual. However the "Jam" on Wierd 106 is NOT the Space Ritual performance (listen to them in parallel - they are different! Quite apart from the speed difference - the Wierd tape "Jam" is so laid back it's almost falling off the stage compared with the Space Ritual bit which is far more aggressive. Also there's a whole chunk of electronic type stuff on the upper level of the Wierd track which isn't there at all on the Space Ritual). Given that this similar basic end section also appears in Text of Festival's "Seeing It" my guess is that the Wierd "Jam" has a date somewhere between its "Text of Festival" appearance and its "Space Ritual" appearance which would comfortably place it into the Greasy Truckers Roundhouse gig. So I am perfectly happy to accept that the cover inside my Wierd Tape says "Roundhouse" for "Jam" along with the other stuff. Yrs in particulars jill -- ====================================================================== Jill Strobridge or J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk ====================================================================== From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Oct 25 18:50:16 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:50:16 +0100 Subject: OFF: Atari Teenage Riot Message-ID: ...were immense fun tonight!!! Very loud white noise always goes down well here! ACTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do catch 'em! --Andy ObCeleb: Andy Cairns from Therapy? was right behind us, at least to start with ObPhoto: the one in _Piece of Work_ where Albert and Deborah have their Nethawks t-shirts on :) mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Oct 25 20:10:17 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 01:10:17 +0100 Subject: HW: covers In-Reply-To: <002701bf1008$fd944a40$056414ac@hal> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Oct 1999, PatrickC wrote: > BTW, can anyone tell me if the new `Stonhenge revisited' (I think that is > the name - it has most of the Stonhenge gig with Freefall, and other > Hawklord stuff thrown in) is worth getting? Forgive me if I repeat, but: did we settle what this thing was and wqhether it had extra tracks or not? Or is it the _Choose Your Masques Live_ double-CD? Yours, Jon From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Oct 25 20:38:08 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 01:38:08 +0100 Subject: OFF: CDZone In-Reply-To: <199910081339.NAA25158@firewall.peritech.co.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Oct 1999, Mark Lee wrote: > As an afterthough, it seems to me that a large percentage of the > members here have used web based companies for supply purposes, > how's about we draw up a top ten, five or whatever list of same and > share it out, I know people comment about this sort of thing > regularly so it shouldn't be too difficult ? Ages back this, I know, but my contribution is a top two, and a one-to-avoid (tm): 1. The Freak Emporium Always quick, never so far wrong, will take Switch over the phone, supplier to the stars. Also physically have the stock in the office, so you can ring and say "Have you got this in?" and get an answer rather than lay your money down for something that isn't there. 2. Cheap Or What CDs Mainstream store but with so huge a selection that they often have it anyway, and that includes US imports for those who can't easily get dollars. They, for example, carry Brain Surgeons stuff, the only UK retailer I know of to do so, although on that particular count they bely their otherwise accurate name. Only some physical stock, but will order strange stuff for you if you actually contact them. Stay in touch about progressing orders. Slower than Delerium but everyone is. BUT! Avoid: A. Blackmail Mail Order Hopelessly confused office staff and no physical stock. Also, the web-site is rarely updated so basically if you order off it there's about a 33% chance of them being able to get it and they're more expensive than COW anyway. My 2pworth. Yours, Jon From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Oct 25 20:39:17 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 01:39:17 +0100 Subject: OFF: CDZone Message-ID: Andy G at CD Services has to be the first choice for spacerock, Krautrock, and HW. Freak Emporium also good, in a league of their own for psych. Has anyone dealt with Ultima Thule? Dave -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Jarrett To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 26 October 1999 01:39 Subject: Re: OFF: CDZone >On Fri, 8 Oct 1999, Mark Lee wrote: > >> As an afterthough, it seems to me that a large percentage of the >> members here have used web based companies for supply purposes, >> how's about we draw up a top ten, five or whatever list of same and >> share it out, I know people comment about this sort of thing >> regularly so it shouldn't be too difficult ? > > Ages back this, I know, but my contribution is a top two, and a >one-to-avoid (tm): > >1. The Freak Emporium > > Always quick, never so far wrong, will take Switch over the phone, >supplier to the stars. Also physically have the stock in the office, so >you can ring and say "Have you got this in?" and get an answer rather than >lay your money down for something that isn't there. > >2. Cheap Or What CDs > > Mainstream store but with so huge a selection that they often have >it anyway, and that includes US imports for those who can't easily get >dollars. They, for example, carry Brain Surgeons stuff, the only UK >retailer I know of to do so, although on that particular count they >bely their otherwise accurate name. Only some physical stock, but will >order strange stuff for you if you actually contact them. Stay in touch >about progressing orders. Slower than Delerium but everyone is. > > BUT! Avoid: > >A. Blackmail Mail Order > > Hopelessly confused office staff and no physical stock. Also, the >web-site is rarely updated so basically if you order off it there's about >a 33% chance of them being able to get it and they're more expensive than >COW anyway. > > My 2pworth. Yours, > Jon > From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Oct 25 21:03:45 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 20:03:45 -0500 Subject: OFF: CDZone Message-ID: Dave said... >Andy G at CD Services has to be the first choice for spacerock, Krautrock, >and HW. Freak Emporium also good, in a league of their own for psych. Has >anyone dealt with Ultima Thule? No, they're not online. Too bad...I love their krautrock writings and such. I would recommend some of the other folks here who have always been kind and accomodating, like Paul and Henrik. Not the biggest selection in the world, but they quite often have what I want most. Then there's Richard Stockwell (www.cranium.co.uk) who's pretty complete in some areas, and pretty quick to ship. And not too steep on the shipping considering the distance. In the US, I'm getting to like www.cdquest.com, who often have things of interest for cheaper than anywhere else I see. Beyond that, I shop on a case-by-case basis. Laser's Edge is pretty good. And New Sonic Architecture. I try to keep everyone happy. :) Except my bank account. Keith H. (FAA) P.S. And some things you can get from 'us' now. Go to http://www.infinet.com/~jkranitz/space/space.html to see our fledgling mail order page. Will be expanded shortly I suspect. From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Mon Oct 25 21:46:15 1999 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (PatrickC) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 11:46:15 +1000 Subject: HW: covers Message-ID: Alright. After a bit of searching I found it - and feel rather silly. This is just the Griffin re-release of This is Hawkwind do not panic. (See URL) http://www.adawson.clara.net//this-is.html The one I saw is in the bottom right hand picture. Although the track listing I still maintain is incorrect. On the Griffin CD `Freefall' and one other track which eludes me is definitely on it. Maybe Griffin just did the usual thing and added two extra tracks for this release. Confusion cleared. -Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Jarrett To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Tuesday, 26 October 1999 10:15 Subject: Re: HW: covers >On Thu, 7 Oct 1999, PatrickC wrote: > >> BTW, can anyone tell me if the new `Stonhenge revisited' (I think that is >> the name - it has most of the Stonhenge gig with Freefall, and other >> Hawklord stuff thrown in) is worth getting? > > Forgive me if I repeat, but: did we settle what this thing was and >wqhether it had extra tracks or not? Or is it the _Choose Your Masques >Live_ double-CD? Yours, > Jon > From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Oct 25 23:01:47 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:01:47 -0400 Subject: OFF: SETI@home In-Reply-To: <199910250952.KAA26399@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, M Holmes wrote: => > > > The quickest one I've seen is some guy at Silicon Graphics who's averaging => > > > less than three hours!!! Eeek! => > > => > > I just checked the top 100 users, and the fastest is 1hr 54min!! => > oops! made a mistake it actually is 1hr 35min! => > > I do not know what kind of a machine that's supposed to be. => => There was a rumour recently that the Israelis had built a quantum => machine for code cracking (most doubt it, but it's just about possible => with the sort of money spooks supply and a technical breakthrough or => two). I guess that with such a machine, and the right algorithm, they => could do this sort of stuff in microseconds. Quantum computing is useful for certain applications, but is not a panacea. From my limited understanding (i.e., some researcher gave a talk about it here:), it is good for, e.g., problems in NP, or of exponential complexity---rendering them polynomial time solvable. Some quantum computing algorithms of polynomial time algorithms have been proposed, too, e.g., a linear search [O(N)] solvable in O(\sqrt{N}). But, even the massive parallelism hinted at by quantum computing doesn't necessarily mean "microsecond" solutions. The devil is in the details (and those scaling constants). Because the SETI at Home people keep their algorithm secret (to "prevent spoofing"), it should be fairly easy to determine the fastest hardware---just look at the (small-ish) set of available binaries, and find out the most humongous hardware that can run it (e.g., big SGI, AlphaServer, etc.) Do they have a parallelised version of the client? We have an IBM SP2 supercomputer here at VT... >;-) Cheers, Paul. NP: Fairport Convention, _Unhalfbricking_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I don't live today; maybe tomorrow..." --- James Marshall Hendrix From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Oct 26 00:46:06 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 00:46:06 EDT Subject: HW: Greasy Jam - Eyesight To The Blind Message-ID: In a message dated 10/25/99 1:54:39 PM, jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: << <> <> ===== you mean 'NOT the same performance as what appears on ROADHAWKS'? aye, lassie. ====== <> ====== i dont know the reason it's entitled 'jam' on the Weird tape =laziness?=, but there's no difference at all in intent twixt these two, by any other name. many shows in this era concluded in this manner, and in both cases it's the show's conclusion. i wrote about their 'encore medley' a few days ago; it's very possible that what is called 'jam', which fades in, is the second half of 'you shouldnt do that' on this occasion, just as it was on ROADHAWKS and many other live tapes i have. ====== <> ======= reasons for their 'laid backness' could include how wasted they might be, and simon king playing ollis's kit (it DOES make a difference) and not being as integrated into the band as he will be 10 months hence for 'space ritual'. ======= <> ====== and comfortably it resides, luv. ^_~ ====== <> ====== peace in the valley! ===== <> == so didja get those roses? "<>" From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Oct 26 09:10:44 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 14:10:44 +0100 Subject: HW: covers In-Reply-To: <001c01bf1f53$e77ae200$056414ac@hal> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, PatrickC wrote: > The one I saw is in the bottom right hand picture. Although the track > listing I still maintain is incorrect. On the Griffin CD `Freefall' and one > other track which eludes me is definitely on it. Maybe Griffin just did the > usual thing and added two extra tracks for this release. This would be some `Free Fall' that we already know and love, I take it, like the Sonic Assassins version? Or has Griffin added some more tracks from the same performances? Anyone got this beast? Yours, Jon From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Tue Oct 26 10:20:23 1999 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (PatrickC) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 00:20:23 +1000 Subject: HW: covers Message-ID: Err. which Sonic Assasins version (Forgive my backward Australian non-codex memory) the only version I have is on the Hawklords album I'll write the details down tommorow -Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Jarrett To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Tuesday, 26 October 1999 11:18 Subject: Re: HW: covers >On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, PatrickC wrote: > >> The one I saw is in the bottom right hand picture. Although the track >> listing I still maintain is incorrect. On the Griffin CD `Freefall' and one >> other track which eludes me is definitely on it. Maybe Griffin just did the >> usual thing and added two extra tracks for this release. > > This would be some `Free Fall' that we already know and love, I >take it, like the Sonic Assassins version? Or has Griffin added some more >tracks from the same performances? Anyone got this beast? Yours, > Jon > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Oct 26 10:58:43 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:58:43 +0100 Subject: HW: covers In-Reply-To: PatrickC's message of Wed, 27 Oct 1999 00:20:23 +1000 Message-ID: PatrickC writes: > >> The one I saw is in the bottom right hand picture. Although the > >> track listing I still maintain is incorrect. On the Griffin CD > >> `Freefall' and one other track which eludes me is definitely on it. > >> Maybe Griffin just did the usual thing and added two extra tracks > >> for this release. > > This would be some `Free Fall' that we already know and love, > >take it, like the Sonic Assassins version? Or has Griffin added some > >more tracks from the same performances? Anyone got this beast? Yours, > Err. which Sonic Assasins version (Forgive my backward Australian > non-codex memory) the only version I have is on the Hawklords album Free Fall L 1 Weird 101 - Sonic Assasins/ Dave Brock L 1 Sonic Assassins 12" EP L 1 Victoria double album L 1 Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-1985 L 1 Golden Void 1969 -79 CD 2 Hawklords L 3 Weird 104 - Hawklords/Hawkwind Live 1978 FoFP From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Tue Oct 26 14:50:51 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 20:50:51 +0200 Subject: HW: New releases: Question for band Message-ID: Hi Larry, hello folks At 1st I'd like to know how long your version of MAKE WHAT YOU CAN (MWYC) is ? The version I have is about 7 minutes long. I know that there exist a much shorter version. So I hope we are talking about this "full version" All track from the 1st side of the Weird 106 tape are from the Roundhouse gig (13.02.72). The JAM is nothing else than a part from the complete BORN TO GO track which appears on the Weird tape cutted. You can find the "full" version of BORN TO GO on the Greasy Truckers Party LP. The following tracks from The Roundhouse (13.02.72) gig are known: - Master Of The Universe (Greasy Truckers Party LP) - Born To Go (Greasy Truckers Party LP) - Make What You Can (Weird tape 106) - Silver Machine (Glastonbury Fayre LP) - Welcome (Glastonbury Fayre LP) I am still very sure that MWYC and SILVER MACHINE (from Roundhouse) are from the very same gig. Just play the end of the GLASTONBURY FAYRE SilverMachine-version after the MWYC 7 minutes version from the WEIR tape and you'll notice that the end of MWYC and the beginning of SM are ABSOLUTE identical. And yes, the drum playing is the same, the style is the same We are still waiting for Dave.... Bernhard From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Oct 26 16:09:57 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 16:09:57 EDT Subject: HW: New releases: Question for band Message-ID: hi bernhard, et al um, no. still. this is starting to make me uneasy. i carefully explained why that WEIRD 106 "make what you can" is not, repeat not, from the 2/13/72 roundhouse gig, IMO. since you've blown that all away, i'm stunned that you still cant hear the difference. it's right there. i dont wanna keep going back and forth on this. "<>" From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Tue Oct 26 16:40:01 1999 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 21:40:01 +0100 Subject: HW: New releases: Question for band In-Reply-To: <20a098af.2545bde1@aol.com> Message-ID: At 15:06 25/10/99 , DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: >where are all the BOC-L musos when i need 'em? I dunno, but let me cheer you on from the sidelines. I love seeing music discussed in detail. Dave. Dave Berry, www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~daveb From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Tue Oct 26 16:40:51 1999 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 21:40:51 +0100 Subject: HW: Collectors Series queries In-Reply-To: <199910250941.KAA22251@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: What happened to the Live '76 CD that was promised a while back? Is that part of this series? Dave. Dave Berry, www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~daveb From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Oct 26 21:04:52 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 18:04:52 -0700 Subject: HW: New releases: Question for band Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Oct 1999 21:40:01 +0100, Dave Berry wrote: >At 15:06 25/10/99 , DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: >>where are all the BOC-L musos when i need 'em? > >I dunno, but let me cheer you on from the sidelines. I love seeing music discussed in detail. I'm loving the discussion, too; wish I had time to join in (work is hell this week), but unfortunately I don't own a copy of Weird 106 with "Make What You Can" on it anyway. Just makes me all the more eager for the 'Greasy Truckers Complete' CD to arrive! -Doug ceres at sirius.com From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Tue Oct 26 22:14:52 1999 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 22:14:52 EDT Subject: an observation from a rookie Message-ID: hello, all y'all, i always thought that this boc-hawkwind combo was skinny; sci-fi lyrics? is that it? a rather tenuous thread to hang a newsgroup on, yes? i signed up because i love both bands, but i haven't seen a boc-related posting since my addition to the list! i've enjoyed each and every posting i've received and am looking for my 'in' to join in the fray, but: come on boc'ers! where are ye lads! perhaps re-naming the group is a valid move after all!?! heck, i'd join both. rmayo From hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU Tue Oct 26 22:54:37 1999 From: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU (Thomas Rickert) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 21:54:37 -0500 Subject: spacerock/psych webradio Message-ID: Does anyone know any good space rock/psychedelia internet radio sites? Besides the "Space Does Not Care" show, that is. I'm interested in good variety, everything from old Hawkwind and krautrock on up to Anubian Lights/Farflung, Mazinga Phazer, Earthling, Natas, and etc. Thanks, Thomas From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Wed Oct 27 00:18:04 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:18:04 -0500 Subject: an observation from a rookie In-Reply-To: <0.d0842193.2547ba1c@aol.com> Message-ID: At 10:14 PM 10/26/99 EDT, you wrote: >hello, all y'all, >i always thought that this boc-hawkwind combo was skinny; sci-fi lyrics? is >that it? a rather tenuous thread to hang a newsgroup on, yes? i signed up >because i love both bands, but i haven't seen a boc-related posting since my >addition to the list! You want to know why? here's some reasons: 1. BOC, in its present incarnation, is too damn laid back in its work ethic. It's hard to talk about Secret Treaties like its the best thing since sliced bed all the time when it's been out longer than I've trod the earth. Even the Mobilife Fidelity 2fer deserved such lukewarm treatment. It's been heard already. It just sounded better this time round. (twirl your sarcastic pointing finger in the air here) 2. BOC discussion has been notable for the horrible realization that these claims will always be made: 1. It's not like it was in 1975 2. The list has already (attempted?) to make explicit the underpinnings of Imaginos 3. Eric can/can't play the guitar. And he loses his voice. 4. Buck plays the same way since 1976.... which the more i think about it, the worse it sounds. 5. Every time something NEW attempts to exist in their discography that's not a Best of, it gets buired through some sad mechanism. 6. You can only say drop steve schenck so many times before your voice gets hoarse. 7. No one drums like Albert and Danny Miranda is a good bassist. 8. Live shows, though more prevalent than Hawkwind, are tarred and feathered for being stale. For goodness sakes they didn't even try to do the bulk of Heaven Forbid when it was a new disc. 9. Mud of some kind will be slung between the AOl BOC board fans and those who are on BOC-L. Personally, I think that BOCL does the following against BOC in a fundamental way: the lopsidedness in product that is painfully evident will always result in more Hawkwind talk. For a band of former hippies they really know how to light fire under their asses. That's a good thing too. 10. Lyrics are not what they were. 11. UNlike the hawkwind webpage, the BOCFanClub page is painfully slow in putting new poop up there to appease appetites. 12. Despite the fact that BOC's lineup has been through phases over time, one cannot call them by any stretch as "creative changes".. Fer example, BOC's loss of Albert didn't mirror the shift in the return of Calvert/loss of Nik in the cool music production contest. 13. Unless an act of god happens, I doubt any of this will change. 14. There's no cornucopia of live performances we can quibble about what was played where and with whom and where did it appear in teh legit. releases like Hawkwind has. To date, the closest we come is the 5 song bootleg rom Rochester, Stalk Foreest group which is just session work so no rocket science needing divination there, and The Thing. Whooopdee**&%^in' doo. 15. We all know these things as part of the FAQ we have on the BOC dialogue in our minds. So no point in talking bout them. Can you tell I'm miffed? Thank god for the Brain Surgeons. At least with them you know that theres new work afoot in between appearances in the light of stage and CD stores. BOC is dead long live BOC From hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU Tue Oct 26 22:58:27 1999 From: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU (Thomas Rickert) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 21:58:27 -0500 Subject: an observation/BOC tribute? Message-ID: I was thinking the other day that BOC is probably the band most in need of a good tribute CD. Considering how awful most of them are, maybe that is a scary idea. But there are a few good ones out there (Cleopatra did some good ones like for Pink Floyd, and Joy Division's and Black Sabbath's tribute CDs have plenty of good stuff on them, especially JD's...). With the right bands, it could be quite stellar, and would give some overdue credit where it seems to me some credit is due. --Thomas "Robert C. Mayo" wrote: > hello, all y'all, > i always thought that this boc-hawkwind combo was skinny; sci-fi lyrics? is > that it? a rather tenuous thread to hang a newsgroup on, yes? i signed up > because i love both bands, but i haven't seen a boc-related posting since my > addition to the list! > i've enjoyed each and every posting i've received and am looking for my 'in' > to join in the fray, but: come on boc'ers! where are ye lads! perhaps > re-naming the group is a valid move after all!?! heck, i'd join both. > rmayo From bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET Tue Oct 26 22:53:50 1999 From: bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 22:53:50 -0400 Subject: BOC: an observation/BOC tribute? In-Reply-To: <38166A53.FD7C7837@utarlg.uta.edu> Message-ID: Hey Thomas, Good idea. It's interesting that a lot of bands don't list BOC as an influence, but a tribute CD would bring out them out of the woodwork. It would be interesting to see what kinds of artists would be represented. Many different styles I would suspect. Metallica would be on it for sure. If the lable could afford them! Brian >I was thinking the other day that BOC is probably the band most in need of a >good tribute CD. Considering how awful most of them are, maybe that is a scary >idea. But there are a few good ones out there (Cleopatra did some good ones >like >for Pink Floyd, and Joy Division's and Black Sabbath's tribute CDs have plenty >of good stuff on them, especially JD's...). With the right bands, it could be >quite stellar, and would give some overdue credit where it seems to me some >credit is due. > >--Thomas From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Tue Oct 26 23:23:33 1999 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:23:33 EDT Subject: wow..... Message-ID: well...now i know why (i guess). my point was: some people here have chosen sides; hopefully both sides can be passionate about their bands and understand that neither side is 'right/wrong'. i hope i'll not be reading this 'my band is better than your band' type-stuff very often. is this combination under one tent just not workable? this list is about what these bands have in common, and it's more than merely lyrics; not about why one is better than the other (what the %$#@ does that mean, anyway?). rmayo From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Wed Oct 27 01:18:29 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 00:18:29 -0500 Subject: wow..... In-Reply-To: <0.c5969d1c.2547ca35@aol.com> Message-ID: At 11:23 PM 10/26/99 EDT, you wrote: >well...now i know why (i guess). my point was: some people here have chosen >sides; hopefully both sides can be passionate about their bands and >understand that neither side is 'right/wrong'. i hope i'll not be reading >this 'my band is better than your band' type-stuff very often. It isnt/wasnt a matter of who is better cuz its hooey to make such a qualification. Simply the sheer quantity of material by/about the respective bands tilts things in one direction or the other.Easier to talk when theres more to talk about in contemporary days. Ejection Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Oct 27 00:15:06 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 00:15:06 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: wow..... In-Reply-To: <0.c5969d1c.2547ca35@aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Oct 1999, Robert C. Mayo wrote: => well...now i know why (i guess). my point was: some people here have chosen => sides; hopefully both sides can be passionate about their bands and => understand that neither side is 'right/wrong'. i hope i'll not be reading => this 'my band is better than your band' type-stuff very often. is this => combination under one tent just not workable? You'd be surprised how workable the combination is. In fact, for quite a few people, this is the one list that they just seem to stick with for some reason. I guess it's doing something right. => this list is about what these bands have in common, and it's more than merely => lyrics; not about why one is better than the other (what the %$#@ does that => mean, anyway?). Actually, the *real* raison d'etre behind this list is far too crass to see the light of day. But inquiring posts such as yours sometimes force its origins to be revealed. :-) Prepare to be dismayed... The reason behind the Hawkwind/BOC combo of this list lies in the fact that the orginal list founder, Steve Swann, wanted an e-mail list away from the noise of Usenet where he could discuss two of his favourite bands: Hawkwind and BOC. It got called "BOC-L" because, at that time, BITNET LISTSERV software only allowed up to 8 characters for e-mail mailing lists (the length of an IBM VM/CMS user id, right??). The name stuck. The "similar lyrical themes, etc." bit was fudged up by him afterwards as a convenient cover story. All this goes to explain the unofficial motto of this list: "Blame Steve Swann!" (It was discovered that, like the "six degrees of separation" theory, ultimately Steve Swann is to blame for anything.;) I told you you'd be dismayed. :-) Anyway, quite a few of the regular posters to this list are old-timers, and so "been there, discussed that" applies so much it's not funny any more to those people. It takes a seismic event in the BOC world to get them excited. Actually, in all my time on this list, I can't remember any BOC vs. Hawkwind (or vice versa) "my band is better than yours" bashing. The only "bashing" that goes on (if you can call it that), is the general lament that BOC generally hasn't done much in the last couple of years in the way of new material and/or releases, unlike Hawkwind. That's not to say that fans of each band don't give their respective bands a hard time. Cheers, Paul. NP: Mekong Delta, _Dances of Death_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I don't live today; maybe tomorrow..." --- James Marshall Hendrix From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Wed Oct 27 00:21:06 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 04:21:06 +0000 Subject: an observation/BOC tribute? Message-ID: > I was thinking the other day that BOC is probably the band most in need of a > good tribute CD. That would be a tough call for me -- never been interested in buying a tribute album before, but a BOC might be interested, as long as SONY doesn't get to pick the track listing. On a somewhat related note, I finally got around to hearing Metallica's version of "Astronomy", and I thought it was great! Don't get me wrong, I have never been anywhere near being a Metallica fan, never bought anything by them, etc. But I really felt they did it with a lot of love, admiration and respect, and it's hard to muck it up when you've got those things. Ditto for their versions of "Whiskey in the Jar" and "Tuesday's Gone". In the liner notes, it says that bass player Jason Newstead saw BOC live more than any other band in the mid-70s, mainly because they TOURED more than any other band. -- Nick From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Oct 27 05:27:49 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 05:27:49 EDT Subject: an observation from a rookie Message-ID: In a message dated 10/26/99 10:41:33 PM, js3619 at WIZVAX.NET writes: << sliced bed >> ====== how freudian of you ^_~ says he who currently must hit the key for the letter twixt 'c' and 'e' quite a few times before the letter shows up onscreen... "<>" From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Wed Oct 27 05:37:26 1999 From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:37:26 +0200 Subject: spacerock/psych webradio Message-ID: hi, i'm new to this list ...just been sittin' on the fence, checking it out (we are watching in on you now :) anyway i can recommend a great (imo) web radio broadcast service, namely DrugMusicWebast.... goto: http://members.aol.com/losafa/Sounds.htm usually lotsa old 'wind and even some newer stuff ;) oh, and a question: does anyone know the reason why the "space is deep" version on "british tribal music" has a different mix than any version anywhere else (that i can remember)? ...the sax is way more up front etc..imho the definitie version.... where/what was this version/mix meant for, since i can only find it on BTM? best, ketil svendsen, norway > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: spacerock/psych webradio > Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 21:54:37 -0500 > From: Thomas Rickert > > Does anyone know any good space rock/psychedelia internet radio sites? Besides > the "Space Does Not Care" show, that is. I'm interested in good variety, > everything from old Hawkwind and krautrock on up to Anubian Lights/Farflung, > Mazinga Phazer, Earthling, Natas, and etc. > > Thanks, > Thomas > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Oct 27 06:17:36 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:17:36 +0100 Subject: an observation/BOC tribute? In-Reply-To: <38166A53.FD7C7837@utarlg.uta.edu> Message-ID: In article <38166A53.FD7C7837 at utarlg.uta.edu>, Thomas Rickert writes >(Cleopatra did some good ones like >for Pink Floyd, and Joy Division's and Black Sabbath's tribute CDs have plenty >of good stuff on them, especially JD's...). FWIW the Skip Spence "More Oar" tribute with Tom Waits, Robert Plant, Beck, Mudhoney, Flying Saucer Attack, Robyn Hitchcock and loads more is outstanding. Absolutely Brilliant. -- Jon From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Oct 27 07:57:00 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 07:57:00 EDT Subject: spacerock/psych webradio Message-ID: In a message dated 10/27/99 5:49:17 AM, ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO writes: << oh, and a question: does anyone know the reason why the "space is deep" version on "british tribal music" has a different mix than any version anywhere else (that i can remember)? ...the sax is way more up front etc..imho the definite version.... where/what was this version/mix meant for, since i can only find it on BTM? >> =============== well, on this one i'm winging it all the way, as i dont own BTM... but on that castle 'the hawkwind collection' double set, purchased by me a decade or so ago, there's a live version of "space is deep" which sounds much like, but IS NOT, the same one appearing on "a space ritual". my conjecture was that it came from the clump of material which later appeared on "ridicule/space ritual 2". as turner was involved in that material seeing the light of day, perhaps that would xplain the sax being up in the mix. but unlike certain recent brouhaha's, i'm guessing all the way... "<>" From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Oct 27 08:20:42 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 08:20:42 EDT Subject: an observation from a rookie In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19991026231804.0068df38@mail1.wizvax.net> Message-ID: > From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision > 4. Buck plays the same way since 1976.... which the more i think about > it, the worse it sounds. Hate to argue with the usually inspired Jason, but here, you're dead wrong. Buck's playing is currently at an all-time high, esp. in the live shows. In the old days, BD could be pretty hit-or-miss at concerts. He might fluff certain parts of a song only to redeem [sic] himself with a great solo. Judging by what I've seen at concerts the last few years, BD is positively inspired in his playing throughout the shows. Only criticism I can muster being that sometimes his stage volume is too low, so that you can actually hear him better if you're further back in the crowd... > 5. Every time something NEW attempts to exist in their discography that's > not a Best of, it gets buired through some sad mechanism. Can't agree with this either. I'm under the impression that HF has sold decently well--better than expected. I think they're on a label that's good for them, and I suspect that the relative inactivity of the band of late might suggest that they're spending some time in the studio. I do know they have the green light from CMC to make another album... > 6. You can only say drop steve schenck so many times before your voice > gets hoarse. NO argument here... > 7. No one drums like Albert and Danny Miranda is a good bassist. Given Albert is sui generis. What's your point re Danny? > 8. Live shows, though more prevalent than Hawkwind, are tarred and > feathered for being stale. For goodness sakes they didn't even try to do > the bulk of Heaven Forbid when it was a new disc. That's hardly unusual. Most 'nostalgia' bands only toss in a small amount of new material. In fact few 'current' bands play a lot of new stuff at shows. When a band has so many albums in their catalog, they realise that fans want to hear a lot of older stuff... > Can you tell I'm miffed? Thank god for the Brain Surgeons. At least with > them you know that theres new work afoot in between appearances in the > light of stage and CD stores. > Hmm...When was the last tBS gig? theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Oct 27 08:23:57 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 08:23:57 EDT Subject: OFF: Re: wow..... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Paul Mather > > You'd be surprised how workable the combination is. In fact, for > quite a few people, this is the one list that they just seem to stick > with for some reason. I guess it's doing something right. > You are so right! I have belonged to many music lists, but have unsubscribed from most of them. BOC-L is one that I keep running even when I'm on vacation. And this despite the paucity of BOC postings. Though not a big HW fan, I really dig the posts from HW fans... theo From senator at UGCS.CALTECH.EDU Wed Oct 27 08:42:55 1999 From: senator at UGCS.CALTECH.EDU (Bill Bradley) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 05:42:55 -0700 Subject: an observation from a rookie In-Reply-To: <0.d0842193.2547ba1c@aol.com> from "Robert C. Mayo" at "Oct 26, 1999 10:14:52 pm" Message-ID: > i always thought that this boc-hawkwind combo was skinny; sci-fi lyrics? is > that it? a rather tenuous thread to hang a newsgroup on, yes? i signed up > because i love both bands, but i haven't seen a boc-related posting since my > addition to the list! Actually it was originally an "Imaginative Rock" group covering BOC/HW/Black Sabbath, Prog Rock, etc (back in the late 80s when you could have a board topic like that and still get <30 messages a day). It just got narrowed to the two main groups based on the list members' (and Steve Swann's) preferences. > i've enjoyed each and every posting i've received and am looking for my 'in' > to join in the fray, but: come on boc'ers! where are ye lads! perhaps > re-naming the group is a valid move after all!?! heck, i'd join both. > rmayo Welcome aboard! Bill (list member since '89...hard to beleive it's ten years...) From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Wed Oct 27 09:21:54 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans (aka Gekke Henkie)) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 15:21:54 +0200 Subject: an observation from a rookie In-Reply-To: <19991027124255.E96993F01A@mark.ugcs.caltech.edu> Message-ID: Op 27 Oct 99, om 5:42, Bill Bradley schreef: > > Bill (list member since '89...hard to beleive it's ten years...) Is this list that old...I bought my first C64 around that time. I only joined the list one year ago, and had never heard from BOC before. Only HW had my interest. Bought some BOC records recently, and have to say they are pretty enjoyable. --BArt From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Wed Oct 27 09:22:46 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:22:46 -0400 Subject: BOC: an observation/BOC tribute? Message-ID: > i've enjoyed each and every posting i've received and am looking for my 'in' > to join in the fray, but: come on boc'ers! where are ye lads! Well, feel free to start something. Yes, lots of topics have been hashed and re-hashed several times, but with a little prodding, you can still wake up the sleeping BOC fans. But, partly because of what Jason says below (some of which I will comment on - perhaps a topic in itself?), the "BOC" side of the house here isn't likely to just start up a BOC-related discussion. But, start one yourself, and I'm sure we'll chime in. It may diverge (as the recent BOC thread that started talking lyrics and ended up talking the Blues and Led Zepplin's liberal borrowing of that style). > 1. BOC, in its present incarnation, is too damn laid back in its work ethic. Definitely a point hashed many times here - if BOC fans could kidnap Steve Schenck and take over the management of this band, things might be different (then again, maybe the band wouldn't hold together under our demands). > It's hard to talk about Secret Treaties like its the best thing since > sliced bed all the time when it's been out longer than I've trod the > earth. Well, guess I'm a bit older than Jason - not that I was a BOC fan when Secret Treaties came out...and it may have been the best thing since sliced "bread" (I assume is what Jason was trying to say), which is one reason why no other BOC album will probably be regarded as highly - the standard was set 25 years ago. > Even the Mobilife Fidelity 2fer deserved such lukewarm treatment. It's > been heard already. It just sounded better this time round. (twirl your > sarcastic pointing finger in the air here) Yeah, after you got by the inevitable comments of the improved sound quality and maybe the added liner notes...well, the songs have been discussed and analyzed already. On the contrary, Heaven Forbid did get a fair amount of discussion going - and would have had much more if the album 1) hadn't been so damn long in getting to us and 2) didn't contain so many songs that most fans were already familiar with (since BOC had been doing several of them live for years). > > 2. BOC discussion has been notable for the horrible realization that these > claims will always be made: > 1. It's not like it was in 1975 Good thing - the Brain Surgeons didn't exist then... ;-) > 2. The list has already (attempted?) to make explicit the underpinnings > of Imaginos Yes, although it has been awhile since that topic came around. > 3. Eric can/can't play the guitar. And he loses his voice. Eric can play guitar better than me, although that might not be saying to much. His voice, however, has improved tremendously from what it was 2 years ago when there was much speculation that he might not be able to fill his role in BOC. He's back to singing as well as he did 5 or 6 years ago - not quite at the level as the 70s and 80s, but well enough to once again handle the majority of the lead vocals live. > 4. Buck plays the same way since 1976.... which the more i think about > it, the worse it sounds. I know this was Albert's impression, but I disagree. His playing appears to have expanded tremendously - most BOC fans will tell you that the guy just keeps improving with age, and that on some nights the result is almost beyond comprehension. > 5. Every time something NEW attempts to exist in their discography that's > not a Best of, it gets buired through some sad mechanism. Or at least delayed. I have to admit to being estatic when Heaven Forbid finally came out. Hopefully we won't have to wait as long for the next BOC release (which CMC has presumably agreed to release - so at least the issue of a recording contract may be less in doubt this time around). The other big hope, a compilation of live recordings by King Biscuit, is still in limbo. Then again, even the next "Best Of" BOC release has been delayed nearly a year from it's original date (from May of '99 to February of '00) by Sony - not that the diehards need to hold their breath for that one anyway. > 6. You can only say drop steve schenck so many times before your voice > gets hoarse. And I already did earlier, so I guess I made your point. > 7. No one drums like Albert and Danny Miranda is a good bassist. There has been a fair discussion on OTHER BOC online forums regarding comparisons of the Bouchards to the current BOC rhythm section. I am not as qualified to judge drummers (although it is clear that Albert has that certain something that other drummers don't -- whether Albert would be better suited to drum with the current incarnation of BOC is debatable, but moot), it is clear that Danny Miranda and Joe Bouchard are very different bassists. To say Danny is "better" because of his obvious skill with the instrument, more modern sound (well, it *IS* the 90s), and variations of Joe's original lines is perhaps not fair to the man that built the foundation upon which Danny now works for the most part -- they are both great, and I draw much inspiration from the both of them. > 8. Live shows, though more prevalent than Hawkwind, are tarred and > feathered for being stale. For goodness sakes they didn't even try to do > the bulk of Heaven Forbid when it was a new disc. Yes, in this regard the band is apparently lazy. While they state in interviews that they are just giving the general public what it wants, I don't quite buy it. On the other hand, setlists over the past year or so (partly no doubt as Eric's voice returned to form), they have been a little more adventurous. As for not playing the bulk of Heaven Forbid, I agree that this was a mistake - in fact, they played more of Heaven Forbid in 1992-1995 than they did in 1998-1999. > 9. Mud of some kind will be slung between the AOl BOC board fans and those > who are on BOC-L. Well, that for the most part has been long gone. There will always be some who will prefer one forum over the other, both for the overall discussion content, and the personalities of the forum participants. By the way, the AOL BOC board over the past 9 months or more has been nearly devoide of BOC talk as well -- it has become much more of a "chat" room with mostly off-topic posts. Perhaps for some of the same reasons discussed here, but I think the biggest reason is that all the main topics over there have been discussed ad infinitum over there too. > 10. Lyrics are not what they were. Well, this makes for good discussion - again, however, anything short of Secret Treaties - Part II will fail to measure up to the standard set back in '74. But almost any of John Shirley's lyrics are better than "Beat 'em Up" or "Make Rock Not War", right? > 11. UNlike the hawkwind webpage, the BOCFanClub page is painfully slow in > putting new poop up there to appease appetites. Have you been there lately? Miss Melne has done some incredible things over the past 4 or so months. > 15. We all know these things as part of the FAQ we have on the BOC dialogue > in our minds. So no point in talking bout them. Er, sorry - my intent wasn't to squash discussion... > > Can you tell I'm miffed? Thank god for the Brain Surgeons. At least with > them you know that theres new work afoot in between appearances in the > light of stage and CD stores. O.K., so how 'bout some more discussion on them? How many folks here have Piece of Work? Hell, how many folks here have ANY tBS albums? Let's talk... > I was thinking the other day that BOC is probably the band most in need of a > good tribute CD. Check the latest version of the FAQ for info on a "BOC tribute" of sorts - it is not a proper tribute in the usual sense (which I think would be a cool idea - even if they were just able to release a CD of already existing BOC covers, like Metallica's "Astronomy" -- I've heard a few and some are kinda cool). But, the acoustic trio "Too Hip For the Room" has released a CD entitled "Don't Fear the Remake", which I haven't heard yet, but is basically all BOC covers. Buck, Eric, Danny Miranda, as well as a few BOC friends and relations also contribute to the project. The FAQ has a mailing address, but I know the email address off the top of my head if you want more info: Zurna at aol.com > Considering how awful most of them are, maybe that is a scary > idea. If one was done, I would prefer it if it was not done by mostly obscure artists that no one has ever heard of. I think the Black Sabbath tribute done a few years ago ("Nativity in Black") was a very cool album (I even got a special promotional issue of this which includes 2 CDs - the second one is the tribute album, and the first one is the original Black Sabbath recordings of the songs on the tribute album - very cool). > > That would be a tough call for me -- never been interested in buying > a tribute album before, but a BOC might be interested, as long as > SONY doesn't get to pick the track listing. Well, BOC fans got to vote on the tracks for the upcoming Sony BOC compilation - but because the "ground rules" were basically what the fans thought the "most popular" BOC songs were, we aren't going to get the more obscure tunes or rare recordings that many diehard fans would prefer. > > On a somewhat related note, I finally got around to hearing > Metallica's version of "Astronomy", and I thought it was great! Don't > get me wrong, I have never been anywhere near being a Metallica fan, It's o.k. to like Metallica, Albert does... I thought Metallica did a decent job on "Astronomy", but it was painfully obvious that they don't have a lead guitarist like Buck. John -- John A. Swartz - The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA - jswartz at mitre.org From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Oct 27 09:34:10 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:34:10 +0100 Subject: BOC: an observation/BOC tribute? Message-ID: ----- > Check the latest version of the FAQ for info on a "BOC tribute" of sorts > - it is not a proper tribute in the usual sense (which I think would be > a cool idea - even if they were just able to release a CD of already > existing BOC covers, like Metallica's "Astronomy" -- I've heard a few > and some are kinda cool). But, the acoustic trio "Too Hip For the Room" > has released a CD entitled "Don't Fear the Remake", which I haven't > heard yet, but is basically all BOC covers. Buck, Eric, Danny Miranda, > as well as a few BOC friends and relations also contribute to the > project. The FAQ has a mailing address, but I know the email address > off the top of my head if you want more info: > > Zurna at aol.com > > > > Considering how awful most of them are, maybe that is a scary > > idea. > > If one was done, I would prefer it if it was not done by mostly obscure > artists that no one has ever heard of. I think the Black Sabbath > tribute done a few years ago ("Nativity in Black") was a very cool album > (I even got a special promotional issue of this which includes 2 CDs - > the second one is the tribute album, and the first one is the original > Black Sabbath recordings of the songs on the tribute album - very cool). So long as it has The Bridewell Taxis version, the Mutton Birds version, and the Camper Van Beethoven version of ...Reaper on it, I'll buy it. :-) Cheers, R. (There was someone who I promised to send the Bridewell Taxis version to, about four years ago, and I never did. Sorry. I couldn't find the tape. And I still can't. I *do* look occasionally..!) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Oct 27 10:10:08 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 15:10:08 +0100 Subject: BRAIN: Piece of Work In-Reply-To: <3816FCA2.B8D32702@mitre.org> Message-ID: > O.K., so how 'bout some more discussion on them? How many folks here > have Piece of Work? Hell, how many folks here have ANY tBS albums? > Let's talk... Yep, arrived Monday, but didn't have much of a chance to play it till yesterday evening. I like it! - more varied and, I think, catchier than anyhting since _Eponymous_. Perhaps because it is varied, and because it's a double so there's quite a lot to take in, it's hard come up with pithy comments. But I've already found myself humming "Alpha and Omega" and "Swamp Thing." (And I've also had the new Salaryman album, _Karoshi_, to take in as well, and that's pretty neat too! And a v. loud Atari Teenage Riot gig!) --Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Oct 27 10:17:37 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 15:17:37 +0100 Subject: BRAIN: Piece of Work Message-ID: > > (And I've also had the new Salaryman album, _Karoshi_, to take in as well, > and that's pretty neat too! And a v. loud Atari Teenage Riot gig!) > > Mate of mine bought the new Atari Teenage Riot single. His wife got out of bed to enquire what 'that bloody noise' was. I must go out and buy it. :-) Cheers, Rich. ObPiecoOfPlastic: Spider - Rough Justice __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Oct 27 11:04:03 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:04:03 -0500 Subject: an observation from a rookie Message-ID: Sen. Bradley said... >> i always thought that this boc-hawkwind combo was skinny; sci-fi lyrics? is >> that it? a rather tenuous thread to hang a newsgroup on, yes? i signed up >> because i love both bands, but i haven't seen a boc-related posting since my >> addition to the list! > > Actually it was originally an "Imaginative Rock" group covering >BOC/HW/Black Sabbath, Prog Rock, etc (back in the late 80s when you could >have a board topic like that and still get <30 messages a day). It just >got narrowed to the two main groups based on the list members' (and >Steve Swann's) preferences. Hmmm...it's been narrowed to two main groups? When did that happen?! I suppose I'm partially guilty of the heavy off-topic flavor of the list, but hey, who wants to be thought of as merely a fan of dinosaur bands? :) On that note, when is Hawkwind going to appear on the CMC label? I think it's the only one left for them, isn't it? > Welcome aboard! > Bill (list member since '89...hard to beleive it's ten years...) Hey, good luck with that campaign. Keith H. (FAA) (member since '93) From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Oct 27 11:38:39 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:38:39 EDT Subject: an observation from a rookie In-Reply-To: <199910271517.LAA02598@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: > From: Keith Henderson > > Hmmm...it's been narrowed to two main groups? When did that happen?! I > suppose I'm partially guilty of the heavy off-topic flavor of the list, but > hey, who wants to be thought of as merely a fan of dinosaur bands? :) On > that note, when is Hawkwind going to appear on the CMC label? I think it's > the only one left for them, isn't it? Whoa! This is a bit of inspiration. HW and Motorhead on the same label... theo From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Oct 27 11:44:42 1999 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 08:44:42 PDT Subject: Off: Andy Gilham's Record Collection(was:BRAIN: Piece of Work) Message-ID: > > (And I've also had the new Salaryman album, _Karoshi_, to take in > as >well, and that's pretty neat too! Mmmm. Tell us more.... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Oct 27 12:02:03 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 17:02:03 +0100 Subject: Off: Andy Gilham's Record Collection(was:BRAIN: Piece of Work) Message-ID: After nights on the beer with Andy, I don't even want to *imagine* what his record collection's like... :-) Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: Horse Whisperer To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 4:44 PM Subject: Off: Andy Gilham's Record Collection(was:BRAIN: Piece of Work) > > > (And I've also had the new Salaryman album, _Karoshi_, to take in > as > >well, and that's pretty neat too! > > Mmmm. Tell us more.... > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Wed Oct 27 12:20:06 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Zeitgeist) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 17:20:06 +0100 Subject: OFF: BOC-L tape trade 1999 Message-ID: Is, amazingly enough, alive! Many months after Tape No 2 arrived, No 3 popped through the door. Unfortunately, it turned out to be Russell Halls "The Sound of Man's Laughter or A Big Waste of Magnetic Medium":-) Sir, you are a bad man! Gottalove: Upper Crust, Spinal Tap, 2NU, Oingo Boingo, Frank Zappa, Red Peters, The Fools, Jimmy Buffet, The Fools, Fred Wedlock, Four Postmen, Garage Dogs Gottahate: Weird Al Yankovic, Kip Adotta, 2NU, Ray Stevens, Monty Python, Gryphon, Art of Noise, Tom Lehrer, Mike Cross For those who don't know what I'm taking about the tracklistings are still at the URL below, on the Bitter Wind section. Gekke, it'll be on it's way soon. Stuart NP Faithless: Irreverence Blessings and peace from all at; Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground - e-zine and freezine http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com alternate url: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van Vliet From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Wed Oct 27 15:20:09 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:20:09 -0500 Subject: BOC: an observation and a shorter email In-Reply-To: <3816FCA2.B8D32702@mitre.org> Message-ID: A >Good thing - the Brain Surgeons didn't exist then... ;-) Amen to that! >I know this was Albert's impression, but I disagree. His playing >appears to have expanded tremendously - most BOC fans will tell you that >the guy just keeps improving with age, and that on some nights the >result is almost beyond comprehension. Fer me, I dig his sound on OYF best. I think technically he's very whizbang but.... when I hear it now, it reminds me of a spider on coffe running up and down a fret board. > >There has been a fair discussion on OTHER BOC online forums regarding Wait a second,.. there are other BOC forums?? :) >> 8. Live shows, though more prevalent than Hawkwind, are tarred and >> 11. UNlike the hawkwind webpage, the BOCFanClub page is painfully slow in >> putting new poop up there to appease appetites. > >Have you been there lately? Miss Melne has done some incredible things >over the past 4 or so months. Yeah, I've frequented the page at least bimonthly... still when you look at the BOC news and see last new thing was in August, kinda sad. >> 15. We all know these things as part of the FAQ we have on the BOC dialogue >> in our minds. So no point in talking bout them. > >Er, sorry - my intent wasn't to squash discussion... Oh i didnt mean the BOCFAQ at all in that statement, I meant that most of us long time BOC fans on the list already know the contours and inevitable ends for a lot of the discussion points i ranted about in that prior posting. You fAQ is a service to the community and always fun to reread now and again. >O.K., so how 'bout some more discussion on them? How many folks here >have Piece of Work? Hell, how many folks here have ANY tBS albums? >Let's talk... Sending my money now for it (sob)... i hate the mail service. However, I'm pleased as punch to know listfellow Brian and I be on the photo credits. That gig (Rochester) was good one. THey performed a 7 minute+ version of Name Your Monster with Albert doin a one cymbal solo in the middle of the "dance floor" as the band wailed away. Of all the tunes in their catalog, NYM seems to be the most malleable one out there... its been acoustic, electric, horn filled and stretched! Not to mention that night had an acapella version of the Camp Bouchard song :) Also, you realize that "pull the plug" features the one song that hasn;t been reissued/rearranged out of the catalog: Frenchette. Yes, a bonafide Kollectable! Good song too. mad dude, Jason PS: the MP3 by Les Vegas (Les Braunstein) "Leve that willy alone" is funny too. Half the CD he's doing is for sale at MP3.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Wed Oct 27 16:10:16 1999 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 21:10:16 +0100 Subject: an observation from a rookie In-Reply-To: <19991027124255.E96993F01A@mark.ugcs.caltech.edu> Message-ID: At 13:42 27/10/99 , Bill Bradley wrote: > Actually it was originally an "Imaginative Rock" group covering >BOC/HW/Black Sabbath, Prog Rock, etc (back in the late 80s when you could >have a board topic like that and still get <30 messages a day). "Hey mister, can we have our net back?" (see also http://www.ntk.net) Dave. Dave Berry, www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~daveb From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Oct 27 16:31:05 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 16:31:05 EDT Subject: OFF: wow..... Message-ID: Hmm...well, I joined this list as a gung-ho BOC fan, and subsequently discrovered Hawkwind...but just as important to me--I also discovered, subsequent to _that_, the wonderful world of Space Rock/Krautrock/contemporary psyche/space/electronic music. The OFF stuff used to be really big here, leaning towards the above genres more than the "BOC genres"; almost a "space rock/music" list in itself...but that's really chilled over the last couple years. So, we all like BOC-L for different reasons, which change as we change, but it remains of some worth to those who stay. I've actually considered dumping BOC-L often; my waning enthusiasm for BOC wasn't too devastating, as there was still plenty of HW material, of course. But then I took a hiatus from HW and the space thing for a while (mainly because Zappa had conquered my stereo)...I think my enthusiasm for space-psyche stuff/HW came back much due to my radio program. Again, there isn't a hell of a lot of discussion about those bands besides Hawkwind (as of course it should be, since it's not just Space-L) but just enough to keep me around. I used to get into those discussions about subtle differences between HW song versions (like what's going on now w/"Do That/Seeing It), too, but that's kinda lost its appeal lately too. Guess I'm just fickle. Anyway, there are also the filters which, when used, can make it a BOC list only for you, or HW only. I rarely read any BOC stuff now, but I could never quite manage to filter anyone; just in case, ya know... (This list, in its OFF mode, also has collectively great knowledge of many kinds of music--and even other topics!) Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Oct 27 16:42:01 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 16:42:01 EDT Subject: HW: "Space is Deep" Live Message-ID: In a message dated 10/27/99 5:10:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time, DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: << well, on this one i'm winging it all the way, as i dont own BTM... but on that castle 'the hawkwind collection' double set, purchased by me a decade or so ago, there's a live version of "space is deep" which sounds much like, but IS NOT, the same one appearing on "a space ritual". my conjecture was that it came from the clump of material which later appeared on "ridicule/space ritual 2". as turner was involved in that material seeing the light of day, perhaps that would xplain the sax being up in the mix. but unlike certain recent brouhaha's, i'm guessing all the way... "<>" >> ---I am certain that it is just that--the Space Ritual 2 version. Chuck From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Oct 27 16:50:45 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 16:50:45 EDT Subject: HW: "Space is Deep" Live Message-ID: In a message dated 10/27/99 4:43:25 PM, Chuckrecs at AOL.COM writes: << ---I am certain that it is just that--the Space Ritual 2 version. Chuck >> == sounds good to me! jeez, i own SR2 too 10-Q! "<>" From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Oct 26 18:23:19 1999 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:23:19 +0100 Subject: HW: Greasy Tracks Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > > << If "Jam" is > > >the same track that follows the Greasy Truckers material on the Weird > > >tapes then there's a mystery. I found this identical (though slowed > > >down) to the "Seeing It As You Really Are" piece preceding Silver > > >Machine on Roadhawks >> > > ============= > > no mystery. > > the track on the weird tape, if my memory serves me well, is simply the end > > of another hawkwind show. it's not slowed down so much as on this occasion > > they're playing it slower. well, yeah, then it slowed down but > > =nnnggghhh= the recording itself hasnt been slowed down. > > Well OK, if we're to believe that the various shouts and screams are > precisely the same gig to gig. It's just that I don't believe that. Play > the tracks against each other and you;ll see what I mean. oh dear - it seems there is about to be a sad falling out between Codexers...... 8-( Obviously and quite genuinely most people don't hear any difference between the "Jam" track on the Wierd tape and the bit at the end of "Seeing It..." on Roadhawks. I do. But there's nothing more I can add to what I've said! I've tried and I'm relieved that Larry (thank you sir!) who is a musician can also genuinely hear precise differences between the two tracks that I am only vaguely aware of. So I guess we have to settle on the fact that the two tracks are close enough (or that the recording is bad enough) that they are difficult to distinguish between. That still IMO does not militate against a Dec 1972 "Jam" because there's only a matter of months between them and it's a track whose development might have been shelved while other tracks were developed for Space Ritual. But mercifully however this discussion is largely if not completely academic since Brock has "Jam" listed as part of the Greasy Truckers gig and I, for one, am quite happy to accept that. 8-) Plus ca changes jill - ====================================================================== Jill Strobridge or J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk ====================================================================== From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Oct 26 18:35:55 1999 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:35:55 +0100 Subject: HW: Greasy Jam - Those that have ears Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > > In a message dated 10/25/99 1:54:39 PM, jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK > writes: > > > > < > "Seeing It As You Really Are" BUT (and this is the important bit) I am > > quite determined that it is NOT the same performance.>> > ===== > you mean 'NOT the same performance as what appears on ROADHAWKS'? > aye, lassie. > I do. Thank you! I'm glad to know that someone else listens (I mean LISTENS!) to what's being played! And I was extremely relieved you could hear details I completely missed - since I'm no musician. However we'd better call the argument dead or there will be a spate of complaints from everyone on the list! I'll just have to see if I can convince Mike in person next time we meet up in the pub! > == > so didja get those roses? > yes. thanks! But I'm not sure my machine liked them - it spent a long time disgesting those before it produced them for me 8-( cheers jill -- ====================================================================== Jill Strobridge or J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk ====================================================================== From bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET Wed Oct 27 18:34:13 1999 From: bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 18:34:13 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Piece of Work In-Reply-To: <19991027222543.91793.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: Andy wrote: >I like it! - more varied and, I think, catchier than anyhting since >_Eponymous_. It's the funkiness (Is that a word? How about funkitude?) that reminds me of Eponymous. But PoW is so much "thicker" sounding, and I think the songs are just better written. I don't really have a favorite song, but there are little moments in all of them that are a real treat: Starting off an album with an acapella tune, the horns on Rain, Rain. The lyrics and smokin' sax solo on On the Road (Again), and the list goes on. I think Al's drums are "turned-up" on PoW too. They're much more obvious than on Trep. or even BoH. And that's the way I like it. The rhythm on Bad Hair Day and Prince Albert are a lot of fun to groove to. >But I've already found myself humming "Alpha and Omega" and "Swamp Thing." I've had the melody to More Than Truth in my head lately. Now there's a radio-friendly tune in a mid-'80s vein. The solos on the mellow tunes are very well done. But that all leads back to Pete's great solo on Kiss Is a Promise from Trep. PoW is definately my favorite Surgeons album. >(And I've also had the new Salaryman album, _Karoshi_, to take in as well, >and that's pretty neat too! And a v. loud Atari Teenage Riot gig!) Do you have the ATR Live in Philadelphia '97 EP? That's a lot of fun. Didn't care for the latest album though. Brian >--Andy > >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Oct 27 19:35:30 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 00:35:30 +0100 Subject: BOC: an observation/BOC tribute? In-Reply-To: <3816FCA2.B8D32702@mitre.org> Message-ID: John of the FAQ quoth: > > 7. No one drums like Albert and Danny Miranda is a good > > bassist. > There has been a fair discussion on OTHER BOC online forums regarding > comparisons of the Bouchards to the current BOC rhythm section. I am > not as qualified to judge drummers (although it is clear that Albert has > that certain something that other drummers don't -- whether Albert would > be better suited to drum with the current incarnation of BOC is > debatable, but moot), it is clear that Danny Miranda and Joe Bouchard > are very different bassists. To say Danny is "better" because of his > obvious skill with the instrument, more modern sound (well, it *IS* the > 90s), and variations of Joe's original lines is perhaps not fair to the > man that built the foundation upon which Danny now works for the most > part -- they are both great, and I draw much inspiration from the both > of them. As someone who's defended Danny lots, I have to say here that I've never done it to suggest he's better than Joe! Heavens no, largely because I have a very shady idea of Joe's actual ability because he's not very high up in the mix mostly and I haven't ever done a dedicated listen for bass-lines. It's difficult when you don't play and get carried into the music too easily... But I used to see a post that said, "ah, it's not the same as when Joe was on bass, and the songs aren't as good either," and feel forced to reply that Danny seemed, well, not the worst musician in the band to say the least, and that I wished the band would let him get a song or two in as until he does there's this nasty feeling that he's just a session man and not really part of "BOC". It's not that he doesn't write, he said to us in '95 that he had some songs for other bands of his. Perhaps they weren't very good but how bad does it have to be given the paucity of material? As for Al, I've always thought he was brilliant though I ain't a drummer just because he does things on the drums that I'm not expecting and couldn't have thought of. He is to drums what Walter Becker was/is to bass. The technical ability is massive, but it's not the factor compared to how inventive and what's-going-to-happen-next they are. My 2pworth, anyhow (helping the BOC discussion), yours, Jon From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Oct 27 19:21:26 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 00:21:26 +0100 Subject: Off: Andy Gilham's Record Collection(was:BRAIN: Piece of Work) In-Reply-To: <01a501bf2094$9cec6550$3d01a8c0@tpd.co.uk> Message-ID: Almost as scary as mine ;-{P> ChrisW At 17:02 27.10.1999 +0100, Rich wrote: >After nights on the beer with Andy, I don't even want to *imagine* what his >record collection's like... :-) > >Cheers, > >Rich. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Horse Whisperer >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 4:44 PM >Subject: Off: Andy Gilham's Record Collection(was:BRAIN: Piece of Work) > > >> > > (And I've also had the new Salaryman album, _Karoshi_, to take in > as >> >well, and that's pretty neat too! >> >> Mmmm. Tell us more.... >> >> ______________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Oct 27 19:19:27 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 00:19:27 +0100 Subject: BRAIN: Piece of Work In-Reply-To: <018701bf2086$05b863e0$3d01a8c0@tpd.co.uk> Message-ID: At 15:17 27.10.1999 +0100, you wrote: >> >> (And I've also had the new Salaryman album, _Karoshi_, to take in as well, >> and that's pretty neat too! And a v. loud Atari Teenage Riot gig!) >> >> > >Mate of mine bought the new Atari Teenage Riot single. His wife got out of >bed to enquire what 'that bloody noise' was. I must go out and buy it. :-) > >Cheers, > >Rich. Sounds like an unequivocal recommendation to me...what's it called? ChrisW "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Oct 27 19:10:50 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 00:10:50 +0100 Subject: an observation from a rookie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 15:21 27.10.1999 +0200, you wrote: >Op 27 Oct 99, om 5:42, Bill Bradley schreef: >> >> Bill (list member since '89...hard to beleive it's ten years...) > >Is this list that old...I bought my first C64 around that time. >I only joined the list one year ago, and had never heard from BOC >before. Only HW had my interest. >Bought some BOC records recently, and have to say they are >pretty enjoyable. > >--BArt Whereas I joined for BOC (about 3 years ago) but had my interest in hawkwind rekindled after a near 20 year hiatus! ChrisW "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Oct 27 19:07:15 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 00:07:15 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: wow..... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 00:15 27.10.1999 -0400, Paul wrote: > >Actually, in all my time on this list, I can't remember any BOC vs. >Hawkwind (or vice versa) "my band is better than yours" bashing. Apart from the bozo who thought this was just a BOC list, complained about all the talk about some band they's never heard of, didn't RTFM re. filters etc. and signed off in a huff, accompanied by Ben's splendid defence of the list's raison d'etre. And of course, there are plenty of us who enjoy both bands and the multitude of off-topic material. ChrisW (guilty of a LOT of OFF: postings!) ObCD: Moving Shadow 99.1 (Double Cd of D'n'B for ?1.99) "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Oct 27 18:59:18 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 23:59:18 +0100 Subject: an observation from a rookie In-Reply-To: <0.d0842193.2547ba1c@aol.com> Message-ID: At 22:14 26.10.1999 EDT, rmayo wrote: > but i haven't seen a boc-related posting since my >addition to the list! >i've enjoyed each and every posting i've received and am looking for my 'in' >to join in the fray, but: come on boc'ers! where are ye lads! perhaps >re-naming the group is a valid move after all!?! heck, i'd join both. >rmayo It's that aporia again! ChrisW "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Oct 27 19:14:31 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 00:14:31 +0100 Subject: an observation from a rookie In-Reply-To: <2FF9DA8459E@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: At 08:20 27.10.1999 EDT, theo responded to: >> From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision > >> 4. Buck plays the same way since 1976.... which the more i think about >> it, the worse it sounds. > with: >Hate to argue with the usually inspired Jason, but here, you're dead >wrong. Buck's playing is currently at an all-time high, esp. in the >live shows. In the old days, BD could be pretty hit-or-miss at >concerts. He might fluff certain parts of a song only to redeem >[sic] himself with a great solo. Judging by what I've seen at >concerts the last few years, BD is positively inspired in his playing >throughout the shows. Only criticism I can muster being that >sometimes his stage volume is too low, so that you can actually hear >him better if you're further back in the crowd... With which I concur most strongly: I couldn't have had a better birthday present last year than Buck's playing at the Astoria show in London...admittedly I was "as a newt" that night (being in celebratory mode), but for me, he was "On Flame....", though I don't know about the interregnum years, not having seen BOC between the Imaginos tour and that night. I know that's a long time, but I was still gobsmacked that someone I already regarded VERY highly as a rock guitarist could have got SO much better! Speaking of which, Rich, Helen says that her boobs say "Hello" ('scuse the bad poetry...) Cheers, ChrisW "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Oct 27 19:28:31 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 00:28:31 +0100 Subject: OFF: BOC-L tape trade 1999 In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19991027172006.0069bd8c@pop3.connectfree.co.uk> Message-ID: At 17:20 27.10.1999 +0100, you wrote: >Is, amazingly enough, alive! > >Many months after Tape No 2 arrived, No 3 popped through the door. I'm still waiting for number 3 - I fear Mr. Jarrett may have something to do with the delay! >Unfortunately, it turned out to be Russell Halls "The Sound of Man's >Laughter or A Big Waste of Magnetic Medium":-) Sir, you are a bad man! Absolutely > >Gottalove: Upper Crust, Spinal Tap, 2NU, Oingo Boingo, Frank Zappa, Red >Peters, The Fools, Jimmy Buffet, The Fools, Fred Wedlock, Four Postmen, >Garage Dogs > >Gottahate: Weird Al Yankovic, Kip Adotta, 2NU, Ray Stevens, Monty Python, >Gryphon, Art of Noise, Tom Lehrer, Mike Cross Oi, mind what you say about Tom Lehrer, or I'll come & poison your pigeons! >For those who don't know what I'm taking about the tracklistings are still >at the URL below, on the Bitter Wind section. > >Gekke, it'll be on it's way soon. > >Stuart >NP Faithless: Irreverence How's it compare with "Sunday 8PM" - is it worth having both? ChrisW "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Thu Oct 28 02:32:08 1999 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 02:32:08 EDT Subject: OFF:(?) MOTORHEAD SHOW 10/27 Message-ID: 'lo all, real quick: 2:24 am, just got back from axis in boston. gluecifer/nashville pussy/MOTORHEAD. can't hear myself typing this! seen 'em 11x since '81; this was the best. review to follow shortly. what? BOBM!!!! From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Oct 28 04:13:27 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:13:27 +0100 Subject: Off: Andy Gilham's Record Collection(was:BRAIN: Piece of Work) Message-ID: Just to annoy everyone at work I brought 'Anthology 67-82' and Engine's 'Autowreck' in today. Now I just need to steal some speakers... :-) Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Warburton To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 12:21 AM Subject: Re: Off: Andy Gilham's Record Collection(was:BRAIN: Piece of Work) > Almost as scary as mine ;-{P> > ChrisW > > > At 17:02 27.10.1999 +0100, Rich wrote: > >After nights on the beer with Andy, I don't even want to *imagine* what his > >record collection's like... :-) > > > >Cheers, > > > >Rich. > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Horse Whisperer > >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > >Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 4:44 PM > >Subject: Off: Andy Gilham's Record Collection(was:BRAIN: Piece of Work) > > > > > >> > > (And I've also had the new Salaryman album, _Karoshi_, to take in > as > >> >well, and that's pretty neat too! > >> > >> Mmmm. Tell us more.... > >> > >> ______________________________________________________ > >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - > Bierce __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Oct 28 04:17:25 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:17:25 +0100 Subject: Atari Teenage Riot - was...Re: BRAIN: Piece of Work Message-ID: I'll try and find out - better still, I'm seeing him tomorrow night - I'll see if I can get him to rip it into WAV or MP3 and mail it to you. :-) Cheers, Rich. Ob 7" piece of plastic... Cruella de Ville, Gypsy Girl. (Again) > At 15:17 27.10.1999 +0100, you wrote: > >> > >> (And I've also had the new Salaryman album, _Karoshi_, to take in as well, > >> and that's pretty neat too! And a v. loud Atari Teenage Riot gig!) > >> > >> > > > >Mate of mine bought the new Atari Teenage Riot single. His wife got out of > >bed to enquire what 'that bloody noise' was. I must go out and buy it. :-) > > > >Cheers, > > > >Rich. > > Sounds like an unequivocal recommendation to me...what's it called? > > ChrisW > > "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - > Bierce __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Oct 28 04:18:44 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:18:44 +0100 Subject: an observation from a rookie Message-ID: > > Speaking of which, Rich, Helen says that her boobs say "Hello" ('scuse the > bad poetry...) Errr... Now I'm getting worried. Do I know Helen? (Sounds like me tho') :-) Cheers, Rich. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Oct 28 04:19:31 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:19:31 +0100 Subject: OFF:(?) MOTORHEAD SHOW 10/27 Message-ID: GLUECIFER!!! FANTASTIC NAME!!! Tell me more! Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert C. Mayo To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 7:32 AM Subject: OFF:(?) MOTORHEAD SHOW 10/27 > 'lo all, > real quick: 2:24 am, just got back from axis in boston. gluecifer/nashville > pussy/MOTORHEAD. can't hear myself typing this! seen 'em 11x since '81; this > was the best. review to follow shortly. > what? > BOBM!!!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Thu Oct 28 04:29:11 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans (aka Gekke Henkie)) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:29:11 +0200 Subject: Atari Teenage Riot - was...Re: BRAIN: Piece of Work In-Reply-To: <008801bf211c$de83be40$3d01a8c0@tpd.co.uk> Message-ID: I'm gooing to see ATR tonight with the guy who introduced Hawkwind in our little punk scene we used to be in. I gave him an ATR cd and now we are both hooked on this sort of noise. looking forward to it. --BArt From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Oct 28 04:34:23 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:34:23 +0100 Subject: Atari Teenage Riot - was...Re: BRAIN: Piece of Work Message-ID: Single's called Too Dead For Me. Apparently it's got video clips, and that track they did with Slayer on it... Fiver for a CD single tho'... :-( Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bart Brugmans (aka Gekke Henkie) To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 9:29 AM Subject: Re: Atari Teenage Riot - was...Re: BRAIN: Piece of Work > I'm gooing to see ATR tonight with the guy who introduced > Hawkwind in our little punk scene we used to be in. > I gave him an ATR cd and now we are both hooked on this sort of > noise. > > looking forward to it. > > --BArt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Oct 28 04:41:25 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:41:25 +0100 Subject: OFF: ATR (was RE: BRAIN: Piece of Work) In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991028001927.00929790@mail.clara.net> Message-ID: > >Mate of mine bought the new Atari Teenage Riot single. His wife > got out of > >bed to enquire what 'that bloody noise' was. I must go out and > buy it. :-) > > > >Cheers, > > > >Rich. > > Sounds like an unequivocal recommendation to me...what's it called? > > ChrisW > _60 Second Wipeout_ is the title you're looking for. Well that's the album, anyway, I think "Too Dead For Me" is the newest single. --Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Oct 28 04:43:19 1999 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:43:19 +0100 Subject: OFF: Atari Teenage Riot In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:50:16 BST." Message-ID: > ...were immense fun tonight!!! Very loud white noise always goes down well > here! ACTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do catch 'em! Indeed they were. Don't expect to be able to hum along though, its basically 80 minutes of shouting and strobe lights over a maelstrom of white noise and beats. I don't think I'm giving much away there. :-) Highlight was them doing the Slayer sampled 'No Remorse - I wanna DIIIEEEEEEE!!!!', and Alec Empire doing the rock star wanker routine. Amusing, just be sure to see it for what it really is. > ObPhoto: the one in _Piece of Work_ where Albert and Deborah have their > Nethawks t-shirts on :) Yes I'm reasonably chuffed at that. Worth buying I think! Tim From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Oct 28 04:46:19 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:46:19 +0100 Subject: Atari Teenage Riot - was...Re: BRAIN: Piece of Work In-Reply-To: <00c801bf211f$3d24ade0$3d01a8c0@tpd.co.uk> Message-ID: > Single's called Too Dead For Me. Apparently it's got video > clips, and that > track they did with Slayer on it... > Ooh, it's got "No Remorse," has it? One of the highlights from Monday! --Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 28 05:07:43 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:07:43 +0100 Subject: HW: Greasy Tracks In-Reply-To: Jill's message of Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:23:19 +0100 Message-ID: Jill writes: > Obviously and quite genuinely most people don't hear any difference > between the "Jam" track on the Wierd tape and the bit at the end of > "Seeing It..." on Roadhawks. I do. But there's nothing more I can > add to what I've said! I've tried and I'm relieved that Larry (thank you > sir!) who is a musician can also genuinely hear precise differences > between the two tracks that I am only vaguely aware of. So I guess we > have to settle on the fact that the two tracks are close enough (or that > the recording is bad enough) that they are difficult to distinguish > between. That still IMO does not militate against a Dec 1972 "Jam" > because there's only a matter of months between them and it's a track > whose development might have been shelved while other tracks were > developed for Space Ritual. > > But mercifully however this discussion is largely if not completely > academic since Brock has "Jam" listed as part of the Greasy Truckers gig > and I, for one, am quite happy to accept that. 8-) That's how it appears in the Codex. > Plus ca changes Oi! We're boycotting French! > jill FoFP From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Thu Oct 28 05:35:34 1999 From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:35:34 +0200 Subject: Gluecifer Message-ID: gluecifer is a norwegian band, that were quoted "quite happy supporting lemmy and the boys" ....they were invited to tour with them by nashville pussies (the band, i've nothing against people from nashville ;). ketil svendsen, norway > Subject: Re: OFF:(?) MOTORHEAD SHOW 10/27 > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:19:31 +0100 > From: Richard Lockwood > > GLUECIFER!!! FANTASTIC NAME!!! Tell me more! > > Cheers, > > Rich. From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Thu Oct 28 05:46:08 1999 From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:46:08 +0200 Subject: "space is deep" Message-ID: coming to think of it, the "space is deep" version on the "roadhawks" compilation - wasn't that exactly the same version (but different mix) compared with BTM..? ..been a while since i heared RH, but there rings a bell somewhere in my head... and yes, i thought about nik's sax being way down in "the other mix" could have something to do with differencies within the band........ ;-) ...anyway, that version is - imho - one of the best live hw tracks, building from almost nothing, into the hard chug-chug we all know so well, and then back into a strikingly beautiful sax/wah guitar ending... regards, ketil svendsen, norway > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: spacerock/psych webradio > Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 07:57:00 EDT > From: DASLUD at AOL.COM > well, on this one i'm winging it all the way, as i dont own BTM... > but on that castle 'the hawkwind collection' double set, purchased by me a > decade or so ago, there's a live version of "space is deep" which sounds much > like, but IS NOT, the same one appearing on "a space ritual". > my conjecture was that it came from the clump of material which later > appeared on "ridicule/space ritual 2". as turner was involved in that > material seeing the light of day, perhaps that would xplain the sax being up > in the mix. > but unlike certain recent brouhaha's, i'm guessing all the way... > > Subject: HW: "Space is Deep" Live > Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 16:42:01 EDT > From: Chuck Rosenberg > ---I am certain that it is just that--the Space Ritual 2 version. Chuck > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Oct 28 07:00:20 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 07:00:20 EDT Subject: Atari Teenage Riot - was...Re: BRAIN: Piece of Work Message-ID: In a message dated 10/28/99 4:47:47 AM, rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM writes: << > I'm gooing to see ATR tonight with the guy who introduced > Hawkwind in our little punk scene we used to be in. > I gave him an ATR cd and now we are both hooked on this sort of > noise. > >> ======== as a longtime 'hawkwind introducer' (hi bob!), after the last couple days of ATR talk, i'm a gonna haveta check this bunch out. lots to be said for 'bloody noise'...^_~ "<>" From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Thu Oct 28 07:11:27 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans (aka Gekke Henkie)) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:11:27 +0200 Subject: Gluecifer In-Reply-To: <381818E5.F678CB12@fiskaren.nhst.no> Message-ID: Gluecifer also makes this sleazy rock'n'roll that norway is famous of. --BArt > gluecifer is a norwegian band, that were quoted "quite happy supporting lemmy and > the boys" ....they were invited to tour with them by nashville pussies (the band, > i've nothing against people from nashville ;). > > ketil svendsen, > norway > > > > Subject: Re: OFF:(?) MOTORHEAD SHOW 10/27 > > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:19:31 +0100 > > From: Richard Lockwood > > > > GLUECIFER!!! FANTASTIC NAME!!! Tell me more! > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rich. From flossbac at NLCI.COM Thu Oct 28 08:22:28 1999 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 07:22:28 -0500 Subject: "space is deep" Message-ID: > coming to think of it, the "space is deep" version on the "roadhawks" compilation - wasn't that > exactly the same version (but different mix) compared with BTM..? ..been a while since i heared > RH, but there rings a bell somewhere in my head... and yes, i thought about nik's sax being way > down in "the other mix" could have something to do with differencies within the band........ ;-) > ...anyway, that version is - imho - one of the best live hw tracks, building from almost nothing, > into the hard chug-chug we all know so well, and then back into a strikingly beautiful sax/wah > guitar ending... > ketil svendsen, > norway Nope, the "Space is Deep" on Roadhawks is taken from Space Ritual. John Majka flossbac at nlci.com http://www.nlci.com/users/flossbac/hawkwind.html From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Oct 28 08:58:26 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 08:58:26 EDT Subject: "space is deep" Message-ID: In a message dated 10/28/99 8:36:06 AM, flossbac at NLCI.COM writes: << Nope, the "Space is Deep" on Roadhawks is taken from Space Ritual. >> ====== um, hang on a sec. wasnt the "Doremi" studio version on ROADHAWKS? may these brain cells have not been sacrificed in vain "<>" From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Thu Oct 28 09:11:46 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:11:46 -0400 Subject: BOC: an observation from a rookie Message-ID: > > 4. Buck plays the same way since 1976.... which the more i think about > > it, the worse it sounds. > > Hate to argue with the usually inspired Jason, but here, you're dead > wrong. Buck's playing is currently at an all-time high, esp. in the > live shows. In the old days, BD could be pretty hit-or-miss at > concerts. He might fluff certain parts of a song only to redeem > [sic] himself with a great solo. Judging by what I've seen at > concerts the last few years, BD is positively inspired in his playing > throughout the shows. Only criticism I can muster being that > sometimes his stage volume is too low, so that you can actually hear > him better if you're further back in the crowd... I absolutely KNEW that Theo would chime in on this comment - and I agree with him as well. > > > 5. Every time something NEW attempts to exist in their discography that's > > not a Best of, it gets buired through some sad mechanism. > > Can't agree with this either. I'm under the impression that HF has > sold decently well--better than expected. I think they're on a label > that's good for them, and I suspect that the relative inactivity of > the band of late might suggest that they're spending some time in the > studio. I do know they have the green light from CMC to make another > album... I think the point here was that things are promised, and not delivered, not that what is delivered is bad. Since about '92, we've been promised a new album (which took about 6 years to materialize), a box set (which became *Workshop of the Telescopes* - a decent product, but not what the die-hard fans were looking for), a King Biscuit compilation with some cool live cuts (which may or may not ever materialize), new material from Buck Dharma (which presumably a CD from the Ricky Browning benefit concert is still in the works, but I haven't heard anything for awhile - you still out there Chuck?), something about a new BOC tune in the Heavy Metal 2 soundtrack (status unknown), and a 2nd CMC BOC album. As for the last, rumor has it that the band's touring schedule lately has been diminished to facillitate working on this album. Any mention of new tunes has been kept under wraps - I think the band want to have a few surprises this time around. Still, as far as anyone knows, a release in early 2000 is still planned, but there hasn't been a lot of hype yet. > > Can you tell I'm miffed? Thank god for the Brain Surgeons. At least with > > them you know that theres new work afoot in between appearances in the > > light of stage and CD stores. > > > Hmm...When was the last tBS gig? Yes, BOC and tBS provide somewhat opposite functions - BOC allows more opportunities for live shows, while tBS put out more albums. The reasons are many and varied, but here are a few: 1. tBS have more prolific song-writers, and an independent label, so there are little restrictions when putting out music on CD 2. BOC have more established contacts on the large club circuit across the country, and have an established name that will guarantee some ticket sales. 3. BOC does this as a job. All members of tBS have other jobs (although I imagine that if Piece of Work got picked up in the mainstream and went platinum, they might consider quitting those jobs). > >> 11. UNlike the hawkwind webpage, the BOCFanClub page is > painfully slow in > >> putting new poop up there to appease appetites. > > > >Have you been there lately? Miss Melne has done some incredible things > >over the past 4 or so months. > Yeah, I've frequented the page at least bimonthly... still when you look > at the BOC news and see last new thing was in August, kinda sad. Ah, you're talking about the fact that there is little BOC news to report, and not that the page is slow to be updated. > > As someone who's defended Danny lots, I have to say here that I've > never done it to suggest he's better than Joe! It's o.k. - I'm not accusing anybody. Sometimes there is a mentality that says, "Hey, the Bouchards are gone - why don't you take notice to who's there, 'cuz they are damn good!". I agree with this sentiment. I only disagree when folks take it so far as to say the Danny/Bobby are BETTER than Joe/Al. They may be more suited to the current line-up, and their chops are undeniable, but comparisons of "better/worse" with others are futile and irrelevant. You want to compare styles? Fine. But saying someone is a "better" bassplayer is like saying that chocolate cake is better than apple pie. > But I used to see a post that said, "ah, it's not the > same as when Joe was on bass, and the songs aren't as good either," Well, of course, the songs are mostly the same... ;-) But, I agree that it is also unfair to Danny to make such statements. > I wished the band would let him get > a song or two in as until he does there's this nasty feeling that he's > just a session man and not really part of "BOC". It's not that he doesn't > write, he said to us in '95 that he had some songs for other bands of his. > Perhaps they weren't very good but how bad does it have to be given the > paucity of material? Don't know, but I've also heard Danny writes - maybe the next BOC album will have a song or 2 by him. Heaven Forbid was mostly written when Danny joined BOC. > > Speaking of which, Rich, Helen says that her boobs say "Hello" ('scuse the > bad poetry...) ?!?! Tell us more - what can I say, when boobs speak, I like to listen in... ;-) John PS: See? Some BOC discussion has been started! From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Thu Oct 28 09:35:19 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:35:19 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Piece of Work, and other tBS stuff Message-ID: I'm working on a fairly detailed review of *Piece Of Work* - for now I'll just chime in on current threads... > I like it! - more varied and, I think, catchier than anyhting since > _Eponymous_. Perhaps because it is varied, and because it's a double so > there's quite a lot to take in, it's hard come up with pithy comments. But > I've already found myself humming "Alpha and Omega" and "Swamp Thing." I found that I had to drop my pre-conceived notions of what the tBS "sound" was - my first listen left me scratching my head a little. Deb and I have had some discussion on AOL on this - while she (correctly) asserts that there are echoes previous tBS work throughout the album, I contend that the emphasis is on "echoes" - I find it stylistically quite varied, with lots of previously unchartered territory by this band. But, I'm finding that I'm quite enjoying it. > Sending my money now for it (sob)... i hate the mail service. However, I'm > pleased as punch to know listfellow Brian and I be on the photo credits. Lots of nice photos in the liner notes. > That gig (Rochester) was good one. THey performed a 7 minute+ version of > Name Your Monster with Albert doin a one cymbal solo in the middle of the > "dance floor" as the band wailed away. Of all the tunes in their catalog, > NYM seems to be the most malleable one out there... its been acoustic, > electric, horn filled and stretched! Well, my favorite version is still the balls-to-the-wall version that they used to use to open their shows. > > Also, you realize that "pull the plug" features the one song that hasn;t > been reissued/rearranged out of the catalog: Frenchette. Yes, a bonafide > Kollectable! Good song too. Yes, and hopefully it will be on *Malpractice - Part II*, along with the acoustic "Lady Of The Harbor", the 1994 Mike Watt version of "Dominance and Submission" (which features Al and Joe Bouchard prominently), and other unreleased and live gems (like Pete Bohovesky's one-off Christmas song back in 1995 on a cold snowy night in Boston - I have the tape if you need it Al...). > It's the funkiness (Is that a word? How about funkitude?) that reminds me > of Eponymous. But PoW is so much "thicker" sounding, There is a definite "funkitude" on this album - seems especially emphasized by the bass lines as well as Albert's drumming. The songs are definitely "thicker" - there are layers and layers of instrumentation on many tracks - some quite subtle too. > Starting off an album with an acapella tune, My first reaction was kind of a "What the f#$%?" when I heard that - guess I wanted another *Trepanation* kind of a start (i.e. with "Gimme Nothin'). But, after listening to this song a few times, I decided that it was much more appropriate at the beginning of the album, than sandwiched somewhere in the middle. One of Deb's finest vocal moments on the album, I might add. > I think Al's drums are "turned-up" on PoW too. They're much more obvious > than on Trep. or even BoH. And that's the way I like it. The rhythm on Bad > Hair Day and Prince Albert are a lot of fun to groove to. I think you are right. I may have even commented on *Trepanation* that the guitars were so up-front that the drums and bass (probably especially the bass) needed to be louder. It was less the case on *Box Of Hammers*, and now on *Piece Of Work* the drums and the bass seem even more prominent. > > >But I've already found myself humming "Alpha and Omega" and "Swamp Thing." Love "Swamp Thing" - probably my favorite PoW track. > I've had the melody to More Than Truth in my head lately. Now there's a > radio-friendly tune in a mid-'80s vein. Yes, but I think "Confession #9" could get radio airplay in the 90s. > PoW is definately my favorite Surgeons album. I'm not sure tBS will ever top *Trepanation* for me, but I do really like PoW. John From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Thu Oct 28 08:48:28 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:48:28 +0100 Subject: an observation from a rookie In-Reply-To: <008f01bf211d$0dc27840$3d01a8c0@tpd.co.uk> Message-ID: At 09:18 28.10.1999 +0100, you wrote: >> >> Speaking of which, Rich, Helen says that her boobs say "Hello" ('scuse the >> bad poetry...) > >Errr... Now I'm getting worried. Do I know Helen? > >(Sounds like me tho') :-) > >Cheers, > >Rich. Substantial blonde babe who came to the Astoria with me for BOC - but I think you were as pissed as I was! ChrisW "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Oct 28 09:49:48 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:49:48 +0100 Subject: an observation from a rookie Message-ID: > >> > >> Speaking of which, Rich, Helen says that her boobs say "Hello" ('scuse the > >> bad poetry...) > > > >Errr... Now I'm getting worried. Do I know Helen? > > > >(Sounds like me tho') :-) > > > >Cheers, > > > >Rich. > > Substantial blonde babe who came to the Astoria with me for BOC - but I > think you were as pissed as I was! > ChrisW Nope - no recollection I'm afraid. And yes, I think I was. Send a pic!! :-) Cheers, Rich. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Oct 28 09:48:58 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 08:48:58 -0500 Subject: Aural Innovations #8 Message-ID: Hi Folks...some blatant self-promo...Keith H. Forwarded from: "Jerry Kranitz" Aural Innovations #8 (October 1999) is ready! There are big changes starting this issue that we are pleased to announce... First, in addition to the hard copy that you can purchase or subscribe to, we are also making available an Adobe Acrobat version of Aural Innovations for FREE download. You must have the Adobe Acrobat reader to view the mag in this format. It too is free and both are available from the Aural Innovations web site (URL below). But if you still prefer to sit down in a comfortable chair and read a real hard copy magazine then see the bottom of this message for ordering information. We'll be glad to accommodate you. 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Stuart NP: Faithless - If Lovin' You Is Wrong (from "Reverence") Blessings and peace from all at; Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground - e-zine and freezine http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com alternate url: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van Vliet From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Oct 28 10:18:53 1999 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:18:53 EDT Subject: OFF: DIAMANDA GALAS/LONDON Message-ID: Check this one out! One Night Only Thu December 9 Defixiones: Will and Testament THE BARBICAN, London UK Silk Street 8:00pm Tickets: Ph (+44) 171 638 8891 www: http://www.barbican.org.uk regards, Bill Stewart From flossbac at NLCI.COM Thu Oct 28 10:36:33 1999 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:36:33 -0500 Subject: "space is deep" Message-ID: > > << Nope, the "Space is Deep" on Roadhawks is taken from Space Ritual. >> > ====== > um, hang on a sec. > wasnt the "Doremi" studio version on ROADHAWKS? Absolutely correct! I was thinking one thing and typing another! john majka http://www.nlci.com/users/flossbac/hawkwind.html From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 28 11:27:24 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:27:24 +0100 Subject: "space is deep" In-Reply-To: DASLUD@AOL.COM's message of Thu, 28 Oct 1999 08:58:26 EDT Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: > In a message dated 10/28/99 8:36:06 AM, flossbac at NLCI.COM writes: > > << Nope, the "Space is Deep" on Roadhawks is taken from Space Ritual. >> > ====== > um, hang on a sec. > wasnt the "Doremi" studio version on ROADHAWKS? Space Is Deep 1 Doremi Fasol Latido 1 Roadhawks 1 The Best of Hawkwind [EMI Metal Classics cassette] 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 1 Epoch Eclipse 30 Year Anthology L 2 Space Ritual Alive L 2 Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73 L 2 British Tribal Music L 2 Stasis L 2 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II CD L 2 Acid Daze Vol. III L 2 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. III L 2 The Hawkwind Anthology 1967-1982 [Castle 2CD] L 2 The Hawkwind Collection L 2 The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind L 2 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 2 Best of Hawkwind L 2 Space Is Deep L 2 Live & Rare (Onward Flies The Bird) L 2 Master of the Universe [Pulse CD] L 2 Silver Machine CD [Hallmark compilation] 3 Strange Trips And Pipe Dreams {Space} From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Oct 28 07:35:16 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:35:16 +0000 Subject: BRAIN: Piece of Work Message-ID: > > O.K., so how 'bout some more discussion on them? How many folks here > > have Piece of Work? Hell, how many folks here have ANY tBS albums? > > Let's talk... I've gotta catch up! I have Eponymous and Trepanation, love the majority of the tunes on both, but I sorta fell behind, mostly because I always have to special-order them from record stores, and sometimes I have to call a couple different ones before I reach someone competent enough to find them! In case anyone cares, I just bought the new Yes album, The Ladder, and it's great! It pretty much beats anything Yes has done in 20 years or so. . . a real return to the roots of the band without being too "retro" sounding. If this disc is any indication, they've officially outgrown their ballad stage. -- Nick From StevenTice at AOL.COM Thu Oct 28 13:48:40 1999 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:48:40 EDT Subject: BRAIN: Piece of Work Message-ID: In a message dated 10/28/99 11:49:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, nick at THECAMPUS.COM writes: << I've gotta catch up! I have Eponymous and Trepanation, love the majority of the tunes on both, but I sorta fell behind, mostly because I always have to special-order them from record stores, and sometimes I have to call a couple different ones before I reach someone competent enough to find them! You just need to get on Al and Deb's mailing list...then you can cut out the middleman and order directly from them. :-) >>In case anyone cares, I just bought the new Yes album, The Ladder, and it's great! It pretty much beats anything Yes has done in 20 years or so. . . a real return to the roots of the band without being too "retro" sounding. If this disc is any indication, they've officially outgrown their ballad stage. >> Wow, another Yes fan! I was planning to wait on the Ladder, given the unfortunate quality of most recent Yes offerings (and by "recent" I mean post-1980 :-). Now I'm looking forward to the album! :-) Steven Tice From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Thu Oct 28 15:22:18 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 19:22:18 +0000 Subject: BRAIN: Piece of Work In-Reply-To: <0.78255ff5.2549e678@aol.com> Message-ID: At 13:48 28/10/99 EDT, you wrote: > >Wow, another Yes fan! I was planning to wait on the Ladder, given the >unfortunate quality of most recent Yes offerings (and by "recent" I mean >post-1980 :-). Now I'm looking forward to the album! :-) > >Steven Tice I like the old stuff too...like pre "Tormato" (& excluding the execrable "...Topographic..." ChrisW From age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Oct 28 17:54:48 1999 From: age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Adrian Parr) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 22:54:48 +0100 Subject: HW: Greasy Tracks, Meat, Trains and Tibet Message-ID: Hi Folks Further to recent discussion about Greasy Truckers tracks. Make What You Can. Well, i contacted Brian Tawn about this, and many more Hawkwind tracks when compiling the Hawkwind & Related Worldwide Discography book a few years back. He phoned Dave Brock, and Dave seemed to recall this was recorded in America during a tour there. I guess this was 1973, but then again, on a number of tracks, Brian and Dave had differing opinions on where and when certain tracks were recorded. With the passing of time and general day to day recollections, the dates often varied. Personally, I don't believe Make What You Can is from the Roundhouse 13 Feb 1972, even if the link sounds the same. It's certainly much later. If you listen to, say, a selection of tapes from 1997, the links and such would sound identical, even with a few careful scrutinizing listens. As for the Jam from the Weird tape, this just has to differ from the Roadhawks version of Seeing It as You Really Are. Mind boggling stuff, and good luck to anyone ever trying to pinpoint the exact date of many of Hawkwind's live material. BTW. To make this point, the version of Flying Doctor (aka Drug Cabinet Key) that was on vol 3 of Friends and Relations. I got from Dave and Brian, either: 1. live in Europe, October 1977 2. USA, March 1978, or 3. Studio demo Summer 1978. Which is right??? Thought i'd get this in before it falls flat on its face. AND !!! Does anyone know what tracks are on the forthcoming Voiceprint CD of Greay Truckers? As for French meat. I heard someone on the news the other day saying there's absolutely no health risk from eating French cows that had been fed sewage. Are these people serious, or is this a new line in health foods now GM crops have been discredited? Beef on the bone with sewage sauce. A few weeks before that near Paddington, i also heard someone from the rail industry saying trains were safe. Obviously something we will all bare in mind chiefs. Then, we saw the British police steaming in on demonstrators waving Tibetan flags in London, which they subsequently confiscated, and were later given a gold star award from Home secretary Jack Straw. Yes Jacko, and we all remember what your son smokes. And if that wasn't enough, we in Britain are more than likely to pay even more money for a passport cos of a f**k up by the passport office during the Summer. Did we ask for the requirement of a passport in the first place? Well, that feels much better. All the best Age Visit the "Hawkeye on Hawkwind" website at: http://www.conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk/index.html From AgentOF at AOL.COM Thu Oct 28 18:33:04 1999 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 18:33:04 EDT Subject: BOC: an observation from a rookie Message-ID: >>new material from Buck Dharma (which presumably a CD from the Ricky Browning benefit concert is still in the works, but I haven't heard anything for awhile - you still out there Chuck?)<< Chuck still here, John ;-) There are songs mixed for the CD, but not the entire project (dang!) Astronomy especially kicks major ass. One reason the CD hasn't surfaced is that Ricky's story may surface in another media form...sorry, that's all I can say about that. (Sure would make a hell of a soundtrack;-) On the Danny/Joe debate, I heard one of Danny's new songs in Charlotte and it was pretty hot. Buck commented that his engineering/mixing skills had vastly improved... Joe still remains my favorite BOC songwriter. My alltime favorite concert moment was in 1983 when Joe stepped up to the Mike and belted out "Fallen Angel" in Alfred NY. chuck From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Oct 28 19:18:02 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 19:18:02 -0400 Subject: HW: Greasy Tracks, Meat, Trains and Tibet In-Reply-To: <000501bf2190$a6465e60$4e05883e@default> Message-ID: At 22.54 +0100 99-10-28, Adrian Parr wrote: >A few weeks before that near Paddington, i also heard someone from the rail >industry saying trains were safe. Yup, right after the report that revealed trains were missing signals left and right. In London at the time, I figured there'd be a disaster by NYE. I had too much faith. :( Is it my imagination, or has British rail service fallen apart since privatisation? On the other hand, Amtrak trains are so slow there could be a head-on collision and the passengers wouldn't even *know*, let alone be endangered ... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Fri Oct 29 01:13:59 1999 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 01:13:59 EDT Subject: OFF: MOTORHEAD/BOSTON 10/27/99 Message-ID: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: RMayo19761 at aol.com Subject: OFF: MOTORHEAD/BOSTON 10/27/99 Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 01:12:00 EDT Size: 3848 URL: From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Fri Oct 29 04:18:40 1999 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 02:18:40 -0600 Subject: Yes Message-ID: Get it. It's one of the prettiest pieces of Yes work I've heard in awhile. I've been trying my best to wear it out:) :) It has most definitely taken up permanent residence in my cd player!! Speaking of Yes, Anyone know anything about that really long "mystery track" at the end of "Open Your Eyes" ???? I can't find any info on it at all! Pam Chris Warburton wrote: > At 13:48 28/10/99 EDT, you wrote: > > > > >Wow, another Yes fan! I was planning to wait on the Ladder, given the > >unfortunate quality of most recent Yes offerings (and by "recent" I mean > >post-1980 :-). Now I'm looking forward to the album! :-) > > > >Steven Tice > > I like the old stuff too...like pre "Tormato" (& excluding the execrable > "...Topographic..." > > ChrisW -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace > > >4. Buck plays the same way since 1976.... which the more i think > > > about it, the worse it sounds. > > > > Hate to argue with the usually inspired Jason, but here, you're > dead >wrong. Buck's playing is currently at an all-time high, > esp. in the > > live shows. In the old days, BD could be pretty hit-or-miss at > > concerts. He might fluff certain parts of a song only to redeem > > [sic] himself with a great solo. Judging by what I've seen at > > concerts the last few years, BD is positively inspired in his > > playing > > throughout the shows. Only criticism I can muster being that > > sometimes his stage volume is too low, so that you can actually > > hear > > him better if you're further back in the crowd... The hit-or-miss thing is really apparent on recordings like Live 1976 (which still has to be my favourite BOC LP, wart'n'all) sometimes he shone, sometimes he'd fluff a section of a solo. He was just a little inconsistent. But I remember posting something a couple of years back saying Buck Dharma has lost it and can't play, or something to that effect, only to be met with a torrent of abuse, er, corrections. It's taken all this time for me to finally say this: I based my opinion on a bootleg I have from a gig in a speedway somewhere in the early 80's. There's barely a tracklist on it, but the drummer was obviously new, he didn't know the songs well, and Buck could not play. Full stop. It was horrible, every solo cut down to its bare bones and badly played bones at that. Even his rhythm playing was abysmal. I was very unhappy after the 1st listen, to the extent that now (about 5 years later) I've only listened to it twice. Exactly the same thing happened when I got a boot of the show ZZTop did in Hamburg, I think after Recycler, when they just said "tonight Matthew, we're finding our roots" and played a whole set of their early material, which was mostly songs they hadn't played for 15 years. I love their 1st five LP's the same way I love BOC's 1st 4, but when I listened to that CD of ZZTop's (IMHO) best material, I nearly wept. Billy Gibbons couldn't play for sh*t! He was terrible. And the band had no groove. Groove and Billy's playing were the two things that made them who they were, and they were gone. Aarrrggghh. So I'm really glad to hear that the 90's Buck is playing at peak again, he _is_ an awesome player after all. And the same goes for Billy Gibbons & Top, I saw them perform some tracks from Rhythmeen with some early stuff thrown in and they smoked. Sermon over. I'm glad I got that off my chest. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri Oct 29 00:33:21 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 04:33:21 +0000 Subject: BRAIN: Piece of Work Message-ID: > >Wow, another Yes fan! I was planning to wait on the Ladder, given the > >unfortunate quality of most recent Yes offerings (and by "recent" I mean > >post-1980 :-). Now I'm looking forward to the album! :-) > > > >Steven Tice > > I like the old stuff too...like pre "Tormato" (& excluding the execrable > "...Topographic..." > > ChrisW Hey, if you guys buy The Ladder, let me know what you think. I'd hate to think you bought it on my recommendation, only to find that you hated it. But if you're a Yes fan, my guess is you'll be happy. I was afraid to buy it myself. But I've come to develop a theory: For some reason, if it's got a Roger Dean cover, it'll be at least somewhat good. If not, TROUBLE!!! -- Nick From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Fri Oct 29 05:13:55 1999 From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:13:55 +0200 Subject: Gluecifer/norwegian bands (and a ref. to hawkwind ;) Message-ID: right on :-) ...we've got a large variety of terrible bands in norway - most notably the *yawn/sigh* black-metal-church-burnin'-rabbit-sacrifying bands... but we've - at least - got 1 great band, that i think you folks should check out, namely motorpsycho (NOT the us band of the same name, mind u) ...loooong jams, droning riffs and swooping electronic noises ..shall we say a cross between hawkwind (they used to play half hour jams on "shouldn't do that" in between songs), sonic youth and the who? ...well, that was slightly off topic, but i think i deserved the chance to answer ...i'll stick to the topic hereafter ;-) ketil svendsen, norway > Subject: Re: Gluecifer > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:11:27 +0200 > From: "Bart Brugmans (aka Gekke Henkie)" > > Gluecifer also makes this sleazy rock'n'roll that norway is famous > of. > > --BArt From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Fri Oct 29 05:29:17 1999 From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:29:17 +0200 Subject: "space is deep" Message-ID: according to the ill. coll. guide to 'wind (by robert godwin), there are 3 different live version of "space is deep" (listed as "space" 1-3, so i hope there's no confusion between the calvert intro and the song itself") space (live 1) on "space ritual" (cd/lp) and on "stasis" (cd/lp) space (live 2) on "live" cd (sigh) and SR vol 2 space (live 3) on the cheap cd Hell; anthology/set, acid daze 3/set, the best and the rest of.., british tribal music, collection (cd/lp) ...and maybe - i'll have to check into this - live version 2 &3 are just different mixes of each other, keeping live version 1 outta this.... hm..i'll have to dig out my record player (it's been hidden under way to many small, shiny discs ...new gf - i have had to "behave" myself ;-) ketil svendsen, norway > Subject: Re: "space is deep" > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:27:24 +0100 > From: M Holmes > > DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: > > > In a message dated 10/28/99 8:36:06 AM, flossbac at NLCI.COM writes: > > > > << Nope, the "Space is Deep" on Roadhawks is taken from Space Ritual. >> > > ====== > > um, hang on a sec. > > wasnt the "Doremi" studio version on ROADHAWKS? > > Space Is Deep > 1 Doremi Fasol Latido > 1 Roadhawks > 1 The Best of Hawkwind [EMI Metal Classics cassette] > 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] > 1 Epoch Eclipse 30 Year Anthology > L 2 Space Ritual Alive > L 2 Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73 > L 2 British Tribal Music > L 2 Stasis > L 2 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II CD > L 2 Acid Daze Vol. III > L 2 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. III > L 2 The Hawkwind Anthology 1967-1982 [Castle 2CD] > L 2 The Hawkwind Collection > L 2 The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind > L 2 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] > L 2 Best of Hawkwind > L 2 Space Is Deep > L 2 Live & Rare (Onward Flies The Bird) > L 2 Master of the Universe [Pulse CD] > L 2 Silver Machine CD [Hallmark compilation] > 3 Strange Trips And Pipe Dreams {Space} > From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Fri Oct 29 06:38:33 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans (aka Gekke Henkie)) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:38:33 +0200 Subject: OFF: ATR Message-ID: Went to Atari Teenage Riot last night. 60 minutes of noise, screeming, rioting, revolution, strobe lights, moshing and stage diving. Now, back to work worring about my pension ;-) --BArt From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Oct 29 06:48:30 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:48:30 +0100 Subject: ATR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Went to Atari Teenage Riot last night. > > 60 minutes of noise, screeming, rioting, revolution, strobe lights, > moshing and stage diving. > Thought you'd enjoy it! :) --Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Fri Oct 29 07:53:57 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:53:57 +0900 Subject: OFF: This is getting silly Message-ID: Is there some sort of rare planetary conjunction on December the 5th? Hawkwind at Brixton, Ozrics at the Astoria, Roy Harper in Brighton. Where did I put that cloning kit .... From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Fri Oct 29 07:56:55 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:56:55 +0900 Subject: ATR Message-ID: I'm having a hard time equating all this raving to the ATR I saw at the Fuji Rocks festival this year. They were almost sedate. (Only almost.) Seems like I'm going to have to see them in a smaller venue. Andy Gilham wrote: > > Went to Atari Teenage Riot last night. > > > > 60 minutes of noise, screeming, rioting, revolution, strobe lights, > > moshing and stage diving. > > > > Thought you'd enjoy it! :) > > --Andy > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Fri Oct 29 08:02:19 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans (aka Gekke Henkie)) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:02:19 +0200 Subject: OFF: This is getting silly In-Reply-To: <38198AD5.ABE4216C@virgin.net> Message-ID: > Is there some sort of rare planetary conjunction on December No, but it is Sinterklaas in the Netherlands! > the 5th? Hawkwind at Brixton, Ozrics at the Astoria, Roy Hawkwind was off, I believe. So you only have to choose between two things now! > Harper in Brighton. Where did I put that cloning kit .... --BArt From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Oct 29 08:03:21 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 13:03:21 +0100 Subject: ATR In-Reply-To: <38198B86.ED6335B7@virgin.net> Message-ID: > > I'm having a hard time equating all this raving to the ATR I saw > at the Fuji > Rocks festival this year. They were almost sedate. (Only almost.) Seems > like I'm going to have to see them in a smaller venue. > If they weren't loud enough, then there probably wouldn't have been much point to them. In the tiny confines of the LA2, with some rather impressive PA stacks, however, that just wasn't a problem! On the contrary - Me and Tim both thought, before they came on, that we'd need to work our way to the front for full enjoyment, but the entire ground floor became one big mosh pit from the word go. Or that should be, the words "GO!! GO!! GO!! GO!!! ACTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" --Andy ObCD: 90? South - _The Barrier Silence_ (a little bit calmer!) mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Fri Oct 29 08:05:34 1999 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (Sonique) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 22:05:34 +1000 Subject: HW: Complete 79 Message-ID: Hi Folks, I just noticed on my backorder for the new HW CD's that the title of "Complete 79" has suddenly changed to "Live 1982" with the same catalogue # etc. I've mailed the wholesaler to find out why, but chances are they won't know ... anyone out there in the know? S. -- sonique at sonique.net From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Fri Oct 29 08:43:19 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:43:19 -0400 Subject: BOC: an observation from a rookie Message-ID: > On the Danny/Joe debate, I heard one of Danny's new songs in Charlotte and it was pretty hot. Great - I hope something materializes from him on the next BOC effort. > > Joe still remains my favorite BOC songwriter. My alltime favorite concert moment was in 1983 when Joe stepped up to the Mike and belted out "Fallen Angel" in Alfred NY. Joe's tunes are somewhat hit and miss for me (as much as they can be for a fan that likes every BOC track to some degree). There are some that I think are cool but not among my favorite BOC tunes, and there are some that just blow me away. BTW, I just got a video of Joe Bouchard teaching some fundamentals of rock bass. It's very much geared to a beginner, and is only about 40 minutes long, but it is pretty cool. > But I remember posting something a couple of years back saying Buck Dharma > has lost it and can't play, or something to that effect, only to be met with > a torrent of abuse, er, corrections. It's taken all this time for me to > finally say this: I based my opinion on a bootleg I have from a gig in a > speedway somewhere in the early 80's. There's barely a tracklist on it, but > the drummer was obviously new, he didn't know the songs well, and Buck could > not play. Full stop. It was horrible, every solo cut down to its bare > bones and badly played bones at that. Even his rhythm playing was abysmal. > I was very unhappy after the 1st listen, to the extent that now (about 5 > years later) I've only listened to it twice. This wouldn't be the "Still Ticking/Fighting/Fiction" bootleg? It's a vinyl boot with only about 7 songs, recorded in England in 1981 - at least a few of the tracks may be with Rick Downey in one of his first performances with the band. BTW, if this is it, and you don't want it, I'd be interested in talking trades... > So I'm really glad to hear that the 90's Buck is playing at peak again, he > _is_ an awesome player after all. Yes, I think Buck probably is still somewhat hit or miss in his playing -- the difference is now when he's "missing", he's playing pretty hot; and when he's "hitting", he blows you away. The thing I notice is that he appears much more "fluid" in his playing these days, where musical ideas seem to flow together much more seamlessly. John From mordru at FLITE.NET Fri Oct 29 08:49:34 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:49:34 -0400 Subject: Yes Message-ID: >Get it. It's one of the prettiest pieces of Yes work I've heard in awhile. >I've been trying my best to wear it out:) :) It has most definitely taken up >permanent residence in my cd player!! >Speaking of Yes, Anyone know anything about that really long "mystery track" >at the end of "Open Your Eyes" ???? I can't find any info on it at all! >Pam According to the cover of my "Homeworld" game (which is stunning BTW, the 3-d is immensely fun just to move around and observe in) Yes did the soundtrack for the game... or at least part of it. not sure what. "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random =============== Andrew Apold From jgoran at TELEBOT.COM Fri Oct 29 09:28:14 1999 From: jgoran at TELEBOT.COM (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:28:14 +0100 Subject: Yes In-Reply-To: <3819585F.8F85862@TransWestTaxi.com> Message-ID: Cliff and Pam Wheaton wrote in <3819585F.8F85862 at TransWestTaxi.com>: >Speaking of Yes, Anyone know anything about that really long "mystery track" >at the end of "Open Your Eyes" ???? I can't find any info on it at all! >From http://yesworld.com/discog/OYE.html : Track 11 is followed by approximately 25 minutes of 'ambient Open Your Eyes' featuring segments of the entire album. The same track was played before each concert during the 97-98 tours of North America and Europe. -- Goran From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Fri Oct 29 09:09:30 1999 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:09:30 +0100 Subject: OFF : Re: Gluecifer/norwegian bands (and NO ref. to hawkwind! Message-ID: Turbonegro are without doubt the greatest Norwegian band! Well, they *were* until they split. A great mix of Motorhead, Dictators, Ramones, Poison Idea, Stooges... and all dressed up in brand new denim too :) Dave >right on :-) ...we've got a large variety of terrible bands in norway - most notably the *yawn/sigh* black-metal-church-burnin'-rabbit-sacrifying bands... but we've - at least - got 1 great band, that i think you folks should check out, namely motorpsycho (NOT the us band of the >same name, mind u) ...loooong jams, droning riffs and swooping electronic noises ..shall we say a cross between hawkwind (they used to play half hour jams on "shouldn't do that" in between songs), sonic youth and the who? ...well, that was slightly off topic, but i think i deserved the >chance to answer ...i'll stick to the topic hereafter ;-) > >ketil svendsen, >norway > >> Subject: Re: Gluecifer >> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:11:27 +0200 >> From: "Bart Brugmans (aka Gekke Henkie)" >> >> Gluecifer also makes this sleazy rock'n'roll that norway is famous >> of. >> >> --BArt > > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 29 09:23:14 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:23:14 +0100 Subject: OFF: Meat, Trains In-Reply-To: Adrian Parr's message of Thu, 28 Oct 1999 22:54:48 +0100 Message-ID: Sorry folks, but I just can't let it pass... Adrian Parr writes: > As for French meat. I heard someone on the news the other day saying there's > absolutely no health risk from eating French cows that had been fed sewage. > Are these people serious, or is this a new line in health foods now GM crops > have been discredited? GM is unpopular with folks who don't understand science. However there's scant to zero actual evidence that genetic enhancement of crops causes any more harm than the other unnatural means such as monoculture, hybridisation and mutation selection that's been used for thousands of years. There's considerable evidence that genetically enhanced crops provide better yeilds and are less harmful to the environment because they require less fertiliser and insecticides. People are of course free to choose their own foods for emotional rather than scientific reasons but the rest of us should also be free to choose to eat genetically enhanced crops. > A few weeks before that near Paddington, i also heard someone from the rail > industry saying trains were safe. In which case they were absolutely correct. Trains are twice as safe as aeroplanes per passenger mile and an order of magnitude safer that cars. > Then, we saw the British police steaming in on demonstrators waving Tibetan > flags in London, which they subsequently confiscated, and were later given a > gold star award from Home secretary Jack Straw. I vote we use the Tibetan flag to protest visits from New Nanny dignitaries in future. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 29 11:19:39 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:19:39 +0100 Subject: Space is Deep Message-ID: I lost the message I was replying to. Sorry. Anyway, our Codex entry is: Space Is Deep 1 Doremi Fasol Latido 1 Roadhawks 1 The Best of Hawkwind [EMI Metal Classics cassette] 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 1 Epoch Eclipse 30 Year Anthology L 2 Space Ritual Alive L 2 Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73 L 2 British Tribal Music L 2 Stasis L 2 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II CD L 2 Acid Daze Vol. III L 2 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. III L 2 The Hawkwind Anthology 1967-1982 [Castle 2CD] L 2 The Hawkwind Collection L 2 The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind L 2 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 2 Best of Hawkwind L 2 Space Is Deep L 2 Live & Rare (Onward Flies The Bird) L 2 Master of the Universe [Pulse CD] L 2 Silver Machine CD [Hallmark compilation] 3 Strange Trips And Pipe Dreams {Space} The message commented that Rob Godwin had another live entry in his Codex, possibly for Space Ritual II. Our Codex has "Space" on SRII as really being "Electronic Number One". If we've got it wrong then certainly we should change the Codex entries but I'm not convinced that in this case, we are. FoFP From bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET Fri Oct 29 10:50:29 1999 From: bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET (Brian Halligan) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:50:29 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Piece of Work, and other tBS stuff In-Reply-To: <3818510E.297B509C@mitre.org> Message-ID: The FAQman sayeth, >> Starting off an album with an acapella tune, > >My first reaction was kind of a "What the f#$%?" when I heard that - >guess I wanted another *Trepanation* kind of a start (i.e. with "Gimme >Nothin'). But, after listening to this song a few times, I decided that >it was much more appropriate at the beginning of the album, than >sandwiched somewhere in the middle. One of Deb's finest vocal moments >on the album, I might add. I guess Biloxi didn't shock me as much, because I already knew it was a mellow tune. You're right though, Gimme Nothin', (and St.Vitus, and Needle Gun) are all great album openers. I'm sure that when the band hits the road again, they won't open with Biloxi. :-) >> I think Al's drums are "turned-up" on PoW too. They're much more obvious >> than on Trep. or even BoH. And that's the way I like it. The rhythm on Bad >> Hair Day and Prince Albert are a lot of fun to groove to. > >I think you are right. I may have even commented on *Trepanation* that >the guitars were so up-front that the drums and bass (probably >especially the bass) needed to be louder. It was less the case on *Box >Of Hammers*, and now on *Piece Of Work* the drums and the bass seem even >more prominent. A lot of my favorite albums have a prominent rhythm section. I think the BOC album that comes closest to the mix of PoW is FoUO. That's my favorite "sounding" BOC record. You can hear it on Dark Side of the Moon too, and the album by Dire Straights w/ Sultan of Swing, et al. >> I've had the melody to More Than Truth in my head lately. Now there's a >> radio-friendly tune in a mid-'80s vein. > >Yes, but I think "Confession #9" could get radio airplay in the 90s. I think you're right. It has a modern rhythm to it. >> PoW is definately my favorite Surgeons album. > >I'm not sure tBS will ever top *Trepanation* for me, but I do really >like PoW. I'd like Trepanation better if the mix was more like PoW. I think it has some of the best Surgeons tunes (Give Me Nothin', Medusa, Kiss, My Civilization, Ramblin', but also some I routinely skip: Everything is Blue, Bad Habit, Stones in my Passway....) I don't skip anything on PoW. Of course, the best solution to this is to make a personal Best-Of tape of all the albums. Which I've done! Brian From dhira.lalita at VIRGIN.NET Fri Oct 29 11:46:18 1999 From: dhira.lalita at VIRGIN.NET (Dhira Lalita) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:46:18 +0100 Subject: Unsubscribe Message-ID: unsubscribe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From StevenTice at AOL.COM Fri Oct 29 12:17:27 1999 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:17:27 EDT Subject: Yes Message-ID: In a message dated 10/29/99 9:04:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jgoran at TELEBOT.COM writes: << Track 11 is followed by approximately 25 minutes of 'ambient Open Your Eyes' featuring segments of the entire album. The same track was played before each concert during the 97-98 tours of North America and Europe. >> It's a bunch of nature sounds occasionally interspersed with a cappella vocals from the various songs...these vocal arrangements are often different from those on the actual songs. Rather than sit through a minute of nature sounds before each brief vocal segment, I transferred the whole thing to tape, fading in and out before each vocal segment. :-) Steven Tice From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Fri Oct 29 14:35:03 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Zeitgeist) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 19:35:03 +0100 Subject: OFF: Godspeed You Black Emperor Message-ID: Have been mentioned a few times, and are currently occuping two pages of the November 99 isue of Record Collecter magazine. Stuart NP: Kaliphz - Seven Deadly Sins Blessings and peace from all at; Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground - e-zine and freezine http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com alternate url: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van Vliet From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Oct 29 14:31:59 1999 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:31:59 PDT Subject: BOC: Imaginos at Second Spin Message-ID: Hi kids....... Just stepping out of LURK mode real quick like to let you folks know that second spin (www.secondspin.com) just got in one used copy of IMAGINOS for 3.99. I know this is a hard one to find. Second spin are great to deal with, I've purchased many things through them. Even their shipping and handling rates are pretty cheap. Enjoy!!! Gone Lurkin'........... Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos *********************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Oct 29 14:47:40 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 19:47:40 +0100 Subject: OFF: BOC-L tape trade 1999 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991028002831.00827e00@mail.clara.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Oct 1999, Chris Warburton wrote: > I'm still waiting for number 3 - I fear Mr. Jarrett may have something to > do with the delay! Not guilty I assure you! I have transmitted onward to Rus Tape No. 1, and await Tape 2. Alas, I fear the link may be broken there, because I haven't seen Andy Apold post for many months... Yours, Jon From AgentOF at AOL.COM Fri Oct 29 14:55:50 1999 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:55:50 EDT Subject: BOC: an observation from a rookie Message-ID: But I remember posting something a couple of years back saying Buck Dharma > has lost it and can't play, or something to that effect, only to be met with> a torrent of abuse, er, corrections. A lot of people have emailed me that seeing Before The Kiss (A Redcap) on the BDB video opens their eyes to how good Buck is playing lately. chuck From mordru at FLITE.NET Fri Oct 29 15:25:08 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 15:25:08 -0400 Subject: OFF: BOC-L tape trade 1999 Message-ID: >On Thu, 28 Oct 1999, Chris Warburton wrote: > >> I'm still waiting for number 3 - I fear Mr. Jarrett may have something to >> do with the delay! > > Not guilty I assure you! I have transmitted onward to Rus Tape No. >1, and await Tape 2. Alas, I fear the link may be broken there, because I >haven't seen Andy Apold post for many months... Yours, I'm here. And I just realized a tragic error. I got a message about how the tape I sent out got accidentally erased, could I send it again. I somehow assumed this was the next person in the list. So I loaded up not only my extra copy of that tape, but my entire backlog of tape trade tapes as well and sent them off to Rus. Which means apparently I have just bypassed you. My apologies, I should've checked. Uh, if need be I'll cover postage to get them back to where they belonged or stuff. "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random =============== Andrew Apold From jgoran at TELEBOT.COM Fri Oct 29 17:10:40 1999 From: jgoran at TELEBOT.COM (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 22:10:40 +0100 Subject: BOC: an observation/BOC tribute? In-Reply-To: <3816FCA2.B8D32702@mitre.org> Message-ID: John A. Swartz wrote in <3816FCA2.B8D32702 at mitre.org>: >> 4. Buck plays the same way since 1976.... which the more i think about >> it, the worse it sounds. > >I know this was Albert's impression, but I disagree. His playing Ahem, not Meltzer's? -- Goran From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Oct 29 16:17:12 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:17:12 -0400 Subject: Gluecifer/norwegian bands (and a ref. to hawkwind ;) In-Reply-To: <3819654D.D554BC8C@fiskaren.nhst.no> Message-ID: Speaking of Norwegian bands, I thought We, who opened for Masters of Reality in London back in September, were a good solid guitar band in that "stoner" (excuse me: heavy groove rock ;) vein. I bought their latest album, and even still like it :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Fri Oct 29 18:39:50 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 17:39:50 -0500 Subject: BOC: an observation/BOC tribute? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 10:10 PM 10/29/99 +0100, you wrote: >> >>I know this was Albert's impression, but I disagree. His playing > >Ahem, not Meltzer's? >From the discussion on the Meltzer "review" of a BOC show he went to a while back (in the 90's): >Meltzer's ear for music is obviously affected by his personal issues >with the band. While BOC fans all over acknowledge how much better of a >guitar player Buck has become over the years, Meltzer writes "Buck's >playing was identical to what it was in '76..." Give me a break! [Albert wrote:] He was always a good picker. I can't hear much difference either. On the related issue of the Joe Bouchard teaching vid, has anyone ever seen a copy of his guitar instruction book? Back to Buck, what i always enjoyed about his guitar soloing style was that it had this neat lil' country shred feel in the early BOC work. Round Mirrors (The Vigil esp.) and moreso on Cultosaurus, the "spiderlike" Buck solo seemed to appear in my ear. I don't know... I know that The guitar solo on "stairway to the stars" on live 1976 woulv'de been Awesome except for one attempt at a scale like thing after teh chukBerry/blues one-note hammering section (yeah, now that's musical terminology). Signed DC (a la Frond), Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From jgoran at TELEBOT.COM Sat Oct 30 06:19:00 1999 From: jgoran at TELEBOT.COM (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 11:19:00 +0100 Subject: OFF: Yes/Ladder In-Reply-To: <199910290828.EAA02147@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: wrote in <199910290828.EAA02147 at junior.srt.net>: >I was afraid to buy it myself. But I've come to develop a theory: >For some reason, if it's got a Roger Dean cover, it'll be at least >somewhat good. If not, TROUBLE!!! :-) This reminds me to the recent discussion of the cover/contents relation. Still, I have somewhat to disagree here. Onion (sorry, Union) had Dean's cover, and was far worse than Talk and Open Your Eyes (I like them both, though nothing spectacular). And, don't forget that Roger Dean is one of the culprits in the Asia(n) atrocities. Same for ABWH combo. To make it clearer, there are good Dean's covers, and there are obnoxiously kitschy Dean's covers, and they usually reflect the contents. The Ladder's one looks decent, so I believe your word, and buy it ASAP. (I would do it anyway ;-) ) -- Goran From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Sat Oct 30 09:14:27 1999 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (Sonique) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 23:14:27 +1000 Subject: HW: Complete 79 Message-ID: On 29 Oct 99, at 22:05, Sonique wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I just noticed on my backorder for the new HW CD's that the title of > "Complete 79" has suddenly changed to "Live 1982" with the same catalogue # > etc. I've mailed the wholesaler to find out why, but chances are they won't > know ... anyone out there in the know? This is the answer: > RE: HAWKWIND - COMPLETE 79 > Sorry, but this title was wrong in our system. > ''LIVE 1982'' is the right title. > Tracks: > 01: SHOT DOWN IN THE NIGHT > 02: MOTORWAY CITY > 03: SPIRIT OF THE AGE > 04: URBAN GUERILLA > 05: WHO'S GONNA WIN THE WAR > 06: WORLD OF TEARS > CD2: > 01: NEW JERUSALEM > 02: LIGHT HOUSE > 03: BRIANSTORM > 04: SATALITE > 05: PXR 5 > 06: MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE > 07: SILVER MACHINE > 08: LEVIATION S. -- The email address ---> sonique at sonique.net The current project ---> http://sonique.net.house The bank balance ---> In the red :) From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Sat Oct 30 11:02:52 1999 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 16:02:52 +0100 Subject: HW: Complete 79 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 14:14 30/10/99 , Sonique wrote: >> RE: HAWKWIND - COMPLETE 79 >> Sorry, but this title was wrong in our system. >> ''LIVE 1982'' is the right title. >> Tracks: >> 01: SHOT DOWN IN THE NIGHT >> 02: MOTORWAY CITY >> 03: SPIRIT OF THE AGE >> 04: URBAN GUERILLA >> 05: WHO'S GONNA WIN THE WAR >> 06: WORLD OF TEARS It's an ocean world, obviously >> CD2: >> 01: NEW JERUSALEM >> 02: LIGHT HOUSE Next to the Dark House... >> 03: BRIANSTORM It's raining men! >> 04: SATALITE of lurve >> 05: PXR 5 >> 06: MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE >> 07: SILVER MACHINE >> 08: LEVIATION Or the art of raising bread... Dave. Dave Berry, www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~daveb From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Oct 30 12:26:20 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 12:26:20 EDT Subject: HW: Complete 79 (optional 'well, duh' ) Message-ID: In a message dated 10/30/99 11:16:48 AM, daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK writes: << At 14:14 30/10/99 , Sonique wrote: >> RE: HAWKWIND - COMPLETE 79 >> Sorry, but this title was wrong in our system. >> ''LIVE 1982'' is the right title. =================================================================== >> be that as it may, the contents are a 79 tour setlist. i have several tapes of this tour. if the drummer sounds like (genuflect) simon king ==nnnngggghhhh==== NO! I CAN'T GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN! ^_~ honest, if those cd's have those songs in that order, then it's from that late-79 tour. so the error is that it's apparently been dated 1982. "<>" From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Sat Oct 30 11:17:29 1999 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 16:17:29 +0100 Subject: OFF: Meat, Trains In-Reply-To: <199910291323.OAA03939@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 14:23 29/10/99 , M Holmes wrote: >Sorry folks, but I just can't let it pass... > >GM is unpopular with folks who don't understand science. I accept that there's a great deal of mistrust of science in the anti-GM feeling around. Perhaps if the food industry had done a better job over previous food scares, people would trust them more. >However there's >scant to zero actual evidence that genetic enhancement of crops causes >any more harm than the other unnatural means such as monoculture, >hybridisation and mutation selection that's been used for thousands of >years. Well, there was the scientist chappie who experimented with GM potatoes and rats. His work was vilified at the time, but he recently got a paper through peer review, so maybe there is something there. And I don't buy the comparison with hybridisation. GM allows far greater manipulation than previous techniques could ever have made possible. That's the whole point of it, after all. Not to mention that monoculture has its critics, too. >There's considerable evidence that genetically enhanced crops >provide better yields and are less harmful to the environment because >they require less fertiliser and insecticides. That depends on the particular modification. I suspect that lumping all GM foods together is like treating all drugs the same. Some modifications make plants more resistant to pesticides, so you can use pesticides more freely, which isn't good for the environment. And I think there's very little evidence of how GM crops behave in the real world, as opposed to the lab. >People are of course free >to choose their own foods for emotional rather than scientific reasons >but the rest of us should also be free to choose to eat genetically >enhanced crops. Which was hardly the stance taken by the GM industry, which campaigned long and hard against having GM products labelled as such. Which just inspired mistrust, of course. >In which case they were absolutely correct. Trains are twice as safe as >aeroplanes per passenger mile and an order of magnitude safer that cars. Again, I agree that it's false to say that trains are "unsafe" (implying less safe than other forms of transport) just because a major disaster occurs. Imagine if the highways authority were held responsible for every road death... But the statistic of accidents per passenger mile is useless. What I care about is the risk I undertake per journey, not per mile. Of course aeroplanes are safest per mile; if they weren't then given the distances they cover they'd be falling out of the skies like Starfighters! Dave. Dave Berry, www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~daveb From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Oct 30 14:06:39 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 19:06:39 +0100 Subject: [stonerrock] Hawkwind in Mojo Magazine (fwd) Message-ID: From the other list - nice little piece of journalism ;-) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:17:24 +1000 From: "Nixon, Josh" Reply-To: stonerrock at onelist.com To: "'stonerrock at onelist.com'" Subject: [stonerrock] Hawkwind in Mojo Magazine From: "Nixon, Josh" I'm not really a fan or anything and if the recent discussion included this I apologise - But check this out dudes for a "keen" night out. The first four paragraphs - Written by Mick Wall appearing in Mojo magazine # 10 September 99 "Me and Dikmik had been up for four days, right, on Dexedrine spansules, so we're pretty well bent" Lemmy explains. "But we had this gig at the Roundhouse - the one where we recorded Silver Machine - so we had a couple of Mandrax to calm down. Then it got a bit so we had two black bombers each. "We get to the Roundhouse and somebody comes in with a lot of bombers and we take 10 each - a lot. Then someone comes up with some Mandrax and we were getting very twisted up by now so had at least three each to calm us down again. Then somebody came up with cocaine, fucking bags of it, and we thought we'd have some of that. All this time in the dressing room there is constant smoking - we were all blasted out of our heads on dope. And people were producing acid and mescaline. We all had some of that. "By the time we come to go on stage me and Dikmik are stiff as boards. I said, I can't move, I said Can you? Dikmik said , "No. Fucking great isn't it? I said, What are we going to do when we can't play? He said We'll think of something..." "The gig itself was INCREDIBLE," Hawkwind manager Doug Smith shakes his head in disbelief nearly 25 years later. "But that was the thing about Hawkwind. You never really knew how out of it they were because they were like that ALL THE TIME. it was insane! I think we were insane for a long time..." JJ NP: Mr Bungle California --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Was the salesman clueless? Productopia has the answers. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Community email addresses: Post message: stonerrock at onelist.com Subscribe: stonerrock-subscribe at onelist.com Unsubscribe: stonerrock-unsubscribe at onelist.com List owner: stonerrock-owner at onelist.com Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.onelist.com/community/stonerrock From rpmanny at SPRYNET.COM Sat Oct 30 14:43:24 1999 From: rpmanny at SPRYNET.COM (Richard Manny) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 14:43:24 -0400 Subject: BOC: an observation from a rookie Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Friday, October 29, 1999 3:02 PM Subject: Re: BOC: an observation from a rookie >But I remember posting something a couple of years back saying Buck Dharma >> has lost it and can't play, or something to that effect, only to be met >with> a torrent of abuse, er, corrections. > >A lot of people have emailed me that seeing Before The Kiss (A Redcap) on the BDB video opens their eyes to how good Buck is playing lately. > >chuck Unsolicited opinion and observation mode ON... One of the things that I have noticed is that in the early days, Buck or Eric would stop playing guitar if they were singing lead on some songs. Nowadays, I don't see Buck or Eric doing this. I see them playing while singing and Buck, specifically, seems to be pushing the envelope on his playing and singing. Frankly, I think that his voice has improved over time and his guitar work really hits the mark. Unsolicited opinion and observation mode OFF... Richard From rpmanny at SPRYNET.COM Sat Oct 30 14:38:33 1999 From: rpmanny at SPRYNET.COM (Richard Manny) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 14:38:33 -0400 Subject: BOC: an observation from a rookie Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: John A. Swartz To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Friday, October 29, 1999 8:48 AM Subject: Re: BOC: an observation from a rookie SNIPPAGE > >BTW, I just got a video of Joe Bouchard teaching some fundamentals of >rock bass. It's very much geared to a beginner, and is only about 40 >minutes long, but it is pretty cool. > MORE SNIPPAGE > >John Dear John, Is this video available commercially, and if so, who, what, when, where, and how much (ya' know--the usual suspects)? Best, Richard From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sat Oct 30 14:52:57 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 19:52:57 +0100 Subject: OFF: This is getting silly In-Reply-To: <38198AD5.ABE4216C@virgin.net> Message-ID: At 20:53 29.10.1999 +0900, you wrote: >Is there some sort of rare planetary conjunction on December >the 5th? Hawkwind at Brixton, Ozrics at the Astoria, Roy >Harper in Brighton. Where did I put that cloning kit .... > I had the same problem about 3 weeks back...Alan Skidmore in Nottingham, Louis Moholo's Spirits Rejoice in Leicester and The Oyster Band/Jackie Leven in Derby on the same night...I chose Nottingham and the fates were with me - stunning music, drumkit demolition worthy of Moon the loon, and I found an old friend that I've been trying to track down for about five years! ChrisW "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sat Oct 30 14:38:28 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 19:38:28 +0100 Subject: HW: Greasy Tracks, Meat, Trains and Tibet In-Reply-To: <000501bf2190$a6465e60$4e05883e@default> Message-ID: At 22:54 28.10.1999 +0100, you wrote: > >Then, we saw the British police steaming in on demonstrators waving Tibetan >flags in London, which they subsequently confiscated, and were later given a >gold star award from Home secretary Jack Straw. >Yes Jacko, and we all remember what your son smokes. That's to make up for him being the only student of his era that didn't.... > >And if that wasn't enough, we in Britain are more than likely to pay even >more money for a passport cos of a f**k up by the passport office during the >Summer. >Did we ask for the requirement of a passport in the first place? I understand the principle of the passport (even if I don't really agree with it)...I don't understand why we have to pay for them...sur le continong (as we former ex-pats say) they just travel on their ID cards (though one colleague of mine forgot that he couldn't do that to goto the States..hee-hee...I understand the airport staff were MOST amused) > >Well, that feels much better. > >All the best >Age Nothing like a good purge, is there? ChrisW ObCD: Kip Hanrahan - Exotica "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sat Oct 30 14:59:26 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 19:59:26 +0100 Subject: OFF: BOC-L tape trade 1999 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 19:47 29.10.1999 +0100, you wrote: >On Thu, 28 Oct 1999, Chris Warburton wrote: > >> I'm still waiting for number 3 - I fear Mr. Jarrett may have something to >> do with the delay! > > Not guilty I assure you! I have transmitted onward to Rus Tape No. >1, and await Tape 2. Alas, I fear the link may be broken there, because I >haven't seen Andy Apold post for many months... Yours, > Jon > Sorry, no offense meant, I obviously mistook what you said a while ago about changes of address &c. and yours was the last tape I received. Cheers, ChrisW "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From tclark at PETRONET.NET Sun Oct 31 21:45:50 1999 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 20:45:50 -0600 Subject: Hawkwind sound clips Message-ID: Found this site recently: http://www.launch.com/SS/artist/fs_ArtistPage/1,2539,,00.html?destTarget=%2FSS%2Fartist%2FArtistContainer%2F0%2C2498%2C1011628%2C00%2Ehtml This has a listing of most HW albums....lots of soundclips are included (No full songs, but its pretty cool place to check out some of the stuff you may not have.......)