From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Mon Nov 1 07:14:27 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 07:14:27 -0500 Subject: OFF: BOC-L tape trade 1999 Message-ID: A thousand apologies to all. I have to admit it - I accidentally erased Andy's tape (only the first song actually) when I tried to copy it. Seems my new-fangled tape deck has a few interesting features that I was unaware of (read - have not completely read through the manual, yet). "A+B Recording", does not mean "Dub from A to B", it means copy onto tapes A AND B at the same time - doh!!! Anyway, I contacted A.A. to send me another copy of his tape so that I will not deprive you all of "Son of Shmillson". Again, a thousand apologies. > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Warburton [SMTP:desdinova at EARTHLING.NET] > Sent: Saturday, October 30, 1999 2:59 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: OFF: BOC-L tape trade 1999 > > At 19:47 29.10.1999 +0100, you wrote: > >On Thu, 28 Oct 1999, Chris Warburton wrote: > > > >> I'm still waiting for number 3 - I fear Mr. Jarrett may have something > to > >> do with the delay! > > > > Not guilty I assure you! I have transmitted onward to Rus Tape > No. > >1, and await Tape 2. Alas, I fear the link may be broken there, because I > >haven't seen Andy Apold post for many months... Yours, > > Jon > > > > Sorry, no offense meant, I obviously mistook what you said a while ago > about changes of address &c. and yours was the last tape I received. > > Cheers, > ChrisW > > "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - > Bierce From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Mon Nov 1 07:20:43 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 07:20:43 -0500 Subject: OFF: This is getting silly Message-ID: Sounds like you-all have it tough - me, I just have Blue Oyster Cult for 4 consecutive evenings (Boston MA/Winooski VT/Bridgewater MA/Ledyard CT). Woo Hoo - pinch me! > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Warburton [SMTP:desdinova at EARTHLING.NET] > Sent: Saturday, October 30, 1999 2:53 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: OFF: This is getting silly > > At 20:53 29.10.1999 +0900, you wrote: > >Is there some sort of rare planetary conjunction on December > >the 5th? Hawkwind at Brixton, Ozrics at the Astoria, Roy > >Harper in Brighton. Where did I put that cloning kit .... > > > I had the same problem about 3 weeks back...Alan Skidmore in Nottingham, > Louis Moholo's Spirits Rejoice in Leicester and The Oyster Band/Jackie > Leven in Derby on the same night...I chose Nottingham and the fates were > with me - stunning music, drumkit demolition worthy of Moon the loon, and > I > found an old friend that I've been trying to track down for about five > years! > > ChrisW > > "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - > Bierce From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Nov 1 07:32:41 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 07:32:41 EST Subject: OFF: BOC-L tape trade 1999 Message-ID: In a message dated 11/1/99 7:14:34 AM, russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM writes: << "Son of Shmillson". >> ======== if mem'ry serves there's a sweet and tender ballad on that lp about a good man's heartache sorta groundbreaking for its time but standard stuff these days..... >lolololol< ^_~ "<>" From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 1 08:13:44 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 13:13:44 GMT Subject: Two more boots around? Message-ID: I've seen listed: The Coming of Hawkwind (Live Newcastle '75) Agents of Chaos (London 1988?) Anyone know anything about these? Quality? FoFP From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Mon Nov 1 08:27:43 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:27:43 +0100 Subject: Two more boots around? In-Reply-To: <199911011313.NAA11112@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi Mike At 13:13 01.11.99 +0000, you wrote: >I've seen listed: > >The Coming of Hawkwind (Live Newcastle '75) >Anyone know anything about these? Quality? I've got it. It is from Newscastle 11.12.73 The quality is 5-6 Bernhard From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 1 08:30:10 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 13:30:10 GMT Subject: Two more boots around? In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:27:43 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hi Mike > > At 13:13 01.11.99 +0000, you wrote: > > >I've seen listed: > > > >The Coming of Hawkwind (Live Newcastle '75) > > >Anyone know anything about these? Quality? > > I've got it. > It is from Newscastle 11.12.73 > The quality is 5-6 Is there anything on it which would justify it being called something other than a beermat? FoFP From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Mon Nov 1 08:41:32 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 08:41:32 -0500 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 29 Oct 1999 to 30 Oct 1999 Message-ID: > > Turbonegro are without doubt the greatest Norwegian band! Well, they > *were* > until they split. A great mix of Motorhead, Dictators, Ramones, > Poison > Idea, Stooges... and all dressed up in brand new denim too :) > Hey, another BOC connection. The FAQ states: "The Norwegian band, Turbonegro, has an album titled *Never Is Forever*. According to the band, it is a tribute to BOC. No other information is currently known about this release." I'd love to get a bit more info about this album for the FAQ - has anyone heard this album? Does it make mention of BOC in lyrics or liner notes? Do they do a BOC cover? What is it about this album that makes it a "tribute to BOC"? John From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Mon Nov 1 08:50:38 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 08:50:38 -0500 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 30 Oct 1999 to 31 Oct 1999 Message-ID: > One of the things that I have noticed is that in the early days, Buck or > Eric would stop playing guitar if they were singing lead on some songs. > Nowadays, I don't see Buck or Eric doing this. I see them playing while > singing and Buck, specifically, seems to be pushing the envelope on his > playing and singing. Frankly, I think that his voice has improved over time > and his guitar work really hits the mark. Yes - I've looked at video footage from early 80s and this is definitely the case with Buck (he used to not play guitar when singing the verses to "Burnin' for You", for example). I think Eric still stops playing guitar when singing though. I believe Buck also took some singing lessons a few years back - when he had to handle a bit more of the lead vocals when Eric's voice went south for a bit. > > > >BTW, I just got a video of Joe Bouchard teaching some fundamentals of > >rock bass. It's very much geared to a beginner, and is only about 40 > >minutes long, but it is pretty cool. > > > Is this video available commercially, and if so, who, what, when, where, > and how much (ya' know--the usual suspects)? > I don't know. I got mine off an Ebay auction, and it is a tape dupe. I'm not complaining because as a fan of Joe it's a cool thing for me to have, but the only other problem with it is that the bass is too low in the mix (had to really crank the TV volume to hear it) - whether it is that way on the original or not I don't know. I know Joe has a GUITAR book that is commercially available, but I haven't previously seen any bass instruction material. John From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Mon Nov 1 10:04:13 1999 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 15:04:13 -0000 Subject: HW: Off - Tibet documentary Message-ID: Hello! I am trying to track down a documentary, mainly shown in the US, about the Dalai Lama and Tibet. The documentary was made by a US company called Lemle Pictures, Inc. They are based in New York. The documentary has 2 different titles, 1) His Time Has Come: The Story of His Holiness The Dalai Lama ("the Movie") 2) Compassion in Exile: The Story of the 14th Dalai Lama. I do not know if they are 2 separate programmes or the same one with different names. I think they were shown in England once years ago (about 1989) They were made either 88 or 89. I was interviewed for them wearing my Sergeant Bilko t-shirt! They also used a lot of my photographs. I have heard that they have been shown in USA a few times, I am not sure about other countries. I know its a bit of a long shot, but if anyone can help, it would be great. Thanks Kris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Mon Nov 1 11:17:02 1999 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:17:02 -0600 Subject: HW: Off - Tibet documentary Message-ID: >I am trying to track down a documentary, mainly shown in the US, about the Dalai Lama and Tibet. The documentary was made by a US company called Lemle Pictures, Inc. They are based in New York. The documentary has 2 different titles, >1) His Time Has Come: The Story of His Holiness The Dalai Lama ("the Movie") > >2) Compassion in Exile: The Story of the 14th Dalai Lama. > >I do not know if they are 2 separate programmes or the same one with different names. > >I think they were shown in England once years ago (about 1989) >They were made either 88 or 89. I was interviewed for them wearing my Sergeant Bilko t-shirt! They also used a lot of my photographs. >I have heard that they have been shown in USA a few times, I am not sure about other countries. >I know its a bit of a long shot, but if anyone can help, it would be great. The contact info I have is: Mickey Lemle - Lemle Pictures, Inc. 132 W. 31st St., Ste. 1611 NY 10001, USA tel.: (212) 736 9606 fax: (212) 736 9608 e-mail: lemlepix at worldnet.att.net I don't know how up-to-date it is, though. Frank -- Always forgive your enemies -- nothing annoys them so much. -- Oscar Wilde ============================================================ Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Nov 1 06:34:16 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:34:16 +0000 Subject: BOC sighting Message-ID: On VH-1's "Pop-Up Video" this weekend, they did a whole show on the songs from the Rocky Horror Picture Show. At the very beginning, during the opening song "Science Fiction", they were saying how Rocky Horror fans exhibit cult-like behavior. Then they started mentioning other cults, like the Branch Davidians, Heaven's Gate, the Jim Jones followers and finally. . . Blue Oyster Cult. They even had a little picture of the boys along with the text, but it happened so fast I couldn't see if it was an old or new lineup. -- Nick From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon Nov 1 11:55:52 1999 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:55:52 -0500 Subject: OFF: This is getting silly In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991030195257.00801210@mail.clara.net> Message-ID: On Sat, Oct 30, 1999 at 07:52:57PM +0100, Chris Warburton wrote: > At 20:53 29.10.1999 +0900, you wrote: > >Is there some sort of rare planetary conjunction on December > >the 5th? Hawkwind at Brixton, Ozrics at the Astoria, Roy > >Harper in Brighton. Where did I put that cloning kit .... > > > I had the same problem about 3 weeks back... Same kind of thing happened here. Roedelius played Toronto the same day as Bevis Frond. Turned out not to be a problem, though. Roedelius was a late-afternoon show (about 50 or 60 people, at the York University art gallery), so we didn't have to choose. There was even time for dinner between gigs :-) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / I'm going to change it, but it's going to take some time. - Linus Torvalds, on Windows's market leadership From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon Nov 1 12:20:16 1999 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:20:16 -0500 Subject: BOC sighting In-Reply-To: <199911011629.LAA08610@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 11:34:16AM +0000, wrote: > On VH-1's "Pop-Up Video" this weekend > [...] > they started mentioning > other cults, like the Branch Davidians, Heaven's Gate, the Jim Jones > followers and finally. . . Blue Oyster Cult. And they didn't mention the cultlike behaviour of us HW fans? Geez! -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / I'm going to change it, but it's going to take some time. - Linus Torvalds, on Windows's market leadership From micci at SCI.FI Mon Nov 1 13:08:47 1999 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:08:47 +0200 Subject: Two more boots around? Message-ID: Hi! >Hi Mike > >At 13:13 01.11.99 +0000, you wrote: > >>I've seen listed: >> >>The Coming of Hawkwind (Live Newcastle '75) > >>Anyone know anything about these? Quality? > >I've got it. >It is from Newscastle 11.12.73 >The quality is 5-6 More information, please! Is this CD-R? Any label? Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Mon Nov 1 16:00:09 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:00:09 +0100 Subject: Two more boots around? In-Reply-To: <199911011330.NAA16796@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi At 13:30 01.11.99 +0000, you wrote: >> I've got it. >> It is from Newscastle 11.12.73 >> The quality is 5-6 > >Is there anything on it which would justify it being called >something other than a beermat? :-))) Nice cover and an average gig but a crap quality Just an item for collectors Bernhard From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Nov 1 18:16:46 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:16:46 -0500 Subject: OFF: Another planned US SpaceRock Festy Message-ID: Hi Folks... I told you about plans for QuarkStock 2K here in Columbus next spring (Memorial Day weekend...May 27-28), but now there's a band (Nebula Trip) from Hartford, CT that wants to do the same thing up there in New England. I'm listening to their tape right now (first time I've heard them), and it seems pretty cool. Anyway, they're looking for interested bands to perform at this thing, so that they can come up with a venue and date, etc. So Marc, Larry, et al., you might wanna dial up this URL and give 'em a shout. Tell Doug and Greg/Paul also if you can. I've already warned them not to conflict with Quarkstock or NEARFest. As it is, there might be a little too much coincidence as there is. Go here...http://pages.prodigy.net/tjj6662 Keith H. (FAA) ObCD: Farflung - The Myth of Solid Ground From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Tue Nov 2 05:17:45 1999 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas Guy) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:17:45 -0000 Subject: HW: Bedouin Video Message-ID: Just thought I'd drop a quick line folks, to say that I've still got two copies of the Bedouin video left. (filmed last year with Sean on guitar) if anybody is still interested? Guy Thomas From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 2 07:03:53 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:03:53 GMT Subject: Two more boots around? In-Reply-To: Miikka Wagner's message of Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:08:47 +0200 Message-ID: Miikka Wagner writes: > Hi! > > >Hi Mike > > > >At 13:13 01.11.99 +0000, you wrote: > > > >>I've seen listed: > >> > >>The Coming of Hawkwind (Live Newcastle '75) > > > >>Anyone know anything about these? Quality? > > > >I've got it. > >It is from Newscastle 11.12.73 > >The quality is 5-6 > > More information, please! Is this CD-R? Any label? All I have is these appearing on a list from someone. I'm pretty sure they're CD-R. FoFP From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Nov 2 07:29:15 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 07:29:15 EST Subject: are ya ready boots? start walkin'! Message-ID: In a message dated 11/2/99 7:04:13 AM, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: << All I have is these appearing on a list from someone. I'm pretty sure they're CD-R. FoFP >> really? it's been on cassette for awhile...are audience tapes such as this casually making the leap to CD-R? late '73 was a good period for HW, but this isnt the best possible live xample... "<>" From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Nov 2 09:59:34 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:59:34 -0500 Subject: are ya ready boots? start walkin'! In-Reply-To: <0.2f2fc7be.2550331b@aol.com> Message-ID: At 07.29 -0500 99-11-02, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: >In a message dated 11/2/99 7:04:13 AM, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: >>All I have is these appearing on a list from someone. I'm pretty sure >>they're CD-R. > >really? it's been on cassette for awhile...are audience tapes such as this >casually making the leap to CD-R? Dunno if this particular one has, but in general I think old tapes are migrating to CD-R. Consider: CD-writeable drives have become generally affordable and CD-Rs are rather cheaper than cassettes while holding more music and offering ostensibly better sound quality. I'm actually getting a bunch of audio CD-R Fairport boots in the mail now, and when I turned my friends at Cambridge onto Gov't Mule they started downloading MP3 files and burning them onto CD-Rs to pass around among themselves. Gotta get some of those now that I have a machine that will read them! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Nov 2 10:00:57 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:00:57 -0500 Subject: HW: Bedouin, on guitar? In-Reply-To: <997CDAC4BBC5D211BE0B0008C70D298F67D514@lnnt47.london.entoil.com> Message-ID: At 10.17 +0000 99-11-02, Thomas Guy wrote: >Just thought I'd drop a quick line folks, to say that I've still got two >copies of the Bedouin video left. (filmed last year with Sean on guitar) if >anybody is still interested? Does this mean Sean is no longer on guitar? (I've been out of touch ...). If so, who *is* on guitar? (Damn, missed my chance to audition! ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Tue Nov 2 11:19:42 1999 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas Guy) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 16:19:42 -0000 Subject: Bedouin, on guitar? Message-ID: They have a new axe-man, called Glen Povey. He's not THE Glen Povey (Porcupine Tree's Road Manager) but yet another Glen Povey! That makes 3 Glen Poveys known in the business! Apparently, Sean was sacked as he couldn't be bothered to rehearse, or write new material - allegedly! Danny is pretty upset about the whole issue, as he really gets on well with Sean. Still it's Alan's band, and he pulls the strings. Guy T. -----Original Message----- From: Carl Edlund Anderson [mailto:cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK] Sent: 02 November 1999 15:01 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: HW: Bedouin, on guitar? At 10.17 +0000 99-11-02, Thomas Guy wrote: >Just thought I'd drop a quick line folks, to say that I've still got two >copies of the Bedouin video left. (filmed last year with Sean on guitar) if >anybody is still interested? Does this mean Sean is no longer on guitar? (I've been out of touch ...). If so, who *is* on guitar? (Damn, missed my chance to audition! ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Nov 2 09:36:27 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:36:27 +0000 Subject: OFF:(?) MOTORHEAD SHOW 10/27 In-Reply-To: <009701bf211d$29b81000$3d01a8c0@tpd.co.uk> Message-ID: At 09:19 28.10.1999 +0100, you wrote: >GLUECIFER!!! FANTASTIC NAME!!! Tell me more! > >Cheers, > >Rich. In Virgin (Nottingham) on Friday I saw a CD that was half Hellacopters & half Gluecifer, can't remember the title. ChrisW NP: John Zorn - Naked City "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Nov 2 09:46:51 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:46:51 +0000 Subject: an observation from a rookie In-Reply-To: <021b01bf214b$4d7aa3d0$3d01a8c0@tpd.co.uk> Message-ID: At 14:49 28.10.1999 +0100, you wrote: >> >> >> >> Speaking of which, Rich, Helen says that her boobs say "Hello" ('scuse the >> >> bad poetry...) >> > >> >Errr... Now I'm getting worried. Do I know Helen? >> > >> >(Sounds like me tho') :-) >> > >> >Cheers, >> > >> >Rich. >> >> Substantial blonde babe who came to the Astoria with me for BOC - but I >> think you were as pissed as I was! >> ChrisW > >Nope - no recollection I'm afraid. And yes, I think I was. Send a pic!! >:-) And Helen wrote: > Well, that's the last time i kiss one of your friends - nice to know > I was that memorable!!!! He liked my tits at the time enough to want > to kiss me!!!!! (Mind you - you did say i should!) But now he doesn't > even remember me - MEN!!! >--rude bit snipped --< > Maybe you should send a photo to show him what a splendid woman he is > missing!!!!! So here it is. Cheers, ChrisW -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: helenphoto.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 44263 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Nov 2 11:56:05 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:56:05 EST Subject: behold the SPLENDOR ^_~ Message-ID: In a message dated 11/2/99 11:25:20 AM, desdinova at EARTHLING.NET writes: << And Helen wrote: > Well, that's the last time i kiss one of your friends - nice to know > I was that memorable!!!! He liked my tits at the time enough to want > to kiss me!!!!! (Mind you - you did say i should!) But now he doesn't > even remember me - MEN!!! >--rude bit snipped --< > Maybe you should send a photo to show him what a splendid woman he is > missing!!!!! So here it is. ================================================ >> oh, and we're humbled by the splendor we lesser beings have been shown. (grin) nize lady. ^_~ does this mean all of my BOC-L brethren/sistren can handle a 43k attachment? (hoping so, we'll be) that stonehenge "brock in the rock" pic was only 18k, but i was skeered to send it. and sending the fleurs to jill kinda backfired on me a week or so ago...-_- but dont you worry, helen, here you'll live on in my 'misc pix' folder. "<>" From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Nov 2 12:05:12 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:05:12 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind at Strange Daze 98 MPEG audio Message-ID: This is a bit embarrassing. I just noticed that someone (I don't know who, just the host) uploaded MPEG audio files of Hawkwind's Strange Daze '98 set to my anonymous FTP site sometime in late September! I think this is a transfer of an audience recording (44100 Hz stereo encoded with a 128 kbit/sec bitrate). I took a quick skeg on Jim Lascko's site, and verified it is _Strange Daze *'97*_ he's selling, so I don't think this is an official and/or commercial release by anyone. So, unless someone can convince me to the contrary, I'll soon be moving this show from the "upload" area to the download area (somewhere under /pub/boc-l/audio) so others can avail themselves of it if they want. The setlist, as uploaded, is: Hawkwind At Strange Daze 98 8/15/98 Track 1 Intro Track 2 Control Track 3 Wheels Track 4 Standing At The Edge Track 5 Assault & Battery Track 6 Golden Void Track 7 Spirit Of The Age Track 8 Starfire Mountain Dreaming Track 9 Time We Left Track 10 Space Is Deep Track 11 Brainstorm BTW, thanks to whoever did upload this. Cheers, Paul. NP: Hawkwind, _Strange Daze '98, 8/15/98_ (via crappy mono DEC 3000/500S baseboard audio device:) e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I don't live today; maybe tomorrow..." --- James Marshall Hendrix From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Tue Nov 2 11:58:24 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Zeitgeist) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 16:58:24 +0000 Subject: OFF: Shameless self promotion from Zeitgeist e-zine/freezine Message-ID: Issue 5 hits the streets on 10 November. Get those SAEs in now. Featuring Mugwump, Ostmoe, Bloodthirsty Massacre, Body Full Of Stars, Snakefarm, Machine Boy, day Release, P.A.I.N. featuring Howard Marks, INIMENTER meet LITTLE GIANT DRUG, JOHNSON, TEN, THE RABBITS HAT, JOE LYNN TURNER, EDITION NEUMANN plus the usual shop of horrors that is Zeitgeist! Blessings and peace from all at; Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground - e-zine and freezine http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com alternate url: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van Vliet From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Tue Nov 2 12:09:20 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Zeitgeist) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:09:20 +0000 Subject: OFF: On line CD purchases Message-ID: There's been a few posts re. the above, so I thought I'd mention the arrival of the Zeitgeist Record Store.:-) What we do is search around for the best prices on the web, link through our shop front, and then you buy direct from the seller eg Amazon, Barnes And Noble etc etc. Saves you the hassle of multiple searches plus you're dealing with a known quantity. We're trying to concentrate on the music that we (and hopefully y'all) like, so we've kicked off with 50+ Hawkwind CDs, 25 BOC CDs plus an array of odds and sods that we like. We're looking for suggestions from all as to who we should try and add to the shop, (private e-mail would be better to ward off potential flames:-) with a view to carrying a carefully honed catalogue. Hopefully we'll link to videos, books etc in due course. Apologies if this seems like a commercial, but it's a one off e-mail which is trying to be helpful, there's no big bucks for us, just a few cents per transaction, which goes back into the cost of maintaining the web site, furthering the tradition of the Zeitgeist freezine. URL is in the address. Stuart NP Wishbone Ash - There's The Rub Blessings and peace from all at; Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground - e-zine and freezine http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com alternate url: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van Vliet From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Tue Nov 2 15:18:45 1999 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:18:45 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind at Strange Daze 98 MPEG audio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >This is a bit embarrassing. I just noticed that someone (I don't know >who, just the host) uploaded MPEG audio files of Hawkwind's Strange Daze >'98 set to my anonymous FTP site sometime in late September! > >I think this is a transfer of an audience recording (44100 Hz stereo >encoded with a 128 kbit/sec bitrate). I took a quick skeg on Jim >Lascko's site, and verified it is _Strange Daze *'97*_ he's selling, so >I don't think this is an official and/or commercial release by anyone. > >So, unless someone can convince me to the contrary, I'll soon be moving >this show from the "upload" area to the download area (somewhere under >/pub/boc-l/audio) so others can avail themselves of it if they want. > >The setlist, as uploaded, is: > >Hawkwind At Strange Daze 98 >8/15/98 > >Track 1 Intro >Track 2 Control >Track 3 Wheels >Track 4 Standing At The Edge >Track 5 Assault & Battery >Track 6 Golden Void >Track 7 Spirit Of The Age >Track 8 Starfire Mountain Dreaming >Track 9 Time We Left >Track 10 Space Is Deep >Track 11 Brainstorm hello paul what's your ftp address so we all can have a look then !!!! andre From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Nov 2 15:59:20 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 20:59:20 +0000 Subject: Apologies Message-ID: Sorry guys, the pic was meant to go just to Rich, NOT to the whole list. Flame away... Shows that even us older hands can make a cock-up... Grovellingly yours, ChrisW "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Wed Nov 3 07:45:22 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:45:22 -0500 Subject: BOC-L 1999 Tape Swap Message-ID: I received a tape-swap tape with only "alimac at netcomuk.co.uk" written on it. Any idea whose tape this is? I want to get the song list, but I can't match it up with any entires on Zeitgist's Bitter Wind. From farmer at ALLENCC.NET Wed Nov 3 02:02:32 1999 From: farmer at ALLENCC.NET (Don Farmer) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:02:32 +0000 Subject: BOC sighting In-Reply-To: <199911011629.LAA08610@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: > On VH-1's "Pop-Up Video" this weekend, they did a whole show on the > songs from the Rocky Horror Picture Show. At the very beginning, > during the opening song "Science Fiction", they were saying how Rocky > Horror fans exhibit cult-like behavior. Then they started mentioning > other cults, like the Branch Davidians, Heaven's Gate, the Jim Jones > followers and finally. . . Blue Oyster Cult. They even had a little > picture of the boys along with the text, but it happened so fast I > couldn't see if it was an old or new lineup. Yes, I saw it too. I happened to be recording that and got it on video tape. I'll check tonight to see which lineup it is, and let you know. Don. From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Nov 3 10:05:45 1999 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:05:45 +0000 Subject: BOC-L 1999 Tape Swap In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 03 Nov 1999 07:45:22 EST." <91B3F4CA7220D1118BA00000F83114BD03F0A0C6@emss05m03.sanders.lmco.com> Message-ID: > I received a tape-swap tape with only "alimac at netcomuk.co.uk" written on it. > > Any idea whose tape this is? > I want to get the song list, but I can't match it up with any entires on > Zeitgist's Bitter Wind. I suspect that's Alasdair Macdonald, one up the chain from me. If it's his actual tape then I can't help; if he forwarded mine on (should have done by now! :-) then look under Tim Fulcher Tim ObCD: Slipknot From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Thu Nov 4 03:59:43 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans (aka Gekke Henkie)) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:59:43 +0100 Subject: OFF: urban guerilla (Unabomber) Message-ID: It is old news, but I couldn't stand sending it on! Watch the last line.... --BArt ---FORWARDED MESSAGE FOLLOWS--- Federal court agrees to hear Unabomber appeal October 22, 1999 SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) -- A federal appeals court agreed Friday to hear convicted Unabomber Theodore Kaczynski's bid for a new trial, reopening a case which ended in 1998 when he pleaded guilty to a 17-year spree of bombing terror. The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals said it found sufficient evidence to take a fresh look at Kaczynski's contention that his guilty plea was coerced, that he was inappropriately denied the right to self-representation, and that he should have been allowed to block his lawyers from using a "mental defect" defense strategy. Kaczynski ended his trial almost before it got started by pleading guilty to five bombings in exchange for a sentence of life in prison. The blasts killed three people He has subsequently argued from his jail cell that his rights were violated and that his lawyers misrepresented him. He wants to withdraw his guilty plea and go forward with a new trial despite the fact that it might end in a death penalty. The San Francisco-based 9th Circuit said the opening brief for Kaczynski's appeal was due December 27, with an answering brief due by January 28 2000. It also said that Kaczynski would have to pay $105 in docketing and filing fees within 21 days -- or explain why he could not pay -- or the case would be dismissed. The former university mathematics professor was dubbed the "Unabomber" by the FBI because the early targets of the 17-year anti-technology terror spree were universities and airlines. The attacks also injured 23 people. For more info: http://www.unabombertrial.com/ Disney has bought the filmrights for a few million dollars........ From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Thu Nov 4 07:26:12 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 07:26:12 -0500 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree Advice Message-ID: I was planning to buy some Porcupine Tree CDs. Any advice to which ones are better? From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Nov 4 08:00:02 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:00:02 -0000 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree Advice Message-ID: Try the latest one "Stupid Dream", or "The Sky Moves Sideways". The latter one has longer tracks. You can't go wrong with any of them really. If ambient is your bag try some Steve's solo stuff for example the IEM CD. The latest single has a cover of Hallo Gallo on the 7" format. Regards Dave -----Original Message----- From: Hall, Russell J To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 04 November 1999 12:34 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree Advice I was planning to buy some Porcupine Tree CDs. Any advice to which ones are better? From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 4 09:10:37 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:10:37 GMT Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree Advice In-Reply-To: david hall's message of Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:00:02 -0000 Message-ID: david hall writes: > Try the latest one "Stupid Dream", or "The Sky Moves Sideways". The latter > one has longer tracks. You can't go wrong with any of them really. If > ambient is your bag try some Steve's solo stuff for example the IEM CD. > The latest single has a cover of Hallo Gallo on the 7" format. What's the PT disc with the Hawkwind tribute stuff on it? FoFP From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Nov 4 09:35:53 1999 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 06:35:53 PST Subject: OFF: Remixes (But not really OFF) Message-ID: It has just occurred to me that this might be of interest here. About 4 years ago, I took elements of BOC - the intro to The Vigil Black Sabbath - the outro to Behind the Walls of Sleep Einsturzende Neubauten - the bass from 12305te Nacht Arthur Brown - organ that appears between tracks on the Journey LP Beastie Boys - bass from the intro to Root Down. The whole song is made out of just that, but predominantly the BOC sample. Any one interested in hearing it? If so, I'll try to find an MP3 compressor and upoload it somewhere. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Nov 4 10:01:27 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:01:27 -0000 Subject: OFF: Remixes (But not really OFF) Message-ID: Mmm. Mememememe!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Horse Whisperer To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 2:35 PM Subject: OFF: Remixes (But not really OFF) > It has just occurred to me that this might be of interest here. > > About 4 years ago, I took elements of > BOC - the intro to The Vigil > Black Sabbath - the outro to Behind the Walls of Sleep > Einsturzende Neubauten - the bass from 12305te Nacht > Arthur Brown - organ that appears between tracks on the Journey LP > Beastie Boys - bass from the intro to Root Down. > > The whole song is made out of just that, but predominantly the BOC sample. > > Any one interested in hearing it? If so, I'll try to find an MP3 compressor > and upoload it somewhere. > > Chris. > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From iscladoc at IDIR.NET Thu Nov 4 09:58:05 1999 From: iscladoc at IDIR.NET (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:58:05 -0600 Subject: off: OED non-USA offer and OED CD ROM in general Message-ID: Hi all-- I've attached a Word file (oedinfo.doc) that details a special Rest of World offer to buy the OED for what seems like a kick-ass price: #175 (w/o VAT) or #205.63 (w/ VAT). (I'm not sure exactly what VAT is, but I assume its some sort of import/export tithe?) The USA special offer price is for the non-CD ROM version and costs $1000 or so. (Details are at http://www.oed.com/offers.htm). After checking the web, I called the USA OED folks, then their orders # at 800 451 7556 and they said that they were going to be releasing a new CD ROM version in the USA for $99 next month. (Until I heard that, I had been planning to see if anyone in the UK would be willing to nab a copy for me, but....). So, my quesions are: - has anyone used the OED CD ROM, read any good reviews on it, etc.? - anyone know if there's a difference between the UK and USA versions of the CD ROM? Thanks for any/all assistance! Allan. ObHW: My local stores haven't been able to order any new HW for awhile now. I feel like I'm missing out on stuff. Can anyone summarize what non-comp/boots have been released since IYA hit the streets (including IYA), with a quick what's good/not? ATGj ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe Jr. Visit the Dreaming City-- iscladoc at idir.net http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr >From somewhere within him all the longing he had known, all the sadness and the grief and the loneliness, all his aspirations and dreams, his times of intense happiness, his loves and his hatreds, his affections and his dislikes, all were voices in the same music which issued from his throat, as if his whole being had been concentrated into this single song. It was a victory and a plea. It was a celebration and an agony. It was nothing more nor less then the song of a single, lonely individual in an uncertain world, the song of a troubled intellect and a generous heart. And most of all, it was a song of love, of yearning idealism and desperate sadness for the fate of the world. ---Michael Moorcock, "The Black Blade's Summoning" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: oedinfo.doc Type: application/octet-stream Size: 24064 bytes Desc: URL: From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 4 10:36:01 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:36:01 -0500 Subject: off: OED non-USA offer and OED CD ROM in general In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 08.58 -0600 99-11-04, Allan T Grohe Jr wrote: >After checking the web, I called the USA OED folks, then their orders # at >800 451 7556 and they said that they were going to be releasing a new CD >ROM version in the USA for $99 next month. Shit, that's a damn good price for the new OED CD-ROM. I've been seeing ads for the UK deal coming to me for a while now, but can't afford GBP175. I'm broke, but if I can strain the plastic, I'm not sure I can afford *not* to buy the OED on CD for USD 99! (Gotta getta job, gotta getta job ...) >- has anyone used the OED CD ROM, read any good reviews on it, etc.? I used it plenty when I was doing the PhD, and as an eternal academic know I will continue to use it if I have it. The OED isn't perfect, but it's the best dictionary of Modern English that there is. Having it in machine searchable format is very useful (and it saves a lot of shelf space ;) >- anyone know if there's a difference between the UK and USA versions of > the CD ROM? That I don't know for sure. I wouldn't *think* so, but the ways of OUP are mysterious. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Nov 4 14:59:27 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:59:27 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind at Strange Daze 98 MPEG audio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, Paul Mather wrote: => This is a bit embarrassing. I just noticed that someone (I don't know => who, just the host) uploaded MPEG audio files of Hawkwind's Strange Daze => '98 set to my anonymous FTP site sometime in late September! => => I think this is a transfer of an audience recording (44100 Hz stereo => encoded with a 128 kbit/sec bitrate). I took a quick skeg on Jim => Lascko's site, and verified it is _Strange Daze *'97*_ he's selling, so => I don't think this is an official and/or commercial release by anyone. => => So, unless someone can convince me to the contrary, I'll soon be moving => this show from the "upload" area to the download area (somewhere under => /pub/boc-l/audio) so others can avail themselves of it if they want. Okay, hearing no dissent or evidence that this is a legitimate commercial release, I've moved it into the public download part of my anonymous FTP site. It can be downloaded via anonymous FTP from gromit.dlib.vt.edu and is in directory /pub/boc-l/audio/hawkwind/sd98. Here is the "readme" file (.message) in that directory: >>>>> Hawkwind At Strange Daze 98 15th August, 1998 File Title ==== ===== track01.128 Intro track02.128 Control track03.128 Wheels track04.128 Standing At The Edge track05.128 Assault & Battery track06.128 Golden Void track07.128 Spirit Of The Age track08.128 Starfire Mountain Dreaming track09.128 Time We Left track10.128 Space Is Deep track11.128 Brainstorm All tracks are MPEG Audio Layer-III (a.k.a. "MP3") files, encoded at a 128 Kbit/sec bitrate. <<<<< Enjoy! Cheers, Paul. NP: John Cephas and Phil Wiggins, _Dog Days of August_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I don't live today; maybe tomorrow..." --- James Marshall Hendrix From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Nov 4 15:28:34 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:28:34 -0500 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree Advice Message-ID: David Hall wrote... >> Try the latest one "Stupid Dream", or "The Sky Moves Sideways". The latter >> one has longer tracks. You can't go wrong with any of them really. If >> ambient is your bag try some Steve's solo stuff for example the IEM CD. >> The latest single has a cover of Hallo Gallo on the 7" format. Mike H. asked... >What's the PT disc with the Hawkwind tribute stuff on it? That *will* be the vinyl only re-release of Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape on the American Gates of Dawn label. (Michael Piper is the guy's name...hence the chosen moniker.) I think it's due out around the end of the millenium (ok, a year before the true end of the millenium). I think it's to be pressed onto yellow vinyl!! And probably very limited run. My guess is that Delerium might carry them. As far as the 'Hawkwind' track goes, it's the replacement for The Cross, the Prince cover that SW did on the original cassettes (?) and YHD CD. I forget the name of the track, but somebody here said earlier that it resembled Magnu. Sounds interesting. As far as SW solo material goes, I'd say that Bass Communion is very ambient (the new one (BC#2 though it doesn't actually say #2 on it!!) has a bonus disc with guest appearance by Robert Fripp), but I.E.M. is a mix of a couple 'ambient' space tunes, and a couple Neu!-style rockers. I really like these ones...punchy and hypnotic at the same time. My favourite PT work is Coma Divine, the live album with lots of stuff from Signify and TSMS on it. Signify is probably my favourite studio work. Stupid Dream continually grows on me...there are a few spots I really dislike however. It's certainly a departure from TSMS anyway. Keith H. (FAA) From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Nov 4 15:52:28 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:52:28 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Set-list Message-ID: every Sat evening, 5-8pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR (available on web-radio through WinAmp ) Space Does Not Care 10/30/99: 1.Architectural Metaphor--Creature (Creature of the Velvet Void) 2.Hawkwind--Levitation (Levitation) 3.Ozric Tentacles--Even the Air is Dreaming (Traveller's Aid Trust comp) 4.Tangle Edge--Yatantah Pt. 3 5.Knights of the Occasional Table--Elephants and Castles (Les Elephants du Paradis) 5.Hawkwind--Neon Skyline (Xenon Codex) 6.Gong--Inner Temple (Live Etc.) 7.Arthur Brown's Kingdom Come--Time Captives (Journey) 8.Melting Euphoria--Astral Nemesis (Upon the Solar Winds) 9.Hawkwind--Lord of Light (Doremi Fasol Latido) 10.Quarkspace--I Bet He's Looking for the Spaceman (Hidden Moon) 11.Can--Oh Yeah (Tago Mago) 12.Hawkwind--Psychedelic Warlords (Hall of the Mountain Grill) 13.Amon Duul II--Yeti (Yeti) 14.The Orb--Montagne D'or (Orbus Terrarum) 15.Hawkwind--Space Is Their Palestine (It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous) 16.Julee Cruise--This is Our Night (The Voice of Love) 17.Hawkwind/Astralasia--Spirit of the Age (Spirit of the Age EP) e-mail w/comments/requests to be added/removed from mailing list, Chuck From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Thu Nov 4 18:54:23 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:54:23 +0900 Subject: OFF: Remixes (But not really OFF) Message-ID: This has definitely got to be worth a listen, go for it. Horse Whisperer wrote: > It has just occurred to me that this might be of interest here. > > About 4 years ago, I took elements of > BOC - the intro to The Vigil > Black Sabbath - the outro to Behind the Walls of Sleep > Einsturzende Neubauten - the bass from 12305te Nacht > Arthur Brown - organ that appears between tracks on the Journey LP > Beastie Boys - bass from the intro to Root Down. > > The whole song is made out of just that, but predominantly the BOC sample. > > Any one interested in hearing it? If so, I'll try to find an MP3 compressor > and upoload it somewhere. > > Chris. > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET Thu Nov 4 22:10:18 1999 From: bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:10:18 -0500 Subject: OFF: Bardo Pond question Message-ID: I have an opportunity to see the band next week, and I was wondering if anyone here would recommend them. I've heard their one track on the "Succour" Terrascope CD, and wasn't particularly impressed. But I'd be willing to give them another listen if someone here who knows more about them thinks they're worth seeing. Thanks, Brian From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 5 06:33:37 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:33:37 GMT Subject: HW: Hawkwind at Strange Daze 98 MPEG audio In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:05:12 -0500 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > This is a bit embarrassing. I just noticed that someone (I don't know > who, just the host) uploaded MPEG audio files of Hawkwind's Strange Daze > '98 set to my anonymous FTP site sometime in late September! > > I think this is a transfer of an audience recording (44100 Hz stereo > encoded with a 128 kbit/sec bitrate). I took a quick skeg on Jim > Lascko's site, and verified it is _Strange Daze *'97*_ he's selling, so > I don't think this is an official and/or commercial release by anyone. Starfire Mountain Dreaming is the only track on the official release I have. The rest are from other bands who appeared. FoFP From vincentr at COGNOS.COM Fri Nov 5 09:42:43 1999 From: vincentr at COGNOS.COM (Rob Vincent) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:42:43 -0500 Subject: [HW] Story behind 1999 party? Message-ID: Folks, I just got back from Toronto, where I managed to keep to my vow to myself and bought a whole bunch of Hawkwind (including scoring Space Ritual and Hall Of The Mountain Grill), as it is hard to track down Hawkwind in Ottawa. One of the CDs I got was the 1999 Party (Live at the Chicago Auditorium) and am listening to it as we speak. Problem is that it has practically no liner notes and my knowledge of Hawkwind history isn't as precise as it might be. Would somebody be able to tell me any story behind this particular gig/CD ? Cheers, Rainmaker Elijah Snow : It's a strange world Jakita Wagner : Let's keep it that way Planetary #1 From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Nov 5 10:19:07 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:19:07 EST Subject: [HW] Story behind 1999 party? Message-ID: In a message dated 11/5/99 9:43:30 AM, vincentr at COGNOS.COM writes: << I just got back from Toronto, where I managed to keep to my vow to myself and bought a whole bunch of Hawkwind (including scoring Space Ritual and Hall Of The Mountain Grill), as it is hard to track down Hawkwind in Ottawa. One of the CDs I got was the 1999 Party (Live at the Chicago Auditorium) and am listening to it as we speak. Problem is that it has practically no liner notes and my knowledge of Hawkwind history isn't as precise as it might be. Would somebody be able to tell me any story behind this particular gig/CD ? ============ the '1999 party' tour was HW supported by Man in the spring of '74. twas also simon house's first tour as an 'official' HW member, i do believe. > that ''99 party' cd is a strange fish; "a space ritual" has much better sound quality. turner and house go in and out of the mix, lemmy is louder on some songs than others, and.....(wait for it)....there's some canned applause, too. people applaud the beginning of songs they =might= have heard =once= , 6 months previous. as an official release, this was carelessly done. that said, anything 'new' from this era of the band, ya gotta have it. and that 1/26/74 gig is great, house notwithstanding. "paradox" is 3 minutes longer, "it's so easy" is over twice as long, and y'dont have to listen to house playing "you cant always get what you want" along with it. mr. calvert makes a rare '74 appearance as well, as the 'space ritual' era was truly coming to a close. ==>>worth releasing, mr. brock.... "<>" From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Nov 5 11:07:44 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:07:44 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind at Strange Daze 98 MPEG audio In-Reply-To: <199911051133.LAA01721@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, M Holmes wrote: => Paul Mather writes: => => > This is a bit embarrassing. I just noticed that someone (I don't know => > who, just the host) uploaded MPEG audio files of Hawkwind's Strange Daze => > '98 set to my anonymous FTP site sometime in late September! => > => > I think this is a transfer of an audience recording (44100 Hz stereo => > encoded with a 128 kbit/sec bitrate). I took a quick skeg on Jim => > Lascko's site, and verified it is _Strange Daze *'97*_ he's selling, so => > I don't think this is an official and/or commercial release by anyone. => => Starfire Mountain Dreaming is the only track on the official release I => have. The rest are from other bands who appeared. But that is from Strange Daze 97, right? These MPEG Audio files are (ostensibly) from Strange Daze *98*, so I'm guessing it's a different version to that on the CD (unless the ultratelluric sounds of Hawkwind managed to permeate back through time to find their way onto the SD97 recording;). I've only listened to the MPEGs once so far, but I vaguely recall some mention from the stage about "refused entry into the country," which would appear to confirm this was from the 1998 customs debacle (thanks to Uncle Sam). Is the setlist the same as that of Strange Daze 98? BTW, those downloading, remember to transfer in binary mode, and also those with slow and/or unreliable connections might want to use an FTP client that supports "reget" to resume broken transfers (e.g., NetBSD ftp; ncftp for Unix, GetRight [http://www.getright.com/] for M$-Windoze). Cheers, Paul. NP: Loreena McKennitt, _Elemental_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I don't live today; maybe tomorrow..." --- James Marshall Hendrix From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Nov 5 11:51:51 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:51:51 EST Subject: OFF: [Ascension-Gateway] A Message from (the lord of light)-_- Message-ID: um, this isnt spam; it was sent to, um, 'followers', i guess...one of whom forwarded this to me with an apparently straight face and asked my opinion. i dunno what to say to her. but i felt it was spaced-out enough to share w/my BOC pals. ps> feel free to establish this as some kinda joke...i dunno...i dont get it "<>" ---- Original Message ----- From: ACCNL To: ; Ashtar-Command List Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 9:40 PM Subject: [Ascension-Gateway] A Message from Melchizedek received by Rev. John F. Schulte > From: ACCNL > > Preparing NOW for the New Millennium > A Message from Melchizedek > received by Rev. John F. Schulte > > Please Read this with an Open Heart. > If you Resonate with the message, > please Copy it and Forward to ALL the Lightworkers you know. > > Hello Dear Ones, > You who are the Lightworkers are the Ones receiving this call > today. You have chosen to step forward and serve, so we would choose to > ask that service of you now. You, no doubt, have some awareness of the > coming turn of the century, the changing of the Millennium. You also > are already to some degree open to your healing process and to aiding the > healing of the planet. And so We, the Spiritual Hierarchy, now ask you > to take another specific set of actions to continue your own healing and > the healing of the planet Earth. > Although the Date and Time of the changing of the Millennium DOES > NOT have Celestial importance in and of itself... this change DOES carry > much importance because of the weight of the MASS CONSCIOUSNESS which > supports its importance. Currently there are few upon the planet who > are running around like "chicken little" crying that the world will end upon > that day. Many are suggesting that there will be problems associated > with the so-called Y2K bug. But most of these are not wringing their > hands in fear either. Mostly there are those who are taking a "wait and > see" attitude toward the whole event. Therein lies the danger Dear > Ones. > For the Mass Consciousness holds several core beliefs based in that > (fear and separation) which is currently in the process of healing on > the Earth. The first of these many of you refer to as Murphy's Law: > Whatever can go wrong, will. The second of these that is important here > is the belief that one can actually make no change in the big picture. > It is the lack of self-worth issue once again dear ones. That leads to > another stance toward the Earth of "it's NOT MY JOB." You have chosen > to step forward and make this healing process your job. We thank you in > advance for your support. > Fear of the unknown is the greatest fear because it is completely > based within the experience of separation from ALL that is out there. > As the deadline of the millennium approaches more and more of those who are > not actively on their healing path will be pulled in by the WAVE of fear > of the impending uncertainty, but the certainty that there will be some > degree of Murphy's Law, so to speak. As more are pulled in the > wave will grow in weight and thus be able to pull in those who had > managed to stay a bit more balanced. As fear is induced in them the > weight of the wave of Mass Consciousness will become even stronger, thus > pulling more and more in. And so on, pulling in people who had managed > to stay centered... the uncertainty will grow, even in many of those who > are quite centered now... thus the wave will continue growing ever > larger until the actual time of the change arrives. When the time > arrives, the wave of fear will be huge. This wave will cause > repercussions. Unless action is taken now... this wave is not > insurmountable or unstoppable. For the most part it is and will be a > product of unconscious beliefs, unconscious forces at work. THEREFORE, > THE CONSCIOUS CHOICE OF THE FEW CAN ALTER IT TREMENDOUSLY... WHILE THE > CONSCIOUS CHOICE OF THE MANY CAN RELEASE THIS WAVE nearly in its > entirety. So, we ask each of you to take a few brief steps with > regularity between now and the date of the changing of the years: > Begin on a daily basis (or more often if possible) taking time > (even 5 minutes is good) to focus on a new vision of peace in the New > Age. Allow that vision to be one of ALL PEOPLE (including most > especially yourself) actively engaged in DOING their BEING....Right now > as you read this, sit with that idea.... It means all people fully > expressing themselves.... Fully expressing their light...You fully > expressing yourself and your light. It is a world in which no one is in > fear because no one experiences separation from themselves or each other > or the world. How does that world feel to you now?? How would it feel > if you experienced it that way right now?? Let yourself embrace this > feeling fully. This is the world that is coming into being, birthing > itself now. The contractions of this birthing process can be, as they > have been, painful at times. But with a number of you actively engaged > in building a new mass consciousness--one of peace and wholeness and > unity--these pains can continue to be lessened. The mass consciousness > of fear need not crest and crash as the millennium roars to a close. > You can change the future....your future....and in so doing help to change > the future of the world. > "Whenever two or more are gathered in my name"... Although you > can come together physically, and you can join at specific times, you > need not gather at the same time or in the same place in order to be > effective...JUST GATHER IN THIS SAME INTENTION!!! To aid yourself in > choosing to participate consistently, set aside a specific time or times > for yourself each day. Schedule your daily "creation time." As you > add your energy to this vision it adds momentum and weight to this new mass > consciousness of the truth of the ALL as ONE. This reunites you in > your awareness, for your awareness is the only place you've ever been > separate anyway. Many thanks brothers and sisters in the Light. > > > Blessings, Love, & Light > Lord Melchizedek > > -- > Cmdr. Andras Sheran > Ashtar Lightwork Center / ACCNL > Global Council of Ground Crew Commanders > http://ACCNL.onwww.net > ACCNL at yahoo.com > -- From mwood at MY-DEJA.COM Fri Nov 5 11:53:07 1999 From: mwood at MY-DEJA.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:53:07 -0800 Subject: HW: Hawkwind at Strange Daze 98 MPEG audio Message-ID: Maybe I can clear this up. The show that Paul has on his web site is SD98, and that has never been officially released - save for one track, "Starfire Mountain Dreaming", which appears on a CD that was included in the last issue of the _Hawk-U.S._ 'zine. The remainder of that CD had tracks from each of the other bands that performed at SD98. It was indeed the SD97 show that was recently released as a 2-CD set. I don't think that that release includes the complete Hawkwind set from SD97 either. MWood NP: Solaris - _Nostradamus_ On Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:07:44 Paul Mather wrote: >On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, M Holmes wrote: > >=> Paul Mather writes: >=> >=> > This is a bit embarrassing. I just noticed that someone (I don't know >=> > who, just the host) uploaded MPEG audio files of Hawkwind's Strange Daze >=> > '98 set to my anonymous FTP site sometime in late September! >=> > >=> > I think this is a transfer of an audience recording (44100 Hz stereo >=> > encoded with a 128 kbit/sec bitrate). I took a quick skeg on Jim >=> > Lascko's site, and verified it is _Strange Daze *'97*_ he's selling, so >=> > I don't think this is an official and/or commercial release by anyone. >=> >=> Starfire Mountain Dreaming is the only track on the official release I >=> have. The rest are from other bands who appeared. > >But that is from Strange Daze 97, right? These MPEG Audio files are >(ostensibly) from Strange Daze *98*, so I'm guessing it's a different >version to that on the CD (unless the ultratelluric sounds of Hawkwind >managed to permeate back through time to find their way onto the SD97 >recording;). I've only listened to the MPEGs once so far, but I vaguely >recall some mention from the stage about "refused entry into the >country," which would appear to confirm this was from the 1998 customs >debacle (thanks to Uncle Sam). > >Is the setlist the same as that of Strange Daze 98? > >BTW, those downloading, remember to transfer in binary mode, and also >those with slow and/or unreliable connections might want to use an FTP >client that supports "reget" to resume broken transfers (e.g., NetBSD >ftp; ncftp for Unix, GetRight [http://www.getright.com/] for >M$-Windoze). > >Cheers, > >Paul. > >NP: Loreena McKennitt, _Elemental_ > >e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > >"I don't live today; maybe tomorrow..." > --- James Marshall Hendrix > --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Nov 5 16:46:51 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:46:51 -0800 Subject: OFF: Bardo Pond question Message-ID: I like 'em pretty well, although I should point out that I once toured for a week with a band that was opening for them (and had no problem seeing them six or seven nights in a row). I'd say don't miss them if you're into My Bloody Valentine-type ultra-dense psychedelic shoegaze stuff, but you can probably do without if you're more into heavier/pouding blanga/stonerrock (hope that puts some perspective on them, at least). On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:10:18 -0500, Brian Halligan said: >I have an opportunity to see the band next week, and I was wondering if >anyone here would recommend them. I've heard their one track on the >"Succour" Terrascope CD, and wasn't particularly impressed. That one is a bit of a "toss-off" track IMO, but it is representative of their overall sound as it was at the time. Their latest album has a more refined, less throw-in-every-effect-including-the-kitchen-sink-onto-every-track sound, and some nice violin drones from vocalist/flautist Isobel Sollenger (who, purely from an eye candy perspective, should be reason enough for many males of the species to check 'em out). >But I'd be >willing to give them another listen if someone here who knows more about >them thinks they're worth seeing. When touring with them, I thought their live shows were more interesting than their records, FWIW. Vaguely-related rant: Primordial Undermind (who are playing our last shows, barring a possible Japanese tour and/or Terrastock performance next year, in LA at the end of November) WERE supposed to open for them in San Francisco (Bardo Pond wanted us, the club wanted us), but Bardo's booking agent insisted that a *DJ* on said agent's roster be on the bill instead of a real band. No, rock's not dead, it's only that most people these days would prefer to pretend that it is. I'll still probably go see Bardo Pond, but I might bring some rotting vegetables if I'm gonna get there early ;^). -Doug ceres at sirius.com From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Nov 5 16:05:05 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 16:05:05 EST Subject: OFF: Bardo Pond /Shoegazing?? Message-ID: In a message dated 11/5/99 12:41:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, ceres at SIRIUS.COM writes: << I like 'em pretty well, although I should point out that I once toured for a week with a band that was opening for them (and had no problem seeing them six or seven nights in a row). I'd say don't miss them if you're into My Bloody Valentine-type ultra-dense psychedelic shoegaze stuff, but you can probably do without if you're more into heavier/pouding blanga/stonerrock (hope that puts some perspective on them, at least). >> ---I'm seeing this term a lot lately, refering to music: "shoegazer". What's the story w/that? Chuck From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 5 16:28:02 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:28:02 GMT Subject: HW: Hawkwind at Strange Daze 98 MPEG audio In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:07:44 -0500 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, M Holmes wrote: > > => Paul Mather writes: > => > => > This is a bit embarrassing. I just noticed that someone (I don't know > => > who, just the host) uploaded MPEG audio files of Hawkwind's Strange Daze > => > '98 set to my anonymous FTP site sometime in late September! > => > > => > I think this is a transfer of an audience recording (44100 Hz stereo > => > encoded with a 128 kbit/sec bitrate). I took a quick skeg on Jim > => > Lascko's site, and verified it is _Strange Daze *'97*_ he's selling, so > => > I don't think this is an official and/or commercial release by anyone. > => > => Starfire Mountain Dreaming is the only track on the official release I > => have. The rest are from other bands who appeared. > > But that is from Strange Daze 97, right? Nope. The tracks on the separate Strange Daze 97 CD are Kauai, Brainstorm/In Your Area and Assassins/Space Is Their Palestine. When I download a copy (though I'd prefer it as wav) I'll see if I can compare and check. FoFP From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Nov 5 16:53:41 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 16:53:41 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind at Strange Daze 98 MPEG audio In-Reply-To: <199911052128.VAA25678@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, M Holmes wrote: => Nope. The tracks on the separate Strange Daze 97 CD are Kauai, => Brainstorm/In Your Area and Assassins/Space Is Their Palestine. Along with other posts, I think I'm clear on this now. Though I suspect the "Starfire Mountain Dreaming" release is from a different recording source, i.e., SBD and not AUD. => When I download a copy (though I'd prefer it as wav) I'll see if I can => compare and check. If you use WinAmp for M$-Windoze, it is trivial to convert "MP3"s to WAV. (It has a WAV output driver.) I know that people burn the Gov't Mule "MP3"s on my FTP site to CD-R (which, in turn, were grabbed from CD-R, so I guess it's completing the circle somewhat;). Cheers, Paul. NP: Fairport Convention, _What We Did On Our Holidays_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I don't live today; maybe tomorrow..." --- James Marshall Hendrix From novadrive at HOME.COM Fri Nov 5 17:16:33 1999 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 15:16:33 -0700 Subject: HW: Hawkwind at Strange Daze 98 MPEG audio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, M Holmes wrote: > > => Nope. The tracks on the separate Strange Daze 97 CD are Kauai, > => Brainstorm/In Your Area and Assassins/Space Is Their Palestine. > > Along with other posts, I think I'm clear on this now. Though I suspect > the "Starfire Mountain Dreaming" release is from a different recording > source, i.e., SBD and not AUD. > > => When I download a copy (though I'd prefer it as wav) I'll see if I can > => compare and check. "Starfire Mountain Dreaming" on the Hawk-US CD-R was an audience recording.. In fact, it was a Kevin Sommers recording (as are all but three songs on that disc). Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu < http://members.home.net/novadrive/> From bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET Fri Nov 5 17:55:24 1999 From: bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET (Brian Halligan) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 17:55:24 -0500 Subject: OFF: Bardo Pond question In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991105134651.00906290@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: Thanks Doug. I was hoping the Succour track wasn't representative. I like my blanga, but I find myself staring at my laces every once in awhile too.... I'll check them out. >(Bardo Pond wanted us, the club wanted us), but Bardo's booking >agent insisted that a *DJ* on said agent's roster be on the bill instead of >a real band. No, rock's not dead, it's only that most people these days >would prefer to pretend that it is. I'll still probably go see Bardo Pond, >but I might bring some rotting vegetables if I'm gonna get there early ;^). Toss a festering potato for me. :-) Brian > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri Nov 5 19:44:30 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 00:44:30 +0000 Subject: OFF: Limelight Club (HLL & Bedouin) Message-ID: Folks, I went to the Limelight Club in Crewe (of all places) to see The MuffinMen (of whom more shortly). For those in easy travelling distannce of Crewe & planning to see Huwie or Bedouin, the Limelight is a pretty good venue with raised areas to either side, and a higher area yet at the back where the bar is. Basically there's a good view from everywhere in the place & beer prices are reasonable (?1.75/pint for London Pride). As for The Muffin Men, for any British (& sometimes European) Zappa afficionados, these guys are great - 2 guitars, bass, drums & trumpet/flugel/English horn player, and they play a huge variety of stuff from the great man's oeuvre, from the early days (Who Needs The Peace Corps/Concentration Moon/My Guitar Wants To Kill Your Mama) through the middle erea jazz-rock & sleaze (Big Swifty/Mr.Green Genes/Camarillo Brilleaux) to the latter day complexity (& sleaze) (Ride My Face To Chicago) & just like FZ with "Stairway..." a tongue in cheek Zep tribute in the form of a deliciously unhinged "Kashmir". A fab night's rockin' entertainment sadly curtailed after two & a quarter hours by the 11:15 curfew - I reckon they could have played all night. They're not just copyists BTW, they do give a new spin to some of the tunes with whacky arrangements of their own! Catch 'em if you can while they are on tour, & I think they're off to Germany with Jimmy Carl Black after they're done in the UK. Also, coming to Nottingham in December (maybe other places too) are The Zappatistas, John Etheridge's 'Zappa band' who also come highly recommended, though I missed them when they originally did the rounds. Th-th-th-th-th-that's all f-folks ChrisW Gathering an intimate quantity of dried muffin remnants in order to dump them inside of his shirt! From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri Nov 5 20:39:52 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 01:39:52 +0000 Subject: OFF: Bardo Pond /Shoegazing?? In-Reply-To: <0.489b223f.2554a081@aol.com> Message-ID: At 16:05 05/11/99 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 11/5/99 12:41:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, >ceres at SIRIUS.COM writes: > ><< I like 'em pretty well, although I should point out that I once toured for > a week with a band that was opening for them (and had no problem seeing > them six or seven nights in a row). I'd say don't miss them if you're into > My Bloody Valentine-type ultra-dense psychedelic shoegaze stuff, but you > can probably do without if you're more into heavier/pouding > blanga/stonerrock (hope that puts some perspective on them, at least). >> > > >---I'm seeing this term a lot lately, refering to music: "shoegazer". What's >the story w/that? Chuck It implies they are introspective/non-demonstrative, I believe the term was originally coined in the mid to late '80s and was applied originally to the gloomier "indie" bands of the period - my fuzzy brain seems to connect this with the generation of bands represented on NME's "C-86" cassette... (A very sleepy) ChrisW From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Sat Nov 6 06:20:15 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Zeitgeist) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 11:20:15 +0000 Subject: HW: Lemmy Interview Message-ID: The latest Classic Rock mag has a lengthy, if superficial, interview with Lemmy where he talks about HW, complete with a B&W pic of Lemmy, Nik, Stacia and Alice Cooper. SAH NP Iggy Pop - Nazi Girlfriend Blessings and peace from Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground E-zine, freezine and online recors store at; http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van Vliet alternate url: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Nov 6 17:10:36 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 22:10:36 -0000 Subject: STONEHENGE '84 Message-ID: When I was at Stonehenge I saw a set by Karma Kanix (who later changed their name to Garden Of Delights) and excellent it was too. I managed to get a tape from their bus after the gig. According to the tape it it features Twink; not the Pink Fairies Twink but, I think, the guy who stood in for Tim Blake on the Levitation tour and had a later involvment with Gong. The band were Norwich based. Anyone know what happened to them? 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Anyone know > what happened to them? The band had an excellent slide-show too. While > I'm on the subject how many of you on the list were at Stonehenge? > Dave From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Sat Nov 6 19:22:17 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 01:22:17 +0100 Subject: STONEHENGE '84 In-Reply-To: <3824C49D.EEFD5F0A@virgin.net> Message-ID: I envy you...in 1984 I was just 13 jears old...never heard of stonehenge. --BArt > Don't know what happened to the band, but I was certainly at Stonehenge > in 84, 83 and 82. Remember the Enid losing the battle with their > computers and the generators? > > Dave > > david hall wrote: > > > When I was at Stonehenge I saw a set by Karma Kanix (who later > > changed their name to Garden Of Delights) and excellent it was too. I > > managed to get a tape from their bus after the gig. According to the > > tape it it features Twink; not the Pink Fairies Twink but, I think, > > the guy who stood in for Tim Blake on the Levitation tour and had a > > later involvment with Gong. The band were Norwich based. Anyone know > > what happened to them? The band had an excellent slide-show too. While > > I'm on the subject how many of you on the list were at Stonehenge? > > Dave From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Nov 6 20:01:38 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 01:01:38 +0000 Subject: HW: Croydon on the 14th Message-ID: Dear All, I got my tickets reserved (me and the girlfriend); who else is going to this one and shall we organise a meeting? Yours, Jon From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Sat Nov 6 20:53:01 1999 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 20:53:01 EST Subject: Fwd: hawkdisc query Message-ID: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: RMayo19761 at aol.com Subject: hawkdisc query Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 20:49:23 EST Size: 1196 URL: From brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 7 03:30:18 1999 From: brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Brian Coulthard) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 08:30:18 -0000 Subject: STONEHENGE '84 In-Reply-To: <000901bf28a3$c208cc40$081a883e@default> Message-ID: Hello all I remember being at Stonehenge in either 83 or 84 It was the year with the fire eaters and Nik was carried through the audience to the stage on the shoulders of some punky types the hawks played 2 sets on at night and one at dawn. I seem to remember it was Alans first appearance and the PA had been loaned by David Bowie. I may now be imagining this but I thought the band played Brianbox Pollution but the memory could be playing tricks on me there. yours nostalgicly Brian From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Sun Nov 7 05:37:16 1999 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 10:37:16 -0000 Subject: HW: Croydon on the 14th Message-ID: Planning to - I'm game for trying to meet up. --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Jarrett To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Sunday, November 07, 1999 1:01 AM Subject: HW: Croydon on the 14th > Dear All, > I got my tickets reserved (me and the girlfriend); who > else is going to this one and shall we organise a meeting? Yours, > Jon > From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Sun Nov 7 08:30:47 1999 From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 13:30:47 +0000 Subject: stoner henge and boot therefrom Message-ID: i remember sittin in a park, drinking beer with some far-gone junkie,l talking about hw. he told me, almost with a religous fever, bout the show he'd seen - listening to brock doing solos "as the sun came up behind him" ..... i was a mere kid in those days (84, not while drinking in the park;) (and on a different continent as well) ....so: envy! ...oh, btw, does any here know if the hungarian(if i don't remember wrongly) stonehenge bootleg is from the eve or the morning (bad sound, but interesting show) ....."yr cap'tain is dead..." regards, ketil svendsen, norway > > Subject: Re: STONEHENGE '84 > Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 08:30:18 -0000 > From: Brian Coulthard > > Hello all > I remember being at Stonehenge in either 83 or 84 It was the year > with the fire eaters and Nik was carried through the audience to the stage > on the shoulders of some punky types the hawks played 2 sets on at night and > one at dawn. I seem to remember it was Alans first appearance and the PA had > been loaned by David Bowie. I may now be imagining this but I thought the > band played Brianbox Pollution but the memory could be playing tricks on me > there. > yours nostalgicly > > > Brian > From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 7 10:08:10 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 15:08:10 -0000 Subject: STONEHENGE '84 Message-ID: Hi, Yeah I remember the fire-eaters and breathers! I got sprayed with the liquid that they used to breathe fire. A good gig...and I got some top photos too. The evening started with Roy Harper, joined by Huwie for a few numbers, as the sun went down on a blasting hot day. Hawks came on, superb. By the time the Enid arrived the effects of some bad scrumpy were being felt by me and a mate so my memories of their set are not good as I spent it doubled up, with stomach cramps, over a railing at the front of the stage. All this just in front of the PA....was this prog-rock hell? Ken Lamb are you out there? Do you still bear the scars? Recovered in time for the early morning set and Nik's bad (no) hair day. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Brian Coulthard To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 07 November 1999 08:32 Subject: Re: STONEHENGE '84 >Hello all > I remember being at Stonehenge in either 83 or 84 It was the year >with the fire eaters and Nik was carried through the audience to the stage >on the shoulders of some punky types the hawks played 2 sets on at night and >one at dawn. I seem to remember it was Alans first appearance and the PA had >been loaned by David Bowie. I may now be imagining this but I thought the >band played Brianbox Pollution but the memory could be playing tricks on me >there. > yours nostalgicly > > >Brian > From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 7 10:09:54 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 15:09:54 -0000 Subject: Hawkon '84 Message-ID: Hello all, More memory lane stuff here. Did any of you go to Hawkon '84? Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"<>" ====== audio-anal trivia for the day: a close listen reveals that as 'orgone accumulator' ends and 'upside down' is beginning on sr1, the moment king kicks in, they cut to a different performance of 'upside down'. the tuning is just a wee hair different.... ================= From brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 7 12:49:26 1999 From: brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Brian Coulthard) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 17:49:26 -0000 Subject: Hawkon '84 In-Reply-To: <002701bf2932$4d79e140$f053883e@default> Message-ID: Was this the one in a basement in Manchester? Was it 15 years ago? I remember a jam session with Nik, Mick Slattery, And just about every Bass player apart from that Kilminster bloke but without Dave They played Hurry on Sundown amongst others I must dig out my very poor quality tape out. I bought the Urban Guerilla single for ?8. Mike Butterworth was there as well. Ok then how about this one any one go to UK Electronica in Milton Keynes in the early 80s Dave Harvey and Nik did a jam session I remember The Black Corridor and Phone home Elliot form there. Yours Brian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Nov 7 13:38:38 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 13:38:38 EST Subject: hawkdisc query/"make what you can" notwithstanding Message-ID: In a message dated 11/7/99 11:30:08 AM, DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: << but of course, airplay was the goal. twas a time when 'airplay' wasnt automatically a dirty word....not that it could be said that HW was particularly adept at coming up w/'radio hits'.... >> ========= upon reflexion, airplay =would= have been a bit of a dirty word to the 'underground', stoned-out, lemmy-era gang. "silver machine" was sweet accident for them; it proved difficult to try to do it on purpose. "<>" From ande at TOR-MEDIA.COM Sun Nov 7 13:45:27 1999 From: ande at TOR-MEDIA.COM (Ande Tucker) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 10:46:27 -0759 Subject: Free(*) Pressurehed 7" - 'The Right Stuff' In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19991106112015.00698700@pop3.connectfree.co.uk> Message-ID: I recently uncovered a forgotten box of Pressurehed 7" singles featuring: A side: The Right Stuff (aerospaceage mix) B side: Man In Static (electrostatic mix) To avoid them going in a landfill, I'll give them away for free except for S&H. Tried to work out the best way for this, each 7" is $1 in the US. I will also throw in a copy of the Mick Farren 7" A side: Gun Fire In The Night B side: Touched By The Fire A numbered limited edition of 500 copies on clear vinyl. Which makes them .50 cents each. Want to order 2 Pressurehed singles? send $2, get 4 singles in total, etc. As for overseas, it might be better to contact me first if you're interested. Hope nobody minds me posting to the list with these, but its this or the landfill. (Trying to be ecologically minded here...) Ande Ande Tucker P.O. Box 5593 Huntington Beach, CA 92615 From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sun Nov 7 14:09:05 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 20:09:05 +0100 Subject: Hawkon '84 In-Reply-To: <002701bf2932$4d79e140$f053883e@default> Message-ID: Hi At 15:09 07.11.99 +0000, you wrote: >More memory lane stuff here. Did any of you go to Hawkon '84? The HAWKON was not in 1984, but on 10.Feb.1985 The following set was performed (without Dave Brock) hurry on sundown / blues session / wild thing / got your number / waiting for tomorrow / brainbox pollution / bass session / you shouldn't do that / rock 'n roll / master of the universe / brainstorm / sax session Unfortunately I was not there because I didn't know about this happening Bernhard From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 7 16:56:26 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 21:56:26 -0000 Subject: Hawkon '84 Message-ID: Er, I think that you're right. I spent the day sitting behind Trev Hughes stall and chatting to just about everybody. Huw. Mick S, Dave Anderson, Nic Potter and Nik T especially. A sample converation: Me(to red-haired guy also working behind the stall): "Been into HW long?" Red-haired guy: "Yeah" Me: "When did you first see them?" Red-haired guy: "Hmmm, 1969...I'm Mick Slattery" Me: "Doh" Ended up interviewing Nic Potter in the very cramped gents. Me, Nic and video crew (should I own up to this?) I see to remember that the main topics of conversation were: 1. why was the venue so cramped 2.when were the band going to put out an LP that didn't feature biscuit tins as drums (ie the sound of Sonic Attack, Masques, and Church) 3. why was the venue so cramped 4. "buried and unburied hatchets" 5. why was the venue so cramped 6. the whereabouts of Simon King(and the rumours of his return) and why he is/was an essential for the band 7. why was the venue so bloody cramped 8. the excellent new H L-L band LP. 9. was Dave B going to play 10. and others far too,ahem, indelicate to mention here Dave -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Pospiech To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 07 November 1999 19:11 Subject: Re: Hawkon '84 >Hi > >At 15:09 07.11.99 +0000, you wrote: >>More memory lane stuff here. Did any of you go to Hawkon '84? >The HAWKON was not in 1984, but on 10.Feb.1985 > >The following set was performed (without Dave Brock) > >hurry on sundown / blues session / wild thing / got your number / waiting >for tomorrow / brainbox pollution / bass session / you shouldn't do that / >rock 'n roll / master of the universe / brainstorm / sax session > > >Unfortunately I was not there because I didn't know about this happening > >Bernhard > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Nov 7 22:05:34 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 03:05:34 +0000 Subject: an observation from a rookie In-Reply-To: <302EA610D83@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 wrote: > > From: Keith Henderson > > > > Hmmm...it's been narrowed to two main groups? When did that happen?! I > > suppose I'm partially guilty of the heavy off-topic flavor of the list, but > > hey, who wants to be thought of as merely a fan of dinosaur bands? :) On > > that note, when is Hawkwind going to appear on the CMC label? I think it's > > the only one left for them, isn't it? > > Whoa! This is a bit of inspiration. HW and Motorhead on the same > label... Did they not actually coincide on Bronze Records for about, like. a month? 1979/1980 must have seen them both on the books, no? Yours, Jon From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Mon Nov 8 04:17:31 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:17:31 -0000 Subject: an observation from a rookie Message-ID: Well... I'm pretty sure they're both on the Bronze Records sampler 'A Quiet Night In', which would be from about that period. Along with Girlschool... :-) I'll check tonight. (I discovered this weekend that my girlfriend attended the same school as Kelly Johnson. Respect!) Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Jarrett To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 3:05 AM Subject: Re: an observation from a rookie > On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 wrote: > > > > From: Keith Henderson > > > > > > Hmmm...it's been narrowed to two main groups? When did that happen?! I > > > suppose I'm partially guilty of the heavy off-topic flavor of the list, but > > > hey, who wants to be thought of as merely a fan of dinosaur bands? :) On > > > that note, when is Hawkwind going to appear on the CMC label? I think it's > > > the only one left for them, isn't it? > > > > Whoa! This is a bit of inspiration. HW and Motorhead on the same > > label... > > Did they not actually coincide on Bronze Records for about, like. > a month? 1979/1980 must have seen them both on the books, no? Yours, > Jon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Nov 8 05:41:00 1999 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 02:41:00 PST Subject: OFF: Remixed for the sake of it. Message-ID: http://dnausers.d-n-a.net/dnetGNQc/sgottabomb/spookii.mp3 Yep, this is it - BOC/Arthur Brown/Black Sabbath/Beastie Boys/EN The crackling you can here is from the lead-out track on the my original pressing of Black Sabbath's 1st LP. I apologize for the sloth of the connection. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Mon Nov 8 05:50:47 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:50:47 -0000 Subject: OFF: Remixed for the sake of it. Message-ID: > http://dnausers.d-n-a.net/dnetGNQc/sgottabomb/spookii.mp3 > > Yep, this is it - BOC/Arthur Brown/Black Sabbath/Beastie Boys/EN > The crackling you can here is from the lead-out track on the my original > pressing of Black Sabbath's 1st LP. > > I apologize for the sloth of the connection. Sloth? 85kb / second? Sloth?! :-) Cheers, Rich. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 8 06:09:39 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:09:39 GMT Subject: STONEHENGE '84 In-Reply-To: david hall's message of Sat, 6 Nov 1999 22:10:36 -0000 Message-ID: david hall writes: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BF28A3.C0B179A0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > When I was at Stonehenge I saw a set by Karma Kanix (who later changed = > their name to Garden Of Delights) and excellent it was too. I managed to = > get a tape from their bus after the gig. According to the tape it it = > features Twink; not the Pink Fairies Twink but, I think, the guy who = > stood in for Tim Blake on the Levitation tour and had a later involvment = > with Gong. The band were Norwich based. Anyone know what happened to = > them? The band had an excellent slide-show too. While I'm on the subject = > how many of you on the list were at Stonehenge? "Mind Your Head" indeed. Was that the slide show projected onto a canvas dome with loads of space piccies and standing stone? FoFP From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Mon Nov 8 06:14:10 1999 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (Sonique) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 22:14:10 +1100 Subject: Hawkon '84 Message-ID: On 7 Nov 99, at 15:09, david hall wrote: > More memory lane stuff here. Did any of you go to Hawkon '84? The ultimate dissapointment of my early adulthood .... I was doing a radio program at a community radio station about that time, and I'd written to Brian Tawn to try to organise a telephone interview at the Hawkon with the band for a 4 hour Hawkwind special I was planning. Brian came through with the phone number for the venue and an organised time to talk to the band - the letter with the details arrived on Feb 12th 1985 (I still have it somewhere) ... 2 days after the event. I guess should have taken it as a premonition for the ultimate dissapointment of my mid-adulthood (the failed Aussie tour) sigh.... S. -- The email address ---> sonique at sonique.net The current project ---> http://sonique.net/house The bank balance ---> In the red :) From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Nov 8 07:10:13 1999 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 04:10:13 PST Subject: OFF: Remixed for the sake of it. Message-ID: > > I apologize for the sloth of the connection. > >Sloth? 85kb / second? Sloth?! >:-) >Rich. Good lord! I work for an ISP, we have a T1 connection and I can't even rattle up that kind of speed. Strewth. C. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Nov 8 07:28:06 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 07:28:06 EST Subject: an observation from a rookie Message-ID: In a message dated 11/8/99 4:27:24 AM, rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM writes: << (I discovered this weekend that my girlfriend attended the same school as Kelly Johnson. Respect!) >> ================= this aint no 'can you top this' but for the second semester of the 73-74 school year i apparently attended the same school as nancy spungen where we both were for not having been good li'l boys and girls (grin/sigh) i probably saw her but i didnt know her. hoo hah "<>" From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Mon Nov 8 07:41:13 1999 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:41:13 -0000 Subject: an observation from a rookie Message-ID: I first met Huw in a toilet in a pub in the Forest of Dean - just standing at the urinal next to me... Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 12:28 PM Subject: Re: an observation from a rookie > In a message dated 11/8/99 4:27:24 AM, rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM writes: > > << > > (I discovered this weekend that my girlfriend attended the same school as > > Kelly Johnson. Respect!) > > >> > ================= > this aint no 'can you top this' > but for the second semester of the 73-74 school year > i apparently attended the same school > as nancy spungen > where we both were > for not having been > good li'l boys and girls > (grin/sigh) > > i probably saw her > but i didnt know her. > > hoo hah > > "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Nov 8 07:55:46 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 07:55:46 EST Subject: an observation from a rookie Message-ID: In a message dated 11/8/99 7:49:05 AM, kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET writes: << I first met Huw in a toilet in a pub in the Forest of Dean - just standing at the urinal next to me... Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ ============ ....and ric ocasek has ignored me as we passed on the street both in new york's greenwich village and harvard square! ROFL c'mon, who's next? lololol "<>" From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Mon Nov 8 09:12:47 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:12:47 -0000 Subject: an observation from a rookie Message-ID: Dumpy sprayed lager up my arse onstage at Huddersfield Poly... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 12:55 PM Subject: Re: an observation from a rookie > In a message dated 11/8/99 7:49:05 AM, kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET writes: > > << I first met Huw in a toilet in a pub in the Forest of Dean - just standing > > at the urinal next to me... > > > Kevin Perry > > Sonic Energy Authority > > http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ > > > ============ > ....and ric ocasek has ignored me as we passed on the street > both in new york's greenwich village > and harvard square! > ROFL > > c'mon, who's next? > lololol > > "<>" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Nov 8 09:28:05 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:28:05 -0000 Subject: an observation from a rookie In-Reply-To: <021101bf29f3$55dbe790$3d01a8c0@tpd.co.uk> Message-ID: Eddie Izzard bumped into me and spilled my drink at the Comedy Store once. He was very apologetic, alothough it was probably my fault because I was as pissed as a little beetle at the time. -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Richard Lockwood Sent: 08 November 1999 14:13 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: an observation from a rookie Dumpy sprayed lager up my arse onstage at Huddersfield Poly... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 12:55 PM Subject: Re: an observation from a rookie > In a message dated 11/8/99 7:49:05 AM, kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET writes: > > << I first met Huw in a toilet in a pub in the Forest of Dean - just standing > > at the urinal next to me... > > > Kevin Perry > > Sonic Energy Authority > > http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ > > > ============ > ....and ric ocasek has ignored me as we passed on the street > both in new york's greenwich village > and harvard square! > ROFL > > c'mon, who's next? > lololol > > "<>" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From andy.ball at RD.BBC.CO.UK Mon Nov 8 09:43:24 1999 From: andy.ball at RD.BBC.CO.UK (Andy Ball) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:43:24 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind at Strange Daze 98 MPEG audio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Paul,or any one else who has downloaded these files. Can you help me out? I've downloaded these files (about 60Mb in total) but how do I get to play them. I've changed the file names from "filemame.128" or what ever to "filename.mp3", but I get garbage when I try to play them through several MP3 software players. Please tell me what I'm doing wrong! Cheers, Andy. >> >>BTW, those downloading, remember to transfer in binary mode, and also >>those with slow and/or unreliable connections might want to use an FTP >>client that supports "reget" to resume broken transfers (e.g., NetBSD >>ftp; ncftp for Unix, GetRight [http://www.getright.com/] for >>M$-Windoze). >> >>Cheers, >> >>Paul. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Nov 8 09:45:30 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:45:30 +0000 Subject: an observation from a rookie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, Andy Gilham wrote: > Eddie Izzard bumped into me and spilled my drink at the Comedy Store once. > He was very apologetic, alothough it was probably my fault because I was as > pissed as a little beetle at the time. I saw him on the night he played Cambridge and got beaten up (beforehand). I barely knew who he was then though, but he's difficult to miss. And of course, to be on-topic, I met Danny Maranda, Eric and Buck after the '95 London gig, though Danny was the only one I spoke to, as Charlie Grant sort of took up all the space round the other two... Yours, Jon From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Nov 8 10:36:49 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:36:49 EST Subject: Hawkon '84 Message-ID: In a message dated 11/7/99 2:18:10 PM, bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE writes: << rock 'n roll >> whose? zeppelin's? lou reed's? gary glitter's? "<>" From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Nov 8 10:37:05 1999 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 07:37:05 PST Subject: an observation from a rookie Message-ID: >c'mon, who's next? >lololol > >"<>" I met Arthur Brown in a tiny bar (called the Front Page) in Belfast on the night of his 50th birthday. I told him he was somewhere between genius and madness. He seemed to appreciate this and signed my copy of Journey. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Mon Nov 8 10:45:49 1999 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:45:49 EST Subject: an observation from a rookie Message-ID: at LAX in '92, passed Donnie Osmond in the terminal, carrying his own (considerable) luggage; found myself in line at the 'ticket screw-up window' with Geddy Lee. my pal & I said hi to Lee, extended hands for shaking, etc. and were met with stony silence and a look that i'll NEVER forget. after sorting things out w/tix, we went back to the main terminal where Mr. Osmond was sitting on a bench. we sat next to him, started small talk and let me tell ya, he was a real nice guy! 10-15 mins later, we parted company, all smiles, good luck, etc. though i have NO interest in Osmond's career, and have been a RUSH fan since a joint sold for a dollar, I learned something that day. i learned that Geddy Lee is a dick. seriously: perhaps his ticket screw-up was a real huge deal; perhaps his travel plans were ruined, perhaps blahblah; i can understand how upset one can get due to airport cock-ups. but it only takes 5 seconds to say hi guys, thanks, sorry, but i'm in the middle of a real mess here, nice to meet you, too.' Donny Rules!! rmayo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 8 10:10:40 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:10:40 EDT Subject: an observation from a rookie In-Reply-To: <0.b05cdfe6.25584a2d@aol.com> Message-ID: > From: "Robert C. Mayo" > at LAX in '92, passed Donnie Osmond in the terminal, carrying his own > (considerable) luggage; found myself in line at the 'ticket screw-up window' > with Geddy Lee. my pal & I said hi to Lee, extended hands for shaking, etc. > and were met with stony silence and a look that i'll NEVER forget. Well, this simply confirms a suspicion I've long held. I figured Geddy eavesdrops on this list, and he probably recognized your names, and remembered that you guys didn't hassle me enough when I beat up on ole Geddy! But I tell ya what I would've done when faced with said stony looks and silence. I would've started busting balls about his voice, ask him why he sings like a little girl, etc. I bet that would've busted that stony veneer! > after sorting things out w/tix, we went back to the main terminal where Mr. > Osmond was sitting on a bench. we sat next to him, started small talk and let > me tell ya, he was a real nice guy! 10-15 mins later, we parted company, all > smiles, good luck, etc. though i have NO interest in Osmond's career, and > have been a RUSH fan since a joint sold for a dollar, I learned something > that day. > i learned that Geddy Lee is a dick. Hell, bro, I could have told ya that! From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Mon Nov 8 11:25:52 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:25:52 -0000 Subject: an observation from a rookie Message-ID: I used to work with a guy who had Ralph "Streets of London" McTell come up to him after his band had played a gig and tell him how much he enjoyed it. My ex-colleague disagreed with that remark, and told him to "f*** right off". 'Twas only when he returned to the rest of the band to see them staring at him that he discovered who he was... I'll keep the name of the band / colleague quiet... :-) Cheers, Rich. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Nov 8 06:29:43 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:29:43 +0000 Subject: BOC: Happy b-day Joe Message-ID: Happy birthday Joe Bouchard. . . 51 years old on Tuesday, according to my sources. -- Nick From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Nov 8 13:40:41 1999 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (IAN ABRAHAMS) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:40:41 -0000 Subject: St Austell Coliseum Gig 12/11/99 Message-ID: As I'm new to this discussion group I hope this message isn't "out of order" so to speak! If it is - please accept my apologies! I'm going to the Cornwall Coliseum gig on Friday night. If any discussion group members are there and want to say hi, I will be wearing a denim jacket with a picture of The Joker (from Batman) painted on the back. If I don't look as sad as this sounds, it would be great to meet other members! Ian Abrahams -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Nov 8 15:24:58 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:24:58 -0000 Subject: STONEHENGE '84 Message-ID: Typical HW slide show....was it projected onto the side of a bus. Dave -----Original Message----- From: M Holmes To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 08 November 1999 11:13 Subject: Re: STONEHENGE '84 >david hall writes: > >> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >> >> ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BF28A3.C0B179A0 >> Content-Type: text/plain; >> charset="iso-8859-1" >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> >> When I was at Stonehenge I saw a set by Karma Kanix (who later changed = >> their name to Garden Of Delights) and excellent it was too. I managed to = >> get a tape from their bus after the gig. According to the tape it it = >> features Twink; not the Pink Fairies Twink but, I think, the guy who = >> stood in for Tim Blake on the Levitation tour and had a later involvment = >> with Gong. The band were Norwich based. Anyone know what happened to = >> them? The band had an excellent slide-show too. While I'm on the subject = >> how many of you on the list were at Stonehenge? > >"Mind Your Head" indeed. Was that the slide show projected onto a canvas >dome with loads of space piccies and standing stone? > >FoFP > From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Nov 8 15:57:56 1999 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:57:56 +0000 Subject: HW: Re: St Austell Coliseum Gig 12/11/99 Message-ID: Yep I'll be there but then you probably don't want to meet me! - just look for the elderly little lady who looks just like someone's granny and that'll be me! Drinking beer. Actually if you know of some sensible bed and breakfast place to stay I'd be glad to hear of it. I'm still swithering over whether to stay in Carlyon Bay Hotel and walk to the venue or somewhere in St. Austell and get a taxi out and haven't had a chance to phone to tourist people yet. cheers jill =============================================== > IAN ABRAHAMS wrote: > > As I'm new to this discussion group I hope this message isn't "out of > order" so to speak! If it is - please accept my apologies! > > I'm going to the Cornwall Coliseum gig on Friday night. If any > discussion group members are there and want to say hi, I will be > wearing a denim jacket with a picture of The Joker (from Batman) > painted on the back. > > If I don't look as sad as this sounds, it would be great to meet other > members! > > > Ian Abrahams > -- ====================================================================== Jill Strobridge or J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk ====================================================================== From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Nov 8 18:15:02 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 23:15:02 +0000 Subject: an observation from a rookie In-Reply-To: <0.65fdce27.25582252@aol.com> Message-ID: At 07:55 08.11.1999 EST, you wrote: > >c'mon, who's next? >lololol > >"<>" We-e-e-e-ll Ian Stewart (Stones pianist) was a regular at our jazz club with Rocket 88 (his boogie-woogie band) - and when we wanted to do an "In Memoriam" gig for Alexis Korner (who also came to Notts a lot), he came up with (amongst others less exalted) Charlie Watts (very nice bloke) Jack Bruce (nice bloke - sometimes), Jimmy Page (dead friendly - he let me have a plink on his vintage Les Paul (schlurrp)) and Dick Heckstall-Smith (cool as fuck!). After setup, a bunch of us were in the pub over the road with Jimmy, Charlie & some of the less well known members of the band. Kid walks in, spots Charlie, turns to his girlfriend and says loudly "Hey, look, it's Charlie Watts!"; Charlie groans quietly. "Hey, Charlie, can I have an autograph please?", Charlie, being a nice guys says "OK". Kid then frantically searches for a pen, and something for Charlie to sign. All this time he hasn't noticed JP, who's two seats further round the table, (fairly newly) clean shaven and with a short haircut. Kid gets Charlie's moniker on a beer mat, says "Thanks" and is obviously over the moon. As he turns to go back to his girlfriend and his mates, we all roar with laughter 'coz he has a HUUUUGE embroidered SwanSong logo on the back of his denim jacket. JP blushes with amusement and embarassment, and I just wish I could have seen that kid' face when Jimmy walked on stage, plugged in, leaned up against the proscenium arch, and strummed a few chords to tune up...... ChrisW (Wishing he still had his tape of the show!) P.S. Saw Loudon Wainwright III on Saturday night...great show - nearly two hours of happysad wonderment - one song'd make you weep, the next have you pissing your pants with laughter! "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Mon Nov 8 22:08:46 1999 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (Sen. Volstead) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:08:46 -0600 Subject: OFF: Fwd: Bonzo Dog, fun with translators Message-ID: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Max Headroom" Subject: fun with translators Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 08:16:12 PST Size: 1696 URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 9 11:01:17 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 16:01:17 GMT Subject: Croydon gig Message-ID: Perhaps someone who knows the area could suggest a nearby (ish?) pub with decent ale (and open all day Sunday) where folks could meet before the gig? FoFP From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Nov 9 18:40:06 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 23:40:06 -0000 Subject: an observation from a rookie Message-ID: 1980, at the Glasgow Apollo Motorhead "Ace Of Spades" Tour (a storming gig), Lemmy announced from the stage that the new LP had entered high in the charts (Ace of Spades released in the same week as Levitation, on the same label, Bronze, and the same management, Doug Smith). Later in a queue back-stage for a signing session I pass me copies of white vinyl Motorhead single and mirror sleeve Silver Machine to Lemmy with the words: "Great gig, any idea where Levitation charted" Lemmy "Wouldn't be seen dead crossing the road with those bastards" Guy behind me in the line-up "HW what a bunch of tossers" Lemmy "Shut the **** up" (to the smart-arse behind me) then "Thanks for coming" and passes my records back, signed! Dave -----Original Message----- From: Chris Warburton To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 08 November 1999 23:48 Subject: Re: an observation from a rookie >At 07:55 08.11.1999 EST, you wrote: > >> >>c'mon, who's next? >>lololol >> >>"<>" >We-e-e-e-ll >Ian Stewart (Stones pianist) was a regular at our jazz club with Rocket 88 >(his boogie-woogie band) - and when we wanted to do an "In Memoriam" gig >for Alexis Korner (who also came to Notts a lot), he came up with (amongst >others less exalted) Charlie Watts (very nice bloke) Jack Bruce (nice bloke >- sometimes), Jimmy Page (dead friendly - he let me have a plink on his >vintage Les Paul (schlurrp)) and Dick Heckstall-Smith (cool as fuck!). > >After setup, a bunch of us were in the pub over the road with Jimmy, >Charlie & some of the less well known members of the band. Kid walks in, >spots Charlie, turns to his girlfriend and says loudly "Hey, look, it's >Charlie Watts!"; Charlie groans quietly. >"Hey, Charlie, can I have an autograph please?", Charlie, being a nice guys >says "OK". Kid then frantically searches for a pen, and something for >Charlie to sign. All this time he hasn't noticed JP, who's two seats >further round the table, (fairly newly) clean shaven and with a short >haircut. Kid gets Charlie's moniker on a beer mat, says "Thanks" and is >obviously over the moon. As he turns to go back to his girlfriend and his >mates, we all roar with laughter 'coz he has a HUUUUGE embroidered SwanSong >logo on the back of his denim jacket. JP blushes with amusement and >embarassment, and I just wish I could have seen that kid' face when Jimmy >walked on stage, plugged in, leaned up against the proscenium arch, and >strummed a few chords to tune up...... > >ChrisW >(Wishing he still had his tape of the show!) > >P.S. Saw Loudon Wainwright III on Saturday night...great show - nearly two >hours of happysad wonderment - one song'd make you weep, the next have you >pissing your pants with laughter! > >"a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - >Bierce > From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Nov 9 20:00:43 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:00:43 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Set-list 10/6/99 Message-ID: "Space Does Not Care" is on 88.3fm KUCR every Sat 5-8pm PST. E-mail for removal from/addition to this mailing list and instructions for web-radio. 10/6/99 (a bit "offbeat" this week) 1.Capt. Beefheart--Bat Chain Puller (Shiny Beast ) 2.Blue Oyster Cult--E.T.I. (Extra-terrestrial Intelligence) (Agents of Fortune) 3.Manilla Road--Enter the Warrior (Metal) 4.Alien Planetscapes--Chris in Space (Life on Earth) 5.Architectural Metaphor--All Tomorrow's Parties (Creature of the Velvet Void) 6.Amon Duul II--C.I.D. in Uruk (Carnival in Babylon) 7.Deep Purple--Listen, Learn, Read On (Book of Taliesyn) 8.Daniel Lanois--O Marie (Acadie) 9.Melting Euphoria--Reflections in a Radio Shower (Through the Strands of Time) 10.Beyondomatic--Family Chi (Turn Century Turn comp) 11.Crazy World of Arthur Brown--Prelude - Nightmare (CWoAB) 12. " " " " " --Fanfare - Fire Poem (CWoAB) 13.Hawkwind--Hurry on Sundown (Hawkwind) 14.Man--Bananas (Be Good to Yourself at Least Once a Day) 15.Helios Creed--Bloodred (X-rated Fairytales) 16.Tea Party--The River (Summer Solis) 17.Canned Heat--Change My Ways (Hallelujah) 18. " " --Canned Heat (Hallelujah) 19.Cirith Ungol--Frost and Fire (Frost and Fire) 20.Gong--I've Bin Stone Before/Mister Longshanks: O Mother I am Your Fantasy (Camembert Electrique) 21.Eat Static--Epsylon (Epsylon) 22.Residents--Monkey and Bunny (Hell!) 23.Creedence Clearwater Revival--Penthouse Pauper (Bayou Country) 24.Mirza--Bless This Gathering (Anadromous) 25.Tangerine Dream--Cold Smoke (Electronic Meditation) 26.13th Floor Elevators--Splash #1 (Now I'm Home) (The Psychedelic Sounds of...) 27.Hawkwind--Ghost Dance (Anthology/Acid Daze) 28.Hawkwind--Hashcake '77 (Anthology/Acid Daze) Comments or questions welcome, Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Nov 9 20:09:02 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:09:02 EST Subject: Attn: Doug "Ceres" Pearson Message-ID: Sorry to post this to the list, but I couldn't find his address...and this is of monumental importance: Doug: I hooked up w/F/i's web-site via AI and looking thru their disco. saw that you released their '97 album "Helioscopium"--anymore left??? Chuck OBonTopic: Uh...it looks like I might need one of these damn HW passport dealies. How do I do this again?? From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Tue Nov 9 21:06:26 1999 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 02:06:26 +0000 Subject: HW: Norwich Waterfront 9/11/99 Message-ID: Those who don't want to see tonight's HW setlist, skip this message.......... Harvey was support; played for about 35 mins, the kind of sounds you probably would have expected, with a bass guitarist for all but the first 5 mins. The balding biker-guy who's encored with HW occasionally over the past few years, possibly. Harvey played a nice version of Free Fall. Didn't look especially comfortable onstage - not sure how often he plays concerts these days. With long (now grey) hair he looks like the old man of the mountains, but with a tie-die instead of uh whatever. Enjoyable start, anyway. Hawkwind: Quite relaxed, easy-going and loose. Lots of smiles on stage, maybe the most relaxed I've seen them. Since Nik was advertised on the poster outside, someone shouted "Where's Nik?" to which Dave replied with the obligatory "gone to bed". Much as I like Nik, I'm kinda relieved he wasn't there to mess things up. Simon House was onstage throughout, as was Harvey, though Simon was inaudible for the first 1/2 hour (I never could hear him until "Utopia"), and I had trouble picking out Harvey's sound. Dave seemed to enjoy playing with Harvey again, Not too many songs were played hard or loud, and several jams developed - even dropping down to very very quiet sections. Setlist: Aerospaceage Inferno Ron poem (said he got the idea from National Geographic - cue smart remark from Dave). Motorway City (with the emphasis on the "t" ie Mo*t*orway City instead of "Modorway Siday". Assault & Battery-> Golden Void-> mellow Golden Void jam New Ron tune, sang "Goodbye" a few times. Utopia (the song, not the poem) (40 mins and I suggest tape flip here) Assassins Of Allah (no Palestine) new tune/mellow spacey jam, almost Allman Brothers Band in parts. Ron singing stuff like "Generation, Procreation", other words ending in "ation" High Rise Blue Skin Brainstorm (with mellow intro ha ha) (pretty much exactly 80 mins) ----- Use a second tape for the encore: Warriors At The Edge Of Time The Right Stuff-> Death To.... (is this Song of The Gremlin???) Dave conferred with Richard, looked like Dave's idea to play... Spirit Of The Age (kinda different to expected) looked like they were gonna leave the stage except maybe Jerry didn't want to so he started into... Master Of The Universe. ------------ That's it. Jerry seemed quite unenthusiastic all night, frankly I never even noticed him. Spirit Of The Age was so unexpected (I think tonight was my 49th HW gig and this tune has tended to elude me), and such a different version that I was quite euphoric for all of Spirit and the subsequent MOTU. Up until then, I thought in anunremarkable gig. My 2 buddies thought it was shite. I think it was the relaxedness, and the willingness to explorer a few things differently, especially the quiet jams which I enjoyed (and the same thing they disliked). Oh yeah, one of the "new songs" was Hippie but I wasn't paying so much attention when I made the song list just now, and there was a Paranoia ending to a tune in there as well. If all goes well, Milton Keynes tomorrow should make it 50... Alasdair -- Alasdair Macdonald Page me online: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 Send me E-mail Express direct to my screen: 1573250 at pager.mirabilis.com alimac at netcomuk.co.uk (Alasdair Macdonald) From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Tue Nov 9 23:11:54 1999 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (Sen. Volstead) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:11:54 -0600 Subject: OFF: test (please ignore) Message-ID: Stalin! From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Nov 10 04:03:39 1999 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:03:39 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind - Norwich Waterfront 9/11/99 Message-ID: Hmm - didn't look this email from the Psion5 made it last night... verdict: rough around the edges but rocking! Guests: Simon House, Harvey B support was Harvey & mr. dibs doing floaty improv around Freefall, Dream Worker, Acid Test etc. Hawkwind set : Aerospaceage Inferno Some song about microscopic crustacea (Ron, obviously) Motorway City ! Assault + Battery Golden Void / Night of the Hawks tease new song Arrival in Utopia / Harvey rant / utopia Assassins of Allah / violin solo / Space is their / Assassins Hippy ( suitably so ) High Rise Blue Skin Brainstorm - -- Warriors on the edge of time Right Stuff Spirit of the Age Master of the Universe Harvey doing keys !=3D more Brock guitar - no surprise there! It seems however many people on stage, Dave always looks like he's doing forty tasks at once. Nobody seemed to have a clue what song to play when, but I guess that will get ironed out. House looked rather disinterested for the most part and was a bit to low in the mix, but certainly added something to the set. Definitely catch them. Good amount of t-shirts on sale too. cheers Tim From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Wed Nov 10 06:18:56 1999 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:18:56 +0000 Subject: HW in oxford Message-ID: Last night in the Oxford zodiac HW played, supported by Harvey. Harvey noodled for a bit, and played Freefall (well, he sang it over a bass track, whilst noodling on 3 keyboards). He also did Dreamworker. Hawkwind started at 9:12, with Jerry at the far left, Ron next to him being thin and daubed, playing a headless bass. Behind him was the drum kit, with Richard mainly hidden. Simon House stood between the drums and Dave's keyboards, which Dave hid behind mst of the night, even though he played a lot of guitar. They seemed to enjoy themselves, but it wasn't in my top 50 of HW gigs. Still, I'm glad I went, but to my taste it was one of the worst since Nik was blaring his tuneless sax all over everything in the early 80s. However, that's just me. I'm not quite sure why it didn't work for me, but it just didn't flow or interact as well as they usually do. The set list was along the lines of (and here my talent for not remembering song titles will not help accuracy) Aerospaceage Inferno Ron declaims a poem, about photosynthesis and living on a sphere Motorway City Assualt and Battery/Golden Void during GV Ron's bass string broke, which didn't help, and Richard seemed to be playing a drum machine, another thing which didn't improve this version. A new song(?) with the phrase Can you feel it Arrival in Utopia, with a spoken bit that included the cadillac line from utopia 84. There was also the bass lines from paranioa and flying doctor before ending with AiU. Hassan, with a lovely violin intro Another new song (to me) Space time, fire manifestation something or other High Rise (a highlight of the set for me) Blue Skin Brainstorm, with Rizz who had arived in the venue during Blue Skin. They finished at 10.33, and encored for 6 minutes with Right Stuff and the Gremlin. Dibbs was present but didn't play. Dave said the plan was for Harvey to play with them, but the stage was too small for him, but he would tonight. At the gig I picked up a copy ofr Glastonbury 90 for 12 pounds. Who knows what the correct listing is, because what is on the cover bears no relation to what I heard. They also had the Cllector Series Vol 2:Live 1982 double for 18 pounds. I also got the Spacehead 'in space we trust live 95-98' for 10 pounds. Mike w From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Wed Nov 10 07:37:21 1999 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:37:21 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind at Strange Daze 98 MPEG audio Message-ID: > Andy Ball wrote: > > > Hi Paul,or any one else who has downloaded these files. Can you help me > out? > > I've downloaded these files (about 60Mb in total) but how do I get to > play > > them. > > I've changed the file names from "filemame.128" or what ever to > > "filename.mp3", > > but I get garbage when I try to play them through several MP3 software > > players. > > Please tell me what I'm doing wrong! > > I have the same problem. Anyone out there who can help ?? Bernhard From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Wed Nov 10 14:36:22 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:36:22 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind at Strange Daze 98 MPEG audio In-Reply-To: <043D0206B66DD311BC2500600878D93618DE0B@VEG12_EXCH> Message-ID: > > Andy Ball wrote: > > > > > Hi Paul,or any one else who has downloaded these files. Can you help me > > out? > > > I've downloaded these files (about 60Mb in total) but how do I get to > > play > > > them. > > > I've changed the file names from "filemame.128" or what ever to > > > "filename.mp3", > > > but I get garbage when I try to play them through several MP3 software > > > players. > > > Please tell me what I'm doing wrong! > > > > > I have the same problem. Anyone out there who can help ?? Did you download the files as ASCII? Then you have to download them again, but now as BINARY. It did help me, when I first downloaded MP3's. --BArt From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Wed Nov 10 16:11:43 1999 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:11:43 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind at Strange Daze 98 MPEG audio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > > > Hi Paul,or any one else who has downloaded these files. Can you help me > > > out? > > > > I've downloaded these files (about 60Mb in total) but how do I get to > > > play > > > > them. > > > > I've changed the file names from "filemame.128" or what ever to > > > > "filename.mp3", > > > > but I get garbage when I try to play them through several MP3 software > > > > players. > > > > Please tell me what I'm doing wrong! > > > I have the same problem. Anyone out there who can help ?? >Did you download the files as ASCII? Then you have to download them >again, but now as BINARY. It did help me, when I first downloaded >MP3's. come on it's quite easy to handle go to http://www.globalscape.com/ and download cute ftp 3.5 install it, run the programme and it has to be set-up with transfer-type: auto-detect. host address: gromit.dlib.vt.edu click okay and connect, and there you go. now you can never go wrong again with downloading from ANY ftp server. this program even can resume broken downloads etc. etc. if you want/need to register ask me and i can mail you the serial for it. regards andre From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Nov 10 16:55:44 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:55:44 +0000 Subject: Croydon gig In-Reply-To: <199911091601.QAA28945@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 16:01 09.11.1999 GMT, you wrote: >Perhaps someone who knows the area could suggest a nearby (ish?) pub >with decent ale (and open all day Sunday) where folks could meet before >the gig? > >FoFP Tricky one this...if you walk down in to Croydon centre from E.Croydon station, there are a couple of Wetherspoon type places along the shopping street there (one on each side), but if you carry on past the pedestrianised area, as you get to the bottom of the short steep hill, there's a road on the left where they have the market, and the Youngs pub serves decent ale (it's a "real" pub too!)...I'll try and remember the name! ChrisW (Pissed off 'coz he can't go!) "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Nov 10 22:37:00 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:37:00 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Hawkwind at Strange Daze 98 MPEG audio In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991110220449.0094d590@pop.casema.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, cosmos wrote: => > > I have the same problem. Anyone out there who can help ?? => >Did you download the files as ASCII? Then you have to download them => >again, but now as BINARY. It did help me, when I first downloaded => >MP3's. Hey, I reminded everyone to download them as binary! :-) => come on it's quite easy to handle => go to http://www.globalscape.com/ and download cute ftp 3.5 => install it, run the programme and it has to be set-up with => transfer-type: auto-detect. => host address: gromit.dlib.vt.edu => click okay and connect, and there you go. => now you can never go wrong again with downloading from ANY ftp server. => this program even can resume broken downloads etc. etc. => if you want/need to register ask me and i can mail you the serial for it. Along with the FTP client mentioned above, M$-Windoze users might also like to check out GetRight (for which nobody has to mail you the serial number:), which can be found at http://www.getright.com/. This allows extra features such as off-peak programmed transfers, resumption of aborted transfers; ability to "pause" a download and resume it later; etc. Unix users might want to consider a full-featured FTP client such as ncftp, or the one that comes with NetBSD, both of which allow you to "reget" a file whose transfer has been interrupted, and continue transferring where it left off. The ability to resume transfers is very handy for those using dialup or unreliable connections. Cheers, Paul. NP: The Bevis Frond, _North Circular_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I don't live today; maybe tomorrow..." --- James Marshall Hendrix From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Nov 10 22:39:18 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:39:18 -0500 Subject: OFF: Bardo Pond /Shoegazing?? Message-ID: Chris W. answered Chuck with... >><< I like 'em pretty well, although I should point out that I once toured for >> a week with a band that was opening for them (and had no problem seeing >> them six or seven nights in a row). I'd say don't miss them if you're into >> My Bloody Valentine-type ultra-dense psychedelic shoegaze stuff, but you >> can probably do without if you're more into heavier/pouding >> blanga/stonerrock (hope that puts some perspective on them, at least). >> >> >>---I'm seeing this term a lot lately, refering to music: "shoegazer". What's >>the story w/that? Chuck > >It implies they are introspective/non-demonstrative, I believe the term was >originally coined in the mid to late '80s and was applied originally to the >gloomier "indie" bands of the period - my fuzzy brain seems to connect this >with the generation of bands represented on NME's "C-86" cassette... Yeah, apparently a lot of these groups weren't the most energetic stage performers, and had a tendency to stand still and look straight down...hence the literal application of the term. Musically-speaking, I'm hardly one to qualify the term much, but it was generally a British phenomenon in the late 80s, particularly in the Manchester area. Like some of those bands that preferred one-word titles, just as the 'alternative' bands over here tend to do. I think Ride was the first 'shoegazer' group I heard, and one that didn't really move me so much. They were the more indie-alt. style version, along with MBV and (I believe) Oasis (from the more kiddie-pop angle). (I'm not sure, I've only ever heard one Oasis song.) Anyway, there were others that were more dreamy/spacey even, within that same dense, soupy echo-guitar melange that the shoegazer's loved....e.g., Levitation, Slowdive, and I suppose nowadays, Spiritualized and dark star. And Radiohead's OK Computer a little bit, if you can stand that awful singer. In the US, the first 7% Solution album is quite shoegaze-y, as is Aspera Ad Astra from Philly and SIANspheric from Hamilton, Ontario. It's just never quite caught on so much here, so I guess that's why these bands are still very obscure. Keith H. (FAA) From Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG Thu Nov 11 05:01:04 1999 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG (Olivier Boigey) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:01:04 +0200 Subject: HW: Hawkwind at Strange Daze 98 MPEG audio In-Reply-To: <043D0206B66DD311BC2500600878D93618DE0B@VEG12_EXCH> Message-ID: In message ID <043D0206B66DD311BC2500600878D93618DE0B at VEG12_EXCH> on 10/11/99, BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List wrote: BDL> I have the same problem. Anyone out there who can help ?? BDL> BDL> Bernhard Maybe you should check that your ftp tool has 'raw data' or 'binary' instead of 'text' in the download preferences. Just rename each song in ".mp3" and that's over. Olivier /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Olivier Boigey mailto:olivier_boigey at technolink.org http://www.bwaje.claranet.fr /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Thu Nov 11 04:23:55 1999 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:23:55 +0100 Subject: AW: HW: Hawkwind at Strange Daze 98 MPEG audio Message-ID: Hello folks, many thanks for your help with the mp3-files It works now. My fault was to use NETSCAPE for downloding the files (in ASCII format) IN-EXPLORER made it in binary mode, and it's OK now Thanks again! Bernhard > In message ID <043D0206B66DD311BC2500600878D93618DE0B at VEG12_EXCH> on > 10/11/99, > BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List wrote: > > BDL> I have the same problem. Anyone out there who can help ?? > BDL> > BDL> Bernhard > > Maybe you should check that your ftp tool has 'raw data' or 'binary' > instead of > 'text' in the download preferences. Just rename each song in ".mp3" and > that's > over. > > Olivier > > > /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > Olivier Boigey > mailto:olivier_boigey at technolink.org > http://www.bwaje.claranet.fr > /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > > - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 11 06:44:39 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:44:39 GMT Subject: AW: HW: Hawkwind at Strange Daze 98 MPEG audio In-Reply-To: Pospiech, Bernhard's message of Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:23:55 +0100 Message-ID: OK, I download a file in BINARY mode. I rename it to tackx.mp3 When I try to get this into Cooledit to produce a WAV file to write to CD, I can't seem to import it properly. Are there settings on Cooledit which will work? If not what other program would help? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 11 06:45:41 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:45:41 GMT Subject: Croydon gig In-Reply-To: Chris Warburton's message of Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:55:44 +0000 Message-ID: Chris Warburton writes: > At 16:01 09.11.1999 GMT, you wrote: > >Perhaps someone who knows the area could suggest a nearby (ish?) pub > >with decent ale (and open all day Sunday) where folks could meet before > >the gig? > > > >FoFP > > Tricky one this...if you walk down in to Croydon centre from E.Croydon > station, there are a couple of Wetherspoon type places along the shopping > street there (one on each side), but if you carry on past the > pedestrianised area, as you get to the bottom of the short steep hill, > there's a road on the left where they have the market, and the Youngs pub > serves decent ale (it's a "real" pub too!)...I'll try and remember the name! Keep me posted, though Wetherspoon pubs usually have various real ales on tap so they'd be fine. FoFP From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Thu Nov 11 08:14:08 1999 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:14:08 +0100 Subject: AW: HW: Hawkwind at Strange Daze 98 MPEG audio In-Reply-To: <199911111144.LAA21369@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: >OK, I download a file in BINARY mode. I rename it to tackx.mp3 > >When I try to get this into Cooledit to produce a WAV file to write to >CD, I can't seem to import it properly. Are there settings on Cooledit >which will work? If not what other program would help? > >FoFP cool edit pro doesn't support mp3. use winamp to make a wav of the files and then you can edit the wav's with cool edit pro. andre From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Nov 11 08:43:52 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:43:52 +0000 Subject: Croydon gig In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991110215544.0080d750@mail.clara.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, Chris Warburton wrote: > Tricky one this...if you walk down in to Croydon centre from E.Croydon > station, there are a couple of Wetherspoon type places along the shopping > street there (one on each side), but if you carry on past the > pedestrianised area, as you get to the bottom of the short steep hill, > there's a road on the left where they have the market, and the Youngs pub > serves decent ale (it's a "real" pub too!)...I'll try and remember the name! Take the Youngs pub over the Wetherspoons every time: Special is the greatest beer on tap outside of Yorkshire. IMHO of course :-) Yours, Jon From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 11 09:13:11 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:13:11 GMT Subject: Croydon gig In-Reply-To: Jonathan Jarrett's message of Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:43:52 +0000 Message-ID: Jonathan Jarrett writes: > On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, Chris Warburton wrote: > > > Tricky one this...if you walk down in to Croydon centre from E.Croydon > > station, there are a couple of Wetherspoon type places along the shopping > > street there (one on each side), but if you carry on past the > > pedestrianised area, as you get to the bottom of the short steep hill, > > there's a road on the left where they have the market, and the Youngs pub > > serves decent ale (it's a "real" pub too!)...I'll try and remember the name! > > Take the Youngs pub over the Wetherspoons every time: Special is > the greatest beer on tap outside of Yorkshire. IMHO of course :-) Yours, OK, if someone could get the name of it we could meet up there during the course of the afternoon. Can anyone confirm that it is open in the afternoon. I know that these sassenachs have some strange rules about pub opening hours. FoFP From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Nov 11 09:32:20 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:32:20 -0500 Subject: AW: HW: Hawkwind at Strange Daze 98 MPEG audio In-Reply-To: <199911111144.LAA21369@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, M Holmes wrote: => OK, I download a file in BINARY mode. I rename it to tackx.mp3 => => When I try to get this into Cooledit to produce a WAV file to write to => CD, I can't seem to import it properly. Are there settings on Cooledit => which will work? If not what other program would help? Convert it to WAV first if you're going to edit in CoolEdit. There are several ways to do this. Since you appear to be using M$-Windoze, I recommend getting a copy of WinAmp and then, in the preferences, switch to the WAV Output driver. This will "play" the MP3 to a WAV file on disc, instead of to the soundcard. Voila! You have a WAV file you can write to CD-R (since the source MP3s in this case are at the correct sample size and sample rate; otherwise you'd have to resample before burning). The FAQ for WinAmp explicitly includes information about how to convert MP3s to WAVs using WinAmp (or at least it did). I believe there is a link to the FAQ from within the WinAmp program. Cheers, Paul. PS: Unix users can use MPG123, and pipe the output to a file to make WAV files for CD-R burning. You can also use sox on this output to convert it to various other sound formats, such as AIFF (popular on Macs). e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I don't live today; maybe tomorrow..." --- James Marshall Hendrix From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Nov 11 09:47:46 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:47:46 EST Subject: Fwd: BOC - Jaxx, Springfioeld VA 11/5/99 Message-ID: FROM ADRIAN BREVARD... "<>" In a message dated 11/8/99 10:09:42 AM, tickfan_5 at hotmail.com writes: << Gents: Don't know if they still do this on BOC-L but here is the setlist and a few observations from Fridays gig. Haven't seen a setlist in a looong time so don't know if any of this is a surprise... AB =================================================================== OK here it is the setlist and a few short notes: 1. Stairway to the Stars 2. O.D. On Life Itself 3. ETI 4. Harvest Moon Ok first note...look at those four songs together...one would think you'd be way deep into a rockin' evening but let me tell you...they messed up on all four of those in a row...missed beats, Bobby glaring at Buck...Buck glaring at Alan...Bloom looking confused and Danny just trying to play...vocals were bad, harmonies not in sycnh...missing cues I have never heard Harvest Moon sound so ordinary...at this point I thought I was in for a long nite... 5. Bucks Boogie (CC version) 6. Take me Away 7. Joan Crawford 8. Cities on Flame OK these four were markedly better but still there were a few glitches... BB seemed a bit more extended and not as high energy as in the past...vox on Take Me Away weren't that good and the song seemed to drag a bit...Alan's intro to Joan was good and the song done pretty well overall...Cities just seemed a bit tired. 9. Burnin' For You 10. Harvester of Eyes 11. Last days of May 12. Lips in the Hills Now we were cooking...Burnin' sounded great and finally the band seemed to know the show had started...Harvester sounded oh so good...glad they dusted off this old classic...LDoM, what can I say Buck has made this one a true masterpiece with his showy solo...Lips in the Hills was ferocious... 13. Godzilla 14. DFtR Well now the bass and drum solo's are still in this one and quite frankly I am glad they are...Danny and Bobby really shined under the spotlight...Buck's intro to Reaper was re-freshing and the song itself sounds great as a closing number...keep it there pemanently... Encore - 15. Golden Age of Leather 16. Dominance and Submission Well Friday was Jay Nedry's birthday...Jay is the drummer for local legends the Roadducks and also the owner of Jaxx...he must have been a great mood as the bar stayed open dangerously close to curfew and he let the band play on...in the past I have seen BOC do two song encores...one song and no songs...many times becuase of curfew but not tonite...vocals were a bit strained on on the toast but overall GAoL smoked...I still prefer Al on vocals for D&S, no one but no one can sing this song like Al...but it was high energy and damn tasty to boot... Summary - the second half of the show made up for the first...overall score I'd give it a 7.5 out of 10... AB __________ >> -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "adrian brevard" Subject: BOC - Jaxx, Springfioeld VA 11/5/99 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 10:09:34 EST Size: 3645 URL: From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Nov 11 09:49:31 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:49:31 EST Subject: Fwd: Post this for me, if you would/FROM MR BROOKS re: 11/5/99 Message-ID: In a message dated 11/8/99 2:55:34 PM, Joseph.Brooks at gcccd.net writes: << Almost the exact setlist from when I saw them over a year ago. It saddens me to say it but I am falling seriously out of love with BOC.. after 20+ years of die-hard fandom, which is why I'm no longer on the list and won't be back.(I know, never say never). They are going nowhere. They gave me many years of enjoyment and tons of great memories and for that, I will never forget them. Cya all and thanks for all the list fun.. JB >> -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Joseph Brooks Subject: Post this for me, if you would... Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:55:32 -0800 Size: 3809 URL: From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Nov 11 09:50:48 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:50:48 EST Subject: Fwd: Post this for me, if you would/3 of 3 re; 11/5/99 Message-ID: In a message dated 11/8/99 5:05:48 PM, tickfan_5 at hotmail.com writes: << I can see where JB is comming from but I have learned to live with them "as-is" so to speak...they play better than some of their contemporaries but the same old songs are being heard a bit too much...if they have any aspirations of being a bit more than a nostalga act they have to score pretty big with the new album and learn to play some of their other songs from Fire, RBN, CN and dare I say it Imagoinos? Ah JB gotta keep the faith...its not easy being an Oyster fan and it never was. Ciao AB >> -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "adrian brevard" Subject: Re: Fwd: Post this for me, if you would... Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 17:05:34 EST Size: 1673 URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 11 10:01:18 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:01:18 GMT Subject: Collector's Vol.2: Live '82: FAO Band Message-ID: It arrived this morning and I'm listening to it now. It's pretty much the 1982 equivalent of The Business Trip. It's a double CD with a fairly plain cover consisting of the Masque. It doesn't match the Edinburgh Live '82 video so it's not from that gig though it's clearly from the late '82 tour. It has "Warriors at the Edge of Time" on it, spoken by Moorcock, possibly the same version as on Out and Intake. This would place the gig as London Hammersmith 12.11.82 Can anyone confirm this? Note to distributors: when you're producing a Collectors Edition then the where and the when of it is the sort of thing they expect to be told. The track order has been messed with. It doesn't have the "Outer Limits" intro which IMHO is a shame. It does have the now apparently obligatory misnamed track on the cover. For some reason the first half of Social Alliance is missing and the track begins with the middle section. Since a CD can take 78 minutes then two of 'em ought to have been enough to cover the whole gig without cutting stuff out. The booklet has stuff from the tour programme for that year. It also has a tear off section to which stamps from further Collectors releases can be stuck and sent in for a free CD. This is irritating because obviously collectors don't like to tear off tearoff strips since collectors like to have their collections as pristine as possible. I hope the band can think of some better arrangement to confirm True Kollectors in order to distibute the free CD. So it's a very good package soundwise and it'll certainly see a lot of play on my machine, but otherwise better attention to detail is warranted. I also note that the Glastonbury '90 CD isn't on the Collectors list in this package. Does this mean that it's been dropped? Or is that the free CD? Enquiring minds want to know... FoFP From corwyn2 at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Nov 11 10:19:28 1999 From: corwyn2 at MINDSPRING.COM (Michael Habiby) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:19:28 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind at Strange Daze 98 MPEG audio In-Reply-To: <69730302.159500992@technolink.org> Message-ID: Attention: As it is not copyrighted this concert has been posted to alt.binaires.sounds.MP3.bootlegs and cross posted in ....1970's, ... sounds... and ...heavymetal on Monday and will be reposted on Friday around 7pm est. The tracks have been renamed and the MP3 tags have been filled in. Recommend you use the free software Forte free agent to download this concert. Mike From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Nov 11 10:21:19 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy.Gilham) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:21:19 -0000 Subject: Collector's Vol.2: Live '82: FAO Band In-Reply-To: <199911111501.PAA25120@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > > The booklet has stuff from the tour programme for that year. It also has > a tear off section to which stamps from further Collectors releases can > be stuck and sent in for a free CD. This is irritating because obviously > collectors don't like to tear off tearoff strips since collectors like > to have their collections as pristine as possible. I hope the band can > think of some better arrangement to confirm True Kollectors in order to > distibute the free CD. Surely True Kollectors buy two copies in that case? :) -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Nov 11 10:51:49 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:51:49 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind at Strange Daze 98 MPEG audio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Michael Habiby wrote: => Attention: => => As it is not copyrighted this concert has been posted to => alt.binaires.sounds.MP3.bootlegs and cross posted in ....1970's, ... So does this mean we can expect to see _Masters of the Universe '98_ on some obscure Italian label appear in the Codex in the near future? ;-) (Actually, the concert must be copyrighted by someone [the person who recorded it]; I just don't know by whom! Someone uploaded it to my FTP site, and I just moved it to the download area as a service to BOC-L folks. I sincerely hope it doesn't end up as a bootleg as a result.) Cheers, Paul. NP: Cephas and Wiggins, _Dog Days of August_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I don't live today; maybe tomorrow..." --- James Marshall Hendrix From corwyn2 at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Nov 11 11:27:34 1999 From: corwyn2 at MINDSPRING.COM (Michael Habiby) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:27:34 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind at Strange Daze 98 MPEG audio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Alas yes this is probably true. But what can you do. I have found that the listers are just a small percentage of the Hawkwind fans out there and felt that making the music available to all would be a nice thing to do. Cheers Mike NP at work - Hawkwind live from Mineapolis 1989 You so thoughtfully wrote just not too long ago >So does this mean we can expect to see _Masters of the Universe '98_ on >some obscure Italian label appear in the Codex in the near future? ;-) > >(Actually, the concert must be copyrighted by someone [the person who >recorded it]; I just don't know by whom! Someone uploaded it to my FTP >site, and I just moved it to the download area as a service to BOC-L >folks. I sincerely hope it doesn't end up as a bootleg as a result.) > >Cheers, > >Paul. > >NP: Cephas and Wiggins, _Dog Days of August_ From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Thu Nov 11 11:45:32 1999 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 16:45:32 -0000 Subject: Collector's Vol.2: Live '82: FAO Band In-Reply-To: <199911111501.PAA25120@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: I too bought the Glastonbury 90 CD. What a larf! Tracks are: intro Angels Of Death Golden Void Brainstorm Bridget poem Ejection (Audience conversation about bootlegs/?5) Bridget / Sandman / jam Assassins Of Allah Dream Worker jam (barking dogs) Images (I think) - guy asks taper if they have any Rizlas. Barely acceptable recording quality - audience source, and quite comical from time to time what with all the barking dogs. Tracklist bears *no resemblance* to back cover. Performance-wise: OK, interesting, certainly not up to the Dec '89 shows. I have a tape from Hammersmith 82 with Moorcock - the CDs were for sale at the gigs for ?12 single ?18 double, which is a lot more than the mail Order prices, so I will prolly wait a few weeks to order them all in one go, and compare then. What is the source? Board or audience? And didn't Social Alliance occur approx 45 mins into the 1982 set .... I'm sure that would explain the cut. Also... In Peterborough yesterday I saw a new Demi Monde compilation, something something 2000, a double CD with what appeared to be Space Ritual (II I suppose) and a second CD, details of which were obscured by price ticket etc. I could see something about Live Cambridge.... the rest i don't know. Has this been spotted before? Alasdair On 11 Nov 99, at 15:01, M Holmes wrote: > It arrived this morning and I'm listening to it now. It's pretty much > the 1982 equivalent of The Business Trip. It's a double CD with a > fairly plain cover consisting of the Masque. > > It doesn't match the Edinburgh Live '82 video so it's not from that > gig though it's clearly from the late '82 tour. > > It has "Warriors at the Edge of Time" on it, spoken by Moorcock, > possibly the same version as on Out and Intake. This would place the > gig as London Hammersmith 12.11.82 Can anyone confirm this? > > Note to distributors: when you're producing a Collectors Edition then > the where and the when of it is the sort of thing they expect to be > told. > > The track order has been messed with. It doesn't have the "Outer > Limits" intro which IMHO is a shame. It does have the now apparently > obligatory misnamed track on the cover. For some reason the first half > of Social Alliance is missing and the track begins with the middle > section. Since a CD can take 78 minutes then two of 'em ought to have > been enough to cover the whole gig without cutting stuff out. > > The booklet has stuff from the tour programme for that year. It also > has a tear off section to which stamps from further Collectors > releases can be stuck and sent in for a free CD. This is irritating > because obviously collectors don't like to tear off tearoff strips > since collectors like to have their collections as pristine as > possible. I hope the band can think of some better arrangement to > confirm True Kollectors in order to distibute the free CD. > > So it's a very good package soundwise and it'll certainly see a lot of > play on my machine, but otherwise better attention to detail is > warranted. > > I also note that the Glastonbury '90 CD isn't on the Collectors list > in this package. Does this mean that it's been dropped? Or is that the > free CD? > > Enquiring minds want to know... > > FoFP > -- Page me online: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 Send me E-mail Express direct to my screen: 1573250 at pager.mirabilis.com alimac at netcomuk.co.uk (Alasdair Macdonald) From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Nov 11 12:44:41 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:44:41 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Hawkwind at Strange Daze 98 MPEG audio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Michael Habiby wrote: => Alas yes this is probably true. But what can you do. => => I have found that the listers are just a small percentage of the Hawkwind => fans out there and felt that making the music available to all would be a => nice thing to do. Actually, that wasn't a crack at you, but at those profiteers (and Codex Komplicators:) who would seek to make money off something they shouldn't. I had a quick skeg in the alt.binaries.sounds.mp3 newsgroup hierarchy, and noticed some folks posting MPEG audio from legit official commercial Hawkwind releases, which, IMHO, is Not Cool (but call me old fashioned). (Let's think of the band's retirement fund here, peoples!!!;) Hey, maybe if I keep scanning those newsgroups, I'll find someone's posted the new Collector's Series releases, or those Passport-holder- only releases, and save me the hassle of doing that passport application nonsense... >;-) BTW, does anyone know of any great MPEG audio encoding software? I have used BladeEnc before, under Unix, but am not entirely happy with it. Reply directly, as this is going too far off topic. (Hint: If I find some good software---sound quality wise---more Hawkwind/BOC bootlegs can appear on my FTP site.) Cheers, Paul. NP: Jethro Tull, _Thick As A Brick_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I don't live today; maybe tomorrow..." --- James Marshall Hendrix From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Thu Nov 11 13:22:27 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 19:22:27 +0100 Subject: Collector's Vol.2: Live '82: FAO Band In-Reply-To: <199911111501.PAA25120@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 15:01 11.11.99 +0000, you wrote: >It has "Warriors at the Edge of Time" on it, spoken by Moorcock, >possibly the same version as on Out and Intake. This would place the >gig as London Hammersmith 12.11.82 Can anyone confirm this? Confirmed !! Bernhard From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Thu Nov 11 13:53:48 1999 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:53:48 EST Subject: is this thing on? or does space really not care? Message-ID: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: RMayo19761 at aol.com Subject: Fwd: hawkdisc query Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 20:53:01 EST Size: 1786 URL: From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Thu Nov 11 14:03:36 1999 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 20:03:36 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: HW: Hawkwind at Strange Daze 98 MPEG audio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >BTW, does anyone know of any great MPEG audio encoding software? I have >used BladeEnc before, under Unix, but am not entirely happy with it. >Reply directly, as this is going too far off topic. > >(Hint: If I find some good software---sound quality wise---more >Hawkwind/BOC bootlegs can appear on my FTP site.) hi paul the best software to encode cd's to mp'3 is audiocatalyst 2.1 this is the most recent version and it's probably the best on the market. for details see http://www.xingtech.com it's easy to use too. regards andre From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Nov 11 14:48:56 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy.Gilham) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 19:48:56 -0000 Subject: is this thing on? or does space really not care? In-Reply-To: <0.d85549c3.255c6abc@aol.com> Message-ID: Try one of the UK-based internet mail order places, like www.yalplay.com or www.amazon.co.uk, for Space Ritual; Warrior isn't currently available, but it's hoped to be reissued early next year. The bonus tracks on Space Ritual are Shouldn't Do That off of _Roadhawks_ and the two Greasy Trcukers cuts, nothing to to with SR2. See www.hawkwind.com for more info! -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Nov 11 14:52:30 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:52:30 EST Subject: is this thing on? or does space really not care? Message-ID: In a message dated 11/11/99 1:55:26 PM, RMayo19761 at AOL.COM writes: << hello all; been looking for a place on-line where i can find the emi remasters of ' a space ritual' and 'warrior on the edge of time' (i have the other 2 lemmy-era remasters). can't find 'em on all of the mega-shops on-line (cdnow, etc.). any advice? while i'm on the subject, does emi's 'space ritual' remaster simply combine the trax on the original 'sr'+ 'srII' ; or do completists (hello) who own the 'sr' remaster also need 'srII' as well? moving on... i,ve noticed that the 'lemmy-era' singles, when listened to together as on a comp tape (thanks lb) almost sound like they came from a seperate band, a band that fits in really well between motorhead's 'on parole' & chiswick 'debut' and the pink fairies. i realize that on a 45 there's no room to jam, and perhaps (?) airplay was the goal....any thoughts? educate me rmayo >> ========== it's deja vu all over again! rerun time too! ========= << while i'm on the subject, does emi's 'space ritual' remaster simply combine the trax on the original 'sr'+ 'srII' ; or do completists (hello) who own the 'sr' remaster also need 'srII' as well? ============ yep; EMI has no part of 'sr2', last i knew... it would probly be a drag to have both edited(sr1) and unedited(sr2) versions of 'brainstorm' in the same cd set. and yes, gang, it's the same cut; dont even start ^_~. listen for king to drop his stick during the middle 'chant' section. but there are other, 'un-same' songs which also would be duplicated if the two sr's were combined. ======== <> ====== well, consider that this bunch unexpectedly had a top 5 single in ....well, you know...(grin) and the follow-up wasjust starting to climb when it was yanked from release.... so the record co. must've been wishin' and a hopin' for another hit from 'em, somehow...with the 'guidance' of doug smith, i presume... but of course, airplay was the goal. twas a time when 'airplay' wasnt automatically a dirty word....not that it could be said that HW was particularly adept at coming up w/'radio hits'.... but, now and forever, 'silver machine' has lit the path on which their journey has persisted through these years... "<>" ====== audio-anal trivia for the day: a close listen reveals that as 'orgone accumulator' ends and 'upside down' is beginning on sr1, the moment king kicks in, they cut to a different performance of 'upside down'. the tuning is just a wee hair different.... ======== and the ps: In a message dated 11/7/99 11:30:08 AM, DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: << but of course, airplay was the goal. twas a time when 'airplay' wasnt automatically a dirty word....not that it could be said that HW was particularly adept at coming up w/'radio hits'.... >> ========= upon reflexion, airplay =would= have been a bit of a dirty word to the 'underground', stoned-out, lemmy-era gang. "silver machine" was sweet accident for them; it proved difficult to try to do it on purpose. "<>" From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Fri Nov 12 01:18:03 1999 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 01:18:03 EST Subject: HAWKWIND / BOC what's the point? space does not care Message-ID: well: i've been signed on for a month now, and i'm left wondering if my magic machine is working correctly. i've been virtually ignored (except by a close personal friend, a friend who forwarded me your list for months and helped me sign up); i've posted a few things that i feel deserve some response, or in some cases directly requested responses, and got zip. my latest (Hawkwind-related) query was posted 2X before someone responded. probably out of pity. was i filtered out of most of the Hawkwinder's lists because most of the replies to my first few postings were BOC-related? if so, then what the hell am i doing here? you represent youselves as a group who are here to exchange ideas, opinions, and information. what it looks like to me is a clique of exclusionary elitists exchanging reminiscences and nit-picking over microscopic detail, to the exclusion of outsiders who are wanting in. you'll only talk to others who know exactly what you're talking about. who can learn from that? neither you nor me. i'm a fan! i wanted to learn from you all! what i've learned is that i'm not s avvy enough for your club. what you've lost here is someone who's gotten into hawkwind in the last 5 yrs (through a good friend and member of the list, and through Motorhead fandom): a newcomer's perspective, some fresh, objective opinions; a metal fan's POV, a huge Lemmy supporter with an interest in the band's history, a collector looking to fill in some holes in a fast-growing collection--but here is not the place for the eager novice. here is the place to exchange war/gig stories, drop names, and play hipper-than-thou. so i've had my say, at least to those who haven't filtered me. life goes on. rmayo From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Fri Nov 12 02:06:54 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:06:54 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: HAWKWIND / BOC what's the point? space does not care In-Reply-To: <0.cb3cbd2f.255d0b1b@aol.com> Message-ID: > well: > i've been signed on for a month now, and i'm left wondering if my magic > machine is working correctly. i've been virtually ignored (except by a close > personal friend, a friend who forwarded me your list for months and helped me > sign up); i've posted a few things that i feel deserve some response, or in > some cases directly requested responses, and got zip. my latest Well: I have had the same experience. When I first signed to the group_over a year ago now_I had the feeling that what I posted, was ignored. I still do not know why, but i had the feeling that's what happened. Somewhere along he line I got the "feeling" for the group, I strated to understand the unwritten rules, the culture so to say. I still do not know how to call it, people started responding, to at least some of my mail. Sometimes, though, I still can have the feeling that some mail needs responding, but it just doesn't happen. > (Hawkwind-related) query was posted 2X before someone responded. probably out > of pity. was i filtered out of most of the Hawkwinder's lists because most of > the replies to my first few postings were BOC-related? if so, then what the > hell am i doing here? I am a hawkwinder, I do like BOC (a little), and I have filtered out the BOC part of the list. > you represent youselves as a group who are here to exchange ideas, opinions, > and information. what it looks like to me is a clique of exclusionary > elitists exchanging reminiscences and nit-picking over microscopic detail, to Yes, this sometimes is true. I still ignore most of the posting about who was playing where on what occasion and what song they were playing and on wich cd, lp, tape or bootleg that is on. I just do not care, like space. But this behaviour can very much scare off newbies. > the exclusion of outsiders who are wanting in. you'll only talk to others who > know exactly what you're talking about. who can learn from that? neither you > nor me. > i'm a fan! i wanted to learn from you all! what i've learned is that i'm not s > avvy enough for your club. > what you've lost here is someone who's gotten into hawkwind in the last 5 yrs You dicovered HW just 5 yrs after me :-) I sometime get the idea that the people on the list were already there when I was still in me dipers ;-) > (through a good friend and member of the list, and through Motorhead fandom): > a newcomer's perspective, some fresh, objective opinions; a metal fan's POV, > a huge Lemmy supporter with an interest in the band's history, a collector > looking to fill in some holes in a fast-growing collection--but here is not For HW there is large hole, when you are trying o be a completist. > the place for the eager novice. here is the place to exchange war/gig > stories, drop names, and play hipper-than-thou. > so i've had my say, at least to those who haven't filtered me. > life goes on. Yeah, life does go on, and so does this list. Stay on, do not give up yet. It is a clear sing to the listers, and try to follow the discussion, and ad your own flavour to it! --BArt > rmayo From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Fri Nov 12 02:40:23 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:40:23 +0900 Subject: HW: Re: HAWKWIND / BOC what's the point? space does not care Message-ID: Bart Brugmans wrote: > > well: > > i've been signed on for a month now, and i'm left wondering if my magic > > machine is working correctly. i've been virtually ignored (except by a close > > personal friend, a friend who forwarded me your list for months and helped me > > sign up); i've posted a few things that i feel deserve some response, or in > > some cases directly requested responses, and got zip. my latest > Well: I have had the same experience. When I first signed to the > group_over a year ago now_I had the feeling that what I posted, was > ignored. I still do not know why, but i had the feeling that's what > happened. > Somewhere along he line I got the "feeling" for the group, I strated > to understand the unwritten rules, the culture so to say. I still do > not know how to call it, people started responding, to at least some > of my mail. Sometimes, though, I still can have the feeling that some > mail needs responding, but it just doesn't happen. > Same here. I don't know why some posts get responses and some don't. Maybe what interests me doesn't interest others on the list, so these days I just read and post very rarely. Every list has its regulars, and often you get the feeling that you're trespassing on their private chats. I have to say that this list has proved more welcoming than others to newbies. There is a culture here, though I don't know what it is, and it's definitely stronger on the HW side of the list. (I'm a "Hawkwinder" but I take the BOC side as well, and the OFFs) > > > i'm a fan! i wanted to learn from you all! what i've learned is that i'm not s > > avvy enough for your club. > > what you've lost here is someone who's gotten into hawkwind in the last 5 yrs > You dicovered HW just 5 yrs after me :-) > I sometime get the idea that the people on the list were already > there when I was still in me dipers ;-) > I know this feeling, too! I first saw HW in 1974, (I was 12 and it was a field full of some very strange people, one of which was my cousin.) and I've been a fan ever since, with and without "enhancement." I thought I was a completist till I read the codex, and I thought I knew a deal of Trivia till I joined this list. I agree with Bart, don't give up, it's entertaining reading even if you don't feel like contributing (I might even have talked myself into posting more) It's hard enough being a HW or a BOC fan these days! Dave From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Fri Nov 12 05:13:22 1999 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:13:22 +0000 Subject: HW Croydon Message-ID: OK, I'm going to be there, and I'd like to meet up before hand. Have we setteld on a pub yet? Is Croydon East the best station to aim for from Central London? Who else is going, and so who else can I hope to see in a pub that is yet to be finalised? Mike w From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Nov 12 05:20:56 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy.Gilham) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:20:56 -0000 Subject: HW Croydon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Croydon East is best, tons of trains from Victoria. Closer to the venue I think too, though I try never to go to Croydon as a rule. Haven't a clue about pubs there! Give us a ring on my mobile (07785 742 996) might be the best bet. It's bloody seated, isn't it. I hate seated venues. -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of M S Wright > Sent: 12 November 1999 10:13 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: HW Croydon > > > OK, I'm going to be there, and I'd like to meet up before hand. Have we > setteld on a pub yet? > > Is Croydon East the best station to aim for from Central London? > > Who else is going, and so who else can I hope to see in a pub that is yet > to be finalised? > > Mike w > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 12 05:34:02 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:34:02 GMT Subject: HW Croydon In-Reply-To: M S Wright's message of Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:13:22 +0000 Message-ID: M S Wright writes: > OK, I'm going to be there, and I'd like to meet up before hand. Have we > setteld on a pub yet? > > Is Croydon East the best station to aim for from Central London? > > Who else is going, and so who else can I hope to see in a pub that is yet > to be finalised? I'm going. I suggest that someone just name a pub or give very specific directions to one. This needs decided today folks. FoFP From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Nov 12 05:39:17 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:39:17 -0000 Subject: HW Croydon Message-ID: The easiest pub to find is the George, on George Street. Turn right out of East Croydon station, walk down the road for about 200 yards - cross over at the junction (Barclays bank on the corner), keep going in a straight line (this is now George Street), the George is the big Wetherspoons, about 100 yards down on the Right. Have a good one guys. Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: M Holmes To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 10:34 AM Subject: Re: HW Croydon > M S Wright writes: > > > OK, I'm going to be there, and I'd like to meet up before hand. Have we > > setteld on a pub yet? > > > > Is Croydon East the best station to aim for from Central London? > > > > Who else is going, and so who else can I hope to see in a pub that is yet > > to be finalised? > > I'm going. I suggest that someone just name a pub or give very specific > directions to one. This needs decided today folks. > > FoFP __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Fri Nov 12 05:49:16 1999 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:49:16 +0000 Subject: Bedouin (sort of) tonight Message-ID: Dear people, Apparently there is an Ace Of Spades gig tonight at Swindon, The Victoria. I have a vague idea of where this is, apparently the band will be going on around 9:30. Has anyone seen this incarnation of the band, do they do entirely motorhaed covers? Any information greatfully received. Mike w From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Nov 12 05:55:49 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 05:55:49 EST Subject: OFF: too early to bail..... Message-ID: i showed up here in jan or feb with my subvox shoes on, and was mostly greeted by arched eyebrows, folks looking down their noses going (in effect) "oh...really..." i then made the titanically gross mistake of sending that girl-hit-by-train AVI to them, a/k/a "today's mindfuck". the best i got was people quite offended, and i had overloaded mail servers left and right. very bad scene. i know a lot more about mail servers nowadays...heh... later, a fellow boc'er had whatever virus was trendy just then and i inadvertantly passed it on to half a dozen non-group friends (i have a macintosh; it couldnt hurt me). then i frantically called or e-mailed all those people so that they would delete that mail. and they did.....but before i found at the boc'er in question was as much a victim of the virus as anyone, i was 'shouting' and cursing up a storm at BOC-L. these are both examples of my resolving to quit boc-l but not remembering how to do it. and so i have remained. i had to take off the subvox shoes, but there are some pretty neat people here, and i think i mended fences where i had to. chat groups, of which there are zillions, can be their own little worlds. this is not to say you've been ignored. i am not thinking so. one's ability or interest in participating can ebb and flow. yours, mine, theirs.... some of these folx have been here for a decade. some are involved with a variety of other chats too. some are what they call 'lurkers' who may or may not ever post at all. ...and on various occasions i've busted a gut trying to write a post which would elicit a response, only to get....silence. but anyway, i think it's too early to be discouraged. your geddy lee anecdote got a response from mr theo which made me, literally, (lol) laugh out loud. this is "chatworld", and you've just gotta go with it.....or not. but me, i think you should consider hanging around, even if you become a 'lurker'. just gotta pick your spots, comrade. larry "<>" From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 12 06:00:18 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:00:18 GMT Subject: HAWKWIND / BOC what's the point? space does not care In-Reply-To: Robert C. Mayo's message of Fri, 12 Nov 1999 01:18:03 EST Message-ID: Robert C. Mayo writes: > well: i've been signed on for a month now, and i'm left wondering if > my magic machine is working correctly. i've been virtually ignored > (except by a close personal friend, a friend who forwarded me your > list for months and helped me sign up); i've posted a few things that > i feel deserve some response, or in some cases directly requested > responses, and got zip. my latest (Hawkwind-related) query was posted > 2X before someone responded. probably out of pity. Don't take it too personally. A number of people here are reading email at work and sometimes it's just not possible to reply. > was i filtered > out of most of the Hawkwinder's lists because most of the replies to > my first few postings were BOC-related? I have to say that I've never filtered anything from this group. > if so, then what the hell am i > doing here? you represent youselves as a group who are here to > exchange ideas, opinions, and information. Well there's been a lot of information, and sometimes so many ideas that they've had to be declared off topic. > what it looks like to me > is a clique of exclusionary elitists exchanging reminiscences and > nit-picking over microscopic detail, to the exclusion of outsiders who > are wanting in. There being some serious Kollectors here, and the bands having been around for quite some time, I'm afraid that for many of us, it's the details which are important. That doesn't mean however that there's any active attempt to exclude anyone. > you'll only talk to others who know exactly what > you're talking about. who can learn from that? neither you nor me. > i'm a fan! i wanted to learn from you all! what i've learned is that > i'm not s avvy enough for your club. what you've lost here is someone > who's gotten into hawkwind in the last 5 yrs (through a good friend > and member of the list, and through Motorhead fandom): a newcomer's > perspective, some fresh, objective opinions; a metal fan's POV, a huge > Lemmy supporter with an interest in the band's history, a collector > looking to fill in some holes in a fast-growing collection--but here > is not the place for the eager novice. here is the place to exchange > war/gig stories, drop names, and play hipper-than-thou. so i've had > my say, at least to those who haven't filtered me. life goes on. As a contrary opinion (who me?) I'd say that this is one of the most active groups of people I've ever had the pleasure to know. Many projects concocted by people who only know others by email would fail through simple apathy. Here I've seen the creation of the discographies, the Codex, band histories, personnel and gig lists, some amazing web sites, the creation and distribution of several rounds of t-shirts, the compilation from amongst the group of a set of covers tapes and their subsequent distribution to anyone who wanted a set, various tape trees, people hunting rare albums and singles for folks in other countries, trading of tapes and CD's on an impressive scale, the setting up of our own currency exchange scheme. I've met people here before gigs and while travelling. I've had computing advice from people (and I'm paid to give computing advice). So if you think folks here are playing Hipper Than Thou, I think you're just flat wrong, though I worry about the kind of miscommunication that would lead someone to that conclusion. I believe that the amount of cooperation to complete projects here by people who've usually never met and have no particular reason to trust anyone else to do their part is quite simply astonishing. It's all still happening too. I used to go to SF conventions. At first that meant spending a weekend in a hotel with folks you didn't know from Adam, and who all seemed to have peculiar and obsessional interests. Best advice, I was told, was to volunteer as a gofer (gofer this and gofer that) where you make yourself a flunky at the disposition of the Con committee. It's a hell of a way to get to know people, and I've learned that it applies to any club where you're a newbie. So before you give up on us entirely, I suggest offering your services to folks who want to build a website or compile a discography, or start a project of your own and recruit help. I truly believe you'll be impressed by the results. > rmayo FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 12 06:01:33 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:01:33 GMT Subject: HW Croydon In-Reply-To: Richard Lockwood's message of Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:39:17 -0000 Message-ID: Richard Lockwood writes: > The easiest pub to find is the George, on George Street. Turn right out of > East Croydon station, walk down the road for about 200 yards - cross over at > the junction (Barclays bank on the corner), keep going in a straight line > (this is now George Street), the George is the big Wetherspoons, about 100 > yards down on the Right. > > Have a good one guys. OK, let's make it The George then. I'll try to get there mid-afternoon. I'm a short blond opinionated Scotsman and I'll prolly be wearing a nethawks t-shirt. See y'all there... FoFP From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Nov 12 06:11:48 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy.Gilham) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:11:48 -0000 Subject: HW Croydon In-Reply-To: <199911121101.LAA20580@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > OK, let's make it The George then. I'll try to get there mid-afternoon. > I'm a short blond opinionated Scotsman and I'll prolly be wearing a > nethawks t-shirt. > > See y'all there... And I think everyone will know me, but I'm the Brad Pitt lookalike and I'll probably wear my Atari Teeange Riot tee. -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Fri Nov 12 06:11:37 1999 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:11:37 +0000 Subject: HW Croydon In-Reply-To: <199911121101.LAA20580@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, M Holmes wrote: > > The easiest pub to find is the George, on George Street. Turn right out of > > East Croydon station, walk down the road for about 200 yards - cross over at > > the junction (Barclays bank on the corner), keep going in a straight line > > (this is now George Street), the George is the big Wetherspoons, about 100 > > yards down on the Right. > > OK, let's make it The George then. I'll try to get there mid-afternoon. > I'm a short blond opinionated Scotsman and I'll prolly be wearing a > nethawks t-shirt. OK, I'll be there about 6ish. I'll be the tall big boned one (that is for the benefit of anyone who hasn't seen me, not FoFP who has) Mike w From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri Nov 12 07:04:19 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:04:19 +0000 Subject: HW Croydon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 11:11 12.11.1999 -0000, Andy wrote: >> OK, let's make it The George then. I'll try to get there mid-afternoon. >> I'm a short blond opinionated Scotsman and I'll prolly be wearing a >> nethawks t-shirt. As I recall, that's how I got to meet the gang at Shepherd's Bush - I spotted the very same t-shirt! >> >> See y'all there... > >And I think everyone will know me, but I'm the Brad Pitt lookalike You wish!!!! *g* >and I'll probably wear my Atari Teeange Riot tee. No surprises there then! So, I wrote a note about trains & pubs as reply to the first mail I opened this morning, only to find that everything in it had been superceded when I read the rest of my mail, so I've deleted it, and I'll just say "Have a great time everybody" (boo hoo) and spare a thought for li'l ole me. Ah well, maybe I'll get the consolation prize of Bedouin! Cheers, ChrisW "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Fri Nov 12 08:20:03 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:20:03 -0500 Subject: BOC: Live at the Middle East - 11/10/99 Message-ID: While AB submitted a review of the Jaxx show that had the band sounding less than stellar, I found a much different experience Wednesday night in Boston (o.k., Cambridge). I did not notice any sloppiness or "glaring" mentioned at Jaxx. Also, as you can see, there were a few surprises in the setlist (o.k., nothing MAJOR, but still noteworthy). Also, it appears the order of some songs was a bit different. John A fantastic show last night by the almighty BOC. Setlist in approximate order (there's probably a few between "Buck's Boogie" and "Godzilla" that aren't quite right order-wise): Stairway to the Stars Before the Kiss E.T.I. Harvest Moon Burnin' For You Harvester of Eyes Buck's Boogie Take Me Away Joan Crawford Last Days Of May Lips in the Hills Cities On Flame Godzilla Reaper (Encores) Summer Of Love Slow Down Dominance and Submission Fantastic setlist, fantastic performance. Also a major surprise (to me) set of guests in the audience - none other than Bolle and Lisa from the West Coast. I suspect that their presence may have prompted an extra song or 2 in the setlist (like Slow Down). John From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Nov 12 10:17:32 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:17:32 -0500 Subject: OFF: Response (and lack thereof) Message-ID: Hi Folks... Have just been reading the comments about those who have felt ignored. I think many of us have had similar experiences (especially early on), but with time comes less expectation. I'm not sure what it takes to drive the list to pick up on any particular thread. But the amount of posting is certainly not evenly distributed, i.e., there are relatively few here providing a majority of the list's volume. And if you don't inspire one of those few, then you must *really* inspire the lurker types to elicit any response. And also, any newcomer might post something that the list feels is ground that has already been tread over numerous times, and be hesitant to feed that monster once more. Anyway, I don't let it get to me personally when ignored, it happens to us all. I got zero response to my announcement of Quarkstock 2000, which tells me that a vacation in Columbus, OH (even to see live space rock) is not a particularly popular idea. That's ok, this isn't my real hometown, and I don't find anything exciting about Columbus either. I think the posts that get the most response are those that have shock-horror value and especially ones that you unintentionally (or even intentionally!) include some historical ignorance/blatant error. Or controversial suggestion. As in SIAYRA from Roadhawks recently. In the end, I think 'factual' or informative posts, or even a stated opinion that isn't particularly shocking, these all are absorbed by a large number of listmembers without necessarily provoking much (or any) response at all. So you're generally being heard I think, and perhaps we even agree. Oh, and notice that *these* postings *are* generating responses...whatever it takes I guess. Anyway, to continue promoting this lost cause (?) of an event, here is the latest word about QS2K. If you come, I promise you won't have to do any sight-seeing (or smelling) around town!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Quarkstock 2000, the first in an annual series of spacerock and avant-prog, is taking place Memorial Day weekend 2000(5/27-28) at Ruby Tuesday's (not the restaurant chain!) in Columbus OH. Scheduled to appear are, Alien Planetscapes, Architectual Metaphor, Born to Go, Dark Aether Project, Escapade, French TV, Tombstone Valentine and festival organizers, Quarkspace. The SolarFire Lightshow will be providing the visuals for the whole weekend. Cost for the whole festival is only $20, for more info go to http://quarkspace.com. Keith H. (FAA) From chip at PCC.COM Fri Nov 12 11:26:29 1999 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:26:29 -0500 Subject: BOC Live in Winooski, VT (11/11/99) In-Reply-To: <382C1401.4A179A1F@mitre.org> from "John A. Swartz" at Nov 12, 99 08:20:03 am Message-ID: BOC hit the stage last night at the club that's about 250 yards from where I'm sitting. As a result, I feel a bit obliged to post about it :-) Similar set list from what John reported, except Last Days, we got Astronomy. The order was definitely different. From memory, after a conversation among the band members, Summer of Love came after Harvest Moon, etc. Little things. Buck's Astronomy was rippin', but the sound was (uncharacteristically) bad at Higher Ground, so I couldn't hear a damn thing. The drums and bass were turned up far too much in the mix and Alan kept turning his own guitar up so it was even louder than Buck's! [Of course, I didn't realize that Alan was playing so many solos...] While the two new guys are extremely skilled musicians, they really change both the sound and and result of the band, imo. I don't want to insult two people who I am sure are perfectly nice - and doing what I'd do if I could! - but they ain't the Bouchard brothers, that's for sure. Clearly, meanwhile, Eric's much more suited for his keyboard role. Alan looks like a ghoul! I'm glad I saw them one more time (I don't imagine them returning to Vermont) - what they really need is a BOC Unplugged! -- Chip Hart * chip @ pcc.com Physician's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 1 Main Street * Work:800-722-7708 Winooski, VT 05404 * Fax: 802-846-8178 From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Nov 12 11:48:38 1999 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:48:38 -0500 Subject: OFF: Response (and lack thereof) In-Reply-To: <199911121534.KAA25833@mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu>; from henderson.120@OSU.EDU on Fri, Nov 12, 1999 at 10:17:32AM -0500 Message-ID: On Fri, Nov 12, 1999 at 10:17:32AM -0500, Keith Henderson wrote: > In the end, I think 'factual' or > informative posts, or even a stated opinion that isn't particularly > shocking, these all are absorbed by a large number of listmembers without > necessarily provoking much (or any) response at all. So you're generally > being heard I think, and perhaps we even agree. Indeed, netiquette (that quaint old concept) basically requires the effect you've noticed. "Avoid quoting an entire message just to say `me too'". > I think the posts that > get the most response are those that have shock-horror value and especially > ones that you unintentionally (or even intentionally!) include some > historical ignorance/blatant error. Interesting that netiquette (as opposed to vanilla etiquette) has more of a problem with "right on!" than with "you're full of shit!" -- as long as the latter opinion is defended, of course. So I guess, by my own logic, if nobody comments on this posting, I'll take that as a compliment :-) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / I'm going to change it, but it's going to take some time. - Linus Torvalds, on Windows's market leadership From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Nov 12 12:57:39 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:57:39 +0000 Subject: Space is Deep In-Reply-To: <199910291519.QAA21998@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Oct 1999, M Holmes wrote: > I lost the message I was replying to. Sorry. > > Anyway, our Codex entry is: > > Space Is Deep > 1 Doremi Fasol Latido > 1 Roadhawks > 1 The Best of Hawkwind [EMI Metal Classics cassette] > 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] > 1 Epoch Eclipse 30 Year Anthology > L 2 Space Ritual Alive > L 2 Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73 > L 2 British Tribal Music > L 2 Stasis > L 2 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II CD > L 2 Acid Daze Vol. III > L 2 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. III > L 2 The Hawkwind Anthology 1967-1982 [Castle 2CD] > L 2 The Hawkwind Collection > L 2 The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind > L 2 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] > L 2 Best of Hawkwind > L 2 Space Is Deep > L 2 Live & Rare (Onward Flies The Bird) > L 2 Master of the Universe [Pulse CD] > L 2 Silver Machine CD [Hallmark compilation] > 3 Strange Trips And Pipe Dreams {Space} > > > The message commented that Rob Godwin had another live entry in his > Codex, possibly for Space Ritual II. > > Our Codex has "Space" on SRII as really being "Electronic Number One". > If we've got it wrong then certainly we should change the Codex entries > but I'm not convinced that in this case, we are. From what I remember of SRII then `Space' is a composite of `Space is Deep' and `Electronic No. 1' - the actual tracks are however the same. However, I have the Castle Best Of and the `Space Is Deep' on there is different; only, however, in mix. The sax is much higher up, the guitar slightly lower, the drums also. I only have the remaster of SR so can't compare it with the unfiltered original, but I'd say that the Codex might benefit from a 1(a) to represent this different mix. I'm not sure which of the above have 1 and which the proposed 1(a) but I could give it a fair guess. Yours, Jon From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Nov 12 15:13:33 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 15:13:33 EST Subject: OFF??: Response Message-ID: Rob, First of all--everything that everyone else already said--ditto here. Wise words. Second--I thought the public response you _did_ get was better than some that I've seen. Is it possible you missed some posts?? Third--A metal perspective is very interesting to me; I've met few metal/HW fans, and though metal isn't my thing these days, I still have my collection intact (incl. Wargasm) and would be very interesting in discussing w/you privately any possible dynamics involved in liking both metal and HW/BOC. Fourth--I've actually found this whole thread a revelation thus far. Those that posted to you before I did have admitted of also feeling ignored; a feeling that (in my warped, self-centered mind) I thought was exclusively my own. I joined the list 5 years ago as an avid BOC fan, and subsequently discovered HW. Maybe it was just good timing, but there did seem to be generally more response to posts back then, and especially to newbees concerning more general topics. But over the last couple of years there seems to have becomes a sort of jadedness with the old-timers. So I've begun to "pick my spots" as well. Nowadays, it's usually recent stuff discussed; recent releases and concerts, whereas before someone could bust out Doremi and simply begin discussing its merits and a bunch of people would dive in (that's the sort of discussion I miss). Now does not seem to be the Time for the Newcomer. Don't know why... Also, I think a recurrent situation is this: when a newbee posts a note that hundreds of old-timers could answer, each old-timer thinks "well, I could answer that, but probably _some_one else will, so I'll just watch..." Well, everyone takes this approach and nothing gets done. A few days pass...and all are surprised to see no response...and by then the lapse of time causes apathy. So, in other words, simple LAZINESS is often the key factor, and I am as guilty as anyone (not that I'm as expert as a lot of the folks here re: the 2 groups, but I can tell someone when Doremi was released, whatever...). But, there could be some validity to the possibility that maybe people don't respond to those posts because they're afraid everyone will post the same thing, and flood the list. (Though by now it's apparent that this usually won't happen). Maybe this will be a wake-up call for BOC-L, Rob, and years from now you'll be known as a BOC-L-Hero; you came in, kicked ass, stirred things up, and began a renaissance in posting. :) Chuck From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri Nov 12 16:12:56 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 21:12:56 +0000 Subject: OFF??: Response In-Reply-To: <0.c9587c12.255dceed@aol.com> Message-ID: At 15:13 12/11/99 EST, Chuck wrote wrote: >Rob, > >First of all--everything that everyone else already said--ditto here. Wise >words. >-- big snip --< >Maybe it was just good timing, but there did seem to be >generally more response to posts back then, and especially to newbees >concerning more general topics. I think I was very lucky, I seemed to get involved in the proverbial "heated debate" quite quickly, probably just a question of timing! >But over the last couple of years there seems >to have becomes a sort of jadedness with the old-timers. >--snip--< >Also, I think a recurrent situation is this: when a newbee posts a note that >hundreds of old-timers could answer, each old-timer thinks "well, I could >answer that, but probably _some_one else will, so I'll just watch..." Well, >everyone takes this approach and nothing gets done. A few days pass...and all >are surprised to see no response...and by then the lapse of time causes >apathy. ditto here, I often think that by the time I respond I'll have been beaten to the punch _ after all, that man Gilham's done it to me so often... (just kiddin' mate!) >Maybe this will be a wake-up call for BOC-L, Rob, and years from now you'll >be known as a BOC-L-Hero; you came in, kicked ass, stirred things up, and >began a renaissance in posting. :) > OK, I promise to be more diligent, but I think I need to "can" my history of getting involved here...I've written it too many times. Maybe I should set up a little website to post biographies of those who care to go public..sort of a BOC-L member faq! Any takers? Cheers, ChrisW From Alogilvy at AOL.COM Fri Nov 12 17:10:29 1999 From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Al Ogilvy) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:10:29 EST Subject: HW:Fairfield halls gig Message-ID: Anyone from the list going ?..I'm hoping to get there, so it'd be nice to put some faces to names Anyone on the list live in the Surrey area of the UK? Maybe we could meet up occassionaly for beers and swopping tales of Free Festival mayhem etc. From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Nov 12 17:42:52 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:42:52 EST Subject: Space is Deep Message-ID: In a message dated 11/12/99 12:57:58 PM, jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK writes: << > Our Codex has "Space" on SRII as really being "Electronic Number One". > If we've got it wrong then certainly we should change the Codex entries > but I'm not convinced that in this case, we are. >> ====== both these titles are throwaways, standing for what was essentially between-song filler from del and dikmik. put a title on 'em and mebbe royalties show up. the electronic noises prior to 'orgone accumulator' the same on sr1 and sr2, just as the versions of 'orgone accumulator' arent the same. "<>" From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Nov 12 19:51:15 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:51:15 -0800 Subject: HW: The Lemmy Singles (was: is this thing on? or does space really not care?) Message-ID: "Robert C. Mayo" wrote: >moving on... i,ve noticed that the 'lemmy-era' singles, when listened to >together as on a comp tape (thanks lb) almost sound like they came from a >seperate band, a band that fits in really well between motorhead's 'on >parole' & chiswick 'debut' and the pink fairies. i realize that on a 45 >there's no room to jam, and perhaps (?) airplay was the goal....any thoughts? >educate me I'll chime in here belatedly (work's been pretty hellish the last couple of weeks - that's why *I* haven't been responding to any posts for a while) by mentioning that I love the tape (C90) I made with all the Lemmy/UA-era singles A&B sides ("Silver Machine" through "Kings of Speed") on one side of the cassette, and all the Charisma-era singles ("Kerb Crawler" through "25 Years", plus "Who's Gonna Win The War" and "Valium Ten" from the Hawklords' singles on Flicknife) on the other tape side. I'd say that for the most part, your description matches both sides of that tape very well (although I'd say you're describing more of the "Do It"/"City Kids" side of the Pink Fairies than the "Uncle Harry's Last Freakout"/"When's The Fun Begin" side of that band). And now that you mention it, I think that in some ways, the two sides of the tape sound less different from one another (Lemmy-era vs. Calvert-era singles) than the Lemmy side does compared to Doremi/Warrior or the Calvert side compared to Astounding Sounds/25 Years On. That tape does a really good job of showing just how much a proto-punk band Hawkwind were, when you hear all of their simple-songs-without-extended-jams songs bunched together. I've made variations of that tape for friends who were mostly into punk rock and despised "hippie shit". Even those who already admitted to liking a couple Hawkwind songs were surprised at how much they enjoyed the whole tape. I have no idea how much of the rationale behind keeping the singles short was due to airplay/commercial hopes and how much was due to the physical constraints of the format (you CAN fit about 5 minutes on one side of a 45rpm 7", and at least 8 minutes on a 33rpm 7" side) or just an interest in crafting a good single. Certainly "Silver Machine" is an excellent example of how a rough jam could be crafted into a top-notch single (if you've heard the Glastonbury Fayre version, then "you gotta know what I mean"). There must have been a reason, for instance, why the middle verse of "Back on the Streets" was not used on the single. I also made another C90 with the Huw-era singles on one side ("Shot Down In The Night" through "Needle Gun") and selections from the Davey-era CD singles on the other ("Right To Decide" through "Love In Space"). One interesting thing about that tape is the large number of 'remakes' on it (side A has "Urban Guerilla" live, "Silver Machine" & "Psychedelic Warlords"; side B has "Quark, Strangeness & Charm" & "Lord of Light" live, as well as "Death Trap") - and the tape doesn't even include the remixes of "Spirit of the Age" and "Uncle Sam's On Mars" that were on those singles. Email me if you want complete track lists for the two C90s (or if I should just post 'em). They both make for *great* listening IMO (and as I said above, a good intro to Hawkwind, too)! -Doug ceres at sirius.com ObFaveNewToy: WIARD modular synthesizer (designed by Grant Richter of F/i and finally available over two years after the first prototype was demoed at SD97!); with it, I can sound more like Del Dettmar than I ever have with any other synth, since I don't own an actual VCS3 Synthi. I've gotten so close to the sound of "Electronic No.1" aka "Space" (yes, I'm quite certain that Larry is correct and these are recordings of the same electronics jam from the two different Space Ritual shows that were recorded) that it's scary ... From bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET Fri Nov 12 21:56:51 1999 From: bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET (Brian Halligan) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 21:56:51 -0500 Subject: BOC: Sitcom mention Message-ID: >From the BOC fanclub site: >Blue ?yster Cult was mentioned on the October 4, 1999 episode of >Fox Network's ?That ?70?s Show,? and a few episodes later the show >was intro?ed by ?(Don?t Fear) The Reaper.? You will also find B?C?s >?Cities On Flame With Rock and Roll? featured on the newly released >?That ?70?s Show? Soundtrack CD. I'm impressed that a soundtrack to a sitcom (of all things) would feature CoF as the representative BOC track. If someone asked me what BOC track would make it onto the CD, I would have bet big money on Reaper. I like the fact that whoever put this comp together decided to buck (sic) the obvious track choice. It definately makes me curious as to what the other tracks are. Although the show couldn't totally stay away from Reaper, could they? ;-) Not to start another of those "which track would you like" threads...ah, why not. Ahem...Which BOC tune would you most like to see on a soundtrack to a mainstream TV show? And which show would it match with? My choice: "The Vigil" for an X-Files soundtrack (is there already one of these?) The contrast of the heavy and melodic sections of Vigil would work well with the dynamics of X-Files. Not to mention the lyrics. Secondary choice: "Black Blade" for Xena, Warrior Princess ;-) I admit, I've seen the show a couple of times (exactly two). Now, a Moorcock storyline might make for some Xena episodes I wouldn't want to miss! This is hard enough with BOC. I can't imagine trying this with HW.... Brian From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Nov 13 08:37:05 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 13:37:05 -0000 Subject: Live 82 Message-ID: What's that bloody honking noise on my CD? Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sprawl at STARPOWER.NET Sat Nov 13 08:36:33 1999 From: sprawl at STARPOWER.NET (Sprawl) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 08:36:33 -0500 Subject: HAWKWIND / BOC what's the point? space does not care Message-ID: Robert, Don't be hasty.. I've been a member of this list since the beginning of 95. There are some great people here. I've met more than a few of them in person, and talked, traded etc with alot of them. Most of my posts don't get responses. Either because what I posted was not something that interested anyone, or there was something more noteworthy going on, or who knows. It's not a big deal. Most of what gets posted here is very old news. Unless it covers tours (Mostly UK and Europe, so they don't concern me much,) or new releases, which are interesting, but only go so far. So I delete 85% of what gets posted without even opening it. I just don't have time to follow all the threads, and I would bet that is the case with most here. Have you tried e-mailing any members directly? I for one, would never ignore a personal e-mail. And I am more than happy to discuss anything with anyone. But for the most part, I don't have a clue what I'm talking about, so I mostly try to keep my keyboard quiet. There are no elitists here. What? An elite fan? That's a funny thought. I mean, really. =) Some of us have become jaded by hearing the same news/opinions/questions over and again, and for that- I apologize. Not that I am setting a very good example, but try to make your subject lines meaningful and direct. And the fewer words you use to get an idea across, the more likely you are to be read. And know that some subjects are going to be by-passed, simply because people don't know anything about it, or are waiting to see what else may be said. Who wants to read 50 "I don't know" messages? Or- there are certain people who are very good at providing answers to certain types of questions. Alot of people tend to hang back and leave those questions (or subjects) to those people. What happens when those people aren't around to answer? Give it another shot, man. Rj >well: >i've been signed on for a month now, and i'm left wondering if my magic >machine is working correctly. i've been virtually ignored (except by a close >personal friend, a friend who forwarded me your list for months and helped me >sign up); i've posted a few things that i feel deserve some response, or in >some cases directly requested responses, and got zip. my latest >(Hawkwind-related) query was posted 2X before someone responded. probably out >of pity. was i filtered out of most of the Hawkwinder's lists because most of >the replies to my first few postings were BOC-related? if so, then what the >hell am i doing here? >you represent youselves as a group who are here to exchange ideas, opinions, >and information. what it looks like to me is a clique of exclusionary >elitists exchanging reminiscences and nit-picking over microscopic detail, to >the exclusion of outsiders who are wanting in. you'll only talk to others who >know exactly what you're talking about. who can learn from that? neither you >nor me. >i'm a fan! i wanted to learn from you all! what i've learned is that i'm not s >avvy enough for your club. >what you've lost here is someone who's gotten into hawkwind in the last 5 yrs >(through a good friend and member of the list, and through Motorhead fandom): >a newcomer's perspective, some fresh, objective opinions; a metal fan's POV, >a huge Lemmy supporter with an interest in the band's history, a collector >looking to fill in some holes in a fast-growing collection--but here is not >the place for the eager novice. here is the place to exchange war/gig >stories, drop names, and play hipper-than-thou. >so i've had my say, at least to those who haven't filtered me. >life goes on. >rmayo From sprawl at STARPOWER.NET Sat Nov 13 08:40:49 1999 From: sprawl at STARPOWER.NET (Sprawl) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 08:40:49 -0500 Subject: BOC: Sitcom mention Message-ID: BOC was also one of the (wrong) choices in a multiple choice question on the "Who wants to be a millionaire" gameshow. Question: :What band did Paul McCartney go on to form after leaving the Beatles? A. BTO B. ELO C. Wings or D. Blue Oyster Cult. Rj -----Original Message----- From: Brian Halligan To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Friday, November 12, 1999 10:04 PM Subject: BOC: Sitcom mention >From the BOC fanclub site: >Blue ?yster Cult was mentioned on the October 4, 1999 episode of >Fox Network's ?That ?70?s Show,? and a few episodes later the show >was intro?ed by ?(Don?t Fear) The Reaper.? You will also find B?C?s >?Cities On Flame With Rock and Roll? featured on the newly released >?That ?70?s Show? Soundtrack CD. I'm impressed that a soundtrack to a sitcom (of all things) would feature CoF as the representative BOC track. If someone asked me what BOC track would make it onto the CD, I would have bet big money on Reaper. I like the fact that whoever put this comp together decided to buck (sic) the obvious track choice. It definately makes me curious as to what the other tracks are. Although the show couldn't totally stay away from Reaper, could they? ;-) Not to start another of those "which track would you like" threads...ah, why not. Ahem...Which BOC tune would you most like to see on a soundtrack to a mainstream TV show? And which show would it match with? My choice: "The Vigil" for an X-Files soundtrack (is there already one of these?) The contrast of the heavy and melodic sections of Vigil would work well with the dynamics of X-Files. Not to mention the lyrics. Secondary choice: "Black Blade" for Xena, Warrior Princess ;-) I admit, I've seen the show a couple of times (exactly two). Now, a Moorcock storyline might make for some Xena episodes I wouldn't want to miss! This is hard enough with BOC. I can't imagine trying this with HW.... Brian From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Nov 13 09:02:20 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 09:02:20 EST Subject: HAWKWIND / BOC what's the point? space does not care Message-ID: In a message dated 11/13/99 8:40:24 AM, sprawl at STARPOWER.NET writes: << So I delete 85% of what gets posted without even opening it. I just don't have time to follow all the threads, and I would bet that is the case with most here. >> ============= oh i see, now isnt that encouraging..... sigh..... "<>" From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Sat Nov 13 13:22:40 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 13:22:40 -0500 Subject: HAWKWIND / BOC what's the point? yadda yadda Message-ID: A while back, the first message in this "thread" (of rusty barbed wire) advocated for "some fresh, objective opinions." Yeah. Sure, and Uncle Sam's on Mars with the Mistress of the Salmon Salt doin' it to your daughter in an urban concrete jungle. Just like that last sentence, this "dialogue" is getting rediculous. Stop before tempers flare needlessly. It's only rock and roll, Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I'm in a FOUL mood today. Stay outa my way or I'll CRITIQUE YOUR ASS to hell. Just ME, just YOU...a decent song. You wanna see THEM, see THEM. I don't give a ****." - Richard Meltzer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Sat Nov 13 17:47:53 1999 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (Sen. Volstead) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 16:47:53 -0600 Subject: Sitcom mention Message-ID: > > > Not to start another of those "which track would you like" threads...ah, > why not. Ahem...Which BOC tune would you most like to see on a soundtrack > to a mainstream TV show? And which show would it match with? > > My choice: "The Vigil" for an X-Files soundtrack (is there already one of > these?) > The contrast of the heavy and melodic sections of Vigil would work well > with the dynamics of X-Files. Not to mention the lyrics. > > Secondary choice: "Black Blade" for Xena, Warrior Princess ;-) > I admit, I've seen the show a couple of times (exactly two). Now, a > Moorcock storyline might make for some Xena episodes I wouldn't want to > miss! > > This is hard enough with BOC. I can't imagine trying this with HW.... > Brian wasn't Silvermachine played in the background during a Xena commercial on BBC? or some european cable channel maybe? From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Nov 13 18:09:14 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 23:09:14 +0000 Subject: OFF??: Response In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19991112211256.007aea30@clara.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, Chris Warburton wrote: > Maybe I should set up a little website to post biographies of those who > care to go public..sort of a BOC-L member faq! Any takers? Vain though it may be, I kind of like that idea. BOC-L's web presence seems to have gone down of late. Oh, meanwhile, a big box of tapes arrived chez moi yesterday from Rus Hall, so this portion of the tape trade should unclog as soon as I can stop listening to `Guidance is Internal' by Ship of Fools off Tim's tape... Although, that said... ObCassette: The Not Very Good Interval Band - _It's Dingus Time!_ Yours, Jon From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Nov 13 18:12:39 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 23:12:39 +0000 Subject: Space is Deep In-Reply-To: <0.1fc8acb7.255df1ec@aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Nov 1999 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > the electronic noises prior to 'orgone accumulator' the same on sr1 > and sr2, just as the versions of 'orgone accumulator' arent the same. Is that straight, comrade Boyd? I thought, and I may be wrong, that SRI and SRII were culled from the same recording, and SRII differed only in being uncut and starting with `Space', whatever it is. Is the `Orgone Accumulator' just the SRI version without cuts or is it actually a different recording? Here we go again... at least this time Simon King's using the same kit on both discs... :-) Yours, Jon From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Nov 13 18:28:52 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 23:28:52 +0000 Subject: HW:Fairfield halls gig In-Reply-To: <0.c899a6b1.255dea55@aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, Al Ogilvy wrote: > Anyone from the list going ?..I'm hoping to get there, so it'd be nice to put > some faces to names Anyone on the list live in the Surrey area of the UK? > Maybe we could meet up occassionaly for beers and swopping tales of Free > Festival mayhem etc. If I have my count accurate, there's me (+ girlfriend), Andy Gilham, Rich Lockwood, Mike Holmes, Mike Wright and possibly Jill Strobridge? And we're meeting in the George, a Wetherspoons just up the road/round the corner/close to the venue. Which is seated, which Andy doesn't like (not that I do, but he seems to have strong feelings on the matter :-) So I need to bring twenty quid and enough for a pint and a half of ale just to clear my concert debts :-( Yours, Jon From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Nov 14 00:58:12 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 00:58:12 EST Subject: Space is Deep Message-ID: In a message dated 11/13/99 6:12:59 PM, jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK writes: << Is the `Orgone Accumulator' just the SRI version without cuts or is it actually a different recording? >> ================ it's a different recording, squire. ^_~. there are minor 'cuts' on the SR1 "accumulator"; a few bars early on, and some of lemmy's bassistics near the end. 'twas also re-sung in the studio by calvert. the SRs come from two shows. SR2 has some versions totally different from SR1, such as the above (and "space is deep"), but also "brainstorm", the uncut version of what appeared on SR1. yeah, i was annoyed w/that ollis/king/drum kit thing....sigh... "<>" From iscladoc at IDIR.NET Sun Nov 14 02:36:01 1999 From: iscladoc at IDIR.NET (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 01:36:01 -0600 Subject: Other: Moorcock: The Bellyflops! (fwd) Message-ID: FYI. Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Visit the Dreaming City iscladoc at idir.net http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr If you want to view paradise / simply look around and view it Anything you want to, do it / Want to change the world there's nothing to it . . . . -- "Pure Imagination" from _Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory_ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:44:55 GMT From: Jhary-a-Conel AKA Dusty Diablo To: nomads at sundancer.oche.de, eternal-l at lists.io.com, general at taclug.org, board at taclug.org Subject: The Bellyflops! Eternal Tanelorn - http://www.multiverse.org/tanelorn/ Everyone, >>From the reaches of obscurity, one of MM's musical projects: http://www.multiverse.org/misc/bellyflops.html There is text below the picture. Jhary-a-Conel PS Someone please pass this on to the BOC mailing list. Thanks. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Sun Nov 14 04:32:37 1999 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 09:32:37 -0000 Subject: HW:Fairfield halls gig Message-ID: Subject: Re: HW:Fairfield halls gig > If I have my count accurate, there's me (+ girlfriend), Andy > Gilham, Rich Lockwood, Mike Holmes, Mike Wright and possibly Jill > Strobridge? And we're meeting in the George, a Wetherspoons just up the > road/round the corner/close to the venue. Which is seated, which Andy > doesn't like (not that I do, but he seems to have strong feelings on the > matter :-) > So I need to bring twenty quid and enough for a pint and a half of > ale just to clear my concert debts :-( Yours, Keep your eyes open for a long haired guy in an Alice Cooper shirt with his short American wife. I`m hoping to get there too and don`t know any of you by site. I figure it`s about time I got out and saw the boys again having missed everything since the Alien tour! I just hoping that there`s still tickets left as I won`t get there till nearly 8pm (we work 7 days a week!). Anybody know what Cd`s and stuff are available on the mercendising stall this time out and how much money I`ll need? Si From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sun Nov 14 05:06:49 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 11:06:49 +0100 Subject: Space is Deep In-Reply-To: <0.d64b0a7b.255fa974@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi there At 00:58 14.11.99 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 11/13/99 6:12:59 PM, jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK >writes: > ><< Is the >`Orgone Accumulator' just the SRI version without cuts or is it actually a >different recording? >> >================ >it's a different recording, squire. ^_~. >there are minor 'cuts' on the SR1 "accumulator"; a few bars early on, and >some of lemmy's bassistics near the end. 'twas also re-sung in the studio by >calvert. > >the SRs come from two shows. SR2 has some versions totally different from >SR1, such as the above (and "space is deep"), but also "brainstorm", the >uncut version of what appeared on SR1. > >yeah, i was annoyed w/that ollis/king/drum kit thing....sigh... The SPACE RITUAL was recorded at 2 different venues: - Liverpool, 22.12.72 - London, 30.12.72 The songs from the classic SPACE RITUAL LP (SRI) are from both gigs The songs from the SPACE RITUAL II LP (SRII) are only from London (30.12.72) Orgone Accumulator, Time We Left and Brainstorm on the SRI are from Liverpool Bernhard From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Sun Nov 14 05:56:55 1999 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 10:56:55 -0000 Subject: HW:Fairfield halls gig Message-ID: What time in the George? I was told doors open at the Fathead Halls at 7 and the gig starts at 7.30 or 8 (I forget which) - if you see someone short walking into the George squinting round 'cause I'm too vain to wear my glasses, it's probnably me (Rich might remember what I look like too). --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Jarrett To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Saturday, November 13, 1999 11:28 PM Subject: Re: HW:Fairfield halls gig > On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, Al Ogilvy wrote: > > > Anyone from the list going ?..I'm hoping to get there, so it'd be nice to put > > some faces to names Anyone on the list live in the Surrey area of the UK? > > Maybe we could meet up occassionaly for beers and swopping tales of Free > > Festival mayhem etc. > > If I have my count accurate, there's me (+ girlfriend), Andy > Gilham, Rich Lockwood, Mike Holmes, Mike Wright and possibly Jill > Strobridge? And we're meeting in the George, a Wetherspoons just up the > road/round the corner/close to the venue. Which is seated, which Andy > doesn't like (not that I do, but he seems to have strong feelings on the > matter :-) > > So I need to bring twenty quid and enough for a pint and a half of > ale just to clear my concert debts :-( Yours, > Jon From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Nov 14 07:37:06 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 07:37:06 EST Subject: Space is Deep Message-ID: In a message dated 11/14/99 5:08:19 AM, bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE writes: << >the SRs come from two shows. SR2 has some versions totally different from >SR1, such as the above (and "space is deep"), but also "brainstorm", the >uncut version of what appeared >> ============= darn. " space is deep" isnt even on my allegedly complete copy of SR2, tho it seems like more than one party has said as much. is there an incarnation of SR2 which includes the "space is deep", as previously discussed? "<>" From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 14 07:49:07 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:49:07 -0000 Subject: Ghost Dance Message-ID: Is Ghost Dance missing from Live 82? I'm sure they did it at Glasgow on this tour. Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 14 07:49:11 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:49:11 -0000 Subject: OFF John Paul Jones Message-ID: Anyone going to any of his gigs? Anyone going to the Glasgow gig? Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 14 14:00:02 1999 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (IAN ABRAHAMS) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:00:02 -0000 Subject: HW: St Austell Coliseum Gig Message-ID: First time I had seen HW in about six years was on Friday and it was great! Relieved to see a pretty reasonable turnout in what is a fair sized venue. Nik was on good form - emerging through the audience playing his sax during Motorway City. Set seemed very fresh after the length of my absence from HW gigs, except that Assassins of Allah & Ejection are getting pretty tired. The most interesting thing was Ron's performance, which was excellent for the first half but just became so over the top towards the end as to be irritating. So, as a comparison with the previous gigs I'd seen: not as good as Black Sword or the Space Bandits album tour but the best I'd seen bar these. Thanks to Neil (didn't get his surname) from the BOC-L who came up for a chat following my pre-Gig posting. 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But the other SiD on the Anthology/Acid Daze/Etc. collections--I assumed that was the other SiD (the one from 12/22, or 12/30, if the orig. is 12/22). Chuck From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Sun Nov 14 19:09:38 1999 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 00:09:38 -0000 Subject: HW Fathead Halls, Croydon - quick review Message-ID: Hmm - I've seen better. It seemed very disjointed - nowhere near as flowing as most HW gigs I've seen. Nik wore an awesome spiky latex alien costume. The dancers were uninspired (it seemed). The balance was truly appalling: the vocals levels were all over the place - sometimes too loud, other times much too quiet; Jerry's guitar was far too quiet (pity - his guitar playing on Hippy seemed great, but could hardly hear him on anything else); Simon House's violin was virtually inaudible; Ian's bass was very loud (pity, 'cause he's a crap bassist); Nik's sax was audible (great pity - his noodling may have sounded alright 20-25 years ago, but it just doesn't fit in any more - his flute playing was great though...when you could hear it); I think I heard the drums or bass clipping a couple of times. Set list (as far as I can remember): Aerospaceage Inferno Motorway City Assault & Battery Utopia Assassins of Allah Hippy Blue Skin Brainstorm Encore: Ejection Master of the Universe Nik did say about a gig at Brixton Academy next march with Lemmy, Del, Dik...fingers crossed? --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Sun Nov 14 19:10:32 1999 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 00:10:32 -0000 Subject: HW Fathead Halls, Croydon - quick review Message-ID: Hmm - I've seen better. It seemed very disjointed - nowhere near as flowing as most HW gigs I've seen. Nik wore an awesome spiky latex alien costume. The dancers were uninspired (it seemed). The balance was truly appalling: the vocals levels were all over the place - sometimes too loud, other times much too quiet; Jerry's guitar was far too quiet (pity - his guitar playing on Hippy seemed great, but could hardly hear him on anything else); Simon House's violin was virtually inaudible; Ian's bass was very loud (pity, 'cause he's a crap bassist); Nik's sax was audible (great pity - his noodling may have sounded alright 20-25 years ago, but it just doesn't fit in any more - his flute playing was great though...when you could hear it); I think I heard the drums or bass clipping a couple of times. Set list (as far as I can remember): Aerospaceage Inferno Motorway City Assault & Battery Utopia Assassins of Allah Green Skinned Demon Hippy Blue Skin Brainstorm Encore: Ejection Master of the Universe Nik did say about a gig at Brixton Academy next march with Lemmy, Del, Dik...fingers crossed? --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Sun Nov 14 19:51:04 1999 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 00:51:04 -0000 Subject: HW Fathead Halls, Croydon - quick review Message-ID: Subject: HW Fathead Halls, Croydon - quick review > Hmm - I've seen better. That`s an understatement. You`re being kind. > It seemed very disjointed - nowhere near as flowing as most HW gigs I've > seen. Let`s be honest. It didn`t flow at all. They just kept stopping. Then dave consulted the set list, then they started again. >Nik wore an awesome spiky latex alien costume. The high point! >The dancers were uninspired (it seemed). Totally. Personally I`ve never really 'got' the dancers but tonight they were embaressing. > The balance was truly appalling: the vocals levels were all over the place - > sometimes too loud, other times much too quiet; Jerry's guitar was far too > quiet (pity - his guitar playing on Hippy seemed great, but could hardly > hear him on anything else); Simon House's violin was virtually inaudible; > Ian's bass was very loud (pity, 'cause he's a crap bassist); Nik's sax was > audible (great pity - his noodling may have sounded alright 20-25 years ago, > but it just doesn't fit in any more - his flute playing was great > though...when you could hear it); I think I heard the drums or bass clipping > a couple of times. Agree. From where I was (mid stalls to the left) you couldn`t hear Jerry at all. Nick came through a lot and was pretty good at times. Simon was barely audable. Ron seemed to have many problems with both vocals and Bass. I think he works better when he doesn`t have to play, just sing although I wasn`t at all impressed with his vocals this time. Much of it was the mix. The drums sounded like cake tins. Dreadfull. > Set list (as far as I can remember): > Aerospaceage Inferno > Motorway City > Assault & Battery > Utopia > Assassins of Allah > Hippy > Blue Skin > Brainstorm > > Encore: > Ejection > Master of the Universe Wasn`t a bit of 'Song of the Gremlins' or somesuch destroyed after Ejection? There were a couple of Paranoia outro`s in there too I think. Difficult to tell at times. > Nik did say about a gig at Brixton Academy next march with Lemmy, Del, > Dik...fingers crossed? Only with a decent sound system. Overall, I was very disappointed. The worst I`ve ever seen them soundwise (and I`ve seen a few over the years) and a very disorganised show. Even they didn`t look like they were particulaly enjoying themselves from where I was. Si From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Nov 15 00:00:45 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 00:00:45 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: OFF??: Response In-Reply-To: <0.c9587c12.255dceed@aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, Chuck Rosenberg wrote: => Second--I thought the public response you _did_ get was better than some that => I've seen. Is it possible you missed some posts?? That's what I thought, too. When Rob re-posted his original query, I thought, "hey, didn't this get a boatload of answers already?" Do you have your subscription filters set to something weird somehow, Rob? We're not really as unfriendly as we seem. Honest. ;-) Cheers, Paul. NP: Mekong Delta, _The Music of Erich Zann_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Mon Nov 15 01:01:51 1999 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 01:01:51 EST Subject: OFF: Re: OFF??: Response Message-ID: as far as i know, i don't have any filters set; the extent of my efforts thus far in joining were typing the word "subscribe"! and even if i could filter, i wouldn't. as for the "boatload of answers", here at rmayo HQ i got exactly ONE from personal friend Larry B, and ONE from the second posting, again from Larry. if filtering is going on, it's without my knowledge. if this is some sort of technical FU, i apologize, but judging from some of your responses to my outro, alot of you have felt the same. as you can see, i haven't un-subscribed, and hopefully my complaints didn't come off as "i'll take my ball and go home" whining. again, judging from the number of responses i got that agreed with my perception of the list, perhaps i've opened a few eyes and urged some to take an objective look at the politics within. i appreciate those who took the time to counsel me. i remain, rmayo From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Mon Nov 15 01:18:20 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 15:18:20 +0900 Subject: Other: Moorcock: The Bellyflops! (fwd) Message-ID: Interesting site, I'd not seen this one before. Is it just me or are all the links in the music section 404's? Shame if they are, because the Bellyflops was certainly new to me! Anyone got this? Dave Allan T Grohe Jr wrote: > FYI. > > Allan. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Visit the Dreaming City > iscladoc at idir.net http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr > > If you want to view paradise / simply look around and view it > Anything you want to, do it / Want to change the world > there's nothing to it . . . . > > -- "Pure Imagination" from > _Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory_ > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:44:55 GMT > From: Jhary-a-Conel AKA Dusty Diablo > To: nomads at sundancer.oche.de, eternal-l at lists.io.com, general at taclug.org, > board at taclug.org > Subject: The Bellyflops! > > Eternal Tanelorn - http://www.multiverse.org/tanelorn/ > > Everyone, > > >From the reaches of obscurity, one of MM's musical projects: > > http://www.multiverse.org/misc/bellyflops.html > > There is text below the picture. > > Jhary-a-Conel > > PS Someone please pass this on to the BOC mailing list. Thanks. > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jgoran at TELEBOT.COM Mon Nov 15 04:29:10 1999 From: jgoran at TELEBOT.COM (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 10:29:10 +0100 Subject: Fwd: Post this for me, if you would/3 of 3 re; 11/5/99 In-Reply-To: <0.bda323f.255c31c8@aol.com> Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote in <0.bda323f.255c31c8 at aol.com>: > >In a message dated 11/8/99 5:05:48 PM, tickfan_5 at hotmail.com writes: > ><< I can see where JB is comming from but I have learned to live with them Larry, you should definitely change your mail program, or find newer version of AOL mailer. -- Goran From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Sun Nov 14 15:51:43 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 20:51:43 +0000 Subject: OFF??: Response Message-ID: > So I've begun to > "pick my spots" as well. Nowadays, it's usually recent stuff discussed; > recent releases and concerts, whereas before someone could bust out Doremi > and simply begin discussing its merits and a bunch of people would dive in I have to admit, whenever someone says, "Hey everybody, what's your favorite BOC guitar riff and why?", I tend to ignore it. Not that I haven't done stuff like that myself over the past couple years, but I guess I'm getting tired of the same old stuff. It's no reflection on any member of this list. I just wish BOC were more active, and it's frustrating that we have so little to talk about these days. I think maybe we'll get re-energized when someone attends a concert where they play a tune from this new album they're supposedly working on. As for the HW stuff, I'm not a fan and I don't have a clue. All I can tell you is that Lemmy used to be in the band. But I have a feeling no one would respond if I posted that little bit of info. -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Sun Nov 14 15:51:43 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 20:51:43 +0000 Subject: BOC: Live at the Middle East - 11/10/99 Message-ID: > Stairway to the Stars > Before the Kiss > E.T.I. > Harvest Moon > Burnin' For You > Harvester of Eyes > Buck's Boogie > Take Me Away > Joan Crawford > Last Days Of May > Lips in the Hills > Cities On Flame > Godzilla > Reaper > (Encores) > Summer Of Love > Slow Down > Dominance and Submission What is "Slow Down"? -- Nick From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Nov 15 05:54:10 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy.Gilham) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 10:54:10 -0000 Subject: HW Fathead Halls, Croydon - quick review In-Reply-To: <001501bf2f03$c2a0f900$0100a8c0@vossnet.co.uk> Message-ID: Well, I enjoyed it, the sound and the performances were all over the place, sure, but I just got a really good vibe off it. Nik's still a Rock And Roll Shaman of the highest order! And there was kind of a party atmosphere with all the old and new guys together. I bet any tapes sound terrible though... they *mostly* started and ended at the same time. Nik was really pushing for another verse to "Master of the Universe." Nobody seemed sure who was supposed to be on lead vocals at any given time, etc etc... -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Mon Nov 15 06:20:19 1999 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (Sonique) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:20:19 +1100 Subject: HW: (Fwd) Trade Message-ID: Hey Guys (n Gals), I know the chances are slim, but does anyone out there have a spare copy of WotEoT for this guy? (Replies direct to Anthony please) Ta. S. ------- Forwarded message follows ------- From: Anthony Gallagher To: "'sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au'" Subject: Trade Date sent: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 10:41:29 +1100 hi there, I was wondering if you'd be able to place the following posting onto your site. "Would any Hawkwind fans have a spare or secondhand copy of 'Warrior at the Edge of Time' on CD that they would be prepared to either sell or trade? Doesn't matter what label it is on. I just can't seem to get it here in Australia. I can be contacted at anthonyg at naa.gov.au if you can help out in any way." Thanks greatly, cheers, Anthony ------- End of forwarded message ------- -- The email address ---> sonique at sonique.net The current project ---> http://sonique.net/house The bank balance ---> In the red :) From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Mon Nov 15 07:34:59 1999 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 12:34:59 -0000 Subject: HW Fathead Halls, Croydon - quick review Message-ID: I enjoyed seeing Simon, Nik and Harvey again, but that was about the only high point for me - nice seeing them speaking to each other! ALthough Motorway City was quite good (I've never heard it live as far as I recall). Yes, there was a bit of Song of the Gremlin after Ejection - I remembered when I woke up this morning. Nik also came in at the wrong time on the last verse of Brainstorm, and Dave had to have a torch to look at the words to Green Finned Demon... Oh yeah - and where were the people in the George...? --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy.Gilham To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Monday, November 15, 1999 10:54 AM Subject: Re: HW Fathead Halls, Croydon - quick review > Well, I enjoyed it, the sound and the performances were all over the place, > sure, but I just got a really good vibe off it. Nik's still a Rock And > Roll Shaman of the highest order! And there was kind of a party atmosphere > with all the old and new guys together. > > I bet any tapes sound terrible though... they *mostly* started and ended at > the same time. Nik was really pushing for another verse to "Master of the > Universe." Nobody seemed sure who was supposed to be on lead vocals at any > given time, etc etc... > > -- Andy > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Mon Nov 15 07:43:31 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 07:43:31 -0500 Subject: BOC: Mohegan Sun (11/20) - 2 Shows Message-ID: Of all the shows that I have been to in the past three years - these two were the best sounding. The Mohegan Sun's Wolf Den has an exceptional sound & light system, complete with a video screen over the stage. I have never heard the boy sound better. No missed cues, no bad levels, all around excellent. Set List - Show 1 Stairway to the Stars Before the Kiss, a Redcap (Awesome!) E.T.I. Harvest Moon Burning for You Harvester of Eyes Joan Crawford (Killer!) Cities on Flame Godzilla Reaper Set List - Show 2 Lips in the Hills (A Great Opener) E.T.I. Harvest Moon Buck's Boogie (6:40) Take Me Away Burning for You Cities on Flame The Vigil (Gotta Love it Live) Godzilla Reaper Only complaints - I wish the second show did not repeat any of the first sets songs. Considering that most everyone there was at both shows, I don't think anyone would have complained. Also, the video system has ALOT of special effects for transitions between shots, but who ever was running the board, used very few. New to the shows (for me). Bobby has a big-ass gong that he bashes on after his solo in Godzilla and at the end of Reaper. He also has an extended Bass drum - twice the normal size. Got to here Eric tell a joke while Buck's Cheese-berger was being repaired. Allen was quite animated - he was jumping around and criss-crossing the stage alot. Best part of the concert - they were FREE! and close to home. I hope that they will come back. From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Mon Nov 15 07:47:11 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 07:47:11 -0500 Subject: BOC: Live at the Middle East - 11/10/99 Message-ID: [Hall, Russell J] An Old Beatles tune - I think > What is "Slow Down"? > > -- Nick From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Mon Nov 15 07:56:33 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 07:56:33 -0500 Subject: Mohegan Sun (11/20) - 2 Shows - Doh! Message-ID: Been living in the future a little too much, lately! Obviously, that should have been 11/13. > -----Original Message----- > From: Hall, Russell J [SMTP:russell.j.hall at lmco.com] > Sent: Monday, November 15, 1999 7:44 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: BOC: Mohegan Sun (11/20) - 2 Shows > > Of all the shows that I have been to in the past three years - these two > were the best sounding. The Mohegan Sun's Wolf Den > has an exceptional sound & light system, complete with a video screen over > the stage. I have never heard the boy sound better. No missed cues, no > bad > levels, all around excellent. > > Set List - Show 1 > Stairway to the Stars > Before the Kiss, a Redcap (Awesome!) > E.T.I. > Harvest Moon > Burning for You > Harvester of Eyes > Joan Crawford (Killer!) > Cities on Flame > Godzilla > Reaper > > Set List - Show 2 > Lips in the Hills (A Great Opener) > E.T.I. > Harvest Moon > Buck's Boogie (6:40) > Take Me Away > Burning for You > Cities on Flame > The Vigil (Gotta Love it Live) > Godzilla > Reaper > > Only complaints - I wish the second show did not repeat any of the first > sets songs. Considering that most everyone there was at both shows, I > don't > think anyone would have complained. Also, the video system has ALOT of > special effects for transitions between shots, but who ever was running > the > board, used very few. > > New to the shows (for me). Bobby has a big-ass gong that he bashes on > after > his solo in Godzilla and at the end of Reaper. > He also has an extended Bass drum - twice the normal size. Got to here > Eric > tell a joke while Buck's Cheese-berger was being repaired. > > Allen was quite animated - he was jumping around and criss-crossing the > stage alot. > > Best part of the concert - they were FREE! and close to home. I hope that > they will come back. From bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET Mon Nov 15 08:12:34 1999 From: bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET (Brian Halligan) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:12:34 -0500 Subject: BOC: Live at the Middle East - 11/10/99 In-Reply-To: <91B3F4CA7220D1118BA00000F83114BD03F0A0ED@emss05m03.sanders .lmco.com> Message-ID: >> What is "Slow Down"? >> >> -- Nick >[Hall, Russell J] An Old Beatles tune - I think Yep. They played this at a show in New Hartford, NY maybe a year and a half ago. "Smokin'" Joe Bonomassa (sp?) teen blues guitarist extrordinare jamed with the band on this tune. He and Buck had a mutual appreciation society going on up there. Theo was there, he'll tell you. :-) Brian OB Other cover of Slow Down> Brian May "Another World" album From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Mon Nov 15 08:40:49 1999 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:40:49 EST Subject: BOC: Live at the Middle East - 11/10/99 Message-ID: ya know, i saw boc earlier in the year at the middle east in boston; i didn't go to this recent show because i had just seen 'em, and at the very same venue. now i see the set list from the other night and I WAS ROBBED!! songs not played at the middle east last time: dominance and submission harvester of eyes joan crawford lips in the hills then came the last days of may before the kiss, a redcap golden age of leather what's up with that? 5 of my all-time-fave boc songs are on that list. also: there were no songs played in their stead! take the set list from the other nigth and subtract the above list and that's the set i saw. any hardcore boc followers know why we got so shorth-canged? i assume the ticket price was the same... rmayo From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Mon Nov 15 08:50:01 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:50:01 -0500 Subject: BOC: Live at the Middle East - 11/10/99 Message-ID: 15 bucks. But Golden Age of Leather was not played at the Middle East this time. > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert C. Mayo [SMTP:RMayo19761 at AOL.COM] > Sent: Monday, November 15, 1999 8:41 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: BOC: Live at the Middle East - 11/10/99 > > ya know, > i saw boc earlier in the year at the middle east in boston; i didn't go to > this recent show because i had just seen 'em, and at the very same venue. > now > i see the set list from the other night and I WAS ROBBED!! > > songs not played at the middle east last time: > > dominance and submission > harvester of eyes > joan crawford > lips in the hills > then came the last days of may > before the kiss, a redcap > golden age of leather > > what's up with that? 5 of my all-time-fave boc songs are on that list. > also: > there were no songs played in their stead! take the set list from the > other > nigth and subtract the above list and that's the set i saw. any hardcore > boc > followers know why we got so shorth-canged? i assume the ticket price was > the > same... > > rmayo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 15 07:53:23 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:53:23 EDT Subject: BOC: Live at the Middle East - 11/10/99 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19991115080653.0095a860@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: > From: Brian Halligan > >> What is "Slow Down"? > >> > >> -- Nick > > >[Hall, Russell J] An Old Beatles tune - I think > > Yep. They played this at a show in New Hartford, NY maybe a year and a half > ago. "Smokin'" Joe Bonomassa (sp?) teen blues guitarist extrordinare jamed > with the band on this tune. He and Buck had a mutual appreciation society > going on up there. Theo was there, he'll tell you. :-) > Yeah, I'll bite. Torgo Sedler was there too. Smokin' Joe is an amazing player, and I'm mystified that he isn't a bigger star, esp. given the success that other young 'blues' hot shots like Kenny Wayne Vaughan and Jonny Collins Lang are experiencing. I've seen 'em all, and none of these kids even approach Smokin' Joe as a player. Derek Trucks is in Joe's league, but he plays a lot different style of music. Joe's songwriting is pretty impressive too. Lots of key changes, tempo changes etc. Considering you can catch him in small clubs, Joe is a great concert experience... All that being said, I wasn't too pleased seeing him on stage with BOC! It's apples and oranges, and I don't particularly dig seeing BOC play covers like 'Slow Down' nor do I like seeing a blues-tyoe guy jamming with BOC. Just doesn't jibe with my twisted sense of aesthetics... theo From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Nov 15 09:54:04 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 09:54:04 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: OFF??: Response In-Reply-To: <0.3ee15026.2560fbcf@aol.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Robert C. Mayo wrote: => and even if i could filter, i wouldn't. as for the "boatload of => answers", here at rmayo HQ i got exactly ONE from personal => friend Larry B, and ONE from the second posting, again from => Larry. if filtering is going on, it's without my knowledge. Yes, but if it's correct, ONE answer is all you need. ;-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Mon Nov 15 10:16:09 1999 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (Michael R Godwin) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 15:16:09 +0000 Subject: BOC: Live at the Middle East - 11/10/99 In-Reply-To: <91B3F4CA7220D1118BA00000F83114BD03F0A0ED@emss05m03.sanders.lmco.com> Message-ID: > > -- Nick > > What is "Slow Down"? On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Hall, Russell J wrote: > [Hall, Russell J] An Old Beatles tune - I think The Beatles cover is the best known version, but it was originally by Larry Williams (of 'Bony Moronie' fame). - Mike Godwin. From bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET Mon Nov 15 10:38:58 1999 From: bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET (Brian Halligan) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 10:38:58 -0500 Subject: BOC: Live at the Middle East - 11/10/99 In-Reply-To: <4C935155E44@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: >> >> What is "Slow Down"? >> >> >> >> -- Nick >> >> >[Hall, Russell J] An Old Beatles tune - I think Then I replied: >>Theo was there, he'll tell you. :-) >Yeah, I'll bite. Torgo Sedler was there too. And through this list Torgo pointed me towards an amazing Mexican restaurant right across the street from the venue. One of many reasons BOC-L is my favorite list. Music knowledge + culinary advice is a potent combination. >Smokin' Joe is an >amazing player, and I'm mystified that he isn't a bigger star, esp. >given the success that other young 'blues' hot shots like Kenny Wayne >Vaughan and Jonny Collins Lang are experiencing. I've seen 'em all, >and none of these kids even approach Smokin' Joe as a player. I saw Lang on a Blues program from the White House on PBS. He seemed like a cross between Van Halen and Joe Cocker! Strangely enough, I saw Kenny Wayne open for Van Halen once...he does sound more like the second coming of Vaughan though. >All that being said, I wasn't too pleased seeing him on stage with >BOC! It's apples and oranges, and I don't particularly dig seeing >BOC play covers like 'Slow Down' nor do I like seeing a blues-tyoe >guy jamming with BOC. Just doesn't jibe with my twisted sense of >aesthetics... > >theo At least he didn't attempt to play Dominance & Submission. That would have sounded more "wrong" that BOC playing Slow Down, IMHO. ;-) Brian From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 15 10:29:43 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 11:29:43 EDT Subject: BOC: Live at the Middle East - 11/10/99 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19991115102727.00957c30@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: > From: Brian Halligan > I saw Lang on a Blues program from the White House on PBS. He seemed like a > cross between Van Halen and Joe Cocker! Hmm...he doesn't look anything like EVH, and if we're talking guitar-playing ability...But I will say one good thing about him--he's a pretty good singer. Sounds like a seasoned veteran and not a high-school kid. Maybe some day he'll learn another guitar lick to go along with the one he keeps recycling all night... I saw Jonny open for Jeff Beck! At least it wasn't JB opening for JL. Should have seen all the kids in the crowd. You know they weren't Jeff Beck fans. Anyway, the 'second' guitarist in Jonny's band was relegated to strictly rhythm playing for most of the set. But toward the end of his show, JL let the old guy play a couple of solos--and he blew Jonny off the stage. JL's nothing but a gimmick. I'm sure his heart's in the right place, but that shouldn't entitle him to anything but our blessing... theo From age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Nov 15 05:36:23 1999 From: age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Adrian Parr) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 10:36:23 -0000 Subject: HW Croydon Message-ID: Hello Folks Having seen a few postings about the Croydon gig last night, thought i'd write a few points. First, it was one of those shows that had LOTS of potential, which was let down badly by the dreadful sound mix. It was all over the place, which was a real shame. Second, we took someone along who hadn't seen the band before and she thought it was great stuff, which is encouraging as that doesn't often happen. Next, it was great to see Nik, and despite many people disliking his honking sax, i reckon he ads a huge amount. He certainly rekindles the fun, and personally i love Nik's sax mixed into Hawkwind music. Simon did a grand job, if only the sound was levelled right and the sight of Dave Brock emerging a number of times from behind his backstage right position was something i haven't seen for about ten years. As for the overall gig, it certainly could have been better. The Eclipse Party in August was far more together, and that saw the band playing off the back of a flat bed. Arrival In Utopia was great there, and Rizz's vocals in the mid section was awesome. At Croydon, this just never worked, and as was mentioned, the show got going then stopped. Jerry's guitar was completely inaudible and the drums were clip clipping. Ron seemed to be having countless problems too. I guess the trouble with playing just a handful of dates is that early problems don't have a chance to be sorted out. If there were another ten or so, i reckon they would have been storming. Lastly, i enjoyed the whole evening. The atmosphere was spot on and it was great to see Hawkwind live again, and everyone seemed to be having a good time. Plus i met a load of peoplei hadn't seen for ages, and only known through phone and letters which is always a high point of a Hawkwind gig. Anyway, keep the faith All the best Age Visit the "Hawkeye on Hawkwind" website at: http://www.conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk/index.html From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Nov 15 12:24:04 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 17:24:04 +0000 Subject: OFF: Mouse On Mars (Not Uncle Sam...) Message-ID: Well, I might have missed out on the Hawks (but not too much, judging by the reports so far), but a surprise 'phone call from a mate resulted in my joining a surprisingly large and enthusiatic crowd to see Mouse on Mars on Sunday night at Media in Nottingham. I'd only heard an odd track or two before, but I was WELL-impressed. I suppose this German trio are what nowadays is called "Post-rock". Being unkind, first impressions were "They're no Can", but who is. They definitely owe a great debt to the so called "krautrock" era, and their opener reminded me a little of Tortoise & Bark Psychosis. This should be enough to whet the appetites of all the fans of electronica on this list, and anybody who likes the occasional electro/techno excursions of HW should check them out as well. Real drums, basses & guitars help to give the music a more organic feel, and they know how to "rock out" rather than just relying on drones and pulses. Unfortunately the gig had been re-timed to start and finish earlier than was originally advertised, and we missed the support acts bar about 5 mins of F/X Randomiz - who also sounded interesting. The venue itself was pretty extraordinary too, having been designed to put a VERY modern club into the shell of a listed building without spoiling the internal architectural features. It was also my first experience of a designer toilet *g*. Cheers, ChrisW ObGig: See above!!! "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET Mon Nov 15 12:51:19 1999 From: bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET (Brian Halligan) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 12:51:19 -0500 Subject: OFF: Jonny Lang (was BOC: Live at the Middle East - 11/10/99) In-Reply-To: <4CBD0260093@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: >> From: Brian Halligan >> I saw Lang on a Blues program from the White House on PBS. He seemed like a >> cross between Van Halen and Joe Cocker! Theo wrote: >Hmm...he doesn't look anything like EVH, and if we're talking >guitar-playing ability...But I will say one good thing about >him--he's a pretty good singer. Lang's solos didn't have much to do with the tunes. Like EVH's solos tend to ramble for no reason. Or like I sometimes ramble for no reason. :-) I think his singing style (in sound and look) is similar to Joe Cocker. Whether that's good or bad, I leave up to personal tastes. Brian OB solo following a melody> Slash's solo in "November Rain" by GNR Not big on the band, or the tune, but I like the solo! From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Mon Nov 15 13:40:45 1999 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:40:45 EST Subject: one answer is all i need? Message-ID: one answer is all i need, eh? larry is a close friend, i could have picked up the phone and asked him, ar simply e-mailed him as i do regularly. me getting a response from larry is a given. what i was looking for was a response from 'the list', many and varied opinions. one answer may be all i need, but it's not what i want, especially when trying to be part of a discussion group. hmmmm..... rmayo From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Mon Nov 15 14:45:01 1999 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 19:45:01 -0000 Subject: HW: The tour I survived Message-ID: Hi, still reeling after a slightly woolly day back at work (thankfully only a course rather than real work this week!). It seemed prudent to take most of last week off, and polite since I had quite a house-full staying over for the Stables gig on Wednesday. The (main) setlist (which has been listed already by a couple of folk) was pretty much the same each night I attended (all except Cornwall, there's dedication and there's dedication...) except that Aniseed was dropped at Croydon and High Rise was replaced with Green Finned Demon at the same. Oxford was probably the weakest of the gigs, but not by much. Ron broke a string, and although it wasn't a big disaster he did keep apologising for troubles with his bass thereafter (amidst cries from Dave of "Come on Ron... you're a professional musician now!"), High Rise seemed a bit under-rehearsed but was great to finally hear live. Harvey didn't perform with the band here either, his gear had been set up at the front of the stage where Simon was to stand, and so had to be removed be HW came on. At future gigs he was tucked away in the shadows, just like the good old days. Rizz came on and joined the band for a new middle section to Brainstorm, which to my mind didn't work as well as the old Camera That Could Lie/In Your Area space reggae thing. We arrived at Norwich just in time to grab a drink and catch the end of Harvey's set, followed by a fairly swift changeover for HW. We managed to get ourselves a good spot near the stage in front of Dave and Simon. The wrinkles from the previous night had all been ironed-out. High-Rise was beautiful and Brainstorm dropped any sense an ambient middle section in favour of all-out mayhem. The same encore tracks of The Right Stuff and Song of the Gremlin were played (Standing at the Edge was also recited). Spirit of the Age followed, with Richard using a drum machine to begin with, before switching to drums as the song built slowly to a powerful climax. Just when I thought would be it, the smoke machine when into overdrive and I could just make Dave picking his guitar up again before thrashing out the opening riff to Master of the Universe. Totally stunning, just as it was at Pentrich this summer. All that followed was a rather difficult drive home, involving various detours (some of my accidental making and one due to a road closure) and a strange encounter with some incredibly demonic-looking highway maintenance vehicles. At least I had Wednesday off which I most definitely needed! Next up was the Stables gig, which is just over the other side of town for me. Several friends and relatives came over for this and the band didn't disappoint! Harvey was joined by Dibs on bass (which may have the case at Norwich, but we hadn't got near the stage before he left). Again we managed to get a spot right at the foot of the stage in front of Dave and Simon, much to my friend John's delight - he's been wondering what Dave Brock looked like since first saw the band in about '74! I had been told that the Stables was a small venue, but I was prepared for how small! As Ron pointed out at "this is just like playing a private party". The no smoking policy was somewhat ignored! I'd have sparked up sooner but I thought the guy behind me was a bouncer, until he seemed to know all the words! The set was the same as the previous two nights but even tighter, Brainstorm even more powerful than the night before. The encore (as such, the band didn't leave the stage at all until the very end, as someone pointed out, they couldn't have if they wanted to anyway!) Green Finned Demon was up first, with some beautiful guitar and violin from Messrs Brock and House (this was the first time that Dave's guitar has dominated the mix at HW gig for me - but then I was only about 10ft away from his backline!). The Right Stuff and Song of the Gremlin followed, the Master of the Universe and an even-better version of Spirit of the Age. Following this was a sort techno-jam/duel between Dave and Richard which didn't really go anywhere but both seemed to enjoy, especially Richard who kicked his legs in the air in delight at the end. Richard seemed to be having a particularly good-time at this gig and chatted quite a lot in between songs. Rizz had turned up but didn't get on stage, I could hear Ron saying "Dave Rizz is here!" but Dave didn't seem to notice as he had his head buried in his keyboards. Getting my ticket on the night meant I was sat right up the back at Croydon (and I arrived a bit too late to go looking for the pub). Harvey's set worked particularly well this night, with Dibs helping out on bass again. This was the only night I saw to have a full show. The stage was big enough to accommodate a full light show and the dancers and fire eaters as at Pentrich. Only the '99 band plus Harvey took the stage to start, but during Motorway City I distinctly thought I could hear a sax and then noticed this spiky-looking character making his way through the audience, playing with a radio make, and picking his way to the stage. Quite an entrance for Mr. Turner! Simon joined for Assault & Battery/Golden Void which was enhanced by some lovely flute from Nik. Nik, in general, was somewhat more subdued than I'd expected. Rizz joined the band for the middle sections of Arrival In Utopia (which was preceded by Nik reciting Utopia '84/2000, or whatever) and Brainstorm. The encore was altered to Ejection (with Dibs on bass and Nik on vocals, but with Ron doing his "Falling" piece as per the HW '97 cd). Master of the Universe followed with Nik desperately trying to cram in an extra verse! All in all a great gig, not the best of the tour, which for me was Milton Keynes both musically and because I had a crowd of mates with me (plus my sister, I dragged her and her boyfriend to the '97 tour because I thought he'd enjoy it and they both loved it, and jumped at the chance to come and stay for the gig last week). Roll on the next one! I guess thats more than enough for now, Nick From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Nov 15 16:08:52 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:08:52 -0800 Subject: HW: The tour I survived Message-ID: I hope I'm speaking for all the boc-l HW fans on this (American) side of the pond when I give a big "thanks" to everyone who posted reviews of the tour. It's great to immediately know how things went, knowing there was no way I was going to see any of the 5000-miles-away shows, even though I would have LOVED to see Hawkwind with both Simon and Nik guesting (and Harvey, too!). -Doug (trying to figure out a way to get to Brixton next spring) ceres at sirius.com From g.m.wright at TINYONLINE.CO.UK Mon Nov 15 15:07:04 1999 From: g.m.wright at TINYONLINE.CO.UK (g.m.wright) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:07:04 -0000 Subject: norwich Message-ID: I'm really glad I got to see HW at Norwich, I didn't think the sound wasn't too distorted though I do think it was impossible to tell if Harvey was playing or not. The thing that really impressed me was Ron's ability on base, it sounded just perfect for the band, I didn't miss Alan this year (unlike last). Simon was just magic on violin. If I could find fault with the evening it would be that Jerry's guitar was too quiet, Dave's too loud and Nik wasn't there ! 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C'mon pretty baby give me one more chance Try savin' our romance Slow down --- Baby now you're movin' way too fast You gotta give me little lovin', gimme little lovin'... Uh! if you want our love to last... John From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 15 16:01:34 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 21:01:34 +0000 Subject: HW: The tour I survived In-Reply-To: <000c01bf2fa1$ffcc9160$d347a8c2@xpnwjjkf> Message-ID: In message <000c01bf2fa1$ffcc9160$d347a8c2 at xpnwjjkf>, Nick Lee writes Great review, Nick, cheers! -- Jon From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Mon Nov 15 16:16:47 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:16:47 +0100 Subject: HW: The tour I survived/St. Austell 12/11/99 In-Reply-To: <000c01bf2fa1$ffcc9160$d347a8c2@xpnwjjkf> Message-ID: Hello Nick hello Ian Thank you very very much for these great reviews I wish I could have made it to one of these gigs, especially Milton Keynes which seems to be the best gig of the tour Bernhard From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Mon Nov 15 17:36:57 1999 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:36:57 -0000 Subject: HW: St Austell Coliseum Gig Message-ID: The most interesting thing was Ron's performance, which was excellent for the first half but just became so over the top towards the end as to be irritating. I got the impression that there might have been some (friendly, I'm sure) rivalry between Ron and Nik. There was also the matter of which of them would stay on stage the longest at the end of the gig making announcements (Ron won with his 'this band is anti-heroin speech'). Ron's performance was certainly more over-the-top at Croydon than the non-Nik gigs. By the way, I meant to say 'hi' to those of you I met (briefly) at the end of the Croydon gig ('d have liked to have made it to the pub but London traffic conspired against me). Hope to meet y'all again sometime. Nick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 15 17:20:55 1999 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:20:55 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: OFF??: Response In-Reply-To: <0.3ee15026.2560fbcf@aol.com> Message-ID: At 06:01 15/11/99 , Robert C. Mayo wrote: >as for the "boatload of answers", here at rmayo HQ i got exactly >ONE from personal friend Larry B, and ONE from the second posting, again from >Larry. if filtering is going on, it's without my knowledge. >if this is some sort of technical FU, i apologize, but judging from some of >your responses to my outro, alot of you have felt the same. I must admit to being really confused by this message. Our perceptions obviously differ dramatically. You've obviously seen several responses on this thread. Today I also got another message in the SR/SRII thread, which I thought you started. If I'm right, that's a very successful thread to have started! Are you not seeing those messages, or am I wrong that that whole discussion arose from your message about SR and SRII? (I could well be wrong, after all I don't keep count of other people's messages -- I only noticed that because you posted your message twice, and I wondered why). Dave. Dave Berry, www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~daveb From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Mon Nov 15 19:31:10 1999 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:31:10 +1000 Subject: Other: Moorcock: The Bellyflops! (fwd) In-Reply-To: <382FA5AB.3E1DDA2@virgin.net> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Dave Greenhalgh > Sent: Monday, 15 November 1999 4:18 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: Other: Moorcock: The Bellyflops! (fwd) > > > Interesting site, I'd not seen this one before. Is it just me > or are all the > links in the music section 404's? Shame if they are, because the > Bellyflops was > certainly new to me! Anyone got this? Berry, the chappie who runs the site is in the middle of a big renovation and so expect a few 404s for a little while yet. I've got some of the album, but its a pretty rare album - there are only a couple of acetates in existence - I know Mike M has a copy, but Langdon Jones got rid of his. I've asked Mike and Lang to if they'd be keen to release a CD of this album, but neither were too keen. It was a one-off spoof intended to be given out at a SF convention... I've got some pictures taken at the session, and a bit of information on my site at:- http://moorcock.cjb.net/ Max Wilcox From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Mon Nov 15 23:06:09 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:06:09 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Set-list 11/13/99 Message-ID: "Space Does Not Care": every Sat. evening 5-8pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. For web-radio instructions, requests for removal/addition to this mailing list or any other comments: chuckrecs at aol.com 11/13/99: 1.F.S.O.L.--Domain/Spineless Jelly/Interstat/Vertical Pig (Life Forms) 2.Hash Jar Tempo--Praedludium und Fuge. D-Moll (Under Glass) 3.Pressurehed--The Right Stuff (Sudden Vertigo) 4.Ozric Tentacles--Stretchy (Jurassic Shift) 5.Knights of the Occasional Table--Lava Lamp (Les Elephants du Paradis) 6.Escapade--Undermine (Citrus Cloud Cover) 7.Can--Moonshake (Future Days) 8.Anubian Lights--Jackal & 9 (Biocosmic Energy Mix ) 9.Subarachnoid Space--Slow Boat to China (Delicate Membrane) 10.Helios Creed--Late Bloomer (Bursting Through the Van Allen Belt) 11.Alien Planetscapes--Gravel (Life on Earth) 12.Hawkwind--Orgone Accumulator (Space Ritual) 13.Gong/Orb--A PHP's Advice (YouMixed) 14.Eat Static--Dionysiac (Epsylon) 15.Harmonia '76--By the Riverside (Tracks & Traces) 16.Quarkspace--The Circle (Hidden Moon) 17.Frank Zappa/Mothers--My Guitar Wants to Kill Your Mama (Weasels Ripped My Flesh) 18.Melting Euphoria--Celestial Hysteria (Inside the Gardens of the Mind) Chuck From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Nov 16 04:07:12 1999 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 01:07:12 PST Subject: one answer is all i need? Message-ID: And there was me thinking he was just paraphrasing: "There's only one thing (one thing), you got ta know...and Little Richard tol' me...you gotta let that girl...etc..." Ho hum. But I think the suggestion someone else made was poifec'- use a different mail program or account, 'cos you _have_ got loads of responses. Try Hotmail (although I'd be shy of pushing a Microshaft product), I've never had any problems with it and since I only use this account for BOC-L it _NEVER_ gets spammed. Chris. >one answer is all i need, eh? >larry is a close friend, i could have picked up the phone and asked him, or >simply e-mailed him as i do regularly. me getting a response from larry is >a given. what i was looking for was a response from 'the list', many and >varied opinions. one answer may be all i need, but it's not what i want, >especially when trying to be part of a discussion group. >hmmmm..... >rmayo ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Nov 16 04:12:37 1999 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 01:12:37 PST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" but I do. Like Luke Skywalker did... Message-ID: >"Space Does Not Care": every Sat. evening 5-8pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. For >web-radio instructions, requests for removal/addition to this mailing list >or any other comments: chuckrecs at aol.com Chuck: your set-lists always make cool reading but answer me this.... Have you ever considered setting up a continuously looped stream of your set, in a subfolder of the server you have it hosted on, rather than just one broadcast? I realize that this _is_ actually asking a lot, but I'm in the UK and I sleep through your show, although that's a time difference thing..:-> I would like to tune in though. Cheers, Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Tue Nov 16 07:01:31 1999 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:01:31 -0000 Subject: HW: Off Zork and website and recent gigs Message-ID: Hello! Hawkwind's own feelings on recent gigs will be made known soon! Completely off the subject however, does anyone have the game Zork? If so when you get to the old sailor with the painting, what do you do? I have been on the foggy marsh, in the cellar of the pub and on the wharf, but I don't seem to be getting any further, can anyone give me a few pointers? Well I'm off to update the website! (This may take some time) If anyone has contributions they can make to website, that they can send to me in a simple to paste up format, they will be most welcome! Kris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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SAH NP HW: Live & Rare - Onward Flies The Bird Blessings and peace from Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground E-zine, freezine and online Record Store at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van Vliet alternate url: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Nov 16 12:14:09 1999 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:14:09 +0000 Subject: OFF: UK: Unida gig Message-ID: For those UK folks on the list who like a bit of stoner rock, a reminder that John Garcia's post Kyuss band Unida play London Garage on thursday night. Can't recall price but www.ticketweb.co.uk will sort you out. Their debut album _Coping with the Urban Coyote_ sure kick's Josh Homme's Queens of the Stone Age into touch IMHO. cheers Tim From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Nov 16 13:33:16 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:33:16 -0500 Subject: HW/OFF: Boulé w/ Tim Blake Message-ID: Hi Folks.... Just noticed that Voiceprint has reissued this old Christian Boul? solo album with two new bonus tracks featuring Tim Blake. Thought some of you might be interested. Does anyone have Photomusik? I've got 'Non-Fiction' (his second solo album?) on LP, and I rather much like it despite some pretentious weirdness. What do you expect from the Gong extended family? :) Keith H. (FAA) P.S. Any word on Tim Blake's Crystal Island, or whatever it was to be called? Seems like it's taking a really long time to get this thing out. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Christian Boule/Photomusik - On his first solo record, the ex-Steve HILLAGE guitarist helped by Cyrille VERDEAUX, JP THIRAULT, etc plays a twirling music with spacy parts reminiscent of the firsts works by Steve HILLAGE himself, but keeping his own identity. He can here let his guitar talents fully show. The CD includes two excellent bonus tracks from 1998 with Tim BLAKE and other musicians. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 16 14:05:50 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:05:50 GMT Subject: HW Fathead Halls, Croydon - quick review In-Reply-To: Andy.Gilham's message of Mon, 15 Nov 1999 10:54:10 -0000 Message-ID: Andy.Gilham writes: > Well, I enjoyed it, the sound and the performances were all over the place, > sure, but I just got a really good vibe off it. Nik's still a Rock And > Roll Shaman of the highest order! And there was kind of a party atmosphere > with all the old and new guys together. Yep, I'd go with that. It kinda worked when they played a track they all knew. It failed totally when they tried to go into a jam, which is understandable but a pity since long flowing jams have been too rare lately. > I bet any tapes sound terrible though... they *mostly* started and ended at > the same time. Nik was really pushing for another verse to "Master of the > Universe." Nobody seemed sure who was supposed to be on lead vocals at any > given time, etc etc... I liked Nik trying to sneak in his extra verse of MotU at the end but the rest of 'em closing it down. He's a cheeky one is Nik. > -- Andy FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 16 14:08:27 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:08:27 GMT Subject: HW Fathead Halls, Croydon - quick review In-Reply-To: Kevin Perry's message of Mon, 15 Nov 1999 12:34:59 -0000 Message-ID: Kevin Perry writes: > I enjoyed seeing Simon, Nik and Harvey again, but that was about the only > high point for me - nice seeing them speaking to each other! ALthough > Motorway City was quite good (I've never heard it live as far as I recall). > > Yes, there was a bit of Song of the Gremlin after Ejection - I remembered > when I woke up this morning. Nik also came in at the wrong time on the last > verse of Brainstorm, and Dave had to have a torch to look at the words to > Green Finned Demon... > > Oh yeah - and where were the people in the George...? Mike W and I were there from around 17.30 at least and there were six of us there by 19.30. I did look in at 15.00 but couldn't see any likely candidates except a couple of people who I assumed were newbies to the list and should therefore be ignored. FoFP P.S: a smiley :-) for the humour impaired. From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Nov 16 13:59:28 1999 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (IAN ABRAHAMS) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:59:28 -0000 Subject: HW: St Austell Coliseum Gig Message-ID: I think we'll have to write it off as friendly rivalry between Ron and Nik, but I just thought that Nik deserved his "five minutes in the sun" so to speak without Ron trying to a) out-do him and b) talk over him. I just felt respect was due and at St. Austell Nik didn't get his fair share of the limelight. The most interesting thing was Ron's performance, which was excellent for the first half but just became so over the top towards the end as to be irritating. I got the impression that there might have been some (friendly, I'm sure) rivalry between Ron and Nik. There was also the matter of which of them would stay on stage the longest at the end of the gig making announcements (Ron won with his 'this band is anti-heroin speech'). Ron's performance was certainly more over-the-top at Croydon than the non-Nik gigs. By the way, I meant to say 'hi' to those of you I met (briefly) at the end of the Croydon gig ('d have liked to have made it to the pub but London traffic conspired against me). Hope to meet y'all again sometime. Nick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 16 14:16:32 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:16:32 GMT Subject: HW: The tour I survived/St. Austell 12/11/99 In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:16:47 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hello Nick > hello Ian > > > > Thank you very very much for these great reviews > > I wish I could have made it to one of these gigs, especially Milton Keynes > which seems to be the best gig of the tour I thought you;d be announcing that you already have tapes from every gig on the tour with quality ratings and tracklists. FoFP From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Tue Nov 16 16:06:59 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:06:59 +0100 Subject: HW: The tour I survived/St. Austell 12/11/99 In-Reply-To: <199911161916.TAA28946@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 19:16 16.11.99 +0000, Mike Holmes wrote: >I thought you;d be announcing that you already have tapes from >every gig on the tour with quality ratings and tracklists. :-)))))))))))) Be patient dear friend. You'll get what you're asking for in a couple of days Have got 3 tapes now. Still looking for St.Austell and Oxford.... SPIRIT OF THE AGE from Milton Keynes seems to be the highlight of the tour. PHANTASTIC!!! Bernhard From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Nov 16 19:02:52 1999 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:02:52 +0000 Subject: HW: The tour I survived Message-ID: Hi Nick Nick Lee wrote: > > Hi, > > still reeling after a slightly woolly day back at work (thankfully only a > course rather than real work this week!). It seemed prudent to take most of > last week off, and polite since I had quite a house-full staying over for > the Stables gig on Wednesday. I know the feeling! Struggled through today especially since my train home on Monday was delayed and with it any hopes of catching up on lost sleep 8-( > The (main) setlist (which has been listed already by a couple of folk) was > pretty much the same each night I attended (all except Cornwall, there's > dedication and there's dedication...) except that Aniseed was dropped at > Croydon and High Rise was replaced with Green Finned Demon at the same. The Croyon set was essentially the same as St Austell although Simon House wasn't at Cornwall. The Croydon show had some intermittently wonderful moments and people all around me thought it was a brilliant gig but there were times when I felt the on stage dancing was getting too much. Personally I preferred St. Austell although the vocals sound was dreadful and the crowd was smaller but the set was much more coherent and Nik's flute (which he seemed to play more than his sax) was just exquisite. A perfect counterpoint to the music especially during the long jam after Golden Void and during Green Finned Demon. Have to say this latter track started dreadfully slowly - especially after the preceding Hippy and threatened to break the mood but Dave has a good voice which came over really well despite the poor sound quality and with Dave on guitar and Nik on flute (at least I'm sure it was this track where that combination happened!) they brought an elegance and melody that really made it come to life. That was followed by a really tight Blue Skin and an excellent Brainstorm. The crowd at Cornwall was disappointingly small - though considering the remoteness of the venue (right down on the beach in an otherwise deserted bay surrounded on all sides by steep high sided cliffs, picturesque but remote) and with apparently no advertising at all it's amazing how many people did turn up!! It was a nightmare journey down but thankfully Hawkwind put on a fantastic show which really made the journey worthwhile and I now have a genuine claim to fame - I stayed in the same hotel as Dave Brock! Sitting by the hotel entrance reading a newspaper waiting for a taxi back to St Austell and suddenly Dave Brock strides (and I do mean strides!) through the front door heading off for a walk along the cliffs. Wonderful moment! Wierd hotel though - the room had a TV that talked to you. I arrived in my room, started to unpack and was suddenly aware of strange blue glow behind me that hadn't been there when I first walked in. I turned round very carefully and found my TV had turned itself on and with a lurid blue notice was bidding me welcome and hoping that I had a pleasant stay. I dunno - I never felt quite safe with it after that! However - definitely worth doing and I'm glad I did. jill -- ====================================================================== Jill Strobridge or J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk ====================================================================== From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 17 05:45:58 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:45:58 GMT Subject: HW: The tour I survived In-Reply-To: Jill's message of Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:02:52 +0000 Message-ID: Jill writes: > Wierd hotel though - the room had a TV that talked to you. I arrived in > my room, started to unpack and was suddenly aware of strange blue glow > behind me that hadn't been there when I first walked in. I turned round > very carefully and found my TV had turned itself on and with a lurid > blue notice was bidding me welcome and hoping that I had a pleasant > stay "Good evening Jill. I know I've made some very bad decisions lately but I want you to know that I have every confidence in this mission." From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 17 06:38:38 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:38:38 GMT Subject: Chronicles White Book CDI disc Message-ID: Does anyone know what software will play this on a 'puter or know web sites such software can be downloaded? It says it's CDI White Book Mpeg compatible. Cheers foFP From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Wed Nov 17 07:33:56 1999 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 06:33:56 -0600 Subject: Chronicles White Book CDI disc Message-ID: Try the Windows Media Player: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/mediaplayer/en/download/allplayers.asp I have this disc too and that software has worked. :-) Karen M Holmes wrote: > > Does anyone know what software will play this on a 'puter or know web > sites such software can be downloaded? > > It says it's CDI White Book Mpeg compatible. > > Cheers > > foFP -- "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." - Frank Zappa From MLee at ESPARTO.ORG Wed Nov 17 07:02:49 1999 From: MLee at ESPARTO.ORG (Mark Lee) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:02:49 +0000 Subject: HW: Epoch Eclipse Review. In-Reply-To: <199911171001.FAA11612@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: I was at my mates last night and picked up his copy of Uncut for November 1999, it had a short review in which I quote below :- Hawkwind Epoch Eclipse EMI * * * * * The 30th anniversary compilation as either a double CD or three-CD boxed set. HAWKWIND made a big bad nasty soun in the early seventies, and despite their reputation as whispy-hippy progressive dilettantes, managed to record some of the most compelling rocck'n'roll of the decade. Fronted variously by Dave Brock, Nik Turner, Bob Calvert and Lemmy, tracks like "Master of the Universe", "Brainstorm", and "Brainbox Pollution" were three chord masterpieces unashamedly tackling the business of "simulating the acid experience". Hawkwind cited the Velvets' "Sister Ray" and Michael Moorcock as influences, and this boxed set finally achieves what a hundred previous compilations have failed to do. It samples every era of the band from 1970's "Hurry on Sundown" to the astonishing 1999 KLF remix of "Silver Machine" which, one hopes, will finally re-establish the credentials of the only truly space rock band. Peter Huxley. I was really quite pleased with the 5 star rating and really must get my bum in gear and buy the bloody set soon - hmmm - wonder what I'll get for xmas this year... Meanwhile, back to lurking at work. Mark. From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Wed Nov 17 08:58:24 1999 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:58:24 +0000 Subject: Other: Moorcock: The Bellyflops! (fwd) In-Reply-To: <000801bf2fc9$e13d82e0$2c0d64cb@mir> Message-ID: Max, had a look around > http://moorcock.cjb.net/ and found it very good, informative and interesting, and well presented. Thanks for making the effort, and keep up the good work. I know that there are some pages that are at an early stage, but I thought I'd mention a couple of things that you probably know, but might not. In the influenced music section I think Cirith Ungol might make an appearance. their covers were Elric paintings, and they give thanks to MM for inspiration. However I cannot remember if any of their music is MM inspired. >From the links page I couldn't get through to Moorcock tavern http://www.cybernet2000.co.uk/moorcock/index.htm it looks fairly dead. Cheers for the good stuff. Mike w From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 17 09:05:01 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:05:01 GMT Subject: Chronicles White Book CDI disc In-Reply-To: Karen Kusic's message of Wed, 17 Nov 1999 06:33:56 -0600 Message-ID: Karen Kusic writes: > > Does anyone know what software will play this on a 'puter or know web > > sites such software can be downloaded? > > > > It says it's CDI White Book Mpeg compatible. > Try the Windows Media Player: > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/mediaplayer/en/download/allplayers.asp > > I have this disc too and that software has worked. :-) OK I've installed the mediaplayer software and inserted the CDI. Now how do I get it to play? None of the files seem acceptable to mediaplayer... FoFP From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Wed Nov 17 09:07:24 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:07:24 -0500 Subject: BOC: Live at the Middle East - 11/10/99 Message-ID: > ya know, > i saw boc earlier in the year at the middle east in boston; i didn't > go to > this recent show because i had just seen 'em, and at the very same > venue. now > i see the set list from the other night and I WAS ROBBED!! > > songs not played at the middle east last time: > > dominance and submission > harvester of eyes > joan crawford > lips in the hills > then came the last days of may > before the kiss, a redcap > golden age of leather Nope - GAOL was not done > > what's up with that? 5 of my all-time-fave boc songs are on that list. > also: > there were no songs played in their stead! take the set list from the > other > nigth and subtract the above list and that's the set i saw. Not quite true - here's the setlist from that earlier Middle East gig, which I was also at: Burnin' For You Cities on Flame ETI Harvest Moon Buck's Boogie Take Me Away Flaming Telepaths See You in Black Astronomy ME-262 Godzilla Reaper Encore: The Red and the Black So, at the previous show, we got Flaming Telepaths, See You in Black, Astronomy, and ME-262 instead of the songs you mentioned. It WAS a shorter setlist than the recent show. I don't know all the reasons for this - whether Bolle in the audience made a difference, or whether the fact that there was only 1 opening band instead of 2 (getting BOC onstage by around 10:15 instead of close to midnight), or whether the band is just playing a bit more (a lot of fans will tell you that they are playing better than ever these days). > All that being said, I wasn't too pleased seeing him on stage with > BOC! It's apples and oranges, and I don't particularly dig seeing > BOC play covers like 'Slow Down' nor do I like seeing a blues-tyoe > guy jamming with BOC. Just doesn't jibe with my twisted sense of > aesthetics... Ah, lighten up Theo! ;-) Seriously though, I think BOC uses "Slow Down" to be able to break out of their "traditional" role a bit, which is cool - remember that BOC (as the SFG and earlier) was a huge cover band. Albert has listed some of the songs that they used to cover in the early days. Also, I've seen the band jam with various local musicians on this tune, which is cool - Savatage guitarist Al Pitrelli (2 years before temporarily joining the band in Allen's absense) did it at a gig in Florida, and the guitarist from Anthrax did it last year in New Jersey. Besides, as a major fan of the blues, I don't mind seeing BOC jamming with a blues guy - hell, I wouldn't mind seeing BOC whip out an old B.B. King or Muddy Waters tune just for kicks... John From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Wed Nov 17 09:12:27 1999 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:12:27 +0100 Subject: Chronicles White Book CDI disc In-Reply-To: <199911171405.OAA20005@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > > > Does anyone know what software will play this on a 'puter or know web > > > sites such software can be downloaded? > > > > > > It says it's CDI White Book Mpeg compatible. > > > Try the Windows Media Player: > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/mediaplayer/en/download/allplayers.asp > > > > I have this disc too and that software has worked. :-) > >OK I've installed the mediaplayer software and inserted the CDI. Now how >do I get it to play? None of the files seem acceptable to mediaplayer... > >FoFP did the same. according to my information the video files are located in "mpegav". but these files have the extension: .dat and my mediaplayer can't read any .dat files so what did you do or changed to play them. i have the latest microsoft mediaplayer 6.4 installed. regards andre From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Wed Nov 17 09:24:29 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:24:29 -0500 Subject: Off Zork Message-ID: > Completely off the subject however, does anyone have the game Zork? > If so when you get to the old sailor with the painting, what do you > do? I have been on the foggy marsh, in the cellar of the pub and on > the wharf, but I don't seem to be getting any further, can anyone give > me a few pointers? I used to LOVE this game - my .sig file once read: >Kill troll with sword You don't have that! Anyway, as to your question, I am not sure of the answer - if I remember correctly, the problem you mention is from "Beyond Zork", not the original Zork. I used to have a hint book for that game, but it may now be lost in the GUI (Great Underground Empire). I did, however, find a website that will give you a walkthrough - of course, this might spoil your enjoyment of the game: http://www.cheatersguild.com/bezork.htm If you just want a hint - if you played the first zork, you may know of some significance to saying a certain greeting - think how you might address this person with his painting... John From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Nov 17 09:29:15 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy.Gilham) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:29:15 -0000 Subject: Other: Moorcock: The Bellyflops! (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: As for songs inspired by MM, how about Diamond Head's "Living on Borrowed Time", which has a lyric something like "slave to this black blade" and stuff about killing my friends... must give it a spin... they were dead keen on Rodney Matthews covers too... Then of course there's the wonderful Mournblade (but they nicked the name and little else.) And exahustive list of metal with Moorcock references/quotes/outright steals would probably be enormous! -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of M S Wright > Sent: 17 November 1999 13:58 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: Other: Moorcock: The Bellyflops! (fwd) > > > Max, > > had a look around > > > http://moorcock.cjb.net/ > > and found it very good, informative and interesting, and well presented. > Thanks for making the effort, and keep up the good work. > > I know that there are some pages that are at an early stage, but I thought > I'd mention a couple of things that you probably know, but might not. > > In the influenced music section I think Cirith Ungol might make an > appearance. their covers were Elric paintings, and they give thanks to MM > for inspiration. However I cannot remember if any of their music is MM > inspired. > > From the links page I couldn't get through to Moorcock tavern > http://www.cybernet2000.co.uk/moorcock/index.htm > it looks fairly dead. > > Cheers for the good stuff. > > Mike w > From richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK Wed Nov 17 10:19:36 1999 From: richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK (Cutting, Richard) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:19:36 -0000 Subject: HW: The tour I survived === Message-ID: Hi everyone, I enjoyed the Croydon gig, although I feel that the Fairfield Halls as a venue has absolutely zero atmosphere and although it's great for me location wise as I only live 15 minutes away would prefer if they had played Brixton or somewhere like that. One of the announcements made at the Croydon gig ( and was probably made at the others ? ) was that there is going to be a Brixton gig in March with 'everyone'. When will this be made official ???? What was Ron's 'heroin announcement' all about ? I haven't seen anything negative in the press, but then again I don't tend to monitor it too closely. All for now. Richard. > ---------- > From: Jill[SMTP:jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: 17 November 1999 00:02 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: HW: The tour I survived > > Hi Nick > > Nick Lee wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > still reeling after a slightly woolly day back at work (thankfully only > a > > course rather than real work this week!). It seemed prudent to take > most of > > last week off, and polite since I had quite a house-full staying over > for > > the Stables gig on Wednesday. > > I know the feeling! Struggled through today especially since my train > home on Monday was delayed and with it any hopes of catching up on lost > sleep 8-( > > > The (main) setlist (which has been listed already by a couple of folk) > was > > pretty much the same each night I attended (all except Cornwall, there's > > dedication and there's dedication...) except that Aniseed was dropped at > > Croydon and High Rise was replaced with Green Finned Demon at the same. > > The Croyon set was essentially the same as St Austell although Simon > House wasn't at Cornwall. The Croydon show had some intermittently > wonderful moments and people all around me thought it was a brilliant > gig but there were times when I felt the on stage dancing was getting > too much. Personally I preferred St. Austell although the vocals sound > was dreadful and the crowd was smaller but the set was much more > coherent and Nik's flute (which he seemed to play more than his sax) was > just exquisite. A perfect counterpoint to the music especially during > the long jam after Golden Void and during Green Finned Demon. Have to > say this latter track started dreadfully slowly - especially after the > preceding Hippy and threatened to break the mood but Dave has a good > voice which came over really well despite the poor sound quality and > with Dave on guitar and Nik on flute (at least I'm sure it was this > track where that combination happened!) they brought an elegance and > melody that really made it come to life. That was followed by a > really tight Blue Skin and an excellent Brainstorm. The crowd at > Cornwall was disappointingly small - though considering the remoteness > of the venue (right down on the beach in an otherwise deserted bay > surrounded on all sides by steep high sided cliffs, picturesque but > remote) and with apparently no advertising at all it's amazing how many > people did turn up!! > > It was a nightmare journey down but thankfully Hawkwind put on a > fantastic show which really made the journey worthwhile and I now have a > genuine claim to fame - I stayed in the same hotel as Dave Brock! > Sitting by the hotel entrance reading a newspaper waiting for a taxi > back to St Austell and suddenly Dave Brock strides (and I do mean > strides!) through the front door heading off for a walk along the > cliffs. Wonderful moment! > > Wierd hotel though - the room had a TV that talked to you. I arrived in > my room, started to unpack and was suddenly aware of strange blue glow > behind me that hadn't been there when I first walked in. I turned round > very carefully and found my TV had turned itself on and with a lurid > blue notice was bidding me welcome and hoping that I had a pleasant > stay. I dunno - I never felt quite safe with it after that! > > However - definitely worth doing and I'm glad I did. > > jill > > -- > ====================================================================== > Jill Strobridge or > J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk > ====================================================================== > ********************************************************************** LEGAL DISCLAIMER ********************************************************************** The contents of this email and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Synopsys hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this email and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the Technology Department at Synopsys Ltd. on +44 171 250 1990. ********************************************************************** From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 17 11:15:20 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:15:20 GMT Subject: HW: The tour I survived === In-Reply-To: Cutting, Richard's message of Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:19:36 -0000 Message-ID: Cutting, Richard writes: > One of the announcements made at the Croydon gig ( and was probably > made at the others ? ) was that there is going to be a Brixton gig in > March with 'everyone'. When will this be made official ???? I don't doubt that the arrangements and advertising will be expedited with the usual efficiency. > What was Ron's 'heroin announcement' all about ? I haven't seen > anything negative in the press I wondered that. It's the sort of statement someone would make when they knew they'd said the wrong thing to a journalist and that the journalist was going to make trouble of it. Are They Losing Their Spin Control? FoFP From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Nov 17 13:52:23 1999 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (IAN ABRAHAMS) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:52:23 -0000 Subject: HW: The tour I survived Message-ID: Great review of the St. Austell gig Jill. Differed a little from my view of the concert and I didn't think the size of the crowd too bad. But we both enjoyed it anyway! Had hoped to say hello to you but I guess we didn't spot each other! Mind you, you said you would look like my Granny. She's 92 so that wasn't very likely! Glad you enjoyed St. Austell. Ian ian at abrahamsi.freeserve.co.uk Jill wrote: > > still reeling after a slightly woolly day back at work (thankfully only a > > course rather than real work this week!). It seemed prudent to take most of > > last week off, and polite since I had quite a house-full staying over for > > the Stables gig on Wednesday. > > I know the feeling! Struggled through today especially since my train > home on Monday was delayed and with it any hopes of catching up on lost > sleep 8-( > > > The (main) setlist (which has been listed already by a couple of folk) was > > pretty much the same each night I attended (all except Cornwall, there's > > dedication and there's dedication...) except that Aniseed was dropped at > > Croydon and High Rise was replaced with Green Finned Demon at the same. > > The Croyon set was essentially the same as St Austell although Simon > House wasn't at Cornwall. The Croydon show had some intermittently > wonderful moments and people all around me thought it was a brilliant > gig but there were times when I felt the on stage dancing was getting > too much. Personally I preferred St. Austell although the vocals sound > was dreadful and the crowd was smaller but the set was much more > coherent and Nik's flute (which he seemed to play more than his sax) was > just exquisite. A perfect counterpoint to the music especially during > the long jam after Golden Void and during Green Finned Demon. Have to > say this latter track started dreadfully slowly - especially after the > preceding Hippy and threatened to break the mood but Dave has a good > voice which came over really well despite the poor sound quality and > with Dave on guitar and Nik on flute (at least I'm sure it was this > track where that combination happened!) they brought an elegance and > melody that really made it come to life. That was followed by a > really tight Blue Skin and an excellent Brainstorm. The crowd at > Cornwall was disappointingly small - though considering the remoteness > of the venue (right down on the beach in an otherwise deserted bay > surrounded on all sides by steep high sided cliffs, picturesque but > remote) and with apparently no advertising at all it's amazing how many > people did turn up!! > > It was a nightmare journey down but thankfully Hawkwind put on a > fantastic show which really made the journey worthwhile and I now have a > genuine claim to fame - I stayed in the same hotel as Dave Brock! > Sitting by the hotel entrance reading a newspaper waiting for a taxi > back to St Austell and suddenly Dave Brock strides (and I do mean > strides!) through the front door heading off for a walk along the > cliffs. Wonderful moment! > > Wierd hotel though - the room had a TV that talked to you. I arrived in > my room, started to unpack and was suddenly aware of strange blue glow > behind me that hadn't been there when I first walked in. I turned round > very carefully and found my TV had turned itself on and with a lurid > blue notice was bidding me welcome and hoping that I had a pleasant > stay. I dunno - I never felt quite safe with it after that! > > However - definitely worth doing and I'm glad I did. > > jill > > -- > ====================================================================== > Jill Strobridge or > J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk > ====================================================================== > From sprawl at STARPOWER.NET Wed Nov 17 13:53:46 1999 From: sprawl at STARPOWER.NET (Sprawl) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:53:46 -0500 Subject: Other: Moorcock: The Bellyflops! (fwd) Message-ID: Ungol... ewwww. I had the cd with Stormbringer on the cover. Unremarkable scream-metal. the back had the 8 pointed chaos arrows. I doubt any of these guys can read, so I would guess that the MM influence is that they saw the covers, and it gave them scary dreams. Ya can't follow the words, but they hint at death and hatred. I think they were less inspired by MM's writing than by the will to capitalize on those writings. Rj -----Original Message----- From: M S Wright To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 9:06 AM Subject: Re: Other: Moorcock: The Bellyflops! (fwd) >Max, > >had a look around > >> http://moorcock.cjb.net/ > >and found it very good, informative and interesting, and well presented. >Thanks for making the effort, and keep up the good work. > >I know that there are some pages that are at an early stage, but I thought >I'd mention a couple of things that you probably know, but might not. > >In the influenced music section I think Cirith Ungol might make an >appearance. their covers were Elric paintings, and they give thanks to MM >for inspiration. However I cannot remember if any of their music is MM >inspired. > >>From the links page I couldn't get through to Moorcock tavern >http://www.cybernet2000.co.uk/moorcock/index.htm >it looks fairly dead. > >Cheers for the good stuff. > >Mike w > From sprawl at STARPOWER.NET Wed Nov 17 14:09:33 1999 From: sprawl at STARPOWER.NET (Sprawl) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:09:33 -0500 Subject: Chronicles White Book CDI disc Message-ID: I use the software that came with my video card, but upon a time, I ran this with windows mp, and that was about 3 years ago. It is one of the dat files that you open, and in the older version, it worked about 33% of the time. This CD is not written correctly. I just tried it, and cannot get it to work in winMedia. But it opens in VideoCDplayer for ATI mm. I wish I could be more help. RonJ -----Original Message----- From: M Holmes To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 9:12 AM Subject: Re: Chronicles White Book CDI disc >Karen Kusic writes: > >> > Does anyone know what software will play this on a 'puter or know web >> > sites such software can be downloaded? >> > >> > It says it's CDI White Book Mpeg compatible. > >> Try the Windows Media Player: >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/mediaplayer/en/download/allplayers.asp >> >> I have this disc too and that software has worked. :-) > >OK I've installed the mediaplayer software and inserted the CDI. Now how >do I get it to play? None of the files seem acceptable to mediaplayer... > >FoFP From timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Nov 17 13:52:03 1999 From: timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Tim Stephenson) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:52:03 -0000 Subject: HW: Epoch Eclipse Review. Message-ID: Wotcha cocks newbie here (Hi Keith) I figured Epocheclipse was yet another poxy compilation. So why should anyone with a half decent Hawks collection want to get it? tata Tim From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Nov 17 14:37:26 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy.Gilham) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:37:26 -0000 Subject: HW: Epoch Eclipse Review. In-Reply-To: <006501bf3130$4853b5a0$565d883e@timsteph> Message-ID: > newbie here (Hi Keith) > I figured Epocheclipse was yet another poxy compilation. So why should > anyone with a half decent Hawks collection want to get it? > > tata > Tim Well, it is *just* a compilation - the only new tracks are the two versions of the Silver Machine remix - but I wouldn't call it a poxy one, quite a good one in fact! Some tracks are currently unavailable (or at least hard to find) on CD, such as the three tracks from Warrior and those from the Charisma LPs, and they all sound bloody good too. Question marks over the mastering on the earlier CD versions, to put it mildly. It's also official, i.e. the royalties will stand a chance of getting back to the right people, which isn't the case with a lot of the crap on the shelves. To be honest, though, it's not really designed for fans who've got most of the stuff, it's for people who are either new to Hawkwind, or for old fans who used to like Hawkwind in the 70s and lost track of them after that. (And there's an awful lot of them about, too.) (Full details of tracks and package can be found on www.hawkwind.com, of course.) -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Nov 17 16:08:30 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:08:30 -0800 Subject: HW: Epoch Eclipse Review. Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:52:03 -0000, Tim Stephenson wrote: >I figured Epocheclipse was yet another poxy compilation. So why should >anyone with a half decent Hawks collection want to get it? Because it's not the same old Anthology/Acid Daze or Dave Anderson tapes (Text of Festival, Yuri Gagarin) repacked under a different name for the seventeen-thousandth time? It's about time someone (and it would've had to be EMI) put out a decent career retrospective of *actual* album/singles tracks from (gasp!) ALL the different labels from UA to EBS. And the selection on this one looks even better than the (now-out-of-print anyway) Griffin '25 Years' box. -Doug (who hasn't bought it, but probably will, since his better-than-half-decent Hawks CD collection doesn't contain *all* the tracks on EE...) ceres at sirius.com From joe.e at TELIA.COM Wed Nov 17 15:13:08 1999 From: joe.e at TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:13:08 +0100 Subject: Other: Moorcock: The Bellyflops! (fwd) Message-ID: At 14:29 1999-11-17 -0000, you wrote: >As for songs inspired by MM, how about Diamond Head's "Living on Borrowed >Time", which has a lyric something like "slave to this black blade" and >stuff about killing my friends... must give it a spin... they were dead >keen on Rodney Matthews covers too... "I have loved, I have lost I have killed those who have loved me so I have loved, at what cost I'm living on borrowed time..." it's Elric standing on the RM cover, holding his black blade upright. his white hair is flowing in the wind. the connection is so obvious, the vinyl is resisting in my "Friends and Relation" bin. >Then of course there's the wonderful Mournblade (but they nicked the name >and little else.) wonderful? the best I can say about it, is that's on Flicknife Records, and next to my "Nantucket Fucking Sleighride" collection. Do you remember Tygers of Pan Tang? I don't. >-- Andy .joe From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Nov 17 15:35:23 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy.Gilham) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:35:23 -0000 Subject: Other: Moorcock: The Bellyflops! (fwd) In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19991117211012.10f70d2e@m1.171.telia.com> Message-ID: > >Then of course there's the wonderful Mournblade (but they nicked the name > >and little else.) > > wonderful? Irony. Forgot the ":)". Still, "Sidewinder" was a laugh! > the best I can say about it, is that's on Flicknife Records, and > next to my > "Nantucket Fucking Sleighride" collection. > > > Do you remember Tygers of Pan Tang? The NWONEBHM... > I don't. > -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Wed Nov 17 16:05:07 1999 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:05:07 -0000 Subject: Other: Moorcock: The Bellyflops! (fwd) Message-ID: >> >Then of course there's the wonderful Mournblade (but they nicked the name >> >and little else.) >> >> wonderful? > >Irony. Forgot the ":)". Still, "Sidewinder" was a laugh! > I went to see Mournblade some 10-12 years ago at the local college back home, purely 'cos of the name. The most memorable thing was the bassist's 8-string Rickenbacker and the singer's scary mic stand which was covered in skulls and bones. So scary in fact that it had to be covered up until they came on, when he unvieled it with a flourish. I don't think he appreciated the laughter too much and later remarked that he didn't come round to our places of work and just stare at us. I went to the the bar... Nick From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Nov 17 16:13:03 1999 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:13:03 PST Subject: OFF: a meaningless post Message-ID: Once upon a time, Theo said........ ---Yeah, I'll bite.? Torgo Sedler was there too.? Smokin' Joe is an amazing player, and I'm mystified that he isn't a bigger star, esp.--- Thanks for pointing that out Theo, you saved me having to send an e-mail and................... DOH! and then Brian said............ -----And through this list Torgo pointed me towards an amazing Mexican restaurant right across the street from the venue. One of many reasons BOC-L is my favorite list. Music knowledge + culinary advice is a potent combination.---- Ah yes, Casa too Mucha. Easily one of the best places to consume mass quantities in the greater Utica area (the other would be Symeon's Greek restaurant). See, that WAS a meaningless post!! And no, I don't really give a wet slap if people respond to it or ignore it. ;^) Back to the Lurkin' Cave (and there was much rejoicing "yeah"). Torgo Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos *********************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Wed Nov 17 18:25:14 1999 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 00:25:14 +0100 Subject: Chronicles White Book CDI disc In-Reply-To: <002501bf312f$4ae4dd40$1531accf@sprawl> Message-ID: > >> > Does anyone know what software will play this on a 'puter or know web > >> > sites such software can be downloaded? > >> > > >> > It says it's CDI White Book Mpeg compatible. > > > >> Try the Windows Media Player: > >> > >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/mediaplayer/en/download/allplayers.asp > >> > >> I have this disc too and that software has worked. :-) > > > >OK I've installed the mediaplayer software and inserted the CDI. Now how > >do I get it to play? None of the files seem acceptable to mediaplayer... > > > >FoFP by the way i just found out that xingMPEG player can play it fullscreen. andre From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Wed Nov 17 18:52:17 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:52:17 +0900 Subject: Other: Moorcock: The Bellyflops! (fwd) Message-ID: Seconded, Max. I never got around to saying "Nice Site". I've spent quite a while looking round and you've added a few items to my want list. Thanks! Dave M S Wright wrote: > Max, > > had a look around > > > http://moorcock.cjb.net/ > > and found it very good, informative and interesting, and well presented. > Thanks for making the effort, and keep up the good work. > > I know that there are some pages that are at an early stage, but I thought > I'd mention a couple of things that you probably know, but might not. > > In the influenced music section I think Cirith Ungol might make an > appearance. their covers were Elric paintings, and they give thanks to MM > for inspiration. However I cannot remember if any of their music is MM > inspired. > > >From the links page I couldn't get through to Moorcock tavern > http://www.cybernet2000.co.uk/moorcock/index.htm > it looks fairly dead. > > Cheers for the good stuff. > > Mike w From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Wed Nov 17 19:36:29 1999 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:36:29 +1000 Subject: Other: Moorcock: The Bellyflops! (fwd) In-Reply-To: <38333FB0.3A45EDA3@virgin.net> Message-ID: Hi all, Thanks everyone for the great comments about my site - now that I've got my new computer up an running (no more Photoshop on a 486!) I should be doing a largeish update in the near future. I do have two tracks by Cirith Ungol, but I've never had any more details about them - be it pictures of the album cover, or bibliographical details. In fact, I've heard in passing of a few MM influenced bands, but have never had enough details concerning them to warrant putting anything on the site. If people can provide, or point me to where I can find any information about any of these bands, then I'd be certain to include it on the site... That being said, do people mind if I include a few quotes from this thread on the bands influenced by MM page on the Cafe? Lastly, there was an album called Stormbringer which predates the Deep Purple one, done in, I think the early 60s by a folk artist whose name currently eludes me... As far as the Deep Purple one goes, apparently they thought the name Stormbringer was "from mythology". Well... Max Wilcox From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 17 19:37:39 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 00:37:39 +0000 Subject: Other: Moorcock: The Bellyflops! (fwd) In-Reply-To: <001001bf313f$6f14d480$823aa8c2@xpnwjjkf> Message-ID: In message <001001bf313f$6f14d480$823aa8c2 at xpnwjjkf>, Nick Lee writes >I went to see Mournblade some 10-12 years ago at the local college back >home, purely 'cos of the name. The most memorable thing was the bassist's >8-string Rickenbacker and the singer's scary mic stand which was covered in >skulls and bones. So scary in fact that it had to be covered up until they >came on, when he unvieled it with a flourish. I don't think he appreciated >the laughter too much and later remarked that he didn't come round to our >places of work and just stare at us. I went to the the bar... > >Nick That would have been Duncan Mullet. Bless the blade! Saw 'em half a dozen times, enjoyed them a lot, with my tongue slightly in cheek. I've still got a spare copy of their 6 track mini album, if anyone bungs me a fiver, post included. Includes Sidewinder! ...I aint your titanium hero ...IIIIII ain't go-oh-ing back to zero..etc. -- Jon From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Wed Nov 17 19:45:20 1999 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:45:20 +1000 Subject: Other: Moorcock: The Bellyflops! (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Jon > Sent: Thursday, 18 November 1999 10:38 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: Other: Moorcock: The Bellyflops! (fwd) SNIP > I've still got a spare copy of their 6 track mini album, if anyone bungs > me a fiver, post included. Includes Sidewinder! I'd be keen to get a copy, but I still owe several people on the list for sending me Calvert albums (which I'll deal with before Christmas to both of you - I promise... grovel grovel...) so don't want to do any buying at the moment. Particularly after spending a grand on the new computer... If all the copies you have don't disappear soon, certainly keep me on the "wants one list" if at all possible... Max Wilcox From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Wed Nov 17 19:51:15 1999 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:51:15 +1000 Subject: Other: Moorcock in Tory Newspaper shock! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: For those in the UK, Mike'll be having some books reviews in The Spectator. I don't know the exact date that they'll start to be printed, but I know the first review will be of a new book about George Meredith (a highly underrated 19th C author). Just hope they (at the Spectator) don't find the letter in Interzone in which Mike rubbishes them... Max Wilcox From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Nov 17 20:15:14 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 01:15:14 +0000 Subject: HW: Epoch Eclipse Review. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 19:37 17.11.1999 -0000, you wrote: >> newbie here (Hi Keith) >> I figured Epocheclipse was yet another poxy compilation. So why should >> anyone with a half decent Hawks collection want to get it? >> >> tata >> Tim >--snip--< >To be honest, though, it's not really designed for fans who've got most of >the stuff, it's for people who are either new to Hawkwind, or for old fans >who used to like Hawkwind in the 70s and lost track of them after that. >(And there's an awful lot of them about, too.) Like me...although I'm catching up (and good fun it is too!), I'll be putting this on my xmas list to fill in some gaps...I was lucky enough to find a copy of the Griffin "Warrior..." with the kollectors guide not TOO long ago, but no Charisma era stuff though... ChrisW > >(Full details of tracks and package can be found on www.hawkwind.com, of >course.) > >-- Andy > >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > > > "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Nov 17 20:17:11 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 01:17:11 +0000 Subject: Other: Moorcock: The Bellyflops! (fwd) In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19991117211012.10f70d2e@m1.171.telia.com> Message-ID: At 21:13 17.11.1999 +0100, joe wrote: > > >Do you remember Tygers of Pan Tang? >I don't. Unfortunately, I do Chris"Elephant's Memory"W "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Nov 17 20:20:09 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 01:20:09 +0000 Subject: Chronicles White Book CDI disc In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991118002359.00958540@pop.casema.net> Message-ID: At 00:25 18.11.1999 +0100, you wrote: >> >> > Does anyone know what software will play this on a 'puter or know web >> >> > sites such software can be downloaded? >> >> > >> >> > It says it's CDI White Book Mpeg compatible. >> > >> >> Try the Windows Media Player: >> >> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/mediaplayer/en/download/allplayers.asp >> >> >> >> I have this disc too and that software has worked. :-) >> > >> >OK I've installed the mediaplayer software and inserted the CDI. Now how >> >do I get it to play? None of the files seem acceptable to mediaplayer... >> > >> >FoFP > >by the way i just found out that xingMPEG player can play it fullscreen. > >andre I don't know about this particular problem, but I do know the Xing player, and I'm v.pleased with it..esp. cause it's a FREE download!!! ChrisW (Still trying to get his mp3 encoder to work! grrr!) "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Nov 17 20:23:47 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 01:23:47 +0000 Subject: Other: Moorcock: The Bellyflops! (fwd) In-Reply-To: <000001bf315c$f4148140$410764cb@mir> Message-ID: At 10:36 18.11.1999 +1000, Max Wilcox wrote: > Lastly, there was an album called Stormbringer which predates the Deep >Purple one, done in, I think the early 60s by a folk artist whose name >currently eludes me... It was by John Martyn, with his (then) wife Beverly...on Island Records, dates from about 1970-71 ChrisW - Whose skin is now turning grey & leathery (and what the hell's that in the middle of my face...cool, now I don't have to take my hands off the keyboard to use my mouse *G*) "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Wed Nov 17 20:49:38 1999 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:49:38 EST Subject: tygers mention Message-ID: yeah, i remember the tygers of pan tang; their debut was great. probably one of the 5 best nwobhm lp's. why the mention? a moorcock connection? can't be.... rmayo From bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET Wed Nov 17 21:08:13 1999 From: bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:08:13 -0500 Subject: HW: Epoch Eclipse Review. In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991118011514.0083dc40@mail.clara.net> Message-ID: Andy wrote: >>To be honest, though, it's not really designed for fans who've got most of >>the stuff, it's for people who are either new to Hawkwind, or for old fans >>who used to like Hawkwind in the 70s and lost track of them after that. >>(And there's an awful lot of them about, too.) ChrisW then replied: >Like me...although I'm catching up (and good fun it is too!), I'll be >putting this on my xmas list to fill in some gaps...I was lucky enough to >find a copy of the Griffin "Warrior..." with the kollectors guide not TOO >long ago, but no Charisma era stuff though... I went 11 HW albums before I had ever heard Silver Machine, believe it or not. Well, I heard the Live Seventy-Nine version but not the original. So the Epoch-Eclipse 3CD set was a great investment for me. The sound quality and packaging are amazing. And it's made me realize just how important Calvert was to the band. Besides Silver Machine, I had also never heard Kerb Crawler or Steppenwolf, or Calvert's version of Death Trap, or Uncle Sam's On Mars, or..... I guess 11 albums really isn't all that much when you're talking HW. Thank goodness for Epoch-Eclipse! Brian From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Nov 17 21:32:32 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:32:32 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Set-list 11/13/99 Message-ID: In a message dated 11/16/99 4:14:39 AM Pacific Standard Time, DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: << << 17.Frank Zappa/Mothers--My Guitar Wants to Kill Your Mama (Weasels Ripped My Flesh) >> ============ stranger than fiction: this was the first zappa song i ever heard, and i heard it on the 'rate a record' portion of AMERICAN BANDSTAND. it bombed, wicked. BWAAAAH-HA-HA !!! >> ---Interesting. My first was "San Ber'dino". When I was a kid (not that long ago) one of my sister's boyfriendsleft behind a copy of On Size Fits All at our house. I became captivated w/Berdino because I live right next to it in Redlands (which is mentioned in the fade-out choruses--"ain't talkin' 'bout the Redlands, no no...") To have my little home town mentioned in a song was really novel...not to mention the unholy Fontana. Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Nov 17 21:36:01 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:36:01 EST Subject: OFF: Apology Message-ID: Sorry, this was meant to go to Larry by private e-mail. But then maybe I should have left it alone, since this apology is yet another bullshit e-mail... Unless there is anyone else out there who can relate about "San Berdu", which I doubt (which has, btw, the highest murder rate per capita supposedly). Chuck -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Chuckrecs at aol.com Subject: Re: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Set-list 11/13/99 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:32:32 EST Size: 1222 URL: From sprawl at STARPOWER.NET Thu Nov 18 03:21:32 1999 From: sprawl at STARPOWER.NET (Sprawl) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 03:21:32 -0500 Subject: tygers mention Message-ID: Theleb K'arna was of the Isle of Pan Tang. I think any connection stops there. I only heard one album, can't remember the name. Music wasn't terrible, but it sort of reminded me of something Journey might have done.. I think it was mostly glam-ballads, but it was a long time ago, and I only previewed it before -not- buying it. rj -----Original Message----- From: Robert C. Mayo To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 8:56 PM Subject: Re: tygers mention >yeah, i remember the tygers of pan tang; their debut was great. probably one >of the 5 best nwobhm lp's. >why the mention? a moorcock connection? can't be.... >rmayo From Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG Thu Nov 18 05:23:11 1999 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG (Olivier Boigey) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:23:11 +0200 Subject: HW: Epoch Eclipse Review. In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991117130830.00917440@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: on 17/11/99, Doug wrote: BDL> Because it's not the same old Anthology/Acid Daze For HW newcomers, these comps are not so bad; they have wild live versions (I think of Shouldn't do that for instanceI) which are complementary to the original studio versions. BTW, anyone heard about new releases such as "Glastonbury 90" and a live at 'Salle Pleyel' from 1971 ? Olivier /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Olivier Boigey mailto:olivier_boigey at technolink.org http://www.bwaje.claranet.fr /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Thu Nov 18 04:38:58 1999 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:38:58 +0100 Subject: AW: HW: Epoch Eclipse Review. Message-ID: >BTW, anyone heard about new releases such as "Glastonbury 90" and a live at >'Salle Pleyel' from 1971 ? Glastonbury 90 is officially released on Voiceprint. Salle Pleyel is a boot CD-R from the Paris gig on 23.04.1977 Bernhard From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Nov 18 04:58:37 1999 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 01:58:37 PST Subject: tygers mention Message-ID: Was Jimmy Page not going to call Led Zeppelin "The Tygers of Pan Tang", and wasn't this what got that crew in the 80's/early 90's to call their band the same? Even if this is true, I still can't see any connection..... >Theleb K'arna was of the Isle of Pan Tang. >I think any connection stops there. I only heard one album, >can't remember the name. Music wasn't terrible, but it sort of >reminded me of something Journey might have done.. I think it >was mostly glam-ballads, but it was a long time ago, and I only >previewed it before -not- buying it. > >rj > >-----Original Message----- >From: Robert C. Mayo >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Date: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 8:56 PM >Subject: Re: tygers mention > > > >yeah, i remember the tygers of pan tang; their debut was great. probably >one > >of the 5 best nwobhm lp's. > >why the mention? a moorcock connection? can't be.... > >rmayo ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Thu Nov 18 05:19:28 1999 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas Guy) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:19:28 -0000 Subject: HW: Epoch Eclipse Review. Message-ID: Hi Tim Welcome to BOC-L. I'm not much of a fan of compilations myself - even though I have a lot of the HW compilations already. I probably won't be getting this one, just for one or two new tracks! That said, looking at the track listing, it's not a bad set for anybody who isn't a total Hawk-head and wants a good overview, without having to buy the entire back-catalogue! I do suspect that even EMI are deliberately trying to snare those of us who are total collectaholics, (as do all record companies!!) by the insertion of the previously unheard stuff! (Just as they did on the 25years 4CD box set!) I'm going to resist the temptation this time though! Personally, I don't play commercial compilations any more, but I have made a couple of mini discs of all the rarer material from my existing collection. One the same note I DO play my own compilations, (The beauty of Mini Disc!) As an example - my favourite home produced compilation is more ore less the complete set from the winter 1989 tour, taking the relevant tracks from the Hi-Fi stereo sound track of Live Legends, as well as songs from Palace Springs, and a few other sources. This is probably played more than any of my CDs! Using a domestic mixer, live tracks can me merged together virtually seamlessly! (Mr Brock - if you are reading this - how about releasing one of the Hammersmith 1989 shows in it's entirety - probably the best gigs of the best HW tour ever!!!) 'nuff said for now. Guy Thomas -----Original Message----- From: Tim Stephenson [mailto:timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK] Sent: 17 November 1999 18:52 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW: Epoch Eclipse Review. Wotcha cocks newbie here (Hi Keith) I figured Epocheclipse was yet another poxy compilation. So why should anyone with a half decent Hawks collection want to get it? tata Tim From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Thu Nov 18 05:34:55 1999 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:34:55 +0100 Subject: AW: HW: Epoch Eclipse Review. Message-ID: >(Mr Brock - if you are reading this - how about releasing one of the >Hammersmith 1989 shows in it's entirety - probably the best gigs of the >best HW tour ever!!!) I agree with Guy The Winter 1989 tour was one of the best tours HAWKWIND ever did. My favorite gig is Norwich, 01 December 1989. Its the best! Bernhard From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Nov 18 06:52:49 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 07:52:49 EDT Subject: tygers mention In-Reply-To: <0.ef57b9b2.2564b532@aol.com> Message-ID: > From: "Robert C. Mayo" > yeah, i remember the tygers of pan tang; their debut was great. probably one > of the 5 best nwobhm lp's. > why the mention? a moorcock connection? can't be.... > rmayo Wasn't John Sykes in the Tygers at one time? theo From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Thu Nov 18 08:13:12 1999 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:13:12 EST Subject: tygers mention Message-ID: real quick: tygers etc were one of the first/best nwobhm bands. their debut was a real punk-influenced, street-level workout (sure, with guitar solos); but man, could their singer NOT sing. this actually added to the punter-friendly punk rock vibe. he left after the debut lp and you're right, glam-ballads and cover versions ensued. and john sykes. anyway, the debut is one of the highpoints of that blip on the metal map: the nwobhm. they say they got their name from a squadron of fighter planes in wwii. knowing nothing of moorcock other than the boc trilogy and some of the hw stuff, i can't connect them. rmayo From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 18 09:04:13 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:04:13 GMT Subject: AW: HW: Epoch Eclipse Review. In-Reply-To: Pospiech, Bernhard's message of Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:34:55 +0100 Message-ID: Pospiech, Bernhard writes: > >(Mr Brock - if you are reading this - how about releasing one of > the > >Hammersmith 1989 shows in it's entirety - probably the best gigs > of the > >best HW tour ever!!!) > > > I agree with Guy Yep, I'd go along with that. Get out a double CD compilation of the whole show. FoFP From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu Nov 18 11:27:17 1999 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:27:17 -0500 Subject: tygers mention In-Reply-To: <0.b85fce19.25655568@aol.com>; from RMayo19761@AOL.COM on Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 08:13:12AM -0500 Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 08:13:12AM -0500, Robert C. Mayo wrote: > tygers etc were one of the first/best nwobhm bands. their debut was a real ^^^^^^ Whazzat??? -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / I'm going to change it, but it's going to take some time. - Linus Torvalds, on Windows's market leadership From vincentr at COGNOS.COM Thu Nov 18 11:39:09 1999 From: vincentr at COGNOS.COM (Rob Vincent) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:39:09 -0500 Subject: tygers mention In-Reply-To: <19991118112717.A2274@telepres.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Nov 1999, Eric Siegerman wrote: > On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 08:13:12AM -0500, Robert C. Mayo wrote: > > tygers etc were one of the first/best nwobhm bands. their debut was a real > ^^^^^^ > > Whazzat??? New Wave Of British Heavy Metal. Informatively yours, Rainmaker Elijah Snow : It's a strange world Jakita Wagner : Let's keep it that way Planetary #1 From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Thu Nov 18 12:06:34 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Zeitgeist) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:06:34 +0000 Subject: OFF: Other: Moorcock: The Bellyflops! Message-ID: "Stormbringer" - John & Beverley Martyn (Island 1970) Tracks; Go Out And Get It Can't Get The One I Want Stormbringer Sweet Honesty Woodstock (not that one) John The Baptist The Ocean Traffic-Light Lady Tomorrow Time Would You Believe Me? An absolute classic, which anyone with a pretence of liking 70s singer/songwriters should hear at least once. And for those that care about these things Levon Helm plays drums on a couple of tracks and Mother of Invention Billy Mundi on another. Stuart Blessings and peace from Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground E-zine, freezine and online Record Store at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van Vliet alternate url: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Nov 18 12:47:12 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:47:12 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: one answer is all i need? In-Reply-To: <0.8823e57d.2561adad@aol.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Robert C. Mayo wrote: => one answer is all i need, eh? => larry is a close friend, i could have picked up the phone and asked him, ar => simply e-mailed him as i do regularly. me getting a response from larry is a => given. what i was looking for was a response from 'the list', many and varied => opinions. one answer may be all i need, but it's not what i want, especially => when trying to be part of a discussion group. If you read again what I said, that's the not point I was making. Some questions do not require (or even provoke) "discussion." Despite the smiley in my original message, I stick by the basic point: for some questions, one correct answer is enough. Some people are happy to get even that. Cheers, Paul. NP: The Bevis Frond, _Live at the Great American Music Hall, San Francisco_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Thu Nov 18 12:57:50 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:57:50 +0100 Subject: November 99 tour review (tapes) Message-ID: Hello folks I have promised to do this and now here it comes After listening to 3 tapes I have from the November 1999 tour, here are the exact track listings and timings: 09.11.99, NORWICH, WATERFRONT, 110 min intro / aerospaceage inferno / poem / motorway city / assault & battery / golden void / anna seed / arrival in utopia / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / hippie / high rise / blue skin / instrumental / brainstorm / warriors / right stuff / gremlin / spirit of the age / master of the universe 10.11.99, MILTON KEYNES, WAVENTON STABLES, 115 min aerospaceage inferno / poem / motorway city / assault & battery / golden void / anna seed / arrival in utopia / hassan i sahba / hippie / high rise / blue skin / instrumental / brainstorm / instrumental / green finned demon / right stuff / gremlin / master of the universe / spirit of the age 14.11.99, CROYDON, FAIRFIELD HALLS, 100 min intro / aerospaceage inferno / poem / motorway city / assault & battery / golden void / utopia / arrival in utopia / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / hippie / green finned demon / blue skin / brainstorm / ejection / gremlin / master of the universe Milton Keynes is without doubt the best gig (and I suppose the best gig from this mini tour). Absolute highlights are SPIRIT OF THE AGE and MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE The highlights in Norwich are: HIPPIE and GOLDEN VOID No highlights in Croydon, but it was a very special gig with lots musicians playing on the stage. It was a party like gig without any musically highpoints. Ron Tree seemd to be "Over The Top". Do not know why. cheers Bernhard From lwitt1 at USWEST.NET Thu Nov 18 13:08:50 1999 From: lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:08:50 -0600 Subject: HW November 99 tour review (tapes) Message-ID: > Milton Keynes is without doubt the best gig (and I suppose the best gig > from this mini tour). > Absolute highlights are SPIRIT OF THE AGE and MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE Is it good enough to put on cdr and make a tree for those interested? Anybody interested? From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Nov 18 14:33:06 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:33:06 -0800 Subject: OFF: FWD: Motorhead NG Message-ID: Hi, It's not normal for me to forward auto-sent stuff to boc-l, but this is obviously of interest. I assume that I got put on this mailing list since I've occasionally posted about Motorhead (and Lemmy in Hawkwind) on USENET (fortunately they haven't been sending me stuff about the RFD's for Saxon and the Scorpions!). But some of you may be interested in contributing to the Motorhead RFD ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com [post removed by author's request.] From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Thu Nov 18 13:18:10 1999 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:18:10 -0500 Subject: HW November 99 tour review (tapes) Message-ID: I'm VERY interested!! Sounds like a great gig! I would love to have a copy. Dr. Dan -----Original Message----- From: Dan Witt [SMTP:lwitt1 at USWEST.NET] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 10:09 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW November 99 tour review (tapes) > Milton Keynes is without doubt the best gig (and I suppose the best gig > from this mini tour). > Absolute highlights are SPIRIT OF THE AGE and MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE Is it good enough to put on cdr and make a tree for those interested? Anybody interested? From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Nov 18 14:43:30 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 19:43:30 +0000 Subject: HW: Epoch Eclipse Review. In-Reply-To: <3302031293.195959412@technolink.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Nov 1999, Olivier Boigey wrote: > For HW newcomers, these comps are not so bad; they have wild live versions (I > think of Shouldn't do that for instanceI) which are complementary to the > original studio versions. > BTW, anyone heard about new releases such as "Glastonbury 90" and a live at > 'Salle Pleyel' from 1971 ? Blink? The latter of those is news, I think. As for _Glastonbury 1990_ that was on sale on the tour, and I belive it got reviewed. Also on sale I think were _Complete '79_ and _Live 1982_, but the other Collectors Series releases are I believe not out yet, and that 1971 beasty wasn't listed among them... The missing No. 3 perhaps? Good heavens. Live HW from 1971 on whihc Dave Anderson *hasn't* yet got his hands? Yours, Jon From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Thu Nov 18 16:36:07 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:36:07 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: what a piece of work Piece of Work is Message-ID: Saints be praised, (and Albert catching my ole Potsdam address before mailing.Gracias times 6.02x10^23 :) ) it's in the stereo! I dig this album immensely for the simple reason that it sounds like a group of friends who are playing things they want to play. Biloxi reminds me of an opening benediction in thanks for the feast offered on the two discs and thanks for being able to perform all 88 minutes. It says "Hey there, here's some music. We like it, so you might too." Great vox work from the 5. AS to everything that follows its remarkable in that the guitars are even more integrated than what had earmarked Box of Hammers and the other Pete/Billy performances on albums of yore. Albert's voice plays a neat role on the songs he sings the main lines-- it's like a whisper out of the night that threatens your doorstep - but in a good way ("ON the Road (Again)"). "Rock and Roll is Dead"'s bass (imm assuming thats a bass anyways) strikes me as a peppy version of Bill Wyman's "2120 South Michigan Ave" bass. THe thing is, the song is so different than that old Stone's instrumental that it really doesn't matter. I just dig it completely. I could go on for each and every song in a drooling fanboy frenzy of sheer unadulterated glee about how much I like everything I hear.. But to keep it short, it's new in textures and song stylings and familiar in that you can feel where the players were coming from. As to other comments made before on the list about beefed up bass sound, heck yeah! The funkiness the dead on right fills are NICE. Oh yeah, Albert does a fair job on the drums as well (Yes, that's a bloddy big understatement). This album reminds me of the more emotional moments of "Spectres" (Death Vallye Nights fer example) and "Agents of Fortune" but with a crispness,sincerity and JOY that outshines the past with its own distinctive voice. Unlike most addictions/obsessions, Piece of Work holds forth far more promise of a good buzz from the source. I think for me, it puts another nail in the coffin of BOC (contemporary BOC). Heaven Forbid just didn't have the "ooomph" of hearing the band in the throes of relishing the fun of music that the Brain Surgeons have always exhibited on disc, tape, onstage and off. YAY! Jason From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Nov 18 16:11:47 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:11:47 EST Subject: HW: Anth/Acid Daze Material Message-ID: In a message dated 11/18/99 1:25:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG writes: > BDL> Because it's not the same old Anthology/Acid Daze > > For HW newcomers, these comps are not so bad; they have wild live versions ( > I > think of Shouldn't do that for instanceI) which are complementary to the > original studio versions. The ironic thing for me is that _many_ of these tracks have been among my favorites. Such as "Magnu/Angels" and "Hashcake" (as evident from my play-lists), and many more. Many of these tracks are what initially turned me on to HW. So when I finally got the 2-CD Anthology digi-pack on Castle, I could then shelve my other 5-6 CDs that had become superfluous. This is of course recommended to the new-comer. Chuck From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Thu Nov 18 16:22:34 1999 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:22:34 +0100 Subject: HW November 99 tour review (tapes) In-Reply-To: <4327A1883D21D311AC9400508B0A1B9EE0B7AE@NTGUSLAEXS1> Message-ID: > > Milton Keynes is without doubt the best gig (and I suppose the >best gig > > from this mini tour). > > Absolute highlights are SPIRIT OF THE AGE and MASTER OF THE >UNIVERSE > > > Is it good enough to put on cdr and make a tree for those >interested? > Anybody interested? >I would love to have a copy. andre From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Thu Nov 18 16:43:52 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:43:52 +0100 Subject: HW: Epoch Eclipse Review. In-Reply-To: <4.1.19991117205638.00951c40@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Brian wrote: > I went 11 HW albums before I had ever heard Silver Machine, believe it or > not. Well, I heard the Live Seventy-Nine version but not the original. So > the Epoch-Eclipse 3CD set was a great investment for me. The sound quality > and packaging are amazing. And it's made me realize just how important > Calvert was to the band. Besides Silver Machine, I had also never heard > Kerb Crawler or Steppenwolf, or Calvert's version of Death Trap, or Uncle > Sam's On Mars, or..... > > I guess 11 albums really isn't all that much when you're talking HW. Thank > goodness for Epoch-Eclipse! Well, I got about 125 HW albums and CD's but I sometimes do feel left out. Epoch Eclipse is fantastic, especially because i still was a guy with absolutely no money when the EMI remasters came out. Now i got some of that stuff, but it just makes me want more. --BArt From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Thu Nov 18 16:58:27 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:58:27 +0100 Subject: HW November 99 tour review (tapes) In-Reply-To: <4327A1883D21D311AC9400508B0A1B9EE0B7AE@NTGUSLAEXS1> Message-ID: Me too! --BArt > I'm VERY interested!! Sounds like a great gig! > > I would love to have a copy. > > Dr. Dan "It's in your head" | Bart Brugmans | tel: 026 3514232 | werk: 030 2316833 (ma,di,wo en do) | email: bart at bundersbos.demon.nl From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Nov 18 17:38:16 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:38:16 EST Subject: tygers mention Message-ID: In a message dated 11/18/99 11:27:47 AM, erics at TELEPRES.COM writes: << > tygers etc were one of the first/best [nwobhm] bands. their debut was a real ^^^^^^ Whazzat??? >> =-================= see. bob? i done told ya! ^_~ ====>New Wave Of British Heavy Metal<==== he told me what it meant too; he can tell ya all about what that was. "<>" From timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Nov 18 16:23:23 1999 From: timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Tim Stephenson) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:23:23 -0000 Subject: Other: Moorcock: John Martyn Message-ID: >Stormbringer which predates the Deep>Purple one, It was by John Martyn, with his (then) wife Beverly...on Island Records, dates from about 1970-71 I really dont think that its the same 'Stormbringer'. ie its a coincidence of name. I've got it and the cover features them on a hillside looking a stormy weather. T np - Levitation (no - Levitation the band) (recommended to me by a friend who first bought them because of the name!) From timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Nov 18 16:43:20 1999 From: timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Tim Stephenson) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:43:20 -0000 Subject: HW: Epoch Eclipse Review. Message-ID: >I guess 11 albums really isn't all that much when you're talking HW. Thank goodness for Epoch-Eclipse! Brian Thanks for this post Brian. I have 27 Hawks albums and feel like an idiot newbie watching half these posts. The big gaps in my collection are Astounding Stories and The Business Trip. (I believe) less significant gaps are Hawklords, Zones and Out and Intake. It may be snobbish, but I'd rather hang on til I find these than buy a compilation. Also - thanks to Thomas, for his welcome - appreciated. I do DIY compilations too, mainly for the car, but thats hardly the same thing. Tim From timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Nov 18 16:38:20 1999 From: timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Tim Stephenson) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:38:20 -0000 Subject: HW: Epoch Eclipse Review. Message-ID: >For HW newcomers, these comps are not so bad; they have wild live versions (I think of Shouldn't do that for instanceI) which are complementary to the original studio versions. Whoah!! Disagree. These crappy bootleg-like albums are for diehards only. Newbies out there after early Hawks live staff should look for Space Ritual or 1999 Party a LONG time before touching Yuri Gagarin and its relations. (Tip - still dont get them and dont pay money for them) Tim From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Nov 18 19:38:31 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:38:31 -0800 Subject: HW: Epoch Eclipse Review. Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:38:20 -0000, Tim Stephenson wrote: >Olivier Boigey wrote: >>on 17/11/99, Doug wrote: >> >>> Because it's not the same old Anthology/Acid Daze >> >>For HW newcomers, these comps are not so bad; they have wild live versions >>(I think of Shouldn't do that for instance) which are complementary to the >>original studio versions. > >Whoah!! Disagree. These crappy bootleg-like albums are for diehards only. >Newbies out there after early Hawks live staff should look for Space Ritual >or 1999 Party a LONG time before touching Yuri Gagarin and its relations. >(Tip - still dont get them and dont pay money for them) Despite my negative mention of Anthology/Acid Daze above, I agree with Oliver (and Chuck) that there's some good stuff on that compilation, like the Watchfield Festival jam. I only mentioned them in a negative light because of the sheer number of times these have been released under so many different titles; it's gotta be annoying as hell for the band, since every time there's a "real" new release (DH & IYA being the two most recent), there's four releases of the same-old-sh*t, confusing the hell out of everyone except those hardkore fans who can recognize the cash-ins for what they are. I'll even go out on a limb and add that even though 'Yuri Gagarin' is highly-unrecommended (as much for the uncharacteristically weak performance as for the unlistenable sound quality), 'Space Ritual 2' (for the extended "Brainstorm" and "Time We Left") and 'Text of Festival' (especially for the "sound...Shouldn't...improvise...compromise...reprise" jam) are among my favorite Hawkwind recordings. I might even prefer them to 'the 1999 Party' (if only because that one has such a weird remix). I just don't need 8 copies of each ;^). Speaking of unrecommended recordings, I recently picked up one of those budget Cleopatra 4-CD boxes (a good deal, if you don't already have any of the CD's). This one is *mostly* great, with a Spiral Realms CD (I worship Simon House), Calvert's 'Freq' (with bonus tracks that I didn't have! yeah!), and the 'Psychedelic Warlords' comp (with a couple tracks I didn't already have on CD). But it also includes the Nik Turner 'Sphynx' remake (the Cleopatra one, not the original one on Charisma with Steve Hillage, etc., which I love). Man! Is that one a stinker. I love Nik, I love Helios Creed & Chrome, I really like the Pressurehed/Farflung crew, but I just can't enjoy this CD. At least the follow-up, 'Prophets of Time', is a *huge* improvement (and the two subsequent live sets are great). -Doug ceres at sirius.com ObFaveNewCD: Debris' 'Static Disposal' reissue (the LP goes for $150+ these days) w/tons of bonus tracks - incredible mid-70s band from Oklahoma who were heavily-influenced by the Velvet Underground and Eno-era Roxy Music and fit in well as contemporaries of Pere Ubu and MX-80 sound. Highly recommended ... From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Nov 18 18:44:10 1999 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:44:10 +0000 Subject: HW: The tour I survived Message-ID: Hi Ian Sorry I didn't get a chance to talk to you. I actually arrived late 'cos I hadn't been able to find anywhere that sold non-posh food and by the time I'd got down to the venue, bought some beer and got myself organised Hawkwind were onstage. And I guess I have to confess that I'm sorta shy about bouncing up to some nice young lad in the midst of a crowd of rock fans saying "hi - I'm that wierd elderly lady that emails to the Hawkwind list are you the person called Ian" just in case you really, really didn't want me to do that!! Great gig though - I keep getting musical flashbacks from it! One thing I did like were the projected space images. It would be nice to have a set like that. jill ================================== IAN ABRAHAMS wrote: > > Great review of the St. Austell gig Jill. Differed a little from my view of > the concert and I didn't think the size of the crowd too bad. But we both > enjoyed it anyway! Had hoped to say hello to you but I guess we didn't spot > each other! > > Mind you, you said you would look like my Granny. She's 92 so that wasn't > very likely! > > Glad you enjoyed St. Austell. > > Ian > ian at abrahamsi.freeserve.co.uk -- ====================================================================== Jill Strobridge or J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk ====================================================================== From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Nov 18 18:22:22 1999 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:22:22 +0000 Subject: HW: The tour I survived Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > > Jill writes: > > > Wierd hotel though - the room had a TV that talked to you. I arrived in > > my room, started to unpack and was suddenly aware of strange blue glow > > behind me that hadn't been there when I first walked in. I turned round > > very carefully and found my TV had turned itself on and with a lurid > > blue notice was bidding me welcome and hoping that I had a pleasant > > stay > > "Good evening Jill. I know I've made some very bad decisions lately but > I want you to know that I have every confidence in this mission." "...and we know that you will be very happy here, at least - nobody has ever complained. Yet." jill -- ====================================================================== Jill Strobridge or J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk ====================================================================== From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Thu Nov 18 18:50:38 1999 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:50:38 -0000 Subject: HW November 99 tour review (tapes) Message-ID: - >Is it good enough to put on cdr and make a tree for those interested? >Anybody interested? I'd love one, it was certainly my favourite gig of the tour. Nick From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Thu Nov 18 17:59:42 1999 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:59:42 -0000 Subject: HW November 99 tour review (tapes) Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Witt" To: "Multiple recipients of list BOC-L" Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 6:08 PM Subject: Re: HW November 99 tour review (tapes) > > Milton Keynes is without doubt the best gig (and I suppose the best gig > > from this mini tour). > > Absolute highlights are SPIRIT OF THE AGE and MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE > > > Is it good enough to put on cdr and make a tree for those interested? > Anybody interested? One interested party here :) Si From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Thu Nov 18 18:01:55 1999 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:01:55 -0000 Subject: HW: Epoch Eclipse Review. Message-ID: Subject: Re: HW: Epoch Eclipse Review. > > Blink? The latter of those is news, I think. As for _Glastonbury > 1990_ that was on sale on the tour, and I belive it got reviewed. Also on > sale I think were _Complete '79_ and _Live 1982_, but the other Collectors > Series releases are I believe not out yet, and that 1971 beasty wasn't > listed among them... The missing No. 3 perhaps? In Croydon they just had Glastonbury `90 when I got there. Typical. Si From lwitt1 at USWEST.NET Thu Nov 18 19:39:23 1999 From: lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:39:23 -0600 Subject: HW November 99 tour review (tapes) Message-ID: Well it appears there is a lot of interest for a cdr tree. So, I'll set it up if possible and post to the list when I know more. I'll try and make sure the recording is good enough to use first, then try to locate a low-gen copy to transfer to cdr. From flossbac at NLCI.COM Thu Nov 18 20:09:02 1999 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:09:02 -0500 Subject: Nik's Sphynx album Message-ID: > I recently picked up one of those > budget Cleopatra 4-CD boxes (a good deal, if you don't already have any of > the CD's). This one is *mostly* great, with a Spiral Realms CD (I worship > Simon House), Calvert's 'Freq' (with bonus tracks that I didn't have! > yeah!), and the 'Psychedelic Warlords' comp (with a couple tracks I didn't > already have on CD). But it also includes the Nik Turner 'Sphynx' remake > (the Cleopatra one, not the original one on Charisma with Steve Hillage, > etc., which I love). Man! Is that one a stinker. I love Nik, I love > Helios Creed & Chrome, I really like the Pressurehed/Farflung crew, but I > just can't enjoy this CD. At least the follow-up, 'Prophets of Time', is a > *huge* improvement (and the two subsequent live sets are great). > > -Doug Wow Doug, it's crazy how opinions vary, because I've always thought the Sphynx CD (Cleopatra version) was WAY better than Prophets of Time. The Space Ritual '94 I wasn't too keen on either--most of the performances sound uninspired, more like a Hawkwind cover band than something that actually has a few members of the legendary act! However, Past or Future seemed a great comeback.... some really great tunes on there.... John Majka http://www.nlci.com/users/flossbac/hawkwind.html From chrisr at TIAC.NET Thu Nov 18 20:21:17 1999 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:21:17 -0500 Subject: Glastonbury 1990 Questions Message-ID: Is the Glastonbury 1990 CD really the Live 1982? I saw somewhere that it has this info: Hawkwind / Glastonbury 90 / cd import / new/ LIVE CD on voiceprint/ OFFICIAL RELEASE !/ LIVE sept 21, 1997 in GERMANY// with arrival in utopia, solitary mind games, dream worker, brainstorm, ejection, shot down, master of the universe//UK IMPORT / It is called 1990, has a 1982 tracklist, and says it is recorded in 1997. Which is true? Is it possible for an official release to be this inaccurate? Is the sound quality good? I know this CD has been mentioned for the last week or so, but cannot remember the specifics. Thanks for any help! On an unrelated topic, I am still waiting to come across the repackaged Xenon Codex and the 5 other ones that came out a few months ago. I have not seen them at all yet in my neck of the woods. Thanks a lot, Chris Si Halley wrote: > > Blink? The latter of those is news, I think. As for _Glastonbury > > 1990_ that was on sale on the tour, and I belive it got reviewed. Also on > > sale I think were _Complete '79_ and _Live 1982_, but the other Collectors > > Series releases are I believe not out yet, and that 1971 beasty wasn't > > listed among them... The missing No. 3 perhaps? > > In Croydon they just had Glastonbury `90 when I got there. Typical. > > Si -- As long as our spiritual needs are met, our living problems are reduced to the point of comfort (BT 5th ed) From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Nov 18 14:42:55 1999 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (IAN ABRAHAMS) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 19:42:55 -0000 Subject: HW: Unreleased Material Message-ID: No doubt this has been much discussed before, but does anybody have a "defintive" list of songs that have been played by Hawkwind at gigs but never released officially? i.e. Mark of Cain, Nati, Where Are They Now? etc Ian Abrahams ian at abrahamsi.freeserve.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Fri Nov 19 01:40:19 1999 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 07:40:19 +0100 Subject: AW: Glastonbury 1990 Questions Message-ID: Hi >Is the Glastonbury 1990 CD really the Live 1982? I saw somewhere that it has >this info: The Glastonbury 90 CD is in fact from 23.06.1990. The track listing on the back is wrong If you wish I can post it to the list later this day... Bernhard From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Fri Nov 19 02:25:52 1999 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 00:25:52 -0700 Subject: HW November 99 tour review (tapes) Message-ID: Me too. Me too, Me too!!!! :) :) :) Nick Lee wrote: > - > >Is it good enough to put on cdr and make a tree for those interested? > >Anybody interested? > > I'd love one, it was certainly my favourite gig of the tour. > > Nick -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: on 18/11/99, Jon wrote: BDL> Blink? The latter of those is news, I think. As for _Glastonbury BDL> 1990_ that was on sale on the tour, and I belive it got reviewed. Also on BDL> sale I think were _Complete '79_ and _Live 1982_, but the other BDL> Collectors Series releases are I believe not out yet, and that BDL> 1971 beasty wasn't listed among them... The missing No. 3 perhaps? BDL> BDL> Good heavens. Live HW from 1971 on whihc Dave Anderson *hasn't* BDL> yet got his hands? Yours, BDL> Jon Hum, Glastonbury 90 is sold here in normal record shops, so it seems that it's a regular issue by now; 'Salle Pleyel' is from Alchemy, a *new* provider ? Olivier /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Olivier Boigey mailto:olivier_boigey at technolink.org http://www.bwaje.claranet.fr /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG Fri Nov 19 04:40:46 1999 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG (Olivier Boigey) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:40:46 +0200 Subject: HW: Epoch Eclipse Review. In-Reply-To: <013901bf3216$9e5800a0$f05a883e@timsteph> Message-ID: In message ID <013901bf3216$9e5800a0$f05a883e at timsteph> on 18/11/99, BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List wrote: BDL> Whoah!! Disagree. These crappy bootleg-like albums are for BDL> diehards only. Newbies out there after early Hawks live staff BDL> should look for Space Ritual or 1999 Party a LONG time before BDL> touching Yuri Gagarin and its relations. (Tip - still dont get BDL> them and dont pay money for them) BDL> BDL> Tim Er, I was talking about compilations, not bad concert recordings like Yuri,but Acid Daze and dependencies have good material (the magnu/Angels is a gem) , with good sound; you just need to care not buying them again and again; thanks to the codex !!! Olivier /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Olivier Boigey mailto:olivier_boigey at technolink.org http://www.bwaje.claranet.fr /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 17 05:43:50 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:43:50 +0000 Subject: OFF : This week ....in Space/Krautrock Message-ID: This week 'oi 'ave mostly been listening to The Cosmic Jokers. I bought all 4 albums at once and they rock. Well, they float, at least. I'm looking for other stuff like this and say, Harmonia, and trying to avoid shouty/klanging things like Kluster's Zwei Osterei. Anyone got any favourites? (We know Dave likes Neu! after doing the sleevenotes) cheers -- Jon From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Nov 19 05:05:45 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 10:05:45 -0000 Subject: NWOBHM Message-ID: For all those not in the know... Steve (the BEER POWERED NOISE FRENZY singer) is putting together a 5 or 6 CD set of classic NWOBHM (Whey hey - SAXON! ANGELWITCH! SPIDER! SAMSON! TYGERS OF PAN TANG! DIAMONDHEAD!) If anyone fancies being educated by getting hold of a copy, contact SPR at postmaster.co.uk for details - shipping costs etc. Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 10:38 PM Subject: Re: tygers mention > In a message dated 11/18/99 11:27:47 AM, erics at TELEPRES.COM writes: > > << > tygers etc were one of the first/best [nwobhm] bands. their debut was a > real > ^^^^^^ > > Whazzat??? > >> > =-================= > see. bob? i done told ya! ^_~ > > ====>New Wave Of British Heavy Metal<==== > > he told me what it meant too; he can tell ya all about what that was. > > "<>" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From chrisr at TIAC.NET Fri Nov 19 05:08:43 1999 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 05:08:43 -0500 Subject: AW: Glastonbury 1990 Questions Message-ID: That would be really nice if you could post the track listing here. I would apreciate it. Thank, Chris Pospiech, Bernhard wrote: > Hi > > >Is the Glastonbury 1990 CD really the Live 1982? I saw somewhere > that it has > >this info: > > The Glastonbury 90 CD is in fact from 23.06.1990. > The track listing on the back is wrong > > If you wish I can post it to the list later this day... > > Bernhard -- As long as our spiritual needs are met, our living problems are reduced to the point of comfort (BT 5th ed) From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Fri Nov 19 05:38:39 1999 From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:38:39 +0100 Subject: crappy boots, good boot and original silver machine Message-ID: oh yea - yuri stinks in quality - but has some real interesting calvert-related stuff on it - most notably "in the egg" ... :-) while talking boots: if there ever was a (real) bootleg worth getting your hands on, it has to be "space rock from london" from '72 ...a way better mix than the bbc radio1 one (and GREAT sound!), and it features such a kick start "born to go" .....man! ..and 7by7...and a live version of silver silver machine, featuring lemmy on vox ...this time not overdubbed version ;-) buy, copy, steal, whatever that boot! ...oh, and what are anybody's opinion on the _original_ silver machine version (pre-lemmy-overdub)? ...no wonder they removed the turner+calvert(?) vox :-) (u can find it on the first glastonbury faire 3xlp ...but i think there's a cd box version available.....woth getting for that silver machine version and the gong-can't remeber-the-long-title alone) __________________________ __________________________ __________________________ space is the place, ketil svendsen norway ketil.svendsen at fiskaren.nhst.no ps. i don't really like the 199 party...dunno..maybe the sound? ..but still interesting for hearing lemmy's watcher live :-) >Whoah!! Disagree. These crappy bootleg-like albums are for diehards only. >Newbies out there after early Hawks live staff should look for Space Ritual >or 1999 Party a LONG time before touching Yuri Gagarin and its relations. >(Tip - still dont get them and dont pay money for them) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Nov 19 05:39:44 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy.Gilham) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 10:39:44 -0000 Subject: OFF : This week ....in Space/Krautrock In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What you want, is, Paradieswarts Duul by Amon Duul. You do! -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Jon Browne > Sent: 17 November 1999 10:44 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: OFF : This week ....in Space/Krautrock > > > This week 'oi 'ave mostly been listening to The Cosmic Jokers. I bought > all 4 albums at once and they rock. Well, they float, at least. > > I'm looking for other stuff like this and say, Harmonia, and trying to > avoid shouty/klanging things like Kluster's Zwei Osterei. > > Anyone got any favourites? (We know Dave likes Neu! after doing the > sleevenotes) > > cheers > -- > Jon > From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Fri Nov 19 05:55:44 1999 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (Sonique) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 21:55:44 +1100 Subject: HW: (Fwd) Hawkwind from Iran Message-ID: Kollectors - just found this in my inbox S. ------- Forwarded message follows ------- From: "Gonenim" To: Subject: Hawkwind from Iran Date sent: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 00:54:27 +0200 Hi , I found a copy of Hawkwind's "Silver machine" single pressed in Iran ! I offer it on auction now and it can be seen on my homepage : http://www.homestead.com/israeli_records/hawkwind.html All auction details can be found on this page but if you still have any questions, please feel free to contact me. Please contact me on my e-mail : omernuri at barak-online.net (I'm away from my PC, so this is not my account I'm using right now). This is an original record, I have a small experience with Iranian records and I know how they look like. All the best , Omer . ------- End of forwarded message ------- -- The email address ---> sonique at sonique.net The current project ---> http://sonique.net/house The bank balance ---> In the red :) From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Nov 19 06:02:56 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:02:56 -0000 Subject: Just thought I'd let you know... Message-ID: ... I'm currently treating the inhabitants of my office to Secret Treaties. Many smiles all round. :-) Cheers, Rich. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 19 08:00:45 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 13:00:45 GMT Subject: HW: Unreleased Material In-Reply-To: IAN ABRAHAMS's message of Thu, 18 Nov 1999 19:42:55 -0000 Message-ID: > No doubt this has been much discussed before, but does anybody have a = > "defintive" list of songs that have been played by Hawkwind at gigs but = > never released officially? here is a short list of special HAWKWIND gigs with exceptional tracks. DATE track(s) ======================================================================= 06.03.76 making of midgard 10.08.74 we need you, ode to a time flower 27.05.73 wage war, in the egg, gaga 14.10.71 beast of chaos 26.07.71 shores of paradise 24.02.73 angel on his way from slime 22.08.75 ode to a crystal set 12.07.80 nati 18.12.81 time ship, joker of the universe, power armour 13.03.84 note from a cold planet 05.05.86 all along the watchtower 15.12.88 hands of space, astronauts 05.03.89 coleridge on the enterprise 07.12.89 rambo in space ......to be continued.......... Bernhard From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Nov 19 08:09:15 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 08:09:15 EST Subject: HW: Unreleased Material Message-ID: ummm.... 'ode to a time flower' and 'angel on his way from slime' are the same, arent they? "<>" From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Nov 19 06:19:00 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:19:00 +0000 Subject: tygers mention In-Reply-To: <51034776622@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: In article <51034776622 at library.syr.edu>, Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 writes > > >Wasn't John Sykes in the Tygers at one time? > >theo No, that was Eric Sykes. -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Nov 19 06:24:55 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:24:55 +0000 Subject: HW: Unreleased Material In-Reply-To: <000001bf3257$051578a0$a1c3883e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: In article <000001bf3257$051578a0$a1c3883e at oemcomputer>, IAN ABRAHAMS writes > No doubt this has been much discussed before, but does anybody have > a "defintive" list of songs that have been played by Hawkwind at > gigs but never released officially? > ? > i.e.? Mark of Cain, Nati, Where Are They Now? etc > ? Wasn't this covered by ex-Smiths miserablist Morrisey, and released as "You're The One For Me, Nati"? Oh, never mind..... "Time For Sale" should head any such list, though, eh? -- Jon From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 19 08:40:24 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 13:40:24 GMT Subject: HW: Unreleased Material In-Reply-To: DASLUD@AOL.COM's message of Fri, 19 Nov 1999 08:09:15 EST Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: > ummm.... > 'ode to a time flower' and 'angel on his way from slime' are the same, arent > they? Yes, I think you're correct. FoFP From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Nov 19 09:09:29 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 14:09:29 +0000 Subject: November 99 tour review (tapes) In-Reply-To: <199911181757.SAA17916@mail.home.ins.de> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Nov 1999, Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > 09.11.99, NORWICH, WATERFRONT, 110 min > intro / aerospaceage inferno / poem / motorway city / assault & battery / ^^^^ This was the thing about the Ee-De-Ak-Ren which is intoned at the beginning of `Prairie' in IYA. I only heard it at Croydon but from descriptions elsewhere it would seem to be the same thing. Don't know what to call it apart from either `Prairie' (which it wasn't) or just `Ee-De-Ak-Ren'. My review of Croydon is coming, by the way, I have to spam a few other `deserving' types with a non-expert version first :-) Can anyone tell me about this `Anna Seed'/`Aniseed' thing Ron was doing at Norwich? I feel Anna Shefl ought to be told... Yours, Jon From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Fri Nov 19 09:11:59 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 09:11:59 -0500 Subject: BRAIN, BOC: what a piece of work Piece of Work is Message-ID: > AS to everything that follows its remarkable in that the guitars are > even > more integrated than what had earmarked Box of Hammers and the other > Pete/Billy performances on albums of yore. Albert's voice plays a > neat > role on the songs he sings the main lines-- it's like a whisper out of > the > night that threatens your doorstep - but in a good way ("ON the Road > (Again)"). Yeah, there appears to be a bit of vocal modulation on a few of the songs - maybe Albert could elaborate a bit on what vocal effects were used. What is that distortion used on the vocals in "Confession #9" for example? I've been hearing this effect on a number of modern recordings - it seems to be a popular thing these days. > > "Rock and Roll is Dead"'s bass (imm assuming thats a bass anyways) Yes, I think what you are referring to is the bass - a Q for Albert on this as well -- it almost sounds like 2 bass lines going on - did Dave double-track for this one, or did he pull off playing the root note down low while playing that little lick on the upper strings at the same time? > I could go on for each and every song in a drooling fanboy frenzy of > sheer > unadulterated glee about how much I like everything I hear.. Well, do go on... > As to other comments made before on the list about beefed up bass > sound, > heck yeah! The funkiness the dead on right fills are NICE. Oh yeah, > Albert > does a fair job on the drums as well (Yes, that's a bloddy big > understatement). I think the word Torgo used was "funkitude" - it's definitely prominent in the bass, but its the combo of bass and drums that make it work for the most part. Dave and Albert have obviously "locked in" together real well. > I think for me, it > puts another nail in the coffin of BOC (contemporary BOC). Heaven > Forbid > just didn't have the "ooomph" of hearing the band in the throes of > relishing the fun of music that the Brain Surgeons have always > exhibited > on disc, tape, onstage and off. Well, at this point I don't think the intent is to put nails in the BOC coffin. I like HF, but the differences are I think more due to the stylistic differences between Albert/Deb and Buck/Eric musically, and the fact that tBS have a degree of artistic freedom that an established band such as BOC doesn't - case in point - you would probably never catch BOC putting a song like "Biloxi" on one of their albums for the simple reason that it is not a "BOC song". tBS don't have that problem - they can play whatever they want. Makes you wonder what BOC would sound like if Albert had never left? On one extreme, it might sound a bit more like tBS, on the other extreme, it might sound not too different at all -- in either case, we would have been deprived of a lot of really great tunes. "Grab your waders, let's find the gators -- we're gonna do the swamp thing..." John From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Fri Nov 19 09:28:19 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:28:19 +0100 Subject: HW: anthology II Message-ID: Hi all, speeking of compilations.... I have a question. I just bougt a Anthology vol. 2 on Samurai witch has "double" record labels. The labels fist said Anthology III, and the put new labels over them. Do more of these exist? Like vol III and I mixed up etc? Thanks, -- BArt From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Nov 19 09:33:02 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 14:33:02 +0000 Subject: crappy boots, good boot and original silver machine In-Reply-To: <383528AB.99A83C77@fiskaren.nhst.no> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, Ketil Svendsen wrote: > oh yea - yuri stinks in quality - but has some real > interesting calvert-related stuff on it - most notably "in the > egg" ... :-) I'm waiting for Rom to realise `In The Egg' needs rescuing; he would do it _so_ well... > ps. i don't really like the 199 party...dunno..maybe the > sound? ..but still interesting for hearing lemmy's watcher > live :-) Too much audience, too little sax/flute, Lemmy totally out of it - singing flat and missing several notches of his usual quality. And yet, though some parts are actually quite bad, I love it :-) It's just "Hawkwind", if you see what I mean... A hearty agreement with everyone advising newbies not to buy _Yuri Gagarin_ also - it really is appalling. Yours, Jon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG Fri Nov 19 11:05:48 1999 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG (Olivier Boigey) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 18:05:48 +0200 Subject: HW: Unreleased Material In-Reply-To: <199911191300.NAA11247@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In message ID <199911191300.NAA11247 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk> on 19/11/99, BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List wrote: BDL> BDL> here is a short list of special HAWKWIND gigs with exceptional tracks. BDL> BDL> DATE track(s) BDL> ======================================================================= BDL> 06.03.76 making of midgard BDL> 10.08.74 we need you, ode to a time flower BDL> 27.05.73 wage war, in the egg, gaga BDL> 14.10.71 beast of chaos BDL> 26.07.71 shores of paradise BDL> 24.02.73 angel on his way from slime BDL> 22.08.75 ode to a crystal set BDL> 12.07.80 nati BDL> 18.12.81 time ship, joker of the universe, power armour BDL> 13.03.84 note from a cold planet BDL> 05.05.86 all along the watchtower BDL> 15.12.88 hands of space, astronauts BDL> 05.03.89 coleridge on the enterprise BDL> 07.12.89 rambo in space BDL> BDL> BDL> ......to be continued.......... BDL> 23.04.77 Waiting for my man (Lou Reed) 27.09.76 Time for sale 06.12.71 Cosmic Jam 16.11.88 All along the watchtower / City of tiny lights /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Olivier Boigey mailto:olivier_boigey at technolink.org http://www.bwaje.claranet.fr /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG Fri Nov 19 11:06:03 1999 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG (Olivier Boigey) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 18:06:03 +0200 Subject: HW : New CDs Message-ID: Just received this info this morning with Hawkzone N!20 : A QUARK NIGHT IN PARIS(Live la salle Pleyel 23/4/77):Reefer Madness/Hassan I Sahba/Forge Of Vulcan/Brainstorm/Wind Of Change/Steppenwolf/Spirit Of The Age/ Damnation Alley/Iron Dream/Waiting For My Man/Master Of The Universe.Welcome. ATOMHENGE 76(Live At The Colston Hall,Bristol 27/9/76):Reefer Madness/Paradox/ Chronoglide Skyway /Brainstorm/Wind Of Change /Steppenwolf /Uncle SamUs On Mars/ Time For Sale/Back On The Streets/Kerb Crawler. LIVE AT THE KINETIC PLAYGROUND(6/12/71):Technicians Of Spaceship Earth/You ShouldnUt Do That/You Know YouUre Only Dreamin/Master Of The Universe /Paranoia/Silver Machine/Born To Go/Cosmic Jam(25U16S!) COMING OF HAWKWIND(Live At Newcastle 11/12/73):Coming Of Hawkwind/Brainbox Pollution/The Wizard Blew His Horn/Lord Of Light /Brainstorm/Seven By Seven/YouUd Better Believe It/D- Rider/The Watcher/Warrior At The Edge Of Time/Master OfThe Universe. AGENTS OF CHAOS - TIME TRAVELLERS(Camden 16/11/88):The Right Stuff/Death Trap/ Damnation Alley/All Along The Watchtower/Motorway City/Living On A Knife Edge/ Lost Chronicles/City Of Tiny Lights/Unknown(unreleased track)/Psi Power/Shot Down In The Night/Brainstorm(encore). CALVERT/MOORCOCK - THE HAWKWIND CONNECTION (s lection de demos):Greenfly & The Rose/Lord Of The Hornets/Revenge/Fascism & Futurism/Bugatti/Isadora/Messenger And Morpheus /Solstice /S tranger In A Strange Land /Steppenwolf (Calvert) Another Quiet Day In Auschwitz/Starcruiser/Dodgem Dude/Brothel In Rosenstrasse/Good Girl,Bad Girl/Time Centre/My New Knife/Peter The Vulture/Into, Mental/Harlequin (Moorcock). CALVERT - AN EVENING WITH THE ACTION MAN(live Leicester 11/6/86):Ned Ludd 3/ Acid Rain/Work Song/Re-Wind/Ship Of Fools/Damnation Alley/All The Machines Are Quiet/Orgone Accumulator/Evil Rock/Lord Of The Hornets.( Londres 1/11/87):Catch A Falling Starfighter/Gremlin/Aerospaceage Inferno/Quark,Strangeness And Ch arm/Radio Egypt/Working In A Diamond Mine/Days Of The Underground. Et encore TEXT OF FESTIVAL - UNDISCLOSED FILES - CALIFORNIA BRAINSTORM - UK WINTER TOUR 79(avec Tim Blake) - STASIS - THE BUSINESS TRIP. Contact:ALCHEMY MAIL ORDER Po Box 91.Edgware,London.HA8 OYO.England. Tel:fax:0181 959 6092. Chaque Cd:12 livres.Charges postales:50p.le premier - 30p.par Cd suppl mentaire. /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Olivier Boigey mailto:olivier_boigey at technolink.org http://www.bwaje.claranet.fr /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Fri Nov 19 10:18:50 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:18:50 +0100 Subject: AW: Glastonbury 1990 Questions In-Reply-To: <383521AB.300C33BD@tiac.net> Message-ID: Hi there At 05:08 19.11.99 -0500, you wrote: >That would be really nice if you could post the track listing >here. I would apreciate it. Here it is: black elk speaks / angels of death / golden void / brainstorm / instrumental (poem) / ejection / unknown / hassan i sahba / dream worker / you shouldn?t do that / images Here is the full set (from my tape) 23.06.90, GLASTONBURY, FESTIVAL, 90 min. intro / black elk speaks / angels of death / golden void / brainstorm / instrumental (poem) / ejection / unknown / hassan i sahba / out of the shadows / snake dance / night of the hawks / jam / dream worker / you shouldn?t do that / images / damnation alley / your secret's safe with me / damnation alley Bernhard From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Nov 19 10:42:51 1999 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 23:42:51 +0800 Subject: Chronicles White Book CDI disc In-Reply-To: <3832A0B4.BB003642@execpc.com> Message-ID: It also can be played on some standalone DVD players, such as by Pioneer (which I have). William > Try the Windows Media Player: > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/mediaplayer/en/download/allplayers.asp > > I have this disc too and that software has worked. :-) > > Karen > > > M Holmes wrote: > > > > Does anyone know what software will play this on a 'puter or know web > > sites such software can be downloaded? > > > > It says it's CDI White Book Mpeg compatible. > > > > Cheers > > > > foFP > > -- > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > - Frank Zappa > From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Nov 19 10:49:25 1999 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 23:49:25 +0800 Subject: Chronicles White Book CDI disc In-Reply-To: <199911171405.OAA20005@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: It will work if you click on open, type in the name of your CD drive, followed by the location of the file, ie D:\MPEGAV\Avseq01.dat (or it could be Avseq02.dat. It's the larger of the 2 files in that directory). William > > > > Does anyone know what software will play this on a 'puter or know web > > > sites such software can be downloaded? > > > > > > It says it's CDI White Book Mpeg compatible. > > > Try the Windows Media Player: > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/mediaplayer/en/download/allplayers.asp > > > > I have this disc too and that software has worked. :-) > > OK I've installed the mediaplayer software and inserted the CDI. Now how > do I get it to play? None of the files seem acceptable to mediaplayer... > > FoFP > From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Nov 19 10:52:58 1999 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 23:52:58 +0800 Subject: Chronicles White Book CDI disc In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991117150822.0095d970@pop.casema.net> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of cosmos > Sent: Wednesday, 17 November 1999 10:12 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: Chronicles White Book CDI disc > > > > > > Does anyone know what software will play this on a 'puter > or know web > > > > sites such software can be downloaded? > > > > > > > > It says it's CDI White Book Mpeg compatible. > > > > > Try the Windows Media Player: > > > > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/mediaplayer/en/download/allplayers.asp > > > > > > I have this disc too and that software has worked. :-) > > > >OK I've installed the mediaplayer software and inserted the CDI. Now how > >do I get it to play? None of the files seem acceptable to mediaplayer... > > > >FoFP > > did the same. > according to my information the video files are located in "mpegav". > but these files have the extension: .dat > and my mediaplayer can't read any .dat files > so what did you do or changed to play them. > i have the latest microsoft mediaplayer 6.4 installed. > It does read these files, as they are really Mpeg files. It will work if you select 'all files' in Open. William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Nov 19 11:04:56 1999 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 00:04:56 +0800 Subject: HW : New CDs In-Reply-To: <13434846.202393774@technolink.org> Message-ID: > > Just received this info this morning with Hawkzone N!20 : > > > A QUARK NIGHT IN PARIS(Live la salle Pleyel 23/4/77):Reefer > Madness/Hassan I > Sahba/Forge Of Vulcan/Brainstorm/Wind Of > Change/Steppenwolf/Spirit Of The Age/ > Damnation Alley/Iron Dream/Waiting For My Man/Master Of The > Universe.Welcome. > > ATOMHENGE 76(Live At The Colston Hall,Bristol 27/9/76):Reefer > Madness/Paradox/ > Chronoglide Skyway /Brainstorm/Wind Of Change /Steppenwolf /Uncle SamUs On > Mars/ Time For Sale/Back On The Streets/Kerb Crawler. > > LIVE AT THE KINETIC PLAYGROUND(6/12/71):Technicians Of Spaceship Earth/You > ShouldnUt Do That/You Know YouUre Only Dreamin/Master Of The Universe > /Paranoia/Silver Machine/Born To Go/Cosmic Jam(25U16S!) > > COMING OF HAWKWIND(Live At Newcastle 11/12/73):Coming Of Hawkwind/Brainbox > Pollution/The Wizard Blew His Horn/Lord Of Light /Brainstorm/Seven By > Seven/YouUd Better Believe It/D- Rider/The Watcher/Warrior At The Edge Of > Time/Master OfThe Universe. > > AGENTS OF CHAOS - TIME TRAVELLERS(Camden 16/11/88):The Right > Stuff/Death Trap/ > Damnation Alley/All Along The Watchtower/Motorway City/Living On > A Knife Edge/ > Lost Chronicles/City Of Tiny Lights/Unknown(unreleased track)/Psi > Power/Shot > Down In The Night/Brainstorm(encore). > > CALVERT/MOORCOCK - THE HAWKWIND CONNECTION (s lection de > demos):Greenfly & The > Rose/Lord Of The Hornets/Revenge/Fascism & > Futurism/Bugatti/Isadora/Messenger > And Morpheus /Solstice /S tranger In A Strange Land /Steppenwolf (Calvert) > Another Quiet Day In Auschwitz/Starcruiser/Dodgem Dude/Brothel In > Rosenstrasse/Good Girl,Bad Girl/Time Centre/My New Knife/Peter The > Vulture/Into, Mental/Harlequin (Moorcock). > > CALVERT - AN EVENING WITH THE ACTION MAN(live Leicester > 11/6/86):Ned Ludd 3/ > Acid Rain/Work Song/Re-Wind/Ship Of Fools/Damnation Alley/All The > Machines Are > Quiet/Orgone Accumulator/Evil Rock/Lord Of The Hornets.( Londres > 1/11/87):Catch A Falling Starfighter/Gremlin/Aerospaceage > Inferno/Quark,Strangeness And Ch arm/Radio Egypt/Working In A > Diamond Mine/Days > Of The Underground. > > Et encore TEXT OF FESTIVAL - UNDISCLOSED FILES - CALIFORNIA > BRAINSTORM - UK > WINTER TOUR 79(avec Tim Blake) - STASIS - THE BUSINESS TRIP. > > Contact:ALCHEMY MAIL ORDER Po Box 91.Edgware,London.HA8 OYO.England. > Tel:fax:0181 959 6092. > > Chaque Cd:12 livres.Charges postales:50p.le premier - 30p.par Cd > suppl mentaire. Are they contactable via the net, as there are a lot of interesting material listed here?? William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Nov 19 11:54:50 1999 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 00:54:50 +0800 Subject: MP3 player In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi all Thought you all may be interested in this that I found while looking for MP3 players. It's a piece of hardware that connects to your soundcard and enables you to listen to MP3's on any other system up to 100 feet away. It also has a remote control that can change the tracks without needing to be near the computer. It's called MP3 Anywhere, and it's here:- http://www.x10.com/home/offer.cgi?!MP3C4,../1index1842.htm Bye for now William From deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET Fri Nov 19 13:03:56 1999 From: deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET (Aaron Crandall) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 10:03:56 -0800 Subject: NWOBHM Message-ID: I tried sending email to the below address but it just bounced back. I am interested in getting this compilation! > >If anyone fancies being educated by getting hold of a copy, contact >SPR at postmaster.co.uk for details - shipping costs etc. > From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Nov 19 11:49:10 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:49:10 -0500 Subject: OFF : This week ....in Space/Krautrock Message-ID: Jon asked... >This week 'oi 'ave mostly been listening to The Cosmic Jokers. I bought >all 4 albums at once and they rock. Well, they float, at least. Yeah, the Galactic Joke piece from the very first one is something very special, ain't it? >I'm looking for other stuff like this and say, Harmonia, and trying to >avoid shouty/klanging things like Kluster's Zwei Osterei. The one you want from Moebius/Roedelius IMHO is Sowiesoso (Cluster with a 'C'), a very ambient, hypnotic album of beautiful sounds (the title means 'Always the same'). But with true 'character' (and tension) as opposed to new agey schmaltz. >Anyone got any favourites? (We know Dave likes Neu! after doing the >sleevenotes) Oh, Jesus, don't get me started!! Neu!'s first album *was* very innovative, with proto-trance, proto-industrial, and proto-ambient music (if you will) all represented. I thought I saw (on www.eurock.com) that an official CD re-release was finally made of this, but I have yet to hear any definite confirmation of that. Of course, it was part of the huge collection of Germanofon boots that have been around for years. Anyway, as far as 'kosmische' stuff in the vein of Cosmic Jokers.... I disagree with Andy G. on Amon D??l (I)...I never found much of interest there, too amateur for my tastes. Especially given the wonderful Amon D??l II (for which Andy has his own very informative webpage)... Plus, Munich music was really more 'ethnic' and folksy than the Berliners. I'd be more inclined to stay in Berlin and suggest Agitation Free's '2nd' or even better, 'At the cliffs of river Rhine'. (Note that AgFree's first album, Malesch is *very* 'ethnic' itself....and very good as well.) And of course, Ash Ra Tempel...Schwingungen is a good one (some dodgy vocals), and the Cleopatra 2CD 'Best of the Private Tapes' is excellent....esp. if you like G?ttsching's 'loopy' guitar work. I would recommend also Wegmuller's Tarot album, except I've never heard it....damn thing is too expensive. But it's supposed to be one of the best in that Cosmic Berlin sound. Mythos were a pretty cool band also, esp. if you like flute. You also might like Gila's first S/T album, sometimes called 'Free Electric Sound.' They were from Stuttgart, but are a mix of Berlin and Munich sounds I think. Keith H. (FAA) P.S. Two members of Wallenstein were in the Cosmic Jokers supergroup, but you should note that their music is not 'drifty space' stuff, but rather more keyboard-oriented kraut-prog. Good stuff still, but not very much like Ash Ra or CJ. They weren't really from Berlin anyway. P.P.S. Guru Guru were another excellent Berlin band, but they were either more freaked out (earlier) or jazzy (later). The 'transition' album (Dance of the Flames, 1974) is my favorite. A little silly perhaps! 'Hinten' is pretty cool too. P.P.P.S. I'm ignoring Tangerine Dream because I don't know enough about them...I see merit in their first 'rock' album (Electronic Meditation), but I was bored with 'Zeit.' From micci at SCI.FI Fri Nov 19 12:10:48 1999 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:10:48 +0200 Subject: HW November 99 tour review (tapes) Message-ID: >> Milton Keynes is without doubt the best gig (and I suppose the best gig >> from this mini tour). >> Absolute highlights are SPIRIT OF THE AGE and MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE > > >Is it good enough to put on cdr and make a tree for those interested? >Anybody interested? YES! NP:Amorphis-My Kantele Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Nov 19 13:01:17 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 13:01:17 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: tygers mention In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, Jon Browne wrote: => In article <51034776622 at library.syr.edu>, Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 => writes => > => > => >Wasn't John Sykes in the Tygers at one time? => > => >theo => => No, that was Eric Sykes. Didn't Hattie Jacques sing backup for a while, too? Cheers, Paul. :-) NP: Fairport Convention, _Liege and Lief_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK Fri Nov 19 13:17:12 1999 From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (David Bottomley) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 18:17:12 -0000 Subject: AW: Glastonbury 1990 Questions Message-ID: A recent CDS catalogue supplement had 'Black Elk Speaks' listed as 'Magic of the Earth', the poem as 'The Door' and the unknown track as 'Sword of Dawn'. Don't know how valid these titles are cos they still haven't got around to sending it to me yet. Rather frustrating ..... Dave Bottomley >Here it is: > >black elk speaks / angels of death / golden void / brainstorm / >instrumental (poem) / ejection / unknown / hassan i sahba / dream worker / >you shouldn?t do that / images > > > >Here is the full set (from my tape) > >23.06.90, GLASTONBURY, FESTIVAL, 90 min. >intro / black elk speaks / angels of death / golden void / brainstorm / >instrumental (poem) / ejection / unknown / hassan i sahba / out of the >shadows / snake dance / night of the hawks / jam / dream worker / you >shouldn?t do that / images / damnation alley / your secret's safe with me / >damnation alley > > >Bernhard From chip at PCC.COM Fri Nov 19 13:20:44 1999 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 13:20:44 -0500 Subject: BOC "Prozac" Cover Message-ID: From another list I'm on: > Not _strictly_ metal I'll grant you, but the fine Prozak For Lovers cd > features a lounge version of 'da Tull's 'Aqualung' - plus Blue Oyster Cult, > Hendrix, Clash, Ramones, Costello and other top covers cheezily done. > RealAudio etc at http://home.att.net/~bblash/page6.html ...click on one of the pills in the martini glass (you'll see what I mean) to hear the Reaper cover. Worth a listen. -- Chip Hart * chip @ pcc.com Physician's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 1 Main Street * Work:800-722-7708 Winooski, VT 05404 * Fax: 802-846-8178 From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Nov 19 13:27:51 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 13:27:51 EST Subject: HW: City of Tiny Lites Message-ID: In a message dated 11/19/99 7:11:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG writes: > 16.11.88 All along the watchtower / City of tiny lights > > Ahem! That's "Tiny _Lites_"!! :) Anal Zappa Intruder. PS: I still have yet to hear this cover version; but I think one could argue that FZ's version might be...well...a spoof on Space Rock?? Just a theory... Chuck From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Fri Nov 19 13:37:07 1999 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 13:37:07 EST Subject: tygers mention Message-ID: john sykes absolutely was in Tygers of Pan Tang; he did the spellbound/crazy nights/the cage lp's. long and very off-topic thread; but in the interest of accuracy.... rmayo From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Fri Nov 19 13:45:15 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:45:15 +0100 Subject: AW: Glastonbury 1990 Questions In-Reply-To: <018c01bf32ba$50627980$bc3a70c2@merlinas> Message-ID: hi At 18:17 19.11.99 +0000, you wrote: >A recent CDS catalogue supplement had 'Black Elk Speaks' listed as 'Magic of >the Earth', the poem as 'The Door' and the unknown track as 'Sword of Dawn'. >Don't know how valid these titles are cos they still haven't got around to >sending it to me yet. Rather frustrating ..... Thanks very much for this very interesting information!!!! Bernhard From sprawl at STARPOWER.NET Fri Nov 19 13:41:23 1999 From: sprawl at STARPOWER.NET (Sprawl) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 13:41:23 -0500 Subject: Chronicles White Book CDI disc Message-ID: >It does read these files, as they are really Mpeg files. It will work if you >select 'all files' in Open. > >William > That used to do it for me, but I think you have to set file associations in win98... From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Nov 19 13:04:48 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 14:04:48 EDT Subject: tygers mention In-Reply-To: <0.24b8d52a.2566f2d3@aol.com> Message-ID: > From: "Robert C. Mayo" > john sykes absolutely was in Tygers of Pan Tang; he did the spellbound/crazy > nights/the cage lp's. > long and very off-topic thread; but in the interest of accuracy.... I was pretty sure of that, but, as usual, didn't want to appear confrontational... theo BTW, What's Sykes [John, that is] up to these days? Always thought he was a blistering player during his stint with Thin Lizzy... From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Nov 19 14:10:13 1999 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (IAN ABRAHAMS) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:10:13 -0000 Subject: HW: BBC Archives Message-ID: Amazon are listing a "BBC Archives" Hawkwind CD released by EMI. I haven't seen this around, anybody have details? Ian Abrahams ian at abrahamsi.freeserve.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Nov 19 14:20:19 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy.Gilham) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:20:19 -0000 Subject: OFF : This week ....in Space/Krautrock In-Reply-To: <199911191705.MAA01768@mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: > I disagree with Andy G. on Amon D??l (I)...I never found much of interest > there, too amateur for my tastes. Especially given the > wonderful Amon D??l > II (for which Andy has his own very informative webpage)... In general, I don't listen to Amon Duul a whole lot, you've got to be in the mood for those percussion freakouts. Paradieswarts Duul is another pair of sleeves, though, it's like disc two of _Yeti_, very mellow! And ta for the plug - it's at http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham/amonduul2/ad2.htm -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Nov 19 16:13:32 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 21:13:32 -0000 Subject: OFF John Paul Jones Message-ID: For anyone interested I caught the JPJ gig in Glasgow yesterday. He played the Garage (HW played there on the last tour). A very low key tour hence low turn-out. Brilliant gig JPJ on keys, pedal steel and bass (four, six and ten string versions); with a drummer and "stick" player. Interesting set, stuff from the new CD "Zooma" some jamming and some Zep; blues, jazz and some heavy prog (similar to later King Crimson). The best bassist I've seen, ever. Ron Tree check it out! Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 19 17:15:52 1999 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 22:15:52 +0000 Subject: Nik's Sphynx album In-Reply-To: <000701bf322a$abacb160$e36040ce@pavilion> Message-ID: At 01:09 19/11/99 , flossbac wrote: >Wow Doug, it's crazy how opinions vary, because I've always thought the >Sphynx CD (Cleopatra version) was WAY better than Prophets of Time. I'm with John on this. I found most of Prophets of Time very disappointing. Past or Future was better, but still wasn't great. Sphynx beats both of them, IMO, especially "Thoth". There's also the 1976 release of Sphynx (or rather "Xitintoday", by Sphynx), but that's a different pyramid of mysteries. One of the nice things about the Cleopatra release, for those of us that have the 1976 version, is that the Cleopatra release includes the original flute recordings from the Great Pyramid. Dave. Dave Berry, www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~daveb From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 19 17:22:53 1999 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 22:22:53 +0000 Subject: HW: Epoch Eclipse Review. In-Reply-To: <013a01bf3216$9f2a92e0$f05a883e@timsteph> Message-ID: At 21:43 18/11/99 , Tim Stephenson wrote: >Thanks for this post Brian. I have 27 Hawks albums and feel like an idiot >newbie watching half these posts. I have 37, but there's some redundancy in there. Plus I have a few tapes. But my advice would be not to be put off by the completists here. They are pretty welcoming people, they just have big HW collections! I find their advice really helpful in sorting out what's really worth having, and what's not. The big gaps in my collection are >Astounding Stories and The Business Trip. (I believe) less significant gaps >are Hawklords, Zones and Out and Intake. It may be snobbish, but I'd >rather hang on til I find these than buy a compilation. I reckon that if you don't have "Steppenwolf", then a compilation would be worth it -- but that's just my preference. If you see a Calvert-era single-CD compilation, that might be a good choice, given that you don't have Astounding or Hawklords. Zones and Out And Intake aren't really worth hanging on for, IMO. They're basically compilations themselves, and they certainly don't hang together very well as albums. Dave. Dave Berry, www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~daveb From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Nov 19 18:07:37 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 18:07:37 EST Subject: HW: Unreleased Material Message-ID: In a message dated 11/19/99 10:11:28 AM, Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG writes: << 10.08.74 we need you, ode to a time flower >> ======== not much to "we need you", really... and yeah, while it's often listed as such but the 8/10/74 date is incorrect. it's from almost a year prior. "<>" From timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Nov 19 18:03:29 1999 From: timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Tim Stephenson) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 23:03:29 -0000 Subject: HW Recent v Old Message-ID: As the newbie to the group (dontcha find you lose the fun when you cant say that any more.....time to move on) where was I.... oh yeah >From the compilation releases, various posts by quantity, both here and other groups/newsgroups and general vibe (good word, now sadly fallen into underuse) it seems that most Hawkfans, of both heavyweight and occasional variety are mainly into the older stuff. Popularity seems to be in chronological order up to Levitation, then it tails off. ???????????? Not me. A Hawkfan from way back when, I bought Electric Tepee when I was bored one day, probably my first music purchase for five years. Gobsmacked. Went back the next day, bought Space Bandits and It is the Biz. Good and Superb. Bought CD player and Distant Horizons. Started having multiple orgasms. Bought Alien4. Couldn't believe I'd lived before. Got Love in Space. There's nothing else to life after this is there. Played Space Ritual...... put it back - forget it. Tim np- David Sylvian, Superb stuff highly recommended From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Nov 19 18:36:59 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 18:36:59 EST Subject: HW Recent v Old Message-ID: In a message dated 11/19/99 6:26:17 PM, timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: << Played Space Ritual...... put it back - forget it. Tim >> ================ 6 years doesnt qualify as 'from way back' compared to 27 years, for one thing. without dissing your opinion, imho "space ritual" blows away those other lp's combined, and then some. kinda pointless to say so in this context, though.... have fun. ps>keep it in your pants, comrade ^_~ "<>" "you are your own censor. > if you dont like what i say, you have choice. > you can turn me off====" > --ALICE COOPER, "lay down and die, goodbye" '70 > From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Nov 19 19:59:48 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:59:48 -0800 Subject: HW: NIK: Nik's Sphynx album Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 22:15:52 +0000, Dave Berry wrote: >At 01:09 19/11/99 , flossbac wrote: >>Wow Doug, it's crazy how opinions vary, because I've always thought the >>Sphynx CD (Cleopatra version) was WAY better than Prophets of Time. That's one of the things I love most about boc-l is being able to share opinions that we strongly disagree on - at least we can all agree on being Hawkwind fans, and that's about it! I may be biased in favor of 'Prophets of Time' since I like those Inner City Unit songs so much (although the only one that betters the original IMO is "Stonehenge Who Knows", purely for Simon House's violin soloing). But 'Prophets' sounds like a much more coherent effort to me, like something approaching a "real" band. Too much of 'Sphynx' sounds to me like musicians screwing around in the studio without much focus. I can do that anytime I want and make my own noise, dammit :^). And Nik's vocals sound "phoned-in" (which they essentially were, actually) on both albums, although more so (IMO, of course) on 'Sphynx'. Of course, if you can't stand 'Prophets' because of the voice of Genesis P. Orridge being all over it, I certainly won't disagree with you on THAT :^). >I'm with John on this. I found most of Prophets of Time very disappointing. Past or >Future was better, but still wasn't great. Sphynx beats both of them, IMO, especially >"Thoth". I agree that "Thoth" is the best track on 'Sphynx' (except see below), but I think the full-band version on 'Space Ritual 94' utterly blows it away. I guess I'm a bit surprised that you don't like the live albums as much. I think that's where the Nik/Pressurehed band really shines, for a number of reasons: 1) Nik has an audience to perform for, which brings out the consummte entertainer in him, 2) songs don't sound like everyone is playing along with a click track (the same complaint someone was recently making about HW songs like "Blue Skin" and "Space is Their Palestine"), 2.5) real drums, 3) crunchier guitars (but like I said before, I'm a big Helios Creed/Chrome fan, and IMO he added his own character to the SR94 band's in a very positive way - no one else sounds like him on guitar), 4) Del Dettmar, still one of the best synth players alive after all these years. Then again, there are probably just as many good reasons why I'm wrong :^). >There's also the 1976 release of Sphynx (or rather "Xitintoday", by Sphynx), but >that's a different pyramid of mysteries. With Steve Hillage, Tim Blake & Mike Howlett among others, so it winds up sounding like loose jams done by the Radio Gnome-era Gong lineup. I really like that album (doesn't hurt that I'm a Gong fan), and I also love the fact that Nik basically did a musical 180 over the next two years before his next release (from the prog-influenced 'Xitintoday' to Inner City Unit's punkish 'Passout'). >One of the nice things about the Cleopatra >release, for those of us that have the 1976 version, is that the Cleopatra release >includes the original flute recordings from the Great Pyramid. I like that part a lot, and I'm glad they included it as a bonus track. Definitely my favorite part of the Cleopatra 'Sphynx' album. -Doug ceres at sirius.com From artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM Fri Nov 19 19:11:18 1999 From: artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM (Gary Davis) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:11:18 -0500 Subject: AW: Glastonbury 1990 Questions Message-ID: At 06:10 PM 11/19/99 -0500, Chris wrote: > >That would be really nice if you could post the track listing here. I would >apreciate it. >Thank, Chris Here's the full information that Voiceprint sent me on these three Hawkwind releases. You'll find them all listed on my Voiceprint page under impending releases. There was a fourth title with this batch, Greasy Truckers, but last time I spoke with Voiceprint, they told me that the release of Greasy Truckers had been cancelled. Don't ask me why. Hawkwind Live At Glastonbury Festival 1990 HAWKVP1CD Hawkwind Records By the end of the 80's, after numerous line up changes, arguments over royalties and the death of Robert Calvert it looked like the end of Hawkwind. But with yet another new line up, the album Space Bandits was issued on Castle to great acclaim, with the band's date sheet fuller than ever, playing dates with the new breed of festival acts such as Ozric Tentacles. This gig was recorded at the band's spiritual home Glastonbury at 5 a.m. in the Travellers Field, it is previously unreleased and includes a blend of old and new material. Musicians Bridget Wishart::vocals. Dave Brock::vocals, guitars, keyboard. Alan Davey::bass, vocals. Harvey Bainbridge::vocals, keyboards Richard Chadwick::Drums Track Listing 1.Magic Of The Earth 2.Angels Of Death 3.Golden Void 4.Brainstorm 5.The Door 6.Ejection 7.Sword Of Dawn 8.Assassins Of Allah 9.Dreamworker 10.Should'nt Do That 11.Images Key Sales Points 1.Hawkind Records is authorised and overseen by original founder member Dave Brock to release rare and previously unissued recordings by Hawkwind. 2.Hawkwind celebrate their 30th anniversary this year with 3 nights at Brixton Academy in September, and EMI release a 3cd set called Masters Of The Universe. 3.Press mailout by Frontline to all fanzines and relevant monthlies. A 6 page feature is in the September edition of Mojo. Hawkwind Complete '79 - Collectors Series Volume 2 HAWKVP4CD Hawkwind Records (2cd) By 1979 the band consisted of Brock, Lloyd - Langton, King, Bainbridge with special guest Tim Blake of Gong. The album Live Seventy Nine (re -issued by Castle) captured the punky spirit of the period and resulted in a minor hit single "Shot Down In The Night". This double cd set is a complete show from the 1979 tour, and the booklet consists of a full colour reproduction of the tour programme. Musicians Dave Brock::vocals, guitar Huw Lloyd - Langton::vocals, lead guitar Simon King::drums Harvey Bainbridge::bass guitar Tim Blake::keyboards Track Listing Disc One 1.Shot Down In The Night 2.Motorway City 3.Spirit Of The Age 4.Urban Guerilla 5.Who's Gonna Win The War 6.World Of Tiers Disc Two 1.New Jerusalem 2.Light House 3.Brianstorm 4.Satalite 5.PXR 5 6.Masters Of The Universe 7.Silver Machine 8.Levitation Key Sales Points 1.Hawkwind Records is authorised and overseen by original founder member Dave Brock, to release rare and unissued Hawkwind recordings. This is a complete show from 1979 and features Gong's Tim Blake. 2.Hawkwind celebrate their 30th anniversary this year with performances at Brixton Academy in September and the release of an EMI 3cd set called Masters Of THe Universe. 3.Press by Frontline, with a mail out to all fanzines and relevant monthlies. A 6 page feature is included in the September issue of Mojo. Hawkwind Choose Your Masques - Live 1982 - Collectors Series Volume 1 HAWKVP3CD Hawkwind Records (2cd) The early 80's saw Hawkwind signed to RCA, 3 albums were released, of which Choose Your Masques was the most successful. Whilst the band had gone through another line up change, the core of Dave Brock, Huw Lloyd - Langton and Harvey Bainbridge saw their date sheet as full as ever. This double cd is a 24 track recording of the complete show with a full colour booklet, which is a faithfull reproduction of the tour programme. Track Listing Disc One 1.Choose Your Masques 2.Coded Languages 3.Magnu 4.Dust Of Time 5.Warriors At The Edge Of Time 6.Waiting For Tomorrow 7.Angels Of Death 8.Psychedelic Warrior 9.Utopia 10.Social Alliance Disc Two 1.Arrival In Utopia 2.Solitary Mind Games 3.Dream Worker 4.Brainstorm 5.Ejection 6.Shot Down In The Night 7.Masters Of The Universe Key Sales Points 1.Hawkwind Records is authorised and overseen by original founder member Dave Brock to release rare and unissued recordings of the band. 2.Hawkwind celebrate their 30th anniversary this year with 3 nights at Brixton Academy in September,with EMI issuing a 3cd set called Masters Of The Universe, plus a remix of Silver Machine by KLF. 3.Press mailout by Frontline to all fanzines and monthlies. There is a 6 page feature in the September issue of Mojo. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop.com phone: 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Nov 19 19:17:45 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 00:17:45 +0000 Subject: OFF : This week ....in Space/Krautrock In-Reply-To: <199911191705.MAA01768@mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, Keith Henderson wrote: > Neu!'s first album *was* very innovative, with proto-trance, > proto-industrial, and proto-ambient music (if you will) all represented. I > thought I saw (on www.eurock.com) that an official CD re-release was finally > made of this, but I have yet to hear any definite confirmation of that. Of > course, it was part of the huge collection of Germanofon boots that have > been around for years. I got that, and thought it was indeed one of a kind, and this impression was only confirmed by the second, whihc aside from being a bad press was also a bad bootleg and seemed, as far as the music went, to have only one gimmick and that a tape-player with variable speed settings. But the first one's good. It needs a decent release. > And of > course, Ash Ra Tempel...Schwingungen is a good one (some dodgy vocals), and > the Cleopatra 2CD 'Best of the Private Tapes' is excellent....esp. if you > like G?ttsching's 'loopy' guitar work. I would recommend also Wegmuller's > Tarot album, except I've never heard it....damn thing is too expensive. But > it's supposed to be one of the best in that Cosmic Berlin sound. Mythos > were a pretty cool band also, esp. if you like flute. I think the first Ash Ra (self-titled) is gorgeous; _Schwingungen_ I like parts of but sometimes it fails to reach me. Is _Tarot_ an Ash Ra Tempel album or something other? _Join Inn_ seems to suggest that the same people recorded _Tarot_ in its sleeve notes. > P.S. Two members of Wallenstein were in the Cosmic Jokers supergroup, but > you should note that their music is not 'drifty space' stuff, but rather > more keyboard-oriented kraut-prog. Good stuff still, but not very much like > Ash Ra or CJ. They weren't really from Berlin anyway. They're really odd! It's as if they had never heard any music other than classical and then someone lent them Blue Oyster Cult's equipment for a year and took them round some Berlin clubs. Very noisy piano-based but never really rock so much as classical played very fast. > P.P.S. Guru Guru were another excellent Berlin band, but they were either > more freaked out (earlier) or jazzy (later). The 'transition' album (Dance > of the Flames, 1974) is my favorite. A little silly perhaps! 'Hinten' is > pretty cool too. The freak-out stuff is great! Germans with a sense of humour all right! > > P.P.P.S. I'm ignoring Tangerine Dream because I don't know enough about > them...I see merit in their first 'rock' album (Electronic Meditation), but > I was bored with 'Zeit.' _Zeit_ has to be really listened to, with near-total attention, as otherwise it just won't fit in the head. My girlfriend said it scared her and compared it to Stravinsky. I'd urge you to try it again when you're trying to sleep or something and can spare the time to listen to every single bit. In between it and EM though is a damn fine album, _Alpha Centauri_, which does everything Ash Ra ever managed bar the guitar. The later (`blue') stuff is also good but loses the innovation and depth slowly. The recent stuff, apart from other people's remixes of it, should not be touched with the proverbial bargepole. Yours, Jon (oi loikes a bit of Krautrock, oi does) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Nov 19 19:21:49 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 00:21:49 +0000 Subject: HW: BBC Archives In-Reply-To: <003701bf32c1$b650f8a0$27b4883e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, IAN ABRAHAMS wrote: > Amazon are listing a "BBC Archives" Hawkwind CD released by EMI. I > haven't seen this around, anybody have details? This would perhaps be that BBC Sessions thing that was being talked of a while back? I believe it was to include the most recent (1995) session and some older stuff, but not I think any of the Call-It-What-You- Will _Space Rock From London_ disk. Anyone support my flagging memory on this? Yours, Jon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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BTW I like the Acid Daze compilation - it's just a pity about the endless re-issues. Maybe it should be made illegal to reissue an album with a different title unless it contains substantial new material....... yeah - ok - define "substantial" in this context 8-) jill > > Thanks, > -- BArt -- ====================================================================== Jill Strobridge or J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk ====================================================================== From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Nov 19 19:34:00 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 00:34:00 +0000 Subject: HW Recent v Old In-Reply-To: <00bf01bf32e5$d232afe0$5d03883e@timsteph> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, Tim Stephenson wrote: > Not me. A Hawkfan from way back when, I bought Electric Tepee when I was > bored one day, probably my first music purchase for five years. Gobsmacked. > Went back the next day, bought Space Bandits and It is the Biz. Good and > Superb. Bought CD player and Distant Horizons. Started having multiple > orgasms. Bought Alien4. Couldn't believe I'd lived before. Got Love in > Space. There's nothing else to life after this is there. Played Space > Ritual...... put it back - forget it. I rate _Love In Space_ higher than almost anything else they've ever done, but I except, there, ISoS, DFL and SR. SR and ISoS I would find it hard to live without, and DFL I play more than any other HW album. I do think the nineties stuff achieved a simliar coherence to the early stuff though, after the eighties were mostly spent in pursuit of a sound, not that that didn't turn up some interesting by-the-way stuff. Mostly by Harvey. I also rate _California Brainstorm_ far higher than is really justifiable. Yours, Jon P.S. All that said, once you have LiS I don't believe there's any real need ever to play _Alien4_ again. From g.m.wright at TINYONLINE.CO.UK Fri Nov 19 18:45:50 1999 From: g.m.wright at TINYONLINE.CO.UK (g.m.wright) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 23:45:50 -0000 Subject: HW November 99 tour review (tapes) Message-ID: Yes Please ! geoff wright g.m.wright at tinyonline.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Dan Witt To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 18 November 1999 18:06 Subject: Re: HW November 99 tour review (tapes) >> Milton Keynes is without doubt the best gig (and I suppose the best gig >> from this mini tour). >> Absolute highlights are SPIRIT OF THE AGE and MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE > > >Is it good enough to put on cdr and make a tree for those interested? >Anybody interested? > From flossbac at NLCI.COM Fri Nov 19 21:59:01 1999 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 21:59:01 -0500 Subject: HW Recent v Old Message-ID: > As the newbie to the group (dontcha find you lose the fun when you cant say > that any more.....time to move on) where was I.... oh yeah > > >From the compilation releases, various posts by quantity, both here and > other groups/newsgroups and general vibe (good word, now sadly fallen into > underuse) it seems that most Hawkfans, of both heavyweight and occasional > variety are mainly into the older stuff. Popularity seems to be in > chronological order up to Levitation, then it tails off. I must say that I have been really pleased with most of the post-1980 Hawkwind output. I know that people on this list tend to attack some of the most recent material, but honestly I think it's among the best! Palace Springs, for example, is sometimes my favorite HW album. It Is The Business Of The Future To Be Dangerous is also a fave! And I must say that In Your Area has really been expanding my mind lately! I have nothing unfavorable to say about the old "traditional" United Artists HW--of course it's great--but so is the new stuff. Sometimes I feel as if a lot of folks are just stuck in a musical timewarp regarding HW, and they can't get out of 1973. Wow--the thing that amazes me about this band is how they keep blowing my mind wide open with every new record. I have been holding my breath waiting for a bad album to come along to signal the downfall of the band, but it never happens! They have earned my unflagging trust. This is quality material. Granted, there have been a few lapses IMHO--for example, "Song of the Swords" from COTBS tests my patience at times, as if with this song HW wanted to be a metal band (something they never really were). Overall, HW has been more consistently great than any band I can think of..... John Majka http://www.nlci.com/users/flossbac/hawkwind.html From flossbac at NLCI.COM Fri Nov 19 22:11:32 1999 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 22:11:32 -0500 Subject: OFF : Tangerine Dream Message-ID: > > P.P.P.S. I'm ignoring Tangerine Dream because I don't know enough about > > them...I see merit in their first 'rock' album (Electronic Meditation), but > > I was bored with 'Zeit.' Tangerine Dream has long been one of my obsessions. The band is pretty much useless now (and has been for quite some time-- at least a decade), but the earlier stuff is some of the greatest experimental music of all time. Until you've heard "Atem" I don't think you know the true majesty of what space rock might be-- cataclysmic stuff! A lot of the earlier tangerine dream is very intense and demands close listening to fully appreciate it--it's a very subtle music and you can tell that the musicians were RIGHT THERE with each note, feeling each note as it was played--it's not nearly as arbitrary as it might seem with a casual listen. After "Atem" the band became much more electronic and turned out the classics "Phaedra" and "Rubycon" (both of which I think are indispensable to a psychedelic education). The live album "Encore" from '77 was incredible in its peculiar balance of classically-influenced keyboard stylings and prog noodling....a masterpiece, with a beautiful and melancholy sequenced coda at the end! After this, the band was beginning to show the first signs of a long ailment....But basically, in my opinion everything up to 1983 is generally pretty good. "Thief" kind of sucked and so did "Exit" (except for one or two songs), but the rest of the albums are pretty good from that time period. There would even be a few bright spots later with the opening track on "Underwater Sunlight" and the "Livemiles" album, but then TD really started to stink beyond anyone's imagining--on the same level of total new age shite as Yanni and whatever else is out there. PS--the edgar froese solo albums are very nice too, particularly "Epsilon in Malaysian Pale" which has some very pretty mellotron. John Majka http://www.nlci.com/users/flossbac/hawkwind.html From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Sat Nov 20 00:13:32 1999 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 00:13:32 EST Subject: tygers mention Message-ID: ted: didn't send this to boc-l; if you think it should be posted, feel free. sykes is in thin lizzy. yes you read right. gorham, downey and sykes, along with tony franklin (i think that's his name, bass player in blue murder and the firm) tour occaisionally in europe as thin lizzy. sykes sings lead. phil spins in his grave. i have a friend who flew to london in '98 to see them; he said they were great. fine. but they weren't thin lizzy. lizzy w/o phil = motorhead w/o lemmy. ridiculous. rmayo From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Nov 20 05:32:49 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 05:32:49 EST Subject: HW:let's do the time warp again ^_~ Message-ID: In a message dated 11/19/99 10:01:15 PM, flossbac at NLCI.COM writes: << Sometimes I feel as if a lot of folks arejust stuck in a musical timewarp regarding HW, and they can't get out of1973. Wow--the thing that amazes me about this band is how they keep blowing my mind wide open with every new record. I have been holding my breath waiting for a bad album to come along to signal the downfall of the band, but it never happens! They have earned my unflagging trust. This is quality material.>> ======= sigh.... i'm sure they're grateful for your 'unflagging trust'. me, i dont think i'm stuck in '73. stuff either moves one or it doesnt. i've been moved by precious little HW since "warrior on the edge of time". which isnt to say =none=. despite that, i would rhetorically stand by them far beyond other bands who've won and lost my 'favor' (as if any of 'em care whether or not they have my 'favor') just on general principle. i guess i presume to therefore have the right to bitch about 'em, heh... "<>" From henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sat Nov 20 05:45:13 1999 From: henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:45:13 +0100 Subject: SV: HW : New CDs Message-ID: Oops! I thought these cd?s were from Lone Wolf??? Looks very much the same to me!!! Cheers Hawkswede > Just received this info this morning with Hawkzone N!20 : > > > A QUARK NIGHT IN PARIS(Live la salle Pleyel 23/4/77):Reefer Madness/Hassan I > Sahba/Forge Of Vulcan/Brainstorm/Wind Of Change/Steppenwolf/Spirit Of The Age/ > Damnation Alley/Iron Dream/Waiting For My Man/Master Of The Universe.Welcome. > > ATOMHENGE 76(Live At The Colston Hall,Bristol 27/9/76):Reefer Madness/Paradox/ > Chronoglide Skyway /Brainstorm/Wind Of Change /Steppenwolf /Uncle SamUs On > Mars/ Time For Sale/Back On The Streets/Kerb Crawler. > > LIVE AT THE KINETIC PLAYGROUND(6/12/71):Technicians Of Spaceship Earth/You > ShouldnUt Do That/You Know YouUre Only Dreamin/Master Of The Universe > /Paranoia/Silver Machine/Born To Go/Cosmic Jam(25U16S!) > > COMING OF HAWKWIND(Live At Newcastle 11/12/73):Coming Of Hawkwind/Brainbox > Pollution/The Wizard Blew His Horn/Lord Of Light /Brainstorm/Seven By > Seven/YouUd Better Believe It/D- Rider/The Watcher/Warrior At The Edge Of > Time/Master OfThe Universe. > > AGENTS OF CHAOS - TIME TRAVELLERS(Camden 16/11/88):The Right Stuff/Death Trap/ > Damnation Alley/All Along The Watchtower/Motorway City/Living On A Knife Edge/ > Lost Chronicles/City Of Tiny Lights/Unknown(unreleased track)/Psi Power/Shot > Down In The Night/Brainstorm(encore). > > CALVERT/MOORCOCK - THE HAWKWIND CONNECTION (s lection de demos):Greenfly & The > Rose/Lord Of The Hornets/Revenge/Fascism & Futurism/Bugatti/Isadora/Messenger > And Morpheus /Solstice /S tranger In A Strange Land /Steppenwolf (Calvert) > Another Quiet Day In Auschwitz/Starcruiser/Dodgem Dude/Brothel In > Rosenstrasse/Good Girl,Bad Girl/Time Centre/My New Knife/Peter The > Vulture/Into, Mental/Harlequin (Moorcock). > > CALVERT - AN EVENING WITH THE ACTION MAN(live Leicester 11/6/86):Ned Ludd 3/ > Acid Rain/Work Song/Re-Wind/Ship Of Fools/Damnation Alley/All The Machines Are > Quiet/Orgone Accumulator/Evil Rock/Lord Of The Hornets.( Londres > 1/11/87):Catch A Falling Starfighter/Gremlin/Aerospaceage > Inferno/Quark,Strangeness And Ch arm/Radio Egypt/Working In A Diamond Mine/Days > Of The Underground. > > Et encore TEXT OF FESTIVAL - UNDISCLOSED FILES - CALIFORNIA BRAINSTORM - UK > WINTER TOUR 79(avec Tim Blake) - STASIS - THE BUSINESS TRIP. > > Contact:ALCHEMY MAIL ORDER Po Box 91.Edgware,London.HA8 OYO.England. > Tel:fax:0181 959 6092. > > Chaque Cd:12 livres.Charges postales:50p.le premier - 30p.par Cd > suppl mentaire. > > > > /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > Olivier Boigey > mailto:olivier_boigey at technolink.org > http://www.bwaje.claranet.fr > /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > > - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From jgoran at TELEBOT.COM Sat Nov 20 06:55:08 1999 From: jgoran at TELEBOT.COM (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 12:55:08 +0100 Subject: BRAIN, BOC: what a piece of work Piece of Work is In-Reply-To: <83FF93F8.9256E776@mindspring.com> Message-ID: Albert Bouchard wrote in <83FF93F8.9256E776 at mindspring.com>: >For us that is the Castle Phaser, an effects box from the early 70's. We used it >on both Confession #9 and Pink Roses. Something's wrong with the date on your computer, Al. In the header you have: "Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1904 22:26:01 -0800", and in the list, the message is dated 01.01.1970. Did you recently give it to Imaginos to plan the WW1, and he brough it back to you before you started the BOC career of evil? ;-))) -- Goran From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Sat Nov 20 07:31:01 1999 From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 13:31:01 +0100 Subject: Nik, ICU and a TIP on getting yuor hands on all ICU recordings Message-ID: myself i liked the icu version better, but still a good album ....btw: -in this is a tip for anyone interested in c hecking out icu! - have you payed a visit to steve pond's icu page (yup, he played as well) where u can order the COMPLETE recordings and videos on one .mp3 disk? i did (low price), and it rocked! (i only had 3 icu albums - all i could get my hands on....). ok, back to "prophets...": "bones of elvis", in it's original form, sounds better. mho. end of commercial. *grin* haze is a phase, ketil svendsen, norway ketil.svendsen at fiskaren.nhst.no >I may be biased in favor of 'Prophets >of Time' since I like those Inner City Unit songs so much From timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Nov 20 07:26:59 1999 From: timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Tim Stephenson) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 12:26:59 -0000 Subject: HW Recent v Old Message-ID: >6 years doesnt qualify as 'from way back' compared to 27 years, for one thing. Where'd you get six from? 24 actually. >without dissing your opinion, imho "space ritual" blows away those other lp's >combined, and then some. Well that was the point of my post! Most peeps seem to think this. Well I prefer the new stuff - ya boo sucks Tim From timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Nov 20 08:29:34 1999 From: timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Tim Stephenson) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 13:29:34 -0000 Subject: HW Recent v Old Message-ID: Thanks John for your comments. I feel exactly this way. Tim >I have nothing unfavorable to say about the old "traditional" United Artists HW--of course it's great--but so is the new stuff. Sometimes I feel as if a lot of folks are just stuck in a musical timewarp regarding HW, and they can't get out of 1973. Wow--the thing that amazes me about this band is how they keep blowing my mind wide open with every new record. From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sat Nov 20 09:01:29 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 15:01:29 +0100 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: <005d01bf335c$e367c620$7e2f883e@timsteph> Message-ID: Hi there, let's start a poll with the question: What is your favorite HAWKWIND period/year ? My favorite HW year is: 1989 Bernhard From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK Sat Nov 20 09:08:42 1999 From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (David Bottomley) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 14:08:42 -0000 Subject: HW: Live at Glastonbury 1990 Message-ID: This dropped thorugh my letterbox this morning - it now has a revised rear CD insert with correct track listing (as someone posted earlier). Looks like we have another Kollectors' item in the making..... Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dave -----Original Message----- From: Doug Pearson To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 19 November 1999 23:50 Subject: Re: HW: NIK: Nik's Sphynx album >On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 22:15:52 +0000, Dave Berry wrote: >>At 01:09 19/11/99 , flossbac wrote: >>>Wow Doug, it's crazy how opinions vary, because I've always thought the >>>Sphynx CD (Cleopatra version) was WAY better than Prophets of Time. > >That's one of the things I love most about boc-l is being able to share >opinions that we strongly disagree on - at least we can all agree on being >Hawkwind fans, and that's about it! I may be biased in favor of 'Prophets >of Time' since I like those Inner City Unit songs so much (although the >only one that betters the original IMO is "Stonehenge Who Knows", purely >for Simon House's violin soloing). But 'Prophets' sounds like a much more >coherent effort to me, like something approaching a "real" band. Too much >of 'Sphynx' sounds to me like musicians screwing around in the studio >without much focus. I can do that anytime I want and make my own noise, >dammit :^). And Nik's vocals sound "phoned-in" (which they essentially >were, actually) on both albums, although more so (IMO, of course) on >'Sphynx'. Of course, if you can't stand 'Prophets' because of the voice of >Genesis P. Orridge being all over it, I certainly won't disagree with you >on THAT :^). > >>I'm with John on this. I found most of Prophets of Time very >disappointing. Past or >>Future was better, but still wasn't great. Sphynx beats both of them, >IMO, especially >>"Thoth". > >I agree that "Thoth" is the best track on 'Sphynx' (except see below), but >I think the full-band version on 'Space Ritual 94' utterly blows it away. >I guess I'm a bit surprised that you don't like the live albums as much. I >think that's where the Nik/Pressurehed band really shines, for a number of >reasons: 1) Nik has an audience to perform for, which brings out the >consummte entertainer in him, 2) songs don't sound like everyone is playing >along with a click track (the same complaint someone was recently making >about HW songs like "Blue Skin" and "Space is Their Palestine"), 2.5) real >drums, 3) crunchier guitars (but like I said before, I'm a big Helios >Creed/Chrome fan, and IMO he added his own character to the SR94 band's in >a very positive way - no one else sounds like him on guitar), 4) Del >Dettmar, still one of the best synth players alive after all these years. >Then again, there are probably just as many good reasons why I'm wrong :^). > >>There's also the 1976 release of Sphynx (or rather "Xitintoday", by >Sphynx), but >>that's a different pyramid of mysteries. > >With Steve Hillage, Tim Blake & Mike Howlett among others, so it winds up >sounding like loose jams done by the Radio Gnome-era Gong lineup. I really >like that album (doesn't hurt that I'm a Gong fan), and I also love the >fact that Nik basically did a musical 180 over the next two years before >his next release (from the prog-influenced 'Xitintoday' to Inner City >Unit's punkish 'Passout'). > >>One of the nice things about the Cleopatra >>release, for those of us that have the 1976 version, is that the Cleopatra >release >>includes the original flute recordings from the Great Pyramid. > >I like that part a lot, and I'm glad they included it as a bonus track. >Definitely my favorite part of the Cleopatra 'Sphynx' album. > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com > From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Nov 20 08:46:23 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 13:46:23 -0000 Subject: Sphynx and Banco de Gaia Message-ID: Parts of the original Sphynx LP turn up as samples on "Soufie" by Banco de Gaia. The version I have is on the Ambient Dub Vol. 1 compilation. 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YOOOOOUU'RE an Angel Witch!" Outside my old house in Kingston, some poet had spray-canned "ANGLE" WITCH in yard high letters. Could be worse. There's an aging ex-punk round here with "THE EXPLOTED" tattooed on his arm. Any fule kno EXPLOTTED has 2 T's. -- Jon From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sat Nov 20 10:53:05 1999 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 10:53:05 EST Subject: Sphynx and Banco de Gaia Message-ID: In a message dated 11/20/99 9:11:56 AM EST, dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: << Ambient Dub Vol. 1 >> Who puts this one out? regards, Bill Stewart From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Nov 20 11:12:19 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:12:19 EST Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: In a message dated 11/20/99 9:02:22 AM, bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE writes: << My favorite HW year is: 1989 >> ============ in general, what's known as the 'lemmy era' more specifically, mid-72 to early 74. well duh "<>" From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Sat Nov 20 12:16:40 1999 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (Sen. Volstead) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:16:40 -0600 Subject: OFF: alien sex fiend Message-ID: I was in a used record store, contemplating whether or not it was a good idea to buy another Farflung album because I liked the picture on the cover- when over the music system I heard what sounded eerily similar to Farflung itself, accompanied by Nik Turner on sax (It reminded me of what i'd heard at SD99). After standing there for about 20 seconds i decided it could only be that line-up, or otherwise someone imitating or paying tribute, and doing a damn good job for that matter. So as you'd expect I went up to the desk and made an inquiry. The lady told me it was "Alien Sex Fiend", and had not heard of Nik turner or FarFlung (nor did she know the name of the saxophone player). It turned out she was a great fan, but I didn't want to try to extract any more information, since I knew I would eventually start babbling about Nik Turner (still high from strange daze concert, you see). I'd heard of Alien Sex Fiend before, but really knew nothing about them. Somehow I'd catalogued them as a typical gothy pop band, probably as a result of my opinion (of the musical tastes) of whomever I had originally heard the name from. This all happened more than two months ago, but I didn't think of reacting until now. A search I did just a second ago found no downloadable recordings, or song titles I recognized, but I did find that they are on a compilation with Nik Turner and Pressurhed. Interesting too, that their front-man is "Nik Fiend". Some biographical information, and they're starting to look very interesting to me. I'm very surprised now that I'd never come across them elsewhere. Does anyone like/dislike these people or have any comments, useful or otherwise? hey, they covered silvermachine as well! From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sat Nov 20 11:23:07 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:23:07 -0500 Subject: SV: HW : New CDs In-Reply-To: <00e701bf3344$542a1520$db70143e@hawkswede> Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Nov 1999, Henrik wrote: => Oops! => => I thought these cd?s were from Lone Wolf??? => Looks very much the same to me!!! They are. Welcome to the savage world of bootlegging, where apparently there is no honour amongst thieves... ;-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I don't live today; maybe tomorrow..." --- James Marshall Hendrix From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Sat Nov 20 12:32:22 1999 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (Sen. Volstead) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:32:22 -0600 Subject: OFF : Tangerine Dream Message-ID: An appropriate article from The Onion, on the subject of New Age music... http://www.theonion.com/onion3525/todays_new_age.html From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Nov 20 11:40:41 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 16:40:41 -0000 Subject: Sphynx and Banco de Gaia Message-ID: Originally by Beyond Records Ambient Dub Vol 1 - The Big Chill Cat No RBADB01 (1982) Dave -----Original Message----- From: Bill Stewart To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 20 November 1999 15:54 Subject: Re: Sphynx and Banco de Gaia >In a message dated 11/20/99 9:11:56 AM EST, dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK >writes: > ><< Ambient Dub Vol. 1 >> >Who puts this one out? >regards, >Bill Stewart > From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Sat Nov 20 12:55:53 1999 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (Sen. Volstead) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:55:53 -0600 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: My favorite Hunnish War year is 362 From micci at SCI.FI Sat Nov 20 12:18:34 1999 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 19:18:34 +0200 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: Hi there, >let's start a poll with the question: > >What is your favorite HAWKWIND period/year ? >My favorite HW year is: 1989 >Bernhard My favorite is too ?89, but maybe ?96 or 74 or... Damn, all 30 years! :-)) NP:HW-04.10.89, Minneapolis (well, this is really good) Okay, ?89 then. Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sat Nov 20 12:11:56 1999 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 12:11:56 EST Subject: OFF: alien sex fiend Message-ID: In a message dated 11/20/99 11:21:04 AM EST, antisol at SOFTHOME.NET writes: << Does anyone like/dislike these people or have any comments, useful or otherwise? >> I think Cleopatra Records carry their back catalogue. From what i've heard, they are great in concert . regards, Bill Stewart From sprawl at STARPOWER.NET Sat Nov 20 12:35:51 1999 From: sprawl at STARPOWER.NET (Sprawl) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 12:35:51 -0500 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: Not applicable. Or Whichever is represented by the last CD or tape I played. RJ -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Pospiech To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Saturday, November 20, 1999 9:13 AM Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll >Hi there, > >let's start a poll with the question: > >What is your favorite HAWKWIND period/year ? > > > >My favorite HW year is: 1989 > > >Bernhard From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Nov 20 13:33:29 1999 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (IAN ABRAHAMS) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 18:33:29 -0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: Hmm, interesting question Bernhard. What do we mean when we judge a period? Recording output? Stage work? Or both? If, say, Warrior is your favourite album but the first gig you saw was Black Sword how can the period be judged? As HW is such an audio visual experience you can't even get there from just listening to tapes. But, recording wise: 76/77 (am I the only person who views Astounding Sounds as the bands finest hour/most neglected work?) Live: 89/91 (which proves the point. 1990 Space Bandits album has it's moments but not great, Space Bandits tour - wonderful) Ian Abrahams ian at abrahamsi.freeserve.co.uk Bernhard wrote: > let's start a poll with the question: > > What is your favorite HAWKWIND period/year ? > > > > My favorite HW year is: 1989 > > > Bernhard > From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Nov 20 13:44:55 1999 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 18:44:55 +0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > > Hi there, > > let's start a poll with the question: > > What is your favorite HAWKWIND period/year ? What a question! 1969 onwards I guess! Though as far as albums go I'll always have a preference for the first album and In Search of Space as being completely unique in the face of all the other music I was listening to at the time. But then I think Astounding Sounds is a terrific album and I've liked the recent stuff as well (with the possible exception of Back In the Box and TV Suicide) especially during the techno/trance phase, Space Bandits being high on my enjoy list along with most of It is The Business Of The Future To Be Dangerous. But then I've always reckoned that there are two Hawkwinds running in parallel - studio Hawkwind and live-on-stage-Hawkwind and it's only every now and again that the two co-incide - notably in Space Ritual, Live Chronicles and Business Trip. Better stop here! jill -- ====================================================================== Jill Strobridge or J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk ====================================================================== From timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Nov 20 13:40:51 1999 From: timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Tim Stephenson) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 18:40:51 -0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: >What is your favorite HAWKWIND period/year ? My favorite HW period is: Alien4/Love in Space Tim From timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Nov 20 13:45:21 1999 From: timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Tim Stephenson) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 18:45:21 -0000 Subject: OFF: Farflung Message-ID: Sorry - dont know anything about ASF. Was given 25,000 feet per second by Farflung recently (thanks Keith). Pretty good. What other Farflung albums are recommended? Tim From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Nov 20 14:35:48 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 14:35:48 EST Subject: HW: NIK: Nik's Sphynx album Message-ID: In a message dated 11/19/99 3:49:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, ceres at SIRIUS.COM writes: > I like that part a lot, and I'm glad they included it as a bonus track. > Definitely my favorite part of the Cleopatra 'Sphynx' album. > ---Alright, Doug, when we meet in person next week, we can really have it out. As you said, we can disagree on everything but that we're HW fans (or in this case Nik fans, though of course we know there are plenty on this list inherently opposed to all the Nik albums out of principle, right?). Anyway, I love the Cleo Sphynx...until the flute part, which puts me to sleep. Hmmm...but talk about vibe...I'm sure if I got to hear it while sitting in the Pyramid myself, it'd be a different story.) Anyway, I don't see how Sphynx sounds in/un?cohesive. Seems to have a nice ebb and flow to me between nice mellow bits and rockin' tunes. It sounds like a band to me (though I know it isn't) and I even like Nik's spoken vox quite a bit (hey imagine how much worse the album might have been if he'd sung!! He's a better speaker than singer, maybe most can agree on that). Anyway, honorable mention to "God Rock", my fave from the album, nice slice of ambience... PS: don't have Xitintoday yet, but I thought it was released in '78, not '76?? Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Nov 20 14:49:25 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 14:49:25 EST Subject: OFF : Tangerine Dream Message-ID: In a message dated 11/19/99 7:13:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, flossbac at NLCI.COM writes: > electronic and turned out the classics "Phaedra" and "Rubycon" (both of > which I think are indispensable to a psychedelic education). ---Yeah, these might be my favorite TD albums, even if Julian Cope would lynch me for saying so. Even Stratosphere is pretty good; that's the latest I have. The live album > "Encore" from '77 was incredible in its peculiar balance of> > "Thief" kind of sucked and so did "Exit" (except for one or two songs), ---Woudn't that be all or most of the album?? :) . PS--the edgar froese solo albums are very > nice too, particularly "Epsilon in Malaysian Pale" which has some very > pretty mellotron. > John Majka ---I heard "Panorphelia" (from Aqua) on the Virgin Ambient comp and freaked; subsequently picked up Aqua and Epsilon and didn't find anything on either to match it (except for "it" itself :). As for the first four albums--there are parts that I like love, but overall have a hard time staying focused, esp Zeit...but having read that that's the point, I'll continue to listen. One of those bands I've been obsessed w/liking, trying ever so hard to do so; it sounds _good_ or "right" but sometimes just fails to hit me where it counts -- in the gut. BTW, is there a Krautrock e-mail mailing list? I assume so... Chuck From hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU Sat Nov 20 14:58:56 1999 From: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU (Thomas Rickert) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 13:58:56 -0600 Subject: OFF: Farflung Message-ID: I recently purchased Farflung's *The Belief Module*, and I can't stop playing it. Long, amorphous but tuneful songs mixed with shorter tunes. Lots of guitar, but nice synth passages and effects, too. Not to mention a short bit of birds singing! A good deal like Pressurehed, but with more expansive, organic songs--in other words, more Hawkwind-like (ala Brainstorm). Personally, I like them better than Pressurehed. I'm interested in exploring their catalog further--what can you say about *25,000 Feet per Second*? Tim Stephenson wrote: > Sorry - dont know anything about ASF. Was given 25,000 feet per second by > Farflung recently (thanks Keith). Pretty good. What other Farflung albums > are recommended? > > Tim From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Nov 20 15:08:53 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 15:08:53 EST Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: In a message dated 11/20/99 8:13:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: > << My favorite HW year is: 1989 >> > ============ > in general, what's known as the 'lemmy era' > more specifically, mid-72 to early 74. > '72 in partic for me--look what recordings that single year encompasses--all the Glastonbury/Greasy material, DFL and SR! What other year had such quantity and quality? Chuck From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Nov 20 15:12:21 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 20:12:21 +0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: <199911201402.PAA18858@mail.home.ins.de> Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Nov 1999, Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > let's start a poll with the question: > > What is your favorite HAWKWIND period/year ? > > My favorite HW year is: 1989 1996/7, largely because unlike previous years, I was there for it. The earlier eras are also great, but they're just recordings to me whereas I saw this one. Yours, Jon From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Nov 20 15:15:29 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 20:15:29 +0000 Subject: Nik Turner and Steve Hillage In-Reply-To: <00b401bf3360$eec925a0$9e1e883e@default> Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Nov 1999, david hall wrote: > Does Nik appear on the Steve Hillage LP "Green"? He gets a name check on > the inner sleeve; on 'The Glorius Om Riff' it sounds as if there is a > sax (or similar). You reckon? He's not mentioned on the CD liner, and I didn't notice a sax. I think one of the other musicians on it does do wind stuff also, guy with a Middle Eastern name. I shall be vexed if you're right since I bought it for the girlfriend and should have bought it for me... Yours, Jon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Nov 20 15:17:08 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 15:17:08 EST Subject: OFF: Farflung Message-ID: In a message dated 11/20/99 11:51:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU writes: > I'm interested in exploring their catalog > further--what can you say about *25,000 Feet per Second*? > A very consistent sound--awesome space-rock guitars w/all the effects. An almost punkish feel at times (released on punk/indie label Flipside!). Definitely recommended. Still trying to track down the rest myself. Chuck From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Nov 20 15:20:05 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 20:20:05 +0000 Subject: OFF: alien sex fiend In-Reply-To: <0.c8d4ff6c.2568305c@aol.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Nov 1999, Bill Stewart wrote: > << Does anyone like/dislike these people or have any comments, useful or > otherwise? >> > I think Cleopatra Records carry their back catalogue. From what i've heard, > they are great in concert . Cherry Red (current holders of the Flickknife catalogue) carry lots of their stuff. Try . Yours, Jon From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Sat Nov 20 15:21:44 1999 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 20:21:44 -0000 Subject: OT: Fw: Upcoming TLC UFO Broadcast & Music Message-ID: Received this earlier today and thought some people on the list may be interested... --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: Joel Braverman To: Sent: Saturday, November 20, 1999 7:44 PM Subject: Upcoming TLC UFO Broadcast & Music > If you are curious about Aliens, and UFO's, be sure to catch "UFO's 50 Years > Of Denial", one of the best documentaries on the subject, airing: > > Air Time(s) Eastern/Pacific Time: > > TLC - 20 Nov 1999 - 07:00 PM > > Music I composed for the video, entitled "Roswell Symphony" is available on > my website: > > http://www.mp3.com/jbrave > > Joel Braverman > > > > > > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Nov 20 15:25:04 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 20:25:04 +0000 Subject: OFF: Farflung In-Reply-To: <000301bf338d$ca89d860$215e883e@timsteph> Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Nov 1999, Tim Stephenson wrote: > Sorry - dont know anything about ASF. Was given 25,000 feet per second by > Farflung recently (thanks Keith). Pretty good. What other Farflung albums > are recommended? _The Belief Module_, the latest one, is the current frontier of explored space. Sell your relatives to get it. Of the other two, _So Man Minds, So Little Time_ is a collection of pre-band, single and out-take material which is apparently OK, and _The Raven That Ate The Moon_ is truly badly pressed (no-one knows how may tracks there actually are, the CD saying 4 and the liner listing six but referring to guests on Nos. 7 & 8... ), and has some amazing mind-expanding improv. stuff, but never really settles down to anything apart from the twenty-five minute tacky synth loop it runs off with. Only for the brave. Yours, Jon From henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sat Nov 20 14:47:43 1999 From: henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 20:47:43 +0100 Subject: SV: Re: SV: HW : New CDs Message-ID: Hi again! Bootlegging a bootleg, that?s something:-)))). Ah, well that?s life! > On Sat, 20 Nov 1999, Henrik wrote: > > => Oops! > => > => I thought these cd?s were from Lone Wolf??? > => Looks very much the same to me!!! > > They are. Welcome to the savage world of bootlegging, where > apparently there is no honour amongst thieves... ;-) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "I don't live today; maybe tomorrow..." > --- James Marshall Hendrix From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Nov 20 16:06:00 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 21:06:00 +0000 Subject: HW: NIK: Nik's Sphynx album In-Reply-To: <0.7b252511.25685214@aol.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Nov 1999, Chuck Rosenberg wrote: > ---Alright, Doug, when we meet in person next week, we can really have it > out. As you said, we can disagree on everything but that we're HW fans (or in > this case Nik fans, though of course we know there are plenty on this list > inherently opposed to all the Nik albums out of principle, right?). Anyway, I > love the Cleo Sphynx...until the flute part, which puts me to sleep. > Hmmm...but talk about vibe...I'm sure if I got to hear it while sitting in > the Pyramid myself, it'd be a different story.) Anyway, I don't see how > Sphynx sounds in/un?cohesive. Seems to have a nice ebb and flow to me between > nice mellow bits and rockin' tunes. It sounds like a band to me (though I > know it isn't) and I even like Nik's spoken vox quite a bit (hey imagine how > much worse the album might have been if he'd sung!! He's a better speaker > than singer, maybe most can agree on that). Anyway, honorable mention to "God > Rock", my fave from the album, nice slice of ambience... PS: don't have > Xitintoday yet, but I thought it was released in '78, not '76?? Chuck I got _Xitintoday_ before _Sphynx_, but at the same time as a comp. with two of the latter's tracks, `Thoth' and `The Weighing of Heart... '. It also had a remix of `Horus' which I think is great. The first album is wondrous and unique, as well as being bloody odd; the remake struck me as a poor-quality cash-in and the vocals were awful. It's put me off anything Wayne James may have had a hand in. The tracks on the comp. were the best ones, and the changing of the running order knackers the original concept. I personally can't understand how anyone would prefer the 1993 version, but then I'm not as much the trance-follower as the kraut-rocker on this one and _Sphynx_ is the former, _Xitintoday_ the latter. Yours, Jon ObCD: v/a - _Subculture Vol. 2_ (Wicked Wonderland - `Material Stupidity') From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Sat Nov 20 16:04:57 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 22:04:57 +0100 Subject: SV: Re: SV: HW : New CDs In-Reply-To: <000201bf339a$841349e0$a670143e@hawkswede> Message-ID: > > Bootlegging a bootleg, thats something:-)))). Ah, well thats life! Thats the nightmare of every Kollektor, I guess. Well, I stich to the "originals", in wich case that can give you some headaches. --BArt From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Nov 20 16:24:17 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 21:24:17 +0000 Subject: OFF: Farflung In-Reply-To: <3836FD80.DF968BFB@utarlg.uta.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Nov 1999, Thomas Rickert wrote: > I recently purchased Farflung's *The Belief Module*, and I can't stop playing > it. Long, amorphous but tuneful songs mixed with shorter tunes. Lots of guitar, > but nice synth passages and effects, too. Not to mention a short bit of birds > singing! A good deal like Pressurehed, but with more expansive, organic > songs--in other words, more Hawkwind-like (ala Brainstorm). Personally, I like > them better than Pressurehed. I'm interested in exploring their catalog > further--what can you say about *25,000 Feet per Second*? _25,000 Feet per Second_ is much straighter HW-type stuff, with one very long piece like the _Belief Module_ stuff which is great. There isn't a bad moment on the disk, though the title track has only really got to me after hearing the Strange Daze 97 version when they bothered to make something of the riff. Yours, Jon P.S. It is mastered annoyingly quietly, but to make up for it has four sleeves to choose from :-) From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Nov 20 18:00:25 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 23:00:25 -0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: Having caught every tour since 1979 (numerous gigs on some tours) and bought every official release, and having nothing better to do, here's my potted history (dates approximate) and opinion of Hawkwind 1979 - 1999. Discussion and responses welcome! The band functions best with a larger line-up. Therefore the ultimate re-union line-up. Dave Brock (guitar, vox) Huw LLoyd-Langton (guitar) Lemmy (bass, vox) Adrian Shaw (bass, vox) Nik Turner (flute, vox, no sax, no theatrics) Simon House (violin, organ, mellotron) Tim Blake (synths, vox) Simon King (drums, percussion) Richard Chadwick (drums, percussion) Mike Moorcock (poetry) Ron Tree (vox for those nippy Calvert numbers) 1979 Spanking return to form. Simon King sums it up in an interview "this time without the prima donnas". Gigs were a full on sonic assault. Two guitars, DB out the front, Simon K. on the tubs, Tim Blake - cosmic. 1980 Live 79 (superb but, did we need Silver Machine on it - no, did we need it shortened by an explosion - no) released, Shot Down In The Night looks like a top 5 cert. Implosion alert! Simon King booted out-why? Levitation released, superb. Ginger Baker now on the drums. not right for HW say many letters to Sounds Rock mag. Implosion Alert! number two - Tim Blake out. Tour okay ace slideshow High point - HL-L guitar work Lows - no Tim Blake (synths were never as good again), no Simon King and a frigging drum solo during Brainstorm. Ginger not powerful enough for HW. 'tis a pity the Live 79 line-up did not continue. 1981 - 1982 The RCA years, studio output failed to match the band live. You might be able to get one good LP out of Sonic Attack, Masques, and Church. Highs: Angel Of Death, Fahrenheit 451, Rocky Paths, Living On A Knife Edge. Martin Griffin on drums on short term basis. Although many suspect it is Dave banging the biscuit tins in the studio, because that's what it sounds like. Simon King almost rejoins, a photo with him and the band from 1982? features in Hawkfan. Various rumours as to why this didn't happen. Live - the band are storming, although a keyboard player was required. Nik T guests on Masques tour. Sonic Attack tour sees the projections blossoming. The dancers return for the Masques tour. 1983 - 1984 Studio output - dodgy. Nik T back in the band. Live the band are storming when Nik plays at being part of a band and not the front man. Flute playing - ace, spoken word - okay. Sax and theatrics - sonic farting (fans pissed off in droves). Lemmy rumoured to be joining for the Earth Ritual tour - but is a no-show. Dead Fred (ex ICU) on organ and violin. Alan Davey arrives at a later point. (Early to mid '80s sees the advent of the Dave Brock chug-a-chug keyboard bass line; still in use in 1999!) 1985 The Black Sword Tour Return to form in studio and live. Moorcock guests at Hammersmith. Band on form. 1986 Live LP released -spiffing. 1986 - 1989 The Curse Of The Blacksword methinks. Mess with Elric's mighty blade and it will suck your soul. Lack of quality control on all fronts. Dave and Alan start to hide behind stacks of keyboard. Huw leaves....or rather fades away, or was he faded out? 1989 The return of Simon House. Gigs are fantastic - get these shows out on CD now!!!!! 1990 Space Bandits - apart from "Out Of The Shadows" - crap. Sorry, but there it is. Bridgett doesn't cut it in the studio, and live isn't just irritating, is in fact dreadful (nothing this bad is seen until Rizz). 1990/1? Tim Blake guests. 1991 - 1994 The trio years. Palace Springs (live with Bridgett, Simon H and Harvey) - average; although Treadmill excellent. 1992 Electric Tepee released generally good. Best LP since Black Sword, would have been excellent with a bit of editing (Right To Decide and Secret Agent HW classics). 1993 "It Is The Business....." studio released, patchy but interesting. 1994 "The Business Trip" live set released. Good Live the band are good, when they let it rip (Dave especially when he decides to leave the keys for the guitar). Have a habit of letting the synths chug away which breaks the momentum. But Richard gives it welly in an attempt to retain balance!! Continue the habit of keyboard versions of old songs (Golden Void)...stop it, and insist on playing a truely awful 'reggae' thing, ditchthat too (Lee 'Scratch' Perry it isn't)! Alan and Dave, especially Dave, now almost static behind the keyboard high-rise. Alert: stagnation possible! Time for a change (line-up expansion required). 1995 - 1996 Ron Tree arrives. Alien gigs excellent. Alien 4 and Love In Space better than Electric Tepee. Alan Davey leaves. 1997 Distant Horizons released. Disappointing, or maybe expctations were too high, to say the least. Live it is a mixed affair; Dave invisible at the back. A friend says to me after the gig "I thought Dave Brock was still in the band". Rizz; get him to ****!!! Is the general opinion. Line-up review required. 1999 ?????? -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Pospiech To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 20 November 1999 14:02 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll >Hi there, > >let's start a poll with the question: > >What is your favorite HAWKWIND period/year ? > > > >My favorite HW year is: 1989 > > >Bernhard > From lwitt1 at USWEST.NET Sat Nov 20 18:21:55 1999 From: lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 17:21:55 -0600 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: > Bridgett doesn't cut it in the studio, and live isn't just irritating, > is in fact dreadful Grrr. From timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Nov 20 16:55:00 1999 From: timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Tim Stephenson) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 21:55:00 -0000 Subject: OFF: Farflung Message-ID: 25,000 feet. Err yeah...well. i'm crap at explaining the sound of groups/albums. The HW influence is obvious. I wouldnt describe it as Brainstorm like though. Its not as frenetic. Much of the album has a spacey/ambient quality, but with lots of Brock style driving guitar too. If I had to (Flame defences on standby) I'd say a HW/Tang Dream crossover with a teeny bit of punk thrown in. The track Landing on Cygonia is awesome. I'd recommend it for this alone, but the whole album is good too. Jon - thanks for the comments on the other albums Tim np - Farflung, Landing on Cygonia (its a coincidence - really!) From sprawl at STARPOWER.NET Sat Nov 20 20:12:20 1999 From: sprawl at STARPOWER.NET (Sprawl) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 20:12:20 -0500 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Dan Witt To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Saturday, November 20, 1999 6:28 PM Subject: Re: HW: Recent v Old / Poll >> Bridgett doesn't cut it in the studio, and live isn't just irritating, >> is in fact dreadful > > >Grrr. And I'll second that grrrr. With an extra r. ;) Rj From sprawl at STARPOWER.NET Sat Nov 20 20:26:42 1999 From: sprawl at STARPOWER.NET (Sprawl) Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 20:26:42 -0500 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: david hall To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Saturday, November 20, 1999 6:22 PM Subject: Re: HW: Recent v Old / Poll >1990 >Space Bandits - apart from "Out Of The Shadows" - crap. Sorry, but there it >is. Bridgett doesn't cut it in the studio, and live isn't just irritating, >is in fact dreadful ^^^ (((FACT?!?!?!?))) >(nothing this bad is seen until Rizz). You made some good points, but what you've said here (and later in your 1998 section,) is just.. well, I'm sure what you meant was that you don't -like- Rizz and Bridgett. That's fine, but I don't remember seeing a poll on whether either of them was (generally) liked or disliked, and I know that I wasn't asked.. There are certainly things that I don't care for in each of their styles, and admit that the addition of each to the lineup was drastic change. But that is what the band is famous for. We would all LOVE to pick our own ideal line-ups, I am sure. But that would be sort of like telling your favorite novelist what to write, and then trying to get some enjoyment out of reading it... Or using cheat codes in video games... or not. heheheh Anyway, I like them both. And I like Ron. But I REALLY, REALLY miss Alan. Rj From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sat Nov 20 20:48:15 1999 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (PatrickC) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 11:48:15 +1000 Subject: OFF: alien sex fiend Message-ID: Solely on the basis that ASF had done an excellent version of `Echoes' on the Saucerful of Pink album, and the compilation I saw had Silver Machine on it I bought it - and was extremely disappointed. The version of Silver Machine they do has scratchy guitars and Nik Fiends voice is akin to a cat being garotted (IMHO) i.e. they are more a dodgy Cleopatra goth band than a punk/space band. -Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Sen. Volstead To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Sunday, 21 November 1999 2:26 Subject: OFF: alien sex fiend >I was in a used record store, contemplating whether or not it was a good >idea to buy another Farflung album because I liked the picture on the >cover- when over the music system I heard what sounded eerily similar to >Farflung itself, accompanied by Nik Turner on sax (It reminded me of >what i'd heard at SD99). >After standing there for about 20 seconds i decided it could only be >that line-up, or otherwise someone imitating or paying tribute, and >doing a damn good job for that matter. So as you'd expect I went up to >the desk and made an inquiry. The lady told me it was "Alien Sex Fiend", >and had not heard of Nik turner or FarFlung (nor did she know the name >of the saxophone player). It turned out she was a great fan, but I >didn't want to try to extract any more information, since I knew I would >eventually start babbling about Nik Turner (still high from strange daze >concert, you see). > >I'd heard of Alien Sex Fiend before, but really knew nothing about them. >Somehow I'd catalogued them as a typical gothy pop band, probably as a >result of my opinion (of the musical tastes) of whomever I had >originally heard the name from. > >This all happened more than two months ago, but I didn't think of >reacting until now. > >A search I did just a second ago found no downloadable recordings, or >song titles I recognized, but I did find that they are on a compilation >with Nik Turner and Pressurhed. Interesting too, that their front-man is >"Nik Fiend". Some biographical information, and they're starting to look >very interesting to me. I'm very surprised now that I'd never come >across them elsewhere. > >Does anyone like/dislike these people or have any comments, useful or >otherwise? > >hey, they covered silvermachine as well! > From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Nov 21 01:42:00 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 01:42:00 EST Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: In a message dated 11/20/99 6:03:22 PM, dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: << Having caught every tour since 1979 (numerous gigs on some tours) and bought every official release, and having nothing better to do, here's my potted history (dates approximate) and opinion of Hawkwind 1979 - 1999. Discussion and responses welcome! >> ============== excellent. the hat tips to you, sir. i didnt give 'em much of a break t'other night; musta been the shock of that other guy casually dismissing "space in ritual" in favor of the last few years of HW. i thought the trio was second only to the 'lemmy era'. the 'lemmy era' (tossing in "ISOS") honestly was life-changing stuff for me, and a measurable factor in my leaving home at 18 to try to be a musician and have a band...culminating in Das Ludicroix kinda evoking that sound at Strange Daze last summer. ('culminating' in the sense of my 'relationship' w/HW, not my =koff= musical 'career') it's not possible to experience contemporary HW like i did when i was a teenag er. the best of it i 'understand' in a different way now, because i more or less understand what they're doing technically in order to sound they way they have.. i am no longer 'mystified'. way back when, "astounding sounds" was a huge disappointment to me. and i stopped following them altogether when simon king left. i'd take note of their continued existense in the newspaper. i didnt hear most of the '80s stuff until i 'came back' in '91. while i know a lot of people here revere "live chronicles", (ducking), in the late '80s i bought the cassette, played one side, and gave it away. sorry. i was very pleased when brock took over lead guitar again. 'electric teepee' and 'business of the future' were pretty cool. give 'em credit for this almost-contemporary current sound if you like, but....actually i dont mind that capt rizz 'toasting' stuff in its more familiar context, but in HW i cannot-stand-it. i like the new 2nd guitarist, dont have much use for ron tree though. sorry. blah blah blah.... i suppose other folks in other fields have moments of nostalgia for the days before the 'process' which once enthralled them had been 'demystified'. i dont mean it in a rueful way; but being part of the 'process' yourself is not the same as being enthralled by it. ideally one passes on the feeling that moved them in the first place. =========== 1:41 am me go sleep now "<>" From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sun Nov 21 02:36:20 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 08:36:20 +0100 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: <004e01bf33bd$76c94280$a683a4d8@sprawl> Message-ID: At 20:12 20.11.99 -0500, you wrote: >-----Original Message----- >From: Dan Witt >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Date: Saturday, November 20, 1999 6:28 PM >Subject: Re: HW: Recent v Old / Poll > > >>> Bridgett doesn't cut it in the studio, and live isn't just irritating, >>> is in fact dreadful >> >> >>Grrr. > > >And I'll second that grrrr. With an extra r. ;) Yes. I agree. Bridgett was phantastic !! Bernhard From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sun Nov 21 04:13:30 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 10:13:30 +0100 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: <000601bf33ab$265e4640$bd1f883e@default> Message-ID: Hi At 23:00 20.11.99 +0000, you wrote: >1979 With no doubt a great tour after RC left HW played powerfull, spacy and fast. YES! >1980 After Tim Blake left in Henley, HW lost their spacy sound but did a good job with Ginger "Bacardi" Baker. Highlights were the warmup gigs in July 1980. Didn't like Keith Hayle on Keyboard later this year after Tim Blakes departure. Worst example: HW's appeareance in German TV on 14.02.81. AWFUL >1981 - 1982 The 1980 sound continues but is going harder and faster. I like Martin Griffins powerfull drumplaying. Highlight is the Rainbow gig on 18.12.1981 Unfortunately Nik Turner returns in mid 1982 and is starting Hawkwinds musically descent!!!! >1983 - 1984 Hawkwinds bad years with chaotic gigs, no ideas and a punky images. Main responsible person: Nik Turner The November 1984 tour was OK but no highlight in the HW history. Most disappointing tour: February 1983. Hawkwinds standstill!!! >1985 Nik Turner's sacked and the spaceship Hawkwind is rising again. Phantastic show in Nov/Dec and a phantastic LIVE CHRONICALS. Huw Lloyd langton at his best >1986 The 1985 story continues but not as good as in 1985 >1987 No forthcomming in the music style. Its time for a change >1988 Great April and December 1988 tour with very good sound. Hawkwind back on course! >1989 Hawkwinds top year. Unfortunately Huw did not want to serve on the starship Hawkwind anymore but another old member returns and is bringing a fresh sound. 3 phantastic tours this year with HW's some of the best gigs they have ever done during the US tour and later the year in the UK >1990 HW continues playing exceptional gigs (25.01.90 and later the year at some festivals). A good tour in autumn without Simon House but a female voice (Bridget Wishart). One highlight she brought to the band awas the STAR SONG and of course BACK IN THE BOX >1991 HW without Dave Brock on a Europe tour!! Not as good as with the chief but it workes. The band played some of the logest gigs they have ever played (140 minutes in Athens and Rome) b.t.w. did the really played 3 hours in Stonehenge 1977 ?? May 1991 USA tour with no musically ideas. Same in October and December >1992 Phantastic tour in May as a trio. Powerfull with new material. Highpoint was SECRET AGENT >1993 The 1992 story coninues >1994 The 1993 story coninues but is getting weaker Good European tour later this year >1995 Ron Tree appears. A mixture of Robert Calvert and Nik Turner Good USA spring tour. Interesting sound later the year Alien tour which brings some highlights >1996 Ron is getting more and more over the top No new musically ideas >1997 One of the longest HW tour in their history is marked with cancelled gigs. The gigs are OK but no real highlights. Ron is still dominating >1998 Need I say more ? >1999 Its time for Ron to leave the band I think. He does not fit anymore to the sound. The mini tour in November is good but no real musically development The main core is still DAVE BROCK and RICHARD CHADWICK. With jerry Richards and Simon House, Dave should build up a new HAWKWIND !!! cheers Bernhard From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 21 04:22:44 1999 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (IAN ABRAHAMS) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 09:22:44 -0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: > > Bridgett doesn't cut it in the studio, and live isn't just irritating, > > is in fact dreadful > > > Grrr. I'm going to say at this point that Bridgett was the best thing to happen to HW, with exception possibly of Alan, in years. Space Bandits album was badly constructed (IHMO) but Black Elk Speaks made it worth the entry price. Out of The Shadows: *every* other version you will hear of this song was better than the LP version. But live: Fantastic! Isn't there a tendency to rubbish anybody doing a front(wo)man role in HW post-Calvert? Ian ian at abrahamsi.freeserve.co.uk From Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG Sun Nov 21 05:50:43 1999 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG (Olivier Boigey) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 12:50:43 +0200 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: <000201bf338d$c9c06de0$215e883e@timsteph> Message-ID: In message ID <000201bf338d$c9c06de0$215e883e at timsteph> on 20/11/99, BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List wrote: BDL> My favorite HW period is: Alien4/Love in Space BDL> BDL> Tim My favorite HW period isIthe Hawklords period, a pure Calvertesque paranoia era. Olivier /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Olivier Boigey mailto:olivier_boigey at technolink.org http://www.bwaje.claranet.fr /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Nov 21 04:58:36 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 09:58:36 -0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: <000101bf3403$5ab01a60$78a7883e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: > Isn't there a tendency to rubbish anybody doing a front(wo)man role in HW > post-Calvert? > > Ian > ian at abrahamsi.freeserve.co.uk > I suppose there is, but that's just because Bob was the best, and a real one-off. Ron's a likeable bloke, but he's no Calvert. (And I thought he looked disturbingly like Adam Ant at Croydon :) -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From g.m.wright at TINYONLINE.CO.UK Sun Nov 21 06:30:36 1999 From: g.m.wright at TINYONLINE.CO.UK (g.m.wright) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 11:30:36 -0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: My favorite HW Years 88/89 - You can't beat going on holiday to Cornwall and catching an unexpected pub gig by HW, and the studio output then was great. geoff wright g.m.wright at tinyonline.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Rosenberg To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 20 November 1999 21:00 Subject: Re: HW: Recent v Old / Poll >In a message dated 11/20/99 8:13:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, DASLUD at AOL.COM >writes: > >> << My favorite HW year is: 1989 >> >> ============ >> in general, what's known as the 'lemmy era' >> more specifically, mid-72 to early 74. >> > >'72 in partic for me--look what recordings that single year encompasses--all >the Glastonbury/Greasy material, DFL and SR! What other year had such >quantity and quality? Chuck > From g.m.wright at TINYONLINE.CO.UK Sun Nov 21 06:36:30 1999 From: g.m.wright at TINYONLINE.CO.UK (g.m.wright) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 11:36:30 -0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: IAN ABRAHAMS To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 21 November 1999 09:30 Subject: Re: HW: Recent v Old / Poll >> > Bridgett doesn't cut it in the studio, and live isn't just irritating, >> > is in fact dreadful >> >> >> Grrr. > >I'm going to say at this point that Bridgett was the best thing to happen to >HW, with exception possibly of Alan, in years. Space Bandits album was >badly constructed (IHMO) but Black Elk Speaks made it worth the entry price. >Out of The Shadows: *every* other version you will hear of this song was >better than the LP version. But live: Fantastic! > >Isn't there a tendency to rubbish anybody doing a front(wo)man role in HW >post-Calvert? > >Ian >ian at abrahamsi.freeserve.co.uk > I agree, Bridgett was good for HW, I couldn't really get into Space Bandits as much, side two (with the exception of Out of the Shadows) sounds like a compilation of individual output rather than a band effort. geoff wright g.m.wright at tinyonline.co.uk From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Nov 21 06:37:39 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 06:37:39 EST Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: In a message dated 11/21/99 4:30:25 AM, ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: << Isn't there a tendency to rubbish anybody doing a front(wo)man role in HW post-Calvert? >> =============== well, had such a person been not obliged to (attempt to) sing, it'd be another story. but in bridget's case.... and, at least in his beginning w/the band, ron tree was trying to [be] calvert, and some other folx liked it, but me.... but the above suggests a unilateral reverence for bob calvert which i do not share. and =that= is why i =never= discuss mr calvert w/y'all. is calvert the standard by which all subsequents are judged? seeing as he was their first non-playing front man, apparently. i always liked how in the early '70s there were 4 vocalists... "<>" From timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Nov 20 20:55:18 1999 From: timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Tim Stephenson) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 01:55:18 -0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: >But I REALLY, REALLY miss Alan ditto with cherries on. T From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Nov 21 06:40:14 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 06:40:14 EST Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: In a message dated 11/20/99 8:33:30 PM, sprawl at STARPOWER.NET writes: << But I REALLY, REALLY miss Alan. >> ============== y yo tambien... "<>" From brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 21 07:09:04 1999 From: brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Brian Coulthard) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 12:09:04 -0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: <000201bf338d$c9c06de0$215e883e@timsteph> Message-ID: I would say one of my fave HW years is 84 the Black Sword or may be 83 the Earth Ritual at Stonehenge or 97 I did enjoy that tour but not Distant Horizons particularly Yours undecidedly Brian From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Sun Nov 21 08:22:00 1999 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 14:22:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech schrieb: > >1981 - 1982 > The 1980 sound continues but is going harder and faster. I like Martin > Griffins powerfull drumplaying. Highlight is the Rainbow gig on 18.12.1981 > Unfortunately Nik Turner returns in mid 1982 and is starting Hawkwinds > musically descent!!!! Powerful drumplaying? He played like a robot, always the same tempo. > > >1983 - 1984 > Hawkwinds bad years with chaotic gigs, no ideas and a punky images. Main > responsible person: Nik Turner He was much better in 84. And with Dead Fred on synths and violin they were pretty good. And fun they had on stage. Clive Deamer was a great drummer again, sadly he got replaced by the worst HW drummer ever... > >1985 > Nik Turner's sacked and the spaceship Hawkwind is rising again. Though I think the Chronicle album would have been much better with Nik. He wrote some songs for the records which I?d love to hear some day. > Phantastic show in Nov/Dec and a phantastic LIVE CHRONICALS. > Huw Lloyd langton at his best All shows were the same then, no place for improvisations or longer tracks. > >1988 > Great April and December 1988 tour with very good sound. Hawkwind back on > course! The arrival of Chadwick was the turning point! > > >1989 > Hawkwinds top year. Unfortunately Huw did not want to serve on the starship > Hawkwind anymore but another old member returns and is bringing a fresh sound. > 3 phantastic tours this year with HW's some of the best gigs they have ever > done during the US tour and later the year in the UK I totally agree. Simon House is/was the best musician ever in HW. And the 89 gigs were their spaciest gigs - just perfect space rock. 10 years later they captured the same spirit again in Milton Keynes. > > >1990 > HW continues playing exceptional gigs (25.01.90 and later the year at some > festivals). A good tour in autumn without Simon House but a female voice > (Bridget Wishart). One highlight she brought to the band awas the STAR SONG > and of course BACK IN THE BOX A female voice was indeed something different. And Bridgett wasn?t that bad. > >1992 > Phantastic tour in May as a trio. Powerfull with new material. > Highpoint was SECRET AGENT No, it was LSD (or: My trouser?s are tripping, as Alan introduced this song in 91) > > >1993 > The 1992 story coninues But with more and more pre-programmed and sequenced stuff which again leaves not much place for improvisation. > >1995 > Ron Tree appears. A mixture of Robert Calvert and Nik Turner > Good USA spring tour. Interesting sound > later the year Alien tour which brings some highlights Ron Bastard wasn?t bad at the start because he didn?t play bass then. > > >1996 > Ron is getting more and more over the top > No new musically ideas And Alan left just when he reached his highest point, sadly. > >1997 > One of the longest HW tour in their history is marked with cancelled gigs. > The gigs are OK but no real highlights. Ron is still dominating And together with Rizz he is ruining most of the stuff. > > >1998 > Need I say more ? The black hole year in HW?s history. > > >1999 > Its time for Ron to leave the band I think. He does not fit anymore to the > sound. > The mini tour in November is good but no real musically development > > The main core is still DAVE BROCK and RICHARD CHADWICK. With jerry Richards > and Simon House, Dave should build up a new HAWKWIND !!! Harvey should join them too so that we would have our favourite 89 line-up again, Bernhard! Well, apart from the bass-gnome. Andreas From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sun Nov 21 08:44:18 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 14:44:18 +0100 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> >1981 - 1982 >> The 1980 sound continues but is going harder and faster. I like Martin >> Griffins powerfull drumplaying. Highlight is the Rainbow gig on 18.12.1981 >> Unfortunately Nik Turner returns in mid 1982 and is starting Hawkwinds >> musically descent!!!! > >Powerful drumplaying? He played like a robot, always the same tempo. Hey, you're talking about DANNY THOMPSON, aren't you ? >> >1985 >> Nik Turner's sacked and the spaceship Hawkwind is rising again. > >Though I think the Chronicle album would have been much better with Nik. He wrote >some songs for the records which I?d love to hear some day. I disagree! With NT the Live Chronicals would have been a totally punk disaster with chaotic sax-playing >All shows were the same then, no place for improvisations or longer tracks. There was no need for improvisations. It was a great tour with a theme (Elric). >> >1988 >> Great April and December 1988 tour with very good sound. Hawkwind back on >> course! > >The arrival of Chadwick was the turning point! The best drummer HW ever had!! >I totally agree. Simon House is/was the best musician ever in HW. And the 89 gigs >were their spaciest gigs - just perfect space rock. 10 years later they captured >the same spirit again in Milton Keynes. I agree. Simon and Harvey fit very good to the current lineup. The only intruder was Ron Tree >> >1992 >> Phantastic tour in May as a trio. Powerfull with new material. >> Highpoint was SECRET AGENT > >No, it was LSD (or: My trouser?s are tripping, as Alan introduced this song in >91) :-))) LSD was good, but SECRET AGENT was better (see: 19.05.1992) >> >1993 >> The 1992 story coninues > >But with more and more pre-programmed and sequenced stuff which again leaves not >much place for improvisation. Thats true! >Harvey should join them too so that we would have our favourite 89 line-up again, Arrrgh! How could I forget Harvey. Of course he should me a member of the new lineup!! Bernhard From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Sun Nov 21 08:26:47 1999 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 13:26:47 +0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: <000201bf3415$6d4ec6a0$9117883e@timsteph> Message-ID: At 01:55 21/11/99 , Tim Stephenson wrote: >>But I REALLY, REALLY miss Alan > >ditto with cherries on. I miss his bass playing and general drive. I can't say I miss his "singing" though. Dave. Dave Berry, www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~daveb From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Sun Nov 21 08:33:24 1999 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 13:33:24 +0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 09:58 21/11/99 , Andy Gilham wrote: >I suppose there is, but that's just because Bob was the best, and a real >one-off. Ron's a likeable bloke, but he's no Calvert. I was really pleased when Ron joined the band, not because I disliked the Trio, but because they started doing more Calvert numbers . Ron's stage presence and singing during the Alien and Love In Space tours was excellent. The absolute highlight for me was seeing Steppenwolf live again after almost 20 years. Similarly, I treasure Bridget's performance of Reefer Madness on California Brainstorm. I liked Ron on the 1997 tour as well, although I'd happily trade his bass playing for Alan's. Ron certainly is no Calvert when it comes to writing lyrics, but at least he brought some new ideas to the band for a while. He seems to be running out of ideas now though. >(And I thought he looked disturbingly like Adam Ant at Croydon :) I can't comment on that; I didn't see this tour. Dave. Dave Berry, www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~daveb From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Sun Nov 21 08:43:14 1999 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 13:43:14 +0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: <199911210914.KAA15852@mail.home.ins.de> Message-ID: At 09:13 21/11/99 , Bernhard Pospiech wrote: >The main core is still DAVE BROCK and RICHARD CHADWICK. With jerry Richards >and Simon House, Dave should build up a new HAWKWIND !!! How well do Jerry and Simon fit together? They both play lead instruments; do they clash or meld? My ideal line-up, from people still around the HW camp, would certainly include Dave, Richard and Simon, and Jerry if he and Simon can work out lead roles together. They'd need a bassist, for which Alan would be a most welcome return IMO. (Though I've no idea if Alan and Dave still speak to each other). I don't know how well Ron fitted in to the recent tour, but from what I've seen of him in earlier years I'd happily keep him as a singer. And I'd probably be happy if Harvey rejoined on keyboards, and even Nik if he promises not to sing! (Especially if he plays more flute). Somehow I can't imagine the eight of them all getting it together though, both personally and on stage! The problem with this sort of game is that it's essentially backward-looking. Maybe they'll find someone new who fits the job much better. Dave. Dave Berry, www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~daveb From sprawl at STARPOWER.NET Sun Nov 21 09:47:17 1999 From: sprawl at STARPOWER.NET (Sprawl) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 09:47:17 -0500 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll (A. Davey) Message-ID: I admit (and so has he,) that his singing voice is not the greatest, but I love the backups he provided on certain songs. And "love in space" (IMO) has not been the same song without him. Certain other songs I thought he just made. Oddly, most of them are Calvert songs. Damnation Alley, Assassins of Allah. And I think that no one can approach him on vocals in "LSD." But mostly, it was the NRG that used to pass between Dave and himself. I haven't seen much of that since he left.. Rj -----Original Message----- From: Dave Berry To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Sunday, November 21, 1999 8:52 AM Subject: Re: HW: Recent v Old / Poll >At 01:55 21/11/99 , Tim Stephenson wrote: >>>But I REALLY, REALLY miss Alan >> >>ditto with cherries on. > >I miss his bass playing and general drive. I can't say I miss his "singing" though. > >Dave. >Dave Berry, www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~daveb From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Nov 21 10:00:55 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 15:00:55 +0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: <4.1.19991121133549.009afa00@pophost.tardis.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <4.1.19991121133549.009afa00 at pophost.tardis.ed.ac.uk>, Dave Berry writes >The problem with this sort of game is that it's essentially backward-looking. >Maybe they'll find someone new who fits the job much better. Agreed. My ideal line-up would include Dave, Alan and Nik with Klaus Schulze on Drums, Julian Cope on Mellotron, Jason Spaceman on guitar and me on vocals for a start. Or something like that. -- Jon From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 21 09:16:10 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 14:16:10 -0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: Glad to get some discussion going here. It's not that I hate (I'm not mad about it) what Bridgett and Rizz do; they are just not very good at it. I like line-up changes, they're good, if you get the right people in! As for re-hashing the past, yeah it'll be fun for a tour, if they rehearse! But I don't, may be others do, want to see an old Hawkwind line-up pretending it's 74 for the next umpteen years. A combination of the best of the line-ups from the last thirty years experimenting and progressing would be interesting. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Pospiech To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 21 November 1999 08:26 Subject: Re: HW: Recent v Old / Poll >At 20:12 20.11.99 -0500, you wrote: >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Dan Witt >>To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >>Date: Saturday, November 20, 1999 6:28 PM >>Subject: Re: HW: Recent v Old / Poll >> >> >>>> Bridgett doesn't cut it in the studio, and live isn't just irritating, >>>> is in fact dreadful >>> >>> >>>Grrr. >> >> >>And I'll second that grrrr. With an extra r. ;) > >Yes. I agree. Bridgett was phantastic !! > >Bernhard > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Nov 21 10:15:59 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 15:15:59 +0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, Andy Gilham wrote: > > Isn't there a tendency to rubbish anybody doing a front(wo)man role in HW > > post-Calvert? > > I suppose there is, but that's just because Bob was the best, and a real > one-off. Ron's a likeable bloke, but he's no Calvert. I think Calvert and Lemmy are Ron's twin downfalls. He has had to try and fill both their shoes at once and he has come across at every gig I've seen him at since he picked up the bass as being unsure of himself. I think he's much more a Nik-style frontman than a Bob-style one, and when Nik's on-stage too he's got nothing to do at all. He is actually playing some damn good bass these days it seems to me, but all the crowd wants is Lemmy or Alan. I can see Ron getting sick of it all soon. Which to my mind would be a pity as he's contributed more material over recent years than anyone else since Alan left, at least that can be played live. Case in point, handing over the bass to Dibs at Shepherd's Bush 1997, with words something like, "Let's let someone who can actually play bass have a go"; I mean, what? Dibs may know more HW basslines than Ron does but he plays worse than Harvey... Yours, Jon From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Sun Nov 21 10:22:47 1999 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 16:22:47 +0100 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech schrieb: > >Powerful drumplaying? He played like a robot, always the same tempo. > Hey, you're talking about DANNY THOMPSON, aren't you ? No. But Thompson?s drumming is even worse since he used a double bass drum. This added much to HW?s heavy metal sound in the mid 80?s. > I disagree! With NT the Live Chronicals would have been a totally punk > disaster > with chaotic sax-playing Who knows what would have happened? > >All shows were the same then, no place for improvisations or longer tracks. > There was no need for improvisations. It was a great tour with a theme > (Elric). It was indeed a good show. But if you have seen 1 show you have seen them all. > >The arrival of Chadwick was the turning point! > The best drummer HW ever had!! Hmm, 2nd best after Mr. King > I agree. Simon and Harvey fit very good to the current lineup. > The only intruder was Ron Tree Maybe he should learn to play his new fretless bass. Which is a great instrument if played by someone who can handle it, like Colin Edwin of Porcupine Tree. > >No, it was LSD (or: My trouser?s are tripping, as Alan introduced this > song in > >91) > :-))) LSD was good, but SECRET AGENT was better (see: 19.05.1992) Well, if you say so. It?s a matter of taste anyway. > >Harvey should join them too so that we would have our favourite 89 line-up > again, > Arrrgh! How could I forget Harvey. Of course he should me a member of the > new lineup!! Has anyone seen how much wage Dave paid to Harvey at Croydon? Andreas From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Sun Nov 21 10:15:47 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 09:15:47 -0600 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: I guess that this poll has a lot to do with your age, and the very first HW LP (or CD to the "youngsters") that you were exposed to. Like me, I'm an old fart, (42) and in college in 1975 there weren't a whole lot of Albums to choose from. I remember my room-mate had to play Doremi 4-5 times for me, before the "Light" went on in my head. My response to the first time I heard it was "Yeah, they kinda sound a little like Black Sabbath" By the 5th time they sounded like Hawkwind. So to me, the early years up to Warrior were Golden! I still really don't care a whole lot about the 1st one. But I play it once a year for "rememberance" and "respect" to the band (Dave). Now if I was in college in 1979 and my room mate told me to listen to this really cool band The Hawklords (aka HW)....well then I really don't think I would have ever turned out to be a fan. Sorry...............................................................But I play it once a year for "rememberance" and "respect" to the band (Dave). So how many people out there do you think would be fans if they were exposed to the "proper" Album that suites their taste in "style" of Space Rock. Or, I like the way some columnist said in a review..."Urban Science Fiction Rock and Roll". Being a Hawkwind fan, I qualify in the catagory of diversity. You have to, to be a true fan. If ones' taste in music was narrow, then, they probably might only have 2-3 HW albums. Since I have a wide variety in taste, I don't mind listening to 95% of my collection. It's all good And I have to agree with the "not too favorable" opinions for Bridge-it, and Capt. Rizzy. Bridgette (or what ever her name is) at least could sing in key, but the Capt. and HW are two totally different catagories of music that I'm sorry to say DO NOT MIX. It's like pouring Motor Oil over your Ice Cream for desert. I'll pass. I once walked out of a club one night cause there was a band there called "Stuff" that played that Jamacian - - - BS! I think the next poll should be a little more refined. Like... 1. How old are you? 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? Maybe some of our resident university members can come up with some scientific data from that information? Well I've done enough babbling for now....Later HAWKMAN www.intplsrv.net/hawkman From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Nov 21 10:23:22 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 15:23:22 +0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: <0.ca29f9d2.25693383@aol.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Nov 1999 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > but the above suggests a unilateral reverence for bob calvert which i do not > share. and =that= is why i =never= discuss mr calvert w/y'all. > > is calvert the standard by which all subsequents are judged? > seeing as he was their first non-playing front man, apparently. > i always liked how in the early '70s there were 4 vocalists... Well, I agree with both parts: I do revere Mr. Calvert, but it's precisely because there isn't going to be another one that comparing people to him gets you nowhere. He's not the best singer they've had (I still think Dave is overall the best voice HW's ever had) though he might be the clearest, or even the best composer, he's just the Bob Calvert. I think Bridget was never other than herself and she was worthwhile on balance more than Rizz but not always, I think Ron started trying to be Calvert and got back to his own punk style quicker the more of his material they started playing. And I think Rizz is bloody awful except in a `Wheels' on HW97 and should be forced to record another solo album right now and never ever play with HW again. I kind of hope that Nik is going to manage to get himself in on this studio album as then it might actually happen, so many people in the band will be trying to prove they can do as well as he can... and he won't care as long as he gets to stand out front and be friends wth the crowd. Yours, Jon From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Sun Nov 21 10:27:17 1999 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 15:27:17 -0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: <199911210914.KAA15852@mail.home.ins.de> Message-ID: Favourite live shows: Dec 1989. Most valuable current member of band: Richard Chadwick Favourite albums: HOTMG & most live albums Weakest live shows: 1988 Alasdair -- Page me online: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 Send me E-mail Express direct to my screen: 1573250 at pager.mirabilis.com alimac at netcomuk.co.uk (Alasdair Macdonald) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Nov 21 10:36:59 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 15:36:59 +0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: <199911211344.OAA24077@mail.home.ins.de> Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > I agree. Simon and Harvey fit very good to the current lineup. > The only intruder was Ron Tree > >Harvey should join them too so that we would have our favourite 89 line-up > again, > Arrrgh! How could I forget Harvey. Of course he should me a member of the > new lineup!! I think that if the line-up that played at Croydon went into the studio to produce this Death Generator thing that was being bantered about a while back we'd have something truly memorable for the new century (eventually :-). But I think you have to have Ron until someone starts writing some songs. Nik hasn't put anything new to record since, well, let's be generous and say 1993, and before then since 1985; Jerry's written three damn good tracks but both before this year; Dave doesn't seem to be writing rock any more; Harvey's all ambience and synth; Simon's new solo album is stalled or so it seems; Richard's into techno. Where is the power going to come from except Ron? The trouble is that his songs are for a punk three-piece really. I don't know what's coming next but it'll have to be good, and as usual, totally unpredictable given that nothing seems predictable inside this framework. Yours, Jon From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Nov 21 10:42:36 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 15:42:36 +0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: <4.1.19991121133549.009afa00@pophost.tardis.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, Dave Berry wrote: > How well do Jerry and Simon fit together? They both play lead > instruments; do they clash or meld? Jerry's good enough, as is Simon, to share the stage gracefully with anyone. He and Huw were a particularly blinding combination I thought. > My ideal line-up, from people still around the HW camp, would certainly > include Dave, Richard and Simon, and Jerry if he and Simon can work out > lead roles together. They'd need a bassist, for which Alan would be a > most welcome return IMO. (Though I've no idea if Alan and Dave still > speak to each other). I don't know how well Ron fitted in to the recent > tour, but from what I've seen of him in earlier years I'd happily keep > him as a singer. And I'd probably be happy if Harvey rejoined on > keyboards, and even Nik if he promises not to sing! (Especially if he > plays more flute). When Alan first brought Bedouin to Cambridge we asked him this, and he said firstly that he'd left because "they none of them want to _do_ anything", and that Dave had asked him about being on the reunion thing and that he'd not been interested, having only just got out. > Somehow I can't imagine the eight of them all getting it together > though, both personally and on stage! That was very much the case at Croydon: they were all right together but some songs just didn't have room for them all. I think Ron and Nik are a conflict zone. If they (all) took guest slots on various tracks though I think we could get some really exciting stuff! Yours, Jon From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 21 10:46:49 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 15:46:49 -0000 Subject: HW Past, Present And .....(Harvey) Message-ID: I forgot to include Harvey on my list - synths only. Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flossbac at NLCI.COM Sun Nov 21 10:51:21 1999 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 10:51:21 -0500 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: There were a lot of great years and lineups throughout HW's history--it's so hard to pick and choose! They all had different strengths and weaknesses.... But I think I side with Berhnhard in saying that 1989 was the best live year for HW....especially when we had Harvey on keyboards (by far the best and spaciest HW keyboardist ever), Alan on bass (unequalled except by only one other person....), Richard on drums (best ever HW drummer), and Huw (a really unique and talented lead guitarist) on lead..... wow, to think that this dream lineup actually existed for a few months! Initially I was disappointed when Huw left, but things were still great, as Harvey's keyboards became more prominent and the gigs were fantastic..... I really really miss Harvey! And now that Alan is gone too, it's really sad.... At least we have Dave and Richard who are a very strong nucleus.... but if Richard left at this point, I think HW would be hopelessly crippled, it would just be the Dave Brock act with supporting musicians. Other thoughts: yes, Danny Thompson was awful wasn't he? Martin Griffin was possibly just as bad. When Nik joined up again in the 80's it was a mixed bag--some of the shows are the worst I've ever heard, but then again a few of them were pretty entertaining.... overall, Nik was bad for HW in the 80's, I think. Sometimes he's pretty good though (witness the live recording of "solitary mind games" on Out and Intake, where there is some nice--and in tune!--flute playing). I liked Bridgett's contribution, even though her vocals live left something to be desired.... but they're no worse than Alan's vocals, which tended to be totally out of key. I am puzzled by Rizz--initially I hated him, then I started to feel he was OK, but then I decided again I don't really like what he's doing in HW....I fluctuate in opinion I guess.....Ron is better than he was.....originally the vocals on Alien4 left me speechless with horror, but Ron has grown on me..... the sheer amateurishness and over-the-top aspect to him has left me feeling like HW has picked up more credibility thereby.....I like him now! end of ramble.... John Majka From flossbac at NLCI.COM Sun Nov 21 10:59:44 1999 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 10:59:44 -0500 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: > >The problem with this sort of game is that it's essentially backward-looking. > >Maybe they'll find someone new who fits the job much better. > > Agreed. My ideal line-up would include Dave, Alan and Nik with Klaus > Schulze on Drums, Julian Cope on Mellotron, Jason Spaceman on guitar and > me on vocals for a start. Or something like that. > Jon Now that's interesting, including these other people..... If I could make a hybrid band like that it would include.... Dave Brock (of course), Ian Masters (of Pale Saints) on bass, Klaus Schulze on keyboards, Tim Gane (of Stereolab) on guitar, maybe some additional lead guitar from Huw, and Richard Chadwick on drums. John Majka From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Nov 21 11:05:13 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy.Gilham) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 16:05:13 -0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Has anyone seen how much wage Dave paid to Harvey at Croydon? > > It looked like he gave him a twenty, but I thought that was a joke!!!! -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 21 11:02:59 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 16:02:59 -0000 Subject: Nik Turner/ Anubian Lights Message-ID: Anubian Lights are what the elongated synth sections in HW should sound like. Could he bring that to HW? Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Nov 21 11:58:00 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 11:58:00 EST Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: In a message dated 11/21/99 10:23:24 AM, Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE writes: << >The arrival of Chadwick was the turning point! > The best drummer HW ever had!! Hmm, 2nd best after Mr. King >> ============== many thanks for you saying so! i wasnt up for it lololol "<>" From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sun Nov 21 12:33:29 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 18:33:29 +0100 Subject: HW: Poem from the Nov.99 tour Message-ID: Hello folks You can find the words for the poem that was spoken from Ron Tree after "Aerospaceage Inferno" during the November 1999 tour, in the "In Your Area" booklet on the red side with the green babyface. The poem is called: EEDEA-KARAN Bernhard From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Nov 21 12:50:36 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 12:50:36 EST Subject: HW: Epoch Eclipse Review....i couldnt hit it sideways... Message-ID: In a message dated 11/21/99 12:16:42 PM, DASLUD writes: << Hawkwind cited the Velvets' "Sister Ray" and Michael Moorcock as influences, and this boxed set finally achieves what a hundred previous compilations have failed to do. It samples every era of the band from 1970's "Hurry on Sundown" to the astonishing 1999 KLF remix of "Silver Machine" which, one hopes, will finally re-establish the credentials of the only truly space rock band. Peter Huxley. >> boy i'd =really= like to know from whence huxley got the reference to VU and "sister ray". betcha cash right now it wasnt mr. brock. i might even betcha that huxley took it from something else he read/someone else's conjecture. how much more obvious would it have to be to insert "interstellar overdrive" in place of "sister ray"? jeez louise... a few years back i volleyed this specific issue back and forth with one chris stigliano of the zine BLACK TO COMM. it came down to the question of "the origin of the stacatto pulse"... now mr turner, sure i can see him being familiar with the velvets, stooges, mc5... in fact i think there's a relationship twixt the stooges' 'tv eye' and 'brainstorm' (....which carries over to the damned's 'neat neat neat'). mr. calvert too. and let's assume it was calvert's notion to cover 'waiting for the man', not brock's. in '91 i asked mr brock outright if the velvets and stooges were any influence on him. he said "dunno really*, i'd have to go think about that period of time..." (* "dunno really" is the classic brock reply). hey, if a 5-star rating gets new listeners into the fold and makes money, well groovy. but early floyd has a hell of a lot more to do with early HW than the velvets. who i like a great deal, more than floyd actually. but tossing in "sister ray" is lame and inappropriate, if'n yer askin' me. "<>" From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 21 12:51:02 1999 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (IAN ABRAHAMS) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 17:51:02 -0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: I don't know what Julian Cope thinks about Hawkwind but I always thought he should be in this band!!! The live cut of Sleeping Gas on the Tiny Children 12" is Copey *doing* Calvert for sure ("we have the horiziontal and we have the vertical, but you....have got the money...) Ian ian at abrahamsi.freeserve.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Browne To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Sunday, November 21, 1999 3:00 PM Subject: Re: HW: Recent v Old / Poll > In article <4.1.19991121133549.009afa00 at pophost.tardis.ed.ac.uk>, Dave > Berry writes > >The problem with this sort of game is that it's essentially backward-looking. > >Maybe they'll find someone new who fits the job much better. > > Agreed. My ideal line-up would include Dave, Alan and Nik with Klaus > Schulze on Drums, Julian Cope on Mellotron, Jason Spaceman on guitar and > me on vocals for a start. Or something like that. > -- > Jon > From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 21 13:44:23 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 18:44:23 -0000 Subject: HW: Epoch Eclipse Review....i couldnt hit it sideways... Message-ID: Dave Brock used to cite Steve Miller and the Doors as being early US influences. As for the KLF remix of Silver Machine, a bit of a let down. Whatever happened to the Orb (Alex Paterson) remix. Was it made, or is that another fable. Dave -----Original Message----- From: DASLUD at AOL.COM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 21 November 1999 17:52 Subject: Re: HW: Epoch Eclipse Review....i couldnt hit it sideways... >In a message dated 11/21/99 12:16:42 PM, DASLUD writes: > ><< Hawkwind cited the Velvets' "Sister Ray" and >Michael Moorcock as influences, and this boxed >set finally achieves what a hundred previous >compilations have failed to do. It samples every era >of the band from 1970's "Hurry on Sundown" to the >astonishing 1999 KLF remix of "Silver Machine" which, >one hopes, will finally re-establish the credentials of >the only truly space rock band. >Peter Huxley. > > >> > >boy i'd =really= like to know from whence huxley got the reference to VU and >"sister ray". betcha cash right now it wasnt mr. brock. i might even betcha >that huxley took it from something else he read/someone else's conjecture. >how much more obvious would it have to be to insert "interstellar overdrive" >in place of "sister ray"? jeez louise... >a few years back i volleyed this specific issue back and forth with one chris >stigliano of the zine BLACK TO COMM. it came down to the question of "the >origin of the stacatto pulse"... >now mr turner, sure i can see him being familiar with the velvets, stooges, >mc5... >in fact i think there's a relationship twixt the stooges' 'tv eye' and >'brainstorm' (....which carries over to the damned's 'neat neat neat'). mr. >calvert too. and let's assume it was calvert's notion to cover 'waiting for >the man', not brock's. > >in '91 i asked mr brock outright if the velvets and stooges were any >influence on him. he said "dunno really*, i'd have to go think about that >period of time..." >(* "dunno really" is the classic brock reply). > >hey, if a 5-star rating gets new listeners into the fold and makes money, >well groovy. but early floyd has a hell of a lot more to do with early HW >than the velvets. >who i like a great deal, more than floyd actually. but tossing in "sister >ray" is lame and inappropriate, if'n yer askin' me. > > >"<>" > From timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 21 12:17:24 1999 From: timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Tim Stephenson) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 17:17:24 -0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: >The problem with this sort of game is that it's essentially backward- >looking. Maybe they'll find someone new who fits the job much better. When I joined this group, I was under the mistaken impression it was for HW fans, rather than critics who live in some 1970's saddo timewarp (yes - I am over 40). More power to the Captain. Well done for giving Bridgett a go. Ron Tree was an excellent development for the band. Rizz is another EXCELLENT venture into new styles. Go for it. I am looking forward to the next development, not harking back to Nostradamus's younger days. HW is a band for now and the future. T From lwitt1 at USWEST.NET Sun Nov 21 14:11:00 1999 From: lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 13:11:00 -0600 Subject: OFF: Born To Go Message-ID: I have put a sound file of "To The Farthest Star" up on the web. At this link: http://www.freediskspace.com/Folders/107738/ You will find my folder on freediskspace. You will need to be a member if you're not already (it's free and the don't spam you). You need to create login name and pw, it takes less than a minute. Then you will get your own 25meg storage site. After you've registered then enter my folder using your login and pw, then enter my password for my shared folder,,,,which is borntogo. Again the password is borntogo. This will take you into my folder where you will see one file, btgsd9902.rm. It is a realmedia 96.7kbps stereo soundfile, it sounds quite nice. Your Realplayer will play this file, Realplayer is also free for those of you that do not have it. You can right click on the file and save it to your hard drive, or simply play it by clicking on it. The file is about 4600kb. I have tested the file by downloading it, and everything appears to work fine. Please log out of my folder when you are done, it might tie up access for other people. The file itself is from Strange Daze 99, it was the first song they played when they hit the stage. Kinda sounds like it could've come off of Space Ritual, that's a compliment. Have fun. If people enjoy this sort of thing I might post live stuff on a regular basis. From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Nov 21 15:19:41 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 15:19:41 EST Subject: HW: Epoch Eclipse Review....i couldnt hit it sideways... Message-ID: In a message dated 11/21/99 1:47:31 PM, dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: << Dave Brock used to cite Steve Miller >> ======= absolutely! i thought "hurry on sundown" sounded like steve miller when i first heard it. and miller's "number 5" lp is chock full of them spacey kinda fx, a year and a half before "in search of space" came out in the states. i'm not suggesting any nicking, but that much is true. steve miller, as summarized up to "anthology vol.1", was pretty cool. "<>" From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sun Nov 21 15:13:22 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 15:13:22 -0500 Subject: OFF : Tangerine Dream Message-ID: Chuck asked... >BTW, is there a Krautrock e-mail mailing list? I assume so... Yes...isi at kuci.org. It goes rather silent for large stretches of time, like right now for instance. I'm not sure this is correct, but try it and see. To subscribe, send the phrase "subscribe isi" without quotes in a message body to majordomo at kuci.org. Keith H. (FAA) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sun Nov 21 15:19:25 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 15:19:25 -0500 Subject: OFF: Farflung Message-ID: Jon said.... >> Sorry - dont know anything about ASF. Was given 25,000 feet per second by >> Farflung recently (thanks Keith). Pretty good. What other Farflung albums >> are recommended? > > _The Belief Module_, the latest one, is the current frontier of >explored space. Sell your relatives to get it. Of the other two, _So Man >Minds, So Little Time_ is a collection of pre-band, single and out-take >material which is apparently OK, and _The Raven That Ate The Moon_ is >truly badly pressed (no-one knows how may tracks there actually are, the >CD saying 4 and the liner listing six but referring to guests on Nos. 7 & >8... ), and has some amazing mind-expanding improv. stuff, but never >really settles down to anything apart from the twenty-five minute tacky >synth loop it runs off with. Only for the brave. Yeah, that's pretty awful, innit? The earlier stuff on that album makes it worthwhile though. I agree with the overall consensus, 25K ft./sec and TBM being the best ones. Keith H. (FAA) NP: Farflung - The Myth of Solid Ground (1999, pre-release CD-R)...some high points here also!! 1. When I Woke to Sleep No More - slowish space-march with Neu!-like sound f/X 2. Breach of I - a little like a heavy, punkish reading of Dust of Time, with Ozzy-esque (i.e., mocking voice) singing, ending up with an excellent long space-blanga jam 3. Prototype of a Traveller - excellent classic space-rock style riff....totally jammin' and cosmic (fantastic track!) 4. Those Clouds are Solid - heavy space-punk number, monotonish vocals...decent 5. Something in the Water - extneded spacey ambient noodling... 6. I Have Seen the Saucers - quiet, subdued ditty... 7. The Larval Stage - heavy stompin' and deliberate number with heavy f/X'ed vocals. Appropriately titled...degeneration proceeding! Not bad actually. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Nov 21 15:53:24 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 20:53:24 +0000 Subject: OFF: Farflung In-Reply-To: <199911212036.PAA06578@mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, Keith Henderson wrote: > I agree with the overall consensus, 25K ft./sec and TBM being the best ones. > > Keith H. (FAA) > > NP: Farflung - The Myth of Solid Ground (1999, pre-release CD-R)...some > high points here also!! Hullo, have they a new one in the works? Or is this something from the early days? I did wonder what Mr. Grenas was up to. Now we just need to track down that pesky Del Rio fellow and get himto sing his song again... ;-) Yours, Jon From Alogilvy at AOL.COM Sun Nov 21 16:15:33 1999 From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Al Ogilvy) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 16:15:33 EST Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: Tough one Bernhard !! On reflection I think it has to be '77 line up with Calvert...Great memories of Stonehenge that year!! From Alogilvy at AOL.COM Sun Nov 21 16:43:42 1999 From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Al Ogilvy) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 16:43:42 EST Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: You asked did they really play 3 hours at stonehenge 77.......I remember definitely yes..late at night through till almost dawn. i admit the memories are a bit fuzzy (Cant think why !!!),but i recall calvert actually attacking a robot on stage with a huge arab style sword.....Somebidy please tell me did this really happen ?? I remember it under a lot of strobes with projections at each side of the stage...Is my memory correct ? I also remember one more HW set (In daylight, different day) and Tim blake being there Solo, but of course not With HW.....I'd love to see some more reliable memories from others who were there , as my memories are getting more unreliable as i age....Especially memories of Free Festivals for some odd reasons. I'd be grateful if anyone out there with stonehenge 77 memories could post some. Thanks Al From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sun Nov 21 16:40:10 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 16:40:10 -0500 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll (A. Davey) Message-ID: Dave said... >I miss his bass playing and general drive. I can't say I miss his "singing" >though. then RJ added... >I admit (and so has he,) that his singing voice is not the greatest, but I >love the backups he provided on certain songs. I thought it really mattered *what* song he was singing. Alan's voice was just fine for things like LSD and Wings. But the one song I thought was awful with Alan singing was 'Ejection.' His voice just was not right for that one. Keith H. (FAA) From Alogilvy at AOL.COM Sun Nov 21 17:04:26 1999 From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Al Ogilvy) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 17:04:26 EST Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: Why does everyone rubbish ron so??? I like the old bastard..he amuses me and (Sorry DASLUD ) I loved Bob Calvert. The man was a hero to me. I dont see anything wrong with ron, who appears to be a calvert fan to me, being influenced by the man. I'm Sure that even Ron wouldnt claim to be Bob or a clone of Bob or a substitute for Bob....Ron puts himself into the show and the band too..Ok hes not the greates Bass player in the world and hes no muso ,but with the exception of Simon House who in the bands History really has been ? to me thats part of the HW thing . Chaos and Change and I wouldnt be without it!!! Theres always been a "Punk" feel to HW even before the phrase was a twinkle in a music Journos eye...Nik always had that thing . Bob did too . So does Ron.....and many others who've been through the band...That also has been part of the appeal to me since i first saw them (72). There is something unique about HW and all these things are part of that...After all how many bands could pull off a tour without a single original member of the band as Hw have done occassionally ,and still be 100% that band. Thats an Idea actually...How about a poll to ask everyone what the Key ingredients of the HW experience are ? What is essential in the Mix that makes Hw? Just an Idea Folks All this discussion just shows what a Broad Church the Church Of HW is !! From Alogilvy at AOL.COM Sun Nov 21 17:08:39 1999 From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Al Ogilvy) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 17:08:39 EST Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: J Jarrett wrote something like ".....I think Rons contributed more to the band recently than...etc." Well ,I'd just like to second that !! From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 21 17:47:16 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 22:47:16 -0000 Subject: HW Past, Present And ...... (Bridgett) Message-ID: Disaster for HW. Truely awful. Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 21 17:47:38 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 22:47:38 -0000 Subject: HW Past,Present And ........(Alan Davey) Message-ID: Alan was good for HW when he joined, although everyone was expecting Lemmy (I wish he'd turned up because Motorhead were none too good then either). Then he started singing (minus points), and didn't develop beyond being a Lemmy clone (minus points), and then tried to play synths too. Needed some lessons from Geddy Lee. Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE Sun Nov 21 18:27:24 1999 From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 00:27:24 +0100 Subject: Nik Turner/ Anubian Lights Message-ID: Hello, > david hall wrote: > > Anubian Lights are what the elongated synth sections in HW should > sound like. Yup, that's right. AL is one of a few (almost)-synth-only bands you can listen to without being bored after a couple of minutes. > Could he bring that to HW? I don't think, that Nik could do that. Most of Anubian Light's songs are written by those Pressurehed guys (Grenas, del Rio, Fox) and they also do the synth-work. AFAIK Nik is only responsible for sax and flute. so long D-R -- "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" Hassan I Sabbah www.d-rider.de From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE Sun Nov 21 18:52:36 1999 From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 00:52:36 +0100 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: Hello, my favourite HW-period are without any doubt tha Calvert-years 1976-1978. IMHO Calvert is the best thing that ever happened to HW (ok, beside Dave perhaps). Judging from official records, boots and live-tapes (thanx Bernhard) I have, he was their best front-man ever. His lyrics belong to the best ever written in rock-history. It's a shame I wasn't able to see them at that time, as I was born in 1978. Ron's not bad, but he's definitely no Robert Calvert. Bridgett was ok, but Rizz is _bad_! I don't know how he came to the band, but I hope that he isn't involved in the recordings of the new album. HW-synth-players: beside Del and Harvey the top-man is Tim Blake. He has a spacey-aetherically (sp?) style and belongs IMHO to the top synth-players on this planet. It's a shame he only contributed to 2 LP's (does someone know when/if his new album will be released?) BTW, what happened to DikMik? Where does he live now, what is he doing? IMO the best line-up for the next time would be: Dave Brock, Richard Chadwick, Jerry Richards, Simon King, Harvey Bainbridge, Ron Tree, someone who can sing, and Del Dettmar Wouldn't it be a great thing, if Del rejoined after the years? greetings from outer space D-R -- "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" Hassan I Sabbah www.d-rider.de From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Sun Nov 21 18:59:33 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 08:59:33 +0900 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: There's a lot of mud being slung at Bridgett here. I admit that when first exposed to her singing it was a bit of a shock. I hadn't heard the album so when I turned up at Southampton and found a female singer I was wondering if I'd gone to the right gig. But, IMHO, she added a lot to the Hawkwind of the moment. Yes, I agree that neither Bridgett no Rizz are exactly wonderful singers, but then neither was Huw, or Alan, or Harvey. Part of the strength of Hawkwind, for me, has always been the band's willingness to let everyone contribute, albeit under the fearsome gaze of Mr. Brock. That and the fact that they've never stood still. After all, If you picked up, say Doremi, Astounding and Space Bandits, someone who wasn't wise to Hawkwind would have a devil of a job agreeing that they are all by the "same" band. I first came across Hawkwind at the tender age of 12 in 1974 when my cousin took me to a field in the middle of who knows where with the instruction to "not tell my mum," like Larry, that first exposure stuck with me and has coloured my taste in music ever since. I find it real hard to define my favourite era, as some are doing in this thread, but from my taste in sound I would have to have in my line up Huw, Lemmy (or Ron if he is allowed to be Ron), Tim Blake, Simon. Nik certainly adds a lot to Hawkwind, and the band, IMHO, miss the kick up the arse he provides, but I would have to have him in the Part Time slot, chaos is great, but not all the way through! Just my ?0.02 Dave From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri Nov 19 09:48:14 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 14:48:14 +0000 Subject: OFF : This week ....in Space/Krautrock In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 10:43 17.11.1999 +0000, Jon Browne wrote: >This week 'oi 'ave mostly been listening to The Cosmic Jokers. I bought >all 4 albums at once and they rock. Well, they float, at least. > >I'm looking for other stuff like this and say, Harmonia, and trying to >avoid shouty/klanging things like Kluster's Zwei Osterei. > >Anyone got any favourites? (We know Dave likes Neu! after doing the >sleevenotes) Might I respectfully refer you back to my recent posting re. Mouse on Mars - absolutely no shouting. Try also "Hex" by Bark Psychosis for strange floaty (even pastoral?) psychedelia. Paul Schutze and Soma are also worth investigating. Cheers, ChrisW NP: Radio 4 Afternoon play "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Sun Nov 21 19:16:01 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:16:01 +0900 Subject: OFF: MAN Message-ID: I have a vague memory that this has been discussed here before. I came across a copy of Man's the 1974 Chicago 1999 party CD at the weekend. No cash in the pocket so it's still in the store. Is it any good? Dave From a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK Sun Nov 21 19:58:45 1999 From: a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK (Alun Hughes) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 00:58:45 +0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: I couldn't agree more! I'm not quite 40 yet, but give it another couple of months! Just a small problem, your mailer has replaced "complete tosser ruining any chance of a credible" by EXCELLENT. Thought I should point that out! Funny how that happens. Alun > (yes - I am >over 40). More power to the Captain. Well done for giving Bridgett a go. >Ron Tree was an excellent development for the band. Rizz is another >EXCELLENT venture into new styles. Go for it. I am looking forward to the >next development, not harking back to Nostradamus's younger days. HW is a >band for now and the future. From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sun Nov 21 21:35:35 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 02:35:35 +0000 Subject: OFF: MAN In-Reply-To: <38388B40.FE310DB8@virgin.net> Message-ID: At 09:16 22.11.1999 +0900, you wrote: >I have a vague memory that this has been discussed here >before. I came across a copy of Man's the 1974 Chicago 1999 >party CD at the weekend. No cash in the pocket so it's >still in the store. Is it any good? > >Dave Yup, sure is, and if you are Man fan, it's the only (official) live document of the full "RW&L" band with Malcolm Morley - they seem to have been on pretty good form that night. The track selection is nothing extraordinary though. At that time they regularly played "Blown Away" - one of Malcolm's tunes from the Help's "Return of Ken Whaley/Happy Daze" and (I gather) "American Mother" from "Beware The Shadow", but not that night (as far as I know, it is the complete set from that night). Cheers, ChrisW "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sun Nov 21 21:42:23 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 02:42:23 +0000 Subject: HW: Epoch Eclipse Review....i couldnt hit it sideways... In-Reply-To: <0.c762c4f3.2569addd@aol.com> Message-ID: At 15:19 21.11.1999 EST, Larry wrote: >In a message dated 11/21/99 1:47:31 PM, dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: > ><< Dave Brock used to cite Steve Miller >> >======= >absolutely! >i thought "hurry on sundown" sounded like steve miller when i first heard it. >and miller's "number 5" lp is chock full of them spacey kinda fx, a year and >a half before "in search of space" came out in the states. >i'm not suggesting any nicking, but that much is true. >steve miller, as summarized up to "anthology vol.1", was pretty cool. > >"<>" No arguments here on that one - "Number 5" is a real personal fave, and all of those early Miller albums were superb, and way ahead of their time in many ways. Thre's still good stuff to be found on "The Joker" & beyond, but it was all a lot smoother, cooler and more restrained somehow. ChrisW (getting way OFF again) "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Sun Nov 21 23:14:16 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:14:16 +0900 Subject: OFF: MAN Message-ID: Thanks for that, Chris. Sounds like a buy. I only have a couple of grotty boots from that period along with GT etc., so it'll be interesting to hear what it "really" sounded like! Dave > Yup, sure is, and if you are Man fan, it's the only (official) live > document of the full "RW&L" band with Malcolm Morley - they seem to have > been on pretty good form that night. The track selection is nothing > extraordinary though. At that time they regularly played "Blown Away" - > one of Malcolm's tunes from the Help's "Return of Ken Whaley/Happy Daze" > and (I gather) "American Mother" from "Beware The Shadow", but not that > night (as far as I know, it is the complete set from that night). > > Cheers, > ChrisW > > "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - > Bierce From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Mon Nov 22 04:57:12 1999 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas Guy) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:57:12 -0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: Alasdair - you have IMPECCABLE taste !!! Guy Thomas -----Original Message----- From: Alasdair Macdonald [mailto:alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK] Sent: 21 November 1999 15:27 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Favourite live shows: Dec 1989. Most valuable current member of band: Richard Chadwick Favourite albums: HOTMG & most live albums Weakest live shows: 1988 Alasdair -- Page me online: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 Send me E-mail Express direct to my screen: 1573250 at pager.mirabilis.com alimac at netcomuk.co.uk (Alasdair Macdonald) From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Mon Nov 22 05:03:33 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Zeitgeist) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 10:03:33 +0000 Subject: OFF: JOHN SYKES Message-ID: After Thin Lizzy, there were a few Blue Murder albums, all patchy, the 1st probably wins for the virtuosity of Carmine Appice and Tony Franklin, a couple of Japanese only releases, and he plays guitar and sings in the reconstituted Thin Lizzy which is currently on tour in mainland Europe (Gorham/Sykes/Wharton/Downey). Full dates can be found on the Zeitgeist tour page. SAH NP Nick Kane Songs In The Key Of E Blessings and peace from Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground E-zine, freezine and online Record Store at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van Vliet alternate url: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Mon Nov 22 05:16:46 1999 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas Guy) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 10:16:46 -0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: My favourite curry is Chicken Jalfrezi - but it HAS to be from Khan's in Westbourne Grove, London. (They puree green chillies into the sauce!) Guy From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 22 06:19:16 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 11:19:16 GMT Subject: AW: Glastonbury 1990 Questions In-Reply-To: David Bottomley's message of Fri, 19 Nov 1999 18:17:12 -0000 Message-ID: David Bottomley writes: > A recent CDS catalogue supplement had 'Black Elk Speaks' listed as 'Magic of > the Earth', the poem as 'The Door' and the unknown track as 'Sword of > the Dawn' Won't that just be Sword of the East? FoFP From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Mon Nov 22 07:15:05 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Zeitgeist) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 12:15:05 +0000 Subject: OFF: Free Gig In Edinburgh Message-ID: I know there's a few Scots based bods on this list so; Foil are playing at Potter Row on 30th November. I've got 2 guest passes, but am working in Birmingham:-( If anyone wants them, send me a private e-mail, and I'll get them off to you sharpish. Stuart NP: Moonspell - The Butterfly Effect Blessings and peace from Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground E-zine, freezine and online Record Store at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van Vliet alternate url: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Mon Nov 22 09:23:34 1999 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:23:34 +0100 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: <000201bf3415$6d4ec6a0$9117883e@timsteph> Message-ID: > >But I REALLY, REALLY miss Alan > >ditto with cherries on. here another fan who misses alan and now he's even playing crappy motorhead covers. come on he can do better then that. pleazzzzzz !!!!!! andre From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Mon Nov 22 09:28:29 1999 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:28:29 +0100 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > >1983 - 1984 > > Hawkwinds bad years with chaotic gigs, no ideas and a punky images. Main > > responsible person: Nik Turner > >He was much better in 84. And with Dead Fred on synths and violin they were >pretty good. And fun they had on stage. Clive Deamer was a great drummer >again, >sadly he got replaced by the worst HW drummer ever... hey andreas do you remember the august milky way gigs in amsterdam with this line-up. i still think they were great then. > > >1995 > > Ron Tree appears. A mixture of Robert Calvert and Nik Turner > > Good USA spring tour. Interesting sound > > later the year Alien tour which brings some highlights > >Ron Bastard wasn?t bad at the start because he didn?t play bass then. > > > > > >1996 > > Ron is getting more and more over the top > > No new musically ideas > >And Alan left just when he reached his highest point, sadly. and now it's definately time for ron to leave before he ruins hawkwind, there are enough decent replacements from the past or even brand new bass playing fans ............ andre From brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Nov 22 09:47:13 1999 From: brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Brian Coulthard) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:47:13 -0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: <000201bf3453$6ed2c560$43c9883e@timsteph> Message-ID: When I joined this group, I was under the mistaken impression it was for HW fans, rather than critics who live in some 1970's saddo timewarp (yes - I am over 40). More power to the Captain. Well done for giving Bridgett a go. Ron Tree was an excellent development for the band. Rizz is another EXCELLENT venture into new styles. Go for it. I am looking forward to the next development, not harking back to Nostradamus's younger days. HW is a band for now and the future. Totally Agree the current line up deserves the chance to prove what they can do I like the idea of on the rare occasion of a new studio album not knowing what style the next song will be. HW are about the future not trying to recreate a time gone by yours Brian From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Mon Nov 22 10:02:09 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:02:09 -0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: > > Totally Agree the current line up deserves the chance to prove what they can > do > I like the idea of on the rare occasion of a new studio album not knowing > what > style the next song will be. HW are about the future not trying to recreate > a time > gone by It is the business of the future to be dangerous. :-) Cheers, Rich. Currently groovin' to... FunLovin' Criminals - 100% Columbian __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 22 10:27:34 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:27:34 GMT Subject: OFF : Tangerine Dream In-Reply-To: flossbac's message of Fri, 19 Nov 1999 22:11:32 -0500 Message-ID: flossbac writes: > > > P.P.P.S. I'm ignoring Tangerine Dream because I don't know enough about > > > them...I see merit in their first 'rock' album (Electronic Meditation), > but > > > I was bored with 'Zeit.' > > Tangerine Dream has long been one of my obsessions. The band is pretty much > useless now (and has been for quite some time-- at least a decade), but the > earlier stuff is some of the greatest experimental music of all time. Until > you've heard "Atem" I don't think you know the true majesty of what space > rock might be-- cataclysmic stuff! A lot of the earlier tangerine dream is > very intense and demands close listening to fully appreciate it--it's a very > subtle music and you can tell that the musicians were RIGHT THERE with each > note, feeling each note as it was played--it's not nearly as arbitrary as it > might seem with a casual listen. After "Atem" the band became much more > electronic and turned out the classics "Phaedra" and "Rubycon" (both of > which I think are indispensable to a psychedelic education). The live album > "Encore" from '77 was incredible in its peculiar balance of > classically-influenced keyboard stylings and prog noodling....a masterpiece, > with a beautiful and melancholy sequenced coda at the end! After this, the > band was beginning to show the first signs of a long ailment....But > basically, in my opinion everything up to 1983 is generally pretty good. > "Thief" kind of sucked and so did "Exit" (except for one or two songs), but > the rest of the albums are pretty good from that time period. There would > even be a few bright spots later with the opening track on "Underwater > Sunlight" and the "Livemiles" album, but then TD really started to stink > beyond anyone's imagining--on the same level of total new age shite as Yanni > and whatever else is out there. PS--the edgar froese solo albums are very > nice too, particularly "Epsilon in Malaysian Pale" which has some very > pretty mellotron. > John Majka What he said except that I'd add that the albums "Ricochet" and "Stratosfear" which marked their switch from the atmospheric to the melodic albums are truly amazing. After that highlights are "Cyclone", the indispensable "Force Majeure" (play that loud and I defy you not to do it again immediately) "Encore", "Logos" and "White Eagle". I'd concur that from the second Froese got his kids into the band in 1989 there's been nothing but new age fusion and some middling film scores or compilations. I've been told that they've come back to their old style recently and I'd give 'em another try if someone knowledgeable would recommend an album - I used to go to TD gigs in the same way I did Hawkwind gigs and I've kinda missed 'em. I did hear "Goblin's Club" which showed some promise. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 22 10:31:21 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:31:21 GMT Subject: SV: HW : New CDs In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:23:07 -0500 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > On Sat, 20 Nov 1999, Henrik wrote: > > => Oops! > => > => I thought these cd?s were from Lone Wolf??? > => Looks very much the same to me!!! > > They are. Welcome to the savage world of bootlegging, where > apparently there is no honour amongst thieves... ;-) What? Some dealer has bootlegged some bootlegs? That's amusing. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 22 10:33:30 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:33:30 GMT Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: Chuck Rosenberg's message of Sat, 20 Nov 1999 15:08:53 EST Message-ID: Chuck Rosenberg writes: > In a message dated 11/20/99 8:13:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, DASLUD at AOL.COM > writes: > > > << My favorite HW year is: 1989 >> > > ============ > > in general, what's known as the 'lemmy era' > > more specifically, mid-72 to early 74. > > > > '72 in partic for me--look what recordings that single year encompasses--all > the Glastonbury/Greasy material, DFL and SR! What other year had such > quantity and quality? Chuck I'll plump for 1977 FoFP From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Nov 22 10:44:05 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 10:44:05 EST Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: In a message dated 11/22/99 10:33:49 AM, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: << > << My favorite HW year is: 1989 >> > > ============ > > in general, what's known as the 'lemmy era' > > more specifically, mid-72 to early 74. > > > > '72 in partic for me--look what recordings that single year encompasses--all > the Glastonbury/Greasy material, DFL and SR! What other year had such > quantity and quality? Chuck I'll plump for 1977 >> =============== y'all just better beware, lest you be accused of living in a "'70s time warp" or sumpin'. what a laugh.... "<>" On a broad road I walk * Like any young man, I am bound up in vices * Unmindful of virtue, Greedy for pleasure * More than for health, Dead in the soul * I take care of my skin. ~"Burning inwardly"~ (11th song of Carmina Burana) ==== "you are your own censor. > if you dont like what i say, you have choice. > you can turn me off====" > --ALICE COOPER, "lay down and die, goodbye" '70 > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 22 11:04:09 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:04:09 GMT Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Sun, 21 Nov 1999 08:36:20 +0100 Message-ID: > >>> Bridgett doesn't cut it in the studio, and live isn't just irritating, > >>> is in fact dreadful > >> > >>Grrr. > > > >And I'll second that grrrr. With an extra r. ;) > > Yes. I agree. Bridgett was phantastic !! > > Bernhard Bring Back Bridget! FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 22 11:05:48 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:05:48 GMT Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Sun, 21 Nov 1999 09:58:36 -0000 Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > > Isn't there a tendency to rubbish anybody doing a front(wo)man role in HW > > post-Calvert? > > > > Ian > > ian at abrahamsi.freeserve.co.uk > > > > I suppose there is, but that's just because Bob was the best, and a real > one-off. Ron's a likeable bloke, but he's no Calvert. > > (And I thought he looked disturbingly like Adam Ant at Croydon :) Hmmmm, Maybe they could get Adam Ant into the band? If they can't get Tim Blake or Simon House back permanently though, perhaps they could speak nicely to Ed Alleyne Johnson... FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 22 11:08:44 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:08:44 GMT Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: Tim Stephenson's message of Sun, 21 Nov 1999 01:55:18 -0000 Message-ID: Tim Stephenson writes: > >But I REALLY, REALLY miss Alan > > ditto with cherries on. His playing yes, badly. His singing? Absolutely not. It's probably just as well Alan and Tim were never in the band at the same time. They both seemed to think they could sing and a "duet" might have been inevitable. FoFP From lwitt1 at USWEST.NET Mon Nov 22 11:40:06 1999 From: lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 10:40:06 -0600 Subject: OFF: Born To Go Message-ID: One more note on that downloadable file of Farthest Star; Music and lyrics written by Marc Power Copyright (C) 1996 Marc Power All Rights reserved. From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Mon Nov 22 11:40:06 1999 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas Guy) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:40:06 -0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: Bridget who??? (Only Joking!!!!) Guy T -----Original Message----- From: M Holmes [mailto:fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK] Sent: 22 November 1999 16:04 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW: Recent v Old / Poll > >>> Bridgett doesn't cut it in the studio, and live isn't just irritating, > >>> is in fact dreadful > >> > >>Grrr. > > > >And I'll second that grrrr. With an extra r. ;) > > Yes. I agree. Bridgett was phantastic !! > > Bernhard Bring Back Bridget! FoFP From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Nov 22 12:34:16 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 12:34:16 EST Subject: HW/OFF: "musicians made drug use look tempting?" ^_~ =koff= Message-ID: Study Finds Teens Drug Use Leveling Off By LARRY McSHANE .c The Associated Press NEW YORK (Nov. 22) - The latest survey from the Partnership for a Drug-Free America finds that drug use among teen-agers' is leveling off, with more teens rejecting the notion that drugs are cool. ``This trend means we have to keep up our efforts,'' said Barry McCaffrey, director of the White House drug control policy office. ``The teen-age notion that everyone is doing drugs and that there must be something wrong with me has to be dispelled.'' The 12th annual survey, released today, shows that 40 percent of teens questioned felt ``really cool'' kids did not use drugs. By comparison, 35 percent of those surveyed in 1998 agreed with that statement, indicating more kids are turned off by drugs now than before. Among 13- to 15-year-olds, 8 percent believed marijuana smokers were popular, down from 13 percent last year and 17 percent in 1997, the survey found. The survey found other evidence that the role of drugs in teen culture was dissipating: Thirty-five percent of teens felt that ``most people will try marijuana sometime,'' down from 40 percent a year ago. The number of teens agreeing with the statement ``it seems like marijuana is everywhere these days'' dropped to 48 percent this year, down from 52 percent last year and 59 percent in 1997. While 48 percent of teens last year felt musicians made drug use look tempting, that figure was down to 42 percent this year. Trial use of marijuana, inhalants, methamphetamine, LSD, cocaine and crack were all down. The dropoff in cocaine and crack trial use was the first since 1993. ``The tide appears to be turning,'' said Partnership chairman James E. Burke. ``Across the board ... teen-agers are disassociating drugs from critically important badges of teen identity.'' But Burke said the war against drugs was far from over: ``It's too early to declare a major turnaround in drug-related attitudes and drug use.'' The Partnership for a Drug-Free America, launched in 1987, is a non-profit coalition of communications industry professionals aimed at reducing the demand for illegal drugs. Its latest survey questioned 6,529 teens aged 13-to-18 nationwide. The survey's margin of error was plus or minus 1.8 percentage points. AP-NY-11-22-99 0227EST Copyright 1999 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. All active hyperlinks have been inserted by AOL. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 22 12:37:31 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 12:37:31 -0500 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: <0.59f1b833.2569c18e@aol.com> Message-ID: I'm somewhat torn between 1972 and 1992. Both those periods had Hawkwinds which, to my mind, did what Hawkwind does best: full-tilt high-volume space-rock blanga. As much as I like the "Calvert years", I have to pick 72/92 (give or take a few years on either side of those) as my touchstones. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 22 12:38:55 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 12:38:55 -0500 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll (A. Davey) In-Reply-To: <199911212153.QAA27870@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: At 16.40 -0500 99-11-21, Keith Henderson wrote: >Dave said... >>I miss his bass playing and general drive. I can't say I miss his >"singing" >though. >then RJ added... >>I admit (and so has he,) that his singing voice is not the greatest, but I >>love the backups he provided on certain songs. > >I thought it really mattered *what* song he was singing. Alan's voice was >just fine for things like LSD and Wings. But the one song I thought was >awful with Alan singing was 'Ejection.' His voice just was not right for >that one. Agreed. Alan is a bass monster and his voice is passable ... on the right songs. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 22 12:15:10 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:15:10 EDT Subject: HW/OFF: "musicians made drug use look tempting?" ^_~ =koff= In-Reply-To: <0.4ff28d68.256ad898@aol.com> Message-ID: > From: DASLUD at AOL.COM > Study Finds Teens Drug Use Leveling Off > > By LARRY McSHANE > .c The Associated Press > > NEW YORK (Nov. 22) - The latest survey from the Partnership for a Drug-Free > America Ah, well, then we all know there isn't a hint of bias or exaggeration in THEIR findings. Wonder how many folks that belong to the Partnership drink alcohol, coffee, smoke cigs, etc? Wonder how many of 'em take prozac [probably a lot, eh?] valium etc... finds that drug use among teen-agers' is leveling off, with more > teens rejecting the notion that drugs are cool. And one Theo Jackson reports that belief in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny is currently at an all-time high... > > ``This trend means we have to keep up our efforts,'' said Barry McCaffrey, > director of the White House drug control policy office. ``The teen-age notion > that everyone is doing drugs and that there must be something wrong with me > has to be dispelled.'' > Read this carefully! > The 12th annual survey, released today, shows that 40 percent of teens > questioned felt ``really cool'' kids did not use drugs. By comparison, 35 > percent of those surveyed in 1998 agreed with that statement, indicating more > kids are turned off by drugs now than before. > Or they're simply hip enough to goof on the survey takers... > Among 13- to 15-year-olds, 8 percent believed marijuana smokers were popular, > down from 13 percent last year and 17 percent in 1997, the survey found. > > The survey found other evidence that the role of drugs in teen culture was > dissipating: > > Thirty-five percent of teens felt that ``most people will try marijuana > sometime,'' down from 40 percent a year ago. > > The number of teens agreeing with the statement ``it seems like marijuana is > everywhere these days'' dropped to 48 percent this year, down from 52 percent > last year and 59 percent in 1997. > What's all this mention of weed. I thought they were talking about drugs? > While 48 percent of teens last year felt musicians made drug use look > tempting, that figure was down to 42 percent this year. > > Trial use of marijuana, inhalants, methamphetamine, LSD, cocaine and crack > were all down. The dropoff in cocaine and crack trial use was the first since > 1993. > Good! Means there's more for the 'rest' of us... > ``The tide appears to be turning,'' said Partnership chairman James E. Burke. > ``Across the board ... teen-agers are disassociating drugs from critically > important badges of teen identity.'' > > But Burke said the war against drugs was far from over: ``It's too early to > declare a major turnaround in drug-related attitudes and drug use.'' > Funny, I get at least one book in here a week that says drug use is at an all-time 'high...' > The Partnership for a Drug-Free America, launched in 1987, is a non-profit > coalition of communications industry professionals aimed at reducing the > demand for illegal drugs. So I guess that means that none of them get a salary, right? theo From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 22 13:35:30 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 18:35:30 GMT Subject: HW/OFF: "musicians made drug use look tempting?" ^_~ =koff= In-Reply-To: Ted Jackson jr. s2h2's message of Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:15:10 EDT Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 writes: > > From: DASLUD at AOL.COM > > Study Finds Teens Drug Use Leveling Off > > > > By LARRY McSHANE > > .c The Associated Press > > > > NEW YORK (Nov. 22) - The latest survey from the Partnership for a Drug-Free > > America > > Ah, well, then we all know there isn't a hint of bias or exaggeration > in THEIR findings. Wonder how many folks that belong to the > Partnership drink alcohol, coffee, smoke cigs, etc? Wonder how many > of 'em take prozac [probably a lot, eh?] valium etc... I also saw on libernet today that a Colorado School District wants to limit the prescription of psychoactive drugs such as prozac and ritalin to students. This is a result of the discovery that in almost all recent school shootings, at least one of the perpetrators has been taking such drugs. Separately I also note that in the US, gun deaths and gun injuries are now at a thirty year low and very large drops in most categories of violent crime, as well as burglary, have been measured in 1999. This while legal gun ownership has been extended to its highest levels yet amongst those with no violent or mental history and while illegal gun ownership is facing various clampdowns as already enacted laws are put into effect. At this rate, you guys will soon be dispensing advice to the UK on how to tackle crime. You already have a lower burglary rate than here. FoFP From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Nov 22 13:39:14 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 18:39:14 +0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991122152204.00958a30@pop.casema.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, cosmos wrote: > here another fan who misses alan and now he's even playing crappy motorhead > covers. > come on he can do better then that. If EMI Germany have the good sense to give the man the record deal he's after the new Bedouin album should answer that plea. The new material is better than anything on _Bedouin_ (though he has yet to equal `Sputnik Stan' or `The Call' for me). I just wish it'd happen rather than him touring like a bastard and releasing little CDRs like some tinpot student band. Bedouin are _better_ than that. Yours, Jon From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Mon Nov 22 13:31:33 1999 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 19:31:33 +0100 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: cosmos schrieb: > hey andreas > do you remember the august milky way gigs in amsterdam with this line-up. > i still think they were great then. Hi Andre I missed them cos I didn?t know they were there... I still could kick my ass. But yes, they were really great (I?ve got a tape of the gig) > and now it's definately time for ron to leave before he ruins hawkwind, > there are enough > decent replacements from the past or even brand new bass playing fans > ............ I think of ex-Darxtar/now Pseudo Sun bass hero Juba Nurmenniemi... Andreas From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Nov 22 13:44:49 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 18:44:49 +0000 Subject: OFF : Tangerine Dream In-Reply-To: <199911221527.PAA25895@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, M Holmes wrote: > What he said except that I'd add that the albums "Ricochet" and > "Stratosfear" which marked their switch from the atmospheric to the > melodic albums are truly amazing. After that highlights are "Cyclone", > the indispensable "Force Majeure" (play that loud and I defy you not to > do it again immediately) "Encore", "Logos" and "White Eagle". I'd concur > that from the second Froese got his kids into the band in 1989 there's > been nothing but new age fusion and some middling film scores or > compilations. I've been told that they've come back to their old style > recently and I'd give 'em another try if someone knowledgeable would > recommend an album - I used to go to TD gigs in the same way I did > Hawkwind gigs and I've kinda missed 'em. I did hear "Goblin's Club" which > showed some promise. I don't know about _Goblin's Club_ or its successor _Tyranny of Beauty_ but I do know that what followed that was a live album called _Tournado_ which had actual songs on it, as in live renditions of album pieces. Which, in the light of _Ricochet_ or even _Live Miles_, struck me as all I needed not to bother to keep track of them any more. I was vaguely tempted by their 1997 gig in London when I had more money than I do now, but it was four days before Hawkwind and I found out about _Tournado_ the same week and it didn't seem so essential. Yours, Jon From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Nov 22 13:35:30 1999 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (IAN ABRAHAMS) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 18:35:30 -0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: Al wrote: ....Ron puts himself into the show and > the band too..Ok hes not the greates Bass player in the world and hes no muso > ,but with the exception of Simon House who in the bands History really has > been ? Huw Lloyd Langton of course! Ian ian at abrahamsi.freeserve.co.uk From sprawl at STARPOWER.NET Mon Nov 22 13:53:34 1999 From: sprawl at STARPOWER.NET (Sprawl) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:53:34 -0500 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: Nope. Alan knew he couldn't sing, and really didn't want to (as much as he did.) Alot of the time he sang, he did it to help bear that burden. Singing and playing simultaneously is not easy. And doing it on a tour has got to be hell. I miss pretty much everything about Alan. I miss all of his talents, and I miss -him.- Anyway, there are very few rock artists who ever really could sing. (IMO) Rj -----Original Message----- From: M Holmes To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Monday, November 22, 1999 11:20 AM Subject: Re: HW: Recent v Old / Poll >Tim Stephenson writes: > >> >But I REALLY, REALLY miss Alan >> >> ditto with cherries on. > >His playing yes, badly. His singing? Absolutely not. It's probably just >as well Alan and Tim were never in the band at the same time. They both >seemed to think they could sing and a "duet" might have been inevitable. > >FoFP From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Mon Nov 22 13:59:51 1999 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 10:59:51 -0800 Subject: OFF: Farflung Message-ID: > The track Landing on Cygonia is awesome. I'd > recommend it for this alone, but the whole album is good too. Many many thanks for this message! I caught this track this Saturday on the local college station's spacerock show (AWESOME! When you hear 6 HW tracks in 2 hours on the radio, something's right in the world!) Unfortunately the dj only backannounced to the track that followed it (which happened to be Sonic Attack, yay!) They played a lot of Sundial stuff too, mighty fine. scorch (yep, I'm back, finally.....) From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 22 13:00:11 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:00:11 EDT Subject: HW/OFF: "musicians made drug use look tempting?" ^_~ =koff= In-Reply-To: <199911221835.SAA28525@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > From: M Holmes > Separately I also note that in the US, gun deaths and gun injuries are > now at a thirty year low and very large drops in most categories of > violent crime, as well as burglary, have been measured in 1999. Did you know that the leading cause of death for African-American males under age 25 is murder by gunshot? This > while legal gun ownership has been extended to its highest levels yet > amongst those with no violent or mental history and while illegal gun > ownership is facing various clampdowns as already enacted laws are put > into effect. Thing is, this stat. means nothing as long as huge numbers of handguns are still being produced. There are more guns than people in the US! The criminals will always find a way to obtain guns. We need to curtail production, but you know, in the good ole USA, you can't infringe on anyone's right to conduct business... > > At this rate, you guys will soon be dispensing advice to the UK on how > to tackle crime. You already have a lower burglary rate than here. > Can this be true? theo From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Nov 22 13:45:18 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:45:18 -0500 Subject: Early Festy Warnings... Message-ID: Make your Y2K plans now... The Mandelbrot Sets - A SpaceRock Festival is on! July 1-2, 2000 at the Elks Lodge Pavilions, 148 Roberts Street, East Hartford, CT. Food and Beverages will be provided by the Elks and other vendors. Performances by Alien Planetscapes, Amnesty Underground, Born to Go, Circle of Karma, The Dark Aether Project, Das Ludicroix, Escapade, Nebula Trip, Quarkspace and Sloterdijk. Tickets are $20 - 2-day pass, $12 - 1-day pass. Make checks payable to Tim Just and send to Mandelbrot Tix C/o Nebula Trip, PO Box 380737, East Hartford, CT 06138-0737. Gifts to be named for Quarkstock and NEARFest stub holders. See you there! Quarkstock 2000, the first in an annual series of spacerock and avant-prog, is taking place Memorial Day weekend 2000 (5/27-28) at Ruby Tuesday's (not the restaurant chain!) in Columbus OH. Scheduled to appear are, Alien Planetscapes, Architectual Metaphor, Born to Go, Dark Aether Project, Escapade, French TV, Tombstone Valentine and festival organizers, Quarkspace. The SolarFire Lightshow will be providing the visuals for the whole weekend. Cost for the whole festival is only $20, for more info go to http://quarkspace.com. NEARFest 2000 (www.nearfest.com) Next year, NEARfest will be held at the 1,002-seat Baker Hall at the Zoellner Arts Center at Lehigh University in Bethlehem, PA. The event will take place on Saturday and Sunday, June 17 and 18, 2000. In addition to the increased seating capacity, NEARfest 2000 will feature credit card orders, assigned seating and multiple ticket prices, including a "golden circle" section right up front in the orchestra pit! We are also happy to announce that the Zoellner Arts Center has a liquor license and will serving beer and wine at the event. Line-up: 1. Happy the Man (United States) The greatest American progressive rock band is reforming and will play their first show in over 20 years at NEARfest 2000 2. Anekdoten (Sweden) One of Sweden's most beloved bands returns to the U.S. with their powerful Crimson-esque stylings 3. P?r Lindh Project (Sweden) Classically influenced symphonic rockers from Sweden led by keyboard wizard P?r Lindh 4. Il Balletto di Bronzo (Italy) Legendary Italian progressive band. Their 1972 album YS is considered to be possibly the best progressive rock release ever. 5. Iluvatar (United States) Passionate Baltimore neo-proggers come north in support of their newest release A Story Two Days Wide 6. D.F.A. (Italy) Italian quartet perform an energetic mix of fusion, counterpoint and classic Italian progressive 7. Nexus (Argentina) Argentinian symphonic neo-progressive band will be sure to turn heads in their first U.S. appearance 8. North Star (United States) Originally formed in 1976, Pennsylvania natives burst back on to the scene with their mid-70s Genesis and Red-era Crimson sounds Keith H. (FAA) P.S. Note: Peter Renfro says ProgDay will be moving from its normal Labor Day Weekend spot to some other time of the year. Still undecided. Perhaps a response to frequent hurricane appeareances in early September! From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Nov 22 15:33:59 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 12:33:59 -0800 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: I haven't had time to read through this thread yet, but I'd better add my "initial" vote: On Sat, 20 Nov 1999 15:01:29 +0100, Bernhard Pospiech wrote: >Hi there, > >let's start a poll with the question: > >What is your favorite HAWKWIND period/year ? I'll vote for 1978, because you (sort of) get the best of both worlds - the first half of the year had the ultra-melodic Simon House/Ade Shaw lineup performing 'Quark' and 'PXR5' era material - some of the best-written (IMO) Hawkwind songs like "Spirit of the Age", "Robot", "High Rise", "Damnation Alley", etc., followed in the second half of the year with the Hawklords, performing the most high-energy, downright punkiest stuff that Hawkwind ever did live. And I didn't even yet mention "Simon King" and "Robert Calvert" ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com >My favorite HW year is: 1989 ... there's Simon House again! From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Nov 22 15:29:03 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 12:29:03 -0800 Subject: OFF : This week ....in Space/Krautrock Message-ID: Sorry to chime in late, but a couple additions to this thread ... Yeah, I love the Cosmic Jokers! Probably the closest thing to them are Ash Ra Tempel's most "out" excursions ("Amboss", from the first album, for instance). Walter Wengm?ller's 'Tarot' double-album IS exceptionally good, and actually (IMO) worth the outrageous price (but I never would have paid that price without hearing how good it is; I just lucked out by getting a free copy from a friend who received a promo at work). It's far more "song"-oriented than the Cosmic Jokers or Ash Ra Tempel, and features outstanding gutiar work by both Gottsching and Enke, as well as some of Klaus Schulze's most freaked-out synth playing. Probably about the best example of what Klaus could've done in a Hawkwind/Roxy Music-type band. The first and third ('75) Neu! albums are excellent. If you've heard the live '76 version of "Uncle Sam's On Mars", then you've heard Hawkwind's most direct Neu! homage ('Opa-Loka' also comes very close). For the second album, the band had recorded the Super/Neuschnee 7" single, the label (UA) advanced them the money for a full LP, which was used up on the recording of one or two more songs. Since the record company wasn't gonna shell out any more $, they had to resort to the "16/78rpm" gimmick to pad out the LP; it probably should have been released as a mini-LP or 10" or something ... a few years later they could have released it as a "disco" 12" ;^). Amon Du?l (I)'s sole "real" studio album ('Paradeiswarts') sounds absolutely nothing like their four albums (7 LPs worth!) of bludgeoning "commune-rock", but is rather a very beautiful, laid back folkish psychedelic album. Sides 3&4 of 'Yeti' is a pretty decent comparison (since most of Amon Du?l I are on that improvisation), although I'd say 'Paradeiswarts' is a bit mellower. The Japanese CD reissue on Captain Trip includes two tracks from a 7" recorded at the same time, with the same sort of sound. Emtidi's 'Sa?t' LP falls into a similar category to my ears. and now, the reason you made your way through the message ... FREE TAPE OFFER! In the interest of getting some too-expensive-to-be-heard-by-enough-people music out to your ears, yesterday, I ran off two cassette copies of the 'Tarot' album (c90), and two cassette copies of the 1971 live tracks from the 'Ash Ra Tempel Private Tapes' (c110). I'll send these four tapes for *free* to the first people who Email me privately with their postal address, and specify which of the two tapes they want (sorry, one tape per "customer", but feel free to list first and second choices). If anyone wants to offer me a trade, I won't decline :^), but this is a no-strings-attached offer! -Doug ceres at sirius.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 22 14:25:21 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:25:21 -0500 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 18.39 +0000 99-11-22, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: >On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, cosmos wrote: >> here another fan who misses alan and now he's even playing crappy motorhead >> covers. >> come on he can do better then that. > > If EMI Germany have the good sense to give the man the record deal >he's after the new Bedouin album should answer that plea. The new material >is better than anything on _Bedouin_ (though he has yet to equal `Sputnik >Stan' or `The Call' for me). I just wish it'd happen rather than him >touring like a bastard and releasing little CDRs like some tinpot student >band. Bedouin are _better_ than that. When bands like Fu Manchu, Orange Goblin, Spiritual Beggars, etc. can sell out venues--small venues, but decent small venues--in England, and when I can walk into my dinky little local record store and find their records, and you can buy a copy of Kerrap! and read about them ... then there is no reason why Bedouin should not be doing as well. I think Alan should be trying to break into the whole "stoner/desert/wossname" genre, since whether or not its a niche, it's a more successful niche than he's in currently, and it's a niche Bedouin could market themselves within very easily. (Hell, Hawkwind could do the same if they leaned more on the guitar and bass and less on the dancey synths.) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 22 14:27:14 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:27:14 -0500 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 19.31 +0100 99-11-22, Andreas Stuewe wrote: >cosmos schrieb: >> and now it's definately time for ron to leave before he ruins hawkwind, >> there are enough >> decent replacements from the past or even brand new bass playing fans > >I think of ex-Darxtar/now Pseudo Sun bass hero Juba Nurmenniemi... Juba in HW would be pretty incredible :) But then Juba is pretty incredible anyway--I still remember Pseudo Sun's set at J?nk?ping with great fondness. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 22 14:30:38 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:30:38 -0500 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 18.39 +0000 99-11-22, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: >I just wish it'd happen rather than him >touring like a bastard and releasing little CDRs like some tinpot student >band. Bedouin are _better_ than that. And if he still wants more guiterrorists, I'm unemployed ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Mon Nov 22 11:44:29 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 10:44:29 -0600 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: >When I joined this group, I was under the mistaken impression it was for HW >fans, rather than critics who live in some 1970's saddo timewarp (yes - I am >over 40). More power to the Captain. Well done for giving Bridgett a go. >Ron Tree was an excellent development for the band. Rizz is another >EXCELLENT venture into new styles. Go for it. I am looking forward to the >next development, not harking back to Nostradamus's younger days. HW is a >band for now and the future. Yeah, well.... If it wasn't for us "OLD" folks who supported the band when it was a baby, the child might have grown up to be a promoter or roadie, instead of the King of Space music! And besides, I like ALL of space, but HW hasn't been back to "that" (`71-`76) part of space for 23 years, as far as a studio album. I think we have spent too much time in certain areas of space and not enough in others. But at least we're not like Ozric Tentacles, and never leave the dock. Although if your out of coffee, just pop in one of their CD's..... HAWKMAN From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Nov 22 16:27:19 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:27:19 -0800 Subject: OFF : This week ....in Space/Krautrock Message-ID: Hi, Both tapes of 'Tarot' are spoken for. Both tapes of the 'Ash Ra Tempel Private Tapes' (live '71) are still available. -Doug ceres at sirius.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 22 15:20:29 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:20:29 -0500 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: <000f01bf3523$255c59c0$e9a2bcd0@hawkwind> Message-ID: At 10.44 -0600 99-11-22, Stephan Spiegel wrote: >>When I joined this group, I was under the mistaken impression it was for HW >>fans, rather than critics who live in some 1970's saddo timewarp (yes - I >am >>over 40). Well, I'm under 30, only heard of the band in about 1992 and like the early 70s stuff best *anyway* (though I like the early 90s stuff too). If I'm living in a timewarp, fetch me my diapers :) >>More power to the Captain. Well done for giving Bridgett a go. I liked Images. I don't mind some versions of Back in the Box. The swimming costume and random mummy stuff on the Nottingham vid is heinous, though! >>Ron Tree was an excellent development for the band. I like Ron, though not as much as a bass player as I liked Alan. I hoped a front man would allow Dave on concentrate on playing lots of loud guitar. Alas! >>Rizz is another >>EXCELLENT venture into new styles. On this I just can't agree :) >>Go for it. I am looking forward to the >>next development, not harking back to Nostradamus's younger days. HW is a >>band for now and the future. Sure. But I don't think all new developments are good developments--nor that developments are good just because they are new. I'm a fan, but a critical one :) I like Hawkwind, and like them best when the play the kind of music I like (which they often have). Perhaps the band would feel better if everyone liked everything no matter what. Perhaps the band would feel better to know what people like and what they don't. I don't know what the band would like, but I know what _I_ would like and that's what a discussion group is about, IMO. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Mon Nov 22 15:28:26 1999 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 20:28:26 -0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: I've been hanging around not getting involved in this, but here's my ideal line-up/fave time. Dave (of course), Alan, Richard (not just the best drummer HW have ever had, but possibly one of the best drummers around - period), Huw, Harvey - special guests Bridget, Simon - they seem to work well on the same songs (remembering the Space Bandits tour). If someone would shoot Ron and Nik, that would also make my line-up feel better. Jerry's a good guitarist (when you can hear him!), but his style isn't really HW - although Alchemy is still one of my favourite recent tracks, so maybe have him guest for just that track. Notwithstanding the above, favourite era has to be Electric Teepee - I caught the trio in Brighton on the second day of the tour and my friend and I looked at one another and said 'oh no - only 3 of them' - thinking it wasn't going to be too good. They opened with Right to Decide and within about 30 seconds, we were blown away - on the album, that, LSD, Secret Agent, Mask of the Morning and Sadness Runs Deep were just so good. Space Bandits is another under-rated album: the tour was very good too (saw that one in Croydon almost 9 years to the day before the recent gig) - I liked Bridget and Images is still one of my favourite tracks. The version of Damnation Alley on that tour was brilliant - I love the way Alan sings it. Alien 4 would have been better had it not been for Ron: Sputnik Stan is a great song, and the bass solo Alan plays just shows how good a bassist he actually is. On the album, Ron isn't too bad, but live he just amateur-ises the whole thing - if I've paid good money to see them, I want to see a professional show! Oh, and I don't dislike Riz - for the odd song (eg. Brainstorm), I like what he does - it's just his lyrics that seem childish. --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." From Alogilvy at AOL.COM Mon Nov 22 15:32:31 1999 From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Al Ogilvy) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:32:31 EST Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: On 22 / 11 Ian Abrahams wrote in reply...."Huw LLoyd Langton of course"... Yeh ....OK terribly sorry for that ommission ....I guess its how you define Muso thats the point here......I actually rate Huw as one of my top 3 favourite HW family members of all time...Nik and Bob being the others..so It wasnt an insult leaving him out,it was just that I dont think he ever had a "Muso" attitude. Dont get me wrong, I dont think Simon has an attitude problem,far from it.I've just always seen him as from the "Arty" side of music (ie Third ear Band,High Tide,David Bowie etc) and treating music very seriously. To my mind Huw has always had that punky hippy ethos thing in the background, which I've always seen as such a big part of HW. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 22 16:53:01 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:53:01 -0500 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: <00a701bf3528$21f48460$a8c0a8c0@hudson> Message-ID: At 20.28 +0000 99-11-22, Kevin Perry wrote: >Dave (of course), Alan, Richard (not just the best drummer HW have ever had, >but possibly one of the best drummers around - period) To assemble my ideal line-up which doesn't seem wholly impractical (ie. a reconstituted SR lineup, reunion gig rumors not withstanding), I'd place those three at the core and then add Simon House and Del Dettmar. All the early 90s power trio lineup needed was dedicated people for twiddly noises (to keep Alan and Dave focused on bass and guitar) and House's violin adds excellent colour as an alternative lead instrument. All done :) >Notwithstanding the above, favourite era has to be Electric Teepee - I >caught the trio in Brighton on the second day of the tour and my friend and >I looked at one another and said 'oh no - only 3 of them' - thinking it >wasn't going to be too good. They opened with Right to Decide and within >about 30 seconds, we were blown away - on the album, that, LSD, Secret >Agent, Mask of the Morning and Sadness Runs Deep were just so good. Amen. >Space Bandits is another under-rated album: the tour was very good too (saw >that one in Croydon almost 9 years to the day before the recent gig) - I >liked Bridget and Images is still one of my favourite tracks. Images is great but I don't like the rest of Space Bandits so much. However, I think Out of the Shadows _live_ was utterly stonking, and the recent Bedouin version of Wings was much improved. >Alien 4 would have been better had it not been for Ron: Sputnik Stan is a >great song, and the bass solo Alan plays just shows how good a bassist he >actually is. On the album, Ron isn't too bad, but live he just amateur-ises >the whole thing - if I've paid good money to see them, I want to see a >professional show! Actually, I thought Ron was weak on Alien 4 and better (if variable) live. Sputnik Stan was tremendous, and the Bedouin version really made it rip and roar. >Oh, and I don't dislike Riz - for the odd song (eg. Brainstorm), I like what >he does - it's just his lyrics that seem childish. I still have yet to find a better reaction to Cap'n Riz than "Ooo, er ..." I'm sure he'd be good at something, I'm just doubtful that that something is Hawkwind. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Nov 22 16:34:24 1999 From: timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Tim Stephenson) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 21:34:24 -0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: >your mailer has replaced "complete tosser >ruining any chance of a credible" by EXCELLENT. Thought I should point >that out! Funny how that happens. >Alun S' a bugger when it does that isn't it. Mind you - I stand by version A. I'm not saying I rate the Rizz stuff highly, but I rate the band highly for trying this out. Seventies time-warp - say NON. T np - Dark Star, twenty twenty sound (highly recommended) From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Nov 22 18:53:01 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 23:53:01 -0000 Subject: HW Favorite year/line-up Message-ID: Hasn't happened, yet. The band never seem to realise their full potential, whatever the line-up. Some closer than others mind..ah, things that could have been. Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Nov 22 18:54:33 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 23:54:33 -0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: You surely jest Dave -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Guy To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 22 November 1999 17:29 Subject: Re: HW: Recent v Old / Poll >Bridget who??? > >(Only Joking!!!!) > >Guy T > > -----Original Message----- > From: M Holmes [mailto:fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK] > Sent: 22 November 1999 16:04 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: HW: Recent v Old / Poll > > > >>> Bridgett doesn't cut it in the studio, and live isn't >just irritating, > > >>> is in fact dreadful > > >> > > >>Grrr. > > > > > > >And I'll second that grrrr. With an extra r. ;) > > > > Yes. I agree. Bridgett was phantastic !! > > > > Bernhard > > Bring Back Bridget! > > FoFP > From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Mon Nov 22 21:07:05 1999 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (Sen. Volstead) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 20:07:05 -0600 Subject: HW Favorite year/line-up Message-ID: david hall wrote: > Hasn't happened, yet. The band never seem to realise their full > potential, whatever the line-up. Some closer than others mind..ah, > things that could have been. Dave How depressing :) I maintain that the Huns were top notch in 362 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Mon Nov 22 22:24:36 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 22:24:36 EST Subject: OFF: "musicians made drug use look tempting?" ^_~ =koff= Message-ID: In a message dated 11/22/99 10:38:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: > Wonder how many > > of 'em take prozac [probably a lot, eh?] valium etc... > > I also saw on libernet today that a Colorado School District wants to > limit the prescription of psychoactive drugs such as prozac and ritalin > to students. This is a result of the discovery that in almost all recent > school shootings, at least one of the perpetrators has been taking such > drugs. Whoa, whoa: Prozac, if I'm not mistaken, is prescribed for depression/anxiety/obsessive-compulsive disorder. A bi-cyclate, or one of those groups. And valium for anxiety/insomnia. These aren't psychoses, eh. Chuck From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK Tue Nov 23 05:04:59 1999 From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (David Bottomley) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 10:04:59 -0000 Subject: AW: Glastonbury 1990 Questions Message-ID: >> A recent CDS catalogue supplement had 'Black Elk Speaks' listed as 'Magic of >> the Earth', the poem as 'The Door' and the unknown track as 'Sword of >> the Dawn' > >Won't that just be Sword of the East? Nothing to do with Sword of the East at all. It's basically a jam coming off the back of Ejection with some largely unintelligible (to me) Bridgett-isms over the top. Dave From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Tue Nov 23 05:51:56 1999 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (Sonique) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 21:51:56 +1100 Subject: HW: (Fwd) Hawkwind tabs ? Message-ID: Any of you Bass-Assassin #451's out there have tabs to help this guy? (Reply to mhmenard at nordnet.fr natch) S. ------- Forwarded message follows ------- Date sent: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 19:39:19 +0100 From: Nicolas To: sonique at maxwell.pcmicro.com.au Subject: Hawkwind tabs ? Hello. I'm looking for the guitar tab for "we took the wrong step years ago", album 'in search of space'. For any help, thank you. Nicolas Menard. ------------------------ mhmenard at nordnet.fr ------- End of forwarded message ------- -- The email address ---> sonique at sonique.net The current project ---> http://sonique.net/house The bank balance ---> In the red :) From MLee at ESPARTO.ORG Tue Nov 23 07:27:17 1999 From: MLee at ESPARTO.ORG (Mark Lee) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:27:17 +0000 Subject: HW: And other stuff too In-Reply-To: <199911222318.SAA23633@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: And lo, from almost utter silence did I return to pass comment thusly, following the arrival of these many missives in my tray of in:- >> > > P.P.P.S. I'm ignoring Tangerine Dream because I don't know enough about >> > > them...I see merit in their first 'rock' album (Electronic Meditation), >> but >> > > I was bored with 'Zeit.' >> >> Tangerine Dream has long been one of my obsessions. The band is pretty much >> useless now (and has been for quite some time-- at least a decade), but the >> earlier stuff is some of the greatest experimental music of all time. Until [ big snip here ] I've been into TD since around '74 and have most of the relased material since EM came out, my intro to the music was finding my old fella half stoned and lying on the floor listening to this weird noise - I waited several days until he was out and then had a listen for myself, hooked... I think that there is merit in most of the albums including the more commercial ones of the last few years but have to agree I'd rather listen to the earlier material, usually Tangram or Phaedra though I play the the Dream Mixes quite regularly and very loudly. Along with most of the TD 'purists' I hate the vocalised material with passion, the exception being Tyger - one of the best treatments of William Blake I've ever come across. It was actually through listening to TD that I was first given a taste of Hakwind - on of my mates heard my playing Rubycon and told me I just had to try some of his HW collection, followed by Floyd, Yes, and old Genesis. I don't care what anybody says, without bands of TD and HW creative stature then music as we know it today would still be no more adventurous than Status bloody Quo. Then there was this, >Andy Gilham writes: > >> > Isn't there a tendency to rubbish anybody doing a front(wo)man role in HW >> > post-Calvert? >> > >> > Ian >> > ian at abrahamsi.freeserve.co.uk >> > >> >> I suppose there is, but that's just because Bob was the best, and a real >> one-off. Ron's a likeable bloke, but he's no Calvert. >> >> (And I thought he looked disturbingly like Adam Ant at Croydon :) > >Hmmmm, Maybe they could get Adam Ant into the band? > >If they can't get Tim Blake or Simon House back permanently though, >perhaps they could speak nicely to Ed Alleyne Johnson... I second that as long as he leaves Denise at home, that guy makes some mean music - just the thought of him reproducing some of the soundscapes from Ultraviolet with Baron Brock is mouth-watering. However when 20-20 vision got played I hated most of it purely for the vocals - the only track that worked for me was White Rabbits. There are loads of other really interesting snippets from people saying so-and-so was the best, we all have our fave line-ups and fondest memories etc - my view is that for whatever reason the line-up has changed with sometimes startling speed but that the music has rarely failed to be creative in some respect, even when it's been a rehash of earlier material. For me at least nobody could replace Rob Calvert but I have to say that Ron came closest to giving a stage performance which was anything like as visually entertaining - well done Ron. Those who like a really SOLID bass line would likely favour Alan, as do I on many tracks but Huw is best for other stuff, it's all a matter of balance. Anyway - meetings to got to, later guys, Mark. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 23 11:54:39 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:54:39 GMT Subject: OFF: "musicians made drug use look tempting?" ^_~ =koff= In-Reply-To: Chuck Rosenberg's message of Mon, 22 Nov 1999 22:24:36 EST Message-ID: Chuck Rosenberg writes: > In a message dated 11/22/99 10:38:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, > fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: > > > Wonder how many > > > of 'em take prozac [probably a lot, eh?] valium etc... > > > > I also saw on libernet today that a Colorado School District wants to > > limit the prescription of psychoactive drugs such as prozac and ritalin > > to students. This is a result of the discovery that in almost all recent > > school shootings, at least one of the perpetrators has been taking such > > drugs. > > Whoa, whoa: Prozac, if I'm not mistaken, is prescribed for > depression/anxiety/obsessive-compulsive disorder. A bi-cyclate, or one of > those groups. And valium for anxiety/insomnia. These aren't psychoses, eh. Those and Luvox (sp?) are of concern because of disinhibition effects and because Luvox allegedly causes violent feelings in 4% of users. There's something amiss when 6 million kids are on psychoactive drugs for "Attention Deficit Disorder" and hyperactivity. When I grew up that was "Won't pay attention" and "won't behave" and schoolteachers had very direct ways of dealing with this. These "diseases" may exist, but I seriously doubt they exist in these numbers. I reckon the problem is bad parenting and (even at the risk of coming off as a conservative) parents putting their own convenience before the lives of their kids when considering separation and divorce. I find it completely bizarre that the same society which foisted the War on Some Drugs on the rest of the civilised world manages to sedate so many of its kids on other Drugs of Choice. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 23 11:57:17 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:57:17 GMT Subject: HW: And other stuff too In-Reply-To: Mark Lee's message of Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:27:17 +0000 Message-ID: Mark Lee writes: > >If they can't get Tim Blake or Simon House back permanently though, > >perhaps they could speak nicely to Ed Alleyne Johnson... > > I second that as long as he leaves Denise at home Yeah, like totally. > that guy makes some > mean music - just the thought of him reproducing some of the soundscapes > from Ultraviolet with Baron Brock is mouth-watering. Yep, Ultraviolet was what was on my mind. FoFP From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Nov 23 13:34:55 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 10:34:55 -0800 Subject: OFF : This week ....in Space/Krautrock Message-ID: All four tapes are accounted for. Congratulations to Arin Komins, Keith Henderson, Brian Donnell, Chuck Rosenberg. I may or may not be able to get them out before the holiday weekend (US Thanksgiving), so please be patient (at least the tapes are all already made!). Thanks to everyone else who wrote, -Doug ceres at sirius.com From age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Nov 23 05:53:17 1999 From: age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Adrian Parr) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 10:53:17 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind: Wanted, Website Message-ID: Me again Dunno if anyone can help, but I'm after the following for the Hawkwind book: 1. Cover from the Bournemouth Academy 1990 video. 2. The large colour poster for the Alien 4 album 3. Any gig ads from the recent November 1999 gigs Email: age.p at conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk Thanks to everyone who helped out with all the other scans, much appreciated. Been away a fair bit recently, hence the Hawkeye website hasn't been updated for a while. I'll soon be updating with plenty of stuff, including the rest of the Carleen eclipse party review with a couple of photos. Age Visit the "Hawkeye on Hawkwind" website at: http://www.conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk/index.html From age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Nov 23 05:46:09 1999 From: age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Adrian Parr) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 10:46:09 -0000 Subject: Top Hawkwind year Message-ID: Hello Yeah, must agree that 1989 was a blinding year for Hawkwind live, though this all started in 1988 when the band seemed to play every other week. That Summer was full of festival gigs with Hawkdog, plus 3 Hawkwind tours and a few shows as Agents Of Chaos in the Autumn. Anyone out there at the festival in Barnstaple in July 1988. That really was an awesome festi. Come to think of it, the Hawkdog show at Camden was also a blinder. Then there was Bob and the Calvert exhibition, free Stonehenge campaign and generally alot of chaos and energy. This spilt over to 1989 where the sound and lightshow really did hit a peak. I remember all this with much fondness, as 1988 and 1989 was without doubt the years i saw Hawkwind most, and with the arrival of Mr. Chadwick on drums, Hawkwind went from strength to strength. Best regards Age Visit the "Hawkeye on Hawkwind" website at: http://www.conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk/index.html From age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Nov 23 05:37:47 1999 From: age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Adrian Parr) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 10:37:47 -0000 Subject: OFF: Stonehenge Message-ID: Hi Folks Better late than never i guess, but off the Stonehenge 1984 thread, a mate of mine always raved about the band Seperate Energy who played at the festival, does anyone remember them? They used to play at a pub called the Southampton in Surbiton in the mid 1980's, and I'm certain i saw em there, but never did get to Stonehenge, well not when there was the festival, only when the police and co. were having there own private gathering. All the best Age Visit the "Hawkeye on Hawkwind" website at: http://www.conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk/index.html From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Nov 23 12:36:26 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:36:26 +0000 Subject: Bedouin & the "Scene" (was: HW: Recent v Old / Poll) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > When bands like Fu Manchu, Orange Goblin, Spiritual Beggars, etc. can sell > out venues--small venues, but decent small venues--in England, and when I > can walk into my dinky little local record store and find their records, > and you can buy a copy of Kerrap! and read about them ... then there is no > reason why Bedouin should not be doing as well. I think Alan should be > trying to break into the whole "stoner/desert/wossname" genre, since > whether or not its a niche, it's a more successful niche than he's in > currently, and it's a niche Bedouin could market themselves within very > easily. That's a damn good point. The Stoner/Desert thing is , while not big, graced with a number of very useful record labels, like Man's Ruin or Meteorcity, which while not brilliantly co-ordinated get CDs into shops and as far as I can tell don't screw their bands over or insist on long-term record deals. And Bedouin, though they root in Motorhead more than in Sabbath as do the British stoner bands like Orange Goblin or Hangnail, could share a billwith them quite comfortably. It's part of a bigger phenomenon, it seems to me: the bands you might see at a festival, like HW, Bedouin or the Ozrics, are not the same as the stoner ones that you might see at this Man's Ruin mini-fest that will some day happen in London. They just don't blend at all; in London it even comes down to venues, the stoner bands play the Underworld or the Garage and Alan and Huw play the Riggers or wherever. Yet it's not as if the two sides are unaware of each other. Why is there this split between the scenes? Is it the same in the US? It's odd and frustrating. Afterthought: though they might be a bit loud and punk for them, Bedouin could do worse than deal with Snapper I'd have thought. Yours, Jon n/p: Pink Floyd - _Piper at the Gates of Dawn_ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Nov 23 12:37:58 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:37:58 +0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > At 18.39 +0000 99-11-22, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > >I just wish it'd happen rather than him > >touring like a bastard and releasing little CDRs like some tinpot student > >band. Bedouin are _better_ than that. > > And if he still wants more guiterrorists, I'm unemployed ;) Hell, mate, if Ron Tree's watching this list you may want to pick up that Rickenbacker of yours and prep up a CV :-) Yours, Jon From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Nov 23 12:41:54 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:41:54 +0000 Subject: OFF: Recent Ozrics (was: HW: Recent v Old / Poll) In-Reply-To: <000f01bf3523$255c59c0$e9a2bcd0@hawkwind> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Stephan Spiegel wrote: > And besides, I like ALL of space, but HW hasn't been back to "that" > (`71-`76) > part of space for 23 years, as far as a studio album. I think we have spent > too > much time in certain areas of space and not enough in others. > > But at least we're not like Ozric Tentacles, and never leave the dock. > Although > if your out of coffee, just pop in one of their CD's..... The Freak Emporium were saying exciting things about how the new one, _Waterfall Cities_, was a new departure and their strongest stuff for ages. On the other hand, the Freak Emporium are trying to sell CDs. Has anyone heard it and how does it compare, for points of reference, to, say, _Erpland_, _Strangeitude_ and _Become the Other_ (my three favourites... )? Yours, Jon P.S. I'm spawning loads of threads here, this is a good discussion :-) From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Nov 23 12:52:31 1999 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:52:31 +0000 Subject: OFF: Recent Ozrics (was: HW: Recent v Old / Poll) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:41:54 GMT." Message-ID: > The Freak Emporium were saying exciting things about how the new > one, _Waterfall Cities_, was a new departure and their strongest stuff for > ages. On the other hand, the Freak Emporium are trying to sell CDs. Has > anyone heard it and how does it compare, for points of reference, to, > say, _Erpland_, _Strangeitude_ and _Become the Other_ (my three > favourites... )? Yours, I dunno about Waterfall Cities, but I picked up _Floating Seeds: Ozric Tentacles Remixed_ last week. Bit of mixed bag really, some obligatory 4:4 beat tracks, but a few of the interpretations stand out - Youth's mix of _Sploosh!_ fer instance... cheers Tim ObCD: Dark Star, _twenty twenty sound_ From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Nov 23 13:02:38 1999 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:02:38 -0600 Subject: OFF: Recent Ozrics (was: HW: Recent v Old / Poll) In-Reply-To: <199911231752.RAA12048@aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, bart wrote: :Subject: Re: OFF: Recent Ozrics (was: HW: Recent v Old / Poll) : :> The Freak Emporium were saying exciting things about how the new :> one, _Waterfall Cities_, was a new departure and their strongest stuff for :> ages. On the other hand, the Freak Emporium are trying to sell CDs. Has :> anyone heard it and how does it compare, for points of reference, to, :> say, _Erpland_, _Strangeitude_ and _Become the Other_ (my three :> favourites... )? Yours, : :I dunno about Waterfall Cities, but I picked up _Floating Seeds: Ozric :Tentacles Remixed_ last week. Bit of mixed bag really, some obligatory 4:4 :beat tracks, but a few of the interpretations stand out - Youth's mix of :_Sploosh!_ fer instance... : ooooh. I haven't picked up Floating Seeds yet, but I need to. How were the eat static tracks? (eat static being ozrics in a techno-ish mood.) as for waterfall cities, well, it wasn't strangeitude, but it was better (imho) than become the other. Speaking of live shows, ozrics really does do a fun show. Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #305A Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 23 12:19:33 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 13:19:33 EDT Subject: OFF: "musicians made drug use look tempting?" ^_~ =koff= In-Reply-To: <199911231654.QAA06796@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > From: M Holmes I reckon the problem is bad > parenting and (even at the risk of coming off as a conservative) Jeez, now who would ever think that a guy who advocates arming the entire citezenry is a conservative! Who woulda ever figured Charlton Heston to be a HW fan? C'mon, Chuck, you can drop the pseudonym, we're all friends here... [that was a joke, BTW] parents > putting their own convenience before the lives of their kids when > considering separation and divorce. I think it's part that but also they can't bear the thought that maybe they aren't doing a great job raising kids, so why not let some quack prescribe drugs to help? Parents can't raise kids nowadays because they're too busy working overtime or a second job to spend time with their kids--but that won't stop them from having more children... > > I find it completely bizarre that the same society which foisted the War > on Some Drugs on the rest of the civilised world manages to sedate so > many of its kids on other Drugs of Choice. > > FoFP Yeah, well there's always Holland. I cataloged a book a couple months ago, written by a conservative Republican who advocated the legalization of all drugs. This guy worked in Bush's cabinet, and he could see the inequity and destructiveness of the so-called 'war on drugs.' When will the rest catch on? theo From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Nov 23 13:23:22 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 13:23:22 -0500 Subject: Bedouin & the "Scene" (was: HW: Recent v Old / Poll) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 17.36 +0000 99-11-23, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > It's part of a bigger phenomenon, it seems to me: the bands you >might see at a festival, like HW, Bedouin or the Ozrics, are not the same >as the stoner ones that you might see at this Man's Ruin mini-fest that >will some day happen in London. They just don't blend at all; in London it >even comes down to venues, the stoner bands play the Underworld or the >Garage and Alan and Huw play the Riggers or wherever. Yet it's not as if >the two sides are unaware of each other. Why is there this split between >the scenes? Is it the same in the US? It's odd and frustrating. At Strange Daze this past year, I noted the bill was heavy on "space" and less heavy on "rock"--Born to Go and Farflung being notable exceptions. I suppose people who like the heavier stuff gravitate towards "stoner" and people who like the lighter gravitate towards "space/ambient"? Our society is so label conscious, there seems no escape. Hawkwind at their best straddle the light and the heavy, and I wish there was more crossover in the scene(s). I like the heavy blanga stuff, I like the spacey trippy stuff, I like them very well both at the same time :) But Bedouin seemed to me like a Motorhead-influenced band that due to their heaviness would fit well in the "stoner" scene (Sabbathoid or not) but were marketing themselves on the strength of Alan's associations with latter-day Hawkwind. I appreciate the desire of the _artiste_ ;) to avoid pigeonholing, but a little careful pigeonholing which raises awareness of your music among audiences who will probably like it might be a good idea. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Nov 23 13:45:24 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:45:24 +0000 Subject: Bedouin & the "Scene" (was: HW: Recent v Old / Poll) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > At Strange Daze this past year, I noted the bill was heavy on "space" and > less heavy on "rock"--Born to Go and Farflung being notable exceptions. I > suppose people who like the heavier stuff gravitate towards "stoner" and > people who like the lighter gravitate towards "space/ambient"? Our society > is so label conscious, there seems no escape. Which is odd, really, given that Farflung started as a trance act. Or so their ex-bassist would have me believe, but he is very odd. They float as well as bludgeon, it seems to me. > Hawkwind at their best straddle the light and the heavy, and I wish there > was more crossover in the scene(s). I like the heavy blanga stuff, I like > the spacey trippy stuff, I like them very well both at the same time :) The only crossovers I can think of at the moment are Electric Wizard, who are definitely in space even if it's some part of space one really doesn't want to live, and a NZ band called Datura who mostly sound like Fu Manchu, but, I am told, have a guitarist who suffers from wanting to be Manuel Gottsching and thus manage to take off more than a bit. I have not heard their stuff but it is on the list :-) > But Bedouin seemed to me like a Motorhead-influenced band that due to their > heaviness would fit well in the "stoner" scene (Sabbathoid or not) but were > marketing themselves on the strength of Alan's associations with latter-day > Hawkwind. I appreciate the desire of the _artiste_ ;) to avoid > pigeonholing, but a little careful pigeonholing which raises awareness of > your music among audiences who will probably like it might be a good idea. I think Man's Ruin could do Alan a lot of favours; they are very well-connected over here and he can play several of their bands off the stage. Yours, Jon From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Nov 23 13:52:44 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:52:44 +0000 Subject: HW: Space is Deep In-Reply-To: <0.bc7b4809.2560a152@aol.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Nov 1999, Chuck Rosenberg wrote: > In a message dated 11/14/99 4:38:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, DASLUD at AOL.COM > writes: > > << darn. > " space is deep" isnt even on my allegedly complete copy of SR2, tho it seems > like more than one party has said as much. is there an incarnation of SR2 > which includes the "space is deep", as previously discussed? > > ---I don't think so; I think any SR2 has the title "Space" but that is only > Elec. #1 (maybe it should have been titled #2??). But the other SiD on the > Anthology/Acid Daze/Etc. collections--I assumed that was the other SiD (the > one from 12/22, or 12/30, if the orig. is 12/22). Chuck I haven't played them parallel, but I'd swear the sax lines are identical. I don't believe Nik could do that on two nights :-) Yours, Jon From hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU Tue Nov 23 14:15:27 1999 From: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU (Thomas Rickert) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 13:15:27 -0600 Subject: Bedouin & the "Scene" (was: HW: Recent v Old / Poll) Message-ID: Furthering the Man'sRuin connections, check out Natas (not the rap act). They are like mellow Kyuss (who also mix the light/heavy/psych/space categories). But Natas stretch out a good bit, and their songs just flow one part into another. In fact, their albums have a continuity that makes them seem like one long and excellent song. Their new one, Cuidad de Brahman, is simply amazing. There is actually a good bit of stuff like this out there; it's just sometimes hard to find... --thomas Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > > > Hawkwind at their best straddle the light and the heavy, and I wish there > > was more crossover in the scene(s). I like the heavy blanga stuff, I like > > the spacey trippy stuff, I like them very well both at the same time :) > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 23 14:17:40 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:17:40 GMT Subject: OFF: "musicians made drug use look tempting?" ^_~ =koff= In-Reply-To: Ted Jackson jr. s2h2's message of Tue, 23 Nov 1999 13:19:33 EDT Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 writes: > > From: M Holmes > I reckon the problem is bad > > parenting and (even at the risk of coming off as a conservative) > > Jeez, now who would ever think that a guy who advocates arming the > entire citezenry That's the entire *law abiding* citizenry over age of adulthood thanks. > is a conservative! A rash assumption when it's a perfectly normal libertarian policy. Let's throw in me being pro-choice on abortion, in favour of legalisation and sale of all drugs to consenting adults (including those currently monopolised by folks with a medical degree), in favour of the legalisation of brothels, in favour of the abolition of all laws limiting gambling or any form of sex between consenting adults, in favour of the repeal of laws pertaining to the sale of alcohol to consenting adults except those pertaining to labelling, quality control, and fraud. In favour of laws abolishing any politician interfering in the marketplace except insofar as to protect against theft or fraud. In favour of laws abolishing any but voluntary taxation (if the politicians have a project then they can convince us that it's a good idea at their own expense and then pass the hat for those thus convinced to contribute). In favour of repeal of any law concerning pornography involving only consenting adults. In favour of amendment of any law favouring any one religion or cult to similarly favour all religions and cults and also atheism. I'll skip my more radical political beliefs to save bandwidth. In favour of marriage of gay couples of either flavour or eunuchs with all the legal benefits thereof (and come to think of it I've nothing against marriages involving multiples of people either - whatever burns their candle). Now, find me any active conservative who'll go along with all of the above in a public statement and I'll cop to being a conservative. > > I find it completely bizarre that the same society which foisted the War > > on Some Drugs on the rest of the civilised world manages to sedate so > > many of its kids on other Drugs of Choice. > Yeah, well there's always Holland. I cataloged a book a couple > months ago, written by a conservative Republican who advocated the > legalization of all drugs. This guy worked in Bush's cabinet, and he > could see the inequity and destructiveness of the so-called 'war on > drugs.' When will the rest catch on? Either the rest of the world (except the Swedes) are just gonna defy the US on this one when things get too detructive or the US is going to lead the retreat. The only way forward in the US that I can see is as with the repeal of the Volstead Act: the States have gotta go ahead in defiance of the federal government until they cry uncle. > theo FoFP From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 23 14:05:16 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:05:16 EDT Subject: OFF: "musicians made drug use look tempting?" ^_~ =koff= In-Reply-To: <199911231917.TAA07696@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > From: M Holmes > > Jeez, now who would ever think that a guy who advocates arming the > > entire citezenry > > That's the entire *law abiding* citizenry over age of adulthood thanks. > > > is a conservative! > > A rash assumption when it's a perfectly normal libertarian policy. > > Let's throw in me being pro-choice on abortion, in favour of > legalisation and sale of all drugs to consenting adults (including > those currently monopolised by folks with a medical degree), in favour > of the legalisation of brothels, in favour of the abolition of all laws > limiting gambling or any form of sex between consenting adults, in > favour of the repeal of laws pertaining to the sale of alcohol to > consenting adults except those pertaining to labelling, quality control, > and fraud. In favour of laws abolishing any politician interfering in > the marketplace except insofar as to protect against theft or fraud. In > favour of laws abolishing any but voluntary taxation (if the politicians > have a project then they can convince us that it's a good idea at their > own expense and then pass the hat for those thus convinced to > contribute). In favour of repeal of any law concerning pornography > involving only consenting adults. In favour of amendment of any law > favouring any one religion or cult to similarly favour all religions > and cults and also atheism. I'll skip my more radical political beliefs > to save bandwidth. In favour of marriage of gay couples of either > flavour or eunuchs with all the legal benefits thereof (and come to > think of it I've nothing against marriages involving multiples of people > either - whatever burns their candle). > > Now, find me any active conservative who'll go along with all of the > above in a public statement and I'll cop to being a conservative. > Jeez, Mike, looks like the only place we part company is over guns! > > > I find it completely bizarre that the same society which foisted the War > > > on Some Drugs on the rest of the civilised world manages to sedate so > > > many of its kids on other Drugs of Choice. > > > Yeah, well there's always Holland. I cataloged a book a couple > > months ago, written by a conservative Republican who advocated the > > legalization of all drugs. This guy worked in Bush's cabinet, and he > > could see the inequity and destructiveness of the so-called 'war on > > drugs.' When will the rest catch on? > > Either the rest of the world (except the Swedes) are just gonna defy the > US on this one when things get too detructive or the US is going to lead > the retreat. The only way forward in the US that I can see is as with > the repeal of the Volstead Act: the States have gotta go ahead in > defiance of the federal government until they cry uncle. > Worst thing about prohibition was that it actually became a constitutional amendment! And it took another amendment to repeal it. There have only been something like 25 amendments to the constitution in 200 years, the last one happened over 30 years ago. Goes to show what can happen when a highly determined group seizes the political process in a vacuum created by general voter indifference... theo From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Tue Nov 23 15:03:32 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Zeitgeist) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 20:03:32 +0000 Subject: BOC: New Compilation track Listing Message-ID: Received from Sony. February of 2000 will see the release "Don't Fear The Reaper", a new BLUE OYSTER CULT compilation. Tracks to be included: "Cities On Flame With Rock And Roll", "The Red & The Black", "Flaming Telepaths", "Astronomy", "This Ain't The Summer Of Love", "(Don't Fear) The Reaper", "I Love The Night", "Goin' Through The Motions", "Godzilla", "In Thee", "The Marshall Plan", "Black Blade", "Joan Crawford", "Burnin' For You", "Shooting Shark", "Take Me Away". SAH NP Motorhead - The Chase Is Better Than The Catch Blessings and peace from Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground E-zine, freezine and online Record Store at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van Vliet alternate url: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Nov 23 15:35:31 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 20:35:31 -0000 Subject: OFF Spiritualised Message-ID: I bought the last studio cd when it came out. Brilliant! Are the other releases up to the same standard? What about Spacemen 3 are they worth investigating? I caught Spiritualised at Glasgow on the last tour; the band to appeared to be on top form, however, the sound was so dire they could hardly be made out. Is this normal for one of their gigs? Ta Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET Tue Nov 23 16:33:08 1999 From: bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:33:08 -0500 Subject: BOC: New Compilation track Listing In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19991123200332.006888fc@pop3.connectfree.co.uk> Message-ID: This is the comp that the AOL BOC board voted on, right? Stuart wrote: >February of 2000 will see the release "Don't Fear The Reaper", a new BLUE >OYSTER CULT compilation. Tracks to be included: "Cities On Flame With Rock >And Roll", "The Red & The Black", "Flaming Telepaths", "Astronomy", "This >Ain't The Summer Of Love", "(Don't Fear) The Reaper", "I Love The Night", >"Goin' Through The Motions", ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Surely they must mean "Fireworks" or "Golden Age." Or is there an undercurrent of BOC fandom who didn't think it was enough to put "GTtM" on WotT? >"Godzilla", "In Thee", "The Marshall Plan", ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Must have been a toss-up between that and Debbie Denise. ;-) >"Black Blade", "Joan Crawford", "Burnin' For You", "Shooting Shark", "Take >Me Away". No complaints about these. Gotta have the big three I suppose, "tR&tB" and "Flaming Telepaths" are two of my faves, and I like "I Love the Night." Not too bad. I don't agree with the notion that die-hard BOC fans should be asked to choose tracks that would mostly appeal to newbie fans. But it looks like they did a good job choosing overall. Brian In rotation today> BOC: "FoUO", HW: "Alien 4" >SAH >NP Motorhead - The Chase Is Better Than The Catch >Blessings and peace from Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground >E-zine, freezine and online Record Store at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com >PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK >"The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world >touches too hard" Don Van Vliet >alternate url: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Nov 23 16:35:59 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:35:59 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Set-list 11/20 and 11/21/99 Message-ID: "Space Does Not Care" airs every Sat evening 5-8pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. E-mail for web-radio instructions (to those who asked about SDNC airing at a different time on WinAmp: checking into it...) 11/20/99--special "Freak Out" edition: 1.Reading of "Freaking Out" Manifesto by F. Zappa (liner notes of "Freak Out" album) 2.Zappa/Mothers--Who are the Brain Police? (Freak Out) 3.Hawkwind--Paranoia Pt. 2/Seeing it As You Really Are (Hawkwind) 4.Subarachnoid Space--Whispers of Momentum (Ether Or) 5.Amon Duul II--Dem Guten Schonen Wahren (Phallus Dei) 6.Beyondomatic--Green Organ Preciface (Your Body) 7.Guru Guru--Space Ship (Hinten) 8.Hawkwind--Time We Left (Space Ritual 2) 9.F/i--Space Station (Turn Century Turn comp) 10.Ozric Tentacles--Even the Air is Dreaming (Travellers' Aid Trust comp) 11.Pink Floyd--Careful With That Axe, Eugene (Umma Gumma) 12.Can--Aumgn (Tago Mago) 13.Ashra Tempel w/Timothy Leary--Downtown/Powerdrive/Right-hand Lover/Velvet Genes (Seven Up) 14.Gong--IAO Chant and Master Builder (Est Mort) 15.Nik Turner--Throw Away the Rind (Space Ritual 1994) 16.Hawkwind--We Do It (Anthology/Acid Daze) 17.Faust--Devoted Bone Dance (Space Box comp) 18.Hawkwind--Haskcake '77 (Anthology/Acid Daze) Special SDNC "Bonus" hours (midnight--4, 11/21) 1.Pressurehed--Explaining the Unexplained (Explaining the Unexplained) 2.Knights of the Occasional Table--Elephants and Castles (Les Elephants du Paradis) 3.F. Zappa/Mothers--Help I'm a Rock (Freak Out) 4.Blue Oyster Cult--7 Screaming Dizbusters (On Your Feet or On Your Knees) 5.Canned Heat--Spoonful (Big Road Blues) 6.The Glands of External Excretion--Space Needle (Nosejob) 7.Architectural Metaphor--Sonic Attack (Oddyseum Galacti) 8.The Crazy World of Arthur Brown--Spontaneous Apple Creation (tCWoAB) 9.Quarkspace--Starbridge Freaks (Hidden Moon) 10.Hawkwind--Turner Point (Out & Intake) 11. " " --Cajun Jinx (Out & Intake) 12.Eat Static--Lost in Time (Epsylon) 13.Edgar Froese--Panorphelia (Aqua) 14.Zero Gravity--Time...In My Brain (Space Does Not Care) 15. " " --Space Does Not Care (Space Does Not Care) 16.The Brain--Rust (Access & Amplify) 17. " " --Light Years (Access...) 18.The Orb--Perpetual Dawn (Live '93) 19.Amon Duul II--Surrounded by the Stars (Wolf City) 20.Zappa/Mothers/Capt. Beefheart--The Torture Never Stops (You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 4) 21.Canned Heat--Straight Ahead (Big Road Blues) 22.ST-37--Night of the Chrone Police (Space Age) 23.Killing Joke--A Floating Leaf Always Reaches the Sea (Ambient Vol. 1) 24.Helios Creed--Hyperventilation (Bursting Through the Van Allen Belt) 25.Nik Turner--Opa Loka 2000 (Past or Future?) 26.Amon Duul II--Bavarian Soap Shop Rock (Live in London) 27.Melting Euphoria--Mind's Eyes (Beyond the Maybe Machine) 28.Farflung--Icarus/Daedalus (Too Many Minds, Too Little Time) 29.Neu!--Lila Engel (Neu! 2) 30.Hawkwind--British Tribal Music (Anthology/Acid Daze) 31.Holy River Family Band--The Force Comes From the Strength of a Horse (Turn Century Turn comp) 32.The Orb--Slug Dub (Orbus Terrarum) From timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Nov 23 14:13:50 1999 From: timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Tim Stephenson) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:13:50 -0000 Subject: HW Favorite year/line-up Message-ID: >I maintain that the Huns were top notch in 362 Possibly, but the Goths and Visigoths are definitely the bands to watch, and look out for a storming gig in Rome for the Ostrogoths in the near future. 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True--and while not exactly crushing planets with their heaviness, they *were* one of the heaviest bands at Strange Daze. > I think Man's Ruin could do Alan a lot of favours; they are very >well-connected over here and he can play several of their bands off the >stage. I always found their CDs expensive--but *anyone* putting out a Bedouin release would be doing Alan a certain amount of good. Even a MeteorCity EP would be something. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Nov 23 20:19:31 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:19:31 -0800 Subject: Bedouin & the "Scene" (was: HW: Recent v Old / Poll) Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:45:24 +0000, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > Which is odd, really, given that Farflung started as a trance act. >Or so their ex-bassist would have me believe, but he is very odd. They >float as well as bludgeon, it seems to me. hmmmm ... their first CD was on the punk label Flipside ... I don't think that Farflung were ever supposed to be a trance act (although if said bassist was Paul Fox, he & Tommy's trance project is/was 'The Brain). The last time I saw Farflung (besides SD99), Tommy didn't even bring out any synths, and they came across more like an MC5-influenced rock band. > I think Man's Ruin could do Alan a lot of favours; they are very >well-connected over here and he can play several of their bands off the >stage. This is very true. So true that I just got in touch w/an acquaintence who's in one of Man's Ruin's token punk (i.e. non-Stoner) bands and got some contact info for the label. Is there anyone here who could pass on the info to Alan and actually get some music an promo material sent to them? -Doug ceres at sirius.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Nov 23 19:41:12 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:41:12 -0500 Subject: OFF : This week ....in Space/Krautrock Message-ID: Jon once asked... >This week 'oi 'ave mostly been listening to The Cosmic Jokers. I bought >all 4 albums at once and they rock. Well, they float, at least. > >I'm looking for other stuff like this and say, Harmonia, and trying to >avoid shouty/klanging things like Kluster's Zwei Osterei. You know, right at this minute, I'm listening to a 1999 cassette by Canis Minor (a band that played at Strange Daze '99) entitled "Humans are an Ant Farm" and I've been thinking about how much it sounds like Ash Ra Tempel. It's only two guys, one on keyboards and the other mainly on Chapman stick (which often times sounds like a guitar)...but there's lots of interesting stuff going on here. You might check them out...www.canis-minor.com Keith H. (FAA) From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Nov 23 19:52:10 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 00:52:10 +0000 Subject: HW/OFF: "musicians made drug use look tempting?" ^_~ =koff= In-Reply-To: <0.4ff28d68.256ad898@aol.com> Message-ID: I've been way for 24 hours, so excuse me if I inadvertently double trackon some of this stuff, At 12:34 22.11.1999 EST, you wrote: >Study Finds Teens Drug Use Leveling Off >--snip--< > >The 12th annual survey, released today, shows that 40 percent of teens >questioned felt ``really cool'' kids did not use drugs. By comparison, 35 >percent of those surveyed in 1998 agreed with that statement, indicating more >kids are turned off by drugs now than before. OK, so which teens were questioned, what were the demographics?? Which 40%, without this sort of information, the figures don't tell the story, and how did the demographics compare with previous ones? What does "really cool" mean in American high school terms anyway? >Among 13- to 15-year-olds, 8 percent believed marijuana smokers were popular, >down from 13 percent last year and 17 percent in 1997, the survey found. Likewise this "popular" thing...is it some urge to be subsumed into the unthinking masses? >The survey found other evidence that the role of drugs in teen culture was >dissipating: >--snip--< >The number of teens agreeing with the statement ``it seems like marijuana is >everywhere these days'' dropped to 48 percent this year, down from 52 percent >last year and 59 percent in 1997. Agreeing/disagreeing with statements like this in surveys has always struck me as a highly dubious way of getting meaningful information - way too open to spin >``The tide appears to be turning,'' said Partnership chairman James E. Burke. >``Across the board ... teen-agers are disassociating drugs from critically >important badges of teen identity.'' Puh-leeeze! ===================================== This is the same sort of brain-dead crap that we're being fed in this country at the moment, if any of the UK contingent saw "Panorama" t'other week they'll have seen how out of touch our so-called "drugs czar" is even with our famously liberal (*g*) serving police officers. More to come, ChrisW "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Nov 23 19:58:33 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 00:58:33 +0000 Subject: HW/OFF: "musicians made drug use look tempting?" ^_~ =koff= In-Reply-To: <199911221835.SAA28525@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 18:35 22.11.1999 GMT, Mike wrote: >Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 writes: > >> Ah, well, then we all know there isn't a hint of bias or exaggeration >> in THEIR findings. Wonder how many folks that belong to the >> Partnership drink alcohol, coffee, smoke cigs, etc? Wonder how many >> of 'em take prozac [probably a lot, eh?] valium etc... > >I also saw on libernet today that a Colorado School District wants to >limit the prescription of psychoactive drugs such as prozac and ritalin >to students. This is a result of the discovery that in almost all recent >school shootings, at least one of the perpetrators has been taking such >drugs. In the computer biz these days we use something called "Root Cause Analysis", which really comes down to common sense and a bit of Occam's razor - while there are certainly some severe question marks about over-prescription and inappropriate prescription of such drugs (and their side-effects), maybe the underlying cause is more to do with why the kids are medicated in the first case i.e. the kids with the problems are more likely to "act out", and (I know from personal experience) the medication is not always palliative, especially if the dosing regime is disturbed. ChrisW "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Nov 23 20:17:27 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:17:27 +0000 Subject: OFF: "musicians made drug use look tempting?" ^_~ =koff= In-Reply-To: <199911231654.QAA06796@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 16:54 23.11.1999 GMT, you wrote: >Chuck Rosenberg writes: > >> In a message dated 11/22/99 10:38:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, >> fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: >> >> > Wonder how many >> > > of 'em take prozac [probably a lot, eh?] valium etc... >> > >> > I also saw on libernet today that a Colorado School District wants to >> > limit the prescription of psychoactive drugs such as prozac and ritalin >> > to students. This is a result of the discovery that in almost all recent >> > school shootings, at least one of the perpetrators has been taking such >> > drugs. >> >> Whoa, whoa: Prozac, if I'm not mistaken, is prescribed for >> depression/anxiety/obsessive-compulsive disorder. A bi-cyclate, or one of >> those groups. And valium for anxiety/insomnia. These aren't psychoses, eh. > >Those and Luvox (sp?) are of concern because of disinhibition effects >and because Luvox allegedly causes violent feelings in 4% of users. Similar questions are now being asked about Prozac! >There's something amiss when 6 million kids are on psychoactive drugs >for "Attention Deficit Disorder" and hyperactivity. When I grew up that >was "Won't pay attention" and "won't behave" and schoolteachers had very >direct ways of dealing with this. These "diseases" may exist, but I >seriously doubt they exist in these numbers. I reckon the problem is bad >parenting and (even at the risk of coming off as a conservative) parents >putting their own convenience before the lives of their kids when >considering separation and divorce. > >I find it completely bizarre that the same society which foisted the War >on Some Drugs on the rest of the civilised world manages to sedate so >many of its kids on other Drugs of Choice. > >FoFP Unfortunately, ADD & ADHD have become catch-alls, so you are right up to a point, but my own personal experiences have taught me that to take such problems seriously. Points to consider: 1)The enormous rise in the use of food additives, many of which - particularly Red/Yellow/Orange food colourings - are known to cause severe allergic reactions, including hyperactive spectrum activity & asthma attacks. 2)ADD/ADHD started off as a very controversial idea, but now it's very hip in child psychiatry, the end result being false diagnoses - see below. 3)Childhood onset bi-polar depression manifests itself in a similar fashion to ADD/ADHD, in these cases, like my son, Ritalin has the opposite effect to the one desired, but because many of the medical profession still poo-poo the diagnosis (despite the massive evidence available), thes children get classified as "hyperactive but not responsive to medication". I could ramble on for pages. As for the "bad parenting" and divorce comments, I've calmed down now, and I shan't be stalking Scotsmen at HW gigs with a 10" boning knife - there's a lot of it about, though how much of it is truly "bad" rather than lazy or careless I'm not sure; in my own case, it took me seven years to realise my marriage was a disaster, I hung on for another three "for the sake of the kids" and it only made things worse. Believe me, lots of people stick together who shouldn't, and the home stresses have a very bad effect on the kids, in many cases worse than the consequences of divorce. Rant off. ChrisW "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Nov 23 20:23:17 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:23:17 +0000 Subject: OFF Spiritualised In-Reply-To: <000b01bf35f2$5cd0aa80$3939883e@default> Message-ID: At 20:35 23.11.1999 -0000, you wrote: > I bought the last studio cd when it came out. Brilliant! Are the other >releases up to the same standard? What about Spacemen 3 are they worth >investigating? I caught Spiritualised at Glasgow on the last tour; the >band to appeared to be on top form, however, the sound was so dire they >could hardly be made out. Is this normal for one of their gigs? Ta Dave "Ladies and Gentlemen..." is truly outstanding, and its praises have frequently been sung in these parts, the two previous ones aren't (to me) so outstanding, but still well worth a listen, but you should definitley check out the live album (at the recording of which, the estimable JonB was present IIRC) Cheers, ChrisW (Off to bed now) "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Nov 23 21:28:42 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 02:28:42 +0000 Subject: OFF: "musicians made drug use look tempting?" ^_~ =koff= In-Reply-To: <58F6D3F7ECD@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 wrote: > Worst thing about prohibition was that it actually became a > constitutional amendment! And it took another amendment to repeal > it. There have only been something like 25 amendments to the > constitution in 200 years, the last one happened over 30 years ago. > Goes to show what can happen when a highly determined group seizes > the political process in a vacuum created by general voter > indifference... Yes - New Labour. . Sorry, cheap shot, I know. Yours, Jon From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Nov 23 21:51:40 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 02:51:40 +0000 Subject: Bedouin & the "Scene" (was: HW: Recent v Old / Poll) In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991123171931.00912dd0@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Doug Pearson wrote: > hmmmm ... their first CD was on the punk label Flipside ... I don't think > that Farflung were ever supposed to be a trance act (although if said > bassist was Paul Fox, he & Tommy's trance project is/was 'The Brain). The > last time I saw Farflung (besides SD99), Tommy didn't even bring out any > synths, and they came across more like an MC5-influenced rock band. This was Alien Gnudarve Lovejoy, or Buck McGibbony as he `mistakenly' appears on the sleeve of the first two albums. He said Farflung began as Tommy with a stack of Moogs and him with a bass playing extra stuff to a trance backing in clubs, and that they picked up Michael Esther and Brandon La Belle out of the ruins of Helianthus and that changed their style big-time. At the end of this e-mail however he became very new age about his new material and I feel his recollection may be subject to Waters '85 syndrome also. Nonetheless, it sounded plausible, even if the only real resemblance would have been the name. > This is very true. So true that I just got in touch w/an acquaintence > who's in one of Man's Ruin's token punk (i.e. non-Stoner) bands and got > some contact info for the label. Is there anyone here who could pass on > the info to Alan and actually get some music an promo material sent to them? I have an e-mail for the soundman for Orange Goblin, Blackrock and similar bands, who is very MR-connected here in the UK, if said hypothetical person in touch with Alan is out there. I shall sound him out about Bedouin. Yours, Jon From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Nov 23 14:09:28 1999 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (IAN ABRAHAMS) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:09:28 -0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: > On 22 / 11 Ian Abrahams wrote in reply...."Huw LLoyd Langton of course"... Al responded: > Yeh ....OK terribly sorry for that ommission ....I guess its how > you define Muso thats the point here......I actually rate Huw as one of my > top 3 favourite HW family members of all time...Nik and Bob being the > others..so It wasnt an insult leaving him out,it was just that I dont think > he ever had a "Muso" attitude. > Dont get me wrong, I dont think Simon has an attitude problem,far from > it.I've just always seen him as from the "Arty" side of music (ie Third ear > Band,High Tide,David Bowie etc) and treating music very seriously. > To my mind Huw has always had that punky hippy ethos thing in the > background, which I've always seen as such a big part of HW. > Okay, I see understand what you mean though I sort of think Huw bridges the gap between the two styles (I was once told his contract with HW was basically as a session musician - any truth in this?). I just think he tends to get over looked a bit and I just get a little defensive about that as I've enjoyed the guy's music and his (and Marions) lyrics very much. Ian ian at abrahamsi.freeserve.co.uk From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Wed Nov 24 08:37:13 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 08:37:13 -0500 Subject: BOC: New Compilation track Listing Message-ID: > This is the comp that the AOL BOC board voted on, right? Yep - keep in mind that the "ground rules" were to vote not on what the hardcore fans that have everything would want, but more what Joe Q. Public would want on a "BOC's Greatest Hits" album - so of course the "Big 3" are on there, and there won't be any rare cuts, outtakes, or live tracks that would make it interesting to the BOC fan that already has all that - the only selling point for the die-hards will be that these tracks are supposed to be re-mastered, and may have some cool liner notes (fingers crossed). > >"Goin' Through The Motions", > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Surely they must mean "Fireworks" or "Golden Age." Or is there an > undercurrent of BOC fandom who didn't think it was enough to put > "GTtM" on > WotT? I think "Golden Age" was one of the top vote-getters -- don't believe GTtM was... > > >"Godzilla", "In Thee", "The Marshall Plan", > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Must have been a toss-up between that and Debbie Denise. ;-) Don't remember TMP being a favorite - another error by Sony perhaps? > I don't agree with the notion that die-hard BOC fans should > be > asked to choose tracks that would mostly appeal to newbie fans. But it > looks like they did a good job choosing overall. Yeah - like there isn't enough stuff that any BOC newbie fan couldn't already get - but of course where is the money for Sony in that? John From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 24 09:41:58 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:41:58 GMT Subject: OFF: "musicians made drug use look tempting?" ^_~ =koff= In-Reply-To: Ted Jackson jr. s2h2's message of Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:05:16 EDT Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 writes: > > From: M Holmes > > > Jeez, now who would ever think that a guy who advocates arming the > > > entire citezenry > > > > That's the entire *law abiding* citizenry over age of adulthood thanks. > > > > > is a conservative! > > > > A rash assumption when it's a perfectly normal libertarian policy. > > > > Let's throw in me being pro-choice on abortion, in favour of > > legalisation and sale of all drugs to consenting adults (including > > those currently monopolised by folks with a medical degree), in favour > > of the legalisation of brothels, in favour of the abolition of all laws > > limiting gambling or any form of sex between consenting adults, in > > favour of the repeal of laws pertaining to the sale of alcohol to > > consenting adults except those pertaining to labelling, quality control, > > and fraud. In favour of laws abolishing any politician interfering in > > the marketplace except insofar as to protect against theft or fraud. In > > favour of laws abolishing any but voluntary taxation (if the politicians > > have a project then they can convince us that it's a good idea at their > > own expense and then pass the hat for those thus convinced to > > contribute). In favour of repeal of any law concerning pornography > > involving only consenting adults. In favour of amendment of any law > > favouring any one religion or cult to similarly favour all religions > > and cults and also atheism. I'll skip my more radical political beliefs > > to save bandwidth. In favour of marriage of gay couples of either > > flavour or eunuchs with all the legal benefits thereof (and come to > > think of it I've nothing against marriages involving multiples of people > > either - whatever burns their candle). > > > > Now, find me any active conservative who'll go along with all of the > > above in a public statement and I'll cop to being a conservative. > > > Jeez, Mike, looks like the only place we part company is over guns! There ya go. Sorry, I just bridle atbeing labelled a conservative. As a liberty advocate, I include the right of reasonable adults to have the freedom to defend themselves with the most convenient and effective technology should they so choose. I see scant difference with the state interfering with the right to own a weapon and the state interfering with the right to commit whatever sexual act you please with a consenting adult partner. Until someone else is harmed, it's quite simply none of their damn business. It'd be hypocrisy to exclude the right to own weapons from that just because of personal queasiness about it. It's not like I would make it compulsory or anything. As the man said: Right To Decide. > Worst thing about prohibition was that it actually became a > constitutional amendment! Yeah, Jefferson saw early on the danger of giving the Federal government power. That amendment was as much an abuse of the Constitution as the Marijuana Stamp Tax. Bluenoses and racists basically trod all over a noble experiment in liberty. > And it took another amendment to repeal > it. Not quite my reading of the situation. A more or less conspiracy amongst the States had effectively repealed Prohibition almost nationwide before the 18th Amendment was repealed. I believe they planned a States Congress to force the issue if necessary? > There have only been something like 25 amendments to the > constitution in 200 years, the last one happened over 30 years ago. > Goes to show what can happen when a highly determined group seizes > the political process in a vacuum created by general voter > indifference... Indeed so. You guys were founded by libertarians and colonised by puritans. They're still slugging it out in the abortion wars, the gun rights battles, and the War On Some Drugs. We can only root from the sidelines but I believe that your Constitution was one of the most important documents ever penned and if push came to shove, then I'd probably fight for it even if the US isn't my birthplace. Eris help us all if the puritans finally manage to trash it. > theo FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 24 09:45:44 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:45:44 GMT Subject: HW/OFF: "musicians made drug use look tempting?" ^_~ =koff= In-Reply-To: Chris Warburton's message of Wed, 24 Nov 1999 00:52:10 +0000 Message-ID: Chris Warburton writes: > This is the same sort of brain-dead crap that we're being fed in this > country at the moment, if any of the UK contingent saw "Panorama" t'other > week they'll have seen how out of touch our so-called "drugs czar" is even > with our famously liberal (*g*) serving police officers. It's amazing isn't it? Keith Hellawell spoke the same kind of sense as the most liberal Police Chiefs *until* he was made Drug Czar. I reckon he was put through some kind of LSD brainwashing down at New Nanny Headquarters :-) FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 24 09:55:25 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:55:25 GMT Subject: OFF: "musicians made drug use look tempting?" ^_~ =koff= In-Reply-To: Chris Warburton's message of Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:17:27 +0000 Message-ID: Chris Warburton writes: > As for the "bad parenting" and divorce comments, I've calmed down now, and > I shan't be stalking Scotsmen at HW gigs with a 10" boning knife Jeese, are those still legal? New Nanny must be slipping. > - there's > a lot of it about, though how much of it is truly "bad" rather than lazy or > careless I'm not sure Conceded, though if the end result is the same... > in my own case, it took me seven years to realise my > marriage was a disaster, I hung on for another three "for the sake of the > kids" and it only made things worse. Believe me, lots of people stick > together who shouldn't, and the home stresses have a very bad effect on the > kids, in many cases worse than the consequences of divorce. I hadn't meant to imply that divorce or separation was the wrong action for the welfare of kids in each and every instance, but a quick glimpse at the statistics in the US might make even the most hardened cynic wonder whether such solutions were perhaps pursued with some over-enthusiasm. In terms of kids in, and causing, trouble, boys are far and away a larger issue than girls. Research in the 90's seems to be heading for such unanimity on the conclusion that boys need fathers to put them on the straight and narrow that only the most committed "alternative family advocates" would take issue on the matter. And even they make more sense than Tipper Gore and fellow idiots who try to pin it on music CD's. > ChrisW FoFP From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Wed Nov 24 09:56:19 1999 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:56:19 +0100 Subject: HW: Open letter from KRIS TAIT Message-ID: Hi, Glad some of you enjoyed Croydon! Hawkwind takes up a lot of time. We all work really hard (I have other jobs too)and the web page is something extra that we do when we have time. There are other more up to date sites run by people who know a lot more about computers than me. None of us have the time to sit all day, and it does take us some time to put up pages. At least I am trying to learn and making an effort! Maybe I should just take the site off the net and people would stop moaning at me!! If any one can give me some constructive help, i.e. send me things that I can paste and use, it would be more helpful. 1) Can someone write me html to put up links? 2)How do I do notice board rather than guest book? 3)If all you computer whizzes out there gave me a bit of help, maybe we could get a fantastic page together. That's what its all about! Thanks for your support, Kris From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Nov 24 10:09:24 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:09:24 +0000 Subject: OFF: "musicians made drug use look tempting?" ^_~ =koff= In-Reply-To: <199911241455.OAA27412@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Nov 1999, M Holmes wrote: > And even they make more sense than Tipper Gore and fellow idiots who try > to pin it on music CD's. Somebody on that Stoner Rock List I hang around on when this is being quiet had a .sig that answered that one nicely, which went more or less like: "Where _do_ you get your values, son? Is it those god-awful heavy metal records? "Yeah, that's right Dad! We're perfectly fine until we get to one of those _evil_ CDs!" I think it was from a film. I hope so, because that would mean that such a film existed :-) Yours, Jon From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Wed Nov 24 10:09:46 1999 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:09:46 -0000 Subject: HW: Open letter from KRIS TAIT Message-ID: Ask Kris to drop me a line at my 'work' email address (kevin at ivision.co.uk) and we can talk about a system that doesn't require technical maintenance (I've even registered a domain that would be suitable!). Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Pospiech, Bernhard To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 2:56 PM Subject: HW: Open letter from KRIS TAIT > Hi, Glad some of you enjoyed Croydon! Hawkwind takes up a lot of time. We > all work really hard (I have other jobs too)and the web page is > something extra that we do when we have time. There are other more up to > date sites run by people who know a lot more about computers than me. None > of us > have the time to sit all day, and it does take us some time to put up > pages. At least I am trying to learn and making an effort! Maybe I should > just take the site off > the net and people would stop moaning at me!! If any one can give me some > constructive help, i.e. send me things that I can paste and use, it would be > more > helpful. 1) Can someone write me html to put up links? 2)How do I do notice > board rather than guest book? 3)If all you computer whizzes out there gave > me a bit > of help, maybe we could get a fantastic page together. That's what its all > about! Thanks for your support, Kris From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 24 09:12:28 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:12:28 EDT Subject: OFF: "musicians made drug use look tempting?" ^_~ =koff= In-Reply-To: <199911241455.OAA27412@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > From: M Holmes > Chris Warburton writes: > > > As for the "bad parenting" and divorce comments, I've calmed down now, and > > I shan't be stalking Scotsmen at HW gigs with a 10" boning knife > > Jeese, are those still legal? New Nanny must be slipping. > Hmm...don't think that would be my preferred weapon. Blade's too flexible. If it hits a bone it could deflect. I'll stick [sic] with one of my Randalls or my custom-made Jerry Fisk... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 24 09:28:18 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:28:18 EDT Subject: OFF: "musicians made drug use look tempting?" ^_~ =koff= In-Reply-To: <199911241441.OAA23023@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > From: M Holmes > There ya go. Sorry, I just bridle atbeing labelled a conservative. As a > liberty advocate, I include the right of reasonable adults to have the > freedom to defend themselves with the most convenient and effective > technology should they so choose. But you have to remember that over here, the political Right has adopted the pro gun stance, lured by the money of the gun lobbies. And, the Right is also the party that is against all the other liberties that you [and I] advocate. And of course, the extreme Right over here is the party that advocates school prayer etc. So, it's almost impossible for a liberal person to come out pro-gun over here, as there's too much accompanying baggage... > > > Worst thing about prohibition was that it actually became a > > constitutional amendment! > > Yeah, Jefferson saw early on the danger of giving the Federal government > power. That amendment was as much an abuse of the Constitution as the > Marijuana Stamp Tax. Bluenoses and racists basically trod all over a > noble experiment in liberty. Yet the pro-gun people hide behind that very constitution, and hold it to be some sort of sacred document. Yet Jefferson envisioned the constitution as an evolving document that should be reviewed and revised on a regular basis. Somewhere along the line, it became a holy document... > > > And it took another amendment to repeal > > it. > > Not quite my reading of the situation. A more or less conspiracy amongst > the States had effectively repealed Prohibition almost nationwide before > the 18th Amendment was repealed. I believe they planned a States > Congress to force the issue if necessary? Not exactly. Most states were unable to enforce it. Hell, my mother's family were farmers and owned groves of apple trees. They made a shitload of cider back then, and shared it with their friends. Anyone with a bit of knowhow can make their own wine or cider. The states were reluctant to go after people and make criminals out of decent citizens...sound familiar? Yet nowadays they are only to happy to make criminals out of people over weed. I live in a state with pretty much the harshest drug laws in the US! But beyond the above, prohibition was killed when FDR took office. He wisely realized that repeal would give the gov't some much-needed income from regulation and taxation of alcohol, and he knew that a country hard hit by the depression could use a little alcoholic relief. And, of course, the bars and liquor stores would generate income and allow for further income taxes. It really was a no-brainer... > > Indeed so. You guys were founded by libertarians and colonised by > puritans. They're still slugging it out in the abortion wars, the gun > rights battles, and the War On Some Drugs. But, as I said above, the pro-gun people also embrace the trashing of just about every other liberty in favor of some sort of biblical agenda that only they can comprehend... We can only root from the > sidelines but I believe that your Constitution was one of the most > important documents ever penned and if push came to shove, then I'd > probably fight for it even if the US isn't my birthplace. Eris help us > all if the puritans finally manage to trash it. But remember, it's only a document, and was intended to be flexible... theo From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 24 12:12:08 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:12:08 GMT Subject: OFF: "musicians made drug use look tempting?" ^_~ =koff= In-Reply-To: Ted Jackson jr. s2h2's message of Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:28:18 EDT Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 writes: > > From: M Holmes > > There ya go. Sorry, I just bridle atbeing labelled a conservative. As a > > liberty advocate, I include the right of reasonable adults to have the > > freedom to defend themselves with the most convenient and effective > > technology should they so choose. > > But you have to remember that over here, the political Right has > adopted the pro gun stance, lured by the money of the gun lobbies. > And, the Right is also the party that is against all the other > liberties that you [and I] advocate. Is that fairly commonly the case? Here in the UK many on the right have libertarian tendencies on at least some of these issues, though as with Iain Duncan-Smith, who cp-wrote a book "Saturn's Children" which advocated drug legalisation and medicalisation, they can get slapped down if they make this too public (in the UK, writing something in a hardback isn't considered "public"). Of course we don't really have a libertarian party (well, not one that currently has more than eight members) as opposed to think-tanks, so maybe there's nowhere else for them to go. > And of course, the extreme > Right over here is the party that advocates school prayer etc. That would be uncontroversial here, and indeed considered a bit old fashioned and fuddy-duddy. > So, > it's almost impossible for a liberal person to come out pro-gun over > here, as there's too much accompanying baggage... Perhaps it's best not to make assumptions about people based on one single stance. That certainly appears more common in the US than here, possibly because of the libertarian/puritan polarisation of many debates. > > > Worst thing about prohibition was that it actually became a > > > constitutional amendment! > > > > Yeah, Jefferson saw early on the danger of giving the Federal government > > power. That amendment was as much an abuse of the Constitution as the > > Marijuana Stamp Tax. Bluenoses and racists basically trod all over a > > noble experiment in liberty. > > Yet the pro-gun people hide behind that very constitution It's not hiding behind it simply to read what it says. > and hold > it to be some sort of sacred document. Up to a limit, I see that as a healthy attitude. Would that politicians would be infected by some of it. > Yet Jefferson envisioned the > constitution as an evolving document that should be reviewed and > revised on a regular basis. Let's not forget that HJefferson is on record as believing that armed revolution every 20 years would be necessary to keep governments in line. I suspect that would be a bit difficult if attempted with sticks. > > > And it took another amendment to repeal > > > it. > > > > Not quite my reading of the situation. A more or less conspiracy amongst > > the States had effectively repealed Prohibition almost nationwide before > > the 18th Amendment was repealed. I believe they planned a States > > Congress to force the issue if necessary? > > Not exactly. Most states were unable to enforce it. Hell, my > mother's family were farmers and owned groves of apple trees. They > made a shitload of cider back then, and shared it with their friends. > Anyone with a bit of knowhow can make their own wine or cider. The > states were reluctant to go after people and make criminals out of > decent citizens...sound familiar? Indeed. Many of the bureaucracies involved in alcohol Prohibition became fervent anti-drug advocates during repeal. It safeguarded their wages and powerbases. > Yet nowadays they are only to > happy to make criminals out of people over weed. I live in a state > with pretty much the harshest drug laws in the US! My sympathies. It's worst effects are the repeal of liberties on a casual basis in order to "win" the Drug War. I have in mind stuff like confiscation without conviction - something that's now being hawked by New Nanny drug warriors in Scotland. However, I think that it's true that Prohibitions are meant to affect "them" (the folks on the wrong side of the tracks). When zealotry begins to force an effect on the middle classes (such as confiscating their houses, cars and boats because their student son grew some pot) then it's on its way out, just as with alcohol. Unfortunately I believe that the US has some sort of Prohibition virus and it'll simply be replaced by another one that's more guaranteed to affect "them". What's listed as a killer on every packet and used almost solely by the lower orders? Watch this space... > But beyond the above, prohibition was killed when FDR took office. > He wisely realized that repeal would give the gov't some much-needed > income from regulation and taxation of alcohol, and he knew that a > country hard hit by the depression could use a little alcoholic > relief. And, of course, the bars and liquor stores would generate > income and allow for further income taxes. It really was a > no-brainer... Drugs are now an industry bigger than oil. They're also a damn site politically easier to tax at punitive 90% rates than is petrol. You could almost abolish income tax and still put every drug dealer in the land out of business overnight. > > Indeed so. You guys were founded by libertarians and colonised by > > puritans. They're still slugging it out in the abortion wars, the gun > > rights battles, and the War On Some Drugs. > > But, as I said above, the pro-gun people also embrace the trashing of > just about every other liberty in favor of some sort of biblical > agenda that only they can comprehend... Take 'em on regarding their hypocrisy: ask 'em what sort of freedom is worth defending by gun ownership if it's not the freedom to eat what you want, smoke what you want, gamble if you want, read and watch what you want and have sex with whoever you want, however you want, and in trade for whatever they want if they're agreeable. I don't think all these are good ideas, and some are certainly very bad ideas for at least some people, but they sure as hell have the right to go to hell in a manner of their own choosing. Even the Bible was in favour of free will regarding sin. > > We can only root from the > > sidelines but I believe that your Constitution was one of the most > > important documents ever penned and if push came to shove, then I'd > > probably fight for it even if the US isn't my birthplace. Eris help us > > all if the puritans finally manage to trash it. > > But remember, it's only a document, and was intended to be > flexible... Sure, but when push comes to shove, I doubt that an amendment that meant we'd have to defend the Constitution with sticks would really be in its long term interest. > theo FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Nov 23 18:14:45 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:14:45 -0500 Subject: HW Favorite year/line-up In-Reply-To: <00c601bf35ff$c011fc40$605c883e@timsteph> Message-ID: At 19.13 +0000 99-11-23, Tim Stephenson wrote: >>I maintain that the Huns were top notch in 362 > >Possibly, but the Goths and Visigoths are definitely the bands to watch, >and look out for a storming gig in Rome for the Ostrogoths in the near >future. No, I have to agree with the first post. The Goths early work was excellent (as was that of some of their members previous work) but it never really reached a wide audience. The Huns came out of nowhere to really made it big in the late fourth century, and consistently topped the charts for the best part of a century. While the Goths were finally able to reach a larger audience during this period, they were hurt by numerous lineup changes and competition for ownership of the name. The real beneficiaries were the Huns, and you can be sure its no accident the most successful Hun lineups included ex-Goths. It was only towards the end of the fifth century with the breakup of the Huns that several reformed Goth projects got it together and achieved real commercial success. But really, this material bore only passing resemblance to the original Goth stuff. Well, that's the way it goes in the rock and roll show ... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From LukeChurch at AOL.COM Wed Nov 24 13:01:23 1999 From: LukeChurch at AOL.COM (Jean-Luc Carrier) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:01:23 EST Subject: BOC: New Compilation track Listing Message-ID: Don't believe one second THIS is what the hardcore fans have elected on AOL board. GTTM, TMP, IT... are obviously sad evidences. Another crappy compilation. C'mon guys, thank Sony for THAT pure remastered shit. _LuKe_ From bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET Wed Nov 24 13:12:38 1999 From: bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:12:38 -0500 Subject: BOC: New Compilation track Listing In-Reply-To: <0.1cf78665.256d81f3@aol.com> Message-ID: Jean-Luc wrote: >Don't believe one second THIS is what the hardcore fans have elected on AOL >board. >GTTM, TMP, IT... are obviously sad evidences. >Another crappy compilation. >C'mon guys, thank Sony for THAT pure remastered shit. >_LuKe_ Thank you Sony, for not including any rare tracks and allowing me to save my money for something more worthy than yet another BOC compilation. :-) Brian obCDs> BOC: Super Hits, Cities On Flame, Career of Evil, Cult Classic.... From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 24 12:32:10 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:32:10 EDT Subject: OFF: "musicians made drug use look tempting?" ^_~ =koff= In-Reply-To: <199911241712.RAA19647@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > From: M Holmes > > But you have to remember that over here, the political Right has > > adopted the pro gun stance, lured by the money of the gun lobbies. > > And, the Right is also the party that is against all the other > > liberties that you [and I] advocate. > > Is that fairly commonly the case? Here in the UK many on the right have > libertarian tendencies on at least some of these issues They perceive themselves as freedom-loving individualists on the order of their hero, my namesake T. Roosevelt, and also see themselves as an extension of the pioneers who 'tamed' the wilderness [bet the Native Americans thought the wilderness was just fine before the Euros arrived, eh]. But when you study the demographics, the same folks that are pro gun are quites often the anti-abortion, anti-personal choice types. And if you think that American NRA members think it's okay for any 2 adults of whatever gender to have sex, then, well... , though as with > Iain Duncan-Smith, who cp-wrote a book "Saturn's Children" which > advocated drug legalisation and medicalisation, they can get slapped > down if they make this too public (in the UK, writing something in a > hardback isn't considered "public"). > > Of course we don't really have a libertarian party (well, not one that > currently has more than eight members) as opposed to think-tanks, so > maybe there's nowhere else for them to go. > We have one, but it's woefully powerless. Still, the upcoming elections might provide a bit of a jolt to the system. Independent-party candidates are coming out of the woodwork, and a guy like Trump could finance his own election campaign single-handedly... > > > > > Worst thing about prohibition was that it actually became a > > > > constitutional amendment! > > > > > > Yeah, Jefferson saw early on the danger of giving the Federal government > > > power. That amendment was as much an abuse of the Constitution as the > > > Marijuana Stamp Tax. Bluenoses and racists basically trod all over a > > > noble experiment in liberty. > > > > Yet the pro-gun people hide behind that very constitution > > It's not hiding behind it simply to read what it says. No, but when you consider it as an iron-clad document that can only be interpreted literally, then there's a problem. Evolution is necessary... > > > Let's not forget that HJefferson is on record as believing that armed > revolution every 20 years would be necessary to keep governments in > line. > Well, I think that was likely a rhetorical device. Remember, a lot of TJ's orations came in the aftermath of a big revolution and were aimed at a people flush with newfound independence... > > Indeed. Many of the bureaucracies involved in alcohol Prohibition became > fervent anti-drug advocates during repeal. It safeguarded their wages > and powerbases. > That's exactly why this insane 'war on drugs' has dragged on. Self-perpetuating money machine that no-one wants to shut down. All those idiot bureaucrats might then hhave to look for a real job! > > Yet nowadays they are only to > > happy to make criminals out of people over weed. I live in a state > > with pretty much the harshest drug laws in the US! > > My sympathies. It's worst effects are the repeal of liberties on a > casual basis in order to "win" the Drug War. I have in mind stuff like > confiscation without conviction - something that's now being hawked by > New Nanny drug warriors in Scotland. > Fight it, man! We Americans just rolled over and let them do it. I do expect, though, that the supreme Court will eventually knock it down... > However, I think that it's true that Prohibitions are meant to affect > "them" (the folks on the wrong side of the tracks). Yes! Yes! Yes! Drug prohibition smacks of racism... When zealotry begins > to force an effect on the middle classes (such as confiscating their > houses, cars and boats because their student son grew some pot) then > it's on its way out, just as with alcohol. Agreed, but what mystifies me is how these prohibitions are allowed to start? Well, nowadays I understand it, as Americans refuse to vote [currently around 45% voter participation in national elections--sometimes much less in smaller ones] It must make you Europeans shake your heads in disgust. Why is it that you all are smart enough to use the political process while only a small handful of us do? Unfortunately I believe that > the US has some sort of Prohibition virus and it'll simply be replaced > by another one that's more guaranteed to affect "them". > I think that's true. An extension of the 'frontier mentality?' > What's listed as a killer on every packet and used almost solely by the > lower orders? Watch this space... > Not quite. Tobacco use is pretty high in Canada, and almost no poverty there, and cigs cost a freakin' fortune in Canada. guess they just like to smoke? > > Drugs are now an industry bigger than oil. They're also a damn site > politically easier to tax at punitive 90% rates than is petrol. You > could almost abolish income tax and still put every drug dealer in the > land out of business overnight. Exactly right. But see, the US gov't would then have to admit defeat, and they hate doing that. Tehy just have to be right about everything... > > > > Indeed so. You guys were founded by libertarians and colonised by > > > puritans. They're still slugging it out in the abortion wars, the gun > > > rights battles, and the War On Some Drugs. > > > > But, as I said above, the pro-gun people also embrace the trashing of > > just about every other liberty in favor of some sort of biblical > > agenda that only they can comprehend... > > Take 'em on regarding their hypocrisy: ask 'em what sort of freedom is > worth defending by gun ownership if it's not the freedom to eat what you > want, smoke what you want, gamble if you want, read and watch what you > want and have sex with whoever you want, however you want, and in trade > for whatever they want if they're agreeable. Good luck! It would be a hard sell. Most of 'em only want to protect their own personal freedom... > From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 24 12:34:31 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:34:31 EDT Subject: BOC: New Compilation track Listing In-Reply-To: <0.1cf78665.256d81f3@aol.com> Message-ID: > From: Jean-Luc Carrier > Don't believe one second THIS is what the hardcore fans have elected on AOL > board. > GTTM, TMP, IT... are obviously sad evidences. > Another crappy compilation. > C'mon guys, thank Sony for THAT pure remastered shit. > _LuKe_ True, like Sony would listen to the fans. Obviously it costs them nothing to toss out another comp, and hope some fool will buy it. Only thing I can see to recommend it is IF, as John hinted, it contains some remastering or new liner notes... theo From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Wed Nov 24 13:57:23 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:57:23 -0500 Subject: Free(*) Pressurehed 7" - 'The Right Stuff' Message-ID: Hello, DO you still have any of these records left? > -----Original Message----- > From: Ande Tucker [SMTP:ande at TOR-MEDIA.COM] > Sent: Sunday, November 07, 1999 1:45 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Free(*) Pressurehed 7" - 'The Right Stuff' > > I recently uncovered a forgotten box of Pressurehed 7" singles featuring: > > A side: The Right Stuff (aerospaceage mix) > B side: Man In Static (electrostatic mix) > > To avoid them going in a landfill, I'll give them away for free except for > S&H. Tried to work out the best way for this, > > each 7" is $1 in the US. > > I will also throw in a copy of the Mick Farren 7" > > A side: Gun Fire In The Night > B side: Touched By The Fire > A numbered limited edition of 500 copies on clear vinyl. > > Which makes them .50 cents each. Want to order 2 Pressurehed singles? send > $2, get 4 singles in total, etc. > > As for overseas, it might be better to contact me first if you're > interested. > > Hope nobody minds me posting to the list with these, but its this or the > landfill. (Trying to be ecologically minded here...) > > Ande > > > > Ande Tucker > P.O. Box 5593 > Huntington Beach, CA 92615 From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Wed Nov 24 14:08:31 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:08:31 -0500 Subject: Free(*) Pressurehed 7" - 'The Right Stuff' Message-ID: Doh! Obviously that was supposed to be a private message. Sorry From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 24 14:32:19 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:32:19 GMT Subject: OFF: "musicians made drug use look tempting?" ^_~ =koff= In-Reply-To: Ted Jackson jr. s2h2's message of Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:32:10 EDT Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 writes: > > Of course we don't really have a libertarian party (well, not one that > > currently has more than eight members) as opposed to think-tanks, so > > maybe there's nowhere else for them to go. > > > We have one, but it's woefully powerless. Still, the upcoming > elections might provide a bit of a jolt to the system. > Independent-party candidates are coming out of the woodwork, and a > guy like Trump could finance his own election campaign > single-handedly... Hmmmm, nothing I've seen of Trump impresses me than he's any sort of liberty advocate of any flavour. McCain looks a little more interesting, though his party contains more than a few of the loons we've been discussing. > > > Yet nowadays they are only to > > > happy to make criminals out of people over weed. I live in a state > > > with pretty much the harshest drug laws in the US! > > > > My sympathies. It's worst effects are the repeal of liberties on a > > casual basis in order to "win" the Drug War. I have in mind stuff like > > confiscation without conviction - something that's now being hawked by > > New Nanny drug warriors in Scotland. > > > Fight it, man! We Americans just rolled over and let them do it. I'd like to but New Nanny here are as convinced as any Puritan has ever been that they know what's good for us. They've yet to see a problem they don't think can be solved by banning something or making it compulsory - though their leader has a new trick: rigging the rules of the timiest elections so that the result is ordained beforehand. You;d be amazed in just how many ways the rules of an election can be varied in order to get the "right" result. > I > do expect, though, that the supreme Court will eventually knock it > down... Good luck! > Agreed, but what mystifies me is how these prohibitions are allowed > to start? Well, nowadays I understand it, as Americans refuse to > vote [currently around 45% voter participation in national > elections--sometimes much less in smaller ones] It must make you > Europeans shake your heads in disgust. Why is it that you all are > smart enough to use the political process while only a small handful > of us do? Actually more and more of us are shaking our heads in disgust and not voting here too. I've routinely gone in and written "None of the Above!" on my ballot papers so that they have to write me off as a spoiled paper rather than accuse me of apathy. > Unfortunately I believe that > > the US has some sort of Prohibition virus and it'll simply be replaced > > by another one that's more guaranteed to affect "them". > > > I think that's true. An extension of the 'frontier mentality?' > > > What's listed as a killer on every packet and used almost solely by the > > lower orders? Watch this space... > > > Not quite. Tobacco use is pretty high in Canada, and almost no > poverty there, and cigs cost a freakin' fortune in Canada. Canada isn't yet part of the US and they don't seem to have Prohibitiophilia to anything like the same extent. I do believe that in ten to fifteen years in the US, marijuana will be legal and nicotine Prohibited. > > Drugs are now an industry bigger than oil. They're also a damn site > > politically easier to tax at punitive 90% rates than is petrol. You > > could almost abolish income tax and still put every drug dealer in the > > land out of business overnight. > > Exactly right. But see, the US gov't would then have to admit > defeat, and they hate doing that. Tehy just have to be right about > everything... Now *that* sounds familiar. [Pro-gunners in the US...] > Good luck! It would be a hard sell. Most of 'em only want to > protect their own personal freedom... Yep, for everyone else it's Freedom to Do What You're Told. That's becoming very familiar here too. FoFP From timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Nov 24 14:34:23 1999 From: timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Tim Stephenson) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:34:23 -0000 Subject: HW Favorite year/line-up Message-ID: Hmmm.... Harvard eh? I stand to be wiped out here. Never mind. Just because a few Goths joined the faltering Hun line up prooves nothing more than that the Huns had run out of inspiration some time ago and needed a fresh infusion of styles from new talent. The eastern movement was reduced to aging old Rock dinosaurs by the mid to late fourth century, spending most of their time doing support gigs for eytie prog bands like 'The IV Legion'. I assert again that the 'happening sound' was Krautrock. Yes indeed there was a swift evolution of bands, but this just shows the wealth of talent there was. What about the extended tour of The Vandals? Legendary stuff this, as they covered most of europe then the Iberian peninsula, before their triumphant finale in Africa. Nah - the Huns were musically isolated, nothing came from them until the Mongols lots later. The Goths, apart from their own great albums, spawned bands like the Rugians and later the Gepids and Lombards (notable for their long hair and mustaches, including Lemmy on Bass) >>>I maintain that the Huns were top notch in 362 > >>Possibly, but the Goths and Visigoths are definitely the bands to watch, >>and look out for a storming gig in Rome for the Ostrogoths in the near >>future. >No, I have to agree with the first post. The Goths early work was excellent (as was that of some of their members previous work) but it never really reached a wide audience. The Huns came out of nowhere to really made it big in the late fourth century, and consistently topped the charts for the best part of a century. While the Goths were finally able to reach a larger audience during this period, they were hurt by numerous lineup changes and competition for ownership of the name. The real beneficiaries were the Huns, and you can be sure its no accident the most successful Hun lineups included ex-Goths. It was only towards the end of the fifth century with the breakup of the Huns that several reformed Goth projects got it together and achieved real commercial success. But really, this material bore only passing resemblance to the original Goth stuff. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Nov 24 14:56:36 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:56:36 -0500 Subject: HW Favorite year/line-up In-Reply-To: <009101bf36b3$2580b0e0$2640883e@timsteph> Message-ID: At 19.34 +0000 99-11-24, Tim Stephenson wrote: >Just because a few Goths joined the faltering Hun line up prooves nothing >more than that the Huns had run out of inspiration some time ago and needed >a fresh infusion of styles from new talent. The eastern movement was >reduced to aging old Rock dinosaurs by the mid to late fourth century, >spending most of their time doing support gigs for eytie prog bands like >'The IV Legion'. I agree that the Huns did well to recruit members who had done such great (if seldom appreciated) work with the early Goths. But this just shows, to my mind that the Huns were on a roll in the late fourth and early fifth centuries--drawing on Goth talent, but taking their work to audiences which the Goths had never broken into (and would not break into until later). >I assert again that the 'happening sound' was Krautrock. Well, there was indeed a lot of the Krautrock thing going on, but the Huns though coming from a somewhat different background were working on very similar principles. And their very successful (if short) career really gave the Krautrock seen as much as a kick as it did the Italian prog scene (which was hardly progressive at the time!). The difference is that the Goths reformed after the Hunnic demise and went on to cut some great albums which sold widely, whereas the Romans were reduced to playing their hits in little club dates. >Yes indeed there was a swift evolution of bands, but this just shows the >wealth of talent there was. What about the extended tour of The Vandals? >Legendary stuff this, as they covered most of europe then the Iberian >peninsula, before their triumphant finale in Africa. The Vandals did superb work, covering a range of styles, but were really working in a different market (southern and wester Mediterranean) than the Huns. >Nah - the Huns were musically isolated, nothing came from them until the >Mongols lots later. The Mongols made some great music, but I'd see them more as working the same vein as the Huns rather than directly connected. >The Goths, apart from their own great albums, spawned >bands like the Rugians and later the Gepids and Lombards I would agree that the Goths and their ilk eventually made it really big, but not until after "Hun" was dead. That scene just collapsed after Attila's suspicious death in the mid-fifth century. >(notable for their >long hair and mustaches, including Lemmy on Bass) Lemmy looks more like an escaped Gaul to me :) I guess its a North Briton thing :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 24 15:07:48 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:07:48 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: tygers mention In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Paul Mather writes > >=> >=> No, that was Eric Sykes. > >Didn't Hattie Jacques sing backup for a while, too? Exactly so. The best line-up included Derek "Korky" Guyler, though. On trumpet. -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Nov 24 15:03:52 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:03:52 +0000 Subject: OFF : This week ....in Space/Krautrock In-Reply-To: <199911191705.MAA01768@mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: In message <199911191705.MAA01768 at mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu>, Keith Henderson writes >Yeah, the Galactic Joke piece from the very first one is something very >special, ain't it? > It's kinda hard to see where the Galactic Joke ends and the Cosmic Joy begins! >Anyway, as far as 'kosmische' stuff in the vein of Cosmic Jokers.... Thanks extraordinarily for yours and others, thoughtful responses. -- Jon From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 24 17:25:01 1999 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:25:01 +0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 15:15 21/11/99 , Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > I think Calvert and Lemmy are Ron's twin downfalls. He has had to >try and fill both their shoes at once and he has come across at every gig >I've seen him at since he picked up the bass as being unsure of himself. I've been playing "In Your Area" a lot over the last couple of days, and not only do I like the album, but Ron's bass playing seems pretty good. I don't think he's *as* good as Lemmy or Alan, but I do think he's decent. I remember on the 1997 tour, several people posted here saying "Ron can play bass!". Jon makes a good point though -- when Ron was just the front man, he threw himself into it completely. It's kind of hard to do that so much when you're also playing bass. >He is actually playing >some damn good bass these days it seems to me, but all the crowd wants is >Lemmy or Alan. I guess that just comes with the band's long and varied history. There are so many good memories, it's only natural to try and recapture them. And of course you can't; you can only go forward. I'm beginning to think that I'd rather see the current line-up concentrate on producing an album of new material and a tour, rather than chasing the goal of reunion gigs. There is some good stuff on IYA; there just isn't enough of it. Dave. Dave Berry, www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~daveb From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 24 17:09:54 1999 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:09:54 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: tygers mention In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 20:07 24/11/99 , Jon wrote: >In message >, Paul Mather writes >> >>=> >>=> No, that was Eric Sykes. >> >>Didn't Hattie Jacques sing backup for a while, too? > >Exactly so. > >The best line-up included Derek "Korky" Guyler, though. > >On trumpet. Didn't he play washboard? Dave. Dave Berry, www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~daveb From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 24 17:36:26 1999 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:36:26 +0000 Subject: OFF: "musicians made drug use look tempting?" ^_~ =koff= In-Reply-To: <199911241455.OAA27412@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 14:55 24/11/99 , M Holmes wrote: >I hadn't meant to imply that divorce or separation was the wrong action >for the welfare of kids in each and every instance, but a quick glimpse >at the statistics in the US might make even the most hardened cynic >wonder whether such solutions were perhaps pursued with some >over-enthusiasm. In terms of kids in, and causing, trouble, boys are far >and away a larger issue than girls. Research in the 90's seems to be >heading for such unanimity on the conclusion that boys need fathers to >put them on the straight and narrow that only the most committed >"alternative family advocates" would take issue on the matter. Research? By whom, and funded by whom? I've seen various newspaper columnists trumpet the idea, but I'm sceptical. There's also suggestions that kids are more influenced by their peers than by their parents. One of the reasons that I'm sceptical is that organisations such as "families need fathers" are mainly composed of men who are trying to get custody of their children, and are hardly neutral in the debate. Joined with the general attack on "single mothers", I spot good old-fashioned misogyny. Many single mothers are single because their husbands left them, or were violent, yet the image peddled by the right-wing press is of scroungers out to defraud the taxpayer. Is there any research on how drug-use affects parenting? Dave. "stalking Scotsmen at HW gigs with a 10" boning knife - there's a lot of it about" -- Chris W. Dave Berry, www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~daveb From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 24 17:41:19 1999 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:41:19 +0000 Subject: OFF: "musicians made drug use look tempting?" ^_~ =koff= In-Reply-To: <5A2CFAB5901@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: At 14:28 24/11/99 , Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 wrote: >it's almost impossible for a liberal person to come out pro-gun over >here, as there's too much accompanying baggage... It's almost impossible for a liberal person to come out pro-gun over here, too, as it's damn near a contradiction in terms... >But remember, it's only a document, and was intended to be >flexible... Which is presumably why people can amend it. Some of the most important parts are amendments. And other amendments (prohibition, guns) are just stupid. That's life. You can't enshrine the values of one age and pretend that they're universal, even if they are ones you still agree with. Dave. Dave Berry, www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~daveb From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 24 17:47:27 1999 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:47:27 +0000 Subject: OFF: "musicians made drug use look tempting?" ^_~ =koff= In-Reply-To: <199911241712.RAA19647@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 17:12 24/11/99 , M Holmes wrote: >Let's not forget that Jefferson is on record as believing that armed >revolution every 20 years would be necessary to keep governments in >line. > >I suspect that would be a bit difficult if attempted with sticks. Looking at places where they have armed revolutions, and comparing them with places where peaceful protests can effect change, I know which I prefer. Dave. Dave Berry, www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~daveb From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Nov 24 19:06:44 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:06:44 -0800 Subject: HW: Poll results Message-ID: Here are the unscientific results of the "favorite Hawkwind year" poll. Since some people were a bit vague about the actual year they were voting for, I broke the results into "phases" of the band's history, and in a few cases, had to split one person's vote between two phases. Sorry, but votes for Huns, Visigoths and Vandals had to be disqualified, since they had all broken up prior to 1969. 1969/71 (in the beginning) 0 1972-75 (the Lemmy years) 4.5 1976-78 (the Calvert years) 4.5 1979-81 (Huw metal years - 1) 0 1982-84 (return of Nik) 0 1985-88 (Huw metal years - 2) 0.5 1989/90 (Bridget & Simon) 6 1991-94 (the trio) 1 1995/96 (Alien4/Love In Space) 1 1997-99 (the present) 1.5 declined to state/any and all 2 hasn't happened yet 1 The discussion also brought out some other opinions regarding certain band members (which I've grossly oversimplified relative to many folks' succient reasoning): likes Bridget 12 hates Bridget 3 likes Nik 3 likes Nik's flute 2 (but not much of the sax/craziness) hates Nik 2 likes Rizz 4 hates Rizz 8 likes Ron 6 likes Ron as frontman 6 (but not as bassist) hates Ron 4 Despite some strong disagreements in these categories (does that mean that these four people are the all-time "most controversial" members of Hawkwind?), there were a few things that just about everyone seemed to agree on: Alan's bass playing is missed. Simon House is the top Musician to ever play with Hawkwind. Richard Chadwick is a great drummer and probably the best thing about the current band. (me, I like all of Nik, Bridget and Ron very much, but NOT Rizz - I love deep, spacey dub Reggae, but IMO Hawkwind have never pulled that style off well enough to challenge masters of the genre like Lee Perry and King Tubby - but neither has any other spacerock band that I'm aware of - as of yet there are no "Beastie Boys of Dub") -Doug ceres at sirius.com From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Nov 24 17:54:42 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:54:42 -0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: Yeah, Huw, nice guy, top guitarist. Arrange a gig in Glasgow now! Dave -----Original Message----- From: IAN ABRAHAMS To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 24 November 1999 06:02 Subject: Re: HW: Recent v Old / Poll >> On 22 / 11 Ian Abrahams wrote in reply...."Huw LLoyd Langton of >course"... > >Al responded: >> Yeh ....OK terribly sorry for that ommission ....I guess its how >> you define Muso thats the point here......I actually rate Huw as one of my >> top 3 favourite HW family members of all time...Nik and Bob being the >> others..so It wasnt an insult leaving him out,it was just that I dont >think >> he ever had a "Muso" attitude. >> Dont get me wrong, I dont think Simon has an attitude problem,far from >> it.I've just always seen him as from the "Arty" side of music (ie Third >ear >> Band,High Tide,David Bowie etc) and treating music very seriously. >> To my mind Huw has always had that punky hippy ethos thing in the >> background, which I've always seen as such a big part of HW. >> >Okay, I see understand what you mean though I sort of think Huw bridges the >gap between the two styles (I was once told his contract with HW was >basically as a session musician - any truth in this?). I just think he >tends to get over looked a bit and I just get a little defensive about that >as I've enjoyed the guy's music and his (and Marions) lyrics very much. > >Ian >ian at abrahamsi.freeserve.co.uk > From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Nov 25 04:19:28 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 09:19:28 -0000 Subject: OFF: Re: tygers mention Message-ID: > >> > >>=> > >>=> No, that was Eric Sykes. > >> > >>Didn't Hattie Jacques sing backup for a while, too? > > > >Exactly so. > > > >The best line-up included Derek "Korky" Guyler, though. > > > >On trumpet. > > Didn't he play washboard? He did. A mean washboard solo to rival anything Buck or Jimi have ever played. Maybe. This is getting very silly! Cheers, Rich. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 25 04:39:45 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 09:39:45 +0000 Subject: HW: Poll results In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991124160644.00918c60@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: In article <3.0.6.32.19991124160644.00918c60 at pop.sirius.com>, Doug Pearson writes >1982-84 (return of Nik) 0 make that a 1 FWIW Stonehenge '84 was *my* best ever gig, and is in with a shout at "Best Time I Ever Had In My Life Ever". and the ICU gigs around the time were fantastic too. Maybe not the best studio period but 84 get my vote for favourite HW year. I'm totally up for the humour and shamanics that Nik injects to his performances. I get the joke too. The man who wrote Brainstorm being lumped in with Capt Rizz as some peripheral figure, good grief. Yes please sax, craziness, bones of elvis, funny haircuts and metamorphing tetraclones. I prefer to see them all on the same stage, but in 84 if ICU or HW were playing on the same night, it would have been a tough call. Give me a HW with Nik anyday. -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 25 04:19:01 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 09:19:01 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: tygers mention In-Reply-To: <4.1.19991124220925.009d0e00@pophost.tardis.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <4.1.19991124220925.009d0e00 at pophost.tardis.ed.ac.uk>, Dave Berry writes >>The best line-up included Derek "Korky" Guyler, though. >> >>On trumpet. > >Didn't he play washboard? He did, didn't he? Heh! God, that's going back a few years, eh? -- Jon From andy.ball at RD.BBC.CO.UK Thu Nov 25 04:56:04 1999 From: andy.ball at RD.BBC.CO.UK (Andy Ball) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 09:56:04 +0000 Subject: HW: Poll results In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991124160644.00918c60@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: Guess I must be the minority of one then! First HW gig I went to was the 82 Choose Your Masques tour at Hammersmith Odeon, and it really blew me away. I actually rate Levitation up there with Space Ritual as my all time favourite albums, and I think Sonic Attack and CYM great too. It was actually Huw leaving, and then "the Bridgett years" that really turned me off HW. It wasn't until I bought Alien4 on an impulse buy that I really got back into them. HW were great as a 3 piece (Dave,Alan and Richard), but Ron really added that extra dimension and energy, especially live. Although at Croydon 2 weeks ago Ron was so over the top, it almost made me feel uneasy. He did seem rather troubled! On the other hand Nik seemed rather subdued, and unsure of himself. I'll also stick my neck out and say I like Rizz. I think on the 97 tour Rizz doing his thing during the opener "Wheels" was HW at their best. On a similar subject, what was Ron's anti Heroin speech about?, Well, reading the Lemmy interview in Classic Rock, Lemmy seems to make an indirect comment that the band at one point were pro Heroin. Also Lemmy didn't rule out any reunion gigs, but wasn't exactly full of enthusiasm either, wishing to concentrate on a new Motorhead album. My wish for 2000 is a new HW studio album, and more gigs. Of course Ill go to any reunion gigs, but in my mind Lemmy isn't (and maybe wasn't) so important to HW. I'd like to see Harvey comeback on Keys, so that Dave can actually come to the front a bit more, Alan on Bass, and Huw, Nick, Ron and Rizz doing one or two numbers their way. Regards, Andy. At 16:06 24/11/99 -0800, you wrote: >Here are the unscientific results of the "favorite Hawkwind year" poll. >Since some people were a bit vague about the actual year they were voting >for, I broke the results into "phases" of the band's history, and in a few >cases, had to split one person's vote between two phases. Sorry, but votes >for Huns, Visigoths and Vandals had to be disqualified, since they had all >broken up prior to 1969. > >1969/71 (in the beginning) 0 >1972-75 (the Lemmy years) 4.5 >1976-78 (the Calvert years) 4.5 >1979-81 (Huw metal years - 1) 0 >1982-84 (return of Nik) 0 >1985-88 (Huw metal years - 2) 0.5 >1989/90 (Bridget & Simon) 6 >1991-94 (the trio) 1 >1995/96 (Alien4/Love In Space) 1 >1997-99 (the present) 1.5 > >declined to state/any and all 2 >hasn't happened yet 1 > > >The discussion also brought out some other opinions regarding certain band >members (which I've grossly oversimplified relative to many folks' succient >reasoning): > >likes Bridget 12 >hates Bridget 3 > >likes Nik 3 >likes Nik's flute 2 (but not much of the sax/craziness) >hates Nik 2 > >likes Rizz 4 >hates Rizz 8 > >likes Ron 6 >likes Ron as frontman 6 (but not as bassist) >hates Ron 4 > >Despite some strong disagreements in these categories (does that mean that >these four people are the all-time "most controversial" members of >Hawkwind?), there were a few things that just about everyone seemed to >agree on: >Alan's bass playing is missed. >Simon House is the top Musician to ever play with Hawkwind. >Richard Chadwick is a great drummer and probably the best thing about the >current band. > >(me, I like all of Nik, Bridget and Ron very much, but NOT Rizz - I love >deep, spacey dub Reggae, but IMO Hawkwind have never pulled that style off >well enough to challenge masters of the genre like Lee Perry and King Tubby >- but neither has any other spacerock band that I'm aware of - as of yet >there are no "Beastie Boys of Dub") > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com > > From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Nov 25 05:40:31 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy.Gilham) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 10:40:31 -0000 Subject: OFF: Re: tygers mention In-Reply-To: <1mRSBGAF8PP4EwUK@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: > >>The best line-up included Derek "Korky" Guyler, though. > >> > >>On trumpet. > > > >Didn't he play washboard? > > > > He did, didn't he? Heh! > God, that's going back a few years, eh? > -- > Jon > Oh, they're on UK Gold all the time. All the kids are into them now. -- Andy ObCD: Sigur Ros - _Svefn-g-englar_ mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 25 06:31:13 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:31:13 GMT Subject: HW: Poll results In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Thu, 25 Nov 1999 09:39:45 +0000 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > FWIW Stonehenge '84 was *my* best ever gig, and is in with a shout at > "Best Time I Ever Had In My Life Ever". I thought the sound was too low volume and pretty messed up. I remember lots of folk complaining about it at that gig. In the end I ended up spending a lot of that gig trying to help a girl find a lost contacyt lens in the grass during darkness (unsuccessful despite a loan of a real big halogen light from one of the roadies). Not as bad as the one with the Nik/Dave onstage fight at Stonehenge 82 (or 83?) which is the only Hawkwind gig I ever walked away from. FoFP From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Nov 25 06:07:10 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:07:10 -0000 Subject: HW: Poll results Message-ID: Lemmy's anti-heroin stance is well known to all. Those of you on the list who have access to the Pete Frame HW family tree (reprinted in the 1979 tour programme, I hope that is enclosed with Live 79 release!) should check out page 1, right column, second paragraph down, last sentence (it's not in quotes and it may be heresay). Could it be that Ron's comments and Lemmy's remarks are entirely unrelated? Dave -----Original Message----- From: Andy Ball To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 25 November 1999 09:58 Subject: Re: HW: Poll results >Guess I must be the minority of one then! First HW gig I went to was the 82 >Choose Your Masques tour at Hammersmith Odeon, and it really blew me away. >I actually rate Levitation up there with Space Ritual as my all time >favourite albums, and I think Sonic Attack and CYM great too. >It was actually Huw leaving, and then "the Bridgett years" that really >turned me off HW. It wasn't until I bought Alien4 on an impulse buy that I >really got back into them. HW were great as a 3 piece (Dave,Alan and >Richard), but Ron really added that extra dimension and energy, especially >live. Although at Croydon 2 weeks ago Ron was so over the top, it almost >made me feel uneasy. He did seem rather troubled! >On the other hand Nik seemed rather subdued, and unsure of himself. >I'll also stick my neck out and say I like Rizz. I think on the 97 tour >Rizz doing his thing during the opener "Wheels" was HW at their best. > >On a similar subject, what was Ron's anti Heroin speech about?, Well, >reading the Lemmy interview in Classic Rock, Lemmy seems to make an >indirect comment that the band at one point were pro Heroin. Also Lemmy >didn't rule out any reunion gigs, but wasn't exactly full of enthusiasm >either, wishing to concentrate on a new Motorhead album. > >My wish for 2000 is a new HW studio album, and more gigs. Of course Ill go >to any reunion gigs, but in my mind Lemmy isn't (and maybe wasn't) so >important to HW. I'd like to see Harvey comeback on Keys, so that Dave can >actually come to the front a bit more, Alan on Bass, and Huw, Nick, Ron and >Rizz doing one or two numbers their way. > >Regards, > >Andy. > > > >At 16:06 24/11/99 -0800, you wrote: >>Here are the unscientific results of the "favorite Hawkwind year" poll. >>Since some people were a bit vague about the actual year they were voting >>for, I broke the results into "phases" of the band's history, and in a few >>cases, had to split one person's vote between two phases. Sorry, but votes >>for Huns, Visigoths and Vandals had to be disqualified, since they had all >>broken up prior to 1969. >> >>1969/71 (in the beginning) 0 >>1972-75 (the Lemmy years) 4.5 >>1976-78 (the Calvert years) 4.5 >>1979-81 (Huw metal years - 1) 0 >>1982-84 (return of Nik) 0 >>1985-88 (Huw metal years - 2) 0.5 >>1989/90 (Bridget & Simon) 6 >>1991-94 (the trio) 1 >>1995/96 (Alien4/Love In Space) 1 >>1997-99 (the present) 1.5 >> >>declined to state/any and all 2 >>hasn't happened yet 1 >> >> >>The discussion also brought out some other opinions regarding certain band >>members (which I've grossly oversimplified relative to many folks' succient >>reasoning): >> >>likes Bridget 12 >>hates Bridget 3 >> >>likes Nik 3 >>likes Nik's flute 2 (but not much of the sax/craziness) >>hates Nik 2 >> >>likes Rizz 4 >>hates Rizz 8 >> >>likes Ron 6 >>likes Ron as frontman 6 (but not as bassist) >>hates Ron 4 >> >>Despite some strong disagreements in these categories (does that mean that >>these four people are the all-time "most controversial" members of >>Hawkwind?), there were a few things that just about everyone seemed to >>agree on: >>Alan's bass playing is missed. >>Simon House is the top Musician to ever play with Hawkwind. >>Richard Chadwick is a great drummer and probably the best thing about the >>current band. >> >>(me, I like all of Nik, Bridget and Ron very much, but NOT Rizz - I love >>deep, spacey dub Reggae, but IMO Hawkwind have never pulled that style off >>well enough to challenge masters of the genre like Lee Perry and King Tubby >>- but neither has any other spacerock band that I'm aware of - as of yet >>there are no "Beastie Boys of Dub") >> >> -Doug >> ceres at sirius.com >> >> > From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Nov 25 06:44:12 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:44:12 -0000 Subject: HW: Poll results Message-ID: Nik/ Dave on-stage fight, tell me more. Dave -----Original Message----- From: M Holmes To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 25 November 1999 11:31 Subject: Re: HW: Poll results >Jon Browne writes: > >> FWIW Stonehenge '84 was *my* best ever gig, and is in with a shout at >> "Best Time I Ever Had In My Life Ever". > >I thought the sound was too low volume and pretty messed up. I remember >lots of folk complaining about it at that gig. In the end I ended up >spending a lot of that gig trying to help a girl find a lost contacyt >lens in the grass during darkness (unsuccessful despite a loan of a real >big halogen light from one of the roadies). > >Not as bad as the one with the Nik/Dave onstage fight at Stonehenge 82 >(or 83?) which is the only Hawkwind gig I ever walked away from. > >FoFP > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Nov 25 06:54:25 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:54:25 +0000 Subject: OFF: "musicians made drug use look tempting?" ^_~ =koff= In-Reply-To: <5A5E0243F55@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Nov 1999, Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 wrote: > Agreed, but what mystifies me is how these prohibitions are allowed > to start? Well, nowadays I understand it, as Americans refuse to > vote [currently around 45% voter participation in national > elections--sometimes much less in smaller ones] It must make you > Europeans shake your heads in disgust. Why is it that you all are > smart enough to use the political process while only a small handful > of us do? Sadly, as I was bitterly remarking on a BBS I hang about on yesternight, I believe that's been about turn-out at the last two UK general elections. I wouldn't mind _so_ much if only I didn't keep finding people going, "Oh, I didn't vote. What's the point, there's no-one worth voting for." Then you go and spoil your ballot, fools! Thanks to your bloody laziness, the people who _do_ vote are getting the government _you_ deserve. Argh! It's enough to make one don the combats and make the grenades, hey is that a riff I hear, whilst making bombs in my cellar (he artfully gets something on-topic into the post)... Sadly, I lack a cellar, and have to admit to not actually playing HW at this moment. But that could change if I wanted :-) ObMusic: Led Zeppelin - `Achilles's Last Stand' (_Presence_) From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Nov 25 08:03:30 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 08:03:30 EST Subject: HW Favorite year/line-up Message-ID: gee i dunno fellas, sounds like a "saddo 4th century time warp", if'n you're askin' moi. "<>" From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 25 08:17:33 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:17:33 GMT Subject: HW: Poll results In-Reply-To: david hall's message of Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:44:12 -0000 Message-ID: david hall writes: > >> FWIW Stonehenge '84 was *my* best ever gig, and is in with a shout at > >> "Best Time I Ever Had In My Life Ever". > > > >I thought the sound was too low volume and pretty messed up. I remember > >lots of folk complaining about it at that gig. In the end I ended up > >spending a lot of that gig trying to help a girl find a lost contacyt > >lens in the grass during darkness (unsuccessful despite a loan of a real > >big halogen light from one of the roadies). > > > >Not as bad as the one with the Nik/Dave onstage fight at Stonehenge 82 > >(or 83?) which is the only Hawkwind gig I ever walked away from. > Nik/ Dave on-stage fight, tell me more. They did a mid-evening gig up at a pyramid tent right at the back of the Stonehenge fields up towards the army base at Devizes. Dave, Nik, and Huw were there and also I think Harvey was. I'm not sure who was on drums. It was a sunny summer evening. A couple of girls had been dancing nude up the front to the band on beforehand. By the time Hawkwind came on everyone was sat on the grass and the whole scene was very mellow. Once they took the stage, lots of folks at the front stood up and there was a bit of good natured shouting from folks sitting further back for them to sit down again so that everyone could relax and watch the band. Nik and Dave took the part of the folks sitting and suggested everyone sit down before they got going, though that never really happened. A few songs into the gig, Nik went off during USoM into his "Get off my mummy Uncles Sam" and "Uncle Sam's on heroin" rock circus act. A couple of comments between tracks suggested that dave and Huw were getting irritated. The gig was also getting very untogether. Then at one point Dave and Nik had an argument about what to play next. Dave started one song and Nik attempted to sing the lyrics of another. Then there followed a tussle between the two on stage. By that point I'd just gotten fed up of being dragged from mellow to irritated by the argument in the crowd, the haphazard and later unprofessional quality of the gig and the argument and onstage fight just finished it for me and I wandered off to see what else was happening. After a long, eventful, and very interesting night, I was down in the Stones watching the Sun come up over the haze and could hear the band playing very well. I believe they'd moved to the other stage which was around where they played in 1984 and were clearly playing a stonker of a gig. Still can't quite remember whether it was '82 or '83 though. I suppose '83 fits in terms of the timeline re Nik getting kicked out again but I thought I'd heard a tape of the early '83 gig and none of this stuff was on it, so maybe it was '82. I suppose we could ask Dave, but he'll probably tell me that I'd been drinking that funny cider again... FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 25 08:33:29 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:33:29 GMT Subject: OFF: "musicians made drug use look tempting?" ^_~ =koff= In-Reply-To: Jonathan Jarrett's message of Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:54:25 +0000 Message-ID: Jonathan Jarrett writes: > On Wed, 24 Nov 1999, Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 wrote: > > > Agreed, but what mystifies me is how these prohibitions are allowed > > to start? Well, nowadays I understand it, as Americans refuse to > > vote [currently around 45% voter participation in national > > elections--sometimes much less in smaller ones] It must make you > > Europeans shake your heads in disgust. Why is it that you all are > > smart enough to use the political process while only a small handful > > of us do? > > Sadly, as I was bitterly remarking on a BBS I hang about on > yesternight, I believe that's been about turn-out at the last two UK > general elections. No way. Turnout at UK general elections is consistently around 70%. It certainly gets down to 45% and lower in European elections and some nationwide local elections. > I wouldn't mind _so_ much if only I didn't keep finding > people going, "Oh, I didn't vote. What's the point, there's no-one worth > voting for." Then you go and spoil your ballot, fools! It might be more encouraging if "None of the Above" were an option, and if it came top, the seat stayed empty in Parliament. It would at least make progress towards Zero Politicians possible. FoFP From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Thu Nov 25 11:49:17 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans (aka Gekke Henkie)) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 17:49:17 +0100 Subject: HW: Poll results In-Reply-To: <199911251317.NAA08102@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi all, well I've been away for few days, and what happend a few hundered HW mails in my box! Not that that is much of a problem, but it takes to long to read them all, and they tend to mix up strangely, with all the people on different sides of the Great Lake. So I do not know who said what first and so on... A small contribution of my side anyway. I only saw HW 5 times in my life. And still the fist time was the most impressive. In 1991 in Paradiso Am*dam. I was blown away!!!! i do not know who were on the stage back then, but I was in front and overwhelmed by the massive wall of sound, the lights, the noise, the hasshhiisshh, the atmosphere, everything! The later concerts I saw, in Utrecht, Tilburg and Am*dam were not so impressive anymore. Maybe 'cause HW were a treepiece by then. --BArt From timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Nov 25 12:50:30 1999 From: timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Tim Stephenson) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 17:50:30 -0000 Subject: HW Favorite year/line-up Message-ID: >gee i dunno fellas, sounds like a "saddo 4th century >time warp", if'n you're askin' moi. Yup, fourth century, 1970's - its all ancient history. T From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Nov 25 17:44:32 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 22:44:32 -0000 Subject: Ex-members guesting Message-ID: Did Huw ever play with the band after is first departure and his rejoining in 79? Is this on tape? Trivia time: Al Matthews, an American soul singer, used to support HW in the mid 70's. Is this the same guy who now earns a crust in Holywood. Last seen in I think in Airforce 1. Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Nov 25 20:54:12 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 20:54:12 EST Subject: Ex-members guesting Message-ID: In a message dated 11/25/99 6:02:07 PM, dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: << Did Huw ever play with the band after his first departure and his rejoining in 79? Is this on tape? >> well, he would have to have been there for it to be on tape (grin) but i dont think he ever did. there was one HW gig in 79, a few months prior to the start of that 79 tour. i think this is his first 'new' appearance, and turner guests. if huw's not on this gig then his reappearance begins w/the start of that tour. adrian and bernhard have the tape that i know of (y yo tambien); they're welcome to confirm this. too full of turkey day festivities to go dig mine up.... "<>" From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Fri Nov 26 04:39:15 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:39:15 +0900 Subject: Ex-members guesting Message-ID: On a related topic, does anyone have tapes from Huw playing with Doctor Brown? I managed to get to a couple of shows, but never "armed" and I'd be very interested to discuss trades if such a thing exists. Dave DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 11/25/99 6:02:07 PM, dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: > > << Did Huw ever play with the band after his first departure and his > rejoining in 79? Is this on tape? > > >> > > well, he would have to have been there for it to be on tape (grin) but i dont > think he ever did. > there was one HW gig in 79, a few months prior to the start of that 79 tour. > i think this is his first 'new' appearance, and turner guests. if huw's not > on this gig then his reappearance begins w/the start of that tour. adrian and > bernhard have the tape that i know of (y yo tambien); they're welcome to > confirm this. > > too full of turkey day festivities to go dig mine up.... > "<>" From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Fri Nov 26 11:38:07 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 17:38:07 +0100 Subject: Ex-members guesting In-Reply-To: <003001bf3796$d1a5f680$6c52883e@default> Message-ID: Hi At 22:44 25.11.99 +0000, you wrote: >Did Huw ever play with the band after is first departure and his >rejoining in 79? Is this on tape? Huws 1st gig with HAWKWIND after his departure in 1970 was at the Science Fiction Festival in Leeds on 09.09.79. HW played there for about 60 minutes. His last gig with HAWKWIND was on 05.03.89 in Brixton at the Robert Calvert benefit event. Then again he played in Blackheath on 07.06.97 with HW Bernhard From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Nov 26 18:15:58 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:15:58 EST Subject: Ex-members guesting Message-ID: In a message dated 11/26/99 11:45:43 AM, bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE writes: << Huws 1st gig with HAWKWIND after his departure in 1970 was at the Science Fiction Festival in Leeds on 09.09.79. HW played there for about 60 minutes. ====== yep, that's the one i referred to last night. dint i tell ya bernhard could come through? "<>" From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Nov 26 20:26:59 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 20:26:59 -0500 Subject: OFF: "musicians made drug use look tempting?" Message-ID: FoFP spoke thusly... >> I wouldn't mind _so_ much if only I didn't keep finding >> people going, "Oh, I didn't vote. What's the point, there's no-one worth >> voting for." Then you go and spoil your ballot, fools! > >It might be more encouraging if "None of the Above" were an option, and >if it came top, the seat stayed empty in Parliament. It would at least >make progress towards Zero Politicians possible. I've always thought it would be interesting to allow people to 'un-vote' for one particular candidate rather than to just give 'positive' votes. Especially if there are three viable candidates in a particular election, people would have the option of taking one vote away from their last choice, in the case that the other two were pretty even in their minds. Of course, with the high level of cynicism shown towards today's politicians, it would be quite possible that the leading vote-getter would still be on the negative side, in which case you throw them all out and start with brand new candidates. That would be the kind of development in elections that *might* just get me to register, you know. Keith H. (FAA and very silly party) From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Nov 27 09:55:21 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 09:55:21 EST Subject: OFF: "musicians made drug use look tempting?" Message-ID: In a message dated 11/26/99 8:58:49 PM, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: << Of course, with the high level of cynicism shown towards today's politicians, it would be quite possible that the leading vote-getter would still be on the negative side, in which case you throw them all out and start with brand new candidates. That would be the kind of development in elections that *might* just get me to register, you know. >> ==================== ....i had registered to vote in ca. in '76, but i was in new york when election day came. my philosophy in regards to politicians and their politrix came down to "they all lie. they all suck". finally, my best friend in the world shamed me into voting in the '92 prez election....but i didnt vote >for< clinton, i voted >against< bush. my friend died of a brain tumor in '96; in his memory i voted in that election. once again, not >for< clinton, but >against< dole. these folx are operating on such a large scale, tho, i dont think >anyone< can accomplish much, and the difference it makes (other than cosmetic) is negligible. IMO. >>insert tired yet fully accurate remark on how it's those evil mega-corporations which rule america, anyway.<< they all lie. they all suck. "<>" From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Sat Nov 27 09:37:25 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Zeitgeist) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 14:37:25 +0000 Subject: HW: Michael Moorcock in New Statesman Message-ID: MM has had a letter published in this weeks New Stateman reaffirming his originating the term 'multiverse'. Apparently some of these pesky physicist types are now claiming it as their own. SAH NP Venom - Black Metal Blessings and peace from Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground E-zine, freezine and online Record Store at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van Vliet alternate url: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Sat Nov 27 11:10:10 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Zeitgeist) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 16:10:10 +0000 Subject: OFF: A Death In The Family Message-ID: >Its with deep regret that I have to post the following announcement: > >It is with great sadness that we have to announce the death of Roly Wynne, original Ozrics' bass player, and brother of guitarist, Ed. Roly had been suffering from problems for many years and tragically took his own life two weeks ago. Roly was a pivitol member of the Ozric Tentacles, and played on their first nine albums. > >His intricate bass lines were the basis for many Ozrics classics, and displayed a musically intelligence akin to his brothers. Check out Og-Ha-Be (Tantric Obstacles), Yaboop Yaboop (Sliding Gliding Worlds) and Tidal Convergence (Erpland) in particular to fully appreciate Roly's adventurous yet organic fluidity. Roly's last gig with the Ozrics was in 1992. He then went on to form "Damidge" with Seaweed and Rad, who themselves went on to join the Ozrics following Merv and Joie's departures. Roly has guested on many releases over the years including the O'roonies and Divine Soma Experience. His most recent band "Escalator" hadn't yet put out any recordings. > >Anyone wishing to send a tribute can do so to Simon at Stretchy -simonjbaker at lineone.net Blessings and peace from Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground E-zine, freezine and online Record Store at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van Vliet alternate url: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Sat Nov 27 11:32:29 1999 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 02:32:29 +1000 Subject: Michael Moorcock in New Statesman In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19991127143725.00698554@pop3.connectfree.co.uk> Message-ID: And this is probably the letter in full (I haven't read the published version - unless its been edited - probably not this time)... Max Wilcox In Toby Mundy's review of Dermot Healy's excellent sounding Sudden Times (15 Nov.), he mentions that 'some physicists now think that the entire cosmos comprises millions of such universes and have coined the term multiverse to describe these spaces that co-exist but are subject to alternative laws'. Flattering as it is to have this conception adopted by physicists, I think it worth pointing out that I coined the term 'multiverse' to describe exactly that notion in 1961 in a story called The Sundered Worlds published in Science Fiction Adventures magazine. This is accepted as the first time the word was used to describe the idea and is well documented (cf Clute's Encyclopaedia of SF) and discussed. I talk about it in the introduction to the Penguin edition of the book published in 1992. I've since developed the idea in more sophisticated literary fiction. Others, including William James and John Cowper Powys had also invented the term (see OED), but to describe different ideas and so it never entered the common vocabulary. My use of the term became popular mainly via sf readers and RPG players, many of whom doubtless grew up to become physicists... Sincerely, Michael Moorcock, Circle Squared Ranch, Lost Pines, Texas. From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM Sat Nov 27 17:38:27 1999 From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (BL Young) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 14:38:27 -0800 Subject: HW: Hawkwind vinyl for Belgium kollector. Message-ID: Danny Buelens wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm from Belgium. I visited your web site and read about the essential > hawkwind Discography listed by Brian Young. > I'm an Hawkwind record collector and collected about 60 records (LP's > and CD's). I'm "old-fashioned" and do not like CD's. > Someone told me there are about 200 Hawkwind releases on vinyl. I > would be gratefull if you could email me the full listing of Hawkwind > releases on Email as well as suitable addresses were I can still buy > Hawkwind music on vinyl. > Thank you. > > With regards from Belgium > > Danny Buelens > Hawkfan and Hawk collector I'll copy this email to the HW: forum on BOC-L, if that's okay. Hi, sorry it took so long to answer this message. I had a hard time finding anybody that specializes in vinyl. I'm rather the opposite - I hate vinyl and I really prefer cds. I used to have a stack of Hawkwind vinyl, but I unloaded them one at a time when I was replacing them on cd. (Cheaply, too, unfortunately.) I think your best luck would be trying the link on my page to the "Hawkman Music Site". He specializes in selling Hawkwind related stuff, and he might have some or know where to look. *** Hawkman Music at http://www.intplsrv.net/hawkman If all else fails, join the Hawkwind-BOC mailing list and post a message there, and maybe somebody will have something. *** send email to listserv at listserv.spc.edu with a message containing the text SUBSCRIBE BOC-L And for the full listing of all the discography, you need to go to Sonique's Hawkwind page and find the link to the complete discography. Also check out the codex - all the songs Hawkwind ever did, and the various albums and compilations on which they appear. *** Sonique's page at http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/ *** Sonique's Top 100 Discography at http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/hwtop100.html *** Hawkwind Codex & discography at http://www.pcmicro.com.au/OzHawks/Codex Just out of curiousity - why do you hate cds? I know some of the higher pitched sounds can sound a bit tinny, but digital doesn't lose quality with each play. Vinyl gets a tiny bit worse each time you play it, and after a few years the fidelity is seriously diminished. Good luck in your search. Bryan -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Young CANADA blyoung AT bigfoot DOT com ----------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/Area51/7118 SF Reading Club http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 Hawkwind ----------------------------------------------------------- "20 minutes goes by pretty fast when you're on a breakaway" From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Nov 28 19:49:47 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 00:49:47 -0000 Subject: Adrian Shaw Message-ID: I'm thinking of investing in some of Ade's solo stuff. Is it any good? Does it match his playing on Quark/PXR5/ and the Weird tapes? 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Also, Simon House guests on I think two of the tracks. One of them being the last tune on the CD, which is just beautiful. So, I recommend picking up "Head Cleaner." There are two tracks from the CD available to check out on the Woronzow Web site: http://www.woronzow.co.uk One of the tracks, "Symbiosis," is one of my favorites on the CD. Enjoy, Brian From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Mon Nov 29 02:42:59 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 02:42:59 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Set-list 11/27/99 Message-ID: "Space Does Not Care" airs every Sat evening from 5-8pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list, or instructions on how to listen on web-radio, e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks. 11/27/99 1.Ozric Tentacles--Dissolution (Pungent Effulgent; dedicated to the memory of Roly Wynne, R.I.P.) 2.Melting Euphoria--Flying Eyes Like Saucers (She Wants to Take Us...) 3.Amon Duul II--One Moment of Anger is Two Pints of Blood (Hawk Meets Penguin) 4.F/i--Starspot (Helioscopium; thanks to Doug Pearson) 5.Hawkwind--Lives of Great Men/The Void of Golden Light (Palace Springs) 6.Quarkspace--Dancing Swan (Live Orion) 7.Amanita--For John Coltrane (Serenity; thanks to Joseph Benzola) 8.Henry Cow--Beginning: The Long March (In Praise of Learning) 9.Electric Hellfire Club--Funeral Procession/Book of Lies (Calling Dr. Luv) 10.Bloodrock--Whiskey Vengeance (Bloodrock III) 11.Hawkwind--Dream Worker (Choose Your Masques) 12.King Black Acid and the Womb Star Orchestra--144 Thousand Member Acid Army (Royal Subjects) 13.Gong--Isle of Everywhere (Live Etc.) 14.Aqueous--Kissing Machine (Entertaining Angels) 15.The Brain--Morph (Access and Amplify) 16.Future Sound of London--Room 208 (Lifeforms) 17.Kraftwelt--Deranged (Space Box comp) 18.Hawkwind--LSD (The Business Trip) 19.Surface 10--Shapeless Friend (Area 51: The Roswell Incident comp) 20.Hawkwind--Earth Calling ( " " " " " " ) 21.Ozric Tentacles--A Gift of Wings (Erpland; dedicated to Roly Wynne) Chuck From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 29 07:01:30 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:01:30 GMT Subject: HW: Michael Moorcock in New Statesman In-Reply-To: Zeitgeist's message of Sat, 27 Nov 1999 14:37:25 +0000 Message-ID: Zeitgeist writes: > MM has had a letter published in this weeks New Stateman reaffirming his > originating the term 'multiverse'. Apparently some of these pesky > physicist types are now claiming it as their own. The British Astronomer Royal has written a book about it. FoFP From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Nov 29 09:59:08 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:59:08 +0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: <013801bf3434$648d7880$f5a2bcd0@hawkwind> Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, Stephan Spiegel wrote: > I guess that this poll has a lot to do with your age, and the > very first HW LP (or CD to the "youngsters") that you were > exposed to. > > I think the next poll should be a little more refined. Like... > > 1. How old are you? > 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? > 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? > 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? I'll bite, this looks like it might be a useful qualifier to our normal era vs. era threads. 1. 23 2. 19 3. _Spirit of the Age_ (Virgin compilation, mostly of _Live '79_ and _Levitation_ stuff) 4. Tape of _Space Ritual_ kindly made for me by Mr. Anderson... And I'd like to add another two, 5: what is your favourite HW album now? and 6: what HW album do you play the most? To which I would answer: 5. _In Search of Space_ and 6. straight tie between _Doremi Fasol Latido_ and _Love In Space_. > Maybe some of our resident university members can come > up with some scientific data from that information? Hey, where there's research funding... Yours, Jon From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Nov 29 10:14:41 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:14:41 +0000 Subject: BOC: MOFI shutting down? Message-ID: Dear All, just picked up this news off USENET; can anybody confirm? Getting hold of those remasters may now be a serious priority! Quoted URL: . Yours, Jon From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Mon Nov 29 11:09:08 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans (aka Gekke Henkie)) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:09:08 +0100 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > 1. How old are you? 28 > 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 29 > 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? Space ritual > 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? Space ritual and to be more accurate Orgone Accumulator and Sonic attack going into Time we left. it still gives me the chills :-)) > And I'd like to add another two, 5: what is your favourite HW album now? Assasins of Allah (bootleg with all those great live sounds from greasy Truckers and Glastonbury Fayre) > and 6: what HW album do you play the most? Doremi --BArt From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Mon Nov 29 11:11:46 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans (aka Gekke Henkie)) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:11:46 +0100 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Op 29 Nov 99, om 17:09, Bart Brugmans (aka Gekke Henkie) schreef: > > 1. How old are you? > 28 > > > 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? > 29 I meant 19 of course ;-) --BArt From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Nov 29 11:09:12 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:09:12 -0500 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: Bart said... >> 1. How old are you? >28 > >> 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? >29 Silly time-traveller!! 1. How old are you? 35 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 16 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? Quark, Strangeness, and Charm - Side Two 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? Levitation; Space Ritual soon thereafter 5. What is your favourite HW album now? Warrior on the Edge of Time 6. what HW album do you play the most? Now? I guess Space Ritual or Palace Springs. Or whatever's new. Keith H. (FAA) From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Mon Nov 29 11:30:59 1999 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (Thomas Guy) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:30:59 -0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: OK folks: 1: 36 2: Heard Silver Machine in 1972, but really heard HW properly when I was 17 (in 1979) 3: Quark Strangeness & Charm 4: Hall of the Mountain Grill 5: Hall of the Mountain Grill 6: Hall of the Mountain Grill (As you probably may notice, I rather like HotMG!! The whole of side A and Paradox are probably perpetually played in heaven! Guy T. -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Jarrett [mailto:jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK] Sent: 29 November 1999 14:59 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW: Recent v Old / Poll On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, Stephan Spiegel wrote: > I guess that this poll has a lot to do with your age, and the > very first HW LP (or CD to the "youngsters") that you were > exposed to. > > I think the next poll should be a little more refined. Like... > > 1. How old are you? > 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? > 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? > 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? I'll bite, this looks like it might be a useful qualifier to our normal era vs. era threads. 1. 23 2. 19 3. _Spirit of the Age_ (Virgin compilation, mostly of _Live '79_ and _Levitation_ stuff) 4. Tape of _Space Ritual_ kindly made for me by Mr. Anderson... And I'd like to add another two, 5: what is your favourite HW album now? and 6: what HW album do you play the most? To which I would answer: 5. _In Search of Space_ and 6. straight tie between _Doremi Fasol Latido_ and _Love In Space_. > Maybe some of our resident university members can come > up with some scientific data from that information? Hey, where there's research funding... Yours, Jon From mordru at FLITE.NET Mon Nov 29 11:54:54 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:54:54 -0500 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: >> 1. How old are you? 31 >> 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 24 >> 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous > >> 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? No. The second one, a compilation, "Lord of Light" (singles of LoL, 7x7, Paradox, YBBI, tRS, and Ejection (plus some latter-day studio thing by Nik I can't stand) did the trick. >> And I'd like to add another two, 5: what is your favourite HW album now? Quark, Strangeness and Charm. Edging out Live Chronicles, Live '79, The Business Trip and Hawklords Live..... I generally prefer live to studio, but my live loyalties are divided. Yes, I don't list Space Ritual, I'm a heathen. I don't dislike it, but its not my favorite. (for example, I much prefer the Brainstorm on Live '79 to the Space Ritual one).... >> and 6: what HW album do you play the most? Well, I don't play albums as much as mp3s of my favorite songs... I've slowly been scratching my entire collection and load up my Rio with random hawkwind when I go rollerblading... Specific album..... The Business Trip. I thought we were almost on the verge of another Hawkbrawl a couple months ago and then I forgot what happened to it... "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random =============== Andrew Apold From mordru at FLITE.NET Mon Nov 29 11:54:55 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:54:55 -0500 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: >Op 29 Nov 99, om 17:09, Bart Brugmans (aka Gekke Henkie) schreef: >> > 1. How old are you? >> 28 >> >> > 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? >> 29 >I meant 19 of course ;-) Dang, I thought that was strangely appropriate for Hawkwind... "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random =============== Andrew Apold From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Mon Nov 29 12:05:28 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Zeitgeist) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:05:28 +0000 Subject: HW: Adrian Shaw solo Message-ID: I haven't heard his latest, but if you want to read reviews of the last 2 go to the URL below and type Adrian Shaw into the Search engine. SAH Blessings and peace from Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground E-zine, freezine and online Record Store at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van Vliet alternate url: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot From bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET Mon Nov 29 12:39:38 1999 From: bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET (Brian Halligan) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:39:38 -0500 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: Message-ID: 1. How old are you? 24 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 19 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? Hawklords: 25 Years On 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? Hall of the Mountain Grill (esp. "Psychedelic Warlords") 5: what is your favourite HW album now? EpochEclipse 3CD set. Or if I have to choose a specific album, Space Ritual 6: what HW album do you play the most? EpochEclipse, or Levitation From flossbac at NLCI.COM Mon Nov 29 12:45:28 1999 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:45:28 -0500 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: > > 1. How old are you? 30 > > 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 16 > > 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? Chronicle of the Black Sword > > 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? No....I think it was "This is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic: Stonehenge" that did it. 5: what is your favourite HW album now? "Palace Springs" or "Hall of the Mountain Grill", though others can be my faves on other days. > 6: what HW album do you play the most? At the moment, "In Your Area" is getting lots of play, but over the years I've been exceptionally partial to Hall of the Mountain Grill. They all get pretty heavy rotation though. John Majka http://www.nlci.com/users/flossbac/hawkwind.html From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Mon Nov 29 12:56:12 1999 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:56:12 -0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: 1. How old are you? 28 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 16 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? The Collection 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? Yes, but only because it was a lousy tape and the first song I heard was Quark, Strangeness and Charm - Einstein being one of my heroes (OK, sad I know)... 5. What is your favourite HW album now? Electric Tepee, although also partial to Alien 4 and HotMG 6. What HW album do you play the most? Electric Tepee Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Nov 29 13:09:47 1999 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:09:47 -0600 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: <4.1.19991129123553.00953490@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: :1. How old are you? 28 :2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 14 :3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? Chronicles of the Black Sword (Live) :4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? Chronicles of the Black Sword (Live) :5: what is your favourite HW album now? Electric Tepee :6: what HW album do you play the most? Ambient Anarchists (at least until I burn my own comp of stuff I like ;) which, unfortunately, will probably require a couple of albums be put on cd first.....) Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #305A Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From tclark at PETRONET.NET Mon Nov 29 13:19:27 1999 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:19:27 -0600 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: > > 1. How old are you? > 36 > > > 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? > 16 > > > 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? > Quark, Strangeness & Charm..quite stoned.... > > > 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? > No, Space Ritual did.....stoned or not stoned.... > > > 5: what is your favourite HW album now? > Live Chronicles. Have the LP, but have not had a record player for the last > 5 years,just got the CD... > > > and 6: what HW album do you play the most? > Lately, Live Chronicles... > TC From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Nov 29 13:21:13 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:21:13 -0800 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: >1. How old are you? 32 >2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 16 >3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? "Psychedelic Warlords" (Hall of the Mountain Grill) on the radio >4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? Yep. As soon as I heard that one song, I pretty much knew I needed all 30-40 (at the time) Hawkwind albums. Purchasing 'Space Ritual', 'Roadhawks' and 'Live 79' later that week confirmed it for me. >5: what is your favourite HW album now? 'Space Ritual' is probably still the all-time favorite, but HotMG, QS&C, the 1984 disc of 'This Is Hawkwind Do Not Panic' and 'Palace Springs' would also be way up there. >6: what HW album do you play the most? That's a tough one! I'll say 'Stasis the UA Years' since I listen to either that or my Lemmy-era singles compilation tape a lot. -Doug ceres at sirius.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 29 13:54:33 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:54:33 GMT Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: Kevin Perry's message of Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:56:12 -0000 Message-ID: > 1. How old are you? 41 > 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 18 > 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? Warrior on the Edge of Time/ Hall of the Mountain Grill > 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? Warrior on the Edge of Time > 5. What is your favourite HW album now? The Business Trip > 6. What HW album do you play the most? The Business Trip FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 29 13:59:10 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:59:10 GMT Subject: Any US BOC-Lers coming to the UK soon? Message-ID: I need to import a portable telescope from the US and would be willing to pay a nice fee for someone to buy and bring it here. It's a "Rip Off Britain" thing where certain US imports are ridiculously expensive here. Apparently because there are Celestron dealers here, the US ones won't ship to the UK. If anyone is interested in helping then please email me. Cheers FoFP From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Nov 29 14:23:14 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:23:14 EST Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: 1. How old are you? 42 > 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 14; summer '72, "master of the universe" on KMET-FM los angeles. it got almost daily play for a couple weeks... > 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? not long after the above, i went and bought the relatively new (in the states) "in search of space" > 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? "doremi fasol latido" 5: what is your favourite HW album now? "doremi", followed by all the other lemmy-era stuff. 6: what HW album do you play the most? well, i've got about 120 live/audience tapes on top of almost all of the legit stuff.. but, in general, i havent listened to much music at all the last couple years. i've got a friend who sends an almost-annual box of new/related HW (and bevis frond) on cassette. and i sit through all of it, at least once. literally speaking, i probably heard "love in space" the most often this year, because it was in my car. mostly i hear HW when i'm making a tape for someone else. "<>" . From sprawl at STARPOWER.NET Mon Nov 29 15:23:38 1999 From: sprawl at STARPOWER.NET (Ronald Jennings) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:23:38 -0500 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: > >1. How old are you? 34 > 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 16, in 1981-82 > 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? Space Ritual. And never heard another or another until the end of 1985. All that time I thought Space Ritual was their only album. > 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? "Space ritual and to be more accurate Orgone Accumulator and Sonic attack going into Time we left. it still gives me the chills :-))" (Hate to be a copy-cat, but it is true. I would only add the it was Mike Moorcock's involvement that REALLY did the job.) In late '85, I met some dude in a hotel swimming pool in Missouri, who laughed at me when I told him my favorite album was SpaceRitual- the only album by a band who never did anything else that I knew of.. He told me about all the various albums they had, and especially about the Chronicle of the BlackSword. I spent the next four years trying to find ANYTHING by HW, but all I found was Ridicule. (Yeah, that sounds right, huh?) ;) Then, along came Space Bandits, and suddenly, HW was everywhere. I bought most of my collection in the space of a few months. SO- does anyone remember meeting a 19 year-old Army Dude from Ft Leonard Wood in a hotel swimming pool in '85? > And I'd like to add another two, 5: what is your favourite HW album now? Again, whichever has most recently been played. Sounds cheesy, but each time I hear an album, it becomes my favorite, until I hear the next. >6: what HW album do you play the most? None in particular, but I tend to go for the ones with the longer track-lists. RJ From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Mon Nov 29 15:52:41 1999 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:52:41 -0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: Subject: Re: HW: Recent v Old / Poll > 1. How old are you? 33 > > 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 14 >3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? "Psychedelic Warlords" and "You Better Believe It" on the end of a tape. I used to listen to tapes on a little tape deck on headphones after I`d gone to bed. Side One had Led Zep and Side Two Had Van Halen II. When Van Halen finished there was just silence and I was dropping off to sleep when "Warlords" cut in. It must have been recorded on the tape previously. It was truly a religious experience. The guy who did me that tape had no idea what had been on it and it took me a year (and the Friday Rock Show) to find out! > 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? I was hooked on a band but didn`t know who they were. When I finally found out I got hold of "Live `79" and was truly hooked. >5: what is your favourite HW album now? "Live `79". (I want the complete version. Is it in shops yet? I can only find "Live `82".) > >6: what HW album do you play the most? "Live `79" and currently "Live `82". "Business Trip" get`s many plays too. Si From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE Mon Nov 29 16:06:18 1999 From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:06:18 +0100 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: Hello, 1. How old are you? 21 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 17 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? Live Chronicles 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? nope, Leviation 5. What is your favourite HW album now? Quark, closely followed by PXR5 6. what HW album do you play the most? see above + Space Ritual & Doremi D-R -- "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" Hassan I Sabbah www.d-rider.de From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Mon Nov 29 15:28:27 1999 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:28:27 +0100 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: <02c501bf3a93$06526590$3a5b32c3@ivision.co.uk> Message-ID: >1. How old are you? 41 >2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 14 >3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? doremi fasol latido >4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? no but i got hooked on when i heard silver machine and to my biggest surprise it even entered our dutch hitparade !!!! > 5. What is your favourite HW album now? 3 cd box epocheclipse. this set covers their complete record career and now i can hear what great music they made during this 30 years, it's probably the best music sampled ever for me !!!!!!! when i listen to this set there is for me no weak period but that's quite different as you listen to some original albums. >6. What HW album do you play the most? it is the business of the future to be dangerous. i always liked instrumental music (tangerine dream, klaus schulze etc.) and i think this is a very modern sounding band. and it's one of their mostly different albums as well. space is (still) deep. andr? From g.m.wright at TINYONLINE.CO.UK Mon Nov 29 16:22:43 1999 From: g.m.wright at TINYONLINE.CO.UK (g.m.wright) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:22:43 -0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: Subject: Re: HW: Recent v Old / Poll 1. How old are you? 34 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 19 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? Chronicle of the Black Sword, (I was/am heavily into Mike Moorcocks books and was intrigued by the idea of a band doing an entire tour based on his work) 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? No, that was Angels of Death 5: what is your favourite HW album now? It varies depending on my mood, but they all get a regular airing, I particularly like listening to different live interpretations of the same songs. 6: what HW album do you play the most? It's the Business, Electric Tepee, California Brainstorm (sorry, can't narrow it down beyond these three) Geoff. geoff wright g.m.wright at tinyonline.co.uk From brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Nov 29 16:18:45 1999 From: brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Brian Coulthard) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:18:45 -0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > 1. How old are you? 40 > 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 16 > 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? Quark Strangeness and Charm 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? Quark again 5: what is your favourite HW album now? Live Chronicles 6: what HW album do you play the most? Currently, Although it varies, Hawkwind 97 From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Nov 29 15:56:07 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:56:07 +0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 14:59 29.11.1999 +0000, you wrote: At 14:59 29.11.1999 +0000, you wrote: >On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, Stephan Spiegel wrote: > >> I guess that this poll has a lot to do with your age, and the >> very first HW LP (or CD to the "youngsters") that you were >> exposed to. >> >> I think the next poll should be a little more refined. Like... >> >> 1. How old are you? 43 >> 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? c. 16 >> 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? Prob. DoReMi if you mean whole album >> 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? Space Ritual >> 5: what is your favourite HW album now? Space Ritual >> 6: what HW album do you play the most? Xenon Codex & Palace Springs (They're back to back on a tape in the car) But this is slightly artificial since my vinyl system is still in storage. Cheers, ChrisW ObGame: Dungeon Keeper Gold (I'm just SOOOOO evil!) "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Nov 29 17:04:56 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:04:56 +0000 Subject: OFF: More Deaths In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19991127161010.00695b38@pop3.connectfree.co.uk> Message-ID: Maybe it's a sign of age... Too many obits just lately Doug Sahm (Sir Douglas Quintet &c.) Lester Bowie...trumpeter extraordinaire (Art Ensemble of Chicago, Brass Fantasy) Sadly, ChrisW "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Mon Nov 29 17:53:59 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:53:59 -0500 Subject: BOC/BRAIN: Albert Bouchard in magazine Message-ID: perusing the racks of musick mags, Modern Drummer had a "where are they now ?" cavalcade w/ none other than Albert Bouchard in the ranks. Lenthy=ish chunks of quote from A.Bouchard about what he's done and what he's doing now. Also, a pic of him from the 80's I assume. More to come later: "Review" of the '66 Breakout LP by MC-5 and Thunder Express CD by the same group. Why? because I felt like it:) rock and roll is dead (+ the two sampled yipping noises) Jason From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 29 17:59:21 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:59:21 +0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991129205607.007fe100@mail.clara.net> Message-ID: >>> 1. How old are you? 34 >>> 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 13 or 14. This would have been when you could get together with some heads and play everything they had released in an evening. Every weekend. >>> 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? Warrior >>> 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? Was it ever. I was hooked from the minute the vocals start on Assault and Battery. Instantly. >>> 5: what is your favourite HW album now? as an album, it probably still is Warrior. Man, I love that album. Everyone's contribution is so distinctive. Dave's Demented Man, Nik's Dying Seas etc. The magic band at the height of its powers. >>> 6: what HW album do you play the most? the only album I don't play most is the 1st one. Everything else is about 1st equal. When I do the orders for the shop and can get on my own for a while, I usually play 8 or 10 of them in an afternoon. -- Jon obCD / Various - A Lethal Dose of Hard Psyche (Arf! Arf!) Everyone should have at least one Arf! Arf! disc in their collection. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Nov 29 18:19:49 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy.Gilham) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:19:49 -0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > >>> 1. How old are you? Too bloody old! 40. > >>> 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 12, when "Silver Machine" came out. "See yourself going by - the other side of the sky!!!!" Far out! > >>> 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? All the way through in one go, probably Astounding, down the youth club (!). But Radio Caroline would play whole sides off of Space Ritual on a summer's afternoon... > >>> 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? Well, Silver Machine was, really. I heard Urban Guerilla once on Radio Luxembourg, and I remember really looking forward to it. But it was banned before I could get a copy (at the time). "Spirit of the Age," which Caroline played several times a day that summer, sealed it for me. And by then I could afford to buy LPs so there was no stopping me! > >>> 5: what is your favourite HW album now? Space Ritual, I guess. Or perhaps Doremi. Very soft spot for 25 Years On. And PXR5's bloody good. etc etc. > >>> 6: what HW album do you play the most? Lately, Epoch-Eclipse, but I go through spells... It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous, quite a lot, but I've spun White Zone three or four times this week. -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 29 19:00:09 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:09 +0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Andy.Gilham writes >> >>> 1. How old are you? > >Too bloody old! 40. You don't look it! -- Jon ObCD - You Gotta Have Moxie Vol.2 (more garage idiots) From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Mon Nov 29 19:04:55 1999 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (PatrickC) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:04:55 +1000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: I hope that someone is collecting all this data 'cause the stats would be fascinating! >> >>> 1. How old are you? 22 >> >>> 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 17 >> >>> 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? A compilation album (I can't remember the exact name - actually I think it was just Hawkwind - The Collection) >> >>> 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? I was impressed by the majority of the songs but when `Douglas in the Jungle' came on after having numerous amounts of herbal remedies I knew exactly what this band was on about - went back and listened to the rest of the album again and needed more >> >>> 5: what is your favourite HW album now? Actually, Distant Horizons, I've borrowed it off Max (and your not getting it back) and Jerry's guitar is probably the best thing since Huw - and it has all new material with the added bonus of not having Rizz! >> >>> 6: what HW album do you play the most? Business of the Future/Warrior/Hawklords Patrick From a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK Mon Nov 29 19:32:53 1999 From: a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK (Alun Hughes) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:32:53 +0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: >> 1. How old are you? Better answer this before I'm 40! 39. >> 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? Probably 12 and "Silver Machine", but 16 or so when I really noticed. >> 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? Oddly enough, the first one, bought on spec, and not what I expected. But I got _Astounding_ soon after. >> 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? No, that would have been _Space Ritual_. >> 5: what is your favourite HW album now? _Space Ritual_. >> 6: what HW album do you play the most? _Space Ritual_ ... getting a bit samey this, isn't it? Alun From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 29 21:01:07 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:01:07 -0500 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > 1. How old are you? 28. > 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 20. > 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? Xenon Codex. (!) > 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? Palace Springs. (which was the second album I heard. The 3rd, _HotMG_ was just the nail in the coffin :) >> And I'd like to add another two, 5: what is your favourite HW album now? _Space Ritual_. Probably. >> and 6: what HW album do you play the most? _Space Ritual_. Probably. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 29 21:03:25 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:03:25 -0500 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: <4.1.19991123214010.009c7100@pophost.tardis.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 22.25 +0000 99-11-24, Dave Berry wrote: >I'm beginning to think that I'd rather see the current line-up >concentrate on producing an album of new material and a tour, rather >than chasing the goal of reunion gigs. There is some good stuff on IYA; >there just isn't enough of it. Agreed! Each Hawkwind version has a "voice" and the current line-up hasn't found theirs yet, it seems to me. I like some voices better than others, but any Hawkwind voice is better than none at all. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Mon Nov 29 21:25:17 1999 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:25:17 EST Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: I << > 1. How old are you? 45 > 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 18 > 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? Space Ritual > 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? Space Ritual > 5. What is your favourite HW album now? The Business Trip > 6. What HW album do you play the most? The Business Trip regards, Bill Stewart From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Nov 29 21:22:37 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:22:37 -0800 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:03:25 -0500, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >At 22.25 +0000 99-11-24, Dave Berry wrote: >>I'm beginning to think that I'd rather see the current line-up >>concentrate on producing an album of new material and a tour, rather >>than chasing the goal of reunion gigs. There is some good stuff on IYA; >>there just isn't enough of it. > >Agreed! Each Hawkwind version has a "voice" and the current line-up hasn't >found theirs yet, it seems to me. I like some voices better than others, >but any Hawkwind voice is better than none at all. I think we all agree that the current lineup is pretty darn good, but I don't entirely agree with Carl's assessment - I think the current lineup *has* found it's voice, it's just that (as Dave sorta says), it isn't always used. Songs like "Wheels", "Reptoid Vision" and "Hippy" are as classic Hawkwind as any of their best stuff from the last 20 years ("Motorway City", "Night of the Hawk", "Right To Decide", add your own favorite ... ) IMO. Granted, I'd love to hear a new album *full* of songs of that quality, but I don't expect 100% perfection on any album by any band. The batting averages on DH and IYA are perfectly fine by me, and I'm as eagerly awaiting any album of new material as Dave is. (Having said all that, I'll admit that I'm one of those 'time-warped' characters who still likes the 70's material best.) BTW what's up with IitBotFtbD being so many peoples' most-listened album? That's gotta be up there with 'Church of Hawkwind' as one of my least-listened. Then again, I may just be prejudiced over the fact that the guitar doesn't come in until half way through side 2! (Did I already mention that one of my favorite things about the HW fans on boc-l is the incredibly wide range of opinions regarding our favorite band?) -Doug ceres at sirius.com From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Mon Nov 29 21:29:09 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:29:09 EST Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: Okay, I love talking about myself... :) > 1. How old are you? > 26 > > >>> 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? > 21 (celebrating my five-year anniv. about now. Whoa, did I use the word "celebrate"? Cool, got an excuse to get drunk and crank HW tonight..._after_ homework) > > >>> 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? > > First HW material ever heard were songs on a tape trade--Silver Machine (Stasis), Urban Guerilla (Anth), Magnu/Angels of Death (Anth), Born to Go (Anth) and Motorhead (Anth). I liked 'em all w/repeated listens, but it was Mag/Angels that totally blew me away. Shortly after I found Space Bandits on cassette, so that was the first complete album. > > >>> 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? > Song: Magnu/Angels Album: hmm...Doremi or Roadhawks, I guess (thanks to the graciousness of Jill.) > > >>> 5: what is your favourite HW album now? > Space Ritual will never be beat. (Samey, but true.) (Doremi, Warrior, PXR5, Quark, Hawklords Live, Church of HW, L. Chronicles and Bus Trip are also on the top 10.) > >>> 6: what HW album do you play the most? > Lately: In Your Area (and not just because it's new, I _do_ like it), Space Ritual, whatever songs I play on my show (I've played at least a song or two from just about every album now.) Chuck From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Nov 29 14:31:08 1999 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (IAN ABRAHAMS) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:31:08 -0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: 1. How old are you? 36 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 17 or 18 I guess 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? Live 1979 - my cousin always played it on the way to gigs and I loved Shot Down and Spirit and investigated further! 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? Quark Strangeness and Charm. Bought it because it had Spirit of the Age on it and couldn't believe how different it was from the Live 79 version 5. What is your favourite HW album now? Astounding Sounds usually. But tomorrow it might be Business of The Future or Quark. It might even be Church of Hawkwind, but I don't think so :) 6. What HW album do you play the most? The latest one! Ian ian at abrahamsi.freeserve.co.uk From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Tue Nov 30 01:43:20 1999 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:43:20 +0100 Subject: AW: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: > > 1. How old are you? 39 > > 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 15 > > 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? LIVE79 > > 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? Silver Machine >5: what is your favourite HW album now? Levitation > > 6: what HW album do you play the most? Live Chronicals > Cheers, Bernhard From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Nov 30 02:40:25 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy.Gilham) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:40:25 -0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > >> >>> 1. How old are you? > > > >Too bloody old! 40. > > You don't look it! > -- Or act it! :) -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 30 04:22:33 1999 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:22:33 +0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: <199911291654.LAA23549@issfire.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: > 1. How old are you? 38 > 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 12, I guess -- it was Silver Machine on the radio while I was at Scout Camp > 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? Hall of the Mountain Grill, my cousin's copy, when I was 14 or 15. > 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? Yep. Followed by Warrior & Space Ritual. > 5. What is your favourite HW album now? I can never answer this question. It's not even true to say "all of them". I'll pick Alien 4 and Love In Space, but they're closely followed by 10 or so others. > 6. What HW album do you play the most? Probably California Brainstorm. Dave Berry, www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~daveb From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Tue Nov 30 05:17:07 1999 From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:17:07 +0100 Subject: refined poll Message-ID: without adding my 2?, i just had to answer this :-) >I think the next poll should be a little more refined. Like... >1. How old are you? 26 >2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? oh.....19, maybe? >3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? roadhawks >4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? yup, it was - i mean, i still reckon it to be maybe the best "firt-timers" introduction - to the lemmy-era hawkwind ...the period i like the best, beside the calvert era. imo two very different approaches to the same music genre... From richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK Tue Nov 30 06:40:21 1999 From: richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK (Cutting, Richard) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:40:21 -0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old/Poll === Message-ID: 1. How old are you. 31. 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind ? Somewhere between 17 - 19. 3. What was the 1st Hawkwind album you heard ? This is Hawkwind Do Not Panic ( Stonehenge 84 ) 4. What was the one that 'hooked' you ? This is Hawkwind Do Not Panic ( Stonehenge 84 ). Psi Power and Angels of Death in particular. 5. what is your favourite Hawkwind album now ? This is Hawkwind Do Not Panic ( Stonehenge 84 ) - this is my all time favourite ever ! Coming a close second is Live Chronicles followed by the Live in 79 jobbie. 6. What Hawkwind album do you play the most ? Whatevers new. At the moment it rotates between Glastonbury 90, In Your area and Hawkwind 97. Everything gets a spin occasionally though. Richard. ********************************************************************** LEGAL DISCLAIMER ********************************************************************** The contents of this email and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Synopsys hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this email and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. 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Both tracks are from London, Lewisham Odeon, 18.12.1980 Bernhard From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Nov 30 07:41:08 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 07:41:08 EST Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll...att: doug p. Message-ID: pardon the intrusion, guys n' gals, but... ===================== In a message dated 11/29/99 9:28:21 PM, ceres at SIRIUS.COM writes: << -Doug ceres at sirius.com > =========== doug, my off-group mail isnt getting through to you...keeps coming back. 'sup? "<>" From pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Nov 30 08:19:56 1999 From: pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM (Juha Nurmenniemi) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 05:19:56 PST Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: >1. How old are you? >37 > >2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? >14 >3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? >Roadhawks. > >4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? >Warrior On The Edge Of Time + side 1 & 2 of Space Ritual. > >5: what is your favourite HW album now? >That?s a hard one.Propably a tie between Hall Of The Mountain Grill , >Warrior.. and Space Ritual,. > > >6: what HW album do you play the most? >Space Ritual,Tales From Atomhenge,Levitation. It?s almost impossible to decide what albums are the best as all albums have their moments. In space we trust, Juba ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Tue Nov 30 08:26:57 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:26:57 -0500 Subject: BOC: Joe Bouchard's Basses Message-ID: Joe recently posted this on AOL - I found it interesting as Joe is one of my bassplaying inspirations, and I figured a few equipment freaks like Theo might enjoy... ;-) John On the first five BOC albums I played my black Fender Precision bass. Nothing fancy just a stock model from 1970 where I changed the knobs, tuning gears and added a Badass bridge. In 77 I got an Alembic Bass, long scale, which is the bass on the studio version of Godzilla. It was a very big instrument, so eventually Donald convinced me to get a Music Man Stingray Bass. That one I played on Burning for You and other recordings. Amps_ honestly I can't remember them all. I remember high school friends from the early days asking me about my amps and what they cost. All I could say is I didn't have a clue what they cost. I guess that's part of living the "rockstar" life. The roadies just set them up every night and I'd plug in and play. I still have all my basses except for the Alembic which is owned by a friend. He refuses to sell it back to me. Someday you may see it encased in glass in a museum. From james.hogard at JUNO.COM Tue Nov 30 09:16:07 1999 From: james.hogard at JUNO.COM (James A Hogard) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:16:07 -0600 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: 1. How old are you? 28 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 16 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? _Levitation_ 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? Yep 5. What is your favourite HW album now? _Space Ritual_ 6. What HW album do you play the most? Probably _Doremi_ Hogard From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Tue Nov 30 09:51:20 1999 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:51:20 +0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: >>> 1. How old are you? 30 (mental age is variable) >>> 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 14 >>> 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? > Hmm, it was more a compilation someone had made up to try and hook me. Don't recall a full album. Stuff off 25 Years, Live 79 mainly. >>> 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? It was that damn comp... it worked! First one I bought was Warrior... the first album I purchased that was recorded before 1976. Being a committed (more than once!) punk rocker, this was a big step :) >>> 5: what is your favourite HW album now? HotMG, Space Ritual, Electric Teepee >>> 6: what HW album do you play the most? HotMG That was harder than I thought ;) Dave From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK Tue Nov 30 10:48:12 1999 From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (David Bottomley) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:48:12 -0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: OK, here's mine.... > 1. How old are you? 35 >2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 8 (vivid memory of taping the Silver Machine clip from the 1972 TotP Christmas show onto my dad's old reel-to-reel!), but then promptly forgot about them until the re-release of SM in '78 (aged 14), when I bought.... >3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? Roadhawks. >4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? Oh yes. Wasn't too sure about Hurry on Sundown & Paranoia (at first), but You Shouldn't Do That, SM and the whole of side 2 blew me away instantly (wish they'd put this on CD..). >5. what is your favourite HW album now? Space Ritual. No contest! >6. what HW album do you play the most? Like many others, it depends. Short-term, I'm playing Live '82 (pretty good) and Glastonbury '90 (not so good) lots. Longer-term I play Business Trip & Space Ritual a fair bit, also In Your Area. The comp I play most is the 25 Years box set (much better than epocheclipse, IMHO). Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Tue Nov 30 11:32:27 1999 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:32:27 -0600 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: >1. How old are you? 38 >2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 16 (or maybe 15) >3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? Hall of the Mountain Grill I am a big fan of Michael Moorcock, and I had recently read Time of the Hawklords. I was browsing in what is still my favorite record store and came across HotMG. I didn't even know Hawkwind was a real band, but bought the album on the strength of the cover and the connection to Moorcock. >4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? Yes. I was hooked from the opening track. >5. What is your favourite HW album now? HotMG. But Warrior on the Edge of Time is a *damn* close second. >6. What HW album do you play the most? HotMG. Frank -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. -- Steven Wright ============================================================ Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Nov 30 11:36:19 1999 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:36:19 PST Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: 1. How old are you? 26 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 15 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? _Utopia 1984_ 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? Aye. 5. What is your favourite HW album now? _Space Ritual_ 6. What HW album do you play the most? Probably _Leviation_ & _PXR5_ & _Space Ritual_ Does Bob Calvert's _Test Tube Conceived_ count? Chris ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Nov 30 11:45:43 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:45:43 -0500 Subject: HW: Psi Power In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Cutting, Richard wrote: => 3. What was the 1st Hawkwind album you heard ? => => This is Hawkwind Do Not Panic ( Stonehenge 84 ) => => 4. What was the one that 'hooked' you ? => => This is Hawkwind Do Not Panic ( Stonehenge 84 ). Psi Power and Angels of => Death in particular. This is spooky! Those answers apply exactly for me, although in my case you could've stopped at "Psi Power." What a storming album opener, and enough to get this poor fool irretrievably hooked on Hawkwind at least... Cheers, Paul. NP: Gov't Mule, _Live...With a Little Help From Our Friends: Collector's Edition_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Tue Nov 30 12:09:06 1999 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:09:06 -0600 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: >1. How old are you? 40 >2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 15 >3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? Warrior on the Edge of Time >4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? Yes. I had a summer job at TG&Y (a 70's Wal-Mart) and enticed the lady in the record department to allow me to "suggest" what to order each month. One day during lunch a coworker popped in a 8-track of Warrior. It blew me away! The next time an order was placed we ordered 20 warrior LPs! I coerced all my friends to come in and buy a copy. >5. What is your favorite HW album now? Warrior! >6. What HW album do you play the most? HotMG or Stonehenge: This is HW Do Not Panic obCD Nik Turner Past of Future -- Doug Bates From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Tue Nov 30 12:53:03 1999 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 17:53:03 -0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: >> 1. How old are you? 29...well ok, 30 in less than a month >> 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 16 >> 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? Levitation, but Sonic Attack was on the other side of the tape >> 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? mmm.. no, the tape of Reading '86 from the Friday Rock Show that I made, but seeing them live on the Chaos tour in '86 was what really got me. >> 5. What is your favourite HW album now? couldn't really say. I tend to go through fads of liking different eras. >> 6. What HW album do you play the most? Lately, Epoch Eclipse, HW 97, IYA but over the years probably Space Ritual Nick From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Tue Nov 30 12:49:19 1999 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 18:49:19 +0100 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: 1. How old are you? 34 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 15 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? Levitation 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? No, Warrior on the Edge of Time 5. What is your favourite HW album now? Quark, Strangeness & Charm 6. What HW album do you play the most? Quark, Strangeness & Charm Andreas From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Tue Nov 30 13:01:50 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Zeitgeist) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 18:01:50 +0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: 1. How old are you? 34 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 13 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? I saw HW live before I heard anything by them. I was a newly converted Motorhead fan, when an evil, evil man who has cost me several thousand pounds since said "Lemmy, he used to be in HW. They're on tour just now. Fancy going?" Two weeks later on what was the 79 tour I saw HW live for the first time. For my 14th birthday I asked for and got Warrior On The Edge Of Time 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? Warrior On The Edge Of Time 5. What is your favourite HW album now? Chronicle Of The Black Sword 6. what HW album do you play the most? I tend to have a stack of compilations to hand in the CD player, particularly the Griffin ones, but when I sit down at the turntable PXR5 always seems to end up 1st on the decks of dubiety Stuart Blessings and peace from Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground E-zine, freezine and online Record Store at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van Vliet alternate url: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Tue Nov 30 12:55:18 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Zeitgeist) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 17:55:18 +0000 Subject: HW: Record Collector Message-ID: In this months Web Watch Record Collector were looking at prog sides. They picked out 2 HW sites as being worthy of mention, so it's a round of applause and big props to our very own Sonique and Age! SAH NP Supergrass - Moving (surprisingly addictive track from a band I have hitherto had little time for) Blessings and peace from Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground E-zine, freezine and online Record Store at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van Vliet alternate url: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 30 13:11:10 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 18:11:10 GMT Subject: OFF: Censorship hits home Message-ID: Apparently there's to be a "Pornfire" preceded by a torchlight parade with drums on Calton Hill in Edinburgh this Thursday at 7pm. This is apparently in "aid" of a Violence Against Women campaign and is being funded by the City Council (or more accurately by us poor schmuck taxpayers). Needless to say we've gotten a small group together to protest this nonsense. Plans so far are for a letter to the various newspapers signed by local worthies and dignitaries such as the writer Iain Banks and a woman who writes material for "Relate" - an organisation who do counselling for domestic violence. Someone is handling faxes to radio stations and journalists inviting them to a Book Burning . We also plan a special surprise on the night itself and some leafletting of the event. I'm also considering playing Hawkwind's "Fahrenheit 451" at the event, since that seems appropriate, though I don't have a usable ghettoblaster. If any Edinburgh hawkfans wuld like to bring or loan one, this would be much appreciated. If any others have any suggestions of how to take on the book burners and the craven politicians backing them, then we're open to ideas... FoFP From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Tue Nov 30 13:15:36 1999 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:15:36 -0800 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: 1. How old are you? 41 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 18 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? Warrior 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? Yes. Well, actually I was hooked before I touched the album, because I saw a HotMG poster on the wall of the shop and thought "I *have* to hear this band!" Sadly they were out of HotMG but they *had* just got the *new* one in, Warrior... They rest, as they say, is history. (And I've finally got a copy of the HotMG poster!) 5. What is your favourite HW album now? Quark and Warrior swap positions regularly 6. What HW album do you play the most? See above Little known Hawkwind fact: playing Psychedelic Warlords loudly while playing video games signifigantly improves your score! scorch From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 30 12:32:08 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:32:08 EDT Subject: OFF: Censorship hits home In-Reply-To: <199911301811.SAA09697@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > From: M Holmes > If any others have any suggestions of how to take on the book burners > and the craven politicians backing them, then we're open to ideas... > Funny you should mention this. In my town, there's a plan afoot to re-zone much of the city in an attempt to outlaw most 'adult entertainment.' Because you can't legally put someone out of business who is running a legal shop, you must offer them an alternative site if you institute such zoning. So they've proposed a sort of 'porno ghetto' in a lonely stretch of town where all the adult businesses will have to locate! Actually, this has been done in other US cities, c.f. Boston--a city which always used to pride itself as one of the intellectual nerve centers of North America. But how 'bout Canada? Porno [hardcore, that is] is completely illegal, and will be siezed at the border. Didn't some band get in trouble over this a few years back? theo From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Nov 30 13:53:56 1999 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:53:56 EST Subject: OFF: Censorship hits home Message-ID: In a message dated 11/30/99 1:11:37 PM EST, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: << Apparently there's to be a "Pornfire" preceded by a torchlight parade with drums on Calton Hill in Edinburgh this Thursday at 7pm. This is apparently in "aid" of a Violence Against Women campaign and is being funded by the City Council (or more accurately by us poor schmuck taxpayers). >> Don't pay your taxes! When the collector appears at your door--blow his/her fuckin head off. Future generations are relying on us! Best Regards, Bill From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Nov 30 14:13:45 1999 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:13:45 EST Subject: OFF: Censorship hits home Message-ID: In a message dated 11/30/99 1:35:37 PM EST, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: << But how 'bout Canada? Porno [hardcore, that is] is completely illegal, and will be siezed at the border. Didn't some band get in trouble over this a few years back? >> That wasn't PORN!! It was Ron Tree....and Dave Brock...and Kris Tait regards, Bill From mwood at MY-DEJA.COM Tue Nov 30 14:25:13 1999 From: mwood at MY-DEJA.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:25:13 -0800 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: > 1. How old are you? 33 > 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? um, 27? > 3. What was the 1st Hawkwind album you heard ? A tape of HotMG/Space Bandits. > 4. What was the one that 'hooked' you ? Warrior. I loved the first tape I heard, but then I heard QSC & PXR5, and I lost interest for a while. Then I picked up Warrior, and it was all over. (I have since learned to appreciate the Calvert era, and QSC is a strong favorite.) I found a guy on the net selling off a ton of HW CDs, and caught the tail end of the Griffin stuff as the label closed up shop, and found myself with an instant HW collection. Just need PXR5 on CD... > What is your favourite HW album now? Right now, _Space Ritual_. > 6. What HW album do you play the most? _Levitation_ or whatever is new to my collection. (And BTW, I love Church of Hawkwind!) On Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:45:43 Paul Mather wrote: >NP: Gov't Mule, _Live...With a Little Help From Our Friends: Collector's Edition_ Huh, "Collector's Edition"? What's that got that my plain old vanilla edition doesn't have? MWood NP: Sh-man-tra: _Cornucopia_ --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Tue Nov 30 14:26:46 1999 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 19:26:46 GMT Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: > Subject: Re: HW: Recent v Old / Poll > > >1. How old are you? 39 > >2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 15 >3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? Roadhawks >4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? Yes, It's a good mix of singles and classic album tracks. >5: what is your favourite HW album now? Hall of the Mountain Grill > >6: what HW album do you play the most? Probably still 'Hall of the Mountain Grill', but I regularly play most pre '79 and post '89 albums. All the best Mick. -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From tclark at PETRONET.NET Tue Nov 30 14:31:30 1999 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:31:30 -0600 Subject: OFF: Censorship hits home Message-ID: Porno Illegal in Canada? ....must be if it's imported. Instead, though you can always go to the neighborhood tittie joint and watch two completely naked women on stage touch one another and show you their innards....Nationalistic pornography, must be...hmmmm... "Ted Jackson jr. s2h2" wrote: > > From: M Holmes > > If any others have any suggestions of how to take on the book burners > > and the craven politicians backing them, then we're open to ideas... > > > > Funny you should mention this. In my town, there's a plan afoot to > re-zone much of the city in an attempt to outlaw most 'adult > entertainment.' Because you can't legally put someone out of > business who is running a legal shop, you must offer them an > alternative site if you institute such zoning. So they've proposed a > sort of 'porno ghetto' in a lonely stretch of town where all the > adult businesses will have to locate! Actually, this has been done > in other US cities, c.f. Boston--a city which always used to pride > itself as one of the intellectual nerve centers of North America. > > But how 'bout Canada? Porno [hardcore, that is] is completely > illegal, and will be siezed at the border. Didn't some band get in > trouble over this a few years back? > > theo From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 30 14:40:00 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 19:40:00 GMT Subject: OFF: Censorship hits home In-Reply-To: Bill Stewart's message of Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:53:56 EST Message-ID: Bill Stewart writes: > In a message dated 11/30/99 1:11:37 PM EST, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: > > << Apparently there's to be a "Pornfire" preceded by a torchlight parade > with drums on Calton Hill in Edinburgh this Thursday at 7pm. This is > apparently in "aid" of a Violence Against Women campaign and is being > funded by the City Council (or more accurately by us poor schmuck > taxpayers). >> > Don't pay your taxes! When the collector appears at your door--blow > his/her fuckin head off. New Nanny thought of that and banned handguns completely. FoFP From corwyn2 at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Nov 30 14:45:13 1999 From: corwyn2 at MINDSPRING.COM (Michael Habiby) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:45:13 -0500 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: > 1. How old are you? 38 > 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 17 > 3. What was the 1st Hawkwind album you heard/bought ? Hawklords 25 yrs on. > 4. What was the one that 'hooked' you ? The first time. Thanks to Greg Stone and his show Stone Trek on the air Sunday from 9 to midnight in the San Jose Ca area. - interregnum 1- (I had collected up to Church but never saw anything else from them till the early 90's) The second time was finding WATEOT box set in 1993 or so (not sure) and discovering that the boys had not had a distribution contract for like 10 yrs and that they were STILL around making music. This set me off on the Kollection Quest which I have pretty much filled. - interregnum 2 - (The box set had releases listed to Electric Teepee but I didnt know what was happening past that till I found the BOC-L list and Griffen got the distribution rights here in the USofA.) THE THIRD TIME was getting what was for me a "new" release of Electric Teepee. This taught me that the boys were still making great music. > What is your favorite HW album now? Probably Levitation, Church, Electric Teepee... that is a toughie. > 6. What HW album do you play the most? The latest release (whatever that might be) and the 25yrs on collection + lots of great bootlegs (thanx BP). From clemens at TRAIL.COM Tue Nov 30 14:57:08 1999 From: clemens at TRAIL.COM (Clemens) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:57:08 -0700 Subject: HW:Recent v Old/Poll Message-ID: > 1. How old are you? 42 > 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 14 > 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? In Search of Space. After hearing Master of the Universe on AM radio(thanks to B. Mitchell Reed-before he graduated to KMET)...the rest is history > 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? Yup; but that one, Doremi Fasol Latido, and Space Ritual I mentally group as a trilogy. Seeing them perform the Space Ritual was one of the defining moments in this droid's life. When Hall of the Mountain Grill came out with and seeing the crashed ship I got concerned and after Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music I was worried that they left space for terra, complete with girlie chorus (kerb crawler.) It took a couple of decades before I could appreciate the latter two releases. > And I'd like to add another two, 5: what is your favorite HW album now? Space Ritual and Warrior on the Edge of Time > and 6: what HW album do you play the most? Doremi or Warrior, perhaps --Mark Licht -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Nov 30 14:55:27 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:55:27 -0500 Subject: OFF: Live...With a Little Help From Our Friends: Collector's Edition In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Marshall Wood wrote: => On Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:45:43 Paul Mather wrote: => >NP: Gov't Mule, _Live...With a Little Help From Our Friends: Collector's Edition_ => => Huh, "Collector's Edition"? What's that got that my plain old vanilla edition doesn't have? How about two extra CDs?? ;-) The Collector's Edition is a 4CD set, recently released by Capricorn, which contains the *entire* New Year's Eve gig, "highlights" of which appear on the 2CD set. Total running time of the set is a tad over 4 hours! Plus, there's a bonus studio outtake of "Pygmy Twylyte" + various multimedia offerings (digital video, interviews, etc. which I've not had a chance to look at yet) at the end of disc 4. The amusing thing about this gig is that they ran out of tape in the recording truck (they didn't expect the Mule would play so long!), and so various bits have been spliced in from audience recordings and the live mix made on the night. (That explains some of the omissions from the "highlights" 2CD set, e.g. "Gambler's Roll" for starters!!) They've put in a lot of effort. The sound quality is GREAT! The music is even better!! Here's what's not on the 2CD set: Wandering Child [7:45]; (No Need To) Suffer [8:12]; The Hunter [8:34]; Gambler's Roll [13:46]; 32-20 Blues [9:36]; I Shall Return [9:36]; Spanish Moon [20:10]; Third Stone From The Sun [16:57]. It also comes with a free _Dose_ mandala patch, and the packaging has a nice booklet with lots of pics from the gig and liner notes for each song by Warren Haynes. I understand that this is a limited edition (hence the title). I got mine from CDNow with a $20 off coupon. (See http://cdshopper.cjb.net/ for current online CD shop coupon deals. E.g., CDNow has a $15 off coupon valid until Dec 1st, and BUY.COM has a $20 off coupon for *new* customers valid until Dec 20th.) Cheers, Paul. NP: Gov't Mule, _Live...With a Little Help From Our Friends: Collector's Edition_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 30 13:33:40 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:33:40 EDT Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 30 Nov 99 at 11:25, Marshall Wood wrote: > On Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:45:43 Paul Mather wrote: > >NP: Gov't Mule, _Live...With a Little Help From Our Friends: Collector's Edition_ > > Huh, "Collector's Edition"? What's that got that my plain old vanilla edition doesn't have? > About 2 more hours of music! It's the entire evening's show, not the distillation on the regular 2-cd set... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 30 14:07:14 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:07:14 EDT Subject: OFF: Censorship hits home In-Reply-To: <38442612.B7C4E999@petronet.net> Message-ID: On 30 Nov 99 at 13:31, Tom Clark wrote: > Porno Illegal in Canada? ....must be if it's imported. Instead, though you > can always go to the neighborhood tittie joint and watch two completely > naked women on stage touch one another and show you their > innards....Nationalistic pornography, must be...hmmmm... > I was referring to hardcore porno, and I'm pretty sure it's illegal in Canada, Toronto's legendary 'gentlemen's clubs' notwistanding... theo From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE Tue Nov 30 15:24:39 1999 From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:24:39 +0100 Subject: Steve Swindells at mpreal.com Message-ID: Hello everybody, for anyone who's interested, you can download Steve Swindells' latest song (called Y2K) under www.mpreal.com. You can find it in the "Pop" section (it's currently not working due to a database problem, but I think it'll work soon). He also left an entry in "Mission Control's" guestbook, where he says that he hopes to join at the reunion gig. all for now D-R -- "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" Hassan I Sabbah www.d-rider.de From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Nov 30 16:04:18 1999 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 16:04:18 -0500 Subject: OFF: Censorship hits home In-Reply-To: <0.9ff7a642.25757be9@aol.com>; from Stewartbas@AOL.COM on Tue, Nov 30, 1999 at 02:13:45PM -0500 Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 30, 1999 at 02:13:45PM -0500, Bill Stewart wrote: > In a message dated 11/30/99 1:35:37 PM EST, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: > > << > But how 'bout Canada? Porno [hardcore, that is] is completely > illegal, and will be siezed at the border. Didn't some band get in > trouble over this a few years back? >> > > That wasn't PORN!! It was Ron Tree....and Dave Brock...and Kris Tait > What, you mean SD98? They were in Canada, trying to get *out*. War on Drugs ... War on Porn ... s'all the same telling-people-how-to-live crap! -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / I'm going to change it, but it's going to take some time. - Linus Torvalds, on Windows's market leadership From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Tue Nov 30 16:06:58 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:06:58 +0100 Subject: HW: S. Swindells Message-ID: >>>From spyder at dircon.co.uk Tue Nov 30 21:27:27 1999 >Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 20:27:26 GMT >To: bernhard.pospiech at home.ins.de >From: "spyder" >X-Host: 193.149.68.222 >Subject: Mailing List [......] I've got something to add to it, in fact. Together with a German producer friend Zeus B Held (whom you've probably heard of), I'm putting out an internet single called 'Y2K' under the name Swindells & Biz, on www.mpreal.com from tomorrow, 1st December. Perhaps you'd like to mention it! Steve From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Nov 30 16:12:37 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:12:37 -0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: 1. How old are you? 35 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 8!!! 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? Silver Machine ''7 in 72/73. Sonic attack assault of Warrior, HotMG from open windows next door in 75/76 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You? No - Quark, Strangeness and Charm - first HW LP bought 5: what is your favourite HW album now? HotMG, ISoS, Levitation, QSaC, PXR5 - difficult, it's easier to point out the duffers (Xenon, Space Bandits) 6: what HW album do you play the most? HotMG (because I don't have Quark on CD) From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 30 16:34:44 1999 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:34:44 +0000 Subject: OFF: Censorship hits home In-Reply-To: <38442612.B7C4E999@petronet.net> Message-ID: At 19:31 30/11/99 , Tom Clark wrote: >Porno Illegal in Canada? ....must be if it's imported. Canada (like the UK) has separate rules governing import of porn on the one hand and internal production and distribution on the other. I don't know exactly what the differences are between the two (in either country). Dave. Dave Berry, www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~daveb From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 30 16:35:50 1999 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:35:50 +0000 Subject: OFF: Censorship hits home In-Reply-To: <635E42B2AE6@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: At 17:32 30/11/99 , Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 wrote: >Actually, this has been done >in other US cities, c.f. Boston--a city which always used to pride >itself as one of the intellectual nerve centers of North America. I didn't realise porn was intended to stimulate the intellect! Dave. Dave Berry, www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~daveb From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Tue Nov 30 17:56:09 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 17:56:09 -0500 Subject: OFF: Censorship hits home In-Reply-To: <0.9ff7a642.25757be9@aol.com> Message-ID: At 02:13 PM 11/30/99 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 11/30/99 1:35:37 PM EST, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: > ><< > But how 'bout Canada? Porno [hardcore, that is] is completely > illegal, and will be siezed at the border. Didn't some band get in > trouble over this a few years back? >> > >That wasn't PORN!! It was Ron Tree....and Dave Brock...and Kris Tait heh. on first reading i thought the following : "But how 'bout Canada? Ront Tree, Dave Brock and Kris Tait are completely illegal, and will be siezed at the border. Didn't some band get in trouble over this a few years back?" (of course, we all know the answer to that question is 1910 Fruitgum Co.) >From 66 Breakout, "Night time's the right time to dig the one you dig!" Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Tue Nov 30 17:29:14 1999 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:29:14 -0000 Subject: HW/OFF:Answer me : Getting Personal with... Lemmy Message-ID: >From today's Guardian, a regular feature in which, each week, celebrities are asked the same set of questions: Answer Me Getting personal with... Lemmy Full name: Ian Fraser Kilminster Have you ever adopted a pseudonym and, if so, why? Yes, 'cos it was shorter. Have you ever lied about your age and, if so, why? No.(have lied about vertain girls' ages). How would you describe yourself in alonely hearts ad? Zany, wacky, tall, dark extremely stranger. What was the last illegal thing you did? Rode a bicycle after dark without lights in Germany . What was the last kind hearted thing you did? Shot a pussycat out of a tree. Who's the nicest person you've ever worked with? Most people are nice to me. What are the initials of the most unpleasant person you've ever worked with? ARTHUR Has a critic ever made you cry? Cry? What would you advertise without a fee? Free sex. What would you never advertise? Tampons. What wakes you up screaming at four in the morning? Women, usually, and I wish they'd stop doing it. What takes you to a 'happy place'? Death, if you belive in that kind of stuff. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Nov 30 17:38:32 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 17:38:32 -0500 Subject: OFF: Censorship hits home In-Reply-To: <0.5c21aea7.25757744@aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Bill Stewart wrote: => In a message dated 11/30/99 1:11:37 PM EST, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: => => << Apparently there's to be a "Pornfire" preceded by a torchlight parade => with drums on Calton Hill in Edinburgh this Thursday at 7pm. This is => apparently in "aid" of a Violence Against Women campaign and is being => funded by the City Council (or more accurately by us poor schmuck => taxpayers). >> => Don't pay your taxes! When the collector appears at your door--blow his/her => fuckin head off. Future generations are relying on us! Hey, don't do that! Taxes pay my salary (and I dare say that of Mike Holmes), and so who would collect my wages for me?!?! On second thoughts, yes, do it. That way, the systems at all those state-funded colleges (syr.edu, ed.ac.uk, etc.) from which a lot of the postings on this topic seem to emanate would cease to exist, and finally, maybe this tiresome thread itself might vanish from my BOC-L mailbox... >;-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Nov 30 18:03:07 1999 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:03:07 +0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: 1. How old are you? umm 40++ > 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 16 > 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? Hawkwind - the first one. 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You? sort of. I was desperate to hear more and borrowed In Search of Space from a friend of my brother and fell in love..... with Hawkwind 8-) 5: what is your favourite HW album now? In Search of Space or Space Bandits or the 25 years 4 CD set or It is the Business of the Future To Be Dangerous > 6: what HW album do you play the most? ISoS or It is the Business of the Future jill -- ====================================================================== Jill Strobridge or J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk ====================================================================== From timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Nov 30 17:54:06 1999 From: timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Tim Stephenson) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:54:06 -0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: 1. How old are you? 40 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 17 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? In Search of SpaceX 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? Yes 5: what is your favourite HW album now? Love in Space 6: what HW album do you play the most? Ambient Anarchists From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Nov 30 18:54:39 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:54:39 -0800 Subject: HW: Y2K Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:46:54 -0000, "Andy.Gilham" wrote: >News of Steve Swindells' new project... > >From: "Steve Swindells" >To: >Subject: Y2K >Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 03:32:41 -0000 > >Steve Swindells here. I played with Hawkwind 20 years ago (the Hawklords >period) and wrote 'Shot Down In The Night' for the band. It was a very >interesting period of my life - especially the unique bond that developed >between myself and Robert Calvert - he was an amazing person (bet you didn't >know that we actually got as far as rehearsals on his musical project >'Hype', in which he'd asked me to take the lead role. Then I got double >pneumonia. The project collapsed. Oh well, fate is strange). This would have been the session that produced the "Lord of the Hornets"/"Greenfly and Rose" 7" (with Simon King, Huw, and on the first track, Lemmy), right? At least Bob was able to find a good keyboard player (some guy named 'Simon', I think, who also plays fiddle) for the 'Hype' LP. >I thought you might be interested in the fact that I'm releasing a 'single' >on the net called 'Y2K', by Swindells & Biz, on www.mpreal.com. It should >be up there by Dec 1st and is available either as an MP3 download or on CD. Has anyone tried this? The ODBC queries to get to individual tracks appear to be broken, so I can't download it. Especially frightening that it's a bug painfully close to what I'm doing (or should be doing, rather) at work right now. -Doug ceres at sirius.com From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Nov 30 19:05:08 1999 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 19:05:08 EST Subject: OFF: Censorship hits home Message-ID: In a message dated 11/30/99 5:16:45 PM EST, js3619 at WIZVAX.NET writes: << (of course, we all know the answer to that question is 1910 Fruitgum Co.) >> Yummy Yummy Yummy I got love in my Tummy! Sounds Porney to me. regards, Bill 'typing with one hand' Stewart From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Tue Nov 30 19:21:44 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David Greenhalgh) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 09:21:44 +0900 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: I'll join in > >1. How old are you? > 36 > > > >2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? > 12 and a bit, first album about 14 > > >3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? > >Roadhawks. > Doremi > >4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? > Doremi was good, yes, but the one that Hooked me has to be HotMG. I remember many years later, Tommy Vance, bless his heart played Wind of Change back to Back with Hurdy Gurdy Man from Steve Hillage. The two tracks fitted together like a glove. Beautiful. I confess to nicking the idea for my programme on University Radio Nottingham. > > > >5: what is your favourite HW album now? > Hmm, not easy. Roadhawks? HotMG? There are so many good bits from so many albums, it's hard to answer this. > > > >6: what HW album do you play the most? > One I did myself. There are so many Good Bits, it's impossible to pick a single album, Space is Deep is one of my all time favourites, as is Wind of Change, D-Rider, Most of Warriors, Paranoia, Dust of Time, Steppenwolf etc.etc. Dave *********************************************************** Coming to a web-page near you soon "Deep Space Network Live in MP3." *********************************************************** From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Nov 30 19:35:22 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 00:35:22 -0000 Subject: HW Poll Message-ID: This poll raises some interesting questions: 1. how many are on the list? 2. Are those on the list representative of the active HW fanbase? 3. Geographic location? 4. Is the poll representative of those who would possibly turn out for a gig? (probably) Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU Tue Nov 30 19:52:26 1999 From: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU (Thomas Rickert) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 18:52:26 -0600 Subject: BOC Covers Message-ID: Does anyone know of any good BOC covers out there? I've heard Metallica's take on *Astronomy*, and it's ok, though not stellar (sorry, couldn't resist the pun...). I've also heard Fu Manchu's ultra heavy cover of *Godzilla*. Slowed down and fuzzed out--it's a trip! I really like it, at any rate... What do the rest of you think of these cover versions, and what others are out there (that are at least somewhat contemporary)... Thomas From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Nov 30 20:30:57 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 20:30:57 -0500 Subject: HW Poll Message-ID: Dave asked... >This poll raises some interesting questions: >1. how many are on the list? 246 That's all I can answer with any certainty. Keith H. (FAA) ObCD: Between - And the Waters Opened From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Tue Nov 30 21:11:26 1999 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:11:26 -0500 Subject: Re the Poll Message-ID: Hi Silly statistic crunching of the listers that responded: 45 responses so far Present Age? First Fan age? How long a fan? What year did you become a fan? Average 34 16 18 1981 Median 35 16 19 1980 Min 21 8 4 1971 Max 45 27 28 1995 So what do you all think about that? We are a bunch of old farts? Or are we the most loyal fan base out there? :) Mike From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Nov 30 21:21:49 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:21:49 -0500 Subject: HW Poll In-Reply-To: <199912010147.UAA26747@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Keith Henderson wrote: => Dave asked... => => >This poll raises some interesting questions: => >1. how many are on the list? => => 246 => => That's all I can answer with any certainty. But there are likely not that number of actual people on the list. I believe I am subscribed at least twice (one set to NOMAIL), so I can post from two different addresses I have... Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I don't live today; maybe tomorrow..." --- James Marshall Hendrix From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Nov 30 21:39:25 1999 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:39:25 EST Subject: Re the Poll Message-ID: In a message dated 11/30/99 9:13:23 PM EST, mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM writes: << So what do you all think about that? We are a bunch of old farts? Or are we the most loyal fan base out there? :) >> Or....we love the ACID;(...........and da porn.......and the........whatever Bill From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Tue Nov 30 22:20:14 1999 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:20:14 -0500 Subject: test Message-ID: sorry I am try to switch my subscription from the old email to the new and I need this test. please be patient. Mike PS sorry the data on the poll got messed up in the message. Hope you all could tell what was what -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lwitt1 at USWEST.NET Tue Nov 30 23:38:14 1999 From: lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:38:14 -0600 Subject: HW: cdr tree report Message-ID: Work is being done to make the cdr tree a reality. Hopefully in a few weeks we will be ready to structure a tree. It appears it will be two discs comprising some of the best songs from the reunion gigs. In the meantime, there is an mp3 of highrise(from the milton keynes show 11/10/99) available for download in my box at freediskspace.com. For your convenience I've reposted the instructions for entering my box. The highrise mp3 is in the same folder. I will post again to gather interested people's information when all is ready. At this link: http://www.freediskspace.com/Folders/107738/ You will find my folder on freediskspace. You will need to be a member if you're not already (it's free and they don't spam you). You need to create login name and pw, it takes less than a minute. Then you will get your own 25meg storage site. After you've registered then enter my folder using your login and pw, then enter my password for my shared folder,,,,which is borntogo. Again the password is borntogo. This will take you into my folder where you will see one file, btgsd9902.rm. It is a realmedia 96.7kbps stereo soundfile, it sounds quite nice. Your Realplayer will play this file, Realplayer is also free for those of you that do not have it. You can right click on the file and save it to your hard drive, or simply play it by clicking on it. The file is about 4600kb. I have tested the file by downloading it, and everything appears to work fine. Please log out of my folder when you are done, it might tie up access for other people. From imaginos at PAVILION.CO.UK Tue Nov 30 14:17:20 1999 From: imaginos at PAVILION.CO.UK (Jason Gool) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 19:17:20 +0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: <3842EACA.A042911@unibw-muenchen.de> Message-ID: > > 1. How old are you? 38 > 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 16 > 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? In Search of Space > 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? Warrior on the Edge of Time > 5. What is your favourite HW album now? Probably still Warrior but Levitation and The Xenon Codex get played a lot. > 6. what HW album do you play the most? Lately, Live Chronicles. Jas. From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Nov 30 20:12:59 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:12:59 +0000 Subject: BOC Covers Message-ID: > What do the rest of you think of these cover versions, and what others > are out there (that are at least somewhat contemporary)... > > Thomas Somebody named "Gus" -- I don't know if it's a band or just a solo performer -- has a version of Reaper that's really different. I think it's on the "Scream" soundtrack. I really loved Metallica's "Astronomy". In fact, although I've never been a Metallica fan and have never owned a single one of their albums, I'm really tempted to get that disc. They do a great job with just about all those covers. And I'm really interested to hear their "S&M" concert. -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Nov 30 20:17:45 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 01:17:45 +0000 Subject: BOC Covers Message-ID: > The Goo Goo Dolls do a version of DFtR! All punked up and thrashing. > Not exactly an improvement on the original... > > theo I've heard tell of an import EP in which Smashing Pumpkins do a couple BOC covers. Never seen or heard it, though. -- Nick