From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 1 04:52:47 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 09:52:47 GMT Subject: [ANDREW GARIBALDI: Hawkwind set] Message-ID: Just in from Andy G... ---- Start of forwarded text ---- > From andygee at dial.pipex.com Sun Feb 28 18:53:45 1999 > > HI, > I got the repackaged version of the 'Welcome To The future' 4 CD set > from DTK and apart from the front and back covers, the rest of it is the > same. > The running time of the 'Text' CD is exactly the same on both sets. So, > just to make sure, I called Dave Anderson, to whome the 'Text' ownership > belongs, and he confirmed that nothing has been done yet to restore the > missing music and that he has still not yet heard from the guys who > released the 4 CD set in a long time, worse because they owe him for > them. > So, that's that out the way. > New Spacehead CD going to the manufacturers at last this week if we can > overcome the final glitch with the artwork tomorrow, so should be out in > 2 weeks and will be well worth the wait. > Andy G. > > ---- End of forwarded text ---- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 1 06:31:29 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:31:29 GMT Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree Message-ID: Somebody asked about the PT tour. Best way is to check Steve Wilson's home page at http://www.nomansland.demon.co.uk/index.html for full details but briefly they will be touring Italy and Greece March 24-28 / UK April 8-24 / West and East Europe April 30 - May 15 Canada then USA May 22 - June 5 / France June 12 jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Mon Mar 1 07:09:41 1999 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Patrick Cordiner) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:09:41 +1000 Subject: HW/BOC: Emperors New Clothes Message-ID: ---------- > From: Jonathan Jarrett > > phew! i'm glad someone else said that, i picked up agents of fortune a > > couple of weeks ago (for 75p along w/ led zep IV and blind faith for the > > same price 8-)) and to be honest ETI was the only track on there that would > > have me scurrying back to listen again. anyways, a question: what boc stuff > > would people recommend to a fan of (all periods) hawks? > > Unquestionably 'Cultosaurus Erectus'. Then probably 'Blue Oyster > Cult' itself, given that as a Hawkwind fan you're used to appalling > production :-) Yours, > Jon Probably (having five BOC albums myself and still havent realized what all the hype is about) I would recommend all the Moorcock written stuff - `Black Blade' off Cultosaurus, `Great sun jester' off Mirrors and `Veteran of a thousand Psychic wars' off Fire of unknown origin - which isn't a bad album all things considered. `On your feet or on your knees' is arguably their best, contains good live versions of a large chunk of their career. Patrick. From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Mon Mar 1 11:46:18 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 08:46:18 -0800 Subject: BOC in San Diego Message-ID: Hi folks.. Here's my report on BOC last night at the 4th & B in San Diego, CA. There was a ho-hum opener called No Bargain which I could have easily done without though the crowd seemed to enjoy them and I saw lots of folks wearing their T-shirts (friends & relatives?). To me they were completely derivative and boring.. Uh, they reminded me of Spinal Tap hehe... Their set was mercifully short.. BOC came out.. seemed to take them awfully long to get out there and get set up while the Intro music played.. EB seemed sort of stiff and perhaps a little tired/bored... Buck was his usual smiling self... and was playing as well as I've ever seen him. This is a great venue with good sound too. The highlights were Cities, Harvest Moon and Buck's Boogie.. This Ain't the Summer of Love was fun.. I don't know if it was Allen's fill in (Al?) or what but they sounded very fresh and tight.. more so than the last few times I've seen them. It looked to me that EB was holding his guitar more than he was playing it but perhaps this is a good thing? I haven't seen the tour list but is this getting towards the end of tour? It seemed there was a lot of fooling around on stage, mostly between Al, Miranda and the drummer.. (Sorry, though he's been with them for quite some time now, I never can remember his name.. Bobbie something?) All in all it was a good time, though the set seemed short. I was surprised that they did do an encore since half the room bailed after Reaper.. But they did.. (Jailbreak? Oh please.. I never did like Thin Lizzy...) One thing I didn't like was the way they went through a big deal about asking what song to play for the encore, then played Jailbreak, making me realize that it was a all an act since the song was obviously in the set since I'd seen the previous setlists. Eric asked, "What do you want to hear? Buck said, "Here we are, arguing about what to play"... I heard all sorts of things yelled out but you can bet that no one was shouting for Jailbreak.. (Me, I was shouting for Harvester of Eyes.. :-) I don't know, the whole thing just rang false with me... Here's the set: Burnin' for You Cities on Flame ETI Harvest Moon Buck's Boogie Take Me Away Flaming Telepaths See you in Black Astronomy In Thee This ain't the Summer of Love Godzilla Reaper Encore: Jail Break Dominance & Submission From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 1 13:08:40 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:08:40 GMT Subject: HW: Stuff in Record Collector Message-ID: Saw the following items mentioned in Record Collector (for March) in case anyone wants to chase them up: Hawkwind/Pink Fairies concert poster: Finsbury Park 23/8/87 Price: 39.00 UK pounds from Adrian Goldwater, 22 Mill Ridge, Edgeware, Middlesex HA8 7PE, UK Tel: (0)181 958 8291 email: adrian at popmem.demon.co.uk Hawkwind Hot Rock Night Fest Dusseldorf 24/2/73 w/Family, Home etc. (FC Poster 90x60, rare) Price 75.00 UK pounds. from Rock Relics, Hockleys, Brook Street, Great Bardfield, nr Braintree, Essex, CM7 4RG, UK Phone: (0)1371 810874 Fax: (0)1371 811072 jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Mar 1 14:10:42 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:10:42 EST Subject: BOC in San Diego Message-ID: y'know i woulda thought that a present-day BOC would be something to cringe about, like present-day Kansas or BTO or something, but the devotion shown by you and others here has suggested otherwise... but PLEASE tell me there's some kinda room for improv in there, longer versions, etc. >>>they dont go through the exact same motions every show, right? i was given their 2nd/3rd lps years ago; think i'll have to play 'em in the car on the way to work this week...i mean, i'm more familiar w/BOC than i was/am with, say, foghat; just didnt figure them to endure like this (at least to those for whom they do)... >>>not that hawkwind ever gave the impression that they'd persist for decades... ja ne! >>>larry b From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Mon Mar 1 15:33:16 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 12:33:16 -0800 Subject: BOC in San Diego Message-ID: Uh oh.. Now I may be setting myself up for unpopularity amongst the BOC crowd here but I have to answer this one honestly.. Ok, one paragraph at a time... >y'know i woulda thought that a present-day BOC would be something to cringe >about, like present-day Kansas or BTO or something, but the devotion shown by >you and others here has suggested otherwise... No, its not quite that bad yet. At one time I feared that it was heading that way but last nights show gave me new hope to some extent. Of course, even when all three bands mentioned were in their primes, BOC was not the same sort of FM fodder that the other 2 were. Many people don't see this because of the (to me) dreaded "Big 3". "Burnin' for You", "Don't Fear the Reaper" and, worst of all, "Godzilla". These songs are not at all representative of the best of what BOC has to offer but they are what most people (casual fans) are familiar with. Unfortunately, they seem to feel obligated to play these at every show.. I usually go pee and get a fresh beer during Godzilla... The other 2 are not such bad songs, and even Godzilla has its merits but there is so much other material I'd rather hear. >but PLEASE tell me there's some kinda room for improv in there, longer >versions, etc. >>>they dont go through the exact same motions every show, >right? Hmm... they do seem to stick pretty close to a nightly setlist with some variation. I don't think they often just pull an old song out of their hats. But, unlike some other older bands I've seen, its not like just hearing the songs on a loud stereo (Pink Floyd was a classic example of that on their last tour..), they do jam them out some. Not as much as they did back in the day but still... Again, I think they cater entirely too much to Joe BOC fan who, if he didn't hear the "Big 3" would go home with a gripe. I think they are wrong and that fans would appreciate hearing more of the older, less played stuff. But the thing is, Buck is such a great guitarist that its worth the rest just to hear him bust loose a few times. And I know its beating a dead horse but IMO, they are still hindered by the absence of a certain pair of brothers... one of which (Al Bouchard), along with Sandy Pearlman, was a main creative force in the band. I have to fess up here. I mostly go see them for nostalgic reasons.. my wife and I had our first date at a BOC show.. been going since 1974.. But I would've stopped going long ago if there wasn't still something there.. and last night, they did have an intensity that has seemed to be missing for a while. >i was given their 2nd/3rd lps years ago; think i'll have to play 'em in the >car on the way to work this week...i mean, i'm more familiar w/BOC than i >was/am with, say, foghat; just didnt figure them to endure like this (at least >to those for whom they do)... That's the stuff.. and if you can, get hold of "Imaginos" which, while not exactly a true BOC album, is one of the best damn hard rock albums ever made.. Really. If any 70's band deserves to still be around, it's them... I will probably always have sort of a soft spot for them in my musical heart. They are still, to me and many others apparently, the Amazing Blue Oyster Cult! JB -----Original Message----- From: DASLUD at AOL.COM [mailto:DASLUD at AOL.COM] Sent: Monday, March 01, 1999 11:11 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: BOC in San Diego y'know i woulda thought that a present-day BOC would be something to cringe about, like present-day Kansas or BTO or something, but the devotion shown by you and others here has suggested otherwise... but PLEASE tell me there's some kinda room for improv in there, longer versions, etc. >>>they dont go through the exact same motions every show, right? i was given their 2nd/3rd lps years ago; think i'll have to play 'em in the car on the way to work this week...i mean, i'm more familiar w/BOC than i was/am with, say, foghat; just didnt figure them to endure like this (at least to those for whom they do)... >>>not that hawkwind ever gave the impression that they'd persist for decades... ja ne! >>>larry b From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Mar 1 16:00:44 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:00:44 +0000 Subject: BOC in San Diego In-Reply-To: <6D986111E966D211A65E00A0C96E961108FAA7@C2> Message-ID: In message <6D986111E966D211A65E00A0C96E961108FAA7 at C2>, Joseph Brooks writes > But >they did.. (Jailbreak? Oh please.. I never did like Thin Lizzy...) My Goodness!! -- Jon From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Mon Mar 1 20:44:25 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:44:25 -0600 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=D6C?=: Sometimes more Amazing then othertimes. Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > > y'know i woulda thought that a present-day BOC would be something to cringe > about, like present-day Kansas or BTO or something, but the devotion shown by > you and others here has suggested otherwise... It definitely is otherwise, since B?C is wholly unpopular there have been many misconceptions about them. And they are arguably even more commanding live today then they have ever been. > but PLEASE tell me there's some kinda room for improv in there, longer > versions, etc. >>>they dont go through the exact same motions every show, > right? I don't know if room for improvement is exactly how I would put it, we could talk about what songs we would like to hear over others but that's only opinions, but it does seem to me that some shows are pulled off better than others. Saw them live back in '97 at an outdoor rock fest, they started late so they had to shorten there set, the audience wasn't that responsive, they didn't seem to be having a lot fun, and the show suffered a bit for it. In '98 I saw them again in a club, it was packed, the audience was wild, everybody was singing along, Buck spent some time standing on one of the monitors leering out at the crowd, the sound was perfect, you could tell they were loving it, there was no way they could of improved that show, it was GREAT! I don't think their repetitive, not for a band, like some of other groups I'm into I really only see them once a year, have only seen the cult 3 times, so the "finger crackin'" bit Buck does during Cities really isn't old for me, if I was a roadie it would probably get a bit repetitive, but since a lot of there fans only see them a few times a year they really don't have to change a lot. Out of the three times I have caught them live there set list has changed, saw them in 96, 97, and 98, especially in 98 due to Heaven Forbid, right now seems to be one of the best times to catch a Cult show. > i was given their 2nd/3rd lps years ago; think i'll have to play 'em in the > car on the way to work this week...i mean, i'm more familiar w/BOC than i > was/am with, say, foghat; just didnt figure them to endure like this (at least > to those for whom they do)... > > >>>not that hawkwind ever gave the impression that they'd persist for > decades... > > ja ne! > >>>larry b Reading the last few posts on this mail group definitely reinforces the "different strokes for different fokes" philosophy, I personally never really developed any liking for Hawkwind myself. But one thing I'll say about both Hawk and Cult fans though, both bands seem to extract a devotion from there fans I have rarely ever seen, might not be for everybody, but that's why we have Spice Girls ;-). Laj. From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Mar 1 20:50:41 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 20:50:41 EST Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re: B=D6C: Sometimes more Amazing then othertimes.?= Message-ID: well anyway, "room for improv" as in "room for improvisation" as in "jamspace within the arrangements"..... ja ne! >>larry b From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Tue Mar 2 00:03:45 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 23:03:45 -0600 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=D6C?=: Sometimes more Amazing then othertimes. Message-ID: DASLUD at aol.com wrote: > > well anyway, "room for improv" as in "room for improvisation" as in "jamspace > within the arrangements"..... > > ja ne! > >>larry b My apologies, misinterpreted your original post, didn't mean to offend. I was commenting vaguely on the last few posts I have read regarding B?C's live shows as of late. Improvisation? Well they seem to have a certain way they play some songs live, sometimes differing substantially from the studio recording, but I guess since they do this the same way show after show it's not improvising. People have told me that Buck does change his soloing sometimes. But all in all from what I have heard they do very little improvisation, though there are some people that have seen 100+ shows that are probably better equipped to answer this question, if they care to chime in. . . Laj. From StevenTice at AOL.COM Tue Mar 2 00:20:55 1999 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 00:20:55 EST Subject: BOC in San Diego Message-ID: In a message dated 3/1/99 3:33:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET writes: << The other 2 are not such bad songs, and even Godzilla has its merits but there is so much other material I'd rather hear. >> Hmm, I always thought both Reaper and Godzilla were MUCH more interesting than Burnin', which was always a bit of a snooze....to each his own, eh? :-) SET From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Mar 2 06:29:53 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:29:53 EDT Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_B=D6C:_Sometimes_more_Amazing_then______________othertimes.?= In-Reply-To: <36DB7131.5A510A92@dlcwest.com> Message-ID: >> From: Laj Waldner > DASLUD at aol.com wrote: > > > > well anyway, "room for improv" as in "room for improvisation" as in "jamspace > > within the arrangements"..... > > > > ja ne! > > >>larry b > > My apologies, misinterpreted your original post, didn't mean to offend. > I was commenting vaguely on the last few posts I have read regarding > B?C's live shows as of late. Improvisation? Well they seem to have a > certain way they play some songs live, sometimes differing substantially > from the studio recording, but I guess since they do this the same way > show after show it's not improvising. People have told me that Buck does > change his soloing sometimes. > But all in all from what I have heard they do very little improvisation, > though there are some people that have seen 100+ shows that are probably > better equipped to answer this question, if they care to chime in. . . We have to remember that we're talking about BOC, not Little Feat or the Allman Brothers. BOC's music is somewhat orchestrated, consisting of definite set pieces. Jamming has its place, but isn't nec. appropriate for what BOC is trying to achieve onstage. Even an instrumental piece like Buck's Boogie is pretty well orchestrated--i.e. each solo is of a determined length. The only tune that might be considered a jam is [TC]tLDoM, where BD goes off for as long as he wants. BOC has pretty much kept to this pattern throughout their history. But think about it: go to a Lynyrd Skynyrd concert. Although we might think of them as jammin', good-ole boys, they play very orchestrated arrangements of their songs too! In the old days, it used to blow my mind how LS played every song just like the record--no jamming whatsoever. theo [who hasn't seen 100-plus shows, but probably has seen them 50-plus times] From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Mar 2 06:48:09 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:48:09 EDT Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_B=D6C:_Sometimes_more_Amazing_then_othertimes.?= In-Reply-To: <36DB4279.19856D82@dlcwest.com> Message-ID: > From: Laj Waldner > DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > > > > y'know i woulda thought that a present-day BOC would be something to cringe > > about, like present-day Kansas or BTO or something, but the devotion shown by > > you and others here has suggested otherwise... > > It definitely is otherwise, since B?C is wholly unpopular there have > been many misconceptions about them. And they are arguably even more > commanding live today then they have ever been. > Yes and no. EB's voice and stage presence are somewhat diminished. Albert's gone, his drums and vox and songwriting. But Bobby's more than competent. He fills Al's shoes as well as any normal human being could. Danny's a fine bassist. I'll commit heresy and say he's probably a better bass player than Joe. But then bass was never Joe's main instrument, he was filling the band's need, and would rather have played keys or guitar, I think. And of course, nobody will replace Joe's songwriting and vocals. He brought an awful lot to the group. Allen...well, he's always been an enigma. Personally, I think his keyboard work has deteriorated a bit, and he seems to want to play more guitar these days. His guitar playing has actually improved a bit, IMHO. I missed his keys on HF, and I miss them live. So, the band's headed to BTO/Kansas-land, right? No way! While there may be some shortcomings compared to the old days, Buck's guitar playing is the best it's ever been, far and away. He's become more a co-frontman with EB, and he exudes confidence these days. He's all over the guitar, and much cleaner than the old times. While many may say the set is predictable and static, it is also very professional and finely-tuned and well-crafted. Some songs may have lost a bit of their sizzle, but others are at an all-time high: Buck's Boogie, LDoM and Flaming Telepaths will tear your head right off. They are as good as rock music has ever been. Trust me, you will not be disappointed at a BOC show... > > but PLEASE tell me there's some kinda room for improv in there, longer > > versions, etc. >>>they dont go through the exact same motions every show, > > right? > Well, they pretty much do, but that's always been the way they played. BOC isn't about jamming. Not a part of their style... theo From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Tue Mar 2 08:01:52 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:01:52 -0500 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_B=D6C=3A_Sometimes_more_Amazing_then_othe?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?rtimes=2E?= Message-ID: >to the group. Allen...well, he's always been an enigma. Personally, >I think his keyboard work has deteriorated a bit, and he seems to >want to play more guitar these days. His guitar playing has actually >improved a bit, IMHO. I missed his keys on HF, and I miss them live. BOC played Toads place last year and they played Joan Crawford. Al's playing (especially the Intro) was definitely in there. >lost a bit of their sizzle, but others are at an all-time high: >Buck's Boogie, LDoM and Flaming Telepaths will tear your head right LDoM is a killer, live. >day but still... Again, I think they cater entirely too much to Joe BOC fan >who, if he didn't hear the "Big 3" would go home with a gripe. I think they Of course these three are just a mere 15 minutes of 100+ minutes of tunage. From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Mar 2 08:21:48 1999 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:21:48 +0000 Subject: HW: Brock intervew In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 13:24 28/02/99 +0000, Jon Browne wrote: >Maybe, but perhaps you could also say he's *the* most charismatic front >man the Hawks have ever had, along with Calvert, but yes. Ron did pretty well on the Alien/LiS tours, but I would agree that Nik had an edge over him, when Nik was on form. >one of the best songwriters knocking the >out odd classic like Brainstorm, Maybe. He did write good stuff, but he didn't write very much. If I had to pick one of his, I'd pick MotU over Brainstorm. >and with Dave and Lemmy, defines the >band in most peoples mind. Probably true. >Even after all this time. >The best HW shows I've ever seen were when Nik was in the band. Not for me. I've seen good ones with Nik -- I liked Stonehenge '84, for example -- but the very best were the '89-93 period. On the downside, the worst HW shows I've seen seemed largely down to Nik. I *loved* ICU, but felt that he didn't fit with HW during that period. That doesn't mean that I wouldn't go see them if he rejoined. In recent interviews he's sounded much more positive about the idea, and maybe he'd work together with the others better than he used to. Now, Simon House, on the other hand, would be a major attraction for me. >I never >came away from an ICU gig feeling less than fantastic. He may >not be the greatest musician in the world, but he's a terrific showman. Absolutely! Just as long as he fits with the band. Dave. Languages Group Manager. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From mordru at FLITE.NET Tue Mar 2 09:42:36 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:42:36 -0500 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_B=D6C:_Sometimes_more_Amazing_then______________othertimes.?= Message-ID: >BOC has pretty much kept to this pattern throughout their history. >But think about it: go to a Lynyrd Skynyrd concert. Although we >might think of them as jammin', good-ole boys, they play very >orchestrated arrangements of their songs too! In the old days, it >used to blow my mind how LS played every song just like the >record--no jamming whatsoever. Can you say "Rush"? ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Mar 2 08:55:17 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:55:17 EDT Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:______________Re:_B=D6C:_Sometimes_more_Amazing_then___________?= In-Reply-To: <199903021442.JAA09200@issfire1.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: > From: "Andrew A. Apold" > > Can you say "Rush"? Not without a gun at my head! theo From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Mar 2 10:25:42 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:25:42 EST Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re: Re:______________Re:_B=D6C:_Sometimes_more_Amazing_then___________?= Message-ID: y yo tambien, theo >>larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Mar 2 10:34:56 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 10:34:56 EST Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re: Re:_B=D6C:_Sometimes_more_Amazing_then______________othertimes.?= Message-ID: i'd think it would get depressing for them to go through the exact same motions for years...might as well be gymnasts or ice skaters or something...i mean there's no allowance for "magic moments", as opposed to 'simple execution"....theoretically that would be the difference twixt being entertained and being TRANSFIXED....lotsa folks are content w/being entertained...others hope for more... anyway you said they didnt quite go through the same motions every night, so good for them... i wasnt offended by nothin'; just noted the distinction between "room for IMPROVEMENT" and "room for IMPROVISATION", the latter being what i meant to say>>> ja ne! >>larry b From mordru at FLITE.NET Tue Mar 2 11:03:04 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:03:04 -0500 Subject: Sometimes_more_Amazing_then___________?= Message-ID: >> Can you say "Rush"? > >Theo replies: >Not without a gun at my head! Heh. Knew that would get ya. There is literally no difference between their studio and concert versions except crowd noise.... and they even went so far once as to script that (Exit Stage Left, it sounds like the crowd is singing along in perfect unison. Checking the credits, it gives thanks to some choir for their "vocal accompaniment" in that song). I love Peart's solos, but they are non-jamming also, it is beat for beat the same way every time, even over several consecutive tours... ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From mordru at FLITE.NET Tue Mar 2 11:09:15 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:09:15 -0500 Subject: Not an Amtgard Post...or the Winged Tomato Glides by Night Message-ID: >Heyooo > >Alrighty. >Andrew, sorry I didn't make Car Wars. I am interested, but I really need >to brush up on the rules. Once again I got killed. I cut in front of phil and dumped a carload of mines in front of him hidden by smoke. He rammed me, which did just enough to kill my driver. He, however, from the mines and the ram, flipped end over end four times hurdling a low building en route, and then landed in a broken heap, on his tires (he flipped exactly 360), the damage translated all the way through his roof armor. We were both dead. This about five seconds into the fight, I got back home before nine pm. If you want to meet some time and make a car, I'd be happy to help ya... >I know quals are closing in but anyone who isn't tied up with them and >wants to do something, let me know. I really need to do laundry. Might be tempted by the right game, though. I'm not going out of my to try and organize something, just call and let me know. That way maybe I can get one load done. ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 2 11:35:17 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:35:17 GMT Subject: HW: Brock intervew In-Reply-To: Dave Berry's message of Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:21:48 +0000 Message-ID: [Nik Nik] > Maybe. He did write good stuff, but he didn't write very much. If I had > to pick one of his, I'd pick MotU over Brainstorm. I'd have to pick D-Rider as his best song with Dying Seas a close second, though I'll admit the alternative lyrics MotU was pretty good. > Not for me. I've seen good ones with Nik -- I liked Stonehenge '84, for > example -- but the very best were the '89-93 period. On the downside, the > worst HW shows I've seen seemed largely down to Nik. The one where he and Dave had a fight onstage at Stonehenge being the only Hawkwind gig I ever "walked out" of. > Now, Simon House, on the other hand, would be a major attraction for me. It was great to see him again at Oxford in (mumble mumble) '93(?) > Dave. FoFP From mordru at FLITE.NET Tue Mar 2 11:46:39 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:46:39 -0500 Subject: Not an Amtgard Post...or the Winged Tomato Glides by Night Message-ID: please disregard that post. Wrong recipient. ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Tue Mar 2 11:59:52 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:59:52 -0800 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_B=D6C=3A_Sometimes_more_Amazing_then_____?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_________othertimes=2E?= Message-ID: >Well, they pretty much do, but that's always been the way they >played. BOC isn't about jamming. Not a part of their style... I've got to disagree.. They used to jam plenty when I first started seeing them in the early 70's. Give "On Your Feet or On Your Knees" a listen and tell me that ain't jamming with at least some improvisation. I suppose to discuss this we need to define the meaning of "jam".... In the world of bands, so-called "jam bands" like Phish and others, jamming seems to mean a completely free flowing, unstructured, unorchestrated, unplanned interlude.. Ok, the Dead started that, IMO (Little Feat and Allmans.. sure...) But, it didn't always mean that.. Used to just mean a long instrumental, orchestrated or not. I always thought of BOC's instrumental segments, back in the day, as jams, perhaps orchestrated within the context of the song being played but with some improv. thrown in. But back then, they were known for their long jams... it was definitely part of their "style". I'm talking about oh, 1972 thru 1978, when BOC (in my opinion) were at the height of their powers. Of course, we must keep in mind that the genre of music has a bearing as well,. Allman Bros. style of music lends itself to freestyle jamming much more readily than BOC's metal approach. And even today, I can't believe that Buck re-creates each solo note for note each time.. -----Original Message----- From: Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 [mailto:tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 3:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: B?C: Sometimes more Amazing then othertimes. >> From: Laj Waldner > DASLUD at aol.com wrote: > > > > well anyway, "room for improv" as in "room for improvisation" as in "jamspace > > within the arrangements"..... > > > > ja ne! > > >>larry b > > My apologies, misinterpreted your original post, didn't mean to offend. > I was commenting vaguely on the last few posts I have read regarding > B?C's live shows as of late. Improvisation? Well they seem to have a > certain way they play some songs live, sometimes differing substantially > from the studio recording, but I guess since they do this the same way > show after show it's not improvising. People have told me that Buck does > change his soloing sometimes. > But all in all from what I have heard they do very little improvisation, > though there are some people that have seen 100+ shows that are probably > better equipped to answer this question, if they care to chime in. . . We have to remember that we're talking about BOC, not Little Feat or the Allman Brothers. BOC's music is somewhat orchestrated, consisting of definite set pieces. Jamming has its place, but isn't nec. appropriate for what BOC is trying to achieve onstage. Even an instrumental piece like Buck's Boogie is pretty well orchestrated--i.e. each solo is of a determined length. The only tune that might be considered a jam is [TC]tLDoM, where BD goes off for as long as he wants. BOC has pretty much kept to this pattern throughout their history. But think about it: go to a Lynyrd Skynyrd concert. Although we might think of them as jammin', good-ole boys, they play very orchestrated arrangements of their songs too! In the old days, it used to blow my mind how LS played every song just like the record--no jamming whatsoever. theo [who hasn't seen 100-plus shows, but probably has seen them 50-plus times] From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Mar 2 12:11:23 1999 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:11:23 +0000 Subject: HW: Brock intervew In-Reply-To: <199903021635.QAA25270@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 16:35 02/03/99 GMT, M Holmes wrote: >[Nik Nik] > >> Maybe. He did write good stuff, but he didn't write very much. If I had >> to pick one of his, I'd pick MotU over Brainstorm. > >I'd have to pick D-Rider as his best song with Dying Seas a close >second, though I'll admit the alternative lyrics MotU was pretty good. I don't see why people like D-rider so much. I don't hate it or anything, I just don't regard it as a highlight. Kadu Flyer, on the other hand, is excellent. I agree that Dying Seas is good, and I like Children Of The Sun too, in a very hippy sort of way. Thinking about it, I guess he did do his fair share of the songwriting when he was in the band. Obviously not as many songs as Dave, but more than most of the rest of the band at the time. Dave. Languages Group Manager. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Tue Mar 2 12:17:04 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:17:04 -0800 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_Re=3A_B=D6C=3A_Sometimes_more_Amazing_the?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?n______________othertimes=2E?= Message-ID: Amen.. That's why, for me anyway, a BOC show is not as exciting as it could be.. not enough variation. Merely entertaining rather than transfixing.. no true unique moments... Oh I'll still go see them whenever they blow thru town, their music has been the soundtrack of my life... And I would point anyone not familiar with the band beyond their FM presence to a BOC show, secure in the knowledge that they will come away impressed. But it ain't what it used to be... Amazing indeed... JB -----Original Message----- From: DASLUD at AOL.COM [mailto:DASLUD at AOL.COM] Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 7:35 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re:Re: B?C: Sometimes more Amazing then othertimes. i'd think it would get depressing for them to go through the exact same motions for years...might as well be gymnasts or ice skaters or something...i mean there's no allowance for "magic moments", as opposed to 'simple execution"....theoretically that would be the difference twixt being entertained and being TRANSFIXED....lotsa folks are content w/being entertained...others hope for more... anyway you said they didnt quite go through the same motions every night, so good for them... i wasnt offended by nothin'; just noted the distinction between "room for IMPROVEMENT" and "room for IMPROVISATION", the latter being what i meant to say>>> ja ne! >>larry b From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Tue Mar 2 12:35:52 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:35:52 -0800 Subject: Off: Rush live (was: Sometimes_more_Amazing_then___________?=) Message-ID: Are you certain about this? I believed the crowd singing to "Closer to the Heart" to be genuine, the mention of "some choir" a humorous reference to the audience that night. I have seen similar audience "sing-a-longs" happen at other shows, other bands.. Usually with a song that is extremely well known by all. Aside from that, you're right. Like a 90's Pink Floyd concert, a Rush concert, while still enjoyable, is like listening to the worlds loudest radio with crowd noise thrown in. Many people actually prefer this, though I can't imagine why. They get mad when a band does a song differently because its "not like it is on the record". JB -----Original Message----- From: Andrew A. Apold [mailto:mordru at FLITE.NET] Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 8:03 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Sometimes_more_Amazing_then___________?= >> Can you say "Rush"? > >Theo replies: >Not without a gun at my head! Heh. Knew that would get ya. There is literally no difference between their studio and concert versions except crowd noise.... and they even went so far once as to script that (Exit Stage Left, it sounds like the crowd is singing along in perfect unison. Checking the credits, it gives thanks to some choir for their "vocal accompaniment" in that song). I love Peart's solos, but they are non-jamming also, it is beat for beat the same way every time, even over several consecutive tours... ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Mar 2 12:42:56 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:42:56 -0000 Subject: Not an Amtgard Post...or the Winged Tomato Glides by Night In-Reply-To: <199903021646.LAA12854@issfire1.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: > please disregard that post. Wrong recipient. It may have been tangentially on topic - Mick Farren just hacked out a volume called _Car Warriors #2: Back From Hell_, which I think is a tie-in to some game. Which brings me on to _The Deviants Have Left the Planet_, now playing... on which more later probably! :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Mar 2 12:10:42 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:10:42 EDT Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?RE:_B=D6C:_Sometimes_more_Amazing_then____________________________?= In-Reply-To: <6D986111E966D211A65E00A0C96E961108FAAA@C2> Message-ID: > From: Joseph Brooks > > I've got to disagree.. They used to jam plenty when I first started seeing > them in the early 70's. Give "On Your Feet or On Your Knees" a listen and > tell me that ain't jamming with at least some improvisation. I suppose to The guitar solos are ad-libbed, but the songs themselves are pretty much structured... > discuss this we need to define the meaning of "jam".... In the world of > bands, so-called "jam bands" like Phish and others, jamming seems to mean a > completely free flowing, unstructured, unorchestrated, unplanned interlude.. > Ok, the Dead started that, IMO (Little Feat and Allmans.. sure...) But, it > didn't always mean that.. Used to just mean a long instrumental, > orchestrated or not. I always thought of BOC's instrumental segments, back > in the day, as jams, perhaps orchestrated within the context of the song > being played but with some improv. thrown in. But back then, they were known > for their long jams... it was definitely part of their "style". I'm talking > about oh, 1972 thru 1978, when BOC (in my opinion) were at the height of > their powers. That's when I saw them the most, but again, I'd disagree on your interp. of jamming. The songs always had very definite points of departure and rejoining, as opposed to say Allmans or Govt Mule where the song can be pretty much as long as anyone in the band wants to take it... > > Of course, we must keep in mind that the genre of music has a bearing as > well,. Allman Bros. style of music lends itself to freestyle jamming much > more readily than BOC's metal approach. > > And even today, I can't believe that Buck re-creates each solo note for note > each time.. > Oh I never said that! Buck always improvs. the solos, or at least big parts of them. He might play the first part of the solo like the record, c.f. CoF, but after just a couple of measures, he's winging it. What I'm trying to get at, is that the are pretty static. BD has always imrpovised his solos, it's just that I think he's better at it nowadays. Back then, he could be pretty inconsistant, wheras now, just about everything he plays is brilliant... theo > From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 2 13:16:45 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:16:45 GMT Subject: HW: Love in Space promo Message-ID: If anyone is looking for the Promo 'Love In Space' CD on the Emergency Broadcast System label let me know. I've got a spare copy. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Mar 2 13:31:10 1999 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:31:10 +0000 Subject: HW: Love in Space promo In-Reply-To: <199903021816.SAA01521@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 18:16 02/03/99 GMT, you wrote: >If anyone is looking for the Promo 'Love In Space' CD on the Emergency >Broadcast System label let me know. I've got a spare copy. Hi Jill, What's on this? Is it the same as the normal release, only a promo version, or does it have different tracks? Dave. Languages Group Manager. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Tue Mar 2 13:50:04 1999 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 19:50:04 +0100 Subject: Not an Amtgard Post...or the Winged Tomato Glides by Night In-Reply-To: <000201be64d4$1b64fc80$603f63c3@default> Message-ID: >Which brings me on to _The Deviants Have Left the Planet_, now playing... >on which more later probably! :) > >- Andy andy give us a short review and a tracklist please. thanks andre From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Tue Mar 2 13:54:35 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 13:54:35 -0500 Subject: Not an Amtgard Post...or the Winged Tomato Glides by Night Message-ID: > give us a short review and a tracklist please. > Well, Midville was a figure 8 with a ramp in the middle - not enough straight-a-ways Daytona was sort of trapazoidal - good speed, tight turns. Worcester was an Inner City Maze (with pedestrians), what a mess. and Atlanta was kind of pear shapped with a very narrow straightaway in the back Sorry, couldn't resist to give a 'track' list. From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Mar 2 14:21:28 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:21:28 -0800 Subject: HW: Brock intervew Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Mar 1999 17:11:23 +0000, Dave Berry wrote: >At 16:35 02/03/99 GMT, M Holmes wrote: >>[Nik Nik] >> >>I'd have to pick D-Rider as his best song with Dying Seas a close >>second, though I'll admit the alternative lyrics MotU was pretty good. > >I don't see why people like D-rider so much. I don't hate it or anything, >I just don't regard it as a highlight. I used to feel that way, based on the studio version, and even the '1999 Party' version is merely pretty adequate. But when I saw "D-Rider" performed on the '94 tour (w/Helios Creed), I was thoroughly blown away by that song - it was easily a major highlight of that set. Incredible dynamics to that one, and some fantastic flute playing, too. >Kadu Flyer, on the other hand, is excellent. Yes, another favorite of mine; great keyboard work by Simon House on the studio version (I don't like the '95 tour version very much - Len Del Rio is a great synth player, but he's no Simon House when it comes to melodic keyboards) ... I didn't even know it was a Nik song until fairly recently. >I agree that Dying Seas is good, and I like Children Of The Sun >too, in a very hippy sort of way. The semi-acoustic version of "Children of the Sun" on the '97 tour w/Farflung was great - I loved hearing that, and it reminded me that I wish Dave would pull out an acoustic guitar from time to time (how about: Dave - acoustic 12-string, vocals; Jerry - synth; Ron - audio generator; Richard - tablas) for a song like "Children of the Sun" or "Mirror of Illusion" or "The Demented Man" or even the first half of "Space Is Deep" (and the rest of the band switches back to electric guitar/bass/drumkit w/sequenced synth sweeps for the second half). >Thinking about it, I guess he did do his fair share of the songwriting when >he was in the band. Obviously not as many songs as Dave, but more than >most of the rest of the band at the time. I think that Nik filled the essential "secondary songwriter" role (that's subsequently been held by Calvert, Bainbridge, Davey, and now Richards/Chadwick/Tree) for Hawkwind very well while he was in the band. -Doug ceres at sirius.com From mordru at FLITE.NET Tue Mar 2 15:04:27 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:04:27 -0500 Subject: Not an Amtgard Post...or the Winged Tomato Glides by Night Message-ID: >> give us a short review and a tracklist please. >> >Well, Midville was a figure 8 with a ramp in the middle - not enough >straight-a-ways >Daytona was sort of trapazoidal - good speed, tight turns. >Worcester was an Inner City Maze (with pedestrians), what a mess. >and Atlanta was kind of pear shapped with a very narrow straightaway in the >back > >Sorry, couldn't resist to give a 'track' list. In a desperate attempt to get it back on topic, favorite tunes for Car Wars (a game of cars shooting cars, ala Road Warrior, Interstate '76, etc.) Damnation Alley Transmaniacon MC Silver Machine Golden Age of Leather Motorway City Motorhead Stairway to the Stars ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From mordru at FLITE.NET Tue Mar 2 15:07:06 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:07:06 -0500 Subject: HW: Brock intervew Message-ID: >I think that Nik filled the essential "secondary songwriter" role (that's >subsequently been held by Calvert, Bainbridge, Davey, and now >Richards/Chadwick/Tree) for Hawkwind very well while he was in the band. I think Brock filled the "secondary songwriter" role while Calvert was in the band. ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Tue Mar 2 15:11:30 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:11:30 -0500 Subject: Not an Amtgard Post...or the Winged Tomato Glides by Night Message-ID: Lets not forget Carmageddon! Which I tend to play A Fistful of Alice ETL Club Ninja and somedays a mixture of Blizzard of Ozz & Diary of a Madman > In a desperate attempt to get it back on topic, favorite tunes > for Car Wars (a game of cars shooting cars, ala Road Warrior, > Interstate '76, etc.) > > Damnation Alley > Transmaniacon MC > Silver Machine > Golden Age of Leather > Motorway City > Motorhead > Stairway to the Stars > ============================================ > "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random > > Andrew Apold > From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Mar 2 16:13:33 1999 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Alexander Hamilton) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:13:33 +0000 Subject: OFF: DREAM BAND Message-ID: Bin gone for a few days, but here's a better late than never. Drums: Billy Cobham Guitars: Tommy Bolin / Richie Blackmore/John McLaughlin Bass: Geezer Butler Keys: Jan Hammer Vox: Gregg Allman NP Venom - Welcome To Hell Zeitgeist e-zine PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Mar 2 18:51:39 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 23:51:39 -0000 Subject: OFF: The Deviants Have Left the Planet In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990302195004.007dfdb0@casema.net> Message-ID: OK: Aztec Calendar/Gunfire in the Night/It's Alright Ma/God's Worst Nightmare/People Don't Like Reality/Love Among the Zombies/Let's Loot the Supermarket Again Like We Did Last Summer/Yellow Dog/Mick Farren has Left the Planet/Twilight of the Gods/Memphis Psychosis You probably know already whether you'll like this! "Aztec Calendar" is a super track, great spin on apocalyptic millenarianism. All the tracks are new versions, mostly live, even if they're occasionally familiar numbers, with the exception of "Let's Loot" which is from the _Screwed Up_ EP. Still haven't given it a proper listen but I'l be spinning it a lot tomorrow, no doubt,and may expand on this! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of cosmos > Sent: 02 March 1999 18:50 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: Not an Amtgard Post...or the Winged Tomato Glides by Night > > > >Which brings me on to _The Deviants Have Left the Planet_, now playing... > >on which more later probably! :) > > > >- Andy > > andy > give us a short review and a tracklist please. > > thanks > andre > From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Mar 2 19:15:09 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 19:15:09 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Deviants Message-ID: Andy said... >Aztec Calendar/Gunfire in the Night/It's Alright Ma/God's Worst >Nightmare/People Don't Like Reality/Love Among the Zombies/Let's Loot the >Supermarket Again Like We Did Last Summer/Yellow Dog/Mick Farren has Left >the Planet/Twilight of the Gods/Memphis Psychosis > >You probably know already whether you'll like this! "Aztec Calendar" is a >super track, great spin on apocalyptic millenarianism. All the tracks are >new versions, mostly live, even if they're occasionally familiar numbers, >with the exception of "Let's Loot" which is from the _Screwed Up_ EP. Hmmm...that's funny. The Screwed Up EP is the only Deviants item I own. Just couldn't pass it up for that song title. Keith H. (FAA) From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Mar 2 19:25:47 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:25:47 -0800 Subject: OFF: The Deviants Have Left the Planet Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Mar 1999 23:51:39 -0000, Andy Gilham wrote: >Aztec Calendar/Gunfire in the Night/It's Alright Ma/God's Worst >Nightmare/People Don't Like Reality/Love Among the Zombies/Let's Loot the >Supermarket Again Like We Did Last Summer/Yellow Dog/Mick Farren has Left >the Planet/Twilight of the Gods/Memphis Psychosis "Let's Loot The Supermarket" was the only song from the 'Screwed Up' EP that was inexplicably left off the last Deviants leftovers collection on Captain Trip - it's my favorite song from that 7" (which is why my band covers it ... BTW is it vaguely about cannibalism or have I learned the lyrics completely wrong?). I assume that "Memphis Psychosis" is the track that Mick did with a full band at the two Terrastock festivals? (something along the lines of "I knew I shouldn't have taken those funny pills that guy in the men's room gave me") Does it say if the track was recorded there (Providence RI or SF CA)? If so, it'll feature ex-Hawkwinder current-Bevis Fronder Ade Shaw on bass. Is there stuff from any of the shows Mick has done recently (the last 5 years or so) with Larry Wallis? thanks for the review, -Doug ceres at sirius.com From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Wed Mar 3 04:00:38 1999 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 04:00:38 EST Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re: _B=D6C:_Sometimes_more_Amazing_then______________othertimes.?= Message-ID: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET writes: > And even today, I can't believe that Buck re-creates each solo note for note each time.. ??? I can't believe it either (it's not true)... From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Mar 2 23:34:44 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 04:34:44 +0000 Subject: BOC: SIGHTING Message-ID: On the Art Bell show this morning, Art used a snippet of "Reaper" as he was coming out of commercial. My apologies to anyone who was expecting more! -- Nick From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Wed Mar 3 05:14:42 1999 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:14:42 +1100 Subject: HW: HLL Gig Message-ID: Gidday Folks, Just received this in the in-box: > Anyways I wanted to let you know that apparently Huw Lloyd Langton (maybe the > greatest HW guitarist) is doing an acoustic gig in London on 8 March - 10.30pm > at The John Bull, 590 Chiswick High Road. I saw him playing in a trio a good > 8/9 years back and he was blindin. It will be so interesting to see what he > can do on acoustic. Sorry I can't send you a plane ticket! Bummer about the plane ticket huh? Soniqu? -- PO Box 884 Paul Ward Mt Waverley http://sonique.net VIC 3149 (time permitting) Mob:0418 524744 sonique at sonique.net From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Mar 3 06:05:06 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:05:06 +0000 Subject: HW: HLL Gig Message-ID: Anyone fancy this? I work in Acton, so it's just up the road. Not a bad venue - the last act I saw there was Ivor Biggun... :-) Cheers, Rich. Soniqu? wrote: > Gidday Folks, > > Just received this in the in-box: > > > Anyways I wanted to let you know that apparently Huw Lloyd Langton (maybe the > > greatest HW guitarist) is doing an acoustic gig in London on 8 March - 10.30pm > > at The John Bull, 590 Chiswick High Road. I saw him playing in a trio a good > > 8/9 years back and he was blindin. It will be so interesting to see what he > > can do on acoustic. Sorry I can't send you a plane ticket! > > Bummer about the plane ticket huh? > > Soniqu? > -- > PO Box 884 Paul Ward > Mt Waverley http://sonique.net > VIC 3149 (time permitting) > Mob:0418 524744 sonique at sonique.net From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Wed Mar 3 06:20:54 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 05:20:54 -0600 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=D6C?=: a bit more show spice. Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > > i'd think it would get depressing for them to go through the exact same > motions for years...might as well be gymnasts or ice skaters or something...i > mean there's no allowance for "magic moments", as opposed to 'simple > execution"....theoretically that would be the difference twixt being > entertained and being TRANSFIXED....lotsa folks are content w/being > entertained...others hope for more... > > anyway you said they didnt quite go through the same motions every night, so > good for them... > > i wasnt offended by nothin'; just noted the distinction between "room for > IMPROVEMENT" and "room for IMPROVISATION", the latter being what i meant to > say>>> > > ja ne! > >>larry b I see where your coming from, frankly I've raised B?C onto such a high pedestal anything they do transfixes me :-). They do however do the most important thing, spice their live shows up with a considerable amount of energy, at their best anyway, their live sound has always differed from the studio sound, a few groups I've seen I can't say this for (Our Lady Peace for e.g.). The first time I saw B?C in '96 Buck Eric and Allen did a three guitar harmony in Red and Black for a couple of minutes, definitely rehearsed but very awe inspiring. It might be worth while putting a few of these things back into the set, maybe the Buck Eric guitar cross thing, or maybe something new, can Bobby play guitar :-)? Though Jam outs are definitely interesting, they really aren't that important for me, and they could do other things to attract interest from the none initiated. The B?C gig in Mountainside NJ '98 had a very surprising moment, for the encore they invited out the new guitarist from Anthrax to jam with them, during the tune played him and Buck exchanged licks, which would definitely be improvising, very energetic, and a very cool part of that show. A cool idea: Maybe for their encore, which has been a cover as of late, Eric and Buck could let loose, trading licks back and forth, just jam it out for fun (on only one song, at the end of the set), the way you kinda perform those basement jams with friends you haven't really played to often with before :-). But their is one thing missing from the current lineup, a relatively small but important thing to me, the Kronos symbol! If there's one thing better then seeing the Cult live, it's seeing the Cult live with a huge red Kronos hanging behind them! I would even settle for a Kronos on the front Bass drum skin. Anybody remember what they did with that anamatronic Godzilla ;-)? I guess I should emphasize though that I'm not at all disappointed with the live shows B?C has been performing as of late, just food for thought. Laj. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 3 05:02:02 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:02:02 +0000 Subject: HW : Elf and the Hawk Message-ID: ..is on my greyhound lists this morning. Anyone wants a copy in UK, tell me by Friday. CD or Vinyl ?12.50 inc. shipping inland UK. -- Jon From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Mar 3 10:11:15 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:11:15 EST Subject: Sometimes_more_Amazing_then___________?= Message-ID: as for the flailings of mr. peart, i guess one would have to assume to begin with that there was such a thing as a "good" drum solo... From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Mar 3 10:22:46 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:22:46 EST Subject: HW: Brock intervew Message-ID: turner didnt write "kadu flyer"; i believe the credit on the lp is "mandelkau/house" or something, and if i'm wrong perhaps there's something freudian about a word like 'mandelkau" coming to mind... not that hawkwind was exactly prolific in the early '70s, but there's always the possibility that turner had material back then which brock wasnt keen on playing... always thought of "dying seas" as a throwaway meself... ja ne! >>>larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Mar 3 10:24:26 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:24:26 EST Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re: RE:_Re:_B=D6C:_Sometimes_more_Amazing_then______________othertimes.?= Message-ID: there are worse soundtracks to one's lives...consider the STYX fan... From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Mar 3 10:27:17 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:27:17 EST Subject: Off: Rush live (was: Sometimes_more_Amazing_then___________?=) Message-ID: actually these days folks are more conditioned than ever to expect lp-type versions...and w/the equipment folks drag into big halls these days, it's not even necessarily a challenge... From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Mar 3 10:31:46 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:31:46 EST Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re: RE:_B=D6C:_Sometimes_more_Amazing_then____________________________?= Message-ID: in some contexts "jamming" would mean mean more of an ensemble workout; what generally comes to mind within our current subject matter does have more to do w/guitar ad-libs on top of a "structure"...which is fine w/me... ja ne! >>>larry b From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 3 09:34:41 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:34:41 EDT Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:______________RE:_Re:_B=D6C:_Sometimes_more_Amazing_then_______?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: DASLUD at AOL.COM > there are worse soundtracks to one's lives...consider the STYX fan... Or the Rxxx fan... From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 3 09:35:54 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:35:54 EDT Subject: Sometimes_more_Amazing_then___________?= In-Reply-To: <2c85db36.36dd5113@aol.com> Message-ID: > From: DASLUD at AOL.COM > as for the flailings of mr. peart, i guess one would have to assume to begin > with that there was such a thing as a "good" drum solo... Hey, how can you dare attack the of that imortal track 'Am I going Bald?' Some people sure have their nerve... theo From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Mar 3 10:58:43 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:58:43 -0500 Subject: HW: Brock intervew Message-ID: >turner didnt write "kadu flyer"; i believe the credit on the lp is >"mandelkau/house" or something, and if i'm wrong perhaps there's something >freudian about a word like 'mandelkau" coming to mind... Mandelkau *is* Turner, just as L. Steele is Moorcock, and MacManus is Brock. Right? Keith From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Mar 3 11:21:08 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:21:08 +0000 Subject: Sometimes_more_Amazing_then___________?= Message-ID: On ons 3 mar 1999 10.11 +0000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > as for the flailings of mr. peart, i guess one would have to assume to begin > with that there was such a thing as a "good" drum solo... I think there *is* (though I shan't comment on Peart). I've seen Al B. give some extremely entertaining drum solos live--though the "performance" aspect added to them considerably and I'm not sure they would translate to an audio recording. Similarly, I was awestruck watching the Kingston Wall drummer do a solo on a video tape--again, it was impressive combination of auditory and visual experience. I think it's easier to have interesting percussion solos if there are multiple performers. It's just hard for one drummer to create something on a "standard" rock kit to hold people's interest for very long. There's a limitation on the variety of sound which can be produced. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Mar 3 12:03:44 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:03:44 +0000 Subject: Sometimes_more_Amazing_then___________?= In-Reply-To: <2c85db36.36dd5113@aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Mar 1999 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > as for the flailings of mr. peart, i guess one would have to assume to begin > with that there was such a thing as a "good" drum solo... > I refer the hnourable gentleman to the work of Mr. Mitch Mitchell in 'Voodoo Chile'... Yours, Jon -- /_______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Epsilon oscillator psychotronic attenuation shift - AFFIRMATIVE!" | | ICU | \_______________________________________________________________________/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Mar 3 12:11:07 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:11:07 +0000 Subject: HW: Brock intervew In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Mar 1999 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > turner didnt write "kadu flyer"; i believe the credit on the lp is > "mandelkau/house" or something, and if i'm wrong perhaps there's something > freudian about a word like 'mandelkau" coming to mind... The credit is Mandelkau/House/Turner on Nik's 'Past or Future': howeer. strangely, the original LP claims it as Mandelkau/House/Calvert. It seems a bit much to suggest that this is the standard practice of the Hawkwind population changing credits with a new synth part, given that it's Nik... Jamie Mandelkau was a Ladbroke Grove type wheeler/dealer person, who was also involved with the Pink Fairies and indeed helped them choose their name. As for 'Dying Seas, well, I like it, throwaway or not. Classic Turner. The 'Past or Future' version is possibly better. After all 'Paranoid' was a throwaway... But Nik still hasn't written a new song since 1985, as far as I can tell. Yours, Jon P. S. I'm not giving him any credit for the one on 'The Eternal Sky', until he writes a tune I shan't be satisfied. In this regard at least. -- /_______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Epsilon oscillator psychotronic attenuation shift - AFFIRMATIVE!" | | ICU | \_______________________________________________________________________/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Mar 3 12:16:03 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:16:03 +0000 Subject: HW: Brock intervew In-Reply-To: <199903031608.LAA07243@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Mar 1999, Keith Henderson wrote: > Mandelkau *is* Turner, just as L. Steele is Moorcock, and MacManus is Brock. > Right? MacManus is Dik Mik! He only got two credits, poor lad. As for Jamie Mandelkau, see my last post. Never did understand why Moorcck called himself Steele for CYM, though, especially since he always lists it as something he contrbuted to in his list of works in the new omnibus volumes. Yours, Jon -- /_______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Epsilon oscillator psychotronic attenuation shift - AFFIRMATIVE!" | | ICU | \_______________________________________________________________________/ From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Wed Mar 3 11:27:52 1999 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 03:27:52 +1100 Subject: HW: Brock intervew In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Jonathan Jarrett > Sent: Thursday, 4 March 1999 3:16 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: HW: Brock intervew > > Never did understand why Moorcck called himself Steele for CYM, > though, especially since he always lists it as something he contrbuted to > in his list of works in the new omnibus volumes. L. Steele is Linda Steele, Mike's wife. According to Mike:- "I did the 'Masques' under the name 'L. Steele' which is Linda's name because Douglas was still taking all the money, and when we got the cheque we were astonished at how much it was, I've never had anything like as much money. It's the first time we've actually had a substantial amount of money off just two numbers. There was a concept, the idea of people wearing masks to hide their real selves but in the end there wasn't that much of it left." Hope that illuminates the matter somewhat.... - Max Wilcox From brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Mar 3 12:44:34 1999 From: brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Brian Coulthard) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:44:34 -0000 Subject: HW: Brock intervew In-Reply-To: <199903031000.FAA17185@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Hello All The two fondest memories I have of Nik were Stonehenge 84 with the Druid dancers and fire breathers and Hammersmith 83 when he was suspended from the rafters wearing bin liners and spouting steam from any orofice. Nik could turn a average concert into a memorable one I would very much like to see him again with the band. I would agree the version of D Riders on the Live Space Ritual 1994 album is definetly the bees knees. > From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Mar 3 13:05:40 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:05:40 +0000 Subject: HW: Brock intervew Message-ID: On ons 3 mar 1999 17.16 +0000 "Jonathan Jarrett" wrote: > MacManus is Dik Mik! Eh!? My understanding was "MacManus" was the name of Brock's wife/girlfriend or somesuch, and that the use of the name was one of those cunning dodges musicians use to get songwriting royalties out of the record company. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 3 12:09:38 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:09:38 EDT Subject: Sometimes_more_Amazing_then___________?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Jonathan Jarrett > > On Wed, 3 Mar 1999 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > > > as for the flailings of mr. peart, i guess one would have to assume to begin > > with that there was such a thing as a "good" drum solo... Besides, Mr. Peart has more interesting failings than his drumming anyway... > > > I refer the hnourable gentleman to the work of Mr. Mitch Mitchell > in 'Voodoo Chile'... Yours, > Jon Or Mr. Albert Bouchard in 'I Play the Drums...' But you'd hafta be there... theo From stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM Wed Mar 3 15:36:30 1999 From: stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:36:30 -0500 Subject: HW: Brock intervew Message-ID: Excellent one mail gives me a chance to post the two things I was dying to add to this thread.... > Hello All > > The two fondest memories I have of Nik were Stonehenge 84 with the Druid > dancers and fire breathers and Hammersmith 83 when he was suspended from the > rafters wearing bin liners and spouting steam from any orofice. This is interesting, someone else was comparing the various "frontmam" abilities of Nik, Bob and Ron and I was going to add that I had to give Ron an A+ for effort after seeing him suspend himself from the cieling at St Catherines in '95. Maybe this is a Hawkwind speciality I was unaware of..... > Nik could turn a average concert into a memorable one I would very much like > to see him again with the band. And of course finally a chance to gloat about seeing them all together at Strange Daze '97 - what a glorious sight and sound. Waddya mean it was 3000+ miles away......... ;-) Nik sure wasn't playing his sax out of tune at that gig ! Steve L From flossbac at NLCI.COM Wed Mar 3 17:35:04 1999 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (John Majka) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:35:04 -0500 Subject: HW: Brock intervew In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 05:16 PM 3/3/99 +0000, you wrote: >On Wed, 3 Mar 1999, Keith Henderson wrote: > >> Mandelkau *is* Turner, just as L. Steele is Moorcock, and MacManus is Brock. >> Right? > > MacManus is Dik Mik! He only got two credits, poor lad. As for >Jamie Mandelkau, see my last post. > Never did understand why Moorcck called himself Steele for CYM, >though, especially since he always lists it as something he contrbuted to >in his list of works in the new omnibus volumes. Yours, > Jon > No, quite wrong I'm afraid. Brock has repeatedly said in interviews how it was necessary for him to use a fictitious name in order to collect royalties, since those accruing to the name "Brock" were being skimmed by devious record-company types. MacManus is Dave Brock. John Majka flossbac at nlci.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Mar 3 18:35:09 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:35:09 -0800 Subject: HW: Brock intervew Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:35:04 -0500, John Majka wrote: >At 05:16 PM 3/3/99 +0000, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: >>On Wed, 3 Mar 1999, Keith Henderson wrote: >> >>> Mandelkau *is* Turner, just as L. Steele is Moorcock, and MacManus is Brock. >>> Right? For purposes of SONGWRITING CREDITS ("Kadu Flyer", "Choose Your Masques", "Silver Machine"/"7x7"), the above is true. What's complicating things is that Jamie Mandelkau (or is it Mandelkav ... see the Deviants' 'Disposable' and 'Deviants (#3)' albums?), Linda Steele and Sean MacManus are also real people (who have all been identified in other peoples' posts) who had nothing to do with the songs that Nik, Mike and Dave, respectively, used their names on the songwriting credits for. >> MacManus is Dik Mik! He only got two credits, poor lad. As for >>Jamie Mandelkau, see my last post. What about "Electronic No. 1"? ;^) >No, quite wrong I'm afraid. Brock has repeatedly said in interviews how it >was necessary for him to use a fictitious name in order to collect >royalties, since those accruing to the name "Brock" were being skimmed by >devious record-company types. MacManus is Dave Brock. Not entirely wrong; Sean MacManus is DikMik's real name (I think Jon is correct on this?), but the songwriting credited to that name is Dave Brock's. As for me, two of my favorite songwriters are Trad Arr and Anon ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From corwyn at GLOBAL2000.NET Wed Mar 3 20:07:19 1999 From: corwyn at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 20:07:19 -0500 Subject: OFF: This is not some ad Message-ID: Hey I was reading last week's economist mag and saw an article about internet radio. I am no new comer to this idea but I had not checked out www.spinner.com. You can download their player and they have a "channel" that is called progressive. I just got it up and ruuning and so far it has played Porcupine tree, Be bop deluxe and Renaissance. MAY WE HOPE they have Hawkwind in their repatoire?? Very cool Mike From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Mar 3 21:08:39 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:08:39 -0500 Subject: HW/OFF: Alien Planetscapes Message-ID: Hi Folks.. Just to follow up about the upcoming Alien Planetscapes releases. All the info about preordering is now available at: http://www.infinet.com/~jkranitz/space/aliencdr.html Help Doug out if you can... Keith H. (FAA) From john.m.gray at CWIX.COM Wed Mar 3 22:21:11 1999 From: john.m.gray at CWIX.COM (John Gray) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 19:21:11 -0800 Subject: DIKMIK's Real Name Message-ID: I heard somewhere before thatDikMiks real name was Richard Michael Davies. Does anyone know for sure? John >Not entirely wrong; Sean MacManus is DikMik's real name (I think Jon is >correct on this?), but the songwriting credited to that name is Dave Brock's. >As for me, two of my favorite songwriters are Trad Arr and Anon ... > -Doug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Mar 4 00:05:14 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 00:05:14 EST Subject: HW: Brock intervew Message-ID: O/I/C ! 10-Q ! From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Mar 4 00:03:54 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 00:03:54 EST Subject: Sometimes_more_Amazing_then___________?= Message-ID: (grin) From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Mar 4 00:13:21 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 00:13:21 EST Subject: Sometimes_more_Amazing_then___________?= Message-ID: comrade, as the possessor of dozens of live hendrix tapes, i'm not unacquainted with the (wait for it) flailings of mitch mitchell, and while he's the bawlz behind hendrix's playing, a little of his soloing goes a long way for me, which tosses him in with >>>you name 'em<<< as far as i'm concerned. which brings us around to the beginning of this exchange....life is a wheel.... ja ne! >>larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Mar 4 00:20:48 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 00:20:48 EST Subject: HW: Brock intervew Message-ID: gee i just got through thankin' that other fella for tellin me mandelkau WAS turner but i prefer your xplanation>> perhaps i coulda put it better by suggesting "dying seas" was TREATED as a throwaway on that lp...it shows up; it fades out...yeah now that you mention it it is better live too....and some of nik's better lyrics... ja ne! >>larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Mar 4 00:34:00 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 00:34:00 EST Subject: Sometimes_more_Amazing_then___________?= Message-ID: yeah i'm always xplainin this...i dont question the technical ability of mitchell etc etc ...even the dreaded peart; i just tend not to have much interest in technical ability for its own sake>>>not to mention the gross excesses of those who only PRESUME their technical ability>>> Motown's drummers were AWESOME. keith moon DIDNT play solos. ja ne! >>larry b ps = what carl's speaking of, ensemble percussion improv stuff, that's another matter entirely, and to some a SACRED matter.>>this discussion has involved the one guy/one kit school of "flailing". From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Mar 4 00:36:17 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 00:36:17 EST Subject: Sometimes_more_Amazing_then___________?= Message-ID: "flailing" as in swingin' yr. arms around a lot ...not "failing", or were you kidding? From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Mar 4 00:45:04 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 00:45:04 EST Subject: RADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIO Message-ID: AS FAR AS RADIO STUFF GOES, CONSIDER THE ATTACHED been wantin to see if i can send something like this to y'all... give it a click! online radio list ja ne! >>larry b From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Mar 4 04:36:35 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 04:36:35 EST Subject: HW: on the radio Message-ID: Well, I'm very happy to anounce that I played Hawkwind on the radio today. I mean, I _aired_ it, broadcast it, as DJ. I went to my school's radio station and proposed a "space-rock-ambient-electronic" show and I've been having regular orientations, and today I was finally allowed to use the equipment and actually do a small "program", for which I hadn't come prepared, so I checked out the station's vinyl library, took out In Search of Space, and "Only Dreaming" was heard by, hopefully, at least a few people in the greater Riverside, Ca. area, though I've heard that it's been tuned in as far as out as L.A. Can't wait 'till my regular program starts. People will be subjected weekly to loads and loads of Hawkwind, Amon Duul II, Can, Anubian Lights, etc. Chuck From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Mar 4 05:04:25 1999 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:04:25 +0000 Subject: Sometimes_more_Amazing_then___________?= In-Reply-To: <4ff00b92.36de1b48@aol.com> Message-ID: At 00:34 04/03/99 EST, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: >ps = what carl's speaking of, ensemble percussion improv stuff, that's another >matter entirely, and to some a SACRED matter.>>this discussion has involved >the one guy/one kit school of "flailing". When a lead guitarist plays a solo, does the rest of the band stop playing? Not usually. So why does the rest of the band stop during a drum solo? If they were laying down a basic rhythm, and the drummer laying cross-rhythms on top of that, you'd have a very different experience. An on-topic example is Richard Chadwick during Space Is Their (Palestine). Dave. Languages Group Manager. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Mar 4 07:48:04 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:48:04 -0000 Subject: OFF: The Deviants Have Left the Planet In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990302162547.00859100@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: > "Let's Loot The Supermarket" was the only song from the 'Screwed Up' EP > that was inexplicably left off the last Deviants leftovers collection on > Captain Trip - it's my favorite song from that 7" (which is why my band > covers it ... BTW is it vaguely about cannibalism or have I learned the > lyrics completely wrong?). Dunno, I could never make out much of the lyrics except the refrain! :) It's itself a sort-of reworking of "Let's Loot the Supermarket" off of _Disposable_. > > I assume that "Memphis Psychosis" is the track that Mick did with a full > band at the two Terrastock festivals? (something along the lines of "I > knew I shouldn't have taken those funny pills that guy in the men's room > gave me") Does it say if the track was recorded there > (Providence RI or SF > CA)? If so, it'll feature ex-Hawkwinder current-Bevis Fronder Ade Shaw on > bass. Yep, same track. "Oh shit - here comes the monolith!" And yes, it's from Terrastock in 1977, with Andy Colquhoun, Ade Shaw, and Andy Ward. (There's also versions on _The Deathray Tapes_ and _Gringo Madness_.) > > Is there stuff from any of the shows Mick has done recently (the last 5 > years or so) with Larry Wallis? Sadly not... I think one other track is a duplicate of a previously available one, "Gunfire in the Night", from _The Deathray Tapes_. Overall it's perhaps a little patchier than other recent MF product, but that's partly the nature of the beast, being a compilation from various sources. Still, the best tracks are as good as any, esp. "Aztec Calendar", worth the asking price alone. Probably not a good starting point, but then what is?!? - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Mar 4 07:50:17 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:50:17 -0000 Subject: OFF: The Deviants Have Left the Planet In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990302162547.00859100@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: > And yes, it's from Terrastock in 1977, I mean 1997 of course! :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 4 08:41:16 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:41:16 +0000 Subject: Sometimes_more_Amazing_then___________?= Message-ID: On tor 4 mar 1999 10.04 +0000 "Dave Berry" wrote: > When a lead guitarist plays a solo, does the rest of the band stop playing? > Not usually. So why does the rest of the band stop during a drum solo? > If they were laying down a basic rhythm, and the drummer laying > cross-rhythms on top of that, you'd have a very different experience. An > on-topic example is Richard Chadwick during Space Is Their (Palestine). Or Cream's take on "Crossroads" where the whole band seem to be soloing viciously over the structure :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Mar 4 09:57:12 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:57:12 EST Subject: HW: on the radio Message-ID: you go, boy! From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Thu Mar 4 10:07:33 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:07:33 -0500 Subject: BOC:Re: BOC-L Digest - 3 Mar 1999 to 4 Mar 1999 Message-ID: > > i'd think it would get depressing for them to go through the exact > same > > motions for years...might as well be gymnasts or ice skaters or > something...i > > mean there's no allowance for "magic moments", Well, BOC has been showing in their recent setlists that they're still capable of a few surprises. Songs like "Take Me Away", "Astronomy", and "ME-262" have worked their way back into setlists on ocassion. And, just a few days ago, they ripped up an impromptu version of "We Gotta Get Out of This Place"!!!! > But their is one thing missing from the current lineup, a > relatively small but important thing to me, the Kronos symbol! If > there's one thing better then seeing the Cult live, it's seeing the > Cult live with a huge red Kronos hanging behind them! I would even settle > for a Kronos on the front Bass drum skin. Yeah, they should get the old flag back (probably long gone - but I'm sure they could get someone to make a new one). > Anybody remember what they did > with that anamatronic Godzilla ;-)? Probably in mothballs in Sandy Pearlman's basement... ;-) John PS: Nice to see some BOC talk around here again... :-) John A. Swartz - The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA - jswartz at mitre.org "Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to Anger. Anger leads to Hate. Hate leads to SUFFERING." -- Yoda (Star Wars: Episode 1 - The Phantom Menace) From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Thu Mar 4 10:13:45 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:13:45 -0500 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 3 Mar 1999 to 4 Mar 1999 Message-ID: > Well, BOC has been showing in their recent setlists that they're still > capable of a few surprises. Songs like "Take Me Away", "Astronomy", and > "ME-262" have worked their way back into setlists on ocassion. And, > just a few days ago, they ripped up an impromptu version of "We Gotta > Get Out of This Place"!!!! > > Sports Rock USA - Hartford CT (or thereabouts) - the encore was Golden Age of Leather! Toads Place - New Haven CT - Take Me Away, Astronomy, ME-262, & Joan Crawford!!! unfortunately, Last Days of May was taken out. :( See you at Middle East - have to skip class for that one (shucky darn!!!) From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Mar 4 09:30:20 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:30:20 EDT Subject: BOC-L Digest - 3 Mar 1999 to 4 Mar 1999 In-Reply-To: <91B3F4CA7220D1118BA00000F83114BD021CF2B9@emss05m03.sanders.lmco.com> Message-ID: > From: "Hall, Russell J" > > > Sports Rock USA - Hartford CT (or thereabouts) - the encore was Golden Age > of Leather! > They did Golden Age at a gig a while back. Where was it, Capt. Trip's in '97? Brian, you remember that one? theo From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Thu Mar 4 10:54:12 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 07:54:12 -0800 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 3 Mar 1999 to 4 Mar 1999 Message-ID: >PS: Nice to see some BOC talk around here again... :-) You're welcome.. :-) -----Original Message----- From: John A. Swartz [mailto:jswartz at MITRE.ORG] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 7:08 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: BOC:Re: BOC-L Digest - 3 Mar 1999 to 4 Mar 1999 > > i'd think it would get depressing for them to go through the exact > same > > motions for years...might as well be gymnasts or ice skaters or > something...i > > mean there's no allowance for "magic moments", Well, BOC has been showing in their recent setlists that they're still capable of a few surprises. Songs like "Take Me Away", "Astronomy", and "ME-262" have worked their way back into setlists on ocassion. And, just a few days ago, they ripped up an impromptu version of "We Gotta Get Out of This Place"!!!! > But their is one thing missing from the current lineup, a > relatively small but important thing to me, the Kronos symbol! If > there's one thing better then seeing the Cult live, it's seeing the > Cult live with a huge red Kronos hanging behind them! I would even settle > for a Kronos on the front Bass drum skin. Yeah, they should get the old flag back (probably long gone - but I'm sure they could get someone to make a new one). > Anybody remember what they did > with that anamatronic Godzilla ;-)? Probably in mothballs in Sandy Pearlman's basement... ;-) John PS: Nice to see some BOC talk around here again... :-) John A. Swartz - The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA - jswartz at mitre.org "Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to Anger. Anger leads to Hate. Hate leads to SUFFERING." -- Yoda (Star Wars: Episode 1 - The Phantom Menace) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Mar 4 10:57:32 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:57:32 +0000 Subject: HW: Brock intervew In-Reply-To: <1294494.3129473140@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Mar 1999, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On ons 3 mar 1999 17.16 +0000 "Jonathan Jarrett" wrote: > > MacManus is Dik Mik! > > Eh!? My understanding was "MacManus" was the name of Brock's > wife/girlfriend or somesuch, and that the use of the name was > one of those cunning dodges musicians use to get songwriting > royalties out of the record company. Carl, well, no-one's actually told me it was Dik Mik, but I have read that his name's MacManus, and I supposed that the band had figured the audio generator stuff to be so vital to the song it was worth a credit. But you may well be right, though now my curiosity's piqued. Dammit, he deserved that credit... Yours, Jon ObCD: On Trial - 'Head Entrance' -- /_______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Epsilon oscillator psychotronic attenuation shift - AFFIRMATIVE!" | | ICU | \_______________________________________________________________________/ From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Thu Mar 4 11:08:50 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:08:50 -0800 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_RE=3A_B=D6C=3A_Sometimes_more_Amazing_the?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?n____________________________?= Message-ID: There ya go.. That's the basic difference between what the Grateful Dead (for example) do and what BOC does (or, what they used to do a lot more than they do now... Though now its quality over quantity) I happen to enjoy both approaches. JB -----Original Message----- From: DASLUD at AOL.COM [mailto:DASLUD at AOL.COM] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 7:32 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re:RE: B?C: Sometimes more Amazing then in some contexts "jamming" would mean mean more of an ensemble workout; what generally comes to mind within our current subject matter does have more to do w/guitar ad-libs on top of a "structure"...which is fine w/me... ja ne! >>>larry b From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Thu Mar 4 11:14:42 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:14:42 -0800 Subject: Sometimes_more_Amazing_then___________?= Message-ID: Hmmm... I'll leave this one alone.... JB -----Original Message----- From: DASLUD at AOL.COM [mailto:DASLUD at AOL.COM] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 7:11 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: Sometimes_more_Amazing_then___________?= as for the flailings of mr. peart, i guess one would have to assume to begin with that there was such a thing as a "good" drum solo... From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Mar 4 11:15:57 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:15:57 +0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 3 Mar 1999 to 4 Mar 1999 Message-ID: I vaguely remember it being played at one of the last two London shows... But then I could be making it up completely. :-( Cheers, Rich. "Ted Jackson jr. s2h2" wrote: > > From: "Hall, Russell J" > > > > > Sports Rock USA - Hartford CT (or thereabouts) - the encore was Golden Age > > of Leather! > > > They did Golden Age at a gig a while back. Where was it, Capt. > Trip's in '97? Brian, you remember that one? > > theo From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Mar 4 11:25:06 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:25:06 +0000 Subject: HW: Brock intervew In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990303153509.0085d940@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Mar 1999, Doug Pearson wrote: > For purposes of SONGWRITING CREDITS ("Kadu Flyer", "Choose Your Masques", > "Silver Machine"/"7x7"), the above is true. What's complicating things is > that Jamie Mandelkau (or is it Mandelkav ... see the Deviants' 'Disposable' > and 'Deviants (#3)' albums?), Linda Steele and Sean MacManus are also real > people (who have all been identified in other peoples' posts) who had > nothing to do with the songs that Nik, Mike and Dave, respectively, used > their names on the songwriting credits for. Still a bit confused, though that clears a lot up: if Jamie Mandelkau wasn't involved, why is he still credited on 'Past or Future', when Nik has his own name on the credits as well. The original LP lists Calvert too: what happened to that? > What about "Electronic No. 1"? ;^) Damn, I'd forgotten that one: I was thinking of 'Silver Machine' and 'Adjust Me', which is band-credited... Probably one of the ones he wasn't there for, now I've said that. > As for me, two of my favorite songwriters are Trad Arr and Anon ... "This Anon bloke's turning out some lovely stuff, but nobody seems to know who his agent is." (Flanders & Swann) Yours, Jon -- /_______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Epsilon oscillator psychotronic attenuation shift - AFFIRMATIVE!" | | ICU | \_______________________________________________________________________/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Mar 4 11:42:19 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:42:19 +0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 3 Mar 1999 to 4 Mar 1999 In-Reply-To: <36DEB1BC.EC5D23E8@geocities.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Rich Lockwood wrote: > I vaguely remember it being played at one of the last two London shows... But > then I could be making it up completely. :-( Pretty sure I'd have remembered that... Yours, Jon -- /_______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Epsilon oscillator psychotronic attenuation shift - AFFIRMATIVE!" | | ICU | \_______________________________________________________________________/ From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Mar 4 06:59:26 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:59:26 +0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 3 Mar 1999 to 4 Mar 1999 Message-ID: > They did Golden Age at a gig a while back. Where was it, Capt. > Trip's in '97? Brian, you remember that one? They did it at the Woodlands in Scranton, PA...either '97 or '98. Pretty cool. BTW, It's time to chime in with my opinion on this whole jam/improv thing: I much prefer what BOC does. I saw the Allman Brothers way back in 92 or so...In something like two hours, I recognized about five different songs. It was mostly just an endless jam...and it was THE most boring concert I've ever been to (And that includes The Busboys!). And don't get me wrong...I really dig the Allmans. -- Nick From bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Mar 4 12:32:33 1999 From: bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:32:33 PST Subject: BOC-L Digest - 3 Mar 1999 to 4 Mar 1999 Message-ID: > They did Golden Age at a gig a while back. Where was it, Capt. > Trip's in '97? Brian, you remember that one? I think they did it at Strike Zone in Binghamton. The setlist from Capt. Tripp's is in a review I wrote on the "Imaginos" Web site. I remember they did tRatB there, but I can't remember the 2nd tune they did. Brian ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Thu Mar 4 13:04:25 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 10:04:25 -0800 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 3 Mar 1999 to 4 Mar 1999 Message-ID: That's fine. Tastes differ. My wife is like that. If a band jams for more than 5 minutes without singing, she is instantly bored. Me, I love the "endless jam" if its done well and doesn't just turn into a drone or aimless noodling. If BOC did that I'd be in BOC heaven... :-) But I can still enjoy it the other way.. So long as the band isn't just "going thru the motions".. JB -----Original Message----- From: [mailto:nick at THECAMPUS.COM] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 3:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: BOC-L Digest - 3 Mar 1999 to 4 Mar 1999 > They did Golden Age at a gig a while back. Where was it, Capt. > Trip's in '97? Brian, you remember that one? They did it at the Woodlands in Scranton, PA...either '97 or '98. Pretty cool. BTW, It's time to chime in with my opinion on this whole jam/improv thing: I much prefer what BOC does. I saw the Allman Brothers way back in 92 or so...In something like two hours, I recognized about five different songs. It was mostly just an endless jam...and it was THE most boring concert I've ever been to (And that includes The Busboys!). And don't get me wrong...I really dig the Allmans. -- Nick From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Mar 4 12:07:03 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:07:03 EDT Subject: BOC Live? In-Reply-To: <19990304173234.521.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > From: Brian Halligan > > They did Golden Age at a gig a while back. Where was it, Capt. > > Trip's in '97? Brian, you remember that one? > > I think they did it at Strike Zone in Binghamton. The setlist from > Capt. Tripp's is in a review I wrote on the "Imaginos" Web site. I was at the Strike Zone gig [both of them, actually] but can't remember where they did GAoL. It wasn't the gig at Sylvan Beach, was it? I > remember they did tRatB there, but I can't remember the 2nd tune they > did. > And speaking of said Imaginos site, there's an item saying that he checked with CMC, and they're saying to expect a BOC live album this year. I predicted this when BOC signed with CMC. Makes good sense. Not a lot of up-front money needed for a live disc, nor a lot of production time. I just hope they truly do rectify some sins of omission this time: Stairway, Flaming Telepaths, Buck's Boogie? theo From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Mar 4 12:58:03 1999 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Alexander Hamilton) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:58:03 +0000 Subject: OFF: GRATUITOUS SELF PROMOTION Message-ID: There's another HW boot reviewed in the Feb 99 section of the e-zine below. And you can still blag cover art off the Bitter Wind section Zeitgeist e-zine PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 4 14:03:50 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 19:03:50 +0000 Subject: BOC: GAoL encores, etc. Message-ID: On tor 4 mar 1999 10.30 +0000 "Ted Jackson jr. s2h2" wrote: >> From: "Hall, Russell J" >> > >> Sports Rock USA - Hartford CT (or thereabouts) - the encore was Golden Age >> of Leather! >> > They did Golden Age at a gig a while back. Where was it, Capt. > Trip's in '97? Brian, you remember that one? I was at a show in '92 or '93 where they played that as an encore. Mind you, my perception of how a band ought to approach playing a gig was heavily affected by getting into contemporary music largely through the Grateful Dead as a teenager. Ever since, I've felt that not shaking up the set-list on a nightly basis and lack of on-stage improv constitute major wimping out on the part of a band :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Mar 4 14:22:34 1999 From: bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:22:34 PST Subject: BOC: BOC Live? Message-ID: >> > They did Golden Age at a gig a while back. Where was it, Capt. >> > Trip's in '97? Brian, you remember that one? >> >> I think they did it at Strike Zone in Binghamton. The setlist from >> Capt. Tripp's is in a review I wrote on the "Imaginos" Web site. > > >I was at the Strike Zone gig [both of them, actually] but can't >remember where they did GAoL. It wasn't the gig at Sylvan Beach, was >it? Could be. The only thing I remember about Sylvan Beach was that it was an incredible show. ;-) I think it was the first gig I saw with Bobby on the kit too. >And speaking of said Imaginos site, there's an item saying that he >checked with CMC, and they're saying to expect a BOC live album this >year. I predicted this when BOC signed with CMC. Makes good sense. >Not a lot of up-front money needed for a live disc, nor a lot of >production time. I just hope they truly do rectify some sins of >omission this time: Stairway, Flaming Telepaths, Buck's Boogie? And don't forget Lips In The Hills! As long as SYIB is on it, I'll buy it. That tune smokes live. Brian ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Mar 4 14:40:50 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:40:50 -0800 Subject: HW: Brock intervew Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:25:06 +0000, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > >On Wed, 3 Mar 1999, Doug Pearson wrote: >> For purposes of SONGWRITING CREDITS ("Kadu Flyer", "Choose Your Masques", >> "Silver Machine"/"7x7"), the above is true. What's complicating things is >> that Jamie Mandelkau (or is it Mandelkav ... see the Deviants' 'Disposable' >> and 'Deviants (#3)' albums?), Linda Steele and Sean MacManus are also real >> people (who have all been identified in other peoples' posts) who had >> nothing to do with the songs that Nik, Mike and Dave, respectively, used >> their names on the songwriting credits for. > > Still a bit confused, though that clears a lot up: if Jamie >Mandelkau wasn't involved, why is he still credited on 'Past or Future', >when Nik has his own name on the credits as well. The original LP lists >Calvert too: what happened to that? I would suspect that this is merely a typo ... the Cleopatra releases are notorious for that (for example, on the 'Space Ritual 94' CD, the track listing is present 3 times in the package - two of the track listings omit one of the Helios Creed songs on disc 2!). Of course, they're also notorious for being flat-out wrong (like all the Fred Reeves/Trev Thoms credits that are missing from 'Prophets of Time'), so it could be either way ... But yes, the "correct" credits for "Kadu Flyer" should read Turner/Calvert/House. -Doug ceres at sirius.com From hogard at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Mar 4 14:48:48 1999 From: hogard at HOTMAIL.COM (James A. Hogard) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:48:48 CST Subject: OFF: This is not some ad Message-ID: Michael S. Habiby wrote: >I was reading last week's economist mag and saw an article about >internet radio. I am no new comer to this idea but I had not checked >out www.spinner.com. You can download their player and they have a >"channel" that is called progressive. I just got it up and ruuning and >so far it has played Porcupine tree, Be bop deluxe and Renaissance. MAY >WE HOPE they have Hawkwind in their repatoire?? Very cool I tune in occasionally (I mostly listen to the jazz channels, though) and have heard "The Forge of Vulcan" on the Ambient thurk. hogard ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From hogard at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Mar 4 14:55:52 1999 From: hogard at HOTMAIL.COM (James A. Hogard) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:55:52 CST Subject: HW: on the radio Message-ID: Chuck Rosenberg wrote: >Well, I'm very happy to anounce that I played Hawkwind on the radio >today. [...] >Can't wait 'till my regular program starts. People will be subjected >weekly to loads and loads of Hawkwind, Amon Duul II, Can, Anubian >Lights, etc. Do you have an internet broadcast? hogard ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From sprawl at BBOARD.COM Thu Mar 4 12:15:43 1999 From: sprawl at BBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:15:43 -0500 Subject: HW: Brock intervew Message-ID: This is the way I got it, too. I read it in at least two different articles... Only, I believe it was Michael Moorcock's wife, not Brock's. >> Eh!? My understanding was "MacManus" was the name of Brock's >> wife/girlfriend or somesuch, and that the use of the name was >> one of those cunning dodges musicians use to get songwriting >> royalties out of the record company. > From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Mar 4 17:01:10 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:01:10 -0500 Subject: OFF: Daevid Allen show Message-ID: Hi Folks...Just this announcement FYI. Keith H. (FAA) Baltimore Progressive Rock Showcase Series Orion Sound Studios 2903 Whittington Ave Baltimore, Maryland Saturday April 10 1999 8PM On Saturday April 10th, Daevid Allen founding member of Soft Machine, spiritual father of Gong and it's assorted offshoots and a man who could rightly be considered the father of space rock music will appear in a special intimate solo performance (although he may possibly be joined by a special guest!) at Orion Sound Studios in Baltimore MD. Opening the show will be the ambient electronic guitar-based duo Fingerpaint. Fingerpaint's music mines the vein of ambient music pioneered by artists like Brian Eno and Cluster, while adding their own unique sound. ADMISSION: $10 at the door/All ages OTHER INFO: Call the studio at 410.646.7334 after 2pm EST. Email alevin at ProgRock.net, or point your favorite web browser to http://www.progrock.net/shows/showcase/ ======================================================================= Directions: -Take I-95 to exit 50, Caton Ave. (Just inside the south west side of the 695 beltway) -Take Caton Ave south to the third traffic light and turn left onto Washington Blvd -Go 1/4 mile up the hill to the U-Haul sign and turn right onto Inverness. -At the end of Inverness, turn left onto Whittington Ave. -Go to the end of Whittington and turn right into the parking lot at 2903 Whittington, in the Whittington Business Center. -Orion is on the right. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 4 17:19:51 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 22:19:51 +0000 Subject: OFF: We be jammin' Message-ID: On tor 4 mar 1999 11.59 +0000 "" wrote: > BTW, It's time to chime in with my opinion on this whole jam/improv > thing: > I much prefer what BOC does. I saw the Allman Brothers way back in 92 > or so...In something like two hours, I recognized about five > different songs. It was mostly just an endless jam...and it was THE > most boring concert I've ever been to (And that includes The > Busboys!). Dude, that's 24 minutes a song! Early 90s Allmans seldom took a piece to that length. I'd say most of their pieces were about 8 minutes or so, with a few heading out towards 15 and some shorter ones around 5. :) I recognize differences of approach and musical tradition. Essentially, BOC--like a classical orchestra--reproduces pre-existing compositions in concert. The chief differences between a BOC gig one night and the next will depend primarily on how "charged up" the performers are. I wouldn't expect a symphony orchestra to start jamming in the middle of a performance--I'd judge their performance and that of a band like BOC in a similar way: matters of timing and emphasis, essentially. A given piece can be performed "well" or "badly" within subjective criteria, notwithstanding slight differences in arrangement; Buck might turn in a "better" or "worse" solo on some nights, where judgement devolves on the choice of sounds rather than the quality with which they are produced. I would have to judge a band which comes from an improv- based tradition rather differently. I've seen the Allmans sit there and widdle uninspiredly, and I've seen them turn in jaw dropping jams. Here I would also distinguish between their soloing over a pattern (which the Allmans certainly do a lot of) and something more like a _jam_, where everyone is largely making it up as they go and the performers must rely on their intuition and mutual familiarity to keep it from all falling apart. Anything might happen. Personally, I find such performances *potentially* the most rewarding--they can certainly be dismal failures :) But a successful act of cooperative creation will always leave the strongest impressions on me. Finding that point of unexpected musical transcendance. This is not at all to denigrate what BOC (or the London Philharmonic) do, since I don't really view them as attempting to do the same thing. It's apples and oranges. BOC are, after all, one of my favorite bands--and I wouldn't expect them to suddenly transform into The Spacious Mind on-stage! On this theme ... I was listening to some early Led Zep recordings the other day, and thinking they presented a marvelous combination of structure and improv. They had a wide familiarity with basic patterns and song structures from blues and pop pieces, and give the impression, at least, of having been able to careen precariously from one riff/pattern/song to another and more or less be able to follow one another. They could zip from an interpretation of one of their compositions (and these certainly could evolve over time), through references to and snippets of other songs, into pretty much free-form jamming (isn't said that all the riffs on their second album came out of live jamming on "Dazed and Confused"?), and then back out to the song again. Not bad. They were helped in having a vocalist with, apparently, no fear--willing to sing the words of one song to the tune of a completely different one, and apparently just belt out whatever came to mind when necessary. And do it convincingly. Rare things in a vocalist! Enough rambling for the moment! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 4 18:26:41 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 23:26:41 +0000 Subject: BOC/tBS: BOC Live? Message-ID: On tor 4 mar 1999 13.07 +0000 "Ted Jackson jr. s2h2" wrote: > And speaking of said Imaginos site, there's an item saying that he > checked with CMC, and they're saying to expect a BOC live album this > year. I predicted this when BOC signed with CMC. Makes good sense. > Not a lot of up-front money needed for a live disc, nor a lot of > production time. I just hope they truly do rectify some sins of > omission this time: Stairway, Flaming Telepaths, Buck's Boogie? Stairway for sure. And, I would argue, "D&S", since the sound on ETL is ... pretty poor :) There had better be some live versions of the new material! I suppose the "Big Three" are pretty much inevitable ... hopefully they'll otherwise avoid stuff that's already on _Cult Classic_! But in the meantime, isn't the new Brain Surgeons double disc well over-due!? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Mar 4 21:39:58 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 02:39:58 +0000 Subject: HW: Third time lucky In-Reply-To: <199902171056.KAA17605@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Feb 1999, J Strobridge wrote: > You are absolutely right and it has become a kollectors item of some > rarity now! I managed to find one myself but while I was looking I'm > fairly sure there was someone else also in search of it so don't throw > it away if you don't like it I'm sure you will be able to get a good > trade if you offer it around. Given the difficulty I've had getting hold of the _original_ version, if the Pendragon pressing of WotEoT is a 'rarity', I for one shan't be trying to get it (though actually Hawkman Music is advertising two copies, if anyone else is)... Jon (now owning CD of Warrior at long last) -- /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | =====================================================================| | "Probability level 1 to 1. We have normality, I repeat, we have | | normality. Anything you still can't deal with is therefore your own | \_________________________ problem." ______________________________/ \_____________/ From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Thu Mar 4 20:54:30 1999 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:54:30 +1100 Subject: HW: Brock intervew In-Reply-To: <000201be6686$1e9848e0$1aa48fcc@sprawl> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of sprawl > Sent: Friday, 5 March 1999 3:16 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: HW: Brock intervew > > > This is the way I got it, too. I read it in at least two different > articles... > Only, I believe it was Michael Moorcock's wife, not Brock's. Can't have been Moorcock's wife - they were Jill Riches (who later became Jill Calvert! - now that was complicated) and now Linda Steele. - Max Wilcox From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 5 00:57:42 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 00:57:42 EST Subject: Sometimes_more_Amazing_then___________?= Message-ID: gee carl, not just "crossroads" but purt near everything! 'twas their live M.O. >>>larry From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 5 01:12:22 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 01:12:22 EST Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re: RE:_RE:_B=D6C:_Sometimes_more_Amazing_then____________________________?= Message-ID: well yeah, that has quite a bit to do with why one of 'em gets called "psychedelic" and the other has often been called "metal", however justifiably>>> i like any f*****g music i want, which has put off a few people...my "imaginary thesis" is entitled "evolution and development of the 20th century song form" ja ne! >>>larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 5 01:40:46 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 01:40:46 EST Subject: BOC-L Digest - 3 Mar 1999 to 4 Mar 1999 Message-ID: okay then , well, be warned that the hawkwind closest to my heart is SUPER- ULTRA DRONE...for that matter so is that which isnt. (in regards to your status as a theoretical hawkwind "newbie") they would slop keyboards on it and sorta 'prettify" it in the '80s but to this day, that's them. ja ne! >.larry b From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Mar 5 02:12:26 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 02:12:26 EST Subject: HW: on the radio Message-ID: In a message dated 99-03-04 20:53:58 EST, you write: << >Can't wait 'till my regular program starts. People will be subjected >weekly to loads and loads of Hawkwind, Amon Duul II, Can, Anubian >Lights, etc. Do you have an internet broadcast? hogard >> ---As a matter of fact, yes, KUCR 88.3 was listed on that web-site that DASALUD forwarded. I guess I'll let you know when my show starts then (assuming it happens, looks pretty certain). But, of course, who wants to sit at their computer to listen to music? Chuck From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Fri Mar 5 02:20:09 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 01:20:09 -0600 Subject: BOC Live? Message-ID: "Ted Jackson jr. s2h2" wrote: > > > From: Brian Halligan > > > > They did Golden Age at a gig a while back. Where was it, Capt. > > > Trip's in '97? Brian, you remember that one? > > > > I think they did it at Strike Zone in Binghamton. The setlist from > > Capt. Tripp's is in a review I wrote on the "Imaginos" Web site. > > I was at the Strike Zone gig [both of them, actually] but can't > remember where they did GAoL. It wasn't the gig at Sylvan Beach, was > it? > > I > > remember they did tRatB there, but I can't remember the 2nd tune they > > did. > > > > And speaking of said Imaginos site, there's an item saying that he > checked with CMC, and they're saying to expect a BOC live album this > year. I predicted this when BOC signed with CMC. Makes good sense. > Not a lot of up-front money needed for a live disc, nor a lot of > production time. I just hope they truly do rectify some sins of > omission this time: Stairway, Flaming Telepaths, Buck's Boogie? > > theo B?C in definite need of another live album, new line up, new album, glad to see them doing this. Would be nice this time around to record a few songs that have never been available live, they'll probably have to place DFTR on it, maybe the other two also, but I sure hope they get "creative" with the other selections. If I had to pick one song that deserved to be on that album over any other song, it would have to be Stairway, here's a song they've opened with countless times, one of thee most commanding live Cult pieces I have ever heard (the live version on Nail You Down would blow anybody away), and it seems that it has eluded selection on all three of their legit live albums (though Live '76 is relatively available, due to it's horrendous sound it doesn't count). Here's my short hope list for the new live album: 1. Stairway to the Stars *** 2. Lips in the Hills *** 3. The Vigil *** 4. Take Me Away 5. Harvest Moon 6. See You in Black 7. Live for Me 8. Damaged (this would kill live) 9. X-Ray Eyes (this too :-)) 10. Godzilla (for Danny and Bobby's solo's) Title: Ezekiel's Wheel (unless their going to use it on there next studio album). Laj. From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Mar 5 02:23:43 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 02:23:43 EST Subject: HW: Brock intervew Message-ID: In a message dated 99-03-04 14:34:40 EST, you write: << Carl, well, no-one's actually told me it was Dik Mik, but I have read that his name's MacManus, and I supposed that the band had figured the audio generator stuff to be so vital to the song it was worth a credit. But you may well be right, though now my curiosity's piqued. Dammit, he deserved that credit... Yours, Jon >> --Alrighty, let's settle this! :) If you're talking about "Kadu Flyer", then it couldn't have been DikMik as he was gone waaaay before ASAM, so he definitely doesn't play on the album. And as for "Silver Machine", that was, what I think I've seen referred to often in press and liner-notes and just from fans as well, "the first Brock/Calvert composition". So McManus was definitely Brock. --Incidentally, I think Del and DikMik SHOULD have gotten credits on such tunes as "Silver Machine", etc. "Electronic #1" was just what they always did, but w/out the rest of the group playing... :) Chuck From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Fri Mar 5 02:33:38 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 01:33:38 -0600 Subject: OFF: We be jammin' Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Not bad. They were helped in having a vocalist with, > apparently, no fear--willing to sing the words of one song > to the tune of a completely different one, and apparently > just belt out whatever came to mind when necessary. And > do it convincingly. Rare things in a vocalist! > > Enough rambling for the moment! :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic > St. John's College, University of Cambridge > mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk > http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ Cool, kinda like Gord from the Tragically Hip, when they play live, during the intro and endings of the songs he'll usually go off reciting poetry, it seems he's trying to recite as much as he possibly can before he has to start singing lyrics, it sounds great, exceptional lyrics them Hip have too :-). Laj. From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Fri Mar 5 03:27:50 1999 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 03:27:50 EST Subject: BOC: Palo Alto 3/3 Message-ID: (crosspost from AOL) --As noted, the show was taped for the C.C. Rock show on cable television; it seemed to be just two cameras with one operator. He left (what I took to be) the master shot camera alone and was getting closeups etc. with the other. I don't have cable and don't know what this show is, anybody..? I'm hoping it's a format that allows more than, uh, three songs or something...and I'm particularly hoping that Astronomy makes the cut, since it was a remarkably fine version. Wondering if they taped (or will tape others)...this show by itself was a good one for them to catch, good sound and good energy. I thought the sound was better than the Slim's S.F. show; neither was exceptionally loud but the balance seemed --In introducing "In Thee" EB said it was a song by Allen, "who'll be rejoining us soon"...maybe he's seen the on-line speculation about Allen not rejoining the band. Having Al P. on stage for BD to play off of added a different dimension to the show, and I enjoyed the shows a lot and felt lucky to catch them, but it's good news that AL will be back soon. --BD (during prolonged tuning-up before "In Thee"): "Acoustic players do this all the time...tune up for ten minutes" --DM's bass solo was the best one I've heard from him, and he had the crowd with him in a big way --When they returned for the encore they started singing (or rather, sang all of) the vocal intro to "Runaround Sue" and damn, I thought they were gonna go for it...would have been something..."Jailbreak" instead, and then that newly retooled "Red and the Black", with the guitar tradeoffs at the end between BD and AP. Actually when Allen returns I hope the band gives some thought to keeping this twist in it--rather than all three guitars just blazing away simultaneously in the final stretch. It worked in "I Am the One..." Feeling lucky to have caught both "Astronomy" and "...Last Days of May" in the same stretch of shows...and exceptional versions of both...and really hoping that videotape gets aired. From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri Mar 5 00:40:28 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 05:40:28 +0000 Subject: BOC Live? Message-ID: > B?C in definite need of another live album, new line up, new album, glad > to see them doing this. > Laj. > I hate to be a downer, but I'm a little disappointed. Heaven Forbid left me so hungry for more new material that a live album seems like a step backward at this point. Although I agree that it would be great to get Stairway, which I think is the most kick-ass opener they've ever used. I have it on a boot CD from 1983 called Rock and Roll Reapers...I think it was recorded in Pasadena, Calif. I guess it would also be nice to have some of the HF tunes on a live disc, especially See You In Black. But still, I feel like being greedy. I loved HF, and want this lineup to keep evolving and making new, vital music. -- Nick From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 5 07:24:15 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:24:15 GMT Subject: HW: Brock intervew In-Reply-To: Max Wilcox's message of Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:54:30 +1100 Message-ID: Max Wilcox writes: > Can't have been Moorcock's wife - they were Jill Riches (who later became > Jill Calvert! - now that was complicated) and now Linda Steele. Tho' Mike Moorcock used Linda Steele's lastname as a pseudonym on a track on one of the albums - if I remember correctly. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 5 07:35:27 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:35:27 +0000 Subject: HW: Bedouin in Cambridge, UK Message-ID: According to local info, Bedouin are playing the Boat Race, Cambridge, UK on Wednesday, 21 April. Any other info on upcoming UK dates? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Fri Mar 5 08:09:21 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 08:09:21 -0500 Subject: BOC: Updates Message-ID: >From Eric Bloom on AOL: 1. Allen expected back for their gig in New Mexico on March 17th. 2. Sony releasing another compilation (16 songs - presumably had some fan input from the AOL folks - but, don't expect a lot of obscure stuff) by June of this year. 3. Live King Biscuit will probably be out this fall. 4. CMC will release a new BOC disc, probably next year. John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Mar 5 07:14:13 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 08:14:13 EDT Subject: BOC: Updates In-Reply-To: <36DFD780.BA67471C@mitre.org> Message-ID: > From: "John A. Swartz" > From Eric Bloom on AOL: > > 1. Allen expected back for their gig in New Mexico on March 17th. > > 3. Live King Biscuit will probably be out this fall. > Anyone know what time period/s the live stuff will be taken from? > 4. CMC will release a new BOC disc, probably next year. This is new material, or the suggested live album? theo From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 5 09:23:47 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:23:47 EST Subject: HW: Brock intervew Message-ID: so you're saying a former wife of moorcock's would subsequently marry calvert? O-HO! i think back to reading an interview w/moorcock some years ago and thinking his comments re: calvert were kinda pissy; i was surprised>> ah aint surprised no mo, tho ja ne! >>larry b From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Mar 5 10:47:54 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 15:47:54 -0000 Subject: HW: Brock intervew In-Reply-To: <199903051224.MAA00576@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > Tho' Mike Moorcock used Linda Steele's lastname as a pseudonym on a > track on one of the albums - if I remember correctly. And that's where we came in! :) And Max - what about Hilary Bailey (who wrote most of _The Black Corridor_, uncredited) eh? :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Fri Mar 5 10:51:36 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 07:51:36 -0800 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 3 Mar 1999 to 4 Mar 1999 Message-ID: Ahh.. perhaps that is why I've never quite got the hang of them. I actually own two Hawkwind LP's but have never been able to get into them beyond listening to "Space Ritual" after ingesting certain substances back in high school. I still can't get past the feeling though that there is *something* there that I'm missing.. I'm a big Moorcock fan so perhaps I should try their "Black Sword Chronicles" (or whatever its called, forgive me Hawkophiles..). JB -----Original Message----- From: DASLUD at AOL.COM [mailto:DASLUD at AOL.COM] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 10:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: BOC-L Digest - 3 Mar 1999 to 4 Mar 1999 okay then , well, be warned that the hawkwind closest to my heart is SUPER- ULTRA DRONE...for that matter so is that which isnt. (in regards to your status as a theoretical hawkwind "newbie") they would slop keyboards on it and sorta 'prettify" it in the '80s but to this day, that's them. ja ne! >.larry b From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Fri Mar 5 09:53:24 1999 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 01:53:24 +1100 Subject: HW: Brock intervew In-Reply-To: <37ffa854.36dfe8f3@aol.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of DASLUD at AOL.COM > Sent: Saturday, 6 March 1999 12:24 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: HW: Brock intervew > > > so you're saying a former wife of moorcock's would subsequently > marry calvert? > O-HO! > i think back to reading an interview w/moorcock some years ago > and thinking > his comments re: calvert were kinda pissy; i was surprised>> > > ah aint surprised no mo, tho To add a little bit more spice to the topic - Calvert actually got involved with both of Mike's ex-wives. Furthermore, Linda (Mike's wife since the late 70s) sang on Hype as well as Jill (Mike's ex) but Bob took her off because he was jealous! Well, that's enough Hawk lovelife info for the moment. This being said, Mike still has immense respect for Calvert - but he was certainly a very troubled soul... - Max From blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Fri Mar 5 11:17:50 1999 From: blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:17:50 -0700 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 4 Mar 1999 to 5 Mar 1999 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 22:19:51 +0000 From: Carl Edlund Anderson Subject: OFF: We be jammin' On this theme ... I was listening to some early Led Zep recordings the other day, and thinking they presented a marvelous combination of structure and improv. They had a wide familiarity with basic patterns and song structures from blues and pop pieces, and give the impression, at least, of having been able to careen precariously from one riff/pattern/song to another and more or less be able to follow one another. They could zip from an interpretation of one of their compositions (and these certainly could evolve over time), through references to and snippets of other songs, into pretty much free-form jamming (isn't said that all the riffs on their second album came out of live jamming on "Dazed and Confused"?), and then back out to the song again. Not bad. They were helped in having a vocalist with, apparently, no fear--willing to sing the words of one song to the tune of a completely different one, and apparently just belt out whatever came to mind when necessary. And do it convincingly. Rare things in a vocalist! Enough rambling for the moment! :) Cheers, Carl *************************** Good point about Zeppelin. One of my favorites is Plant venturing off with the band at the Fillmore West show of 4/27/69 when Plant starts into the lyrics to "here we go 'round the mulberry bush." I would love to have seen the look on Bonham's or Page's face for that one :) However even Page/Plant's set-lists were fairly static on their last tour. But one thing about BOC or Page/Plant. I could watch either band play the same set-list every Friday night for months before I got tired of it. Just watching Buck play is worth the price of admission. And, while I love any variety in set-lists, I would just like to SEE BOC. It's been a few years since their last trip to Zion :) :). And right now I don't think there are too many clubs in Salt Lake looking to get BOC in for a show. And I would imagine a Brain Surgeons show is out too.... :( Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri Mar 5 06:45:25 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:45:25 +0000 Subject: BOC: Updates Message-ID: > 2. Sony releasing another compilation WHY?!!!!! > - but, don't expect a lot of obscure stuff) Is any BOC album track "obscure" to those of us here? > 3. Live King Biscuit will probably be out this fall. Wings of Mercury? Pretty please?! > 4. CMC will release a new BOC disc, probably next year. Is this the live one that's now being talked about? From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Fri Mar 5 12:20:47 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:20:47 -0600 Subject: BOC Live? Message-ID: "" wrote: > > > B?C in definite need of another live album, new line up, new album, glad > > to see them doing this. > > > Laj. > > > > I hate to be a downer, but I'm a little disappointed. Heaven Forbid > left me so hungry for more new material that a live album seems like > a step backward at this point. Although I agree that it would be > great to get Stairway, which I think is the most kick-ass opener > they've ever used. I have it on a boot CD from 1983 called Rock and > Roll Reapers...I think it was recorded in Pasadena, Calif. I guess it > would also be nice to have some of the HF tunes on a live disc, > especially See You In Black. But still, I feel like being greedy. I loved HF, > and want this lineup to keep evolving and making new, vital music. > > -- Nick Rock and Roll Reapers and Nail You Down where two different boots from the same source, it was recorded in Pasadena, hard to tell that Stairway from this compilation is the same as the opener from Live '76 isn't it :-). Also real cool to have Born to Rock on disk, which is getting me to wonder when that Benefit CD is due out, doesn't Buck perform a few songs from HF other than the three they currently play live? Laj. From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Mar 5 12:27:17 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:27:17 -0800 Subject: BOC: Perhaps this is FAQ Worthy Message-ID: Dear John (Oooo I love the sound of that). Discovered this in Maxim Magazine. May be FAQ worthy may not. Here goes, full text of the ad: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Spin Doctor $120 Wear the new, eye-catching Loopmaster portable CD player and people will stop you on the street and ask, "Whats Playing?" Not only is the spinning disc visible through the clear lid, but you can wear the shock proof player on a belt or around your neck. With 11 colors to choose from, you can atch your player to- your favorite band - green for Greenday, blue for Blue Oyster Cult ...and peach for Sting. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ad appears in the March 99 issue of Maxim on page 54. Easy to spot this one, a really hot picture of Rose MCGowan is the cover shot. Good to be back on the east coast again. PS - Who in their right mind took Theo's anti-Rush medication while I was gone? Don't worry Theo, I called a prescription in to your local pharmicist. L8er Ghost in the Ruins Five NP - Platytpus - When Pus Comes to Shove Shadow Gallery - Tyranny Fates Warning - Still Life (2cd) Y&T - Down for the Count (finally got this sucker. One more to go...) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Mar 5 12:48:52 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:48:52 -0500 Subject: OFF: Spooky Tooth Message-ID: Hi Folks... Well, another day...another reunion. Just continues to prove my theory that *no* classic rock band is truly gone forever. Yes, Spooky Tooth has just released a 'new' album, with four of the original five. (Gary Wright is not involved.) I'm sure most of you here aren't particularly interested, though there is a Hawkwind connection since Huwy and Luther Grosvenor played together in Widowmaker. But I've always liked them, and have a strange appreciation of Mike Harrison's voice. Strange, because I don't care much for the other raspy blues singers that he's often compared to...like Joe Cocker and Chris Farlowe. Anyway, the new album's called 'Cross Purpose' (RUF 51416-1445), and you can tell it's new from the cover photo alone...my God, these guys look old! There are a couple familiar tunes..."That was only Yesterday" has been redone (not bad...but unnecessary, really) and "Love is Real" which apparently was on the 'Supernatural Fairy Tales' album by the pre-Spooky Tooth band 'Art.' Hmmmm...I don't remember this tune, even though I've got that album. I like this version, though...one of the better tunes. I'll have to compare it to the original. There's also a remake of 'Tears Behind my Eyes' that Mike Harrison covered years ago on one of his solo albums. That version was better than this one, though the cheesy 70s organ tainted the earlier one. A handful of original tunes and a couple other covers fill out the album. It's really just a nostalgia trip though, but worth the $5 I spent on it. Oh, yeah, Blondie reunited also. To be honest, I kinda like the new single (Maria), but I've heard that the album is crap overall. Not surprised... I've always thought that Harry has an amazing voice, but the band has never done much of anything truly worthwhile. I think the problem is that they've never truly had their own 'voice.' If there's one band that's been mercilessly jacked around by their marketing gurus (seemingly without any resistance from the 'artists' themselves), it's Blondie. 'You want us to be punk? Sure, ok. ....disco? Sure, ok. ...new wave? Sure, ok.' Keith H. (FAA) P.S. I have to admit to liking "Heart of Glass"...100% disco I know, but it works for me in some unexplicable way. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 5 14:04:59 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 19:04:59 +0000 Subject: OFF: We be jammin' Message-ID: On fre 5 mar 1999 09.17 -0700 "Brad M. Lauchnor" wrote: > Good point about Zeppelin. One of my favorites is Plant > venturing off with the band at the Fillmore West show of > 4/27/69 when Plant starts into the lyrics to "here we go 'round > the mulberry bush." I would love to have seen the look on > Bonham's or Page's face for that one :) However even > Page/Plant's set-lists were fairly static on their last tour. Yeah, they've gotten lazy in their old age. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Fri Mar 5 18:11:53 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 17:11:53 -0600 Subject: [Fwd: Question] Message-ID: Doesn't look good, possible the person I talked to doesn't know what he/she was talking about, or maybe it's in the very preliminary stages, has anybody talked to the band about this? If it's not in the works as of yet, if enough people send them an inquiry they might think about it, damn I hope so. cmc.international at bmge.com Laj. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "International, CMC, CMC International" Subject: RE: Question Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:46:01 -0500 Size: 1586 URL: From ted at ALGER.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Mar 5 19:05:53 1999 From: ted at ALGER.DEMON.CO.UK (Ted Alger) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 00:05:53 +0000 Subject: BOC: [Fwd: Question] In-Reply-To: <36E064B9.5A7F23E3@dlcwest.com> Message-ID: I think the person at CMC to ask would be Ray Koobs... he was active on AOL before HF came out and seemed to really be into what was going on.... of course, as Bolle also pointed out... since the deal with CMC is really only the US distribution, I guess the guys that really should be asked would be SPV since that's BOC actually have their deal with..... >Doesn't look good, possible the person I talked to doesn't know what >he/she was talking about, or maybe it's in the very preliminary stages, >has anybody talked to the band about this? If it's not in the works as >of yet, if enough people send them an inquiry they might think about it, >damn I hope so. > >cmc.international at bmge.com > > >Laj. >Return-Path: >Delivered-To: dlcwest.com-erebus7 at dlcwest.com >Received: (qmail 30624 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 1999 21:47:54 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO bmsinsun02.us.bertelsmann.com) (208.209.205.69) > by backup.dlcwest.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 1999 21:47:54 -0000 >Received: from usbage04.bmgmusic.us.bertelsmann.com >(usbage04.bag.us.bertelsmann.com [192.168.217.5] (may be forged)) > by bmsinsun02.us.bertelsmann.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA23869 > for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:47:41 -0500 (EST) >Received: by usbage04.bag.us.bertelsmann.com with Internet Mail Service >(5.5.2232.9) > id ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:46:05 -0500 >Message-ID: >From: "International, CMC, CMC International" >To: "'Laj Waldner'" >Subject: RE: Question >Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:46:01 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) >Content-Type: text/plain >X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 > >Thats news to me > >> ---------- >> From: Laj Waldner[SMTP:erebus7 at dlcwest.com] >> Sent: Friday, March 05, 1999 3:18 AM >> To: cmc.international at bmge.com >> Subject: Question >> >> Hello, I have one question for you, I hear B?C will be releasing a live >> album on your label soon, would this be true? Thanks for your time. >> >> >> P.S. >> >> B?C is short for Blue ?yster Cult :-). >> >> >> Laj. >> From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Fri Mar 5 20:03:29 1999 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 18:03:29 -0700 Subject: OFF: Orange Goblin Message-ID: For all the Monster Magnet/Kyuss fans out there: While looking in the Orb section, I stumbled across a CD by Orange Goblin called "time travelling blues" and it had a cheesy, trippy, spacey cover, and great song titles, so I couldn't pass it up. It's sludgy, dumb stoner rock - I like it! Found some info here: http://www.tyler.demon.co.uk/riseabove/bands/goblin.html Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM Fri Mar 5 22:50:38 1999 From: johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 04:50:38 +0100 Subject: HW : New Found CD Message-ID: At 14:34 1999-02-26 +0200, you wrote: >>Question of the day. Anyone ever hear or see a French Comp. CD bootie >>called "Urban Guerilla" ? circa 1993. And yes, I would like a copy if >>anyone has one for sale. Name your price (under $1000.00) >> >>Stephan (Hawkman) > >yes, >Got one to trade; it was released in '93 by Editions Atlas, and sold with a >monthly magazine (that I don't have), so it's a kind of rare issue, more than >interesting contentII will also exchange "Space rock from London"-GENSCH 1002, >and a brand new copy of Cyclop's "California Brainstorm" with Book. > >olivier sorry if i'm replying late, but i've been down & out in the republic of china for some weeks. no hw in the stores there, but i saw a cd with "bubby holly". Urban Guerilla is yet another carbon copy of "Yuri Gagarin", which was included in some sort of magazine in France a few years ago. this has a totally different cover than any other Gagarins. I would call this a semi bootie, cause it seems to be licenced from Charly - though I'm 100% sure no money ended up at the Hawkwind side. cat# RK CD 418, (P) 1993 - though I heard of it first 1997/3. .joe ObExperience: 30000ft high, window seat, sunrise over China, tired beyond compare, the Tibet massive on the left, 1999 Party in the earphones. >/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ >mailto:olivier_boigey at technolink.org >/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > >- via BulkRate > > From sprawl at BBOARD.COM Fri Mar 5 23:17:39 1999 From: sprawl at BBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 23:17:39 -0500 Subject: HW: Brock intervew Message-ID: >Max Wilcox writes: > >> Can't have been Moorcock's wife - they were Jill Riches (who later became >> Jill Calvert! - now that was complicated) and now Linda Steele. I >Tho' Mike Moorcock used Linda Steele's lastname as a pseudonym on a >track on one of the albums - if I remember correctly. > >jill > Aahhh, It is clearer now, Thanks! You are right, I mis-remembered. ------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Mar 6 04:34:32 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 09:34:32 +0000 Subject: OFF: Orange Goblin Message-ID: On fre 5 mar 1999 18.03 -0700 "Kevin Sommers" wrote: > For all the Monster Magnet/Kyuss fans out there: > While looking in the Orb section, I stumbled across a CD by > Orange Goblin called "time travelling blues" and it had a cheesy, > trippy, spacey cover, and great song titles, so I couldn't pass > it up. It's sludgy, dumb stoner rock - I like it! > Found some info here: > http://www.tyler.demon.co.uk/riseabove/bands/goblin.html Web site courtesy of my Cantabrigian co-hort, Dave Tyler (who likes Hawkwind, of course :) Bastard gets promo CDs of all the Rise Above releases! Yup, fine band OG--I'm sure there are few others on this list who will agree. They've transformed themselves from slap-happy pub giggers to modest cult phenomenon since I first saw them, and deservedly so. Their live performances have really come a long way. Some of my friends thought they stole the show from Cathedral when opening for them in London last month. Their first album _Frequencies from Planet 10_ is IMO similarly excellent. Fun band :) They're at that difficult stage now where they really need to tread the boards and gain an wider audience, but are hampered by needing their day-jobs! If they got picked up by a major that could help them tour more widely I think they could go somewhere. Rise Above now has a US distribution deal, which might help them considerably. Cheers, Carl ObTape: Orange Goblin/Spiritual Beggars/Fu Manchu, London, Feb 98 -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Mar 6 05:04:54 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 05:04:54 EST Subject: HW : New Found CD Message-ID: In a message dated 99-03-05 22:50:56 EST, you write: << joe ObExperience: 30000ft high, window seat, sunrise over China, tired beyond compare, the Tibet massive on the left, 1999 Party in the earphones. >> ---Mmmm, would have been perfect w/"Kadu Flyer", though... :) Chuck From Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Mar 6 07:16:19 1999 From: Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK (Neil Ward) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 12:16:19 -0000 Subject: HW: Bedouin in Cambridge, UK Message-ID: > According to local info, Bedouin are playing the Boat Race, >Cambridge, UK on Wednesday, 21 April. Any other info on upcoming >UK dates? Check http://www.conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk/whats_new.html for latest Bedouin dates. They've moved around a bit recently, but are more solid now. Neil. From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Mar 6 09:42:22 1999 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Alexander Hamilton) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:42:22 +0000 Subject: OFF: LEMMY ON CHANNEL 4, UK TONIGHT Message-ID: Tonight at 9:05 Lemmy picks his Top 10 heavy metal bands on a Channel 4 documentary. I won't spoil the surprise here:-) Zeitgeist e-zine PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Mar 6 10:11:32 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 15:11:32 +0000 Subject: OFF : Caling Nick Lee.... Message-ID: Sorry for posting publicly but.... I'm on my other machine and don't have your e-mail address here. Got you request but didn't get whether you wanted CD or vinyl. -- Jon From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Mar 6 13:20:20 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 13:20:20 EST Subject: HW: on the radio Message-ID: GOOD! someone mentioned receiving that send...wasnt sure it could be done like that... From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Mar 6 13:24:31 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 13:24:31 EST Subject: HW: Brock intervew Message-ID: is there a particular reason why del/dikmik should get credit on "silver machine" as opposed to other hw songs from back then? i dunno;i'm askin' you>>> ja ne! >>larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Mar 6 14:03:35 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:03:35 EST Subject: BOC-L Digest - 3 Mar 1999 to 4 Mar 1999; ramblage Message-ID: being "adulterated", and "spacing out", were very important to the "psychedelic experience" in general, and hawkwind most particularly>>> this isnt to say there arent any number of cultural/religious anologues to this experience which dont invove "adulterants", or involve different "adulterants" but they're them, and this is this >>>taking some form of psychedelic "plunge" was practically an OBLIGATION to a counter-culture type back then >>>it's different now; so is hawkwind. musically speaking, there's quite a bit of "droning" around the world....guess it would depend on whether it's a drone you enjoy... regarding this kinda music, i prefer one chord to two a lot of the time, because two chords is like "back + forth/back + forth/etc" but one chord is , like, "driving straight ahead" (or "AUMMM...." if you prefer>>>) etc etc ja ne! >>larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Mar 6 14:08:45 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:08:45 EST Subject: HW: Brock intervew Message-ID: are you saying there's more "hawkwind lovelife info" to tell? (grin) is there GOOD DIRT??? god knows there was in my own band... >>larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Mar 6 14:20:58 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:20:58 EST Subject: OFF: Spooky Tooth Message-ID: blondie was MARKETED like crazy, but musically they pretty much did what they wanted, such as it might have been... well, maybe they were more of a corporate entity after "parallel lines"... but they were hardly any sort of rock & roll/punk/new wave standard bearers; at first they were a joke fronted by a pretty girl and they didnt mind BEING a joke... however, clem burke is a kickass drummer in his own right ja ne! >>larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Mar 6 14:28:22 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:28:22 EST Subject: OFF: LEMMY ON CHANNEL 4, UK TONIGHT Message-ID: perhaps you could go ahead and "spoil the surprise" for us yanks, then., please >.larry b From sprawl at BBOARD.COM Sat Mar 6 19:44:36 1999 From: sprawl at BBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 19:44:36 -0500 Subject: HW: on the radio Message-ID: Hey, Daslud... You would be much easier to understand if you would include at least part of the post to which you are responding in your replies. Just thought I'd point that out in case it hadn't occured. I don't feel any particular need to understand ya! ;) -----Original Message----- From: DASLUD at aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Saturday, March 06, 1999 1:39 PM Subject: Re: HW: on the radio >GOOD! someone mentioned receiving that send...wasnt sure it could be done like >that... From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sat Mar 6 20:17:17 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 20:17:17 -0500 Subject: OFF: LEMMY ON CHANNEL 4, UK TONIGHT Message-ID: >Tonight at 9:05 Lemmy picks his Top 10 heavy metal bands on a Channel 4 >documentary. I won't spoil the surprise here:-) On the subject of Lemmy, I saw in a local record shop, the mention of Motorhead on a list of soon-to-be-released albums. So is this a new studio album that's coming out shortly?? If so, what's the title, and what label is issuing it? Are they on CMC now? Keith H. (FAA) From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Mar 7 00:16:48 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 00:16:48 EST Subject: HW: on the radio<<<<----other people's excerpts Message-ID: funny you should bring that up, mr sprawl, because i dunno how to do that! excerpt quotes from others' mail, that is >>> says the comp novice, larry b From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sun Mar 7 00:53:29 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 00:53:29 EST Subject: HW: Brock intervew Message-ID: In a message dated 99-03-06 13:25:54 EST, you write: << is there a particular reason why del/dikmik should get credit on "silver machine" as opposed to other hw songs from back then? i dunno;i'm askin' you>>> >> --I'm saying, maybe they should have gotten credit on a lot of "songs", especially those that had a degree of their own improvisation. But on SM, yes, the "Woosh" is pretty prominent, and that turned out to be a big hit...but then again, don't listen to me, I'm not sure I really have a clue... I wonder...did Dave or Bob say to DikMik and Del, "okay, do this" etc? Chuck From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Sun Mar 7 04:59:51 1999 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 09:59:51 -0000 Subject: OFF: LEMMY ON CHANNEL 4, UK TONIGHT Message-ID: Subject: Re: OFF: LEMMY ON CHANNEL 4, UK TONIGHT >On the subject of Lemmy, I saw in a local record shop, the mention of >Motorhead on a list of soon-to-be-released albums. So is this a new studio >album that's coming out shortly?? If so, what's the title, and what label >is issuing it? Are they on CMC now? The New Motorhead album is a double live album. Can`t remember tha title off hand, some thing like `If It`s too loud you`re too old` or a similar type phrase. Si ----- "I`ve got 'some' answers to 'most' of your questions!" The Alice Cooper Trivia File - http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/intro.html My Tubes Page - http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/7998/ From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Mar 7 09:09:02 1999 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Alexander Hamilton) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 14:09:02 +0000 Subject: OFF: LEMMY ON CHANNEL 4, UK TONIGHT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Pop along to http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/bitter/bitterdx.html and click on the appropriate link:-) SAH NP Born To Go - Live At Strange Daze 1997 At 14:28 06/03/1999 EST, you wrote: >perhaps you could go ahead and "spoil the surprise" for us yanks, then., >please > >>.larry b > Zeitgeist e-zine PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Mar 7 09:19:01 1999 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Alexander Hamilton) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 14:19:01 +0000 Subject: OFF: MOTORHEAD - NEW ALBUM Message-ID: It's a double live album called "Everything Louder Than Everything Else" reusing the title of a live video that came out a few years ago. SAH NP Eric Burdon & The Animals - Inside Out You wrote "On the subject of Lemmy, I saw in a local record shop, the mention of Motorhead on a list of soon-to-be-released albums. So is this a new studio album that's coming out shortly?? If so, what's the title, and what label is issuing it? Are they on CMC now? Keith H. (FAA)" Zeitgeist e-zine PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Sun Mar 7 09:34:51 1999 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 16:34:51 +0200 Subject: OFF:On Trial Message-ID: Hej, 375. ON TRIAL- STENGADE 30, K?BENHAVN 3/5/99 50 Kroner This was the New Day Rising CD release party and Richard Allen from Delerium records came all the way from England and brought the new CD. A lot of people showed up for the show. The place was pretty full and the crowd was very into it, which was really great for the band as they sounded great... Anyway, I showed up early and met up with Magnus's friend, Morten. Slowly, all the people I knew started to trickle in: Christian (former guitar player in Narnia, mantric muse), Magnus, Michael, Rick Gelling, and the guys in On Trial and Blind Man Buff. I had nice chats with the band in the dressing room and exchanged the first On Trial 7" and lp for some Delerium CD's with Richard Allen. Everyone was getting really stoned in the dressing room, it was too smokey for me. Not that the club was any less smokey.. ugh... Something you have to live with if you like live music in denmark, eveyone smokes.. The band came on about 11:15 and started with slowly with Indict me and then picked up the pace with Do you see Her and Pot of Gold and 5 years ahead of my Time by the Third Bardo. The sound was excellent and Sebastian did a great job with the light show. The spinning turntables looked really great! Sleeper was next by Flashin'ghast and Long Time Gone. The band was really heavy during this period. After they ripped up Cast it aside, they played a series of spacey numbers, Human Twin off the 70 kilometers of Underwater Nothingness Katpain CD. This was the only older song they played. Blood Butterfly was next and sounded excellent. This is a song where they should really space it out and jam but they did not do that on any songs except for Slip inside this House, which was the highlight of the show at 17 minutes long! Awesome.. It is too bad they feel they have to play it safe now and can't do that more often, as some of the songs are perfect for that type of jamming. Oh well.. that was the end of the normal set. The band would come back out and do a series of cover songs. They started with Signed DC by LOVE. They do a very differenet version from Bevis Frond. This was followed by a ripping version of Psychotic Reaction. They left the stage for real this time and I did not think they would come back but they did and finished off with a killer version of Action by the MC5! I think this caught people by suprise as I don't think they have played this song ever as On Trial. I think the side project that Morten, Henrik and Guf have they play it but I have missed them both times that I have heard they were playing.. Anyway, it was a great great show about 77 minutes long. Excellent show.. I just wish they would space out and jam a bit more. Set List: Indict Me, Do you see her?. Pot of Gold, 5 years ahead of my Time, Sleeper, Flashin'ghast, Long Time Gone, Cast it aside, Human Twin, Blood Butterfly, Slip inside this HOuse Encores: Signed DC, Psychotic Reaction, Action P.S. Anyone have the set list for the Darxtar show in Stockholm 8-20-97? scott ObMD- Dark Sun- jonkoping 8/98 R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Department of Developmental Biology Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 37 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM Sun Mar 7 15:16:33 1999 From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (BL Young) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:16:33 -0800 Subject: HW: Church of Hawkwind cd at ebay. Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=75086858 I'm not the seller, but I saw that somebody has a copy of Church of Hawkwind for auction at ebay. Click on the link above if you're interested. Also saw a copy of Levitation around the same spot in the listings. Maybe somebody will still need these. Bryan -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Young CANADA blyoung AT bigfoot DOT com ----------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/Area51/7118 SF Reading Club http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 Hawkwind http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/6878 IFHL-FLA ----------------------------------------------------------- "20 minutes goes by pretty fast when you're on a breakaway" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Mar 7 17:24:17 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 17:24:17 EST Subject: HW: on the radio ////you're the first to know! Message-ID: In a message dated 3/6/99 7:56:13 PM, sprawl at BBOARD.COM writes: <> thank you sirrah! mere moments ago i stumbled upon the means by which the above is done! i shant confuse my comrades any further. in that particular manner, anyway <<<--- ja ne! larry b From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sun Mar 7 17:42:23 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 17:42:23 -0500 Subject: OFF: Man tour Message-ID: Hi Folks... Just a few tour dates for Man on the continent, plus London. As always, check the venue before travelling. Info from... http://www.ringsoft.demon.co.uk/man/index.htm Keith H. (FAA) 11 March 99, Subway, Karlsruhe, Germany 13 March 99, Ox Zofingen, Switzerland 18 March 99, Pfefferberg, Berlin, Germany 19 March 99, Plunschli, Flensberg, Germany 20 March 99, Bullen Tempel, Rendsburg, Germany 21 March 99, Cadillac, Oldenburg, Germany 23 March 99, Eddy's Pinte, Rheine, Germany 24 March 99, Franz, Wetzlar, Germany 25 March 99, Spirit of 66, Verviers, Belgium 26 March 99, Eberthard, Oberhausen, Germany 27 March 99, Harmonie, Bonn, Germany 31 March 99, Sinkkasten, Frankfurt, Germany 1 April 99, Elfenbein, Bielefeld, Germany 2 April 99, Venue tbc, Mainz, Germany 3 April 99, Rex, Bensheim, Germany 10 April 99, The Mean Fiddler, London From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Sun Mar 7 17:56:41 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Gekke Henkie) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 23:56:41 +0100 Subject: HW: German Space Party 1999 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Any Dutch people going? Maybe we can organise a bus-tour of some kind... --BArt "It's in your head" | Bart Brugmans | tel: 0314 378946 | werk: 030 2316833 (ma,di,do en op even weken ook vrij) | web: http://www.bundersbos.demon.nl | email: bart at bundersbos.demon.nl From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sun Mar 7 18:18:51 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 18:18:51 -0500 Subject: OFF: NWOBHM Dark Star Message-ID: Hi Folks... Awhile back there was a discussion about various Dark Star's of different eras, different styles, and different spellings. One of which was an early 80's NWOBHM variety that put out two albums, one self-titled, and one called 'Real to Reel' or something. The first featured the single "Lady of Mars." It looks like these were never reissued on CD, and the LP's are hard to come by and rather steep in price. Does anyone have their self-titled album? I'd like to hear it, as I'm trying to put together a short article distinguishing all of these various bands. If anyone who has it could tape it for me, I'd really appreciate it. And I'd send you a CD or something in return. Keith H. (FAA) Henderson.120 at osu.edu ObCD: Farflung - The Belief Module (Bad Acid) From hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET Sun Mar 7 22:03:26 1999 From: hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET (D Witt) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 21:03:26 -0600 Subject: HW:misc Message-ID: I picked up Wir sind Kinder der Revolte Vol. I tonight, it has HW "Love in Space" on it. Other notable artists are Guru Guru, Gong, Faust, MAN. I believe all the tracks were recorded at the Herzberg Festival 95-97. It's probably been mentioned before, but it's pretty good stuff. The label is Rhon Records. Helios Creed has been booked to play the 7th Street Entry in Minneapolis. I don't know what date yet, but a person I know does the booking and it appears to be confirmed. Thus I would assume Helios will soon be on tour. Bob posted a while back about Nikki Sudden and the Jacobites, they are playing here next week and a friend of mine wants me to tape the show. Does anybody know what the band's stand on taping is? From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Sun Mar 7 22:25:04 1999 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 22:25:04 EST Subject: HW:misc Message-ID: In a message dated 3/7/99 10:03:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET writes: > > Bob posted a while back about Nikki Sudden and the Jacobites, they are > playing here next week and a friend of mine wants me to tape the show. > Does anybody know what the band's stand on taping is? > I don't think they mind, Nikki Sudden seems fairly relaxed on the subject, I think he appreciates if you send him a copy though. Actually, I wouldn;t mind a copy if they don't play the east coast. Bob http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Mon Mar 8 00:26:25 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 23:26:25 -0600 Subject: CD Hunt Message-ID: Is there any one out there that can find me one or more copies of the "Urban Guerilla" Comp. from France? How about a White Zone with a Black/White cover, not the standard Black/Silver cover. How about anything on my Wanted Page? How about an "Orgasmatron" boot How about a "Reading Festival" boot How about a "Sonic Assassins" boot Will make it WELL worth your while.....no I'm not gonna come over and clean your house, but I might wash your car.....as long as you leave a "present" in the ash-tray ;))) Thanks Folks, Hawkman. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Sun Mar 7 23:34:30 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 04:34:30 +0000 Subject: OFF: MOTORHEAD - NEW ALBUM Message-ID: > It's a double live album called "Everything Louder Than Everything Else" > reusing the title of a live video that came out a few years ago. > > SAH Actually, it's a takeoff on that title: "Everything Louder than EveryONE Else", and yes, it's on CMC, although you wouldn't know it from the label's website...it comes out later this month (I think) and they're doing absolutely shit to promote it. -- Nick From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Mon Mar 8 04:40:08 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:40:08 +0000 Subject: Huw Lloyd Langton - Tonight Message-ID: Surprised no-one replied to this - is anyone from the list likely to be at The John Bull, Chiswick, tonight? (If anyone is, the easiest way to find it is to get a tube to Gunnersbury (District Line, Richmond branch), out of the station, and it's just about opposite, the other side of Chicwick High Road.) Cheers, Rich. Did you hear about the mathematician who got his calculator stuck up his arse? He worked it out with a pencil. From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Mon Mar 8 05:51:35 1999 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 21:51:35 +1100 Subject: OFF: LEMMY ON CHANNEL 4, UK TONIGHT Message-ID: On 6 Mar 99, at 20:17, Keith Henderson wrote: > On the subject of Lemmy, I saw in a local record shop, the mention of > Motorhead on a list of soon-to-be-released albums. So is this a new > studio album that's coming out shortly?? If so, what's the title, and > what label is issuing it? Are they on CMC now? Don't know if this is what you saw, but there's a Live CD coming out soon on Steamhammer called "Everything Louder than Ever". It'll be on 2-CD and 3-LP (cat # 21141 (3LP) & 21142 (2-CD)) Soniqu? From andy.ball at RD.BBC.CO.UK Mon Mar 8 06:01:54 1999 From: andy.ball at RD.BBC.CO.UK (Andy Ball) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:01:54 +0000 Subject: Huw Lloyd Langton - Tonight In-Reply-To: <36E39AF8.494C6688@geocities.com> Message-ID: What time is he on? Cheers, Andy At 09:40 08/03/99 +0000, you wrote: >Surprised no-one replied to this - is anyone from the list likely to be at The >John Bull, Chiswick, tonight? (If anyone is, the easiest way to find it is to >get a tube to Gunnersbury (District Line, Richmond branch), out of the station, >and it's just about opposite, the other side of Chicwick High Road.) > >Cheers, > >Rich. > >Did you hear about the mathematician who got his calculator stuck up his arse? >He worked it out with a pencil. > > From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 8 06:19:51 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:19:51 +0000 Subject: OFF: MOTORHEAD - NEW ALBUM Message-ID: On m?n 8 mar 1999 04.34 +0000 "" wrote: > it's on CMC, although you wouldn't know it > from the label's website...it comes out later this month (I think) > and they're doing absolutely shit to promote it. Though Lemmy continues to appear everywhere and anywhere. I swear, everytime I turn around there's a Lemmy feature in some magazine or another! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Mon Mar 8 08:28:32 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 08:28:32 -0500 Subject: BOC: Clarification on upcoming BOC releases Message-ID: A few clarifications to my previous post: 1. WHY a new BOC compilation? Because Sony owns the rights, and they can do what they want in terms of releasing material BOC recorded when under contract to Columbia. BOC really has no control over it. 2. King Biscuit live CD will consist of tracks from the (I believe 7) KBFH broadcasts of BOC shows - this spans the years '75 to '86. "Wings of Mercury" was done in the '86 broadcast, so this tune *might* be included. Bolle is of the opinion that there will be less of the "hits" on this CD, and more obscure stuff included. Some tunes captured during these concerts (which may or may not be on the CD) include: Stairway to the Stars, Morning Final, Divine Wind, Lips in the Hills, Unknown Tongue, Wings of Mercury, 5 guitars (mark II and III versions). 3. New BOC CD on CMC International -- will most likely NOT be a live album. This "rumor" came up because some online fans thought that a live album from the 90s would be a good thing, and because CMC has released live albums by some of their artists. However, word has it that BOC will be doing a new studio album for release next year, and that no-one will hear any of the tunes live until the album is released. Personally, I hope they title it "Ezekiel's Wheel". 4. According to Chuck Saden (who was instrumental in getting the Ricky Browning benefit to happen), a CD from the Buck Dharma Band show is coming along. There were a few tracks that needed cleaning up, but that Buck is definitely planning on releasing this CD. Don't know if it will include the whole show, but it definitely should include some tasty BOC and Buck Dharma tracks (see the FAQ for the setlist for this show). John -- John A. Swartz - The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA - jswartz at mitre.org "Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to Anger. Anger leads to Hate. Hate leads to SUFFERING." -- Yoda (Star Wars: Episode 1 - The Phantom Menace) From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Mar 8 08:34:24 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:34:24 EDT Subject: BOC: Clarification on upcoming BOC releases In-Reply-To: <36E3D07F.3CBB969D@mitre.org> Message-ID: > From: "John A. Swartz" > > 2. King Biscuit live CD will consist of tracks from the (I believe 7) > KBFH broadcasts of BOC shows - this spans the years '75 to '86. "Wings > of Mercury" was done in the '86 broadcast, so this tune *might* be > included. Bolle is of the opinion that there will be less of the "hits" > on this CD, and more obscure stuff included. Some tunes captured during > these concerts (which may or may not be on the CD) include: Stairway to > the Stars, Morning Final, Divine Wind, Lips in the Hills, Unknown > Tongue, Wings of Mercury, 5 guitars (mark II and III versions). > Am I the only person on the list who heard BOC do True Confessions live? I even have a photo of Allen singing! That's gotta be some kind of collector's item, eh? On tour supporting AoF, they did a lot of songs from that album. Great tour... > 3. New BOC CD on CMC International -- will most likely NOT be a live > album. This "rumor" came up because some online fans thought that a > live album from the 90s would be a good thing, and because CMC has > released live albums by some of their artists. However, word has it > that BOC will be doing a new studio album for release next year, and > that no-one will hear any of the tunes live until the album is released. > Personally, I hope they title it "Ezekiel's Wheel". This is really better news than a live album from the current lineup, at least for now. I say this because it shows that CMC has confidence in the band, and suggests that HF probably sold pretty well. Anyone have any sales figures? Also, it means that a subsequent CMC live album [bet the farm that we'll see one eventually] will feature more 'new' stuff. Anyone else wonder if this news coincides with Al P's presence in the band? He might be a more fertile songwriter/contributor than AL at this point in time. Too bad they won't audition the new stuff live, but that could always change if the band is really hot for the new stuff. Or, it could mean that they will just concentrate on touring this summer, and will hole up in the studio next winter to woodshed and write new stuff. Opinions? theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Mar 8 08:36:25 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:36:25 EDT Subject: BOC: Clarification on upcoming BOC releases In-Reply-To: <36E3D07F.3CBB969D@mitre.org> Message-ID: > From: "John A. Swartz" 5 guitars (mark II and III versions). > What are the mk ii and iii versions? theo From clemens at TRAIL.COM Mon Mar 8 09:49:18 1999 From: clemens at TRAIL.COM (Clemens & Associates) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 07:49:18 -0700 Subject: BOC: Updates Message-ID: > From Eric Bloom on AOL: > > 1. Allen expected back for their gig in New Mexico on March 17th. > Where's the venue? Maybe I'll go this time. I passed on the opportunity to see them a few months back at the Camel Rock Casino. It's been over 20 years since I last saw them. Mark L. From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Mar 8 10:16:54 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:16:54 EST Subject: OFF: MOTORHEAD - NEW ALBUM Message-ID: In a message dated 3/8/99 6:24:12 AM, cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK writes: << it's on CMC, although you wouldn't know it > from the label's website...it comes out later this month (I think) > and they're doing absolutely shit to promote it. >> what i heard via bob mayo was that the head of CMC gave lemmy a verbal "lifetime contract"; he'd keep puttin 'em out as long as lemmy keeps makin 'em....apparently that doesn't mean they'd be well-promoted or nothin'... ja ne ! >>>larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Mar 8 10:21:24 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:21:24 EST Subject: OFF: LEMMY ON CHANNEL 4, UK TONIGHT Message-ID: In a message dated 3/8/99 5:50:46 AM, sonique at SONIQUE.NET writes: <<...Steamhammer called "Everything Louder than Ever". It'll be on 2-CD and 3-LP (cat # 21141 (3LP) & 21142 (2-CD))>> >>>BIG BIG SMILE at the thought of motorhead 3lp vinyl ....unlikely to be confused w/those three lp sets of the '70s......... ja ne! >>>larry b From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 8 11:11:23 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:11:23 GMT Subject: Dawn of Hawkwind - new CD Message-ID: What with 4 albums called Master of the Universe, 3 called Silver Machine and 2 called "Welcome to the Future I suppose someone had to make life worse for Hawkwind Kollectors. Now there's to be a new CD called "Dawn of Hawkwind" which is unrelated to the boot CD of the same title. I gather this is to be early Brock/Hawkwind Zoo/Group X stuff. FoFP From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Mar 8 06:24:46 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:24:46 +0000 Subject: BOC: Clarification on upcoming BOC releases Message-ID: > 3. New BOC CD on CMC International -- will most likely NOT be a live > album. This "rumor" came up because some online fans thought that a > live album from the 90s would be a good thing, and because CMC has > released live albums by some of their artists. However, word has it > that BOC will be doing a new studio album for release next year, and > that no-one will hear any of the tunes live until the album is released. > Personally, I hope they title it "Ezekiel's Wheel". Understatment of the decade: Yay. From hogard at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Mar 8 12:02:56 1999 From: hogard at HOTMAIL.COM (James A. Hogard) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:02:56 CST Subject: HW: Bob and Mike Message-ID: larry b wrote: >so you're saying a former wife of moorcock's would subsequently marry calvert? >O-HO! >i think back to reading an interview w/moorcock some years ago and thinking >his comments re: calvert were kinda pissy; i was surprised>> I was talking with Moorcock at a con in '93 and one of my friends asked him if he had gone to Calvert's funeral. His response was something along the lines of "No, I knew him too well when he was alive." hogard ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Mon Mar 8 12:36:30 1999 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 18:36:30 +0100 Subject: OFF: Man tour Message-ID: Keith Henderson schrieb: > Hi Folks... > > Just a few tour dates for Man on the continent, plus London. > As always, check the venue before travelling. > > Info from... > http://www.ringsoft.demon.co.uk/man/index.htm > > Keith H. (FAA) I just got in the tour dates from the German MAN fan-club, so here?s an updated version: > > 11 March 99, Substage, Karlsruhe, Germany 12 March 99, Safari Club, Chur, Switzerland > 13 March 99, Ochsen, Zofigen, Switzerland 14 March 99, Muehle Hunziken, Rubigen, Switzerland 15 March 99, Feierwerk, Muenchen, Germany (+ Growing Seeds) 17 March 99, Landgasthof Walter, Hamburg, Germany > 18 March 99, Pfefferberg, Berlin, Germany (+ Liquid Vision) > 19 March 99, Plunschli, Flensburg, Germany > 20 March 99, Bullentempel, Rendsburg, Germany > 21 March 99, Cadillac, Oldenburg, Germany > 23 March 99, Eddy's Pinte, Rheine, Germany > 24 March 99, Kulturverein Franzis, Wetzlar, Germany > 25 March 99, Spirit of 66, Verviers, Belgium > 26 March 99, Ebertbad (Starclub), Oberhausen, Germany > 27 March 99, Harmonie, Bonn, Germany (+ Tribe of Cro) 28 March 99, Gera, Germany 30 March 99, Buntes Haus, Celle, Germany > 31 March 99, Sinkkasten, Frankfurt, Germany > 1 April 99, Elfenbein, Bielefeld, Germany > 2 April 99, Venue tbc, Mainz, Germany > 3 April 99, Musiktheater Rex, Bensheim, Germany 4 April 99, Schwarzer Adler, Egelsee-Tannheim, Germany > 10 April 99, The Mean Fiddler, London Andreas From mlooney at IONET.NET Mon Mar 8 13:43:32 1999 From: mlooney at IONET.NET (Mike Looney - ionet) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 12:43:32 -0600 Subject: BOC Message-ID: 2 questions: 1) What is the procudure to sign up. I am a member, but a friend of mine wanted to join, and I could not find the how to join info sent to me years (and several computers) ago. 2) Imaginos I seem to recall that there is a "correct" order for this album, and that it is not the same as the track list. (I know this was talk about a lot on the list.) I play my CD on my lap top, and the program I use (DiscPlay 3.4, best CD player for WinTel boxes in the world, BTW) has an option to always play in a given order, and I would like to have it do so (actually, I had the list, but doing a low level format of your hard drive tends to lose things like that. Thanks -- Sillyness is the last refuse of the doomed. P. Opus http://www.spellbooksoftware.com -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GAT d-- s:- a38 US++ P+ L+ E W+++ N++ K++ w++ O- M- V-- PS+ PE++ Y PGP t++ 5 X R+++ tv+ b++++ DI+++ D G+ e+ h--- r+++ y+++(**) ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Mon Mar 8 16:13:15 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:13:15 -0500 Subject: OFF: The twain have met? Message-ID: Watching DW program on PBS, The Scorpions were the subject of a decent sized feature about the group's history. Maaaaaan.... next thing that'll happen is PBS will stop showing the same Moody Blues concert footage (this year, its just Justin Hayward w/ a backing band..either way its Moodies music) at pledge drive time and play a live Hawkwind vid or BOC's Live 76. Ha! Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From StevenTice at AOL.COM Mon Mar 8 16:02:28 1999 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:02:28 EST Subject: OFF: Dead Remotes Message-ID: No, that's not a new band. :-) Both of my remotes have now died. I can use neither the stereo nor the CD player without manipulating the main unit. It's not the batteries, new batteries don't change anything...the remotes have just ceased to function. My question is, what do you do to fix dead remotes? Take them to Radio Shack and hope for the best? Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Thanks... Steven Tice From bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Mar 8 16:11:49 1999 From: bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:11:49 PST Subject: BOC: Clarification on upcoming BOC releases Message-ID: >> From: "John A. Swartz" > > 5 guitars (mark II and III versions). >> >What are the mk ii and iii versions? > >theo MK III would be when Glenn Hughes and David Coverdale joined the band, and were quickly banished because they tried to turn BOC into a funk band. They were later able to hook on to Deep Purple before the infamous California Jam show. The MK III version of "7" guitars was notible because Coverdale couldn't play his instrument and Hughes couldn't refrain from adding his own high-piched, soulful singing to the mix. "True Confessions" was originally writted by Hughes for BOC during this period, but because of infighting with the band, Allen's name was attached to the credits on AOF.... Back from an alternate reality, Brian ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Mar 8 17:27:41 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:27:41 -0800 Subject: BOC:Live Album Message-ID: B?C in definite need of another live album, new line up, new album, glad > to see them doing this. > Laj. > >I hate to be a downer, but I'm a little disappointed. Heaven Forbid left me so hungry for more new material that a live album seems like a step backward at this point. Understandable as they basically fell off the face of the rock and roll planet and ended up in the night club dimension. A live album at this point would be pretty kewl I think. Aerosmith, Judas Priest, Black Sabbath, Kansas (KBFH) even April Wine (KBFH) currently have live albums on the shelf, why not BOC? >Although I agree that it would be great to get Stairway, which I think is the most kick-ass opener they've ever used. I have it on a boot CD from 1983 called Rock and Roll Reapers...I think it was recorded in Pasadena, Calif. I guess it would also be nice to have some of the HF tunes on a live disc, especially See You In Black. Well if they really are planning to do this I hope they put some real thought into the process. Carefully planned and varied set lists over say two months worth of shows. Stairways as the set opener would be phenomenal as would be Take me Away. Along with the current stuff they are doing I would hope to see a few of these gems in there: The Vigil Golden Age of Leather Lips in the Hills Astonomy Hell its probably to much to ask to ressurect Subhuman or Teen Archer but if they toss me a bone say ME 262 I'd forgive them. >But still, I feel like being greedy. I loved HF, and want this lineup to keep evolving and making new, vital music. Whoa don't go there. I'm surprised to see Al Pitrelli ventured west with them. I figured he was filling in for the local shows only since he lives here. Totally shocked to see him mentioned at the San Diego show. Besides I saw somewhere that Alan is due back soon. Thank goodness, can't have my fave old band screwing up one of my fave new bands by stealing their guitarist. L8er Ghost In The Ruins NP - Platypus - When Pus Comes to Shove Mike Kenally and Beer for Dolphins - Sluggo Helloween - Compilation of Keys I & II, Time of the Oath and Better Than Raw From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Mon Mar 8 21:01:32 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 20:01:32 -0600 Subject: BOC: Clarification on upcoming BOC releases Message-ID: "Ted Jackson jr. s2h2" wrote: > > > From: "John A. Swartz" > > 3. New BOC CD on CMC International -- will most likely NOT be a live > > album. This "rumor" came up because some online fans thought that a > > live album from the 90s would be a good thing, and because CMC has > > released live albums by some of their artists. However, word has it > > that BOC will be doing a new studio album for release next year, and > > that no-one will hear any of the tunes live until the album is released. > > Personally, I hope they title it "Ezekiel's Wheel". > > This is really better news than a live album from the current lineup, > at least for now. I say this because it shows that CMC has > confidence in the band, and suggests that HF probably sold pretty > well. Anyone have any sales figures? Also, it means that a > subsequent CMC live album [bet the farm that we'll see one > eventually] will feature more 'new' stuff. Anyone else wonder if > this news coincides with Al P's presence in the band? He might be a > more fertile songwriter/contributor than AL at this point in time. I guess Al P's last show was the 4th, from what I have been reading sounds like he did a great job with the Cult, but I for one am happy that Allen's due back, I'm going to catch the show down in North Dakota in June and I was hoping to see him. Here's hoping the release of the new B?C next year has some contribution from Allen, I've always loved his song writing. Laj. From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Mon Mar 8 21:26:11 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 21:26:11 -0500 Subject: BOC:Live Album In-Reply-To: <199903082304.QAA29263@docws002.shl.com> Message-ID: At 02:27 PM 3/8/99 -0800, you wrote: >The Vigil >Golden Age of Leather >Lips in the Hills >Astonomy > >Hell its probably to much to ask to ressurect Subhuman or Teen Archer but if >they toss me a bone say ME 262 I'd forgive them. I know Teen Archer was done fairly recently live, c. '93. As was I love the Night. Vigil received a workout at a show I saw in Buffalo in 96 or 97... the monologue before it essentially said that the performance was one of the first times they've done it in a while. Call me zany, but if they ever decide to expand the "acoutsic set" beyond one song (In Thee), Redeemed would be a cool number to hear again... as would I'm On the Lamb. The latter's my fave version of the Red and the black, actually. The immediacy of the track just hits the spot. WotT deserves a second proper live recording too. Bolle should convince KBFH to set up a fan poll on bocfanclub.com in order to select tracks for the live 'un. Number of hits to the siteand things like that should give KBFH a god index of how many copies to run off initially. Kill them all, Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM Tue Mar 9 00:55:23 1999 From: johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 06:55:23 +0100 Subject: OFF: Dead Remotes Message-ID: At 16:02 1999-03-08 EST, you wrote: >No, that's not a new band. :-) Both of my remotes have now died. I can use >neither the stereo nor the CD player without manipulating the main unit. It's >not the batteries, new batteries don't change anything...the remotes have just >ceased to function. My question is, what do you do to fix dead remotes? Take >them to Radio Shack and hope for the best? Any advice would be greatly >appreciated! Thanks... when my remote units frequenly used to die some years ago, I carefully dissasembled the unit, and cleaned it inside with warm water from the throw-ups my both breastfed sons. afterwards it worked well, until the next breakfast explosion in front of the television set. this particular unit finally gave up the breath when the younger one missed his brother's head with it, and slammed it into the floor. some circuit must have misunderstood the treatment. >Steven Tice .daddy From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Mar 9 02:31:00 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 02:31:00 EST Subject: OFF: Dead Remotes Message-ID: In a message dated 3/8/99 4:06:05 PM, StevenTice at AOL.COM writes: <> unless they're somehow xceptional, jeez , remotes are cheap, you could get a few of 'em for the price of a radio shack repair... ja ne! >>larry b From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Tue Mar 9 03:00:03 1999 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 03:00:03 EST Subject: BOC: Clarification on upcoming BOC releases Message-ID: John writes > Some tunes captured during these concerts (which may or may not be on the CD) include: Stairway to the Stars, Morning Final, Divine Wind, Lips in the Hills, Unknown Tongue, Wings of Mercury, 5 guitars (mark II and III versions) Also "Veins", which as I recall was not actually broadcast. A long while back Bolle dropped a strong hint that it would be on there...but who knows what's changed since then or who's making the call on this stuff... Theo, mark II was based on TAtSoL, mark III on GAoL. -Chris Baker From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Mar 9 06:51:15 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 07:51:15 EDT Subject: BOC: Clarification on upcoming BOC releases In-Reply-To: <36E480FC.11055530@dlcwest.com> Message-ID: > From: Laj Waldner > I guess Al P's last show was the 4th, from what I have been reading > sounds like he did a great job with the Cult, but I for one am happy > that Allen's due back, I'm going to catch the show down in North Dakota > in June and I was hoping to see him. Here's hoping the release of the > new B?C next year has some contribution from Allen, I've always loved > his song writing. > I din't get to hear Al P, but no matter how good he is, I'd still rather have AL back in the group. And I second the motion that AL should get in some songwriting for the new one, as I also hope Danny will. It may be a bit of a stretch for some of us old holdovers, but I really think it's in the best interest of the group to spread the songwriting around. Besides, any new songs will have BD playing gtr, so what more could we ask? theo From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Tue Mar 9 08:33:42 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:33:42 -0500 Subject: BOC: Random stuff Message-ID: > Am I the only person on the list who heard BOC do True Confessions > live? I even have a photo of Allen singing! That's gotta be some > kind of collector's item, eh? On tour supporting AoF, they did a lot > of songs from that album. Great tour... Wow - that must be pretty rare. If Al Bouchard is listening, maybe he could tell us how many times (roughly) it was done live. I didn't think it was ever done live. > > > 3. New BOC CD on CMC International -- will most likely NOT be a live > > album. > This is really better news than a live album from the current lineup, > at least for now. I say this because it shows that CMC has > confidence in the band, and suggests that HF probably sold pretty > well. Anyone have any sales figures? Nope - I don't believe it's gone gold (at least not yet) - I would've think that this would have been major news if it had. My wild-assed guess is that HF has probably sold in the 50,000 - 100,000 copy range -- but that's total speculation. > Anyone else wonder if > this news coincides with Al P's presence in the band? He might be a > more fertile songwriter/contributor than AL at this point in time. I doubt that this is the case. Al Pitrelli is a great musician, but from all reports, he's merely filling in so that Allen can get a break from touring. I suspect that Al P. is going back to his "regular job" of playing guitar in Savatage and the Tran-Siberian Orchestra. On the other hand, I understand that he and Danny Miranda have worked together in the past, so maybe the two of them will do some collaboration for the next BOC album... > 2) Imaginos > I seem to recall that there is a "correct" order for this album, and > that it is not the same as the track list. (I know this was talk about > a lot on the list.) I play my CD on my lap top, and the program I use > (DiscPlay 3.4, best CD player for WinTel boxes in the world, BTW) has > an option to always play in a given order, and I would like to have it > do so (actually, I had the list, but doing a low level format of your > hard drive tends to lose things like that. Check the BOC FAQ - it's in there. > > > > 5 guitars (mark II and III versions). > >> > >What are the mk ii and iii versions? This is in the FAQ too, but I can do this one from memory... Mark I was the 5 guitar jam at the end of ME-262 Mark II was the "independent" jam they used to do after Joe's bass solo -- as heard on "Live 1976" Mark III was the instrumental version of "Golden Age of Leather" > > Call me zany, but if they ever decide to expand the "acoutsic set" beyond > one song (In Thee), Redeemed would be a cool number to hear again... as > would I'm On the Lamb. The latter's my fave version of the Red and the > black, actually. Back in '95, they briefly (1 or 2 shows) did The Great Sun-Jester acoustically. Rumor had it that they were going to also do She's as Beautiful as a Foot, but that never happened. > Bolle should convince KBFH to set up a fan poll on bocfanclub.com in order > to select tracks for the live 'un. Number of hits to the siteand things > like that should give KBFH a god index of how many copies to run off > initially. KBFH only has the shows that BOC did for them to work with, so of course there won't be any HF tunes. Bolle hinted that this MIGHT be a 2-CD set, and that there is little or no motiviation to include BOC's "hits" on it, so he believes that we'll get lots of the more obscure stuff. John -- John A. Swartz - The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA - jswartz at mitre.org "Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to Anger. Anger leads to Hate. Hate leads to SUFFERING." -- Yoda (Star Wars: Episode 1 - The Phantom Menace) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 9 08:53:52 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 13:53:52 GMT Subject: OFF: Dead Remotes In-Reply-To: Steven Tice's message of Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:02:28 EST Message-ID: Steven Tice writes: > No, that's not a new band. :-) Both of my remotes have now died. I can use > neither the stereo nor the CD player without manipulating the main unit. It's > not the batteries, new batteries don't change anything...the remotes have just > ceased to function. My question is, what do you do to fix dead remotes? Take > them to Radio Shack and hope for the best? Any advice would be greatly > appreciated! Thanks... I'd just go out and buy one of those "Universal Programmable Remotes" and then you'll only need to lose one remote before renewing the walking to the stereo exercise proramme. I dunno what it is that goes in these remotes in the end. They must be total solid state devices. Maybe the keypad just gives up or something. > Steven Tice FoFP From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Tue Mar 9 08:52:28 1999 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 13:52:28 +0000 Subject: HW: Bob and Mike and HW punch-ups! In-Reply-To: <19990308170257.9400.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: Hi folks just thought I'd add this ditty: At the Xmas gig at the Rainbow, 1981, Bob, Mike and Nik guested for the show. Nik & Bob started before the main set, with some bloody awful version of Master of the Universe, with sax accompanied by that well remembered musical instrument: The Stylophone! - At least, that's what it sounds like on the cassette! (Remember - the thing that Rolph Harris was promoting in the early 70's) ( Dammit - I mentioned Rolph Harris on this site!) Anyhow, (allegedly) Bob and Mike had a punch-up backstage after the show! - probably about the time of the marriage, of Moorcock's former wife with Calvert? And talking of punch-ups, does anybody recall the gig where (again allegedly) where Brock and Langton had a punch-up backstage, before the encore? The crowd delighted to Nik's telling us of the fact, saomething along the lines of: "Hey - Dave Brock and Huw Lloyd Langton had a punch up just now, back stage. I think they should have a fight on stage!" With Huw replying: "You lying cunt Turner!" It was definately a London Hammersmith Odeon Gig, either November 1982, or probably the November 1984 Earth ritual gig, with Lemmy, and Mike, when Nik was wrapped in Black Plastic bags, singing Silver Machine hoisted on a wire, swing about 30 feet from the ground! It can't have been 1983, as they only played a handful of gigs that year, the London shoew being at Hammersmith Palais in February and in 1985 Nik wasn't there! Aha!! - THOSE were the days!!!!!! Guy Thomas From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 9 09:17:25 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:17:25 GMT Subject: OFF: Dead Remotes In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Tue, 9 Mar 1999 13:53:52 GMT Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > Steven Tice writes: > > > No, that's not a new band. :-) Both of my remotes have now died. I can use > > neither the stereo nor the CD player without manipulating the main unit. It's > > not the batteries, new batteries don't change anything...the remotes have just > > ceased to function. My question is, what do you do to fix dead remotes? Take > > them to Radio Shack and hope for the best? Any advice would be greatly > > appreciated! Thanks... > > I'd just go out and buy one of those "Universal Programmable Remotes" > and then you'll only need to lose one remote before renewing the walking > to the stereo exercise proramme. > > I dunno what it is that goes in these remotes in the end. They must be > total solid state devices. Maybe the keypad just gives up or something. Errrrr, though it's likely that these things learn their programs from the old remote... FoFP From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Tue Mar 9 09:09:00 1999 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:09:00 GMT Subject: HW: Bob and Mike and Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1999-03-09 14:09 >And talking of punch-ups, does anybody recall the gig where (again allegedly) >where Brock and Langton had a punch-up backstage, before the encore? The crowd >delighted to Nik's telling us of the fact, saomething along the lines of: >"Hey - Dave Brock and Huw Lloyd Langton had a punch up just now, back stage. >I think they should have a fight on stage!" >With Huw replying: "You lying cunt Turner!" >Guy Thomas My memory is getting hazy these days but I have a strong memory of this yet I don't think it happened at any Turner gig I was at and I couldn't tape gigs back then either. Therefore, surely it must exist on an official tape somewhere - I'm thinking the Ipswich video???? Mark From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Mar 9 09:20:01 1999 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:20:01 +0000 Subject: HW: Bob and Mike and HW punch-ups! In-Reply-To: <4428521309031999/A04563/LNMV02/11D34B741B00*@MHS> Message-ID: At 13:52 09/03/99 +0000, LN1GJT wrote: >And talking of punch-ups, does anybody recall the gig where (again allegedly) >where Brock and Langton had a punch-up backstage, before the encore? The crowd >delighted to Nik's telling us of the fact, something along the lines of: > >"Hey - Dave Brock and Huw Lloyd Langton had a punch up just now, back stage. >I think they should have a fight on stage!" > >With Huw replying: "You lying cunt Turner!" This high-point in HW history is captured on the Night Of The Hawks video. It also includes a remarkable tasteless dancing competition. Not to mention dreadful sound (at least for the first couple of tracks). Some people actually like this video, although I can't see why. Dave. Languages Group Manager. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Mar 9 09:26:28 1999 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:26:28 +0000 Subject: OFF: Dead Remotes In-Reply-To: <199903091417.OAA01525@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 14:17 09/03/99 GMT, M Holmes wrote: >> I'd just go out and buy one of those "Universal Programmable Remotes" >> and then you'll only need to lose one remote before renewing the walking >> to the stereo exercise proramme. > >Errrrr, though it's likely that these things learn their programs from >the old remote... The one we've got for our TV+video comes with a list of 3-digit codes with which to select the devices you own. E.g. it lists 6 codes for Toshiba TVs, and we had to try them one by one until we found one that worked. Dave. Languages Group Manager. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Tue Mar 9 09:31:43 1999 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 07:31:43 -0700 Subject: Dawn of Hawkwind - new CD In-Reply-To: <199903081611.QAA26039@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > What with 4 albums called Master of the Universe, 3 called Silver > Machine and 2 called "Welcome to the Future I suppose someone had to > make life worse for Hawkwind Kollectors. Now there's to be a new CD > called "Dawn of Hawkwind" which is unrelated to the boot CD of the same > title. > > I gather this is to be early Brock/Hawkwind Zoo/Group X stuff. > > FoFP Here's some info (from here: http://www.artist-shop.com/index.htm): "And if that's not enough, here's what's on the horizon of future releases through Voiceprint! Hawkwind/Dawn of Hawkwind - Hawkwind were formed from the ashes of the Hawkwind musicians collective in West London in 1969, with their self titled debut album released in 1970 on Liberty Records. Their main songwriter Dave Brock (vocals, guitars, keyboards) has assembled this collection of studio and live recordings, which cover the years 1966 to the early 70's. There are three different acts featured on this release: The Dharma Blues Band, Hawkwind Zoo and Dave Brock solo. All tracks are sequenced in chronological order and are previously unreleased or alternative versions. The first 1,000 copies will come with a 32 page A5 booklet, which will feature previously unseen photographs and reproductions from contemporary Hawkwind tour programmes. This Hawkwind scrapbook has been assembled by Dave Brock and will ensure that the initial pressings become desirable collector's items." Is this just a thinly disguised way of, for the ten-trillionth time, recycling the same old stuff we've been already assaulted with, or truly something worthwhile? Hmmmm.... Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Tue Mar 9 09:33:42 1999 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 15:33:42 +0100 Subject: HW: Bob and Mike and HW punch-ups! In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990309142001.016bddd0@mailhost.ed.harlequin.co. uk> Message-ID: >>And talking of punch-ups, does anybody recall the gig where (again allegedly) >>where Brock and Langton had a punch-up backstage, before the encore? The >crowd >>delighted to Nik's telling us of the fact, something along the lines of: >> >>"Hey - Dave Brock and Huw Lloyd Langton had a punch up just now, back >stage. >>I think they should have a fight on stage!" >> >>With Huw replying: "You lying cunt Turner!" > >This high-point in HW history is captured on the Night Of The Hawks video. >It also includes a remarkable tasteless dancing competition. Not to >mention dreadful sound (at least for the first couple of tracks). Some >people actually like this video, although I can't see why. > >Dave. this video is more a nik turner show then a hawkwind gig imho. so i can understand huw's reaction to nik. andre From andy.ball at RD.BBC.CO.UK Tue Mar 9 09:29:06 1999 From: andy.ball at RD.BBC.CO.UK (Andy Ball) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:29:06 +0000 Subject: HW: Bob and Mike and In-Reply-To: <9148@ems.rail.co.uk> Message-ID: Yes, you are correct, it's on the Night of the Hawks Video. Andy At 14:09 09/03/99 GMT, you wrote: >From: Mark Edmonds >Date: 1999-03-09 14:09 > >>And talking of punch-ups, does anybody recall the gig where (again >allegedly) >>where Brock and Langton had a punch-up backstage, before the encore? The >crowd >>delighted to Nik's telling us of the fact, saomething along the lines of: >>"Hey - Dave Brock and Huw Lloyd Langton had a punch up just now, back >stage. >>I think they should have a fight on stage!" >>With Huw replying: "You lying cunt Turner!" >>Guy Thomas > >My memory is getting hazy these days but I have a strong memory of this yet >I don't think it happened at any Turner gig I was at and I couldn't tape >gigs back then either. Therefore, surely it must exist on an official tape >somewhere - I'm thinking the Ipswich video???? > >Mark > > From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Tue Mar 9 09:43:43 1999 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:43:43 +0000 Subject: HW: Bob and Mike and HW punch-ups! In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990309142001.016bddd0@mailhost.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: >>"Hey - Dave Brock and Huw Lloyd Langton had a punch up just now, back >>stage. >>I think they should have a fight on stage!" >> >>With Huw replying: "You lying cunt Turner!" >This high-point in HW history is captured on the Night Of The Hawks video. >It also includes a remarkable tasteless dancing competition. Not to >mention dreadful sound (at least for the first couple of tracks). Some >people actually like this video, although I can't see why. > >Dave. Obviously my memory is getting faded too - but yes, of course it was the Night of the Hawks video!!!!!! Having said that, the Hammersmith show of that tour was probably one of my favourite gigs EVER !!!!! Guy T. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 9 09:51:23 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:51:23 GMT Subject: HW: Bob and Mike and HW punch-ups! In-Reply-To: Dave Berry's message of Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:20:01 +0000 Message-ID: Dave Berry writes: > >With Huw replying: "You lying cunt Turner!" > This high-point in HW history is captured on the Night Of The Hawks video. > It also includes a remarkable tasteless dancing competition. Tasteless? It's second only to the Miss Wet T-shirt competition of the Derby Bikefair video in Hawkwind movie excellence! > Dave. FoFP From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Mar 9 09:54:15 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:54:15 +0000 Subject: HW: Bob and Mike and HW punch-ups! In-Reply-To: <4428521309031999/A04563/LNMV02/11D34B741B00*@MHS> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, LN1GJT wrote: > It was definately a London Hammersmith Odeon Gig, either November 1982, or > probably the November 1984 Earth ritual gig, with Lemmy, and Mike, when Nik was > wrapped in Black Plastic bags, singing Silver Machine hoisted on a wire, swing > about 30 feet from the ground! It can't have been 1983, as they only played a > handful of gigs that year, the London shoew being at Hammersmith Palais in > February and in 1985 Nik wasn't there! Damn, is that where Madness got the idea then? ;-) Yours, Jon -- /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | =====================================================================| | "Probability level 1 to 1. We have normality, I repeat, we have | | normality. Anything you still can't deal with is therefore your own | \_________________________ problem." ______________________________/ \_____________/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 9 09:55:16 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:55:16 GMT Subject: OFF: Dead Remotes In-Reply-To: Dave Berry's message of Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:26:28 +0000 Message-ID: Dave Berry writes: > At 14:17 09/03/99 GMT, M Holmes wrote: > >> I'd just go out and buy one of those "Universal Programmable Remotes" > >> and then you'll only need to lose one remote before renewing the walking > >> to the stereo exercise proramme. > > > >Errrrr, though it's likely that these things learn their programs from > >the old remote... > > The one we've got for our TV+video comes with a list of 3-digit codes with > which to select the devices you own. E.g. it lists 6 codes for Toshiba > TVs, and we had to try them one by one until we found one that worked. I'm thinking I have remotes for two JVC videos (you can switch one remote to "A" or "B" depending which VCR you want to control), a Ferguson VCR, a Saisho TV and Aiwa tape deck, and a Marantz CD player. The JVC has about 30 buttons alone on the remote. Would one Universal Remote handle all that? Maybe by having 30 buttons and 6 different modes? It`d be worth buying if it could but.... FoFP From mwood at MY-DEJANEWS.COM Tue Mar 9 10:27:45 1999 From: mwood at MY-DEJANEWS.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 15:27:45 -0000 Subject: OFF: Dead Remotes Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:55:16 M Holmes wrote: >I'm thinking I have remotes for two JVC videos (you can switch one >remote to "A" or "B" depending which VCR you want to control), a >Ferguson VCR, a Saisho TV and Aiwa tape deck, and a Marantz CD player. >The JVC has about 30 buttons alone on the remote. Would one Universal >Remote handle all that? Maybe by having 30 buttons and 6 different modes? You might have to search a bit to find one like that, but they exist. I bought mine through a mail order company called Damark - I just found out that they have a web site - http://www.damark.com. I don't see the one I bought there - the only one on the page costs US$54! I think mine was more like $20-25. Mine has six modes - each mode can control both a TV & VCR. That uses up 2 modes for me (for the TV/VCR pair in 2 different rooms). Then I have one for my stereo (though I didn't program all the functions of my receiver on it), including the basic functions of my CD player. The more advanced CD player functions are on another mode. I'd recommend something that allows you to label the buttons the way you've programmed them - it's tough remembering which of the buttons labelled A, B, C, and D is programmed for "on-screen display" for each VCR - I always end up hitting the one programmed for "eject" by mistake! :-) Good luck! MWood -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Tue Mar 9 10:31:00 1999 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 15:31:00 GMT Subject: OFF: Dead Remotes Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1999-03-09 15:31 >I'm thinking I have remotes for two JVC videos (you can switch one >remote to "A" or "B" depending which VCR you want to control), a >Ferguson VCR, a Saisho TV and Aiwa tape deck, and a Marantz CD player. >The JVC has about 30 buttons alone on the remote. Would one Universal >Remote handle all that? Maybe by having 30 buttons and 6 different modes? >It`d be worth buying if it could but.... >FoFP If its any help, I use a Sony AV2000 remote. It comes preprogrammed with various codes but if your machine isn't included, you need to teach it by pressing the buttons on the old remote. Some controls it can learn, some it can't (example being forward skip or backwards skip on a Teac CD deck). For general tidyness, a universal remote is nice but it can't do everything and I now have the bizarre situation of having to keep my old remotes going either for codes which the Sony can't learn or because there are too many buttons on the original remote (such as my JVC video remote which has a flip up lid revealing another bank of buttons...). Mark From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Mar 9 10:42:05 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 10:42:05 EST Subject: HW: Bob and Mike and HW punch-ups! Message-ID: In a message dated 3/9/99 8:57:50 AM, Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM writes: <<"Hey - Dave Brock and Huw Lloyd Langton had a punch up just now, back stage. I think they should have a fight on stage!" >> yeah, y'know i've got this on tape but i dont recall which one...dont have too much '80s hw, but indeed. it happened and is circulating on tape ja ne! >>larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Mar 9 11:05:59 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:05:59 EST Subject: Dawn of Hawkwind - new CD Message-ID: In a message dated 3/9/99 9:32:04 AM, novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM writes: <> ten trillion and counting, if'n yer askin me>>>> ja ne! >>larry b From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Tue Mar 9 11:22:41 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 08:22:41 -0800 Subject: Random stuff Message-ID: I saw BOC plenty in the AoF era but damn if I can remember hearing "True Confessions". I do remember hearing "Going thru the Motions" which at the time, we all could've done without. >KBFH only has the shows that BOC did for them to work with, so of course >there won't be any HF tunes. Bolle hinted that this MIGHT be a 2-CD >set, and that there is little or no motiviation to include BOC's "hits" >on it, so he believes that we'll get lots of the more obscure stuff. Whoo hoo! If they left off Godzilla, I'd buy it for that reason alone, nevermind what else was on there. I'm of the belief that that song hurt the band more than anything, big hit and money maker, yes but it also caused many people to write them off as a joke or novelty band. I suppose I could live with "Reaper".. great song but over exposed and over played. And as far as "Burnin' for You" is concerned, didn't the KBFH shows predate that album? Here's a question for you guys.. Did they EVER play "Mistress of the Salmon Salt" live? I just love that tune but, as many times as I've seen BOC, I can't recall ever having heard that one live, even in the old days. JB -----Original Message----- From: John A. Swartz [mailto:jswartz at MITRE.ORG] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 5:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: BOC: Random stuff > Am I the only person on the list who heard BOC do True Confessions > live? I even have a photo of Allen singing! That's gotta be some > kind of collector's item, eh? On tour supporting AoF, they did a lot > of songs from that album. Great tour... Wow - that must be pretty rare. If Al Bouchard is listening, maybe he could tell us how many times (roughly) it was done live. I didn't think it was ever done live. > > > 3. New BOC CD on CMC International -- will most likely NOT be a live > > album. > This is really better news than a live album from the current lineup, > at least for now. I say this because it shows that CMC has > confidence in the band, and suggests that HF probably sold pretty > well. Anyone have any sales figures? Nope - I don't believe it's gone gold (at least not yet) - I would've think that this would have been major news if it had. My wild-assed guess is that HF has probably sold in the 50,000 - 100,000 copy range -- but that's total speculation. > Anyone else wonder if > this news coincides with Al P's presence in the band? He might be a > more fertile songwriter/contributor than AL at this point in time. I doubt that this is the case. Al Pitrelli is a great musician, but from all reports, he's merely filling in so that Allen can get a break from touring. I suspect that Al P. is going back to his "regular job" of playing guitar in Savatage and the Tran-Siberian Orchestra. On the other hand, I understand that he and Danny Miranda have worked together in the past, so maybe the two of them will do some collaboration for the next BOC album... > 2) Imaginos > I seem to recall that there is a "correct" order for this album, and > that it is not the same as the track list. (I know this was talk about > a lot on the list.) I play my CD on my lap top, and the program I use > (DiscPlay 3.4, best CD player for WinTel boxes in the world, BTW) has > an option to always play in a given order, and I would like to have it > do so (actually, I had the list, but doing a low level format of your > hard drive tends to lose things like that. Check the BOC FAQ - it's in there. > > > > 5 guitars (mark II and III versions). > >> > >What are the mk ii and iii versions? This is in the FAQ too, but I can do this one from memory... Mark I was the 5 guitar jam at the end of ME-262 Mark II was the "independent" jam they used to do after Joe's bass solo -- as heard on "Live 1976" Mark III was the instrumental version of "Golden Age of Leather" > > Call me zany, but if they ever decide to expand the "acoutsic set" beyond > one song (In Thee), Redeemed would be a cool number to hear again... as > would I'm On the Lamb. The latter's my fave version of the Red and the > black, actually. Back in '95, they briefly (1 or 2 shows) did The Great Sun-Jester acoustically. Rumor had it that they were going to also do She's as Beautiful as a Foot, but that never happened. > Bolle should convince KBFH to set up a fan poll on bocfanclub.com in order > to select tracks for the live 'un. Number of hits to the siteand things > like that should give KBFH a god index of how many copies to run off > initially. KBFH only has the shows that BOC did for them to work with, so of course there won't be any HF tunes. Bolle hinted that this MIGHT be a 2-CD set, and that there is little or no motiviation to include BOC's "hits" on it, so he believes that we'll get lots of the more obscure stuff. John -- John A. Swartz - The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA - jswartz at mitre.org "Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to Anger. Anger leads to Hate. Hate leads to SUFFERING." -- Yoda (Star Wars: Episode 1 - The Phantom Menace) From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Tue Mar 9 12:39:28 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:39:28 -0500 Subject: Random stuff In-Reply-To: <6D986111E966D211A65E00A0C96E961108FAB9@C2> Message-ID: At 08:22 AM 3/9/99 -0800, you wrote: >Here's a question for you guys.. Did they EVER play "Mistress of the Salmon >Salt" live? I just love that tune but, as many times as I've seen BOC, I >can't recall ever having heard that one live, even in the old days. > >JB Yes they did. a fellow BOC-Ler freind of mine (Brian) has boot of them playing the song... at the end they did a neat lil' "round" with the last few lines of the lyrics. I would have ;loved to see that if it werent for the fact I wasnt around (gasp!). Use your wheels, Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Mar 9 13:20:53 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 10:20:53 -0800 Subject: BOC: Clarification on upcoming BOC releases Message-ID: JS>A few clarifications to my previous post: JS>1. WHY a new BOC compilation? Because Sony owns the rights, and they can do what they want in terms of releasing material BOC recorded when under contract to Columbia. BOC really has no control over it. ...and possibly another indication that HF has sold beyond expectations. JS>2. King Biscuit live CD will consist of tracks from the (I believe 7) KBFH broadcasts of BOC shows - this spans the years '75 to '86. "Wings of Mercury" was done in the '86 broadcast, so this tune *might* be included. Bolle is of the opinion that there will be less of the "hits" on this CD, and more obscure stuff included. Some tunes captured during these concerts (which may or may not be on the CD) include: Stairway to the Stars, Morning Final, Divine Wind, Lips in the Hills, Unknown Tongue, Wings of Mercury, 5 guitars (mark II and III versions). ...Hmmm interesting. A fairly obscure band playing obscure numbers on a live album they expect to sell? Not! Sure the big three will be on there along with a fair number of songs that people may recognize. I like your "may or may not" list but will the casual BOC fan recognize many of those songs? Sheoot just give me a couple of those and a bunch I've heard 10 times, its live BOC so I'd be happy. JS>3. New BOC CD on CMC International -- will most likely NOT be a live album. This "rumor" came up because some online fans thought that a live album from the 90s would be a good thing, and because CMC has released live albums by some of their artists. However, word has it that BOC will be doing a new studio album for release next year, and that no-one will hear any of the tunes live until the album is released. Personally, I hope they title it "Ezekiel's Wheel". EW lives. It would be kewl and ya I get cised for so more studio material. I know I am past the point of not wanting outside influence in the song writing department, however this band needs help whenever they can get it. As long as its similar in quality to HF I'll buy it. As an aside, didn't Judas Priest release a studio album on CMC and then followed it up with the double live disc less than a year later? That timing could work for BOC also. Bet dollars to donuts that if a second CMC-BOC album sells well we will get a live one within a year. I can wait, I think. >4. According to Chuck Saden (who was instrumental in getting the Ricky Browning benefit to happen), a CD from the Buck Dharma Band show is coming along. There were a few tracks that needed cleaning up, but that Buck is definitely planning on releasing this CD. Don't know if it will include the whole show, but it definitely should include some tasty BOC and Buck Dharma tracks (see the FAQ for the setlist for this show). Hope I can get it through CDNow. Theo>This is really better news than a live album from the current lineup, at least for now. I say this because it shows that CMC has confidence in the band, and suggests that HF probably sold pretty well. Anyone have any sales figures? Also, it means that a subsequent CMC live album [bet the farm that we'll see one eventually] will feature more 'new' stuff. Anyone else wonder if this news coincides with Al P's presence in the band? He might be a more fertile songwriter/contributor than AL at this point in time. Dude will you please stop this. Al P. is not joining BOC permanently, I will not allow this to happen. No way no how. Al P is too vital to Savatage; I'm a realist, Svatage has much more future ahead of them than BOC and Savatage is where Al P. belongs. Ya Al P. is a better guitar player, vocalist and probably writer than Allen. Al P. also plays a mean keyboard but I think Allen's got him on that one. >Too bad they won't audition the new stuff live, but that could always change if the band is really hot for the new stuff. Or, it could mean that they will just concentrate on touring this summer, and will hole up in the studio next winter to woodshed and write new stuff. Opinions? I dunno, I hope they do not audition potential new songs. Hearing SYIB and HM for years before ever seeing them on the record kinda made me feel like I was buying a used CD. Besides it will be great discussing fresh new BOC music that no one has ever heard before. Ya take the long cold winter and hunker down boys. I'm getting tired of wearing heavy coats to clubs. Leave it in the car and you catch pnemonia running to your ride. Take it in and you sweat or carry the beast. Niether way works for me. OK so I hope you guys stop talking about Al P. as a permanent member of BOC. If they try to steal him I'm shooting them all (well not Buck or Danny) starting with Schenk. L8er The Sava maniac looking for Al P to return home. Ghost in the Ruins "I'm moving fast...forget the past...I'm burning tread...in my head... I live foooooooor ...24 hours ago." From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 9 14:06:50 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 19:06:50 GMT Subject: OFF: Dead Remotes In-Reply-To: Marshall Wood's message of Tue, 9 Mar 1999 15:27:45 -0000 Message-ID: Marshall Wood writes: > the way you've programmed them - it's tough remembering which of the > buttons labelled A, B, C, and D is program> med for "on-screen display" > for each VCR - I always end up hitting the one programmed for "eject" > by mistake! :-) I was given one of these in a hotel once but it had a major flaw in that the CLEAR EVERYTHING button was placed just where you usually grab it whenever you picked it up. Consequently I managed to wipe the whole thing clear about once each evening and had to wander with great embarrassment down to the Reception Desk and ask them to reprogramme it on every occasion..... sigh. jill ObFright> A knock at the door at 11.30pm and two huge policemen rush into the house claiming I've just made a 999 call (411 equivalent in the States). Wasn't me - but they took a bit of convincing! ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 9 14:18:17 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 19:18:17 GMT Subject: Dawn of Hawkwind - new CD In-Reply-To: Kevin Sommers's message of Tue, 9 Mar 1999 07:31:43 -0700 Message-ID: Kevin Sommers writes: > > What with 4 albums called Master of the Universe, 3 called Silver > > Machine and 2 called "Welcome to the Future I suppose someone had to > > make life worse for Hawkwind Kollectors. Now there's to be a new CD > > called "Dawn of Hawkwind" which is unrelated to the boot CD of the same > > title. > > > > I gather this is to be early Brock/Hawkwind Zoo/Group X stuff. > > > > FoFP > > Here's some info (from here: http://www.artist-shop.com/index.htm): > "And if that's not enough, here's what's on the horizon of future releases > through Voiceprint! > > Hawkwind/Dawn of Hawkwind - Hawkwind were formed from the ashes of the > Hawkwind musicians collective in West London in 1969, with their self titled > debut album released in 1970 on Liberty Records. Their main songwriter Dave > Brock (vocals, guitars, keyboards) has assembled this collection of studio > and live recordings, which cover the years 1966 to the early 70's. There are > three different acts featured on this release: The Dharma Blues Band, > Hawkwind Zoo and Dave Brock solo. All tracks are sequenced in chronological > order and are previously unreleased or alternative versions. The first 1,000 > copies will come with a 32 page A5 booklet, which will feature previously > unseen photographs and reproductions from contemporary Hawkwind tour > programmes. This Hawkwind scrapbook has been assembled by Dave Brock and > will ensure that the initial pressings become desirable collector's items." > > Is this just a thinly disguised way of, for the ten-trillionth time, > recycling the same old stuff we've been already assaulted with, or truly > something worthwhile? Hmmmm.... Actually I'm guessing this must be the 66-70 release that has been promised for a while now and if so it'll be an official release and could be interesting although I'm curious to know exactly what "unreleased or alternative versions" is going to mean in reality. Possibly remixed versions of the earlier releases?? I don't know how much else Hawkwind Zoo did except for the album that already exists and to the best of my knowledge (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) there were no recordings made of the period when Brock was playing with Dharma Blues - I've got a Dharma Blues album but it was released after DB left. There are a couple of tracks on "White Boy Blues" but I can't remember if Brock features on these. If there is really some previously unreleased material coming out here it could be an extrememly interesting release IMO! But I'm only dreaming, I guess! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From janbudd at WORLDONLINE.NL Tue Mar 9 15:29:24 1999 From: janbudd at WORLDONLINE.NL (jan buddenberg) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 21:29:24 +0100 Subject: Random stuff Message-ID: Jospeh Brooks wrote: >Here's a question for you guys.. Did they EVER play "Mistress of the Salmon >Salt" live? I just love that tune but, as many times as I've seen BOC, I >can't recall ever having heard that one live, even in the old days. they sure did, It's featured on the radioshow dated 08-oct-1973, agora ballroom, cleveland. Come to think of it, did I ever mention that "The Revenge of Vera Gemini" was performed by Patti Smith in 1977. If I remember correctly it was on 31-12-1977 at the same place as BOC played. I can't find the tape right now but maybe someone has some more info? From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Mar 9 17:12:11 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:12:11 -0000 Subject: HW: Bob and Mike and HW punch-ups! In-Reply-To: <4428521309031999/A04563/LNMV02/11D34B741B00*@MHS> Message-ID: > At the Xmas gig at the Rainbow, 1981, Bob, Mike and Nik guested > for the show. > Nik & Bob started before the main set, with some bloody awful > version of Master > of the Universe, with sax accompanied by that well remembered musical > instrument: The Stylophone! - At least, that's what it sounds > like on the > cassette! (Remember - the thing that Rolph Harris was promoting > in the early > 70's) ( Dammit - I mentioned Rolph Harris on this site!) My recollection is that it was Bob's little Wasp synth - a tiny little object with maybe two octaves' worth of keyboard if you're lucky. he used it on solo gigs quite often. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM Tue Mar 9 18:08:40 1999 From: artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM (Gary Davis) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:08:40 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind releases Message-ID: Hi, folks: The latest Artist Shop newsletter is out. You'll find it in its entirety at . Here's a couple tidbits you might find of interest, though. We've done a major updating of our Voiceprint page to add the latest releases and some that are forthcoming, including the following: Hawkwind/Dawn of Hawkwind - Hawkwind were formed from the ashes of the Hawkwind musicians collective in West London in 1969, with their self titled debut album released in 1970 on Liberty Records. Their main songwriter Dave Brock (vocals, guitars, keyboards) has assembled this collection of studio and live recordings, which cover the years 1966 to the early 70's. There are three different acts featured on this release: The Dharma Blues Band, Hawkwind Zoo and Dave Brock solo. All tracks are sequenced in chronological order and are previously unreleased or alternative versions. The first 1,000 copies will come with a 32 page A5 booklet, which will feature previously unseen photographs and reproductions from contemporary Hawkwind tour programmes. This Hawkwind scrapbook has been assembled by Dave Brock and will ensure that the initial pressings become desirable collector's items. On our new imports page you'll find: HAWKWIND-GOLDEN VOID 1969-1979 Digitally remastered compilation featuring 19 tracks spread over two gold discs! Contains tracks by various Hawkwind incarnations and spin-offs, including Hawkwind Zoo, Sonet Assassins and Hawklords. Double slimline jewelcase. 1999 release. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop.com phone: 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Tue Mar 9 18:38:14 1999 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:38:14 EST Subject: Random stuff Message-ID: In a message dated 03/09/99 10:22:40 AM Central Standard Time, Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET writes: << Here's a question for you guys.. Did they EVER play "Mistress of the Salmon Salt" live? I just love that tune but, as many times as I've seen BOC, I can't recall ever having heard that one live, even in the old days. >> Yep. Cleveland 10/08/73 radio show. R. From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Tue Mar 9 18:46:43 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Gekke Henkie) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 00:46:43 +0100 Subject: OFF: Dead Remotes In-Reply-To: <27a9f2be.36e43ae4@aol.com> Message-ID: On 8 Mar 99, at 16:02, Steven Tice wrote: > No, that's not a new band. :-) Both of my remotes have now died. I can > use neither the stereo nor the CD player without manipulating the main > unit. It's not the batteries, new batteries don't change anything...the > remotes have just ceased to function. My question is, what do you do to > fix dead remotes? Take them to Radio Shack and hope for the best? Any > advice would be greatly appreciated! Thanks... I do not own any remote, so I don't have the answer :-) Getting out of my chair and doing everything by hand is good for my condition, it might work for you to! --BArt "It's in your head" | Bart Brugmans | tel: 0314 378946 | werk: 030 2316833 (ma,di,do en op even weken ook vrij) | web: http://www.bundersbos.demon.nl | email: bart at bundersbos.demon.nl From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Tue Mar 9 18:59:29 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 15:59:29 -0800 Subject: Random stuff Message-ID: Arrgghh... Tapes.. I need tapes... I have live tapes up the wazoo of bands that allow such.. (Dead etc.) Why don't I have any BOC tapes? {Insert Sam Kinison impression here} :-) JB -----Original Message----- From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM [mailto:Rocker22 at AOL.COM] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 3:38 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: Random stuff In a message dated 03/09/99 10:22:40 AM Central Standard Time, Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET writes: << Here's a question for you guys.. Did they EVER play "Mistress of the Salmon Salt" live? I just love that tune but, as many times as I've seen BOC, I can't recall ever having heard that one live, even in the old days. >> Yep. Cleveland 10/08/73 radio show. R. From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Tue Mar 9 22:11:06 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:11:06 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: beeebedeep... off the newswire Message-ID: > [From Deborah Frost,]we also have other exciting Cellsum news: >we'll be releasing our first soundtrack soon...featured artists >are...actually, guess I shouldn't say too much before the ink is dry, but >let's just say it's a very exciting project featuring some of my fave artists >of all time.. some rare and unique tracks...and we're really thrilled to have >em on our label in any way shape or form...and know you will be too! >Keep watchin this space fer details... 'Nuff said. Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Tue Mar 9 21:46:33 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:46:33 -0600 Subject: HW: Dude on the Radio Show Message-ID: Could someone tell me how to get to this Radio Station that C. Rosenberg is the DJ? And when is he on the Air? Clueless in Oklahoma (But then again aren't most Oklahomeans) Hawkman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Tue Mar 9 23:21:19 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:21:19 -0600 Subject: BOC: Clarification on upcoming BOC releases Message-ID: Chris Baker wrote: > > John writes > > > Some tunes captured during these concerts (which may or may not be on the > CD) include: Stairway to the Stars, Morning Final, Divine Wind, Lips in the > Hills, Unknown Tongue, Wings of Mercury, 5 guitars (mark II and III versions) > > Also "Veins", which as I recall was not actually broadcast. A long while back > Bolle dropped a strong hint that it would be on there...but who knows what's > changed since then or who's making the call on this stuff... > > Theo, mark II was based on TAtSoL, mark III on GAoL. > > -Chris Baker Veins? How sweet, a rendition without the electronic drums would be worth the price of this album 10 fold :-). Laj. From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Tue Mar 9 23:47:08 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:47:08 -0600 Subject: BOC: Clarification on upcoming BOC releases Message-ID: "BREVARD, Adrian R." wrote: > > JS>A few clarifications to my previous post: > > JS>1. WHY a new BOC compilation? Because Sony owns the rights, and they > can do what they want in terms of releasing material BOC recorded when > under contract to Columbia. BOC really has no control over it. > > ...and possibly another indication that HF has sold beyond expectations. > > JS>2. King Biscuit live CD will consist of tracks from the (I believe 7) > KBFH broadcasts of BOC shows - this spans the years '75 to '86. "Wings > of Mercury" was done in the '86 broadcast, so this tune *might* be > included. Bolle is of the opinion that there will be less of the "hits" > on this CD, and more obscure stuff included. Some tunes captured during > these concerts (which may or may not be on the CD) include: Stairway to > the Stars, Morning Final, Divine Wind, Lips in the Hills, Unknown > Tongue, Wings of Mercury, 5 guitars (mark II and III versions). > > ...Hmmm interesting. A fairly obscure band playing obscure numbers on a > live album they expect to sell? Not! Why not? it won't brake any sales records definitely, and they will probably have the big three on there, but after that. . . Columbia did re-release there entire collection on CD, and Sony's Rewind just recently re-released Cultosaurus Erectus, and MF is releasing a Gold Tyranny (no big three to be found), so there must be some interest in obscure Cult. Any tunes other than those big three are pretty obscure, regardless. > Sure the big three will be on there > along with a fair number of songs that people may recognize. I like your > "may or may not" list but will the casual BOC fan recognize many of those > songs? Sheoot just give me a couple of those and a bunch I've heard 10 > times, its live BOC so I'd be happy. What a perfect time to expand ones live B?C collection, and listen to some stuff you might of missed, if you have heard it before, or if most of it's material is on one of the other three live albums, what's the point. > JS>3. New BOC CD on CMC International -- will most likely NOT be a live > album. This "rumor" came up because some online fans thought that a > live album from the 90s would be a good thing, and because CMC has > released live albums by some of their artists. However, word has it > that BOC will be doing a new studio album for release next year, and > that no-one will hear any of the tunes live until the album is released. > Personally, I hope they title it "Ezekiel's Wheel". > > EW lives. It would be kewl and ya I get cised for so more studio material. > I know I am past the point of not wanting outside influence in the song > writing department, however this band needs help whenever they can get it. > As long as its similar in quality to HF I'll buy it. True, be great to hear Danny's material on the next album, Eric and Buck seem to have a hard time pumpin' out the tunes (I would rather have quality over quantity though), but still, Allen and Danny's input would probably increase production at the ol' B?C music factory ;-). >As an aside, didn't > Judas Priest release a studio album on CMC and then followed it up with the > double live disc less than a year later? That timing could work for BOC > also. Bet dollars to donuts that if a second CMC-BOC album sells well we > will get a live one within a year. I can wait, I think. > > >4. According to Chuck Saden (who was instrumental in getting the Ricky > Browning benefit to happen), a CD from the Buck Dharma Band show is > coming along. There were a few tracks that needed cleaning up, but that > Buck is definitely planning on releasing this CD. Don't know if it will > include the whole show, but it definitely should include some tasty BOC > and Buck Dharma tracks (see the FAQ for the setlist for this show). > > Hope I can get it through CDNow. > > Theo>This is really better news than a live album from the current lineup, > at least for now. I say this because it shows that CMC has > confidence in the band, and suggests that HF probably sold pretty > well. Anyone have any sales figures? Also, it means that a > subsequent CMC live album [bet the farm that we'll see one > eventually] will feature more 'new' stuff. Anyone else wonder if > this news coincides with Al P's presence in the band? He might be a > more fertile songwriter/contributor than AL at this point in time. > > Dude will you please stop this. Al P. is not joining BOC permanently, I > will not allow this to happen. No way no how. Al P is too vital to > Savatage; I'm a realist, Svatage has much more future ahead of them than BOC > and Savatage is where Al P. belongs. Ya Al P. is a better guitar player, > vocalist and probably writer than Allen. Al P. also plays a mean keyboard > but I think Allen's got him on that one. > > >Too bad they won't audition the new stuff live, but that could always > change if the band is really hot for the new stuff. Or, it could > mean that they will just concentrate on touring this summer, and will > hole up in the studio next winter to woodshed and write new stuff. > Opinions? > > I dunno, I hope they do not audition potential new songs. Hearing SYIB and > HM for years before ever seeing them on the record kinda made me feel likeI > was buying a used CD. Besides it will be great discussing fresh new BOC > music that no one has ever heard before. Ya take the long cold winter and > hunker down boys. I'm getting tired of wearing heavy coats to clubs. Leave > it in the car and you catch pnemonia running to your ride. Take it in and > you sweat or carry the beast. Niether way works for me. Don't ya guys have coat checks down there? > OK so I hope you guys stop talking about Al P. as a permanent member of BOC. > If they try to steal him I'm shooting them all (well not Buck or Danny) > starting with Schenk. > Well, Eric's cool so give him a 5 minute head start, and due to Bobby's "stature" you should give him 10 ;-). Laj. > L8er > > The Sava maniac looking for Al P to return home. > > Ghost in the Ruins > "I'm moving fast...forget the past...I'm burning tread...in my head... I > live foooooooor ...24 hours ago." From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Mar 10 00:17:11 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 00:17:11 EST Subject: HW: Dude on the Radio Show Message-ID: In a message dated 99-03-09 22:02:52 EST, you write: << Could someone tell me how to get to this Radio Station that C. Rosenberg is the DJ? And when is he on the Air? Clueless in Oklahoma (But then again aren't most Oklahomeans) Hawkman >> C. Rosenberg here. It's KUCR, 88.3. I don't really know anything about Web- Radio, but I know we're on there. I haven't gotten an official time-slot yet, as I'm still training, but tomorrow I definitely will be on for 30 minutes sometime between 1-3 pm PST. Chuck From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Mar 10 01:54:02 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 01:54:02 EST Subject: HW: Dude on the Radio Show Message-ID: In a message dated 3/9/99 10:02:52 PM, spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET writes: <online radio list ja ne! >>larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Mar 10 02:14:31 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 02:14:31 EST Subject: HW: Dude on the Radio Show Message-ID: In a message dated 3/10/99 12:27:31 AM, Chuckrecs at AOL.COM writes: <> well,with the online radio list i send yet again (it's easy enough to do) you can go there, and if his station "bitcasts" like many do, then you download their hoozis, which is then played on your realplayer, if'n you have one. if'n you don't you'll be able to acquire one there (and lots of other places where bands and music are involved)>>subsequently you'll be able to select the station you've acquired and hear it live....some stations offer jingles; by golly, now that you mention it, i'll send one along here, from a czech country station. there's hundreds of worldwide station sites there, quite a few of which offer something to listen to...i haven't traversed it nearly enough as i'd like...but here it is, comrade>>> ja ne! >>larry b -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: czech 1 Type: application/octet-stream Size: 35252 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Mar 10 04:24:14 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:24:14 +0000 Subject: Huw Lloyd Langton - Tonight Message-ID: Apologies for not replying to this, or indeed turning up on Monday night - I got rushed into hospital at lunchtime Monday. Am still alive though. I need a holiday... :-) Cheers, Rich. Andy Ball wrote: > What time is he on? > Cheers, > Andy > > At 09:40 08/03/99 +0000, you wrote: > >Surprised no-one replied to this - is anyone from the list likely to be at > The > >John Bull, Chiswick, tonight? (If anyone is, the easiest way to find it > is to > >get a tube to Gunnersbury (District Line, Richmond branch), out of the > station, > >and it's just about opposite, the other side of Chicwick High Road.) > > > >Cheers, > > > >Rich. > > > >Did you hear about the mathematician who got his calculator stuck up his > arse? > >He worked it out with a pencil. > > > > From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 10 06:45:49 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 07:45:49 EDT Subject: yardbirds alumni In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990309221106.0068be3c@mail1.wizvax.net> Message-ID: Jason, I know you're a big time Yardbirds fan, so I'm wondering if you've ever heard the excellent Box of Frogs albums? Anyway, McCarty, Dreja and Samwell-Smith put out 2 albums back, oh say, mid 80s. First was Box of Frogs, second was Strange Land. They've been reissued on one cd: A-26866 Sony Music Special Products. These albums are noteworthy for their regrouping of the original Yardbirds, but also for their participation by Beck and Page on a few cuts, and also Rory Gallagher on a couple tunes. Material isn't all that psychedelic [as Yardbirds stuff goes] but is pretty bluesey, and not the least bit predictable. Ever hear of these guys? I think you'd dig this stuff. Have you heard any moore about the new Trower live? Jeff Beck has a new album out next week, and he's touring! There's a NYC gig, and also, I think, a Hartford show so you'd better get to it. I won't be able to make any of the shows so far, and I'm torn up over it. Check Pollstar or UBL for details... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 10 06:47:29 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 07:47:29 EDT Subject: Hoof in Mouth Disease... In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990309221106.0068be3c@mail1.wizvax.net> Message-ID: Sorry for sending a private mail to the list! From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Wed Mar 10 08:23:36 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:23:36 -0500 Subject: BOC: Message-ID: > > Whoo hoo! If they left off Godzilla, I'd buy it for that reason alone, I dunno - Albert had some interesting solos on some of those. Then again, Albert's solos were often "visual" as well as auditory - first the lasers, then the Godzilla mask and strobes, then the "use anything in the bar as part of the drumset" approach. > nevermind what else was on there. I'm of the belief that that song > hurt the > band more than anything, big hit and money maker, yes but it also > caused > many people to write them off as a joke or novelty band. Maybe. I never thought of it so much as a joke. Actually, the recent I first picked up a BOC record was because they did a song called "Godzilla" - I was (and guess I still am) a big Godzilla fan. The idea may have been a little silly, but it was a pretty cool riff. > > I suppose I could live with "Reaper".. great song but over exposed and > over > played. And as far as "Burnin' for You" is concerned, didn't the KBFH > shows > predate that album? There was at least one "post-Burnin'" KBFH show - in Santa Monica in '86 (captured on the *Into The Crypt Of Rays* boot - BFY is on that CD). > JS>2. King Biscuit live CD will consist of tracks from the (I believe > 7) > KBFH broadcasts of BOC shows - this spans the years '75 to '86. > "Wings > of Mercury" was done in the '86 broadcast, so this tune *might* be > included. Bolle is of the opinion that there will be less of the > "hits" > on this CD, and more obscure stuff included. Some tunes captured > during > these concerts (which may or may not be on the CD) include: Stairway > to > the Stars, Morning Final, Divine Wind, Lips in the Hills, Unknown > Tongue, Wings of Mercury, 5 guitars (mark II and III versions). > > ...Hmmm interesting. A fairly obscure band playing obscure numbers on > a > live album they expect to sell? Not! Sure the big three will be on > there > along with a fair number of songs that people may recognize. I like > your > "may or may not" list but will the casual BOC fan recognize many of > those > songs? Sheoot just give me a couple of those and a bunch I've heard > 10 > times, its live BOC so I'd be happy. Well, remember that this is NOT being released by Sony, and KBFH plays more to niche markets. Their releases are aimed more at longtime fans of the band than the casual listener. Most folks looking to get introduced to BOC aren't going to grab a live KBFH disc - they're more likely to pick up one of the (ever increasingly many) BOC compilations that Sony puts out. Then again, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if some of the "big 3" made it onto that release. John -- John A. Swartz - The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA - jswartz at mitre.org "Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to Anger. Anger leads to Hate. Hate leads to SUFFERING." -- Yoda (Star Wars: Episode 1 - The Phantom Menace) From Joe.Lofft at EXMAIL.ITEC.SUNY.EDU Wed Mar 10 08:10:28 1999 From: Joe.Lofft at EXMAIL.ITEC.SUNY.EDU (Lofft, Joe) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:10:28 -0500 Subject: BOC: FYI Tour dates Message-ID: It seems that the show on April 9th that was scheduled for Portagville,NY has been changed to Milton, PA. Also it isn't listed on the web site, but I believe they are playing Niagara Falls NY on April 8th at the Evening Star. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 10 07:31:11 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:31:11 EDT Subject: BOC: In-Reply-To: <36E67255.53FFA238@mitre.org> Message-ID: > From: "John A. Swartz" > > > > Whoo hoo! If they left off Godzilla, I'd buy it for that reason alone, > > I dunno - Albert had some interesting solos on some of those. Then > again, Albert's solos were often "visual" as well as auditory - first > the lasers, then the Godzilla mask and strobes, then the "use anything > in the bar as part of the drumset" approach. > But I Play the Drums probably wouldn't come off as well on a CD as it would on a video... > > nevermind what else was on there. I'm of the belief that that song > > hurt the > > band more than anything, big hit and money maker, yes but it also > > caused > > many people to write them off as a joke or novelty band. > > Maybe. I never thought of it so much as a joke. Actually, the recent I > first picked up a BOC record was because they did a song called > "Godzilla" - I was (and guess I still am) a big Godzilla fan. The idea > may have been a little silly, but it was a pretty cool riff. I don't think Godzilla hurt the band one bit. Serious fans got the joke. Anyone put off by Godzilla probably wasn't much of a fan anyway. I shudder to think what these high-brows have in their record collections. Bet they were Rush fans anyway... > > > From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 10 07:32:47 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:32:47 EDT Subject: BOC: FYI Tour dates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: "Lofft, Joe" > It seems that the show on April 9th that was scheduled for > Portagville,NY > has been changed to Milton, PA. > > Also it isn't listed on the web site, but I believe they are playing > Niagara Falls NY on April 8th at the Evening Star. According to the Fan Club site, the Portagevill show is now on 10 April--fine by me! theo From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Mar 10 08:37:05 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:37:05 +0000 Subject: BOC: zilla-god Message-ID: On ons 10 mar 1999 08.23 -0500 "John A. Swartz" wrote: > Actually, the recent I > first picked up a BOC record was because they did a song called > "Godzilla" - I was (and guess I still am) a big Godzilla fan. The idea > may have been a little silly, but it was a pretty cool riff. I'm with John here: I like Godzilla :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 10 07:41:48 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:41:48 EDT Subject: BOC: zilla-god In-Reply-To: <784707.3130061825@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > From: Carl Edlund Anderson > On ons 10 mar 1999 08.23 -0500 "John A. Swartz" wrote: > > Actually, the recent I > > first picked up a BOC record was because they did a song called > > "Godzilla" - I was (and guess I still am) a big Godzilla fan. The idea > > may have been a little silly, but it was a pretty cool riff. > > I'm with John here: I like Godzilla :) > I cut my teeth on the sainted first 3 albums, but I got a big kick out of Godzilla when it came out. [never knew it was gay to begin with!] theo From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Wed Mar 10 08:40:13 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:40:13 -0500 Subject: BOC: zilla-god Message-ID: > I cut my teeth on the sainted first 3 albums, but I got a big kick > out of Godzilla when it came out. [never knew it was gay to begin > with!] > Not Gay, more like a tribble, reproducing at will From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Wed Mar 10 09:25:58 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:25:58 -0500 Subject: Too Rolling Stoned In-Reply-To: <466F4BB0A14@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: At 07:45 AM 3/10/99 EDT, you wrote: >Jason, >I know you're a big time Yardbirds fan, so I'm wondering if you've >ever heard the excellent Box of Frogs albums? Anyway, >McCarty, Dreja and Samwell-Smith put out 2 albums back, oh say, mid >80s. First was Box of Frogs, second was Strange Land. They've been >reissued on one cd: A-26866 Sony Music Special Products. Keen! I knew about this project from a while back.. glad to see someone is taking the time to re-release work by good artists these days. I'll keep my antennae raised for it! >Ever hear of these guys? I think you'd dig this stuff. Have you >heard any moore about the new Trower live? On the California Robin Trower webpage, it's 2 CDs. ONe's a show from 74? and the other on it is more recent. I think it's called Then And Now and availbe to order from the website/V-12 Records. Unfortunately I don't know the web address... but it should be easy to find. There is not a preponderance of Trowersites in the ether. Jeff Beck has a new album >out next week, and he's touring! There's a NYC gig, and also, I >think, a Hartford show so you'd better get to it. I won't be able to >make any of the shows so far, and I'm torn up over it. Check >Pollstar or UBL for details... Cool! Also, the Bevis Frond is releasing a new one in April. 2 CD set. It would be good to see that band again. Thanks for the update! Any idea of the Yardbirds complete giorgio Glomelski session boxset is still being published? I've seen its a couple of times in the last two years but had nooooo dough to spring for it. By the way, www.procolharum.com has a page for Trower with some good interviews about his playing then and in his solo career. Good stuff. Jason NP- Ten Years After - _Undead_ (At the Woodchopper's Ball be de track) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Wed Mar 10 09:28:47 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:28:47 -0500 Subject: HA! Message-ID: Next time I use email, i should look where its sent to :) You got the power we got the key! Jason From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Mar 10 09:50:54 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:50:54 EST Subject: BOC: zilla-god Message-ID: In a message dated 3/10/99 8:36:23 AM, cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK writes: << I'm with John here: I like Godzilla :) -->> >>> y yo tambien; recently bought a $2.99 cutout cassette of a very silly corporate comp called "godfathers of grunge" because "godzilla" was on it...in fact the premise vs. its content was SO silly i thought about submitting the track listings here>>> i may yet>>. ja ne! >>larry b From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Wed Mar 10 11:24:49 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:24:49 -0800 Subject: Save Godzilla Message-ID: Ok, I guess I should clarify. The song doesn't suck. I just got burned out on it. Its so expected at their shows. The band *must* be as sick of it as I am and it shows.. EB seems almost bored to tears when he introduces it. From the time it was released (ok, what year.. 76?) to oh, mid-80's it was played incessantly on the radio in my area (and I assume elsewhere in the country) to the point where I began to change the station when I heard that familiar riff. You still hear it fairly regularly on the "classic rock" stations here. Ok, that's fine. Good for the band.. except.. Many younger music fans I know only know BOC through that song. They get the joke (that's joke as in humorous not as in "a laughing stock"...) but they assume that that is what BOC is about.. and so they never bother to go any further. Just as many of the younger crowd I've known only know Zappa through "Yellow Snow" which while being a great tune, is hardly a hint at what Zappa could do. That is why I've grown to dislike the big guy... JB -----Original Message----- From: John A. Swartz [mailto:jswartz at MITRE.ORG] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 5:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: BOC: > > Whoo hoo! If they left off Godzilla, I'd buy it for that reason alone, I dunno - Albert had some interesting solos on some of those. Then again, Albert's solos were often "visual" as well as auditory - first the lasers, then the Godzilla mask and strobes, then the "use anything in the bar as part of the drumset" approach. > nevermind what else was on there. I'm of the belief that that song > hurt the > band more than anything, big hit and money maker, yes but it also > caused > many people to write them off as a joke or novelty band. Maybe. I never thought of it so much as a joke. Actually, the recent I first picked up a BOC record was because they did a song called "Godzilla" - I was (and guess I still am) a big Godzilla fan. The idea may have been a little silly, but it was a pretty cool riff. > > I suppose I could live with "Reaper".. great song but over exposed and > over > played. And as far as "Burnin' for You" is concerned, didn't the KBFH > shows > predate that album? There was at least one "post-Burnin'" KBFH show - in Santa Monica in '86 (captured on the *Into The Crypt Of Rays* boot - BFY is on that CD). > JS>2. King Biscuit live CD will consist of tracks from the (I believe > 7) > KBFH broadcasts of BOC shows - this spans the years '75 to '86. > "Wings > of Mercury" was done in the '86 broadcast, so this tune *might* be > included. Bolle is of the opinion that there will be less of the > "hits" > on this CD, and more obscure stuff included. Some tunes captured > during > these concerts (which may or may not be on the CD) include: Stairway > to > the Stars, Morning Final, Divine Wind, Lips in the Hills, Unknown > Tongue, Wings of Mercury, 5 guitars (mark II and III versions). > > ...Hmmm interesting. A fairly obscure band playing obscure numbers on > a > live album they expect to sell? Not! Sure the big three will be on > there > along with a fair number of songs that people may recognize. I like > your > "may or may not" list but will the casual BOC fan recognize many of > those > songs? Sheoot just give me a couple of those and a bunch I've heard > 10 > times, its live BOC so I'd be happy. Well, remember that this is NOT being released by Sony, and KBFH plays more to niche markets. Their releases are aimed more at longtime fans of the band than the casual listener. Most folks looking to get introduced to BOC aren't going to grab a live KBFH disc - they're more likely to pick up one of the (ever increasingly many) BOC compilations that Sony puts out. Then again, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if some of the "big 3" made it onto that release. John -- John A. Swartz - The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA - jswartz at mitre.org "Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to Anger. Anger leads to Hate. Hate leads to SUFFERING." -- Yoda (Star Wars: Episode 1 - The Phantom Menace) From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Wed Mar 10 11:39:56 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:39:56 -0500 Subject: Imaginos Song Order Message-ID: Finally sat down and listened to Imaginos in the order mentioned in the FAQ. I do believe that it definitely flows better than the normal printed order. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 10 10:52:35 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:52:35 EDT Subject: Save Godzilla In-Reply-To: <6D986111E966D211A65E00A0C96E961108FABC@C2> Message-ID: > From: Joseph Brooks > Ok, I guess I should clarify. The song doesn't suck. I just got burned out > on it. Its so expected at their shows. The band *must* be as sick of it as I > am and it shows.. EB seems almost bored to tears when he introduces it. From > the time it was released (ok, what year.. 76?) to oh, mid-80's it was played > incessantly on the radio in my area (and I assume elsewhere in the country) > to the point where I began to change the station when I heard that familiar > riff. You still hear it fairly regularly on the "classic rock" stations > here. Given this clarification, I totally agree with Joe. When the song was released originally, I dug this tune. But then I played in a band that covered the song. And after rehearseing it a zillion times, and playing it out another zillion times, and then hearing it at EVERY BOC gig since then, I'm not exactly in love with big greenie anymore... theo > From micci at SCI.FI Wed Mar 10 12:33:02 1999 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:33:02 +0200 Subject: Dawn of Hawkwind - new CD Message-ID: Hi there! jill wrote: >Actually I'm guessing this must be the 66-70 release that has been >promised for a while now and if so it'll be an official release and >could be interesting although I'm curious to know exactly what >"unreleased or alternative versions" is going to mean in reality. >Possibly remixed versions of the earlier releases?? I don't know >how much else Hawkwind Zoo did except for the album that already >exists and to the best of my knowledge (someone please correct me >if I'm wrong) there were no recordings made of the period when Brock >was playing with Dharma Blues - I've got a Dharma Blues album but it was >released after DB left. There are a couple of tracks on "White Boy >Blues" but I can't remember if Brock features on these. If there is >really some previously unreleased material coming out here it could be >an extrememly interesting release IMO! But I'm only dreaming, I >guess! Brian Twan wrote in Approved history of HW booklet : "In 1964 Brock and Luke Francis began playing as a duo, later to be joined by Mike King and, in time, to be know as DBB. They played gigs and recorded some songs, two of which were used on blues compilations during that period and have also been isssued on blues compilations during the eighties.These songs were Roll Em Pete and the better know Dealing With The Devil." and also consider The Famous Cure: "Famous Cure second line-up (Brock & Mick Slattery) recorded a single called Sweet Mary which reached number five in the Dutch charts. The band also recorded a couple of "live" tracks, Dust My Shoes and one other, the title of which is long forgotten, and the two were released on an album called Harlem Blues Festival. It also seems highly likely that other Dutch Blues albums have Famous Cure material thereon." So now we have couple new items to get! Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Mar 11 04:51:31 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 04:51:31 EST Subject: HW: An Hour of Space Fri. afternoon Message-ID: Hi. Well, my announcing sucks at the moment, and my cueing is even worse, but if you want a good dose of space Fri. (w/at least one Hawktrack, of course, guaranteed), tune into KUCR 88.3 FM at either 1-2 PST or 2-3 PST. If w/in the first half-hour you hear a guy named Jeremy playing punk, then I'm second, and will prob. go on around 2 or 2:15. Thanks, Chuck From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Thu Mar 11 08:06:45 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:06:45 -0500 Subject: BOC: Godzilla Message-ID: > I cut my teeth on the sainted first 3 albums, but I got a big kick > out of Godzilla when it came out. Now, this I hadn't thought of since I became a BOC fan around 1979. Longtime fans who first heard and saw the band prior to say 1976 may not appreciate a song like Godzilla since it's quite a bit different from most of the other stuff BOC had done up to that point (or since for that matter). > [never knew it was gay to begin > with!] Hey! My childhood hero is NOT gay. Maybe that overgrown iguana that they gave the name "Godzilla" to last year is, but not the REAL Godzilla! O.K., sorry - some repressed childhood memories just hit me ... :-O To quote Seinfeld, "Not that there's anything WRONG with it!" > Not Gay, more like a tribble, reproducing at will Ah! "Bi-sexual" I believe was the term Dr. McCoy used... > Ok, I guess I should clarify. The song doesn't suck. I just got burned out > on it. Its so expected at their shows. The band *must* be as sick of it as I > am and it shows.. EB seems almost bored to tears when he introduces it. From > the time it was released (ok, what year.. 76?) to oh, mid-80's it was played > incessantly on the radio in my area (and I assume elsewhere in the country) > to the point where I began to change the station when I heard that familiar > riff. You still hear it fairly regularly on the "classic rock" stations > here. Ok, that's fine. Good for the band.. except.. Many younger music fans > I know only know BOC through that song. They get the joke (that's joke as in > humorous not as in "a laughing stock"...) but they assume that that is what > BOC is about.. and so they never bother to go any further. Just as many of > the younger crowd I've known only know Zappa through "Yellow Snow" which > while being a great tune, is hardly a hint at what Zappa could do. O.K., I see your point. My only real problem with Godzilla (the song) these days is that they have both the bass and drum solos in it. It makes the song tedious and boring. Danny and Bobby are both fine musicians who should get a moment to shine - but I wish they wouldn't come back-to-back. BOC's been doing drum solos in "Godzilla" for over 20 years now, and it's time to break things up and put it somewhere else. John From MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Mar 11 08:18:08 1999 From: MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark P Lee) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:18:08 +0000 Subject: OFF: Heeeeeeelp ! In-Reply-To: <199903111001.FAA11087@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Hey guys, Does anybody have a snail-mail address for the Baron of Brock. I've been and am still trying to get permission for some recording ! All assistance gratefully accepted. Cheers, mark. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please reply to mark at esparto.demon.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Thu Mar 11 10:42:12 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:42:12 -0800 Subject: Godzilla Message-ID: Hey, I think you've got something there.. I became a fan the same year Tyranny & Mutation came out. I guess I'm stuck on the early BOC sound. I just never really thought of it that way. And, Godzilla proved his heterosexuality didn't he? He reproduced... Of course, he may be in the closet. Was Godzilla what brought you to BOC in the first place? For me it was the first time I heard "Hot Rails to Hell". JB ("Rumbles the steel like a dog fight..") -----Original Message----- From: John A. Swartz [mailto:jswartz at MITRE.ORG] Sent: Thursday, March 11, 1999 5:07 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: BOC: Godzilla > I cut my teeth on the sainted first 3 albums, but I got a big kick > out of Godzilla when it came out. Now, this I hadn't thought of since I became a BOC fan around 1979. Longtime fans who first heard and saw the band prior to say 1976 may not appreciate a song like Godzilla since it's quite a bit different from most of the other stuff BOC had done up to that point (or since for that matter). > [never knew it was gay to begin > with!] Hey! My childhood hero is NOT gay. Maybe that overgrown iguana that they gave the name "Godzilla" to last year is, but not the REAL Godzilla! O.K., sorry - some repressed childhood memories just hit me ... :-O To quote Seinfeld, "Not that there's anything WRONG with it!" > Not Gay, more like a tribble, reproducing at will Ah! "Bi-sexual" I believe was the term Dr. McCoy used... > Ok, I guess I should clarify. The song doesn't suck. I just got burned out > on it. Its so expected at their shows. The band *must* be as sick of it as I > am and it shows.. EB seems almost bored to tears when he introduces it. From > the time it was released (ok, what year.. 76?) to oh, mid-80's it was played > incessantly on the radio in my area (and I assume elsewhere in the country) > to the point where I began to change the station when I heard that familiar > riff. You still hear it fairly regularly on the "classic rock" stations > here. Ok, that's fine. Good for the band.. except.. Many younger music fans > I know only know BOC through that song. They get the joke (that's joke as in > humorous not as in "a laughing stock"...) but they assume that that is what > BOC is about.. and so they never bother to go any further. Just as many of > the younger crowd I've known only know Zappa through "Yellow Snow" which > while being a great tune, is hardly a hint at what Zappa could do. O.K., I see your point. My only real problem with Godzilla (the song) these days is that they have both the bass and drum solos in it. It makes the song tedious and boring. Danny and Bobby are both fine musicians who should get a moment to shine - but I wish they wouldn't come back-to-back. BOC's been doing drum solos in "Godzilla" for over 20 years now, and it's time to break things up and put it somewhere else. John From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Mar 11 10:47:00 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:47:00 -0600 Subject: BOC: ' Zilla Message-ID: >I don't think Godzilla hurt the band one bit. Serious fans got the joke. Anyone put off by Godzilla probably wasn't much of a fan anyway. I shudder to think what these high-brows have in their record collections. Bet they were Rush fans anyway... It could hardly hurt them, they got and conitnue to get paid for the big green machine. But I have to think they are absolutely sick of the song by now. Since the sinlge was released has any setlist not included Godzilla? Only the FAQ would know. Ah the anti -Rush medication not working anymore? Need stronger dosages? Willing to bet if Rush were an obscure, never made the big money band folks on this list would eat them up. As it is they play some of the strangest rock and roll out there and make money at it too. Ya gotta leave Geddy, Neil and ALex alone man. Ya its highbrow music but it sells. How many other bands can claim the same? Ghost in the Ruins NP Platypus - When Pus Comes To Shove From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Thu Mar 11 11:11:37 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:11:37 -0800 Subject: ' Zilla Message-ID: Oh, it (Godzilla) didn't hurt them financially, aside from perhaps turning away some people who might otherwise have given them more of a chance. It made them, seem less than serious (if that's the only song you know by them). A suprizing amount of people I speak to have no idea who did DFTR, know it from King's "The Stand" movie and are surprised when I tell them that it's the same band that did Godzilla. And... Ok, that's done it.. (standing up) My name is Joe and I am a Rush fan. I don't really understand the dislike of Rush (to each his own, of course..), they are very good at what they do. Ok, not a lot of improv there but most of their stuff is very well written.. Whats not to like? Ok, Geddy's voice can take a little getting used to, especially in the early days.. (screech screech) but I think they've cranked out some very good stuff over the years. I'm not the big fan I once was but I do still enjoy them and liked "Test For Echo" better than their last several albums.. And I certainly wouldn't call them High-brow, unless you're comparing them to, uh, Metallica or Megadeth or some such, dude... JB "1277, express to heaven, speeding along like dynamite..." -----Original Message----- From: BREVARD, Adrian R. [mailto:abrevard at SHL.COM] Sent: Thursday, March 11, 1999 7:47 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: BOC: ' Zilla >I don't think Godzilla hurt the band one bit. Serious fans got the joke. Anyone put off by Godzilla probably wasn't much of a fan anyway. I shudder to think what these high-brows have in their record collections. Bet they were Rush fans anyway... It could hardly hurt them, they got and conitnue to get paid for the big green machine. But I have to think they are absolutely sick of the song by now. Since the sinlge was released has any setlist not included Godzilla? Only the FAQ would know. Ah the anti -Rush medication not working anymore? Need stronger dosages? Willing to bet if Rush were an obscure, never made the big money band folks on this list would eat them up. As it is they play some of the strangest rock and roll out there and make money at it too. Ya gotta leave Geddy, Neil and ALex alone man. Ya its highbrow music but it sells. How many other bands can claim the same? Ghost in the Ruins NP Platypus - When Pus Comes To Shove From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Mar 11 11:11:56 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 16:11:56 -0000 Subject: BOC: Mutton Birds' Reaper Message-ID: While looking for ways to spend money on RedEye Records' site, http://www.redeye.com.au/, found they've got a copy of the Mutton Birds' _Envy of Angels_ with "Reaper" as a bonus track - Australian out-of-print edition. A better way to buy it than on the Frighteners soundtrack. A$29.98 + post. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Mar 11 11:03:35 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:03:35 EST Subject: BOC: ' Zilla Message-ID: while for the most part rush annoys the heck outta me, i give them credit for being their naturally clunky selves and succeeding at it >.larry b From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Mar 11 10:24:47 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:24:47 EDT Subject: Godzilla In-Reply-To: <6D986111E966D211A65E00A0C96E961108FABF@C2> Message-ID: > From: Joseph Brooks > Hey, I think you've got something there.. I became a fan the same year > Tyranny & Mutation came out. I guess I'm stuck on the early BOC sound. I > just never really thought of it that way. > > And, Godzilla proved his heterosexuality didn't he? He reproduced... Of > course, he may be in the closet. > I didn't see the recent movie, but didn't I read somewhere that this Godzilla was a hermaphrodite? Oh, no, wait, they were talking about Geddy... theo From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Thu Mar 11 11:31:01 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:31:01 -0800 Subject: Off: Rushzilla Message-ID: Strange how people hear things differently. I can think of 100 adjectives to describe Rush (Over-produced comes to mind) but "clunky" isn't one of them. JB "The hot summer day didn't quit for the night.." -----Original Message----- From: DASLUD at AOL.COM [mailto:DASLUD at AOL.COM] Sent: Thursday, March 11, 1999 8:04 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: BOC: ' Zilla while for the most part rush annoys the heck outta me, i give them credit for being their naturally clunky selves and succeeding at it >.larry b From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Thu Mar 11 11:36:22 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:36:22 -0800 Subject: Godzilla Message-ID: I'm talking about the original Godzilla.. wasn't there a "Son of Godzilla" movie or two? I can almost remember his name... The story goes that Geddy developed that singing style from when they were a cover band and did lots of Zep songs... My friend used to insist that he was a eunuch. JB "You caught me in the spell, trying to leave but you know damn well.. The heat from below can burn your eyes out.." -----Original Message----- From: Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 [mailto:tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU] Sent: Thursday, March 11, 1999 7:25 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: Godzilla > From: Joseph Brooks > Hey, I think you've got something there.. I became a fan the same year > Tyranny & Mutation came out. I guess I'm stuck on the early BOC sound. I > just never really thought of it that way. > > And, Godzilla proved his heterosexuality didn't he? He reproduced... Of > course, he may be in the closet. > I didn't see the recent movie, but didn't I read somewhere that this Godzilla was a hermaphrodite? Oh, no, wait, they were talking about Geddy... theo From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 11 11:40:43 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 16:40:43 GMT Subject: OFF: Heeeeeeelp ! In-Reply-To: Mark P Lee's message of Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:18:08 +0000 Message-ID: Mark P Lee writes: > Hey guys, > > Does anybody have a snail-mail address for the Baron of Brock. > I've been and am still trying to get permission for some recording ! I assume you've tried the Hawkwind PO Box address at Honiton.... it's the only one I know of although I guess you could search the Devon phone books. jill obHATE> semi-sentient databases 8-( ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Mar 11 10:47:07 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:47:07 EDT Subject: Godzilla In-Reply-To: <6D986111E966D211A65E00A0C96E961108FAC3@C2> Message-ID: > From: Joseph Brooks > > The story goes that Geddy developed that singing style from when they were a > cover band and did lots of Zep songs... My friend used to insist that he was > a eunuch. > I thought maybe the dog ate his package. I bet Robert Plant is totally flattered... If only they'd stuck to being a Zep cover band... theo From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Thu Mar 11 12:17:13 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:17:13 -0500 Subject: BOC: KBFH Message-ID: For those of you that don't know, thought I'd list here the tasty BOC tracks that KBFH has to choose from from their old BOC broadcasts: (from 2/25/75 - Commack, NY) Stairway to the Stars, Dominance and Submission, Astronomy, ME-262 (from 9/20/76 - Albany, NY) Cities on Flame, Morning Final, This Ain't the Summer of Love, 5 Guitars, Born to be Wild, The Reaper (from 12/30/77 - Detroit, MI) R U Ready 2 Rock, ETI, Cities on Flame, Hot Rails to Hell, Godzilla, This Ain't the Summer of Love, 5 Guitars, Born to be Wild, The Reaper (from 2/11/80 - Poughkeepsie, NY) Dominance and Submission*, Dr. Music, The Great Sun Jester, ETI, ME 262, The Reaper *appeared on ETL (from 8/10/80 - Harford, CT) Dr. Music, Lips in the Hills, Unknown Tongue, Marshall Plan, Divine Wind, Born to be Wild, Roadhouse Blues (from 3/27/86 - Santa Monica, CA) R U Ready 2 Rock, White Flags, Take Me Away, Dancin' in the Ruins, Shadow Warrior, Burnin' For You, Godzilla, Wings of Mercury, The Reaper Now, if I were to vote for which tracks I'd put on: Stairway to the Stars, Morning Final, This Ain't the Summer of Love, 5 Guitars, Born to be Wild, Great Sun Jester, Lips in the Hills, Unknown Tongue, Divine Wind, Marshall Plan, R U Ready 2 Rock, White Flags, Take Me Away, Dancin' in the Ruins, Shadow Warrior, Wings of Mercury Guess they better make it a 2 CD set... Otherwise, they won't be able to get in all my requests and "the big 3" too ... ;-) John From chris_baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Thu Mar 11 12:20:54 1999 From: chris_baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:20:54 -0800 Subject: ' Zilla Message-ID: JB wrote: >Whats not to like? Ok, Geddy's voice can take a little getting used to, especially in the early days.. Rush is an example of a band where the vocals ruin the music for me. The same goes for Led Zep and Yes (not to mention screech-metal bands like Judas Priest - eek!) These falsetto singers sound like they'd be better suited for the Vienna Boy's Choir. I'll take Brock or Lemmy's raspy bark any day. Cheers, Chris From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Mar 11 12:29:59 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:29:59 -0500 Subject: ' Zilla Message-ID: >JB wrote: >>Whats not to like? Ok, Geddy's voice >can take a little getting used to, especially in the early days.. > >Rush is an example of a band where the vocals ruin the music for me. The same >goes for Led Zep >and Yes (not to mention screech-metal bands like Judas Priest - eek!) These >falsetto singers sound like >they'd be better suited for the Vienna Boy's Choir. Should I ask your opinion of Boston? ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Thu Mar 11 12:48:04 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:48:04 -0800 Subject: ' Zilla Message-ID: Hehe, now you're punching my buttons.. I absolutely detest the band Boston and anyone who sounds like them. Blech! Its over-produced, homogenized, clich?'d.. and just plain indigestible. Rush is 10 times the band Boston is, 100 times.. I could go on.. Did I mention that I don't care for Boston? JB "OD'd on life itself..." -----Original Message----- From: Andrew A. Apold [mailto:mordru at FLITE.NET] Sent: Thursday, March 11, 1999 9:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: ' Zilla >JB wrote: >>Whats not to like? Ok, Geddy's voice >can take a little getting used to, especially in the early days.. > >Rush is an example of a band where the vocals ruin the music for me. The same >goes for Led Zep >and Yes (not to mention screech-metal bands like Judas Priest - eek!) These >falsetto singers sound like >they'd be better suited for the Vienna Boy's Choir. Should I ask your opinion of Boston? ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From sprawl at BBOARD.COM Thu Mar 11 12:45:11 1999 From: sprawl at BBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:45:11 -0500 Subject: OFF: Heeeeeeelp ! Message-ID: I sent it to you, but yer email address gave me a daemon. From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Thu Mar 11 12:57:52 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:57:52 -0800 Subject: KBFH Message-ID: Take out "Marshall Plan" and put in, oh, ME262 I guess and you got yerself a CD set! (grin) JB "It was quite a sin.. How the ice caved in.. I was numb, I could not assist..." -----Original Message----- From: John A. Swartz [mailto:jswartz at MITRE.ORG] Sent: Thursday, March 11, 1999 9:17 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: BOC: KBFH For those of you that don't know, thought I'd list here the tasty BOC tracks that KBFH has to choose from from their old BOC broadcasts: (from 2/25/75 - Commack, NY) Stairway to the Stars, Dominance and Submission, Astronomy, ME-262 (from 9/20/76 - Albany, NY) Cities on Flame, Morning Final, This Ain't the Summer of Love, 5 Guitars, Born to be Wild, The Reaper (from 12/30/77 - Detroit, MI) R U Ready 2 Rock, ETI, Cities on Flame, Hot Rails to Hell, Godzilla, This Ain't the Summer of Love, 5 Guitars, Born to be Wild, The Reaper (from 2/11/80 - Poughkeepsie, NY) Dominance and Submission*, Dr. Music, The Great Sun Jester, ETI, ME 262, The Reaper *appeared on ETL (from 8/10/80 - Harford, CT) Dr. Music, Lips in the Hills, Unknown Tongue, Marshall Plan, Divine Wind, Born to be Wild, Roadhouse Blues (from 3/27/86 - Santa Monica, CA) R U Ready 2 Rock, White Flags, Take Me Away, Dancin' in the Ruins, Shadow Warrior, Burnin' For You, Godzilla, Wings of Mercury, The Reaper Now, if I were to vote for which tracks I'd put on: Stairway to the Stars, Morning Final, This Ain't the Summer of Love, 5 Guitars, Born to be Wild, Great Sun Jester, Lips in the Hills, Unknown Tongue, Divine Wind, Marshall Plan, R U Ready 2 Rock, White Flags, Take Me Away, Dancin' in the Ruins, Shadow Warrior, Wings of Mercury Guess they better make it a 2 CD set... Otherwise, they won't be able to get in all my requests and "the big 3" too ... ;-) John From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Thu Mar 11 13:00:31 1999 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:00:31 -0700 Subject: Heeeeeeelp ! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Have you tried "hwind at globalnet.co.uk"? It's the contact address on the Mission Control page. Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu > > Hey guys, > > Does anybody have a snail-mail address for the Baron of Brock. > > I've been and am still trying to get permission for some recording ! > > All assistance gratefully accepted. > > Cheers, mark. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Please reply to mark at esparto.demon.co.uk > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Mar 11 12:06:33 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:06:33 EDT Subject: ' Zilla In-Reply-To: <85256731.005F2471.00@mailgw1.sonymusic.com> Message-ID: > From: Chris Baxley > JB wrote: > >Whats not to like? Ok, Geddy's voice > can take a little getting used to, especially in the early days.. > > Rush is an example of a band where the vocals ruin the music for me. The same > goes for Led Zep > and Yes (not to mention screech-metal bands like Judas Priest - eek!) These > falsetto singers sound like > they'd be better suited for the Vienna Boy's Choir. > Esp. in Rob Halford's case, eh? > I'll take Brock or Lemmy's raspy bark any day. > Lemmy be the man! Someone was mentioning a while back that Motorhead's got a new live set coming out. Any idea when that's happening? theo From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Thu Mar 11 13:01:04 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:01:04 -0500 Subject: KBFH Message-ID: To heck with being choosy! Just make it a 4 CD boxed set with ALL of them (its on 40 or so) . Call it . . . A Few Hours with BOC. Or maybe King Biscuit Presents . . . BOC King Biscuit on flame with BOC > ---------- > From: John A. Swartz[SMTP:jswartz at MITRE.ORG] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 1999 12:17 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: BOC: KBFH > > For those of you that don't know, thought I'd list here the tasty BOC > tracks that KBFH has to choose from from their old BOC broadcasts: > > (from 2/25/75 - Commack, NY) > Stairway to the Stars, Dominance and Submission, Astronomy, ME-262 > > (from 9/20/76 - Albany, NY) > Cities on Flame, Morning Final, This Ain't the Summer of Love, 5 > Guitars, Born to be Wild, The Reaper > > (from 12/30/77 - Detroit, MI) > R U Ready 2 Rock, ETI, Cities on Flame, Hot Rails to Hell, Godzilla, > This Ain't the Summer of Love, 5 Guitars, Born to be Wild, The Reaper > > (from 2/11/80 - Poughkeepsie, NY) > Dominance and Submission*, Dr. Music, The Great Sun Jester, ETI, ME 262, > The Reaper > > *appeared on ETL > > (from 8/10/80 - Harford, CT) > Dr. Music, Lips in the Hills, Unknown Tongue, Marshall Plan, Divine > Wind, Born to be Wild, Roadhouse Blues > > (from 3/27/86 - Santa Monica, CA) > R U Ready 2 Rock, White Flags, Take Me Away, Dancin' in the Ruins, > Shadow Warrior, Burnin' For You, Godzilla, Wings of Mercury, The Reaper > > > Now, if I were to vote for which tracks I'd put on: > > Stairway to the Stars, Morning Final, This Ain't the Summer of Love, 5 > Guitars, Born to be Wild, Great Sun Jester, Lips in the Hills, Unknown > Tongue, Divine Wind, Marshall Plan, R U Ready 2 Rock, White Flags, Take > Me Away, Dancin' in the Ruins, Shadow Warrior, Wings of Mercury > > Guess they better make it a 2 CD set... Otherwise, they won't be able to > get in all my requests and "the big 3" too ... ;-) > > > John > From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Mar 11 13:15:22 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:15:22 +0000 Subject: OFF: Motorhead next release (WAS: ' Zilla) In-Reply-To: <4844DB33144@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 wrote: > Lemmy be the man! Someone was mentioning a while back that > Motorhead's got a new live set coming out. Any idea when that's > happening? Theo, last news was 'end of March', with a tracklist as follows: CD1 - Iron Fist / Stay Clean / On Your Feet / Over Your Shoulder / Civil War / Burner / Metropolis / Nothing Up My Sleeve / I'm So Bad / The Chase Is Better Than The Catch / Take The Blame / No Class / Overnight Sensation / Sacrifice CD2 - Born To Raise Hell / Lost In The Ozone / The One To Sing The Blues / Capricorn / Love For Sale / Orgasmatron / Going To Brazil / Killed By Death / Bomber / Ace Of Spades / Overkill It's going to be called 'Everything Louder than Everyone Else', and it's on SPV of course. Yours, Jon -- /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | =====================================================================| | "Probability level 1 to 1. We have normality, I repeat, we have | | normality. Anything you still can't deal with is therefore your own | \_________________________ problem." ______________________________/ \_____________/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Mar 11 12:30:04 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:30:04 EDT Subject: BOC: KBFH In-Reply-To: <36E7FA77.E84BEEAF@mitre.org> Message-ID: > From: "John A. Swartz" > For those of you that don't know, thought I'd list here the tasty BOC > tracks that KBFH has to choose from from their old BOC broadcasts: > > (from 2/25/75 - Commack, NY) > Stairway to the Stars, Dominance and Submission, Astronomy, ME-262 > > (from 9/20/76 - Albany, NY) > Cities on Flame, Morning Final, This Ain't the Summer of Love, 5 > Guitars, Born to be Wild, The Reaper > > (from 12/30/77 - Detroit, MI) > R U Ready 2 Rock, ETI, Cities on Flame, Hot Rails to Hell, Godzilla, > This Ain't the Summer of Love, 5 Guitars, Born to be Wild, The Reaper > > (from 2/11/80 - Poughkeepsie, NY) > Dominance and Submission*, Dr. Music, The Great Sun Jester, ETI, ME 262, > The Reaper > > *appeared on ETL > > (from 8/10/80 - Harford, CT) > Dr. Music, Lips in the Hills, Unknown Tongue, Marshall Plan, Divine > Wind, Born to be Wild, Roadhouse Blues > > (from 3/27/86 - Santa Monica, CA) > R U Ready 2 Rock, White Flags, Take Me Away, Dancin' in the Ruins, > Shadow Warrior, Burnin' For You, Godzilla, Wings of Mercury, The Reaper > > > Now, if I were to vote for which tracks I'd put on: > > Stairway to the Stars, Morning Final, This Ain't the Summer of Love, 5 > Guitars, Born to be Wild, Great Sun Jester, Lips in the Hills, Unknown > Tongue, Divine Wind, Marshall Plan, R U Ready 2 Rock, White Flags, Take > Me Away, Dancin' in the Ruins, Shadow Warrior, Wings of Mercury > > Guess they better make it a 2 CD set... Otherwise, they won't be able to > get in all my requests and "the big 3" too ... ;-) Oh, man, I wish you hadn't posted all this, as I know damned well that they'll leave off a bunch of good stuff! Hope to hell it is a 2-cd set... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Mar 11 12:32:04 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:32:04 EDT Subject: OFF: Motorhead next release (WAS: ' Zilla) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Jonathan Jarrett > > Theo, > last news was 'end of March', with a tracklist as follows: > CD1 - Iron Fist / Stay Clean / On Your Feet / Over Your Shoulder / Civil > War / Burner / Metropolis / Nothing Up My Sleeve / I'm So Bad / The Chase > Is Better Than The Catch / Take The Blame / No Class / Overnight Sensation > / Sacrifice > CD2 - Born To Raise Hell / Lost In The Ozone / The One To Sing The > Blues / Capricorn / Love For Sale / Orgasmatron / Going To Brazil / Killed > By Death / Bomber / Ace Of Spades / Overkill > > It's going to be called 'Everything Louder than Everyone Else', > and it's on SPV of course. Yours, And, presumedly, CMC here in the US. Are they touring these days? Sounds like a great album... theo From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Mar 11 13:35:17 1999 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:35:17 +0000 Subject: ' Zilla In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:48:04 PST." <6D986111E966D211A65E00A0C96E961108FAC7@C2> Message-ID: > Hehe, now you're punching my buttons.. I absolutely detest the band Boston > and anyone who sounds like them. Blech! Its over-produced, homogenized, > clich?'d.. and just plain indigestible. Rush is 10 times the band Boston is, > 100 times.. I could go on.. Surely its a fine line between well produced and over produced, and the line is gonna be a personal preference. I mean Type O _Bloody Kisses_ or Tool's _Aenima_ are chock full of production. Do they have a correctly clean sound or are they sapped of their raw energy? It depends on what the artist is trying to say. Listen to Rush if (like I do, I admit it) want to clear well produced music, or go listen to Roky Erickson or Neil's _Weld_ (like I also do) if you want to go for the underlying vibe. 31 flavours to choose from, as Sacred Reich reminded us. its surely a non-subject. Tim ObCD: Download _III_ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Mar 11 13:37:05 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:37:05 +0000 Subject: OFF: Motorhead next release (WAS: ' Zilla) In-Reply-To: <484BADA3974@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 wrote: > > It's going to be called 'Everything Louder than Everyone Else', > > and it's on SPV of course. Yours, > > And, presumedly, CMC here in the US. Are they touring these days? > Sounds like a great album... They toured the last two albums in the UK, I don't know if they did any US gigs. They were very good last time out, made up for them being a little routine the time before. Yours, Jon -- /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | =====================================================================| | "Probability level 1 to 1. We have normality, I repeat, we have | | normality. Anything you still can't deal with is therefore your own | \_________________________ problem." ______________________________/ \_____________/ From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Thu Mar 11 13:50:51 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:50:51 -0800 Subject: ' Zilla Message-ID: >31 flavours to choose from, as Sacred Reich reminded us. >its surely a non-subject. Absolutely.. But that's never stopped me from spouting forth my opinion.. :-) JB "My baby went down to the cold, cold cold ground. I said Baby, that's the breaks.." -----Original Message----- From: bart [mailto:bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK] Sent: Thursday, March 11, 1999 10:35 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: ' Zilla > Hehe, now you're punching my buttons.. I absolutely detest the band Boston > and anyone who sounds like them. Blech! Its over-produced, homogenized, > clich?'d.. and just plain indigestible. Rush is 10 times the band Boston is, > 100 times.. I could go on.. Surely its a fine line between well produced and over produced, and the line is gonna be a personal preference. I mean Type O _Bloody Kisses_ or Tool's _Aenima_ are chock full of production. Do they have a correctly clean sound or are they sapped of their raw energy? It depends on what the artist is trying to say. Listen to Rush if (like I do, I admit it) want to clear well produced music, or go listen to Roky Erickson or Neil's _Weld_ (like I also do) if you want to go for the underlying vibe. 31 flavours to choose from, as Sacred Reich reminded us. its surely a non-subject. Tim ObCD: Download _III_ From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Mar 11 14:05:12 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:05:12 -0500 Subject: OFF: Motorhead next release (WAS: ' Zilla) Message-ID: >On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 wrote: > >> > It's going to be called 'Everything Louder than Everyone Else', >> > and it's on SPV of course. Yours, >> >> And, presumedly, CMC here in the US. Are they touring these days? >> Sounds like a great album... > > They toured the last two albums in the UK, I don't know if they >did any US gigs. They were very good last time out, made up for them being >a little routine the time before. Yours, They were part of Ozzfest last summer, the primary reason I went to it, though they were relegated to the second stage. Still did a good show with what they had. ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Thu Mar 11 16:14:53 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 16:14:53 -0500 Subject: BOC: Allen Lanier and CBGB's Message-ID: Digh these pics, about halfway down the page. Caption is (Here are John [Cale] and Lou [Reed] together with Alain Lanier of Blue Oyster Cult) at http://www.cbgb.com/shrine/hillyfacts2.html It's in their "shrine" archive of old glorys. Pushing them buttons and pushing them well Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Mar 11 16:28:45 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:28:45 -0800 Subject: BOC: Allen Lanier and CBGB's Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Mar 1999 16:14:53 -0500, Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: >Digh these pics, about halfway down the page. > >Caption is (Here are John [Cale] and Lou [Reed] together with Alain Lanier >of Blue Oyster Cult) at http://www.cbgb.com/shrine/hillyfacts2.html Wow! Cool photos! John Cale sure looks like a goofball with that striped shirt and Explorer ... I'm used to seeing him looking a bit more dignified (y'know, in a sports jacket behind a piano). I like the right side photo, with both Reed and Lanier looking all-too-cool in their shades ... (and John Cale produced Patti Smith's first album, 'Horses', which has Allen playing guitar on one song, "Elegie") -Doug ceres at sirius.com From age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Mar 11 15:02:01 1999 From: age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Adrian Parr) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:02:01 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind book Message-ID: Good evening I'm after some colour cover copies for the Hawkwind book of the following items - can anyone help out? 1. In Search Of Space Promo booklet 2. Leeds Queens Hall 22nd June 1973 program 3. Reading Rock Festival 1975 program 4. Reading Rock Festival 1977 program 5. Anty stickers, cards or badges from the 1970's Feedback today at: age.p at conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk Don't be shy - do it !! Latest Hawkwind and Bedouin news can be found at: http://www.conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk/index.html HHHHEEEEELLLLLPPPPPP me out folks - get in touch All the best Age -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM Thu Mar 11 20:47:17 1999 From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (BL Young) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:47:17 -0800 Subject: HW: Harvey Bainbridge cd on ebay Message-ID: I'm not the seller, but I see Harvey's cd "Interstellar Chaos" is listed at ebay. I like his "Red Shift" better, but maybe somebody still needs this. Here's the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=76285174 Bid is about $6 right now. Bryan -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Young CANADA blyoung AT bigfoot DOT com ----------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/Area51/7118 SF Reading Club http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 Hawkwind http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/6878 IFHL-FLA ----------------------------------------------------------- "20 minutes goes by pretty fast when you're on a breakaway" From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Mar 11 19:46:21 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 19:46:21 EST Subject: HW/OFF: Support College Radio Music... Message-ID: ...and please make me CDRs of the stuff I don't have on disc which I really want to play on my program! Help. I'll give two-three 90 minute cassettes in trade (or whatever you think is appropriate). Here are those discs that have been so elusive... Sundial--Return Journey and that other early album Darxtar--Darker, Daybreak Melting Euphoria--1st two albums Word of Life--don't know any of their album titles, whatever's good... Vibrasonic--same as above Spacious Mind--same as above Saddar Bazaar--Conference of the Birds Thanks, and I'll get my trading lists together... Chuck From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 11 20:19:00 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 01:19:00 +0000 Subject: HW/OFF: Support College Radio Music... Message-ID: On tor 11 mar 1999 19.46 +0000 "Chuck Rosenberg" wrote: > ...and please make me CDRs of the stuff I don't have on disc which I really > want to play on my program! Help. I'll give two-three 90 minute cassettes in > trade (or whatever you think is appropriate). Here are those discs that have > been so elusive... > > Sundial--Return Journey and that other early album > Darxtar--Darker, Daybreak > Melting Euphoria--1st two albums > Word of Life--don't know any of their album titles, whatever's good... > Vibrasonic--same as above > Spacious Mind--same as above > Saddar Bazaar--Conference of the Birds Some of this stuff may well be out of print, but the Spacious Mind stuff is not. You can order recordings of theirs from Delerium. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Mar 11 20:33:08 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:33:08 -0500 Subject: HW/OFF: Support College Radio Music... Message-ID: Chuck asked... >...and please make me CDRs of the stuff I don't have on disc which I really >want to play on my program! Help. I'll give two-three 90 minute cassettes in >trade (or whatever you think is appropriate). Here are those discs that have >been so elusive... >Sundial--Return Journey and that other early album Other Way Out....also Modern Art's 'All Aboard the Mind Train' I've got all three. >Darxtar--Darker, Daybreak >Melting Euphoria--1st two albums I've got all four of these. darker is impossible to find...Daybreak merely hard. >Word of Life--don't know any of their album titles, whatever's good... Dust (which I have) and one other (which I don't) >Vibrasonic--same as above Nope. >Spacious Mind--same as above I've got Cosmic Minds at Play, Sailing the Seagoat, and one other (the title of which I can't remember right now) >Saddar Bazaar--Conference of the Birds I've got 'Path of the Rose' (1998) >Thanks, and I'll get my trading lists together... Chuck The only problem is...I don't have any way of making CD-R's. Do you?? I could 'lend' them to you to do so. Keith H. (FAA) From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Thu Mar 11 23:14:21 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:14:21 -0600 Subject: Godzilla Message-ID: Joseph Brooks wrote: > > I'm talking about the original Godzilla.. wasn't there a "Son of Godzilla" > movie or two? I can almost remember his name... I don't know about a son of Godzilla movie, but there was definitely a character, can't remember his name either. What I do remember of Godzilla Jr. is that he couldn't breath radioactivity, only smoke rings :-). Saw him on one Zilla movie where some kid traveled to "Monster Island", all the monsters where there of coarse :-). Laj. From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Thu Mar 11 23:19:35 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:19:35 -0600 Subject: BOC: ' Zilla Message-ID: "BREVARD, Adrian R." wrote: > > >I don't think Godzilla hurt the band one bit. Serious fans got the > joke. Anyone put off by Godzilla probably wasn't much of a fan > anyway. I shudder to think what these high-brows have in their > record collections. Bet they were Rush fans anyway... > > It could hardly hurt them, they got and conitnue to get paid for the big > green machine. But I have to think they are absolutely sick of the song by > now. Since the sinlge was released has any setlist not included Godzilla? > Only the FAQ would know. > > Ah the anti -Rush medication not working anymore? Need stronger dosages? > Willing to bet if Rush were an obscure, never made the big money band folks > on this list would eat them up. As it is they play some of the strangest > rock and roll out there and make money at it too. Ya gotta leave Geddy, > Neil and ALex alone man. Ya its highbrow music but it sells. How many > other bands can claim the same? > > Ghost in the Ruins > > NP Platypus - When Pus Comes To Shove The fault there lies with the public, not the band. But since the question was asked, Pink Floyd. Laj. Laj. From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 12 01:30:25 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 01:30:25 EST Subject: Off: 101 adjectives Message-ID: In a message dated 3/11/99 11:30:56 AM, Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET writes: <> for these purposes "clunky" would fall between "dorky" and "ponderous" ja ne! >>>larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 12 01:31:39 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 01:31:39 EST Subject: Godzilla Message-ID: In a message dated 3/11/99 11:36:10 AM, Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET writes: << Geddy developed that singing style>> remember david surkamp? anyone? From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 12 01:35:35 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 01:35:35 EST Subject: ' Zilla Message-ID: In a message dated 3/11/99 12:30:28 PM, mordru at FLITE.NET writes: <> let's not go there, comrade....things could get RRREEEEEEELLLLLYYYYY F$%^&&^%G UGLY...... ^-~ ja ne! >>larry "i mean it" b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 12 01:37:01 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 01:37:01 EST Subject: ' Zilla Message-ID: In a message dated 3/11/99 12:48:01 PM, Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET writes: <> should i pick up where you've left off? brother i got a whole spiel...ubetcha!! >>etc From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 12 01:40:08 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 01:40:08 EST Subject: ' Zilla Message-ID: In a message dated 3/11/99 1:37:03 PM, bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK writes: <> regarding BOSTON no no we're not talking mere matters of taste; it's more...it's WORSE... >.etc etc From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Fri Mar 12 02:05:21 1999 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 02:05:21 EST Subject: Godzilla Message-ID: In a message dated 03/12/99 12:33:39 AM Central Standard Time, DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: << remember david surkamp? anyone? >> Oh, yeah.. Pavlov's Dog. David sounded like he was sucking on helium. I liked his singing, but it's DEFINATELY an acquired taste... R. From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Fri Mar 12 03:22:57 1999 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Patrick Cordiner) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:22:57 +1000 Subject: HW:Ramble Message-ID: This is just a ramble to say (I know the conversation's over) after listening to `In Your Area' for the last two weeks solid I've decided that Captain Rizz is a good addition as long as his bits are skillfully incoporated into exisiting songs (like Love in Space - where a change would keep the song interesting after its 50th listen). The change he is bringing to Chadwick's percussion hearks back to Electric Teepee and Business of the Future, but the best part for me was First Landing on Medusa, if this is what Brock is up to in spoken word and songs like Diana Park then the next full studio album should be quite fascinating -Patrick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Mar 11 23:26:48 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 04:26:48 +0000 Subject: ' Zilla Message-ID: > Ok, that's done it.. (standing up) My name is Joe and I am a Rush fan. I I don't hate Rush, although I'll admit the only thing I've got by them is "Chronicles". But there IS definitely a Rush vs. BOC thing, and I noticed it long before joining this list. When I was growing up I had some fans who were Rush-heads, and there just always seemed to be a rivalry over whose new album was better, etc. But I was forced to demure in 1986, when Rush came to the Broome County Veterans Memorial Arena in Binghamton, New York...with opening act BLUE OYSTER CULT! Here's my take on it: Rush and BOC are somewhat similar in appeal. Sure, they get lumped into the metal category, but they've both always been about so much more, and they attract a hardcore following that's significantly more intelligent than, say, the average Ratt fan. They're almost like brothers. Rush is the overachieving, brainy golden boy, while BOC is the mischievous, always-up-to-no-good sibling...the one who's constantly being told, "Why can't you be more upstanding like your brother?" -- in other words, the one I more closely identify with! So for me it's a jealousy thing. I like them both, but I prefer BOC by leaps and bounds...and it's been frustrating to me to see them flounder while Rush has continued to do so well. I know I shouldn't try to punish Rush for their success, but I've always been one to root for the underdog...thus my dedication to Motorhead! -- Nick From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Mar 12 04:30:50 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 04:30:50 EST Subject: HW/OFF: Support College Radio Music... Message-ID: In a message dated 99-03-11 20:17:40 EST, you write: << Some of this stuff may well be out of print, but the Spacious Mind stuff is not. You can order recordings of theirs from Delerium. Cheers, Carl >> I know I can order most of these, but they're all imports and too expensive. Sorry for being so cheap. But I don't get paid for the radio show and that's exposure for the bands, so I don't think it's unethical or anything. Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Mar 12 04:38:48 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 04:38:48 EST Subject: HW/OFF: Support College Radio Music... Message-ID: In a message dated 99-03-11 20:43:16 EST, you write: << Chuck asked... >...and please make me CDRs of the stuff I don't have on disc which I really >want to play on my program! Help. I'll give two-three 90 minute cassettes in >trade (or whatever you think is appropriate). Here are those discs that have >been so elusive... >Sundial--Return Journey and that other early album Other Way Out....also Modern Art's 'All Aboard the Mind Train' I've got all three. ----Yes, Keith, and I actually saw this for sale on CD awhile ago, online, should have grabbed it, but I wasn't even sure if it was the same kind of material; should have gathered from the title... >Darxtar--Darker, Daybreak >Melting Euphoria--1st two albums I've got all four of these. darker is impossible to find...Daybreak merely hard. ---I've never in my life seen a Darxtar album of any sort, I just have tapes. >Word of Life--don't know any of their album titles, whatever's good... Dust (which I have) and one other (which I don't) >Vibrasonic--same as above Nope. >Spacious Mind--same as above I've got Cosmic Minds at Play, Sailing the Seagoat, and one other (the title of which I can't remember right now) >Saddar Bazaar--Conference of the Birds I've got 'Path of the Rose' (1998) ---Ooh, there's a new one? Can't wait to hear it... Man, I'm hurtin'. This is such a bad area for this kind of music. >Thanks, and I'll get my trading lists together... Chuck The only problem is...I don't have any way of making CD-R's. Do you?? I could 'lend' them to you to do so. Keith H. (FAA) -----Oops. I just assumed everyone else was ahead of me on this... Well, I suppose I can play cassettes; no problem really, I just despise using them. Thanks, Chuck ----------------------- Headers ---- >> From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Mar 12 05:05:26 1999 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:05:26 +0000 Subject: HW:Ramble In-Reply-To: <199903120833.SAA08055@yowie.cc.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: At 18:22 12/03/99 +1000, Patrick Cordiner wrote: >This is just a ramble to say (I know the conversation's over) after >listening to `In Your Area' for the last two weeks solid I've decided that >Captain Rizz is a good addition as long as his bits are skillfully >incoporated into exisiting songs I really like the bit on Brainstorm where he cries "Flee Babylon!" over the old "She said..." and "Brain-stoormmm" vocals. >but the best part for me was First Landing on Medusa, I wish he'd used Song Of The Gremlin instead, especially as it was part of their live show last time around. Dave. Languages Group Manager. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Mar 12 06:37:01 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:37:01 +0000 Subject: HW/OFF: Support College Radio Music... In-Reply-To: <624e9c48.36e863dd@aol.com> Message-ID: >Vibrasonic--same as above as the others have been mostly covered i'll add what can about Vibrasonic: make sure you get a copy of the cd version of their first s/t album (its not often i would reccomend cds over vinyl but the reason is:) the cd has one extra track, 'Kingsley J' which is a superb piece of freakbeatish psych kinda reminiscent of Tyrnaround's 'Paragon-Smythe' (and of course all the circa 67 precursors); also the 15 minutes of Electric Prune a-go-go mania which is 'The Perpetual Motion Machine'. As to their second Lp, well i forget the title but i've not yet got round to picking it up because afaik they've headed more towards an Englishe Freak Surf Sound rather than FreakBeat. But i could, of course, be wrong. andrew Two vicars are grappling, One pulls a Boston crab -The Fire Dept. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Mar 12 06:36:59 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:36:59 EDT Subject: ' Zilla In-Reply-To: <199903121030.FAA06465@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: > From: "" > > They're almost like brothers. Rush is the overachieving, brainy > golden boy, while BOC is the mischievous, always-up-to-no-good > sibling...the one who's constantly being told, "Why can't you be more > upstanding like your brother?" -- in other words, the one I more > closely identify with! > So let me see if I get this straight...Rush, who put out songs like The Trees, By Tor and the Snow Dog, and Am I going Bald, are brainier than BOC, who put out songs like Flaming Telepaths, Astronomy and Workshop of the Telescopes... Makes perfect sense to me... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Mar 12 06:41:04 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:41:04 EDT Subject: ' Zilla In-Reply-To: <199903121030.FAA06465@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: > From: "" >> So for me it's a jealousy thing. I like them both, but I prefer BOC > by leaps and bounds...and it's been frustrating to me to see them > flounder while Rush has continued to do so well. I know I shouldn't > try to punish Rush for their success, but I've always been one to > root for the underdog...thus my dedication to Motorhead! > Success is relative, and remember, when I was young, BOC was huge. So it isn't like BOC never had any success. They simply weren't able to ride the wave til the end. At least I got to see them at their peak, and for that I'm grateful. I guess Rush is just one of those cosmic truths that I'll never be able to comprehend. I won't be spending any of my money on their discs or concert tickets, so I shouldn't let it bother me. But still, how could ANYONE listen to something with a voice like that on it? theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Mar 12 06:46:06 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:46:06 EDT Subject: Godzilla In-Reply-To: <7a6d88ab.36e8bcb1@aol.com> Message-ID: > From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM > In a message dated 03/12/99 12:33:39 AM Central Standard Time, DASLUD at AOL.COM > writes: > > << remember david surkamp? anyone? >> > > Oh, yeah.. Pavlov's Dog. David sounded like he was sucking on helium. I > liked his singing, but it's DEFINATELY an acquired taste... > I saw Pavlov's Dog open for BOC at Saratoga while BOC was supporting the just-released OYFOOYK. Quite a show, actually. It was Pavlov's Dog, Journey [they had just released their first album, and were phenomenal before they went radio-friendly] and BOC. We were front row for that one, right in front of EB! And it was a FREE CONCERT! theo From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 12 08:03:46 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:03:46 GMT Subject: HW/OFF: Support College Radio Music... In-Reply-To: Chuck Rosenberg's message of Thu, 11 Mar 1999 19:46:21 EST Message-ID: Chuck Rosenberg writes: > ...and please make me CDRs of the stuff I don't have on disc which I really > want to play on my program! Help. I'll give two-three 90 minute cassettes in > trade (or whatever you think is appropriate). Here are those discs that have > been so elusive... > > Melting Euphoria--1st two albums I might have this one > Saddar Bazaar--Conference of the Birds and I used to have this - however I think it was only ever issued on vinyl unless there was a CD re-release recently. But I'll have a look round and check up. When do you need it by? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM Fri Mar 12 10:28:08 1999 From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (BL Young) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 07:28:08 -0800 Subject: HW:Ramble Message-ID: > At 18:22 12/03/99 +1000, Patrick Cordiner wrote: > >This is just a ramble to say (I know the conversation's over) after > >listening to `In Your Area' for the last two weeks solid I've decided that > >Captain Rizz is a good addition as long as his bits are skillfully > >incoporated into exisiting songs When I first heard about Rizz I was a bit wary and undecided, but then I listened to the punkcast and thought it was alright, as long as he picked his spots carefully. And "In Your Area" proves that he does that quite skillfully. I love Ron Tree, too, but I think Rizz can add something as well. Dave Berry wrote: > > I really like the bit on Brainstorm where he cries "Flee Babylon!" over the > old "She said..." and "Brain-stoormmm" vocals. > > >but the best part for me was First Landing on Medusa, The only part I really think I'll get sick of is the line "jump up and down". It sounds too juvenile for Hawkwind. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Young CANADA blyoung AT bigfoot DOT com ----------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/Area51/7118 SF Reading Club http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 Hawkwind http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/6878 IFHL-FLA ----------------------------------------------------------- "20 minutes goes by pretty fast when you're on a breakaway" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 12 09:12:35 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:12:35 EST Subject: ' Zilla Message-ID: In a message dated 3/12/99 7:41:21 AM, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: <> ladle it on 'em there, comrade, much grinning here on my part>>>i dont regard rush quite like the eternally-despised B****N, but you are entertaining; sho 'nuff! ja ne! >>larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 12 09:15:17 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:15:17 EST Subject: Godzilla Message-ID: In a message dated 3/12/99 7:46:17 AM, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: <<, Journey [they had just released their first album, and were phenomenal before they went radio-friendly] >> yeah, journey, formed to be a psych/jam kinda band, and then mr perry showed up and the rest is history, or should i say the rest is CAPITALISM.... ja ne! >>larry b From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Fri Mar 12 09:55:42 1999 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Patrick Cordiner) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 00:55:42 +1000 Subject: HW:Ramble Message-ID: > From: BL Young > Date: Saturday, March 13, 1999 1:28 AM > > When I first heard about Rizz I was a bit wary and undecided, but then I > listened to the punkcast and thought it was alright, as long as he > picked his spots carefully. > > And "In Your Area" proves that he does that quite skillfully. I love > Ron Tree, too, but I think Rizz can add something as well. > The only part I really think I'll get sick of is the line "jump up and > down". It sounds too juvenile for Hawkwind. > I would totally agree. I've notice that the problem I have with Rizz is his chorus's. `Pleasure, fantasy, desire' shouldn't be in a line up that includes chorus's like `In the Aerospace Age Inferno' and `I am the reptoid.' His lyrics themselves aren't that bad, does anyone know where Rizz actually came from in terms of band associations? -Patrick From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 12 11:53:57 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:53:57 GMT Subject: The Golden Void Message-ID: I see the Cleopatra compilation of this label is now out. Does anyone have the tracklist and the sources of the tracks for the Codex? FoFP From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Fri Mar 12 12:14:25 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:14:25 -0800 Subject: Off: 101 adjectives Message-ID: Dorky? Yeah, ok.. sometimes.. Ponderous? Like clunky, I don't see it applying to Rush. Their music always seemed the opposite of those.. I would say... BTO was ponderous.. Most speed metal oriented bands and.. (ducking) bands like Motorhead who's music comes across with about as much finesse as a fart in church (sorry, Lemmy fans...). Wow.. we're staying way off topic here, eh? JB -----Original Message----- From: DASLUD at AOL.COM [mailto:DASLUD at AOL.COM] Sent: Thursday, March 11, 1999 10:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: Off: 101 adjectives In a message dated 3/11/99 11:30:56 AM, Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET writes: <> for these purposes "clunky" would fall between "dorky" and "ponderous" ja ne! >>>larry b From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Mar 12 12:52:26 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:52:26 -0500 Subject: HW/OFF: Support College Radio Music... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Mar 1999, Chuck Rosenberg wrote: =>In a message dated 99-03-11 20:17:40 EST, you write: =><< => Some of this stuff may well be out of print, but the Spacious => Mind stuff is not. You can order recordings of theirs from Delerium. => => Cheers, => Carl => >> => =>I know I can order most of these, but they're all imports and too expensive. =>Sorry for being so cheap. They're not all imports. The two early Sundial albums were reissued domestically in the USA on GaAs records. I got mine mail order for $10 apiece, along with the Modern Art "All Aboard the Mind Train" reissue. That's pretty cheap! =>But I don't get paid for the radio show and that's exposure for the bands, so =>I don't think it's unethical or anything. Chuck Yeah, but it's illegal, so your radio station *might* frown upon it/give you the boot/whatever if they catch you. (Or they might not.) Have you thought of writing to the record companies or bands in question to request promo copies? (Loads of promos turn up in the used racks of our local record store from our VT college radio station, WUVT 90.7, e.g., my copy of Julian Cope's _Autogeddon_ came that route.) Doesn't your station have a DAT deck for compiling shows? Since Keith Henderson offered to loan his CDs, you could presumably record them on to DAT for broadcast on your show. Cheers, Paul. From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Fri Mar 12 12:59:28 1999 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:59:28 GMT Subject: Rush vs. BÖC In-Reply-To: <496D0355DF0@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 wrote: >So let me see if I get this straight...Rush, who put out songs like >The Trees, By Tor and the Snow Dog, and Am I going Bald, are brainier >than BOC, who put out songs like Flaming Telepaths, Astronomy and >Workshop of the Telescopes... Why don't you compare Let Go, Beat 'em Up and Lonely Teardrops, with Subdivisions, Distant Early Warning, or Tom Sawyer. The point will be the same. And the story is: In the 80-s, one of the most respected band of the 70-s, B?C, went downhill. Meanwhile, one of the most despised band of the 70-s, Rush, went uphill, refining their music. For a lot of B?C fans, Rush series of excellent albums from Moving Pictures to Presto was a good encouragement that there is a place for a high imaginative and intelligent music (also successful) in a decade where only imbecile MTV appearance could guarantee success. What Rush did with their career flow, is unique - from critics scorn to acclaim; evolution from one of the most annoying, to the one of the finest bands ever. Therefore, ridiculing Geddy's voice is just pass?. Too bad for their future, after the palish Test For Echo, and the awful Peart's family tragedies. -- Goran From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Mar 12 12:04:14 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:04:14 EDT Subject: Off: 101 adjectives In-Reply-To: <6D986111E966D211A65E00A0C96E961108FACA@C2> Message-ID: > From: Joseph Brooks > Dorky? Yeah, ok.. sometimes.. Ponderous? Like clunky, I don't see it > applying to Rush. Their music always seemed the opposite of those.. I would > say... BTO was ponderous.. Most speed metal oriented bands and.. (ducking) > bands like Motorhead who's music comes across with about as much finesse as > a fart in church (sorry, Lemmy fans...). > A church fart has much more finesse than Geddy's voice...And a lot more finesse than Neil's 'lyrics'... theo From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Mar 12 13:04:05 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:04:05 -0500 Subject: ' Zilla In-Reply-To: <496D0355DF0@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Mar 1999, Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 wrote: =>> From: "" =>> =>> They're almost like brothers. Rush is the overachieving, brainy =>> golden boy, while BOC is the mischievous, always-up-to-no-good =>> sibling...the one who's constantly being told, "Why can't you be more =>> upstanding like your brother?" -- in other words, the one I more =>> closely identify with! =>> =>So let me see if I get this straight...Rush, who put out songs like =>The Trees, By Tor and the Snow Dog, and Am I going Bald, are brainier =>than BOC, who put out songs like Flaming Telepaths, Astronomy and =>Workshop of the Telescopes... => =>Makes perfect sense to me... Theo, your anti-Rush dogma would exude far more credibility if you would get basic facts like song titles correct (it's "I Think I'm Going Bald"). I score you 9/10 for style, 4/10 for content. :-) Cheers, Paul. NP: Gov't Mule, Red Rocks, Morrison, CO, 4th July 1998 From StevenTice at AOL.COM Fri Mar 12 13:26:33 1999 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:26:33 EST Subject: ' Zilla...well, BOC vs. Rush, really... Message-ID: In a message dated 3/12/99 7:37:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: << Rush, who put out songs like The Trees, By Tor and the Snow Dog, and Am I going Bald, are brainier than BOC, who put out songs like Flaming Telepaths, Astronomy and Workshop of the Telescopes... Makes perfect sense to me... >> Two points: 1. I Think I'm Going Bald is indeed a horrible song. But should we judge BOC by Debbie Denise and You're Not the One? It's a false argument to compare one band's worst songs to another band's best songs. 2. As for which band is "brainier," as long as Pearlman, Meltzer, Smith and Moorcock were writing for BOC, this would probably lyrically be a toss-up (remembering to compare best to best, mind you)....musically, Rush (especially during their progressive period) has produced music far more complex and sophisticated than anything BOC has attempted, possibly because BOC has never emphasized virtuosity the way Rush has. BOC is a band that is not apt to attract people who are looking for material that's musically challenging...but BOTH BOC and Rush attract fans of intelligent lyrics within a rock format. And yes, Geddy's voice (especially in the early days) is an acquired taste, but many voices are. Heck, I can't understand how anyone could stand to listen to Bob Dylan's voice, or Bruce Springsteen's voice, except that I know that with time you grow accustomed to an unusual voice. SET P.S. Yes, I am among the many BOC fans who is also a Rush fan...bashing Rush on this list just seems to provoke their defenders and perpetuate a Rush thread here a couple of times a year, which I find interesting... From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Mar 12 12:31:16 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:31:16 EDT Subject: ' Zilla In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Paul Mather > Theo, your anti-Rush dogma would exude far more credibility if you > would get basic facts like song titles correct (it's "I Think I'm > Going Bald"). I score you 9/10 for style, 4/10 for content. :-) > > Cheers, > > Paul. I stand corrected! I'm trying to block it out... > > NP: Gov't Mule, Red Rocks, Morrison, CO, 4th July 1998 You going to GM in Vermont this month? Some place near Burlington, I think? theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Mar 12 12:36:15 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:36:15 EDT Subject: Rush vs. B+C In-Reply-To: <36e950d0.5273725@smtp.softhome.net> Message-ID: > From: Goran Janicijevic > > What Rush did with their career flow, is unique - from critics scorn > to acclaim; evolution from one of the most annoying, to the one of the > finest bands ever. Therefore, ridiculing Geddy's voice is just pass?. > Critiqueing GL's voice is far from passe. I doubt even the critics that you claim are now praising Rush [I'd like to see that in writing!] are doing so on the basis of Geddy's voice. Most likely they are begrudgingly acknowledging their instrumental expertise [I never said they couldn't play their instruments, only that they can't write decent lyrincs or provide decent vocals] and overlooking the vocals. I cannot envision one credible critic who would say anything flattering about the horrible crin crin... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Mar 12 12:39:20 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 13:39:20 EDT Subject: ' Zilla...well, BOC vs. Rush, really... In-Reply-To: <93a6e2fd.36e95c59@aol.com> Message-ID: > From: Steven Tice ....musically, Rush (especially > during their progressive period) has produced music far more complex and > sophisticated than anything BOC has attempted, possibly because BOC has never > emphasized virtuosity the way Rush has. BOC is a band that is not apt to > attract people who are looking for material that's musically challenging...but > BOTH BOC and Rush attract fans of intelligent lyrics within a rock format. > BD can blow away Alex any day of the week on the guitar. Al Bouchard has more percussion ability in his big toe than Neil has in his whole body. Virtuosity indeed! > And yes, Geddy's voice (especially in the early days) is an acquired taste, > but many voices are. Heck, I can't understand how anyone could stand to > listen to Bob Dylan's voice, or Bruce Springsteen's voice, except that I know > that with time you grow accustomed to an unusual voice. > > SET > > P.S. Yes, I am among the many BOC fans who is also a Rush fan...bashing Rush > on this list just seems to provoke their defenders and perpetuate a Rush > thread here a couple of times a year, which I find interesting... > From mwood at MY-DEJANEWS.COM Fri Mar 12 13:41:36 1999 From: mwood at MY-DEJANEWS.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:41:36 -0000 Subject: The Golden Void Message-ID: OK, I'll give this a try. Exact title is _Golden Void 1969-1979_ (Purple Pyramid CLP 0471-2). Track times are from my CD player. There is nothing new here. The liner notes were written by Brian Tawn (August 1998). CD1: from Hawkwind Zoo 12": Hurry on Sundown (6:52) Sweet Mistress of Pain (5:26) from Weird 106 (not sure if these are edited): We Do It (10:23) Earth Calling (2:58) from Hawkwind Zoo 12" EP: Kings of Speed (instrumental) (4:29) Not sure where the next 3 cuts come from: Motorhead (3:11) (Brock: g/v/synth, Lemmy: bass, Powell: dr - is that the single version?) Spirit of the Age (5:56) (from QS&C, I think) Robot (live) (5:58) (from PXR5, I think) from Sonic Assassin 12" EP: Over the Top (7:53) Free Fall (7:54) Death Trap (4:30) from Friends & Relations 1: Golden Void (4:44) CD2: Valium Ten (12" version) (7:51) Time of... (from Weird 102) (4:06) from The Earth Ritual Preview EP: Night of the Hawks (5:06) Green Finned Demon (6:05) Dream Dancers (1:21) Dragons & Fables (3:19) from bonus disk in Official Picture Log Book (1987): The Interview with Dave Brock (31:29) I'll try to check on the ones I'm not sure of tonight. MWood NP: _The Elf & the Hawk_ On Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:53:57 M Holmes wrote: >I see the Cleopatra compilation of this label is now out. Does anyone >have the tracklist and the sources of the tracks for the Codex? > >FoFP > -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Fri Mar 12 14:21:37 1999 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:21:37 GMT Subject: ' Zilla...well, BOC vs. Rush, really... In-Reply-To: <49CDAAC237F@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 wrote: >BD can blow away Alex any day of the week on the guitar. Al Bouchard >has more percussion ability in his big toe than Neil has in his whole >body. Virtuosity indeed! Such a cheap provocation in such a smart list? No pasaran. It looks like your hatred to Rush is equivalent to Lemmy's fondness to ABBA, Eagles and Everly Brothers. :-) -- Goran From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Fri Mar 12 14:20:45 1999 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:20:45 -0700 Subject: HW:Ramble In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990312100526.01229210@mailhost.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: > >but the best part for me was First Landing on Medusa, > > I wish he'd used Song Of The Gremlin instead, especially as it was part of > their live show last time around. > > Dave. Personally, I wish he'd used the actual words to "First Landing On Medusa" from Weird 107 instead (or called the song "The Awakening," or some other title). > ...if this is >what Brock is up to in spoken word and songs like Diana Park then the next >full studio album should be quite fascinating. Great guitar work! It reminds me a bit of Carlos Santana. I like Jerry, and I liked Huw, but what I don't like is when Dave completely stops playing lead guitar, and stays strictly with rhythm guitar and/or keys. I've always tried to figure out if on the LIVE 1979 version of "Motorway City" at about the 2:00 minute point it Huw and Dave are trading lead licks, and if so, why they never seemed to do this again? Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Mar 12 15:00:55 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:00:55 -0800 Subject: The Golden Void Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:41:36 -0000, Marshall Wood wrote: >OK, I'll give this a try. >Exact title is _Golden Void 1969-1979_ (Purple Pyramid CLP 0471-2). >Track times are from my CD player. There is >nothing new here. The liner notes were written by Brian Tawn (August 1998). [...snip...] This seems to be a compilation entirely of Flicknife material (except for the Brock interview), so even though I haven't heard it yet, I would suspect that ... These are from 'Friends & Relations' vol.2 (and also Weird 106) >from Weird 106 (not sure if these are edited): > We Do It (10:23) > Earth Calling (2:58) >Not sure where the next 3 cuts come from: This would be the Flicknife single version (B-side of "Valium Ten") > Motorhead (3:11) (Brock: g/v/synth, Lemmy: bass, Powell: dr - is that the single version?) This would be from 'Friends & Relations' vol.2 > Spirit of the Age (5:56) (from QS&C, I think) and this one from 'Friends & Relations' vol.1 (although the timing seems way off) > Robot (live) (5:58) (from PXR5, I think) and this track also appeared as the B-side of "Whose Gonna Win The War" (Hawklords version) > Time of... (from Weird 102) (4:06) It looks like a great compilation of all the essential Flicknife singles/EPs/comp material (excluding non-Hawkwind material - I think that "Raj Neesh" and "Caanes Ventacei" are major highlights of the 'Friends & Relations' series, and it would've been nice to have both sides of Brock's "Social Alliance" solo 7") except "Drug Cabinet Key" (aka "Flying Doctor") from 'Friends & Relations' vol.3 - what's up with that? -Doug ceres at sirius.com From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Fri Mar 12 15:34:10 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:34:10 -0800 Subject: Off: 101 adjectives Message-ID: Go figure.. I always counted Peart's lyrics as one of Rush's strong points. I don't understand what is bad about *most* of his stuff. (everyone misses once in a while..). Who do you consider to be a "good" lyricist then? Maybe I shouldn't ask. I am no rabid Rush fan, though I have enjoyed them over the years.... Its hard for me to imagine anyone hating them as much as you do. I suppose there's someone somewhere who can't imagine anyone hating Boston as much as I do... JB -----Original Message----- From: Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 [mailto:tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU] Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 9:04 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: Off: 101 adjectives > From: Joseph Brooks > Dorky? Yeah, ok.. sometimes.. Ponderous? Like clunky, I don't see it > applying to Rush. Their music always seemed the opposite of those.. I would > say... BTO was ponderous.. Most speed metal oriented bands and.. (ducking) > bands like Motorhead who's music comes across with about as much finesse as > a fart in church (sorry, Lemmy fans...). > A church fart has much more finesse than Geddy's voice...And a lot more finesse than Neil's 'lyrics'... theo From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Fri Mar 12 15:42:19 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:42:19 -0800 Subject: Rush vs. B+C Message-ID: And what is a credible critic? One that you happen to agree with? I hate critics.. We're all critics. Any time you post your opinions about music in a public place you are as credible of a critic as any asshole that gets paid for it. Oooohh, I hate professional critics even more than I hate Boston and lawyers... Who gives a damn what they think? I either like something or I don't and I don't need some dweeb to point the way. JB -----Original Message----- From: Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 [mailto:tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU] Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 9:36 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: Rush vs. B+C > From: Goran Janicijevic > > What Rush did with their career flow, is unique - from critics scorn > to acclaim; evolution from one of the most annoying, to the one of the > finest bands ever. Therefore, ridiculing Geddy's voice is just pass?. > Critiqueing GL's voice is far from passe. I doubt even the critics that you claim are now praising Rush [I'd like to see that in writing!] are doing so on the basis of Geddy's voice. Most likely they are begrudgingly acknowledging their instrumental expertise [I never said they couldn't play their instruments, only that they can't write decent lyrincs or provide decent vocals] and overlooking the vocals. I cannot envision one credible critic who would say anything flattering about the horrible crin crin... theo From chip at PCC.COM Fri Mar 12 15:55:53 1999 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:55:53 -0500 Subject: OFF: Gov't Mule In-Reply-To: <49CB7E10EF1@library.syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr. s2h2" at Mar 12, 99 01:31:16 pm Message-ID: > You going to GM in Vermont this month? Some place near Burlington, I > think? Higher Ground, Winooski, VT (one exit past Burlington on 89). It's about, I dunno', 50? yards from my office. I believe their site is www.higherground.com - if you need directions, lemme' know. -- Chip Hart * chip @ pcc.com Physicians's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 1 Main Street * Work:800-722-7708 Winooski, VT 05404 * Fax: 802-846-8178 From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Fri Mar 12 16:16:42 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:16:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: Gov't Mule In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 03:55 PM 3/12/99 -0500, you wrote: >> You going to GM in Vermont this month? Some place near Burlington, I >> think? > > Higher Ground, Winooski, VT (one exit past Burlington on 89). > It's about, I dunno', 50? yards from my office. I believe their > site is www.higherground.com - if you need directions, lemme' > know. Methinks that Gov't. Mule are playing north of Albany in Clifton Park as well at some time this month or next. I dunno. I'll check. Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Mar 12 15:54:49 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:54:49 -0800 Subject: Off: 101 adjectives Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:34:10 -0800, Joseph Brooks wrote: >Go figure.. I always counted Peart's lyrics as one of Rush's strong points. >I don't understand what is bad about *most* of his stuff. (everyone misses >once in a while..). Who do you consider to be a "good" lyricist then? Anyone who doesn't base their lyrics on the absurd overblown ravings of spiteful literary hack / bad armchair philosopher Ayn Rand? (sorry, any right-wing libertarians on the list can flame me via PERSONAL Email, please; and if anyone has ever read a book worse than 'Atlas Shrugged' - I'd love to hear about it) Robert Calvert or Richard Meltzer, for instance. And while we're on the subject - male singers with weird high-pitched voices don't *have* to be annoying, as long as they don't screech. David Thomas (Pere Ubu) and Fred Cole (a zillion bands over the last 30+ years, from the Weeds to Dead Moon) are two of my favorite rock singers, but their voices are definitely an acquired taste. At least they sound like weird guys, not like castratti. -Doug ceres at sirius.com From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Fri Mar 12 16:35:21 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:35:21 -0500 Subject: Off: 101 adjectives In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990312125449.00866c60@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: At 12:54 PM 3/12/99 -0800, you wrote: Man oh man, this is gettin' zany! >From the experience of just examining Hawkwind c.v. alone, the good/bad argument on singers/lyrics/music etc. just goes up in a puff of exhaust from a spaceship because no one agrees cross the board but all like Hawkwind. So it goes that all like rock music in the most pretheoretical sense. Yep... uh huh. >Anyone who doesn't base their lyrics on the absurd overblown ravings of >spiteful literary hack / bad armchair philosopher Ayn Rand? (sorry, any >right-wing libertarians on the list can flame me via PERSONAL Email, >please; and if anyone has ever read a book worse than 'Atlas Shrugged' - >I'd love to hear about it) Robert Calvert or Richard Meltzer, for instance. Reminds me of the into of the de cape press' '85 Edition for r.Meltzer's Aethetics of Rock .. book is either a colossal joke or not pending who tries to read it al lthe way through. Back cover simultaneously plaeces it on the top ten worst and best rock books. On the issue of Atlas Shrugged, its not the smoothest fiction on the market I'll grant ya that. But the story's premise is kinda neat. Calvert I htink would have had an intersesting version of it considering his Sonic Attack. >And while we're on the subject - male singers with weird high-pitched >voices don't *have* to be annoying, as long as they don't screech. David >Thomas (Pere Ubu) and Fred Cole (a zillion bands over the last 30+ years, >from the Weeds to Dead Moon) are two of my favorite rock singers, but their >voices are definitely an acquired taste. At least they sound like weird >guys, not like castratti. All i have to say is this: beware of weird castratti. Sort like Thys van Leer of Focus with his now "classic" yodelling in "Hocus Pocus." At least that guy knew its hsouldn't be seriously considered and kept mainly to noodling on Hammond B3 and flute. Shut up and play yer guitar, Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Fri Mar 12 17:07:03 1999 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:07:03 GMT Subject: Off: 101 adjectives In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990312125449.00866c60@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: Doug Pearson wrote: >And while we're on the subject - male singers with weird high-pitched >voices don't *have* to be annoying, as long as they don't screech. David >Thomas (Pere Ubu) and Fred Cole (a zillion bands over the last 30+ years, >from the Weeds to Dead Moon) are two of my favorite rock singers, but their >voices are definitely an acquired taste. At least they sound like weird >guys, not like castratti. They are lucky not to be comercially successful (I barely remember Per Ubu, never heard about Weeds and Dead Moon). Otherwise they would be promoted from weirdos to castratti. -- Goran From mordru at FLITE.NET Fri Mar 12 17:18:10 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:18:10 -0500 Subject: Rush vs. B+C Message-ID: >And what is a credible critic? One that you happen to agree with? I hate >critics.. We're all critics. Any time you post your opinions about music in >a public place you are as credible of a critic as any asshole that gets paid >for it. Oooohh, I hate professional critics even more than I hate Boston and >lawyers... Who gives a damn what they think? I either like something or I >don't and I don't need some dweeb to point the way. Hmmmm. I wonder if rock critics such as Meltzer or Deb ever reviewed anything by Rush..... ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Fri Mar 12 17:32:33 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:32:33 -0800 Subject: Off: 101 adjectives Message-ID: "Space is Deep" Now there's one for the ages... Meltzer.. ok. I do agree about Rand but right-winged and libertarian..? hmm.. that's a rare breed indeed. I couldn't get through the first chapter of "Atlas Shrugged" and I read anything normally. ...and I think Geddy has done a good job of turning down the screeching the last 5-10 years or so. Still, I understand that some people can't get past the odd voice. I feel that way about Dave Mathews... And the Journey singer whatsisname..... His voice makes my skin crawl. I wasn't aware that all of Peart's lyrics were based on Rand's writings but I really have no clue so it could be true for all I know. Still, I like many of his songs lyrics quit a lot. (Subdivisions and Spirit of the Radio come to mind..). All this is really very subjective and sort of pointless to argue about. I was just surprised to find so much anti-Rush sentiment here. It'd be awful damn boring if we all liked the same things, eh? (and no, I'm NOT Canadian :-) JB -----Original Message----- From: Doug Pearson [mailto:ceres at SIRIUS.COM] Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 12:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: Off: 101 adjectives On Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:34:10 -0800, Joseph Brooks wrote: >Go figure.. I always counted Peart's lyrics as one of Rush's strong points. >I don't understand what is bad about *most* of his stuff. (everyone misses >once in a while..). Who do you consider to be a "good" lyricist then? Anyone who doesn't base their lyrics on the absurd overblown ravings of spiteful literary hack / bad armchair philosopher Ayn Rand? (sorry, any right-wing libertarians on the list can flame me via PERSONAL Email, please; and if anyone has ever read a book worse than 'Atlas Shrugged' - I'd love to hear about it) Robert Calvert or Richard Meltzer, for instance. And while we're on the subject - male singers with weird high-pitched voices don't *have* to be annoying, as long as they don't screech. David Thomas (Pere Ubu) and Fred Cole (a zillion bands over the last 30+ years, from the Weeds to Dead Moon) are two of my favorite rock singers, but their voices are definitely an acquired taste. At least they sound like weird guys, not like castratti. -Doug ceres at sirius.com From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Mar 12 17:32:25 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:32:25 -0600 Subject: BOC: KBFH, "Zilla , Rush and Boston Message-ID: My oh my what yummy offerings the list has today...lets get started. JS>Now, this I hadn't thought of since I became a BOC fan around 1979. Longtime fans who first heard and saw the band prior to say 1976 may not appreciate a song like Godzilla since it's quite a bit different from most of the other stuff BOC had done up to that point (or since for that matter). Well I was there pretty much at the start and I loved 'Zilla on first listen. The thunder, the bottom, the riff. Very cool song. However after hearing this song close to a thousand times it feels redundant and stale. > [never knew it was gay to begin > with!] JS>Hey! My childhood hero is NOT gay. Maybe that overgrown iguana that they gave the name "Godzilla" to last year is, but not the REAL Godzilla! Digital Godzilla, definitely fruity. Cardboard Godzilla all lizard. Mind you no one ever saw Mrs. 'Zilla but judging by the looks of 'Zilla jr. I'd keep her hidden too. JS>Danny and Bobby are both fine musicians who should get a moment to shine - but I wish they wouldn't come back-to-back. Agreed this is pointless. Last I saw, Danny's solo was flaming. He put a little bit of everything into it. Jazz, funk, rock dem strings were singing. Bobby's solo was energetic and good but a real let down following Danny. BOC, so unconventional. If you want to give these guys a chance to show their stuff with solo's use a more approrpiate song. I nominate Buck's Boogie. Freeform it and let everybody take a shot in an extended jam version. JB>Ok, that's done it.. (standing up) My name is Joe and I am a Rush fan. JB You the man! I am no die hard Rush fan but I think some of the criticism they absorb on this list is idiotic and ironic. Here we are all talking about the "thinking man's heavy metal" outfit and the "original space lords" themselves. Yet Rush who has meant as much to the evolution of rock and roll as anyone gets trashed like there's no tomorrow. Sometimes I really belive its because financially they have had more success than BOC and HW combined. Now its not everyone on this list that does it, but certianly no one gets more heat than Rush. Its ok though, Geddy Neil and Alex are laughing all the way to the bank. >while for the most part rush annoys the heck outta me, i give them credit for being their naturally clunky selves and succeeding at it Ok thats a start. Their music is not for everyone; you can love it or shove it, but do give them some credit. I make no secret that I do not like Metallica or the Rolling Stones. I do credit Metallica for keeping heavy music on the radio, they are very much alone (at least in my market) so thats a lot of pressure on them to continue to be successful. Now the Stones, well they are too old for this and their music shows it. However as long as their die hards want to see them play, play they will. I truly beleive they are not in it for the bucks. Ya the money is fine but if people want them to tour and make albums then Stones will oblige them. Hats off to both of the Stones and Metallica. >I didn't see the recent movie, but didn't I read somewhere that this Godzilla was a hermaphrodite? Oh, no, wait, they were talking about Geddy... See there ya go again taking digs at my man Geddy. C'mon Theo you play an axe for a living, how about a little professional respect? I know you're just jesting but at times its hard to know when you are serious. JS>For those of you that don't know, thought I'd list here the tasty BOC tracks that KBFH has to choose from from their old BOC broadcasts: My oh my this is a job for the SETLIST MASTER! Hope he gets todays digest. >Rush is an example of a band where the vocals ruin the music for me. The same goes for Led Zep and Yes (not to mention screech-metal bands like Judas Priest - eek!) These falsetto singers sound like they'd be better suited for the Vienna Boy's Choir. I'll take Brock or Lemmy's raspy bark any day. Cheers, Chris Your kidding right? Come on your joking aren't ya? Serious? Whew I've heard Brock and I've heard Lemmy and both rank just about at the bottom of lead singers. Low is kewl but so is the old high pitched shriek if it fits the music. >Should I ask your opinion of Boston? Oh puhlease, never mention Boston. JB>Hehe, now you're punching my buttons.. I absolutely detest the band Boston and anyone who sounds like them. Blech! Its over-produced, homogenized, clich?'d.. and just plain indigestible. Rush is 10 times the band Boston is, 100 times.. I could go on..Did I mention that I don't care for Boston? Its official JB, we are related. Now add a few more zeros to that number. I dislike some groups and probably used the word "hate" but I truly HATE this band. Respect their accomplishments but hate them anyway. >But there IS definitely a Rush vs. BOC thing, and I noticed it long before joining this list. When I was growing up I had some fans who were Rush-heads, and there just always seemed to be a rivalry over whose new album was better, etc. Ah c'mon Nick, we were having fun with this thing, getting all emotional and choosing sides. Now you come in with calm, reason and rationality. No fair. Theo>Lemmy be the man! Someone was mentioning a while back that Motorhead's got a new live set coming out. Any idea when that's happening? A grade schooler for the raspy barky sound. Jon Oliva is da man amongst all the little boys, no one sounds more sinister than Big Bad Jon. Ya, sure, go run for your Motorhead and Sabbath collections, I'll whip out just one album against all your comers. Dr. Butcher babee, Dr., Butcher hehehehehehehehehe Well its been fun gang...please don't take me too serious OK? Good Weekend Ghost in the Ruins NP: Queensryche - Promise Land (more high brow music? I don't think so) From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Fri Mar 12 17:41:41 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:41:41 -0800 Subject: Rush vs. B+C Message-ID: Heh.. That would be interesting. But I still wouldn't pay any attention. I like hearing others opinions as much as I like making my own know to anyone willing to listen but they can rarely cause me to unlike something I've already grown to like. I honestly don't understand why their opinion should be any more valid than yours or Theo's or even my own. Sure, some critics may have an insider view that I lack.. their reactions to art are still highly subjective. If one has a known expertise in music, I may listen if it's the actual musical skill that's being critiqued... beyond that its all opinion. JB -----Original Message----- From: Andrew A. Apold [mailto:mordru at FLITE.NET] Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 2:18 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: Rush vs. B+C >And what is a credible critic? One that you happen to agree with? I hate >critics.. We're all critics. Any time you post your opinions about music in >a public place you are as credible of a critic as any asshole that gets paid >for it. Oooohh, I hate professional critics even more than I hate Boston and >lawyers... Who gives a damn what they think? I either like something or I >don't and I don't need some dweeb to point the way. Hmmmm. I wonder if rock critics such as Meltzer or Deb ever reviewed anything by Rush..... ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Fri Mar 12 17:54:06 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:54:06 -0800 Subject: This list Message-ID: Just wanted to say.. I just love this list. Best one I've been on.. which is why I came back after a 2 year absence. Thanks for reading my rants and other nonsense.. You guys are great... JB From tgn at GATE.NET Fri Mar 12 18:15:07 1999 From: tgn at GATE.NET (Timothy G. Northrup) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:15:07 -0500 Subject: "Zilla Message-ID: On Friday, March 12, 1999 5:32 PM, BREVARD, Adrian R. [SMTP:abrevard at SHL.COM] wrote: > JS>Now, this I hadn't thought of since I became a BOC fan around 1979. > Longtime fans who first heard and saw the band prior to say 1976 may not > appreciate a song like Godzilla since it's quite a bit different from > most of the other stuff BOC had done up to that point (or since for that > matter). > > Well I was there pretty much at the start and I loved 'Zilla on first > listen. The thunder, the bottom, the riff. Very cool song. However after > hearing this song close to a thousand times it feels redundant and stale. I started listening to BOC around 74/75 (Secret Treaties) and first heard 'Zilla at a show at Lebanon Valley Speedway (on a Black & Blue tour) in the summer of '76 or '77, and before Spectres even cameout if I remember correctly. The thunder rumbling off the mountains and the laser beaming out for miles blew me away. Loved it. Still do. -- Tim ObCD: Rush - "Chronicles" ... high brow? hmmm ... -- Tim Northrup (TimNorthrup at CSi.Com) ICQ #3835296 From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Fri Mar 12 18:20:12 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:20:12 -0800 Subject: KBFH, "Zilla , Rush and Boston Message-ID: Say on, Bruddah! Am I spending a lot of time at work posting to this list? Maybe. I do try to keep it to my breaks but, since I'm the boss... Enough said on the 'Zilla thing.. Adrian pretty much sums it up for me below, along with what I've already posted on the subject. Adrian? Separated at birth perhaps? You just summed up a lot of what I've been trying to say, minus the rambling. I agree lots, even on the Metallica and Stones part. Great idea on the "Buck's Boogie" thing. Its that sort of jamming that I miss most at 90's BOC shows. Gimmie 5 guitars.. (Can Bobby and Danny play at all?) I think I've said enough about Mr. Peart & co. (Till someone else posts something irresistible at least..) And about Jon O. I have to agree, for pure sinister sounding, heavy metal, grinding vocals, he's the man. If you recall, you had run down the Savatage catalog for me.. Well, I went to the CD store I frequent and picked up a few. They only had a few so I got Gutter Ballet and.. damn.. I am shit with titles.. Its got a cool fantasy style cover with a scantily clad chick kneeling by a lake or something. I have to say, I'm not thrilled with Gutter Ballet. A few songs are likable but... The jury is still out on the other one but I suspect I need to go further back to find the stuff I really like. I'm keeping my eye's peeled for that Dr. Butcher you mentioned. Hey, love me or hate me, you gotta admit, I get this list to posting, don't I? JB -----Original Message----- From: BREVARD, Adrian R. [mailto:abrevard at SHL.COM] Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 2:32 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: BOC: KBFH, "Zilla , Rush and Boston My oh my what yummy offerings the list has today...lets get started. JS>Now, this I hadn't thought of since I became a BOC fan around 1979. Longtime fans who first heard and saw the band prior to say 1976 may not appreciate a song like Godzilla since it's quite a bit different from most of the other stuff BOC had done up to that point (or since for that matter). Well I was there pretty much at the start and I loved 'Zilla on first listen. The thunder, the bottom, the riff. Very cool song. However after hearing this song close to a thousand times it feels redundant and stale. > [never knew it was gay to begin > with!] JS>Hey! My childhood hero is NOT gay. Maybe that overgrown iguana that they gave the name "Godzilla" to last year is, but not the REAL Godzilla! Digital Godzilla, definitely fruity. Cardboard Godzilla all lizard. Mind you no one ever saw Mrs. 'Zilla but judging by the looks of 'Zilla jr. I'd keep her hidden too. JS>Danny and Bobby are both fine musicians who should get a moment to shine - but I wish they wouldn't come back-to-back. Agreed this is pointless. Last I saw, Danny's solo was flaming. He put a little bit of everything into it. Jazz, funk, rock dem strings were singing. Bobby's solo was energetic and good but a real let down following Danny. BOC, so unconventional. If you want to give these guys a chance to show their stuff with solo's use a more approrpiate song. I nominate Buck's Boogie. Freeform it and let everybody take a shot in an extended jam version. JB>Ok, that's done it.. (standing up) My name is Joe and I am a Rush fan. JB You the man! I am no die hard Rush fan but I think some of the criticism they absorb on this list is idiotic and ironic. Here we are all talking about the "thinking man's heavy metal" outfit and the "original space lords" themselves. Yet Rush who has meant as much to the evolution of rock and roll as anyone gets trashed like there's no tomorrow. Sometimes I really belive its because financially they have had more success than BOC and HW combined. Now its not everyone on this list that does it, but certianly no one gets more heat than Rush. Its ok though, Geddy Neil and Alex are laughing all the way to the bank. >while for the most part rush annoys the heck outta me, i give them credit for being their naturally clunky selves and succeeding at it Ok thats a start. Their music is not for everyone; you can love it or shove it, but do give them some credit. I make no secret that I do not like Metallica or the Rolling Stones. I do credit Metallica for keeping heavy music on the radio, they are very much alone (at least in my market) so thats a lot of pressure on them to continue to be successful. Now the Stones, well they are too old for this and their music shows it. However as long as their die hards want to see them play, play they will. I truly beleive they are not in it for the bucks. Ya the money is fine but if people want them to tour and make albums then Stones will oblige them. Hats off to both of the Stones and Metallica. >I didn't see the recent movie, but didn't I read somewhere that this Godzilla was a hermaphrodite? Oh, no, wait, they were talking about Geddy... See there ya go again taking digs at my man Geddy. C'mon Theo you play an axe for a living, how about a little professional respect? I know you're just jesting but at times its hard to know when you are serious. JS>For those of you that don't know, thought I'd list here the tasty BOC tracks that KBFH has to choose from from their old BOC broadcasts: My oh my this is a job for the SETLIST MASTER! Hope he gets todays digest. >Rush is an example of a band where the vocals ruin the music for me. The same goes for Led Zep and Yes (not to mention screech-metal bands like Judas Priest - eek!) These falsetto singers sound like they'd be better suited for the Vienna Boy's Choir. I'll take Brock or Lemmy's raspy bark any day. Cheers, Chris Your kidding right? Come on your joking aren't ya? Serious? Whew I've heard Brock and I've heard Lemmy and both rank just about at the bottom of lead singers. Low is kewl but so is the old high pitched shriek if it fits the music. >Should I ask your opinion of Boston? Oh puhlease, never mention Boston. JB>Hehe, now you're punching my buttons.. I absolutely detest the band Boston and anyone who sounds like them. Blech! Its over-produced, homogenized, clich?'d.. and just plain indigestible. Rush is 10 times the band Boston is, 100 times.. I could go on..Did I mention that I don't care for Boston? Its official JB, we are related. Now add a few more zeros to that number. I dislike some groups and probably used the word "hate" but I truly HATE this band. Respect their accomplishments but hate them anyway. >But there IS definitely a Rush vs. BOC thing, and I noticed it long before joining this list. When I was growing up I had some fans who were Rush-heads, and there just always seemed to be a rivalry over whose new album was better, etc. Ah c'mon Nick, we were having fun with this thing, getting all emotional and choosing sides. Now you come in with calm, reason and rationality. No fair. Theo>Lemmy be the man! Someone was mentioning a while back that Motorhead's got a new live set coming out. Any idea when that's happening? A grade schooler for the raspy barky sound. Jon Oliva is da man amongst all the little boys, no one sounds more sinister than Big Bad Jon. Ya, sure, go run for your Motorhead and Sabbath collections, I'll whip out just one album against all your comers. Dr. Butcher babee, Dr., Butcher hehehehehehehehehe Well its been fun gang...please don't take me too serious OK? Good Weekend Ghost in the Ruins NP: Queensryche - Promise Land (more high brow music? I don't think so) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 12 18:31:21 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 23:31:21 +0000 Subject: ' Zilla Message-ID: Rush .... Well, Geddy Lee used a Rick, but .... Lemmy. :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 12 18:46:23 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 23:46:23 +0000 Subject: Off: 101 adjectives Message-ID: On fre 12 mar 1999 09.14 -0800 "Joseph Brooks" wrote: > Most speed metal oriented bands and.. (ducking) (throwing) ;) > bands like Motorhead who's music comes across with about as much finesse as > a fart in church (sorry, Lemmy fans...). Mein guiding filosofi: Apply sledgehammers with subtilty, subtilty with a sledgehammer. :) Cheers, Carl ObTrack: Motorhead, "Orgasmatron" -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 12 18:57:12 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 23:57:12 +0000 Subject: HW/OFF: Support College Radio Music... Message-ID: On fre 12 mar 1999 12.52 -0500 "Paul Mather" wrote: > Have you thought of writing to the record companies or bands in > question to request promo copies? I was going to say that several of those bands have members who are on-line, or whose snail mail addresses are available. Some might lurk on this list ... ;) Yeah, they're stuff is from overseas and it costs a bit more thereby. Det ?r ett fritt land, but if we're going to crassly pirate CDs IMO we might at least bite the bullet and limit ourselves to dubbing stuff that's otherwise unavailable. Blokes like the Spacious Mind aren't exactly rolling in dough, and they do hope to recover some of the costs incurred in making the album! Yeah, radio exposure would sure help them, but hey, maybe they're hip to it--ask them! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 12 19:00:10 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 00:00:10 +0000 Subject: HW:Ramble Message-ID: On fre 12 mar 1999 12.20 -0700 "Kevin Sommers" wrote: > I like Jerry, > and I liked Huw, but what I don't like is when Dave completely stops playing > lead guitar, and stays strictly with rhythm guitar and/or keys. Amen. What Brock does he does _damn_well_. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 12 19:08:06 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 00:08:06 +0000 Subject: The Golden Void Message-ID: On fre 12 mar 1999 12.00 -0800 "Doug Pearson" wrote: > This would be the Flicknife single version (B-side of "Valium Ten") >> Motorhead (3:11) (Brock: g/v/synth, Lemmy: bass, Powell: dr - is that > the single version?) Wasn't "Motorhead" the A-side on this one? -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET Fri Mar 12 22:50:57 1999 From: hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET (D Witt) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:50:57 -0600 Subject: OFF: Helios Creed Tour Dates Message-ID: I found these tour dates for the Helios Creed US tour. The tour starts 4-23-99. http://home.pacbell.net/darkmatr/index.html From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Mar 13 00:55:07 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 00:55:07 EST Subject: Off: 101 adjectives Message-ID: In a message dated 3/12/99 12:14:22 PM, Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET writes: <> yeah, after i sent that off i thought i shoulda said something like "LYRICALLY ponderous"; i give them credit though just for having that approach, which is not to say i'd listen to it of my own volition >>> so let's try to envision "clunky" as, like, "the sincere nerd" whom you've met at the door as he's come to date your little sister; and an honorable young man he is....she kinda likes him, enough to let him spend a little cash on her and wish he'd gotten kissed at date's end (never happens) because, well, as she puts it,"i like him, kinda, y'know? but he's just so... ...so clunky...." ja ne! >>larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Mar 13 01:07:04 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 01:07:04 EST Subject: Off: 101 adjectives Message-ID: In a message dated 3/12/99 12:14:22 PM, Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET writes: << BTO was ponderous.. Most speed metal oriented bands and.. (ducking) bands like Motorhead who's music comes across with about as much finesse as a fart in church (sorry, Lemmy fans...).>> gee i dunno, joe, was BTO "ponderous", or were they "lumbering"? hoo-hah! as for motorhead's lack of "finesse".....your point, sir? waxing rhetorically, "speed metal", in contrast to "thrash metal", tends to involve a maniacal exactitude, as opposed to "finesse"....calling scott heller>>>> whew. >>larry b From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Mar 13 01:11:05 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 01:11:05 EST Subject: HW/OFF: Radio Message-ID: < I've got these in stock: Darxtar - Daybreak $A25 Spacious Mind - Organic Mind Solution $A33 ---See, that's what I mean!! I'm not paying $20--$40 for a stinkin' CD! :) Nothing personal, Paul. College students need sustenance just as much as musicians. I could do a tape of Melting Euphoria - Upon Solar Winds or darXtar - Darker too if you want ---I already have tapes of a lot of this stuff, just don't want to play tapes on the program. Why? Good question... Paul >> Chuck BTW: Today's set went pretty well. Set list (if I remember everything): The Brain--Access & Amplify (which I bought at full price recently! As cheap as I may be, I do occasionally buy a CD at regular domestic price.) --Echoes from a Distant Sky (or something like that) --Glow of Aristarchus HW--The Wizard Blew His Nose (over the air, in fact; alright, love or hate the Moorcock "schlock" on Warrior, but give credit for the nice Horn/Opa-Loka segue.) --Opa-Loka Nik Turner--Opa-Loka 2000 (I was in the mood, both versions are brilliant, and their similarities so subtle) --10 Seconds of Forever Can--Oh Yeah Irmin Schmidt/Bruno Spoerri--Rapido de Noir (from the History of Ambiebt Vol. 1 CD (Does anyone have the complete album, Toy Planet? Is it as good as "Rapido"? Eno/Roedelius/Cluster--first track from the album After the Heat (I think it was called "Oil"--didn't sound that great, but it was the first time I heard it. The Harmonia '76 CD is pretty good, though, I'd like to air a few songs from that...) I guess that was all I had time for. But I have another set tomorrow night, either from 7-8 or 8-9 PST. Though now I really find it hard to imagine someone sitting at home in front of the computer on a Sat. night, just to hear a little Space-rock. :) Chuck From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Mar 13 01:13:06 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 01:13:06 EST Subject: ' Zilla...well, BOC vs. Rush, really... Message-ID: In a message dated 3/12/99 1:28:07 PM, StevenTice at AOL.COM writes: <> "complex and sophisticated" ===== 7/8 time >>larry b From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Mar 13 01:14:15 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 01:14:15 EST Subject: HW/OFF: Support College Radio Music... Message-ID: In a message dated 99-03-12 08:08:33 EST, eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: << Chuck Rosenberg writes: > ...and please make me CDRs of the stuff I don't have on disc which I really > want to play on my program! Help. I'll give two-three 90 minute cassettes in > trade (or whatever you think is appropriate). Here are those discs that have > been so elusive... > > Melting Euphoria--1st two albums I might have this one > Saddar Bazaar--Conference of the Birds and I used to have this - however I think it was only ever issued on vinyl unless there was a CD re-release recently. But I'll have a look round and check up. When do you need it by? jill ----It's definitely on CD; I know someone who has it (I _think_, I can't imagine that person having bought the vinyl). Didn't Delerium put this out? Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Mar 13 01:19:19 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 01:19:19 EST Subject: HW/OFF: Support College Radio Music... Message-ID: In a message dated 99-03-12 12:54:41 EST, you write: << =>In a message dated 99-03-11 20:17:40 EST, you write: =><< => Some of this stuff may well be out of print, but the Spacious => Mind stuff is not. You can order recordings of theirs from Delerium. => => Cheers, => Carl => >> => =>I know I can order most of these, but they're all imports and too expensive. =>Sorry for being so cheap. They're not all imports. ---Well, okay okay, if you wanna get so technical... I'm sure the Melting U albums were released on Cleopatra, too, but I've still never seen them.... The two early Sundial albums were reissued domestically in the USA on GaAs records. I got mine mail order for $10 apiece, along with the Modern Art "All Aboard the Mind Train" reissue. That's pretty cheap! ---Now that's the sort of price I look for! :) =>But I don't get paid for the radio show and that's exposure for the bands, so =>I don't think it's unethical or anything. Chuck Yeah, but it's illegal, so your radio station *might* frown upon it/give you the boot/whatever if they catch you. (Or they might not.) ---Yeah, I've been meaning to ask about that. Have you thought of writing to the record companies or bands in question to request promo copies? (Loads of promos turn up in the used racks of our local record store from our VT college radio station, WUVT 90.7, e.g., my copy of Julian Cope's _Autogeddon_ came that route.) ---Yes; I was thinking of writing the companies. The station apparently might get some promos in, as a result of my playlist, but I won't hold my breath... Doesn't your station have a DAT deck for compiling shows? Since Keith Henderson offered to loan his CDs, you could presumably record them on to DAT for broadcast on your show. Cheers, Paul. ---Yes, there is a DAT deck, but I don't even understand what it's for. I thought those were for recording music onto, as in at a studio... Would someone mind, then, explaining what a DAT _is_, and why it might be better to use for a radio show than a regular cassette? Thanks, Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Mar 13 01:25:16 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 01:25:16 EST Subject: HW/OFF: Support College Radio Music... Message-ID: In a message dated 99-03-12 18:55:47 EST, you write: << I was going to say that several of those bands have members who are on-line, or whose snail mail addresses are available. ---Really? Tell me where to find those addresses. I mean, if you want to. :) Some might lurk on this list ... ;) ----Yeah, I was gonna say something to Marc about Born to God; is he still here? Yeah, they're stuff is from overseas and it costs a bit more thereby. Det ?r ett fritt land, but if we're going to crassly pirate CDs IMO we might at least bite the bullet and limit ourselves to dubbing stuff that's otherwise unavailable. ---Okay, but do you consider CD-R copying as "pirating" anymore than cassette- copying is? Curious... I've always traded tapes, and never minded them in the least; it's just that in the context of DJing, they don't seem as efficient... Blokes like the Spacious Mind aren't exactly rolling in dough, and they do hope to recover some of the costs incurred in making the album! Yeah, radio exposure would sure help them, but hey, maybe they're hip to it--ask them! Cheers, Carl >> ---Maybe. I don't know what's generally considered ethical on these topics. But I really doubt it would make a difference around here--no one seems to know about the scene anyway... even these "hip" college students... Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Mar 13 01:35:22 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 01:35:22 EST Subject: Off: The Brain (not Brain Surgeons!) Message-ID: Well, I finally just ordered the damn thing from CDNOW, "Access & Amplify". And it was worth the $15. :) Just as was the Anubian Lights. I'm sure there was a bit of discuss on this when it came out, but what about those of us who didn't have the album then? We have to miss out? There are hundreds and hundreds of posts about the latest Hawkwind albums, many of which aren't that great, meanwhile Anubian Lights, The Brain, etc. are putting out top-notch stuff, and no one pays any mind. Oh, this list is for Hawkwind? Well, that's true, I do forget that now and then... Anyway, this album is impossibly spacey, lush, warm, deep (as space is), listening to it is kinda like drowning in a bottle of vodka--numbing, but a good numb.... Did they ever do a follow-up? 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From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Mar 13 01:48:36 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 01:48:36 EST Subject: OFF: Debates Message-ID: I think what most people don't want to say is simply this: That the BOC faction (and, of course, this is just a _generalization_, _very_ general, it's not really as simple as I may put it here) tends to be drink more from the mainstream/commercial/conventional structures waters musically speaking, while the HW faction tends to be people who like lots of weird, obscure, underground, indie music/punk-oriented stuff, etc... Not a judgement on either group, of course. And BOC themselves have been as heavy as HW, whereas Brock did write the occasional the occasional "hit-single" type, though of course it's always indelibly HW... Then again, maybe I should shut my mouth and humble myself before people start throwing things at me... Chuck From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Mar 13 01:57:54 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 01:57:54 EST Subject: Off: 101 adjectives Message-ID: In a message dated 3/12/99 5:32:27 PM, Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET writes: << I do agree about Rand but right-winged and libertarian..? hmm.. that's a rare breed indeed.>> to the xtent i know about it, libertarianism is hardly left-wing... ja ne! >>larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Mar 13 02:33:50 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 02:33:50 EST Subject: ' Zilla...well, BOC vs. Rush, really...no dis abba hyar Message-ID: In a message dated 3/12/99 2:19:57 PM, simplius at SOFTHOME.NET writes: <> ABBA SI! BOSTON F*** NO! it's like that and that's the way it is larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Mar 13 03:45:31 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 03:45:31 EST Subject: Off: 101 adjectives Message-ID: In a message dated 3/13/99 1:08:37 AM, DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: <> this is in reference to "speed metal", not motorhead>>>motorhead is motorhead, and as such, "maniacal" mayhaps, but aint no way "exactitude"...and that's the way i like it, uh-huh uh-huh >.larry b From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Mar 13 03:54:31 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 08:54:31 +0000 Subject: HW/OFF: Radio Message-ID: On l?r 13 mar 1999 01.11 +0000 "Chuck Rosenberg" wrote: > Darxtar - Daybreak $A25 > Spacious Mind - Organic Mind Solution $A33 > > See, that's what I mean!! I'm not paying $20--$40 for a stinkin' CD! :) > Nothing personal, Paul. College students need sustenance just as much as > musicians. Why do you think I'm so poor! :) You have to realize that CDs are simply cheaper in the States than in Europe, too. But you can get better prices than that from Delerium. Not sure what shipping would add, but if you take a slow option it shouldn't bee too much. I'd think. I sure as heck didn't pay 33 bucks for OMS (great album). Probably closer to 18. That's kinda of an average price. I think Delerium has it for about 12 quid, anyway. Daybreak is also utterly, utterly superb. Pickin' up this kinda stuff means plain rice for a bit now and again, but I just can't regret it. I was broke for months after the Hawkwind EMI remasters came up--and it was worth it! :) Cheers, Carl ObCD: Pseudo Sun, _Future Memoirs_ -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Mar 13 04:19:25 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 09:19:25 +0000 Subject: HW/OFF: Support College Radio Music... Message-ID: On l?r 13 mar 1999 01.25 +0000 "Chuck Rosenberg" wrote: > In a message dated 99-03-12 18:55:47 EST, you write: >> I was going to say that several of those bands have members >> who are on-line, or whose snail mail addresses are available. > > Really? Tell me where to find those addresses. I mean, if you want to. :) Well, for darXtar, I would think the obvious place to start is their webpages ;) You gotta dig a little sometimes! But perhaps Scott Heller can point you towards some other people. >> Yeah, they're stuff is from >> overseas and it costs a bit more thereby. Det ?r ett fritt land, >> but if we're going to crassly pirate CDs IMO we might at least bite >> the bullet and limit ourselves to dubbing stuff that's otherwise >> unavailable. > > Okay, but do you consider CD-R copying as "pirating" anymore than cassette- > copying is? Mmm, yeah, this is a tricky issue but I think I do see it that way (explanation follows). > Curious... I've always traded tapes, and never minded them in the > least; it's just that in the context of DJing, they don't seem as efficient... I've always traded or simply given people tapes as well. I think that's a good way of giving bands some exposure and getting people into new music. On the other hand, anything I hear I like, I buy (as soon as I can afford it) because tapes are not an ideal medium. The sound isn't as good, they are not as convienient, they tend to fall apart after a while. A CD-R, on the other hand duplicates the sound and convienience of the legit item, and is rather more durable than a tape if treated right. You'd have to be very dedicated to replace a CD-R with a legit CD! There's must less incentive, execpt for the ethnical. Bands like Spacious Mind don't exactly move a lot of product and if people start copying their CDs too much ... well, they already have to compete with much cheaper domestic CD prices in the US, as you've noticed. BTW, Spacious Mind were very hip to live taping. Scott Heller taped their set at J?nk?ping and I gather some of that is going onto upcoming release as a bonus track! You could trade for some live tapes of them and play that. No, I appreciate the problem. And I certainly see no reason why one shouldn't copy out-of-print stuff and the like--I don't think I'd be bothered by people making a copy of some completely rich band anyway. But I'd encourage the exploration of other avenues to our desired end, at least. > Maybe. I don't know what's generally considered ethical on these topics. > But I really doubt it would make a difference around here--no one seems to > know about the scene anyway... even these "hip" college students... Of course not. College students aren't really that plugged in as a group. They certainly aren't over here :) Yeah, I try to expand horizons a bit by making mix tapes, lending CDs. Cambridge has a *completely* puny radio operation by American standards--we're talking a broadcast radius most covieniently measured in paces--but I've lent discs to played on it sometimes. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Mar 13 08:30:13 1999 From: MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark P Lee) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 13:30:13 +0000 Subject: OFF: Dr Hasbeen and stuff In-Reply-To: <199903121000.FAA17426@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: It's a bit late, but, Dr Hasbeen are playing the Caxton tonight (Sat 13th) Caxton Street, Sunnyhill, Derby. Kicking of about 9 (ish) for a couple of hours... Letr guys, gotta go find something to gargle with ??? For what it's worth before I depart the etherspace I like Rush, I like Boston, I like Hawkwind, I like Zeppelin, I like Motorhead, I like Orff (Carmina Burana), I listen to Bach, Beethoven and other classical stuff when I'm in the mood for 'exactitude'. I listen to a lot of Ozrics, Sash, Carl Cox, System 7, The Orb etc etc etc. Just because any one person doesn't like a piece of music don't make it bad do it. Likewise one fan does not make bad music any better, okey dokey... Cheers Guys. Mark. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please reply to mark at esparto.demon.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Mar 13 11:07:28 1999 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 08:07:28 PST Subject: BOC: BOC vs RUSH Message-ID: Out of lurkerdom for a brief second..... I have told myself that I should post more often than I do, but time has been very tight for me lately. Lets see if I can say what I want to say and then dissapear for awhile again. This whole RUSH vs BOC thing is very entertaining indeed. I like both bands alot. Yes, BOC is my fave band, but one of them had to get saddled with that term so I decided it would be them since I like their music so damn much. RUSH is right up there on my list of faves as well..... It has nothing to do with how popular they are or aren't........ It has nothing to do with how "brainy" they are or aren't..... It has everything to do with how my ears hear them, how my brain interprets the impulses from the ears, and what happens on down through my nervous system to the hairs on the back of my neck. This is how I decide if I like or dislike something. It is very similar to the way the taste buds trigger responses in the brain. When I bite into something quite tasty, and someone asks "Do you like it?", I don't have to ask for a history of the food, and how popular it is with the unwashed masses. No research or further information necessary. It's a gut reaction. It's shooting from the hip. It's flying from the seat of my pants. Ifind life much more enjoyable this way. It seems that is how many people decide what music is good and what is not these days. I have no problem with hating, indeed even despising Rush's music, as long as it is hated with honesty. In fact, as a younger man I REALLY disliked RUSH. Then again I really disliked Yogurt too. You couldn't get it past my nose. Now I eat a Yogurt each and every day, and my RUSH collection is quite large. Geddy's voice is an aquired taste indeed, that I won't deny. But I find that most things are "easy come, easy go", and if I like them right away I tend to forget about them easily, while things that I aquire a taste for seem to hold my interest longer. It's this reason that my fave album of most bands is almost always one that I disliked when I first heard it. It's because brain impulses mutate as we evolve. It's the same reason I now can say I like yogurt. Imagine that! So, with all honesty, and with no fear of flame, I can say that I dislike Motorhead, and Lemmy's voice. What my ears tell my brain that I am hearing does not produce a favorable chemical reaction, and no matter how "unpopular" they are, and no matter how much I don't hear them on the radio, I can't force myself to like them for those reasons. In fact, I dislike them so much that a long time friend of mine, who is also on this list, used to crack me up with his Lemmy imitation. It was a good example of how you could carefully edit almost any 3 Motorhead songs and if you did it carefully enough, you could slip it by someone and they would not know the difference. Yes, how I would howl with laughter when my good friend would sing his Motorhead masterpiece "Killed by death on the road by the Ace of Spades". ;^) So, that is why I like and dislike certain types of music. "Seems to me it's Chemistry". Back to Lurkerville. Hold all calls please. Torgo Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos *********************************************** Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Mar 13 12:05:09 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:05:09 +0000 Subject: OFF: King Crimson stuff Message-ID: hi gang, for those of you who might be curious or are into the mp3 side of things then there's some King Crimson stuff appearing on alt.binaries.sounds.mp3s.1970s from something called The Great Deceiver ... don't know anything about KC so don't know if this is rare/a boot or what... andrew Two vicars are grappling, One pulls a Boston crab -The Fire Dept. From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Sat Mar 13 12:38:08 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 12:38:08 -0500 Subject: OFF: King Crimson stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 05:05 PM 3/13/99 +0000, you wrote: >hi gang, > >for those of you who might be curious or are into the mp3 side of things >then there's some King Crimson stuff appearing on >alt.binaries.sounds.mp3s.1970s from something called The Great Deceiver ... >don't know anything about KC so don't know if this is rare/a boot or what... It;s a presently discontinued 4 disc box set of the Wetton/Bruford/Cross/Fripp lineup in the 70's. DGM is considering re-releasing it in some form or another but n concrete plans as such. A 2 CD retrospective of the beast known as King Crimson is in the Works a la "A Young Person's Guide to King Crimson"(previous "best of" work that wasnt a box set) with live material and things from all incarnations. Also on the market now is the DVD "Deja Vroom" with a neat feature of letting you assemble a version of Crim to pla "21st Century Schizoid Man" in the privacy of your own home. Check out www.discipline.co.uk for all things Frippish. Nothing he's got he really needs, Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Mar 13 13:08:29 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 18:08:29 +0000 Subject: OFF: New darXtar, when? Message-ID: Speaking of darXtar, didn't the Commander say the new album is basically done? Cheers, Carl ObCD: Daybreak -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Mar 13 13:38:54 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 13:38:54 EST Subject: OFF: Dr Hasbeen and stuff Message-ID: SIGH.... me, i like it when articulate fur flies...the sharper the better...(yo theo!) but even if yr flat out ripping something to shreds, i dont see why so many see this as synonymous with denying someone else their right to listen to and/or enjoy it... i mean, B****N is reprehensible to me, yet i doubt they brood over my opinion on their way to the bank..... Ja ne! >>larry b "if you dont like what i say, you have CHOICE...you can turn me OFF>>>>>>>>>>>>>>" ALICE COOPER, beginning of "lay down and die, goodbye", EASY ACTION lp, '70 From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Mar 13 14:20:54 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:20:54 +0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Just listening to X: In Search of Space for the first time in ages and i'd*nearly* forgotten how fucking great it is. Just thought i'd share that andrew They wear a bucket on their heads, They wear a bucket on their heads, Wake up! Wake up! -Inner City Unit From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Sat Mar 13 16:36:14 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:36:14 -0600 Subject: Cultosaurus Erectus Message-ID: Hey all, just received that remaster of CE. I will now list the layout changes for your reading pleasure :-). The cover on the new album is darker, like the picture had a little longer exposure time in the developing room, seems to give it more depth, unfortunately on the remaster the Kronos is nowhere to be found, they omitted it entirely, but at least they remembered the umlauts. The inside of the jacket on the remaster has two pictures, one with a boy sitting on the edge of a dinosaur's fossilized footprint, surrounded by a fossilized rock bed, and in the background some reconstructed dinosaur skeleton (ya know, those exhibits in the museum, I can't recall the proper terminology right now), but you can only see the tail in the shot. The second picture is the same kind of shoot as the first, but now a girl has replaced the boy, I'm assuming these were the picture's displayed on the original inner sleeve, I don't know as I have never seen the original LP. The back of the remaster's jacket only display's the picture of Fig. C, and to the right of that the band members are listed along with the sources used and the credits (this was inside the jacket on the original CD release). The CD holster (or what ever you would call it) in the remastered CE is clear (like the HF album), and behind the CD is a picture of the CE that is on the cover. On the back of the jewel case Fig. A and Fig. B are shown instead of Fig. C, the song listings also include the length. The overall dynamics seem to be improved (I'm not an audiophile so I'm kinda out of my area here), though after listening to one selection from each disk they don't seem to be much different at all. They have it available to order at: http://www.thoughtscape.com/abc.htm Laj. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sat Mar 13 18:30:01 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 18:30:01 -0500 Subject: HW/OFF: Support College Radio Music... Message-ID: Hi Folks... Well, this seems to be a subject of some debate, i.e., how much money are we 'expected' to spend trying to support a global underground music genre. And if that's more than we can afford, what are the alternatives? Short of cheating the artists themselves. My solution, seeing as I only earn a graduate student's measly salary (I *once* earned a real salary, but I hated that particular job), is that I do whatever's necessary to procure whatever format I can. Preferably CDs in mint/near mint condition, but I'll do with lesser quality stuff in hopes of someday finding a CD replacement at a discount. What that takes is a lot of time searching, and some patience, and quite a bit of luck. But of course, with the hundreds of CDs I purchase a year, that still adds up to a tremendous amount of dough that I spend. I really have no other hobbies that suck alot of dough (I went to see Pvt. Ryan last night...the first movie I saw in a theatre since Dec. 1997), so I can afford (almost) to spend that much money. So I've ordered from most space/prog/psych dealers in the world at some point. There are a couple favourites that I keep coming back to, but I think most all offer something different that I'm after. On the ones we've been discussing, I'll go through a bit of anecdotal seek-and-find here... >>Sundial--Return Journey >>Sundial--Other Way Out I think I found both of these in a store (My Generation in Cleveland) for about $12 or $13 apiece. Both domestic releases (GaAs). >>Modern Art--All Aboard the Mind Train Bought this online somewhere pretty recently, for something like $12 or so. GaAs release (#2051). >>Darxtar--Darker Somebody in Sweden (was it Henrik or Johan?) managed to come across (seemingly) the very last couple of copies in existence still in the marketplace, and thankfully picked up a copy for me. Earlier, I had traded for a tape of this album, which I've already passed onto someone else at Strange Daze '98. >>Darxtar--Daybreak >>Spacious Mind--Cosmic Minds at Play >>Spacious Mind--Organic Mind Solution >>Spacious Mind--Sailing the Seagoat All four of these were purchased directly from Garageland in Ume? by Johan Edlundh (IIRC) as part of a mass boc-l order project, which didn't quite go smoothly, as Garageland was slow at every turn responding. But I also bought a used copy of Daybreak for a friend, from somebody who posted on a newsgroup...I think it was $15 ppd. Not a great deal, but still a few dollars off. >>Melting Euphoria--Through the Strands of Time This one I bought directly from the band at Strange Daze '98 for a mere $10. They sold lots of these I believe. >>Melting Euphoria--Upon the Solar Winds I think I found this in a store right here in Columbus (Singing Dog), as they've always been pretty good about bringing in Cleopatra stuff. Probably $13 for this one. >>Word of Life--Dust I had traded for a tape of this one (which I still have), but while I was in Pittsburgh recently to see Black Sabbath, I made my usual trip to Dave's Music Mine (a place I've shopped at for 20 years (honest!), although it was known as Garbage Records when I was 16 and found Hawkwind vinyl there) and found a used CD copy for $6. Those are moments I don't forget!! (Like the time I found Dead Flowers' Smell the Fragrence for $3 here in Columbus!) >>Saddar Bazaar--Path of the Rose I bought this two weeks ago from Doug Shaver in Kansas City (Crown Chakra) for damn cheap...like $11 I think. That sale may still be on, I'm not sure. deshaver at yahoo.com to check. Keith H. (FAA) >>I've got these in stock: >> >>Darxtar - Daybreak $A25 >>Spacious Mind - Organic Mind Solution $A33 > >---See, that's what I mean!! I'm not paying $20--$40 for a stinkin' CD! :) >Nothing personal, Paul. College students need sustenance just as much as >musicians. You've got to remember that the Aussie dollar isn't worth anything! :) So, these prices are quite reasonable. >BTW: Today's set went pretty well. Set list (if I remember everything): > >The Brain--Access & Amplify (which I bought at full price recently! As cheap >as I may be, I do occasionally buy a CD at regular domestic price.) Well, I got this one as a bonus CD in the four-pack Cleopatra repackaged collection of "Space Daze" material. Apparently, the bonus CDs varied from pack-to-pack, as others here got something different. You couldn't actually tell what it was until you bought/opened it. I think it's a pretty decent CD, esp. since I got the entire 4CD set for like $22. I bought it here in Columbus at a store over on the east side, which I've never visited since. They're kind of a Grateful Dead-type music store with other sorts of 'paraphernalia.' I also saw the Brain in concert in Pittsburgh (in a converted Catholic Church, complete with pews & pipe organ) as one of the opening acts for Cluster (the other being Bond Bergland, who did pretty cool solo guitar/sequencing stuff). I posted a review here I think...maybe in the archives from two years back or so. Anyway, to sum up, I shop everywhere and almost every day and that's pretty much what it takes (sorry to say) to find all of these things at an average price that doesn't make me default on the rent payments. I live in Columbus, but I've been to every major prog/psych/space CD store in the entire northeast quarter of the country (and Toronto), usually as I'm travelling to shows and such. Ear-X-Tacy (Louisville, KY), My Generation & Time Traveller (Cleveland), Eide's and Dave's (Pittsburgh) are my favourites in this part of the country. And then lately I've been going to California alot to shop in the Bay Area, where the best stores are (as far as selection goes)...Amoeba, Rasputin, and Mod Lang (Berkeley). The used section I go to first, as I often find a lot of cheapie goodies, and then I feel better about spending $20 a disc for a couple really hard-to-find items in the regular stacks. I'm going to ProgFest in May to see Porcupine Tree & Magma, so I'll be back there soon...last time I got 14 discs in one day-trip to Berkeley. Yikes! (Cap'n Lockheed for $10 at Rasputin - I remember that one! And they stocked ST37's Spaceage...how crazy is that?) Keith H. (FAA) P.S. I don't think Marc's here at the moment, but his email's mpower at ml.com if you want to contact him directly. P.P.S. As far as the amazing number of great underground space/psych bands in this country goes, I'm with you, Chuck. They need more exposure!! We here at Aural Innovations (and that includes Scott, Christian (where are you?), and Paul) are doing our best to make folks aware of this great stuff!!! If you go to our homepage (http://www.infinet.com/~jkranitz/space/space.html), you can see the maps I've made (with links to most bands' sites) that indicate how many there are (more every day!!). And soon I'll have my 'space rock source map' finished that will show/link to all of the labels, mail order sites, 'zines, etc. that cater to the space/psych community in the US/Canada. I hope it will be helpful to you all. P.P.P.S. Good luck with your show, Chuck, and contact me directly about what to do to get CD-R's made of the discs I have, as I believe the 'ends justify the means' in this case. Henderson.120 at osu.edu ObUSspacerockCDfortheday: 7% Solution - All About Satellites and Spaceships (new one out soon on Lone Starfighter Records in San Antonio, Texas. You can link to their site from ours (Aural Innovations)) Motto for the day: "I tithe for Space Rock." :) From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Sat Mar 13 19:05:24 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 18:05:24 -0600 Subject: HW: Who is dat? Message-ID: Someone on eBay just listed a "Rare Photo" found under a "Hawkwind" search. I never saw this person before....Anyone know who it is? "Dude looks like a lady" Hawkman. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sat Mar 13 21:43:42 1999 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Patrick Cordiner) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:43:42 +1000 Subject: The Brain (not Brain Surgeons!) Message-ID: ---------- > From: Chuck Rosenberg > Date: Saturday, March 13, 1999 4:35 PM > > Well, I finally just ordered the damn thing from CDNOW, "Access & Amplify". > And it was worth the $15. :) Just as was the Anubian Lights. I'm sure there > was a bit of discuss on this when it came out, but what about those of us who > didn't have the album then? We have to miss out? There are hundreds and > hundreds of posts about the latest Hawkwind albums, many of which aren't that > great, meanwhile Anubian Lights, The Brain, etc. are putting out top-notch > stuff, and no one pays any mind. Oh, this list is for Hawkwind? Well, that's > true, I do forget that now and then... Well, having recently bought Dark Matter's (a.k.a. Helios Creed) Seeing Strange Lights and Zero Gravity's (a.k.a. Len Del Rio) Space does not Care I would totally agree that these albums (ESPECIALLY ANUBIAN LIGHTS) deserve recognition in the BOC-L discussion. I mean if we can talk about the artistic/musical merit of Motorhead we can talk about pretty much anything. -Patrick From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sat Mar 13 21:47:46 1999 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Patrick Cordiner) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:47:46 +1000 Subject: OFF: King Crimson stuff Message-ID: > From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision > Date: Sunday, March 14, 1999 3:38 AM > It;s a presently discontinued 4 disc box set of the > Wetton/Bruford/Cross/Fripp lineup in the 70's. DGM is considering > re-releasing it in some form or another but n concrete plans as such. A 2 > CD retrospective of the beast known as King Crimson is in the Works a la "A > Young Person's Guide to King Crimson"(previous "best of" work that wasnt a > box set) with live material and things from all incarnations. These twin CD's `Sometimes God Smiles' and `Sometimes God Hides' I would highly recommend. 79 minutes, 30 something tracks on each for Aus$20. The best introduction to the avantgarde world of Fripp, Belew, and all the associates. -Patrick From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Mar 13 22:56:54 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 03:56:54 +0000 Subject: HW: Who is dat? In-Reply-To: <000901be6dae$5e319f40$91f6050c@hawkwind> Message-ID: At 18:05 13/03/99 -0600, you wrote: > > Someone on eBay just listed a "Rare Photo" found under a "Hawkwind" search. > ? > I never saw this person before....Anyone know who it is?? "Dude looks like a > lady" > ? > ? > Hawkman. yeah well he doesn't look like no woman i ever met but i've got to admit that i haven't the faintest idea who the fuck it's meant to be. andrew (somewhat wishing he'd been to see dr. hasbeen tonight having got frustrated by his fave married woman and then gotten in a fight with some stupid little arsehole) Two vicars are grappling, One pulls a Boston crab -The Fire Dept. From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Sat Mar 13 23:30:54 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 23:30:54 -0500 Subject: OFF: King Crimson stuff In-Reply-To: <199903140258.MAA09911@yowie.cc.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: >These twin CD's `Sometimes God Smiles' and `Sometimes God Hides' I would >highly recommend. 79 minutes, 30 something tracks on each for Aus$20. The >best introduction to the avantgarde world of Fripp, Belew, and all the >associates. Wow. is the conversion rate that high? in US$ its 6/7 bucks a disc. However, you're right about Sometimes God Hides/Smiles. They're actually primers for people enetering the Disicipline Global Machine Record unvierse. I was referring to a project in the future called "Cirkus" which presents live goodies for the young'uns over the 30 year span of the King. disc two is called "Neon Heat Disease" and focusses on the 81-present version of the group... More details in Robert Fripp's diary at the DGm website I gave earlier. Good music is good music no matter how you cut it. A Styx concert on Public Television is not. Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Mar 13 23:18:28 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 23:18:28 EST Subject: HW: Who is dat? Message-ID: In a message dated 3/13/99 11:06:19 PM, andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: << his fave married woman>> oy andrew oy, dem married women...dey hoit you good ,dey do... From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Sat Mar 13 23:37:33 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 23:37:33 -0500 Subject: OFF: Styx makes me sick (or should that be six?) Message-ID: Watching one minute of the PBS special "Welcome to Paradice Theatre" or whatever the hecks its called... and the sionger looks like Paul Rieser (Sp?) from that sitcom. Somehow the humor doesnt save the show from being remarkably pathetic. In other words, play your space rituals at vol. 10 and On your Feet or On Your Knees at vol. 10 all across the world. In Space/Oyster Cults/weird sh*t we trust :), Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Sat Mar 13 23:56:02 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 23:56:02 -0500 Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip Message-ID: Given the psyche scarring effect of that Styx show, some observations: 1. BOC is better off playing clubs. Why? They don't look like caricatures of men with badly grown long hair or TV show actors hamming it up for people that havea camera. When I've seen BOC they dont do the silly prowling of stages while playing instruments... its a waste of energy. When you're in the zone, stay there dont do candy-assed publiciy stunts. 2. Leave reunion/marketing concerts for people that are the essence of AOR. Everyone knows that a big show isnt where its at. I dont konw why PBS has a fascination with the Moody Blues/Styx--Ah, that it. they're "semi-refined" rockers in a wanna-be-progressive way that is like the Monekess wanting to be rock and rollers schtick(?). 3. "This band set the standard of music for the 70s" said the PBS pledge drive hostess about STyx. Yes they did, if you don't want to make up your own. Pardon me, Im full of pent up madcap typing/Habermas' theory of communicative action/Fugazi/Who Live at Leeds. PLAY IT LOUD Jason "I'm in a FOUL mood today. Stay outa my way or I'll CRITIQUE YOUR ASS to hell. Just ME,just YOU...a decent song. You wanna see THEM, see THEM. I don't give a shit." - Richard Meltzer From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sun Mar 14 01:12:40 1999 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Patrick Cordiner) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:12:40 +1000 Subject: OFF: King Crimson stuff Message-ID: > From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision > Date: Sunday, March 14, 1999 2:30 PM > > Wow. is the conversion rate that high? in US$ its 6/7 bucks a disc. Er, its actually alot higher. For the new Anubian Lights I bought it in a Brisbane store as a `U.S. Import' and it cost me Aus $34.95. Collecting spacerock in Australia sucks, and if it wasn't for Sonic Bilby I wouldn't bother at all. (well not entirely true, I just wouldn't be able to have a decent collection, or be able to eat;-) > However, you're right about Sometimes God Hides/Smiles. They're actually > primers for people enetering the Disicipline Global Machine Record > unvierse. I was referring to a project in the future called "Cirkus" which > presents live goodies for the young'uns over the 30 year span of the King. > disc two is called "Neon Heat Disease" and focusses on the 81-present > version of the group Whoops, I haven't been keeping up with the Elephant-Talk stuff I still get their email discussion newsletter thingy but just couldn't be bothered wading through it. Buggers me why the don't just use the same system as BOC-L. Apart from the fact that that would mean about 80 emails/ day. Patrick From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Sun Mar 14 02:59:05 1999 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 00:59:05 -0700 Subject: Who is dat? In-Reply-To: <000901be6dae$5e319f40$91f6050c@hawkwind> Message-ID: Arrrr, the closest I can come is Adrian Shaw, but I think even that is a good bit off.... I wonder why the seller is convinced that this is a Hawkwind photo? Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu Someone on eBay just listed a "Rare Photo" found under a "Hawkwind" search. I never saw this person before....Anyone know who it is? "Dude looks like a lady" Hawkman. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sun Mar 14 04:45:52 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 04:45:52 EST Subject: HW/OFF: Support College Radio Music... Message-ID: -------Thanks for your extensive reply, Keith In a message dated 99-03-13 18:40:01 EST, you write: On the ones we've been discussing, I'll go through a bit of anecdotal seek-and-find here... >>Sundial--Return Journey >>Sundial--Other Way Out I think I found both of these in a store (My Generation in Cleveland) for about $12 or $13 apiece. Both domestic releases (GaAs). ---Very reasonable. I'd gladly pay that for these discs. Okay, upon consideration of some of the replies to my orig. plea for CD-R's, I've considered the possibility that I may have been a bit penny-pinching, and since I now have the opportunity to air this stuff, I've just decided I'm going to invest a little extra now... >>Darxtar--Darker Somebody in Sweden (was it Henrik or Johan?) managed to come across (seemingly) the very last couple of copies in existence still in the marketplace, and thankfully picked up a copy for me. Earlier, I had traded for a tape of this album, which I've already passed onto someone else at Strange Daze '98. ---Ouch; if I'd been aware of this, I'd have tried to get one... >>Darxtar--Daybreak >>Spacious Mind--Cosmic Minds at Play >>Spacious Mind--Organic Mind Solution >>Spacious Mind--Sailing the Seagoat All four of these were purchased directly from Garageland in Ume? by Johan Edlundh (IIRC) as part of a mass boc-l order project, which didn't quite go smoothly, as Garageland was slow at every turn responding. But I also bought a used copy of Daybreak for a friend, from somebody who posted on a newsgroup...I think it was $15 ppd. Not a great deal, but still a few dollars off. ---Still not bad. >>Melting Euphoria--Through the Strands of Time This one I bought directly from the band at Strange Daze '98 for a mere $10. They sold lots of these I believe. ---Any chance one of these gigs willl make it to the West Coast??? >>Melting Euphoria--Upon the Solar Winds I think I found this in a store right here in Columbus (Singing Dog), as they've always been pretty good about bringing in Cleopatra stuff. Probably $13 for this one. >>Word of Life--Dust I had traded for a tape of this one (which I still have), but while I was in Pittsburgh recently to see Black Sabbath, I made my usual trip to Dave's Music Mine (a place I've shopped at for 20 years (honest!), although it was known as Garbage Records when I was 16 and found Hawkwind vinyl there) and found a used CD copy for $6. Those are moments I don't forget!! (Like the time I found Dead Flowers' Smell the Fragrence for $3 here in Columbus!) ---Oh yeah, that's a deal to remember... :) >>Saddar Bazaar--Path of the Rose I bought this two weeks ago from Doug Shaver in Kansas City (Crown Chakra) for damn cheap...like $11 I think. That sale may still be on, I'm not sure. deshaver at yahoo.com to check. ---I shall. I've been a miser, and very close-minded... Keith H. (FAA) >>I've got these in stock: >> >>Darxtar - Daybreak $A25 >>Spacious Mind - Organic Mind Solution $A33 > >---See, that's what I mean!! I'm not paying $20--$40 for a stinkin' CD! :) >Nothing personal, Paul. College students need sustenance just as much as >musicians. You've got to remember that the Aussie dollar isn't worth anything! :) So, these prices are quite reasonable. ---That's true; Paul and I have worked our a pretty good deal for these (I _think_, don't know if he's answered my last offer yet...) >BTW: Today's set went pretty well. Set list (if I remember everything): > >The Brain--Access & Amplify (which I bought at full price recently! As cheap >as I may be, I do occasionally buy a CD at regular domestic price.) Well, I got this one as a bonus CD in the four-pack Cleopatra repackaged collection of "Space Daze" material. Apparently, the bonus CDs varied from pack-to-pack, as others here got something different. You couldn't actually tell what it was until you bought/opened it. I think it's a pretty decent CD, esp. since I got the entire 4CD set for like $22. ---Agreed, I got the Space Box here at Best Buy for the same price; however my "bonus CD" was Steve Peregrine Took--the Missing Link to T. Rex. The Brain for a bonus CD? Hey, you can't beat that! I also saw the Brain in concert in Pittsburgh (in a converted Catholic Church, complete with pews & pipe organ) as one of the opening acts for Cluster (the other being Bond Bergland, who did pretty cool solo guitar/sequencing stuff). I posted a review here I think...maybe in the archives from two years back or so. ---Now that I'm keeping an eye out for any of the Turner/Del Rio/Grenas projects, there don't seem to be any gigs around here; I don't know what they're all up to presently; hopefulling working on more A. Lights, Brain or Turner material. And Pressurehed is based in LA, so I figure someone's got to show soon. I did get Grenas' e-mail address, but as I mentioned, I got no reply... I'm sure he's plenty busy consid. the number of projects these guys are usually balancing at once... P.S. I don't think Marc's here at the moment, but his email's mpower at ml.com if you want to contact him directly. P.P.S. As far as the amazing number of great underground space/psych bands in this country goes, I'm with you, Chuck. They need more exposure!! We here at Aural Innovations (and that includes Scott, Christian (where are you?), and Paul) are doing our best to make folks aware of this great stuff!!! If you go to our homepage (http://www.infinet.com/~jkranitz/space/space.html), you can see the maps I've made (with links to most bands' sites) that indicate how many there are (more every day!!). And soon I'll have my 'space rock source map' finished that will show/link to all of the labels, mail order sites, 'zines, etc. that cater to the space/psych community in the US/Canada. I hope it will be helpful to you all. P.P.P.S. Good luck with your show, Chuck, and contact me directly about what to do to get CD-R's made of the discs I have, as I believe the 'ends justify the means' in this case. Henderson.120 at osu.edu ---Thanks for all the info. I dunno; I'm reconsidering my approach, as I mentioned. Plus someone said that having CD-Rs deterred one from ever getting the real CD, and, as I like to have "the real thing", maybe it's not such a good idea... I should be able to keep the show fresh, w/the number of CDs I bring in as is. Esp. since it might only be a 2-hour spot every other week. ObUSspacerockCDfortheday: 7% Solution - All About Satellites and Spaceships (new one out soon on Lone Starfighter Records in San Antonio, Texas. You can link to their site from ours (Aural Innovations)) Motto for the day: "I tithe for Space Rock." :) ---Hear, hear. Well, I must admit I did fairly well today. Picked up Ozrics' Erpland for $11.99, a '98 reissue, and a band I've never heard of called The Big Swifty. Thinking it might have some elements of Zappa, I gave it a listen at the store, and it turns out to be some pretty creepy and well-done ambient/psyche. Anyone know anything about this group? Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sun Mar 14 04:53:19 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 04:53:19 EST Subject: The Brain (not Brain Surgeons!) Message-ID: In a message dated 99-03-13 21:54:46 EST, you write: << Well, having recently bought Dark Matter's (a.k.a. Helios Creed) Seeing Strange Lights and Zero Gravity's (a.k.a. Len Del Rio) Space does not Care ---Yes, I forgot to mention Zero Gravity. I finally got a copy of "Space Does Not Care" and I love the sound. Heavy play in my deck and on the show as well. I wonder if there's any chance for a follow-up. Does anyone have an e-mail address for him? I'd love to bug him. And don't tell me he doesn't own a computer... :) As for Dark Matter, I only have the title track, which is on one of those Hypnotic comps, but it is interesting... I would totally agree that these albums (ESPECIALLY ANUBIAN LIGHTS) _YES_. Most certainly. deserve recognition in the BOC-L discussion. I mean if we can talk about the artistic/musical merit of Motorhead we can talk about pretty much anything. -Patrick >> --Ha, ha. Chuck From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Mar 14 06:43:16 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:43:16 +0000 Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip Message-ID: On l?r 13 mar 1999 23.56 -0500 "Bolts of Ungodly Vision" wrote: > I dont konw why PBS has > a fascination with the Moody Blues/Styx--Ah, that it. they're > "semi-refined" rockers in a wanna-be-progressive way that is like the > Monekess wanting to be rock and rollers schtick(?). Hey, the Monkees kick ass! :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Mar 14 06:54:29 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:54:29 +0000 Subject: HW/OFF: Support College Radio Music... Message-ID: On s?n 14 mar 1999 04.45 +0000 "Chuck Rosenberg" wrote: > But I also > bought a used copy of Daybreak for a friend, from somebody who posted on a > newsgroup...I think it was $15 ppd. Not a great deal, but still a few > dollars off. That's slightly cheaper than I've seen it costing new in Sweden, so not such a bad price, really! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Mar 14 07:03:08 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:03:08 +0000 Subject: HW/OFF: Support College Radio Music... Message-ID: On l?r 13 mar 1999 18.30 -0500 "Keith Henderson" wrote: > My solution, seeing as I only earn a graduate student's measly salary (I > *once* earned a real salary, but I hated that particular job), Damn--I quit my real job to become a grad student, but don't get no salary! > But of course, with the hundreds of CDs I purchase a year, that still adds > up to a tremendous amount of dough that I spend. Yup, all my surplus budget goes to books (the majority of which are connected with my work) and music. Well, and beer :) Ain't no hundreds of discs, alas, but it's steady-growing library. >>>Melting Euphoria--Through the Strands of Time > > This one I bought directly from the band at Strange Daze '98 for a mere $10. > They sold lots of these I believe. Does the band have a contact address/email? Maybe one could still get stuff cheap direct from them. > P.P.S. As far as the amazing number of great underground space/psych bands > in this country goes, I'm with you, Chuck. They need more exposure!! Definitely. And it's great to hear someone using their "position of power" in the media to promote it :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Mar 14 11:21:43 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:21:43 EST Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip Message-ID: In a message dated 3/14/99 6:41:46 AM, cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK writes: << Hey, the Monkees kick ass! :) >> i do concur! ja ne! >>larry b From johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sun Mar 14 12:18:56 1999 From: johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:18:56 +0100 Subject: OFF: New darXtar, when? Message-ID: At 18:08 1999-03-13 +0000, you wrote: > Speaking of darXtar, didn't the Commander say the new album >is basically done? > >Cheers, >Carl > >ObCD: Daybreak the music production is finished, yes. but the tricky part is still left to do - to have it out on the market. I'll ask him about the current status of Tombola, and let you know. .joe From ted at ALGER.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Mar 14 14:45:03 1999 From: ted at ALGER.DEMON.CO.UK (Ted Alger) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 19:45:03 +0000 Subject: BOC: Cultosaurus Erectus In-Reply-To: <36EADA4E.185051F0@dlcwest.com> Message-ID: so "Deadline" has the initial downbeat at the beginning of the song then? > Hey all, just received that remaster of CE. I will now list the >layout changes for your reading pleasure :-). The cover on the new album >is darker, like the picture had a little longer exposure time in the >developing room, seems to give it more depth, unfortunately on the >remaster the Kronos is nowhere to be found, they omitted it entirely, >but at least they remembered the umlauts. The inside of the jacket on >the remaster has two pictures, one with a boy sitting on the edge of a >dinosaur's fossilized footprint, surrounded by a fossilized rock bed, >and in the background some reconstructed dinosaur skeleton (ya know, >those exhibits in the museum, I can't recall the proper terminology >right now), but you can only see the tail in the shot. The second >picture is the same kind of shoot as the first, but now a girl has >replaced the boy, I'm assuming these were the picture's displayed on the >original inner sleeve, I don't know as I have never seen the original >LP. The back of the remaster's jacket only display's the picture of Fig. >C, and to the right of that the band members are listed along with the >sources used and the credits (this was inside the jacket on the original >CD release). The CD holster (or what ever you would call it) in the >remastered CE is clear (like the HF album), and behind the CD is a >picture of the CE that is on the cover. On the back of the jewel case >Fig. A and Fig. B are shown instead of Fig. C, the song listings also >include the length. > The overall dynamics seem to be improved (I'm not an audiophile so >I'm kinda out of my area here), though after listening to one selection >from each disk they don't seem to be much different at all. They have it >available to order at: > >http://www.thoughtscape.com/abc.htm > > > > >Laj. From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Sun Mar 14 15:55:59 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Gekke Henkie) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:55:59 +0100 Subject: HW: Who is dat? In-Reply-To: <000901be6dae$5e319f40$91f6050c@hawkwind> Message-ID: Stacia in diguise? --BArt From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Mar 14 18:05:45 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 23:05:45 -0000 Subject: OFF: Wayne Kramer, London Message-ID: Don't know if anyone else was planning on going, but the date is actually Thursday April 8th, NOT April 2nd. Don't know if it changed, or whether Time Out got it wrong (though I suspect the latter :). - Andy ObCD: Kranky sampler, _Kompilation_ mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Sun Mar 14 19:00:24 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:00:24 -0600 Subject: BOC: Cultosaurus Erectus Message-ID: Ted Alger wrote: > > so "Deadline" has the initial downbeat at the beginning of > the song then? > Oh yes! Fortunately enough it does. Makes it worth owning right there alone, they must of been awake this time around :-). Laj. From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Mar 14 20:36:27 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:36:27 EST Subject: HW: Who is dat? Message-ID: In a message dated 3/14/99 3:57:29 PM, bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL writes: <> .................with glasses? From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Mar 15 03:59:01 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:59:01 +0000 Subject: HW: Who is dat? In-Reply-To: <9c1de63a.36ec641b@aol.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Mar 1999 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 3/14/99 3:57:29 PM, bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL writes: > > <> > > .................with glasses? Glasses? It must be... Doug Smith! Run for the hills! Yours, Jon -- /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | =====================================================================| | "Probability level 1 to 1. We have normality, I repeat, we have | | normality. Anything you still can't deal with is therefore your own | \_________________________ problem." ______________________________/ \_____________/ From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Sun Mar 14 23:55:11 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 04:55:11 +0000 Subject: ' Zilla...well, BOC vs. Rush, really... Message-ID: > > And yes, Geddy's voice (especially in the early days) is an acquired taste, > > but many voices are. Heck, I can't understand how anyone could stand to > > listen to Bob Dylan's voice, or Bruce Springsteen's voice, except that I know > > that with time you grow accustomed to an unusual voice. > > > > SET Hey, let's be honest here...while I love Eric Bloom's voice (probably my favorite of all the BOC singers), is it really something to write home about? Even at his most powerful and menacing, I wouldn't characterize EB as a good vocalist. But can he get my blood pumping? Oh hell yeah. -- Nick From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Mon Mar 15 08:51:48 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:51:48 -0500 Subject: BOC: Pissing Contest Message-ID: Somebody wake me when the BOC vs Rush pissing contest is over... From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Mon Mar 15 08:29:00 1999 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:29:00 GMT Subject: HW:Ramble Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1999-03-15 13:29 >I've always >tried to figure out if on the LIVE 1979 version of "Motorway City" at about >the 2:00 minute point it Huw and Dave are trading lead licks, and if so, why >they never seemed to do this again? >Kevin Sommers There is no trading going on there as best I can tell. I don't have it to hand at present but I suspect that the bit you mean is where Dave is plucking out the main riff chords doing something like da-da-da-daaaa-da-da and Huw is on top doing deee-dooo-daaaa deee-dooooo (sort of phonetically you understand). Dave sticks to rhythm throughout this piece. If Huw's lead seems to be coming from one side of the stage then the other, its panning. I can't think of *any* instance of Dave and Huw trading licks. Trading blows is another matter.... Mark From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Mon Mar 15 10:19:49 1999 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:19:49 EST Subject: OFF: Helios Creed Tour Dates Message-ID: Does anyone know who's in the band? regards, Bill Stewart PS to RJ.....the eagle has landed From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Mon Mar 15 11:23:30 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:23:30 -0800 Subject: Pissing Contest Message-ID: Hey, its just a debate for fun and for something to talk about as far as I'm concerned. Gives me something to read and to respond to. Heck, I love both bands... or... both bands suck... whatever..... Its better than an empty or All-Hawkwind list, isn't it? JB -----Original Message----- From: John A. Swartz [mailto:jswartz at MITRE.ORG] Sent: Monday, March 15, 1999 5:52 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: BOC: Pissing Contest Somebody wake me when the BOC vs Rush pissing contest is over... From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Mar 15 10:54:36 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 11:54:36 EDT Subject: Pissing Contest In-Reply-To: <6D986111E966D211A65E00A0C96E961108FAD2@C2> Message-ID: > From: Joseph Brooks > Hey, its just a debate for fun and for something to talk about as far as I'm > concerned. Gives me something to read and to respond to. Heck, I love both > bands... or... both bands suck... whatever..... Its better than an empty or > All-Hawkwind list, isn't it? > > JB > > -----Original Message----- > From: John A. Swartz [mailto:jswartz at MITRE.ORG] > Sent: Monday, March 15, 1999 5:52 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: BOC: Pissing Contest > > Somebody wake me when the BOC vs Rush pissing contest is > over... Couldn't have said it better myself. It NEVER WAS a pissing contest anyway. And since JB and I were the most prolific combatants in this latest skirmish, maybe we know of what we speak. You notice neither of us allowed things to degenerate into name calling or personal attack. It was all [albeit irreverently] confined to music. Also note: while I love to skewer Rush in this forum, I would consider it inappropriate for me to go to a Rush list and piss on their parade. Yet several Rush fans felt it okay to praise Rush at BOC's expense right here on good-ole BOC-L. My conscience is clear as Geddy's warbling contralto... theo From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Mar 15 11:47:28 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 11:47:28 -0500 Subject: HW/OFF: Support College Radio Music... Message-ID: Chuck asked... >>Melting Euphoria--Through the Strands of Time >>This one I bought directly from the band at Strange Daze '98 for a mere $10. >>They sold lots of these I believe. >---Any chance one of these gigs will make it to the West Coast??? Yes! Although I'm reluctant to guess where and when. But I can tell you that Shawn Ahearn of Pangea seems to be definitely bumping up his efforts in promoting space rock, in addition to the Prog festivals/releases he does. For instance, his label is issuing the 2CD Strange Daze compilation (next month?), and he's promoting the Porcupine Tree tour (including the performance at the ProgFest in San Francisco). BTW, here are the current tourdates for that, as far as I know...the May 26 show is with Magma, as well as Progfest. Not sure about any of the other dates. Magma's tour seems more uncertain - I think they're actually planning to go to Mexico City! Porcupine Tree No. America Tour 1999 May 23 Le D'Auteuille Quebec City, Canada May 24 Higher Ground Burlington, Vermont May 26 Phantasmagoria Wheaton, Maryland May 27 Knitting Factory New York May 30 Palace of Fine Arts San Francisco (Progfest '99) June2 Troubadour Los Angeles June3 Shank Hill Milwaukee, Wisconsin June4 House of Blues Chicago June5 Euclid Tavern Cleveland, Ohio Anyway, the Hawkwind US/NA tour planned for this fall is likely to be a joint Lascko/Ahearn project, and that may (and I stress, *may*) lead to some sort of Strange Daze West in the future. Keith H. (FAA) From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Mon Mar 15 12:11:36 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:11:36 +0000 Subject: OFF: Wayne Kramer, London Message-ID: Supported by The Dawn (:-) and Runston Parva(?) 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Name: stuarthamilton.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 247 bytes Desc: Card for Stuart Hamilton URL: From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Mar 15 12:14:10 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:14:10 EST Subject: HW:Ramble Message-ID: In a message dated 3/15/99 9:56:59 AM, edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK writes: <> i fear such is the case... From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Mar 15 12:16:56 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:16:56 EST Subject: Pissing Contest Message-ID: In a message dated 3/15/99 11:55:57 AM, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: << I would consider it inappropriate for me to go to a Rush list and piss on their parade. >> ...ARE THERE such things? shudder>>> ja ne! (grin) >>larry b From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Mon Mar 15 14:34:00 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 11:34:00 -0800 Subject: Off: 101 adjectives Message-ID: Ok, I see what you mean now I guess. I still find it odd that so many people find fault with Rush lyrics.. Eeek, am I a nerd? I like them for the most part. Though I can think of a number of occasions where they just don't work but that's true of all bands. I always found Rush lyrics to be a refreshing change from the ya ya baby teen sex lyrics, party/drug themed lyrics and of course the ever popular doom, death and destruction lyrics. JB -----Original Message----- From: DASLUD at AOL.COM [mailto:DASLUD at AOL.COM] Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 9:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: Off: 101 adjectives In a message dated 3/12/99 12:14:22 PM, Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET writes: <> yeah, after i sent that off i thought i shoulda said something like "LYRICALLY ponderous"; i give them credit though just for having that approach, which is not to say i'd listen to it of my own volition >>> so let's try to envision "clunky" as, like, "the sincere nerd" whom you've met at the door as he's come to date your little sister; and an honorable young man he is....she kinda likes him, enough to let him spend a little cash on her and wish he'd gotten kissed at date's end (never happens) because, well, as she puts it,"i like him, kinda, y'know? but he's just so... ...so clunky...." ja ne! >>larry b From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Mon Mar 15 15:04:27 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:04:27 -0800 Subject: Off: 101 adjectives Message-ID: In my mind, the two terms are similar... BTO fits either. They always reminded me of three trolls under a bridge ("Tra-la-la-la..") :-) My point... Ponderous = dull & lacking fluency, having great weight (So says Webster). Sounds more like Motorhead to me than Rush which I would think of as being airy and light both lyrically and musically by comparison. I just used Motorhead as an example, relevant to the list. I wasn't picking on them. That and I value finesse in music over volume, attitude or aggression. I guess I'm a geezer but I didn't realize there was a distinction between speed and thrash metal. -----Original Message----- From: DASLUD at AOL.COM [mailto:DASLUD at AOL.COM] Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 10:07 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: Off: 101 adjectives In a message dated 3/12/99 12:14:22 PM, Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET writes: << BTO was ponderous.. Most speed metal oriented bands and.. (ducking) bands like Motorhead who's music comes across with about as much finesse as a fart in church (sorry, Lemmy fans...).>> gee i dunno, joe, was BTO "ponderous", or were they "lumbering"? hoo-hah! as for motorhead's lack of "finesse".....your point, sir? waxing rhetorically, "speed metal", in contrast to "thrash metal", tends to involve a maniacal exactitude, as opposed to "finesse"....calling scott heller>>>> whew. >>larry b From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Mar 15 14:25:42 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:25:42 EDT Subject: Off: 101 adjectives In-Reply-To: <6D986111E966D211A65E00A0C96E961108FAD4@C2> Message-ID: > From: Joseph Brooks > In my mind, the two terms are similar... BTO fits either. They always > reminded me of three trolls under a bridge ("Tra-la-la-la..") :-) > > My point... Ponderous = dull & lacking fluency, having great weight (So says > Webster). Sounds more like Motorhead to me than Rush which I would think of > as being airy and light both lyrically and musically by comparison. I just > used Motorhead as an example, relevant to the list. I wasn't picking on > them. That and I value finesse in music over volume, attitude or aggression. > There is a danger in confusing simplicity with lacking in fluency, as there is in confusing verbosity with complexity. Lemmy's lyrics do seem very simple on the surface, kind of like ZZ Top's, yet a closer examination reveals that there is a lot of humor present as well. Remember, a poem of only ten lines may end up being more profound than a 500-page novel that doesn't really say much of anything, much the same way that Albert King could say way more with a handful of notes than Yngwie could in a lifetime of wheddle-deedling... theo From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Mon Mar 15 15:07:14 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:07:14 -0800 Subject: Off: 101 adjectives Message-ID: No.. not politics.. Nooooooo.... I'm no expert either but it would seem closer to the left than right... who cares? Me, I'm a Frisbeetarian. JB -----Original Message----- From: DASLUD at AOL.COM [mailto:DASLUD at AOL.COM] Sent: Friday, March 12, 1999 10:58 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: Off: 101 adjectives In a message dated 3/12/99 5:32:27 PM, Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET writes: << I do agree about Rand but right-winged and libertarian..? hmm.. that's a rare breed indeed.>> to the xtent i know about it, libertarianism is hardly left-wing... ja ne! >>larry b From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 15 15:45:04 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:45:04 +0000 Subject: Off: 101 adjectives Message-ID: On m?n 15 mar 1999 15.25 +0000 "Ted Jackson jr. s2h2" wrote: > Lemmy's lyrics do > seem very simple on the surface, kind of like ZZ Top's, yet a closer > examination reveals that there is a lot of humor present as well. Lemmy has written some of the most intelligent rock lyrics I can think of. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Mon Mar 15 16:21:52 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:21:52 -0800 Subject: Off: 101 adjectives Message-ID: I can't speak much about the merit of Lemmy's lyrics since I'm pretty much clueless when it comes to Motorhead. I've heard just a few tracks and wasn't captivated much at all. Sounded about like early Metallica to me.. (ick!). However, I will say this. I was all ready to start poking fun at Motorhead lyrics but felt the need to actually be right so I looked up some on the web and found that they're not nearly as dumb as I expected them to be... (ruined all my fun, it did...). I've never been much of a fan of the death & damnation approach to rock lyrics but to be honest, I expected Spinal Tap lyrics and they're definitely not that bad. JB -----Original Message----- From: Carl Edlund Anderson [mailto:cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK] Sent: Monday, March 15, 1999 12:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: Off: 101 adjectives On m?n 15 mar 1999 15.25 +0000 "Ted Jackson jr. s2h2" wrote: > Lemmy's lyrics do > seem very simple on the surface, kind of like ZZ Top's, yet a closer > examination reveals that there is a lot of humor present as well. Lemmy has written some of the most intelligent rock lyrics I can think of. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From StevenTice at AOL.COM Mon Mar 15 18:05:05 1999 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:05:05 EST Subject: Pissing Contest Message-ID: In a message dated 3/15/99 11:55:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: << Also note: while I love to skewer Rush in this forum, I would consider it inappropriate for me to go to a Rush list and piss on their parade. Yet several Rush fans felt it okay to praise Rush at BOC's expense right here on good-ole BOC-L. My conscience is clear as Geddy's warbling contralto... >> This is another erroneous argument. No Rush fans came from outside of BOC-L to attack BOC; instead, Rush fans on BOC-L (who were already, of course, BOC fans) simply responded to criticism of Rush by making pointed comparisons to the band we presumably all enjoy. SET From mike at PHOENIXPHOTO.COM Mon Mar 15 18:18:09 1999 From: mike at PHOENIXPHOTO.COM (Michael Stanton) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:18:09 -0500 Subject: ' Zilla...well, BOC vs. Rush, really... Message-ID: >> > And yes, Geddy's voice (especially in the early days) is an acquired taste, >> > SET > > Hey, let's be honest here...while I love Eric Bloom's voice (probably > my favorite of all the BOC singers), is it really something to write > home about? Even at his most powerful and menacing, I wouldn't > characterize EB as a good vocalist. But can he get my blood pumping? > Oh hell yeah. > > -- Nick I agree, same with Ozzy, not the best voice in the world but he sure can rock! Mike From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Mar 15 17:53:27 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:53:27 EDT Subject: Barbra Streisand is better than Rush! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: From: Steven Tice > In a message dated 3/15/99 11:55:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, > tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: > > << Also note: while I love to skewer Rush in this > forum, I would consider it inappropriate for me to go to a Rush list > and piss on their parade. Yet several Rush fans felt it okay to > praise Rush at BOC's expense right here on good-ole BOC-L. My > conscience is clear as Geddy's warbling contralto... >> > > This is another erroneous argument. No Rush fans came from outside of BOC-L > to attack BOC; instead, Rush fans on BOC-L (who were already, of course, BOC > fans) simply responded to criticism of Rush by making pointed comparisons to > the band we presumably all enjoy. Re-read my post. Where did I say that people from some list other than BOC-L attacked BOC? In fact, this makes it all the more hateful to me: that fans who know enough to recognize a great band like BOC would then have the nerve to say Rush are a better band than BOC. This from members of BOC-L! But here's what I really want to put forth: Based on several arguments posited by BOC-L MEMBERS WHO ALSO LIKE RUSH, there seems to be a belief among Rush fans that selling many units and sustaining a career over a long period of time are earmarks of superiority over BOC. Fair enough. Barbra Streisand's carreer has spanned over 4 decades, and she's sold twice as many records as Rush... Therefore, Barbra Streisand is BETTER THAN RUSH!!! thank you tj From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 15 19:13:53 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 00:13:53 +0000 Subject: Off: 101 adjectives Message-ID: On m?n 15 mar 1999 13.21 -0800 "Joseph Brooks" wrote: > I can't speak much about the merit of Lemmy's lyrics since I'm pretty much > clueless when it comes to Motorhead. I've heard just a few tracks and wasn't > captivated much at all. Sounded about like early Metallica to me.. (ick!). Dude (if you'll pardon the expression) the first Metallica album is pretty weak IMO barring the bass solo. Even _March or Die_ and _Iron Fist_ (possibly Motorhead's two weakest albums) beat it :) It's been said before: Motorhead is basically Chuck Berry with nine times the wattage. Except with deeper lyrics :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From StevenTice at AOL.COM Tue Mar 16 01:57:01 1999 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 01:57:01 EST Subject: Barbra Streisand is better than Rush! Message-ID: In a message dated 3/15/99 6:54:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: << there seems to be a belief among Rush fans that selling many units and sustaining a career over a long period of time are earmarks of superiority over BOC. Just for the record, popularity and longevity are indeed irrelevant to the quality of the music, but I wasn't one of the ones who suggested that in the first place. They're measures of success, to be sure, but not musical quality... Therefore, Barbra Streisand is BETTER THAN RUSH!!! >> Well, we're just getting silly now...:-) SET From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Mar 16 01:56:56 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 01:56:56 EST Subject: Off: 101 adjectives Message-ID: In a message dated 3/15/99 3:04:22 PM, Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET writes: <> SEMANTICS IS ALL, comrade... 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I was all ready to start poking fun at Motorhead > lyrics but felt the need to actually be right so I looked up some on the web > and found that they're not nearly as dumb as I expected them to be... > (ruined all my fun, it did...). I've never been much of a fan of the death & > damnation approach to rock lyrics but to be honest, I expected Spinal Tap > lyrics and they're definitely not that bad. Lemmy is a true thinker. Not a lick of book smarts, but a Motorhead lyric speaks more truth than most. Lem is the best-kept secret in rock and roll. Welcome to our world... From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Mar 15 23:36:24 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 04:36:24 +0000 Subject: Barbra Streisand is better than Rush! Message-ID: > But here's what I really want to put forth: > > Based on several arguments posited by BOC-L MEMBERS WHO ALSO LIKE > RUSH, there seems to be a belief among Rush fans that selling many > units and sustaining a career over a long period of time are earmarks > of superiority over BOC. Fair enough. Barbra Streisand's carreer > has spanned over 4 decades, and she's sold twice as many records as > Rush... > > Therefore, Barbra Streisand is BETTER THAN RUSH!!! I don't think anyone really said that popular acceptance makes Rush a better band. For my part, the point I was trying to put forth was that while I've always liked Rush, I've always liked BOC far, far better...and therefore, I have a grudge against Rush because they sustained their popularity while BOC didn't. And I think it's especially unfortunate since Heaven Forbid came out, since it's jam-packed with stuff that's better by far than any new Rush I've heard in the past 10 years or more... -- Nick From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Tue Mar 16 04:58:00 1999 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:58:00 GMT Subject: Off: 101 adjectives Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1999-03-16 09:58 >Lemmy is a true thinker. Not a lick of book smarts, but a Motorhead >lyric speaks more truth than most. Lem is the best-kept secret in >rock and roll. Welcome to our world... I can't tell who wrote the above because the dumb mail program I have to use doesn't show the sender's name or address. Anyway, I just wanted to add a "bravo!" of sorts - Lemmy's lyrics are some of the most insightful and self-parodying in r'n'r. I tip my hat to the guy! Mark (killed by death) From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Tue Mar 16 05:57:20 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Gekke Henkie) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:57:20 +0100 Subject: Barbra Streisand is better than Rush! In-Reply-To: <4EA18B6521D@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: Op 15 Mar 99, om 18:53, Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 schreef: > Therefore, Barbra Streisand is BETTER THAN RUSH!!! And that IS the Thruth! --BArt From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 16 06:31:00 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:31:00 GMT Subject: Barbra Streisand is better than Rush! In-Reply-To: Ted Jackson jr. s2h2's message of Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:53:27 EDT Message-ID: > Based on several arguments posited by BOC-L MEMBERS WHO ALSO LIKE > RUSH, there seems to be a belief among Rush fans that selling many > units and sustaining a career over a long period of time are earmarks > of superiority over BOC. Fair enough. Barbra Streisand's carreer > has spanned over 4 decades, and she's sold twice as many records as > Rush... > > Therefore, Barbra Streisand is BETTER THAN RUSH!!! I heard Bill Clinton said the same thing ;-) > tj FoFP From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Mar 16 06:34:02 1999 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 03:34:02 PST Subject: Barbra Streisand is better than Rush! Message-ID: Folks: Last I heard from the great glass teat (TV), "Zamphir: Master of the Pan Flute" has sold more albums than Elvis and the Beatles COMBINED. So screw this, I am hocking all of my BOC and RUSH albums for Zamphir stuff. As for the "pissing contest", in my opinion it was just a good old fashioned debate. Nobody has really flamed, so I am taking it for what it is... just plain old fun. :^) And hey, who called my #1 fave childhood band BTO "TROLLS"? In my mind they always looked like the answer to the question "What iff some big hulking Viking warriors decided to form a band". Not that I bought their albums because of how they LOOKED mind you. Forever on the road, destined to be Killed by Death by the Ace of Spades...... Torgo Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos *********************************************** Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Mar 16 06:52:52 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:52:52 +0000 Subject: Off: 101 adjectives Message-ID: On tis 16 mar 1999 04.25 +0000 "" wrote: > Lemmy is a true thinker. Not a lick of book smarts, but a Motorhead > lyric speaks more truth than most. Dunno about book smarts from _school_, but the man is supposed to read voraciously. I think it shows in his lyrics. Though he's certainly not the only rocker we've seen who has hidden depths! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From micci at SCI.FI Tue Mar 16 10:05:04 1999 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:05:04 +0200 Subject: OFF: New darXtar, when? Message-ID: Hi all! >At 18:08 1999-03-13 +0000, you wrote: >> Speaking of darXtar, didn't the Commander say the new album >>is basically done? >> >>Cheers, >>Carl >> >>ObCD: Daybreak > >the music production is finished, yes. >but the tricky part is still left to do - to have it out on the market. >I'll ask him about the current status of Tombola, and let you know. > >.joe Atleast there is Genesis and Brian Eno tributes where is DarXtar! A Tribute To Genesis: A Fox lies down (eagle eagcd057) DX play Dancing with the moonlight A Tribute to the music&works of Brian Eno (cleopatra clp 0016-2) The Secret Place is the song what they play here. obcd:HW live-97 Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Mar 16 10:06:30 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:06:30 +0000 Subject: Off: 101 adjectives In-Reply-To: <572804.3130573972@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: >> Lemmy is a true thinker. Not a lick of book smarts, but a Motorhead >> lyric speaks more truth than most. > > Dunno about book smarts from _school_, but the man is >supposed to read voraciously. I think it shows in his lyrics. > > Though he's certainly not the only rocker we've seen who >has hidden depths! > i'll second that! Another top lost hero of rock'n'roll that any of you with garage punk leanings who haven't already encountered his stuff is Billy Childish. over 50? 60? 70? lps of stuff solo/ withe thee milkshakes/mighty caesars/headcoats/headcoatees/black hands and so on, books of poetry, a couple of novels, paintings all done in a very down to earth style. Whilst eschewing verbosity, Billy produces some of the most intense word pictures, and he just keeps on getting better (esp. on thee headcots stuff). From all out fun to the startlingly bleak, he's the Robert Calvert of thee garage punk scene. andrew From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Tue Mar 16 10:29:05 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:29:05 -0500 Subject: BOC: San Francisco 2/24 In-Reply-To: <33466F03A49@library.syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr. s2h2" at Feb 25, 99 01:14:25 pm Message-ID: From: "Magnus, Eric" > > Here's the setlist, I apologize if the order is off a little in the middle, > Buck melted my brain during The Last Days of May. :) Does anybody have (or know of the existence of) a well-recorded bootleg containing the modern "guitar apocalypse" version of Last Days of May? I'd really prefer a semi-pro soundboard bootleg to one done by a fan with a hand-held recorder (unless it was a portable DAT deck). :-) Steve swann at plutonia.com From christou at AS.ARIZONA.EDU Tue Mar 16 11:24:20 1999 From: christou at AS.ARIZONA.EDU (Julian Christou) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:24:20 -0700 Subject: HW: Charisma Releases Message-ID: A long time since I've written to the list. Anyway, what is the status of HW Charisma albums on CD. I have Astounding Sounds, QS&C and 25 Years on. But what anout PXR5 and the elusive "Tales form Atomhege" which is the CD I'd like to get. Are these last two still available? Julian From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Tue Mar 16 11:04:28 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:04:28 -0500 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:______________RE:_Re:_B=D6C:_Sometimes_more_Amazing_then_______?= In-Reply-To: <3C1C15B4FA7@library.syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr. s2h2" at Mar 3, 99 10:34:41 am Message-ID: >> From: DASLUD at AOL.COM >> >> there are worse soundtracks to one's lives...consider the STYX fan... Hey! A Styx fan STARTED this mailing list, bub. ;-) > > Or the Rxxx fan... Well, I got over that. ;-) Mostly. Steve swann at plutonia.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Mar 16 11:12:55 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:12:55 EST Subject: Off: 101 adjectives Message-ID: In a message dated 3/16/99 5:35:27 AM, edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK writes: <<"bravo!" of sorts - Lemmy's lyrics are some of the most insightful and self-parodying in r'n'r. I tip my hat to the guy! >> y yo tambien, amigo>>> adios! >>larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Mar 16 11:23:26 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:23:26 EST Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re: Re:______________RE:_Re:_B=D6C:_Sometimes_more_Amazing_then_______?= Message-ID: In a message dated 3/16/99 11:05:28 AM, swann at PLUTONIA.COM writes: <> your POINT, comrade?? From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Tue Mar 16 11:28:11 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:28:11 -0500 Subject: RADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIO In-Reply-To: <3ec4ed94.36de1de0@aol.com> from "DASLUD@AOL.COM" at Mar 4, 99 00:45:04 am Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: > > AS FAR AS RADIO STUFF GOES, CONSIDER THE ATTACHED > been wantin to see if i can send something like this to y'all... > give it a click! > online radio list Wow. Walker Memorial Basement Radio. ;-) A college buddy of mine used to be the station manager there. WMBR used to do a morning wakeup show called Breakfast of Champions, which was basically a couple hours of the loudest, most raucous hardcore punk and thrash metal they could lay hands on. My roommate used to tune his clock radio to it, so I'd get blasted out of bed at 7am by the likes of Venom and the Dead Kennedies. It seems funny *now*, of course. :) Steve swann at plutonia.com From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Mar 16 11:44:10 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:44:10 -0600 Subject: OFF: Sava question sort of... Message-ID: JB>And about Jon O. I have to agree, for pure sinister sounding, heavy metal, grinding vocals, he's the man. Indeed, nobody does it better. JB>If you recall, you had run down the Savatage catalog for me.. Well, I went to the CD store I frequent and picked up a few. They only had a few so I got Gutter Ballet and.. damn.. I am shit with titles.. Its got a cool fantasy style cover with a scantily clad chick kneeling by a lake or something. Ah the missing title belongs to Edge of Thorns, my personal fave Sava album. Certainly not their best but a sentimental fave with me. Cris Oliva's last album before his untimely death and Zak Steven first album. JB>I have to say, I'm not thrilled with Gutter Ballet. A few songs are likable but... The jury is still out on the other one but I suspect I need to go further back to find the stuff I really like. Gutter will take some getting used too but I love it. They have a live compilation called Ghost in the Ruins that have a few of those songs on it. Listen to studio version of Hounds then try the live version, completely different song. Sav is acutually pretty tame in the studio compared to live, much like BOC. JB>I'm keeping my eye's peeled for that Dr. Butcher you mentioned. This be an import. You may never see it in America, so don't waste time browsing Best Buy. I've played this one for one of our most famous lurkers around here and he laps it up. Finally converted him to liking big Jon's vocal style. There is a second Dr. Buthcer in the works. JB>Hey, love me or hate me, you gotta admit, I get this list to posting, don't I? I luv ya man! L8er Ghost in the Ruins From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Mar 16 12:00:59 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:00:59 -0600 Subject: OFF The end of the Rush Debate? Message-ID: >I don't think anyone really said that popular acceptance makes Rush a better band. For my part, the point I was trying to put forth was that while I've always liked Rush, I've always liked BOC far, far better...and therefore, I have a grudge against Rush because they sustained their popularity while BOC didn't. And I think it's especially unfortunate since Heaven Forbid came out, since it's jam-packed with stuff that's better by far than any new Rush I've heard in the past 10 years or more... -- Nick OK these are good points but why a grudge against Rush? Certainly not their fault. BOC had their chances and captilized them to the max, just never got over the top of that mountian to remain at the forefront. Stones have done it. Rush has, somewhat. Metallica seems to have made it even throw in Kiss. For evey band that does you can probably name ten that won't. Rush matured and changed yet somehow remianed the same. Keeping old fans and recruiting new ones. >Just for the record, popularity and longevity are indeed irrelevant to the quality of the music, but I wasn't one of the ones who suggested that in the first place. They're measures of success, to be sure, but not musical quality... I'd disagree with this. Quality is subjective, you love Motorhead, I prefer Savatage. However when you sustain a long career and sell many records there has to be some quality there. People do not buy sh*t just to be buying sh*t. Well maybe farmers. > Therefore, Barbra Streisand is BETTER THAN RUSH!!! >> With this logic Barbara is better than everyone. >Based on several arguments posited by BOC-L MEMBERS WHO ALSO LIKE RUSH, there seems to be a belief among Rush fans that selling many units and sustaining a career over a long period of time are earmarks of superiority over BOC. What else would you call it? BOC plays clubs and has procduced one album in 10 years. Rush still sells out arenas and at least 8 albums in that time frame. Again the quality of the music is subjective but as an ongoing commercial product, sorry Rush is superior to BOC. For the record I own more BOC albums than Rush. > Somebody wake me when the BOC vs Rush pissing contest is over... Wake up FAQMAN this one has run out of steam. Ghost in the Ruins From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Mar 16 12:12:25 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:12:25 EST Subject: RADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIO Message-ID: In a message dated 3/16/99 11:29:18 AM, swann at PLUTONIA.COM writes: <> yeah, my band was given much airplay on 'mbr early/mid-'80s...cool station From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Tue Mar 16 12:47:08 1999 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:47:08 +0100 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack Mailorder Message-ID: Harald Stuermer?s Sonic Attack mailorder finally has his own website: http://home.t-online.de/home/sonicattack/home.htm e-mail: SonicAttack at t-online.de He?s got a lot of HW stuff for very reasonable prices. And if anyone needs the first Darxtar CD and/or Daybreak, Harald still got a few copies! Andreas From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 16 13:03:26 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:03:26 GMT Subject: RADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIO In-Reply-To: Stephen Swann's message of Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:28:11 -0500 Message-ID: Stephen Swann writes: > > online radio list > > Wow. Walker Memorial Basement Radio. ;-) A college buddy of mine > used to be the station manager there. > > WMBR used to do a morning wakeup show called Breakfast of Champions, that's the title of a Science Fiction book - one of Vonnegut's I think? I wonder which came first? Just curious jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Mar 16 13:10:56 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:10:56 +0000 Subject: RADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIO In-Reply-To: <199903161803.SAA17863@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: >> Wow. Walker Memorial Basement Radio. ;-) A college buddy of mine >> used to be the station manager there. >> >> WMBR used to do a morning wakeup show called Breakfast of Champions, > >that's the title of a Science Fiction book - one of Vonnegut's I think? >I wonder which came first? >Just curious yup. that was one of vonnegut's it came out in 1972 - 'sokay, everyone's a robot kinda thing, bit self-indulgent but readable. No idea about the radio station tho'! andrew "Wrestle poodles and win!" - The Bonzo Dog Band From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Tue Mar 16 13:21:10 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:21:10 -0500 Subject: BOC: I'd Like to See You in Boston Message-ID: Hope to see some of you at the Middle East in Cambridge on Thursday night. Show starts at 9 - there are 2 bands before BOC starts - The Johnny Black Trio and The Outlets. I know nothing of either band but rumor has it that the Johnny Black Trio is quite good. Also, note that there are essentially 2 clubs at the Middle East, so don't go to the wrong show! Lots of good info can be found at the club's website (including directions): http://www.mideastclub.com/ I should be at the club by 8:30 - wearing blue jeans, a slightly beat-up brown leather jacket and a black t-shirt with a Tommy Hilfiger logo, probably with a beer in hand, hanging out either by the soundboard or toward the stage. Oh, and if the music has started, I'll have my earplugs in. Hope to see some of you there! John Swartz From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Tue Mar 16 13:24:45 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:24:45 -0500 Subject: BOC: Pissing off the mark? Message-ID: Sorry if I offended anyone with my "pissing contest" comment. No offense toward any individuals was meant. To me (and I'll even say I didn't read ever post in the BOC vs Rush threads), the thread seemed to be degenerating into some pointless discussion... I know, who am I do say? I have no real excuse, except that I gave up coffee for Lent. John -- John A. Swartz - The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA - jswartz at mitre.org "Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to Anger. Anger leads to Hate. Hate leads to SUFFERING." -- Yoda (Star Wars: Episode 1 - The Phantom Menace) From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Tue Mar 16 13:26:47 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:26:47 -0500 Subject: I'd Like to See You in Boston Message-ID: As I recall (from the website) - there are 3 stages: Upstairs, Downstairs, and Corner. What is the parking like? Non-existant like most of Boston and the vicinity? BCNU > ---------- > From: John A. Swartz[SMTP:jswartz at MITRE.ORG] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 1:21 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: BOC: I'd Like to See You in Boston > > Hope to see some of you at the Middle East in Cambridge on Thursday night. > > Show starts at 9 - there are 2 bands before BOC starts - The Johnny > Black Trio > and The Outlets. I know nothing of either band but rumor has it that the > Johnny Black Trio is quite good. Also, note that there are essentially 2 > clubs at the Middle East, so don't go to the wrong show! > > Lots of good info can be found at the club's website (including > directions): > > http://www.mideastclub.com/ > > I should be at the club by 8:30 - wearing blue jeans, a slightly beat-up > brown > leather jacket and a black t-shirt with a Tommy Hilfiger logo, probably > with a > beer in hand, hanging out either by the soundboard or toward the stage. > Oh, > and if the music has started, I'll have my earplugs in. Hope to see > some of > you there! > > John Swartz > From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Mar 16 13:35:10 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:35:10 -0000 Subject: RADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIO In-Reply-To: <199903161803.SAA17863@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > > WMBR used to do a morning wakeup show called Breakfast of Champions, > > that's the title of a Science Fiction book - one of Vonnegut's I think? > I wonder which came first? Kurt Vonnegut's _Breakfast of Champions_ itself alludes to a slogan used for a breakfast cereal, iirc, so they may be no direct connection between the two... - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Tue Mar 16 13:41:04 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:41:04 -0500 Subject: RADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIO Message-ID: And I believe that the Breakfast of Champions (in the book) is a Martini. > ---------- > From: Andy Gilham[SMTP:Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 1:35 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: > RADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIO > > > > WMBR used to do a morning wakeup show called Breakfast of Champions, > > > > that's the title of a Science Fiction book - one of Vonnegut's I think? > > I wonder which came first? > > Kurt Vonnegut's _Breakfast of Champions_ itself alludes to a slogan used > for > a breakfast cereal, iirc, so they may be no direct connection between the > two... > > - Andy > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Tue Mar 16 14:16:44 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:16:44 -0500 Subject: RADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIO In-Reply-To: <199903161803.SAA17863@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> from "J Strobridge" at Mar 16, 99 06:03:26 pm Message-ID: J Strobridge writes: > > Stephen Swann writes: > > > > online radio list > > > > Wow. Walker Memorial Basement Radio. ;-) A college buddy of mine > > used to be the station manager there. > > > > WMBR used to do a morning wakeup show called Breakfast of Champions, > > that's the title of a Science Fiction book - one of Vonnegut's I think? > I wonder which came first? > Just curious > jill There's probably no connection. "Breakfast of Champions" was originally the ad slogan of Wheaties breakfast cereal, but it then became (in US pop culture anyway) a joking byword for having something noxious for breakfast: anything from "cold pizza and beer", to cocaine, to a 2-hour dose of hardcore punk music. This kind of thing happens all the time in the US - "Where's the beef?" was probably the best known example of a phrase from a TV commercial invading everyday speech. But other stuff like "Uh-oh, Spaghettio", and "Calgon, take me away" are probably familiar to any 'merican list members over 30yrs old. ;-) Without even having read the novel, just from what I know of Vonnegut, I would guess he was just referencing the pop-culture joke. Steve swann at plutonia.com From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Mar 16 14:17:31 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:17:31 -0500 Subject: OFF: Weird radio Message-ID: Speaking of radio stations, I noticed our local "oldies" station (105.3 FM) has become very weird recently. About two days or so ago it began transmitting nothing but a heartbeat sound, punctuated occasionally by what sounded like a sonar "blip." Then, after about a day of that, they started playing Lynyrd Skynyrd songs non-stop. Now they announce themselves as "105.3 Lynyrd Skynrd" and have soundbites like "All Skynyrd all the time..." What is going on? Is this some millenial portent I am unaware of? Can I expect "All Hawkwind all hours" next? Armageddon?? ;-) Cheers, Paul. PS: Speaking of portents, I'm Jonesin' for the upcoming Gov't Mule live double CD taken from their New Year's Eve concert just gone. It's due out 23rd March, 1999, with promises of a 4CD set of the full gig to appear somewhere down the road. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Tue Mar 16 14:28:43 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:28:43 -0500 Subject: BOC:Live Album In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990308212611.0068d688@mail1.wizvax.net> from "Bolts of Ungodly Vision" at Mar 8, 99 09:26:11 pm Message-ID: Bolts of Ungodly Vision writes: > > >Hell its probably to much to ask to ressurect Subhuman or Teen Archer but if > >they toss me a bone say ME 262 I'd forgive them. > I know Teen Archer was done fairly recently live, c. '93. As was I love the > Night. Vigil received a workout at a show I saw in Buffalo in 96 or 97... > the monologue before it essentially said that the performance was one of > the first times they've done it in a while. Figgers. I attend every show they play in Buffalo between '88 and about '94, and every time see them play the Static Setlist from Hell that they were using during that period. I leave Buffalo in 95, and what do they do? Come to my (former) home town and play The Vigil, of all things. GOD DAMN IT. Steve, feeling horribly cheated swann at panix.com From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Tue Mar 16 14:28:51 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:28:51 -0500 Subject: Weird radio Message-ID: I remember many a year ago, a local station's management gave a pink slip to the evening DJ. So, he proceeded to play "You Are My Sunshine" straight for the entire evening (no commercials either). > ---------- > From: Paul Mather[SMTP:paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 2:17 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: OFF: Weird radio > > Speaking of radio stations, I noticed our local "oldies" station (105.3 > FM) has become very weird recently. About two days or so ago it began > transmitting nothing but a heartbeat sound, punctuated occasionally by > what sounded like a sonar "blip." Then, after about a day of that, they > started playing Lynyrd Skynyrd songs non-stop. Now they announce > themselves as "105.3 Lynyrd Skynrd" and have soundbites like "All > Skynyrd all the time..." > > What is going on? Is this some millenial portent I am unaware of? Can > I expect "All Hawkwind all hours" next? Armageddon?? ;-) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > PS: Speaking of portents, I'm Jonesin' for the upcoming Gov't Mule live > double CD taken from their New Year's Eve concert just gone. It's due > out 23rd March, 1999, with promises of a 4CD set of the full gig to > appear somewhere down the road. > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" > --- James Marshall Hendrix > From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Mar 16 15:28:02 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:28:02 -0800 Subject: Off: 101 adjectives Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:06:30 +0000, andrew wrote: >>> Lemmy is a true thinker. Not a lick of book smarts, but a Motorhead >>> lyric speaks more truth than most. >> >> Dunno about book smarts from _school_, but the man is >>supposed to read voraciously. I think it shows in his lyrics. >> >> Though he's certainly not the only rocker we've seen who >>has hidden depths! >> >i'll second that! Another top lost hero of rock'n'roll that any of you with >garage punk leanings who haven't already encountered his stuff is Billy >Childish. over 50? Man, he passed 50 YEARS ago! I'm too terrified to consider what his discography must be up to by now ... >60? 70? lps of stuff solo/ withe thee milkshakes/mighty >caesars/headcoats/headcoatees/black hands and so on, books of poetry, a >couple of novels, paintings all done in a very down to earth style. Whilst >eschewing verbosity, Billy produces some of the most intense word pictures, >and he just keeps on getting better (esp. on thee headcots stuff). From all >out fun to the startlingly bleak, he's the Robert Calvert of thee garage >punk scene. Yeah! I think that's a great analogy (except that not even the thoroughly manic Calvert was as prolific as mr. Childish). Then again, so's the Lemmy one (even to the extent that even though Mot?rhead are pigeonholed as a "metal" band and Thee Headcoats are pigeonholed as a "garage" band, they're both simply great ROCK AND ROLL bands - nothing more, nothing less). One of the great things about him is that even though he's best known for his garage-punk bands (yeah, Thee Headcoats have blown me away every time I've seen them live), he's also a prolific painter, poet and writer. And he's done some really bizarre semi-spoken-word recordings consisting of strange rantings and electronic noises ... not what you'd expect from a guy whose band sounds like the Kinks circa '64. -Doug ceres at sirius.com (who would much rather be discussing Billy Childish than Rush or Barbara Streisand!) From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Tue Mar 16 16:14:54 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:14:54 -0500 Subject: ' Zilla In-Reply-To: <496E1D2623E@library.syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr. s2h2" at Mar 12, 99 07:41:04 am Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 writes: > > Success is relative, and remember, when I was young, BOC was huge. I thought when you were young, Glenn Miller was huge? ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Tue Mar 16 16:20:37 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:20:37 -0500 Subject: Rush vs. B^ C In-Reply-To: <36e950d0.5273725@smtp.softhome.net> from "Goran Janicijevic" at Mar 12, 99 05:59:28 pm Message-ID: Goran Janicijevic writes: > > What Rush did with their career flow, is unique - from critics scorn > to acclaim; evolution from one of the most annoying, to the one of the > finest bands ever. Therefore, ridiculing Geddy's voice is just pass?. I only started ridiculing his voice *after* he stopped shrieking his lungs out - I *loved* the old balls-in-the-vice buzzsaw voice. ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Mar 16 17:24:12 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:24:12 -0500 Subject: OFF: Weird radio gets weirder... Message-ID: Whilst coming home today, I was listening to the weird "105.3 Lynyrd Skynyrd" radio station I mentioned previously when on came a whiny/plaintive voice saying "I don't thinks I can takes no more Lynyrd Skynyrd..." A woman answers, "well how about some Led Zeppelin, then?" And, lo!, now we have "105.3 Led Zeppelin" (as they are announcing themselves) on the dial and they're playing nothing but Led Zeppelin continuously, now. I wonder what madness may yet come about? Will the pinnacle of the 105.3 evolution be a blessed nirvana of NON STOP NO-HOLDS-BARRED B*L*A*N*G*A??? One can only hope... ;-) Cheers, Paul. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Mar 16 17:45:09 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:45:09 -0500 Subject: OFF: Weird radio gets weirder... Message-ID: Paul said... >Whilst coming home today, I was listening to the weird "105.3 Lynyrd >Skynyrd" radio station I mentioned previously when on came a >whiny/plaintive voice saying "I don't thinks I can takes no more >Lynyrd Skynyrd..." A woman answers, "well how about some Led >Zeppelin, then?" And, lo!, now we have "105.3 Led Zeppelin" (as they >are announcing themselves) on the dial and they're playing nothing but >Led Zeppelin continuously, now. > >I wonder what madness may yet come about? Will the pinnacle of the >105.3 evolution be a blessed nirvana of NON STOP NO-HOLDS-BARRED >B*L*A*N*G*A??? No, but simply non-stop Nirvana probably. :( No, seriously, first there will be "105.3 B?C" and then "105.3 Rush." And of course, the Rush will last longer. :) Keith H. (FAA) From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Mar 16 21:42:07 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 02:42:07 +0000 Subject: OFF: gig report Message-ID: well managed to make it to 2 gigs tonight (the 2nd 4 free by saying "yeah, weere on the guest list and looking mental - always works :-) 1st one: missed the 3rd band on, saw DBH, standard fare hardcore/ speedmetal, the singer wore an Obituary tshirt which is about the extent of it. Nothing special but still alright. Main band: Tribute To Nothing. Now, I'm pretty much old old school when it comes to hardcore (DKs/Conflict?etc.) but this lot were shit hot, it was kinda 'Now That's what I call Hardcore' with that little bit extra: unexpected tempo changes, the occasional backing tapesand the bass'n'drums were rock solid enough to let the guitarist (it was a 3-piece) try something a little different now and again. Whilst all that was going on they were still good'n'fast'n'loud. >From what i can tell from group tastes then Carl (and those who see the world as he does) would probably dig these guys pretty heavily. 2nd one: Cato, the first band on are always worth seeing: imagine melodic Spacemen 3 crossed with the Velvets somewhere in the imaginary space between the 2nd and 3rd albums. Crescendic is the only word i can think of to describe them, and i just had to make it up. Don't miss 'em! second lot on: Sasquatch : love the name, bit nonplussed by the sound. As my companion for the evening put it, "well, they're good background music, at least you can have a conversation whilst they're on." And that just aboyt sums 'em up: drifting acoustic nouveau space rock, not my cup'o'char. But i'm sure some people love 'em. later andrew "The first time you open your eyes they plug you into all of their lies" - The Ruts From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Mar 16 22:28:32 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 03:28:32 +0000 Subject: ' Zilla In-Reply-To: <199903162114.QAA26178@imperatrix.plutonia.com> Message-ID: >> Success is relative, and remember, when I was young, BOC was huge. > >I thought when you were young, Glenn Miller was huge? >;-) hey! hawks content! just met some bloke tonight and spent a happy 10 minutes swapping tales of fucking mental nik (in his various disgiuses) gigs freaking out to in the mood wahey! punk rock glen miller! all the time! andrew waiting for 105.3 spacejazz punk "The first time you open your eyes they plug you into all of their lies" - The Ruts From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Mar 16 22:31:37 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 03:31:37 +0000 Subject: Off: 101 adjectives In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990316122802.00860710@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: sorry 'bout the wasted bandwidth everyone, but "well said that chap", we got our headcoats on! >Yeah! I think that's a great analogy (except that not even the thoroughly >manic Calvert was as prolific as mr. Childish). Then again, so's the Lemmy >one (even to the extent that even though Mot?rhead are pigeonholed as a >"metal" band and Thee Headcoats are pigeonholed as a "garage" band, they're >both simply great ROCK AND ROLL bands - nothing more, nothing less). One >of the great things about him is that even though he's best known for his >garage-punk bands (yeah, Thee Headcoats have blown me away every time I've >seen them live), he's also a prolific painter, poet and writer. And he's >done some really bizarre semi-spoken-word recordings consisting of strange >rantings and electronic noises ... not what you'd expect from a guy whose >band sounds like the Kinks circa '64. > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com > >(who would much rather be discussing Billy Childish than Rush or Barbara >Streisand!) > "Mass media believer So full of shit" - The Lurkers From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Tue Mar 16 23:28:39 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:28:39 -0600 Subject: OFF The end of the Rush Debate? Message-ID: "BREVARD, Adrian R." wrote: > > >I don't think anyone really said that popular acceptance makes Rush a > better band. For my part, the point I was trying to put forth was > that while I've always liked Rush, I've always liked BOC far, far > better...and therefore, I have a grudge against Rush because they > sustained their popularity while BOC didn't. And I think it's > especially unfortunate since Heaven Forbid came out, since it's > jam-packed with stuff that's better by far than any new Rush I've > heard in the past 10 years or more... > > -- Nick > > OK these are good points but why a grudge against Rush? Certainly not their > fault. BOC had their chances and captilized them to the max, just never got > over the top of that mountian to remain at the forefront. Stones have done > it. Rush has, somewhat. Metallica seems to have made it even throw in > Kiss. For evey band that does you can probably name ten that won't. Rush > matured and changed yet somehow remianed the same. Keeping old fans and > recruiting new ones. B?C biggest, and only real problem, was there capitalization practices, that was the ONLY reason they never made it "over that mountain". I think if you could surgically remove Mirrors, Revolution, and Club Ninja from history, they would be a lot more popular today. You are only as good as your last album, and when B?C "died" it was in the late 80's, due to albums like Revolution and Club Ninja. I think if Heaven Forbid would of been released before the damage was inflicted, even after a 10 year hiatus following ETL, it would of sold millions, how do you English say it; "this chap was late for his own funeral" :-). Laj. From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM Wed Mar 17 01:00:05 1999 From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (BL Young) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:00:05 -0800 Subject: HW: Who is dat? Message-ID: Stephan Spiegel wrote: > > Someone on eBay just listed a "Rare Photo" found under a "Hawkwind" > search. > > I never saw this person before....Anyone know who it is? "Dude looks > like a lady" > > > Hawkman. Might be the character on the cover of the cd "Friday Rock Show".... That one always looked like a gender-bender to me. Bryan -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Young CANADA blyoung AT bigfoot DOT com ----------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/Area51/7118 SF Reading Club http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 Hawkwind http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/6878 IFHL-FLA ----------------------------------------------------------- "20 minutes goes by pretty fast when you're on a breakaway" From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Tue Mar 16 23:39:13 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:39:13 -0600 Subject: Barbra Streisand is better than Rush! Message-ID: Torgo Sedler wrote: > > Folks: > > Last I heard from the great glass teat (TV), "Zamphir: Master of the Pan > Flute" has sold more albums than Elvis and the Beatles COMBINED. Could believe that looking at my mothers LP collection . > So screw this, I am hocking all of my BOC and RUSH albums for Zamphir > stuff. YA GOT A DEAL! I'll trade ya strait across for my moms Zamp LP collection ;-). > As for the "pissing contest", in my opinion it was just a good old > fashioned debate. Nobody has really flamed, so I am taking it for what > it is... just plain old fun. :^) > > And hey, who called my #1 fave childhood band BTO "TROLLS"? In my mind > they always looked like the answer to the question "What iff some big > hulking Viking warriors decided to form a band". > > Not that I bought their albums because of how they LOOKED mind you. Unfortunately most music sells that way, just think if he was a "pretty boy", Randy Bachman would be able to steal some of that Backstreet Boys market :-). Though to be perfectly honest, I DID buy Twisted Sisters Stay Hungry for the way Dee Snider looked (I was 9) :-). Laj. > > Forever on the road, destined to be Killed by Death by the Ace of > Spades...... > > Torgo > > Torgo has left the building....... > *********************************************** > DrTorgo at hotmail.com > http://welcome.to/torgos > *********************************************** > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Mar 17 01:45:38 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 01:45:38 EST Subject: RADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIO Message-ID: In a message dated 3/16/99 1:04:17 PM, eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: <> 'tis indeed, luv, from the '70s i think >>larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Mar 17 01:50:36 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 01:50:36 EST Subject: RADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIO Message-ID: In a message dated 3/16/99 1:04:17 PM, eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: <> maybe it's a dumb thing to say but the title "breakfast of champions" also played off the longtime advertising slogan for WHEATIES breakfast cereal...vonnegut's book cover sleeve was designed kinda like a WHEATIES (at least one edition was...)... i dunno, maybe they dont sell it in england...^-~ ja ne! >>larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Mar 17 01:58:27 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 01:58:27 EST Subject: RADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIO Message-ID: In a message dated 3/16/99 2:17:50 PM, swann at PLUTONIA.COM writes: < Received: from rly-ya04.mx.aol.com (rly-ya04.mail.aol.com [172.18.144.196]) by air-ya03.mx.aol.com (v56.26) with SMTP; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:17:49 -0500 Received: from LIME.EASE.LSOFT.COM (lime.ease.lsoft.com [209.119.1.41]) by rly-ya04.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id OAA24987; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:17:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from PEAR.EASE.LSOFT.COM (209.119.0.19) by LIME.EASE.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for Digital Unix v1.1b) with SMTP id <13.00184324 at LIME.EASE.LSOFT.COM>; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:16:16 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.SPC.EDU by LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 26374 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:17:40 -0500 Received: from mailgate.spc.edu (root at mailgate.spc.edu [192.107.46.158]) by listserv.spc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.8/SPC-2.2-NORELAY) with ESMTP id OAA19838 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:17:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from imperatrix.plutonia.com (plutonia.com [166.84.217.13]) by mailgate.spc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/SPC-3.1-NORELAY) with ESMTP id OAA14503 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:17:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from swann at localhost) by imperatrix.plutonia.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id >> From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Mar 17 02:01:53 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 02:01:53 EST Subject: OFF: Weird radio Message-ID: In a message dated 3/16/99 2:17:55 PM, paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU writes: <> WHERE ARE YOU?? are you kidding? see what kinda world this is that i should have to ask "are you kidding?" (grin) ja ne! >.larry b From StevenTice at AOL.COM Wed Mar 17 02:11:47 1999 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 02:11:47 EST Subject: OFF: Breakfast of Champions... Message-ID: Ah, my favorite Vonnegut novel... I even got him to sign my copy, and he included the little "asshole" drawing from the interior in his signature. :-) I rather like Wheaties, too, actually...:-) SET From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Mar 16 23:29:00 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 04:29:00 +0000 Subject: Weird radio Message-ID: > I remember many a year ago, a local station's management gave a pink slip to > the evening DJ. So, he proceeded to play "You Are My Sunshine" straight for > the entire evening (no commercials either). Who's the moron who fired this guy AND LET HIM BACK ON-AIR for one last shift?! If yer gonna be that friggin' stupid, you deserve what you get! -- Nick From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Mar 17 04:26:40 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:26:40 -0000 Subject: Barbra Streisand is better than Rush! In-Reply-To: <36EF31F1.AAF3F331@dlcwest.com> Message-ID: > Unfortunately most music sells that way, just think if he was a "pretty > boy", Randy Bachman would be able to steal some of that Backstreet Boys > market :-). So that's why the "Bus Stop featuring Randy Bachman" rap version of "You Ain't Seen Nothin' yet" barely troubled the top twenty... - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Mar 17 05:24:45 1999 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:24:45 +0000 Subject: RADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIO In-Reply-To: <59f26fa4.36ef50bc@aol.com> Message-ID: At 01:50 17/03/99 EST, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: >WHEATIES breakfast cereal... >i dunno, maybe they dont sell it in england... Nope. The only place I've heard of it is Bloom County, which also taught me that cockroaches are socialists: "Fascist tyrannical home-owner! Give us some Wheaties!". Dave. Languages Group Manager. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Mar 17 06:12:04 1999 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 03:12:04 PST Subject: OFF: Breakfast of Champions Message-ID: Once upon a time, Steven Tice said.......... >>Ah, my favorite Vonnegut novel... I even got him to sign my copy, and he included the little "asshole" drawing from the interior in his signature. :-)<<< Ok, if I ever meet Vonnegut I'll get him to draw the "wide open beaver" in mine. :^) The thing that struck me funny about this, and prompted me to post 3 days in a row (as Vonnegut would say "Imagine that!"), was that just YESTERDAY I finished reading "Breakfast of Champions" for the first time. Weird coincidence. Nothing like staying current in my reading. BoC was incredible, but it still hasn't been able to topple my all time favorite Vonnegut novel, SLAPSTICK. Torgo (who really must stop this morning posting as he is now late for work) Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos *********************************************** Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK Wed Mar 17 18:18:49 1999 From: D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK (Derrick C Chilton) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:18:49 +0000 Subject: HW: Bedouin Tour UK Message-ID: Hi, Does anyone have the URL details of the current Bedouin tour, I've lost the details. Many thanks Derrick... From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 17 06:16:55 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:16:55 GMT Subject: RADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIO In-Reply-To: Stephen Swann's message of Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:16:44 -0500 Message-ID: Stephen Swann writes: > J Strobridge writes: > > > WMBR used to do a morning wakeup show called Breakfast of Champions, > > > > that's the title of a Science Fiction book - one of Vonnegut's I think? > > I wonder which came first? > > Just curious > > jill > > There's probably no connection. "Breakfast of Champions" was > originally the ad slogan of Wheaties breakfast cereal, but it then > became (in US pop culture anyway) a joking byword for having something > noxious for breakfast: anything from "cold pizza and beer", to ah! Witty-Bix thanks everyone! cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Mar 17 07:57:31 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:57:31 -0000 Subject: OFF: Godspeed You Black Emperor! Message-ID: Probably noone's excited about this but me, but this mysterious Canadian 12-piece, whose _f#a#oo_ album is a thing of wonder, are playing the Improv Theatre, Tottenham Court Road, on April 27. I'm there! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 17 10:21:30 1999 From: Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK (Neil Ward) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:21:30 GMT Subject: HW: Bedouin Tour UK In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:18:49 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, > Does anyone have the URL details of the current Bedouin tour, I've >lost the details. > >Many thanks > > Derrick... Check http://www.conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk/whats_new.html for latest Bedouin dates. Alan starts next Thursday in Cheltenham. Cheers, Neil. From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Wed Mar 17 10:22:13 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:22:13 -0500 Subject: Cultosaurus Erectus In-Reply-To: <36EADA4E.185051F0@dlcwest.com> from "Laj Waldner" at Mar 13, 99 03:36:14 pm Message-ID: Laj Waldner writes: > > I'm kinda out of my area here), though after listening to one selection > from each disk they don't seem to be much different at all. They have it Egads. Cultosaurus was just *not* one of the albums that seriously needed improvement (neither was Agents, but I can understand them doing that one just for the commercial possibilities in getting to re-sell Reaper one more time). When is somebody going to rescue Spectres from digital hell?! Steve From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Wed Mar 17 10:34:44 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:34:44 -0500 Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990313235602.00692690@mail1.wizvax.net> from "Bolts of Ungodly Vision" at Mar 13, 99 11:56:02 pm Message-ID: Bolts of Ungodly Vision writes: > > a fascination with the Moody Blues/Styx--Ah, that it. they're > "semi-refined" rockers in a wanna-be-progressive way that is like the > Monekess wanting to be rock and rollers schtick(?). Actually they're a bunch of kids from Chicago who accidentally hit the big time. They wrote a hell of a lot of good rock-n-roll (which you'll never have heard, because I seriously doubt that you've even *met* anybody who owns a copy of "Serpent" or "Equinox"). Then they got carried away with their own success, and started getting into artsy, overblown concept albums in the late 70s/early 80s. They made really big fools of themselves, and they've never lived it down. Anyway, feel free to continue with the big Styx bashing festival. They're a *real* easy target, so I'm sure you'll all get in lots of good, stinging put downs that will show everyone on the list just how clever you are. :-) Steve swann at plutonia.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Mar 17 11:09:27 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:09:27 EST Subject: OFF: Weird radio gets weirder... Message-ID: In a message dated 3/16/99 5:24:28 PM, paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU writes: <> i think under the circumstances i'll be looking forward to "105.3 METAL MACHINE MUSIC" ^-~ ja ne! >>larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Mar 17 11:05:49 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:05:49 EST Subject: OFF: Breakfast of Champions Message-ID: In a message dated 3/17/99 6:13:17 AM, drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM writes: <<(who really must stop this morning posting as he is now late for work) >> indeed, this has happened to me the last couple days...^-~ ja ne! >>larry b From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Wed Mar 17 11:46:46 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:46:46 -0500 Subject: OFF: Breakfast of Champions Message-ID: Do your posting from work. :> It breaks up the monotony of the figuring out which job to avoid today for the next hour. > ---------- > From: DASLUD at AOL.COM[SMTP:DASLUD at AOL.COM] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 11:05 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: OFF: Breakfast of Champions > > In a message dated 3/17/99 6:13:17 AM, drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM writes: > > <<(who really must stop this morning posting as he is now late for > work) > >> > > indeed, this has happened to me the last couple days...^-~ > > ja ne! > >>larry b > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 17 11:55:21 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:55:21 GMT Subject: BOC rarity offerred? Message-ID: I spotted, in someomne's list, the following: Blue Oyster Cult/Aerosmith rare Promo only LP One side each band. YAP66 EX/M Offers to: Toshiyasu Sasaki Piloti Kunitachi 101 43-14 Hikari-Cho 1 Chome Kokobunji-shi Tokyo 185-0034 Japan Fax (81)-425-76-4036 So is this the BOC equivalent of the Hawkwind/Jefferson Airplane LP? FoFP From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Wed Mar 17 11:51:20 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:51:20 -0500 Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip Message-ID: When did Serpent come out? asks the proud owner of 'Equinox'. > ---------- > From: Stephen Swann[SMTP:swann at PLUTONIA.COM] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 10:34 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip > > Bolts of Ungodly Vision writes: > > > > a fascination with the Moody Blues/Styx--Ah, that it. they're > > "semi-refined" rockers in a wanna-be-progressive way that is like the > > Monekess wanting to be rock and rollers schtick(?). > > Actually they're a bunch of kids from Chicago who accidentally hit the > big time. They wrote a hell of a lot of good rock-n-roll (which > you'll never have heard, because I seriously doubt that you've even > *met* anybody who owns a copy of "Serpent" or "Equinox"). Then they > got carried away with their own success, and started getting into > artsy, overblown concept albums in the late 70s/early 80s. They made > really big fools of themselves, and they've never lived it down. > > Anyway, feel free to continue with the big Styx bashing festival. > They're a *real* easy target, so I'm sure you'll all get in lots of > good, stinging put downs that will show everyone on the list just how > clever you are. :-) > > Steve > swann at plutonia.com > From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Mar 17 12:03:33 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:03:33 -0800 Subject: OFF:Dressing Like a Champ Message-ID: JS>I should be at the club by 8:30 - wearing blue jeans, a slightly beat-up brown leather jacket and a black t-shirt with a Tommy Hilfiger logo, probably with a beer in hand, hanging out either by the soundboard or toward the stage. Oh, and if the music has started, I'll have my earplugs in. Hope to see some of you there! Oh I get cised! Tommy T-shirt, Kevin Bacon looks and a Sam Adams? Are we wearing our glasses too? Hehehehehe John I figured you's go in wearing at least a Vixen t-shirt hehehehehehehehehehe Ghost in the Ruins From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Wed Mar 17 12:05:02 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:05:02 -0800 Subject: RADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIO Message-ID: Actually, I believe that Wheaties was the "Breakfast of Champions" as far back as the 50's which is where Vonnegut got the phrase. JB -----Original Message----- From: Andy Gilham [mailto:Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM] Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 10:35 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: RADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIO > > WMBR used to do a morning wakeup show called Breakfast of Champions, > > that's the title of a Science Fiction book - one of Vonnegut's I think? > I wonder which came first? Kurt Vonnegut's _Breakfast of Champions_ itself alludes to a slogan used for a breakfast cereal, iirc, so they may be no direct connection between the two... - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Mar 17 12:08:31 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:08:31 EST Subject: RADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIO Message-ID: In a message dated 3/17/99 12:05:09 PM, Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET writes: <> >>.at least since the '40s, when baseball players were plugging it in ads>>> ja ne! >>larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Mar 17 12:03:46 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:03:46 EST Subject: OFF: Breakfast of Champions Message-ID: In a message dated 3/17/99 11:53:19 AM, russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM writes: <>> BWAHH-HA-HA if you only knew where i worked..... From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Mar 17 12:02:15 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:02:15 EST Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip Message-ID: In a message dated 3/17/99 10:46:23 AM, swann at PLUTONIA.COM writes: <> >and then there's the (affected accent) "i'm above such things, myself" approach ^-~ >>larry b From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Mar 17 12:12:54 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:12:54 -0800 Subject: BOC: Pissing off the mark? Message-ID: >Sorry if I offended anyone with my "pissing contest" comment. Well since you mentioned it... A man walks up to the bartender and places a wager. "I'll bet you $200 that I can stand six feet away from a beer mug and piss in it without touching anything else. "$200 bucks?" "Yeah, it is a bet?" "Sure, I'll even set the mug on the bar for you." The man proceeds to unzip his pants. He takes aim at the mug and commences to let fly. He misses the mug be several feet and ends up pissing over most of the bar, the floor and even the bartender himself, who cannot restrain his joy of making $200 bucks so easily. "Damn guess I lost that bet huh?" "You sure did buddy. Now where is my $200?" The man tells the bartender to hold on a minute he would go and fetch the money he owed him. The bartender begins to towel off himself and the bar when he notices the man talking to a couple of rough biker types near the pool table. He watches as the biker types pass the man a roll of bills that could choke a horse. Smiling the man makes his way back to the bartender. "You sure look happy for a guy who just lost $200 bucks on a stupid bet." "Sure I am. While I may owe you $200 bucks those guys over there gave me $2,000." "Why would they do that?" "Because while I bet you I could piss in the mug, I bet them that not only could I piss over your entire bar and you, you'd be happy to let me do it." Ghost in the Ruins From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Wed Mar 17 13:12:44 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:12:44 -0500 Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip In-Reply-To: <602964f4.36efe017@aol.com> from "DASLUD@AOL.COM" at Mar 17, 99 12:02:15 pm Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: > > In a message dated 3/17/99 10:46:23 AM, swann at PLUTONIA.COM writes: > > < They're a *real* easy target, so I'm sure you'll all get in lots of > good, stinging put downs that will show everyone on the list just how > clever you are. :-) > >> > > >and then there's the (affected accent) "i'm above such things, myself" > approach ^-~ Yeah, I just forgot to mention it. I've never made fun of anybody. ;-) Anyways... I just hate to see musicians who worked a long time for their success get run down due to some (serious) misjudgements made in their later years. And this business of kicking the shit out of bands who have no defenders is getting kind of old. Steve swann at plutonia.com From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Wed Mar 17 13:22:20 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:22:20 -0500 Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip In-Reply-To: <91B3F4CA7220D1118BA00000F83114BD021CF2FA@emss05m03.sanders.lmco.com> from "Hall, Russell J" at Mar 17, 99 11:51:20 am Message-ID: Hall, Russell J writes: > > When did Serpent come out? asks the proud owner of 'Equinox'. In '73 or '74 I think, on the Wooden Nickel label. Actually the full title is _The Serpent is Rising_, and BMG did a pretty decent CD reissue (now out of print) in the mid-80s. You can probably find a used copy if you look, and if you like Equinox, there's a good chance you'll like Serpent. It's less polished, and more raw/energized - it's the best of the 4 Wooden Nickel albums. Steve swann at plutonia.com > > ---------- > > From: Stephen Swann[SMTP:swann at PLUTONIA.COM] > > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 10:34 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > > Subject: Re: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip > > > > Bolts of Ungodly Vision writes: > > > > > > a fascination with the Moody Blues/Styx--Ah, that it. they're > > > "semi-refined" rockers in a wanna-be-progressive way that is like the > > > Monekess wanting to be rock and rollers schtick(?). > > > > Actually they're a bunch of kids from Chicago who accidentally hit the > > big time. They wrote a hell of a lot of good rock-n-roll (which > > you'll never have heard, because I seriously doubt that you've even > > *met* anybody who owns a copy of "Serpent" or "Equinox"). Then they > > got carried away with their own success, and started getting into > > artsy, overblown concept albums in the late 70s/early 80s. They made > > really big fools of themselves, and they've never lived it down. > > > > Anyway, feel free to continue with the big Styx bashing festival. > > They're a *real* easy target, so I'm sure you'll all get in lots of > > good, stinging put downs that will show everyone on the list just how > > clever you are. :-) > > > > Steve > > swann at plutonia.com > > > From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 17 13:37:47 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:37:47 +0000 Subject: BOC rarity offerred? In-Reply-To: <199903171655.QAA09840@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Mar 1999, M Holmes wrote: > I spotted, in someomne's list, the following: > > Blue Oyster Cult/Aerosmith > > rare Promo only LP > > One side each band. > > YAP66 > > EX/M > > Offers to: > Toshiyasu Sasaki > Piloti Kunitachi 101 > 43-14 Hikari-Cho 1 Chome > Kokobunji-shi > Tokyo 185-0034 > Japan > > Fax (81)-425-76-4036 > just to say that this is the same person who located the Japanese Doremi albums for me! Payment can be a problem tho' because IMOs are as unacceptable in Japan as they are in the UK! jill From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Mar 17 16:44:40 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:44:40 +0000 Subject: Cultosaurus Erectus In-Reply-To: <199903171522.KAA01141@imperatrix.plutonia.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Mar 1999, Stephen Swann wrote: > Egads. Cultosaurus was just *not* one of the albums that seriously > needed improvement (neither was Agents, but I can understand them > doing that one just for the commercial possibilities in getting to > re-sell Reaper one more time). When is somebody going to rescue > Spectres from digital hell?! A-men to that! Yours, Jon -- /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | =====================================================================| | "Probability level 1 to 1. We have normality, I repeat, we have | | normality. Anything you still can't deal with is therefore your own | \_________________________ problem." ______________________________/ \_____________/ From johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM Thu Mar 18 00:41:22 1999 From: johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 06:41:22 +0100 Subject: Off: Amaze your Swedish friends Message-ID: Amaze your Swedish friends with some astounding sounds! Welcome class, to the swedish lesson #26. Today we're going to learn the lyrics to probably the most well known swedish drinking song. If you pronounce those english words 100% correct, you'll just spoken a 98% correct swedish pronounced "Helan Gar" - which is almost mandatory when drinking vodka. In the next lesson we're going to learn the melody. Hell and gore Shun gop Father Allan lallan ley Hell and gore Shun gop Father Allan ley For handsome in the hell and tar An hell er in the hell and four Hell and gore Shun gop Father Allan ley. You don't understand? Complete rubbish? Doesen't matter, be just sure you'll drink the vodka in the same tempo as the swedes. And be sure it's bottom up all the time. You'll soon understand. The correct swedish spelling is below - I've excluded the umlauts because you don't understand them anyway. The entusiastic student can guess where he thinks the ?, ? and ? letters will resist. I bet you will pronounce this wrong, if you just use the rows below: Helan gar Sjung hopp fadderallan lallanlej Helan gar Sjung hopp fadderallan lej For han som inte helan tar Han inte heller halvan far Helan gar Sjung hopp fadderallan lej sorry, it's too early in the morning, .joe From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Mar 18 05:11:14 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:11:14 +0000 Subject: Off: 101 adjectives Message-ID: > That and I value finesse in music over volume, attitude or aggression. > You're weird. And here's me sitting here in my BEER POWERED NOISE FRENZY t-shirt... :-) Cheers, Rich. From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Mar 18 05:12:49 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:12:49 +0000 Subject: Barbra Streisand is better than Rush! Message-ID: > > > Therefore, Barbra Streisand is BETTER THAN RUSH!!! So tell us something we didn't know... Cheers, Rich. From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Mar 18 05:32:08 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:32:08 +0000 Subject: BÖC: Sometimes more Amazing then Message-ID: > > > <> > > your POINT, comrade?? "And it feels like I've just been seen by my mates, Feels like I've just been seen by my mates, Seen by my mates coming out of a Styx gig." Go on - do yourself a favour, and buy "Some Call It Godcore". ;-) Cheers, Rich. OBdodgy single: Gypsy Girl - Cruella de Ville. From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Mar 18 05:34:28 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:34:28 +0000 Subject: RADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIO Message-ID: "Well, I woke up this morning and I got myself a beer..." Cheers, Rich. > And I believe that the Breakfast of Champions (in the book) is a Martini. > > > > RADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIO > > > > > > WMBR used to do a morning wakeup show called Breakfast of Champions, > > > > > > that's the title of a Science Fiction book - one of Vonnegut's I think? > > > I wonder which came first? > > > > Kurt Vonnegut's _Breakfast of Champions_ itself alludes to a slogan used From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Mar 18 05:36:00 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:36:00 +0000 Subject: Weird radio Message-ID: > I remember many a year ago, a local station's management gave a pink slip to > the evening DJ. So, he proceeded to play "You Are My Sunshine" straight for > the entire evening (no commercials either). But did he look good in it? Cheers, Rich. OBamusement: Up the Junction - Lawnmower Deth From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Thu Mar 18 06:26:09 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Gekke Henkie) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:26:09 +0100 Subject: Off: Amaze your Swedish friends In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19990318063309.1117a85a@m1.171.telia.com> Message-ID: On 18 Mar 99, at 6:41, Johan Edlundh wrote: >In the next lesson we're going to > learn the melody. Come on, we wanna know the melody to. Drinkin Vodka and singing a (Swedish) song is fun. Will it work wit my Norwegian friends to? or will they smash my head, like last time when I tried to sing a song after drinking Vodka, maybe it has nothing to do with the song but with my singing, well what the heck.... --BArt From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Thu Mar 18 06:26:09 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Gekke Henkie) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:26:09 +0100 Subject: HW: postcard singels Message-ID: Has someone ever tried to listen to the *monstrous* polish-postcard- singels. Is it possible or will the destoy your turntable (have to buy a new one in the near future so that should not be the problem ;-) --BArt From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Thu Mar 18 06:26:09 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Gekke Henkie) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:26:09 +0100 Subject: RADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIOFREERADIO In-Reply-To: <199903161628.LAA23996@imperatrix.plutonia.com> Message-ID: On 16 Mar 99, at 11:28, Stephen Swann wrote: > My roommate > used to tune his clock radio to it, so I'd get blasted out of bed at > 7am by the likes of Venom and the Dead Kennedies. It seems funny > *now*, of course. :) Getting out of bed with DK or Venom is great! I tend to do it every morning. Thank god for the clock radio with cd-player :-) --BArt From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 18 07:17:12 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:17:12 +0000 Subject: Off: Amaze your Swedish friends Message-ID: And will we learn "Bilen g?r"? :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Thu Mar 18 08:20:36 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:20:36 -0500 Subject: Various Message-ID: > Steve > swann at plutonia.com Steve! Haven't heard from you in I don't know how long and suddenly you've developed an itchy typing finger! Good to see ya around here again (even if it's all your fault...) > Subject: BOC rarity offerred? > Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:55:21 GMT > From: M Holmes > > I spotted, in someomne's list, the following: > > Blue Oyster Cult/Aerosmith > > rare Promo only LP > > One side each band. > > So is this the BOC equivalent of the Hawkwind/Jefferson Airplane LP? > > FoFP There's a brief entry in the FAQ about this: 1975 -- New York's Heavy Metal Sound - Japanese LP - BOC on one side (5 songs from their first 3 albums), Aerosmith on the other side I don't know what songs are on it - if anyone picks this up, I'd like to know. > > JS>I should be at the club by 8:30 - wearing blue jeans, a slightly beat-up > brown > leather jacket and a black t-shirt with a Tommy Hilfiger logo, probably > with a beer in hand, hanging out either by the soundboard or toward the > stage. Oh, > and if the music has started, I'll have my earplugs in. Hope to see > some of you there! > > Oh I get cised! Tommy T-shirt, Kevin Bacon looks and a Sam Adams? Are we > wearing our glasses too? Hehehehehe John I figured you's go in wearing at > least a Vixen t-shirt hehehehehehehehehehe That's right - I forgot, but I have a passing resemblence to Kevin Bacon (an ugly Kevin Bacon I would say). The beer I'm drinking, if the club has it, WILL be Sam Adams (not 'cuz it's a Boston thing, but 'cuz it's good beer -- it's also not the kind that I can drink 6 in night - a good think since I'll probably be at the club for at least 4 hours...). As for the glasses, I'm keepin' them home tonight (but I am wearing them now so that my contact lenses don't feel like jumpin' out of my head by 11:00 pm...) John From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Thu Mar 18 08:22:21 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:22:21 -0500 Subject: BOC: Opening Act for Boston show Message-ID: The first band opening for BOC on March 18th in Cambridge is the Johnny Black Trio. I hear they are good, and Buck himself has said that they were instrumental in getting BOC booked at the Middle East. I found the following review of their recent album in a local music 'zine: Johnny Black Trio (Route 9 Records) - *Basic Black* (11-song CD) A shitload of area scribes have already said it better, but this is a perfectly swell release from one of the city's more prolific/unsung rock stiffs. In fact, clubs have started calling Johnny in response to all the positive reviews. You heard that right -- the clubs are calling the BAND. Wish I could say the same for a few thousand OTHER local acts. First off, the sound on this thing is damn near flawless. The throb/whack quotient is tempereed by an overall fluidity: never gratuitously abrasive, still rocks like a fuck. (Talk about an ad campaign! Someone really should be paying me for this.) Crucial bass and drum fills are right there when you need them, unlike so many records where you find yourself muttering, "Geez, if only they'da done THIS instead..." And Black has a knack for whipping out sharp, unforgettable riffs that'll have you playing naked air-guitar in front of the bathroom mirror. At their best, the songs themselves dart and jab like Evander Holyfield with a scrotum full of strychnine, while never actually veering towards flat-out Macho. You little grunge bastards paying attention? It CAN be done! Plus, a lot of Black's lyrics have an everyman/tragicomedy quality which can only be called uncannily canny. If I could change one thing, I'd have him transpose a few of the keys and use his upper vocal register more. A couple of numbers almost approach understatement from the lack of a straight-up holler or two, though this is hardly a complaint. I'd say the same thing to Liz Phair, but Liz Phair could fart in a Dixie cup, and I'd still pay to see it. Other than that, I'd have only added more songs. Congrats, Boys! It's a good 'un! (Joe Coughlin) From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Thu Mar 18 09:37:43 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:37:43 -0500 Subject: Various In-Reply-To: <36F0FDA2.7EEF8F25@mitre.org> from "John A. Swartz" at Mar 18, 99 08:20:36 am Message-ID: John A. Swartz writes: > > Steve! Haven't heard from you in I don't know how long and suddenly > you've developed an itchy typing finger! Good to see ya around here > again (even if it's all your fault...) What, 10 years on this damn mailing list, and I'm not supposed to become eccentric? ;-) Steve swann at plutonia.com ObFavoriteAlbumTheseDays: Garmarna, _Guds Speleman_ http://www.omnium.com/2014.html From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Mar 18 10:15:33 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:15:33 -0800 Subject: OFF: Don't throw Styx Message-ID: Actually they're a bunch of kids from Chicago who accidentally hit the > > big time. They wrote a hell of a lot of good rock-n-roll (which > > you'll never have heard, because I seriously doubt that you've even > > *met* anybody who owns a copy of "Serpent" or "Equinox"). Then they > > got carried away with their own success, and started getting into > > artsy, overblown concept albums in the late 70s/early 80s. They made > > really big fools of themselves, and they've never lived it down. True, grew up in a neighborhood about 3 miles away from my wife's old neighborhood. Unless you count Tommy Shaw as a real memeber of Styx. Believe Tommy hails from Alabama..."Go Tide!" Ah the conceptual stuff was ok, I like this band and used to own several pieces of vinyl, at least 8, get it? Can we all work together and find a band universally despised on this list? We gotta rip somebody...anybody...what about Boston? Motley Crue? LA Gunns? C'mon folks think about it. Ghost in the Ruins NP: Galactic Cowboys - Space in Your Face From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Thu Mar 18 10:42:20 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:42:20 -0800 Subject: Amaze your Swedish friends Message-ID: Well, I'm a Swede, albeit an 3rd generation American and I am truly amazed... :-) JB -----Original Message----- From: Johan Edlundh [mailto:johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM] Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 9:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Off: Amaze your Swedish friends Amaze your Swedish friends with some astounding sounds! Welcome class, to the swedish lesson #26. Today we're going to learn the lyrics to probably the most well known swedish drinking song. If you pronounce those english words 100% correct, you'll just spoken a 98% correct swedish pronounced "Helan Gar" - which is almost mandatory when drinking vodka. In the next lesson we're going to learn the melody. Hell and gore Shun gop Father Allan lallan ley Hell and gore Shun gop Father Allan ley For handsome in the hell and tar An hell er in the hell and four Hell and gore Shun gop Father Allan ley. You don't understand? Complete rubbish? Doesen't matter, be just sure you'll drink the vodka in the same tempo as the swedes. And be sure it's bottom up all the time. You'll soon understand. The correct swedish spelling is below - I've excluded the umlauts because you don't understand them anyway. The entusiastic student can guess where he thinks the ?, ? and ? letters will resist. I bet you will pronounce this wrong, if you just use the rows below: Helan gar Sjung hopp fadderallan lallanlej Helan gar Sjung hopp fadderallan lej For han som inte helan tar Han inte heller halvan far Helan gar Sjung hopp fadderallan lej sorry, it's too early in the morning, .joe From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Mar 18 10:36:04 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:36:04 EST Subject: OFF: Don't throw Styx Message-ID: In a message dated 3/18/99 10:16:57 AM, abrevard at SHL.COM writes: << They made > > really big fools of themselves, and they've never lived it down.>> >>>nuff said<< From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Thu Mar 18 10:47:33 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:47:33 -0800 Subject: Off: 101 adjectives Message-ID: Oh there's never been any doubt of that. I like volume, attitude and aggression as much as the next guy. I just prefer it with a little more brain behind it I guess. JB -----Original Message----- From: Rich Lockwood [mailto:rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM] Sent: Thursday, March 18, 1999 2:11 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: Off: 101 adjectives > That and I value finesse in music over volume, attitude or aggression. > You're weird. And here's me sitting here in my BEER POWERED NOISE FRENZY t-shirt... :-) Cheers, Rich. From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Thu Mar 18 10:48:45 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:48:45 -0500 Subject: OFF: Don't throw Styx In-Reply-To: <199903181555.IAA05812@docws002.shl.com> from "BREVARD, Adrian R." at Mar 18, 99 07:15:33 am Message-ID: BREVARD, Adrian R. writes: > > True, grew up in a neighborhood about 3 miles away from my wife's old > neighborhood. Unless you count Tommy Shaw as a real memeber of Styx. > Believe Tommy hails from Alabama..."Go Tide!" > > Ah the conceptual stuff was ok, I like this band and used to own several > pieces of vinyl, at least 8, get it? > Can we all work together and find a band universally despised on this list? > We gotta rip somebody...anybody...what about Boston? Motley Crue? LA Gunns? > C'mon folks think about it. Oh, sure Adrian, drag this conversation right back down into the mud. :) I'm not into this bashing other people bands business... I only bash my *favorite* bands. ;-) Steve swann at plutonia.com P.S. Poison ;-) From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Mar 18 10:41:19 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:41:19 EST Subject: HW: postcard singels Message-ID: In a message dated 3/18/99 6:27:50 AM, bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL writes: <> dontcha remember those singles on the backs of post cereals in the early '70s? same difference....perhaps what we need here is a CLOSE AND PLAY>>> ja ne! >>larry b From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Thu Mar 18 10:56:04 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:56:04 -0800 Subject: Don't throw Styx Message-ID: Well, I never did hear anyone stick up for Boston. And Motley Crue should be despised just for stealing BOC's umlaut AND Kiss's makeup.. did they ever do anything original? JB -----Original Message----- From: BREVARD, Adrian R. [mailto:abrevard at SHL.COM] Sent: Thursday, March 18, 1999 7:16 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: OFF: Don't throw Styx Actually they're a bunch of kids from Chicago who accidentally hit the > > big time. They wrote a hell of a lot of good rock-n-roll (which > > you'll never have heard, because I seriously doubt that you've even > > *met* anybody who owns a copy of "Serpent" or "Equinox"). Then they > > got carried away with their own success, and started getting into > > artsy, overblown concept albums in the late 70s/early 80s. They made > > really big fools of themselves, and they've never lived it down. True, grew up in a neighborhood about 3 miles away from my wife's old neighborhood. Unless you count Tommy Shaw as a real memeber of Styx. Believe Tommy hails from Alabama..."Go Tide!" Ah the conceptual stuff was ok, I like this band and used to own several pieces of vinyl, at least 8, get it? Can we all work together and find a band universally despised on this list? We gotta rip somebody...anybody...what about Boston? Motley Crue? LA Gunns? C'mon folks think about it. Ghost in the Ruins NP: Galactic Cowboys - Space in Your Face From hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU Thu Mar 18 11:04:43 1999 From: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU (hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:04:43 -0600 Subject: OFF: Don't throw Styx In-Reply-To: <199903181555.IAA05812@docws002.shl.com> Message-ID: Hmm... Journey Survivor and let's not forgot the truly awful current bands: Seven Mary Three Matchbox 20 Green Jelly (formerly Jello!) Deep Blue Something Rusted Root apologies in advance if someone actually is a fan of some of these... thomas On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: > Can we all work together and find a band universally despised on this list? > We gotta rip somebody...anybody...what about Boston? Motley Crue? LA Gunns? > C'mon folks think about it. > > Ghost in the Ruins > > NP: Galactic Cowboys - Space in Your Face > From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Thu Mar 18 11:07:16 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:07:16 -0800 Subject: Off: 101 adjectives Message-ID: Bro, I didn't compare them to Metallica as a compliment. I find everything they did up to the black album unlistenable. As I said, I can't really comment on Motorhead because I am basing my opinions on the two songs (or so) that I've heard which were enough to keep me from listening further. Perhaps I was just unlucky and heard two of their sucky songs. Ya gotta understand, I am not only very picky and opinionated, but I tend to make snap decisions when it comes to my likes and dislikes and sometimes even I don't have much of a clue why I like or dislike something. JB -----Original Message----- From: Carl Edlund Anderson [mailto:cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK] Sent: Monday, March 15, 1999 4:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: Off: 101 adjectives On m?n 15 mar 1999 13.21 -0800 "Joseph Brooks" wrote: > I can't speak much about the merit of Lemmy's lyrics since I'm pretty much > clueless when it comes to Motorhead. I've heard just a few tracks and wasn't > captivated much at all. Sounded about like early Metallica to me.. (ick!). Dude (if you'll pardon the expression) the first Metallica album is pretty weak IMO barring the bass solo. Even _March or Die_ and _Iron Fist_ (possibly Motorhead's two weakest albums) beat it :) It's been said before: Motorhead is basically Chuck Berry with nine times the wattage. Except with deeper lyrics :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Thu Mar 18 11:05:14 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:05:14 -0500 Subject: Don't throw Styx Message-ID: Killed the lead singer of another band, that's sort of original > ---------- > From: Joseph Brooks[SMTP:Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 1999 10:56 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: Don't throw Styx > > Well, I never did hear anyone stick up for Boston. And Motley Crue should > be > despised just for stealing BOC's umlaut AND Kiss's makeup.. did they ever > do > anything original? > > JB > > -----Original Message----- > From: BREVARD, Adrian R. [mailto:abrevard at SHL.COM] > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 1999 7:16 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: OFF: Don't throw Styx > > Actually they're a bunch of kids from Chicago who > accidentally hit the > > > big time. They wrote a hell of a lot of good > rock-n-roll (which > > > you'll never have heard, because I seriously doubt > that > you've even > > > *met* anybody who owns a copy of "Serpent" or > "Equinox"). Then they > > > got carried away with their own success, and started > getting into > > > artsy, overblown concept albums in the late 70s/early > 80s. They made > > > really big fools of themselves, and they've never > lived > it down. > > > True, grew up in a neighborhood about 3 miles away from my > wife's old > neighborhood. Unless you count Tommy Shaw as a real > memeber > of Styx. > Believe Tommy hails from Alabama..."Go Tide!" > > Ah the conceptual stuff was ok, I like this band and used > to > own several > pieces of vinyl, at least 8, get it? > > Can we all work together and find a band universally > despised on this list? > We gotta rip somebody...anybody...what about Boston? > Motley > Crue? LA Gunns? > C'mon folks think about it. > > Ghost in the Ruins > > NP: Galactic Cowboys - Space in Your Face > From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Thu Mar 18 11:16:49 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:16:49 -0800 Subject: Off: 101 adjectives Message-ID: That may very well be. As I've tried to point out, I'm not a fan of that sort of music. JB -----Original Message----- From: DASLUD at AOL.COM [mailto:DASLUD at AOL.COM] Sent: Monday, March 15, 1999 11:26 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: Off: 101 adjectives In a message dated 3/15/99 4:43:46 PM, Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET writes: << Sounded about like early Metallica to me..>> that just might be due to early metallica reflecting their VERY LARGE MOTORHEAD INFLUENCE, for pete's sake! ja ne! >>larry b From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Thu Mar 18 11:20:05 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:20:05 -0800 Subject: Off: 101 adjectives Message-ID: Uh, thanks but you can keep your world. Yes the lyrics were more intelligent than I would've thought but I still don't much care for the style. A personal preference, mind you. Maybe, as with Hawkwind, I should give them another shot... JB -----Original Message----- From: [mailto:nick at THECAMPUS.COM] Sent: Monday, March 15, 1999 8:26 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: Off: 101 adjectives Lemmy is a true thinker. Not a lick of book smarts, but a Motorhead lyric speaks more truth than most. Lem is the best-kept secret in rock and roll. Welcome to our world... From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Thu Mar 18 11:24:42 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:24:42 -0800 Subject: Pissing off the mark? Message-ID: I was not offended. Just wanted to make sure that everyone concerned understood that, I'm just full of shit and like to spread it around. I rarely get "pissed" in these things.. Its just a way for me to waste time at work and have interesting folks to debate with on one of my favorite topics, music. JB -----Original Message----- From: John A. Swartz [mailto:jswartz at MITRE.ORG] Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 10:25 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: BOC: Pissing off the mark? Sorry if I offended anyone with my "pissing contest" comment. No offense toward any individuals was meant. To me (and I'll even say I didn't read ever post in the BOC vs Rush threads), the thread seemed to be degenerating into some pointless discussion... I know, who am I do say? I have no real excuse, except that I gave up coffee for Lent. John -- John A. Swartz - The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA - jswartz at mitre.org "Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to Anger. Anger leads to Hate. Hate leads to SUFFERING." -- Yoda (Star Wars: Episode 1 - The Phantom Menace) From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Thu Mar 18 11:27:23 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:27:23 -0800 Subject: OFF: Breakfast of Champions Message-ID: Hey, why do you think you never see posts from me on the weekends? Hmm? Of course, being the boss and having a private office helps. :-) And, of course, I never do any of this at any other time than my breaks... really.... No, I mean it... JB -----Original Message----- From: Hall, Russell J [mailto:russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM] Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 8:47 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: OFF: Breakfast of Champions Do your posting from work. :> It breaks up the monotony of the figuring out which job to avoid today for the next hour. > ---------- > From: DASLUD at AOL.COM[SMTP:DASLUD at AOL.COM] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 11:05 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: OFF: Breakfast of Champions > > In a message dated 3/17/99 6:13:17 AM, drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM writes: > > <<(who really must stop this morning posting as he is now late for > work) > >> > > indeed, this has happened to me the last couple days...^-~ > > ja ne! > >>larry b > From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Thu Mar 18 11:31:41 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:31:41 -0800 Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip Message-ID: But we're the ones who buy their music and attend their concerts which, in my opinion, gives us the right to bash them, critique them and yes, make fun of them. Without us they'd all be working at Sears or Denny's or something... "Wind up working at a gas station.." - Zappa JB -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Swann [mailto:swann at PLUTONIA.COM] Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 10:13 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: > > In a message dated 3/17/99 10:46:23 AM, swann at PLUTONIA.COM writes: > > < They're a *real* easy target, so I'm sure you'll all get in lots of > good, stinging put downs that will show everyone on the list just how > clever you are. :-) > >> > > >and then there's the (affected accent) "i'm above such things, myself" > approach ^-~ Yeah, I just forgot to mention it. I've never made fun of anybody. ;-) Anyways... I just hate to see musicians who worked a long time for their success get run down due to some (serious) misjudgements made in their later years. And this business of kicking the shit out of bands who have no defenders is getting kind of old. Steve swann at plutonia.com From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Thu Mar 18 11:34:02 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:34:02 -0800 Subject: OFF: Don't throw Styx Message-ID: I'm not exactly a fan but Rusted Root ain't so bad if you can get past the whole neo-hippy thing.... JB -----Original Message----- From: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU [mailto:hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU] Sent: Thursday, March 18, 1999 8:05 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: OFF: Don't throw Styx Hmm... Journey Survivor and let's not forgot the truly awful current bands: Seven Mary Three Matchbox 20 Green Jelly (formerly Jello!) Deep Blue Something Rusted Root apologies in advance if someone actually is a fan of some of these... thomas On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: > Can we all work together and find a band universally despised on this list? > We gotta rip somebody...anybody...what about Boston? Motley Crue? LA Gunns? > C'mon folks think about it. > > Ghost in the Ruins > > NP: Galactic Cowboys - Space in Your Face > From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Mar 18 12:27:50 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:27:50 EST Subject: OFF: Don't throw Styx Message-ID: In a message dated 3/18/99 10:50:05 AM, swann at PLUTONIA.COM writes: <<> Can we all work together and find a band universally despised on this list? > We gotta rip somebody...anybody...what about Boston? Motley Crue? LA Gunns? > C'mon folks think about it. >> what fun is it supposed to be if everyone dogpiles on the same band, even if the above listed deserve utter, relentless ,SCORN, which they sho nuff do>>> i prefer the jousting banter, myself>> ja ne! >>larryt b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Mar 18 12:25:05 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:25:05 EST Subject: Off: 101 adjectives Message-ID: In a message dated 3/18/99 10:47:23 AM, Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET writes: <> I WANT COLOR IN MY NOISE AND NOISE IN MY COLOR, DAMMIT! is that too much to ask? >>>larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Mar 18 12:29:34 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:29:34 EST Subject: Don't throw Styx Message-ID: In a message dated 3/18/99 10:55:53 AM, Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET writes: <> >>>>as if they could be stuck up for....HOCK-PTUI!!!! From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Thu Mar 18 12:35:04 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:35:04 -0500 Subject: OFF: Don't throw Styx In-Reply-To: from "hijinks@UTARLG.UTA.EDU" at Mar 18, 99 10:04:43 am Message-ID: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU writes: > > Hmm... Journey > Survivor > > and let's not forgot the truly awful current bands: > Seven Mary Three > Matchbox 20 > Green Jelly (formerly Jello!) Look, they're *supposed* to suck - they built their whole career around the fact that they suck. Back when they were a local band in Western NY, they sold t-shirts that said "Green Jello Sucks". You can't hold the fact that they suck against them - it's their defining attribute! It's like blaming Sam Kinnison for singing badly on "Wild Thing". > Deep Blue Something > Rusted Root Actually, _Cruel Sun_ is an awesome album. I don't think much of their later work, when they softened it up for the new-age crowd. > apologies in advance if someone actually is a fan of some of these... Duly noted. Steve swann at plutonia.com From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Thu Mar 18 12:44:18 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:44:18 -0500 Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip In-Reply-To: <6D986111E966D211A65E00A0C96E961108FAE3@C2> from "Joseph Brooks" at Mar 18, 99 08:31:41 am Message-ID: Joseph Brooks writes: > > But we're the ones who buy their music and attend their concerts which, in > my opinion, gives us the right to bash them, critique them and yes, make fun > of them. Without us they'd all be working at Sears or Denny's or > something... Well, it's not like I'm going to stop you. I might tell you that throwing loads of abuse at other people's favorite bands isn't a real fine thing to be doing. But there's nothing that can make you agree with me. :-) Steve swann at plutonia.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Mar 18 12:39:22 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:39:22 EST Subject: OFF: Don't throw Styx Message-ID: In a message dated 3/18/99 11:05:00 AM, hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU writes: << Rusted Root good choice! apologies in advance if someone actually is a fan of some of these... >> WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU APOLOGIZING FOR? From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Mar 18 11:15:03 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 16:15:03 -0000 Subject: OFF: Don't throw Styx In-Reply-To: <199903181548.KAA11712@imperatrix.plutonia.com> Message-ID: > I'm not into this bashing other people bands business... I only bash my > *favorite* bands. ;-) Nice one, Steve! Anyone would think you were English! As a Hawkwind fan, I know all too well what it's like to have your favourite band slagged all over the shop... still, in the spirit of joining in, I'll take the opportunity to say "Kula Shaker"... - Andy ObForthcomingGigs: Godspeed You Black Emperor! *and* Calexico on consecutive nights in April!!! Ha! Noone'll bag them, because they haven't even bloody heard of them... mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Mar 18 12:54:45 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:54:45 EST Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip Message-ID: In a message dated 3/18/99 11:31:44 AM, Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET writes: <<"Wind up working at a gas station.." - Zappa>> >>>got some really good live zappa too; >>larry b From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Thu Mar 18 12:59:47 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:59:47 -0800 Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip Message-ID: I don't think I "throw loads of abuse" in most cases, I just explain why I dislike something in the best way my old brain can. I try always to acknowledge the fact of differing tastes and to not confuse the worth of a persons musical taste with their worth as a person. Lord knows, most of my current favorite bands would be scorned without mercy in this group.. and that's ok, gives me a chance to argue the point and give everyone something to post about. I suppose we (I) could try harder to have some vague connection to the topic of the list though... They don't call me Babblin' Brooks for nothing, ya know? JB -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Swann [mailto:swann at PLUTONIA.COM] Sent: Thursday, March 18, 1999 9:44 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip Joseph Brooks writes: > > But we're the ones who buy their music and attend their concerts which, in > my opinion, gives us the right to bash them, critique them and yes, make fun > of them. Without us they'd all be working at Sears or Denny's or > something... Well, it's not like I'm going to stop you. I might tell you that throwing loads of abuse at other people's favorite bands isn't a real fine thing to be doing. But there's nothing that can make you agree with me. :-) Steve swann at plutonia.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Mar 18 12:52:15 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:52:15 EST Subject: Pissing off the mark? Message-ID: In a message dated 3/18/99 11:24:38 AM, Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET writes: << I'm just full of shit and like to spread it around.>> >>>y yo tambien, amigo! >>larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Mar 18 12:46:01 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:46:01 EST Subject: Off: 101 adjectives Message-ID: In a message dated 3/18/99 11:07:04 AM, Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET writes: << It's been said before: Motorhead is basically Chuck Berry with nine times the wattage. Except with deeper lyrics :) Cheers, Carl >> perhaps your comparative youth betrays you here, carl-chan...chuck berry is so ubiquitous now., lo these decades later, that it's nigh-impossible to appreciate his contribution in the context of when it was first taking place...but you really oughta compare his lyrics with those of whom he shared the charts in the '50s...he was WAY hipper/smarter/etc. lemmy would be HONORED to have his lyrics favorably compared w/chuck berry's... ja ne! >>larry b From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Mar 18 13:02:52 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:02:52 -0500 Subject: OFF: Don't throw Styx In-Reply-To: <000001be715a$7b025ba0$7a3f63c3@default> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Andy wrote: => ObForthcomingGigs: Godspeed You Black Emperor! *and* Calexico on consecutive => nights in April!!! Ha! Noone'll bag them, because they haven't even bloody => heard of them... Not that that's likely to stop anyone, Andy, given the recent tone of this list... ;-) Back to listening to 105.3 *Allman Brothers Band* now... ("All Allmans, all the time...";) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Mar 18 13:11:51 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:11:51 EST Subject: TRAIN KEPT A' ROLLIN Message-ID: this is an avi which was sent to me in jan. but i didnt watch it until this week...unfortunately it has lingered in my head ever since, so i figured i'd inflict it upon my BOC-L brethren/sistren>>> it's a piece of reality from at least 40 years ago; it's not gory or porno but you may well be disturbed by it....i sure was> alternate "subject" titles were GONE DEAD TRAIN and INTO YOU LIKE A TRAIN but i went with the best-known candidate YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED >>larry b ps> afterwards, (if you dare) references to the cover of hawkwind's "roadhawks" lp will be in questionable taste>>> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: train.avi Type: video/x-msvideo Size: 867064 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 18 13:38:39 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 18:38:39 +0000 Subject: Off: 101 adjectives Message-ID: On tor 18 mar 1999 08.07 -0800 "Joseph Brooks" wrote: > Bro, I didn't compare them to Metallica as a compliment. I find everything > they did up to the black album unlistenable. As I said, I can't really > comment on Motorhead because I am basing my opinions on the two songs (or > so) that I've heard which were enough to keep me from listening further. > Perhaps I was just unlucky and heard two of their sucky songs. Well, IMO, they've always been patchy, but there's some fine stuff on _Ride and _Master_. The same could be said of _Justice_, if anyone had mixed in the low end :) I won't join those who slagged off the black album: I think it's quite good. Most of Load and Reload sucked hard though :) I liked the covers semi-repackaging, though was particularly disappointed by the Merciful Fate medley, which I expected them to do better on. But for me, "Creeping Death" is fave :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 18 13:42:47 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 18:42:47 +0000 Subject: Off: 101 adjectives Message-ID: On tor 18 mar 1999 08.20 -0800 "Joseph Brooks" wrote: > Uh, thanks but you can keep your world. Yes the lyrics were more intelligent > than I would've thought but I still don't much care for the style. A > personal preference, mind you. Maybe, as with Hawkwind, I should give them > another shot... I was horrified to discover I liked Motorhead. I was not--am not--a "metal fan" (though, as has been pointed out, Motorhead ain't really metal). In the end I succumbed to intelligent ideas pile-driven into my skull. Ah well. It's only rock'n'roll :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 18 13:43:40 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 18:43:40 +0000 Subject: OFF: Don't throw Styx Message-ID: On tor 18 mar 1999 08.34 -0800 "Joseph Brooks" wrote: > I'm not exactly a fan but Rusted Root ain't so bad if you can get past the > whole neo-hippy thing.... I thought they were rather better live than on record. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Mar 18 13:43:47 1999 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 18:43:47 +0000 Subject: OFF: Don't throw Styx In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 18 Mar 1999 16:15:03 GMT." <000001be715a$7b025ba0$7a3f63c3@default> Message-ID: > Nice one, Steve! Anyone would think you were English! > > As a Hawkwind fan, I know all too well what it's like to have your favourite > band slagged all over the shop... still, in the spirit of joining in, I'll > take the opportunity to say "Kula Shaker"... "Steps", surely :) > - Andy > > ObForthcomingGigs: Godspeed You Black Emperor! *and* Calexico on consecutive > nights in April!!! Ha! Noone'll bag them, because they haven't even bloody > heard of them... Chomp! OK, I'll go for the Calexico gig probably! As for GYBE, hmm, what are they like again ? BTW, I'm going NOMAIL now, while I trek around in the Himalayas - see y'all in mid april Tim From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 18 13:53:51 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 18:53:51 +0000 Subject: OFF: Don't throw Styx Message-ID: On tor 18 mar 1999 13.02 -0500 "Paul Mather" wrote: > Back to listening to 105.3 *Allman Brothers Band* now... ("All Allmans, > all the time...";) So far, I can't fault any of the choices this radio station has been making! :) Cheers, Carl ObCD: Allman Bros. _Second Set_ ObWalkmanTape: Skynyrd's 1st -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM Thu Mar 18 14:04:47 1999 From: johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:04:47 +0100 Subject: Amaze your Swedish friends: The Melody Message-ID: > Hell and gore > Shun gop Father Allan lallan ley > Hell and gore > Shun gop Father Allan ley > For handsome in the hell and tar **** An hell er in the HALF and four **** > Hell and gore > Shun gop Father Allan ley. very sorry. your teacher was tired this morning. the change of HELL to HALF is essential - guess it's obvious. you can try this tune with your Norwegian friends too - I suppose. they're almost as strange as the swedes. oh yes, the next lesson - the melody: put the vodka bottle on the table, and catch the url: http://www-b.svd.se/svd/horvart/ljud/helan.WAV .joe obPostalEvent: HW '97 in the box! hell and gore! From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Thu Mar 18 14:10:04 1999 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:10:04 GMT Subject: TRAIN KEPT A' ROLLIN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: >alternate "subject" titles were GONE DEAD TRAIN and INTO YOU LIKE A TRAIN but >i went with the best-known candidate > >YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED > Oh, shit Daslud! No matter how morbid it is, DON'T SEND 1MB ATTACHMENTS IN MAILING LISTS! This is not a newsgroup, where I can choose by default what to pick. I use Remote Mailbox only when I have to delete mail remained after accidental disconnection. From now on it looks I will have to use it regularly, if this trend is to be continued. -- Goran From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Thu Mar 18 14:33:38 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:33:38 -0500 Subject: HW: Cut out bins... Message-ID: Against my better judgment I walked into the local Cocnuts retailing branch of musicks and they had the following for the very low price of 3.99: EMI "Fame" release of In search of Space (1 copy, which I now have) This is Hawkwind,do not panic Stonehenge Church of Hawkwind 2 CDS from the 25 Years On set... can't remember whats on their resespective covers. Might be more goodies in other outlets of this chain and franchises like it. Picked up the remastered Foxtrot for 6 bucks too! Jason "I'm in a FOUL mood today. Stay outa my way or I'll CRITIQUE YOUR ASS to hell. Just ME,just YOU...a decent song. You wanna see THEM, see THEM. I don't give a shit." - Richard Meltzer From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Thu Mar 18 14:30:40 1999 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:30:40 GMT Subject: Off: Amaze your Swedish friends In-Reply-To: <279828.3130748232@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > And will we learn "Bilen g?r"? :) Translation please, since you are from "Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic" . :-) >From both Helan and Bilen. :-) -- Goran From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Mar 18 14:38:01 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:38:01 -0600 Subject: OFF: No wonder a same day digest Message-ID: >this is an avi which was sent to me in jan. but i didnt watch it until this week...unfortunately it has lingered in my head ever since, so i figured i'd inflict it upon my BOC-L brethren/sistren>>> Dude, appreciate the attempt to share the AVI...don't know about other peoples systems but all I received were thousands of lines of code...don't think the automatic mailer likes it when you put attachements in your mail...got a website addie for the AVI? Ghost in the Ruins NP: Galactic Cowboys s/t From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 18 14:43:16 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:43:16 +0000 Subject: Off: Amaze your Swedish friends Message-ID: On tor 18 mar 1999 19.30 +0000 "Goran Janicijevic" wrote: > Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >> And will we learn "Bilen g?r"? :) > > Translation please, since you are from "Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & > Celtic" . :-) In this case "the car goes", I believe. When I went to the Uppsala Spring Ball a few years back I got a songbook from one of the nations with about a zillion variants on this song. I'm pretty sure we ended up going through most of them in short order, though my memory is a bit hazy on the matter ... :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Thu Mar 18 14:51:11 1999 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:51:11 GMT Subject: TRAIN KEPT A' ROLLIN In-Reply-To: <36f14ea0.929621@smtp.softhome.net> Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > >>alternate "subject" titles were GONE DEAD TRAIN and INTO YOU LIKE A TRAIN but >>i went with the best-known candidate > >>YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED >> > >Oh, shit Daslud! No matter how morbid it is, > >DON'T SEND 1MB ATTACHMENTS IN MAILING LISTS! And, yes, for such cases of absurd and stupid deaths, you better contact fellows who manage the Official Darwin Awards site: http://www.officialdarwinawards.com If someone else didn't send this AVI there, I bet you will be the first one who will send a flic (instead txt) info for some point of interest of that site. -- Goran From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Mar 18 16:09:11 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:09:11 -0800 Subject: OFF: Don't throw Styx Message-ID: >Steve! Haven't heard from you in I don't know how long and suddenly you've developed an itchy typing finger! Good to see ya around here again (even if it's all your fault...) >What, 10 years on this damn mailing list, and I'm not supposed to become eccentric? ;-) Eccentric? Gee I thought you had mellowed considerably from your single days. LG has had a great impact on you. Now don't tell me to pound sand I've done my time, 15 years and counting , I know mellowed married when I see it :-) >That's right - I forgot, but I have a passing resemblence to Kevin Bacon (an ugly Kevin Bacon I would say). The beer I'm drinking, if the club has it, WILL be Sam Adams (not 'cuz it's a Boston thing, but 'cuz it's good beer -- it's also not the kind that I can drink 6 in night - a good think since I'll probably be at the club for at least 4 hours...). As for the glasses, I'm keepin' them home tonight (but I am wearing them now so that my contact lenses don't feel like jumpin' out of my head by 11:00 pm...) Howls!!!! Oh Sam is good stuff, but horn rim glasses, KB looks...a bit out of place at a BOC concert? NOT! Amazing the number of professional types that show up for a BOC show in this area. We outnumber the biker-looking guys at the shows by a wide margin. Egads a horrible thought just occured to me. We the fans, we did this to BOC. Destroyed their rough and ready biker image by showing up to concerts in Dockers and Top Siders. >Oh, sure Adrian, drag this conversation right back down into the mud. :) Why not, kids don't have real fun until they come home dirty :) >I'm not into this bashing other people bands business... I only bash my *favorite* bands. ;-) Surely this does not preclude you from saying something bad about Michael Bolton? Everybody takes digs at poor Mike. >Well, I never did hear anyone stick up for Boston. And Motley Crue should be despised just for stealing BOC's umlaut AND Kiss's makeup.. did they ever do anything original? Other than embarrass themselves with personal situations constantly in the tabloids? I dunno I can't think of anything... >Hey, why do you think you never see posts from me on the weekends? Hmm? Of course, being the boss and having a private office helps. :-) And, of course, I never do any of this at any other time than my breaks... really.... No, I mean it... Separated at birth yet they still cannot keep us apart. We either have eerily similar lives or are the product of multiple personalities. Quick how many children do you have? If ya say five I'll have a coronary. >what fun is it supposed to be if everyone dogpiles on the same band, even if the above listed deserve utter, relentless ,SCORN, which they sho nuff do>>> duh its about how low can ya go. everybody LIMBO! >apologies in advance if someone actually is a fan of some of these... >> >WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU APOLOGIZING FOR? There ya go, thats the spirit! >Nice one, Steve! Anyone would think you were English! Steve's not English? Since when? Gee I coulda sworn...ah what the heck. Grandpa was Nigerian, Grandma was Irish and me mum was born in Cardiff, Wales. Can I be English? hehehehehehehehehe Ghost in the Ruins "See the wind blows everything's frozen...still life of peace a life they've chossen...wanting the wind, the snow or the sun...trade in freedom for a world that has none" - Galactic Cowboys, Still Life of Peace (the best farkin' song nobody's ever heard of) From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Thu Mar 18 16:13:54 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 16:13:54 -0500 Subject: OFF: Don't throw Styx In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Mar 18, 99 01:02:52 pm Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > > On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Andy wrote: > > => ObForthcomingGigs: Godspeed You Black Emperor! *and* Calexico on consecutive > => nights in April!!! Ha! Noone'll bag them, because they haven't even bloody > => heard of them... > > Not that that's likely to stop anyone, Andy, given the recent tone of > this list... ;-) > > Back to listening to 105.3 *Allman Brothers Band* now... ("All Allmans, > all the time...";) Allmans? Those guys suck! Errrrr... sorry. Just trying to get into the spirit of The New BOC-L. ;) Steve swann at plutonia.com "Catch the spirit, catch the spit" From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Mar 18 16:47:53 1999 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:47:53 PST Subject: OFF: Pissin on Styx... or someone else Message-ID: Hey, it's me again... yeah I know, I should be lurking. I'm such a phony lurker it's disgusting........ Not naming any names, but I know for a fact that there is a MAJOR Styx fan on this list. As for older albums like "equinox" and "Serpent", I heard them all as a kid, but it's been a long time. The only lyric that really sticks in my head is "Spider man and the human torch...." and then I forget the rest of it. And as for pissing on bands we hate, someone mentioned that we should find a common band that we despise. Well, I think that will be impossible to do, as no matter who is mentioned SOME ninny will stick up for them. Hell, I damn near jumped to Motley Crue's defense. They were fun in a comic book sort of way (notice I said WERE though). ;^) But it would be interesting to see who we really dislike musically. I mean, we pretty much stated our faves when we all did our "dream band" a while back. So, for the record, here are 2 that come to mind for me........ TOTO. WHY do I hate Toto so much? Because it seems that whenever I mention the fact that I think they are lame, someone always chimes in with the question, "Even HOLD THE LINE?". So I have taken to referring to that song as "Even hold the line". JACKSON BROWNE. Awesome guys like Elvis Costello and Warren Zevon always get compared to him... and I don't know why, as they have more talent than this over-ripe melon of a performer. Again, whenever I mention my dislike of his music, some pinhead always chimes in with the question, "Even RUNNING ON EMPTY?". So, I have taken to calling that song "Even running on empty". I could go on, but I think I see a pattern developing, and an annoying one at that. :^) Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos *********************************************** Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU Thu Mar 18 17:22:43 1999 From: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU (hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 16:22:43 -0600 Subject: OFF: godspeed you black emperor In-Reply-To: <000001be715a$7b025ba0$7a3f63c3@default> Message-ID: I really, really like that God Speed You Black Emperor. Great CD. "The car's on fire.... and there's no driver at the wheel." Best opening line for an album I've heard in awhile... I'm not sure how I would describe their music... maybe Brian Eno blindsides Jim Morrison during bandsessions for Scenic's next album, deep in the Mojave desert... ...then again, maybe not. --Thomas On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Andy Gilham wrote: > ObForthcomingGigs: Godspeed You Black Emperor! *and* Calexico on consecutive > nights in April!!! Ha! Noone'll bag them, because they haven't even bloody > heard of them... From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Thu Mar 18 17:36:49 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:36:49 -0800 Subject: Off: 10 Most hated Message-ID: Oh, I just can't resist this one. Apologies to those who don't care for this sort of thing and fans of those bands on my list. In no particular order (and staying within the general rock genre from the 70's thru the 80's): Toto (I'm with ya, Torgo) Styx Journey Boston Foreigner (May qualify for #1 most despised on my list) Loverboy (another contender for the #1 spot) Pat Benetar America/Bread (is there really any difference?) Jackson Browne (Again, I'm with Torgo) Ratt (a close runner up) Poison Duran Duran There are more but these are the first 10 (ok, 12) that come to mind. The ones guaranteed to make me change the station in sheer panic and utter dismay. JB -----Original Message----- From: Torgo Sedler [mailto:drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM] Sent: Thursday, March 18, 1999 1:48 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: OFF: Pissin on Styx... or someone else Hey, it's me again... yeah I know, I should be lurking. I'm such a phony lurker it's disgusting........ Not naming any names, but I know for a fact that there is a MAJOR Styx fan on this list. As for older albums like "equinox" and "Serpent", I heard them all as a kid, but it's been a long time. The only lyric that really sticks in my head is "Spider man and the human torch...." and then I forget the rest of it. And as for pissing on bands we hate, someone mentioned that we should find a common band that we despise. Well, I think that will be impossible to do, as no matter who is mentioned SOME ninny will stick up for them. Hell, I damn near jumped to Motley Crue's defense. They were fun in a comic book sort of way (notice I said WERE though). ;^) But it would be interesting to see who we really dislike musically. I mean, we pretty much stated our faves when we all did our "dream band" a while back. So, for the record, here are 2 that come to mind for me........ TOTO. WHY do I hate Toto so much? Because it seems that whenever I mention the fact that I think they are lame, someone always chimes in with the question, "Even HOLD THE LINE?". So I have taken to referring to that song as "Even hold the line". JACKSON BROWNE. Awesome guys like Elvis Costello and Warren Zevon always get compared to him... and I don't know why, as they have more talent than this over-ripe melon of a performer. Again, whenever I mention my dislike of his music, some pinhead always chimes in with the question, "Even RUNNING ON EMPTY?". So, I have taken to calling that song "Even running on empty". I could go on, but I think I see a pattern developing, and an annoying one at that. :^) Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos *********************************************** Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Thu Mar 18 18:50:28 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:50:28 -0800 Subject: TRAIN KEPT A' ROLLIN Message-ID: Oh gee, thanks a lot. That was about the worst thing I ever saw.. The type of thing that, once you've seen it, you can't unsee. JB -----Original Message----- From: DASLUD at AOL.COM [mailto:DASLUD at AOL.COM] Sent: Thursday, March 18, 1999 10:12 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: TRAIN KEPT A' ROLLIN << File: train.avi >> this is an avi which was sent to me in jan. but i didnt watch it until this week...unfortunately it has lingered in my head ever since, so i figured i'd inflict it upon my BOC-L brethren/sistren>>> it's a piece of reality from at least 40 years ago; it's not gory or porno but you may well be disturbed by it....i sure was> alternate "subject" titles were GONE DEAD TRAIN and INTO YOU LIKE A TRAIN but i went with the best-known candidate YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED >>larry b ps> afterwards, (if you dare) references to the cover of hawkwind's "roadhawks" lp will be in questionable taste>>> From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 18 20:16:44 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 01:16:44 +0000 Subject: OFF: Don't throw Styx Message-ID: On tor 18 mar 1999 16.13 -0500 "Stephen Swann" wrote: > Errrrr... sorry. Just trying to get into the spirit of The New BOC-L. ;) Yeah, I always figured you for one who liked lame-ass bands like BOC and Hawkwind! ;) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Mar 18 20:19:33 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:19:33 -0800 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:36:49 -0800, Joseph Brooks wrote: >Oh, I just can't resist this one. Apologies to those who don't care for this >sort of thing and fans of those bands on my list. Same here; I must have too much pent-up negative energy inside me ... >In no particular order (and staying within the general rock genre from the >70's thru the 80's): >Toto (I'm with ya, Torgo) >Styx >Journey >Boston >Foreigner (May qualify for #1 most despised on my list) >Loverboy (another contender for the #1 spot) >Pat Benetar >America/Bread (is there really any difference?) >Jackson Browne (Again, I'm with Torgo) >Ratt (a close runner up) >Poison >Duran Duran I certainly wouldn't defend any of those bands, but I'd have to leave Foreigner (by virtue of using an EML101 synthesizer, same as Alan Ravenstine of Pere Ubu, on some of their early records) and Pat Benatar (can't slag anyone who covers a Sweet song! Damn - that puts Def Leppard and Love & Rockets, two horrible bands, off limits - yuck) off my list. Sounds like you stopped listening to the radio/MTV years ago! I find it difficult to loathe very many of those bands since nobody would dream of playing (for instance) a Poison or Loverboy (well, actually, I once saw the Zip Code Rapists perform a note-perfect rendition of "Turn Me Loose") record in this day and age (see, all that grunge crap was good for SOMETHING). My list certainly wouldn't be complete without: Smashing Pumpkins (had to listen to their early stuff when I did college radio; I even bought their second 7" on Sub Pop [solely because of the label] and thought that it sucked, even before they put an album out) Depeche Mode (probably only because I had to listen to them because of a past girlfriend, but I really can't stand that whiny "we're-so-sensitive-and-misunderstood" crap that's shamelessly pandering to the adolescent female set; give me the Spice Girls over them any day!) oh hell ... I can't even think of anyone else worth the effort ... not even Marilyn Manson (fortunately, I've only had to hear his crap once) ... not as much negative energy as I thought, I guess ... and, on Thursday, March 18, 1999 1:48 PM, Torgo Sedler wrote: >Not naming any names, but I know for a fact that there is a MAJOR Styx >fan on this list. As for older albums like "equinox" and "Serpent", I >heard them all as a kid, but it's been a long time... I was hoping I could refrain from contributing to THAT thread, but my bandmate Steve (in Primodrial Undermind) went to college at Notre Dame (Indiana) in the early/mid-70s, saw Styx numerous times when they were still a bar band (maybe even before signing w/Wooden Nickel?), and he says that they ALWAYS sucked (but then again, he doesn't even like the other band I'M in). >And as for pissing on bands we hate, someone mentioned that we should >find a common band that we despise. Well, I think that will be >impossible to do, as no matter who is mentioned SOME ninny will stick up >for them. One of the things I love about this list! The range of opinions is about as wide as you can get! >But it would be interesting to see who we really dislike musically. I >mean, we pretty much stated our faves when we all did our "dream band" a >while back. Exactly! No harm in doing the opposite (heh heh ... anyone wanna come up with their scariest "nightmare" bands? I won't - I would *definitely* be pissing on some listmembers favorites if I did, as the singer and probably drummer would come from the same Canadian power trio ... ) >JACKSON BROWNE. >Awesome guys like Elvis Costello and Warren Zevon always get compared to >him... and I don't know why, as they have more talent than this >over-ripe melon of a performer. I'm not a fan of Elvis Costello (but I'll refrain from ever slagging him since he used Barney Bubbles for many of his album sleeve designs - obligatory Hawkwind content!), but he's got a zillion times the talent of Jackson Browne, and also had a great quote about Boston: "you see, rock and roll is about SEX; those guys are EUNUCHS!" And whatever you think of his music, you gotta loathe Jackson Browne for being a hypocritical "save-the-rain-forest-no-nukes" PC kind of guy who beats up his girlfriend (Darryl Hannah, I believe it was) on the side. At least Ike Turner never pretended to be a "sensitive" guy. >I could go on, but I think I see a pattern developing, and an annoying >one at that. :^) Isn't that the point? ;^) -Doug ceres at sirius.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 18 20:39:05 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 01:39:05 +0000 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated Message-ID: I'm impressed. Any music I didn't like I never listened to enough to hate. Though I reserve a hard spot in my heart for Nirvana, since I can't work up any sympathy for people who whinge about how miserable they are when they're that rich! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From tclark at PETRONET.NET Thu Mar 18 21:34:25 1999 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:34:25 -0600 Subject: TRAIN KEPT A' ROLLIN Message-ID: Hey, man...maybe I'm taking this out of context, but though I can appreciate your fascination with this video clip, as I am also, doesn't it seem that there would be another forum for this type of subject matter?..... There are alot of web pages that contain clips and pictures of dead bodies, gore, and all kinds of horrible things that can happen to people. Just look up "grotesque" in any search page..... Oh well, I won't discuss this any further...back to lurking again..... Regards DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > this is an avi which was sent to me in jan. but i didnt watch it until this > week...unfortunately it has lingered in my head ever since, so i figured i'd > inflict it upon my BOC-L brethren/sistren>>> > > it's a piece of reality from at least 40 years ago; it's not gory or porno but > you may well be disturbed by it....i sure was> > > alternate "subject" titles were GONE DEAD TRAIN and INTO YOU LIKE A TRAIN but > i went with the best-known candidate > > YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED > > >>larry b > > ps> afterwards, (if you dare) references to the cover of hawkwind's > "roadhawks" lp will be in questionable taste>>> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Name: train.avi > train.avi Type: Video for Windows (video/x-msvideo) > Encoding: base64 From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Fri Mar 19 01:05:12 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:05:12 -0600 Subject: OFF: Don't throw Styx Message-ID: "BREVARD, Adrian R." wrote: > > Actually they're a bunch of kids from Chicago who accidentally hit the > > > big time. They wrote a hell of a lot of good rock-n-roll (which > > > you'll never have heard, because I seriously doubt that you've even > > > *met* anybody who owns a copy of "Serpent" or "Equinox"). Then they > > > got carried away with their own success, and started getting into > > > artsy, overblown concept albums in the late 70s/early 80s. They made > > > really big fools of themselves, and they've never lived it down. > > True, grew up in a neighborhood about 3 miles away from my wife's old > neighborhood. Unless you count Tommy Shaw as a real memeber of Styx. > Believe Tommy hails from Alabama..."Go Tide!" > > Ah the conceptual stuff was ok, I like this band and used to own several > pieces of vinyl, at least 8, get it? > > Can we all work together and find a band universally despised on this list? > We gotta rip somebody...anybody...what about Boston? Motley Crue? LA Gunns? > C'mon folks think about it. > > Ghost in the Ruins > > NP: Galactic Cowboys - Space in Your Face Can it be Korn, please please PLEASE! Laj. From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 19 01:30:04 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 01:30:04 EST Subject: TRAIN KEPT A' ROLLIN Message-ID: In a message dated 3/18/99 2:08:12 PM, simplius at SOFTHOME.NET writes: << This is not a newsgroup, where I can choose by default what to pick. I use Remote Mailbox only when I have to delete mail remained after accidental disconnection. From now on it looks I will have to use it regularly, if this trend is to be continued. -- Goran >> does this mean you didnt get it? you're welcome to advise 'coz i'm new at this. i've previously recieved a couple files/pix through BOC-L and i was just contributing something strange. if i shouldnt i wont. not a prob. From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 19 01:33:50 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 01:33:50 EST Subject: TRAIN KEPT A' ROLLIN Message-ID: In a message dated 3/18/99 2:49:28 PM, simplius at SOFTHOME.NET writes: <> >>>>jeez, it's not like i'm INTO this kinda shit, other than being generally into weird shit....one of these is quite the f**k enough, thank you velly mush<<<< larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 19 01:37:40 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 01:37:40 EST Subject: TRAIN KEPT A' ROLLIN Message-ID: In a message dated 3/18/99 6:50:23 PM, Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET writes: <> i know, i know, f**kin instant forever nightmare and i WARNED EVERYONE LOUDLY, didnt i ? >>larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 19 02:05:13 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:05:13 EST Subject: TRAIN KEPT A' ROLLIN Message-ID: In a message dated 3/18/99 9:36:25 PM, tclark at PETRONET.NET writes: <> i would have to take aggressive exception to the phrase "appreciate your fascination", pal. did i cut in to your tree-hugging time or something? (yowza. f***in lame, wasnt it? on purpose too>>>) i think i'll throw this out to the gang, then. which would you prefer: defensive, apologetic, some mixture of both? i believe BOC-L to be an interesting and essentially intelligent bunch of people. i've had a computer since xmas and been on BOC-L six weeks or so...i'm amazed at what flies around the internet...some friends of mine who put out a punk 'zine called DUMPSTER DIVE sent that avi to me; they got it from someone in england...like i said, i didnt watch it for a couple months, and then i watched it on monday....freaked me the f**k out. i watched it twice, to make sure that REALLY WAS what i thought i'd just seen, and it wont be necessary to ever see it again...in fact i'll just trash it. i DO like stirrin shit up in a certain way, ask messrs. heller and anderson...but tossing that out wasnt meant to be more than one more passing bit of craziness. AND I WARNED EVERYONE LOUDLY, DID I NOT? EVERYONE HAD THE OPTION TO NOT WATCH IT. but if it's felt that i went too far, then my apologies to those who feel they deserve one. no malice was intended. there are many other ways to stir shit up.... ja ne! reaching for the bong.... >>larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 19 02:17:25 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:17:25 EST Subject: OFF: Don't throw Styx Message-ID: In a message dated 3/18/99 1:42:24 PM, cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK writes: < whole neo-hippy thing....>> well, carl didnt actually write that, hey joe? one night i had to sit in a friend's room while she got dressed, and heard quite a bit of some rusted root cd...thought it was sorta creepy...immaculately recorded but it sounded nothing like a BAND...rather like a bunch of parts playing played back together. >>lb From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 19 02:20:10 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:20:10 EST Subject: OFF: No wonder a same day digest Message-ID: In a message dated 3/18/99 2:39:18 PM, abrevard at SHL.COM writes: << Dude, appreciate the attempt to share the AVI...don't know about other peoples systems but all I received were thousands of lines of code...don't think the automatic mailer likes it when you put attachements in your mail...got a website addie for the AVI? >> after tonight's email reading, comrade, dont ask. just dont ask. From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Thu Mar 18 12:57:09 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:57:09 +0000 Subject: OFF: [Fwd: Music of the Millennium] Message-ID: What about some mass voting then? SAH NP The Tea Party - The Edges Of Twilight emi at jointhelist.com wrote: > Dear zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com, > > LISTEN UP AND VOTE IN MUSIC OF THE MILLENNIUM! > > Make sure your voice is heard in the UK's biggest ever > music survey, and give yourself a chance of winning > fantastic prizes along the way...... > > HMV and Channel 4 have launched Music of the Millennium 1999 - > the most comprehensive nationwide survey of the Millennium's > musical highlights ever undertaken. > > The survey runs throughout the year, concluding with a > dedicated Channel 4 TV broadcast in November, when the > results will be announced. > > HMV and Channel 4 want to canvass the views of as many > music fans as possible. > > We at EMI particularly wanted to let you know about this > because you have sent in a reply card from one or more > of our releases, showing impeccable musical taste! > > Because this is to be the definitive music survey, > covering the history of musical performance and recorded > sound, and all artists and music genres, there are 10 > categories to vote on: > > 1. Best Song > 2. Best Album > 3. Best Female Vocalist > 4. Best Male Vocalist > 5. Best Band > 6. Best Songwriter > 7. Best Jazz Performer > 8. Best Classical Composer > 9. Best Piece of Classical Music > 10. Most Influential Musician of the Millennium > > Jackpot Prize: > All votes polled enter the jackpot prize draw. One overall > winner, chosen at random will have their selections made > the subject of a short film to be broadcast later this > year on Channel 4. > Plus, there's ?2,000 in cash thrown in! > > For every thousandth vote.... > The person sending in every 1000th vote will also pick > up a fantastic prize. These will range from a ?2,000 > stereo system to Platinum discs signed by major artists, > and even a trolley-dash at HMV Oxford Street. > > There's a great chance to pick up a prize, so start > reviving your musical memories now and USE YOUR VOTE. > > Votes must be cast by July 31st, 1999. > > Simply click below and you will be taken to the official > Music of the Millennium website. Please feel free to fill > in as many of the categories as you like and don't > worry if you have to leave any lines blank. > > http://www.motm.co.uk > > ======================================================== > Generally we will only use your e-mail address to let you > know about future releases, tours or offers. If would > prefer not to receive this information please return all > of this message, your name and your email address to: > > nomail at jointhelist.com -- Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK e-zine and freezine http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: stuarthamilton.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 247 bytes Desc: Card for Stuart Hamilton URL: From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 19 02:32:40 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:32:40 EST Subject: Off: 10 Most hated Message-ID: In a message dated 3/18/99 5:36:40 PM, Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET writes: <> #2/4/5 here are all on my "must die" list. for the benefit of the by-now- tormented MAJOR styx fan i will concede that styx doesnt deserve NEARLY the agonizing death that boston and foreigner do. to the indignant rush fans please note i wouldnt put them on my "must die" list...they're on my "disinterested" list lessee...i would replace benatar and loverboy (unworthy of my attention) with KANSAS and WHITESNAKE...i'll think more about it...so many awful bands, so little time... how 'bout anything involving the voice of david clayton-thomas? dont be afraid; it's only figurative language (but i like it) >>larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 19 02:34:50 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:34:50 EST Subject: OFF: Don't throw Styx Message-ID: In a message dated 3/18/99 8:15:14 PM, cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK writes: <> as groo the wanderer said many many times: "did i err?" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 19 02:44:06 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:44:06 EST Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated Message-ID: In a message dated 3/18/99 8:37:28 PM, cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK writes: << I'm impressed. Any music I didn't like I never listened to enough to hate.>> well if one is going to go so far as to make up such a list, it's not necessarily a matter of what you've CHOSEN to hear...regarding the '70s bands mr brooks and i agree are to be hated, in my case and very likely his it's more a matter of constantly hearing those bands against your will...at work, in someone else's car, at a party, etc. >>>and those f*&%^N BANDS COULD NOT BE ESCAPED... >>>ja ne! "good-bad but not evil" >>larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 19 02:48:52 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:48:52 EST Subject: OFF: Don't throw Styx Message-ID: In a message dated 3/19/99 1:00:52 AM, erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM writes: <> a worthy choice....how bout those wacky millionaire harvard graduates RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE? lb From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Fri Mar 19 03:02:11 1999 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 01:02:11 -0700 Subject: TRAIN KEPT A' ROLLIN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Maybe I can beam some light on this: about a year ago, new to the list and the computer world in general, I attached a WAV file to a post which I felt might interest many on the list. I learned QUICKLY (and I agree completely, having had some time to think about it...) that people in general do NOT like receiving unsolicited large files in their e-mail. With some systems, or with some connections, it either slows things down to worse than a crawl, or trashes things completely. When someone sees "receiving message" or whatever, then 30 minutes later are still stuck downloading the same mailing with no way to cancel, well, emotions tend to get a bit heated. Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of DASLUD at AOL.COM > Sent: Friday, March 19, 1999 12:05 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: TRAIN KEPT A' ROLLIN > > > In a message dated 3/18/99 9:36:25 PM, tclark at PETRONET.NET writes: > > < can appreciate > your > fascination with this video clip, as I am also, doesn't it seem that there > would > be another forum for this type of subject matter?..... > >> > > i would have to take aggressive exception to the phrase "appreciate your > fascination", pal. did i cut in to your tree-hugging time or something? > > (yowza. f***in lame, wasnt it? on purpose too>>>) > > i think i'll throw this out to the gang, then. which would you prefer: > defensive, apologetic, some mixture of both? > > i believe BOC-L to be an interesting and essentially intelligent bunch of > people. i've had a computer since xmas and been on BOC-L six > weeks or so...i'm > amazed at what flies around the internet...some friends of mine > who put out a > punk 'zine called DUMPSTER DIVE sent that avi to me; they got it > from someone > in england...like i said, i didnt watch it for a couple months, and then i > watched it on monday....freaked me the f**k out. i watched it > twice, to make > sure that REALLY WAS what i thought i'd just seen, and it wont be > necessary to > ever see it again...in fact i'll just trash it. > > i DO like stirrin shit up in a certain way, ask messrs. heller and > anderson...but tossing that out wasnt meant to be more than one > more passing > bit of craziness. > AND I WARNED EVERYONE LOUDLY, DID I NOT? EVERYONE HAD THE OPTION > TO NOT WATCH > IT. > > but if it's felt that i went too far, then my apologies to those > who feel they > deserve one. no malice was intended. > > there are many other ways to stir shit up.... > > ja ne! > reaching for the bong.... > >>larry b > From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Mar 19 03:08:42 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 03:08:42 EST Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated Message-ID: In a message dated 99-03-18 20:24:16 EST, ceres at SIRIUS.COM writes: << Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET> wrote: >Oh, I just can't resist this one. Apologies to those who don't care for this >sort of thing and fans of those bands on my list. Same here; I must have too much pent-up negative energy inside me ... >>Same here, I'm in an angry mood today, so please pardon me, don't take too serious, etc, etc... >In no particular order (and staying within the general rock genre from the >70's thru the 80's): >Toto (I'm with ya, Torgo) >Styx >Journey >Boston >Foreigner (May qualify for #1 most despised on my list) >Loverboy (another contender for the #1 spot) >Pat Benetar >America/Bread (is there really any difference?) >Jackson Browne (Again, I'm with Torgo) >Ratt (a close runner up) >Poison >Duran Duran The cheesy '70s group that needs to be added to this list for me is Supertramp, mainly due to the vocals. Though I also hear something like Bad Co these and can't believe I ever liked them. Or how about this one--when I was about 8 yrs. old, Clapton's (or was it Derrick and the Dominoes?) "I Can't Stand It" was being played over and over again, and my sister and I had an inside joke (of which I'm sure half the nation had used it to) -- something like "I Can't Stand It"! "What"? "I can't stand hearing this song anymore! Not that ever liked it in the first place...ironic side-note: it wasn't 'till well past my classic rock stage and well into my Hawkwind stage where I finally got really turned on to Cream--all of a sudden I couldn't stop playing the Best Of album for some reason...Still love it. I certainly wouldn't defend any of those bands, but I'd have to leave Foreigner (by virtue of using an EML101 synthesizer, same as Alan Ravenstine of Pere Ubu, on some of their early records) ---Yeah, and on Chris Thomas/Wooden Birds, a post-Ubu project w/Chris Cutler. Odd band, PU. I actually never heard them until "Final Solutions" made it rounds on the HW Covers All Tapes; since then I've picked up a couple of their albums and one of the Wooden Birds albums, and never really felt compelled to continue spinning them much; all I can really say is "interesting singer, interesting sound for its time period). Another aside: I thought I was gonna be doing a one-hour radio set yesterday and I decided to play "Final Solution" in tandem w/"Space Is Deep" and then, w/an ironic tone in my voice, make a comment over the air about how the two how the two sounded remarkably familiar in some aspects... :) And no, I did not dubofa-dubofa-dubofa dub from the HW Covers all Tapes, I found the 7" a while ago... :) and Pat Benatar (can't slag anyone who covers a Sweet song! Damn - that puts Def Leppard and Love & Rockets, two horrible bands, off limits - yuck) off my list. ---If "Cum On Feel the Noise" was Sweet, then add Quiet Riot (a group I'll admit to liking when I was 11 or so; the lead guitarist, Carlos Cerveso, or something was my idol for a while; I'd pose in the mirror w/a baseball bat as my air-guitar...ah, the terrible influence of MTV on a young and malleable mind.) Or was that Slade? Smashing Pumpkins (had to listen to their early stuff when I did college radio; I even bought their second 7" on Sub Pop [solely because of the label] and thought that it sucked, even before they put an album out) ---Yeah, I've always been particularly rebellious about this sort of thing, but I think that just has a lot to do w/your own period. You particularly hate the contemporaries of the bands/styles you loved at the time. Depeche Mode (probably only because I had to listen to them because of a past girlfriend, but I really can't stand that whiny ---And hence, glam and this sort of thing was detested by me and my metal buddies. When I hear music that gets on my nerves now, I realize a lot of it is just that kind of bias. oh hell ... I can't even think of anyone else worth the effort ... not even Marilyn Manson (fortunately, I've only had to hear his crap once) ... not as much negative energy as I thought, I guess ... ---Yeah, you just wanna grab these little punks and show 'em all the older artists who not only had a similar image, but who also actually had some musical originality!! I guess MM is somewhat a sign of the times, though--can't think of anyone in the '70s (though I'm sure some here w/even more eclectic tastes can) that were quite like MM--Arthur Brown (Crazy World daze) I kind of thought of as a '60s King Diamond. Actually, come to think of it, some of Nik's stage apparel these days reminds me a bit of MM... Whoo, talk about a contrast in quality... yikes... May I never utter those two in the same sentence again... :) and, on Thursday, March 18, 1999 1:48 PM, Torgo Sedler >And as for pissing on bands we hate, someone mentioned that we should >find a common band that we despise. Well, I think that will be >impossible to do, as no matter who is mentioned SOME ninny will stick up >for them. One of the things I love about this list! The range of opinions is about as wide as you can get! ---Amen to that, brother. So much information gets passed around here...it's all a learning experience... >But it would be interesting to see who we really dislike musically. I >mean, we pretty much stated our faves when we all did our "dream band" a >while back. Exactly! No harm in doing the opposite (heh heh ... anyone wanna come up with their scariest "nightmare" bands? I won't - I would *definitely* be pissing on some listmembers favorites if I did, as the singer and probably drummer would come from the same Canadian power trio ... ) ---Thing is, when we get into this territory, for me we're talking about the so-bad-it's good, or-at-least-funny category. Now, as for worst musicianship, you really don't have to look much farther than the Mentors--El Duce on vox/drums, Dr. Heathen Scum on bass and Sickie Wifebeater on bass (again, please don't lose your sense of humor now, or I'm toast, as even Marylin Manson might have been offended buy these guys:)). They're the whole super- lame group already packaged and read to go. Though if one were to add a sax player...maybe Euclid James Motorhead Sherwood? Oops, but then we'd have to nominate Space-Ritual era Nik, but I _like_ the asthmatic water fowl... Fun thread, this... > -Doug ceres at sirius.com Rollin' and Tumblin', cause I don't need a job, maxin' and grossin', 'cause I really wanna play w/the Mothers, Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Mar 19 03:58:08 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 03:58:08 EST Subject: OFF: [Fwd: Music of the Millennium] Message-ID: In a message dated 99-03-19 02:29:59 EST, stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK writes: SAH NP The Tea Party - The Edges Of Twilight >> ---Finally someone else here got turned on!! Is this awesome shit or what?? Chuck From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Mar 19 04:00:31 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:00:31 -0000 Subject: TRAIN KEPT A' ROLLIN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > AND I WARNED EVERYONE LOUDLY, DID I NOT? EVERYONE HAD THE OPTION > TO NOT WATCH > IT. Yeah, but they didn't have the option to not receive it... this isn't one of those "on-topic-or-else" lists, but that can only work if everyone exercises a bit of judgement. It's not good manners to send megabyte-sized attachments when lots of folks have to connect through modem links anyway. But I think you got the picture already... - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM Fri Mar 19 04:07:46 1999 From: johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:07:46 +0100 Subject: TRAIN KEPT A' ROLLIN Message-ID: At 02:05 1999-03-19 EST, daslud SHOUTED: [...] >AND I WARNED EVERYONE LOUDLY, DID I NOT? >EVERYONE HAD THE OPTION TO NOT WATCH IT. but everyone didn't have the option to not RECEIVE it. if you take a look at the BOC-L Web Archives http://listserv.spc.edu/archives/boc-l.html at your mail with the .avi clip, direct url below: http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9903c&L=boc-l&P=11423 it looks nice in ASCII format? no, don't dare to touch the [stop] button - download the whole page. go and make some coffee while you wait. no, I said download the WHOLE page. there is no problem with your web browser. do not panic, this is your .avi this is the way some people received your mail. I not going to mention the total time wasted while connected to different ISP:s for all BOC-L members, while being forced to RECEIVE what in some cases is a playable .avi file, in some cases not playable text garbage. Attention! All planets of the Solar federation! Attention! All planets of the Solar federation! Attention! All planets of the Solar federation! Please NEVER, NEVER send large attachments to a mailing list. .joe lee quite happy with his third spin of HW97 - lots of guitars, polished, but still a raw fininsh - I can even handle the Rizz Ramblings! From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Mar 18 23:20:50 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 04:20:50 +0000 Subject: OFF: Don't throw Styx Message-ID: > > Can we all work together and find a band universally despised on this list? > > We gotta rip somebody...anybody...what about Boston? Motley Crue? LA Gunns? > > C'mon folks think about it. I have to admit, the way Rush gets bashed you'd think they were the worst band to ever find success, and that's soooooo far from the truth. -- Nick From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Mar 19 04:20:42 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:20:42 -0000 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Can't understand why everyone's getting exercised over old hat losers like all these 70s/80s AOR bands (well, not everyone, but a majority who've posted). Of them all, only Whitesnake were truly offensive... There's much bigger problems now, like Britney fucking "hit me one more time" Spears. Like girl power never happened... - Andy ObCD: Natacha Atlas - _Gedida_ mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Mar 19 04:22:37 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:22:37 +0000 Subject: Don't throw Styx Message-ID: Drummer. Nick Dingley, AKA Razzle of Hanoi Rocks. :-( Cheers, Rich. ObSingle: Up Around The Bend - Hanoi Rocks Hall, Russell J wrote: > Killed the lead singer of another band, that's sort of original > > > ---------- > > From: Joseph Brooks[SMTP:Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET] > > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 1999 10:56 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > > Subject: Re: Don't throw Styx > > > > Well, I never did hear anyone stick up for Boston. And Motley Crue should > > be > > despised just for stealing BOC's umlaut AND Kiss's makeup.. did they ever > > do > > anything original? > > > > JB > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BREVARD, Adrian R. [mailto:abrevard at SHL.COM] > > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 1999 7:16 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > > Subject: OFF: Don't throw Styx > > > > Actually they're a bunch of kids from Chicago who > > accidentally hit the > > > > big time. They wrote a hell of a lot of good > > rock-n-roll (which > > > > you'll never have heard, because I seriously doubt > > that > > you've even > > > > *met* anybody who owns a copy of "Serpent" or > > "Equinox"). Then they > > > > got carried away with their own success, and started > > getting into > > > > artsy, overblown concept albums in the late 70s/early > > 80s. They made > > > > really big fools of themselves, and they've never > > lived > > it down. > > > > > > True, grew up in a neighborhood about 3 miles away from my > > wife's old > > neighborhood. Unless you count Tommy Shaw as a real > > memeber > > of Styx. > > Believe Tommy hails from Alabama..."Go Tide!" > > > > Ah the conceptual stuff was ok, I like this band and used > > to > > own several > > pieces of vinyl, at least 8, get it? > > > > Can we all work together and find a band universally > > despised on this list? > > We gotta rip somebody...anybody...what about Boston? > > Motley > > Crue? LA Gunns? > > C'mon folks think about it. > > > > Ghost in the Ruins > > > > NP: Galactic Cowboys - Space in Your Face > > From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Mar 19 04:38:16 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 04:38:16 EST Subject: HW: Space Rock/ST-37 Article Message-ID: Came by this via Keith Henderson's Aural Innovations page and thought it'd be worth posting here, in case not everyone had happened upon it... By Ken Lieck JANUARY 20, 1998: As the days of 1997 drew to a chilly end, the scientists and engineers at NASA in Houston were finishing up work on a project to be realized early in 1998. Their goal was a feat that would appear to some as yet another great leap for mankind, and to others as the ultimate demonstration of America's obsession with "retro." Seems that for the first time in a quarter- century, NASA was cobbling together a rocket to launch to the moon. Unbeknownst to NASA, however, another crew -- one with a very different engineer -- was busily working less than a three-hour drive away, readying its own re-entry into the Space Age. Seems that ST-37 were cobbling together a new album in Austin, one scheduled to land in stores mere days away from the launching of the new moon rocket. In a sense, ST-37's third LP/CD (and fifth full-length studio effort) Spaceage was another giant step forward, and in a manner of speaking, a trip 25 years into the past. "Space Rock," the general term for the type of music that ST-37 gets lumped in with, is difficult to define, and getting increasingly more so. For some, it refers mainly to the newly resurging field of ambient music originally pioneered by Brian Eno in the early Seventies. To others, "Space Rock" represents the type of music epitomized by Hawkwind (also in the early Seventies) wherein vast space operas were put to music that bears a distinctly futuristic sound -- no great stretch, considering that famed science fiction/fantasy writer Michael Moorcock was a member of that band for a time. It's this latter version of "Space Rock" to which ST-37 adheres. "When hippie stuff was phasing out in the states," explains founding member and keyboardist Carlton Crutcher, "is when the Germans took it up, and carried the torch into the mid-Seventies." "They just got a good three/four-year dose of LSD," adds Crutcher's brother Joel, also the band's guitarist. "Then they got enough cash to buy coke and started sucking." Even as the Space Age deteriorated, fans of the genre never quite vanished, they just aged, although at a typical local ST-37 show, there's not a preponderance of balding Germans in the audience. "Our basic fan is a 35-year-old unemployed acidhead male," says Carlton, who, in the decade since he started ST-37, has seen his share of space cases turn up at the local band's shows. Co-founder and vocalist/bass player Scott Telles remembers the time they played with founding space oddity, the immortal band, Hawkwind. photograph by Marlene Hanlin "We played with Nik Turner [of Hawkwind]," recounts Telles, "and a bunch of the old hippie Hawkheads came out, expressing appreciation that we were doing it these days, as a younger group. Then we went up to New York and both Hawkwind and Nik Turner's Hawkwind were playing." In fact, that's the way most newer fans of an older generation of space rock have been introduced to the musical form; there seems to be at least one version of Hawkwind on the road at any given time, and the Nik Turner version has even been known to turn up at places like Emo's. "That's how people know about ST-37 now," explains Telles. "It's that, 'Oh, you were on the Hawkwind tribute.'" "The association is with Hawkwind," continues Carlton, "which is kinda odd because before we were kinda punk rock, kinda art rock shit." In truth, ST-37 tends to surprise fans of space rock with bursts of comparatively aggressive rock that pop up frequently in their live shows and albums. In the case of the group's more ambient followers, perhaps "shock" is a more appropriate word. This writer and ST share a common confusion over the typical audiences at live ambient music shows, however. Rather than being laid back, they tend to be very protective of the bands, and don't like to be distracted from the long, droning notes coming from the stage. "It's so funny, because to me, 'Ambient Music' means like, 'in the background,'" says ST-37 guitarist Mark Stone. "If I'm talking over it, it's like I'm adding to your art!" "Experimental music people are fanatical that way," adds a somewhat less baffled Carlton. "They act like they're at a U.T. class or something." "I call it 'sleep-core,'" says Joel. "I like it a lot, but it does make me fall asleep almost all the time when I hear it. All the new space rock bands sound like they all listen to the same album. It's amazing how they all sound the fuckin' same from band to band. I mean, we went on the road with some, and I like it, but... I think the difference is that they were all influenced by Spacemen 3, and we were all influenced by Hawkwind. Ours is more rockin' and like punk rock and theirs is more ambient." Basically, then, the creed of ST-37 is that there's no reason you can't have some hormone in with your drone. The more popular modern space rock band, for instance, isn't likely to whip out a cover of the Haters "No Talk in the Eighties" in between Can-type retro-spacers and long meandering instrumentals. But along with the key Hawkwind connection, new drummer Dave Cameron, who has served time with Brave Combo, Glass Eye, Dizzy Luna, and many others, points out an influence that might explain the basic uniqueness of ST-37 in the space rock field. "To me our core influence is the 13th Floor Elevators," states Cameron, who also played with Elevator Roky Erickson's Evil Hook Wild Life E.T. band. And he's not likely to hear too much disagreement from the others, as the band members' shared musical tastes are another important element of ST-37. "I used to see ST-37," recalls Cameron, "and I used to say, 'Man, they're great. Maybe someday I'll play with them -- and it worked out that I did. Then I realized that they had listened to all the same bands that I had listened to in school: Can, Amon Duul, Elevators, Eno... When me and Scott got together, our record collections were almost identical." One element shared by both types of space rock bands -- modern and old-school -- is a proclivity for flashy light shows and other hippie/rave trappings, but such bells and whistles are rarely seen at an ST-37 show. Instead, the band is positively frumpy. While not in the age range of their heroes, the members are well into that point in life when bellies become more prominent and hairlines less so. They don't wear garish clothing, preferring the working man's T-shirt and jeans look, and having singer Telles showing off his requisite bass player's slouch doesn't exactly add glamor to the proceedings, either. Why does the group eschew the more visual side associated with space rock? "We used to use stuff like that," says Telles, "but everyone was doing it, so it got a bit too clich?." "It seemed like, 'We can't play so well, so we've got this distraction for you,'" adds Joel. "It's nice just to do something musically that blows people's minds." He pauses a moment, then reasons: "They'll be seeing that shit anyway, whether it's there or not!" Telles is almost apologetic about the lack of lightning to go with the band's thunder, however: "Since I have three different instruments that I play, I'm busy preparing so I can get all the sounds I want. I wish I could get someone who's willing to mess with all the lights and stuff for us. We do seek to create a psychedelic experience." When all is said and done, though, this is 1998, not 1972. Where space rock bands, like the space expeditions of that time, were big, sprawling arena affairs, reaching the world via major record labels, ST-37 must remain content for now to preach from the pulpit of clubs like the Hole in the Wall, often without even the benefit of a sound man to guide their endeavors. They also have to rely on a myriad of small, eclectic record companies to put out their albums, and the numerous compilations on which they've had tracks appear (Spaceage, for example, comes via the Italian label Black Widow). Telles has no problems with the band's current situation; after all, ST-37's visibility has done nothing but grow, albeit slowly, over the decade since they began stepping in the shoes of Robert Calvert and the like. "I would just like to be able to continue to release records," Telles confides. "That's really the main enjoyment that I get out of it. We've managed to release just a tremendous amount of stuff, and it's kinda like a snowball: The more we put out, the more we seem to be able to put out. I just wish that we could work it out to where I could get more copies of the damn records!" Sorry, Scott, but in 1998, even NASA has a lot smaller budget than they'd like. Review of ST-37's Spaceage - A review from The Austin Chronicle Austin Chronicle's Music Feature Archives Ken Lieck Archives From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Mar 19 04:40:11 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:40:11 -0000 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated In-Reply-To: <3172617.3130796345@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > I'm impressed. Any music I didn't like I never listened to > enough to hate. Though I reserve a hard spot in my heart for > Nirvana, since I can't work up any sympathy for people who whinge > about how miserable they are when they're that rich! Yeah, the mentally ill are a bunch of whining losers, aren't they... Cobain was always suicidally depressive, if my impressions are correct, and his sudden global celebrity didn't exactly help. Money was the least of his worries. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 19 05:19:16 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:19:16 +0000 Subject: TRAIN KEPT A' ROLLIN Message-ID: On fre 19 mar 1999 01.30 +0000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > does this mean you didnt get it? you're welcome to advise 'coz i'm new at > this. i've previously recieved a couple files/pix through BOC-L and i was > just contributing something strange. if i shouldnt i wont. not a prob. S'OK, it's the kinda of thing people do when it's early days in their virtual steppin' out. I've seen people get flamed far worse for less than sending a bloody *enormous* great file to a list, so you lucked out ;) But, yes, probably best not to become a repeat offender. A method more smiled upon is to offer to send large attachments privately, or to put them on a web site where they may be viewed at leisure. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 19 05:31:02 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:31:02 +0000 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated Message-ID: On fre 19 mar 1999 02.44 +0000 DASLUD at aol.com wrote: > well if one is going to go so far as to make up such a list, it's not > necessarily a matter of what you've CHOSEN to hear...regarding the '70s bands > mr brooks and i agree are to be hated, in my case and very likely his it's > more a matter of constantly hearing those bands against your will...at work, > in someone else's car, at a party, etc. Ah, well, I guess I've lucked out there. I've never worked anywhere there was music (except if one counts my own room in school :). In cars, my parents have decent taste in classical music and used to occasionally let me spin the tunes--and my girlfriend likes Hawkwind, BOC, Sabbath, Skynyrd, etc. so I can't complain even if she does have a strange liking for Alanis Kitchenette ;) And luckily I don't many people who are liable to play anything too awful at parties. A lot of pubs play fairly dire music, but I never pay enough attention to be affected by it :) Actually, my final year of undergrad there were some dorks next door who played "YMCA" at all their parties and I ended up being none to fond of it. They had one _long_ party the night before graduation which went on into the wee hours. I retaliated by getting up a 6 am, putting the speakers against the wall, and cutting loose with _Space Ritual_ at full throttle :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 19 05:36:00 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:36:00 +0000 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated Message-ID: On fre 19 mar 1999 03.08 +0000 "Chuck Rosenberg" wrote: > (can't slag anyone who covers a Sweet song! Damn - that puts Def Leppard > and Love & Rockets, two horrible bands, off limits - yuck) off my list. Hey, I was really into Def Leppard when I was 17 :) I still maintain _High 'n' Dry_ was a good album in that 80s kinda way. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 19 05:38:25 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:38:25 +0000 Subject: OFF: [Fwd: Music of the Millennium] Message-ID: On fre 19 mar 1999 03.58 +0000 "Chuck Rosenberg" wrote: > NP The Tea Party - The Edges Of Twilight > ---Finally someone else here got turned on!! Is this awesome shit or what?? Definitely, though I don't think the 3rd album was as good as the first two, mostly because they tryed doing clever-arsed 90s technoid stuff in the production, and it didn't really suit them! But they're a great band. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 19 05:40:10 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:40:10 +0000 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated Message-ID: On fre 19 mar 1999 09.20 +0000 "Andy Gilham" wrote: > There's much > bigger problems now, like Britney fucking "hit me one more time" Spears. *who!?* Thank heavens I don't listen to the radio :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 19 05:54:19 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:54:19 +0000 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated Message-ID: On fre 19 mar 1999 09.40 +0000 "Andy Gilham" wrote: >> Though I reserve a hard spot in my heart for >> Nirvana, since I can't work up any sympathy for people who whinge >> about how miserable they are when they're that rich! > > Yeah, the mentally ill are a bunch of whining losers, aren't they... Cobain > was always suicidally depressive, if my impressions are correct, and his > sudden global celebrity didn't exactly help. Money was the least of his > worries. Yeah, money isn't everything and is the curse of the world besides. Intellectually I grasp Cobain's problem, but I'll *never* be able to _understand_ it. It's just too alien. So I resign myself to being annoyed at someone who is rich enough to do whatever they want for their whole life and their kids after, and then tops themself. I can understand people who ride fame and fortune like every day were the last day of Rome (i.e. Zeppelin ;) or who get very, very rich and then piss off to sit around and be rich and amuse themselves and do whatever (i.e. various ex-Beatles), and I can understand people who decide to become philanthropists (er, can't think of anyone off hand!), but I feel .... _disappointed_ in people who are handed it all and then throw themselves away. It's all I can do to grudgingly admit Cobain wrote catchy pop songs :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Mar 19 06:28:30 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:28:30 -0000 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated In-Reply-To: <96480.3130828262@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: Carl said > Ah, well, I guess I've lucked out there. I've never worked > anywhere there was music (except if one counts my own room in > school :). In cars, my parents have decent taste in classical > music and used to occasionally let me spin the tunes--and my > girlfriend likes Hawkwind, BOC, Sabbath, Skynyrd, etc. so I can't > complain even if she does have a strange liking for Alanis > Kitchenette ;) And Leonard Nimoy... :) > Actually, my final year of undergrad there were some dorks > next door who played "YMCA" at all their parties and I ended > up being none to fond of it. Hearing this at a disco with lots of French-speakers, I was very amused when a previously quiet Belgian girl started singing along, but singing, "moi, j'aime chier" ("I like to shit"). So "YMCA" always makes me giggle now. (And is there really a line in "In the Navy" that goes "In the navy, you can sail the seven seas/In the navy, you can catch a strange disease", or is that my overactive imagination? :) Count yourself lucky if you've never heard Britney Spears. You will. Number one in the UK and US singles charts, last I looked, and number one in the US album charts. Also count yourself lucky if you've never experienced even a slight touch of depression! - Andy ObCD: Jessica Bailiff - _Even in Silence_ mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From TERRY at SPCVXA.SPC.EDU Fri Mar 19 06:37:03 1999 From: TERRY at SPCVXA.SPC.EDU (Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 06:37:03 -0500 Subject: And now, a word from our sponsor (PLEASE READ) Message-ID: I'm the guy who manages the servers at SPC (and gets to decide what is and isn't allowed). Imagine my surprise when I found several hundred error mes- sages in my mailbox, all larger than a megabyte in size. Then, when I started investigating, I found other parts of the SPC mail system clogged up due to sites that won't receive messages that large. And then I discovered that the BOC-L moderator's mailbox was full due to all of this. Then I started getting error messages about error messages... WE ARE NOT AMUSED If you want this list to continue here, this had better stop (along with some other lesser offenses which I'll detail later). If you have something to share with BOC-L readers but it's binary and/or large, put it on a web page and send *only* the URL to the list. Given that you can get free web pages from any number of outfits (like Geocities), this is a much better way of distributing your files, since a) only those who want it will receive it, and b) it's guaranteed that they'll get it in a manner that they can use, rather than as ASCII gibberish in a digest message. Other things that should stop as well: 1) Quoting the entire message (including headers) you're responding to. Only include the relevant text, not the whole message. And avoid the urge to indent the quoted text with a zillion spaces. 2) No messages in HTML, either with or without a copy in non-HTML form. URL's, etc. are Ok - but nobody wants to wade through a message that's 50% HTML tags. 3) No VCARD attachments. There are lots of standards-compliant email clients out there. Use one. I have changed the maximum message size that listserv.spc.edu allows. I'm not going to say what it is (to avoid people sending large messages just under the maximum size), but it's plenty big enough for single messages and the daily digests. Hopefully this will be the last time that BOC-L shows up on my radar screen for a long time... Your not so benevolent despot, Terry Kennedy Operations Manager, Academic Computing terry at spcvxa.spc.edu St. Peter's College, Jersey City, NJ USA +1 201 915 9381 (voice) +1 201 435-3662 (FAX) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 19 06:49:05 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:49:05 +0000 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated Message-ID: On fre 19 mar 1999 11.28 +0000 "Andy Gilham" wrote: > Count yourself lucky if you've never heard Britney Spears. You will. > Number one in the UK and US singles charts, last I looked, and number one in > the US album charts. Continued isolation from radio and television should help protect me :) > Also count yourself lucky if you've never experienced even a slight touch of > depression! Yeah, but it was because I was broke and unemployed! :) If I can scrape up enough cash to afford the occasional CD, book, or pint, then I reckon I got no business complaining about anything else :) Petri Walli offed himself, and I count that a infinitely greater loss than Cobain. Now there was a depressed man. But I find most of his music extremely uplifting, and besides, he wasn't totally rich. Quite different, IMO. So I can't work up the same level of antipathy :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Mar 19 07:41:10 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:41:10 EST Subject: OFF: Tea Party Message-ID: In a message dated 99-03-19 05:37:22 EST, you write: << Definitely, though I don't think the 3rd album was as good as the first two, mostly because they tryed doing clever-arsed 90s technoid stuff in the production, and it didn't really suit them! But they're a great band. >> ----I hated Transmission. Nothing like Edges or Summer Solis, a complete sell- out and waste of talent. I'm praying that they come back w/something more like their original sound. If they could pull off at least just one more album in that style, I'd probably die of happiness, 'cause I've gotten a lot of milage out of those two albums (and "Alhambra", though I still haven't found the disc). Chuck From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Mar 19 07:41:20 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 12:41:20 +0000 Subject: OFF: hippy cockroach Message-ID: this gave me a few laughs when read on the bomp list: "This is somewhat off topic, but I figured Bomp!ers might be interested to know that the late Jerry Garcia has recently been immortalised in science by having a North American cockroach named in his honour. The snippet below is from the original (web only) publication at http://www.epress.com/w3jbio/vol4.htm >Cryptocercus garciai n.sp. >Etymology: This species is named in memory of the late Jerry Garcia, a >member of the musical group, The Grateful Dead. What a long strange trip its >been. A bit of digging around later I also came across a few other scientific names which honour other cool (and not so cool) 20th Century musicians: Aegrotocatellus jaggeri & Perirehaedulus richardsi Arcticalymene viciousi, A. rotteni, A. jonesi, A. cooki, and A. matlocki Avalanchurus lennoni, Avalanchurus starri, and Struszia mccartneyi Mackenziurus johnnyi, M. joeyi, M. deedeei, and M. ceejay - all of these are trilobites Villa manillae - a fly Dicrotendipes thanatogratus - not so obvious, this one. This is a midge, the second part of the name of which (thanatogratus) is Latin for "Grateful Dead" There is also a genus of lace bugs called Petula, named by (of all people) someone called Clarke. And for those of you with interests in classical music, there is always Mozartella beethovenii (a wasp). Brendan" Stones, Pistols, and Ramones trilobytes :-) Mama 'll have to buy him a muzzle: Sit when I say "sit!" And come when I whistle -Thee Headcoatees From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Fri Mar 19 07:58:07 1999 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 12:58:07 GMT Subject: 1 Minute Of Hatred? Message-ID: You cultists really need an object of despise for fulfilling the Orwellian 1984 'One Minute Of Hatred' ritual? OK, then here is a list of meat for you beasts, although they can never be described as dissidents from the righteous 'BOC/HW thought', since they've never been into it: Asia Rod Stewart (with or without Faeces, oops Faces) Mike Oldfield Jean Michel Jarre Uriah Heep Rainbow Bon Jovi And also smart 'new wave' asses (that could be into 'thought'): Lou Reed Talking Heads Stranglers R.E.M. Special arty case for dessert: Prince/The Sign Tasty enough? Or we should keep our private collection of 'dissidents' for our individual purposes? -- Goran From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 19 08:14:56 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:14:56 GMT Subject: And now, a word from our sponsor (PLEASE READ) In-Reply-To: Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr's message of Fri, 19 Mar 1999 06:37:03 -0500 Message-ID: Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr writes: > I'm the guy who manages the servers at SPC (and gets to decide what is and > isn't allowed). Imagine my surprise when I found several hundred error mes- > sages in my mailbox, all larger than a megabyte in size. Then, when I started > investigating, I found other parts of the SPC mail system clogged up due to > sites that won't receive messages that large. And then I discovered that the > BOC-L moderator's mailbox was full due to all of this. Then I started getting > error messages about error messages... > > WE ARE NOT AMUSED > > If you want this list to continue here, this had better stop (along with > some other lesser offenses which I'll detail later). If you have something Ah - I was afraid of this. It's hardly my place to make apologies for others but I'm sorry this has happened and I would hate to lose BOC-L because of it since it's been a part of my life for a long time now! I'll gladly abide by the rules and I really hope other folk will be able to. Courtesy is not the norm in Netland but it would be good if a small amount could be preserved at least in this domain since it is, I fear, somewhat of a dying art and it's good to have somewhere I can still get messages from folk who are polite as well as passionate about the things they enjoy. cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Mar 19 08:27:48 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:27:48 +0000 Subject: HW: Cut out bins... In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990318143338.0068b590@mail1.wizvax.net> Message-ID: In article <3.0.3.32.19990318143338.0068b590 at mail1.wizvax.net>, Bolts of Ungodly Vision writes >Against my better judgment I walked into the local Cocnuts retailing branch ^^^^^^^ Is that pronounced like I think it is? -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Mar 19 08:26:18 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:26:18 +0000 Subject: Don't throw Styx In-Reply-To: <91B3F4CA7220D1118BA00000F83114BD021CF302@emss05m03.sanders.lmco.com> Message-ID: In article <91B3F4CA7220D1118BA00000F83114BD021CF302 at emss05m03.sanders.l mco.com>, Hall, Russell J writes >Killed the lead singer of another band, that's sort of original Do you mean Razzle? He was a drummer, no? -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Mar 19 08:24:42 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:24:42 +0000 Subject: OFF: Don't throw Styx In-Reply-To: <000001be715a$7b025ba0$7a3f63c3@default> Message-ID: In article <000001be715a$7b025ba0$7a3f63c3 at default>, Andy Gilham writes >As a Hawkwind fan, I know all too well what it's like to have your favourite >band slagged all over the shop... still, in the spirit of joining in, I'll >take the opportunity to say "Kula Shaker"... What is it with Kula Shaker? There's no real reason to dislike them...yet...yet..... They're not as irritating as The Fugees, my nomination. -- Jon From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Mar 19 08:35:53 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:35:53 EST Subject: 1 Minute Of Hatred? Message-ID: In a message dated 99-03-19 07:56:00 EST, simplius at SOFTHOME.NET writes: << OK, then here is a list of meat for you beasts, although they can never be described as dissidents from the righteous 'BOC/HW thought', since they've never been into it: ----Well, we are a superior people w/superior, and quite elevated, musical tastes, naturally. :) Asia Rod Stewart (with or without Faeces, oops Faces) Mike Oldfield ----This man I will allow. Jean Michel Jarre Uriah Heep ---This I quite good. Rainbow ---Only the albums with the "great little one". Bon Jovi ---The rest must be abolished. Esp. this latter artist. And also smart 'new wave' asses (that could be into 'thought'): Lou Reed Talking Heads Stranglers R.E.M. ---Could have been more offensive. Our ears are delicate and sensitive, no doubt, but these may pass... Special arty case for dessert: Prince/The Sign Tasty enough? ---Well, yes and no, since I did go through a Purple Rain stage around '83. But I was young and impressionable so what would you have? Or we should keep our private collection of 'dissidents' for our individual purposes? -- Goran Thanks for thr grub, and I after this I will probably never talk about bands I hate ever again on this list, unless I get really mad again, Chuck ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yb01.mx.aol.com (rly-yb01.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.1]) by air-yb04.mail.aol. >> From mordru at FLITE.NET Fri Mar 19 08:39:41 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:39:41 -0500 Subject: Off: 10 Most hated Message-ID: >Oh, I just can't resist this one. Apologies to those who don't care for this >sort of thing and fans of those bands on my list. > >In no particular order (and staying within the general rock genre from the >70's thru the 80's): > >Toto (I'm with ya, Torgo) >Styx >Journey >Boston >Foreigner (May qualify for #1 most despised on my list) >Loverboy (another contender for the #1 spot) >Pat Benetar >America/Bread (is there really any difference?) >Jackson Browne (Again, I'm with Torgo) >Ratt (a close runner up) >Poison >Duran Duran Lessee, some of these have BOC connections.... Mirrors was produced by a guy who had produced Loverboy albums, Jacksone Browne was almost the front man for BOC at one point. I kinda like Duran Duran. I think I would have to toss "Menudo" on my list of all-time hated bands. I lived in Latin America at the time they were at their most popular there... ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From tclark at PETRONET.NET Fri Mar 19 08:46:21 1999 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:46:21 -0600 Subject: TRAIN KEPT A' ROLLIN Message-ID: There you go! My sentiments exactly..... Kevin Sommers wrote: > Maybe I can beam some light on this: about a year ago, new to the list and > the computer world in general, I attached a WAV file to a post which I felt > might interest many on the list. I learned QUICKLY (and I agree completely, > having had some time to think about it...) that people in general do NOT > like receiving unsolicited large files in their e-mail. With some systems, > or with some connections, it either slows things down to worse than a crawl, > or trashes things completely. When someone sees "receiving message" or > whatever, then 30 minutes later are still stuck downloading the same mailing > with no way to cancel, well, emotions tend to get a bit heated. > > Kevin Sommers > > primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > Behalf Of DASLUD at AOL.COM > > Sent: Friday, March 19, 1999 12:05 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > > Subject: Re: TRAIN KEPT A' ROLLIN > > > > > > In a message dated 3/18/99 9:36:25 PM, tclark at PETRONET.NET writes: > > > > < > can appreciate > > your > > fascination with this video clip, as I am also, doesn't it seem that there > > would > > be another forum for this type of subject matter?..... > > >> > > > > i would have to take aggressive exception to the phrase "appreciate your > > fascination", pal. did i cut in to your tree-hugging time or something? > > > > (yowza. f***in lame, wasnt it? on purpose too>>>) > > > > i think i'll throw this out to the gang, then. which would you prefer: > > defensive, apologetic, some mixture of both? > > > > i believe BOC-L to be an interesting and essentially intelligent bunch of > > people. i've had a computer since xmas and been on BOC-L six > > weeks or so...i'm > > amazed at what flies around the internet...some friends of mine > > who put out a > > punk 'zine called DUMPSTER DIVE sent that avi to me; they got it > > from someone > > in england...like i said, i didnt watch it for a couple months, and then i > > watched it on monday....freaked me the f**k out. i watched it > > twice, to make > > sure that REALLY WAS what i thought i'd just seen, and it wont be > > necessary to > > ever see it again...in fact i'll just trash it. > > > > i DO like stirrin shit up in a certain way, ask messrs. heller and > > anderson...but tossing that out wasnt meant to be more than one > > more passing > > bit of craziness. > > AND I WARNED EVERYONE LOUDLY, DID I NOT? EVERYONE HAD THE OPTION > > TO NOT WATCH > > IT. > > > > but if it's felt that i went too far, then my apologies to those > > who feel they > > deserve one. no malice was intended. > > > > there are many other ways to stir shit up.... > > > > ja ne! > > reaching for the bong.... > > >>larry b > > From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Fri Mar 19 09:03:11 1999 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Patrick Cordiner) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 00:03:11 +1000 Subject: Band bagging Message-ID: Having lurked in the background for most of this band bagging I went to my trusty record collection and found a few of my own gems:- Asia (if anyone remembers) Mooseheart Faith (obscure American band - songs with intriguing titles like `Aliens from Space' `I'm lost in Space') the majority of Alan Parsons. Anything remotely connected with E.L.O. I'll think I'll go back to my hovel now. -Patrick From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Fri Mar 19 09:16:44 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:16:44 -0500 Subject: OFF: [Fwd: Music of the Millennium] In-Reply-To: <67dd3d8a.36f211a0@aol.com> from "Chuck Rosenberg" at Mar 19, 99 03:58:08 am Message-ID: Chuck Rosenberg writes: > > In a message dated 99-03-19 02:29:59 EST, stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK > writes: > > SAH > NP The Tea Party - The Edges Of Twilight > >> > > ---Finally someone else here got turned on!! Is this awesome shit or what?? Is that the band that Nick Cave came from? Steve swann at plutonia.com From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Fri Mar 19 10:01:54 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:01:54 -0500 Subject: OFF: Don't throw Styx In-Reply-To: <6112a528.36f1fe1a@aol.com> from "DASLUD@AOL.COM" at Mar 19, 99 02:34:50 am Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: > > In a message dated 3/18/99 8:15:14 PM, cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK writes: > > <> > > as groo the wanderer said many many times: > > "did i err?" I was mostly joking about that. Although the overall tend in the history of this has been towards less politeness and consideration for others, I can still only think of only two occasions (in almost 10 years) that I've been really tempted to unsubscribe for good. This current "bashing" is too essentially silly and harmless to be even close. People bashing Def Leppard! Heaven to betsy! ;-) Steve swann at plutonia.com From bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Mar 19 10:27:40 1999 From: bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:27:40 PST Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated Message-ID: Andy said: >> Also count yourself lucky if you've never experienced even a slight touch >of >> depression! Then Carl said: > Yeah, but it was because I was broke and unemployed! :) >If I can scrape up enough cash to afford the occasional CD, >book, or pint, then I reckon I got no business complaining >about anything else :) I'm with you there, Carl. I was laid-off recently, and though I'm not totally unemployed, (I'm doing some freelance work) I count myself lucky to pop down to the record shop and bring home some new tunes. I find I'm actually buying *more* CDs than before because I have more free time to spend in the shops! ;-) There's just no time to be depressed when you're discovering great new tunes! Brian obCD> Chanka Chank- "Rustbelt Cajun/Zydeco" obHated bands (rock only)> Bon Jovi, Steely Dan, Bob Segar Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Mar 19 10:50:02 1999 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:50:02 +0000 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated In-Reply-To: <180494.3130829659@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 10:54 19/03/99 +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Intellectually I grasp Cobain's problem, but I'll *never* >be able to _understand_ it. It's just too alien. So I resign >myself to being annoyed at someone who is rich enough to do whatever >they want for their whole life and their kids after, and then >tops themself. I used to get annoyed at rich people who whinged about how awful it was to be rich and famous. I don't know if so many people do that now, but it seemed to be common a decade or two ago. If being rich was so bad for them, I'd have been willing to help remove the source of their pain :-(. But Kurt Cobain wasn't in that situation. He was severely depressed before he became rich, and money isn't a cure for everything. So I get more annoyed at people who say "what a loser", than I do at him. Anyway, he wrote some good tunes. Dave. Languages Group Manager. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Fri Mar 19 10:58:24 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:58:24 -0800 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated Message-ID: Well, you know, there's hate and then there's hate.. In here, when I say I hate something, its in the childish, "I hate spinach!" meaning, not the "I wish you were dead" meaning. As a wannabe musician for most of my life, I admire (nearly) anyone who can make a living, much less become rich and famous, by playing music. I guess I should, if I am to be taken literally, change "hate" to "annoyed by" or in some cases, "amused by". Also, have you never been a captive audience to a top 40 radio station? Ah, Nirvana.. See? I knew you could come up with one if you really tried! :-) JB -----Original Message----- From: Carl Edlund Anderson [mailto:cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK] Sent: Thursday, March 18, 1999 5:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: OFF: 10 Most hated I'm impressed. Any music I didn't like I never listened to enough to hate. Though I reserve a hard spot in my heart for Nirvana, since I can't work up any sympathy for people who whinge about how miserable they are when they're that rich! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Mar 19 11:09:23 1999 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 16:09:23 +0000 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated In-Reply-To: <000301be71e9$c3306540$8f3f63c3@default> Message-ID: At 09:20 19/03/99 -0000, Andy Gilham wrote: >Can't understand why everyone's getting exercised over old hat losers like >all these 70s/80s AOR bands (well, not everyone, but a majority who've >posted). Of them all, only Whitesnake were truly offensive... This reminds me of the "Top 10 Heavy Metal" programme that Channel 4 showed a couple of weeks back. It was like a competition to spot the biggest idiot. Ritchie Blackmore made a surprisingly strong showing: he was interviewed wearing a cloak and a very sad hat, and was completely self-obsessed. He was obviously hell to work with. Nowadays he seems to have retreated into a renaissance fantasy world. David Coverdale was a more conventional idiot. My favourite revelation was that the rest of the band called him "Elsie", which puts his macho nonsense into perspective. Ozzy and Philthy were obviously completely barking, but they were also fun. For me, the winner was Ronnie James Dio. The man is a fool, which the programme highlighted nicely. Just after he explained that he didn't write love songs, and "preferred to address a different intelligence", they cut to a clip of "Long Live Rock 'n' Roll", a dreadful song that contains not even a homeopathic trace of intelligence. By contrast, Iron Maiden and Def Leppard came across as people who just happened to make it big. They were actually likeable (the people, not necessarily their music). Lemmy was his usual self -- chirpy, idealistic, sensitive ... Dave. Languages Group Manager. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 19 11:02:35 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:02:35 EST Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip Message-ID: In a message dated 3/18/99 12:54:43 PM, swann at PLUTONIA.COM writes: << I might tell you that throwing loads of abuse at other people's favorite bands isn't a real fine thing to be doing. But there's nothing that can make you agree with me. :-)>> well, if you're standing over some beaten and cowering individual then "throwing loads of abuse" is doubleplus uncool...THIS WAS UNDERSTOOD or so i thought. there's a scene in an old marvel AVENGERS comic involving their hercules character; to paraphrase, he's lounging around headquarters when some enemy shows up and knocks him across the room. hercules gets up w/a big smile on his face and says "oho! you've come to share THE GIFT!" and proceeds to knock the other guy across the room... but i dont think some folks here appreciate the exchange of "gifts" here....beating people up suggests the other party is a helpless victim; to hell with that>>>the "victim" is supposed to get up and fire back... there are ways and there are ways... ja ne! good-bad but not evil >.larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 19 11:08:33 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:08:33 EST Subject: TRAIN KEPT A' ROLLIN Message-ID: In a message dated 3/19/99 3:02:31 AM, novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM writes: << With some systems, or with some connections, it either slows things down to worse than a crawl, or trashes things completely. When someone sees "receiving message" or whatever, then 30 minutes later are still stuck downloading the same mailing with no way to cancel, well, emotions tend to get a bit heated. Kevin Sommers>> >.thanks. this is quite understood now. >>lb From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 19 11:10:01 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:10:01 EST Subject: TRAIN KEPT A' ROLLIN Message-ID: In a message dated 3/19/99 4:02:42 AM, Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM writes: <> "get the picture?/yes we see" SHANGRI-LAS, "LEADER OF THE PACK" '64 From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 19 11:21:17 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:21:17 EST Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated Message-ID: In a message dated 3/19/99 3:12:03 AM, Chuckrecs at AOL.COM writes: <<"Final Solution" in tandem w/"Space Is Deep">> yeah, they both have that similar kinda 2chord passage.... From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 19 11:24:14 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:24:14 EST Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated Message-ID: In a message dated 3/19/99 4:42:19 AM, Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM writes: <> ....a little TOO broad. ....a little TOO reactionary >.lb From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 19 11:26:24 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:26:24 EST Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated Message-ID: In a message dated 3/19/99 5:39:06 AM, cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK writes: <<> There's much > bigger problems now, like Britney fucking "hit me one more time" Spears. *who!?* Thank heavens I don't listen to the radio :) >> >>>me neeether >>lb From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Fri Mar 19 11:29:56 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:29:56 -0800 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated Message-ID: Lets see.. lots to consider here... Foreigner: They are mostly on my list because of two songs which just make me want to blow up my radio. "Hot Blooded" and, worst of all, that "Juke Box Hero" song... Pat Benetar: Again, this is due to one song. "Love is a Battlefield". I don't know why but that song just bugs me to no end. Not really fair but... Yes, I'm sort of a geezer and haven't watched MTV on a regular basis since Martha Quinn was a VJ and the big video was "Girls just wanna have fun". Also though, I was trying to stick with bands which I consider to come from the same era as BOC. My own poor attempt to remain on topic I guess. If we're talking 90's or late 90's, I have to add Korn and Beck (Not Jeff). JB -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Rosenberg [mailto:Chuckrecs at AOL.COM] Sent: Friday, March 19, 1999 12:09 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: OFF: 10 Most hated In a message dated 99-03-18 20:24:16 EST, ceres at SIRIUS.COM writes: << Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET> wrote: >Oh, I just can't resist this one. Apologies to those who don't care for this >sort of thing and fans of those bands on my list. Same here; I must have too much pent-up negative energy inside me ... >>Same here, I'm in an angry mood today, so please pardon me, don't take too serious, etc, etc... >In no particular order (and staying within the general rock genre from the >70's thru the 80's): >Toto (I'm with ya, Torgo) >Styx >Journey >Boston >Foreigner (May qualify for #1 most despised on my list) >Loverboy (another contender for the #1 spot) >Pat Benetar >America/Bread (is there really any difference?) >Jackson Browne (Again, I'm with Torgo) >Ratt (a close runner up) >Poison >Duran Duran The cheesy '70s group that needs to be added to this list for me is Supertramp, mainly due to the vocals. Though I also hear something like Bad Co these and can't believe I ever liked them. Or how about this one--when I was about 8 yrs. old, Clapton's (or was it Derrick and the Dominoes?) "I Can't Stand It" was being played over and over again, and my sister and I had an inside joke (of which I'm sure half the nation had used it to) -- something like "I Can't Stand It"! "What"? "I can't stand hearing this song anymore! Not that ever liked it in the first place...ironic side-note: it wasn't 'till well past my classic rock stage and well into my Hawkwind stage where I finally got really turned on to Cream--all of a sudden I couldn't stop playing the Best Of album for some reason...Still love it. I certainly wouldn't defend any of those bands, but I'd have to leave Foreigner (by virtue of using an EML101 synthesizer, same as Alan Ravenstine of Pere Ubu, on some of their early records) ---Yeah, and on Chris Thomas/Wooden Birds, a post-Ubu project w/Chris Cutler. Odd band, PU. I actually never heard them until "Final Solutions" made it rounds on the HW Covers All Tapes; since then I've picked up a couple of their albums and one of the Wooden Birds albums, and never really felt compelled to continue spinning them much; all I can really say is "interesting singer, interesting sound for its time period). Another aside: I thought I was gonna be doing a one-hour radio set yesterday and I decided to play "Final Solution" in tandem w/"Space Is Deep" and then, w/an ironic tone in my voice, make a comment over the air about how the two how the two sounded remarkably familiar in some aspects... :) And no, I did not dubofa-dubofa-dubofa dub from the HW Covers all Tapes, I found the 7" a while ago... :) and Pat Benatar (can't slag anyone who covers a Sweet song! Damn - that puts Def Leppard and Love & Rockets, two horrible bands, off limits - yuck) off my list. ---If "Cum On Feel the Noise" was Sweet, then add Quiet Riot (a group I'll admit to liking when I was 11 or so; the lead guitarist, Carlos Cerveso, or something was my idol for a while; I'd pose in the mirror w/a baseball bat as my air-guitar...ah, the terrible influence of MTV on a young and malleable mind.) Or was that Slade? Smashing Pumpkins (had to listen to their early stuff when I did college radio; I even bought their second 7" on Sub Pop [solely because of the label] and thought that it sucked, even before they put an album out) ---Yeah, I've always been particularly rebellious about this sort of thing, but I think that just has a lot to do w/your own period. You particularly hate the contemporaries of the bands/styles you loved at the time. Depeche Mode (probably only because I had to listen to them because of a past girlfriend, but I really can't stand that whiny ---And hence, glam and this sort of thing was detested by me and my metal buddies. When I hear music that gets on my nerves now, I realize a lot of it is just that kind of bias. oh hell ... I can't even think of anyone else worth the effort ... not even Marilyn Manson (fortunately, I've only had to hear his crap once) ... not as much negative energy as I thought, I guess ... ---Yeah, you just wanna grab these little punks and show 'em all the older artists who not only had a similar image, but who also actually had some musical originality!! I guess MM is somewhat a sign of the times, though--can't think of anyone in the '70s (though I'm sure some here w/even more eclectic tastes can) that were quite like MM--Arthur Brown (Crazy World daze) I kind of thought of as a '60s King Diamond. Actually, come to think of it, some of Nik's stage apparel these days reminds me a bit of MM... Whoo, talk about a contrast in quality... yikes... May I never utter those two in the same sentence again... :) and, on Thursday, March 18, 1999 1:48 PM, Torgo Sedler >And as for pissing on bands we hate, someone mentioned that we should >find a common band that we despise. Well, I think that will be >impossible to do, as no matter who is mentioned SOME ninny will stick up >for them. One of the things I love about this list! The range of opinions is about as wide as you can get! ---Amen to that, brother. So much information gets passed around here...it's all a learning experience... >But it would be interesting to see who we really dislike musically. I >mean, we pretty much stated our faves when we all did our "dream band" a >while back. Exactly! No harm in doing the opposite (heh heh ... anyone wanna come up with their scariest "nightmare" bands? I won't - I would *definitely* be pissing on some listmembers favorites if I did, as the singer and probably drummer would come from the same Canadian power trio ... ) ---Thing is, when we get into this territory, for me we're talking about the so-bad-it's good, or-at-least-funny category. Now, as for worst musicianship, you really don't have to look much farther than the Mentors--El Duce on vox/drums, Dr. Heathen Scum on bass and Sickie Wifebeater on bass (again, please don't lose your sense of humor now, or I'm toast, as even Marylin Manson might have been offended buy these guys:)). They're the whole super- lame group already packaged and read to go. Though if one were to add a sax player...maybe Euclid James Motorhead Sherwood? Oops, but then we'd have to nominate Space-Ritual era Nik, but I _like_ the asthmatic water fowl... Fun thread, this... > -Doug ceres at sirius.com Rollin' and Tumblin', cause I don't need a job, maxin' and grossin', 'cause I really wanna play w/the Mothers, Chuck From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 19 11:29:40 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:29:40 EST Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated Message-ID: In a message dated 3/19/99 5:58:15 AM, cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK writes: <> i think cobain had a paticular vein to mine, and it was probably FINITE...however much regard cobain deserves, it was DAVE GROHL who made nirvana platinum as much as, or moreso, than cobain >>lb From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Fri Mar 19 11:38:43 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:38:43 -0800 Subject: And now, a word from our sponsor (PLEASE READ) Message-ID: >and avoid the >urge to indent the quoted text with a zillion spaces. Yikes.. I believe it's the stupid mailer (Thanks, Mr. Gates) that does the above automatically and perhaps some of his other complaints. I will attempt to twiddle the program and make it stop. Also, my msgs. Are not in html, are they? JB From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 19 11:35:15 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:35:15 EST Subject: OFF: Don't throw Styx Message-ID: In a message dated 3/19/99 8:35:54 AM, jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK writes: <> what i read about them made me think i'd like'em...still havent heard 'em tho >>lb From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 19 11:39:20 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:39:20 EST Subject: OFF: Don't throw Styx Message-ID: In a message dated 3/19/99 10:03:05 AM, swann at PLUTONIA.COM writes: <> yesterday i said it wouldnt be any fun to dogpile...i'm into "spirited debate" myself...but i need to reconfigure, methinks... >>lb From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Mar 19 12:04:58 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:04:58 -0000 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated In-Reply-To: <28cd8136.36f27a2e@aol.com> Message-ID: That's it Larry, you're on my junk senders list as of now. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of DASLUD at AOL.COM > Sent: 19 March 1999 16:24 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: OFF: 10 Most hated > > > In a message dated 3/19/99 4:42:19 AM, Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM writes: > > <> > > ....a little TOO broad. > ....a little TOO reactionary > > >.lb > From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 19 12:32:40 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 12:32:40 EST Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated Message-ID: In a message dated 3/19/99 12:07:18 PM, Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM writes: <> sigh.... From mordru at FLITE.NET Fri Mar 19 12:53:09 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 12:53:09 -0500 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated Message-ID: >Lets see.. lots to consider here... > >Foreigner: They are mostly on my list because of two songs which just make >me want to blow up my radio. "Hot Blooded" and, worst of all, that "Juke Box >Hero" song... I think Albert once posted on here that after he heard "Juke Box Hero", he said that this was what "The Marshall Plan" could've sounded like if they'd done it right.... ah, that song never bothered me. I marginally prefer it to most of the others of that vein, including "Marshall Plan", "Shooting Star", etc. ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Mar 19 12:51:45 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 12:51:45 -0500 Subject: HW/OFF: Space news Message-ID: Hi there... I just thought I'd ask to see if anyone out there in boc-l land has any newsy bits to offer in the world of space rock & psychedelia. We're now doing news sections in our 'zine (Aural Innovations), and the next issue is coming out soon. Things like tour dates, new album releases, member changes and the like. I've got tourdates for Bevis Frond, Helios Creed (anyone know who's in the touring band?), Gong, Porcupine Tree, Bedouin...who else? I know both darXtar ('Tombola') and Pseudo Sun ('Atomic Dogs Don't Bark') have new albums in the works....any more details about when and where these might show up? (Is Juba still here?) You can send any submissions to henderson.120 at osu.edu if you don't want to clutter the list with off-topic info. We all know that never happens, right? :) Keith H. (FAA) P.S. Doug, did you catch the U. of Errors gig?? From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 19 13:07:37 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:07:37 GMT Subject: No subject Message-ID: I had a Weird tape go kaput recently. Fortunately this was replaced by the good folks at Wolden Studios - they still have 'em if you're looking for copies. This has forced me to conclude that it's time to back them up onto CD and so Jill and I have been perusing the tracklists of such. Since CD-R's come in 74 minutes and the more expensive 80 minutes this means that 5 CD's are needed for the 8/9 Weird tapes. It would also be sensible to collect tracks from the same gigs: Golden Void from Friends and Relations back with the Sonic Assassinstracks. Silver Machine/Welcome from Glastonbury Fayre to rejoin the Greasy Truckers tracks. Waiting For The Man from Corridor of Flame to the Roundhouse 77 tracks. The listings below are what Jill and I came up with. This would amount to 3 CDR80#s and two CDR74's. There's 13 minutes left on the 75-77 CD which would permit bringing a track in from each of the 3 CDR80's and making them all 74's but this would entail breaking up sensible collections of tracks. Going with this would mean room for maybe 3 more tracks on the 75-77 CD and one track on each of 70-73, 75-77 and Brock CD's. Suggestions of sensible choices from live tapes or other CD-R's would be welcome. Obviously quality of sound and the rarity of the track would matter. For example Time For Sale from a CD-R would be good on the 75-77 CD. Debate about the choice of which tracks for which discs also welcome. Also any suggestions or offers of artwork for the CD covers would be most welcome. When I do the actual work on the computer, I'll be happy to do the same for other list members. Note though that it's only legal to back up your Weird tapes if you actually own them. FoFP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CD1 HAWKLORDS --- ========= Hawklords Live 1978 W104 Death Trap) W104 Micro Man) segue 9 mins 50 (split 6.10+applause 3.40) W104 Spirit of the Age) W104 Urbane Guerilla) segue 14 mins 26 (split 9.10+applause 5.16) W104 Steppenwolf) W104 Free Fall) segue 22 mins 30 (split 8.50 5.20+applause) W104 Uncle Sam/Iron Dream) Hawklords Studio ?1978 W102 Valium 10 7 mins 50 W102 Douglas In The Jungle 6 mins 45 W102 Time of 5 mins 25 W105a Intro + Flying Doctor 6 mins 05 ---------- Total 72 mins 59 ========== -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CD2 EARLY YEARS 70-73 --- ================= (Greasy Truckers) W106 Born To Go) W106 Master of the Universe) segue 11 mins 58 (split 4.47) W106 Announcements 0 mins 40 W106 Jam 3 mins 17 + Silver Machine (Glastonbury) 4 mins 45 + Welcome (Glastonbury) 2 mins 33 (Text of Festival Tracks) W106 Hurry On Sundown 4 mins 42 W106 We Do It 10 mins 18 W108 Dreaming) W108 Shouldn't Do That) segue 12 mins 03 (split 5.09) (also) W108 Space Is Deep 8 mins 15 + applause W106 Make What You Can 6 mins 57 W106 Earth Calling 3 mins 20 W108 Live and Let Live 3 mins 53 W108 Etchanatay 3 mins 06 ---------- Total 75 mins 49 ========== -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CD3 Live '77 --- ======== Stonehenge W102 Quark Strangeness and Charm ) W102 Master of the Universe ) segue 9 mins 18 (split times 2.30 W102 The Future ) 4.40 2.04) W102 Spirit of the Age ) W102 Sonic Attack) segue 11 mins 00 (split times 5.40 5.20) W103 High Rise 5 mins 30 W103 Damnation Alley) W103 Uncle Sam/Iron Dream) segue 14 mins 15 (split times c.7.40 12.40) W103 Robot 7 mins 10 Sonic Assassins W101 Over the Top 7 mins 37 W101 Magnu/Angels of Death 5 mins W101 FreeFall 7 mins 35 W101 Death Trap 4 mins + Golden Void (F&R) 4 mins 33 ---------- Total 75 mins 59 ========== -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CD4 1975 - 1977 --- =========== 1975 (Watchfield) W103 Cake Out 4 mins 33 W103 Circles 4 mins 20 W103 Elements 4 mins 15 1976 W103 Slap It On De Table 0 mins 50 W105a Advert 1 min 20 W105a Paranoia 1 min 02 W105b Back on the Streets) W105b City of Lagoons) segue 8mins 50 (split 3.42) Roundhouse 1977 W105b Brainstorm) W105b Wind of Change) segue 11 mins 30 (split 7.17) W105b Assassins of Allah) W105b Forge of Vulcan) segue 9 mins 40 (split 7.15+applause) W105b Steppenwolf 9 mins 25 + Waiting for My Man (CoF) 5 mins 21 ---------- Total 61 mins 06 ========== -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CD5 Rockin With Brock --- ================= W108 Roll Em Pete) W108 Come On) segue 4 mins 45 (split 2.19) W108 Dealing With The Devil 2 mins 07 W108 Bring It On Home 3 mins 10 W108 Down On Her Knees 5 mins 41 W106 Came Home 2 mins 05 W107 Streets of Fear 4 mins 15 W107 1st Landing On Medusa 2 mins 56 W107 Touchdown 1 min 45 W107 Winter of Discontent 2 mins 20 W107 Choose Your Masks 5 mins 25 W107 Looking In The Future 3 mins 31 W107 Disintegration (not listed)) W107 Circles ) 7 mins 11 W101 Nuclear Toy 4 mins 15 W101 The War 4 mins 50 W101 The Dream) W101 Assassination) segue 4 mins 55 W101 The Dream2) W101 Satellite 2 mins 40 W107 Space Travellers 2 mins 31 W107 Speed of Light 5 mins 20 W107 Bombed Out 3 mins 51 W105 Where Are They Now 1 mins 55 ---------- Total 75 mins 28 ========== -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri Mar 19 13:21:59 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:21:59 +0000 Subject: TRAIN KEPT A' ROLLIN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 02:05 19/03/99 EST, you wrote: >i DO like stirrin shit up in a certain way, ask messrs. heller and >anderson...but tossing that out wasnt meant to be more than one more passing >bit of craziness. >AND I WARNED EVERYONE LOUDLY, DID I NOT? EVERYONE HAD THE OPTION TO NOT WATCH >IT. Except that I found the .avi in my attachments folder BEFORE I saw the mails, thought "Wonder what that is?" and played it. > >but if it's felt that i went too far, then my apologies to those who feel they >deserve one. no malice was intended. > I don't have a big hang-up about it, but I WAS shocked by what i saw (not having been forewarned), and was relieved that I didn't open it with my kids looking over my shoulder! ChrisW Free your mind & watch your ass! From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Fri Mar 19 13:26:07 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:26:07 -0800 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated Message-ID: > I think Albert once posted on here that after he heard "Juke > Box Hero", > he said that this was what "The Marshall Plan" could've sounded like > if they'd done it right.... > > ah, that song never bothered me. I marginally prefer it to most of > the others of that vein, including "Marshall Plan", "Shooting Star", > etc. Well, in this case, its not so much the subject but the actual song and the sound of the singer's voice. I don't care for Marshall Plan either but in its case, it *is* because I find the subject a little on the hokey side. JB From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Fri Mar 19 13:47:21 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:47:21 -0500 Subject: BOC: Band in Boston (BOC at the Middle East) Message-ID: Well, after getting home last night at about 2:30, and not being able to sleep, I ended up blowing off the morning to sleep, so pardon me if this review is a bit incoherent - and never again will I eat those chocolate snack cakes with the cream filling anymore after having a few beers (but that's another story...). BOC's triumphant return to Boston was a fantastic affair - and I hope they won't wait another 10 years before returning. The openers (Johnny Black Trio, The Outlets) were decent bands (note - as to the controversy Joe posted about the equipment, I suspect that it must be standard policy that their road crew was enforcing, and they got carried away with it - I feel bad for the Johnny Black Trio guys - I hope it does get brought to the band's attention so that they can perhaps keep situations like that from happening in the future), and got the crowd pumped. BOC hit the stage just after midnight and played: Burnin' For You Cities on Flame ETI Harvest Moon Buck's Boogie Take Me Away Flaming Telepaths See You in Black Astronomy ME-262 Godzilla Reaper Encore: The Red and the Black Curfew cut the setlist short by at least one or two songs (they were gearing up to play "In Thee" and suddenly Eric said "Hey Bobby, get back here!"). The band was awesome as usual. Allen in particular really shined last night - I think they had his keys and guitar mixed a little louder than normal - ah, but what the hell - it was great to have him back, and he seemed to really be enjoying it. Eric really sounded in fine form last night - very strong and looking ultra-cool. To anyone who has seen BOC over the past 5 years and expressed concern over Eric's voice, I'm here to say that he is once again in undisputably-fine form. Danny, Bobby, and Buck were of course superb, but I really noticed both Eric and Allen last night. It was great meeting a number of onliners - good to see Mark again, along with Rockman21, Joe Coughlin, KenVT, Joe Brown and Sadie ("Sexy Sadie" - happy birthday - loved your tattoo...). The highlight of the evening though was that I finally got to meet Buck in person. It was sort of interesting - Buck came out to sign autographs and chat, and I shook his hand and something like "Great to meet you Buck, I'm John Swartz". He kind of nodded and was moving on (lots of fans around for him to greet - understandably) - but he either didn't hear me or didn't initially make the connection. Half a minute later, Mark (SpectreRI) taps him on the shoulder, points me out, and says, "Buck, this is the FAQMAN" - Buck sort of stopped, his eyes got a bit wider than they were, and he takes my hand and says "John! How are you?" It was a very cool moment for me. A great night - wished I got to meet the rest of the guys (would've especially liked to have wished Danny a happy birthday - from one 35-year-old bass-player to another - o.k., so I mostly just pretend... maybe I should say one 35-year- old bass OWNER to another...). Again, let's make this a regular event guys, shall we? :-) John PS: Meltzer is a Dick... PPS to Adrian: I don't wearn horn-rims -- when I do wear glasses, they're wire -- John A. Swartz - The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA - jswartz at mitre.org "Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to Anger. Anger leads to Hate. Hate leads to SUFFERING." -- Yoda (Star Wars: Episode 1 - The Phantom Menace) From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Fri Mar 19 13:46:49 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:46:49 -0500 Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip In-Reply-To: <19c3859e.36f2751b@aol.com> from "DASLUD@AOL.COM" at Mar 19, 99 11:02:35 am Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: > > well, if you're standing over some beaten and cowering individual then > "throwing loads of abuse" is doubleplus uncool...THIS WAS UNDERSTOOD or so i > thought. > > there's a scene in an old marvel AVENGERS comic involving their hercules > character; > to paraphrase, he's lounging around headquarters when some enemy shows up and > knocks him across the room. hercules gets up w/a big smile on his face and > says "oho! you've come to share THE GIFT!" and proceeds to knock the other guy > across the room... > > but i dont think some folks here appreciate the exchange of "gifts" > here....beating people up suggests the other party is a helpless victim; to > hell with that>>>the "victim" is supposed to get up and fire back... Well, you're wrong if you think that I'm objecting to people debating each other. "Lively debate" was even written into the original BOC-L code of conduct (I know, because I wrote it). Go back to the web archives, and see if we ever drop our gloves around here. ;-) But this recent stuff isn't "debate" according to any definition that I know. Dog-piling onto bands that don't have any defenders is just silly. I finally got tired of the Styx gang-bang (participated in by people who have almost certainly only heard their radio hits), and decided to say something about it. But this isn't the list to be debating the merits of bands like Styx, Asia, or Rusted Root, who are so irrelevant to most of the readers. So I let the rest of it slide, because a *real* debate of those subject just doesn't belong here. Steve swann at plutonia.com From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Fri Mar 19 13:56:25 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:56:25 -0500 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated In-Reply-To: <199903191753.MAA11358@issfire1.co.palm-beach.fl.us> from "Andrew A. Apold" at Mar 19, 99 12:53:09 pm Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold writes: > > >Lets see.. lots to consider here... > > > >Foreigner: They are mostly on my list because of two songs which just make > >me want to blow up my radio. "Hot Blooded" and, worst of all, that "Juke Box > >Hero" song... > > I think Albert once posted on here that after he heard "Juke Box Hero", > he said that this was what "The Marshall Plan" could've sounded like > if they'd done it right.... You know, I don't remember that particular one, but I think it highlights some of what I meant earlier when I talked about how easy it is to slag bands that you think nobody else likes... and be totally wrong and insulting toward other lists members while you're at it. Jeez, nobody has slagged the Beach Boys yet. Don't you all want to be the first to insult Buck's musical taste? ;-) Steve swann at plutonia.com From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Fri Mar 19 14:10:14 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:10:14 -0800 Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip Message-ID: >But this isn't the list to be > debating the merits of bands like Styx, Asia, or Rusted Root, who are > so irrelevant to most of the readers. So I let the rest of it slide, > because a *real* debate of those subject just doesn't belong here. Point taken. I actually have been trying to tone it down some. Its just that sometimes I see things that I just can't resist. I have somewhat unusual ideas about things which seems to ignite others and thus an off-topic thread is born. I'll try & be good... :) JB From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Fri Mar 19 14:15:59 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:15:59 -0800 Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip Message-ID: >I finally got tired of the Styx gang-bang (participated in by >people who have almost certainly only heard their radio hits) And so now we've come full circle. I believe this entire thing started over a post in which I suggested that BOC's radio hits (Godzilla in particular) had, in some respects, hurt the band. JB From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Fri Mar 19 14:29:08 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:29:08 -0800 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated Message-ID: > You know, I don't remember that particular one, but I think it > highlights some of what I meant earlier when I talked about how easy > it is to slag bands that you think nobody else likes... and be totally > wrong and insulting toward other lists members while you're at it. > > Jeez, nobody has slagged the Beach Boys yet. Don't you all want to be > the first to insult Buck's musical taste? ;-) Me! I will! I hate(am annoyed by) the Beachboys, always have. Does that mean I like Buck's music any less? No. Does it even mean I think Buck has poor taste? No. Does it mean that Buck's taste doesn't match mine and I find the differences interesting because I enjoy his own music so much? Yes. When I voice my likes and dislikes, it only mean it as a means of drawing out conversation, not as an insult to anyone who disagrees with me. JB From mwood at MY-DEJANEWS.COM Fri Mar 19 14:35:01 1999 From: mwood at MY-DEJANEWS.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:35:01 -0800 Subject: HW: The Elf & the Hawk Message-ID: I'm not gonna slag this CD. And I didn't attach a sound file of "Ghost Dance." Sorry to disappoint. Anyway, the _Elf & the Hawk_ contains almost all of Hawkfan 12. A track called "The Competition" is omitted. Anyone familiar with it? (Dumb question.) Am I missing something remarkable? Incidentally, I got this from New Sonic Architecture (http://www.sonarc.net) for US$17. Best price I could find. MWood NP: _Made in Germany_ - Amon Duul II -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Mar 19 14:46:55 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:46:55 -0500 Subject: HW: The Elf & the Hawk Message-ID: Marshall said... >Anyway, the _Elf & the Hawk_ contains almost all of Hawkfan 12. A track called >"The Competition" is omitted. Anyone familiar with it? (Dumb question.) Am I >missing something remarkable? Well, no, not really. It's not really a 'track' though it includes some live Hawkwind music. It was Brian Tawn's audio competition (as the name implies) for that particular issue, with prize(s) awarded. (Just like the Xword puzzle to win prizes in the last issue of AI, of which you (Marshall) were one of the winners.) There were four of five snippets of 'linking' music from Hawkwind concerts, and the entrants were to determine what song the band eventually segued into. I didn't get my cassette copy of HF12 until a few years later, so I never entered. Not that I knew what they all were. Of course, the disadvantage of not seeing them play live at this time meant that it was extremely difficult anyhoo. Just for trivial sake, what were they now? >Incidentally, I got this from New Sonic Architecture (http://www.sonarc.net) for >US$17. Best price I could find. > >NP: _Made in Germany_ - Amon Duul II Cool...Phallus Dei was the first ADII LP I bought, but it was really MiG that led to my eventual pedestallization of this band. (Wolf City is the best, though IMHO.) Of course, that was the old single disc MiG version. So, one question...do you have the Repertoire double CD version? If not, get it....some of the best stuff from this album was left off the crappy single CD/LP version. Tragic mistake. From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Mar 19 14:59:15 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:59:15 -0600 Subject: OFF: Oh chill puhlease, he said he was sorry... Message-ID: >I'm the guy who manages the servers at SPC (and gets to decide what is and isn't allowed). Imagine my surprise when I found several hundred error mes- sages in my mailbox, all larger than a megabyte in size. Then, when I started investigating, I found other parts of the SPC mail system clogged up due to sites that won't receive messages that large. And then I discovered that the BOC-L moderator's mailbox was full due to all of this. Then I started getting error messages about error messages... >WE ARE NOT AMUSED Gee a college campus must be a real stressful place to be these days. I'll probably get booted for this but uh server dude, I don't think the guy was completely aware of the ramifications of sending a large attachment thru the e-mail. Whenever this happens I get code dumps while others actually receive the attachment. Don't know why and don't care. As far as I can tell the matter has been self policed and every thing is like...you know...kewl now. So lighten up baby and join us down here in the mud as we spend all of our time fragging lame bands (or at least our perception of lame bands). Ghost in the Ruins... ...who has decided to mellow out somewhat to the excellent music of Gary Hoey, heck I'm listening to all of them today. From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Mar 19 15:12:10 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 12:12:10 -0800 Subject: Malcolm and Daevid in SF (was HW/OFF: Space news) Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Mar 1999 12:51:45 -0500, Keith Henderson wrote: >P.S. Doug, did you catch the U. of Errors gig?? A fantastic show! On the bill: Malcolm Mooney (Can) with Tenth Planet (former? members of Pluto) Daevid Allen (Gong) with University of Errors (members of Mushroom) I'd seen Malcolm backed by a similar group of people on a couple occasions a few years back, and always been highly satisfied with the mix of Mooney's high-energy poetic delivery, excellent improv music, and fine reinterpretations of early Can songs. This time, the six-piece lineup consisted of two drummers (one of each gender, with each kit panned hard left/right in the PA for an interesting sound), bass, lead guitar (who sounded EXACTLY like Michael Karoli in spots - amazing!), rhythm guitar/keyboard, and sampler/synth/sax/theremin. The new songs they played sounded very together (more so than on previous occasions, when they sometimes sounded more like poetic recitation over noodling), and the versions of "Mary Mary", "Outside My Door" and "Father Cannot Yell" were outstanding. They played off each other really well, and the band overall had an excellent sense of dynamics. Mooney, while not a riveting stage presence per se, has an amazingly unique delivery style (that makes me think somewhat of Bob Calvert) - he can really spit it out; I was mesmerized. The University of Errors obviously hadn't been doing this for as long as Tenth Planet (as I alluded earlier, members of that band have backed Malcolm Mooney on numerous occasions over the last 5 years), but were still a great band for Daevid. A guitarist, bassist and drummer played through the entire show, and were joined for most of it by a guy playing guitar/gtr synth, and part of the time by a sax/banjo/guitar player. The show started with the aforementioned instrumental trio jamming on some heavy riffs, before Daevid came out (glissando guitar and speculum in hand, of course) and launched into one near-angry rant of a tune! I have to admit that I'm not real familiar with Daevid's solo work (I think 'Bananamoon' and 'Who's Afraid' are the only albums I have), so I didn't really recognize any songs this time through, but many were pretty damn memorable. One excellent near-acoustic song (the one featuring banjo) about a "bad teacher" was particularly excellent. And on the more electrified songs, the contrast between the lead guitar (SG through Mesa/Boogie amp - loud and raunchy!) and the guitar synthesizer tones was quite notable and appropriate. No real Gong oldies in this show (except for the encore from 'Camenbert Electrique'), but that's what the full-band reunions a couple years back were for! Daevid's different bands/projects have always covered a broad spectrum of music, and it was great to see him perform in a context of mostly high-energy rock with some nice jazz/prog/space influences thrown in. With Plastic People of the Universe (Czech republic) and eX-Girl (Japan) last week (Daevid & the University performed some sort of invocation for eX-Girl from planet Kero! during their set), and lowdown raunchy rhythm-and-blues genius Andre Williams tonight, it's been a great couple weeks for live music in the Bay Area! -Doug ceres at sirius.com From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Fri Mar 19 15:26:56 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:26:56 -0500 Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip In-Reply-To: <6D986111E966D211A65E00A0C96E961108FAEF@C2> from "Joseph Brooks" at Mar 19, 99 11:15:59 am Message-ID: Joseph Brooks writes: > > >I finally got tired of the Styx gang-bang (participated in by > >people who have almost certainly only heard their radio hits) > > And so now we've come full circle. I believe this entire thing started over > a post in which I suggested that BOC's radio hits (Godzilla in particular) > had, in some respects, hurt the band. Yeah, they do sometimes, don't they? Especially those sort of gimmicky hits, that people either love or hate. And too often, for better or worse, that's what people will remember you for. Remember Hawkwind "blowing up" the Silver Machine? (Which is unfortunate, because that was shaping up to be one of the best versions ever). :-) Steve swann at plutonia.com From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Mar 19 15:32:51 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:32:51 EST Subject: OFF: [Fwd: Music of the Millennium] Message-ID: In a message dated 99-03-19 09:17:56 EST, you write: << Is that the band that Nick Cave came from? Steve swann at plutonia.com >> ---No. Nick Cave and the...Bad Seeds?? Something like that... I'm sure someone here's writing up an answer to this question already. I predict that all Cave fans will respond, and well as those who dislike Cave, and it'll be a standing thread for perhaps as long as a week...meanwhile, the awesome (and finished??) Tea Party will be ignored again... Chuck From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Fri Mar 19 15:43:22 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:43:22 -0500 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated In-Reply-To: <6D986111E966D211A65E00A0C96E961108FAF0@C2> from "Joseph Brooks" at Mar 19, 99 11:29:08 am Message-ID: Joseph Brooks writes: > > > You know, I don't remember that particular one, but I think it > > highlights some of what I meant earlier when I talked about how easy > > it is to slag bands that you think nobody else likes... and be totally > > wrong and insulting toward other lists members while you're at it. > > > > Jeez, nobody has slagged the Beach Boys yet. Don't you all want to be > > the first to insult Buck's musical taste? ;-) > > Me! I will! I hate(am annoyed by) the Beachboys, always have. Does that mean > I like Buck's music any less? No. Does it even mean I think Buck has poor > taste? No. Does it mean that Buck's taste doesn't match mine and I find the > differences interesting because I enjoy his own music so much? Yes. Do you like "Golden Age of Leather"? ;-) > When I voice my likes and dislikes, it only mean it as a means of drawing > out conversation, not as an insult to anyone who disagrees with me. All I'm proposing is that we not slag subjects who ought not be discussed here. None of us wants this list to be cluttered with "defense of X" where X is every band that some list member doesn't deserve to be slagged. And I equally think that it's unreasonable to say obnoxious things about those bands, knowing that no one will defend them, because defending them would be a misuse of the list. Steve swann at plutonia.com From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Mar 19 15:55:59 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:55:59 -0000 Subject: OFF: [Fwd: Music of the Millennium] In-Reply-To: <7a8d70de.36f2b473@aol.com> Message-ID: > ---No. Nick Cave and the...Bad Seeds?? The band he was thinking of was The Birthday Party (as opposed to The Tea Party). - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Mar 19 15:56:02 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:56:02 -0000 Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip In-Reply-To: <199903192026.PAA25696@imperatrix.plutonia.com> Message-ID: > Yeah, they do sometimes, don't they? Especially those sort of > gimmicky hits, that people either love or hate. And too often, for > better or worse, that's what people will remember you for. Remember > Hawkwind "blowing up" the Silver Machine? (Which is unfortunate, > because that was shaping up to be one of the best versions ever). :-) Turned into a bloody good "Levitation" on that tour, as it goes... :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Fri Mar 19 16:04:26 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:04:26 -0800 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated Message-ID: > Do you like "Golden Age of Leather"? ;-) Not one of my favorites but, yes, I like it. And yes, I know about the similarity. Not relevant to my way of thinking. A borrowed riff doesn't make the two bands the same. To paraphrase BOC, "I don't wanna play surf music, I wanna play HEAVY music" (sheepish grin). > > All I'm proposing is that we not slag subjects who ought not be > discussed here. None of us wants this list to be cluttered with > "defense of X" where X is every band that some list member doesn't > deserve to be slagged. And I equally think that it's unreasonable to > say obnoxious things about those bands, knowing that no one will > defend them, because defending them would be a misuse of the list. As I said in another message, I do see your point and will try to at least make an effort to stay on topic. :)I still have to add though that I never made lame general comments like: "Boston? They SUCK!" Well, not much anyway... JB From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Fri Mar 19 16:19:50 1999 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:19:50 -0700 Subject: The Weird CD-Rs In-Reply-To: <199903191807.SAA03542@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: A fantastic idea! > Waiting For The Man from Corridor of Flame to the Roundhouse 77 tracks. I would suggest adding also "Time For Sale" from either the 1st edition of Corridor Of Flame or Atomhenge '76. > The listings below are what Jill and I came up with. This would amount > to 3 CDR80#s and two CDR74's. > > There's 13 minutes left on the 75-77 CD which would permit bringing > a track in from each of the 3 CDR80's and making them all 74's but this > would entail breaking up sensible collections of tracks. > > Going with this would mean room for maybe 3 more tracks on the 75-77 > CD and one track on each of 70-73, 75-77 and Brock CD's. Suggestions of > sensible choices from live tapes or other CD-R's would be welcome. > Obviously quality of sound and the rarity of the track would matter. For > example Time For Sale from a CD-R would be good on the 75-77 CD. Actually all you need is 5 "74" min CD-Rs, as I've been able to record up to 76 min 30 sec on blanks (from various manufacturers - I've tried it on Kodak, Memorex and Mitsui). > Debate about the choice of which tracks for which discs also welcome. > > Also any suggestions or offers of artwork for the CD covers would be > most welcome. > > When I do the actual work on the computer, I'll be happy to do the same > for other list members. Note though that it's only legal to back up your > Weird tapes if you actually own them. > > FoFP > ------------------------------------------------------------------ Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Fri Mar 19 16:19:24 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 16:19:24 -0500 Subject: OFF: [Fwd: Music of the Millennium] In-Reply-To: <000001be724a$e46f5340$cb2e63c3@default> from "Andy Gilham" at Mar 19, 99 08:55:59 pm Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > > > ---No. Nick Cave and the...Bad Seeds?? > > The band he was thinking of was The Birthday Party (as opposed to The Tea > Party). Whoops! Indeed he was. Though now that I've got my brain cranked up and running (damn thing starts harder every year), I do believe I saw a *video* of the Tea Party years and years ago, that somebody recorded for me off MuchMusic (Canada's MTV). As I recall, the video was pretty cool, with lots of really lavish, Byzantine imagery. I remember thinking that I needed to find out more about those guys, but of course, that was the last I ever heard of them... Steve swann at plutonia.com From mwood at MY-DEJANEWS.COM Fri Mar 19 16:19:45 1999 From: mwood at MY-DEJANEWS.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:19:45 -0800 Subject: HW: The Elf & the Hawk Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:46:55 Keith Henderson wrote: >>"The Competition" >Well, no, not really. It's not really a 'track' though it includes some >live Hawkwind music. It was Brian Tawn's audio competition (as the name >implies) for that particular issue, with prize(s) awarded. Hmmm. Thanks for the info, Keith. Does Alan Davey sing on any of his solo stuff? I've only got _Captured Rotation_ (w/Ron Tree on vox) and now TE&tH, where all Davey's tracks are instrumentals (I think). I think he's got a good space rock voice (I love "The Right Stuff" off of _The Business Trip_, and many others he's sung on) - why doesn't he use it now? >(Just like the >Xword puzzle to win prizes in the last issue of AI, of which you (Marshall) >were one of the winners.) Yeah, I received my complimentary National Steam CD yesterday! So now I've got an extra! :-) Anyone wanna trade? This is a good bit of space rock by the guys from Quarkspace. >>NP: _Made in Germany_ - Amon Duul II >Cool...Phallus Dei was the first ADII LP I bought, but it was really MiG >that led to my eventual pedestallization of this band. Yeah, after the net reviews I read of MiG, I was expecting something dire, but it's pretty good. >Of course, that was the old single disc MiG version. >So, one question...do you have the Repertoire double CD version? If not, >get it....some of the best stuff from this album was left off the crappy >single CD/LP version. Tragic mistake. Yep, I snatched up the Repertoire version for an unbelievable US$10 (new) last week. The abridged version evidently omitted "Wilhelm Wilhelm" - one of the best tracks of the entire set, methinks. MWood NP: Alphataurus - s/t -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Mar 19 16:34:38 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:34:38 -0800 Subject: OFF; 10 most hated/Cobain/Tea Party Message-ID: Bands I dislike (since we are debating the merits of the word hate) 70's bands - Any band with long hair, wearing spandex/leather/makeup, excessive posing and doesn't go by the name of Kiss 80's bands - Any band with long hair, wearing spandex/leather/makeup, excessive posing on MTV and dosen't go by the name of Y&T 90 bands - Any band that complains/whines/ knows only two chords (and considers their music metal) or uses lots of accoustic guitars as if they were a 60's folks act, and is adored by anyone under the age of 17unless there name is Stone Temple Pilots (sorry I like these wankers). Did I leave anyone out? >Yeah, money isn't everything and is the curse of the world besides. Intellectually I grasp Cobain's problem, but I'll *never* be able to _understand_ it. It's just too alien. So I resign myself to being annoyed at someone who is rich enough to do whatever they want for their whole life and their kids after, and then tops themself. I tend to agree, hard to sympathize but Cobain had lots of issues to deal with. Some of his songs were actually quite good when I could understand him. That wasn't often however. >I hated Transmission. Nothing like Edges or Summer Solis, a complete sell- out and waste of talent. I'm praying that they come back w/something more like their original sound. If they could pull off at least just one more album in that style, I'd probably die of happiness, 'cause I've gotten a lot of milage out of those two albums (and "Alhambra", though I still haven't found the disc). Chuck I've heard some of their work, a little from each album and liked it quite a bit. Strong similarities to Queensryche (vocally with the songs I've heard). Not a bad group. >Is this awesome shit or what?? Definitely very not bad however I did feel that way upon first listen to Shadow Gallery's new one Tyranny. Don't know if your familiar with them and can't say liking Tea Party means anything but this (Shadow Gallery) is an excellent Prog Rock band. Great Vox on the new one. L8er Ghost in the Ruins NP: Gary Hoey - Animal Instinct From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Mar 19 16:43:31 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:43:31 -0000 Subject: HW: The Elf & the Hawk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Does Alan Davey sing on any of his solo stuff? He does on _Bedouin_. And he does on stage, too, of course. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Fri Mar 19 18:40:05 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:40:05 -0500 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated In-Reply-To: <6D986111E966D211A65E00A0C96E961108FAF1@C2> from "Joseph Brooks" at Mar 19, 99 01:04:26 pm Message-ID: Joseph Brooks writes: I wrote: > > All I'm proposing is that we not slag subjects who ought not be > > discussed here. None of us wants this list to be cluttered with > > "defense of X" where X is every band that some list member doesn't > > deserve to be slagged. And I equally think that it's unreasonable to > > say obnoxious things about those bands, knowing that no one will > > defend them, because defending them would be a misuse of the list. > > As I said in another message, I do see your point and will try to at least > make an effort to stay on topic. :)I still have to add though that I never > made lame general comments like: "Boston? They SUCK!" Well, not much > anyway... Can't ask for more than that. Actually, I just caught myself not 5 minutes ago, about to make a really backhanded comment about Queensryche, so I suppose I better reign in this debate before I lose my tenuous hold on the high moral ground. ;-) Steve swann at plutonia.com From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Fri Mar 19 18:58:01 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:58:01 -0800 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated Message-ID: LOL, go for it. I happen to like them. At least, I think their singer is excellent and think that "Operation: Mind Crime" is a near classic. I haven't been thrilled with what they've done since then though. Thats the problem with higher ground.. just gives you farther to fall. Anyway, I'm off work in 5 min. so you all get a rest from me till monday.. enjoy it while you can :) Have a rockin' good weekend everyone! JB > > Actually, I just caught myself not 5 minutes ago, about to make a > really backhanded comment about Queensryche, so I suppose I better > reign in this debate before I lose my tenuous hold on the high moral > ground. ;-) > > Steve > swann at plutonia.com > From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Fri Mar 19 19:31:45 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:31:45 -0600 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > > In a message dated 3/19/99 5:58:15 AM, cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK writes: > > < songs :) > >> > > i think cobain had a paticular vein to mine, and it was probably > FINITE...however much regard cobain deserves, it was DAVE GROHL who made > nirvana platinum as much as, or moreso, than cobain > > >>lb Care to elaborate? I think Kurt wrote most of Insecticide, and Kurt and Chris Novaselic wrote most of In Utero, I didn't think Dave Grohl was a big song writing contributor to Nirvana. I could see that statement turned around, being in Nirvana probably gave Dave Grohl's Foo Fighters a huge perferbial (spelling?) kick in the ass for their popularity. I don't know if im as sure as you are that Kurt's vein had come dry, I mean In Utero (their last) was a terrific album. Laj. From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Mar 19 19:22:50 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 00:22:50 +0000 Subject: Malcolm and Daevid in SF (was HW/OFF: Space news) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990319121210.008627c0@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: >rhythm-and-blues genius Andre Williams tonight, it's been a great couple >weeks for live music in the Bay Area! i as turning a subtle shade of green reading yr review of the other stuff especially as its been about 5 yrs since i last saw daevid, but: ANDRE WILLIAMS!!!!! C'mon Doug, let us now what THE master of the Baconfativerse is like these days! Please pass the biscuits! andrew "Who's the commanding officer here?" "Ain't you?" - Apocalypse Now From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Fri Mar 19 19:41:40 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:41:40 -0600 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated Message-ID: " > I think Albert once posted on here that after he heard "Juke Box Hero", > he said that this was what "The Marshall Plan" could've sounded like > if they'd done it right.... Then I for one am glad they screwed it up :-). I think MP is a great tune, B?C doesn't have to be mysterious and foreboding all the time, just most of it :-). > ah, that song never bothered me. I marginally prefer it to most of > the others of that vein, including "Marshall Plan", "Shooting Star", > etc. > ============================================ > "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random > > Andrew Apold "Shooting Shark" is a beautifully written song, great lyrics, GREAT guitar work, for a Cult band B?C has one of the greatest pop artists I have ever heard in one Buck Dharma. I think you could easily compare "Shooting Shark" to songs like "I Love the Night", "Deadline",the entire Flat Out Album, and most definitely "Harvest Moon" from HF, and a few more that escape my mind right now :-). Laj. From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Fri Mar 19 19:36:05 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:36:05 -0500 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated In-Reply-To: <36F2EC71.EE3E78AE@dlcwest.com> from "Laj Waldner" at Mar 19, 99 06:31:45 pm Message-ID: Laj Waldner writes: > > DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > > > > In a message dated 3/19/99 5:58:15 AM, cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK writes: > > > > < > songs :) > > >> > > > > i think cobain had a paticular vein to mine, and it was probably > > FINITE...however much regard cobain deserves, it was DAVE GROHL who made > > nirvana platinum as much as, or moreso, than cobain > > > > >>lb > > Care to elaborate? > I think Kurt wrote most of Insecticide, and Kurt and Chris > Novaselic wrote most of In Utero, I didn't think Dave Grohl was a big > song writing contributor to Nirvana. I could see that statement turned > around, being in Nirvana probably gave Dave Grohl's Foo Fighters a huge > perferbial (spelling?) kick in the ass for their popularity. I don't > know if im as sure as you are that Kurt's vein had come dry, I mean In > Utero (their last) was a terrific album. The common wisdom on the old GRUNGE-L (the greatest mailing list I've ever been on) was that Grohl was the "serious musician" in the band. Despite Cobain being the obvious "vision and voice" of the band, there were a lot who felt that Grohl's seriousness and professionalism were held the band together. That said, I don't an album by The Dave Grohl Band would have changed my life in 1990, like _Nevermind_ did. Steve swann at plutonia.com From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Fri Mar 19 19:48:48 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:48:48 -0600 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated Message-ID: Stephen Swann wrote: > > Andrew A. Apold writes: > > > > >Lets see.. lots to consider here... > > > > > >Foreigner: They are mostly on my list because of two songs which just make > > >me want to blow up my radio. "Hot Blooded" and, worst of all, that "Juke Box > > >Hero" song... > > > > I think Albert once posted on here that after he heard "Juke Box Hero", > > he said that this was what "The Marshall Plan" could've sounded like > > if they'd done it right.... > > You know, I don't remember that particular one, but I think it > highlights some of what I meant earlier when I talked about how easy > it is to slag bands that you think nobody else likes... and be totally > wrong and insulting toward other lists members while you're at it. > > Jeez, nobody has slagged the Beach Boys yet. Don't you all want to be > the first to insult Buck's musical taste? ;-) > > Steve > swann at plutonia.com How's about Public Enemy, back on the Rick Dee's show in 92'(?) he told Rick he liked them, I can just picture Buck, Flava Flave (spelling?) album now. Buck with his gold suit, and Flave with his gold teeth :-). Laj. From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Fri Mar 19 19:54:19 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:54:19 -0600 Subject: OFF: Don't throw Styx Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > > In a message dated 3/19/99 1:00:52 AM, erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM writes: > > < >> > > a worthy choice....how bout those wacky millionaire harvard graduates RAGE > AGAINST THE MACHINE? > > lb Your gona probably have a good laugh, but, I actually own both Rage albums. I really don't mind most of those albums musically, they come up with some of the most interesting riff's, and great progressions in a lot of those songs! Alas I can't stand "angry" rap metal, so I usually never listen to either album. But I can't get over how cool they are musically, kinda tragic if ya think about it. Laj. From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Fri Mar 19 20:03:17 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:03:17 -0600 Subject: OFF; 10 most hated/Cobain/Tea Party Message-ID: "BREVARD, Adrian R." wrote: > > Bands I dislike (since we are debating the merits of the word hate) > > 90 bands - > Any band that complains/whines/ knows only two chords (and considers their > music metal) or uses lots of accoustic guitars as if they were a 60's folks > act, and is adored by anyone under the age of 17unless there name is Stone > Temple Pilots (sorry I like these wankers). > Ya hit the nail SQUARE on the ol' head, that statement pretty much captures 90% of most acts debuting from 1990 til' present. Though I would have to recommend the bottom four to anybody: 1. Green Day 2. Our Lady Peace 3. The Tragically Hip 4. Stone Temple Pilots (these guys DO rock!) Laj. From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Fri Mar 19 21:07:44 1999 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Patrick Cordiner) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:07:44 +1000 Subject: HW:BOTF Message-ID: I don't know the etiquette for this but I am really interested in hearing any of the Hawkwind concerts based around Business of the Future (or that general era). Unfortunately, living in Oz means that I have nothing to swap (and I don't know if I'm allowed to ask for copies of bootlegs in the first place). Anyone care to help me out?? -Patrick From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 19 21:30:43 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:30:43 EST Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated Message-ID: In a message dated 3/19/99 6:41:14 PM, swann at PLUTONIA.COM writes: <> tonight my hold on ANY kinda ground could be charitably described as "tenuous", gang.... when/if i feel up to it, much later, i'll do a little essay on the 2 debut albums from 1976 which went on to shatter then-contemporary paradigms regarding rock music/its composition/its presentation/its recording....one went one way, one went t'other way, and their repurcussions lasted for decades...only receding in the sense that rock music has become virtually meaningless. lb From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Fri Mar 19 21:46:23 1999 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:46:23 -0700 Subject: BOTF In-Reply-To: <199903200219.MAA10689@yowie.cc.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: Of course the best "legal" way is to buy "The Business Trip." Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu > I don't know the etiquette for this but I am really interested in hearing > any of the Hawkwind concerts based around Business of the Future (or that > general era). Unfortunately, living in Oz means that I have > nothing to swap > (and I don't know if I'm allowed to ask for copies of bootlegs in > the first > place). Anyone care to help me out?? > > -Patrick > From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 19 22:02:30 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 22:02:30 EST Subject: OFF: Don't throw Styx Message-ID: In a message dated 3/19/99 7:49:22 PM, erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM writes: <> actually i said positive things about them in print once, then i heard the lp w/"f**k you, i wont do what you tell me", whatever, and i thought about reading an interview w/their harvard grad guitarist(all but one of 'em are harvard grads) wherein he said something like "every unit sold equals a convert" >>AS IF<< i concluded there was something kinda screwy about a buncha harvard grads making major-label millions selling statements like "f**k you, i wont do what you tell me"...and we'll see how these fellas are when they're in their '50s and '60s, negotiating with their attorneys and accountants, while the oppressed and beaten-down REMAIN oppressed and beaten-down. like i said, we'll see. lb ps>>f**k you, i wont do what you tell me. like i had to go to college for THAT.... From mordru at FLITE.NET Fri Mar 19 22:23:44 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 22:23:44 -0500 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated In-Reply-To: <36F2EEC4.4A74A247@dlcwest.com> Message-ID: >> ah, that song never bothered me. I marginally prefer it to most of >> the others of that vein, including "Marshall Plan", "Shooting Star", >> etc. >"Shooting Shark" is a beautifully written song, great lyrics, GREAT >guitar work, for a Cult band B?C has one of the greatest pop artists I >have ever heard in one Buck Dharma. I think you could easily compare >"Shooting Shark" to songs like "I Love the Night", "Deadline",the entire >Flat Out Album, and most definitely "Harvest Moon" from HF, and a few >more that escape my mind right now :-). I don't mind Shooting Shark at all. But I was talking about songs of the "kid discovers guitar, becomes hero and (maybe) dies" variety, and referring to Bad Company's "Shooting Star", not BOC's "Shooting Shark". ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Mar 19 23:14:15 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:14:15 -0500 Subject: TRAIN KEPT A' ROLLIN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Mar 1999 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: =>i DO like stirrin shit up in a certain way, ask messrs. heller and =>anderson...but tossing that out wasnt meant to be more than one more passing =>bit of craziness. =>AND I WARNED EVERYONE LOUDLY, DID I NOT? EVERYONE HAD THE OPTION TO NOT WATCH =>IT. I did not receive your "gift" :-) to BOC-L, because I've programmed my mail server software to reject any incoming mail over ~1MB in size. However, I think it's a trifle disingenuous to say you "warned everyone loudly" not to view it. Such vague "warnings" actually seem to be veiled incitements to view in my experience (at least from Usenet)---a sort of subliminal "go on, I dare you..." I'm just speaking for myself, but personally, I'd prefer an AVI description of a hypothetical "dubious" file to be more along the lines of "closeup of sharp spike being driven slowly into man's eye before being crushed by a falling grand piano," than "YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED." I think the former lets me know better whether I want to view the unknown attachment than the latter. :-) Keep up the good work! Cheers, Paul. NP: Various, _Open Air Burg Herzberg: Wir sind Kinder der Revolte, Vol. 1_ PS: I still have no clue as to what your AVI file was about. :-) From dellison at POP.DN.NET Fri Mar 19 23:23:11 1999 From: dellison at POP.DN.NET (Dave Ellison) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:23:11 -0500 Subject: QS&C Question Message-ID: I am about to order IYA from CDNow, and want to pick up a copy of QS&C (had one, but the CD player it was in got stolen). They have not one, but 3 QS&C listings, all put out by Griffin/GOPACO. One is 9.49, another 11.49, and the last is $24.49. I figure the last is some boxed set special-thingy, but can't figure out the first two. Any ideas? Thanks Yawl From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Fri Mar 19 23:26:55 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:26:55 -0500 Subject: OFF; 10 most hated/Cobain/Tea Party In-Reply-To: <36F2F3D5.72D2EE20@dlcwest.com> from "Laj Waldner" at Mar 19, 99 07:03:17 pm Message-ID: Laj Waldner writes: > > Though I would have to recommend the bottom four to anybody: > 1. Green Day > 2. Our Lady Peace > 3. The Tragically Hip > 4. Stone Temple Pilots (these guys DO rock!) Laj, I have to commend you on your taste in recommending The Hip, but... they didn't debut in the 90's. :-) Steve swann at plutonia.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 19 23:26:05 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:26:05 EST Subject: TRAIN KEPT A' ROLLIN Message-ID: In a message dated 3/19/99 11:16:52 PM, paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU writes: <> i sowwy. so sowwy ohhhh oh-oh oh-oh... lb From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Fri Mar 19 23:23:44 1999 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Patrick Cordiner) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:23:44 +1000 Subject: BOTF Message-ID: ---------- > From: Kevin Sommers > Date: Saturday, March 20, 1999 12:46 PM > > Of course the best "legal" way is to buy "The Business Trip." > Yeah, I've got the Business Trip, but I was more interested in hearing stuff like `Tibet is not China' etc. in concert and have seen a couple of items in the discography that have it. By `legal' I assume that asking for copies of concerts is not the done thing? (Yes I know about bootlegs taking away royalties from the artists, etc. but then how come so many HW bootlegs exists?) -Patrick From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Fri Mar 19 23:26:43 1999 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Patrick Cordiner) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:26:43 +1000 Subject: TRAIN KEPT A' ROLLIN Message-ID: From: Paul Mather > Date: Saturday, March 20, 1999 2:14 PM > PS: I still have no clue as to what your AVI file was about. :-) Just be glad you didn't receive it. -Patrick From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Mar 19 23:38:56 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:38:56 -0500 Subject: OFF: hippy cockroach In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, andrew wrote: =>this gave me a few laughs when read on the bomp list: =>>Cryptocercus garciai n.sp. =>>Etymology: This species is named in memory of the late Jerry Garcia, a =>>member of the musical group, The Grateful Dead. What a long strange trip its =>>been. =>A bit of digging around later I also came across a few other scientific =>names which honour other cool (and not so cool) 20th Century musicians: [...] There is an asteroid officially named after Frank Zappa... Cheers, Paul. From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 19 21:43:42 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:43:42 EST Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated/grohl/nirvana Message-ID: In a message dated 3/19/99 7:27:03 PM, erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM writes: <> dave grohl was a songwriting drummer/musician... i'm not saying, remotely, that he should be credited w/cobain's songs or anything absurd...but just having that "internal song sense" he provided MAXIMUM COMPLEMENT for cobain....do you see what i'm saying? he made those songs and that band the best it could possibly have been. obviously the songs were cobain's, and with the presence of grohl they were "realized" all the way to platinum. do i think nirvana would have gone platinum without grohl? no, i don't. do i think grohl would have gone platinum without having been in nirvana? no, i dont. lb From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Fri Mar 19 23:54:20 1999 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:54:20 -0700 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990319222344.00a0ed40@flite.net> Message-ID: > I don't mind Shooting Shark at all. But I was talking about songs of > the "kid discovers guitar, becomes hero and (maybe) dies" variety, and > referring to Bad Company's "Shooting Star", not BOC's "Shooting Shark". > > Andrew Apold Then there's the "kid discovers guitar in cave, kept from becoming hero by the Priests" on 2112, but this would only reheat the now fairly cooled-off anti-Rush discussions..... Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Sat Mar 20 00:09:49 1999 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 22:09:49 -0700 Subject: BOTF In-Reply-To: <199903200435.OAA22096@yowie.cc.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: > > From: Kevin Sommers > > Date: Saturday, March 20, 1999 12:46 PM > > > > Of course the best "legal" way is to buy "The Business Trip." > > > > Yeah, I've got the Business Trip, but I was more interested in hearing > stuff like `Tibet is not China' etc. in concert and have seen a couple of > items in the discography that have it. By `legal' I assume that asking for > copies of concerts is not the done thing? (Yes I know about > bootlegs taking > away royalties from the artists, etc. but then how come so many > HW bootlegs > exists?) > > -Patrick "Legal" is just a term I threw out; everyone has their own opinion of trading tapes, although I believe that most are in agreement that it's OK (it gets trickier when there's nothing to trade, but some will do it for blank tapes). I don't believe that there are any concerts in that era in which they did any more of the techno/ambient spacey-floaty "Tibet Is Not China" sort of stuff than they've always done. The closest they've come, I think, was the 9/5/83 Milnton Keyes Woughton Centre "Electronica" show, sometimes listed as Uncle Nik & the E.T.s. Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Sat Mar 20 00:45:52 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 00:45:52 -0500 Subject: TRAIN KEPT A' ROLLIN In-Reply-To: <199903200438.OAA11670@yowie.cc.uq.edu.au> from "Patrick Cordiner" at Mar 20, 99 02:26:43 pm Message-ID: Patrick Cordiner writes: > > From: Paul Mather > > Date: Saturday, March 20, 1999 2:14 PM > > PS: I still have no clue as to what your AVI file was about. :-) > > Just be glad you didn't receive it. > > -Patrick Just to sate everyone's curiosity, and to save you the trouble of downloading 9MB in order to see what all the fuss is about: The clip is apparently "live" film footage of a child accidentally wandering in front of a speeding train, and being hurled (very violently) offscreen. What gives the image a certain compelling power is the bizarreness of seeing such an accident through a film shown 40(?) years later. You want to shout at the kid to stop, but it's clearly a little late for that... Steve swann at plutonia.com From dawa at INTCON.NET Sat Mar 20 01:01:54 1999 From: dawa at INTCON.NET (Dawa) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 00:01:54 -0600 Subject: TRAIN KEPT A' ROLLIN Message-ID: > Just to sate everyone's curiosity, and to save you the trouble of > downloading 9MB in order to see what all the fuss is about: > > The clip is apparently "live" film footage of a child accidentally > wandering in front of a speeding train, and being hurled (very > violently) offscreen. What gives the image a certain compelling power > is the bizarreness of seeing such an accident through a film shown > 40(?) years later. You want to shout at the kid to stop, but it's > clearly a little late for that... > > Steve > swann at plutonia.com Jeez... who would want to watch it? Society has enough ills. Might as well add .avi's of people being killed, to people's list of kicks. Maybe we can start swapping snuff films? Clearly not a bright idea sending that crap out. Dawa -- "No Name, No Slogan." - Acid Horse, 1989 From mordru at FLITE.NET Sat Mar 20 01:28:40 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 01:28:40 -0500 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated In-Reply-To: <000001be728d$b7905fc0$8855dacf@primenet.com> Message-ID: At 09:54 PM 3/19/99 -0700, you wrote: >> I don't mind Shooting Shark at all. But I was talking about songs of >> the "kid discovers guitar, becomes hero and (maybe) dies" variety, and >> referring to Bad Company's "Shooting Star", not BOC's "Shooting Shark". >> >> Andrew Apold > >Then there's the "kid discovers guitar in cave, kept from becoming hero by >the Priests" on 2112, but this would only reheat the now fairly cooled-off >anti-Rush discussions..... Of course eventually these will lead to the DA classic song model of "Boy meets girl, Boy kisses girl beneath moon, which suddenly explodes for no adequately explained reason" (paraphrasing, don't recall exact text).... ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From StevenTice at AOL.COM Sat Mar 20 02:16:53 1999 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 02:16:53 EST Subject: BOC: Band in Boston (BOC at the Middle East) Message-ID: In a message dated 3/19/99 1:44:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, jswartz at MITRE.ORG writes: << PS: Meltzer is a Dick... >> Okay, I just HAVE to know what brought THIS comment on... Some anecdote you heard, perhaps? :-) SET From pookadad at DELTANET.COM Sat Mar 20 02:34:23 1999 From: pookadad at DELTANET.COM (Michael Karschner) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:34:23 -0800 Subject: TRAIN KEPT A' ROLLIN Message-ID: Actually, it wasn't a child, it was a young woman. (My girlfriend had to view the film during an accident investigation course.) And the train closest to the couple (the one they thought they were "making it past" then came along and finished the job on the woman. :( -- Mike Stephen Swann wrote: > > The clip is apparently "live" film footage of a child accidentally > wandering in front of a speeding train, and being hurled (very > violently) offscreen. From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Mar 20 03:22:30 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 03:22:30 EST Subject: OFF: [Fwd: Music of the Millennium] Message-ID: In a message dated 99-03-19 16:20:47 EST, you write: << Whoops! Indeed he was. Though now that I've got my brain cranked up and running (damn thing starts harder every year), I do believe I saw a *video* of the Tea Party years and years ago, that somebody recorded for me off MuchMusic (Canada's MTV). As I recall, the video was pretty cool, with lots of really lavish, Byzantine imagery. I remember thinking that I needed to find out more about those guys, but of course, that was the last I ever heard of them... Steve swann at plutonia.com >> ----Well, I'm perfectly willing to make anyone a tape. That's how terrific those first two albums were...phew...smooth... BTW, I of course have never seen any Canadian television, but I sort of recall hearing about this...any chance the song was called "The Bazaar"? Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Mar 20 03:35:28 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 03:35:28 EST Subject: OFF: More Tea Party ravings from Chuck Message-ID: In a message dated 99-03-19 16:36:11 EST, abrevard at SHL.COM writes: << I've heard some of their work, a little from each album and liked it quite a bit. Strong similarities to Queensryche (vocally with the songs I've heard). Not a bad group. >> ---AHHH!! Please, anyone who was getting interested in Tea Party--ignore this last comment!! :) Sorry, Adrian. But if you want to start comparing TP's sound to other groups (which is totally justified, as they where 'em on their sleeve), you must start w/Led Zeppelin, and J. Morrison in regards to vocals. They're like a '90s Zeppelin--but even more powerul; incredibly adept acoustic guitar, brilliant and at times quite complex and multi-layered song- writing, beautifully fluid musicianship from all members, better-than-decent lyrics. Plenty of the Arabian flavor and acoustic guitar/sitar flair, and the occasional exotic instrument. Sure, Jeff Martin (vox/guit/composer) could be a bit pretentious at times, but one forgets this as one becomes enthralled with the music. And the most delicious production that a group like this has ever had. Oh, I'm losing my mind! Someone please ask me to make them a tape! And I _swear_, I do not know these guys! They're a power-trio from Canada (oops) and I live in SoCal. However, it's not blanga and the group has no sense of humour at all, only romantcism, so if you're not the type that can get into that whole trip, never mind. Chuck From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sat Mar 20 03:47:49 1999 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Patrick Cordiner) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 18:47:49 +1000 Subject: BOTF Message-ID: From: Kevin Sommers > Date: Saturday, March 20, 1999 3:09 PM > I don't believe that there are any concerts in that era in which they did > any more of the techno/ambient spacey-floaty "Tibet Is Not China" sort of > stuff than they've always done. The closest they've come, I think, was the > 9/5/83 Milnton Keyes Woughton Centre "Electronica" show, sometimes listed as > Uncle Nik & the E.T.s. I don't think Chadwick was in HW at that stage (I may be wrong), it's just that I'm always eager to hear Chadwick's ambient stuff after Business Trip/BOTF/Electric Teepee/Church of HW, and apart from the recent post-Alien concerts(and Business Trip) haven't heard him live. Thanks for the info though! -Patrick From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Mar 20 05:22:24 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 10:22:24 +0000 Subject: OFF; 10 most hated/Cobain/Tea Party In-Reply-To: <36F2F3D5.72D2EE20@dlcwest.com> from "Laj Waldner" at Mar 19, 99 07:03:17 pm Message-ID: Ah, I knew I would catch heat for expressing my dislike of Nirvana/Cobain! Well, I prefer talking about things I _like_ anyway :) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Mar 20 05:26:08 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 10:26:08 +0000 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990319160923.01a17da0@mailhost.ed.harlequin.co.uk> from "Dave Berry" at Mar 19, 99 04:09:23 pm Message-ID: > For me, the winner was Ronnie James Dio. The man is a fool, which the > programme highlighted nicely. Just after he explained that he didn't write > love songs, and "preferred to address a different intelligence", they cut > to a clip of "Long Live Rock 'n' Roll", a dreadful song that contains not > even a homeopathic trace of intelligence. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ *That* is beautiful. I'm going to remember that. That's up there with Deke's Leonard's "almost supenaturally ungifted" phrase. Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Mar 20 05:29:33 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 10:29:33 +0000 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated In-Reply-To: <6D986111E966D211A65E00A0C96E961108FAEB@C2> from "Joseph Brooks" at Mar 19, 99 08:29:56 am Message-ID: I have difficulty taking bands like Korn, Coal Chamber, and Marilyn Manson seriously enough to dislike. I mean, I don't think the stuff I've heard is any good, and feel little inclination to pay it further mind. The Spice Girls whup all their butts anyway :) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Mar 20 05:38:15 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 10:38:15 +0000 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated In-Reply-To: <199903191856.NAA25018@imperatrix.plutonia.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Mar 19, 99 01:56:25 pm Message-ID: > Jeez, nobody has slagged the Beach Boys yet. Don't you all want to be > the first to insult Buck's musical taste? ;-) Regardless of Hendrix's opinion, I thought the original stuff was cool--though of course, I never heard it in context, just much later whilst growing up. Heck, it was some guys singing in harmony some vapid songs about surf, girls, and cars, with kinda catchy tunes. And David Lee Roth did that great cover of California Girls :) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Mar 20 05:56:34 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 10:56:34 +0000 Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip In-Reply-To: <199903192026.PAA25696@imperatrix.plutonia.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Mar 19, 99 03:26:56 pm Message-ID: > Yeah, they do sometimes, don't they? Especially those sort of > gimmicky hits, that people either love or hate. And too often, for > better or worse, that's what people will remember you for. Remember > Hawkwind "blowing up" the Silver Machine? (Which is unfortunate, > because that was shaping up to be one of the best versions ever). :-) Yeah. _Bastards_. On reflection, I think I end up liking a lot of music which drives other people nuts largely because I've escaped the original context. I don't mind the Monkees, the Beach Boys, BOC's "Godzilla", HW's "Silver Machine", etc. since I never was there when they were big. I was discussing something like this with a German friend the other day--we both like _Steeleye Span_ f'r Chrissakes, which is instant street cred death in Britain. But for us there was never an association with twee 70s folkies, it was just some music. And other side of the coin, this is probably exactly Nirvana, etc. grate so much on me. That scene became huge right at the end of my highschool career, and I was suddenly faced with loads of rich suburban kids from LI's north shore slopping around in boots, scruffy jeans, and a flannel shirt around their waists (which they had spent the previous 6 years taking the piss out of me for dressing like) saying "Dude, I my life is so crap and I so identify with this music". And I could only think, "If you're life is miserable it's only because your latest girlfriend dumped you, you aren't getting the car you wanted as a graduation present, and you got busted for skipping out of PE. And 12 months ago you totally identified with Madonna and dressed like INXS. What the hell?" That and a "Smells Like Teen Spirit" video with loads of cheesy moshing high-schoolers may have biased my opinions slightly ;) So, apologies to big Nirvana fans. I liked the riffs despite myself, because they _were_ good, but Ye Gods the whole scene just hit me wrong. I'll get back to talking about how I like Godzilla and Silver Machine :) Cheers, Carl From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sat Mar 20 05:54:51 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 10:54:51 -0000 Subject: BOC: Meltzer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > << PS: Meltzer is a Dick... >> > > Okay, I just HAVE to know what brought THIS comment on... Some > anecdote you > heard, perhaps? :-) It'll be this article, I imagine. Which I found rather amusing, I must say, and told me much more about the Blue Oyster Cult than that waste of a rain forest in Goldmine a few years ago. But I'll refrain from further discussion for the moment. http://ww2.musicuniverse.com/Rocketbam.fm$RETRIEVE?value=7267&field=serial&h tml=detail - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Sat Mar 20 05:59:57 1999 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 11:59:57 +0100 Subject: BOC: Band in Boston (BOC at the Middle East) In-Reply-To: <36F29BB6.27151A41@mitre.org> Message-ID: John A. Swartz wrote: > >PS: Meltzer is a Dick... What's Meltzer got to do with the Boston gig? Sorry, if I didn't grasp something from your report. -- Goran From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Mar 20 06:02:18 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 11:02:18 +0000 Subject: OFF: [Fwd: Music of the Millennium] In-Reply-To: <199903192119.QAA26111@imperatrix.plutonia.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Mar 19, 99 04:19:24 pm Message-ID: > Though now that I've got my brain cranked up and running (damn thing > starts harder every year), I do believe I saw a *video* of the Tea > Party years and years ago, that somebody recorded for me off MuchMusic > (Canada's MTV). As I recall, the video was pretty cool, with lots of > really lavish, Byzantine imagery. I remember thinking that I needed > to find out more about those guys, but of course, that was the last I > ever heard of them... I got their first album _Splendor Solis_ used, and it was great. If the idea of the Doors colliding with Zeppelin doesn't appeal, it probably won't either, though :) Apparently, they're very big Down Under (Sonique?) and an Kiwi/Ozzie-type down the hall (he grew up in both places, so I"m not really sure!) lent me the next two albums because he's a big fan. Second album _Edges of Twilight_ or somesuch, is also most rockin', and the 3rd _would_ be but is spoiled by the dumb production. Apparently they've a new album coming out soon which they hope will combine the best aspects of the previous albums--so it should be good. Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Mar 20 06:21:21 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 11:21:21 +0000 Subject: OFF: Don't throw Styx In-Reply-To: <42eea903.36f30fc6@aol.com> from "DASLUD@AOL.COM" at Mar 19, 99 10:02:30 pm Message-ID: > i concluded there was something kinda screwy about a buncha harvard grads > making major-label millions selling statements like "f**k you, i wont do what > you tell me"...and we'll see how these fellas are when they're in their '50s > and '60s, negotiating with their attorneys and accountants, while the > oppressed and beaten-down REMAIN oppressed and beaten-down. Speaking as a Harvard grad who is certainly not making millions on a major label ;) ... I can say that if I _was_, I'd say, "Damn, I'm going blow loads of money on a major light show, no concert will drop below the 180 minute mark, we'll jam onstage with the opening act (and they _will_ be cool), we'll hang in the car park with y'all before the gig, and we'll buy y'all beer afterwards and sign autographs or whatever. And we solemnly promise to issue collections of B-sides, etc., at least on a fan-club basis." :) Cheers, Carl From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Mar 20 06:26:10 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 06:26:10 EST Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated Message-ID: In a message dated 3/20/99 5:38:47 AM, cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK writes: << Regardless of Hendrix's opinion, I thought the original stuff was cool--though of course, I never heard it in context, just much later whilst growing up. Heck, it was some guys singing in harmony some vapid songs about surf, girls, and cars, with kinda catchy tunes. funny, y'know, how the beatles could get away with being kinda vapid in their earliest luv song stuff but the beach boys couldnt...again, it's decades later, very difficult to conceive of the time when the beach boys and phil spector & co. were IT...got me no beef w/the beach boys;it's not their fault disgusting corporate oldies radio has played the same half-dozen songs every day for years and years>>> first concert i ever saw: fall '71, phoenix minor league baseeball stadium: beach boys/taj mahal/half a dozen lesser acts, a benefit for a drug clinic...got my first whiff of ganja in the air...the beach boys were onstage longer trying to get the synth to work than they were playing...this would be right around the time "surf's up"; the capitol "endless summer" comp was still a few years away..."endless summer" annihilating any remaining chance they had of being anything but an oldies group... lb From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Mar 20 06:27:36 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 06:27:36 EST Subject: TRAIN KEPT A' ROLLIN Message-ID: In a message dated 3/19/99 11:39:02 PM, s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU writes: <> indeed, indeed, indeed... lb From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Mar 20 06:29:33 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 11:29:33 +0000 Subject: OFF: Don't throw Styx In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Mar 1999, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > Speaking as a Harvard grad who is certainly not making > millions on a major label ;) ... I can say that if I _was_, I'd > say, "Damn, I'm going blow loads of money on a major light > show, no concert will drop below the 180 minute mark, we'll > jam onstage with the opening act (and they _will_ be cool), > we'll hang in the car park with y'all before the gig, and > we'll buy y'all beer afterwards and sign autographs or > whatever. And we solemnly promise to issue collections of > B-sides, etc., at least on a fan-club basis." And if some psycho takes me out with a rifle, well, heck, that's rock'n'roll... ;-) Yours, Jon -- /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | =====================================================================| | "Probability level 1 to 1. We have normality, I repeat, we have | | normality. Anything you still can't deal with is therefore your own | \_________________________ problem." ______________________________/ \_____________/ From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Mar 20 06:31:00 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 06:31:00 EST Subject: TRAIN KEPT A' ROLLIN Message-ID: In a message dated 3/20/99 12:47:01 AM, swann at PLUTONIA.COM writes: <>>which would be why i made the TOTALLY F$#$#%^N STUPID decision to toss it out... god, third day of this....am i punished yet? lb From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Mar 20 06:37:45 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 11:37:45 +0000 Subject: TRAIN KEPT A' ROLLIN In-Reply-To: <882fef9.36f386f4@aol.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > >>>which would be why i made the TOTALLY F$#$#%^N STUPID decision to toss it > out... > god, third day of this....am i punished yet? Due to the frequency with which some people can check their mail, and the different times it takes BOC-L mail to reach different people, this sort of things generally takes about three or four days to lie down as everyone gets the stuff at different times and doesn't see people's earlier replies until they've contributed their own, We're not really out to get you comrade... ;-) Yours, Jon -- /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | =====================================================================| | "Probability level 1 to 1. We have normality, I repeat, we have | | normality. Anything you still can't deal with is therefore your own | \_________________________ problem." ______________________________/ \_____________/ From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Mar 20 06:37:19 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 06:37:19 EST Subject: TRAIN KEPT A' ROLLIN Message-ID: In a message dated 3/20/99 1:04:24 AM, dawa at INTCON.NET writes: < >> regarding your final comment, i do believe i've addressed that>>> it aint on MY list of kicks; didnt know until the furor over my sending the goddam thing that it was something there'd be quantities of that people would collect/trade... and for the second day in a row i will be late for work because i'm sitting here thinking "maybe i should delete everything what's called "train kept a rollin" w/o reading it because i am so ,totally, totally, FUCKING sick of it now..." lb From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Mar 20 06:43:55 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 11:43:55 +0000 Subject: TRAIN KEPT A' ROLLIN In-Reply-To: <1bfc0ef2.36f3886f@aol.com> from "DASLUD@AOL.COM" at Mar 20, 99 06:37:19 am Message-ID: > and for the second day in a row i will be late for work because i'm sitting > here > thinking "maybe i should delete everything what's called "train kept a rollin" > w/o reading it because i am so ,totally, totally, FUCKING sick of it now..." Well, that's one you're not gonna forget in a hurry ;) Sometimes Ma Nature teaches you not to stand under trees by striking them with lightening. Just don't start writing long essays about coffee ;) (a sore point from BOC-L's past! ;) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Mar 20 06:54:47 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 11:54:47 +0000 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated In-Reply-To: <000101be722a$9e470540$4c3f63c3@default> from "Andy Gilham" at Mar 19, 99 05:04:58 pm Message-ID: > That's it Larry, you're on my junk senders list as of now. Aw, I may be more willing to cut Larry some slack than many, since I know him from a few years back and Stateside, but he's a cool guy (even if newbie blunders like multi-Meg off-topic files are above and beyond the call ;) And I didn't mean to slag Cobain off for being mentally ill, I meant to slag him off writing songs which I found terminally annoying. And not being able to get behind being both rich and miserable is my hang-up, not anyone else's. Sheesh, we're getting really heavy here. Let's talk about BOC and Hawkwind, and get back grumbling about the one's lack of material and the other's founder hiding behind the synths :) Cheers, Carl From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Sat Mar 20 07:09:48 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:09:48 +0000 Subject: OFF: THE TEA PARTY Message-ID: Been listening to them since 93 when I was given "Splendor Solis". two of the best gigs of the nineties were the 2 nights they played in London in 95. And of course they employed Roy Harper on "Edges...". Probably the most underrated band of the decade. " SAH NP The Tea Party - The Edges Of Twilight >> ---Finally someone else here got turned on!! Is this awesome shit or what?? Chuck" -- Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK e-zine and freezine http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Let's talk > about BOC and Hawkwind, and get back grumbling about the > one's lack of material and the other's founder hiding behind > the synths :) And about what a rotter that Richard Meltzer is! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Sat Mar 20 07:40:06 1999 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:40:06 +0100 Subject: TRAIN KEPT A' ROLLIN In-Reply-To: <199903200545.AAA30026@imperatrix.plutonia.com> Message-ID: Stephen Swann wrote: >The clip is apparently "live" film footage of a child accidentally >wandering in front of a speeding train, and being hurled (very >violently) offscreen. What gives the image a certain compelling power I would say it was a woman. >is the bizarreness of seeing such an accident through a film shown >40(?) years later. You want to shout at the kid to stop, but it's >clearly a little late for that... The bizzareness lies mainly in the fact that the hurrying couple thought the train on the first rails makes the noise, so they hurried to cross those rails. But this train was parked, and the surprise lied on the second rails. -- Goran From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Sat Mar 20 07:40:12 1999 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:40:12 +0100 Subject: BOC: Meltzer In-Reply-To: <000001be72c0$1464f300$4f3f63c3@default> Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: >It'll be this article, I imagine. Which I found rather amusing, I must say, >and told me much more about the Blue Oyster Cult than that waste of a rain >forest in Goldmine a few years ago. But I'll refrain from further >discussion for the moment. Yeah, I see. The amusement is especially in the paragraph about Buck's wedding. I wonder how there wasn't someone to pack Meltzer and put him in a trashcan. Or to send him to Siberia. -- Goran From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sat Mar 20 07:39:59 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:39:59 +0100 Subject: OFF: London visit Message-ID: Hi I am visiting with my wife London next week for 3 days (24.3 - 26.3) Can you UK (London) folks help me with some hints where I could get some good and rare HAWKWIND stuff, especially tapes and posters and maybe teeshirts Thanks for your help Bernhard From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Mar 20 07:46:02 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:46:02 +0000 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated In-Reply-To: <000101be72cc$762b5a00$232e63c3@default> from "Andy Gilham" at Mar 20, 99 12:23:29 pm Message-ID: In future, I'll stick to slagging off The Offspring for being miserable gits ;) And one of their overplayed hits comes damn close to ripping off a Nirvana riff anyway :) Cheers, Carl ObCD: Kingston Wall, _III - Tri-logy_ From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Mar 20 08:06:37 1999 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 05:06:37 PST Subject: OFF: Disaster Area Message-ID: Someone said.... -------------------------- Of course eventually these will lead to the DA classic song model of "Boy meets girl, Boy kisses girl beneath moon, which suddenly explodes for no adequately explained reason" (paraphrasing, don't recall exact text).... ------------------------- Well, you know I can't resist this............ "Their songs are on the whole very simple and mostly follow the familiar theme of boy-being meets girl-being beneath a silvery moon, which then explodes for no adequately explored reason." Sorry about that, I also HAVE to line up salt and pepper shakers neatly when I am in a restaurant. ;^) Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos *********************************************** Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Mar 20 08:14:04 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:14:04 +0000 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated/grohl/nirvana In-Reply-To: <9a8507b8.36f30b5e@aol.com> Message-ID: >dave grohl was a songwriting drummer/musician... >i'm not saying, remotely, that he should be credited w/cobain's songs or >anything absurd...but just having that "internal song sense" he provided >MAXIMUM COMPLEMENT for cobain....do you see what i'm saying? he made those Althouh i've always argued that without Walkingseeds' completely blistering 'Skullfuck' lp there would be not have been Nirvana as we came to know them (for good or ill) regardless of grohl/cobain/whoever. As for cobain's death, well, if he topped himself - not quite the most radical gesture of the situationalists, too damn private - so i can't help but feel a bit sad for the guy; to say that he was rich and so should have valued his life is, imo, putting a little too much faith in the value of money and luxury. However, that's *if* he killed himself. Personally i gp with the "Courtney pulled the trigger" line of (un)thought. Why? Well because its more fun and would explain why Hole went from being 'not bad' to pure shite. ah well, i'm 2p worse off now andrew "Noise is for heroes Leave the music for zeroes" - The Damned From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Mar 20 08:39:50 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:39:50 +0000 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated/grohl/nirvana In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >However, that's *if* he killed himself. Personally i gp with the "Courtney >pulled the trigger" line of (un)thought. Why? Well because its more fun and >would explain why Hole went from being 'not bad' to pure shite. oops, i meant to add an url for a site with that conspiracy laid bare: http://www.parascope.com/index.htm (it's got some interesting photos of the US military's experiments with acid on its soldiers too) And: i didn't mean that somebody killing somene is more fun than a suicide, just the growth of narratives around the murder of a public figure tend to produce more room for debate than the closure of suicide. andrew "i say what comes to my mind" - The Buzzcocks 'Boredom' From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Sat Mar 20 08:56:29 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:56:29 +0000 Subject: OFF:10 MOST HATED Message-ID: OK, I've given this some thought, and they would be; The Beatles The Rolling Stones Queen Smashing Pumpkins Nirvana UB40 The Cranberries Oasis Culture Club The Human League SAH NP Sleepy People - Typhoid & Swans -- Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK e-zine and freezine http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Sat Mar 20 09:17:01 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:17:01 +0000 Subject: OFF: FREEBIE UK INTERNET ACCESS - 0800 NUMBER Message-ID: this is one for the UK based BOC-Lers, because X-Stream are offering an 0800 number for their Internet access this weekend and next wekkend from midnight Friday to midnight Sunday. OK, you get the shitty banner ad across the top, but I'm too busy surfing for free to care. The access number is 0800 358 5678, and you should sign up at www.x-stream.com first. It's busy but I managed to connect earlier today, so if anyone wants to try it use my user name of pacescot & password of edinburgh SAH NP Magic Moments At Twilight Time - Creavolution Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK e-zine and freezine http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Sat Mar 20 08:48:37 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:48:37 +0000 Subject: OFF: THE TEA PARTY/NICK CAVE Message-ID: That would be The Birthday Party:-) Steve wrote"> SAH > NP The Tea Party - The Edges Of Twilight > >> > > ---Finally someone else here got turned on!! Is this awesome shit or what?? Is that the band that Nick Cave came from? Steve swann at plutonia.com" -- Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK e-zine and freezine http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Mar 20 09:19:16 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:19:16 +0000 Subject: OFF: HW/Fairies/Punk [long, but it ain't a meg :-)] Message-ID: I don't know whether anyone's mentioned this before but there's a few mentions of the Hawks in Stewart Home's Cranked Up Really High: Genre Theory & Punk Rock. On the whole the book's a (pretty successful) attempt to counter the over-intellectualisation of punk, with HW appearing in a chapter entitled 'Blood Spattered With Guitars. A demonstration that there are no direct links between Punk Rock, the Sex Pistols and the Situationist International' (snappy or what?) The chapter is a timely attack on Greil Marcus and his attempt to place the Pistols in some sort of intellectual trajactory which situates them (ha!) as direct descendents of the Situationalists. [And it really is nice to read an honestly written critique, Home doesn't pull his punches; on Marcus: "What a twat!"] However, leaving aside Home's convincing argument that the Pistols were not, in fact, punk rock, he brings the hawks in one of the two major strands of influence on the british 70s punk scene (the other being 60s garage punk (which he calls garage rock, but i'll forgive him)). So, a few quotes that might interest one or even possibly two of you, "Now the British underground, and in particular the Notting Hill freak scene of the sixties, provide a very strong precedent for late seventies Punk Rock. This should be contrasted with the fallacious notion that there was a vast Situationalist input into PUNK. For a start, the Situationalist International consisted of a very small number of intellectuals who were consciously organised as a group, whereas both the sixties underground and the PUNK 'movement' were amorphous and disorganised. [long discussion of King Mob/Black Mask/Motherfuckers/SI snipped] ... Likewise the Motherfuckers, via King Mob, were hardly the most immediately accessible aspect of the sixties counter-culture waiting to inspire the average late seventies teenage 'PUNK'', while the Situationalist 'influence' is completely negligible. What would inevitably be encountered by anyone trailing around the London rock circuit at this date were the muscians and sound crews clustered around the Deviants, the Pink Fairies, the Edgar Broughton Band, Hawkwind etc, all of whom had been stalwarts of the underground free festival scene. One of the things that tends to be associated with PUNK is independent record labels, not that this was anything new, the idea that it was merely demonstrates the average wo/man's innate capacity for complete amnesia. Nevertheless, independent releases are a quintessential element of the PUNK ROCK phenomenon. [...] New Rose by the Damned, released on Stiff, is widely considered to be the first single of the British 'new wave' explosion [...] Stiff's second release had been Between The Lines by the Pink Fairies, and in 1977 they issued a solo single by ex-Fairy Larry Wallis. Likewise Mick Farren did a comeback EP with Stiff, although for reasons unknown, the label never got around to releasing a planned single by Motorhead, featuring former Hawkwind bassist Lemmy." [oh fuck, can i be arsed typing anymore? have any of you got this far? Oh well, just in case:] "Another of the bigger independent labels associated with the British 'new wave' explosion is Chiswick Records, who had the honour of unleashing Motorhead's first single on an unsuspecting world ... One of the best punk records of 1977 came out on Chiswick: I wanna Be Free by the Rings. The title was a completely abstract demand, typical of the gestural politics favoured by PUNK and underground bands, the ex-Pink Fairy Twink, now with the Rings, simply demanded freedom in a vacuum. Brilliant - loud, fast and stupid!" And there's more, but i really can't be arsed now. 'Sgood book if you're into punk, especially if you've read any of the 'serious' tomes on the subject. Half the time with Home you're thinking, "hey, that's a good point... but hold on, is he taking the piss?" Whilst the rest you're just enjoying the scenary of his polemic. anyway, that's me done andrew Mama 'll have to buy him a muzzle: Sit when I say "sit!" And come when I whistle -Thee Headcoatees From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Mar 20 10:42:12 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 15:42:12 +0000 Subject: TRAIN KEPT A' ROLLIN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , DASLUD at AOL.COM writes You complete prat. -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Mar 20 10:38:52 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 15:38:52 +0000 Subject: TRAIN KEPT A' ROLLIN In-Reply-To: <36F339D2.D627B12D@intcon.net> Message-ID: In article <36F339D2.D627B12D at intcon.net>, Dawa writes >Jeez... who would want to watch it? Larry would, and he'd like to share it with you. Nice thought, Larry. -- Jon From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Sat Mar 20 10:54:08 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 10:54:08 -0500 Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at Mar 20, 99 10:56:34 am Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > Yeah. _Bastards_. > > On reflection, I think I end up liking a lot of music > which drives other people nuts largely because I've escaped > the original context. As Andy Gilham and I have hashed out a thousand times, w.r.t. _Live Chronicles_ for instance. ;-) > Boys, BOC's "Godzilla", HW's "Silver Machine", etc. since > I never was there when they were big. I was discussing > something like this with a German friend the other day--we > both like _Steeleye Span_ f'r Chrissakes, which is instant > street cred death in Britain. But for us there was never > an association with twee 70s folkies, it was just some > music. For me, this would be Jethro Tull. > And other side of the coin, this is probably exactly > Nirvana, etc. grate so much on me. That scene became huge > right at the end of my highschool career, and I was suddenly I guess it *is* all in the context... At the time that grunge broke, I already had some previous familiarity with the Seattle music scene and the grunge crowd through my pal Jon Hilgreen. He ran the "Mighty, Mighty Grunge List" from the same listserver at SUNY Buffalo that BOC-L originally ran on. In fact, it was because of the existence of GRUNGE-L that I managed to convince the sysadmin to let me create BOC-L. I had been on GRUNGE-L briefly, and really liked the people and the discussion, but I had signed off because I had basically never heard any of the bands they were talking about So, there I was at the turn of the decade in that absolute wasteland of crappy pop-rock and LA-style big hair metal that totally dominated "rock" radio. Musically speaking, I had hated all of the mid and late 80s. Aside from a couple of albums (Imaginos being an obvious example, but that was 2 years previous, and we'd found out since then that there wasn't going to be a reunion or followup) the whole music scene was just a waste of time to me. I was actually starting to lose my interest in new music, because it had been so long since I'd heard anything that really shook me. Then I heard this incredible, fire-breathing, kick-ass tune on CFNY Toronto. I thought it sounded like what I'd imagined "grunge" to be, so I signed back onto GRUNGE-L and asked everybody what it was. It was "Smells Like Teen Spirit", which was already old hat to them, because it had climbed the college charts and sat itself at the #1 position so long ago that only their grandparents remembered a different album at #1. ;-) I ended up staying on GRUNGE-L for years, and became a big fan not only of the music, but the attitude of he fans. > faced with loads of rich suburban kids from LI's north shore > slopping around in boots, scruffy jeans, and a flannel shirt > around their waists (which they had spent the previous 6 years > taking the piss out of me for dressing like) saying "Dude, > I my life is so crap and I so identify with this music". And > I could only think, "If you're life is miserable it's only > because your latest girlfriend dumped you, you aren't getting > the car you wanted as a graduation present, and you got busted > for skipping out of PE. And 12 months ago you totally identified > with Madonna and dressed like INXS. What the hell?" Those are the people who eventually destroyed GRUNGE-L, by turning it into the Eddie Vedder teen-angst fan club. That was never, EVER, what Grunge was about. > That and a "Smells Like Teen Spirit" video with > loads of cheesy moshing high-schoolers may have biased my Did you notice how burned out and disinterested the "moshers" and the cheerleaders are? And how dingy and depressing the whole thing is, despite the effort to everyone all rah-rah? There's some serious social satire going on in that video. It was the perfect answer to the 80's. > opinions slightly ;) So, apologies to big Nirvana fans. > I liked the riffs despite myself, because they _were_ good, > but Ye Gods the whole scene just hit me wrong. And it hit me like a breath of fresh air when I was suffocating... I guess it's just all in the context. :) Steve swann at plutonia.com From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Sat Mar 20 11:06:54 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 11:06:54 -0500 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at Mar 20, 99 12:46:02 pm Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > In future, I'll stick to slagging off The Offspring > for being miserable gits ;) And one of their overplayed > hits comes damn close to ripping off a Nirvana riff anyway :) Carl, you just live to get a rise out of me, don't you? ;-) The Offsrping had 2 really good pop/punk albums (and an EP that I've never heard) before this current monstrosity. I guess they finally got serious backing from their record company, just in time to inflict crap like "Get a Job" and "She's Got Issues" on us 200 times a day, when they *could* have backed great songs like "Leave it Behind" or "Amazed" from _Ixnay on the Hombre_. All hail the record industry. Sigh... Steve swann at plutonia.com From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Sat Mar 20 11:45:25 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 11:45:25 -0500 Subject: BOC/OFF: I remember in the good ole days (was repercussions) In-Reply-To: <199903201554.KAA02411@imperatrix.plutonia.com> Message-ID: At 10:54 AM 3/20/99 -0500, Steve Swann wrote (well actually before we re-read that): This is finally turning into an interesting discussion on whence thingsc ame tastewise. Admittedly being one of the instigators of the Styx bashing stint, I did it primarily on the basis of the PBS special and all PBS sp[ecials like it, trying to get in touch with the "rock n' roll" PBS is somehow in tune with. Semi-ON topic(gasp), I've listened to In Search of Space a dozen times now and I get the distinct impression that the band of that era were trippy gypsies. You Shouldnt do that's groove just hits me that way... as does the rest of the album. The lemmy era seems remarkably differnt. Which is good! Not bad! >I ended up staying on GRUNGE-L for years, and became a big fan not >only of the music, but the attitude of he fans. As a complement to your sagacious founding of BOC-L, if it wasn't for the list theres no way I would have been willing to (or have even been given the option of) paying quality monetary units for HW, Bevis Frond, and Brain Surgeons. Hey, that means I can blame you for depeltuing my bank account! :) I feel better now. heh. > >Did you notice how burned out and disinterested the "moshers" and the >cheerleaders are? And how dingy and depressing the whole thing is, >despite the effort to everyone all rah-rah? There's some serious >social satire going on in that video. It was the perfect answer >to the 80's. The Weird Al video spoof of the tune is very good too. >And it hit me like a breath of fresh air when I was suffocating... >I guess it's just all in the context. :) You got that right,. The malleability of music to conform to one;s external/internal environment, coupled with the wonderful contradictory positions held on the exact same song by 2 or more people is what makes rock n' roll far better than sliced bread. I'll say it now and then again, Jason PS: If any thread on this list deserves a swift and merciful end its the "Train.." one. Next to this, the dreaded Moose Email Epidemic pales in comparison :) But if it turned into a discussion on how wonderful the song Train Kept a Rollin' is when twice done by the Yardbirds, that would be ok(?) PPS: The Meltzer "review" was a really interesting peephole into BOC history. I wonder how much he likes the Brain Surgeons, since he's sorta doing the same in house writer gig w/ 'em? "I'm in a FOUL mood today. Stay outa my way or I'll CRITIQUE YOUR ASS to hell. Just ME,just YOU...a decent song. You wanna see THEM, see THEM. I don't give a shit." - Richard Meltzer From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Sat Mar 20 11:44:51 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 11:44:51 -0500 Subject: Call to close the open season on Larry/DASLUD Message-ID: Hey guys, This is a request that call off the jihad on Larry. Yes, he's been a bad boy. He *knows* he's been a bad boy, and he's very sorry for having been a bad boy. But he's sufficiently new at this mailing list gig that I believe he's taking the backlash a mite too personally. Also, while he *has* deliberately rocked the boat here, in order to "stir things up", I believe that he is currently coming to a very personal, and indeed heartfelt undertsanding of why it is that people don't and shouldn't do things like that in a public forum like BOC-L. Just a request that we all be civilized about this. Thanks, Steve swann at plutonia.com From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Mar 20 11:59:04 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 16:59:04 +0000 Subject: Call to close the open season on Larry and something else. In-Reply-To: <199903201644.LAA02783@imperatrix.plutonia.com> Message-ID: >personal, and indeed heartfelt undertsanding of why it is that people >don't and shouldn't do things like that in a public forum like BOC-L. > >Just a request that we all be civilized about this. > Yeah; he posted something that he probably now deeply regrets posting, and (as far as i can work out) misread the irony in one of Andy's posts which was a tad unfortunate as beyond the misunderstanding they both seemed to be in agreement. Anyway in a gesture of uncommon humanitarianism that friends and acquaintances of mine would find rather shocking i am going to do my upmost to deflect the ire that is being directed in his direction. (see next post) andrew "Who's the commanding officer here?" "Ain't you?" - Apocalypse Now From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Mar 20 12:15:55 1999 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 01:15:55 +0800 Subject: Off: 10 Most hated In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > lessee...i would replace benatar and loverboy (unworthy of my > attention) with > KANSAS and WHITESNAKE...i'll think more about it...so many awful bands, so > little time... > I thought the original version of Whitesnake, long before they became Bon Jovi lookalikes (after Coverdale sacked his original band for looking old and talented?), were good. The band that is. Coverdale is a good singer, but his lyrics are just a bit too sexist. The first proper Whitesnake album, Trouble, is good. It's more in the style of blues rock. William From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Mar 20 12:11:59 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 17:11:59 +0000 Subject: TRAIN KEPT A' ROLLIN In-Reply-To: <1bfc0ef2.36f3886f@aol.com> Message-ID: In article <1bfc0ef2.36f3886f at aol.com>, DASLUD at AOL.COM writes >and for the second day in a row i will be late for work because i'm sitting >here >thinking "maybe i should delete everything what's called "train kept a rollin" >w/o reading it because i am so ,totally, totally, FUCKING sick of it now..." "Sorry I'm late again, boss, but I was sitting wondering whether to delete my e-mail or not." Hee! -- Jon From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Mar 20 12:23:59 1999 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 01:23:59 +0800 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated In-Reply-To: <17a08914.36f2060a@aol.com> Message-ID: > The cheesy '70s group that needs to be added to this list for me is > Supertramp, mainly due to the vocals. There is one track by Supertramp that I like. I cannot remember the name of it, but it's the last track on the album with the word Breakfast in it. I liked the track mainly for the various effects featuring such things as Churchill's voice. I'd love to get a copy of that one song, but not the rest of the album! > ---If "Cum On Feel the Noise" was Sweet, then add Quiet Riot (a group I'll > admit to liking when I was 11 or so; the lead guitarist, Carlos > Cerveso, or > something was my idol for a while; I'd pose in the mirror w/a > baseball bat as > my air-guitar...ah, the terrible influence of MTV on a young and malleable > mind.) Or was that Slade? > Cum On Feel The Noize was Slade. William From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Mar 20 12:15:30 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 17:15:30 +0000 Subject: OFF:10 MOST HATED Message-ID: On l?r 20 mar 1999 13.56 +0000 "Stuart Hamilton" wrote: > The Beatles > The Rolling Stones > Queen Dude! The Beatles rock, and the other two have their moments :) > Smashing Pumpkins Ah, well, I quite liked _Gish_, and thought "Cherub Rock" was really catchy. But then they showed serious signs of afterburning right up their own arses and I soured on them all at once, and sold my CDs. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Mar 20 12:31:52 1999 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 01:31:52 +0800 Subject: Band bagging In-Reply-To: <199903191414.AAA21344@yowie.cc.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: > the majority of Alan Parsons. The very, very hard to find Tales Of Mystery & Imagination is brilliant. The rest of his stuff is rather average. William From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Mar 20 12:27:22 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 17:27:22 +0000 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) Message-ID: Okay, as stated this is an attempt to deflect some wrath from Larry's doorstep. But whilst everyone's sleeves are still rolled up, like a small child with a stick standing by a hornet's nest i can't resist asking a question that has been bugging me for quite a while. Why do people love Live 79 so much? I have *never* been as embarrassed listening to HW album as i am listening to the clumsy synth ploddings on Shot Down in the Night. No, to be accurate, i am not embarrassed by any other HW release. From this low it does at least rise to mediocrity with a few fairly innocuous versions of old faves. To my ears though the whole thing (with the exception of Lighthouse which really does shine brightly - and would do so whatever it was surrounded by) is as eventful as anything released during the ratheer irksome New Wave Of British Heavy Metal. If previous releases had been utterly dire, the maybe it could be seen as being a return to form of sorts. But we're talking about a sequence that saw Quark -> PXR5 -> 25 Years On which had the Hawks continuing the willingness to experiment and extend themselves that IMO began with Hall... IMO Live 79 sticks out at as a step sideways and backwards into mere metal mediocrity. That's how i see it anyway, so convince me please. What is so great about Live 79? andrew (stepping off the soapbox) Two vicars are grappling, One pulls a Boston crab -The Fire Dept. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Mar 20 12:47:40 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 17:47:40 +0000 Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip Message-ID: On l?r 20 mar 1999 10.54 -0500 "Stephen Swann" wrote: > As Andy Gilham and I have hashed out a thousand times, w.r.t. > _Live Chronicles_ for instance. ;-) I avoid discussing LC with Andy :) and stick to serious musical statements like "The Ballad of Bilbo Baggins" ... >> I was discussing >> something like this with a German friend the other day--we >> both like _Steeleye Span_ f'r Chrissakes, which is instant >> street cred death in Britain. But for us there was never >> an association with twee 70s folkies, it was just some >> music. > > For me, this would be Jethro Tull. Ah, and I am a major Tull freak :) Actually, it has been my perception that liking Hawkwind gains street cred in the US (since there, when people have actually heard of them, they are perceived of as a hip, UK underground thing, bonus points for weird SF), while they lose street cred in the UK (being perceived of as old drug-adled nutters who play one chord songs for half-an-hour at a go to untrendy bikers). Or such is the vibe I get. > So, there I was at the turn of the decade in that absolute wasteland > of crappy pop-rock and LA-style big hair metal that totally dominated > "rock" radio. Musically speaking, I had hated all of the mid and late > 80s. Aside from a couple of albums (Imaginos being an obvious > example, but that was 2 years previous, and we'd found out since then > that there wasn't going to be a reunion or followup) the whole music > scene was just a waste of time to me. I was actually starting to lose > my interest in new music, because it had been so long since I'd heard > anything that really shook me. Yeah, my sister was really into the 80s hair-bands then :) I had only gotten into "late-20th-century rock/pop music" ;) in the mid-80s (via old Beatles films and Monkees TV episodes) and in no time had catapulted myself into all the late-60s psychedelia in a big way. Any time I saved up enough money from mowing lawns, I could go down to the record store and buy another LP that would blow me away and some blank cassettes to dub more Dead shows onto :) Despite a perverted liking for Def Leppard, I had to hate all modern popular music as cheap toss with too many slick and cheezy synth-keyboards and not enough guitar jamming. > Then I heard this incredible, fire-breathing, kick-ass tune on CFNY > Toronto. I thought it sounded like what I'd imagined "grunge" to be, > so I signed back onto GRUNGE-L and asked everybody what it was. It > was "Smells Like Teen Spirit", which was already old hat to them, > because it had climbed the college charts and sat itself at the #1 > position so long ago that only their grandparents remembered a > different album at #1. ;-) Ah, and by the time I heard it, it was all over MTV, the trend-hoppers were there, and I had to hate it. Besides, my formative teen-age years had been filled with bands in my walkman continuously telling me everything would be groovy if I chilled out and went with the flow, so, like, don't worry about it, man. So I just couldn't get into the abstract misery trip! >> faced with loads of rich suburban kids from LI's north shore >> saying "Dude, >> I my life is so crap and I so identify with this music". > > Those are the people who eventually destroyed GRUNGE-L, by turning it > into the Eddie Vedder teen-angst fan club. That was never, EVER, > what Grunge was about. Yeah, I hated all those people who hung out in the car park at Dead shows and made a mess. I'd gotten into the band a couple of years before their big success and so instantly got pissed off with everyone "destroying the scene" (which I had never actually experienced, but was arsed off that I hadn't and now couldn't-- classic old bastard response before my time). >> That and a "Smells Like Teen Spirit" video with >> loads of cheesy moshing high-schoolers may have biased my > > Did you notice how burned out and disinterested the "moshers" and the > cheerleaders are? And how dingy and depressing the whole thing is, > despite the effort to everyone all rah-rah? There's some serious > social satire going on in that video. It was the perfect answer > to the 80's. True, but seeing it when the world was suddenly filled with teeny-boppers lining up to imitate it rather inverted the message. It was a damned teen anthem by the time I heard it, for all the wrong reasons. > And it hit me like a breath of fresh air when I was suffocating... > I guess it's just all in the context. :) Very true. Now to get back to this list, Hawkwind appeared at just the right moment for me, about 92. The Dead were starting to suck hard again, Phish were clearly about to become so big that it would almost as difficult to get tix for them ... I had gotten into BOC, who provided me with a much needed dose of music both intelligent and powerful, and with some very serious guitar sounds. And then there was Hawkwind, who jammed on like freaks, and had all the heaviness and aggression that the old psych bands I knew had never had. And joining BOC-L cracked open a whole new world of sound, what with finding out about all sorts of other things I'd never heard of and opening my mind to things I'd never thought I'd like (like Motorhead). My record shelf (and bank account) have never looked the same since. I taught myself to plink along to the Dead on an old acoustic, but after Hawkwind I had to go electric :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Mar 20 12:50:16 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 17:50:16 +0000 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated Message-ID: On l?r 20 mar 1999 11.06 -0500 "Stephen Swann" wrote: > Carl, you just live to get a rise out of me, don't you? ;-) That's right :) I still think that Clutch's _Elephant Riders_ kicks butt all over the place too :) Cheers, Carl ObCD: The Brain Surgeons, _Eponymous_ -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Mar 20 12:53:36 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 17:53:36 +0000 Subject: Off: 10 Most hated Message-ID: On s?n 21 mar 1999 01.15 +0800 "William Duffy" wrote: > I thought the original version of Whitesnake, long before they became Bon > Jovi lookalikes (after Coverdale sacked his original band for looking old > and talented?), were good. The band that is. Coverdale is a good singer, but > his lyrics are just a bit too sexist. > The first proper Whitesnake album, Trouble, is good. It's more in the style > of blues rock. I, of course, had to hate Whitesnake since I knew them as a cheezy 80s hair band that my sister liked. However, someone (probably Scott H.) eventually played me something which was some really early Whitesnake, and I was forced to admit it was pretty solid blues-rock stuff. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Mar 20 12:59:17 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 17:59:17 +0000 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) Message-ID: On l?r 20 mar 1999 17.27 +0000 andrew wrote: > Why do people love Live 79 so much? I have *never* been as embarrassed > listening to HW album as i am listening to the clumsy synth ploddings on > Shot Down in the Night. No, to be accurate, i am not embarrassed by any > other HW release. From this low it does at least rise to mediocrity with a > few fairly innocuous versions of old faves. To my ears though the whole > thing (with the exception of Lighthouse which really does shine brightly - > and would do so whatever it was surrounded by) is as eventful as anything > released during the ratheer irksome New Wave Of British Heavy Metal. Gee, and I thought "Shot Down in the Night" was *excellent* :) while I found "Lighthouse" sort of a non-event. That said, I thought the "Brainstorm" on _Live 79_ was extrordinarily lame. But, as Steve S. points out, the "Silver Machine" has an excellent start before, sadly, it blows up! I certainly didn't like the album enough to bring it to the UK with me though. I've got the early stuff, the recent stuff, a Calvert comp, and (Andy's favorite ;) _Live Chronicles_ :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Mar 20 13:09:52 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 18:09:52 +0000 Subject: BOC/OFF: I remember in the good ole days (was repercussions) Message-ID: On l?r 20 mar 1999 11.45 -0500 "Bolts of Ungodly Vision" wrote: > This is finally turning into an interesting discussion on whence thingsc > ame tastewise. Admittedly being one of the instigators of the Styx bashing > stint, I did it primarily on the basis of the PBS special and all PBS > sp[ecials like it, trying to get in touch with the "rock n' roll" PBS is > somehow in tune with. PBS's rock'n'roll is like VH1 without as many balls ;) One of my friends as a teen, a fellow hater of all things trendy and who turned me on to CCR, was quite into Styx. I didn't warm to it, but nevertheless I guess we were young enough to have missed the original context :) > Semi-ON topic(gasp), I've listened to In Search of Space a dozen times now > and I get the distinct impression that the band of that era were trippy > gypsies. You Shouldnt do that's groove just hits me that way... as does the > rest of the album. The lemmy era seems remarkably differnt. Which is good! > Not bad! Oh, yeah. The addition of Lemmy, I think, largely added weight and speed together. There's a fairly clear evolution up to HotMG, which is why I have trouble thinking of "the Lemmy years" as something totally seperable from the period which include the first two albums. _Astounding Sounds_ is where I mark a big change of style. Though, definitely, the band pre-Lemmy is slower and looser and more stretched out. Well, just compare the original "MotU" or "Shouldn't Do That" to the "Lemmified" versions: same basic thing, but faster and louder. > PPS: The Meltzer "review" was a really interesting peephole into BOC > history. I wonder how much he likes the Brain Surgeons, since he's sorta > doing the same in house writer gig w/ 'em? Aren't some of the tBS songs fairly recent collaborations with Meltzer? One gets the feeling there is still a great deal of bad blood in the Oyster World ... -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From StevenTice at AOL.COM Sat Mar 20 13:14:39 1999 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:14:39 EST Subject: OFF: 10 most loved Message-ID: Okay, let's try approaching this from a more positive direction...the ten bands I most enjoy, in alphabetical order... Bela Fleck and the Flecktones Blue Oyster Cult/Brain Surgeons ELP Genesis (Gabriel/Hackett period only!) Jethro Tull Kansas (pre-1978) King Crimson Marillion (Fish period) Rush Yes (seventies version) Hm, too bad so many of these bands require qualifiers...and I omitted a few qualifiers I could have put in there... At any rate, those are my favorites. I'd be interested in finding out how many of these bands also appeal to other BOC fans. Steven Tice From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Mar 20 13:12:30 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 18:12:30 +0000 Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip In-Reply-To: <168026.3130940860@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: >lose street cred in the UK (being perceived of as old drug-adled >nutters who play one chord songs for half-an-hour at a go to >untrendy bikers). Or such is the vibe I get. And when i were nobutta lad, it was exactly this rep that got me into 'em :-) As Charge was sang, "fashion, fashion, fashion, i'm a christmas tree" andrew "The first time you open your eyes they plug you into all of their lies" - The Ruts From StevenTice at AOL.COM Sat Mar 20 13:17:43 1999 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:17:43 EST Subject: OFF: Supertramp Message-ID: Oh, to the fellow who was trying to identify a Supertramp song...the song with the Winston Churchill voiceover is Fool's Overture, from Even in the Quietest Moments or the live album, Paris. It's not on Breakfast in America. And, yeah, so I like Roger Hodgson's voice, what of it. :-) SET From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Mar 20 13:15:06 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 18:15:06 +0000 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: <209910.3130941557@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > I certainly didn't like the album enough to bring it to >the UK with me though. I've got the early stuff, the recent >stuff, a Calvert comp, and (Andy's favorite ;) _Live Chronicles_ :) ooh ooh (mr peebley) which calvert comp? andrew From StevenTice at AOL.COM Sat Mar 20 13:21:33 1999 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:21:33 EST Subject: BOC: Meltzer Message-ID: In a message dated 3/20/99 5:57:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM writes: << http://ww2.musicuniverse.com/Rocketbam.fm$RETRIEVE?value=7267&field=serial&h tml=detail >> Well, that link didn't work, and when I tried to use the search function at the main music universe page, it wasn't working, either...can you give us some idea what the content of this article is? Thanks! SET From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Sat Mar 20 13:27:51 1999 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 19:27:51 +0100 Subject: Call to close the open season on Larry/DASLUD In-Reply-To: <199903201644.LAA02783@imperatrix.plutonia.com> Message-ID: Stephen Swann wrote: > >Also, while he *has* deliberately rocked the boat here, in order to >"stir things up", I believe that he is currently coming to a very >personal, and indeed heartfelt undertsanding of why it is that people >don't and shouldn't do things like that in a public forum like BOC-L. > I don't think that he wanted to provoke us, but to animate somehow this list, finding that stuff he sends would be interesting enough for the residents, according to his interpretation what sort of interest should have a BOC/HW fan. That's OK basically. I remember he also sent a humorous list of English in Non-English countries. Although out of context, it had some funnily spooky sentences, that could be in the context. No one blamed him then. Neither should. So the problem was the size of the attachment, and sending of attachments in the mailing lists, generally. To Larry: Larry, don't worry, you're OK. Only, before you send some attachment, ask first the recipient. And better don't send any attachments in mailing lists. And if someone is annoyed by you - well, every decent mail program has filtering. -- Goran From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Sat Mar 20 13:27:57 1999 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 19:27:57 +0100 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated In-Reply-To: <003001be72f6$7110cbc0$d53e3bcb@xl5> Message-ID: William Duffy wrote: >There is one track by Supertramp that I like. I cannot remember the name of >it, but it's the last track on the album with the word Breakfast in it. I >liked the track mainly for the various effects featuring such things as >Churchill's voice. >I'd love to get a copy of that one song, but not the rest of the album! 'Fool's Overture' from 'Even In The Quietest Moments', album preceding the 'Breakfast In America'. -- Goran From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Mar 20 13:41:10 1999 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 02:41:10 +0800 Subject: OFF: Supertramp In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Oh, to the fellow who was trying to identify a Supertramp > song...the song with > the Winston Churchill voiceover is Fool's Overture, from Even in > the Quietest > Moments or the live album, Paris. It's not on Breakfast in America. > Thanks very much for the info William From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Sat Mar 20 13:49:15 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:49:15 -0500 Subject: BOC: Meltzer's POV In-Reply-To: <76079a3.36f3e72d@aol.com> Message-ID: At 01:21 PM 3/20/99 EST, you wrote: > >Well, that link didn't work, and when I tried to use the search function at >the main music universe page, it wasn't working, either...can you give us some >idea what the content of this article is? Thanks! > >SET > > FRONT OF THE BOOK: Burnin' for You - My Life With the B.O. Cult by Richard Meltzer (First appeared in The Rocket magazine, 3/10/99) During the 15 years I avoided them, I usually gave FOUR REASONS why I wanted no part of the Blue Oyster Clot, excuse me, Cult, a band I once lived with and wrote lyrics for (heck, I was their "muse"). First and foremost, their manager had cheated me out of money-lots of it-more than once.... But he's gone now. Second was the memory of an original band member, after I'd sent him a copy of a book I wrote, responding that it was just "fine," see, but that it wasn't informed by the miracle of heroin addiction like the writing of his dear friend Jim Carroll (fuck you, Al). So when I learned that this bandmember was not on the current tour but ensconced in a rehab tank somewhere, I thought, "Hey, maybe it wouldn't hurt to go see the muhfuhs. Life is short and perhaps I'll not get the chance again." I go see Blue Oyster Cult play the Roseland Theatre in Portland Feb. 20, and right off, first tune, "Burnin' for You" (yup, I wrote it-fuck me), I'm blasted with a dose of reason number three (how had it slipped my mind?): I never enjoyed the SOUND of the band after they went metal. Everything got too contained-structured to fit what it didn't fit-too stilted and skewed. Oh yes, there was a before. For my money, the last good Cult record-well, they weren't called the Cult then-was a 1970 single ("Arthur Comics" b/w "What Is Quicksand?") that Elektra put out under the name Stalk-Forrest Group. It was just kind of goofy, quirky, late-'60s rock: psychedelic, mind-manifesting, free-form and improv-driven, that sort of shit. But really, Blue Oyster Cult were never a real metal band, even if they pretended, and people, at times, liked believing they were. In '74, a self-professed Satanist asked me: "Are they into any cults?" "Cults?" "Yeah, c'mon, you can tell me." Ha ha ha. An English rock mag once classed them not as metal but as "heavy pomp," which seems about right. So here BOC were at Roseland being NO DIFFERENT from what they were in their prime (the '70s)-minus, of course, the inflatable Godzilla, the laser show and the silver lederhosen. Reduced to scale and standing naked as...good-time music(!) Oldies-rotation mainstream rock, which probably won't cause cancer (although you never know). A full house of people enjoyed themselves: fat people, skinny people, bikers, loggers, guys looking like retired hippy pro basketball star Bill Walton in '78. Couples dancing and kissing (making out!); median age: 45. Any yuppies? Well, there was a dork in an $80 sweatsuit doing the twist and holding a beer who looks like he lives with his mother (and maybe an aunt). He gets home, they smell his breath. "Where were you?" Can such a person be classed a yuppie? (I would class him.) In such a good-timey milieu, I chose to be entertained as well. As ever, the best thing about the band was guitarist Don, excuse me, Buck Dharma. Buck's playing was identical to what it was in '76-note for fucking note, grin for fucking grin. This brings me to the fourth reason: my uncouth behavior at Buck's wedding back in '73-breaking a window, feeling up his mom, calling his wife "NAZI!" (her last name was Nasci). At the time, he claimed I'd "destroyed" the wedding. Hey, isn't that what you're supposed to do with weddings? But for the last 15 years or so, since I discovered compassion and such, my past behavior had been plaguing me. So when Buck told me after BOC's show that he's looking forward to divorce after 26 years, I felt, "Hey, that's sure a load off my mind." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Mar 20 13:30:32 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 18:30:32 +0000 Subject: BOC/OFF: I remember in the good ole days (was repercussions) In-Reply-To: <248103.3130942192@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: >mark a big change of style. Though, definitely, the band >pre-Lemmy is slower and looser and more stretched out. Well, >just compare the original "MotU" or "Shouldn't Do That" to the >"Lemmified" versions: same basic thing, but faster and louder. > Yes, definitely; 'my hawkwind' so to speak is the Space Ritual crew and a lot of this is down to what Lemmy brought to the band. The embryonic form was there but it was Lemmy that solidified the existing elements. Although having said that, somewhat oddly the apotheosis of that era came in the 80s especially on the stonehenge verion of Watching The Grass Grow. Although, thinking about it, maybe not that strange: Lemmy seems to find his mettle the most on tracks that Nik had a hand in (excepting Time We Left). Now, if Lemmy had been at the Stonehenge gig, *that* would have been, well i can't think how it might have turned out, but i'd loved to have heard it. andrew They wear a bucket on their heads, They wear a bucket on their heads, Wake up! Wake up! -Inner City Unit From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Sat Mar 20 13:35:52 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:35:52 -0500 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: from "andrew" at Mar 20, 99 05:27:22 pm Message-ID: andrew writes: > > Okay, as stated this is an attempt to deflect some wrath from Larry's > doorstep. But whilst everyone's sleeves are still rolled up, like a small > child with a stick standing by a hornet's nest i can't resist asking a > question that has been bugging me for quite a while. > > Why do people love Live 79 so much? I have *never* been as embarrassed > listening to HW album as i am listening to the clumsy synth ploddings on > Shot Down in the Night. No, to be accurate, i am not embarrassed by any > other HW release. From this low it does at least rise to mediocrity with a > few fairly innocuous versions of old faves. To my ears though the whole > thing (with the exception of Lighthouse which really does shine brightly - > and would do so whatever it was surrounded by) is as eventful as anything > released during the ratheer irksome New Wave Of British Heavy Metal. You know, my first reaction to Live 79 was that it sucked. I picked it up incidentally as part of the Castle two-for-one package with Levitation. I gave it a listen, and really hated it for the plodding, thud-thud-thud drumming. I mean, Motorway City on Levitation (whether you personally like it or not), at least rolls along with a propulsive rythm, courtesy of Ginger Baker. The version on Live 79 walks like a man on stilts. And I agreed with you about Shot Down in the Night. And you know, I honestly don't know when the change of heart happened. It started certainly with Spirit of the Age, the Live 79 version being probably my favorite-ever rendition of that one. But I don't know when the rest of it started growing on me. My attitude toward it certainly underwent a case of evolution, rather than revolution. :) But now it's something that I listen to rather often (as these things go). I mean, it's in no danger of replacing Space Ritual or Live Chronicles as my favorite live albums, but I include it in a second tier of "favorably viewed" live albums, along with The Business Trip, Reading '85, and BBC Radio One. > If previous releases had been utterly dire, the maybe it could be seen as > being a return to form of sorts. But we're talking about a sequence that > saw Quark -> PXR5 -> 25 Years On which had the Hawks continuing the > willingness to experiment and extend themselves that IMO began with Hall... > IMO Live 79 sticks out at as a step sideways and backwards into mere metal > mediocrity. The Huw Lloyd-Langton Speed Metal version of Hawkwind? ;-) Gotta realise, that's my second-favorite Hawkwind era, and _Live Chronicles_ is in serious contention to be my favorite album. By anyone. On the other hand, _PXR5_, I don't really like much, nor _Astounding_ (didn't that come in the era immediately before Live 79 also?). Actually, I get the feeling that this discussion (like most that we've been having here lately) is mostly about the context in which we discovered the music, and how we felt about it at the time - not about any sort of "absolute musical value" that can be assigned to it. In terms of absolute musical value, I'd probably have to rate Doemi pretty low, since it's such simple, repetetive stuff. Too bad that I LOVE IT TO HELL AND GONE, eh? ;-) > That's how i see it anyway, so convince me please. What is so great about > Live 79? Steve swann at plutonia.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Mar 20 13:41:36 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 18:41:36 +0000 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) Message-ID: On l?r 20 mar 1999 18.15 +0000 andrew wrote: > ooh ooh (mr peebley) which calvert comp? _Tales from Atomhenge_ :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Mar 20 13:46:34 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 18:46:34 +0000 Subject: BOC: Meltzer's POV Message-ID: So .... basically Meltzer has written an entire _book_ for the sole purpose of slagging off a band which the average person probably scarcely remembers ... We can't hold a candle to this! We may as well go back to liking stuff ;) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Mar 20 13:48:40 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 18:48:40 +0000 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) Message-ID: On l?r 20 mar 1999 13.35 -0500 "Stephen Swann" wrote: > Actually, I get the feeling that this discussion (like most that we've > been having here lately) is mostly about the context in which we > discovered the music, and how we felt about it at the time - not about > any sort of "absolute musical value" that can be assigned to it. And what is "absolute musical value"? :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Mar 20 14:03:05 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 19:03:05 +0000 Subject: BOC/OFF: I remember in the good ole days (was repercussions) In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990320114525.0068fcc8@mail1.wizvax.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Mar 1999, Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: > Semi-ON topic(gasp), I've listened to In Search of Space a dozen times now > and I get the distinct impression that the band of that era were trippy > gypsies. You Shouldnt do that's groove just hits me that way... as does the > rest of the album. The lemmy era seems remarkably differnt. Which is good! > Not bad! Well, I've been playing a lot of Krautrock lately, and ISoS does seem to fit in there really without trouble... I blame Dave 'Amon Duul' Anderson. Yours, Jon -- /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | =====================================================================| | "Probability level 1 to 1. We have normality, I repeat, we have | | normality. Anything you still can't deal with is therefore your own | \_________________________ problem." ______________________________/ \_____________/ From dellison at POP.DN.NET Sat Mar 20 14:08:16 1999 From: dellison at POP.DN.NET (Dave Ellison) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:08:16 -0500 Subject: QS&C Question Message-ID: I am about to order IYA from CDNow, and want to pick up a copy of QS&C (had one, but the CD player it was in got stolen). They have not one, but 3 QS&C listings, all put out by Griffin/GOPACO. One is 9.49, another 11.49, and the last is $24.49. I figure the last is some boxed set special-thingy, but can't figure out the first two. Any ideas? Thanks, Yawl DE From john.m.gray at CWIX.COM Sat Mar 20 14:09:49 1999 From: john.m.gray at CWIX.COM (John Gray) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 11:09:49 -0800 Subject: TRAIN KEPT A' ROLLIN & 10 Most Hated Message-ID: Man, have we beat this to death or what. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Sat Mar 20 14:20:20 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:20:20 -0500 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: <388129.3130944520@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> from "Carl Edlund Anderson" at Mar 20, 99 06:48:40 pm Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > > On l?r 20 mar 1999 13.35 -0500 "Stephen Swann" wrote: > > Actually, I get the feeling that this discussion (like most that we've > > been having here lately) is mostly about the context in which we > > discovered the music, and how we felt about it at the time - not about > > any sort of "absolute musical value" that can be assigned to it. > > And what is "absolute musical value"? :) Oh, the sort of thing that makes King Crimson "superior" to the Spice Girls. ;-) I mean, if we can call people "talentless", we're making an implicit assertion that the music they produce is of little worth. Right? So, we're making a judgement about the value of things (which is sort of what I've been fighting against in the "bashing" thread). I assert that we should only be discussing this stuff in the context of personal preference, and stop making sweeping value judgements about each others' music. But maybe that's too contrary to human nature; a lot of people are unable to even disassociate "I like" from "I have respect for". Steve swann at plutonia.com From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Sat Mar 20 14:41:32 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:41:32 -0500 Subject: BOC: Meltzer's POV In-Reply-To: <380536.3130944393@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 06:46 PM 3/20/99 +0000, you wrote: > So .... basically Meltzer has written an entire _book_ >for the sole purpose of slagging off a band which the average >person probably scarcely remembers ... > > We can't hold a candle to this! We may as well go back >to liking stuff ;) I thought the title was more in refernce to a collection of essays type o' deal..or "Front of the Book" referred to the way the BOC in one form or another was something in Meltzer's life that just plain was "at the front" of his literary career. My favorite part of the strange excursion was description of the crowds there and his view on BOC (post BOC) and BOC (SWU/SFG era). Wild vaniness. Was the manager he referred to Pearlman perhaps? Jason "I'm in a FOUL mood today. Stay outa my way or I'll CRITIQUE YOUR ASS to hell. Just ME,just YOU...a decent song. You wanna see THEM, see THEM. I don't give a shit." - Richard Meltzer From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sat Mar 20 14:20:53 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:20:53 -0500 Subject: QS&C Question Message-ID: > I am about to order IYA from CDNow, and want to pick up a copy of QS&C >(had one, but the CD player it was in got stolen). They have not one, but >3 QS&C listings, all put out by Griffin/GOPACO. One is 9.49, another >11.49, and the last is $24.49. I figure the last is some boxed set >special-thingy, but can't figure out the first two. Any ideas? Check http://home.clara.net/adawson/quark.html There you will see the two Griffin releases (with different covers than the original LP and Virgin (UK) CD), the box set one including the novel "Queens of Deliria" (the sequel to Time of the Hawklords by M. Butterworth). Dunno why they have two prices for the single CD. If it's on Griffin, it *should* be the full-length album, not the 'Quark' single from recent years that was on EBS only (I think). I might ask them first though. Keith H. (FAA) From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Mar 20 14:37:10 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 19:37:10 +0000 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: <199903201835.NAA03835@imperatrix.plutonia.com> Message-ID: >anyone. On the other hand, _PXR5_, I don't really like much, nor >_Astounding_ (didn't that come in the era immediately before >Live 79 also?). Yeah, '76 so its just before the others i mentioned; i excluded it because - no matter what a great song i think Steppenwolf is - i don't like it all that much. Er, hmm, okay, because it seems to rest at the transitional axis of 70s HW (just as to my ears L79 is the transitional axis of 80s HW) and as a result is largely directionless and pretty patchy. andrew Mama 'll have to buy him a muzzle: Sit when I say "sit!" And come when I whistle -Thee Headcoatees From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sat Mar 20 14:41:42 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:41:42 -0500 Subject: ADMIN/OFF: What's happened? Message-ID: Hi Folks.... Uhhhh, one weird question. Back in the pre-listserv days, I used to receive messages from boc-l in my in-box under the true senders name (or sometimes full e-mail address). When we moved over to listserv, suddenly everything was listed under 'BOC/Hawkwind Discussion Group' (or something similar), although as my Eudora downloaded the messages, I could see the names of you all flashing before me as the true senders. Now, since the 'Train kept a rollin' bombshell, now I'm getting everything listed by name again. Although, for a day or two, I got a mix of 'BOC/Hawkwind' and individuals' names. But today, everything is by name. Is that something with my system/configuration only, or is that happening to everyone? I don't really care too much one way or the other, and I was just kinda wondering why. But one thing I really didn't like about the generic 'BOC/Hawkwind' titles is that sometimes I would be looking for a particular person's posting to respond to, and if it was a high-volume thread, I'd have to search around for quite awhile. But then it was also nice to have the boc-l indicator there to distinguish these from the other mailing lists I'm on. My favourite way is for the true sender to be given, but then also a little 'tag' in front of the subject name. That's the way isi (the krautrock list) is done; i.e., there's a little [isi] tag put before the subject. So if we're going to have the names given again now, could we have a little [boc-l] subject tag put on all of our postings? Just wondering here in my ignorance.... Keith H. (FAA) From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Mar 20 14:50:12 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 19:50:12 +0000 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: <388129.3130944520@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 18:48 20/03/99 +0000, you wrote: >On l?r 20 mar 1999 13.35 -0500 "Stephen Swann" wrote: >> Actually, I get the feeling that this discussion (like most that we've >> been having here lately) is mostly about the context in which we >> discovered the music, and how we felt about it at the time - not about >> any sort of "absolute musical value" that can be assigned to it. > > And what is "absolute musical value"? :) > Whilst avoiding the temptation to get into Kant and the pre-judgemental (in terms of the intellect) nature of aesthetic judgement in his Critique of Judgement, let's go with him a little way and accept that aesthetic judgement is something common to all (as opposed to intellectual judgement which is something that is probably more reliant on whatever intellectual tradition one has been brought up in). On the list, i think its pretty safe to say that, without recourse to the critical faculties, we immediately share an apprehension of the beauty of early HW. (To 'adapt' Kant a little): this then becomes the basis for our shared sense community. Now to mangle the history of philosophy somewhat. We could refer to this early period of HW as our Geist (or spirit in the Hegellian sense, as opposed to the band) and all that folows as Leben (very roughly - lifeworld). If we take the Geist as a sublime harmony of the senses against which we are forced to measure the beauty of subsequent HW releases (the lifeworld we inhabit); then, in this instance we could understand Doremi (amongst others) as _the_ absolute musical value. Hope this clears things up :-) (excuse me for this, i don't think its netiquette to do this at your own post, but LOL, it kept me happy for 5 mins!) i think its time to get on the phone and sort out going out and getting smashed now... andrew Gabba Gabba Hey! Gabba Gabba Hey! - The Ramones From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Sat Mar 20 14:50:01 1999 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 19:50:01 -0000 Subject: IYA in UK Message-ID: Has anyone found anywhere (like a shop) that has IYA in the UK? I've just trundled round central London this afternoon and found nothing (I've also noticed that the HW sections in HMV and Virgin on Oxford Street are shrinking...) Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Sat Mar 20 14:56:28 1999 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 19:56:28 -0000 Subject: 10 Most over-rated - Was OFF:10 MOST HATED Message-ID: Queen Manic Street Preachers The Beatles The Police Lauryn Hill Fatboy Slim Oasis Boyzone/Another Level/Five etc - I can't tell them apart Lauryn Hill (yes, I know I've already mentioned her, but she really deseves to be in at least twice) Manic Street Preachers (as do they) Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ -----Original Message----- From: Stuart Hamilton To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 20 March 1999 14:17 Subject: OFF:10 MOST HATED >The Beatles >The Rolling Stones >Queen >Smashing Pumpkins >Nirvana >UB40 >The Cranberries >Oasis >Culture Club >The Human League > >SAH >NP Sleepy People - Typhoid & Swans > > >-- >Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground >PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK >e-zine and freezine >http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Mar 20 15:05:22 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:05:22 +0000 Subject: ADMIN/OFF: What's happened? In-Reply-To: <199903201951.OAA07941@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: >Back in the pre-listserv days, I used to receive messages from boc-l in my >in-box under the true senders name (or sometimes full e-mail address). When >we moved over to listserv, suddenly everything was listed under >'BOC/Hawkwind Discussion Group' (or something similar), although as my >Eudora downloaded the messages, I could see the names of you all flashing >before me as the true senders. Now, since the 'Train kept a rollin' >bombshell, now I'm getting everything listed by name again. Although, for a >day or two, I got a mix of 'BOC/Hawkwind' and individuals' names. But >today, everything is by name. Is that something with my >system/configuration only, or is that happening to everyone? That is a bit weird; unless you changed something there shouldn't be any sudden, random changes to your settings (after all Eudora isn't a microsoft product :). Unfortunately the most recent message since my last hard-drive space purge is Larry's orig. train post and everything is by the senders names, but as far as i can remember this has always been the case for me. I think you may have a different version of Eudora of me but you should still have the facility to make filters and mailboxes which would enable you to have eudora send relevant messages to relevant mailboxes: ie, boc-l messages to whatever you called the boc-l mailbox. To do this create a new mailbox from the mailbox menu item and create one for whichever lists you want to and then from tools menu item choose filters and set that up (its pretty intuitive) and that should 'sort it all out' (ho ho ho) andrew Gabba Gabba Hey! Gabba Gabba Hey! - The Ramones From sprawl at BBOARD.COM Sat Mar 20 15:08:44 1999 From: sprawl at BBOARD.COM (Sprawl) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 15:08:44 -0500 Subject: ADMIN/OFF: What's happened? Message-ID: It's you, Kieth. All my messgs show either the real name, or the nickname/e-mail addy. Rj From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Mar 20 15:15:09 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:15:09 +0000 Subject: IYA in UK In-Reply-To: <015201be730b$d1012420$241ec8c3@cyrus> Message-ID: >trundled round central London this afternoon and found nothing (I've also >noticed that the HW sections in HMV and Virgin on Oxford Street are >shrinking...) that'll be yr universe having reached its point of maximum expansion and now contracting that will. You'd better snap up IYA pretty quickly before it's dereleased. Pretty soon we'll all be barbitching about what a disappointment Space Ritual was/is/will be :-) andrew "i say what comes to my mind" - The Buzzcocks 'Boredom' From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Sat Mar 20 16:17:14 1999 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:17:14 +0100 Subject: ADMIN/OFF: What's happened? In-Reply-To: <199903201951.OAA07941@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: Keith Henderson wrote: >But then it was also nice to have the boc-l indicator there to distinguish >these from the other mailing lists I'm on. Well, my crystal ball says you use ancient Eudora 1.4.4. Does it have auto-filtering/filing feature in a special folder dedicated to a particular group, if some header field is recognized during receiving mail? That would solve a whole lotta problems you have. If not, find new Eudora. I think even the newest Eudora Light has filtering (but I'm not sure in this). I don't know what Windoze you run, but if you have 95/98, even MickeySoft Internet Mail & News, or Outlook Distress have filtering. >So if we're going to have the names given again now, could we have a little >[boc-l] subject tag put on all of our postings? Well, it certainly has. There are two important header fields, 'From:', and 'ReplyTo:'. Every decent contemporary mail program, shows the 'From' field in the message list, and replies to the 'ReplyTo' field. -- Goran From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Mar 20 16:40:13 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:40:13 +0000 Subject: IYA in UK In-Reply-To: <015201be730b$d1012420$241ec8c3@cyrus> Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Mar 1999, Kevin Perry wrote: > Has anyone found anywhere (like a shop) that has IYA in the UK? I've just > trundled round central London this afternoon and found nothing (I've also > noticed that the HW sections in HMV and Virgin on Oxford Street are > shrinking...) Shop-wise, no, but The Freak Emporium , and CD Services have it for mail order. Got mine from Delerium. Rather better than I had expected, though I'll still be glad to see the back of Rizz. Yours, Jon -- /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | =====================================================================| | "Probability level 1 to 1. We have normality, I repeat, we have | | normality. Anything you still can't deal with is therefore your own | \_________________________ problem." ______________________________/ \_____________/ From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Sat Mar 20 17:02:05 1999 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:02:05 +0100 Subject: OFF: 10 most loved In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Steven Tice wrote: >Bela Fleck and the Flecktones Never heard. >Blue Oyster Cult/Brain Surgeons Never heard . >ELP Up to Brain Salad Surgery. >Genesis (Gabriel/Hackett period only!) Normally, this period only. >Jethro Tull Up to Thick As A Brick. >Kansas (pre-1978) Nooooooooo. >King Crimson Absolutely! >Marillion (Fish period) Noooooooooooo! I hate, hate, hate copies of the duplicated surrogates. :-) >Rush >From Moving Pictures on, with Hemispheres and Waves as a transition period. Before these albums I just can't stand them. >Yes (seventies version) Well, OK, but without Tales. The Yes Album - Close To The Edge period is quite fascinating for me. >At any rate, those are my favorites. I'd be interested in finding out how >many of these bands also appeal to other BOC fans. It's OK. But don't you ever get headache of the pompous arty smart-ass music? ;-) -- Goran From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Mar 20 17:01:10 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 17:01:10 EST Subject: OFF: Don't throw Styx Message-ID: In a message dated 3/20/99 6:21:32 AM, cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK writes: << Speaking as a Harvard grad who is certainly not making millions on a major label ;) ... I can say that if I _was_, I'd say, "Damn, I'm going blow loads of money on a major light show, no concert will drop below the 180 minute mark, we'll jam onstage with the opening act (and they _will_ be cool), we'll hang in the car park with y'all before the gig, and we'll buy y'all beer afterwards and sign autographs or whatever. And we solemnly promise to issue collections of B-sides, etc., at least on a fan-club basis." >> never doubted it, carl-chan lb From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Mar 20 17:22:17 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 17:22:17 EST Subject: BOC: Meltzer Message-ID: In a message dated 3/20/99 7:37:59 AM, simplius at SOFTHOME.NET writes: << I wonder how there wasn't someone to pack Meltzer and put him in a trashcan. Or to send him to Siberia. >> a friend and i have debated meltzer (for him) vs. bangs (for me) for years. what has led meltzer to this proposed fate? lb From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Mar 20 17:25:27 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 17:25:27 EST Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated/grohl/nirvana Message-ID: In a message dated 3/20/99 8:18:51 AM, andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: << However, that's *if* he killed himself. Personally i go with the "Courtney pulled the trigger" line of (un)thought. Why? Well because its more fun >> i believe it! lb From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Mar 20 17:29:40 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 17:29:40 EST Subject: TRAIN KEPT A' ROLLIN Message-ID: In a message dated 3/20/99 10:43:44 AM, jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK writes: <> yeah, so i've heard. From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Mar 20 17:43:24 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 17:43:24 EST Subject: Off: 10 Most hated Message-ID: In a message dated 3/20/99 12:52:03 PM, cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK writes: << I, of course, had to hate Whitesnake since I knew them as a cheezy 80s hair band that my sister liked. However, someone (probably Scott H.) eventually played me something which was some really early Whitesnake, and I was forced to admit it was pretty solid blues-rock stuff. >> whitesnake had a trace of okay-ness in the beginning, when they were sort of a deep purple spinoff... lb From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Mar 20 17:57:06 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 17:57:06 EST Subject: ADMIN/OFF: What's happened? Message-ID: i'm on aol, primarily because it's a local (free) phone call to get online...it's marboros, it's mcdonalds, it's ULTRA MAINSTREAM, and i've mostly liked viewing this view of the mainstream from my otherwise-distant distance>>> someone here has said they get two copies of everything i send..this cant be utterly true, or else everyone would have sent my computer destruct-viruses for sending TWO of you-know-what.... but do people here sometimes get simultaneous duplicates from me? if this is so i believe it involves my choices of "reply" and 'reply all". in the case of "reply all" you are apparently receiving one to YOUR address and another via BOC-L. i will remember to hit "reply" only, and see if the duplications cease. lb From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sat Mar 20 18:33:10 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:33:10 GMT Subject: ADMIN/OFF: What's happened? In-Reply-To: DASLUD@AOL.COM's message of Sat, 20 Mar 1999 17:57:06 EST Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: > someone here has said they get two copies of everything i send..this cant be > utterly true, or else everyone would have sent my computer destruct-viruses > for sending TWO of you-know-what.... > > but do people here sometimes get simultaneous duplicates from me? if this is > so i believe it involves my choices of "reply" and 'reply all". in the case > of "reply all" you are apparently receiving one to YOUR address and another > via BOC-L. This is true - when you reply to any of my messages it goes to BOC-L but I also get a personal copy (I know this because my BOC-L mail is directed into a different folder to my personal stuff) > i will remember to hit "reply" only, and see if the duplications cease. this should definitely solve it. cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sat Mar 20 18:54:25 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:54:25 GMT Subject: BOTF In-Reply-To: Patrick Cordiner's message of Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:23:44 +1000 Message-ID: Patrick Cordiner writes: > ---------- > > From: Kevin Sommers > > Date: Saturday, March 20, 1999 12:46 PM > > > > Of course the best "legal" way is to buy "The Business Trip." > > > > Yeah, I've got the Business Trip, but I was more interested in hearing > stuff like `Tibet is not China' etc. in concert and have seen a couple of Actually I'm rather of the opinion that all the ambient tracks on It Is the Biz of the Future to be Dangerous are much better on the CD than they are live. This is rare for me since I usually prefer live versions of Hawkwind's studio albums but in this instance I'd say that only Space is Their Palestine has transferred successfully to a live format. Also, I suspect that if Hawkwind did play Tibet Is Not China as a live track it would simply be the recorded version on a background tape (or however such things are generated on stage these days - my total technological ignorance surfaces here and thrashes around a bit) rather than the band actually performing it. So I think even an audio tape wouldn't give you much that was new. jill obholiday> gone ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mordru at FLITE.NET Sat Mar 20 18:57:56 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 18:57:56 -0500 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Why do people love Live 79 so much? I have *never* been as embarrassed >listening to HW album as i am listening to the clumsy synth ploddings on >Shot Down in the Night. No, to be accurate, i am not embarrassed by any >other HW release. From this low it does at least rise to mediocrity with a >few fairly innocuous versions of old faves. To my ears though the whole >thing (with the exception of Lighthouse which really does shine brightly - >and would do so whatever it was surrounded by) is as eventful as anything >released during the ratheer irksome New Wave Of British Heavy Metal. I like just about everything on it *except* Lighthouse. I like most of the Levitation material (though prefer it with Ginger Baker). > If previous releases had been utterly dire, the maybe it could be seen as >being a return to form of sorts. But we're talking about a sequence that >saw Quark -> PXR5 -> 25 Years On which had the Hawks continuing the I have to agree that it's not as good as the height of the Calvert era.... but then what is? They botched the lyrics on 'Spirit of the Age', but I still love this version, if they'd nailed the lyrics right it would be my favorite version. As for Brainstorm.... how can I put it... originally I didn't like Brainstorm, despite having a number of versions, including the one on Space Ritual. The first time I liked it was when listening to Live '79. Once that one broke the barrier, so to speak, I went back and listened to other versions and saw what I was missing. Not quite sure why that one did the trick... > That's how i see it anyway, so convince me please. What is so great about >Live 79? (shrug). I like it. I probably listen to it more than anything else they would come up with until Live Chronicles. I ain't gonna try to convince you, if you don't like it then you don't and that's that. ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From mordru at FLITE.NET Sat Mar 20 18:42:32 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 18:42:32 -0500 Subject: OFF:10 MOST HATED In-Reply-To: <36F3A90D.D6B342C2@connectfree.co.uk> Message-ID: At 01:56 PM 3/20/99 +0000, you wrote: >OK, I've given this some thought, and they would be; > >The Beatles One of Lemmy's favorite bands. He claims McCartney as his biggest bass-playing influence, and named him as one of his top bass players ever... ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Sat Mar 20 19:30:46 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 18:30:46 -0600 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) Message-ID: No two snow flakes are identical. No two Chef's use the exact mixture of spices when cooking. What tastes great to one, may not to the other. If every time Hawkwind did the song EXACTLY like the last time it was recorded, where would the excitement be? Besides, how long did each member last in the band, before he was replaced? Different Musicians, different angles. That's why I LOVE this band so much... If your not gonna finish your plate, I will for ya! I'm hungry!!! 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From: Jsexbomb at aol.com Subject: A Train Kept A Rollin' Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 19:20:43 EST Size: 586 URL: From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Mar 20 19:52:07 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 00:52:07 +0000 Subject: ADMIN/OFF: What's happened? Message-ID: On l?r 20 mar 1999 17.57 +0000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > but do people here sometimes get simultaneous duplicates from me? Yeah, whenever you reply to one of my posts I get a copy from the list and a copy straight to me. Edit thy headers! :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sat Mar 20 20:32:29 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:32:29 -0500 Subject: OFF: Dark Star Tour Dates Message-ID: Hi Folks... Just received a copy of the CD-EP (4 songs) 'I am the Sun' by Dark Star, this one the remnants of the band Levitation (Christian 'Bic' Hayes and cohorts). They're now a power trio, having split from Terry Bickers, who now fronts 'Cradle.' Anyway, Dark Star has a full-length album coming out April 19th entitled 'Twenty Twenty Sound' and is currently on tour as I now realize. (http://www.dark-star.co.uk) I think the tunes on this CD-EP are pretty decent. Not too dissimilar from Levitation, a tad 'shoe-gazey' and a mix of harder rockers and mellower spacers. Keith H. (FAA) March 31st Groningen - Holland, Oosterpoort April 1st Tillburg - Holland, Q13 2nd Amsterdam - Holland, Paradiso 3rd Rotterdam - Holland, Nighttown 8th Bath, Moles 9th Reading, Alleycat 10th Sheffield, Leadmill (with Ultrasound) 11th Newcastle, Riverside (with Ultrasound) 12th Nottingham, Disco 2 (with Ultrasound) 15th York, Fibbers 16th Maidstone, Union Bar 17th Leeds, Cockpit (with Ultrasound) 19th Portsmouth, Wedgewood Rooms (with Ultrasound) 20th Wolverhampton, Varsity (with Ultrasound) 21st Norwich, Waterfront (with Ultrasound) 22nd London, LA2 (with Ultrasound) From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Mar 20 20:55:47 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:55:47 EST Subject: Call to close the open season on Larry/DASLUD Message-ID: thank you, essentially, thank you very much. y'know, one of the women i supervise at my job came in five hours late today, unable to work, distraught, a little drunk...the night before she'd been awakened at midnight by a pounding on her door by one of her daughters w/ the news that her eldest daughter, pregnant w/her 2nd child at 17, was in the hospital w/a fractured skull and various other injuries done unto her by the father of the child she carries...she got to the hospital in boston and stayed with her through the night. several of the young ladies' uncles were at that moment combing sections of boston in the hopes of wrecking if not killing their niece's assailant. i drove the woman home--she obviously was in no shape to work--and assured her she wouldnt be fired for not coming in today. so i come home and look at the screen and i get called a "prat" by some english twit (mustnt hurt that much--dont recall ever hearing it) for reasons which are ultimately, honest to god, less than trivial, and i think of how bad i've felt about this the past few days>>> and i oughta be ashamed compared to what my subordinate is going through over her daughter>>> and i wanna kick the english twit's ass and say "spare me your f***ing computer geekness! why am i agonizing over type onscreen from strangers who DO NOT GIVE A FLYING F**K ABOUT ME!! THIS IS THE WORLD I LIVE IN!!!" but to the extent i would like to attempt to participate amongst you i will reduce the harshness. be sure to let me know if and when you feel i have failed to do this. lb From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Mar 20 21:06:10 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:06:10 EST Subject: ADMIN/OFF: What's happened? Message-ID: this is solved now, carl-chan lb From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sat Mar 20 20:58:18 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:58:18 -0500 Subject: ADMIN/OFF: What's happened? Message-ID: Goran (who knows far more than I) wrote: >>But then it was also nice to have the boc-l indicator there to distinguish >>these from the other mailing lists I'm on. > >Well, my crystal ball says you use ancient Eudora 1.4.4. Your crystal ball would be correct. And ancient? HA! You think *that's* ancient. I use software regularly that's five or six generations old (by choice). But that's just because I don't support planned obsolescence. And because I believe simpler is often better. I use DOS-keystroke commands in Lotus (still accepted in Lotus 5.0 for Windows, which I call 'new', though I'm sure that's old also), and can do commands faster than I (or you) can follow them on the screen. Several times faster than any mouse can do, anyway. Why should I change? By the way, I hate Eudora. I used to do email on old 286's (the only thing they were good for anymore) when I had a log-in account (no unnecessary Windows 'baggage'), and was far happier than I am now. Of course, the university couldn't handle the load, so we all were forced to switch to pop accounts two years ago. I've never recovered, and have yet to figure out how to post a message to a USENET newsgroup. (I admit that I now discover I really don't care about that, or else I would've tried harder.) I'm just a dumb geochemist anyway, and have never owned a computer. The ones I use at work are always hand-me-downs (always two generations old...now *finally* a Pentium I at least, though with Windows 3.11 still). >Does it have >auto-filtering/filing feature in a special folder dedicated to a >particular group, if some header field is recognized during receiving >mail? That would solve a whole lotta problems you have. I don't think so. I don't want to filter anything anyway. I 'filter' what I want by not reading it. Keeping up with the Jonses in the computer world is not my bag...in fact, I tend to resist only but the most substantive 'upgrades'. Much of the rest is just bells and whistles. For instance, webpages that have all this flashing crap, and frames, and JAVA shit just freeze my machine, and I simply don't go to their sites ever again. Worthless crap IMHO. And I don't think I have a 'whole lotta problems', I just mentioned something I thought might be a bit better in my antiquated mind. And actually, I was more worried that something was still wrong with the SJC system, and thought my minor situation may be indicative of some error or something. I now realize I'm just terribly ignorant, and won't 'complain' anymore (now that my anti-technology rant is over). :) Keith H. (FAA) My adage: If it takes more than 5 versions of a software before they get it right, I don't want it in the first place. :) P.S. I've got a 5 1/4 diskdrive on my machine. That should tell you something about how we work around here. The unfortunate thing is, my CD-ROM drive won't read wax cylinders. :( From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Mar 20 21:29:14 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:29:14 EST Subject: BOC: Playback 7" w/BOC notes Message-ID: This may be of some interest to BOC collectors, though there is no actual BOC music on it. It is a promo 7" on what seems to be a series of Columbia releases called Playback--it has 3 groups/songs on each side, which are Jeff Beck, Firesign Theatre, Mylon, Mahavishnu Orch w/J. McLaughlin, Grootna and Lesley Duncan. But inside the main outside sleeve is an inner sorta mini gate-fold sleeve w/photos and notes on other Columbia artists called "producer rap", written by Murray Krugman, and one of those little write-ups is on BOC, w/a picture of and comments by Buck, and seems to have been released just prior to the release of Tyrrany, as Buck only mentions tunes from the first album and boasts about how heavy the upcoming album will be. I don't think I need this (though I haven't played the actual record yet to check the other groups), so if anyone's interested in a trade, let me know... Chuck From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sat Mar 20 22:39:59 1999 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Patrick Cordiner) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 13:39:59 +1000 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) Message-ID: ---------- From: Stephan Spiegel To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) Date: Sunday, March 21, 1999 10:30 AM No two snow flakes are identical. No two Chef's use the exact mixture of spices when cooking. What tastes great to one, may not to the other. If every time Hawkwind did the song EXACTLY like the last time it was recorded, where would the excitement be? Besides, how long did each member last in the band, before he was replaced? Different Musicians, different angles. That's why I LOVE this band so much... Pssst.. I don't won't to be the administrators snitch but Steve, you're writing in HTML. (At least that's how my program reads it) -Patrick From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sat Mar 20 22:41:53 1999 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Patrick Cordiner) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 13:41:53 +1000 Subject: OFF:10 MOST HATED Message-ID: : Andrew Apold > Date: Sunday, March 21, 1999 9:42 AM > > At 01:56 PM 3/20/99 +0000, you wrote: > >OK, I've given this some thought, and they would be; > > > >The Beatles > > One of Lemmy's favorite bands. He claims McCartney as > his biggest bass-playing influence, and named him as one > of his top bass players ever... OH MY GOD I THINK I JUST LOST MY LUNCH, McCartney!!!Pahlease!! Lemmy better not be including Wings material when he said that. -Patrick From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sat Mar 20 22:44:16 1999 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Patrick Cordiner) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 13:44:16 +1000 Subject: BOTF Message-ID: --------- > From: J Strobridge > Date: Sunday, March 21, 1999 9:54 AM > > Actually I'm rather of the opinion that all the ambient tracks on It > Is the Biz of the Future to be Dangerous are much better on the CD > than they are live. This is rare for me since I usually prefer live > versions of Hawkwind's studio albums but in this instance I'd say that > only Space is Their Palestine has transferred successfully to a live > format. Also, I suspect that if Hawkwind did play Tibet Is Not China > as a live track it would simply be the recorded version on a background > tape (or however such things are generated on stage these days - my > total technological ignorance surfaces here and thrashes around a bit) > rather than the band actually performing it. So I think even an audio > tape wouldn't give you much that was new. > Ah, thanks for the info I've always suspected that was the case, but after hearing the live version of `Assasins' on Love in Space I had faith that some of the rest of BOTF could be brought to the stage. Oh, well -Patrick From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sat Mar 20 22:46:46 1999 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Patrick Cordiner) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 13:46:46 +1000 Subject: ADMIN/OFF: What's happened? Message-ID: > DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: > > > someone here has said they get two copies of everything i send..this cant be > > utterly true, or else everyone would have sent my computer destruct-viruses > > for sending TWO of you-know-what.... > > > > but do people here sometimes get simultaneous duplicates from me? if this is > > so i believe it involves my choices of "reply" and 'reply all". in the case > > of "reply all" you are apparently receiving one to YOUR address and another > > via BOC-L. > Wierd, 'cause although everyone else is getting doubles of your postings I only get the one. I'm using `Internet Mail' the dodgy program that comes with Microshaft 95. -Patrick From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sat Mar 20 22:50:46 1999 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Patrick Cordiner) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 13:50:46 +1000 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) Message-ID: ---------- > From: andrew > Date: Sunday, March 21, 1999 5:50 AM > Whilst avoiding the temptation to get into Kant and the pre-judgemental (in > terms of the intellect) nature of aesthetic judgement in his Critique of > Judgement, let's go with him a little way and accept that aesthetic > judgement is something common to all (as opposed to intellectual (snip) Hahahaha.. I love this list! Goes from childish discussions of which bands are crap and unfair mudslinging at a certain person to the finer points of Kantian philosophy within a couple of hours! (and a welcome change I might add). -PAtrick From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sat Mar 20 22:52:25 1999 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Patrick Cordiner) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 13:52:25 +1000 Subject: Band bagging Message-ID: --------- > From: William Duffy > Date: Sunday, March 21, 1999 3:31 AM > > > the majority of Alan Parsons. > > The very, very hard to find Tales Of Mystery & Imagination is brilliant. The > rest of his stuff is rather average. That's exactly the album which got me into Alan, I cannot fault it. I, Robot is also passable, it's just a shame that the rest went of into popville. -Patrick From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Sat Mar 20 23:53:56 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:53:56 -0600 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) Message-ID: > From: andrew > Date: Sunday, March 21, 1999 5:50 AM > Whilst avoiding the temptation to get into Kant and the pre-judgemental (in > terms of the intellect) nature of aesthetic judgement in his Critique of > Judgement, let's go with him a little way and accept that aesthetic > judgement is something common to all (as opposed to intellectual Could someone explain this in lay-mens terms? :))) HM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From des at SUPERLINK.NET Sat Mar 20 22:55:24 1999 From: des at SUPERLINK.NET (E F) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:55:24 -0400 Subject: A Train Kept A Rollin' Message-ID: I think this forward to the list makes up for any perceived wrong that Larry has done. It's a bold admission of fault and it made me laugh. Peace. --Eric On 20-Mar-99, Jsexbomb at aol.com says to me: > Wouldn't be by chance referring to that demented email I sent you a while > back of the guy getting hit by the train? Geez! What did you do send it to > a group of people and now you're in email hell??? > > My favorite of the bunch was the guy referring to you a child playing by > the hornet's nest with a big stick... > -- Rise to claim Saturn- Ring and Sky From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Mar 21 00:58:46 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 05:58:46 +0000 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: <001d01be7356$d54c9460$62f6050c@hawkwind> Message-ID: At 22:53 20/03/99 -0600, you wrote: > >> >> > From: andrew >> > Date: Sunday, March 21, 1999 5:50 AM >> > Whilst avoiding the temptation to get into Kant and the pre-judgemental >> (in >> > terms of the intellect) nature of aesthetic judgement in his Critique of >> > Judgement, let's go with him a little way and accept that aesthetic >> > judgement is something common to all (as opposed to intellectual > > Could someone explain this in lay-mens terms?? :))) errm, okay: i was messing about with some philosophy to prove that Doremi is not of no "absolute musical value" but was in fact the musical value (along with SR and ISOS) by which we subsequently judge HW. As a result it becxomes, if you will, the ideal HW, against which everything else is an imperfect copy and what we are discussing is the closeness of our fave non-ideal HW to the ideal HW in feeling or sound. Or something. Actually, i'm not sure what i meant. as lemmy put it: "sunrise, wrong side of another day, sky high and 6000 miles away". i'm off to bed andrew "i say what comes to my mind" - The Buzzcocks 'Boredom' From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sun Mar 21 01:16:49 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 01:16:49 -0500 Subject: Call to close the open season on Larry/DASLUD In-Reply-To: <918d9578.36f451a3@aol.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: =>but to the extent i would like to attempt to participate amongst you i will =>reduce the harshness. be sure to let me know if and when you feel i have =>failed to do this. 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LB From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Sun Mar 21 05:40:07 1999 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 11:40:07 +0100 Subject: ADMIN/OFF: What's happened? In-Reply-To: <199903210208.VAA05806@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: Keith Henderson wrote: >By the way, I hate Eudora. I used to do email on old 286's (the only thing >I'm just a dumb geochemist anyway, and have never owned a computer. The >ones I use at work are always hand-me-downs (always two generations >old...now *finally* a Pentium I at least, though with Windows 3.11 still). OK, I have info what system you use. If you hate Eudora (the newest 3.x light version is less clumsy than the older), try with 16-bit Pegasus 3.01, or find the 16-bit Internet Explorer 3.03, with bundled Internet Mail (very recommended if you don't want to mess too much with the program). All these versions are freeware, and have filtering. >I don't think so. I don't want to filter anything anyway. I 'filter' what >I want by not reading it. Keeping up with the Jonses in the computer world >is not my bag...in fact, I tend to resist only but the most substantive It looks you got a wrong impression from my reply what filtering is about. :-) It's a very neat feature. Not (only) for deleting unsolicited mail and twits, but more likely for filing the posts from mailing lists in appropriate folders, when you download mail. For example, you make a folder with a name BOC-L, and setup the all posts with header To:BOC-L to go in that folder, instead Inbox. Otherwise, if you are subscribed to more than one mailing list, the Inbox contents become a nightmare. I think you can manage it easily, or get a help from some colleague of yours how to set it up. Anyway, I would be glad to help you (of course, in private mail); normally, first get one of those programs I mentioned in the first paragraph. -- Goran From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Mar 21 05:42:15 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 10:42:15 +0000 Subject: Call to close the open mouth of Larry/DASLUD In-Reply-To: <918d9578.36f451a3@aol.com> Message-ID: In article <918d9578.36f451a3 at aol.com>, DASLUD at AOL.COM writes > > and i wanna kick the english twit's ass and say "spare me your f***ing >computer geekness! why am i agonizing over type onscreen from strangers who DO >NOT GIVE A FLYING F**K ABOUT ME!! >THIS IS THE WORLD I LIVE IN!!!" Yeah, yeah, meet my dead junkie sister. Kiss my diabetes. Hey, here's my dad who died in an asylum. Gee Dad, you used to be so smart and now I have to wipe your ass. Here's my kid brother who I was legal guardian of between ages seven and grown, he's just become a father on Monday. Let's tell Mum, oh we can't, she disappeared 20 years ago. et bleeding cetera. Big hairy deal, Larry, we all have lives. Get over yourself and grow up. You sent me a movie (at my expense) of some kid getting killed. I called you a prat. The End. Instead of posting pages of cut'n'paste drivel, have you considered perhaps shutting up for a while? Or confining yourself to HW/BOC related topics for a day or two? and quit whining, Jeez. -- Jon From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Mar 21 05:57:26 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 05:57:26 EST Subject: Call to close the open mouth of Larry/DASLUD Message-ID: it's funny, a couple days ago i coulda met that tone ///right now i cant./// just as well/// From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Sun Mar 21 06:50:26 1999 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 11:50:26 -0000 Subject: IYA in UK Message-ID: Cheers - what a sad day when I can't buy the latest HW in the shops. Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Jarrett To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 20 March 1999 21:40 Subject: Re: IYA in UK >On Sat, 20 Mar 1999, Kevin Perry wrote: > >> Has anyone found anywhere (like a shop) that has IYA in the UK? I've just >> trundled round central London this afternoon and found nothing (I've also >> noticed that the HW sections in HMV and Virgin on Oxford Street are >> shrinking...) > > Shop-wise, no, but The Freak Emporium , and >CD Services have it >for mail order. Got mine from Delerium. Rather better than I had expected, >though I'll still be glad to see the back of Rizz. Yours, > Jon > >-- > /______________________________________________________________________\ > | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | > | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | > | =====================================================================| > | "Probability level 1 to 1. We have normality, I repeat, we have | > | normality. Anything you still can't deal with is therefore your own | > \_________________________ problem." ______________________________/ > \_____________/ From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sun Mar 21 06:44:31 1999 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Patrick Cordiner) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 21:44:31 +1000 Subject: The BOC-L philosophy Message-ID: When I joined this list, I thought it was a group of people ranging in ages and musical backgrounds, who had one thing in common. They had a love for Hawkwind or BOC. They were the sort of people who liked doing what I do, sitting down in their spare time, maybe having a few beers, passing a joint with a couple of friends and talking about aspects of different albums/members/phases of the band, etc. but in general revelling in music that took us beyond the boundary of the mundane music that has become the trademark of the 90's. In that spirit, I propose that we all sit back, all share an electronic joint, put on our favourite HW/BOC album, and then start arguing over which album that will be, and forget all this meaningless tripe. Peace Patrick From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Sun Mar 21 05:06:30 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 10:06:30 +0000 Subject: OFF: 10 MOST HATED Message-ID: Carl wrote; "On l?r 20 mar 1999 13.56 +0000 "Stuart Hamilton" stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK> wrote: The Beatles The Rolling Stones Queen Dude! The Beatles rock, and the other two have their moments :)" The Beatles - sloppy songwriters, poor musicians, vastly overrated. The Stones - average r'n'b band who may have been adequate were it not for that most heinous of posturing prats, Mick Jagger Queen - bandwagoneering, pompous, no morals - how could anyone tolerate them after the Live Aid / One World showboating - remember Sun City? SAH NP Roy Harper - Flashes From The Archives Of Oblivion -- Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK e-zine and freezine http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Sun Mar 21 07:35:35 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 12:35:35 +0000 Subject: HW: MICK WALL AUTOBIOGRAPHY Message-ID: I've just read a review of Mick Walls autobiography "Paranoid: Black Days With Sabbath & Other Horror Stories", which mentions; "...the drummer from Hawkwind with his long black fingernail for dipping into his bag of speed; the singer, Dave Brock, whose expression was as inscrutable as the cosmos his music purported to explore" So who was that drummer? SAH -- Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK e-zine and freezine http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Sun Mar 21 05:10:48 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 10:10:48 +0000 Subject: OFF: 10 MOST LOVED Message-ID: In no particular order, and excluding HW. Deep Purple Mks I, III and IV David Coverdale/Whitesnake 1977-1981 Ritchie Blackmores Rainbow/Rainbow/Ritchie Blackmores Rainbow/Blackmores Night Todd Rundgren/Utopia The Temptations Billy Cobham/Tommy Bolin/Jan Hammer Group AC/DC Bobby Bland Parliament/Funkadelic/Bootsys Rubber Band/George Clinton etc Motorhead SAH -- Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK e-zine and freezine http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Sun Mar 21 08:14:56 1999 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:14:56 +0100 Subject: OFF: 10 MOST LOVED In-Reply-To: <36F4C5A8.D2126F5F@connectfree.co.uk> Message-ID: Stuart Hamilton wrote: >Deep Purple Mks I, III and IV >David Coverdale/Whitesnake 1977-1981 >Ritchie Blackmores Rainbow/Rainbow/Ritchie Blackmores Rainbow/Blackmores >Night >Todd Rundgren/Utopia >The Temptations >Billy Cobham/Tommy Bolin/Jan Hammer Group >AC/DC >Bobby Bland >Parliament/Funkadelic/Bootsys Rubber Band/George Clinton etc >Motorhead With the exception of Rainbow/Whitesnake, excellent choice. I remember a Blackmore interview, where he said he couldn't stand Glenn Hughes, because Glenn was so funk-oriented, and our Richie just hates that funk. Because he is blues and classic-oriented (my comment: he loves blues and classic, but doesn't understand them too much ). Therefore, your combination of the funk kings with Richie's dreams & nightmares is a bit strange to me....... but, it's OK, anyway. -- Goran From mwood at MY-DEJANEWS.COM Sun Mar 21 10:55:28 1999 From: mwood at MY-DEJANEWS.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 07:55:28 -0800 Subject: HW: Re: The BOC-L philosophy Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Mar 1999 21:44:31 Patrick Cordiner wrote: >In that spirit, I propose that we all sit back, all >share an electronic joint, put on our favourite HW/BOC album, and then >start arguing over which album that will be, and forget all this >meaningless tripe. (inhales)...alright, who put the Microsoft in this e-joint? Though I abhor "me too"'s, here's one. obHW: Got my passport application in the mail, after waiting over a month. It arrived one day after I sent an e-mail to Mission Control asking "where the hell is my passport?" Think I've earned a little black checkmark next to my name for that one? :-) Gotta dig up some photos of me, I guess. _HW97_, here I come... MWood NP: the sound of my 1-month old daughter sleeping on my shoulder -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Mar 21 12:52:39 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 17:52:39 +0000 Subject: Call to close the open mouth of Larry/DASLUD In-Reply-To: <4464b01.36f4d096@aol.com> Message-ID: In article <4464b01.36f4d096 at aol.com>, DASLUD at AOL.COM writes >it's funny, a couple days ago i coulda met that tone ///right now i cant./// >just as well/// What tone? Oh, I'm sorry I'm a "fucking geek", please come over and "kick my English ass" when you're feeling better. Anytime you want to take your foot out of your mouth is fine. -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Mar 21 12:57:11 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 17:57:11 +0000 Subject: HW : Nik did secret gig in London..... Message-ID: forwarded from a conversation I'm having on the Cardiacs list: Hey >>Hawkwind fans, Nik Turner turned up at the Cardiacs gig last night, he >>was actually playing upstairs, had a great chat with him during >>soundcheck...... > >ARRRAGH! > >Nik does London gig not mentioned on HW list shock? > >In what incarnation? Fabulous All-Stars? > No, it was a 46,000 Fibres gig - and yes, a well kept secret! >Sean >-- >organ So who are 46,000 Fibres then? Why were we not told?!?!? -- Jon From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sun Mar 21 15:22:15 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 15:22:15 EST Subject: OFF: IYA in UK Message-ID: In a message dated 99-03-21 06:49:34 EST, you write: << Cheers - what a sad day when I can't buy the latest HW in the shops. >> ---It's all relative. You could live in the US, where most HW fans haven't _seen_ a latest HW in...what, 5 years? :) Chuck From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Mar 21 15:25:45 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 20:25:45 -0000 Subject: BOC: Meltzer's POV In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990320144132.0068e2f8@mail1.wizvax.net> Message-ID: > My favorite part of the strange excursion was description of the crowds > there and his view on BOC (post BOC) and BOC (SWU/SFG era). Wild > vaniness. > Was the manager he referred to Pearlman perhaps? > Jason I think it must be. "Rock'n'roll manager rips off his friends and confidantes" shock horror! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Mar 21 15:25:47 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 20:25:47 -0000 Subject: HW: MICK WALL AUTOBIOGRAPHY In-Reply-To: <36F4E797.8851448B@connectfree.co.uk> Message-ID: > "...the drummer from Hawkwind with his long black fingernail for dipping > into his bag of speed; the singer, Dave Brock, whose expression was as > inscrutable as the cosmos his music purported to explore" > > So who was that drummer? My money's on Simon King... - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Mar 21 15:25:48 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 20:25:48 -0000 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Why do people love Live 79 so much? Not entirely sure. In context, its origins were a time after the Hawklords broke up, and after the Charisma contract had been fulfilled with _PXR5_, when Dave had phoned up some mates and started a new Hawkwind. Who were without a contract. But they still managed to put on a big UK tour with lasers and stuff, and Dave recorded some of the shows, and after the tour, "hawked" the tapes round a few record companies. Meanwhile, Doug (who was also managing Motorhead and Girlschool) signed them all up to Bronze as a package deal, and in due course, _Live 1979_ in the form we know it came out. My main disappointment at the time was that there was so little new material on it, as they'd premiered "Levitation", "The War" and probably some other stuff too, on that tour, and instead we got yet another "Brainstorm" and "Master". (Can't remember, did they also do "Psi-Power" on that tour? I know they did it a lot in the next few years.) The "Context" argument also makes a lot of sense, in that the "Spirit" played on that tour just sort of struck me as "wrong". Anyway, it was always (to me) a sort of "marking time" album, not a "real" album, more of an official bootleg, I guess. And they were obviously saving most of the new material for _Levitation_. My favourite track is the track not actually on the album, but on the b-side of the single, "Urban Guerrilla" (and now on about fifty compilation albums). And of course I've got one of the rare versions, with the wrong address for Brian Tawn on it :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Mar 21 15:25:50 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 20:25:50 -0000 Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip In-Reply-To: <168026.3130940860@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: Carl said > Actually, it has been my perception that liking Hawkwind [...] > lose street cred in the UK (being perceived of as old drug-adled > nutters who play one chord songs for half-an-hour at a go to > untrendy bikers). Or such is the vibe I get. That is a hugely accurate statement. (You're just getting acclimatised and you're about to bugger off! :) OTOH, a few years ago, I was watching some bozo program, probably on MTV, in which people in the street were asked what they were listening to on their Walkmans (Walkmen?), and this black dude, who you'd have expected from his general dress and demeanour to say "Public Enemy" or something (this *was* a few years ago), said "Hawkwind"! Sadly they didn't pursue it. > Ah, and by the time I heard it, it was all over MTV, > the trend-hoppers were there, and I had to hate it. You'll know when you're really secure in your musical tastes, when you can buy a top ten album *just because you like it*, and not be embarrassed by it... :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Sun Mar 21 15:41:59 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Gekke Henkie) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 21:41:59 +0100 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: <000b01be73d9$019fcd20$643f63c3@default> Message-ID: > > Why do people love Live 79 so much? It was one of the first HW-albums I heard, maybe that's why. > > And of course I've got one of the rare versions, with the wrong address > for Brian Tawn on it :) What wrong address? --BArt From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Mar 21 15:44:21 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 20:44:21 -0000 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > And of course I've got one of the rare versions, with the wrong address > > for Brian Tawn on it :) > What wrong address? It's not in front of me, but I think it's that the street number is 19 when it should be 29. I think his neighbours knew where to forward all the mail, though! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Sun Mar 21 15:49:34 1999 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 13:49:34 -0700 Subject: Call to close the open mouth of Larry/DASLUD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A suggestion, or a plea maybe, to all: Please direct personal e-mails, especially personal attacks, to that person, offline, and not to the list. I myself don't want to be subjected to "Fuck you" "Oh yeah, fuck you too, asshole" when I read my mail. Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Mar 21 16:16:19 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 16:16:19 EST Subject: Call to close Message-ID: In a message dated 3/21/99 12:53:47 PM, jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK writes: <> seems to me i've tried about 3 times in a row to round this off but you come back with a heavier hand...at this point, what the fuck is it that you want? do i owe you money? in addition to its content, were people here financially assaulted by my sending of the avi? did anyone's machines get hurt? it was the nasty sarcasm on your part >>>intended to hurt and nothing else<<< which earned you the title "fucking geek" much less "twit"....yeah yeah i shoot my sometimes ill-advised mouth off on all kindsa MUSICAL/SOCIOCULTURAL/POLITICAL shit but i think you'd better check>>> subjective interpretations notwithstanding i have not ladled sarcastic scorn on any PERSON here like you did on me yesterday. i've been worried sick about this idiotic bullshit. you think i'm kidding. you think i'm feeling sorry for myself. I submitted the anecdote from my job yesterday because i thought it provided some perspective. i care about that person . i personally saved her job a second time yesterday. made me think to feel so bad about mere words onscreen was dumb....what i said in regards to you was FIGURATIVE LANGUAGE, as someone else figured out hours ago in their response. and in return, more scorn, more derision, more sarcasm from you...guess you didnt think much of the "cut-and-paste drivel" either, huh? to be exact, it's "clip-and-toss drivel". i take little clips off the screen and literally "toss" them at a page; i don't know where they'll end up, which begins to cause permutations as they land on each other...isnt that just as artistic as heck of me? i'm reminded of the wm burroughs approach, and using certain groups of phrases might lead to something which is "sensed" more than "read". (jon: insert sarcasm/scorn/derision HERE) then again, as das ludicroix says...."or else it's all a bunch of crap" mr. brooks has my po box address. so do heller/anderson/pospeich/parr/larson if the perceived insult of my sending train.avi to BOC-L was augmented by unreasonable download telephone charges---i doubt a computer could be injured by it---please contact them for my address and i'll send you up to $5.00....if i believe you. >>>i had emailed and received various pictures and trade lists , back and forth, with no problem, prior to joining BOC-L. at the time of my sending train.avi to BOC-L i had no possible reason to believe i couldnt send it like i'd sent anything else in the barely-three months i'd been online. is that "feeling sorry for myself" or is that the truth? so now, i think YOU should hush up, jon. you and i could probably have some interesting communication in some other context. in the probably limited time i remain here i will be mostly quiet (so i say now). please.you won. it's done. lb From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Sun Mar 21 16:23:49 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Gekke Henkie) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 22:23:49 +0100 Subject: Call to close In-Reply-To: <34354b03.36f561a3@aol.com> Message-ID: Guys, knock it off, you're making me sick. Get pissed at eachother in private. Thanks, --BArt From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Sun Mar 21 16:32:05 1999 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 16:32:05 EST Subject: Call to close the open mouth of Larry/DASLUD Message-ID: Hey Kevin, stop subjecting me to these naughty words!! =0) bob In a message dated 3/21/99 3:49:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM writes: > A suggestion, or a plea maybe, to all: Please direct personal e-mails, > especially personal attacks, to that person, offline, and not to the list. > I myself don't want to be subjected to "Fuck you" "Oh yeah, fuck you too, > asshole" when I read my mail. > > Kevin Sommers > > primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu > > > From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Sun Mar 21 17:09:03 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 16:09:03 -0600 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated Message-ID: Andrew Apold wrote: > > >> ah, that song never bothered me. I marginally prefer it to most of > >> the others of that vein, including "Marshall Plan", "Shooting Star", > >> etc. > > >"Shooting Shark" is a beautifully written song, great lyrics, GREAT > >guitar work, for a Cult band B?C has one of the greatest pop artists I > >have ever heard in one Buck Dharma. I think you could easily compare > >"Shooting Shark" to songs like "I Love the Night", "Deadline",the entire > >Flat Out Album, and most definitely "Harvest Moon" from HF, and a few > >more that escape my mind right now :-). > > I don't mind Shooting Shark at all. But I was talking about songs of > the "kid discovers guitar, becomes hero and (maybe) dies" variety, and > referring to Bad Company's "Shooting Star", not BOC's "Shooting Shark". > > ============================= > "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to > be subject to the works of those mighty > among dreamers." > > - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" > > Andrew Apold Ah gotch ya, never heard "Shooting Star". Though "Marshal Plan" isn't really trademark B?C, I really kinda like those "I Love Rockin' Roll" tunes (to much Kiss maybe), I'm taking it you probably don't care for "R.U. Ready to Rock" either :-). Laj. From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Sun Mar 21 17:17:38 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 16:17:38 -0600 Subject: OFF; 10 most hated/Cobain/Tea Party Message-ID: Stephen Swann wrote: > > Laj Waldner writes: > > > > Though I would have to recommend the bottom four to anybody: > > 1. Green Day > > 2. Our Lady Peace > > 3. The Tragically Hip > > 4. Stone Temple Pilots (these guys DO rock!) > > Laj, I have to commend you on your taste in recommending The > Hip, but... they didn't debut in the 90's. :-) > > Steve > swann at plutonia.com Ah well, 3 out of 4 ain't bad :-). Laj. From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Sun Mar 21 17:54:41 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 16:54:41 -0600 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) Message-ID: > Could someone explain this in lay-mens terms? :))) errm, okay: i was messing about with some philosophy to prove that Doremi is not of no "absolute musical value" but was in fact the musical value (along with SR and ISOS) by which we subsequently judge HW. As a result it becxomes, if you will, the ideal HW, against which everything else is an imperfect copy and what we are discussing is the closeness of our fave non-ideal HW to the ideal HW in feeling or sound. Or something. Actually, i'm not sure what i meant. as lemmy put it: "sunrise, wrong side of another day, sky high and 6000 miles away". i'm off to bed andrew OK. I understand now. Doremi was the first HW Album I ever heard, from my friend Mark Kaczmarek in college (1975). And I have to say it's the one Album imbedded in my head as "Hawkwind". Warrior was also excellent in terms of a "different" journey... But "Space Metal" wise....Doremi is my fav. I'll try and follow a little closer next time... I get so many e-mails a day, it's hard to keep up sometimes.. :) Hawkman. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Mar 21 21:55:59 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 02:55:59 +0000 Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip Message-ID: On s?n 21 mar 1999 20.25 +0000 "Andy Gilham" wrote: >> Ah, and by the time I heard it, it was all over MTV, >> the trend-hoppers were there, and I had to hate it. > > You'll know when you're really secure in your musical tastes, when you can > buy a top ten album *just because you like it*, and not be embarrassed by > it... :) Well, I was 17 :) I bought Metallica's black album though. I'm pretty sure that was top ten :) or top 40 at least. And I saw SpiceWorld in the theatre :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Mar 21 21:59:18 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 02:59:18 +0000 Subject: OFF: 10 MOST HATED Message-ID: On s?n 21 mar 1999 10.06 +0000 "Stuart Hamilton" wrote: > The Beatles - sloppy songwriters, poor musicians, vastly overrated. Yeah, but I liked a lot of their records anyway. I _was_ born after they broke up :) > The Stones - average r'n'b band who may have been adequate were it not > for that most heinous of posturing prats, Mick Jagger I never bought any of their albums, but they have some songs I like :) > Queen - bandwagoneering, pompous, no morals - how could anyone tolerate > them after the Live Aid / One World showboating - remember Sun City? I never bought any of their albums either, but ... this is rock'n'roll and we're going to worry about people being pompous and amoral!? ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From flossbac at NLCI.COM Sun Mar 21 22:16:41 1999 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (John Majka) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 22:16:41 -0500 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Wow...people have widely varying opinions about "Live 79" apparently! I have always HATED "Lighthouse" and thought it was execrable crap, nor did I care for Tim Blake's extremely overrated synth playing. I'm so glad he left the band in a timely manner! However, having said that, I think that "Live 79" is a fine album, as the rest of the members more than make up for Tim's ummm.....cheesy playing style. I particularly like the version of "Motorway City" on this album; the flanger on Brock's guitar at the beginning of the track is great! And I also find Huw's lead stuff on "Spirit of the Age" really inspired. John Majka flossbac at nlci.com From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Sun Mar 21 22:41:52 1999 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 22:41:52 EST Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) Message-ID: "Live 79" never, and I repeat never made it into heavy rotation on my turntable, I thought it was a generally lackluster effort at capturing Hawkwind at their finest: live, although it isn't a terrible LP, it for me has nothing to draw me into listening to it again. It possibly got spun at 33-1/3 twice at best. As far as the timely exodus of Tim Blake from the band (as per last post by John), I repeat the the word: Amen! It was to my wonderful relief to hear the next two RCA LP's when they came out, as the Hawks exit the Baker/Blake era......... bob From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sun Mar 21 23:04:01 1999 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Patrick Cordiner) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:04:01 +1000 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) Message-ID: > From: John Majka > Date: Monday, March 22, 1999 1:16 PM > > Wow...people have widely varying opinions about "Live 79" apparently! I > have always HATED "Lighthouse" and thought it was execrable crap, nor did I > care for Tim Blake's extremely overrated synth playing. I'm so glad he > left the band in a timely manner! I actually don't mind `Lighthouse' at all, but I think in the context of HW's playing around that time it isn't that bad. Compared to say Palace Springs, or Hawklords Live (which I think are the surrounding live albums but don't quote me) Tim Blake was (thankfully) balanced out by Ginger Baker. -Patrick From mordru at FLITE.NET Mon Mar 22 00:41:28 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 00:41:28 -0500 Subject: OFF: 10 Most hated In-Reply-To: <36F56DFF.F4861D73@dlcwest.com> Message-ID: >Ah gotch ya, never heard "Shooting Star". Though "Marshal Plan" isn't >really trademark B?C, I really kinda like those "I Love Rockin' Roll" >tunes (to much Kiss maybe), I'm taking it you probably don't care for >"R.U. Ready to Rock" either :-). No, I love it.... and not in that same way, either.... I've always felt it somehow belonged into the Imaginos cycle, and picture a scene in the future, where some great calamity or cataclysm is hanging over everyone's heads, an impending doom or something, and during this a concert is held, perhaps by the imaginos character directly.... "Everybody's praying" "To the station of night" and "ain't gonna get those countdown blues" as the time grows increasingly short. What happens then, I dunno, not in the context of that song. Imaginos always seems to be there when things go bad, though, so his being there (this is all conjecture on idle speculation on my part) can't be a good sign. ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From StevenTice at AOL.COM Mon Mar 22 01:23:44 1999 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 01:23:44 EST Subject: BOC R.U. Ready/Imaginos Message-ID: In a message dated 3/22/99 12:43:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, mordru at FLITE.NET writes: << >"R.U. Ready to Rock" either :-). No, I love it.... and not in that same way, either.... I've always felt it somehow belonged into the Imaginos cycle, and picture a scene in the future, where some great calamity or cataclysm is hanging over everyone's heads, an impending doom or something, and during this a concert is held, perhaps by the imaginos character directly.... "Everybody's praying" "To the station of night" and "ain't gonna get those countdown blues" as the time grows increasingly short. What happens then, I dunno, not in the context of that song. Imaginos always seems to be there when things go bad, though, so his being there (this is all conjecture on idle speculation on my part) can't be a good sign. >> ------- And don't forget the line that most obviously connects the tale to Imaginos: "I only live to be born again" I believe the FAQ lists R.U. Ready 2 Rock as a song intended for the third and final portion of the tale...don't have it with me to check at the moment... SET From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Mar 22 02:36:44 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 07:36:44 -0000 Subject: BOC/OFF: I remember in the good ole days (was repercussions) In-Reply-To: <248103.3130942192@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > > Aren't some of the tBS songs fairly recent collaborations > with Meltzer? One gets the feeling there is still a great > deal of bad blood in the Oyster World ... > There's some interesting stories to be told, I'm sure. Don't know who's gonna tell 'em, though... One thing that occurs: if Richard made an arse of himself at the Roeser wedding in 1973-ish, and they didn't speak afterwards, then when was "Burnin' For You" written? Was it already an old song when it appeared on _Fire..._? - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 22 04:20:00 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:20:00 +0000 Subject: BOC/OFF: I remember in the good ole days (was repercussions) Message-ID: On m?n 22 mar 1999 07.36 +0000 "Andy Gilham" wrote: > One thing that occurs: if Richard made an arse of himself at the Roeser > wedding in 1973-ish, and they didn't speak afterwards, then when was > "Burnin' For You" written? Was it already an old song when it appeared on > _Fire..._? Ah, I think I remember hearing Al saying there was a different, early version demo'd for _Agents_. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Mar 22 00:15:05 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 05:15:05 +0000 Subject: TRAIN KEPT A' ROLLIN Message-ID: Geez, kinda glad I missed this whole thing. -- Nick From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Mon Mar 22 05:43:57 1999 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:43:57 +0000 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Yeah, '76 so its just before the others i mentioned; i excluded it because >- no matter what a great song i think Steppenwolf is - i don't like it all >that much. Er, hmm, okay, because it seems to rest at the transitional axis >of 70s HW (just as to my ears L79 is the transitional axis of 80s HW) and >as a result is largely directionless and pretty patchy. IMO, the best version of Steppenwolf was the live '82 era version, with Nik doing a superb vocal slot!! (on the mixer tape of chippenham 82) Isn't it about time that the mighty Dr. Technical released a fuul gig from the November '82 tour? Guy Thomas From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 22 06:34:35 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:34:35 GMT Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:56:02 -0000 Message-ID: > > Yeah, they do sometimes, don't they? Especially those sort of > > gimmicky hits, that people either love or hate. And too often, for > > better or worse, that's what people will remember you for. Remember > > Hawkwind "blowing up" the Silver Machine? (Which is unfortunate, > > because that was shaping up to be one of the best versions ever). :-) I agree that Brainstorm on Live '79 is a pretty naff version. The first side of the album is good but the second side should have been: Urban Guerilla World of Tiers New Jerusalem Silver Machine Levitation FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 22 06:40:21 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:40:21 GMT Subject: The Weird CD-Rs In-Reply-To: Kevin Sommers's message of Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:19:50 -0700 Message-ID: Kevin Sommers writes: > A fantastic idea! > > > Waiting For The Man from Corridor of Flame to the Roundhouse 77 tracks. > > I would suggest adding also "Time For Sale" from either the 1st edition of > Corridor Of Flame or Atomhenge '76. Yes, that's a Good Plan. > > The listings below are what Jill and I came up with. This would amount > > to 3 CDR80#s and two CDR74's. > Actually all you need is 5 "74" min CD-Rs, as I've been able to record up to > 76 min 30 sec on blanks (from various manufacturers - I've tried it on > Kodak, Memorex and Mitsui). Does this work with pretty much any CD-74? Presumably you simply ignore the warnings from the proggie and burn 'em anyway? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 22 06:41:28 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:41:28 GMT Subject: OFF; 10 most hated/Cobain/Tea Party In-Reply-To: BREVARD, Adrian R.'s message of Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:34:38 -0800 Message-ID: BREVARD, Adrian R. writes: > Bands I dislike (since we are debating the merits of the word hate) > > 70's bands - > Any band with long hair, wearing spandex/leather/makeup, excessive posing > and doesn't go by the name of Kiss Awww c'mon. The Sweet and Chicory Tip were excellent bands. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 22 06:51:08 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:51:08 GMT Subject: OFF: London visit In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:39:59 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hi > > I am visiting with my wife London next week for 3 days (24.3 - 26.3) > > Can you UK (London) folks help me with some hints where I could get some > good and rare HAWKWIND stuff, especially tapes and posters and maybe teeshirts Here's the trail I used to take in central London. Some of the shops may no longer be there and you may want to ignore the branches of the commercial outlets. To do the lot you need a Zone 6 day pass for the Tube if I remember correctly. Start at Kings Cross -------------------- Metropolitan Line West to Ladbroke Grove ---------------------------------------- {cross to Portobello Road and turn left, checking market stalls} Honest Jon's, 278 Portobello Road Youngblood, 297 Portobello Road (almost opposite Honest Jon's) Vinyl Solution, 231 Portobello Road Plastic Passion, 2 Bleinheim Crescent (off Portobello Road) Rough Trade, 130 Talbot Road (off Portobello Road) {turn right at bottom of Portobello Road} Record & Tape Exchange, 28 Pembridge Road {turn right at end of Pembridge Road for Our Price} {turn left at end of Pembridge road for Book/CD shop and tube} => Notting Hill Gate District Line South to Kensington High Street --------------------------------------------- { commercial record shop on way to Tower records} Tower Records, 62-64 Kensington High Street {Other side 51 Kensington High street is a market} => Kensington High Street District Line South to Wimbledon -------------------------------- Big Star, 130 The Broadway {walk down the Broadway and Merton Road to South Wimbledon Tube} => South Wimbledon Northern Line NorthEast to Balham --------------------------------- Magic Mixture Records, 31 Bedford Hill Record Corner, 27 Bedford Hill => Balham Northern Line NorthEast to Clapham Common ----------------------------------------- Zippo Music, 39 Clapham Common => Clapham Common Northern Line Northeast to Angel -------------------------------- Our Price in Upper Street Reckless Records, 79 Upper Street => Angel Northern Line NorthWest to Camden Town -------------------------------------- Camden Market, Camden High Street Out on The Floor, 234 Camden High Street Rhythm Records, 281 Camden High Street Record & Tape Exchange, 229 Camden High Street Rock On, 3 Kentish Town Road Vinyl Experience, 3 Buck Street (Near camden Market) => Camden Town Tube Northern Line South to Leicester Square --------------------------------------- {Walk up on left on Charing Cross Road towards Tottenham Court Road} {Turn left before Shaftesbury Avenue for Steve Sounds in a back Street} {Turn left on Shaftesbury avenue then right on Rupert Street} Cheapo, Cheapo Records, 53 Rupert Street {Head up Rupert Street, checking market into Berwick Street} Reckless Records, 30 Berwick Street Cross from Berwick Street to Wardour Street {St Anne's Court is a small lane between wardour St and Dean St} Shades Records Basement, 12 St Anne's Court {Head up Dean Street into Oxford Street} Virgin, 8-16 Oxford Street {Go to end of Oxford St, Turn left up Tottenham court Road} Our Price, on left {Turn left around here for Hanway Street} Vinyl Experience, 20 Hanway Street On The Beat, 22 Hanway Street Rocks Off. 36 Hanway Street {Back into Oxford Street, turn right} HMV Main Branch, 150 Oxford Street {keep going on Oxford Street towards Marble Arch} HMV in Oxford St near Marble Arch => Marble Arch Central Line East to Oxford Circus Change for Bakerloo Line South for Picadilly Circus --------------------------------------------------- Tower Records has entrance in Tube Station {Cross to Coventry Street for Our Price near Trocadero Centre} => Picadilly Circus to finish. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Mar 22 07:04:35 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 12:04:35 -0000 Subject: OFF: London visit In-Reply-To: <199903221151.LAA17387@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > Cheapo, Cheapo Records, 53 Rupert Street > {Head up Rupert Street, checking market into Berwick Street} > Reckless Records, 30 Berwick Street > Cross from Berwick Street to Wardour Street > {St Anne's Court is a small lane between wardour St and Dean St} > Shades Records Basement, 12 St Anne's Court > {Head up Dean Street into Oxford Street} Gee, Shades hasn't existed for nearly ten years! ("Choci's Chewns" - I think that's how they spell it - are there now.) Take a look in Selectadisc in Berwick Street as well - not so much in the way of old collectibles, but a very good range on contemporary stuff at good prices. And Reckless now have two branches in Berwick St, one of which is devoted to soul and dance, so presumably you'll want the other one. - Andy ObCD: Pan American - _Pan American_ mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Mar 22 07:08:44 1999 From: age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Adrian Parr) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 12:08:44 -0000 Subject: NIK Gig Message-ID: Hey guys, once a train starts to roll - it ain't half hard to bloody stop. I know Jon in person and Larry by written communique for much longer. So how about meeting midway folks. Iceland perhaps. Entertainment has never been so fine. Golden Oscars. Wooden Spoons? Regarding the Nik Turner gig. Nik has played occasionally with the band 46000 Fibres during the last year i think. 46000 are an instrumental, improvisation outfit from London and are Tonal D on synths, Leon Maurice Jones on drums, Nick Rowan on guitar, Simon Bernal on bass, double bass etc. They're also ocassionally joined by guest Nik Turner and Lol Coxhill on sax. The only CD i know about is called Diaphanous, on MTB. Nik did a gig with them in London last November, though i can't find the info i was sent from T.D, who also was in the band The Innerpropriates, who Nik guested with on an album they did in the 1980's, which incidentely has recently (last year) been released on CD. Check em out, invite Jon and Larry along. GOTTA STAY COOL FOLKS All the best.....Age http://www.conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk/index.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Go to the junction of Oxford Street and Tottenham Court road. Go north up Tottenham Court Road staying on the west side. Walk past the rip-off Virgin place and after a typical (of the area) video/electronics shop there is a small alleyway going off to your left. Walk down here staying on the north side and about half way along is a 2nd hand place which I admit I haven't been to for a long time but when I was still collecting vinyl, I saw things like the Atomhenge 7" and original SR there. Anyone got any more recent (last 12 months for example) info on whether this place is worth visiting? Mark >Take a look in Selectadisc in Berwick Street as well - not so much in the >way of old collectibles, but a very good range on contemporary stuff at good >prices. > Andy From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 22 07:42:17 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 12:42:17 +0000 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) Message-ID: On m?n 22 mar 1999 14.04 +1000 "Patrick Cordiner" wrote: > I actually don't mind `Lighthouse' at all, but I think in the context of > HW's playing around that time it isn't that bad. Compared to say Palace > Springs, or Hawklords Live (which I think are the surrounding live albums > but don't quote me) Tim Blake was (thankfully) balanced out by Ginger > Baker. Too late, I've quoted you ;) Palace Spring is from 89/90 ... many moons and several live albums after _Live 79_. One of my favorite albums, too :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 22 07:42:26 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 12:42:26 GMT Subject: OFF: London visit In-Reply-To: Mark Edmonds's message of Mon, 22 Mar 1999 12:34:00 GMT Message-ID: Mark Edmonds writes: > From: Mark Edmonds > Date: 1999-03-22 12:34 > > I was just about to mention Selactadisc - pretty good central London > prices for new releases as well as bin ends - I don't think they do 2nd > hand anymore. > > There is another place - don't know the name or the street name but its > easy to find. > > Go to the junction of Oxford Street and Tottenham Court road. Go north up > Tottenham Court Road staying on the west side. Walk past the rip-off > Virgin place and after a typical (of the area) video/electronics shop > there is a small alleyway going off to your left. Walk down here staying > on the north side and about half way along is a 2nd hand place which I > admit I haven't been to for a long time but when I was still collecting > vinyl, I saw things like the Atomhenge 7" and original SR there. There's a couple of record shops in Hanway Street in fact. FoFP From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Mon Mar 22 07:38:42 1999 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Patrick Cordiner) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:38:42 +1000 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) Message-ID: ---------- > From: Carl Edlund Anderson > Subject: Re: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) > Too late, I've quoted you ;) > Palace Spring is from 89/90 ... many moons and several live > albums after _Live 79_. One of my favorite albums, too :) > So what is the next official live HW album (just for comparative purposes against '79)?? -Patrick From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 22 08:01:45 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:01:45 +0000 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) Message-ID: On m?n 22 mar 1999 22.38 +1000 "Patrick Cordiner" wrote: [Carl wrote:] >> Palace Spring is from 89/90 ... many moons and several live >> albums after _Live 79_. One of my favorite albums, too :) > > So what is the next official live HW album (just for comparative purposes > against '79)?? Was _Zones_ all live or only partially? It and _This is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic_ were both early 80s, weren't they? And of course there was _Live Chronicles_ in 86 or 87. Only then came Palace Springs. Might be a few more a missed out--the 80s were a confusing time for HW record releases :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Mon Mar 22 08:50:38 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 08:50:38 -0500 Subject: BOC: "Dick" Meltzer Message-ID: While some may have found Meltzer's "review" of BOC entertaining, I didn't. Yeah, I know, I'm an ass-kissing fan of all things BOC, but still... First of all, I suspect that a lot of what was written in that article was bullshit. He dropped a lot of unsubstantiated stuff in that article (Allen in rehab, Buck about to be divorced). Sure, maybe I just don't WANT to believe stuff like that -- but even if it is true (and no one I know has given any indication that it is), I think the guy is a shit for printing it. I also disliked how he can look at the people in the crowd and make a statement like "a dork in an $80 sweatsuit and doing the twist and holding a beer who looks like he lives with his mother (and maybe an aunt)". Where the hell does he get off writing shit like this? Meltzer's ear for music is obviously affected by his personal issues with the band. While BOC fans all over acknowledge how much better of a guitar player Buck has become over the years, Meltzer writes "Buck's playing was identical to what it was in '76..." Give me a break! Finally, he seems to feel that his "uncouth behavior" at Buck's wedding was no big deal. Yet he seems proud of the fact that he felt up Buck's mother (or so he claims) and made a total arse of himself. Speaking of this incident, Sandy Roeser (Buck's wife) had this to say after reading Meltzer's review: "That's what we get for letting Rumplestiltskin come to our wedding. (BTW, he wasn't even invited, just like the above-mentioned troll, so he begged to come. We felt sorry for him and let him. To show his appreciation, he showed up drunk, exposed his pitiful genitals to some of our guests, then crawled into the darkness when told the police were on their way...never to be seen again. Until Portland, I guess. He never broke a window either.) Always remember: Beware of ugly trolls bearing gifts. (Oh, that's right. He didn't give us anything.)" S. Dharma As for tBS, I don't know when they last collaborated with him with recent lyrics - I believe most of the tBS tunes with Meltzer lyrics are older lyrics - stuff written in the 70s. But, I would defer to Al Bouchard on that one... John From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Mon Mar 22 08:48:15 1999 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 06:48:15 -0700 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: <3057431022031999/A02211/LNMV02/11D3B2AB3800*@MHS> Message-ID: > IMO, the best version of Steppenwolf was the live '82 era > version, with Nik > doing a superb vocal slot!! (on the mixer tape of chippenham 82) > > Isn't it about time that the mighty Dr. Technical released a fuul > gig from the > November '82 tour? > > Guy Thomas Yes! And my vote is for Hammersmith Odeon, Nov 12th, with Michael Moorcock guesting. Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Mar 22 09:08:40 1999 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:08:40 +0000 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: <199903201835.NAA03835@imperatrix.plutonia.com> Message-ID: At 13:35 20/03/99 -0500, Stephen Swann wrote: >andrew writes: >And you know, I honestly don't know when the change of heart happened. >It started certainly with Spirit of the Age, the Live 79 version being >probably my favorite-ever rendition of that one. This is just too weird. To me, that seems the prime example of a how a great track was reduced to plodding heavy metal. The spaciness of the original is lost; not lost in space but lost without space. As for the rest of the album, the versions of Brainstorm and MotU are both fine. In fact I prefer them to the originals, though the Space Ritual versions remain the classic renditions. Lighthouse was better on Blake's studio album. Linking with another thread, at the time, I loved the exploding Silver Machine, and was really glad they'd laid it to rust in the garage. (I was really disappointed when it reappeared on Choose Your Masques). Now it's not such a bug-a-boo; I enjoyed the version on the Alien tour. Dave. Languages Group Manager. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Mon Mar 22 09:14:06 1999 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:14:06 +0000 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: <000601be746a$a26d9ac0$8855dacf@primenet.com> Message-ID: >> IMO, the best version of Steppenwolf was the live '82 era > version, with Nik >>. doing a superb vocal slot!! (on the mixer tape of chippenham 82) >> >> Isn't it about time that the mighty Dr. Technical released a fuul >> gig from the November '82 tour? >> >> Guy Thomas > >Yes! And my vote is for Hammersmith Odeon, Nov 12th, with Michael Moorcock >guesting. > > >Kevin Sommers > AGREED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Guy Thomas (Again!!) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 22 09:28:08 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:28:08 +0000 Subject: BOC: "Dick" Meltzer Message-ID: On m?n 22 mar 1999 08.50 -0500 "John A. Swartz" wrote: > As for tBS, I don't know when they last collaborated with him with > recent lyrics - I believe most of the tBS tunes with Meltzer lyrics are > older lyrics - stuff written in the 70s. But, I would defer to Al > Bouchard on that one... Yeah, I hastily revised my thoughts on whether the tunes we recent collaborations after reading Meltzer few kind words for Our Man Al (or, indeed, *anyone*). I've no interest in rummaging around in BOC's personal affairs--I'm here for the tunes--and I've no doubt a lot of shit has gone down over the years, but ... mmm, let's say if that's what Meltzer *himself* is willing to say, it doesn't exactly reflect terribly well on his character. Well, I await the new album :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 22 09:33:41 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:33:41 +0000 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) Message-ID: On m?n 22 mar 1999 14.08 +0000 "Dave Berry" wrote: > As for the rest of the album, the versions of Brainstorm and MotU are both > fine. In fact I prefer them to the originals, though the Space Ritual > versions remain the classic renditions. Ah, yes, I like the MoTU very much, but I can't get into the Brainstorm. Something about the strange start-stop drumming threw me off stride, I seem to recall. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Mar 22 09:10:08 1999 From: bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 06:10:08 PST Subject: BOC: "Dick" Meltzer Message-ID: >I believe most of the tBS tunes with Meltzer lyrics are >older lyrics - stuff written in the 70s. But, I would defer to Al >Bouchard on that one... > > >John Didn't Meltzer give the Surgeons some new potential lyrics at the Portland gig a couple of years ago? Brian Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Mon Mar 22 09:57:11 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:57:11 -0500 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990322140840.011fb990@mailhost.ed.harlequin.co.uk> from "Dave Berry" at Mar 22, 99 02:08:40 pm Message-ID: Dave Berry writes: > > At 13:35 20/03/99 -0500, Stephen Swann wrote: > >andrew writes: > >And you know, I honestly don't know when the change of heart happened. > >It started certainly with Spirit of the Age, the Live 79 version being > >probably my favorite-ever rendition of that one. > > This is just too weird. To me, that seems the prime example of a how a > great track was reduced to plodding heavy metal. The spaciness of the > original is lost; not lost in space but lost without space. Well, I *like* plodding heavy metal, ;-) but I have no idea how you classify the Live '79 version of Spirit of the Age as that. Part of the reason I like it is because it's so open and airy sounding... it just sounds like concert on a summer night (I have no idea when or where it was really recorded). > As for the rest of the album, the versions of Brainstorm and MotU are both > fine. In fact I prefer them to the originals, though the Space Ritual > versions remain the classic renditions. Lighthouse was better on Blake's > studio album. See, I like the Doremi version of Brainstorm the best, followed by the "police bust" version (from "Do Not Panic" I think). I like the Live Chronicles version of MotU and the ISoS version about equally, though they're practically completely different tunes. ;-) So what does this tell us? Nothing! :) Steve swann at plutonia.com From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Mar 22 10:14:07 1999 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:14:07 +0000 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: <199903221457.JAA22468@imperatrix.plutonia.com> Message-ID: At 09:57 22/03/99 -0500, Stephen Swann wrote: >Well, I *like* plodding heavy metal, ;-) but I have no idea how you >classify the Live '79 version of Spirit of the Age as that. Part of >the reason I like it is because it's so open and airy sounding... I'll go listen to it again, and see if I can hear what you hear... >See, I like the Doremi version of Brainstorm the best, But it's so slow and ponderous... (I realise I'm in a minority on this one -- possibly a minority of one, at that). >followed by the >"police bust" version (from "Do Not Panic" I think). Zones? You mean the one with the police whistle, and Nik honking like a goose on heat? Yes, I like that one. >I like the >Live Chronicles version of MotU and the ISoS version about equally, >though they're practically completely different tunes. ;-) They're tunes? ;-) Actually, I like the Greasy Truckers version of MotU, despite the fact that it's as slow and ponderous as the Doremi version of Brainstorm. >So what does this tell us? Nothing! :) Possibly even less than that! But hey, it passes the time... >Steve Dave. Languages Group Manager. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Mar 22 10:14:10 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 07:14:10 -0800 Subject: OFF:Stone Temple Pilots Message-ID: >4. Stone Temple Pilots (these guys DO rock!) Ya and Eric Bloom likes them too. Ghost in the Ruins From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Mar 22 10:18:33 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 07:18:33 -0800 Subject: OFF:Tea Party Message-ID: -AHHH!! Please, anyone who was getting interested in Tea Party--ignore this last comment!! :) Sorry, Adrian. But if you want to start comparing TP's sound to other groups (which is totally justified, as they where 'em on their sleeve), you must start w/Led Zeppelin, and J. Morrison in regards to vocals. From mordru at FLITE.NET Mon Mar 22 10:28:22 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:28:22 -0500 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) Message-ID: >At 09:57 22/03/99 -0500, Stephen Swann wrote: >>Well, I *like* plodding heavy metal, ;-) but I have no idea how you >>classify the Live '79 version of Spirit of the Age as that. Part of >>the reason I like it is because it's so open and airy sounding... > >I'll go listen to it again, and see if I can hear what you hear... > >>See, I like the Doremi version of Brainstorm the best, > >But it's so slow and ponderous... (I realise I'm in a minority on this one >-- possibly a minority of one, at that). Time for another Hawkbrawl? Instead of comparing different songs, this time for different versions of songs that seem to appear all the time? Say MotU, Brainstorm, Silver Machine, Golden Void and... hell, SotA? ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 22 10:29:18 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:29:18 GMT Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: Patrick Cordiner's message of Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:38:42 +1000 Message-ID: Patrick Cordiner writes: > So what is the next official live HW album (just for comparative purposes > against '79)?? After the breakup of the Hawklords on their US tour, Dave Brock called Tim Blake and Huw Lloyd Langton with a view to reforming Hawkwind with Bainbridge and Simon King. This was the lineup for the UK '79 tour and subsequent album. Later King was replaced by Ginger Baker and the Levitation album was produced. Blake left after an argument on the 1980 tour and was replaced by Keith Hale. In 1981 Hale and Baker left and Martin Griffin joined as drummer. The albums bracketing Live '79 are therefore Quark, PXR5 and Hawklords before it and Levitation, Sonic Attack and Glastonbury '81 afterwards. IMHO apart from an awful version of Brainstorm and the poor choice of Lighthouse instead of New Jerusalem, it pretty much stands with the rest, though Levitation and Quark certainly head the group. FoFP From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Mon Mar 22 10:19:27 1999 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Patrick Cordiner) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 01:19:27 +1000 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) Message-ID: > From: Carl Edlund Anderson > Date: Monday, March 22, 1999 11:01 PM > > Was _Zones_ all live or only partially? It and _This is > Hawkwind, Do Not Panic_ were both early 80s, weren't they? And > of course there was _Live Chronicles_ in 86 or 87. Only then > came Palace Springs. Might be a few more a missed out--the 80s > were a confusing time for HW record releases :) Just checked and yeah, Zones was recorded in 1982 with live tracks inc. Motorway City through to Brainstorm, which incidently is a much better version with a funky jazz bit in the middle (courtesy of our favourite saxomophone player, Nik). THATS IT!! Nik wasn't in the band in Live '79. I may be overestimating his prescence but he certainly changes the dynamic somewhat. -Patrick From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Mar 22 10:32:21 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 07:32:21 -0800 Subject: OFF; Tea Party and Queensryche Message-ID: >-AHHH!! Please, anyone who was getting interested in Tea Party--ignore this last comment!! :) Sorry, Adrian. But if you want to start comparing TP's sound to other groups (which is totally justified, as they where 'em on their sleeve), you must start w/Led Zeppelin, and J. Morrison in regards to vocals. Uh dude I'll find the tracks I have heard and list them. Mind you I have not heard any of the three in their entirety but on one to two songs I've heard, singer sounds a lot like Geoff Tate. In fact I her TP is often discussed at the Queensryche discussion group. Certainly not trying to scare anybody off on the band but thats what I hear. Its like Mike Kiske, former lead singer of Helloween. Some songs (I Want Out) he sounds a bit like Rik Emmett (Triumph) others (Save Us) just like Geoff Tate. Hope I didn't turn TP newbies off with the Queensryche comment. >Actually, I just caught myself not 5 minutes ago, about to make a really backhanded comment about Queensryche, so I suppose I better reign in this debate before I lose my tenuous hold on the high moral ground. ;-) Careful there double S, higher ground is usually a slippery slope. >LOL, go for it. I happen to like them. At least, I think their singer is excellent and think that "Operation: Mind Crime" is a near classic. I haven't been thrilled with what they've done since then though. Me too bro. Since Mindcrime, you have missed: Empire - Takes a lot of heat as a hits oriented album but I like it. Has the most most beautiful rock ballads ever in Silent Lucidity. Promise Land - Takes even more heat as most people simply do not understand what they were attempting to do. Dark and moody this bad boy is the cats pajamas. Hear in the Now Frontier - Takes even more heat as being grungy sounding. Its a superb album that just didn't sell well. Word is that since DiGarno, the chief writer for this one, quit the band in total devastation when it bombed commercially. I like Hear a lot. >Thats the problem with higher ground.. just gives you farther to fall. Can't tell you how many times I've taken the plunge. From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Mon Mar 22 10:27:50 1999 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:27:50 +0000 Subject: HW: Master of the Universe [was: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate)] In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990322151407.0191ac40@mailhost.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: >>I like the >>Live Chronicles version of MotU and the ISoS version about equally, >>though they're practically completely different tunes. ;-) > >They're tunes? ;-) Actually, I like the Greasy Truckers version of MotU, >despite the fact that it's as slow and ponderous as the Doremi version of >Brainstorm. IMO, bet versions in living memory of M - of - U are both rather more recent: Firstly, the version as part or the encore from the 1992 Teepee tour, with Alan reproducing the proper hard 'n heavy bass riff - absolute stonker; a bit of a shame that it was reduced to being part of a medley......... Secondly, the version that was the opening track for the mini winter 1994 tour (the tour where Simon House guested at Brixton) - again a really heavy version!!! Evertone to his (or her) own tastes !!! Guy Thomas From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 22 10:34:25 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:34:25 GMT Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: Stephen Swann's message of Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:57:11 -0500 Message-ID: > Well, I *like* plodding heavy metal, ;-) but I have no idea how you > classify the Live '79 version of Spirit of the Age as that. Part of > the reason I like it is because it's so open and airy sounding... > it just sounds like concert on a summer night (I have no idea when > or where it was really recorded). There's a later version in the same playing style at Preston in 1980 to which Mike Moorcock did a high pathos version of his "Warriors" poem. I wish there were a cleaner version of this than the live tape I have of it. > See, I like the Doremi version of Brainstorm the best You really should hear the Live '72 version of this from the Brian Matthews LP. > Steve FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 22 10:38:51 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:38:51 +0000 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) Message-ID: On m?n 22 mar 1999 15.14 +0000 "Dave Berry" wrote: [Steve S. wrote:] >>followed by the >>"police bust" version (from "Do Not Panic" I think). > > Zones? You mean the one with the police whistle, and Nik honking like a > goose on heat? Yes, I like that one. Actually, I thought he might mean the _TAT_ one. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Mar 22 10:50:18 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:50:18 EST Subject: TRAIN KEPT A' ROLLIN Message-ID: In a message dated 3/22/99 5:09:51 AM, nick at THECAMPUS.COM writes: << kinda glad I missed this whole thing.>> wish i could say the same From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Mon Mar 22 11:05:08 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:05:08 -0500 Subject: HW: Master of the Universe [was: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 In-Reply-To: <7750271522031999/A07225/LNMV02/11D3B3DB3200*@MHS> from "LN1GJT" at Mar 22, 99 03:27:50 pm Message-ID: LN1GJT writes: > > >>I like the > >>Live Chronicles version of MotU and the ISoS version about equally, > >>though they're practically completely different tunes. ;-) > > > >They're tunes? ;-) Actually, I like the Greasy Truckers version of MotU, > >despite the fact that it's as slow and ponderous as the Doremi version of > >Brainstorm. > > IMO, bet versions in living memory of M - of - U are both rather more recent: > > Firstly, the version as part or the encore from the 1992 Teepee tour, with Alan > reproducing the proper hard 'n heavy bass riff - absolute stonker; a bit of a > shame that it was reduced to being part of a medley......... > > Secondly, the version that was the opening track for the mini winter 1994 tour > (the tour where Simon House guested at Brixton) - again a really heavy > version!!! Well, when I was discussing versions, I was restricting myself to album releases, so people have a point of reference. I bet people who have seen Hawkwind dozens of times would have a list of favorite versions that would make my head hurt. Steve swann at plutonia.com From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Mon Mar 22 11:19:57 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 08:19:57 -0800 Subject: BOC: Meltzer's POV Message-ID: Just proves out my point made last week on my opinion of critics. A good lyricist he may have been.. but what has he done for me lately? What a jerk. JB From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Mon Mar 22 11:21:43 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:21:43 -0500 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: <1478520.3131105931@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> from "Carl Edlund Anderson" at Mar 22, 99 03:38:51 pm Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > > On m?n 22 mar 1999 15.14 +0000 "Dave Berry" wrote: > [Steve S. wrote:] > >>followed by the > >>"police bust" version (from "Do Not Panic" I think). > > > > Zones? You mean the one with the police whistle, and Nik honking like a > > goose on heat? Yes, I like that one. > > Actually, I thought he might mean the _TAT_ one. The more I think about it, the less sure I am where it came from. It featured the sound of a police megaphone telling the crowd to disperse. Huw was playing lead guitar. Steve swann at plutonia.com From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Mon Mar 22 11:23:29 1999 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:23:29 +0000 Subject: HW: Master of the Universe [was: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 In-Reply-To: <199903221605.LAA23063@imperatrix.plutonia.com> Message-ID: >LN1GJT writes: > > >>I like the > >>Live Chronicles version of MotU and the ISoS version about equally, > >>though they're practically completely different tunes. ;-) > > > >They're tunes? ;-) Actually, I like the Greasy Truckers version of MotU, > >despite the fact that it's as slow and ponderous as the Doremi version of > >Brainstorm. > > IMO, bet versions in living memory of M - of - U are both rather more recent: > > Firstly, the version as part or the encore from the 1992 Teepee tour, with Alan > reproducing the proper hard 'n heavy bass riff - absolute stonker; a bit of a > shame that it was reduced to being part of a medley......... > > Secondly, the version that was the opening track for the mini winter 1994 tour > (the tour where Simon House guested at Brixton) - again a really heavy > version!!! >Well, when I was discussing versions, I was restricting myself to >album releases, so people have a point of reference. I bet people >who have seen Hawkwind dozens of times would have a list of >favorite versions that would make my head hurt. > >Steve >swann at plutonia.com Indeed Steve, but both these tours are widely availlable on the ol' live cassette circuit!! It just goes to show, that some of the finest live material never gets released, and the less good stuff just gets re-vamped time and time again. (refering to the planned release of the FULL St. Albans gig, where Live '79 was recorded) From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Mar 22 11:38:13 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 08:38:13 -0800 Subject: BOC: Blunts and BOC Message-ID: >In that spirit, I propose that we all sit back, all share an electronic joint, put on our favourite HW/BOC album, and then start arguing over which album that will be, and forget all this meaningless tripe. >Peace >Patrick Smoking an electronic triple sized blunt..........drinking 40 ozs of Schiltz Malt Liquor Red Bull....... Ghost in the Ruins is madly froogin' to the sounds of ................... SECRET TREATIES........... "......Oooooo Cagey....." Ghost in the Ruins From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Mon Mar 22 11:43:14 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 08:43:14 -0800 Subject: OFF: 10 most loved Message-ID: Ok, just to prove I'm no grouch, I can do this too. I am prepared to accept the punishment sure to follow :) In no particular order: Phish (These guys have been tops with me for the last 5 years and they just keep getting better.) Blue Oyster Cult (Up to Cultosaurus Erectus) Grateful Dead moe. Marillion (Fish) Beatles Black Sabbath (70's) Deep Purple (70's and not without Ian Gillan) Blues Traveler (Ok, I know but have you seen them live? Also, 1st 4 albums only) Pink Floyd (Pre-Wall) JB > Okay, let's try approaching this from a more positive > direction...the ten > bands I most enjoy, in alphabetical order... > > Bela Fleck and the Flecktones > Blue Oyster Cult/Brain Surgeons > ELP > Genesis (Gabriel/Hackett period only!) > Jethro Tull > Kansas (pre-1978) > King Crimson > Marillion (Fish period) > Rush > Yes (seventies version) > > Hm, too bad so many of these bands require qualifiers...and I > omitted a few > qualifiers I could have put in there... > > At any rate, those are my favorites. I'd be interested in > finding out how > many of these bands also appeal to other BOC fans. > > Steven Tice > From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Mon Mar 22 11:30:00 1999 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:30:00 GMT Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invit Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1999-03-22 16:30 Well, my 2 pennies worth FWIW on Live '79: I don't think its that bad an album but I can pull it to shreds if I want to... Shot Down.. love it, great up-tempo opener with some really neat gear-shifting rhythm work from Dave during the middle section. Motorway City... a bit disappointing having heard the studio version first. This one sort of plods with that over heavy off beat druming and Huw's solo is a bit drab compared to the studio take. Also, Dave tends to over-shout the lyrics. Spirit of the Age... hits the spot very nicely thank you. Maybe it is a bit too heavy but that was a function of the time (ahem, resisted temptation to make a terrible pun there). Anyway, I like this take with its good driving energy. Side Change... Travesty!!! You get the sweeping swooping synth build up to Urban Guerilla but they fade it out! Argghh! This is *the* killer version ('cept from memory, Acid Daze at Finsbury Park). This version of UG is definitely close to being my fave HW track of all time. Why on earth did they cut it from the LP given what comes next???! Lighthouse... Captain's Log... Stardate 456, We are now approaching craft of extra terrestial origin.... Sheesh, who can say those lyrics with a straight face? I think Tim was a great synth player and added a real special touch to the sound but his singing and lyrics left a lot to be desired. Good job they didn't include New Jerusalem as well. Brainstorm and MotU... Instant "hit the skip button" tracks. They are compentant versions but didn't really do anything worth while and needed the like of Nik to be noodling in there with them. Silver Machine... Yeah! This kicks off to a real storm and should have been kept in its entirety. Nice explosion. Funny joke about the washing machine eh? hoho. If they wanted to kill off Silver Machine, then what on earth was that drab dirge we got from CyM? OK, that's all pretty negative but I enjoy it for Shot Down and Spirit and marvel at Urban Guerilla. The thing is that having listened to other tapes from the same tour, they basically selected the wrong track list. I suppose that given Levitation was the next release, it would have been a bit strange to release Who's Gonna Win the War, Dust of Time, Levitation, World of Tiers et all but their inclusion would have made this album complete - especially as after Tim left, the entire soundscape of these tracks changed radically with the arrival of Hayles. His overall style was too heavy and that tended to slouch things out (listen to Do Not Panic for example). - having said that, the Hayles induced version of Urban Guerilla is still a stomper with a brilliant arpegiated keyboard build-up. Despite all this, I still wish Dave or someone would release the *entire* gig, warts 'n' all (my tape copy has serious wow and flutter problems) so there is a complete live document of the group at that point in time. YMMV, Mark From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Mon Mar 22 11:54:17 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:54:17 +0000 Subject: OFF: MOTORHEAD - In Kerrang!!! Message-ID: Issue 742 of K! has a free CD, and one of the tracks is "Overkill" from "Everything Louder Than Everyone Else". Regrettably, it's too fast, and too subdued:-( Ah well, at least Skinlab and Atari teenage Riot kick ass. SAH -- Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK e-zine and freezine http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 22 12:09:06 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:09:06 +0000 Subject: OFF: 10 most loved Message-ID: On m?n 22 mar 1999 08.43 -0800 "Joseph Brooks" wrote: > Phish (These guys have been tops with me for the last 5 years and they just > keep getting better.) I really dig Phish (I have had to agree to differ with Scott Heller, who doesn't :) though I lost touch with the scene after it just got to big to get tix easily, and after I came to England where no one has heard of them. > Grateful Dead I really dig the Dead (I have had to agree to differ with Scott Heller, who doesn't :) > moe. ? > Marillion (Fish) Hmmm, I've tried, and couldn't warm to them. Ah well. I know a lot of people who love 'em to death, mostly yookayers about 5 years older than I am :) > Beatles > Black Sabbath (70's) > Deep Purple (70's and not without Ian Gillan) Yup :) > Blues Traveler (Ok, I know but have you seen them live? Also, 1st 4 albums > only) Yeah, I have, but they've never done anything for me (I have had to agree to differ with Scott Heller, who really digs them :) > Pink Floyd (Pre-Wall) Our Man Syd! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Mon Mar 22 12:11:07 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:11:07 +0000 Subject: OFF: 10 MOST HATED Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk wrote > The Beatles - sloppy songwriters, poor musicians, vastly overrated. >Yeah, but I liked a lot of their records anyway. I _was_ born after they broke up :) Well, I was 4, so my musical taste was pretty well defined by then. I suspect my antipathy is tainted by 30 years of fawning reverence. Too many polls claiming St Pepper as the greatest album of all time, by people who who should know better. > The Stones - average r'n'b band who may have been adequate were it not > for that most heinous of posturing prats, Mick Jagger >I never bought any of their albums, but they have some songs I like :) Likewise, sitting in the pub, someone puts "Brown Sugar" on the jukebox, and my foot will tap:-) But talk about overstaying your welcome! It's nigh on 25 years since they made a listenable record. > Queen - bandwagoneering, pompous, no morals - how could anyone tolerate > them after the Live Aid / One World showboating - remember Sun City? > I never bought any of their albums either, but ... this is rock'n'roll and we're going to worry about people being pompous True, but it's probably the hypocrisy that grates, rather than the morals. If morals were a problem for me, I would be listening to nothing but Cliff Richard. Bye bye Hawkwind, Motorhead, Black Sabbath and every other rock band that liked a toke. Farewell AC/DC and every other band that liked a drink. And what would I do with my huge Ted Nugent collection:-) and amoral!? ;) SAH- Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK e-zine and freezine http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 22 12:16:21 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:16:21 GMT Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invit In-Reply-To: Mark Edmonds's message of Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:30:00 GMT Message-ID: Mark Edmonds writes: > Lighthouse... Captain's Log... Stardate 456, We are now approaching craft > of extra terrestial origin.... Sheesh, who can say those lyrics with a > straight face? I think Tim was a great synth player and added a real > special touch to the sound but his singing and lyrics left a lot to be > desired. Good job they didn't include New Jerusalem as well. No argument about Tim's lyrics and certainly not his singing but when he put it through a vocoder (?) it didn't come out too badly and certainly not any worse than Lemmy or Alan. If you listen to the live tapes of that year you'll see that the NJ track had a lot of energy and Tim's voice was low enough in the mix that it wasn't a problem. This track would have been much better than Lighthouse. Of course that one wasn't a patch on the instrumental version from Waterfalls In Space. If he'd released a studio version of NJ along those lines he'd have knocked Tangerine Dream (their then effort was Tangram) off the map. > Silver Machine... Yeah! This kicks off to a real storm and should have > been kept in its entirety. Nice explosion. Funny joke about the washing > machine eh? hoho. If they wanted to kill off Silver Machine, then what on > earth was that drab dirge we got from CyM? A searching question indeed. In some ways I'm surprised that when they were doing remixes in the early 90's they didn't do one of SM. After all, if the Orb could do it... > Despite all this, I still wish Dave or someone would release the *entire* > gig, warts 'n' all ObSheridan: Abso'fraggin'lutely. Since Dave has this Hawkwind Passports thing going for fan only Cd releases maybe we ought to start an email petition for Double Live '79. FoFP From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Mon Mar 22 12:22:33 1999 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:22:33 +0100 Subject: BOC/OFF: I remember in the good ole days (was repercussions) In-Reply-To: <111386.3131083200@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Ah, I think I remember hearing Al saying there was a different, >early version demo'd for _Agents_. I think 'Fire Of Unknown Origin' (song) is originally from AOF days. 'Burnin' For You' came later. Anyway, estrangement with Meltzer came later, in the beginning of the 80-s. -- Goran From StevenTice at AOL.COM Mon Mar 22 12:41:13 1999 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 12:41:13 EST Subject: Hawkwind mailing list, new from Hawkeye Message-ID: In a message dated 3/22/99 7:19:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: << I'm setting up a Hawkwind mailing list to compliment the trad. postal version. >> Sorry to nitpick, but you mean "complement." That's a pet peeve of mine. :-) SET From StevenTice at AOL.COM Mon Mar 22 12:48:25 1999 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 12:48:25 EST Subject: OFF: 10 most loved Message-ID: In a message dated 3/20/99 4:59:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, simplius at SOFTHOME.NET writes: << It's OK. But don't you ever get headache of the pompous arty smart-ass music? ;-) >> Not in the least. :-) And, hey, if I missed any bands known for complex, lengthy, and virtuosic material, please let me know...I'm always looking for new music! :-) SET From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Mar 22 12:55:16 1999 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:55:16 +0000 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: <199903221528.KAA17725@issfire1.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: At 10:28 22/03/99 -0500, Andrew A. Apold wrote: >Time for another Hawkbrawl? Instead of comparing different songs, this >time for different versions of songs that seem to appear all the time? >Say MotU, Brainstorm, Silver Machine, Golden Void and... hell, SotA? My copy of the Codex is well out of date, but I found the following tracks with 5 of more versions listed: Angels Of Death, Assault And Battery, Brainstorm, Born To Go, Dream Worker, The Five Seconds Of Forever, Ghost Dance, Hassan I Sahba, Magnu, Master Of The Universe, Motorway City, Paranoia, Silver Machine, Sonic Attack, You Shouldn't Do That, Welcome To The Future. Only Brainstorm, Master Of The Universe, and Silver Machine have more than 10 versions. If we do this, IMO we should exclude bootlegs and CD-Rs (e.g. Orgasmatron, Rock City, ...) Angels Of Death L 1 Weird 101 - Sonic Assasins/ Dave Brock {Angels of Life} L 1 British Tribal Music L 1 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II L 1 Acid Daze Vol. II L 1 The Hawkwind Collection L 1 Ironstrike L 1 Masters of The Universe [ Marble Arch Rock CD] L 1 Night Riding L 1 Silver Machine Live 12" EP L 1 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] L 1 Best of Hawkwind L 2 This is Hawkwind - Do Not Panic L 2 Independent Days, Vol. II L 3 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 [Cassette] 4 Sonic Attack 4 Angels of Death 4 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 4 a Angels of Death/ Trans Dimensional Man 7" L 5 The Golden Void L 6 Orgasmatron L 7 Live Chronicles L 7 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 8 Live At Reading '86 L 9 Undisclosed Files Assault And Battery 1 Warrior On The Edge Of Time 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 Zarozinia/ Assault and Battery 7" L 2 Zarozinia 12" EP L 2 Independent Days, Vol. II L 2 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword [Flicknife CD only] L 2 Live Chronicles [2CD set only] L 3 Live At Reading '86 L 4 The Cyberspace Conspiracy L 5 Palace Springs {Lives of Great Men} L 5 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 6 Rock City {misnamed track: see Letting in the Past} Brainstorm 1 Doremi Fasol Latido 1 Masters of the Universe [Compilation] 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 BBC Transcription Disc LP L 2 Space Rock from London L 2 a BBC Radio - Live In Concert CD L 3 BBC Transcription Disc - The Brian Matthews Show L 3? Dawn of Hawkwind L 4 Space Ritual Alive L 4 (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords L 5 Space Ritual II L 5 Ridicule L 5 Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 6 Acid Daze Vol II {Watchfield Festival} L 6 Hawkwind Anthology Vol.II {Watchfield Festival} L 7 Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77 [Second release of tape only] L 8 Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line L 9 Live '79 L 9 Ironstrike L 9 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] L 9 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] 10 Zones 10 Zones/Stonehenge CD L 11 Orgasmatron L 12 Live Chronicles {Wizards of Pan Tang} L 13 Live At Reading '86 L 14 Chronicle of the Black Sword [Dojo and Griffin CD only] {Voice Inside My Head} L 15 Traveller's Aid Trust L 16 California Brainstorm * 2a is a remix of 2 * Versions 4 and 5 are from the same tour * Version 6 contains just the intro at the end of a jam * Version 12 is the middle of Brainstorm with extra lyrics overlaid Dream Worker 1 Choose Your Masques 2 Zones 2 Zones/Stonehenge CD L 3 Live At Reading '86 L 4 Travellers Aid Trust {Blue Dreamer} L 5 Palace Springs {Acid Test} The Fifth Second Of Forever L 1 Weird 103 - Free Festivals {Circles} L 1 Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and Watchfield {Circles} 2 Levitation 2 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] 2 Silver Machine CD 3 Weird 107 - Dave Brock {Circles} L 4 This is Hawkwind - Do Not Panic {Circles} L 4 Utopia 1984 {Circles} L 4 Zones/Stonehenge CD {Circles} L 5 Live At Reading '86 Ghost Dance L 1 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I L 1 Acid Daze Vol. I L 1 British Tribal Music L 1 The Hawkwind Collection LP L 1 The Hawkwind Anthology 3CD box set (Castle Communications) L 1 Castle Masters Collection CD only L 1 Silver Machine CD L 1 a Best of Hawkwind L 2 Out and Intake L 3 The Golden Void L 4 * Hawkfan 12" L 5 Undisclosed Files - Addendum [CD Only] * 1a is a cut version of 1 * 4 is a "live edit" Hassan I Sabha 1 Quark Strangeness And Charm 1 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 1 Tales From Atom Henge 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] ? 1 a Hassan I Sabha/Damnation Alley Part 2 Italian 7" ? 1 a Hassan I Sabha/Fable of a Failed Race 7" L 2 a Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77 {Assassins of Allah} L 2 b Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line 3 Out And Intake {Assassins of Allah} 3 Night Of The Hawk {Assassins of Allah} L 4 Live At Reading '86 L 4 Italian "Vinile" freebie single {Assassins of Allah} L 4? Assassins of Allah LP L 5 a The Never Ending Story of The Psychedelic Warlords {Assassins of Allah } L 5 b California Brainstorm {Assassins of Allah} L 6 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed L 7 Rock City {Hashish} * 1a is an edit of 1 (assumed) * 2a and 2b are from the same tour * 5a and 5b are from the same tour Born To Go L 1 Greasy Trucker's Party L 1 Assassins of Allah LP L 1 Dawn of Hawkwind CD L 1 a Lord of Light/ Born to Go 7" L 1 a Silver Machine/7 by 7/Lord of Light/Born to Go German double 7" EP L 1 a The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II CD L 1 a Acid Daze Vol. III L 1 a The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. III LP L 1 a The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind L 1 a The Early Years Live EP L 1 a Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 1 a The Hawkwind Collection L 1 a Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] L 1 a Weird 106 - Hawkwind 1970-73 L 1 a Best of Hawkwind L 2 BBC Transcription Disc LP L 2 Space Rock from London L 2 a BBC Radio - Live In Concert CD L 3 Space Ritual Alive L 3 Stasis CD L 3 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] * 1a is cut version of 1 * 2a is a remix of 2 1 a Acid Daze Vol. I 1 a Best of Hawkwind 1 b Castle Masters Collection 1 b Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] 2 PXR5 LP 2 Repeat Performance 2 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 2 Tales From Atom Henge 2 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 3 * PXR5 CD 4 Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line 5 The Hawklords Live * 1a is a remix of 1 * All versions 1,2 and 3 are from the same tour * Version 2 appeared on the original PXR5 LP. Version 3 appeared on the rerelease and on the PXR5 CD. * 1b the sound of an explosion at the end of version 1 and 1a has been cut out in editing (see British Tribal Music) Magnu 1 Warrior On The Edge Of Time 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 Weird 101 - Sonic Assasins/ Dave Brock L 2 British Tribal Music L 2 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II L 2 Acid Daze Vol. II L 2 Castle Masters Collection L 2 * Night Riding L 2 * Masters of the Universe [Marble Arch] L 2 * Spirit of the Age [Elite compilation] L 2 * The Hawkwind Collection L 2 * Ironstrike L 2 * Best of Hawkwind L 2 Silver Machine Live 12" EP L 2 a Silver Machine/Magnu 7" L 2 a Silver Machine/Magnu 7" motorbike shaped pic disk L 3 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 [Cassette] L 4 The Golden Void L 5 Orgasmatron L 6 Live Chronicles L 7 Live At Reading '86 * Magnu is not listed on the tracklist for these albums but appears as part of the Magnu/Angels of Death live version. * 2a is a faded cut of 2 Master Of The Universe L 1 In The Beginning L 1 The Text Of Festival L 1 Welcome To The Future L 1 Live '70/'73 2 X In Search of Space 2 Masters of the Universe [UA Compilation] 2 (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords 2 The Best of Hawkwind [EMI Metal Classics cassette] 2 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 2 a US double 7" EP L 3 Orgasmatron L 4 Greasy Trucker's Party L 4 Weird 106 - Hawkwind 1970-73 L 4 Assassins of Allah LP L 4 Dawn of Hawkwind CD L 5 BBC Transcription Disc LP L 5 Space Rock from London L 5 a BBC Radio - Live In Concert CD L 6 Space Ritual Alive L 6 a Space Ritual II L 6 a Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 6 a Ridicule L 6 a Early Daze L 7 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin L 8 Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/ Hawklords L 9 Live '79 L 10 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 [Cassette] L 11 Solstice at Stonehenge 1983 L 12 Motorway City/ Master of the Universe 7" L 12 Ironstrike L 12 Castle Masters Collection L 12 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] L 12 The Hawkwind Collection L 12 Masters of The Universe [ Marble Arch Rock CD] L 12 Night Riding L 12 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I L 12 Acid Daze Vol. I L 12 Best of Hawkwind L 13 Live Chronicles L 13 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 14 Bristol Custom Bike Show L 14 Assassins of Allah LP L 14 Dawn of Hawkwind CD L 15 Live At Reading '86 L 16 Undisclosed Files [LP Only] * 2a is a cut version of 2 * 5a is a remixed version of 5 * 6a is a different mix from 6 * there are two versions of Masters of the Universe on Assassins of Allah LP and Dawn of Hawkwind CD Motorway City L 1 Live '79 L 1 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 1 a Live - St.Albans 1979 2 Levitation 2 Ironstrike 2 Night Riding 2 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] 2 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 2 Silver Machine CD L 3 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 [Cassette] L 4 Solstice at Stonehenge 1983 5 Motorway City/ Master of the Universe 7" 5 Zones 5 Zones/Stonehenge CD 5 Independent Days, Vol. I 5 Night Of The Hawk 5 Utopia 1984 L 6 Undisclosed Files (*) 1a is a poorer mix of 1 Paranoia 1 Hawkwind 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 1 a Roadhawks 1 a (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords L 2 In The Beginning L 2 The Text Of Festival L 3 The Text Of Festival LP {Improvise, Comprise, Reprise} L 4 BBC Transcription Disc LP 4 Space Rock from London L 4 a BBC Radio - Live In Concert CD L 5 Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77 [First release of tape only] L 6 The Never Ending Story of The Psychedelic Warlords {Paranoia II} L 7 Bristol Custom Bike Show {Silver Machine/Paranoia} L 7 Dawn of Hawkwind CD {Silver Machine/Paranoia} L 8 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed * 1a is Part II only * Paranoia occurs twice on The Text of Festival LP * 6 is the intro only * 7 Paranoia is not separately listed on the Bristol Custom Bike Show Silver Machine L 1 Orgasmatron L 2 Glastonbury Fayre L 2 Assassins of Allah LP L 2 Dawn of Hawkwind CD 3 Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1972] 3 X In Search Of Space [Spanish album only] 3 Doremifasolatido [Japanese album only] 3 US double 7" EP 3 Silver Machine/7 by 7/Lord of Light/Born to Go German double 7" EP 3 Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1978] 3 Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 12" [1978] 3 Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1983] 3 Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 12" [1983] 3 Silver Machine/ Urban Guerilla 7" [Dutch 1989] 3 Stasis 3 (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords 3 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 3 a Roadhawks 3 a Silver Machine/ Urban Guerilla 7" [German 1975] ? 3 a Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1976] 3 a Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [after 1983] L 4 BBC Transcription Disc LP L 4 Space Rock from London L 4 a BBC Radio - Live In Concert CD L 5 BBC Transcription Disc - The Brian Matthews Show L 5? Dawn of Hawkwind CD L 6 Early Daze L 6 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin L 7 Live '79 L 7 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 8 Silver Machine/Magnu 7" L 8 Silver Machine/Magnu 7" motorbike shaped pic disk L 8 Silver Machine Live 12" EP L 8 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] L 8 Ironstrike L 8 British Tribal Music L 8 Castle Masters Collection L 8 Night Riding L 8 The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind L 8 The Early Years Live EP L 8 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I CD L 8 Acid Daze Vol. III CD 8 Best of Hawkwind CD L 8 Silver Machine CD 9 Choose Your Masques 9 Silver Machine 10th Anniversary 7" EP [long version] 9 a Silver Machine 10th Anniversary 7" EP [short version] L 10 Bristol Custom Bike Show L 10 Assassins of Allah LP L 10 Dawn of Hawkwind CD {Silver Machine/Paranoia} L 11 Live At Reading '86 L 12 Travellers Aid Trust {Washing [Silver] Machine} * Version 2 was recorded at the Roundhouse in 1972 and not at Glastonbury. Version 3 was mixed from version 2 at Rockfield. * Version 3a was remixed from 3 for the Roadhawks album by overlapping the end of the Shouldn't Do That track from the Space Ritual encore with the start of the version 3 single. * Version 4a is a remix from version 4 * Version 7 stops with an explosion soon after the track begins * The 10th anniversary 7" EP contained both the version from the Choose Your Masques album, and a shorter edited version. This EP was also released as a pic disk with the covers from Warrior On The Edge of Time and Doremifasolatido * Two versions of Silver Machine on Assassins of Allah LP and three versions on Dawn of Hawkwind CD Sonic Attack L 1 Space Ritual Alive L 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 1 a Space Ritual II L 1 a Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 1 b Live '70/'73 L 1 b Welcome To The Future L 1 c Sonic Attack promo 7" L 1 c Masters of the Universe [Compilation] L 2 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin L 2 a Early Daze L 3 Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/ Hawklords L 4 Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line L 5 The Hawklords Live L 6 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 [Cassette] 7 Sonic Attack 8 Zones 8 Zones/Stonehenge CD L 9 Undisclosed Files * 1a is the same as 1 but with a different intro 1b is 1a with the end cut short 1c is 1 but faded at the end 2a is the same as 2 but with part of the intro cut Spirit Of The Age L 1 Orgasmatron {Starfarer's Despatch} 2 Quark Strangeness And Charm 2 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 2 Repeat Performance 2 Tales From Atom Henge 2 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 3 Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/ Hawklords L 3 Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD L 3 Friends And Relations II LP (Twice Upon A Time) L 3a Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line L 4 Weird 104 - Hawklords/Hawkwind Live 1978 L 5 The Hawklords Live L 6 Live '79 L 6 The Hawkwind Collection L 6 Ironstrike L 6 Castle Masters Collection L 6 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] L 6 The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind L 6 The Early Years Live EP L 6 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I L 6 Acid Daze Vol. I L 6 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 6 Best of Hawkwind L 7 Solstice at Stonehenge 1983 8 Spirit of the Age (Solstice Remixes) (a) 3a from the same tour as 3 (b) 6 the sound quality on this recording varies considerably * 8 four mixes performed by Astralasia Welcome To The Future L 1 Glastonbury Fayre L 1 Assassins of Allah LP L 1 Dawn of Hawkwind CD L 2 BBC Transcription Disc LP L 2 Space Rock From London L 2 a BBC Radio - Live in Concert CD L 3 Space Ritual Alive L 3 a Ridicule L 3 a Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 3 ab Space Ritual II L 4 Bring Me The Head of Yuri Gagarin L 4 Live '70/'73 L 4 Welcome To The Future L 5 Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/Hawklords {The Future} L 6 The Business Trip {This Future} (a) 2a is remixed from 2 (b) 3a is from the same tour as 3 You Shouldn't Do That 1 X In Search Of Space 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73 L 2 a In The Beginning L 2 a The Text Of Festival L 3 * The Text of Festival LP {Sound Shouldn't Improvise} L 3 * The Text of Festival CD {Improvise, Comprise, Reprise} L 4 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II CD L 4 Acid Daze Vol. III L 4 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. III LP L 4 The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind L 4 Night Riding L 4 The Hawkwind Collection LP L 4 a Roadhawks L 4 a Stasis L 4 a (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords L 4 a Silver Machine CD L 4 b Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 5 * The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II {Watchfield Festival} L 5 * Acid Daze Vol. II {Watchfield Festival} L 6 Rock City L 7 The Business Trip {Do That} * Two versions of this on Text Of Festival The CD track is misnamed for another track on the album. * 2a is a cut of 2 * On 4-4b You Shouldn't Do That formed the 1st half of a segue with Seeing It As You Really Are as the encore to Space Ritual Alive * 4 is the complete version plus intro * 4a is version 5 with a cut intro * 4b is version 5 with no intro * The Watchfield festival track is a jam based on You Shouldn't Do That Languages Group Manager. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Mar 22 13:12:56 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:12:56 EST Subject: And now, a word from our sponsor (PLEASE READ) Message-ID: if somehow during the utterly miserable swirl of the last few days i either failed to directly apologize to you or somehow insulted you as a byproduct of the conflict (as has been suggested)... ....please consider accepting my direct and personal apologies at this time. thank you larry boyd plymouth ma From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Mon Mar 22 13:41:08 1999 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:41:08 +0100 Subject: BOC: "Dick" Meltzer In-Reply-To: <36F64AAB.89DB9B0E@mitre.org> Message-ID: John A. Swartz wrote: >"That's what we get for letting Rumplestiltskin come to our wedding. >(BTW, he wasn't even invited, just like the above-mentioned troll, so he >begged to come. We felt sorry for him and let him. To show his appreciation, >he showed up drunk, exposed his pitiful genitals to some of our guests, then >crawled into the darkness when told the police were on their way...never >to be seen again. Until Portland, I guess. He never broke a window either.) >Always remember: Beware of ugly trolls bearing gifts. (Oh, that's right. He >didn't give us anything.)" S. Dharma OK, now the question is what about Meltzer's lyrics after 1973? I wouldn't say he was gone in the darkness and never to appear again until recently. Death Valley Nights, Dr. Music, Lips In The Hills, Burnin' For You and Veins. Latter three are Buck & Meltzer cooperation. I'd say no one is innocent here, but let them solve their own family estrangement problems. The bad thing is they expose them publicly, but this is neither first, nor the last case in the history of..... whatever. And who is Ramplestiltskin? -- Goran From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 22 13:39:13 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:39:13 GMT Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: Dave Berry's message of Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:55:16 +0000 Message-ID: Dave Berry writes: > At 10:28 22/03/99 -0500, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > >Time for another Hawkbrawl? Instead of comparing different songs, this > >time for different versions of songs that seem to appear all the time? > >Say MotU, Brainstorm, Silver Machine, Golden Void and... hell, SotA? > > My copy of the Codex is well out of date, but I found the following tracks > with 5 of more versions listed: Mine is pretty near up to date and lists 28 songs with five or more versions. See appended list. > Only Brainstorm, Master Of The Universe, and Silver Machine have more than > 10 versions. Plus now "Sonic Attack". Eliminating Bootlegs would Angels Of Death L 1 Weird 101 - Sonic Assasins/ Dave Brock {Angels of Life} L 1 British Tribal Music L 1 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II L 1 The Hawkwind Anthology 1967-1982 [Castle 2CD] L 1 Acid Daze Vol. II L 1 The Hawkwind Collection L 1 Ironstrike L 1 Masters of The Universe [Marble Arch Rock CD] L 1 Night Riding L 1 Silver Machine Live 12" EP L 1 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] L 1 Best of Hawkwind L 1 Space Is Deep L 1 Master of the Universe [Pulse CD] L 1 Silver Machine CD [Hallmark compilation] L 2 This is Hawkwind - Do Not Panic L 2 Independent Days, Vol. II L 2 Independent Days Volumes 1&2 CD L 2 Live & Rare (Onward Flies The Bird) L 3 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 [Cassette] 4 Sonic Attack 4 Angels of Death 4 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 4 a Angels of Death/ Trans Dimensional Man 7" L 5 The Golden Void L 6 Orgasmatron L 7 Live Chronicles L 7 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 8 Live At Reading '86 L 9 Undisclosed Files L 9 The Emergency Broadcast System Samples Brainstorm 1 Doremi Fasol Latido 1 Masters of the Universe [UA Compilation] 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 BBC Transcription Disc LP L 2 Space Rock from London L 2 a BBC Radio - Live In Concert CD L 3 BBC Transcription Disc - The Brian Matthews Show L 3 Dawn of Hawkwind L 4 Space Ritual Alive L 4 (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords L 5 Space Ritual II L 5 Ridicule L 5 Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 5 Hawkwind: The Masters L 6 The 1999 Party L 7 Acid Daze Vol II {Watchfield Festival} L 7 Hawkwind Anthology Vol.II {Watchfield Festival} L 7 The Hawkwind Anthology 1967-1982 [Castle 2CD] {Watchfield Festival} L 8 Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77 [Second release of tape only] L 9 Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line L 10 Live '79 L 10 Ironstrike L 10 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] L 10 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] 11 Zones 11 Zones/Stonehenge CD L 12 Orgasmatron L 13 Live Chronicles {Wizards of Pan Tang} L 14 Live At Reading '86 L 15 Chronicle of the Black Sword [Dojo & Griffin CD]{Voice Inside My Head} L 16 Traveller's Aid Trust L 17 California Brainstorm L 18 Hawkwind 1997 L 19 In Your Area Death Trap L 1 Weird 101 - Sonic Assasins/ Dave Brock L 1 Sonic Assassins 12" EP L 1 Victoria double album L 1 Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-1985 2 PXR5 2 Psi Power/ Deathtrap 7" L 3 Weird 104 - Hawklords/Hawkwind Live 1978 L 3 a The Hawklords Live L 4 This is Hawkwind - Do Not Panic L 4 Zones/Stonehenge CD 5 Area S4 EP 5 Alien4 L 6 Theta Orionis [bootleg CD] L 7 Love In Space Dream Worker 1 Choose Your Masques 2 Zones 2 Zones/Stonehenge CD L 3 Live At Reading '86 L 4 Travellers Aid Trust {Blue Dreamer} L 5 Palace Springs {Acid Test} Ejection 1 Doremi Fasol Latido [remastered CD only] L 2 Hawkfan 12" L 2 The Elf and The Hawk L 3 Solstice at Stonehenge 1983 4 Night of the Hawk CD 4 Out And Intake L 5 Undisclosed Files L 6 The Cyberspace Conspiracy L 7 California Brainstorm L 8 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed L 9 Hawkwind 1997 The Golden Void 1 Warrior On The Edge Of Time 1 Roadhawks 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 Hawkwind Mind Journey L 3 Friends And Relations I L 3 Victoria double album L 3 Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD [Anagram] L 4 The Golden Void L 5 The Cyberspace Conspiracy L 6 Palace Springs {Void of Golden Light} L 6 Live Chronicles [Castle 2CD bonus comp. CD] {Void of Golden Light} L 6 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 7 California Brainstorm {Void's End} L 8 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed L 9 Rock City L 10 The Business Trip {Void of Golden Light} Hassan I Sabha 1 Quark Strangeness And Charm 1 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 1 Tales From Atom Henge 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] ? 1 a Hassan I Sabha/Damnation Alley Part 2 Italian 7" ? 1 a Hassan I Sabha/Fable of a Failed Race 7" L 2 a Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77 {Assassins of Allah} L 2 b Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line 3 Out And Intake {Assassins of Allah} 3 Night Of The Hawk {Assassins of Allah} L 4 Live At Reading '86 L 4 Italian "Vinile" freebie single {Assassins of Allah} L 4 Assassins of Allah LP L 5 a The Never Ending Story of The Psychedelic Warlords {Assassins of Allah} L 5 b California Brainstorm {Assassins of Allah} L 6 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed L 7 Rock City {Hashish} L 8 Love In Space {Assassins} L 8 The Ambient Anarchists {Assassin} L 9 Theta Orionis [bootleg CD] High Rise L 1 Weird 103 - Free Festivals L 1 Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and Watchfield L 1 a The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind L 1 a The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I L 1 a The Hawkwind Anthology 1967-1982 [Castle 2CD] L 1 a Acid Daze Vol. I L 1 a Best of Hawkwind L 1 a Live & Rare (Onward Flies The Bird) L 1 a Master of the Universe [Pulse CD] L 1 b Castle Masters Collection L 1 b Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] 2 PXR5 [LP only] 2 Repeat Performance 2 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 2 Tales From Atom Henge 2 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 3 PXR5 [CD only] 4 Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line 5 The Hawklords Live The Iron Dream 1 Quark Strangeness And Charm 1 Quark, Strangeness, and Charm/ The Iron Dream 7" L 2 Weird 104 - Hawklords/Hawkwind Live 1978 L 3 The Business Trip {The Dream Goes On} 4 Area S4 EP {Are You Losing Your Mind?} 4 Alien4 {Are You Losing Your Mind?} L 5 Theta Orionis [bootleg CD] {The Dream Goes On} L 6 Love In Space {Are You Losing Your Mind?} Love in Space 1 White Zone L 2 Love In Space 3 Love in Space EP 3 a Distant Horizons L 4 The Ambient Anarchists L 5 Wir sind Kinder der Revolte L 6 Hawkwind 1997 L 7 In Your Area {Rat Race} Magnu 1 Warrior On The Edge Of Time 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 Weird 101 - Sonic Assasins/ Dave Brock L 2 British Tribal Music L 2 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II L 2 The Hawkwind Anthology 1967-1982 [Castle 2CD] L 2 Acid Daze Vol. II L 2 Castle Masters Collection L 2 Night Riding {unlisted} L 2 Masters of the Universe [Marble Arch] {unlisted} L 2 Spirit of the Age [Elite compilation] {unlisted} L 2 The Hawkwind Collection {unlisted} L 2 Ironstrike {unlisted} L 2 Best of Hawkwind {unlisted} L 2 Live & Rare (Onward Flies The Bird) L 2 Master of the Universe [Pulse CD] {unlisted} L 2 Silver Machine Live 12" EP L 2 Silver Machine CD [Hallmark compilation] L 2 Live Chronicles [Castle 2CD bonus compilation disc] L 2 a Silver Machine/Magnu 7" L 2 a Silver Machine/Magnu 7" motorbike shaped pic disk L 3 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 [Cassette] L 4 The Golden Void L 5 Orgasmatron L 6 Live Chronicles L 7 Live At Reading '86 Master Of The Universe L 1 In The Beginning L 1 The Text Of Festival L 1 Welcome To The Future [Mausoleum LP] L 1 Live '70/'73 2 X In Search of Space 2 Masters of the Universe [UA Compilation] 2 (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords 2 The Best of Hawkwind [EMI Metal Classics cassette] 2 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 2 a US double 7" EP L 3 Orgasmatron L 4 Greasy Trucker's Party L 4 Weird 106 - Hawkwind 1970-73 L 4 Assassins of Allah LP L 4 Dawn of Hawkwind CD L 4 Space Ritual Alive [remastered CD only] L 5 BBC Transcription Disc LP L 5 Space Rock from London L 5 a BBC Radio - Live In Concert CD L 6 Space Ritual Alive L 6 a Space Ritual II L 6 a Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 6 a Ridicule L 6 a Hawkwind: The Masters L 6 a Early Daze ?L 6 a Silver Machine [Legend CD] L 7 The 1999 Party L 8 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin L 9 Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/ Hawklords L 10 Live '79 L 11 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 [Cassette] L 12 Solstice at Stonehenge 1983 L 13 Motorway City/ Master of the Universe 7" L 13 Ironstrike L 13 Castle Masters Collection L 13 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] L 13 The Hawkwind Collection L 13 Masters of The Universe [ Marble Arch Rock CD] L 13 Night Riding L 13 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I L 13 The Hawkwind Anthology 1967-1982 [Castle 2CD] L 13 Acid Daze Vol. I L 13 Best of Hawkwind L 13 Space Is Deep L 13 Live & Rare (Onward Flies The Bird) (Masters of the Universe) L 13 Master of the Universe [Pulse CD] L 14 Live Chronicles L 14 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 14 Live Chronicles [Castle 2CD bonus compilation disc] L 15 Bristol Custom Bike Show L 15 Assassins of Allah LP L 15 Dawn of Hawkwind CD L 16 Live At Reading '86 L 17 Undisclosed Files [LP Only] Motorway City L 1 Live '79 L 1 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 1 a Live - St.Albans 1979 2 Levitation 2 Ironstrike 2 Night Riding 2 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] 2 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 2 Silver Machine CD [Spectrum compilation] L 3 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 [Cassette] L 4 Solstice at Stonehenge 1983 5 Motorway City/ Master of the Universe 7" 5 Zones 5 Zones/Stonehenge CD 5 Independent Days, Vol. I 5 Night Of The Hawk 5 Utopia 1984 5 Independent Days Volumes 1&2 CD L 6 Undisclosed Files L 6 The Ambient Anarchists Needle Gun 1 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword 1 Night of the Hawk 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 1 a Needle Gun/ Arioch 7" 1 a Needle Gun 12" EP L 2 Dawn of Hawkwind CD L 3 Live Chronicles L 3 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 3 The Hawkwind Anthology 1967-1982 [Castle 2CD] L 4 Live At Reading '86 L 5 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed Paranoia 1 Hawkwind 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 1 a Roadhawks 1 a (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords L 2 In The Beginning L 2 The Text Of Festival L 3 The Text Of Festival LP {Improvise, Comprise, Reprise} L 4 BBC Transcription Disc LP 4 Space Rock from London L 4 a BBC Radio - Live In Concert CD L 5 Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77 [First release of tape only] L 6 The Never Ending Story of The Psychedelic Warlords {Paranoia II} L 7 Bristol Custom Bike Show {Silver Machine/Paranoia} L 7 Dawn of Hawkwind CD {Silver Machine/Paranoia} L 7 Assassins of Allah LP L 8 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed Psychedelic Warlords L 1 Tha 1999 Party 2 Hall Of The Mountain Grill 2 US Forces Radio album featuring Hawkwind & Jefferson Starship 2 The Best of Hawkwind [EMI Metal Classics cassette] 2 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 2 a Psychedelic Warlords/ It's so Easy 7" 2 a Psychedelic Warlords/Hall of the Mountain Grill/D-Rider/Wind of Change US EP 2 a Stasis 2 a (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords 2 a Hall of the Mountain Grill [remastered CD only] 2 a Sonic Boom Killers L 3 Hawkwind Mind Journey 4 Silver Machine 10th Anniversary 7" EP 4 Choose Your Masques [CD only] 4 The Ambient Anarchists L 5 The Golden Void L 6 Solstice at Stonehenge 1983 L 7 Rock City Right to Decide 1 Electric Teepee 1 Decide Your Future EP and CD single 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 1 The Ambient Anarchists 1 The Hawkwind Anthology 1967-1982 [Castle 2CD] 2 Decide Your Future EP and CD single (Radio Edit Mix) L 3 Rock City L 4 The Business Trip L 5 Theta Orionis [bootleg CD] Seven by Seven 1 Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1972] A1/B1 1 In Search of Space [remastered CD only] 1 Sonic Boom Killers 1 a Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1972] A1/B2 1 b Silver Machine/7 by 7/Lord of Light/Born to Go German double 7" EP 1 b Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1976] 1 b Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1978] A3/B3 1 b Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 12" [1978] 1 b Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 12" [1983] 1 b Stasis 1 b Lord of Light L 2 BBC Transcription Disc LP L 2 Space Rock from London L 2 a BBC Radio - Live In Concert CD L 3 Space Ritual Alive L 3 a Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1983] L 3 a Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [after 1983] L 4 Space Ritual II L 4 Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 4 Hawkwind: The Masters L 4 Ridicule L 4 a Live '70/'73 L 4 a Welcome To The Future [Mausoleum LP] L 5 The 1999 Party Shot Down in the Night L 1 Live '79 L 1 Ironstrike L 1 Masters of The Universe [Marble Arch Rock CD] L 1 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 1 a Shot Down in the Night/ Urban Guerilla 7" L 1 a Night Riding L 1 a Silver Machine CD [Spectrum compilation] L 1 a Sonic Boom Killers L 1 b Live - St.Albans 1979 2 This Is Hawkwind - Do Not Panic 3 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 [Cassette] 3 a Friends And Relations III {Psychedelia Lives} 3 a Best of Hawkwind Friends&Relations CD [Flicknife]{Psychedelia Lives} 3 a Hawkwind Friends And Relations - The Rarities CD {Psychedelia Lives} 4 Solstice at Stonehenge 1983 5 Orgasmatron Silver Machine L 1 Orgasmatron L 2 Glastonbury Fayre L 2 Assassins of Allah LP L 2 Dawn of Hawkwind CD 3 Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1972] 3 X In Search Of Space [Spanish album and remastered CD only] 3 Doremifasolatido [Japanese album only] 3 US double 7" EP 3 Silver Machine/7 by 7/Lord of Light/Born to Go German double 7" EP 3 Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1978] 3 Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 12" [1978] 3 Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1983] 3 Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 12" [1983] 3 Silver Machine/ Urban Guerilla 7" [Dutch 1989] 3 Stasis 3 (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords 3 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 3 Sonic Boom Killers 3 a Roadhawks 3 a Silver Machine/ Urban Guerilla 7" [German 1975] 3 a Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1976] 3 a Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [after 1983] L 4 BBC Transcription Disc LP L 4 Space Rock from London L 4 a BBC Radio - Live In Concert CD L 5 BBC Transcription Disc - The Brian Matthews Show L 5 Dawn of Hawkwind CD L 6 Early Daze L 6 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin ?L 6 Silver Machine [Legend CD] L 7 Live '79 L 7 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 7 The Hawkwind Anthology 1967-1982 [Castle 2CD] L 8 Silver Machine/Magnu 7" L 8 Silver Machine/Magnu 7" motorbike shaped pic disk L 8 Silver Machine Live 12" EP L 8 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] L 8 Ironstrike L 8 British Tribal Music L 8 Castle Masters Collection L 8 Night Riding L 8 The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind L 8 The Early Years Live EP L 8 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I CD L 8 Acid Daze Vol. III CD L 8 The Hawkwind Collection L 8 Best of Hawkwind CD L 8 Silver Machine CD [Spectrum compilation] L 8 Live & Rare (Onward Flies The Bird) L 8 Master of the Universe [Pulse CD] {Silver Machine live} L 8 Silver Machine CD [Hallmark compilation] 9 Choose Your Masques 9 Silver Machine 10th Anniversary 7" EP [long version] 9 a Silver Machine 10th Anniversary 7" EP [short version] 9 a Choose Your Masques [CD only] L 10 Bristol Custom Bike Show L 10 Assassins of Allah LP L 10 Dawn of Hawkwind CD {Silver Machine/Paranoia} L 11 Live At Reading '86 L 12 Travellers Aid Trust {Washing [Silver] Machine} L 13 Love In Space Sonic Attack L 1 Space Ritual Alive L 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 1 a Space Ritual II L 1 a Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 1 a Hawkwind: The Masters L 1 b Live '70/'73 L 1 b Welcome To The Future [Mausoleum LP] L 1 c Sonic Attack promo 7" L 1 c Masters of the Universe [Compilation] L 2 The 1999 Party L 3 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin L 3 a Early Daze ?L 3 a Silver Machine [Legend CD] L 4 Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/ Hawklords L 5 Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line L 6 The Hawklords Live L 7 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 [Cassette] 8 Sonic Attack 8 The Ambient Anarchists 9 Zones 9 Zones/Stonehenge CD L 10 Undisclosed Files L 11 Love in Space EP L 12 Hawkwind 1997 Spirit Of The Age L 1 Orgasmatron {Starfarer's Despatch} 2 Quark Strangeness And Charm 2 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 2 Repeat Performance 2 Tales From Atom Henge 2 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 3 Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/ Hawklords L 3 Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD L 3 Friends And Relations II LP (Twice Upon A Time) L 3 a Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line L 4 Weird 104 - Hawklords/Hawkwind Live 1978 L 5 The Hawklords Live L 6 Live '79 L 6 The Hawkwind Collection L 6 Ironstrike L 6 Castle Masters Collection L 6 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] L 6 The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind L 6 The Early Years Live EP L 6 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I L 6 The Hawkwind Anthology 1967-1982 [Castle 2CD] L 6 Acid Daze Vol. I L 6 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 6 Best of Hawkwind L 6 Space Is Deep L 6 Live & Rare (Onward Flies The Bird) L 6 Master of the Universe [Pulse CD] L 6 Live Chronicles [Castle 2CD bonus compilation disc] L 7 Solstice at Stonehenge 1983 8 Spirit of the Age (Solstice Remixes) Time We Left 1 Doremi Fasol Latido {Time We Left This World Today} L 2 Space Ritual Alive {Time We Left This World Today} L 3 Space Ritual II L 3 Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 3 Hawkwind: The Masters L 4 Palace Springs L 4 The Hawkwind Anthology 1967-1982 [Castle 2CD] L 5 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed Uncle Sam's On Mars L 1 Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and Watchfield L 1 Weird 103 - Free Festivals L 2 Weird 104 - Hawklords/Hawkwind Live 1978 L 3 PXR5 3 The Ambient Anarchists 3 Repeat Performance 4 Quark Strangeness and Charm CD single (Red Planet Radio Mix) 5 Quark Strangeness and Charm CD single (Martian Conquest Mix) Wastelands Of Sleep 1 The Xenon Codex 1 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] 1 The Hawkwind Anthology 1967-1982 [Castle 2CD] 2 The Agents of Chaos LP 2 Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos CD L 3 The Business Trip {Wastelands} 4 Area S4 EP {Wastelands} 4 Alien4 {Wastelands} L 5 Theta Orionis [bootleg CD] {Wastelands} L 6 Love In Space {Wastelands} Welcome To The Future L 1 Glastonbury Fayre L 1 Assassins of Allah LP L 1 Dawn of Hawkwind CD L 2 BBC Transcription Disc LP L 2 Space Rock From London L 2 a BBC Radio - Live in Concert CD L 3 Space Ritual Alive L 3 a Space Ritual II L 3 a Ridicule L 3 a Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 3 a Hawkwind: The Masters L 4 The 1999 Party L 5 Bring Me The Head of Yuri Gagarin L 5 Live '70/'73 L 5 Welcome To The Future [Mausoleum LP] L 6 Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/Hawklords {The Future} L 7 The Business Trip {This Future} L 8 Love In Space {Welcome} You Know You're Only Dreaming 1 X In Search Of Space 1 The Best of Hawkwind [EMI Metal Classics cassette] 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 The 1999 Party L 3 Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73 {Dreaming} L 3 In The Beginning L 3 The Text Of Festival L 3 Early Daze L 3 Silver Machine [Legend CD] L 3 a Live '70/'73 L 3 a Welcome To The Future [Mausoleum LP] L 4 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed L 5 The Business Trip {The Dream Has Ended} You Shouldn't Do That 1 X In Search Of Space 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73 L 2 a In The Beginning L 2 a The Text Of Festival L 3 The Text of Festival LP {Sound Shouldn't Improvise} L 3 The Text of Festival CD {Improvise, Comprise, Reprise} L 4 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II CD L 4 The Hawkwind Anthology 1967-1982 [Castle 2CD] L 4 Acid Daze Vol. III L 4 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. III LP L 4 The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind L 4 Night Riding L 4 The Hawkwind Collection LP L 4 Space Is Deep L 4 Live & Rare (Onward Flies The Bird) L 4 a Roadhawks L 4 a Stasis L 4 a (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords L 4 a Silver Machine CD [Spectrum compilation] L 4 a Space Ritual Alive [remastered CD only] L 4 b Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 5 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II {Watchfield Festival} L 5 The Hawkwind Anthology 1967-1982 [Castle 2CD] {Watchfield Festival} L 5 Acid Daze Vol. II {Watchfield Festival} L 6 Rock City L 7 The Business Trip {Do That} From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Mar 22 13:38:29 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:38:29 -0800 Subject: OFF: 10 most Loved Bands Message-ID: No particular order after the first three - 1. King's X - Nobody but nobody plays better 2. Savatage - The New rock and roll 3. BOC - Just because 4. Galactic Cowboys 5. Gary Hoey 6. Rush - 'cause they're good 7. Threshold 8. Y&T - They cut their hair, get off my back! 9. Queensryche - They can do no wrong with me 10. Helloween - Mostly becuase of Andi Deris Honorobale mentions - Shadow Gallery, Dream Theater, Steve Morse Band, Stone Temple Pilots, Prince (or whatever he calls himself these days.) 'nuff said Ghost in the Ruins NP - Bug Alley, Gary Hoey From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Mar 22 13:45:00 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 12:45:00 -0600 Subject: OFF: (Dick) Meltzer Message-ID: >First of all, I suspect that a lot of what was written in that article was bullshit. He dropped a lot of unsubstantiated stuff in that article (Allen in rehab, Buck about to be divorced). Sure, maybe I just don't WANT to believe stuff like that -- but even if it is true (and no one I know has given any indication that it is), I think the guy is a shit for printing it. Here here. What an asshole! >I also disliked how he can look at the people in the crowd and make a statement like "a dork in an $80 sweatsuit and doing the twist and holding a beer who looks like he lives with his mother (and maybe an aunt)". Where the hell does he get off writing shit like this? Its what they (assholes) do. I haven't seen you this emotional over a subject in a long time Mr. Swartz. No need to apologize, I'd want to kick his (Meltzer's ass) on GP alone. Behavior at Buck's wedding is unforgivable. Glad I was into BOC for the music, never really paid attention to Dick or Sandy. Now can you explain the "equipment snafu part of your review? I'm really confused. Ghost in the Ruins From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Mar 22 13:58:33 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:58:33 -0800 Subject: OFF: Apologies Message-ID: An experiment gone wild. Folks sincerest apologies. My little experiment (while a sucess) appears to have run rampant. As with anything thrown out on this forum, push enough buttons and the fallout spreads with the previaling wind. Let me explain: During the last Rush is good vs. Theo is bad 8>) I developed a theory that people on this list are more emotional in describing their dislikes than in describing their likes. People would also vigorously defend that which they like if someone else attacked it. For the most part this is true. The down side to this little experiment is that people tend to get emotional becuase of all the heavy traffic and the percieved slights/compliments. Now we all no what this formula means Emotional debate + heavy traffic - people who behave and are responsible + 1 little incident = Flame warfare. It hasn't really happened yet except poor Larry has been raked a few times over the AVI *Note to Larry - Welcome. You are now a full fledged member of BOC-L. No one on this list has been spared the napalm; everyone has been torched at some point. I'm still four shades darker than usual and that was at least 4 years ago. So apologising profusely I herby order myself into self-exile from BOC-l for the rest of this week. Thats right no nonsense shall rise from my keyboard for the remainder of this week. Slam me, sham me do anything you want (don't try that soap in the shower trick tho) I will not fire back. Need me do so privately. Thanks and sorry again Ghost in the Ruins From mordru at FLITE.NET Mon Mar 22 14:06:36 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:06:36 -0500 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) Message-ID: >At 10:28 22/03/99 -0500, Andrew A. Apold wrote: >>Time for another Hawkbrawl? Instead of comparing different songs, this >>time for different versions of songs that seem to appear all the time? >>Say MotU, Brainstorm, Silver Machine, Golden Void and... hell, SotA? > >My copy of the Codex is well out of date, but I found the following tracks >with 5 of more versions listed: > Angels Of Death, Assault And Battery, Brainstorm, Born To Go, > Dream Worker, The Five Seconds Of Forever, Ghost Dance, > Hassan I Sahba, Magnu, Master Of The Universe, Motorway City, > Paranoia, Silver Machine, Sonic Attack, You Shouldn't Do That, > Welcome To The Future. >Only Brainstorm, Master Of The Universe, and Silver Machine have more than >10 versions. > >If we do this, IMO we should exclude bootlegs and CD-Rs (e.g. Orgasmatron, >Rock City, ...) Agreed.... SotA you didn't list initially but you had with 8 versions from the codex later on in your message. But for the sake of arguement, I'd like to include Nikwind versions off of Space Ritual '94, for the sake of that Silver Machine.... ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Mar 22 14:23:17 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:23:17 -0000 Subject: BOC: "Dick" Meltzer In-Reply-To: <36F64AAB.89DB9B0E@mitre.org> Message-ID: John Well, it's obvious you were upset by the Richard Meltzer piece, and obviously I respect your feelings - but, maybe because I'm just a horrible person, I don't share them, and indeed can barely understand them. It's curious to me that given Meltzer's historical importance to BOC - according to the story, he's the guy that put the dots on the O! - you're immediately prepared to diss him. Is it through a sense that he's "broken ranks"; "let the side down"? It's uncharacteristic of you to insult someone, let alone without explaining why. Anyway, I'm not here to defend Meltzer - he doesn't need it and wouldn't welcome it anyway. But I'll try and explain how I saw the piece. First off, it clearly wasn't a gig review. It was a piece about Meltzer confronting some demons from his past, and trying to come to terms with them. At which, as we see, he wasn't entirely successful. It's also written from a tradition of guerrilla journalism that includes such luminaries as Hunter S Thompson, and I suppose to someone unfamiliar with that school it might seem a bit too in-yer-face. Me, I found it scurrilous, and scurrilous makes me laugh. Like I said, maybe I'm horrible. As for these "allegations", like Allen in rehab - certainly plausible, but I've no idea whether it's true, or simply his own jaundiced interpretation of reports of Allen's illness. Could be either, and I certainly wouldn't take his word for it, given his clearly expressed rancour towards Allen. But we're also getting into areas like, what's a legitimate topic for journalism? If it was some other group in question, like, let's say, the generally-despised Boston, would you be upset? Is being in rehab anything to be ashamed of anyway? I do think you're pushing it when you object to his ridicule of the guy in the crowd, though! Meltzer's observations of the show he saw are his own observations, take 'em or leave 'em. Surely what he was getting at with the "grin for fucking grin" stuff was that it was pretty much unchanged from the shows he recalls. (And he obviously doesn't regard "fucking" as a particularly strong word - he's expressing amazement, not cursing or being insulting.) He's not a fan, of course, and he hasn't been following them for years, so you wouldn't expect him to be sensitive to nuances. I thought his line about "good-time music" was spot-on, and summed up both what's good and what's frustrating about BOC: they still can put on a bloody good show (as you'd hope from such seasoned professionals), but it's an essentially static act that's not pushing any boundaries. And then, of course, the Roeser wedding incident. I'm reading between the lines a bit here, but I think that maybe he really did have trouble understanding how offensive he'd been. I'm sure Meltzer's behaved far worse many times, and each time it's been no big deal; in the annals of rock'n'roll excess, it's really very low on the scale. But what's revealing is that Don's private life wasn't the time or the place for rock'n'roll excess. I enjoyed the piece because it was interesting, and because it was written with passion. And, yes, having followed this band for over twenty years, I am interested in the personalities behind the music. Even if they're not very nice ones! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 22 14:29:49 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:29:49 +0000 Subject: OFF: 10 MOST HATED Message-ID: On m?n 22 mar 1999 17.11 +0000 "Stuart Hamilton" wrote: [Re: the Beatles] > I suspect my antipathy is tainted by 30 years of fawning reverence. Too > many polls claiming St Pepper as the greatest album of all time, by > people who who should know better. When I was 15, I thought they they _were_ the greatest band in the world. Mind you, the only other band I knew well then was the Monkees :) Context I see here again! For me the Beatles represented _real_ rock music, as opposed to 80s cheese. Guitars, free-thinking, drugs, no hair-spray .... Gee, kinda like "grunge", I guess :} Except more colourful :) [Re: The Stones] > sitting in the pub, someone puts "Brown Sugar" on the jukebox, > and my foot will tap:-) But talk about overstaying your welcome! It's > nigh on 25 years since they made a listenable record. Almost like the Beatles, but without the excuse of having broken up :) [Re: Queen] > it's probably the hypocrisy that grates Fair enough! Though I thought May was a good guitarist, and "Tie Your Mother Down" was a cool track. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 22 14:32:52 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:32:52 +0000 Subject: And now, a word from our sponsor (PLEASE READ) Message-ID: On m?n 22 mar 1999 13.12 +0000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > if somehow during the utterly miserable swirl of the last few days i either > failed to directly apologize to you or somehow insulted you as a byproduct of > the conflict (as has been suggested)... > ....please consider accepting my direct and personal apologies at this time. Well spoken. To quote Our Wizard Gandalf, "We're all friends here, or should be." Everyone I've met personally from this list has been very cool--even the ones who like Nirvana ;) There's not _so_ many of us that we can afford to be snarling at each other. Let's keep on rocking in the e-world ... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 22 14:34:24 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:34:24 +0000 Subject: HW: Ye Newe Hawkbrawle Message-ID: How shall me vote? Just clip out one version for each song listed in the sections posted from the Codex? -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From pookadad at DELTANET.COM Mon Mar 22 14:39:57 1999 From: pookadad at DELTANET.COM (Michael Karschner) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:39:57 -0800 Subject: And now, a word from our sponsor (PLEASE READ) Message-ID: Hey, dude--no problem. I thought everything was blown way out of proportion. DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > if somehow during the utterly miserable swirl of the last few days i either > failed to directly apologize to you or somehow insulted you as a byproduct of > the conflict (as has been suggested)... > ....please consider accepting my direct and personal apologies at this time. > > thank you > larry boyd plymouth ma From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Mar 22 14:53:31 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:53:31 +0000 Subject: OFF: 10 MOST HATED In-Reply-To: <2311999.3131119789@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > When I was 15, I thought they they _were_ the greatest band > in the world. Mind you, the only other band I knew well then was > the Monkees :) I was listening to a compilation tape of the Beatles when this blew up and though I can't say that they've ever struck me as particularly able musicians (George's guitar's all *right*), the songs themselves are none too bad and they still strike me as being incredibly innovative in lots of different ways. Even if they didn't originate their ideas (which given my grounding in 60s stuff is possible) they still used it good and fast. I'd cite 'Revolver' as well as 'Sgt. Pepper' for influence, though. > Context I see here again! For me the Beatles represented > _real_ rock music, as opposed to 80s cheese. Guitars, free-thinking, > drugs, no hair-spray .... > > Gee, kinda like "grunge", I guess :} Except more colourful :) Can't help laughing at that... When grunge hit the news in the UK it was mostly Nirvana, though there were some long-haired disreputable types who got very upset at the way Nirvana had hijacked the phenomenon when people like Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains, who somehow 'deserved' success more, were being left behind. And with Nirvana, the stance on drugs always seemed to be, "No, I tried that and it's crap as well." The US perception was probably a bit, well, closer to the music. As for Queen, I'd vote to rescuing 'Seven Seas of Rhye' before throwing their songs on the fire... It aches to be covered by someone really distorted and obnoxious... > Fair enough! Though I thought May was a good guitarist, > and "Tie Your Mother Down" was a cool track. Yeah, that can stay too :-) Yours, Jon -- /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | =====================================================================| | "Probability level 1 to 1. We have normality, I repeat, we have | | normality. Anything you still can't deal with is therefore your own | \_________________________ problem." ______________________________/ \_____________/ From stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM Mon Mar 22 14:55:27 1999 From: stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:55:27 -0500 Subject: HW: Ye Newe Hawkbrawle Message-ID: > > How shall me vote? Just clip out one version for each > song listed in the sections posted from the Codex? > > Well, OK heres the thing, I organised the last two HAWKBRAWLs but I'm a little busy on the work front right now to do another one. Last time fofp did the fave track HAWKBRAWL ( 'cos I told him he was nuts to even contemplate it, so he said fine I'll do it) So if you/anybody wanna do this, (or any other variant eg its probably time for another full album BRAWL given the boys have probably released another 10-15 albums of one form or another in the last 4 years, or fave side project a poll I've always wanted to do) then please go for it. I can send the rather antiquated voting scripts to anyone who wants, or maybe we come up with another system ? Didn't you come up with the HAWKBRAWL name Carl (many moons ago) ? I think 'twas you no ? Cheers, Steve L From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Mon Mar 22 15:17:07 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 12:17:07 -0800 Subject: OFF: 10 MOST HATED Message-ID: The first album I ever bought was "Abbey Road", in 1970, I was 10 years old. Heh, I thought everyone liked the Beatles.. Heck, even my old Dad likes the Beatles and he hates rock music like it was poison. No, they weren't top musicians.. But the Lennon/McCartney song writing team has yet to be beat and will live on long and long.. In 100 years will anyone remember Mr. Meltzer for instance? You can bet the Beatles will be remembered though. I think McCartney was an under rated bassist and John, while not technically great, had a knack for a tune that is not often seen. Even if you dislike their music, you have to give them credit for the great influence they had on rock music and culture.. Lay off my Beatles! (smile) JB > -----Original Message----- > On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > > When I was 15, I thought they they _were_ the greatest band > > in the world. Mind you, the only other band I knew well then was > > the Monkees :) > > I was listening to a compilation tape of the Beatles when this > blew up and though I can't say that they've ever struck me as > particularly > able musicians (George's guitar's all *right*), the songs themselves > are none too bad and they still strike me as being incredibly > innovative > in lots of different ways. Even if they didn't originate their ideas > (which given my grounding in 60s stuff is possible) they still used it > good and fast. I'd cite 'Revolver' as well as 'Sgt. Pepper' > for influence, > though. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 22 15:23:08 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:23:08 +0000 Subject: OFF: 10 MOST HATED Message-ID: On m?n 22 mar 1999 19.53 +0000 "Jonathan Jarrett" wrote: > I was listening to a compilation tape of the Beatles when this > blew up and though I can't say that they've ever struck me as particularly > able musicians (George's guitar's all *right*), the songs themselves > are none too bad and they still strike me as being incredibly innovative > in lots of different ways. Even if they didn't originate their ideas > (which given my grounding in 60s stuff is possible) they still used it > good and fast. I'd cite 'Revolver' as well as 'Sgt. Pepper' for influence, > though. The Beatles' importance in terms of influence far outstrips their actual product. I remember everyone thinking the "reconstructed" Beatles track from a few years back was pretty lame--well, it wasn't any lamer than yer average forgotten tune from side B of _Help!_. But there's a reason people forgot them :) Beyond the usual Revolver, Pepper, and white album picks, I think they were far more influential on other bands at the time. Lemmy standing gob-smacked at the Cavern thinking, "I can pull birds like this." :) I'll always like them for the context from which I remember them, even the really dated cover tunes from the early albums :) > Can't help laughing at that... When grunge hit the news in the UK > it was mostly Nirvana, though there were some long-haired disreputable > types who got very upset at the way Nirvana had hijacked the phenomenon > when people like Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains, who somehow 'deserved' > success more, were being left behind. And with Nirvana, the stance on > drugs always seemed to be, "No, I tried that and it's crap as well." The > US perception was probably a bit, well, closer to the music. But I think the whole "heroin chic" thing now started from there. Among Cobain's many problems was being a heroin addict--same with a lotta people in bands from that scene. (which is not to say that Garcia wasn't also!). So unglamourous, that it's glamourous. A real grunge drug. Nasty, as the Lemmster points out. I kinda liked Alice in Chains, though I never bought any of their records. I could admit liking their riffs less reluctantly than with Nirvana. Never warmed to Pearl Jam. Now, Mudhoney ... their guitar player is a Hawkwind fan, as I recall :) Cheers, Carl ps - Hmmm, time to consider getting dressed and going to the pub! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 22 15:26:17 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:26:17 +0000 Subject: HW: Ye Newe Hawkbrawle Message-ID: On m?n 22 mar 1999 14.55 -0500 "Stephen Lindsey" wrote: > Didn't you come up with the HAWKBRAWL name Carl (many moons ago) ? > I think 'twas you no ? Was it? Damn, I don't remember that. Shoot, that musta been 92 or 93 or something. I deny everything! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Mon Mar 22 15:29:49 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:29:49 -0500 Subject: BOC: Meltzer and BOC in Boston stuff Message-ID: Just following up on a few things. BTW, Meltzer's article pissed me off, true - but, if people feel differently than me on it, that's cool by me - I didn't mean to imply that anyone's reactions here pissed me off as well. Now, on to a few replies... > OK, now the question is what about Meltzer's lyrics after 1973? I > wouldn't say he was gone in the darkness and never to appear again > until recently. > > Death Valley Nights, Dr. Music, Lips In The Hills, Burnin' For You and > Veins. Latter three are Buck & Meltzer cooperation. Well, I can't speak for anyone here, but I suspect that BOC did have plenty of contact with Meltzer after '73, but not in the same capacity as folks like Pearlman and Krugman. My guess is that he made lots of his lyrics available to the band (or perhaps at least certain individuals that he was on good turns with - probably Albert). The fact that Meltzer and Buck appear in the credits of the same song doesn't necessarily mean that the two collaborated together on anything. Buck probably put music to Meltzer's lyrics, without a lot of discussion between the two of them. That's my theory anyway. Again, I'd defer to someone such as Albert to provide further insight into Meltzer's relationship with either BOC the band or individual members. Curious though - if Buck did have little to do with Meltzer after the early 70s, I would wonder why the guy would want to have his music put to Meltzer's lyrics. But, the quote of Meltzer "dissappearing" was made by Buck's wife... > I haven't seen you this emotional over a subject in a long time Mr. Swartz. Yeah, maybe it's just because I got to see them live again last week, and I don't want anyone pissing on my good time... > Now can you explain the "equipment snafu part of your review? I'm really > confused. Not fully, but it was in reference to a comment made by Joe Coughlin, who was helping out the Johnny Black Trio (opening act). Apparently there was some mis-communication with BOC's road crew and the opening bands and basically they had moved some of their equipment off to the side of the stage, and were then told by BOC's road crew that BOC would not perform unless/until all of their equipment was removed. Joe and members of the Johnny Black Trio (big BOC fans, and largely responsible for BOC getting booked at the Middle East) either missed part of the show, or lost their places on the floor because they had to move equipment, and then get re-admitted to the club. I can't speak for anyone as to how this all came about, but there understandably were some upset BOC fans. > > Well, it's obvious you were upset by the Richard Meltzer piece, and > obviously I respect your feelings - but, maybe because I'm just a horrible > person, I don't share them, and indeed can barely understand them. It's > curious to me that given Meltzer's historical importance to BOC - according > to the story, he's the guy that put the dots on the O! - you're immediately > prepared to diss him. Is it through a sense that he's "broken ranks"; "let > the side down"? It's uncharacteristic of you to insult someone, let alone > without explaining why. You aren't a horrible person and I was out-of-character with my remarks. I stand by 'em, but part of the reason for the confusion may have been that I posted my review of the Boston show on several BOC forums - several others had already had ongoing discussions over the Meltzer article. I realized afterward that there had been no previous discussion on BOC-L about this article (in fact most of BOC-L probably didn't know about it), so my initial "Meltzer is a Dick" comment must have been surprising. Guess I just thought everyone who didn't know what I was referring to would assume that "Dick" was slang for "Richard"... :-) > First off, it clearly wasn't a gig review. My interpretation was, and still is, that it WAS a gig review. Of course, I don't know exactly what kind of magazine "Rocket" is... > Me, I found it scurrilous, > and scurrilous makes me laugh. Like I said, maybe I'm horrible. Fine by me. I would have to say that despite my strong reactions to it, I did find it informative -- it certainly provided another glimpse that BOC would never be confused with the Partridge Family... ;-) As I have said, you can call me a fanboy - I've been called a boot-licker here in the past. But, that's who I am. When I wrote the FAQ, I took effort to try and touch upon stuff in BOC's past which is not exactly "warm and fuzzy", but I also tried to do it in a way that wouldn't present anyone in the band in a bad light. Yeah, it might have been more interesting to try and get the "dirt" on some things (let me say that another former associate of BOC offered to help me out in this area), but I didn't think that a fan-based document should have a lot of allegations between two sides. > > As for these "allegations", like Allen in rehab - certainly plausible, but > I've no idea whether it's true, or simply his own jaundiced interpretation > of reports of Allen's illness. Could be either, and I certainly wouldn't > take his word for it, given his clearly expressed rancour towards Allen. Yep. But, I first of all don't find it appropriate to allege it if it isn't true for one -- and even if it is, I don't find it appropriate for Allen to be "outed" by someone such as Meltzer. If the band had made such an announcement that Allen was taking time off for rehab, then I think it would have been fair game for someone to report it. But, his unsubstantiated allegation is at best tabloid journalism, and slander at worst. > I do think you're pushing it when you object to his ridicule of the guy in > the crowd, though! Well, it was just more stupidity from him - but just because he saw some guy and somehow made the mental leap that the guy must live with his mother and maybe an aunt, I don't think it warranted commentary in what I still assume was his review of a BOC show. > And then, of course, the Roeser wedding incident. I'm reading between the > lines a bit here, but I think that maybe he really did have trouble > understanding how offensive he'd been. I'm sure Meltzer's behaved far worse > many times, and each time it's been no big deal; in the annals of > rock'n'roll excess, it's really very low on the scale. But what's revealing > is that Don's private life wasn't the time or the place for rock'n'roll > excess. Yeah, no one will ever confuse my life with Meltzer's, or probably anyone who's lived the "rock n roll lifestyle". If it had been my wedding, Meltzer would have gotten his ass kicked -- that's not bragging on my part - I'm sure it wouldn't have been me kicking his ass (I would have had lots of friends and relatives knocking eachother out of the way to get to him). As always, this is IMHO, or at times IMNSHO. Again, I took no offense to those of you that didn't think as I did when reading Meltzer's article. John From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Mar 22 15:23:43 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:23:43 -0500 Subject: OFF: GARRRUNNNGGGG!!! Message-ID: Jon said... > Gee, kinda like "grunge", I guess :} Except more colourful :) > > Can't help laughing at that... When grunge hit the news in the UK >it was mostly Nirvana, though there were some long-haired disreputable >types who got very upset at the way Nirvana had hijacked the phenomenon >when people like Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains, who somehow 'deserved' >success more, were being left behind. I assume you only mean at the beginning of Nirvana's rise. Certainly, Pearl Jam and AiC have received more success than they ever deserved as well. I always thought the alternative movement (not necessarily grunge per se) began well before 'Seattle' days, originally in Minneapolis with the Replacements, Husker Du, and Soul Asylum. And also in LA. Jane's Addiction eventually, but also the Minutemen/fIREHOSE and X (I guess..dunno much about 'em)...and anyone on SST. The Seattle/Portland bands just dumbed it down until it was consumable by the masses. The final result: Matchbox 20!! Keith H. (FAA) P.S. Yes, Soul Asylum was once fairly good, before they ever got the idea of writing something as awful as 'Runaway Train.' From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 22 16:06:46 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:06:46 +0000 Subject: OFF: GARRRUNNNGGGG!!! Message-ID: On m?n 22 mar 1999 15.23 -0500 "Keith Henderson" wrote: > I always thought the alternative movement (not necessarily grunge per se) > began well before 'Seattle' days I thought the alternative movement began when some caveman decided the way those other guys banged rocks together sucked and he had a brilliant new vision .... :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Mar 22 16:04:01 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:04:01 +0000 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: <199903221839.SAA15736@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Now I'm not sure what we're meant to be doinf here but my guess of this here hawkbrawl is that we pick our fave versions from the following list, right? (Shout at me if i'm wrong, ok) This is limited by the various holes in my hawks collection but here goes: >Angels Of Death > L 2 This is Hawkwind - Do Not Panic >Brainstorm > L 2 a BBC Radio - Live In Concert CD >Death Trap > 5 Area S4 EP (yes, really :) >Dream Worker > L 4 Travellers Aid Trust {Blue Dreamer} >Ejection Whilst avoiding near-relations for other songs (ie. ICU versions), even with a gun held to my head i would say the version on Capt. Lockheed. Oh, was that a hammer being cocked? Okay then, > 4 Out And Intake >The Golden Void > 1 Warrior On The Edge Of Time >Hassan I Sabha > 1 Quark Strangeness And Charm >High Rise > 2 PXR5 [LP only] >The Iron Dream > 4 Alien4 {Are You Losing Your Mind?} >Love in Space (don't care for it at all but:) > 3 Love in Space EP >Magnu > 1 Warrior On The Edge Of Time >Master Of The Universe ooh, fuckin ell, errm, > 2 X In Search of Space >Motorway City > 5 Motorway City/ Master of the Universe 7" >Needle Gun > 1 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword >Paranoia > 1 Hawkwind >Psychedelic Warlords > 2 Hall Of The Mountain Grill >Right to Decide > L 4 The Business Trip >Seven by Seven > L 2 a BBC Radio - Live In Concert CD >Shot Down in the Night > 3 a Friends And Relations III {Psychedelia Lives} >Silver Machine > L 12 Travellers Aid Trust {Washing [Silver] Machine} >Sonic Attack > L 6 The Hawklords Live >Spirit Of The Age > L 3 Friends And Relations II LP (Twice Upon A Time) s) >Time We Left > L 2 Space Ritual Alive {Time We Left This World Today} >Uncle Sam's On Mars > L 3 PXR5 >Wastelands Of Sleep couldn't care less: pin out time, > 1 The Xenon Codex >Welcome To The Future > L 2 a BBC Radio - Live in Concert CD >You Know You're Only Dreaming > L 3 The Text Of Festival (i know the sound is a bit shitty, but there's just such an atmosphere about the song here) >You Shouldn't Do That > L 7 The Business Trip {Do That} thats yr lot! andrew Mama 'll have to buy him a muzzle: Sit when I say "sit!" And come when I whistle -Thee Headcoatees From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Mar 22 16:12:13 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:12:13 -0000 Subject: BOC: Meltzer and BOC in Boston stuff In-Reply-To: <36F6A81B.1859E117@mitre.org> Message-ID: > As I have said, you can call me a fanboy - I've been called a > boot-licker here in the past. But, that's who I am. When I wrote the > FAQ, I took effort to try and touch upon stuff in BOC's past which is > not exactly "warm and fuzzy", but I also tried to do it in a way that > wouldn't present anyone in the band in a bad light. Yeah, it might have > been more interesting to try and get the "dirt" on some things (let me > say that another former associate of BOC offered to help me out in this > area), but I didn't think that a fan-based document should have a lot of > allegations between two sides. > I wouldn't call you a bootlicker - I'd just say you really, really hate to cause offence to anyone! But yes, that's obviously the right attitude to take the FAQ, which is more in the nature of a reference work than a piece of journalism. I'm reasonably sure you won't be putting "Meltzer is a dick" in version 4.0 (even if you think he's a complete plonker). And it's the same on my Amon D??l II webpage - it's not the right place to quote what Renate said to me about John Weinzierl! :)) (Though being me, I'd like to read the dirt as well... :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Mon Mar 22 16:15:47 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:15:47 -0500 Subject: OFF: 10 MOST HATED In-Reply-To: <2504402.3131122988@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> from "Carl Edlund Anderson" at Mar 22, 99 08:23:08 pm Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > > Now, Mudhoney ... their guitar player is a Hawkwind fan, > as I recall :) You're thinking of Mark Arm, the closest thing to an icon that the grunge movement had. He listed Doremi as one of his top 10 albums of all time. Steve swann at plutonia.com From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Mon Mar 22 16:19:32 1999 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:19:32 +0100 Subject: BOC: "Dick" Meltzer In-Reply-To: <001201be7499$700d7120$913f63c3@default> Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: >I enjoyed the piece because it was interesting, and because it was written >with passion. And, yes, having followed this band for over twenty years, I >am interested in the personalities behind the music. Even if they're not >very nice ones! Ha! Now you are provoking the analyst in me. :-) Apparently Meltzer behaved like a pathetic jealous loser. What Sandy described was what really happened. What Meltzer described is what he wanted to happen, but he didn't have guts. In both cases he wanted to hurt, because he was (for him/them known reasons) hurted. Guess why. Was he wannabe (ex) lover, or something really triangular happened before? Feeling up Buck's mother (revenge to Buck), calling Sandy Nazi (you hurted me violently), showing genitalia (look folks, I used my instrument before Buck). Hence the passion in the article. Buck is looking forward to divorce, or Meltzer? Here remains for analysis the window question. -- Goran From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Mar 22 16:08:27 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:08:27 -0500 Subject: OFF: GARRRUNNNGGGG!!! Message-ID: Carl said... >> I always thought the alternative movement (not necessarily grunge per se) >> began well before 'Seattle' days > > I thought the alternative movement began when some caveman >decided the way those other guys banged rocks together sucked >and he had a brilliant new vision .... Simon King? Keith H. (FAA) From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Mon Mar 22 16:30:08 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:30:08 -0500 Subject: OFF: GARRRUNNNGGGG!!! In-Reply-To: <199903222033.PAA04398@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu> from "Keith Henderson" at Mar 22, 99 03:23:43 pm Message-ID: Keith Henderson writes: > > I always thought the alternative movement (not necessarily grunge per se) > began well before 'Seattle' days, originally in Minneapolis with the > Replacements, Husker Du, and Soul Asylum. And also in LA. Jane's Addiction > eventually, but also the Minutemen/fIREHOSE and X (I guess..dunno much about > 'em)...and anyone on SST. The Seattle/Portland bands just dumbed it down > until it was consumable by the masses. The final result: Matchbox 20!! The alternative movement is a myth invented by the music marketing and sales industry, because they need a "category" to tell record stores to file the albums under. I'll bet that BOC's first album would have been classified as "alternative", if the marketroids had thought of that term in 1972. But the musical lineage that you're talking about goes back through the punk movement and the Stooges, and probably back to bizzarro proto-punk like Hasil Adkins, at which point I lose the thread of it. ;-) Steve swann at plutonia.com From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Mar 22 16:30:05 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:30:05 -0000 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > >Needle Gun > > 1 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword > I'd have to go with _Malpractise_ on this one... :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From jandl at ENTER.NET Mon Mar 22 16:27:15 1999 From: jandl at ENTER.NET (John & Lynn) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:27:15 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind mailing list, new from Hawkeye Message-ID: Please remove name from mailing list. Thanks Adrian Parr wrote: > Hi folksI'm setting up a Hawkwind mailing list to compliment the > trad. postal version.To join, check out the bottom of the Hawkeye home > page for link to > form:http://www.conifersclose.freeseve.co.uk/index.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Mon Mar 22 17:19:37 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:19:37 -0500 Subject: BOC: Meltzer and BOC in Boston stuff In-Reply-To: <36F6A81B.1859E117@mitre.org> Message-ID: Curiouser and curiouser... I think if there was ever a top 10 list for _WEIRD_ weeks for the list, this and the last one would have to be tops. It's been more intense than the weekend of the Tshirt design deluge waaaay back when to say the least. Some comments: 12. About the lyrics for the Oyster Boys- In one of the interviews out there w/Albert or somebody else (buck perhaps?), it was said that the BOC used to carry around "sheaves(or is that sheafs?) of lyrics" to set to music that were thought to be of cool quality. 4. On Meltzer, Oyster Cults and Bears, oh my! -- What really interests me after running the SFG stuff a few times in the weekend while deleting a heck of a lot of email :), is the really drastic transition that the group did undergo from St. Cecila, for example, to 7 Screaming Diz-busters (a la OYF). The shift in song construction (and group dynamics too I suppose)is really quite staggering. IF SFG could have made it as psychadelic people/warlords, Buck's style would probably be very differnt fer one. The mind wobbles gently in the cranium... For me, at least, that's been one of my top 3 burning questions. I don't remember the other two, but that isn't important. >Yeah, maybe it's just because I got to see them live again last week, >and I don't want anyone pissing on my good time... That's why one should always wear a raincoat and bring an umbrella :) (stupid comment, but true) >I realized afterward that there had been no previous >discussion on BOC-L about this article (in fact most of BOC-L probably >didn't know about it), so my initial "Meltzer is a Dick" comment must >have been surprising. Guess I just thought everyone who didn't know >what I was referring to would assume that "Dick" was slang for >"Richard"... :-) Or a private eye. ... So in the end, yu did the list a service by bringing the Meltzer thing to our attention. You go John! heh. >My interpretation was, and still is, that it WAS a gig review. Of >course, I don't know exactly what kind of magazine "Rocket" is... A friend of mine who is fond of and familiar with Portland says its a weekly magazine much like the local rags full of music reviews, concert listings, obscure news articles and things like that. I thought it was a gig review too, but what makes it weird to read for us I think is the historical embedding of Meltzer into the whole BOC phenom. If "Joe q. Twentysomething" had submitted an account of the same show, god knows it would be drastically different. Melter was definately confronting something in revisiting the music he helped spawn. His comments about the music I thought were interesting in regardsto ME 262's near impossible line "blasting all 4m quinjets in my snout" -- (I'm probably a little wrong in typing it here, since I lent the lyric book from Bolle's organization to a potential convert). Not as good as good old Joe, Jason (PS- I think my "new" sig line is strangely appropriate to the list. Let's all go drink some cappucinos and call it a night.) "I'm in a FOUL mood today. Stay outa my way or I'll CRITIQUE YOUR ASS to hell. Just ME,just YOU...a decent song. You wanna see THEM, see THEM. I don't give a shit." - Richard Meltzer From hogard at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Mar 22 17:37:26 1999 From: hogard at HOTMAIL.COM (James A. Hogard) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:37:26 CST Subject: BOC: Meltzerstiltskin Message-ID: Goran Janicijevic wrote: >And who is Ramplestiltskin? >From the Bros. Grimm, I believe. Here's a version from http://candlelightstories.com: Once upon a time there was a poor woodcutter who had a beautiful daughter. The woodcutter was very proud of her. One day he boasted to the king, "My daughter can spin straw into gold." If your daughter can do this," said the king, "bring her to me and I shall see." So the woodcutter went home and told his daughter to wear her most lovely dress and come before the king. The king took the girl to a room in his castle that was filled with straw. As he showed her the spinning wheel in the corner he said, "Spin this straw into gold by sunrise or you shall die." The woodcutter's daughter sat on the stool and began to cry. Suddenly, the door creaked open and a strange little man appeared. "What will you give me to spin this straw into gold?" asked the little man. "I'll gladly give you my necklace." "Good," he said taking the necklace. The little man set to work and by sunrise the room was filled with gold. When the king saw the gold he became greedy. He got more straw. "By sunrise all this shall be gold." Once more the woodcutter's daughter began to cry. In a moment the door opened and in came the strange little fellow. "What will you give me this time?" he asked. "I'll gladly give you my ring," said the girl. "Good," said the little man as he sat down to spin the straw. By sunrise all the straw was gold. Once more the king was pleased. He got even more straw. "Spin this straw into gold and in the morning I shall marry you and make you my queen." When the king went away the little fellow returned. "What will you give me this time?" he asked. "I've nothing left to give," replied the woodcutter's daughter. "Then you shall give me your first child when you are queen." She promised the little man her first child. By sunrise the straw was gold and the king married the woodcutter's daughter. The happy queen had a baby boy and forgot all about her promise. One day the little man came to take the queen's baby boy. The queen begged to keep her child. The little man said, "You have three days to guess my name. If you can't, I shall take your baby boy." All night the queen thought of every name. In the morning when the little man came she tried all of them. At each one the little man said, "No. It is not I." On the second day she tried even more names. "No. It is not I," said the little man. That night one of the queen's messengers came to her to tell of a strange sight indeed. While riding through the forest he had seen a fire. Around the fire danced an odd fellow who sang a song. This was what he sang: "Today I bake, tomorrow I brew, Then, dear prince, I come for you. None can guess, none can claim That Rumpelstiltskin is my name." That night the little man came calling. "What is my name?" he asked, jumping up and down. "It's Robin," answered the queen. "It is not!" "It's Jack," said the queen. "It is not!" "Then Rumpelstiltskin is your name." At this the little fellow flew into a rage. "Curses!", he shrieked, and stamped his feet so hard that he fell through the floor and disappeared forever. Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Mon Mar 22 17:55:38 1999 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:55:38 -0700 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: <199903221528.KAA17725@issfire1.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: > > Time for another Hawkbrawl? Instead of comparing different songs, this > time for different versions of songs that seem to appear all the time? > Say MotU, Brainstorm, Silver Machine, Golden Void and... hell, SotA? > > ============================================ > "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random > > Andrew Apold And that is precisely one of the main things I love about Hawkwind. I like Yes, but if I listened to the live stuff on "Keys To Ascension" ('96) and then "Yessongs" ('72) blindfolded, I probably wouldn't know the difference. On the very other hand, Brainstorm ('89) sounds very different from Brainstorm ('90) sounds very different from Brainstorm ('91) etc. Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu From stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM Mon Mar 22 18:09:24 1999 From: stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:09:24 -0500 Subject: HW: Ye Newe Hawkbrawle Message-ID: > > On m?n 22 mar 1999 14.55 -0500 "Stephen Lindsey" > wrote: > > Didn't you come up with the HAWKBRAWL name Carl (many moons ago) ? > > I think 'twas you no ? > > Was it? Damn, I don't remember that. Shoot, that musta been > 92 or 93 or something. I deny everything! Yes '92, and haven't you been in school ever since ???? Haven't you finished Mangling those Angles yet ??? ;-) Steve L From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Mar 22 18:22:50 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:22:50 -0500 Subject: OFF: 10 MOST HATED In-Reply-To: <36F679AB.45DA1FCC@connectfree.co.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Stuart Hamilton wrote: =>Carl Edlund Anderson cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk wrote =>> The Beatles - sloppy songwriters, poor musicians, vastly overrated. => =>>Yeah, but I liked a lot of their records anyway. I _was_ born after they broke up :) => =>Well, I was 4, so my musical taste was pretty well defined by then. I =>suspect my antipathy is tainted by 30 years of fawning reverence. Too =>many polls claiming St Pepper as the greatest album of all time, by =>people who who should know better. If I didn't know better, it's almost as if you're saying "I don't like the Beatles because everyone else does." ;-) I have to admit that I was neutrally---even negatively---disposed towards the Beatles, mainly because of the "hype" I felt surrounded them. That was until I bothered actually to listen to them seriously (as opposed to hearing a handful of the "hits," which was my previous exposure). One spin of _Revolver_ was enough to tell me I'd *seriously* underestimated these guys! And then _Abbey Road_ went into heavy rotation. (_Revolver_ is still my favourite, and, IMHO, their magnum opus.) You may dislike the Beatles for their critical and popular acclaim, but I find it hard to countenance the "sloppy songwriting" allegation. Songs don't get lodged as deep in the collective international psyche as deeply, and endure as long as a lot of Beatles songs by being "sloppy." Some of these songs are iconic, now. Obviously they must be doing *something* right. :-) IMHO, the Beatles truly are one of the great bands (more so if you appraise their achievements in context). Cheers, Paul. obJonesin'For: Gov't Mule, _Live, With a Little Help From our Friends_ (due 3/23) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 22 18:54:32 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 23:54:32 +0000 Subject: BOC: Meltzer and BOC in Boston stuff Message-ID: On m?n 22 mar 1999 17.19 -0500 "Bolts of Ungodly Vision" wrote: > (PS- I think my "new" sig line is strangely appropriate to the list. Let's > all go drink some cappucinos and call it a night.) Cappucino! Dah-dah, dah-Dah, dah-DAH! Sorry :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 22 18:59:27 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 23:59:27 +0000 Subject: HW: Ye Newe Hawkbrawle Message-ID: On m?n 22 mar 1999 18.09 -0500 "Stephen Lindsey" wrote: >> Was it? Damn, I don't remember that. Shoot, that musta been >> 92 or 93 or something. I deny everything! > > Yes '92, and haven't you been in school ever since ???? > Haven't you finished Mangling those Angles yet ??? Almost (on both counts ;) I _was_ a free numeric variable for a couple of years. Then I foolishly quit my job and went off to school again in order to become highly educated in things about which no one gives a f*@% :) Luckily, whilst working, I made enough money to buy a guitar so I feel all right :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 22 19:02:26 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 00:02:26 +0000 Subject: OFF: 10 MOST HATED Message-ID: On m?n 22 mar 1999 18.22 -0500 "Paul Mather" wrote: > (_Revolver_ is still my favourite, and, IMHO, > their magnum opus.) I agree _completely_. There are excellent moments on the other albums (and some dodgy Paul songs on _Revolver_), but somehow that's where it comes together for me. When I DJ for the Cambridge rock club, I commonly include "Taxman" in the same set as Kyuss :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Mon Mar 22 20:17:33 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:17:33 -0600 Subject: BOC: "Dick" Meltzer Message-ID: Goran Janicijevic wrote: > > Andy Gilham wrote: > > >I enjoyed the piece because it was interesting, and because it was written > >with passion. And, yes, having followed this band for over twenty years, I > >am interested in the personalities behind the music. Even if they're not > >very nice ones! > > Ha! Now you are provoking the analyst in me. :-) > > Apparently Meltzer behaved like a pathetic jealous loser. What Sandy > described was what really happened. What Meltzer described is what he > wanted to happen, but he didn't have guts. > > In both cases he wanted to hurt, because he was (for him/them known > reasons) hurted. Guess why. Was he wannabe (ex) lover, or something > really triangular happened before? > > Feeling up Buck's mother (revenge to Buck), calling Sandy Nazi (you > hurted me violently), showing genitalia (look folks, I used my > instrument before Buck). > > Hence the passion in the article. Buck is looking forward to divorce, > or Meltzer? > > Here remains for analysis the window question. > -- > Goran Huh? Are you making this stuff up ;-). Or maybe his frustration was due to the jealousy he felt because of his mothers love for his father, I'm sure if Freud where here he would say something like that :-). Laj. From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Mon Mar 22 21:00:25 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:00:25 -0600 Subject: R.U.Ready? Message-ID: Andrew Apold wrote: > > > No, I love it.... and not in that same way, either.... I've always felt > it somehow belonged into the Imaginos cycle, and picture a scene > in the future, where some great calamity or cataclysm is hanging over > everyone's heads, an impending doom or something, and during this > a concert is held, perhaps by the imaginos character directly.... > > "Everybody's praying" > "To the station of night" I though of a radio station playing music with a darker theme, preaching to the ignorance of the masses, and getting people to finally listen. > and > > "ain't gonna get those countdown blues" > > as the time grows increasingly short. Cool, I've always liked to think that was a slam against top 40 radio drones, the drones being the horribly predictable, close-minded, top 40 "only" radio listener, "Time to play B sides" :-). The "I only live to be born again" referring to the awakening, when the "station of night" converts the listener. > What happens then, I dunno, not in the context of that song. > Imaginos always seems to be there when things go bad, though, so > his being there (this is all conjecture on idle speculation on > my part) can't be a good sign. > > ============================= > "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to > be subject to the works of those mighty > among dreamers." > > - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" > > Andrew Apold I do enjoy taking about lyrical meanings, your average Cult song can bring on so many different images and interpretations, it's always fun for discussion, definitely not black and white, closer to red and black :-). Which reminds me of something Buck once said: "Video really trivializes music, it really locks you into a mental image that's not your own. It used to be when you heard a tune you used to have associations in your own life with it, and now all you can think of when you hear a song is what the video looks like. That's unfortunate to me" Not a truer statement's been spoken. Laj. From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Mon Mar 22 21:11:57 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:11:57 -0600 Subject: BOC R.U. Ready/Imaginos Message-ID: Steven Tice wrote: > > > And don't forget the line that most obviously connects the tale to Imaginos: > > "I only live to be born again" > > I believe the FAQ lists R.U. Ready 2 Rock as a song intended for the third and > final portion of the tale...don't have it with me to check at the moment... > > SET I think that's correct, one thing I love about the Imaginos songs is the way they stand completely independent on their own, all with a unique story to tell. But then you can combine them and form a Power Rangers Megazord combat robot :-). Laj. From crow at ASCENT.NET Mon Mar 22 20:27:46 1999 From: crow at ASCENT.NET (crow) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:27:46 -0500 Subject: OFF:Hated Bands; A confession Message-ID: Hi... My names crow and I'm a styx fan. Actually, I'm the "major styx fan" that Torgo had mentioned a few days ago. I like a lot of the bands mentioned so far (if not truly liked, at least had a passing fancy for). I would just like to add to the "Not in my CD player" list. Sepultura "Roots, Bloody Roots" sounds more like bloody vocal chords to me. Type O Negative King Diamond Like I said, I am a styx fan. Shoot me if you must. At one time I owned everything they had ever put out (save the Man of Miracles album). And yes, I also have some Rush CD's. But in my defense my BOC collection is nearly complete and I own one HW CD and have two more on order. I've not checked my mail for a while and this thread may be dead. If so, my apologies. I'm still not current with what's up on this list. Oh well, no one is perfect. 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URL: From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Mar 23 02:58:54 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 07:58:54 -0000 Subject: BOC: Meltzerstiltskin In-Reply-To: <19990322223726.7602.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: Not to be confused with Levi's ad one-hit wonders Stiltskin, whose singer went off and joined Genesis. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Tue Mar 23 03:02:54 1999 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 03:02:54 EST Subject: BOC: "Dick" Meltzer Message-ID: Carl wrote > Yeah, I hastily revised my thoughts on whether the tunes we(re) recent collaborations after reading Meltzer few kind words for Our Man Al The "fuck you Al" wasn't directed at Albert...and one of the pieces Meltzer read to tBS accompaniment in Portland 18 months ago is slated to appear on the new tBS, according to AB. It also appeared in his book "The Night (Alone)" as "Kerouac never drove, so he never drove alone". I can't remember what AB said the song will be called; hopefully we won't have to wait long to find out. It's a very good lyric. -Chris Baker From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Mar 23 03:20:04 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 03:20:04 EST Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) Message-ID: In a message dated 3/20/99 1:37:07 PM, swann at PLUTONIA.COM writes: <<> IMO Live 79 sticks out at as a step sideways and backwards into mere metal > mediocrity. >> bout time i showed up at this party for me>>>> ...i didnt notice the synth per se in "shot down..." but i did a double take when the cheesy organ sound pops up...all things considered that was my fave song on that lp; simon king's last gasp...i guess you're right about portions of the drumming, but i've got several shows from this tour and that lp isnt the best playing he/they did on that tour... alas, simon w/o lemmy was like an engine w/o oil...he sounds so dead on the swindells' lp...i asked mr brock in '91 what became of him/had he heard from him; he hadnt heard from him in ages but that he was a tree surgeon... "DOREMI", of course being the most absolute BAWLZ...ubetcha ^-~ lb From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Mar 23 03:43:43 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 03:43:43 EST Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) Message-ID: In a message dated 3/20/99 1:37:07 PM, swann at PLUTONIA.COM writes: <<> IMO Live 79 sticks out at as a step sideways and backwards into mere metal > mediocrity. >> wasnt quite finished actually not sure i'd call "live 79" a step sideways in the sense that most recently they had been non-existent...they crashed in the states touring w/ the "quark" lp..."pxr5" is a leftovers lp more or less in tandem w/"quark"...the whole HAWKLORDS thang was short-lived...brock did that one hw gig in 9/79 w/turner as a guest...then the tour at the end of 79 from which "live 79" came. so actually there hadnt been a functional touring HAWKWIND for almost two years...such as they had become>> i must agree w/ the "backwards into metal mediocrity" part, though...i was very disappointed by langdon taking over lead guitar (again) , fractionally qualified by saying he was more inspired in 79-81 than later...but i basically avoided hw in the '80s because of him. when i started playing in bands myself in the mid-70s i learned about "repetition" , ha ha... i had no idea the hw songs, in technical terms, were so SIMPLE....kinda had a crisis for awhile..."do they KNOW they keep doing the same thing over and over?" they werent the only one-riff band from the time period they came from, but they took things the FARTHEST.... yer durn tootin they done did lb From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Tue Mar 23 04:05:19 1999 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 10:05:19 +0100 Subject: BOC: "Dick" Meltzer In-Reply-To: <36F6EBAD.13B209BC@dlcwest.com> Message-ID: Laj Waldner wrote: >Huh? Are you making this stuff up ;-). Or maybe his frustration was due >to the jealousy he felt because of his mothers love for his father, I'm >sure if Freud where here he would say something like that :-). OK, OK, I am making it up. Anyway, this is an electronic conference, not a tabloid. :-) But one thing is true: "FRONT OF THE BOOK: Burnin' for You - My Life With the B.O. Cult" is a sort of anti-BOC pamphlet, and the conclusion in some pamphlet always lies in the last paragraph. -- Goran From age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Mar 23 04:03:20 1999 From: age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Adrian Parr) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:03:20 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind mailing list, new from Hawkeye Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Steven Tice To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 22 March 1999 17:45 Subject: Re: Hawkwind mailing list, new from Hawkeye >In a message dated 3/22/99 7:19:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, >age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: > ><< I'm setting up a Hawkwind mailing list to compliment the trad. postal >version. >> > >Sorry to nitpick, but you mean "complement." That's a pet peeve of mine. :-) > Age writes: "Compliment" or "complement" - you know what i mean. "Nitpick" as much as you like It's like "colour" or "color" See ya Age From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Mar 23 05:23:54 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 10:23:54 +0000 Subject: BOC: Meltzerstiltskin In-Reply-To: <000401be7502$ff5caa80$673f63c3@default> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Mar 1999, Andy Gilham wrote: > Not to be confused with Levi's ad one-hit wonders Stiltskin, whose singer > went off and joined Genesis. Who had two or three good songs and sound a bit like Wall of Sleep with less inclination to try and be Sabbath. I have the first album, it's not great but I've never wanted to sell it either. Yours, Jon -- /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | =====================================================================| | "Probability level 1 to 1. We have normality, I repeat, we have | | normality. Anything you still can't deal with is therefore your own | \_________________________ problem." ______________________________/ \_____________/ From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Mar 23 05:27:58 1999 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 10:27:58 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind mailing list, new from Hawkeye In-Reply-To: <000201be7513$8824e3e0$2c18883e@default> Message-ID: At 09:03 23/03/99 -0000, Adrian Parr wrote: >Age writes: >"Compliment" or "complement" - you know what i mean. >"Nitpick" as much as you like Ok... >It's like "colour" or "color" Not really -- "colour" and "color" have the same meaning, and differ by culture. Seeing one where you expect the other only means that the writer is from the other side of the pond. "Compliment" and "complement" have different meanings. Seeing one where you expect the other is confusing. But don't worry about it... I'm not going to nitpick every little mistake anyone posts. Just because I'm posting doesn't mean that it matters. >See ya (Well you did ask ;-)) >Age Dave. Languages Group Manager. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Mar 23 05:28:58 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 10:28:58 +0000 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: <9c3d6d0f.36f74eb4@aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Mar 1999 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > alas, simon w/o lemmy was like an engine w/o oil...he sounds so dead on the > swindells' lp...i asked mr brock in '91 what became of him/had he heard from > him; he hadnt heard from him in ages but that he was a tree surgeon... Ah! I had wondered what had happened to Simon. I'd developed two private theories, one that since _all_ the Hawks shamelessly remove his writing credits, few as they are, from rework versions ('Iron Dream' to 'Dream Goes On' to 'Are You Losing Your Mind?', and Nik's version of 'Opa-Loka' on 'Sonic Attack 2001' or 'Past or Future'), that he might actually have asked to be left out and joined a commune or something, and the other that, given he was never the most solid-looking of people, he might simply have snapped :-) Good to know it's not so, and that he's out there saving those trees. Yours, Jon -- /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | =====================================================================| | "Probability level 1 to 1. We have normality, I repeat, we have | | normality. Anything you still can't deal with is therefore your own | \_________________________ problem." ______________________________/ \_____________/ From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Tue Mar 23 05:37:10 1999 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 10:37:10 +0000 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: <9c3d6d0f.36f74eb4@aol.com> Message-ID: swann at PLUTONIA.COM Writes: >alas, simon w/o lemmy was like an engine w/o oil...he sounds so dead on the >swindells' lp...i asked mr brock in '91 what became of him/had he heard from >him; he hadnt heard from him in ages but that he was a tree surgeon... > >lb Agreed ! I met up with Simon, at a party about a year ago, (very civilised affair!) and talked with him for ages! And yes, the live '79 tour really was the last gasp for him! He'd really had it by then, being in a touring band, and hasn't really played seriously since. I asked him if he would ever return to the Hawk's drum riser (if Mr. Brock were to ask him) and he reaction was NO NEVER - EVER AGAIN !! Not that he didn't enjoy working in HW, but the thought of touring again with ANY live act, is quite horrible, as well as getting "stage-fit" for two hours of skin-pounding. These days, he's dealing in antiques, still living in West London, and he's really into keeping fit - doing a lot of cycling! He was sayong how he once got "trapped" at the start of a semi-serious fun-cycle-race, from Richmond, with all the fast people, and sort of hung on for dear life, for a few miles at least!! Guy From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Mar 23 06:00:00 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:00:00 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind mailing list, new from Hawkeye Message-ID: On tis 23 mar 1999 10.27 +0000 "Dave Berry" wrote: > At 09:03 23/03/99 -0000, Adrian Parr wrote: >>"Compliment" or "complement" - you know what i mean. >>It's like "colour" or "color" > > Not really -- "colour" and "color" have the same meaning, and differ by > culture. Seeing one where you expect the other only means that the writer > is from the other side of the pond. "Compliment" and "complement" have > different meanings. Seeing one where you expect the other is confusing. True. Dave hat recht. The word "compliment" was originally spelled "complement"--both stem from the same root--but the different spellings have marked different meanings for some time now. (Though as a medievalist, I've no business supporting standardized spellings :) Cheers, Carl, standing in for Mr. Language Person -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Mar 23 06:28:32 1999 From: pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM (Juha Nurmenniemi) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 03:28:32 PST Subject: HW/OFF: Space news Message-ID: Hello Keith! Yes I?m still here. Pseudo Sun is currently mixing the "Atomic Dogs Don`t Bark" CD. When it will be released is not planned yet but hopefully before summer.I?ll send you a cassette of it as soon as it?s done. In the meantime there is a cassette out with Pseudo Sun called "Aliens Only" out on Music & Elsewhere. In Space We Trust Juba >From: Keith Henderson >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Subject: HW/OFF: Space news >Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 12:51:45 -0500 > >Hi there... > >I just thought I'd ask to see if anyone out there in boc-l land has any >newsy bits to offer in the world of space rock & psychedelia. We're now >doing news sections in our 'zine (Aural Innovations), and the next issue is >coming out soon. > >Things like tour dates, new album releases, member changes and the like. > >I've got tourdates for Bevis Frond, Helios Creed (anyone know who's in the >touring band?), Gong, Porcupine Tree, Bedouin...who else? > >I know both darXtar ('Tombola') and Pseudo Sun ('Atomic Dogs Don't Bark') >have new albums in the works....any more details about when and where these >might show up? (Is Juba still here?) > >You can send any submissions to henderson.120 at osu.edu if you don't want to >clutter the list with off-topic info. We all know that never happens, >right? :) > >Keith H. (FAA) > >P.S. Doug, did you catch the U. of Errors gig?? > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Mar 23 06:32:05 1999 From: age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Adrian Parr) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:32:05 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawkeye mailing list Problem Message-ID: Hi folks Had a problem with the Hawkeye mailform. If you filled it in before 11:15 on Tuesday 23 March, i won't have recieved the details. So, if you wanna be on future mail outs i'm afraid you'll have to re submit. Sorry about this folks. P.S. With regard to the Nik Turner Gig with 46000 Fibres. Additional info to the mail yesterday, is that it was on 8 November 1998 at Finsbury Park, Red Rose Club, London. As far as i know, Nik guested, as did Lol Coxhill on sax. Did anyone catch this gig, or the most recent one this month? age.p at conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk Hawkeye Home Page: http://www.conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk/index.html P.P.S Thanks to all the linguistical experts for feedback on "COMPLI /E/ MENT ". WOW, I LIKE THIS PRECISION !!!!!!!!! All the best Age -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Mar 23 07:27:48 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:27:48 +0000 Subject: HW: Ye Newe Hawkbrawl Message-ID: This is tough, since I've never heard some of the versions, and it's been a long time since I've heard some of the others. Some of the choices are fairly arbitrary, but: > Angels Of Death > L 2 This is Hawkwind - Do Not Panic > Brainstorm > L 5 Space Ritual II > Death Trap > 5 Area S4 EP (So sue me! :) > Dream Worker > L 3 Live At Reading '86 (I remember it being surprisingly heavy :) > Ejection > 1 Doremi Fasol Latido [remastered CD only] (Been so long since I heard most of the others!) > The Golden Void > L 6 Palace Springs {Void of Golden Light} (So sue me yet again! :) > Hassan I Sabha > 1 Quark Strangeness And Charm (Too bad Lemmy was gone by this time. It would have been interesting to hear this in SR or HotMG mode!) > High Rise > L 1 a Acid Daze Vol. I (Again, kind of a guess!) > The Iron Dream > 4 Area S4 EP {Are You Losing Your Mind?} (Continue suing me! :) > Love in Space > L 2 Love In Space > Magnu > 1 Warrior On The Edge Of Time > Master Of The Universe > L 6 Space Ritual Alive > Motorway City > 2 Levitation > Needle Gun > L 3 Live Chronicles > Paranoia > 1 Hawkwind > Psychedelic Warlords > 2 Hall Of The Mountain Grill > Right to Decide > 1 Electric Teepee > Seven by Seven > L 3 Space Ritual Alive > Shot Down in the Night > L 1 Live '79 > Silver Machine > 3 Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1972] > Sonic Attack > L 1 Space Ritual Alive > Spirit Of The Age > 2 Quark Strangeness And Charm > Time We Left > 1 Doremi Fasol Latido {Time We Left This World Today} (Very tough! I eventually picked the bass solo in this over the SR2 version ...) > Uncle Sam's On Mars > L 3 PXR5 > Wastelands Of Sleep > 1 The Xenon Codex > Welcome To The Future > L 3 Space Ritual Alive (Er, how much does it matter on this one! :) > You Know You're Only Dreaming > 1 X In Search Of Space > You Shouldn't Do That > L 4 Acid Daze Vol. III (Though I generally listen to the very slightly different recording on the SR remaster) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Tue Mar 23 08:18:23 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:18:23 -0500 Subject: BOC: R.U. Ready 2 Rock? Message-ID: Yes, the FAQ mentions that "R.U. Ready 2 Rock" was envisioned by Albert to be part of the third Imaginos album (working title "The Mutant Reformation"), along with such songs as "ETI", "Take Me Away", "Flaming Telepaths", "The Vigil" (note: not all the songs have Pearlman lyrics, but were songs that Albert felt fit the feel of the storyline). Also recall that the "RUR" comes from the first known story about robots - the K. Capek play, "Rossum's Universal Robots". I sort of envision the ending of the Imaginos cycle, and RU Ready 2 Rock in particular, as some sort of massive human/alien contact - perhaps Les Invisibles fully revealed to the people of the Earth, with numerous robots as servants - come to either take over the world by force themselve, or to round up the chosen humans to take them away... For those who have seen the latest trailer to the new Star Wars movie, "The Phantom Menace" (I'll bet it's quite a few of you) -- you know the scene of the marching droids while Darth Maul is saying "At last we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi - at last we will have revenge.") This scene fits in with how I envision "R U Ready 2 Rock" fitting in with the Imaginos story. Think it's too late to get George Lucas to put some BOC in the soundtrack? ;-) John From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Tue Mar 23 08:41:52 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:41:52 -0500 Subject: OFF: Beatles Message-ID: O.K., since I've been in somewhat rare form this week, I'm going to use this opportunity to say - DON'T BE PICKING ON THE BEATLES! No, I can't say I'm a huge fan, and yes, their overall musicianship could be questioned, and some of their songwriting is less than stellar (some of it obviously written under the influence of drugs -- then again, some of their best work was probably also written under the influence), but I would say that: 1. For their time, the Beatles were revolutionary in many ways 2. Their influence on the music that came after them is probably as great as anyone's in the last 30 years. Now, I was too young to have listened to the Beatles in the 60s. In fact, it was only about 3 years ago that I took much notice of them. I was mostly intrigued to learn more about Paul McCartney's bassplaying. Through some study of their music, and in reading a book or two about the band, I came to realize the affect they had on their time, and on those that would come after them. As an interesting aside - I saw some old video footage of KISS. They were big fans of the Beatles - especially Gene Simmons. And, it shows in their old performances - Gene used to bounce up and down while singing just like John Lennon used to do, and some of his "hair-shaking" (before he made flicking his tongue his trademark) is very reminiscent of the Beatles. It's actually quite amusing in retrospect. While you might listen to an album like "Revolver" or (especially) "Sgt. Pepper" in the 90s and think, "oh, that's not so great" - remember that this stuff was revolutionary at the time. Hey, looking back on it, some might say that "Tyranny and Mutation", when listened to today doesn't sound that special -- yet many of us BOC fans not only think it's great, but that it was the true genesis of speed metal. But, try convincing some 18-year-old kid that grew up on Nirvanna and Metallica that... By the way, I believe that Les Braunstein in particular, but probably most of the Soft White Underbelly was heavily influenced by the Beatles' "Sgt. Pepper". I keep saying this, but perhaps Al Bouchard can enlighten us further... Hey Al - I know you're making a new album and all, but feel free to jump in! ;-) John From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Mar 23 09:03:41 1999 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 22:03:41 +0800 Subject: OFF: 10 MOST LOVED In-Reply-To: <36f5eedf.3343010@smtp.softhome.net> Message-ID: > >Deep Purple Mks I, III and IV > >David Coverdale/Whitesnake 1977-1981 > >Ritchie Blackmores Rainbow/Rainbow/Ritchie Blackmores Rainbow/Blackmores > >Night > >Todd Rundgren/Utopia I agree with all of the above. I'm not so sure about the other list below though, but then again, it is good for us all to have different tastes. Life would be REALLY boring if everyone liked and dislike the same things! William > >The Temptations > >Billy Cobham/Tommy Bolin/Jan Hammer Group > >AC/DC > >Bobby Bland > >Parliament/Funkadelic/Bootsys Rubber Band/George Clinton etc > >Motorhead > > With the exception of Rainbow/Whitesnake, excellent choice. > > I remember a Blackmore interview, where he said he couldn't stand > Glenn Hughes, because Glenn was so funk-oriented, and our Richie just > hates that funk. Because he is blues and classic-oriented (my comment: > he loves blues and classic, but doesn't understand them too much ). > > Therefore, your combination of the funk kings with Richie's dreams & > nightmares is a bit strange to me....... but, it's OK, anyway. > -- > Goran > From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Mar 23 09:21:17 1999 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:21:17 EST Subject: Hawkwind Solar Eclipse Gig Message-ID: Has anyone heard of Hawkwind doing a Solar Eclipse gig, in Devon, on or about Aug. 11th? regards, Bill Stewart From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Mar 23 09:22:17 1999 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:22:17 EST Subject: OFF: Helios Creed Message-ID: Who is in the Helios Creed touring band? regards, Bill From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 23 10:11:07 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:11:07 GMT Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: DASLUD@AOL.COM's message of Tue, 23 Mar 1999 03:43:43 EST Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: > when i started playing in bands myself in the mid-70s i learned about > "repetition" , ha ha... i had no idea the hw songs, in technical terms, were > so SIMPLE....kinda had a crisis for awhile..."do they KNOW they keep doing the > same thing over and over?" In the Early Daze Brock in fact stated that he wanted to experiment with the music of repetition claiming inspiration from Cosmic Jokers which certainly was repetitious. In fact on their albums you can hear a very primitive version of the sound Hawkwind were making from 70-73 before the gear shift of HotMG. There are parts you'd almost swear were from some kind of 1968 Hawkwind. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 23 10:20:27 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:20:27 GMT Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: Jonathan Jarrett's message of Tue, 23 Mar 1999 10:28:58 +0000 Message-ID: Jonathan Jarrett writes: > Ah! I had wondered what had happened to Simon. I'd developed two > private theories, one that since _all_ the Hawks shamelessly remove his > writing credits, few as they are, from rework versions ('Iron Dream' to > 'Dream Goes On' to 'Are You Losing Your Mind?', and Nik's version of > 'Opa-Loka' on 'Sonic Attack 2001' or 'Past or Future'), that he might > actually have asked to be left out and joined a commune or something, and > the other that, given he was never the most solid-looking of people, he > might simply have snapped :-) In fact Hawkwind did many tributes to Simon King including the seminal tracks: Black Elm Speaks Burn Me Up Garden Pests Goat Willow Into the Elms Mark of Cane FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 23 10:24:11 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:24:11 GMT Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: LN1GJT's message of Tue, 23 Mar 1999 10:37:10 +0000 Message-ID: LN1GJT writes: > Agreed ! I met up with Simon, at a party about a year ago, (very civilised > affair!) and talked with him for ages! And yes, the live '79 tour really was > the last gasp for him! He'd really had it by then, being in a touring band, > and hasn't really played seriously since. I asked him if he would ever return > to the Hawk's drum riser (if Mr. Brock were to ask him) and he reaction was NO > NEVER - EVER AGAIN !! Not that he didn't enjoy working in HW, but the thought > of touring again with ANY live act, is quite horrible, as well as getting > "stage-fit" for two hours of skin-pounding. He seemed like a nice guy. At my first Hawkwind gig I had a tape recorder confiscated on entry and had to go backstage to ask for it back afterwards. Simon saw me standing there waiting for the staff to figure out where it had been stashed and came over and asked if I'd enjoyed the gig. > Guy FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 23 10:29:04 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:29:04 GMT Subject: Hawkwind Solar Eclipse Gig In-Reply-To: Bill Stewart's message of Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:21:17 EST Message-ID: Bill Stewart writes: > Has anyone heard of Hawkwind doing a Solar Eclipse gig, in Devon, on or about > Aug. 11th? There won't be room anywhere in Devon. Maybe Brock's going to do it on his own farm? Anyway, apparently if the numbert of people planning to go there for August 11th really do try, then given the road and rail capacity, they'll need to start 24 days beforehand and run the transport network at full stretch until the day itself. My astronomical friends have already concluded that it's wiser to take a boat down the coast. Personally I'm hoping to head for Bucharest which is bang on the track, though with my luck the entire Balkans will be a war zone by the time I get there. > Bill Stewart FoFP P.S. There are rumours that Hawkwind will play Buxton festival in July if the two sides can agree on a fee. From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Tue Mar 23 11:03:40 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:03:40 -0800 Subject: Beatles Message-ID: Hmm.. I'm with you on the Beatles but.. You have a problem with musicians that use(d) drugs? Do you think BOC was clean & sober back in the day? Or is it just that you feel that the songs, having been influenced by drugs are the poorer for it? Just wondering, not advocating or condemning drug use. I remember the 2nd or 3rd time I saw BOC (1975 or so) someone threw a handful of joints on stage. Joe and Allen picked one up each and smoked it right there on stage.. I can't recall if the others had any or not. To our smoke addled 16 year old brains, this seemed extremely cool. My point is, drugs have a major impact on many many bands and thus on their material as well. You know this I'm sure. The Beatles were on speed and pot as far back as the Help days at least. I read that they were all stoned out of their minds during the filming of Help. Revolver was (according to Lennon) the first album influenced by LSD. Which reminds me of one of the most intense experiences of my life, seeing BOC live while on a tab of good LSD. Peaking on acid as they played "Telepaths" and "Astronomy" was an almost religious experience. This was in an old hall in San Diego which had sort of a gothic motif which always reminded me of the inner sleeve of OYFOOYK. More than 20 years ago and it still gives me the heebie-jeebies... JB "I've lived upon the edge of chance for 20 years or more..." > O.K., since I've been in somewhat rare form this week, I'm > going to use > this opportunity to say - DON'T BE PICKING ON THE BEATLES! > > No, I can't say I'm a huge fan, and yes, their overall musicianship > could be questioned, and some of their songwriting is less > than stellar > (some of it obviously written under the influence of drugs -- then > again, some of their best work was probably also written under the > influence), but I would say that: > > 1. For their time, the Beatles were revolutionary in many ways > > 2. Their influence on the music that came after them is probably as > great as anyone's in the last 30 years. > > > Now, I was too young to have listened to the Beatles in the 60s. In > fact, it was only about 3 years ago that I took much notice > of them. I > was mostly intrigued to learn more about Paul McCartney's bassplaying. > Through some study of their music, and in reading a book or two about > the band, I came to realize the affect they had on their time, and on > those that would come after them. > > As an interesting aside - I saw some old video footage of KISS. They > were big fans of the Beatles - especially Gene Simmons. And, it shows > in their old performances - Gene used to bounce up and down while > singing just like John Lennon used to do, and some of his > "hair-shaking" > (before he made flicking his tongue his trademark) is very reminiscent > of the Beatles. It's actually quite amusing in retrospect. > > While you might listen to an album like "Revolver" or > (especially) "Sgt. > Pepper" in the 90s and think, "oh, that's not so great" - > remember that > this stuff was revolutionary at the time. Hey, looking back > on it, some > might say that "Tyranny and Mutation", when listened to today doesn't > sound that special -- yet many of us BOC fans not only think > it's great, > but that it was the true genesis of speed metal. But, try convincing > some 18-year-old kid that grew up on Nirvanna and Metallica that... > > By the way, I believe that Les Braunstein in particular, but probably > most of the Soft White Underbelly was heavily influenced by > the Beatles' > "Sgt. Pepper". I keep saying this, but perhaps Al Bouchard can > enlighten us further... > > Hey Al - I know you're making a new album and all, but feel > free to jump > in! ;-) > > > John > From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Mar 23 11:05:30 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:05:30 EST Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) Message-ID: In a message dated 3/20/99 6:59:41 PM, mordru at FLITE.NET writes: <> the first version of "spirit of the age" had entirely different lyrics than what appeared on "quark" etc. <<--that whole "android replica" passage had been around in recitations since '71 lb From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Tue Mar 23 11:11:59 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:11:59 -0800 Subject: 10 most Loved Bands Message-ID: What can you tell me about Kings X? Who would you compare them to that I might know (consider my geezerhood)? Sav would go on my honorable mention list along with Rush and Queensryche. Y & T.. are they still around? I used to love them years ago.. my band used to cover several of their songs. Didn't they have a death in the band? I lost interest in them when they seemed to make the transition into "just another hair band". Steve Morse damn near made it onto my list.. or, the Dregs did. I still think Morse is one of the best guitarists around. His talents are wasted in Deep Purple.. its like Rod Morgenstein playing in Winger... well, maybe not that pathetic but... I understand their need to make a living but it saddens me. JB > No particular order after the first three - > > 1. King's X - Nobody but nobody plays better > 2. Savatage - The New rock and roll > 3. BOC - Just because > 4. Galactic Cowboys > 5. Gary Hoey > 6. Rush - 'cause they're good > 7. Threshold > 8. Y&T - They cut their hair, get off my back! > 9. Queensryche - They can do no wrong with me > 10. Helloween - Mostly becuase of Andi Deris > > Honorobale mentions - Shadow Gallery, Dream Theater, Steve > Morse Band, Stone > Temple Pilots, Prince (or whatever he calls himself these days.) From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Mar 23 11:11:12 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:11:12 EST Subject: HW: MICK WALL AUTOBIOGRAPHY Message-ID: In a message dated 3/21/99 7:36:16 AM, stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK writes: <<"...the drummer from Hawkwind with his long black fingernail for dipping into his bag of speed; >> that would have been mr king, most likely....this would lead to his demise... lb From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Mar 23 11:20:47 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:20:47 EST Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip Message-ID: In a message dated 3/22/99 6:36:33 AM, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: <> they did a pretty good 'pxr5' on that tour, but personally i consider brock's re-arrangement of "urban guerilla" to be an all time low point for hw...dont spoze that was really a song to take "seriously" but the re-arrangement is like vaudeville or something....ewwww.... lb From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Mar 23 11:33:34 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:33:34 EST Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) Message-ID: In a message dated 3/22/99 10:28:39 AM, mordru at FLITE.NET writes: <<>But it's so slow and ponderous...>> y'know...for the end of '72 the DOREMI "brainstorm" was sorta uptempo...folks had pretty much slowed right down in general...zep's "rock and roll", bowie's 2nd version of "hang onto yourself" (a/k/a the blueprint for most of the first 3 ramones lp's) but...hmmm...cant think of much else "fast" right this sec and the zep song was over a year old by then lb From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Mar 23 11:36:33 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:36:33 EST Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) Message-ID: In a message dated 3/22/99 10:30:00 AM, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: << Hawklords on their US tour,>> um, you may be referring to the hawkwind "quark" us tour but hawklords didnt come to the states... catching up on a small mountain of non-assaultive email...maybe someone's addressed all of this already lb From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Mar 23 11:39:06 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:39:06 EST Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) Message-ID: In a message dated 3/22/99 10:35:06 AM, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: <<> See, I like the Doremi version of Brainstorm the best You really should hear the Live '72 version of this from the Brian Matthews LP. >> vas is dis den?? lb From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Tue Mar 23 11:49:47 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:49:47 -0500 Subject: BOC: Cultosaurus "Re-Master" Message-ID: I just got my copy of the European CE re-release of "Cultosaurus Erectus". While it is a superior product to the original CD release of CE, I wouldn't necessarily recommend people hunting it down. I mean, if you are a collector, or if you really want the (slightly) expanded liner notes, or if you just have to have the full down-beat on "Deadline", then go for it. But, if you are expecting a tranformation similar to Mobile Fidelity's re-mastering of "Agents of Fortune", you won't find it. I'm not trying to knock the release - I don't think Sony (on their "Rewind" label) was trying to do what Mobile Fidelity did. Further, the original CD release of CE, despite the glitch with "Deadline", is sonically very good. So, the sonic differences between the two CDs is not that noticeable. There seems to be a bit more bass on the new version, but I keep wondering if it's just because I want to hear a difference. Actually, the word "Remaster" appears no-whear on the CD (despite the fact that that's what the dealers list it as). The only indication is a small label on the back in the corner with the words: "SBM - Super Bit Mapping". Still, it is a nice product. The cover artwork is a bit darker, with a less yellow-ish tint -- it makes those snow-covered mountains look even colder. As mentioned before, the BOC symbol does not appear on the spaceship (as it didn't on the original UK release of CE), but you really can't make it out on the original CD either. There are 2 photos in the liner notes that I assume were in the original LP (I never had the LP - kinda wish I still had the 8-track!) and a nice reproduction of the Cultosaurus on CD tray (everyone's making the trays clear these days...). I'm not dissappointed with the release, but I realize that some people will not feel the need to replace their original CE CD. As a European release, it's not like it's being marketed for folks in the U.S. anyways - just one of those things the die-hard collectors have to have... John -- John A. Swartz - The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA - jswartz at mitre.org "Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to Anger. Anger leads to Hate. Hate leads to SUFFERING." -- Yoda (Star Wars: Episode 1 - The Phantom Menace) From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Mar 23 06:55:10 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:55:10 +0000 Subject: 10 most Loved Bands Message-ID: > Steve Morse damn near made it onto my list.. or, the Dregs did. I still > think Morse is one of the best guitarists around. His talents are wasted in > Deep Purple.. Aww...that's sad to hear. I think he's made Deep Purple really awesome again. I love what their union has produced. With that, here's my TOP ten, in no particular order: Deep Purple (All lineups, but mainly the Ian Gillan stuff) BOC Motorhead Uriah Heep The New Orleans Radiators (you gotta hear these guys!) Jethro Tull The Why Store Black Sabbath (Up to and including the Gillan album) Skynyrd Barenaked Ladies Honorable mention: DEVO! -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Mar 23 06:55:10 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:55:10 +0000 Subject: OFF: Beatles Message-ID: I hate to take such a lemming-like stance, but you really can't argue with success. Whether you like the Beatles or not, they touched more people than perhaps any other rock band around, and continued to do so after the band broke up (with the possible exception of George and Ringo). But that's what art (if rock is indeed art) is all about...connecting with someone through emotion rather than precision. Heck, if you have to be mechanically perfect to qualify as talented, then Picasso fuckin' blew! I'm about the furthest thing from a Beatles fan. I own absolutely nothing and I never did. Heck, I didn't even wretch when the Bee Gees and Frampton did Sgt. Pepper. But I think their accomplishments do at least count for something... -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Mar 23 06:55:10 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:55:10 +0000 Subject: 10 most Loved Bands Message-ID: Dammit...I knew I'd forget somebody! Scratch Barenaked Ladies and put ALICE COOPER way near the top of my list. -- Nick From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Tue Mar 23 11:57:26 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 16:57:26 +0000 Subject: OFF: 10 MOST HATED Message-ID: Paul Mather wrote "If I didn't know better, it's almost as if you're saying "I don't like the Beatles because everyone else does." ;-) I have to admit that I was neutrally---even negatively---disposed towards the Beatles, mainly because of the "hype" I felt surrounded them. That was until I bothered actually to listen to them seriously (as opposed to hearing a handful of the "hits," which was my previous exposure). One spin of _Revolver_ was enough to tell me I'd *seriously* underestimated these guys! And then _Abbey Road_ went into heavy rotation. (_Revolver_ is still my favourite, and, IMHO, their magnum opus.) You may dislike the Beatles for their critical and popular acclaim, but I find it hard to countenance the "sloppy songwriting" allegation. Songs don't get lodged as deep in the collective international psyche as deeply, and endure as long as a lot of Beatles songs by being "sloppy." Some of these songs are iconic, now. Obviously they must be doing *something* right. :-) IMHO, the Beatles truly are one of the great bands (more so if you appraise their achievements in context). Cheers, Paul." Ah, now, just become something is lodged in the collective international psyche doesn't mean it has merit. After all, how many people still remember the words to "Agadoo", "Y Viva Espana" or "The Birdie Song". Musical appreciation is such a subjective matter that it is impossible to achieve consensus. And for my sins, I have sat through the entire Beatles catalogue on many an occasion. The perils of a Beatle loving girlfriend. I can only thank the lord/deity of your choice that we broke up long before the Beatles/Lennon anthologies:-) The Beatles were musical magpies who took the best elements of true innovators and converted them into an easily palatable commercial whole. Which is in itself a talent of sorts. But in the sixties, I would pick The Byrds over everyone else. We shall have to beg to differ. SAH NP The Cultivators - Mamas Kitchen -- Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK e-zine and freezine http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Tue Mar 23 12:03:23 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 09:03:23 -0800 Subject: 10 most Loved Bands Message-ID: No, I agree that he has helped DP alot. I just feel that in that sort of music, he is limited and constrained in ways that he never was on his own or with the Dregs. I enjoy the DP-Morse stuff quite a lot actually. Ack, I keep seeing things that *should* have been on my most loved list, like Alice Cooper and Uriah Heep... and, believe it or not, Saxon. I really liked their earlier stuff, even if they were the real life model for Spinal Tap. JB > > Steve Morse damn near made it onto my list.. or, the Dregs > did. I still > > think Morse is one of the best guitarists around. His > talents are wasted in > > Deep Purple.. > > Aww...that's sad to hear. I think he's made Deep Purple really > awesome again. I love what their union has produced. With that, > here's my TOP ten, in no particular order: > > Deep Purple (All lineups, but mainly the Ian Gillan stuff) > BOC > Motorhead > Uriah Heep > The New Orleans Radiators (you gotta hear these guys!) > Jethro Tull > The Why Store > Black Sabbath (Up to and including the Gillan album) > Skynyrd > Barenaked Ladies > > Honorable mention: DEVO! > > -- Nick > From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Mar 23 12:03:48 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:03:48 EST Subject: OFF:Hated Bands; A confession Message-ID: In a message dated 3/22/99 9:27:08 PM, crow at ASCENT.NET writes: <> "be very, very careful about being critical", he admonished himself before beginning... jim carroll...all time poseur bs artist thinking his book(s) automatically made him a "rock person"...toss in some offhand dead people and blow jobs and there you are. >>>guess part of my ire comes from hearing his 'yeah i'm all cleaned up now' routine when in fact he wasnt remotely "clean"...but he'd tell people that and then retire to his NOD... lb From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Mar 23 12:08:20 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:08:20 EST Subject: Hawkwind mailing list, new from Hawkeye Message-ID: In a message dated 3/23/99 5:28:52 AM, daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK writes: << Not really -- "colour" and "color" have the same meaning, and differ by culture. Seeing one where you expect the other only means that the writer is from the other side of the pond. "Compliment" and "complement" have different meanings. Seeing one where you expect the other is confusing. >> glad you said it; i wasnt gonna.>>>>i used "complement" a few days ago re: dave grohl and i wondered if i was gonna have to xplain i didnt mean "compliment"... lb From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 23 12:13:50 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 17:13:50 GMT Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: DASLUD@AOL.COM's message of Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:39:06 EST Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: > In a message dated 3/22/99 10:35:06 AM, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: > > <<> See, I like the Doremi version of Brainstorm the best > > You really should hear the Live '72 version of this from the Brian > Matthews LP. > vas is dis den?? It's one of the BBC Transcription discs. These were the means by which the BBC managed to simultaeneously broadcast shows nationwide. Basically "live" recordings would be put onto disc from which 24 LP's would be printed - one for each local broadcasting station. They'd be played on air and then smashed with a hammer to preserve asrtist copyright. Some naughty DJ's, concluding that some of these bands might be rather more famous than currently, salted them away as a retirement fund. These eventually then ended up with traders and ultimately, fans. Two "Hawkwind" transcription discs are known of. One is the disc recorded as the bootleg CD "Space Rock From London" which is the same gig, though not the same mix, as the Windsong BBC CD. Why there's a difference is something of a mystery. At one point I knew the whereabouts of five copies of this. The other is a transcription disc of an episode of the Brian Matthews "Top of the Pops" radio show, not to be confused with the BBC television show of the same name. This would consist of "live" recordings and interviews of bands as well as plays of their current hits. One disc contains two tracks by Hawkwind: "Silver Machine" and "Brainstorm". Reckoning from the other items on the disc: a somng by Mary Kelly, the Beegees and an interview with Paul McCartney shortly after Wings first foreign tour, I'd guess that the recording is probably from 2nd August 1972 at London Maida Vail, which the BBC are known to have recorded. This does give rise to speculation as to whether this was the lineup recorded for Hawkwind's appearance on the television show of the same name. The band had refused to mime to Silver Machine, as was customary with hits on the television show, and instead told the BBC to record them live. Film of the band live appeared, but with the sound from the single being played. Brainstorm from the LP is a fairly upbeat version. Silver Machine is interesting because at this point they had Lemmy singing the lyrics. For the single Lemmy's vocals were overlayed on Calvert's. version recorded at the Roundhouse in 1972. I know of only one copy of this LP in rthe hands of fans. > lb FoFP From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Mar 23 12:13:52 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:13:52 EST Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) Message-ID: In a message dated 3/23/99 5:43:05 AM, Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM writes: <> >>glad he wasnt merely another drug casualty after all<<< lb From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Tue Mar 23 12:17:00 1999 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 17:17:00 GMT Subject: Hawkwind mailing list Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1999-03-23 17:17 Is that a complimentary complementary mail? Mark (damn, confused myself now!) glad you said it; i wasnt gonna.>>>>i used "complement" a few days ago re: dave grohl and i wondered if i was gonna have to xplain i didnt mean "compliment"... lb From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Mar 23 12:24:12 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:24:12 EST Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) Message-ID: In a message dated 3/23/99 10:11:53 AM, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: << Cosmic Jokers>> vas is dem, den? lb From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Mar 23 12:37:21 1999 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 17:37:21 +0000 Subject: OFF: Spinal Tap In-Reply-To: <6D986111E966D211A65E00A0C96E961108FAFB@C2> Message-ID: At 09:03 23/03/99 -0800, Joseph Brooks wrote: >and, believe it or not, Saxon. I really liked >their earlier stuff, even if they were the real life model for Spinal Tap. I should start a list of bands that I see described as the real life model for Spinal Tap. That's the first time I've seen Saxon mentioned though. I've even seen HW suggested, in some guide to rock music, though I don't see the connection much at all. There are some obvious models - Queen, for "Big Bottom", and Black Sabbath, for the erroneously-sized Stonehenge with the dwarves, Jethro Tull, for the music that went with the Stonehenge, Uriah Heep (amongst others) for the endless turnover of drummers... Dave. Languages Group Manager. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Mar 23 12:44:51 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:44:51 EST Subject: Hawkwind mailing list Message-ID: In a message dated 3/23/99 12:22:51 PM, edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK writes: <> (grin) lb From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Mar 23 12:37:37 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:37:37 -0500 Subject: was HW: Live 79, now Cosmic Jokers Message-ID: Larry asked... ><< Cosmic Jokers>> > >vas is dem, den? The 'supergroup' of Ash Ra Tempel & Wallenstein members (and vocalist Gilles Lettmann aka the 'Sternenm?dchen' or Starmaiden) put together by Rolf-Ulrich Kaiser (Kaiser of Ohr) in his acid-induced vision (they hung out with Leary after all) of creating 'the Cosmic Couriers.' Apparently, the releases were made unbeknownst to Manuel G?ttsching (guitarist of AshRa) and pissed him off to no end. This was also about the time when AshRa's bassist Hartmut Enke quit playing in the middle of a performance, and stood and watched the others finish the set. I guess he came to the conclusion that they had reached some sort of perfect moment, and from that point on lost the desire to perform again. Needless to say, he ceased to be an AshRa member quite abruptly. Keith H. (FAA) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 23 12:47:33 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 17:47:33 GMT Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: DASLUD@AOL.COM's message of Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:24:12 EST Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: > In a message dated 3/23/99 10:11:53 AM, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: > > << Cosmic Jokers>> > > vas is dem, den? Zese vere a group of ze great und ze good of der Deutsche electrik musicians. Zere vere reportedly playing in ze living room of ze painter Salvador Dali unde ze influence of chemicals invented by ze Swiss chemist Albert Hoffman. Two albums including ze Galactic Supermarket vere produced under zese strange conditions. > lb Mike "And I didn't mention the war once" Holmes From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Tue Mar 23 12:55:26 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:55:26 -0500 Subject: OFF: Spinal Tap In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990323173721.01209ec0@mailhost.ed.harlequin.co.uk> from "Dave Berry" at Mar 23, 99 05:37:21 pm Message-ID: Dave Berry writes: > > I should start a list of bands that I see described as the real life model > for Spinal Tap. That's the first time I've seen Saxon mentioned though. > I've even seen HW suggested, in some guide to rock music, though I don't > see the connection much at all. Hawkwind, Iron Maiden and Jethro Tull were the first bands I thought of. > There are some obvious models - Queen, for "Big Bottom", and Black Sabbath, > for the erroneously-sized Stonehenge with the dwarves, Jethro Tull, for the The funny thing is, the Black Sabbath tour with the Stonehenge stage set happened *after* the film, which prompted reactions ranging from "deliciously ironic" to "how stupid can they be?". Steve swann at plutonia.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Mar 23 12:52:05 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:52:05 EST Subject: OFF: Spinal Tap Message-ID: In a message dated 3/23/99 12:40:27 PM, daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK writes: <> i've heard uriah heep referred to more than any one other band... yeah yeah it's just me but i thought SPINAL TAP was so close to the truth as to not be that funny....i mean, i enjoyed it, but... lb From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Tue Mar 23 12:58:28 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:58:28 -0500 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: <199903231747.RAA13249@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> from "M Holmes" at Mar 23, 99 05:47:33 pm Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > > Mike "And I didn't mention the war once" Holmes > Oh, Basil. Steve swann at plutonia.com From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Tue Mar 23 13:16:49 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:16:49 -0500 Subject: OFF: Spinal Tap In-Reply-To: from "DASLUD@AOL.COM" at Mar 23, 99 12:52:05 pm Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: > > i've heard uriah heep referred to more than any one other band... > yeah yeah it's just me but i thought SPINAL TAP was so close to the truth as > to not be that funny....i mean, i enjoyed it, but... > lb Remember _Break Like the Wind_? The lyrics to that were much more clever and well-thought-out than almost any "real" metal album that came out that year. Steve swann at plutonia.com P.S. Oh, and to the list, add ManOWar! From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Mar 23 13:19:16 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:19:16 -0600 Subject: OFF: King's X and Others, the silence is broken. Message-ID: >What can you tell me about Kings X? Who would you compare them to that I might know (consider my geezerhood)? Gee thanks long lost bro. I planned to be quiet for the rest of the week and then you had to push THIS button. OK, take it for what its worth 'cause its comming from my keyboard but... King's X is a three peice comprised of Jerry Gaskill (drums/vox) Ty Tabor (guitar/vox) Doug Pinnick (bass/vox) Current sound is a smooth combination of power rock/melodic rock/pure unadulterated funkiness. No this isn't Korn or one of those blanga blanga half rap half rock groups. King's X are three marvelous musicians with impeccable skills and timing. Best thing about them are the vocals. Lucsious three-part harmonies. Now Doug is a left handed bass player, skinny as a blade of grass but a voice so powerful he could fill Madison Square garden without a PA system. Doug grew up singing in church choirs. Ty does a fair share of lead vox on most of the albums but tends to shy away from leads in live performances. Ty is a marvelous guitarist with a voice and playing style very similar to Buck. Not built for the power chords but man can he carry a ballad. Shave the goatee and shrink him about a foot and you would think he was Buck. Jerry provides background vocals mostly but has been known to do lead vox too he has a very unusual drumming style, totally non-conventional but it works. People tend to compare them to two bands more than any other. Rush, for the timing and progressiveness of the chords and Queen for vocal style. I like those comparisons even though I'm a bit shallow and don't necesarrily follow them. I will say this (in all caps cuase I'm shouting from the rooftops) KING'S X CAN PLAY ANY BAND EVER MENTIONED ON THIS LIST RIGHT UNDER A TABLE THEY ARE THAT DAMN GOOD! You must see this band live to belive just how good they really are. >Sav would go on my honorable mention list along with Rush and Queensryche. OK thats good company but Sav is a solid number two behind King's X. They have some great studio stuff but lordy hear this band live and you will be astonished. Two concept albums Dead Winter Dead and Wake of Magellan have a lot of vocal choruses. Intitially they didn't do these choruses live, now they do and they are mind blowing. They are not as good vocally as King's X (no shame becuase nobody is that damn good) but they are mighty fine with it. >Y & T.. are they still around? I used to love them years ago.. my band used to cover several of their songs. Didn't they have a death in the band? I lost interest in them when they seemed to make the transition into "just another hair band". Oh ya they are still around and putting out albums on a far more frequent basis than BOC hehehehehe. They have the same lineup from the days of Contagious. Before then they lost Joey Alves (rythym guitar) and Leonard haze (drums). Both are still alive I thought so I'm not sure what you mean by a death in the band. Last two albums are really good, Musically Incorrect (95 or so) and Endangered Speicies (97-98). ES is a bit more Y&T sounding while MI is nothing like any Y&T you may be familiar with. Dave M and Phil K are still together and still making music. >Steve Morse damn near made it onto my list.. or, the Dregs did. I still think Morse is one of the best guitarists around. His talents are wasted in Deep Purple.. I kinda like some of his work with DP. Steve is incredible. >its like Rod Morgenstein playing in Winger... well, maybe not that pathetic but... I understand their need to make a living but it saddens me. Have I got a treat for you, Platypus. This is a side project with Ty Tabor, King's X, Morgenstein, John Myung (bass palyer Dream Theater) and Dekek Sherinian (keys, Dream Theater). Always wondered what would happen if you added three parts King's X and five parts DT and mixed well. The Platypus album, When Pus Comes to Shove, has everything, hard rock, melodic ballads, jazz fusion, and just plain old jammin'. Its a great album if you like a little diveristy with every track. Ghost in the Ruins who apologizes for not staying silent until week end but damn he asked about King's X NP: Y&T - Down For The Count. From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Tue Mar 23 13:48:50 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:48:50 -0500 Subject: Beatles Message-ID: O.K., looks like it's confession time... > Hmm.. I'm with you on the Beatles but.. You have a problem with > musicians > that use(d) drugs? Do you think BOC was clean & sober back in the day? > Or is > it just that you feel that the songs, having been influenced by drugs > are > the poorer for it? Just wondering, not advocating or condemning drug > use. I didn't say I had a problem with musicians that use(d) drugs - I was merely making the observation that the Beatles did (which when I first heard that was quite a revelation). You could certainly say that I USED to have a problem with drug use period - I was a straight-laced, Catholic-raised, geeky kid. Never did drugs. Probably had an attitude toward people who did. Still haven't done any drugs (any illicit ones - yes, I've drank plenty of alchohol which is by many definitions a drug). Not because of an attitide, just because I think at this point in my life it's passed me by...you know, if I didn't do 'em in college I probably never would...probably even regret that a little - something tells me I'd have really enjoyed pot... Actually, two things probably really made me understand that people who do or have done various drugs aren't necessarily evil (or, if they are, it probably ain't because of the drugs). First, I had to come to the realization that the guys in my all-time favorite band, Blue Oyster Cult, have done various drugs. To an idealistic, naive, straight-laced 18-year-old, that was quite an eye-opener. I could either be judgemental of that, or say "Hey, different strokes for different folks..." The second thing was probably upon my research of the Beatles themselves, and the realization that these guys did major amounts of drugs - that "Sgt. Pepper" was probably done more under the effects of LSD than not - or at least largely influenced conceptually by it. Again, I wasn't passing judgement because I mentioned that the Beatles used a lot of drugs. And I've probably shared way more than I needed to. Kinda makes me wonder what they put in that milkshake I had at McDonald's... ;-) John From Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Mar 23 13:53:52 1999 From: Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK (Neil Ward) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 18:53:52 -0000 Subject: HW:Buxton rumours.. please note rumours Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: M Holmes To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 23 March 1999 15:30 Subject: Re: Hawkwind Solar Eclipse Gig >P.S. There are rumours that Hawkwind will play Buxton festival in July >if the two sides can agree on a fee. The rumours are founded, but there is a lot of organising to do before band line ups can be finalised. I'll post here as soon as I have some DEFINITE information (as opposed to rumours). Neil. From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Tue Mar 23 14:19:47 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:19:47 -0500 Subject: BOC/HW: From Crawdaddy archives in UA library Message-ID: Lookin' for neat stuff stumbled upon only the 77/78 issues of Crawdaddy magazine. I wish they had the earlier stuff. Dang. Anyways, they had a review of Quark which essentially dissed the record and gave Journey (!!!) the upper hand in terms of spaceiness. Forgive them , for they know not what they did. Also a review of _Spectres_ which conforms to the idea that the LP was a "working man's effort" of solidity and it also thought Buck's writing did a good job of not cloning The Reaper. It also mentions the Beach Boys derivative in Golden Age that's been said here earlier. Some neat stuff in the periodicals section, including a ton of back issues of CashBox, which looks like a trad/college radio publication- lots o' issues from BOC relevant time periods. I'll have to dredge 'em for goodness. Jason From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Tue Mar 23 14:13:54 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:13:54 -0800 Subject: Off: Drugs and music Was: RE: Beatles Message-ID: Drug use is one thing, abuse is another. I was a heavy drug user in my youth but lost interest in it when I hit 30 or so (having children will do that to you..). The reason I caught on that part of the post is, I had recently had a discussion with someone who would not or could not accept that drugs had a large impact on the rock music of today. Here's a good question for y'all... Would the Beatles have had the same success without the chemically induced boost to their creativity? Would the Grateful Dead ever have been successful as they were without LSD? (If you don't understand that connection, I refer you to Tom Wolfe's _Electric Kool-aid Acid Test_). Think about someone like Jimi or Jim Morrison without the drugs.. It makes ya wonder... Oh and alchohol IS a drug, make no mistake. ..and, never having done drugs is nothing to be ashamed of.... JB > O.K., looks like it's confession time... > I didn't say I had a problem with musicians that use(d) drugs - I was > merely making the observation that the Beatles did (which when I first > heard that was quite a revelation). > > You could certainly say that I USED to have a problem with drug use > period - I was a straight-laced, Catholic-raised, geeky kid. > Never did > drugs. Probably had an attitude toward people who did. > > Still haven't done any drugs (any illicit ones - yes, I've > drank plenty > of alchohol which is by many definitions a drug). Not because of an > attitide, just because I think at this point in my life it's passed me > by...you know, if I didn't do 'em in college I probably never > would...probably even regret that a little - something tells > me I'd have > really enjoyed pot... > > Actually, two things probably really made me understand that > people who > do or have done various drugs aren't necessarily evil (or, if > they are, > it probably ain't because of the drugs). First, I had to come to the > realization that the guys in my all-time favorite band, Blue Oyster > Cult, have done various drugs. To an idealistic, naive, > straight-laced > 18-year-old, that was quite an eye-opener. I could either be > judgemental of that, or say "Hey, different strokes for different > folks..." > > The second thing was probably upon my research of the Beatles > themselves, and the realization that these guys did major amounts of > drugs - that "Sgt. Pepper" was probably done more under the effects of > LSD than not - or at least largely influenced conceptually by it. > > Again, I wasn't passing judgement because I mentioned that the Beatles > used a lot of drugs. And I've probably shared way more than > I needed to. > > Kinda makes me wonder what they put in that milkshake I had > at McDonald's... > > ;-) > > John > From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Tue Mar 23 14:18:13 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:18:13 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind merchandizing In-Reply-To: <199901181532.PAA21716@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> from "M Holmes" at Jan 18, 99 03:32:33 pm Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > > Stephen Swann writes: > > > Can anybody ID this vid? And better yet, does anybody know a > > source for a legitimate copy of it? > > That rings a bell. It's the one that opens with piccies of all the > Hawkwind albums. It's either the Promos Video or the US Tour 89/90 video > - sorry, I can't remember which one. > > I'd bet that Kris still supplies it through Hawkwind Merchandising. > > Kris? > > P.S. If you are online, do you guys have supplies of the Weird tapes? My > Hawklords Live one finally went kaput. Or is Cherry Hocking still > manning the switches at Wolden? Did anyone ever confirm that that poster was Kris? (Tait, right?) If so, does anyone know if she's still signed onto the list? And if we're not sure, then what's the next best way to get hold of Hawkwind mechandizing? Steve swann at plutonia.com From flossbac at NLCI.COM Tue Mar 23 14:23:59 1999 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (John Majka) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:23:59 -0500 Subject: 10 most Loved Bands In-Reply-To: <199903231647.LAA05698@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: In no particular order: Hawkwind Tangerine Dream Pale Saints Thin White Rope Guided By Voices Smiths/Morrissey Stereolab Dinosaur Jr. Husker Du Cocteau Twins john majka flossbac at nlci.com From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Mar 23 14:31:55 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:31:55 -0500 Subject: OFF: 10 MOST HATED In-Reply-To: <36F7C7F6.C105DECF@connectfree.co.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Mar 1999, Stuart Hamilton wrote: => Ah, now, just become something is lodged in the collective international => psyche doesn't mean it has merit. After all, how many people still => remember the words to "Agadoo", "Y Viva Espana" or "The Birdie Song". I disagree; on a prosaic level, being memorable makes it inherently above the ordinary. Then there is the question of whether something is lodged in the collective international unconscious in a positive or negative light (overall). Hitler and Pol Pot are lodged there, but negatively so to all but a small minority. Similarly, I'd wager that the three songs you mention above are remembered with derision or dislike by most that do remember them (and I'd doubt that many here in the USA would remember how the tune went, let alone the words). The Beatles, I'd contest, are viewed overall in a positive light. What is more amazing is their consistent staying power. Their albums continue to inspire new listeners and musicians, and both young and old alike tend to name them amongst their "faves." => musical magpies who took the best elements of true innovators and => converted them into an easily palatable commercial whole. Which is in => itself a talent of sorts. But in the sixties, I would pick The Byrds => over everyone else. We shall have to beg to differ. It all looks so easy in retrospect, doesn't it? The Beatles knew everything they tried would work first time, with no effort on their part. It was easy-peasy to knock out such easily palatable commercial material as "I Am the Walrus," "Tomorrow Never Knows," "Helter Skelter," and so forth. Nobody panned "The Magical Mystery Tour" film, and everyone loved the White Album. The Beatles didn't do anything innovative in the studio. They never turned around the WHOLE PARADIGM of how bands and their work are perceived. They were not a SEISMIC EVENT on the rock 'n' roll landscape. And, of course, the Beatles were the first and only band to take diverse influences of their predecessors and contemporaries and meld them into their own unique sound. Nobody before or since has done that; everyone but the Beatles play 100% ORIGINAL music and ideas. I know, sounds a bit daft, doesn't it? Cheers, Paul. NP: The Beatles, "Get Back" sessions. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From mwood at MY-DEJANEWS.COM Tue Mar 23 14:34:52 1999 From: mwood at MY-DEJANEWS.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:34:52 -0800 Subject: was HW: Live 79, now Cosmic Jokers Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:37:37 Keith Henderson wrote: >Larry asked... >><< Cosmic Jokers>> >>vas is dem, den? >The 'supergroup' of Ash Ra Tempel & Wallenstein members (and vocalist Gilles >Lettmann aka the 'Sternenmddchen' or Starmaiden) put together by Rolf-Ulrich >Kaiser (Kaiser of Ohr) in his acid-induced vision (they hung out with Leary >after all) of creating 'the Cosmic Couriers.' Apparently, the releases were >made unbeknownst to Manuel Gvttsching (guitarist of AshRa) and pissed him >off to no end. This was also about the time when AshRa's bassist Hartmut >Enke quit playing in the middle of a performance, and stood and watched the >others finish the set. I guess he came to the conclusion that they had >reached some sort of perfect moment, and from that point on lost the desire >to perform again. Needless to say, he ceased to be an AshRa member quite >abruptly. That's a great story - where did you hear that one, Keith? Got a recommendation for a first Cosmic Jokers CD? There are several. MWood NP: HW: IYA -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Tue Mar 23 15:07:27 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:07:27 -0500 Subject: BOC: Buck in guitar Player Magazine Message-ID: According to teir artist archive search doohickey: Buck was/will have an "Intro" in the 4/99 issue of the Guitar PLayer. Only othe time he appeard was 1/76. A shame.. Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Joe.Lofft at EXMAIL.ITEC.SUNY.EDU Tue Mar 23 14:37:00 1999 From: Joe.Lofft at EXMAIL.ITEC.SUNY.EDU (Lofft, Joe) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:37:00 -0500 Subject: Buck in guitar Player Magazine Message-ID: If I remember correctly, didn't buck have an acoustic version of DFTR on a guitar player CD. Does anyone have an MP3 file of this that hey care to pass out? -----Original Message----- From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision [mailto:js3619 at WIZVAX.NET] Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 3:07 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: BOC: Buck in guitar Player Magazine According to teir artist archive search doohickey: Buck was/will have an "Intro" in the 4/99 issue of the Guitar PLayer. Only othe time he appeard was 1/76. A shame.. Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Tue Mar 23 14:51:12 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:51:12 -0500 Subject: OFF: Spinal Tap Message-ID: There is a show on VH1 (my wife watches it, not me - really) called Timeline. They show a band's/act's history with commentary (kind of like all the others the have). Any way, the one with Aerosmith had Steven Tyler saying that when Tap came out he didn't like it cause he thought that they were aiming it at him. > ---------- > From: Stephen Swann[SMTP:swann at PLUTONIA.COM] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 1:16 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: OFF: Spinal Tap > > DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: > > > > i've heard uriah heep referred to more than any one other band... > > yeah yeah it's just me but i thought SPINAL TAP was so close to the > truth as > > to not be that funny....i mean, i enjoyed it, but... > > lb > > Remember _Break Like the Wind_? The lyrics to that were much more > clever and well-thought-out than almost any "real" metal album > that came out that year. > > Steve > swann at plutonia.com > > P.S. Oh, and to the list, add ManOWar! > From StevenTice at AOL.COM Tue Mar 23 15:17:23 1999 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:17:23 EST Subject: Hawkwind mailing list, new from Hawkeye Message-ID: In a message dated 3/23/99 4:57:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: << Age writes: "Compliment" or "complement" - you know what i mean. "Nitpick" as much as you like It's like "colour" or "color" See ya Age >> Actually, that is incorrect, the examples are NOT the same. "Color" and "colour" are simply different spellings of the same word. Compliment is not an alternate spelling for complement, they are two entirely different words, which mean two entirely different things. Compliment: to offer a token of esteem. Complement: to make a thing complete. SET From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Mar 23 15:44:54 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:44:54 -0800 Subject: was HW: Live 79, now Cosmic Jokers Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:34:52 -0800, Marshall Wood wrote: >On Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:37:37 Keith Henderson wrote: >>Larry asked... >>><< Cosmic Jokers>> >>>vas is dem, den? > >>The 'supergroup' of Ash Ra Tempel & Wallenstein members (and vocalist Gilles >>Lettmann aka the 'Sternenmddchen' or Starmaiden) Gilles wasn't a "real" member; her vocals were oberdubbed later (see below...). However, Klaus Schultze WAS a member, and the Cosmic Jokers albums feature some of his best synth work ever done in a band (as opposed to solo) context. >>put together by Rolf-Ulrich >>Kaiser (Kaiser of Ohr) in his acid-induced vision (they hung out with Leary >>after all) of creating 'the Cosmic Couriers.' Right ... the Cosmic Jokers albums were "constructed" (again, see below...) out of sessions from the Leary/Ash Ra Tempel album 'Seven Up' and the Walter Wegm?ller 'Tarot' double-LP. I believe that Tim appears on one or both of the Cosmic Jokers "compilations". >>Apparently, the releases were >>made unbeknownst to Manuel Gvttsching (guitarist of AshRa) and pissed him >>off to no end. Basically, Rolf-Ulrich handed over a bunch of tapes of the band jamming to engineer Dieter Dierks, who edited / compiled / constructed several albums out of them. They were NOT recorded with the intention of being released. Apparently the band members were ALL pissed off! >>This was also about the time when AshRa's bassist Hartmut >>Enke quit playing in the middle of a performance, and stood and watched the >>others finish the set. I guess he came to the conclusion that they had >>reached some sort of perfect moment, and from that point on lost the desire >>to perform again. Needless to say, he ceased to be an AshRa member quite >>abruptly. > >That's a great story - where did you hear that one, Keith? It's pretty well-documented ... check out Julian Cope's 'Krautrock' book which is a great starting reference (although it does contain a few inaccuracies and some very opinionated statements of the YMMV variety). A lot of the info I'm posting here was gleaned from that book. >Got a recommendation for a first Cosmic >Jokers CD? There are several. There are five "official" Cosmic Jokers albums, but two of them are "compilations" of material from the first three and some of the Cosmic Jokers-related albums (such as the aforementioned 'Seven Up'), with additional vocal overdubs from Gille. I would recommend starting with the first two "real" ones, 'Cosmic Jokers' and 'Galactic Supermarket' (and 'Planeten Sit-in' is, I believe, the third "real" one; not sure if this one is on CD yet). However, the "best" Cosmic Jokers album (IMO) is the Walter Wegm?ller 'Tarot' double album, which features an extended Cosmic Jokers lineup (with Harmut Enke playing funky wah-wah rhythm guitar instead of bass, for instance) playing real songs (that sound like everything from the Stooges to the Moody Blues to Funkadelic); it is one of the OUTSTANDING Krautrock albums (up there with 'Yeti', 'Tago Mago', 'The Faust Tapes' and 'Neu! 75'). Unfortunately, it's only available as a deluxe box set with a pack of tarot cards (imagine that!) that will set you back about US$80 (ouch!). I was lucky enough to get a copy from a friend who was about to sell off the promo he was sent. Interestingly enough, I was once in a Krautrock-inspired "band" (that existed for one night only) who recorded a couple hours of material not intended for release, that wound up spawning an LP under the name 'Sternklang'. Sort of a Cosmic Jokers meets 'TAB'-era Monster Magnet sound ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG Tue Mar 23 16:09:33 1999 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG (Olivier Boigey) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:09:33 +0200 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute ha In-Reply-To: <199903231747.RAA13249@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In message ID <199903231747.RAA13249 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk> on 23/03/99, BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List wrote: BDL> Zese vere a group of ze great und ze good of der Deutsche electrik BDL> musicians. Zere vere reportedly playing in ze living room of ze painter BDL> Salvador Dali unde ze influence of chemicals invented by ze Swiss BDL> chemist Albert Hoffman. Two albums including ze Galactic Supermarket BDL> vere produced under zese strange conditions. (these) cosmic courrier 33 1/3 r.p;.m. quadrophonic records (are) produced by the SQ system which permits the reproduction of sound from four separate channels when a special SQ decoder is used in association with suitable amplifiers and four loudspeakers. (These) SQ record(s) will be produced as 2-channel stereo when played through standard stereo equipment. Olivier _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ mailto: olivier_boigey at technolink.org _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Mar 23 16:42:48 1999 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 16:42:48 EST Subject: Hawkwind Solar Eclipse Gig Message-ID: In a message dated 99-03-23 10:44:42 EST, you write: << Bill Stewart writes: > Has anyone heard of Hawkwind doing a Solar Eclipse gig, in Devon, on or about > Aug. 11th? There won't be room anywhere in Devon. Maybe Brock's going to do it on his own farm? >. Actually, this one was 'less' than a rumour, just wishful thinking on my part. Where are the prime viewing locations? > Bill Stewart FoFP P.S. There are rumours that Hawkwind will play Buxton festival in July if the two sides can agree on a fee. >> From mordru at FLITE.NET Tue Mar 23 17:13:34 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 17:13:34 -0500 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) Message-ID: >In a message dated 3/20/99 6:59:41 PM, mordru at FLITE.NET writes: > ><version, >if they'd nailed the lyrics right it would be my favorite version. >>> > >the first version of "spirit of the age" had entirely different lyrics than >what appeared on "quark" etc. <<--that whole "android replica" passage had >been around in recitations since '71 I still think this was a mess-up, though. In the Quark version, the lines: ...my test-tube brother's voice There is no choice between us if you had ever seen us you'd rejoice in your uniqueness and consider every weakness something special of your own being a clone, I have no flaws... somehow seem to skip key lines, including the ones that rhyme with each other, Live '79: ...my test-tube brother's voice there is no choice between us and you'd rejoice in your uniqueness being a clone, I have no flaws to identify... I honestly think he bungled it and skipped lines, and everyone just played through it. Also, somehow "20 telepathic men" became "20,000 telepathic men", but that's inflation for you. ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Mar 23 19:48:53 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 16:48:53 -0800 Subject: OFF: 10 most loved Message-ID: Here's my list (excluding Hawkwind and any bands I've had any degree of personal involvement with), in the approximate order in which I discovered them: * Beatles (Great singers, GREAT songwriters, competent instrumentalists on an individual basis, but fantastic as an ensemble, lucky enough to have an excellent & sympathetic producer to work with) * Ramones (as 1977-era punk bands go, I probably prefer the Pagans, Crime, and a few others, but it was these guys who seriously turned my head around when I was 12) * Velvet Underground/John Cale/Mo Tucker (Lou Reed's solo career hasn't done much for me except 'Metal Machine Music' but John Cale is an all-around musical genius, and Mo has made some damn fine solo albums) * Fairport Convention/Sandy Denny/Richard Thompson (amazing that two fine songwriters, one with a gorgeous voice, and one brilliant guitarist, could wind up in the same band) * Flamin' Groovies (the essence of what rock'n'roll was about in the 50s & 60s) * Deviants/Pink Fairies (Kick Out The Jams, MOTHERFUCKERS!) * Parliament/Funkadelic (no explanation necessary) * Faust (the most far-out of all Krautrockers, who could still write great pop songs!) * Sun City Girls (the most inventive band on the planet in the 80s/90s) ... there's nine, since I'm certain that I've left out (at least) one of my top ten bands. -Doug ceres at sirius.com From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Mar 23 19:54:00 1999 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 16:54:00 PST Subject: 10 most Loved Bands Message-ID: Kids: Ok, I thought about it and here are my TOP 10 most loved bands. I would have said it sooner but I just spent 48 hours without electricity (heat, tunes, etc) up here in the northeast. Yes, I am cranky tonight. ;^) Keep in mind that with the exception of maybe 5 of these, many of these could very well change from week to week. I like so many bands, and so many were hard to place above others. Needless to say my "honorable mentions" list would be a BOC-Digest in itself... Here goes, in Alphabetical order.... *- All time faves Adam and the Ants *Blue Oyster Cult *Brain Surgeons Colin James and the little big band *King's X *Nazareth *Queen Queensryche *Rush *Triumph And yes, I did say Adam and the Ants. So sue me. :^) Torgo Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos *********************************************** Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Mar 23 20:58:50 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:58:50 EST Subject: OFF: GARRRUNNNGGGG!!! Message-ID: In a message dated 99-03-22 16:18:47 EST, you write: << > I thought the alternative movement began when some caveman >decided the way those other guys banged rocks together sucked >and he had a brilliant new vision .... Simon King? Keith H. (FAA >> ---Or Danny Thompson???? Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Mar 23 20:56:24 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:56:24 EST Subject: OFF: AD2 Dirt Message-ID: In a message dated 99-03-22 16:15:53 EST, you write: << And it's the same on my Amon D??l II webpage - it's not the right place to quote what Renate said to me about John Weinzierl! :)) (Though being me, I'd like to read the dirt as well... :) - Andy >> ---Would it be innapropriate to write it here then? I don't care about the faceless characters on soap operas, but favorite musicians--that's another thing. Chuck From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Tue Mar 23 21:00:24 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:00:24 -0600 Subject: HW: Hawkwind merchandizing Message-ID: > > P.S. If you are online, do you guys have supplies of the Weird tapes? My > Hawklords Live one finally went kaput. Or is Cherry Hocking still > manning the switches at Wolden? I think on Hawkeyes web page (or maybe Hawk US Space & Time) there is a hint of releasing Pre-1969 HW stuff on CD, which is from the weird tape era? Check out his site or e-mail him for details....I just briefly remember reading something about it there...His Link and many other excellent HW links can be found on the Hawkman Music "Information Page"...If ya'll know of any I should add....e-mail me with the url address. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Mar 23 21:06:35 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 21:06:35 EST Subject: OFF: the origins of "Alt" (post-paleolithic) Message-ID: In a message dated 99-03-22 16:31:29 EST, you write: << But the musical lineage that you're talking about goes back through the punk movement and the Stooges, and probably back to bizzarro proto-punk like Hasil Adkins, at which point I lose the thread of it. ;-) >> ---I think Zappa did a lot--in '66, Freak Out was released and had in the gatefold a definition of a "freak" or "freaking out", which seemed the most idealistic; that it was simply unmitigated personal, idiosyncratic expression, through whatever means possible; dancing, music, clothing, screaming, whatever... (that's a paraphrase). Obviously, though, this wouldn't produce much music that would be palatable to many people besides that particular freak(s). I mean, look at what people say about Amon Duul I. :) Oh, and I'm sure there are at least a hundred people on this list who hate Zappa and think he's a creep, but maybe we won't have a war about it... :) Chuck From ChStier at AOL.COM Tue Mar 23 21:40:44 1999 From: ChStier at AOL.COM (Chris Stier) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 21:40:44 EST Subject: OFF: Bevis Frond Message-ID: Some interesting news from the Bevis Frond front. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Shaw [mailto:adeshaw at woronzow.netkonect.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, March 14, 1999 9:58 AM To: 'Woronzow Records' Subject: Sorry if you've already received this! Dear folks, Many apologies for those of you who have already received our latest E mail message, but owing to a glitch, this didn't go out to all our subscribers. Greetings to all folk of a Woronzoid nature. We would like to announce the release, straight off the production line, of Woronzow's two latest models. First, available in a variety of finishes, comes The Bevis Frond's 1999 roadster, "Vavona Burr". Sleek, powerful and packed full of innovative features, it comes in either a CD version or for the more traditional listener, a double vinyl touring model. All this for a mere 11 Pounds for the CD, or 16 Pounds for the double LP. How do we do it? Cheques made payable to "Woronzow Records" and please add the following for P & P: LPs - UK: 2 Pounds, Europe: 3 Pounds, Elsewhere: 4 Pounds. CD - UK: 1 Pound, Europe: 2 Pounds, Elsewhere: 3 Pounds. Please send your orders to: Woronzow Records 75 Melville road Walthamstow London E17 6QT England Secondly, we have Adrian Shaw's newest vehicle, "Head Cleaner". Ideal for those of you who want an exhilarating drive with your top down. It's Shaw mark IV, each successive model becoming more refined and yet losing none of the excitement of previous machs. He's been helped in the design of this beast by a crack team of skilled artisans, including Simon House, Nick Saloman, Aaron Shaw, Ric Gunther and Bari Watts. Probably the biggest surprise is you can have one of these CDs for a mere 11 Pounds. Cheques made payable to "A. Shaw" along with the following P & P: UK: 1 Pound, Europe: 2 Pounds, Elsewhere: 3 Pounds. Please send your orders to: Woronzow Records 102 Crescent road New Barnet Herts. EN4 9RJ England. European Tour Dates. The Frond are on tour in Europe. These are the dates to avoid: >01/04: Sojo - Kessel-Lo/B >02.4. Gent-Democrazy / B - >03.4. Drachten-Iduna / NL - >04.4. Wilhlemshaven-Kling Klang / >05.4. >06.4. Aachen-Musikbunker / D >07.4. Frankfurt-Nachtleben / >08.4. Stuttgart-Roehre / D >09.4. Firenze - Auditorium Fog / I - >10.4. Mezzago-Bloom / I - >11.4. Poverone, Mass - Baraonda >12.4. Munich-Atomic Cafe >13.4. Gelsenkirchen-Kaue - >14.4. Berlin-Tacheless - >15.4. Peine-AJZ - >16.4. Dresden-Starclub - >17.4. Luebeck-Treibsand - >18.4. >19.4. Hamburg - Molotow - >20.4. Kopenhagen-Cafe Rust ; Lastly, We would like to announce an expansion of Woronzow Records. We have plans in the next few months for an outpouring of psychedelia unseen since the '60's. We are releasing, amongst others: Tom Rapp's first new album in 25 years. The former Pearls Before Swine's main man is currently recording it with Damon and Naomi amongst others and Shaw and Saloman will be adding their three penneth as well. Truly an extraordinary affair. Country Joe and the Frond. Live, recorded at the Queen Elizabeth Hall, London and His Majesty's Theatre, Aberdeen. If you didn't catch this in the flesh, this is the next best thing. All Joe's best loved songs lovingly re-worked with the Frond augmented by boy wonder Aaron Shaw on keyboards and guitar. The Green Pajamas newest album, truly a delight. Melodic, beautiful harmonies, great production. Stunning. Acid Jam 2. Only 10 years in the coming. Saloman, Gunther and Watts get back together again along with Shaw, Debbie Saloman and Paul Simmonds of the Alchemyst's. A mixture of extreme psychedelia and haunting melodies. Simeon and the Alchemyst's. The Silver Apples meet the west countries finest purveyors of acid-rock. Ooh Aar!. The Lucky Bishops. If you caught them at The Garage supporting the Frond you won't need any encouragement from me to buy this when it comes out. Terrific harmonies and songs from this diamond 4 piece band from Dorset. Mick Wills. The guitar virtuoso's latest meisterwork. Look out, he's got a sitar! Lastly, if you haven't heard, David Ackles, one of the most original and talented singer-songwriters of the last 30 years died recently. We had hoped to release the album he was working on, but this probably won't happen now. Our thoughts are with his family. From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Mar 23 21:46:55 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 21:46:55 EST Subject: OFF:Hated Bands; A confession Message-ID: In a message dated 99-03-22 21:27:08 EST, you write: << But in my defense my BOC collection is nearly complete and I own one HW CD and have two more on order. >> ---Oops, got a kick out of this last sentence. The former part of it could never apply to the latter... :) Chuck From ted at ALGER.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Mar 23 21:58:56 1999 From: ted at ALGER.DEMON.CO.UK (Ted Alger) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 02:58:56 +0000 Subject: OFF: King's X/10 most Loved Bands In-Reply-To: <19990324005405.24453.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: Mr. Brooks asked: >What can you tell me about Kings X? Who would you compare them to that I >might know (consider my geezerhood)? and >Y & T.. are they still around? that crazy Ghost pretty much covered these topics... but I'll just add that I've heard King's X described as "Black Sabbath meets the Beatles".... they've got that heavy guitar riff sound (dropped D tuning) with some beautiful vocal harmonies. and speaking of the Beatles.... the band formerly known as "Yesterday & Today" does still poke their heads up occasionally.... Dave M. released a solo disc last year as well as the "Endangered Species" disc. dunno what they're doing besides that, but I believe they still play the occasional gig around home (SF bay area) S and darn it, enough other people have done it, so I'll inflict my views on everyone! favorite bands/artists (I can't think of 10) B?C King's X Y&T Queensr?che Gary Moore Alice In Chains (hey look they all have/had singing guitar players.....!) other people I currently dig, but don't quite rate as "favorite" Veruca Salt Fates Warning The Tea Party Candy Dulfer and to put in my 2 cents worth on the other topics of recent discussion: I like Rush (not my favorite, but hey Alex plays a pretty good guitar!) and as for Larry's faux pas.... hang in there dude! I'll admit to being annoyed when I saw the huge download coming, but when I realized it wasn't malicious and I saw the abuse you took, my attitude changed! heck in the first months I was on here, I got taken to task by Al B. himself, so keep your chin up! Ted obCD: Jeff Beck - Who Else! From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Mar 23 22:02:38 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 22:02:38 EST Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) Message-ID: In a message dated 99-03-23 05:29:12 EST, you write: << Good to know it's not so, and that he's out there saving those trees. Yours, Jon >> ---Maybe guilt/compensation for what he did to all those drumsticks... :) Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Mar 23 22:01:44 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 22:01:44 EST Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) Message-ID: In a message dated 99-03-23 05:29:12 EST, you write: << Ah! I had wondered what had happened to Simon. I'd developed two private theories, one that since _all_ the Hawks shamelessly remove his writing credits, few as they are, from rework versions ('Iron Dream' to 'Dream Goes On' to 'Are You Losing Your Mind?', and Nik's version of 'Opa-Loka' on 'Sonic Attack 2001' or 'Past or Future'), ---Ah, but this last--it may be called "Opa-Loka 2000", but it could just as easily have been named "2000" and given the credits to Nikwind. A thing of beauty, and a great seque from Soul Herder, eh Paul? :) Sorry, but whenever this tune is mentioned, I have to remind people how much I dig it... that he might actually have asked to be left out and joined a commune or something, and the other that, given he was never the most solid-looking of people, he might simply have snapped :-) Good to know it's not so, and that he's out there saving those trees. Yours, Jon >> Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Mar 23 22:07:56 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 22:07:56 EST Subject: OFF: Linguistics Message-ID: In a message dated 99-03-23 06:33:54 EST, you write: << P.P.S Thanks to all the linguistical experts ---That's "linguistic". :) Hope someone didn't already take advantage of this one... :) for feedback on "COMPLI /E/ MENT ". WOW, I LIKE THIS PRECISION !!!!!!!!! All the best Age >> Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Mar 23 22:20:12 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 22:20:12 EST Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) Message-ID: In a message dated 99-03-23 10:11:53 EST, you write: << In the Early Daze Brock in fact stated that he wanted to experiment with the music of repetition claiming inspiration from Cosmic Jokers which certainly was repetitious. In fact on their albums you can hear a very primitive version of the sound Hawkwind were making from 70-73 before the gear shift of HotMG. There are parts you'd almost swear were from some kind of 1968 Hawkwind. FoFP >> ---Cosmic Jokers? Didn't they operate from '72-'74?? Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Mar 23 22:18:39 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 22:18:39 EST Subject: OFF: Helios Creed Message-ID: In a message dated 99-03-23 09:24:27 EST, you write: << Who is in the Helios Creed touring band? regards, Bill >> ---Hopefully anyone but Helios himself. :) No really, I do like him, it just took a while to used to his style, Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Mar 23 22:31:16 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 22:31:16 EST Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip Message-ID: In a message dated 99-03-23 11:22:22 EST, you write: << they did a pretty good 'pxr5' on that tour, but personally i consider brock's re-arrangement of "urban guerilla" to be an all time low point for hw...dont spoze that was really a song to take "seriously" but the re-arrangement is like vaudeville or something....ewwww.... lb >> Well, it was always one of my favorite HW tracks (this version in partic). But I MUST remember NOT to play it on my show ("I'm gonna blow up all you fuckin' men", or something). (which, btw, begins this Sat, 9-11 pm PST, KUCR 88.3, though for now I'll be sharing the slot w/someone else, so only every other week) Speaking of that, are there any other Hawktracks that could be deemed innapropriate by the FCC? Off the top of my head, "Spirit" comes to mind ("cum") and Nikwind's "Silver Machine"...anything else? Save my ass, Chuck From COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Mar 23 22:56:12 1999 From: COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK (COLM MC WILLIAMS) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 03:56:12 -0000 Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip Message-ID: test -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Rosenberg To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 24 March 1999 03:33 Subject: Re: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip >In a message dated 99-03-23 11:22:22 EST, you write: > ><< they did a pretty good 'pxr5' on that tour, but personally i consider >brock's > re-arrangement of "urban guerilla" to be an all time low point for hw...dont > spoze that was really a song to take "seriously" but the re-arrangement is > like vaudeville or something....ewwww.... > lb >> > >Well, it was always one of my favorite HW tracks (this version in partic). But >I MUST remember NOT to play it on my show ("I'm gonna blow up all you fuckin' >men", or something). > >(which, btw, begins this Sat, 9-11 pm PST, KUCR 88.3, though for now I'll be >sharing the slot w/someone else, so only every other week) >Speaking of that, are there any other Hawktracks that could be deemed >innapropriate by the FCC? Off the top of my head, "Spirit" comes to mind >("cum") and Nikwind's "Silver Machine"...anything else? > >Save my ass, Chuck > From dawa at INTCON.NET Tue Mar 23 22:44:16 1999 From: dawa at INTCON.NET (Dawa) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 21:44:16 -0600 Subject: OFF: King's X/10 most Loved Bands Message-ID: Ok, Ok. I give in. I usually don't put myself up for potential ridicule but here in no particular order are my 10 most loved bands. Don't laugh :P 1. B?C (of course) 2. Ministry and all it's incarnations who would fill up the top 10 if I listed them all. 3. The Clash 4. The Doors 5. Smashing Pumpkins 6. (early) B-52's 7. New Order/Joy Division 8. (early) Cure 9. Devo (YES, Devo :P ) 10. oh yeah, damn I would have hated to miss this one... The Cult. Other notables include... Concrete Blonde, (early) Cars, Blondie, Urge Overkill (Saturation is one of my favorite CDs), The Kings (anybody remember these guys?), Judas Priest (loved British Steel and Screaming for Vengeance), Skinny Puppy, Sheryl Crow, Killing Joke, Alice in Chains, The Young Gods (Awesome band), KMFDM, Gin Blossoms, Butthole Surfers, Black Flag, and Rammstein. I know I'm missing others. I'm not a major collector of material of any of these bands with the exception of B?C and Ministry. If I like something I might pick it up, no matter who it is. Most of the music I've bought in the 90's are industrial compilations though, nothing much else seems to hold my interest for too long anymore. Plus the overall quality of new music pretty much sucks. Dawa P.S.: All the KingsX fans are right on the mark. They are greater than fame has allowed them to be. -- "No Name, No Slogan." - Acid Horse, 1989 From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Mar 23 23:30:05 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:30:05 EST Subject: OFF: 10 most Loved Bands Message-ID: Well, enough people have done this now, so I won't feel guilty: (not necessarily in order, and excluding HW/Nik/BOC and relations): 1. Zappa 2. Amon Duul II 3. Manilla Road 4. Can 5. Slayer 6. Kreator 7. Bad Brains 8. Saint Vitus 9. Bloodrock 10. Marillion (w/Fish) honorable mentions (just a cheap way to make my list longer): Black Sabbath, Doors, Dr. Know, Cathedral (UK), Cirith Ungol, Manowar, Atomic Rooster, Camel (up till and incl. Rain Dances), D. Purple, Zeppelin, Floyd (pre-Wall), Budgie, Iron Maiden, J. Priest, Sundial, Melting Euphoria, Tea Party (pre- Transmission!), Rush (up till and incl. Signals), Uriah Heep, Metallica (pre- Black Album), Primus, AC/DC... hmmm, I think this is getting self-indulgent...what else is new. I'm been indulging myself on this list all day, it must be joy over the fact that finals are almost done... btw, some of the above are just faves just for nostalgia nowadays, but I used to play the hell out of ;em... :) Chuck From mordru at FLITE.NET Wed Mar 24 00:12:14 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 00:12:14 -0500 Subject: 10 most... Message-ID: alright, just for the record in no particular order: loved Blue ?yster Cult Hawkwind Inner City Unit Pink Floyd Warren Zevon Jimmy Buffet (& Coral Reefers) Blackmore's Night Bob Marley & The Wailers Jethro Tull The Bulldaggers (ah, no, they're not real. okay, okay.... The Ramones) disliked Menudo hrmm. that's about it. I mean, there are entire genres I really dislike, but you can't just go out naming people in that style... ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Mar 24 02:35:50 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 02:35:50 EST Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) Message-ID: In a message dated 3/23/99 12:49:57 PM, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: <<> vas is dem, den? Zese vere a group of ze great und ze good of der Deutsche electrik musicians. >> sehr gut! i am zinking den i might ought to haff been hearing zuch musik. lb ps WAR IS OVER (IF YOU WANT IT) >> From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Mar 24 02:40:14 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 02:40:14 EST Subject: was HW: Live 79, now Cosmic Jokers Message-ID: In a message dated 3/23/99 12:50:03 PM, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: << This was also about the time when AshRa's bassist Hartmut Enke quit playing in the middle of a performance, and stood and watched the others finish the set. I guess he came to the conclusion that they had reached some sort of perfect moment, and from that point on lost the desire to perform again. >> it wouldnt be the same thing at all but i'm reminded of an afternoon in '79 when while rehearsing/drumming/tripping...i was really getting into what i was hearing so, um, i stopped to listen and, um... lb From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Mar 24 02:53:32 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 02:53:32 EST Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) Message-ID: you may well be right about that; god knows the recitations got botched all the time >>>anyone know anything about the original "spirit of the age" lyrics? lb In a message dated 3/23/99 5:13:47 PM, mordru at FLITE.NET writes: <> From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Mar 24 03:02:06 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 03:02:06 EST Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip Message-ID: In a message dated 3/23/99 10:32:40 PM, Chuckrecs at AOL.COM writes: <> the second "chorus" of IT'S SO EASY on 1999 PARTY ends w/ the line "the world's so fucked up everywhere you go..." first time through, brock says "mixed up">>> lb From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Mar 24 05:22:13 1999 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:22:13 +0000 Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip In-Reply-To: <84595edd.36f85c84@aol.com> Message-ID: At 22:31 23/03/99 EST, Chuck Rosenberg wrote: >Speaking of that, are there any other Hawktracks that could be deemed >innapropriate by the FCC? Off the top of my head, "Spirit" comes to mind >("cum") and Nikwind's "Silver Machine"...anything else? Do they mind drug references? If not, there's a few you might want to avoid -- Hassan I Sahba/Assassins of Allah being the most obvious, I suppose. And Reefer Madness. Dave. Languages Group Manager. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Mar 24 05:47:21 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:47:21 +0000 Subject: Beatles Message-ID: On tis 23 mar 1999 13.48 -0500 "John A. Swartz" wrote: > Still haven't done any drugs (any illicit ones - yes, I've drank plenty > of alchohol which is by many definitions a drug). By all of them, as best I remember :) And not the least dangerous of them! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Mar 24 05:59:49 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:59:49 +0000 Subject: OFF: 10 most loved Message-ID: On tis 23 mar 1999 16.48 -0800 "Doug Pearson" wrote: > * Fairport Convention/Sandy Denny/Richard Thompson (amazing that two fine > songwriters, one with a gorgeous voice, and one brilliant guitarist, could > wind up in the same band) Ah, a big fan of this lot, I am! :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Mar 24 06:07:07 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:07:07 +0000 Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip Message-ID: On ons 24 mar 1999 10.22 +0000 "Dave Berry" wrote: > Do they mind drug references? If not, there's a few you might want to > avoid -- Hassan I Sahba/Assassins of Allah being the most obvious, I > suppose. And Reefer Madness. Ah, but it's clear that "Reefer Madness" condemns drug use, right? :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 24 06:37:09 1999 From: MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark P Lee) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:37:09 +0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 23 Mar 1999 - Special issue In-Reply-To: <199903231749.MAA21439@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Mar 24 06:51:41 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:51:41 +0000 Subject: OFF: weird quoting Message-ID: Is it my imagination or is peoples' email software simply incapable of including quotes in an identifiable method anymore? It seems like more and more I see messages which completely fail to mark quoted material in the normal fashion, i.e. with ">" marks. In a lot of cases I find I simply can't be asked to figure out which sections are the quotes and which are the senders, and just delete it. Or am I just beset by paranoid delusions? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 24 06:42:52 1999 From: MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark P Lee) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:42:52 +0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 23 Mar 1999 - Special issue In-Reply-To: <199903231749.MAA21439@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 24 06:53:17 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:53:17 GMT Subject: Hawkwind Solar Eclipse Gig In-Reply-To: Bill Stewart's message of Tue, 23 Mar 1999 16:42:48 EST Message-ID: Bill Stewart writes: > Where are the prime viewing locations? The totality track runs through cornwall and then across to France near Paris, down past Budapest going through Bucharest and then into Turkey. Plot a straight line on a map of Europe that fits that and you'll probably pretty much have it. FoFP From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Mar 24 06:54:08 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:54:08 +0000 Subject: OFF: weird quoting, formats, mail systems Message-ID: I think says it all... Yours, Jon -- /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | =====================================================================| | "Probability level 1 to 1. We have normality, I repeat, we have | | normality. Anything you still can't deal with is therefore your own | \_________________________ problem." ______________________________/ \_____________/ From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Wed Mar 24 07:53:07 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 07:53:07 -0500 Subject: BOC: C.E. from England Message-ID: It looks like www.cduniverse.com has the english import of CE for $20.47 From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Mar 24 08:03:26 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:03:26 +0000 Subject: OFF: 10 most Loved Bands In-Reply-To: <343dfd59.36f86a4d@aol.com> Message-ID: okay, avoiding HW and close relations in no partic ordr The Cramps The 13th Floor Elevators The Fall (up to and inc The Wonderful and Frightening World of...) Alternative TV Thee Headcoat(/ee)s/Thee Mighty Caesars/Milkshakes etc Spacemen 3 (and Sonic Boom's solo stuff w/Spectrum etc, but NOT Spiritualized) The Stooges Red Crayola Lee Perry and fighting it out for that last berth to escape the dying sun on the spaceship Hawkwind: Dead Kennedys, Ramones, Can, Vibrasonic, Sterolab, Velvet Underground, Electric Prunes, Link Wray, Bunker Hill, The Chob, Crass, The Seeds, The Dirty Burds, Buzzcocks (but only w/Howard Deveto), Bevis Frond (and compadres), Moonflowers, and loads of others i can't be arsed to type in. andrew "Radioactivity, Discovered by Madame Curie" - Kraftwerk From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Mar 24 08:04:22 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:04:22 +0000 Subject: OFF: Linguistics In-Reply-To: <394c353e.36f8570c@aol.com> Message-ID: >for feedback on "COMPLI /E/ MENT ". > WOW, I LIKE THIS PRECISION !!!!!!!!! Hmm, i trid to avoidoid it for this long but can last no longer; when people were commenting on the difference between the compl(i/e)ments i did notice that people were commenting that whilst colo(u)r were the same word, the comps were not. Now, at a surface level they are but if we accept Roland Barthes' distinction between denotation and connotation then they do both denote the same concept, however what they connote is entirely different. Given that, for Barthes, connotation is the zone of signification in which units of language (and other systems of signs) acquires additional encrustations of meaning. It is, for example, the level of meaning at which ideology operates. In this instance the variation in spelling indicates a regional variation in language usage which begins to tell us something about the user of the sign; further: if one were to use the spelling from another region then we can read a further narrative at work within that which is connoted. The best example here would be that of the English English speaker who was to use the American English speaker's spelling sheme; from this we may begin to posit some assumptions about the aspirational longings of that person, not to mention having the beginnings of a case relating to American cultural imperialism. So, yeah, colour and color are not the same thing. Andrew, self-appointed 'Pedant-Bastard of the Day' 'All you daughters/sons who are sick of fancy music We dig repetition We dig repetition' -The Fall From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Wed Mar 24 08:16:24 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:16:24 -0500 Subject: OFF: Beatles/Drugs Message-ID: > > The reason I caught on that part of the post is, I had recently had a > discussion with someone who would not or could not accept that drugs > had a > large impact on the rock music of today. > > Here's a good question for y'all... Would the Beatles have had the > same > success without the chemically induced boost to their creativity? I agree. I wouldn't use it as an endorsement, but the impact of drugs on rock music is there - both the good in the bad in some cases. In my reading of the Beatles, a book (can't remember the name at the moment) basically chronicled the recording of all their songs - and you could see how drugs may have played a part in both great albums like "Revolver" and "Sgt. Pepper", but taken their toll by the time of "The White Album" and "Let it Be" - true that there were other factors involved, and certainly there are great songs on those albums as well. > > Oh and alchohol IS a drug, make no mistake. I agree - I only seperated it because of the legal distinction from other drugs. I have first-hand experience on how alchohol can mess someone up. > > ..and, never having done drugs is nothing to be ashamed of.... No shame - just wonder what I might've missed... John -- John A. Swartz - The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA - jswartz at mitre.org "Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to Anger. Anger leads to Hate. Hate leads to SUFFERING." -- Yoda (Star Wars: Episode 1 - The Phantom Menace) From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Wed Mar 24 08:21:17 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:21:17 -0500 Subject: OFF: Adam Ant - Abigail Lenz - SBQ Message-ID: > Ok, I thought about it and here are my TOP 10 most loved bands. > Adam and the Ants > > And yes, I did say Adam and the Ants. So sue me. :^) > Torgo Did you ever see them live and notice a cute little lady as one one of their backup singers? That lady was probably Abigail Lenz, now the lead singer for Swamp Boogie Queen. I've mentioned them here before - they're from LA, playing mostly around the club circut there (they are regulars at the LA House of Blues), and have recently played several shows with Kenny Wayne Shepherd. They also played at the big festival in Lynchburg, VA last year (along with BOC and many other bands). The're a blues-based rock band with a southern flair -- Abigail has a voice somewhat reminiscent of Janis Joplin. If you ever get a chance to pick up their debut CD "Ill Gotten Booty" (released the same day as "Heaven Forbid"), go for it. John From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Wed Mar 24 08:16:00 1999 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:16:00 GMT Subject: OFF: Linguistics Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1999-03-24 13:16 Anyone care to explain that in English please?!?! ;-) Mark (the zone of my signification is not encrusted!) >Hmm, i trid to avoidoid it for this long but can last no longer; >Now, at a surface level they are but if we accept Roland Barthes' >distinction between denotation and connotation then they do both denote the >same concept, however what they connote is entirely different. Given that, >for Barthes, connotation is the zone of signification in which units of >language (and other systems of signs) acquires additional encrustations of >meaning. It is, for example, the level of meaning at which ideology operates >Andrew, self-appointed 'Pedant-Bastard of the Day' From mwood at MY-DEJANEWS.COM Wed Mar 24 08:43:14 1999 From: mwood at MY-DEJANEWS.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 05:43:14 -0800 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 23 Mar 1999 - Special issue Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:42:52 Mark P Lee wrote: >aaaaagado do do push pineapple shake the tree >Agadoo do do do jump up and down and aaaaaaaaaaargh !! "Swing yourself around, Hawkwind in your area, Hawkwind on your land." (I have no idea what this "agadoo" beast is.) MWood NP: _Acid Daze 3_ -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Mar 24 09:00:23 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:00:23 -0000 Subject: OFF: Linguistics In-Reply-To: <7735@ems.rail.co.uk> Message-ID: > Anyone care to explain that in English please?!?! ;-) It ain't what you say, it's the way that you say it... - Andy ObCD: Jessica Bailiff - _Even in Silence_ mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Mar 24 09:19:16 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:19:16 +0000 Subject: OFF: Linguistics In-Reply-To: <7735@ems.rail.co.uk> Message-ID: At 13:16 24/03/99 +0000, you wrote: >From: Mark Edmonds >Date: 1999-03-24 13:16 > >Anyone care to explain that in English please?!?! ;-) > Yeah, i'm trying to write a thesis and bits of it keep dribbling out in the most unexpected places :-) andrew "i say what comes to my mind" - The Buzzcocks 'Boredom' From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Wed Mar 24 09:11:45 1999 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Patrick Cordiner) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 00:11:45 +1000 Subject: OFF: Linguistics Message-ID: > > > Anyone care to explain that in English please?!?! ;-) Come on, you saying that you don't understand functional linguistics and semiotic theory! Jeez!! Patrick (being sarcastic, just in case anyone misunderstands and flames me for this comment, I withdraw all liability and damages from this comment, see my lawyer for any complications. Copyright 1999.) From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Wed Mar 24 09:32:42 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:32:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: weird quoting In-Reply-To: <469256.3131265101@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> from "Carl Edlund Anderson" at Mar 24, 99 11:51:41 am Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > > Is it my imagination or is peoples' email software simply > incapable of including quotes in an identifiable method anymore? > It seems like more and more I see messages which completely > fail to mark quoted material in the normal fashion, i.e. with > ">" marks. In a lot of cases I find I simply can't be asked > to figure out which sections are the quotes and which are the > senders, and just delete it. I know what you mean. I've seen some of the most amazing quotes attributed to swann at PLUTONIA.COM. > Or am I just beset by paranoid delusions? Not "just". :) Steve swann at plutonia.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Mar 24 10:49:09 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:49:09 -0500 Subject: was HW: Live 79, now Cosmic Jokers Message-ID: Doug said... >>That's a great story - where did you hear that one, Keith? > >It's pretty well-documented ... check out Julian Cope's 'Krautrock' book >which is a great starting reference (although it does contain a few >inaccuracies and some very opinionated statements of the YMMV variety). Yeah, some things he says are downright stupid. But still, a book about Krautrock is better than no book at all. But then, I'd recommend the fine work done by the Freeman brothers first and foremost. Their articles from Audion, and their Krautrock encyclopaedia, 'The Crack in the Cosmic Egg.' Wonderful reference. >>Got a recommendation for a first Cosmic Jokers CD? There are several. My recommendation for material of this sort would be (especially for Americans) the 2CD "Best of the Private Tapes" - M. Gottsching & Ash Ra Tempel put out by Purple Pyramid a year or so ago. Alternatively, PP has also released four of the first five AshRa albums, combining two-on-one CD. I think they snipped a minute or two from them to jam them onto only two CDs, but it comes out as a very cheap way of discovering AshRa. The Cosmic Jokers stuff is only on Spalax (France), and it a touch more costly. (I do like their more rigid/durable digipacks though.) Of the three I've heard, I quite liked 'Sci-Fi Party', which wasn't even a true 'Cosmic Jokers' album (if there were any). >However, the "best" Cosmic Jokers album (IMO) is the Walter >Wegm?ller 'Tarot' double album. Unfortunately, it's only available as a deluxe >box set with a pack of tarot cards (imagine that!) that will set you back about >US$80 (ouch!). Are you talking vinyl or CD?? I see that Spalax has reissued this (1995) as a double CD box set...is this what you're talking about? Presumably, they reproduced the tarot set for this item also? Keith H. (FAA) P.S. Coming up in next months' Aural Innovations....interview with Lutz Ulbrich & Michael G?nther of Agitation Free about old times, and new recordings! From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Mar 24 11:22:21 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:22:21 -0600 Subject: OFF: King's X and Others, the silence is broken. Message-ID: Ok JB I've got the fever now so why stop: King's X Discography Out of the Silent Planet - Heavy music with lovely vocals. Songs of note: King (used as opener for many years) Godilox (R&B ballad) Shot of Love. Personal faves Far, Far Away and Visions Gretchen Goes to Nebraska - My fave King's X, concept album. Songs of Note: Over My Head and Summerland (both staples in the setlist, two of the big three). Personal Fave: Pleadies. Faith Hope Love - Fans really love this one. Songs of Note: Its Love, title track. Personal Faves - Moanjam (man do they just cut loose and play, especially Ty) Mr. Wilson. S/T - Often I think this is the ultimate KX album. Vocals as sharp as they come. Musically very tight. Seriously underatted album. Songs of Note - Black Flag, Lost in Germany (Staples in the setlist) Personal faves - Silent Wind, Prisoner, What I know About Love and The World Around Me. Dogman - This is where things got different, a real one of a kind album. Sam Taylor produced the first four albums. Stone Temple Pilots producer did this one. Heavy, heavy stuff with little to none of those famous vocal harmonies. Songs of Note: Title Track, cover of Manic Depression (is it live or Memorex?). Personal faves: Shoes, Flys and Blue Skies, Cigarettes. Ear Candy - This one is Da Bomb. Overall its the best. Songs of Note: Sometime, The Train, Life Going By, Looking For Love. Personal fave: A Box. Another setlist staple, Ty's solo changes everytime its played, his personal DFtR. Tapehead - The latest. Only complaint is its too short, I want more. Songs of Note: Groove Machine, Fade, Over and Over. Personal Faves: Happy (definitley top five fave song) Mr. Evil and World. There is also a Best of with three bonus tracks (Lover, April Showers and Sally). Good selection of tracks on it. As you can see other KX fans came out of the closet. But if you really want an endorsement of this band, next time you see BOC ask Danny Miranda what he thinks of them. Boy loves this band. L8er Ghost in the Ruins "Well its not just something deep inside my head, it not just for the dead." KX, Not Just for the Dead From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Mar 24 11:43:02 1999 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 00:43:02 +0800 Subject: OFF: 10 MOST HATED In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi all On this subject, I was thinking about artists & bands I absolutely hate, and came to this conclusion. The Bee Gees are responsible for at least 3 or 4 of the worst songs I have ever heard. I also hate a lot of Elton John's material. The Rolling Stones are another that don't really do anything for me. And there are many others that fall into the same category. However, I have occasionally heard something by many of the artists I hate that I believed to be quite good. Because on the whole I hate certain artists, I've never shown an interest in listening to too much of their material, so I have judged them on what I do hear. There are also some artists that I hated at first when I heard one or two songs, but have since became a fan. Therefore, I think it may be unfair to judge the artists, particularly if you know little of their works. It may be better to change this subject to '10 most hated songs' (Stayin' Alive & Jive Talkin' are in that list for me). William From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Mar 24 11:26:20 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:26:20 EST Subject: OFF: weird quoting Message-ID: i know that if i comment on someones comment on someones comment (getting dizzy here) then the person I'M commenting to will have HIS comment AND the one HE'S commenting on attributed to HIM. lb From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Mar 24 11:30:49 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:30:49 EST Subject: BOC-L Digest - 23 Mar 1999 - Special issue Message-ID: In a message dated 3/24/99 6:52:21 AM, MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK writes: <> ....all of a sudden i CAN....DAMMIT (grin) can YOU remember the theme from "the brady bunch"? nyah nyah (JUMBO grin so as not to be misconstrued) lb From mordru at FLITE.NET Wed Mar 24 11:55:53 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:55:53 -0500 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 23 Mar 1999 - Special issue Message-ID: >In a message dated 3/24/99 6:52:21 AM, MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK writes: > ><?>> > >....all of a sudden i CAN....DAMMIT (grin) > >can YOU remember the theme from "the brady bunch"? > >nyah nyah (JUMBO grin so as not to be misconstrued) Ten, sir said the Tenser Tension, Apprehension and Dissention have begun ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Wed Mar 24 11:50:18 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:50:18 -0500 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 23 Mar 1999 - Special issue Message-ID: > can YOU remember the theme from "the brady bunch"? > Thanks alot - now that theme is in my head - aargh!!! From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Wed Mar 24 12:11:00 1999 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 17:11:00 GMT Subject: BOC-L Digest - 23 Mar Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1999-03-24 17:11 Whilst TV is the subject, UK subscribers of a certain generation might like to know that BBC2 is showing a blast from the past: "Inch High, Private Eye" - almost worth setting the video up for! Mark - quicker than the human eye (sorry, off topic) >> can YOU remember the theme from "the brady bunch"? > Thanks alot - now that theme is in my head - aargh!!! From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Wed Mar 24 12:54:00 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:54:00 -0800 Subject: King's X and Others, the silence is broken. Message-ID: Hmm.. looks like another trip to the old cd shop is in my future. I'll give them a try since I've been looking for new horizons and our tastes seem to coincide quite often. And maybe while I'm there, they'll have some more old Savatage CDs. The place I go does imports and rare stuff also so I'm still watching for that Dr. Butcher thang... JB > Ok JB I've got the fever now so why stop: > > King's X Discography DELETED > > As you can see other KX fans came out of the closet. But if > you really want > an endorsement of this band, next time you see BOC ask Danny > Miranda what he > thinks of them. Boy loves this band. > > L8er > Ghost in the Ruins From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Wed Mar 24 13:06:19 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:06:19 -0500 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 23 Mar 1999 - Special issue In-Reply-To: from "DASLUD@AOL.COM" at Mar 24, 99 11:30:49 am Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: > > In a message dated 3/24/99 6:52:21 AM, MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK writes: > > < ?>> > > ....all of a sudden i CAN....DAMMIT (grin) > > can YOU remember the theme from "the brady bunch"? > > nyah nyah (JUMBO grin so as not to be misconstrued) > lb For the love of god, stop this madness! Steve swann at plutonia.com P.S. The whistling theme from the Andy Griffith Show From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Mar 24 14:11:29 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:11:29 -0800 Subject: was HW: Live 79, now Cosmic Jokers Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:49:09 -0500, Keith Henderson wrote: >Doug said... >> ... check out Julian Cope's 'Krautrock' book >>which is a great starting reference (although it does contain a few >>inaccuracies and some very opinionated statements of the YMMV variety). > >Yeah, some things he says are downright stupid. But still, a book about >Krautrock is better than no book at all. But then, I'd recommend the fine >work done by the Freeman brothers first and foremost. Their articles from >Audion, and their Krautrock encyclopaedia, 'The Crack in the Cosmic Egg.' >Wonderful reference. Yes! That's a great book ... an essential Krautrock reference, and certainly more rigorously academic than Cope's book (which in some ways is a glossy fanzine in book format). I still like Julian's book a lot, but I have to roll my eyes when he makes statements (which I paraphrase) like "'Dance of the Lemmings' is a crappy album" (so it's not as good as 'Yeti' - BFD) or "'Amboss' is even better than 'Sister Ray'" (it's great - it's amazing - but it's not THAT great). >>>Got a recommendation for a first Cosmic Jokers CD? > >There are several. >My recommendation for material of this sort would be (especially for >Americans) the 2CD "Best of the Private Tapes" - M. Gottsching & Ash Ra >Tempel put out by Purple Pyramid a year or so ago. The 1971/73 recordings from the Private Tapes set are incredible! If it was up to me, I would have put those out as a 2CD set and scrapped the rest (it definitely has its moments, but too much of Gottsching's later recordings are waaaay to laid back/new agey for me). The Purple Pyramid set is a great bargain compared to the original 6-CD set, though! >The Cosmic Jokers stuff is only on Spalax (France), and it a touch more >costly. (I do like their more rigid/durable digipacks though.) Of the three >I've heard, I quite liked 'Sci-Fi Party', which wasn't even a true 'Cosmic >Jokers' album (if there were any). All five Cosmic Jokers albums are pretty darn good, and the Spalax imports are usually not excessively pricey (I usually see them for around US$18), especially when you compare them to imports on, say, Captain Trip! >>However, the "best" Cosmic Jokers album (IMO) is the Walter >>Wegm?ller 'Tarot' double album. Unfortunately, it's only available as a >>deluxe box set with a pack of tarot cards (imagine that!) that will set you >>back about US$80 (ouch!). > >Are you talking vinyl or CD?? I see that Spalax has reissued this (1995) as >a double CD box set...is this what you're talking about? Presumably, they >reproduced the tarot set for this item also? I'm referring to the 1995 CD reissue. I cringe to think what an original vinyl copy (box set w/cards) would go for. One of my housemates is of Swiss origin and knows quite a bit about art history; when she noticed the Tarot cards that came with the CD, she was already familiar with Wegm?ller's art and was surprised to find out that he had included an album with some of his cards! -Doug ceres at sirius.com From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Wed Mar 24 14:44:02 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:44:02 +0000 Subject: HW: LEMMY REMEMBERS Message-ID: There's another rock glossy doing the rounds called 'rock sound'. I picked a copy up while passing through Manchester purely for the cover CD, but there was a full page given over to Lemmy on the 5 bands that changed his life. They were; 1] The Beatles (pah!):-) 2] Jimi Hendrix 3] Hawkwind 4] MC5 5] The Who (hurrah!) And here's what he had to say about HW. "I was in Hawkwind for 5 years and they changed my perception of what you could do onstage. I'd never been in a band that played for 2 and a half hours without stopping before and I'd never done so much acid or smoked so much dope. It was also the first time I'd worked with a big light show. We used to have 18 projectors, 4 dancers and strobes on the crowd. We also had this instrument that would go into really high frequencies that you couldn't hear but would make you lose your balance and fall over, plus another one that was so low that it would loosen your sphincter muscle and make you shit yourself. That was fun for the audience. We used to have people having epileptic fits. I mean we weren't very gentle with our audience. People used to think we were like Pink Floyd but we weren't!" What nice people. Oh, and it also mentions that there's another MH tour lined up for October. Mind you I wouldn't buy the magazine again. They pick their 50 favourite rock albums, with "Back In Black" being first out the bag. I quote; "Back In Black was recorded when original singer Bon Scott was still in the band before his death due to rock'n'roll excess...the power of Shoot To Thrill, Rock'n'Roll Singer....." So not only is Bon still alive but they revived a song off "High Voltage". Doesn't give you musch faith in anything else they write. SAH NP Ottorino Respighi - Three Botticelli Pictures performed by the Philharmonia Orchestra! -- Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK e-zine and freezine http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Mar 24 15:50:27 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:50:27 +0000 Subject: HW: LEMMY REMEMBERS In-Reply-To: <36F94082.E973344F@connectfree.co.uk> Message-ID: You know, it is when one read things such as this that one can do naught else but plump up the cushions, take a swig of brandy, have a little smoke, and give the servants and concubines the evening off before saying to oneself sotto voce, "Egads, Sir! I love Hawkwind." >"I was in Hawkwind for 5 years and they changed my perception of what >you could do onstage. I'd never been in a band that played for 2 and a >half hours without stopping before and I'd never done so much acid or >smoked so much dope. It was also the first time I'd worked with a big >light show. We used to have 18 projectors, 4 dancers and strobes on the >crowd. We also had this instrument that would go into really high >frequencies that you couldn't hear but would make you lose your balance >and fall over, plus another one that was so low that it would loosen >your sphincter muscle and make you shit yourself. That was fun for the >audience. We used to have people having epileptic fits. I mean we >weren't very gentle with our audience. People used to think we were >like Pink Floyd but we weren't!" "Radioactivity, Discovered by Madame Curie" - Kraftwerk From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Mar 24 16:37:34 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:37:34 -0500 Subject: OFF: Gov't Mule, _Live... With a Little Help From Our Friends_ Message-ID: I just got the new Gov't Mule live double CD today. It's an abbreviation of their mammoth 4 hour 20 minute New Year's Eve gig at the Roxy, Atlanta. Here's what you get: Disc 1: Thorazine Shuffle [9:02] Dolphineus [1:22] War Pigs [8:23] 30 Days in the Hole [6:28] (*) Mr. Big [8:57] (*) Look On Yonder Wall [11:00] (@) Soulshine [9:09] (@#%) Mule [17:56] (#) Disc 2: Sad and Deep As You [13:56] (@&) Devil Likes It Slow [10:43] (#+) Cortez the Killer [14:05] (*#) Afro-Blue [29:30] (#&%+=) * with Marc Ford [guitar] @ with Chuck Leavell [piano, wurlitzer, organ] # with Bernie Worrell [organ, clavinet] % with Derek Trucks [guitar] & with Randall Bramblett [soprano sax] + with Jimmy Herring [guitar] = with Yonrico Scott [percussion] Synopsis: Please remember to wear your asbestos gloves and fire suit whilst handling the CD because this album is *HOT*. It'd be a good idea to turn off your smoke detector whilst listening, too... ;-) Best of all, for diehards like me, too, Capricorn is planning on releasing a limited edition 4CD set (rumoured of 5000 copies) of the *entire show* later this year, allowing you not only to hear the songs that were left off this release, but also, e.g., to hear the *full* version of "Afro Blue" instead of the cut-down one of "only" ~30 minutes. ;-) As Frank Zappa once said, "it's a great time to be alive, boys and girls..." Cheers, Paul. NP: Gov't Mule, _Live... With a Little Help From Our Friends_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Mar 24 16:39:08 1999 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:39:08 PST Subject: OFF: Ten most whatever Message-ID: Once upon a time, Dawa said.... >The Kings (anybody remember these guys? Weren't they the "Beat goes on/switch into glide" guys? Whenever I mention the KINGS, people always think I am talking about THE KINKS... but that I am simple or something and don't know what I am saying. BTW, THE KINKS are a band that put out TWO of my all time fave albums ("Low Budget" and "Give the people what they want"), yet beyond that they don't do a heck of alot for me. And since other people are tossing out honorable mentions, I can't hold back any longer. I guess you could call this "sections I check when I am in the music store"...... Y&T Savatage AC/DC (BON SCOTT ERA!!!!!!) Warren Zevon Zappa Alice Cooper Pat Travers Blackfoot Kiss There are many more... but I seem to have run out of time. I'm sure either Ghost or Crow will ninny bomb me for forgetting someone obvious. :^) Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos *********************************************** Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Wed Mar 24 17:10:47 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 17:10:47 -0500 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album... In-Reply-To: <19990324213909.9951.qmail@hotmail.com> from "Torgo Sedler" at Mar 24, 99 01:39:08 pm Message-ID: Torgo Sedler writes: > > Once upon a time, Dawa said.... > > >The Kings (anybody remember these guys? > > Weren't they the "Beat goes on/switch into glide" guys? Yep. I have that one on vinyl - found it in the cutout bin in a shop on Yonge St, right next to (what was about to become) my _Santers_ LP. :) In fact, not that I think of it, I've been meaning for ages to check into whether that was ever released on CD. Here's an idea for a stupid contest that will generate probably lots of totally unnecessary email: What's the most obscure release that you think we should all own a copy of? I mean, I'm not talking about a band that *you* love to death, I mean a band that you honestly think that lots of people on BOC-L would like, if only they could hear them? I'll live to regret this one, I just know it. Steve swann at plutonia.com From COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Mar 24 18:18:42 1999 From: COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK (COLM MC WILLIAMS) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 23:18:42 -0000 Subject: 10 most... Message-ID: alright heres my view: hawkwind new order motorhead spaceman 3/sonic boom joy division underworld levitation house of love orbital -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Apold To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 24 March 1999 05:11 Subject: 10 most... alright, just for the record in no particular order: loved Blue ?yster Cult Hawkwind Inner City Unit Pink Floyd Warren Zevon Jimmy Buffet (& Coral Reefers) Blackmore's Night Bob Marley & The Wailers Jethro Tull The Bulldaggers (ah, no, they're not real. okay, okay.... The Ramones) disliked Menudo hrmm. that's about it. I mean, there are entire genres I really dislike, but you can't just go out naming people in that style... ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Mar 24 18:12:17 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 18:12:17 -0500 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album... Message-ID: Steve unwisely opens the following Pandora's Box.... >Here's an idea for a stupid contest that will generate probably lots >of totally unnecessary email: What's the most obscure release that you >think we should all own a copy of? I mean, I'm not talking about a >band that *you* love to death, I mean a band that you honestly think >that lots of people on BOC-L would like, if only they could hear them? That's a hard thing to address, really. I mean, although many of our tastes overlap (BOC & HW, by default), any one thing that we could pick might only be found palatable by a select few here. Unless we picked something extremely close to either BOC or HW. And then, what might be obscure to some, might be quite familiar to another, for the very same reasons. But taking that all into consideration (as much as possible), I think I would have to choose 'Kingston Wall - III' as the single item that would be 'reachable' to the largest number of folks here. It's both technically brilliant with flashy guitar soloing and intricate percussion, as well as sufficiently atmospheric and psychedelic to satisfy most parties within the boc-l realm. Keith H. (FAA) From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Mar 24 19:33:32 1999 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:33:32 -0500 Subject: BOC: "Dick" Meltzer Message-ID: John wrote: >(Allen in rehab, Buck about to be divorced). Sure, maybe I just don't >WANT to believe stuff like that -- but even if it is true (and no one I R Meltzer has been know to bend the truth in the interest of interest. >statement like "a dork in an $80 sweatsuit and doing the twist and >holding a beer who looks like he lives with his mother (and maybe an >aunt)". He probably thinks most people are too. >Meltzer's ear for music is obviously affected by his personal issues >with the band. While BOC fans all over acknowledge how much better of a >guitar player Buck has become over the years, Meltzer writes "Buck's >playing was identical to what it was in '76..." Give me a break! He was always a good picker. I can't hear much difference either. >Finally, he seems to feel that his "uncouth behavior" at Buck's wedding >was no big deal. Yet he seems proud of the fact that he felt up Buck's It basicly blew over and Meltzer was still pretty active with the band personally and professionally for years after his unfortunate behavior at Don & Sandy's wedding. >"That's what we get for letting Rumplestiltskin come to our wedding. >(BTW, he wasn't even invited, just like the above-mentioned troll, so he >begged to come. We felt sorry for him and let him. Sandy never liked Richard and he knew it. I think he was upset at Don for gettin' hitched. >he showed up drunk, exposed his pitiful genitals to some of our guests, then >crawled into the darkness when told the police were on their way...never >to be >seen again. This is the other side's turn to bend the truth. >He never broke a window either.) He did however throw his beer bottle at the plate glass window of the reception hall as he was leaving (it bounced off the window). His girlfriend, Ronnie, was totally humiliated, dragged him out and drove him back to the city. ;-) >As for tBS, I don't know when they last collaborated with him with >recent lyrics - I believe most of the tBS tunes with Meltzer lyrics are >older lyrics - stuff written in the 70s. There's two on the new record, one old and one new. I still have a good relationship with Richard but then I didn't stiff him for hundreds of thousands of dollars either. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Mar 24 19:50:47 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 00:50:47 +0000 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album... Message-ID: On ons 24 mar 1999 18.12 -0500 "Keith Henderson" wrote: > But taking that all into consideration (as much as possible), I think I > would have to choose 'Kingston Wall - III' as the single item that would be > 'reachable' to the largest number of folks here. It's both technically > brilliant with flashy guitar soloing and intricate percussion, as well as > sufficiently atmospheric and psychedelic to satisfy most parties within the > boc-l realm. Seconded, though I would say if you couldn't get three, get one or two. KW were very, _very_ good. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Mar 24 20:04:08 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 01:04:08 +0000 Subject: OFF: Gov't Mule, _Live... With a Little Help From Our Friends_ Message-ID: On ons 24 mar 1999 16.37 -0500 "Paul Mather" wrote: > Best of all, for diehards like me, too, Capricorn is planning on > releasing a limited edition 4CD set (rumoured of 5000 copies) of the > *entire show* later this year, allowing you not only to hear the songs > that were left off this release, but also, e.g., to hear the *full* > version of "Afro Blue" instead of the cut-down one of "only" ~30 > minutes. ;-) Must. Have. This! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Mar 24 20:31:08 1999 From: COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK (COLM MC WILLIAMS) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 01:31:08 -0000 Subject: hawklords Message-ID: Hi all, Just got hold of "the hawklords live" bloody brilliant really wish that I could have seen hawkwind live when calvert sung with them. My fav of all time period of hawklore is when he fronted them classics like steppenwolf, reefer madness, death trap, damnation alley(my all time fav hawkwind track!), highrise, over the top (I could go on!!!!). An unrecognised genius of wordplay!!!!!! My all-time fav hawkwind moment is when they played spirit of the age at Brixton with astralasia and calvert vocal was used as a live sample for the song. I was in heaven let me tell you! colm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vince-l at EROLS.COM Wed Mar 24 20:26:43 1999 From: vince-l at EROLS.COM (Vince LeGrand) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:26:43 -0500 Subject: was HW: Live 79, now Cosmic Jokers Message-ID: Hmmm..I own the Tarot box set on vinyl with the cards. Any guess as to how much it's worth? -----Original Message----- From: Doug Pearson To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 2:24 PM Subject: Re: was HW: Live 79, now Cosmic Jokers >On Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:49:09 -0500, Keith Henderson >wrote: > >>Doug said... >>> ... check out Julian Cope's 'Krautrock' book >>>which is a great starting reference (although it does contain a few >>>inaccuracies and some very opinionated statements of the YMMV variety). >> >>Yeah, some things he says are downright stupid. But still, a book about >>Krautrock is better than no book at all. But then, I'd recommend the fine >>work done by the Freeman brothers first and foremost. Their articles from >>Audion, and their Krautrock encyclopaedia, 'The Crack in the Cosmic Egg.' >>Wonderful reference. > >Yes! That's a great book ... an essential Krautrock reference, and >certainly more rigorously academic than Cope's book (which in some ways is >a glossy fanzine in book format). I still like Julian's book a lot, but I >have to roll my eyes when he makes statements (which I paraphrase) like >"'Dance of the Lemmings' is a crappy album" (so it's not as good as 'Yeti' >- BFD) or "'Amboss' is even better than 'Sister Ray'" (it's great - it's >amazing - but it's not THAT great). > >>>>Got a recommendation for a first Cosmic Jokers CD? >> >>There are several. >>My recommendation for material of this sort would be (especially for >>Americans) the 2CD "Best of the Private Tapes" - M. Gottsching & Ash Ra >>Tempel put out by Purple Pyramid a year or so ago. > >The 1971/73 recordings from the Private Tapes set are incredible! If it >was up to me, I would have put those out as a 2CD set and scrapped the rest >(it definitely has its moments, but too much of Gottsching's later >recordings are waaaay to laid back/new agey for me). The Purple Pyramid >set is a great bargain compared to the original 6-CD set, though! > >>The Cosmic Jokers stuff is only on Spalax (France), and it a touch more >>costly. (I do like their more rigid/durable digipacks though.) Of the three >>I've heard, I quite liked 'Sci-Fi Party', which wasn't even a true 'Cosmic >>Jokers' album (if there were any). > >All five Cosmic Jokers albums are pretty darn good, and the Spalax imports >are usually not excessively pricey (I usually see them for around US$18), >especially when you compare them to imports on, say, Captain Trip! > >>>However, the "best" Cosmic Jokers album (IMO) is the Walter >>>Wegm?ller 'Tarot' double album. Unfortunately, it's only available as a >>>deluxe box set with a pack of tarot cards (imagine that!) that will set you >>>back about US$80 (ouch!). >> >>Are you talking vinyl or CD?? I see that Spalax has reissued this (1995) as >>a double CD box set...is this what you're talking about? Presumably, they >>reproduced the tarot set for this item also? > >I'm referring to the 1995 CD reissue. I cringe to think what an original >vinyl copy (box set w/cards) would go for. One of my housemates is of >Swiss origin and knows quite a bit about art history; when she noticed the >Tarot cards that came with the CD, she was already familiar with >Wegm?ller's art and was surprised to find out that he had included an album >with some of his cards! > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com From mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM Wed Mar 24 20:43:38 1999 From: mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM (Matthew Braun) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:43:38 CST Subject: OFF: That one obscure album... In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:30:13 CST." <199903250130.UAA03910@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: >From: Stephen Swann writes of "The Kings Are Here" >Yep. I have that one on vinyl - found it in the cutout bin in a shop >on Yonge St, right next to (what was about to become) my _Santers_ LP. :) >In fact, not that I think of it, I've been meaning for ages to check >into whether that was ever released on CD. Don't think so. I've got a vinyl copy (or two) of it. Their 2nd album is pretty dreadful...actually, most of the first one is, too. :-) Those first two songs, though--I've listened to them WAY too many times. :-) m@ ObCD: The Vapors, _Vaporized_ From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Mar 24 20:38:53 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:38:53 -0500 Subject: was HW: Live 79, now Cosmic Jokers Message-ID: >Hmmm..I own the Tarot box set on vinyl with the cards. Any guess as to how >much it's worth? Dag Erik Asbjornson suggests that a complete set in great condition could yield you on the order of 400 DEM (which converts to US$222, or ?156). $80 sounds like a deal. :) Keith H. (FAA) From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Wed Mar 24 23:39:18 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 22:39:18 -0600 Subject: Forbidden Dimension Message-ID: Stephen Swann wrote: > > Here's an idea for a stupid contest that will generate probably lots > of totally unnecessary email: What's the most obscure release that you > think we should all own a copy of? I mean, I'm not talking about a > band that *you* love to death, I mean a band that you honestly think > that lots of people on BOC-L would like, if only they could hear them? > > I'll live to regret this one, I just know it. > > Steve > swann at plutonia.com I would have to cast a vote for a Calgary based band called Forbidden Dimension. Though only a local group, they have seemed to attract quite the following around these parts. I fist saw them here in Saskatoon back in '97, where they did a sorta gothic/punk/rock style. They also have a very interesting lyrical style, very 50's, 60's, 70's horror movie influenced. In the past few years I have attained all three CD's, and can honestly say there material is some of THEE best I have ever heard. Even after hearing them perform two great versions of "Stairway to the Stars" and "M.E.262" when they played here, I can say with all honesty that this review is 100% unbiased :-). The B?C influence is apparent lyrically, with songs about vampires, Altamont, darker conspiracies etc., and they present these premises with both humor and intelligence. The song writing is full of very catchy arrangements (in my opinion), with a few select tracks of instrumentals, where Jackson Phibes (lead Guitar) plays a quite cool 1960ish sounding organ. But the FD have a signature both musically and lyrically, definitely carving out their own musical path, a rare commodity these days, can say with all honest these guys would never win a Juno or an American Music award (I have built up tension, I know:-)). Everyone on this list seems to love music allot, AND require a lot out of the music they listen to (don't I butter up good;-)), so I can say with 100% assurance most of ya (I'm thinkin' 90%) will dig Forbidden Dimension as much as I do, here's a few lyrics I really em diggin' right now: >From "Big Black Hearse" "I quite my job at the parlor man that business sure was dead, shot my boss, stole the hearse, and down the road I fled. While I stole a lonesome honey, I got her heart in my hand." "you see my big black hearse a'rollin', goddamn that highway sure is long, The iron tongue of midnight tolls out it's lonesome song, Well I could be dyin' easy, but dyin' easy ain't my plan! This ain't no peaceful easy feelin' when a fiend like me is always on the lamb... but I ain't no sheep..." And the quite excellent chorus from a song called "Annabel", a song about a vampire, probably one of the best lyrics I have ever heard, well judge your self; "In eternal, loving memory of Annabel, your tears stain, the soil where she lay, born to moonlight, back in 1857, because some jerk, had to go and walk across her grave. When twilight fell, in the devils play she took her part, she played it well until I staked my love in her heart" For all your Forbidden Dimension needs go to: http://plaza.powersurfr.com/Forbidden_Dimension/ Check this band out, you WILL NOT be sorry, TTFN. Laj. From StevenTice at AOL.COM Thu Mar 25 00:26:32 1999 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 00:26:32 EST Subject: OFF: That one obscure album.../faves in general Message-ID: In a message dated 3/24/99 6:22:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: << That's a hard thing to address, really. I mean, although many of our tastes overlap (BOC & HW, by default), any one thing that we could pick might only be found palatable by a select few here. Unless we picked something extremely close to either BOC or HW. >> I agree...one thing I found particularly interesting about the favorite band lists is that there is such a divergence in tastes on this list...I thought there might turn out to be a few bands, or, heck, a few STYLES, at least, that would rise to the top as shared among BOC-L members, but, wow, tastes really vary here... Next fun question being, why is it, exactly, that BOC and Hawkwind attract fans of so many different kinds of music? I'm not too familiar with Hawkwind, but BOC's music doesn't strike me as all THAT eclectic... SET From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Thu Mar 25 04:03:36 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Gekke Henkie) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:03:36 +0100 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album... In-Reply-To: <199903242210.RAA12380@imperatrix.plutonia.com> Message-ID: Op 24 Mar 99, om 17:10, Stephen Swann schreef: > Here's an idea for a stupid contest that will generate probably lots > of totally unnecessary email: What's the most obscure release that you > think we should all own a copy of? I mean, I'm not talking about a band > that *you* love to death, I mean a band that you honestly think that lots > of people on BOC-L would like, if only they could hear them? It's a stupid contest, but I bet it will be fun :-))) This one is obscure (in the Netherlands) David Peel and the lower Eastside-have a marijuana Great recording on the streets of San Fransico (?), with fantastic atmosphere, live audience and really great lyrics! Buy it if you can find it! --BArt From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Thu Mar 25 04:11:16 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:11:16 +0900 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album... Message-ID: > Coming out of lurker-dom for this one, try the Haze 21 anniversary gig CD from last year. Sort of heavy-proggie band from Sheffield who never really made it as they should. There were a couple of albums that I can't remember the name of now. I remember one single was named after the Land Rover, Gabbadon. Genesis, HW et al were definite influences along with a number of others. Songwriting came from the Brothers McMahon. drumming came from a string of muppet like characters with a frequency that rivals Spinal Tap. The CD is available from World Turtle records along with the band members solo offerings and side groups which included World Turtle, Von Danniken et al. That's me. Back to reading. -- Dave Greenhalgh Engineering Manager Matra Marconi Space Field Office - Tokyo ICQ#33513470 From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Wed Mar 24 23:19:01 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 04:19:01 +0000 Subject: OFF: Spinal Tap Message-ID: > > Remember _Break Like the Wind_? The lyrics to that were much more > > clever and well-thought-out than almost any "real" metal album > > that came out that year. > > > > Steve Even though they were a "joke" band, Spinal Tap put out two albums that were actually really solid metal, and a lot of fun. -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Wed Mar 24 23:19:01 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 04:19:01 +0000 Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip Message-ID: > At 22:31 23/03/99 EST, Chuck Rosenberg wrote: > >Speaking of that, are there any other Hawktracks that could be deemed > >innapropriate by the FCC? Off the top of my head, "Spirit" comes to mind > >("cum") and Nikwind's "Silver Machine"...anything else? You really never can tell with those fine folks at the FCC what they'll allow and what they won't. Listen closely to your radio sometime. There are recent tunes out there with words like "Dick", "shit", "asshole" and more that are being played unedited. Meanwhile, I got yelled at for playing Chef's "Chocolate Salty Balls" off the South Park soundtrack because management heard that the FCC was handing out $25,000 fines PER SPIN! -- Nick From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Thu Mar 25 04:23:02 1999 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 02:23:02 -0700 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album... Message-ID: I couldn't resist. Not this thread!! I have to recommend Grobschnitt's "Rockpommels Land." Beautiful '70's prog!! Pam From c.d.bates at SHU.AC.UK Thu Mar 25 04:53:14 1999 From: c.d.bates at SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:53:14 +0000 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album... In-Reply-To: <36F9FDB3.1FA5DB6D@virgin.net> Message-ID: On 25 Mar, Dave Greenhalgh wrote: > Coming out of lurker-dom for this one, try the Haze 21 anniversary gig CD from > last year. Sort of heavy-proggie band from Sheffield who never really made it > as they should. There were a couple of albums that I can't remember the name > of now. I remember one single was named after the Land Rover, Gabbadon. Obscure? That's not obscure - it's on my office desk as I type! In fact two BOC-Lers (myself and Big Mike) were there. Obscure! Ha! > Genesis, HW et al were definite influences along with a number of others. > Songwriting came from the Brothers McMahon. drumming came from a string of > muppet like characters with a frequency that rivals Spinal Tap. Well Chiz was around for a long while (10 years). I suppose I ought to chip in with an offering. What about (also on the desk) *Medicine Hat* by the band of the same name? A bunch of country rockers from (I think) London - sort of like AC/DC meets Johnny Cash. -- Chris Bates Lecturer School of Computing and Management Sciences Sheffield Hallam University c.d.bates at shu.ac.uk From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Thu Mar 25 05:55:01 1999 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:55:01 +1100 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album... Message-ID: Stephen Swann wrote: > > Here's an idea for a stupid contest that will generate probably lots of > totally unnecessary email: What's the most obscure release that you > think we should all own a copy of? I mean, I'm not talking about a band > that *you* love to death, I mean a band that you honestly think that > lots of people on BOC-L would like, if only they could hear them? My submission is "Tales of the Future" by Melbourne band Brainstorm. (Closely followed by any one of the three albums by late 70's Melbourne band Cybotron) Soniqu? -- PO Box 378 Paul Ward Ashburton http://sonique.net VIC 3147 (time permitting) Mob:0418 524744 sonique at sonique.net From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Thu Mar 25 06:33:15 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 06:33:15 -0500 Subject: BOC: Wings Setlist Message-ID: I don't recall anyone posting the setlist for BOC at Wings. Apologies if someone did, and because this is so late. Burnin' for You Cities on Flame Harvester of Eyes ETI Harvest Moon Buck's Boogie (6:28) Take Me Away See You in Black Astronomy Lips in the Hills Godzilla Reaper ---------- Dominance and Submission Insteresting side note, someone gave Eric a note that said that Wings was originally called the Four Winds Bar. From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Thu Mar 25 06:48:23 1999 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:48:23 +0100 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > >My submission is "Tales of the Future" by Melbourne band Brainstorm. > >(Closely followed by any one of the three albums by late 70's Melbourne band >Cybotron) > >Soniqu? do you have more information of cybotron. i have 1 cd of them on a german label. the cd is called colossus, and it's a great piece of spacerock. reminds me sometimes of ash ra tempel, really great. what other releases do they have and are they available on cd yet. thanks andre From ted at ALGER.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Mar 25 07:39:00 1999 From: ted at ALGER.DEMON.CO.UK (Ted Alger) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:39:00 +0000 Subject: OFF: 10 MOST HATED In-Reply-To: <000001be7615$622d9da0$a83e3bcb@xl5> Message-ID: Mr Duffy said: > >Therefore, I think it may be unfair to judge the artists, particularly if >you know little of their works. It may be better to change this subject to >'10 most hated songs' (Stayin' Alive & Jive Talkin' are in that list for >me). > >William oh come on now..... I always thought Dweezil Zappa's cover of 'Stayin Alive' (with Donny Osmond on vox) was pretty good, in a twisted, Zappa sort of way! Ted From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Thu Mar 25 08:22:52 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:22:52 -0500 Subject: OFF: Spinal Tap Message-ID: > > > Remember _Break Like the Wind_? The lyrics to that were much more > > > clever and well-thought-out than almost any "real" metal album > > > that came out that year. > > > > > > Steve > > Even though they were a "joke" band, Spinal Tap put out two albums > that were actually really solid metal, and a lot of fun. > > -- Nick > Agreed. I really enjoy pulling out my 2 Tap CDs every now and then. Some of the lyrics are just plain silly, but the music is actually pretty cool. They did a good job of parodying several different styles (metal, early-60s rock, late-60s rock). "Just crank that volume to the point of pain -- why waste good music on a brain?" -- "Heavy Duty", Spinal Tap John From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Mar 25 08:24:10 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:24:10 -0500 Subject: OFF: Spinal Tap Message-ID: >> > Remember _Break Like the Wind_? The lyrics to that were much more >> > clever and well-thought-out than almost any "real" metal album >> > that came out that year. >> > >> > Steve > >Even though they were a "joke" band, Spinal Tap put out two albums >that were actually really solid metal, and a lot of fun. Well, portions were metal. I'm sure you're not including "Send me some money", "Listen to the flower people", "Clam Caravan" etc. as metal.... ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Mar 25 08:24:11 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:24:11 -0500 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album... Message-ID: >Stephen Swann wrote: >> >> Here's an idea for a stupid contest that will generate probably lots of >> totally unnecessary email: What's the most obscure release that you >> think we should all own a copy of? I mean, I'm not talking about a band >> that *you* love to death, I mean a band that you honestly think that >> lots of people on BOC-L would like, if only they could hear them? Alright, the most obscure album..... it would have to be Caution. Though it seems a contradiction, it's obscurity is legendary. Yes, it's by Hawkwind, but honestly does anyone have a copy in their collection? I doubt it, except maybe Sonique. ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Thu Mar 25 08:42:44 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:42:44 -0500 Subject: BOC: "Dick" Meltzer Message-ID: > >statement like "a dork in an $80 sweatsuit and doing the twist and > >holding a beer who looks like he lives with his mother (and maybe an > >aunt)". > > He probably thinks most people are too. > Maybe I took offense to this 'cuz I wonder what the hell he might print if he ever saw ME at a show... > >Meltzer's ear for music is obviously affected by his personal issues > >with the band. While BOC fans all over acknowledge how much better > of a > >guitar player Buck has become over the years, Meltzer writes "Buck's > >playing was identical to what it was in '76..." Give me a break! > > He was always a good picker. I can't hear much difference either. > Well, maybe because he's still playing the same SONGS as he was in '76... But, to my ears, Buck has become a much more "fluid" player - especially when soloing. A lot of the signature riffs and tone are the same, but his movement from various guitar parts seems much more seamless. Sort of like what a lot of blues guitarists said about Stevie Ray Vaughan's playing. > >he showed up drunk, exposed his pitiful genitals to some of our > guests, then > >crawled into the darkness when told the police were on their > way...never > >to be > >seen again. > > This is the other side's turn to bend the truth. Well, from my own observations, most women want their wedding day to be "perfect", and I wouldn't be surprised by any long-time resentment toward someone who messed that up in any way. No offense toward women intended - just an observation. > >As for tBS, I don't know when they last collaborated with him with > >recent lyrics - I believe most of the tBS tunes with Meltzer lyrics > are > >older lyrics - stuff written in the 70s. > > There's two on the new record, one old and one new. I still have a > good > relationship with Richard but then I didn't stiff him for hundreds of > thousands of dollars either. > I remember some of your comments after your "West Coast Tour" in '97 - it certainly sounded like you two were on good terms. Hey, not all of us can get along on every issue. I always liked a lot of Meltzer's lyrics, and I'm sure the tunes you set to them on the next tBS album will be cool. Albert - who would've thought that YOU would be the "neutral 3rd party" in a BOC dispute? ;-) John From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Mar 25 09:03:23 1999 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:03:23 +0800 Subject: OFF: 10 MOST HATED In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi there > Mr Duffy said: > > > >Therefore, I think it may be unfair to judge the artists, particularly if > >you know little of their works. It may be better to change this > subject to > >'10 most hated songs' (Stayin' Alive & Jive Talkin' are in that list for > >me). > > > >William > > oh come on now..... I always thought Dweezil Zappa's cover of > 'Stayin Alive' > (with Donny Osmond on vox) was pretty good, in a twisted, Zappa > sort of way! > I haven't heard that version, but would love to. I really like twisted versions of well-known songs. William From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Mar 25 07:54:25 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:54:25 EDT Subject: ' Zilla In-Reply-To: <199903162114.QAA26178@imperatrix.plutonia.com> Message-ID: > From: Stephen Swann > Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 writes: > > > > Success is relative, and remember, when I was young, BOC was huge. > > I thought when you were young, Glenn Miller was huge? > ;-) > > Steve When I was young, Scott Joplin was huge... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Mar 25 07:59:27 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:59:27 EDT Subject: Off: 101 adjectives In-Reply-To: <572804.3130573972@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > From: Carl Edlund Anderson > On tis 16 mar 1999 04.25 +0000 "" wrote: > > Lemmy is a true thinker. Not a lick of book smarts, but a Motorhead > > lyric speaks more truth than most. > > Dunno about book smarts from _school_, but the man is > supposed to read voraciously. I think it shows in his lyrics. > > Though he's certainly not the only rocker we've seen who > has hidden depths! > > Cheers, > Carl Careful here...Isn't Neil Peart a big reader? you know who... From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Mar 25 08:24:38 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:24:38 EDT Subject: OFF: Gov't Mule, _Live... With a Little Help From Our Friend In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Paul Mather > I just got the new Gov't Mule live double CD today. It's an > abbreviation of their mammoth 4 hour 20 minute New Year's Eve gig at the > Roxy, Atlanta. Here's what you get: > Paul, is this a mainstream release on Capricorn, readily available? I gotta get this... theo From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Mar 25 10:01:08 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:01:08 -0500 Subject: OFF: Gov't Mule, _Live... With a Little Help From Our Friend In-Reply-To: <5CB1142B26@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 wondered: =>> I just got the new Gov't Mule live double CD today. It's an =>> abbreviation of their mammoth 4 hour 20 minute New Year's Eve gig at the =>> Roxy, Atlanta. Here's what you get: =>> =>Paul, is this a mainstream release on Capricorn, readily available? =>I gotta get this... Yes, it is. My local shop had several copies in stock, pricely highly affordably at $15.95 apiece (great value for a double CD). This album really smokes! The jams on disc 2 are incredible (and disc 1 is no slouch, either). Man, that "30 Days in the Hole" is slaying me AS I TYPE! Cheers, Paul. NP: Gov't Mule, _Live... With a Little Help From Our Friends_ From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Mar 25 10:28:03 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:28:03 -0800 Subject: OFF Gov't Mule Message-ID: >I just got the new Gov't Mule live double CD today. It's an abbreviation of their mammoth 4 hour 20 minute New Year's Eve gig at the Roxy, Atlanta. Here's what you get: Disc 1: Thorazine Shuffle [9:02] Dolphineus [1:22] War Pigs [8:23] 30 Days in the Hole [6:28] (*) Mr. Big [8:57] (*) Look On Yonder Wall [11:00] (@) Soulshine [9:09] (@#%) Mule [17:56] (#) Disc 2: Sad and Deep As You [13:56] (@&) Devil Likes It Slow [10:43] (#+) Cortez the Killer [14:05] (*#) Afro-Blue [29:30] (#&%+=) What? No "Don't Step on The Grass Sam" Dude, is this a general commercial release? Do you know if Sam is on the limited set? Thanks, and forgive the cyber drool. Ghost in the Ruins NP: Shadow Gallery, Tyranny From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Thu Mar 25 10:24:45 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:24:45 -0500 Subject: hawklords Message-ID: I just found this self seame CD in a bargain bin at Strawberries Records and Tapes. Woo Hoo only $4.00. > ---------- > From: COLM MC WILLIAMS[SMTP:COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 8:31 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: hawklords > > Hi all, > Just got hold of "the hawklords live" bloody brilliant really wish that I > could have seen hawkwind live when calvert sung with them. My fav of all > time period of hawklore is when he fronted them classics like steppenwolf, > reefer madness, death trap, damnation alley(my all time fav hawkwind > track!), highrise, over the top (I could go on!!!!). An unrecognised > genius of wordplay!!!!!! My all-time fav hawkwind moment is when they > played spirit of the age at Brixton with astralasia and calvert vocal was > used as a live sample for the song. I was in heaven let me tell you! > ? > colm > From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Mar 25 10:32:07 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:32:07 -0800 Subject: OFF: King's X and Ninny Bomb Countdown Message-ID: JB: When shopping for KX, if funds are limited get the Best of. Most songs I mentioned are on it. If funds are medium go old/mid/now. S/T, Dogman and either Ear Candy or Tapehead. If funds unlimited get 'em all. >There are many more... but I seem to have run out of time. I'm sure either Ghost or Crow will ninny bomb me for forgetting someone obvious. :^) The countdown has started, its comming real soon. 8>)...SK babee...SK What do you think Crow, should we make it a nuke? Ghost in the Ruins NP: Shadow Gallery, Tyranny From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Mar 25 10:33:16 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:33:16 +0000 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album... In-Reply-To: <199903251324.IAA04758@issfire1.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > Alright, the most obscure album..... > > it would have to be Caution. > Though it seems a contradiction, it's obscurity is legendary. > Yes, it's by Hawkwind, but honestly does anyone have a copy > in their collection? I doubt it, except maybe Sonique. As far as I can tell, that's pretty much down to the stupid label it's on, SFR - maybe some day they'll realise what they're sitting on... Of course, it's obviously going to appeal more to the HW side of the list than the BOC one, though. Whenever someone poses a question like this I'm reminded that I've only been collecting obscure music for a few years - almost anything I mention is liable to get six people posting back with "Oh, yeah, I got my ORIGINAL VINYL SIGNED BY THE LEAD GUITARIST when I went to see his undeservedly underrated solo project. But, for what it's worth, a band I've never seen mentioned on BOC-L that I think most people here would get into pretty fast is Brainticket, Italian 70s psychedelia that later went electronic and uninspired. 'Cottonwood Hill' and 'Psychonaut' are both instant buys should you ever see them, and you can quote me on that; lovely stuff. Yours, Jon -- /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | =====================================================================| | "Probability level 1 to 1. We have normality, I repeat, we have | | normality. Anything you still can't deal with is therefore your own | \_________________________ problem." ______________________________/ \_____________/ From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Mar 25 10:46:14 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:46:14 -0600 Subject: OFF: Steve's Box Message-ID: >Here's an idea for a stupid contest that will generate probably lots of totally unnecessary email: What's the most obscure release that you think we should all own a copy of? I mean, I'm not talking about a band that *you* love to death, I mean a band that you honestly think that lots of people on BOC-L would like, if only they could hear them? I'll live to regret this one, I just know it. Steve swann at plutonia.com Give yourself some credit there Mr. Swann, this sounds like a most useful exercise (certainly better than 10 loves/10 hates). Try as I might I cannot narrow it down to one, so with your indulgence I will list three. Ahem....ready Shadow Gallery, Tyranny (Magna Carta Label) - Third album from Penn. Prog Rockers. "Tyranny is a concept album for the end of the millenium, introspective lyrics complement music filled with layers of guitars and keyboards." Heavy progressive style often compared to Queensryche and Dream Theater. Vocals on this one are outstanding. Threshold - Wounded Land (Giant Electric Pea - US) - Awesome European prog rockers, this debut concept album (at least to us Americano's) is indicative of the heavy progressive rock movement. Masterful piece highly recommended to fans of Dream Theater and Fates Warning. Siagon Kick - Devil in the Details (CMC International) - Ooooo I bow down in the direction of Jason Bieler. Master guitar player/singer/songwriter. This is one of the most diverse albums I have hever heard. Combining classic, modern progressive rock elements over a thinly disguised funk groove. No two songs are completely alike. Lyrics range from introspective to absolutely hilarious. A Brain Surgeon cover song in the making, you simply must hear Victoria. The lush melodic Spanish Rain should never be played without candle lights and your significant other. Honorable mention - Masquerade - Surface of Pain, Threshold -Psychedelicatessan, Platypus - When Pus Comes to Shove, Ty Tabor's - Moonflower Lane. Ghost in the Ruins NP: Shadow Gallery - Tyranny From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Thu Mar 25 10:54:37 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:54:37 -0800 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album.../faves in general Message-ID: > vary here... Next fun question being, why is it, exactly, > that BOC and > Hawkwind attract fans of so many different kinds of music? > I'm not too > familiar with Hawkwind, but BOC's music doesn't strike me as all THAT > eclectic... > > SET > My guess is that, with BOC at least, having been around for what, 27 years? - many of their fans are well past 30 years old. I'm about to hit 40.. Been listening to music avidly for 30 of those years and have gone through many stages of likes & dislikes.. keeping what I consider to be the best from each sub-genre I go through, thus when I list my favorite bands, you'll see several different styles represented. If you had asked me when I was 18, it would've been very different, definitely less varied. I'm not a big Hawkwind fan either but they have been around for quite a while as well.. (late 70's? Help me out here, Hawk people..) but with them I think its just that they attract people who's musical taste does not tend to the run-of-the-mill, music for the masses so there too you'll see more unusual choices. Finally, both bands attract fans that on average, I believe, are somewhat more intelligent than your average (insert boring, MTV band here) fan and so tend to listen to a wider variety rather than get stuck on a single band or genre. JB From christou at AS.ARIZONA.EDU Thu Mar 25 11:48:50 1999 From: christou at AS.ARIZONA.EDU (Julian Christou) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:48:50 -0700 Subject: ON (Calvert) & OFF (Robin Trower) Message-ID: Fisrtly ON I have to agree with the following: > Hi all, > Just got hold of "the hawklords live" bloody brilliant really wish that = > I could have seen hawkwind live when calvert sung with them. My fav of = > all time period of hawklore is when he fronted them classics like = > steppenwolf, reefer madness, death trap, damnation alley(my all time fav = > hawkwind track!), highrise, over the top (I could go on!!!!). An = > unrecognised genius of wordplay!!!!!! My all-time fav hawkwind moment is = > when they played spirit of the age at Brixton with astralasia and = > calvert vocal was used as a live sample for the song. I was in heaven = > let me tell you! > > colm I first got into HW in the pre-Lemmy days with "ISOS" and as their sound changed in the 70's, I lost interest in them as they were losing their roots or so I naively thought. It wasn't 'til about 1978 that I belatedly discovered the Charisma albums. What hooked me was Calvert's word play on the Hawklords album, especially on Psi-Power and Flying Doctor (now there's an FCC-band drug refernce song). I really liked the refernce to the old radio drama series I heard as a child updated and nicely paradied by Calvert. Damnation Alley is also one of my faves - "Phoenix is fried up" - what a great line if you've ever been there! And of course there's the beatiful "QS&C" which appeals to us nerdy scientists. How many have spotted the factual errors in that song? (this is especially for the science nerds like myself in the list.) That's part of which makes it special. I recently made a Calvert compilation tape putting Ejection next to Freefall. Was the latter actually scheduled for "Lockheed" or was he just following a trend? Now the Calvert years are my favourite of all the HW incarnations. A few weeks ago I asked the group in "Tales from Atomhenge" and "PXR5" are still available on CD? Still waiting for a kind soul out there to reply. Also been noticing the band lists being put up. Thought I'd add those musicians I listen to a lot .. Solo Artists: Peter Hammill Roy Harper Richard Thompson Jimi Hendrix Canterbury Sound: (pretty much all of them but especially) Soft Machine Robert Wyatt Gong Kevin Ayers Hatfield & the North Prog: Jethro Tull (all incarnations - the 20 yr bix set is indispensable) Genesis (up to Wind & Wuthering) Curved Air (with Way & Monkman) Manzanera/Eno How can anyone not get into "Diamond Head" and "Taking Tiger Mountain" and "801 Live" Amion Duul II Yes (esp. the early 70s) Pink Floyd (up to The Wall but the greatest is "Piper at the Gates of Dawn") Vand der Graaf (Generator) Neo-Prog Pallas Marillion Twelth Night 60's Pop Taken in context of their time, the following were great innovators Beatles (not even getting into that argument!) Who (Pete Townshend visions of teenage angst and wry observations) Kinks (Ray Davies was and still is a great songwriter) Hard Rock/Blues Atomic Rooster Cream (not so much for Clapton but for Bruce) Deep Purple Led Zeppelin Rory Gallagher Of course there are notable ommisions but these came off the top of my head! OFF: A couple of days ago, went to see Robin Trower on tour here in Albuquerque. Still got it. A great guitarist. Check out his US tour for a great show. Three tracks from "Bridge of Sighs" and the show opened with "Too Rolling Stoned" ! Julian From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Thu Mar 25 11:06:31 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:06:31 -0800 Subject: OFF: David Peel Message-ID: Haha... "I wanna be a hippie on the lower east side for.. Mara.. Marijuana!" I haven't thought about that album in years. I probably still have it. I'll have to break it out some night. One christmas (back in the 70's I should add), a rather large (and stoned) group of friends and I decided to walk around the neighborhood singing those songs as Christmas carols. So we walked through the mall, drawing plenty of odd looks and (downright anger in some cases) 6 or 8 of us long hairs, all singing, "ABCD LSD" and "Its my life and I'll do what I want.. Have a marijuana" at the top of our lungs.. JB > This one is obscure (in the Netherlands) > > David Peel and the lower Eastside-have a marijuana > > Great recording on the streets of San Fransico (?), with fantastic > atmosphere, live audience and really great lyrics! > > Buy it if you can find it! > > --BArt > From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Mar 25 11:09:15 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:09:15 -0500 Subject: OFF: Gov't Mule In-Reply-To: <63A955F33941D111A68800805F3198E15A45EC@ws30989.mcit.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: =>What? No "Don't Step on The Grass Sam" Dude, is this a general commercial =>release? Do you know if Sam is on the limited set? Yes, and yes (but the answer is no:). For those interested, here is the complete setlist from that show: 12/31/98 The Roxy, Atlanta GA 1st Set: Wandering Child Thorazine Shuffle Suffer Dolphineus War Pigs (+) 2nd Set: 30 Days In The Hole (1) Mr. Big > Never In My Life riff > Mr. Big (2) The Hunter (3) Gambler's Roll (4) Yonder Wall (5) 32-20 Blues (5) I Shall Return (5) Duet (6)> Soulshine (7) Mule > I've Been Workin' > Mule (8) Spanish Moon (9) Sad & Deep As You (10) 3rd Stone From The Sun (11) Devil Likes It Slow > Schoolgirl tease > Devil Likes It Slow (12) Cortez The Killer (13) --Encore-- Afro Blue (14) 1 w/Marc Ford on guitar & vocals 2 w/Marc Ford on guitar 3 w/Marc Ford on guitar & Chuck Leavell on keyboards 4 w/Chuck Leavell on keyboards 5 w/Chuck Leavell on keyboards & Derek Trucks on guitar 6 Bernie Worrell on Hammond & Chuck Leavell on Rhodes piano 7 w/Bernie Worrell & Chuck Leavell on keyboards & Derek Trucks on guitar 8 w/Bernie Worrell on keyboards 9 w/Bernie Worrell & Chuck Leavell on keyboards, Randall Bramlett on sax & Yonrico Scott on percussion 10 w/Chuck Leavell on keyboards & Randall Bramlett on sax 11 w/Jimmy Herring on guitar, Randall Bramlett on sax & Bernie Worrell on keyboards 12 w/Jimmy Herring on guitar & Bernie Worrell on keyboards 13 w/Marc Ford on guitar & vocals & Bernie Worrell on keyboards 14 w/Jimmy Herring & Derek Trucks on guitar, Randall Bramlett on sax, Bernie Worrell on keyboards & Yonrico Scott on percussion + 1st time played So, as you can see, 'Sam will not be on the limited set. In fact, I was just about to say that 'Sam hasn't been appearing much in the setlists for quite a while when they go and play it at the Irving Plaza gig last night. It's mean and evil, wicked and nasty... Cheers, Paul. NP: Gov't Mule, _Live... With a Little Help From Our Friends_ PS: Don't forget the upcoming new Gov't Mule *studio* release, either. Some songs were left off the latest live set on purpose, so they could make their official debut on the new studio release. From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Thu Mar 25 11:05:42 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:05:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet question Message-ID: Since you all are extremely good at helping me spend my money, here is my new question. I have been hearing "Space Lord" a lot on the local station (and liking it), so I have decided to ad some to my collection; which album(s) should I pick up by them? Thanks. P.S> Dungeons are Calling, Three of a Perfect Pair, and Quark, Strangeness, and Charm are on their way from Music Blvd - can't wait. From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Thu Mar 25 11:15:03 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:15:03 -0800 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album... Message-ID: "Sufficiently Breathless" by Captain Beyond Great stuff! JB From bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Mar 25 11:16:00 1999 From: bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:16:00 PST Subject: OFF: That one obscure album.../faves in general Message-ID: >From: Joseph Brooks >I'm not a big Hawkwind fan either but they have been around for quite a >while as well.. (late 70's? Help me out here, Hawk people..) Late '60s, actually. >Finally, both bands attract fans that on average, I believe, are somewhat >more intelligent than your average (insert boring, MTV band here) fan and so >tend to listen to a wider variety rather than get stuck on a single band or >genre. I used to agree with this, but I've found that so-called intelligent people listen to all kinds of music. Even boring MTV bands. And many of them believe that more intelligent people listen to *their* bands than to other genres ("unmusical" rap, "pompous" prog, "juvenile" top 40, "sexist" heavy metal...) I think the reason so many of us have a wide variety of tastes is because we're *music* lovers. Some people only listen to one genre because that's all they care to listen to. They feel they have better things to do than explore obscure music. They may wonder why so many people watch Hollywood movies instead of "superior" independent films. Music is one of our main interests/hobbies so we're constantly searching for great tunes no matter where they're from. Brian obCD>The Olivia Tremor Control: "Black Foliage" Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Mar 25 11:16:45 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:16:45 EST Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip Message-ID: In a message dated 3/25/99 4:17:02 AM, nick at THECAMPUS.COM writes: <> dunno how much airplay it could possibly get but anyone else here hear "it's dark and hell is hot?" by DMX? a co-worker obliged me to hear it--at a cranktified volume level--one day last fall...multiplatinum lp and the guy cant go half a sentence w/o variations on "f*ck" and "the n-word".... y'know, i did in fact have a "rap phase" about 10-15 years ago (he said, ducking and covering) but this was just a shitstorm...couldnt hardly believe it; if it IS getting airplay it's been censored into a swiss-cheese like state. and then the guy's next lp debuts on the top of the charts. lb From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Mar 25 11:17:54 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 16:17:54 +0000 Subject: ON (Calvert) & OFF (Robin Trower) In-Reply-To: <36FA68F2.497669A1@as.arizona.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, Julian Christou wrote: > Now the Calvert years are my favourite of all the HW incarnations. A > few weeks ago I asked the group in "Tales from Atomhenge" and "PXR5" are > still available on CD? Still waiting for a kind soul out there to > reply. Well, lacking anyone else... As far as I know the CD rights are still owned by Virgin, and they last ran a print run in 1989 and deleted them. 'P.X.R.5' at least was bought up by EBS but the scheduled reissue never made it out of the stable before EBS hit its current heavy weather (anyone know what's going on there?). ToA is still around second-hand in some places, but I personally don't know any of them. Yours, Jon -- /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | =====================================================================| | "Probability level 1 to 1. We have normality, I repeat, we have | | normality. Anything you still can't deal with is therefore your own | \_________________________ problem." ______________________________/ \_____________/ From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Mar 25 11:21:06 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:21:06 EST Subject: OFF: 10 MOST HATED Message-ID: In a message dated 3/25/99 8:52:30 AM, xl5 at IINET.NET.AU writes: <> "(i cant get no) SATISFACTION" <<-- THE RESIDENTS '76 From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Thu Mar 25 11:24:08 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:24:08 -0800 Subject: King's X and Ninny Bomb Countdown Message-ID: My funds are not in bad shape but, I've learned caution so will start with just 1 or 2, perhaps a best of and one of the others you mentioned. On a side note, I usually avoid "best of" albums because I find that I don't necessarily agree with their idea of whats best from any given band. Most of the times, it seems that "best of" really means, "songs that actually got airplay". JB > JB: When shopping for KX, if funds are limited get the Best > of. Most songs > I mentioned are on it. If funds are medium go old/mid/now. > S/T, Dogman and > either Ear Candy or Tapehead. If funds unlimited get 'em all. From tclark at PETRONET.NET Thu Mar 25 11:24:01 1999 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:24:01 -0600 Subject: OFF: Steve's Box Message-ID: Here are a couple of submissions..: The Fugs - Live at the Filmore - Their second album. Outrageous for it's time..still holds up well....great for late night parties to throw off the guests....."Slum Goddess from the Lower East Side" is a hilarious... Col. Bruce Hampton and the Aquarium Rescue Unit - Mirrors of Embarrassment. Warped lyrics...good production....jazz/blues jams with Bela Fleck guesting...The first time I heard this one, it made my top 5 CD lisetning list before I burned out listening to it after about 100 times.... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: tclark.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 199 bytes Desc: Card for Tom Clark URL: From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Mar 25 10:26:47 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:26:47 EDT Subject: OFF: That one obscure album.../faves in general In-Reply-To: <19990325161601.18368.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > From: Brian Halligan . Music is one of our main > interests/hobbies so we're constantly searching for great tunes no > matter where they're from. > > Brian Speaking of superior music, are you going to the Letchworth gig? Any idea where this place is, how much for tix, opening acts? theo From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Thu Mar 25 11:34:14 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:34:14 -0800 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album.../faves in general Message-ID: > >I'm not a big Hawkwind fan either but they have been around > for quite a > >while as well.. (late 70's? Help me out here, Hawk people..) > > Late '60s, actually. Wow, I had no idea.. > I used to agree with this, but I've found that so-called intelligent > people listen to all kinds of music. Even boring MTV bands. And many > of them believe that more intelligent people listen to *their* bands > than to other genres ("unmusical" rap, "pompous" prog, "juvenile" top > 40, "sexist" heavy metal...) I think the reason so many of us have a > wide variety of tastes is because we're *music* lovers. Some people > only listen to one genre because that's all they care to listen to. > They feel they have better things to do than explore obscure music. > They may wonder why so many people watch Hollywood movies instead of > "superior" independent films. Music is one of our main > interests/hobbies so we're constantly searching for great tunes no > matter where they're from. I'll buy that. My statement was a generalization to be sure. I know of plenty people who I would deem "intelligent" who like horrible (IMO) music. Maturity is also a factor. Musical taste is not an indication of intelligence but I still think that in general, my statement holds true. Go to an "unmusical rap" newsgroup or list (if such a thing exists) and read the posts there. I'd wager that you'd see what I mean. BTW, I can't stand most "independent" films and definitely don't consider them to be "superior". :) JB From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 25 11:38:47 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 16:38:47 +0000 Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip Message-ID: On tor 25 mar 1999 11.16 +0000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > i did in fact have a "rap phase" about 10-15 years ago (he said, > ducking and covering) Well, there goes your street cred ;) But, in fact, I remember someone on this list once admitted to being an Iced-T fan. Not you, Steve, was it? ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Mar 25 11:38:58 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:38:58 EST Subject: OFF: the origins of "Alt" (post-paleolithic) Message-ID: In a message dated 3/23/99 9:12:23 PM, Chuckrecs at AOL.COM writes: << Oh, and I'm sure there are at least a hundred people on this list who hate Zappa and think he's a creep, but maybe we won't have a war about it... :) Chuck>> well, 99 people maybe, but... lb "let's have a war/so you can all die" FEAR From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Mar 25 11:46:53 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:46:53 EST Subject: OFF: 10 most loved Message-ID: In a message dated 3/24/99 5:58:01 AM, cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK writes: <<> * Fairport Convention/Sandy Denny/Richard Thompson (amazing that two fine > songwriters, one with a gorgeous voice, and one brilliant guitarist, could > wind up in the same band) Ah, a big fan of this lot, I am! :) >> y yo tambien; the denny/thompson lineup anyway....i'd mention ian matthews but i think he'd left before denny showed up... lb From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 25 11:50:04 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 16:50:04 +0000 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet question Message-ID: On tor 25 mar 1999 11.05 -0500 "Hall, Russell J" wrote: > I have been hearing "Space Lord" a lot on the local station (and liking it), > so I have decided to ad some to my collection; which album(s) should I pick > up by them? There are only four, and I like them all. There is a definite progression in level of production and commercial appeal from earliest to latest. _Spine of God_ is sludgely lo-budget stuff of undisputed class, hailed by many as a landmark album. _Superjudge_ has perhaps more focused and riff-driven songs, with the more-HW-than-HW "Dinosaur Vacumn", a cover of "Brainstorm", and a cover of "Evil is Going On" (ripped off from the Cactus arrangement, I believe). _Dopes to Infinity_ brought them to the edge of commercial success and as markedly slicker production. I love it, a lot of old-timers felt they were selling out :) This trend continues with _Powertrip_, which has definitely brought commericial success. There is also an old album or mini-album on the Glitterhouse label, I think, as well as a "hyper-EP" nigh unto album length called _25 ... Tab_, which features a epic-length one-riff track drenched in every-kind of ridiculous effect. Awesome :) If you like "Space Lord", then getting _Powertrip_ would make sense! If you like it, _Dopes_ will be similar in many ways. My favorite "compromise" MM album is _Superjudge_, which I think is more consistent than _Spine_ but retains that underground vibe for those as want it. Though _Spine_ has top-notch tracks like "Spine of God" itself and the cover of "Sin's a Good Man's Brother". -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Mar 25 10:51:23 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:51:23 EDT Subject: BOC: Meltzer's POreView In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990320134915.0069b120@mail1.wizvax.net> Message-ID: [snipage of Meltzer's review of Roseland] I think someone mentioned this already, but since I had 1200 emails waiting on my vacation return, I deleted a lot of great stuff... Anyway, I see RM's review of the BOC gig to be aking to HS Thompson's gonzo journalism: he doesn't nec. tell the truth! Little pieces of truth will be in there, you just have to figure it out yourself. I see no reason to take offense at what RM writes, if we operate on the assumption that he's doing it to get a reaction, or that he's presenting a kind of postmodern approach to a concert review. In other words, the truth isn't as important as his impression of it. And while I'm as die-hard a BOC fan as John, I can't seem to be bothered by what RM writes. In fact I kind of like it. As for his implications that ALLen is in rehab, or that BD is divorcing, we need to understand that he doesn't have any inside knowledge of the band anymore to inform such an opinion, and that it's merely a statement. Kind of like when Thompson says that Edmund Muskie was taking adrenachrome during the '72 election campaign! He would have no way of backing up such an outrageous statement, and he knew full well that Muskie couldn't be bothered suing him over it. If BOC tried suing RM, he'd simply say that he'd heard rumors to the effect, etc. Like HST, RM's writing itself is more important than the veracity of his comments... theo From bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Mar 25 12:04:27 1999 From: bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:04:27 PST Subject: OFF: That one obscure album.../faves in general Message-ID: Joseph Brooks said: >I'll buy that. My statement was a generalization to be sure. I know of >plenty people who I would deem "intelligent" who like horrible (IMO) music. >Maturity is also a factor. Definately! A lot of the music I listen to today I would have hated when I was 18 (just 6 years ago...) >Musical taste is not an indication of >intelligence but I still think that in general, my statement holds true. Fair enough. I do notice that there are plenty of folks with lots of booklearnin' (insert hillbilly accent) on the list. >BTW, I can't stand most "independent" films and definitely don't consider >them to be "superior". :) That's exactly why I put it in quotes. :-) Brian Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Mar 25 12:09:26 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:09:26 EST Subject: OFF: 10 most loved Message-ID: ....have seen some intriguing list-type thangs here of late; am not very good at these lists but here's my favorite audio acquisitions of '98; after the top few they're not in order>>>>>>>>> 1. ZAPPA/MOTHERS demos/original takes/alt mixes from "we're only in it for the money" which by the way is my single all time favorite album. 2. ELECTRIC PRUNES "stockholm '67" luv dem prunes.... 3. MAN W/JOHN CIPPOLINA assorted gigs and rehearsals, all from 3/75 4. VOIVOD "phobos" 5. BENNY GOODMAN "greatest hits" what a palate-cleansing cool drink in the shade this stuff is... 6. KING TUBBY AND FRIENDS "dub gone crazy etc 1975-79" 7. ZAPPA selected shows from the '84 and '88 tours 8. D-DAY ACETATE AIRCHECKS CBS and NBC radio coverage of the opening hours/earliest reports of the normandy invasion 9. HAWKWIND strange daze '97 board tape the token hawkwind appearance; i liked this MUCH more than i xpected to. >>>>>so does this xplain anything? (grin)<<<<< maybe i'll think of more stuff later... pursuant to the 8th listing, last week i got some genuine axis radio propaganda; axis sally/paul revere/lord haw haw/tokyo rose.....now THIS is some spooky shit, lemme tell ya... larry b From bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Mar 25 12:16:04 1999 From: bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:16:04 PST Subject: BOC: Letchworth Pines show Message-ID: Here's the info on the April 10th BOC show: BOC Firehouse Trolls doors open at 7 Trolls scheduled to start at 9 Tix: $22 in advance or $25 at the door Tix can be ordered by phone from Letchworth Pines at 1-888-94 PINES if ordered a week in advance they will be mailed to you, otherwise they'll be held at the door. There's a map and other info at http://www.letchworthpines.com/ And yes, I'll be there. Brian Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Mar 25 12:31:14 1999 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 01:31:14 +0800 Subject: OFF: 10 most loved In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > <<> * Fairport Convention/Sandy Denny/Richard Thompson (amazing > that two fine > > songwriters, one with a gorgeous voice, and one brilliant > guitarist, could > > wind up in the same band) > > Ah, a big fan of this lot, I am! :) > >> > > y yo tambien; the denny/thompson lineup anyway....i'd mention > ian matthews > but i think he'd left before denny showed up... > Wasn't he not on 'What We Did On Our Holidays', which also has Sandy Denny? William From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 25 12:23:35 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:23:35 GMT Subject: ON (Calvert) & OFF (Robin Trower) In-Reply-To: Julian Christou's message of Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:48:50 -0700 Message-ID: > I first got into HW in the pre-Lemmy days with "ISOS" and as their sound > changed in the 70's, I lost interest in them as they were losing their > roots or so I naively thought. It wasn't 'til about 1978 that I > belatedly discovered the Charisma albums. What hooked me was Calvert's > word play on the Hawklords album, especially on Psi-Power and Flying > Doctor (now there's an FCC-band drug refernce song). I really liked the > refernce to the old radio drama series I heard as a child updated and > nicely paradied by Calvert. Damnation Alley is also one of my faves - > "Phoenix is fried up" - what a great line if you've ever been there! > And of course there's the beatiful "QS&C" which appeals to us nerdy > scientists. How many have spotted the factual errors in that song? QUARK, STRANGENESS AND CHARM ( - Brock - Calvert - ) >Einstein was not a handsome fellow >Nobody ever called him Al >He had a long moustache to pull on >It was yellow >I don't believe he ever had a girl Einstein was married. >One thing he missed out in his theory >of time, space and relativity >Is something that makes it very clear >He was never gonna score like you'n'me >He didn't know about Quark, Strangeness and Charm Well he knew about quantum mechanics but believed it wrong, famously quoting "God does not play dice with the universe" and positing what's now known as the Einstein/Rosen/Podolsky thought experiment showing that there'd need to be a beakdown in either causality or locality for quantum mechanics to be consistent. In 1954 Bell showed that spin-paired particles could in fact apparently pass information at greater than the speed of light and therefore either causality or locality has to go. >I had a dangerous liason >To have been found out would've been a disgrace >We had to rendezvous some days on >The corner of an undiscovered place >We got sick of chat chat chatter and the >look upon everybody's face >But all that does not anti-matter now >We've found ourselves a black hole in space >And we're talking about Quark, Strangeness and Charm >Copernicus had those Renaissance ladies >Crazy about his telescope >And Galileo had a name that made his >reputation higher than his hopes >Did none of those astronomers discover >While they were staring out into the dark >That what a lady looks for in her lover >is Charm, Strangeness and Quark. Whereas I believe physicists are still looking for a naked bottom quark. FoFP From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Thu Mar 25 12:26:55 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:26:55 -0500 Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip In-Reply-To: <9b9cda9c.36fa616d@aol.com> from "DASLUD@AOL.COM" at Mar 25, 99 11:16:45 am Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: > > In a message dated 3/25/99 4:17:02 AM, nick at THECAMPUS.COM writes: > > < they'll allow and what they won't. Listen closely to your radio > >> > > dunno how much airplay it could possibly get but anyone else here hear "it's > dark and hell is hot?" by DMX? a co-worker obliged me to hear it--at a I was in the SF Bay area a couple of weeks ago, and a radio station out there (I forget the name, but they broadcast out of San Jose, and have something like 3 separate frequencies broadcasting the same signal) was playing the uncensored version of "Aenema". I give that station 2 thumbs up. ;-) Down here in this hopeless fucking hole we call LA The only way to fix it is to flush it all away Any fucking time, any fucking day, Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona bay. Steve swann at plutonia.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Mar 25 12:30:09 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:30:09 EST Subject: OFF: 10 most loved Message-ID: In a message dated 3/25/99 12:19:56 PM, xl5 at IINET.NET.AU writes: <> is that the bbc comp? guess yr. right then>> lb From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Thu Mar 25 12:36:20 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:36:20 -0500 Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip In-Reply-To: <6701750.3131368727@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> from "Carl Edlund Anderson" at Mar 25, 99 04:38:47 pm Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > > On tor 25 mar 1999 11.16 +0000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > > i did in fact have a "rap phase" about 10-15 years ago (he said, > > ducking and covering) > > Well, there goes your street cred ;) > > But, in fact, I remember someone on this list once admitted > to being an Iced-T fan. Not you, Steve, was it? ;) I'm not a "fan" of rap. I happen to like some stuff by Ice-T (although I prefered the heavy metal album he did with his band Body Count). I've also heard some stuff by Rage Against the Machine that I liked (even if they are millionaire Hahvahd-graduate poseurs). ;-) And I've liked a few of the rap/metal blendings of bands like Faith No More... In general, I don't like music "by genre", and more and more often, I'm finding that I don't even like it "by group". I tend to like songs (sometimes albums) on an individual basis. Steve swann at plutonia.com From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Thu Mar 25 12:36:57 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:36:57 -0500 Subject: OFF: the origins of "Alt" (post-paleolithic) In-Reply-To: from "DASLUD@AOL.COM" at Mar 25, 99 11:38:58 am Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: > > In a message dated 3/23/99 9:12:23 PM, Chuckrecs at AOL.COM writes: > > << Oh, and I'm > sure there are at least a hundred people on this list who hate Zappa and think > he's a creep, but maybe we won't have a war about it... :) Chuck>> > > well, 99 people maybe, but... > lb > > > "let's have a war/so you can all die" > FEAR It can start in New Jersey! Steve swann at plutonia.com From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Mar 25 12:57:58 1999 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 01:57:58 +0800 Subject: OFF: 10 most loved In-Reply-To: <98b771b4.36fa72a1@aol.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of DASLUD at AOL.COM > Sent: Friday, 26 March 1999 1:30 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: OFF: 10 most loved > > > In a message dated 3/25/99 12:19:56 PM, xl5 at IINET.NET.AU writes: > > < > >> > > is that the bbc comp? guess yr. right then>> > It's the first proper album they did with Sandy Denny. The BBC one, which he is also on, is called Heyday. William From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Thu Mar 25 12:49:18 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:49:18 -0500 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet question In-Reply-To: <6742474.3131369404@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> from "Carl Edlund Anderson" at Mar 25, 99 04:50:04 pm Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > > There are only four, and I like them all. There is a > definite progression in level of production and commercial > appeal from earliest to latest. _Spine of God_ is sludgely > lo-budget stuff of undisputed class, hailed by many as a > landmark album. _Superjudge_ has perhaps more focused and > riff-driven songs, with the more-HW-than-HW "Dinosaur Vacumn", > a cover of "Brainstorm", and a cover of "Evil is Going On" > (ripped off from the Cactus arrangement, I believe). _Dopes > to Infinity_ brought them to the edge of commercial success > and as markedly slicker production. I love it, a lot of > old-timers felt they were selling out :) This trend continues > with _Powertrip_, which has definitely brought commericial > success. Ok, as one of the "old-timers" (having been into Monster Magnet for probably a whole 3 years at the time that Dopes came out) ;-) let's get one thing clear about _Dopes_. I didn't dislike it because I felt that they were selling out. I disliked it because because the songs didn't move me. At all. Cyclops Revolution, Pill Shovel, Dinosaur Vacuum, Nod Scene, these songs all set my world on fire. While listening to any of these tunes, I am compelled by invisible forces to turn my stereo up to life-treatening volumes. I feel the urge to jump around the room, and see how much of the furniture I can break. I play air-guitar like a 9-yr old. _Dopes_ has none of this effect. It's mid-tempo, got some a nice guitar flanging space-rock sound to it, but overall it just bores me. However, if the guy likes Space Lord, then he stands a pretty good chance of liking Dopes, because Dopes and the current album were cut from the same cloth. Steve swann at plutonia.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Mar 25 12:52:48 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:52:48 -0800 Subject: BOC: Meltzer's POreView Message-ID: I think Ted hits the nail on the head here! Dammit, we need MORE rockcrits like Meltzer - not a bunch of straightlaced old men like Marsh, Cristgau or Marcus who would rather be writing political analysis for the Village Voice. Rock and Roll music SHOULD be written about and criticized by the kind of guy who would show up drunk to his friend's wedding, insult (or make a pass at) the bride, throw bottles, and generally cause an unpleasant scene. 'Cause that's what Rock and Roll is about! It ain't about the French Situationists, or Chinese oppression in Tibet, or identity liberation politics ... it's about getting loaded and having a good time! Where's Lester Bangs when you need him? -Doug ceres at sirius.com On Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:51:23 EDT, "Ted Jackson jr. s2h2" wrote: >[snipage of Meltzer's review of Roseland] > >Anyway, I see RM's review of the BOC gig to be aking to HS Thompson's >gonzo journalism: he doesn't nec. tell the truth! Little pieces of >truth will be in there, you just have to figure it out yourself. I >see no reason to take offense at what RM writes, if we operate on the >assumption that he's doing it to get a reaction, or that he's >presenting a kind of postmodern approach to a concert review. >In other words, the truth isn't as important as his impression of it. From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Thu Mar 25 12:56:13 1999 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:56:13 +0100 Subject: HW: At last - some NEWS! Message-ID: I received Brian Tawn?s new Hawkwind feedback today. Here are in short the news: - No tour dates yet, but the outline is for a few gigs in May, some festivals in the spring & summer, a gig at the Star Trek Convention on June 5th at Burton Upon Trent. Tours of the US of A and Japan (!) in September and the UK in October. - The Ledge Of Darkness project moves on and HW are getting some tracks together. Dave hasn?t done only a just a holiday in the States for a month but he visited Lemmy and Mike Moorcock, both of whom will play a part in it if everything falls into place. - HW are supposed to do the soundtrack for the next series of Babylon 5. - New albums: DAWN OF HAWKWIND with unreleased versions of _Come on_, _My baby?s gone_, Dealing with the devil_, _Roll `em Pete_, _ Bring it on home_, _Illusions_, _Get yourself together_, _What?s the matter_, _Bottle up_, _Diamond ring_, _Hurry on sundown_, _Cymbaline_, _MotU_. All pre HW Dave Brock and early HW tracks, to be released in April. BASS RITUAL - THE ORIGINAL MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE, another dance remixes CD. - Dave told Brian that someone is working on various HW videos, incl. stuff from the 80`s and that the Acid Daze festival at Leeds (?88) will be released on video. - Dave is working on CD?s of the Sonic Assassins gig in ?77 and of HW at Glastonbury 1990 and if anyone can help out with photos from those gigs, or a Sonic Assassins gig poster, Dave would be delighted. There are more news on HW related bands and already released HW CD?s, but then again no real news to us! Andreas From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Mar 25 12:15:20 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 13:15:20 EDT Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip In-Reply-To: <199903251736.MAA08376@imperatrix.plutonia.com> Message-ID: >> From: Stephen Swann > Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > > > > On tor 25 mar 1999 11.16 +0000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > > > i did in fact have a "rap phase" about 10-15 years ago (he said, > > > ducking and covering) > > > > Well, there goes your street cred ;) > > > > But, in fact, I remember someone on this list once admitted > > to being an Iced-T fan. Not you, Steve, was it? ;) > > I'm not a "fan" of rap. I happen to like some stuff by Ice-T > (although I prefered the heavy metal album he did with his band Body > Count). I've also heard some stuff by Rage Against the Machine that I > liked (even if they are millionaire Hahvahd-graduate poseurs). ;-) > And I've liked a few of the rap/metal blendings of bands like > Faith No More... > > In general, I don't like music "by genre", and more and more often, > I'm finding that I don't even like it "by group". I tend to like > songs (sometimes albums) on an individual basis. Reminds me of the opinion of Richard Thompson [recently discussed here...And, BTW, why aren't you guys on the RT list?] when they asked him what he thought of rap. He said [paraphrased] that if there had only been one rap record, that it would have been astoundingly brilliant, but that everyone else seemed to be copying the first attempts. Personally, this old dino digs rap--in small doses, and when the singers are actually talking about something substantial--kind of the same attitude I have toward rock. The 'let's get drunk and bang in my limo' shit doesn't do it for me [unless it's by Monster Magnet, of course] but the 'political' rap is great. Also, I'm more drawn to rap that actually has some instrumentation in it rather than the scratching stuff... theo From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 25 13:19:55 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:19:55 +0000 Subject: OFF: 10 most loved Message-ID: On tor 25 mar 1999 11.46 +0000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 3/24/99 5:58:01 AM, cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK writes: >> Ah, a big fan of this lot [Fairport Convention/Sandy Denny/Richard >> Thompson], I am! :) > > y yo tambien; the denny/thompson lineup anyway....i'd mention ian matthews > but i think he'd left before denny showed up... No, Matthews and Denny were both on the second and third Fairport albums. However, I quite like a number of the post-Denny and post-Thompson line-ups. In fact my fave is probably the -Denny +Thompson 1970 (_Full House_ and _House Full_) line-up. And I'm not terribly fond of the +Denny -Thompson mid-70s line-up (particularly _Rising for the Moon_ :P ) But I could go on about this at length, but shan't :) (Tania runs the Fairport web pages--when her old ISP died, fans coughed up a new home for those, but the tBS pages went homeless and died, though she hopes to bring them back when she has a chance). Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Mar 25 12:18:31 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 13:18:31 EDT Subject: BOC: Letchworth Pines show In-Reply-To: <19990325171604.41609.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > From: Brian Halligan > > BOC > Firehouse > Trolls > > doors open at 7 > Trolls scheduled to start at 9 > > Tix: $22 in advance or $25 at the door > Tix can be ordered by phone from Letchworth Pines at 1-888-94 PINES > if ordered a week in advance they will be mailed to you, otherwise > they'll be held at the door. > > There's a map and other info at http://www.letchworthpines.com/ > > And yes, I'll be there. > Brian Brian, thanks a bunch, and yes, I'll be there too! rock on... theo From christou at AS.ARIZONA.EDU Thu Mar 25 14:08:15 1999 From: christou at AS.ARIZONA.EDU (Julian Christou) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:08:15 -0700 Subject: HW: QSM Lyrics Message-ID: > > Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:23:35 GMT > From: M Holmes > Subject: Re: ON (Calvert) & OFF (Robin Trower) > > And of course there's the beatiful "QS&C" which appeals to us nerdy > > scientists. How many have spotted the factual errors in that song? > > >Copernicus had those Renaissance ladies > >Crazy about his telescope > >And Galileo had a name that made his > >reputation higher than his hopes > >Did none of those astronomers discover > >While they were staring out into the dark > >That what a lady looks for in her lover > >is Charm, Strangeness and Quark. > FoFP And what's missing is that Copernicus did not even use a telescope. It hadn't as yet been invented until Galileo cama along.! Julian From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 25 13:28:31 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:28:31 +0000 Subject: OFF: 10 most loved Message-ID: On tor 25 mar 1999 12.30 +0000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 3/25/99 12:19:56 PM, xl5 at IINET.NET.AU writes: >> Was he not on 'What We Did On Our Holidays', which also has Sandy Denny? > > is that the bbc comp? guess yr. right then Mathews and Denny were both in the band for _What We Did On Our Holidays_ *and* _Unhalfbricking_, *and* the BBC compilation _Heyday_ :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 25 13:30:25 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:30:25 +0000 Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip Message-ID: On tor 25 mar 1999 12.36 -0500 "Stephen Swann" wrote: >> But, in fact, I remember someone on this list once admitted >> to being an Iced-T fan. Not you, Steve, was it? ;) > > I'm not a "fan" of rap. I happen to like some stuff by Ice-T > (although I prefered the heavy metal album he did with his band Body > Count). Ah, but now I remember the confession wasn't actually about Ice-T ... it was someone with far less street cred :) Can't remember his name, but one of those cheezy white-boy rappers that used to inhabit MTV ... -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 25 13:32:26 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:32:26 +0000 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet question Message-ID: On tor 25 mar 1999 12.49 -0500 "Stephen Swann" wrote: > _Dopes_ has none of this effect. > It's mid-tempo, got some a nice guitar flanging space-rock sound to > it, but overall it just bores me. And, yet, I agree with Steve about _Live Chronicles_. What a wonderful place the world is :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 25 13:33:48 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:33:48 +0000 Subject: HW: At last - some NEWS! Message-ID: > - HW are supposed to do the soundtrack for the next series of Babylon 5. Dude, you have *got* to be kidding me! That's just too far out. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 25 13:36:52 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:36:52 +0000 Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip Message-ID: On tor 25 mar 1999 13.15 +0000 "Ted Jackson jr. s2h2" wrote: > And, BTW, why aren't you guys on the RT list? I _was_ an original member of the RT list and the Fairport list. However, I ran out of time to keep up with both (and the Fairport list really went downhill after a while!). I've a good friend in Cambridge who's on the RT list, and every once in a while we get together, drink beer, listen to music, and I find out all the RT news :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Mar 25 14:03:59 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 14:03:59 -0500 Subject: HW: At last - some NEWS! Message-ID: >- HW are supposed to do the soundtrack for the next series of Babylon 5. Hmmm? some guy named Chen was doing music for Babylon 5 Crusade, 'till it got cancelled. His music on B5: A call to arms was a subject of much debate (many thought it was nowhere near the quality of Franke's work). I've heard nothing about Hawkwind in any of the B5 forums/newsletters/etc.> ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Mar 25 14:22:18 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:22:18 EDT Subject: OFF: 10 most loved In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > In a message dated 3/24/99 5:58:01 AM, cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK writes: > > <<> * Fairport Convention/Sandy Denny/Richard Thompson (amazing that two fine > > songwriters, one with a gorgeous voice, and one brilliant guitarist, could > > wind up in the same band) > sounds kinda like two-thirds of a certain band from Canada... theo From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Mar 25 16:01:36 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 16:01:36 -0500 Subject: HW: At last - some NEWS! Message-ID: Andreas sayz... >I received Brian Tawn?s new Hawkwind feedback today. Here are in short the >news: > >- No tour dates yet, but the outline is for a few gigs in May, some festivals > in the spring & summer, a gig at the Star Trek Convention on June 5th at > Burton Upon Trent. That reminds me...anything come about from the idea of linking up HW with a sci-fi convention or fan-only gig?? > The Ledge Of Darkness project moves on and HW are getting some tracks > together. > Dave hasn?t done only a just a holiday in the States for a month but he > visited Lemmy and Mike Moorcock, both of whom will play a part in it if > everything falls into place. Cool...I heard that Dave visited Lemmy out west with Jim L. and Shawn Ahearn. I hope that means Lemmy will guest with the band, although perhaps it'll only be in the west. (?) Are MH touring to promote the new dbl live disc? >- HW are supposed to do the soundtrack for the next series of Babylon 5. !! Really? What constitutes a 'series' for B5...a whole year? I thought the show was over? But then I haven't seen it since it went on cable. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Saw this on Amazon.com: >Customers who bought titles by Hawkwind also bought titles by this artist: > Alanis Morissette AWRIGHT!! Who was it??? Fess up!! (It's your fault, Swann, I bet!) Keith H. (FAA) P.S. Actually, I recently caught part of a performance of Alanis on SNL, and the music was pretty decent. Dark, psychedelic sort of thing...but anytime she opened her mouth, this 'hideous cackling cacophony' sprang forth. (That has to be a 'Dr. Smith-ism' eh?) Too bad. From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Mar 25 16:21:06 1999 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (The Automind) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 13:21:06 PST Subject: ON (Calvert) & OFF (Robin Trower) Message-ID: >From: M Holmes >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Subject: Re: ON (Calvert) & OFF (Robin Trower) >Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:23:35 GMT > >> I first got into HW in the pre-Lemmy days with "ISOS" and as their sound >> changed in the 70's, I lost interest in them as they were losing their >> roots or so I naively thought. It wasn't 'til about 1978 that I >> belatedly discovered the Charisma albums. What hooked me was Calvert's >> word play on the Hawklords album, especially on Psi-Power and Flying >> Doctor (now there's an FCC-band drug refernce song). I really liked the >> refernce to the old radio drama series I heard as a child updated and >> nicely paradied by Calvert. Damnation Alley is also one of my faves - >> "Phoenix is fried up" - what a great line if you've ever been there! >> And of course there's the beatiful "QS&C" which appeals to us nerdy >> scientists. How many have spotted the factual errors in that song? > >QUARK, STRANGENESS AND CHARM >( - Brock - Calvert - ) >>Einstein was not a handsome fellow >>Nobody ever called him Al >>He had a long moustache to pull on >>It was yellow >>I don't believe he ever had a girl > >Einstein was married. > >>One thing he missed out in his theory >>of time, space and relativity >>Is something that makes it very clear >>He was never gonna score like you'n'me >>He didn't know about Quark, Strangeness and Charm > >Well he knew about quantum mechanics but believed it wrong, famously >quoting "God does not play dice with the universe" and positing what's >now known as the Einstein/Rosen/Podolsky thought experiment showing that >there'd need to be a beakdown in either causality or locality for >quantum mechanics to be consistent. In 1954 Bell showed that spin-paired >particles could in fact apparently pass information at greater than the >speed of light and therefore either causality or locality has to go. Heisenberg was a bastard!!! Some one pointed out somewhere that the telescope did not exist in Copernicus' time, and Galileo was responsible for its invention. What a great song! Speaking of which, where are the Charisma albums available now? I've unfortunately lost my QS&C CD!! The album shows up in stock at places like CDnow, but i dont see how to distinguish the original album from the single w/ Uncle Sam's on Mars, since they dont show the release year or list any of the tracks. Was the album published by Griffin or anyone else as well? Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Mar 25 16:23:29 1999 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (The Automind) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 13:23:29 PST Subject: ON (Calvert) & OFF (Robin Trower) Message-ID: >From: M Holmes >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Subject: Re: ON (Calvert) & OFF (Robin Trower) >Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:23:35 GMT > >> I first got into HW in the pre-Lemmy days with "ISOS" and as their sound >> changed in the 70's, I lost interest in them as they were losing their >> roots or so I naively thought. It wasn't 'til about 1978 that I >> belatedly discovered the Charisma albums. What hooked me was Calvert's >> word play on the Hawklords album, especially on Psi-Power and Flying >> Doctor (now there's an FCC-band drug refernce song). I really liked the >> refernce to the old radio drama series I heard as a child updated and >> nicely paradied by Calvert. Damnation Alley is also one of my faves - >> "Phoenix is fried up" - what a great line if you've ever been there! >> And of course there's the beatiful "QS&C" which appeals to us nerdy >> scientists. How many have spotted the factual errors in that song? > >QUARK, STRANGENESS AND CHARM >( - Brock - Calvert - ) >>Einstein was not a handsome fellow >>Nobody ever called him Al >>He had a long moustache to pull on >>It was yellow >>I don't believe he ever had a girl > >Einstein was married. > >>One thing he missed out in his theory >>of time, space and relativity >>Is something that makes it very clear >>He was never gonna score like you'n'me >>He didn't know about Quark, Strangeness and Charm > >Well he knew about quantum mechanics but believed it wrong, famously >quoting "God does not play dice with the universe" and positing what's >now known as the Einstein/Rosen/Podolsky thought experiment showing that >there'd need to be a beakdown in either causality or locality for >quantum mechanics to be consistent. In 1954 Bell showed that spin-paired >particles could in fact apparently pass information at greater than the >speed of light and therefore either causality or locality has to go. Heisenberg was a bastard!!! Up determinism!!! Some one pointed out somewhere that the telescope did not exist in Copernicus' time, and Galileo was responsible for its invention. What a great song! Speaking of which, where are the Charisma albums available now? I've unfortunately lost my QS&C CD!! The album shows up in stock at places like CDnow, but i dont see how to distinguish the original album from the single w/ Uncle Sam's on Mars, since they dont show the release year or list any of the tracks. Was the album published by Griffin or anyone else as well? Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Mar 25 17:25:02 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 16:25:02 -0600 Subject: OFF: Gov't Mule/ King's X /Monster Magnet Message-ID: >So, as you can see, 'Sam will not be on the limited set. In fact, I was just about to say that 'Sam hasn't been appearing much in the setlists for quite a while when they go and play it at the Irving Plaza gig last night. It's mean and evil, wicked and nasty... Cheers, Paul. Thanks Paul. Made a trip to the local music store and saw it in the racks. A bit pricey so I decided to check CDNow since they are having a 30% off sale. Store price was not that much different so I'll opt for instant gratification and just buy it there. >My funds are not in bad shape but, I've learned caution so will start with just 1 or 2, perhaps a best of and one of the others you mentioned. On a side note, I usually avoid "best of" albums because I find that I don't necessarily agree with their idea of whats best from any given band. Most of the times, it seems that "best of" really means, "songs that actually got airplay". I can relate. I don't own a single BOC comp. In fact the KX "Best of..."and Frank Marino's "Dragonfly" are the only comps in my collection. Nothing different with any of the studio versions I got it for the three bonus songs and something I forgot to mention, a killer 10 minuete live version of the song "Over My Head". Generally this is a well laid out Best of. These songs are very representative of the bands career and evolution thus far. Besides King's X probably gets less airplay than BOC. >I have been hearing "Space Lord" a lot on the local station (and liking it), so I have decided to ad some to my collection; which album(s) should I pick up by them? A personal Monster Magnet experience. I saw a video of Space Lord at, of all places, Walmart. My thinking, "Wow so thats Monster Magnet, they rewl!" I rushed out and bought Power Trip. I fell in love. Space Lord is the tip of the iceberg, its a great album. I then went out and purchased Dopes To Infinity. I like that one too. Its heavier and a bit less organized but I like it a lot. I then turned a bud on to Power Trip. He went out looking to buy it. Felt sure he would like Dopes too since it was heavier but not totally dissimilar. To my surprise he thought that Dopes was one of the worst albums he had ever heard in his life. Absolutely hated it. Guess my point is if you like Space Lord then get Powertrip. Later you may want to experiment with Dopes, but I certainly would not rush out and buy 25 Tab, Spine of God or Superjudge as the first album. You may be really dissapointed if ya do. The further back you go the less commercial/general appeal. Just my two pieces of copper. Ghost In the Ruins NP:Shadow Gallery - Tyranny From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 25 13:12:42 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:12:42 GMT Subject: HW: At last - some NEWS! In-Reply-To: Andreas Stuewe's message of Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:56:13 +0100 Message-ID: Andreas Stuewe writes: > - HW are supposed to do the soundtrack for the next series of Babylon 5. Bad news here: Babylon 5 Crusade has been shelved with 13 episodes more or less made and JMS has moved on to other projects. I'm a little skeptical that Hawkwind were really lined up to do the music rather than Chris Franke anyway. > Andreas FoFP From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Thu Mar 25 17:52:27 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 14:52:27 -0800 Subject: Gov't Mule/ King's X /Monster Magnet Message-ID: Speaking of Gov't Mule.. thats another band I've never heard but have been curious about. I see them mentioned in several different circles.. i.e., the "Jam Band" people talk about them and the "heavy" people talk about them. I thought they were a jam band at first but now am not so sure.. should I bother? Monster Magnet is another one.. but I did hear their latest radio stuff and wasn't that impressed so I may skip them. I'm a picky S.O.B. On comps... I did buy "Workshop of the Telescopes" since all my BOC except "Imaginos" is on LP and I wanted some of the old stuff to play in my truck.. I may still go out and buy the first 3 on CD though since WotT missed many of my favorites.. JB (In search of new listening adventures..) > Subject: OFF: Gov't Mule/ King's X /Monster Magnet > > > I can relate. I don't own a single BOC comp. In fact the KX "Best > of..."and Frank Marino's "Dragonfly" are the only comps in my > collection. > Nothing different with any of the studio versions I got it > for the three > bonus songs and something I forgot to mention, a killer 10 > minuete live > version of the song "Over My Head". Generally this is a well > laid out Best > of. These songs are very representative of the bands career > and evolution > thus far. Besides King's X probably gets less airplay than BOC. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Mar 25 18:10:57 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 23:10:57 +0000 Subject: Gov't Mule/ King's X /Monster Magnet Message-ID: On tor 25 mar 1999 14.52 -0800 "Joseph Brooks" wrote: > Speaking of Gov't Mule.. thats another band I've never heard but have been > curious about. I see them mentioned in several different circles.. i.e., the > "Jam Band" people talk about them and the "heavy" people talk about them. I > thought they were a jam band at first but now am not so sure.. should I > bother? Not quite sure what you mean ... Gov't Mule will happily jam a song for half-hour--and they're *damn* good at it, if that's the sort of thing you appreciate. They are also _effing_ heavy :) The members have links with the Allman Bros, though their style much more strongly allied to the likes of Cream, Mountain, and all the heavy blues-rock power trios. If a bit heavier :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Thu Mar 25 18:31:52 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:31:52 -0800 Subject: Gov't Mule/ King's X /Monster Magnet Message-ID: Good freestyle jamming is probably my favorite sort of music these days.. Most post '90's metal leaves me cold (there are exceptions..). I wasn't sure if they were a jam band ala Phish, moe., Ominous Seapods etc. or a heavier metal band.. of whatever description. A mixture of both sounds intriguing. But you're description sounds like something I definitely want to look into. Thanks :) Headed to the music store right after work to look for Kings X and now perhaps Gov't Mule as well. I just don't get out to hear a lot of these newer (new to me anyway) bands like I used to and when I do, I am disappointed with so many of them. JB > Not quite sure what you mean ... Gov't Mule will happily jam > a song for half-hour--and they're *damn* good at it, if that's the > sort of thing you appreciate. They are also _effing_ heavy :) The > members have links with the Allman Bros, though their style much > more strongly allied to the likes of Cream, Mountain, and all the > heavy blues-rock power trios. If a bit heavier :) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic > St. John's College, University of Cambridge > mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk > http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ > From COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Mar 25 19:05:52 1999 From: COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK (COLM MC WILLIAMS) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 00:05:52 -0000 Subject: hawklords Message-ID: Can't get hawklords live of my stereo its thats good. Love deathtrap especially when the power fails and presumably its Dave brock saying "sorry about that power failure" and then calvert shouts "right" and it echoes then they crack back into the song with a 1,2,3,4.... Bloody brilliant. I hear that daves working on a sonic assassins live CD, I can't wait love "over the top" from the flicknife EP. colm :) -----Original Message----- From: Hall, Russell J To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 25 March 1999 15:33 Subject: Re: hawklords I just found this self seame CD in a bargain bin at Strawberries Records and Tapes. Woo Hoo only $4.00. > ---------- > From: COLM MC WILLIAMS[SMTP:COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 8:31 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: hawklords > > Hi all, > Just got hold of "the hawklords live" bloody brilliant really wish that I > could have seen hawkwind live when calvert sung with them. My fav of all > time period of hawklore is when he fronted them classics like steppenwolf, > reefer madness, death trap, damnation alley(my all time fav hawkwind > track!), highrise, over the top (I could go on!!!!). An unrecognised > genius of wordplay!!!!!! My all-time fav hawkwind moment is when they > played spirit of the age at Brixton with astralasia and calvert vocal was > used as a live sample for the song. I was in heaven let me tell you! > > colm > From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Thu Mar 25 19:02:28 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:02:28 +0900 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album... Message-ID: Chris Bates wrote: > On 25 Mar, Dave Greenhalgh wrote: > > Coming out of lurker-dom for this one, try the Haze 21 anniversary gig CD from > > last year. Sort of heavy-proggie band from Sheffield who never really made it > > as they should. There were a couple of albums that I can't remember the name > > of now. I remember one single was named after the Land Rover, Gabbadon. > > Obscure? That's not obscure - it's on my office desk as I type! > In fact two BOC-Lers (myself and Big Mike) were there. Obscure! Ha! > Blast and botheration, back to the depths of the vinyl cabinet. Oh, and three BOC-Lers were there in that case :-) (Although i wasn't on list then.) > -- Dave Greenhalgh ICQ#33513470 From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Mar 25 19:16:22 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 16:16:22 -0800 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album... Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:33:16 +0000, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > Whenever someone poses a question like this I'm reminded that I've >only been collecting obscure music for a few years - almost anything I >mention is liable to get six people posting back with "Oh, yeah, I got my >ORIGINAL VINYL SIGNED BY THE LEAD GUITARIST when I went to see his >undeservedly underrated solo project. But, for what it's worth, a band >I've never seen mentioned on BOC-L that I think most people here would get >into pretty fast is Brainticket, Italian 70s psychedelia ... Swiss, actually. Don't have original vinyl, autographed or no. Great stuff, though! And I'd think that their overall 'spookiness' would endear them to many folks on the BOC side of the list. Yes, Brainticket are definitely recommended. (hasn't Cleopatra reissued one of their albums in the US?) >... that later went >electronic and uninspired. 'Cottonwood Hill' and 'Psychonaut' are both >instant buys should you ever see them, and you can quote me on that; >lovely stuff. OK - here's one from me: Stone Harbour 'Emerges' Stone Harbour were a duo (gtr+bass+keys+synth+voc, drums+lead voc) from Youngstown, Ohio who self-released one album in 1974. The original is a serious psych-collector holy grail (we're talking four figures here; and no, I don't know anyone with an original), but it's been reissued/booted on vinyl and (I think) CD. The music is pretty varied, with space rock, pastoral psychedelia, and 70s hard rock boogie all present to one degree or another. And the songs are pretty darn good. Since they were a duo, they obviously had to do some bouncing of tracks in order to do all the overdubbing (I wouldn't be surprised if it was all done with two stereo reel-to-reels), and that shows in the amount of tape hiss on the album; hopefully the CD release cleaned things up a bit. A good example of when "record collector hype" actually is onto something worthwhile ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Mar 25 21:42:58 1999 From: COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK (COLM MC WILLIAMS) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 02:42:58 -0000 Subject: hawklords Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: COLM MC WILLIAMS To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 25 March 1999 23:54 Subject: Re: hawklords >Can't get hawklords live of my stereo its thats good. Love deathtrap >especially when the power fails and presumably its Dave brock saying "sorry >about that power failure" and then calvert shouts "right" and it echoes then >they crack back into the song with a 1,2,3,4.... Bloody brilliant. I hear >that daves working on a sonic assassins live CD, I can't wait love "over the >top" from the flicknife EP. > >colm > >:) > >-----Original Message----- >From: Hall, Russell J >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Date: 25 March 1999 15:33 >Subject: Re: hawklords > > >I just found this self seame CD in a bargain bin at Strawberries Records and >Tapes. Woo Hoo only $4.00. > >> ---------- >> From: COLM MC WILLIAMS[SMTP:COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK] >> Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 8:31 PM >> To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >> Subject: hawklords >> >> Hi all, >> Just got hold of "the hawklords live" bloody brilliant really wish that I >> could have seen hawkwind live when calvert sung with them. My fav of all >> time period of hawklore is when he fronted them classics like steppenwolf, >> reefer madness, death trap, damnation alley(my all time fav hawkwind >> track!), highrise, over the top (I could go on!!!!). An unrecognised >> genius of wordplay!!!!!! My all-time fav hawkwind moment is when they >> played spirit of the age at Brixton with astralasia and calvert vocal was >> used as a live sample for the song. I was in heaven let me tell you! >> >> colm >> > From ted at ALGER.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Mar 25 21:53:29 1999 From: ted at ALGER.DEMON.CO.UK (Ted Alger) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 02:53:29 +0000 Subject: OFF: King's X and Ninny Bomb Countdown In-Reply-To: <6D986111E966D211A65E00A0C96E961108FB03@C2> Message-ID: the "Best of King's X" disc was chosen by people on the newsgroup actually... Ty polled everyone and put together the track list based on the voting. also, as another attraction (besides the 3 unreleased tracks and the live track) all the songs from the first 4 albums were remastered by Ty. they sound pretty good! Ted >My funds are not in bad shape but, I've learned caution so will start with >just 1 or 2, perhaps a best of and one of the others you mentioned. > >On a side note, I usually avoid "best of" albums because I find that I don't >necessarily agree with their idea of whats best from any given band. Most of >the times, it seems that "best of" really means, "songs that actually got >airplay". > >JB From ted at ALGER.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Mar 25 21:53:35 1999 From: ted at ALGER.DEMON.CO.UK (Ted Alger) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 02:53:35 +0000 Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip In-Reply-To: <6701750.3131368727@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: hey, nothing wrong with some Rap..... or R&B or Jazz or any other of a million "types" of music... it's all expression and art, and that's what we're all looking for, right? >On tor 25 mar 1999 11.16 +0000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: >> i did in fact have a "rap phase" about 10-15 years ago (he said, >> ducking and covering) > > Well, there goes your street cred ;) > > But, in fact, I remember someone on this list once admitted >to being an Iced-T fan. Not you, Steve, was it? ;) > >Cheers, >Carl > >-- >Carl Edlund Anderson >Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic >St. John's College, University of Cambridge >mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk >http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From ted at ALGER.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Mar 25 21:53:42 1999 From: ted at ALGER.DEMON.CO.UK (Ted Alger) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 02:53:42 +0000 Subject: OFF: Gov't Mule In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I always did like Marc Ford since I bought the Burning Tree album... he kinda lost me with the Black Crows, but good guitarist and singer... > >1 w/Marc Ford on guitar & vocals >2 w/Marc Ford on guitar From ted at ALGER.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Mar 25 21:53:39 1999 From: ted at ALGER.DEMON.CO.UK (Ted Alger) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 02:53:39 +0000 Subject: OFF: 10 MOST HATED In-Reply-To: <000801be76c8$3ec22440$73453bcb@xl5> Message-ID: well, I don't actually have the Dweezil version myself... I can never seem to find his CDs when I lookin for em... but it WAS pretty rockin, as most of Dweezil's stuff is... (how can it not with Frank for a dad, and getting lessons from Steve Vai and Eddie VH?) and as for twisted covers... always like Veruca Salt's version of "My Sharona" and since Spinal Tap's been discussed... Soundgarden used to do a pretty spiffy cover of "Big Bottom"........ Mr. Duffy wrote: (after my quoted bit that is) >> >> oh come on now..... I always thought Dweezil Zappa's cover of >> 'Stayin Alive' >> (with Donny Osmond on vox) was pretty good, in a twisted, Zappa >> sort of way! >> > >I haven't heard that version, but would love to. I really like twisted >versions of well-known songs. > >William and DASLUD wrote: >< >versions of well-known songs.>> > >"(i cant get no) SATISFACTION" <<-- THE RESIDENTS '76 From COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Mar 25 23:03:47 1999 From: COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK (COLM MC WILLIAMS) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 04:03:47 -0000 Subject: quark Message-ID: I'm sorry but I have to say that Quark, Strangeness and Charm is the best album in the world!!!!!!!!!!!! colm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Mar 25 23:09:29 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 23:09:29 -0500 Subject: Gov't Mule/ King's X /Monster Magnet In-Reply-To: <6D986111E966D211A65E00A0C96E961108FB0B@C2> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, Joseph Brooks wrote: => I wasn't sure if they were a jam band ala Phish, moe., Ominous Seapods etc. => or a heavier metal band.. of whatever description. A mixture of both sounds => intriguing. But you're description sounds like something I definitely want => to look into. Thanks :) Headed to the music store right after work to look => for Kings X and now perhaps Gov't Mule as well. Do it... Do it... Do it... Do it... Do it... (They are heavier, but *not* metal. I've often heard it said that they have a "darker" sound than most jam bands [though they cover a big range of styles], which I'm sure might appeal to a BOC fan. Hawkwind fans will enjoy the monster extended improvs, e.g., 20-minute "Trane," 30-minute "Afro Blue," etc. [fans of early Hawkwind, at any rate]. Carl is right, though: they are _effing_ heavy!) You might do worse than to pick up the new live album, if you're into jam bands. (You can sing along with Warren as he massacres the lyrics to "War Pigs.";) Cheers, Paul. Gov't Mule, _Live... With a Little Help From Our Friends_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Mar 25 19:08:26 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:08:26 -0500 Subject: HW: At last - some NEWS! In-Reply-To: <199903251812.SAA25398@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 06:12 PM 3/25/99 GMT, you wrote: >Andreas Stuewe writes: > >> - HW are supposed to do the soundtrack for the next series of Babylon 5. > >Bad news here: Babylon 5 Crusade has been shelved with 13 episodes more >or less made and JMS has moved on to other projects. I'm a little >skeptical that Hawkwind were really lined up to do the music rather than >Chris Franke anyway. Franke wasn't going to do it, they had somone named Evan Chen (I think) doing the music. Something widly criticized in B5: A call to arms, the "prequel" as it were to B5 Crusade. JMS kept insisting that if we gave the guy a chance, we'd come to love his music as much as Chen, and he just wanted to go in a new direction so it wouldn't be seen too much as a clone of the first show... ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Fri Mar 26 00:45:39 1999 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:45:39 +1000 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album... Message-ID: OK, this seems to be rare and therefore I'm guessing obscure, but anyway... _Clockwork Revenge_ by Airlord. If memory serves, this is a New Zealand band and I have only ever heard of this one album by this group (late 70's?). I've tried to find this for many years now. I've seen it a couple of times in online 2nd hand seller's lists, but each time I've enquired it's already been sold. I've only known one person who owned it and his copy got stolen (along with the rest of his collection and equipment). Superb guitar, quirky lyrics, unusual vocals (a bit like Fish as I recall, in fact, overall it is a little Marillion-ish but without the production), interesting arrangements, great introspective mood. Anyone have a copy they want to sell/trade/dub? :) Pete. At 05:10 PM 3/24/99 -0500, you wrote: >Here's an idea for a stupid contest that will generate probably lots >of totally unnecessary email: What's the most obscure release that you >think we should all own a copy of? I mean, I'm not talking about a >band that *you* love to death, I mean a band that you honestly think >that lots of people on BOC-L would like, if only they could hear them? > >I'll live to regret this one, I just know it. > >Steve >swann at plutonia.com > > *************************************************************************** Peter Sondergeld Email. p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "I'm no stranger to hard work - more of a nodding acquaintance." - D.G. Harris **************************************** From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 26 02:18:00 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 02:18:00 EST Subject: OFF: That one obscure album... Message-ID: In a message dated 3/25/99 3:58:51 AM, bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL writes: <> "lower east side" like in the vicinity of greenwich village NEW YAWK NEW YAWK lb From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 26 02:20:28 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 02:20:28 EST Subject: OFF: That one obscure album... Message-ID: ummm... KENSINGTON MARKET "aardvark" warner bros '69 lb From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 26 02:46:05 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 02:46:05 EST Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip/DA OLD SCHOOL Message-ID: SCHOOLLY-D 1st 2 lp's PUBLIC ENEMY 1st 3 lp's MANTRONIX 2nd throgh 4th lp's JUST-ICE 1st lp BDP 1st 2 lp's KOOL MOE DEE 2nd lp LL COOL J 1st 2 lp's and "cali" single SALT n' PEPA 1st lp ETC ETC ...some former favorites from a rarely-visited section of my tape collection....these and many others from the "rap phase"....i bailed for good once 13 yr old white kids started advising me on what to buy... lb From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Mar 25 23:37:09 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 04:37:09 +0000 Subject: OFF: 10 most loved Message-ID: > >> Ah, a big fan of this lot [Fairport Convention/Sandy Denny/Richard > >> Thompson], I am! :) Got turned on to these guys when I saw them open for Tull in '87. They were unbelievable! I recommend "Live in Real Time". Killer stuff. -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Mar 25 23:37:09 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 04:37:09 +0000 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album... Message-ID: How about William Shatner's 1968 classic, "The Transformed Man"?! Not really a rarity anymore, since I think it's re-released on Rhino. Shatner doing "Mr. Tambourine Man" and "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" is just too surreal. -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Mar 25 23:37:09 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 04:37:09 +0000 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album... Message-ID: I'm actually looking for an obscure album...The debut, and I think the only, album by a three-piece 80s metal outfit called Belfegore (sp?). It came out early- to mid-80s, and I heard lots of good things about it. I always had it in the back of my head to check them out, never did. I was only reminded of them when this thread popped up. I tried some CD places on the Net, but got nothing. Does anybody remember this band or have the album? Is it any good? -- Nick From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Mar 26 04:42:16 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 04:42:16 EST Subject: OFF: That one obscure album... Message-ID: In a message dated 99-03-25 06:48:55 EST, you write: << >Soniqu? do you have more information of cybotron. i have 1 cd of them on a german label. the cd is called colossus, and it's a great piece of spacerock. reminds me sometimes of ash ra tempel, really great. what other releases do they have and are they available on cd yet. thanks andre >> ---Yeah, Sonique taped me these a few years ago and I was very impressed. Then again, I liked the HW-remasters as well, but not enough to pay $30 a shot... :) Cheapskate Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Mar 26 04:55:13 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 04:55:13 EST Subject: OFF: Favorite Twisted Covers Message-ID: In a message dated 99-03-25 11:22:34 EST, you write: << > "(i cant get no) SATISFACTION" <<-- THE RESIDENTS '76 >> ---Uh-oh, another new meaningless, but fun, thread? You gotta have the Residents' "Boots" ("These Boots"), and Zappa's "Best Band You Never Heard in Your Life" for "Ring of Fire", "Sunshine of your Love" and "Purple Haze". (Strangely there is also a cover of "Stairway to Heaven" on this album which for reason isn't twisted at all, and a beautiful rendition of Ravel's "Bolero", also surprisingly untainted...) Chuck From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 26 05:23:55 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:23:55 +0000 Subject: OFF: 10 most loved Message-ID: On fre 26 mar 1999 04.37 +0000 "" wrote: >> >> Ah, a big fan of this lot [Fairport Convention/Sandy Denny/Richard >> >> Thompson], I am! :) > > Got turned on to these guys when I saw them open for Tull in '87. > They were unbelievable! I recommend "Live in Real Time". Killer > stuff. Agreed! _In Real Time_ has neither Denny (of course) nor Thompson, but is nevertheless one of my fave FC albums. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri Mar 26 05:39:30 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 05:39:30 EST Subject: OFF: BRAINTICKET Message-ID: In a message dated 99-03-25 10:33:32 EST, you write: << Brainticket, Italian 70s psychedelia that later went electronic and uninspired. 'Cottonwood Hill' and 'Psychonaut' are both instant buys should you ever see them, and you can quote me on that; lovely stuff. Yours, Jon >> ---AHHH! You say Italian, someone else said Swiss, while I've heard Belgian and Dutch!! Which is it? I'm inclined to think Dutch, since the main guy's name is Van Droogen (or Van something). BTW, I found "Psychonaut" a while ago, and like it quite a bit. This group is _at times_ reminiscent of HW, I think... Chuck From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 26 05:55:02 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:55:02 +0000 Subject: OFF: BRAINTICKET Message-ID: On fre 26 mar 1999 05.39 +0000 "Chuck Rosenberg" wrote: > AHHH! You say Italian, someone else said Swiss, while I've heard Belgian > and Dutch!! Which is it? Not Italian, I think--just an Italian label. I vaguely associated them with something Benelux, but don't know enough about them! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Fri Mar 26 06:30:13 1999 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 22:30:13 +1100 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album... Message-ID: On 25 Mar 99, at 15:33, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > > > it would have to be Caution. > > Though it seems a contradiction, it's obscurity is legendary. > > Yes, it's by Hawkwind, but honestly does anyone have a copy > > in their collection? I doubt it, except maybe Sonique. > > As far as I can tell, that's pretty much down to the stupid label > it's on, SFR - maybe some day they'll realise what they're sitting on... > Of course, it's obviously going to appeal more to the HW side of the list > than the BOC one, though. Stupid Label!!!? You just might be surprised one day when the Bilby licenses it for re-issue ..... Soniqu? -- PO Box 378 Paul Ward Ashburton http://sonique.net VIC 3147 (time permitting) Mob:0418 524744 sonique at sonique.net From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Fri Mar 26 06:28:13 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Gekke Henkie) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:28:13 +0100 Subject: OFF: BRAINTICKET In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 26 Mar 99, at 5:39, Chuck Rosenberg wrote: > > ---AHHH! You say Italian, someone else said Swiss, while I've heard > Belgian and Dutch!! Which is it? I'm inclined to think Dutch, since the > main guy's name is Van Droogen (or Van something). Cause his name starts with_van_does not mean he's Dutch. The Dutch once conqured the world, so there are a lot of places where people have some name with_van_ (like the States?) --BArt BTW, I found > "Psychonaut" a while ago, and like it quite a bit. This group is _at > times_ reminiscent of HW, I think... Chuck From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Fri Mar 26 06:28:13 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Gekke Henkie) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:28:13 +0100 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album... In-Reply-To: <199903260932.EAA11825@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: On 26 Mar 99, at 4:37, Nick English wrote: > How about William Shatner's 1968 classic, "The Transformed Man"?! Or Leonard Nimoy's "The way I feel" also around that time. > > Not really a rarity anymore, since I think it's re-released on Rhino. Are Nimoy's records re-released?? > Shatner doing "Mr. Tambourine Man" and "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" is > just too surreal. Nimoy nozzeling songs_can't call it singing_is also a one of a kind experince. --BArt From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Fri Mar 26 06:50:46 1999 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 22:50:46 +1100 Subject: OFF: Cybotron (was That one obscure album...) Message-ID: On 25 Mar 99, at 12:48, cosmos wrote: > do you have more information of cybotron. > i have 1 cd of them on a german label. > the cd is called colossus, and it's a great piece of spacerock. > reminds me sometimes of ash ra tempel, really great. > what other releases do they have and are they available on cd yet. I doubt that any of the Cybotron albunms will make it to CD, but if they ever do I'd buy them in a flash to complement my vinyl issues. They formed in 1974, and the first (self titled) LP was released in 1976 on a now non-existant label "Clear Light of Jupiter" based here in Melbourne (Australia). They 'band' consisted of Steve Maxwell Von Braund (ARP 2600, Korg 700, Electronic Percussion and Alto Saxophone) and Geoff Green (Organ, String synth, Korg 700 and ARP 2600). The 2nd album was "Colossus" which came out in 1979 on "Neutron Star Records", also of Melbourne and also now non-existant (could be same label?). To my surprise I just discovered that my German supplier (for Sonic Bilby) has it listed! It's on the INAKUSTIK label, cat # is 016-8906 The third album was "Implosion" from 1980. My copy at least was on (surprisingly) Cleopatra, CLP 203, and though recorded in Oz was mastered in L.A. If any Cybotron album is likely to be re-issued this would be a good candidate That's all of the Cybotron albums - if you see different titles thay are by a US band of the same name (but much different music). Vinyl copies of all the albums can still be found in good condition from time to time at 2nd hand record fairs in Oz (in fact I've bought copies for friends outside of Australia in the past), but I doubt that you'll see them elsewhere. Von Braund has released a number of other recordings since that time, but I've never seen copies of them That's about all I know, except that they are well worth having. Now, isn't anyone going to ask about Brainstorm??? Soniqu? -- PO Box 378 Paul Ward Ashburton http://sonique.net VIC 3147 (time permitting) Mob:0418 524744 sonique at sonique.net From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Fri Mar 26 06:54:01 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Gekke Henkie) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:54:01 +0100 Subject: OFF: Cybotron (was That one obscure album...) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 26 Mar 99, at 22:50, Soniqu? wrote: > That's about all I know, except that they are well worth having. Why? Do you have information we should all know? :) --BArt From nexus at PANIX.COM Fri Mar 26 07:12:31 1999 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 07:12:31 -0500 Subject: OFF: Favorite Twisted Covers In-Reply-To: <6a98577a.36fb5981@aol.com> from "Chuck Rosenberg" at Mar 26, 99 04:55:13 am Message-ID: ><< versions of well-known songs.>> > "(i cant get no) SATISFACTION" <<-- THE RESIDENTS '76 >> >---Uh-oh, another new meaningless, but fun, thread? >You gotta have the Residents' "Boots" ("These Boots"), and Zappa's "Best Band >You Never Heard in Your Life" for "Ring of Fire", "Sunshine of your Love" and >"Purple Haze". (Strangely there is also a cover of "Stairway to Heaven" on >this album which for reason isn't twisted at all, and a beautiful rendition of >Ravel's "Bolero", also surprisingly untainted...) Chuck Ah, one of my favorite subjects ... Bad News - Bohemian Rhapsody, so bad it's good. Spooky Tooth - I am the Walrus, much the same. Motorhead - Louie, Louie - surprisingly the most understandable version I've ever heard. Those are probably the strangest. JB From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Mar 26 06:19:13 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 07:19:13 EDT Subject: Gov't Mule/ King's X /Monster Magnet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Paul Mather Headed to the music store right after work to look > => for Kings X and now perhaps Gov't Mule as well. > > Do it... Do it... Do it... Do it... Do it... > > > (They are heavier, but *not* metal. I've often heard it said that they > have a "darker" sound than most jam bands [though they cover a big range > of styles], which I'm sure might appeal to a BOC fan. Hawkwind fans > will enjoy the monster extended improvs, e.g., 20-minute "Trane," > 30-minute "Afro Blue," etc. [fans of early Hawkwind, at any rate]. Carl > is right, though: they are _effing_ heavy!) > > You might do worse than to pick up the new live album, if you're into > jam bands. (You can sing along with Warren as he massacres the lyrics > to "War Pigs.";) > > Cheers, > > Paul. That he does! Just got it yesterday afternoon. What a great album. Is Mark Ford the guy that got booted from the Black Crowes? theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Mar 26 06:25:42 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 07:25:42 EDT Subject: Gov't Mule/ King's X /Monster Magnet In-Reply-To: <6D986111E966D211A65E00A0C96E961108FB0B@C2> Message-ID: > From: Joseph Brooks > Good freestyle jamming is probably my favorite sort of music these days.. > Most post '90's metal leaves me cold (there are exceptions..). > > I wasn't sure if they were a jam band ala Phish, moe., Ominous Seapods etc. > or a heavier metal band.. of whatever description. A mixture of both sounds > intriguing. But you're description sounds like something I definitely want > to look into. Thanks :) Headed to the music store right after work to look > for Kings X and now perhaps Gov't Mule as well. > You can't go wrong with GM. They're hard to pigeonhole. Warren plays some slide, so you might be tempted to call them Allman-esque, but they also cover War Pigs. Long guitar workouts are amazing, and a killer bassist [and drummer] as well. These guys record their studio albums essentially live--if they overdub, it's the RHYTHM part. Check them out. Great band, and very fan-friendly. Allow live taping, etc... theo From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Mar 26 07:27:46 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:27:46 -0000 Subject: OFF: Favorite Twisted Covers In-Reply-To: <199903261212.HAA01138@panix3.panix.com> Message-ID: Jorn Zorn and Naked City's version of "A Shot in the Dark" is simply awesome - a firestorm of sax and guitars which eventually organises itself into a heavy-duty version of that familiar Henry Mancini magic. For bizarre laffs, though, gotta hand it to Type O Negative's massacre of "Summer Breeze". (Their "Cinnamon Girl" didn't quite do it for me, though.) Close to home, Sepultura's ridiculously guttural version of Motorhead's "Orgasmatron". And Hijokaidan's white-noise-feedback-frenzy version of "Silver Machine" is one of the best around... - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mordru at FLITE.NET Fri Mar 26 08:12:37 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:12:37 -0500 Subject: OFF: Favorite Twisted Covers Message-ID: >><< > versions of well-known songs.>> >> "(i cant get no) SATISFACTION" <<-- THE RESIDENTS '76 >> wot? no mention of the IITBOTFTBD version of "Gimme Shelter"? >>---Uh-oh, another new meaningless, but fun, thread? >>You gotta have the Residents' "Boots" ("These Boots"), and Zappa's "Best Band >>You Never Heard in Your Life" for "Ring of Fire", "Sunshine of your Love" and >>"Purple Haze". (Strangely there is also a cover of "Stairway to Heaven" on >>this album which for reason isn't twisted at all, and a beautiful rendition of >>Ravel's "Bolero", also surprisingly untainted...) Chuck > > >Ah, one of my favorite subjects ... >Bad News - Bohemian Rhapsody, so bad it's good. >Spooky Tooth - I am the Walrus, much the same. >Motorhead - Louie, Louie - surprisingly the most understandable version > I've ever heard. I always liked Dread Zeppelin, their version of "Stairway to Heaven" is the only one I'll listen to anymore.... ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Fri Mar 26 09:39:10 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:39:10 -0500 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 25 Mar 1999 to 26 Mar 1999 - Special issue Message-ID: > > I think Ted hits the nail on the head here! Dammit, we need MORE > rockcrits > like Meltzer - not a bunch of straightlaced old men like Marsh, > Cristgau or > Marcus who would rather be writing political analysis for the Village > Voice. Rock and Roll music SHOULD be written about and criticized by > the > kind of guy who would show up drunk to his friend's wedding, insult > (or > make a pass at) the bride, throw bottles, and generally cause an > unpleasant > scene. 'Cause that's what Rock and Roll is about! It ain't about the > French Situationists, or Chinese oppression in Tibet, or identity > liberation politics ... it's about getting loaded and having a good > time! I realize that some people feel this way, so this is not meant against Doug or anyone else personally -- but this way of thinking is bullshit to me. Some may think that's what rock and roll is about - rebellion and all that - but for me, it isn't and never was. It was always the music. I'm not saying I want a bunch of political analysts reviewing it either - I just want someone who can enjoy the music - whether or not he shows up drunk to his friend's wedding or not. And while Meltzer may have plenty of valid musical points, it's hard to see them through his "style". Besides, if it was just about getting loaded and having a good time - something I enjoy myself by the way - then why do we here all care about BOC being the "thinking man's heavy metal band?", and why do we critique John Shirley's lyrics on Heaven Forbid as being inferior to Pearlman's and Meltzer's? John From bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Mar 26 09:37:50 1999 From: bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 06:37:50 PST Subject: OFF: Favorite Twisted Covers Message-ID: >I always liked Dread Zeppelin, their version >of "Stairway to Heaven" is the only one I'll listen to anymore.... > >============================================ >"I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random > >Andrew Apold And their "Moby Dick," where Tortelvis reads from the novel during the drum solo! My fave though has to be "Heartbreaker (At the End of Lonely Street)." I almost fell out of my seat the first time I heard it. :-) Brian Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Mar 26 09:57:59 1999 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:57:59 +0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 25 Mar 1999 to 26 Mar 1999 - Special issue In-Reply-To: <36FB9C0D.783A80E2@mitre.org> Message-ID: >> the kind of guy who would show up drunk to his friend's wedding, insult >> (or make a pass at) the bride, throw bottles, and generally cause an >> unpleasant scene. [...] it's about getting loaded and having a good >> time! That's a rather strange definition of "a good time". Dave. Languages Group Manager. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Mar 26 10:06:22 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:06:22 -0600 Subject: OFF: 10 Most loved Message-ID: * Fairport Convention/Sandy Denny/Richard Thompson (amazing that two fine > > songwriters, one with a gorgeous voice, and one brilliant guitarist, could > > wind up in the same band) > Theo>sounds kinda like two-thirds of a certain band from Canada... Triumph? Ghost in the Ruins From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Mar 26 09:15:48 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:15:48 EDT Subject: BOC-L Digest - 25 Mar 1999 to 26 Mar 1999 - Special issue In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990326145759.01249620@mailhost.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: > From: Dave Berry > >> the kind of guy who would show up drunk to his friend's wedding, insult > >> (or make a pass at) the bride, throw bottles, and generally cause an > >> unpleasant scene. [...] it's about getting loaded and having a good > >> time! > > That's a rather strange definition of "a good time". > Well, haven't we all been to weddings where shit like that has happened? And don't we still all bring those incidents up when we get together with people who attended the wedding, and have a good laugh about them, now that time has passed? theo From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 26 10:19:22 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:19:22 EST Subject: OFF: Favorite Twisted Covers Message-ID: In a message dated 3/26/99 4:56:55 AM, Chuckrecs at AOL.COM writes: <<(Strangely there is also a cover of "Stairway to Heaven" on this album which for reason isn't twisted at all, and a beautiful rendition of Ravel's "Bolero", also surprisingly untainted...) Chuck >> >>>he also did a reasonably faithful "i am the walrus" on the the same tour, and was still whipping out "whipping post"....except for maybe "ring of fire" i'd call these covers less "twisted" than "zappafied" lb ps then again there's the entire THIRD REICH AND ROLL lp by the residents... From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Mar 26 09:26:06 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:26:06 EDT Subject: BOC-L Digest - 25 Mar 1999 to 26 Mar 1999 - Special issue In-Reply-To: <36FB9C0D.783A80E2@mitre.org> Message-ID: > From: "John A. Swartz" > scene. 'Cause that's what Rock and Roll is about! It ain't about the > > French Situationists, or Chinese oppression in Tibet, or identity > > liberation politics ... it's about getting loaded and having a good > > time! > > > I realize that some people feel this way, so this is not meant against > Doug or anyone else personally -- but this way of thinking is bullshit > to me. Some may think that's what rock and roll is about - rebellion > and all that - but for me, it isn't and never was. It was always the > music. Yeah, but see, the music is born from rebellion, frustration, a need to go beyond what the pre-existing notions of music are. Rockabilly was pushing against the barriers of country and jazz. Electric blues took elements of delta blues but filtered them thru the urban experience and evolved into a different idiom. The Beatles rebelled against pop music and psychedelicized it. Punk rejected founding fathers of the British Invasion. Metal rejected the flower-power folks and rebelled. Music=upheaval, and it stands to reason that rock journalism would mirror this kind of violent evolution... I'm not saying I want a bunch of political analysts reviewing it > either - I just want someone who can enjoy the music - whether or not he > shows up drunk to his friend's wedding or not. But sometimes that's appropriate too! How can you review Body Count or Rage Against the Machine without involving the political? And while Meltzer may > have plenty of valid musical points, it's hard to see them through his "style". > Well, this wasn't the best example of RM's writing either... > Besides, if it was just about getting loaded and having a good time - > something I enjoy myself by the way - then why do we here all care about > BOC being the "thinking man's heavy metal band?" It's more about iconoclasm than getting drunk. And BOC punctured their share of icons in their day... , and why do we critique > John Shirley's lyrics on Heaven Forbid as being inferior to Pearlman's > and Meltzer's? I like HF quite a bit, incl. JS's lyrics, but they don't have the depth of RM's or SP's or AB's, for that matter... theo From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 26 10:25:48 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:25:48 EST Subject: OFF: Favorite Twisted Covers Message-ID: In a message dated 3/26/99 8:12:48 AM, mordru at FLITE.NET writes: <> yeah, i remember being 12 at my grammy's house listening to the long gone phoenix underground station KCAC, hearing the sssslllloooowwww motion version of 'walrus'.... i suppose if the zappa covers were "zappafied" than this would be, um, "spookified..." "<>" lb From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Mar 26 09:26:50 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:26:50 EDT Subject: OFF: 10 Most loved In-Reply-To: <63A955F33941D111A68800805F3198E15A45F9@ws30989.mcit.com> Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > * Fairport Convention/Sandy Denny/Richard Thompson (amazing that two fine > > > songwriters, one with a gorgeous voice, and one brilliant guitarist, > could > > > wind up in the same band) > > > Theo>sounds kinda like two-thirds of a certain band from Canada... > > Triumph? > > Ghost in the Ruins Wise-ass! From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Fri Mar 26 10:18:01 1999 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 01:18:01 +1000 Subject: OFF: Favorite Twisted Covers Message-ID: Twisted covers? Diamanda Galias singing "I Put a Spell on You" (admittedly the original is fairly twisted). Sid Viscious "I Did it My Way". Sonic Youth "Get into the Groove". Dead Kennedys' My Shorona thing at the MTV awards... Syd's Pink Floyd singing King Bee ("buzzin' around your hive"). But what is certainly the best is:- Laibach "Jesus Christ Superstar". Now that one is a classic. Come to think of it, every cover that Laibach has done classifies as a "Twisted Cover"... - Max Wilcox From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 26 10:30:08 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:30:08 EST Subject: BOC: Meltzer's POreView Message-ID: In a message dated 3/25/99 12:57:09 PM, ceres at SIRIUS.COM writes: <> 6 feet under....didnt come when i called last week, either ^-~ lb From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 26 10:34:52 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:34:52 EST Subject: BOC/OFF: Repercussion of a bad musical trip Message-ID: In a message dated 3/25/99 1:28:44 PM, cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK writes: << Can't remember his name, but one of those cheezy white-boy rappers that used to inhabit MTV ...>> i suppose that would be, um, ......ah, VANILLA ICE i tink lb From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Mar 26 10:42:06 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:42:06 +0000 Subject: quark In-Reply-To: <007501be773d$c06c8380$991f883e@Colm.bton.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, COLM MC WILLIAMS wrote: > I'm sorry but I have to say that Quark, Strangeness and Charm is the best > album in the world!!!!!!!!!!!! Gotta disagree with you there... I don't know what the best album in the world is unless it's 'Secret Treaties', but I'm damn sure that best album _doesn't_ have 'Days of the Underground' on it... Though I grant you the rest of the album is pretty damn fine. Yours, Jon -- /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | =====================================================================| | "Probability level 1 to 1. We have normality, I repeat, we have | | normality. Anything you still can't deal with is therefore your own | \_________________________ problem." ______________________________/ \_____________/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Mar 26 10:42:38 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:42:38 EST Subject: Beatles Message-ID: In a message dated 3/24/99 5:46:13 AM, cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK writes: << And not the least dangerous of them!>> alky-hol, that is....being officially sanctioned, it's THE WORST "<>" 8 beers in '98 stoner aging awkwardly lb From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Mar 26 10:43:20 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 07:43:20 -0800 Subject: OFF: Gov't Mule/King's X/Monster Magnet Message-ID: >Speaking of Gov't Mule.. thats another band I've never heard but have been curious about. I see them mentioned in several different circles.. i.e., the "Jam Band" people talk about them and the "heavy" people talk about them. I thought they were a jam band at first but now am not so sure.. should I bother? Oh I get cised. The late Robert Rudich used to rave constantly about this band. I finally bit and picked up the first Live album. Raw uncensored stuff, just the way they played that night. These guys are the bomb. Money back gauruntee on the Mule! >Monster Magnet is another one.. but I did hear their latest radio stuff and wasn't that impressed so I may skip them. An acquired taste fer sure. Powertrip is a very good album. I just love 19 Witches, still think it would sound better on the Brain Surgeons but thats a nit. >I'm a picky S.O.B. As am I which would explain the relatively small (by comparision to others on this list) CD collection, less than 200. >On comps... I did buy "Workshop of the Telescopes" since all my BOC except "Imaginos" is on LP and I wanted some of the old stuff to play in my truck.. I may still go out and buy the first 3 on CD though since WotT missed many of my favorites.. I am sooooooo embarrassed. I said I only had two comps. I lied, I have four. WotT (yes a BOC comp found its way into my house), and the Best of Sea Level, another Allman Brothers related band, though they sound more like the Allmans than Gov't Mule. I only got the Sea Level 'cause I can't find the s/t or Cats on the Coast on cd. Might as well wait on the first three to see if Mo Fi actually does a gold T&M. I'd prefer a gold ST but will buy this sucker anyway. There is also three pak by Sony which has the first three for about $20. Next time I'll try and think before typing. >JB (In search of new listening adventures..) Well how are you for some Triumph? Then there is Saigon Kick, another brilliant unkown band that dosen't play together anymore. They have some fab stuff if you can find it. Did I ever mention Shadow Gallery to you? What about Dream Theater? You got the money I can surely help ya spend it :). L8er Ghost in the Ruins NP: Saigon Kick - Devil in the Details (its on my dessert island list) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Mar 26 11:32:58 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:32:58 -0500 Subject: OFF: BRAINTICKET Message-ID: Chuck and Jon say... > Brainticket, Italian 70s psychedelia that later went > electronic and uninspired. 'Cottonwood Hill' and 'Psychonaut' are both > instant buys should you ever see them, and you can quote me on that; > lovely stuff. Yours, > Jon >> > >---AHHH! You say Italian, someone else said Swiss, while I've heard Belgian >and Dutch!! Which is it? >I'm inclined to think Dutch, since the main guy's name is Van Droogen (or Van >something). BTW, I found "Psychonaut" a while ago, and like it quite a bit. >This group is _at times_ reminiscent of HW, I think... Chuck Well, I always thought of them as Swiss, but knew of course that keyboardist Joel Vandroogenbroeck is actually Belgian. And then doing a little digging, discovered that they were based in southern Germany, Switzerland, and (yes) Italy at different times. With musicians from all of these countries? I believe that the last three of their albums ("Celestial Ocean", "Adventure", and "Voyage") were all released on Cleopatra here in the states. "Celestial Ocean" is a pretty strange album, and I guess really a lot different than the others. Apparently, there were some mispressed CDs made by Cleopatra, with the music from "Voyage" on the "Adventure" discs, and vice versa. So beware of that. I seem to remember that Vandroogenbroeck lives in Mexico now, after a long, prolific 'solo' career in all sorts of 'world musics.' Keith H. (FAA) From chris_baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Fri Mar 26 11:50:42 1999 From: chris_baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:50:42 -0800 Subject: OFF: Favorite Twisted Covers Message-ID: > "(i cant get no) SATISFACTION" <<-- THE RESIDENTS '76 >> > ---Uh-oh, another new meaningless, but fun, thread? Has anyone heard about the upcoming Residents tour? I noticed a bunch of US and European dates on Pollstar starting in a couple of weeks (incl. three nights at Irving Plaza in NYC, where I will be at the time.) I saw this band (if it can be called that) around '85 with the late great Snakefinger on guitar, and it was just an amazing, surreal experience. Cheers, Chris From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Mar 26 12:30:42 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:30:42 +0000 Subject: OFF: BRAINTICKET In-Reply-To: <199903261642.LAA12759@mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, Keith Henderson wrote: > I believe that the last three of their albums ("Celestial Ocean", > "Adventure", and "Voyage") were all released on Cleopatra here in the > states. "Celestial Ocean" is a pretty strange album, and I guess really a > lot different than the others. Apparently, there were some mispressed CDs > made by Cleopatra, with the music from "Voyage" on the "Adventure" discs, > and vice versa. So beware of that. 'Celestial Ocean' is apparently based on a concept of time-travellers from Ancient Egypt. Curiously enough, now playing is 'Soul Herder' from 'Past or Future' by Nik... And the relevant album is on Nik's home label... Cleopatra has those three, anyway, and the earlier two are on CD on a label called Bellaphon, but they deleted the first one, 'Cottonwood Hill' some time last year. Some places still seem to have stocks but I don't know how come. 'Psychonaut' is very cool, but guessing the band's nationality from either the names or the accents is pretty impossible, so I plumped for the label. Saw a later, eighties album by Brainticket in a shop once, but from the band credits it appeared to be Joel Vandroogenbroeck (as spelt in the 'Psychonaut' inlay) sitting in a studio with some Moogs and someone else to program for him, so I decided not to chance it and bought 'New World's Fair' instead. Not one of my better judgement days, if you'll pardon the phrase. Yours, Jon -- /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | =====================================================================| | "Probability level 1 to 1. We have normality, I repeat, we have | | normality. Anything you still can't deal with is therefore your own | \_________________________ problem." ______________________________/ \_____________/ From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Mar 26 12:51:08 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:51:08 -0500 Subject: OFF: BRAINTICKET Message-ID: Jon said... > Cleopatra has those three, anyway, and the earlier two are on CD >on a label called Bellaphon, but they deleted the first one, 'Cottonwood >Hill' some time last year. Some places still seem to have stocks but I >don't know how come. Just noticed that Phonag, a Swiss label, recently reissued this on CD, so perhaps that's why they're appearing again. Keith H. (FAA) From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Fri Mar 26 13:16:19 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:16:19 -0800 Subject: Gov't Mule/ King's X /Monster Magnet Message-ID: > Do it... Do it... Do it... Do it... Do it... I did and.. whoa.. where have these guys (GM) been? Or, where have *I* been? I liked it immediately which is usually a good sign. I picked one up called "Dose" which I like and another self-titled one which I assume is their first album? Great stuff so far, I think I'll be picking up the live album soon. They sort of remind me of Allman Bros. meets Soundgarden meets Black Sabbath. I also picked up Kings X "Tape Head" and.. I like it but the vocals may take me a bit to get used to. I believe I will grow to like them though. Thanks for the suggestions guys! JB From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 26 13:43:45 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:43:45 +0000 Subject: Gov't Mule/ King's X /Monster Magnet Message-ID: On fre 26 mar 1999 10.16 -0800 "Joseph Brooks" wrote: > I did and.. whoa.. where have these guys (GM) been? Or, where have *I* been? > I liked it immediately which is usually a good sign. I picked one up called > "Dose" which I like and another self-titled one which I assume is their > first album? Great stuff so far, I think I'll be picking up the live album > soon. They sort of remind me of Allman Bros. meets Soundgarden meets Black > Sabbath. Self-titled one is the first album. IMO, good as the studio albums are, the live stuff is best. Get the new live album and _Live at Roseland_ (their second album). And if you can do MP3s you can download recordings from shows at their website (don't have the URL off-hand, but it should be easy to find). Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Mar 26 13:07:18 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:07:18 EDT Subject: Gov't Mule/ King's X /Monster Magnet In-Reply-To: <1864968.3131462625@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > From: Carl Edlund Anderson > On fre 26 mar 1999 10.16 -0800 "Joseph Brooks" > wrote: > > I did and.. whoa.. where have these guys (GM) been? Or, where have *I* > been? > > I liked it immediately which is usually a good sign. I picked one up > called > > "Dose" which I like and another self-titled one which I assume is their > > first album? Great stuff so far, I think I'll be picking up the live album > > soon. They sort of remind me of Allman Bros. meets Soundgarden meets Black > > Sabbath. > > Self-titled one is the first album. IMO, good as the studio > albums are, the live stuff is best. Get the new live album and > _Live at Roseland_ (their second album). And if you can do MP3s > you can download recordings from shows at their website (don't > have the URL off-hand, but it should be easy to find). > > Cheers, > Carl I'm pretty sure it's mule.net. GM's studio albums are essentially recorded live. The difference being that they tend to stretch out on the songs more on the truly live albums... And how come I'm not hearing any raves for Jimmy Herring from those who've listened to Live...With a little...? Or for young Derek Trucks, for that matter. Isn't he still a teenager? And to think the media fawns over the likes of Jonny Lang And Stevie er, Kenny Wayne Sheppard when there's a true child prodigy like Derek making real music out there. It's a world gone mad... theo theo From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Fri Mar 26 15:33:47 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 20:33:47 +0000 Subject: OFF: Favorite Twisted Covers Message-ID: Garth Brooks - Hard Luck Woman (orig. by Kiss) Cradle Of Filth - Black Metal (orig. by Venom) Duran Duran - Thank You (orig. by Led Zeppelin) Rollins Band - Ghost Rider (orig. by Suicide) Marc Almond - Vision (orig. by Peter Hammill) Anathema - Hope (orig. by Roy Harper) Everclear - Sin City (orig. by AC/DC) I could go on, relentlessly. SAH NP Skinlab - Disembody: The New Flesh -- Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK e-zine and freezine http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Fri Mar 26 15:39:11 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 20:39:11 +0000 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album... Message-ID: Oh, where to begin. Jay Boy Adams mid-70's eponymous album is a favourite. More recent stuff would include The Court Composer by Le'rue Delashay and Mama's Kitchen by the Cultivators. Possibly The New Strain by Alien Breed. Going back in time Stillssearching by Arcansiel. Or for total pomptastic overload, Jim Steinmans forgotten masterpiece, Original Sin by Pandoras Box. The Yearning by Things Of Stone & Wood. Pooka by Pooka. But if you only buy one more album for the rest of your life, make it Spectrum by Billy Cobham. SAH -- Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK e-zine and freezine http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From mpower at CICG-DEV.ETSD.ML.COM Fri Mar 26 16:01:26 1999 From: mpower at CICG-DEV.ETSD.ML.COM (Marc Power) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:01:26 -0500 Subject: OFF:BØRN to GØ - And then there were five. Message-ID: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Dateline March 25th 1999 Indie SynthMaster NOMUZIC signs onboard with Heavy Cozmic SpaceRockers B?RN to G? ==================================================================== Greetings SpaceRockers, This is the official announcement. SynthMeister Carl Howard a.k.a. NoMuzic who had been assisting on synth duties during Professor Electron's bout of ill-health late last year, is now an official full-time member of Heavy Cozmic SpaceRockers, B?RN to G?. NoMuzic augments the already Cozmic contribution Carl brings his vast experience, virtuoso synth expertise, performance and compositional skills to B?RN to G?, garnered from years spent playing with SpaceRock luminaries such as: ALIEN PLANETSCAPES, LAND of GUILT & BLARNEY and VIRTUAL UNREALITY. Recently Carl worked with UK Goth Tech Industrial outfit ATTRITION, playing dates on their US tour. He has an exceptional collection of vintage analogue synths, including original items from ARP, Sequential Circuits, Buchla, Roland, EML and KORG. Carl is the founder of Indie Cassette label AUDIOFILE TAPES, who have a catalogue of well over 200 tape releases and have been purveyors of fine radical releases since 1984. Contact AUDIOFILE TAPES here: Among his many other achievements, Carl founded the mid-80's Alternative music journal, ARTITUDE. B?RN to G? welcomes NoMuzic onboard. In Space we Trust, -- Send your snail mail address to mpower at ml.com for your FREE live VHS NTSC video of Heavy Cozmic SpaceRockers B?RN to G?. Really New BtG website for the Btg Mailing-list for all things SpaceRock! From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Mar 26 15:19:10 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:19:10 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: Gov't Mule/ King's X /Monster Magnet In-Reply-To: <1864968.3131462625@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: => Self-titled one is the first album. IMO, good as the studio => albums are, the live stuff is best. Get the new live album and => _Live at Roseland_ (their second album). And if you can do MP3s => you can download recordings from shows at their website (don't => have the URL off-hand, but it should be easy to find). The URL is ftp://gromit.dlib.vt.edu/pub/emule/audio/ (or, alternatively, point your anonymous ftp client towards gromit.dlib.vt.edu and cd to /pub/emule/audio). There's also a link at http://www.mule.net/mp3.html Gee, I think I've seen that FTP hostname somewhere before?... ;-) Cheers, Paul. NP: Peter Green Splinter Group, _Soho Session_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Mar 26 16:29:53 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:29:53 -0500 Subject: OFF: Many Message-ID: OK folks.... In light of the heavy off-topic traffic on the list lately, I thought I might add my voice to the fray in (hopefully) an unbiased fashion as I'm not a huge fan of any of them. I heard about all of these bands on various lists, mainly this one and Porcupine Tree, and eventually bought all of these as I came upon them in local second hand stores. Perhaps this might help some folks who don't shop excessively like I do, to decide which ones of these might be right for them...perhaps not. Opinions are only opinions afterall, although mine are the best. :) [Just to note, although I joined boc-l mainly for Hawkwind, I own eight BOC discs and a similar number of LPs, first heard them in the mid-70s (before HW) and first saw them live in 1983 (again, before HW). So, I straddle the fence, you might say.] The Tea Party - Splendour Solis (1993) Summary description: Pearl Jam performing highlights from Led Zeppelin (III through Physical Graffiti) I generally like this album. I bought it four or five years ago, and hadn't listened to it much lately until last night. Many of the songs have a strong Eastern flavor, kinda like Zeppelin's Kashmir, and despite the implications of copying (a la '87 Whitesnake & Kingdom Come), their songwriting is at times quite original. "Deams of Reason" sounds a little too close to "Rain Song" though. I don't know which of the trio is the singer, but he's got a strong, resonant voice that I can only compare to Eddie Vedder. There's a good mix of more acoustic sounding tracks (like LZ III), and the heavier guitar tracks that mostly stick to those oriental-type chord progressions (??...I'm no musician). Toronto has some good bands, eh? Thumbs Up Radiohead - OK Computer (1997) Summary description: Slick, spacey, and lots of variety...too bad the singer is pathetically sappy These media darlings have gotten some progheads with modern leanings all in a tizzy. I don't see what the big deal is. However, this album does start out quite strongly (musically speaking). After three songs, my reaction is positive...very modern, spacey material with inventive bass lines and layers of atmospherics and effects-laden guitars. But I absolutely cannot stand the whiny, sappy vocalist (don't know his name) at any point throughout this album. Though the tune "Subterranean Homesick Alien" is a real winner, and the vocals aren't *quite* so awful here. Starting with Track 4, things go sharply downhill. The music turns boring and predictable, and the more I hear the voice, the more I hate it. The only comparison I could make is Ka-spel from the Legendary Pink Dots (there are even a few musical similarities at times), though it's really not the same. I have (somewhere...I can't find it) one of Radiohead's earlier albums, which was so generic-sounding, I don't even remember the title. Thumbs Down (wasted potential) King's X - Ear Candy (1996) Summary description: Screaming Trees meets It Bites This is pretty standard material. The proggish pop-rock writing style of It Bites' Frank Dunnery but with that enormous dude from Screaming Trees on rhythm guitar pretty much explains everything you need to know about King's X (is it pronounced 'ex' or 'cross'...I always wondered). The vocals are indeed unusual, again very reminiscent of Frank Dunnery (alone), but also like Echolyn (a 'truer' prog band) when doing the harmonizing thing. I found it only marginally interesting. And they get quite soulful (or even 'gospel-ish') once in a while. But the main problem is the drummer. This guy is clumsy and plodding (see Chronicle of the Black Sword), which is unfortunately emphasized by the fact that the sound of his drums on this album is also pretty much dead. This is a major label recording, so can't imagine what the engineer was doing to make the drum track so lifeless. (I had to put on KW's III afterwards, just to hear Sami do some real drumming.) I do like some of It Bites' songs (hell, I have all their albums), but the ones I don't like (the cheesier, poppy tunes - esp. Dunnery's solo material) are the ones that are the most similar to King's X. Which means I have to say... Thumbs Down Gov't Mule - Dose (1998) Summary description: Southern Fried Robin Trower Gov't Mule seems to be a boc-l favorite, so there's no way I'm going to slag this band! Actually, they're quite good, though new bands in 'old styles' don't overwhelm me unless that 'old style' is my favorite. So as talented as these guys are, they're not going to displace my personal choices in this blues-rock vein, i.e., Tommy Bolin, Robin Trower, Captain Beyond, and Spooky Tooth. The difference with the Mule is Haynes' love for southern-style slide guitar. A couple numbers really stood out, "Thorazine Shuffle," "Birth of the Mule," and "Larger than Life." I hear a lot of Trower (and occasionally) Jeff Beck in the music, but that may be because Haynes' voice is a touch reminiscent of Jim Dewar. They came through Columbus just recently, and though I've heard here that they rock hard in live shows, I don't feel disappointed I didn't go. Trower himself is coming next week, and I doubt that I'll go to that one either. I've already seen him four or five times anyway, and I still remember that time my car was stolen while I was at one of those gigs! (Like it was his fault!) Thumbs Up Spiritualized - Ladies & Gentleman We Are Floating in Space (1997) Summary description: Syrupy sweet ambient-alternative rock (whatever that means) This is an album that will take another few years to fully digest. Like Radiohead, they've spent a lot of time (and money) tweaking the sound (perhaps over-producing), and as a result comes out a bit muzaky. But there are some very nice aspects of their modern space sound that I haven't heard before. Well, ok, the best tunes rely on uptempo hypno-rhythms are certainly takeoffs of kraut bands like Neu! and Can ("I think I'm in Love" and "Electricity"). But they created some bass sounds on this album that are irresistably boomy. And they use lots of horns and even harmonica (instruments that I rarely enjoy in 'rock' music) in extremely effective ways. They overdo the 'whispery vocal' thing a bit, but it does work on the more ambient tracks. Except the title track, which I'm a little sick of because it's used for a TV commercial over here. But in the end, the originality in creating new sounds outweighs the cutesiness, and I give it... Thumbs Up Man or Astroman? - Project Infinity (1995) Summary description: WIPEOUT!!! OK, I'd seen this band's name around a lot, and passed by their discs in stores for a number of years before finally picking up this one for $5. I *knew* that despite the band's name and cover art imagery, that this wasn't my beloved space rock. But I didn't think it was as stupid and annoying as it turned out to be. This is totally outside my experience, and all I can think of is that tune 'Wipeout' (who did that?), or maybe the B52s. I don't really care...it's not serious music (which is fine) but it's inane (which is not fine). The popularity of this band can only be explained by the same method by which Brian Setzer's fame can. Totally stupid. (Although "Tomorrow Plus X" *does* sound a little like "Phetamine St.") :) Thumbs Down Mercury Rev - Boces (1993) Mercury Rev - Deserter's Songs (1998) Summary description: (DS) Muzak versions of Moody Blues muzaky tunes I don't know much about this band (for some reason, I think they're from Buffalo...izzat right?), but they seemed to be a favourite of Christian Mumford (who's oddly vanished from the e-world). I bought Boces thinking that they were 'spacey' or 'psychy' back then, but not really I discovered. Though one tune, "Something for Joey," was a pretty cool psych-fest in an alterna-shoegazey way, but the others drifted through all sorts of other styles without really much excitement. But not cosmic in any way. But with my two-album rule still in tact, I went for Deserter's Songs and discovered that Boces is brilliant by comparsion, as this is one of the very worst albums I've ever bought. What I said above applies...take the sappiest Moody Blues tunes (e.g., Hayward love ballads) and create symphonic/muzak versions and you've got Deserter's Songs. It truly is abysmal. (Oh, BTW, I like Moody Blues just fine, despite the sporadic gooey-ness.) Thumbs Down Voivod - Nothingface (1989) Voivod - Angel Rat (1991) Summary description: Quirky Canadian prog metal The 'prog metal' genre is one that I really could do without, despite the fact that I have several dozen CDs that I categorize as such. I was a big fan of Diamond Head and Queensryche in the early 80s, back when there was no such 'genre.' Since then, bands like Dream Theater and Fates Warning have appeared in my collection without a great deal of serious attention. And Voivod too. I give Voivod credit though, they don't compose songs in any pre-set fashion, and are tight performers. Their herky-jerky music (which I will call 'Crimson-esque') does have a hint of that wankiness (i.e., 'we do it just because we can' mentality) though. The vocalist is ok, but his voice is rather non-descript...doesn't really sound French like you might expect. The version of "Astronomy Domine" on Nothingface is pretty cool. Thumbs Up Deniz Tek - Equinox (1998) Summary description: Fairly intricate, uptempo guitar-driven rock I found this album by sheer coincidence on the first day I saw him mentioned here on boc-l. It was merely $3, so how could I pass that up? It's pretty good. I didn't really like the guest female vocalist very much (two tracks only) and preferred Tek's voice, which isn't outstanding but decent enough. Tek certainly likes phasers, flangers, backmasking, whatever....lots of effects on his guitar, anyway. "Sideways Motion" is a pretty cool track, a badder, bassier riff with a taste of funkiness. "King of the Carnival" is another funky/rappy style tune, which surprisingly are the ones I like the best. In contrast, some of the other tracks are like a more intelligent style of 'stoner rock' sharing some characteristics with Nebula (Fu Manchu spinoff), but with more variety and complexity. And some keyboards to boot...not exactly a stoner staple. Thumbs Up Well, that's all for now, for what it's worth. Note: I still haven't picked up a Kyuss/QotSA disc, although I have heard some of the latter. And Monster Magnet I haven't included here, since I'm more of a fan of theirs having all their albums..."Superjudge" is my favorite for the same reason as Carl. Most of these discs I picked up used (because I *have* to, in order to afford my massive collection), and I only really regret buying Deserter's Songs and the Man or Astroman? discs. So, in the end, I've done ok with this selection of (what to me are) pop bands, considering that a large percentage of what I buy are sold in the hundreds to thousands, not hundreds of thousands like most of these ones. And at the least, it's been educational. But sorry if I dissed your particular favorites...I just tell it like I hear it. :) Keith H. (FAA) From joe.e at TELIA.COM Fri Mar 26 17:17:34 1999 From: joe.e at TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 23:17:34 +0100 Subject: OFF: Favorite Twisted Covers Message-ID: the Norwegian lunatic ?ysten Sundes a capella of "You Really Got Me" - in a pure domestic "N? Har Du F?tt Meg" is an absolute favorite. another Nordic goodie is the Mobile Whorehouse's rap'n metal version of "Iron (Wo)Man" with additional lyrics sung by the Iron Womans. It's just... amazing. .joe ga-ga-ga ga-ga ga-ga-ga ga-ga ga-ga-ga ga-ga n?????... ga-ga-ga ga-ga ga-ga-ga ga-ga... From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Mar 26 17:17:30 1999 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:17:30 PST Subject: tBS: Hole in the head Message-ID: Hi kids: A quick question.... The other day I was farting around with different audio CD players for win95 trying to get my stankin' PC to play audio CDs once again (in a word- AAAARRRGGHHH!!!), and there was one that would connect me to a site called CDDB..... http://www.cddb.com/ They claim to be able to track down ANY CD from ANY band, and say "go ahead, try and stump us", so for shits and giggles I typed in THE BRAIN SURGEONS. It had the 4 tBS releases, plus........ ?Brain Surgeons / Hole in the Head 1.Most Romantic Place in the World 2.Needle Gun 3.Saint Vitus Dance 4.If U Come Close 5.Donkey Show 6.The Girl That Love Made Blind 7.Ciudades Y Navidades 8.Happy New Year 9.Big Bang Theory 10.Locked Up 11.My Civilization 12.Soul Jive 13.Tour Spiel 14.Mad Dude 15.Hansel & Gretel 16.Earthquake Boogie 17.Gimme Nothin' 18.Baby Ice Dog 19.(666) Devil Got Your Mother Ok, now MAYBE this was mentioned before and maybe I just wasn't paying attention (I'll admit, I read my digests pre-work, and therefore pre-coffee, so it may have slipped by my slitted morning eyes), but does anyone know what the sam scratch this is all about? Feel free to ninny bomb me (with 4 part harmony and feeling) if I missed something obvious. And BTW, my most obscure band would probably have to be tBS themselves. I mean, *HERE* they are hardly obscure, but you get out in the real world (heh heh) and people look at you like you have pulled a bouquet of flowers out of your anus when you say their name. Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos *********************************************** Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Fri Mar 26 17:35:09 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:35:09 -0800 Subject: Off: Off topics Message-ID: Hiya.. I'm feeling that I am responsible for perpetuating many of these off topic threads. I apologize to anyone who doesn't like getting so much crap in his/her mailbox. Once I get on a topic, I tend to work it to death before moving on. My ass has been red from the flames I've received on some other lists I've been on.. I just get carried away sometimes. Problem is, I don't have much more to say about BOC.. Its all pretty much been said, even back a few years when I was on the list and Imaginos was still a hot topic and Al B. was posting more, giving us all something to chew on... And I don't know doodely about Hawkwind so there's no help there.. But I like this list, enjoy everyone's differing ideas and input.. and I wouldn't want to leave it so if anyone feels that the off-topic stuff is getting out of hand, just say so and I, for one, will tone it down. JB From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Mar 26 17:47:45 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 22:47:45 +0000 Subject: tBS: Hole in the head In-Reply-To: <19990326221732.50595.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, Torgo Sedler wrote: > They claim to be able to track down ANY CD from ANY band, and say "go > ahead, try and stump us", so for shits and giggles I typed in THE BRAIN > SURGEONS. It had the 4 tBS releases, plus........ > > ?Brain Surgeons / Hole in the Head > > 1.Most Romantic Place in the World 2.Needle Gun 3.Saint Vitus Dance 4.If > U Come Close 5.Donkey Show 6.The Girl That Love Made Blind 7.Ciudades Y > Navidades 8.Happy New Year 9.Big Bang Theory 10.Locked Up 11.My > Civilization 12.Soul Jive 13.Tour Spiel 14.Mad Dude 15.Hansel & Gretel > 16.Earthquake Boogie 17.Gimme Nothin' 18.Baby Ice Dog 19.(666) Devil Got > Your Mother That looks lots like a bootleg, unless there's something even Cellsum aren't selling. Does Al know? Well, I guess he does now... Have to try that site myself, though. Several things spring to mind, not least 'Come My Fanatics' by Electric Wizard. Yours, Jon -- /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | =====================================================================| | "Probability level 1 to 1. We have normality, I repeat, we have | | normality. Anything you still can't deal with is therefore your own | \_________________________ problem." ______________________________/ \_____________/ From bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Mar 26 20:22:07 1999 From: bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:22:07 PST Subject: BRAIN: Hole in the head Message-ID: Oh no! Don't tell me Cellsum is pulling a Sony on us! tBS don't have enough albums yet to be given the compilation treatment. ;-) Torgo wrote: >?Brain Surgeons / Hole in the Head > >1.Most Romantic Place in the World 2.Needle Gun 3.Saint Vitus Dance 4.If >U Come Close 5.Donkey Show 6.The Girl That Love Made Blind 7.Ciudades Y >Navidades 8.Happy New Year 9.Big Bang Theory 10.Locked Up 11.My >Civilization 12.Soul Jive 13.Tour Spiel 14.Mad Dude 15.Hansel & Gretel >16.Earthquake Boogie 17.Gimme Nothin' 18.Baby Ice Dog 19.(666) Devil Got >Your Mother OK, I have not idea what this might be. If it's real, I hope it's a tribute CD where 19 top-notch bands covered tBS tunes (or covered tBS covering HW and BOC....) to be released concurrently with tBS new double album. I'm not saying it's probable.... Don't know about the title- isn't it basically restating "Trepanation"? Hmmm...this has me befuddled. >people look at you like you have pulled a bouquet of >flowers out of your anus when you say their name. LOL! Brian Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Mar 26 20:46:48 1999 From: bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:46:48 PST Subject: OFF: Godspeed You Black Emperor! Message-ID: Someone mentioned this band a few days ago...Here's a review from the av club at http://www.theonion.com/ Brian Godspeed You Black Emperor! Slow Riot For Zero Kanada EP (Kranky) EPs recorded between studio albums are often little more than filler-bespattered singles conceived to dupe collectors and completists into acquiring an act's every needless remix and outtake. But that doesn't mean Slow Riot For Zero Kanada, a two-song set by the Montreal ban Godspeed You Black Emperor!, isn't remarkably essential. With guitars, drums, and an assortment of strings, the instrumental group's nine members build the 11-minute "Moya" and 17-minute "Blaise Bailey Finnegan II" into diverse, shape-shifting, mood-swinging epics. Opening with creeping, beautiful strings, "Moya" slowly dissipates into languid quietude before swelling into a full-blown orchestral arrangement--albeit one with loud electric guitars--that recalls a more refined variation on Dirty Three's cataclysmic instrumental explosions. The song eventually bleeds seamlessly into "Blaise Bailey Finnegan II," which at first seems like a bit of a throwaway: Behind a dissonant soundtrack of guitars and strings, a paranoid, anti-government conspiracy theorist rants, tells stories, talks about his guns, and reads a scary poem. The music feels secondary, even perfunctory, until about 12 minutes in, when GYBE! takes over and delivers the apocalypse the narrator suggests is coming. It may be a low-priced EP, but Slow Riot For Zero Kanada delivers more intensely beautiful moments than you'll find just about anywhere else for twice the price. (Kranky, P.O. Box 578743, Chicago, IL 60657) --Stephen Thompson Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From nexus at PANIX.COM Fri Mar 26 20:57:02 1999 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 20:57:02 -0500 Subject: OFF: Favorite Twisted Covers In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19990326230805.10cfa0b8@m1.171.telia.com> from "Johan Edlundh" at Mar 26, 99 11:17:34 pm Message-ID: >another Nordic goodie is the Mobile Whorehouse's rap'n metal version of >"Iron (Wo)Man" with additional lyrics sung by the Iron Womans. >It's just... amazing. Which, in turn, reminds me of another favorite: a rap cover of Kim Wilde's "Kids in America" by British comedy speed metal band Lawnmower Deth. It makes your brain hurt. JB From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Fri Mar 26 21:38:50 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 21:38:50 -0500 Subject: OFF: Favorite Twisted Covers In-Reply-To: <199903270157.UAA06660@panix3.panix.com> Message-ID: >It makes your brain hurt. > >JB > A good cover of "Game of Love" was done by the OUt of Control Rhythm and Blues Band. needless to say it was bluesy. Other weird covers Yes doing Purple Haze when they came thorugh Syracuse a while back... just the thought of it makes me shudder. I think Sting did a Hendrix tune as well on the Fields of Gold disc. Speaking of "I got a spell on you" Didn't arthur brown do that? I know Marilyn Masnon did.... no nuance at all. Odd thought: Mansons' "Beautiful People" re-arranged for big band. It has that kinda beat :) last but not least, Quicksilver Messenger Service's mammoth "Who Do You Love?" suite on "Happy Trails." Lastly ( -1 ), Zeppelin's cover of "I'm Confused" is pretty shoddy. :) heheh Read your habermas,communicative action is good for you. Jason PS: Brian, you'll need to email me yer address so i can send tapes. thanx! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Sat Mar 27 02:52:00 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 02:52:00 -0500 Subject: OFF: Favorite Twisted Covers In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990326213850.006965bc@mail1.wizvax.net> Message-ID: Almost forgot one rally obscure covered gem: on an LP called the Mike (or was it Michael) Quattro Jam Band, the musicians performed "In the Court of the Crimson King" with, get this, TED NUGENT on guitar. Now thats odd. It was pretty godo though, it had some rearrangement, including a neat set of piano lines during the verses. The disc had some Rimsky Korsakov I think and some other "classical" renditions. but the Crim over took the cake. BTW, www.discipline.co.uk/news/news.htm says a boxed set of ProjecKts might be availible in the summertime. Other cover, (sorry) Ten Years After doing "At the Woodchopper's Ball" by Woody Herman. They also did a snippet of "Summertime" by Gershwin on the same LP (_UNdead_, recorded live at Klook's Kleek(sp?)) Returning to (gasp) assigned readings, Jason "You can call me MISTER Procrastinator" S. "I'm in a FOUL mood today. Stay outa my way or I'll CRITIQUE YOUR ASS to hell. Just ME,just YOU...a decent song. You wanna see THEM, see THEM. I don't give a shit." - Richard Meltzer From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Fri Mar 26 21:43:49 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 20:43:49 -0600 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album.../faves in general Message-ID: Brian Halligan wrote: > > >From: Joseph Brooks > >I'm not a big Hawkwind fan either but they have been around for quite a > >while as well.. (late 70's? Help me out here, Hawk people..) > > Late '60s, actually. > > >Finally, both bands attract fans that on average, I believe, are > somewhat > >more intelligent than your average (insert boring, MTV band here) fan > and so > >tend to listen to a wider variety rather than get stuck on a single > band or > >genre. > > I used to agree with this, but I've found that so-called intelligent > people listen to all kinds of music. Even boring MTV bands. And many > of them believe that more intelligent people listen to *their* bands > than to other genres ("unmusical" rap, "pompous" prog, "juvenile" top > 40, "sexist" heavy metal...) I think the reason so many of us have a > wide variety of tastes is because we're *music* lovers. Some people > only listen to one genre because that's all they care to listen to. > They feel they have better things to do than explore obscure music. > They may wonder why so many people watch Hollywood movies instead of > "superior" independent films. Music is one of our main > interests/hobbies so we're constantly searching for great tunes no > matter where they're from. > > Brian > obCD>The Olivia Tremor Control: "Black Foliage" > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com MAN we kiss each others ass's around here, don't we ;-). I would tend to agree with that, though, there are those people who swing it around into the completely opposite direction. People that purposely listen to the most obscure music for the sole purpose of being different, avoiding everything "popular" to try and be as original as possible, but end up listening to the worst obscure music (punk in most cases) just because it is unpopular. Some people just seem to lose their objectivity, with popular and obscure music. Now, about that "movie" thing: I can't really comment on any independent movies as I haven't seen very many, but most of my favorite movies are "hollywood" wide release, highly promoted movies. These probably being my favorite 5 Science Fiction/Fantasy (to narrow list) movies of all time: 1. Conan the Barbarian 2. Dune 3. 12 Monkeys 4. Star Wars Trilogy 5. Star Wars first three chapters (I know I'll love em so there on the list!) Laj. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 26 21:50:17 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 02:50:17 +0000 Subject: OFF: Many Message-ID: On fre 26 mar 1999 16.29 -0500 "Keith Henderson" wrote: > I still haven't picked up a Kyuss/QotSA disc, although I have heard > some of the latter. The first proper QotSA CD was OK, but didn't inspire me to buy it. I like Desert Sessions I&II better! And Kyuss-I *like* Kyuss, though I admire their attitude more than their actual recordings ... but that's what I write when I haven't been listening. I find they cast a spell on me when I start, and once I start playing them it takes a while to stop :) But in any case, "Gardenia" and "Spaceship Landing" are stunning! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 26 22:06:56 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 03:06:56 +0000 Subject: tBS: Hole in the head Message-ID: So is this the new tBS album then? -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 26 21:56:47 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 02:56:47 +0000 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album.../faves in general Message-ID: On fre 26 mar 1999 20.43 -0600 "Laj Waldner" wrote: > 1. Conan the Barbarian Superb! Really captured the feel of the written stuff on film, IMO. Much better than the sequel, which was entertaining, but not as _good_. I have the soundtrack to _C the B_ and listen to it often :) And Star Wars, of course: film and soundtrack :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 26 22:01:38 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 03:01:38 +0000 Subject: OFF: special announcement! (fwd) Message-ID: One of my friends and occasional musial co-conspirators has put up MP3s from the band he was in as a secondary school student. They're not bad considering the age and the recording circumstances. Kind of a jazzy, funky, rocky thing, with a cover of "Liz Reed" (most advantageous, as the singer wasn't too good :) So, now this is obscure :) On fre 26 mar 1999 19.49 +0000 "Radio Gnome Invisible" wrote: > I've put some mp3s of a me playing with a band I was once in called "The > Pudding Club" at this URL: > http://rgi20.joh.cam.ac.uk/mp3/pudding_club/index.html > > enjoy! (they're not *that* bad) > anyway, I'm off to the pub.... see y'all later! > > cheers > rob -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Mar 26 23:44:39 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 23:44:39 -0500 Subject: OFF: Favorite Twisted Covers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Mar 1999 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: => >>>he also did a reasonably faithful "i am the walrus" on the the same tour, => and was still whipping out "whipping post"....except for maybe "ring of fire" => i'd call these covers less "twisted" than "zappafied" True, although Frank's solo on "Whipping Post" can be considered "twisted" compared to the original. :-) I also have a version of "Whipping Post" from 1981 which is a "twisted" reggae version, resplendant with faux rasta vocals and modified lyrics ("good lord I think I look like a spliff, man"). (It is followed by the most scorching version of "Clowns on Velvet" I've ever had the pleasure to hear.) Speaking of "I am the Walrus," the "most twisted cover" award on the 1988 tour surely must go to "The Texas Medley" consisting of "Norwegian Jim > Loisiana Hooker With Herpes > Texas Motel" which is a medley of "Norwegian Wood," "Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds," and "Strawberry Fields Forever" set to "Swaggartified" lyrics (see "Lonesome Cowboy Jim" from _The Best Band You Never Saw In Your Life_ for similar treatment of one of Zappa's own songs). That cover is hilarious, and a must-hear. (I heard official release of it was blocked by Michael Jackson, who owns the rights to the Beatles catalogue. Dunno if that's a true story or not, though.) Other twisted cover nominations off the top of my head: Laibach: "Geburt Einer Nation" (chilling take on Queen's "One Vision"), and the _Sympathy for the Devil_ and _Let it Be_ albums. Mekong Delta: "The Hut of Baba Yaga," and "Night on a Bare Mountain" (Mussorgsky inna prog-thrash style). Of course, Hawkwind do a pretty twisted cover of "Gimme Shelter," but I'm not sure that's intentional... ;-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Actual testimony from... Ed Meese!" --- Frank Zappa, "Texas Motel" From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Mar 26 23:52:26 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 23:52:26 -0500 Subject: Gov't Mule/ King's X /Monster Magnet In-Reply-To: <729A74044A@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 asks: => Is Mark Ford the guy that got booted from the Black Crowes? The very same. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sat Mar 27 00:31:05 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 05:31:05 -0000 Subject: OFF: Godspeed You Black Emperor! In-Reply-To: <19990327014650.25066.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: Southern Studios (who handle Kranky stuff in the UK) list this for release April 12, so I can't comment, although "intensely beautiful" is fair cop for their (outstanding) album, _f#a#oo_. Anyway, that's *my* obscure fave (as if I haven't banged on about 'em enough already :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Mar 26 22:50:45 1999 From: bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 19:50:45 PST Subject: OFF: That one obscure album.../faves in general Message-ID: >From: Laj Waldner > I can't really comment on any independent movies as I haven't seen >very many, but most of my favorite movies are "hollywood" wide release, >highly promoted movies. These probably being my favorite 5 Science >Fiction/Fantasy (to narrow list) movies of all time: > >1. Conan the Barbarian >2. Dune >3. 12 Monkeys >4. Star Wars Trilogy >5. Star Wars first three chapters (I know I'll love em so there on the >list!) That's what I was trying to say. Most of us aren't so interested in obscure movies, we're into obscure music. While we may not understand the devoted fans of _Top 40 band "X" here_, movie fanatics might cringe when they hear you like Conan, or I like Logan's Run. It just depends on what kind of media people are rabid about. BTW, watch "60 Minutes" on Sunday for new footage of The Phantom Menace. I'm trying to avoid seeing too much of the film before it debuts on the big screen, but I may yet succumb to my curiosity.... Brian "Wipe them out...All of them." -Darth Sideous Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Sat Mar 27 01:48:59 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 00:48:59 -0600 Subject: HW - Video "VHS to DVD" Message-ID: Is there anyone out there that has any ties to Jet-i-noise? The company that has done the majority of Hawkwind Videos? I'd like to see all the Hawkwind video remastered to DVD, so I can spend more time enjoying these concerts visually!!!! Has anyone viewed the Live Legends on Laser Disc? How is the quality verses the VHS tape? Is it like comparing the Flicknife vinyl to their CD's? (What an amazing difference) And one more question...Is there anyone else who has a copy of "Urban Guerilla", the French CD release of the "Bring me the Head of Yuri Gagarin" Album? I'd like to buy a few copies if anyone knows where some can be had. Thanks, Hawkman. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Mar 27 05:07:11 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:07:11 +0000 Subject: The Brain (not Brain Surgeons!) In-Reply-To: <199903140254.MAA11157@yowie.cc.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: Hey, what exactly _is_ The Brain? A Grenas project of some sort I see, but who's in it? That Grenas boy never ceases to amaze me; over these last two years he's put out a Pressurehed album, an Anubian Lights album, a Farflung album (which is the business - current leader of the starfield no problems), half a Chrome album (playing the part of Damon Edge), and presumably this, and I understand there's another Pressurehed in the works as I type. Why can't Hawkwind match that sort of productivity, eh? Yours all, Jon P.S. He still needs to be kept away from a microphone though. -- /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | =====================================================================| | "Probability level 1 to 1. We have normality, I repeat, we have | | normality. Anything you still can't deal with is therefore your own | \_________________________ problem." ______________________________/ \_____________/ From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Sat Mar 27 06:56:22 1999 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 22:56:22 +1100 Subject: OFF: Cybotron (was That one obscure album...) Message-ID: On 26 Mar 99, at 12:54, Gekke Henkie wrote: > On 26 Mar 99, at 22:50, Soniqu? wrote: > > > That's about all I know, except that they are well worth having. > Why? Do you have information we should all know? :) Yup - there are no covers of Cybotron tracks on "Caution" :-? Soniqu? -- PO Box 378 Paul Ward Ashburton http://sonique.net VIC 3147 (time permitting) Mob:0418 524744 sonique at sonique.net From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Mar 27 08:00:20 1999 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 05:00:20 PST Subject: OFF: Obscurities Message-ID: Once upon a time, Laj said........... >>>> People that purposely listen to the most obscure music for the sole purpose of being different, avoiding everything "popular" to try and be as original as possible, but end up listening to the worst obscure music (punk in most cases) just because it is unpopular. Some people just seem to lose their objectivity, with popular and obscure music.<<<< This is kinda the point I tried to make awhile back. I could never understand how people could PURPOSELY like or dislike something. Now, maybe I'm wrong and maybe it's all just a coincidence, but it really does seem that so many people here can "force" themselves to like something just because nobody else has ever heard of it. >>>>I can't really comment on any independent movies as I haven't seen very many, but most of my favorite movies are "hollywood" wide release, highly promoted movies. <<<< Well, I'm a movie buff of sorts, and I do see quite a few independent films. Why do I like these so much? It's easy math really. With independent films I usually have never even heard the title before when I watch one, so I basically know nothing about them going into them. This makes for some VERY pleasant surprises indeed. As for "mainstream hollywood" movies, I like these just as well, unfortunately many of these fall under the wheels of the great hype machine and therefore I expect more and they don't deliver. Holywood hype is like a television laughtrack for me. Tell me when to laugh and I probably won't, but slip something subtle by me with no warning and I'll laugh 'till I drop. So I guess if you apply my movie thinking to music, I could easily understand why people like obscure music so much. In that case, ignore my first paragraph please. :^) Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos *********************************************** Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Sat Mar 27 10:46:58 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:46:58 -0500 Subject: OFF: Obscurities In-Reply-To: <19990327130021.28320.qmail@hotmail.com> from "Torgo Sedler" at Mar 27, 99 05:00:20 am Message-ID: Torgo Sedler writes: > > Well, I'm a movie buff of sorts, and I do see quite a few independent > films. Why do I like these so much? It's easy math really. With > independent films I usually have never even heard the title before when > I watch one, so I basically know nothing about them going into them. > This makes for some VERY pleasant surprises indeed. > > As for "mainstream hollywood" movies, I like these just as well, > unfortunately many of these fall under the wheels of the great hype > machine and therefore I expect more and they don't deliver. Holywood > hype is like a television laughtrack for me. Tell me when to laugh and I > probably won't, but slip something subtle by me with no warning and I'll > laugh 'till I drop. > > So I guess if you apply my movie thinking to music, I could easily > understand why people like obscure music so much. In that case, ignore > my first paragraph please. :^) Well, I think this thread took a logn turn, when we started to deliberate on the "fact" that people like to watch obscure movies/listen to obscure music because it's obscure. I think it's just that people who are really interested in a topic, -any topic- chew through all the easy/well-known stuff pretty soon. They like some of it, but find a lot of it very "same-y", and go in search of something different to keep them interested. If they stay at it long enough, this leads them ever further and further off the beaten path, until it looks like they're deliberately *avoiding* the mainstream. They're most likely not. It's just that after a while, they've heard what the mainstream has to offer, and it doesn't change that rapidly that one needs to scramble to keep up with it. :) The music scene is shaped like a pyramid, with a handful of highly visible artists making all the money and getting all the attention. Meanwhile, for every one of them, there are 1,000 unheard bands who are just as good or better. On this list, we're mostly music fans, so it seems like we're spending all of our time in pursuit of those "other" bands, and we wonder why people would bother chasing down "art house films" when Hollywood films are good enough. If this was alt.cult-movies, we'd be wondering why anyone would want more than 40 or 50 CDs, since collecting them takes up valuable time that could be better spent trying to track down that rumored Tai Seng release of The Bride With White Hair, restored from the original silver masters (I made that up by the way, so don't any film buffs go nuts). ;-) Steve swann at plutonia.com From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Sat Mar 27 11:00:34 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:00:34 -0600 Subject: OFF: Obscurities Message-ID: Torgo Sedler wrote: > >>>>I can't really comment on any independent movies as I haven't seen > very many, but most of my favorite movies are "hollywood" wide release, > highly promoted movies. <<<< > > Well, I'm a movie buff of sorts, and I do see quite a few independent > films. Why do I like these so much? It's easy math really. With > independent films I usually have never even heard the title before when > I watch one, so I basically know nothing about them going into them. > This makes for some VERY pleasant surprises indeed. > > As for "mainstream hollywood" movies, I like these just as well, > unfortunately many of these fall under the wheels of the great hype > machine and therefore I expect more and they don't deliver. Holywood > hype is like a television laughtrack for me. Tell me when to laugh and I > probably won't, but slip something subtle by me with no warning and I'll > laugh 'till I drop. That would be reason #123 why Simpsons is the funniest show on TV to date, no laugh track. Probably due to the fact that the studio audience would have to sit and watch the animators for weeks, the jokes would lose all meaning ;-). They actually had something about this on Jonovision (a Canadian talk show for ages 12-16) a few days back (I don't watch Jonovision, just happened to see this as I was channel surfin', really). What they did was tape a conversation between two people that really wasn't that humorous, one recording was just the conversation and on the other one they overlapped with a laugh track. They then proceeded to show the tapes to two different groups of people, letting each person view it privately, and the people that watched the laugh tracked tape actually laughed at moments of the conversation that weren't funny. Laj. > > Torgo has left the building....... > *********************************************** > DrTorgo at hotmail.com > http://welcome.to/torgos > *********************************************** > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Sat Mar 27 11:25:36 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:25:36 -0600 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album.../faves in general Message-ID: Brian Halligan wrote: > > >From: Laj Waldner > > I can't really comment on any independent movies as I haven't seen > >very many, but most of my favorite movies are "hollywood" wide release, > >highly promoted movies. These probably being my favorite 5 Science > >Fiction/Fantasy (to narrow list) movies of all time: > > > >1. Conan the Barbarian > >2. Dune > >3. 12 Monkeys > >4. Star Wars Trilogy > >5. Star Wars first three chapters (I know I'll love em so there on the > >list!) > > That's what I was trying to say. Most of us aren't so interested in > obscure movies, we're into obscure music. While we may not understand > the devoted fans of _Top 40 band "X" here_, movie fanatics might cringe > when they hear you like Conan, or I like Logan's Run. It just depends > on what kind of media people are rabid about. That's true in some respect, but you have to really look into why people like something before you put any faith in their opinions. I also in fact like Logan's Run, I even like those Charlton Heston science fiction movies, the ones that I have seen :-). > BTW, watch "60 Minutes" on Sunday for new footage of The Phantom Menace. > I'm trying to avoid seeing too much of the film before it debuts on the > big screen, but I may yet succumb to my curiosity.... > > Brian > > "Wipe them out...All of them." -Darth Sideous > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com I actually have started watching ET quite religiously due to the new Star Wars, they seem to have a Star Wars Segment on each episode. But thanks, I'll watch 60 min this sunday for sure. Laj. From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Sat Mar 27 11:39:36 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:39:36 -0600 Subject: April =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=D6C=21?= Message-ID: Hi all, As most of you Cultophiles are aware, B?C will be featured on C.C. Rocks this April: http://www.mytvchannel.com/Channel6-WC/WhatsOnChannel6/CCRocksFeature.htm Which brings me to my next question; Would some one please PLEASE tape this for me, I'll trade with anybody willing to do this, or even buy a copy off 'em if I don't have anything they want to trade, I just really would like to see this show and won't get the opportunity up here in Canada. Any hey, if ya haven't done your good deed for the day yet, this could be it right here :-). Laj. From sprawl at BBOARD.COM Sat Mar 27 11:56:52 1999 From: sprawl at BBOARD.COM (Sprawl) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 11:56:52 -0500 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album.. Conan Message-ID: >On fre 26 mar 1999 20.43 -0600 "Laj Waldner" wrote: >> 1. Conan the Barbarian > > Superb! Really captured the feel of the written stuff on >film, IMO. Captured the feel? I cannot possible disagree more. I thoroughly enjoyed the movie, don't get me wrong. But it was just a mosaic of scenes cut from about 10 different Conan novels, primarily the follow-up novels by Lin Carter and L. Sprague deCamp. There were certainly portions that were loyal. But Conan was no-where near as nice a guy as Arnold portrayed. And that whole Thulsa-Doom hippie thing was embarrassing as hell! ;) I would like to see them create a movie based on Robert Howard's Hour of the Dragon. But use an unknown for the lead. Someone a little more feral than Arnold. RJ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Mar 27 12:10:28 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 17:10:28 +0000 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album.. Conan Message-ID: On l?r 27 mar 1999 11.56 -0500 Sprawl wrote: > Captured the feel? I cannot possible disagree more. Really? Well, maybe I had a different take on the written stories. I got the same vibe from them as I got from the movie-- the cheezy swords and sorcery stuff :) Yeah, it was pastiche, but that's kinda what I expected. Ah well. Context again? I had read some Conan, saw the film, read more Conan. It was a long time ago. Destroyer on the other hand, I found humourous, but nothing like the books. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Mar 27 13:04:52 1999 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 13:04:52 -0500 Subject: tBS: Hole in the head Message-ID: >Ok, now MAYBE this was mentioned before and maybe I just wasn't paying >attention (I'll admit, I read my digests pre-work, and therefore >pre-coffee, so it may have slipped by my slitted morning eyes), but does >anyone know what the sam scratch this is all about? Feel free to ninny >bomb me (with 4 part harmony and feeling) if I missed something obvious. I don't know anything about this. I know Ripe and Ready registered us with a company that makes custon CD and pays on a per song basis. But I forgot what it's called. I'll be sure to checkl this out. Thanks Al From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Mar 27 13:06:14 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 13:06:14 EST Subject: OFF: Obscurities Message-ID: In a message dated 3/27/99 8:01:34 AM, drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM writes: << This is kinda the point I tried to make awhile back. I could never understand how people could PURPOSELY like or dislike something. Now, maybe I'm wrong and maybe it's all just a coincidence, but it really does seem that so many people here can "force" themselves to like something just because nobody else has ever heard of it. >> hmmm..."purposely liking".... if i'm an 11 yr. old girl (unlikely) and all of my 11 yr. old girlfriends go for duran duran, which groovin' combo is very, very likely my favorite? hmmm..."purposely disliking"... personally, i'm a bitch...there are a variety of possible reasons extraneous to the actual music (aescetic/political/etc.) which could contribute to my "underappreciation" ....i like what i like but i aint no easy sell... hmmm... "forcing oneself to like something due to its obscurity" ... not sure i can comment on that w/o an ensuing commotion (GRIN) "<>" lb From mordru at FLITE.NET Sat Mar 27 14:17:30 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 14:17:30 -0500 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album.. Conan In-Reply-To: <00ec01be7872$d0c922c0$b5a48fcc@random> Message-ID: At 11:56 AM 3/27/99 -0500, you wrote: >>On fre 26 mar 1999 20.43 -0600 "Laj Waldner" wrote: >>> 1. Conan the Barbarian >> >> Superb! Really captured the feel of the written stuff on >>film, IMO. > >Captured the feel? I cannot possible disagree more. I thoroughly enjoyed >the movie, don't get me wrong. But it was just a mosaic of scenes cut from >about 10 different Conan novels, primarily the follow-up novels by Lin >Carter and L. Sprague deCamp. There were certainly portions that were >loyal. But Conan was no-where near as nice a guy as Arnold portrayed. And >that whole Thulsa-Doom hippie >thing was embarrassing as hell! ;) Ah, I didn't mind it. I thought all the non-Arnold actors did a great job. Even Sven Ole Thorsen... I love Basil Poledouris' soundtrack, I have the CD and use it now and then.... Ever notice who wrote the script for Conan? John Milius (the director) has co-credit, but the other name is fascinating..... Oliver Stone. When you look at the genre, there's not that much else out there that is done with that level of production values.... I'd rate Excalibur as my top pick in the genre... after that I'm not sure I can think of one done better than the first Conan movie. (don't even mention the second one around me, though...) ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Mar 27 15:27:07 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 15:27:07 EST Subject: OFF: The Brain/Grenas Message-ID: In a message dated 99-03-27 05:07:30 EST, you write: << Hey, what exactly _is_ The Brain? A Grenas project of some sort I see, but who's in it? ---Just Grenas and Fox, w/a bunch of electronic toys, moogs, etc. It's a lot of ambient fun! Apparently similar in style to the old Cluster, but I've heard little of that myself. IMO, it's as good as any of his other projects, and quite distinct from those, too. This album was released in '96, though, so it's not as recent as the following... That Grenas boy never ceases to amaze me; over these last two years he's put out a Pressurehed album, an Anubian Lights album, a Farflung album (which is the business - current leader of the starfield no problems), half a Chrome album (playing the part of Damon Edge), and presumably this, and I understand there's another Pressurehed in the works as I type. Why can't Hawkwind match that sort of productivity, eh? ---And quality! Amen to that, brother... Chuck Yours all, Jon From artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM Sat Mar 27 16:40:29 1999 From: artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM (Gary Davis) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 16:40:29 -0500 Subject: Morgenstein/Sherinian IRC Chat!!! Message-ID: Hi, folks: Although not BOC/Hawkwind related, I thought some of you might be interested to know that The Artist Shop and Talk City are co-hosting an IRC Chat with drummer Rod Morgenstein and keyboardist Derek Sherinian of the band Platypus on Sunday, March 28 at 3pm eastern/12 noon pacific. Platypus has just released their debut album on Velvel records called When Pus Comes to Shove. Rod has an extensive background as one of the founding members of the extremely influential Dixie Dregs. He was also a part of Winger and more recently the Rudess Morgenstein Project. Derek's background is with Dream Theater and, prior to that, about 10 years with Alice Cooper. The other members of Platypus include John Myung, bassist and stick player for Dream Theater, and guitarist/vocalist Ty Tabor of King's X. Rod and Derek will be taking questions on their new band and what's in store for the future of Platypus. Full details on joining this chat (plus a graphic and soundbite for the Platypus album!) are at . Do not wait till the last minute to check it out as you might get left out. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop.com phone: 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm From sprawl at BBOARD.COM Sun Mar 28 00:55:06 1999 From: sprawl at BBOARD.COM (Sprawl) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 00:55:06 -0500 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album.. Conan Message-ID: On lvr 27 mar 1999 11.56 -0500 Sprawl wrote: > Captured the feel? I cannot possible disagree more. I chose the wrong words here. I do not diasagree with you. I lament the incontinuity of the story line. I would have preferred to see a single story brought to life, instead of the most dramatic parts of several being toned down and pieced together. > Really? Well, maybe I had a different take on the written >stories. I got the same vibe from them as I got from the movie-- >the cheezy swords and sorcery stuff :) Yeah, it was pastiche, >but that's kinda what I expected. Ah well. Context again? >I had read some Conan, saw the film, read more Conan. It was >a long time ago. As I remember the Conan novels... (the only books I HAVEN'T read are those by Robert Jordan) they were very dark and Lovecraftian. With good reason, Robert Howard and HP Lovecraft were in fairly constant contact, sharing ideas. I had read all of the stories before the movie came out. I saved EVERY clipping and reference to it that I could find. I was a total freak. I guess it is no small wonder that I was ... disappointed. > Destroyer on the other hand, I found humourous, but nothing >like the books. Funny.. this one actually followed a complete original story... to a point. Again, under-played. Should have been several shades darker, and with very little "fun." -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From sprawl at BBOARD.COM Sun Mar 28 00:58:42 1999 From: sprawl at BBOARD.COM (Sprawl) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 00:58:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album.. Conan Message-ID: >Ah, I didn't mind it. I thought all the non-Arnold actors did a great job. >Even Sven Ole Thorsen... I agree on that. Only complaint is Arnold's lack of "IN YER FACE" Fire. > >I love Basil Poledouris' soundtrack, I have the CD and use it now and then.... Yeah, I liked that too. >Ever notice who wrote the script for Conan? John Milius (the director) has >co-credit, but the other name is fascinating..... Oliver Stone. Noticed, but don't normally pay much attention to that end of things. >When you look at the genre, there's not that much else out there that is done >with that level of production values.... I'd rate Excalibur as my top pick >in the genre... after that I'm not sure I can think of one done better than >the first Conan movie. (don't even mention the second one around me, >though...) Excalibur Kicked ass. Nah.. I can't really think of anything either. From joe.e at TELIA.COM Sun Mar 28 01:46:33 1999 From: joe.e at TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 08:46:33 +0200 Subject: HW - Video "VHS to DVD" Message-ID: hawkman said: >And one more question...Is there anyone else who has a >copy of "Urban Guerilla", the French CD release of the >"Bring me the Head of Yuri Gagarin" Album? > >I'd like to buy a few copies if anyone knows where >some can be had. while torgo told us in a completely different issue: >http://www.cddb.com/ > >They claim to be able to track down ANY CD from ANY band, and say "go >ahead, try and stump us", so for shits and giggles I typed in THE BRAIN >SURGEONS. It had the 4 tBS releases, plus........ > >?Brain Surgeons / Hole in the Head I checked the Hawkwind section at the www.cddb.com, and the database had 89 of hawk cd:s. I browsed thru them, and nothing special was there - until I found the Yuri Gagarin clone "Hawkwind / Les G?nies Du Rock - Urban Guerilla". which was a bit unexpected. It's a pity they don't store and sell the items too... I have it, but as you know it's not for sale. .joe >Thanks, >Hawkman. From mordru at FLITE.NET Sun Mar 28 03:06:02 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 03:06:02 -0500 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album.. Conan In-Reply-To: <027001be78df$90c014a0$b5a48fcc@random> Message-ID: At 12:55 AM 3/28/99 -0500, you wrote: >On lvr 27 mar 1999 11.56 -0500 Sprawl wrote: I would have preferred to see a single >story >brought to life, instead of the most dramatic parts of several being toned >down and pieced together. >(Destroyer) >Funny.. this one actually followed a complete original story... to a >point. Again, under-played. >Should have been several shades darker, and with very little "fun." Um, are you saying you preferred Destroyer to Barbarian? eh. Barbarian is far superior. In being aware of the stories from which scenes were lifted, you probably seperated them plot-wise. I find the overall story in the sense of coming full circle with Thulsa Doom held together well enough. I didn't read the stories until after I'd seen the movie. Milius had originally envisioned a trilogy, with three themes, the theme of the first one (Barbarian) was "Strength". (I think the last was supposed to be "Death"). Conan the Destroyer was not directed by Milius, he left after feuding with Dino Delaurentis, and has no central theme at all. It had lame attempts at humor and was never able to lose itself in the ambience and spectable like the first movie. Wilt Chamberlain was notable in being one of the few people they could've gotten to be a believable adversery for Schwarzennegger in a brawling match. Going cheaper on location (Barbarian was filmed in Spain, Destroyer in Mexico) also hurt Destroyer, you don't get those wonderful old walled cities in Mexico. BTW, among other things that Milius fought with DeLaurentis was that on the first movie, Dino wanted a "pop" score, and Milius had to fight tooth and nail to get Poledouris and a full orchestral score... The downward slide finished with "Red Sonja", by which point the dialogue had gotten so bad it was painful. ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sun Mar 28 03:18:30 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 03:18:30 EST Subject: HW/OFF: Chuck's Playlist Message-ID: Hello, people. First a few personal notes: Jerry: Much thanks for the copy of AI, beautiful work! FYI, my show is on from 9-11 pm PST, every _other_ Sat. Since today (3/27) was my debut, I'll be on again the Sat after the next. I'll try to notify everyone as soon as (and if) I get a reg. spot. Marshall: Rec'd the National Steam CD today--much thanks again! The playlist: 1. Hawkwind--Earth Calling/Born to Go (Space Ritual) 2. Amon Duul II--Wie der Wind am Ende einer Strasse (Wolf City) 3. Anubian Lights--South of Dashur (Let Not the Flame Die Out) 4. Pressurehed--Title track of Explaining the Unexplained (which I really need!) 5. Can--Vitamin C (Ege Bamyasi) 6. The Brain--Rust/Light Years (Access & Amplify) 7. Hawkwind--Shade Gate/Rocky Paths (Live Chronicles) 8. Gong--Fohat Digs Holes in Space (Camembert Electrique--for Keith; good pick, man!) 9. Electric Orange--Electrippity 99 (Orange Communication) 10. Sundial--Yantra Jam (Acid Yantra) 11. Quarkspace--Air (Live Orion; just got this, great song!) 12. Fripp/Eno--Wind on Water (Evening Star) 13. Ashra Tempel--Darkness: Flowers Must Die (Schwingungen) 14. Ozric Tentacles--Tidal Convergence (Erpland) 15. Zero Gravity--Stonehenge Revisited/NRG (Space Does Not Care) 16. Hawkwind--Magnu/Angels of Death (Acid Daze/Anthology) Thanks again for everybody's support; I think this will be a very exciting voyage, Chuck From sprawl at BBOARD.COM Sun Mar 28 03:20:03 1999 From: sprawl at BBOARD.COM (Sprawl) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 03:20:03 -0500 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album.. Conan Message-ID: > Um, are you saying you preferred Destroyer to Barbarian? eh. Nope. Definitely not. I own a copy, but hated the movie. Enjoyed the book, tho'. > Barbarian is far superior. Agreed. > In being aware of the stories from which scenes were lifted, > you probably seperated them plot-wise. I find the overall story > in the sense of coming full circle with Thulsa Doom held together > well enough. I didn't read the stories until after I'd seen the > movie. Well, that last probably made a galaxy of difference. I am glad I didn't read Jurassic Park before seeing the movie. The problem I had with the movie was rooted entirely of what I was expecting vs. what we got. Had I been less familiar with the books, I probably would be 100% on the movie. > Conan the Destroyer was not directed by Milius, he left after feuding > with Dino Delaurentis, and has no central theme at all. Yeah, it pretty much seemed like a "franchise" effort. > It had lame attempts at humor and was never able to lose itself in the ambience > and spectable like the first movie. Franchise... > Wilt Chamberlain was notable in > being one of the few people they could've gotten to be a believable > adversery for Schwarzennegger in a brawling match. Yeah! > Going cheaper > on location (Barbarian was filmed in Spain, Destroyer in Mexico) > also hurt Destroyer, you don't get those wonderful old walled cities > in Mexico. Definitely. > The downward slide finished with "Red Sonja", by which point the > dialogue had gotten so bad it was painful. Are you talking about that movie? Awful. Pathetic. From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sun Mar 28 04:41:14 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 04:41:14 EST Subject: BOC: Video at E-bay Message-ID: FROM NG: Subject: FA:Blue Oyster Cult-Memphis April 1998 From: "Chris Pipkins" Date: Wed, Mar 24, 1999 23:03 EST Message-id: <7dccqf$9dc2$3 at newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> I have a RARE Blue Oyster Cult video for auction at eBay. For a list of the video's contents, and see actual captures from the video, click below. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=coude Last Chance Music From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sun Mar 28 05:05:40 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 05:05:40 EST Subject: HW: CDs FS Message-ID: FROM NG: Subject: Hawkwind cd's for sale! From: progfan at webtv.net (Jerry Ritz) Date: Sat, Mar 20, 1999 10:29 EST Message-id: <22784-36F3BEBC-17 at newsd-242.iap.bryant.webtv.net> -This is hawkwind do not panic -Space bandits -Out and intake -Hawkwind (Debut cd) -Doremi fasol latido -Hawklords live -Live 1979 -Levitation -It is the business of the future... -Undisclosed files addendum All in mint condition! First $60 takes them all! Please email if you need any info THANKS From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sun Mar 28 05:17:17 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 05:17:17 EST Subject: BOC: Workshop of the Telescopes FS Message-ID: Subject: FS: CDs (metal/rock/alt/prog) From: "Gary M. Gettier" Date: Sun, Mar 14, 1999 22:53 EST Message-id: <36EC841F.D46BD9F2 at erols.com> These CDs are for sale or trade. Send me your trade lists. Blue Oyster Cult | Workshop Of The Telescopes (2 CD) | CD | $13.00 From plamotte at SKYNET.BE Sun Mar 28 07:56:07 1999 From: plamotte at SKYNET.BE (Po) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 13:56:07 +0100 Subject: Head Mix Collective Gig ! Message-ID: Communiqu? de presse Vendredi 16 avril 1999 (A Garlic Auction of Gaze Stupefaction) & Indica Sound happily welcome HEAD MIX COLLECTIVE (uk / dub dance) + SPIRAL SON (b / indian vibes) + INDICA SOUND SYSTEM party (Dany & Gulu DJ's) Head Mix Collective est sans conteste l'un des groupes majeurs de la sc?ne alternative anglaise actuelle, se produisant dans les festivals comme ? Glastonbury, o? leur passage provoque toujours l'enthousiasme du public envahi par leur dub ethno celtique ?nergique. ? l'image de Zion Train ou d'Afro Celt Sound System qui ont r?cemment remix? plusieurs chansons du groupe, Head Mix Collective est en route pour devenir la prochaine sensation du monde de la dub dance ! 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Again, under-played. > Should have been several shades darker, and with very little "fun." Several? ;) Many :) The tone of "Destroyer" hit me all wrong. Original storyline don't mean a darn when it's _executed_ like that. I've heard a lot of lame covers of good tunes (to get vaguely back on topic :) and Destroyer was one of them. Also drifting back closer to topic, my first and favorite swords and sorcery stuff was Fritz Lieber's, which I note has been republished with intros by Moorcock. Yeah, I realize FL was much later, but youngling that I am I lump it all together :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Mar 28 07:20:25 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 12:20:25 +0000 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album.. Conan Message-ID: On s?n 28 mar 1999 00.58 -0500 Sprawl wrote: >>When you look at the genre, there's not that much else out there that is >>done >>with that level of production values.... I'd rate Excalibur as my top pick >>in the genre... after that I'm not sure I can think of one done better than >>the first Conan movie. (don't even mention the second one around me, >>though...) > > Excalibur Kicked ass. Nah.. I can't really think of anything either. Well, you want good fantasy films, you leave Hollywood and go to Hong Kong! :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Mar 28 07:23:17 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 12:23:17 +0000 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album.. Conan Message-ID: On s?n 28 mar 1999 03.06 -0500 "Andrew Apold" wrote: > BTW, among other things that Milius fought with DeLaurentis was that > on the first movie, Dino wanted a "pop" score, and Milius had to > fight tooth and nail to get Poledouris and a full orchestral score... I can scarcely imagine the level of stupidity required to urge a pop score for such a film! Cheers, Carl ObTrack: BOC, "Black Blade" :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Mar 28 13:02:16 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 13:02:16 EST Subject: OFF: That one obscure album.. Conan Message-ID: not that i have anything to say re: conan, but it's been intriguing to hear conan discussed w/o any mention of the marvel comics which have borne his name... for those whose reference for conan is the howard material, looking at the movies with dismay, let's assume the marvel comic was more of a reference point for the movie(s), especially by the time you've gotten to RED SONJA... "<>" lb From sprawl at BBOARD.COM Sun Mar 28 13:10:48 1999 From: sprawl at BBOARD.COM (Sprawl) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 13:10:48 -0500 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album.. Conan Message-ID: > Also drifting back closer to topic, my first and favorite > swords and sorcery stuff was Fritz Lieber's, which I note has > been republished with intros by Moorcock. Yeah, I realize FL was > much later, but youngling that I am I lump it all together :) > > Cheers, > Carl I loved Fafhrd and the Mouser, too! But they weren't -that- much later... ;) I believe they were late 30's early 40's? The first Conan Novel was about 1932. Rj From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Mar 28 13:43:46 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 19:43:46 +0100 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album.. Conan Message-ID: On s?n 28 mar 1999 13.10 -0500 Sprawl wrote: > I loved Fafhrd and the Mouser, too! But they weren't -that- much later... > ;) > I believe they were late 30's early 40's? Ah, were they? My sense was that Lieber wrote later, but maybe that's because he was alive longer than Howard! I've never owned the books, but my local library had them all when I was growing up. Classic. Now there's some stuff that could make superb films. Must get meself back on topic :) Cheers, Carl ObCD: _Live Chronicles_ -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Sun Mar 28 14:15:33 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 13:15:33 -0600 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album.. Conan Message-ID: Andrew Apold wrote: > > At 11:56 AM 3/27/99 -0500, you wrote: > >>On fre 26 mar 1999 20.43 -0600 "Laj Waldner" wrote: > >>> 1. Conan the Barbarian > >> > >> Superb! Really captured the feel of the written stuff on > >>film, IMO. > > > >Captured the feel? I cannot possible disagree more. I thoroughly enjoyed > >the movie, don't get me wrong. But it was just a mosaic of scenes cut from > >about 10 different Conan novels, primarily the follow-up novels by Lin > >Carter and L. Sprague deCamp. There were certainly portions that were > >loyal. But Conan was no-where near as nice a guy as Arnold portrayed. And > >that whole Thulsa-Doom hippie > >thing was embarrassing as hell! ;) > > Ah, I didn't mind it. I thought all the non-Arnold actors did a great job. > Even Sven Ole Thorsen... > > I love Basil Poledouris' soundtrack, I have the CD and use it now and then.... > > Ever notice who wrote the script for Conan? John Milius (the director) has > co-credit, but the other name is fascinating..... Oliver Stone. > > When you look at the genre, there's not that much else out there that is done > with that level of production values.... I'd rate Excalibur as my top pick > in the genre... after that I'm not sure I can think of one done better than > the first Conan movie. (don't even mention the second one around me, > though...) > > ============================= > "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to > be subject to the works of those mighty > among dreamers." > > - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" > > Andrew Apold I think I would also give honorable mention to Willow, The Princess Bride, Brave Heart, and Highlander. Quite true, Excalibur was flawless in every regard, the story was perfect, and so was the casting (especially Merlin!). Laj. From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Mar 28 14:19:40 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 14:19:40 EST Subject: OFF: That one obscure album.. Conan Message-ID: In a message dated 3/28/99 1:14:24 PM, sprawl at BBOARD.COM writes: <> i thought conan had come out of the "pulps" of that era; that the howard stuff first appeared in that sort of publication...like the shadow/doc savage/zorro/etc. lb From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Sun Mar 28 15:05:46 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 14:05:46 -0600 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album.. Conan Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > On s?n 28 mar 1999 00.58 -0500 Sprawl wrote: > >>When you look at the genre, there's not that much else out there that is > >>done > >>with that level of production values.... I'd rate Excalibur as my top > pick > >>in the genre... after that I'm not sure I can think of one done better > than > >>the first Conan movie. (don't even mention the second one around me, > >>though...) > > > > Excalibur Kicked ass. Nah.. I can't really think of anything either. > > Well, you want good fantasy films, you leave Hollywood and > go to Hong Kong! :) > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic > St. John's College, University of Cambridge > mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk > http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ That reminds me of a pretty good Japanese Martial Arts picture called "Snake in the Monkeys Shadow"(that's got to be obscure). The story goes as follows, it's been a while since I've seen it though so there might be a few mistakes; Two evil Snake style masters travel to a martial arts school to kill it's master, which they do, and one of his students has to avenge his death (ya pretty generic here but it gets better!). Anyway at the end of the movie our hero (who was trained in Monkey Style), was getting his ass kicked by the two snake style masters, but during the battle he sees his pet monkey attacking a snake and he starts emulating it's maneuvers, the camera then shoots back and forth showing first the monkey and the snake, then the monkey master and the snake masters duel, where the monkey master was emulating his pet monkeys attack on the snake, which helps him eventually defeat the snake masters YAAAAAAAAAAA!. The movie was dubbed, and the plot was pretty generic, but the martial art sequences were choreographed really well, and the way he triumphs at the end, good movie. Laj. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Mar 28 15:25:10 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 21:25:10 +0100 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album.. Conan Message-ID: On s?n 28 mar 1999 14.05 -0600 "Laj Waldner" wrote: > That reminds me of a pretty good Japanese Martial Arts picture > called "Snake in the Monkeys Shadow"(that's got to be obscure). Is that Japanese? I thought it was Chinese--though perhaps I'm becoming confused with _Snake in the Eagle's Shadow_. Most of the Japanese fantasy-oriented films I know are animated. HK started turning out some really top-notch fantasy stuff as the 80s progressed. Everyone has become familiar with Jackie Chan and John Woo, but a lot of the other HK stuff is only now becoming better known outside its fan-base. The fantasy stuff draws on a rich tradition of folk-belief and historical legend which really transcends anything probably _possible_ in the West. The average Westerner simply don't have access to the equivalent kind of tradition anymore. We end up having to synthesize entirely new traditions (Star Wars, etc.) because the old ones aren't well-known enough to be productive--even Robin Hood and Arthurian stuff, even Westerns (our closest equivalents) don't match up. Right, the folklorist will shut up now, really (I keep saying this, don't I? ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From sprawl at BBOARD.COM Sun Mar 28 15:55:42 1999 From: sprawl at BBOARD.COM (Sprawl) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 15:55:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album.. Conan Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Sunday, March 28, 1999 2:19 PM Subject: Re: OFF: That one obscure album.. Conan > In a message dated 3/28/99 1:14:24 PM, sprawl at BBOARD.COM writes: > > <> > > i thought conan had come out of the "pulps" of that era; that the howard stuff > first appeared in that sort of publication...like the shadow/doc > savage/zorro/etc. > > lb I believe you are right. Guess I shouldn't have said Novel.... ;) From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Sun Mar 28 16:22:05 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 15:22:05 -0600 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album.. Conan Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > On s?n 28 mar 1999 14.05 -0600 "Laj Waldner" wrote: > > That reminds me of a pretty good Japanese Martial Arts picture > > called "Snake in the Monkeys Shadow"(that's got to be obscure). > > Is that Japanese? I thought it was Chinese--though perhaps > I'm becoming confused with _Snake in the Eagle's Shadow_. Good question, I really don't know for sure, could very well be. Just rented it, watched it, and returned it. Though I may rent it again :-). > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic > St. John's College, University of Cambridge > mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk > http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sun Mar 28 16:48:20 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 16:48:20 EST Subject: OFF: Pink Faries Message-ID: I just ordered the Pink Faries CD "Do It", from CDNow. I hope this wasn't one of the "bad" ones? It looked like early stuff, mostly live, so I figured I couldn't go wrong, but I indeed never got actual recording dates. Whaddaya think? Chuck From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Mar 28 18:43:03 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 00:43:03 +0100 Subject: OFF: Pink Faries In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 28 Mar 1999, Chuck Rosenberg wrote: > I just ordered the Pink Faries CD "Do It", from CDNow. I hope this wasn't one > of the "bad" ones? It looked like early stuff, mostly live, so I figured I > couldn't go wrong, but I indeed never got actual recording dates. I believe 'Do It' is a collection of live EPs, one of which is the excellent Glastonbury Fayre stuff, one of which is from their 1975 reunion, and one of which is a not-quite-Pink-Fairies gig under the name of Twink and the Fairies from 1977. I don't know what the last is like, but the Glastonbury Fayre stuff is great! And from the same fair as the Hawkwind Glastonbury premier of 'Silver Machine', to keep some topic here. The 1975 stuff is I believe also not bad. But it may be a different CD I'm thinking of :-) I'm sure someone will tell us more... Yours, Jon -- /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | =====================================================================| | "Probability level 1 to 1. We have normality, I repeat, we have | | normality. Anything you still can't deal with is therefore your own | \_________________________ problem." ______________________________/ \_____________/ From crow at ASCENT.NET Sun Mar 28 21:06:26 1999 From: crow at ASCENT.NET (crow) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 21:06:26 -0500 Subject: OFF:catching up on some threads Message-ID: I've been out of things lately, existing mostly on excedrin and mt. dew. But here I am nearly alive and almost well. I'm waiting for 2 HW cd's I ordered from amazon. Sonic Attack & Chronicle of the Black Sword should be here in the next day or 2. Not sure what I'm getting myself into. Picked up King's X "ear candy" and "Alice Cooper goes to Hell" yesterday. Both great albums in their own right. Cooper does a "unique" cover of the 1918 song "I'm always chasing Rainbows". Twisted but nice. Torgo, look for a package to be dropped off at work. The Ghost in the Ruins should watch his snail-mail. crow -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mordru at FLITE.NET Mon Mar 29 08:06:11 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 08:06:11 -0500 Subject: OFF: Favorite Twisted Covers Message-ID: >the Norwegian lunatic ?ysten Sundes a capella of "You Really Got Me" - in a >pure domestic "N? Har Du F?tt Meg" is an absolute favorite. > >another Nordic goodie is the Mobile Whorehouse's rap'n metal version of >"Iron (Wo)Man" with additional lyrics sung by the Iron Womans. >It's just... amazing. When I first heard that one it was bad enough, but when I tried to play it for some friends I was literally assaulted with everything lying on the floor of my car... ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Mar 29 09:24:35 1999 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:24:35 +0800 Subject: HW: At last - some NEWS! In-Reply-To: <7116802.3131375628@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > > - HW are supposed to do the soundtrack for the next series of Babylon 5. > > Dude, you have *got* to be kidding me! That's just too far out. > Is this the 'Crusades' spin-off which has apparantly now been canned, after they finished filming 11 episodes? I read somewhere that it will still been screened, though! William From mordru at FLITE.NET Mon Mar 29 09:34:53 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:34:53 -0500 Subject: HW: At last - some NEWS! Message-ID: >> > - HW are supposed to do the soundtrack for the next series of Babylon 5. >> >> Dude, you have *got* to be kidding me! That's just too far out. >> >Is this the 'Crusades' spin-off which has apparantly now been canned, after >they finished filming 11 episodes? >I read somewhere that it will still been screened, though! 13 episodes. And TNT as still apparently going to air those 13 episodes. ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Mar 29 09:52:21 1999 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:52:21 +0800 Subject: Cybotron (was That one obscure album...) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi there I seem to recall hearing that Cybotron supported Tangerine Dream back in the early 70's, during the latter's first Australian tour? William From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Mar 29 09:53:13 1999 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:53:13 +0100 Subject: OFF: B5 Crusade (was Re: HW: At last - some NEWS!) In-Reply-To: <199903291434.JAA25362@in.flite.net> Message-ID: At 09:34 29/03/99 -0500, Andrew A. Apold wrote: >>Is this the 'Crusades' spin-off which has apparantly now been canned, after >>they finished filming 11 episodes? >>I read somewhere that it will still been screened, though! > >13 episodes. And TNT as still apparently going to air those 13 episodes. So why was it canned? Dave. Languages Group Manager. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Mar 29 10:07:53 1999 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 23:07:53 +0800 Subject: OFF: Favorite Twisted Covers In-Reply-To: <199903261212.HAA01138@panix3.panix.com> Message-ID: Hi there I heard a very interesting Mod file today. It was a cover of a song from The Little Mermade soundtrack. I don't remember the name of the song (which I think was by Elton John?), but this version sounded like Pink Floyd ala Echoes (and the live version of Embryo). If I find out the name of the track, and where the Mod file is, I'll let you all know. It sounded brilliant!! William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Mar 29 10:47:58 1999 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 23:47:58 +0800 Subject: B5 Crusade (was Re: HW: At last - some NEWS!) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990329155313.0126a0a0@mailhost.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: > >13 episodes. And TNT as still apparently going to air those 13 episodes. > > So why was it canned? > There's info about it all at the Outpost Gallifrey Web Page:- http://www.gallifreyone.com/ It also has info about other SF shows, including (obviously) Doctor Who. William From mordru at FLITE.NET Mon Mar 29 10:46:52 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 10:46:52 -0500 Subject: OFF: B5 Crusade (was Re: HW: At last - some NEWS!) Message-ID: >At 09:34 29/03/99 -0500, Andrew A. Apold wrote: >>>Is this the 'Crusades' spin-off which has apparantly now been canned, after >>>they finished filming 11 episodes? >>>I read somewhere that it will still been screened, though! >> >>13 episodes. And TNT as still apparently going to air those 13 episodes. > >So why was it canned? Near as I can tell TNT was upset with the direction of the show, they wanted to have some input/control on the content to more appeal to their "core audience", which apparently is more geared to wrestling fans. There were rumors about wanting skimpier outfits, etc. JMS simply said that TNT was not "Science Fiction Friendly", and that they decided to go another direciton. Warner Brothers (who owns B5) attempted to find another distributor, but Sci-Fi channel couldn't meet their price (they mostly now do only reruns and their own shows they make on the cheap, as evidenced by their canning of Mystery Science Theater 3000) and had already committed most of their budget anyways. No one else came forward, so that was that. The cast and crew were all let go to find work elsewhere, though they're under contract through July, I think, just after the shows air... there is a tiny window of opportunity should the episodes have terrific ratings in which they could all be brought back. But it would have to be truly phenomenal... ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 29 11:09:48 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:09:48 +0100 Subject: OFF: B5 Crusade (was Re: HW: At last - some NEWS!) Message-ID: On m?n 29 mar 1999 10.46 -0500 "Andrew A. Apold" wrote: > But it would have to be truly phenomenal... Too bad. B5 had its ups and downs, but was certainly my favorite series in the history American television. Another good idea bites the dust. Frankly, I think they should eat the lower budget and go where they can. The old BBC stuff which largely inspired the making of B5 looked terrible but retains its value. A HW soundtrack would have been pretty amazing! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 29 11:15:23 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:15:23 +0100 Subject: HW: track trivia Message-ID: What's that HW track with the astronaut voice over about the frozen piss drifting by the space ship? (Or so I remember it being, if I'm not halucinating?) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 29 11:22:25 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:22:25 +0100 Subject: HW: track trivia Message-ID: On m?n 29 mar 1999 17.15 +0100 "Carl Edlund Anderson" wrote: > What's that HW track with the astronaut voice over about > the frozen piss drifting by the space ship? (Or so I remember > it being, if I'm not halucinating?) Am I answering myself by guessing "Light Specific Data"? -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Mar 29 11:46:53 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:46:53 +0100 Subject: HW: track trivia In-Reply-To: <1775717.3131716523@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > What's that HW track with the astronaut voice over about > the frozen piss drifting by the space ship? (Or so I remember > it being, if I'm not halucinating?) That would be 'The Phenomenon of Luminosity' from CoH, I think; if I'm not mistaken the sample is John Glenn on the first Mercury mission (or whichever one he was on), but I could easily be wrong about that. Yours, Jon -- /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | =====================================================================| | "Probability level 1 to 1. We have normality, I repeat, we have | | normality. Anything you still can't deal with is therefore your own | \_________________________ problem." ______________________________/ \_____________/ From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Mon Mar 29 11:59:55 1999 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 10:59:55 -0600 Subject: HW: track trivia Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: multipart/alternative Size: 3189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE Mon Mar 29 11:56:12 1999 From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:56:12 +0200 Subject: HW: track trivia Message-ID: I think it's "The Phenomenon Of Luminosity". (BTW it's the voice of John Glenn on his first spaceflight in the "Friendship 7" Mercury-capsule) Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On m?n 29 mar 1999 17.15 +0100 "Carl Edlund Anderson" > wrote: > > What's that HW track with the astronaut voice over about > > the frozen piss drifting by the space ship? (Or so I remember > > it being, if I'm not halucinating?) > > Am I answering myself by guessing "Light Specific Data"? > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic > St. John's College, University of Cambridge > mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk > http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 29 12:03:04 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:03:04 +0100 Subject: HW: track trivia In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:22:25 +0100 Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > On m?n 29 mar 1999 17.15 +0100 "Carl Edlund Anderson" > wrote: > > What's that HW track with the astronaut voice over about > > the frozen piss drifting by the space ship? (Or so I remember > > it being, if I'm not halucinating?) > > Am I answering myself by guessing "Light Specific Data"? Actually the Phenomenon of Luminosity but I think it has another name. jill (who came back from holiday and had to delete her entire Hawkwind mailbox folder and start all over again from scratch....... the faint lingering aroma you can smell at this moment is the remnants of my fuming indignation) ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM Mon Mar 29 12:04:52 1999 From: mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM (Matthew Braun) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:04:52 CST Subject: tBS: Hole in the head In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 28 Mar 1999 05:01:40 CST." <199903281001.FAA01668@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: One more note about "Hole In The Head": I went to cddb.com, and neither of the places on the other side of the "buy this CD from..." links (cdnow and amazon.com) had it for sale. m@ From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 29 12:06:35 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:06:35 +0100 Subject: HW: track trivia In-Reply-To: Denis Regenbrecht's message of Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:56:12 +0200 Message-ID: Denis Regenbrecht writes: > I think it's "The Phenomenon Of Luminosity". > > (BTW it's the voice of John Glenn on his first spaceflight in the "Friendship > 7" Mercury-capsule) I've just checked the codex - it's called "Satellite" on Wierd 101 jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mwood at MY-DEJANEWS.COM Mon Mar 29 12:21:26 1999 From: mwood at MY-DEJANEWS.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:21:26 -0800 Subject: HW/OFF: Chuck's Playlist Message-ID: Sounds awesome - wish I could get radio shows like that in my area! MWood On Sun, 28 Mar 1999 03:18:30 Chuck Rosenberg wrote: >Hello, people. >First a few personal notes: > >Jerry: Much thanks for the copy of AI, beautiful work! FYI, my show is on from >9-11 pm PST, every _other_ Sat. Since today (3/27) was my debut, I'll be on >again the >Sat after the next. I'll try to notify everyone as soon as (and if) I get a >reg. spot. > >Marshall: Rec'd the National Steam CD today--much thanks again! > >The playlist: > >1. Hawkwind--Earth Calling/Born to Go (Space Ritual) >2. Amon Duul II--Wie der Wind am Ende einer Strasse (Wolf City) >3. Anubian Lights--South of Dashur (Let Not the Flame Die Out) >4. Pressurehed--Title track of Explaining the Unexplained (which I really >need!) >5. Can--Vitamin C (Ege Bamyasi) >6. The Brain--Rust/Light Years (Access & Amplify) >7. Hawkwind--Shade Gate/Rocky Paths (Live Chronicles) >8. Gong--Fohat Digs Holes in Space (Camembert Electrique--for Keith; good >pick, man!) >9. Electric Orange--Electrippity 99 (Orange Communication) >10. Sundial--Yantra Jam (Acid Yantra) >11. Quarkspace--Air (Live Orion; just got this, great song!) >12. Fripp/Eno--Wind on Water (Evening Star) >13. Ashra Tempel--Darkness: Flowers Must Die (Schwingungen) >14. Ozric Tentacles--Tidal Convergence (Erpland) >15. Zero Gravity--Stonehenge Revisited/NRG (Space Does Not Care) >16. Hawkwind--Magnu/Angels of Death (Acid Daze/Anthology) > >Thanks again for everybody's support; I think this will be a very exciting >voyage, > >Chuck > -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 29 12:35:26 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:35:26 +0100 Subject: HW: track trivia Message-ID: Ah! Thanks to the respondants! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Mon Mar 29 13:24:30 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:24:30 EST Subject: HW/OFF: SAMPLES Message-ID: In a message dated 99-03-29 11:47:14 EST, you write: << That would be 'The Phenomenon of Luminosity' from CoH, I think; if I'm not mistaken the sample is John Glenn on the first Mercury mission (or whichever one he was on), but I could easily be wrong about that. Yours, Jon >> ----This reminds me: I've been l've been listening to a lot of Zero Gravity's album "Space Does Not Care", and the 2nd to last track is called "Pre- cognition", which, from what I'm guessing, is a live authentic recording of an American (William Morris is who's credited on the liner notes) anchorman reporting the arrival of the Hindeburg to the US and the subsequent explosion. I never really new much about this incident, how it happened, when, why, etc, so I was kind of curious about that. Meanwhile, it's a very powerful track as Len Del Rio adds all these creepy wooshing sounds in the background, and cleverly called the track "Precognition", I guess because, while listening, one knows the impending disaster that's about to happen... Chuck NP: Chrome box set From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Mar 29 16:36:39 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:36:39 -0800 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album.. Conan Message-ID: On Sun, 28 Mar 1999 21:25:10 +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Is that Japanese? I thought it was Chinese ... Most >of the Japanese fantasy-oriented films I know are animated. >... The fantasy stuff draws on >a rich tradition of folk-belief and historical legend which >really transcends anything probably _possible_ in the West. >The average Westerner simply don't have access to the >equivalent kind of tradition anymore. We end up having to >synthesize entirely new traditions (Star Wars, etc.) because >the old ones aren't well-known enough to be productive--even >Robin Hood and Arthurian stuff, even Westerns (our closest >equivalents) don't match up. Carl successfully mentions the main areas of cross-fertilization between Japanese and American films, only failing to mention the most important name: Akira Kurosawa. The man's films have influenced both American Westerns ('Seven Samurai' -> 'The Magnificent Seven') AND American sci-fi ('Hidden Fortress' -> 'Star Wars'). I look forward to seeing some battle set-piece sequences in the upcoming Star Wars movie influenced by Kurosawa's 'Ran' (which, in turn, borrows from 'King Lear', just as Kurosawa borrowed from other western influences that I can't name off the top of my head). Not to mention that some of those Jedi knights portrayed in the preview look quite a bit like Samurai warriors ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 29 17:57:15 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 23:57:15 +0100 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album.. Conan Message-ID: On m?n 29 mar 1999 13.36 -0800 "Doug Pearson" wrote: > Carl successfully mentions the main areas of cross-fertilization between > Japanese and American films, only failing to mention the most important > name: Akira Kurosawa. The man's films have influenced both American > Westerns ('Seven Samurai' -> 'The Magnificent Seven') AND American sci-fi > ('Hidden Fortress' -> 'Star Wars'). I look forward to seeing some battle > set-piece sequences in the upcoming Star Wars movie influenced by > Kurosawa's 'Ran' (which, in turn, borrows from 'King Lear', just as > Kurosawa borrowed from other western influences that I can't name off the > top of my head). Not to mention that some of those Jedi knights portrayed > in the preview look quite a bit like Samurai warriors ... Could not agree more. Kurosawa is, for good or for ill, the only live action Japanese film-maker I know very well--but top notch? The man defined it (past tense, Kurosawa having died relatively recently, and the film world being the poorer for it). _Ran_ is a truly awesome film. _Rashomon Gate_ ... HK and Japan have a lot of damn fine motion picture action going on. Personally, I worry about the heavy CGI in the new Star Wars. It doesn't look that good, except on the spaceships. Those battle droids look dodgy. Ah well. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Mar 29 18:32:54 1999 From: COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK (YEE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 00:32:54 +0100 Subject: Distant Horizons - help and advice Message-ID: Today I saw "Distant Horizons" by Hawkwind I presume that its their newest studio album as its on the emergency broadcast network (their own label). Could anyone give me a quick review of it please because I'm thinking of buying it. Thanks. colm "My ass may be dumb but I ain't no dumbass" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 29 19:03:27 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 01:03:27 +0100 Subject: Distant Horizons - help and advice Message-ID: On tis 30 mar 1999 00.32 +0100 "YEE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" wrote: > Today I saw "Distant Horizons" by Hawkwind I presume that its > their newest studio album as its on the emergency broadcast > network (their own label). Could anyone give me a quick review > of it please because I'm thinking of buying it. Thanks. _DH_ is the most recent all-studio HW album (_In Your Area_ is a mix of studio and live). IMO, there are some good tracks on DH. I am not sorry to own it. However, I think it is far from the best HW album. IMO, there is too much random electronic filler and not enough space-rock. Mileage may vary and contents may settle during the first landing on Medusa ... Whether or not I would recommend it would depend on which HW albums someone already had :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From sprawl at BBOARD.COM Mon Mar 29 19:12:12 1999 From: sprawl at BBOARD.COM (Sprawl) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 19:12:12 -0500 Subject: Distant Horizons - help and advice Message-ID: It has not left my CD Player since I got it a month or two ago. I LOVE IT. ALL OF IT. There is not a bad note on it. I don't know what your tastes are like. My opinion on this is probably not a popular one, from what I have read here. But I say BUY IT. =) ----- Original Message ----- From: YEE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Monday, March 29, 1999 6:32 PM Subject: Distant Horizons - help and advice Today I saw "Distant Horizons" by Hawkwind I presume that its their newest studio album as its on the emergency broadcast network (their own label). Could anyone give me a quick review of it please because I'm thinking of buying it. Thanks. colm "My ass may be dumb but I ain't no dumbass" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Mar 29 19:25:59 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 16:25:59 -0800 Subject: Distant Horizons - help and advice Message-ID: My take on DH is that it's the first HW album where the non-Brock songs are consistently better than Dave's contributions ... I love "Wheels", "Alchemy", "Reptoid Vision" and even "Phetamine Street". Obviously, I must like the rocked-up bits more than the mellower and electronic ones! My purchasing advice is - if you already have all the previous HW studio albums, go for it! But if you don't already have all the UA era stuff, all the Calvert era/Charisma stuff, and 'Levitation', 'Chronicle of the Black Sword', 'Electric Teepee' & 'Alien4' (not to mention several fine live albums), then fill in those gaps in your collection first. I'm sure others will have similar (or different!) advice ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From sprawl at BBOARD.COM Mon Mar 29 22:10:05 1999 From: sprawl at BBOARD.COM (Sprawl) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:10:05 -0500 Subject: Distant Horizons - help and advice Message-ID: I think both Carl and myself have screwed up. I believe we were both thinking of In Yer Area! Landing on Medusa is IYA. I know I was refering to that one, not DH. Sorry! But... Dh is still good. I dint like it at first, but after getting used to it, I like it alot! From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Tue Mar 30 04:40:00 1999 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:40:00 GMT Subject: HW: track trivia Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1999-03-30 09:40 Its definitely one of the tracks on CoH and probably as someone has already stated "The Phenomenon Of Luminosity". I think the conversation in question came about either through a urine dump or a break up of a heat shield. I remember chuckling to myself when the quote came up in the Apollo 13 film. I suspect the urine dump is more feasible as the astronaut in question made it back to earth OK. I'm pretty sure that the Apollo astronauts frequently commented on the "wonders of the urine dump" as the liquid immediately froze in contact with space and formed a shower of "tiny little particles". Mark From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Mar 30 05:53:00 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:53:00 +0100 Subject: Distant Horizons - help and advice Message-ID: On m?n 29 mar 1999 22.10 -0500 Sprawl wrote: > I think both Carl and myself have screwed up. I believe we were both > thinking of In Yer Area! Landing on Medusa is IYA. I know I was refering > to that one, not DH. Sorry! Actually, I _was_ reviewing to _DH_ ... I simply a random reference to "First Landing on Medusa". I've heard a bit of _IYA_ and liked it rather better than I expected! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From SHLL at NOVO.DK Tue Mar 30 08:55:57 1999 From: SHLL at NOVO.DK (SHLL) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:55:57 +0100 Subject: HW: BBC Archives CD Message-ID: Hej, Saw this CD called Hawkwind- BBC Archives listed at CD Zone? ANyone know what the hell this one is.. At least the Dawn of HW sounds like it could be promising but... how many damn compilations came out last year?? SCott ObCD- Dark SUn- Feed your Mind From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Mar 30 08:42:08 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:42:08 +0100 Subject: OFF: Godspeed You Black Emperor! In-Reply-To: <000301be7813$024c0200$0100007f@default> Message-ID: In article <000301be7813$024c0200$0100007f at default>, Andy Gilham writes >Southern Studios (who handle Kranky stuff in the UK) list this for release >April 12, so I can't comment, although "intensely beautiful" is fair cop for >their (outstanding) album, _f#a#oo_. > >Anyway, that's *my* obscure fave (as if I haven't banged on about 'em enough >already :) > >- Andy No, I've changed my mind. The best-album-ever-that's-no-one's-heard-of is the KAK album. One fantastic LP, then they split, leaving music forever. Go figure. -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Mar 30 04:12:31 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:12:31 +0100 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album.. Conan In-Reply-To: <027001be78df$90c014a0$b5a48fcc@random> Message-ID: In article <027001be78df$90c014a0$b5a48fcc at random>, Sprawl writes > >Should have been several shades darker, and with very little "fun." exactly. -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Mar 30 04:10:58 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:10:58 +0100 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album.. Conan In-Reply-To: <00ec01be7872$d0c922c0$b5a48fcc@random> Message-ID: In article <00ec01be7872$d0c922c0$b5a48fcc at random>, Sprawl writes >Captured the feel? I cannot possible disagree more. I thoroughly enjoyed >the movie, don't get me wrong. But it was just a mosaic of scenes cut from >about 10 different Conan novels, primarily the follow-up novels by Lin >Carter and L. Sprague deCamp. There were certainly portions that were >loyal. But Conan was no-where near as nice a guy as Arnold portrayed. And >that whole Thulsa-Doom hippie >thing was embarrassing as hell! ;) I would like to have seen Conan filmed in South America, in black and white, by "Eraserhead"-era David Lynch. Just a thought. -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Mar 30 04:01:27 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:01:27 +0100 Subject: OFF: Godspeed You Black Emperor! In-Reply-To: <000301be7813$024c0200$0100007f@default> Message-ID: In article <000301be7813$024c0200$0100007f at default>, Andy Gilham writes > >Anyway, that's *my* obscure fave (as if I haven't banged on about 'em enough >already :) Faintly Blowing / Kaleidoscope. Either this or their other release "Tangerine Dream". Nearly as good as Piper At The Gates Of Dawn. (This album came out years before a certain German electronic outfit borrowed the name.) -- Jon From chip at PCC.COM Tue Mar 30 09:20:21 1999 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:20:21 -0500 Subject: OFF: Obscure Album - Last Crack In-Reply-To: <645424.3131740635@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> from "Carl Edlund Anderson" at Mar 29, 99 11:57:15 pm Message-ID: My favorite relatively unknown album is Last Crack's "Burning Time." Great production, fun musicianship, and a good front man. Plus, I like the lyrics. Al B was kind enough to make a copy of their first album for me, as both it and Burning Time are OOP. I don't know who I'd compare them to - their "sound" would be familiar to anyone in the Mind Funk/Dream Theater vein, but they are quite different. -- Chip Hart * chip @ pcc.com Physicians's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 1 Main Street * Work:800-722-7708 Winooski, VT 05404 * Fax: 802-846-8178 From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Mar 30 10:21:51 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 16:21:51 +0100 Subject: Distant Horizons - help and advice In-Reply-To: <007701be7a3c$7c5c4200$b03b883e@Colm.bton.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Mar 1999, YEE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wrote: > Today I saw "Distant Horizons" by Hawkwind I presume that its their newest studio album as its on the emergency broadcast network (their own label). Could anyone give me a quick review of it please because I'm thinking of buying it. Thanks. Got it playing as we speak, actually - last studio but one, 1997 - there are four good tracks on it and a lot of random synth widdling including a vocals-free mix of the 'Love in Space' single edit. Suffers heavily from Brock not really being arsed to do much but showcases Ron and Jerry quite well. I'd say get it, but not if there's other things you want urgently first. 6-7/10. Yours, Jon P.S. oh, and the artwork's truly poor. -- /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | =====================================================================| | "Probability level 1 to 1. We have normality, I repeat, we have | | normality. Anything you still can't deal with is therefore your own | \_________________________ problem." ______________________________/ \_____________/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Mar 30 10:41:56 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 16:41:56 +0100 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: <209910.3130941557@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Mar 1999, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Gee, and I thought "Shot Down in the Night" was *excellent* :) > while I found "Lighthouse" sort of a non-event. That said, I > thought the "Brainstorm" on _Live 79_ was extrordinarily lame. > But, as Steve S. points out, the "Silver Machine" has an excellent > start before, sadly, it blows up! Funny, I think that 'Brainstorm' is one of the best - builds into rhythmic trance very nicely. Not exactly blanga, but as close as you can get with an essentially NWOBHM line-up. But then it was on the first Hawkwind record I ever owned ('Spirit of the Age' comp. on Elite) so I may well be foolishly attached to it... Yours, Jon > I certainly didn't like the album enough to bring it to > the UK with me though. I've got the early stuff, the recent > stuff, a Calvert comp, and (Andy's favorite ;) _Live Chronicles_ :) Ha - I got a doom-fan to buy 'Live Chronicles' the other day! One of my greatest victories. His expression of torture as he admitted he liked it rivalled that of the Prince of Melnibone himself... Yours, Jon -- /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | =====================================================================| | "Probability level 1 to 1. We have normality, I repeat, we have | | normality. Anything you still can't deal with is therefore your own | \_________________________ problem." ______________________________/ \_____________/ From micci at SCI.FI Tue Mar 30 11:12:33 1999 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:12:33 +0300 Subject: HW: BBC Archives CD Message-ID: Hi Scott and everybody else too! Scott wrote: >Saw this CD called Hawkwind- BBC Archives listed at CD Zone? ANyone know >what the hell this one is.. At least the Dawn of HW sounds like it could be >promising but... how many damn compilations came out last year?? CD Services katalog mention this item: BBC Sessions1. Album of previously unreleased BBC recordings scheduled for an end of March release, but it still had not been 100% confirmed ObCD:Farflung-Belief Module Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Mar 30 12:45:49 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 18:45:49 +0100 Subject: HW: BBC Archives CD In-Reply-To: <199903301612.TAA18726@pefletti.saunalahti.fi> Message-ID: > > CD Services katalog mention this item: BBC Sessions1. Album of previously > unreleased BBC recordings scheduled for an end of March release, but it > still had not been 100% confirmed CDZone are listing it for an April 16th release, at what looks like a budget price (?8.91). They've also got _Dawn of Hawkwind_ as an April 1st release (which may be appropriate :) - Andy ObCD: The Visitors - _Visitation '79_ mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From adawson at CLARA.NET Tue Mar 30 12:54:52 1999 From: adawson at CLARA.NET (Andrew Dawson) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 18:54:52 +0100 Subject: HW: The Bottom Line Club,New York Message-ID: Hi folks, I recently recieved an E-Mail from a guy asking about any info on the Botton Line Club, the place not the album. As I know naff all about it I wondered if any of you kind folks could help out. Andy Andrew Dawson adawson at clara.net Into Hawkwind ? Then check out the Worldwide discography. http://home.clara.net/adawson From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Mar 30 14:07:56 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:07:56 -0800 Subject: OFF: Godspeed You Black Emperor! Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:42:08 +0100, Jon Browne wrote: >No, I've changed my mind. > >The best-album-ever-that's-no-one's-heard-of is the KAK album. > >One fantastic LP, then they split, leaving music forever. > >Go figure. Actually, Gary Yoder (and maybe one of the others) wound up in a latter-day Blue Cheer lineup. I forget which album(s), though. Maybe 'New ... Improved'? The great thing is that someone is repressing vinyl (!) of a lot of cool obscure albums that were released on Columbia/Epic in the late 60s, including KAK, Kaleidoscope (US band - not the UK 'Tangerine Dream' one), United States of America (one of the first-ever rock+electronics bands along with Silver Apples and 50 Foot Hose - a must-hear for Hawkwind fans!) and Moby Grape (OK, they're not that obscure). Unfortunately, Skip Spence's 'Oar' doesn't seem to be included (but you should get the CD reissue with bonus tracks, anyway). Nor the Hampton Grease Band's 'Music To Eat' (a must-hear for Zappa/Beefheart fans, as well as anyone who digs Col. Bruce Hampton's more recent Aquarium Rescue Unit), but that one's an early-70s double LP. -Doug ceres at sirius.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Mar 30 14:32:28 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:32:28 -0800 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) Message-ID: Hey, I haven't gotten in my say on this thread yet! On Tue, 30 Mar 1999 16:41:56 +0100, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: >On Sat, 20 Mar 1999, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > >> Gee, and I thought "Shot Down in the Night" was *excellent* :) I completely agree with Carl - I like everything about this song. The way the intro builds up with the audience chant and Tim & Dave(?)'s bubbling & droning synths ... then Simon counts off and blam! A Hawkwind concert opener that nearly rivals the buildup from "Earth Calling" into "Born To Go" on 'Space Ritual'. Someone else commented on not liking the "cheesy" synth/organ chords, but I think they're a great expression of the 60's garage band influence that HW sometimes shows (as with the way the verses of "Brainbox Pollution" mirror those of the Count Five's "Psychotic Reaction") ... I love the version of "25 Years" on the 'Hawklords Live' CD for the same reason. Great "future negative"-type lyrics that sound totally Hawkwind even though they were written by a very short-serving member. Great melodic guitar solos by Huw both on the bridge and the outro (and I tend not to be a big Huw fan). One of my favorite Hawkwind numbers (although I'm not real big on the 'Do Not Panic' version) of all time. >> while I found "Lighthouse" sort of a non-event. It would be much better without Tim trying to sing (ouch!). >> That said, I >> thought the "Brainstorm" on _Live 79_ was extrordinarily lame. >> But, as Steve S. points out, the "Silver Machine" has an excellent >> start before, sadly, it blows up! > > Funny, I think that 'Brainstorm' is one of the best - builds into >rhythmic trance very nicely. Not exactly blanga, but as close as you can >get with an essentially NWOBHM line-up. I have mixed feelings about the version of "Brainstorm" ... it's a good, hard-driving version, just like Jonathan says, but I really prefer hearing that song with Nik (given the choice for that era, I'd probably prefer both the Inner City Unit version and the 'Zones' version). The only song on the album I don't particularly like is the version of "Spirit of the Age" - the rhythms are all wrong on that one. The studio version (and live versions by Calvert-era Hawkwind/Hawklords) really flow with a Krautrock-like beat; the 'Live 79' version sounds constipated all the way through to me, and also loses the melodic flow. I've always liked the version of "Motorway City" better than on 'Levitation' but I think I'll have to give that a side-by-side comparison since everyone else seems to unanimously disagree. And I like the (non-LP B-side) version of "Urban Guerilla"; even more so after hearing the Calvert-sung version from the Hawklords tour on which the '79 version was clearly modeled (I'd still rather hear it sung by Bob, though). >But then it was on the first Hawkwind record I ever owned Me, too! (Well, I heard "Psychedelic Warlords" on my college's radio station one night during my first year, then went down to the record store the next day and bought second-hand vinyl [there were no Hawkwind CD's at this point] copies of 'Space Ritual', 'Roadhawks' and 'Live 79'.) So perhaps I, too, am biased. It's my favorite Huw-era album except (possibly) the two 'Chronicle' albums and anything with Nik on it! > Ha - I got a doom-fan to buy 'Live Chronicles' the other day! One >of my greatest victories. His expression of torture as he admitted he >liked it rivalled that of the Prince of Melnibone himself... Does he like Harvey's "dramatic recitations"? ;^) -Doug ceres at sirius.com From mwood at MY-DEJANEWS.COM Tue Mar 30 14:55:41 1999 From: mwood at MY-DEJANEWS.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:55:41 -0800 Subject: HW: Caution? Message-ID: So, what's this about some unreleased Hawkwind album called _Caution_? When was this thing recorded? Why did it never get released? MWood NP: Ashra: _ at shra_ -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums From COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Mar 30 15:06:58 1999 From: COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK (YEE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:06:58 +0100 Subject: Distant Horizons - help and advice Message-ID: Dear members of the space ship Hawkwind, Thank you all for your advice and opinions on the Hawkwind album "Distant Horizons" it was really appreciated. I know who to ask now if I need some more advice, thanks again. colm "My ass may be dumb but I ain't no dumbass" -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Jarrett To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 30 March 1999 16:32 Subject: Re: Distant Horizons - help and advice >On Tue, 30 Mar 1999, YEE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wrote: > >> Today I saw "Distant Horizons" by Hawkwind I presume that its their newest studio album as its on the emergency broadcast network (their own label). Could anyone give me a quick review of it please because I'm thinking of buying it. Thanks. > > Got it playing as we speak, actually - last studio but one, 1997 - >there are four good tracks on it and a lot of random synth widdling >including a vocals-free mix of the 'Love in Space' single edit. Suffers >heavily from Brock not really being arsed to do much but showcases Ron and >Jerry quite well. I'd say get it, but not if there's other things you want >urgently first. 6-7/10. Yours, > Jon > >P.S. oh, and the artwork's truly poor. > -- > /______________________________________________________________________\ > | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | > | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | > | =====================================================================| > | "Probability level 1 to 1. We have normality, I repeat, we have | > | normality. Anything you still can't deal with is therefore your own | > \_________________________ problem." ______________________________/ > \_____________/ > From COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Mar 30 17:00:27 1999 From: COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Its easy with Cheesey Peas!) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 23:00:27 +0100 Subject: Distant Horizons - help and advice Message-ID: One more question and I won't trouble you folks anymore. Jon you said "Distant Horizons" is the last but one studio album. What is the latest one. I'm sorry to ask these questions as you all seem to be in the know about them. The latest Hawkwind album I bought was Space Bandits which was alright then after that I spent my money more on there seventies stuff especially the calvert era as this I think is where th ebest music that Hawkwind has ever produced comes from. Respect to pre calvert Hawkwind too as this stuff is still pretty shit hot! One more thing has anyone got one of the Hawkwind passports from Dave Brocks and Chris Taits official Hawkwind Mission Control. Whats the deal with them? cheers colm "My ass may be dumb but I ain't no dumbass" -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Jarrett To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 30 March 1999 16:32 Subject: Re: Distant Horizons - help and advice >On Tue, 30 Mar 1999, YEE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wrote: > >> Today I saw "Distant Horizons" by Hawkwind I presume that its their newest studio album as its on the emergency broadcast network (their own label). Could anyone give me a quick review of it please because I'm thinking of buying it. Thanks. > > Got it playing as we speak, actually - last studio but one, 1997 - >there are four good tracks on it and a lot of random synth widdling >including a vocals-free mix of the 'Love in Space' single edit. Suffers >heavily from Brock not really being arsed to do much but showcases Ron and >Jerry quite well. I'd say get it, but not if there's other things you want >urgently first. 6-7/10. Yours, > Jon > >P.S. oh, and the artwork's truly poor. > -- > /______________________________________________________________________\ > | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | > | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | > | =====================================================================| > | "Probability level 1 to 1. We have normality, I repeat, we have | > | normality. Anything you still can't deal with is therefore your own | > \_________________________ problem." ______________________________/ > \_____________/ > From mordru at FLITE.NET Tue Mar 30 17:35:40 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:35:40 -0500 Subject: HW: Caution? Message-ID: >So, what's this about some unreleased Hawkwind album called _Caution_? When was this thing recorded? Between '82 and '83. >Why did it never get released? Doug's fault. (though it was Steve Swann who let him know about it).... ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Mar 30 18:10:00 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:10:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Caution? In-Reply-To: <199903302235.RAA28357@issfire1.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Mar 1999, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > >So, what's this about some unreleased Hawkwind album called _Caution_? > When was this thing recorded? > > > Between '82 and '83. > > >Why did it never get released? > > Doug's fault. (though it was Steve Swann who let him know about it).... Wasn't it something like the then label, who were one-off for that project anyway, having distributor problems, during which the album got shelved, and there were arguments and now there's bad blood on both sides, because the label don't think it's worth distributing, but won't give up the rights. Though I could be remembering something else entirely. If I remember correctly there was also an issue over the label insisting on using a house producer who did his own over-dubs. I think the band were very upset at this and claimed it wasn't really a Hawkwind album, a "made-up record". Again, don't quote me though. Yours, Jon -- /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | =====================================================================| | "Probability level 1 to 1. We have normality, I repeat, we have | | normality. Anything you still can't deal with is therefore your own | \_________________________ problem." ______________________________/ \_____________/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Mar 30 18:50:51 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:50:51 +0100 Subject: Distant Horizons - help and advice Message-ID: On tis 30 mar 1999 23.00 +0100 "Its easy with Cheesey Peas!" wrote: > One more question and I won't trouble you folks anymore. Jon you said > "Distant Horizons" is the last but one studio album. What is the latest one. The follow on from _DH_ is a mixed studio/live album called _In Your Area_. So actually, _DH_ is the most recent _entirely_ studio album. > I'm sorry to ask these questions as you all seem to be in the know about > them. The latest Hawkwind album I bought was Space Bandits which was alright Ooo er. I though _SB_ was pretty dodgy too! :) _Electric Teepee_ was a big improvement, IMO, as was _Alien 4_. > then after that I spent my money more on there seventies stuff especially > the calvert era as this I think is where th ebest music that Hawkwind has > ever produced comes from. Respect to pre calvert Hawkwind too as this stuff > is still pretty shit hot! Wise choices! > One more thing has anyone got one of the Hawkwind > passports from Dave Brocks and Chris Taits official Hawkwind Mission > Control. Whats the deal with them? I got my "blank" but haven't sent it back. I need to decide what my address is going to be, since I'll be moving soon! I think I'll go with a US address ... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Tue Mar 30 18:57:07 1999 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 16:57:07 -0700 Subject: HW: Caution? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Err, uhh, I hate to throw a wrench in anyone's belief of Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy or 'Caution' but look closely (http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/Caution/) at the fine print ("Another fine product by Sonique's Fictitious Records").... Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu > On Tue, 30 Mar 1999, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > > > >So, what's this about some unreleased Hawkwind album called _Caution_? > > When was this thing recorded? > > > > > > Between '82 and '83. > > > > >Why did it never get released? > > > > Doug's fault. (though it was Steve Swann who let him know about it).... > > Wasn't it something like the then label, who were one-off for that > project anyway, having distributor problems, during which the album got > shelved, and there were arguments and now there's bad blood on both sides, > because the label don't think it's worth distributing, but won't give up > the rights. Though I could be remembering something else entirely. > > If I remember correctly there was also an issue over the label > insisting on using a house producer who did his own over-dubs. I think the > band were very upset at this and claimed it wasn't really a Hawkwind > album, a "made-up record". Again, don't quote me though. Yours, > Jon From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Tue Mar 30 18:57:06 1999 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 18:57:06 EST Subject: HW: The Bottom Line Club,New York Message-ID: In a message dated 3/30/99 12:57:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, adawson at CLARA.NET writes: > Hi folks, > I recently recieved an E-Mail from a guy asking about any info on the > Botton Line Club, the place not the album. As I know naff all about it I > wondered if any of you kind folks could help out. > > Andy Andy, The Bottom Line is in NYC, many good acts have played there since the 70's. I visited the club qbout 5 years ago, to see Daevid Allen, and the place was like a police state inside. They seated you as you came in (despite the fact that there was only about 30 people there) you had to stay seated, no milling around, the small intimate crowd was ringed by nasty looking bouncers and club employees, who sneered at us the entire show. I have heard similar stories about the Bottom Line from so many people that I feel that it just wasn't an "off night" . Although Daevid Allen was good that night (he did complain about the "police state" mentality of the club) there was no way for me to fully enjoy myself, as when I go to see an artist, pay a high cover fee, I want to relax and enjoy myself, not worry if the club is going to tatoo me after the show, apologies about the nazi referrence but if the owner and employees of the Bottom Line were around about 50 years ago, they would have made great death camp hall monitors... When the Bottom Line books a band, they play two sets in one night. I will never return to the Bottom Line, even if my fav Band Hawkwind plays there as their only North American appearance. "vent mode cancelled" bob From hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU Tue Mar 30 19:05:37 1999 From: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU (hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 18:05:37 -0600 Subject: OFF: Fast War/Slow Motion Message-ID: Here's a spin on the bombing in Yugoslavia that's dead on. Veteran of the Psychic Wars as virtual-telematic ephemeral flesh war connections abound... thomas > > Is there blood in cyberspace....? > > Forwarded from: > __________________________________________________________________ > CTHEORY THEORY, TECHNOLOGY AND CULTURE VOL 22, NO 1-2 > > > FAST WAR/SLOW MOTION > ==================== > > ~Arthur and Marilouise Kroker~ > > "The hidden hand of the market will never work without a > hidden fist - McDonald's cannot flourish without McDonnell > Douglas, the builder of the F-15. And the hidden fist that keeps > the world safe for Silicon Valley's technologies is called the > United States Army, Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps." > > "...Americans are in the odd position now of being held > responsible for everything, while being reluctant to die for > anything. That's why in the globalization era, counterinsurgency > is out; baby-sitting is in. House-to-house fighting is out; > cruise missiles are in. Green berets are out; U.N. blue helmets > are in." > -Thomas L. Friedman, "A Manifesto for the Fast World" > _The New York Times Magazine_, March 28, 1999 > > It's Friday night in Washington and Clinton has taken to the Internet > for a direct cyber-pitch to the citizens of Belgrade. He bites his > lower lip in that poll-tested, focus-grouped facial gesture and looks > into the eye of the cyberball, courtesy of real video-streaming. With > mock sincerity, he says it's too bad about the bombs, laser missiles, > stealths and electronic pulses in the Serbian night, but America's > got a mission and NATO is on its side. Nothing personal. Just get rid > of Milosevic or force him back to the bargaining table and things > will be all right. Maybe Clinton has read an advance copy of > Friedman's "A Manifesto for the Fast World" because that's exactly > what he's preaching: a little Buchanan-style war fever nationalism > mixed up with high tech cyberwar gaming strategies as the winning > formula as America takes up its "new burden" of enforcer to the > world. > > Meanwhile, the major networks have plugged into the energies of the > war machine with all the desperation of parched-out desert walkers > wandering around the electronic void without aim after the fatal > implosion of the impeachment story-line. Manic media anxiety > field-reverses immediately into a bogus war spirit. > > CNN comes on the air every minute to announce that "It's only two > hours to bombing time." CBS trumps the all-news networks by actually > taking a cyber-ride in a B-2 bomber simulator, telling us with > unabated enthusiasm that it's all so realistic that "you can actually > feel the simulated rocking of the B-2 when it has fired off its > (simulated) payload of sixteen independently targeted missiles," just > eugenically delivered from Whiteman Air Force Base safe in Missouri > to a Belgrade suburb. Local weather stations, catching the drift, > start patching in weather forecasts for Belgrade and Pristina and > Sarajevo, with American weather patterns, giving opinions grave and > military-sober whether it's "good bombing weather or not." AMC does a > quick program change, rushing Patton to the air, complete with George > C. Scott railing against the forces of fascism and communism, and > speaking bitterly of the future of techno-war as a "war without > heroes." And even MTV gets into the killing game, matching Patton > with images of KISS singing of a future without heroes as a "world > without the sun." > > And still Stealths take off from Aviano and cruise missiles burst > from the deep waters of the Adriatic in the morning's clear air and > General Clark does a rant from NATO headquarters about "degrading and > destroying" and arrests by the Serbian security police intensify and > killings, by knife, rope and sometimes by guns, accelerate in > Kosovo. > > But the DOW is almost at 10,000 and sun-bathers in Boca Raton, > Florida tell reporters that "oh well, I guess we should know > something about this" and just once in every great while the media > blah-blah quiets down, and you can almost hear those other silent > intimations of a war machine running on cyber, whispering in the > camera's eye, that this is all about beta testing: systematic program > testing of virtual warriors in their virtual flying machines in > "real" battlefield conditions, of futurist scenarios of "degrading > and destroying" command, control and communication structures, of > testing the newly upgraded computer systems of the B-2s on a night > flight to the Balkans. > > And so, you sit there in a no-name coffee shop on a no-name day in a > no-name street, trying to find some satisfactory moral meridian but > finding only ambivalence instead. The cyber-war machine has > system-installed itself for the day, but when the virtual testing is > over, you just know it'll all be shut down immediately. Not another > word about "moral imperatives" or "degrading or destroying" and not > even any more local weather reports from Belgrade and Pristina. And > even KISS will go back to their one true moment of bewilderment at > being a 4th order simulacra when in the same MTV docu-feature they > look out at their audience and suddenly see families - Mommy and > Daddy and babies most of all - dressed up in face paint and > slithering tongues and beautiful drag, and sigh to themselves where > did it all go wrong. Now, some members of KISS went numb for survival > with drugs and alcohol and always lots of jaded, hard-assed sex, but > those that didn't still are out on the road living the life of the > new regime of signs without referents. And maybe the fate of KISS is > an AWACS warning of the destiny of the cyber-war machine in the > spectacle of Operation Allied Force - war as a cybernetic testing > procedure always running on (moral) empty. A sign without a referent, > a world with only virtual heroes. A double triumph of cyber-skies > (without casualties) and ethnic slaughter (with flesh) as the > ambivalent sign of Allied (moral) Weakness. > > Because the one real-time truth of the cyber-war machine is that it > is allergic to casualties on the ground. Never flesh, never blood, > never human, cyber-war is fast war. Always in motion, always > approaching the speed of light, always war at a telematic distance, > virtual war is one perspectival remove from experiencing the actual > consequences of violence. The end of war, and the beginning of the > arming of the vector. The end of (face-to-face) conflict, and the > beginning of the virtualization of violence. At least, that's the > illusion of Operation Allied Force. > > And why? Because Operation Allied Force is really about making the > skies safe for NATO, and the ground a killing field for Milosevic. > The more complex the diplomatic games of using NATO planes to nudge > Milosevic back to the negotiating table, the greater the actual > slaughter on the ground. The more sophisticated the cyber-apps of > all those high tech, high velocity NATO planes, the more accelerated > the genocide on the ground. Thus, in effect, Operation Allied > Weakness with NATO trapped in a new field of (virtual) blackbirds. If > NATO remains faithful to the air war, the more irrelevant it becomes > to the actual fate of human beings in Kosovo. But if NATO were to > take Milosevic's bait, responding to the genocide of ethnic Albanians > in Kosovo with a ground war, what happened to those nineteen American > marines in the streets of Mogadishu will be amped up Balkan style. > Smelling the Serbian trap, one Texas senator stated on Sunday morning > news that maybe the time has come for a ground war, but not with > American troops. > > Allied Force is in the air. Allied Weakness is on the ground. > > Unfortunately for NATO, one intractable lesson from the diary of life > is that in war as in politics the only thing that really matters in > the end is what happens on the ground. The images and sounds of those > Kosovo refugees, then, as simultaneously a human sign of NATO's > failed (virtual) strategy, and an invitation to a return to a form of > primitive (ground) war that NATO for all its technicity had thought > itself liberated from forever. > > Meanwhile, folks are munching chips and sunning on the beaches, > students are rioting in Michigan because of the loss of a basketball > game to Duke, and the Orioles are playing baseball in Havana. AMC is > recycling some old Western flics, Jon Waters is talking Divine on > MTV, and still the killing and the knifing and the shooting and the > burning and the refugeeing goes on in Kosovo. > > You can almost hear NATO planners wishing that Kosovo Albanians would > mutate into stealth flesh and fly away from the scene, leaving NATO > free to play its aerial games of B-2 tech. > > Fast War/Slow Motion. > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > * CTHEORY is an international journal of theory, technology > * and culture. Articles, interviews, and key book reviews > * in contemporary discourse are published weekly as well as > * theorisations of major "event-scenes" in the mediascape. > * > * Editors: Arthur and Marilouise Kroker > > --- You are currently subscribed to cultstud-l as: hijinks at utarlg.uta.edu To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-cultstud-l-8475M at lists.acomp.usf.edu From sprawl at BBOARD.COM Tue Mar 30 21:01:49 1999 From: sprawl at BBOARD.COM (Sprawl) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:01:49 -0500 Subject: HW: The Bottom Line Club,New York Message-ID: I have heard very similar stories, and would also pass on a HW gig there. RJ From sprawl at BBOARD.COM Tue Mar 30 21:07:28 1999 From: sprawl at BBOARD.COM (Sprawl) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:07:28 -0500 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album.. Conan Message-ID: Good Ol' Jon said: > I would like to have seen Conan filmed in South America, in black and > white, by "Eraserhead"-era David Lynch. Just a thought. > -- > Jon Wow, interesting idea! Get started on the screenplay bud! ;) RJ From sprawl at BBOARD.COM Tue Mar 30 21:09:15 1999 From: sprawl at BBOARD.COM (Sprawl) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:09:15 -0500 Subject: Distant Horizons - help and advice Message-ID: Oh, ok. I don't know why I confuse the two. Both are good, but IYA blows the other away! RJ On men 29 mar 1999 22.10 -0500 Sprawl wrote: > I think both Carl and myself have screwed up. I believe we were both > thinking of In Yer Area! Landing on Medusa is IYA. I know I was refering > to that one, not DH. Sorry! Actually, I _was_ reviewing to _DH_ ... I simply a random reference to "First Landing on Medusa". I've heard a bit of _IYA_ and liked it rather better than I expected! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From tclark at PETRONET.NET Tue Mar 30 23:02:42 1999 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 22:02:42 -0600 Subject: OFF: Fast War/Slow Motion Message-ID: And remember....what can you believe?....In the Iraq "war", a woman went in front of Congress and testified that Saddam was killing babies in hospital...turns out that she was the Kuwaiti's ambassador's daughter who lied in order to gain the public's support to "get Saddam"......you can't really beleive what you read, as everyone knows....and this "war" in Yugoslavia is a perfect example of a government's deception and creation of an illusion through media at an attempt to further careeers....in this case, Bill Clinton'.....fuck the scene in Yugoslavia...is none of anyone's business except their's......as was the Civil War in the U.S....... From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Mar 31 02:11:27 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 08:11:27 +0100 Subject: HW: Caution? Message-ID: On tis 30 mar 1999 16.57 -0700 "Kevin Sommers" wrote: > Err, uhh, I hate to throw a wrench in anyone's belief of Santa Claus or the > Tooth Fairy or 'Caution' but look closely > (http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/Caution/) at the fine print > ("Another fine product by Sonique's Fictitious Records").... Aw, spoilsport! ;) People were just warming to the theme! Cheers, Carl ObCD: Hawkwind, _Caution_ -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Mar 31 03:31:56 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:31:56 +0100 Subject: OFF: GARRRUNNNGGGG!!! In-Reply-To: <199903222033.PAA04398@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Keith Henderson wrote: > Jon said... > > > Can't help laughing at that... When grunge hit the news in the UK > >it was mostly Nirvana, though there were some long-haired disreputable > >types who got very upset at the way Nirvana had hijacked the phenomenon > >when people like Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains, who somehow 'deserved' > >success more, were being left behind. > > I assume you only mean at the beginning of Nirvana's rise. Certainly, Pearl > Jam and AiC have received more success than they ever deserved as well. Oh yeah, for definite. In the same forum of my schooldays, though you were already "anti-establishment" if you listened to Nirvana, if you had some Pearl Jam and some Alice In Chains then you could dismiss everyone else as only being into grunge for the "image" ;-) > P.S. Yes, Soul Asylum was once fairly good, before they ever got the idea > of writing something as awful as 'Runaway Train.' S'odd, I find the early albums really hard to get on with - I don't much like anything I've heard before 'Hang Time'. I haven't been inspired to get the last two though. Yours, Jon -- /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | =====================================================================| | "Probability level 1 to 1. We have normality, I repeat, we have | | normality. Anything you still can't deal with is therefore your own | \_________________________ problem." ______________________________/ \_____________/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Mar 31 03:33:50 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:33:50 +0100 Subject: OFF: Loop? Message-ID: Dear All, anyone know anything about a band by this name? They've been described to me as actually acheiving what Monster Magnet's 'Tab... ' set out to do, which makes them sound interesting... Yours, Jon (who for some reason is unable to type the word 'yours' in four tries this morning) -- /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | =====================================================================| | "Probability level 1 to 1. We have normality, I repeat, we have | | normality. Anything you still can't deal with is therefore your own | \_________________________ problem." ______________________________/ \_____________/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Mar 31 03:41:40 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:41:40 +0100 Subject: OFF: Loop? Message-ID: On ons 31 mar 1999 09.33 +0100 "Jonathan Jarrett" wrote: > anyone know anything about a band by this name? They've > been described to me as actually acheiving what Monster Magnet's 'Tab... ' > set out to do, which makes them sound interesting... Yeah, Chris Bruce recommended them to me long ago, but I only heard some of their recordings recently, when I found someone in the Cambridge RockSoc with a CD. Based on my admittedly limited listening experience, I can report that Loop were "pretty damn cool". Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Wed Mar 31 07:30:00 1999 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:30:00 GMT Subject: OFF: Godspeed You Bla Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1999-03-31 12:30 >Faintly Blowing / Kaleidoscope. Either this or their other release >"Tangerine Dream". Nearly as good as Piper At The Gates Of Dawn. >(This album came out years before a certain German electronic outfit >borrowed the name.) >Jon Jon, Do you know when this group used the album name TangerIne Dream? Do you know why they chose this title name? Is it something to do with LSD tabs? Reason I ask is that this is an old chestnut that frequently comes up on the Tangerine Dream (German synth group) list and never seems to resolve itself. Thanks, Mark From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 31 06:33:37 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 07:33:37 EDT Subject: OFF: Fast War/Slow Motion In-Reply-To: <37019E62.DBE85B5A@petronet.net> Message-ID: > From: Tom Clark ....and this "war" in Yugoslavia is a perfect example of a > government's deception and creation of an illusion through media at an attempt to > further careeers....in this case, Bill Clinton'.....fuck the scene in > Yugoslavia...is none of anyone's business except their's......as was the Civil War > in the U.S....... I don't know how the war in Yugo can help Bubba's career. Looks like a Vietnam-type morass to me. It will cost the US millions, and if any of our servicemen get killed, he'll get the Vietnam no-show issue tossed in his face at every turn. As for deception, well, thousands of inocent people have already been killed, and their exodus will ultimately destroy what little is left of Albania. But ultimately, I agree with you. We have to let other nations settle their own problems. Trouble is, you have trouble deciding when to leave others alone, and when to come to the aid of a friend. Remember, the US tried this once, from 1939-41, and if we had intervened earlier, countless millions of lives could have been saved ... theo From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Wed Mar 31 08:45:00 1999 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 13:45:00 GMT Subject: OFF: Favorite Twisted Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1999-03-31 13:45 >Which, in turn, reminds me of another favorite: >a rap cover of Kim Wilde's "Kids in America" by British comedy >speed metal band Lawnmower Deth. >It makes your brain hurt. >JB Maybe I ought to check these guys out - their name just had me rolling around in stitches! My fave twisted track has to be Zappa's cover of Purple Haze. I've played it to die-hard Hendrix fundamentalists and have nearly been strangled! Mark From nexus at PANIX.COM Wed Mar 31 07:59:16 1999 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 07:59:16 -0500 Subject: OFF: Favorite Twisted In-Reply-To: <0328@ems.rail.co.uk> from "Mark Edmonds" at Mar 31, 99 01:45:00 pm Message-ID: >>Which, in turn, reminds me of another favorite: >>a rap cover of Kim Wilde's "Kids in America" by British comedy >>speed metal band Lawnmower Deth. >>It makes your brain hurt. >>JB >Maybe I ought to check these guys out - their name just had me rolling >around in stitches! If that had you going, by all means check out the album "Oooh Crikey, It's Lawnmower Deth" featuring such classics as "Ooooh Crikey" (complete lyrics to song "Oooooh Crikey"-track length 0:06 I think), "Sumo Rabbit and the Inescapable Trap of Doom", "Flying Killer Cobs From the Planet Bob" and the perennial favorite, "You Got No Legs (Don't Come Crawling to Me)". JB From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Wed Mar 31 09:21:00 1999 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 14:21:00 GMT Subject: OFF: Favorite Twisted Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1999-03-31 14:21 >If that had you going, by all means check out the album >"Oooh Crikey, It's Lawnmower Deth" featuring such classics >as "Ooooh Crikey" (complete lyrics to song "Oooooh Crikey"-track length >0:06 I think), "Sumo Rabbit and the Inescapable Trap of Doom", "Flying >Killer Cobs From the Planet Bob" and the perennial favorite, >"You Got No Legs (Don't Come Crawling to Me)". >JB Thanks for the info. If I get to HMV this evening, does this group get classified under Thrash Metal, Speed Metal, Heavy Metal, Dire Metal, Comedy or what?? Any label info? When was this album made? I'm through asking questions! Thanks, Mark From nexus at PANIX.COM Wed Mar 31 08:46:57 1999 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 08:46:57 -0500 Subject: OFF: Favorite Twisted In-Reply-To: <0429@ems.rail.co.uk> from "Mark Edmonds" at Mar 31, 99 02:21:00 pm Message-ID: >From: Mark Edmonds >Date: 1999-03-31 14:21 >>If that had you going, by all means check out the album >>"Oooh Crikey, It's Lawnmower Deth" featuring such classics >>as "Ooooh Crikey" (complete lyrics to song "Oooooh Crikey"-track length >>0:06 I think), "Sumo Rabbit and the Inescapable Trap of Doom", "Flying >>Killer Cobs From the Planet Bob" and the perennial favorite, >>"You Got No Legs (Don't Come Crawling to Me)". >>JB >Thanks for the info. If I get to HMV this evening, does this group get >classified under Thrash Metal, Speed Metal, Heavy Metal, Dire Metal, >Comedy or what?? Any label info? When was this album made? I'm through >asking questions! Hmm, I found my copy used so I don't know. Not comedy and not "Dire" (whatever THAT means:-), I'd check Heavy and Speed. As for the rest ... not off the tope of my head. I'll try to remember and check this afternoon when I get home. JB From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Wed Mar 31 11:23:08 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 08:23:08 -0800 Subject: Vacation Message-ID: Hi all.. I'll be signing off the list while I'm on vacation so that my mailbox doesn't fill up while I'm gone. I will be back. I can be reached at home at jbrooks1 at home.com JB From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Mar 31 11:42:32 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 11:42:32 EST Subject: HW: Caution? Message-ID: In a message dated 3/31/99 2:09:22 AM, cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK writes: < wrote: > Err, uhh, I hate to throw a wrench in anyone's belief of Santa Claus or the > Tooth Fairy or 'Caution' but look closely > (http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/Caution/) at the fine print > ("Another fine product by Sonique's Fictitious Records").... >> today being march 31st, twould seem the joke got sprung a day early...^-~ larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Mar 31 11:39:26 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 11:39:26 EST Subject: OFF: Fast War/Slow Motion Message-ID: i was wondering to what degree this heavy duty REAL LIFE SITUATION was gonna intrude on this little clambake >>> for those with the inclination, and a realplayer, consider the following: radio b92fm belgrade larry b From MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 31 12:54:26 1999 From: MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark P Lee) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:54:26 +0100 Subject: OFF: CDZone In-Reply-To: <199903311001.FAA17351@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: > > Saw this CD called Hawkwind- BBC Archives listed at CD Zone? ANyone know >what the hell this one is.. At least the Dawn of HW sounds like it could be >promising but... how many damn compilations came out last year?? > >SCott > If you want anything from CD Zone order now for Christmas !!! I have placed 3 orders with them so far, the fastest delivery they have managed was 6 weeks after the date of order. Anyone else may have had more luck, if it's not up to the minute then it's not in stock seems to be the case with them. Cheers, Mark. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please reply to mark at esparto.demon.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Wed Mar 31 12:09:55 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:09:55 +0100 Subject: OFF: MOTORHEAD BOX SET Message-ID: If you've more money than sense, what about "Born To Lose, Live To Win", The Bronze singles 1978-1983 10 CD Anthology. Each CD reproduces the original 7 or 12" vinyl. It's on Castle RAWBX140 sah -- Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK e-zine and freezine http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Wed Mar 31 12:07:19 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:07:19 +0100 Subject: OFF: STONER ROCK Message-ID: There's a feature in Classic Rock magazine. All the usual suspects - MM, Cathedral, QOTSA. SAH -- Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK e-zine and freezine http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Wed Mar 31 13:40:28 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:40:28 +0100 Subject: BOC: VINYL REISSUE Message-ID: Simply Vinyl have reissued AOF on 180g vinyl In the UK they retail at ?17.40, but they are an audiophiles wet dream. SAH -- Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK e-zine and freezine http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Wed Mar 31 12:06:15 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:06:15 +0100 Subject: HW: REUNION NEWS Message-ID: Lemmy has been talking about the reunion in Classic Rock magazine. It's at; http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/hawkcr4.htm SAH -- Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK e-zine and freezine http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Mar 31 13:54:19 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:54:19 +0100 Subject: Kaleidoscope In-Reply-To: <0128@ems.rail.co.uk> Message-ID: At 12:30 31/03/99 +0000, you wrote: >From: Mark Edmonds >Date: 1999-03-31 12:30 > >>Faintly Blowing / Kaleidoscope. Either this or their other release >Do you know when this group used the album name TangerIne Dream? Do you >know why they chose this title name? Is it something to do with LSD tabs? Yes indeed, Kaleidoscope were a fucking great UK psych band: Tangerine Dream came out in November 1967 and Faintly Blowing was from 69. If you're interested there's a CD out on Fontana (Mercury) called Dive Into Yesterday which has most of their stuff on (unfortunately including one track that is spectacularly bad: Do It Again For Jeffrey). TD is my fave lp - each track is a pstunner, although FB is also pretty spiffy too, and if anyone has ever used as much phasing as their producer did on 'Music' I'd like to hear it. Don't know where they got 'Tangerine Dream' from. There might be an acid connection but apparently the lads didn't do any drugs but drank gallons of cider instead. Which is a bit of a surprise as they rate as one of the (imho) top UK psych oufits from the late 60s. Anyway the latest issue of Shindig has got a bit of a feature on them so if there's any more info to be gleaned from that i'll let you know. (It's also meant to have a pretty big John's Children feature/interview so psych fans watch out!) andrew "Radioactivity, Discovered by Madame Curie" - Kraftwerk From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Mar 31 14:05:08 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 20:05:08 +0100 Subject: OFF: Loop? In-Reply-To: <361886.3131862100@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: >> anyone know anything about a band by this name? They've >> been described to me as actually acheiving what Monster Magnet's 'Tab... ' >> set out to do, which makes them sound interesting... > > Yeah, Chris Bruce recommended them to me long ago, but I >only heard some of their recordings recently, when I found >someone in the Cambridge RockSoc with a CD. Based on my >admittedly limited listening experience, I can report that Loop >were "pretty damn cool". oh yes, i've got a coupla their lps, 'Fade Out' and 'A Gilded Eternity' and both are well cool, i prfere Fade Out because it's, well, louder, but if either of you want mail me off-list and i could stick them on a tape for you (this is merely extraordinary laziness on my part as i can't be bothered thinking about how to describe their sound and the differences between the albums). Give me a week to sort them out tho cos i'm moving house on saturday. Erk! And whilst i'm feeling well generous: would anyone like a copy of the Underground Zero LP 'Never Reach The Stars'? I've had a spare (vinyl) copy knocking about for ages and thought it might appreciate a new home. andrew "Noise is for heroes Leave the music for zeroes" - The Damned From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Mar 31 14:24:03 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 20:24:03 +0100 Subject: HW: REUNION NEWS Message-ID: On ons 31 mar 1999 18.06 +0100 "Stuart Hamilton" wrote: > Lemmy has been talking about the reunion in Classic Rock magazine. Journalists ... they witter about reuniting Lemmy with an album lineup he wasn't on! ;) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Mar 31 14:20:16 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 20:20:16 +0100 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990330113228.0086ea00@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: >>> Gee, and I thought "Shot Down in the Night" was *excellent* :) > >I completely agree with Carl - I like everything about this song. The way >the intro builds up with the audience chant and Tim & Dave(?)'s bubbling & >droning synths ... then Simon counts off and blam! A Hawkwind concert >opener that nearly rivals the buildup from "Earth Calling" into "Born To >Go" on 'Space Ritual'. Someone else commented on not liking the "cheesy" >synth/organ chords, but I think they're a great expression of the 60's >garage band influence that HW sometimes shows ( [all the bob/nik stuff that i wholeheartedly agree with snipped] WHHHAAATTTT ????? okay the organ i can understand, but those horrible polysynth plonkings comparable to the sinuous majesty of, say, a Vox Phantom? No, there really is nothing that could make me love this version (and it has to be said that this tack nearly convinced me to try again). Brainbox.. i can't comment on, not having heard it, but tbh (and i am being honest and not taking the piss), Sam the Sham and the Pharoahs version of 'Red Hot' does make me think of 'Angels of Death'. Right, its time to play with wiring and get Space Ritual in one channel and some grage punk/pysch in the other. So long chaps, I may be some time ... andrew From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Mar 31 16:05:34 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 13:05:34 -0800 Subject: HW: the original "Death Trap" Message-ID: Perhaps a stupid question ... but is the original studio version of "Death Trap" (not the Sonic Assassins version, not the Hawklords live version, not the Ron Tree version, and certainly not the 'Do Not Panic' version) available on *any* currently in-print CD (or even one of the out-of-print Griffin CD's that are still easy to come by)? I'm still trying to figure out why it was left off of all the Calvert era CD compilations ('Spirit of the Age', 'Tales from Atomhenge'). I don't wanna have to wait for the EBS 'PXR5' CD! (I would bet that 'Caution' would be released before that ever comes out...) -Doug ceres at sirius.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Mar 31 16:01:15 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 13:01:15 -0800 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) Message-ID: ... WARNING: music equipment geek trivia contained within ... On Wed, 31 Mar 1999 20:20:16 +0100, andrew wrote: >>>>> Gee, and I thought "Shot Down in the Night" was *excellent* :) >> >> ... Someone else commented on not liking the "cheesy" >>synth/organ chords, but I think they're a great expression of the 60's >>garage band influence that HW sometimes shows ( > >[all the bob/nik stuff that i wholeheartedly agree with snipped] > >WHHHAAATTTT ????? okay the organ i can understand, but those horrible >polysynth plonkings comparable to the sinuous majesty of, say, a Vox >Phantom? Sorry to be nit-picky, but ... Vox Phantoms are guitars/basses (the ones with the bizarre semi-trapezoidal shape, not the teardrop shape), not organs. The Vox organ models are the Continental (deluxe, 2-tier keyboard) and the Jaguar (budget, 1-tier keyboard, not to be confused with the Fender Jaguar guitar). And, having played both kind of keyboards extensively (I own a Vox Jaguar and have played several Farfisas), I definitely have no problem whatsoever with late-70s/early-80s analog polysynth facsimiles of those sounds (I own a Prophet 600, a "real" analog polysynth, and have extensively used a Yamaha SK-20, which is as cheesy a divide-down "fake" analog polysynth as you can get - I love 'em both for organ sounds; piano sounds are a whole other story). Although I'll admit that on a recent recording project, even though I used the Prophet for *most* of the organ sounds, I still had to pull out the cranky & temperamental old Vox for "authenticity" on one song. I'd be curious to see if anyone could tell the difference from listening ... >No, there really is nothing that could make me love this version >(and it has to be said that this tack nearly convinced me to try again). What about the 'Hawklords Live' CD that has similar polysynth organ facsimilies all over the place? -Doug ceres at sirius.com From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Mar 31 16:34:17 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:34:17 EST Subject: OFF: Favorite Twisted Message-ID: In a message dated 99-03-31 08:46:58 EST, you write: << Hmm, I found my copy used so I don't know. Not comedy and not "Dire" (whatever THAT means:-), I'd check Heavy and Speed. As for the rest ... not off the tope of my head. I'll try to remember and check this afternoon when I get home. JB >> ---It's released on Earache Records, so it could be classified as "Grindcore" as well, though it's not really that. Chuck From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 31 17:54:19 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:54:19 +0100 Subject: OFF: Favorite Twisted Covers In-Reply-To: <19990326143752.65068.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: In message <19990326143752.65068.qmail at hotmail.com>, Brian Halligan writes >And their "Moby Dick," where Tortelvis reads from the novel during the >drum solo! "Dammit, Charlie, I've read this book seven times, I still don't understand it...." -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 31 17:51:59 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:51:59 +0100 Subject: OFF: Godspeed You Bla In-Reply-To: <0128@ems.rail.co.uk> Message-ID: In message <0128 at ems.rail.co.uk>, Mark Edmonds writes >Jon, > >Do you know when this group used the album name TangerIne Dream? Do you >know why they chose this title name? Is it something to do with LSD tabs? > >Reason I ask is that this is an old chestnut that frequently comes up on >the Tangerine Dream (German synth group) list and never seems to resolve >itself. > >Thanks, > >Mark Peter Daltry, for it is he who coined the name, says it was just one of a few phrases they had kicked around as an idea for a title, and has no particular meaning. Just nicely psychedelic. The album was released in 1967. As far as any acid refs go, the guys themselves were cider fuelled, surprisingly, if the sleeve notes are to be believed, and just weren't into it. Daltry's online somewhere, I'm told. Might be able to ask him direct at some point. -- Jon From flossbac at NLCI.COM Wed Mar 31 18:33:37 1999 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (John Majka) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:33:37 -0500 Subject: OFF: Loop? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 09:33 AM 3/31/99 +0100, you wrote: > Dear All, > anyone know anything about a band by this name? They've >been described to me as actually acheiving what Monster Magnet's 'Tab... ' >set out to do, which makes them sound interesting... Yours, > Jon (who for >some reason is unable to type the word 'yours' in four tries this morning) > I have a Loop cd entitled "A Gilded Eternity" and to tell the truth I'm not really all that interested in the band. To me, these guys always sounded like they wanted really really bad to be My Bloody Valentine with some Cocteau Twins thrown in....it's late 80's surreal dreampop, but for that sound, Loop are decidedly not leaders in the field. My Bloody Valentine, Cocteau Twins and Pale Saints far surpass Loop in every capacity. I can't see any comparison with Monster Magnet whatsoever....as the Magnet is more of a straight "rock" band. John Majka flossbac at nlci.com From flossbac at NLCI.COM Wed Mar 31 18:38:51 1999 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (John Majka) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:38:51 -0500 Subject: OFF: GARRRUNNNGGGG!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 09:31 AM 3/31/99 +0100, you wrote: >On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Keith Henderson wrote: > >> Jon said... >> >> > Can't help laughing at that... When grunge hit the news in the UK >> >it was mostly Nirvana, though there were some long-haired disreputable >> >types who got very upset at the way Nirvana had hijacked the phenomenon >> >when people like Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains, who somehow 'deserved' >> >success more, were being left behind. This is really odd, seeing as how Nirvana as a band predates both Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains. Besides which, Alice in Chains were formerly a glam metal band who weren't finding success, so they jumped on the bandwagon of what seemed like a happening scene, moved to Seattle (a city they weren't from) and became lumped in with the "grunge" thing, although I think most people then and now would describe Alice in Chains as more of a metal band. I was always happy that Cobain kept his head regarding the fluke success of his band, as he often described his band as the "Bay City Rollers of the 1990's" and said he would be happy when the hoopla died down and they could go back to playing the same hole in the wall clubs they had always played. John Majka flossbac at nlci.com From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 31 19:06:49 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 01:06:49 +0100 Subject: Kaleidoscope In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , andrew writes >TD is my fave lp - each track >is a pstunner, although FB is also pretty spiffy too, and if anyone has >ever used as much phasing as their producer did on 'Music' I'd like to hear >it. No, I think "Music" holds the record for "most phased seven minutes ever recorded" "......and life...goes on......" -- Jon From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Mar 31 19:00:07 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:00:07 -0500 Subject: OFF: GARRRUNNNGGGG!!! Message-ID: John M. said... >>> > Can't help laughing at that... When grunge hit the news in the UK >>> >it was mostly Nirvana, though there were some long-haired disreputable >>> >types who got very upset at the way Nirvana had hijacked the phenomenon >>> >when people like Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains, who somehow 'deserved' >>> >success more, were being left behind. > >This is really odd, seeing as how Nirvana as a band predates both Pearl Jam >and Alice in Chains. As a 'band,' perhaps. Dunno about AiC, but Pearl Jam was 'formed' only because Mother Love Bone's singer died...it's bascially the same band otherwise. And of course, before that, several of them played with future Mudhoney members in Green River, which certainly predates any serious Nirvana work. Keith H. (FAA) From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Mar 31 20:39:43 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 20:39:43 EST Subject: HW: MOORCOCK CALENDERS!! Message-ID: I was at a record shop in Laguna Beach yesterday and found no worthy records or CDs, but I did find _SIX_ rather large calenders, entitled "Michael Moorcock's Wizardry & Wild Romance", illustrated by Rodney Matthews, for the year 1978. All are wrapped except one, which is the one from which I gleaned the following: Well, it's a calender, w/each month having a large illustration of an EC scene, and below that an accompanying paragraph by Mike. The last page has a Moorcock Bibliography, including his work w/HW and music. I think the artwork is a little cheesy, at least compared to the Whelans. But anyway, I have 6 in all, and 5 extras. The extras are wrapped, but seem to be the store's own wrapping. Still, they all seem in near-mint condition. I paid $5 apiece for them. Question #1: Are these C/Kollector's items? Question #2: If the answer to the above question is "yes", do I try to get top dollar for them or do I just give 'em to you all for what I paid for 'em???? :) Chuck From DogFceBoy at AOL.COM Wed Mar 31 21:21:26 1999 From: DogFceBoy at AOL.COM (Jeremy McGonnell) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:21:26 EST Subject: remove me Message-ID: remove me From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Mar 31 22:03:28 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 04:03:28 +0100 Subject: UZ Message-ID: hi everyone: to all those who mailed me about the UZ lp all i can say is that if you haven't heard from me offlist then i'm sorry but someone got in there faster. All i can say is that i feel like a gameshow host in a garishly coloured suit saying "i'm sorry you couldn't all win this fabulous prize" :-) but next time i stumble across a copy i'll know where to forward it to... andrew From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Mar 31 22:28:55 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 04:28:55 +0100 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990331130115.00869d90@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: >Sorry to be nit-picky, but ... Vox Phantoms are guitars/basses (the ones >with the bizarre semi-trapezoidal shape, not the teardrop shape), not >organs. The Vox organ models are the Continental (deluxe, 2-tier keyboard) >and the Jaguar (budget, 1-tier keyboard, not to be confused with the Fender >Jaguar guitar). And, having played both kind of keyboards extensively (I As the mighty Homer has been known to say, "D'oh!" Yeah, i was typing Phantom and meaning Jaguar (u-huh, just ask Dr Freud about my big cat/ghost mix-ups). But what i would really like to know is what manner of a geetar is a Starstreamer? On Spacemen 3/solo stuff Sonic Boom is always listed as playing one but i've never seen one of the buggers. andrew From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Mar 31 22:32:38 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 04:32:38 +0100 Subject: remove me In-Reply-To: <9c60d797.3702d826@aol.com> Message-ID: At 21:21 31/03/99 -0500, you wrote: >remove me > was this the follow up to 'Adjust Me'? From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Mar 31 22:36:36 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 04:36:36 +0100 Subject: OFF: Loop? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990331183337.007a8190@nlci.com> Message-ID: >I have a Loop cd entitled "A Gilded Eternity" and to tell the truth I'm not >really all that interested in the band. To me, these guys always sounded The earlier stuff is much more interesting to listen to as the geetars are much more in the loud, distorted and repetitive mode. Personally I prefer the Walkingseeds from around the same time who take a kind of Blue Cheer sensibility and mix it up with post-punk attitude - 'Upwind Of Disaster, Downwind Of Atonement' is a blistering wreckord. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 31 03:59:34 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:59:34 +0100 Subject: OFF: Cybotron (was That one obscure album...) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Soniqu? writes >Yup - there are no covers of Cybotron tracks on "Caution" :-? Indeed, their absence speaks volumes. It's also surprising there's little in the way of trance/drone rock either, considering the period of it's recording. -- Jon ObCD Sonic Boom/Spectrum - What Came Before After From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Mar 31 13:28:21 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:28:21 -0600 Subject: OFF: Catching Up Fast Message-ID: My oh my a few days away and stuff pours out. One at a time on a few things... Theo>sounds kinda like two-thirds of a certain band from Canada... > > Triumph? > > Ghost in the Ruins Theo>Wise-ass! I try big guy I really try. Crow - Please check with Mr T on the snail-mail addie. Its changed. What izzit BTW? Mr. T - Daily posting? Whats pulled you out of lurkerdom? Obscure movies, Conan and martial arts flicks. Don't no where to start but would only insert that US of A appears to be turned on to Mr. Hard Boiled himself...Chow Yun Fat...in addition to Jackie Chan and John Woo. this is strange dept... >King's X - Ear Candy (1996) Summary description: Screaming Trees meets It Bites This is pretty standard material. The proggish pop-rock writing style of It Bites' Frank Dunnery but with that enormous dude from Screaming Trees on rhythm guitar pretty much explains everything you need to know about King's X (is it pronounced 'ex' or 'cross'...I always wondered). The vocals are indeed unusual, again very reminiscent of Frank Dunnery (alone), but also like Echolyn (a 'truer' prog band) when doing the harmonizing thing. I found it only marginally interesting. And they get quite soulful (or even 'gospel-ish') once in a while. But the main problem is the drummer. This guy is clumsy and plodding (see Chronicle of the Black Sword), which is unfortunately emphasized by the fact that the sound of his drums on this album is also pretty much dead. This is a major label recording, so can't imagine what the engineer was doing to make the drum track so lifeless. (I had to put on KW's III afterwards, just to hear Sami do some real drumming.) I do like some of It Bites' songs (hell, I have all their albums), but the ones I don't like (the cheesier, poppy tunes - esp. Dunnery's solo material) are the ones that are the most similar to King's X. Which means I have to say... Thumbs Down Ok before I start please do not take this as flaming or harsh criticism...to each their own. There is a professional drummer that works here in my building and I recently shared some King's X music with him. I also shared your post and it made him scratch his head. I'm no muscian so it was bit hard to follow what he said. Nevertheless he was in total disagreement with your thoughts about Jerry Gaskills drumming. Jerry is very unconventional (guy even showed my some stuff to explain what that means but again I couldn't follow) but he is hardly clumsy. He finds Jerry's work to be top notch. Now who the hell is It Bites? KX have been compared to some people mostly Rush or Queen but I've never heard anybody compare them to that band. Again you can be dissapointed with something its your right, just found these observations about Ear Candy to be pretty strange. Oh yah Paul...no luck pulling the new Mule here, tried to snag a copy on my way to the airport but Best Buy was sent one copy of the cd and sold it same day. No idea what moron buys BB's music on the corporate level but they should be fired. I didn't see it anywhere in Canada. Rec'd a $10 coupon from CDNow and used it to order (Also picked up a comp of Brand X) so I should have my copy in a couple days. Cannot wait as the reviews are starting to pour in. I did pick up Y&T Live on The Friday Rock Show, remastered 2112 for 10 bucks CDN, brand new, and Alice Coopers From The Inside, first I ever saw it on CD. Not a bad haul. L8er Ghost in the Ruins From sprawl at BBOARD.COM Wed Mar 31 19:55:41 1999 From: sprawl at BBOARD.COM (Sprawl) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:55:41 -0500 Subject: OFF: Loop? Message-ID: > At 09:33 AM 3/31/99 +0100, you wrote: > > Dear All, > > anyone know anything about a band by this name? They've > >been described to me as actually acheiving what Monster Magnet's 'Tab... ' > >set out to do, Gee, and I thought TAB achieved what TAB set out to do. ;)