From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Mon Feb 1 04:27:20 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 18:27:20 +0900 Subject: HW: Hawk Fairies Message-ID: 'Scuse me for being horribly behind the times when it comes to obscure Friends, relations and Mortal Enemies style releases, but can anyone tell me whether "Hawk Fairies" is any good? Apparently it is from Peterborough, 1995 and judging by the tracklist it has more to do with Nikwind than Brockwind. More to the point, is it worth the 8000yen HMV want for it? Thank you, good people of the list. Dave From pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Feb 1 04:31:24 1999 From: pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM (Juha Nurmenniemi) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 01:31:24 PST Subject: Hawkwind Live List Message-ID: Hi there. I was just looking on the HW live tracks here and I think you have missed one out. On the PXR 5 album Uncle Sam`s on Mars is also a live recording. Juba >Here's the state of the list we were working on at the end of last year. > >The most glaring missing item is the TAT tracks which I figure are >sometime between 1985 and 1988 but it's hard to say from when. I could >also use the recording time/place of the VH-1 show. > >Anyway, here's the list. Comments to me please. > >Cheers > >FoFP >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Live Record name Recorded Source Town >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Text Of Festival 18.8.70,19.4.71,19.5.71 CD+LP London >Bring Me the Head of Yuri.. 23.05.1973 CD+LP London >Greasy Truckers Party 13.02.72 LP London >Glastonbury Fayre 13.02.72 LP London >Brian Matthews Show 02.08.1972 LP London Maida Vale >BBC Transcription Disc 28.09.72 LP London Paris Cinema >Space Ritual 22 & 30.12.1972 CD+LP Liverpool & Brixton >Space Ritual II 30.12.1972 CD+LP London >Roadhawks 30.12.1972 CD+LP London >Hall Of The Mountain Grill 26.01.1974 CD+LP London >The 1999 Party 21.03.1974 CD Chicago >Sonic Assassins 23.12.1977 EP Barnstaple >PXR5 ??.??.1977 CD+LP ???? >Hawklords Live 24.11.1978 CD Uxbridge >Live 79 08.12.1979 CD+LP St.Albans Civic Hall >Glastonbury Festival 20.06.1981 Cass. Worthy Farm >Zones 31.10.82+18.12.80 CD+LP Bristol, London >Out And Intake 12.11.1982 CD+LP London+ ??? >Do Not Panic 18.12.80,21.6.84 CD+LP London + Stonehenge >Undisclosed Files 27.11.1984 & ?.82 &?.88 CD+LP Sheffield + ???? >Hawkfan 12" 27.11.1984 & ??? LP & Cass. Sheffield... >Chronicle of the Black Sword 22.04.88 CD+LP London+ ??? >Live Chronicles 03.12.1985 CD+LP London >Bristol Bike Show 20.06.86 LP Bristol >Live at Reading '86 24.08.1986 CD Reading Festival >Travellers Aid Trust ??.??.1988 & ??? CD+LP ?? ?? >Palace Springs 10.10.1989 CD+LP Los Angeles >California Brainstorm 16.12.1990 CD Oakland >Never Ending Story of.. 05.11.1990 CD Leicester >The Business Trip Nov-Dec.1993 CD+LP Slough,Hastings... >Love in Space 19.10.1996 CD+LP Bristol >Love in Space EP 19.10.1996 EP Bristol >Wir Sind Kinder der Revolte 21.07.1996 CD Burg Herzberg >W101 - Sonic Assassins 23.12.1977 Cass. Barnstaple >W102 - Hawkwind/Hawklords 22.06.1977 Cass. Stonehenge >W103 - Free Festivals 22.06.77 & 23.08.75 Cass. Watchfld&Stonehenge >W104 - Hawklords Live 23.11.1978 Cass. Plymouth >W105 - Hawkwind 76-77 05.10.76&??.06.77 Cass. London & ??? >W106 - Hawkwind 1970/73 Various dates Cass. London + ??? >W108 - Hawkwind 1966-73 Various dates Cass. >Independent Days Various dates LPs London + ??? >Friends & Relations Various dates LP&CD >Acid Daze Various dates LP&CD >Ambient Anarchists Various dates LP&CD >Ambient Anarchists Various dates CD >Early years Live Various dates EP >Friends & Relations Various dates CD+LP >Early years Live Various dates EP >Friends & Relations Various dates CD+LP >The EBS Samples Various dates CD >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >Bootleg name Recorded Source Town >================================================================ >Kinetic Playground 13.12.1971 CD Birmingham Kinetic >Space Rock From London 28.09.1972 CD London Paris Theatre >Spacerock from London 28.09.1972 CD London >Mind Journey 10.08.1975 Acet. Glasgow >Atomhenge 76 27.09.1976 CD-R Bristol Colston Hall >Live At Watchf. and Stoneh. 22.06.77 & 23.08.75 LP Watchfield&Stonehenge >A Quark Night in Paris 23.04.1977 CD-R Paris >Live at the Bottom Line 06.03.1978 LP New York >Live-St.Albans '79 08.12.1979 CD St.Albans >Golden Void 19.10.1982 LP Glasgow >Live At Stonehenge 22.06.1983 LP Stonehenge >Damnation Alley 04.10.1989 CD-R Minneapolis >Cyberspace Conspiracy 25.01.1990 LP Nottingham >Kings Of Speed, LoL 08.10.1991 CD Bochum >Secret Tepee 19.05.1992 CD-R Reading >Rock City 16.11.1993 CD Nottingham >The A Files 23.04.1995 CD-R Boulder >Orgasmatron different dates CD >Dawn of Hawkwind different dates CD >Assasins Of Allah different dates LP >Nova Drive different dates CD-R >Timeless Paens different dates CD-R >Corridor of Flame different dates CD-R >Theta Orionis 25.01.90 & 11.11.93 CD Nottingham,Cambridge >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Nova Drive 1995/9 CD-R (Discontent DISC20470 - US) >---------- > >4pg inlay with blank foldout. Cover with white background. Very few >released with a slightly different cover - light grey background. The >very small run of a total of 35 pcs depended on the appearance of "Terra >Mystica", which made Doug Smith roar a bit. The last track is a chant >from the middle of LSD. > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >Born To Go 28.05.84 Ramsgate, Marina Park >Spirit of the Age 13.11.94 Koln, Live Music Hall >Nova Drive 10.11.80 Doncaster, Rotters >Alien 23.04.95 Boulder, Fox Theatre >Silver Machine 08.04.95 Springfield, Jaxx >Sputnik Stan 23.04.95 Boulder, Fox Theatre >Wastelands 22.04.88 London, Hammy Odeon >Cold War Kid 06.10.78 Oxford, New Theatre >Damage of Life 03.06.89 Woolwich, Coronet >Paradox 08.11.86 Birmingham, Odeon >Magnu 07.10.89 San Francisco, Stone >Doremifasolatido 23.04.89 Boulder, Fox Theatre >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Timeless Paens 1996 CD-R (Nova Drive - US) >-------------- > >Standard CD-Recordable disc. Tracks recorded from various venues and >dates, mainly from late 80's or later. The idea was to have new (80's & >90's) versions of Space Ritual-era songs. Some in the early run had a >defect with a lot of sparkle, cracks and dropouts. > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >Brainstorm 18.05.1991 Detroit Latin Quarter >Paranoia 12.10.1991 Tilburg Nooderligt >Down Through The Night 07.10.1989 San Francisco Stone >You Shouldn't Do That 23.04.1995 Boulder Fox Theatre >Urban Guerilla 23.04.1995 Boulder Fox Theatre >Only Dreamning 13.11.1994 Koln Live Music Hall >Born To Go 21.02.1984 Sheffield City Hall >10 Seconds Of Forever 21.02.1984 Sheffield City Hall >7 By 7 24.04.1992 Brighton Event >Time We Left 24.04.1992 Brighton Event >Master Of The Universe 17.05.1991 St.Catherines Hideaway >Be Yourself 25.04.1993 Tilburg Nooderligt >Sonic Attack 22.04.1988 London Hammersmith >Silver Machine 13.10.1981 Bradford St.Georges Hall >Welcome 23.04.1995 Boulder Fox Theatre >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Corridor Of Flame 1996 CD-R (Nova Drive - US) >----------------- > >4pg inlay with 'Golden Void' lyrics. Both disc and front cover is numbered. >Two different tracklist versions exist - with or without "Time for Sale" >Tracks is recorded from various venues and dates, over the whole career of >Hawkwind. > >First appearance of Beast of Chaos and Waiting for My Man. > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >Tech.of Spaceship Earth 13.12.71 Birmingham Kinetic Playground >Void of Golden Light 23.04.95 Boulder Fox Theatre >Lost Chronicles 01.10.88 Clyro Court Festival >Mark of Cain 01.06.85 Folkestone Leas Cliffe Hall >The Secret Agent 29.04.93 Utrecht Tivoli >Beast of Chaos 16.10.71 Potter's Bar Elm Court >Crystal Void 06.07.91 London Brixton Academy >Steppenwolf 12.11.82 Hammersmith Odeon >Lord of Light 28.10.95 Berlin Marquee >Cajun Jinx 27.11.86 Hammersmith Odeon >Phone Home Elliott 15.11.82 Chippenham Goldigger's Club >Age of the Micro Man 05.04.95 St.Catherine's Hideaway >Waiting For My Man 27.02.77 London Roundhouse >PXR5 06.12.79 Preston Guild Hall >The Golden Void 27.10.81 Oxford Apollo Theatre >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Orgasmatron 1992 (Bootleg CD) (Cargo CARGOCD22 - UK) >----------- > >2pg inlay - flipside is blank. Sleeve notes. Limited edition of 500 copies. >First album appearance of New Jerusalem and Starfarers Despatch. > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >The Right Stuff 16.04.85 ECT TV Soundtrack >Angels of Death 16.04.85 ECT TV Soundtrack >New Jerusalem 04.12.79 Ipswich Gaumont >Starfarers Despatch 12.12.71 Birmingham Kinetic Playground >Master of the Universe 12.12.71 Birmingham Kinetic Playground >Mask of Morning 24.04.92 Brighton Event >Images 02.07.90 Bournemouth Academy >Brainstorm 20.06.84 Stonehenge >Magnu 24.08.85 Crystal Palace >Shot Down In The Night 22.04.88 Hammersmith Odeon >Silver Machine 12.12.71 Birmingham Kinetic Playground >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >The Text Of Festival: Live 1970-2 (Illuminated/DemiMonde 1983) >-------------------- > >Sides 1 and 2 reissued as In The Beginning & Masters of the Universe > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >Master Of The Universe 18.08.70 London >Dreaming 18.08.70 London >Shouldn't Do That 18.08.70 London >Hurry On A Sundown 05.11.70 London >Paranoia 05.11.70 London >Seeing It As.... 05.11.70 London >I Do It 05.11.70 London >Sound..Shouldn't... 19.04.71 London >Improvise..Compromise.. 19.05.71 London >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Assassins of Allah 1994 Bootleg LP (blank label, HWD3 in runout groove - UK) >------------------ > >Poor man 'inlay' cover with a 3" wraparound. Limited edition of 300 >copies, numbered. Contains rare Hawkwind vinyl tracks. Cover art is a >sacred Islam painting. > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >Master of the Universe Greasy Truckers Party >Born To Go Greasy Truckers Party >Silver Machine Glastonbury Fayre >Welcome to the Future Glastonbury Fayre >Assassins of Allah Live at Reading '86 >Master of the Universe Bristol Bikeshow >Paranoia Bristol Bikeshow >Silver Machine Bristol Bikeshow >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Greasy Trucker's Party (with various artists) (UA) >---------------------- > >One of two Double LP recordings of multiple artists from the "Greasy >Truckers Party". > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >Master of the Universe 13.02.72 London Roundhouse >Born To Go 13.02.72 London Roundhouse > >Glastonbury Fayre (with various artists) (Revelation) >----------------- > >Triple LP of various artists at early Glastonbury Festivals at Worthy >Farm. While Hawkwind did appear in the early days, and in fact had early >rehearsals at the farm, the track on the album was from the Greasy >Truckers Party. > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >Silver Machine 13.02.72 London Roundhouse >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Brian Matthews Show : BBC Transcription Disk 1972 >------------------- > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >Silver Machine 02.08.72 London Maida Vale >Brainstorm 02.08.72 London Maida Vale >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Dawn Of Hawkwind 1994 CD Bootleg >---------------- > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >Silver Machine BBC Brian Mathews Show >Brainstorm BBC Brian Mathews Show >Master of the Universe Greasy Truckers >Announcements Greasy Truckers >Born To Go Greasy Truckers >Silver Machine Glastonbury Fayre >Welcome to the Future Glastonbury Fayre >Dawn/Sunrise 28.06.72 Trentishoe >Frisco Jam 17.12.90 San Francisco >Silver Machine Bristol Bikeshow >Paranoia Bristol Bikeshow >Master of the Universe Bristol Bikeshow >Needle Gun 19.11.85 Aberdeen Capitol >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Hall Of The Mountain Grill >-------------------------- > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >You'd Better Believe It 26.01.74 London Edmonton Sundown >Paradox 26.01.74 London Edmonton Sundown >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Watchfield/Stonehenge (Festival HAWK1 - UK LP) [Also Weird 103] >--------------------- > >Original has "Hawkwind Roadies Erecting Scenery" cover. Label says band >is "The Hawks", credit goes to "Bob and the Hawks" Rereleased in various >covers and with various titles, "Live and Buzzing", "Alive and Kicking" >and "Live at Stonehenge". Bootleg of Weird 103 tape. > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >High Rise 22.06.77 Stonehenge Festival >Damnation Alley 22.06.77 Stonehenge Festival >Uncle Sam's on Mars 22.06.77 Stonehenge Festival >Robot 22.06.77 Stonehenge Festival >Cake Out 23.08.75 Watchfield Festival >Circles 23.08.75 Watchfield Festival >Elements 23.08.75 Watchfield Festival >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77 >---------------------------- > >There were two versions of this tape released, the second being released >when the earlier one was withdrawn. > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > > (a) >Back on the Streets 05.10.76 London Hammersmith >Paranoia 05.10.76 London Hammersmith >Chronoglide Skyway 05.10.76 London Hammersmith >Back on the Streets 05.10.76 London Hammersmith >Assassins of Allah 27.02.77 London Roundhouse >Forge of Vulcan 27.02.77 London Roundhouse >Steppenwolf 27.02.77 London Roundhouse > (b) >Brainstorm 27.02.77 London Roundhouse >Wind of Change 27.02.77 London Roundhouse >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >PXR5 (Charisma 1978) > >The original LP came with a wrongly wired plug on the back cover which >was covered with a sticker and finallt removed in later releases. >The original LP also came with an offer to obtain Pete Frame's Hawkwind >Family Tree Poster. The version of High Rise on the CD is different to >that on the LP. > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > > >Robot late.77 ? ? >High Rise [LP] late.77 ? ? >High Rise [CD] late.77 ? ? >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Zones (Flicknife 1983) >----- > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >The Island 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon >Motorway City 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon >Utopia 84 31.10.82 Bristol Colston Hall >Social Alliance 31.10.82 Bristol Colston Hall >Sonic Attack 31.10.82 Bristol Colston Hall >Dream Worker 31.10.82 Bristol Colston Hall >Brainstorm 31.10.82 Bristol Colston Hall >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Stonehenge (This Is Hawkwind/Do Not Panic) (Flicknife 1984 LP & EP) >---------- > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >Psy Power 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon >Levitation 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon >Circles 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon >Space Chase 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon >Death Trap 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon >Angels Of Death 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon >Shot Down In The Night 18.12.80 London Lewisham Odeon >Stonehenge Decoded 21.06.84 Stonehenge Festival >Watching The Grass Grow 21.06.84 Stonehenge Festival >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Undisclosed Files (1995 LP) >----------------- > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >Orgone Accumulator 27.11.84 Sheffield University >Sonic Attack 27.11.84 Sheffield University >Watching The Grass Grow 27.11.84 Sheffield University >Curse of Man 27.11.84 Sheffield University >Ghost Dance [CD] 27.11.84 Sheffield University >Master ot Universe [LP] late.88 ? ? >Coded Languages [LP] late.88 ? ? >Coded Languages [CD] late.88 ? ? >Ejection late.88 ? ? >Motorway City late.88 ? ? >Dragons and Fables late.88 ? ? >Heads late.88 ? ? >Angels of Death late.88 ? ? >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Out & Intake >------------ > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >Turner Point late.82 ? ? (soundcheck) >Waiting for Tomorrow late.82 ? ? >Solitary Mind Games late.82 ? ? >Assassins of Allah ??.??.86 ? ? >Ghost Dance late.82 ? ? >Warrior on the Edge[CD] 12.11.82 London Hammersmith Odeon > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Travellers Aid Trust (Double LP 1988) >-------------------- > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >Brainstorm ? ? ? >Blue Dreamer ? ? ? >Washing Machine 01.10.1988 Clyro Court >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >THETA ORIONIS [Bootleg CD - UK 1996) >------------- > >4pg inlay with pics of Calvert in psychedelia pattern. Pic disc. >Contains various live tracks, BBC session and rare vinyl tracks. > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >Night of the Hawk 25.01.90 Nottingham Rock City >Back In The Box 25.01.90 Nottingham Rock City >Right To Decide 11.11.93 Cambridge Junction >Quark,Strangeness&Charm 11.11.93 Cambridge Junction >LSD 11.11.93 Cambridge Junction >Camera That Could Lie 11.11.93 Cambridge Junction >Assasins of Allah 11.11.93 Cambridge Junction >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Weird 101 - Sonic Assassins/ Dave Brock >--------- > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >Over the Top 23.12.77 Barnstaple Queensway Hall >Magnu 23.12.77 Barnstaple Queensway Hall >Angels of Life 23.12.77 Barnstaple Queensway Hall >Freefall 23.12.77 Barnstaple Queensway Hall >Death Trap 23.12.77 Barnstaple Queensway Hall >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/ Hawklords >--------- > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >Quark,Strangeness&Charm 22.06.77 Stonehenge Festival >Masters of the Universe 22.06.77 Stonehenge Festival >Welcome to the Future 22.06.77 Stonehenge Festival >Spirit of the Age 22.06.77 Stonehenge Festival >Sonic Attack 22.06.77 Stonehenge Festival >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Weird 106 - Hawkwind 1970-73 >--------- > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >Born To Go 13.02.72 London Roundhouse >Master of the Universe 13.02.72 London Roundhouse >Jam 13.02.72 London Roundhouse >Hurry on Sundown Text of Festival >Came Home ??.??.70 Notting Hill >We Do It Text of Festival >Earth Calling BBC Transcription Disc >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73 >--------- > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >Space is Deep Space Ritual >Live and Let Live late.73 USA >Etchanatae late.73 USA >Dreaming Text of Festival >Shouldn't Do That Text of Festival >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Independent Days >---------------- > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >Over the Top Weird 101 >Who's Gonna Win... Weird 101 >Angels Of Death Do Not Panic >Watching The Grass... Do Not Panic >Assault And Battery 03.12.85 London Hammersmith (Live Chronicles) >Sleep Of 1000 Tears 03.12.85 London Hammersmith (Live Chronicles) >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >The Chronicle Of The Black Sword >-------------------------------- > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > > [Dojo CD & Griffin CD] > >The War I Survived 22.04.88 London Hammersmith >Voice Inside My Head 22.04.88 London Hammersmith > > [Flicknife CD] > >Assault & Battery Independent Days >Sleep of 1000 Tears Independent Days >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >The Emergency Broadcast System Samples >-------------------------------------- > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >The Camera That... The Business Trip >Green Finned Demon The Business Trip >Coded Languages Undisclosed Files >Angels of Death Undisclosed Files >Xenomorph Love in Space >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Bristol Custom Bike Show (GWR) >------------------------ >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >Master Of The Universe 20.06.86 Bristol >Silver Machine 20.06.86 Bristol >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >The Ambient Anarchists >---------------------- > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >Urban Guerilla Acid Daze >Motorway City Undisclosed Files >TV Suicide California Brainstorm >Camera That Could Lie The Business Trip >LSD The Business Trip >Love in Space ??.??.96 VH-1 Show >Green Finned Demon The Business Trip >Space Is Their... Love in Space >Hassan I Sabha Love in Space >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Wir sind Kinder der Revolte Vol 1. >---------------------------------- > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >Love in Space 21.07.96 Burg Herzberg Festival >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Acid Daze >--------- > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >High Rise Weird 103 >Spirit of the Age Live '79 >Urban Guerilla same as Live '79 >Masters of the Universe Late '80 >World of Tiers Late '80 >Who's Gonna Win the War Glastonbury '81 >Ghost Dance late.82 ? ? >Earth Calling BBC Transcription Disc >Motorhead Independent Days >Watchfield Festival Weird 103 >Magnu Weird 101 >Angels Of Death Weird 101 >Hashcake '77 Weird 103 >Quark,Strangeness&Charm Weird 102 >Born To Go Greasy Truckers Party >Space Is Deep Space Ritual >You Shouldn't Do That Space Ritual >Seeing It As... Space Ritual >Hurry On Sundown Text of Festival >Came Home Weird 106 >We Do It Text of Festival >Silver Machine late.81 ? ? >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Friends And Relations >--------------------- > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >The Golden Void 23.12.77 Barnstaple (Sonic Assassins) >Who's Gonna Win The War Weird 101 >Robot Weird 103 >Earth Calling BBC Transcription Disc >We do It Text of Festival >Spirit of the Age Weird 102 >Psychedelia Lives Glastonbury 1981 >Drug Cabinet Key Weird 105 >Over the Top Sonic Assassins >Psy Power Do Not Panic >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >The Early Years Live (EP 1991) >-------------------- > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >Silver Machine Acid Daze >Spirit of the Age Live '79 >Urban Guerilla Live '79 single b-side >Born to Go Greasy Truckers >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >1986 Hawkfan 12" >----------------- > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >Countdown BBC Transcription Disc >Ejection 31.10.82 Bristol Colston Hall >Ghost Dance 27.11.84 Sheffield University >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >1997 Love in Space EP >---------------------- > >TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > >Lord of Light 19.10.1996 Bristol >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Feb 1 04:44:34 1999 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:44:34 +0000 Subject: OFF: DownUnderRock and other gigs In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 31 Jan 1999 11:34:54 GMT." <167307.3126771294@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > > Speaking of rock from Well South. I note the Mutton Birds are > touring in the UK. I'm probably going to catch their Cambridge > gig on the 7th (after meeting up with Scott Heller in London). > Cathedral/Orange Goblin are playing the Camden Underworld on the > 6th and I've a conference to go in London on the 5th--so it looks > like a pretty London-heavy and gig-tastic weekend coming up for me! I see The Gathering play the garage on the 5th too. I seem to recall Scott enthusing about them here a while back. I expect I'll be there. Tim ObCD: Tribe of Cro, (found in Vancouver for can$ 4 !!! ) From pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Feb 1 04:52:04 1999 From: pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM (Juha Nurmenniemi) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 01:52:04 PST Subject: OFF: DownUnderRock and other gigs Message-ID: Hello Carl. If you go to the Cathedral/Orange Goblin show don?t miss Terra Firma who are fronted by Chris Linderson ,yes the man who sings Signs Of Life on the Pseudo Sun CD. Juba >>From owner-boc-l at listserv.spc.edu Sun Jan 31 03:39:51 1999 >Received: from listserv.spc.edu (listserv at listserv.spc.edu [192.107.46.113]) > by listserv.spc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.8/SPC-2.2-NORELAY) with ESMTP id GAA08382; > Sun, 31 Jan 1999 06:36:25 -0500 (EST) >Received: from LISTSERV.SPC.EDU by LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release > 1.8b) with spool id 3738 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 > 06:36:24 -0500 >Received: from mailgate.spc.edu (root at mailgate.spc.edu [192.107.46.158]) by > listserv.spc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.8/SPC-2.2-NORELAY) with ESMTP id GAA08375 > for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 06:36:23 -0500 (EST) >Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim at ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by > mailgate.spc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/SPC-3.0-NORELAY) with ESMTP id GAA17506 > for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 06:36:19 -0500 (EST) >Received: from cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.142.160]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk > with smtp (Exim 2.11 #2) id 106vAm-0006gX-00 for > BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 11:36:16 +0000 >X-Mailer: Mulberry (MacOS) [1.3.2.2, s/n S-100001] >X-Authenticated: cea20 by imap.cus.cam.ac.uk >X-Licensed-To: University of Cambridge >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserv.spc.edu id > GAA08376 >Message-ID: <167307.3126771294 at cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> >Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 11:34:54 +0000 >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >From: Carl Edlund Anderson >Subject: OFF: DownUnderRock and other gigs >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by listserv.spc.edu id GAA08382 > >On s=F6n 31 jan 1999 11.00 +0000 "Andy Gilham" M> >wrote: >> Me and Alun just got back from a totally excellent trip to Normandy to = >see >> the Deniz Tek Group! > > Speaking of rock from Well South. I note the Mutton Birds are >touring in the UK. I'm probably going to catch their Cambridge >gig on the 7th (after meeting up with Scott Heller in London). >Cathedral/Orange Goblin are playing the Camden Underworld on the >6th and I've a conference to go in London on the 5th--so it looks >like a pretty London-heavy and gig-tastic weekend coming up for me! > >Cheers, >Carl > >-- >Carl Edlund Anderson >Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic >St. John's College, University of Cambridge >mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk >http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Feb 1 05:23:21 1999 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:23:21 +0000 Subject: BOC: Friday Rock Show - Hear'n'Aid In-Reply-To: <199902011042.FAA21025@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: Indeed he did, and Buck got a mini solo all to himself. Eric sings the lines "We can be strong, We are fire and stone",after the first chorus. And the sixth (!) solo is by Brad Gillis / Craig Goldy / Donald "Buck Dharma" Roeser. It's a classic 'where are they now' track, featuring as it does (deep breath); Ronnie James Dio, Dave Meniketti, Rob Halford, Kevin Dubrow, Eric B, Paul Shortino, Geoff Tate and Don Dokken on vocals. Guitar solos by Craig Goldy, Eddie Ojeda, Vivian Campbell, Brad Gillis, Neal Schon, George Lynch, Yngwie Malmsteen, Carlos Cavazo and Buck Adrian Smith & Dave Murray played the melody lines. Eric gets two cover photos to Bucks one, and just to thro in a HW connection, Motorhead had a live version of "On The Road" on the album. Oh, and David St Hubbins & Derek Smalls were amongst a myriad of others on the chorus. Z At 04:41 01/02/1999 +0000, you wrote: >> Well those insomniac enough to stay up for VH1s Friday Rock Show were >> treated to a rare sighting of Messrs Bloom and Roeser, during a classic >> "where are they now video" - Stars by Hear'n'Aid. An absolute peach. > >If memory serves, Eric actually got to sing his very own solo line in >that, didn't he? > >-- Nick > Zeitgeist e-zine PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Feb 1 05:55:02 1999 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:55:02 +0000 Subject: OFF: Gigs In London Message-ID: As I'm doomed to spend most of the next month in London, is there a good on-line source for gigs, or will I have to buy Time Out. Z Zeitgeist e-zine PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Feb 1 06:50:55 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:50:55 GMT Subject: HW: Crystal Palace Vera Lynn In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Fri, 29 Jan 1999 21:36:07 +0000 Message-ID: > > I Remember the Crystal Palace Bash particularly for the encore of Hawkwind, > >Dr and the Medics, and loads of others featuring Vera Lynn singing "We'll > >meet again" and "white Cliffs of Dover". Now that would make for and > >interesting CD. Never mind the CD, has Vera been invited to the Ledge of Darkness reunion gigs? FoFP From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Mon Feb 1 10:22:12 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:22:12 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind 97, I'VE GOT IT !!! Message-ID: Hi Folks O happy day!!! The HAWKWIND97 CD arrived today!!!!!!!!!! It is a mixture of live recordings from the 1997 UK tour The sleeve looks great. It is NOT a CD-R !! Here are the tracks: - Wheels (Glasgow) - Phetamine Street (Leeds) - Fantasy (Norwich) - Alchemy (Newport) - Love In Space (Newport) - Aerospaceage Inferno (Liverpool) - Sonic Attac (Liverpool) - Blue Skin (Colchester) - Brainstorm (Liverpool) - Hawkwind In Your Area (Liverpool) - Raptoid Vision (Liverpool) - Ejection (Paighton) - Gremlin (Paighton) Bernhard From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Feb 1 11:37:12 1999 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:37:12 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind 97, I'VE GOT IT !!! In-Reply-To: <199902011522.QAA08249@mail.home.ins.de> Message-ID: No need to gloat:-) At least I managed to get on three of the tracks. Now I just have to sit and wait for it to arrive. Z At 16:22 01/02/1999 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Folks > > >O happy day!!! > >The HAWKWIND97 CD arrived today!!!!!!!!!! > >It is a mixture of live recordings from the 1997 UK tour > >The sleeve looks great. >It is NOT a CD-R !! > > >Here are the tracks: > >- Wheels (Glasgow) >- Phetamine Street (Leeds) >- Fantasy (Norwich) >- Alchemy (Newport) >- Love In Space (Newport) >- Aerospaceage Inferno (Liverpool) >- Sonic Attac (Liverpool) >- Blue Skin (Colchester) >- Brainstorm (Liverpool) >- Hawkwind In Your Area (Liverpool) >- Raptoid Vision (Liverpool) >- Ejection (Paighton) >- Gremlin (Paighton) > > >Bernhard > Zeitgeist e-zine PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Feb 1 12:34:23 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:34:23 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind 97, I'VE GOT IT !!! In-Reply-To: <199902011522.QAA08249@mail.home.ins.de> Message-ID: Yeah, it's not bad! Good sound, looks like a whole gig's worth from that tour. If you didn't know better you'd think they were competing with IYA... I like the cover on this one better! More on this later! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Bernhard Pospiech > Sent: 01 February 1999 15:22 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: HW: Hawkwind 97, I'VE GOT IT !!! > > > Hi Folks > > > O happy day!!! > > The HAWKWIND97 CD arrived today!!!!!!!!!! > > It is a mixture of live recordings from the 1997 UK tour > > The sleeve looks great. > It is NOT a CD-R !! > > > Here are the tracks: > > - Wheels (Glasgow) > - Phetamine Street (Leeds) > - Fantasy (Norwich) > - Alchemy (Newport) > - Love In Space (Newport) > - Aerospaceage Inferno (Liverpool) > - Sonic Attac (Liverpool) > - Blue Skin (Colchester) > - Brainstorm (Liverpool) > - Hawkwind In Your Area (Liverpool) > - Raptoid Vision (Liverpool) > - Ejection (Paighton) > - Gremlin (Paighton) > > > Bernhard > From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Feb 1 16:44:51 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 21:44:51 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind 97, I'VE GOT IT !!! In-Reply-To: <001101be4e09$1b831440$853f63c3@default> Message-ID: OK, there's a big overlap with IYA, which invites direct comparisons between the two. Where there are overlaps, I think that in most cases I slightly prefer the IYA versions - certainly the IYA version of "Inferno", Ron sounds a bit nasal on the HW97 version. But frankly there's not much in it. There's a good Jerry guitar break in the HW97 "Brainstorm" which lifts this version up, but the "In Your Area" rap ain't as good. HW97 hangs together as a unit better, it's a fun "Sonic Attack", and the encore version of "Gremlin" works well. Not sure about "Your Fantasy" - it might be someone's fantasy, but it's not *my* fantasy, you know what I'm saying. "Keeper of the Reptoid" is a Rizz rap - the "I think not!" bits are hysterical! "Wheels" is as good an opener on record as it was live. Not sure I needed another "Love in Space" in my life - that's, what, six versions already? HW97 explicitly says "no overdubs"; can't tell with IYA, but this might be in response to some of the negative reaction to BTL (which I really liked, but what do I know). Conclusion: if you enjoyed the 97 tour, and I reckoned it was one of the best in recent years, you'll know what to expect, and you'll enjoy this album. You know you want it! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Mon Feb 1 17:40:59 1999 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 22:40:59 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind 97, I'VE GOT IT !!! Message-ID: Just got mine too. Guess I'd pretty much agree with this appraisal. It seems to be more of an "official bootleg" than fully-fledged live album (there's no production credit). It does seem to have pros and cons next to IYA. It needs a few more listens yet to decide which I prefer. It's good to hear a full Reptoid Vision, and the Dibs-enhanced Ejection is tops. They didn't play Phetamine Street at any of the I went to (so far as I remember) which were scattered fairly evenly throughout the tour. Did they play it at many gigs? Nick -----Original Message----- From: Andy Gilham To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 01 February 1999 22:00 Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind 97, I'VE GOT IT !!! >OK, there's a big overlap with IYA, which invites direct comparisons between >the two. > >Where there are overlaps, I think that in most cases I slightly prefer the >IYA versions - certainly the IYA version of "Inferno", Ron sounds a bit >nasal on the HW97 version. But frankly there's not much in it. There's a >good Jerry guitar break in the HW97 "Brainstorm" which lifts this version >up, but the "In Your Area" rap ain't as good. HW97 hangs together as a unit >better, it's a fun "Sonic Attack", and the encore version of "Gremlin" works >well. Not sure about "Your Fantasy" - it might be someone's fantasy, but >it's not *my* fantasy, you know what I'm saying. "Keeper of the Reptoid" is >a Rizz rap - the "I think not!" bits are hysterical! "Wheels" is as good an >opener on record as it was live. Not sure I needed another "Love in Space" >in my life - that's, what, six versions already? > >HW97 explicitly says "no overdubs"; can't tell with IYA, but this might be >in response to some of the negative reaction to BTL (which I really liked, >but what do I know). > >Conclusion: if you enjoyed the 97 tour, and I reckoned it was one of the >best in recent years, you'll know what to expect, and you'll enjoy this >album. You know you want it! > >- Andy > >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Mon Feb 1 17:53:31 1999 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 17:53:31 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawk Fairies Message-ID: Have heard (and sold away for peanuts,) two albums by this creature. Don't know if this is one of them. If it is, I'd say it is worth exactly TWO yen. Whatever a yen is.... I am saying that I didn't like what I heard. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Greenhalgh To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Monday, February 01, 1999 4:39 AM Subject: HW: Hawk Fairies >'Scuse me for being horribly behind the times when it comes to obscure >Friends, relations and Mortal Enemies style releases, but can anyone >tell me whether "Hawk Fairies" is any good? Apparently it is from >Peterborough, 1995 and judging by the tracklist it has more to do with >Nikwind than Brockwind. > >More to the point, is it worth the 8000yen HMV want for it? > >Thank you, good people of the list. > >Dave From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Mon Feb 1 19:04:42 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:04:42 +0900 Subject: HW: Hawk Fairies Message-ID: It shall be left firmly on the shelf. Thanks sprawl wrote: > > Have heard (and sold away for peanuts,) two albums by this > creature. Don't know if this is one of them. If it is, I'd say it is > worth exactly TWO yen. Whatever a yen is.... > > I am saying that I didn't like what I heard. > > -----Original Message----- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Feb 1 20:24:01 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 01:24:01 +0000 Subject: OFF: DownUnderRock and other gigs Message-ID: On m?n 1 feb 1999 01.52 +0000 "Juha Nurmenniemi" wrote: > If you go to the Cathedral/Orange Goblin show don?t miss Terra Firma who > are fronted by Chris Linderson ,yes the man who sings Signs Of Life on > the Pseudo Sun CD. Excellent! I have heard good things about Terra Firma and this is more :) Cheers, Carl ps - your photos from J?nk?ping are being printed up! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Tue Feb 2 01:37:48 1999 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 07:37:48 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind 97, I'VE GOT IT !!! Message-ID: Hi >It's good >to hear a full Reptoid Vision, and the Dibs-enhanced Ejection is tops. >They didn't play Phetamine Street at any of the I went to (so far as I >remember) which were scattered fairly evenly throughout the tour. Did they >play it at many gigs? A friend of mine was drum-roadie on this tour. And he told me that they played PHETAMINE STREET only in LEEDS Bernhard From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Tue Feb 2 06:37:36 1999 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:37:36 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawkfans in Cuba? Message-ID: Does anyone know of any Hawkwind fans in Cuba? Kris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Feb 2 08:31:48 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:31:48 GMT Subject: HW: Hawkwind 97, I'VE GOT IT !!! In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:22:12 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hi Folks > > > O happy day!!! > > The HAWKWIND97 CD arrived today!!!!!!!!!! Blast - I keep forgetting to do this! Who should the cheque be written out to again? And how do I find out my passport number..... ta jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Tue Feb 2 08:47:00 1999 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:47:00 GMT Subject: HW: Hawkwind 97, I'VE Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1999-02-02 13:47 >Blast - I keep forgetting to do this! Who should the cheque be >written out to again? And how do I find out my passport number..... >ta >jill Hmmmmm..... someone remind me of that lyric from one of the songs on Sonic Attack: ....... and I.D cards Are next in line to DISREGARD From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Tue Feb 2 08:18:21 1999 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:18:21 +0200 Subject: HW: Elf and Hawk Message-ID: Hej, Here are my thoughts on the Elf and the Hawk after one listen: 1. I really think this is something only the die hard fans will want as most if it is pretty lame.. Specific comments.. The liner notes by Brian Tawn written in 1998 are so incredibly small you can hardly read them and from what I could read he does not mention anything about where the Dave Brock tune comes from or the two additional Alan Davey songs. Countdown.. this is pretty cool.. Ejection.. the shortest version ever... I wonder why it was cut down to under 3 min.. I know this is the version that was on the original 12" but just as Huw is getting going it fades.. Dark Empire- I thought this was pretty uninteresting.. Syndrome- Very thin crap sound and a lamne tune with a guitar player whos sounds like a poor version of Huw.. Ghost Dance- Pretty interesting version actually.. The Give me my Heart Chant is included... Entropy Tango is really just filler in my eyes. Underground Zero is actullay quite good and remind me of a less aggressive Omnia Opera (or where Omnia Opera a more aggressive UZ?) Dave Brock- Burn me Up.. No information on the this tune.. SOunds like it was recorded in the 80's though. I quite like it. I wish Dave would play this kind of guitar now days.. Great wah guitar. The Elf EP is ok.. but the material really sounds pretty lame compared to the rich, driving synth mad stuff that Alan is doing now. Fractal Hunter and Space Rock by Alan were for sure recorded later than the Elf EP stuff as the sound is much better and the bass lines really clear but it is not on the home demos I have from 1990..?? Pxr1 covers Spirit of the Age and I infact, liked this song the best of the whole disc.. Very cool, spacey long version with nice synth passages.. Overall, a rating of about a 4 out of 10.. scott ObCD- Psychomuzak- Send R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Department of Developmental Biology Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 37 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Feb 2 09:22:34 1999 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:22:34 -0500 Subject: BOC: Jaxx show on 1/29 Message-ID: Oh dear, I do hope AB was at this show. If not, he's not gonna want to read the rest of this post... Apparently Kasim Sulton did not play at the 1/29 Jaxx gig. No, Allen was not there either. The 2nd guitar/keyboard duties were handled by (and I assume that this one just for that night) SAVATAGE guitarist Al Pitrelli. No, I'm not making this up. The following was posted to Jack Heffling's BOC board: Here's a review of Fri. nights (1/29) show at Jaxx in Springfield, VA. BOC played before a nearly packed house, and the crowd was up for the show. As BOC opened the show with Burnin', I was expecting to see long time Todd Rundgren/Utopia bassist Kasim Sultin handling the keyboards/guitar for the recovering Allen Lanier. Instead, Allen's place was taken by Al Petrelli from the metal band; Savatage! Apparantly, it was his first show with BOC, and it showed. The set was SHORT! and lacked the energy that recent BOC shows have displayed. Al was reading from sheet music and Danny Miranda spent a great deal of the show on that side of the stage coaching Al and at several points during the performance, calling out the cord changes to Al. Now, before I say anything else, let me say that dispite the shows short length, and the problems breaking in the new member, there was a lot of good music that night. The set list went as follows: (Note: I may have some of the songs slightly out of order, but included all the songs played that night) Burnin' Cities On Flame ETI Buck's Boogie Harvest Moon Take Me Away See You In Black Flaming Telepaths Astronomy In Thee Me-262 (very short version) Godzilla ( Short Danny solo, OUTSTANDING!! Bobby drum solo!!) Reaper Encores: Dominence & Submission Red & Black The highlights of the show for me were: A killer version of Take Me Away, and Buck's solo on Astronomy. Al Petrelli really couldn't handle the key board solo on Flaming Telepaths, but on the guitar break in the middle of Harvest Moon he really "smoked". To be fair to Al, I spoke (briefly) with him after the show and he took the gig on short notice and actually did a good job considering the amount of material he had to cover. I don't know what happened to Kasim Sultin, but Al Petrelli should be thanked for helping out and allowing BOC to continue to perform during Allen's recovery. BOC is scheduled to perform in Fredrick MD. next Fri. at Exhale. I might try and catch the show and see how Al has progressed since the Jaxx show. John From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Feb 2 10:14:57 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:14:57 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkfans in Cuba? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , XXX writes > > Does anyone know of any Hawkwind fans in Cuba? > > Kris Thinks....It was all going swell till "The Business Trip" came out. Castro didn't realise the title was ironic. Hawkwind cited as imperialist lackeys. Band driven underground. :( Still, at least you can get 40 Havana Cigars for your Chaos Shield copy of Warrior on the Edge Of Time. Meanwhile, back in reality.... um, sorry, Kris, not personally, no.. -- Jon From mordru at FLITE.NET Tue Feb 2 10:45:19 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:45:19 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkfans in Cuba? Message-ID: >In article , XXX OBALNET.CO.UK> writes >> >> Does anyone know of any Hawkwind fans in Cuba? >> >> Kris > >Thinks....It was all going swell till "The Business Trip" came out. >Castro didn't realise the title was ironic. Hawkwind cited as >imperialist lackeys. Band driven underground. :( > >Still, at least you can get 40 Havana Cigars for your Chaos Shield copy >of Warrior on the Edge Of Time. > >Meanwhile, back in reality.... >um, sorry, Kris, not personally, no.. I dunno. I live in south Florida, sometimes get radio from Bahamas and Cuba. Every once in awhile, the following is heard over the radio: Soy el amo del universo El viento de tiempo sopla por m? Y todo mueve relacionado a m? Es todo un pens? de mi mente En un mundo que he dise?ado Soy cargado con la energ?a cosmica ?Este mundo est? loco o es yo? but it is always squelched badly, and shortly thereafter the following is heard clearly: No as?stese ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Feb 2 11:25:49 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:25:49 GMT Subject: FAO: Andy G Message-ID: Andy, Re that Hawkwind CD set I mentioned. I saw a reference to it on the "CD Universe" Web site. Title is "The Entire and Infinite Universe of Hawkwind" It's on Dressed To Kill catalogue number 98. It was due on December 15th. It has UPC (whatever that is?) 66662910042 It's listed as a 3CD set of: Master of the Universe Bring Me The Head of Yuri Gagarin Space Ritual Text of Festival (entirety of) Now I'd assume that they mean Space Ritual II and that this is a rerelease of the Welcome to the Future double CD. This does however raise the question as to whether this collection really has all of Text of Festival on CD (where the prior collection did miss one of the four LP sides). There was a promise at the time that a rerelease would fix this. It'd certainly be great if you folks could find out, and I'd buy a copy just to get the complete Text of Festival on CD. Listed price at CD Universe is 18 Dollars. Cheers Mike From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Feb 2 11:24:23 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:24:23 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkfans in Cuba? In-Reply-To: <199902021545.KAA27406@in.flite.net> Message-ID: >Soy el amo del universo >El viento de tiempo sopla por m? >Y todo mueve relacionado a m? >Es todo un pens? de mi mente >En un mundo que he dise?ado >Soy cargado con la energ?a cosmica >?Este mundo est? loco o es yo? >Andrew Apold 8-))))))))))))))))))))))))))) (NB. these are many smiles and not many chins, yet) that is VERY funny, now if i had any linguistic skills i would be second to continue this thread of trans. of masters, but i don't so i won't. andrew "This song, Ping pong" - Thee Headcoats From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Feb 2 11:28:12 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:28:12 GMT Subject: HW: Entire and Infinite Universe of... Message-ID: Copy of mail to Andy G: ---- Start of forwarded text ---- > From: M Holmes > Subject: FAO: Andy G > Re that Hawkwind CD set I mentioned. I saw a reference to it on the > "CD Universe" Web site. > > Title is "The Entire and Infinite Universe of Hawkwind" > > It's on Dressed To Kill catalogue number 98. It was due on December > 15th. It has UPC (whatever that is?) 66662910042 > > It's listed as a 3CD set of: > > Master of the Universe > Bring Me The Head of Yuri Gagarin > Space Ritual > Text of Festival (entirety of) > > Now I'd assume that they mean Space Ritual II and that this is a > rerelease of the Welcome to the Future double CD. This does however > raise the question as to whether this collection really has all of Text > of Festival on CD (where the prior collection did miss one of the four > LP sides). There was a promise at the time that a rerelease would fix > this. > > It'd certainly be great if you folks could find out, and I'd buy a copy > just to get the complete Text of Festival on CD. Listed price at CD > Universe is 18 Dollars. > > Cheers > > Mike > ---- End of forwarded text ---- From mordru at FLITE.NET Tue Feb 2 11:35:35 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:35:35 -0500 Subject: FAO: Andy G Message-ID: >Andy, > >Re that Hawkwind CD set I mentioned. I saw a reference to it on the >"CD Universe" Web site. > >Title is "The Entire and Infinite Universe of Hawkwind" > >It's on Dressed To Kill catalogue number 98. It was due on December >15th. It has UPC (whatever that is?) 66662910042 > >It's listed as a 3CD set of: > >Master of the Universe >Bring Me The Head of Yuri Gagarin >Space Ritual >Text of Festival (entirety of) Um, wouldn't that be a 4CD set? I believe this is identical to the recent 'Welcome to the Future' 4cd set, consisting of the same 4 cds. Cover showed picture of the earth from space. ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Feb 2 11:55:58 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:55:58 GMT Subject: FAO: Andy G In-Reply-To: Andrew A. Apold's message of Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:35:35 -0500 Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold writes: > >Andy, > > > >Re that Hawkwind CD set I mentioned. I saw a reference to it on the > >"CD Universe" Web site. > > > >Title is "The Entire and Infinite Universe of Hawkwind" > > > >It's on Dressed To Kill catalogue number 98. It was due on December > >15th. It has UPC (whatever that is?) 66662910042 > > > >It's listed as a 3CD set of: > > > >Master of the Universe > >Bring Me The Head of Yuri Gagarin > >Space Ritual > >Text of Festival (entirety of) > > Um, wouldn't that be a 4CD set? It's listed as a 3 CD set on the CD Universe Web page. I'd suppose that it would be possible to squeeze all thos tracks onto 3 CD's, particularly if they've acknowledged that Master of the Universe (also known as In The Beginning) is just the first two sides of Text of Festival. > I believe this is identical to the recent 'Welcome to the Future' > 4cd set, consisting of the same 4 cds. Cover showed picture of the earth > from space. Possibly. However during debate at the time of the WttF release, there was a promise of a rerelease containing all of Text of Festival. This would (just about) make the set worth buying for the sake of completeness. I'm not saying that, against the odds, someone has paid attention to what the fans have said and done something right for a change, just that it is actually possible. FoFP From flossbac at NLCI.COM Tue Feb 2 13:55:30 1999 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (John Majka) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:55:30 -0500 Subject: OFF: sequencing software? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, I am looking for a copy of Cakewalk Pro version 6 or higher....can anyone out there help me out by making a CDR copy of said program or otherwise letting me copy it? John Majka flossbac at nlci.com From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Feb 2 14:04:35 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:04:35 -0800 Subject: OFF: I couldn't resist Message-ID: >It's a classic 'where are they now' track, featuring as it does (deep breath); Ronnie James Dio, >> Dave Meniketti<< Big Man Dave, I love this guy. Ya I take a lot of ribbing for liking an 80's hairband but really, give Y&T's Musically Incorrect and the latest, Endangered Species a listen. Dave and Phil Kenmore have cut the long locks and been doing some pretty good stuff with these two. Try it, go on I dare ya. L8er Ghost in the Ruins OBCD - Endangered Species, Y&T From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Tue Feb 2 14:39:15 1999 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:39:15 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind 97, I'VE GOT IT !!! Message-ID: Leeds is Ron's home town, I believe? I'm sure I saw him with Bastard supporting HW there at least a couple of times. Nick -----Original Message----- From: Pospiech, Bernhard To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 02 February 1999 06:36 Subject: Re: HW: Hawkwind 97, I'VE GOT IT !!! > >A friend of mine was drum-roadie on this tour. And he told me that they >played PHETAMINE STREET only in LEEDS > > > >Bernhard From StevenTice at AOL.COM Tue Feb 2 15:59:02 1999 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:59:02 EST Subject: BOC: Jaxx show on 1/29 Sulton vs. Petrelli Message-ID: Bolle says that Kasim Sulton had prior commitment to Meatloaf and probably won't be back....but that Al Petrelli is an excellent musician and should fill Sulton's shoes admirably. Most likely return date for Allen Lanier: sometime in April. SET From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Tue Feb 2 19:12:26 1999 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:12:26 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawk Fairies Message-ID: Hey don't just take -my- opinion! I might not know what I am talking about! Get at least a second... Rj -----Original Message----- From: Dave Greenhalgh To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Monday, February 01, 1999 7:16 PM Subject: Re: HW: Hawk Fairies >It shall be left firmly on the shelf. > >Thanks > >sprawl wrote: >> >> Have heard (and sold away for peanuts,) two albums by this >> creature. Don't know if this is one of them. If it is, I'd say it is >> worth exactly TWO yen. Whatever a yen is.... >> >> I am saying that I didn't like what I heard. >> >> -----Original Message----- From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Feb 2 20:20:57 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:20:57 -0800 Subject: HW: Hawk Fairies Message-ID: OK - here's my opinion. I haven't actually heard the Hawk Fairies album, but I have the Pinkwind one, which as I understand, is pretty similar. I'm a big fan of Nik, and I think Trev Thoms' guitar playing on the album is really good (very Brock-ish), but I never listen to the record. I think that sums it up. (but, if you gotta have EVERYTHING Nik, even the gigs he does in a tuxedo, then go for it!) -Doug ceres at sirius.com On Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:12:26 -0500, sprawl wrote: >Hey don't just take -my- opinion! I might not know what I am talking about! >Get at least a second... >Rj >-----Original Message----- >From: Dave Greenhalgh >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Date: Monday, February 01, 1999 7:16 PM >Subject: Re: HW: Hawk Fairies >>It shall be left firmly on the shelf. >> >>Thanks >> >>>sprawl wrote: >>> >>> Have heard (and sold away for peanuts,) two albums by this >>> creature. Don't know if this is one of them. If it is, I'd say it is >>> worth exactly TWO yen. Whatever a yen is.... >>> >>> I am saying that I didn't like what I heard. From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Tue Feb 2 20:30:01 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:30:01 +0900 Subject: HW: Hawk Fairies Message-ID: sprawl wrote: > > Hey don't just take -my- opinion! I might not know what I am talking about! > Get at least a second... > Ah - but no one else expressed one Never having been a Fairies fan, I think I can be comfortable with myself not buying it! Dave > >> worth exactly TWO yen. Whatever a yen is.... About 0.5pence UK, so 8000 is a bit over 40stlg, decisions are easily made! From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Feb 2 21:15:46 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 02:15:46 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawk Fairies Message-ID: On tis 2 feb 1999 19.12 -0500 sprawl wrote: > Hey don't just take -my- opinion! I might not know what I am talking about! > Get at least a second... There are ............. better albums ... ;) Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Feb 2 22:24:14 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 22:24:14 -0500 Subject: HW/OFF: New at Aural Innovations Message-ID: Hi Folks... I've finished some things up for the Aural Innovations website (URL below), and thought some of you might be interested in checking them out. As I had posted earlier, I was working on creating a Scandinavian (incl. Finland) map/link page that indicated the locations of all the space rock and psychedelic bands. Well, I've finished version 1.0, which is now up on the AI site. There are still a few bands to add (In the Labyrinth, ST. Mikael, Simon Says, Motorpsycho?), and I'm not certain the ones I already have are all properly located. (For instance, I have Akasha in Finnsnes, Norge, and can't now confirm that's where they were from. I'm afraid I may have 'made that up' via random positioning during the map's creation. Same with Tr?d, Gr?s, och Stenar (G?teborg?), and I only guessed on The Word of Life (Stockholm), and optical blue (Ume?), based on their respective label headquarters. And where the heck *is* Korgsberga, home of darXtar!?!? I assume it's a suburb of Stockholm, but it must be pretty damn small, as no map shows it.) BTW, happy C?rl?? :) Anyway, I hope that eventually we'll have a whole suite of maps (UK and Germany next??) for use as web link devices, and for 'geographical guidance.' Any additions/corrections are still requested. Also, the 'Space Rock' Xword puzzle I made for the most recent issue of Aural Innovations (Issue #5) is also now up on the site. Try it out and see if you can trudge through it! For the magazine, the puzzles are the basis for a contest we'll be running each issue to win free CDs & stuff (the next one's already prepared). I don't believe that simply downloading the puzzle from the web and submitting the solution to Jerry electronically (or otherwise) will allow you to enter the contest...sorry. Although, if you were to send it in via snail mail (by 3/15) with a subscription order ($10/4 issues, $14 overseas), I think you would then be eligible to win the CDs (listed below). (Sorry about the hard-line tactics, but we need the subscribers to support doing the 'zine.) I don't believe the puzzle should be too difficult for you all to solve, though I can't really be sure, since I made it myself and all the answers are hence eminently familiar to me. But I hoped that unfamiliar clues would turn folks towards looking up websites on particular bands and/or reading other AI reviews and such to find some answers. That I encourage. But, of course, I hope you'll all work independently, as opposed to posting the key here on boc-l!! I'm here, you know! :) (And on spacerockers, pt-trans, isi krautrock, r.m.p. etc. etc.) Below are the directions for solving the puzzle, and how to enter if you want to subscribe to the mag. (Of course, if you already subscribe, or purchased a single hard copy from a distributor, then your entry would automatically be valid.) BTW, if we get *many* more than five correct solutions, then once the 5 CDs (listed below) are claimed via the random drawing, that'll be it for prizes. If there are something like 7 or 8 folks that submit correct entries, then I'll probably come up with a couple of other consolation prizes such that everyone gets something. But you're not absolutely guaranteed a free disc by ordering/entering...just so that's clear. Keith ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Send entries (with your name and address) to: Jerry Kranitz 1364 W. 7th Ave., Apt. B Columbus, OH 43212 Entries (1 per household) must be postmarked by March 15, 1999. Any solution will be deemed valid that correctly produces the lyrical quote; however, though not graded for accuracy, the crossword puzzle must be completed in its entirety. Correct solution will appear in AI#6 (April, 1999). From all valid entries, a random drawing will be held to determine the five winners, also to be announced in AI#6. Prizes (indicate your preferences and we'll try to award the prizes accordingly): 1. Vocokesh - Paradise Revisited (1998) - Milwaukee, WI space rock (see review in this issue) 2. Simon - Writing on the Cosmic Wheel (1998) - Pittsburgh, PA "space-hop" (see review in AI#4) 3. Guru Guru - Space Ship compilation (1996) - Legendary German psych/ freak-out masters 4. Kranky label sampler (1998) - Chicago, IL label that features drone-rockers Magnog, Jessamine, Windy & Carl, Roy Montgomery, among others 5. Krel - Ad Astra (1997) - UK space rock (see review in AI#3); courtesy Peace of Mind Records ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Keith H. (FAA) Aural Innovations website: http://www.infinet.com/~jkranitz/space/space.html From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Feb 3 01:16:56 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 01:16:56 EST Subject: HW: Hawk Fairies Message-ID: if it's like the pinkwind stuff, then it's off-the-cuff hit-or-miss jamming...one for the archives, perhaps, but as previously stated, not one to get a lot of play.... From henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Wed Feb 3 02:44:52 1999 From: henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:44:52 +0100 Subject: SV: HW/OFF: New at Aural Innovations Message-ID: Hi Keith! Concerning Trad, gras & stenar; I couldn?t make it to the public library last weekend so I?ll try again tomorrow1 Korsberga is a small village between V?xj? and Vetlanda in the south of Sweden, not shure if you will find it on a map though! Cheers Hawkswede >Hi Folks... > > > >I've finished some things up for the Aural Innovations website (URL below), >and thought some of you might be interested in checking them out. > >As I had posted earlier, I was working on creating a Scandinavian (incl. >Finland) map/link page that indicated the locations of all the space rock >and psychedelic bands. Well, I've finished version 1.0, which is now up on >the AI site. There are still a few bands to add (In the Labyrinth, ST. >Mikael, Simon Says, Motorpsycho?), and I'm not certain the ones I already >have are all properly located. (For instance, I have Akasha in Finnsnes, >Norge, and can't now confirm that's where they were from. I'm afraid I may >have 'made that up' via random positioning during the map's creation. Same >with Tr?d, Gr?s, och Stenar (G?teborg?), and I only guessed on The Word of >Life (Stockholm), and optical blue (Ume?), based on their respective label >headquarters. And where the heck *is* Korgsberga, home of darXtar!?!? I >assume it's a suburb of Stockholm, but it must be pretty damn small, as no >map shows it.) BTW, happy C?rl?? :) > >Anyway, I hope that eventually we'll have a whole suite of maps (UK and >Germany next??) for use as web link devices, and for 'geographical >guidance.' Any additions/corrections are still requested. > >Also, the 'Space Rock' Xword puzzle I made for the most recent issue of >Aural Innovations (Issue #5) is also now up on the site. Try it out and see >if you can trudge through it! For the magazine, the puzzles are the basis >for a contest we'll be running each issue to win free CDs & stuff (the next >one's already prepared). I don't believe that simply downloading the puzzle >from the web and submitting the solution to Jerry electronically (or >otherwise) will allow you to enter the contest...sorry. Although, if you >were to send it in via snail mail (by 3/15) with a subscription order ($10/4 >issues, $14 overseas), I think you would then be eligible to win the CDs >(listed below). (Sorry about the hard-line tactics, but we need the >subscribers to support doing the 'zine.) > >I don't believe the puzzle should be too difficult for you all to solve, >though I can't really be sure, since I made it myself and all the answers >are hence eminently familiar to me. But I hoped that unfamiliar clues would >turn folks towards looking up websites on particular bands and/or reading >other AI reviews and such to find some answers. That I encourage. But, of >course, I hope you'll all work independently, as opposed to posting the key >here on boc-l!! I'm here, you know! :) (And on spacerockers, pt-trans, isi >krautrock, r.m.p. etc. etc.) > >Below are the directions for solving the puzzle, and how to enter if you >want to subscribe to the mag. (Of course, if you already subscribe, or >purchased a single hard copy from a distributor, then your entry would >automatically be valid.) BTW, if we get *many* more than five correct >solutions, then once the 5 CDs (listed below) are claimed via the random >drawing, that'll be it for prizes. If there are something like 7 or 8 folks >that submit correct entries, then I'll probably come up with a couple of >other consolation prizes such that everyone gets something. But you're not >absolutely guaranteed a free disc by ordering/entering...just so that's >clear. Keith >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Send entries (with your name and address) to: > >Jerry Kranitz >1364 W. 7th Ave., Apt. B >Columbus, OH 43212 > >Entries (1 per household) must be postmarked by March 15, 1999. Any >solution will be deemed valid that correctly produces the lyrical quote; >however, though not graded for accuracy, the crossword puzzle must be >completed in its entirety. Correct solution will appear in AI#6 (April, >1999). From all valid entries, a random drawing will be held to determine >the five winners, also to be announced in AI#6. > >Prizes (indicate your preferences and we'll try to award the prizes >accordingly): >1. Vocokesh - Paradise Revisited (1998) - Milwaukee, WI space rock (see >review in this issue) >2. Simon - Writing on the Cosmic Wheel (1998) - Pittsburgh, PA "space-hop" >(see review in AI#4) >3. Guru Guru - Space Ship compilation (1996) - Legendary German psych/ > freak-out masters >4. Kranky label sampler (1998) - Chicago, IL label that features >drone-rockers Magnog, Jessamine, Windy & Carl, Roy Montgomery, among others >5. Krel - Ad Astra (1997) - UK space rock (see review in AI#3); courtesy >Peace of Mind Records >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Keith H. (FAA) >Aural Innovations website: >http://www.infinet.com/~jkranitz/space/space.html > From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Wed Feb 3 04:52:08 1999 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:52:08 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkfans in Cuba? In-Reply-To: <199902021545.KAA27406@in.flite.net> Message-ID: >In article , XXX OBALNET.CO.UK> writes >> >> Does anyone know of any Hawkwind fans in Cuba? >> >> Kris > >Thinks....It was all going swell till "The Business Trip" came out. >Castro didn't realise the title was ironic. Hawkwind cited as >imperialist lackeys. Band driven underground. :( > >Still, at least you can get 40 Havana Cigars for your Chaos Shield copy >of Warrior on the Edge Of Time. > >Meanwhile, back in reality.... >um, sorry, Kris, not personally, no.. Does that mean that I'd 80 Havanas for a Mike Moorcock autographed Warrior LP????? (Or 80 joints!) Any offers!! Guy Thomas From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Wed Feb 3 05:13:53 1999 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:13:53 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawk Fairies In-Reply-To: <00a401be4f09$e71278c0$23a48fcc@sprawl> Message-ID: As I am the other person who habitually chips in at this point let me agree. It is dreadful. I have given it long track by track slagging offs in the past, even relistened to it to see if I was being unduly harsh. And no, it *is* pants and should be left in the section marked cheese. One other person on the list has said it isn't too bad, if they post again, ignore them for they must be delusional. Let me state this as clearly as I can. Poor CD. Avoid. Pass on it, pass it on. Mike w On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, sprawl wrote: > Hey don't just take -my- opinion! I might not know what I am talking about! > Get at least a second... > > Rj > From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Feb 3 05:19:07 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:19:07 +0000 Subject: HW/OFF: New at Aural Innovations Message-ID: On tis 2 feb 1999 22.24 -0500 "Keith Henderson" wrote: > BTW, happy C?rl?? :) ? y?s, ?bs?lutly ;) Ha det, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Feb 3 05:24:18 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:24:18 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawk Fairies Message-ID: On ons 3 feb 1999 01.16 +0000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > if it's like the pinkwind stuff, then it's off-the-cuff hit-or-miss > jamming...one for the archives, perhaps, but as previously stated, not one to > get a lot of play.... Good to see you here, Larry :) The world *is* getting smaller! (But, hopefully, louder :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Feb 3 06:09:02 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:09:02 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkfans in Cuba? In-Reply-To: <1408520903021999/A02073/LNMV02/11D21A740700*@MHS> Message-ID: In article <1408520903021999/A02073/LNMV02/11D21A740700*@MHS>, LN1GJT writes > >Does that mean that I'd 80 Havanas for a Mike Moorcock autographed Warrior >LP????? (Or 80 joints!) > >Any offers!! > Well, although you're walking distance from me, Guy, sadly the deals only good *in HAVANA*. You have to smuggle your vinyl through customs, hence the price! -- Jon From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Wed Feb 3 04:23:25 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:23:25 +0000 Subject: BOC: Sighting...? Message-ID: My future nephew-in-law (or whatever you'd call him) works for a company called BOC Gases in the Bethlehem, PA. area. I have no idea what they do. I just found this out over the weekend. Weird, huh? -- Nick From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Feb 3 09:29:52 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:29:52 EST Subject: HW: Hawkfans in Cuba? Message-ID: amusing to see a phrase like "driven underground" in regards to hawkwind....as if prior to that they'd been something other than "underground".... From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Feb 3 09:35:58 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:35:58 EST Subject: HW: Hawk Fairies Message-ID: stuff like pinkwind (which i've heard; got the board tape) and hawkfairies (which i havent heard)....is an emperor's new clothes kinda deal...you keep waiting for someone to stand up and say "look, this is sloppy crap from a bunch of stoned people"....and as such it's not heinous, but if i couldnt trade for it as a tape there's no way i'd spend money on it... From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Feb 3 09:37:51 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:37:51 EST Subject: HW/OFF: New at Aural Innovations Message-ID: ha ha..... can't find the "umlaut" key.... From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Feb 3 09:40:24 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:40:24 EST Subject: HW: Hawk Fairies Message-ID: yea bo, carl>>>>>we'll see how long it takes for me to piss somebody off!>>>>>larry From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Feb 3 09:51:35 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 06:51:35 -0800 Subject: BOC: Jaxx show on 1/29 Message-ID: >Oh dear, I do hope AB was at this show. If not, he's not gonna want to read the rest of this post... Say what? >Bolle says that Kasim Sulton had prior commitment to Meatloaf and probably won't be back....but that Al Petrelli is an excellent musician and should fill Sulton's shoes admirably. Most likely return date for Allen Lanier: sometime in April. WHAT THE FARK! Uh-uh no way. This ain't happening....I gotta talk to Clay about this... Ghost in the Ruins From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Wed Feb 3 09:54:24 1999 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (Michael R Godwin) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:54:24 +0000 Subject: BOC: Sighting...? In-Reply-To: <199902031525.KAA06870@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, wrote: > My future nephew-in-law (or whatever you'd call him) works for a > company called BOC Gases in the Bethlehem, PA. area. I have no idea > what they do. I just found this out over the weekend. Weird, huh? > > -- Nick Could well be the British Oxygen Company. - Mike Godwin From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Feb 3 10:06:06 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:06:06 -0600 Subject: BOC: At Jaxx Message-ID: Ok, ok I'm calm now. This makes some sense as Al grew up and still lives in Northern VA. He's got a lot of skills, even played some keys at the first Savatage show with a broken arm no less. This gig is also referenced on the Savatage Bulletin board. Sorry I missed it but I'm worried that Al might be hanging out with da Oysterboys until Alan's return which means he can't tour or finish the new album with Savatage. Looking to see where Sava stands on completing the new one. I wouldn't want this to interfere. By all means catch the next show with Al its likely to be a real killer. Geez you scared me John... Ghost in the Ruins "And so he says to me, he says to me, you got style baby but if your going to be a real villian you gotta get a gimmick. And so I go , I says yeah baby a gimmick that's it. High Explosives." - Evil Midnight Bomber OBCD: IV - Mahogany Rush From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Feb 3 10:15:00 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:15:00 EST Subject: BOC: Jaxx show on 1/29 Message-ID: kasim sultan, the guy from todd's utopia, playing in boc? hmmm...interesting From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Feb 3 10:36:23 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:36:23 -0000 Subject: BOC: Sighting...? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > My future nephew-in-law (or whatever you'd call him) works for a > > company called BOC Gases in the Bethlehem, PA. area. I have no idea > > what they do. I just found this out over the weekend. Weird, huh? > > > > -- Nick > > Could well be the British Oxygen Company. > > - Mike Godwin As was. They're now just called the BOC Group. The share price has been fluctuating a bit over the last few months - a speculaitve invesment only, I'd say. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 3 11:48:41 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:48:41 GMT Subject: BOC: Sighting...? In-Reply-To: Michael R Godwin's message of Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:54:24 +0000 Message-ID: Michael R Godwin writes: > On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, wrote: > > My future nephew-in-law (or whatever you'd call him) works for a > > company called BOC Gases in the Bethlehem, PA. area. I have no idea > > what they do. I just found this out over the weekend. Weird, huh? > > > > -- Nick > > Could well be the British Oxygen Company. Breathe deep While you sleep Breathe deep...... ah gods - the older brain cells must be the only ones awake at the moment. I dunno where that memory suddenly emerged from! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Feb 3 12:34:54 1999 From: brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Brian Coulthard) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 17:34:54 -0000 Subject: HW97 In-Reply-To: <199902031000.FAA21233@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Hello All I have just been listening to the Hawkwind97 album i particularly like the version of ejection I am a bit dissapointed that Assasins of Allah was not on it as I remmeber Rizz enjoying himself immensely shouting Hashish alot. I cannot beleive my luck two excellent albums in two weeks I am not worthy. I have the Hawk Fairies album on order at the moment and judging by the comments going around it doesn`t look like I am going for the hattrick. Brian From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 3 13:33:01 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 18:33:01 GMT Subject: HW97 In-Reply-To: Brian Coulthard's message of Wed, 3 Feb 1999 17:34:54 -0000 Message-ID: Brian Coulthard writes: > Hello All > I have just been listening to the Hawkwind97 album i particularly > like the version of ejection I am a bit dissapointed that Assasins of Allah > was not on it as I remmeber Rizz enjoying himself immensely shouting Hashish > alot. I cannot beleive my luck two excellent albums in two weeks I am not > worthy. I have the Hawk Fairies album on order at the moment and judging by > the comments going around it doesn`t look like I am going for the hattrick. > Brian IMO - I have to agree that I would only recommend Pink Fairies for the serious kollector rather than for their high quality of music except for the Paradise Island CD which was released a year or so ago. The first two or three tracks are just lightweight oddities, but the final track is a glorious instrumental jamming session of the kind that Hawkwind did way back in the eldern days with layers of sound gradually building up from a simple start and it lasts about 20 minutes. I love it! no apologies 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Feb 3 14:07:27 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:07:27 +0000 Subject: HW97 Message-ID: On ons 3 feb 1999 18.33 +0000 "J Strobridge" wrote: > IMO - I have to agree that I would only recommend Pink Fairies for > the serious kollector rather than for their high quality of music > except for the Paradise Island CD which was released a year or so ago. Disagreement! The _Mandies and Mescaline 'Round Uncle Harry's_ (or something like that) live CD (BBC? John Peel?) is brilliant :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Feb 3 14:49:31 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:49:31 -0800 Subject: OFF: Pink Fairies (was: Re: HW97) Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:07:27 +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >On ons 3 feb 1999 18.33 +0000 "J Strobridge" >wrote: >> IMO - I have to agree that I would only recommend Pink Fairies for >> the serious kollector rather than for their high quality of music >> except for the Paradise Island CD which was released a year or so ago. > > Disagreement! The _Mandies and Mescaline 'Round Uncle Harry's_ >(or something like that) live CD (BBC? John Peel?) is brilliant :) I must agree with Carl here, but also point out that two different things are being talked about. The original 3 Pink Fairies albums ('Never Never Land', 'What A Bunch of Sweeties' & 'Kings of Oblivion') are ESSENTIAL hard rock/psych albums with great scorching guitar by Paul Rudolph (pre-Eno, Calvert, Hawkwind) or (later) Larry Wallis (pre-Mot?rhead, who continued playing his songs live for a couple years after he left, e.g. "City Kids", "On Parole"). The album Carl is referring to (which is available in 3 different configurations in 3 different countries!) consists entirely of excellent recordings from this era, and the US version of Cleopatra ('The Golden Years' or something like that) also includes their 2 tracks from the 'Glastonbury Fayre' comp ("Do It" totally rocks, and the 18-minute version of "Uncle Harry's Last Freakout" is definitely one of the great guitar freakouts). On the other hand, the various later incarnations of the Pink Fairies have all been fairly spotty, especially since there are two camps claiming the name (shades of HW!). The 80s full-band reunion ('Kill 'em and Eat 'em') had its moments (Mick Farren's "Waiting For The Ice Cream to Melt" is a great 80s-psych anthem), but the playing is sorta weak and the production sorta thin & 80s-cheesy IMHO. Pretty much everything since then released under the PF name is Twink-related (after he fell out with the rest of the band for the umpteenth time), which (unfortunately) seems to result in a severe lack of quality control, although I've heard great things about the lengthy track on 'Pleasure Island' (recorded by Twink & Paul Rudolph) that Jill refers to. I'd definitely say that the Pinkwind album (Nik, Twink, Trev Thoms & a couple of no-names) falls under that category. But the early 70s stuff is great! Buy it! -Doug ceres at sirius.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Feb 3 15:07:42 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:07:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: Sky Cries Mary Message-ID: Hi Folks... Anybody on the west coast going to check out Sky Cries Mary?? Doug?? Just wondering. They have a new guitarist (Bill Bernhard) and have been doing some new material. Keith H. (FAA) 2/3 - Los Angeles, CA @ the Troubadour 2/4 - Sacramento, CA @ Harlos 2/5 - San Francisco, CA @ the Maritime 2/6 - Eugene, OR @ Wow Hall 2/7 - Portland, OR @ the Roseland Grill 2/13-Seattle, WA @ the Fenix From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Wed Feb 3 15:57:50 1999 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:57:50 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawk Fairies Message-ID: Hmm, I've got the Pinkwind album which sound fairly terrible, which is a shame 'cos the Pinkwind gigs that I got to were quite a hoot. The gig at Glasto '94 in the battery powered Rainbow Dragon tent was excellent, but that could've just been down to the, erm, "atmosphere". In short, I would recommend recorded Pinkwind or Hawkfairies, or whatever, but live they're definitely worth a go. Nick -----Original Message----- From: DASLUD at AOL.COM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 03 February 1999 14:39 Subject: Re: HW: Hawk Fairies >stuff like pinkwind (which i've heard; got the board tape) and hawkfairies >(which i havent heard)....is an emperor's new clothes kinda deal...you keep >waiting for someone to stand up and say "look, this is sloppy crap from a >bunch of stoned people"....and as such it's not heinous, but if i couldnt >trade for it as a tape there's no way i'd spend money on it... From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Wed Feb 3 18:01:56 1999 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 18:01:56 EST Subject: Hawkwind "In Your Area" CD availability Message-ID: The following is an e-mail I received from Griffin Music about availability of the New Hawkwind "In Your Area" CD. I haven't found it at any local stores, so I asked them for help. Subj: Re: New Hawkwind Cd Date: 2/3/99 10:32:53 AM Eastern Standard Time From: GrifMus To: Hawkwinder Greetings Hawkwinder! The new Hawkwind CD, "In Your Area" should be in retail stores by now. We sell through the major distributors across the US who in turn get it into the stores. If you would like, you may also mail order thru us directly -- CD price is $$15.98 + 4.00 shipping. Send a check or money order to: TANGO MUSIC LLC P.O. Box 1952 Lombard, IL 60148 Regards, Griffin Music From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Feb 3 19:06:48 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:06:48 -0800 Subject: Hawkwind "In Your Area" CD availability Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 18:01:56 EST, Bob Lennon wrote: >The following is an e-mail I received from Griffin Music about availability >of the New Hawkwind "In Your Area" CD. I haven't found it at any local >stores, so I asked them for help. [...header snipped...] >>The new Hawkwind CD, "In Your Area" should be in retail stores by now. We sell >>through themajor distributors across the US who in turn get it into the stores. It would be nice if they would say WHICH distributors in the US carry it. Caroline? Valley? ... ? If they did, we could actually tell your local store who to order it from, instead of having the clueless alterna-teen clerk give a blank stare. FWIW, I have friends at "major" (not "major label", who, of course, don't carry independents like Griffin) distributors who have been unable to turn up a copy for me :^(. (just slightly pissed 'cause it's taking my local music store, the largest in the Bay Area, over 3 weeks to get me a copy!) -Doug ceres at sirius.com From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Wed Feb 3 20:44:32 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:44:32 -0600 Subject: BOC: Sighting...? Message-ID: "" wrote: > > My future nephew-in-law (or whatever you'd call him) works for a > company called BOC Gases in the Bethlehem, PA. area. I have no idea > what they do. I just found this out over the weekend. Weird, huh? > > -- Nick I used to run a robotic torch for Flexi-Coil, a farm equipment manufacturing company here in Saskatoon, and B"?"C gases used to supply use with the Nitrogen we needed. Tried to get a cap out of the guy, but he never brought one, thought it would be cool to wear to show ;-). Laj. From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Feb 3 23:53:59 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 23:53:59 EST Subject: HW97 Message-ID: okay, well, you're actually NOT brian tawn, but how the heck are ya anyway?>>lb From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Feb 3 23:52:42 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 23:52:42 EST Subject: HW97 Message-ID: "brian" as in brian tawn? cool!>>>>>>>>>>>larry boyd From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Feb 3 23:56:55 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 23:56:55 EST Subject: HW97 Message-ID: yeah...."uncle harry's last freakout", i think, their big one chord jamola special...i've gotta couple bbc versions o' that>>>>lb From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Feb 3 23:58:53 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 23:58:53 EST Subject: OFF: Pink Fairies (was: Re: HW97) Message-ID: yeah....what he said.... From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Feb 4 00:02:15 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 00:02:15 EST Subject: HW: Hawk Fairies Message-ID: oh yeah, no doubt it's great to actually be there when it's actually happening..... From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Feb 3 12:37:48 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 17:37:48 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkfans in Cuba? In-Reply-To: <49631d0.36b85d60@aol.com> Message-ID: In article <49631d0.36b85d60 at aol.com>, DASLUD at AOL.COM writes >amusing to see a phrase like "driven underground" in regards to hawkwind....as >if prior to that they'd been something other than "underground".... That was precisely the irony intended, my dear sir. :) -- Jon From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Feb 4 05:06:57 1999 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:06:57 +0000 Subject: OFF: Pink Fairies (was: Re: HW97) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990203114931.0084a980@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: I've got an aging tape of "Live at the Roundhouse", which is pretty good. Dave. Languages Group Manager. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 4 05:56:35 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:56:35 +0000 Subject: OFF: Pink Fairies (was: Re: HW97) Message-ID: On ons 3 feb 1999 11.49 -0800 "Doug Pearson" wrote: > The album Carl is referring to (which is available in 3 > different configurations in 3 different countries!) consists entirely of > excellent recordings from this era, and the US version of Cleopatra ('The > Golden Years' or something like that) also includes their 2 tracks from the > 'Glastonbury Fayre' comp ("Do It" totally rocks, and the 18-minute version > of "Uncle Harry's Last Freakout" is definitely one of the great guitar > freakouts). Ah! The US version has extra tracks? Well I'd best get that instead of the regular UK version I've seen. I was pretty blown away by the performances of "The Snake" and "Johnny B. Goode" as well. Thousands of volts shot straight to the solar plexus. Not bad :) Cheers, Carl ObCD: Man, _Live at the Star Club 1998_ -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From pxr5 at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Feb 4 06:13:45 1999 From: pxr5 at HOTMAIL.COM (andy davis) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 03:13:45 PST Subject: HW: Emperors New Clothes Message-ID: Hi people, I'm new here, but I've beewn following the BOC-L pages on the web, for the past few months, and only just worked out how to subscribe!!! - (Technophobia!!) I thought that i would take the chance to voice my opinions: I don't have any HF / PF "official" material, but had a couple of pinkwind board tapes and a rather shaky video too! suffice it to say, that they all were re-cycled as blank tapes! >stuff like pinkwind (which i've heard; got the board tape) and >hawkfairies (which i havent heard)....is an emperor's new clothes >kinda deal...you keep waiting for someone to stand up and say "look, >this is sloppy crap from a bunch of stoned people"....and as such >it's not heinous, but if i couldnt trade for it as a tape there's no >way i'd spend money on it... Maybe this isn't the right way of giving my first comment to the list, but I can't help thinking that the direction in which the mighty hawks are moving is the same kind of "emperor's new clothes" deal. I don't mean to offer any personnal insult to any members in the band, but since moving from a tight-knit 3-piece (A VERY big highlight in the Hawks' career) the mothership seems to be drifting through space with it's nova-drive totally packed-up. I have only been exposed to the hawks since 1981, but I reminisce very fondly of the 10-year-lasting Brock/Bainbridge/Llangton core, being enhanced superbly by Mr. Davey, and with Nik adding a touch of fun for a couple of years. Let's not forget Danny T. or Richard either. Even with Huw gone, and Simon House augmenting the live sound, this was their finest hour in a brilliant 15 year cycle. The Alien material, studio and live, was great, but the seeds seem to have been sown for the hawks winter of discontent. The current direction seems too fragmented, just a collection of musical input from the various different members in the band, any one style may be fine by itself, but when loosly combined, the plot is lost. That said, I KNOW that Hawkwind will survive - it always does, and I look forward to it's regeneration. Let Ron get on with the job of "being Bob Calvert", and for Christ's sake Dave, get Alan back on bass, and Harvey back on keyboards (which will free up Mr. Brock for a bit more of his excellent guitar work.) Sorry to be so negative, but I couldn't help feel that I needed to say this. This is only my personal opinion, slag me off all you want! I know that Hawkwind is a band that thrives on change, and to reminisce in the past is fine for some of us, but the band has to develop, but let's see it with it's Novadrive repaired and the mothership back on course!! sincerely, Andy Davies ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 4 07:01:41 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:01:41 +0000 Subject: HW/OFF: New at Aural Innovations Message-ID: On ons 3 feb 1999 09.37 +0000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > ha ha..... can't find the "umlaut" key.... If you're on a Mac: Option-u and then the appropriate vowel (though not all fonts have full character sets with umlauts, etc.). Vital stuff for discussing B?C, Mot?rhead, and ... er, H?wkw?nd! Not to mention the Br?in S?rge?ns :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Thu Feb 4 07:37:00 1999 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:37:00 GMT Subject: HW/OFF: New at Aural Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1999-02-04 12:37 > Vital stuff for discussing BVC, Motvrhead, and ... er, >Hewkwond! Not to mention the Brdin S|rgexns :) >Cheers, >Carl Which when translated through my microsoft enhanced software comes out as BIC, Mot(divide sign)rhead, HOwkw'nd and Broin Srgens! Mark (now thinking that Hawkwind were named after the sound of someone hacking up phlegm). From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 4 08:22:00 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:22:00 +0000 Subject: HW/OFF: New at Aural Message-ID: On tor 4 feb 1999 12.37 +0000 "Mark Edmonds" wrote: >> Vital stuff for discussing BVC, Motvrhead, and ... er, >>Hewkwond! Not to mention the Brdin S|rgexns :) > > Which when translated through my microsoft enhanced software comes out as > BIC, Mot(divide sign)rhead, HOwkw'nd and Broin Srgens! And was different again when it came back to my machine. No, diacritics can't be tranmitted reliably by email yet, but it's getting better ... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Feb 4 10:33:30 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:33:30 EST Subject: HW/OFF: New at Aural Innovations Message-ID: gee carl, i am in fact on a mac (clone) From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Feb 4 10:54:38 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:54:38 EST Subject: HW: Emperors New Clothes Message-ID: it's not like every critical remark is intended as an automatic sledgehammer blow to the head....even in my own band days, an intelligent, even pointed remark was much more interesting/valuable than "oh you guys are SO cool...." personally, i think that the early '90s trio lineup was second only to the lemmy era; i 'm not terribly enamored of the material dominated by calvert, or later langton/bainbridge (sorry folks)....brock has always been less of a "generator" than a "conduit".....he doesnt INITIATE so much as he allows things to take place around him....this is not a slam; such an approach has clearly served him well, since it's 1999 and he's still being discussed>>>>>> biggest difference between '91 and now is that hawkwind has become a "cottage industry" and they are obliged to perpetuate themselves by "moving product" in a way that wasnt exactly the case in 91, much less previously....doug smith has a great deal to do with this, and typically, brock has allowed this to take place around him...again, not a slam>>>>we must note that the phrase "moving product' in regards to hawkwind is on a very different scale than it would be were we referring to, say, celine dion.... From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Feb 4 10:58:29 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:58:29 EST Subject: HW: Hawkfans in Cuba? Message-ID: irony successfully imparted, comrade....below 'underground">>>>>"subterranean">>>>>>>>and below THAT.....?? From pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Feb 4 11:41:54 1999 From: pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM (Juha Nurmenniemi) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:41:54 PST Subject: OFF: Pink Fairies (was: Re: HW97) Message-ID: Hi I have to say that the first two Pink Fairies albums (Never never land & What a bunch of sweeties) are essential to all lovers of freaked out guitar rock.Paul Rudolph is one of the best guitarist around.If you haven?t got the two albums get out and buy ?m at once. >>From owner-boc-l at listserv.spc.edu Wed Feb 3 12:00:16 1999 >Received: from listserv.spc.edu (listserv at listserv.spc.edu [192.107.46.113]) > by listserv.spc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.8/SPC-2.2-NORELAY) with ESMTP id OAA23448; > Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:54:51 -0500 (EST) >Received: from LISTSERV.SPC.EDU by LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release > 1.8b) with spool id 5311 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 > 14:54:50 -0500 >Received: from mailgate.spc.edu (root at mailgate.spc.edu [192.107.46.158]) by > listserv.spc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.8/SPC-2.2-NORELAY) with ESMTP id OAA23441 > for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:54:49 -0500 (EST) >Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (root at proxy3.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by > mailgate.spc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/SPC-3.0-NORELAY) with ESMTP id OAA26175 > for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:54:45 -0500 (EST) >Received: from Doug.polyglot.com ([206.86.66.187]) by proxy3.ba.best.com > (8.9.2/8.9.2/best.out) with SMTP id LAA02889 for > ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:52:17 -0800 (PST) >X-Sender: ceres at pop.sirius.com >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserv.spc.edu id > OAA23442 >Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990203114931.0084a980 at pop.sirius.com> >Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:49:31 -0800 >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >From: Doug Pearson >Subject: OFF: Pink Fairies (was: Re: HW97) >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by listserv.spc.edu id OAA23448 > >On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:07:27 +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson > wrote: >>On ons 3 feb 1999 18.33 +0000 "J Strobridge" >>wrote: >>> IMO - I have to agree that I would only recommend Pink Fairies for >>> the serious kollector rather than for their high quality of music >>> except for the Paradise Island CD which was released a year or so ago. >> >> Disagreement! The _Mandies and Mescaline 'Round Uncle Harry's_ >>(or something like that) live CD (BBC? John Peel?) is brilliant :) > >I must agree with Carl here, but also point out that two different things >are being talked about. The original 3 Pink Fairies albums ('Never Never >Land', 'What A Bunch of Sweeties' & 'Kings of Oblivion') are ESSENTIAL ha= >rd >rock/psych albums with great scorching guitar by Paul Rudolph (pre-Eno, >Calvert, Hawkwind) or (later) Larry Wallis (pre-Mot=F6rhead, who continue= >d >playing his songs live for a couple years after he left, e.g. "City Kids"= >, >"On Parole"). The album Carl is referring to (which is available in 3 >different configurations in 3 different countries!) consists entirely of >excellent recordings from this era, and the US version of Cleopatra ('The >Golden Years' or something like that) also includes their 2 tracks from t= >he >'Glastonbury Fayre' comp ("Do It" totally rocks, and the 18-minute versio= >n >of "Uncle Harry's Last Freakout" is definitely one of the great guitar >freakouts). > >On the other hand, the various later incarnations of the Pink Fairies hav= >e >all been fairly spotty, especially since there are two camps claiming the >name (shades of HW!). The 80s full-band reunion ('Kill 'em and Eat 'em') >had its moments (Mick Farren's "Waiting For The Ice Cream to Melt" is a >great 80s-psych anthem), but the playing is sorta weak and the production >sorta thin & 80s-cheesy IMHO. Pretty much everything since then released >under the PF name is Twink-related (after he fell out with the rest of th= >e >band for the umpteenth time), which (unfortunately) seems to result in a >severe lack of quality control, although I've heard great things about th= >e >lengthy track on 'Pleasure Island' (recorded by Twink & Paul Rudolph) tha= >t >Jill refers to. I'd definitely say that the Pinkwind album (Nik, Twink, >Trev Thoms & a couple of no-names) falls under that category. But the >early 70s stuff is great! Buy it! > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Feb 4 12:09:40 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:09:40 +0000 Subject: OFF: Pink Fairies (was: Re: HW97) In-Reply-To: <161649.3127114595@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Ah! The US version has extra tracks? Well I'd > best get that instead of the regular UK version I've seen. I was > pretty blown away by the performances of "The Snake" and "Johnny > B. Goode" as well. Thousands of volts shot straight to the solar > plexus. Not bad :) Dear Carl, the British CD has the Glastonbury Fayre tracks on. I'm not at all sure the Cleopatra one has 'The Snake', since my CD;'s liner suggests it's not been issued in this cut before. Yours, Jon From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Feb 4 12:57:53 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:57:53 +0000 Subject: HW: Emperors New Clothes In-Reply-To: <49afeae.36b9c2be@aol.com> Message-ID: Larry: I've always felt that what you say about Dave (conduit rather than generator) was true of Nik, especially these last few years, when any number of projects have had him tangentially involved but he still in essence hasn't written a song since 1985. But Dave turns out loads of stuff. Is what you're saying that it's not that stuff that defines the Hawkwind sound? If so, I'd say, not any more, but once... Up until about 'Choose Your Masques', I think. After that his stuff has been, sort of, second-rank, behind the current leader. IMHO. Yours, Jon -- /_______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | ======================================================================| | "`It's a Venusian space bassist,' said Turner the bird being." | | (Hawkwind, sleeve notes to 'Doremi Fasol Latido') | \_______________________________________________________________________/ From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Feb 4 13:32:06 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:32:06 -0800 Subject: OFF: Pink Fairies (was: Re: HW97) Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:09:40 +0000, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: >On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >> Ah! The US version has extra tracks? Well I'd >> best get that instead of the regular UK version I've seen. I was >> pretty blown away by the performances of "The Snake" and "Johnny >> B. Goode" as well. Thousands of volts shot straight to the solar >> plexus. Not bad :) > >Dear Carl, > the British CD has the Glastonbury Fayre tracks on. >I'm not at all sure the Cleopatra one has 'The Snake', since my CD;'s >liner suggests it's not been issued in this cut before. Yours, > Jon Yeah, this is actually a sticky issue ... there are 3 versions of the album (US, UK, Italian) with slight variations in track listing, and you need 2 of the 3 in order to get all the tracks. I have the Cleopatra CD (US) and the double (actually one-and-a-half with pigs etched on side 4) LP (Italian), but I'd have to go back home to check the precise track listings ... for some reason, the Cleopatra CD has two tracks from Twink's 'Think Pink' solo album (also a great psych record with plenty of searing Paul Rudolph guitar leads) on it. And speaking of Rudolph (love his guitar playing - was never impressed by his bass playing with Hawkwind), has anyone heard the new (although I think it's at least partially old recordings) Deviants album ('Have Left the Planet' or something) yet? -Doug ceres at sirius.com From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Feb 4 13:52:30 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 18:52:30 -0000 Subject: OFF: Pink Fairies (was: Re: HW97) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990204103206.0084f500@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: > has > anyone heard the new (although I think it's at least partially old > recordings) Deviants album ('Have Left the Planet' or something) yet? Is it out yet? Mick's homepage (http://members.aol.com/byron4d/index.html) still says this: --- YO, YO, and we plunge into 1999 with a lightning raid on Japan, playing Tokyo On Air West on Feb. 10th and 11th and The Club Quatro in Osaka on Feb. 12th. during which tracks for a live album will be recorded. Mick Farren will have a new novel, the long awaited Jim Morrison's Adventures In The Afterlife and also two nonfiction book -- one an A-Z of paranoid conspiracies and the other a picture book about the CIA. (We are not kidding!) and two new CDs will be out, The Deviants Have Left The Planet being a compilation of previously unreleased stuff, old and new from Capt.Trips in Japan and an collection of various live records from New Millennium Records in the UK. Mick can also be found pontificating about vampires on the DVD disk of the movie Blade. --- You can bet I'll have my copy as soon as feasibly possible! Unfortunately, however, prior commitments prevent me from catching the shows in Japan... - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Thu Feb 4 16:05:15 1999 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:05:15 -0500 Subject: HW: IYA @ www.cdnow.com Message-ID: CDNOW has IYA in stock. They shipped my copy yesterday. Total cost: $16.99 US. Shipping was only a dollar or two. Don't know the drill for over-seas orders.... RJ From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Thu Feb 4 16:19:26 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 22:19:26 +0100 Subject: HW: Hipie (Live version) Message-ID: Hi Do you want to hear a live version of the song HIPPIE (from IYA) ? Then listen to STAR FIRE MOUNTAIN DREAMING from StrangeDaze98. Am I right ? Bernhard From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Thu Feb 4 18:56:11 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:56:11 +0900 Subject: OFF: Pink Fairies (was: Re: HW97) Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: > > > has > > anyone heard the new (although I think it's at least partially old > > recordings) Deviants album ('Have Left the Planet' or something) yet? > > Is it out yet? Mick's homepage (http://members.aol.com/byron4d/index.html) > still says this: > > --- > YO, YO, and we plunge into 1999 with a lightning raid on Japan, playing > Tokyo On Air West on Feb. 10th and 11th and The Club Quatro in Osaka on Feb. > 12th. during which tracks for a live album will be recorded. > Aaaaargh. How did I get talked into going to see Elvis Costello on the 10th... mutter...grumble... Dave From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Thu Feb 4 18:57:15 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:57:15 +0900 Subject: HW: IYA @ www.cdnow.com Message-ID: sprawl wrote: > > CDNOW has IYA in stock. They shipped my copy yesterday. Total cost: $16.99 > US. > Shipping was only a dollar or two. Don't know the drill for over-seas > orders.... > RJ Order through CDnow Europe. Cost was about the same. Dave From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Feb 4 20:55:12 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:55:12 -0800 Subject: HW: Hawkfans in Cuba? Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:14:57 +0000, Jon Browne wrote: > >In article , XXX OBALNET.CO.UK> writes >> Does anyone know of any Hawkwind fans in Cuba? >> >> Kris > >Still, at least you can get 40 Havana Cigars for your Chaos Shield copy >of Warrior on the Edge Of Time. The great thing is that my Chaos Shield copy of 'Warrior on the Edge of Time' IS a veteran of the (no, not psychic!) cold war. It's a German pressing that somehow found its way into the Princeton Record Exchange after having resided in the Radio Free Europe archives from '75 until the Berlin Wall came down. Same with my German 'Urban Guerilla', 'You'd Better Believe It' and 'Kings of Speed' 7"s. I can only imagine Czech hippies, on their way back from a Plastic People of the Universe performance, furtively tuning into RFE to get their dose of capitalist imperialist bourgeois decadent music at the hands of ... Hawkwind! Actually, given the condition of the records, they obviously didn't get played very much on the radio (too bad for Eastern Europeans during the 70s, but good for me now!). Somehow, though, I doubt that too many Hawkwind records are in the collection of Radio Free Marti (is that the name of the anti-Castro station in Florida?). At least not until Nik re-records "Master of the Universe" with the lyrics that someone already quoted ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Feb 4 21:49:31 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 21:49:31 EST Subject: HW: Hawk Fairies Message-ID: learned today that doug smith has been out of the hawkwind picture for some time now; gomen nasai. dont think that otherwise changes what i wrote this morning....it may perhaps underscore the "cottage industry" reference>>>>> From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Feb 4 22:07:48 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 22:07:48 EST Subject: HW: Emperors New Clothes Message-ID: well jon...this "conduit" notion would apply more to brock,specifically in regards to hawkwind, than to turner, yes? though clearly it applies to the various other incarnations of nik>>>>lb From crow at ASCENT.NET Thu Feb 4 22:54:02 1999 From: crow at ASCENT.NET (crow) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 22:54:02 -0500 Subject: BOC: An unlikely BOC reference Message-ID: I was at the CDnow web sight checking out some Rory Gallagher discs. I went to the area that states "if you like Rory Gallagher see what the 'album advisor' recommends. I was very surprised to BOC's Heaven Forbid tuck nestled in with the likes of Stevie Ray and Kenny Wayne. Now, Buck and Rory are two of my favorite guitar men, but other than that I don't find the correlation (there's a bit of a difference between Harvest Moon and Shin Kicker). And now, back to the shadows. crow -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Thu Feb 4 23:28:54 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 23:28:54 -0500 Subject: BOC/HW: Huh? Message-ID: Trawling through the Troser Press website I found the follwing sentence under the Hawkwind entry: the Travellers Aid double LP, cut at various late-'80s free festivals in Great Britain, isn't a load of crap. Despite the billing, not much of it is Hawkwind, though: one and a half okay tracks, plus one great one by Agents of Chaos. Nik Turner brings up the rear with a crowd sing-along of "Silver Machine." In between is very promising punky hard-rock to a ska beat by Culture Shock, >>>>Tubilah Dogs (Hawkwind-cum-Blue ?yster Cult that kind of work)<<<<" !!! You can imagine my suprise at reading that snippet. Do any of you Hawkwinders out there feel this is an accurate statment? If no,t what do they sound like? If it is an accurate view, what did these people record other than the Travellers Aid Trust stuff? On Flame With(or because of) Malpractice, Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Feb 5 00:08:22 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 00:08:22 -0500 Subject: BOC/HW: Tubilah Huh? Message-ID: Jason doth ask... >Trawling through the Troser Press website I found the follwing sentence >under the Hawkwind entry: > > the Travellers Aid double LP, cut at various late-'80s free festivals > in Great Britain, isn't a load of crap. Despite the billing, not much of > it is Hawkwind, though: one and a half okay tracks, plus one great one by > Agents of Chaos. Nik Turner brings up the rear with a crowd sing-along of > "Silver Machine." In between is very promising punky hard-rock to a ska > beat by Culture Shock, >>>>Tubilah Dogs (Hawkwind-cum-Blue ?yster Cult > > that kind of work)<<<<" >!!! You can imagine my suprise at reading that snippet. > >Do any of you Hawkwinders out there feel this is an accurate statment? If >not, what do they sound like? Ahhhhh, of course, any Hawkwind fan should know that Jerry Richards (current lead axeman for Hawkwind) co-founded Tubliah Dog (should be singular form, as in the "palindrome" of Halibut God). Though I never knew if JR appeared on the two tracks on the T.A.T. album (the excellent! "Safe Zone" and the not-so-bad-either "Making Love on the Telephone"). And I'm certain he didn't appear on their lone LP/CD entitled 'In Search of Plaice' (a take-off of ISoS, the fish joke continuing in that plaice is a fish similar to flounder (I think)). I have this CD (released in 1997 I think, at least 3 years after the original vinyl, released only by Vinyl Magic in Italy). Must've been recorded somewhere between 1992-94. I'll check my copy at home for more info. I have never determined who actually appears on that album (or the TAT tracks), but I always have heard that one Steve Mills was supposedly the band's leader (at least after Jerry left). But his name doesn't actually appear on ISoP. A few so-called 'guests' are listed on other instruments (than guitar), and I'm guessing it was a solo Steve Mills project with others helping out (and drum machine from the way it sounds). This album is really hit-and-miss, and not very similar to the TAT tracks. Wyrd Romance I remember as being a really cool phased-psych guitar riff, and there was also a neat Daevid Allen-like dreamy psych-folk tune. But the albums is not too great overall. BTW, I've seen copies of the CD in strange places...like in mall-type stores here in the US, usually filed in some bizarre location. I can't remember what label issued it...some obscure UK label I think. Some of the tracks (along with one track that didn't appear on ISoP) were supposedly used for a 'e-novel' (web-published sci-fi multimedia story) called "The War of the Fallen" (or something like that), which I managed to find on the web, but it didn't seem like the music tracks were ever made available like it said. (Not that my computer is even wired for sound such that I could hear them.) But I think Wyrd Romance was one that was supposed to be there...good choice. You might search for it now...perhaps it finally has been put together. As far as the TAT tracks go, I think "Safe Zone" is the highlight of that album. I wouldn't immediately think B?C after listening to them, but it's not a terrible comparison. I love the guitar riffs and the vocalist... whether it's the same person singing as on ISoP or not, I don't think the vocals sound at all the same. I wish there was a full-length album that featured mid-80's Tubilah Dog. Maybe Jerry's got some tapes?? Did anyone here actually see them with JR??? Also of note: The band Hippy Slags also appears on TAT, a four-piece (all-female?) band that featured Bridgett Wishart (I believe she appears in a photo in the album sleeve/CD insert) as well as Richard Chadwick's significant other. (BTW, is she still requiring regular dialysis treatments?? I haven't heard anything about her condition...I hope that means she's better now.) The Ozrics also have a track on there, but I think it's one of the more dismal OT tracks I can remember. And that was my first exposure to them...it was awhile before I took a chance on Afterswish, which I really liked. The late 80's free-festy scene really produced a lot of great stuff, but I think they oversaturated themselves in the end, as all those bands have either split or turned into techno units. (At least Omnia Opera, Ozrics/Eat Static, Mandragora have all gone that route.) I think Ship of Fools 'Close your eyes...' is probably my favourite of that style, but I don't know anything about those guys. Other than they're now defunct...I'm trying to get my hands on that CD with both albums combined. Anyone know a good source? That's all....Keith H. (FAA) ObCD: I.E.M. - I.E.M. (one of Steve Wilson's finest moments!) From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Feb 4 04:07:29 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 09:07:29 +0000 Subject: BOC: Sighting...? In-Reply-To: <000001be4f8a$f45bf160$583f63c3@default> Message-ID: In article <000001be4f8a$f45bf160$583f63c3 at default>, Andy Gilham writes >As was. They're now just called the BOC Group. The share price has been >fluctuating a bit over the last few months - a speculaitve invesment only, >I'd say. well, I've had enough for a start. I'm switching to Carbon Dioxide as soon as I can find a good surgeon. -- Jon From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Fri Feb 5 04:34:43 1999 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 02:34:43 -0700 Subject: Hawkwind: Fanzine update In-Reply-To: <6156ce9d.36a7c3b2@aol.com> Message-ID: Here's a quick "review" of the Hawk-U.S. #7 CD-R: Tracklist Kid From Cleveland It's Time Canis Minor Le Moons Pressurehed Black Mantra Quarkspace Prince ST 37 Oh My.. Goddamn! F/i Starspot Melting Euphoria Summer Starchild Alien Planetscapes Mr. Sparkle Hawkwind Starfire Mountain Dreaming Drumplay/Thom the World Poet Ode To Strange Daze Architectural Metaphor Sur Le Tour Born To Go Millennium Meltdown Nucleon Green Acid The covers can be seen here: http://www.members.pangeatech.com/novadrive/SD98.htm In creating this CD-R, I had four goals, all of which fought each other to some extent: 1. Include all the bands who played. 2. Have full songs. 3. Respect any special request from each band. 4. Keep it all within the length of one CD-R. Oh, and Bob and I both agreed that "Starfire Mountain Dreaming" was the perfect choice for the Hawkwind song, since, as they said "We wrote this song about this place;" the only problem with that was that it was over eleven minutes long. Despite all these constraints, this "reviewer" concludes that it is a fine collection: great song choices, superb artwork, and excellent sound quality. Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu > hello hawkers: > Update on Hawk-U.S./Time & Space fanzine > Issue #7 is due out within days/a few weeks > I am currently having the fanzine printed as we type. > This issue will include a special Space Rock CD-R that will > feature all 13 bands that played at Strange Daze 98. > All tracks were recorded live at the event. > It comes with a nice color cover. > I'll give out more details in a few days as I get it ready for > mailing out. > please check my website for info in case you miss the next post. > Please do not send out postage for this issue as was usual in the past, > as I still am working out the costs involved in shipping it out. > As mentioned i will update this list and put news of release on > the website > http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html > see ya > bob > From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Feb 5 05:41:32 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:41:32 +0000 Subject: HW97 Message-ID: Sorry Gill, but I have to say you're talking arse here... ;-) All - get hold of a copy of Kings of Oblivion, crank up the volume, and rock 'n' roll all night. (And possibly even party every day.) Preferably with a boat load of beer, an attractive member of the gender of your choice, and a copy of Dumpy's 'Somewhere in England' double live album for light relief. Then drink more beer, and remember Acid Daze II in Leeds (HW, Pink Fairies, Suicide, the Enid et al). Don't forget to untie your partner before you pass out. I think I'm gonna have a good weekend. :-) Cheers, Rich. ** Live kittens can be easily manufactured from water filled balloons ** > > > IMO - I have to agree that I would only recommend Pink Fairies for > the serious kollector rather than for their high quality of music > except for the Paradise Island CD which was released a year or so ago. > The first two or three tracks are just lightweight oddities, but the > final track is a glorious instrumental jamming session of the kind > that Hawkwind did way back in the eldern days with layers of sound > gradually building up from a simple start and it lasts about 20 > minutes. I love it! > > no apologies 8-) > jill From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Fri Feb 5 07:10:50 1999 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 13:10:50 +0100 Subject: BOC/HW: Huh? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990204232854.006999f4@mail1.wizvax.net> Message-ID: > the Travellers Aid double LP, cut at various late-'80s free festivals > in Great Britain, isn't a load of crap. Despite the billing, not much of >it is Hawkwind, > though: one and a half okay tracks, plus one great one by Agents of >Chaos. Nik Turner brings up the rear with a crowd sing-along of "Silver >Machine." In between is very promising punky hard-rock to a ska beat by >Culture Shock, >>>>Tubilah Dogs (Hawkwind-cum-Blue ?yster Cult that kind >of work)<<<<" >!!! You can imagine my suprise at reading that snippet. > >Do any of you Hawkwinders out there feel this is an accurate statment? If >no,t what do they sound like? If it is an accurate view, what did these >people record other than the Travellers Aid Trust stuff? > >On Flame With(or because of) Malpractice, >Jason jason they have a cd which is called "in search of plaice". this was released in 1998. saw this band a couple of times as a support act of hawkwind in the 80's. then they were okay but the cd is sort of hm...... andre From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Fri Feb 5 08:51:22 1999 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 13:51:22 +0000 Subject: HW miscellany Message-ID: Dear boclers, three vaguely HW related things. In the magazine DJ, dated 16-29 Jan 99 there is an article entitled Heroes of Electronic Music, a definitve A-Z of people who made house happen. It includes short entries on such people as the BBC Radiophonic Workshop, Bowie, Eno, Hillage, Jarre, Krautrock, Oldfield and Tangerine Dream. The HW entry includes a couple of quotes from Dave, including a reiteration about the Edge of Darkness project. He also describes an 'electronic box built by a guy who designs armaments for RAF fighter aircraft. It's for Ron and has 9 oscialltors in. They all cross over so you get these wierd, warped patterns of sound that make you feel a bit peculiar, quite a dangerous piece of machinery. It's got a theremin built into it so he can actually play it from about ten feet away'. In last Friday's Guardian there was a piece about the alternative top 100 albums, which is a usual voting list of various music biz types, with all the obvious records forbidden. They wisely ask Lemmy, who wants one more vote than everyone else, and he lists his top 3 as Sacrifice (and if you didn't think your latest production was the best in the world then why bother recording it?), Damnedx3 (by the Damned) and With the Beatles, by (OK, you've probably guessed this one too). All those Big train fans, who thought the best thing was the stare out contest, the cartoonist who originally drew this (as a comic) is called Paul Hatcher. back in 93-95 he produced a comic called Time we left. They have been re-issued and there is a strong HW theme running through issues 2 and 3. A two page spread on Master of the Universe and some Startrek people (First Officer Davy, Cheif Bass Specialist, Ensign Navigator Chadwick, drum division, and Captain D Brock) trying to find another naked dancer to replace Stacia. Issue 2 makes very little sense, but is quite fun. Issue 3 has more story and less HW references, but anything with a chapter headed Project Zarozinia, followed by In the Beginniing cannot be all bad. So why is it that out legion of comic shop owners didn't inform us of such a thing? Cheers Mike w From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Feb 5 10:44:20 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:44:20 EST Subject: HW miscellany Message-ID: a few years back the u s comic book THE POST BROTHERS #25 co-starred hawkwind.... From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Feb 5 10:47:35 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:47:35 EST Subject: HW97 Message-ID: oh yeah oh yeah the original pink fairies lp's KICK TAIL, y'all..... From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Feb 5 10:43:16 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:43:16 -0500 Subject: BOC/HW: Tubilah Huh? Message-ID: I had said... On Tubilah Dog: >As far as the TAT tracks go, I think "Safe Zone" is the highlight of that >album. I wouldn't immediately think B?C after listening to them, but it's >not a terrible comparison. I love the guitar riffs and the vocalist... >whether it's the same person singing as on ISoP or not, I don't think the >vocals sound at all the same. Well, I don't know what I was thinking when I said this...after I wrote this, I went home and pulled it out for the first time in awhile. And I think's it's quite clear that this *is* the same vocalist as on the two TAT tracks....presumably Steve Mills. I really do like his voice, and think that the songs that were written for In Search Of Plaice are generally good ones (the first half better than the second), but just not very inspired performances. Actually, having a real drummer on there would have made a big difference. Keith H. (FAA) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Feb 5 12:28:00 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 17:28:00 +0000 Subject: BOC/HW: Huh? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990204232854.006999f4@mail1.wizvax.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: > In between is very promising punky hard-rock to a ska beat by > Culture Shock, >>>>Tubilah Dogs (Hawkwind-cum-Blue ?yster Cult that kind > of work)<<<<" > !!! You can imagine my suprise at reading that snippet. > > Do any of you Hawkwinders out there feel this is an accurate statment? If > no,t what do they sound like? If it is an accurate view, what did these > people record other than the Travellers Aid Trust stuff? Though I haven't heard them, Jerry Richards, HW's current lead guitar, is ex-Tubilah Dog, and they've worked with HW before when Dave Brock was producing his Agents of Choas album. Wouldn't have thought BOC was an obvious comparison though. Perhaps there's a Moorcock link? Yours, Jon -- /_______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | ======================================================================| | "`It's a Venusian space bassist,' said Turner the bird being." | | (Hawkwind, sleeve notes to 'Doremi Fasol Latido') | \_______________________________________________________________________/ From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Feb 5 12:41:42 1999 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 12:41:42 -0500 Subject: HW miscellany In-Reply-To: from "M S Wright" at Feb 5, 99 01:51:22 pm Message-ID: M S Wright wrote: > [Brock] also describes an 'electronic box > built by a guy who designs armaments for RAF fighter aircraft. It's for > Ron and has 9 oscialltors in. They all cross over so you get these wierd, > warped patterns of sound that make you feel a bit peculiar, quite a > dangerous piece of machinery. It's got a theremin built into it so he can > actually play it from about ten feet away'. Sounds to me like the infamous Delatron Processor. Just in time for Y2K. The mind boggles... -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / We build our computers the way we build our cities -- over time, without a plan, on top of ruins. - Ellen Ullman, "The dumbing-down of programming" From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Feb 5 14:26:27 1999 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 14:26:27 -0500 Subject: BOC: Coming to Boston on 3/14 Message-ID: Yes, after a long hiatus in the greater Boston area, BOC will be back on March 14th, at the Middle East in Cambridge (this comes from Eric Bloom on the AOL boards). I don't know if they are playing the same room as tBS did in '94 (I think the Middle East has 2 rooms) - the one where tBS played was rather small (probably wouldn't hold more than about 100 legally...). John From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Fri Feb 5 14:35:58 1999 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 19:35:58 -0000 Subject: BOC/HW: Tubilah Huh? Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Keith Henderson To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 05 February 1999 05:23 Subject: Re: BOC/HW: Tubilah Huh? Also of note: The band Hippy Slags also appears on TAT, a four-piece (all-female?) band that featured Bridgett Wishart (I believe she appears in a photo in the album sleeve/CD insert) as well as Richard Chadwick's significant other. (BTW, is she still requiring regular dialysis treatments?? I haven't heard anything about her condition...I hope that means she's better now.) Is worth pointing out here that the album also has a track by 2000DS for whom a certain Mr Tree used to play? The track is Calling All Crows and if I remember rightly seems to consist of someone asking for "more bass through the monitor please?" repeatedly before moving on to "calling all crows" repeatedly. I am getting deja vu or are we back on the repetition thing here again? Nick From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Feb 5 16:00:56 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 13:00:56 -0800 Subject: HW/OFF: New at Aural Message-ID: STOP IT! You're getting too close to my "real" job (software localization). I have to deal with stuff like this on a daily basis - having to ensure that the diacritical marks show up correctly in a piece of Mac software when the translator typed up the translation in Windows. I feel strangely compelled to run ASCII code conversion software on these messages! -D??g ??r?s?s?r??s.c?m (hmmm ... what'll that look like ...?) On Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:22:00 +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >On tor 4 feb 1999 12.37 +0000 "Mark Edmonds" >wrote: >>> Vital stuff for discussing BVC, Motvrhead, and ... er, >>>Hewkwond! Not to mention the Brdin S|rgexns :) >> >> Which when translated through my microsoft enhanced software comes out as >> BIC, Mot(divide sign)rhead, HOwkw'nd and Broin Srgens! > > And was different again when it came back to my machine. >No, diacritics can't be tranmitted reliably by email yet, but >it's getting better ... From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Feb 5 15:49:20 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 12:49:20 -0800 Subject: OFF: Pink Fairies (was: Re: HW97) Message-ID: Here's the deal on two of the 3 PF's archival thingies: 'Uncle Harry' (2xLP, Get Back, Italy) 1) Lucille 2) The Snake 3) Johnny B. Goode 4) Uncle Henry's Last Freakout 5) Do It! 6) Uncle Harry's Last Freakout tracks 1&2 - BBC '70 (w/Twink) tracks 3&4 - BBC '71 (w/Trevor Burton) tracks 5&6 - Glastonbury Fayre (w/Twink) 'The Golden Years' (CD, Cleopatra, US) 1) 10000 Words In A Cardboard Box 2) The Sparrow Is The Sign 3) Do It 4) Lucille 5) The Snake 6) 3/5 of a Mile in 10 Seconds (Jefferson Airplane cover) 7) Tomorrow Never Knows (Beatles cover) 8) Do It 9) Uncle Harry's Last Freakout 10) Johnny B. Goode tracks 1&2 - from Twink's 'Think Pink' LP track 3 - studio demo tracks 4&5 - BBC '70 (as above) tracks 6&7 - unknown source (same as track 3?) tracks 8&9 - Glastonbury Fayre (as above) track 10 - BBC '71 (as above) ... so the Italian version is missing the 'Think Pink' tracks, the "Do It" demo, and the two 60s covers, while the US version is missing the BBC '71 version of "Uncle Harry"/"Uncle Henry". Either way, a must for fans of the first three Pink Fairies albums (especially the Glastonbury tracks!). What about the UK version ('Mandies & Mescaline')? -Doug ceres at sirius.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Feb 5 15:54:10 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 12:54:10 -0800 Subject: BOC/HW: Tubilah Huh? Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Feb 1999 19:35:58 -0000, Nick Lee wrote: >-----Original Message----- >From: Keith Henderson >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Date: 05 February 1999 05:23 >Subject: Re: BOC/HW: Tubilah Huh? > >Also of note: The band Hippy Slags also appears on TAT, a four-piece >(all-female?) band that featured Bridgett Wishart (I believe she appears in >a photo in the album sleeve/CD insert) as well as Richard Chadwick's >significant other. (BTW, is she still requiring regular dialysis >treatments?? I haven't heard anything about her condition...I hope that >means she's better now.) > >--------------------- > >Is worth pointing out here that the album also has a track by 2000DS for >whom a certain Mr Tree used to play? The track is Calling All Crows and if >I remember rightly seems to consist of someone asking for "more bass through >the monitor please?" repeatedly before moving on to "calling all crows" >repeatedly. I am getting deja vu or are we back on the repetition thing >here again? So in other words, every new member of Hawkwind since 1985 (Richard, Bridget, Ron, Jerry, Crum [does he count?] - Simon House doesn't count as "new") played in a band on the TAT album? What about Capt. Rizz? Was he in any of the reggae bands on TAT (Rhythmites were one, I think)? -Doug ceres at sirius.com From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Fri Feb 5 17:26:46 1999 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 23:26:46 +0100 Subject: OFF: Pink Fairies (was: Re: HW97) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990205124920.0084e940@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: >'Uncle Harry' (2xLP, Get Back, Italy) >1) Lucille >2) The Snake >3) Johnny B. Goode >4) Uncle Henry's Last Freakout >5) Do It! >6) Uncle Harry's Last Freakout > > >tracks 1&2 - BBC '70 (w/Twink) >tracks 3&4 - BBC '71 (w/Trevor Burton) >tracks 5&6 - Glastonbury Fayre (w/Twink) > >'The Golden Years' (CD, Cleopatra, US) >1) 10000 Words In A Cardboard Box >2) The Sparrow Is The Sign >3) Do It >4) Lucille >5) The Snake >6) 3/5 of a Mile in 10 Seconds (Jefferson Airplane cover) >7) Tomorrow Never Knows (Beatles cover) >8) Do It >9) Uncle Harry's Last Freakout >10) Johnny B. Goode > >tracks 1&2 - from Twink's 'Think Pink' LP >track 3 - studio demo >tracks 4&5 - BBC '70 (as above) >tracks 6&7 - unknown source (same as track 3?) >tracks 8&9 - Glastonbury Fayre (as above) >track 10 - BBC '71 (as above) > >... so the Italian version is missing the 'Think Pink' tracks, the "Do It" >demo, and the two 60s covers, while the US version is missing the BBC '71 >version of "Uncle Harry"/"Uncle Henry". > >Either way, a must for fans of the first three Pink Fairies albums >(especially the Glastonbury tracks!). What about the UK version ('Mandies >& Mescaline')? > > -Doug mandies & mescaline has 6 tracks: 1 lucille 2 the snake 3 johnny b. goode 4 uncle henry's last freakout 5 do it! 6 uncle harry's last freakout 1 & 2 are top gear 28/11/70 3 & 4 are in concert 4/11/71 5 & 6 from glastonbury 24/6/71 i have both the golden years and mandies. mandies has a better sound. seems to be from original tapes and golden years is not. i like the booklet of mandies more too. some very interesting stories in it. and some small b & w photos though the cover is in color. but it's great music. i think the first 3 pink fairies albums stood the test of time. what a bunch of sweeties .................. andre From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Fri Feb 5 19:29:49 1999 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 11:29:49 +1100 Subject: HW: The HW Connection Message-ID: Hi All, Sometime last year a CD surfaced called "The Hawkwind Connection", published by Lone Wolf, with half Moorcock & half Calvert rare material - I'm now kicking myself I didn't buy at the time. Anyone know (i) any details about who it was putting it out, and (ii) it it is still available to purchase? Thanks, - Max Wilcox From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Fri Feb 5 22:57:52 1999 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 22:57:52 EST Subject: Hawkwind: New Black Widow release info Message-ID: Hello, the following is a copy of part of an email i received from Black Widow. I believe it is of interest to some. Bob http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html to get info on Issue #7 of hawk-us plus the live "Strange Daze 98" cd go here: http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkus7.html We want to inform you that we're doing a new ALAn "The ELF"Davey album about sci-fi and he's doing 3 new tracks for us now. Another big thing you have to know is A TRIBUTE TO SCI-FI MOVIES incl.Hawkwind,A.DAVEY,F/i,ST37,ARCMET,SPACEHEAD,KREL,MOOCH and other bands from the planet doing a track about his favourite movie. It's a 2cds-3lps box+book with many photos from movies and infos about all the bands-we just released the same about Horror and it'e great. We hope to hear from you soon Massimo From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Feb 6 06:04:47 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 11:04:47 +0000 Subject: HW/OFF: New at Aural Message-ID: On fre 5 feb 1999 13.00 -0800 "Doug Pearson" wrote: > -D??g > ??r?s?s?r??s.c?m > > (hmmm ... what'll that look like ...?) Showed up fine here :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Feb 6 06:05:12 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 06:05:12 EST Subject: HW: The HW Connection Message-ID: listen, i'd very much like feedback from y'all on the hw 1999 party release>>>>larry From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Feb 6 06:35:54 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 11:35:54 +0000 Subject: HW: Emperors New Clothes Message-ID: On tor 4 feb 1999 10.54 +0000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > personally, i think that the early '90s trio lineup was second only to the > lemmy era; 100%! No, 110%! If that lineup had brought in Crum to replace Harvey--so that they had a dedicated synths person, leaving Brock and Davey free to rule on guitar and bass, they would have been unstoppable! Ah well. > i 'm not terribly enamored of the material dominated by calvert, or > later langton/bainbridge (sorry folks).... I like some of the Calvert stuff and some of the Huw stuff, but nearly so well as the early 70s/90s stuff. > brock has always been less of a > "generator" than a "conduit".....he doesnt INITIATE so much as he allows > things to take place around him....this is not a slam; such an approach has > clearly served him well, since it's 1999 and he's still being discussed>>>>>> I think that's true now, but wasn't in the early years. Up through Warrior, Brock consistently turned out quality material on his own or in collaboration with Calvert, Nik, whoever. He's usually taken a much reduced role since then, especially since the middle of this decade--it seems every gig people go to they say, "Good gig, but we couldn't see or hear Dave!" > biggest difference between '91 and now is that hawkwind has become a "cottage > industry" and they are obliged to perpetuate themselves by "moving product" > in a way that wasnt exactly the case in 91, much less previously.... There is much sitting about. I appreciate the difficulties in marketing the unmarketable :) but HW seems short on direction and drive. Well, they may yet surprise us--they have before! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Feb 6 06:41:30 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 11:41:30 +0000 Subject: BOC/HW: Huh? Message-ID: On tor 4 feb 1999 23.28 -0500 "Bolts of Ungodly Vision" wrote: > In between is very promising punky hard-rock to a ska beat by > Culture Shock, >>>>Tubilah Dogs (Hawkwind-cum-Blue ?yster Cult that kind > of work)<<<<" > > !!! You can imagine my suprise at reading that snippet. > Do any of you Hawkwinders out there feel this is an accurate statment? No :) I never understood that comparison. I liked the tracks though. My favorite stuff on the album was the Culture Shock stuff though--weird since I'm not really a reggae or punk fan. But they rocked! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Feb 6 06:59:26 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 06:59:26 EST Subject: HW: Emperors New Clothes Message-ID: jon... feel slightly awkward in that i dont wanna alienate everyone at once so soon after getting here... >>>>flipped over "master of the universe" WHEN IT WAS NEW and i was 14....summer '72>>>>hw was the band i forced on all my friends....>>>>>personally taped the 4/5/74 philadelphia show residing in the tape collection of many here....>>>>completely turned off/bummed out by 'astounding sounds" in '76 and things were never the same after that....i've gone on to own everything up to "alien" but the last time i paid for a hawkwind lp was when "pxr5" was new.... maybe in terms of how you interpret hawkwind and brock, "choose yr masks" is a good cutoff point, but the re-emergence of calvert , post-lemmy, and the 80's being dominated by the sounds of langton/bainbridge interested me little, then and now....lemmy and simon king were the rockinest rhythm section of their moment; i'm a drummer because of simon king>>>i know hawkwind's u.s. liasons and traveled w/the band for a couple days on the '91 u.s. tour....thought the trio was really good....but this has been kinda superceded by the "calvert jr. and generic sci-fi" era which, once more, reduces my interest a great deal....would like to hear from anyone whose hw fandom stretches as far back as mine>>>>>>>>>peace etc. From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Sat Feb 6 07:26:52 1999 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 23:26:52 +1100 Subject: HW: Announcing J.A.P.! Message-ID: Hello all, I'm sure you are all aware of the photo's of Hawkwind and Stacia in the Hawkwind Gallery by J?rgen Angel. Now there are many more of these photographs taken in Denmark in 1972/73 available both in your webbrowser and also as photographic prints for you to own for yourself! Please visit the new J?rgen Angel Photography Gallery at http://sonique.net/jap Soniqu? Webmasters please note: If you have previously linked directly to any of the individual existing pages containing J?rgen's photo's in the Hawkwind Gallery (ie: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/Gallery/Stacia, /Stacia2 or /Jorgen) you will find that they have been replaced with links to the new site -- PO Box 884 Paul Ward Mt Waverley http://sonique.net VIC 3149 (time permitting) Mob:0418 524744 sonique at sonique.net From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Sat Feb 6 07:46:03 1999 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 13:46:03 +0100 Subject: HW: The HW Connection In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >listen, i'd very much like feedback from y'all on the hw 1999 party >release>>>>larry > for me it's the ultimate hawkwind seventies album !!! listen to lemmy's bass and voice, grrrrrr .......... for people who were at this gig this must have been heaven. larry, is this enough, huh andre From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Feb 6 08:57:55 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 13:57:55 +0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party Message-ID: On l?r 6 feb 1999 06.05 +0000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > listen, i'd very much like feedback from y'all on the hw 1999 party > release Excellent!! Get it, if at all possible. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Sat Feb 6 09:23:55 1999 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 14:23:55 GMT Subject: BOC: An unlikely BOC reference In-Reply-To: <000901be50bb$2d8bddc0$5f79f0d0@ValuedAcerCustomer> Message-ID: crow wrote: >I was at the CDnow web sight checking out some Rory Gallagher >discs. I went to the area that states "if you like Rory Gallagher see >what the 'album advisor' recommends. > >I was very surprised to BOC's Heaven Forbid tuck nestled in with >the likes of Stevie Ray and Kenny Wayne. That CDnow's 'album advisor' is an utter crap. Go to the advice 'if you like the First/T&M/Secret Treaties suite, then we recommend you these titles', and it will spit out the following: Pink Floyd - The Dark Side Of The Moon Funkadelic - America Eats Its Young Afghan Whigs - Congregation Bone - Thugs-n-Harmony Mott The Hoople - Ballad Off Mott:Retrospectiv Jack Off Jill - Covetous Creature DJ Shadow - Entroducing Grandpaboy - Grandpaboy Jack Off Jill - Sexless Demons And Scars Hanson - Middle Of Nowhere The Agents Of Fortune 'advisor' yields the following results: Everything But The Girl - Acoustic Spooky Tooth - Mirror Synergy - Electric Realizations For Ro Carpenters - Singles 1969-1973 Led Zeppelin - Houses Of The Holy Chicago - Greatest Hits 1982-1989 Grateful Dead - Mars Hotel Alejandro Sanz - 3 Sarah McLachlan - Surfacing Stevie Wonder - Songs In The Key Of Life Do you want more? Or you better go to www.cdnow.com if you want to laugh, this isn't some jokes mailing list. :-) -- Goran From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Feb 6 08:52:58 1999 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 13:52:58 +0000 Subject: BOC: An unlikely BOC reference In-Reply-To: <000901be50bb$2d8bddc0$5f79f0d0@ValuedAcerCustomer> Message-ID: Well I must fess up. I ordered three BOC albums when I ordered the remastered Rory G albums from CDNow about 2 months back. Z At 22:54 04/02/1999 -0500, you wrote: > I was at the CDnow web sight checking out some Rory Gallagher "if >you like Rory Gallagher see what the 'album advisor' recommends. I was >very surprised to BOC's Heaven Forbid tuck nestled in with the likes of >Stevie Ray and Kenny Wayne. Now, Buck and Rory are two of my favorite >guitar men, but other than that I don't find the correlation (there's a >bit of a difference between Harvest Moon and Shin Kicker). And now, back >to the shadows. crow Zeitgeist e-zine PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Feb 6 09:40:30 1999 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 14:40:30 +0000 Subject: HW 97 Message-ID: Well, it's only just arrived, and I've only played it once, but please cut down on the gripes! It seems like a thoroughly excellent live CD which accurately reflects the 97 tour. If this is the quality of product we're going to receive through the passport scheme, then long may it prosper. After all, how many Pink Fairies fans would kill to be hearing music this good 30 years down the line. We should be grateful that HW are still capable of hitting some heights, even if everyone has their own idea of what they should be doing. Personally I can't be arsed with a lot of the synth noodles and plastic reggae they chuck in now and then, but I also recall hurling Choose Your Masques against a wall after hearing it the first time howling obscenities about "selling out" and "f***ing keyboards" and "Tangerine Dream". A similar reaction had greeted "Sonic Attack". I derided "Electric Tepee", and still won't give most of the early "classic" albums house room. Much as I love Motorhead, I can't listen to most of the Lemmy era albums. HW 97 is a worthy addition to any HW collection. Let us bow our heads in silent prayer. Reverend Stuart A Hamilton Universal Life Church Zeitgeist e-zine PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Sat Feb 6 10:23:07 1999 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 10:23:07 -0500 Subject: HW: 1999 Party Message-ID: The sound is slightly muddy, but that does not bar this disc from the MUST-HAVE list. Like Carl, I say -get it-! RJ -----Original Message----- From: Carl Edlund Anderson To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Saturday, February 06, 1999 9:14 AM Subject: HW: 1999 Party On lvr 6 feb 1999 06.05 +0000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > listen, i'd very much like feedback from y'all on the hw 1999 party > release Excellent!! Get it, if at all possible. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Sat Feb 6 10:59:27 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 10:59:27 -0500 Subject: BOC: BOC/MC 5 connections? Message-ID: Hey there, here's some idle speculation and a hatful of poop for the mill: Listening to the first 3 CDs again. (I have T&M on LP but no player here :( ) I was wondering if Sandy P. and Murray K. were influence heavily productionwise by Landau's work on MC5's _Back in the USA_. Why might i think this? 1. ULTRA thin production sound on the first 2 especially. The bass is hardly prominent unless you tweak yer graphic equalizer at home. THe same situation is found with the 2nd MC 5 LP. The bass is almost nonexistent. Furthermore the treble end has the wonderful edginess particularly prevalent on Tyranny (Buck's guitar sound, the crispness of Albert's cymbal barrages) that _BItUSA_ has (citing "Looking at you" "American Ruse" "Human Being Lawnmower" as good parallels). 2. Come _High Time_, the 5 had a more produced, slicker sound, as in the inclusion of the horn sections and good harmonica duels and the like on "Sister Anne" "Skunk (SOnically Speaking)" THe track "Miss X" always seemed to hint at early Elvis Costello and the Attractions. Essentially, the slicker more complete sound of this is reminiscent of what the Oyster Boys put down in the _Secret Treaties_, even down to the world leader story penned by Wm. Fred in MC5 and the well known "Rossignol" synopsis. Hmmmm. On a tangent, I let a friend big into punk borrow T&M and he could hear it being punkish, not metallish. And he's never heard MC 5 so a case an be made for waht I said above given the primordial placement of both groups in the genres theyre usually pidgeonholed in. Watching the David Roter Video 3rd time in 2 days (i just got it), Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Feb 6 10:59:50 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 15:59:50 +0000 Subject: BOC: BOC/MC 5 connections? Message-ID: On l?r 6 feb 1999 10.59 -0500 "Bolts of Ungodly Vision" wrote: > I was wondering if Sandy P. and Murray K. were influence heavily > productionwise by Landau's work on MC5's _Back in the USA_. Why might i > think this? My guess is that Al B. would basically confirm this. Hasn't he discussed it on-list before? -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Sat Feb 6 11:19:58 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 11:19:58 -0500 Subject: BOC: BOC/MC 5 connections? In-Reply-To: <1126760.3127305590@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: Said Carl: > My guess is that Al B. would basically confirm this. Hasn't he >discussed it on-list before? I rmember him saying that T&M was aimed at being the scariest LP they could concoct...and disappointment with the way Subhuman came out on ST.... Not sure about the MC5 connection, besides him saying Buck wasnt that intersted in Kick out the Jams till "Rambling Rose"s solo section was inserted into it. Only the shadow knows, J ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Feb 6 11:10:06 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 16:10:06 +0000 Subject: HW: Announcing J.A.P.! Message-ID: On l?r 6 feb 1999 23.26 +1100 Soniqu? wrote: > Please visit the new J?rgen Angel Photography Gallery at > http://sonique.net/jap Hmmm, when I clicked on the Hawkwind section I got a zillion Java errors, but no pictures--and the browser crashed. I don't dare click on the Stacia section! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Stephen.Barstow at OCEANOR.NO Sat Feb 6 12:07:30 1999 From: Stephen.Barstow at OCEANOR.NO (Stephen Barstow) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 18:07:30 +0100 Subject: Man at the Fairfield Halls, Croydon Message-ID: I've heard that Man are playing at the Fairfield Halls, Croydon on 22nd February as special guests of Colosseum ( it's a reunion gig). Does anyone have any more details - anyone else playing apart from Man and Colosseum? Like to know as I'll be over in the UK at about that time Cheers Stephe ------------------------------ Stephen Barstow Bergstua Malvikveien 418 N7563 Malvik Norway From corwyn at GLOBAL2000.NET Sat Feb 6 12:57:34 1999 From: corwyn at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 12:57:34 -0500 Subject: HW: Announcing J.A.P.! Message-ID: I had no problems pulling up either the Stacia pages or the Hawkwind. Of course being a heathen I saw little attraction to pics of a rubinesque naked woman all painted up, but then again what do i know? I know.... Blasphemy please dont flame me. Mike Soniqu? wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm sure you are all aware of the photo's of Hawkwind and Stacia in the > Hawkwind Gallery by J?rgen Angel. Now there are many more of these > photographs taken in Denmark in 1972/73 available both in your webbrowser > and also as photographic prints for you to own for yourself! > > Please visit the new J?rgen Angel Photography Gallery at > http://sonique.net/jap > > Soniqu? > > Webmasters please note: If you have previously linked directly to any of > the individual existing pages containing J?rgen's photo's in the Hawkwind > Gallery (ie: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/Gallery/Stacia, > /Stacia2 or /Jorgen) you will find that they have been replaced with links > to the new site > > -- > PO Box 884 Paul Ward > Mt Waverley http://sonique.net > VIC 3149 (time permitting) > Mob:0418 524744 sonique at sonique.net From flossbac at NLCI.COM Sat Feb 6 13:07:34 1999 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (John Majka) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 13:07:34 -0500 Subject: HW: elf and hawk.... In-Reply-To: <000101be50ea$c31bc920$8855dacf@primenet.com> Message-ID: Does anyone know of someplace where I can order the "Elf and Hawk" CD or LP? I am located in the USA, so a USA address would be helpful although I could certainly try elsewhere.... John Majka flossbac at nlci.com http://nlci.com/users/flossbac/hawkwind.html From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sat Feb 6 13:04:33 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 18:04:33 +0000 Subject: Man at the Fairfield Halls, Croydon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 18:07 06/02/99 +0100, you wrote: >I've heard that Man are playing at the Fairfield Halls, Croydon on 22nd >February >as special guests of Colosseum ( it's a reunion gig). Does anyone have >any more >details - anyone else playing apart from Man and Colosseum? Like to >know as >I'll be over in the UK at about that time > >Cheers > >Stephe I can't confirm the date (the trouble with living in two places at once is that useful information is always at "the other place") but I've definitely seen it advertised (MOJO?). Try calling the Fairfield Halls? Sadly, if it is the 22nd I'll probably have to be at work in Bradford - the Warburton curse is obviously still in place! ChrisW Free your mind & watch your ass! From flossbac at NLCI.COM Sat Feb 6 16:50:41 1999 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (John Majka) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 16:50:41 -0500 Subject: HW: Calvert find... In-Reply-To: <000101be50ea$c31bc920$8855dacf@primenet.com> Message-ID: Hey I just went down to my local record store and in a bargain bin of unsaleable vinyl I pulled out a mint-condition copy of Robert Calvert's "Live at the Queen Elizabeth Hall" on vinyl with a gatefold sleeve and poster, for a mere $6.00. Wow! I just thought I'd share my joy! John Majka flossbac at nlci.com http://nlci.com/users/flossbac/hawkwind.html From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sat Feb 6 17:38:09 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 17:38:09 -0500 Subject: HW 97 Message-ID: Stuart offerred... >We should be grateful that HW are still >capable of hitting some heights, even if everyone has their own idea of >what they should be doing. Yeah, really, especially since three years ago, all the talk here was about the Spaceship Hawkwind making their final landing, since everyone thought Davey was quitting (well, he did leave about a year later) and Brock was packing it in and never touring again. They seem far from that now thankfully. >Personally I can't be arsed with a lot of the >synth noodles and plastic reggae they chuck in now and then, but I also >recall hurling Choose Your Masques against a wall after hearing it the >first time howling obscenities about "selling out" and "f***ing keyboards" >and "Tangerine Dream". A similar reaction had greeted "Sonic Attack". I >derided "Electric Tepee", and still won't give most of the early "classic" >albums house room. Much as I love Motorhead, I can't listen to most of the >Lemmy era albums. Well, just what Hawkwind *do* you like?!?!? :) You've pretty much blown off over half of their career! I guess you're a big fan of late 70's Calvert era (esp. since Zeitgeist = Spirit of the Age), and perhaps Chronicles era (which I almost never listen to anymore...Sleep of 1000 Tears was the only good song from that album, and I'm including Moonglum - which everyone seems to like except me). And "can't listen to most of the Lemmy era albums"... Wow! I think you're going to be alone on that one. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but I'm not sure where you're coming from. I mean...I really like Electric Tepee, and Choose Your Masques, and Warrior is my favourite album of all time. It was the period just after Choose Your Masques that was their low point. Keith H. (FAA) P.S. Am I the only one here who doesn't know who Larry B. is?? I've been racking my brain to no avail...please introduce yourself, Larry. From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Feb 6 19:04:44 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 19:04:44 EST Subject: HW: Announcing J.A.P.! Message-ID: WAY TO GO, CARL>>>>>>> no sooner had i copied down that site address w/intent to use it when the next mail i read is from you....TANX larry From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Feb 6 19:11:24 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 19:11:24 EST Subject: BOC: BOC/MC 5 connections? Message-ID: wow....i dunno where you guys are getting this stuff....as if the production on "back in the usa" would be something worthy of emulation? plz xplain how you younger folks are interpreting that mc5 lp>>>>>considered a HUGE disappointment at the time.... >>>>larry From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Feb 6 19:32:50 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 19:32:50 EST Subject: BOC: BOC/MC 5 connections? Message-ID: gomen nasai.... okay, well , that's what i get for reading my mail from the bottom up instead of from the top down....alrighty then: landau wasnt ANY kinda producer; he was a ROCK WRITER/CRITIC....and it shows. i'm not overly familiar w/ the history of early krugman/pearlman but didn't they also produce the soft white underbelly unreleased stuff?>>>>i'd think it most unlike ly that landau's "work" on "back in the usa" was any kinda reference for them. as a kid, when the first couple BOC lp's cameout, i reeeeely wanted to like 'em but i just didnt like the way the records sounded...(on the other hand, much later i would hear the "in yr. mouth etc." boot, which was a much better representation of them at that time...) if you feel you must have a reference point for that super-trebly production, consider the VELVET UNDERGROUND'S "WHITE LIGHT/WHITE HEAT" LP>>>>>> or, most likely, they just happened to produce it that way.... ja ne ! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>larry From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Sat Feb 6 20:09:05 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 20:09:05 -0500 Subject: BOC: BOC/MC 5 connections? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 07:32 PM 2/6/99 EST, you wrote: >gomen nasai.... >okay, well , that's what i get for reading my mail from the bottom up instead >of from the top down....alrighty then: >landau wasnt ANY kinda producer; he was a ROCK WRITER/CRITIC....and it shows. BITUSA notes by Dave Marsh say it was his first try at producing. >i'm not overly familiar w/ the history of early krugman/pearlman but didn't >they also produce the soft white underbelly unreleased stuff? Hmmm good question. I think, if i remember the interview that Deborah "super vocalist" Frost did with Albert for Modern Drummer magazine he said something about the producer. For SWU/SFG sessions, he did not name the producer explicitly, but gave Albert a tape of drummers in the exotic realms of the Pacific who cried "Hiawachaiuh!" Which for a while was my Email name tag in 96 or so. Id have thought if it was SP Albert night have named him as such. For what its worth, SFG material is probably some of the best stuff the (nascent) BOC performed. duster's dust, Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Feb 6 19:56:32 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 19:56:32 EST Subject: HW: 1999 Party Message-ID: no no, i've got it , and i have a variety of comments on it, i just wanted to hear what some other folks had to say first>>>>>>don't get me wrong, i'm very happy to own it>> HOWEVER... it's got too much CANNED APPLAUSE for one thing, (remember "KISS ALIVE"?) and while i'm working on proving it, i dont think it's all from that chicago date either>>>>and i sure don't get why this EMI release sounds so much inferior to "space ritual" recorded 15 months before....>>>> you realize the entire edmonton sundown 1/26/74 was very likely recorded...this show included the original performances which would become the released versions of "paradox", "you'd better believe it" and "it's so easy"....bob calvert made one of his few 1974 appearances at this show>>>>but>>>>(wait for it)....simon house was NOT present at this show; his parts were overdubbed in the studio...now that you mention it, the "1999 party" tour was his first as an official hw member>>> i believe the cd set is the first "new" lemmy-era hw to be released since he got the boot in '75....the darkest hawkwind day of all.... ja ne ! >>>>larry. From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Feb 6 19:58:24 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 19:58:24 EST Subject: HW: The HW Connection Message-ID: thank you andre...i wasnt there that night but i was in philly for thatshow 15 days later>>>larry/DASLUD From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Feb 6 20:06:09 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 01:06:09 +0000 Subject: OFF: Pink Fairies (was: Re: HW97) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990205124920.0084e940@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: 'Mandies and Mecsaline' tracks the same as the Italian one. Sounds like the Cleopatra one might be the choice for you, Carl. Yours, Jon On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Doug Pearson wrote: > Here's the deal on two of the 3 PF's archival thingies: > > 'Uncle Harry' (2xLP, Get Back, Italy) > 1) Lucille > 2) The Snake > 3) Johnny B. Goode > 4) Uncle Henry's Last Freakout > 5) Do It! > 6) Uncle Harry's Last Freakout > > > tracks 1&2 - BBC '70 (w/Twink) > tracks 3&4 - BBC '71 (w/Trevor Burton) > tracks 5&6 - Glastonbury Fayre (w/Twink) > > 'The Golden Years' (CD, Cleopatra, US) > 1) 10000 Words In A Cardboard Box > 2) The Sparrow Is The Sign > 3) Do It > 4) Lucille > 5) The Snake > 6) 3/5 of a Mile in 10 Seconds (Jefferson Airplane cover) > 7) Tomorrow Never Knows (Beatles cover) > 8) Do It > 9) Uncle Harry's Last Freakout > 10) Johnny B. Goode > > tracks 1&2 - from Twink's 'Think Pink' LP > track 3 - studio demo > tracks 4&5 - BBC '70 (as above) > tracks 6&7 - unknown source (same as track 3?) > tracks 8&9 - Glastonbury Fayre (as above) > track 10 - BBC '71 (as above) > > ... so the Italian version is missing the 'Think Pink' tracks, the "Do It" > demo, and the two 60s covers, while the US version is missing the BBC '71 > version of "Uncle Harry"/"Uncle Henry". > > Either way, a must for fans of the first three Pink Fairies albums > (especially the Glastonbury tracks!). What about the UK version ('Mandies > & Mescaline')? > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com > -- /_______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | ======================================================================| | "`It's a Venusian space bassist,' said Turner the bird being." | | (Hawkwind, sleeve notes to 'Doremi Fasol Latido') | \_______________________________________________________________________/ From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Feb 6 20:56:35 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 20:56:35 EST Subject: HW 97 Message-ID: i guess larry b would be me....what kinda intro would you like? From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Sat Feb 6 21:56:30 1999 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 03:56:30 +0100 Subject: HW: The HW Connection In-Reply-To: <13397a9a.36bce530@aol.com> Message-ID: At 19:58 6-2-99 EST, you wrote: >thank you andre...i wasnt there that night but i was in philly for thatshow 15 >days later>>>larry/DASLUD well larry tell us more about it then... and i mean about lightshow or any other details. thanks andre From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Sat Feb 6 22:27:36 1999 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 22:27:36 EST Subject: BOC: BOC/MC 5 connections? Message-ID: Larry writes: > Landau wasnt ANY kinda producer; he was a ROCK WRITER/CRITIC Just like PEARLMAN! From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Feb 6 23:48:27 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 23:48:27 EST Subject: BOC: BOC/MC 5 connections? Message-ID: tanx, jason>>>yeah i've got about half an hour of swu....if anything i liked the way it sounded better than the first couple boc.... >>>>>>>>lb From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Feb 7 04:01:03 1999 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 09:01:03 +0000 Subject: re HW 97 Message-ID: I first saw HW on the Live 79 tour and was distinctly underwhelmed. But I worked my way backwards through the Calvert material, which I loved, into the Lemmy years, which paled into insignificance. The RCA stuff was a bit too metal/sc-fi for me, although there were some excellent moments tucked away. My reaction to the RCA material has tempered over the years, but the point I was making was that I wanted every HW album to sound like "Astounding...", as that was my favourite era. Any initial disappointment was usually eroded after repeated listening. "Chronicle" remains an all time favourite, and after my initial scepticism, "It Is the Future...", "DH" and their ilk have found a place in my heart. However, the so called golden years of "Space Ritual" remain a mystery. This may be due to a fundemental distaste for live albums, especially those recorded with 2 cans and a bit of string. Hence I like "HW97", I don't like "Text Of Festival" etc. For me HW started with about half of "HOTMG" (with Psychedelic Warlords an all time favourite", bits of "Warrior", then hello "Astounding" and "Quark"! And if I had to pick desert island discs, they would be; Chronicles.. Astounding.. Quark.. Night Of The Hawks EP (or anything else with "Dragons & Fables" on it. Space Bandits It Is The Business.. PXR5 At the bottom would be Hawkwind X In Search Of Space Space Ritual with only a huge number of dodgy live albums below. It just reflects the pantheon of music that HW have offered over the years. Z Keith H wrote "Well, just what Hawkwind *do* you like?!?!? :) You've pretty much blown off over half of their career! I guess you're a big fan of late 70's Calvert era (esp. since Zeitgeist = Spirit of the Age), and perhaps Chronicles era (which I almost never listen to anymore...Sleep of 1000 Tears was the only good song from that album, and I'm including Moonglum - which everyone seems to like except me). And "can't listen to most of the Lemmy era albums"... Wow! I think you're going to be alone on that one. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but I'm not sure where you're coming from. I mean...I really like Electric Tepee, and Choose Your Masques, and Warrior is my favourite album of all time. It was the period just after Choose Your Masques that was their low point." Zeitgeist e-zine PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Feb 7 04:54:04 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 09:54:04 +0000 Subject: HW 97 Message-ID: On l?r 6 feb 1999 17.38 -0500 "Keith Henderson" wrote: > I mean...I > really like Electric Tepee, and Choose Your Masques, and Warrior is my > favourite album of all time. It was the period just after Choose Your > Masques that was their low point. I respectfully disagree :) I thought Sonic Attack and CyM were pretty limp--OK, it was a interesting experiment, but IMO it didn't work. Hawkwind are always at their best when doing space *rock* and leaning too much on any variety of space never seems to work out, IMO. I like the Chronicles > Xenon era rather better than the early 80s, and like Levitation-Live 79 for the same reason. I like Calvert similarly well, just not nearly as much as the early daze or the 90s trio (I thought _Space Bandits_ was weak, but loved _Palace Springs_ and the rock tracks on _ET_ :) _IITBOTFTBD_ I thought was grim, but _A4_ was pretty damn good). Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Feb 7 04:57:55 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 09:57:55 +0000 Subject: OFF: Pink Fairies (was: Re: HW97) Message-ID: On s?n 7 feb 1999 01.06 +0000 "Jonathan Jarrett" wrote: > 'Mandies and Mecsaline' tracks the same as the Italian one. Sounds > like the Cleopatra one might be the choice for you, Carl. Though apparently the sound is not as good, and dynamic range is all important on this one .... though it would be interesting to hear them doing an Airplane cover ;) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Feb 7 05:08:33 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 10:08:33 +0000 Subject: HW: Announcing J.A.P.! Message-ID: On l?r 6 feb 1999 19.04 +0000 DASLUD at aol.com wrote: > WAY TO GO, CARL>>>>>>> > no sooner had i copied down that site address w/intent to use it when the next > mail i read is from you....TANX Well, it might well work fine for others. But Java is one of the most efficient ways of making a medium which is supposed to be as broadly accessible as possible (i.e. the WWW) into something which only works on particular platforms + OSs + browsers! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Sun Feb 7 09:14:47 1999 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 09:14:47 EST Subject: HW: Announcing J.A.P.! Message-ID: In a message dated 2/7/99 5:09:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK writes: > > Well, it might well work fine for others. But Java is one of > the most efficient ways of making a medium which is supposed to be > as broadly accessible as possible (i.e. the WWW) into something > which only works on particular platforms + OSs + browsers! > > Cheers, > Carl unless of course they are using that new java that can only be viewed on MSIE, I had no problem loading the page on MSIE, but a few friends had their Netscape locked up when visiting. bob http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Feb 7 13:03:11 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 13:03:11 EST Subject: re HW 97 Message-ID: now see? "black sword" was purt near unlistenable to me....i played it once and filed it....ha ha....bought "live chronicles" when it first came out and GAVE IT AWAY without getting all the way through it.... i'm not here to be hostile, but i'm DEFINITELY here to be contentious....gimme the lemmy-era band, pounding their way into oblivion...and most of rest of the stuff which followed....well... >>>>>larry From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Feb 7 13:05:03 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 13:05:03 EST Subject: OFF: Pink Fairies (was: Re: HW97) Message-ID: the fairies' airplane cover/pretty cool....they bludgeon it.... From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Feb 7 13:06:57 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 13:06:57 EST Subject: HW: Announcing J.A.P.! Message-ID: dont have much on line xperience so far but this "locked up" stuff is pretty scary.... From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Feb 7 16:26:21 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:26:21 +0000 Subject: re HW 97 Message-ID: On s?n 7 feb 1999 13.03 +0000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > gimme > the lemmy-era band, pounding their way into oblivion... No question that is surely my favorite Hawkwind (though I like the pre-Lemmy ISOS quite well--Lemmy just added that extra *edge*). But, IMO, the early-90s lineup did a good job of recapturing that spirit in an updated context. The live renditions of _Out of the Shadows_ etc. are tremendous. It's a shame there's no official live release of stuff from the sort of 92-93 period. Not surprisingly, I was pretty blown away by Bedouin live :) Now _that_'s a worthy Hawkwind off-shoot! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Feb 7 16:56:09 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:56:09 +0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party Message-ID: On l?r 6 feb 1999 19.56 +0000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > it's got too much CANNED APPLAUSE for one thing, (remember "KISS ALIVE"?) and > while i'm working on proving it, i dont think it's all from that chicago date > either>>> Darned if I would know--I've not much to compare it too. >and i sure don't get why this EMI release sounds so much inferior to > "space ritual" recorded 15 months before....>>>> Mixed differently than SR? There was some speculation on the list that Dave mixed down his guitar on the album release, in keeping with the reduced presence of his guitar at modern gigs. Perhaps it would have sounded different if mixed in 74? Who knows. I was pretty blown away by 1999 Party when it came out, and still listen to it regularly. I'm not holding my breath in the same way for the long-rumoured "Live 76" album which is supposed to be lurking somewhere. I'd far rather see an official release of something like Live at Reading 1992 ... preferably mixed by Chris Goss :) Hmm, that's a good idea. Bring in Chris Goss to produce a new Hawkwind album. Ah, dream on, eternal warriors .... ;) > you realize the entire edmonton sundown 1/26/74 was very likely > recorded...this show included the original performances which would become > the released versions > of "paradox", "you'd better believe it" and "it's so easy"....bob calvert made > one of his few 1974 appearances at this show>>>>but>>>>(wait for it)....simon > house was NOT present at this show; his parts were overdubbed in the > studio...now that you mention it, the "1999 party" tour was his first as an > official hw member>>> An official release of Edmonton Sundown would be a fine thing if someone has the tapes somewhere. The named tracks are certainly among my HW faves. I have always consider them "lost Hawkwind" in a way, since they don't have anything like the presence of other material from that era in the sets of later line-ups. When was the last time HW played "It's So Easy"? Not recently, that's for sure! > i believe the cd set is the first "new" lemmy-era hw to be released since he > got the boot in '75....the darkest hawkwind day of all.... Barring, I suppose, in a way, the full versions of "Brainstorm" and "Time We Left" on SR2. Those really should have been restored on the remastered albums, IMO. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Feb 7 17:43:27 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 17:43:27 EST Subject: HW: 1999 Party Message-ID: yeah, carl, you're right about that sr2 stuff having "new" lemmy>>>>>>larry From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Feb 7 17:59:23 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 17:59:23 EST Subject: re HW 97 Message-ID: guess i need to hear bedouin... ISOS established "that sound", 'tis true, and i had it, and liked it, when it was new in the states (ca. summer '72), but the king/lemmy rhythm section was what did it for me>>>i didn't mean to suggest that there hasnt been glimpses of that ol' hw MAGICK all along, y'know>>>>> but only glimpses.... the "trio" period was pretty great; brock got charged up for awhile,and he's stepping back some now... >>>larry From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Feb 7 18:53:46 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 23:53:46 +0000 Subject: HW: Bedouin Message-ID: On s?n 7 feb 1999 17.59 +0000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > guess i need to hear bedouin... Yes. I think "cross 90s HW with Motorhead" is a not unfair description of Bedouin live. Neither _Captured Rotation_ nor _Bedouin_ itself (the AD solo album) sound like the live band, really. I liked _Captured Rotation_ a lot, but was afraid Alan might over-indulged in floaty synth stuff live (I like floaty synths, but not _too_ much all at once). My fears were completely unjustified. So much so, that I think they'd be OK with a permanent synth player (as always, I recommend Jens from Spacious Mind :) but I think Alan is concentrating on the hard, fast, and LOUD aspects--and not without superb effect. Actually, it's rather like a meaner sounding early 90s Hawkwind (not surprising, I suppose). I reach this by concluding that in an ideal world Alan would have Richard and Dave on drums and guitar ... ;) Even the undeal world has a damn fine Bedouin in it! Speaking of which, any further news on tour dates? I've got people in Cambridge who are psyched to see them! Part of my continuing campaign to convince students grooving to the current "stoner" (dreadful term!) bands that HW and Co. are things they need to know about :) If Bedouin can put out an album which captures the live feel, it will be extremely impressive. I am a complete sucker for spacerock with loud guitars and (Rick :) basses propelled by booster-rocket 2/2 drumming :) Music actually left rolling in the wake of unlikely starships as they forge across the churning void. Knobs to 11 and maximum warp: Yee hah :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Sun Feb 7 19:23:35 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 19:23:35 -0500 Subject: HW: Bedouin In-Reply-To: <604628.3127420426@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 11:53 PM 2/7/99 +0000, you wrote: > > Speaking of which, any further news on tour dates? I've >got people in Cambridge who are psyched to see them! Part >of my continuing campaign to convince students grooving to >the current "stoner" (dreadful term!) bands that HW and Co. >are things they need to know about :) True, true. Back in my day (a.k.a 1.5 years ago), the collegiate population was extremely unyeilding to music that wasnt sanctified by the tastemongers of america. However, graduate school is a bit more freewheeling in its aural openess. What bothers me most is the absolute SILENCE of the offices. I cannot see how they can work in a tomb. I assume its different where you are Carl, since youre there carrying the space rock onwards in its crusade to kick ass wheerver it touches down. Speaking of touring and mighty mighty rock music, pollstar.com has a gaggle (yes, a gaggle) of European tour dates for Bevis Frond. After listening to more by the group/Nick, I am throughly convinced of Frond's rocking capacity, not to mention laying down a wicked electric guitar barrage. In the meantime, Albany, NY has nothing of any caliber to rattle the eardrum at 1000 paces. > Knobs to 11 and maximum warp: Yee hah :) You got that right! Stones live 'Midnight Rambler' kicking the amps into happier realms, Jason PS: doesnt it seem silly to tour in promotion of a live album like the stones are doing? you cant say "heres something off our new album" and really excite the fans now can you? hehe ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Feb 7 19:50:40 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 00:50:40 +0000 Subject: HW: Bedouin Message-ID: On s?n 7 feb 1999 19.23 -0500 "Bolts of Ungodly Vision" wrote: > At 11:53 PM 2/7/99 +0000, you wrote: >>Part >>of my continuing campaign to convince students grooving to >>the current "stoner" (dreadful term!) bands that HW and Co. >>are things they need to know about :) > > True, true. Back in my day (a.k.a 1.5 years ago), the collegiate population > was extremely unyeilding to music that wasnt sanctified by the tastemongers > of america. However, graduate school is a bit more freewheeling in its > aural openess. Youth are seldom open to the untrendy. But luckily the "stoner/desert rock" seen is relatively trendy at the moment, and it's no effort at all to convince people who like Kyuss that _Space Ritual_ is pretty cool ... once you've convinced them to listen to it. It's actually mostly undergrads to whom I'm evangelizing. Though I will shamelessly say there might be a few Cambridge grad students not unfamiliar with this list who would be wealthier and less HW intensive had I not been here :) > What bothers me most is the absolute SILENCE of the offices. > I cannot see how they can work in a tomb. I assume its different where you > are Carl, since youre there carrying the space rock onwards in its crusade > to kick ass wheerver it touches down. Barring the library, I work in my room :) So I can kick out the jams as necessary :) But mostly I try to con people from the uni rock society into checking out new stuff. It can be uphill task, but every soul won to the light is a victory. Thanks to Metallica's "Astronomy" cover, that opened the door for me to evangelize BOC as well. Halleluia! > Speaking of touring and mighty mighty rock music, pollstar.com has a gaggle > (yes, a gaggle) of European tour dates for Bevis Frond. After listening to > more by the group/Nick, I am throughly convinced of Frond's rocking > capacity, not to mention laying down a wicked electric guitar barrage. Definitely. Nick can "play a bit", as they say :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Sun Feb 7 21:50:00 1999 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 03:50:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Bedouin In-Reply-To: <604628.3127420426@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > Yes. I think "cross 90s HW with Motorhead" is a not unfair >description of Bedouin live. Neither _Captured Rotation_ nor >_Bedouin_ itself (the AD solo album) sound like the live band, >really. I liked _Captured Rotation_ a lot, but was afraid >Alan might over-indulged in floaty synth stuff live (I >like floaty synths, but not _too_ much all at once). > > My fears were completely unjustified. So much so, that I >think they'd be OK with a permanent synth player (as always, I >recommend Jens from Spacious Mind :) but I think Alan is >concentrating on the hard, fast, and LOUD aspects--and not >without superb effect. > > Actually, it's rather like a meaner sounding early 90s >Hawkwind (not surprising, I suppose). I reach this by concluding >that in an ideal world Alan would have Richard and Dave on drums >and guitar ... ;) > Even the undeal world has a damn fine Bedouin in it! > > Speaking of which, any further news on tour dates? I've >got people in Cambridge who are psyched to see them! Part >of my continuing campaign to convince students grooving to >the current "stoner" (dreadful term!) bands that HW and Co. >are things they need to know about :) > > If Bedouin can put out an album which captures the live feel, >it will be extremely impressive. I am a complete sucker for >spacerock with loud guitars and (Rick :) basses propelled by >booster-rocket 2/2 drumming :) Music actually left rolling in the >wake of unlikely starships as they forge across the churning void. > > Knobs to 11 and maximum warp: Yee hah :) maybe this will help. but please check first before travelling. andre More Alan Davey live dates as follows: Thursday 25th February The Albert, Trafalgar Street, Brighton 4th March Boat Race, East Road, Cambridge 5th March Hanover Hotel, Hanover St, Liverpool 6th March Victoria, Midland Place, Derby 11th March Alexanders Jazz Theatre, Rufus Court, Chester 13th March Adelphi Hotel, Fylde St, Preston (w/Harvey Bainbridge) 19th March Verdis, Maiden St, Weymouth 24th March Axiom, Cheltenham 26th Narch Old railway, Birmingham 27th March Harrogate Arms, Harrogate 1st April Limelight, Crewe 2nd April Transport club, Rochdale 9th April Albert, Brighton 10th April George 4th, Brixton 15th April TJ's Newport 16th April Axe and Cleaver, Boston, Lincs 17th April Studio, Hartlepool Check with venue before going. The details of these dates are correct at time of printing (31-1-99). Bedouin have NOT actually signed a new deal, I am informed, and a new 'proper' album is unlikely to surface before the tour. Which reminds me, apologies to the 40 or so CD Services customers still waiting for Alan to do copies of the 'Sci-Fi Delic' CD-R but he won't respond to our requests and there are stil a further 80 out of the promised 300 ltd edition still to be made to reach that target, Bear with us From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Feb 7 22:15:18 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 22:15:18 EST Subject: HW: Bedouin Message-ID: thank you! send me an address if you like and i'll send you some of my own (as drummer) attempts at this pounding-into-oblivion-type-stuff, in the form of DAS LUDICROIX.... carl anderson appears on much of it.. if you're interested. i'll explain the "premise" behind these mostly-boombox recordings, which have been unusually well-received>>>>>if you really like that kinda stuff, this may well be more of it (no synths, tho) >>>>>lb From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Feb 7 22:24:49 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 22:24:49 EST Subject: HW: Bedouin Message-ID: hey carl.... re: "metallica's 'astronomy' cover leading you into boc...." i can think of voivod's cover of barrett/floyd's "astronomy domine...."....and boc's "workshop of the telescopes" (heh) but getting it i'm not. hmm >>>>larry From hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET Mon Feb 8 05:23:12 1999 From: hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET (D Witt) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 04:23:12 -0600 Subject: OFF: Minnesota Progrock, Spaceglam Message-ID: Just in case anybody on the list is near Minneapolis I'll mention an upcoming progrock show. February 16th at the Red Sea will be Progwonk and Bubblemath. If you're into King Crimson or Camel you'd probably like them. Check out their web sites: http://www.progwonk.com and http://www.ttinet.com/bubblemath/ Also if you think you might like space-glam check out Silverfox. The Silverfox web site is linked to the Progwonk web site. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Feb 8 06:06:15 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:06:15 +0000 Subject: BOTH: Conversion/Evangelization :) Message-ID: On s?n 7 feb 1999 22.24 +0000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > hey carl.... > re: "metallica's 'astronomy' cover leading you into boc...." > i can think of voivod's cover of barrett/floyd's "astronomy domine...."....and > boc's "workshop of the telescopes" (heh) but getting it i'm not. hmm I think I have the Voivod somewhere--or possibly I gave it to my girlfriend since she's a big Syd-era Floyd fan. I was trying to get some people here to play an arrangement of Astronomy Domine > Interstellar Overdrive > Astronomy Domine but never got it sorted out. Well, I like BOC well and that a band well-known to the younger people I know (my BOC convert is, I think, 18!) such as Metallica covered them is a potent introduction. I've had better success getting people into Hawkwind though! (And Gov't Mule, strangely enough!). Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Feb 8 06:11:11 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:11:11 +0000 Subject: BOC: New BOC? Message-ID: Clipped on-line: ---- BLUE OYSTER CULT will contribute a new, unreleased track to the Heavy Metal 2 soundtrack, which will be out in July... ---- !? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Feb 8 06:24:58 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:24:58 +0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party In-Reply-To: <180220.3127413369@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > >and i sure don't get why this EMI release sounds so much inferior to > > "space ritual" recorded 15 months before....>>>> > > Mixed differently than SR? There was some speculation on the > list that Dave mixed down his guitar on the album release, in > keeping with the reduced presence of his guitar at modern gigs. > Perhaps it would have sounded different if mixed in 74? Who > knows. I was pretty blown away by 1999 Party when it came out, > and still listen to it regularly. I'm not holding my breath in > the same way for the long-rumoured "Live 76" album which is > supposed to be lurking somewhere. I'd far rather see an official > release of something like Live at Reading 1992 ... preferably > mixed by Chris Goss :) I can't help noticing that in the '1999 Party' mixing Nik is almost totally absent for the bulk of the CD, lost in the wash. Not that I'm suggesting Dave had anything to do with that, _obviously_. I vote for Chris Goss as next HW producer too. Yours, Jon -- /_______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Epsilon oscillator psychotronic attenuation shift - AFFIRMATIVE!" | | ICU | \_______________________________________________________________________/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Feb 8 06:24:59 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:24:59 +0000 Subject: HW: Bedouin Message-ID: On m?n 8 feb 1999 03.50 +0100 cosmos wrote: > More Alan Davey live dates as follows: Brilliant! Thanks. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Feb 8 06:29:50 1999 From: pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM (Juha Nurmenniemi) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 03:29:50 PST Subject: OFF: Pink Fairies (was: Re: HW97) Message-ID: Hi Carl! They do the same thing with the Airplane tune as they do with the live version of Uncle Sam, crank the guitar up and tear the song up into a higher hemisphere.IMO that is what it?s all about Juba >>From owner-boc-l at listserv.spc.edu Sun Feb 7 02:05:30 1999 >Received: from listserv.spc.edu (listserv at listserv.spc.edu [192.107.46.113]) > by listserv.spc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.8/SPC-2.2-NORELAY) with ESMTP id EAA13156; > Sun, 7 Feb 1999 04:59:10 -0500 (EST) >Received: from LISTSERV.SPC.EDU by LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release > 1.8b) with spool id 7283 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 > 04:59:09 -0500 >Received: from mailgate.spc.edu (root at mailgate.spc.edu [192.107.46.158]) by > listserv.spc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.8/SPC-2.2-NORELAY) with ESMTP id EAA13149 > for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 04:59:08 -0500 (EST) >Received: from taurus.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim at taurus.cus.cam.ac.uk > [131.111.8.48]) by mailgate.spc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/SPC-3.0-NORELAY) > with ESMTP id EAA08345 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 > 04:59:04 -0500 (EST) >Received: from cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.142.160]) by taurus.cus.cam.ac.uk > with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 109QzV-0001P8-00 for > BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 09:59:01 +0000 >X-Mailer: Mulberry (MacOS) [1.3.2.2, s/n S-100001] >X-Authenticated: cea20 by imap.cus.cam.ac.uk >X-Licensed-To: University of Cambridge >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserv.spc.edu id > EAA13150 >Message-ID: <84320.3127370275 at cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> >Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 09:57:55 +0000 >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >From: Carl Edlund Anderson >Subject: Re: OFF: Pink Fairies (was: Re: HW97) >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by listserv.spc.edu id EAA13156 > >On s=F6n 7 feb 1999 01.06 +0000 "Jonathan Jarrett" > wrote: >> 'Mandies and Mecsaline' tracks the same as the Italian one. Sounds >> like the Cleopatra one might be the choice for you, Carl. > > Though apparently the sound is not as good, and dynamic >range is all important on this one .... though it would be >interesting to hear them doing an Airplane cover ;) > > >-- >Carl Edlund Anderson >Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic >St. John's College, University of Cambridge >mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk >http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Mon Feb 8 06:43:50 1999 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:43:50 +1100 Subject: HW: Broken J.A.P :( Message-ID: Hmmmm .... Well, I need to get to the bottom of all this! First up, before you all go off on a 3000-odd message thread tangent, there's NO JAVA at http://sonique.net/jap for exactly the reasons cited (ie - it sucks). There IS JavaScript however, which I thought would have caused more probs for IE than NS ... sigh I built the pages for IE4.01, then tested them in IE3.02 (fixing all which didn't work), then repeated this cycle for NS4.06. Satisfied on Windows95&98, I then had it tested by others using NS4.01, NS4.08 and NS5.5 for Mac, and modified a few more things .... and STILL it's broken! Aaargggh! So what browsers doesn't it work in? I haven't tried Opera, and I'm not fussed if it's broken in Lynx (I did go to the trouble of putting a non- Javascript detection thingy in the front page, so the purists out there shouldn't be too offended) ... but more specifically, exactly what doesn't work? What do the errors say, and on what sections of the page? Replies direct to the culprit (me) would be in order I guess .... The life of a cross-platform webmaster is not an easy one :( If all else fails I'll make a plain-vanilla alternative index for the browser impaired. Soniqu? -- PO Box 884 Paul Ward Mt Waverley http://sonique.net VIC 3149 (time permitting) Mob:0418 524744 sonique at sonique.net From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Feb 8 06:53:38 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:53:38 GMT Subject: Hawkwind: New Black Widow release info In-Reply-To: Bob Lennon's message of Fri, 5 Feb 1999 22:57:52 EST Message-ID: Bob Lennon writes: > Hello, > the following is a copy of part of an email i received from Black Widow. > I believe it is of interest to some. > We want to inform you that we're doing a new ALAn "The ELF"Davey album > about sci-fi and he's doing 3 new tracks for us now. > Another big thing you have to know is A TRIBUTE TO SCI-FI MOVIES > incl.Hawkwind,A.DAVEY,F/i,ST37,ARCMET,SPACEHEAD,KREL,MOOCH and other > bands from the planet doing a track about his favourite movie. > It's a 2cds-3lps box+book with many photos from movies and infos about > all the bands-we just released the same about Horror and it'e great. > We hope to hear from you soon > Massimo So Bob, what's the contact info for this guy? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Feb 8 07:00:20 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 12:00:20 GMT Subject: OFF: scanning LP covers Message-ID: Not an easy task with an A4 scanner, but a necessary one for doing LP to CD backups. My question is therefore whether anyone knows of any foftware which would take multiple overlapping scans, match the overlaps by the magic of programming, and produce the whole piccie again. Seems to me that it shouldn't be so hard to do. Answers on a postcard to... FoFP From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Feb 8 06:36:59 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 07:36:59 EDT Subject: HW: Bedouin In-Reply-To: <809980.3127423840@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > From: Carl Edlund Anderson > On s?n 7 feb 1999 19.23 -0500 "Bolts of Ungodly Vision" > > Speaking of touring and mighty mighty rock music, pollstar.com has a > gaggle > > (yes, a gaggle) of European tour dates for Bevis Frond. After listening > to > > more by the group/Nick, I am throughly convinced of Frond's rocking > > capacity, not to mention laying down a wicked electric guitar barrage. > > Definitely. Nick can "play a bit", as they say :) Oh, man you said that right! Jason, remember that BF show at Chuck's? About 20 people there for that one, but Nick was on flame with rock and roll and other styles as well. Carl, any ideas about Nick's main axe? Looks like a Jazzmaster/Jaguar body shape, but apparently heavily modded... theo From pn013 at LAMP.AC.UK Mon Feb 8 07:42:19 1999 From: pn013 at LAMP.AC.UK (THE CIDER KING) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 12:42:19 GMT Subject: BOC: A mention on the telly Message-ID: Hello all, DFTR got about 10 secs of play on Alan Partridge last night on BBC. It was the first song played by the DJ doing the breakfast show after taking over from Alan. It was introduced with the words - "Here's Blue Oyster Cult with a song from their Agents of Fortune albumn" First time I've heard a reference to BOC on a British written comedy show. Anyone know of any other occurances? BTW Alan Partridge is a sitcom based on the life a local radio DJ based in Norwich, with appalling taste in jumpers and the tendency to say very obvious and boring things, and to stretch metaphors way beyond their breaking point. Cheers, Martin "And when the party's over, It's all over" - Blue Oyster Cult From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Feb 8 06:41:14 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 07:41:14 EDT Subject: HW: Bedouin In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990207192335.0068d560@mail1.wizvax.net> Message-ID: > From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision > Stones live 'Midnight Rambler' kicking the amps into happier realms, > Jason > > PS: doesnt it seem silly to tour in promotion of a live album like the > stones are doing? you cant say "heres something off our new album" and > really excite the fans now can you? hehe I work not far from the Carrier Dome, a venue where the Stones appear on every tour. You should see the fans that come in for the shows. Total yuppies, and quite pathetic-looking at that. I'm quite sue most of them head for the exits well before encore time. The only thing that might excite them could be when they mail the last payment on their sport-utility-vehicles... theo From Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Feb 8 08:13:47 1999 From: Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK (Neil Ward) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:13:47 GMT Subject: HW: Bedouin In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990208035000.007d8b90@casema.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Feb 1999 03:50:00 +0100, you wrote: > More Alan Davey live dates as follows: Thursday 25th February The Albert, >Trafalgar >Street, Brighton >4th March Boat Race, East Road, Cambridge >5th March Hanover Hotel, Hanover St, Liverpool Liverpool cancelled. >6th March Victoria, Midland Place, Derby >11th March Alexanders Jazz Theatre, Rufus Court, Chester >13th March Adelphi Hotel, Fylde St, Preston (w/Harvey Bainbridge) >19th March Verdis, Maiden St, Weymouth Sorry, but the tour will now start on the 24th at Cheltenham, with some of the previous dates moved around to accomodate. >24th March Axiom, Cheltenham >26th Narch Old railway, Birmingham >27th March Harrogate Arms, Harrogate >1st April Limelight, Crewe >2nd April Transport club, Rochdale >9th April Albert, Brighton >10th April George 4th, Brixton >15th April TJ's Newport >16th April Axe and Cleaver, Boston, Lincs >17th April Studio, Hartlepool >Check with venue before going. The details of these dates are correct at >time of printing >(31-1-99). Yes, DEFINITELY check! >Bedouin have NOT actually signed a new deal, I am informed, and a new >'proper' album is >unlikely to surface before the tour. Which reminds me, apologies to the 40 >or so CD >Services customers still waiting for Alan to do copies of the 'Sci-Fi >Delic' CD-R but he won't >respond to our requests and there are stil a further 80 out of the promised >300 ltd edition >still to be made to reach that target, Bear with us They will be sorted out soon, Neil. From des at SUPERLINK.NET Mon Feb 8 08:16:12 1999 From: des at SUPERLINK.NET (E F) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:16:12 -0400 Subject: OFF: scanning LP covers In-Reply-To: <199902081200.MAA26830@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 08-Feb-99, M Holmes says to me: > Not an easy task with an A4 scanner, but a necessary one for doing LP to > CD backups. > > My question is therefore whether anyone knows of any foftware which > would take multiple overlapping scans, match the overlaps by the magic > of programming, and produce the whole piccie again. Seems to me that it > shouldn't be so hard to do. > > Answers on a postcard to... > > FoFP > Enroute Imaging has software called "QuickStitch" which is designed primarily for assembling panoramic pictures out of a series of overlaping images. It will handle vertical as well as horizontal (or both) pictures to complete the whole. Haven't tried it myself but the demo I saw of it was pretty impresive. I know it comes free with the Olympus Digital cameras. The program itself is around $100, but for $300-400 more you also get a neat digital camera! --Eric -- Rise to claim Saturn- Ring and Sky From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Feb 8 09:47:41 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:47:41 EST Subject: HW: Bedouin Message-ID: there's some irony in that d. brock is of the same generation as the stones (he was doing something resembling "gigging" in the late '50s!) but, any other possible criticisms aside, he has never come off as WRETCHED as the stones do these days...recently saw a bunch of stones '60s tv appearances (incl. the READY STEADY GO ep where the girls storm the stage) and DAMN, they've persisted so far beyond their time you'd forget that they were once a REALLY GOOD BAND.... but it's time for them to give it up and go away.....please.... >>>>>larry From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Feb 8 10:00:28 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:00:28 EST Subject: HW: 1999 Party Message-ID: it's been suggested more than once that nik's being mostly buried on "'99 party" was intentional on mr. brock's part....and while there may be some truth to that, we should also allow for the likelihood that nik was hopping about (as he was when i saw'em two weeks after the '99 party") which didnt lend itself to properly recording his parts>> >>>>>>and wouldnt it be kinda fukt for brock to mix his 1974 guitar parts to reflect the 1998/9 hw sound? i doubt this was a consideration; it BETTER NOT have been>>>> >>>>larry From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Feb 8 10:07:36 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:07:36 EST Subject: OFF: Minnesota Progrock, Spaceglam Message-ID: progwonk>>>>> bubblemath>>>> with names like that they've GOTTA be some kinda cool>>>>>>> From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Feb 8 10:05:44 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:05:44 EST Subject: BOTH: Conversion/Evangelization :) Message-ID: so the question remains for me: was there a boc song, "astronomy", covered by metallica? learning "interstellar OD" should be easy enough....."learn this one phrase/then jam on E , length to be determined/eventually return to the phrase when yr. exhausted" >>>>>>>larry From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Feb 8 10:22:27 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:22:27 +0000 Subject: BOTH: Conversion/Evangelization :) Message-ID: On m?n 8 feb 1999 10.05 +0000 DASLUD at aol.com wrote: > so the question remains for me: > was there a boc song, "astronomy", covered by metallica? Whoops--misunderstanding. Yes, there was. > learning "interstellar OD" should be easy enough....."learn this one > phrase/then jam on E , length to be determined/eventually return to the phrase > when yr. exhausted" Yes, but the drummer got confused by the little splashabout at the start of "Astronomy Domine" (he wasn't much on improv!) and then we never got everyone all together at once to run through it! I did once do a fun jam on "Interstellar Overdrive" that went into Hawkwind's "Iron Dream" somewhere in the middle. Worked really well, actually. And, of course, at J?nk?ping Pseudo Sun did a few phrases of "Interstellar Overdrive" mid-jam :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Feb 8 10:27:10 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:27:10 +0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party Message-ID: On m?n 8 feb 1999 10.00 +0000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: >>>>>>>and wouldnt it be kinda fukt for brock to mix his 1974 guitar parts to > reflect the 1998/9 hw sound? i doubt this was a consideration; it BETTER NOT > have been>>>> Yes, but there is a school of thought which suggests Dave feels overly self-conscious about his guitar playing these days, keeping himself low at gigs and also perhaps mixing it back in 1999 Party? Not necessarily to reflect current sound, but stemming from a cause which also shapes current sound. Unfortunate, if true, since Dave's guitar *rules* and more or less *is* Hawkwind :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From hogard at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Feb 8 10:56:04 1999 From: hogard at HOTMAIL.COM (James A. Hogard) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:56:04 CST Subject: Hawkwind: New Black Widow release info Message-ID: Bob Lennon wrote: >Hello, >the following is a copy of part of an email i received from Black Widow. >I believe it is of interest to some. >Another big thing you have to know is A TRIBUTE TO SCI-FI MOVIES >incl.Hawkwind,A.DAVEY,F/i,ST37,ARCMET,SPACEHEAD,KREL,MOOCH and other >bands from the planet doing a track about his favourite movie. ST37 provided live music for a showing of Fritz Lang's _Metropolis_ here in Austin a few months ago. They're a great bunch of guys with their heads firmly planted in space. hogard ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Feb 8 10:53:11 1999 From: MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark P Lee) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:53:11 +0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 5 Feb 1999 to 6 Feb 1999 In-Reply-To: <199902061000.FAA06538@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: >So in other words, every new member of Hawkwind since 1985 (Richard, >Bridget, Ron, Jerry, Crum [does he count?] - Simon House doesn't count as >"new") played in a band on the TAT album? What about Capt. Rizz? Was he >in any of the reggae bands on TAT (Rhythmites were one, I think)? > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com And for those who remember The Rhythmites ?? They are on at The Victoria in Derby, March 9th, surprise surprise Dr Hasbeen are up for the support set !! This music business is such fun ! Later, Mark. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please reply to mark at esparto.demon.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Feb 8 11:13:12 1999 From: MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark P Lee) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:13:12 +0000 Subject: OFF: Bedouin dates In-Reply-To: <199902081000.FAA17727@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: This popped up : andre More Alan Davey live dates as follows: Thursday 25th February The Albert, Trafalgar Street, Brighton 4th March Boat Race, East Road, Cambridge 5th March Hanover Hotel, Hanover St, Liverpool 6th March Victoria, Midland Place, Derby 11th March Alexanders Jazz Theatre, Rufus Court, Chester 13th March Adelphi Hotel, Fylde St, Preston (w/Harvey Bainbridge) 19th March Verdis, Maiden St, Weymouth 24th March Axiom, Cheltenham 26th Narch Old railway, Birmingham 27th March Harrogate Arms, Harrogate 1st April Limelight, Crewe 2nd April Transport club, Rochdale 9th April Albert, Brighton 10th April George 4th, Brixton 15th April TJ's Newport 16th April Axe and Cleaver, Boston, Lincs 17th April Studio, Hartlepool Check with venue before going. The details of these dates are correct at time of printing (31-1-99). Bedouin have NOT actually signed a new deal, I am informed, and a new 'proper' album is 6th March, Derby, as posted earlier, definitely POSTPONED, AFAIK it's now April 28th and the hint I got was that Al is moving all of these dates back a bit. Maybe he wants to get a deal and then tour to promote a 'proper' album (eh !). I got his info on Feb 3rd, will post if I hear any different. Cheers, Mark. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please reply to mark at esparto.demon.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Feb 8 11:07:43 1999 From: MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark P Lee) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:07:43 +0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 7 Feb 1999 to 8 Feb 1999 In-Reply-To: <199902081000.FAA17727@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: You wrote : Speaking of which, any further news on tour dates? I've got people in Cambridge who are psyched to see them! Part of my continuing campaign to convince students grooving to the current "stoner" (dreadful term!) bands that HW and Co. are things they need to know about :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge I think someone may have mentioned that Al is currently rescheduling a few dates, the gig which was to have been The Victoria, Derby on March 6th is now put back to around April 28th, I will confirm thjis date with the landlord in the near future. ? Does anybody know why he's moving his gigs back at all ? Cheers, Mark. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please reply to mark at esparto.demon.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Feb 8 11:36:45 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:36:45 -0500 Subject: OFF: Magma tour Message-ID: Hi Folks... Dunno how many Magma fans there are here, but just thought I'd post these dates for any who might be interested. I suppose you could debate whether this is truly Magma or Christian Vander and Friends, but it should be interesting in any case. I think the Baltimore (Silver Spring really) gig is with Porcupine Tree, and the San Francisco gig is the two-day ProgFest, also with Porcupine Tree, and Banco, and yet more. (I'll be there...anyone else going??) Keith H. (FAA) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Avignon: 19/20 mars Annecy: 24 mars Besancon: 25 mars (ca c'est pour Ange:))) Strabsourg: 3 avril Toulouse: 7 avril Marseille: 9 avril Dijon: 21 avril Hagondange: 1er mai (j'y serai!) Quebec: May 23rd Boston: May 25th Baltimore: May 26 New York: May 27 Chicago: May 28 San Francisco: May 30 Los Angeles: May 31 Seattle: June 1 Vancouver: June 2 Mexico: June 5 & 6 Bressuire: 19juin! The MAGMA lineup seems to be (as far as I know): Christian Vander: voc, drums Antoine Paganotti: voc, drums Stella Vander: voc, keys Isabelle Feuillebois: voc James Mc gaw: guitar Philippe Bussonet: bass Emmanuel Borghi: piano The tunes played MAY be the following: Theusz Hamtaahk Wurdah Itah Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh Hhai Floe Essi Ektah (add.: maybe Kohntarkosz) It's also their playlist for France I guess. What is sure is that they'll play ALL the Theusz Hamtaahk trilogy live for the first time. From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Feb 8 12:04:53 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:04:53 -0600 Subject: BOC: An unlikely BOC reference Message-ID: >That CDnow's 'album advisor' is an utter crap. I dunno, sometimes its not too far off... >Go to the advice 'if you like the First/T&M/Secret Treaties suite, then we recommend you these titles', and it will spit out the following: >Pink Floyd - The Dark Side Of The Moon >Funkadelic - America Eats Its Young Well at least these two are good company for the BOC 1st 3. Beyond Mott and Hanson I have no clue who the rest are. >The Agents Of Fortune 'advisor' yields the following results: Led Zeppelin - Houses Of The Holy Chicago - Greatest Hits 1982-1989 Grateful Dead - Mars Hotel Stevie Wonder - Songs In The Key Of Life Again, not bad company to be in but BOC and Stevie Wonder is quite a stretch. Dosen't the album advisor track purchases and fave lists? I think this is the case. Pretty soon Savatage will appear under BOC- Album Advisor. I buy a lot of their stuff from CDNow. JS>Yes, after a long hiatus in the greater Boston area, BOC will be back on March 14th, at the Middle East in Cambridge (this comes from Eric Bloom on the AOL boards). Take your bass, a Sharpie and look for Danny. A big King's X fan BTW but then most musicians are. L8er Ghost in the Ruins OBCD - Ghost in the Ruins (Live Comp of various shows thru the Gutter Ballet Era....) From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Mon Feb 8 12:13:00 1999 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:13:00 GMT Subject: OFF: scanning LP cove Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1999-02-08 17:13 > My question is therefore whether anyone knows of any foftware which > would take multiple overlapping scans, match the overlaps by the magic > of programming, and produce the whole piccie again. Seems to me that it > shouldn't be so hard to do. > > Answers on a postcard to... > > FoFP I've used ImagePals to do "stitching" in the past but unless you have mega-MBs of RAM, it takes simply ages and then confused the intensity of the image in the over-lapping areas so the over-lapped area appeared too bright. Still, usable but slow. Nowadays, I use Corel Photo Paint (you should be able to get version 6 nice and cheap and despite a few bugs, its pretty good). There isn't a direct stitch function in this package but you can use the object functions to merge two images and then move them around to match the join. I've scanned some >A4 size documents using an A4 scanner and merged them into a single image so that I can only tell where the join is because I know where it is. No, its not automatic and requires a bit of patience but the results are good. Mark From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Mon Feb 8 12:22:25 1999 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 12:22:25 EST Subject: Hawkwind: New Black Widow release info Message-ID: Bob Lennon writes: <<> Hello, > the following is a copy of part of an email i received from Black Widow. > I believe it is of interest to some. > We want to inform you that we're doing a new ALAn "The ELF"Davey album > about sci-fi and he's doing 3 new tracks for us now. > Another big thing you have to know is A TRIBUTE TO SCI-FI MOVIES > incl.Hawkwind,A.DAVEY,F/i,ST37,ARCMET,SPACEHEAD,KREL,MOOCH and other > bands from the planet doing a track about his favourite movie. > It's a 2cds-3lps box+book with many photos from movies and infos about > all the bands-we just released the same about Horror and it'e great. > We hope to hear from you soon > Massimo In a message dated 2/8/99, 5:54:26 AM, BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU writes: So Bob, what's the contact info for this guy? FoFP >> ok, Massimo's email is: blackwidow at zilli.com but you can contact the Hawkman in the U.S. for fast & reliable mail order at: spiegel at intplsrv.net I wish I could help more, but I'm not a distributor. Bob http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html From peter at FAIRFIELD.KAROO.CO.UK Mon Feb 8 14:20:08 1999 From: peter at FAIRFIELD.KAROO.CO.UK (Peter Greendale) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:20:08 +0000 Subject: BOC: A mention on the telly Message-ID: THE CIDER KING wrote: > Hello all, > DFTR got about 10 secs of play on Alan Partridge last night on BBC. It was the > first song played by the DJ doing the breakfast show after taking over from > Alan. It was introduced with the words - "Here's Blue Oyster Cult with a song > from their Agents of Fortune albumn" First time I've heard a reference to BOC > on a British written comedy show. Anyone know of any other occurances? Don't really know whether this counts........ but on the spoof Radio 1 show 'Smashy and Nicey' (the names of the actors escape me but everyone in the UK will recognise the DJs), one of the DJs has a Blue Oyster Cult sew - on patch on his regulation issue silk jacket. (bit like mine off my old Levi jacket-those were the days.............) Rock'n' roll eh? Peter Greendale Hull, England > > BTW Alan Partridge is a sitcom based on the life a local radio DJ based in > Norwich, with appalling taste in jumpers and the tendency to say very obvious > and boring things, and to stretch metaphors way beyond their breaking point. > Cheers, > Martin > > "And when the party's over, It's all over" - Blue Oyster Cult From Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Feb 8 14:22:59 1999 From: Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK (Neil Ward) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:22:59 -0000 Subject: Cyclone blows down Tree in Brainstorm Message-ID: Can a Tree control a Cyclone? Apparently so if the Tree in question is called Ron and the Cyclone is the name of his audio generator. Built from aerospace parts (let's hope it doesn't end in an Aerospaceage Inferno:-)), it consists of 8 oscillators, 2 white noise generators, a Pulse Width Modulator and a 16 channel mixer. There is also a patch board and a 5W monitor amp with headphone socket. It can be controlled like a Theremin, which means that Ron can wave his hands near it to control pitch and volume. This should give a good on-stage effect knowing how Ron likes to perform. It was built for Hawkwind last year by Hawkfan Steve S. who named it 'The Cyclone' because it blows your mind. Ron should be using the Cyclone on the next tour later this year. Ron would also like to buy a second bass guitar, and asks if any fans out there would like to help finance this by buying his robot, which was used on the Alien tour. If you're interested in helping him out, check the details at the Mission Control web site on http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/. You could then claim to have influenced the next Hawkwind sound... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Feb 8 15:38:49 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 20:38:49 +0000 Subject: HW: Bedouin Message-ID: On m?n 8 feb 1999 07.36 +0000 "Ted Jackson jr. s2h2" wrote: > Carl, any ideas about > Nick's main axe? Looks like a Jazzmaster/Jaguar body shape, but > apparently heavily modded... You know, I asked Nick about this at a gig a year or so back (haven't seen them since :( ) and ... I'm damned if I remember! Could it be a "Jagstang" kinda thing? Cheers, Carl ObCD: The Modern Art, _All Aboard the Mind Train_ -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Mon Feb 8 16:15:49 1999 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:15:49 +0100 Subject: OFF: Pink Fairies (was: Re: HW97) In-Reply-To: <19990208112951.13934.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: >Hi Carl! > >They do the same thing with the Airplane tune as they do with the live >version of Uncle Sam, crank the guitar up and tear the song up into a >higher hemisphere.IMO that is what it?s all about >Juba now what's wrong with that !!!!! andre > >>> 'Mandies and Mecsaline' tracks the same as the Italian one. Sounds >>> like the Cleopatra one might be the choice for you, Carl. >> >> Though apparently the sound is not as good, and dynamic >>range is all important on this one .... though it would be >>interesting to hear them doing an Airplane cover ;) >> From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Feb 8 16:36:51 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 21:36:51 +0000 Subject: OFF: Pink Fairies (was: Re: HW97) Message-ID: On m?n 8 feb 1999 22.15 +0100 cosmos wrote: >>They do the same thing with the Airplane tune as they do with the live >>version of Uncle Sam, crank the guitar up and tear the song up into a >>higher hemisphere.IMO that is what it?s all about >>Juba > > now what's wrong with that !!!!! I think Juba's point was: nothing wrong with it at all! :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Mon Feb 8 17:00:45 1999 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:00:45 -0600 Subject: OFF: Progressive Rock e-zine needs help ! Message-ID: Hey everyone, I'm planning on launching a progrock e-zine in the coming months. Hopefully in March for the first issue. If anyone is interested in contributing material (reviews, features, interviews, etc.) let me know ! I'd appreciate any help :-) The site is already opened, although there's not much there yet. But for those interested, it's at : http://members.xoom.com/agarc/rip/ Cheers ! Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Feb 8 17:03:38 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:03:38 -0500 Subject: BOC: Griffin's Live 1976 vid Message-ID: Hi Folks... Apparently, liquidated Griffin stock from a few years back is still circulating around the county. Today I discovered a handful of VHS-NTSC videos of various groups, still sealed, each for $10. I got the Gong video for myself, but there was also a copy of BOC 1976 sitting there. [Also Gary Glitter if anyone's interested in that! :) Saxon also. Perhaps one or two more.] Anybody looking for this one?? I'll pick it up and send it to ya' at cost (i.e., ~$12, ~$14 overseas). Keith H. (FAA) ObCD: Bag - Bag of Fear From ERM7 at PGE.COM Mon Feb 8 17:27:44 1999 From: ERM7 at PGE.COM (Magnus, Eric) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:27:44 -0800 Subject: Griffin's Live 1976 vid Message-ID: Hi, I'd _love_ a VHS copy of Live '76! Thanks, Eric -- Eric Magnus * San Francisco, CA > ---------- > From: Keith Henderson[SMTP:henderson.120 at OSU.EDU] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: Monday, February 08, 1999 2:03 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: BOC: Griffin's Live 1976 vid > > Hi Folks... > > Apparently, liquidated Griffin stock from a few years back is still > circulating around the county. Today I discovered a handful of VHS-NTSC > videos of various groups, still sealed, each for $10. I got the Gong > video > for myself, but there was also a copy of BOC 1976 sitting there. [Also > Gary > Glitter if anyone's interested in that! :) Saxon also. Perhaps one or > two > more.] > > Anybody looking for this one?? I'll pick it up and send it to ya' at cost > (i.e., ~$12, ~$14 overseas). > > Keith H. (FAA) > > ObCD: Bag - Bag of Fear > From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Feb 8 17:37:17 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:37:17 -0500 Subject: Griffin's Live 1976 vid Message-ID: Eric said, >I'd _love_ a VHS copy of Live '76! > >Eric Magnus * San Francisco, CA OK, let's take it off-list, and send me your snail mail address, and I'll send you mine. Henderson.120 at osu.edu >> Apparently, liquidated Griffin stock from a few years back is still >> circulating around the county. Today I discovered a handful of VHS-NTSC >> videos of various groups, still sealed, each for $10. I got the Gong >> video for myself, but there was also a copy of BOC 1976 sitting there. >> [Also Gary Glitter if anyone's interested in that! :) Saxon also. >> Perhaps one or two more.] Oh yeah, Ian Gillan Live was there also...I've already got this one in fact. Keith H. (FAA) From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Mon Feb 8 18:44:42 1999 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:44:42 -0500 Subject: HW: Thumbs up for IYA Message-ID: I like it. I like it a whole friggin' lot. That's all. From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Mon Feb 8 18:52:32 1999 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:52:32 -0500 Subject: OFF: Bedouin dates Message-ID: So I guess Alan has written off the states, or he isn't doing well enough financially to swing it. Well, having recently seen a vid, I hope if I get the chance to see him again, he will have realized that he NEEDS a vocalist, or needs to eliminate vocals. And that he NEEDS to get rid of that phase shifter or flange or whatever he uses to cover up the music with that empty conch-shell noise. Oh, and a drummer with an imagination would be cool too. Just my opinion. It was a single vid, so I am hoping that it wasn't exemplary of what he is doing these days. Don't get me wrong, I am definitely PRO Alan. RJ -----Original Message----- From: Mark P Lee To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Monday, February 08, 1999 11:47 AM Subject: OFF: Bedouin dates >This popped up : > >andre > >More Alan Davey live dates as follows: Thursday 25th February The Albert, >Trafalgar >Street, Brighton >4th March Boat Race, East Road, Cambridge >5th March Hanover Hotel, Hanover St, Liverpool >6th March Victoria, Midland Place, Derby >11th March Alexanders Jazz Theatre, Rufus Court, Chester >13th March Adelphi Hotel, Fylde St, Preston (w/Harvey Bainbridge) >19th March Verdis, Maiden St, Weymouth >24th March Axiom, Cheltenham >26th Narch Old railway, Birmingham >27th March Harrogate Arms, Harrogate >1st April Limelight, Crewe >2nd April Transport club, Rochdale >9th April Albert, Brighton >10th April George 4th, Brixton >15th April TJ's Newport >16th April Axe and Cleaver, Boston, Lincs >17th April Studio, Hartlepool >Check with venue before going. The details of these dates are correct at >time of printing >(31-1-99). >Bedouin have NOT actually signed a new deal, I am informed, and a new >'proper' album is > >6th March, Derby, as posted earlier, definitely POSTPONED, AFAIK >it's now April 28th and the hint I got was that Al is moving all of these >dates back a bit. Maybe he wants to get a deal and then tour to >promote a 'proper' album (eh !). I got his info on Feb 3rd, will post >if I hear any different. > >Cheers, Mark. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Please reply to mark at esparto.demon.co.uk >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Mon Feb 8 19:36:33 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:36:33 -0600 Subject: HW Live "San Diego October 12, 1989" bootie Message-ID: Hello, "Oh Great Ones" of the BOC - HW discussion group, Sorry to interupt, but am I the only one who has a copy of this 1989 2CD boot on "Smashing Rocks"? Are there any other "Smashing Rocks" boots out there? P.S. Sound Quality = 9.5 out of 10. (surprising) They could make a Regular Release out of this one! (with the help of a little mixing adjustments, of course) Are there any other boots out there that are not found on my "Ultimate" Hawkwind Digital Media Discography? Please feel free to inform me of the CD's I'm missing from the Discography, that I am Ignorant of...(I'm ignorant of a lot of things, but I'm concentrating on HW first) Thanks, Hawkman. www.intplsrv.net/hawkman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Feb 8 21:04:52 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 02:04:52 +0000 Subject: OFF: Bedouin dates Message-ID: On m?n 8 feb 1999 18.52 -0500 sprawl wrote: > So I guess Alan has written off the states, or he isn't doing well enough > financially to swing it. No surprises there! He's got a band with no actual album which barely has recognition in the UK! Small miracle he's doing a second tour. Consider the trouble HW has getting a tour in the States--and they've a much bigger name than Bedouin. It is my great hope that Bedouin will do well enough to make it to the States sometime. Otherwise I'm unlikely to see them again (barring the miracle of a job in Europe!). My advice is: travel! See HW, Bedouin, or any of the Scandinavian space-rock bands no matter what you have to do. IMO, it's limited genre, it might disappear in (smoke) the void tomorrow. Hopefully not. But I feel lucky to have seen the gigs I've seen. If I'd been able to see the US Space Ritual tour in 73 (as opposed to simply being less than 12 months old ;) that would cap it ... but there's little more that could! > Well, having recently seen a vid, I hope if I get the chance to see him > again, he will have realized that he > NEEDS a vocalist, or needs to eliminate vocals. And that he NEEDS to get > rid of that phase shifter or flange or whatever he uses to cover up the > music with that empty conch-shell noise. Oh, and a drummer > with an imagination would be cool too. > Just my opinion. It was a single vid, so I am hoping that it wasn't > exemplary of what he is doing these days. Haven't seen any vids, so can't judge. True, Alan is not the greatest singer in the world, but I appreciate the trouble a small band has hiring extra members! Not sure about the noise your refer to: sounded awesome live--very clear, very loud. One really appreciates his bass playing live with Bedouin. I tried to keep track of what he was doing, but in the end can only say that he had changed the arrangements from the recorded versions to suit the three-piece better. Alan plays chords on the bass much faster than I can manage. Part of that is surely practice, since I don't get nearly the opporuntity to play that I would like, but I to some extent I have yet to find a fingering for bass power chords that I'm happy with. They seem either to have good sound, and be difficult to zip up and down the neck with, or have lamer sound and be easy to sweep up and down the neck with. Sigh. Always the way! Must try again to take a close look on this tour. Cheers, Carl ObCD: Bruce Dickinson, _The Chemical Wedding_ -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Mon Feb 8 21:12:09 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 21:12:09 -0500 Subject: HW: 1999 Party In-Reply-To: <1351214.3127476430@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> from "Carl Edlund Anderson" at Feb 8, 99 03:27:10 pm Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > > Yes, but there is a school of thought which suggests Dave > feels overly self-conscious about his guitar playing these days, > keeping himself low at gigs and also perhaps mixing it back in > 1999 Party? Not necessarily to reflect current sound, but > stemming from a cause which also shapes current sound. > > Unfortunate, if true, since Dave's guitar *rules* and more > or less *is* Hawkwind :) Carl, you said it. Dave's guitar sound is breath and the life of Hawkwind. Steve swann at plutonia.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Feb 8 21:35:31 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 02:35:31 +0000 Subject: HW: 1999 Party Message-ID: On m?n 8 feb 1999 21.12 -0500 "Stephen Swann" wrote: > Dave's guitar sound is breath and the life of > Hawkwind. And Hawkwind rises and falls with it. When Dave is raging like a bastard :) HW rules. When Dave rolls the guitar back, HW sucks (all IMO). I remember a guitar newsgroup poll of favorite guitarists where I unhesitatingly listed Brock among my very top guitarists because Dave's guitar playing complements the music *perfectly*, and such is the goal of guitar-playing, IMO. All the technical, fancy bollocks be damned. Brock *can* carry the band's sound even when not paired with a bassist like Lemmy or Alan (but is best when he's supported by able compadres!). :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Feb 9 01:16:57 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 01:16:57 EST Subject: OFF: Pink Fairies (was: Re: HW97) Message-ID: well gee, y'know.... what else COULD IT BE about...........................? From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Tue Feb 9 02:40:05 1999 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:40:05 +0200 Subject: HW:Bedoiun/PF Message-ID: Just discovered that the Tres Hombres live Bedoiun boot CD (LOne Wolf 009) was recorded at Boerdery, Zoetermeer, Holland Sept. 3rd, 1998. Just thought people would like to know.. I was not very fond of the quality and will probably sell my copy of the CD. My recording of the band from Hamburg is far superior to this recording... I listened to the Hawkwind cover of Interstellar OVerdrive last night and boy they really go off on it and the song barely has any traces of the original except in the beginning and the end.. Pretty cool.. Was it just me of did it seem like the Brock instrumental that follows was abruptly cut off right when it was getting going??? Is this a way to release the 2nd part later somewhere else? Overall, I think that this PF book with the CD should only be bought by die hards as the book is mostly filled with tons of details and is not really an interesting story and the the CD is only 11 minutes. SCott ObCD- Strobe- Alientation (UK 1997) R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Department of Developmental Biology Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 37 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Feb 9 04:42:23 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:42:23 +0000 Subject: HW: Thumbs up for IYA In-Reply-To: <002801be53bd$0563bf20$3ca48fcc@sprawl> Message-ID: In article <002801be53bd$0563bf20$3ca48fcc at sprawl>, sprawl writes >I like it. I like it a whole friggin' lot. That's all. That's-a what *I* said! -- Jon From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Feb 9 00:18:27 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 05:18:27 +0000 Subject: BOC: New BOC? Message-ID: > Clipped on-line: > > ---- > BLUE OYSTER CULT will contribute a new, > unreleased track to the Heavy Metal 2 soundtrack, which will be out in > July... BOC releasing new material in successive years?! HEAVEN FORBID! -- Nick From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Tue Feb 9 05:45:49 1999 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 21:45:49 +1100 Subject: HW: JAP for the JavaScript impaired Message-ID: Gidday again folks ... It seems that (at least) Netscape 3.0x for the Mac has problems with the Jorgen Angel pages, so for those of you running a Java impaired browser and are having difficulties viewing the photo's may do so from the following links. If you wish to purchase any prints, then the "Ordering" page will hopefully work for you: http://sonique.net/jap/order.html As soon as possible I'll be fixing the page to (hopefully) work in all 3.00+ browsers ... they do work successfully in the following however: Windows 95/98: IE 3.02, IE 4.01, NS 4.06 Mac: NS 4.0x (not all versions checked), NS 4.5 Anyway, here are the direct URL's to the photo's: http://sonique.net/jap/Hawkwind/HawkCol_08A.jpg http://sonique.net/jap/Hawkwind/HawkBWB_06.jpg http://sonique.net/jap/Hawkwind/HawkBWA_12A.jpg http://sonique.net/jap/Hawkwind/HawkCol_14A.jpg http://sonique.net/jap/Hawkwind/HawkCol_21A.jpg http://sonique.net/jap/Hawkwind/StaciaBWA_02A.jpg http://sonique.net/jap/Hawkwind/StaciaBWA_30A.jpg http://sonique.net/jap/Stacia/StaciaBWA_04A.jpg http://sonique.net/jap/Stacia/StaciaBWA_09A.jpg http://sonique.net/jap/Stacia/StaciaBWA_10A.jpg http://sonique.net/jap/Stacia/StaciaBWA_11A.jpg http://sonique.net/jap/Stacia/StaciaBWA_15A.jpg http://sonique.net/jap/Stacia/StaciaBWA_18A.jpg http://sonique.net/jap/Stacia/StaciaBWA_20A.jpg http://sonique.net/jap/Stacia/StaciaBWA_24A.jpg http://sonique.net/jap/Stacia/StaciaBWA-29A.jpg http://sonique.net/jap/Stacia/StaciaBWB_10A.jpg http://sonique.net/jap/Stacia/StaciaCol_04A.jpg http://sonique.net/jap/Stacia/StaciaCol_05A.jpg http://sonique.net/jap/Stacia/StaciaCol_06A.jpg http://sonique.net/jap/Stacia/StaciaCol_07A.jpg http://sonique.net/jap/Stacia/StaciaStrobo_03.jpg http://sonique.net/jap/Stacia/StaciaStrobo_07.jpg http://sonique.net/jap/Stacia/StaciaStrobo_09.jpg http://sonique.net/jap/Stacia/StaciaStrobo_10.jpg http://sonique.net/jap/Stacia/StaciaStrobo_11.jpg Soniqu? -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #14292706 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Tue Feb 9 06:02:15 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:02:15 +0900 Subject: HW: JAP for the JavaScript impaired Message-ID: Soniqu? wrote: > > > > If you wish to purchase any prints, then the "Ordering" page will hopefully > work for you: > > http://sonique.net/jap/order.html >I had to smile when I read that bit Dave PS Netscape 4.5 reads it all OK From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Feb 9 06:25:42 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:25:42 GMT Subject: OFF: Bedouin dates In-Reply-To: sprawl's message of Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:52:32 -0500 Message-ID: sprawl writes: > So I guess Alan has written off the states The States? Has he ever heard of Scotland? FoFP From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Feb 9 06:52:04 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 07:52:04 EDT Subject: HW: Bedouin In-Reply-To: <2476048.3127495129@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > From: Carl Edlund Anderson > wrote: > > Carl, any ideas about > > Nick's main axe? Looks like a Jazzmaster/Jaguar body shape, but > > apparently heavily modded... > > You know, I asked Nick about this at a gig a year or so back > (haven't seen them since :( ) and ... I'm damned if I remember! > Could it be a "Jagstang" kinda thing? > It wasn't a Jagstang. That's the Kurt Cobain model that's sort of a hybrid body shape. Maybe it's a Squier Jagmaster? I intend to get one of those next month: Jazzmaster body, Jaquar scale-length, 2 humbucking, standard whammy bridge. And doesn't cost an arm and a leg. I just figured Nick to be using an old relic. His looked like it had a lot of work done on it. Any idea what amps, effects etc Nick uses? Whatever it is, the guy sounds out of this world. Helluva bassist too--He's a HW alum, I understand... theo From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Tue Feb 9 07:55:30 1999 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (Michael R Godwin) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:55:30 +0000 Subject: BOC: A mention on the telly In-Reply-To: <36BF38E8.56C1C941@fairfield.karoo.co.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, Peter Greendale wrote: > Don't really know whether this counts........ but on the spoof Radio 1 > show 'Smashy and Nicey' (the names of the actors escape me but > everyone in the UK will recognise the DJs), one of the DJs has a Blue > Oyster Cult sew - on patch on his regulation issue silk jacket. The actors are Harry Enfield and Paul Whitehouse. Paul started as a scriptwriter for Harry in the 'Loadsamoney' days, then joined Harry's show, and subsequently became mega-successful in The Fast Show. - Mike Godwin From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Feb 9 08:23:50 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:23:50 -0000 Subject: BOC: A mention on the telly In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just in case it's not clear to anybody outside the UK, these mentions are not intended as a homage to BOC - quite the opposite, in fact. On _I'm Alan Partridge_, it was to show how horribly, desperately unhip Radio Norwich is; and Smashy and Nicey are grotesque parodies of old fart radio presenters who haven't been remotely fashionable since about 1973. Their favourite song is Bachman-Turner Overdrive's "You Ain't Seen Nothin' Yet". (That said, there was a Smashy and Nicey CD of their favourite records, which was actaulyl quite decent - "Reaper", "Silver Machine" - I think - and a few other classics.) Alan's own taste in music is very dodgy. In one episode, he tried to impress his secretary by singing along to a tape of Steeleye Span's "Gaudete" in his car ("this'll blow your socks off"), and another time he told the tale of his irresponsible youth when he went to see ELO at the Birmingham NEC ("come back, ELO, and play all night!"). It's a great show, by the way. A _Fawlty Towers_ for the nineties. - Andy ObCD: Godspeed You Black Emperor! - _F#A#_ mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Feb 9 09:22:48 1999 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:22:48 -0500 Subject: BOC: New BOC? Message-ID: > Clipped on-line: > > ---- > BLUE OYSTER CULT will contribute a new, > unreleased track to the Heavy Metal 2 soundtrack, which will be out in > July... I heard that this was mentioned on the internet metal station, HARDRADIO. No confirmation on AOL from the Oysterboys, but the monthly chat is tonight and I suspect that this will be discussed (I know *I'm* gonna bring it up). John From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Feb 9 09:41:14 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 09:41:14 EST Subject: HW:Bedoiun/PF Message-ID: seems like i'd be interested in the bedouin you taped yrself, scott....got 4 other man/cippolina tapes now; rehearsal-type stuff....would trade... >>>>>larry From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Feb 9 10:42:14 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:42:14 EST Subject: HAWKWIND/PHILLY....tower theater 4/5/74 Message-ID: okay, since you asked.... i'd gotten SPACE RITUAL around xmas '73; loved sides 1 & 3 but was bummed that so much of the previous lp had been duplicated....anyway, WMMR in philly ran spots for the hw show using "silver machine" , (which, heh heh, i never heard them otherwise play...) 'tweren't no way my 16 yr. old self was gonna miss that show>>> walked right in that night w/o trying to hide my trusty GE s***box recorder (this was back before boomboxes and walkmans, kiddies)... we had seats dead center, 6 to 10 rows back....MAN opened; hadnt been overly familiar w/them but they were cool (their set included "bananas"....three yrs later when i saw them open for todd/utopia i kept shouting "bananas!" until one of the band picked up an onstage banana and said "you mean like this?" but they didnt play it>) and finally, following the andy dunkley intro (wherein he said "for the next two hours..." but they played just over 90 mins)...the hawks appeared..or at least they APPEARED to have appeared; they were very hard to see all night long, awash in the veddy trippy light show...they began w/ "lord of light" (as they would for the next year or so) into a somewhat more developed "psych warlords/wind o' change" than what is heard on the "1999 party" cd, which was 15 days earlier....reason "psych warlords" sounds like it does on "1999 party" is because it was so new they hadnt really worked it out yet... twas a hell of a show; they probably could have gotten away with total rubbish considering how overwhelming the light show was....but an aspect of the show and that tour lost 25 years on (no pun intended) is that much of what they played was NEW>>>>the stuff which would appear on "mtn. grill" (which came out 6 mos. later) was UNKNOWN to me and everyone else who hadnt somehow memorized it on the one other occasion they might have heard it, when hw played philly in 11/73 (>>>>this is why i'm irritated by the canned applause on "1999 party">>>>i wouldnt be able to know just what i'd heard/taped that night until "mtn grill" came out...) they were very loud, and the tower theater didnt necessarily lend itself to one being able to determine just what was taking place (hard to believe perhaps but i was completely straight that night...) HIGHLIGHTS: "psych warlords/wind o'change"; "watcher"; a great "paradox" into "better believe it"....a very loud church- type organ showing up at the end of "master of the universe"....and NO ENCORE, a first for me at the time, and more than one person was bitching about that on the way out....so if you'd wondered why the "1999 party" cd didnt include an encore, there may not have been one... my original tape of that night was a scotch highlander c-120....the 'breaking up"/deterioration familiar to those of you who now have that show in yr collection was starting within a year, unfortunately; the tape sat in a box o' stuff until i let it out ca. '91....originally i made 9 copies from the "master", from which all of y'all's copies are descended....the first half hour is really good, in the context of other audience tapes (i let mine out after hearing how LOUSY some other HW aud tapes from that era were>>>>) i would meet/travel with/see hawkwind in NYC 17 years later, at the start of the '91 tour..... so ends "story hour" for today....time to go to work... ja ne! >>>>>>larry b From c.d.bates at SHU.AC.UK Tue Feb 9 11:36:07 1999 From: c.d.bates at SHU.AC.UK (chris bates) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:36:07 +0000 Subject: HW: Emperors New Clothes In-Reply-To: andy davis's message of "Thu, 4 Feb 1999 03:13:45 PST" Message-ID: andy davis writes: Hi Andy, > I thought that i would take the chance to voice my opinions: That's what we're here for! > I don't have any HF / PF "official" material, but had a couple of > pinkwind board tapes and a rather shaky video too! suffice it to say, > that they all were re-cycled as blank tapes! I've only seen PinkWind the once. I was drunk. They were top fun. Musically, though, I'll bet it was a pile of steaming rocking horse droppings. But then I often felt that about ICU so what do I know? > but I can't help thinking that the direction in which the mighty hawks > are moving is the same kind of "emperor's new clothes" deal. I don't I'd rather disagree here. HW change style _a lot_. Far more than just about any other band and it always used to work for me. Now I'm less convinced and it has something to do with the live experience. Back 10 or 15 years ago I'd go to HW gigs that were packed with drunk/stoned people out for a good time. Often that would be my first exposure to new songs - and in that context they always worked. Later listening to albums that live experience would affect how I listened to the songs. Now I go to HW gigs and the audiences are both sparse and static. Maybe it's an age thing but HW gigs just aren't as much fun. > I have only been exposed to the hawks since 1981, but I reminisce very > fondly of the 10-year-lasting Brock/Bainbridge/Llangton core, being > enhanced superbly by Mr. Davey, and with Nik adding a touch of fun for > a couple of years. Let's not forget Danny T. or Richard either. Even > with Huw gone, and Simon House augmenting the live sound, this was their > finest hour in a brilliant 15 year cycle. Well apart from Danny T who, frankly IMO couldn't play his way out of a wet paper bag, those HW line-ups were pretty darn talented. I know that Ginger Baker hated Harvey on bass, but his synth playing really worked. > seems too fragmented, just a collection of musical input from the > various different members in the band, any one style may be fine by > itself, but when loosly combined, the plot is lost. Good point. HW music surely comes out of improvisation. If it can't be improvised (or needs lots of chords :-) then it won't work as HW. > know that Hawkwind is a band that thrives on change, and to reminisce in > the past is fine for some of us, but the band has to develop, but let's > see it with it's Novadrive repaired and the mothership back on course!! Too right. Part of the difficulty that HW have is that their core audience of travellers/hippies/students is now fragmented. Without an audience they don't have any income so they have to adapt to find a new audience. Yet in adapting they lose the heart of their music which is improvised space-rock. -- Chris Bates Lecturer School of Computing and Management Sciences Sheffield Hallam University c.d.bates at shu.ac.uk From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Feb 9 12:22:47 1999 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:22:47 +0000 Subject: HW: Thumbs up for IYA In-Reply-To: <002801be53bd$0563bf20$3ca48fcc@sprawl> Message-ID: At 18:44 08/02/99 -0500, sprawl wrote: >I like it. I like it a whole friggin' lot. That's all. They can certainly keep that Jerry Richards. There's some excellent guitar work on this album. He really adds something to the live tracks. Dave. Languages Group Manager. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Feb 9 13:11:15 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:11:15 GMT Subject: HW: Emperors New Clothes In-Reply-To: chris bates's message of Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:36:07 +0000 Message-ID: chris bates writes: > always worked. Later listening to albums that live experience > would affect how I listened to the songs. > > Now I go to HW gigs and the audiences are both sparse and static. > Maybe it's an age thing but HW gigs just aren't as much fun. Not always the case. Went to a gig in London a year or so back that was mobbed and had a terrific time - there was another that was all seater and though I didn't really get into it (it doesn't feel right watching a rock gig sitting down!) others there were really impressed. And there have been a couple of other places like Leicester and Truro where the audience wasn't large but the show was totally compelling. But then I was also at a gig that was mobbed and was really not very good at all - I speak politely 8-( To some extent I think it depends on the venue - but also on the mood of the audience and on how the sets have developed during the tour. I've heard the same track at the beginning and end of a tour sound totally different and things that work one night don't always work as well the next - the recent live version of Sonic Attack is a good example of that. This is IMO why it's worth catching the Hawks more than once during a tour - if one of the gigs doesn't work for you then the next one probably will. I guess age might come into it as well - perhaps you get more critical of the details of *what* is being played rather than just listening but what I enjoy about Hawkwind live is that they don't just blast sound at you - they surround you with sound but there is always something else special and individual to listen for inside the background - and that for me is when it really works. I think they played some terrific live shows in the recent period between Space Bandits/Alien albums - but I'll admit that the last time I heard them live I found the first part of the show fairly slow - not sure why - although the later part really came alive. > Too right. Part of the difficulty that HW have is that their core > audience of travellers/hippies/students is now fragmented. Without > an audience they don't have any income so they have to adapt to > find a new audience. Yet in adapting they lose the heart of their > music which is improvised space-rock. I would personally say that some of the trance stuff they did during the height of the rave scene was phenomenal and gathered a whole new young generation of audience - the age range of the audience for a while was extraordinary. Not sure what it would be like today - it's been a long time between live shows and a year is a very long time in the music business! That's my view anyhow! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Feb 9 13:31:14 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:31:14 +0000 Subject: HW: JAP for the JavaScript impaired Message-ID: Durn it, J?rgen! There are a billion pictures of Stacia wubbling about but precious little of Hawkwind in performance. Where _were_ your priorities! :) (I think Stacia probably worked better in live performance than in still photos; rather terrifying except in the blurrier "strobo" shots :) > http://sonique.net/jap/Hawkwind/HawkBWB_06.jpg That's a superb group shot. If I had an income, I think I'd pretty much bite the bullet and order it. > http://sonique.net/jap/Hawkwind/StaciaBWA_02A.jpg > http://sonique.net/jap/Hawkwind/StaciaBWA_30A.jpg These are mysteriously labelled, being essentially pictures of Lemmy. Shockingly, *no*Rick* in the first shot! What is that bass he's playing? Sort of SGish shape but I can't tell. Stacia doesn't actually appear in the second photo at all (which features a quite wasted-looking Lemmy and what appears to be an unidentified grinning Danish lady). Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Feb 9 12:54:10 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:54:10 EDT Subject: HW: JAP for the JavaScript impaired In-Reply-To: <1780962.3127573874@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > From: Carl Edlund Anderson > > These are mysteriously labelled, being essentially > pictures of Lemmy. Shockingly, *no*Rick* in the first shot! > What is that bass he's playing? Sort of SGish shape but I can't > tell. Stacia doesn't actually appear in the second photo > at all (which features a quite wasted-looking Lemmy and > what appears to be an unidentified grinning Danish lady). > I was originally thinking Alembic, but I'm not sure of the date the pic was taken, and I can't really imagine Lemmy playing an Alembic. I'm thinking it could be an Acoustic Black Widow. For a brief time, the Acoustic Amp. company marketed a line of double-cut basses and gtrs that looked something like what's in the pic... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Feb 9 12:58:15 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:58:15 EDT Subject: HW: Emperors New Clothes In-Reply-To: <199902091811.SAA11666@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > From: J Strobridge > > Too right. Part of the difficulty that HW have is that their core > > audience of travellers/hippies/students is now fragmented. Without > > an audience they don't have any income so they have to adapt to > > find a new audience. Yet in adapting they lose the heart of their > > music which is improvised space-rock. > > I would personally say that some of the trance stuff they did during the > height of the rave scene was phenomenal and gathered a whole new young > generation of audience - the age range of the audience for a while was > extraordinary. Not sure what it would be like today - it's been a > long time between live shows and a year is a very long time in the music > business! > And we've made similar observations about BOC in the past as well. Most of the BOC backers on this list are youngsters, many of whom never even saw Al or Joe in the group. And at recent gigs, there are plenty of young'uns present, who are familiar with the HF material... theo From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Tue Feb 9 14:32:35 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:32:35 -0500 Subject: HW/BOC: Emperors New Clothes In-Reply-To: <1B517847AE4@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: At 01:58 PM 2/9/99 EDT, you wrote: >And we've made similar observations about BOC in the past as well. >Most of the BOC backers on this list are youngsters, many of whom >never even saw Al or Joe in the group. And at recent gigs, there are >plenty of young'uns present, who are familiar with the HF material... Yeah, but I bet that theyay to themselves "WOW! I can't believe theyre playing "ETI" /"Before the Kiss" !!" heh. I never understood why ETI has stuck so long in the setlists of the group. I can see before the kiss, because it gives everyone a chance to stretch out and give a good bass break which is always good. Being a semi-youngster myself, it is coooool to see Buck lash out with sonic oblivion on the 6 strings. But at the shows I have been to recently, the intensity that OYF reflects from them bygone days at is only hinted at now. The key I think was the commitment of everyone to do seomthing NEW early on, and Albert's drumming,Joe's bass, etc. refected that.... it was smooth heaviness, not the clunky 4/4 timekeeping kids think metal, and indeed rock drummery in general, is these days. To truly be kind to the fans they should not play DFtR,Godzilla, or BFY anymore. I think they should bring back Arthur Comics, given Bucks stronger vocals these days. and if they ever wanted to go acousti again, Im on the Lam would rock mightily. Ah well. At least thingsa like Flaming Telephaths, Lips in the hills have made it back into the gigs. Hope isnt completely lost yet:) by the way, did anyone on the list post a review of the David Roter Method video? I'm a'willing to take a crack at it should it be deemed a keen idea by the list. To be sad is a mad way to be, Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Feb 9 14:17:38 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 19:17:38 +0000 Subject: HW: Emperors New Clothes Message-ID: On tis 9 feb 1999 13.58 +0000 "Ted Jackson jr. s2h2" wrote: >> I would personally say that some of the trance stuff they did during the >> height of the rave scene was phenomenal and gathered a whole new young >> generation of audience - the age range of the audience for a while was >> extraordinary. Not sure what it would be like today - it's been a >> long time between live shows and a year is a very long time in the music >> business! >> > And we've made similar observations about BOC in the past as well. > Most of the BOC backers on this list are youngsters, many of whom > never even saw Al or Joe in the group. And at recent gigs, there are > plenty of young'uns present, who are familiar with the HF material... Not sure how young I count as anymore, but I never really knew about either BOC or HW until the beginning of this decade, and first saw BOC live in 1992 (I think) and Hawkwind in 1995. I think I've seen the Brain Surgeons at least as much (if not more!) than BOC! Naturally, everyone will disagree wildly on which HW-era they like best :) but so far they've popped back fairly strongly from whatever bad patch one picks. Time will tell if they keep it on. I find it ironic that they've steered away from the "hyperblanga pounding into oblivion" style which has been somewhat trendy in recent years. I suppose no one can accuse HW of "selling out"! Or would it be "a return to form" ...? I found myself musing on this last weekend as Cathedral (not a spacerock band by any means, but with acknowledged HW influence) started their set with swirling analogue swooshy noises that could have been straight off of _Space Ritual_ (the swooshes returned for a track that was more like space rock than the others, and at the end of set). No live swooshy noises from Orange Goblin, but there are some on record :) Terra Firma, BTW, were excellent. The singer was just recovering from laryngitis and it showed, but threw himself into it with gusto. The people I went to the gig with were extremely impressed. Monster Magnet are fairly drenched in HW influence, swooshy noises and all, and have top bloody 40 hits! When I watched them doing "Bummer" (which is a straight lift of the "Time We Left" riff, after all) at the London Astoria and the crowd was going nuts, I had to think "This *ought* to be Hawkwind! Why am I not seeing this and hearing this with Admiral Brock on stage?". Well, Hawkwind will plot their own course, that's one thing for sure! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Feb 9 14:26:21 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:26:21 EDT Subject: HW/BOC: Emperors New Clothes In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990209143235.0068fd70@mail1.wizvax.net> Message-ID: > From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision > At 01:58 PM 2/9/99 EDT, you wrote: > >And we've made similar observations about BOC in the past as well. > >Most of the BOC backers on this list are youngsters, many of whom > >never even saw Al or Joe in the group. And at recent gigs, there are > >plenty of young'uns present, who are familiar with the HF material... > Yeah, but I bet that theyay to themselves "WOW! I can't believe theyre > playing "ETI" /"Before the Kiss" !!" heh. I never understood why ETI has > stuck so long in the setlists of the group. I can see before the kiss, > because it gives everyone a chance to stretch out and give a good bass > break which is always good. Right! I've NEVER been a big fan of that song, and it amazes me how it's endured. I think it's one of the tunes the current band somehow 'owns,' reflected also by its inclusion on Cult Classic... > Being a semi-youngster myself, it is coooool to see Buck lash out with > sonic oblivion on the 6 strings. But at the shows I have been to recently, > the intensity that OYF reflects from them bygone days at is only hinted at > now. Yes and no. The furious abandon of the old days is something to hear, no denying that. But the quality of BD's gtr playing is way beyond what he did in the old days. Balanced against EB's less powerful voice of today vs. his old stage stalking menace and humor. So, the guitar player in me prefers current shows, but the BOC fan in me likes the old days. But above all, the Flaming Telepaths of today is about as good as BOC has ever been! theo From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Feb 9 15:35:06 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:35:06 -0500 Subject: was HW: Emperors, now Monster Magnet Message-ID: Carl spake thusly... > Monster Magnet are fairly drenched in HW influence, swooshy >noises and all, and have top bloody 40 hits! When I watched them >doing "Bummer" (which is a straight lift of the "Time We Left" >riff, after all) at the London Astoria and the crowd was going >nuts, I had to think "This *ought* to be Hawkwind! Why am I not >seeing this and hearing this with Admiral Brock on stage?". Yeah, it really seems like it might be a missed opportunity if true space rock bands, not only HW, but all the other American, Scandinavian, etc. bands can't suck in some of the audience primed on MM, Fu Manchu, and the like. Presonally, I think it's a better fit than the techno/electronic set (which seems to be their current m.o.), and now perhaps holds as much potential. I mean, I've seen Monster Magnet on the 'Friday Night' jukebox (something that usually sticks to Jewel, the Spice Girls...or Dave Matthews for 'rock'. Of course, it was soundly defeated, gathering something like 10% of the vote vs. two competitors. But then, teenage girls are probably the main demographic for that show.) And then, on Jan. 27th, Dave Wyndorf appeared on Politically Incorrect, which is a completely inane show IMHO (but quite popular), despite the fact that Bill Maher is quite humorous and often has interesting people on his show. (For those who are unfamiliar with this show, the premise is...get four people who are famous, usually 2 politicians or pundits (who regurgitate either conservative or liberal drivel incessantly) and 2 actors/musicians/models who blab on about things they know nothing about (and why should they?), and "discuss" socio-political topics in the news. It really makes me sick most of the time.) Anyway, the transcript is available at: http://abc.go.com/pi/forum/word_index.html click on (1/27) Anyway, I think it would be interesting to see what would happen if Hawkwind was part of one of these shed-style mega-rock tours of No. America (like Ozz-fest or whatever) at the invitation of Monster Magnet (as headliner or perhaps second billing). Yeah, of course, it wouldn't get me so thrilled to see them play a 40-minute set in daylight (hence no lights) in a Budweiser-sponsored Buffett Hut, but I'd just go to see what today's alterna-kids would say. You know, like, 'Man, those old geezers ripped off the Bummer riff!!' :) Keith H. (FAA) From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Tue Feb 9 15:52:26 1999 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:52:26 EST Subject: David Roter Method Video Message-ID: In a message dated 02/09/99 1:18:23 PM Central Standard Time, js3619 at WIZVAX.NET writes: << by the way, did anyone on the list post a review of the David Roter Method video? I'm a'willing to take a crack at it should it be deemed a keen idea by the list. >> I picked it up 6 months ago. Enjoyable. More semi-pro than pro. Sound and camera work aren't the greatest. And the edits are kinda rough. However, having said all the above, it's worth it. David is a hoot! The tunes are great. And the drummer looks familiar somehow... Highly recommended! Ric From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Feb 9 15:53:40 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:53:40 -0800 Subject: HW: JAP for the JavaScript impaired Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:54:10 EDT, "Ted Jackson jr. s2h2" wrote: > From: Carl Edlund Anderson > >> These are mysteriously labelled, being essentially >> pictures of Lemmy. Shockingly, *no*Rick* in the first shot! >> What is that bass he's playing? Sort of SGish shape but I can't >> tell. Stacia doesn't actually appear in the second photo >> at all (which features a quite wasted-looking Lemmy and >> what appears to be an unidentified grinning Danish lady). >> >I was originally thinking Alembic, but I'm not sure of the date the >pic was taken, and I can't really imagine Lemmy playing an Alembic. Is that DikMik in the picture? It would have to be no later than 1973, then. >I'm thinking it could be an Acoustic Black Widow. For a brief time, >the Acoustic Amp. company marketed a line of double-cut basses and >gtrs that looked something like what's in the pic... ... and it looks to me like a short-scale bass (as were the Gibson SG-shaped ones - were those EB3's?, but it's not quite the right shape, I don't think). Some Alembics were short-scale, too, weren't they? Although again, I can't imagine Lemmy playing one (but I can barely imagine him playing anything other than a Ric 4001/4003). -Doug ceres at sirius.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Feb 9 16:09:00 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:09:00 -0800 Subject: was HW: Emperors, now Monster Magnet Message-ID: In March or April, Monster Magnet are opening for Marilyn Manson and Hole in San Francisco (no sh*t!!). Never would have dreamed *that* back when I wrote the band about how much I liked their first 7" and if they could please send me a tape of their legendary "Brainstorm" cover ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com On Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:35:06 -0500, Keith Henderson said: >Carl spake thusly... >> Monster Magnet are fairly drenched in HW influence, swooshy >>noises and all, and have top bloody 40 hits! When I watched them >>doing "Bummer" (which is a straight lift of the "Time We Left" >>riff, after all) at the London Astoria and the crowd was going >>nuts, I had to think "This *ought* to be Hawkwind! Why am I not >>seeing this and hearing this with Admiral Brock on stage?". > >Yeah, it really seems like it might be a missed opportunity if true space >rock bands, not only HW, but all the other American, Scandinavian, etc. >bands can't suck in some of the audience primed on MM, Fu Manchu, and thelike... From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Feb 9 16:28:33 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:28:33 -0500 Subject: was HW: Emperors, now Monster Magnet Message-ID: Doug mentions... >In March or April, Monster Magnet are opening for Marilyn Manson and Hole >in San Francisco (no sh*t!!). Never would have dreamed *that* back when I >wrote the band about how much I liked their first 7" and if they could >please send me a tape of their legendary "Brainstorm" cover ... You mean, never dream that they'd get *up* to the level of opening for internationally-known artists, pathetic though they be?? I bought Superjudge when it was just out, so I only caught on right before the numbers starting climbing big-time, so it's not so surprising to me. I dunno, it seems unbelievable to me that either Marilyn Manson (can't use abbr.!!) or Hole are any more popular right now than Monster Magnet. Well, I've never heard Manson, though I've seen the fruitcake on TV. And I didn't think Hole had any real talent? But then, I only remember hearing one song of theirs. And what the hell is Wyndorf doing touring with crap bands like that anyhoo?? Of course, I saw them with some miserable piece of crap called Korn or something...god, was *that* awful!! Made it through only two songs I think. They should have hooked onto the Sabbath tour (though the rescheduling would have probably screwed things up for MM) instead of, who is it?? Pantera or something? Well, I'll find out in two weeks. Keith H. (FAA) From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Feb 9 16:43:34 1999 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:43:34 -0500 Subject: HW/BOC: Emperors New Clothes Message-ID: >Right! I've NEVER been a big fan of that song, and it amazes me how it's endured. (ETI) Well, I've heard it so much now that I do tire of it, but when I first got into BOC, I did think it was one of the coolest songs. It's got a great riff, and lyrically it encompasses the mystique of BOC. Live, the ending part has always rocked. But, I'd give it up to hear "7 Screaming Dizbusters" or "Subhuman" live in a heartbeat. >Yes and no. The furious abandon of the old days is something to hear, no denying that. But the quality of BD's gtr playing is way beyond what he did in the old days. Balanced against EB's less powerful voice of today vs. his old stage stalking menace and humor. So, the guitar player in me prefers current shows, but the BOC fan in me likes the old days. But above all, the Flaming Telepaths of today is about as good as BOC has ever been! Agreed! John From Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG Tue Feb 9 16:54:47 1999 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG (Olivier Boigey) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 23:54:47 +0200 Subject: HW: Emperors New Clothes In-Reply-To: <1948215.3127576658@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: In message ID <1948215.3127576658 at cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> on 9/02/99, BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List wrote: BDL> Monster Magnet are fairly drenched in HW influence, swooshy BDL> noises and all, and have top bloody 40 hits! When I watched them BDL> doing "Bummer" (which is a straight lift of the "Time We Left" BDL> riff, after all) at the London Astoria and the crowd was going BDL> nuts, I had to think "This *ought* to be Hawkwind! Why am I not BDL> seeing this and hearing this with Admiral Brock on stage?". and even Kula Shaker (a *new* band for me) end their sets with HW covers! Olivier _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ mailto: olivier_boigey at technolink.org _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Feb 9 17:42:11 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:42:11 +0000 Subject: HW/BOC: Emperors New Clothes Message-ID: On tis 9 feb 1999 15.26 +0000 "Ted Jackson jr. s2h2" wrote: >> I never understood why ETI has >> stuck so long in the setlists of the group. > > Right! I've NEVER been a big fan of that song, and it amazes me how > it's endured. Gee, I really like ETI! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Feb 9 17:45:57 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:45:57 +0000 Subject: HW: non-Ric Lemmy bass (was JAP for the JavaScript impaired) Message-ID: On tis 9 feb 1999 12.53 -0800 "Doug Pearson" wrote: >>I was originally thinking Alembic, but I'm not sure of the date the >>pic was taken, and I can't really imagine Lemmy playing an Alembic. > > Is that DikMik in the picture? It would have to be no later than 1973, then. It was my understanding that all the J?rgen Angel pictures were from 73. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Tue Feb 9 17:58:43 1999 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:58:43 -0600 Subject: [Fwd: Introduction to BOC-L (BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List)] Message-ID: Someone asked about a few administrative things . . . Here's the info we all should have kept about subscribing/unsubscribing and turning the digest mode on and off. Going into digest mode myself since there have been so many messages. Hope this helps! -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "L-Soft list server at St. Peter's College, US (1.8b)" Subject: Introduction to BOC-L (BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 01:14:10 -0400 Size: 5747 URL: From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Feb 9 19:03:47 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:03:47 -0000 Subject: was HW: Emperors, now Monster Magnet In-Reply-To: <199902092137.QAA13776@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: > I dunno, it seems unbelievable to me that either Marilyn Manson (can't use > abbr.!!) or Hole are any more popular right now than Monster > Magnet. Well, > I've never heard Manson, though I've seen the fruitcake on TV. > And I didn't > think Hole had any real talent? No! Nobody actually *likes* Hole! There are no Hole fans! They're famous - *she's* famous - for being famous. That's it! Manson is just the parent-scarer _du jour_ (although I liked him in _Lost Highway_). I was in Selectadisc today and they were playing Calexico's _The Black Light_ *really* loud! Now that's my idea of a record store! Scored the "new" Roky Erickson, too, but haven't played it yet. Got in pissed and put Godspeed You Black Emperor on instead. See you all late tomorrow morning - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Tue Feb 9 19:12:11 1999 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 19:12:11 -0500 Subject: OFF: Bedouin dates Message-ID: You mean he hasn't played there?! He seems to like Germany alot... -----Original Message----- From: M Holmes To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 6:43 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Bedouin dates >sprawl writes: > >> So I guess Alan has written off the states > >The States? Has he ever heard of Scotland? > >FoFP From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Feb 9 20:28:21 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 01:28:21 +0000 Subject: HW/BOC: Emperors New Clothes In-Reply-To: <580572.3127588931@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: >>> I never understood why ETI has >>> stuck so long in the setlists of the group. >> >> Right! I've NEVER been a big fan of that song, and it amazes me how >> it's endured. > > Gee, I really like ETI! :) phew! i'm glad someone else said that, i picked up agents of fortune a couple of weeks ago (for 75p along w/ led zep IV and blind faith for the same price 8-)) and to be honest ETI was the only track on there that would have me scurrying back to listen again. anyways, a question: what boc stuff would people recommend to a fan of (all periods) hawks? cheers andrew From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Feb 9 20:34:25 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 01:34:25 +0000 Subject: was HW: Emperors, now Monster Magnet In-Reply-To: <000b01be5488$d49b8540$763f63c3@default> Message-ID: what are Monster Magnet like these days? i ve got superjudge which i think is okay and tab 25 which i think is just _so_ fuckin cool, but have no idea what else they've done.. >No! Nobody actually *likes* Hole! There are no Hole fans! They're >famous - *she's* famous - for being famous. That's it! > there's a track on the sympathy for the record industry comp which is okay in a 90s US punk kinda way (but no i wouldnt say i actually liked it) >"new" Roky Erickson, too, but haven't played it yet. Got in pissed and put Woooaaaaahhhh, exactly _what_ '"new" roky erickson'? andrew ObLP: Keynsham - The Bonzo Dog Band andrew andrew at deluminate.freeserve.co.uk From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Feb 9 20:45:41 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:45:41 -0500 Subject: was HW: Emperors, now Monster Magnet Message-ID: Andrew asked... >>"new" Roky Erickson, too, but haven't played it yet. Got in pissed and > >Woooaaaaahhhh, exactly _what_ '"new" roky erickson'? Oh, I've heard about this...I think it's just some old demo tapes that his mum found in the attic or something. Just Roky on ac. gtr. and vocals. I think the recording quality is poor. But let's wait and hear from the folks who've actually got a copy. Keith H. (FAA) ObCD: Hawk-U.S. #7 - Strange Daze '98 From bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Feb 9 21:18:47 1999 From: bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:18:47 PST Subject: HW/BOC: Emperors New Clothes Message-ID: andrew asked: >what boc stuff >would people recommend to a fan of (all periods) hawks? Well, I went from BOC to HW, but I'll take a shot at the reverse scenerio. I'd recommend Tyranny and Mutation for its bizarre punk/lo-fi jazzrock feel. Then Fire of Unknown Origin for it's HWindy synths and Moorcock connection (Veteran of the Psychic Wars). Finally Club Ninja, not because it's a great (or even good) album, but because it has a lot of blurps and bleeps and tweety synth fills. I don't think it's a worse album than, say, Choose Your Masques. ;-) Of course, the most hearalded BOC albums are probably Secret Treaties and Imaginos. They're worth a listen as well. As far as Agents of Fortune goes, I'm not an ETI fan (anymore). Vera Gemini is the hidden gem of the album. Reaper is probably the best song overall, but I think people pass over it because it's so overplayed on classic rock radio. Brian ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From corwyn at GLOBAL2000.NET Tue Feb 9 23:21:37 1999 From: corwyn at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 23:21:37 -0500 Subject: HW/BOC: Emperors New Clothes Message-ID: andrew wrote: > anyways, a question: what boc stuff would people recommend to a fan of (all > periods) hawks? > Having had the advantage of being a fan of both bands independently (and being totally thrilled to see them together in one discussion group) I would HEARTLY recommend the first three BOC albums to a Hawkfan. Other arguments for their middle to late years are good that have been posted here but I thing the raw talent in the first three albums will appeal to fans of any or all eras of Hawkwind. IMHO of course Mike OBtape: Cologne Live music hall 11/13/94 (thanks BP!!) From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Feb 9 23:27:25 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 23:27:25 -0500 Subject: was HW: Emperors, now Monster Magnet In-Reply-To: <199902092137.QAA13776@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Keith Henderson wrote: => of theirs. And what the hell is Wyndorf doing touring with crap bands like => that [[Marilyn Manson and Hole]] anyhoo?? Exposure, plain and simple! If they tour with big name acts, they can potentially turn more people onto Monster Magnet. And it's not like they're going to be outclassed by the other two acts now, is it? ;-) Cheers, Paul. NP: Queens of the Stone Age, _S/T_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Tue Feb 9 23:51:05 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:51:05 -0600 Subject: BOC: A mention on the telly Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: > > Just in case it's not clear to anybody outside the UK, these mentions are > not intended as a homage to BOC - quite the opposite, in fact. On _I'm Alan > Partridge_, it was to show how horribly, desperately unhip Radio Norwich is; > and Smashy and Nicey are grotesque parodies of old fart radio presenters who > haven't been remotely fashionable since about 1973. Their favourite song is > Bachman-Turner Overdrive's "You Ain't Seen Nothin' Yet". (That said, there > was a Smashy and Nicey CD of their favourite records, which was actaulyl > quite decent - "Reaper", "Silver Machine" - I think - and a few other > classics.) > > Alan's own taste in music is very dodgy. In one episode, he tried to > impress his secretary by singing along to a tape of Steeleye Span's > "Gaudete" in his car ("this'll blow your socks off"), and another time he > told the tale of his irresponsible youth when he went to see ELO at the > Birmingham NEC ("come back, ELO, and play all night!"). > > It's a great show, by the way. A _Fawlty Towers_ for the nineties. > > - Andy > > ObCD: Godspeed You Black Emperor! - _F#A#_ > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham What we need is a few DJ's like that were I'm from, might actually start listening to the radio, sound like a good program. Laj. From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Feb 10 01:26:23 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 01:26:23 EST Subject: HW/BOC: Emperors New Clothes Message-ID: i tell ya though....first time i heard "don't fear the reaper" in '76, i literally got chills.... From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Feb 9 18:56:14 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 23:56:14 +0000 Subject: was HW: Emperors, now Monster Magnet Message-ID: On tis 9 feb 1999 "Keith Henderson" wrote: > Carl spake thusly... >> Monster Magnet are fairly drenched in HW influence, swooshy >>noises and all, and have top bloody 40 hits! When I watched them >>doing "Bummer" (which is a straight lift of the "Time We Left" >>riff, after all) at the London Astoria and the crowd was going >>nuts, I had to think "This *ought* to be Hawkwind! Why am I not >>seeing this and hearing this with Admiral Brock on stage?". > > Yeah, it really seems like it might be a missed opportunity if true space > rock bands, not only HW, but all the other American, Scandinavian, etc. > bands can't suck in some of the audience primed on MM, Fu Manchu, and the > like. Presonally, I think it's a better fit than the techno/electronic set > (which seems to be their current m.o.), and now perhaps holds as much > potential. This is definitely my feeling. Without wishing to invoke the dreaded words "selling out", I think there's a bandwaggon that space-rockers can latch onto here--and presumbably they *do* want to sell records. People dig bands like Monster Magnet and Kyuss, and space-rock is not far from that vibe if it's effectively different at all! I know the analogy works to a certain extent, cause there are all kinds of students in the local rock society who are into MM, Fu Manchu, Kyuss, all that. They already _know_ about Sabbath (who cunningly reformed to reap the rewards of their new trendiness), but not about Hawkwind. But when I said, "If you like that, then you gotta hear _this_" and lo! copies of HW albums were bought! Most recently I ran into someone at the local rock club who was very into Monster Magnet and had heard Hawkwind had been an influence on MM, but didn't know any HW. I immediately encouraged exploration! I've got a bunch of students keen to see Bedouin :) And I must evangelize the modern space-rock bands as well. In Space We Trust! > Anyway, I think it would be interesting to see what would happen if Hawkwind > was part of one of these shed-style mega-rock tours of No. America (like > Ozz-fest or whatever) at the invitation of Monster Magnet (as headliner or > perhaps second billing). Yeah, of course, it wouldn't get me so thrilled to > see them play a 40-minute set in daylight (hence no lights) in a > Budweiser-sponsored Buffett Hut, but I'd just go to see what today's > alterna-kids would say. You know, like, 'Man, those old geezers ripped off > the Bummer riff!!' :) ;) > They [MM] should have hooked onto the Sabbath tour (though the > rescheduling would have probably screwed things up for MM) instead of, who > is it?? Pantera or something? Well, I'll find out in two weeks. Pantera, yes. A name familiar to younger metal fans today, though I'm not much into them. I like side project Pantera's singer (Phil Anselmo) has with Pepper Keenan and various other doomsters called "Down" much better. Their one (so far) album _Nola_ is a marvelous slab of Sabbathy blues-rock crossed with 90s metal and a tinge of southern rock. The "Bury Me in Smoke" track has a truly epic riff much acclaimed in the modern "heavy groove rock" scene. But, anyway, yes--I think spacerock will get more attention as a spacey adjunct of "heavy groove rock" (a term I like better than "stoner rock" or "doom metal") than as a rocky adjunct of the ambient-techno-whatever scene. I can't see dance music fans getting excited about what space-rock dopes best (i.e. pounding into oblivion :) but I can see "heavy groove rock" fans getting into the psychedelic aspects of space-rock: well, shoot, I've seen them do it! But I'm also biased because though I like spacey floaty synths, I like "wall of hot butterscotch" guitars even better :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Feb 10 03:51:19 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:51:19 +0000 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet Message-ID: On ons 10 feb 1999 01.34 +0000 andrew wrote: > what are Monster Magnet like these days? i ve got superjudge which i think > is okay and tab 25 which i think is just _so_ fuckin cool, but have no idea > what else they've done.. The follow-ups to _Superjudge_ are _Dopes to Infinity_ and last years _Powertrip_. The production has become increasingly slick in Wyndorf's (entirely successful) attempt to give the band broader appeal. Opinions vary (I like the new stuff, plenty of others don't) but long sprawling sludgefests like "25 ... Tab" you definitely won't find! Wyndorf seems to be zooming off (or perhaps further) into some kind of rock-star ego-land, though, and it's unclear whether the band will survive that. _Powertrip_ has certainly garnered record sales and popular accalim though. I was stunned to hear _Metal Hammer_ magazine (UK) had made it their album of the year. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Feb 9 20:00:44 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 01:00:44 GMT Subject: OFF: Bedouin dates In-Reply-To: sprawl's message of Tue, 9 Feb 1999 19:12:11 -0500 Message-ID: sprawl writes: > You mean he hasn't played there?! > He seems to like Germany alot... Scotland is pretty much considered to be the fadeout bit at the far end of the universe as far as touring goes - I suspect they fear they are going to run out of road or fall off the end of the country or something. They'll happily play places like West Hartlepool or Boston Lincolnshire which are so remotely inaccessible that you need five days travelling by public transport but won't even go to Glasgow which is reasonably accessible for a fairly large chunk of Scotland and is at least on a main railway line! Hartlepool is going to be the closest to Scotland and is being played over a holiday weekend for us so it might be a possibility *if* it goes ahead (Hawkwind cancelled Redcar because of lack of interest and it's not that far away) but I think I'll aim for Cheltenham with the option of catching one of the others if things start resembling pears. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Feb 10 04:40:03 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:40:03 +0000 Subject: HW/BOC: Emperors New Clothes Message-ID: On ons 10 feb 1999 01.28 +0000 andrew wrote: > i picked up agents of fortune a > couple of weeks ago (for 75p along w/ led zep IV and blind faith for the > same price 8-)) and to be honest ETI was the only track on there that would > have me scurrying back to listen again. Not "This Ain't the Summer of Love" also? I like that track :) > anyways, a question: what boc stuff > would people recommend to a fan of (all periods) hawks? The first three, particularly _Secret Treaties_. _Imaginos_. _Fire of Unknown Origin_. Actually, _Workshop of the Telescopes_ (compilation) plus _Imaginos_ are a good into. _WoT_ *criminally* includes no _Imaginos_ tracks. (I can guess why ;) but _Imaginos_ rules so much that it's still criminal :) I like "Lovecraftian" concept alubms :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Feb 10 04:40:59 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:40:59 +0000 Subject: HW: Emperors New Clothes Message-ID: > > > > always worked. Later listening to albums that live experience > > would affect how I listened to the songs. > > > > Now I go to HW gigs and the audiences are both sparse and static. > > Maybe it's an age thing but HW gigs just aren't as much fun. > > Not always the case. Went to a gig in London a year or so back that > was mobbed and had a terrific time - there was another that was all > seater and though I didn't really get into it (it doesn't feel right > watching a rock gig sitting down!) others there were really impressed. > And there have been a couple of other places like Leicester and Truro > where the audience wasn't large but the show was totally compelling. > But then I was also at a gig that was mobbed and was really not very > good at all - I speak politely 8-( > > - And Coney Island High in 1997 was mental..! Cheers, Rich. ** Nik Turner's mum invented the microwave oven ** From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Feb 10 04:47:05 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:47:05 +0000 Subject: HW: Emperors New Clothes Message-ID: On ons 10 feb 1999 09.40 +0000 "Rich Lockwood" wrote: > And Coney Island High in 1997 was mental..! But the sound was *hideous*! The guy at the mixing desk should have been taken away and shot (he damn near got in a fist fight with some irate bloke at one point!). Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Feb 10 05:09:54 1999 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:09:54 +0000 Subject: HW: Emperors New Clothes In-Reply-To: <3639537662.225471185@technolink.org> Message-ID: At 23:54 09/02/99 +0200, Olivier Boigey wrote: >and even Kula Shaker (a *new* band for me) end their sets with HW covers! Actually, it would be cool if HW themselves resurrected "Hurry On Sundown". Dave. Languages Group Manager. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Feb 10 05:03:02 1999 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 05:03:02 -0500 Subject: HW: Emperors New Clothes Message-ID: That was no irate bloke, that was Jim Lascko, who arranged the tour. The house sound person and HW spent hours getting the sound perfect, and the "other guy," who I won't embarrass by naming, came in and screwed it all up. -----Original Message----- From: Carl Edlund Anderson To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 5:03 AM Subject: Re: HW: Emperors New Clothes >On ons 10 feb 1999 09.40 +0000 "Rich Lockwood" wrote: > >> And Coney Island High in 1997 was mental..! > > But the sound was *hideous*! The guy at the mixing desk >should have been taken away and shot (he damn near got in a fist >fight with some irate bloke at one point!). > >Cheers, >Carl > >-- >Carl Edlund Anderson >Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic >St. John's College, University of Cambridge >mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk >http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Feb 10 05:11:24 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:11:24 -0000 Subject: was HW: Emperors, now Monster Magnet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Woooaaaaahhhh, exactly _what_ '"new" roky erickson'? > > andrew It' called "Never Say Goodbye"; it says on the sticker on the front: Lo fidelity field recordings of never before heard songs, mostly from 1971 and 1974. All proveeds benefit the Roky Erickson Trust. I'll let you know what it's like! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Feb 10 06:57:03 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:57:03 +0000 Subject: was HW: Emperors, now Monster Magnet In-Reply-To: <000301be54dd$b6e1a7a0$743f63c3@default> Message-ID: >It' called "Never Say Goodbye"; it says on the sticker on the front: > >Lo fidelity field recordings of never before heard songs, mostly from 1971 >and 1974. All proveeds benefit the Roky Erickson Trust. > >I'll let you know what it's like! yeah, please do; after yr ground rattling news i went looking around the various cd*.coms out there and found that it had bill miller on so there should be electric autoharp action a-plenty :-) i also found references to something called 'demon angel' which is due out on march 9th but no further details. "This song, Ping pong" - Thee Headcoats From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Feb 10 07:02:32 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:02:32 +0000 Subject: HW/BOC: Emperors New Clothes In-Reply-To: <238852.3127628403@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: >> have me scurrying back to listen again. > > Not "This Ain't the Summer of Love" also? I like that track :) oh don't get me wrong, i can listen to the rest, but when i said listen again to eti i meant in the jumping around w/my air guitar and air mike sense. 8-) Okay i have to say thanks to people for their various tip-offs; i t looks like the first three shall be hunted down and scarfled on sight and see how we go from there. Although i should really have guessed that just about everything would have been recommended 8-) andrew "This song, Ping pong" - Thee Headcoats From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Feb 10 07:27:26 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:27:26 -0000 Subject: OFF: Roky, was HW: Emperors, now Monster Magnet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > >It' called "Never Say Goodbye"; it says on the sticker on the front: > > > >Lo fidelity field recordings of never before heard songs, mostly > from 1971 > >and 1974. All proveeds benefit the Roky Erickson Trust. > > > >I'll let you know what it's like! OK, I've heard it now - having been warned about "lo fi", it's not as rough a recording as all that - pity it's not a bit cleaner, but nothing's perfect eh. It's mostly solo acoustic - if you've got The Holiday Inn Tapes, you know roughly the sort of thing you're in for. Some tracks were recorded in hospital, some at home, some live for radio, so the fidelity varies. The inner notes say, "we thought a long time about whether to make them available, but ultimately we thought their beauty outshined their modest fidelity." Which is about right. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 10 06:35:16 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:35:16 EDT Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet In-Reply-To: <63018.3127625479@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > From: Carl Edlund Anderson > On ons 10 feb 1999 01.34 +0000 andrew > wrote: > > what are Monster Magnet like these days? i ve got superjudge which i think > > is okay and tab 25 which i think is just _so_ fuckin cool, but have no > idea > > what else they've done.. > > The follow-ups to _Superjudge_ are _Dopes to Infinity_ and last > years _Powertrip_. The production has become increasingly slick in > Wyndorf's (entirely successful) attempt to give the band broader > appeal. Opinions vary (I like the new stuff, plenty of others > don't) but long sprawling sludgefests like "25 ... Tab" you definitely > won't find! Wyndorf seems to be zooming off (or perhaps further) into > some kind of rock-star ego-land, though, and it's unclear whether the > band will survive that. > > _Powertrip_ has certainly garnered record sales and popular > accalim though. I was stunned to hear _Metal Hammer_ magazine > (UK) had made it their album of the year. > Powertrip is the only MM disc I have, but I really like it! Crop Cirlce is a great tune. Since I'm not a HW fan, I can't say if MM would appeal, but it certainly strikes a chord with the BOC fan in me. REgarding Wyndof's ego, the Guitar World feature last month talks a lot about how the band was almost starving, with everyone but Wyndorf having to work day jobs to get by. DAve made it clear that Powertrip was a calculated effort to achieve some commercial success, but he was definitely going for the rock star trip at the same time. It's a great article, BTW... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 10 06:40:05 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:40:05 EDT Subject: was HW: Emperors, now Monster Magnet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Paul Mather > On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Keith Henderson wrote: > > => of theirs. And what the hell is Wyndorf doing touring with crap bands like > => that [[Marilyn Manson and Hole]] anyhoo?? > > Exposure, plain and simple! If they tour with big name acts, they can > potentially turn more people onto Monster Magnet. And it's not like > they're going to be outclassed by the other two acts now, is it? ;-) > Yep! Though a couple months ago, MM was touring with Rob Zombie. Damn, I wish I'd seen that one... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 10 07:03:04 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:03:04 EDT Subject: HW: JAP for the JavaScript impaired In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990209125340.0084d100@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: > From: Doug Pearson > > ... and it looks to me like a short-scale bass (as were the Gibson > SG-shaped ones - were those EB3's?, but it's not quite the right shape, I > don't think). Some Alembics were short-scale, too, weren't they? Although > again, I can't imagine Lemmy playing one (but I can barely imagine him > playing anything other than a Ric 4001/4003). I don't know a lot about Alembics [though I do know that one J. Bouchard used to play one in a certain rock band for a while] but since they're essentially custom-made instruments, getting a short-scale model shouldn't be a problem. Gibson had both short and normal scale SG-shaped basses. Short scale was pretty much standard for Gibson. The long scale models were identified by the letter 'L,' such as EB3-L, or EBO-L. Pretty sure Jack Bruce used a shorty in Cream...Ade Shaw played a Gibson when I saw him in Bevis Frond, not sure if it was long or short... theo From MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Feb 10 08:22:09 1999 From: MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark P Lee) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:22:09 +0000 Subject: OFF: Scotland Message-ID: Scotland is pretty much considered to be the fadeout bit at the far end of the universe as far as touring goes - I suspect they fear they are going to run out of road or fall off the end of the country or . . . jill If they did that they'd end up in Orkney ??? (Mamma, I'm comin' home !!) I'm in Derby and I have to agree with Jills comment here, even bands from around here don't seem to travel much beyond Mancehester/Liverpool. Most of the 'southern' based, i.e Brighton etc bands don't seem to want to go any further than Derby/Notts, I put it all down to "Watford Gap Syndrome", which can be explained if you watch the tour driver as he progresses up the M1 or M6, he gets to turnoff and spins round exclaiming things like, where is this provincial backwater we're headed for...... Mark. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please reply to mark at esparto.demon.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From JOHNANDBEVBONO at WORLDNET.ATT.NET Thu Feb 11 09:17:58 1999 From: JOHNANDBEVBONO at WORLDNET.ATT.NET (JOHN BONO) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:17:58 -0500 Subject: HW/BOC: Emperors New Clothes Message-ID: You must be joking- one of the best BOC songs from one of the best BOC albums - the others being the first and FoUO-(IMHO)- Harley John -----Original Message----- From: andrew To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 8:33 PM Subject: Re: HW/BOC: Emperors New Clothes >>>> I never understood why ETI has >>>> stuck so long in the setlists of the group. >>> >>> Right! I've NEVER been a big fan of that song, and it amazes me how >>> it's endured. >> >> Gee, I really like ETI! :) > >phew! i'm glad someone else said that, i picked up agents of fortune a >couple of weeks ago (for 75p along w/ led zep IV and blind faith for the >same price 8-)) and to be honest ETI was the only track on there that would >have me scurrying back to listen again. anyways, a question: what boc stuff >would people recommend to a fan of (all periods) hawks? > >cheers > >andrew From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Feb 10 09:51:21 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:51:21 EST Subject: was HW: Emperors, now Monster Magnet Message-ID: yeah....when i made my re-entry into the hawkwind "sphere of influence" in '91, things were on a different scale than they have become....hw seemed more, typically, "obscure" then....there werent all these remotely 'spacey' bands, or they were a lot less visible.... guess a certain new crop of chilluns had to become old enough to get into it and perpetuate it on their own..... and ya gotta figure...hell, purt near every musical genre has come back 'round, so why not this??? >>>>larry From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Feb 10 09:54:15 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:54:15 EST Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet Message-ID: carl....were you inclined to check out something bludgeoning and extreme and yet frighteningly well executed (to this older fart anyway) i'd say go find voivod's "phobos".... \>>>>larry From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Feb 10 10:00:55 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:00:55 EST Subject: HW: Emperors New Clothes Message-ID: i remember the first time i heard "hurry on sundown" i thought it was steve miller (this was back when steve miller was actually "cool"...hard to believe i know) gee...for that matter...i'd refer y'all to the steve miller band's "number 5" lp from late '70 because it's CHOCK FULL of the spacey sfx which are all over "in search of space", which came after it>>>>> >>>>larry From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Feb 10 10:02:21 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:02:21 EST Subject: HW: Emperors New Clothes Message-ID: yo sprawl....was the 'other guy" chris bruce? From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Feb 10 10:04:11 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:04:11 EST Subject: was HW: Emperors, now Monster Magnet Message-ID: it has been alleged that marilyn manson is the son of blackie lawless, who despises him.... From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Feb 10 10:05:49 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:05:49 EST Subject: OFF: Roky, was HW: Emperors, now Monster Magnet Message-ID: the phrase "lo-fi" can be relative.... From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Feb 10 10:38:45 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:38:45 -0500 Subject: was HW: Emperors, now Monster Magnet Message-ID: Carl speaks hypocritically... :) > But, anyway, yes--I think spacerock will get more attention >as a spacey adjunct of "heavy groove rock" (a term I like better >than "stoner rock" or "doom metal") than as a rocky adjunct of >the ambient-techno-whatever scene. I can't see dance music fans >getting excited about what space-rock dopes best (i.e. pounding >into oblivion :) but I can see "heavy groove rock" fans getting >into the psychedelic aspects of space-rock: well, shoot, I've >seen them do it! C'mon Carl, you hate the term 'stoner rock,' but then you refer to us all as space-rock dopes?!? What gives? :) Keith H. (FAA) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Feb 10 11:33:00 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:33:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Emperors New Clothes Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 10, 1999 5:03 am -0500 sprawl wrote: > That was no irate bloke, that was Jim Lascko, who arranged the tour. > The house sound person and HW spent hours getting the sound perfect, and > the "other guy," who I won't embarrass by naming, came in and screwed it all > up. Well, he was certainly irate! And rightly so. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Feb 10 11:42:34 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:42:34 +0000 Subject: was HW: Emperors, now Monster Magnet Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 10, 1999 10:38 am -0500 "Keith Henderson" wrote: > Carl speaks hypocritically... :) >>I can't see dance music fans >>getting excited about what space-rock dopes best (i.e. pounding >>into oblivion :) > > C'mon Carl, you hate the term 'stoner rock,' but then you refer to us all as > space-rock dopes?!? What gives? :) Gosh dang it! My true colors burning thru! ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Feb 10 11:57:04 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:57:04 +0000 Subject: was HW: Emperors, now Monster Magnet Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 10, 1999 7:40 am +0000 "Ted Jackson jr. s2h2" wrote: > Yep! Though a couple months ago, MM was touring with Rob Zombie. > Damn, I wish I'd seen that one... MM blew RZ & the Zombiettes away in London, IMO. Even if Dave W. was running through the same stage banter he uses at every gig ;) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Feb 10 12:50:33 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:50:33 +0000 Subject: HW: brainstorm cover question Message-ID: greetings once again travellers in the void... i was just browsing through the newsgroups and happened across a song in alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.1970s (ooh i know i know, home taping is killing music ;-)) which set my backbrain a-clicking the song being our old favourite brainstorm (and don't care what flava hawks you like, _everybody_, in a recent poll, loves this song; anyway i'm babbling. my question is: does anyone know of a band called Mastermind (described as 'heavy prog'), from (i guess 'Live in Tokyo') doing a cover of Brainstorm? Or is it another song entirely. I know i could just d/l it but its a _big_ file... oh and i just heard on the radio that iron maiden have raised 20mil by selling share options on their back catalogue (or something) in order to "bring heavy metal to China" ... i await the next Cultural Revolution with interest ... andrew "This song, Ping pong" - Thee Headcoats From mwood at MY-DEJANEWS.COM Wed Feb 10 13:11:06 1999 From: mwood at MY-DEJANEWS.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:11:06 -0000 Subject: HW: passports & such Message-ID: Well, I finally got off my *ss and sent off my 6x9 envelope and IRCs to get a Hawkwind passport. I hope that the Hawkwind 97 CD is still available after I get the passport...Has anyone in the US received it yet? What is the easiest way to pay for it? I picked up _Acid Daze Vol. 2_ (Receiver Records RRCD 126) on Monday for US$8. So I finally heard "Douglas in the Jungle" for the first time. Sheesh! I was a little disappointed that there wasn't much in the way of liner notes or track details. Now I know that this material has been packaged & re-packaged a dozen times - what's the best format to buy it in, in terms of liner notes/pictures/details/etc.? Volume 3 is also available at the same store for the same price, but if the packaging is as cheap as the Vol 2 CD, then I'll pass until I find a better release. Any thoughts? MWood NP: Kingston Wall - _I_ -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 10 12:11:43 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:11:43 EDT Subject: revisiting an old acquaintance... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: andrew > i was just browsing through the newsgroups and happened across a song in > alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.1970s (ooh i know i know, home taping is killing > music ;-)) Don't tell that to Gov't Mule, Little Feat or the Allmans, who openly condone taping. Paul Barrere of LF says that taping actually helps the band get new listeners and increases sales of 'official' recordings... theo From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Feb 10 13:22:15 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:22:15 -0600 Subject: BOC: New BOC? Message-ID: BLUE OYSTER CULT will contribute a new, > unreleased track to the Heavy Metal 2 soundtrack, which will be out in > July... >BOC releasing new material in successive years?! HEAVEN FORBID! >-- Nick ROTFLOL. Two ways this thing can go. Buck has recently put pen to paper or this "new, unreleased track " is actually older than my first two kids combined. >Right! I've NEVER been a big fan of that song, and it amazes me how it's endured. (ETI) >Well, I've heard it so much now that I do tire of it, but when I first got into BOC, I did think it was one of the coolest songs. It's got a great riff, and lyrically it encompasses the mystique of BOC. Live, the ending part has always rocked. But, I'd give it up to hear "7 Screaming Dizbusters" or "Subhuman" live in a heartbeat. You'd could kill any three songs in the current setlist for one 8 min version of Subhuman, just MHO. As for ETI its been around so long becuse it rocks. Its funky, quirky and plain old fun to hear. >Yes and no. The furious abandon of the old days is something to hear, no denying that. But the quality of BD's gtr playing is way beyond what he did in the old days. Balanced against EB's less powerful voice of today vs. his old stage stalking menace and humor. So, the guitar player in me prefers current shows, but the BOC fan in me likes the old days. But above all, the Flaming Telepaths of today is about as good as BOC has ever been! >Agreed! Well we all know its apples and oranges and there is no question Buck, Eric and Alan have aged well. However I think the biggest difference is the lack of the Bouchards. Ya ya I know don't go there but Joe and Al used to "push" the music through the speakers so to speak. A lot of that fire and energy, again, MHO, was due to the Bouchard brothers furious rythm generation. L8er Ghost in the Ruins..... .....madly froogin the Jason dance to live 'Tage From mwood at MY-DEJANEWS.COM Wed Feb 10 13:32:33 1999 From: mwood at MY-DEJANEWS.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:32:33 -0000 Subject: HW: brainstorm cover question Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:50:33 andrew wrote: >greetings once again travellers in the void... >does anyone know of a band called Mastermind (described as 'heavy prog'), >from (i guess 'Live in Tokyo') doing a cover of Brainstorm? Or is it >another song entirely. I know i could just d/l it but its a _big_ file... This "Brainstorm" is a different beast entirely. Mastermind's 2nd release was entitled _Volume 2: Brainstorm_, and features a 21 minute "suite" of the same name. Not bad, but it would appeal more to the ELP fan than the Hawkwind fan, I think. (That despite the fact that there are no real keyboards on the Mastermind CD, all MIDI guitar work.) MWood NP: _Spettacolo Annullato_ - Sithonia -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 10 12:44:53 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:44:53 EDT Subject: BOC: New BOC? In-Reply-To: <199902101851.LAA24099@docws002.shl.com> Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > Well we all know its apples and oranges and there is no question Buck, Eric > and Alan have aged well. However I think the biggest difference is the lack > of the Bouchards. Ya ya I know don't go there but Joe and Al used to "push" > the music through the speakers so to speak. A lot of that fire and energy, > again, MHO, was due to the Bouchard brothers furious rythm generation. > Right! It's an issue that won't go away. Both in the studio and on the stage, the Bouchards were soooo important. Wheras Danny may actually be a better bassist than Joe [hey this is no put-down, bass was never Joe's primary instrument] it remains to be seen if DM will ever write something on the order of Hot Rails... Similarly, Bobby's a great drummer [just not as unique as Al, who's got a style all his own] but it's unlikely he'll ever contribute the kind of songwriting that Al brought to the group throughout his tenure... theo ps Wish tBS would do some more gigs! From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Feb 10 14:16:40 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:16:40 +0000 Subject: revisiting an old acquaintance... In-Reply-To: <1CC51EA6D30@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: >Don't tell that to Gov't Mule, Little Feat or the Allmans, who openly >condone taping. Paul Barrere of LF says that taping actually helps >the band get new listeners and increases sales of 'official' >recordings... it always pleases me to hear that: it just seems to make so much sense thinking about the number of folks i've turned on to various musical experiences AND their back catalogues through a modest C90. i didn't really mean it about the home taping, just trying to bring some vinyl nostalgia for the uk'ers who i can guarantee will have at least a couple of lps from the 70s/80s with "home taping etc." printed on their inners (sleeves you see, not internal organs or owt) andrew "This song, Ping pong" - Thee Headcoats From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Feb 10 14:18:18 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:18:18 +0000 Subject: HW: brainstorm cover question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A >This "Brainstorm" is a different beast entirely. >Mastermind's 2nd release was entitled _Volume 2: Brainstorm_, and features a 21 minute "suite" of the same name. Not bad, but it would appeal more to the ELP fan than the Hawkwind fan, I think. (That despite the fact that there are no real keyboards on the Mastermind CD, all MIDI guitar work.) cheers for the info; it'll save my phone bill a bit of a hammering 8-) (nowt agin elp, but just not my cup of racket) andrew "This song, Ping pong" - Thee Headcoats From clemens at TRAIL.COM Wed Feb 10 15:20:12 1999 From: clemens at TRAIL.COM (Clemens) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:20:12 -0700 Subject: HW: passports & such Message-ID: MWood wrote; >Well, I finally got off my *ss and sent off my 6x9 envelope and IRCs to get a >Hawkwind passport. I hope that the Hawkwind 97 CD is still available after I get >the passport...Has anyone in the US received it yet? What is the easiest way to >pay for it? I have not received the passport yet. I mailed back the form with the photos 3 months ago. A recent message from XXX stated they were working on them but it was going slow. I did not find an easy way to pay since they want payment in pounds sterling. You'll have to find a bank that does that and pay approx. $20 for their service. Good luck Mark L clemens at trail.com From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Feb 10 16:01:27 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 15:01:27 -0600 Subject: OFF: Tinky Winky has been "outed" Message-ID: >From Reuters: Teletubbies' Tinky Winky is "outed" by Falwell WASHINGTON, Feb 10 (Reuters) - First President Bill Clinton and now Tinky Winky. America's sex cops are on the job, and not even the Teletubbies are safe. The largest of the four amorphous characters on the British-made children's television show has been ``outed'' by the Rev. Jerry Falwell. Against the backdrop of cries of ``sexual McCarthyism'' over the exposure and pursuit of Clinton, members of Congress and others for inappropriate amorous exploits, Falwell decided to expose Tinky Winky in the current issue of his monthly magazine ``National Liberty Journal.'' ``The character, whose voice is obviously that of a boy, has been found carrying a red purse in many episodes and has become a favorite character among gay groups worldwide,'' it said. Further evidence cited included the fact that the androgynous Tinky Winky is purple -- the gay pride color, and the antenna on his head is shaped like a triangle -- the gay pride symbol. ``These subtle depictions are no doubt intentional, and parents are warned to be alert to these elements of the series,'' the magazine said. Falwell did not address the sexual proclivities of La La, Po and Dipsy who are equally shapeless yellow, red and green characters with squiggly antennae and television screens in their tummies. They live in a kind of high-tech igloo with a bug-eyed vacuum cleaner, surrounded by grass, rabbits and flowers. At the end of each show, a periscope rises from the ground and summons them to ``Teletubby bye-bye.'' The show premiered in England in 1997 and came to the United States last year where it has been a hit for PBS. Teletubbies interactive dolls are set to go on the market next month. Falwell's magazine said Tinky Winky's sexuality had been the subject of debate for some time, pointing to the annual ``What's In and What's Out'' list in the Washington Post. The magazine said that this year, Tinky Winky's photograph appeared opposite that of actress Ellen DeGeneres, implying that DeGeneres, star of the television sit-com ``Ellen,'' was ``out'' as the chief national gay symbol, while Tinky Winky was the trendy ``in'' celebrity. From ted at ALGER.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Feb 10 14:21:47 1999 From: ted at ALGER.DEMON.CO.UK (Ted) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:21:47 +0000 Subject: revisiting an old acquaintance... In-Reply-To: <1CC51EA6D30@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: that's more or less Buck's attitude about taping too, from the few times I've heard him mention it > >Don't tell that to Gov't Mule, Little Feat or the Allmans, who openly >condone taping. Paul Barrere of LF says that taping actually helps >the band get new listeners and increases sales of 'official' >recordings... > >theo Ted From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Feb 10 16:10:59 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:10:59 -0800 Subject: HW: Anthology liner notes (was Re: passports & such) Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:11:06 -0000, Marshall Wood wrote: >I picked up _Acid Daze Vol. 2_ (Receiver Records RRCD 126) on Monday for US$8. So I finally heard "Douglas in the Jungle" for the first time. Sheesh! I was a little disappointed that there wasn't much in the way of liner notes or track details. Now I know that this material has been packaged & re-packaged a dozen times - what's the best format to buy it in, in terms of liner notes/pictures/details/etc.? Volume 3 is also available at the same store for the same price, but if the packaging is as cheap as the Vol 2 CD, then I'll pass until I find a better release. Any thoughts? The only version that came with liner notes was the picture-disc bag-set version, which is now an out-of-print vinyl-only Kollektors item. Fortunately, the complete liner notes (well-written by Brian Tawn, and very informative) are available On-Line at Sonique's HW site: ftp://ftp.pcmicro.com.au/pub/sonique/Anthology I think there are actually a good number of tracks that make the Anthology/Acid Daze (whatever) worth picking up (if you don't already have them on the Weird tapes or various Friends & Relations releases) - "We Do It" (one of HW's top BLANGA moments) "Motorhead" (I like Simon House & Nik Turner, but the sax & violin on the original version just don't do it for me; Dave's synths are just what the doktor ordered!) The Watchfield Festival jam Sonic Assassins' "Magnu"/"Angels of Death" the live "Quark, Strangeness & Charm" (yeah! Ade Shaw! Second-best bassist HW ever had!) "Ghost Dance" (although my favorite version is the one from Hawkfan 12, now available on the 'Elf & Hawk' CD/double LP on Black Widow) ... probably the best version of Anthology/Acid Daze to get is one of the ones that's a 2-CD set with all the stuff on it. AFAIK none of them have good packaging/liner notes, so I'd recommend going with whatever's cheapest/most-easily obtainable. -Doug ceres at sirius.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Feb 10 16:17:20 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:17:20 -0800 Subject: OFF: Tinky Winky has been "outed" Message-ID: heh heh heh ... I already got this SPAM, too ... on Wed, 10 Feb 1999 15:01:27 -0600, "BREVARD, Adrian R." wrote: >>From Reuters: Teletubbies' Tinky Winky is "outed" by Falwell so I'll add (extra editorial comments in [brackets] not by me!): (By DAVID REED Associated Press Writer) A spokesman for Itsy Bitsy Entertainment Co., which licenses the Teletubbies in the United States, said that what Falwell's newspaper described as a purse is actually Tinky Winky's magic bag. ``The fact that he carries a magic bag doesn't make him gay,'' Steve Rice said. ``It's a children's show, folks. To think we would be putting sexual innuendo in a children's show is kind of outlandish.'' The British show aimed at toddlers began airing on U.S. public television stations last spring and is now as popular as Barney, a singing dinosaur who also happens to be purple [and obviously gay, which is why dinosaurs went extinct]. The Teletubbies are portrayed by actors in oversized, brightly colored costumes [I mean Hellooooo....]. They all have television screens on their tummies [a notorious homosexual trait] and, according to the story line, live in a superdome hidden in the hills [just like those Queens of the French Quarter the New Orleans Saints]. Other than Tinky Winky, the troupe features Dipsy in green [a degenerate, alcoholic Papist Irishmen], Laa-Laa in orange [like the fruit] and Po in red [communist]. The Teletubbies dance [like the Village People], sing ["Its's Raining Men" no doubt] and share ``bi-i-ig hugs'' beneath a radiant sun emblazoned with the face of a laughing infant [in Sun God worshipping orgies that would put Caligula to shame]. Rice said Falwell was attacking ``something sweet and innocent'' to further his conservative political agenda. ``To out a Teletubby in a preschool show is kind of sad on his part. I really find it absurd and kind of offensive,'' he said. Falwell's spokeswoman, Laura Swickard, said the founder of the now-defunct Moral Majority agreed with everything that was in the NLJ article and would not comment beyond his one-paragraph statement. The Jewish Anti-Christ living in the Middle East right now had no comment. Copyright ? Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Feb 10 17:17:38 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:17:38 -0600 Subject: HW and MM Message-ID: U said>Anyway, I think it would be interesting to see what would happen if Hawkwind was part of one of these shed-style mega-rock tours of No. America (like Ozz-fest or whatever) at the invitation of Monster Magnet (as headliner or perhaps second billing). ~and then~ U Said>I dunno, it seems unbelievable to me that either Marilyn Manson (can't use abbr.!!) or Hole are any more popular right now than Monster Magnet. Well, I've never heard Manson, though I've seen the fruitcake on TV. And I didn't think Hole had any real talent? But then, I only remember hearing one song of theirs. And what the hell is Wyndorf doing touring with crap bands like that anyhoo?? Of course, I saw them with some miserable piece of crap called Korn or something...god, was *that* awful!! Made it through only two songs I think. They should have hooked onto the Sabbath tour (though the rescheduling would have probably screwed things up for MM) instead of, who is it?? Pantera or something? Well, I'll find out in two weeks. Keith H. (FAA) MM gets what HW would likely get under your first statement...a little exposure to a new fan base. When I first joined this list I was afraid of Hawkwind music. Thought it would be really weird/spacey...noise passed off as music. My mind soon changed after hearing Chronicles and Live '79. Imagine some of these kids getting to hear Silver Machine, Needle Gun etc., they may actually enjoy it. U Said>Yeah, of course, it wouldn't get me so thrilled to see them play a 40-minute set in daylight (hence no lights) in a Budweiser-sponsored Buffett Hut, but I'd just go to see what today's alterna-kids would say. You know, like, 'Man, those old geezers ripped off the Bummer riff!!' :) Yeah that would be one drawback if HW teamed with MM. Maybe Dave could set the record straight when he hits the stage. L8er Ghost in the Ruins From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Feb 10 17:18:44 1999 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:18:44 -0500 Subject: HW: passports & such Message-ID: Easiest way is to do it thru your post office. Costs 8 bucks. Then they send it to St Louis where it's converted, and forwarded to your party. You pay the US equivalent, postage, and the * dollar fee. Yeah, not too easy. If ya wanted to send cash, ya could change it at the airport, or an exchange in the city. Or, everyone could just send yer American dollars to Jon Brown (e?), who will be happy not only to change it to sterling, but deliver it to Dave personally. ((((( I AM ONLY KIDDING!!!! )))) Rj -----Original Message----- From: Clemens To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 3:39 PM Subject: Re: HW: passports & such >MWood wrote; >>Well, I finally got off my *ss and sent off my 6x9 envelope and IRCs to get >a >Hawkwind passport. I hope that the Hawkwind 97 CD is still available >after I get >the passport...Has anyone in the US received it yet? What is >the easiest way to >pay for it? > >I have not received the passport yet. I mailed back the form with the >photos 3 months ago. A recent message from XXX stated they were working on >them but it was going slow. > >I did not find an easy way to pay since they want payment in pounds >sterling. You'll have to find a bank that does that and pay approx. $20 for >their service. > >Good luck >Mark L >clemens at trail.com From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Feb 10 17:22:34 1999 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:22:34 -0500 Subject: HW: Emperors New Clothes Message-ID: Oh yeah... Definitely. And it's all on tape. It's a hoot! The highlight of a gawd-awful show. (Which, by the way, was actually a good performance. On the vid, it sounds marvelous, tho' it sounded like the nine hells on the spot.) > > Well, he was certainly irate! And rightly so. > >-- >Carl Edlund Anderson >Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic >St. John's College, University of Cambridge >mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk >http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Wed Feb 10 18:17:24 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:17:24 -0500 Subject: BOC: New BOC? In-Reply-To: <199902101851.LAA24099@docws002.shl.com> Message-ID: At 12:22 PM 2/10/99 -0600, you wrote: >You'd could kill any three songs in the current setlist for one 8 min >version of Subhuman, just MHO. As for ETI its been around so long becuse it >rocks. Its funky, quirky and plain old fun to hear. True... but how could they screw up the "live" ending like they did on Cult Classic? That was sad... that slide down/up the guitar nexk that "launches the end section" was really weak. > >of the Bouchards. Ya ya I know don't go there but Joe and Al used to "push" >the music through the speakers so to speak. A lot of that fire and energy, >again, MHO, was due to the Bouchard brothers furious rythm generation. In one of the interview that were done w/Albert floating about on the web (and probably on the BOCFAQMAN website) talks about Albert giving BOC a more vigorus work ethic. > >L8er >Ghost in the Ruins..... >.....madly froogin the Jason dance to live 'Tage Pardon me while I cackle madly.At least it's not the safety dance. Word from the " man with the biggest heart in rock and roll": David Roter's _Bambo_ is in line to be put out on Cellsum Records. Roter's "New York, New York" REALLLY is good. Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From john.m.gray at CWIX.COM Wed Feb 10 18:20:03 1999 From: john.m.gray at CWIX.COM (John Gray) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 15:20:03 -0800 Subject: HW Emporors New Clothes Message-ID: >yo sprawl....was the 'other guy" chris bruce? Exactly what I was thinking!! John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Wed Feb 10 18:51:53 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:51:53 -0500 Subject: BOC/BRAIN/OFF: Roooooooot-er Message-ID: Almost an hour of quirkiness on VHS tape which has the quality of a boot, the intimiacy of a boot but without the laces (BAAD joke, sorry) The tape is essentially divided up into two sorts o' features, Roter's dead on wacky monologues and the band consisting of Joe on them "88s," Peter "Peter Bouchard" B of the surgeons, Jack "Jack Bouchard" Rigg on guitar and bass(?), Ross the Boss, Scott Kempner, 2 backing vocalists whose names I couldnt make out, and an unnamed keyboardist. Obviously rom here on out, Il have to indicate who is playing where. Part the first: Mr. Roter explains the meanings behind "My Mother, My Brother and My (beep boop courtesy of the ETL Censoring Commission)" which leads into saysing that "Joan Crawford" is about his mother(maybe...) and it was one of the only songs that he made money on courtesy the 2 boys from BOC. The song starts out with.....Joe ripping up the boards on the oh so cool piano intro we all know and pretend to play(made possible by $100,000 worth of piano lessons according to David). His vocals are differnt than Eric's considerably... I thnk him singing HIS words gives the song more edge. A cool Rigg guitar solo w/ Albert laying down a good peat clears us through the middle (instead of the sound effect collage) and then.... and thennn... it sends a chill up the spine wit a radically reconstructed "Christina , Mothers Home" The intensity of the artist hits home, but the song does not return to the end as on FoUO. It wild in a twisted way:) Roter's style is very much teh storysong kind o venue, very differnt from BOC and Brain Surgeon lyric in general, and it works well. I think of him as a demented Lou Reed, without all the heroin and walking on the wild side. Anyhow, from Joan Crawford, we meet David's "other brother" through a short monologue and a story about Joe and Albert hating each other. The song itself "My Other Brother" is very Roter-ish : a combination of honesty and sarcasm with realyl well done guitar backing. "My Man Wont Stand" is the first rock anthem to impotence. 'Nuff said! :) The video editing has, shall we say, unorthodox points of departure , such as during ht organ solo of an otherwise well done Coney Island Girl. The set gains strength as it proceeds, highlights being "Time Bomb" w/ Ross the Boss laying down a good Chuck Berry strafing on top of the "Louie Louie" structure of the song. Roters vocals are more penetrating and "wild"... it cooks. And of course, 'I think I slept with Jackie Kennedy' is very nicely done, though the auience isnt particulary forthcoming in join in on the "jackie o" chorus at the end. Like ive alluded to in other postings, the Best song of the "night" was "New York New York," which David prefaces with a scolding of Bruce Springsteen, Van Morrison and Bobby Dylan. Albert starts out layin down a PHAT (really!) drumming tempo, full of fills only Albert can do. What comes on top is a gritty rap on all the "highlights" of what make the Big Apple loveably rotten. The band can groove on top of the Bouchardian riffing quite well. At the end, the band start a wailing on one of the motifs and Joe throws in a tasty lil' faux organ solo on a Kurzweil keyboard. Good show. Overall, the band(s) are much like theBrain Surgeons in attitude, relaxed and pleased as punch to play. If you like Bootlegs, this is one to get. On flame with rock n' roll soul, Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Wed Feb 10 19:35:08 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:35:08 -0600 Subject: HW: passports & such Message-ID: TRACK LIST FOR "SAN DIEGO OCTOBER 12, 1989" on "Smashing Rocks" (1989) DISC 1 1. MAGNU 6:32 2. DOWN THROUGH THE NIGHT 1:56 3. IN THE OFFICE 6:30 4. TIME WE LEFT THIS WORLD TODAY 2:45 5. HEADS 3:05 6. TIME WE LEFT THIS WORLD TODAY 1:48 7. ASSASSINS OF ALLAH 5:18 8. WIND OF CHANGE 3:21 9. ASSAULT & BATTERY 3:57 10. GOLDEN VOID 7:24 11. BACK IN THE BOX (INTRO) 1:52 DISC 2 1. BACK IN THE BOX 7:31 2. ARRIVAL IN UTOPIA 2:28 3. BACK IN THE BOX (REPRISE) 7:31 4. BRAINSTORM 6:14 5. DAMNATION ALLEY 10:06 6. 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(FAA) From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Feb 10 20:48:23 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:48:23 -0800 Subject: HW/OTHER: Salamander Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 20:16:55 -0500, Keith Henderson wrote: >Hey, who knows anything about a space-rock/psych improv band from >Minneapolis, MN called Salamander?? I just got their 1998 CD Red Mantra >today, and upon one listen, it's pretty damn cool. It was released on >Camera Obscura Records in Australia... >I can't find a website for the band...I'd like to know if they've got any >other recordings available. You can get information on Salamander and some other very cool bands (but see disclaimer!) at the Camera Obscura web site ... remember the .au for Australia! Their previous CD, Red Ampersand, was also released on that label. http://www.cameraobscura.com.au/ In the interests of full disclosure, I should point out that I am currently a Camera Obscura recording artist, via the Primordial Undermind. And in the interest of self-promotion, I'll point out (whether I should or not) that there's a Primordial Undermind MP3/Real Audio track (from a fairly rough rehearsal tape) featuring the current lineup (I'm not on any of their records or CD's so far) on the "MP3 singles" section of the Camera Obscura website. Regardless of my affiliation, I think it's a cool label (and Salemander are a good band!), -Doug ceres at sirius.com From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Feb 10 21:53:50 1999 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:53:50 -0500 Subject: HW: Emperors New Clothes Message-ID: I don't remember. -----Original Message----- From: DASLUD at aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 10:24 AM Subject: Re: HW: Emperors New Clothes >yo sprawl....was the 'other guy" chris bruce? From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Feb 10 23:46:33 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 23:46:33 EST Subject: was HW: Emperors, now Monster Magnet Message-ID: "dopes" meaning "does" , i teenk....or else....or else....how freudian of you, carl (grin) >>>>lb From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Feb 11 00:02:51 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 00:02:51 EST Subject: HW Emporors New Clothes Message-ID: actually i visited mr. bruce last week,and he appears headed in the right direction, which had decidedly NOT been the case the last 3-4 years... one may hope>>>>>>> larry From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Feb 11 00:08:24 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 00:08:24 EST Subject: HW: Emperors New Clothes Message-ID: yes, that could well xplain keeping him "nameless".....well, one possible "nameless" whom i alluded to before is doing better now.... >>>>lb From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Thu Feb 11 00:17:38 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 23:17:38 -0600 Subject: Hawkman Music / Information Center Message-ID: Hawkman Music is also an information center too, check it out! www.intplsrv.net/hawkman We got Brian Tawn ! exclusive ! 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FoFP Stephan Spiegel writes: > TRACK LIST FOR "SAN DIEGO OCTOBER 12, 1989" on "Smashing Rocks" (1989) > > DISC 1 > > 1. MAGNU 6:32 > 2. DOWN THROUGH THE NIGHT 1:56 > 3. IN THE OFFICE 6:30 > 4. TIME WE LEFT THIS WORLD TODAY 2:45 > 5. HEADS 3:05 > 6. TIME WE LEFT THIS WORLD TODAY 1:48 > 7. ASSASSINS OF ALLAH 5:18 > 8. WIND OF CHANGE 3:21 > 9. ASSAULT & BATTERY 3:57 > 10. GOLDEN VOID 7:24 > 11. BACK IN THE BOX (INTRO) 1:52 > > DISC 2 > > 1. BACK IN THE BOX 7:31 > 2. ARRIVAL IN UTOPIA 2:28 > 3. BACK IN THE BOX (REPRISE) 7:31 > 4. BRAINSTORM 6:14 > 5. DAMNATION ALLEY 10:06 > 6. EJECTION 10:29 > > 9.5 OUT OF 10 SOUND QUALITY > > HM From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Feb 11 06:06:05 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:06:05 +0000 Subject: was HW: Emperors, now Monster Magnet In-Reply-To: <000b01be5488$d49b8540$763f63c3@default> Message-ID: In article <000b01be5488$d49b8540$763f63c3 at default>, Andy Gilham writes >No! Nobody actually *likes* Hole! There are no Hole fans! They're >famous - *she's* famous - for being famous. That's it! Without a trace of irony, the other day I actually heard a DJ on GLR say "here's the latest sounds from Courtney Loves' Hole" -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Feb 11 06:27:18 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:27:18 +0000 Subject: HW: passports & such In-Reply-To: <005d01be5543$57829ce0$17a48fcc@sprawl> Message-ID: In article <005d01be5543$57829ce0$17a48fcc at sprawl>, sprawl writes >Or, everyone could just send yer American dollars to Jon Brown (e?), who >will be happy not only to change it to sterling, but deliver it to Dave >personally. ((((( I AM ONLY KIDDING!!!! )))) Hey, I am kitted out to take Visa/Mastercard/Amex and Diners if its convenient for y'all. As always, I would be more than happy to facilitate in anyway possible, and Trevor Hughes would vouch for me, as we have done business :) -- Jon From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Feb 11 06:51:20 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:51:20 EDT Subject: revisiting an old acquaintance... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Ted > that's more or less Buck's attitude about taping too, from the > few times I've heard him mention it > > > > >Don't tell that to Gov't Mule, Little Feat or the Allmans, who openly > >condone taping. Paul Barrere of LF says that taping actually helps > >the band get new listeners and increases sales of 'official' > >recordings... > > Honestly, I think that the only bands hurt by taping are the currently-too-popular, flavor of the month bands who won't be around in a couple years, and figure they have to make a huge killing now. And who exactly circulates audience tapes? Only rabid, die hard fans, of course, folks who will buy all official recordings anyway. Audience tapes serve a useful purpose in maintaining focus and interest in the group during breaks in the tour sched., and gaps between official releases. When I think of the HUNDREDS of G-Mule and Little Feat recordings out there, I cry my boots [sic] full when pondering that there could be that many BOC tapes out there! I know Al has said in the past that it's okay with him if you tape a tBS show... theo From mwood at MY-DEJANEWS.COM Thu Feb 11 08:55:13 1999 From: mwood at MY-DEJANEWS.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:55:13 -0000 Subject: HW: passports & such Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:27:18 Jon Browne wrote: >In article <005d01be5543$57829ce0$17a48fcc at sprawl>, sprawl > writes >>Or, everyone could just send yer American dollars to Jon Brown (e?), who >>will be happy not only to change it to sterling, but deliver it to Dave >>personally. ((((( I AM ONLY KIDDING!!!! )))) > >Hey, I am kitted out to take Visa/Mastercard/Amex and Diners if its >convenient for y'all. > >As always, I would be more than happy to facilitate in anyway possible, Are we kidding again, or is there really something that you can do to help out your less-fortunate American Hawkfan counterparts? Having to pay an additional US$20 to convert currency means I probably won't be getting Hawkwind 97...sniff, sniff... MWood -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Feb 11 09:59:48 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:59:48 EST Subject: HW: Emperors New Clothes Message-ID: dunno wassup w/that but it's conceiveable he'd attempt to make some kinda good on (that)....if appraised....DISCLAIMER: i am not speaking for/representing him in any way....i've had my own negative xperiences w/him.... From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Feb 11 09:58:40 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:58:40 -0500 Subject: OTHER: Porky Tree tour Message-ID: Hi Folks.... Current No. America Porcupine Tree looks like the following. May 23 Le D'Auteuille Quebec City, Canada May 24 Higher Ground Burlington, Vermont May 26 Phantasmagoria Wheaton, Maryland (w/ Magma?) May 27 Knitting Factory New York May 30 Palace of Fine Arts San Francisco (Progfest '99) Jun 2 Troubadour Los Angeles Jun 3 Shank Hill Milwaukee, Wisconsin Jun 4 House of Blues Chicago Jun 5 Euclid Tavern Cleveland, Ohio Keith H. (FAA) I haven't been to the Euclid Tavern in years, but that hardly seems like an appropriate place for the Porkies to play. Small, grungy place if I can remember. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Feb 11 10:27:15 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:27:15 GMT Subject: HW: passports & such In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:27:18 +0000 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > As always, I would be more than happy to facilitate in anyway possible, > and Trevor Hughes would vouch for me, as we have done business :) Ah, but does your business operate with Hughes-like efficiency? > Jon FoFP From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Feb 11 10:36:25 1999 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:36:25 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind 97, I'VE GOT IT !!! In-Reply-To: <199902011522.QAA08249@mail.home.ins.de> Message-ID: Two new Hawkwind albums in one week! I feel faint -- pass the smelling salts, Miss Tibbs... This really rocks, BTW. Dave. Languages Group Manager. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 11 10:50:14 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:50:14 +0000 Subject: revisiting an old acquaintance... Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 10, 1999 7:21 pm +0000 Ted wrote: > that's more or less Buck's attitude about taping too, from the > few times I've heard him mention it Besides, BOC scarecely has any new product that would be endangered by home-taping ;) (But, yes, it's been ages since anyone sensible has objected to live taping. It clearly helps far more than it could possibly hurt!) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 11 10:52:35 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:52:35 +0000 Subject: HW: Emperors New Clothes Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 10, 1999 5:22 pm -0500 sprawl wrote: > Oh yeah... Definitely. And it's all on tape. It's a hoot! The highlight > of a gawd-awful show. > (Which, by the way, was actually a good performance. On the vid, it sounds > marvelous, tho' it sounded > like the nine hells on the spot.) Yeah, I had a friend who got up close to the stage and he said it sounded much better when you weren't depending on the PA so much! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Feb 11 11:17:02 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:17:02 GMT Subject: Currency trading proposal In-Reply-To: Marshall Wood's message of Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:55:13 -0000 Message-ID: This problem has been around a while. I've got around it personally by using my book account in the US as a bank account. The problem being that the liquidity of the account is lessened by it only being convertible to books, though that seems to happen to a lot of my money anyway. The principle is reasonably sound however and with the willing cooperation of two good folks on this list, one on each side of the Atlantic, could be extended to everyone. It'd obviously be better if the currency du jour was CD's rather than books, given the interests of folks here, though with carefully selected compan(ies) it might be possible to cover both. How it might work: 1) the simple method: Each of the two people have a bank account. When anyone wants something from the other side of the pond, they send a cheque to the person on their own side of the pond in their own currency. That gets put into the designated account. The person on the other side of the pond then sends out an equivalent cheque in the other currency to fulfill whatever order has been arranged by the foreign buyer. The calculated cost to the buyer would be at the prevailing exchange rate plus something to cover the postal cost of sending a cheque at the other side, plus maybe a little extra of which more later. What this means basically is that the two designated bankers will have a balance owing between them either one way or the other. In an ideal world this would never get too far out of kilter. If it did, then some form of transaction would happen to temporarily redress the balance. This could involve cheques, which would incur the occasional transaction cost. There might also be adverse movements in currency which would have to be borne by one or other of the bankers. The Little Extra on each transaction would be calculated to cover such costs. Given bank charges, it would be easy to do this and still save everyone a lot of money in the long run. 2) The other way: Instead of bank accounts each banker has an account with a CD (and maybe books as well) company (preferably one(s) which take online orders). The first advantage of this is that to rederess out of kilter balances, one banker can simply order CD's at his end of the pond at the request of the other banker to rebalance the deficit. The bankers would therefore preferably be people who already tend to look for stuff from the other side of the pond. This saves on currency charges even for rebalancing the accounts, and on the foreign orders of the bankers. This would also mean that where the company itself held stock of the CD required by the buyer, it could be ordered from the foreign distributor and paid into the account of the domestic one. The companies would be chosen for their likelihood to carry the sort of stock required , thus saving the sending of cheques to other companies when they didn't. Those companies woud have to be willing to hold an account for the banker concerned, but given the likely trade generated, that oughtn't to be a problem. It would also be preferable if they had a personal enough relationship with the banker to be willing to send CD's out to an address other than that of the banker (otherwise it would involve repostage by the banker), which is stretching the rules if the account were backed by a credit card. And of course it would be necessary for the two bankers themselves to trust each other, and be trusted by everyone else. There would probably in this case need to be some extra on each transaction to cover CD's going missing. They could then be reordered. That would amount to insurance pooling between members of the list. The other option would be that non appearance of ordered CD's are just a problem between the buyer and the distributor. However the existence of the banker account with the company would perhaps put them in an awkward position where the insurance pooling would protect them. Anyway. That's how it might work. I'm pretty sure that it could relatively easily be set up by the second method in a way that would be least hassle for the two bankers. I'm willing to be one banker. I'm sure I've traded with enough people to garner a vote of confidence (noting of course that Keith has two CD's which appear to have gone missing and that I will honour if necessary) in my honesty. I'd hope that Andy Garibaldi would establish the necessary account at C&D for me since it would almost be easier given the amount I already buy there. What would be needed to try this is someone at the other end who regularly wants Brit stuff anyway, and who can get an account with one of the US dealers. And of course the interest of others from the list of running such a system. Over to you guys.... FoFP From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Thu Feb 11 11:21:31 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:21:31 +0100 Subject: HW: passports & such In-Reply-To: <01b101be5556$9ff16b60$acf6050c@hawkwind> Message-ID: Hi There At 18:35 10.02.99 -0600, you wrote: >TRACK LIST FOR "SAN DIEGO OCTOBER 12, 1989" on "Smashing Rocks" >(1989) Oh well, I fear that this CD-R is NOT from San Diego. It really looks like if it was recorded (like the DAMNATION ALLEY boot) in Minneapolis I have got here a 1st generation copy of the original San Diego tape from a fan from San Diego who taped this gig. And there was NO ENCORE in San Diego. This means that HAWKWIND did NOT play Ejection. The guy told me that HAWKWIND left the stage after Damnation Alley I know that there are some wrong dated tapes on the "market". One famous tape is the Minneapolis 89 tape dated as San Diego 89 Bernhard DISC 1 1. MAGNU 6:32 2. DOWN THROUGH THE NIGHT 1:56 3. IN THE OFFICE 6:30 4. TIME WE LEFT THIS WORLD TODAY 2:45 5. HEADS 3:05 6. TIME WE LEFT THIS WORLD TODAY 1:48 7. ASSASSINS OF ALLAH 5:18 8. WIND OF CHANGE 3:21 9. ASSAULT & BATTERY 3:57 10. GOLDEN VOID 7:24 11. BACK IN THE BOX (INTRO) 1:52 DISC 2 1. BACK IN THE BOX 7:31 2. ARRIVAL IN UTOPIA 2:28 3. BACK IN THE BOX (REPRISE) 7:31 4. BRAINSTORM 6:14 5. DAMNATION ALLEY 10:06 6. EJECTION 10:29 9.5 OUT OF 10 SOUND QUALITY HM From ted at ALGER.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Feb 10 17:35:43 1999 From: ted at ALGER.DEMON.CO.UK (Ted) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 22:35:43 +0000 Subject: revisiting an old acquaintance... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: hey, I think my copy of Flat Out has that on it... and maybe Revolution by Night... a cassette and crossbones right? thought it was pretty amusing myself >i didn't really mean it about the home taping, just trying to bring some >vinyl nostalgia for the uk'ers who i can guarantee will have at least a >couple of lps from the 70s/80s with "home taping etc." printed on their >inners (sleeves you see, not internal organs or owt) > > > >andrew > > >"This song, >Ping pong" - Thee Headcoats Ted From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 11 13:25:57 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:25:57 +0000 Subject: HW Emporors New Clothes Message-ID: On tor 11 feb 1999 00.02 +0000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > actually i visited mr. bruce last week,and he appears headed in the right > direction, > which had decidedly NOT been the case the last 3-4 years... Does he still have any of his studio equipment? Or did it all get sold/impounded. I used to damn near weep when I looked at what ought to have been a thriving little studio industry sitting and mouldering 'cause he couldn't be bothered to do anything! At least, I used to damn near weep when I wasn't resisting the urge to beat his head in for showing up six hours late ;) Otherwise I could have got a couple of more tracks for my dodgy demo tape (or mixed the ones I got!). Great guy is Chris, and he has fine intentions--he just didn't seem to be in close contact with reality! Hope he gets himself sorted out. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Thu Feb 11 14:20:55 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:20:55 -0500 Subject: BOC in New England Message-ID: Yoo Hoo! Back to back BOC dates in March (Cambridge, MA the 18th and Stratford, CT the 19th). Does anyone have the venues for these shows? thanx From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Feb 11 16:04:09 1999 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:04:09 -0500 Subject: BOC in New England Message-ID: >Back to back BOC dates in March (Cambridge, MA the 18th and Stratford, CT the 19th). March 18th in Cambridge is at the "Middle East" - located on Mass. Ave just north of M.I.T., about a mile south of Harvard Square. Food, live music, and belly dancing... And don't forget, the Brain Surgeons played their first! ;-) John From hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET Thu Feb 11 19:31:19 1999 From: hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET (D Witt) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:31:19 -0600 Subject: HW: Re Salamander Message-ID: Keith H wrote: > Hi Folks... > > Hey, who knows anything about a space-rock/psych improv band from > Minneapolis, MN called Salamander?? I just got their 1998 CD Red > Mantra > today, and upon one listen, it's pretty damn cool. It was released on > Camera Obscura Records in Australia...Sonique, do you carry any of this > stuff? You should! > > I can't find a website for the band...I'd like to know if they've got > any > other recordings available. > > Dan? Every heard of these guys?? > > Keith H. (FAA) Yes I've heard of them but not seen them. A local weekly entertainment paper (The City Pages) just did a story on them. As I recall the band was unhappy that local college radio was refusing to play their music, while at other college radio stations they were getting good play. Also the band commented that they that it will be very rare for them to perform live, because if they were to perform regularly it wouldn't be a special thing. The City Pages web site may have the article on-line. From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Thu Feb 11 19:44:14 1999 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:44:14 -0500 Subject: HW: passports & such Message-ID: LOL! -----Original Message----- From: M Holmes To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 10:43 AM Subject: Re: HW: passports & such >Jon Browne writes: > >> As always, I would be more than happy to facilitate in anyway possible, >> and Trevor Hughes would vouch for me, as we have done business :) > >Ah, but does your business operate with Hughes-like efficiency? > >> Jon > >FoFP From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Thu Feb 11 19:51:34 1999 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:51:34 -0500 Subject: HW: Emperors New Clothes Message-ID: Yes, he is, =) -----Original Message----- From: DASLUD at aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 12:25 AM Subject: Re: HW: Emperors New Clothes >yes, that could well xplain keeping him "nameless".....well, one possible >"nameless" whom i alluded to before is doing better now.... >>>>>lb From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Thu Feb 11 20:00:22 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:00:22 -0600 Subject: HW San Diego '89 CDR Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Stephan Spiegel To: Clemens Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 6:57 PM Subject: Re: San Diego '89 Thanks for the response. I did see the first post on boc-l, but there wasn't any commentary as to why. If this was an '89 release, is it still available? From you? There weren't cd-r's in '89 so was this on vinyl? Is Smashing Rocks a legit label or...? No, I found it through a private collector. It looks like the CD's are exact pictures of "Love in Space" Cover. Front cover is something I don't recognize. So I guess that it wasn't made in 1989 like the back cover says. The BOC HW is starting to give feedback to the tune of, NOT ! ! One said it was recorded in Minneapolis. I've never heard of Smashing Rocks. There is a Smashing Records label. Mike Coleman never heard of this release (boot) so it must be rare. Almost could pass for a "cheap" official release. I've tried to see if the guy can get more, but he said he traded it for a Black Sabbath CD, and I don't even know if he's really into Hawkwind much. And no, he's not in touch with the guy he bought it from, probably some time ago. I TRIED ! ! ! And believe me, If I can find more, you guys will be the first to know. But I gotta get the next one for Mike C. or he'll KILL ME ! ! ! ! ! :))) thanks, Mark Licht clemens at trail.com ANY TIME ! ! I'm here to serve the HW community. Hawkman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 11 21:14:29 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 02:14:29 +0000 Subject: BOC in New England Message-ID: On tor 11 feb 1999 16.04 -0500 "John A Swartz" wrote: > And don't forget, the Brain Surgeons played their first! ;-) And I was there :) It rocked :) They were _sans_ Billy though as I recall ... -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Fri Feb 12 07:58:35 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 07:58:35 -0500 Subject: BOC in New England Message-ID: Thanks - I assume you'll be there? > ---------- > From: John A Swartz[SMTP:jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 1999 4:04 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: BOC in New England > > >Back to back BOC dates in March (Cambridge, MA the 18th and Stratford, CT > the 19th). > > March 18th in Cambridge is at the "Middle East" - located on Mass. Ave > just > north of M.I.T., about a mile south of Harvard Square. Food, live music, > and belly dancing... > > And don't forget, the Brain Surgeons played their first! ;-) > > John > From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Feb 12 08:16:56 1999 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:16:56 -0500 Subject: BOC in New England Message-ID: >> And don't forget, the Brain Surgeons played their first! ;-) > And I was there :) It rocked :) They were _sans_ Billy though as I recall ... Indeed they were. But it was a rocking good time anyway. Only time I got to see "Most Romantic Place in the World" done live... It's my understanding that there are 2 clubs (upstairs and downstairs?) at the Middle East. I don't know which one BOC is playing at. The one where tBS played probably only legally holds about 100 (and the stage barely holds 4). I called the club yesterday. Ticketmaster is handling ticket sales for the show. When I called them (ticketmaster), they didn't yet have ticket information. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Feb 12 08:17:39 1999 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:17:39 -0500 Subject: BOC in New England Message-ID: >Thanks - I assume you'll be there? Most definitely! John From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Fri Feb 12 08:23:51 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:23:51 -0500 Subject: BOC in New England Message-ID: According to the Middle East Web Page www.mideastclub.com there are three stages (upstairs, downstairs, & corner) > ---------- > From: John A Swartz[SMTP:jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: Friday, February 12, 1999 8:16 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: BOC in New England > > >> And don't forget, the Brain Surgeons played their first! ;-) > > > And I was there :) It rocked :) They were _sans_ Billy > though as I recall ... > > Indeed they were. But it was a rocking good time anyway. Only time I > got to see "Most Romantic Place in the World" done live... > > It's my understanding that there are 2 clubs (upstairs and downstairs?) > at the Middle East. I don't know which one BOC is playing at. The one > where tBS played probably only legally holds about 100 (and the stage > barely holds 4). > > I called the club yesterday. Ticketmaster is handling ticket sales for > the show. When I called them (ticketmaster), they didn't yet have ticket > information. > > John > From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Fri Feb 12 12:51:32 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:51:32 -0500 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet In-Reply-To: <1C6B63C4F18@library.syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr. s2h2" at Feb 10, 99 07:35:16 am Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 writes: > Powertrip is the only MM disc I have, but I really like it! Crop > Cirlce is a great tune. Since I'm not a HW fan, I can't say if MM > would appeal, but it certainly strikes a chord with the BOC fan in > me. REgarding Wyndof's ego, the Guitar World feature last month > talks a lot about how the band was almost starving, with everyone but > Wyndorf having to work day jobs to get by. DAve made it clear that > Powertrip was a calculated effort to achieve some commercial success, > but he was definitely going for the rock star trip at the same time. > It's a great article, BTW... There were plenty of "marketable" songs on _Superjudge_. I think he could have kept writing that kind of monstrously heavy stuff, *and* been commercially successful. With MTV videos for "Cyclops Revolution", "Cage Around the Sun", and "Black Balloon", I think they could have been as popular as Soundgarden and White Zombie. The story I heard was that the "other" MM guitarist (the one who left, and is now hanging out with Josh Homme doing Desert Sessions stuff) was the guy who was responsible for the "Monster Magnet sound" on Spine of God and Superjudge (although he may already have been gone when they cut that album, his influence was there), and that Dave Wyndorff just wanted to be a big rock star. I have no way of knowing how true this might be, and I sort of scoffed at it at the time, but events seem to have borne out the theory. I can't listen to the last 2 MM albums, they sound too canned for me. On the other hand, Spine of God is one of my favorite albums of all time, and Superjudge has many of my favorite songs. Steve swann at plutonia.com From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Feb 12 13:10:55 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 18:10:55 GMT Subject: Currency trading proposal In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:17:02 GMT Message-ID: I see no-one has responded to this yet. What do folk think about the proposal? In the UK it is extremely difficult to exchange small sums of foreign money - either the exchange is refused outright (such as International Money Orders which neither the post office nor the Bureau de Change will touch and the bank will charge around 8.00 pounds to convert) or you pay huge conversion charges equal to the amount invoved. There was a recent exchange I did where it would have been much easier if the US person could have paid the Person In Charge in the States in dollars and I could have have been paid in pounds at this end. It would help the Hawkwind Passport side of things for folk in the States as well. I wondered what would happen if one person accumulated a *very* much larger amount of payments than the other person but I am assured that any equalisation necessary could be easily done by an exchange of CDs. However it will definitely need two people we can all get in touch with easily - and reliably! Anyone want to volunteer? jill ================================ M Holmes writes: > This problem has been around a while. I've got around it personally by > using my book account in the US as a bank account. The problem being > that the liquidity of the account is lessened by it only being > convertible to books, though that seems to happen to a lot of my money > anyway. > > The principle is reasonably sound however and with the willing > cooperation of two good folks on this list, one on each side of the > Atlantic, could be extended to everyone. > > It'd obviously be better if the currency du jour was CD's rather than > books, given the interests of folks here, though with carefully selected > compan(ies) it might be possible to cover both. > > How it might work: > > 1) the simple method: > > Each of the two people have a bank account. When anyone wants something > from the other side of the pond, they send a cheque to the person on > their own side of the pond in their own currency. That gets put into the > designated account. The person on the other side of the pond then sends > out an equivalent cheque in the other currency to fulfill whatever order > has been arranged by the foreign buyer. The calculated cost to the buyer > would be at the prevailing exchange rate plus something to cover the > postal cost of sending a cheque at the other side, plus maybe a little > extra of which more later. > > What this means basically is that the two designated bankers will have a > balance owing between them either one way or the other. In an ideal > world this would never get too far out of kilter. If it did, then some > form of transaction would happen to temporarily redress the balance. > > This could involve cheques, which would incur the occasional transaction > cost. There might also be adverse movements in currency which would have > to be borne by one or other of the bankers. The Little Extra on each > transaction would be calculated to cover such costs. Given bank charges, > it would be easy to do this and still save everyone a lot of money in > the long run. > > 2) The other way: > > Instead of bank accounts each banker has an account with a CD (and maybe > books as well) company (preferably one(s) which take online orders). > > The first advantage of this is that to rederess out of kilter balances, > one banker can simply order CD's at his end of the pond at the request > of the other banker to rebalance the deficit. The bankers would > therefore preferably be people who already tend to look for stuff from > the other side of the pond. This saves on currency charges even for > rebalancing the accounts, and on the foreign orders of the bankers. > > This would also mean that where the company itself held stock of the CD > required by the buyer, it could be ordered from the foreign distributor > and paid into the account of the domestic one. > > The companies would be chosen for their likelihood to carry the sort of > stock required , thus saving the sending of cheques to other companies > when they didn't. Those companies woud have to be willing to hold an > account for the banker concerned, but given the likely trade generated, > that oughtn't to be a problem. It would also be preferable if they had a > personal enough relationship with the banker to be willing to send CD's > out to an address other than that of the banker (otherwise it would > involve repostage by the banker), which is stretching the rules if the > account were backed by a credit card. > > And of course it would be necessary for the two bankers themselves to > trust each other, and be trusted by everyone else. > > There would probably in this case need to be some extra on each > transaction to cover CD's going missing. They could then be reordered. > That would amount to insurance pooling between members of the list. The > other option would be that non appearance of ordered CD's are just a > problem between the buyer and the distributor. However the existence of > the banker account with the company would perhaps put them in an awkward > position where the insurance pooling would protect them. > > Anyway. That's how it might work. I'm pretty sure that it could > relatively easily be set up by the second method in a way that would be > least hassle for the two bankers. > > I'm willing to be one banker. I'm sure I've traded with enough people to > garner a vote of confidence (noting of course that Keith has two CD's > which appear to have gone missing and that I will honour if necessary) > in my honesty. I'd hope that Andy Garibaldi would establish the > necessary account at C&D for me since it would almost be easier given > the amount I already buy there. > > What would be needed to try this is someone at the other end who > regularly wants Brit stuff anyway, and who can get an account with one > of the US dealers. And of course the interest of others from the list of > running such a system. > > Over to you guys.... > > FoFP > ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Fri Feb 12 13:15:59 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 13:15:59 -0500 Subject: OFF: Desert Rock (was Emperors and Monster Magnet) In-Reply-To: <847780.3127593374@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> from "Carl Edlund Anderson" at Feb 9, 99 11:56:14 pm Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > > This is definitely my feeling. Without wishing to invoke > the dreaded words "selling out", I think there's a bandwaggon > that space-rockers can latch onto here--and presumbably they *do* > want to sell records. People dig bands like Monster Magnet and > Kyuss, and space-rock is not far from that vibe if it's effectively > different at all! This reminds me... for all you Kyuss fans wondering where your next fix is going to come from, check out Celestial Season. Nevermind the obvious tea jokes, I've heard them all. ;-) Their second album _Orange_ simply rules. The first album I don't like as much, it's sort of Heavy Gothic, rather than the down-tuned Desert Rock of _Orange_. You can get sound samples of two of the songs from _Orange_ ("Walleroo" and "Black Queen is Dynamite") as well as Real Audio of the entire first album from: http://www.cytag.nl/cseason/index2.html In fact, on checking that page I see that the new album is out. I'll have to order it this weekend. Steve swann at plutonia.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Feb 12 13:07:00 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 13:07:00 -0500 Subject: was HW: Emperors, now Monster Magnet Message-ID: Carl had suggested... > But, anyway, yes--I think spacerock will get more attention >as a spacey adjunct of "heavy groove rock" (a term I like better >than "stoner rock" or "doom metal") First off, I don't think 'stoner rock' and 'doom metal' are one and the same. Monster Magnet/Fu Manchu/Nebula being the former, and Orange Goblin and a whole slew of other bands I try to avoid being the latter. And secondly, if I had heard someone come up to me and say they liked 'heavy groove rock,' I would immediately think Red Hot Chili Peppers and not Datura. It don't matter to me whether there's a drug connotation with the music that's being labelled thusly, and I say that being totally 'clean' myself (well, for the last decade anyway). I suppose you never liked 'acid rock' either. (Well, I never did either...but that was more because it wasn't obvious just what sort of psychedelic bands (SF-type or Hawkwind/krautrock-type) were being referred to...same with art rock, perhaps the stupidest label). Keith H. (FAA) From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Feb 12 14:52:41 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:52:41 -0800 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:51:32 -0500, Stephen Swann wrote: >The story I heard was that the "other" MM guitarist (the one who left, >and is now hanging out with Josh Homme doing Desert Sessions stuff) That would be John McBain, who already released an excellent album and a few singles under the name 'Wellwater Conspiracy' (great name!). Which, by the way, sounds NOTHING like Monster Magnet - more like Syd Barrett-era Pink Floyd or similar anglo-psychedelia (Tomorrow, Kaleidoscope, even a bit of the Kinks circa 'Something Else'/'Village Green Preservation Society') ... sort of along the lines of the Watch Children, the band that drummer Jon Kleiman (sp?) was in before Monster Magnet. >was the guy who was responsible for the "Monster Magnet sound" on >Spine of God and Superjudge (although he may already have been gone >when they cut that album, his influence was there), and that Dave >Wyndorff just wanted to be a big rock star. I have no way of knowing >how true this might be, and I sort of scoffed at it at the time, but >events seem to have borne out the theory. Not sure if I've given this history lesson to the list yet, but ... Monster Magnet came to be when Dave met up with McBain (guitar) and Tim Cronin (drums, vocals), who had been operating under the name 'Dog of Mystery' (amongst others, like 'Airport 75'). That lineup recorded their "Lizard Johnny" debut 7" (which I bought based on the description in the Ajax record catalog - something like "Stooges-like over-the-top fuzz-wah action") and the 'Fuck Life, I'm High On Drugs' demo tape (I wrote to the band - Tim, actually - after reading a review of this tape that stated it had a cover of "Brainstorm" on it; Tim said they loved Hawkwind, but Skullflower were a bigger influence ... there's something that's definitely changed!). I'm not exactly certain where the infamous "Jane's Addiction" (saw THAT band opening for Iggy Pop right after their major label debut came out; thought they sucked - an art-school project by someone without enough taste in music to know anything more obscure than Led Zeppelin and Guns'n'Roses) opening spot that put them on the map fell, but along the way they added a bassist (Joe Calenda [sp?!?], an ex-housemate of my friend John Allen of New World of Sound records, who's had quite a bit of involvement with my musical "career" [yeah, right] ... sorry for this digression and those that follow) and later, when Tim was hospitalized for Hepatitis(?) a new drummer, Jon Kleiman (ex-Watch Children). Around that time, they put out the second single, "Murder"/"Tractor" on Primo Scree/Caroline, and possibly the eponymous Glitterhouse EP, too. I was briefly in the New York area when Monster Magnet were booked to play Maxwell's (summer of 91, I think) ... I bought a tape recorder to try to interview them for the fanzine I was writing for at the time (I wound up interviewing Dave for KFJC in the Bay Area a few years later), but the show had been cancelled due to Tim's illness. I was very bummed. I think that McBain was still in the band when I first saw them, opening for Soundgarden (they had just signed with A&M, but hadn't yet recorded 'Superjudge'), but he was gone the second time they came out to the West Coast (Liquorball, who are acquaintences of mine, opened for them at one of these shows). It definitely didn't seem the same without him. As long-time (original?) Monster Magnet fan (and 'Ugly American' zine editor) Greg Chapman said, "Monster Magnet without McBain is like Satan without his pitchfork." And I'll admit that I haven't really followed their successive successes except from afar. Although the other day, at Primordial Undermind rehearsal, Steve (rhythm guitar, who drove Dave to the interview I did with him all those years ago, and back to the venue afterwards) says to me, "I was channel-flipping the other night and came across MTV, where they were showing a Monster Magnet video with all these luscious supermodel babes all over Dave Wyndorf, and I was thinking, 'shit - a few years ago, he was sitting in my car, puffin' away with me!'". -Doug ceres at sirius.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Feb 12 18:16:33 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 18:16:33 -0500 Subject: HW/OFF: Doug Walker of AP Message-ID: Hi Folks... I just learned that Doug Walker (aka Dr. Synth) of Alien Planetscapes has been suffering from some serious health problems, and so I contacted Marc Power (who is here also, I believe) to see if this info should be made public such that we could try to help him out a bit. Marc's response is below. If you haven't heard AP yet, you should order yourself a copy of their 1997 'Life on Earth' CD (see info below). It's brilliant, and I named it to my list of 20 quintessential space rock albums (of all-time, mind you). And if you've already got it, then perhaps you could pre-order some upcoming AP material. I think I'll do that myself to support Doug's tireless efforts for all these years to get this music out there, and to help him make ends meet during these difficult times. Keith H. (FAA) P.S. Marc, if you're here, could you tell us what the prices are for the May/June releases?? Is it $15 for Blacklist?? And what for the 4CD-R set? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This is Marc Power typing for Doug Walker who is on the phone right now. Doug has had some serious medical problems with degenerative heart disease, but he is on the mend now and expects to be back to live performances come April. He has had to drastically change what he eats, and tells me that he had a dream about french fries last night. He thanks you for your concern, and thinks it is great that people are there for him during this period of ill-health. The AP followup to their debut CD, 'Life on Earth' will be entitled: 'Victims of the Blacklist' and is expected to be out in June. He is planning to repackage as a 4CD-R set all the material of himself and Louis Boone (a.k.a. Professor Electron of B?RN to G?) of AP from the 1982-1983 era, which should be released in May. The 1991-1992 Alien Planetscapes incarnation also has a lot of unreleased material that he is planning to do something with. He appreciates any support that people are able to give him and the band at this time and would like to state that he is taking deposits and pre-orders on all of these items right now.'Life on Earth' is available from the address below for $15 post paid. He is looking forward to an exciting 1999 and playing for all the fans. Perhaps you could post this to the various lists for him. Thank you all Marc Power for and on behalf of Doug Walker. (718) 723-1662 191-32 116th Avenue St. Albans, New York 11412 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 12 20:03:57 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 01:03:57 +0000 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet Message-ID: On fre 12 feb 1999 12.51 -0500 "Stephen Swann" wrote: > There were plenty of "marketable" songs on _Superjudge_. I think he > could have kept writing that kind of monstrously heavy stuff, *and* > been commercially successful. With MTV videos for "Cyclops > Revolution", "Cage Around the Sun", and "Black Balloon", I think they > could have been as popular as Soundgarden and White Zombie. There _were_ videos for several songs on _Superjudge_. They didn't get much airplay though. Insufficient support/bribes from the record company, I assume. But I think Soundgarden and White Zombie reached the height of their popularity similarly by "slickening" the production on their records, just as MM have done. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 12 20:21:08 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 01:21:08 +0000 Subject: was HW: Emperors, now Monster Magnet Message-ID: On fre 12 feb 1999 13.07 -0500 "Keith Henderson" wrote: > Carl had suggested... >> But, anyway, yes--I think spacerock will get more attention >>as a spacey adjunct of "heavy groove rock" (a term I like better >>than "stoner rock" or "doom metal") > > First off, I don't think 'stoner rock' and 'doom metal' are one and the > same. Monster Magnet/Fu Manchu/Nebula being the former, and Orange Goblin > and a whole slew of other bands I try to avoid being the latter. Well, what's in a name and a rose by any other. These labels I think get slung around a lot without being very specific. In Britain "stoner" seems to be the trendy term--with all the love/hate relationship that implies. Media hacks cheerfully apply it to Kyuss, MM, and Cathedral alike. I doubt very many people here would think of Orange Goblin as "Doom Metal" anymore! Maybe in the the US still. That's a term more likely to be kept for old Cathedral, St. Vitus when they existed, etc.: slow ponderous dirges are the key, and even Cathedral don't do much in that vein any more. Orange Goblin are far too fast and bouncy! All that stuff got thrown into "doom" in the UK before the broader, less off-putting "stoner" label popped up. Now everything in this ilk is "stoner", and the bands are scrambling to decide whether they'll sell more records by claiming to be a stoner band or by heaping abuse on the term :) Let's not forget "desert rock", a term which seems to still have currency in the States, but is seldom found in the UK. > And secondly, if I had heard someone come up to me and say they liked 'heavy > groove rock,' I would immediately think Red Hot Chili Peppers and not > Datura. I try to avoid thinking of the Red Hot Chili Peppers :) but always think of them as some kinda funk-oriented thing. I would never have thought of connecting the word "groove" with them. But this highlights the whole descriptive problem. > It don't matter to me whether there's a drug connotation with the > music that's being labelled thusly, and I say that being totally 'clean' > myself (well, for the last decade anyway). I suppose you never liked 'acid > rock' either. (Well, I never did either...but that was more because it > wasn't obvious just what sort of psychedelic bands (SF-type or > Hawkwind/krautrock-type) were being referred to...same with art rock, > perhaps the stupidest label). All true. Well, labels are generated by the media, so we can't expect too much. I dislike the term "stoner" since it conjures up an image of music made for and by people who just sit around wasted and drooling--which I don't think is the case. Where does this leave "space rock"? Well, no one has heard of it anyway, so we're safe there :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 12 20:24:53 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 01:24:53 +0000 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet Message-ID: On fre 12 feb 1999 11.52 -0800 "Doug Pearson" wrote: > That would be John McBain, who already released an excellent album and a > few singles under the name 'Wellwater Conspiracy' (great name!). Which, by > the way, sounds NOTHING like Monster Magnet - more like Syd Barrett-era > Pink Floyd or similar anglo-psychedelia (Tomorrow, Kaleidoscope, even a bit > of the Kinks circa 'Something Else'/'Village Green Preservation Society') > ... sort of along the lines of the Watch Children, the band that drummer > Jon Kleiman (sp?) was in before Monster Magnet. Sounded more Airplane-like to me in a lot of places. West Coastish I thought. Well, mileage varies :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Fri Feb 12 21:14:25 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 20:14:25 -0600 Subject: HW SAN DIEGO 2 CD BOOTIE Message-ID: I just got off the phone with Mike Coleman, and he said that they did do an encore at the San Diego gig, but not the Palace Springs show in L.A. cause he was there. So, double check ! And probably was cut to disc in 1989, because the discs have a professional lamenated picture on the Discs, not the standard Paper Labels. Someone paid some money to have these CD's cut. They weren't done on a home computer, but by a semi-professional studio. Feedback? . . . . . . . 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URL: From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Feb 13 00:16:33 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 05:16:33 +0000 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990212115241.00850100@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: >... sort of along the lines of the Watch Children, the band that drummer >Jon Kleiman (sp?) was in before Monster Magnet. aaah, now there's aband i've long been curious about, i heard 'salvidor dali's still dying' on some freakbeat 7" (which they shared w/tyrnaround doing imo *the* best 80s psych song, 'paragon-smythe' oh man, watch the walls taste soft) and i thought that they were the proverbial canine testicles but then i read somewhere that the majority of their stuff wasn't of this head fucking squelchy guitar type stuff but more in the mould of the sonics and i never bothered tracking anything else by 'em down ('cos if you want the sonics you go to the sonics), but have still hankered after a second opinion. Doug, can you enlighten me further? andrew They wear a bucket on their heads, They wear a bucket on their heads, Wake up! Wake up! -Inner City Unit From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Feb 13 00:24:09 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 05:24:09 +0000 Subject: was HW: Emperors, now Monster Magnet In-Reply-To: <149746.3127857668@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > Let's not forget "desert rock", a term which seems to still >have currency in the States, but is seldom found in the UK. well, we don't have that many deserts here, p'raps we should go for quarry rock (a personal preference) >can't expect too much. I dislike the term "stoner" since it >conjures up an image of music made for and by people who just >sit around wasted and drooling--which I don't think is the >case. hmmmmm They wear a bucket on their heads, They wear a bucket on their heads, Wake up! Wake up! -Inner City Unit From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Feb 13 01:12:01 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 01:12:01 EST Subject: HW/OFF: Doug Walker of AP Message-ID: please pass this on to doug walker....thanks! HI DOUG!!! KEEP FEELING BETTER ALLA TIME, OKAY??? larry boyd From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Sat Feb 13 10:02:42 1999 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 10:02:42 EST Subject: Hawkwind Fanzine, Strange Daze 98 CD Message-ID: Hello hawkers and fellow SpaceRockers, I'm repeating this message for those like myself that go email delete-happy, might have not read this post: Issue #7 of Hawk-U.S./Time & Space Fanzine is now printed and ready to be sent out. As a special addition to Hawk-U.S./Time & Space #7, there will be a CD-R offered on a very limited basis (still available). This CD includes one live track by all 13 bands that performed at "Strange Daze 98" (all tracks recorded at the event) in the order that they performed and comes in a jewel case with full color art. Those wanting details on ordering, the fanzine and/or the CD, please visit: http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkus7.html for full ordering info etc. Tracklist Kid From Cleveland It's Time Canis Minor Le Moons Pressurehed Black Mantra Quarkspace Prince ST 37 Oh My.. Goddamn! F/i Starspot Melting Euphoria Summer Starchild Alien Planetscapes Mr. Sparkle Hawkwind Starfire Mountain Dreaming Drumplay/Thom the World Poet Ode To Strange Daze Architectural Metaphor Sur Le Tour Born To Go Millennium Meltdown Nucleon Green Acid see ya bob http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sat Feb 13 11:27:42 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 17:27:42 +0100 Subject: HW SAN DIEGO 2 CD BOOTIE In-Reply-To: <009101be56f6$96a08b80$a7f6050c@hawkwind> Message-ID: Hi At 20:14 12.02.99 -0600, you wrote: >I just got off the phone with Mike Coleman, and he said that they >did do an encore at the San Diego gig, but not the Palace Springs >show in L.A. cause he was there. We have got a problem now The guy I have the San Diego 89 tape from told me that he made the original one by himself at the Bacchanel. And he was absolutely sure that HW didn't do an encore The tape I've got from the LA show HAS an encore !! Could you please send me a tape from the San Diego CD and I'll compare it with all tapes (I've got them all) from the USA 1989 tour Bernhard From charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET Sat Feb 13 11:57:18 1999 From: charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET (Charlie Grant) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 16:57:18 -0000 Subject: BOC: A riot of our own - BOC reference Message-ID: Has anyone read a book called 'A Riot Of Our Own' by Johnny Green? I looked through the FAQ but could find no reference. It is an account of Johnny's 3 yrs as the Clash's road manager. It contains a hilarious BOC anecdote lasting a few pages. To summarise - it involves the time around which Sandy Pearlman was going to produce the 2nd Clash album and they were invited to see BOC at the Hammersmith Odeon in London- a gig which incidentally I attended and met Mick Jones (Clash guitarist) in the foyer and got his autograph on a Spectres cover. The incident ends in a wife of a member of BOCs entourage (it doesn't say which) getting caught in the way of a food fight. Also, as I remember, Allen played keyboards on Give 'em Enough Rope. In fact - I can remember a quote at the time in which (I think it was Paul Simonon) said to Allen "I suppose you know everything there is to know about keyboards?" to which Allen replied "No" and they then went into the studio to record. Charlie Grant - Charles the Grinning Boy Charlie.Grant at lineone.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET Sat Feb 13 11:59:41 1999 From: charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET (Charlie Grant) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 16:59:41 -0000 Subject: BOC: BOC/MC 5 connections? Message-ID: For some reason I kept this: Back a while there was a discusion about how Imaginos should have been a three parter and one of the tracks was going to be the Motor Cities Burning version of CoF - Al posted the following: [Note - I thought the riff from CoF was taken from Black Sabbath's 'The Wizard'. Cities On Flame was inspired by a song by the MC5 called "Motor Citie's Burning" that I heard on a 45 back in the day. The style of it was kind of a slow blues but very electric sounding, and kind of reverby. The record was lost in one of my many moves since then and I haven't seen it on any other record but my recollection of it was it was a pretty good sounding cut, especially for the 5. After the Elektra record their stuff sonded pretty harsh. Anyway according to Sandy he got the idea for the "Cities" lyric from that song. Lately I've been thinking that "Cities" might sound pretty heavy given that kid of treatment. I've been listening to the MC5 a lot lately and I noticed some parallells with BOC's second record. Both sound very trebly and light but with BOC the agression still came through. There was a train of thought in those days that this trebly sound was good. People may think the same thing about the popularity of the "grunge" sound these days. But also certain speakers used in the studio were popular which may not have been that accurate. There wasn't so much concern with "How is this sound going to translate on home systems?". I think for any reissued to really sound hi-fi and immediate they would have to be remixed and that could be a big can of worms. Oh well. Even my cassette copy tapes of the Elektra record sound quite good. Brian Ross- Myering was the engineer and he was hot having just done the first Chicago record which was riding the charts at the time. Let's hope they come out. Cheers, Al -----Original Message----- From: DASLUD at AOL.COM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 07 February 1999 00:16 Subject: Re: BOC: BOC/MC 5 connections? >wow....i dunno where you guys are getting this stuff....as if the production >on "back in the usa" would be something worthy of emulation? > >plz xplain how you younger folks are interpreting that mc5 lp>>>>>considered >a HUGE disappointment at the time.... >>>>>larry > From charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET Sat Feb 13 12:01:03 1999 From: charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET (Charlie Grant) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 17:01:03 -0000 Subject: BOC: Got it on CD at last - St. Cecilia Message-ID: I have just managed to get a CD of St. Cecilia (which I already had a tape of) :-) It also has three extra on it that, and altho' I was aware of them, had never heard: Donovan's Monkey I'm on the lamb... - a version I've never heard which is really great. A fact about sneakers. It came with a lyric sheet for St.C and an explanation about who she was etc It is on the Acetato label, picture CD, with a Roman Catholic like influenced cover - sort of religious painting type picture. It really is quite good sound (apart from the first track - Gil Blanco County) it's obviously taken from a tape judging by the hiss - one with automatic level control too - remember that? Altho' the dynamics are still good. An all round good package. -- Just wanted to share my good fortune and elation with you. Charlie Grant - Charles the Grinning Boy Charlie.Grant at lineone.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Sat Feb 13 12:14:40 1999 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 18:14:40 +0100 Subject: Off: STONER ROCK (was: Emperors..., then Monster Magnet...) Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson schrieb: > On fre 12 feb 1999 13.07 -0500 "Keith Henderson" > wrote: > > Carl had suggested... > >> But, anyway, yes--I think spacerock will get more attention > >>as a spacey adjunct of "heavy groove rock" (a term I like better > >>than "stoner rock" or "doom metal") > > > > First off, I don't think 'stoner rock' and 'doom metal' are one and the > > same. Monster Magnet/Fu Manchu/Nebula being the former, and Orange Goblin > > and a whole slew of other bands I try to avoid being the latter. > > Well, what's in a name and a rose by any other. These labels > I think get slung around a lot without being very specific. In > Britain "stoner" seems to be the trendy term--with all the love/hate > relationship that implies. Media hacks cheerfully apply it to > Kyuss, MM, and Cathedral alike. I doubt very many people here > would think of Orange Goblin as "Doom Metal" anymore! Maybe in the > the US still. That's a term more likely to be kept for old Cathedral, > St. Vitus when they existed, etc.: slow ponderous dirges are the key, > and even Cathedral don't do much in that vein any more. Orange > Goblin are far too fast and bouncy! All that stuff got thrown > into "doom" in the UK before the broader, less off-putting "stoner" > label popped up. Now everything in this ilk is "stoner", and the > bands are scrambling to decide whether they'll sell more records > by claiming to be a stoner band or by heaping abuse on the term :) I?ve been to a "stoner-rock" festival yesterday (the Roadburn fest), in Tilburg/NL. Orange Goblin is indeed no "Doom Metal", just some early 70?s heavy rock. Celestial Season were more like that, a dutch band, pretty fast. Well, too fast for my senses anyway. Cathedral & Terra Firma were both quite clever Black Sabbath clones which I enjoyed pretty much. But best of all were 35007 (or Loose) and Beaver, 2 dutch bands who are doing some fast space rock. Beaver were like a cross between Queens of the Stone Age and Bedouin. They even had some sharp Rickenbacker bass guitarist. All in all it was a quite remarkable event with a good psychedelic lightshow, some PC?s with internet access and 2 big screens showing some ?70?s movies like Planet of the Apes, some Bruce Lee films and some weird early 70?s softporn movies. Cool! It was really like travelling back to those years! "Stoner-rock" is the perfect description of this event in Holland, since almost all of those bands and 90% of the audience seemed to be totally stoned! Andreas From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Feb 13 13:36:00 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 13:36:00 EST Subject: Hawkwind Fanzine, Strange Daze 98 CD Message-ID: hi there yes, i've been meaning to e-mail you since before i hooked up w/this BOC-L thang... thanks for the 'zine and the very kind words on the tape i sent>>>funny you should wish we could tour, ha ha ....around '95 we'd joke about going on the "bread and cheese" tour of europe; only two or three of us would go (or even go and split into two routes) and, having given notice in advance, meet up w/a few people to play w/us at every show...making each "show" completely different...YES YOU TOO CAN JOIN DAS LUDICROIX>>>>>>>>>>> this year, like last year, there is an extremely slim chance we could appear at strange daze>>ian souther's gonna be stage manager again...theoretically it'd be me, ian, carl anderson (back from the uk),...doug walker, (probably, health permitting)...and if lemmy's gonna be there, we might have bob mayo (ex-WARGASM) on bass. dont hold your breath; i'm not>>>>but if you've got jim lascko's ear and you wanna plug us to him, please be my guest! thought yr new issue was quite a leap from the previous one>>>would be interested in getting the cd if possible... thanx! we'll do lunch! ja ne! larry b./das l From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Feb 13 13:55:11 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 13:55:11 EST Subject: BOC: BOC/MC 5 connections? Message-ID: well, um...i'm not sure the "train of thought" had a real long "track"; enough of one, obviously, but as a kid the sound of their 1st two lp's (and the double live) was anamolous, and a barrier to my liking them more...and while their career was already ascending (more or less---dont confuse me w/someone who knows much about boc) they broke big time w/ "agents...." which l LEFT BEHIND that earlier sound... for that matter, the first mc5 i heard back then was that 2nd lp, and it turned me off to them for much too long...things woulda been different had i heard the first one first; ha ha, then i'd've been pissed at how "back in the usa" sounded>>> still, a bunch of y'all DO like that sound, so here we all are. ja ne ! >>>>larry b From adawson at CLARA.NET Sat Feb 13 15:40:09 1999 From: adawson at CLARA.NET (Andrew Dawson) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 20:40:09 +0000 Subject: HW Out of the Shadows CD Rom Message-ID: Hi folks, Just received details of Volume 3 of the Hawklogs Master series CD Roms Titled "Out of the Shadows" amd limited to 75 copies. Available in March from Vinyl Addiction in the U.K Track listing is Nottingham Rock City 1990 1) Assault and Battery 2) The Golden Void 3) Out of the Shadows 4) Snake Dance 5) Utopia 6) Ejection 7) Damnation Alley 8) Wind of Change Xenon Codex Tour Hammersmith 1988 9) Arrival in Utopia 10) The War I Survived 11) Heads Andy Andrew Dawson adawson at clara.net Into Hawkwind ? Then check out the Worldwide discography. http://home.clara.net/adawson From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Sat Feb 13 17:06:35 1999 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 17:06:35 EST Subject: Hawkwind Fanzine, Strange Daze 98 CD Message-ID: HI Larry, glad to see ya on line. It would be a good thing to see a good US psych band (in addition to all the others that is) play at the next strange daze. I hope your able to make it this year. I have no special pull with Jim Lascko in any way, but the next time I talk to him, I'll be sure to put in my 2 cents about Das L, as far as the zine, i sent out copies to contributers about a week or so before the cd was available, and as i'm already sending out over 60 complimentary cd's to bands etc, I was/am unable to afford send out copies of the disc to all contributers etc, The "freebees" that i sent out initially set me in the hole, so for additional issues with the cd will (unfortunately) necessarily require a small donation to cover packing and shipping costs. I even have to turn away my close buddies because if i were to send out the project 200+ cd's to friends etc, with no postage donation, the whole thing would fail, and I'd end up pretty hungry... as you know, this bothers me, as I always desire to give out all stuff for $0.00....anyway, the zine is still free (after postage that is) and the cdr is also free, but my pals will have to cover packing and postage see ya bob > hi there > > yes, i've been meaning to e-mail you since before i hooked up w/this BOC-L > thang... > thanks for the 'zine and the very kind words on the tape i sent>>>funny you > should wish we could tour, ha ha ....around '95 we'd joke about going on the > "bread and cheese" tour of europe; only two or three of us would go (or > even > go and split into two routes) and, having given notice in advance, meet up w/ > a > few people to play w/us at every show...making each "show" completely > different...YES YOU TOO CAN JOIN DAS LUDICROIX>>>>>>>>>>> > > this year, like last year, there is an extremely slim chance we could appear > at strange daze>>ian souther's gonna be stage manager again...theoretically > it'd be me, ian, carl anderson (back from the uk),...doug walker, (probably, > health permitting)...and if lemmy's gonna be there, we might have bob mayo > (ex-WARGASM) on bass. dont hold your breath; i'm not>>>>but if you've got > jim > lascko's ear and you wanna plug us to him, please be my guest! > > thought yr new issue was quite a leap from the previous one>>>would be > interested in getting the cd if possible... > > thanx! we'll do lunch! ja ne! > larry b./das l > From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Sat Feb 13 17:11:02 1999 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 17:11:02 EST Subject: Hawkwind Fanzine, Strange Daze 98 CD Message-ID: ooops, i posted that message to the list... From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sat Feb 13 17:35:18 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 17:35:18 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind Fanzine, Strange Daze 98 CD Message-ID: Larry accidentally posted to the list the following... >...YES YOU TOO CAN JOIN DAS LUDICROIX>>>>>>>>>>> Really, can I?? :) >carl anderson (back from the uk) You graduating soon then, Carl?? >we might have bob mayo (ex-WARGASM) on bass. This ain't the same Bob Mayo I saw playing with Robert Plant [w/ Phil Collins-Drums, Paul Martinez (ex-P.A.L./Richard Strange*)-Bass, Robbie Blunt (ex-Chicken Shack)-Guitar and Jezz Woodruffe (ex-??)-Keys] in 1983, is it? *ObHWreference: Appears on Friends & Relations II Keith H. (FAA) >larry b./das l What's the Das L. discography?? From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Feb 13 21:26:33 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 21:26:33 EST Subject: Hawkwind Fanzine, Strange Daze 98 CD Message-ID: "discography".....bwah-ha-ha..... 'ang on then >>>lb From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Sat Feb 13 17:57:39 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 16:57:39 -0600 Subject: HW: Announcing J.A.P.! Message-ID: Hey Bob, do you have Kevin Sommers e-mail address? Thanks, Stephan. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Sun Feb 14 02:39:35 1999 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 01:39:35 -0600 Subject: OFF: Music videos Message-ID: For those of you interested in music videos, I've created a music video mailing-list. To join in, you can either send a "subscribe" message to music-videos-subscribe at egroups.com or go to : http://members.xoom.com/agarc/mvdb/ and type in your e-mail in the appropriate box then click on "join group". Hope to see some of you there :-) Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ Music videos : members.xoom.com/agarc/mvdb/ Progrock ezine : members.xoom.com/agarc/rip/ My Web HQ : members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------- From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Sun Feb 14 10:59:29 1999 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 10:59:29 EST Subject: HW: Announcing J.A.P.! Message-ID: Ladies and Gentlemen ::::looks around::: please stop posting personal emails to me onto the list, I really don't pay much attention to the address it was sent from and yesterday, i posted a personal message to this list as a response to one in kind thanks bob In a message dated 2/13/99 11:12:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET writes: > Hey Bob, do you have Kevin Sommers e-mail address? > > Thanks, > > Stephan. > From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Feb 14 14:24:36 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 14:24:36 EST Subject: HW: Announcing J.A.P.! Message-ID: yes, ahem, recently made the same error, didn't i ? the novice genuflects>>>>>>>>>lb From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sun Feb 14 14:57:03 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 19:57:03 GMT Subject: Hawkwind Fanzine, Strange Daze 98 CD In-Reply-To: Bob Lennon's message of Sat, 13 Feb 1999 10:02:42 EST Message-ID: Bob Lennon writes: > Hello hawkers and fellow SpaceRockers, > I'm repeating this message for those like myself that go email delete-happy, > might have not read this post: > Issue #7 of Hawk-U.S./Time & Space Fanzine is now printed and > ready to be sent out. > As a special addition to Hawk-U.S./Time & Space #7, there will be a CD-R > offered on a very limited basis (still available). This CD includes one live > track by all 13 bands that performed at "Strange Daze 98" (all tracks recorded > at the event) in the order that they performed and comes in a jewel case with > full color art. Fascinating mag - wonderful CD. Definitely one of my better purchases so far this year. thanks! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Sun Feb 14 17:25:12 1999 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:25:12 EST Subject: Hawkwind Fanzine, Strange Daze 98 CD Message-ID: In a message dated 2/14/99 2:57:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: > > Fascinating mag - wonderful CD. Definitely one of my better purchases > so far this year. > > thanks! > jill > thank you Jill, makes it all worth while bob From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Sun Feb 14 17:50:30 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 16:50:30 -0600 Subject: HW San Diego - fingerprint Message-ID: OK, guys, here are the words that were said RIGHT before the Ejection encore. "Thank you very kindly" "You want something fast, or slow, or medium?" "...you tell us, FAST? YES?.....we have...various selection" .long pause. different voice= "At least you know the words, eh?" "Something psychedelic....?....?.." Let the detectives, detect.....GO! Hawkman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Feb 15 00:02:29 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 00:02:29 EST Subject: HW Emporors New Clothes Message-ID: since this has become in the open, i'll continue--- chris's studio equipment is still held by the former landlord; the landlord committed some transgression (i forget) and chris has slapped HIM w/a lawsuit, which he feels confident of winning. he's been getting recording gigs, though>>>he and mary have a decent cheap apartment in new bedford, and he's gotta keep his urine clean until november.... i had been avoiding them but i was cautiously impressed when i saw them last friday...am supposed to get back there next sat. i mean, they were good friends there for awhile... >>>and no, the '83 bob mayo would be someone else. ja ne! >>>larry From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Mon Feb 15 01:35:51 1999 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 07:35:51 +0100 Subject: AW: HW San Diego - fingerprint Message-ID: >OK, guys, here are the words that were said RIGHT before the Ejection encore. >"Thank you very kindly" >"You want something fast, or slow, or medium?" >"...you tell us, FAST? YES?.....we have...various selection" >.long pause. >different voice= "At least you know the words, eh?" >"Something psychedelic....?....?.." >Let the detectives, detect.....GO! OK, we've got it now. It is (as I said) the encore from the Minneapolis show!!! Bernhard From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Feb 15 07:14:56 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 08:14:56 EDT Subject: OFF: Gov't Mule [no BOC/HW] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Paul, Did you notice that GM w/Derek Trucks is playing at Higher Ground on 26 march? theo From mwood at MY-DEJANEWS.COM Mon Feb 15 08:20:48 1999 From: mwood at MY-DEJANEWS.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 13:20:48 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind Fanzine, Strange Daze 98 CD Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Feb 1999 19:57:03 J Strobridge wrote: >Bob Lennon writes: >> Issue #7 of Hawk-U.S./Time & Space Fanzine is now printed and >> ready to be sent out. >> As a special addition to Hawk-U.S./Time & Space #7, there will be a CD-R >> offered on a very limited basis (still available). > >Fascinating mag - wonderful CD. Definitely one of my better purchases >so far this year. Yep - a steal for only $5! Live Pressurehed, F/i, etc. Definitely worth a listen for all HW and space fans. And the reprints in the mag are pretty cool for those of us who aren't Kollectors and are otherwise unlikely to ever see some of that stuff (tour posters, etc.). Bravo! MWood NP: _Virtually_ - Soft Machine -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Feb 15 10:10:39 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 10:10:39 EST Subject: Hawkwind Fanzine, Strange Daze 98 CD Message-ID: yeah, too bad the 2nd part of that boneheaded CIRCUS article wasnt there.....when i was in my youthful flush of hawkwind enthusiasm there was little-to-nothing to READ about them in the states.... lester bangs reviewed "in search of space" in ROLLING STONE and "space ritual" in CREEM; i saw a review of "doremi" in a tabloid rock 'zine called ZOO WORLD...but there was always precious little to read...hell, i couldnt positively identify which guy in a picture was d brock until i "returned" in '90.... anyone know of other articles in u.s. rock mags in the early '70s? ja ne! >>>larry b From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Feb 15 09:30:24 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 10:30:24 EDT Subject: BOC gig in Apr In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I see a gig in April in Portageville, NY. Brian, looks like it might be bet. Roch. and Bflo. Any idea where this is? theo From bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Feb 15 11:21:39 1999 From: bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 08:21:39 PST Subject: BOC gig in Apr Message-ID: >I see a gig in April in Portageville, NY. >Brian, looks like it might be bet. Roch. and Bflo. Any idea where >this is? > >theo Never heard of it, but I'll check it out. "We like to come up here once or twice a year from NYC, because we know Portageville is serious about rock 'n' roll!" ;-) Brian obCD> ExtraTerrestrial Live ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Feb 15 11:38:09 1999 From: bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 08:38:09 PST Subject: BOC: Portageville Message-ID: Portageville is in the Southern Tier halfway between Geneseo and Wellsville (North to South). Not far from Rt.390. I'll definately try to be there. It's about 2-2.5hrs from Syracuse, I'd guess. Brian ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Feb 14 19:38:41 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 00:38:41 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind Fanzine, Strange Daze 98 CD Message-ID: On l?r 13 feb 1999 17.35 -0500 "Keith Henderson" wrote: >>carl anderson (back from the uk) > > You graduating soon then, Carl?? Yes--or as soon as I can, anyway. Pulling all the bits of the thesis together into something more or less coherent is a real bear. But then I'll be back to contemplating the joys of unemployment, and meditating upon the folly of my ways. May as well make some noise ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Feb 15 16:47:11 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:47:11 +0000 Subject: HW Emporors New Clothes Message-ID: On m?n 15 feb 1999 00.02 +0000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > since this has become in the open, i'll continue--- Well, there was a fair bit of discussion about what would happen when the whole "bust debacle" happened a few years back, but we've heard relatively little word on what'd become of the Bruces since! I caught a glimpse of them at the NYC show in '97, but they vaporized before I could pay my respects. > chris's studio equipment is still held by the former landlord; the landlord > committed some transgression (i forget) and chris has slapped HIM w/a lawsuit, > which he feels confident of winning. he's been getting recording gigs, > though>>>he and mary have a decent cheap apartment in new bedford, and he's > gotta keep his urine clean until november.... > i had been avoiding them but i was cautiously impressed when i saw them last > friday...am supposed to get back there next sat. i mean, they were good > friends there for awhile... Good news, then! Well, send my regards if you see them. They're good folks, if a bit ... scattered :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Mon Feb 15 19:27:21 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:27:21 +0900 Subject: HW: Tour Dates? Message-ID: Hi all, A while ago someone posted a snip from the NGs that mentioned a Hawk tour that may or may not be coming to Japan. I remember that someone went back to the NG to quiz the original poster there, but did anything get put on this list? Sorry if I missed it, it's late out here :-) Dave From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Feb 15 23:20:45 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:20:45 EST Subject: HW: Tour Dates? Message-ID: konbonwa, minna! wow, hawkwind in the land of the rising sun would be WICKID KEWL, in the vernacular...don't think they've ever been>>>> ja ne! >>>>>larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Feb 15 23:24:01 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:24:01 EST Subject: Hawkwind Fanzine, Strange Daze 98 CD Message-ID: i hear dat!!! From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Mon Feb 15 23:34:00 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:34:00 +0900 Subject: HW: Tour Dates? Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > > konbonwa, minna! > wow, hawkwind in the land of the rising sun would be WICKID KEWL, in the > vernacular...don't think they've ever been>>>> > > ja ne! >>>>>larry b I don't expect they ever will either. Still, it would liven things up a bit around here. You obviously know what the average Tokyo "Livespace" is like. Now the Hawks in a room with a maximum capacity of 4, three if you want a drink, would, as you say, be kewl. Dave From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Feb 16 05:20:32 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:20:32 -0000 Subject: HW: Tour Dates? In-Reply-To: <93514fc4.36c8f21d@aol.com> Message-ID: > konbonwa, minna! > wow, hawkwind in the land of the rising sun would be WICKID KEWL, in the > vernacular...don't think they've ever been>>>> > > ja ne! >>>>>larry b When the abortive Aussie mission was being planned, there was talk of a gig in India, on the way. I'd have gone to that! Don't suppose anyone here made it to the Deviants' shows in Japan last week? - Andy ObCD: Holy Curse - _Livin' with a Head_ mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Joe.Lofft at EXMAIL.ITEC.SUNY.EDU Tue Feb 16 07:24:56 1999 From: Joe.Lofft at EXMAIL.ITEC.SUNY.EDU (Lofft, Joe) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 07:24:56 -0500 Subject: Portageville Message-ID: > Portageville is in the Southern Tier halfway between Geneseo and > Wellsville (North to South). Not far from Rt.390. I'll definately try > to be there. It's about 2-2.5hrs from Syracuse, I'd guess. I must have missed the initial post on this one. Can someone fill me in? Joe Lofft ? b?c ? From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Feb 16 07:07:18 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:07:18 EDT Subject: Portageville In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: "Lofft, Joe" > > Portageville is in the Southern Tier halfway between Geneseo and > > Wellsville (North to South). Not far from Rt.390. I'll definately > try > > to be there. It's about 2-2.5hrs from Syracuse, I'd guess. > > I must have missed the initial post on this one. Can someone fill me > in? > > Joe Lofft > ? b?c ? The gig's 9 Apr. It doesn't say what the venue is. I'm pretty sure I'll be able to make this show... theo From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Feb 16 09:29:31 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:29:31 EST Subject: HW: Tour Dates? Message-ID: deviants in japan...well alright! From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Tue Feb 16 10:53:45 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 16:53:45 +0100 Subject: HW: German Space Party 1999 Message-ID: Hi folks Thomas Leonhard (the organizer of the German Hawkons in 1997 and 1998) asked me to forward the following message: see attachement ----> Bernhard -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Hawk99.zip Type: application/zip Size: 5196 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mwood at MY-DEJANEWS.COM Tue Feb 16 12:38:09 1999 From: mwood at MY-DEJANEWS.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:38:09 -0000 Subject: HW: The Elf & the Hawk availability? Message-ID: Hawkfans: What's the word on this CD? Is it good? Are there any US vendors are carrying it? Is there a European vendor that ships overseas and is particularly Hawk-friendly and knowledgable? MWood NP: Tasavallan Presidentti - _Lambertland_ -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Feb 16 14:11:08 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 19:11:08 GMT Subject: HW: German Space Party 1999 In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Tue, 16 Feb 1999 16:53:45 +0100 Message-ID: Ah - any chance you could resend that message in plain text or as a Word file? My machine didn't recognise Archive Zip or whatever it was and just gave me garbage. Thanks! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Feb 16 14:22:49 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 19:22:49 -0000 Subject: HW: German Space Party 1999 In-Reply-To: <199902161911.TAA26339@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > Ah - any chance you could resend that message in plain text or as a Word > file? My machine didn't recognise Archive Zip or whatever it was and > just gave me garbage. > In case Bernhard can't (inside the zip file is an Excel 5.0 workbook): the 13th north-germ?n hawkfan festival presents: SPACE PARTY 1999 free entrance, free camping for the 3rd time the north-germ?n hawkies are presenting their annual music-festival: for all friends of psychedelic music FRIDAY, June 11, 1999 Video/Slides/Chatting SATURDAY, June 12, 1999 LIVE-Music featuring: SPACEHEAD (GB) HUW-LLOYD LANGTON (GB) ZONE SIX & WELTRAUMSTAUNEN(D) The event takes place open air on the clubground of the Heavy-Metal Club TIPSY APES in HAMBURG HARBURG GERMANY AM RADELAND - NEAR "HEIN GAS" Industriegebiet/ industrial estate this is a non-commercial festival - free camping - light show - food and beverages for small money. DONATIONS ARE ESSENTIAL AND WELCOMED! The festival ground will already be open on friday - time for music, dia show and chatting! live music starts on Saturday on 20.00 h How to get there: by car Autobahn A 7, exit HEIMFELD turn right direction Harburg after 800 m turn left at traffic light (sign MOORBURG) next left again next left. after 800 m there you are (follow the noise) by train Hamburg central station take S-Bahn to Hamburg Harburg Bahnhof AT Bahnhof enter Bus No. 141 or 241, direction NEUGRABEN or BOSTELBEEK get out at "Berkefeldweg", at Nissan Car-Dealer enter Pedestrian Bridge, down left ramp, there you are STATE-OF-THE-ART HISTORY 1997 The Rakes (D) 1998 Tranquilizer (D) Nik Turner (GB) Growing Seeds (D) Tribe of Cro (GB/B) Zone Six (D) The Moor (S) Nik Turner (GB) Dark Sun (SF) Trev Thoms (GB) Alan Davey?s Bedouin (GB) Alan Davey?s Bedouin(GB) Trevor Thoms (GB) Mandragora Lightshow Klaus Adamovsky (Light Show) Society (D) For more information contact GERMANY Lucifer?s Sundream (Light) S?nke Thomas phone ++ +4120/ 519 phone/fax ++ +4122/489927 - Andy ObCD: Deniz Tek - _Got Live!_ mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mordru at FLITE.NET Tue Feb 16 14:24:00 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 14:24:00 -0500 Subject: that zip in text (non-formatted) Message-ID: the 13th north-germ?n hawkfan festival presents: SPACE PARTY 1999 free entrance, free camping for the 3rd time the north-germ?n hawkies are presenting their annual music-festival: for all friends of psychedelic music FRIDAY, June 11, 1999 Video/Slides/Chatting SATURDAY, June 12, 1999 LIVE-Music featuring: SPACEHEAD (GB) HUW-LLOYD LANGTON (GB) ZONE SIX & WELTRAUMSTAUNEN(D) The event takes place open air on the clubground of the Heavy-Metal Club TIPSY APES in HAMBURG HARBURG GERMANY AM RADELAND - NEAR "HEIN GAS" Industriegebiet/ industrial estate this is a non-commercial festival - free camping - light show - food and beverages for small money. DONATIONS ARE ESSENTIAL AND WELCOMED! The festival ground will already be open on friday - time for music, dia show and chatting! live music starts on Saturday on 20.00 h How to get there: by car Autobahn A 7, exit HEIMFELD turn right direction Harburg after 800 m turn left at traffic light (sign MOORBURG) next left again next left. after 800 m there you are (follow the noise) by train Hamburg central station take S-Bahn to Hamburg Harburg Bahnhof AT Bahnhof enter Bus No. 141 or 241, direction NEUGRABEN or BOSTELBEEK get out at "Berkefeldweg", at Nissan Car-Dealer enter Pedestrian Bridge, down left ramp, there you are STATE-OF-THE-ART HISTORY 1997 The Rakes (D) 1998 Tranquilizer (D) Nik Turner (GB) Growing Seeds (D) Tribe of Cro (GB/B) Zone Six (D) The Moor (S) Nik Turner (GB) Dark Sun (SF) Trev Thoms (GB) Alan Davey?s Bedouin (GB) Alan Davey?s Bedouin(GB) Trevor Thoms (GB) Mandragora Lightshow Klaus Adamovsky (Light Show) Society (D) For more information contact GERMANY Lucifer?s Sundream (Light) S?nke Thomas phone ++ +4120/ 519 phone/fax ++ +4122/489927 ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Feb 16 14:32:52 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:32:52 -0600 Subject: OFF: Quake II Message-ID: Any Quake 2 fragmasters out there? Just curious if anyone likes to Deathmatch with rock and roll blaring in his or her ears. There are certain cd's that really get me cised to rail folks and others that have diminished my performance. Generally the harder they rock the more I make opponents fall. My top ten cd's for fraging (inverse order) - 10. Imaginos - BOC 9. Live - Y&T 8. Machine Fish - Galactic Cowboys 7. Powertrip - Monster Magnet 6. Space in Your Face - Galactic Cowboys 5. The Dungeons Are Calling - Savatage 4. Power of Night - Savatage 3. Operation:Mindcrime - Queensryche 2. On Your Feet or On Your Knees - BOC 1. Dr. Buthcer - S/T (Oh I get cised with this one.) Music I can't frag to - King's X , Triumph and Gary Hoey. Just brings out the nice guy in me. Anybody else know this feeling of fraggin to hard rock? Got any recommendations. Starting to wear the grooves out of my Dr. Butcher, not to mention scaring away the competition. L8er Ghost in the Ruins NP - Helloween - Better Than Raw From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Tue Feb 16 15:12:04 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 15:12:04 -0500 Subject: BOC: St Cecilias of the world, throw off the chains of capitalism Message-ID: INtrigued by a CD releae of the legendary SFG session,I stumbled on this STALK FORREST GROUP St.Cecilia - L.INDIANS 98 $36 on 180 gram vinyl at http://www.ctv.es/USERS/acetato/in.htm So the questions is --yes i liek my inglish --, just how many companys have copes of this recording and 2. how on earth did this stuff make it out of the Elekrta vault? If theres a secret route, we need to exploit it. Im assuming that Elektra owns the tapes completely? What sort of claim does BOC have on these acetates these days? Exactly how many Workshop sets were sold? If i remember c'rectly, if that did well, they were thinking of releasing a cooler box set in the future... yadda yadda hey. Kicking himself for not buying the Yardbirds complete Glomelski sessions box set when it was around, Jason NP: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Tue Feb 16 15:08:53 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 15:08:53 -0500 Subject: Quake II Message-ID: I've recently started playing 'Fistful of Alice' with my forays into senseless violence and carnage. That is when I'm not playing Carmageddon, of course. > ---------- > From: BREVARD, Adrian R.[SMTP:abrevard at SHL.COM] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 2:32 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: OFF: Quake II > > Any Quake 2 fragmasters out there? Just curious if anyone likes to > Deathmatch with rock and roll blaring in his or her ears. There are > certain > cd's that really get me cised to rail folks and others that have > diminished > my performance. Generally the harder they rock the more I make opponents > fall. > > My top ten cd's for fraging (inverse order) - > > 10. Imaginos - BOC > 9. Live - Y&T > 8. Machine Fish - Galactic Cowboys > 7. Powertrip - Monster Magnet > 6. Space in Your Face - Galactic Cowboys > 5. The Dungeons Are Calling - Savatage > 4. Power of Night - Savatage > 3. Operation:Mindcrime - Queensryche > 2. On Your Feet or On Your Knees - BOC > 1. Dr. Buthcer - S/T (Oh I get cised with this one.) > > Music I can't frag to - > > King's X , Triumph and Gary Hoey. Just brings out the nice guy in me. > > Anybody else know this feeling of fraggin to hard rock? Got any > recommendations. Starting to wear the grooves out of my Dr. Butcher, not > to > mention scaring away the competition. > > L8er > Ghost in the Ruins > > NP - Helloween - Better Than Raw > From Joe.Lofft at EXMAIL.ITEC.SUNY.EDU Tue Feb 16 15:06:54 1999 From: Joe.Lofft at EXMAIL.ITEC.SUNY.EDU (Lofft, Joe) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 15:06:54 -0500 Subject: Quake II Message-ID: Has anyone played "Unreal"??? I played this on a system with a 12meg voodoo graphics card. Unbelievable... -----Original Message----- From: Hall, Russell J [mailto:russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM] Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 3:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: Quake II I've recently started playing 'Fistful of Alice' with my forays into senseless violence and carnage. That is when I'm not playing Carmageddon, of course. > ---------- > From: BREVARD, Adrian R.[SMTP:abrevard at SHL.COM] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 2:32 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: OFF: Quake II > > Any Quake 2 fragmasters out there? Just curious if anyone likes to > Deathmatch with rock and roll blaring in his or her ears. There are > certain > cd's that really get me cised to rail folks and others that have > diminished > my performance. Generally the harder they rock the more I make opponents > fall. > > My top ten cd's for fraging (inverse order) - > > 10. Imaginos - BOC > 9. Live - Y&T > 8. Machine Fish - Galactic Cowboys > 7. Powertrip - Monster Magnet > 6. Space in Your Face - Galactic Cowboys > 5. The Dungeons Are Calling - Savatage > 4. Power of Night - Savatage > 3. Operation:Mindcrime - Queensryche > 2. On Your Feet or On Your Knees - BOC > 1. Dr. Buthcer - S/T (Oh I get cised with this one.) > > Music I can't frag to - > > King's X , Triumph and Gary Hoey. Just brings out the nice guy in me. > > Anybody else know this feeling of fraggin to hard rock? Got any > recommendations. Starting to wear the grooves out of my Dr. Butcher, not > to > mention scaring away the competition. > > L8er > Ghost in the Ruins > > NP - Helloween - Better Than Raw > From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Feb 16 15:27:25 1999 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 15:27:25 -0500 Subject: BOC: St Cecilias of the world, throw off the chains of capitalism Message-ID: >just how many companys have copes of this recording and 2. how on earth did this stuff make it out of the Elekrta vault? >From what I've heard, NO copies made it out of the "Elektra vault" regarding this release. Somebody is bootlegging a vinyl release off some tapes. John From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Tue Feb 16 15:44:29 1999 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 15:44:29 EST Subject: BOC: St Cecilias of the world, throw off the chains of capitalism Message-ID: In a message dated 02/16/99 1:57:56 PM Central Standard Time, js3619 at WIZVAX.NET writes: << Kicking himself for not buying the Yardbirds complete Glomelski sessions box set when it was around, >> It's a GREAT box set... Ric From mordru at FLITE.NET Tue Feb 16 15:50:17 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 15:50:17 -0500 Subject: Quake II Message-ID: >Has anyone played "Unreal"??? I played this on a system with a >12meg voodoo graphics card. Unbelievable... Looks aren't everything. Half-life is my shooter of choice. The style, the thought that went into the design, the immersiveness, the tension, and above all else, the AI of the enemies.... This is the greatest single-player action game ever made. Though now that I've got Alpha Centauri, I think I may give it a rest for awhile. ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Tue Feb 16 16:15:36 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:15:36 -0800 Subject: Quake II Message-ID: I play Half-Life online.. much more fun than Quake2, IMO.. I listen to all sorts of stuff while fragging, Savatage, BOC, Phish... whatever.. I made a BOC model for half-life.. actually just a modified version of the helmet model with the BOC sign where the 1/2life sign normally goes on the chest emblem. It looks pretty cool though. My son and I use the model in team games, named our team the Cult.. we even have a Cult banner to spray on our kills.. Oh its fun... Having a cable modem helps a lot though, gives me that edge in these games that I would normally lack with my 40 year old reflexes... Speaking of BOC and my son.. He's 12 and loves BOC.. I was going to take him to the upcoming show here (FEB 28, 4th & B, San Diego) but its 21 and up.. he was very disappointed. Joe -----Original Message----- From: BREVARD, Adrian R. [mailto:abrevard at SHL.COM] Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 11:33 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: OFF: Quake II Any Quake 2 fragmasters out there? Just curious if anyone likes to Deathmatch with rock and roll blaring in his or her ears. There are certain cd's that really get me cised to rail folks and others that have diminished my performance. Generally the harder they rock the more I make opponents fall. My top ten cd's for fraging (inverse order) - 10. Imaginos - BOC 9. Live - Y&T 8. Machine Fish - Galactic Cowboys 7. Powertrip - Monster Magnet 6. Space in Your Face - Galactic Cowboys 5. The Dungeons Are Calling - Savatage 4. Power of Night - Savatage 3. Operation:Mindcrime - Queensryche 2. On Your Feet or On Your Knees - BOC 1. Dr. Buthcer - S/T (Oh I get cised with this one.) Music I can't frag to - King's X , Triumph and Gary Hoey. Just brings out the nice guy in me. Anybody else know this feeling of fraggin to hard rock? Got any recommendations. Starting to wear the grooves out of my Dr. Butcher, not to mention scaring away the competition. L8er Ghost in the Ruins NP - Helloween - Better Than Raw From flossbac at NLCI.COM Tue Feb 16 17:39:05 1999 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (John Majka) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:39:05 -0500 Subject: HW passport question In-Reply-To: <131154.3127746357@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: So...regarding these Earth Visitor Passports....I am in the process of filling mine out today (after delaying for several months) and I have my photos but I do not know if I am to sign them on the front or the back. Any helpful suggestions? I haven't ever had a real passport before, so I'm not sure what the procedure actually might be. Thanks John Majka flossbac at nlci.com http://nlci.com/users/flossbac/hawkwind.html From charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET Tue Feb 16 18:08:51 1999 From: charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET (Charlie Grant) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 23:08:51 -0000 Subject: BOC: St Cecilias of the world, throw off the chains of capitalism Message-ID: The Acetato label is the label that my CD version is on. My guess is they've just got a tape and have produced CD's and vinyl from it. There is quite alot of hiss on the CD. .......Charlie. -----Original Message----- From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 16 February 1999 20:09 Subject: BOC: St Cecilias of the world, throw off the chains of capitalism >INtrigued by a CD releae of the legendary SFG session,I stumbled on this > > >STALK FORREST GROUP St.Cecilia - L.INDIANS 98 $36 on 180 gram vinyl >at http://www.ctv.es/USERS/acetato/in.htm > >So the questions is --yes i liek my inglish --, just how many companys have >copes of this recording and 2. how on earth did this stuff make it out of >the Elekrta vault? If theres a secret route, we need to exploit it. Im >assuming that Elektra owns the tapes completely? What sort of claim does >BOC have on these acetates these days? > Exactly how many Workshop sets were sold? If i remember c'rectly, if that >did well, they were thinking of releasing a cooler box set in the future... >yadda yadda hey. > > >Kicking himself for not buying the Yardbirds complete Glomelski sessions >box set when it was around, >Jason >NP: >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >"It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." > -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET Tue Feb 16 18:24:12 1999 From: charlie.grant at LINEONE.NET (Charlie Grant) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 23:24:12 -0000 Subject: BOC, HW CD's from Artist's shop indy distributors. Message-ID: All, is offering 'HAWKWIND-BBC ARCHIVES' $26.95 Collection of recordings for the Beeb by England's premier space rock outfit. this is where Albert's label sell their stuff on the web. I've ordered stuff and the service is pretty good. They're also offering BOC's CE for $19.99 Charlie Grant - Charles the Grinning Boy Charlie.Grant at lineone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Feb 16 18:28:40 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 23:28:40 GMT Subject: HW: Festivals - Revealing the Unzipped Message-ID: Thanks everyone! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Tue Feb 16 18:38:40 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:38:40 +0900 Subject: HW: Tour Dates? Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: > > > konbonwa, minna! > > wow, hawkwind in the land of the rising sun would be WICKID KEWL, in the > > vernacular...don't think they've ever been>>>> > > > > ja ne! >>>>>larry b > > When the abortive Aussie mission was being planned, there was talk of a gig > in India, on the way. I'd have gone to that! > > Don't suppose anyone here made it to the Deviants' shows in Japan last week? > 'fraid not. I found out about too late. Dave From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Feb 16 18:39:52 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 23:39:52 GMT Subject: HW passport question In-Reply-To: John Majka's message of Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:39:05 -0500 Message-ID: John Majka writes: > So...regarding these Earth Visitor Passports....I am in the process of > filling mine out today (after delaying for several months) and I have my > photos but I do not know if I am to sign them on the front or the back. > Any helpful suggestions? I haven't ever had a real passport before, so I'm > not sure what the procedure actually might be. sign the back - I guess it's so your picture doesn't end up accidentally stuck onto someone else's passport. I still wish I'd had one of me clutching one of those plastic inflatable aliens. It would have looked a tad suspicious in the photo booth tho' - me struggling with a large green inflatable alien behind the curtain. Can they arrest you for things like that? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Feb 16 19:58:18 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 00:58:18 +0000 Subject: HW passport question Message-ID: On tis 16 feb 1999 23.39 +0000 "J Strobridge" wrote: > I still wish I'd had one of me > clutching one of those plastic inflatable aliens. It would have > looked a tad suspicious in the photo booth tho' - me struggling with a > large green inflatable alien behind the curtain. Can they arrest you > for things like that? Only if you're George Michael. My main concern is what to put down as my address, since I expect to be moving continents soon! I would hate to miss out on the excitement whilst still in England, but am not sure how fast the Hawkwind Emigration Control would update a new address (can't be much worse than the Home Office, who have been "processing" my visa extension since October! ;) Then there are more difficult questions ... like what to put in for cerebrum scan!? (Yes? ;) Other classification? Etc.? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Feb 16 19:59:20 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 00:59:20 +0000 Subject: HW passport question Message-ID: On tis 16 feb 1999 23.39 +0000 "J Strobridge" wrote: > sign the back - I guess it's so your picture doesn't end up accidentally > stuck onto someone else's passport. Just think: Brock is collecting our autographs! :) Cheers, Carl ObCD: _Electric Teepee_ -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Tue Feb 16 21:10:55 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:10:55 -0600 Subject: British cash? Message-ID: Does anyone know if it's OK to send cash with passport? (pounds cash) for the CD? (I work with a British chap who sold me a 20 pound note for $32.70) Hawkman. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crow at ASCENT.NET Wed Feb 17 00:03:26 1999 From: crow at ASCENT.NET (crow) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 00:03:26 -0500 Subject: HW: Third time lucky Message-ID: I just picked up my first "real" HW cd, UNDISCLOSED FILES/ADDENDUM. I say real because my first try was a 4 song ep called QUARK, STRANGNESS & CHARM. This sounded to me like the extended dance mix version of space rock. I found out later that this was not a good first choice. My second try was WARRIOR ON THE EDGE OF TIME. Due to a mix up at the factory, I have a cd that reads HW but the music is some one else (possibly PENDRAGON, correct me if I'm wrong). Now UF/A is HW, and I am pleased. The high-points of this cd for me are HEADS and SONIC ATTACK. The only low point is GHOST DANCE, but I've only listened to the cd a few times so all that could change. And yes, I do plan on getting more HW. crow -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Hawktales at AOL.COM Wed Feb 17 00:21:49 1999 From: Hawktales at AOL.COM (- Anonymous) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 00:21:49 EST Subject: HW: The Elf & the Hawk availability? Message-ID: The new Hawkwind Elf and the Hawk is in stock. The cd is $20.00 and the double album is $28.00. Both of these prices include shipping and handling. The album is a double vinyl with special inner sleeves and a poster. There is also two previously unreleased tracks on the vinyl only. I have the new Hawkwind cd In Your Area for $18.00 including shipping and handling. We carry the latest in Ozric - all the rereleases and the last two cd's. All are in stock and waiting to blow your mind at the low price of $18.00 each which includes packaging and they are specially coded with Hawkwind dust just like powdered toast cereal (a special thanks to Nik) Pungent Effulgent, Strangeitude, Jurassic Shift, Erpland, Curious Corn all $18.00 each. Afterswich is $21.00. Spice Doubt is $26.00. One left with a leak that I will let go for $23.00. These are the last ones known in existence for sale. Peace and Love, Jim Collins P. O. Box 307 Crete, Illinois 60417 (708) 755-5421 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Feb 17 05:24:51 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:24:51 +0000 Subject: BOC: St Cecilias of the world, throw off the chains of capitalism In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Rocker22 at AOL.COM writes >In a message dated 02/16/99 1:57:56 PM Central Standard Time, >js3619 at WIZVAX.NET writes: > ><< Kicking himself for not buying the Yardbirds complete Glomelski sessions >box set when it was around, >> > >It's a GREAT box set... > >Ric The t-shirt didn't last too long, but the badge was nice as well :) -- Jon From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Feb 17 05:55:56 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:55:56 +0000 Subject: HW: Third time lucky Message-ID: On ons 17 feb 1999 00.03 -0500 crow wrote: > I just picked up my first "real" HW cd, UNDISCLOSED FILES/ADDENDUM. > And yes, I do plan on getting more HW. Brave man! IMO, _Undisclosed Files_ is far from HW's high point! More like an official bootleg :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 17 05:56:59 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:56:59 GMT Subject: HW: Third time lucky In-Reply-To: crow's message of Wed, 17 Feb 1999 00:03:26 -0500 Message-ID: crow writes: > was WARRIOR ON THE EDGE OF TIME. Due to a mix up at the factory, I have = > cd that reads HW but the music is some one else (possibly PENDRAGON, = > correct me if I'm wrong). You are absolutely right and it has become a kollectors item of some rarity now! I managed to find one myself but while I was looking I'm fairly sure there was someone else also in search of it so don't throw it away if you don't like it I'm sure you will be able to get a good trade if you offer it around. > Now UF/A is HW, and I am pleased. The high-points of this cd for me are = > HEADS > and SONIC ATTACK. The only low point is GHOST DANCE, but I've only = > listened=20 > to the cd a few times so all that could change. Sounds like you prefer the rock Hawkwind era to the punk Hawkwind period. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 17 09:30:19 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:30:19 GMT Subject: HW passport question In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Wed, 17 Feb 1999 00:58:18 +0000 Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > My main concern is what to put down as my address, since > I expect to be moving continents soon! I would hate to miss > out on the excitement whilst still in England, but am not sure > how fast the Hawkwind Emigration Control would update a new > address (can't be much worse than the Home Office, who have been > "processing" my visa extension since October! ;) Don't worry. Hawkwind are truly working with Hughes-like efficiency on this one. > Carl FoFP From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Feb 17 12:23:55 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:23:55 -0800 Subject: OFF: Quake II Message-ID: >I've recently started playing 'Fistful of Alice' with my forays into >senseless violence and carnage. Fistful of Alice? Cooper or In Chains? Can you clarify for me. Thanks. >Has anyone played "Unreal"??? I played this on a system with a 12meg voodoo graphics card. Unbelievable... I've heard people rant and rave about Unreal. Screen shots are impressive. My system is nowhere near powerful enough to run it though. >Looks aren't everything. Half-life is my shooter of choice. The style, the thought that went into the design, the immersiveness, the tension, and above all else, the AI of the enemies.... Heard some good things about Half-Life and will be trying that one soon I hope. HL uses the basic Q2 engine so I'm intrigued. >I play Half-Life online.. much more fun than Quake2, IMO.. I listen to all sorts of stuff while fragging, Savatage, BOC, Phish... whatever.. Ah a kindered spirit. I like the earlier Sav music, Dungeons,. Power of Night the really agressive stuff. I've tried Wake and Dead Winter Dead but they don't really start the adrenaline. >I made a BOC model for half-life.. actually just a modified version of the helmet model with the BOC sign where the 1/2life sign normally goes on the chest emblem. It looks pretty cool though. My son and I use the model in team games, named our team the Cult.. we even have a Cult banner to spray on our kills.. Oh its fun... Having a cable modem helps a lot though, gives me that edge in these games that I would normally lack with my 40 year old reflexes... Sounds like you have a lot of skills. Do you know of any way to get to Quake Mods to work together? I'd love to combine the Weapons of Destruction mod with one of the Bot add-ons, specifically Eraser. >Speaking of BOC and my son.. He's 12 and loves BOC.. I was going to take him to the upcoming show here (FEB 28, 4th & B, San Diego) but its 21 and up..he was very disappointed. Joe Man that sucks. The last BOC show I saw at Jaxx a man was there with his son who couldn't have been more than 13. Jaxx has an age limit but they are much like a movie theater. If the parent is with them the child can come in. No break on the ticket price however. My two oldest sons like BOC also (13 & 12), however I couldn't take them to a club setting, 12 year old is asthmatic and could never survive a night club. Wish BOC would do an outdoor venue in my area. Ghost In the Ruins NP: The Dungeons Are Calling - Savatage From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Wed Feb 17 12:39:24 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:39:24 -0500 Subject: Quake II Message-ID: > Fistful of Alice? Cooper or In Chains? Can you clarify for me. Thanks. > > Cooper From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Wed Feb 17 13:23:00 1999 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:23:00 -0700 Subject: Off: Spiral Realms Message-ID: Hi all! Can anyone please list the Spiral Realms discography?? I've 2, with another on order. I'm just curious if there's more than 3!! Thanks in advance!! Pam From artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM Wed Feb 17 13:15:37 1999 From: artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM (Gary Davis) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 13:15:37 -0500 Subject: Cultosaurus Message-ID: Hi, folks: The latest Artist Shop newsletter is out and you'll find it in its entirety at . It's filled with prog news galore, but here's a couple items of interest to BOC/Hawkwind fans. On our import preorder page you'll find the following forthcoming gem: HAWKWIND-BBC ARCHIVES Collection of recordings for the Beeb by England's premier space rock outfit. Available now on our new imports page is the following remaster from BOC: BLUE OYSTER CULT-CULTOSAURUS ERECTUS Digitally remastered reissue of the heavy metal icons' 1980 & ninth album, complete with all of the abstract artwork used for the original vinyl release. Nine tracks, including 'Marshall Plan', 'Divine Wind', 'Black Blade' & 'Monsters'. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop.com phone: 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Feb 17 13:31:47 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 13:31:47 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind '97 in '99 Message-ID: Hi there... Got my HW '97 CD in the mail yesterday! I like it...every bit as good live material as on IYA or LIS IMHO. There's no doubt that this item comes directly from the Hawks themselves, as the package was addressed by Baron Brock himself. Thirty years on, and back to the ole DIY method! And for those curious, I planned to send some sort of IMO, but when the guy at the post office said I had to mail in a form to St. Louis and pay something like $8, I said the hell with that shit, and simply sent US$ cash ($22 I think) to Honiton. I guess they accepted it ok (no angry note), but don't really know if this pisses them off or anything. I imagine US currency is nearly ubiquitous these days (esp. with the counterfeits), but still wonder if rural banks in Devonshire look funny at you when you bring it in. Couple comments on the album... With the appearance of Gremlin, that pretty much means that HW have 'covered' nearly all of the Cap'n Lockheed album in the last decade. Seems odd, doesn't it?? Though I don't mind, as the music on that album was first rate. And this '97 Gremlin bit is pretty cool...I say leave it in the set for the next year or two. Phetamine St....when I first heard DH, I thought this was the worst goddamn HW song I'd ever heard. But shortly thereafter, it began to grow on me until it was one of my favourites from that album. I still don't like the way it's recorded/mixed (perhaps the rumour of its demo status is true?), so I'm glad this live version is included. The great thing about this one is that Richard Chadwick really branches out here into some real innovative percussion. Every day I appreciate his presence in the band a little more, just like Alan Davey. Again, I think this should be in the set for awhile...I'm surprised it was only performed that one time (Leeds)...did I hear that right?? Wheels is a really cool blanga riff....in fact, it sounds quite a bit like 'I am the Eye that Looks Within' the previous opener that it has replaced. The difference being Richards' guitar sound, as opposed to Brock's. Finally, to spout off a bit.... Songs to retire (for awhile at least) Sonic Attack (simply too long, unless they make a 'song' out of it, like on the album that bears its name) Brainstorm (I'm just simply tired of it...maybe that's why I enjoyed Capt. Rizz's bit...it broke up the 'chore' of going through it once more. Is that sacrilege?) Love In Space (How many versions are we up to already?? This one (HW97) is a little different (in the way Brock sings it), but I've already heard this one enough, thank you very much.) Songs to keep A&B/tGV (Every time, please!) Aerospaceage Inferno (at least until I hear it in person) Phetamine St. (see above) Alchemy (cool riff) Gremlin (see above) Hippy (is it really the Starfire Mtn. Dreaming reworked?? I haven't listened to them back-to-back.) Songs to revive The Age of the Micro Man (they did this twice in Canada 1995, with Brock vocals. It was excellent!! And I want to hear it on disc...I've got only a muddy tape of Toronto.) Seven by Seven (one of my favourites...who would do the 'poetry' part though?) (Not Rizz, I hope.) :) Psychedelic Warlords (more like the original, not the HLL-altered version, which I didn't like) Nuclear Toy (why not?? With Chadwick coming up with his own drumming, I think the base tune has a lot of potential for a new live version. I never have heard the Weird tape version...I gather this one is quite different than the Levitation outtake?) Suppose if the Death Generator becomes a true reality, the tunes chosen will have to fit some sort of coherent theme. PW certainly does, eh? Keith H. (FAA) From mwood at MY-DEJANEWS.COM Wed Feb 17 14:14:13 1999 From: mwood at MY-DEJANEWS.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 19:14:13 -0000 Subject: Off: Spiral Realms Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:23:00 Cliff and Pam Wheaton wrote: >Can anyone please list the Spiral Realms discography?? I've 2, with >another on order. I'm just curious if there's more than 3!! There are just 3, right now: 1994 Trip to G9 1995 Crystal Jungles of Eos 1996 Solar Wind (live) I like the live one the best. Also recommended is Simon House's _Yassasim_. Great stuff. I've got 3 extra Yassasim CDs (unopened), if anyone doesn't have it yet. There was supposed to be some kind of Simon House compilation coming out on EBS, but, like everything else on the label, it must be on hold. MWood NP: King Crimson - _The Night Watch_ -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums From mwood at MY-DEJANEWS.COM Wed Feb 17 14:19:32 1999 From: mwood at MY-DEJANEWS.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 19:19:32 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind '97 in '99 Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 13:31:47 Keith Henderson wrote: >Got my HW '97 CD in the mail yesterday! >And for those curious, I planned to send some sort >of IMO, but when the guy at the post office said I had to mail in a form to >St. Louis and pay something like $8, I said the hell with that shit, and >simply sent US$ cash ($22 I think) to Honiton. I guess they accepted it ok >(no angry note), but don't really know if this pisses them off or anything. HEY - this IS good news! Sure, $22 is a lot for a new CD, but this is Hawkwind, goddamn it! Now I just have to wait for my passport application to arrive. Hope they don't run out of CDs... Thanks for the info, KH! MWood NP: Soft Machine - _Virtually_ -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Wed Feb 17 14:28:27 1999 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:28:27 -0700 Subject: Off: Spiral Realms Message-ID: Those are the ones I've got!!! And got ordered as well:) Hold one of those Yassasim for me-I've a friend who may need one:) Thanx for the info! Pam Marshall Wood wrote: > On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:23:00 Cliff and Pam Wheaton wrote: > >Can anyone please list the Spiral Realms discography?? I've 2, with > >another on order. I'm just curious if there's more than 3!! > > There are just 3, right now: > > 1994 Trip to G9 > 1995 Crystal Jungles of Eos > 1996 Solar Wind (live) > > I like the live one the best. Also recommended is Simon House's _Yassasim_. Great stuff. I've got 3 extra Yassasim CDs (unopened), if anyone doesn't have it yet. > > There was supposed to be some kind of Simon House compilation coming out on EBS, but, like everything else on the label, it must be on hold. > > MWood > > NP: King Crimson - _The Night Watch_ > > -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Wed Feb 17 15:08:39 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 21:08:39 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind '97 in '99 In-Reply-To: <199902171840.NAA29186@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: At 13:31 17.02.99 -0500, you wrote: >Phetamine St....I'm surprised it was only performed that one time (Leeds)...did I hear that right?? Yes you did Keith Bernhard From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Wed Feb 17 16:50:52 1999 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (Sonique) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 08:50:52 +1100 Subject: British cash? Message-ID: On 16 Feb 99, at 20:10, Stephan Spiegel wrote: > Does anyone know if it's OK to send cash with passport? (pounds cash) for > the CD? Yep - that's what I did, and I got my copy of HW97 pretty soon after everybody else! s. From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Wed Feb 17 21:48:20 1999 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 19:48:20 -0700 Subject: Hawkwind '97 in '99 In-Reply-To: <199902171840.NAA29186@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: > Got my HW '97 CD in the mail yesterday! I like it...every bit as > good live > material as on IYA or LIS IMHO. Most definitely! Bring on more (like one CD from each tour ever)!!! > Couple comments on the album... > > With the appearance of Gremlin, that pretty much means that HW have > 'covered' nearly all of the Cap'n Lockheed album in the last > decade. Seems > odd, doesn't it?? Though I don't mind, as the music on that > album was first > rate. And this '97 Gremlin bit is pretty cool...I say leave it in the set > for the next year or two. There is still one notable exception: I'm still waiting for "The Widow Maker," especially since Dave co-wrote it. Great, heavy riff which fits in nicely with Hawkwind '99. > Wheels is a really cool blanga riff....in fact, it sounds quite a bit like > 'I am the Eye that Looks Within' the previous opener that it has replaced. > The difference being Richards' guitar sound, as opposed to Brock's. It seems very much in the spirit of "You Shouldn't Do That" to my ears. > Brainstorm (I'm just simply tired of it...maybe that's why I enjoyed Capt. > Rizz's bit...it broke up the 'chore' of going through it once more. > Is that sacrilege?) Absolute blasphemy! That kind of heretical talk could risk excommunication from the Church of Hawkwind.... > Songs to keep > > A&B/tGV (Every time, please!) Oh yeah baybee... > Songs to revive > > The Age of the Micro Man (they did this twice in Canada 1995, with Brock > vocals. It was excellent!! And I want to hear it on disc...I've got > only a muddy tape of Toronto.) > Seven by Seven (one of my favourites...who would do the 'poetry' part > though?) (Not Rizz, I hope.) :) > Psychedelic Warlords (more like the original, not the HLL-altered version, > which I didn't like) > Nuclear Toy (why not?? With Chadwick coming up with his own drumming, I > think the base tune has a lot of potential for a new live > version. I > never have heard the Weird tape version...I gather this one is > quite different than the Levitation outtake?) And: Upside Down (perfect for Ron's vocals) Brainbox Pollution PXR5 (a personal favorite) Transdimensional Man Assassins Of Allah (oops, just kidding) > Keith H. (FAA) > Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Wed Feb 17 21:48:02 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 20:48:02 -0600 Subject: HW : warrior defect Message-ID: Thank HMG recording studio, they're the ones who swapped the two master discs at the time of the "Mass recording" Look at the Disc ID on the inside "ring" of the CD. Good copies include "Disque Americ" "Tecnidisc" "Allied" (recent) and "Mayking". Hawkman. (the one no one talks to) OHhhh, poor-boy ! ! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Feb 17 23:04:16 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 04:04:16 +0000 Subject: OT: Soft Machine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >MWood > >NP: Soft Machine - _Virtually_ > okay, this is the second time i've seen this in your tag line; i only know 1, 2, and 3, so what manner of beast is this 'virtually' andrew, just off to listen to we did it again/plus belle qu'une poubelle/ why are we sleeping as a way of revovering from entertaining friends with two an a half hrs of the moonflowers Mama 'll have to buy him a muzzle: Sit when I say "sit!" And come when I whistle -Thee Headcoatees From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Feb 17 23:14:12 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 04:14:12 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind '97 in '99 In-Reply-To: <000001be5ae9$24cdcee0$8855dacf@primenet.com> Message-ID: >There is still one notable exception: I'm still waiting for "The Widow >Maker," especially since Dave co-wrote it. Great, heavy riff which fits in >nicely with Hawkwind '99. aah yeah, that would be a good way to die; that and the right stuff (have HW ever covered that?) >> Psychedelic Warlords (more like the original, not the HLL-altered version, >> which I didn't like) yes, yes, a thousand times yes! and also from that lp: you better believe it stead o age of the microman, 25 years imo >PXR5 (a personal favorite) straight into uncle sam's.. at full pelt andrew Mama 'll have to buy him a muzzle: Sit when I say "sit!" And come when I whistle -Thee Headcoatees From Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Feb 18 03:53:13 1999 From: Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK (Neil Ward) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 08:53:13 GMT Subject: HW: Hawkwind '97 in '99 In-Reply-To: <199902171840.NAA29186@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 13:31:47 -0500, you wrote: >Phetamine St....when I first heard DH, I thought this was the worst goddamn >HW song I'd ever heard. But shortly thereafter, it began to grow on me >until it was one of my favourites from that album. I still don't like the >way it's recorded/mixed (perhaps the rumour of its demo status is true?), so >I'm glad this live version is included. The great thing about this one is >that Richard Chadwick really branches out here into some real innovative >percussion. Every day I appreciate his presence in the band a little more, >just like Alan Davey. Again, I think this should be in the set for >awhile...I'm surprised it was only performed that one time (Leeds)...did I >hear that right?? Ron performed this at Leeds because it was his home town and a lot of his friends went to this gig. This means that there is only one mixing desk copy to use, hence the quality. Neil. From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Wed Feb 17 23:44:49 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 04:44:49 +0000 Subject: See You In Black Message-ID: I don't know if this is totally irrelevant or old-hat by now, but I recall there was a little mini-discussion not too long about the SYIB lyrics. Specifically, the part about "I saw the marks on your hands..." Everyone was trying to figure out why there would be marks on her hands. Well, just yesterday I popped HF into the player for the first time in a month or two, and as I heard it, it just hit me (no pun intended)... This woman is obviously a victim of abuse and is trying to hide it...they make that pretty clear. So she's gonna wear clothes that cover her up pretty good, plus makeup on the face and all that stuff. Probably the only thing that would be exposed is her hands. And of course the blood on the coffee cup comes from a cut inside her mouth...something else she wouldn't be able to conceal. I thought that was kind of cool when I figured it out...it shows a subtlety I hadn't given John Shirley any credit for up to that point. Not that I think he's a great writer now or anything, but that WAS pretty clever. -- Nick From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Feb 18 07:27:54 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 12:27:54 GMT Subject: HW : warrior defect In-Reply-To: Stephan Spiegel's message of Wed, 17 Feb 1999 20:48:02 -0600 Message-ID: Stephan Spiegel writes: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BE5AB6.CF7BD720 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Thank HMG recording studio, they're the ones who swapped the two master = > discs at the time of the "Mass recording" Look at the Disc ID on the = > inside "ring" of the CD. Good copies include "Disque Americ" = > "Tecnidisc" "Allied" (recent) and "Mayking". > > Hawkman. > (the one no one talks to) Too much formatting stuff to wade through 8-) Sorry! 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> > ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BE5AB6.CF7BD720-- > ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Feb 18 07:49:12 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 12:49:12 -0000 Subject: See You In Black In-Reply-To: <199902181047.FAA08533@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: > I thought that was kind of cool when I figured it out...it shows a > subtlety I hadn't given John Shirley any credit for up to that point. Before you get carried away - on JS's own version (on _Red Star_), he clearly sings "I saw the marks of his hands"... Has anyone tried drinking ouzo in their coffee? I'm sure I've offered it to some boc-l guests here, but funnily enough no-one's taken me up on it. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Feb 18 08:01:55 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 13:01:55 +0000 Subject: See You In Black Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: > > Has anyone tried drinking ouzo in their coffee? I'm sure I've offered it to > some boc-l guests here, but funnily enough no-one's taken me up on it. > > - Andy > > Hmm. Shame I don't drink coffee. We've a bottle of Ouzo in the office. Could try it with tea... :-) Cheers, Rich. From Joe.Lofft at EXMAIL.ITEC.SUNY.EDU Thu Feb 18 07:54:11 1999 From: Joe.Lofft at EXMAIL.ITEC.SUNY.EDU (Lofft, Joe) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 07:54:11 -0500 Subject: Ouzo Message-ID: I drank too much of that evil liquid one night. Now if I even smell black licorice I feel like I will vomit. Joe -----Original Message----- From: Rich Lockwood [mailto:rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM] Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 8:02 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: See You In Black Andy Gilham wrote: > > Has anyone tried drinking ouzo in their coffee? I'm sure I've offered it to > some boc-l guests here, but funnily enough no-one's taken me up on it. > > - Andy > > Hmm. Shame I don't drink coffee. We've a bottle of Ouzo in the office. Could try it with tea... :-) Cheers, Rich. From mwood at MY-DEJANEWS.COM Thu Feb 18 08:38:29 1999 From: mwood at MY-DEJANEWS.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 13:38:29 -0000 Subject: OT: Soft Machine Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 04:04:16 andrew wrote: >>NP: Soft Machine - _Virtually_ > >okay, this is the second time i've seen this in your tag line; i only know >1, 2, and 3, so what manner of beast is this 'virtually' _Virtually_ is a live concert recording from March 23, 1971 in Germany. It was released on the Cuneiform Records label (RUNE100) last year. It's legit. Here's the tracklist: Facelift (10:04) Virtually (8:17) Slightly all the Time (8:12) Fletcher's Blemish (5:41) Neo-Caliban Grides (9:26) Out-Bloody-Rageous (9:59) Eamonn Andrews (4:29) All White (3:16) Kings and Queens (3:37) Teeth (9:20) Pigling Bland (4:55) The line-up is Dean/Ratledge/Hopper/Wyatt. Check out http://members.aol.com/Cuneiform2/cuneiform.html for more details. Click "Cuneiform Artists", then click on "Soft Machine." Their mail order division (Wayside Music) is very reliable - I've used them many times with no problems. MWood NP: Tangerine Dream - _Oasis_ -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Feb 18 09:03:39 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 09:03:39 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind '97 in '99 Message-ID: Neil sayz: > >>Phetamine St....when I first heard DH, I thought this was the worst >>goddamn HW song I'd ever heard. But shortly thereafter, it began to grow >>on me until it was one of my favourites from that album. I still don't >>like the way it's recorded/mixed (perhaps the rumour of its demo status >>is true?), so I'm glad this live version is included. The great thing >>about this one is that Richard Chadwick really branches out here into >>some real innovative percussion. Every day I appreciate his presence in >>the band a little more, just like Alan Davey. Again, I think this should >>be in the set for awhile...I'm surprised it was only performed that one >>time (Leeds)...did I hear that right?? > >Ron performed this at Leeds because it was his home town and a lot of >his friends went to this gig. This means that there is only one mixing >desk copy to use, hence the quality. Well, it was the quality of the studio recording I was talking about. Or rather the mix, which I can't describe what's exactly wrong with it other than I just think it sounds 'off.' Keith H. (FAA) From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Feb 18 09:47:49 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 09:47:49 -0500 Subject: See You In Black Message-ID: >I don't know if this is totally irrelevant or old-hat by now, but I >recall there was a little mini-discussion not too long about the >SYIB lyrics. > >Specifically, the part about "I saw the marks on your hands..." >Everyone was trying to figure out why there would be marks on her >hands. Well, just yesterday I popped HF into the player for the first >time in a month or two, and as I heard it, it just hit me (no pun >intended)... > >This woman is obviously a victim of abuse and is trying to hide >it...they make that pretty clear. So she's gonna wear clothes that >cover her up pretty good, plus makeup on the face and all that stuff. >Probably the only thing that would be exposed is her hands. And of >course the blood on the coffee cup comes from a cut inside her >mouth...something else she wouldn't be able to conceal. > >I thought that was kind of cool when I figured it out...it shows a >subtlety I hadn't given John Shirley any credit for up to that point. >Not that I think he's a great writer now or anything, but that WAS >pretty clever. Yup. There is a Shirley website that goes over this pretty well.... ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Feb 18 09:52:29 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 09:52:29 EST Subject: DAS LUDICROIX....the band/the premise....a "DASCOGRAPHY"...heh... Message-ID: BY POPULAR REQUEST...from one person anyway... >>>the following cassette releases by DAS LUDICROIX are available from the Betley Welcomes Careful Drivers (BWCD) label in england: "JAMMED AND STONING" ('93) indica 1/indica 2 (with the BEVIS FROND seal of approval!) "BUZZ BOMB" ('95") buzz bomb/tres lavance/time wounds all heels pt.1/we dood it a (exploration concluding in hawkmode)/ejection WRONG/DAS LUDICROIX split cassette ('95) call me up in brainland/inhale/your honeymoon in pakistan is over /viper hoedown "MOON HEALING ACTIVATION" ('96) laika (neo-serenity)/until the fuses blow/oyster on a string/ recombinance/the O-ride/chuck quacks/oki f'noki/frozen other (my wings are like a shield of steel) /glass pizza/M. H. A. /as now as when is then BETLEY WELCOMES CAREFUL DRIVERS 7 woodside, madeley, crewe, cw39ha, england DAS L/lb p. o. box 4016 plymouth, ma 02361-4016 usa From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Feb 18 10:06:50 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:06:50 -0500 Subject: DAS LUDICROIX....the band/the premise....a "DASCOGRAPHY"...heh... Message-ID: >>>>the following cassette releases by DAS LUDICROIX are available from the >Betley Welcomes Careful Drivers (BWCD) label in england: > "BUZZ BOMB" ('95") >buzz bomb/tres lavance/time wounds all heels pt.1/we dood it >a(exploration concluding in hawkmode)/ejection Ah, yes, of course...from the HW Covers All Tape III > "MOON HEALING ACTIVATION" ('96) > laika (neo-serenity)/until the fuses >blow/oyster >on a string/ Blow Oyster Cult??? :) Keith H. (FAA) From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Feb 18 10:25:35 1999 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:25:35 +0000 Subject: See You In Black In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 18 Feb 1999 12:49:12 GMT." <000601be5b3d$15b70080$5c3f63c3@default> Message-ID: > > I thought that was kind of cool when I figured it out...it shows a > > subtlety I hadn't given John Shirley any credit for up to that point. > > Before you get carried away - on JS's own version (on _Red Star_), he > clearly sings "I saw the marks of his hands"... > > Has anyone tried drinking ouzo in their coffee? I'm sure I've offered it to > some boc-l guests here, but funnily enough no-one's taken me up on it. I don't think you have, but I ain't complaining, cos I can't stand ouzo. Finished that Camembert off yet ?? :) Tim ObCD: Gov't Mule, _Trees_ From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Feb 18 10:36:53 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:36:53 EST Subject: DAS LUDICROIX....the band/the premise....a "DASCOGRAPHY"...heh... Message-ID: keith-chan... what's this "hw covers all III" tape? are you saying das l. appears on it? really? that was a pretty shambolic 'ejection'....i'd be amazed/amused if this was true; please inform.... the title "oyster on a string" refers to the ancient roman practice of inducing vomiting (while binge eating) by swallowing an oyster on a string, then pulling it back out...MMMM-BOYYYY!! ja ne! >>>>larry b/das l From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Thu Feb 18 11:07:01 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 08:07:01 -0800 Subject: Quake II Message-ID: >Fistful of Alice? Cooper or In Chains? Can you clarify for me. Thanks. That would be Cooper. Live from Sammy Hagar's Cabo joint... Slash, Rob Zombie and Sammy put in guest appearances. Not bad stuff but, I miss the old Cooper band almost as much as I miss the original BOC line up (am I living in the past or what?) >Heard some good things about Half-Life and will be trying that one soon I >hope. HL uses the basic Q2 engine so I'm intrigued. Can't say enough about this game. Couldn't stop playing till I finished. The only down side was the final few levels and the ending which I found disappointing. But the rest of the game is beyond belief. I felt like I was playing a movie... and the multi-player is a blast as well, especially with the recently patched in team play. >Ah a kindered spirit. I like the earlier Sav music, Dungeons,. Power of >Night the really agressive stuff. I've tried Wake and Dead Winter Dead but >they don't really start the adrenaline. I have on tape a really old one called Sirens (I believe.. that's the first track anyway..) which I just love. I also like the one (I'm shitty at remembering album names) with "Hall of the Mountain King" on it... If that stuff doesn't get you pumped, you're dead or in a coma... I tried a later effort, again I forget the title, it was supposed to be an opera ala "Operation: Mind Crime", featuring Jesus Jones the drug dealer or some such.. I didn't like it at all and haven't tried anything else from them since. Its too bad since the other two I have from them are some of my favorite metal ever. >Sounds like you have a lot of skills. Do you know of any way to get to >Quake Mods to work together? I'd love to combine the Weapons of Destruction >mod with one of the Bot add-ons, specifically Eraser. Can't help you there, sorry.. >Man that sucks. The last BOC show I saw at Jaxx a man was there with his >son who couldn't have been more than 13. Jaxx has an age limit but they are >much like a movie theater. If the parent is with them the child can come >in. No break on the ticket price however. My two oldest sons like BOC also >(13 & 12), however I couldn't take them to a club setting, 12 year old is >asthmatic and could never survive a night club. Wish BOC would do an >outdoor venue in my area. They never seem to do anything but club dates in my area... Haven't seen them outdoors since the late 70's when they did a huge stadium show with ZZ Top, Cheap Trick and UFO here. Luckily, they have banned smoking in all bars here in Ca. I would've bitched about this a year ago but now that I've quit smoking (after 27 years!) I'm glad. Still can't bring my kid to a show but at least I won't have to breath smoke all night. Joe From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Feb 18 12:46:48 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:46:48 +0000 Subject: OT: Soft Machine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 13:38 18/02/99 +0000, you wrote: [juicy SM stuff snipped] >MWood cheers mate! andrew Mama 'll have to buy him a muzzle: Sit when I say "sit!" And come when I whistle -Thee Headcoatees From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Feb 18 12:49:56 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:49:56 +0000 Subject: DAS LUDICROIX....the band/the premise....a "DASCOGRAPHY"...heh... In-Reply-To: <721d275d.36cc292d@aol.com> Message-ID: > (my wings are like a shield of steel) /glass well, i reckon i've *got* to have something with a reference to Batfink andrew (witing for the second coming of Swami Salami) Mama 'll have to buy him a muzzle: Sit when I say "sit!" And come when I whistle -Thee Headcoatees From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Feb 18 14:28:39 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 14:28:39 EST Subject: YOUR E-MAILS CANNOT HARM ME; ETC. Message-ID: well alright! >>>as if that whole tape isnt named from a certain OTHER show???<<< but, um, send a 90 min blank and some postage/packaging money, depending on where you are, or about $6.00 us/$8.00 other for 1st class/airmail>>>that's if you go through me>>>i'm not sure how it's done w/BWCD; haven't heard from him in quite awhile.....i'll send xtra stuff if you go through me yeah yeah BATFINK/COURAGEOUS CAT/ROGER RAMJET/MIGHTY HEROES/8TH MAN/GIGANTOR/PRINCE PLANET ja ne! >>>larry b/das l From bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Feb 18 14:33:11 1999 From: bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:33:11 PST Subject: OFF: NKL? Message-ID: I received a strange letter in the mail today from the UK concerning a lottery called the Nordwestdeutsche Klassenlotterie (NKL). Have any German or other European listmembers heard of or played this lottery? I'm not a gambler myself, but the letter has me curious as to what this NKL is all about. Thanks, Brian ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Feb 18 19:11:40 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 19:11:40 -0500 Subject: HW/OFF: Tim Blake Message-ID: Hi Folks...Just saw this item announced. Hmmmm...Blake's New Jerusalem '99, I wonder what that'll be!! Keith H. (FAA) 6th Alfa-Centauri Electronic Music Festival Saturday April 10, 1999 Concerts of Tim Blake, Redshift, T-Bass UK, RAMP, Stratosphere and others Theatre 3-in-1, Huizen, the Netherlands http://home.wxs.nl/~quantumproductions/6_alfa_festival.html#The program Headline act will be Tim Blake (ex-Gong, ex-Hawkwind) and we are very happy to announce that he will perform lots of tracks from his new Album "Crystal Island (The tide of the century)", which will be released just before the festival. Also Tim will play some Blake-classicals (of course...) like Blake's new Jerusalem '99.. Tim is very much into virtual analog these days and he will demonstrate this thoroughly... Tim is preparing a very special performance for this one and only exclusive concert, not only will his new CD-release be the first since 1995 (the 25 year Gong anniversary concerts) but also his first live performance since many years. We will come back with more details about the performance within the next couple of months...stay tuned. From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Thu Feb 18 19:42:19 1999 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:42:19 +1100 Subject: HW: Charisma era CDs In-Reply-To: <199902181515.KAA20350@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: Howdy all, After foolishly lending out my Tales from the Atom Henge CD, I'm left with precious little Calvert era on cd. Looking, it's none, in fact. Nothing wrong with having them on vinyl, if it weren't for my turntable being stuffed. To whit, does anyone know which of the Calvert-era albums are still available on CD? Looking particularly for the Hawklords album, as I don't even have that on vinyl. Any ideas? - Max Wilcox From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Thu Feb 18 20:50:18 1999 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 02:50:18 +0100 Subject: HW/OFF: Tim Blake In-Reply-To: <199902190020.TAA06432@mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: >Hi Folks...Just saw this item announced. Hmmmm...Blake's New Jerusalem '99, >I wonder what that'll be!! > >Keith H. (FAA) > >6th Alfa-Centauri Electronic Music Festival >Saturday April 10, 1999 >Concerts of Tim Blake, Redshift, T-Bass UK, RAMP, Stratosphere and others >Theatre 3-in-1, Huizen, the Netherlands > >http://home.wxs.nl/~quantumproductions/6_alfa_festival.html#The program > >Headline act will be Tim Blake (ex-Gong, ex-Hawkwind) and we are very happy >to announce that he will perform lots of tracks from his new Album "Crystal >Island (The tide of the century)", which will be released just before the >festival. Also Tim will play some Blake-classicals (of course...) like >Blake's new Jerusalem '99.. Tim is very much into virtual analog these days >and he will demonstrate this thoroughly... > >Tim is preparing a very special performance for this one and only exclusive >concert, not only will his new CD-release be the first since 1995 (the 25 >year Gong anniversary concerts) but also his first live performance since >many years. We will come back with more details about the performance within >the next couple of months...stay tuned. yes and i will be there !!!! looking forward to this great festival where you can find lots of unusual cd's and even meet the artists. it's an annual electronic festival where every year are about 700 visitors. i will make a review of the gig of tim blake. andre From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 18 20:53:44 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 01:53:44 +0000 Subject: DAS LUDICROIX....the band/the premise....a "DASCOGRAPHY"...heh... Message-ID: On tor 18 feb 1999 09.52 +0000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > "BUZZ BOMB" ('95") > buzz bomb/tres lavance/time wounds all heels > pt.1/we dood it a > (exploration concluding in hawkmode)/ejection > > WRONG/DAS LUDICROIX split cassette ('95) > call me up in brainland/inhale/your honeymoon in > pakistan is over/viper hoedown Wey hey! I'm on these :) I mostly played guitar on some tracks, except "We Dood It" which was the first time I actually played bass (thus the HW mode to some extent--I after nervously twitching at the low E string for a time, while people who knew what they were doing played more seriously, I eventually decided the hell with it and started roaming the fretboard to settle on Ye Olde Shouldn't Doe Thate Riffe :) I was terrified :) Despite, my hack guitar (not to mention neophite bass playing) I thought these recordings sounded pretty damn cool. > "MOON HEALING ACTIVATION" ('96) > laika (neo-serenity)/until the fuses blow/oyster > on a string/recombinance/the O-ride/chuck quacks/oki > f'noki/frozen other (my wings are like a shield of steel) /glass > pizza/M. H. A. /as now as when is then Not sure whether I'm on this. I think Larry said I played guitar on some of it (which months is it from, Larry?) but I've not heard it! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 18 21:01:40 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 02:01:40 +0000 Subject: DAS LUDICROIX....the band/the premise....a "DASCOGRAPHY"...heh... Message-ID: > WRONG/DAS LUDICROIX split cassette ('95) > call me up in brainland/inhale/your honeymoon in > pakistan is over > /viper hoedown Actually, now that I check, I don't have a copy of of "Call Me up in Brainland", though my tape (which I think I got from Scott Heller :) has two mysterious "Untitled" tracks on it. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 18 21:09:58 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 02:09:58 +0000 Subject: DAS LUDICROIX....the band/the premise....a "DASCOGRAPHY"...heh... Message-ID: --On tor 18 feb 1999 10.36 +0000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > what's this "hw covers all III" tape? are you saying das l. appears on it? A few years ago, the list here tried to assemble a tape compilation of all then-known HW covers. Was Das Lud on it? I don't remember that (though my tapes are in the US). > really? that was a pretty shambolic 'ejection'....i'd be > amazed/amused if this was true; please inform.... Shambolic mostly because there were 3 guitar players I think, and it was difficult to coax everyone out of the instrumental and back to the verse :) Oh, and Mike (the bass player) hadn't ever actually heard the song before; I remember someone explaining the chords (all three!) to him :) Fine shambolic recording, there are worse official Hawkwind releases :) That whole jam was up in the loft-balcony of someone's house and "Ejection" was the kind of "set closer". It seemed to me like there were suddenly a whole bunch of random people standing around grooving while Das Lud howled its way through "Ejection". *Very* ad hoc! But it did rock :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Feb 19 01:45:15 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 01:45:15 EST Subject: DAS LUDICROIX....the band/the premise....a "DASCOGRAPHY"...heh... Message-ID: oh yes, rocked it did...and bassist mike "previously unconsidered uses for shampoo bottles and light bulbs" chesk was lost more often than he was on.... the party which produced "buzz bomb" was originally scheduled to be a gig for my revived 'real' band, DISARRAY, as i was supposedly on the hawkwind '95 us tour crew (as was guitarist ian souther) and wouldnt be around for a previously-scheduled DISARRAY gig. WELL>>>>> earlier that week the HW crew assembled in mass. was confirmed/hired, and then dumped, on consecutive days by doug smith, in favor of a crew from ohio...ahem...who had their own truck. (if memory serves...). the day after THAT a certain bitter phone call put an abrupt end to DISARRAY. heck of a week it was...but there was still gonna be a party, requiring SOME kinda show to go on, as they say... the best of that night is the DAS LUDICROIX cassette release "BUZZ BOMB", with a mostly-3-guitar attack, including the crunchy rhythm and brockian leads of one CARL ANDERSON....the circumstances of the night led to quite a bit of "pounding into oblivion", as the saying goes, continuing the DL tendency towards improvisation of the "1-2-3-go" sort. those inclined to music of this sort would be rewarding themselves in the acquisition of this this hunka hunka burnin DAS LUDICROIX NO SONGS/NO REHEARSALS/NO SET LINEUP/NO BUDGET SHOW UP/ LIGHT UP/TURN UP "AS NOW AS WHEN IS THEN" (****or else it's all a buncha crap) ja ne! >>larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Feb 19 01:50:29 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 01:50:29 EST Subject: "DASCOGRAPHY"...heh.. >>split cassette<< Message-ID: you're on "pakistan" (which you oughta have on another tape of that night) and "hoedown" which is just a short excerpt in reverse...i guess thurston moore of SONIC YOUTH was pals w/WRONG, the other band on that tape, and sent away for "JAMMED AND STONING"/"BUZZ BOMB" as a result of that tape... From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Feb 19 01:56:18 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 01:56:18 EST Subject: DAS LUDICROIX....the band/the premise....a "DASCOGRAPHY"...heh... Message-ID: "MOON HEALING ACTIVATION' , a 90 minute release, including 40 mins of rare CARL ANDERSON audio footage, was compiled from the DAS LUDICROIX shows of july, september, and october '95 >>>lb From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Fri Feb 19 02:46:52 1999 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:46:52 -0700 Subject: To MWood: re Yassasim Message-ID: Sorry about the private post on-list folx:) Marshall: My friend wants to know your price for this!!! Let me know please, privately Pam From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 19 04:33:22 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:33:22 +0000 Subject: "DASCOGRAPHY"...heh.. >>split cassette<< Message-ID: On fre 19 feb 1999 01.50 +0000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > you're on "pakistan" (which you oughta have on another tape of that night) and > "hoedown" which is just a short excerpt in reverse...i guess thurston moore of > SONIC YOUTH was pals w/WRONG, the other band on that tape, and sent away for > "JAMMED AND STONING"/"BUZZ BOMB" as a result of that tape... Oh yes, I have "Pakistan" as well. And closer examination shows the tape is actually from you :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 19 05:37:34 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:37:34 +0000 Subject: OFF: DAS LUDICROIX....the band/the premise....a "DASCOGRAPHY"...heh... Message-ID: On fre 19 feb 1999 01.45 +0000 DASLUD at aol.com wrote: > oh yes, rocked it did...and bassist mike "previously unconsidered uses for > shampoo bottles and light bulbs" chesk was lost more often than he was on.... Luckily, there's not to far one can wander dangerously in "Ejection". Playing it was a considerable relief to me as that was exactly the second time I'd played guitar in the company of people who knew what the hell they were doing. At least I could slash away at the Ejection chords and know more or less that I was playing something which sounded approximately like it was supposed to :) > the party which produced "buzz bomb" was originally scheduled to be a gig for > my revived 'real' band, DISARRAY, as i was supposedly on the hawkwind '95 us > tour crew (as was guitarist ian souther) and wouldnt be around for a > previously-scheduled DISARRAY gig. > WELL>>>>> > earlier that week the HW crew assembled in mass. was confirmed/hired, and then > dumped, on consecutive days by doug smith, in favor of a crew from > ohio...ahem...who had their own truck. (if memory serves...). the day after > THAT a certain bitter phone call put an abrupt end to DISARRAY. heck of a week > it was...but there was still gonna be a party, requiring SOME kinda show to go > on, as they say... Ah, yes. I remember Chris Bruce talking about you guys getting pissed about with by HW management. I think I saw Disarray or something like it at some party in '94. The jam afterwards was the _first_ time I played with people who knew what they were doing :) Must have been '94 since I only had my little red Charvette guitar then. > the best of that night is the DAS LUDICROIX cassette release "BUZZ BOMB", > with a mostly-3-guitar attack, including the crunchy rhythm and brockian leads > of one CARL ANDERSON.... Huh! More like Carl going "Ye gods! I'm surrounded by people who can play their instruments. I'm gonna get my ass kicked." Thus, lean on wah pedal and noodle, and retreat into rhythm power-chord chopping when all else fails :) My primary perception was of Ian Souther being pretty much on fire, playing through some amp which looked like the bastard off-spring of an old stereo and a hair-dryer. Ian can really let it rip. > "MOON HEALING ACTIVATION', a 90 minute release {...} was compiled > from the DAS LUDICROIX shows of july, september, and october '95 I remember some outdoor party where there was another drummer with a stupendous amount of kit, and a guitarist who came with him and knew what he was about (and yet another guitarist who almost had to be physically restrained from playing the Dead's "Fire on the Mountain" riff every 10 minutes ;) And I remember an indoor jam in Sudbury which quite horrified me as _no_ other guitar players turned up. No else behind which to hide! Goldangit, that was a bastard :) I vaguely recall Scott saying you hadn't been happy with the sound on a lot of those recordings--I guess you rescued some. Must hear them sometime! The sound on Buzzbomb is pretty damn good, I think. Especially considering the somewhat battered nature of the "recording console" :) Ah, those were the days. I've seldom had so much fun as at those jams. The jams I've organized in Cambridge just haven't been in the same space. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Fri Feb 19 06:28:17 1999 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 22:28:17 +1100 Subject: HW/OFF: Tim Blake Message-ID: On 18 Feb 99, at 19:11, Keith Henderson wrote: > Hi Folks...Just saw this item announced. Hmmmm...Blake's New Jerusalem > '99, I wonder what that'll be!! Slightly off topic, Gong are planning some sort of reformation thing for next year called "Gong 2000". They've sent out an email on the Gong/GAS list listing most past gong members and offering prizes for whoever guesses the correct (or most humurous) line up S. -- PO Box 884 Paul Ward Mt Waverley http://sonique.net VIC 3149 (time permitting) Mob:0418 524744 sonique at sonique.net From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Feb 19 07:59:22 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:59:22 GMT Subject: HW: Charisma era CDs In-Reply-To: Max Wilcox's message of Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:42:19 +1100 Message-ID: Max Wilcox writes: > Howdy all, > > After foolishly lending out my Tales from the Atom Henge CD, I'm left with > precious little Calvert era on cd. Looking, it's none, in fact. Nothing > wrong with having them on vinyl, if it weren't for my turntable being > stuffed. > To whit, does anyone know which of the Calvert-era albums are still > available on CD? Looking particularly for the Hawklords album, as I don't > even have that on vinyl. Any ideas? I've got a spare copy of the Hawklords Live CD. Let me know if you're interested. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Feb 19 08:14:50 1999 From: brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Brian Coulthard) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 13:14:50 -0000 Subject: Amon Duul In-Reply-To: <199902191000.FAA17540@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: > I have just got the Calvert/Amon Duul CD and listened to it a couple of times I am mighty impressed with it it seems unusual to listen a CD of completely new material a pleasant change. Does anyone know who the other artists are Penguin Hawk etc the only name I recognise is Tony Mcphee of Groundhog fame. It would have been interesting to see where this project would have lead. On the slightly negative note I got the Hawk Fairies CD at the same time which is okay for a laugh the nicest thing I can say is that it is not as bad as I feared. I just knew my Cd purchases could not keep on such a high note IYA and HW97 then Amon Duul. On the subject of HW songs that could stand revival I vote for High Rise > > > From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Fri Feb 19 10:53:03 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:53:03 -0600 Subject: See You In Black Message-ID: Rich Lockwood wrote: > > Andy Gilham wrote: > > > > > Has anyone tried drinking ouzo in their coffee? I'm sure I've offered it to > > some boc-l guests here, but funnily enough no-one's taken me up on it. > > > > - Andy > > > > > > Hmm. Shame I don't drink coffee. We've a bottle of Ouzo in the office. Could > try it with tea... > > :-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. Tastes good with Coke too. Laj. From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Feb 19 11:03:41 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 16:03:41 +0000 Subject: Off: Heavy drinking Message-ID: > > > > > > > > > Has anyone tried drinking ouzo in their coffee? I'm sure I've offered it to > > > some boc-l guests here, but funnily enough no-one's taken me up on it. > > > > > > - Andy > > > > > > > > > > Hmm. Shame I don't drink coffee. We've a bottle of Ouzo in the office. Could > > try it with tea... > > > > :-) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rich. > > Tastes good with Coke too. > > Laj. Now ain't that the truth. (BTW, if there are any real beer drinkers out there in London, the Three Greyhounds was selling Timothy Taylor Landlord earlier this week... :-) Hic. Cheers, Rich. ** Tony Blair is the second wife of Enoch Powell ** From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Feb 19 10:09:01 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:09:01 EDT Subject: See You In Black In-Reply-To: <36CD88DF.9DC7ECD6@dlcwest.com> Message-ID: > From: Laj Waldner > > Tastes good with Coke too. > Everything tastes good with coke... theo From henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Fri Feb 19 10:36:55 1999 From: henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 16:36:55 +0100 Subject: HW: Compilation from BWR. Message-ID: Hi there! Just got this info from BWR concerning the SCI-FI tribute double CD. "The 2cds+book incl.Hawkwind,R.Totem,P.Chain,ST37,Spacehead,Nattvinden Grat,Krel....is a tribute to SCI-FI movies-ready in Sept-OCTOBER we think,he's a very great project like the HORROR TRIBUTE we just released" Since they are saying that they "think" it should be ready in autumn I?m sure that it?ll be out next year. Enjoy the weekend Peace of mind records / Henrik ========================================================== Peace of Mind Records c/o Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: peaceofmind at telia.com Peace of mind records website: http://hem.passagen.se/hawkwind/ Fax +46 (0)70 6101310 / Phone +46 (0)70 6743729 From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Fri Feb 19 13:09:52 1999 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 19:09:52 +0100 Subject: Amon Duul Message-ID: Brian Coulthard schrieb: > > I have just got the Calvert/Amon Duul CD and listened to it a couple of > times I am mighty impressed with it it seems unusual to listen a CD of > completely new material a pleasant change. Does anyone know who the other > artists are Penguin Hawk etc the only name I recognise is Tony Mcphee of > Groundhog fame. It would have been interesting to see where this project > would have lead. On the slightly negative note I got the Hawk Fairies CD at > the same time which is okay for a laugh the nicest thing I can say is that > it is not as bad as I feared. I just knew my Cd purchases could not keep on > such a high note IYA and HW97 then Amon Duul. > On the subject of HW songs that could stand revival I vote for High Rise > > > > > > Hawk & Penguin are Dave Anderson (ex-Hawkwind/ex-AmonDuul2) and John Weinzierl (AmonDuul2). Ed Ozric Wynne is the main person of Ozric Tentacles & Joey Ozric was the keyboarder of the first Ozric Tentacles line-up and he?s in Eat Static now. Julie Waring sang background vocals on Calvert?s Test-tube conceived album. Don?t know the others. Andreas From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Fri Feb 19 15:32:47 1999 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:32:47 GMT Subject: OFF: Drinking Ouzo In-Reply-To: <000601be5b3d$15b70080$5c3f63c3@default> Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: >Has anyone tried drinking ouzo in their coffee? I'm sure I've offered it to >some boc-l guests here, but funnily enough no-one's taken me up on it. The only proper way of drinking ouzo is, to be cooled: 1. Internally - with ice inside; the ouzo getting white and dense. 2. Externally - frig chilled, or ice around the glass; the ouzo getting oily and dense. Optional snack: Fresh salad containing tomatos, olives, cucumbers, onions, marjoram and greek cheese (not necessary all at once). Any other way of drinking ouzo (other temperature, additives, or snack) is a taste crime. And a special crime for your health is if you drink something else alcocholic along ouzo, eg. beer. How do I know that? Well, I am from where it originates... or pretty close. -- Goran From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Fri Feb 19 15:32:50 1999 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:32:50 GMT Subject: Ouzo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lofft, Joe wrote: >I drank too much of that evil liquid one night. Now if I even smell >black licorice I feel like I will vomit. Next time follow the manual instructions I've just sent. :-) -- Goran From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Feb 19 16:07:35 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 21:07:35 +0000 Subject: OFF: Drinking Ouzo In-Reply-To: <36cfc4af.2314456@smtp.softhome.net> Message-ID: >Andy Gilham wrote: > >>Has anyone tried drinking ouzo in their coffee? I'm sure I've offered it to >>some boc-l guests here, but funnily enough no-one's taken me up on it. Given up on absinthe then? -- Jonny K. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Feb 19 18:09:12 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 23:09:12 -0000 Subject: HW/OFF: Deviants Message-ID: I see that Forced Exposure (www.forcedexposure.com) are now stocking the following: DEVIANTS: Have Left The Planet CD (CT 163). "New recordings + live + rare tracks. Feat.: A. Colquhoun, P. Rudolph, L. Wallis, A. Powell, etc. Japan only." Includes live material from LA (1995), Terrastock (1997), London (1977), Terrastock2 (1998). $18.00 In fact I just ordered one! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Feb 19 18:09:13 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 23:09:13 -0000 Subject: Drinking Ouzo In-Reply-To: <36cfc4af.2314456@smtp.softhome.net> Message-ID: > How do I know that? Well, I am from where it originates... or pretty > close. Where are you from, Goran? Wasn't it somebody in your neighbourhood that invented slivovitz? Or "evil incarnate" as it's better known? Yo Jon! Isn't there someone in London importing absinthe? I'm working my way through a bootload of reasonably priced French reds and bieres de garde, anyway... :) ObBOC: gotta hand it to Bloom, he changed the line about ouzo in your coffee, too... - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Fri Feb 19 18:45:11 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:45:11 -0800 Subject: BOC in S.D. Message-ID: Hey folks... Just wondering if any listers will be at the San Diego show next week.. My wife and I will be there. It will be our 23rd BOC show (as best I could count) the first one being in 1974... our first date. I was 15. To quote another (and very different) band, "what a long, strange trip its been.." I just wish the boys would let me choose the setlist :-) Joe From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 19 19:04:47 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 00:04:47 +0000 Subject: Drinking Ouzo Message-ID: On fre 19 feb 1999 23.09 +0000 "Andy Gilham" wrote: > Yo Jon! Isn't there someone in London importing absinthe? Scott Heller made some absinthe in Boston once. It was pretty tasty! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Feb 19 20:08:47 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 01:08:47 +0000 Subject: Drinking Anything. At All. In-Reply-To: <000101be5c5c$dda55860$5a3f63c3@default> Message-ID: In message <000101be5c5c$dda55860$5a3f63c3 at default>, Andy Gilham writes >Yo Jon! Isn't there someone in London importing absinthe? I'm working my >way through a bootload of reasonably priced French reds and bieres de garde, >anyway... :) Excellent work, dear boy. I am presently working my through *anything*alcoholic*at*all! I am trying to find *somewhere* within walking distance of my house that can mix a decent margarita, without much luck. I have tried various attempts that range from seawater'n'lime to lemon hooch presented as a grownup's drink. I would be grateful for any pointers. I did have one remarkably good one in a Mexican restaurant whose name escapes me, so I know they exist. That and 2 bottles of Minervois Red and 3 pints of Holsten. I would now like to talk to someone that isn't a fucking corpse in some chat room somewhere. Some chance. Someone did mention Simon Houses High Tide on the Cardiacs list today, though, so my dial-up wasn't a complete waste of time. -- Jonny K. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 19 20:49:27 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 01:49:27 +0000 Subject: Drinking Anything. At All. Message-ID: On l?r 20 feb 1999 01.08 +0000 "Jon Browne" wrote: > I would now like to talk to someone that isn't a fucking corpse in some > chat room somewhere. Some chance. You're on the wrong internet, man ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Fri Feb 19 22:38:52 1999 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 22:38:52 -0500 Subject: Off: Can someone please forward info for... Message-ID: I need to subscribe from a new Email address, and cancel this one. My ISP has changed it's domain name. My email is now... sprawl at bboard.com Thanks in advance for help... From crow at ASCENT.NET Fri Feb 19 23:42:22 1999 From: crow at ASCENT.NET (crow) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 23:42:22 -0500 Subject: OFF: SHADOW GALLERY Message-ID: Has any one out there heard of the band SHADOW GALLERY? I came across the name as I was looking at things on the cdnow website and wondered how they were. Any help would be appreciated. crow -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Sat Feb 20 01:55:21 1999 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 00:55:21 -0600 Subject: OFF: SHADOW GALLERY Message-ID: >Has any one out there heard of the band SHADOW GALLERY? >I came across the name as I was looking at things on the cdnow >website and wondered how they were. Any help would be >appreciated. Yeah, I have their second CD, "Carved in stone". They're a progressive rock band, leaning towards metal. But it's really very good if you're into that kind of music. It's one of my favorite prog albums. If you like Dream Theater, for instance, you should like this too. They have a new album out, called "Tyranny", which is from what I hear even better than "Carved in stone" ! Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ Music videos : members.xoom.com/agarc/mvdb/ Progrock ezine : members.xoom.com/agarc/rip/ My Web HQ : members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------- From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM Sat Feb 20 03:47:00 1999 From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (BL Young) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 00:47:00 -0800 Subject: HW: passports and HW97 Message-ID: Hi, I've been off the list for awhile and I'm not clear on the HW97 cd. I've ordered HW IYA from ubl.com and it's been shipped already. (They charged my $11.99 plus shipping, I think.) But how do I get this other cd? Is it too late to get a passport? Would it be easier to buy an extra copy from somebody? (Assuming that you can order 2 copies with your passport...) Thanks for your replies. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Young CANADA blyoung AT bigfoot DOT com ----------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/Area51/7118 SF Reading Club http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 Hawkwind http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/6878 IFHL-FLA ----------------------------------------------------------- "20 minutes goes by pretty fast when you're on a breakaway" From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Sat Feb 20 02:35:15 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 01:35:15 -0600 Subject: HW : LIVE 70 73 Message-ID: Can anyone tell me if the LP music on Live 70-73, ever make it to a CD yet? Thanks, Hawkman P.S. Same question : "Roadhawks" the LP? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From plamotte at SKYNET.BE Sat Feb 20 07:03:52 1999 From: plamotte at SKYNET.BE (Po) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 12:03:52 +0000 Subject: Mandragora in concert. Message-ID: A NEW PSYCH SPACE NIGHT NOT TO BE MISSED ! MANDRAGORA (uk) + TRIBE OF CRO (uk) + AUM (b) Friday 12th March 1999. Everyone has heard of the Simon Williams Mandragora, they have a brand new album called 'Pollen' and they are travelling straight from UK to make this gig in Belgium. Tribe of Cro, the psych-trippy band from Brighton, is coming with them to enhance the pleasure! Third band of the night, Aum is this Spacerock, Gonguesque, Ozrician band with tentacles everywhere. They are playing on their ground as they are actually coming from Liege in Belgium. It's happening in Liege, in Belgium, in Europe (for those who don't know about geography). In a venue called 'La Zone', Quai de l'Ourthe, 42 - 4000 Li?ge - B Doors 9 pm - Tickets 250 bef For more infos, tel. : + 32 43 41 07 27 (ask Jean) fax. : + 32 43 37 48 18 e-mail : LaZone at skynet.be Hope to see everyone of you in Liege. For those who understand french, here is a little text to present the event. L'?volution musicale constante de Mandragora depuis les d?buts dans les ann?es '80 en a fait une r?f?rence incontournable d?s qu'on ?voque le n?o-psych ou le spacerock. Pour aborder le tournant du mill?naire, Mandragora s'est donn? un nouveau souffle : "Pollen", sorti en '98 sur Delerium, r?v?le en effet une facette du talent de Simon Williams qu'il qualifie de "world dance". L'orientation actuelle les rapproche de Suns of Arqa ou Afro Celt Sound System par un apport dance/techno/dub/drum 'n' bass aux multiples influences ethniques d?j? pr?sentes dans les atmosph?res envo?tantes du rock spatial arabisant de Mandragora. Global music to dance your head off to ! Tribe of Cro vient d'encha?ner une mini-tourn?e en Allemagne et l'enregistrement du quatri?me album. Les atmosph?res trippy jazz/kraut/spacerock constituent toujours l'essentiel, mais le groupe s'est dirig? vers un dark ambient plus structur?. Cro business for cro people ! Faut-il encore pr?senter Aum ? De retour d'une tourn?e intergalactique qui les a ?loign?s six mois des sc?nes de la Terre, le groupe li?geois fait sa rentr?e en '99 sur la sc?ne de La Zone, avec son spacerock color? d'influences de Gong et d'Ozric Tentacles. Dany et Gulu, les DJ d'Indica Sound System seront aux commandes du vaiseau pour appareiller dans la nuit vers des horizons inconnus peupl?s de cr?atures cosmiques. Pour tout renseignement, n'h?sitez pas ? nous contacter. Merci. From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Sat Feb 20 07:30:13 1999 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 23:30:13 +1100 Subject: HW/OFF: Deviants Message-ID: Interestingly, my German supplier is now listing two Japanese pressings: Mick Farren - Vampires stole my lunch money (Japanese Pressing) Mick Farren & The Deviants - Fragments of Broken Promises (Jap) Soniqu? (in Bilby mode ) -- PO Box 884 Paul Ward Mt Waverley http://sonique.net VIC 3149 (time permitting) Mob:0418 524744 sonique at sonique.net From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Feb 20 10:08:54 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 15:08:54 +0000 Subject: HW/OFF: Deviants In-Reply-To: <000001be5c5c$dccb2500$5a3f63c3@default> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Feb 1999, Andy Gilham wrote: > I see that Forced Exposure (www.forcedexposure.com) are now stocking the > following: > > DEVIANTS: Have Left The Planet CD (CT 163). "New recordings + live + rare > tracks. Feat.: A. Colquhoun, P. Rudolph, L. Wallis, A. Powell, etc. Japan > only." Includes live material from LA (1995), Terrastock (1997), London > (1977), Terrastock2 (1998). $18.00 Is that Alan HW/Nikwind Powell? If so, when did he hook up with the Deviants? Yours, Jon -- /_______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Epsilon oscillator psychotronic attenuation shift - AFFIRMATIVE!" | | ICU | \_______________________________________________________________________/ From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Feb 20 10:06:49 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 10:06:49 EST Subject: BOC in S.D. Message-ID: gee, dunno as if i'd mingle a grateful dead cliche w/BOC....just ain't right... From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Feb 20 10:09:11 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 10:09:11 EST Subject: Drinking Anything. At All. Message-ID: and for these purposes,what exactly would constitute "not being a f***ing corpse?" yoost vonderink>>>larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Feb 20 10:14:14 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 10:14:14 EST Subject: HW : LIVE 70 73 Message-ID: i believe everything on "70-73" and 'roadhawks" has shown up SOMEWHERE on cd...only "new' bit on "roadhawks" was that live edit of "you shouldnt do that" which ended up on "stasis" (i think) ja ne! >>>larry b From flossbac at NLCI.COM Sat Feb 20 10:17:23 1999 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (John Majka) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 10:17:23 -0500 Subject: HW : LIVE 70 73 In-Reply-To: <001e01be5caa$50073d40$7af6050c@hawkwind> Message-ID: At 01:35 AM 2/20/99 -0600, you wrote: > Can anyone tell me if the LP music on Live 70-73, ever make it to a CD >yet? Everything from both the "Live 70-73" and "Roadhawks" albums is on CD, but not under these titles. You can find the 70-73 stuff scattered across stuff like Bring Me the Head of Yuri Gagarin, and on compilations as well as the actual albums, you can easily collect everything that was on Roadhawks, which was just a compilation anyway. John Majka flossbac at nlci.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Feb 20 10:46:48 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 10:46:48 EST Subject: OFF: DAS LUDICROIX....the band/the premise....a "DASCOGRAPHY"...heh... Message-ID: OH, SUCH JAMMING IS A RARE AND WONDROUS THING... shouldnt be quite as elusive as it ends up being...the cumulative state of mind taking place in the best jamming ( a phrase which would mean a vareiety of things to a variety of people) is to me comparable to the best, most profound, sex>>> every move anticipated and returned in kind>>>my best jamming experiences and best sexual experiences are the most precious memories i possess>>>but anyway>>> ian souther is a truly PSYCHEDELIC guitarist. it isnt necessarily every guitarist's aspiration to be such, but there's no doubt that HE IS... the outdoor show of 7/95 was funny....2 guys from a christian band mixed in w/us heathens, and they were welcome, 'coz that's the kind of non-band we are...furnell (w/the grateful dead fixation) was too drunk to play, and mike "it'll fit if you give it a push" chesk was too drunk to STOP playing...i recall one moment in the midst of drumming, having been awake round the clock, reaching in for "something extra", and it wasnt there..."this'll have to do" i thought, and kept playing... my beloved panasonic platinum series boombox (new in '82) makes much better indoor recordings than outdoor recordings... as for the trio gig, i kept asking chris bruce to encourage a party/jam at the betz's, and when he wouldnt, I DID. for some reason he was very upset about this and didnt attend....no one showed so we played as a trio; turned out better than we'd all feared after a slow start...just one excerpt from that night appears on "MOON HEALING ACTIVATION"...second gig in a row i'd played w/no sleep at all (was on the night shift in those days and had to go round the clock in order to co-exist w/the "daylight people")>>>i'll send you the whole thing, or most of it, ere too long... the bloke from STRIDERNEWS was saying he'd refer the "jammed and stoning" release to someone for possible background use in a cd-rom...the japanese release of all the DAS L tapes apparently didnt happen, nor did the "destroy all music' preview ep, nor did the german vinyl split lp.... both ian and i have had moments of lesser health, geezers that we're becoming, but look forward to playing some more....mr. lascko can apparently wait on a tape until april; >>>HA-as if that's what we'd play at STRANGE DAZE<<< but we'll see.... ja ne! larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Feb 20 10:56:34 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 10:56:34 EST Subject: HW : LIVE 70 73 Message-ID: for some reason the "roadhawks" version of "you shouldnt do that" as it appears on "stasis" sounds terrible, as if it had been mastered off the record itself...atrocious editng on that track too (grin) ja ne! >>larry b From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sat Feb 20 11:12:08 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 16:12:08 -0000 Subject: HW/OFF: Deviants In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Paul said > Interestingly, my German supplier is now listing two Japanese pressings: > > Mick Farren - Vampires stole my lunch money (Japanese Pressing) > Mick Farren & The Deviants - Fragments of Broken Promises (Jap) > > Soniqu? (in Bilby mode ) That's "Probes", not "Promises" :) These'll also be on Captain Trip. There's also a CT reissue of _Human Garbage_, the (essential) 1984 live album with Larry Wallis and Wayne Kramer, and various early Deviants stuff (_III_ and _Ptooff!_ I think). Maybe you ought to deal direct with Ken at CT! :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sat Feb 20 11:12:10 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 16:12:10 -0000 Subject: HW/OFF: Deviants In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Is that Alan HW/Nikwind Powell? If so, when did he hook up with > the Deviants? Yours, Yes it is! He's probably on the 1977-vintage stuff - he was on the 1978 (I think?) Farren solo, _Vampires Stole my Lunch Money_, and other stuff from that era. Don't think he's been involved recently (unless someone knows better!) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Sat Feb 20 12:33:45 1999 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 18:33:45 +0100 Subject: HW/OFF: Deviants In-Reply-To: <000001be5ceb$c3ce4de0$a93463c3@default> Message-ID: >> Mick Farren - Vampires stole my lunch money (Japanese Pressing) >> Mick Farren & The Deviants - Fragments of Broken Promises (Jap) >> >> Soniqu? (in Bilby mode ) > >That's "Probes", not "Promises" :) These'll also be on Captain Trip. >There's also a CT reissue of _Human Garbage_, the (essential) 1984 live >album with Larry Wallis and Wayne Kramer, and various early Deviants stuff >(_III_ and _Ptooff!_ I think). > >Maybe you ought to deal direct with Ken at CT! :) > >- Andy andy does captain trip has a webpage or email. please give more information. andre From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sat Feb 20 14:35:38 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 19:35:38 -0000 Subject: HW/OFF: Deviants In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990220183345.007d0320@casema.net> Message-ID: > > andy > does captain trip has a webpage or email. > please give more information. > > andre > The short answer is, no! If you want to order their stuff, you can try http://www.forcedexposure.com, if you want to get in touch with them, you can try going through Mick - his website is at http://members.aol.com/byron4d/index.html Cheers - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sat Feb 20 18:57:08 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 23:57:08 GMT Subject: OFF: Drinking Ouzo In-Reply-To: Goran Janicijevic's message of Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:32:47 GMT Message-ID: Goran Janicijevic writes: > The only proper way of drinking ouzo is, to be cooled: > > 1. Internally - with ice inside; the ouzo getting white and dense. > > 2. Externally - frig chilled, or ice around the glass; the ouzo > getting oily and dense. > > Optional snack: Fresh salad containing tomatos, olives, cucumbers, > onions, marjoram and greek cheese (not necessary all at once). > > Any other way of drinking ouzo (other temperature, additives, or > snack) is a taste crime. And a special crime for your health is if you > drink something else alcocholic along ouzo, eg. beer. > > How do I know that? Well, I am from where it originates... or pretty > close. Oh dear - I always thought ouzo was a Greek drink! How far out am I? I've never tried drinking it but I love the smell of licourice (?spelling) so I'd probably just inhale the scent instead of consuming it - an even greater crime I fear! jill (an imperfect imbiber) ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sat Feb 20 19:08:01 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 00:08:01 GMT Subject: HW: passports and HW97 In-Reply-To: BL Young's message of Sat, 20 Feb 1999 00:47:00 -0800 Message-ID: BL Young writes: > Hi, I've been off the list for awhile and I'm not clear on the HW97 cd. > > I've ordered HW IYA from ubl.com and it's been shipped already. (They > charged my $11.99 plus shipping, I think.) > > But how do I get this other cd? Is it too late to get a passport? > Would it be easier to buy an extra copy from somebody? (Assuming that > you can order 2 copies with your passport...) HW97 is the promo version - sort of - of IYA available from Hawkwind but you'll need to get the passport first since you are required to quote the appropriate passport number. Write to them at: PO Box28, Honiton, E.Devon, EX14 8AP, England, UK and ask for an Earth Visitors Passport (if they are still doing them). However you might have to wait quite a long time for a reply - there seems to be a delay in the processing thereof 8-( jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sat Feb 20 19:12:15 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 00:12:15 -0000 Subject: OFF: Drinking Ouzo In-Reply-To: <199902202357.XAA22307@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > I've never tried drinking it but I love the smell of licourice > (?spelling) so I'd probably just inhale the scent instead of consuming > it - an even greater crime I fear! Inhaling is cool. Next time you're in London, I'll let you inhale some of mine, OK! :))) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sat Feb 20 19:34:29 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 00:34:29 GMT Subject: OFF: Drinking Ouzo In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Sun, 21 Feb 1999 00:12:15 -0000 Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > > I've never tried drinking it but I love the smell of licourice > > (?spelling) so I'd probably just inhale the scent instead of consuming > > it - an even greater crime I fear! > > Inhaling is cool. Next time you're in London, I'll let you inhale some of > mine, OK! > > :))) You're on - next Hawkwind tour I'll camp overnight at your place! 8-))) jill > > - Andy > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sat Feb 20 19:38:40 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 00:38:40 GMT Subject: HW : LIVE 70 73 In-Reply-To: Stephan Spiegel's message of Sat, 20 Feb 1999 01:35:15 -0600 Message-ID: Stephan Spiegel writes: > Can anyone tell me if the LP music on Live 70-73, ever make it to a CD = > yet? > > Thanks, > Hawkman > P.S. Same question : "Roadhawks" the LP? Haven't done this for ages! This is Live '70/73 from the Codex and Discography. I won't list Roadhawks but you can check through the Codex for that one too. 1985 Live '70/'73 (Castle Dojo) [live early tracks] [reissued as Welcome To The Future] In The Egg Orgone Accumulator Welcome To The Future Master Of The Universe Sonic Attack Seven By Seven Wage War Urban Guerilla Only Dreaming Hurry On A Sundown In The Egg 1 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin 1 Early Daze 1 Live '70/'73 1 Welcome To The Future 1 Silver Machine [Legend CD] Orgone Accumulator L 1 Space Ritual Alive L 1 Masters of the Universe [UA Compilation] L 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 1 a US double 7" EP L 2 Space Ritual II L 2 Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 2 a Live '70/'73 L 2 a Welcome To The Future L 2 b Early Daze ?L 2 b Silver Machine [Legend CD] L 3 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin L 4 Undisclosed Files * 1a is a cut version of 1 * 2a is a cut version of 2 * 2b is a cut version of 2a * Versions 1 and 2 are from the same tour Welcome To The Future L 1 Glastonbury Fayre L 1 Assassins of Allah LP L 1 Dawn of Hawkwind CD L 2 BBC Transcription Disc LP L 2 Space Rock From London L 2 a BBC Radio - Live in Concert CD L 3 Space Ritual Alive L 3 a Ridicule L 3 a Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 3 a Space Ritual II L 4 The 1999 Party L 5 Bring Me The Head of Yuri Gagarin L 5 Live '70/'73 L 5 Welcome To The Future L 6 Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/Hawklords {The Future} L 7 The Secret Tepee [Bootleg CD] L 8 The Business Trip {This Future} L 9 Timeless Paens From The Ongoing Rituals of Space [bootleg CD] L 9 Love In Space {Welcome} * 2a is remixed from 2 * 3a is from the same tour as 3 Master Of The Universe L 1 In The Beginning L 1 The Text Of Festival L 1 Welcome To The Future L 1 Live '70/'73 Sonic Attack L 1 Space Ritual Alive L 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 1 a Space Ritual II L 1 a Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 1 b Live '70/'73 L 1 b Welcome To The Future L 1 c Sonic Attack promo 7" L 1 c Masters of the Universe [Compilation] L 2 The 1999 Party * 1a is the same as 1 but with a different intro 1b is 1a with the end cut short 1c is 1 but faded at the end 3a is the same as 3 but with part of the intro cut Seven by Seven 1 Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1972] A1/B1 1 In Search of Space [remastered CD only] 1 a Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1972] A1/B2 1 b Silver Machine/7 by 7/Lord of Light/Born to Go German double 7" EP ? 1 ? Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1976] 1 b Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1978] A3/B3 1 b Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 12" [1978] 1 b Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 12" [1983] 1 b Stasis 1 b Lord of Light L 2 BBC Transcription Disc LP L 2 Space Rock from London L 2 a BBC Radio - Live In Concert CD L 3 Space Ritual Alive L 3 a Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1983] L 3 a Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [after 1983] L 4 Space Ritual II L 4 Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 4 Ridicule L 4 a Live '70/'73 L 4 a Welcome To The Future L 5 The 1999 Party L 6 Timeless Paens From The Ongoing Rituals of Space [bootleg CD] L 7 The Secret Tepee [Bootleg CD] * 1a is a remix of 1 - both released in 1972 * 1b is a remix of 1 * 2a is a remix of 2 * 3a is a cut version of 3 * 4a is a cut version of 4 Wage War 1 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin 1 a Live '70/'73 1 a Welcome To The Future * 1a is a cut version of 1 Urban Guerilla L 1 Live '70/'73 L 1 Welcome To The Future L 1 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin You Know You're Only Dreaming L 1 The 1999 Party 2 X In Search Of Space 2 The Best of Hawkwind [EMI Metal Classics cassette] 2 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 3 Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73 {Dreaming} L 3 In The Beginning L 3 The Text Of Festival L 3 Early Daze ?L 3 Silver Machine [Legend CD] L 3 a Live '70/'73 L 3 a Welcome To The Future L 4 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed L 5 The Business Trip {The Dream Has Ended} L 6 Timeless Paens From The Ongoing Rituals of Space [bootleg CD] * 3a is a cut version of 3 Hurry On Sundown 1 Hawkwind Zoo 12" EP 1 Last Chance 7" EP 1 Motorhead/Hurry On Sundown 7" 1 Victoria Double Album 1 Independent Days Vol 1 1 Night of the Hawk 1 Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-85 1 a Hawkwind [remastered CD only] L 2 In The beginning {Hurry On a Sundown} L 2 Live 70-73 {Hurry On a Sundown} L 2 Welcome To The Future {Hurry On a Sundown} L 2 The Text of Festival {Hurry On a Sundown} L 2 Early Daze {Hurry On a Sundown} L 2 Independent Days Volumes 1&2 CD ?L 2 Silver Machine [Legend CD] L 2 a Weird 106 - Hawkwind Live 1970-73 L 2 a The Hawkwind Anthology Vol III LP L 2 a Acid Daze Vol III L 2 a British Tribal Music L 2 a Castle Masters Collection L 2 a Hawkwind Anthology 3CD box set (Castle Communications) L 2 a Best of Hawkwind L 2 a Space Is Deep L 2 a Master of the Universe [Pulse CD] L 2 a Silver Machine CD [Hallmark compilation] 3 Hawkwind 3 Hurry on Sundown / Mirror of Illusion 7" 3 (The Best of The Psychedelic Warlords) 3 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 3 a Roadhawks 3 b US double 7" EP * 1a is an edit of 1. * versions 1 and 1a both feature on the remastered Hawkwind CD * 2a is an edit and cut of 2. * 3a is segued into Paranoia on the Roadhawks album * 3b is a cut version of 3 ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sat Feb 20 21:01:50 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 02:01:50 -0000 Subject: OFF: Larry Wallis Message-ID: Just been listening to Lar's _Redbirds_ EP - real vinyl, yet! - good pub-rock, if it was on CD I'd play it a LOT. IS it on CD? Anybody? What's he up to these days? Any idea???? - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM Sat Feb 20 23:15:05 1999 From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (BL Young) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 20:15:05 -0800 Subject: HW: IYA shipped from ubl.com Message-ID: Well, it was backordered for 2 weeks, but my IYA has been shipped from ubl.com Not that I'm getting anything for this promotion, but I've found that ubl.com has the best prices when you take into account the shipping. Check it out and see if you think I got a good deal. Note that the shipping price is calculated for Canada, as I don't live in the US. > We would like you to know that your backorder/special order has shipped! > Your order confirmation # is ******* received on 02/03/99.You will need > to refer to your order confirmation # if you e-mail us. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Extended Ordered Shipped BackOrd Price Title > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 11.99 1 1 0 11.99 HAWKWIND / IN YOUR AREA > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 11.99 Subtotal > 2.15 Shipping & Handling > 14.14 Total > > Your order was shipped using USPS Int'l Air Mail. > Please note - orders shipped via USPS 1st class mail should arrive within 3 - 5 > business days after they are shipped. > Your order was shipped to: > Bryan Young > ***** > ***** > CANADA > > If you have any questions, please contact us via: > Email: storeservice at ubl.com > In the US: (800)538-3465 > International: (954)255-4771 > Customer Service is open from 09:00AM until 06:00PM EST > > Thank you for shopping at ubl.com. > > > Hi, my name is Todd Meehan and I manage the UBL > record store. > > I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you > for shopping at the UBL. The UBL staff > encourages any feedback on how to make our store > better for you, the customer. Please e-mail any > comments to storemanager at ubl.com. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Young CANADA blyoung AT bigfoot DOT com ----------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/Area51/7118 SF Reading Club http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 Hawkwind http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/6878 IFHL-FLA ----------------------------------------------------------- "20 minutes goes by pretty fast when you're on a breakaway" From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Feb 20 23:26:38 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 04:26:38 +0000 Subject: HW : LIVE 70 73 In-Reply-To: <199902210038.AAA27104@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: >In The Egg i'm sorry, but every mention of this song just leads me to eggstatica! andrew "Wrestle poodles and win!" - The Bonzo Dog Band From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Feb 20 23:58:36 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 23:58:36 EST Subject: DAS LUDICROIX....the band/the premise....a "DASCOGRAPHY"...heh... Message-ID: i'd be really interested in getting a copy of this "hw covers all III" tape you refer to if'n das l is on it>>>>would be happy to trade more das l, or i've got over 100 hw live tapes... ja ne! larry b From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Feb 21 04:04:24 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 09:04:24 +0000 Subject: Drinking Anything. At All. In-Reply-To: <936030f2.36ced017@aol.com> Message-ID: In article <936030f2.36ced017 at aol.com>, DASLUD at aol.com writes >and for these purposes,what exactly would constitute "not being a f***ing >corpse?" >yoost vonderink>>>larry b Someone who can advance a conversation beyond "What is your Age/Gender/Location?" or, in extremely volatile personalities, "Its snowing here" -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Feb 21 04:35:27 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 09:35:27 +0000 Subject: OFF: Drinking Ouzo In-Reply-To: <199902202357.XAA22307@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <199902202357.XAA22307 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, J Strobridge writes >Oh dear - I always thought ouzo was a Greek drink! How far out am I? A fair distance, its actually an Australian drink. Ouzo is in fact an abbreviation of Kangaroouzo. Erm, I think. -- Jon From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Sun Feb 21 05:25:28 1999 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 21:25:28 +1100 Subject: HW: passports and HW97 Message-ID: On 21 Feb 99, at 0:08, J Strobridge wrote: > HW97 is the promo version - sort of - of IYA available from Hawkwind but > you'll need to get the passport first since you are required to quote the > appropriate passport number. Write to them at: PO Box28, Honiton, > E.Devon, EX14 8AP, England, UK and ask for an Earth Visitors Passport (if > they are still doing them). However you might have to wait quite a long > time for a reply - there seems to be a delay in the processing thereof > 8-( The news isn't all bad ... They will take payment for the CD with your passport "application" (a self-addressed A5 envelope with return postage). It's one quick way to get the passport too - I had both the CD and passport withing 2 weeks of sending the cash from Australia. I suppose I better work out how to fill the dang thing in now huh? :) Soniqu? -- PO Box 884 Paul Ward Mt Waverley http://sonique.net VIC 3149 (time permitting) Mob:0418 524744 sonique at sonique.net From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Feb 21 09:45:57 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 09:45:57 EST Subject: Drinking Anything. At All. Message-ID: gee yknow, in the short time ive been here aint nobody asked me age/sex/location (now that you mention it, i have some of each, thanks) nor have i ever been informed as to whether or not it was snowing>>> to insult people in advance like that is probably not the ideal way to then engage them in dialogue which would meet with your approval.... but wait, lemme look out the window to see whether or not it's snowing...heh...i'll never tell!! larry b From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Sun Feb 21 09:34:11 1999 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 01:34:11 +1100 Subject: Drinking Anything. At All. In-Reply-To: <16d6018c.36d01c25@aol.com> Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM spake... > gee yknow, in the short time ive been here aint nobody asked me > age/sex/location (now that you mention it, i have some of each, > thanks) nor have i ever been informed as to whether or not it was > snowing>>> Location? What the hell is that? Must be one of those human concepts. My research, it seems, has not be thorough enough as I am still confused by the human relationship with space/time. Sometimes I think I should just go back to drinking my Betelgeusean hyper-mega-psycho-Ansinthe... - Maximegalon Wilc?xicon? From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Feb 21 10:32:56 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 15:32:56 +0000 Subject: Drinking Anything. At All. Message-ID: On s?n 21 feb 1999 09.45 +0000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > gee yknow, in the short time ive been here aint nobody asked me > age/sex/location Jon was thinking, I believe, of people he meets on IRC "chat" channels, a kind of real-time text-based means of talking to random people on-line. It would be stereotypical--but not unjustly so--to describe BOC-L's clientele as ... more discrimating and focused than the average person one encounters on IRC etc. :) Cheers, Carl ObCD: Cathedral, _Caravan Beyond Redemption_ -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Feb 21 12:50:03 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:50:03 +0000 Subject: Drinking Anything. At All. In-Reply-To: <311446.3128599976@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <311446.3128599976 at cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk>, Carl Edlund Anderson writes > > Jon was thinking, I believe, of people he meets on IRC >"chat" channels, a kind of real-time text-based means of talking >to random people on-line. It would be stereotypical--but not >unjustly so--to describe BOC-L's clientele as ... more discrimating >and focused than the average person one encounters on IRC etc. > > :) Precisely, old chap. -- Jon ObCD - Mayhem & Psychosis Vol.2 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Feb 21 12:47:24 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:47:24 +0000 Subject: Drinking Anything. At All. In-Reply-To: <16d6018c.36d01c25@aol.com> Message-ID: In article <16d6018c.36d01c25 at aol.com>, DASLUD at aol.com writes >gee yknow, in the short time ive been here aint nobody asked me >age/sex/location (now that you mention it, i have some of each, thanks) nor >have i ever been informed as to whether or not it was snowing>>> > to insult people in advance like that is probably not the ideal way to >then engage them in dialogue which would meet with your approval.... > >but wait, lemme look out the window to see whether or not it's >snowing...heh...i'll never tell!! > >larry b Larry, mate, A) this isn't a chat room. I'm not insulting anyone on BOC-L and B) I've been on this list for gee, I forget now exactly, but in the 4 year plus area. Most of the regulars know me and my rubbish posts pretty well. I can *always* expect a high standard of correspondence on BOC-L, that is why it remains the one constant of my net life. But its not IRC. I was insulting the corpses I had just attempted to enliven with my wit. On BOC-L a question like "Blake or Wordsworth?" would draw half a dozen interesting responses, on chat it gets "Karma, U R nutz." -- Jon From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Feb 21 13:40:58 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 13:40:58 EST Subject: Drinking Anything. At All. Message-ID: well groovy, then; 'tweren't me mistaking here for a chat room...i'm on AOL, comrade; CHATS ME GOT PLENTY, if'n that's what i want.... but perhaps over time i'll learn to distinguish the appropriate "rubbish quotient" of yr. submissions...(big grin) ja ne! >>larry b From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Feb 21 15:05:15 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:05:15 +0000 Subject: Drinking Anything. At All. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >I was insulting the corpses I had just attempted to enliven with my wit. >On BOC-L a question like "Blake or Wordsworth?" would draw half a dozen >interesting responses, on chat it gets "Karma, U R nutz." Wahey! Jon man! You're crackers you are! andrew Dick the Butcher: The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers. Henry VI Pt.2 IV.ii From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Feb 21 15:23:04 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:23:04 -0000 Subject: Drinking Anything. At All. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I was insulting the corpses I had just attempted to enliven with my wit. > On BOC-L a question like "Blake or Wordsworth?" would draw half a dozen > interesting responses, on chat it gets "Karma, U R nutz." Blake's the doors of perception johnny, and Wordsworth's the daffodil bloke. Ask me another. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Feb 21 15:36:27 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 15:36:27 EST Subject: Drinking Anything. At All. Message-ID: Andy, U R nutz. >>>>but is it snowing? From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Sun Feb 21 16:48:49 1999 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 14:48:49 -0700 Subject: Drinking Anything. At All. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I was insulting the corpses I had just attempted to enliven with my wit. > On BOC-L a question like "Blake or Wordsworth?" would draw half a dozen > interesting responses, on chat it gets "Karma, U R nutz." > -- > Jon > Well, it seems completely obvious to me that you are referring (or maybe reefering?) to Hawkwind's concert at Camden Electric Ballroom on Dec 29, 1979, since this is the only time that Lemmy (see Motorhead's 1978 concert CD "What's Words Worth") shared a stage with Tim Blake, so perhaps U Rn't nutz. Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Feb 21 16:58:02 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 21:58:02 -0000 Subject: Drinking Anything. At All. In-Reply-To: <000001be5de3$f6c33460$8855dacf@primenet.com> Message-ID: > Well, it seems completely obvious to me that you are referring (or maybe > reefering?) to Hawkwind's concert at Camden Electric Ballroom on Dec 29, > 1979, since this is the only time that Lemmy (see Motorhead's 1978 concert > CD "What's Words Worth") shared a stage with Tim Blake, so perhaps U Rn't > nutz. > Which was a dead good show, as I recall! :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Sun Feb 21 17:40:34 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 16:40:34 -0600 Subject: HW Live 70-73 Message-ID: Thanks to everyone who helped me out on the Live 70-73 & Roadhawks info Sure wish Dave would release these last 2 titles on CD, so I can get some sleep! Hawkman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Sun Feb 21 17:47:19 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 16:47:19 -0600 Subject: OFF: Drinking Ouzo Message-ID: J Strobridge wrote: > > Goran Janicijevic writes: > > > The only proper way of drinking ouzo is, to be cooled: > > > > 1. Internally - with ice inside; the ouzo getting white and dense. > > > > 2. Externally - frig chilled, or ice around the glass; the ouzo > > getting oily and dense. > > > > Optional snack: Fresh salad containing tomatos, olives, cucumbers, > > onions, marjoram and greek cheese (not necessary all at once). > > > > Any other way of drinking ouzo (other temperature, additives, or > > snack) is a taste crime. And a special crime for your health is if you > > drink something else alcocholic along ouzo, eg. beer. > > > > How do I know that? Well, I am from where it originates... or pretty > > close. > > Oh dear - I always thought ouzo was a Greek drink! How far out am I? > > I've never tried drinking it but I love the smell of licourice > (?spelling) so I'd probably just inhale the scent instead of consuming > it - an even greater crime I fear! > > jill (an imperfect imbiber) > > =========================================================================== > J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- you should try a Flaming Sambuka, Sambuka being a licorice liquor, you pour the shot (about two ounces) then light it, lick your hand and place it over the glass, when the flame goes out it will suck up into your hand, give it a quick shake, bring it up to your mouth, and when you pull your hand away quickly inhale the fumes (goes right to your head :-)), then down the shot :-). Laj. From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sun Feb 21 17:52:10 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 22:52:10 GMT Subject: OFF: Trivia (was Drinking Anything. At All.) In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:23:04 -0000 Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > > I was insulting the corpses I had just attempted to enliven with my wit. > > On BOC-L a question like "Blake or Wordsworth?" would draw half a dozen > > interesting responses, on chat it gets "Karma, U R nutz." > > Blake's the doors of perception johnny, and Wordsworth's the daffodil bloke. > And Hawkwind quote Longfellow while Genesis quote Emily Bronte. This is a Trivia message #340023 And just for Larry - it was snowing but it isn't now - and I wish it was...... jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tclark at PETRONET.NET Sun Feb 21 18:51:32 1999 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:51:32 -0600 Subject: OFF: Drinking Ouzo Message-ID: Whatever happened to straight out of the bottle?! Anyway, I heard a rumor once (a couple of times, actually), that Ouzo has an opium dirivative, and when chilled in the freezer, the crystals that form contain a more concentrated amount of that....never actually had the inclination to find out for myself....hmmmm..... Laj Waldner wrote: > J Strobridge wrote: > > > > Goran Janicijevic writes: > > > > > The only proper way of drinking ouzo is, to be cooled: > > > > > > 1. Internally - with ice inside; the ouzo getting white and dense. > > > > > > 2. Externally - frig chilled, or ice around the glass; the ouzo > > > getting oily and dense. > > > > > > Optional snack: Fresh salad containing tomatos, olives, cucumbers, > > > onions, marjoram and greek cheese (not necessary all at once). > > > > > > Any other way of drinking ouzo (other temperature, additives, or > > > snack) is a taste crime. And a special crime for your health is if you > > > drink something else alcocholic along ouzo, eg. beer. > > > > > > How do I know that? Well, I am from where it originates... or pretty > > > close. > > > > Oh dear - I always thought ouzo was a Greek drink! How far out am I? > > > > I've never tried drinking it but I love the smell of licourice > > (?spelling) so I'd probably just inhale the scent instead of consuming > > it - an even greater crime I fear! > > > > jill (an imperfect imbiber) > > > > =========================================================================== > > J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk > > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > you should try a Flaming Sambuka, Sambuka being a licorice liquor, you > pour the shot (about two ounces) then light it, lick your hand and place > it over the glass, when the flame goes out it will suck up into your > hand, give it a quick shake, bring it up to your mouth, and when you > pull your hand away quickly inhale the fumes (goes right to your head > :-)), then down the shot :-). > > Laj. From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sun Feb 21 23:00:38 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 23:00:38 EST Subject: HW: MotU cover and Monster Mag Message-ID: Hi. Just picked up a couple items today that might be of some interest here. 1. Monster Magnet CD single, containing: Freedom of Choice (just Dave rapping about free speech for 39 seconds), Big God (non-lp track) and Say It (where Dave forces a girl to say the words "Monster Magnet"). Does anyone need this? I'll trade or sell... 2. Vertigo -- Same, on Amphetamine Reptile, pretty heavy, distorted guitar punk 3-piece, w/a pretty straight-forward cover of "MotU". Sounds like they could be British. Again, I'm not really into this, so if anyone wants it, e- mail... Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sun Feb 21 23:34:47 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 23:34:47 EST Subject: OFF: CABLE Message-ID: I should have included this in the following E-mail, but I forgot. I also picked up a CD which _might_ be of some interest to someone. The group is called Cable, the album is "Live at Brixton Prison" EP. The group and the CD's origin is British. I'm not exactly sure how to define the music, maybe "alterna-punk" might be appropriate, released '97. Since there are so many Brits here, perhaps someone is into them or knows something about 'em... Thanks, Chuck From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM Mon Feb 22 03:31:26 1999 From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (BL Young) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 00:31:26 -0800 Subject: HW: passports and HW97 Message-ID: OK, sounds like I'd better make an effort -- it *is* Hawkwind and I'll never forgive myself years later if I don't have it on my shelf. So what tracks are on the IYA and the HW97? I haven't received my IYA yet, so I'm curious as to what I'm getting and what the HW97 has.. Thanks again, Bryan > On 21 Feb 99, at 0:08, J Strobridge wrote: > > > HW97 is the promo version - sort of - of IYA available from Hawkwind but > > you'll need to get the passport first since you are required to quote the > > appropriate passport number. Write to them at: PO Box28, Honiton, > > E.Devon, EX14 8AP, England, UK and ask for an Earth Visitors Passport (if > > they are still doing them). However you might have to wait quite a long > > time for a reply - there seems to be a delay in the processing thereof > > 8-( > Soniqu? wrote: > > The news isn't all bad ... They will take payment for the CD with your > passport "application" (a self-addressed A5 envelope with return postage). > It's one quick way to get the passport too - I had both the CD and passport > withing 2 weeks of sending the cash from Australia. I suppose I better work > out how to fill the dang thing in now huh? :) > > Soniqu? > -- -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Young CANADA blyoung AT bigfoot DOT com ----------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/Area51/7118 SF Reading Club http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 Hawkwind http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/6878 IFHL-FLA ----------------------------------------------------------- "20 minutes goes by pretty fast when you're on a breakaway" From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Feb 22 04:09:11 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 09:09:11 -0000 Subject: Trivia (was Drinking Anything. At All.) In-Reply-To: <199902212252.WAA04164@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > And Hawkwind quote Longfellow while Genesis quote Emily Bronte. See? I knew Hawkwind were harder than Genesis! :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Mon Feb 22 04:53:02 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 09:53:02 +0000 Subject: OFF: Drinking Ouzo Message-ID: > > >Oh dear - I always thought ouzo was a Greek drink! How far out am I? > > A fair distance, its actually an Australian drink. > Ouzo is in fact an abbreviation of Kangaroouzo. > > Erm, I think. > -- > Jon I'd submit that to Lie of the Day if I were you... Cheers, Rich. ** Supercalifragalisticborussiamunchengladbach ** From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Mon Feb 22 05:19:56 1999 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 21:19:56 +1100 Subject: HW: passports and HW97 Message-ID: On 22 Feb 99, at 0:31, BL Young wrote: > So what tracks are on the IYA and the HW97? I haven't received my IYA > yet, so I'm curious as to what I'm getting and what the HW97 has.. If you can get past the indexing errors (12 indexed tracks, but 14 tracks on the CD. Some of the indexes are mid track! Good thing it doesn't affect the playability), it contains: Brainstorm Hawkwind In Your Area Alchemy Love in Space Rat Race Aerospaceage Inferno First Landing on Medusa I am the Reptoid The Nazca Hippy Prairie Your Fantasy Luxotica Diana Park The first 6 tracks are live (in Belgium), the last 8 are studio. Soniqu? -- PO Box 884 Paul Ward Mt Waverley http://sonique.net VIC 3149 (time permitting) Mob:0418 524744 sonique at sonique.net From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Mon Feb 22 06:30:51 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 06:30:51 -0500 Subject: King Crimson? Message-ID: Could any of you all tell me something of King Crimson. Someone (a HW fan) told me that I should give'm a listen. Just wondering what others think of them, before I try to track some albums/CDs down. thanks From pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Feb 22 06:47:31 1999 From: pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM (Juha Nurmenniemi) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 03:47:31 PST Subject: King Crimson? Message-ID: Hi! I think King Crimson are great if you like chaotic sounds and gentle passages.I recommend you try "Red" or if you dare "Lark?s Tongues In Aspic". In space we trust Juba >>From owner-boc-l at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Mon Feb 22 03:43:45 1999 >Received: from [192.107.46.113] by hotmail.com (1.1) with SMTP id MHotMailB89A8DEFBAFFD1017075C06B2E7110130; Mon Feb 22 03:43:45 1999 >Received: from listserv.spc.edu (listserv at listserv.spc.edu [192.107.46.113]) > by listserv.spc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.8/SPC-2.2-NORELAY) with ESMTP id GAA02588; > Mon, 22 Feb 1999 06:36:51 -0500 (EST) >Received: from LISTSERV.SPC.EDU by LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release > 1.8b) with spool id 15404 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Mon, 22 Feb > 1999 06:36:49 -0500 >Received: from mailgate.spc.edu (root at mailgate.spc.edu [192.107.46.158]) by > listserv.spc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.8/SPC-2.2-NORELAY) with ESMTP id GAA02578 > for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 06:36:48 -0500 (EST) >Received: from mailgw3.lmco.com (mailgw3.lmco.com [192.35.35.23]) by > mailgate.spc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/SPC-3.0-NORELAY) with ESMTP id GAA21589 > for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 06:36:44 -0500 (EST) >Received: from emss04g01.ems.lmco.com (emss04g01.ems.lmco.com [166.17.13.122]) > by mailgw3.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA05316 for > ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 06:36:43 -0500 (EST) >Received: from emss05m01.ems.lmco.com ([129.86.10.65]) by lmco.com (PMDF > V5.1-10 #20546) with ESMTP id <0F7K00FMA097ES at lmco.com> for > BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 06:36:43 -0500 (EST) >Received: by emss05m01.sanders.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) > id ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 06:41:43 -0500 >Content-return: allowed >MIME-version: 1.0 >X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) >Content-type: text/plain >Message-ID: <91B3F4CA7220D1118BA00000F83114BD021CF288 at emss05m03.sanders.lmco.com> >Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 06:30:51 -0500 >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >From: "Hall, Russell J" >Subject: King Crimson? >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > >Could any of you all tell me something of King Crimson. >Someone (a HW fan) told me that I should give'm a listen. >Just wondering what others think of them, before I try to >track some albums/CDs down. > >thanks ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Feb 22 06:52:34 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:52:34 -0000 Subject: HW: passports and HW97 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: And HW97 has Wheels/Your World Phetamine St Fantasy Alchemy Love in Space Aerospaceage Inferno Sonic Attack Blue Skin Brainstorm In Your Area Reptoid Vision Keeper of the Reptoid Ejection The Gremlin All live from various dates on the UK tour. I like 'em both, but I actually prefer HW97, if I have to choose. "Wheels" is great, and I even like Rizz: "What is this???" - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Soniqu? > Sent: 22 February 1999 10:20 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: HW: passports and HW97 > > > On 22 Feb 99, at 0:31, BL Young wrote: > > > So what tracks are on the IYA and the HW97? I haven't received my IYA > > yet, so I'm curious as to what I'm getting and what the HW97 has.. > > If you can get past the indexing errors (12 indexed tracks, but 14 tracks > on the CD. Some of the indexes are mid track! Good thing it doesn't affect > the playability), it contains: > > Brainstorm > Hawkwind In Your Area > Alchemy > Love in Space > Rat Race > Aerospaceage Inferno > First Landing on Medusa > I am the Reptoid > The Nazca > Hippy > Prairie > Your Fantasy > Luxotica > Diana Park > > The first 6 tracks are live (in Belgium), the last 8 are studio. > > Soniqu? > > -- > PO Box 884 Paul Ward > Mt Waverley http://sonique.net > VIC 3149 (time permitting) > Mob:0418 524744 sonique at sonique.net > From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Feb 22 07:13:50 1999 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:13:50 +0000 Subject: HW : LIVE 70 73 In-Reply-To: <1ffe86e.36ced146@aol.com> Message-ID: At 10:14 20/02/99 EST, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: >i believe everything on "70-73" and 'roadhawks" has shown up SOMEWHERE on >cd...only "new' bit on "roadhawks" was that live edit of "you shouldnt do >that" which ended up on "stasis" (i think) It's on the remaster of Space Ritual, isn't it? I thought it was the encore from that gig. Dave. Languages Group Manager. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Feb 22 06:21:46 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 07:21:46 EDT Subject: King Crimson? In-Reply-To: <91B3F4CA7220D1118BA00000F83114BD021CF288@emss05m03.sanders.lmco.com> Message-ID: > From: "Hall, Russell J" > Could any of you all tell me something of King Crimson. > Someone (a HW fan) told me that I should give'm a listen. > Just wondering what others think of them, before I try to > track some albums/CDs down. Hmm...Well, one could say that, along with Frank Zappa, King Crimson were the original prog-rockers. Like HW, KC has gone through innumerable personnel changes, so there's a lot of variety in sound from album to album, period to period. The first couple albums were a real mind blower back, what almost 30 years ago. They had saxophones, and clarinets and all other sort of shit on 'em. Super spacy lyrics, and one hell of a guitar player, esp. for that day and age. Fripp disdained the typical blues based scale approach to guitar, playing much jazzier, but with a full-bore electric, heavy vibe. Think John McLaughlin, but more rocked-out. About their fifth album or so, they incorporated a violinist, now-famous bassist John Wetton came aboard, Bill Bruford joined, and they shifted to a sound more typically associated with prog rock [IMO]. This was a very fertile period, and the only time I ever saw them live. IMO, the best incarnation of the band, which produced Lark's Toungues...and Red, maybe their best albums. After that, I lost touch a bit. I know Adrian Belew joined for a couple of good albums. Lately, KC has become even more experimental, and intermingled with side projects of Robert Fripp... theo From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Mon Feb 22 08:30:49 1999 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:30:49 +0000 Subject: HW : Roadhakws/Shouldn't do that (Was: LIVE 70 73) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990222121350.00ff2c80@mailhost.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: DASLUD & Dave write: >>i believe everything on "70-73" and 'roadhawks" has shown up SOMEWHERE on >>cd...only "new' bit on "roadhawks" was that live edit of "you shouldnt do >>that" which ended up on "stasis" (i think) > >It's on the remaster of Space Ritual, isn't it? I thought it was the >encore from that gig. > >Dave. > Yes, but the best version is on the vinyl version of Anthology vol.2 where we are treated to the full chatter before and after the actual track. Most of that "chat" was culled for CD release, as half of vol.3 was crammed onto the same CD as.....wait for it..... "Bonus Tracks". !!!! This was about ther start of the era when all taht Samurai stuff was re-hashed about 58 million times. Guy T. Incidentally, I have the "Original" three Anthology LPs if anybody is actually after them still! From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Feb 22 08:49:09 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 08:49:09 EST Subject: HW : Roadhakws/Shouldn't do that (Was: LIVE 70 73) Message-ID: yeah but the anthology 2 verson fades before the end...you dont get a longer edit...? larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Feb 22 08:53:13 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 08:53:13 EST Subject: King Crimson? Message-ID: crimson would be one of the few groups who could rightly claim to have gone through almost as many permutations as hawkwind....i favor the "wetton/bruford era" personally (lp's LARKS TONGUES IN ASPIC/STARLESS AND BIBLE BLACK/RED/USA) >>>larry b From tclark at PETRONET.NET Mon Feb 22 08:56:16 1999 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 07:56:16 -0600 Subject: King Crimson? Message-ID: And to round it out, definitely get one of the more recent ones - "Vrooom"...great production along with chaotic sounds and gentle passages...... Juha Nurmenniemi wrote: > Hi! > I think King Crimson are great if you like chaotic sounds and gentle > passages.I recommend you try "Red" or if you dare "Lark?s Tongues In > Aspic". > In space we trust > Juba > > >From owner-boc-l at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Mon Feb 22 03:43:45 1999 > >Received: from [192.107.46.113] by hotmail.com (1.1) with SMTP id > MHotMailB89A8DEFBAFFD1017075C06B2E7110130; Mon Feb 22 03:43:45 1999 > >Received: from listserv.spc.edu (listserv at listserv.spc.edu > [192.107.46.113]) > > by listserv.spc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.8/SPC-2.2-NORELAY) with ESMTP id > GAA02588; > > Mon, 22 Feb 1999 06:36:51 -0500 (EST) > >Received: from LISTSERV.SPC.EDU by LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP > release > > 1.8b) with spool id 15404 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Mon, 22 > Feb > > 1999 06:36:49 -0500 > >Received: from mailgate.spc.edu (root at mailgate.spc.edu > [192.107.46.158]) by > > listserv.spc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.8/SPC-2.2-NORELAY) with ESMTP id > GAA02578 > > for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 06:36:48 -0500 > (EST) > >Received: from mailgw3.lmco.com (mailgw3.lmco.com [192.35.35.23]) by > > mailgate.spc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/SPC-3.0-NORELAY) with ESMTP id > GAA21589 > > for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 06:36:44 -0500 > (EST) > >Received: from emss04g01.ems.lmco.com (emss04g01.ems.lmco.com > [166.17.13.122]) > > by mailgw3.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA05316 for > > ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 06:36:43 -0500 > (EST) > >Received: from emss05m01.ems.lmco.com ([129.86.10.65]) by lmco.com > (PMDF > > V5.1-10 #20546) with ESMTP id <0F7K00FMA097ES at lmco.com> for > > BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 06:36:43 -0500 (EST) > >Received: by emss05m01.sanders.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service > (5.5.2232.9) > > id ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 06:41:43 -0500 > >Content-return: allowed > >MIME-version: 1.0 > >X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) > >Content-type: text/plain > >Message-ID: > <91B3F4CA7220D1118BA00000F83114BD021CF288 at emss05m03.sanders.lmco.com> > >Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 06:30:51 -0500 > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >From: "Hall, Russell J" > >Subject: King Crimson? > >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > > > >Could any of you all tell me something of King Crimson. > >Someone (a HW fan) told me that I should give'm a listen. > >Just wondering what others think of them, before I try to > >track some albums/CDs down. > > > >thanks > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Feb 22 08:55:54 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 08:55:54 EST Subject: HW : LIVE 70 73 Message-ID: yes it was the encore of that gig and yes it's on the remastered "space ritual"....still a piss-poor edit...(grin) larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Feb 22 08:58:08 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 08:58:08 EST Subject: King Crimson? Message-ID: i betcha soft machine and perhaps the nice would feel slighted at not being regarded as "the original prog-rockers".... larry b From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Feb 22 09:25:04 1999 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:25:04 +0000 Subject: OFF: SHADOW GALLERY In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 19 Feb 1999 23:42:22 EST." <000901be5c8b$69f49a00$1c79f0d0@ValuedAcerCustomer> Message-ID: > Has any one out there heard of the band SHADOW GALLERY? > I came across the name as I was looking at things on the cdnow > website and wondered how they were. Any help would be > appreciated. Big hair. Bigger keyboards. Long songs. One of those Magna Carta label type prog metal outfits as I recall, like Magellan, and mildly dubious I believe. Whilst Dream Theater & Fates Warning can hack it most of the time, most of these derivatives flounder IMHO. Tim ObCD: Download _III_ From tully at LINELNT1.LIGHT.GE.COM Mon Feb 22 09:17:37 1999 From: tully at LINELNT1.LIGHT.GE.COM (Tully, Thomas (GEL,MSX)) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 09:17:37 -0500 Subject: SHADOW GALLERY Message-ID: They are a Metal(Heavy) progressive band in the vein of Dream Theatre. Very good band ,they have 3 CD's out . They are on the Magna Carta label. Anything on the Magna Carta label is worth checking out. Thomas Tully Packaging Graphics MGR. GE Lighting D.C. Phone 8-346-3303 D.C. Fax 8-346-3133 E-Mail tully at linelnt1.light.ge.com > ---------- > From: crow[SMTP:crow at ASCENT.NET] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: Friday, February 19, 1999 11:42 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: OFF: SHADOW GALLERY > > Has any one out there heard of the band SHADOW GALLERY? > I came across the name as I was looking at things on the cdnow > website and wondered how they were. Any help would be > appreciated. > > crow > From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Mon Feb 22 08:44:45 1999 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 00:44:45 +1100 Subject: King Crimson? In-Reply-To: <91B3F4CA7220D1118BA00000F83114BD021CF288@emss05m03.sanders.lmco.com> Message-ID: Ahhh. King Crimson. Well, I'm a bit of a fan, myself. As everyone has said, they've been through many many different lineups and changes of sound - the "Dave Brock of the band", the constant musician is Robert Fripp - who's an amazing guitarist. They've been through virtually every prog variation - from chaotic jazz to heavy stuff. Rather than a particular king of subject matter that runs through their work (ie space imagery in HW) it is the lyrically style that seems to run through it. They have a very distinct surreal kind of lyrical style that is very distinct. Personally, I'm quite partial to the Peter Sinfield era of lyrics (Lizard). But - IMHO the stuff they are doing at the moment is some of the best they've ever done. Thrak is a darn well excellent album - very very well played, as well as well composed. The most recent stuff - Projekt 1 - 3 is great spacey experiment. The one I have, "Space Groove" is a double album. With comments scattered through the booklet such as "space is still the place" and "Bite my space" it has to be good, I say... Well, thats my .5 buckazoids... - Max Wilcox From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Feb 22 03:57:31 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 08:57:31 +0000 Subject: Drinking Anything. At All. In-Reply-To: <000001be5de3$f6c33460$8855dacf@primenet.com> Message-ID: In article <000001be5de3$f6c33460$8855dacf at primenet.com>, Kevin Sommers writes >> I was insulting the corpses I had just attempted to enliven with my wit. >> On BOC-L a question like "Blake or Wordsworth?" would draw half a dozen >> interesting responses, on chat it gets "Karma, U R nutz." >> -- >> Jon >> >Well, it seems completely obvious to me that you are referring (or maybe >reefering?) to Hawkwind's concert at Camden Electric Ballroom on Dec 29, >1979, since this is the only time that Lemmy (see Motorhead's 1978 concert >CD "What's Words Worth") shared a stage with Tim Blake, so perhaps U Rn't >nutz. > >Kevin Sommers Bravo, Kev!! Excellent surmise! Sterling post. -- Jon From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Feb 22 05:54:53 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:54:53 +0000 Subject: HW: MotU cover and Monster Mag Message-ID: On s?n 21 feb 1999 23.00 +0000 "Chuck Rosenberg" wrote: > 1. Monster Magnet CD single, containing: Freedom of Choice (just Dave rapping > about free speech for 39 seconds), Big God (non-lp track) and Say It (where > Dave forces a girl to say the words "Monster Magnet"). Does anyone need this? > I'll trade or sell... Sounds weird--some kinda promo or ...? Seems strange that they would release a single without any albums tracks! > 2. Vertigo -- Same, on Amphetamine Reptile, pretty heavy, distorted guitar > punk 3-piece, w/a pretty straight-forward cover of "MotU". Sounds like they > could be British. Again, I'm not really into this, so if anyone wants it, e- > mail... Band name sounds familiar ... is Amphetamine Reptile the label? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From JOHNANDBEVBONO at WORLDNET.ATT.NET Tue Feb 23 10:44:26 1999 From: JOHNANDBEVBONO at WORLDNET.ATT.NET (JOHN BONO) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:44:26 -0500 Subject: King Crimson? Message-ID: You have to give a listen to the first album-Greg Lake on bass and vocals- one of the best before they got too chaotic. Harley John -----Original Message----- From: Juha Nurmenniemi To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Monday, February 22, 1999 6:49 AM Subject: Re: King Crimson? Hi! I think King Crimson are great if you like chaotic sounds and gentle passages.I recommend you try "Red" or if you dare "Lark?s Tongues In Aspic". In space we trust Juba >>From owner-boc-l at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Mon Feb 22 03:43:45 1999 >Received: from [192.107.46.113] by hotmail.com (1.1) with SMTP id MHotMailB89A8DEFBAFFD1017075C06B2E7110130; Mon Feb 22 03:43:45 1999 >Received: from listserv.spc.edu (listserv at listserv.spc.edu [192.107.46.113]) > by listserv.spc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.8/SPC-2.2-NORELAY) with ESMTP id GAA02588; > Mon, 22 Feb 1999 06:36:51 -0500 (EST) >Received: from LISTSERV.SPC.EDU by LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release > 1.8b) with spool id 15404 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Mon, 22 Feb > 1999 06:36:49 -0500 >Received: from mailgate.spc.edu (root at mailgate.spc.edu [192.107.46.158]) by > listserv.spc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.8/SPC-2.2-NORELAY) with ESMTP id GAA02578 > for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 06:36:48 -0500 (EST) >Received: from mailgw3.lmco.com (mailgw3.lmco.com [192.35.35.23]) by > mailgate.spc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/SPC-3.0-NORELAY) with ESMTP id GAA21589 > for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 06:36:44 -0500 (EST) >Received: from emss04g01.ems.lmco.com (emss04g01.ems.lmco.com [166.17.13.122]) > by mailgw3.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA05316 for > ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 06:36:43 -0500 (EST) >Received: from emss05m01.ems.lmco.com ([129.86.10.65]) by lmco.com (PMDF > V5.1-10 #20546) with ESMTP id <0F7K00FMA097ES at lmco.com> for > BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 06:36:43 -0500 (EST) >Received: by emss05m01.sanders.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) > id ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 06:41:43 -0500 >Content-return: allowed >MIME-version: 1.0 >X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) >Content-type: text/plain >Message-ID: <91B3F4CA7220D1118BA00000F83114BD021CF288 at emss05m03.sanders.lmco.com> >Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 06:30:51 -0500 >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >From: "Hall, Russell J" >Subject: King Crimson? >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > >Could any of you all tell me something of King Crimson. >Someone (a HW fan) told me that I should give'm a listen. >Just wondering what others think of them, before I try to >track some albums/CDs down. > >thanks ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Mon Feb 22 10:56:09 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 07:56:09 -0800 Subject: BOC in S.D. Message-ID: Why not? I'm not comparing musical styles or even basic philosophies... They're worlds apart. I happen to be a big long time fan of both bands... The quote seemed to fit so I used it. Whats not "right" about it? If you need a connection, I refer you back to Transmaniacon M.C. and Altamont. I'm curious about your objection... -----Original Message----- From: DASLUD at AOL.COM [mailto:DASLUD at AOL.COM] Sent: Saturday, February 20, 1999 7:07 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: BOC in S.D. gee, dunno as if i'd mingle a grateful dead cliche w/BOC....just ain't right... From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Feb 22 11:21:18 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 08:21:18 -0800 Subject: OFF:Shadow Gallery Message-ID: OFF: SHADOW GALLERY >Has any one out there heard of the band SHADOW GALLERY? >I came across the name as I was looking at things on the cdnow >website and wondered how they were. Any help would be >appreciated. >Yeah, I have their second CD, "Carved in stone". They're a progressive rock band, leaning towards metal. But it's really very good if you're into that kind of music. It's one of my favorite prog albums. If you like Dream Theater, for instance, you should like this too. Response delayed since I haven't been in the office the last few days. Ditto this recommendation. If you like Progressive Rock ala Dream Theater you should like Carved in Stone. Its pretty good. These guys don't get as "over the top" as DT does but its pretty good stuff. Ghostship is 20+ minutes but it can hold my attention. >They have a new album out, called "Tyranny", which is from what I hear even better than "Carved in stone" ! Haven't heard the latest one and I'm searching for the debut disc which was recently (couple of months ago) re-released. Ghost in the Ruins NP - Galactic Cowboys: At the End of the Day From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Feb 22 11:45:50 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:45:50 +0000 Subject: OFF: CABLE In-Reply-To: <3bcae4d7.36d0de67@aol.com> Message-ID: >The group is called Cable, the album is "Live at Brixton Prison" EP. The group >and the CD's origin is British. I'm not exactly sure how to define the music, >maybe "alterna-punk" might be appropriate, released '97. Since there are so >many Brits here, perhaps someone is into them or knows something about 'em... now i can't be sure about this but i'm fairly certain that Cable are a Derby band (again, not sure; do you know Mark?) i know a couple of folk in the derby baby-punk scene so the next time i bump into any of 'em i'll try and find out a bit more. they seem to play pretty regularly around here which is what's leading me to the assumption they from these parts. I *might* have seen them playing with Gorilla and The Beekeepers but i can't be entirely sure - not very memorable if it was them, but then my point of reference for punk is always Alternative TV so what do i know? anyway, i'll see what i can find out Dick the Butcher: The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers. Henry VI Pt.2 IV.ii From dawa at INTCON.NET Mon Feb 22 11:53:36 1999 From: dawa at INTCON.NET (Dawa) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:53:36 -0600 Subject: King Crimson? Message-ID: Well damn... a lot of varying opinions on King Crimson so I better chuck in an opinion too :) My 2 favorite King Crimson albums were "Three of A Perfect Pair" and "Discipline" A really cool tape that I picked up once, (I don't know if it is available on CD) was "The Essential King Crimson". It basically ran through the gamut of all their music from the early days right through to the mid eighties. You might want to try to find a "greatest hits" (?) package to see which era sounds best to you. Dawa -- "No Name, No Slogan." - Acid Horse, 1989 From dawa at INTCON.NET Mon Feb 22 12:07:44 1999 From: dawa at INTCON.NET (Dawa) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:07:44 -0600 Subject: King Crimson Message-ID: duh... the album is not called "The Essential King Crimson" Just checked CD now and it's called "The Compact King Crimson" and it is on CD. Dawa -- "No Name, No Slogan." - Acid Horse, 1989 From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Feb 22 07:48:34 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:48:34 GMT Subject: OFF: favour requested Message-ID: The US/UK pipe is down and I can't get access to the following web page: www.suntimes.com/output/news/clint18.html If someone could grab the text and email it to me I'd be most grateful. Also, if anyone has access to the text of the Wall Street Journal article/opinion on Juanita Broaddrick, I'd like to read that too. I believe it was from the Thursday 18th edition. Thanks in advance. FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Feb 22 12:44:31 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:44:31 +0000 Subject: HW : LIVE 70 73 Message-ID: On m?n 22 feb 1999 12.13 +0000 "Dave Berry" wrote: > It's on the remaster of Space Ritual, isn't it? I thought it was the > encore from that gig. Yeah, I don't think there's anything that was on Roadhawks that hasn't been remastered--rather obviates the need for a Roadhawks re-release! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Mon Feb 22 13:17:50 1999 From: blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:17:50 -0700 Subject: BOC:Buck's new toy Message-ID: Want to see a prototype for Bucks new toy? http://www.edromanguitars.com/private.htm 4th picture down. Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Feb 22 13:36:31 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:36:31 -0800 Subject: OFF: Quake and Savatage Message-ID: >Fistful of Alice? Cooper or In Chains? Can you clarify for me. Thanks. >That would be Cooper. Live from Sammy Hagar's Cabo joint... Slash, Rob Zombie and Sammy put in guest appearances. Not bad stuff but, I miss the old Cooper band almost as much as I miss the original BOC line up (am I living in the past or what?) Thanks for clearing that up. Naw you're not living in the past, Alice has played with some great players. >Heard some good things about Half-Life and will be trying that one soon I >hope. HL uses the basic Q2 engine so I'm intrigued. > Can't say enough about this game. Couldn't stop playing till I finished. The only down side was the final few levels and the ending which I found disappointing. But the rest of the game is beyond belief. I felt like I was playing a movie... and the multi-player is a blast as well, especially with the recently patched in team play. I recently DL'ed the demo and some patches but the damn thing won't run very well on this system. Its like watching a slide show. Have a Compaq notebook. Its a 150 mgh with 32 mg RAM. Just not souped enough for these new games I guess. >Ah a kindered spirit. I like the earlier Sav music, Dungeons,. Power of >Night the really agressive stuff. I've tried Wake and Dead Winter Dead but >they don't really start the adrenaline. >I have on tape a really old one called Sirens (I believe.. that's the first track anyway..) which I just love. I also like the one (I'm shitty at remembering album names) with "Hall of the Mountain King" on it... If that stuff doesn't get you pumped, you're dead or in a coma... I tried a later effort, again I forget the title, it was supposed to be an opera ala "Operation: Mind Crime", featuring Jesus Jones the drug dealer or some such.. I didn't like it at all and haven't tried anything else from them since. Its too bad since the other two I have from them are some of my favorite metal ever. OK I'll help ya out here as I am a Savafanatic. Little shaky on the order of the first two as they were releaesed from vault tapes on Metal Blade Records. Not sure which is first chronologically. 1. Sirens 2. The Dungeons Are Calling (ya like sirens you'd LOVE THIS ONE!) 3. Fight For The Rock (too hit oriented for me, but a couple good songs) 4. Power Of the Night (didn't like this one at first but man has it grown on me.) 5. Hall of The Mountain King (Has the song Stange Wings, sounds like Al and BOC circa T&M era) 6. Gutter Ballet (Awesome disc.) 7. Streets a Rock Opera (some great songs but the order just isn't quite right. Songs should be heard individually. My sig comes from this album "Ghost in The Ruins") 8. Edge of Thorns (sentimental fave. First album for Zak Stevens on vox, and the last album Guitarist Cris Oliva made before his death) 9. Handful of Rain ( Title track is one of the great all time rock tunes. Throw it in with Freebird, Stairway to Heaven, Smoke on the Water and Astronomy) 10. Dead Winter Dead (Theme album about the war in Bosnia, excellent symphonic rock). 11. Wake of Magellan ( another theme piece, a shade below DWD in quality) Numbers 1 - 6 are all the same style wise. Though with numbers five and six you can hear trhe origins of the new symphonic sound. Now if you have heard of Tran Siberian Orchestra and their two Christmas albums , well thats Savatage also. They use a different name for those efforts. If you see an album called Dr. Butcher GET IT! Has the early Sirens/Dungeons sound to it, excellent for fraggin'. Sav co-founder Jon Oliva's side project. >Man that sucks. The last BOC show I saw at Jaxx a man was there with his son who couldn't have been more than 13. >They never seem to do anything but club dates in my area... Haven't seen them outdoors since the late 70's when they did a huge stadium show with ZZ Top, Cheap Trick and UFO here. Luckily, they have banned smoking in all bars here in Ca. I would've bitched about this a year ago but now that I've quit smoking (after 27 years!) I'm glad. Still can't bring my kid to a show but at least I won't have to breath smoke all night. I'm holding out hope that I can take my guys to see BOC outdoors this summer. They really want to see Buck Play. Thanks Ghost In the Ruins From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Mon Feb 22 13:49:34 1999 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:49:34 GMT Subject: King Crimson In-Reply-To: <199902221708.MAA05189@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Dawa wrote: >duh... the album is not called "The Essential King Crimson" Just >checked CD now and it's called "The Compact King Crimson" and it is on >CD. One half of this album is the complete 'In The Court', and the other half is the (almost?) complete Discipline. Just a couple of tunes from other albums. Much better KC compilation is "The Young Persons Guide To King Crimson", but unfortunately without the 21'st Century Schizoid Man. -- Goran From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Feb 22 12:49:21 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:49:21 EDT Subject: BOC:Buck's new toy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: "Brad M. Lauchnor" > Want to see a prototype for Bucks new toy? > > http://www.edromanguitars.com/private.htm > > 4th picture down. Brad, ya made my day! Thanks a bunch. The picture a couple frames north of BD's ain't bad either... theo From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Mon Feb 22 15:28:33 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:28:33 -0800 Subject: Off: RE: Savatage Message-ID: >OK I'll help ya out here as I am a Savafanatic. Little shaky on >the order >of the first two as they were releaesed from vault tapes on >Metal Blade >Records. Not sure which is first chronologically. > 1. Sirens Had the above for years and years and still listen to it regularly. > 5. Hall of The Mountain King (Has the song Stange Wings, sounds >like Al and BOC circa T&M era) That's the other one I like.. very heavy and don'tya just love that singer? >7. Streets a Rock Opera (some great songs but the order just >isn't quite right. Songs should be heard individually. My sig >comes from this album "Ghost in The Ruins") Wasn't too thrilled with this one.. The songs seem a bit on the generic side and they rely on the shock value of the lyrics too heavily. I like their older, more melodic sound better. >8. Edge of Thorns (sentimental fave. First album for Zak >Stevens on vox, and the last album Guitarist Cris Oliva made before his death) Wasn't aware of the death.. accident? OD? New singer? Is he as good as the first? I'll have to try some of these others. I had given up after trying "Streets". Do you know the year of the first album? Thanks... Joe From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Feb 22 15:45:56 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:45:56 -0800 Subject: HW: MotU cover and Monster Mag Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:54:53 +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >On s?n 21 feb 1999 23.00 +0000 "Chuck Rosenberg" wrote: > >> 2. Vertigo -- Same, on Amphetamine Reptile, pretty heavy, distorted guitar >> punk 3-piece, w/a pretty straight-forward cover of "MotU". Sounds like they >> could be British. Again, I'm not really into this, so if anyone wants it,e- >> mail... > > Band name sounds familiar ... is Amphetamine Reptile the label? Yeah, that's the one. I like the version of MotU - real straight-ahead, chunky rock. They're actually from St. Paul, Minnesota. Don't know if they're still around. Ironically, the one time that I got to see them play "Master of the Universe", the opening band was TrashCanSchool, still (I'm pretty sure) in the original lineup, which included Paul Fox on bass, who later played with Pressurehed, Farflung and Nik Turner (with whom he played ... "Master of the Universe"! How 'bout that?). I'd suspect that any Vertigo records still in the stores are at budget prices these days, since they never really matched the promise of their AMAZING debut single, "Two Lives". As I recall, that one came out at about the same time as Monster Magnet's "Lizard Johnny", and those were two of my top 7"s for whatever year that was ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Feb 22 16:23:32 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:23:32 -0800 Subject: OFF: Larry Wallis Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Feb 1999 02:01:50 -0000, Andy Gilham wrote: >Just been listening to Lar's _Redbirds_ EP - real vinyl, yet! - good >pub-rock, if it was on CD I'd play it a LOT. IS it on CD? Anybody? >What's he up to these days? Any idea???? Man ... that record came out, what, five years ago? What IS Larry up to? He played with the Deviants in LA about that long ago, but I haven't heard of anything since then ... There weren't very many copies of that 'Redbirds' 12" (all that Shagrat label stuff is real ltd., but the Shagrat the band stuff is pretty amazing!), but I don't even know whether it's "sold out" or not ... ? -Doug ceres at sirius.com From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Mon Feb 22 18:49:05 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:49:05 +0900 Subject: King Crimson? Message-ID: I go along with the people recommending the later stuff. The production is very well done and Fripp's guitar does things mine never could. (I'm sure they missed some notes off mine.) The Projekt 1 and 2 stuff is permanently loaded into the CD deck at the moment. Project 2 live is a superbly spacey "lights off, eyes closed" vibe that disappears into chaos every now and again. Definitely music to lie in a field to. BTW, does every copy of Projekt 2's live album lose the audio half way through track 10? You can never tell with Fripp if it's a pressing accident or he's making a poiont that's way over my head Dave From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Mon Feb 22 19:22:52 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:22:52 -0500 Subject: OFF: Is it King Crimson or is it Memorex? In-Reply-To: <36D1ECF1.333B@virgin.net> Message-ID: At 08:49 AM 2/23/99 +0900, you wrote: >I go along with the people recommending the later stuff. The production >is very well done and Fripp's guitar does things mine never could. (I'm >sure they missed some notes off mine.) The Projekt 1 and 2 stuff is >permanently loaded into the CD deck at the moment. Project 2 live is a >superbly spacey "lights off, eyes closed" vibe that disappears into >chaos every now and again. Definitely music to lie in a field to. As is A Blessing of Tears, Fripp soundscapes disc. > >BTW, does every copy of Projekt 2's live album lose the audio half way >through track 10? You can never tell with Fripp if it's a pressing >accident or he's making a poiont that's way over my head ! never listened that closely. However, on the recommending bandwagon, for good gritty bootleg quality release w/ FIRST RATE liner notes, get _Epitaph_, the Giles/McDonald/Lake/Fripp/Sinfield line up live. It's got BBC sessions, Fillmores and IMHO the definative version of 21st Century Schizoid Man on disc 1. The drumming alone makes that set worth buying. AS for Wetton./Bruford era, The Nightwatch live 2 cd set is masterfully mastered and clean, good jamming, and of course Fracture -- the piece Fripp says is the hardest thing he's ever written. www.discipline.co.uk is the authorized King Crimson/Dicsipline Global Machine/Robert Fripp website. www.elephant-talk.com is the authorized unofficial fripp/Crimson website. The latter has scores of archival poop to read through. Good all in all. Speaking of "Best of"s for KC, Fripp and co. are assembling a heaping handful of discitude called "Cirkus" spanning the groups numerous reincarnations. Neo-golden age, Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Mon Feb 22 19:25:37 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:25:37 EST Subject: HW: MotU cover and Monster Mag Message-ID: In a message dated 99-02-22 10:26:06 EST, you write: << 1. Monster Magnet CD single, containing: Freedom of Choice (just Dave rapping > about free speech for 39 seconds), Big God (non-lp track) and Say It (where > Dave forces a girl to say the words "Monster Magnet"). Does anyone need this? > I'll trade or sell... Sounds weird--some kinda promo or ...? Seems strange that they would release a single without any albums tracks! ---Doesn't appear to be promo in any way. The title of the CD is "Let It Ride", too, and there's no song by that name. But the cover has a Trans-am or something like that on the front. Maybe that crazy Norwegian guy might want this? :) > 2. Vertigo -- Same, on Amphetamine Reptile, pretty heavy, distorted guitar > punk 3-piece, w/a pretty straight-forward cover of "MotU". Sounds like they > could be British. Again, I'm not really into this, so if anyone wants it, e- > mail... Band name sounds familiar ... is Amphetamine Reptile the label? ---Yes, AR is the label. Same label that Helios Creed was on at about the same time, '90. Cheers, Carl -- >> Chuck From EHaas at IX.NETCOM.COM Mon Feb 22 23:53:01 1999 From: EHaas at IX.NETCOM.COM (Eric Haas) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 23:53:01 -0500 Subject: BOC: Sighting...? Message-ID: > My future nephew-in-law (or whatever you'd call him) works for a > company called BOC Gases in the Bethlehem, PA. area. I have no idea > what they do. I just found this out over the weekend. Weird, huh? They make tanks of gasses (like oxygen, argon, etc.) for various industries. From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Feb 23 01:13:37 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 01:13:37 EST Subject: BOC in S.D. Message-ID: i think using the word "right' just then involved the figure of speech i was deploying ....dont worry yrself over it; it's not like i said you werent allowed to like the dead AND boc... ja ne! >>>larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Feb 23 01:26:42 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 01:26:42 EST Subject: King Crimson?/me me me... Message-ID: anamolous to me that you should single out the post-crimson crimson as yr. fave lp's....belew's vocals totally wrecked that lineup for me, sorry....they're great, whenever he's shutting up, which ain't nearly often enough to suit me...(grin) ja ne! >>>>larry b (you can lead a brick to water, but you can't make it float...) From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Feb 23 01:37:51 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 01:37:51 EST Subject: King Crimson? Message-ID: the majority of "essential...crimson" comes from the first lp and "indiscipline"... most of the "editions EG" crimson re-releases became cutout cassettes earlier this decade; i scooped up several..."essential" was there too, but i had that material already... there was another double-length comp of crimson's first go-round, with a broader overview, caled "the young person's guide to king crimson"....but poke around the cutout cassette bins; you might find all but the first lp, incl. "essential", for three or four bucks each>>>even their lesser lp's are worth a listen at that price>>> ja ne! >>>larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Feb 23 02:24:05 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 02:24:05 EST Subject: OFF: Is it King Crimson or is it Memorex? Message-ID: "fracture"....what it done did to my 17 yr. old self.......>>>>SALUD!!! lb From micci at SCI.FI Tue Feb 23 10:26:58 1999 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 17:26:58 +0200 Subject: HW:Alan Davey Message-ID: Hi! I just receive letter from Bedouin info and there is new Alan Davey - Nigel Potter album call Alien Heart. Limited edition 200 only CD LP Total running time 43:26 9 Unreleased tracks recorded between -81&84 before Alan joined HW It?s available now mail order only. Uncrossed postal orders only for 12? Inclusive of P&P to: Nigel Potter c/o Bedouin info. PO box 38. Honiton. Devon. EX 14 9YW Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Feb 23 11:21:01 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:21:01 -0800 Subject: OFF: Savatage Message-ID: >OK I'll help ya out here as I am a Savafanatic. Little shaky on >the order >of the first two as they were releaesed from vault tapes on >Metal Blade >Records. Not sure which is first chronologically. > 1. Sirens >Had the above for years and years and still listen to it regularly. I like this one but Dungeons Are Calling is sooooooo much better, thats just me though. > 5. Hall of The Mountain King (Has the song Stange Wings, sounds >like Al and BOC circa T&M era) >That's the other one I like.. very heavy and don'tya just love that singer? There is a live album called (what else) Ghost in the Ruins. Songs from shows the band did between say 83-85. 24 Hours Ago, Legions, Strange Wings and Hall of The Mountain King all made it from this album. This one is big with Sava die-hards. Jon Oliva (Criss lil' brother) does all vox all the way up through the Streets album. >7. Streets a Rock Opera (some great songs but the order just >isn't quite right. Songs should be heard individually. My sig >comes from this album "Ghost in The Ruins") >Wasn't too thrilled with this one.. The songs seem a bit on the generic side and they rely on the shock value of the lyrics too heavily. I like their older, more melodic sound better. Well this started out as a script for a Broadway play and was later translated into a rock opera. I can't really listen to it as a story. Some of the songs just drag while others if placed on a non-theme album would rock. Jesus Saves, Ghost in the Ruins, Agony and Esctacy and the power ballad Believe are all pretty good by themselves. >8. Edge of Thorns (sentimental fave. First album for Zak >Stevens on vox, and the last album Guitarist Cris Oliva made before his death) >Wasn't aware of the death.. accident? OD? New singer? Is he as good as the first? Unfortunately Criss' flame was extinguished a few years back, victim of a drunk driver. This album was the debut of the new singer Zak Stevens. Now some folks love the older Savatage and some rave over the newer sound. I love them both. Zak has a classicly trained voice with tremendous range, he can sing literally anything. Jon has the classic metal voice however has been known to belt out a great power ballad. Its kinda apples and oranges about who's better. I've heard Zak live sing some of the older stuff originally sung by Jon and he does it with ease. He can't add the "sinister" to Sirens the way Jon could but he can do the songs pretty damn good. Conversely on the latest album (Wake of Maggellan, US version) there are some bonus tracks recorded during sound checks, warm ups and stuff. Jon sings some of Zaks ballads and they smoke. Closest comparision I can come up with is Sabbath with Ozzy (Jon) and Sabbath with Dio (Zak). >I'll have to try some of these others. I had given up after trying "Streets". Do you know the year of the first album? Well the Metal Blade version has like 1994/1995 date on it. I belive these tracks go back to 1980-82 sometime as these releases (Sirens & Dungeons) are the only studio albums not on Atlantic. Some of them may have been recorded when the band was known as Avatar. Since you like the early sound I highly recommend Dungeons, Power of Night and Gutter Ballet. I'd add Jon's side project Dr. Butcher to that list. Same great power metal but with todays production values. One other point about Sirens, Dungeons has a live version sung by Jon. Its not that great as he was obviously drunk singing this one in Germany. A better live version can be found on Ghost in the Ruins. Zak sings Sirens on Japan Live '94 and it too is quite good. The two live ones are pretty expensive imports but its a great way to compare Zak and Jon's vocal styles. If you'd like to try on some of the new style start with Dead Winter Dead, its brilliant. Zak does most of the songs but Jon sneaks in I Am and Dosen't Matter Anyway. Wake, the new one is also quite good, especially Jon's Paragons of Innocence. Ghost in the Ruins NP: Saigon Kick - Lizard From andy.ball at RD.BBC.CO.UK Tue Feb 23 11:45:09 1999 From: andy.ball at RD.BBC.CO.UK (Andy Ball) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:45:09 +0000 Subject: HW:Bedouin Gig dates Message-ID: Hi All, Can anyone confirm if the gig in Brighton is still on for this Thursday (25th Feb)? Thanks! Andy From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Feb 23 11:53:50 1999 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Alexander Hamilton) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:53:50 +0000 Subject: OFF:KINGS X / GALACTIC COWBOYS UK DATES Message-ID: Camden Electric Ballroom April 15 Glasgow Strawberry Fields April 16 Nottingham Rock City April 17 That should please a few of you. NP Monster Magnet - Kick Out The Jams Zeitgeist e-zine PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Feb 23 14:00:30 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:00:30 -0800 Subject: BOC in S.D. Message-ID: I might have been inclined to agree with DASLUD's post, but I was passed a tape of the Stalk-Forrest Group 'St. Celia' LP this weekend, and I'll be darned if the final track doesn't sound almost EXACTLY like a Grateful Dead (circa late 70s?) jam! BTW a GREAT album, even if very little of it sounds like BOC - it really shows how talented Buck and Albert were from the very beginning. If you're a hardcore BOC fan, it will be one of the best $30-$40 you've ever spent ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com On Mon, 22 Feb 1999 07:56:09 -0800, Joseph Brooks wrote: >Why not? I'm not comparing musical styles or even basic philosophies... >They're worlds apart. I happen to be a big long time fan of both bands... >The quote seemed to fit so I used it. Whats not "right" about it? If you >need a connection, I refer you back to Transmaniacon M.C. and Altamont. I'm >curious about your objection... > -----Original Message----- > From: DASLUD at AOL.COM [mailto:DASLUD at AOL.COM] > Sent: Saturday, February 20, 1999 7:07 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: BOC in S.D. > gee, dunno as if i'd mingle a grateful dead cliche > w/BOC....just ain't right... From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Feb 23 14:05:55 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 19:05:55 GMT Subject: HW:Bedouin Gig dates In-Reply-To: Andy Ball's message of Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:45:09 +0000 Message-ID: Andy Ball writes: > Hi All, > Can anyone confirm if the gig in Brighton is still on for this Thursday > (25th Feb)? > Thanks! Judging from a previous message the start of the tour is being delayed until 24th March with the earlier dates originally sheduled before then rearranged and added in after 24th March (except for Liverpool which was cancelled I think) Hope that makes sense! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Tue Feb 23 15:11:35 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:11:35 -0800 Subject: BOC in S.D. Message-ID: That's interesting.. I may have to hunt that sucker down for my collection. But my point was that nowhere in my original post was I comparing the two bands. Musically and philosophically they have little in common (although they did have the loose jam style in the 70's that could be compared somewhat even if the genre (early pre- heavy metal) is completely different. No, in fact, I was referring to my life, not the bands when I said it was a "long strange trip" Then I got curious because DASLUD seemed to be hinting that no self-respecting BOC fan oughtta be quoting the Dead. He has stated that this is not the case so that's good enough for me.. (though he wouldn't expand on what he *did* mean...) Joe -----Original Message----- From: Doug Pearson [mailto:ceres at SIRIUS.COM] Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 11:01 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: BOC in S.D. I might have been inclined to agree with DASLUD's post, but I was passed a tape of the Stalk-Forrest Group 'St. Celia' LP this weekend, and I'll be darned if the final track doesn't sound almost EXACTLY like a Grateful Dead (circa late 70s?) jam! BTW a GREAT album, even if very little of it sounds like BOC - it really shows how talented Buck and Albert were from the very beginning. If you're a hardcore BOC fan, it will be one of the best $30-$40 you've ever spent ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com On Mon, 22 Feb 1999 07:56:09 -0800, Joseph Brooks wrote: >Why not? I'm not comparing musical styles or even basic philosophies... >They're worlds apart. I happen to be a big long time fan of both bands... >The quote seemed to fit so I used it. Whats not "right" about it? If you >need a connection, I refer you back to Transmaniacon M.C. and Altamont. I'm >curious about your objection... > -----Original Message----- > From: DASLUD at AOL.COM [mailto:DASLUD at AOL.COM] > Sent: Saturday, February 20, 1999 7:07 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: BOC in S.D. > gee, dunno as if i'd mingle a grateful dead cliche > w/BOC....just ain't right... From crow at ASCENT.NET Tue Feb 23 16:19:29 1999 From: crow at ASCENT.NET (crow) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:19:29 -0500 Subject: King Crimson Message-ID: All I konw about KC (other than Fripp & Belew) is the song EPITAPH, which I love. A friend of mine was recording a cover of it some years ago and let me sit in. I've looked but have not ben able to find the song on CD yet. crow (confusion is nothing new...) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ted at ALGER.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Feb 23 17:34:03 1999 From: ted at ALGER.DEMON.CO.UK (Ted Alger) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:34:03 +0000 Subject: OFF:KINGS X / GALACTIC COWBOYS UK DATES Message-ID: >Nottingham Rock City April 17 > >That should please a few of you. > HELP!!!! can anyone tell me how I would get to the club and how to get tickets for this show? I would probably be coming down the A1 from the direction of Leeds/York.... any assistance appreciated! Ted From crow at ASCENT.NET Tue Feb 23 20:23:12 1999 From: crow at ASCENT.NET (crow) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 20:23:12 -0500 Subject: BOC:sighting Message-ID: Just the other day I saw a BOC Gasses (from some where in NY) tanker truck parked out behind the local Hospital. crow -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crow at ASCENT.NET Tue Feb 23 20:45:00 1999 From: crow at ASCENT.NET (crow) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 20:45:00 -0500 Subject: HW/BOC:stirring up trouble Message-ID: I've been re-subscribed to this list since the first of this year. I've been reading all the messages trying to get a handle on all the different personalities represented here. I've known Torgo for 25 years (something he may not admit to!) and I've met at least 2 or 3 others at Brain Surgeons shows. What I'm trying to get to is getting to know some of you in a different sort of way. I would like to know what musicians you would pick if you could assemble the "ultimate band". Now I know many would just say HAWKWIND or BOC, but please dig deep into the reaches of your minds and and come up with something like this: Guitars: Buck Dharma & Rory Gallagher Bass: Stuart Hamm Drums: Neil Peart Vocals: Deb Frost & Ronnie James Dio Keys: Alan Lanier I just think it would be kinda cool to see what we come up with. crow (humor me or ignore me; it matters not which) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Tue Feb 23 21:28:23 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 21:28:23 -0500 Subject: HW/BOC:stirring up trouble In-Reply-To: <011d01be5f97$62b9d980$d779f0d0@ValuedAcerCustomer> Message-ID: At 08:45 PM 2/23/99 -0500, you wrote: (humor me or ignore me; it matters not which) No problem. Rhythmguitar :Brother Wayne Kramer Bass: Paul Samwell-Smith Drums: the one and only Albert Bouchard Lead guitar:Robin Trower Organ/Mellotron: Booker T. Vox: f: Deborah Frost m: Muddy Waters (if he was alive) Harmonica: Little Walter ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Feb 23 21:19:19 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 21:19:19 -0500 Subject: HW/BOC:stirring up trouble Message-ID: Crow crows... >What I'm trying to get to is getting to know some of >you in a different sort of way. I would like to know >what musicians you would pick if you could assemble >the "ultimate band". Gtrs/Vocals: Petri Walli & Tommy Bolin Bass: Cliff Burton Drums: Cozy Powell Vocals/Poet: Robert Calvert Synth: Damon Edge Hey, as long as we're dreamin'. :) Keith H. (FAA) From jdelillo at IQUEST.NET Tue Feb 23 22:26:41 1999 From: jdelillo at IQUEST.NET (Joseph DeLillo) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:26:41 -0500 Subject: King Crimson In-Reply-To: <008c01be5f72$36135660$1879f0d0@ValuedAcerCustomer> Message-ID: It is on their first album, In the Court of the Crimson King, it has a big pink face that looks like it is screaming, a really great album all the way through, if you like that one check out Red as well, and Larks's Tongue. At 04:19 PM 2/23/99 -0500, crow wrote: > & Belew) is the song EPITAPH, which A friend of mine was recording a >cover of it some years ago and let I've looked but have not ben able to > find the song on CD yet. crow (confusion is nothing new...) From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Feb 24 00:43:00 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 00:43:00 EST Subject: King Crimson Message-ID: as a bunch of other people here may tell you..."epitaph": first lp/"essential KC" too>>> as for cd status....good question! pretty ambitious of your friend to be recording a cover of "epitaph" ja ne! >>>larry b From mordru at FLITE.NET Wed Feb 24 00:57:09 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 00:57:09 -0500 Subject: HW/BOC:stirring up trouble In-Reply-To: <011d01be5f97$62b9d980$d779f0d0@ValuedAcerCustomer> Message-ID: At 08:45 PM 2/23/99 -0500, you wrote: > I've been re-subscribed to this list since the first of I've been >reading all the messages trying to get a handle on all the different >personalities I've known Torgo for 25 years (something he may not >admit to!) and I've met at least 2 or 3 others at Brain Surgeons shows. >What I'm trying to get to is getting to know some of I would like to >know what musicians you would pick if you could assemble ..... not any kind of authority on this... Guitar - Buck, Huw, Hackett, Gilmour Bass - Lemmy Drums - Peart, Baker, Al Keys (piano) - Warren Zevon Keys (synth) - Franke Vocals - .. Cerisano, Calvert, Gabriel ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Wed Feb 24 01:16:18 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 15:16:18 +0900 Subject: HW/BOC:stirring up trouble Message-ID: Andrew Apold wrote: > > At 08:45 PM 2/23/99 -0500, you wrote: > > I've been re-subscribed to this list since the first of I've been > >reading all the messages trying to get a handle on all the different > >personalities I've known Torgo for 25 years (something he may not > >admit to!) and I've met at least 2 or 3 others at Brain Surgeons shows. > >What I'm trying to get to is getting to know some of I would like to > >know what musicians you would pick if you could assemble > > .....My contribution: > > Guitar - Hillage, Fripp (guest spots), Brock > Bass - Lemmy > Drums - The young Phil Collins (unfashionably) > Keys (piano) - Me (We're dreaming aren't we) > Keys (synth) - Jarre (even more unfashionably) > Vocals - .. Calvert > From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Feb 24 01:25:58 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 01:25:58 EST Subject: HW/BOC:stirring up trouble Message-ID: oh gawd oh gawd, peart and dio in the same group...with any luck the tour flights would be booked on holly-skynyrd airlines.... From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Feb 24 01:45:21 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 01:45:21 EST Subject: BOC:sighting Message-ID: ....and "buffalo springfield" was a model name for a certain steamroller.... larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Feb 24 01:43:53 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 01:43:53 EST Subject: HW/BOC:stirring up trouble Message-ID: kramer/trower guitars? neato!!! but who is ths vocalist, ms. frost, who's been mentioned twice now? ja ne! >>>larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Feb 24 01:41:09 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 01:41:09 EST Subject: BOC in S.D. Message-ID: i think "early pre-heavy metal" would mean something like "rumble" by link wray in the late '50s...or the original version of "train kept a rollin " in '56... perhaps i hadnt been too far from suggesting that "no self-respecting BOC fan..etc" but really, it was just a passing irreverence; guess i dont yet completely know how to palaver with you brits...(it's a f#$%$#g joke! calm down!) cant we all just get a bong??? larry b From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Feb 24 04:41:10 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:41:10 +0000 Subject: HW:Bedouin Gig dates Message-ID: Dunno, but if you're there, stick around for Attilla the Stockbroker and Half Man Half Biscuit in Southwick on the Friday. Cheers, Rich. Andy Ball wrote: > Hi All, > Can anyone confirm if the gig in Brighton is still on for this Thursday > (25th Feb)? > Thanks! > > Andy From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Feb 24 04:42:27 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:42:27 +0000 Subject: HW/BOC:stirring up trouble Message-ID: ROTFLMAO!!!! Cheers, Rich. DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > oh gawd oh gawd, peart and dio in the same group...with any luck the tour > flights would be booked on holly-skynyrd airlines.... From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Feb 24 05:14:42 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:14:42 +0000 Subject: HW/BOC:stirring up trouble Message-ID: On ons 24 feb 1999 01.43 +0000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > but who is ths vocalist, ms. frost, who's been mentioned twice now Deborah Frost who is in no particular order rock journalist, Al Bouchard's wife, and vox/gtr in the Brain Surgeons, and a very cool person. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Feb 24 05:35:23 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:35:23 +0000 Subject: HW/BOC:stirring up trouble Message-ID: On tis 23 feb 1999 21.19 -0500 "Keith Henderson" wrote: > Gtrs/Vocals: Petri Walli & Tommy Bolin > Bass: Cliff Burton > Drums: Cozy Powell > Vocals/Poet: Robert Calvert > Synth: Damon Edge > > Hey, as long as we're dreamin'. :) Ooooh, I'd certainly pick Petri and perhaps Cliff if we could hire 'em back from the Great Jam in the Sky. Maybe I could pair Petri with Duane Allman :) In the meantime, for living rock stars ... well, that's tough. I like a lot of different kinds of music, and not all the players I like would complement each other well (even leaving personalities aside), but here's one vaguely coherent attempt: Gtrs: Martin Barre & Warren Haynes & James Hetfield Bass: Geezer Butler (OR Lemmy) Drum: Al Bouchard (OR Sami Kuoppam?ki) Vox: Emma H?rdelin Snth: Jens from Spacious Mind Though I'd be tempted to have Gaz Jennings, Zakk Wylde, and Michael Amott standing by on guitar (and Buck and Richard Thompson, though that might require further lineup alterations as well). If we could rely on hearing Brock's guitar I'd replace Hetfield with him :) Allan Woody on standby for bass, and June Tabor on standby for vocals (though I've not heard her recently and don't know if her voice will carry a band like this these days). I'd probably get Jimmy Page and Chris Goss to co-produce :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 24 06:16:32 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 11:16:32 GMT Subject: Which day at Strange Daze '98 did Hawkwind play? Message-ID: See above. P.S. Could someone who has the list administrivia and subscription info please email it to Ron at: sprawl at bboard.com He needs to resubscribe from his new e-home. Cheers FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 24 06:47:59 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 11:47:59 GMT Subject: HW. U.K Tour 97 video preview In-Reply-To: Andrew Dawson's message of Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:20:38 +0100 Message-ID: Andrew Dawson writes: Does anyone know if such a video ever got released? > Hi folks, > Outlaw TV have a RealVideoG2 demo trailer of what appears to be a > forthcoming Hawk video from Visionary. It is 3 minutes long and starts with > an interview with the band and then live footage of Reptoid Vision. Not > sure what show it is taken from though. There is also the Assassins of > Allah track from the Love in Space video. > > http://outlawtv.simplenet.com/music/hawkwind/ > > Andy From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 24 06:53:51 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 11:53:51 GMT Subject: OFF: Calling space travellers...Bucharest Message-ID: Has anyone visited Bucharest(sp?) We're thinking of going there to see the solar eclipse this summer and would be interested in comments/tips concerning such a destination. Ta in advance FoFP From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Feb 24 08:04:03 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:04:03 +0000 Subject: HW/BOC:stirring up trouble In-Reply-To: <011d01be5f97$62b9d980$d779f0d0@ValuedAcerCustomer> Message-ID: > > > the "ultimate band".?? > ? imho and trying to make it non-hw (and all prior to accidents/collapsed lungs/becoming a bit crap etc.): guitars (interchangeable depending on the sound of any particular song): Sonic Boom, Steve Hillage, Wayne Kramer, Kimberley Rew grinding buzzsaw guitar: Poison Ivy (because, just because ok? 8) bass: JJ Burnel drums: Dino Ferari percussion: Robert Wyatt synths: Brian Eno, Martin Rev keys: Sean O'Hagen electric jug: Tommy Hall vox: Syd Barrett/Mark Perry/Eve Libertine Staciaesque Dancer (not sure how eve libertine would like it but never mind): a somewhat contentious choice - the artist formerly known as ginger spice: Geri Halliwell lightshow: Fritz Lang manager: Machiavelli guru: that bloke from One Man and His Dog now that he's on the dole, Phil Drabble? err, i think i'd better stop now andrew Mama 'll have to buy him a muzzle: Sit when I say "sit!" And come when I whistle -Thee Headcoatees From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Feb 24 08:09:25 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:09:25 +0000 Subject: BOC in S.D. In-Reply-To: <7011f76.36d39f05@aol.com> Message-ID: At 01:41 24/02/99 -0500, you wrote: >i think "early pre-heavy metal" would mean something like "rumble" by link >wray in the late '50s...or the original version of "train kept a rollin " in >'56... > ohh, now yr talkin' link wray - rock'n'roll god, his song 'hidden charms' - all time trash classic. train kept a rollin' - johnny burnette and the rock'n'roll trio other sylystic antecedents from the 50s: hardcore punk: hot lips baby - herbie duncan oldschool punk: she said - hasil 'haze' adkins psychedelia: funnel of love - wanda jackson etc etc etc andrew Dick the Butcher: The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers. Henry VI Pt.2 IV.ii From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Wed Feb 24 08:59:17 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 08:59:17 -0500 Subject: Change of Address Message-ID: I have changed my email address for receiving my "BOC" mail. If any of you have me in your address books (I know, what an egotistical thing for me to assume ;) ), please note that my email address is no longer: jswartz at mbunix.mitre.org It is now: jswartz at mitre.org That is all for now, John -- John A. Swartz - The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA - jswartz at mitre.org "Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to Anger. Anger leads to Hate. Hate leads to SUFFERING." -- Yoda (Star Wars: Episode 1 - The Phantom Menace) From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Wed Feb 24 10:06:35 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans (NJMO)) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 16:06:35 +0100 Subject: HW/BOC:stirring up trouble In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Op 24 Feb 99, om 13:04, andrew schreef: > > Staciaesque Dancer (not sure how eve libertine would like it but never > mind): a somewhat contentious choice - the artist formerly known as ginger > spice: Geri Halliwell Why not try that strange woman called Pamala Anderson she seems way out to me ;-) --BArt From bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Feb 24 10:09:27 1999 From: bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 07:09:27 PST Subject: HW/BOC:stirring up trouble Message-ID: >but who is ths vocalist, ms. frost, who's been mentioned twice now? > >ja ne! > >>>>larry b Talented lead singer of the Brain Surgeons. My band- it doesn't have to make sense, does it? ;-) Lead guitar: Nick Saloman Rhythm guitar: Deniz Tek Bass: Les Claypool Vocals: Elvis Costello Drums: Jason Finn (of PUSA) Hey crow! Good to see you back on the list. Hopefully there will be some more Surgeons shows in the area this year to check out. Brian ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Feb 24 10:45:03 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:45:03 EST Subject: HW/BOC:stirring up trouble Message-ID: am definitely enjoying these band lineups y'all are throwing out.... From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Feb 24 11:11:07 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:11:07 -0600 Subject: OFF:King's X and starting trouble Message-ID: >KINGS X / GALACTIC COWBOYS UK DATES >Camden Electric Ballroom April 15 >Glasgow Strawberry Fields April 16 >Nottingham Rock City April 17 >That should please a few of you. If you love music then you will not want to miss King's X! T-man>HELP!!!! can anyone tell me how I would get to the club and how to get tickets for this show? I would probably be coming down the A1 from the direction of Leeds/York.... any assistance appreciated! >Ted No fear Ted, you'll get to this gig and will be rewarded for your patience. Trying to get some word on Ty's recovery, wanna make sure the "X-men" are on that plane. If I hear anything I'll let you know private E-mail. >I've been re-subscribed to this list since the first of this year. I've been reading all the messages trying to get a handle on all the different personalities=20 represented here. I've known Torgo for 25 years (something he may not admit to!) and I've met at least 2 or 3 others at Brain Surgeons shows. Hello. You cannot hide. I know you. You are the guy who first exposed me to Gretchen Goes to Nebraska. Rich, you da man! >What I'm trying to get to is getting to know some of=20 you in a different sort of way. I would like to know what musicians you would pick if you could assemble the "ultimate band". =20 Now I know many would just say HAWKWIND or BOC, but please dig deep into the reaches of your minds and and come up with something like this: Guitars: Buck Dharma & Rory Gallagher Bass: Stuart Hamm Drums: Neil Peart Vocals: Deb Frost & Ronnie James Dio Keys: Alan Lanier OK Rich I'll bite my band would look just like this: Bass/Vox - Doug Pinnick Guitar/Vox - Ty Tabor Drums/Vox - Jerry Gaskill Don't need no keyboards, they would only be in the way. It dosen't get any better than these three as those who make the European tour will soon find out. L8er Ghost in the Ruins (You still not sure Rich then ask Torgo) NP- King's X, Tapehead From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Feb 24 11:03:14 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 11:03:14 -0500 Subject: Which day at Strange Daze '98 did Hawkwind play? Message-ID: Mike asks... >See above. They played on Saturday night...must've been Aug. 15th, since I know Friday was the 10th anniv. of Bob Calvert's death. And the noise curfew was midnight, so I know they didn't play into Sunday morning. :( This year will be different! Keith H. (FAA) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Feb 24 11:09:03 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 11:09:03 -0500 Subject: OFF: Calling space travellers...Bucharest Message-ID: Mike asks... >Has anyone visited Bucharest(sp?) We're thinking of going there to see the >solar eclipse this summer and would be interested in comments/tips >concerning such a destination. Nope, but I just thought I'd point out that there is a outdoor music festival going on in Ozora, Hungary (1.5 hrs. away from Budapest) that will coincide with the eclipse. It's called 'solipse' and they have their own webpage at: www.solipse.com (not surprisingly) I believe most of the music will be trance/electronica (most of which I could do without), but there's one band (Korai Orom) that I'd love to see. They certainly have trancey elements to their music, but it's some of the best and most original space rock music I've heard in years. Keith H. (FAA) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Feb 24 12:22:38 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:22:38 +0000 Subject: HW/BOC:stirring up trouble In-Reply-To: <011d01be5f97$62b9d980$d779f0d0@ValuedAcerCustomer> Message-ID: Umm... totally in the realms of fantasy, I think it would have to be two groups, as if you put some of these people in the same band blood would be spilt, but, how about... Vox: John Garcia Gtrs: Denny Dias, Ed King Bass: Joe Bouchard Drums: Dave Grohl Keys/synth: Tommy Grenas Possibly not the best group ever, but by Gods it would go fast... And then for space travel: Vox/gtr: Dave Brock Ld. gtr: Syd Barrett (as was) Bass: Lemmy or an acceptable substitute: Juba Nurmenniemi? Drums: Russell Hunter, Mitch Mitchell Synth/keys: Chris Franke, Seaweed With guest appearances by Simon House on violin, Dave Wyndorf on theramin, and Udo Dennebourg on flute, and if at all possible the ghost of Bob Calvert to do 'Sonic Attack'. Yours, Jon -- /_______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Epsilon oscillator psychotronic attenuation shift - AFFIRMATIVE!" | | ICU | \_______________________________________________________________________/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Feb 24 12:44:41 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:44:41 +0000 Subject: BOC/HW: Stirring up trouble Message-ID: No, actually, take Mitch Mitchell off and bring on Brant Bjork. That's better. Yours, Jon -- /_______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Epsilon oscillator psychotronic attenuation shift - AFFIRMATIVE!" | | ICU | \_______________________________________________________________________/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 24 12:59:30 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:59:30 GMT Subject: OFF: favour requested Message-ID: If NBC really do air the Dateline interview with Juanita Broaddrick, could someone please record it and mail it to me. I'll refund costs or send Hawkwind tapes at the discretion of the sender. We're unlikely to see unbiased news of it over in the UK and very unlikely to see the interview uncut. I'd like to make my own mind up about the woman's credibility. Thanks in advance FoFP From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Feb 24 12:41:18 1999 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Alexander Hamilton) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:41:18 +0000 Subject: OFF: MONSTER MAGNET Message-ID: The promo CDS being mentioned on list is an internet only release available from http://www.monstermagnet.net The new single release is another two parter; CD1 Space Lord (edit) / Big God / Space Lord (video) CD2 Space Lord (edit) / Kick Out The Jams / Powertrip Zeitgeist e-zine PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Feb 24 15:41:10 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 20:41:10 +0000 Subject: OFF: Calling space travellers...Bucharest In-Reply-To: <199902241153.LAA07942@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: >Has anyone visited Bucharest(sp?) We're thinking of going there to see the >solar eclipse this summer and would be interested in comments/tips >concerning such a destination. well, as the Chaos Lords have it! tonight there are apparently going to be some Hungarian folk down the pub tonight so i'll see what i can find out (preliminary warning: they may be of any age between 16-70) andrew Dick the Butcher: The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers. Henry VI Pt.2 IV.ii From bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Feb 24 15:49:04 1999 From: bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 12:49:04 PST Subject: HW/BOC:stirring up trouble Message-ID: Forgot something. Keyboards: Jon Lord Synths: Eddie Van Halen (to take his ego down a notch) >My band- it doesn't have to make sense, does it? ;-) >Lead guitar: Nick Saloman >Rhythm guitar: Deniz Tek >Bass: Les Claypool >Vocals: Elvis Costello >Drums: Jason Finn (of PUSA) Brian ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Feb 24 15:52:07 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 20:52:07 -0000 Subject: OFF: Wayne Kramer in London Message-ID: Wayne's playing one night at the Underworld on April 2. You gonna make it this time, Chris? :) - Andy ObCD: Sonic's Rendezvous - _Sweet Nothing_ mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Feb 24 15:55:05 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 20:55:05 -0000 Subject: OFF: Calling space travellers...Bucharest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > well, as the Chaos Lords have it! tonight there are apparently going to be > some Hungarian folk down the pub tonight so i'll see what i can find out > (preliminary warning: they may be of any age between 16-70) But Bucharest's in Romania, not Hungary... :) Budapest I can help you with: don't use the taxis because they're run by the mob, and don't go to the Gellert baths on Tuesdays... - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Feb 24 18:24:09 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:24:09 EST Subject: HW/BOC:stirring up trouble Message-ID: In a message dated 99-02-24 15:50:31 EST, you write: << >My band- it doesn't have to make sense, does it? ;-) >> I hope not, because I doubt that mine will: bass: Lothar Meid guit: Brock lead guit: Hank Sherman (Mercyful Fate) and Huw and Acc. Guit: Jeff Martin (Tea Party) Lead Vox: Mark Shelton (Manilla Road) backing vox: Flo and Eddie Drums: Pierre Moerlin and Jaki Liebezeit synths: Len del Rio and Grenas Sax: Diddier Malherbe and Ian Underwood Flute: Nik That was fun...just what I needed, Chuck From wilco at WYBBS.MI.ORG Wed Feb 24 18:44:12 1999 From: wilco at WYBBS.MI.ORG (mjt) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:44:12 -0500 Subject: HW/BOC:stirring up trouble Message-ID: Here we go -- favorite musicians all stuck together. Lead Guitar(s): Brian May, Buck, John Petrucci, maybe some Steve Howe fingerplucking Vocals: James LaBrie, Freddie Mercury, Bono Bass: Chris Squire dueling with John Deacon Drums: Mike Portney, Keith Moon and Bonzo all vying for control of the pulse... Synths: Rick Wakeman and Kevin Moore goin' at it, with Manfred Mann kicking in his bits Songwriting: Sandy Pearlman, Trent Reznor, Bruce Springsteen all get their moments to shine Producer: Roy Thomas Baker, Flood or Sandy Pearlman And yeah, before some smartass brings up how unweildy this band would be on stage, it'd be neat to see, eh? mjt -- ICQ: 3856787 From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Wed Feb 24 18:57:17 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 08:57:17 +0900 Subject: OFF: favour requested Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > > If NBC really do air the Dateline interview with Juanita Broaddrick, > could someone please record it and mail it to me. I'll refund costs or > send Hawkwind tapes at the discretion of the sender. > > We're unlikely to see unbiased news of it over in the UK and very > unlikely to see the interview uncut. I'd like to make my own mind up > about the woman's credibility. > > Thanks in advance > > FoFP I'm missing something here. What'a this about? Dave From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Wed Feb 24 19:17:36 1999 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:17:36 EST Subject: fanzines Message-ID: hello, I'm in the middle of cleaning out my closet, and finding tons of fanzines etc, i found an extra copy of "Strider News" #6 1998. there is a nice interview with Dave Brock in this issue and it's overall quite a nice zine. Anyone interested in obtaining it, email me with your address and I'll send it out. Also, I found a bunch of Tenticles of Erpland. i have issue #'s: 1 through 13 minus issue #'s 3 & 8. they are going into the circular file unless some1 is interested in them, please email me, you'll have to supply postage as they will cost a bit to mail out. If I get no replies for the T of E fanzines within 24 hours, they will go the way of all murdered trees. Also, also, if i turn up any extra Hawkwind fanzines, I'll be sure to make them available here. Bob http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Feb 24 20:59:19 1999 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 20:59:19 -0500 Subject: HW/BOC:stirring up trouble Message-ID: Oh what the hell, If Crow can post then I might have to come out of lurkerdom: Mind you these were thought of with very little thought (gee that made sense), while I was half asleep. Guitars: Colin James and Richie Blackmore Drums: Roger Taylor Bass: Geddy Lee Keyboards: Honey (don't know her last name, she plays with Rod Piazza and the mighty fliers, and she is simply brilliant) Vocals: Dan McCafferty Dance: Jason Torgo has left the building............... ************************************************************ drtorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos http://welcome.to/joedon ************************************************************ From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Feb 24 23:04:51 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 04:04:51 +0000 Subject: OFF: Calling space travellers...Bucharest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >well, as the Chaos Lords have it! tonight there are apparently going to be >some Hungarian folk down the pub tonight so i'll see what i can find out well okay, they were pre-'change' factory managers znd whean i asked about 'music clubs and cheao hoteals' they had a kinda salt-mine look in their eye; but i troed anyway... amyway i was there in '87 and it was loads of fun then (details hazy, but a good place to go) andrew Mama 'll have to buy him a muzzle: Sit when I say "sit!" And come when I whistle -Thee Headcoatees From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Feb 24 23:06:45 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 04:06:45 +0000 Subject: OFF: Calling space travellers...Bucharest In-Reply-To: <000101be6037$f45c25a0$6b3f63c3@default> Message-ID: >But Bucharest's in Romania, not Hungary... :) > >Budapest I can help you with: don't use the taxis because they're run by the > ahhh budapest shmudapest it's all finnish to me andrew Mama 'll have to buy him a muzzle: Sit when I say "sit!" And come when I whistle -Thee Headcoatees From bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Feb 25 00:23:19 1999 From: bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 21:23:19 PST Subject: OFF: New Bevis Frond Message-ID: I just saw this at http://www.flydaddy.com The Bevis Frond "Vavona Burr" CD/2LP April 20 Anyone who catches them on their current European tour, be on the lookout for new material (and please let us know what it's like). Another band that this list turned me on to, The Olivia Tremor Control, also have a new album coming out on Flydaddy called "Black Foliage." It's due out on March 23. I highly recommend them, but don't ask me to describe their music.... Hopefully, the new Surgeons double album will be out in March too. Anyone heard any recent news on it? I know it came out to 20 tracks, but I'm still not sure what the title is, or the titles of any of the songs. Brian ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Thu Feb 25 01:00:17 1999 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:00:17 -0700 Subject: Drinking Anything. At All. Message-ID: Oh, unless you ignore the short-lived line-up for that none-off gig as MOTOR GONG. Ah, the Bass Growl and the Space Whisper, what a show! Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Sommers [mailto:novadrive at pangeatech.com] > Sent: Sunday, February 21, 1999 2:49 PM > To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Subject: RE: Drinking Anything. At All. > > > > I was insulting the corpses I had just attempted to enliven with my wit. > > On BOC-L a question like "Blake or Wordsworth?" would draw half a dozen > > interesting responses, on chat it gets "Karma, U R nutz." > > -- > > Jon > > > Well, it seems completely obvious to me that you are referring > (or maybe reefering?) to Hawkwind's concert at Camden Electric > Ballroom on Dec 29, 1979, since this is the only time that Lemmy > (see Motorhead's 1978 concert CD "What's Words Worth") shared a > stage with Tim Blake, so perhaps U Rn't nutz. > > Kevin Sommers > > primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu > From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Feb 25 01:48:01 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 01:48:01 EST Subject: ssssub-sub--MISSION>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: my turn: LINEUP A: PHIL MANZANERA/JAMES GURLEY guitars KIETH MOON drums BOOTSY COLLINS bass/voc JACK NIETZCHE piano (probly spelt that wrong) BRIAN ENO electronics/treatments/voc LINEUP B: RANDY CALIFORNIA guitar/voc KEITH LEVINE guitar BILL BRUFORD drums FELIX PAPPALARDI bass/voc EDDIE JOBSON violin/etc LINEUP C: ROBERT FRIPP guitar, loops TED FALCONI guitar TONY WILLIAMS drums GENE KRUPA drums NICK SALOMAN bass/voc TERMINATOR X scratches, loops, fx OFRA HAZA vocals i was gonna add a lineup of "people whose names i cant remember or never knew", like the electric prunes' lead guitarist , the zombies' drummer, etc.... also decided not to use hawkwind people, and yanked flo and eddie after they got another gig here somewhere... ja ne! >>>larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Feb 25 01:51:07 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 01:51:07 EST Subject: fanzines Message-ID: hi! sure, i'll take the stridernews...been meaning to ask you what if anything had transpired in regards to das l. showing up on someone's cd-rom.........? ja ne! larry boyd po box 4016 plymouth ma 02361-4016 From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Feb 25 03:56:53 1999 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 08:56:53 +0000 Subject: OFF: Wayne Kramer in London In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 24 Feb 1999 20:52:07 GMT." <000001be6037$8ab5f180$6b3f63c3@default> Message-ID: > Wayne's playing one night at the Underworld on April 2. You gonna make it > this time, Chris? :) > > - Andy Bugger. I'll be in the Himalayas by then. Tim ObCD: Controlled Bleeding, _Songs from the Drain_ From Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Feb 25 05:03:08 1999 From: Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK (Neil Ward) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:03:08 GMT Subject: HW:Bedouin Gig dates In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990223164509.00948cc0@sunf0> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:45:09 +0000, you wrote: >Hi All, >Can anyone confirm if the gig in Brighton is still on for this Thursday >(25th Feb)? >Thanks! > >Andy Yes, Brighton is almost certainly on, but please check on the day before setting out. I once drove 150 miles to a Hawkwind gig which was cancelled, ouch! Neil. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Feb 25 05:23:29 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:23:29 -0000 Subject: OFF: Wayne Kramer in London In-Reply-To: <199902250856.IAA04665@aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: > Bugger. I'll be in the Himalayas by then. Just take a copy of _LLMF_ for your Walkman :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Feb 25 00:37:23 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 05:37:23 +0000 Subject: OFF: favour requested Message-ID: > M Holmes wrote: > > > > If NBC really do air the Dateline interview with Juanita Broaddrick, > > could someone please record it and mail it to me. I'll refund costs or > > send Hawkwind tapes at the discretion of the sender. > > > > We're unlikely to see unbiased news of it over in the UK and very > > unlikely to see the interview uncut. I'd like to make my own mind up > > about the woman's credibility. > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > FoFP > > I'm missing something here. What'a this about? > > Dave She'd the lady who claims Bill Clinton raped her in 1978 when he was ARkansas Attorney General. -- Nick From pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Feb 25 06:16:38 1999 From: pseudo_sun at HOTMAIL.COM (Juha Nurmenniemi) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 03:16:38 PST Subject: fanzines Message-ID: Hi Bob! I?d like to have a copy of the Strider,please. I?d also like the zine with the CD from Strange Daze,what amount of money do you want for it? Juba >>From owner-boc-l at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Wed Feb 24 16:41:48 1999 >Received: from [192.107.46.113] by hotmail.com (1.1) with SMTP id MHotMailB89DE74222FCCD1017082C06B2E7111AF0; Wed Feb 24 16:41:48 1999 >Received: from listserv.spc.edu (listserv at listserv.spc.edu [192.107.46.113]) > by listserv.spc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.8/SPC-2.2-NORELAY) with ESMTP id TAA18127; > Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:21:58 -0500 (EST) >Received: from LISTSERV.SPC.EDU by LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release > 1.8b) with spool id 17136 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Wed, 24 Feb > 1999 19:21:57 -0500 >Received: from mailgate.spc.edu (root at mailgate.spc.edu [192.107.46.158]) by > listserv.spc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.8/SPC-2.2-NORELAY) with ESMTP id TAA18120 > for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:21:56 -0500 (EST) >Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by > mailgate.spc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/SPC-3.0-NORELAY) with ESMTP id TAA28717 > for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:21:53 -0500 (EST) >Received: from Hawkwinder at aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id QXBYa23166 > for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:17:36 +1900 (EST) >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 >Message-ID: >Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:17:36 EST >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >From: Bob Lennon >Subject: fanzines >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > >hello, >I'm in the middle of cleaning out my closet, and finding tons of fanzines etc, >i found an extra copy of "Strider News" #6 1998. there is a nice interview >with Dave Brock in this issue and it's overall quite a nice zine. Anyone >interested in obtaining it, email me with your address and I'll send it out. > >Also, I found a bunch of Tenticles of Erpland. i have issue #'s: 1 through 13 >minus issue #'s 3 & 8. >they are going into the circular file unless some1 is interested in them, >please email me, you'll have to supply postage as they will cost a bit to mail >out. >If I get no replies for the T of E fanzines within 24 hours, they will go the >way of all murdered trees. >Also, also, if i turn up any extra Hawkwind fanzines, I'll be sure to make >them available here. >Bob >http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From andy.ball at RD.BBC.CO.UK Thu Feb 25 06:30:29 1999 From: andy.ball at RD.BBC.CO.UK (Andy Ball) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 11:30:29 +0000 Subject: HW:Bedouin Gig dates In-Reply-To: <36d51ef7.5642119@FAWXMAIN> Message-ID: Thanks for all the replies about the Bedouin gig at the Albert pub in Brighton tonight. (thurs 25th Feb). I called the venue, they could not confirm things, but gave me the number of the promoter. I keep getting the answerphone, but I'll keep trying. I'll let you know the outcome. As I'll be making a 100mile round trip I'll be p***ed off if I turned up and it wasn't on! Andy At 10:03 25/02/99 GMT, you wrote: >On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:45:09 +0000, you wrote: > >>Hi All, >>Can anyone confirm if the gig in Brighton is still on for this Thursday >>(25th Feb)? >>Thanks! >> >>Andy > >Yes, Brighton is almost certainly on, but please check on the day >before setting out. >I once drove 150 miles to a Hawkwind gig which was cancelled, ouch! > >Neil. > > From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Thu Feb 25 06:08:28 1999 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 13:08:28 +0200 Subject: OFF:GONG Message-ID: Just in from the world of GONG: daevid allen's university of error s Established 1998, Prof. Daevid Allen, Headmaster Maximum Space Rock--part of the Gong Global Famiy Message From Hyperspace: Bananamoon Observatory, San Francisco Outpost A new band formed in San Francisco in the fall of 1998 featuring the legendary alien grandfather of british techno, master of psychedelic space punk, and cosmic catalyst of the legendary Soft Machine and Gong-- Daevid Allen- spinning wild tales and tribalspace wisdom with glissando and lewd guitar. The faculty of the University is drawn from a pool of musicians affiliated with SF space improv band Mushroom: full professorships were conferred upon drummer Pat Thomas, angular guitar whiz Josh Pollock, bassist Michael Clare, with associate professors/multi-instrumentalists Jay Radford and Erik Pearson. The spring curriculum includes the release of a debut album "Money Doesn't Make It" recorded on a magickal weekend in September 1998, , the debut performances of the band in San Francisco and Los Angeles in mid March, and recording of a followup album. Gigs: March 17- Bottom Of The Hill, San Francisco with Malcolm Mooney And The 10th Planet advance tickets at http://www.ticketweb.com March 18-Spaceland, Los Angeles for more information and enrollment details: Banamoon Observatory , SF Outpost michael clare, custodian mykelc at earthlink.net 415-922-6178 Scott R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Department of Developmental Biology Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 37 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From andy.ball at RD.BBC.CO.UK Thu Feb 25 07:51:36 1999 From: andy.ball at RD.BBC.CO.UK (Andy Ball) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:51:36 +0000 Subject: HW:Bedouin Gig tonight CANCELLED In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990225113029.0094cd90@sunf0> Message-ID: Hi All, Just got through to the promoters who confirm that the gig at the Albert pub,Brighton tonight has been cancelled.(well actually posponed).The March date still seems to be on. Andy > > >At 10:03 25/02/99 GMT, you wrote: >>On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:45:09 +0000, you wrote: >> >>>Hi All, >>>Can anyone confirm if the gig in Brighton is still on for this Thursday >>>(25th Feb)? >>>Thanks! >>> >>>Andy >> >>Yes, Brighton is almost certainly on, but please check on the day >>before setting out. >>I once drove 150 miles to a Hawkwind gig which was cancelled, ouch! >> >>Neil. >> >> > > From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Feb 25 07:55:08 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 07:55:08 EST Subject: OFF:GONG Message-ID: how'm i doin so far? here, that is>>> From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Thu Feb 25 08:17:40 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 08:17:40 -0500 Subject: HW/BOC:stirring up trouble In-Reply-To: <199902250158.UAA29536@mailgate.spc.edu> Message-ID: At 08:59 PM 2/24/99 -0500, you wrote: >Oh what the hell, If Crow can post then I might have to come out of >lurkerdom: > >Mind you these were thought of with very little thought (gee that made >sense), while I was half asleep. > >Guitars: Colin James and Richie Blackmore >Drums: Roger Taylor >Bass: Geddy Lee >Keyboards: Honey (don't know her last name, she plays with Rod Piazza and >the mighty fliers, and she is simply brilliant) >Vocals: Dan McCafferty >Dance: Jason HA! AS long as I don't go around like Stacia in a less than clothed state :) It would have been cool if Simon House was violin/mellotron for King crimson, especially since Cross didnt like the 'tron.and House could play the beast. Also, dig this brothers and sisters: Trower and Saloman on duel lead guitar! The warbling tonese would tear the earth asunder. BTW, fer you Syracuse NY people, John Mayall and the Bluesbreakers and Savoy brown have been inserted into the BluesFest. Who is in Mayall's organization these days? COOL! new frond, new surgeons on the horizons I guess I wont be buying bread for a while. J From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Feb 25 09:43:10 1999 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 22:43:10 +0800 Subject: Charisma era CDs In-Reply-To: <000101be5ba0$b5444dc0$c11364cb@default> Message-ID: Hi Max > > After foolishly lending out my Tales from the Atom Henge > CD, I'm left with > precious little Calvert era on cd. Looking, it's none, in fact. Nothing > wrong with having them on vinyl, if it weren't for my turntable being > stuffed. > To whit, does anyone know which of the Calvert-era albums > are still > available on CD? Looking particularly for the Hawklords album, as I don't > even have that on vinyl. Any ideas? > I'm planning to copy my CD's from this era with extra tracks, and repackage them as well with lyrics. After I have done so I'll be selling the originals if you are interested? William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Feb 25 10:00:14 1999 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 23:00:14 +0800 Subject: Charisma era CDs In-Reply-To: <001901be60cd$2a3178c0$03433bcb@xl5> Message-ID: Sorry, that last message was intended for Max From andy.ball at RD.BBC.CO.UK Thu Feb 25 09:51:06 1999 From: andy.ball at RD.BBC.CO.UK (Andy Ball) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 14:51:06 +0000 Subject: HW:Ledge of Darkness Tour? Message-ID: Hi All, A bit late,I know, but I've just noticed on the HW Mission Control page that the Ledge of Darkness tour is now not going to be based on the Bob Walker comic. Anyone with inside info or who would like to speculate on what it will be based on? Also what are the chances that the Hawks will play one massive gig with ex members Lemmy,NickT,Huw,Harvey,Alan etc? Now that would be something!(not that the 97 tour was bad). Andy From age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Feb 24 17:00:03 1999 From: age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Adrian Parr) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 22:00:03 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind: Can you help with the Hawkwind Book Message-ID: Good Evening! A message to Hawkwind fans and those who may have seen them live over the years I'm writing a book on Hawkwind and have recently put a Hawkwind website on the web. From the 'Hawkwind Chronicles' link on the 'Home Page', there are some points I'm still needing info on. Can you help?. Recollections, comments, memories etc, however vague, are most welcome. Get in touch at The 'Hawkeye On Hawkwind' website can be found at Check it out All the best Age -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ERM7 at PGE.COM Thu Feb 25 12:04:12 1999 From: ERM7 at PGE.COM (Magnus, Eric) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 09:04:12 -0800 Subject: BOC: San Francisco 2/24 Message-ID: The Agents of Fortune were on fire last night! Everyone was smiling (even Eric) and playing their hearts out. They couldn't have asked for a more receptive crowd either. Allen was missed (though it was nice that Eric mentioned him), but Al did a superlative pinch hitting job. Actually, after his and Buck's tasty solo in Harvest Moon, I started wishing he could remain with the boys even after Allen returns - his guitar work was a _very_ nice addition to the BOC sound - how many guitars is too much? :) Even though they didn't play any of the songs that were rumored about before this tour started (Harvester, Black Blade, Veterans, etc.) everything they did do was truly perfect. Buck broke a string on his accoustic during In Thee but being the rock god that he is, didn't miss a beat and got the crowd to clap along instead while Eric zipped over and held the broken string out of his way. Danny looked like he was having a ball - he was bouncing all over the stage thumping away on his Fender Jazz. The strobes on Flaming Telepaths were great, I don't know if they came with the club or the band. We watched the Live '76 tape earlier in the day, and while there is something truly special about the original BOC era, I can't think of anything better than standing 3 feet away from Eric and Buck as they rock the house. Here's the setlist, I apologize if the order is off a little in the middle, Buck melted my brain during The Last Days of May. :) Burning For You Cities on Flame Harvest Moon This Ain't The Summer of Love Buck's Boogie ETI Flaming Telepaths Last Days of May See You in Black In Thee ME262 Take Me Away Godzilla Reaper (encore) Jailbreak Red and the Black Eric -- Eric Magnus * San Francisco, CA From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Thu Feb 25 12:34:42 1999 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 18:34:42 +0100 Subject: OFF: New Bevis Frond Message-ID: Brian Halligan schrieb: > I just saw this at http://www.flydaddy.com > > The Bevis Frond > "Vavona Burr" > CD/2LP > April 20 > > Anyone who catches them on their current European tour, be on the > lookout for new material (and please let us know what it's like). What? They are on tour again? Do you know the dates? I saw them on Dec. 18th in Cologne where they played 2 new songs, _Leave a light on_ and _Virus_, both being simple pop songs in the vein of _Stars burn out_. It was the old line-up though -Saloman/Shaw/Watts/Gunther- and the second half of the gig was the most amazing Bevis Frond I?ve ever heard, and I?ve seen them about 20 times! Andreas From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Feb 25 08:04:59 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 13:04:59 +0000 Subject: OFF: favour requested In-Reply-To: <199902251139.GAA07949@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: In article <199902251139.GAA07949 at junior.srt.net>, writes >She'd the lady who claims Bill Clinton raped her in 1978 when he was >ARkansas Attorney General. Not the founder of the Body Shop, then? -- Jon Minstry Of Disinformation From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Feb 25 12:14:25 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 13:14:25 EDT Subject: BOC: San Francisco 2/24 In-Reply-To: <15C9395592CFD011AD1900805FEAD7FD0444BFF1@exchange02.comp.pge.com> Message-ID: From: "Magnus, Eric" > > Here's the setlist, I apologize if the order is off a little in the middle, > Buck melted my brain during The Last Days of May. :) > > Burning For You > Cities on Flame > Harvest Moon > This Ain't The Summer of Love > Buck's Boogie > ETI > Flaming Telepaths > Last Days of May > See You in Black > In Thee > ME262 > Take Me Away > Godzilla > Reaper > > (encore) > > Jailbreak > Red and the Black Kind of a short show, eh? Was that Thin Lizzy's Jailbreak, or another one? theo From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Feb 25 13:31:53 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 18:31:53 GMT Subject: HW:Ledge of Darkness Tour? In-Reply-To: Andy Ball's message of Thu, 25 Feb 1999 14:51:06 +0000 Message-ID: Andy Ball writes: > Hi All, > > A bit late,I know, but I've just noticed on the HW Mission Control page > that the Ledge of Darkness tour is now not going to be based on the Bob > Walker comic. Anyone with inside info or who would like to speculate on > what it will be based on? I was listening (more carefully than I have up 'til now) to IYA the other night and was interested by the several Rizz references to "Hawkwind in your area" and "Hawkwlords" and the Fantasy stuff and I fell to wondering how many of the studio tracks have been issued to us as a foretaste of the Ledge of Darkness scenario and whether they did this to inspire some feedback as an indicator of how things are shaping up. I'm happy with what's on the CD although I have to say that most of the tracks on the live half are sounding more and more like variations on the Brainstorm theme. The melodic tracks are rather good IMO although one of them is edging dangerously close to the perilous depths of "muzak" (the stuff you get in hotel lifts) and I am a tad wary of this..... > Also what are the chances that the Hawks will play one massive gig with ex > members Lemmy,NickT,Huw,Harvey,Alan etc? Slightly greater than zero and slightly less than one I would say > Now that would be something!(not that the 97 tour was bad). Very true! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ERM7 at PGE.COM Thu Feb 25 13:46:48 1999 From: ERM7 at PGE.COM (Magnus, Eric) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:46:48 -0800 Subject: BOC: San Francisco 2/24 Message-ID: It was the Thin Lizzy Jailbreak, they did a great job with it. Eric -- Eric Magnus * San Francisco, CA > ---------- > From: Ted Jackson jr. s2h2[SMTP:tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: Thursday, February 25, 1999 9:14 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: BOC: San Francisco 2/24 > > From: "Magnus, Eric" > > > > Here's the setlist, I apologize if the order is off a little in the > middle, > > Buck melted my brain during The Last Days of May. :) > > > > Burning For You > > Cities on Flame > > Harvest Moon > > This Ain't The Summer of Love > > Buck's Boogie > > ETI > > Flaming Telepaths > > Last Days of May > > See You in Black > > In Thee > > ME262 > > Take Me Away > > Godzilla > > Reaper > > > > (encore) > > > > Jailbreak > > Red and the Black > > Kind of a short show, eh? Was that Thin Lizzy's Jailbreak, or > another one? > > theo > From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Feb 25 13:47:33 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:47:33 -0800 Subject: ssssub-sub--MISSION>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Feb 1999 01:48:01 EST, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: >LINEUP C: ROBERT FRIPP guitar, loops > TED FALCONI guitar Flipper Rules OK!! > TONY WILLIAMS drums > GENE KRUPA drums > NICK SALOMAN bass/voc First Deniz Tek as rhythm guitarist (but then I remember that he played those Stooges songs in New Race), now Nick Saloman as bassist (at which, of course, he does just fine on the Bevis Frond studio recordings)? > TERMINATOR X scratches, loops, fx > OFRA HAZA vocals Wow - Fripp and Terminator X on dueling loops! You're a sick man! And I must be, too, since I also picked a jazz drummer for my band: Col. Bruce Hampton - vocals Ron Asheton - lead guitar Malcolm Young - rhythm guitar Duncan Sanderson - bass Simeon - the Simeon Lora Logic - sax John Cale - viola/keyboards Rashied Ali - drums -Doug ceres at sirius.com From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Thu Feb 25 14:27:00 1999 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 20:27:00 +0100 Subject: ssssub-sub--MISSION>>>>>>>>>>>>> In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990225104733.0085a3c0@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: And Imust be, too, since I also picked a jazz drummer for my band: >Col. Bruce Hampton - vocals >Ron Asheton - lead guitar >Malcolm Young - rhythm guitar >Duncan Sanderson - bass >Simeon - the Simeon >Lora Logic - sax >John Cale - viola/keyboards >Rashied Ali - drums > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com lora logic on sax. remember those good all days with her and essential logic. great music that still is. do you know if anything of her or her band is on cd yet. tia andre From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Feb 25 14:25:03 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 11:25:03 -0800 Subject: Off: Stirring Up Trouble Message-ID: Ok Crow I'll get in the spirit of this thing and do some real thinking and leave the biases at home. Drums: Neil Pert - Rush Bass: Doug Pinnick - King's X (Sorry, nobody else can carry this tone, play those chords and sing like that at the same time.) Guitars: Need 4 - Buck for the Buck stuff, Gary Hoey for the surf music, John Sykes, for the slidey/bluesy stuff and Al Pitrelli for all that technical brillance stuff. Keyboards - Gotta be Rick Wakeman and Jon Oliva, like the classical sounding keys. Vocals - Dan McCafferty, for the throaty yelling stuff. Zak Stevens for the sheer rock power ballads, Paul Rodgers for folky stuff and Al bouchard when ya just wanna have fun. Mind you Oliva fills with McCafferty on the throaty and everyone steps back from the mic when ya need a little bit of soul, thats Doug's job. Lets pick on people... T-man>Mind you these were thought of with very little thought (gee that made sense), while I was half asleep. Guitars: Colin James and Richie Blackmore Drums: Roger Taylor Bass: Geddy Lee Keyboards: Honey (don't know her last name, she plays with Rod Piazza and the mighty fliers, and she is simply brilliant) Vocals: Dan McCafferty Dance: Jason Great hairy howls I gotta pick on this list Torgo. Granted you have some great muscians here but my goodness Dan McCafferty on lead vox and Geddy doing backup vocals? What a sonic attack, the vox of this band. Jason doing the Hawkwind dance part would be worth the price of a ticket. Mjt>And yeah, before some smartass brings up how unweildy this band would be on stage, it'd be neat to see, eh? Farkin' A thats a nice collection, but why not just have Queen and Dream Theater on stage at the same time? We got anyway of knowing for sure if some of these real strange names are actually people? And what about all the dead guys on some lists? Ah what the hell its all in fun. C'ya Ghost in the Ruins NP - Rush, Exit...Stage Left From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Feb 25 14:36:34 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 19:36:34 -0000 Subject: ssssub-sub--MISSION>>>>>>>>>>>>> In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990225104733.0085a3c0@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: > First Deniz Tek as rhythm guitarist (but then I remember that he played > those Stooges songs in New Race), And there's that top version of "Not Right" on the _4-4: the Number of the Beat_ ep, which may actually surpass the original (Rob Younger's on top form there too). > Duncan Sanderson - bass Ah, the Lightning Raiders; got both their singles, waaaaay back when, but afaik the album never materialised and the band folded... I started on one of these dream teams, but got stuck after Niagara on vocals with Howe Gelb on guitar... - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Thu Feb 25 15:04:15 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 15:04:15 -0500 Subject: Off: Stirring Up Trouble In-Reply-To: <199902252001.NAA03647@docws002.shl.com> Message-ID: At 11:25 AM 2/25/99 -0800, you wrote: >sheer rock power ballads, Paul Rodgers for folky stuff Now there's a guy with a varied musical career... going from Free to bad co. to Paul Rogers and his various blues amalgams. For some reason, I can't tell that his free work and Badco are done by the same guy. I dunno...Too many times playing night of the 1000 Guitars at vol. 10 might be detrimental I guess. > Jason >doing the Hawkwind dance part would be worth the price of a ticket. Now here's a thought... petition Hawkwind to adopt me as a dancer for the Ledge tour and then i could givew ev'rybody on the list the lowdown (or the highdown pending on whats ingested. ha) and passes and poop. Now that would be odd. However, not having heard any recent hawkwind might be a setback, but since when has that band ever cared about establishing itself authoritativley? Its hawkwind after all. >Farkin' A thats a nice collection, but why not just have Queen and Dream >Theater on stage at the same time? Could call the tour dueling progsters... and see who can do the most concept album/ stage show stuff. >We got anyway of knowing for sure if some of these real strange names are >actually people? Don't forget you're talking about rock music here.... hard to tell who are actually people in most instances anyways (pointing to glzed eyes and the like). And what about all the dead guys on some lists? Ah what >the hell its all in fun. Maybe they're not quite dead yet... (Pardon the Python ref.) Afraid that my dancing's "public image threatens to overtake its existential reality (Levy)", Jason NP: Soundtrack of _the Prisoner_, Vol. II ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Feb 25 15:30:16 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 20:30:16 -0000 Subject: ssssub-sub--MISSION>>>>>>>>>>>>> In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990225104733.0085a3c0@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: Niagara/Slash/Wurzel/Flea/Abaddon - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mike at PHOENIXPHOTO.COM Thu Feb 25 16:12:56 1999 From: mike at PHOENIXPHOTO.COM (Michael Stanton) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 16:12:56 -0500 Subject: ssssub-sub--MISSION>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: > Niagara/Slash/Wurzel/Flea/Abaddon Ok, I missed the first part of this thread. Are we putting together a band to cover Dominance & Submission? From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Feb 25 16:27:18 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 16:27:18 EST Subject: HW:Ledge of Darkness Tour? Message-ID: what i've heard is that lemmy is psyched about "riding on the bus" w/hawkwind in the states this summer, incl. appearing at strange daze '99, and/but his management is working out details like dealing with motorhead/hw schedule conflicts....it's all easily said but we'll see... ja ne! >>>>larry b From corwyn at GLOBAL2000.NET Thu Feb 25 16:34:41 1999 From: corwyn at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 16:34:41 -0500 Subject: Dreams Message-ID: Thought I would share this with you all: Had a dream last night that Hawkwind was touring the US and we put them up at my house for the night. Introduced Dave to my family. Had a nice conversation with Dave but I don't remember it. Seemed that Ron was AWOL, but Richard and Jerry were in the dream. I know, I am weird, but it made me get all my boots to listen to again. Sort a message from beyond. Mike From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Feb 25 16:42:41 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 16:42:41 EST Subject: ssssub-sub--MISSION>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: the nickster doubles as the bassist for outskirts of infinity... and from one "sick man" (indeed) to another i say to you: simeon? SIMEON???? (grin and grin again) >>>>i think of krupa as a swing drummer, pointing the way towards the cruder stompers to come decades hence (which, ahem, would include moi) >>>saw flipper 3x in '83...falconi playing "slide" w/a beer can at more than one point...torrents of beautiful noise....falconi's real name is larry (he told me because so is mine...), as alluded to in the first line of "get away"... "YOU'RE SO BORED, 'CAUSE YOU'RE BORING...." etc. cant we all just get a bong?? >>larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Feb 25 16:45:17 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 16:45:17 EST Subject: ssssub-sub--MISSION>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: ah yes, the alluring yet repellent NIAGRA.... From matthewc at MICROSOFT.COM Thu Feb 25 16:46:44 1999 From: matthewc at MICROSOFT.COM (Matthew Crinklaw) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 13:46:44 -0800 Subject: San Francisco 2/24 Message-ID: They did the strobes during FT here in Seattle last week. Set list was the same except the didn't play take me away. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Magnus, Eric [mailto:ERM7 at PGE.COM] Sent: Thursday, February 25, 1999 9:04 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: BOC: San Francisco 2/24 The Agents of Fortune were on fire last night! Everyone was smiling (even Eric) and playing their hearts out. They couldn't have asked for a more receptive crowd either. Allen was missed (though it was nice that Eric mentioned him), but Al did a superlative pinch hitting job. Actually, after his and Buck's tasty solo in Harvest Moon, I started wishing he could remain with the boys even after Allen returns - his guitar work was a _very_ nice addition to the BOC sound - how many guitars is too much? :) Even though they didn't play any of the songs that were rumored about before this tour started (Harvester, Black Blade, Veterans, etc.) everything they did do was truly perfect. Buck broke a string on his accoustic during In Thee but being the rock god that he is, didn't miss a beat and got the crowd to clap along instead while Eric zipped over and held the broken string out of his way. Danny looked like he was having a ball - he was bouncing all over the stage thumping away on his Fender Jazz. The strobes on Flaming Telepaths were great, I don't know if they came with the club or the band. We watched the Live '76 tape earlier in the day, and while there is something truly special about the original BOC era, I can't think of anything better than standing 3 feet away from Eric and Buck as they rock the house. Here's the setlist, I apologize if the order is off a little in the middle, Buck melted my brain during The Last Days of May. :) Burning For You Cities on Flame Harvest Moon This Ain't The Summer of Love Buck's Boogie ETI Flaming Telepaths Last Days of May See You in Black In Thee ME262 Take Me Away Godzilla Reaper (encore) Jailbreak Red and the Black Eric -- Eric Magnus * San Francisco, CA From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Feb 25 16:46:20 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 16:46:20 -0500 Subject: Dreams Message-ID: >Thought I would share this with you all: > >Had a dream last night that Hawkwind was touring the US and we put them >up at my house for the night. Introduced Dave to my family. Had a nice >conversation with Dave but I don't remember it. Seemed that Ron was >AWOL, but Richard and Jerry were in the dream. I know, I am weird, but >it made me get all my boots to listen to again. Sort a message from >beyond. Remember to hide all your boots before putting them up in your house. ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Feb 25 16:49:25 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 16:49:25 EST Subject: Off: Stirring Up Trouble Message-ID: in free, rogers (rodgers?) was an inspired young man (for what he was doing) but by the days of bad co. he was first and foremost a ROCK STAR....glad he didnt stay there forever (though his accountant may disagree>>>) ja ne! >>>larry b From brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Feb 25 17:39:07 1999 From: brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Brian Coulthard) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 22:39:07 -0000 Subject: BOC-L Stirring up trouble In-Reply-To: <199902251000.FAA20968@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: >Here is my non HW line up Vox Graham Bonnet Guitar Ernie C Bass Klaus Flouride Drums Christoph Schnieder Keyboards Flake I bet they would make a glorious noise. > From ted at ALGER.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Feb 25 17:40:07 1999 From: ted at ALGER.DEMON.CO.UK (Ted Alger) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 22:40:07 +0000 Subject: Off: Stirring Up Trouble In-Reply-To: Message-ID: better hide your head then, cuz I see in the new Guitar World that Bad Co. (original lineup)have recorded 4 new tracks for a new "best of" disc and are doing a 30 city tour of the states....... >in free, rogers (rodgers?) was an inspired young man (for what he was doing) >but by the days of bad co. he was first and foremost a ROCK STAR....glad he >didnt stay there forever (though his accountant may disagree>>>) > >ja ne! >>>>larry b From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Feb 25 17:37:30 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 17:37:30 EST Subject: ssssub-sub--MISSION>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: no, i was playing off the word "submission"...folks have just been putting lineups together, in general... From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Thu Feb 25 18:49:10 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 08:49:10 +0900 Subject: OFF: favour requested Message-ID: > > > > I'm missing something here. What'a this about? > > > > Dave > > She'd the lady who claims Bill Clinton raped her in 1978 when he was > ARkansas Attorney General. > > -- Nick Ah... that one has stayed out of the papers in Tokyo, do I have the energy to trawl cnn.com and find more I wonder... Thanks for the info. Dave From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Feb 25 21:11:27 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 02:11:27 +0000 Subject: BOC: recent live reports Message-ID: Wow. 'This Ain't The Summer', 'Take Me Away', no 'Live For Me' and of all things, a cover? Like the old days? If only they'd come over here again, it seems like they really are exploiting the back catalogue at the moment. Great relief to see 'ME262' back in as well; I was upset when they dropped that. Yours, Jon -- /_______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Epsilon oscillator psychotronic attenuation shift - AFFIRMATIVE!" | | ICU | \_______________________________________________________________________/ From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Thu Feb 25 23:14:13 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 22:14:13 -0600 Subject: HW : New Found CD Message-ID: Hello once again, "Oh great ones of the BOC-I" discussion group. Question of the day. Anyone ever hear or see a French Comp. CD bootie called "Urban Guerilla" ? circa 1993. And yes, I would like a copy if anyone has one for sale. Name your price (under $1000.00) Adding "Never ending story of the Psychedelic Warlords" Book + CD (MINT NEW) on the page tonight... in case anyone is looking for that one. Keep up with the news, and check out the "Whats New(s)" page on Hawkman Music....I'm more than just a store, I'm a CD information source!! Also, before I forget, Is there anyone in Australia (or the rest of the world, for that matter) that can help me find the 3 releases that were issued there? Hall of the Mountain Grill - EMI Masters of the Universe - Pickwick Night of the Hawk - AVM/Powerhouse/Festival. Paul? Thanks for your time, and help on the last info e-mail I sent to ya'll. (That's "southern talk" for YOU ALL) Ya'll come back now! ya hear? Stephan (Hawkman)(Born and raised in New York, now being held hostage in UGLY &$^%*@#@(& OKLAHOMA at a remote Air Force Base....soon to hopefully move to Denver and work for United) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Feb 25 23:17:11 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 23:17:11 EST Subject: Off: Stirring Up Trouble Message-ID: the accountant must be pleased, then... From Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Feb 26 04:08:22 1999 From: Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK (Neil Ward) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:08:22 GMT Subject: HW:Bedouin Gig tonight CANCELLED In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990225125136.0094c100@sunf0> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:51:36 +0000, you wrote: >Hi All, > >Just got through to the promoters who confirm that the gig at the Albert >pub,Brighton tonight has been cancelled.(well actually posponed).The March >date still seems to be on. > Oops! Next time I'll read your post more carefully. The MARCH date for Brighton is almost certainly still on, but again please check before travelling. The Hawkeye web site has the most up to date info, but even this is still changing. Neil. From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Feb 25 23:25:09 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 04:25:09 +0000 Subject: Off: Stirring Up Trouble Message-ID: > At 11:25 AM 2/25/99 -0800, you wrote: > >sheer rock power ballads, Paul Rodgers for folky stuff > Now there's a guy with a varied musical career... going from Free to bad > co. to Paul Rogers and his various blues amalgams. I'm still sad The Firm didn't last. I think those guys hung it up before we got to see what they could have REALLY done together. -- Nick From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Fri Feb 26 05:27:00 1999 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:27:00 GMT Subject: New Hawkwind Comp?? Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1999-02-26 10:27 Saw this in Tower Records (Picadilly) yesterday. I hadn't seen it before and although I can't remember the exact title, I can't see it A Dawson's discography page. It was a two CD set in a slimline case containing Hawkwind Zoo tracks, the Earth Ritual EP, some Hawklords stuff (Over the Top through to Golden Void), some early live stuff, perhaps some more tracks and ended up with an interview with Dave. It had a little sticker on it saying it was a limited edition "gold" disc set. Whatever the title was (god my memory is bad) it had a date afterwards so it was something like "Yet another Hawkwind compilation 69-85" and the rear sleeve made some mention of thanking Brian Tawn. The only new material I could see would have been the Dave Brock interview although off the top of my head, I don't know whether the Hawklords version of Golden Void is on CD. Sorry if this is common news. Mark From age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Feb 26 05:38:39 1999 From: age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Adrian Parr) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:38:39 -0000 Subject: Bedouin tour and Hawkwind Message-ID: Hullo folks Seems there's a little confusion about where and when Bedouin are playing. The dates were all rescheduled about ten days ago. Now running from March to May. The dates are listed on the 'Hawkeye' website on the 'What's New' Page and can be found at http://www.conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk/index.html Never heard of the boot CD 'Urban Guerilla' either, though it may exist, who knows? It seems CD-R's are taking the place of the hundreds of Hawkwind audios that exist. Technology moves on eh!! So instead of racks of tapes, there will now be racks of CD's. Anyway, has anyone racked there brains on the help i need for the Hawkwind book. There's still some unanswered questions on the 'Hawkwind Chronicles' Page that I'd really appreciate some feedback on. Anything, however small! Did you see Hawkwind live in North America between 1974 and 1978? If so, where? Dates and venues also needed but not essential. Check out the 'Hawkeye' site tonite and get in touch with comments, suggestions and anything else. Discuss, rummage, get involved, rake those cells...all is not lost and i look forward to some replies. All the best Age -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri Feb 26 07:06:04 1999 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:06:04 +0000 Subject: ssssub-sub--MISSION>>>>>>>>>>>>> In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 25 Feb 1999 17:37:30 EST." <6a2cac47.36d5d0aa@aol.com> Message-ID: vox: Jello Biafra / Maynard J Keenan / 3-D bass: Scott Reeder / Mani drums: Use Heistand / Raymond Herrera synth: cEVIN kEY & FSOL who needs guitars ? Oh alright then. Malmsteen (with toy guitar) for visual histrionics. cevin samples Josh Homme FSOL use John Squire (he needs a new gig now) Tim "Its just a ride" Bill Hicks d 26.2.94 From Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG Fri Feb 26 07:34:48 1999 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG (Olivier Boigey) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 14:34:48 +0200 Subject: HW : New Found CD In-Reply-To: <000501be613e$b1140b20$5df7050c@hawkwind> Message-ID: In message ID <000501be613e$b1140b20$5df7050c at hawkwind> on 26/02/99, BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List wrote: -->Hello once again, "Oh great ones of the -->BOC-I" discussion group. --> -->Question of the day.  Anyone ever hear or see a -->French Comp. CD  bootie called "Urban Guerilla" --> -->circa 1993.  And yes, I would like a copy if -->anyone has one for sale.  Name your price (under $1000.00) yes, Got one to trade; it was released in '93 by Editions Atlas, and sold with a monthly magazine (that I don't have), so it's a kind of rare issue, more than interesting contentII will also exchange "Space rock from London"-GENSCH 1002, and a brand new copy of Cyclop's "California Brainstorm" with Book. olivier /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ mailto:olivier_boigey at technolink.org /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ - via BulkRate From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Fri Feb 26 08:50:09 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 08:50:09 -0500 Subject: BOC Setlist Message-ID: Theo: There were 16 songs in that setlist! That isn't exactly short... John (hoping they're gonna do Jailbreak in Boston...) -- John A. Swartz - The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA - jswartz at mitre.org "Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to Anger. Anger leads to Hate. Hate leads to SUFFERING." -- Yoda (Star Wars: Episode 1 - The Phantom Menace) From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Feb 26 09:55:45 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 06:55:45 -0800 Subject: BOC: San Francisco 2/24 Message-ID: >The Agents of Fortune were on fire last night! Everyone was smiling (even Eric) and playing their hearts out. They couldn't have asked for a more receptive crowd either. Allen was missed (though it was nice that Eric mentioned him), but Al did a superlative pinch hitting job. Excuse me? You mean Al Pitrelli is still hanging out with these old geezers? >Actually, after his and Buck's tasty solo in Harvest Moon, I started wishing he could remain with the boys even after Allen returns - his guitar work was a _very_ nice addition to the BOC sound - how many guitars is too much? :) Mind you I would love to see Buck and Al trading licks on stage however, if Al dosen't get his ass back to Savatage and real soon, the Mountain King is gonna come looking for him. Ghost in the Ruins (I dunno it just sounds cooler than calling myself Veteran of the Psychic Wars...) NP- All The Worlds A Stage (remaster), Rush From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Feb 26 09:58:43 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 08:58:43 -0600 Subject: OFF: Another Reunion Summer Message-ID: >better hide your head then, cuz I see in the new Guitar World that Bad Co. (original lineup)have recorded 4 new tracks for a new "best of" disc and are doing a 30 city tour of the states....... Bad Company, Iron Maiden, Crosby Stills Nash and Young? My goodness whats next? Perhaps Kiss can send Ace back solo, find Bruce Kulick (sp?) and do the "Without Makeup Reunion Tour". Ghost in the Ruins From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Feb 26 11:04:11 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:04:11 EST Subject: snatched from the ether.... Message-ID: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: hwind029.jpg Type: application/applefile Size: 5726 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: hwind029.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 19609 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Fri Feb 26 11:10:39 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 08:10:39 -0800 Subject: BOC-L Stirring up trouble Message-ID: Ok, I had to think about his one for a day or two.. I thought I knew a lot of obscure music but you people are naming folks that I've never heard of at all (Though if I knew their respective bands/origins, I might be enlightened. It scares me.. am I mainstream? Say it ain't so!) Anyway, without further ado, here's my dream band: Michael Schenker - Guitars (Say what you want about UFO, I always loved this guy's guitar work..) Buck Dharma - Guitars (he and Schenker could trade off lead...) John Entwistle - Bass (Often misspelled, never duplicated..) Rob Derhak - Bass (2nd choice.. have you heard this guy? Oh my!) Neal Peart - Drums (a popular pick and no wonder..) Mickey Hart - Percussion Keith Emerson - Keyboards (Rick Wakeman close runner up) Geoff Tate - Vocals (the guy has awesome range...) From bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Feb 26 11:10:32 1999 From: bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 08:10:32 PST Subject: OFF: New Bevis Frond Message-ID: Andreas wrote: >What? They are on tour again? Do you know the dates? I thought they were on tour now, but here are the dates from Pollstar: DateCityStateVenue 04/02/99 Ghent BEL Democrazy 04/06/99 Aachen GER Music Bunker 04/07/99 Frankfurt GER Nachtleben 04/08/99 Stuttgart GER Roehre 04/12/99 Munich GER Atomic Cafe 04/13/99 Gelsenkirchen GER Kaue 04/14/99 Berlin GER Tacheles 04/15/99 Hannover GER To Be Announced 04/16/99 Dresden GER Starclub 04/17/99 Lubeck GER Treisband 04/19/99 Hamburg GER Molotow 04/20/99 Copenhagen DEN Rust 04/22/99 Oslo NOR Mars 04/23/99 Lillehammer NOR Felix 04/27/99 Bordeaux FRA Le Jimmy 05/01/99 Bilbao SPA Bergara Jam Brian ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Fri Feb 26 13:05:09 1999 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 13:05:09 EST Subject: New Hawkwind Comp?? Message-ID: Mark, this is the new Cleopatra comp. golden void bob In a message dated 2/26/99, 6:02:24 AM, Mark Edmonds writes: << Saw this in Tower Records (Picadilly) yesterday. I hadn't seen it before and although I can't remember the exact title, I can't see it A Dawson's discography page. It was a two CD set in a slimline case containing Hawkwind Zoo tracks, the Earth Ritual EP, some Hawklords stuff (Over the Top through to Golden Void), some early live stuff, perhaps some more tracks and ended up with an interview with Dave. It had a little sticker on it saying it was a limited edition "gold" disc set. Whatever the title was (god my memory is bad) it had a date afterwards so it was something like "Yet another Hawkwind compilation 69-85" and the rear sleeve made some mention of thanking Brian Tawn. The only new material I could see would have been the Dave Brock interview although off the top of my head, I don't know whether the Hawklords version of Golden Void is on CD. Sorry if this is common news. Mark >> From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri Feb 26 20:44:37 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 01:44:37 +0000 Subject: OFF: Wayne Kramer in London In-Reply-To: <000001be6037$8ab5f180$6b3f63c3@default> Message-ID: At 20:52 24/02/99 -0000, Andy wrote: >Wayne's playing one night at the Underworld on April 2. You gonna make it >this time, Chris? :) > >- Andy > >ObCD: Sonic's Rendezvous - _Sweet Nothing_ > Ah hah! The curse may be lifting at last. 1) It's a Friday night. 2) Although I'm working in Bradford pro tem, I get to knock off at lunchtime on Fridays. 3) I'm almost solvent again. So, how much is it, where is the Underworld, and how far ahead will I need to know (i.e. is it likely to sell out ahead) If anybody cares, the reason I'm so quiet at the moment is that I only get online briefly at weekends since I'm temporarily "homeless" being on a short term contract (hence no KC rants). Normal service should be resumed sometime in a month to six weeks..l... ChrisW NP - nothing, Helen's got the TV on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From JOHNANDBEVBONO at WORLDNET.ATT.NET Mon Feb 1 21:49:52 1999 From: JOHNANDBEVBONO at WORLDNET.ATT.NET (JOHN BONO) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 21:49:52 -0500 Subject: BOC-L Stirring up trouble Message-ID: A new variation with no regard to fit Guitars- Al Dimeola and Tony MacAlpine Bass- the one and only Rocco Prestia (remember Tower of Power ?) Drums- Mike Portnoy Keys-Sorry , no one comes close to Keith Emerson Hammond- Jon Lord Vocals- 2 Ians; Anderson and Gillan Stick- Tony Levin I think I'm through. -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Brooks To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Friday, February 26, 1999 11:11 AM Subject: Re: BOC-L Stirring up trouble >Ok, I had to think about his one for a day or two.. I thought I knew a lot >of obscure music but you people are naming folks that I've never heard of at >all (Though if I knew their respective bands/origins, I might be >enlightened. It scares me.. am I mainstream? Say it ain't so!) Anyway, >without further ado, here's my dream band: > >Michael Schenker - Guitars (Say what you want about UFO, I always loved this >guy's guitar work..) >Buck Dharma - Guitars (he and Schenker could trade off lead...) >John Entwistle - Bass (Often misspelled, never duplicated..) >Rob Derhak - Bass (2nd choice.. have you heard this guy? Oh my!) >Neal Peart - Drums (a popular pick and no wonder..) >Mickey Hart - Percussion >Keith Emerson - Keyboards (Rick Wakeman close runner up) >Geoff Tate - Vocals (the guy has awesome range...) From StevenTice at AOL.COM Sat Feb 27 02:28:32 1999 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 02:28:32 EST Subject: BOC-L Stirring up trouble Message-ID: Okay, here's a fun line-up. :-) Vocals: Ian Anderson Guitar: Robert Fripp Keys: Keith Emerson Bass: Chris Squire Drums: Phil Collins I was trying to form a band by picking the "leader" of each of the five big prog bands of the seventies, but I had to fudge a bit with Phil Collins since Peter Gabriel was the "leader" of Genesis during most of their prog days, and I squeezed Chris Squire in there because I didn't have a bassist yet, nor a representative of Yes. :-) You have to admit, that would be one weird band...:-) SET From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Sat Feb 27 04:15:34 1999 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 04:15:34 EST Subject: BOC: San Francisco 2/24 Message-ID: (cross-post from AOL) --This was the first San Francisco appearance by the band since the release of Heaven Forbid, and the crowd seemed somewhat larger than last year?s?pretty much packed all the way to the back, and I think Slim?s capacity is about 800 ? I ditched the opening act to go across the street to the Paradise Lounge, where a co-worker?s band was playing, and arrived just in time for the intro music (and BTW who was the person who hit on using this music? It seems so natural now that I?ve almost forgotten about the Wagner, etc anyone remember what else was used in years past?) --I wonder how many people were disoriented by seeing Al P. in Allen?s spot if he was even mentioned, I missed it, but I guess there?s no other way to play it without getting into lengthy explanations. --This was the first time I?d seen the "Burnin? For You" opener it?s always great to hear the first chords of any B?C show, of course, and in that regard it might not be the worst place for it. I?d prefer a harder-edged kickoff, but hey, at least it?s not still crouched there seventy-two minutes in, or whatever, heralding the final stretch of the show. --" Last Days of May" was about as good as any version I?ve ever heard, I have to assume from Charlie?s comments that it?s been that way all down the coast here. If there?s ever been a poor version they musta killed the witnesses and burned the tapes, but Jesus this one smoked the intro to the solo seemed very open, lots of space around the minimalist guitar figures BD was playing and the solo seemed to build for longer than usual before the tempo was actually increased, and the increase came it the gradient of it was more imperceptible and less mechanical than it has sometimes sounded. The grave, elegaic tone that BD conjures in the early part of solo?although always seemingly approached from a different angle, recombined, endlessly refined and reworked?has always struck me as part of the best lyric/music mirroring that the band ever did, the most ambiguously "truthful" Ideas spun off each other, a corridor of mirrors where it?s unclear who the elegy is for and who is doing the mourning, questions that for me have certainly never been cleared up by the last verse. --On a more concrete note: when did BD start singing " bags, a scale to weigh the stuff"? Wasn?t it always "bags and scales"? Which probably wasn?t the most realistic inventory (how many scales do they need?), but I?ve only noticed this recently. Am I hearing things? --How did he manage to play that solo on LDOM and leave the guitar intact, and then bust a string on "In Thee"? --Further disorientation: "Cities on Flame" as the second song I think eight minutes into the show is a litte early for call-and-response audience- interactive "Rock-and-Roll!" stuff would it be heresy to suggest that this song be shorn of the trappings it has garnered over the years, and just be played straight? I like to see Buck flex his fingers as much as the next man--well, unless the next man is Marty--but stopping dead in the midst of the second tune --I think EB (who was in fine voice all night) had some kind of personal best for saying fuck, managing four within the space of one set of comments, and ridiculing the Grammys into the bargain. --It was great to hear "Jailbreak", I was a little surprised that no solo was featured of course the album version didn?t have one, but the live versions always did: nothing major, but there?s that sustained note at the end of the siren interlude just hanging there waiting to get belted into the rafters when it didn?t appear I thought "oh, OK " but then they do the siren interlude again! And fooled me again! Cool finish but jeez if I?d ever been told B?C would be playing songs without guitar solos in the encore I?d have said "Gramps, put down the cough syrup". Nice to hear EB mention Phil Lynott, though, and I?m sure Bolle dug it too. --I know there?s a heavy Italian element in the band nowadays, but does Bobby have to do that stuff with the sticks before the last verse of DFTR that looks like he?s tossing a pizza? BR is a fine drummer but IMO there was far more drumming going on in the outro solo to DFTR than is necessary, a spectacularly unsuccessful portion of which threw the song into a chaotic spin right at solo?s beginning. While I?m risking BR?s wrath may I ask what happened to the double snare hits in ME 262? Sure it always sounded kinda chunky but that?s the song! I mean, I understand why the most distinctive drum part in "Cities On Flame" is gone, since AB threatened to sue anyone else who played it, but (That was a joke) --Yes "The Red and the Black" was indeed awe-inspiring, Al P. is a fine guitar player and everything from the bass lick on was always my least fave part of this tune, live I could never hear what was going on, making the guitar-duel thing is an inspired idea. Of course BD?s so much the better player he spots him all that volume jeez guys turn Buck up already!! Minor quibbles overall, great to hear the band again From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Feb 27 04:28:15 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 04:28:15 EST Subject: New Hawkwind Comp?? Message-ID: In a message dated 99-02-26 15:40:41 EST, you write: << The only new material I could see would have been the Dave Brock interview although off the top of my head, I don't know whether the Hawklords version of Golden Void is on CD. Sorry if this is common news. Mark >> ---It's on the Best of F/R CD that I have... Chuck NP: Can -- "Halleluwah" From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sat Feb 27 06:33:06 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 11:33:06 -0000 Subject: HW: Brock intervew Message-ID: Stumbled across this interview... http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/1831/brock.html - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Feb 27 10:54:09 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 15:54:09 +0000 Subject: HW: Brock intervew In-Reply-To: <000101be6244$f1a6ef20$c93463c3@default> Message-ID: At 11:33 27/02/99 +0000, you wrote: >Stumbled across this interview... > >http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/1831/brock.html > nice one andy! it's a goody; particularly liked this bit, Brock: With all this electronic music, you have to treat it as a barbarian would, you know? I don't read music, I read a few of the manuals and I think, "fucking hell, this is so confusing" and I would rather plug in and play the thing, off we go! Yeah, I treat it as a barbarian would. and this: Brock: Well, at the moment we have a lead guitarist, Jerry Richard's, we've got Ron Tree playing bass and me playing the guitar and doing vocals. Maybe we'll have Simon and Lemmy, I don't know about Nik because we don't really need Nik as we all sing; and the only thing that Nick does is play saxophone out of tune! (laughs). LOL! Mama 'll have to buy him a muzzle: Sit when I say "sit!" And come when I whistle -Thee Headcoatees From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Sat Feb 27 12:44:02 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 11:44:02 -0600 Subject: HW: IYA price reduction Message-ID: CALL THE NEIGHBORS & WAKE THE KIDS ! ! ! ! ! In Your Area $ has been reduced for all you people out there looking for the cheapest way to get it. Hawkman P.S. All CD prices have been "Adjusted" to more accurately reflect "supply and demand" So shop me first in the future ! I will be the first in the world to receive any future Griffin releases. www.intplsrv.net/hawkman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sat Feb 27 18:22:33 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 18:22:33 -0500 Subject: OFF: Gong Message-ID: Hi Folks...have come across these as-yet-unconfirmed dates. Just an early warning to those on the continent. GONG; Europe1999 MAY 2; Liege MAY 3; Hamburg MAY 4; Berlin MAY 5; Wuppertal MAY 6; Karlsruhe MAY 7; Ebensee MAY 8; Munich Also, I've heard that there's to be a fan-determined (?) Gong 2000 lineup that will record a new album (and then tour?) next year. Anyone know who's to be included?? I figure these May dates will be the Allen/Smyth/Malherbe/Pyle/Sharpstrings/Howlett band?? Or something close to that anyway. Keith H. (FAA) ObCD: Mushroom - Hydrogen Jukebox (Timothy's Brain label) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sat Feb 27 18:43:44 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 18:43:44 -0500 Subject: HW: Strange Daze '99 Message-ID: Hi Folks... Well, I've been a little hesitant to post anything about this (I don't want to be labelled a rumour-mongerer), but I'll concede these few bits that seem to be 'public' info. Strange Daze '99 planning is underway, with the following artists written onto the lineup card, with plenty more to follow. Farflung w/ Nik Turner Tribe of Cro Anubian Lights Alien Planetscapes Born to Go Canis Minor (performed impromptu last year...offshoot of Finally Balanced) Quarkspace The others that are being considered include some very interesting names!!! Which I won't reveal right now, sorry. As far as Hawkwind goes, I think they may be passing in favor of a major US tour a bit later in the fall. Perhaps with very interesting special guests that have been mentioned in recent months by Baron Brock. As far as a SD'99 venue goes, I think that has yet to be determined, though it will likely be in Ohio at least....perhaps even in my own backyard here in Columbus. The midnight curfew and per-head campground rental fees for Nelson Ledges has made Jim consider elsewhere, so Columbus *could* be the site this year. (Anybody need a ride from the airport??) :) The 2CD compilation of Strange Daze '97 material is shortly to be released...you can see the announcement and cover art (same as the T-shirts) at Jim L.'s site (I think), as well as Sonique's. There are more possibilities that are in development for future Strange Daze events, but I don't think anything's firm just yet. Oh yeah, and if you didn't already know, Porcupine Tree is touring the US finally (some dates with Magma!!!), so there are lots of great events on the table for 1999!! In Search of Space...Keith H. (FAA) From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Sat Feb 27 19:40:05 1999 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 19:40:05 EST Subject: HW: Strange Daze '99 Message-ID: In a message dated 2/27/99 6:53:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: > > Oh yeah, and if you didn't already know, Porcupine Tree is touring the US > finally (some dates with Magma!!!), so there are lots of great events on the > table for 1999!! when, where? oh yeah, I'm sure this will go over many (if not most) heads, but Jacobites are touring the U.S. in March, there are no East Coast dates yet =O( Jacobites to include Nikki Sudden & Dave Kusworth bob http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Feb 28 08:24:18 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 13:24:18 +0000 Subject: HW: Brock intervew In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , andrew writes >and the only thing that Nick does is play >saxophone out of tune! Maybe, but perhaps you could also say he's *the* most charismatic front man the Hawks have ever had, one of the best songwriters knocking the out odd classic like Brainstorm, and with Dave and Lemmy, defines the band in most peoples mind. Even after all this time. The best HW shows I've ever seen were when Nik was in the band. I never came away from an ICU gig feeling less than fantastic, either. He may not be the greatest musician in the world, but he's a terrific showman. -- Jon From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Feb 28 08:59:25 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 13:59:25 +0000 Subject: HW: Brock intervew In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >>and the only thing that Nick does is play >>saxophone out of tune! > >Maybe, but perhaps you could also say he's *the* most charismatic front >not be the greatest musician in the world, but he's a terrific showman. oh definately, i thought DB was making a joke anyway, and one that i found funny which is why i quoted it. TBH, it was nik's stuff that got me as an impressionable young mid-80s punk into the hawks in the first place. no mate; i wouldn't hear a word said agin him. andrew Dick the Butcher: The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers. Henry VI Pt.2 IV.ii From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Feb 28 10:50:49 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 10:50:49 EST Subject: Fwd: (no subject) Message-ID: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Jsexbomb at aol.com Subject: (no subject) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 10:37:39 EST Size: 5538 URL: From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Feb 28 20:04:34 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 01:04:34 +0000 Subject: HW 97 In-Reply-To: <70377.3127370043@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: Well, um, I think I probably prefer the 'Sonic Attack'/'Choose Your Masques' mix of styles. Admittedly there probably aren't more than four chords between the albums, but 'Live '79' and 'Xenon Codex' I find emptier than the two eighties albums, although the songs are unarguably better. But Harvey's synth stuff interests me, as do Moorcock's words, and 'Arrival In Utopia' and 'Fahrenheit 451' are good tracks, probably better for me tha anything on 'Xenon Codex', although the eighties production smothers everything so much that none of the 'Xenon' songs really reach their full potential I think. I'm not really sure I can fit 'Live '79' into this comparison though. My favourite three albums are probably ISoS, SR and LiS, with 'California Brainstorm' following at a distance, though, so in that respect I'm with you. Yours, Jon On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > I respectfully disagree :) I thought Sonic Attack and CyM > were pretty limp--OK, it was a interesting experiment, but IMO it > didn't work. Hawkwind are always at their best when doing space > *rock* and leaning too much on any variety of space never seems > to work out, IMO. I like the Chronicles > Xenon era rather > better than the early 80s, and like Levitation-Live 79 for the > same reason. I like Calvert similarly well, just not nearly as > much as the early daze or the 90s trio (I thought _Space Bandits_ > was weak, but loved _Palace Springs_ and the rock tracks on > _ET_ :) _IITBOTFTBD_ I thought was grim, but _A4_ was pretty > damn good). > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic > St. John's College, University of Cambridge > mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk > http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ > -- /_______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Epsilon oscillator psychotronic attenuation shift - AFFIRMATIVE!" | | ICU | \_______________________________________________________________________/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Feb 28 20:07:33 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 01:07:33 +0000 Subject: HW/BOC: Emperors New Clothes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, andrew wrote: > phew! i'm glad someone else said that, i picked up agents of fortune a > couple of weeks ago (for 75p along w/ led zep IV and blind faith for the > same price 8-)) and to be honest ETI was the only track on there that would > have me scurrying back to listen again. anyways, a question: what boc stuff > would people recommend to a fan of (all periods) hawks? Unquestionably 'Cultosaurus Erectus'. Then probably 'Blue Oyster Cult' itself, given that as a Hawkwind fan you're used to appalling production :-) Yours, Jon -- /_______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 338100) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Epsilon oscillator psychotronic attenuation shift - AFFIRMATIVE!" | | ICU | \_______________________________________________________________________/