From hawkwind at ZEBRA.NET Wed Dec 1 00:02:17 1999 From: hawkwind at ZEBRA.NET (Jerome Kekatos) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:02:17 -0600 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: <199911291854.SAA02435@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: 1. 42 2. 15 (October 1972?) 3. In Search of Space 4. In Search of Space (But the real hook was the 11/1973 live show in Chicago) 5. Space Ritual 6. Recently, Anubian Lights - Let The Flame Not Die Out (does that count?) In Search of Space From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Wed Dec 1 00:19:56 1999 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:19:56 -0700 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: > 1. How old are you? 37-real close to 38 (2weeks) > > > 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? A relative newbie: 34 > > > 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? Warrior on the Edge of Time > > > 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? No, HotMG:) > > > 5: what is your favourite HW album now? Live Chronicles > > > 6: what HW album do you play the most? Alien 4 -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: This would have been the session that produced the "Lord of the > Hornets"/"Greenfly and Rose" 7" (with Simon King, Huw, and on the first > track, Lemmy), right? At least Bob was able to find a good > keyboard player > (some guy named 'Simon', I think, who also plays fiddle) for the > 'Hype' LP. Not sure about that, but thenthe Hype show did go ahead, after a fashion, with Rat Scabies among others. > > >I thought you might be interested in the fact that I'm releasing > a 'single' > >on the net called 'Y2K', by Swindells & Biz, on www.mpreal.com. > It should > >be up there by Dec 1st and is available either as an MP3 > download or on CD. > > Has anyone tried this? The ODBC queries to get to individual > tracks appear > to be broken, so I can't download it. Especially frightening that it's a > bug painfully close to what I'm doing (or should be doing, rather) at work > right now. Just got an email from mpreal saying it ought to be working later today. -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Dec 1 02:22:10 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 07:22:10 -0000 Subject: Re the Poll In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > So what do you all think about that? We are a bunch of old > farts? Or are we > the most loyal fan base out there? :) > Both! :) -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Dec 1 02:22:11 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 07:22:11 -0000 Subject: BOC: Covers In-Reply-To: <38447149.BD2F1BA3@utarlg.uta.edu> Message-ID: Well, I for one really like the Mutton Birds' "Reaper." And don't forget the Brain Surgeons' versions of various BOC songs ('specially "Baby Ice Dog!") -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Dec 1 04:11:43 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 04:11:43 EST Subject: HW/OFF: 5 Years On Message-ID: Do Not Panic: This is only my five-year Anniversary HW compilation track-list, just completed moments ago: (not a bad mix, time-wise, eh? Maybe cause I'm a "new-timer"...) Side 1: 1.Psyche Warlords (HotMG) 2.Kadu Flyer (ASAM) 3.Assault & Battery/Sleep 0f 1000 Years (L. Chron.) 4.You Shouldn't Do That (ISoS) 5.High Rise (Hawklords Live) 6.Trans-dimentional Man (Sonic Attack CD) 7.Life Form (PXR5--my fave 2-minute HW tape-filler!) Side 2: 1.LSD (E. Tepee) 2.Dust of Time (Levitation) 3.Down Thru the Night (S. Ritual) 4.fade-in Automaton/25 Years (25 Years On) 5.Psi Power (Stonehenge: TiHWDNP) 6.Aerospaceage Inferno (In Your Area) 7.Opa-loka (WotEoT) 8.Warrior on the Edge of Time (Outtake/Intake CD) Chuck From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Dec 1 05:30:21 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 10:30:21 -0000 Subject: NIK: Gigging this weekend Message-ID: Nik tells me he an the All-Stars are playing the Drome, 41 St Thomas Street, London Bridge, this Friday as part of a mini-festival ("The Wreck'n'roll Circus"), with Here & Now and 2000 DS among others. 9pm - 8am, ?10 on the door, ?5 before 11. Also some more gigs this weekend but he's not sure exactly where!!! -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Wed Dec 1 06:23:11 1999 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 11:23:11 +0000 Subject: HW/OFF:Answer me : Getting Personal with... Lemmy In-Reply-To: <000301bf3b82$6b3fe500$40eca8c2@xpnwjjkf> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Nick Lee wrote: > >From today's Guardian, a regular feature in which, each week, celebrities > are asked the same set of questions: > > Answer Me > > Getting personal with... Lemmy Did anyone go to the Rollins spoken word gigs? There is a review in yesterdays Guardian that claims Herny is good at Enfglish accents, and does a passable impersonation of one of Lemmy's warts talking. Sounds fascinating. Mike w From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Wed Dec 1 06:54:53 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 06:54:53 -0500 Subject: BOC Covers Message-ID: For a half an hour of BOC weirdness - take a listen to Too Hip for the Room's "Don't Fear the Remake. Many BOC songs done quite differently. Like Shooting Shark done to the beat of a marching song. > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Rickert [SMTP:hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU] > Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 7:52 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: BOC Covers > > Does anyone know of any good BOC covers out there? I've heard > Metallica's take on *Astronomy*, and it's ok, though not stellar (sorry, > couldn't resist the pun...). I've also heard Fu Manchu's ultra heavy > cover of *Godzilla*. Slowed down and fuzzed out--it's a trip! I really > like it, at any rate... > > What do the rest of you think of these cover versions, and what others > are out there (that are at least somewhat contemporary)... > > Thomas From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Wed Dec 1 07:02:23 1999 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 12:02:23 +0000 Subject: MH + NIK: Gigging this weekend In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Do we have any more details about this? On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Andy Gilham wrote: > Nik tells me he an the All-Stars are playing the Drome, 41 St Thomas Street, > London Bridge, this Friday as part of a mini-festival ("The Wreck'n'roll > Circus"), with Here & Now and 2000 DS among others. > > 9pm - 8am, ?10 on the door, ?5 before 11. If the bands of interest are playing late it strikes me I could go to see Motorhead on Friday, then move on to this, stay overnight, then emerge blinking into the light on Saturday morning. Is any one else goiong to see Motorhead? Mike w From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 1 07:09:24 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 12:09:24 GMT Subject: HW:Recent v Old/Poll In-Reply-To: Clemens's message of Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:57:08 -0700 Message-ID: Clemens writes: > Yup; but that one, Doremi Fasol Latido, and Space Ritual I mentally = > group as a trilogy. Seeing them perform the Space Ritual was one of = > the defining moments in this droid's life. When Hall of the Mountain = > Grill came out with and seeing the crashed ship I got concerned and = > after Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music I was worried that they left = > space for terra, complete with girlie chorus (kerb crawler.) It took a = > couple of decades before I could appreciate the latter two releases. ASAM is a strange one. I get times when I love everything on it and other times when I can't stand hearing anything except Reefer Madness. FoFP From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 1 06:22:25 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 07:22:25 EDT Subject: BOC Covers In-Reply-To: <38447149.BD2F1BA3@utarlg.uta.edu> Message-ID: On 30 Nov 99 at 18:52, Thomas Rickert wrote: > Does anyone know of any good BOC covers out there? I've heard > Metallica's take on *Astronomy*, and it's ok, though not stellar (sorry, > couldn't resist the pun...). I've also heard Fu Manchu's ultra heavy > cover of *Godzilla*. Slowed down and fuzzed out--it's a trip! I really > like it, at any rate... > > What do the rest of you think of these cover versions, and what others > are out there (that are at least somewhat contemporary)... The Goo Goo Dolls do a version of DFtR! All punked up and thrashing. Not exactly an improvement on the original... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 1 06:29:08 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 07:29:08 EDT Subject: BOC: Covers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1 Dec 99 at 7:22, Andy Gilham wrote: > Well, I for one really like the Mutton Birds' "Reaper." > > And don't forget the Brain Surgeons' versions of various BOC songs > ('specially "Baby Ice Dog!") > tBS play a whole bunch of BOC tunes live, but it's hard to call them covers, since they're all tunes that Al wrote, and he's simply re-interpreting them, or perhaps presenting them the way he originally envisioned them. It would be cool if Al could post here and tell us which BOC tunes now done by tBS are closer to the original ideas and why BOC did them differently... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 1 06:53:57 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 07:53:57 EDT Subject: OFF: Censorship hits home In-Reply-To: <4.1.19991130213458.009bdc30@pophost.tardis.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 30 Nov 99 at 21:35, Dave Berry wrote: > At 17:32 30/11/99 , Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 wrote: > >Actually, this has been done > >in other US cities, c.f. Boston--a city which always used to pride > >itself as one of the intellectual nerve centers of North America. > > I didn't realise porn was intended to stimulate the intellect! depends upon the person, I guess, but generally, intellectuals pride themselves on being tolerant, and eschew censorship. in theory... theo From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Dec 1 09:07:07 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 09:07:07 EST Subject: OFF: Censorship hits home Message-ID: In a message dated 11/30/99 2:30:30 PM, tclark at PETRONET.NET writes: << So they've proposed a > sort of 'porno ghetto' in a lonely stretch of town where all the > adult businesses will have to locate! Actually, this has been done > in other US cities, c.f. Boston--a city which always used to pride > itself as one of the intellectual nerve centers of North America. > >> ============= like the sleaziest part of times square, boston's "combat zone" doesnt actually exist anymore.... "<>" From vincentr at COGNOS.COM Wed Dec 1 09:28:55 1999 From: vincentr at COGNOS.COM (Rob Vincent) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 09:28:55 -0500 Subject: BOC Covers In-Reply-To: <199912011406.JAA27592@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, wrote: > > The Goo Goo Dolls do a version of DFtR! All punked up and thrashing. > > Not exactly an improvement on the original... > > > > theo > > > I've heard tell of an import EP in which Smashing Pumpkins do a > couple BOC covers. Never seen or heard it, though. I have a bootleg of them where they do a high velocity rendition of Godzilla. Rainmaker Elijah Snow : It's a strange world Jakita Wagner : Let's keep it that way Planetary #1 From MLee at ESPARTO.ORG Wed Dec 1 12:01:08 1999 From: MLee at ESPARTO.ORG (Mark Lee) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:01:08 +0000 Subject: HW: Ye questions. In-Reply-To: <199911302140.QAA28024@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Wed Dec 1 14:57:23 1999 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:57:23 GMT Subject: HW: Y2K Message-ID: Hello Everybody, I'm going back a bit, but does anyone recall seeing Steve Swindells on the Old Grey Whistle test around '79-'80 (I said I was going back a bit!).I remember seeing it advertised but missed it, and when it was due to be repeated a day or two later it was cancelled because of some sporting event I think. I was wondering if he played solo or was backed Huw and Simon as it was around the time of his 'Fresh Blood' Album. All the best, Mick -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Dec 1 15:00:35 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 20:00:35 +0000 Subject: HW/OFF:Answer me : Getting Personal with... Lemmy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 11:23 01.12.1999 +0000, you wrote: >On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Nick Lee wrote: > >> >From today's Guardian, a regular feature in which, each week, celebrities >> are asked the same set of questions: >> >> Answer Me >> >> Getting personal with... Lemmy > >Did anyone go to the Rollins spoken word gigs? There is a review in >yesterdays Guardian that claims Herny is good at Enfglish accents, and >does a passable impersonation of one of Lemmy's warts talking. > >Sounds fascinating. > >Mike w I read that too - it's time I got a job (pref. near London) >:-{(> ObCD: Soundscapes 1995 California - Robert Fripp "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From JOHN.GRAY at PRODIGY.NET Wed Dec 1 22:39:20 1999 From: JOHN.GRAY at PRODIGY.NET (JOHN M GRAY) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:39:20 -0800 Subject: The Poll Message-ID: 1. How old are you? 42 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 19 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? Space Ritual 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? Yes 5: what is your favorite HW album now? I like many, but Space Ritual is near and dear to my heart, it brings back those 70's flashbacks of when I was young, dumb and full of, well you get the idea. 6: what HW album do you play the most? God I look bad, Space Ritual, I have HW LP's, honest! I have witnesses. John From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Thu Dec 2 00:22:47 1999 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 00:22:47 EST Subject: BOC Covers/metallica Message-ID: metallica stopprd being the driving force they once were immediately after 2 events occurred almost simultaneously: 1) the death of cliff burton. they have never recovered. 2) they ran out of material that was co-written by former guitarist dave mustaine after 'master of puppets' (one lone snippet on 'justice...' not withstanding). after these events, the band stopped leading and began coasting. since then the most appealing thing about them has been there covers; their application of their doubtlessly unique and pioneering sound to well-written songs (as opposed to their own). also: the 's&m' thing is actually excellent. i can think of no other (metal) band that could benefit from orchestral backing as much as they, especially during their heavier numbers. 'wagnerian', 'opus', etc. 'music of broad gesture' indeed. it relies heavily on earlier material (a good thing, considering their last 5 lps were either crap or live/comp). their best since 'justice'. 5 stars. np: deep purple/live in japan/cd3:tokyo 8.17.72 rmayo From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Dec 1 06:04:50 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 11:04:50 +0000 Subject: HW: S. Swindells In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Bernhard Pospiech writes >Together with a German producer >friend Zeus B Held (whom you've probably heard of) so the Silver Machine remix *was* by the 70's "Zeus B. Held" and not Jimmy Cauty under his pseudonym? -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Dec 1 05:44:25 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 10:44:25 +0000 Subject: HW: Y2K In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Andy Gilham writes >Not sure about that, but thenthe Hype show did go ahead, after a fashion, >with Rat Scabies among others. Rat told me he and Calvert would have crockery-flinging fights on the London Underground, on more than one occasion. heh! -- Jon From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Dec 2 05:50:45 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:50:45 -0000 Subject: Bob Calvert/Hype Message-ID: I spoke to Bob a number of times at the time of Hype in a, failed, attempt to get an interview for a fanzine. The conversations with Bob on the 'phone were just as you would expect them to be; from day-to-day ranging from manic to the full-on English gent. After some conversations I was knackered! However, top marks to Bob for taking the time to speak to me (at the time 16 and asking silly questions re. the Space Ritual). I'd like to think that I would do the same if I were in a similar situation. Bob Calvert - respect due. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Jon Browne To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 02 December 1999 10:12 Subject: Re: HW: Y2K >In article , >Andy Gilham writes >>Not sure about that, but thenthe Hype show did go ahead, after a fashion, >>with Rat Scabies among others. > >Rat told me he and Calvert would have crockery-flinging fights on the >London Underground, on more than one occasion. > >heh! >-- >Jon > From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Thu Dec 2 09:07:12 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 09:07:12 -0500 Subject: BOC Covers Message-ID: Here's what the BOC FAQ has for cover tunes on BOC - a few additional comments by me are [in brackets]: John Bands Covering BOC ================== Tracking down all known covers of BOC tunes is probably an impossible task. Several people have given me information on band's covering BOC, although some of the bands may be local acts that most of us have never heard of. Some of the covers were never recorded, while others may exist on demo tapes only. For the most part, I have tried to include only covers by artists that have actually recorded the cover on one of their albums. I have used computer resources available to me to verify as many of these covers as possible, and where available, I have listed the recording on which the cover can be found (note: with the proliferation of compilation albums and box sets, these recordings might be found on multiple sources - the source listed is believed to be the original source, and no effort has been made to track down every available source). The information is presented in the following format: Artist - "BOC Cover" - *Recording Title* Agents Of Fortune - "Stairway To The Stars", "Burnin' For You", O.D.'d On Life Itself", "Lips In The Hills" - 4-track CD Apollo 440 - "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" - *Millennium Fever* [BOC as a dance tune - ugh] Big Country - "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" - *Ships* (CD single) Bigod 20 - "Dominance And Submission" - *One* (CD single) The Boo Radleys - "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" Braindamage - "Flaming Telepaths" - *The Turning Point* Braindead - "Godzilla" The Bridewell Taxis - "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" CHOP (Mike Watt project) - "I'm On The Lamb, But I Ain't No Sheep" and "She's As Beautiful As A Foot" - single Current '93 - "This Ain't the Summer of Love" - *Swastikas For Noddy* Fighting Gravity - "Godzilla" - *No Stopping, No Standing* fIREHOSE - "The Red And The Black" - *Live Totem Pole EP* Fu Manchu - "Godzilla" - single (10-inch vinyl) - *Eatin' Dust* (different version than single) Goo Goo Dolls - "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" - *Goo Goo Dolls* [DFTR as a punk/thrash song - interesting for one listen only] Guitar Orchestra - "(Don't Fear) the Reaper" - *Interpretations* Gumball - "She's as Beautiful As A Foot" - *Revolution On Ice* [decent rendition - Albert Bouchard on background vocals] Gus - "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" - *"Scream" Movie Soundtrack* Honeymoon Killers - "Godzilla" - *Let It Breed* L7 - "This Ain't The Summer Of Love" - *"I Know What You Did Last Summer" Movie Soundtrack* [heard it on the radio and thought it sounded pretty good - others have disagreed] Rose McDowall - "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" - single (U.K. 12" vinyl) The Meatmen - "Hot Rails To Hell" - *Pope On A Rope* [Hot Rails as a punk song - I'm not into punk, but it seems to work] The Meices - "Burnin' For You - *West X North-South* (Compilation/Box Set) Metal Flake Mother - "Godzilla" (live) Metallica - "Astronomy" - *Garage, Inc.* [decent, and easy to find - but Kirk Hamment is no Buck Dharma] The Minutemen - "The Red And The Black" - *3 Way Tie (For Last)* - "The Red And The Black" (live) - *Tour Spiel* (7" EP) The Mutton Birds - "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" - *"The Frighteners" Movie Soundtrack* The Panther Moderns - "See You In Black" - *Red Star* (John Shirley's band released their own version, with different music, before BOC's *Heaven Forbid*) [sort of funky - nowhere near as heavy as BOC - interesting though in that you get more the point of view of John Shirley, the lyricist for this song] Radio Birdman - "Transmaniacon MC" - *Surfing At 2JJJ* (bootleg) - "Career Of Evil" - *Rock'n'Roll War* (bootleg - credits the song to "Bouchard/Smith - Blue Oyster Cult) - *Murder City Nights* (bootleg - the track is mislabeled "Career Beatle") - "ME-262", "Before The Kiss", and "Dominance And Submission" have also been covered live - unknown whether or not recorded versions exist Rattlebone - "Cities On Flame With Rock And Roll" [very cool, IMHO] The Riverboys - "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" David Roter - "Joan Crawford" - *Bambo* - "Unknown Tongue" - *Bambo* [reasonably close to how BOC did it, though Roter gives it more that kind of "mad scientist" sounding vocal that I think of when I try to characterize a lot of Albert Bouchard's vocals in BOC] Clint Ruin & Lydia Lunch - "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" - *Don't Fear The Reaper* (EP) Screaming Dizbusters (The Nomads) - "This Ain't The Summer Of Love" - single The Screaming Tribesmen - "The Red And The Black" The Sinners - "Dominance and Submission" - *Ten Year Jubilee* (EP) Smashing Pumpkins - "Godzilla" (live) - *Tribute to BOC* (bootleg CD) [heard an MP3 of this recently - not bad] Patti Smith - "Fire Of Unknown Origin" (her original poem, with instrumental accompaniment), formerly released as a b-side to the single "Frederick" and on a 3-song EP, is to be included as a bonus track on the CD re-release of her *Wave* album Superfuzz - "Godzilla" - *Godzilla* (CD - 3 different versions) Teutonic Guilt - "Tenderloin" Thanatos - "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" - *665 - The Neighbor of the Beast* Thunderpuss 2000 - "Godzilla" - single (4 dance remix versions) Tommyknockers - "ME-262" and/or "Career Of Evil" Too Hip For The Room - "Don't Fear The Reaper/Burnin' For You" medley - *All-Time Greatest Hips* - "Godzilla", "Veteran Of The Psychic Wars", Sole Survivor", "Cagey Cretins", "Searchin' For Celine", "Lips In The Hills", "Joan Crawford", "O.D.'d On Life Itself", "Black Blade", "Last Days Of May", "Before The Kiss (A Redcap)", "Fire Of Unknown Origin", "E.T.I.", "The Vigil", "Take Me Away", "Shooting Shark", "Dragon Lady", "Harvester Of Eyes", "In Thee", "Mirrors", "Unknown Tongue", "Divine Wind" - *Don't Fear The Remake* [BUY THIS CD!! This is an ultra-cool CD for any BOC fan - lots of cool little references in the liner notes, plus participation from BOC fans, and also Buck, Eric, and Danny Miranda -- all versions are very different from the BOC originals, so don't expect a BOC copycat sound. A great novelty, and some cool sounds to boot.] Bonnie Tyler - "Goin' Through The Motions" - *Faster Than the Speed of Light* [A poppier version of an already poppy song - not bad though] UV's - "This Ain't the Summer of Love" - U.K. magazine *Bucketfull Of Brains (#26)* flexidisc Mike Watt - "Dominance And Submission" - *E-Ticket Ride* and *Piss Bottle Man* (singles) [THE DEFINITE VERSION on CD! Joe and Al Bouchard are very prominent on this track - Albert even does the lead vocals! Hard to find, but "smokin'"] Helen Wheels - "Tattoo Vampire" - *Archetype* [Another great CD - available from Al's Cellsum records. This is a great version of this song - Helen backed up by members of tBS and X Brothers - check it out!] White Flag/Tesco Vee - "Hot Rails To Hell" - *Wild Kingdom* - "Hot Rails To Hell" (live) - *Feeding Frenzy* [Another punk rendition of Hot Rails which also works decently] World of Pooh - "Dominance and Submission" - *Not All That Terrifies Harms* (compilation) Also, the magazine *Forced Exposure* published a fake review of a non-existent BOC tribute album. The review appears in issue #18 (Spring 1994). The fake album is called "Then Came The Last Days Of May", and presumably features the following artists and BOC covers: Crawlspace - "Cities On Flame With Rock And Roll" Sonic Youth - "I'm On The Lamb But I Ain't No Sheep" Helios Creed - "Career Of Evil" DOS - "O.D.'d On Life Itself" Kray Cherub - "Transmaniacon M.C." Beme Seed - "Baby Ice Dog" Skullflower's - "She's As Beautiful As A Foot" MX-80 - "Tenderloin" Sun City Girls - "Extraterrestrial Intelligence." Note: Again, this album does not exits - the review is fake. Speaking of BOC tribute albums, however, there now exists one. The acoustic trio Too Hip For The Room has recorded an album of BOC covers. Entitled *Don't Fear The Remake*, this album contains musical contributions from Eric Bloom, Buck Dharma, and Danny Miranda of BOC, as well as contributions by BOC lyricist John Shirley, Buck Dharma's wife and brothers, Broadway Blotto, and several BOC fans. See above for which tracks were known to have been covered. More information will be provided in a future version of the FAQ. To obtain a copy of this release, write to: Too Hip For The Room P.O. Box 1300 Bellmore, NY 11710 Or send e-mail inquiries to Zurna at aol.com From micci at SCI.FI Thu Dec 2 10:08:28 1999 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:08:28 +0200 Subject: HW:glastonbury ´90 Message-ID: Hi! I know that this subject was already here, but can somebody mail to me correct track list of this CD, please. What is that free CD, which is mention there? and how many collectors series is already out? Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Thu Dec 2 10:25:38 1999 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:25:38 +0000 Subject: HW: Y2K Message-ID: >>Not sure about that, but thenthe Hype show did go ahead, after a fashion, >>with Rat Scabies among others. > >Rat told me he and Calvert would have crockery-flinging fights on the >London Underground, on more than one occasion. > >heh! >-- >Jon Yeah, I got this one too... how he showed the young snotty punks (Sensible was there too) a thing or too about causing chaos and destruction. I was travelling over to a festival in Switzerland in '88 just after Calvert had died, and Lemmy and Scabies were discussing doing a version of Quark at the gig as a tribute. The idea soon faltered when Lemmy claimed he hadn't heard the song since the album came out. Wouldn't have been hard to learn mind you, and it surely woulda been something well worth seeing!! Dave From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Dec 2 11:27:31 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:27:31 +0000 Subject: HW: Y2K In-Reply-To: <4mMRRBAJwPR4EwlP@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Jon Browne wrote: > In article , > Andy Gilham writes > >Not sure about that, but thenthe Hype show did go ahead, after a fashion, > >with Rat Scabies among others. > > Rat told me he and Calvert would have crockery-flinging fights on the > London Underground, on more than one occasion. What was it with Calvert and crockery? It seems to have been his weapon of choice... Or is this some aspect of seventies culture on which I have missed out? Yours, Jon From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Dec 2 11:34:31 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:34:31 +0000 Subject: HW: S. Swindells In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Dec 1999, Jon Browne wrote: > In article , > Bernhard Pospiech writes > >Together with a German producer > >friend Zeus B Held (whom you've probably heard of) > > so the Silver Machine remix *was* by the 70's "Zeus B. Held" and not > Jimmy Cauty under his pseudonym? There's also the `Love In Space' single to be considered, which was apparently remixed by the man Held; I kind of hope that wasn't Cauty's work... Yours, Jon From micci at SCI.FI Thu Dec 2 12:30:04 1999 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 19:30:04 +0200 Subject: HW:poll Message-ID: 1. How old are you? 27 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 18 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? Master Of the Universe (1977 version) 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? Yes 5. What is your favourite HW album now? IYA, Electric Tepee, Palace Spring... 6. What HW album do you play the most? at the moment HW 1997 Geographic location? Helsinki, Finland Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Dec 2 12:28:29 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:28:29 EST Subject: HW: Y2K Message-ID: In a message dated 12/2/99 10:26:37 AM, gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK writes: << Wouldn't have been hard to learn mind you, and it surely woulda been something well worth seeing!! Dave >> ========= like, really man ^_~ i havent heard that song in years either, but isnt it just, like, D-C-G all the way through? oh, you lemmy you... "<>" From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Thu Dec 2 12:39:56 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 18:39:56 +0100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_HW:glastonbury_=B490?= In-Reply-To: <199912021508.RAA13853@ds9.sci.fi> Message-ID: At 17:08 2.12.1999 +0200, you wrote: >I know that this subject was already here, but can somebody mail to me >correct track list of this CD, please. > >What is that free CD, which is mention there? and how many collectors >series is already out? 23.06.1990, GLASTONBURY, FESTIVAL black elk speaks / angels of death / golden void / brainstorm / the door / ejection / sword of dawn / hassan i sahba / dream worker / you shouldn?t do that / images Bernhard From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Thu Dec 2 12:54:12 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:54:12 -0500 Subject: poll Message-ID: > 1. How old are you? [Hall, Russell J] 32 > 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? [Hall, Russell J] 30 > 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? [Hall, Russell J] Choose Your Masques (It was on sale - half-off) > 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? [Hall, Russell J] No - Hall of the Mountain Grill (The second album I bought - same sale, different day) > 5. What is your favourite HW album now? [Hall, Russell J] Sonic Attack > 6. What HW album do you play the most? [Hall, Russell J] Its a tie - Sonic Attack and Hall of the Mountain Grill > Geographic location? [Hall, Russell J] New England From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Dec 2 12:33:31 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:33:31 -0500 Subject: OFF: Live...With a Little Help From Our Friends: Collector's Edition In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 14.55 -0500 99-11-30, Paul Mather wrote: >On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Marshall Wood wrote: >=> On Tue, 30 Nov 1999 11:45:43 Paul Mather wrote: >=> >NP: Gov't Mule, _Live...With a Little Help From Our Friends: >Collector's Edition_ >=> >=> Huh, "Collector's Edition"? What's that got that my plain old vanilla >edition doesn't have? > >How about two extra CDs?? ;-) Ah, I had just about given up on the promised full version of the concert appearing on CD! Just as well I was too poor to buy the 2CD version ;) Cheers, Carl ObTape: Gov't Mule, 26 Dec 96, Mamma Kin's, Boston. Ta to Scott for the tape. Last time I saw Rudy R, that show ... -- Carl Edlund Anderson mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Dec 2 13:20:30 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:20:30 EST Subject: OFF: Censorship hits home Message-ID: In a message dated 11/30/99 3:18:49 PM, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: << > I was referring to hardcore porno, and I'm pretty sure it's illegal in Canada, Toronto's legendary 'gentlemen's clubs' notwistanding... >> ============== computers arent illegal, tho' (yet?) why bother carrying hardcore over the border when, as all canuck cyber-smutboys would surely tell you they got more internet smut than they could ever consume no matter how hard they try, eh? "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Dec 2 13:48:24 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:48:24 EST Subject: OFF: Censorship hits home Message-ID: In a message dated 11/30/99 4:41:33 PM, daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK writes: << Actually, this has been done >in other US cities, c.f. Boston--a city which always used to pride >itself as one of the intellectual nerve centers of North America. >> =========== i commented the other day on the demise of boston's 'combat zone', and was reminded of a distantly-related anecdote... my former 'real' band, disarray, played a gig in '82 at a boston club called maverick's (currently known as t.t. the bears). it had been an 'urban cowboy' bar and before that a lesbian bar, but now it was a strip joint in the afternoon and a 'new wave' club at night. it wasnt in the 'combat zone' as we brought our equipment in, you could see the naked lady =only one= grinding away, doing spreads, etc. but there was no stage, just this tiny foot-high riser with some short 'fence' around it. she was gorgeous, too-actually a couple of us, heh, had seen her a few months ago at a different place called "the naked i" (a 'combat zone' classic) . here she was, like, facing the bartender, just a few feet from the backs of a buncha geezers at the bar, who paid her no attention. very strange. she talked with us on a break; another college girl making some xtra bux, as many did when the 'combat zone' had half a dozen strip clubs. anyway, the gig was a real drag; one of the three bands didnt show, and there were more people listening outside the side door during our set than there were inside the club. =exactly 4, including the stripper lady, who departed before we finished. &^^*&(& midweek gigs... "<>" From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Thu Dec 2 13:47:48 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:47:48 -0600 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: Subject: Re: HW: Recent v Old / Poll >>> 1. How old are you? > >42 > >>> 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? > >18 > >>> 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? > >Doremi > >>> 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? > >Doremi > >>>5: what is your favourite HW album now? > >Warrior > >>> 6: what HW album do you play the most? > >Years ago, it was the first half dozen releases >Now.....All about the same. > Hawkman From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Dec 2 14:08:18 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:08:18 EST Subject: OFF: Bubblegum hits home Message-ID: In a message dated 11/30/99 7:06:44 PM, Stewartbas at AOL.COM writes: << << (of course, we all know the answer to that question is 1910 Fruitgum Co.) >> Yummy Yummy Yummy I got love in my Tummy! Sounds Porney to me. =========== so it's come to this..... "yummy yummy yummy" was by the OHIO EXPRESS biggest hits by 1910 fruitgum co. were "simon says", "1-2-3 red light", goody goody gumdrops", and "indian giver", the latter covered by the ramones. a-hem "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Dec 2 14:10:56 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:10:56 EST Subject: OFF: Stimulation hits home Message-ID: In a message dated 12/1/99 7:54:39 AM, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: << I didn't realise porn was intended to stimulate the intellect! >> ....depends on =which= brain yr. thinkin' with... "<>" From tclark at PETRONET.NET Thu Dec 2 14:22:58 1999 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:22:58 -0600 Subject: OFF: Censorship hits home Message-ID: Gives a new meaning to the term "Canooky", ey! DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 11/30/99 3:18:49 PM, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: > > << > > I was referring to hardcore porno, and I'm pretty sure it's illegal > in Canada, Toronto's legendary 'gentlemen's clubs' notwistanding... > >> > ============== > computers arent illegal, tho' (yet?) > why bother carrying hardcore over the border > when, as all canuck cyber-smutboys would surely tell you > they got more internet smut than they could ever consume > no matter how hard they try, eh? > > "<>" From bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET Thu Dec 2 15:34:56 1999 From: bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:34:56 -0500 Subject: OFF: Just for fun Message-ID: >From http://www.dfan.org/writing/bands.html > I'm in a band. The name of our band is Honest Bob & the Factory-to-Dealer Incentives. Some people find this amusing. Clubs just find it long, and we end up being advertised as just Honest Bob, which is fine, because if I tell the audience our whole name twice during a set, our set ends up at 39 minutes instead of 40, and we can use the extra time. So I was thinking, we've had such success with a name that's unintentionally annoying; imagine how far you could get with a name that's annoying on purpose! And in no time at all I enumerated the TOP TEN BAND NAMES THAT REALLY PISS OFF CLUB OWNERS 10. Help Wanted, Ask at Bar 9. Fresh Out Of Beer 8. 150 dB Guaranteed 7. Ask About Our Group Rates 6. Welcome Class of '46 5. Take Home All Rats You Catch 4. Tiny Tim Unplugged 3. No Shirt, No Shoes, No Cover 2. Soon To Be Asbestos-Free! 1. Sorry, Closed Every Shabbos From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Thu Dec 2 15:41:47 1999 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:41:47 -0500 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll Message-ID: > > 1. How old are you? > 38 > > > 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 20 > > > 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? Hall of the Mountain Grill > > > 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? No...At first it was Levitation (Thanks to Tom Clark!!! Thank bloody fool!) > > > 5: what is your favourite HW album now? > Space Ritual > > > and 6: what HW album do you play the most? > I always come back to Space Ritual...It still sounds fresh to me today as it did 18 years ago. > Dan Ductor From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Dec 2 15:01:49 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:01:49 -0800 Subject: OFF: Bubblegum hits home Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:08:18 EST, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: >In a message dated 11/30/99 7:06:44 PM, Stewartbas at AOL.COM writes: > >> << (of course, we all know the answer to that question is 1910 Fruitgum >>Co.) >> >>Yummy Yummy Yummy I got love in my Tummy! Sounds Porney to me. > >=========== >so it's come to this..... > >"yummy yummy yummy" was by the OHIO EXPRESS >biggest hits by 1910 fruitgum co. were "simon says", "1-2-3 red light", goody >goody gumdrops", and "indian giver", the latter covered by the ramones. ... all of which ARE pretty "porney" when you think about it. "1-2-3 Red Light" with lines like "Everytime I make a move to love you / 1-2-3 Red Light / You stop me / Baby it ain't right / To stop me / 1-2-3 Red Light ..." is about as forward a frustrated plea for adolescent SEX as anything by, say, latter-day Def Leppard (I love the version by sex-obsessed UK indie-poppers the Pooh Sticks from the late 80s). -Doug ceres at sirius.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Dec 2 14:56:04 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:56:04 -0800 Subject: HW:Recent v Old/Poll Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Dec 1999 12:09:24 GMT, M Holmes wrote: >ASAM is a strange one. It definitely is. I'm sure that part of the reason it's "underrated" is that it falls between two of the band's best albums (WotEoT / QS&C - both in my top 5 HW albums). >I get times when I love everything on it and >other times when I can't stand hearing anything except Reefer Madness. "Reefer Madness" definitely rules, but I also love "Steppenwolf" for having some of Calvert's most theatrical moments, and "Kadu Flyer" for its superb melodicism (just like all of Simon House's compositions), nice sitar drones and soprano sax. One of the most disappointing things (for me) about Nik's 1995 US tour (captured on 'Past or Future') was that Len Del Rio played keyboards on that song instead of Simon (who was there, dammit!). Len's a great synth player, but when it comes to keyboards, he's no Simon House (but Steve Swindells and Fred Reeves are the only HW keyboard players who even come remotely close to his talent IMO, and neither was in the band for very long). But yeah, I can go either way on "Kerb Crawler" and the instrumentals (although the transition from "Kadu Flyer" to "Chronoglide Skyway" is brilliant), -Doug ceres at sirius.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Dec 2 15:45:57 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 12:45:57 -0800 Subject: BOC Covers Message-ID: A pretty amazing list, if you ask me ... I'm familiar with a few of these ... On Thu, 2 Dec 1999 09:07:12 -0500, FAQman "John A. Swartz" wrote: >Here's what the BOC FAQ has for cover tunes on BOC - a few additional >comments by me are [in brackets]: > >John OK, I'll put mine {in braces} >Bands Covering BOC >================== > > >Artist - "BOC Cover" - *Recording Title* > >CHOP (Mike Watt project) - "I'm On The Lamb, But I Ain't No Sheep" and > "She's As Beautiful As A Foot" - single {Watt rules!} >Honeymoon Killers - "Godzilla" - *Let It Breed* {I like this one, but it's totally UGLY sludge-rock so YMMV} >L7 - "This Ain't The Summer Of Love" - *"I Know What You Did Last > Summer" Movie Soundtrack* >[heard it on the radio and thought it sounded pretty good - others have disagreed] {grunge by-the-numbers; does nothing for me. I like the Nomads/Screamin' Dizbusters version much more} >The Meatmen - "Hot Rails To Hell" - *Pope On A Rope* >[Hot Rails as a punk song - I'm not into punk, but it seems to work] {not every BOC song would sound good in a punk rendition, but "Hot Rails To Hell" is one that definitely would!} >Metallica - "Astronomy" - *Garage, Inc.* >[decent, and easy to find - but Kirk Hamment is no Buck Dharma] {Yeah, it's OK, but I think that Metallica could have picked a song better-suited towards their sound ... there's no way a Metallica version is going to have the atmosphere of menace and mystery that the original does ... anyone have any ideas?} >The Minutemen - "The Red And The Black" - *3 Way Tie (For Last)* > - "The Red And The Black" (live) - *Tour Spiel* (7" EP) {like I said, Watt rules!} >The Mutton Birds - "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" - *"The Frighteners" > Movie Soundtrack* {this version is GREAT! Until I heard it, I would have thought that it would be completely pointless for anyone to cover this song, but the Mutton Birds really do something *different* with it and make it work} >Clint Ruin & Lydia Lunch - "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" - *Don't Fear The > Reaper* (EP) {sort of industrial-music-ish and not particularly interesting IMO} >Screaming Dizbusters (The Nomads) - "This Ain't The Summer Of Love" - > single {this version rocks; highly recommended for those into garage/punk; it's also contained on a recent Nomads double-CD compilation on Sympathy for the Record Industry, the title of which I can't recall} >The Screaming Tribesmen - "The Red And The Black" {I haven't heard this version, but I think that Chris Masuak of Radio Birdman was in this band after RB broke up} >World of Pooh - "Dominance and Submission" - *Not All That Terrifies > Harms* (compilation) {a band who really turned my head around when I saw them perform in SF about 10 years ago ... never heard them play this live, though. Some might find this version a bit too "lo-fi" but it works for me, perhaps because I'm a sucker for hearing a female backing voice, sometimes ... the version of D&S that my band Dogbreath does was partially inspired by this version, but one of our performances of the song was a cover of the 'Live 1976' version ("Dear mr. Carter - me an' my friends, we wanna get high! And we don't wanna have to go to jail for it" - ouch!)} > Also, the magazine *Forced Exposure* published a fake review of a >non-existent BOC tribute album. The review appears in issue #18 (Spring >1994). The fake album is called "Then Came The Last Days Of May", and >presumably features the following artists and BOC covers: A former bandmate admitted that he had been suckered and asked around about buying a copy ... it was, unfortunately to me, a pretty obvious prank. More BOC covers is definitely a good thing (as long as it's not "Reaper")! -Doug ceres at sirius.com From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Thu Dec 2 15:48:04 1999 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 20:48:04 -0000 Subject: OFF: Just for fun Message-ID: We had a band called The Mary-Joanna Experience that caused a laugh - it was better than the alternatives that we decied not to use: Crazy Bob and the Amphetamine Death Dwarves/Captain Codpiece and the Love Torpedoes... --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Halligan To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 8:34 PM Subject: OFF: Just for fun > From http://www.dfan.org/writing/bands.html > > > > I'm in a band. The name of our band is Honest Bob & the Factory-to-Dealer > Incentives. Some people find this amusing. Clubs just find it long, and we > end up being advertised as just Honest Bob, which is fine, because if I > tell the audience our whole name twice during a set, our set ends up at 39 > minutes instead of 40, and we can use the extra time. > > So I was thinking, we've had such success with a name that's > unintentionally annoying; imagine how far you could get with a name that's > annoying on purpose! And in no time at all I enumerated the > > TOP TEN BAND NAMES THAT REALLY PISS OFF CLUB OWNERS > > 10. Help Wanted, Ask at Bar > > 9. Fresh Out Of Beer > > 8. 150 dB Guaranteed > > 7. Ask About Our Group Rates > > 6. Welcome Class of '46 > > 5. Take Home All Rats You Catch > > 4. Tiny Tim Unplugged > > 3. No Shirt, No Shoes, No Cover > > 2. Soon To Be Asbestos-Free! > > 1. Sorry, Closed Every Shabbos From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Dec 2 15:59:25 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:59:25 EST Subject: OFF: Bubblegum hits home Message-ID: In a message dated 12/2/99 3:48:27 PM, ceres at SIRIUS.COM writes: << 1-2-3 Red Light ..." is about as forward a frustrated plea for adolescent SEX as anything by, say, latter-day Def Leppard (I love the version by sex-obsessed UK indie-poppers the Pooh Sticks from the late 80s). >> ============== also done by the real early talking heads, and i coulda worn the first ad i saw for "t.h. '77" said it was on that lp. as for the ohio xpress, if "yummy x 3" wasnt 'porny' enough, there was the followup, "chewy chewy". dont bite down TOO hard.... "<>" From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu Dec 2 16:04:27 1999 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:04:27 -0500 Subject: OFF: Just for fun In-Reply-To: <4.1.19991202153046.00955220@mail.earthlink.net>; from bthalligan@EARTHLINK.NET on Thu, Dec 02, 1999 at 03:34:56PM -0500 Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 02, 1999 at 03:34:56PM -0500, Brian Halligan wrote: > TOP TEN BAND NAMES THAT REALLY PISS OFF CLUB OWNERS This week only... 11. The World Trade Organization -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / If Microsoft made Lego, they'd make it with square pips. From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Dec 2 16:16:08 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:16:08 EST Subject: OFF: Just for fun Message-ID: ......in '78 we had a band which, prior to settling on THE LOCALS, played out (once) as CARMEN AND THE DESERT SNEAKERS. "<>" From bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET Thu Dec 2 16:16:31 1999 From: bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:16:31 -0500 Subject: OFF: Just for fun In-Reply-To: <002201bf3d06$897e09e0$a8c0a8c0@alien8.co.uk> Message-ID: Kevin wrote: >We had a band called The Mary-Joanna Experience that caused a laugh I like it. It works on so many levels. :-) >it was >better than the alternatives that we decied not to use: Crazy Bob and the >Amphetamine Death Dwarves/Captain Codpiece and the Love Torpedoes... I don't know. "Captain Codpiece and the Love Torpedoes" is bound to bring 'em in on Ladies' Nights. Brian >--- >Kevin Perry >Sonic Energy Authority >http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ > >"It is the business of the future to be dangerous; >and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its >duties." From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Dec 2 16:20:11 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:20:11 EST Subject: BOC Covers Message-ID: In a message dated 12/2/99 3:48:36 PM, ceres at SIRIUS.COM writes: << >The Minutemen - "The Red And The Black" - *3 Way Tie (For Last)* > - "The Red And The Black" (live) - *Tour Spiel* (7" EP) {like I said, Watt rules! >> ======== yeah, well... dunno as if i'd say he ruled the minutemen... RIP D. Boon "<>" From corwyn2 at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Dec 2 16:22:57 1999 From: corwyn2 at MINDSPRING.COM (Michael Habiby) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:22:57 -0500 Subject: OFF: Just for fun In-Reply-To: <19991202160427.D6812@telepres.com> Message-ID: True story: My best friends roommate in college was in a band called Happy Cancer. They were quite good actually. Very tight fusion ala John McLaughlin or Brand X. Anyway they tried to go "public" in the LA market (not Louisiana) and changed their name to Kafka's Breakfast. Mikey -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Eric Siegerman Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 4:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: OFF: Just for fun On Thu, Dec 02, 1999 at 03:34:56PM -0500, Brian Halligan wrote: > TOP TEN BAND NAMES THAT REALLY PISS OFF CLUB OWNERS This week only... 11. The World Trade Organization -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / If Microsoft made Lego, they'd make it with square pips. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Dec 2 16:12:10 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:12:10 -0500 Subject: BOC Covers Message-ID: John said... >Here's what the BOC FAQ has for cover tunes on BOC - a few additional >comments by me are [in brackets]: > >Bands Covering BOC >================== Movie Soundtrack* >The Panther Moderns - "See You In Black" - *Red Star* (John Shirley's > band released their own > version, with different > music, before BOC's *Heaven > Forbid*) > >[sort of funky - nowhere near as heavy as BOC - interesting though in >that you get more the point of view of John Shirley, the lyricist for >this song] Add in... Primordial Undermind - "Flaming Teletubbies" or something. :) >Radio Birdman - "Transmaniacon MC" - *Surfing At 2JJJ* (bootleg) > - "Career Of Evil" - *Rock'n'Roll War* (bootleg - credits > the song to "Bouchard/Smith - Blue Oyster Cult) > - *Murder City Nights* (bootleg - the > track is mislabeled "Career Beatle") > - "ME-262", "Before The Kiss", and "Dominance And > Submission" have also been covered live - unknown > whether or not recorded versions exist Keith H. (FAA) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Dec 2 16:22:19 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:22:19 -0500 Subject: OFF: Just for fun Message-ID: >We had a band called The Mary-Joanna Experience that caused a laugh - it was >better than the alternatives that we decied not to use: Crazy Bob and the >Amphetamine Death Dwarves/Captain Codpiece and the Love Torpedoes... The latter, seemingly Tappish, name reminds me of the only 'band' that I was ever a part of, though we never actually did play anything of any significance/consequence. Prolly cause we didn't know how to play our instruments. Anyway, we called ourselves 'Sphincter Sandwich.' No doubt it was 50% inspired by Shark Sandwich/Shit Sandwich and 50% 'Sphincter Boy' from Wayne's World. >> TOP TEN BAND NAMES THAT REALLY PISS OFF CLUB OWNERS >> >> 9. Fresh Out Of Beer C'mon, how could you ignore the most obvious ones?...'Free Beer' and 'Free Sex'. Keith H. (FAA) From scorch at TE-CATS.COM Thu Dec 2 17:05:08 1999 From: scorch at TE-CATS.COM (John H. McCartney) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:05:08 -0800 Subject: OFF: Just for fun Message-ID: Another one that looks good on the marquee outside: NO BAND TONIGHT of course, you could really fool 'em and name your band Karaoke..... scorch From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Dec 2 17:20:19 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:20:19 -0800 Subject: OFF: Just for fun Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:05:08 -0800, "John H. McCartney" wrote: >Another one that looks good on the marquee outside: > >NO BAND TONIGHT > >of course, you could really fool 'em and name your band Karaoke..... Hmmmm ... these days you could probably get more bookings if you named your band 'DJ Whatshisname' ... whether there's a DJ in the band or not. -Doug (too cynical for his own good about this at the moment) ceres at sirius.com From erics at TELEPRES.COM Thu Dec 2 17:32:40 1999 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:32:40 -0500 Subject: OFF: Just for fun In-Reply-To: <199912022205.OAA04213@bob.te-cats.com >; from scorch@TE-CATS.COM on Thu, Dec 02, 1999 at 02:05:08PM -0800 Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 02, 1999 at 02:05:08PM -0800, John H. McCartney wrote: > Another one that looks good on the marquee outside: > > > NO BAND TONIGHT Which reminds me, even further off-topic, of what a local repertory cinema recently had on their marquee: WORLD'S BEST COMMERCIALS STOP MAKING SENSE -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / If Microsoft made Lego, they'd make it with square pips. From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Thu Dec 2 17:38:49 1999 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 22:38:49 -0000 Subject: OFF: Just for fun Message-ID: Very Tappish indeed :-) And why not... Previous band names (OK, from school!) included Metagalactic Llamas at the Edge of Time (a nod to Jeff Minter) and Rotating Edgar and his Nuclear WOmbats (no, I don't know what this means either) - the name we actually ended up with there is too embarrassing to repeat...but we did do covers of QS&C and Silver Machine. --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Henderson To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 9:22 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Just for fun > >We had a band called The Mary-Joanna Experience that caused a laugh - it was > >better than the alternatives that we decied not to use: Crazy Bob and the > >Amphetamine Death Dwarves/Captain Codpiece and the Love Torpedoes... > > The latter, seemingly Tappish, name reminds me of the only 'band' that I was > ever a part of, though we never actually did play anything of any > significance/consequence. Prolly cause we didn't know how to play our > instruments. Anyway, we called ourselves 'Sphincter Sandwich.' No doubt it > was 50% inspired by Shark Sandwich/Shit Sandwich and 50% 'Sphincter Boy' > from Wayne's World. > > >> TOP TEN BAND NAMES THAT REALLY PISS OFF CLUB OWNERS > >> > >> 9. Fresh Out Of Beer > > C'mon, how could you ignore the most obvious ones?...'Free Beer' and 'Free Sex'. > > Keith H. (FAA) From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Thu Dec 2 18:57:38 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David Greenhalgh) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 08:57:38 +0900 Subject: OFF: Just for fun Message-ID: Kevin Said > > > C'mon, how could you ignore the most obvious ones?...'Free Beer' and 'Free Sex'. > There was a band in Portsmouth called "Free Beer at the..." in the mid-eighties. Our band used to be called The Pogles Wood Oompah Band which raised an eyebrow or two in Nottingham. Dave From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Dec 2 19:22:15 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:22:15 -0000 Subject: HW:Recent v Old/Poll (ASAM and Hawklords) Message-ID: Yeah, I dug out ASAM today. Steppenwolf, Reefer Madness, Kerb Crawler (crying out for a heavier version by the current line-up), Chronoglide all great. Kadu Flyer depends on the mood I'm in. The other two tunes(?), no use at all (what happened to Paul Rudolph in the period between leaving the Pink Fairies and joining HW is a mystery). Is the bold Baron Brock on them, I think not - which may explain it. After listening to ASAM I dug out some more vinyl, I like watching that old "Famous Charisma" label rotating at 33rpm, and stuck the Hawklords LP on. Brilliant stuff: humour, great playing, style, and tunes (one more time:"cabinet key, cabinet key"). Followed this with Quark and PXR5 (get PXR5 back in the set list now). The sound of the Charisma LPs has a roundedness not present on a lot of the later material, whether or not that is good or bad is a matter of taste I suppose. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Doug Pearson To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 02 December 1999 20:48 Subject: Re: HW:Recent v Old/Poll >On Wed, 1 Dec 1999 12:09:24 GMT, M Holmes wrote: >>ASAM is a strange one. > >It definitely is. I'm sure that part of the reason it's "underrated" is >that it falls between two of the band's best albums (WotEoT / QS&C - both >in my top 5 HW albums). > >>I get times when I love everything on it and >>other times when I can't stand hearing anything except Reefer Madness. > >"Reefer Madness" definitely rules, but I also love "Steppenwolf" for having >some of Calvert's most theatrical moments, and "Kadu Flyer" for its superb >melodicism (just like all of Simon House's compositions), nice sitar drones >and soprano sax. One of the most disappointing things (for me) about Nik's >1995 US tour (captured on 'Past or Future') was that Len Del Rio played >keyboards on that song instead of Simon (who was there, dammit!). Len's a >great synth player, but when it comes to keyboards, he's no Simon House >(but Steve Swindells and Fred Reeves are the only HW keyboard players who >even come remotely close to his talent IMO, and neither was in the band for >very long). > >But yeah, I can go either way on "Kerb Crawler" and the instrumentals >(although the transition from "Kadu Flyer" to "Chronoglide Skyway" is >brilliant), > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com > From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Dec 2 19:56:15 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:56:15 -0800 Subject: HW:Recent v Old/Poll (ASAM and Hawklords) Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:22:15 -0000, david hall mentioned: >what happened to Paul Rudolph in the period between leaving the Pink >Fairies and joining HW is a mystery Not really ... Brian Eno and Robert Calvert (w/Eno playing synth on the first and producing the second) solo albums. Great stuff (duh!), even if it probably is Robert Fripp, and not Rudolph, playing that blistering guitar solo on "Baby's On Fire" (probably one of my all-time-favorite guitar solos). Isn't Simon King on one of those Eno albums, too? (but then again, so is Phil Collins - I'm pretty certain that he and Rudolph even play on the same track(s), which makes great fodder for those connect-the-bands-by-their-members game) After Hawkwind, there was the Deviants' 'Screwed Up' EP, another Eno album or two, and Kicks w/Al Powell (who I've heard were awful, but I never had the chance to hear them). I think that's about it. I find it odd that such a great guitarist (it's truly a public service that the Glastonbury Fayre version of "Uncle Harry's Last Freakout" has been reissued on several albums in the last year or two) wound up being such a mediocre bassist (compare Lemmy's comments on him, which I think can be found in one of those article reprints on http://www.hawkwind.com - 'the trials of Lemmy' perhaps, to Lemmy's opinion of Ade Shaw, which can be found on the inner sleeve of the Mot?rhead album on Chiswick), -Doug ceres at sirius.com From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Dec 2 20:23:10 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 01:23:10 -0000 Subject: HW:Recent v Old/Poll (ASAM and Hawklords) Message-ID: Ta I had forgotten about Eno. Lemmy's comments? My copy doesn't have any - no inner bag. Could you enlighten me. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Doug Pearson To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 03 December 1999 00:59 Subject: Re: HW:Recent v Old/Poll (ASAM and Hawklords) On Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:22:15 -0000, david hall mentioned: >what happened to Paul Rudolph in the period between leaving the Pink >Fairies and joining HW is a mystery Not really ... Brian Eno and Robert Calvert (w/Eno playing synth on the first and producing the second) solo albums. Great stuff (duh!), even if it probably is Robert Fripp, and not Rudolph, playing that blistering guitar solo on "Baby's On Fire" (probably one of my all-time-favorite guitar solos). Isn't Simon King on one of those Eno albums, too? (but then again, so is Phil Collins - I'm pretty certain that he and Rudolph even play on the same track(s), which makes great fodder for those connect-the-bands-by-their-members game) After Hawkwind, there was the Deviants' 'Screwed Up' EP, another Eno album or two, and Kicks w/Al Powell (who I've heard were awful, but I never had the chance to hear them). I think that's about it. I find it odd that such a great guitarist (it's truly a public service that the Glastonbury Fayre version of "Uncle Harry's Last Freakout" has been reissued on several albums in the last year or two) wound up being such a mediocre bassist (compare Lemmy's comments on him, which I think can be found in one of those article reprints on http://www.hawkwind.com - 'the trials of Lemmy' perhaps, to Lemmy's opinion of Ade Shaw, which can be found on the inner sleeve of the Mot?rhead album on Chiswick), -Doug ceres at sirius.com From flossbac at NLCI.COM Thu Dec 2 20:34:45 1999 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 20:34:45 -0500 Subject: OFF: Just for fun Message-ID: I've been in bands for ages, but I never got to use too many really crazy band names.....let's see....I played one show as The Latter-Day Whores. I wanted to call a band The Collected Shorter Plays Of Samuel Beckett, but it got vetoed.....can't imagine why. John Majka http://www.nlci.com/users/flossbac/hawkwind.html From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Thu Dec 2 20:47:32 1999 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 20:47:32 EST Subject: OFF: Just for fun Message-ID: a few pick-up bands i've fallen in and out of: mangled elf monster dogs third knuckle the kegbugs martian bonfire (get it?) hidalgo trading co./universal export never caused any trouble with club owners, but always guaranteed total anonymity and therefore freedom from expectations. weren't we clever? rmayo From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Thu Dec 2 20:53:38 1999 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 20:53:38 EST Subject: OFF: Just for fun Message-ID: speaking of marquees... anyone catch PIL's 'generic album' tour? the album featured 'generic'-looking non-art; the lp was white with the word 'album' in small blue lettering, the cassette said 'cassette', etc. when they played at the orpheum in boston, the marquee outside the theatre redd 'marquee'. they played 'kashmir' by zep. stunning. rmayo From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Thu Dec 2 22:52:58 1999 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 21:52:58 -0600 Subject: OFF: Just for fun Message-ID: The Canonical List of Weird Band Names The Peculiar and the Profane These are names of actual bands, past and present. Updated 10/17/99. There are currently 1,530 band names. http://home.earthlink.net/~chellec/ -- "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." - Frank Zappa From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Dec 3 00:12:02 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 21:12:02 -0800 Subject: HW:Recent v Old/Poll (ASAM and Hawklords) Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Dec 1999 01:23:10 -0000, david hall wrote: >Ta I had forgotten about Eno. >Lemmy's comments? My copy doesn't have any - no inner bag. Could you >enlighten me. In the lengthy "thanks" section, immediately after the Pink Fairies' road manager & rhythm section, Lemmy adds "The Hawkpersons (good one Adrian)". Pretty cool IMO for the man to tip his hat to his most worthy successor (at least until Alan, but after having seen Adrian Shaw play with Bevis Frond a few times, I gotta say that he's my second-favorite Hawkwind bass player with Alan a very close third). -Doug ceres at sirius.com >Dave >-----Original Message----- >From: Doug Pearson >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Date: 03 December 1999 00:59 >Subject: Re: HW:Recent v Old/Poll (ASAM and Hawklords) > >On Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:22:15 -0000, david hall mentioned: >>what happened to Paul Rudolph in the period between leaving the Pink >>Fairies and joining HW is a mystery > >Not really ... Brian Eno and Robert Calvert (w/Eno playing synth on the >first and producing the second) solo albums. Great stuff (duh!), even if >it probably is Robert Fripp, and not Rudolph, playing that blistering >guitar solo on "Baby's On Fire" (probably one of my all-time-favorite >guitar solos). Isn't Simon King on one of those Eno albums, too? (but >then again, so is Phil Collins - I'm pretty certain that he and Rudolph >even play on the same track(s), which makes great fodder for those >connect-the-bands-by-their-members game) > >After Hawkwind, there was the Deviants' 'Screwed Up' EP, another Eno album >or two, and Kicks w/Al Powell (who I've heard were awful, but I never had >the chance to hear them). I think that's about it. I find it odd that >such a great guitarist (it's truly a public service that the Glastonbury >Fayre version of "Uncle Harry's Last Freakout" has been reissued on several >albums in the last year or two) wound up being such a mediocre bassist >(compare Lemmy's comments on him, which I think can be found in one of >those article reprints on http://www.hawkwind.com - 'the trials of Lemmy' >perhaps, to Lemmy's opinion of Ade Shaw, which can be found on the inner >sleeve of the Mot?rhead album on Chiswick) From novadrive at HOME.COM Fri Dec 3 00:18:47 1999 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 22:18:47 -0700 Subject: OFF: Just for fun In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > True story: > > My best friends roommate in college was in a band called Happy > Cancer. They > were quite good actually. Very tight fusion ala John McLaughlin > or Brand X. > Anyway they tried to go "public" in the LA market (not Louisiana) and > changed their name to Kafka's Breakfast. > > Mikey > And then, I believe, they mutated into Djam Karet (http://www.djamkaret.com/), also very tight fusion. Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu < http://members.home.net/novadrive/> From novadrive at HOME.COM Fri Dec 3 01:43:44 1999 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 23:43:44 -0700 Subject: cdr tree report (Highrise) In-Reply-To: <3844A636.CB16B04E@uswest.net> Message-ID: Wow! Sounds fantastic. And boy, do I miss Harvey............ Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu < http://members.home.net/novadrive/> > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Dan Witt > Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 9:38 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: HW: cdr tree report > > > In the > meantime, there is an mp3 of highrise(from the milton keynes show > 11/10/99) available for download in my box at freediskspace.com. For > your convenience I've reposted the instructions for entering my box. The > highrise mp3 is in the same folder. > > I will post again to gather interested people's information when all is > ready. > > > > > > > > > At this link: > http://www.freediskspace.com/Folders/107738/ You will find my folder on freediskspace. You will need to be a member if you're not already (it's free and they don't spam you). You need to create login name and pw, it takes less than a minute. Then you will get your own 25meg storage site. After you've registered then enter my folder using your login and pw, then enter my password for my shared folder,,,,which is borntogo. Again the password is borntogo. This will take you into my folder where you will see one file, btgsd9902.rm. It is a realmedia 96.7kbps stereo soundfile, it sounds quite nice. Your Realplayer will play this file, Realplayer is also free for those of you that do not have it. You can right click on the file and save it to your hard drive, or simply play it by clicking on it. The file is about 4600kb. I have tested the file by downloading it, and everything appears to work fine. Please log out of my folder when you are done, it might tie up access for other people. From novadrive at HOME.COM Fri Dec 3 03:41:01 1999 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 01:41:01 -0700 Subject: cdr tree report (Highrise) In-Reply-To: <000001bf3d59$be8c1b60$36730918@chnd1.az.home.com> Message-ID: > Wow! Sounds fantastic. And boy, do I miss Harvey............ And of course Simon House. Great violin! And the vocals: a nice Calvert nod (from Ron, I'm assuming). > Kevin Sommers > > primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu > > < http://members.home.net/novadrive/> > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > Behalf Of Dan Witt > > Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 9:38 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > > Subject: HW: cdr tree report > > > > > > > In the > > meantime, there is an mp3 of highrise(from the milton keynes show > > 11/10/99) available for download in my box at freediskspace.com. For > > your convenience I've reposted the instructions for entering my box. The > > highrise mp3 is in the same folder. > > > > I will post again to gather interested people's information when all is > > ready. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this link: > > > http://www.freediskspace.com/Folders/107738/ > > You will find my folder on freediskspace. You will need to be a member > if you're not already (it's free and they don't spam you). You need to > create login name and pw, it takes less than a minute. Then you will > get your own 25meg storage site. > > After you've registered then enter my folder using your login and pw, > then enter my password for my shared folder,,,,which is borntogo. Again > the password is borntogo. This will take you into my folder where you > will see one file, btgsd9902.rm. It is a realmedia 96.7kbps stereo > soundfile, it sounds quite nice. Your Realplayer will play this file, > Realplayer is also free for those of you that do not have it. You can > right click on the file and save it to your hard drive, or simply play > it by clicking on it. The file is about 4600kb. I have tested the file > by downloading it, and everything appears to work fine. Please log out > of my folder when you are done, it might tie up access for other people. > From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Dec 3 03:48:56 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 08:48:56 -0000 Subject: HW:Recent v Old/Poll (ASAM and Hawklords) In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991202165615.0091c1e0@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: > guitar solos). Isn't Simon King on one of those Eno albums, too? _Here Come the Warm Jets_, I think. -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From novadrive at HOME.COM Fri Dec 3 04:12:02 1999 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 02:12:02 -0700 Subject: HW: Recent v Old / Poll In-Reply-To: Message-ID: 1. How old are you? 34 2. How old were you when you first heard Hawkwind? 18 3. What was the 1st HW album you heard? "Warrior On The Edge Of Time." I was in a used record store (very cheap stuff, which came in very handy, as I was in college at the time), when I heard this wonderful noise coming from the speakers. I said to the guy behind the counter, "Wow, what is this?" "Hawkwind," he said, "We've got plenty of their records." And they were in good shape, all considered. And I bought them all in the course of the next few months. 4. Was that the one that "Hooked-You"? Oh yeah! I was into metal (Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, etc) and prog rock (Yes, ELP, Pink Floyd and such), and this was the perfect mix of the two. When I went back the next week with a few dollars, the two that I picked out first (eeny-meeny-miney-mo) were "Sonic Attack" and "Quark Strangeness and Charm." 5: what is your favourite HW album now? That one with Dave on it. 6: what HW album do you play the most? You know, that other one with Dave. Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu < http://members.home.net/novadrive/> From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Dec 3 06:17:50 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 06:17:50 EST Subject: OFF: Just for fun Message-ID: In a message dated 12/2/99 6:57:20 PM, d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET writes: << C'mon, how could you ignore the most obvious ones?...'Free Beer' and 'Free Sex'. >> ========= there actually was a band in the first half of the '70s called "free beer", who were on mercury, i tink... "<>" From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 3 06:28:01 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:28:01 GMT Subject: HW: Y2K In-Reply-To: Jonathan Jarrett's message of Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:27:31 +0000 Message-ID: Jonathan Jarrett writes: > What was it with Calvert and crockery? It seems to have been his > weapon of choice... Or is this some aspect of seventies culture on which I > have missed out? Yours, Perhaps it's the next step of escalation in a food fight? Mike "Go To DEFCON II" Holmes From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Dec 3 06:30:27 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 06:30:27 EST Subject: HW:Recent v Old/Poll (ASAM and Hawklords) Message-ID: In a message dated 12/2/99 7:58:48 PM, ceres at SIRIUS.COM writes: << Great stuff (duh!), even if it probably is Robert Fripp, and not Rudolph, playing that blistering guitar solo on "Baby's On Fire" (probably one of my all-time-favorite guitar solos). Isn't Simon King on one of those Eno albums, too? (but then again, so is Phil Collins - I'm pretty certain that he and Rudolph even play on the same track(s), which makes great fodder for those connect-the-bands-by-their-members game) >> ======= but of course, it's fripp's solo on "baby's on fire" king's on much of "warm jets" as has already been said but rudolph wasnt on "tiger mtn." nor was collins on "warm jets" "<>" From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Fri Dec 3 06:48:33 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Zeitgeist) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:48:33 +0000 Subject: HW: HW vs Voiceprint - who are the bastards Message-ID: This has probably been discussed already, but I have a spleen that needs venting. As one of Mr Blairs NewDealNoJobBenefit?Don'tBeStupidYou'veOnlyPaidNationalInsuranceForEighteenY ears job seekers (the unemployed as was), money is tight. So I spent last weekend working on a building site with the express purpose of amassing enough money to buy "Glastonbury 1990" and "Live 1982". So I handed over 32 pound coins, received my CDs and went off home with a smile on my face, secure in the knowledge that another weekend in the confines of my flat would be made bearable, possibly even pleasurable. However, that has been tempered by the discovery that if I want the limited edition HW CD I am expected to cut up the booklet of my newly acquired CDs, along with 8 other yet to be released/purchased CDs. Hmmm? As an avid HW fan, I'm not in the habit of desecrating their releases, so I'll just go back to the record shop, spend another 32 quid, buy another 2 copies and keep the intact versions in my collection. Makes sense to me. Morals, ethics, this is Britain99. We don't need them. NNotP HW for a long, long time. Blessings and peace from Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground E-zine, freezine and online Record Store at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van Vliet alternate url: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Fri Dec 3 07:05:43 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Zeitgeist) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 12:05:43 +0000 Subject: OFF: Just for fun Message-ID: Well in 'the cliches are us, let's jump on the bandwagon' mode of many a starving musician I was in; 1979-1980 a NWOBHM inspired band called Merlin (complete with studded wristbands) 1981-1983 a NWOBPR inspired band called Pantheon (complete with kaftan and patchouli) 1985-1988 a glam/trash inspired band called Bombay Male (complete with perm. the horror!) But my favourite was when we also used to do weddings and birthdays as The Shamrockandrollband. Worked a treat with my fellow Catholics:-) SAH Blessings and peace from Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground E-zine, freezine and online Record Store at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van Vliet alternate url: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Fri Dec 3 07:33:54 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Zeitgeist) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 12:33:54 +0000 Subject: HW: Another Epoch Review Message-ID: Another Epoch review, this time in the Nov/Dec issue of Powerplay magazine www.powerplaymagazine.co.uk They have a convoluted review process which breaks down into 4 categories; Sound Songs Mainstream Genre Each is marked out of 10, and Epoch received 6/8/4/8 which seems reasonable enough. SAH Blessings and peace from Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground E-zine, freezine and online Record Store at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van Vliet alternate url: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 3 06:36:22 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 07:36:22 EDT Subject: HW: HW vs Voiceprint - who are the bastards In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19991203114833.00695c0c@pop3.connectfree.co.uk> Message-ID: On 3 Dec 99 at 11:48, Zeitgeist wrote: > This has probably been discussed already, but I have a spleen that needs > venting. > Great! Venting is always welcome here! > As one of Mr Blairs > NewDealNoJobBenefit?Don'tBeStupidYou'veOnlyPaidNationalInsuranceForEighteenY > ears job seekers (the unemployed as was), Hey, they must've cloned the redoubtable Mr Blair, and sent one of the copies over here. His name's George W. Bush, a guy who thinks he should be president, yet couldn't name the leaders of various world trouble spots when asked by a reporter recently! > So I handed over 32 pound coins, received my CDs and went off home with a > smile on my face, secure in the knowledge that another weekend in the > confines of my flat would be made bearable, possibly even pleasurable. > > However, that has been tempered by the discovery that if I want the limited > edition HW CD I am expected to cut up the booklet of my newly acquired CDs, > along with 8 other yet to be released/purchased CDs. Hmmm? > What the fuck? You have to cut out some kind of coupon, like at the grocery? Jeezuz! > As an avid HW fan, I'm not in the habit of desecrating their releases, so > I'll just go back to the record shop, spend another 32 quid, buy another 2 > copies and keep the intact versions in my collection. > > Makes sense to me. > > Morals, ethics, this is Britain99. We don't need them. > Right, but have them you shall, because the Right wing knows better than we do... theo From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Dec 3 08:12:30 1999 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 05:12:30 PST Subject: OFF: Just for fun Message-ID: Bands I've gigged with: ---The Cheese Junkies (they lasted 7 years, too!) ---Dave D and the Bogus Doughnuts (two gigs, ten years apart) ---Share Your Limbs ---Ernie Slingback and the Sweep-overs ---The Aryan History of Europe (this only worked 'cos I was the only white guy in the band) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Dec 3 08:44:35 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:44:35 -0000 Subject: OFF: Just for fun In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19991203120543.006a716c@pop3.connectfree.co.uk> Message-ID: > > Well in 'the cliches are us, let's jump on the bandwagon' mode of many a > starving musician I was in; > > 1979-1980 a NWOBHM inspired band called Merlin (complete with studded > wristbands) > 1981-1983 a NWOBPR inspired band called Pantheon (complete with kaftan and > patchouli) > 1985-1988 a glam/trash inspired band called Bombay Male (complete with > perm. the horror!) So where are the pictures then???? :) -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From vincentr at COGNOS.COM Fri Dec 3 09:03:14 1999 From: vincentr at COGNOS.COM (Rob Vincent) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:03:14 -0500 Subject: OFF: Just for fun In-Reply-To: <005701bf3d16$0199e160$a8c0a8c0@alien8.co.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, Kevin Perry wrote: > Very Tappish indeed :-) And why not... > > Previous band names (OK, from school!) included Metagalactic Llamas at the > Edge of Time (a nod to Jeff Minter) and Rotating Edgar and his Nuclear > WOmbats (no, I don't know what this means either) - the name we actually > ended up with there is too embarrassing to repeat...but we did do covers of > QS&C and Silver Machine. > Uncle Alvin's Messy Sandwich. > > C'mon, how could you ignore the most obvious ones?...'Free Beer' and 'Free > Sex'. > > > > Keith H. (FAA) > There actually was a band named Free Beer. Rainmaker Elijah Snow : It's a strange world Jakita Wagner : Let's keep it that way Planetary #1 From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 3 09:29:34 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:29:34 GMT Subject: OFF: The Clones of Tony Blair In-Reply-To: Ted Jackson jr. s2h2's message of Fri, 3 Dec 1999 07:36:22 EDT Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 writes: > > As one of Mr Blairs > > NewDealNoJobBenefit?Don'tBeStupidYou'veOnlyPaidNationalInsuranceForEighteenY > > ears job seekers (the unemployed as was), > Hey, they must've cloned the redoubtable Mr Blair, and sent one of the > copies over here. His name's George W. Bush, a guy who thinks he > should be president, yet couldn't name the leaders of various world > trouble spots when asked by a reporter recently! A good memory doesn't seem to be a requirement for the job. Reagan couldn't remember doing a deal with Iranian terrorists. Bush Senior couldn't remember being at meetings concerning same. The current President couldn't remember sex with Monica Lewinsky or Juanita Broaddrick when asked in Court although actual evidence did help jog his memory later. Perhaps something in the Oral Office is causing Alzheimers? Seems to me that the less the new guy knows, the less he'll forget... > theo FoFP From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 3 09:00:32 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:00:32 EDT Subject: OFF: The Clones of Tony Blair[no BOC/HW] In-Reply-To: <199912031429.OAA18024@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 3 Dec 99 at 14:29, M Holmes wrote: > > A good memory doesn't seem to be a requirement for the job. Reagan > couldn't remember doing a deal with Iranian terrorists. Bush Senior > couldn't remember being at meetings concerning same. The current > President couldn't remember sex with Monica Lewinsky or Juanita > Broaddrick when asked in Court although actual evidence did help jog his > memory later. > > Perhaps something in the Oral Office is causing Alzheimers? Seems to me > that the less the new guy knows, the less he'll forget... > Then, I reckon, Bush should be the man for the job! But Mr. Bush is pretty good at forgetting too. He's already forgotten that he used to be a drunk just a couple years ago. He wants everyone to forget he was busted for coke a while back, and he wants everyone to forget that his daddy got his ass out of going to Vietnam. Not that I think going to Vietnam was a great thing--far from it, I just wish he'd have the guts to admit he got out of it. Remember, he's a blood 'n' guts republican, and being in the war is something a GOPer would normally brag about. Funny thing is, his democrat rival, Al Gore, WAS is Vietnam, albeit as a sort of Private Joker. Who knows what makes people vote here. Hell, we've got a governor who used to be a wrestler! theo From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 3 10:14:56 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:14:56 GMT Subject: OFF: The Clones of Tony Blair[no BOC/HW] In-Reply-To: Ted Jackson jr. s2h2's message of Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:00:32 EDT Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 writes: > > Perhaps something in the Oral Office is causing Alzheimers? Seems to me > > that the less the new guy knows, the less he'll forget... > > > Then, I reckon, Bush should be the man for the job! > But Mr. Bush is pretty good at forgetting too. He's already > forgotten that he used to be a drunk just a couple years ago. He > wants everyone to forget he was busted for coke a while back, and he > wants everyone to forget that his daddy got his ass out of going to > Vietnam. Not that I think going to Vietnam was a great thing--far > from it, I just wish he'd have the guts to admit he got out of it. > Remember, he's a blood 'n' guts republican, and being in the war is > something a GOPer would normally brag about. Funny thing is, his > democrat rival, Al Gore, WAS is Vietnam, albeit as a sort of Private > Joker. Who knows what makes people vote here. Hell, we've got a > governor who used to be a wrestler! At least Jesse Ventura seems partway libertarian on social issues. If I were there I'd evote for him or John McCain, who certainly was in Vietnam and wasn't having a fun time as a POW. Anyone who refuses to leave a Vietcong prison camp unless they release all the guys in there before he was definiteley has the sort of stubborn streak that I admire. > theo FoFP From james.hogard at JUNO.COM Fri Dec 3 10:07:59 1999 From: james.hogard at JUNO.COM (James A Hogard) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:07:59 -0600 Subject: OFF: Just for fun Message-ID: 1) For some (possibly masochistic) reason, I still labor under the band name Sir Alfred IV and the Poison Nectar Group. 2) George Bernard Shaw's drama _Closed for Remodeling_ had attendance problems in its initial run. Hogard From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 3 09:26:46 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:26:46 EDT Subject: OFF: The Clones of Tony Blair[no BOC/HW] In-Reply-To: <199912031514.PAA01685@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 3 Dec 99 at 15:14, M Holmes wrote: > At least Jesse Ventura seems partway libertarian on social issues. If I > were there I'd evote for him or John McCain, who certainly was in > Vietnam and wasn't having a fun time as a POW. > Well, Jesse's definitely pro-gun. And, though he's a buffoon, I admire him for being, to my knowledge, the only politician to ever show blatant disrespect for organized religion. He said that religion is a crutch for weak-minded people! Most pols act as though they live in a church, even though they have about as much regard for it as Jesse... theo From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Dec 3 10:36:06 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:36:06 -0000 Subject: OFF: The Clones of Tony Blair[no BOC/HW] In-Reply-To: <67ACEC16DA1@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: One of St Tony's predecessors as Labour leader, Neil Kinnock, can be found on the Celebrity Atheist website, http://www.primenet.com/~lippard/atheistcelebs/ Tone, otoh, seems to think he's an Old Testament prophet - "and I say unto you," etc - when he's not trying to be Richard the Lionheart, that is - and does the conspicuous religion thing. Then again he's the only politician to make the front page for having sex with his wife. -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 > Sent: 03 December 1999 14:27 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: OFF: The Clones of Tony Blair[no BOC/HW] > > > On 3 Dec 99 at 15:14, M Holmes wrote: > > > > At least Jesse Ventura seems partway libertarian on social issues. If I > > were there I'd evote for him or John McCain, who certainly was in > > Vietnam and wasn't having a fun time as a POW. > > > Well, Jesse's definitely pro-gun. And, though he's a buffoon, I > admire him for being, to my knowledge, the only politician to ever > show blatant disrespect for organized religion. He said that > religion is a crutch for weak-minded people! Most pols act as though > they live in a church, even though they have about as much regard for > it as Jesse... > > theo > From peter at FAIRFIELD.KAROO.CO.UK Fri Dec 3 10:42:25 1999 From: peter at FAIRFIELD.KAROO.CO.UK (Peter Greendale) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:42:25 +0000 Subject: BOC: Bad Channels Message-ID: Whilst out Christmas shopping today and therefore taking a minute to check out the racks at Virgin...............New in and with a different cover .... 'Bad Channels'. The words 'Blue Oyster Cult' are perhaps more prominantly displayed on this, than on the origional version. I have seen this re issue described as a 2cd in the UK press, but this looked like a single CD to me. Hardly an essential buy , but for those completists who are still looking........... look no further. Peter Greendale Hull UK From mordru at FLITE.NET Fri Dec 3 10:38:33 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:38:33 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Clones of Tony Blair[no BOC/HW] Message-ID: >On 3 Dec 99 at 15:14, M Holmes wrote: > > >> At least Jesse Ventura seems partway libertarian on social issues. If I >> were there I'd evote for him or John McCain, who certainly was in >> Vietnam and wasn't having a fun time as a POW. >> >Well, Jesse's definitely pro-gun. And, though he's a buffoon, I >admire him for being, to my knowledge, the only politician to ever >show blatant disrespect for organized religion. He said that >religion is a crutch for weak-minded people! Most pols act as though >they live in a church, even though they have about as much regard for >it as Jesse... Yep. And his popularity rating in polls dropped like 15% right after that. He surprised me, there may be more to him than I originally thought. "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random =============== Andrew Apold From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Fri Dec 3 10:36:10 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:36:10 -0500 Subject: OFF: Just for fun Message-ID: Dr. Flame-Retardent and his Ceosote Caravan O.K. I made that one up. > -----Original Message----- > From: James A Hogard [SMTP:james.hogard at JUNO.COM] > Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 10:08 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: OFF: Just for fun > > 1) For some (possibly masochistic) reason, I still labor under the > band name Sir Alfred IV and the Poison Nectar Group. > > 2) George Bernard Shaw's drama _Closed for Remodeling_ had attendance > problems in its initial run. > > > Hogard From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Dec 3 10:48:33 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 10:48:33 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Clones of Tony Blair[no BOC/HW] Message-ID: Mike writes... >At least Jesse Ventura seems partway libertarian on social issues. If I >were there I'd evote for him or John McCain, who certainly was in ^^^^^ >Vietnam and wasn't having a fun time as a POW. You mean they allow that now?? Man, are we ever going to need to leave the house in the future? Keith H. (FAA) From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Dec 3 11:23:00 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:23:00 -0500 Subject: BOC Covers In-Reply-To: <38447149.BD2F1BA3@utarlg.uta.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Thomas Rickert wrote: => Does anyone know of any good BOC covers out there? I've heard => Metallica's take on *Astronomy*, and it's ok, though not stellar (sorry, => couldn't resist the pun...). I've also heard Fu Manchu's ultra heavy => cover of *Godzilla*. Slowed down and fuzzed out--it's a trip! I really => like it, at any rate... => => What do the rest of you think of these cover versions, and what others => are out there (that are at least somewhat contemporary)... I have a cassette of moe.'s 1998 Halloween show in which they do a cover of "(Don't Fear) The Reaper." Cheers, Paul. NP: Gov't Mule, _Live...With a Little Help From Our Friends: Collector's Edition_ (Capricorn must've put some kind of weird glue on these discs because I just can't seem to get them out of the CD player nowadays!) ;-) e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 3 13:10:43 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 18:10:43 GMT Subject: OFF: censorship hits home Message-ID: My report of the "Pornfire" in Edinburgh, 2nd December 1999: A Bonfire of Inanities. Thursday 2nd December 5.30pm. Three of us met in the Guildford Arms near Calton Hill where at 7pm the Scottish Women Against Pornography planned to burn pornography. This "Pornfire" was to follow another protest by various groups against violence against women which would be accompanied by Edinburgh Women's Drumming Group along Princes Street as part of Sixteen Days of Action. This had all been promoted by Edinburgh City Council Women's Committee using taxpayer funds. On a very cold, wet and windy night, we were cheered by the excellent ales available and by the publication of our letter, signed by various worthies, in the Glasgow Herald. The Evening News had also interviewed author Iain Banks, a signatory to our letter, as well as Councillor Lesley Hinds of the City Council Women's Committee who had conceded that they'd given 1500 Pounds, on behalf of Edinburgh taxpayers, to the campaign. Councillor Hinds also informed the News that SWaP had bought some magazines "to see what they were like" and were "quite shocked" into deciding to hold a public burning. The Evening News had also published an editorial condemning book burning as well as a "disgraceful and shameful misuse of public money". In accordance with plans from a prior meeting, I'd constructed a "guy" for the bonfire dressed as a witch and carrying a broomstick with a placard quoting Heine's "Where they first burn books, they will burn people in the end". Our plan was to add this to the "Pornfire" by way of dramatic illustration of the sentiment behind the quote. Witches have been burned in Scotland as recently as 1722, in what was essentially a publicly funded campaign of violence against women. Politicians are fickle at best and encouraging them to fund any form of witch hunt must be regarded as a hostage to fortune. Timing however was tricky. We wanted to avoid spiking in any way the laudable Campaign Against Violence Against Women. Our letter had condemned violence against anyone. We took issue only with the principle of burning books and promoting censorship at public expense. We therefore avoided the main procession and made our way up Calton Hill to prepare for the "Pornfire", acquiring three more of our group en route. On completing assembly of our witch, we discovered that the procession was headed around Calton Hill. Worried that they might have changed plans, we traded mobile phone numbers and sent one of our number to report. Reception problems scuppered this plan but it became obvious that speeches had begun by the road at the bottom of Calton Hill. This spot had become somewhat accustomed to fires in recent years, as the place of protest of those demanding a Scottish Parliament, with accompanying braziers to ward off the cold. As a result we missed the speeches. When we got there, Karen Hetherington carrying our witch, there were around 40 people present, including those from the Edinburgh Drummers, as well as a policeman and policewoman. It is unfortunately difficult to establish how many were there to drum, how many to protest against violence, and how many to promote censorship. I noted that one chap appeared to be throwing pieces of cardboard, with printed sheets attached, onto a fire contained in an oildrum brazier. I enquired of the Police whether any pornography had in fact been burned. They thought not. They asked if we might be "the opposition" and I confirmed this. A quick conference confirmed that we all saw this as very low key and wedecided to spare the witch, not least because it wouldn't fit entirely well into the brazier. Instead we decided to simply photograph it, with the placard, in front of the fire. I asked the Police if this might be in order and they chuckled, commenting on the British and polite demonstrations. We took a few photos and this interested someone with much better equipment who declared himself from the Evening News. He took a few photographs and then called over his colleague, who interviewed Karen and myself. We'd decided that the censorship issue would best be tackled by Karen, lest I be accused of being part of The Patriarchal Conspiracy. Karen answered queries on the censorship and feminist issues and I confined myself to protesting waste of taxpayer monies and suggesting that these might have been better spent on a night patrol on The Meadows, which would directly prevent violence. Following this an important issue was getting warm and so I moved over to the fire. I chatted to the chap there who'd been putting stuff onto the fire and asked for a copy. He kidly obliged from a folder in his bag. This was an A4 sheet covered apparently with concrete poetry containing the words "fuck shit piss cunt.....". He at this point asked who I was and my interest and, once I'd told him that I'd been a signatory to the letter, he grabbed back the A4 sheet declaring that I wasn't having it. I said that I was sorry he felt that way. He was joined by three women and they proceeded to berate me for calling them nazis and making up stories about them. I pointed out that our letter had mentioned "bookburnings in Berlin" and that in Europe at least, anyone burning books was going to invite a link with such a historical precedent. I said that we were similarly annoyed at Councillor Hinds slyly asking in the Evening News article, whether Iain Banks thought it "perfectly acceptable to have child pornography" but that we sadly accepted that such accusations seemed inevitably to occur in anti-censorship campaigns. They stated that they'd taken no Council cash but appeared to concede that the Council had funded promotion of their "Pornfire". They also stated that they had never had any intention of burning pornography, something that's certainly at odds with Councillor Hinds' statement. They claimed that if we'd only contacted them directly they could have told us this. I suggested we swap numbers and that perhaps we might jointly organise a public debate. They forcefully declined and stated that they wouldn't debate with those unable "to do proper research". I again stated that I was sorry they felt that way and that they could air such grievances were they to agree to a public debate, but they again demurred. I asked why, since they claimed to have had no intention to burn pornography, they'd called the even a "Pornfire" instead of the more usual word, but this produced only apparent exasperation. Since they seemed to be saying that we had in fact got their plans and position entirely wrong I decided to enquire whether they did in fact support consenting adults right to appear in and to view pornography portraying consenting adults. They confirmed that they did not and proceeded to accuse me of supporting child pornography. I stated firmly that since no consent could be obtained for such we supported a ban as much as they did. They then accused me of supporting women being raped. I pointed out that rape in fact also meant no consent and that we therefore would also be in the same camp as they were on the issue. They made it clear they were very concerned about Linda Lovelace. She was the star of a film "Deep Throat" which I hadn't seen, and indeed couldn't have since I would have been too young to be admitted even if it had shown at our local cinema during its brief spell of fame. I gather that Lovelace later claimed that she'd been forced into making the film, presumably turning the celluloid into documentary evidence of a rape. Before I could suggest that it be submitted to the Police as such, they asked me "what about asian babes, did they consent?". I was, I admit, flummoxed, and attempting to work out what special difficulties with consent asian adults might have, when I was yanked away by the others accompanying declarations of cold feet and necessity for further refreshment. I left with the strong impression that Scottish Women (and man) against Pornography were quite angry towards us. Discussion over further ale at The Southsider provided the intelligence that one of us had obtained a contact number for SWaP and that despite my belief that the Heine quote on the placard would make our use of the witch entirely clear, some of them had thought we were accusing them of being witches - something which the pagan in our group found most amusing. I wondered later if the protest had been held by the roadside, instead of Calton Hill, because the Council had withdrawn permission as a result of Press interest. Such might also have provoked a change of mind concerning flammable materials. Today (3rd) I spoke to author Ken MacLeod concerning an article he's been asked to produce on the issue for The Sunday Herald. The Evening News also ran a page 3 piece declaring the "Dirty protest" a "farce" stating that we'd "hijacked: their protest - a somewhat dramatic description of a "confrontation" that produced merely a few heated words. They quoted Karen hoping that "they had second thoughts about burning books and realised that stooping to the techniques used by oppressors on those they oppress is wrong" and my expression of concern at the City Council wasting taxpayers money. The News article also pointed out that Conservative Highlands and Islands Member of the Scottish Parliament, Jamie McGrigor, was the only male present at the women's demonstration, and therefore presumably the chap throwing rude words onto the fire and arguing with me. The editorial hoped that "the Council have learned a lesson. Wacky minority, misguided demonstrations do not deserve public money." In the end I'm not sure that burning mere words is any better than burning books when the former is accompanied by all the trappings of the latter. If this was Scottish Women against Pornography's debut event then hopefully we made it trial by fire. -- An inflammatory Friend of Fernando Poo -- "Where they first burn books, they will burn people in the end." -- Heinrich Heine From timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Dec 3 13:59:54 1999 From: timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Tim Stephenson) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 18:59:54 -0000 Subject: OFF: Eno and Hawk connections Message-ID: >_Here Come the Warm Jets I have this album. Picked it up for 50p a few years ago. It hasnt got a cover though! So I know nothing about musicians or other info. Someone fill me in on some details? T np - Porcupine Tree, Coma Divine From sprawl at STARPOWER.NET Fri Dec 3 14:55:30 1999 From: sprawl at STARPOWER.NET (Sprawl) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:55:30 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Clones of Tony Blair[no BOC/HW] Message-ID: Yeah, he's a proven warrior with CONVICTION. None too bright maybe, but the first politician to ever earn a tip of the hat from me. (in my adult life-time, that is.) The polls are meaningless, IMO, but they would not have been so dramatic (only 15%?) if his own allies (as well as his enemies,) hadn't been so quick to start the fire under the stake. Nothing against people and their various faiths, but the US agreed to a seperation of church and state, and 200+ years later- we're still waiting for it. RJ >>On 3 Dec 99 at 15:14, M Holmes wrote: >> >> >>> At least Jesse Ventura seems partway libertarian on social issues. If I >>> were there I'd evote for him or John McCain, who certainly was in >>> Vietnam and wasn't having a fun time as a POW. >>> >>Well, Jesse's definitely pro-gun. And, though he's a buffoon, I >>admire him for being, to my knowledge, the only politician to ever >>show blatant disrespect for organized religion. He said that >>religion is a crutch for weak-minded people! Most pols act as though >>they live in a church, even though they have about as much regard for >>it as Jesse... > >Yep. And his popularity rating in polls dropped like 15% right after >that. He surprised me, there may be more to him than I originally >thought. > >"I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random >=============== >Andrew Apold From DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM Fri Dec 3 14:53:58 1999 From: DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM (Ductor, Dan [NEUUS]) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:53:58 -0500 Subject: Eno and Hawk connections Message-ID: I know that Brian Eno's official site has lots of information. I do know that Simon King, Paul Rudolph, Robert Fripp, Andy McKay (Roxy Music) are on it. I've always felt that it sounds similar to Robert Calvert's early solo albums. Probably because Eno was involved in them. I did read an interview once with Eno where he stated that her purposely wanted musicians on his albums (especially the early albums) who came from different areas. IE: space rock, jazz etc.. -----Original Message----- From: Tim Stephenson [SMTP:timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK] Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 11:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: OFF: Eno and Hawk connections >_Here Come the Warm Jets I have this album. Picked it up for 50p a few years ago. It hasnt got a cover though! So I know nothing about musicians or other info. Someone fill me in on some details? T np - Porcupine Tree, Coma Divine From sprawl at STARPOWER.NET Fri Dec 3 15:02:19 1999 From: sprawl at STARPOWER.NET (Sprawl) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:02:19 -0500 Subject: HW: HW vs Voiceprint - who are the bastards Message-ID: Try a Xerox- err.. photocopier. RJ -----Original Message----- From: Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Friday, December 03, 1999 7:47 AM Subject: Re: HW: HW vs Voiceprint - who are the bastards On 3 Dec 99 at 11:48, Zeitgeist wrote: > This has probably been discussed already, but I have a spleen that needs > venting. > Great! Venting is always welcome here! > As one of Mr Blairs > NewDealNoJobBenefit?Don'tBeStupidYou'veOnlyPaidNationalInsuranceForEighteenY > ears job seekers (the unemployed as was), Hey, they must've cloned the redoubtable Mr Blair, and sent one of the copies over here. His name's George W. Bush, a guy who thinks he should be president, yet couldn't name the leaders of various world trouble spots when asked by a reporter recently! > So I handed over 32 pound coins, received my CDs and went off home with a > smile on my face, secure in the knowledge that another weekend in the > confines of my flat would be made bearable, possibly even pleasurable. > > However, that has been tempered by the discovery that if I want the limited > edition HW CD I am expected to cut up the booklet of my newly acquired CDs, > along with 8 other yet to be released/purchased CDs. Hmmm? > What the fuck? You have to cut out some kind of coupon, like at the grocery? Jeezuz! > As an avid HW fan, I'm not in the habit of desecrating their releases, so > I'll just go back to the record shop, spend another 32 quid, buy another 2 > copies and keep the intact versions in my collection. > > Makes sense to me. > > Morals, ethics, this is Britain99. We don't need them. > Right, but have them you shall, because the Right wing knows better than we do... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 3 14:22:58 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:22:58 EDT Subject: OFF: The Clones of Tony Blair[no BOC/HW] In-Reply-To: <002a01bf3dc8$5b395220$0588a4d8@sprawl> Message-ID: On 3 Dec 99 at 14:55, Sprawl wrote: > Yeah, he's a proven warrior with CONVICTION. None too bright maybe, but the > first > politician to ever earn a tip of the hat from me. (in my adult life-time, > that is.) > Yeah, it took guts to say it. Too bad he's been backpedaling ever since--like a politician trying to look to reelection... > The polls are meaningless, IMO, but they would not have been so dramatic > (only 15%?) > if his own allies (as well as his enemies,) hadn't been so quick to start > the fire under the > stake. Well, being a New Yorker, my opinion is worthless to a Minnesotan [and probably just about everyone else in this world!] but I can't call myself a supporter of his, nor would I vote for him if I lived up there. He's really just a bag of gas, I'm afraid... > > > Nothing against people and their various faiths, but the US agreed to a > seperation of > church and state, and 200+ years later- we're still waiting for it. > > Great quote! Did you coin it? theo From cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET Fri Dec 3 15:36:12 1999 From: cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:36:12 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Clones of Tony Blair[no BOC/HW] In-Reply-To: <67FBE7A7A7D@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: Hate to say it guys but Blair is a Clinton clone. Bush is not a Blair clone. Just call as I see em. Mikey From lwitt1 at USWEST.NET Fri Dec 3 15:51:47 1999 From: lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:51:47 -0600 Subject: OFF: The Clones of Tony Blair[no BOC/HW] Message-ID: > Yeah, it took guts to say it. Too bad he's been backpedaling ever > since--like a politician trying to look to reelection... > Well he went so far as to say his wife was weak minded because she goes to church. This happened when barbra walters tried to pin him down. What more do you want? He said it and stood by it, at the expense of his wife. I'm not saying it's great he called his wife weak minded, but he stood by what he said no matter what. Yes I've also heard him sugar coat it though, saying it's a good thing for some people and there is nothing wrong with it, etc. > He's really just a bag of gas, I'm afraid... > I don't think he's that bad. I'm much happier with him than a stock politician who will tell me what the polls tell him to tell me. Since the list is know open for political debate; remember to get out there and support Pat Buchanon! From cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET Fri Dec 3 16:08:00 1999 From: cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:08:00 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Clones of Tony Blair[no BOC/HW] In-Reply-To: <38482D63.3C0646A1@uswest.net> Message-ID: Pat Buchanan?? Can I have some of that stuff you are smoking?? :) Unless of course we realize that a vote for Pat is a vote torn from the GWB camp. Ok yea go Pat. Mikey ---SNIP---- I don't think he's that bad. I'm much happier with him than a stock politician who will tell me what the polls tell him to tell me. Since the list is know open for political debate; remember to get out there and support Pat Buchanon! From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Dec 3 16:10:05 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:10:05 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Clones of Tony Blair[no BOC/HW] In-Reply-To: <38482D63.3C0646A1@uswest.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Dec 1999, Dan Witt wrote: => Since the list is know open for political debate Some would politely disagree with that statement. The only "political debate" I'd "welcome" on here would be along the lines of "Who would be the better master of the universe: Lemmy or The Great Sun Jester?" ;-) Cheers, Paul "tryin' to keep my spirits up and my mailbox down" (Temp. Saint:) e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Fri Dec 3 16:59:40 1999 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:59:40 -0600 Subject: HW: CD finds Message-ID: I can't remember if these have come up before, but I found a couple of CDs that might be of interest. Cleopatra has a compilation called "The Darkest Hour - A Collection of Gothic & Industrial Cover Versions" (CLP0029-2). It contains the Alien Sex Fiend cover of "Silver Machine". Overall, the CD is pretty good if you like that sort of thing. The label "think progressive" put out a CD "Wir sind Kinder der Revolte Vol. 1 - Open Air Burg Herzberg" (TPCD 1.807.030). It is a collection of songs from the Herzberg Festival between 1995 and 1997. It contains Hawkwind doing "Love in Space". I think it is from 21 July, 1996. I haven't finished listening to the CD, but LiS is pretty good if you like that sort of thing. :-) Frank ObAnnoyance: Having 5 (count 'em: 5) system crashes on my home computer over the last several months, hopelessly squashing any plans to revamp the Golden Void site any time soon. I refuse to let the *&#^$% system get the better of me, though. ObServation: Bill Gates is the antichrist. -- Warning on a Japanese food processor: Not to be used for the other use ============================================================ Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 From flossbac at NLCI.COM Fri Dec 3 17:16:48 1999 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 17:16:48 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Clones of Tony Blair[no BOC/HW] Message-ID: > Since the list is know open for political debate; remember to get out > there and support Pat Buchanon! Yikes! Now there's a threat to personal freedoms! John Majka From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Dec 3 17:20:42 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:20:42 -0800 Subject: HW: CD finds Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:59:40 -0600, Frank Weil wrote: >I can't remember if these have come up before, but I found a >couple of CDs that might be of interest. > >The label "think progressive" put out a CD "Wir sind Kinder der >Revolte Vol. 1 - Open Air Burg Herzberg" (TPCD 1.807.030). It is >a collection of songs from the Herzberg Festival between 1995 and 1997. >It contains Hawkwind doing "Love in Space". I think it is from 21 July, >1996. I haven't finished listening to the CD, but LiS is pretty good >if you like that sort of thing. :-) The Faust track on this disc is superb. Worth picking up for that alone IMO (and essential, if you're already a Faust fan). The whole disc is pretty good overall, but if you already have the 'Love in Space' or the Gong '25th Anniversary' live double-CD's, those render the HW & Gong tracks on the Herzberg CD thoroughly redundant (they're not *identical* recordings, but very very similar). -Doug ceres at sirius.com From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Dec 3 17:53:48 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 22:53:48 -0000 Subject: HW: HW vs Voiceprint - who are the bastards Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Zeitgeist To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 03 December 1999 12:30 Subject: HW: HW vs Voiceprint - who are the bastards >However, that has been tempered by the discovery that if I want the limited >edition HW CD I am expected to cut up the booklet of my newly acquired CDs, >along with 8 other yet to be released/purchased CDs. Hmmm? > >As an avid HW fan, I'm not in the habit of desecrating their releases, so >I'll just go back to the record shop, spend another 32 quid, buy another 2 >copies and keep the intact versions in my collection. > >Makes sense to me. You could photocopy it (5p is all it costs) if that is permitted by the powers that be in the record industry. Don't think I'm going to buy the Glastonbury CD, most comments I've heard seem to indicate that the quality is bad. I'm not going to blow hard earned cash on poor quality live releases; there's so much good stuff being released and re-released by so many bands that to waste hard earned cash on inferior material is not an option. Live 82 is good but unfortunately not the complete gig. Live 79 I can't wait to hear. Dave From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Dec 3 20:29:25 1999 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 20:29:25 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Clones of Tony Blair[no BOC/HW] In-Reply-To: ; from paul@GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU on Fri, Dec 03, 1999 at 04:10:05PM -0500 Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 03, 1999 at 04:10:05PM -0500, Paul Mather wrote: > The only "political debate" I'd "welcome" on here would be along the > lines of "Who would be the better master of the universe: Lemmy or The > Great Sun Jester?" ;-) Lemmy for Premier! I'd vote for him. Could hardly be worse than Mike Harris... -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / If Microsoft made Lego, they'd make it with square pips. From JOHN.GRAY at PRODIGY.NET Fri Dec 3 22:17:07 1999 From: JOHN.GRAY at PRODIGY.NET (JOHN M GRAY) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 19:17:07 -0800 Subject: OFF: Just for fun Message-ID: When I was attending U of New Mexico in the early 90's there was a local band called Gonorrhea Milkshake. I never got a chance to see them but I always thought their name ruled. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Habiby To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 1:22 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Just for fun > True story: > > My best friends roommate in college was in a band called Happy Cancer. They > were quite good actually. Very tight fusion ala John McLaughlin or Brand X. > Anyway they tried to go "public" in the LA market (not Louisiana) and > changed their name to Kafka's Breakfast. > > Mikey > > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Eric Siegerman > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 4:04 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: OFF: Just for fun > > > On Thu, Dec 02, 1999 at 03:34:56PM -0500, Brian Halligan wrote: > > TOP TEN BAND NAMES THAT REALLY PISS OFF CLUB OWNERS > > This week only... > > 11. The World Trade Organization > > -- > > | | /\ > |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com > | | / > If Microsoft made Lego, they'd make it with square pips. From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Fri Dec 3 22:43:58 1999 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 21:43:58 -0600 Subject: OFF: L/P Album Frames Message-ID: Think most of us have some cool vinyl to display . . . These are such a great idea! m. L/P ALBUM FRAME Perfectly sized to display entire album including record. Crafted of steel with glass facing. Black (09) or chrome (93). Made in USA. 99721QH 12.95 Get 'em at: Bloomingdales's by mail 1-800-777-0000 24 hours a day Pictures here: http://claim.to/lpframe.html Karen -- "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." - Frank Zappa From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Dec 3 04:42:29 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 01:42:29 -0800 Subject: OFF: Eno and Hawk connections Message-ID: Here's the lowdown on 3 out of the 4 Brian Eno albums that have Hawkwind members Paul Rudolph and Simon King on them: ------------------------- 'Here Come the Warm Jets' recorded Sept 1973 at Majestic Studios/London (about a year[?] after Rudolph quit Pink Fairies) 3) "Baby's On Fire" Eno - vocals, keys, gtr, synth (of Roxy Music, 801, Robert Calvert, producer, etc.) Robert Fripp - guitar (of King Crimson, etc.) Paul Rudolph - guitar, bass (after Deviants, Twink, Pink Fairies; before Calvert, Hawkwind) John Wetton - bass (of King Crimson, etc. etc.) Simon King - drums (of Hawkwind, Calvert, Opal Butterfly, Mike Moorcock, Steve Swindells) 5) "Driving Me Backwards" Eno - vocals, keys, gtr, synth Robert Fripp - guitar Paul Rudolph - bass John Wetton - bass Simon King - drums 10) "Here Come The Warm Jets" Eno - vocals, keys, gtr, synth Paul Rudolph - guitar, bass Simon King - drums 1) "Needles in the Camel's Eye" Eno - vocals, keys, gtr, synth Phil Manzanera - guitar (of Roxy Music, 801, etc.) Chris Spedding - guitar (of Sharks, Nucleus, etc. etc. etc. etc.) Bill MacCormick - bass (of 801, etc.) Simon King - drums 6) "On Some Faraway Beach" Eno - vocals, keys, gtr, synth Andy Mackay - keyboards (sax for Roxy Music, etc.) Busta Cherry Jones - bass (of Sharks, later Talking Heads, etc.) Simon King - drums Sweetfeed - backing vocals 7) "Blank Frank" Eno - vocals, keys, gtr, synth Robert Fripp - guitar Nick Kool and the Koolaids - keyboards Bill MacCormick - bass Simon King - drums Sweetfeed - backing vocals --------------------- 'Another Green World' recorded July/August 1975 at Island Studios/London (shortly after Rudolph joined Hawkwind, and after both Calvert albums) 1) "Sky Saw" Eno - voices, Snake guitar, digital guitar Percy Jones - fretless bass (of Brand X, etc.) Paul Rudolph - anchor bass Rod Melvin - Rhodes piano (of Ian Dury w/Kilburn & the High Roads) John Cale - viola section (of Velvet Underground, producer, etc.) Phil Collins - drums (of Brand X, Genesis, etc.) 6) "I'll Come Running" Eno - voices, castanet guitars, chord piano, synth, synthetic percussion Robert Fripp - restrained lead guitar Paul Rudolph - bass, snare drums, bass guitar, assistant castanet guitars Rod Melvin - lead piano 12) "Zaniwul Lava" Eno - grand piano, synth, organ, tape Paul Rudolph - guitar Rod Melvin - Rhodes piano Percy Jones - fretless bass Phil Collins - percussion -------------------------- 'Before and After Science' recorded 1977 at Basking Street/London & Conny's/near Cologne (shortly after Rudolph was kicked out of Hawkwind) 1) "No One Receiving" Eno - voices, synth, gtr, synthesizer percussion, piano Paul Rudolph - bass, rhythm guitar Percy Jones - fretless bass Phil Collins - drums Rhett Davies - agong-gong and stick (engineer, producer) 2) "Backwater" Eno - voices, rhythm guitar, synthesized brass, piano Paul Rudolph - bass Jaki Liebezeit - drums (of Can) 5) "King's Lead Hat" Eno - voices, metallics, rhythm guitars, piano solo Phil Manzanera - rhythm guitar Robert Fripp - guitar solo Paul Rudolph - bass Andy Fraser - drums (???bassist from Free, Sharks, etc.) 6) "Here He Comes" Eno - voices, Yamaha CS-80, Moog, piano Phil Manzanera - guitars Paul Rudolph - basses Dave Mattacks - drums (of Fairport Convention, Kilburn & the High Roads, etc.) 7) "Julie With ..." Eno - voices, bell, Minimoog, CS-80, EMS Synthi AKS, piano, guitar Paul Rudolph - bass, harmonic bass ------------ Paul Rudolph also appears (along with Fred Frith on guitar, Fripp, McCormick, P. Jones, Melvin, Mattacks, and Collins) on Eno's 1978 'Music For Films' album, but I don't have that one. If someone could provide info on the tracks with Rudolph, that'd be cool ... Interesting selection of bands - King Crimson, Chris Spedding/Sharks, Ian Dury, Velvet Underground, Brand X, Can, Free, Fairport Convention (and Henry Cow?). What else could they possibly have in common? -Doug ceres at sirius.com From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Sat Dec 4 05:08:21 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Zeitgeist) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 10:08:21 +0000 Subject: OFF: Just for fun Message-ID: >> Well in 'the cliches are us, let's jump on the bandwagon' mode of many a >> starving musician I was in; >> >> 1979-1980 a NWOBHM inspired band called Merlin (complete with studded >> wristbands) >> 1981-1983 a NWOBPR inspired band called Pantheon (complete with kaftan and >> patchouli) >> 1985-1988 a glam/trash inspired band called Bombay Male (complete with >> perm. the horror!) > >So where are the pictures then???? > > :) > >-- Andy Locked away in a secure vault waiting for any one of the numerous ex-members to become rich, famous and open to blackmail. Me, I still have the numerous tattoos from the glam years, the long straight hair from the prog years and the beer gut from the metal years. SAH Blessings and peace from Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground E-zine, freezine and online Record Store at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van Vliet alternate url: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Sat Dec 4 05:15:18 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Zeitgeist) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 10:15:18 +0000 Subject: HW: HW vs Voiceprint - who are the bastards Message-ID: >Try a Xerox- err.. photocopier. >RJ Ah, but they've thought of that. You have to cut out the coupon on one part of the booklet, glue it to the other part of the coupon, along with the 9 other cut out bits, and post it back. Otherwise you'd only have to buy one CD and copy it 10 times. They may be corporate rock whores, but they're not stupid. SAH PS. A friend of mine played one gig at a record company Xmas party as the Corporate Rock Whores. Blessings and peace from Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground E-zine, freezine and online Record Store at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van Vliet alternate url: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Sat Dec 4 05:49:30 1999 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (Sonique) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 21:49:30 +1100 Subject: HW: Poll Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 799 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Sat Dec 4 05:53:07 1999 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (Sonique) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 21:53:07 +1100 Subject: HW:poll Message-ID: Missed a bit: > Geographic location? Melbourne, Australia S. -- The email address ---> sonique at sonique.net The current project ---> http://sonique.net/house The bank balance ---> In the red :) From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Dec 4 06:01:32 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 06:01:32 EST Subject: Eno and Roxy and Hawk connections Message-ID: In a message dated 12/3/99 3:00:12 PM, DDUCTOR at NEUUS.JNJ.COM writes: << Andy McKay (Roxy Music) are on it. >> ============ hello. mckay appears on "taking tiger mountain (by strategy)" but not "here come the warm jets" but regarding the latter, paul thompson drums on one song and phil manzanera plays on one song too (just one on this lp, i think) but manzanera stars on the "tiger mtn." lp "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Dec 4 06:04:17 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 06:04:17 EST Subject: OFF: Eno and Hawk connections Message-ID: In a message dated 12/4/99 4:37:32 AM, ceres at SIRIUS.COM writes: << Here's the lowdown on 3 out of the 4 Brian Eno albums that have Hawkwind members Paul Rudolph and Simon King on them: >> ======== spose i shoulda read a little further this A.M. deferring to mr. hard copy, i am. heh. "<>" From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Sat Dec 4 06:57:21 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 12:57:21 +0100 Subject: hw: glastonbury fayre triple lp Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, someone is offering me this record set for $200. That is a lot of money. Can anyone please inform me about what was originally issued with the record. I heard about pyramids, inserts, sticker etc. but can't find anything on the net right now. Thanks for your help! Bart -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.1 -- QDPGP 2.60 Comment: http://community.wow.net/grt/qdpgp.html iQA/AwUBOEjzkS/fv17d+wE8EQLH1QCgrlykYDMXKE/9ZAV2S853CSdMSsAAn1EI gD6QFbmCs5QjLczwAvpYRtTO =auV0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Dec 4 07:00:45 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 12:00:45 -0000 Subject: Lemmy/Adrian Shaw Message-ID: Motorhead supported Hawkwind in early 77 did they not? Anybody see these shows? I always hoped that Adrian would return to the line-up (now is the time!). Dave n.p : HW Complete '79 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Dec 4 07:00:49 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 12:00:49 -0000 Subject: Lemmy/Adrian Shaw Message-ID: Motorhead supported Hawkwind in early 77 did they not? Anybody see these shows? 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Does anyone know what's on this 'Free CD'. All the best Mick -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Dec 4 08:14:28 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 13:14:28 -0000 Subject: HW Video Footage Message-ID: Has anyone put together a listing of HW film and video footage? There seems to be a fair bit from 84 onwards but what is there before that? What is there in the vaults that could be released on a Collector Series video? Footage 71 - 82 1971 - no sound 1972 - BBC, how much is there apart from Silver Machine 1972 - Space Ritual b&w footage - rumoured 1974 - Swedish TV?- rumoured again 1977 - Quark from Marc Bolan TV show 1980 - promo's of Levitation tracks 1981 - German TV? 1982 onwards gets more complex with lots of bootleg quality releases. Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Dec 4 08:31:52 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 08:31:52 EST Subject: HW Video Footage Message-ID: In a message dated 12/4/99 8:22:40 AM, dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: << 1972 - Space Ritual b&w footage - rumoured >> i had a friend who, in 1977, insisted he saw something that fits this description "<>" ps> and i used to own the '81 (?) german tv xcerpt. not sure of the year because turner was there, and the xcerpt begins by turner announcing that brock and huw just had a fight backstage, and is derisively told to shut up. they play past the closing credits... From micci at SCI.FI Sat Dec 4 09:06:14 1999 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:06:14 +0200 Subject: NIK:news Message-ID: Hi! There is some news consider Nik?s finland gig. Look at http://www.sci.fi/~micci NP:Sons Of Selina- fire in the hole Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sat Dec 4 09:03:23 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 15:03:23 +0100 Subject: HW: HW vs Voiceprint In-Reply-To: <19991204124859.ZOMX9436.t21mta00-app.talk21.com@t21mtaV-lr s> Message-ID: Hi At 12:48 4.12.1999 +0000, you wrote: >The sound on the 'Complete '79' is a bit dodgy as well. I was >expecting the same album of the 'Live 79' gig, but with the rest >of the tracks added. It's a completely different gig. Anyone know >where it was recorded ? Does anyone know what's on this 'Free CD'. The original LIVE79 was recorded in St. Albans (08. Dec.1979) Bernhard From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sat Dec 4 09:10:34 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 15:10:34 +0100 Subject: HW Video Footage In-Reply-To: <004401bf3e5a$4b48bc60$e91f883e@default> Message-ID: Hi there At 13:14 4.12.1999 +0000, you wrote: >Has anyone put together a listing of HW film and video footage? >There seems to be a fair bit from 84 onwards but what is there >before that? What is there in the vaults that could be released >on a Collector Series video? Here is a list of HAWKWIND videos I have TOWN HALL DATE TIME AUD VID Dunstable Civic Hall 7.7.1972 5 9 8 Newcastle City Hall 19.9.1976 5 6 London Marc Bolan Show 14.9.1977 3 8 9 Newcastle City Hall 20.9.1977 5 6 Baden Baden Studio 14.2.1981 10 8 8 Southampton Gaumont 25.10.1981 95 7 5 Amsterdam Paradiso 23.3.1982 15 8 8 Edinburgh Playhouse 21.10.1982 100 8 7 Cricket St.Thomas Wildlife Park 4.6.1983 90 8 6 Ipswich Gaumont 9.3.1984 55 9 10 Stonehenge Festival 20.6.1984 40 9 10 Newcastle Mayfair 21.11.1984 60 8 7 Manchester International 10.2.1985 70 8 7 London Television 26.4.1985 10 9 9 Norwich Earlham Park 31.8.1985 10 9 9 London Hammersmith Odeon 3.12.1985 55 9 10 Bristol Festival 20.6.1986 5 8 6 Reading Festival 24.8.1986 10 8 8 Preston Guild Hall 3.12.1986 60 9 9 Bochum Zeche 31.5.1987 90 8 4 Finsbury Park Acid Daze 23.8.1987 75 9 3 Bridport Beehive 10.3.1989 40 8 9 Treworgey Tree Fayre Festival 29.7.1989 85 9 8 Somerville East Cabaret 27.9.1989 100 7 4 Chicago Lounge Axe 1.10.1989 90 7 7 Santa Clara One Step Byond 9.10.1989 105 7 6 Nottingham Lenton Lane Studios 25.1.1990 55 10 10 Bournemouth Academy 2.7.1990 100 9 9 Washington Club 9:30 2.12.1990 90 Cleveland Empire 6.12.1990 60 8 8 Chicago Cubby Bear 7.12.1990 90 6 7 Willow Grove Thirsty Whale 8.12.1990 90 8 8 Minneapolis Glam Slam 11.12.1990 105 Los Angeles Lingerie 15.12.1990 30 8 7 San Francisco I - Beam 17.12.1990 95 9 8 Bochum Zeche 19.3.1991 105 8 8 G?teborg Magasinet 28.9.1991 75 6 7 Gimme Shelter Sessions 1.1.1992 10 10 10 Hemel Pavillon 8.5.1992 105 9 9 Cambridge Corn Exchange 11.5.1992 100 7 7 Brixton Academy 15.8.1992 120 8 8 Kilbourne National Ballroom 13.12.1992 120 8 8 Bournemouth Academy 15.12.1992 110 7 7 Truro City Hall 11.4.1993 110 8 7 Pentrich Festival 31.7.1993 20 8 9 Brixton Academy 14.8.1993 90 6 7 Stuttgart R?hre 7.12.1993 70 8 7 Genua Albatross 19.10.1994 60 7 6 Springfield Jaxx 8.4.1995 80 7 8 Madison Barrymore Theatre 18.4.1995 100 7 7 Milwaukee Shank Hall 20.4.1995 100 7 7 Cardiff St.Davids Hall 18.10.1995 100 9 9 Bristol Colston Hall 19.10.1995 90 10 10 Bochum Zeche 26.10.1995 90 9 9 London VH1 14.4.1996 15 10 10 Burg Herzberg Festival 21.7.1996 110 8 8 Gent Festival 23.7.1996 110 8 9 Chicago Cubby Bear 24.8.1997 100 9 9 New York Coney Island High 29.8.1997 90 8 8 Sherman Strange Daze 97 31.8.1997 90 9 9 Newport Leisure Centre 6.11.1997 90 7 8 Garretsville Strange Daze 98 15.8.1998 70 9 9 Bernhard From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sat Dec 4 09:30:16 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 15:30:16 +0100 Subject: HW Video Footage In-Reply-To: <0.3421881d.257a71c8@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Larry At 08:31 4.12.1999 -0500, you wrote: >ps> and i used to own the '81 (?) german tv xcerpt. not sure of the year >because turner was there, and the xcerpt begins by turner announcing that >brock and huw just had a fight backstage, and is derisively told to shut up. The German TV appereance was on 14.02.1981. The lineup was. brock/bainbridge/hayle/baker/lloyd-langton Nik Turner was not with the band at this time His 1st HW gig after he left in October 1976 was: - Leeds, 9.9.79 and then, - London, 18.12.81 He rejoyned on 02. May.1982 in Wolverhampton Bernhard From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Dec 4 10:30:35 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 15:30:35 -0000 Subject: HW Video Footage Message-ID: Hi Bernhard, Comprehensive list there. I e-mailed Nik on the Q and A page of the official HW site, he hadn't heard of the Space Ritual film either. It's surprising that so little footage exists considering the band were so visual, or may be there is - somewhere. May be this is one for Doug Smith. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Pospiech To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 04 December 1999 14:12 Subject: Re: HW Video Footage Hi there At 13:14 4.12.1999 +0000, you wrote: >Has anyone put together a listing of HW film and video footage? >There seems to be a fair bit from 84 onwards but what is there >before that? What is there in the vaults that could be released >on a Collector Series video? Here is a list of HAWKWIND videos I have TOWN HALL DATE TIME AUD VID Dunstable Civic Hall 7.7.1972 5 9 8 Newcastle City Hall 19.9.1976 5 6 London Marc Bolan Show 14.9.1977 3 8 9 Newcastle City Hall 20.9.1977 5 6 Baden Baden Studio 14.2.1981 10 8 8 Southampton Gaumont 25.10.1981 95 7 5 Amsterdam Paradiso 23.3.1982 15 8 8 Edinburgh Playhouse 21.10.1982 100 8 7 Cricket St.Thomas Wildlife Park 4.6.1983 90 8 6 Ipswich Gaumont 9.3.1984 55 9 10 Stonehenge Festival 20.6.1984 40 9 10 Newcastle Mayfair 21.11.1984 60 8 7 Manchester International 10.2.1985 70 8 7 London Television 26.4.1985 10 9 9 Norwich Earlham Park 31.8.1985 10 9 9 London Hammersmith Odeon 3.12.1985 55 9 10 Bristol Festival 20.6.1986 5 8 6 Reading Festival 24.8.1986 10 8 8 Preston Guild Hall 3.12.1986 60 9 9 Bochum Zeche 31.5.1987 90 8 4 Finsbury Park Acid Daze 23.8.1987 75 9 3 Bridport Beehive 10.3.1989 40 8 9 Treworgey Tree Fayre Festival 29.7.1989 85 9 8 Somerville East Cabaret 27.9.1989 100 7 4 Chicago Lounge Axe 1.10.1989 90 7 7 Santa Clara One Step Byond 9.10.1989 105 7 6 Nottingham Lenton Lane Studios 25.1.1990 55 10 10 Bournemouth Academy 2.7.1990 100 9 9 Washington Club 9:30 2.12.1990 90 Cleveland Empire 6.12.1990 60 8 8 Chicago Cubby Bear 7.12.1990 90 6 7 Willow Grove Thirsty Whale 8.12.1990 90 8 8 Minneapolis Glam Slam 11.12.1990 105 Los Angeles Lingerie 15.12.1990 30 8 7 San Francisco I - Beam 17.12.1990 95 9 8 Bochum Zeche 19.3.1991 105 8 8 G?teborg Magasinet 28.9.1991 75 6 7 Gimme Shelter Sessions 1.1.1992 10 10 10 Hemel Pavillon 8.5.1992 105 9 9 Cambridge Corn Exchange 11.5.1992 100 7 7 Brixton Academy 15.8.1992 120 8 8 Kilbourne National Ballroom 13.12.1992 120 8 8 Bournemouth Academy 15.12.1992 110 7 7 Truro City Hall 11.4.1993 110 8 7 Pentrich Festival 31.7.1993 20 8 9 Brixton Academy 14.8.1993 90 6 7 Stuttgart R?hre 7.12.1993 70 8 7 Genua Albatross 19.10.1994 60 7 6 Springfield Jaxx 8.4.1995 80 7 8 Madison Barrymore Theatre 18.4.1995 100 7 7 Milwaukee Shank Hall 20.4.1995 100 7 7 Cardiff St.Davids Hall 18.10.1995 100 9 9 Bristol Colston Hall 19.10.1995 90 10 10 Bochum Zeche 26.10.1995 90 9 9 London VH1 14.4.1996 15 10 10 Burg Herzberg Festival 21.7.1996 110 8 8 Gent Festival 23.7.1996 110 8 9 Chicago Cubby Bear 24.8.1997 100 9 9 New York Coney Island High 29.8.1997 90 8 8 Sherman Strange Daze 97 31.8.1997 90 9 9 Newport Leisure Centre 6.11.1997 90 7 8 Garretsville Strange Daze 98 15.8.1998 70 9 9 Bernhard From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sat Dec 4 11:51:43 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 17:51:43 +0100 Subject: HW Video Footage In-Reply-To: <007a01bf3e6c$bf0aa840$e91f883e@default> Message-ID: Hi David At 15:30 4.12.1999 +0000, you wrote: >It's surprising that so little footage exists considering the band were so >visual, or may be there is - somewhere. May be this is one for Doug Smith. I am very sure that there exist lots of videos in the archives of the band, the manager and maybe the BBC. If (especially the BBC or the manager) could make money with this sort of stuff, they would release it. Thats the sad fact! Bernhard From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sat Dec 4 13:11:09 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 13:11:09 -0500 Subject: HW: Video/Acid Daze Message-ID: Bernhard's massive bank of historical info spout forth... >At 13:14 4.12.1999 +0000, you wrote: >>Has anyone put together a listing of HW film and video footage? >There >seems to be a fair bit from 84 onwards but what is there >before that? What >is there in the vaults that could be released >on a Collector Series video? > >Here is a list of HAWKWIND videos I have OK, Bernhard, I'm sure you have this....so could you post for me the sources of the infamous 'Acid Daze' tracks (or at least as they're best known to be)...I promised to provide this info for someone on another list. Thanks much in advance. Keith H. (FAA) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sat Dec 4 13:52:26 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 18:52:26 GMT Subject: OFF: The Clones of Tony Blair[no BOC/HW] In-Reply-To: Dan Witt's message of Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:51:47 -0600 Message-ID: Dan Witt writes: > Since the list is know open for political debate; remember to get out > there and support Pat Buchanon! ...for first man on Mars! Mike "No need to worry about getting the ship back.." Holmes From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Sat Dec 4 14:55:46 1999 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 19:55:46 GMT Subject: HW Video Footage Message-ID: The 'Night of the Hawk' video by Jettisound (JE 123) has the Nik Turner reference to the 'fight' between Dave and Huw. He mentions it just before the start of the encore track 'PSI Power' I'm not sure but I think it's from the 84 tour. all the best Mick -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sat Dec 4 15:04:04 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 21:04:04 +0100 Subject: HW Video Footage In-Reply-To: <19991204195732.BEYO29207.t21mta01-app.talk21.com@t21mtaV-l rs> Message-ID: Hi At 19:55 4.12.1999 +0000, you wrote: >The 'Night of the Hawk' video by Jettisound >(JE 123) has the Nik Turner reference to the 'fight' >between Dave and Huw. He mentions it just before the start of the >encore track 'PSI Power' >I'm not sure but I think it's from the 84 tour. It is from Ipswich, 09.March 1984 Bernhard From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Dec 4 15:55:08 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 20:55:08 -0000 Subject: HW: HW vs Voiceprint (Live 79 and Weird) Message-ID: Yeah, I expected the same. The mix wanders a bit, in volume and clarity. The second CD is better in my most 'umble opinion, some right spiffing rock-outs there (even though Tim seems to get "lost" in the mix). The 79 version of Spirit Of The Age has never been my favourite but the version of Urban Guerilla is miles better than that on the b-side of Shot Down. The entire set seems to be a lift from a mixing desk with, minimal, production. All-in-all good stuff, better than Live '82. Could have done a lot better with the production (the sound is way, way thinner than that at the Glasgow gig), hey but production is frequently suspect on HW releases. Weird Tapes Anyone got information on the content of the remaining Collectors Series. I've got the Weird Tapes (some of the contents of which have already been released) is there any reason to invest in the forthcoming releases? Dave -----Original Message----- From: Michael Crook To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 04 December 1999 12:50 Subject: Re: HW: HW vs Voiceprint >The sound on the 'Complete '79' is a bit dodgy as well. I was expecting the same album of the 'Live 79' gig, but with the rest of the tracks added. It's a completely different gig. Anyone know where it was recorded ? Does anyone know what's on this 'Free CD'. > >All the best >Mick > > > >-------------------- >talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com > From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Dec 4 16:16:56 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:16:56 EST Subject: HW Video Footage Message-ID: In a message dated 12/4/99 9:31:02 AM, bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE writes: << Nik Turner was not with the band at this time >> yeah, the timing did to seem to be off there, but it seemed like something turner would have done, had he been there...but he wasnt,lol, so who told the audience there'd been a backstage fight? hmmmm... i believe they played "who's gonna win the war" and "motorway city", the latter having the closing credits run on top and getting cut off. it was lousy condition and i had no vcr at the time so i gave it away....ca. '89 "<>" From Rob at JAZZBOX.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Dec 4 16:24:52 1999 From: Rob at JAZZBOX.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Robert Robinson) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 21:24:52 -0000 Subject: BOC covers Message-ID: Hello All, More covers ! the Waterboys cover of "Fire of Unknown Origin " turned up on the "in the studio" bootleg,and try as I might, I can't forget the version of DFTR by 80's popsters Strawberry Switchblade.Please tell me it was just a dream... cheers Rob From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Dec 4 16:34:15 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:34:15 EST Subject: HW Video Footage Message-ID: In a message dated 12/4/99 2:56:30 PM, m.j.crook at TALK21.COM writes: << The 'Night of the Hawk' video by Jettisound (JE 123) has the Nik Turner reference to the 'fight' between Dave and Huw. He mentions it just before the start of the encore track 'PSI Power' I'm not sure but I think it's from the 84 tour. >> eeeek! my vid segment began w/two guys, the hosts of the show, speaking ze deutch, and a pic of ginger baker pops up, and there's a mention of cream.... well, there's always the possibilty i'm wrong...anyone else seen this '81 vid segment? help! "<>" -- "Being bright does not grant an immunity to doing idiotic things; more like, it just enlarges the possible scope." -- Lois McMaster Bujold From bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET Sat Dec 4 16:44:04 1999 From: bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET (Brian Halligan) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:44:04 -0500 Subject: OFF: I'm giving away a free CD Message-ID: I just received an extra copy of Adrian Shaw's latest solo CD, "Head Cleaner." Instead of sending it back, what I'd like to do is pay Woronzow for it then give it to someone on BOC-L for free. I'll pay for the shipping too. Just enjoy it, or give it as a gift to a Shaw/HW/Frond/Psych/whatever fan in your life. Here's the specifics: 11 tracks Guest guitar: Nick Saloman, Bari Watts, Aaron Shaw " Keys: Aaron Shaw " Strings: Simon House " Drums: Ric Gunther First private reply gets it. Merry Christmas, Brian From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Dec 4 17:07:13 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 22:07:13 +0000 Subject: OFF: The Clones of Tony Blair[no BOC/HW] In-Reply-To: <199912031601.LAA19915@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Dec 1999, Keith Henderson wrote: > Mike writes... > > >At least Jesse Ventura seems partway libertarian on social issues. If I > >were there I'd evote for him or John McCain, who certainly was in > ^^^^^ > >Vietnam and wasn't having a fun time as a POW. > > You mean they allow that now?? Man, are we ever going to need to leave the > house in the future? Well, two general elections over here, there was a chap stood in one of the West Country constituencies on the platform that the only sensible way to conduct democracy in this modern age was to get a terminal in every house on which referendum information would be sent to the families and population at large and they would send in their votes, thus taking the government right back to the people. He was unfortunately sued because he got surprisingly many votes (for a loony fringe candidate, in that, he didn't lose his deposit) and the number he got would have been enough to shift one of the major parties into second place rather than third. They were the Liberal Democrats, he was the Literal Democrats, and they said he had obviously been set up to confuse the voters (they were next to each other on the (alphabetical) ballot). However, I don't believe they won, although I don't know what did happen. The idea has a superficial attraction, but then you get the 1984 gag reflexes and/or a sense that the best place to be there is feeding the populace its information... Insert lyrics from Calvert's `Acid Rain', Porcupine Tree's `Every Home Is Wired' and Hawkwind's `Fall of Earth City' and `Living On a Knife Edge' at random from this point on... Yours, Jon From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Dec 4 18:17:12 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 23:17:12 -0000 Subject: OFF Jimmy Page/ Roy Harper Video Message-ID: When I was at Hawkon a video was played of JP and RH playing live at the Cambridge Folk Festival. The guy who filmed also filmed the Jettisound HW videos. Does anyone know if this was released? Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET Sat Dec 4 18:31:58 1999 From: bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET (Brian Halligan) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 18:31:58 -0500 Subject: OFF: Free CD Message-ID: Keith Henderson was the first to reply, so he gets it. The CD definately has some good tunes on it (and having Simon House on a couple of tracks doesn't hurt. ;-) So, I recommend it to anyone who wrote in late. If you still want one it's for sale at http://www.woronzow.co.uk I don't know if anyone in the US carries it or not, unfortunately. Brian From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Dec 4 18:36:38 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 23:36:38 -0000 Subject: OFF: Free CD Message-ID: It's on my "to buy list". Good on you for offering it to list members. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Brian Halligan To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 04 December 1999 23:34 Subject: OFF: Free CD >Keith Henderson was the first to reply, so he gets it. The CD definately >has some good tunes on it (and having Simon House on a couple of tracks >doesn't hurt. ;-) So, I recommend it to anyone who wrote in late. If you >still want one it's for sale at http://www.woronzow.co.uk I don't know if >anyone in the US carries it or not, unfortunately. > >Brian > From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sat Dec 4 20:55:55 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 01:55:55 -0000 Subject: news In-Reply-To: <199912041406.QAA23421@pefletti.saunalahti.fi> Message-ID: Miikka This sounds good to me - but I looked at the webpage and like, where in Finland is it??? Somewhere in Helsinki I presume? I was supposed to meet with Nik on Friday night at the Wreck'n'Roll Circus, but was too knackered, so I ought to go really! -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Miikka Wagner > Sent: 04 December 1999 14:06 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: NIK:news > > > Hi! > > There is some news consider Nik?s finland gig. Look at > http://www.sci.fi/~micci > > > > NP:Sons Of Selina- fire in the hole > > Miikka Wagner > email: micci at sci.fi > http://www.sci.fi/~micci > From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sun Dec 5 05:10:51 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:10:51 +0100 Subject: HW Video Footage In-Reply-To: <0.efad92b7.257ae2d7@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Larry At 16:34 4.12.1999 -0500, you wrote: >my vid segment began w/two guys, the hosts of the show, speaking ze deutch, >and a pic of ginger baker pops up, and there's a mention of cream.... > >well, there's always the possibilty i'm wrong...anyone else seen this '81 vid >segment? help! Yes. I've got it. And I have got the video as well! HW played in a TV show called "LIEDER und LEUTE (SONGS and PEOPLE). They performed 2 songs (THE WAR and MOTORWAY CITY). Unfortunately only THE WAR was only broadcasted on TV. It was a live show from 14.02.1981 p.s. They played the worst THE WAR version I've ever heard!! Bernhard From micci at SCI.FI Sun Dec 5 08:29:54 1999 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:29:54 +0200 Subject: news Message-ID: Hi! >Miikka > >This sounds good to me - but I looked at the webpage and like, where in >Finland is it??? Somewhere in Helsinki I presume? Yes, it is in helsinki at tavastia club. There will be some other gigs too, probably in Tampere city and Kuopio, but these are not confirmed. Bad news is, that it seems that Dark Sun will not play with Nik! It?s really sad, because last summer gig was really superb! Very good HW tunes and of cource Dark Suns own songs just really rocks when Nik play some sax/flute on them. Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From flossbac at NLCI.COM Sun Dec 5 11:05:38 1999 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:05:38 -0500 Subject: HW Video Footage Message-ID: > HW played in a TV show called "LIEDER und LEUTE (SONGS and PEOPLE). > They performed 2 songs (THE WAR and MOTORWAY CITY). Unfortunately only THE > WAR was only broadcasted on TV. It was a live show from 14.02.1981 > p.s. They played the worst THE WAR version I've ever heard!! > Bernhard Oh! I rather liked that version of "Who's Gonna Win The War!" I've got that video too, and the only thing that irks me about it is the way the hosts of the show interview Ginger Baker briefly, as if he is the main attraction in Hawkwind, and the others are just his backing band or something. The keyboards and the lead guitar are lush and quite a bit different from other versions.....once again, just another example of the vast differences in opinion among hawkfans! John Majka http://www.nlci.com/users/flossbac/hawkwind.html From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sun Dec 5 11:18:06 1999 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:18:06 EST Subject: OFF: censorship hits home Message-ID: In a message dated 12/3/99 1:11:06 PM EST, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: << Witches have been burned in Scotland as recently as 1722, >> Probably explains why Hillary never gets over your way;( regards, Bill stewart From sprawl at STARPOWER.NET Sun Dec 5 12:24:13 1999 From: sprawl at STARPOWER.NET (Sprawl) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 12:24:13 -0500 Subject: HW: HW vs Voiceprint - who are the bastards Message-ID: >>Try a Xerox- err.. photocopier. >>RJ > >Ah, but they've thought of that. > >You have to cut out the coupon on one part of the booklet, glue it to the >other part of the coupon, along with the 9 other cut out bits, and post it >back. Otherwise you'd only have to buy one CD and copy it 10 times. > >They may be corporate rock whores, but they're not stupid. That's arguable, I think. But does it specifically say "no photocopies?" If not, then photocopies are as subject to being pasted as originals. If that's not the case, boycott the bastards. (Or at least write them a letter saying that you will be happy to send the receipts, otherwise they can stuff their offer and forget any future sales.) RJ From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sun Dec 5 12:41:41 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 18:41:41 +0100 Subject: HW Video Footage In-Reply-To: <000701bf3f3a$935f1b80$ce6040ce@pavilion> Message-ID: Hi At 11:05 5.12.1999 -0500, you wrote: >(...)the only thing that irks me about it is the way the >hosts of the show interview Ginger Baker briefly, as if he is the main >attraction in Hawkwind, and the others are just his backing band or >something. Thats true. I remember that in the TV-newspaper in February 1981 HAWKWIND was announced as GINGER BAKERS HAWKIWND Bernhard From capcloud at HAWKLORD.COM Sun Dec 5 15:01:52 1999 From: capcloud at HAWKLORD.COM (Captain Cloud) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:01:52 -0500 Subject: OFF: Just for fun Message-ID: >My best friends roommate in college was in a band called Happy Cancer. They >were quite good actually. Very tight fusion ala John McLaughlin or Brand X. >Anyway they tried to go "public" in the LA market (not Louisiana) and >changed their name to Kafka's Breakfast. Both Happy Cancer and Kafkas Breakfast are early names for the group now known as Djam Karet. DK has released about a dozen different titles since the early eighties, including a rare tape release named "Kafka's Breakfast" containing music from their early period. Perhaps your friend's roommate is still with the band today, or at least is represented on that early recording... >Mikey Hey Mike! Long time no see...not since HW at NYC 1997. :-) Captain Cloud capcloud at hawklord.com From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sun Dec 5 20:37:08 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 01:37:08 +0000 Subject: HW: CD finds In-Reply-To: <199912032159.PAA16791@overlord.stc.comm.mot.com> Message-ID: At 15:59 03/12/99 -0600, Frank wrote: >ObAnnoyance: Having 5 (count 'em: 5) system crashes on my home computer >over the last several months, hopelessly squashing any plans to revamp >the Golden Void site any time soon. I refuse to let the *&#^$% system >get the better of me, though. 5 in several months - i'd been having 4 or 5 a day!!!!! > >ObServation: Bill Gates is the antichrist. Worse! >-- >Warning on a Japanese food processor: > Not to be used for the other use Like %^&^^ WINDOZE Sayonara ChrisW From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Sun Dec 5 22:47:29 1999 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 22:47:29 -0500 Subject: Off: Djam Karat (was just for fun) In-Reply-To: <014701bf3f5b$93def6e0$0100a8c0@cloudhome> Message-ID: Hey Captain! Things go well in upstate NY. Thanx for asking. Can anyone point me to a Djam Karat Home page or give me some album credits. The tenuous link (not the friend I had hoped) is a Gayle Ellet. I did some research on the web (little there was for Djam Karat) and I think I did find the link btw my old college chums and this band. It is tenuous but I am asking my alumni mail list network thingy if anyone can fill in the details. Mikey PS If this is indeed the same band I have a very rare thing indeed. The first Happy Cancer official Studio Demo tape, as well as a live concert I think. Hmmm. I wrote: >My best friends roommate in college was in a band called Happy Cancer. They >were quite good actually. Very tight fusion ala John McLaughlin or Brand X. >Anyway they tried to go "public" in the LA market (not Louisiana) and >changed their name to Kafka's Breakfast. And Cpt Cloud helpfully returned: Both Happy Cancer and Kafkas Breakfast are early names for the group now known as Djam Karet. DK has released about a dozen different titles since the early eighties, including a rare tape release named "Kafka's Breakfast" containing music from their early period. Perhaps your friend's roommate is still with the band today, or at least is represented on that early recording... From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Sun Dec 5 23:06:51 1999 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 23:06:51 -0500 Subject: Djam Karat (was just for fun) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well I found the answ already and yes I went to college with a couple of guys from Djam Karat. But I would still love to find a web page and a good source for their music Mikey From capcloud at HAWKLORD.COM Sun Dec 5 23:12:10 1999 From: capcloud at HAWKLORD.COM (Captain Cloud) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 23:12:10 -0500 Subject: Djam Karat (was just for fun) Message-ID: > Can anyone point me to a Djam Karat Home page or give me some album credits. > The tenuous link (not the friend I had hoped) is a Gayle Ellet. Gayle Ellet is indeed one of the four members of Djam Karet. And, he is an excellent guitarist! This band has produced some of my favorite rock all-instrumental albums, specifically "Burning the Hard City" as the best. Djam Karet have put out a pretty large collection of music, including 8 CDs, some comp appearances, several rare tapes, and even a live video. They also just played a mini-tour of 3 or 4 dates last fall (1998), which provided some live tapes for the trading circles. They are based in California. Be aware also that they dabbled with ambient (not to my taste) on a couple of full albums, but their specialty is an intense electric fusion. The relevent URL, as was posted earlier by Kevin (I think), is http://www.djamkaret.com. I can also provide a snail mail addr for Henry J. Osborne, the member of the band who handles direct sales and fan mailouts. Gayle also put out a solo album credited to Gardner & Gayle, called "Music for Televisions". Gardner refers to Gardner Graber, an unknown to me. Apparently this album collects music written for two television shows on SURFER and POWDER. An occasionally interesting item for the DK completist only. If anyone has any further interest in this band, they are free to contact me and I'll tell them what I can... > > Mikey > > PS If this is indeed the same band I have a very rare thing indeed. The > first Happy Cancer official Studio Demo tape, as well as a live concert I > think. Hmmm. Hey Mike, if you want to set up a trade, then I'd appreciate it. I have so far been fortunate enough to track down most of the released items from this band, but that just makes me hunger for more! ;^) Captain Cloud capcloud at hawklord.com http://www.hawklord.com/tapes From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sun Dec 5 23:05:07 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 23:05:07 -0500 Subject: Djam Karat (was just for fun) Message-ID: Mikey said... >Well I found the answ already and yes I went to college with a couple of >guys from Djam Karat. But I would still love to find a web page and a good >source for their music Djam Karet is really a fine group. I have four or five of their discs and they are strong throughout. Their latest studio work, "The Devouring" is excellent. "Burning the Hard City" is an older good one. I managed to see them play live at Orion Studios in Baltimore last year, and this concert was recorded and has been released in the last six months. "Live at Orion" I think...not so imaginative. I believe they are on Cuneiform Records (also in Baltimore) now, and I'm sure you could find out more about them at their site. http://www.cuneiformrecords.com probably. Either that or Wayside Records, their marketing/sales wing. Steve Feigenbaum (sp?) is the guy anyway. Keith H. (FAA) From mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM Sun Dec 5 23:39:46 1999 From: mhabiby1 at NYCAP.RR.COM (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 23:39:46 -0500 Subject: Djam Karat (was just for fun) In-Reply-To: <199912060422.XAA05654@mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: Thanx to Capt. Cloud and Keith... Looks like I went to college with the lot of them. Interesting web page. No clear pics so I cant be sure of Mike Henderson and Henry Osborn But I am definite on Gayle and Chuck Oken. Mikey From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Mon Dec 6 01:13:23 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David Greenhalgh) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 15:13:23 +0900 Subject: hw: glastonbury fayre triple lp Message-ID: This isn't a complete list, I haven't got my copy to hand. There should be a booklet, a do it yourself pyramid, a do it yourself geodesic dome. I can't remember about stickers. I think that there were two booklets, but doubtless someone will put me right. Dave Bart Brugmans wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, > > someone is offering me this record set for $200. That is a lot of > money. > Can anyone please inform me about what was originally issued with > the record. I heard about pyramids, inserts, sticker etc. but can't > find anything on the net right now. > > Thanks for your help! > > Bart > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.5.1 -- QDPGP 2.60 > Comment: http://community.wow.net/grt/qdpgp.html > > iQA/AwUBOEjzkS/fv17d+wE8EQLH1QCgrlykYDMXKE/9ZAV2S853CSdMSsAAn1EI > gD6QFbmCs5QjLczwAvpYRtTO > =auV0 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 6 06:16:41 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 11:16:41 GMT Subject: OFF: The Clones of Tony Blair[no BOC/HW] In-Reply-To: Jonathan Jarrett's message of Sat, 4 Dec 1999 22:07:13 +0000 Message-ID: Jonathan Jarrett writes: > Well, two general elections over here, there was a chap stood in > one of the West Country constituencies on the platform that the only > sensible way to conduct democracy in this modern age was to get a terminal > in every house on which referendum information would be sent to the > families and population at large and they would send in their votes, thus > taking the government right back to the people. > > He was unfortunately sued because he got surprisingly many votes > (for a loony fringe candidate, in that, he didn't lose his deposit) and > the number he got would have been enough to shift one of the major parties > into second place rather than third. They were the Liberal Democrats, he > was the Literal Democrats, and they said he had obviously been set up to > confuse the voters (they were next to each other on the (alphabetical) > ballot). However, I don't believe they won, although I don't know what did > happen. They changed the Law to protect politicians' monopoly on confusing, and lying to, voters. FoFP From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Mon Dec 6 07:14:57 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 07:14:57 -0500 Subject: OFF: Just for fun Message-ID: I saw two bands recently - Drawing Flys (Yes they dress up in fly costumes) and Catheter > -----Original Message----- > From: Zeitgeist [SMTP:stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK] > Sent: Saturday, December 04, 1999 5:08 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: OFF: Just for fun > > >> Well in 'the cliches are us, let's jump on the bandwagon' mode of many > a > >> starving musician I was in; > >> > >> 1979-1980 a NWOBHM inspired band called Merlin (complete with studded > >> wristbands) > >> 1981-1983 a NWOBPR inspired band called Pantheon (complete with kaftan > and > >> patchouli) > >> 1985-1988 a glam/trash inspired band called Bombay Male (complete with > >> perm. the horror!) > > > >So where are the pictures then???? > > > > :) > > > >-- Andy > > Locked away in a secure vault waiting for any one of the numerous > ex-members to become rich, famous and open to blackmail. Me, I still have > the numerous tattoos from the glam years, the long straight hair from the > prog years and the beer gut from the metal years. > > SAH > Blessings and peace from Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground > E-zine, freezine and online Record Store at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com > PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK > "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the > world > touches too hard" Don Van Vliet > alternate url: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 6 06:30:14 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 07:30:14 EDT Subject: OFF: The Clones of Tony Blair[no BOC/HW] In-Reply-To: <38482D63.3C0646A1@uswest.net> Message-ID: On 3 Dec 99 at 14:51, Dan Witt wrote: > Well he went so far as to say his wife was weak minded because she goes > to church. This happened when barbra walters tried to pin him down. > What more do you want? He said it and stood by it, at the expense of his > wife. I'm not saying it's great he called his wife weak minded, but he > stood by what he said no matter what. Who needs proof his wife is weak-minded? She married Jesse, after all... > > > > > I don't think he's that bad. I'm much happier with him than a stock > politician who will tell me what the polls tell him to tell me. > > Since the list is know open for political debate; remember to get out > there and support Pat Buchanon! Hmm, first Jesse, then Pat. Well, your political credibility is well-established. BTW, It's spelled: Buchanan... theo From mark.robertson at VIRGIN.NET Mon Dec 6 08:19:03 1999 From: mark.robertson at VIRGIN.NET (Mark Robertson) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:19:03 -0000 Subject: HW: Off :second in an occasional series of hawkwind associated digital art Message-ID: take alook at: http://freespace.virgin.net/mark.robertson/wind2.htm for digital Bob... higher res version available should anyone want it! Mark From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Sun Dec 5 20:45:29 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 01:45:29 +0000 Subject: BOC: Bad Channels Message-ID: > Whilst out Christmas shopping today and therefore taking a minute to > check out the racks at Virgin...............New in and with a different > cover .... 'Bad Channels'. I like this soundtrack. The BOC tracks are decent, but Sykotic Sinfoney (SP?????????????) really steals the show. Has anyone ever heard anything else by these guys? Do they have any albums/EPs out? -- Nick From mordru at FLITE.NET Mon Dec 6 11:17:26 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 11:17:26 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind the Seer Message-ID: most off/topic Has been a recurring character in the Ultima Series of computer games. No idea if he is tied in any way to Hawkwind, I have seen nothing in the character or the games otherwise to indicate thus. Anyway, he (first appeared in Ultima IV to my knowledge) is back in Ultima IX: Ascension. This game was extremely unplayable when I first got it, in D3D (have Viper 770 TNT2 Ultra, ought to be able to handle just about anything), with a recent patch I was able to start playing, very involving, mesmerizing. Hawkwind's voice summons you at the start of the game, but he has not physically been present yet. "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random =============== Andrew Apold From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Mon Dec 6 11:41:17 1999 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 10:41:17 -0600 Subject: OFF: was Re: HW: CD finds Message-ID: >>ObAnnoyance: Having 5 (count 'em: 5) system crashes on my home computer >>over the last several months, hopelessly squashing any plans to revamp >>the Golden Void site any time soon. I refuse to let the *&#^$% system >>get the better of me, though. > >5 in several months - i'd been having 4 or 5 a day!!!!! I don't mean a Blue Screen of Death. I mean crash as in "time to buy a new hard drive, do a fresh install, and try to recover what I can from backup" kind of crashes. Current count: 2 hardware failures on my old drive, a brand new replacement disk that was bad, a tape backup drive that didn't simply fail - but destroyed the current backup tapes in the process, and numerous - seemingly random - software instabilities that were bad enough to not even allow Windows to boot at all. I know I don't have any viruses on the system, so clearly it is a plot by the Evil Empire. One might hope that it would take something less than a PhD in Electrical Engineering (which I have) to maintain a home computer. It is to the point where even my wife, who is generally not amused when I spend large chunks of money on electronic toys, has asked me to just please buy a new computer and throw this one out. "Never", I say, "for that would be admitting defeat." Of course, I'm sure I'll get a new one after I have hacked this one back into shape because the newer machines put mine to shame. I mean, what's the point of playing games in anything less than full hardware- accelerated 3D so that the blood splatters from dismembered aliens glisten in the moonlight with life-like characteristics? :-) Frank -- There are two kinds of skiers: 1) Those who blast through the moguls at high speeds with no regard for personal safety. 2) Losers. ============================================================ Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Dec 6 11:59:22 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 16:59:22 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind the Seer In-Reply-To: <199912061617.LAA06377@issfire.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: > Anyway, he (first appeared in Ultima IV to my knowledge) is back in > Ultima IX: Ascension. This game was extremely unplayable when I first > got it, in D3D (have Viper 770 TNT2 Ultra, ought to be able to handle > just about anything), with a recent patch I was able to start playing, > very involving, mesmerizing. Hawkwind's voice summons you at the > start of the game, but he has not physically been present yet. Intriguing, but I still think I'll stick with Lara...! -- Andy ObCD-ROM: Tomb Raider - The Last Revelation mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Dec 6 04:10:57 1999 From: age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Adrian Parr) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 09:10:57 -0000 Subject: HW Video Footage Message-ID: Hi there Dave Hall writes: Has anyone put together a listing of HW film and video footage? There seems to be a fair bit from 84 onwards but what is there before that? What is there in the vaults that could be released on a Collector Series video? Footage 71 - 82 1971 - no sound 1972 - BBC, how much is there apart from Silver Machine 1972 - Space Ritual b&w footage - rumoured 1974 - Swedish TV?- rumoured again Dave Apparently, someone found silent footage of Hawkwind at the Roundhouse in 1970 a few years back but so far, the soundtrack is still uncovered. I remember talking to Nik about footage of the Space Ritual in 1995, and he recalled a video crew filming the Wembley gig in 1973. The only problem was that after when he played it back, the guy realised he only had a blank screen. In 1973, Swedish TV filmed a festival that Hawkwind played. Rumour has it that all of Hawkwind's set was filmed but when the program was shown the following year, only Master of The Universe was shown. There's probably more lurking All the best Age -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE Mon Dec 6 12:07:12 1999 From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 18:07:12 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind the Seer Message-ID: "Andrew A. Apold" wrote: > most off/topic > Has been a recurring character in the Ultima Series of computer games. > No idea if he is tied in any way to Hawkwind, I have seen nothing in > the character or the games otherwise to indicate thus. Perhaps Richard Garriott (aka Lord British) is an HW-fan? At least he must have heard something about the band. I think it's very unprobable that he chose that name just by coincidence. > Anyway, he (first appeared in Ultima IV to my knowledge) is back in > Ultima IX: Ascension. This game was extremely unplayable when I first > got it, in D3D (have Viper 770 TNT2 Ultra, ought to be able to handle > just about anything), with a recent patch I was able to start playing, > very involving, mesmerizing. Hawkwind's voice summons you at the > start of the game, but he has not physically been present yet. Is it available at last? Or do you play some demo or beta version? so long D-R -- "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" Hassan I Sabbah www.d-rider.de From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Dec 6 13:42:42 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 10:42:42 -0800 Subject: hw: glastonbury fayre triple lp Message-ID: I should probably do this at home, so I could actually look at the record while I type, but the complete Glastonbury Fayre should include: - printed outer plastic bag - six-panel poster sleeve - two booklets - pyramid cut-out ... but no stickers On Sat, 4 Dec 1999 12:57:21 +0100, Bart Brugmans wrote: >someone is offering me this record set for $200. That is a lot of >money. I paid $175 for a complete (first one I had ever seen) copy in VG to VG+ condition a year or two ago, so at that price it had better be complete and in decent shape. >Can anyone please inform me about what was originally issued with >the record. I heard about pyramids, inserts, sticker etc. but can't >find anything on the net right now. > >Thanks for your help! I'll drop you an Email if it turns out I left anything out ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Mon Dec 6 14:38:36 1999 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Arin Komins) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:38:36 -0600 Subject: Hawkwind the Seer In-Reply-To: <199912061617.LAA06377@issfire.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, Andrew A. Apold wrote: :Subject: Hawkwind the Seer : :most off/topic : :Has been a recurring character in the Ultima Series of computer games. :No idea if he is tied in any way to Hawkwind, I have seen nothing in :the character or the games otherwise to indicate thus. : :Anyway, he (first appeared in Ultima IV to my knowledge) is back in :Ultima IX: Ascension. This game was extremely unplayable when I first :got it, in D3D (have Viper 770 TNT2 Ultra, ought to be able to handle :just about anything), with a recent patch I was able to start playing, :very involving, mesmerizing. Hawkwind's voice summons you at the :start of the game, but he has not physically been present yet. : More similar off-topic: There is a character named Hawkwind in the anime version of Wizardry. Thanks, Arin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Arin Komins akomins at midway.uchicago.edu Web Systems Administrator University of Chicago/NSIT tel: (773)834-4087 1155 E. 60th St. #305A Chicago, IL 60637 fax: (773)702-0559 ------------------------------------------------------------------ From erics at TELEPRES.COM Mon Dec 6 15:22:15 1999 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 15:22:15 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind the Seer In-Reply-To: ; from akomins@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU on Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 01:38:36PM -0600 Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 01:38:36PM -0600, Arin Komins wrote: > On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > > :Subject: Hawkwind the Seer > :Has been a recurring character in the Ultima Series of computer games. > > There is a character named Hawkwind in the anime version of Wizardry. > There's a *property* named Hawkwind a bit north of Toronto ... at least, there's a driveway off into the woods, with a big sign bearing that name. Nice new-agey sort of name, if you don't happen to get the reference. -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / If Microsoft made Lego, they'd make it with square pips. From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Mon Dec 6 15:56:11 1999 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 20:56:11 GMT Subject: HW Video Footage Message-ID: Hi I knew I'd seen it somewhere - I've just spent ages looking for the right interview. In the February 1993 'Record Collector' (No.162) page 106, Dave Brock says that the BBC recorded about half-an-hour at Dunstable for Silver Machine and that Charisma actually made a video to accompany the 'Hawklords' album! Now that would be a real gem if it could be unearthed. All the best Mick. -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From mordru at FLITE.NET Mon Dec 6 15:57:59 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 15:57:59 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind the Seer Message-ID: >"Andrew A. Apold" wrote: > >> most off/topic >> Has been a recurring character in the Ultima Series of computer games. >> No idea if he is tied in any way to Hawkwind, I have seen nothing in >> the character or the games otherwise to indicate thus. > >Perhaps Richard Garriott (aka Lord British) is an HW-fan? At >least he must have heard something about the band. I think it's very >unprobable that he chose that name just by coincidence. To my knowledge, the only popular musical reference in the series was the Hotel Clerk in New San Antonio in Ultima II humming "Hotel California". Most of it is traditional, its most memorable tune is "Stones", written by Iolo (a real person, BTW). >> Anyway, he (first appeared in Ultima IV to my knowledge) is back in >> Ultima IX: Ascension. This game was extremely unplayable when I first >> got it, in D3D (have Viper 770 TNT2 Ultra, ought to be able to handle >> just about anything), with a recent patch I was able to start playing, >> very involving, mesmerizing. Hawkwind's voice summons you at the >> start of the game, but he has not physically been present yet. > >Is it available at last? Or do you play some demo or beta version? Yes. As with many of them, the payoff is tremendous if you have been with the series for awhile. Especially the last two (VII and VIII), but even more for IV - VI.... This thing is extremely deep, rich plot, feels like a world, many subtle touches. However, the game was optimized for glide (the bastards). As released, it was unplayable w/ D3D (no opengl). I had a card that was top of the line until geoforce came out, and it was too choppy to live with. However, a recent patch, combined with tweaking suggestions, produced a playable game. And then the depth of detail, story, character, and so forth started to become apparent. I have barely scratched the surface of this world, and I am completely drawn in. Though the perspective resembles tomb rader, this is not an action game. The interface does a very good job of making sure of that. If you've ever played and enjoyed an ultima, or like RPGs in general, I have to say get it if your system can handle it. Recommend latest generation 3d-card, 400mhz or higher, 128 meg memory, and about a 1 gigabyte of space on a hard drive. There is a demo, at http://www.ultima9.com, you can see if this will help you see what you feel (though you don't get into the plot at all in this demo, all you do is suit up and learn the interface around your house on earth, then complete one dungeon)... I don't know if they patched the demo, if they didn't it will run lousy on non-glide 3d cards. "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random =============== Andrew Apold From joe.e at TELIA.COM Mon Dec 6 16:35:43 1999 From: joe.e at TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 22:35:43 +0100 Subject: HW Video Footage Message-ID: At 09:10 1999-12-06 -0000, you wrote: >Hi there > >Dave Hall writes: > > Has anyone put together a listing of HW film and video footage? There seems to be a fair bit from 84 onwards but what is there before that? What is there in the vaults that could be released on a Collector Series video? > Footage 71 - 82 > 1971 - no sound > 1972 - BBC, how much is there apart from Silver Machine > 1972 - Space Ritual b&w footage - rumoured > 1974 - Swedish TV?- rumoured again > Dave > > Apparently, someone found silent footage of Hawkwind at the Roundhouse > in 1970 a few years back but so far, the soundtrack is still uncovered. > I remember talking to Nik about footage of the Space Ritual in 1995, > and he recalled a video crew filming the Wembley gig in 1973. The only > problem was that after when he played it back, the guy realised he only > had a blank screen. > In 1973, Swedish TV filmed a festival that Hawkwind played. Rumour has > it that all of Hawkwind's set was filmed but when the program was shown > the following year, only Master of The Universe was shown. The whole set was filmed, but only half of MotU was shown. Pity. Got a clip from the tv guide in the local tabloid paper Aftonbladet 26th of July 1974, saying "Rymdpop, Tasavallan och Pugh i j?ttegala" there's a big color pic of an eight person Hawkwind, along with the following [fast] translated text: "The pop festival in Gothenburg was a disapoinment, said the critics. The English Space Poppers Hawkwind, with its light- and soundshow "Space Ritual" was one of the more interesting piece, meant one recencent." One odd thing, Hawkwind was probably on stage at the same minute our old king died, that very evening in 1973. There was no mention of a pop festival in the papers the days after, for understanable reasons. Nazareth was on the festival bill, but didn't show up. If you got a time machine, and manage to tune in 26th of July, National Swedish Broadcast TV2, 21:35 - you've also got 2-3 minutes of Master of the Universe. With Lemmy. > There's probably more lurking > All the best > Age peace, .joe From brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Dec 6 16:46:53 1999 From: brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Brian Coulthard) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 21:46:53 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind the Seer In-Reply-To: <199912061617.LAA06377@issfire.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: Hello All As far as I remember I think Hawkwind the Seer was in Ultima 1 and 3 (I never played 2)I seem to recall Origin recomending 3dfx cards ofor Acension. I have not got it yet I didn`t think it was available at least not in the UK anyway. Just wondering I am playing Ultima Online at the mo is anyone else? Yours Brian From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Dec 5 15:43:55 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 20:43:55 +0000 Subject: OFF: The Clones of Tony Blair[no BOC/HW] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Jonathan Jarrett writes > Well, two general elections over here, there was a chap stood in >one of the West Country constituencies on the platform that the only >sensible way to conduct democracy in this modern age was to get a terminal >in every house on which referendum information would be sent to the >families and population at large and they would send in their votes, thus >taking the government right back to the people. > > He was unfortunately sued because he got surprisingly many votes >(for a loony fringe candidate, in that, he didn't lose his deposit) and >the number he got would have been enough to shift one of the major parties >into second place rather than third. They were the Liberal Democrats, he >was the Literal Democrats, and they said he had obviously been set up to >confuse the voters (they were next to each other on the (alphabetical) >ballot). Just playing devil's advocate, but what's the point of sending referendum information to people so "confused" they can't tell the difference between the word "literal" and "liberal"? -- Jon From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE Mon Dec 6 20:16:58 1999 From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 02:16:58 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind the Seer Message-ID: > To my knowledge, the only popular musical reference in the series was > the Hotel Clerk in New San Antonio in Ultima II humming "Hotel California". Which does not mean that Mr Garriott doesn't know anything about Hawkwind (in particular) or space-rock (in general). > Most of it is traditional, its most memorable tune is "Stones", written by > Iolo (a real person, BTW). I love "Stones"! It's a fine piece of music. The real person is a friend of Richard Garriot's (I can't recall the name in the moment, sorry). > >Is it available at last? Or do you play some demo or beta version? > > Yes. Hurray! The Ultima-series is the best concerning entertainment software. > As with many of them, the payoff is tremendous if you have been with > the series for awhile. Especially the last two (VII and VIII), but > even more for IV - VI.... I have. I played all the parts, beggining with part I to nr. VIII. Although nr. 8 seemed to be "Super-Mario"-like, instead of being a good RPG. I think I have to look out for number 9! D-R -- "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" Hassan I Sabbah www.d-rider.de From mordru at FLITE.NET Mon Dec 6 21:03:50 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 21:03:50 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind the Seer In-Reply-To: <384C600A.FDB60092@unibw-muenchen.de> Message-ID: >> Most of it is traditional, its most memorable tune is "Stones", written by >> Iolo (a real person, BTW). > >I love "Stones"! It's a fine piece of music. The real person is a friend >of >Richard Garriot's (I can't recall the name in the moment, sorry). Okay, apologizing for the off-topic here for the others. David Watson. In the Society for Creative Anachronism (SCA), he goes by the name Iolo Fitzowen. Garriot (who goes by the name Shamino) met him, and all the other regulars there (Dupre, Gwenno, Jaana, Mariah, etc.) in the Austin area.... I was at an event in San Antonio, sometime after having played Ultima IV, (sometime late 80's) when I met Iolo, did not make the immediate connection. He made and sold authentic medieval crossbows, I ended up having him make me one (still have it to this day, a fine piece of work). At the time he had a number of models available for people to target practice at with... it was a hot day, he decided to take a break, so he sets up under a tree... and pulls out a lute. Which set off an alarm bell in my mind... he played a piece, very sweet, then mentions that Gwenno, wrote the words for the next song, and procedes to play "stones". At this point I ask if he knows Garriot, and he smiled... anyway, got to meet Dupre that day also, who BTW was a finalist in a fighting tournament that day, as well as Gwenno. Anyway. He's a wonderful lute-player. I asked him how he got into making crossbows.... he said he bought one from Wham-O (the frisbee makers) in the 50's, it didn't work, so he decided to research it and make one right. He has a website where he sells them and books about crossbows, "new world arbalest" at http://www.moontower.com/crossbow/ ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Dec 6 22:42:29 1999 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 11:42:29 +0800 Subject: HW Video Footage In-Reply-To: <19991206205925.LRLX29207.t21mta01-app.talk21.com@t21mtaV-lrs> Message-ID: > Hi > I knew I'd seen it somewhere - I've just spent ages looking for > the right interview. > In the February 1993 'Record Collector' > (No.162) page 106, Dave Brock says that the BBC recorded about > half-an-hour at Dunstable for Silver Machine and that Charisma > actually made a video to accompany the 'Hawklords' album! > Now that would be a real gem if it could be unearthed. > I remember seeing the video you mention. It was of the band doing Automation & 25 Years On. I only wish I had it on video? William From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Tue Dec 7 11:04:17 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 17:04:17 +0100 Subject: HW Video Footage In-Reply-To: <19991206205925.LRLX29207.t21mta01-app.talk21.com@t21mtaV-l rs> Message-ID: At 20:56 6.12.1999 +0000, you wrote: >In the February 1993 'Record Collector' >(No.162) page 106, Dave Brock says that the BBC recorded about >half-an-hour at Dunstable for Silver Machine Its from Dunstable, 07.07.72 and was broadcasted a couple of weeks ago in the UK >and that Charisma actually made a video to accompany the >'Hawklords' album! The Uxbridge gig (24.11.78) was filmed Bernhard From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Dec 7 06:30:24 1999 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 03:30:24 PST Subject: BOC: Bad Channels Message-ID: Nick said....... >I like this soundtrack. The BOC tracks are decent, but Sykotic >Sinfoney (SP?????????????) really steals the show. Has anyone >ever heard anything else by these guys? Do they have any albums/EPs out? I love these 2 tracks myself. Ever since BC came out I've been searching for more Sykotic Sinfoney. Gotta love a band with a guitarist dressed as a nun that goes by the name of "Stanky Poozle". If anyone else knows more about this band, PLEASE let me know! (gee, that was alot to add Torgo, why not go back to lurking you ninny) Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos *********************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Tue Dec 7 04:50:57 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 03:50:57 -0600 Subject: HW: HW vs Voiceprint - who are the bastards Message-ID: I just got in touch with the people at Voiceprint. I'll be stocking their inventory here in a few weeks. I'll see what I can do about this problem. Just let me get in good with them first, ( a $500 order might do it), and I'll see what we can do about avoiding cutting up our CD's. There's got to be a better way. I might add this, SAVE all your reciepts on all Voiceprint purchases. Proof of purchase is a good start. Hang in there.... Hawkman From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 7 11:46:26 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 16:46:26 GMT Subject: Complete Live '79 Message-ID: Is it just mine or is the track indexing on the 2nd CD completely bolloxed? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 7 12:29:51 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 17:29:51 GMT Subject: Full Live '79 Message-ID: Any clues as to when this one was recorded? Are any of the tracks the same version as the original Live '79? FoFP From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Tue Dec 7 18:19:29 1999 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 00:19:29 +0100 Subject: preview hawkwind weird tapes CD COVERS In-Reply-To: <199912071606.RAA02236@mail.home.ins.de> Message-ID: hello if you want to see the previews of the frontcovers for the weird cd's go to mark wilkinson's site http://www.prima.net/amcintosh/something.htm then click on hawkwind and you see 7 brilliant covers. they look great and i must say i appriciate his artwork for marillion and fish too. now we have to wait for the cd's. hmm ..... how long will that be. regards andre From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Wed Dec 8 01:41:30 1999 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 23:41:30 -0700 Subject: preview hawkwind weird tapes CD COVERS Message-ID: Nice job!!! I liked those!! When are these to be released??? Pam cosmos wrote: > hello > if you want to see the previews of the frontcovers for the weird cd's > go to mark wilkinson's site http://www.prima.net/amcintosh/something.htm > then click on hawkwind and you see 7 brilliant covers. > > they look great and i must say i appriciate his artwork for marillion and > fish too. > > now we have to wait for the cd's. > hmm ..... how long will that be. > > regards > > andre -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace > I love these 2 tracks myself. Ever since BC came out I've been searching for > more Sykotic Sinfoney. Maybe if they're still around, Al B. should think about adding them to the Cellsum label. Yours thinking wishfully, -- Nick From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Dec 8 04:38:12 1999 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 01:38:12 PST Subject: HW: HW vs Voiceprint - who are the bastards Message-ID: >From: Stephan Spiegel >I just got in touch with the people at Voiceprint. >I'll be stocking their inventory here in a few weeks. >Hawkman Question: Does this mean you'll be able to reliably get all the Canterbury Scene stuff etc that Voiceprint UK do, like Terry Oldfield, Kvein Ayers, Mike Bedford, Arthur Brown and the rest? If so, could you ship to the UK?? Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 8 05:16:02 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:16:02 GMT Subject: HW Video Footage In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Tue, 7 Dec 1999 17:04:17 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > At 20:56 6.12.1999 +0000, you wrote: > > >In the February 1993 'Record Collector' > >(No.162) page 106, Dave Brock says that the BBC recorded about > >half-an-hour at Dunstable for Silver Machine > > Its from Dunstable, 07.07.72 and was broadcasted a couple of weeks ago in > the UK Fair enough, that fits Jill's analysis pretty perfectly. I'll update my "live dates" file accordingly. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 7 10:21:51 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 15:21:51 GMT Subject: HW Video Footage In-Reply-To: Michael Crook's message of Mon, 6 Dec 1999 20:56:11 GMT Message-ID: Michael Crook writes: > Hi I knew I'd seen it somewhere - I've just spent ages looking for the > right interview. In the February 1993 'Record Collector' > (No.162) page 106, Dave Brock says that the BBC recorded about > half-an-hour at Dunstable for Silver Machine According to Bernhard's list that would be 7/7/72. That might fit the Brian Matthews recording of Silver Machine better than Maida Vale on 2/8/72 Thoughts? Adrian? Bernhard? Jill did some research based on other tracks on that Transcription disc: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OK - here are the research results so far: BEE GEES 1971 Aug 7th: Bee Gees reform and produce ballad 'How Can You Mend a Broken Heart' which achieves no.53 chart success by Nov 20th. 1972 Feb: They appear on ITV "The Golden Shot" and write another hit 'My World'. It enters the charts on 29 Jan and is around for 9 weeks Aug: The next song 'Run To Me' enters the charts on 22 July and is around for 10 weeks. Sept - March 1973: Chart success in US only 1973 June 24th: Live performance at London Palladium HAWKWIND 1971 Aug: Lemmy joins Oct: 'In Search of Space' reaches no.18 1972 Feb: Greasy Truckers Party - 1st top billing event 1 July: 'Silver Machine' enters charts and is around for 15 weeks. The main chart rise starts in Aug and its highest position is no.3 Dec: 'Doremi' album reaches no.14 in charts. Space Ritual begins a 30 date tour. 1973 June: 'Space Ritual Alive' album reaches no. 9 Aug: DikMik finally leaves. 'Urban Guerilla' enters charts on 11th Aug for 3 weeks before being withdrawn Nov: US debut in New York WINGS 1971 Nov: Wings formed. 1st album launched on 8 Nov. Critics hate it but it charts at no.11 in Dec. 1972 Feb: Group tours Colleges to gain experience offering to play one off gigs in student halls Feb 22: Single 'Give Ireland Back to the Irish' enters the charts. It reaches no.8 by April 8 although banned by BBC and IBA May 27: Single 'Mary Had a Little Lamb' enters the charts. It reaches no.9 by June July 9: Wings formal debut at Chateauvilleon, France starts a European tour. McCartneys arrested in Sweden for possession. Sept: Arrested again at home in Scotland Dec 9: Single 'Hi Hi Hi' enters charts and is banned by BBC in Jan 1973 1973: Very busy during rest of this year with recording and performance THE PRETTY THINGS 1971 Jun: Group splits Nov: reforms 1973 The band tours in the US no singles issued so no information available about chart success MARY WELLS 1972 Jul 8: Single 'My Guy' reissue enters UK charts. It stays for 10 weeks reaching max no.14 no futher info. SUMMARY The recording cannot have been made prior to Nov 1971 since neither Wings nor The Pretty Things were in existence then. It is unlikely to be later than mid Oct 1972 since 'My Guy' (Mary Wells) had fallen out of the charts by then. Wings were touring Europe from 9 July 1972 but had returned by September. Hawkwind's 'Doremi' was issued in Nov 1972 according to Brian Tawn (In Search of Space was Oct 1971) so was still at the discussion stage when 'Silver Machine' was charting. The band was touring from Dec onwards. There are two possible suggestions as I see it: EITHER just prior to July 8/9 before Wings started their tour and both Mary Kelly and Hawkwind would be promoting new releases. The Bee Gees would still be working with their previous hit of "My World" since "Run To Me" didn't start a chart rise until 22 July. OR: Late Aug/mid Sept after Wings had finished their tour. Both Mary Kelly and Hawkwind would have had singles at the peak of their success and Hawkwind's new album would be close to its release date - but I would have expected the Bee Gees to be playing "Run To Me". If you need to narrow the chart positions down further the best place would be Record Collector for July 1997 Aug 1997 or Sept 1997 since there is a section at the back entitled "25 Years Ago" where they list the top 20 hits from that month 25 years earlier. Unfortunately I don't have these! cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Wed Dec 8 05:33:28 1999 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 11:33:28 +0100 Subject: AW: HW Video Footage Message-ID: Hi there >According to Bernhard's list that would be 7/7/72. That might fit the >Brian Matthews recording of Silver Machine better than Maida Vale on >2/8/72 >Thoughts? Adrian? Bernhard? SILVER MACHINE and BRAINSTORM (to find on the DAWN OF HAWKWIND bootleg) are from the Maida Vale session on 02.08.72 AFAIK Bernhard From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Dec 8 06:20:54 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 11:20:54 -0000 Subject: Huw track on Classic Rock freebie CD Message-ID: This months free CD contains a track from the latest release from Huw. The mag also contains a, favourable , review of the CD. A HW fan is featured in this months reader's record collection slot. This mag keeps getting better. Floyd featured too.....more on the Waters/Gilmore love match. Roger up on points so far. Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Dec 8 06:27:03 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 11:27:03 -0000 Subject: AW: HW Video Footage Message-ID: Thirty minutes recorded, five minutes broadcast. Where's the rest? Dave -----Original Message----- From: Pospiech, Bernhard To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 08 December 1999 10:34 Subject: AW: HW Video Footage >Hi there > > > > >According to Bernhard's list that would be 7/7/72. That might fit >the > >Brian Matthews recording of Silver Machine better than Maida Vale >on > >2/8/72 > > >Thoughts? Adrian? Bernhard? > > SILVER MACHINE and BRAINSTORM (to find on the DAWN OF HAWKWIND >bootleg) > are from the Maida Vale session on 02.08.72 AFAIK > > > Bernhard > From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Dec 8 06:33:22 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 11:33:22 -0000 Subject: preview hawkwind weird tapes CD COVERS Message-ID: Brilliant covers...carrying on the tradition of the book covers and ASAM. What's on the CDs and how do they differ from the tapes? Dave -----Original Message----- From: cosmos To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 08 December 1999 06:29 Subject: preview hawkwind weird tapes CD COVERS >hello >if you want to see the previews of the frontcovers for the weird cd's >go to mark wilkinson's site http://www.prima.net/amcintosh/something.htm >then click on hawkwind and you see 7 brilliant covers. > >they look great and i must say i appriciate his artwork for marillion and >fish too. > >now we have to wait for the cd's. >hmm ..... how long will that be. > >regards > >andre > From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Wed Dec 8 06:36:51 1999 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 12:36:51 +0100 Subject: AW: AW: HW Video Footage Message-ID: >Thirty minutes recorded, five minutes broadcast. Where's the rest? Easy answer: In the vaults of the BBC Bernhard From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 8 06:38:01 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 11:38:01 GMT Subject: AW: HW Video Footage In-Reply-To: Pospiech, Bernhard's message of Wed, 8 Dec 1999 11:33:28 +0100 Message-ID: Pospiech, Bernhard writes: > Hi there > > > > >According to Bernhard's list that would be 7/7/72. That might fit > the > >Brian Matthews recording of Silver Machine better than Maida Vale > on > >2/8/72 > > >Thoughts? Adrian? Bernhard? > > SILVER MACHINE and BRAINSTORM (to find on the DAWN OF HAWKWIND > bootleg) > are from the Maida Vale session on 02.08.72 AFAIK That was concluded from Jill's original research on the other items on the Brian Matthews disk (see other message for details). However the 7/7/72 gig would fit this much better and now we know some of it was recorded by the BBC. The "Silver Machine" track on Brian Matthews may be the version played for the Top of the Pops video which was then overdubbed with the actual single version for the TV show. > Bernhard FoFP From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK Wed Dec 8 09:24:23 1999 From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (David Bottomley) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 14:24:23 -0000 Subject: HW: Complete '79 Message-ID: Well, I've just received Complete Live '79 and, whilst it's great to have these tracks after all this time, I've got to admit to being mightily disappointed by the sound quality. I guess I was expecting something comparable with the original ..... As someone (sorry, can't remember who) pointed out earlier, this is clearly from a different gig to Live '79...apart from maybe Shot Down in the Night. Is it just me or is the Complete '79 version identical to the Live '79 (albeit a different mix & infinitely inferior sound quality)? The other tracks in common are clearly different versions, but SDitN seems too close to be a coincidence. If that's the case, one of the two CDs has to be a composite of (at least) 2 gigs. Whilst I'm on this subject, has anyone else noticed that the supposed single edit of Shot Down on the epocheclipse 3CD set isn't the single edit at all (which *can* be found on the Spectrum 'Silver Machine' comp)? It's a completely different, and new (to me), edit with longer intro & a shorter solo. Time to shed that anorak, I think... :-) DaveB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Wed Dec 8 13:42:08 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 12:42:08 -0600 Subject: HW: HW vs Voiceprint - who are the bastards Message-ID: >>From: Stephan Spiegel >>I just got in touch with the people at Voiceprint. >>I'll be stocking their inventory here in a few weeks. >>Hawkman > >Question: Does this mean you'll be able to reliably get all the Canterbury >Scene stuff etc that Voiceprint UK do, like Terry Oldfield, Kvein Ayers, >Mike Bedford, Arthur Brown and the rest? > >If so, could you ship to the UK?? Yes. Keep checking the web site for more details. I'll special order anything from the company. As of right now the only released CD's are Greasy Glastonbury, and Vol 1 and Vol 2. The rest are slated for release sometime next year (early I hope) Hawkman From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Wed Dec 8 15:44:44 1999 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 20:44:44 -0000 Subject: AW: AW: HW Video Footage Message-ID: One would certainly hope so, but the BBC did have a nasty habit of throwing away valuable footage in the '70s. Ask any Dr. Who fan. Nick > Easy answer: In the vaults of the BBC > > > > Bernhard From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE Wed Dec 8 17:01:11 1999 From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:01:11 +0100 Subject: AW: AW: HW Video Footage Message-ID: Nick Lee wrote: > > One would certainly hope so, but the BBC did have a nasty habit of throwing > away valuable footage in the '70s. Ask any Dr. Who fan. IIRC I read something about their "lost" footage in the SFX magazine some time ago (in an Dr. Who article :-). The article stated that BBC's film archive burned down some years ago and with it most of its content. I can't believe that the BBC throws away any archive material intentionally. D-R -- "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" Hassan I Sabbah www.d-rider.de From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Wed Dec 8 18:32:55 1999 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:32:55 -0000 Subject: AW: AW: HW Video Footage Message-ID: > >IIRC I read something about their "lost" footage in the SFX magazine >some time ago (in an Dr. Who article :-). The article stated that BBC's >film archive burned down some years ago and with it most of its >content. I can't believe that the BBC throws away any archive >material intentionally. The BBC, not realising the future value of such material, did indeed destroy large quantities of black and white footage, quite deliberately. Quite a large amount of colour footage was also destroyed. In more recent years they have put a lot of effort into replacing such material, often by re-acquiring it from overseas sales. Both colour and b/w Dr. Who was lost this way. The BBC not so long showed a season of 'lost' Steptoe & Son episodes which had been re-discovered. Nick From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Dec 8 15:46:08 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 20:46:08 +0000 Subject: AW: AW: HW Video Footage In-Reply-To: <043D0206B66DD311BC2500600878D9362DB882@VEG12_EXCH> Message-ID: At 12:36 08.12.1999 +0100, Bernhard wrote: > >Thirty minutes recorded, five minutes broadcast. Where's the rest? > > Easy answer: In the vaults of the BBC > Possible, but don't bet your house on it given the amount of priceless archive material that's been trashed over the years by unthinking bean-counters (e.g. early Dr. Who episodes). Despairingly Yours, ChrisW "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From CCollins54 at AOL.COM Wed Dec 8 22:46:40 1999 From: CCollins54 at AOL.COM (CCollins54 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 22:46:40 EST Subject: Vinyl collection for sale Message-ID: I would like to sell my whole vinyl collection. The albums that I have are all in good condition. I have almost every Hawkwind album. If possible, I would like to sell them all at once. They are virtually brand new (including many different groups). Most of my records have been played once to record them on cassette and never played again. The list is very long. Send me an e-mail to let me know what you are looking for to complete your Christmas "wish list". Peace and Love, Jim Collins From JOHN.GRAY at PRODIGY.NET Wed Dec 8 23:15:14 1999 From: JOHN.GRAY at PRODIGY.NET (JOHN M GRAY) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 20:15:14 -0800 Subject: Vinyl collection for sale Message-ID: Jim, Do you have: Bristol Custom Bike Show with poster Castle Masters Collection CML 3002 Hawklords 25 Years On CA 12203 (USA) Thanks, John Gray ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 7:46 PM Subject: Vinyl collection for sale > I would like to sell my whole vinyl collection. The albums that I have are > all in good condition. I have almost every Hawkwind album. If possible, I > would like to sell them all at once. They are virtually brand new (including > many different groups). Most of my records have been played once to record > them on cassette and never played again. > > The list is very long. Send me an e-mail to let me know what you are looking > for to complete your Christmas "wish list". > > Peace and Love, > > > Jim Collins From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE Thu Dec 9 05:04:57 1999 From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 11:04:57 +0100 Subject: AW: AW: HW Video Footage Message-ID: Nick Lee wrote: > The BBC, not realising the future value of such material, did indeed destroy > large quantities of black and white footage, quite deliberately. Quite a > large amount of colour footage was also destroyed. _That's_ called farsighted! D-R -- "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" Hassan I Sabbah www.d-rider.de From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Dec 9 06:28:45 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 07:28:45 EDT Subject: worst guitar solos In-Reply-To: <002601bf41fc$0bd78160$e0a3fea9@09yrk> Message-ID: Check this site for some pearls of wisdom: http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/top/solos/ theo From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Thu Dec 9 08:47:22 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans (aka Gekke Henkie)) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 14:47:22 +0100 Subject: worst guitar solos In-Reply-To: <29DE761F01@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: Op 9 Dec 99, om 7:28, Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 schreef: > Check this site for some pearls of wisdom: > > http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/top/solos/ I'm glad I'm totally unfammiliar with the top ten :-) --BArt From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Thu Dec 9 10:06:59 1999 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:06:59 -0000 Subject: HW: Press articles Message-ID: Hello! Does anyone have any of the recent articles on Hawkwind? i.e. Mojo, Classic Rock etc. The guy who is hopefully putting together a tour of New Zealand needs them for publicity etc. Any that could be e-mailed to him would be gratefully received. His e-mail is : hawkjohn at excite.co.uk Thanks DB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Dec 9 10:20:24 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:20:24 -0000 Subject: worst guitar solos Message-ID: Okay folks, own-up time, how many of these do you have in your collection. I'm admitting to: BOC Zep Floyd Yes Motorhead Summers and Fripp ....and er, Frampton I bought this second hand after listening to a mate rave about it (honest!) Those of you have a lot of poodle-perm, AOR/MOR, spandex, guitar shop, rock-lite shite in your record collections will be enraged by this. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 09 December 1999 12:30 Subject: worst guitar solos Check this site for some pearls of wisdom: http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/top/solos/ theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Dec 9 09:39:37 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 10:39:37 EDT Subject: worst guitar solos In-Reply-To: <001601bf4258$eb6fef40$391b883e@default> Message-ID: On 9 Dec 99 at 15:20, david hall wrote: > Okay folks, own-up time, how many of these do you have in your collection. > I'm admitting to: > BOC > Zep > Floyd > Yes > Motorhead > Summers and Fripp > ....and er, Frampton I bought this second hand after listening to a mate > rave about it (honest!) > Those of you have a lot of poodle-perm, AOR/MOR, spandex, guitar shop, > rock-lite shite in your record collections will be enraged by this. > Hell, most of my favorite gtr players get skewered by those dudes--and I laughed my ass off anyway. They are great writers, even if their favorite bands are radiohead and blur... theo From nexus at PANIX.COM Thu Dec 9 10:53:28 1999 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 10:53:28 -0500 Subject: worst guitar solos In-Reply-To: <001601bf4258$eb6fef40$391b883e@default> from "david hall" at Dec 9, 99 03:20:24 pm Message-ID: >Okay folks, own-up time, how many of these do you have in your collection. >I'm admitting to: >BOC >Zep >Floyd >Yes >Motorhead >Summers and Fripp >....and er, Frampton I bought this second hand after listening to a mate >rave about it (honest!) Well, if we must: 50. "Ace of Spades" by Motorhead 48. "Mandocello" by Cheap Trick (I think I have this but only on vinyl.) 44. "Cuts Like a Knife" by Bryan Adams (used vinyl) 43. "Comfortably Numb" by Pink Floyd 40. "I Love Rock 'N' Roll" by Joan Jett 39. "Dazed and Confused" by Led Zeppelin 38. "Burnin' for You" by the Blue Oyster Cult 35. "Magic Man" by Heart 32. "Sweet Jane" by Lou Reed 29. "Anastasia (Pulling Teeth)" by Metallica 17. "More Than a Feeling" by Boston 15. "Shooting Star" by Bad Company 13. "No One Like You" by the Scorpions 1. "Let It Rain" by Derek and the Dominos Bands represented, although not by the songs on the list: Kiss, Clash, Bowie, Byrds, Jeff Beck (via Yardbirds), Van Halen, AC/DC, Whitesnake (and I'll even say that the early Moody/Marsden Whitesnake was pretty damn good -- say everything before Slide it In.), Rush, Dave Mason, Zappa, Nugent, Foreigner. JB From bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET Thu Dec 9 12:38:44 1999 From: bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 12:38:44 -0500 Subject: worst guitar solos In-Reply-To: <2D0CFA579A@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: Theo wrote: >Hell, most of my favorite gtr players get skewered by those >dudes--and I laughed my ass off anyway. They are great writers, even >if their favorite bands are radiohead and blur... Yeah, I was wondering where all the bad solos by grungies, hair bands, new wave-ers, goths, punks (when there's a solo), and, um, space rock bands. I mean, where's Steve Vai for God's sake! ;-) That said, I did agree with quite a few solos on the list.... I didn't mind the guy saying BFY's solo wasn't great (though I do like it). But when he said BOC were band musicians, that's just wrong. Well...maybe *one* bad musician. I won't say who. Brian From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Dec 9 12:17:21 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:17:21 EDT Subject: worst guitar solos In-Reply-To: <4.1.19991209123206.00959e80@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: On 9 Dec 99 at 12:38, Brian Halligan wrote: > Theo wrote: > >Hell, most of my favorite gtr players get skewered by those > >dudes--and I laughed my ass off anyway. They are great writers, even > >if their favorite bands are radiohead and blur... > > Yeah, I was wondering where all the bad solos by grungies, hair bands, new > wave-ers, goths, punks (when there's a solo), and, um, space rock bands. I > mean, where's Steve Vai for God's sake! ;-) That said, I did agree with > quite a few solos on the list.... > In the intro, they said they left off Vai on purpose because they weren't sure he was a rock player! Then, of course, they mention Holdsworth and Zappa! Still, well worth reading... > I didn't mind the guy saying BFY's solo wasn't great (though I do like it). > But when he said BOC were band musicians, that's just wrong. Well...maybe > *one* bad musician. I won't say who. > Personally, I find BFY one of BD's worst solos. Still, they praise BOC for their 'sartorial' presence. Can't hate that. I well remember BD's white leisure suit, as well as his spaceman costume, EB's leather bathrobe, AB's liederhosen [sp?]--ah it goes on forever... But Joe and AL always dressed cool... theo From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Dec 9 13:39:07 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:39:07 EST Subject: worst guitar solos Message-ID: In a message dated 12/9/99 10:40:17 AM, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: << > Okay folks, own-up time, how many of these do you have in your collection. >> ============= HAVE I NOW, OR HAVE I EVER HAD: 50. motorhead "ace of spades". well duh. ^_~ 49. clash "capitol radio" tossoff song on a giveaway ep (??), originally. dont have it anymore. 45. bowie "she shook me cold". ronson as page/clapton, as they improvise a la cream. bowie as zep on this,what he called his "hashish album". classic for aging stoners. >exactly< the sort of song a young'n w/a 'tude would knock. 39. zep "dazed and confused"...currently i have it on assorted boot zep tapes.; it was pretty rockin' live in '69, but those noxious 25-30 min versions...shudder 36. byrds "capt. soul" the least song on a great lp. it's true, though: they couldnt rock, per se. 32. lou reed "sweet jane" ** i had it when i was 16; never did quite like it,got rid of it, would go on to loathe it. guitarists for hire on the loose. and that's it for me. i expected to see mark farner from "locomotion" on the list, m'self... oh,and aint it a rush to dis the previous era? hmmm...something oddly familiar about that... "<>" ATTEMPTED HYPERLINK FOLLOWS...that's the place. Pitchforkmedia.com From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Dec 9 16:22:58 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 16:22:58 EST Subject: "Space Does Not Care" Set-list 11/4/99 Message-ID: Space Does Not Care" airs every Sat evening from 5-8pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list, or instructions on how to listen on web-radio, e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks. NOTE: The above time is no longer valid for a couple of months to come, due to KUCR's televising of basketball games during my set!! Will try to keep you posted on new times... 1.Escapade--Understanding All or Some (Citrus Cloud Cover)\ 2.Spaceship Eyes--Ascian Ascending (Through the Eyes of a Spaceship) 3.Amanita--Visionary States (Serenity) 4.Space Explosion--Space Explosion (Space Explosion) 5.Tangle Edge--Spirea/Durra Durra (Tarka) 6.Ozric Tentacles--Shards of Ice (Tantric Obstacles) 7.Levitation--Jay (World Around EP) 8.Hawkwind--The Island (Zones) 9.Marillion--Hotel Hobbies/Warm Wet Circles/That Time of the Night (Clutching at Straws) 10.Skyclad--Womb of the Worm (Prince of the Poverty Line) 11.Pop Will Eat Itself--Devil Inside (Now for a Feast) 12. " " --Orgone Accumulator (Now for a Feast) 13.Robert Calvert--Ground Control to Pilot/Ejection (Capt. Lockheed and the Starfighters) 14.Mirza--The Path is White Clouds (Iron Compass Flux) 15.Frank Zappa--The Purple Lagoon (In New York) 16.Gong--Other Side of the Sky (Angel's Egg) 17.Amon Duul II--Nasi Goreng (Utopia) 18.Alien Planetscapes--Soft Martian (Life on Earth) 19.Hawkwind--Urban Guerilla (7", Roadhawks, Stasis, etc.) 20.Hawkwind--Assassins of Allah (California Brainstorm) The Orb--A Huge Ever Growing Pulsating Brain that Rules from the Centre of the Ultraworld (Live '93) <---last 5 minutes unfortunately cut off due to preparation for basketball game> Thanks, Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Dec 9 16:50:41 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 16:50:41 EST Subject: OFF: Where's Krazy Khristian?/Mooseheart Faith Message-ID: Subject: FS: Contemporary psychedelia on CD From: "Chris Williams" chris-williams at etherea l37.freeserve.co.uk Date: Thu, 09 December 1999 04:44 AM EST Message-id: <82nttp$17j$3 at newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> Please e-mail me if you are interested in any of the below. Prices are GBP. Postage is extra. All items are M/M unless otherwise stated. CD Mooseheart Faith - Magic Square Of The Sun (Stellar) (EX/M) 5.50 CD Mooseheart Faith - Cosmic Dialogues (September Gurls) 6.00 CD Mooseheart Faith - Global Brain (September Gurls) 6.00 Hey, Mr. Mumford--I remember your asking about this group a while ago. I don't know if this guy's honest yet, but I'm trying to order some stuff, so we'll see... I haven't seen Chris post here in a while, but I know he does artwork for Aural Innovations, so maybe you guys know his whereabouts. Chuck From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Dec 9 19:09:31 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:09:31 -0500 Subject: OFF: Where's Krazy Khristian?/Mooseheart Faith Message-ID: Chuck forwarded... >Subject: FS: Contemporary psychedelia on CD >From: "Chris Williams" HREF= >chris-williams at ethereal37.freeserve.co.uk >Please e-mail me if you are interested in any of the below. Prices are GBP. >Postage is extra. All items are M/M unless otherwise stated. > >CD Mooseheart Faith - Magic Square Of The Sun (Stellar) (EX/M) 5.50 >CD Mooseheart Faith - Cosmic Dialogues (September Gurls) 6.00 >CD Mooseheart Faith - Global Brain (September Gurls) 6.00 This last one's really good...dunno about the udders. >Hey, Mr. Mumford--I remember your asking about this group a while ago. I >don't know if this guy's honest yet, but I'm trying to order some stuff, >so we'll see...I haven't seen Chris post here in a while, but I know he does >artwork for Aural Innovations, so maybe you guys know his whereabouts. Chuck I think I've bought some stuff from this guy before (he's in Wales IIRC)....he came through just fine. In fact, he was very easy to deal with. Christian's around, aren't you? I certainly hope we'll have a fine Y2K cover for y'all. :) Oh, BTW, Chuck, could you send me (personally) Chris' entire list? There might be some things I want to order from him again. (Where did you see it?) And did you get the CD I sent? Thought it might be good fodder for yer ever-shifting, but ever-so-awesome radio show. (What was the sudden Marillion fetish?) :) Keith H. (FAA) NP: Abunai-the Mystic River Sound P.S. Chuck...you know any of the Mooseheart's personally? From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Thu Dec 9 19:25:49 1999 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:25:49 EST Subject: worst guitar solos Message-ID: worst guitar solos? how about: anything by jimmy page after physical graffitti any steve howe in the '80's any yngwie malmsteen anything anywhere anytime lemmy's 2 motorhead guitar solos (trivia corner: can you name them?) neil young's single note marathons (i know less is more, but come on...after the first 30 sec.s i'm running for the dial...) eric clapton's sterilization of the blues tommy bolin's butchery of blackmore's signature lines in highway star (see: 'last concert in japan') ok rmayo From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Thu Dec 9 19:30:19 1999 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:30:19 EST Subject: worst guitar solos Message-ID: In a message dated 12/9/99 4:27:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, RMayo19761 at AOL.COM writes: << eric clapton's sterilization of the blues >> this comment about clapton...your being much too kind.... bob Hawkwind: Time & Space Website http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html From hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU Thu Dec 9 19:49:15 1999 From: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU (Thomas Rickert) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:49:15 -0600 Subject: worst guitar solos Message-ID: Really, now. Picking on Page, Young, or Howe--some of the greatest and most interesting guitarists going, even if not terribly cutting edge anymore--is kinda pointless. More a matter of (personal) taste than aesthetics. ... though, I gotta hand it to you on the Yngwie barb. There's taste, there's aesthetics, and then their is unlistenable wank. Best, Thomas "Robert C. Mayo" wrote: > worst guitar solos? how about: > anything by jimmy page after physical graffitti > any steve howe in the '80's > any yngwie malmsteen anything anywhere anytime > lemmy's 2 motorhead guitar solos (trivia corner: can you name them?) > neil young's single note marathons (i know less is more, but come on...after > the first 30 sec.s i'm running for the dial...) > eric clapton's sterilization of the blues > tommy bolin's butchery of blackmore's signature lines in highway star (see: > 'last concert in japan') > ok > rmayo From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Dec 9 20:43:46 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 20:43:46 EST Subject: OFF: Space/Psyche for sale from Chris Williams Message-ID: From: "Chris Williams" chris-williams at etherea l37.freeserve.co.uk Date: Thu, 09 December 1999 04:46 AM EST Message-id: <82nttr$17j$4 at newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> Please e-mail me if you are interested in any of the below. Prices are GBP. Postage is extra. All items are M/M unless otherwise stated. LP Big Brother Feat. Ernie Joseph - Confusion (Akarma) 9.00 LP Birmingham Sunday - A Message From... (Akarma) 9.00 LP Brainticket - Cottonwood Hill (Bellaphon) 5.00 LP Brainticket - Psychonaut (Bellaphon) 5.00 LP Christopher - Christopher (Akarma) 9.00 LP V/A - Hot Nips Vol. 1 (Dolemite) 4.00 LP V/A - Hot Nips Vol. 2 (Dolemite) 4.00 LP Igra Staklenih Perli - Soft Explosion Live (Kalemegdan Disk) 8.50 LP 101 Strings - Astro-Sounds From Beyond The Year 2000 3.50 LP V/A - Psychedelic Voyage Vol. 1 (No label) 5.50 LP V/A - Psychedelic Voyage Vol. 2 (No label) 5.50 2?7" Saturday's Children - Saturday's Children (Sundazed) 1.50 Please e-mail me if you are interested in any of the below. Prices are GBP. Postage is extra. All items are M/M unless otherwise stated. 7" Atman - Theatre Of Sound EP (Obuh) 3.00 LP Masaki Batoh - Kikaokubeshi (The Now Sound) 4.00 12" Bevis Frond - Ear Song (Reckless) (with photo) 2.50 LP Bevis And Twink - Magic Eye (Woronzow) 4.50 7" Bevis Frond - Summer Holiday EP (Woronzow) 3.00 7" Bevis Frond - Sociopath (Musical Tragedies) (coloured shaped vinyl) 4.00 LP V/A - Beyond The Wildwood (Imaginary) (Syd Barrett tribute) 3.50 7" Dark Sun - Song The Seaman's Bane (Metamorphos) 1.50 LP Dunwich - Sul Monte ? Il Tuono (Black Widow) 5.00 LP Dunwich - Il Chiarore Sorge Due Volte (Pick Up) (pic. disc) 5.00 LP Echo Tattoo - Echo Tattoo (Studio II) (w. insert) 5.50 7" Farflung - Vision Of Infinty (Big Jesus) (clear vinyl / sleeve) 3.00 7" Farflung - The Way The Sky Is (Big Jesus) (silver vinyl / bag) 3.00 LP Flyte Reaction - Strawberry Lip Salvation (Splendid) 7.00 LP Flyte Reaction - Spectral Footwear (Splendid) 7.00 LP Flyte Reaction - Create A Smile (Splendid) 5.00 LP Frolic Froth - Ouroboros (W-Diablu) (w. poster) 8.00 12" Hawkwind - Spirit Of The Age Solstice Remixes (4 Real) 2.00 LP Howth Castle - Rust Of Keys (Inisheer) (VG++/M) 5.00 LP Howth Castle - Good Morning Mr. Nobody (Father Yod) 3.00 LP Humus - Malleus Crease (W-Diablu) (w. 3 posters) 8.00 LP Jack Of All Trades - Same (Pegasus) (w. insert) 3.00 7" Jessamine - Your Head Is So Small... (Sub Pop) 2.50 LP Tom Kazas - Saint Or Fool (Hitch Hyke) (white vinyl) 3.00 LP Liquid Sound Company - Exploring The Psychedelic (Rockadelic) 7.50 LP Mandragora - Over The Moon (Babble On) (2nd press, auto'd) 8.00 7" Mary Jane - Isle Of Wight (September Gurls) (blue vinyl) 1.00 2LP ST Mikael - Soul Flower (Xotic Mind) 10.00 2LP Mike Gunn - Almaron (September Gurls) 5.50 LP Mike Gunn - A Dream About Jim (September Gurls) (10" LP) 3.00 shp Monster Magnet - Megasonic Teenage Warhead (A&M) 1.50 12" Monster Magnet - Twin Earth (A&M) (etched disc) 1.50 2LP Monster Magnet - Dopes To Infinity (A&M) 4.50 2LP Mooseheart Faith - Magic Square Of The Sun (September Gurls) 6.50 2LP Mooseheart Faith - Coronal Mass Ejection (September Gurls) 6.00 LP Petals - Parahelion (November Rain) (w. insert) 4.00 12" Poisoned Electrick Head - Out Of Order (Abstract Sounds) 2.00 LP Porcupine Tree - Staircase Infinities (Lazy Eye) (10" LP) 8.00 2LP Porcupine Tree - Metanoia (Chromatic) (10" LPs, ltd. To 500) 10.00 7" Nick Riff - Mystified (Sonic Swirl) (blue vinyl) 1.50 7" Nick Riff - Sublime Prescription (Sonic Swirl) 1.00 LP Saddar Bazaar - The Conference Of The Birds (Delerium) 3.00 7" Saddar Bazaar - Arabesque (Enraptured) 1.50 7" Saddar Bazaar - Sarmadi Express (Enraptured) 1.50 7" Saddar Bazaar - Longhair (Hash) 1.00 7" Smell Of Incense - Smell Of Incense (September Gurls) 2.00 7" Smell Of Incense - If Not This Time (September Gurls) 2.00 LP Smell Of Incense - All Mimsy... (Colours) (EX/M) 8.00 10" Smell Of Incense - Split w. Ethereal Counterbalance (Sept. Gurls) 3.50 LP Solstice - Silent Dance (Equinox) (EX-/M) 11.00 LP Stefan - Consecration (Xotic Mind) 10.00 7" Submarine Prophets - Sing William Blake (Pale Idea) 1.50 12" Submarine Prophets - Hi-Lo (World Fluid) 2.50 LP Suicidal Flowers - The Final Arrangements (2nd press, white sleeve) 10.00 7" Sun Dial - Ghost Machine (Distortions) 2.00 LP Sweet And Honey - Live At Your Cosmic Mind (The Now Sound) 5.50 LP Thule - Natt (Colours) 8.00 LP Tribe Of Cro - Potlatch (Mushroom Runner) 5.00 7" White Heaven - Threshold Of The Pain (H.G. Fact) 2.50 LP Word Of Life - Dust (Xotic Mind) 10.00 Please e-mail me if you are interested in any of the below. Prices are GBP. Postage is extra. All items are M/M unless otherwise stated. CD Agitation Free - Fragments (Musique Intemporelle) 4.50 CD Amon D??l II - Vive La Trance (Mantra) 5.00 CD Andromeda - Andromeda (Green Tree / Repertoire) 9.00 CD Ant Trip Ceremony - 24 Hours (Collectables) 8.00 CD Art Of Lovin' / Velvet Night - 2-on-1 (Hipschaft) 4.50 CD Baroques - Purple Day (Distortions) 7.50 CD Beacon St. Union - Eyes Of / Clown Died (See For Miles) 7.00 CD Beau Brummels - Introducing (Sundazed) 7.50 CD Beau Brummels - Volume 2 (Sundazed) 7.50 CD Biglietto Per L'Inferno - Il Tempo Della Semina (Mellow) 4.50 CD J.D. Blackfoot - Tokala (Tokala) (Auto'd, 'Crazy Horse' Pt. 2) 4.00 CD J.D. Blackfoot - Ohio Dream (Tokala) (Auto'd, most recent) 3.50 CD Tim Blake - Crystal Machine (Mantra) 4.50 CD Blue Sandlewood Soap - Loring Park Love-Ins (Get Hip) 4.00 CD Byrds - Mr. Tambourine Man (Columbia) (no extra tracks) (EX/EX) 3.00 CD Cannabis - Joint Effort (Gear Fab) 8.00 CD Canterbury Fair - Canterbury Fair (Sundazed) 8.00 CD Chirco - Visitation (Gear Fab) 8.00 CD V/A - Echoes In Time 1+2 (Solar) 7.50 CD 49th Parallel - 49th Parallel (Flashback) 6.50 CD Garybaldi - Astrolabio (Fonitcetra) 6.50 CD Haymarket Square - Magic Lantern (LSD) 7.50 CD V/A - A Heavy Dose Of Lyte Psych (Arf! 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(Colours) 7.00 CD Sons Of Selina - Nour D'Oui (Delerium) 5.00 CD Spacious Mind - Organic Mind Solution (Garageland) 5.00 CD Nik Turner - Sphynx (Cleopatra) 4.00 CD Nik Turner - Prophets Of Time (Cleopatra) 6.00 2CD Nik Turner - Space Ritual (Cleopatra) 8.50 CD Nik Turner - Past Or Future? (Cleopatra) 6.50 CD TUU - One Thousand Years (SDV) 3.50 CD Vagtazo Halottkemek - Hammering At The Gates... (Alt. Tentacles) 5.50 CD White Heaven - Electric Cool Acid (Noon Disk) 7.00 From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Thu Dec 9 21:21:39 1999 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 21:21:39 EST Subject: worst guitar solos Message-ID: "...taste rather than aesthetics...": i respectfully diagree. page's chops have been shot since around 'in through the out door'. we probably agree that he is a truly great guitarist (and songw riter) per se, but as a soloist he's been a shadow of his former self for years. age (among other things...) does take it's toll. same for howe. it's uncomfortable to watch a player struggle (& fail) to play something that he himself has written and once performed brilliantly. but this is inevitable. time marches on... neil young, however, plays at the same level today as he always did. in this case i'll agree it's a matter of personal taste. ok rmayo From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Dec 9 21:46:25 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 21:46:25 -0500 Subject: worst guitar solos In-Reply-To: <0.36fe8ee7.2581bdb3@aol.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Dec 1999, Robert C. Mayo wrote: => years. age (among other things...) does take it's toll. same for howe. it's => uncomfortable to watch a player struggle (& fail) to play something that he => himself has written and once performed brilliantly. but this is inevitable. => time marches on... I saw Steve Howe play a solo gig, oh, it must've been 1994, in South Shields of all places (my home town!). He performed basically the same material as represented on his _Not Necessarily Acoustic_ live CD. If that's what he plays like when he's "lost it," I'd love to have heard him when he still "had it." (He sounded PLENTY GOOD to these ears.) (For a laff he played "My White Bicycle," but I don't know if it had the brilliance of his original rendition all those many years ago.:) Age does bring its benefits, though. Like knowing, finally, when not to play as many notes. I'm not a big Howe fan, but I did really enjoy that gig. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From CCollins54 at AOL.COM Thu Dec 9 22:33:30 1999 From: CCollins54 at AOL.COM (CCollins54 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:33:30 EST Subject: Vinyl collection for sale Message-ID: I have been overwhelmed by the number of requests for the Hawkwind and other vinyl I have. I am putting a list together and will post it to the net on friday. Peace and Love, Jim Collins From novadrive at HOME.COM Fri Dec 10 00:13:26 1999 From: novadrive at HOME.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:13:26 -0700 Subject: worst guitar solos In-Reply-To: <0.36fe8ee7.2581bdb3@aol.com> Message-ID: I respectfully disagree with your respectful disagreement. I saw Yes a few weeks ago and Steve impressed the hell out of me. And Jon Anderson's voice was as wonderful as ever. Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu < http://members.home.net/novadrive/> > > "...taste rather than aesthetics...": > > i respectfully diagree. > same for > howe. it's > uncomfortable to watch a player struggle (& fail) to play > something that he > himself has written and once performed brilliantly. but this is > inevitable. > time marches on... > ok > rmayo > From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Dec 10 03:59:10 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 08:59:10 -0000 Subject: worst guitar solos Message-ID: > > Yeah, I was wondering where all the bad solos by grungies, hair bands, new > wave-ers, goths, punks (when there's a solo), and, um, space rock bands. I > mean, where's Steve Vai for God's sake! ;-) Hmm. No Yngwie... :-) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 10 06:20:17 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 07:20:17 EDT Subject: worst guitar solos In-Reply-To: <0.36fe8ee7.2581bdb3@aol.com> Message-ID: On 9 Dec 99 at 21:21, Robert C. Mayo wrote: > "...taste rather than aesthetics...": > > i respectfully diagree. page's chops have been shot since around 'in through > the out door'. we probably agree that he is a truly great guitarist (and songw > riter) per se, but as a soloist he's been a shadow of his former self for > years. age (among other things...) does take it's toll. same for howe. it's > uncomfortable to watch a player struggle (& fail) to play something that he > himself has written and once performed brilliantly. but this is inevitable. > time marches on... > > neil young, however, plays at the same level today as he always did. in this > case i'll agree it's a matter of personal taste. > BD's playing [live, esp.] is better than ever, so I'd say time hasn't eroded his skills at all... theo From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Dec 10 07:21:31 1999 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 04:21:31 PST Subject: worst guitar solos Message-ID: >From: "Robert C. Mayo" > >"...taste rather than aesthetics...": > >i respectfully diagree. page's chops have been shot since around 'in >throughthe out door'. we probably agree that he is a truly great guitarist >(and songwriter) per se, but as a soloist he's been a shadow of his former >self for years. age (among other things...) does take it's toll. Jimmy Page has been an excellent songwriter, but his soloing has always been a little "forced". Whereas most of the solos where _musically_ beautiful and really tasty, his _technical_ ability hasn't been so good, almost as if he were primarily a composer but also a frustrated guitar player. To me he always sounded as if he knew exactly what he wanted to hear, but could never quite get his fingers to play quick enough or clean enough, when playing he almost sounded as if his fingers were tripping over themselves while trying to play everything he wanted them to play.... C. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Dec 10 07:49:56 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 07:49:56 EST Subject: best/worst guitar solos Message-ID: my favorite "bad" guitar solos: LOU REED "i heard her call my name" (VU "white light/white heat") GLEN BUXTON "living" (alice cooper "pretties for you") JAMES GURLEY "combination of the two" (lp "cheap thrills")==>> and everything else he did w/big bro. "<>" From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Fri Dec 10 08:48:18 1999 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 08:48:18 EST Subject: best/worst guitar solos Message-ID: lb, you forgot the greatest bad guitar solo ever: mark farner's on 'the locomotion'! c'mon! you love to hate it/hate that you love it. rmayo From tclark at PETRONET.NET Fri Dec 10 09:18:34 1999 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 08:18:34 -0600 Subject: best/worst guitar solos Message-ID: How 'bout Dr. Hook's "Cover of the Rolling Stone" From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Fri Dec 10 09:33:34 1999 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:33:34 EST Subject: worst guitar solos Message-ID: In a message dated 12/09/1999 8:22:56 PM Central Standard Time, RMayo19761 at AOL.COM writes: << neil young, however, plays at the same level today as he always did. >> Neil's never been a technician. He's has always been a feel player. And a great one at that! From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Dec 10 11:52:17 1999 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:52:17 -0500 Subject: worst guitar solos In-Reply-To: <19991210122131.38452.qmail@hotmail.com>; from beautiful_foot@HOTMAIL.COM on Fri, Dec 10, 1999 at 04:21:31AM -0800 Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 10, 1999 at 04:21:31AM -0800, Horse Whisperer wrote: > >i respectfully diagree. page's chops have been shot since around 'in > >throughthe out door'. > > Jimmy Page has been an excellent songwriter, but his soloing has always been > a little "forced". To which I can only respond: "No Quarter"! -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Microsoft Lego would have square pips. From timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Dec 10 14:06:17 1999 From: timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Tim Stephenson) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:06:17 -0000 Subject: worst guitar solos Message-ID: Anyone remember Wild Willy Barrett (and John Otway)? T From hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU Fri Dec 10 15:18:48 1999 From: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU (Thomas Rickert) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:18:48 -0600 Subject: worst guitar solos Message-ID: There is some truth to this. Page has discussed how he would keep solos that had mistakes if they captured the mood, the essence, had that edge. But there is more to it than this. Technical exellence doesn't preclude a certain amount of sloppiness _necessarily_. Page has talked about his style before, mentioning that some of his influences had a way of moving in and out of the beat, of falling out of key and rhythm, but then bringing it back in. Like a cat landing on its feet. This is the essence of his "tight but loose" style. And ultimately, this is a matter of taste more than aesthetics. I like that sloppiness. I think Page is a master of incorporating error and making it integral to the music. More often than not, it's the wrong note that is the most important note. For me, that is what rock is all about--that always-threatening-to-collapse mix of chaos and order. To be honest, truly technical players are so often also incredibly boring. Alex Lifeson, for example: a great player, sure, but he can't solo his way out of paper bag. It's studied and boring, with maybe a few exceptions. That's my taste, but I can defend it as a viable aesthetic. I'll take the Stooges over Rush any day. And Hawkwind over ELP or latter day Floyd (though maybe these aren't the best comparisons). Ultimately, to knock Page for not being a "clean" player kinda misses the point of what makes him a great guitarist, songwriter, and soloist. Horse Whisperer wrote: > Jimmy Page has been an excellent songwriter, but his soloing has always been > a little "forced". Whereas most of the solos where _musically_ beautiful > and really tasty, his _technical_ ability hasn't been so good, almost as if > he were primarily a composer but also a frustrated guitar player. To me he > always sounded as if he knew exactly what he wanted to hear, but could never > quite get his fingers to play quick enough or clean enough, when playing he > almost sounded as if his fingers were tripping over themselves while trying > to play everything he wanted them to play.... > > C. > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Fri Dec 10 16:57:18 1999 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:57:18 -0600 Subject: OFF: Re: worst guitar solos Message-ID: >From: Thomas Rickert >There is some truth to this. Page has discussed how he would keep solos that had >mistakes if they captured the mood, the essence, had that edge. > >But there is more to it than this. Technical exellence doesn't preclude a >certain amount of sloppiness _necessarily_. Page has talked about his style >before, mentioning that some of his influences had a way of moving in and out of >the beat, of falling out of key and rhythm, but then bringing it back in. Like a >cat landing on its feet. This is the essence of his "tight but loose" style. And >ultimately, this is a matter of taste more than aesthetics. I like that >sloppiness. I think Page is a master of incorporating error and making it >integral to the music. More often than not, it's the wrong note that is the most >important note. For me, that is what rock is all about--that >always-threatening-to-collapse mix of chaos and order. To be honest, truly >technical players are so often also incredibly boring. Alex Lifeson, for >example: a great player, sure, but he can't solo his way out of paper bag. It's >studied and boring, with maybe a few exceptions. I can agree to this to some extent, but I would argue that it depends on what type of a mistake it is. I personally like Page's style, but I think he is not that good technically.* There are a lot of times when he goes to hit a note and doesn't pick it or finger it cleanly, so that the note sounds weak, muffled, hurried, etc. To me, this detracts from the songs. I also agree that technical proficiency is not in itself enough, Lifeson being a prime example. However, the truly great guitar players combine both technical proficiency and feeling. A solo should complement a song and move it along, not be a separate entity. Too many guitar players think that solo means "time to show off how great I am". They end up with solos that have nothing to do with the song. Neil Yong's solo in Cinnamon Girl is infinitely better than this. That is why, to me, I will always consider David Gilmoure to be a better player than Eddie Van Halen, and Martin Barre to always be better than Yngwie Malmsteen, even though I enjoy listening to all of them. The ultimate guitar player is, of course, Ritchie Blackmore, who can play clean classical runs, smooth Eastern scales, down-and-dirty blues, and balls-out-rock with equal ease. Stevie Ray Vaughn and Jimi Hendrix aren't far behind in my book, either. Frank * "not that good" is relative. He is far better than I will ever be. ObTape: Hawkwind Caovers All, Volume I. -- And I can see the strong wind blowing the sun towards us. -- Brian Johnson, BBC Radio 3 ============================================================ Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 10 16:56:19 1999 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 21:56:19 +0000 Subject: worst guitar solos In-Reply-To: <0.36fe8ee7.2581bdb3@aol.com> Message-ID: At 02:21 10/12/99 , Robert C. Mayo wrote: > age (among other things...) does take it's toll. I've heard jazz musicians in their 60's who could play the ass off any rock musician you care to name. They've got a lifelong dedication to the music, and it shows. OK, age does have some effect, depending on how (un)lucky you are. Especially for classical musicians, who really do have to be at the edge of technical skills. But age shouldn't be an excuse for rock musicians, unless you're really looking at raw energy. Dave. Dave Berry, www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~daveb From daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 10 16:57:31 1999 From: daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 21:57:31 +0000 Subject: worst guitar solos In-Reply-To: <006301bf4345$a29150a0$640d883e@timsteph> Message-ID: At 19:06 10/12/99 , Tim Stephenson wrote: >Anyone remember Wild Willy Barrett (and John Otway)? Isn't mentioning these two geniuses in this thread kind of missing the point about them? Dave. ("...and there ain't no herpes in Milton Keynes...") Dave Berry, www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~daveb From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Dec 10 18:05:22 1999 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:05:22 PST Subject: worst guitar solos Message-ID: OK, now I'm just disgusted. Look, we ALL have different musical tastes, and I think that is just great. I like the fact that MY different musical tastes overlap with other people's musical tastes, yet never TOTALLY. Different strokes for different folks, variety is the spice of life, and all those other dog-eared and worn out clich?s. I just read the 50 WORST GUITAR SOLOS OF ALL TIME, and I have to say, in all honesty, that it was the single biggest piece of shit I ever had the pleasure of reading. Here's the link if you have not yet had the opportunity to sniff of this fetid lump, fresh off the business end of a warm and steamy one.......... http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/top/solos/ Why am I so creased about this? Do I think this writer is wrong about his opinions? Of course not, everyone is entitled to whatever opinion they like in my book. If he thinks these solos are horrible, hey that's just ducky with me. What makes me mad as it is obvious to me that this person has a beef with just about every band under the sun. He states the solo by the band that he has a problem with, and then proceeds to drag the mentioned band in general through the slime and muck. So he thinks "Burnin' for you" has a shitty guitar solo, well maybe it does. Who am I to say, I have trouble playing a fucking kazoo and slide whistle. I'm about as musically adept as Stephen Hawking in a body cast. But then he goes on to make each band look as bad as he can. Well, if BOC, for example, is so untalented then why is "Don't fear the reaper" not on the list as well. Whoops, can't name TWO songs by the same band and still get 49 other kicks to the ball-bag in on 49 other bands. I picture the writer as a bitter man of about 40 years old, still upset at the entire music industry because the band he played in when he was 15 never got picked up for a million dollar recording contract. Damn, he was sure that "Sex Nation" would make it to the top of the charts once they changed their name from "Pimp Slap (featuring Herman Menderchuk)". So now here is with a chance to make every single band HE ever heard of look bad, and he's jumping on the chance. It's like he went through all of his worn vinyl that his Mom found in the basement when she was cleaning for the garage sale, and decided he would finally get his licks in (no pun intended) on everyone that ever made a dime by trying to please a fickle music buying public. "I'll show them who can't play the guitar. I hate you, I hate you ALL!" (sigh) I shouldn't even give it a second thought, but I feel like venting so what the hell. I half expected to read something like......... ************************************ Sucky guitar solo #51- Robert Johnson- Cross Road Blues Whoever told Robert Johnson he knew anything about the blues? His inane pickings and string diddling is enough to make me want to plug my ears with my own violently removed pinky toes. His albums covers are really bad too. I mean, did you never see a Frank Frazetta cover on a Johnson album. And what's he recorded lately? Nothing. My dad liked him alot, and I just hate my dad. *I'LL* show you who won't amount anything dad!!!! *I'LL* show you who should cut his hair and get a job down to the K-mart!!!! *I'LL* show you ALL! ************************************* But, I should count my blessings. This pinhead has obviously never heard of a few of my favorite other bands besides BOC, and for that I am grateful. Had he HEARD of King's X he would undoubtedly have picked apart one of their songs that people have actually heard, probably "OVER MY HEAD" since it's pointless to dangle loogies in the face of a song that people don't know, let alone by a band that nobody knows. Not that I'm a hawkwind fan, mind you (I'm not), but if the writer had heard any Hawkwind, you can probably bet that a song of theirs would have made the top 50. But anyway, that's my petty rant of the day. Ahhhhh (deep breath), I feel much better now. I guess my point is just that you shouldn't give the entire restaurant a bad rating just because you got didn't like one thing they had on the menu. If you want to condemn a band and say "hey, these guys blow in a big way", then just say it dammit. Don't say "Here is a shitty guitar solo........... oh and the rest of this band's material sucks as well, so there.". Back to my lurking cave... and maybe that's not such a bad thing. Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos *********************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Dec 10 18:10:27 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:10:27 EST Subject: best/worst guitar solos Message-ID: In a message dated 12/10/99 8:49:35 AM, RMayo19761 at AOL.COM writes: << you forgot the greatest bad guitar solo ever: mark farner's on 'the locomotion'! c'mon! you love to hate it/hate that you love it. rmayo > ========== nah nah, those there are solos i =love= i did mention not seeing farner's solo in "locomotion" on that 'worst top 50' list yesterday. not "good/bad"....merely bad. at best, bad/humorous. "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Dec 10 18:22:50 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:22:50 EST Subject: worst guitar solos Message-ID: In a message dated 12/10/99 9:34:58 AM, Rocker22 at AOL.COM writes: << In a message dated 12/09/1999 8:22:56 PM Central Standard Time, RMayo19761 at AOL.COM writes: << neil young, however, plays at the same level today as he always did. >> Neil's never been a technician. He's has always been a feel player. And a great one at that! < >> ============ ah, neil young... i think of him as the last lead guitarist in a '60s american band who kept going all along, and is still capable of 'relevance.' well, if you >like< him, that is....yeah, i'm fogetting somebody. but take a look at the CSN part of this new CSNY. what a pal he is, to prop those geezers up. yeah, i've liked his electric guitar playing all along. unfortunately this has boiled down to two or three 'classic rock' hits on us fm radio...nnnggghhh... no more "southern man" EVER "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Dec 10 18:28:21 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:28:21 EST Subject: worst guitar solos Message-ID: In a message dated 12/10/99 4:59:53 PM, daveb at TARDIS.ED.AC.UK writes: << > age (among other things...) does take its toll. I've heard jazz musicians in their 60's who could play the ass off any rock musician you care to name. They've got a lifelong dedication to the music, and it shows. OK, age does have some effect, depending on how (un)lucky you are. Especially for classical musicians, who really do have to be at the edge of technical skills. But age shouldn't be an excuse for rock musicians, unless you're really looking at raw energy. Dave. Dave Berry, www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~daveb >> ================ i dont think the emphasis there was on 'age' but those 'other things'. "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Dec 10 18:40:50 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:40:50 EST Subject: worst guitar solos Message-ID: In a message dated 12/10/99 6:06:49 PM, drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM writes: << I picture the writer as a bitter man of about 40 years old, still upset at the entire music industry because the band he played in when he was 15 never got picked up for a million dollar recording contract. Damn, he was sure that "Sex Nation" would make it to the top of the charts once they changed their name from "Pimp Slap (featuring Herman Menderchuk)". So now here is with a chance to make every single band HE ever heard of look bad, and he's jumping on the chance. It's like he went through all of his worn vinyl that his Mom found in the basement when she was cleaning for the garage sale, and decided he would finally get his licks in (no pun intended) on everyone that ever made a dime by trying to please a fickle music buying public. "I'll show them who can't play the guitar. I hate you, I hate you ALL!">> ======== au contraire, doc. maybe? i wasnt the first to suggest it here, but i was thinking he was on the younger side, doing the equivalent of a '70s punk style attack on the music of his younger days, the kinda stuff he'd >have< to be hearing in his youth . although the scenario you described could be reworked to apply to >many< disaffected musicians, writers, musician/writers, etc etc etc etc. "they coulda been a contenda." and with so many of us around "that age" too, as suggested by the poll. heh "<42>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Dec 10 18:44:00 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:44:00 EST Subject: BOC: Fwd: No More Buck? asks adrian brevard Message-ID: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "adrian brevard" Subject: No More Buck? Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:59:38 EST Size: 1242 URL: From chris_baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Fri Dec 10 18:47:13 1999 From: chris_baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:47:13 -0800 Subject: worst guitar solos Message-ID: > Anyone remember Wild Willy Barrett (and John Otway)? I remember the song "Head butts". Pretty funny. Ever hear of Attilla the Stockbroker? While on the subject of bad guitar solos, how about _intentionally_ bad solos? I can think of a couple: Canyons of Your Mind - Bonzo Dog Band Woly Boly - Butthole Surfers And as for age/energy loss, I'd say Iggy Pop, who must be pushing 50, has more raw energy than all of Limp Bizkit and Blur combined. Chris Has anyone seen a magazine called _Bizarre_? Sex, Drugs, Rock&Roll and general strangeness. Excellent. From timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Dec 10 18:49:17 1999 From: timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Tim Stephenson) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 23:49:17 -0000 Subject: worst guitar solos Message-ID: >>Anyone remember Wild Willy Barrett (and John Otway)? >Isn't mentioning these two geniuses in this thread kind of missing the point about them? Agreed, but a couple of people referred to stuff 'they loved to hate'. Wild Willy's solos had to be heard to be disbelieved. It wasnt too bad til he tried to use more than one string...... or was it more than one finger :-) they were the best in their time. T From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Dec 10 21:06:48 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 21:06:48 -0500 Subject: worst guitar solos Message-ID: Larry correctly sussed I figure.... >>I picture the writer as a bitter man of about 40 years old, still upset at >>the entire music industry because the band he played in when he was 15 never >>got picked up for a million dollar recording contract. >======== >au contraire, doc. maybe? >i wasnt the first to suggest it here, but i was thinking he was on the >younger side, doing the equivalent of a '70s punk style attack on the music >of his younger days, the kinda stuff he'd >have< to be hearing in his youth . Yeah, take a second to peruse their list of the top 50 (or 100, I forget) albums of the decade of the 90s, and that'll tell you what sort of folks these be. Oh, so hip, they is. :) They really know how to expand their boundaries, lemme tell you! Almost as much as a spacerocker like meself. :) I wouldn't waste my time getting bent outta shape on this lot. Keith H. (FAA), currently trying to come up with my list of Top 10 of 1999 in the space-rock universe. From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Sat Dec 11 00:24:42 1999 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 00:24:42 EST Subject: worst guitar solos Message-ID: once again, i must respectfully disagree... >>This is the essence of his "tight but loose" style.<< this WAS the essence, etc.; i agree completely with your excellent description of page's style. this sloppy/dangerous/sound/style/attitude/swagger is what assured him not only guitar-hero status forever, but the everlasting respect of guitarists from every generation since, including me. but... >>ultimately, this is a matter of taste more than aesthetics.<< well, no... listen to him play, say, 'thank you', during his peak period, we've all heard it on II and various boots, or even seen it as-it-happened at the gig; and listen to him play it on that 'unplugged' thing he and plant did a few years back. he can't do it. hey, we can't expect the guy to be the same guitarist in his 50's as he was in his 20's, can we? is that realistic? my dad could kick up some dust in a brawl years ago, but, hey--that was then and this is now. anyway, i hope i'm not being perceived as picking on the guy, it's just reality and the persistence of time. i think he's one of the all time greats, but currently, he's just not up to it. well, gotta go. if i don't log off soon, dad'll kick my ass... rmayo From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Dec 11 08:36:16 1999 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 21:36:16 +0800 Subject: AW: HW Video Footage In-Reply-To: <043D0206B66DD311BC2500600878D9362DB882@VEG12_EXCH> Message-ID: > >Thirty minutes recorded, five minutes broadcast. Where's > the rest? > > Easy answer: In the vaults of the BBC > Hopefully NOT in the same location as a lot of early Doctor Who stories, ie destroyed! William From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Dec 11 08:42:47 1999 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 05:42:47 PST Subject: BOC: Buck and Brevard Message-ID: Before this gets any bigger.......... Adrian Brevard forwarded......... --------------------------------- Dude, just spent the past week in San Francisco...first day back in the office and they tell me Buck walked off stage and quit the band?? Oh the sheer horror...is this the end of BOC?? Sure you can find a guitarist but can you find a Buck?? NOT! Tell me something if ya know anything about it... ----------------------------------- Please don't let this rumor get out of control. This is the result of a well thought out practical joke. The parties responsible had no idea Mr. Brevard would fall for it in such a big way. :^) ***Buck has NOT, I repeat NOT left BOC!!!*** Back to lurking........ AND to let Mr. Brevard off the hook. Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos *********************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Dec 11 08:51:16 1999 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 21:51:16 +0800 Subject: AW: AW: HW Video Footage In-Reply-To: <384ED527.FAEE008F@unibw-muenchen.de> Message-ID: > Nick Lee wrote: > > > > One would certainly hope so, but the BBC did have a nasty habit > of throwing > > away valuable footage in the '70s. Ask any Dr. Who fan. > > IIRC I read something about their "lost" footage in the SFX magazine > some time ago (in an Dr. Who article :-). The article stated that BBC's > film archive burned down some years ago and with it most of its > content. I can't believe that the BBC throws away any archive > material intentionally. > But it's true! All of the material that used to be in the BBC Archives was intended for destruction, which is what happened. They weren't destroyed accidentally! William From dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET Sat Dec 11 14:01:00 1999 From: dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET (dhuggins) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 14:01:00 -0500 Subject: worst guitar solos In-Reply-To: <0.48ad8342.25833a1a@aol.com> Message-ID: Yeah, Page is/was(?) an excellent guitarist, haven't heard him recently though so I have to take your all's world for it. I do like his tight but loose style, actually, a lot more now than when I heard it in the 70's. I do recall someone telling me he was a session guitarist in the early/mid sixties, and was on a SIGNIFICANT percentage of the (states view) "British Invasion" bands' studio singles/albums. Maybe he got tired of playing by the book, and decided that he would let it all hang out and push his limits when he got his own band (besides the YBirds). With respect to age, I truly think (sans arthritis and the like) that any 50 year old can play as well as they did when they were 20, from a "technical" standpoint. It is just a matter of dedication and time spent. Do you honestly think that JP spends anywhere close to as much time on guitar as he did 25-30 years ago? I sure don't. With respect to "innovation", that is a more difficult one. What makes a rock guitarist stand out? A new, unique, or distinctive sound or style of play? Usually. Can they continue to be innovative beyond their intitial uniqueness? Thats hard to do over a long period of time. It's not the same measuring stick as with some other musical styles, but that's the way it is. Dave >>>This is the essence of his "tight but loose" style.<< > >this WAS the essence, etc.; i agree completely with your excellent >description of page's style. this >sloppy/dangerous/sound/style/attitude/swagger is what assured him not only >guitar-hero status forever, but the everlasting respect of guitarists from >every generation since, including me. but... > >>>ultimately, this is a matter of taste more than aesthetics.<< > >well, no... listen to him play, say, 'thank you', during his peak period, >we've all heard it on II and various boots, or even seen it as-it-happened at >the gig; and listen to him play it on that 'unplugged' thing he and plant did >a few years back. he can't do it. hey, we can't expect the guy to be the same >guitarist in his 50's as he was in his 20's, can we? is that realistic? my >dad could kick up some dust in a brawl years ago, but, hey--that was then and >this is now. > >anyway, i hope i'm not being perceived as picking on the guy, it's just >reality and the persistence of time. i think he's one of the all time greats, >but currently, he's just not up to it. > >well, gotta go. if i don't log off soon, dad'll kick my ass... >rmayo From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Dec 11 14:14:58 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 19:14:58 +0000 Subject: BOC: Bad Channels In-Reply-To: <199912061430.JAA09337@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, wrote: > > Whilst out Christmas shopping today and therefore taking a minute to > > check out the racks at Virgin...............New in and with a different > > cover .... 'Bad Channels'. > > I like this soundtrack. The BOC tracks are decent, but Sykotic > Sinfoney (SP?????????????) really steals the show. Has anyone ever > heard anything else by these guys? Do they have any albums/EPs out? Similarly, spotted this in HMV Cambridge yesterday, but couldn't buy it because of money :-( Did the original release have the `score' by BOC too? I don't remember it when I last saw a copy (when I was *also* skint), but that was some time ago, and if it wasn't tracklisted separately I might have missed it... It's some 15 separate bits and it seemed to add up to no more than fifteen minutes or so, but it looked, um, interesting. Anyone care to offer a judgement? Yours, Jon From CCollins54 at AOL.COM Sat Dec 11 16:00:00 1999 From: CCollins54 at AOL.COM (CCollins54 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:00:00 EST Subject: Vinyl collection for sale Message-ID: If anyone is interested in receiving a copy of the vinyl list, please e-mail and I will send it to you. Peace and Love, Jim Collins From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Dec 11 20:59:22 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 01:59:22 +0000 Subject: worst guitar solos In-Reply-To: <0.dced12a3.2582e982@aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > i wasnt the first to suggest it here, but i was thinking he was on the > younger side, doing the equivalent of a '70s punk style attack on the music > of his younger days, the kinda stuff he'd >have< to be hearing in his youth . > > although the scenario you described could be reworked to apply to >many< > disaffected musicians, writers, musician/writers, etc etc etc etc. > > "they coulda been a contenda." > > and with so many of us around "that age" too, as suggested by the poll. > heh > > "<42>" On a completely unconnected note, it was with some (sad obsessive) glee that I noticed that my copy of the SD97 2CD is No. 42. Thanks to Mike and Doug for making that possible (even if the number was just the ley-lines at work)... Yours, Jon ObCD: Tangerine Dream - _Zeit_ (one of those nights - it's been round twice so far and it will probably not leave the player before morning) From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Dec 11 21:06:11 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 02:06:11 +0000 Subject: worst guitar solos In-Reply-To: <85256843.0082C38A.00@mailgw1.sonymusic.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Dec 1999, Chris Baxley wrote: > While on the subject of bad guitar solos, how about _intentionally_ > bad solos? I can think of a couple: > > Canyons of Your Mind - Bonzo Dog Band > Woly Boly - Butthole Surfers > > And as for age/energy loss, I'd say Iggy Pop, who must be pushing 50, > has more raw energy than all of Limp Bizkit and Blur combined. Yeah, but, while we're here... does anyone else but me reckon Graham Coxon of Blur is actually possibly the single most psychedelic guitar-player of the 90s "pop" music scene? Indeed, his stuff on _Blur_ is, while quite possibly full of cut-ups and studio trickery I'm sure, comparable, for me, only to, well, Jimi, for sheer variety and unexpectedness. He has nothing like Jimi's level of skill but the imagination and the effects... I may be childish and naive however. _Blur_ beats _Stupid Dream_ by Porcupine Tree for psychedelic-ness any day. And of course much of it sounds like early Bevis Frond but that, as they say, is another story. Considering how much I used to hate them, it pains me to say it, but of late Blur have become a damn good band. Yours, Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Dec 12 05:25:06 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 10:25:06 +0000 Subject: worst guitar solos In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Jonathan Jarrett writes >Considering how much I used >to hate them, it pains me to say it, but of late Blur have become a damn >good band. "13" is a well good psyche album. and no mistake, geezer! -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Dec 12 05:27:44 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 10:27:44 +0000 Subject: HW : Shopping around... Message-ID: As the Collection 1 and 2 and Live Glasto 90 *and* Dawn of HW are going to come to around fifty quid or more, I'm wondering what's the cheapest source in the UK for these discs? Anyone got any price comparisons? much appreciated! -- Jon From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Sun Dec 12 06:01:34 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 05:01:34 -0600 Subject: HW : Shopping around... Message-ID: >As the Collection 1 and 2 and Live Glasto 90 *and* Dawn of HW are going >to come to around fifty quid or more, I'm wondering what's the cheapest >source in the UK for these discs? Anyone got any price comparisons? I don't know the official price for the CD's yet, (that part of the conversation was a little fuzzy) but I think I'll be selling the single CD releases for $13.99 and the double's maybe $19.99 (possibly $23.99). Anyway, over here in the USA I'll be the cheapest. I'll make sure by cruising the web and check the prices. I don't know, off hand, the shipping back across the pond. Anyone who wants a special order CD from the Voiceprint catalog, please get it too me by Monday AM. Will be placing an order then, and I can have your CD "QUICK".... www.intplsrv.net/hawkman Hawkman From colum26 at YAHOO.COM Sun Dec 12 14:58:56 1999 From: colum26 at YAHOO.COM (colm mcwilliams) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 11:58:56 -0800 Subject: HW : Shopping around... Message-ID: I've had a lok at the live glasto cd from voiceprint and it give a url for voiceprint's site as: www.voiceprint.com I have tried to go to this site but it doesn't seem to be there anyone else tried to? Oh yeah bought quark on vinyl for 3.99 today it was a french re-issue does anyone know where i can get the origibal vinyl release from or the cd version. many thanks colm --- Stephan Spiegel wrote: > >As the Collection 1 and 2 and Live Glasto 90 *and* > Dawn of HW are going > >to come to around fifty quid or more, I'm wondering > what's the cheapest > >source in the UK for these discs? Anyone got any > price comparisons? > > > I don't know the official price for the CD's yet, > (that part of the > conversation > was a little fuzzy) but I think I'll be selling the > single CD releases for > $13.99 > and the double's maybe $19.99 (possibly $23.99). > Anyway, over here in the > USA I'll be the cheapest. I'll make sure by > cruising the web and check the > prices. I don't know, off hand, the shipping back > across the pond. > > Anyone who wants a special order CD from the > Voiceprint catalog, please > get it too me by Monday AM. Will be placing an > order then, and I can have > your CD "QUICK".... www.intplsrv.net/hawkman > > Hawkman > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 13 06:38:32 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 07:38:32 EDT Subject: OFF: Re: worst guitar solos In-Reply-To: <199912102157.PAA22919@overlord.stc.comm.mot.com> Message-ID: On 10 Dec 99 at 15:57, Frank Weil wrote: The > ultimate guitar player is, of course, Ritchie Blackmore, who can play > clean classical runs, smooth Eastern scales, down-and-dirty blues, and > balls-out-rock with equal ease. Ritchie can do everything BUT play chords! theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 13 06:45:24 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 07:45:24 EDT Subject: worst guitar solos In-Reply-To: <4.1.19991211130602.026eb170@pop.dn.net> Message-ID: On 11 Dec 99 at 14:01, dhuggins wrote: > > With respect to age, I truly think (sans arthritis and the like) that any > 50 year old can play as well as they did when they were 20, from a > "technical" standpoint. I saw Jeff Beck this past summer, and he's certainly playing his best right now--to say nothing of the fact that he smokes EVERYBODY else out there, regardless of age... It is just a matter of dedication and time spent. > Do you honestly think that JP spends anywhere close to as much time on > guitar as he did 25-30 years ago? I sure don't. Nope, and I bet Beck practices very little, and probably only plays guitar when he's getting ready to tour or record. Rest of his time is spent building cars... With respect to > "innovation", that is a more difficult one. What makes a rock guitarist > stand out? A new, unique, or distinctive sound or style of play? Usually. > Can they continue to be innovative beyond their intitial uniqueness? Again, Jeff Beck, who has reinvented himself numerous times. How many geezers could incorporate electronica/sampling/etc and pull it off like Jeff does... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 13 06:55:12 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 07:55:12 EDT Subject: worst guitar solos In-Reply-To: <19991210230522.84542.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: On 10 Dec 99 at 15:05, Torgo Sedler wrote: > > I just read the 50 WORST GUITAR SOLOS OF ALL TIME, and I have to say, in all > honesty, that it was the single biggest piece of shit I ever had the > pleasure of reading. Here's the link if you have not yet had the opportunity > to sniff of this fetid lump, fresh off the business end of a warm and steamy > one.......... glad I posted this info to the list. Personally, I think it's one of the funniest things I've ever read... > What makes me mad as it is obvious to me that this person has a beef with > just about every band under the sun. He states the solo by the band that he > has a problem with, and then proceeds to drag the mentioned band in general > through the slime and muck. Torgo, I don't think you've read the article very carefully. In many cases, they turn around and say good things about the bands they're ripping. They just didn't like that particular solo...And really, if you can't tell this article is a sendup! Doesn't anyone have a sense of humor anymore? So he thinks "Burnin' for you" has a shitty > guitar solo, well maybe it does. Who am I to say, I have trouble playing a > fucking kazoo and slide whistle. I'm about as musically adept as Stephen > Hawking in a body cast. But then he goes on to make each band look as bad as > he can. Well, if BOC, for example, is so untalented then why is "Don't fear > the reaper" not on the list as well. Whoops, can't name TWO songs by the > same band and still get 49 other kicks to the ball-bag in on 49 other bands. > Oh I get it now...It was the jab at Rush that sent Torgo over the edge! > I picture the writer as a bitter man of about 40 years old, still upset at > the entire music industry because the band he played in when he was 15 never > got picked up for a million dollar recording contract. Wrong! These guys are kids, probably college students, or kids just out of school doing a fanzine. They have very little to say about bands of the last 10 years or so. And, so why can't a bunch of kids make fun of the cliched stuff that their big brothers made them listen to for years growing up? I'm a lot older than you are, Torgo, and I think these guys are brilliant satirists! theo From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Dec 13 08:01:29 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 08:01:29 EST Subject: worst guitar solos Message-ID: In a message dated 12/13/99 7:56:00 AM, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: << Wrong! These guys are kids, probably college students, or kids just out of school doing a fanzine. They have very little to say about bands of the last 10 years or so. And, so why can't a bunch of kids make fun of the cliched stuff that their big brothers made them listen to for years growing up? I'm a lot older than you are, Torgo, and I think these guys are brilliant satirists! ====================== >> i done told 'im, mastuh T... wasnt thinkin it was all that 'brilliant', tho... heh free grass and high birds 4-eva! "<>" From denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE Mon Dec 13 10:14:39 1999 From: denis.regenbrecht at UNIBW-MUENCHEN.DE (Denis Regenbrecht) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:14:39 +0100 Subject: Vinyl collection for sale Message-ID: Hello, > If anyone is interested in receiving a copy of the vinyl list, please e-mail > and I will send it to you. thanx in advance D+R -- "Nothing is true - everything is permissible" Hassan I Sabbah www.d-rider.de From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Mon Dec 13 11:48:09 1999 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (Sen. Volstead) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 10:48:09 -0600 Subject: Vinyl collection for sale Message-ID: CCollins54 at AOL.COM wrote: > If anyone is interested in receiving a copy of the vinyl list, please e-mail > and I will send it to you. > > Peace and Love, > > Jim Collins send! send! send! From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Mon Dec 13 10:51:08 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:51:08 -0600 Subject: HW : Shopping around... Message-ID: It's www.voiceprint.co.uk America is .com and England is .co.uk I guess the .uk takes the place of the m I could be wrong, just an observational guess. The next release is Live Nottingham 1990 in Feb 2000 (HAWKVP13) Hawkman -----Original Message----- From: colm mcwilliams To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Sunday, December 12, 1999 2:04 PM Subject: Re: HW : Shopping around... >I've had a lok at the live glasto cd from voiceprint >and it give a url for voiceprint's site as: > >www.voiceprint.com > >I have tried to go to this site but it doesn't seem to >be there anyone else tried to? > >Oh yeah bought quark on vinyl for 3.99 today it was a >french re-issue does anyone know where i can get the >origibal vinyl release from or the cd version. > >many thanks > >colm > > >--- Stephan Spiegel wrote: >> >As the Collection 1 and 2 and Live Glasto 90 *and* >> Dawn of HW are going >> >to come to around fifty quid or more, I'm wondering >> what's the cheapest >> >source in the UK for these discs? Anyone got any >> price comparisons? >> >> >> I don't know the official price for the CD's yet, >> (that part of the >> conversation >> was a little fuzzy) but I think I'll be selling the >> single CD releases for >> $13.99 >> and the double's maybe $19.99 (possibly $23.99). >> Anyway, over here in the >> USA I'll be the cheapest. I'll make sure by >> cruising the web and check the >> prices. I don't know, off hand, the shipping back >> across the pond. >> >> Anyone who wants a special order CD from the >> Voiceprint catalog, please >> get it too me by Monday AM. Will be placing an >> order then, and I can have >> your CD "QUICK".... www.intplsrv.net/hawkman >> >> Hawkman >> > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. >Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Dec 13 10:52:36 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 10:52:36 EST Subject: worst guitar solos Message-ID: Re: worst guitar solos, as forwarded from dr synth of AP, not to mention das looood "<>" =========Any GTR solo Neil Young plays...ALL LOU REED SOLOS, Mark Farner(any GFR disc), Ace Frehley & Paul Stanley(all solos), Al Dimeola(all solos, in his case pure overkill!), Alan Holdsworth(fake Mahavishnu..ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!), Marc Bolin Electric Gtr solos(psychodramatic swill), Jerry Garcia SOLOS("LET'S TAKE MO' DRUGS, ...Hey Phil, where are my fingers going???!), any Lennie Kravitz solos(made up from the Hendrix paint-by-numbers kit) Ted Nugent(200Kilotons, using a pick made from moose he killed with his bare hands), Prince solos(Fake funk, he should just sing) Dr. Synth From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Sun Dec 12 22:39:29 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 03:39:29 +0000 Subject: X-Bros Message-ID: So I finally broke down and ordered X-Brothers "Solid Citizens". I saw Cult Brothers a long time ago in Binghamton, and I don't remember much about their original stuff (except that I liked it). For some reason, "Hot Time In Hell" stands out in my memory as one I particularly enjoyed. So what am I in for? Is it as good as I remembered? -- Nick From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Dec 13 11:42:30 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:42:30 -0000 Subject: worst guitar solos In-Reply-To: <0.a73c92e4.25867044@aol.com> Message-ID: Surely this is just a list of guitarists this bloke doesn't like? The article was rather funny, but I'm afraid this is moronic. -- Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of DASLUD at AOL.COM > Sent: 13 December 1999 15:53 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: worst guitar solos > > > Re: worst guitar solos, as forwarded from dr synth of AP, not to > mention das > looood > "<>" > =========Any GTR solo Neil Young plays...ALL LOU REED SOLOS, Mark > Farner(any > GFR disc), Ace Frehley & Paul Stanley(all solos), Al Dimeola(all solos, in > his case pure overkill!), Alan Holdsworth(fake > Mahavishnu..ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!), > Marc Bolin Electric Gtr solos(psychodramatic swill), Jerry Garcia > SOLOS("LET'S TAKE MO' DRUGS, ...Hey Phil, where are my fingers going???!), > any Lennie Kravitz solos(made up from the Hendrix > paint-by-numbers kit) Ted > Nugent(200Kilotons, using a pick made from moose he killed with his bare > hands), Prince solos(Fake funk, he should just sing) > > Dr. > Synth > From mordru at FLITE.NET Mon Dec 13 12:49:59 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 12:49:59 -0500 Subject: X-Bros Message-ID: >So I finally broke down and ordered X-Brothers "Solid Citizens". I >saw Cult Brothers a long time ago in Binghamton, and I don't remember >much about their original stuff (except that I liked it). For some >reason, "Hot Time In Hell" stands out in my memory as one I >particularly enjoyed. > >So what am I in for? Is it as good as I remembered? Yep, excellent CD. "Hot time in hell" is a fun tune. There are others I like on a serious level more, but all in all a very enjoyable CD. IIRC they didn't write Hot Time in Hell, but everything else is by Joe or by Joe and others... "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random =============== Andrew Apold From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Dec 13 13:37:46 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:37:46 EST Subject: worst guitar solos Message-ID: In a message dated 12/13/99 11:42:48 AM, Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM writes: << Surely this is just a list of guitarists this bloke doesn't like? The article was rather funny, but I'm afraid this is moronic. >> ---------------------------- and as the messenger ducked... well, yeah, your first line would appear correct. as such he wouldnt be alone to have done so or similar in that regard. but doug walker of Alien Planetscapes ('dr synth') is comparatively more of a jazz guy anyway*, and perhaps i hadnt forwarded enough of the sequence for him to single out solos. *though the trimmed-down AP rocked the house at Strange Days last summer. twas moi who chose to share his perspective on this, because he's a rarity in general, to which others here could attest. pray for a good harvest "<>" **************************************************** Think you've got style? You ain't seen nothing yet! Visit JENNY STYLE a fansite devoted to Takara Jenny, Japan's answer to Barbie! URL: http://www.pitt.edu/~mross/jenny From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Dec 13 14:29:41 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 14:29:41 EST Subject: Fwd: Those Voiceprint bastards Reply Message-ID: this was not BOC-L mail; it was sent to a select few, including moi, which was extra-silly, since i said nada on this matter. "<>" -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: VP-MO Subject: Those Voiceprint bastards Reply Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 14:05:33 -0500 Size: 4932 URL: From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Mon Dec 13 15:38:53 1999 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 20:38:53 -0000 Subject: HW: Fw: Those Voiceprint bastards Reply Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob (remote) <106230.3257 at compuserve.com> To: Hawkwind Sent: Monday, December 13, 1999 7:17 PM Subject: Those Voiceprint bastards Reply Dear Kris, thought you might want a quick read of this one . . . Rob PS Feel free to post it to the list -------------Forwarded Message----------------- From: VP-MO, Voiceprint_mailorder To: 1, INTERNET:fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK CC: 2, INTERNET:spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET 3, INTERNET:beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM 4, INTERNET:m.j.crook at TALK21.COM 5, INTERNET:bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE 6, INTERNET:dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK 7, INTERNET:stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK 8, INTERNET:tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU 9, INTERNET:sprawl at STARPOWER.NET 11, INTERNET:DASLUD at AOL.COM Date: 13/12/99 19:05 PM RE: Those Voiceprint bastards Reply The Bastards Reply . . . . Dear Hawkfans, It is with great interest I have read your mail concerning my company. I feel there is some basic misconceptions / misunderstandings happen here. In this e-mail I hop that this will answer some / if not all the issues you have. Free CD / Stamp system. The reason you have to cut the booklet up is very simple. A vast majority of stores in the UK remove inserted "bounce back" / "reply cards" from CDs they fear that we will approach you directly with some fantastic offers and cut the shop out. We may well do that, but equally so we may not. But imagine how you great and dedicated fans would feel if some of you got the cards with the coupons on and some did not. I know how I would feel ! ! The reason we dont accept photocopy coupons. Is simple we are a very small company and photocopies would be open to fraud. I know nine out of ten fans wouldnt do this but we have had problems with previous offers. Also it is worth noting it is on a third flap. This can easily be removed with out damaging the booklet / artwork. The idea of the FREE CD is so that you the collectors get some thing back for your money and loyalty of buying this series of CDs. How many of you bought the releases on Castle Communications PLC. just for the different cover ? What did they give you in return ? (answers on a post card to Voiceprint at the usual address). Greasy Truckers Party EMI requested that we do not issue this recording on CD as they own the copyright. Glastonbury 90. This is the Tape that Dave gave me personally and asked to be issued on CD. I guess he was fed up with bootleg issues of this gig. Live 82. Edits were conducted under Daves supervision. He requested sections to be removed for artistic reasons. Dave as the leader of the band has a complete veto on ANYTHING we issue. I am beholden to him to ensure he is 100% happy with the releases. Distribution. ALL Voiceprint products are available in most UK shops. If you cant find it there it is the shop who has refused to stock the CD. NOT us to ship the CD to them. (please allow for the occasional out of stocks). It is our job to sell as many CDs as possible in order to pay the best royalties to the band so they can keep producing the music we all know and love. Further to the plan to give to loyal fans a good deal. You can buy the Hawkwind CDs single at 9.99 GBP each (three for 25.00 GBP) or doubles at 15.00 GBP (three for 40.00 GBP). From Voiceprint Mail Order, please email me at this address with your snail mail details so we can post you a leaflet. The Hawkwind titles will be distributed in the US during Y2K. Conclusion. So you think we are bastards then. I am a dedicated Hawk fan. I have been so for nearly twenty years now (yes a new comer to some of you, but my parents didnt get it together earlier). I have watched year after year at the same tracks coming out in a different sequence with a different cover, not authorized by the band and I was fed up with it. So I am in the lucky enough position to be able to do some thing about it (i.e. owning a record company). So now we are doing what I (and the band) consider interesting issues on CD at a fair price and with interesting artwork and all you lot do is MOAN ! ! So OK. 1). Lets shelve;- Atomhenge - Live 76, 2). Why dont you stick to listening to cassette versions of the Weird Tapes instead of digitally re-mastered versions CDs, with new artwork and credits ? 3). Lets not bother with a free CD to all you people have baought the set. Then nobody has to cut up their CD sleeve. Everybody happy now then ? ? ? ? Mr. Bastard himself. From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Dec 13 14:55:54 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 19:55:54 +0000 Subject: worst guitar solos In-Reply-To: <38516028.8C7AD3AD@utarlg.uta.edu> Message-ID: At 14:18 10.12.1999 -0600, Thomas wrote in respose to The Horse Whisperer: >--snip--< >Page has talked about his style >before, mentioning that some of his influences had a way of moving in and out of >the beat, of falling out of key and rhythm, but then bringing it back in. Like a >cat landing on its feet. This style of soloing is exemplified by John Scofield, whom I've seen (and heard! *g*) stretch himself so far outside of a tune's "time" that I thought he would just "fall off the tightrope" and then just snap back on to the beat at the perfect moment, and then he would do the same thing the other way, running ahead of the band, and then bam!, back on the beat..... >More often than not, it's the wrong note that is the most >important note. For me, that is what rock is all about--that >always-threatening-to-collapse mix of chaos and order. At various times, Jerry Garcia said that "playing the wrong note, at the right time" was a big part of his soloing, and that "what you don't play is as important as what you do" - something Chick Corea never figured out when playing Thelonious Monk tunes!!! >To be honest, truly >technical players are so often also incredibly boring. Alex Lifeson, for >example: a great player, sure, but he can't solo his way out of paper bag. It's >studied and boring, with maybe a few exceptions. - and we can all think of culprits in this area, but I'll bite my tongue to save offence. Cheers, ChrisW "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Dec 13 15:01:40 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 20:01:40 +0000 Subject: worst guitar solos In-Reply-To: <4.1.19991210215317.009d5c40@pophost.tardis.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 21:56 10.12.1999 +0000, you wrote: >At 02:21 10/12/99 , Robert C. Mayo wrote: >> age (among other things...) does take it's toll. > >I've heard jazz musicians in their 60's who could play the ass off any rock musician you care to name. They've got a lifelong dedication to the music, and it shows. > >OK, age does have some effect, depending on how (un)lucky you are. Especially for classical musicians, who really do have to be at the edge of technical skills. But age shouldn't be an excuse for rock musicians, unless you're really looking at raw energy. > >Dave. >Dave Berry, www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~daveb > Hear, hear - I saw Alan Skidmorea coupla months back blow the bejeezus out of his tenor sax in front of a very fighting fit young rhythm section, a night that saw Gary Husband almost demolish his drumkit, so hard did he play! ChrisW "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Dec 13 16:27:10 1999 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:27:10 +0000 Subject: The Voiceprint reply Message-ID: Dear Voiceprint people Thank you for your reply to messages on the BOC-L mailing list. I'm not one of those who sent mail on the subject originally mainly because I didn't like the subject header and also because I already realised why photocopies of the inside cover vouchers would be quite unacceptable to you. But I write as a Kollector - and a serious one - and I fear you don't fully appreciate what you are asking of us! The point is that damage to the integrity of an album or CD - either inserts or cover is damage - even if it is deliberate, necessary and just a tiny chunk of an inside third page - which is actually one of the most attractive pages in the package! For example - my pyramid inside Glastonbury Fayre remains uncut and unformed - sad though that is - because it is part of the original package and will never, ever be carved up by me. Likewise I really do not want to carve up these CDs. I will be buying, playing and listening to *all* the CDs because I genuinely like Hawkwind and want to hear everything that the band through yourselves has generously made available to us. I really do appreciate what you have been able to do. I am grateful to have these albums and am very impressed by the packaging. But, although I would very much like to have the extra album you are offering, I really, really do not want to hack chunks out of the packaging of all the others just to get it! Nor do I particularly want to purchase a second set of everything just to do this. However would I be right in inferring that it would be possible to purchase this extra album? I appreciate that it is only available through mail order and that those who use the tokens will get one free but would you be willing to consider a purchase so that I do not have to deface the rest of the albums which I am extremely proud to possess intact! It's just a thought but also thank you for all the work you have put into the production of these albums so far. It is appreciated. Jill Strobridge --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Those Voiceprint bastards Reply > Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 14:05:33 -0500 > From: VP-MO > To: 1 > CC: 2 , 3 , > 4 , 5 , > 6 , 7 > , > 8 , 9 , > 11 > > The Bastards Reply . . . . > > Dear Hawkfans, > > It is with great interest I have read your mail concerning my company. I > feel there is some basic misconceptions / misunderstandings happen here. In > this e-mail I hop that this will answer some / if not all the issues you > have. > > Free CD / Stamp system. > > The reason you have to cut the booklet up is very simple. A vast majority > of stores in the UK remove inserted "bounce back" / "reply cards" from CD?s > they fear that we will approach you directly with some fantastic offers and > cut the shop out. We may well do that, but equally so we may not. But > imagine how you great and dedicated fans would feel if some of you got the > cards with the coupons on and some did not. I know how I would feel ! ! > > The reason we don?t accept photocopy coupons. Is simple we are a very small > company and photocopies would be open to fraud. I know nine out of ten fans > wouldn?t do this but we have had problems with previous offers. > > Also it is worth noting it is on a third flap. This can easily be removed > with out damaging the booklet / artwork. > > The idea of the FREE CD is so that you the collectors get some thing back > for your money and loyalty of buying this series of CD?s. How many of you > bought the releases on Castle Communications PLC. just for the different > cover ? What did they give you in return ? (answers on a post card to > Voiceprint at the usual address). > > Greasy Truckers Party > > EMI requested that we do not issue this recording on CD as they own the > copyright. > > Glastonbury 90. > > This is the Tape that Dave gave me personally and asked to be issued on CD. > I guess he was fed up with bootleg issues of this gig. > > Live 82. > > Edits were conducted under Daves supervision. He requested sections to be > removed for artistic reasons. Dave as the leader of the band has a complete > veto on ANYTHING we issue. I am beholden to him to ensure he is 100% happy > with the releases. > > Distribution. > > ALL Voiceprint products are available in most UK shops. If you can?t find > it there it is the shop who has refused to stock the CD. NOT us to ship the > CD to them. (please allow for the occasional out of stocks). > > It is our job to sell as many CD?s as possible in order to pay the best > royalties to the band so they can keep producing the music we all know and > love. > > Further to the plan to give to loyal fans a good deal. You can buy the > Hawkwind CD?s single at 9.99 GBP each (three for 25.00 GBP) or doubles at > 15.00 GBP (three for 40.00 GBP). From Voiceprint Mail Order, please email > me at this address with your snail mail details so we can post you a > leaflet. > > The Hawkwind titles will be distributed in the US during Y2K. > > Conclusion. > > So you think we are bastards then. I am a dedicated Hawk fan. I have been > so for nearly twenty years now (yes a new comer to some of you, but my > parents didn?t get it together earlier). I have watched year after year at > the same tracks coming out in a different sequence with a different cover, > not authorized by the band and I was fed up with it. So I am in the lucky > enough position to be able to do some thing about it (i.e. owning a record > company). So now we are doing what I (and the band) consider interesting > issues on CD at a fair price and with interesting artwork and all you lot > do is MOAN ! ! > > So OK. > > 1). Lets shelve;- Atomhenge - Live 76, > > 2). Why don?t you stick to listening to cassette versions of the Weird > Tapes instead of digitally re-mastered versions CD?s, with new artwork and > credits ? > > 3). Let?s not bother with a free CD to all you people have baought the > set. Then nobody has to cut up their CD sleeve. > > Everybody happy now then ? ? ? ? > > Mr. Bastard himself. -- ====================================================================== Jill Strobridge or J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk ====================================================================== From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Mon Dec 13 16:36:40 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:36:40 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Set-list 12/11/99 Message-ID: "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-8pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list, e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks, Chuck NOTE: I will be on from 11pm Thurs night--1am Fri. morn for some weeks to come. Meanwhile, my 5-8 slot will sometimes be preempted for bastekball games; next Sat I'll be on only from about 5--5:45. But the Thurs slot might be more accessible to Englanders and Europeans. WEB-RADIO INSTRUCTIONS FOR WINAMP : 1) Download the Winamp installation file from the address below. "Winamp Basic" rather than the larger file, "Winamp Complete," is all you'll need to hear KUCR. http://www.winamp.com/winamp/download/index.phtml After you've downloaded the installation file (Winamp25c.exe is the latest at this time), run it by double-clicking. This will install Winamp on your computer. After you've installed Winamp, you need to run the actual Winamp program (Winamp.exe) but first you need to connect to your internet server so Winamp can connect to the Internet. When you run Winamp, a small screen comes up on the left with lots of fancy controls. Ignore them to begin with. Also on the right, a web page is displayed which you can also ignore. On the lower left hand corner is a button which says "add". Click that and then click the top button of the three that come up above the one you just clicked on. When asked to provide an internet address, type in the following http://www.kucr.org:8000 Say OK. One more step. Double click on the item in the file box of Winamp and it will start to play KUCR live. If it stops playing or breaks up, double click again to reconnect. 12/11/99 1.Anubian Lights--The Fire Breathes (Let Not the Flame Die Out) 2.Hawkwind--Uncle Sam's on Mars (P.X.R.5) 3.ST-37--New Arrival (Strange Daze '97) 4.Moodswings/Gong--Thoughts for Nought (You Remixed) 5.Robert Calvert--Aerospaceage Inferno (Capt. Lockheed and the Starfighters) 6.Melting Euphoria--Inner Vastness of Space (Through the Strands of Time) 7.Spacious Mind--Interplanetarian Love Machine (Organic Mind Solution) Basketball game fails to air, back to SDNC... 8.Can--Future Days (Future Days) 9.Roy Montgomery--Catherine at Aldeburgh (And Now the Rain...) 10.Hawkwind--Time We Left (Doremi Fasol Latido) 11.Pressurehed--Oxygen Mask (Explaining the Unexplained) 12.Architectural Metaphor--Creature (Creature of the Velvet Void) 13.F/i--Full Meddle Eddie (Helioscopium) 14.Henry Cow--Half Asleep;Half Awake (Unrest) 15.Residents--Lights Out (Hell!) 16.Orb--Valley (Live '93) 17.National Steam--In the Cavers of Spacezilla (National Steam) 18.Bionaut--Relaminate My Organ Donor Card (Strange Daze '97) 19.Hawkwind--Brainstorm (Space Ritual) 20.Ozric Tentacles--Feng Shui (Jurassic Shift) 21.Hawkwind--Let Barking Dogs Lie (It Is the Business of the Future...) 22.Hawkwind--Life Form (P.X.R.5) Thanks, Chuck From cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET Mon Dec 13 16:46:23 1999 From: cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:46:23 -0500 Subject: The Voiceprint reply In-Reply-To: <385564AE.2DC1EE70@theta-orionis.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: Perhaps the value of the item will increase WITH the coupon removed as it shows just how RABID a Kollector you (plural) are. Just my dos centavos From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Dec 13 18:07:22 1999 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 23:07:22 +0000 Subject: The Voiceprint reply Message-ID: "Michael S. Habiby" wrote: > > Perhaps the value of the item will increase WITH the coupon removed as it > shows just how RABID a Kollector you (plural) are. > > Just my dos centavos Actually the value - per se - isn't the major problem here. I much prefer to have my Hawkwind collection undamaged and the thought of cutting chunks out of it just feels like desecration! If I *must* do it I suspect that I'll probably just have to collect my destructable set through the second hand stores or will have to cut up my present ones and hope to find seond hand replacements in due course. But it's not an easy decision - honest! jill ob non sequitor> I'm utterly disconsolate. They've killed off the frogs in the Budweiser advert 8-( That was mean! -- ====================================================================== Jill Strobridge or J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk ====================================================================== From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Dec 13 18:46:58 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:46:58 EST Subject: HW: Fw: Those Voiceprint bastards Reply Message-ID: In a message dated 12/13/99 3:38:06 PM, boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK writes: << 11, INTERNET:DASLUD at AOL.COM >> ======= this dont tell me nothin'. dear kris, i never bought any of this product, i fail to see how or why i would criticize it. this is screwy and i resent being included. larry boyd das ludicroix From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Dec 13 19:22:15 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:22:15 -0800 Subject: HW: Fw: Those Voiceprint bastards Reply Message-ID: Those darn Hawkwind fans! You give 'em what they want, and all they do is complain! ;^) (seriously, I hope the "powers that be" take the associated chatter as a sign of dedication, rather than a sign of disgruntlement.) On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:46:58 EST, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: >In a message dated 12/13/99 3:38:06 PM, boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK writes: > ><< 11, INTERNET:DASLUD at AOL.COM > > >> > >======= >this dont tell me nothin'. > >dear kris, >i never bought any of this product, i fail to see how or why i would >criticize it. > >this is screwy and i resent being included. Larry, you're included because you added a message to the "HW vs Voiceprint - who are the bastards" thread (message dated: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 07:16:29 EST), even though your message had nothing to do with the subject header. Your address simply got "harvested". Exactly the same reason why the message was also addressed to (whether or not they actually referred to Voiceprint as "bastards"): Zeitgeist Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 Sprawl david hall Michael Crook Bernhard Pospiech Stephan Spiegel Horse Whisperer See threads #16,17,18 at http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A1=ind9912a&L=boc-l Hope that clears things ... sometimes lurking IS the best policy ... :^) ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Dec 13 19:51:24 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 19:51:24 EST Subject: HW: BASTARD INC....he's makin' a list, checkin' it twice...or not Message-ID: In a message dated 12/13/99 3:38:06 PM, boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK writes: << ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob (remote) <106230.3257 at compuserve.com> To: Hawkwind Sent: Monday, December 13, 1999 7:17 PM Subject: Those Voiceprint bastards Reply Dear Kris, thought you might want a quick read of this one . . . Rob PS Feel free to post it to the list -------------Forwarded Message----------------- From: VP-MO, Voiceprint_mailorder To: 1, INTERNET:fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK CC: 2, INTERNET:spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET 3, INTERNET:beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM 4, INTERNET:m.j.crook at TALK21.COM 5, INTERNET:bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE 6, INTERNET:dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK 7, INTERNET:stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK 8, INTERNET:tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU 9, INTERNET:sprawl at STARPOWER.NET 11, INTERNET:DASLUD at AOL.COM >> ===================== okay y'all, LISTEN UP! if mr bastard feels it's necessary to compile this "list" and forward it to kris tait, then in future mr. bastard can DAMN WELL examine the contents first. thanks, doug, i saw my post in question and it's got f*ck-all to do w/mister bastard's product. he could have found that out himself had he checked. my problem isnt getting caught in the blast, or the net, or what have you. i dont like the implications of this list-of-names CRAP. what was ms tait to make of this list? what did you want it to mean when you sent it to her? INSERT BRONX CHEER AS APPLICABLE "<>" From CCollins54 at AOL.COM Mon Dec 13 20:04:56 1999 From: CCollins54 at AOL.COM (CCollins54 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 20:04:56 EST Subject: Vinyl collection for sale Message-ID: I am sending you a list of the vinyl for sale. If possible, I would like to sell it all at one time. One buyer. I am waiting to try to do that. In the meantime, if you have a bid for the entire collection or the entire Hawkwind collection or the non Hawkwind collection or whatever you like, make your list up and send it to me. Thanks for your patience. It took me a little longer to get the list together. Peace and Love, Jim Collins -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: net Type: application/octet-stream Size: 38642 bytes Desc: not available URL: From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Mon Dec 13 21:30:25 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David Greenhalgh) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:30:25 +0900 Subject: worst guitar solos Message-ID: "I did it, Otway" has to be the best bit of soloing ever, surely. At least the first time you hear it. I wonder if the tree stump shaped fart generator WWB used to play is still around. Never could understand why it didn't catch on as a mainstream instrument. Tim Stephenson wrote: > >>Anyone remember Wild Willy Barrett (and John Otway)? > > >Isn't mentioning these two geniuses in this thread kind of missing the > point about them? > > Agreed, but a couple of people referred to stuff 'they loved to hate'. Wild > Willy's solos had to be heard to be disbelieved. It wasnt too bad til he > tried to use more than one string...... or was it more than one finger > :-) they were the best in their time. > > T From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Mon Dec 13 23:33:03 1999 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (Sen. Volstead) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 22:33:03 -0600 Subject: How unprofessional! Message-ID: > The Bastards Reply . . . . > > Dear Hawkfans, > [ BLAH BLAH my ego hangs on my company, etc. ] > Mr. Bastard himself. That's no form letter! If Voiceprint were allowed to develop it would threaten the future! From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Tue Dec 14 03:17:38 1999 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 01:17:38 -0700 Subject: :) :) Message-ID: Happy Birthday to me!!!! Ad nauseum .........New tunes & a video have come my way so far!!! Yipeeee!!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace >To: Hawkwind > >Sent: Monday, December 13, 1999 7:17 PM > >Subject: Those Voiceprint bastards Reply >Dear Kris, >thought you might want a quick read of this one . . . >-------------Forwarded Message----------------- > > >From: VP-MO, Voiceprint_mailorder > >To: 1, INTERNET:fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK > > >CC: 2, INTERNET:spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET > > 3, INTERNET:beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM > > 4, INTERNET:m.j.crook at TALK21.COM > > 5, INTERNET:bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE > > 6, INTERNET:dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK > > 7, INTERNET:stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK > > 8, INTERNET:tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU > > 9, INTERNET:sprawl at STARPOWER.NET > > 11, INTERNET:DASLUD at AOL.COM Hey ! Don't get me in on this "sticker" "free CD" mess.... I haven't complained about it. I just want to try and make things easier and keep everyone happy. If anyone can think of a better way to do this, lets swap ideas and maybe change it that way. Hawkman From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Tue Dec 14 04:54:50 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 09:54:50 -0000 Subject: HW: BASTARD INC....he's makin' a list, checkin' it twice...or not Message-ID: How about individually numbered (and coded) insert cards. Then simply write in, quoting code number. One freebie per code number. Or maybe that'd be too hasslesome. I dunno - just an idea off the top of my head. Cheers, Rich. ** Mind the oranges, Marlon! ** > > Hey ! Don't get me in on this "sticker" "free CD" mess.... I haven't > complained > about it. I just want to try and make things easier and keep everyone > happy. > > If anyone can think of a better way to do this, lets swap ideas and maybe > change > it that way. > > Hawkman __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Dec 14 06:21:39 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 06:21:39 EST Subject: Fwd: Dear Voiceprint guys (open letter stylee) Message-ID: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Horse Whisperer" Subject: Dear Voiceprint guys (open letter stylee) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 01:41:24 PST Size: 2613 URL: From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Dec 14 06:23:10 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 06:23:10 EST Subject: Fwd: Those Voiceprint bastards Reply Message-ID: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Zeitgeist" Subject: Re: Those Voiceprint bastards Reply Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 10:55:18 -0000 Size: 6820 URL: From mordru at FLITE.NET Tue Dec 14 08:46:03 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 08:46:03 -0500 Subject: :) :) Message-ID: >Happy Birthday to me!!!! Ad nauseum .........New tunes & a video have >come my way so far!!! Yipeeee!!! Queue up the Ramones version of Happy Birthday... "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random =============== Andrew Apold From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Tue Dec 14 09:39:05 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans (aka Gekke Henkie)) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:39:05 +0100 Subject: OFF: seti@home Message-ID: Hi all, just a little update on this: We are reaching the 1000! completed results. This means we are gonna reach OUR first millenium before the THIRTH millenium will start :-) --BArt join us at: http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/cgi?cmd=team_join_form&id=23645 and maybe we will beat the pure BOC group once... (they only got about 12000 results by now) From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Tue Dec 14 09:50:29 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:50:29 -0000 Subject: OFF: seti@home Message-ID: Coo-ee - 205 units and counting. C'mon guys - join the party!!! Cheers, Rich. ** Mind the oranges, Marlon! ** ----- Original Message ----- From: Bart Brugmans (aka Gekke Henkie) To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 2:39 PM Subject: OFF: seti at home > Hi all, > > just a little update on this: > > We are reaching the 1000! completed results. This means we are gonna reach > OUR first millenium before the THIRTH millenium will start :-) > > --BArt > > join us at: > http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/cgi?cmd=team_join_form&id=23645 > > and maybe we will beat the pure BOC group once... (they only got about 12000 > results by now) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Dec 14 09:54:11 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:54:11 +0000 Subject: HW:Recent v Old/Poll In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991202115604.00919c00@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, Doug Pearson wrote: > "Reefer Madness" definitely rules, but I also love "Steppenwolf" for having > some of Calvert's most theatrical moments, and "Kadu Flyer" for its superb > melodicism (just like all of Simon House's compositions), nice sitar drones > and soprano sax. One of the most disappointing things (for me) about Nik's > 1995 US tour (captured on 'Past or Future') was that Len Del Rio played > keyboards on that song instead of Simon (who was there, dammit!). Len's a > great synth player, but when it comes to keyboards, he's no Simon House > (but Steve Swindells and Fred Reeves are the only HW keyboard players who > even come remotely close to his talent IMO, and neither was in the band for > very long). I have problems with ASAM, and they principally lie in the fact that I just find the sound too slick and shallow. When the songs have been played with other line-ups, e.g. the CB version of `Reefer Madness', and the version of `Steppenwolf' on the '97 tour, they've shone. Only the proggy keyboard ones belong in the sound of that album, and I do like `Aubergine' and that `Kadu Flyer' is my favourite. But with the songs with riffs, I just listen to their music-box sound levels with heart-sinking disappointment each time. Though I'm generally singing along by halfway through `Steppenwolf'. And Doug, you're entitled to your view of course, but Steve Swindells? The man responsible for the *inspired* keyboard parts on `Valium 10' and `British Tribal Music'? This must surely be some new use of the word "talent" of which I was not previously aware... Is there anything legit. by HW with Fred Reeves on it, anyway? QEH doesn't exactly leave me jaw-dropped. I'll rank Tim Blake close behind Simon and Harvey not long after till someone convinces me otherwise. Yours, Jon From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Tue Dec 14 10:15:20 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 09:15:20 -0600 Subject: HW : Shopping around... Message-ID: >It's www.voiceprint.co.uk > >America is .com and England is .co.uk >I guess the .uk takes the place of the m And then I thought about Hawkwind.com being IN England so, there goes that theory. No? >The next release is Live Nottingham 1990 in Feb 2000 >(HAWKVP13) QUESTION ! ! ! Did I read right and see in the e-mail from Voiceprint that "Greasy Truckers" HAWKVP2CD was NOT released due to EMI ? ? ? Does anyone have a copy? Thanks, Stephan I mean, Hawkman....has anyone ever wondered what SSSPUT means? You know my "handle" on ebay? Stephan Spiegel SPUTnik. I was, and still am refered to by some, as Sputnik or Sput. Started in college in 1976....blah ....blah... . . . . ... . .. . . . . From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 14 10:33:01 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:33:01 GMT Subject: We have a little list... In-Reply-To: DASLUD@AOL.COM's message of Mon, 13 Dec 1999 19:51:24 EST Message-ID: > my problem isnt getting caught in the blast, or the net, or what have you. i > dont like the implications of this list-of-names CRAP. > what was ms tait to make of this list? "We have a little list.. ...of those who won't be missed.." I'd thought that someone was mailing Kris/Hawkwind to let 'em know that their distributors have taken umbrage at what was said in the BOC-L "private" mailing list concerning some design flaws in their products. I doubt that anything in particular is expected of Kris. What I'd counsel is that everyone mellow out a little and that Voiceprint carefully consider that they should regard feedback from their customers as a *resource* (and one that many large companies pay to solicit) rather than taking it personally and venting umbrage at those customers. Voiceprint and the band are tring to give us fans what we want. If we critique what's done, with suggestions as to how to improve the product, then the sensible thing on their part would be to listen up and use that info to make the next releases even better. A flamewar, while providing momentary entertainment, simply won't achieve this. I suggest: A) Folks on the list drop the "bastard" and any other personal insults. B) Voiceprint and the band read again what we were saying rather than how it was said and consider whether there might be some way to improve the product even further by acting on the feedback provided. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 14 10:36:19 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:36:19 GMT Subject: HW: BASTARD INC....he's makin' a list, checkin' it twice...or not In-Reply-To: Stephan Spiegel's message of Tue, 14 Dec 1999 03:44:30 -0600 Message-ID: Stephan Spiegel writes: > Hey ! Don't get me in on this "sticker" "free CD" mess.... I haven't > complained > about it. I just want to try and make things easier and keep everyone > happy. > > If anyone can think of a better way to do this, lets swap ideas and maybe > change > it that way. I suggest that Voiceprint nominate specific retailers such as Andy Garibaldi who will confirm to them that we have actually purchased the CDs. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 14 10:54:25 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:54:25 GMT Subject: Undisclosed Files CD for sale Message-ID: This is the CD that came with the metal shield. I already have the CD and so offer this one for sale. Offers by email to me. FoFP From cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET Tue Dec 14 11:17:03 1999 From: cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:17:03 -0500 Subject: seti@home In-Reply-To: Message-ID: OK Just joined. Rock on. corwyn12182 Michael S. Habiby VP Sales and Marketing One Prospect Ave. Albany, NY 12206 (800) 386-2300 (518) 489-0269 - fax cableshoppe at global2000.net or mhabiby1 at nycap.rr.com ________________________ -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Bart Brugmans (aka Gekke Henkie) Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 9:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: OFF: seti at home Hi all, just a little update on this: We are reaching the 1000! completed results. This means we are gonna reach OUR first millenium before the THIRTH millenium will start :-) --BArt join us at: http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/cgi?cmd=team_join_form&id=23645 and maybe we will beat the pure BOC group once... (they only got about 12000 results by now) From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Dec 14 11:15:39 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:15:39 -0000 Subject: HW: Fw: Those Voiceprint bastards Reply Message-ID: Am I getting some verbal here, or what. Just for the record Complete 79 has been blasting, not continuously, out my speakers since the day it dropped onto my doormat. Live 82 not so much, but still fun to listen to. Yeah, and I'm looking forward to the Weird releases (I've already posted re the quality of the covers), even though I've got them all (I remember sending off to Wolden at the news of every release) - some info on the new track listings would be nice. And, again for the record, I've never knocked VP - you've put out some good stuff - a lot of it in my record collection. To include me on your list you must be objecting to my comments on the production. Well too bad, as much as I enjoy 79 it is let down by the production. In saying that if it were really awful I'd take back to the shop for a refund - pronto! Your comments on 82, fair enough. Anyway comments posted are in the grand tradition of record buying, remember hanging out with your mates and the good record-shite record debates? Official releases should be of good quality, unless marked otherwise. The tapes released by Jonny at GAS are a good example i.e. "the quality will vary due to source" -it's good stuff too. I'll give you an example of a howler that shouldn't have been released: Guy Evans and Peter Hammill "The Union Chapel Concert" -featuring a one-off reformation of Van der Graaf Generator (Pawn Hearts -no Nic Potter unfortunately). Now this is an audience recording, complete with coughs - the performance is rough too. Fans will buy it because they've waited for years for a reunion, they'll probably play it once. It could have been released as a limited edition freebie CD along with Peter's next release. A mate lent this to me with the description "bag o' shite pal". I'll recommend that he buys Complete 79 but advise him about the production, that seems alright to me. I suppose if you're a collector of any band you'll buy just about any release that the band put out. That leaves them open to rip-off (I'm not suggesting that here, let's get that clear) , for example the new Led Zep compilation albeit including a live track on CD rom. I stopped "collecting" at the release of the final volume of Friends and Relations, and I'm not interested in bootlegs (except ones of exceptional quality). All I'm interested in is putting a shiny disc in the machine, turning up the volume, and having a blast. When Hawkwind are on form they cannot be surpassed, and I'll rave on to mates about the latest release. If it's a duffer then it's an extreme disappointment as expectations are high. I think that's about it. Dave Please include me on any Voiceprint mailing list. -----Original Message----- From: XXX To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 13 December 1999 20:38 Subject: HW: Fw: Those Voiceprint bastards Reply >----- Original Message ----- >From: Rob (remote) <106230.3257 at compuserve.com> >To: Hawkwind >Sent: Monday, December 13, 1999 7:17 PM >Subject: Those Voiceprint bastards Reply > > >Dear Kris, > >thought you might want a quick read of this one . . . > >Rob > > >PS Feel free to post it to the list > > > >-------------Forwarded Message----------------- > >From: VP-MO, Voiceprint_mailorder >To: 1, INTERNET:fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK > >CC: 2, INTERNET:spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET > 3, INTERNET:beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM > 4, INTERNET:m.j.crook at TALK21.COM > 5, INTERNET:bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE > 6, INTERNET:dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK > 7, INTERNET:stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK > 8, INTERNET:tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU > 9, INTERNET:sprawl at STARPOWER.NET > 11, INTERNET:DASLUD at AOL.COM > > >Date: 13/12/99 19:05 PM > >RE: Those Voiceprint bastards Reply > >The Bastards Reply . . . . > >Dear Hawkfans, > >It is with great interest I have read your mail concerning my company. I >feel there is some basic misconceptions / misunderstandings happen here. In >this e-mail I hop that this will answer some / if not all the issues you >have. > >Free CD / Stamp system. > >The reason you have to cut the booklet up is very simple. A vast majority >of stores in the UK remove inserted "bounce back" / "reply cards" from CDs >they fear that we will approach you directly with some fantastic offers and >cut the shop out. We may well do that, but equally so we may not. But >imagine how you great and dedicated fans would feel if some of you got the >cards with the coupons on and some did not. I know how I would feel ! ! > >The reason we dont accept photocopy coupons. Is simple we are a very small >company and photocopies would be open to fraud. I know nine out of ten fans >wouldnt do this but we have had problems with previous offers. > >Also it is worth noting it is on a third flap. This can easily be removed >with out damaging the booklet / artwork. > >The idea of the FREE CD is so that you the collectors get some thing back >for your money and loyalty of buying this series of CDs. How many of you >bought the releases on Castle Communications PLC. just for the different >cover ? What did they give you in return ? (answers on a post card to >Voiceprint at the usual address). > >Greasy Truckers Party > >EMI requested that we do not issue this recording on CD as they own the >copyright. > >Glastonbury 90. > >This is the Tape that Dave gave me personally and asked to be issued on CD. >I guess he was fed up with bootleg issues of this gig. > >Live 82. > >Edits were conducted under Daves supervision. He requested sections to be >removed for artistic reasons. Dave as the leader of the band has a complete >veto on ANYTHING we issue. I am beholden to him to ensure he is 100% happy >with the releases. > >Distribution. > >ALL Voiceprint products are available in most UK shops. If you cant find it >there it is the shop who has refused to stock the CD. NOT us to ship the CD >to them. (please allow for the occasional out of stocks). > >It is our job to sell as many CDs as possible in order to pay the best >royalties to the band so they can keep producing the music we all know and >love. > >Further to the plan to give to loyal fans a good deal. You can buy the >Hawkwind CDs single at 9.99 GBP each (three for 25.00 GBP) or doubles at >15.00 GBP (three for 40.00 GBP). From Voiceprint Mail Order, please email >me at this address with your snail mail details so we can post you a >leaflet. > >The Hawkwind titles will be distributed in the US during Y2K. > >Conclusion. > >So you think we are bastards then. I am a dedicated Hawk fan. I have been >so for nearly twenty years now (yes a new comer to some of you, but my >parents didnt get it together earlier). I have watched year after year at >the same tracks coming out in a different sequence with a different cover, >not authorized by the band and I was fed up with it. So I am in the lucky >enough position to be able to do some thing about it (i.e. owning a record >company). So now we are doing what I (and the band) consider interesting >issues on CD at a fair price and with interesting artwork and all you lot >do is MOAN ! ! > >So OK. > >1). Lets shelve;- Atomhenge - Live 76, > >2). Why dont you stick to listening to cassette versions of the Weird >Tapes instead of digitally re-mastered versions CDs, with new artwork and >credits ? > >3). Lets not bother with a free CD to all you people have baought the >set. Then nobody has to cut up their CD sleeve. > >Everybody happy now then ? ? ? ? > > >Mr. Bastard himself. > From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Dec 14 11:31:44 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:31:44 -0000 Subject: HW: BASTARD INC....he's makin' a list, checkin' it twice...or not Message-ID: Good call my man, and he does a good review too! Dave -----Original Message----- From: M Holmes To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 14 December 1999 15:36 Subject: Re: HW: BASTARD INC....he's makin' a list, checkin' it twice...or not >Stephan Spiegel writes: > >> Hey ! Don't get me in on this "sticker" "free CD" mess.... I haven't >> complained >> about it. I just want to try and make things easier and keep everyone >> happy. >> >> If anyone can think of a better way to do this, lets swap ideas and maybe >> change >> it that way. > >I suggest that Voiceprint nominate specific retailers such as Andy >Garibaldi who will confirm to them that we have actually purchased the >CDs. > >FoFP > From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Dec 14 13:50:21 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 13:50:21 EST Subject: We have a little list... Message-ID: In a message dated 12/14/99 10:35:04 AM, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: << I'd thought that someone was mailing Kris/Hawkwind to let 'em know that their distributors have taken umbrage at what was said in the BOC-L "private" mailing list concerning some design flaws in their products.>> ====== i consider this exchange over. but. mr....e-mailed me twice after i responded to his e-mail yesterday. the first one was more or less an apology for sending his classic to me. AH, but the second one appeared to be negating the first one, because I....was on "the list". so doug pearson posted that address for the BOC-L archives , the place where we all live in infamy, guys n' gals. i went and saw the post of mine which had earned me my place on "the list". it's my bit of an xchange w/mastuh theo, we're waxing smartass political, it had >nothing< to do with voiceprint. so then, when he posted "the list" to kris tait, whom he appeared to know pretty well, it seemed like "tattling", f'r pete's sake. hence my reply. (oh i do love xplaining) so positive results are gonna ensue from this, right? cheers to the sellers and the collectors then. heh "<>" From sprawl at STARPOWER.NET Tue Dec 14 14:04:47 1999 From: sprawl at STARPOWER.NET (Sprawl) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:04:47 -0500 Subject: HW: BASTARD INC....he's makin' a list, checkin' it twice...or not Message-ID: Wouldn't worry about it. Kris is way too smart place too much interest into the ravings of someone who simply copied email addy's from a thread, WITHOUT EVEN BOTHERING TO READ THE MESSAGES. I am sitting right here, laughing my ass off. It is too bad I got Mr. Bastard's (not so) private message first. I already sent him a PRIVATE message that was ALL TOO friendly. Silence would have been better. =) Oh, well. This only reinforces the reasons why I cut back on my posts to this list. I have no desire what-so-ever to be mis-represented by every whispering ninny that decides to poke it's silly little head into the list. Ron Jennings -----Original Message----- From: DASLUD at AOL.COM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Monday, December 13, 1999 7:56 PM Subject: Re: HW: BASTARD INC....he's makin' a list, checkin' it twice...or not >===================== >okay y'all, LISTEN UP! > >if mr bastard feels it's necessary to compile this "list" and forward it to >kris tait, then in future mr. bastard can DAMN WELL examine the contents >first. >thanks, doug, i saw my post in question and it's got f*ck-all to do w/mister >bastard's product. he could have found that out himself had he checked. > >my problem isnt getting caught in the blast, or the net, or what have you. i >dont like the implications of this list-of-names CRAP. >what was ms tait to make of this list? >what did you want it to mean when you sent it to her? > >INSERT BRONX CHEER >AS APPLICABLE > >"<>" > From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 14 13:09:31 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:09:31 EDT Subject: We have a little list... In-Reply-To: <0.721c8cda.2587eb6d@aol.com> Message-ID: On 14 Dec 99 at 13:50, DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > so doug pearson posted that address for the BOC-L archives , the place where > we all live in infamy, guys n' gals. i went and saw the post of mine which > had earned me my place on "the list". it's my bit of an xchange w/mastuh > theo, we're waxing smartass political, it had >nothing< to do with voiceprint. > > so then, when he posted "the list" to kris tait, whom he appeared to know > pretty well, it seemed like "tattling", f'r pete's sake. > hence my reply. > Hey, <>, imagine MY shock, being on the list. I don't even own ANY HW stuff apart for some comp. tapes courtesy of the dear departed Christian. though that surely will change in the new year when all this new HW stuff should be avail. in the US. Not that I think this coupon system is a good idea, though... theo From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Dec 14 14:58:45 1999 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (IAN ABRAHAMS) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 19:58:45 -0000 Subject: HW Voiceprint and Us Message-ID: Before I start - sorry if I lose any friends here but I want to make some observations on recent controversies: 1) Hawkwind & Us Looking at the discussion group and the Mission Control Guestbook and reading Kris Tait's comments it seems that observations/thoughts on the recent tour have been created a little disapointment close to the band. But, Hawkwind is not a piece of consumable merchandise for which you hand over your cash. When we go to see any artistic performance that is what we are paying for, a person(s) own artistic (in this case musical) vision. The fact that there are however many people on the BOC-L list wanting to hear "Hurry on Sundown" should be totally academic to the artist. Whilst as a sort of "organised" fandom we are having a good time discussing what we liked and didn't like, the artist should be playing the music he(they) want to play, in the musical genre he(they) want to play in. I don't see it as the artist's role to produce what the fan wants to hear, just what he is artistically lead to create. In other words, contrast with The Clash "Complete Control", you know the one where the businessman tells the artist what to do. Organised fandom should not be casting it's self in the role of the businessman, just discussing the performance as it's receipients. I think that's largely what we do. The other side of the coin is that the artist has to accept that, perhaps without listening in. A slightly different analogy, which some people won't understand: Doctor Who used to be a succesful TV series until the producers tried to listen to the fans and produce it for them. Then it died. Hawkwind have not fallen into that trap and nor should they. 2) Voiceprint & Us This is different. Here we are consumers of product and we have every right to discuss and criticise. Voiceprint might think (and I might agree with them) that it is pretty damn ridiculous for buyers to complain about cutting out a small piece of card from the packaging to get a freebie, considering what they were actually buying was a CD of music! Nethertheless, it is correct that the purchaser can express his view and the seller at least attempt to understand where that view point is coming from. I certainly agree that lower sound quality releases should be flagged as such (like the Treworgey video was) so that the consumer knows what he is getting, that is simply just good practice. Frankly, it you are going to be in business you have got to take customer criticism "on the chin". I think Voiceprint are doing a good job, but as a customer it is my (our) right to expect/demand an understanding of the product we are buying. Sorry folks, this is a long ramble but I wanted to post a view and I hope that people a) understand what I am trying to constructively say and b) appreciate the spirit in which it is said. We're all here because we are fans, right? Ian Abrahams ian at abrahamsi.freeserve.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET Tue Dec 14 15:15:49 1999 From: cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:15:49 -0500 Subject: HW Voiceprint and Us In-Reply-To: <000901bf466d$d0c7d540$57b2883e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Bravo! Mikey ________________________ -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of IAN ABRAHAMS Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 2:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW Voiceprint and Us Before I start - sorry if I lose any friends here but I want to make some observations on recent controversies: 1) Hawkwind & Us Looking at the discussion group and the Mission Control Guestbook and reading Kris Tait's comments it seems that observations/thoughts on the recent tour have been created a little disapointment close to the band. But, Hawkwind is not a piece of consumable merchandise for which you hand over your cash. When we go to see any artistic performance that is what we are paying for, a person(s) own artistic (in this case musical) vision. The fact that there are however many people on the BOC-L list wanting to hear "Hurry on Sundown" should be totally academic to the artist. Whilst as a sort of "organised" fandom we are having a good time discussing what we liked and didn't like, the artist should be playing the music he(they) want to play, in the musical genre he(they) want to play in. I don't see it as the artist's role to produce what the fan wants to hear, just what he is artistically lead to create. In other words, contrast with The Clash "Complete Control", you know the one where the businessman tells the artist what to do. Organised fandom should not be casting it's self in the role of the businessman, just discussing the performance as it's receipients. I think that's largely what we do. The other side of the coin is that the artist has to accept that, perhaps without listening in. A slightly different analogy, which some people won't understand: Doctor Who used to be a succesful TV series until the producers tried to listen to the fans and produce it for them. Then it died. Hawkwind have not fallen into that trap and nor should they. 2) Voiceprint & Us This is different. Here we are consumers of product and we have every right to discuss and criticise. Voiceprint might think (and I might agree with them) that it is pretty damn ridiculous for buyers to complain about cutting out a small piece of card from the packaging to get a freebie, considering what they were actually buying was a CD of music! Nethertheless, it is correct that the purchaser can express his view and the seller at least attempt to understand where that view point is coming from. I certainly agree that lower sound quality releases should be flagged as such (like the Treworgey video was) so that the consumer knows what he is getting, that is simply just good practice. Frankly, it you are going to be in business you have got to take customer criticism "on the chin". I think Voiceprint are doing a good job, but as a customer it is my (our) right to expect/demand an understanding of the product we are buying. Sorry folks, this is a long ramble but I wanted to post a view and I hope that people a) understand what I am trying to constructively say and b) appreciate the spirit in which it is said. We're all here because we are fans, right? Ian Abrahams ian at abrahamsi.freeserve.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.j.crook at TALK21.COM Tue Dec 14 16:23:47 1999 From: m.j.crook at TALK21.COM (Michael Crook) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 21:23:47 GMT Subject: Voiceprint Reply Message-ID: Hello Everybody, As a receiver of Voiceprint's personal reply, I would like to point out that I do not think that they are 'bastards',(I even deleted 'bastards' from the subject heading of my BOC mail on 4th Dec 99). I merely commented on the 'Complete 79' cd's sound quality (which is still a good listen) and the gig(s) it was recorded at. I also never commented on subject of the tokens and I think that VP are doing a pretty good job espescially as Dave B. has a personal input on the releases. So I was rather puzzled by the personal response from VP. All the best, Mick. -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Dec 14 17:57:16 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 22:57:16 +0000 Subject: HW: BASTARD INC....he's makin' a list, checkin' it twice...or not In-Reply-To: <047901bf4619$4438e7d0$3d01a8c0@tpd.co.uk> Message-ID: At 09:54 14.12.1999 -0000, you wrote: >Cheers, > >Rich. > >** Mind the oranges, Marlon! ** > Who probably rests in peace in Lincolnshire by now.... ChrisW "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From CCollins54 at AOL.COM Tue Dec 14 22:02:10 1999 From: CCollins54 at AOL.COM (CCollins54 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 22:02:10 EST Subject: vinyl collection Message-ID: I am sending a list of the vinyl for sale. If possible, I would like to sell it all at one time. One buyer. I am waiting to try to do that. In the meantime if you have a bid to make for the entire collection or the entire Hawkwind collection or the non Hawkwind collection or whatever you like, make your list up and send it to me. Peace and Love, Jim Collins -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Dec 15 01:43:55 1999 From: ian at ABRAHAMSI.FREESERVE.CO.UK (IAN ABRAHAMS) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 06:43:55 -0000 Subject: HW: Voiceprint and Us Message-ID: Before I start - sorry if I lose any friends here but I want to make some observations on recent controversies: 1) Hawkwind & Us Looking at the discussion group and the Mission Control Guestbook and reading Kris Tait's comments it seems that observations/thoughts on the recent tour have been created a little disapointment close to the band. But, Hawkwind is not a piece of consumable merchandise for which you hand over your cash. When we go to see any artistic performance that is what we are paying for, a person(s) own artistic (in this case musical) vision. The fact that there are however many people on the BOC-L list wanting to hear "Hurry on Sundown" should be totally academic to the artist. Whilst as a sort of "organised" fandom we are having a good time discussing what we liked and didn't like, the artist should be playing the music he(they) want to play, in the musical genre he(they) want to play in. I don't see it as the artist's role to produce what the fan wants to hear, just what he is artistically lead to create. In other words, contrast with The Clash "Complete Control", you know the one where the businessman tells the artist what to do. Organised fandom should not be casting it's self in the role of the businessman, just discussing the performance as it's receipients. I think that's largely what we do. The other side of the coin is that the artist has to accept that, perhaps without listening in. A slightly different analogy, which some people won't understand: Doctor Who used to be a succesful TV series until the producers tried to listen to the fans and produce it for them. Then it died. Hawkwind have not fallen into that trap and nor should they. 2) Voiceprint & Us This is different. Here we are consumers of product and we have every right to discuss and criticise. Voiceprint might think (and I might agree with them) that it is pretty damn ridiculous for buyers to complain about cutting out a small piece of card from the packaging to get a freebie, considering what they were actually buying was a CD of music! Nethertheless, it is correct that the purchaser can express his view and the seller at least attempt to understand where that view point is coming from. I certainly agree that lower sound quality releases should be flagged as such (like the Treworgey video was) so that the consumer knows what he is getting, that is simply just good practice. Frankly, it you are going to be in business you have got to take customer criticism "on the chin". I think Voiceprint are doing a good job, but as a customer it is my (our) right to expect/demand an understanding of the product we are buying. Sorry folks, this is a long ramble but I wanted to post a view and I hope that people a) understand what I am trying to constructively say and b) appreciate the spirit in which it is said. We're all here because we are fans, right? Ian Abrahams ian at abrahamsi.freeserve.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Dec 15 06:20:33 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:20:33 -0000 Subject: Greatest Riff of the Millenium Message-ID: Just noticed that Don't Fear The Reaper was voted 16th in The Guitar Magazine. That list in full: Layla Purple Haze Whole Lotta Love Smoke On The Water Voodoo Chile Smells like Teen Spirit Black Dog Johnny B Goode Day Tripper Enter Sandman Jumping Jack Flash Dust My Broom Come as You Are (Nirvana, NOT Peter Wolff!) Walk This Way Satisfaction DFtR Sweet Child o' Mine Brown Sugar You Really Got Me Money For Nothing (I ask you - Smells Like More Than A Feeling better than Johnny B Goode - I ask you. etc. etc. etc.) :-) Cheers, Rich. ** Mind the oranges, Marlon! ** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Dec 15 06:27:48 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 06:27:48 EST Subject: Greatest Riff of the Millenium Message-ID: In a message dated 12/15/99 6:20:33 AM, rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM writes: << That list in full: Layla Purple Haze Whole Lotta Love Smoke On The Water Voodoo Chile Smells like Teen Spirit Black Dog Johnny B Goode Day Tripper Enter Sandman Jumping Jack Flash Dust My Broom Come as You Are (Nirvana, NOT Peter Wolff!) Walk This Way Satisfaction DFtR Sweet Child o' Mine Brown Sugar You Really Got Me Money For Nothing >> ================== ...and no "louie louie" to which i say "phooey" "<>" well yeah. the kingsmen version got played on elec kybd but how many other versions didnt? (mo'head and the stooges first coming to mind ) From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Dec 15 08:18:01 1999 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 05:18:01 PST Subject: Greatest Riff of the Millenium Message-ID: >(I ask you - Smells Like More Than A Feeling better than Johnny B Goode - I >ask you. etc. etc. etc.) Smells like Godzilla more like. Am I the only person to think Kurt wrote this song directly as a tribute to those screaming people on subway trains screaming "My God!" as he looked in on them? Anyway, everybody knows that the greatest riff of the millennium is a toss-up between Harverster of Eyes and After Forever. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 15 07:46:00 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:46:00 EDT Subject: Greatest Riff of the Millenium In-Reply-To: <19991215131801.77489.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: On 15 Dec 99 at 5:18, Horse Whisperer wrote: > > Anyway, everybody knows that the greatest riff of the millennium is a > toss-up between Harverster of Eyes and After Forever. Hmm...well, I think maybe the best riff ever was written by one A. Bouchard: COFWRAR... theo From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Wed Dec 15 08:55:30 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:55:30 -0500 Subject: X-Bros Message-ID: > So I finally broke down and ordered X-Brothers "Solid Citizens". I > saw Cult Brothers a long time ago in Binghamton, and I don't remember > much about their original stuff (except that I liked it). For some > reason, "Hot Time In Hell" stands out in my memory as one I > particularly enjoyed. > > So what am I in for? Is it as good as I remembered? Yeah - "Solid Citizens" is a good name for this album because it is, well, "solid". Most of the tracks are great - my own favorites are "Hot Time In Hell", "Wild Ones", "On Fire With Love", and "Run To The Sun". Not quite as varied, as say tBS, but good straight-ahead rock and roll. Some nice little transitions in-between the songs ("Yo Bouchard - don't worry about those peopel suing you..."). John From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Dec 15 10:36:35 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 10:36:35 -0500 Subject: Greatest Riff of the Millenium Message-ID: It has been mentioned... >Just noticed that Don't Fear The Reaper was voted 16th in The Guitar >Magazine. > >That list in full: >Layla > Hmmm...a bit of a coincidence. As a Christmas present to my oldest brother, now mid-40ish, I made up a CD-R of the kind of stuff I know he likes...classic guitar riffs of the power chord variety. So here's the 74 minutes I came up with...of course, I didn't put in anything common that I was certain he had/knew too well. So no LZ, BOC (the aforementiond CoFwRaR woulda been my choice I think), DP (and other Blackmore entities), Metallica, etc. So everything *had* to be somewhat obscure. Of course, I had to leave out a lot of cool stuff, like Monster Magnet (I had chosen "Evil is Going On"), Saxon ("Princess of the Night"), the second half of Roger Taylor's "IiC/Airheads," Orange Goblin's "Solarisphere" (too long dammit!), Amon D??l II's "Little Tornadoes," and some others that have now eluded me. Anyway, I guess these are some of my candidates (ordered chronologically) for Riff of the Millenium, or at least since 1972. Which is the nearly the same in my book anyway. :) Hmmm..three bands from Toronto (TPoH, 13 Engines, and Tea Party)...I think that's the only city in No. America that still knows how to 'rock' in the old way, stoners notwithstanding. Keith H. (FAA) Black Sabbath - Tomorrow's Dream Captain Beyond - Dancing Madly Backwards Scorpions - Top of the Bill Judas Priest - Desert Plains Roger Taylor - Interlude in Constantinople Y&T - Black Tiger MSG - Assault Attack Hawkwind - Arrival in Utopia Queensryche - Queen of the Reich Mot?rhead - Dancing on your Grave Danzig - Twist of Cain The Pursuit of Happiness - Consciousness Raising as a Social Tool The Buck Pets - Pearls 13 Engines - Perpetual Motion Machine Diamond Head - Calling Your Name Kingston Wall - Another Piece of Cake Porcupine Tree - Signify The Tea Party - Temptation Orange Goblin - Blue Snow From StevenTice at AOL.COM Wed Dec 15 11:56:22 1999 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:56:22 EST Subject: Greatest Riff of the Millenium Message-ID: In a message dated 12/15/99 8:46:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: << Hmm...well, I think maybe the best riff ever was written by one A. Bouchard: COFWRAR... >> I believe I read somewhere that Roeser came up with the riff, and Albert wrote most of the rest of the song...or am I getting them switched? Also, note the similarity between the Cities on Flame riff and the E.T.I. riff... SET From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 15 12:08:04 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:08:04 EDT Subject: Greatest Riff of the Millenium In-Reply-To: <0.1c8c5bbd.25892236@aol.com> Message-ID: On 15 Dec 99 at 11:56, Steven Tice wrote: > > Also, note the similarity between the Cities on Flame riff and the E.T.I. > riff... > Exc. that CoF is in F-sharp and ETI is in E, I believe... theo From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Dec 15 13:36:44 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:36:44 -0000 Subject: Mojo Message-ID: The good Dr. Technical and Lemmy appear yet again in Mojo. This is almost making up for the almost zero media coverage in the eighties. Which festival was that again? Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colum26 at YAHOO.COM Wed Dec 15 13:40:16 1999 From: colum26 at YAHOO.COM (colm mcwilliams) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 10:40:16 -0800 Subject: HW: Silver Machine Church - passwords? Message-ID: Dan, I tried to log in with the shared password but it wouldn't let me in. colm --- Dan Witt wrote: > I have a new mp3 of The Church performing Silver > Machine(from the fall > tour) up on my freedisk space. The shared folder > password is > "borntogo", same as always. The url is; > > http://www.freediskspace.com/Folders/107738/ > > > The file is 160kbps, 8852kb, named > silvermachine.mp3. It sounds like > they were trying to be pretty faithful to the > original. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From lwitt1 at USWEST.NET Wed Dec 15 13:54:01 1999 From: lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:54:01 -0600 Subject: HW: Silver Machine Church - passwords? Message-ID: I just tried it using borntogo and it worked. Could be your your browser or your registration password. colm mcwilliams wrote: > > Dan, > I tried to log in with the shared password but it > wouldn't let me in. > > colm > > --- Dan Witt wrote: > > I have a new mp3 of The Church performing Silver > > Machine(from the fall > > tour) up on my freedisk space. The shared folder > > password is > > "borntogo", same as always. The url is; > > > > http://www.freediskspace.com/Folders/107738/ > > > > > > The file is 160kbps, 8852kb, named > > silvermachine.mp3. It sounds like > > they were trying to be pretty faithful to the > > original. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. > Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Dec 15 15:14:52 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:14:52 -0800 Subject: HW:Recent v Old/Poll Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:54:11 +0000, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > I have problems with ASAM, and they principally lie in the fact >that I just find the sound too slick and shallow. When the songs have been >played with other line-ups, e.g. the CB version of `Reefer Madness', and >the version of `Steppenwolf' on the '97 tour, they've shone. Yeah! Both *great*! >Only the >proggy keyboard ones belong in the sound of that album, and I do like >`Aubergine' and that `Kadu Flyer' is my favourite. But with the songs >with riffs, I just listen to their music-box sound levels with >heart-sinking disappointment each time. Though I'm generally singing along >by halfway through `Steppenwolf'. That's a very good point I hadn't thought of. I was thinking primarily of the songs themselves (and the musicians' performances), but it's moreso the PRODUCTION that really makes ASAM stand out in a weird way relative to previous (and many subsequent) HW albums. In some ways it was the "best" (as in cleanest and most commercial) production on a HW record to date, but clean and commercial production just isn't right for them (at least not at the time ... I think that kind of production works OK on Levitation, but not ASAM). > And Doug, you're entitled to your view of course, but Steve >Swindells? The man responsible for the *inspired* keyboard parts on >`Valium 10' and `British Tribal Music'? This must surely be some new use >of the word "talent" of which I was not previously aware... I don't think it's really fair to assess someone's talent based on what were outtakes (there's a reason why that stuff wasn't released at the time!). I was thinking more of Swindell's performance on 'Hawklords/25 Years On' (very nicely arranged/orchestrated which made him an acceptable replacement for Simon House even if he's no Simon) and the Hawklords live album (great energy and jamming!). And I think the keyboard playing on "Valium Ten" is as good as anything Harvey played with the band (and even the keyboard playing on "British Tribal Music" is still better than anything Keith Hale did with the band, but that's not saying much). But it's tough to judge someone who was in the band for only one studio album ... > Is there anything legit. by HW with Fred Reeves on it, anyway? Not that I'm aware of, although I should check the recording dates for some of the later Anthology/Acid Daze tracks. But definitely no studio recordings. >QEH doesn't exactly leave me jaw-dropped. Me neither (although I love the songs and Bob's performance), but it's an intentionally minimal performance (Calvert was always telling the band to turn down) playing along with a drum machine, which is one of the surest ways I know of to stifle a musician's creativity; you can't jam out when you already know exactly how many measures are supposed to be in the song! I recently heard a recording of the Maximum Effect's (Steve Pond, Fred & Mick Stupp post-ICU, pre-Krankschaft/Calvert) last show that is incredible. The band's playing at breakneck speed, so Fred winds up sounding like Jerry Lee Lewis playing Simon House's keyboard parts while jacked up on speed. He's playing lead keyboard (Steve plays mostly rhythm guitar parts) AND singing most of the lead vocals. I wish I could do all that at once. >I'll rank Tim Blake close behind >Simon and Harvey not long after till someone convinces me otherwise. Tim's a great *synth* player (possibly even better than Del Dettmar, although that's a tough call), but not an exceptional keyboardist IMO. But purely as *keyboard* players, I'd put Steve, Harvey, Fred & Tim all at the same "order of magnitude" below Simon ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From g.m.wright at TINYONLINE.CO.UK Wed Dec 15 15:45:18 1999 From: g.m.wright at TINYONLINE.CO.UK (g.m.wright) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:45:18 -0000 Subject: disaster ! Message-ID: A terrible thing happened to me today, my copy of HW live at hammersmith 88 got all chewed up. Is there anyone out there who could help me by replacing it? Thanks Geoff geoff wright g.m.wright at tinyonline.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Dec 15 16:12:04 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:12:04 -0000 Subject: HW:Recent v Old/Poll (ON Keys...) Message-ID: Simon House at number one for his playing with Hawkwind, however, I bought the Spiral Realms Live CD and wasn't exactly bowled over. Is this representative of the other stuff? If not, what else should I try? Overall I put Tim on top, Gong trilogy, Steve Hillages's Fish Rising, Nik's Xitintoday, the solo stuff, but most importantly the performance at the Gong reunion. Also good - Steve Swindells Fresh Blood (a kind of proto-Hawklords feel with Huw, Simon King, and Nic Potter). Points also for (Ded) Fred Reeves for his playing on the Earth Ritual tour, not bad violin playing for so little practice - his impromptu gig in the foyer of his hotel spread a little anarchy. Trivia time: did Steve Swindells ever DJ at clubs in Soho in the late eighties/early nineties? Or was that a different Steve Swindells? Dave -----Original Message----- From: Doug Pearson To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 15 December 1999 20:22 Subject: Re: HW:Recent v Old/Poll >On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:54:11 +0000, Jonathan Jarrett > wrote: >> I have problems with ASAM, and they principally lie in the fact >>that I just find the sound too slick and shallow. When the songs have been >>played with other line-ups, e.g. the CB version of `Reefer Madness', and >>the version of `Steppenwolf' on the '97 tour, they've shone. > >Yeah! Both *great*! > >>Only the >>proggy keyboard ones belong in the sound of that album, and I do like >>`Aubergine' and that `Kadu Flyer' is my favourite. But with the songs >>with riffs, I just listen to their music-box sound levels with >>heart-sinking disappointment each time. Though I'm generally singing along >>by halfway through `Steppenwolf'. > >That's a very good point I hadn't thought of. I was thinking primarily of >the songs themselves (and the musicians' performances), but it's moreso the >PRODUCTION that really makes ASAM stand out in a weird way relative to >previous (and many subsequent) HW albums. In some ways it was the "best" >(as in cleanest and most commercial) production on a HW record to date, but >clean and commercial production just isn't right for them (at least not at >the time ... I think that kind of production works OK on Levitation, but >not ASAM). > >> And Doug, you're entitled to your view of course, but Steve >>Swindells? The man responsible for the *inspired* keyboard parts on >>`Valium 10' and `British Tribal Music'? This must surely be some new use >>of the word "talent" of which I was not previously aware... > >I don't think it's really fair to assess someone's talent based on what >were outtakes (there's a reason why that stuff wasn't released at the >time!). I was thinking more of Swindell's performance on 'Hawklords/25 >Years On' (very nicely arranged/orchestrated which made him an acceptable >replacement for Simon House even if he's no Simon) and the Hawklords live >album (great energy and jamming!). And I think the keyboard playing on >"Valium Ten" is as good as anything Harvey played with the band (and even >the keyboard playing on "British Tribal Music" is still better than >anything Keith Hale did with the band, but that's not saying much). But >it's tough to judge someone who was in the band for only one studio album ... > >> Is there anything legit. by HW with Fred Reeves on it, anyway? > >Not that I'm aware of, although I should check the recording dates for some >of the later Anthology/Acid Daze tracks. But definitely no studio recordings. > >>QEH doesn't exactly leave me jaw-dropped. > >Me neither (although I love the songs and Bob's performance), but it's an >intentionally minimal performance (Calvert was always telling the band to >turn down) playing along with a drum machine, which is one of the surest >ways I know of to stifle a musician's creativity; you can't jam out when >you already know exactly how many measures are supposed to be in the song! > >I recently heard a recording of the Maximum Effect's (Steve Pond, Fred & >Mick Stupp post-ICU, pre-Krankschaft/Calvert) last show that is incredible. > The band's playing at breakneck speed, so Fred winds up sounding like >Jerry Lee Lewis playing Simon House's keyboard parts while jacked up on >speed. He's playing lead keyboard (Steve plays mostly rhythm guitar parts) >AND singing most of the lead vocals. I wish I could do all that at once. > >>I'll rank Tim Blake close behind >>Simon and Harvey not long after till someone convinces me otherwise. > >Tim's a great *synth* player (possibly even better than Del Dettmar, >although that's a tough call), but not an exceptional keyboardist IMO. But >purely as *keyboard* players, I'd put Steve, Harvey, Fred & Tim all at the >same "order of magnitude" below Simon ... > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com > From StevenTice at AOL.COM Wed Dec 15 16:18:57 1999 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:18:57 EST Subject: Greatest Riff of the Millenium Message-ID: In a message dated 12/15/99 1:08:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: << Exc. that CoF is in F-sharp and ETI is in E, I believe... >> You know, I don't think the key is really relevant...the same riff could be played in ANY key. It's like buying a car...it's the same kind of car regardless of the color you choose. :-) SET From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Wed Dec 15 16:42:29 1999 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:42:29 -0000 Subject: Chadwind gig Message-ID: Found this posting on the Mission Control guest book today... Name: richard Website: Referred by: Just Surfed On In From: earth Time: 1999-12-15 03:16:30 Comments: me and jerry and ron are doing a gig at the Porter Butt pub in Bath Saturday night Dec. 18 . More info from pub . oh yeah the pubs on the London Road tn Bath Highly unlikely that I'll make it (rather too far for a pub gig!) but it sound like it could be fun. Nick From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Dec 15 17:01:49 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:01:49 -0800 Subject: HW:Recent v Old/Poll (ON Keys...) Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:12:04 -0000, david hall wrote: >Simon House at number one for his playing with Hawkwind, however, I bought >the Spiral Realms Live CD and wasn't exactly bowled over. Is this >representative of the other stuff? I'm afraid that it is (his solo material, at least). Even though I'm a *huge* Simon House fan (I even own the Bowie and Japan albums he's on ... OK not the Thomas Dolby one), his Spiral Realms and solo releases don't do much for me. They're very nice, the playing's good ... but like many (most?) musicians, Simon does better in a band than solo. >If not, what else should I try? If you don't have the original two High Tide albums, definitely check those out. Also the posthumous 'Interesting Times' release of c.1972 jams is great. -Doug ceres at sirius.com From bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET Wed Dec 15 17:31:23 1999 From: bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET (Brian Halligan) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:31:23 -0500 Subject: Greatest Riff of the Millenium In-Reply-To: <0.18a5fa02.25895fc1@aol.com> Message-ID: SET wrote: >In a message dated 12/15/99 1:08:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, >tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: > ><< Exc. that CoF is in F-sharp and ETI is in E, I believe... >> > >You know, I don't think the key is really relevant...the same riff could be >played in ANY key. It's like buying a car...it's the same kind of car >regardless of the color you choose. :-) To me, the riff of CoF is a take on the riff of "The Wizard" by Black Sabbath wedded to the horn runs in "21st Century Schizoid Man." Didn't Al say it was something like this a long time ago? I know...look in the FAQ.... Brian From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Wed Dec 15 20:52:58 1999 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:52:58 EST Subject: Greatest Riff of the Millenium Message-ID: here's a fun game: ask any guitarist you know to play you the riff from 'smells like teen spirit', then ask him to play you the riff from 'godzilla'. watch the fun begin! picking on a dead guy, rmayo From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Wed Dec 15 20:58:00 1999 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:58:00 EST Subject: Greatest Riff of the Millenium Message-ID: theo sez: <> even al will tell you that the riff you mention was "inspired by" black sabbath's 'the wizard'; he's quoted as saying such on john's boc faq pg. and "inspired by' is putting it mildly... billious screeds to: rmayo From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Wed Dec 15 21:08:58 1999 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:08:58 EST Subject: Greatest Riff of the Millenium Message-ID: 21st century schizoid man the train kept a'rollin' you really got me johnny b. goode smoke on the water (because we could play it before we could play!) highway to hell black dog godzilla paranoid (next time you hear this, think 'ramones'...) cat scratch fever there's ten, not my faves, but off the top of me 'ead. rmayo From jbono at RCN.COM Wed Dec 15 21:21:29 1999 From: jbono at RCN.COM (John) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:21:29 -0500 Subject: Greatest Riff of the Millenium Message-ID: CoF is in F#minor and ETI is in E. Harley John ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Halligan To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 5:31 PM Subject: Re: Greatest Riff of the Millenium > SET wrote: > >In a message dated 12/15/99 1:08:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, > >tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: > > > ><< Exc. that CoF is in F-sharp and ETI is in E, I believe... >> > > > >You know, I don't think the key is really relevant...the same riff could be > >played in ANY key. It's like buying a car...it's the same kind of car > >regardless of the color you choose. :-) > > To me, the riff of CoF is a take on the riff of "The Wizard" by Black > Sabbath wedded to the horn runs in "21st Century Schizoid Man." Didn't Al > say it was something like this a long time ago? I know...look in the FAQ.... > > Brian From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Dec 15 22:58:34 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:58:34 EST Subject: Greatest Riff of the Millenium Message-ID: In a message dated 12/15/99 5:54:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, RMayo19761 at AOL.COM writes: > here's a fun game: > ask any guitarist you know to play you the riff from 'smells like teen > spirit', then ask him to play you the riff from 'godzilla'. watch the fun > begin! > picking on a dead guy, > rmayo Or how about the Doors' "Peace Frog"?? Chuck From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Thu Dec 16 00:26:41 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 00:26:41 -0500 Subject: OFF: Greatest Riff of the Millenium/MC5 misc. In-Reply-To: <0.aa7e02b6.2589bd6a@aol.com> Message-ID: >Or how about the Doors' "Peace Frog"?? Chuck Good riff. Adding to the list of inconsequential guitar preferences: Smokestack Lightning-Yardbirds version Seige and Investiture of Baron von Frank's castle-- the Imginos band under the name of BOC Oh Well -- Fleetwood Mac Larks Tongues in Aspic, Part II/ the guitar motif in Starless -- King Crimson Wish me Well-- Procol Harum Secret Agent Man -- J. Rivers St Vitus Dance -- Brain Surgeons Rolling and Tumbling, Part 2/ I Can't be Satisfied -- Muddy Waters What'd I Say -- Ray Charles Topsy Part 2 -- Cozy Cole (sure its done on organ,. but its just so COOL) thunder express -- a good CD. Has the best version of Rama Lama Fa Fa Fa on it Ive ever heard by the MC5. the middle break turns into a drum/guitars triple improv thats intense. Motor Citys Burning on it makes the lyrics decipherable too! Very punky kinda attitude on the disc. Great cover of "Empty Hearts" by the Rolling Stones. Supposedly of a TV gig they band did in France in 1972, with someone other than Michael Davis on the bass. They slipped the single I Can Only give You Everything/ I just Dont KNow and the John Sinclair produces Borderline/Looking at You on there. Weird mixing. sounds like real illegi copies they were using for those 4 songs. Then again it is Skydog records were talking about. They did a CD of the live BOC 1970 EP a while a go if memory serve me correctly. night time's the right time to dig the one you dig, Jason From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Dec 15 23:55:30 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 23:55:30 EST Subject: Greatest Riff of the Millenium Message-ID: In a message dated 12/15/99 9:16:56 PM, RMayo19761 at AOL.COM writes: << paranoid (next time you hear this, think 'ramones'...) >> ========= nahhhhhhh.... think "communication breakdown" the grand-daddiest grand-dad of 'em all hee hee "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Dec 16 00:04:44 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 00:04:44 EST Subject: OFF: Greatest Riff of the Millenium/MC5 misc. Message-ID: In a message dated 12/15/99 11:45:45 PM, js3619 at WIZVAX.NET writes: << Smokestack Lightning-Yardbirds version >> =========== the j page edition mutated this, explicitly, into what in the hands of led zep would be called "how many more times". as heard on 'last rave-up in LA", page alternates the two riffs, and much of the zep xtended arrangement is here too. "<>" From flossbac at NLCI.COM Thu Dec 16 00:13:12 1999 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 00:13:12 -0500 Subject: Greatest Riff of the Millenium Message-ID: > here's a fun game: > ask any guitarist you know to play you the riff from 'smells like teen > spirit', then ask him to play you the riff from 'godzilla'. watch the fun > begin! > picking on a dead guy, > rmayo I'm not sure I follow what you're saying..... are you suggesting that these two riffs are similar or what? Really I think they're pretty dissimilar--there are only 12 notes after all to choose from, so it's not surprsing that the same chord progression or similar chord progressions get used in dozens of songs (D C G anyone?). After playing the two on my guitar, I think I see what you mean, but I don't think there's any reason to believe that Kurt Cobain was even thinking of Godzilla when he wrote Smells Like Teen Spirit. Rather, he was admittedly attempting to rip off the Pixies. John Majka flossbac at nlci.com From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Dec 16 04:01:41 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:01:41 -0000 Subject: Greatest Riff of the Millenium Message-ID: Sorry - don't see it. It *is* More Than A Feeling though. :-) Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert C. Mayo To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 1:52 AM Subject: Re: Greatest Riff of the Millenium > here's a fun game: > ask any guitarist you know to play you the riff from 'smells like teen > spirit', then ask him to play you the riff from 'godzilla'. watch the fun > begin! > picking on a dead guy, > rmayo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Dec 16 08:55:09 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:55:09 EST Subject: Greatest Riff of the Millenium Message-ID: In a message dated 12/16/99 5:26:42 AM, rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM writes: << Sorry - don't see it. It *is* More Than A Feeling though. :-) >> ================= which brings is back to "louie louie". hey, life is a wheel, man lolol "<>" **************************************************** Think you've got style? You ain't seen nothing yet! Visit JENNY STYLE a fansite devoted to Takara Jenny, Japan's answer to Barbie! URL: http://www.pitt.edu/~mross/jenny From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Thu Dec 16 09:17:29 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans (aka Gekke Henkie)) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:17:29 +0100 Subject: Greatest Riff of the Millenium In-Reply-To: <0.b80b6653.258a493d@aol.com> Message-ID: Op 16 Dec 99, om 8:55, DASLUD at AOL.COM schreef: > hey, life is a wheel, man rolin', rolin', rolin' --BArt From james.hogard at JUNO.COM Thu Dec 16 09:44:14 1999 From: james.hogard at JUNO.COM (James A Hogard) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:44:14 -0600 Subject: Greatest Riff of the Millenium [sic] Message-ID: > Greatest Riff of the Millenium Surely we could wait until the millennium is over? One whole year to go. And surely, somewhere, some journalist could get it right? pedantically grumbling, Hogard From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Dec 16 09:53:13 1999 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:53:13 -0000 Subject: Greatest Riff of the Millenium [sic] Message-ID: When people say things like this, what they really mean is "I value pedantry over personal safety". :-) Cheers, Rich. ----- Original Message ----- From: James A Hogard To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 2:44 PM Subject: Re: Greatest Riff of the Millenium [sic] > > Greatest Riff of the Millenium > > Surely we could wait until the millennium is over? > One whole year to go. And surely, somewhere, some > journalist could get it right? > > pedantically grumbling, > Hogard __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com From vincentr at COGNOS.COM Thu Dec 16 09:57:07 1999 From: vincentr at COGNOS.COM (Rob Vincent) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:57:07 -0500 Subject: Greatest Riff of the Millenium In-Reply-To: <0.e6a00507.25899ffa@aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Robert C. Mayo wrote: > here's a fun game: > ask any guitarist you know to play you the riff from 'smells like teen > spirit', then ask him to play you the riff from 'godzilla'. watch the fun > begin! > picking on a dead guy, As I've mentioned before, I have a bootleg of Smashing Pumpkins doing Godzilla, and in that performance the similarity with Teen Spirit is especially pronounced. Of course, from my understanding Nirvana had long admitted that Teen Spirit was nicked from More Than A Feeling, even to the point of singing the lyrics to More Than A Feeling in concert over the song. Rainmaker Elijah Snow : It's a strange world Jakita Wagner : Let's keep it that way Planetary #1 From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Thu Dec 16 09:35:43 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:35:43 +0000 Subject: Greatest Riff of the Millenium In-Reply-To: <0.8e70bb55.2589cac2@aol.com> Message-ID: At 23:55 15.12.1999 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 12/15/99 9:16:56 PM, RMayo19761 at AOL.COM writes: > ><< paranoid (next time you hear this, think 'ramones'...) >> > >========= >nahhhhhhh.... >think "communication breakdown" >the grand-daddiest grand-dad of 'em all >hee hee But "it's always the same" ChrisW (cackling manically) "a cynic is a man who when he smells flowers looks around for a coffin" - Bierce From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Thu Dec 16 10:07:11 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:07:11 -0500 Subject: BOC: Greatest Riff Message-ID: > From: Richard Lockwood > > Just noticed that Don't Fear The Reaper was voted 16th in The Guitar > Magazine. While this stuff is all subjective, I think this little factoid belongs in the next version of the BOC FAQ - Rich, is it o.k. to add you name to the list of FAQ contributors? > Anyway, everybody knows that the greatest riff of the millennium is a > toss-up between Harverster of Eyes and After Forever. > Hmm...well, I think maybe the best riff ever was written by one A. > Bouchard: COFWRAR... > godzilla > > Seige and Investiture of Baron von Frank's castle-- the Imginos band > under > the name of BOC > St Vitus Dance -- Brain Surgeons Hmm...I sense a poll coming - what do you think are the greatest BOC riffs? We can include the various off-shoots as well (tBS, X-Bros, Red&Black, SWU, SFG). Without too much thought, here's a quick list: Cities on Flame Godzilla I Am the One You Warned Me Of (Imaginos Band - good title for this group - a bit more appropriate than "BOC") Lips in the Hills Tattoo Vampire My Civilization (tBS) Gun (Joe Bouchard final demo) Gun (tBS) Dominance and Submission DFtR Monsters Dr. Music Hot Time in Hell (X-Bros) ....Frankenstein... (Imaginos Band) Most Romantic Place in the World (tBS) Transmaniacon MC Hot Rails to Hell 7 Screaming Diz-Busters Damaged See You in Black Buck's Boogie RU Ready 2 Rock Heavy Metal: The Black & Silver (666) Devil Got Your Mother (tBS) Hmm... over 20 songs... maybe this poll ain't such a good idea... John From farmer at ALLENCC.NET Thu Dec 16 04:32:18 1999 From: farmer at ALLENCC.NET (Don Farmer) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:32:18 +0000 Subject: BOC: Greatest Riff In-Reply-To: <38590013.8662603D@mitre.org> Message-ID: > Hmm...I sense a poll coming - what do you think are the greatest >BOC riffs? We can include the various off-shoots as well (tBS, >X-Bros, Red&Black, SWU, SFG). Hey, I'm game. This is the kind of stuff I've been waiting for. Here goes my picks: ( not in any order ) -The Vigil -E.T.I. ( from Some Enchanted Evening ) -Heavy Metal: The Black and Silver -Divine Wind -Don't Fear the Reaper -I Ain't Got You ( from On Your Feet or On Your Knees ) -Buck's Boogie Do live ones count? Coming out of lurkdom, Don Farmer. Don Farmer Head Track/Cross Country Coach 1801 N. Cottonwood Director Fitness Center Iola, KS 66749 FAX: 316-365-7406 Home: (316) 365-5943 Work: (316) 365-5116 ext. 215 Email: farmer at acccn1.allen.cc.ks.us From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Dec 16 10:32:41 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:32:41 EST Subject: Greatest Riff of the Millenium [sic] Message-ID: In a message dated 12/16/99 9:53:09 AM, rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM writes: << When people say things like this, what they really mean is "I value pedantry over personal safety". :-) Cheers, Rich. > > Greatest Riff of the Millenium > > Surely we could wait until the millennium is over? > One whole year to go. And surely, somewhere, some > journalist could get it right? > > pedantically grumbling, > Hogard >> ================ being xactly ko-rect aint gonna help this time, either "<>" From Modulus6bass at AOL.COM Thu Dec 16 10:39:15 1999 From: Modulus6bass at AOL.COM (Mark Stears) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:39:15 EST Subject: BOC: Greatest Riff Message-ID: In a message dated 12/16/99 10:07:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, jswartz at MITRE.ORG writes: << HMMM, I sense a poll coming...... >> I can spell the greatest BOC riff in Three letters...ETI mark From Modulus6bass at AOL.COM Thu Dec 16 10:41:51 1999 From: Modulus6bass at AOL.COM (Mark Stears) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:41:51 EST Subject: BOC: Greatest Riff Message-ID: Well, If I must pick more than one, add golden age of leather to my list. mark From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Dec 16 07:53:34 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:53:34 +0000 Subject: OFF : Sad news re : Derek Guyler Message-ID: The washboard king goes to join Hendrix and Moon in God's band. Aged 85 dies in his sleep in Australia. No illness, just old age we're told. "ah well..." in best "Please Sir/Janitor voice" -- Jon From jbono at RCN.COM Thu Dec 16 15:33:09 1999 From: jbono at RCN.COM (John) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:33:09 -0500 Subject: BOC: Greatest Riff Message-ID: Harley John says: 1) CoF 2) ETI 3) Before the kiss 4) Godzilla 5) Transmaniacon 6) Stairway 7) Career of evil 8) The Pact 9) Diz- busters 10) Buck's Boogie only my opinion... ----- Original Message ----- From: John A. Swartz To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 10:07 AM Subject: Re: BOC: Greatest Riff > > From: Richard Lockwood > > > > Just noticed that Don't Fear The Reaper was voted 16th in The Guitar > > Magazine. > > While this stuff is all subjective, I think this little factoid belongs > in the next version of the BOC FAQ - Rich, is it o.k. to add you name to > the list of FAQ contributors? > > > Anyway, everybody knows that the greatest riff of the millennium is a > > toss-up between Harverster of Eyes and After Forever. > > > Hmm...well, I think maybe the best riff ever was written by one A. > > Bouchard: COFWRAR... > > > godzilla > > > > Seige and Investiture of Baron von Frank's castle-- the Imginos band > > under > > the name of BOC > > St Vitus Dance -- Brain Surgeons > > > Hmm...I sense a poll coming - what do you think are the greatest BOC > riffs? We can include the various off-shoots as well (tBS, X-Bros, > Red&Black, SWU, SFG). Without too much thought, here's a quick list: > > Cities on Flame > Godzilla > I Am the One You Warned Me Of (Imaginos Band - good title for this group > - a bit more appropriate than "BOC") > Lips in the Hills > Tattoo Vampire > My Civilization (tBS) > Gun (Joe Bouchard final demo) > Gun (tBS) > Dominance and Submission > DFtR > Monsters > Dr. Music > Hot Time in Hell (X-Bros) > ....Frankenstein... (Imaginos Band) > Most Romantic Place in the World (tBS) > Transmaniacon MC > Hot Rails to Hell > 7 Screaming Diz-Busters > Damaged > See You in Black > Buck's Boogie > RU Ready 2 Rock > Heavy Metal: The Black & Silver > (666) Devil Got Your Mother (tBS) > > > Hmm... over 20 songs... maybe this poll ain't such a good idea... > > John From chip at PCC.COM Thu Dec 16 15:50:24 1999 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:50:24 -0500 Subject: OFF: Greatest Riffs In-Reply-To: <000f01bf4804$c68d95e0$07697ad1@crm.cable.rcn.com> from "John" at Dec 16, 99 03:33:09 pm Message-ID: I don't know if the color of the sky in my world is different from everyone else's, but there seems to be a real difference in "riff ranking" from where I sit. First, I don't know how anyone can have a discussion about the "best riffs of all time" and not at least universally recognize the first 5 or 6 Black Sabbath albums. Hello? War Pigs? Iron Man? Electric Funeral? Sabbath Bloody Sabbath? Symptom of the Universe? N.I.B.? Black Sabbath? There are dozens more. Which ones do we leave out? Second, I'm sure I've missed it, but I haven't seen: Kinks - You Really Got Me (written, rumor has it, by Page). C'mon! That two-"note" bit is at the root of a zillion other riffs (including, but not limited to, Cocaine/Sunshine of Your Love). Maybe I missed it. Third, not a single mention of Angus Young? Ever been to a rock concert and seen what happens when they play Back in Black over the PA before the show? People go crazy! Shake A Leg, Beatin' Around the Bush, Whole Lotta' Rosie, Have a Drink On Me - Jesus, those are fundamental rock riffs! Other memorable riffs: Rock Bottom - UFO Am I Evil? - Diamond Head Master of Puppets - Metallica Johnny B. Goode - Chuck Berry Mistreated - Purple/Rainbow Voodoo Child - Hendrix Walk This Way - Aerosmith ...there are also dozens of killer riffs by the myriad of speed/thrash/death metal bands, some of which knock the socks off of most "classic" riffs - bands like Exodus, Nuclear Assault, Vio-Lence, etc., took riffing to the highest level of art-form. -- Chip Hart * chip @ pcc.com Physician's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 1 Main Street * Work:800-722-7708 Winooski, VT 05404 * Fax: 802-846-8178 From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Dec 16 17:09:10 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:09:10 EST Subject: OFF: Greatest Riffs Message-ID: In a message dated 12/16/99 3:50:42 PM, chip at PCC.COM writes: << but I haven't seen: Kinks - You Really Got Me (written, rumor has it, by Page). C'mon! That two-"note" bit is at the root of a zillion other riffs (including, but not limited to, Cocaine/Sunshine of Your Love). Maybe I missed it. >> =============== "you really got me", twas said, came via some jazz ostinato. page is alleged to have played on the recording, but he didnt write it. "<>" From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Thu Dec 16 17:51:22 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:51:22 -0500 Subject: BOC: Greatest Riff In-Reply-To: <38590013.8662603D@mitre.org> Message-ID: (whoopee! a BOC riff poll!) Im on the Lamb but I aint no sheep Mistress of the Salmon Salt (Quicklime Girl) Gil Blanco County What is Quicksand? In Thee I second I am the one You Warned me Of (both the pull the plug intro riff and the riff on IMaginos LP) DOMINANCE & submission Rock and Roll is Dead Gimme Nothing Bad Hair Day and last but not least, Overture. Its rifferific! Mad like eldridge Cleaver, Jason From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 16 17:36:18 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:36:18 GMT Subject: Help on Codex? Message-ID: Just bringing the Codex up to date and looking for opinios/help: A) Is Satellite on Church of Hawkwind the same/remix of that on Complete '79? B) Is Warrior At the End of Time the same on Out & Intake as Live 1982 - possibly the latter with The Scan appended? C) Is Solitary Mind Games on Out & Intake just a cut of that on Live 1982? I also seem to have heard Shot Down from Live 1982 before but I can't quite identify where. FoFP From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Dec 16 21:03:24 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 18:03:24 -0800 Subject: NIK: ICU: web page Message-ID: Hi all, I just noticed that Steve Pond has finally done his long-promised update of the Inner City Unit web page. Actually, it doesn't look like much of the content is different EXCEPT: Everything ICU ever released (and then some) is available for MP3 download (except for the new Judge Trev's ICU stuff). So anyone who's still looking for a vinyl copy of 'Maximum Effect' can point your web browser to: http://www.doremi.co.uk/icu/ -Doug ceres at sirius.com From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK Fri Dec 17 06:37:43 1999 From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (David Bottomley) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:37:43 -0000 Subject: Help on Codex? Message-ID: >Just bringing the Codex up to date and looking for opinios/help: > >A) Is Satellite on Church of Hawkwind the same/remix of that on Complete '79? They sound exactly the same to me (as does the version on Weird 101). My memory of the '79 gig I saw isn't clear enough to recall whether they all nipped off for a fag break here & just let the sequencer/tape run.... >B) Is Warrior At the End of Time the same on Out & Intake as Live 1982 - >possibly the latter with The Scan appended? Well, I'm pretty sure it's the same version but they're different mixes. Huw can be heard quite clearly on the Live 82 version, but not on O&I. Both have The Scan appended. >C) Is Solitary Mind Games on Out & Intake just a cut of that on Live >1982? I could be wrong, but they sound like quite different versions to me. A lot of the synth/sequencer parts sound very different. >I also seem to have heard Shot Down from Live 1982 before but I can't >quite identify where. I don't remember ever hearing this version before. Dave >FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 17 09:38:48 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:38:48 GMT Subject: Help on Codex? In-Reply-To: David Bottomley's message of Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:37:43 -0000 Message-ID: David Bottomley writes: > >Just bringing the Codex up to date and looking for opinios/help: > > > >A) Is Satellite on Church of Hawkwind the same/remix of that on Complete > '79? > They sound exactly the same to me (as does the version on Weird 101). My > memory of the '79 gig I saw isn't clear enough to recall whether they all > nipped off for a fag break here & just let the sequencer/tape run.... Yeah, that's certainly possible. > >B) Is Warrior At the End of Time the same on Out & Intake as Live 1982 - > >possibly the latter with The Scan appended? > > Well, I'm pretty sure it's the same version but they're different mixes. Huw > can be heard quite clearly on the Live 82 version, but not on O&I. Both have > The Scan appended. Nah, I'm sure my Out&Intake CD fades the track as soon as The Scan starts up. Is the vinyl different? > >C) Is Solitary Mind Games on Out & Intake just a cut of that on Live > >1982? > I could be wrong, but they sound like quite different versions to me. A lot > of the synth/sequencer parts sound very different. > > >I also seem to have heard Shot Down from Live 1982 before but I can't > >quite identify where. > > I don't remember ever hearing this version before. I was wondering if it's similar to that on This Is Hawkwind - Do Not Panic, but it's possible that it's a match to one of the versions on the Edinburgh Playhouse video. FoFP From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Dec 17 09:52:17 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:52:17 +0000 Subject: Greatest Riff of the Millenium In-Reply-To: <002901bf4784$40e0e940$c36040ce@pavilion> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Dec 1999, flossbac wrote: > > here's a fun game: > > ask any guitarist you know to play you the riff from 'smells like teen > > spirit', then ask him to play you the riff from 'godzilla'. watch the fun > > begin! > > picking on a dead guy, > > rmayo > > I'm not sure I follow what you're saying..... are you suggesting that these > two riffs are similar or what? Really I think they're pretty > dissimilar--there are only 12 notes after all to choose from, so it's not > surprsing that the same chord progression or similar chord progressions get > used in dozens of songs (D C G anyone?). After playing the two on my > guitar, I think I see what you mean, but I don't think there's any reason to > believe that Kurt Cobain was even thinking of Godzilla when he wrote Smells > Like Teen Spirit. Rather, he was admittedly attempting to rip off the > Pixies. But it was Boston that sued... Any more contendors for unrecognised `Smells Like Nirvana' contributors? Yours, Jon (who, in those days, entirely failed to spot the link between his then-favourite song, `More Than a Feeling' [I got better, OK?] and this new one that people kept playing) From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Dec 17 09:56:27 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:56:27 EST Subject: Greatest Riff of the Millenium Message-ID: In a message dated 12/17/99 9:52:35 AM, jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK writes: << But it was Boston that sued... Any more contendors for unrecognised `Smells Like Nirvana' contributors? ========= Boston SUED?!? (insert gagging noises) "<>" From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Dec 17 10:32:19 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:32:19 +0000 Subject: Greatest Riff of the Millenium In-Reply-To: <0.b4c79434.258ba91b@aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 12/17/99 9:52:35 AM, jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK > writes: > > << But it was Boston that sued... Any more contendors for > unrecognised `Smells Like Nirvana' contributors? > ========= > Boston SUED?!? > > (insert gagging noises) Yep. Nirvana settled out of court. I think they could afford to at that point. Yours, Jon From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 17 11:00:38 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 16:00:38 GMT Subject: Those Awfully Nice Chaps at Voiceprint Message-ID: P.S: When releasing Collectors Items, wouldn't it make a tiny bit of sense to include, on the sleeve, information about *which* gig the tracks were taken from? - Another Helpful Hint from the Friends of Fernando Poo... From flossbac at NLCI.COM Fri Dec 17 11:11:55 1999 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:11:55 -0500 Subject: Greatest Riff of the Millenium Message-ID: > > << But it was Boston that sued... Any more contendors for > unrecognised `Smells Like Nirvana' contributors? > ========= > Boston SUED?!? Well, thankfully for everyone, Boston lost the case since it isn't even the same chord progression. The rhythm is similar (but not the same), but that means nothing whatsoever. Thereby proving I guess that Boston are bloated rock stars out to scrabble for every advantage they can. John Majka From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 17 10:23:54 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:23:54 EDT Subject: Greatest Riff of the Millenium In-Reply-To: <001101bf48a9$70c69a80$e76040ce@pavilion> Message-ID: On 17 Dec 99 at 11:11, flossbac wrote: > > Well, thankfully for everyone, Boston lost the case since it isn't even the > same chord progression. The rhythm is similar (but not the same), but that > means nothing whatsoever. Thereby proving I guess that Boston are bloated > rock stars out to scrabble for every advantage they can. Just listen to their albums, and you can tell that much! But seriously, take a band that never tours and puts out an album once every 5 years, excuse me, put out the same album once every five years--hell, they have to make money somehow, so why not sue Nirvana? theo From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Dec 17 11:46:30 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:46:30 EST Subject: Greatest Riff of the Millenium Message-ID: In a message dated 12/17/99 11:13:29 AM, flossbac at NLCI.COM writes: << Thereby proving I guess that Boston are bloated rock stars out to scrabble for every advantage they can. John Majka >> ========= nuff said. "<>" From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Dec 17 11:53:23 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:53:23 -0500 Subject: OFF: Smells Like White Room (was Re: Greatest Riff of the Millenium) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Dec 1999, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: => > believe that Kurt Cobain was even thinking of Godzilla when he wrote Smells => > Like Teen Spirit. Rather, he was admittedly attempting to rip off the => > Pixies. => => But it was Boston that sued... Any more contendors for => unrecognised `Smells Like Nirvana' contributors? Yours, Actually, years ago, as I was leaving a gig by a local band, they began jamming around as the kit was about to be put away. Anyway, they start in on playing something, and I says to my friend (sez I), "Oh, that's not a bad go at ``White Room'' by Cream" until I subsequently realised they were actually playing "Smells Like Teen Spirit" by Nirvana! Cheers, Paul. NP: The Savage Resurrection, _The Savage Resurrection_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From sprawl at STARPOWER.NET Fri Dec 17 14:22:27 1999 From: sprawl at STARPOWER.NET (Sprawl) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:22:27 -0500 Subject: NIK: ICU: web page Message-ID: Anyone know the rules for circulation? Can we trade them, post to newsgroups etc? (Hope no one is foolish enough to post the website to a newsgroup, tho'. They'd kill it.) RJ -----Original Message----- From: Doug Pearson To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Thursday, December 16, 1999 9:15 PM Subject: NIK: ICU: web page >Hi all, > >I just noticed that Steve Pond has finally done his long-promised update of >the Inner City Unit web page. > >Actually, it doesn't look like much of the content is different EXCEPT: > >Everything ICU ever released (and then some) is available for MP3 download >(except for the new Judge Trev's ICU stuff). > >So anyone who's still looking for a vinyl copy of 'Maximum Effect' can >point your web browser to: > >http://www.doremi.co.uk/icu/ > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Dec 17 14:39:56 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:39:56 +0000 Subject: HW : London Meet and Greet - GOOD FUN HERE! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The new Comics International mag has an advert for the... T.U.C. Comics and Related Mega-Mart Admission Free SUNDAY 30th JANUARY features special CHRIS ACHILLEOS and ... HAWKWIND! "signing their works and chatting to the fans all afternoon"! opens at 12 Noon T.U.C. Centre 23-28 Great Russell Street nearest Tube Tottenham Court Road TUC is organised by Trevor Philips. Good man, Trev So, I wonder who is representing? Hey Kris, are you and Dave making the trip up, then? -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Dec 17 14:41:48 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:41:48 +0000 Subject: OFF: Smells Like Savage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Paul Mather writes >Cheers, > >Paul. > >NP: The Savage Resurrection, _The Savage Resurrection_ *Koff* fine LP sings..."My world's better than your world......" -- Jon From bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET Fri Dec 17 14:52:50 1999 From: bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET (Brian Halligan) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:52:50 -0500 Subject: The pinnacle of rock (was Re: Greatest Riff of the Millenium) In-Reply-To: <6414070AB8@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: Theo wrote: >Just listen to their albums, and you can tell that much! But >seriously, take a band that never tours and puts out an album once >every 5 years, excuse me, put out the same album once every >five years--hell, they have to make money somehow, so why not sue >Nirvana? Sounds like the perfect rock star life to me! Live the livestyle without having to be creative and churn out product on schedule. ;-) AC/DC is finally getting the hang of this too...for awhile they understood the part about putting out the same album, but they're just now catching on to what makes Boston so brilliant- their spacing between albums. And when's the last time AC/DC toured? '95? I figure they can find plenty of bands to sue. If I were AC/DC I'd get some lawyers to find out which riffs they can sue a band for using without being sued in turn by the estate of some dead blues hero. "Money for nothin' and your chicks for free." The rock 'n' roll dream. Brian P.S. I like AC/DC a lot, even if all their albums are the same. And Boston indirectly led me to purchase my first BOC tape (AOF/Spectres 2-fer), so they can't be all bad. In fact, you could say Boston and AC/DC had a lot to do with my eventual love of BOC and HW. Go figure. From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Dec 17 14:53:45 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:53:45 -0800 Subject: OFF: Smells Like Savage Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:41:48 +0000, Jon wrote: >In message >Paul Mather writes >>NP: The Savage Resurrection, _The Savage Resurrection_ > >*Koff* fine LP Hellsuyeah! Best HEAVY psych band out of the Bay Area 60s scene, barring (of course) Blue Cheer... >sings..."My world's better than your world......" > > ... lyrics just as stoopid as Blue Cheer's, though! -Doug ceres at sirius.com From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Fri Dec 17 15:22:30 1999 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 20:22:30 -0000 Subject: HW : London Meet and Greet - GOOD FUN HERE! Message-ID: Cool! Remind us nearer the time please... --- Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ "It is the business of the future to be dangerous; and it is among the merits of science that it equips the future for its duties." ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 7:39 PM Subject: HW : London Meet and Greet - GOOD FUN HERE! > The new Comics International mag has an advert for the... > > T.U.C. Comics and Related Mega-Mart > Admission Free > SUNDAY 30th JANUARY > > features special CHRIS ACHILLEOS and ... > > HAWKWIND! > > "signing their works and chatting to the fans all afternoon"! > > opens at 12 Noon > > T.U.C. Centre 23-28 Great Russell Street nearest Tube Tottenham Court > Road > > TUC is organised by Trevor Philips. > > Good man, Trev > > So, I wonder who is representing? > > Hey Kris, are you and Dave making the trip up, then? > > -- > Jon From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Dec 17 15:52:35 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 20:52:35 -0000 Subject: Help on Codex? Message-ID: Satellite was a tape link. I think Brian Tawn covered this in Hawkfan 4 (5?). Dave -----Original Message----- From: M Holmes To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 16 December 1999 22:39 Subject: Help on Codex? >Just bringing the Codex up to date and looking for opinios/help: > >A) Is Satellite on Church of Hawkwind the same/remix of that on Complete '79? > >B) Is Warrior At the End of Time the same on Out & Intake as Live 1982 - >possibly the latter with The Scan appended? > >C) Is Solitary Mind Games on Out & Intake just a cut of that on Live >1982? > >I also seem to have heard Shot Down from Live 1982 before but I can't >quite identify where. > >FoFP > From sprawl at STARPOWER.NET Fri Dec 17 18:32:59 1999 From: sprawl at STARPOWER.NET (Sprawl) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:32:59 -0500 Subject: NIK: ICU: web page Message-ID: This is great! Just downloaded all of Maximum Effect. This is currently my favorite album! Anyone know where I can get it on CD? RJ -----Original Message----- From: Doug Pearson >Hi all, > >I just noticed that Steve Pond has finally done his long-promised update of >the Inner City Unit web page. > >Actually, it doesn't look like much of the content is different EXCEPT: > >Everything ICU ever released (and then some) is available for MP3 download >(except for the new Judge Trev's ICU stuff). > >So anyone who's still looking for a vinyl copy of 'Maximum Effect' can >point your web browser to: > >http://www.doremi.co.uk/icu/ > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Dec 17 18:55:41 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:55:41 -0800 Subject: NIK: ICU: web page Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:32:59 -0500, Sprawl wrote: >This is great! Yep! AFAIK the tracks are "shareware" and can be freely exchanged/distributed EXCEPT for profit (although you might want to Email mr. Pond to verify this if you're planning on making 'ICU's Greatest Hits' CD-R's for your 100 closest friends). >Just downloaded all of Maximum Effect. >This is currently my favorite album! >Anyone know where I can get it on CD? Yes. You'll have to burn one yourself :^). The only ICU albums to come out on CD are/were 'Passout' (with great bonus tracks, but Overground Records, who released it and a bunch of other great postpunk/indiepop reissues, recently ceased operation) and 'NewAnatomy' (which is not even worth owning IMO - it's the only ICU/Pompadours LP/12" I don't have on vinyl - or CD, for that matter, although if one turned up in either format for $5 or less I probably wouldn't pass it up). -Doug ceres at sirius.com >RJ > >-----Original Message----- >From: Doug Pearson ...snip... >>http://www.doremi.co.uk/icu/ From mordru at FLITE.NET Fri Dec 17 20:59:56 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 20:59:56 -0500 Subject: NIK: ICU: web page In-Reply-To: <001601bf48e7$0ebd5e80$1f84a4d8@sprawl> Message-ID: At 06:32 PM 12/17/1999 -0500, you wrote: >This is great! Just downloaded all of Maximum Effect. >This is currently my favorite album! >Anyone know where I can get it on CD? Well, you could get the CD-R with the mp3s from Steve.... Actually, one of the recent trade shows someone had a CD-R MP3 player. You trade off size (larger) and no moving parts (it has them, thus less battery life) but gain the ability to have all the ICU tracks on one CD as you travel about... ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From joe.e at TELIA.COM Sat Dec 18 04:39:08 1999 From: joe.e at TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 10:39:08 +0100 Subject: Help on Codex? Message-ID: >I also seem to have heard Shot Down from Live 1982 before but I can't >quite identify where. not heard live 1982 yet, but Psychedelia Lives on F&R III is an inner jam of Shot Down in the Night, but is according to sleeve information taken from Glastonbury 1981. but, on the other hand, gimme a reason to why just the sleeve information on F&R III should be correct? >FoFP sold your spare metal shield yet? I don't have it. .joe From sprawl at STARPOWER.NET Sat Dec 18 05:07:48 1999 From: sprawl at STARPOWER.NET (Sprawl) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 05:07:48 -0500 Subject: NIK: ICU: web page Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Doug Pearson To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Friday, December 17, 1999 7:03 PM Subject: Re: NIK: ICU: web page >Yep! AFAIK the tracks are "shareware" and can be freely >exchanged/distributed EXCEPT for profit (although you might want to Email >mr. Pond to verify this if you're planning on making 'ICU's Greatest Hits' >CD-R's for your 100 closest friends). Not at all, I just thought it would be good to share them without posting the URL. Post that URL on one of the MP3 newsgroups, and they will drag the site down with volume. >Yes. You'll have to burn one yourself :^). The only ICU albums to come >out on CD are/were 'Passout' (with great bonus tracks, but Overground >Records, who released it and a bunch of other great postpunk/indiepop That is a crying shame. This album is a CLASSIC. I got such a rush listening to it! Guess I'll have to convert to wav and burn. Thanks, Doug! Ron From merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK Sat Dec 18 05:57:44 1999 From: merlinas at DIRCON.CO.UK (David Bottomley) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 10:57:44 -0000 Subject: Help on Codex? Message-ID: >> By the way, do the Complete 79 and Live 79 versions of Shot Down etc. >> sound the same to you? > >No, they're very different. Sorry Mike, but I've just played the two side-by-side and, aside from the obvious sound quality & mix differences (which *are* substantial), I'm still convinced that these are from the same gig. I find it hard to believe that Huw's lead lines, Tim's keyboard fills and the vocals would be identical on two different versions. The band weren't *that* tight were they? None of the other tracks common to both CDs are remotely similar on these terms. Dave B From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Dec 18 10:37:30 1999 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 23:37:30 +0800 Subject: OFF : Sad news re : Derek Guyler In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I agree. Sad news. I was (and still am) a big fan of Please Sir. I wish one of the satellite channels would screen it again! Didn't know he lived in Australia? Whereabouts? William > > The washboard king goes to join Hendrix and Moon in God's band. > > Aged 85 dies in his sleep in Australia. No illness, just old age we're > told. > > "ah well..." in best "Please Sir/Janitor voice" > > -- > Jon > From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Sat Dec 18 12:02:05 1999 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 12:02:05 EST Subject: BOC: Greatest Riff Message-ID: The Red & the Black From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Sun Dec 19 15:59:59 1999 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 20:59:59 -0000 Subject: HW:Bath gig last night Message-ID: Finding myself unexpectedly at a loose end last night, I through caution to the wind and set off for the gig in Bath which Richard had posted on the Mission Control guest book this week (billed as 'Whirlwind', I think the woman at the pub I spoke to on the phone said). I probably should've checked the weather/traffic news before leaving as snow had made parts of Bath and the surrounding area almost unpassable. I eventually arrived and was almost surprised to find the gig still going ahead. The line-up was Richard, Jerry and Ron with A.N. Other on guitar (he looked familiar, but I forgot to ask Jerry who he was) and Bridget doing some vocals over the first (jammed) couple of pieces followed by a recital of Black Elk Speaks while Richard nipped off and returned with a drink. The set, a;bit over an hour long, was a loose one and included: jammed piece with Bridget/Born To Go/new piece maybe called Mushroom Head, which was in the vein of Reptoid Vision/The Right Stuff/Hippie/Spirit of the Age. Ron played some fine bass, especially during Born To Go (which also featured an additional guest on harmonica for an extended middle section) but did seem to be suffering from throat trouble. Spirit of the Age was much rockier than on the recent tour (after a troubled start!) and was the highlight of the show. Rather a long journey for a small gig but certainly better than Saturday night telly and always nice to see the band jamming around in this way. Nick From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sun Dec 19 17:54:24 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 17:54:24 -0500 Subject: NIK: ICU: web page In-Reply-To: <001d01bf493f$c3d8dd00$1f82a4d8@sprawl> Message-ID: On Sat, 18 Dec 1999, Sprawl wrote: => >Yes. You'll have to burn one yourself :^). The only ICU albums to come => >out on CD are/were 'Passout' (with great bonus tracks, but Overground => >Records, who released it and a bunch of other great postpunk/indiepop => => That is a crying shame. This album is a CLASSIC. I got such a rush => listening to => it! I'll just have to chime in here and say I've had a long-standing tradition on BOC-L that whenever the words "ICU" and "CD" are mentioned I always blurt out the perennial, "when are we going to get _Maximum Effect_ on CD???" ;-) => Guess I'll have to convert to wav and burn. Same for me, too. I only had a dub of this on cassette, and absolutely loved the album (their best, IMHO!). But a CD(-R) would be more convenient for me. => Thanks, Doug! Yes, thanks Doug (and thanks Steve Pond)! I've downloaded _Maximum Effect_, _Punkadelic_ and _Ersatz_ so far, and I already own legit CD releases of _Passout_ and _New Anatomy_. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." --- Frank Vincent Zappa From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Dec 19 18:17:40 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 23:17:40 +0000 Subject: HW: Recent v Old/Poll In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991215121452.00931610@pop.sirius.com>; from Doug Pearson on Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 12:14:52PM -0800 Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 12:14:52PM -0800, Doug Pearson wrote: > On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:54:11 +0000, Jonathan Jarrett > wrote: > > > And Doug, you're entitled to your view of course, but Steve > >Swindells? The man responsible for the *inspired* keyboard parts on > >`Valium 10' and `British Tribal Music'? This must surely be some new use > >of the word "talent" of which I was not previously aware... > > I don't think it's really fair to assess someone's talent based on what > were outtakes (there's a reason why that stuff wasn't released at the > time!). I was thinking more of Swindell's performance on 'Hawklords/25 > Years On' (very nicely arranged/orchestrated which made him an acceptable > replacement for Simon House even if he's no Simon) and the Hawklords live > album (great energy and jamming!). And I think the keyboard playing on > "Valium Ten" is as good as anything Harvey played with the band (and even > the keyboard playing on "British Tribal Music" is still better than > anything Keith Hale did with the band, but that's not saying much). But > it's tough to judge someone who was in the band for only one studio album ... Yes - and then, on the other hand, I had assumed that the keyboard parts on _25 Years On_ were written by Brock and Calvert, in the same way as I had assumed the reason Martin Griffin is so good on that album is because he was being told what to play. But I agree that Steve shows up better on _Hawklords Live_. Also, see below (two paras.). > I recently heard a recording of the Maximum Effect's (Steve Pond, Fred & > Mick Stupp post-ICU, pre-Krankschaft/Calvert) last show that is incredible. > The band's playing at breakneck speed, so Fred winds up sounding like > Jerry Lee Lewis playing Simon House's keyboard parts while jacked up on > speed. He's playing lead keyboard (Steve plays mostly rhythm guitar parts) > AND singing most of the lead vocals. I wish I could do all that at once. Blimey. Is _this_ on record, or is this a bootleg? First I've knowingly heard of this band... > >I'll rank Tim Blake close behind > >Simon and Harvey not long after till someone convinces me otherwise. > > Tim's a great *synth* player (possibly even better than Del Dettmar, > although that's a tough call), but not an exceptional keyboardist IMO. But > purely as *keyboard* players, I'd put Steve, Harvey, Fred & Tim all at the > same "order of magnitude" below Simon ... Ah, I see! I was more sort of lumping the two concepts together. To my mind an HW keyboardist has to swoosh more than play the old joanna, which is why I rate Harvey so highly, and also Tim; they really add something to the sound but it is, admittedly, synths. In terms of actual keyboard ability I haven't ever really bothered to assess Steve, but he still seems to me to have something of an affectation for what Zappa called "redundant piano triplets"... But if you're rating 'em that way then you have much more of the right of it than I, certainly. Yours, Jon -- /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | =====================================================================| |"Find the microwave and you shall find the bison!" Clare Boothby(1997)| \______________________________________________________________________/ From jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Dec 19 18:42:15 1999 From: jill at THETA-ORIONIS.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Jill) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 23:42:15 +0000 Subject: HW:Bath gig last night Message-ID: Nick Lee wrote: > Rather a long journey for a small gig but certainly better than Saturday > night telly and always nice to see the band jamming around in this way. > > Nick hmmm - that sounded interesting - I'm sorry to have missed it especially since it would have been on my way as I headed south for the Festive season but it was just a few days too early! I'd be glad to hear if you hear of any other upcoming gigs by them and I guess I'd better keep checking the Misson Control feedback section now. ta jill -- ====================================================================== Jill Strobridge or J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk ====================================================================== From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Dec 19 21:57:52 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 21:57:52 EST Subject: HW/OFF: WIDOWMAKER 77 promo kit Message-ID: FOR SALE: i picked this item up at the whisky-a-go-go in august '77. it promotes that night's appearance, and 2nd lp by the group WIDOWMAKER, including HUW LANGTON (sp?), BEV BEVAN, and ariel bender (a/k/a luther something), formerly of spooky tooth, mott the hoople,etc. the promo kit includes a photo, a bio (referring to huw as 'formerly of the scottish group hawkwind'), the 45 'too late to cry' (2nd lp title track) and a now-aged black balloon, which needs to be gently unstuck from a page. my friend izzy and i saw their soundcheck at the whisky that afternoon....later (laughs) my uncle wouldnt let us take his car to the strip at night, so despite the band's invitation to us, we couldnt go back to see 'em. honestly i was more bummed 'cuz the next night the ramones were gonna be there, a big deal to me in mid-77. the promo kit isnt in mint condition on the outside, more like vg, but the insides are fine, balloon notwithstanding. ====== i was gonna put it on e-bay, but i'll give youse guys first crack at it. anyone interested should please write me >off-group<, with an offer. this invitation is good until xmas eve... i also have two posters for hawkwind's '91 german/etc. tour,listing dates and locations, and would like to sell them too. more info on request. this is an unusual step for me to take; let's assume poverty is a factor here... hope to hear from someone...boy do i... saturnalian salutations! "<>" larry b From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sun Dec 19 23:33:49 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 23:33:49 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" 12/16/99 (w/bonus hours) Message-ID: "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-8pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list, e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks, Chuck NOTE: SDNC will broadcast from 11pm-1am this Thurs (12/23) and 5-8pm this Sat (12-25). WEB-RADIO INSTRUCTIONS FOR WINAMP : 1) Download the Winamp installation file from the address below. "Winamp Basic" rather than the larger file, "Winamp Complete," is all you'll need to hear KUCR. http://www.winamp.com/winamp/download/index.phtml After you've downloaded the installation file (Winamp25c.exe is the latest at this time), run it by double-clicking. This will install Winamp on your computer. After you've installed Winamp, you need to run the actual Winamp program (Winamp.exe) but first you need to connect to your internet server so Winamp can connect to the Internet. When you run Winamp, a small screen comes up on the left with lots of fancy controls. Ignore them to begin with. Also on the right, a web page is displayed which you can also ignore. On the lower left hand corner is a button which says "add". Click that and then click the top button of the three that come up above the one you just clicked on. When asked to provide an internet address, type in the following http://www.kucr.org:8000 Say OK. One more step. Double click on the item in the file box of Winamp and it will start to play KUCR live. If it stops playing or breaks up, double click again to reconnect. "Space Does Not Care" 11/16/99 (11pm-4am) 1.Escapade--Intoxicated by the Swirling Blue (Citrus Cloud Cover) 2.Can--Pinch (Ege Bamyasi) 3.Architectural Metaphor--Holographic Caves (Creature of the Velvet Void) 4.Blue Oyster Cult--This Ain't the Summer of Love (Agents of Fortune) 5.Pipedream--first song on album (lost the CD case!) 6.Orb--White River Junction (Orbus Terrarrum) 7.ST-37--If Your Mind Expands, Your Head Will Explode (Spaceage) 8.Hawkwind--Earth Calling/Born to Go (BBC Radio 1 Live) 9.Led Zeppelin--The Lemon Song (LZ II) 10.Tea Party--Turn the Lamp Down Low (Edges of Twilight) 11.F/i--Doktors for Bob (Helioscopium) 12.Ozric Tentacles--Erpriff (Live Ethreal Cereal) 13.Brainticket--Like a Place in the Sun (Psychonaut) 14.Black Sabbath--The Wizard (Black Sabbath) 15.Hawkwind--Spirit of the Age (Quark, Strangeness and Charm) 16.Sundial--Plains of Nazca (Other Way Out) 17.Melting Euphoria--Ravenscourt Park (Under Solar Winds) 18.Spacious Mind--The Cave Song (Organic Mind Solution) 19.Gaia Avatara--Awakening (Strange Daze '97) 20.Red Giant--Rooms of Shoord (Strange Daze '97) 21.Zappa/Mothers--Pygmy Twylyte (Roxy and Elsewhere) 22.Gong--Master Builder (You) 23.Anubian Lights--Pulse of the Nile (Eternal Sky) 24.Residents--Where Is She? (Hell!) 25.Residents--Coming of the Crow (Hell!) 26.Hawkwind--Angel Voices/Nuclear Drive (Church of Hawkwind) 27.Quarkspace--Outerspace Highway (Hidden Moon) 28.Transient Waves--Wavelengths (Sounds of Psychedelphia comp) 29.Pink Floyd--Pigs <3 Different Ones> (Animals) 30.Daniel Lanois--Still Water (Acadie) 31.Manilla Road--Astronomica (Open the Gates) 32.Nik Turner--Dream Worker (Past or Future?) 33.Amon Duul II--Wie der Wind am Ende einer Strasse (Wolf City) 34.Hawkwind--Infinity (PXR5) 35.Zappa/Mothers--Didja Get Any On Ya? (Weasels Ripped My Flesh) 36.Residents--Smelly Tongues (Meet the Residents) 37.Residents--Hello Skinny (Hell!) 38.Orb--Towers of Dub (Live '93) 39.Hawkwind--Lord of Light (Space Ritual) 40.Hawkwind--Orgone Accumulator (Undisclosed Files/Addendum) 41.Hawkwind--Ghost Dance (Undisclosed Files/Addendum) 42.Pipedream--3rd track of album (??) 12/18/99 "Briefspace" 1.Nik Turner--Horus (Sonic Attack 2001) 2.Tangerine Dream--Stratosphere (Stratosphere) 3.Daniel Lanois--Fisherman's Daughter (Acadie) 4.Beyondomatic--Scareotica/Ghosty (Your Body) 5.Dave Brock--Space (Strange Trips and Pipe Dreams) 6.Hawkwind--Opa-loka (Warrior at the Edge of Time) 7.Subarachnoid Space--Circular Motion (Ether Or) Thanks, Chuck From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Mon Dec 20 04:17:34 1999 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 04:17:34 EST Subject: HW/OFF: WIDOWMAKER 77 promo kit Message-ID: i think i was told by someone i thought would know (lb: scott arthur!) that 'ariel bender' was a pseudonym of mick ronson's. any info? rmayo From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 20 06:18:32 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:18:32 GMT Subject: Help on Codex? In-Reply-To: Johan Edlundh's message of Sat, 18 Dec 1999 10:39:08 +0100 Message-ID: Johan Edlundh writes: > >I also seem to have heard Shot Down from Live 1982 before but I can't > >quite identify where. > > not heard live 1982 yet, but Psychedelia Lives on F&R III is an inner jam of > Shot Down in the Night, but is according to sleeve information taken from > Glastonbury 1981. Yeah, but it's not that one. It's the Turner growling out the lyrics that I recognise. > sold your spare metal shield yet? > I don't have it. Nope, still have a spare Undisclosed Files CD... FoFP From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Dec 20 06:59:45 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 06:59:45 EST Subject: HW/OFF: WIDOWMAKER 77 promo kit Message-ID: In a message dated 12/20/99 4:18:52 AM, RMayo19761 at AOL.COM writes: << i think i was told by someone i thought would know (lb: scott arthur!) that 'ariel bender' was a pseudonym of mick ronson's. any info? rmayo < >> ============= (laughing, because i'm not sure how to spell his name) luther um...grosvenor...was in spooky tooth, did at least one solo lp, and would show up in mott the hoople, and then widowmaker, as "ariel bender". BUT...mick ronson was in mott the hoople during the last days of ian hunter's presence in the band...like, two weeks. "<>" From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 20 06:30:12 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 07:30:12 EDT Subject: HW/OFF: WIDOWMAKER 77 promo kit In-Reply-To: <0.f3a2392b.258f4e2e@aol.com> Message-ID: On 20 Dec 99 at 4:17, Robert C. Mayo wrote: > i think i was told by someone i thought would know (lb: scott arthur!) that > 'ariel bender' was a pseudonym of mick ronson's. any info? > rmayo It's a nom de guerre for Luther Grovsenor[sp?]. He played gtr for Mott the Hoople after Mick RALPHS left. Easy to see the source of confusion... theo From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Dec 20 09:44:23 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (K Henderson) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 09:44:23 -0500 Subject: HW/OFF: WIDOWMAKER 77 promo kit Message-ID: Theo said... >On 20 Dec 99 at 4:17, Robert C. Mayo wrote: > >> i think i was told by someone i thought would know (lb: scott arthur!) that >> 'ariel bender' was a pseudonym of mick ronson's. any info? >> rmayo > >It's a nom de guerre for Luther Grovsenor[sp?]. He played gtr for >Mott the Hoople after Mick RALPHS left. Easy to see the source of >confusion... Grosvenor...close enuff. IIRC, his pseudonym Ariel Bender was presumably a reference to a particular guitar-playing style, 'ariel bending.' But not being a guitarist myself, perhaps that's just some sort of inside joke, I dunno. Anyway, it could explain others using the same moniker. There are multiple Bass Assassins as you know. They just need to number them...Luther being Ariel Bender #1. BTW, both Luther and Spooky Tooth (w/o Gary Wright) have done new albums in recent years, Floodgates and Cross Purposes, respectively. That was only yesterday.... Keith H. (FAA) From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 20 09:31:20 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 10:31:20 EDT Subject: HW/OFF: WIDOWMAKER 77 promo kit In-Reply-To: <199912201501.KAA26052@mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On 20 Dec 99 at 9:44, K Henderson wrote: > > Grosvenor...close enuff. IIRC, his pseudonym Ariel Bender was presumably a > reference to a particular guitar-playing style, 'ariel bending.' But not > being a guitarist myself, perhaps that's just some sort of inside joke, I > dunno. Ariel was an English Motorcycle of some reknown among enthusiasts. Reportedly one of the fastest bikes ever built--and that was almost 50 years ago! An, of course, let's not overlook the Shakespearean character Ariel, a sprite or pixie, from, what, the Tempest? I blush at my inability to say for certain... > > BTW, both Luther and Spooky Tooth (w/o Gary Wright) have done new albums in > recent years, Floodgates and Cross Purposes, respectively. > What say ye about these new recordings? Worth a listen? theo From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Dec 20 13:54:08 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 10:54:08 -0800 Subject: HW: Recent v Old/Poll Message-ID: On Sun, 19 Dec 1999 23:17:40 +0000, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: >On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 12:14:52PM -0800, Doug Pearson wrote: >> I recently heard a recording of the Maximum Effect's (Steve Pond, Fred & >> Mick Stupp post-ICU, pre-Krankschaft/Calvert) last show that is incredible... > > Blimey. Is _this_ on record, or is this a bootleg? First I've >knowingly heard of this band... Steve Pond sent me a CD-R made from an old tape he had; it IS bootleg sound quality, unfortunately, but an amazing performance with a few ICU classics (some thrown together in bizarre medleys) and some cool originals (two of which were released as the "Espania"/"The Wrecker" 7" single back in '86 - I think Steve still has several boxes of these in his house and gives away free copies on request). If you ask nicely, Steve might put up MP3's of this show on his website (and if you've been enjoying the MP3 downloads, please drop him a line - he'll be psyched to hear from people listening to them). > Ah, I see! I was more sort of lumping the two concepts together. >To my mind an HW keyboardist has to swoosh more than play the old joanna, >which is why I rate Harvey so highly, and also Tim; they really add >something to the sound but it is, admittedly, synths. If it weren't for Simon House, it would be a lot easier to lump "keys" and "synths" together for Hawkwind, but Simon is a great *keyboard* player (very talented!) without being much of a synth player. OTOH Del Dettmar probably couldn't play "Chopsticks" if his life depended on it! (And then there's someone like Keith Hale, who wasn't really any good at either one.) I'm also concerned with the distiction because I'm a pretty great (IMnsHO) synth player when it comes to twiddling knobs, but only so-so when it comes to actually tinkling the ivories ... >In terms of actual >keyboard ability I haven't ever really bothered to assess Steve, but he >still seems to me to have something of an affectation for what Zappa >called "redundant piano triplets"... Yeah, I know what you mean there. That's something that doesn't really work for Hawkwind in general, but I think it works real well on the rocked-out 'Hawklords Live' album. >But if you're rating 'em that way >then you have much more of the right of it than I, certainly. That's the great thing about boc-l; we ALL have just as much right to rate 'em on whatever grounds we choose ... or the Right To Decide not to rate 'em at all, -Doug ceres at sirius.com From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Dec 20 05:21:45 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 10:21:45 +0000 Subject: HW/OFF: WIDOWMAKER 77 promo kit In-Reply-To: <0.f3a2392b.258f4e2e@aol.com> Message-ID: In article <0.f3a2392b.258f4e2e at aol.com>, Robert C. Mayo writes > i think i was told by someone i thought would know (lb: scott arthur!) that >'ariel bender' was a pseudonym of mick ronson's. any info? >rmayo Only that it wasn't. Ariel Bender was born Luther Grosvener. Ronson was different other fellah. -- Jon From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Mon Dec 20 14:22:53 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:22:53 -0500 Subject: OFF: Band Names Message-ID: Back to the interesting band name tangent. This weekend I saw Buzzbomb Betty White Trash Half Cocked (half the band members were women) and my fav. Upper Crust From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Dec 20 14:50:45 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:50:45 -0800 Subject: OFF: Band Names Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:22:53 -0500, "Hall, Russell J" wrote: >Back to the interesting band name tangent. > >This weekend I saw > my fav. >Upper Crust Those are the guys who dress in 17th/18th century garb, right? -Doug ceres at sirius.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Dec 20 15:00:52 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:00:52 EST Subject: OFF: Band Names Message-ID: In a message dated 12/20/99 2:52:15 PM, ceres at SIRIUS.COM writes: << >This weekend I saw > my fav. >Upper Crust Those are the guys who dress in 17th/18th century garb, right? ================>> yep! "<>" From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Tue Dec 21 02:24:52 1999 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 02:24:52 EST Subject: OFF: Band Names Message-ID: <> ....and sound more like ac/dc than ac/dc these days.... rmayo From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Dec 21 11:07:09 1999 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 00:07:09 +0800 Subject: HW:Anyone heard of these?? In-Reply-To: <000301bf4a64$19fc1880$d549a8c2@xpnwjjkf> Message-ID: Hi there On the CDNow Web Page under Hawkwind it lists the following singles, which I've never heard of. Are they, in fact, Hawkwind tracks (the titles of some do not sound like HW songs!), or something else entirely??? SINGLES Click price to add to cart While You're Down There Download $0.99 Watching Your Watch Download $0.99 Paint My Mailbox Blue Download $0.99 Older Woman Download $0.99 I'm Bad Download $0.99 I Wish You Would Download $0.99 Hear Me Talkin' Download $0.99 Don't Treat Your Man Like A Dog Download $0.99 Don't Put Your Hands On Me Download $0.99 Also, according to the RPM web page, it looks like the first of the Wierd Tapes CD's is now out? Can anyone confirm this? William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Dec 21 11:37:32 1999 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 00:37:32 +0800 Subject: HW CD listed on RPM In-Reply-To: <199912201118.LAA29763@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi there I think the HW CD listed on RPM is just one of the recent live CD's, only under the title Collectors Series. William From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Dec 21 12:31:13 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:31:13 EST Subject: HW:Anyone heard of these?? Message-ID: In a message dated 12/21/99 11:08:57 AM, xl5 at IINET.NET.AU writes: << or something else entirely??? SINGLES Click price to add to cart While You're Down There Download $0.99 Watching Your Watch Download $0.99 Paint My Mailbox Blue Download $0.99 Older Woman Download $0.99 I'm Bad Download $0.99 I Wish You Would Download $0.99 Hear Me Talkin' Download $0.99 Don't Treat Your Man Like A Dog Download $0.99 Don't Put Your Hands On Me Download $0.99 >> =========== i'd say "something else entirely" "<>" From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Tue Dec 21 14:59:06 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:59:06 -0600 Subject: HW:Anyone heard of these?? Message-ID: according to the RPM web page, it looks like the first of the Wierd >Tapes CD's is now out? Can anyone confirm this? I would only go by that "Hawkman Music" guy's web page, ah... 1999 Releases. www.intplsrv.net/hawkman/rel99.html From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Tue Dec 21 23:51:49 1999 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:51:49 EST Subject: HW:Anyone heard of these?? Message-ID: i'm no 'hawxpert' but...weren't the song titles enough of a tip? no offense intended, just feeling superior (today) rmayo From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Dec 22 06:37:12 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:37:12 -0000 Subject: Cricket Star Message-ID: I dug out an old box of 45's to look for some old ICU singles and came across Bob Calvert's flexi single "Cricket Star". I think it was recorded in 78/79 (I bought it in 79/80). Does anyone have more info? Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Wed Dec 22 06:51:25 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 06:51:25 -0500 Subject: OFF: Band Names Message-ID: Yes, indeed-e Lord Bendover, Duc d'Istortion, Count Bassie, & Jackie Kickassis singing songs like Little Rickshaw Boy Hifalutin' Long Table for Two 20 Paces Bleed Me Rabble Rouser Vulgar Tongue Old Money and (of course) I've Got My Ascot and My Dickie They even included the steam powered amplifier this time. (read pipe-organ smoke machine) > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Pearson [SMTP:ceres at SIRIUS.COM] > Sent: Monday, December 20, 1999 2:51 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: OFF: Band Names > > On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:22:53 -0500, "Hall, Russell J" > wrote: > >Back to the interesting band name tangent. > > > >This weekend I saw > > my fav. > >Upper Crust > > Those are the guys who dress in 17th/18th century garb, right? > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Dec 22 07:55:16 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 07:55:16 EST Subject: OFF: Band Names Message-ID: forgot to mention the first time round in spring '72 the lark of a "band" which evolved into a life's pursuit for me was called.... OZOB AND THE NARX. pretty darned 'punk' of me to have a band called 'the narx' in 72 lololol saturnalian salutations, everybody! "<>" From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Wed Dec 22 08:52:27 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Zeitgeist) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:52:27 -0000 Subject: BOC-L 1999 Tape Swap Message-ID: Lives on! Just received Jonathan Jarretts "Cosmic Rings and Heavy Things", and rather splendid it is too. Gekke, it'll arrive after the holidays. Tape lists still available at; http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/boc99.htm Stuart Blessings and peace from Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground E-zine, freezine and online Record Store http://www.zeitgeist- scot.com PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van Vliet alternate url: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot Blessings and peace from Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground E-zine, freezine and online Record Store http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van Vliet alternate url: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Wed Dec 22 09:17:20 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:17:20 +0100 Subject: BOC-L 1999 Tape Swap In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi All, Well I still got two tapes laying around, waiting to be send on. After the holidays I will try to close the circel. Bart (aka Gekke Henkie) > Lives on! > > Just received Jonathan Jarretts "Cosmic Rings and Heavy Things", > and rather splendid it is too. Gekke, it'll arrive after the holidays. > Tape lists still available at; > http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/boc99.htm > > Stuart > > Blessings and peace from Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The > Underground > E-zine, freezine and online Record Store http://www.zeitgeist- > scot.com PO > Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK "The way I keep in touch with > the world > is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van > Vliet > alternate url: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot > Blessings and peace from Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground > E-zine, freezine and online Record Store http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com > PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK > "The way I keep in touch with the world is very gingerly, because the world touches too hard" Don Van Vliet > alternate url: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot "It's in your head" | Bart Brugmans | tel: 026 3514232 | werk: 030 2316833 (ma,di,wo en do) | email: bart at bundersbos.demon.nl From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Dec 22 09:26:15 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 14:26:15 -0000 Subject: Yuletide and New Millenium Greetings One and All Message-ID: I've enjoyed my first year on the "list". Best Wishes Dave n/p : Air "Moon Safari" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Dec 22 19:18:35 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 00:18:35 +0000 Subject: [richard@cranium.co.nz: [stonerrock] Hawkwind Tour] Message-ID: Dear All, don't know how much weight to attach to this, but Mr. Stockwell is generally at least informed, if possibly not well so. Maybe good news for the down-under fans anyway... Yours, Jon ----- Forwarded message from Richard Stockwell ----- From: "Richard Stockwell" To: Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 14:49:46 +1300 Subject: [stonerrock] Hawkwind Tour From: "Richard Stockwell" BREAKING NEWS .... BREAKING NEWS .... BREAKING NEWS .... HAWKWIND ARE COMING TO NEW ZEALAND Just confirmed today is the news that Hawkwind are set to do a 6 week tour of New Zealand from late January to early March 2000. The band will combine playing and sightseeing during their tour hence the 6 week tour. Dates pencilled in are: January 25th Arrive Jan 28th Whangarei Jan 29th Auckland (Powerstation) Feb 4th Auckland (Powerstation .. to be confirmed) Feb 5th Hamilton (To be confirmed) Feb 11th Palmerston North (To be confirmed) Feb 19th Nelson Feb 26th Christchurch March 3rd Dunedin Other concerts may be added within these dates. The band will arrive with a 11 member party (7 band members) and Lemmy has shown interest in joining the tour but this is yet to be confirmed whether he will be part of the band or not. Confirmation of the tour has happened very quickly and so further news will be issued as it comes to hand. Cranium Music is not involved in any way with the tour but I have offered to help out where possible to make this an event that many many people in this country have dreamt of for a very long time. ************************************* --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! 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Clare Boothby(1997)| \______________________________________________________________________/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Dec 22 19:33:29 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 00:33:29 +0000 Subject: BOC-L 1999 Tape Swap In-Reply-To: ; from Zeitgeist on Wed, Dec 22, 1999 at 01:52:27PM -0000 Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 22, 1999 at 01:52:27PM -0000, Zeitgeist wrote: > Lives on! > > Just received Jonathan Jarretts "Cosmic Rings and Heavy Things", > and rather splendid it is too. Gekke, it'll arrive after the holidays. > Tape lists still available at; > http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/boc99.htm Er, cheers! Meanwhile, I have a box of backlogged tapes ready to go here, but I seem to have lost some messages in a recent change of mailer; one of them had Chris Warburton's address in... Could he or Russell send it me again? Yours, Jon (clearing out the atheroma of the tape trade) -- /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | =====================================================================| |"Find the microwave and you shall find the bison!" Clare Boothby(1997)| \______________________________________________________________________/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Dec 22 19:39:49 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 00:39:49 +0000 Subject: HW: 99 Tour Boot on sale Message-ID: Dear All, sighted the day before yesterday in Cambridge, a boot of the Milton Keynes gig from the recent tour - fast work! It seemed to have an accurate track-list and reasonable packaging, but it was ?25 and a boot so I didn't get it. In fact, I'm quite frightened that it exists already. Thank heavens _real_ albums take longer to come out... Yours, Jon -- /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | =====================================================================| |"Find the microwave and you shall find the bison!" Clare Boothby(1997)| \______________________________________________________________________/ From lwitt1 at USWEST.NET Wed Dec 22 20:30:24 1999 From: lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:30:24 -0600 Subject: HW: 99 Tour Boot on sale Message-ID: There are still plans to tree this show on the list. I would encourage people not to buy the boot, but participate in the free tree. Once this thing gets treed amongst us hardcore fans it will hopefully eliminate the need for people to buy the boot. Plans are to have a tree set up real soon. Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > > Dear All, > sighted the day before yesterday in Cambridge, a boot > of the Milton Keynes gig from the recent tour - fast work! It seemed to > have an accurate track-list and reasonable packaging, but it was ?25 and > a boot so I didn't get it. In fact, I'm quite frightened that it exists > already. Thank heavens _real_ albums take longer to come out... Yours, > Jon > > -- > /______________________________________________________________________\ > | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | > | (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | > | =====================================================================| > |"Find the microwave and you shall find the bison!" Clare Boothby(1997)| > \______________________________________________________________________/ From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Thu Dec 23 03:55:52 1999 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 01:55:52 -0700 Subject: HW: 99 Tour Boot on sale Message-ID: Kewl!! I'm still interested!! Pam Dan Witt wrote: > There are still plans to tree this show on the list. I would encourage > people not to buy the boot, but participate in the free tree. Once this > thing gets treed amongst us hardcore fans it will hopefully eliminate > the need for people to buy the boot. Plans are to have a tree set up > real soon. > -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Was reading my Westwood One morning fax. It's got a big list of new discs for 2000. People get ready: On February 8th, 2000, we can finally get our hands on "DON'T FEAR THE REAPER: THE BEST OF BLUE OYSTER CULT"!!! Somebody please stop this madness!!! -- Nick From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 23 06:44:15 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 11:44:15 GMT Subject: HW: cdr tree report In-Reply-To: Dan Witt's message of Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:38:14 -0600 Message-ID: Dan Witt writes: > Work is being done to make the cdr tree a reality. My apologies to folks as I suspect I'm holding things up - work, y2k, christmas, Bad Craziness... Anyway, after today I'm on holiday through to 5th January and will be at home for most of it, so I should be able to catch up on this stuff provided that the Y2K bug doesn't eat my 'puter. So Santa will be a little late in bringing the mini-tour compilation but things should be moving soon... FoFP From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Thu Dec 23 08:18:18 1999 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 13:18:18 -0000 Subject: HW:Brixton in March Message-ID: I got a wad of flyers from Trev Hughes today. Amongst them, along woth one for the comic mart signing, was one advertising 'The Night of the Hawks 2000AD' Brixton Academy Fri 24th March. Its not on the Academy website yet though... Happy Yuletide to one and all... Nick From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Thu Dec 23 08:28:51 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 08:28:51 -0500 Subject: BOC: Not again!!! Message-ID: > Was reading my Westwood One morning fax. It's got a big list of new > discs for 2000. People get ready: On February 8th, 2000, we can > finally get our hands on "DON'T FEAR THE REAPER: THE BEST OF BLUE > OYSTER CULT"!!! > > Somebody please stop this madness!!! Yes, it is true. This album has actually been in the works for about a year now - it is yet another BOC compilation with a fairly unimaginative name (especially since there are already 2 BOC compilations with DFtR in the title), but has 3 potentially (somewhat) redeeming features: 1. The tracks are supposed to be re-mastered. 2. There is hope for some interesting liner notes (I know, I'm reaching here...) 3. The tracks were selected, at least in part, based on BOC fan input - that is, Eric polled the AOL crowd to see what they considered BOC's greatest hits -- note that this means asking BOC fans what they perceive to be stuff that an average Joe would want to hear - NOT what a die-hard fan might be interested -- so, no rare out-takes, unreleased songs, rare live tracks, or even cool but obscure songs (like say "Mistress of the Salmon Salt"). The more I think about it, this isn't a redeeming feature at all. John From jswartz at MITRE.ORG Thu Dec 23 08:32:42 1999 From: jswartz at MITRE.ORG (John A. Swartz) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 08:32:42 -0500 Subject: BOC: A little poetry for the holiday... Message-ID: This is something I did up last year - it's a bit weak in spots, but I like other parts, so I submit it here for your Holiday enjoyment. Happy Holidays to you all!! John 'Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the house Not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse; The stockings were hung by the chimney with care, In hopes that Blue Oyster Cult soon would be there; The children were nestled all snug in their beds, While visions of guitars danced in their heads; And Suzy in leather, and I with some beer, Had just settled down for some late-evening cheer, When out on the lawn there arose such a noise, I sprang from the bed to see if it was the Oyster Boys. Away to the window I flew like a flash, Taking care not to hit Suzy - my arm's in a cast. The Harvest moon shining on the snow in the night evoked memories of mirror-balls lit by laser light. When, what to my wondering eyes should I spy, But a space ship that looked like a wheel in the sky. It flew to my house, skimming over the trees; I got to my feet, then fell to my knees. A door opened wide and a voice did exhult, "Here they come - from New York City - the amazing BLUE OYSTER CULT!!" And then, in a twinkling, they opened my door and Danny Miranda stood on the floor. He carried a sack the size of a gorilla. Then he pulled out his bass, and played the riff to "Godzilla". Then through the door came Bobby Rondinelli. He shook, when he laughed like a bowl full of jelly. With cigarette dangling from his lower lip, Allen Lanier next arrived from the ship. Their sound shook the house from the earth to the skies, I thought it would melt both my ears and my eyes. But as we all delighted in the sound, we all knew that soon we'd be greeted by the other two... Not removing his shades as he entered the room, in came the figure of one Eric Bloom. And pulling a knife from out of the sack, looked at Suzy saying "I'd like to see you in black". A lift of his shades and a wink from one peeper, Soon gave me to know I should not fear the Reaper; He spoke not a word, but gave me no alarm, carving "Good Health to You" upon the cast on my arm. Buck Dharma arrived next on the scene without fail. With guitar in hand, he proceeded to wail. With the band now complete, and with all in position, the sound dominated us, and we fell to submission. The music engulfed us, as we knew it would. We were damaged, and we liked it, and we all understood. They left much too soon, but after this rocking they left "Heaven Forbid" and "Flat Out" in our stockings. They left in their ship, and as it flew overhead three men in black appeared - "Don't Report This", they said. But I heard them exclaim, as they flew out of view, "HAPPY CHRISTMAS TO ALL, AND THE JOKE'S . . . ON YOU!!!" From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Dec 23 09:59:41 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 14:59:41 +0000 Subject: HW:Recent v Old/Poll (ON Keys...) In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991215140149.0092e5f0@pop.sirius.com>; from Doug Pearson on Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 02:01:49PM -0800 Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 02:01:49PM -0800, Doug Pearson wrote: > On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:12:04 -0000, david hall > wrote: > >Simon House at number one for his playing with Hawkwind, however, I bought > >the Spiral Realms Live CD and wasn't exactly bowled over. Is this > >representative of the other stuff? > > I'm afraid that it is (his solo material, at least). Even though I'm a > *huge* Simon House fan (I even own the Bowie and Japan albums he's on ... > OK not the Thomas Dolby one), his Spiral Realms and solo releases don't do > much for me. They're very nice, the playing's good ... but like many > (most?) musicians, Simon does better in a band than solo. I would second that: even _Yassassim_ isn't particularly exciting, though I quite liked the Spiral Realms stuff I've heard in a quiet way. But what is this about Japan and Dolby? I don't exactly intend to rush out and buy them, but I feel I should know which albums they are... > >If not, what else should I try? > > If you don't have the original two High Tide albums, definitely check those > out. Also the posthumous 'Interesting Times' release of c.1972 jams is great. The first two, now on one CD, are definitely worth having although I find the second rather oprressive. It's definitely all good stuff though. Yours, Jon -- /______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | | =====================================================================| |"Find the microwave and you shall find the bison!" Clare Boothby(1997)| \______________________________________________________________________/ From blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Thu Dec 23 11:46:02 1999 From: blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 09:46:02 -0700 Subject: BOC: From the Hardradio web page http://www.hardradio.com/ Message-ID: "Watch for a new BLUE OYSTER CULT album recorded in 1972 called Live In New York." That's all it says, anyone heard any more...? Brad L. From bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET Thu Dec 23 12:19:29 1999 From: bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET (Brian Halligan) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 12:19:29 -0500 Subject: BOC: From the Hardradio web page http://www.hardradio.com/ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Brad wrote: >"Watch for a new BLUE OYSTER CULT album recorded in 1972 called Live In New >York." > >That's all it says, anyone heard any more...? Sounds like the 4 song '72 bootleg of a show at a pizza parlor in Rochester, NY. Two of the tracks on the Workshop of the Telescopes 2CD set are from this (WotT and tR&tB). One of the others is Cities on Flame, but I can't remember the last one. I wonder, if they're putting out an official Live '72 release, will there only be 4 songs, or will they pad it with other rare cuts? Brian >Brad L. From LukeChurch at AOL.COM Thu Dec 23 15:58:14 1999 From: LukeChurch at AOL.COM (Jean-Luc Carrier) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 15:58:14 EST Subject: BOC: From the Hardradio web page http://www.hardradio.com/ Message-ID: Dans un courrier dat? du 23/12/99 18:21:52, vous avez ?crit : << I wonder, if they're putting out an official Live '72 release, will there only be 4 songs, or will they pad it with other rare cuts? >> >From this Enchanted Evening at the Nugget Pizza Parlor in Rochester (NY), WCMF broadcasted the following songs : R&B, STTS, TMC, LDOM, BTK, WOTT, COF and BTBW. Live tape exists. 4 cuts will make the promo E.P. straight off the radio master tapes... That's why they sound pretty raw. Was it the complete set list from this show ? I thought it was cos' it seems to be a short set... times where B?C wasn't known enough to head the bill. Buring out this radio recording "will surely prove a sight"... far more than any remastered sucking compilation... _LuKe_ From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Dec 23 17:19:26 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 17:19:26 EST Subject: BOC: From the Hardradio web page http://www.hardradio.com/ Message-ID: In a message dated 12/23/99 12:21:52 PM, bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET writes: << Sounds like the 4 song '72 bootleg of a show at a pizza parlor in Rochester, NY. Two of the tracks on the Workshop of the Telescopes 2CD set are from this (WotT and tR&tB). One of the others is Cities on Flame, but I can't remember the last one.>> yeah, that's what i was thinking....the copy i had of that boot was entitled "in your mouth or on the ground", but there may have been other incarnations of it... "<>" From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Fri Dec 24 04:29:18 1999 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 04:29:18 EST Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: HAPPY POLITICALLY-CORRECT NONSENSE! LOVE, BOB & TABITHA From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Dec 24 05:16:14 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 10:16:14 -0000 Subject: HW:Recent v Old/Poll (ON Keys...) Message-ID: Simon is on Tin Drum by Japan and is worth having, I don't think he is on anything else. Richard Barbieri, keyboards, is now with the Porcupine Tree - if you haven't invested in their stuff, you are missing out. Dave n/p Banco de Gaia - Maya -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Jarrett To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 23 December 1999 15:00 Subject: Re: HW:Recent v Old/Poll (ON Keys...) >On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 02:01:49PM -0800, Doug Pearson wrote: >> On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:12:04 -0000, david hall >> wrote: >> >Simon House at number one for his playing with Hawkwind, however, I bought >> >the Spiral Realms Live CD and wasn't exactly bowled over. Is this >> >representative of the other stuff? >> >> I'm afraid that it is (his solo material, at least). Even though I'm a >> *huge* Simon House fan (I even own the Bowie and Japan albums he's on ... >> OK not the Thomas Dolby one), his Spiral Realms and solo releases don't do >> much for me. They're very nice, the playing's good ... but like many >> (most?) musicians, Simon does better in a band than solo. > > I would second that: even _Yassassim_ isn't particularly >exciting, though I quite liked the Spiral Realms stuff I've heard in a >quiet way. But what is this about Japan and Dolby? I don't exactly >intend to rush out and buy them, but I feel I should know which albums >they are... > >> >If not, what else should I try? >> >> If you don't have the original two High Tide albums, definitely check those >> out. Also the posthumous 'Interesting Times' release of c.1972 jams is great. > > The first two, now on one CD, are definitely worth having >although I find the second rather oprressive. It's definitely all good >stuff though. Yours, > Jon > >-- > /______________________________________________________________________\ > | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | > | (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | > | =====================================================================| > |"Find the microwave and you shall find the bison!" Clare Boothby(1997)| > \______________________________________________________________________/ > From micci at SCI.FI Fri Dec 24 05:58:31 1999 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 12:58:31 +0200 Subject: HW: 99 Tour Boot on sale Message-ID: Hi! > Dear All, > sighted the day before yesterday in Cambridge, a boot >of the Milton Keynes gig from the recent tour - fast work! It seemed to >have an accurate track-list and reasonable packaging, but it was ?25 and >a boot so I didn't get it. In fact, I'm quite frightened that it exists >already. Thank heavens _real_ albums take longer to come out... Yours, Is this CD-R or what? Hyv?? Joulua, God Jul, Merry Xmas! Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Dec 24 06:13:55 1999 From: age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Adrian Parr) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 11:13:55 -0000 Subject: Hawkwind 1995 North American tickets Message-ID: Hello Folks Just wondering if anyone could help me out with any Hawkwind tickets from the 1995 North American tour? Email attachments are fine, preferably 300dpi JPEGS. Hope to hear from you Have plenty of festive fun All the best for 2000 Age Visit the "Hawkeye on Hawkwind" website at: http://www.conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk/index.html From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Dec 24 10:26:22 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 10:26:22 EST Subject: OFF: mare xmas mare xmas xmas xmas mare mare Message-ID: << Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit our best > wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low > stress, non-addictive, gender neutral, celebration of the winter > solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of > the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of > your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasions > and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice > religious or secular traditions at all . . . > > . . and a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling, and > medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally > accepted calendar year 2000, but not without due respect for the > calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society > have helped make America great, (not to imply that America is > necessarily greater than any other country or is the only "AMERICA" > in the western hemisphere), and without regard to the race, creed, > color, age, physical ability, religious faith, choice of computer > platform, or sexual preference of the wishee. > > (By accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms. This > greeting is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely > transferable with no alteration to the original greeting. It implies > no promise by the wisher to actually implement any of the wishes for > her/himself or others, and is void where prohibited by law, and is > revocable at the sole discretion of the wisher. This wish is > warranted to perform as expected within the usual application of > good tidings for a period of one year, or until the issuance of a > subsequent holiday greeting, whichever comes first, and warranty is > limited to replacement of this wish or issuance of a new wish at the > sole discretion of the wisher.) > >> From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Fri Dec 24 12:38:09 1999 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 12:38:09 EST Subject: MERRY CHRISTMAS Message-ID: MAY EVERYONE HAVE A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR! Bev and Bill Stewart From antisol at SOFTHOME.NET Fri Dec 24 20:10:49 1999 From: antisol at SOFTHOME.NET (Sen. Volstead) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 19:10:49 -0600 Subject: Cricket Star Message-ID: david hall wrote: > I dug out an old box of 45's to look for some old ICU singles and > came across Bob Calvert's flexi single "Cricket Star". I think it was > recorded in 78/79 (I bought it in 79/80). Does anyone have more > info? Dave In case you haven't seen it, there's some on the "Spirit of the Page" site: www.thing.de/projekte/future -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Dec 25 08:10:44 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 08:10:44 EST Subject: OFF/XMAS: tiny tim would approve...no, not tiny tim... Message-ID: saturnalian salutations to my BOC-L comrades... a couple months ago kris tait submitted this url for 'the hunger site', where a mouse click a day donates food to the starving. i've made this gesture every day since then. damn, how much easier could it get to imagine you've contributed something positive...which is why i havent missed a day since she posted it. so here it is, again, and it's called... The Hunger Site Home - Donate Food for Free to ? arigato, ms. tait/mr brock HO to the 3rd power "<>" From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sat Dec 25 13:39:33 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 18:39:33 +0000 Subject: Bah! Humbug! In-Reply-To: <000601bf4df7$fdbc4c20$4738883e@default> Message-ID: Hace a cool yule everyone ChrisW Cueing: HW/Complete '79 Kyuss/Welcome To Sky Valley Played: Amon Duul II/Dance Of The Lemmings Masters Of Reality/Welcome To The Western Lodge HW/Levitation Not A Bad Haul Really :-{)))))> From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sun Dec 26 00:41:03 1999 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 13:41:03 +0800 Subject: [richard@cranium.co.nz: [stonerrock] Hawkwind Tour] In-Reply-To: <19991223001835.F7300@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: Any way the rest of us on the much, much bigger down-under island could arrange something to coincide with this??? William > Dear All, > don't know how much weight to attach to this, but Mr. > Stockwell is generally at least informed, if possibly not well so. Maybe > good news for the down-under fans anyway... Yours, > Jon > > ----- Forwarded message from Richard Stockwell > ----- > > From: "Richard Stockwell" > To: > Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 14:49:46 +1300 > Subject: [stonerrock] Hawkwind Tour > > From: "Richard Stockwell" > > BREAKING NEWS .... BREAKING NEWS .... BREAKING NEWS .... > > HAWKWIND ARE COMING TO NEW ZEALAND > > Just confirmed today is the news that Hawkwind are set to do a 6 week tour > of New Zealand from late January to early March 2000. The band > will combine > playing and sightseeing during their tour hence the 6 week tour. Dates > pencilled in are: > > January 25th Arrive > Jan 28th Whangarei > Jan 29th Auckland (Powerstation) > Feb 4th Auckland (Powerstation .. to be confirmed) > Feb 5th Hamilton (To be confirmed) > Feb 11th Palmerston North (To be confirmed) > Feb 19th Nelson > Feb 26th Christchurch > March 3rd Dunedin > > Other concerts may be added within these dates. The band will > arrive with a > 11 member party (7 band members) and Lemmy has shown interest in > joining the > tour but this is yet to be confirmed whether he will be part of > the band or > not. > Confirmation of the tour has happened very quickly and so > further news will > be issued as it comes to hand. > Cranium Music is not involved in any way with the tour > but I have offered > to help out where possible to make this an event that many many people in > this country have dreamt of for a very long time. > > ************************************* > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! > Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in > forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! > Click Here > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Community email addresses: > Post message: stonerrock at onelist.com > Subscribe: stonerrock-subscribe at onelist.com > Unsubscribe: stonerrock-unsubscribe at onelist.com > List owner: stonerrock-owner at onelist.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://www.onelist.com/community/stonerrock > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > -- > /______________________________________________________________________\ > | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | > | (01223 741219) jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk | > | =====================================================================| > |"Find the microwave and you shall find the bison!" Clare Boothby(1997)| > \______________________________________________________________________/ > From micci at SCI.FI Sun Dec 26 07:27:44 1999 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 14:27:44 +0200 Subject: OFF:Dark Sun Message-ID: Hi! Dark Sun have finaly they own homepage! Take a look http://hop.to/darksun Beawere: Don?t loose your nervesystem! Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sat Dec 25 20:40:55 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 01:40:55 +0000 Subject: Off: The Curry Song Message-ID: >From the Manband Mailing List This may amuse some of you... I think this version makes more sense than the original :-{P> Cheers, ChrisW > > > >The Curry Song > > >regards > >Rob Woolfe > > Bohemian Curry (sung to the tune of Bohemian Rhapsody) > > > Naan-aa, just killed a man > Poppadom against his head > Had lime pickle, now he's dead. > Naan-aa, dinner just begun > But now I'm going to crap it all away. > Naan-aa, ooh-ooh didn't mean to make you cry, > Seen nothin' yet just see the loo tomorrow, > Curry on, Curry on, 'cause nothing really madras. > Too late, my dinner's gone > Sends shivers up my spine > Rectum aching all the time. > Goodbye every bhaji, I've got to go > Gotta leave you all behind and use the loo. > Naan-aa, ooh ooh, > This Dopiaza's mild, > I sometimes wish we'd never come here at all... > ****** > (Guitar solo) > ***** > I see a little chicken tikka on the side, > Rogan Josh, Rogan Josh > pass the chutney made of mango. > Vindaloo does nicely > Very very spicey > Indeed! > Biryani (Biryani) > Biryani (Biryani) > Biryani and a naan, > (A vindaloo loo looo...) > I've eaten balti, somebody help me > (He's eaten balti, get him to a lavatory) > Stand you well back 'cause this loo is quarantined. > Here it comes, > There it goes, > technicolor yawn. > I chunder > No! > It's coming up again > (There he goes) I chunder > It's coming up again > (There he goes) It's coming up again, (Up again) > Coming up again (up again) > Here it comes again > (No no no no no no no no no No). > On my knees, I'm on my knees, I'm on my knees > (Oh there he goes) > This vindaloo is about to wreck my guts Poor me... Poor me... > Poor me! > ***** > (Guitar solo) > ***** > So you think you can chunder and still it's alright? > So you want to eat curry and drink beer all night? > Ohh maybe, now you'll puke like a baby, > Just had to come out, Just had to come right out in here.... > ****** > (Guitar solo) > ****** > Korma, saag or bhuna, > Balti, naan, bhaji. > Nothing makes a difference > Nothing makes a difference to me > (Anyway, my wind blows.) > From CCollins54 at AOL.COM Sun Dec 26 17:52:28 1999 From: CCollins54 at AOL.COM (CCollins54 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 17:52:28 EST Subject: Hawkwind 1995 North American tickets Message-ID: Hi Adrian: How are you doing? We hope you are well. I do have included copies of the ticket stubs, etc. in the American Hawktales I and II. I thought I have sent them to you. If you want better copies, I can mail another set to you. I don't have a scanner to put them through the computer. Let me know if I can help you out. Peace and Love, Jim Collins Best wishes to you and your family. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 27 06:32:41 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 07:32:41 EDT Subject: BOC: From the Hardradio web page http://www.hardradio.com/ In-Reply-To: <4.1.19991223121321.0095a100@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: On 23 Dec 99 at 12:19, Brian Halligan wrote: > Brad wrote: > >"Watch for a new BLUE OYSTER CULT album recorded in 1972 called Live In New > >York." > > > >That's all it says, anyone heard any more...? > > Sounds like the 4 song '72 bootleg of a show at a pizza parlor in > Rochester, NY. Two of the tracks on the Workshop of the Telescopes 2CD set > are from this (WotT and tR&tB). One of the others is Cities on Flame, but I > can't remember the last one. > Isn't it Buck's Boogie? Or is it a diff. version of BtbW? Damn Alzheimer's! I think maybe it's the Buck's Boogie that was on the 'Guitars that Destroyed the World' lp back in the days... theo From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Mon Dec 27 12:22:52 1999 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 18:22:52 +0100 Subject: filip hawknut from belgium (europe),want to buy Hawkfan 12,please look,surprise Message-ID: Hello Jim, Seen your sales list on the net,very interested in the Hawkfan 12,is it really complete? Can't buy the whole lot but interested.I even go further,you ask $100 for it,I'll give you $120 !!!! What about that ? respond me as soon as possibble please.Getting it from my wife for Chistmas. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 4:02 AM Subject: vinyl collection > I am sending a list of the vinyl for sale. If possible, I would like to sell > it all at one time. One buyer. I am waiting to try to do that. In the > meantime if you have a bid to make for the entire collection or the entire > Hawkwind collection or the non Hawkwind collection or whatever you like, make > your list up and send it to me. > > Peace and Love, > > > Jim Collins > From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Dec 28 04:54:11 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 04:54:11 EST Subject: 4th day w/o BOC-L.... Message-ID: come in please From dahl at AROS.NET Tue Dec 28 08:05:33 1999 From: dahl at AROS.NET (Brad Dahl) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 06:05:33 -0700 Subject: BOC: Who's beating the drums? Message-ID: This just in: >>>Drummer Chuck Bonfante is out, Bobby Rondinelli is in in SIGNS OF LIFE. The band is said to be a mix of Zebra, Journey, Touch and Kansas. Scheduled for release in the spring, song titles include Aryon, Wine, Signs Of Life, All My Life, Forever Again, Weight, Stranded, Cross The Line, Love Is Alive, I'll Be There, Desperate Heart, Heartache, In The Middle Of The Night and I'm Alive.<<< Anybody know who is going to replace Bobby? Bev Bevan? (a joke, I figure another ex-Black Sabbath drummer would work pretty good) Brad Dahl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Dec 28 19:01:54 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:01:54 -0800 Subject: HW: Calvert's Hype LP spotted Message-ID: Hi all ... good to be back in California after a week visiting the folks in the midwest. I thought I'd mention spotting an original copy of Robert Calvert's 'Hype' LP (my second-favorite by him, behind 'Captain Lockheed', of course) for $16 [a very fair price these days IMO] at a store. They also had a decent amount of Hawkwind (and Gong, etc.) vinyl, although mostly at not-so-reasonable prices (LOTS of $30 LP's!). If you're looking for that one, drop me a line, and I'll send you the info on the store (I assume they do mail order, although I didn't ask). Sorry, Bernhard, no 'Glastonbury Fayre' there :^( [I'll keep looking, though...]. And one of the workers there put on side 2 of 'Doremi Fasol Latido' while I was browsing the stacks (completely unsolicited) - THAT made my afternoon! -Doug ceres at sirius.com From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Dec 28 21:33:52 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:33:52 EST Subject: OFF: "Space Does Not Care" Play-list 12/23/99 Message-ID: "SPACE DOES NOT CARE" airs every Sat evening from 5-8pm PST on 88.3fm KUCR. For comments, questions, requests to be added or removed from this mailing list, e-mail: chuckrecs at aol.com. Thanks, Chuck WEB-RADIO INSTRUCTIONS FOR WINAMP : 1) Download the Winamp installation file from the address below. "Winamp Basic" rather than the larger file, "Winamp Complete," is all you'll need to hear KUCR. http://www.winamp.com/winamp/download/index.phtml After you've downloaded the installation file (Winamp25c.exe is the latest at this time), run it by double-clicking. This will install Winamp on your computer. After you've installed Winamp, you need to run the actual Winamp program (Winamp.exe) but first you need to connect to your internet server so Winamp can connect to the Internet. When you run Winamp, a small screen comes up on the left with lots of fancy controls. Ignore them to begin with. Also on the right, a web page is displayed which you can also ignore. On the lower left hand corner is a button which says "add". Click that and then click the top button of the three that come up above the one you just clicked on. When asked to provide an internet address, type in the following http://www.kucr.org:8000 Say OK. One more step. Double click on the item in the file box of Winamp and it will start to play KUCR live. If it stops playing or breaks up, double click again to reconnect. 12/23/99 1.Helios Creed--Frustration (Activated Condition) 2.Ozric Tentacles--Tentacular Explosion (Live Ethereal Cereal) 3.Nucleon--Green Acid (Strange Daze '97 comp) 4.Subarachnoid Space--Flicker (Ether Or) 5.Mushroom--The Magic of Michael (Analog Hi-fi Surprise) 6.Daevid Allen's University of Errors--Professor Improbable's Preambule (Money Doesn't Make It) 7.Quarkspace--Where Galaxies Collide (Hidden Moon) 8.Amanita--Dance #1 (The Third Ear) 9.The Glands of External Secretion--Hallucinatory Companion (Nosejob?) 10.Orb--Majestic (UFOrb) 11.Tago Mago--? (Prelude for Afternoon) 12.Escapade--Undermine (Citrus Cloud Cover) 13.Gong--6/8 Tune (Live Etc) 14.Man (UK)--Sudden Life (Revelation) 15.Amon Duul II--Hawknose Harlequin (Carnival in Babylon) 16.Hawkwind--Angels of Death (Sonic Attack) 17.Green Light--L7 (Amberdelic Space vol. II comp) 18.The Brain--Access and Amplify (Access and Amplify) 19.Spacious Mind--Time Recircle (Organic Mind Solution) 20.Zero Gravity--NRG (Space Does Not Care) 21.Dilate--Uduism (Cyclos) Thanks, Chuck From riordan at AUSTIN.RR.COM Tue Dec 28 23:47:30 1999 From: riordan at AUSTIN.RR.COM (Phillip A Jaeger) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:47:30 -0600 Subject: OFF: Band Names Message-ID: "Hall, Russell J" wrote: > Yes, indeed-e > > Lord Bendover, Duc d'Istortion, Count Bassie, & Jackie Kickassis > singing songs like > Little Rickshaw Boy > Hifalutin' > Long Table for Two > 20 Paces > Bleed Me > Rabble Rouser > Vulgar Tongue > Old Money > and (of course) > I've Got My Ascot and My Dickie > so, is Rabble Rouser their own or a cover of the old Sweet tune? From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Wed Dec 29 01:17:07 1999 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:17:07 -0700 Subject: hello???? Message-ID: Is anybody out there? I haven't received any list messages since Christmas!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: Anybody out there? theo From cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET Wed Dec 29 11:30:57 1999 From: cableshoppe at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 11:30:57 -0500 Subject: A little poetry for the holiday... In-Reply-To: <38622477.3C899FA0@mitre.org> Message-ID: That was great! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ This is something I did up last year - it's a bit weak in spots, but I like other parts, so I submit it here for your Holiday enjoyment. Happy Holidays to you all!! John 'Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the house Not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse; The stockings were hung by the chimney with care, In hopes that Blue Oyster Cult soon would be there; The children were nestled all snug in their beds, While visions of guitars danced in their heads; And Suzy in leather, and I with some beer, Had just settled down for some late-evening cheer, When out on the lawn there arose such a noise, I sprang from the bed to see if it was the Oyster Boys. Away to the window I flew like a flash, Taking care not to hit Suzy - my arm's in a cast. The Harvest moon shining on the snow in the night evoked memories of mirror-balls lit by laser light. When, what to my wondering eyes should I spy, But a space ship that looked like a wheel in the sky. It flew to my house, skimming over the trees; I got to my feet, then fell to my knees. A door opened wide and a voice did exhult, "Here they come - from New York City - the amazing BLUE OYSTER CULT!!" And then, in a twinkling, they opened my door and Danny Miranda stood on the floor. He carried a sack the size of a gorilla. Then he pulled out his bass, and played the riff to "Godzilla". Then through the door came Bobby Rondinelli. He shook, when he laughed like a bowl full of jelly. With cigarette dangling from his lower lip, Allen Lanier next arrived from the ship. Their sound shook the house from the earth to the skies, I thought it would melt both my ears and my eyes. But as we all delighted in the sound, we all knew that soon we'd be greeted by the other two... Not removing his shades as he entered the room, in came the figure of one Eric Bloom. And pulling a knife from out of the sack, looked at Suzy saying "I'd like to see you in black". A lift of his shades and a wink from one peeper, Soon gave me to know I should not fear the Reaper; He spoke not a word, but gave me no alarm, carving "Good Health to You" upon the cast on my arm. Buck Dharma arrived next on the scene without fail. With guitar in hand, he proceeded to wail. With the band now complete, and with all in position, the sound dominated us, and we fell to submission. The music engulfed us, as we knew it would. We were damaged, and we liked it, and we all understood. They left much too soon, but after this rocking they left "Heaven Forbid" and "Flat Out" in our stockings. They left in their ship, and as it flew overhead three men in black appeared - "Don't Report This", they said. But I heard them exclaim, as they flew out of view, "HAPPY CHRISTMAS TO ALL, AND THE JOKE'S . . . ON YOU!!!" From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Dec 29 11:47:01 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:47:01 +0000 Subject: HW: 99 Tour Boot on sale In-Reply-To: <199912241058.MAA23090@ds9.sci.fi>; from Miikka Wagner on Fri, Dec 24, 1999 at 12:58:31PM +0200 Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 24, 1999 at 12:58:31PM +0200, Miikka Wagner wrote: > > > sighted the day before yesterday in Cambridge, a boot > >of the Milton Keynes gig from the recent tour - fast work! It seemed to > >have an accurate track-list and reasonable packaging, but it was ?25 and > >a boot so I didn't get it. In fact, I'm quite frightened that it exists > >already. Thank heavens _real_ albums take longer to come out... Yours, > > Is this CD-R or what? Couldn't tell you, I'm afraid, the dealer didn't have the disks in the cases and I was in a hurry so I didn't stop to ask... Yours, Jon From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Wed Dec 29 13:01:05 1999 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:01:05 +0100 Subject: HW: =?iso-8859-1?q?Moorcock=B4s?= birthday Message-ID: Just got in a large paperback book from the Nomad of the Time Streams, 122 pages, a special issue of the Time Centre Times celebrating Mike?s 60th birthday. It features a lot of congratulations from various more or less famous SF/Fantasy authors like Aldiss, Spinrad and Tad Williams + some personal notes from not so famous musicians as Dave Brock, Nik Turner and Lemmy. Dave wrote the following: "In case of Michael Moorcock in your area, Do not panic, Follow these rules. It is imperative to bring all bodies to ... (stop that!) Happy Birthday from Dave Brock, Kris and all of the Hawkwind Family." Also featured are writings by Pete Pavli, Brian Tawn, Eric Bloom, Mike Butterworth and lots of others, incl. rare photos and some real good drawings. A pretty nice item to have. You can get it from: John & Maureen Davey 21, Honor Oak Road, Honor Oak, London, SE23 3SH e-mail: JaydeDesign at compuserve.com ?By the way, Mike?s birthday was on Dec. 18th! Andreas From timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Dec 29 15:15:00 1999 From: timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Tim Stephenson) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 20:15:00 -0000 Subject: OFF/Hunger Site Message-ID: thanks for bringing this to my attention, seems pretty neat. Have set it to be my homepage T From lwitt1 at USWEST.NET Wed Dec 29 20:48:01 1999 From: lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:48:01 -0600 Subject: HW:tree Message-ID: I am now ready to accept responses from people who are intrerested in the tree for the Milton Keynes show. Please send me a PRIVATE email indicating your interest. Also let me know if you can burn cdrs, if you can burn cdrs let me know if you can do perfect dae and burn 80 min cdrs if neccessary. I will accept email regarding tree interest from now (12/29/99) until 01/06/2000. I will formulate a tree out of the interested people and post a structure when complete. From RMayo19761 at AOL.COM Wed Dec 29 21:13:32 1999 From: RMayo19761 at AOL.COM (Robert C. Mayo) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:13:32 EST Subject: BOC: From the Hardradio web page http://www.hardradio.com/ Message-ID: 'twas indeed buck's boogie, resurfacing recently on wott. hope this thing comes out, at least so we'll have something new (yanowatimean) to discuss on the boc side besides corporate re-hash... see ya upstairs after the rapture, rmayo From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Wed Dec 29 23:08:52 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 04:08:52 +0000 Subject: BOC: Who's beating the drums? Message-ID: > This just in: > > >>>Drummer Chuck Bonfante is out, Bobby Rondinelli is in > in SIGNS OF LIFE. The band is said to be a mix of > Zebra, Journey, Touch and Kansas. Is this a sign of things to come? Part of me hopes not. But another part thinks it might be interesting to see what happens if the band splinters and everyone goes their own creative way. But before that happens, I still want the 2000 studio album!!! -- Nick From mvdbase at YAHOO.COM Thu Dec 30 05:00:42 1999 From: mvdbase at YAHOO.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 05:00:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: Joey Cerisano Message-ID: Well, I got Trans-Siberian Orchestra's "The Christmas Attic" for Christmas and boy was I surprised to see Cerisano's name on there. He sang "The siege and investiture of Baron von Frankenstein's castle at Weisseria" - my favorite song from Imaginos. I haven't figured out which track(s) he sings on yet on the TSO album, though (anyone knows ?) - only listened to the album once so far... So out of pure curiosity, I did a search on CD Now. Turns out Cerisano also put out a solo album recently, apparently (Sep. 99), called "Carbon copy". I'm considering buying it, but they have NO info on there about it, though, oddly enough (not even a track list !)... Does anyone on here have it ? is it any good ? I would hope so, with a voice like his :-) Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF - http://www.noosfere.com/ (in French) - http://www.noosfere.com/icarus/homepage.htm (in English) Music videos : members.xoom.com/agarc/mvdb/ My Web HQ : members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Dec 30 04:11:49 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 09:11:49 +0000 Subject: BOC: Who's beating the drums? Message-ID: > > This just in: > > > > >>>Drummer Chuck Bonfante is out, Bobby Rondinelli is in > > in SIGNS OF LIFE. The band is said to be a mix of > > Zebra, Journey, Touch and Kansas. Just another note, and not meant to be a knock on Mr. Rondinelli -- But should it be considered an upward move going from one band with limited commercial viability to a new band that blends the styles of four of them? -- Nick From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Dec 30 08:50:05 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 09:50:05 EDT Subject: BOC: Who's beating the drums? In-Reply-To: <199912301406.JAA20638@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: On 30 Dec 99, at 9:11, Nick English wrote: > > > This just in: > > > > > > >>>Drummer Chuck Bonfante is out, Bobby Rondinelli is in > > > in SIGNS OF LIFE. The band is said to be a mix of > > > Zebra, Journey, Touch and Kansas. > > > Just another note, and not meant to be a knock on Mr. Rondinelli -- > But should it be considered an upward move going from one band with > limited commercial viability to a new band that blends the styles of > four of them? > Howls! And even though we poke fun at BOC's topsy-turvy career, they have to be making a lot more money than SoL. Does SoL have a record contract? Maybe BR figures there's more of a future in SoL? So who's to replace Bobby? John Micelli maybe? I've heard him pound for BOC a couple times, and he's really good. Personally, I thought he sounded more like Albert than Bobby. But anyway, best wishes for BR--he's a hell of a drummer... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Dec 30 09:10:59 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 10:10:59 EDT Subject: a holiday treat In-Reply-To: <199912301450.JAA08241@syr.edu> Message-ID: Thought I'd share a bit of holiday cheer: http://www.westword.com/1996/112896/music2.html From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Dec 30 06:06:15 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:06:15 +0000 Subject: BOC: Who's beating the drums? Message-ID: > So who's to replace Bobby? John Micelli maybe? I've heard him > pound for BOC a couple times, and he's really good. Personally, I > thought he sounded more like Albert than Bobby. But anyway, best > wishes for BR--he's a hell of a drummer... > > theo I'm pulling for John O'Reilly (or is it just plain Reilly?). He is a close friend of a former co-worker of mine, and when he's beatin' the kit for BOC, I get in free!!! -- Nick From dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET Thu Dec 30 12:32:26 1999 From: dhuggins at HYPERNOVA.NET (dhuggins) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:32:26 -0500 Subject: HW:Theremin In-Reply-To: <386AB9D1.A280AA9D@uswest.net> Message-ID: Hawkwinders, I always wondered how Hawkwind got that eerie, spacey sound during the Space Ritual Tour and associated era. The albums either listed "electronics" or "audio generator" as being played by Del or Dikmik. According to this source, it was a "Theremin", which has an interesting story all it's own. (It is a 20's era invention, and not a vitamin or dietary supplement;). I did see Del with his axe-thingy on Nik Turner's Space Ritual tour (94-ish?), so this makes sense. http://www.nashville.net/~theremin/TBandsAM.html#H is the specific reference to their use of this interesting instrument. Other sites: http://www.nashville.net/~theremin/ (actually the theremin homepage for the band reference) http://www.he.net/~enternet/teci/teci.html Also, I had always wondered what happened to Bob Moog (yes, designer and builder of THE Moog(s)). He is making, amongst other things, THEREMINS. His company is Big Briar, based in North Carolina USA. http://www.bigbriar.com/etherwaveproducts.htm Enjoy, Happy Holidays Dave From filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE Thu Dec 30 14:10:37 1999 From: filip.vanhuyse at YUCOM.BE (Filip Vanhuyse) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 20:10:37 +0100 Subject: HW:Just to say hello from Filip Hawknut from Gent Belgium Message-ID: Hello all BOC-listers, Want to hello as I'm finally on the list too.Specially to Bernhard Pospiech,Henrik Hallgren etc.,as I know already some of you but had hidden e-mail adresses,you know who you are. I'm already watching you girls & guys from some 2 years on the Internet through my public library,but wasn't allowed to e-mail there.So I did it through the archives. Are there any of you who know Belgium guys ?? I'm a completist like Andrew Dawson,so any of you who has any stuff to sell or more likely to swapp,I'm more than interested. Happy New Millenium Filip Hawknut -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Dec 30 13:29:47 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 14:29:47 EDT Subject: HW:Just to say hello from Filip Hawknut from Gent Belgium In-Reply-To: <000c01bf52f9$8f1f7100$60a408d4@d8o7x0> Message-ID: On 30 Dec 99, at 20:10, Filip Vanhuyse wrote: > > Are there any of you who know Belgium guys ?? > I know lots of Belgians, but I doubt any of 'em are BOC/HW fans! My wife's of Belgian ancestry and I get over to your fine country every couple of years or so. Of course she's a Walloon, so most of my travels aren't in Flandres... > I'm a completist like Andrew Dawson,so any of you who has any stuff to > sell or more likely to swapp,I'm more than interested. > Hey I thought he had a great season for the Cubs, back in the 80s... > Happy New Millenium > > Filip Hawknut Same to you! theo From timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Dec 30 13:46:24 1999 From: timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Tim Stephenson) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 18:46:24 -0000 Subject: HW:Theremin Message-ID: Not sure if its to the taste of HW fans in the main, but the Flaming Lips use a Theremin a lot, especially on their latest album Soft Bulletin. I got to find out about this band through the Porcupine Tree group, and a lot of people on that group now like them. tata Tim np - Jack Teagarden & his orchestra (uncle's unwanted xmas pressie - picked up five excellent 'big band' CDs!) From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Dec 30 14:51:35 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 11:51:35 -0800 Subject: HW:Theremin Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:32:26 -0500, dhuggins wrote: > I always wondered how Hawkwind got that eerie, spacey sound during the >Space Ritual Tour and associated era. The albums either listed >"electronics" or "audio generator" as being played by Del or Dikmik. An "audio generator" generally refers to a piece of electronic test equipment that (surprise!) generates signals in the audio (approximately 20Hz to 20,000Hz=20kHz) frequency range (as opposed to RF radio frequency signals which are considerably higher, in the 100kHz to 100MHz range - above that, you're talking microwave frequencies). It also might be called a "test tone generator". As I understand, Dik Mik was a TV/radio repairman before hooking up w/Brock & co., so he merely ran his test equipment through a WEM tape delay (British equivalent of the Echoplex), for extra spaciness, into Hawkwind's big amps. Del Dettmar, however, played an actual synthesizer, the EMS VCS3 Synthi (as used by Brian Eno, Tim Blake [a pair can be seen behind him in the back cover photo of 'Live 79'], and visible in the 'Dark Side of the Moon' studio segments in Pink Floyd's 'Live at Pompeii' movie; easily recognizable by it's "battleship"[the game]-style patch panel ... more recently used at Strange Daze performances by F/i's Grant Richter and Doug "Dr. Synth" Walker of Alien Planetscapes). Del's first one blew out when Hawkwind embarked on their first German tour without the correct voltage adaptors (oops!), but he still uses the replacement unit to this day. For the Nik Turner tours, he strung his axe with a guitar or piano string, attached a pickup/transducer, ran the output of that through a pitch->voltage converter and envelope follower, which in turn controlled his Synthi. Very good for creating semi-random blips, bloops, squiggles, and other weird electronic noises (which the Synthi excels at - it's not that great for playing melodies, and many users don't even bother with a keyboard). >According to this source, it was a "Theremin", which has an interesting >story all it's own. (It is a 20's era invention, and not a vitamin or >dietary supplement;). I did see Del with his axe-thingy on Nik Turner's >Space Ritual tour (94-ish?), so this makes sense. The source is inaccurate, then. Hawkwind never used a Theremin, although much of Dik Mik's audio generator playing does sound a lot like one. The only real difference is the user interface - an audio generator changes pitch when its' control knob is turned, wheras a Theremin changes pitch when the user moves his or her hand relative to the pitch control antenna. (And here's another bit of trivia - the instrument in "Good Vibrations" is not a Theremin, either, although it's also very similar to one.) FWIW, I've used a Precision Electronics (I think that's the make) LT1125 & 3mS/Soundshimmer Triwave Picogenerator for audio generator stuff, and a PAiA Theremax (Theremin available in kit form that's great for spacey stuff and nicely controls analog synths, but isn't really made for playing notes and melodies). I've given up on trying to find a VCS3 - too expensive, and there are plenty of good *new* (modular) analog synths (including the Wiard modular made by the aforementioned mr. Richter) out there these days. Thanks for the resources ... cool stuff! -Doug ceres at sirius.com From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Thu Dec 30 14:54:41 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 20:54:41 +0100 Subject: HW:Just to say hello from Filip Hawknut from Gent Belgium In-Reply-To: <000c01bf52f9$8f1f7100$60a408d4@d8o7x0> Message-ID: Hello Filip At 20:10 30.12.1999 +0100, you wrote: >Want to hello as I'm finally on the list too.Specially to >Bernhard Pospiech,Henrik Hallgren etc.,as I know already some of >you but had hidden e-mail adresses,you know who you are. Welcome to the LIST !!! Bernhard From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Dec 30 13:59:54 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 14:59:54 EDT Subject: HW:Theremin In-Reply-To: <000201bf52fe$f137ccc0$6b5f883e@timsteph> Message-ID: On 30 Dec 99, at 18:46, Tim Stephenson wrote: > Not sure if its to the taste of HW fans in the main, but the Flaming > Lips use a Theremin a lot, especially on their latest album Soft > Bulletin. I got to find out about this band through the Porcupine > Tree group, and a lot of people on that group now like them. > Ronnie Montrose has dabbled with a theremin as well, as has, I think, Jimmy Page... theo From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Dec 30 16:09:05 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 16:09:05 EST Subject: HW:Theremin Message-ID: could it be? could it be that we're half a dozen posts into this thread and NO ONE has mentioned the beach boys' "good vibrations"? until now? "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Dec 30 16:28:22 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 16:28:22 EST Subject: HW:Theremin Message-ID: In a message dated 12/30/99 4:10:24 PM, DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: << could it be? could it be that we're half a dozen posts into this thread and NO ONE has mentioned the beach boys' "good vibrations"? until now? ====================== >> no, it couldnt be... mr pearson had mentioned it in his post. who do you think you are, anyway? you'd best be comin' clean or not at all. "" From lwitt1 at USWEST.NET Thu Dec 30 17:16:33 1999 From: lwitt1 at USWEST.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 16:16:33 -0600 Subject: off: mp3's Message-ID: I put up some new mp3s at: http://www.freediskspace.com/Folders/107738/ shared folder password is the same as before (borntogo) track2 = Nik Turner Master of the Universe from Strange Daze 99 track7 = Skye Klad Mother Sky (Can cover) features a theremin! both files are pretty big, probably should have at least a dsl to download. From StevenTice at AOL.COM Thu Dec 30 17:36:58 1999 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:36:58 EST Subject: BOC/HW:Theremin Message-ID: In a message dated 12/30/99 3:00:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: << Ronnie Montrose has dabbled with a theremin as well, as has, I think, Jimmy Page... >> And our own Albert Bouchard, on the Box of Hammers album by the Brain Surgeons. :-) Even Bela Fleck played one on one track on the most recent Flecktones album. SET From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Fri Dec 31 05:12:20 1999 From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:12:20 +0100 Subject: theremins Message-ID: for the very best list on "who used a theremin", go to this url: http://www.Nashville.Net/~theremin/ ...for playing: personally i really recommend BigBriar's http://www.bigbriar.com/ "etherwave" theremin - very nice to play on (not just making noises :) ...beautiful sound... oh, and a request: does anybody here have pictures of theremins being used live with hawkwind...? happy new YEAR! ketil svendsen, norway >Re: BOC/HW:Theremin >Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:36:58 EST >From: Steven Tice >In a message dated 12/30/99 3:00:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, >tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: << Ronnie Montrose has dabbled with a theremin as well, as has, I think, Jimmy Page... >> >And our own Albert Bouchard, on the Box of Hammers album by the Brain >Surgeons. :-) Even Bela Fleck played one on one track on the most recent >Flecktones album. From ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO Fri Dec 31 05:15:05 1999 From: ketil.svendsen at FISKAREN.NHST.NO (Ketil Svendsen) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:15:05 +0100 Subject: theremins #2 Message-ID: oh, i'm feeling silly now :-) didn't notice the same links i posted had been posted earlier.... :-( anyway, have a nice celebration of the new year! ketil From andygilham at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Dec 31 06:21:40 1999 From: andygilham at HOTMAIL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 03:21:40 PST Subject: OFF: Postcard from Morooco Message-ID: Well, here I am in Marrakech, Morocco, and there's internet cafes everywhere! The only problem is the French layout keyboard. Anyway I see that the millennial Beatle-slaying cult is off to a poor start. But since this will probably have to be delivered to most of you by Kevin Costner on horseback, then it'll all be over by the time you read this. They do a nice roasted sheep's head in the marketplace here, by the way. Happy millennium! -- Andy ObHolidayReading: Mick Farren - _Jim Morrison's Adventures in the Afterlife_ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Dec 31 09:18:44 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 09:18:44 EST Subject: OFF: just another day in the year 5760... Message-ID: greetings... i got this computer last xmas and joined BOC-L a few weeks after that. and oh, what a year it's been. definitely an adventure on my part, not being particularly social in the flesh, much less on the screen. some good times some bloody awful times with the former out-weighing the latter, as far as i can tell. so anyhoo, sincere thanx to the half-dozen or so people i've met here and could refer to as something resembling "friends" (i hope you know who you are) and regrets to the smaller number who at one moment or another were more like 'unfriends', tho if anyone still feels that way, it's not for my lack of trying to make the situation better....is it? so, at least for those living within the xian interpretation of time, i say: domo arigato, minna! see y'all next year! larry boyd DAS LUDICROIX "<>" From micci at SCI.FI Fri Dec 31 12:47:56 1999 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 19:47:56 +0200 Subject: HW:Just to say hello from Filip Hawknut from Gent Belgium Message-ID: You?re welcome, welcome, welcome... >Hello all BOC-listers, > >Want to hello as I'm finally on the list too.Specially to Bernhard Pospiech,Henrik Hallgren etc.,as I know already >some of you but had hidden e-mail adresses,you know who you are. > >I'm already watching you girls & guys from some 2 years on the Internet through my public library,but wasn't >allowed to e-mail there.So I did it through the archives. > >Are there any of you who know Belgium guys ?? > >I'm a completist like Andrew Dawson,so any of you who has any stuff to sell or more likely to swapp,I'm more >than interested. > >Happy New Millenium > >Filip Hawknut Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Dec 31 14:20:29 1999 From: dave at PARMA29.FREESERVE.CO.UK (david hall) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 19:20:29 -0000 Subject: Year 2000 here we come Message-ID: Greetings one and all. 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I will formulate a tree out of the >interested people and post a structure when complete. > From vincentr at COGNOS.COM Fri Dec 31 17:15:30 1999 From: vincentr at COGNOS.COM (Rob Vincent) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 17:15:30 -0500 Subject: Year 2000 here we come In-Reply-To: <007901bf53c4$7b0b5960$b31e883e@default> Message-ID: On Fri, 31 Dec 1999, david hall wrote: > Greetings one and all. > > Dave > > (Am I the only one that's working tonight?) > Just checked in myself, Dave. Working the coveted 17:00 to 02;00 shift :) Happy new year, friends. Rainmaker Elijah Snow : It's a strange world Jakita Wagner : Let's keep it that way Planetary #1 From timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Dec 31 14:49:56 1999 From: timnjaq at TSTEPHENSON.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Tim Stephenson) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 19:49:56 -0000 Subject: Year 2000 here we come Message-ID: >Greetings one and all. >Dave >(Am I the only one that's working tonight?) and festive wotsits to you - and yes, looks like it! 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