From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Thu Apr 1 00:00:14 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Gekke Henkie) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 07:00:14 +0200 Subject: HW: MOORCOCK CALENDERS!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On 31 Mar 99, at 20:39, Chuck Rosenberg wrote: > But anyway, I have 6 in all, and 5 extras. The extras are wrapped, but > seem to be the store's own wrapping. Still, they all seem in near-mint > condition. I paid $5 apiece for them. That's cheap, were they on sale ore something? > > Question #1: Are these C/Kollector's items? Don't know. I don't kollect Moorcock.. > Question #2: If the answer to the above question is "yes", do I try to get > top dollar for them or do I just give 'em to you all for what I paid for > 'em???? :) You could list one on Ebay to see what it is doing, ore be a nice guy and give them away cheap. But I do notKollect Moorcock, so I'm not interested. --BArt From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Thu Apr 1 00:01:02 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Gekke Henkie) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 07:01:02 +0200 Subject: remove me In-Reply-To: <9c60d797.3702d826@aol.com> Message-ID: On 31 Mar 99, at 21:21, Jeremy McGonnell wrote: > remove me Do it youself!! --BArt From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 1 04:27:22 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:27:22 +0100 Subject: HW: the original "Death Trap" In-Reply-To: Doug Pearson's message of Wed, 31 Mar 1999 13:05:34 -0800 Message-ID: Doug Pearson writes: > Perhaps a stupid question ... but is the original studio version of "Death > Trap" (not the Sonic Assassins version, not the Hawklords live version, not > the Ron Tree version, and certainly not the 'Do Not Panic' version) > available on *any* currently in-print CD (or even one of the out-of-print > Griffin CD's that are still easy to come by)? I'm still trying to figure If you mean version 2 (see below) then, yes, it should be available on the PXR5 album. Or is there another version you had in mind? {behind this innocuous question please read: "I hope we've got the codex right!) jill >From the Codex: Death Trap L 1 Weird 101 - Sonic Assasins/ Dave Brock L 1 Sonic Assassins 12" EP L 1 Victoria double album L 1 Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-1985 2 PXR5 2 Psi Power/ Deathtrap 7" L 3 Weird 104 - Hawklords/Hawkwind Live 1978 L 3 a The Hawklords Live L 4 This is Hawkwind - Do Not Panic L 4 Zones/Stonehenge CD 5 Area S4 EP 5 Alien4 L 6 The A Files [Bootleg CD] L 7 Theta Orionis [bootleg CD] L 8 Love In Space * 3 and 3a are from the same tour ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 1 04:30:12 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:30:12 +0100 Subject: HW: MOORCOCK CALENDERS!! In-Reply-To: Chuck Rosenberg's message of Wed, 31 Mar 1999 20:39:43 EST Message-ID: Chuck Rosenberg writes: > I was at a record shop in Laguna Beach yesterday and found no worthy records > or CDs, but I did find _SIX_ rather large calenders, entitled "Michael > Moorcock's Wizardry & Wild Romance", illustrated by Rodney Matthews, for the > year 1978. > > All are wrapped except one, which is the one from which I gleaned the > following: > > Well, it's a calender, w/each month having a large illustration of an EC > scene, and below that an accompanying paragraph by Mike. The last page has a > Moorcock Bibliography, including his work w/HW and music. > > I think the artwork is a little cheesy, at least compared to the Whelans. > > But anyway, I have 6 in all, and 5 extras. The extras are wrapped, but seem to > be the store's own wrapping. Still, they all seem in near-mint condition. I > paid $5 apiece for them. > > Question #1: Are these C/Kollector's items? > Question #2: If the answer to the above question is "yes", do I try to get top > dollar for them or do I just give 'em to you all for what I paid for 'em???? > :) mmmm - they sound nice but then I'm just a Hawkwind Kollector so what do I know! I'll give you a reasonable price for one or trade it for a CD. Which would you prefer? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Apr 1 04:46:20 1999 From: COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Here comes the breakdown) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:46:20 +0100 Subject: HW: MOORCOCK CALENDERS!! Message-ID: Sorry I ain't no expert on Moorcock stuff but I do have most of his novels including all his eternal champion stuff(elric, jerry corneilius, corum, hawkmoon, eubec, etc etc) If you do decide to sell them let us know as i will probably be interested. cheers colm "My ass may be dumb but I ain't no dumbass" -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Rosenberg To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 01 April 1999 04:12 Subject: HW: MOORCOCK CALENDERS!! >I was at a record shop in Laguna Beach yesterday and found no worthy records >or CDs, but I did find _SIX_ rather large calenders, entitled "Michael >Moorcock's Wizardry & Wild Romance", illustrated by Rodney Matthews, for the >year 1978. > >All are wrapped except one, which is the one from which I gleaned the >following: > >Well, it's a calender, w/each month having a large illustration of an EC >scene, and below that an accompanying paragraph by Mike. The last page has a >Moorcock Bibliography, including his work w/HW and music. > >I think the artwork is a little cheesy, at least compared to the Whelans. > >But anyway, I have 6 in all, and 5 extras. The extras are wrapped, but seem to >be the store's own wrapping. Still, they all seem in near-mint condition. I >paid $5 apiece for them. > >Question #1: Are these C/Kollector's items? >Question #2: If the answer to the above question is "yes", do I try to get top >dollar for them or do I just give 'em to you all for what I paid for 'em???? >:) > >Chuck > From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 1 05:26:49 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:26:49 +0100 Subject: remove me Message-ID: On tor 1 apr 1999 04.32 +0100 andrew wrote: > At 21:21 31/03/99 -0500, you wrote: >>remove me > > was this the follow up to 'Adjust Me'? I think it was one of the tracks that got left off of _Caution_ ... Cheers, Carl (who, on this day, awaits to be taken in by another of Andy's posts about HawkFan Spice Girls ;) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Apr 1 05:48:35 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:48:35 +0100 Subject: remove me In-Reply-To: <103593.3131954809@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > Carl (who, on this day, awaits to be taken in by another of Andy's > posts about HawkFan Spice Girls ;) I expected last year that people would think my perfectly true post about listening to _Heaven Fordbid_ before dashing off to catch a plane to Tehran was a joke... It's a good thing Posh and Beckham were in Brooklyn and not Queens, that's all I've got to say about the Girls right now... - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Thu Apr 1 06:52:44 1999 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:52:44 +1000 Subject: HW: Caution? Message-ID: On 31 Mar 99, at 8:11, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > (http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/Caution/) at the fine print > > ("Another fine product by Sonique's Fictitious Records").... > > Aw, spoilsport! ;) People were just warming to the theme! I agree! And besides ... are you all *sure* that it doesn't exist? (evil laughter from afar ...) Soniqu? NP: Brainstorm _Tales of the Future_ -- PO Box 378 Paul Ward Ashburton http://sonique.net VIC 3147 (time permitting) Mob:0418 524744 sonique at sonique.net From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Apr 1 06:36:35 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 07:36:35 EDT Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: andrew > >Sorry to be nit-picky, but ... Vox Phantoms are guitars/basses (the ones > >with the bizarre semi-trapezoidal shape, not the teardrop shape), not > >organs. The Vox organ models are the Continental (deluxe, 2-tier keyboard) > >and the Jaguar (budget, 1-tier keyboard, not to be confused with the Fender > >Jaguar guitar). And, having played both kind of keyboards extensively (I > Wasn't the Phantom the one that was shaped sort of like a coffin? Didn't Brian Jones or Keef play one back in the days? Voxes are pretty neat guitars. Made in Italy weren't they? > As the mighty Homer has been known to say, "D'oh!" Yeah, i was typing > Phantom and meaning Jaguar (u-huh, just ask Dr Freud about my big cat/ghost > mix-ups). But what i would really like to know is what manner of a geetar > is a Starstreamer? On Spacemen 3/solo stuff Sonic Boom is always listed as > playing one but i've never seen one of the buggers. > > andrew Thought I knew my guitars, but I've never even heard of that one. Maybe it's fictional, a la Bloom's Stun Guitar? BTW, I had a friend who, when we were kids, read the liner notes to a Johnny Winter album, and thought that Johnny played a guitar made out of steel, because JW was credited as playing 'steel guitar!' I swear I'm not making this up! theo From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Thu Apr 1 08:09:05 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Gekke Henkie) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:09:05 +0200 Subject: HW: Caution? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Op 1 Apr 99, om 21:52, Soniqu? schreef: > I agree! And besides ... are you all *sure* that it doesn't exist? With Caution I look around, all I see is evil, all i hear is a distant voice telling me to beleive what i see and to hear what I want... Danger is lurking... Caution filled my dreams... It's hard to concentrate... --BArt _trying to recover from the evil laughter_ From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Apr 1 10:34:42 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:34:42 EST Subject: remove me Message-ID: WILD THING I THINK YOU REMOVE ME SO C'MON AND HOLD ME TIGHT.... ....YOU REMOVE ME From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Thu Apr 1 10:41:20 1999 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:41:20 -0500 Subject: King Crimson Message-ID: >From: Dawa >duh... the album is not called "The Essential King Crimson" Just >checked CD now and it's called "The Compact King Crimson" and it is on >CD. I was confused when I first bought the CD version of _The Compact King Crimson_ because the booklet showed the covers of six King Crimson albums, but the songs included were only from four of the six pictured albums. Finally I saw the double LP vinyl release which did include songs from all six pictured albums. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Apr 1 10:57:36 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:57:36 +0100 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: <102E81932B7@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: >> mix-ups). But what i would really like to know is what manner of a geetar >> is a Starstreamer? On Spacemen 3/solo stuff Sonic Boom is always listed as >> playing one but i've never seen one of the buggers. >Thought I knew my guitars, but I've never even heard of that one. >Maybe it's fictional, a la Bloom's Stun Guitar? I kind of suspected it for a while but then saw other vague, allusive, references to one. I don't know about anyone else but just the phrase 'Vox Starstreamer' makes me feel good. Or perhaps that's just me being a bit spoddy. cheers andrew From iscladoc at IDIR.NET Thu Apr 1 11:26:00 1999 From: iscladoc at IDIR.NET (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:26:00 -0600 Subject: HW: MOORCOCK CALENDERS!! In-Reply-To: <009f01be7c26$f2dfb060$6139883e@Colm.bton.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Here comes the breakdown wrote: > If you do decide to sell them let us know as i will probably be interested. I'll second that one Chuck! Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. iscladoc at idir.net Entropy Engineer. Outer God. Visit the Dreaming City: http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr "When you're hiding 29 you know it ain't a crime to burn a little brighter now"--Marillion, "Torch Song" From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Apr 1 10:35:15 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:35:15 EDT Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> From: andrew > > >Thought I knew my guitars, but I've never even heard of that one. > >Maybe it's fictional, a la Bloom's Stun Guitar? > > I kind of suspected it for a while but then saw other vague, allusive, > references to one. I don't know about anyone else but just the phrase 'Vox > Starstreamer' makes me feel good. Or perhaps that's just me being a bit > spoddy. > Well, with my typically american ethnocentricity, I tend to fixate on US-made instruments, overlooking a bunch of great Euro-instruments like Framus, Vox, Burns, etc. Personally, I like the way 'Burns Starstreamer' trips off the tongue. Probably inspired by old photos of Hank Marvin playing a Burns in the old Guitar Player mags... Which Vox was the teardrop-shaped one? Was that the Domino? theo From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Apr 1 12:16:17 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:16:17 EST Subject: OFF: Loop? Message-ID: In a message dated 3/31/99 6:38:09 PM, flossbac at NLCI.COM writes: <> agreed on both counts...and much too mannered to stand up to any monster magnet, much less "tab"... "<>" lb From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Apr 1 12:11:19 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:11:19 EST Subject: OFF: GARRRUNNNGGGG!!! (GODFATHERS OF...) Message-ID: HAPPY APRIL FOOL'S DAY a few weeks back i had mentioned picking up this "cutout" tape at the mall to play in the car...since the thread is still around, i give to you... GODFATHERS OF GRUNGE (1994 risky business/sony music distribution) the cover features someone i believe is ted nugent, playing on his back in front of a wall of amps....now try to think of someone in a suit in a corporate office making the selections for this absurd compilation... SIDE ONE godzilla BOC d.o.a. (lp version) BLOODROCK in-a-gadda-da-vida (45 edit) IRON BUTTERFLY never in my life MOUNTAIN black betty (lp version) RAM JAM inside looking out (first live version) GRAND FUNK RAILROAD SIDE TWO the bomber (closet queen) JAMES GANG slowride (lp version) FOGHAT stranglehold TED NUGENT roll on down the highway BTO evil woman CROW (yeah, the one covered on the first uk sabbath lp) long neck goose DETROIT at first i thought maybe this was an excuse to lead off an lp w/"godzilla" so as to tie in w/the movie, but it predates the movie....to me this collection is too contemptible to even be considered a bad attempt at revisionist history; it's merely...WACK. but for 3 bucks it sounds okay in the car ^-~ "<>" larry b From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Thu Apr 1 12:29:00 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:29:00 -0500 Subject: BOC: Tour Dates Message-ID: Seems as thought BOC has added a few new dates including one in Rhode Island. Apr 30 Warwick RI - The Station. woo hoo! From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Apr 1 12:32:15 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:32:15 EST Subject: OFF: WAR, CHILDREN (it's just a click away) Message-ID: courtesy of the BOSTON GLOBE....the sites of the good guys/bad guys/journalists filing daily reports... kosovo liberation army the serbian government institute for war and peace and, again from yesterday: imagery/interviews to download radio b92fm belgrade "<>" PEACE (oh it's easily **^$$% said...) lb From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Apr 1 12:39:56 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:39:56 EST Subject: OFF:Fwd: Just sharing some of our "junk" publicity email re: Beefheart Message-ID: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Jsexbomb at aol.com Subject: Just sharing some of our "junk" publicity email re: Beefheart Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:23:19 EST Size: 1079 URL: From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Apr 1 12:58:03 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:58:03 EST Subject: Kaleidoscope Message-ID: In a message dated 3/31/99 7:08:38 PM, jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK writes: < writes >TD is my fave lp - each track >is a pstunner, although FB is also pretty spiffy too, and if anyone has >ever used as much phasing as their producer did on 'Music' I'd like to hear >it. >> i respectfully submit the album which is quite possibly the most phase- drenched record i ever heard...the effect was still a novelty at this point and it was absolutely WALLOWED IN, perhaps in an effort to appear hip/contemporary: "genuine imitation life gazette" THE FOUR SEASONS '68 would i kid y'all? "<>" larry b From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Apr 1 14:04:16 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 14:04:16 EST Subject: HW: MOORCOCK CALENDERS!! Message-ID: In a message dated 99-04-01 05:03:39 EST, you write: << Sorry I ain't no expert on Moorcock stuff but I do have most of his novels including all his eternal champion stuff(elric, jerry corneilius, corum, hawkmoon, eubec, etc etc) If you do decide to sell them let us know as i will probably be interested. cheers colm >> ----Whoops. Sorry about that; just sent a blank e-mail. Anyway, Colm--Jill had a pretty good idea w/trading. So if you have any CDs or vinyl to trade (HW, or related genres), let me know. Thanks, Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Apr 1 14:02:30 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 14:02:30 EST Subject: HW: MOORCOCK CALENDERS!! Message-ID: In a message dated 99-04-01 05:03:39 EST, you write: << Sorry I ain't no expert on Moorcock stuff but I do have most of his novels including all his eternal champion stuff(elric, jerry corneilius, corum, hawkmoon, eubec, etc etc) If you do decide to sell them let us know as i will probably be interested. cheers colm >> From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Apr 1 14:05:55 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 20:05:55 +0100 Subject: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate) In-Reply-To: <106E2E51E37@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: >Which Vox was the teardrop-shaped one? Was that the Domino? > i won't spoil the surprise as there's almost all the Vox info you could wish for at http://www.voxshowroom.com the equipment page is well worth a look with the V251 being my particular fave :) Actually on second thoughts the Voxmobile is pretty cool. And to be vaguely on-topic there's a bass there called The Hawk which has a built-in distortion control. Dial-a-go-go! Still no info on the Starstreamer except that there's a couple of people (in France and Korea) looking for the 12 string version. Erk! andrew From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Apr 1 14:16:19 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 14:16:19 EST Subject: HW: MOORCOCK CALENDERS!! Message-ID: In a message dated 99-04-01 11:29:47 EST, you write: << I'll second that one Chuck! Allan. >> Hey, stranger. Okay, you're next on the list for a trade (I'm looking especially for space-rock/psyche/electronic/ambient on CD, for my radio show). From chris_baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Thu Apr 1 13:46:23 1999 From: chris_baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:46:23 -0800 Subject: OFF: Loop? Message-ID: John wrote: >I have a Loop cd entitled "A Gilded Eternity" and to tell the truth I'm not > really all that interested in the band. To me, these guys always sounded > like they wanted really really bad to be My Bloody Valentine with some > Cocteau Twins thrown in.... I have to respectfully disagree. Loop is for me one of the coolest bands I've heard in the past 12 years, and rocks way more than MBV and Spacemen 3 (with whom they've also been compared), with more intense fuzz/wah-drenched guitar freakouts, a harder driving rhythm section and better melodies. I have the following: "Heaven's End" - Reactor/Elektra (1987) "Fade Out" - Rough Trade (1989) "A Guilded Eternity" - Beggars's Banquet (1990) "Wolf Flow" (Peel Sessions '87-'90) - Reactor/Revolver (1991) It is all uniformly excellent IMO. They seem to have split up in the early '90s, with the drummer and bass player joining forces in Hair and Skin Trading Co., and the other guy forming Main. Hair & Skin Trading Co. are brilliant. They put out the following: "Jo in Nine G Hell" - Beggar's Banquet (1993) "Over Valence" - Beggar's Banquet (1994) "Psychedlische Musique" - Freek (1995) The first two are amazing - just dripping psychedelia with a sinister edge and chills-inducing instrumentation. I hear shades of Killing Joke, but it's pretty unique. "Psychedlische Musique" is more experimental and amelodic, but still worth having. Main takes more of a white noise approach, along the lines of Flying Saucer Attack. Still, it makes great sonic wallpaper, so I've been accumulating. The best so far is "Hydra Calm", which also has really cool packaging. If any UK people know more (esp. about H&ST Co. - did they ever play live?), I'm curious... Chris From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Thu Apr 1 14:25:26 1999 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:25:26 -0700 Subject: HW: Caution? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > (http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/Caution/) at the > fine print > > > ("Another fine product by Sonique's Fictitious Records").... > > > > Aw, spoilsport! ;) People were just warming to the theme! > > I agree! And besides ... are you all *sure* that it doesn't exist? > > (evil laughter from afar ...) > > Soniqu? "Sure"? About anything? Especially where Hawkwind is concerned? I'm not quite so foolish as THAT! Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu From COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Apr 1 15:17:35 1999 From: COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Trance Trousers) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:17:35 +0100 Subject: HW: MOORCOCK CALENDERS!! Message-ID: God knows what i've got to trade what are you interested in or looking for at the moment? colm "My ass may be dumb but I ain't no dumbass" -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Rosenberg To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 01 April 1999 20:08 Subject: Re: HW: MOORCOCK CALENDERS!! >In a message dated 99-04-01 05:03:39 EST, you write: > ><< Sorry I ain't no expert on Moorcock stuff but I do have most of his novels > including all his eternal champion stuff(elric, jerry corneilius, corum, > hawkmoon, eubec, etc etc) > > If you do decide to sell them let us know as i will probably be interested. > > cheers > > colm > >> > > >----Whoops. Sorry about that; just sent a blank e-mail. >Anyway, Colm--Jill had a pretty good idea w/trading. So if you have any CDs or >vinyl to trade (HW, or related genres), let me know. Thanks, Chuck > From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Thu Apr 1 17:52:09 1999 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:52:09 -0600 Subject: OFF: Progrock webzine Message-ID: Well, it's ready. The first issue of Rock In Progress if finally up on the Web. For those interested in progressive rock, it can be found at the following URL : http://members.xoom.com/agarc/rip/ If you wish to contribute to future issues, you're welcome to ! Let me know. Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ Music videos : members.xoom.com/agarc/mvdb/ Progrock ezine : members.xoom.com/agarc/rip/ My Web HQ : members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ --------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Apr 1 12:26:11 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 18:26:11 +0100 Subject: OFF: Godspeed You Black Emperor! In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990330110756.00868100@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: In article <3.0.5.32.19990330110756.00868100 at pop.sirius.com>, Doug Pearson writes >Unfortunately, Skip >Spence's 'Oar' doesn't seem to be included (but you should get the CD >reissue with bonus tracks, anyway). Beck is among artists contributing to "Oar Revisited", a tribute album in the works at the moment. I was playing Skip to people last year, telling them I had some outakes from Radioheads "OK Computer". Never failed. PS Moby Grape have reformed. Yay! PPS My KAK album *is* on vinyl. -- Jon From MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Apr 2 04:35:49 1999 From: MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark P Lee) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:35:49 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 31 Mar 1999 to 1 Apr 1999 In-Reply-To: <199904011001.FAA23257@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: [ quoting Chuck ] > or CDs, but I did find _SIX_ rather large calenders, entitled "Michael > Moorcock's Wizardry & Wild Romance", illustrated by Rodney Matthews, for the > year 1978. > Well, it's a calender, w/each month having a large illustration of an EC > scene, and below that an accompanying paragraph by Mike. The last page has a > Moorcock Bibliography, including his work w/HW and music. > I think the artwork is a little cheesy, at least compared to the Whelans. > But anyway, I have 6 in all, and 5 extras. The extras are wrapped, but seem to > be the store's own wrapping. Still, they all seem in near-mint condition. I > paid $5 apiece for them. > Question #1: Are these C/Kollector's items? > Question #2: If the answer to the above question is "yes", do I try to get top > dollar for them or do I just give 'em to you all for what I paid for 'em???? [ off quote ] I would have thought eminently collectable at least, RM's work is still v/popular, got some of his stuff on/in Paper Tiger books. Don't know about collectors items tho ! Be interested to know if you find out as a friend is really into RM stuff and I know he hasn't got one of these. Cheers. Mark. From MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Apr 2 04:14:00 1999 From: MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark P Lee) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:14:00 +0100 Subject: OFF: Discovered during surf spree. In-Reply-To: <199904011001.FAA23257@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Apr 2 05:45:36 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:45:36 +0100 Subject: OFF: Godspeed You Black Emperor! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >PPS My KAK album *is* on vinyl. Yike! Is this the original or the reish? From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Apr 2 06:54:37 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:54:37 +0100 Subject: OFF: Godspeed You Black Emperor! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , andrew writes >>PPS My KAK album *is* on vinyl. > >Yike! Is this the original or the reish? Re-issue, natch! Whatever's cheapest is my guideline. I get all my stuff like this from the very wonderful http://www.greyhound-records.com from whom I buy about 10 records a week. I order about 20, and get about half my order. The stuff they do is most often very limited and you have to be quick to get anything at all. The new lists are posted on the site Tuesday afternoon. As I have a dealer account (largely for my own collection), drop me a message, I might be able to shave a couple of quid off the posted price. I'm so pleased with the stuff they find, they're brilliant. Just expect a 50% fill rate, that's all. -- Jon From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Apr 2 09:57:13 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:57:13 -0600 Subject: OFF:Twisted Covers Message-ID: For the twisted covers game I humbly submit ... Marvin Gaye's version of the National Anthem. Yep Marv took a most dreadful song and turned it into a mindblowing, soulful rendition of national pride. First trime I have ever heard someone cheer the song itself instead of saluting the final chords. Happy 60th Marvin. Ghost in the Ruins From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Apr 2 11:08:59 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 17:08:59 +0100 Subject: OFF: Godspeed You Black Emperor! In-Reply-To: <3jxCACA9$KB3Ewpr@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: >Re-issue, natch! Whatever's cheapest is my guideline. a finer philosophy one could not wish for :) >I get all my stuff like this from the very wonderful >http://www.greyhound-records.com justr had a look and this is indeed a very wonderful place; have you had a look at Metro music http://www.idsonline.com/business/metro/ ? Its pretty good for rare psych and stuff, if a little pricey (but then, that's par for the course with some of the stuff they've got) andrew, moving house and wondering how the ufck he accumulated so much bloody vinyl and bastard sf paperbacks. Two vicars are grappling, One pulls a Boston crab -The Fire Dept. From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Apr 2 13:52:29 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:52:29 -0800 Subject: OFF: VOX (was: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate)) Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Apr 1999 07:36:35 EDT, "Ted Jackson jr. s2h2" wrote: >> From: andrew > >> >Sorry to be nit-picky, but ... Vox Phantoms are guitars/basses ... >> >Wasn't the Phantom the one that was shaped sort of like a coffin? Yeah, that's a pretty good description of the shape. Sort of appropriate, since they're favored by 60s-style garage bands that frequently travel in old hearses! >Didn't Brian Jones or Keef play one back in the days? Brian Jones played a teardrop Vox from time to time, and there was actually a Bill Wyman signature bass model, a semi-hollow teardrop shape. Toody Cole of Dead Moon (one of the greatest Rock and Roll bands in America!) plays one. >Voxes are pretty neat guitars. Made in Italy weren't they? I think that most of the guitars were (at least some of them, back in the day). It's pretty confusing, since Vox made guitars, amps, and effect pedals, and the various items were manufactured (sometimes under license by different companies) in Italy, England and the US. And the new amplifier reissues (AC30, etc.) are manufactured by Korg, so those are presumably out of Japan. >> As the mighty Homer has been known to say, "D'oh!" Yeah, i was typing >> Phantom and meaning Jaguar (u-huh, just ask Dr Freud about my big cat/ghost >> mix-ups). I've certainly made similar mistakes ... >> But what i would really like to know is what manner of a geetar >> is a Starstreamer? On Spacemen 3/solo stuff Sonic Boom is always listed as >> playing one but i've never seen one of the buggers. I've never actually seen a Starstreamer "in the flesh", but there's a blurry picture of Sonic playing his on the first Spectrum album. It's another teardrop-shaped Vox (they made numerous models using that body shape), and I believe that it was part of the 60s trend (several Teisco guitar models also did this) of including effects built into the instrument itself. If that's true, I would bet that the tremelo on Sonic's guitar (think "Honey" from 'Playing With Fire') is from the built-in effect. Of course, the built-in effects thing turned out to be not such a good idea when musicians would jump around a lot and knock all the wiring out of wack ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Apr 2 15:19:45 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 21:19:45 +0100 Subject: OFF: VOX (was: HW: Live 79 (An invitation to a 1 minute hate)) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990402105229.0086f940@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: >guitar models also did this) of including effects built into the instrument >itself. If that's true, I would bet that the tremelo on Sonic's guitar >(think "Honey" from 'Playing With Fire') is from the built-in effect. Of >course, the built-in effects thing turned out to be not such a good idea >when musicians would jump around a lot and knock all the wiring out of wack ooh yeah, i see what you mean, Vox were top stars for this sort of thing, my fave being the knob-o-phonic Guitarorgan, much twiddling fun :-) andrew From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Apr 2 17:17:01 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 14:17:01 -0800 Subject: HW: the original "Death Trap" Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:27:22 +0100, J Strobridge wrote: >Doug Pearson writes: >> Perhaps a stupid question ... but is the original studio version of "Death >> Trap" available on *any* currently in-print CD ... ? > >If you mean version 2 (see below) then, yes, it should be available >on the PXR5 album. That's the one! And the PXR5 CD on Virgin has been out-of-print for several years now, as I understand (please correct me if I'm wrong!). However, a net search did just turn up a copy in Texas, so I'll be a happy camper. I still don't understand why it never made it onto a compilation of the Charisma-era material. I think that era needs an equivalent of 'Stasis' to put all the single sides together in one place. >Or is there another version you had in mind? >{behind this innocuous question please read: "I hope we've got the >codex right!) Looks all right to me! -Doug ceres at sirius.com >>From the Codex: > >Death Trap > L 1 Weird 101 - Sonic Assasins/ Dave Brock > L 1 Sonic Assassins 12" EP > L 1 Victoria double album > L 1 Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-1985 > 2 PXR5 > 2 Psi Power/ Deathtrap 7" > L 3 Weird 104 - Hawklords/Hawkwind Live 1978 > L 3 a The Hawklords Live > L 4 This is Hawkwind - Do Not Panic > L 4 Zones/Stonehenge CD > 5 Area S4 EP > 5 Alien4 > L 6 The A Files [Bootleg CD] > L 7 Theta Orionis [bootleg CD] > L 8 Love In Space > > * 3 and 3a are from the same tour From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 2 18:38:32 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:38:32 +0100 Subject: HW: the original "Death Trap" In-Reply-To: Doug Pearson's message of Fri, 2 Apr 1999 14:17:01 -0800 Message-ID: Doug Pearson writes: > >If you mean version 2 (see below) then, yes, it should be available > >on the PXR5 album. > > That's the one! And the PXR5 CD on Virgin has been out-of-print for > several years now, as I understand (please correct me if I'm wrong!). True enough - though I think there are still copies around. Or maybe I'm thinking of the 12" vinyl which there seems to be copious quantities available - at least in 2nd hand record stores. > However, a net search did just turn up a copy in Texas, so I'll be a happy > camper. I still don't understand why it never made it onto a compilation > of the Charisma-era material. I think that era needs an equivalent of > 'Stasis' to put all the single sides together in one place. possibly because it was released under 'Hawklords' rather than 'Hawkwind' and therefore falls in the greyish area when Hawkwind weren't Hawkwind. Just a guess but it might make a difference. jill ObTimeofYear> Happy Chocolate egg wishes to one and all. ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Apr 2 18:54:44 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:54:44 +0100 Subject: HW: the original "Death Trap" In-Reply-To: <199904022338.AAA06862@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Sat, 3 Apr 1999, J Strobridge wrote: > > > Doug Pearson writes: > > > However, a net search did just turn up a copy in Texas, so I'll be a happy > > I still don't understand why it never made it onto a compilation > > of the Charisma-era material. I think that era needs an equivalent of > > 'Stasis' to put all the single sides together in one place. > > possibly because it was released under 'Hawklords' rather than > 'Hawkwind' and therefore falls in the greyish area when Hawkwind weren't > Hawkwind. Just a guess but it might make a difference. Well, 'Tales From Atomhenge' is very much that sort of compilation, featuring several otherwise-unavailable tracks, but of course (a) it like all the other Virgin material is out of print (hasn't anyone got Branson's e-mail? I'd rather like a CD of '25 Years On' though that Gilham's not the only one with an original vinyl these days), and (b) it still hasn't got 'Death Trap' on it, which I thought was a near-criminal omission. Mind you, I'd still like ToA. Doesn't seem to be anywhere any more, but my first HawkConvert picked up a copy with no trouble, and that wasn't long ago. Yours, Jon ObCD: Sons of Selina - 'Nour d'Oui' From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 2 19:18:06 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 01:18:06 +0100 Subject: HW: the original "Death Trap" Message-ID: On l?r 3 apr 1999 00.54 +0100 "Jonathan Jarrett" wrote: > Well, 'Tales From Atomhenge' is very much that sort of > compilation, featuring several otherwise-unavailable tracks, but of course > (a) it like all the other Virgin material is out of print (hasn't anyone > got Branson's e-mail? No good--he sold Virgin Records some while ago! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sat Apr 3 02:28:26 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 08:28:26 +0100 Subject: HW: the original "Death Trap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Well, 'Tales From Atomhenge' is very much that sort of > compilation, featuring several otherwise-unavailable tracks, but of course > (a) it like all the other Virgin material is out of print (hasn't anyone > got Branson's e-mail? I'd rather like a CD of '25 Years On' though that > Gilham's not the only one with an original vinyl these days), and (b) it > still hasn't got 'Death Trap' on it, which I thought was a near-criminal > omission. Just because I got it the day it came out, when you were still in nappies! :) Anyway, I already had "Death Trap" on the b-side of "Psi-Power" so that was OK. BTW, I'm in the process of selling my house, to the only person who came to see it who commented on the Hawklords poster... - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Apr 3 02:46:32 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 02:46:32 EST Subject: OFF: Ebeling Hughes/Etc. Message-ID: I've found something for you Floyd/Porcupine Tree nuts. This is a CD that was just released last year, called "Transfigured Night", by Ebeling Hughes (the last names of the musicians). Quite spacey. Only cost me a buck, too! Man, do I get cheap thrills. Chuck PS: Also rec'd today: Pink Faries: Do It! (new comp of "rare" live stuff. This will be my first listen to this group! Hope it's a good representation.) Pressurehed: Explaining the Unexplained (having hear the title track, and even playing it on last week's show, I have a feeling this will be a mind-blower) 13th Fl. Elevators: Bull in the Woods (pretty good score for just $5, but after peeling off the wrapping, I find that this is post-Erikson... Any comments on these welcome. From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Apr 3 02:50:39 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 02:50:39 EST Subject: OFF: Ebeling Hughes/Etc. Message-ID: In a message dated 99-04-03 02:47:50 EST, you write: << 13th Fl. Elevators: Bull in the Woods (pretty good score for just $5, but after peeling off the wrapping, I find that this is post-Erikson... Any comments on these welcome. >> ---Okay. I agree on all accounts. Accept that Roky was indeed involved w/this album, he just had fewer song-writing credits... Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Apr 3 03:14:59 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 03:14:59 EST Subject: HW/OFF: Moorcock/Matthews Calenders Message-ID: In a message dated 99-04-02 04:38:48 EST, you write: << [ off quote ] I would have thought eminently collectable at least, RM's work is still v/popular, got some of his stuff on/in Paper Tiger books. Don't know about collectors items tho ! Be interested to know if you find out as a friend is really into RM stuff and I know he hasn't got one of these. Cheers. Mark. >> ---Well, you may as well ask him; Jill has been sent one, Allan Grohe also inquired, but that's all, so I still have 3 left. (Man, I thought I'd get deluged by Hawk/Cockfans on this one... But then, BOC-L has been just plain quiet lately. Even Dasalud has been slackin' off...:) Chuck From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Sat Apr 3 04:33:46 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Gekke Henkie) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 11:33:46 +0200 Subject: HW/OFF: Moorcock/Matthews Calenders In-Reply-To: <9abc8d3e.24372803@aol.com> Message-ID: On 3 Apr 99, at 3:14, Chuck Rosenberg wrote: > ---Well, you may as well ask him; Jill has been sent one, Allan Grohe also > inquired, but that's all, so I still have 3 left. (Man, I thought I'd get > deluged by Hawk/Cockfans on this one... But > then, BOC-L has been just plain quiet lately. Even Dasalud has been > slackin' off...:) If you sytill got one left, I'am interested. --BArt From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Apr 3 06:02:42 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 12:02:42 +0100 Subject: HW: the original "Death Trap" Message-ID: On l?r 3 apr 1999 08.28 +0100 "Andy Gilham" wrote: > BTW, I'm in the process of selling my house, to the only person who came to > see it who commented on the Hawklords poster... Congrats! How much longer are you there? -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Apr 3 07:57:52 1999 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 04:57:52 PST Subject: BOC: Naz connection Message-ID: Hi Kids....... Yesterday I was looking around on the official Nazareth website and came across this interesting tidbit....... ---------------------------------------------------- NEW BOOKING AGENCY FOR NAZ Nazareth will now be booked by STEVE SHANK (formerly of The Agency Group) who also handles and manages Blue Oyster Cult. "We have an existing relationship with Steve (Shank) so we there is a trust level established.? Right now Steve is working his ass of to secure dates for the rest of the tour for us.? So please let everyone know that as soon as I know the dates, I'll pass them onto Tom.", says Darrell So there you have it folks.? Please be patient regarding the tour dates. As soon as we get them from Darrell we'll post them the same day/night. ---------------------------------------------------- So should I be happy or start crying? Maybe I'll end up seeing BOC and NAZ together, a Torgo dream come true. Ghost, if they both come to JAXX you WILL be seeing my face at your door. :^) One quick off topic question: According to the same site, Naz's new single "Light comes Down" is currently on the billboard charts at #26. Now, I listen to alot of radio at work (when I can wrestle it away from the guys that listen to the goat-ropin' music), and I'll be damned if I have heard it!!!!! One last thing, I heard Metallica's version of Astronomy yesterday for the first time (Thanks Crow, you rock bro), and my 2 cents is that it's probably the best cover ever done of a BOC song. I love it!! Ok, I'll shut up now...... Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos *********************************************** Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Apr 3 10:02:13 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 16:02:13 +0100 Subject: HW: the original "Death Trap" In-Reply-To: <000001be7da3$9002dac0$9a3f63c3@default> Message-ID: On Sat, 3 Apr 1999, Andy Gilham wrote: > Just because I got it the day it came out, when you were still in nappies! > :) Anyway, I already had "Death Trap" on the b-side of "Psi-Power" so that > was OK. Just for the record, I was not in nappies in '78. I mention this only in case people who know how old I am think Andy's got hold of blackmail information... ;-) > BTW, I'm in the process of selling my house, to the only person who came to > see it who commented on the Hawklords poster... Cool - does that mean you can at last shift to Cambridge? At this rate you'll have moved in just as Carl leaves the country... Yours, Jon From Mondello1 at AOL.COM Sat Apr 3 11:04:45 1999 From: Mondello1 at AOL.COM (Steven Defoe) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 11:04:45 EST Subject: Off Topic: MAC CD ROM Free + Price Of Postage Message-ID: I have 7 copies of a very beautiful, hand-made in Japan by Toshi Hiraoka, MAC format CD ROM...It includes music/video material from some obscure Japanese and American artists, mostly in the extreme noise category. I know that much because I'm in one of the featured bands, The Larry Mondello Band. Otherwise, I can't provide many details because I don't have a MAC so I can't run the thing! I would like the 7 discs to go to appreciative homes, so I am offering them to anybody with this kind of taste, who has a Mac, for $2 postage (US) and $5 postage (elsewhere). Please email privately to mondello1 at aol.com if interested. Thanks. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sat Apr 3 11:44:23 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 17:44:23 +0100 Subject: HW: the original "Death Trap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Just because I got it the day it came out, when you were still > in nappies! > > :) Anyway, I already had "Death Trap" on the b-side of > "Psi-Power" so that > > was OK. > > Just for the record, I was not in nappies in '78. I mention this > only in case people who know how old I am think Andy's got hold of > blackmail information... ;-) Oh, I guessed you were about 23 - take it as a compliment... :) > > > BTW, I'm in the process of selling my house, to the only person > who came to > > see it who commented on the Hawklords poster... > > Cool - does that mean you can at last shift to Cambridge? At this > rate you'll have moved in just as Carl leaves the country... Yours, > Jon No, I changed my mind and will stay in London - where all the best gigs are on, etc... (And maybe Biarritz too, if all works out as it should :) - Andy ObCD: _PXR5_ (hadn't spun it for a while, and really, it's still bloody good!) mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Apr 3 11:51:48 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 17:51:48 +0100 Subject: HW: the original "Death Trap" In-Reply-To: <000001be7df1$3a4f04c0$4f3f63c3@default> Message-ID: On Sat, 3 Apr 1999, Andy Gilham wrote: > > Just for the record, I was not in nappies in '78. I mention this > > only in case people who know how old I am think Andy's got hold of > > blackmail information... ;-) > > Oh, I guessed you were about 23 - take it as a compliment... :) Yes, actually, now I come to think about it, I must have been. But my memory is a little vague. Oh well, I shall just have to hope there aren't photoes :-) > (And maybe Biarritz too, if all works out as it should :) Cool! That sounds intriguingly Frenchwomen-linked... Yours, Jon From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Apr 3 11:57:35 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 17:57:35 +0100 Subject: HW: the original "Death Trap" Message-ID: On l?r 3 apr 1999 17.51 +0100 "Jonathan Jarrett" wrote: > On Sat, 3 Apr 1999, Andy Gilham wrote: > [Jon J. wrote:] >> > Just for the record, I was not in nappies in '78. I mention this >> > only in case people who know how old I am think Andy's got hold of >> > blackmail information... ;-) >> >> Oh, I guessed you were about 23 - take it as a compliment... :) > > Yes, actually, now I come to think about it, I must have been. I was going to say, "Er, I thought Jon had been born by 1978!" ;) Cheers, Carl ObCD: Garmarna, _Vederg?llningen_ -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Apr 3 15:01:11 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 15:01:11 EST Subject: OFF: Quarkspace Message-ID: Someone on the newsgroup is selling QS's self-titled CD. I seem to recall Keith (or someone) saying to avoid this? Or was that another group? Anyway, I'm not even sure about Live Orion yet, though I definitely love "Air". Thanks, Chuck From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sat Apr 3 16:15:59 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 22:15:59 +0100 Subject: HW: the original "Death Trap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Cool! That sounds intriguingly Frenchwomen-linked... Plural, huh? I like the way you think! :) That reminds me of another obscure gem - _Livin' With a Head_ by Holy Curse. Holy Curse are from Le Havre, Normandy; they rock like bastards; and I couldn't even find their album in Le Havre itself. But you can order it from http://www.fnac.fr! (Of course if you don't read French you might be in trouble.) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Apr 3 22:00:44 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 04:00:44 +0100 Subject: OFF: Trouble tribute Message-ID: On l?r 3 apr 1999 22.15 +0100 "Andy Gilham" wrote: > (Of course if you don't read French you might be > in trouble.) Speaking of in Trouble, I note the Trouble tribute album has been released, on sale from MeteorCity, at least ... Cheers, Carl ObCD: Garmarna, _Guds Spelem?n_ -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Apr 2 19:36:13 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 01:36:13 +0100 Subject: HW: the original "Death Trap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Jonathan Jarrett writes >I'd rather like a CD of '25 Years On' though that >Gilham's not the only one with an original vinyl these days), Indeed not! Mine's a childhood relic, though... -- Jon From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 5 05:30:49 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 10:30:49 +0100 Subject: HW: Alan Davey tour Message-ID: Has anyone caught one of the Alan Davey shows yet on the current tour? I didn't manage to get to Cheltenham and then, unfortunately he was headed north while I was going south. I noted that his Ashburton gig was being advertised in Buckfastleigh though - and that really is impressive coverage since a more out-of-the-way place is difficult to imagine! It was very positively advertised too so I hope he gets a good turnout. Porcupine Tree played there once but unfortunately it rated for Steve Wilson as one of the worst venues he ever played in! I quite like it - big, rustic, bohemian type pub up on the moors. I'm hoping they are going to have a Millenium party up there. Yrs ramblingly on a grey Bank Holyday Monday for everyone except Scotland 8-( jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Apr 5 01:49:49 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 05:49:49 +0000 Subject: BOC: Naz connection Message-ID: > One quick off topic question: According to the same site, Naz's new > single "Light comes Down" is currently on the billboard charts at #26. > Now, I listen to alot of radio at work (when I can wrestle it away from > the guys that listen to the goat-ropin' music), and I'll be damned if I > have heard it!!!!! I'll ask around. My station being alternative, we never play the good stuff! But I hadn't heard of Nazareth making an impression on any charts. I think that's pretty cool, but is the new music good? Decent rock radio is becoming such a rarity these days. I think the recent wave set in motion by CMC Records could just change that. BOC got a lot of spins around the country in 1998, and that's nothin' short of amazing! Now let's get those Brain Surgeons going... Speaking of... Hey Al, you ever try to push your stuff onto the charts? I know that Alternative is probably a dirty word to many on this list, but the field is so open these days...alt stations play sooo much different stuff. We spun the hell out of Space Lord. I think there's a lot of tBS music that could make it if enough people heard it. And Rolling Stone has had some good things to say about you guys... > One last thing, I heard Metallica's version of Astronomy yesterday for > the first time (Thanks Crow, you rock bro), and my 2 cents is that it's > probably the best cover ever done of a BOC song. I love it!! Did you hear it on the radio? I'm dying to hear it myself! I have to tell you, I think their Whiskey in the Jar is just out of this world...and that's coming from a real non-Metallic fan. -- Nick From mordru at FLITE.NET Mon Apr 5 08:26:11 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 08:26:11 -0400 Subject: BOC: Naz connection Message-ID: >Did you hear it on the radio? I'm dying to hear it myself! I have to >tell you, I think their Whiskey in the Jar is just out of this >world...and that's coming from a real non-Metallic fan. That one has really grown on me... I hadn't heard the Thin Lizzy version or that and all, but was familiar with the song from Amtgard, SCA, etc... The fact that it is immediately after the Astronomy cover and it probably got a lot of accidental playtime on my CD player because of this probably didn't hurt... ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 5 09:33:48 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 14:33:48 +0100 Subject: HW: Caution? In-Reply-To: Marshall Wood's message of Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:55:41 -0800 Message-ID: Marshall Wood writes: > So, what's this about some unreleased Hawkwind album called _Caution_? > When was this thing recorded? Why did it never get released? Gee, is it April 1st again already? > MWood FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 5 09:38:02 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 14:38:02 +0100 Subject: HW: Caution? In-Reply-To: Jonathan Jarrett's message of Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:10:00 +0100 Message-ID: Jonathan Jarrett writes: > On Tue, 30 Mar 1999, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > > > >So, what's this about some unreleased Hawkwind album called _Caution_? > > When was this thing recorded? > > >Why did it never get released? > Wasn't it something like the then label, who were one-off for that > project anyway, having distributor problems, during which the album got > shelved, and there were arguments and now there's bad blood on both sides, > because the label don't think it's worth distributing, but won't give up > the rights. Though I could be remembering something else entirely. > > If I remember correctly there was also an issue over the label > insisting on using a house producer who did his own over-dubs. I think the > band were very upset at this and claimed it wasn't really a Hawkwind > album, a "made-up record". Again, don't quote me though. Yours, There was also the problem that Baker and Hale had left the band and there were problems with rights to the concept. The track "Let's Be Careful Out There" had also run into problems because of its sampling of the line from Seargant Phil. > Jon FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 5 11:01:20 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 16:01:20 +0100 Subject: OFF: Favorite Twisted Covers In-Reply-To: DASLUD@AOL.COM's message of Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:25:48 EST Message-ID: I just obtained a copy of James Last singing Silver Machine. FoFP From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Mon Apr 5 11:05:46 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 11:05:46 -0400 Subject: BOC: Naz connection In-Reply-To: <199904050944.FAA19329@junior.srt.net> from "owner-boc-l@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU" at Apr 5, 99 05:49:49 am Message-ID: owner-boc-l at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU writes: > > Did you hear it on the radio? I'm dying to hear it myself! I have to > tell you, I think their Whiskey in the Jar is just out of this > world...and that's coming from a real non-Metallic fan. That one became an instant favorite of mine when I bought the Garage Inc CD (that, and "Loverman", surely one of the most evil sounding things I've ever heard). There's also an excellent live performance of "Whiskey" that they've been playing on M2 (when they can take time out from their near-continuous showings of Pope John Paul II's "Abba Pater" music video). ;-) Steve swann at plutonia.com From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Mon Apr 5 11:12:29 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Gekke Henkie) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 17:12:29 +0200 Subject: OFF: Favorite Twisted Covers In-Reply-To: <199904051501.QAA26839@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 5 Apr 99, at 16:01, M Holmes wrote: > I just obtained a copy of James Last singing Silver Machine. Great, but do you mean James Last singing? That's horrible ;-) --BArt From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Apr 5 11:46:57 1999 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 23:46:57 +0800 Subject: OFF: Favorite Twisted Covers In-Reply-To: <199904051501.QAA26839@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > I just obtained a copy of James Last singing Silver Machine. > Does he actually sing on it? I thought he was just an orchestra conductor? William From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Mon Apr 5 12:19:22 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 12:19:22 -0400 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album.. Conan and others Message-ID: Since we are talking about the fantasy genre, has anyone ever seen "Hawk the Slayer"? Very campy, very low budget, great story (IMHO). As far as Excalibur, all I have to say is "Annal na thack, uth bath bethuud, dochiel dien ve" From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Apr 5 14:19:26 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 11:19:26 -0700 Subject: HW: the original "Death Trap" Message-ID: On Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:54:44 +0100, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: >> > > Doug Pearson writes: >> >> > I still don't understand why it never made it onto a compilation >> > of the Charisma-era material. I think that era needs an equivalent of >> > 'Stasis' to put all the single sides together in one place. >> >> possibly because it was released under 'Hawklords' rather than >> 'Hawkwind' and therefore falls in the greyish area when Hawkwind weren't >> Hawkwind. Just a guess but it might make a difference. For the record, I already have all the usual Charisma stuff on vinyl (including the "Back on the Streets" 7" and the "25 Years" 12", although my copy of PXR5 has a slight edge warp that's very audible on the first song - "Death Trap" - arrrrrgh!), I was merely looking for the convenience of having it on CD, too (the thought came to me when I was making a Hawkwind "best-of" comp for a friend, and it was the only track I had to go to a vinyl copy for). > Well, 'Tales From Atomhenge' is very much that sort of >compilation, featuring several otherwise-unavailable tracks, I have the slightly-earlier 'Spirit of the Age' comp, which is essentially the same track listing except that TfA has the two non-LP B-sides that are also on the Griffin 'Astounding Sounds' CD. An otherwise great collection in either variation - except for the omission of "Death Trap"! >I'd rather like a CD of '25 Years On' though that >Gilham's not the only one with an original vinyl these days), Me, too! Although I'd love to see it done properly as a 'Hawklords Complete' CD with "Valium Ten", "Who's Gonna Win The War", "British Tribal Music" and even "Douglas In The Jungle" as bonus tracks (along with any other Hawklords studio outtakes that might exist). BTW, if anyone really needs one, I have an extra vinyl copy (or two) of '25 Years On'. For some reason, it turns up quite a bit (always as a promo copy!) in the USA. >and (b) it >still hasn't got 'Death Trap' on it, which I thought was a near-criminal >omission. Yep. Can't say that enough times. Here's my dream CD comp: Kerb Crawler (single version - is this different from the LP?) Honky Dorky Back on the Streets Dream of Isis Quark, Strangeness & Charm Forge of Vulcan Hassan i Sahba Damnation Alley (part one) Psi Power (7" edit) Death Trap 25 Years (12" version) PXR5 Only the Dead Dreams of the Cold War Kid plus, if there's room for some non-single tracks: Reefer Madness Spirit of the Age Robot Flying Doctor Did I miss anything? -Doug ceres at sirius.com From mordru at FLITE.NET Mon Apr 5 14:27:09 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 14:27:09 -0400 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album.. Conan and others Message-ID: >Since we are talking about the fantasy genre, has anyone ever seen "Hawk the >Slayer"? Very campy, very low budget, great story (IMHO). Of course. Jack Palance. Had some nifty elements, but campy as well, my favorite is the elf, after being mortally wounded, only moans in pain when the camera pans across him. And let's not forget a rate of fire on the bow greater than your average automatic assault rifle... Still, when I first saw it (I was like 11 or so) I loved it... ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Mon Apr 5 15:17:52 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 15:17:52 -0400 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album.. Conan and others In-Reply-To: <91B3F4CA7220D1118BA00000F83114BD021CF33E@emss05m03.sanders .lmco.com> Message-ID: > >As far as Excalibur, all I have to say is "Annal na thack, uth bath bethuud, >dochiel dien ve" Isn't that the spell that puts all lurkers in a block of crystal whilst sitting at their terminals? :) Good film. Best Arthurian one of 'em all. Beats the musical. Speaking of musicals, The Dutch intrumental rock-jazz fusion group of the 70's, Focus, were the house band for "Hair" in their early days. And Procol harum's now deceased drummer Barrie-James Wilson banged the skins for "Rocky Horror Picture Show" vinyl when that came out. (The lead singer, Gary Brooker, went on to do a cameo in the film Evita. And of course, Ian Gillan was Jesus on "Jesus Christ Superstar's" London cast.) Triva trivia go away and come again some other day, Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Mon Apr 5 19:40:12 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 08:40:12 +0900 Subject: OFF: That one obscure album.. Conan and others Message-ID: Absolute favourite scene in any movie:- The elf (who looks like he wants to be Mr Spock when he grows up) wakes up from his day dream, says something like "Four men, three horses" and goes back to sleep. Artistic genius. :-) Dave "Hall, Russell J" wrote: > Since we are talking about the fantasy genre, has anyone ever seen "Hawk the > Slayer"? Very campy, very low budget, great story (IMHO). > > As far as Excalibur, all I have to say is "Annal na thack, uth bath bethuud, > dochiel dien ve" -- Dave Greenhalgh ICQ#33513470 From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Apr 5 22:08:44 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:08:44 -0400 Subject: HW: Tim Blake performance Message-ID: Hi Folks... Anybody going to see Tim Blake this weekend??? And if so, would anybody like to write a short review for the Aural Innovations 'zine? It gets you a free copy, and our sincere gratitude. Keith H. (FAA) P.S. If they've got the CD available, I wouldn't mind having one sent to me. I'll send you an extra few dollars for your troubles even. :) Details below... The 6th Alfa-Centauri Electronic Music Festival Saturday April 10, 1999 will be held at the Theatre 3-in-1 in Huizen, the Netherlands. Tim Blake, Redshift, T-Bass UK, RAMP, Stratosphere and others will perform. Details can be found at: The headline act will be Tim Blake (ex-Gong, ex-Hawkwind). He will perform tracks from his new Album "Crystal Island: The Tide of the Century", which will be released just before the festival. Also Tim will play some classics like Blake's New Jerusalem '99. Tim is very much into virtual analog these days and he will demonstrate this thoroughly. From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Tue Apr 6 05:14:00 1999 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:14:00 +0100 Subject: 25 Years CD Rot Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1999-04-06 10:14 My 25 Years Virgin CD is showing serious signs of decay. It looks like air is getting into the layer between the data part of the disc and the label and it looks like it has streaks of some sort of growth growing into the centre of the disc. Thankfully, the playing time of this disc is so short that it has to grow over more than 50% of the disc to affect the sound but its not very conforting anyway. Has anyone else come across this problem or have I just got a dud? If it is a case of the disc layers separating, is there a known cure to slow the process down? I was wondering if something crazy like putting a thin layer of glue round the rim might help matters? Thanks for any advice here. Mark (hoping that a remaster of this CD will come out before its too late) From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Apr 6 07:28:46 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 07:28:46 EDT Subject: BOC this Sat... In-Reply-To: <370949DC.17E36AA4@virgin.net> Message-ID: Torgo, are you going? Brian, I KNOW you're going... Anyone else? Seems kind of pricey for a BOC show, but I guess we have to pay extra for those 2 'special guests?' theo From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 6 08:38:17 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:38:17 +0100 Subject: 25 Years CD Rot In-Reply-To: Mark Edmonds's message of Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:14:00 +0100 Message-ID: Mark Edmonds writes: > From: Mark Edmonds > Date: 1999-04-06 10:14 > > My 25 Years Virgin CD is showing serious signs of decay. It looks like > air is getting into the layer between the data part of the disc and the > label and it looks like it has streaks of some sort of growth growing > into the centre of the disc. Thankfully, the playing time of this disc is > so short that it has to grow over more than 50% of the disc to affect the > sound but its not very conforting anyway. Has anyone else come across > this problem or have I just got a dud? If it is a case of the disc layers > separating, is there a known cure to slow the process down? I was > wondering if something crazy like putting a thin layer of glue round the > rim might help matters? Thanks for any advice here. sounds nasty! Mutant CD-eating mould. I hope it's not spreadable. It's a reminder that perhaps I should open my CD cases occasionally just to check what's going on inside tho. Would TCP or Dettol or something like that damage a CD if you gave it a quick bath and let it dry thoroughly? I don't think either of them attack plastic - but I could be very wrong! Any chemists on the list? jill ObMilleniumOddity> According to 'Harper's Bazaar' magazine, over ten thousand virgins have taken out insurance policies against an unplanned immaculate conception in 2000. (Info from 'New Scientist', March) ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Apr 6 08:55:19 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:55:19 +0100 Subject: 25 Years CD Rot In-Reply-To: <199904061238.NAA28597@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > ObMilleniumOddity> According to 'Harper's Bazaar' magazine, over ten > thousand virgins have taken out insurance policies against an unplanned > immaculate conception in 2000. (Info from 'New Scientist', March) Surely this has "urban legend" written all over it? ("You thought the Biblical End Times were a motherfucker? Listen, friend - the Aztec calendar just ran out!" - Mick Farren) Back to the disc rot thing - it's usually caused by the lacquer breaking down, I'm given to understand, and it usually works in from the outside, so the last tracks get affected first. To begin with, the effect is a bit like the pops and clicks you used to get on vinyl, but eventually it'll become unplayable. Not every disc in an affected pressing will necessarily fall victim, but there's no way to cure an affected disc either. Apparently several Amon Duul BBC In Concert discs are affected, so I'd have a look at my Hawkwind BBC CD too if you're worried about this sort of thing. - Andy ObCD: _The Deviants Have Left the Planet_ mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Tue Apr 6 08:58:32 1999 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:58:32 +0200 Subject: HW: Tim Blake performance In-Reply-To: <199904060319.XAA13765@mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: >Anybody going to see Tim Blake this weekend??? And if so, would anybody >like to write a short review for the Aural Innovations 'zine? It gets you a >free copy, and our sincere gratitude. > >Keith H. (FAA) > >P.S. If they've got the CD available, I wouldn't mind having one sent to >me. I'll send you an extra few dollars for your troubles even. :) > >Details below... > >The 6th Alfa-Centauri Electronic Music Festival Saturday April 10, 1999 will >be held at the Theatre 3-in-1 in Huizen, the Netherlands. Tim Blake, >Redshift, T-Bass UK, RAMP, Stratosphere and others will perform. Details >can be found at: > >The headline act will be Tim Blake (ex-Gong, ex-Hawkwind). He will perform >tracks from his new Album "Crystal Island: The Tide of the Century", which >will be released just before the festival. Also Tim will play some classics >like Blake's New Jerusalem '99. Tim is very much into virtual analog these >days and he will demonstrate this thoroughly. i will visit this event and try to make a review of the festival and the tim blake gig. eric who organises the festival has already let me know that the new cd of tim "Crystal Island: The Tide of the Century" will not be ready during this event. but it's possible to reserve cd's from tim from quantum and probably from their website. looking forward to see tim as it's almost 20 years ago since that legendary hw tour in 1979 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! andre too. From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Tue Apr 6 09:02:09 1999 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:02:09 +0200 Subject: 25 Years CD Rot In-Reply-To: <5002@ems.rail.co.uk> Message-ID: At 10:14 6-4-99 +0100, you wrote: >From: Mark Edmonds >Date: 1999-04-06 10:14 > >My 25 Years Virgin CD is showing serious signs of decay. It looks like >air is getting into the layer between the data part of the disc and the >label and it looks like it has streaks of some sort of growth growing >into the centre of the disc. Thankfully, the playing time of this disc is >so short that it has to grow over more than 50% of the disc to affect the >sound but its not very conforting anyway. Has anyone else come across >this problem or have I just got a dud? If it is a case of the disc layers >separating, is there a known cure to slow the process down? I was >wondering if something crazy like putting a thin layer of glue round the >rim might help matters? Thanks for any advice here. > >Mark (hoping that a remaster of this CD will come out before its too >late) > bad luck my friend. mine still looks and plays very well. andre From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Apr 6 09:34:56 1999 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:34:56 -0400 Subject: BOC: Naz connection Message-ID: >Speaking of... Hey Al, you ever try to push your stuff onto the >charts? I know that Alternative is probably a dirty word to many on Actually no we haven't had the - er, re$our$e$ to pump up the radio but that situation may be changing in the next six months. >think there's a lot of tBS music that could make it if enough people >heard it. And Rolling Stone has had some good things to say about you >guys... Thanks. >> One last thing, I heard Metallica's version of Astronomy yesterday for >> the first time (Thanks Crow, you rock bro), and my 2 cents is that it's >> probably the best cover ever done of a BOC song. I love it!! I love that whole first disc on Garage Inc. and my favorite is "Loverman" but I'm so predictable. From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Apr 6 10:18:23 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 10:18:23 EDT Subject: 25 Years CD Rot Message-ID: In a message dated 4/6/99 8:58:13 AM, Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM writes: <> so in addition to my old cassettes which are crumbling and video tapes growing mold, i have THIS to look forward to. lovely. "<>" lb From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Apr 6 12:01:15 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:01:15 -0500 Subject: BOC: Naz connection Message-ID: >So should I be happy or start crying? Maybe I'll end up seeing BOC and NAZ together, a Torgo dream come true. Ghost, if they both come to JAXX you WILL be seeing my face at your door. :^) Oh that would be kewl. Naz should be spending a lot of time here in the old US with SS involved. Sya what ya want about ole' Steve he keeps BOC giiged up to their eyeballs. An Aside - Paul, oh my gosh this thing blows away the other live disc. Damn I wish I was at this gig. Never invite me to your place you will undoubtedly be missing a few of those boots. L8er Ghost in the Ruins NP: Gov't Mule - Live with a Little Help From our Friends. Silverbed Pioneers - Basement Tapes Brand X - A History 1976-1980 **************************************************************************** ************************************* Gov't Mule and friends - "Four guitars, two pianos, two drummers, a lone loping bass and a wailing saxaphone riding high towards the span of the Roxy's proscenium arch. This circle of of virtuoso, anitheros and provocateurs restored the Spirit to rock & roll through collective dialogue." - Kandia Crazy Horse [2/1/99] **************************************************************************** ************************************** From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 6 12:04:31 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:04:31 +0100 Subject: 25 Years CD Rot In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:55:19 +0100 Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > > ObMilleniumOddity> According to 'Harper's Bazaar' magazine, over ten > > thousand virgins have taken out insurance policies against an unplanned > > immaculate conception in 2000. (Info from 'New Scientist', March) > > Surely this has "urban legend" written all over it? ("You thought the > Biblical End Times were a motherfucker? Listen, friend - the Aztec calendar > just ran out!" - Mick Farren) There's a Brit insurance company that deals in weird risks like immaculate conception, alien kidnap, asteroid strike (on the person), waking up next to an ugly partner and inability to perform in bed. Apparently the last one is now often bought for the groom so as to enliven the Best Man's speech. FoFP From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Apr 6 04:54:51 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:54:51 +0100 Subject: HW: Alan Davey tour In-Reply-To: <199904050930.KAA06495@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <199904050930.KAA06495 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, J Strobridge writes >I didn't manage to get to Cheltenham and then, unfortunately he was >headed north while I was going south Walking down the road the other day, this chap comes up to me. I said "Hallo mate, haven't seen you for a while, where you been? He said "I just got back from 'Nam" "What, Viet Nam?" "No, Cheltenham" Crap joke copyright Ted Chippington 1986. Also available in Dub re-mix. -- Jon From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Tue Apr 6 13:19:41 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:19:41 -0400 Subject: 25 Years CD Rot In-Reply-To: <5002@ems.rail.co.uk> from "Mark Edmonds" at Apr 6, 99 10:14:00 am Message-ID: Mark Edmonds writes: > > From: Mark Edmonds > Date: 1999-04-06 10:14 > > My 25 Years Virgin CD is showing serious signs of decay. It looks like > air is getting into the layer between the data part of the disc and the > label and it looks like it has streaks of some sort of growth growing > into the centre of the disc. Thankfully, the playing time of this disc is > so short that it has to grow over more than 50% of the disc to affect the > sound but its not very conforting anyway. Has anyone else come across > this problem or have I just got a dud? If it is a case of the disc layers > separating, is there a known cure to slow the process down? No known cure, and any "experimental" treatments run a good risk of making it worse. > I was > wondering if something crazy like putting a thin layer of glue round the > rim might help matters? Thanks for any advice here. It might, or it might end up forcing the layers wider open, allowing in more air, and accelerating the oxidation. Burning a CDR of it is the only realistic way to preserve it. Steve swann at plutonia.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 6 13:38:30 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:38:30 +0100 Subject: 25 Years CD Rot In-Reply-To: Stephen Swann's message of Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:19:41 -0400 Message-ID: Stephen Swann writes: > Mark Edmonds writes: > > > > From: Mark Edmonds > > Date: 1999-04-06 10:14 > > > > My 25 Years Virgin CD is showing serious signs of decay. It looks like > > air is getting into the layer between the data part of the disc and the > > label and it looks like it has streaks of some sort of growth growing > > into the centre of the disc. Thankfully, the playing time of this disc is > > so short that it has to grow over more than 50% of the disc to affect the > > sound but its not very conforting anyway. Has anyone else come across > > this problem or have I just got a dud? If it is a case of the disc layers > > separating, is there a known cure to slow the process down? > > No known cure, and any "experimental" treatments run a good risk of > making it worse. > > > I was > > wondering if something crazy like putting a thin layer of glue round the > > rim might help matters? Thanks for any advice here. > > It might, or it might end up forcing the layers wider open, allowing > in more air, and accelerating the oxidation. Burning a CDR of it > is the only realistic way to preserve it. I don't know if this is related but one of the CD manufacturing companies made poor CDs several years ago and has agreed to replace CDs if they rot. Unfortunately I don't remember the details but I'd guess that a question to a relevant newsgroup or maybe even a web search would elicit further information. FoFP From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Apr 6 15:25:23 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:25:23 -0400 Subject: OFF: Catching Up Fast Message-ID: >>King's X - Ear Candy (1996) >>Summary description: Screaming Trees meets It Bites >> >>This is pretty standard material. The proggish pop-rock writing style of It >>Bites' Frank Dunnery but with that enormous dude from Screaming Trees on >>rhythm guitar pretty much explains everything you need to know about King's >>X (is it pronounced 'ex' or 'cross'...I always wondered). The vocals are >>indeed unusual, again very reminiscent of Frank Dunnery (alone), but also >>like Echolyn (a 'truer' prog band) when doing the harmonizing thing. I >>found it only marginally interesting. And they get quite soulful (or even >>'gospel-ish') once in a while. But the main problem is the drummer. This >>guy is clumsy and plodding (see Chronicle of the Black Sword), which is >>unfortunately emphasized by the fact that the sound of his drums on this >>album is also pretty much dead. This is a major label recording, so can't >>imagine what the engineer was doing to make the drum track so lifeless. > >Ok before I start please do not take this as flaming or harsh criticism...to >each their own. > >There is a professional drummer that works here in my building and I >recently shared some King's X music with him. I also shared your post and >it made him scratch his head. I'm no muscian so it was bit hard to follow >what he said. Nevertheless he was in total disagreement with your thoughts >about Jerry Gaskills drumming. Jerry is very unconventional (guy even >showed my some stuff to explain what that means but again I couldn't follow) >but he is hardly clumsy. He finds Jerry's work to be top notch. I thought he plays like me, which is why I quit. :) I dunno, I listen to the ending (last two minutes) of Track 7 ('67) and I hear a guy who if not clumsy, then is certainly 'awkward.' (That's just the worst example.) And the bass drum/tom sound is total crap. Sound engineer's fault there probably. >Now who the hell is It Bites? KX have been compared to some people mostly >Rush or Queen but I've never heard anybody compare them to that band. Well, they're not infinitely popular like Rush or Queen (the latter would be a particularly bad comparison IMHO, and Rush not so good either). It Bites OTOH is a close comparison I believe. And their drummer wasn't so hot either. :) Anyway, there were on Virgin (UK) and Geffen (US), so I consider them to be *huge*. :) I saw them open for Jethro Tull, and went out and bought 'Eat Me in St. Louis' (yeah, a title as stupid as the band's name). They're all from Cumbria, England, which is the far north where noone lives. :) They put out three albums and an EP, but only that one here in the US. They had a couple famous producers, Steve Hillage and Mack (there's yer Queen reference). I guess 'Calling all the Heroes' was somewhat of a single, but not over here. They broke up around 1992, when Frank Dunnery went solo. He actually had a bit more success over here then, as I remember hearing his first single "American Life in the Summertime" on the radio. That album (but for that decent pop single) was crap IMHO though, and I haven't picked up any future releases. He also was to be seen sharing the stage with one Robert Plant as a 'hired gun' for a time. http://www.mandy.co.uk/it-bites/index.html for more. Keith H. (FAA) From hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET Tue Apr 6 19:05:07 1999 From: hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET (D Witt) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:05:07 -0500 Subject: OFF: Skye Klad Message-ID: For those people near Minneapolis, Skye Klad will be performing this Friday at 7:30pm at the Walker. Eric from Salamander has joined Skye Klad, also they have a new bassist called Moon. Their web site is http://www.skyeklad.com/ I plan on going to the show. From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Apr 6 19:31:07 1999 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:31:07 PDT Subject: BOC: Naz connection Message-ID: Nick English once said..... --------------------------------- I'll ask around. My station being alternative, we never play the good stuff! But I hadn't heard of Nazareth making an impression on any charts. I think that's pretty cool, but is the new music good? Decent rock radio is becoming such a rarity these days. I think the recent wave set in motion by CMC Records could just change that. BOC got a lot of spins around the country in 1998, and that's nothin' short of amazing! Now let's get those Brain Surgeons going... ------------------------------- At first I was nervous when I saw BOC on a label like CMC but it seems like they are doing good things with the bands that sign with them for the most part. Needless to say I was happy to see the new Nazareth album on CMC since their last album (Move Me) was absolutely KILLER and it went nowhere fast and wasn't promoted at all. But yeah, "Boogaloo" is a decent album, with alot of tunes with "hit potential", yet not TOO much. There is a review of it now on my web page (see addie in my signature). It has what I consider one of their all time best songs on it, "God save the south". A real blusey tune, and Nazareth does blues with a twist like no other band I know. I've never heard "light comes down" on the radio, and it blew my mind to see it listed on the charts. If anyone hears it, please let me know!!! Nick again (On Metallica' s ASTRONOMY) -------------------------------- Did you hear it on the radio? I'm dying to hear it myself! I have to tell you, I think their Whiskey in the Jar is just out of this world...and that's coming from a real non-Metallic fan. -------------------------------- A buddy of mine (Crow from this list) made me a super compilation with a bunch of Metallica and a pile of other stuff. Astronomy really is excellent. It has a different feel than BOC, certainly heavier, and I think it's a damn good cover. The only thing I don't like is that they fade it out when it just seems to be gaining speed for a real end of song jam. I agree on "Whiskey........" btw, they really did a decent job with that one as well. Later kids..... Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos *********************************************** Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From flossbac at NLCI.COM Tue Apr 6 21:23:18 1999 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 20:23:18 -0500 Subject: OFF: ozric tentacles Message-ID: For some reason I've recently been getting into Ozric Tentacles very heavily and I'm regretting not buying earlier releases when they were still available. Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the "Vitamin Enhanced" box? John Majka flossbac at nlci.com From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Apr 7 01:41:10 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 01:41:10 EDT Subject: BOC: What is this? Message-ID: I'm selling these items at eBay : Blue Oyster Cult IN MY MOUTH OR ON THE GROUND Item #87184168 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=87184168 Black Sabbath GR'NDLEPOL live vinyl lp Item #87185358 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=87185358 RV From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 7 07:29:02 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:29:02 +0100 Subject: OFF: ozric tentacles In-Reply-To: flossbac's message of Tue, 6 Apr 1999 20:23:18 -0500 Message-ID: flossbac writes: > For some reason I've recently been getting into Ozric Tentacles very heavily > and I'm regretting not buying earlier releases when they were still > available. Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the "Vitamin > Enhanced" box? > John Majka > flossbac at nlci.com I'm not sure if you can still get it intact since most distributors seem to have split it up and sold each CD separately. I've heard that this is because a certain breakfast cereal company objected to Ozrics using similar packaging but I've also heard that this story was simply invented as a marketing play to explain why the package was being split up. At any rate - I've seen the individual items on sale fairly recently but not the packaging. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 7 07:37:12 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:37:12 +0100 Subject: HW: Xenon (Zenon) the Magician Message-ID: I will do ANYTHING not get have to get out of bed in the morning - even to the extent of reading articles in the Arts Sections of out of date Guardian newspapers..... Like I said. Anything! Anyhow - I came across an article that mentioned this guy in connection with Hawkwind. Before I start quoting large chunks of it can I just enquire whether anyone has seen/heard of him as a support act to Hawkwind at the Hammersmith Odeon? Perhaps around Xenon Codex time - judging from the name. His real name is Paul Collins if that's of any help. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Apr 7 07:58:44 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:58:44 +0100 Subject: OFF: Mick Farren Message-ID: Well, it's a deviant kind of day so far, because in separate deliveries I received the limited-edition clear vinyl 7" of "Gunfire in the Night" (and a nice version it is too) c/w "Touched by the Fire" (otherwise unavailable), together with an *even more* limited edition in black vinyl!; *and* _The CIA Files: Secrets of "The Company"_, yes, kids, a picture book about the agency you love to hate... - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Apr 7 08:12:06 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:12:06 +0100 Subject: OFF: Mick Farren Message-ID: On ons 7 apr 1999 12.58 +0100 "Andy Gilham" wrote: > Well, it's a deviant kind of day so far, because in separate deliveries I > received the limited-edition clear vinyl 7" of "Gunfire in the Night" (and a > nice version it is too) c/w "Touched by the Fire" (otherwise unavailable), > together with an *even more* limited edition in black vinyl!; *and* _The CIA > Files: Secrets of "The Company"_, yes, kids, a picture book about the agency > you love to hate... And because I found a used copy of the Pink Fairies' BBC sessions disc cheap in London yesterday :) Cheers, Carl ObTrack: "The Snake" -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Apr 7 09:06:42 1999 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (denizen of chaos) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:06:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: ozric tentacles In-Reply-To: <000701be8095$388b7aa0$c76040ce@pavilion> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Apr 1999, flossbac wrote: :Subject: OFF: ozric tentacles : :For some reason I've recently been getting into Ozric Tentacles very heavily :and I'm regretting not buying earlier releases when they were still :available. Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the "Vitamin :Enhanced" box? :John Majka :flossbac at nlci.com John, I've seen copies at Chicago Digital, but I've not been there for a bit, and don't know if they do still. (They are reachable at (708) 383-1870). (I've got tape copies of these....off a friend who got the vitamin box at the gig they did here in chicago....) Arin ---hellhound shelter--------------------------------------------------- the denizen of chaos | denizen at pobox.com aka Arin Komins | http://www.pobox.com/~denizen/ ------------------------------------------------searching for satori--- From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Apr 7 10:49:27 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:49:27 -0400 Subject: OFF: Stoner alert Message-ID: Hi Folks... Last minute heads up. (Oh, I was wrong about this band. T.T. Blues is a really good CD.) Orange Goblin (UK): Wed April 7 Cheltenham - The Attic Thurs April 8 Chelmsford - Army & Navy Sat April 10 Bradford - Rio's Also, the Fu Manchu spinoff (Glass/Abshire/Romano) are still on tour. Nebula final US dates 4-16 Seattle, WA The Crocodile Club w/ Nashville Pussy 4-23 San Francisco, CA The Covered Wagon w/ Lost Goat Nebula UK tour Date town venue info 4/30, NL, Groningen, Simplon w/ Unida 5/1, NL, Hengolo, Metropol w/ Unida 5/2, Frankfurt, Nachtleben w/ Unida 5/3, Erlangen / Schweinfurt, Tbc 5/4, M?nchen, Alabama Halle w/ Unida 5/5, A, Salzburg, Tbc 5/6, A, Wien, Arena w/ Unida 5/7, CH, Z?rich , Luv w/ Unida 5/8, CH, Genf , Usine w/ Unida 5/9, Lahr , Universal Dog w/ Unida 5/10, Stuttgart , R?hre w/ Unida 5/12, Luxemburg, Tbc 5/13, Koblenz Supp'Kultur , w/ Unida 5/14, Bielefeld , Tba Subway Festival 5/15, K?ln Geb?ude 9 , Sbway Festival 5/16, Hamburg , Logo w Unida 5/17, Berlin / Rostock , 5/18, Erfurt Petersberg , w/ Unida 5/19, Leipzig, Tba 5/20, Jena, Tba 5/21, Marburg , KSZ 5/22, NL, Eindhoven , Dynamo Dynamo Festival 5/23, BL, Nijdrop, Tba 5/24, NL, Eindhoven , Effenaar w/ Unida 5/25, GB, Birmingham, Tba 5/26, GB, Bristol, Tba 5/27, GB, London, Tba Keith H. (FAA) From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Apr 7 14:28:08 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:28:08 +0100 Subject: Kaleidoscope (Slight Return) Message-ID: Well, no closer to the 'Tangerine Dream' naming mystery. The following is from Kaleidoscope singer, Peter Daltrey's, homepage: "On a six date promotional tour we met up a couple of times with Jeff Lynne`s protopunk outfit, the Idle Race. Our first live gig after this was at Reading University and the following week our first album was released. Don`t ask me where the name came from because I don`t remember. We came up with the name, but you tell me when that other shower were born; did they nick the monicker?" the homepage is at http://home.clara.net/chelsea and nuff spec to Shindig magazine for the interview and URL. For those of you with Freakbeat/R'n'B/Garage/Psych/Mod leanings i can't reccomend this zine enough: 100 pages of A4 coolness for ?3.50 + p&p (and no, i don't have anything to do with it :-) If you're interested then try Mojo at shindig at lineone.net au revoir andrew Two vicars are grappling, One pulls a Boston crab -The Fire Dept. From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Wed Apr 7 14:44:34 1999 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:44:34 +0100 Subject: HW: Xenon (Zenon) the Magician Message-ID: Mentionis made of Zenon appearing with HW as far as '82 by Brian Tawn in the 'Approved History of Hawkwind' booklet that came with the Anthology series pic discs. I've seen this guy live myself a few times (Glastonbury cabaret stage, maybe?) and wondered if it was the same guy. I seem to recall that he does a sort of comedy/magic routine and was rather good. Nick -----Original Message----- From: J Strobridge To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 07 April 1999 12:35 Subject: HW: Xenon (Zenon) the Magician >Anyhow - I came across an article that mentioned this guy in connection >with Hawkwind. Before I start quoting large chunks of it can I just >enquire whether anyone has seen/heard of him as a support act to >Hawkwind at the Hammersmith Odeon? Perhaps around Xenon Codex time - >judging from the name. From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Apr 7 15:23:29 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:23:29 -0500 Subject: OFF: Catching Up Fast Message-ID: Now who the hell is It Bites? KX have been compared to some people mostly >Rush or Queen but I've never heard anybody compare them to that band. >Well, they're not infinitely popular like Rush or Queen (the latter would be a particularly bad comparison IMHO, and Rush not so good either). It Bites OTOH is a close comparison I believe. And their drummer wasn't so hot either. :) Ya, admittedly the comparisons to Rush and Queen are more prevalent with the first four albums, all of which were produced by Sam Taylor. Lots of vocal harmonies (Queen) with Rush's propensity for timing changes. After the band split with Taylor the rest of the catolog changed rather dramatically. Some of which you point out about Jerry Gaskills playing is what this drummer was telling me, few if anybody, plays drums the way Jerry does. >Anyway, there were on Virgin (UK) and Geffen (US), so I consider them to be *huge*. :) I saw them open for Jethro Tull, and went out and bought 'Eat Me in St. Louis' (yeah, a title as stupid as the band's name). They're all from Cumbria, England, which is the far north where noone lives. :) They put out three albums and an EP, but only that one here in the US. They had a couple famous producers, Steve Hillage and Mack (there's yer Queen reference). I guess 'Calling all the Heroes' was somewhat of a single, but not over here. They broke up around 1992, when Frank Dunnery went solo. He actually had a bit more success over here then, as I remember hearing his first single "American Life in the Summertime" on the radio. That album (but for that decent pop single) was crap IMHO though, and I haven't picked up any future releases. He also was to be seen sharing the stage with one Robert Plant as a 'hired gun' for a time. Ok their still not ringing a bell at all, but I can probably say that about a 100 European bands. Some that I have heard in the last five years or so have been quite good (Threshold, Pink Cream 69, Pretty Maids, Helloween etc.,) Guess obscure in USA or in Europe is still obscure. Thanks for the info. Ghost in the Ruins NP - Gary Hoey: Hocus Pocus Live **************************************************************************** Gov't Mule and friends - "Four guitars, two pianos, two drummers, a lone loping bass and a wailing saxaphone riding high towards the span of the Roxy's proscenium arch. This circle of of virtuoso, anitheros and provocateurs restored the Spirit to rock & roll through collective dialogue." - Kandia Crazy Horse [2/1/99] **************************************************************************** From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Apr 7 15:33:20 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:33:20 -0700 Subject: OFF: Metallica Message-ID: >A buddy of mine (Crow from this list) made me a super compilation with a bunch of Metallica and a pile of other stuff. Astronomy really is excellent. It has a different feel than BOC, certainly heavier, and I think it's a damn good cover. The only thing I don't like is that they fade it out when it just seems to be gaining speed for a real end of song jam. I agree on "Whiskey........" btw, they really did a decent job with that one as well. I've said many, many times in the past that I am not a big fan of Metallica. Some of the stuff I had heard was OK, some downright good, but overall I couldn't begin to imagine what all the hype was about. Not sure when this happened but 98Rock from Baltimore can now be heard where I live and thats a least a 100 miles from B'more. This is a good heavy rock station; they refrian from alternative and give you a ton of classic and current heavy music. One of the things they do every hour is"mandatory Metallica". No Enter Sandman or Turn the Page, they play a lot of the classic stuff. Listening to this blistering number the other day I thought "damn that kinda sounds like Metallica but it really rocks and its so, so, so damned fast." To my surprise it was, something from Master of Puppets I believe. Huge difference in Metallica then and now. I kinda like the "then". Maybe I'll reassess these guys by getting one of the older releases and then Garage Inc as a comparison. Anybody got a classic Metallica recommendation? One other question, can anybody tell me the name of that new single by Rob Zombie? Sounds like an interesting mix of Metal and industrial, it sure has a great beat. Was midly surprised to hear that song as part of the soundtrack to the Matrix. Hey Rob may be a poser but I bet he gets big on the dance circuit. Thanks in advance. Ghost in the Ruins **************************************************************************** Gov't Mule and friends - "Four guitars, two pianos, two drummers, a lone loping bass and a wailing saxaphone riding high towards the span of the Roxy's proscenium arch. This circle of of virtuoso, anitheros and provocateurs restored the Spirit to rock & roll through collective dialogue." - Kandia Crazy Horse [2/1/99] **************************************************************************** From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Wed Apr 7 15:42:07 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 15:42:07 -0400 Subject: Metallica Message-ID: "Living Dead Girl" was the last Zombie tune that I heard. > ---------- > From: BREVARD, Adrian R.[SMTP:abrevard at SHL.COM] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 1999 3:33 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: OFF: Metallica > > >A buddy of mine (Crow from this list) made me a super compilation with a > bunch of Metallica and a pile of other stuff. Astronomy really is > excellent. It has a different feel than BOC, certainly heavier, and I > think it's a damn good cover. The only thing I don't like is that they > fade it out when it just seems to be gaining speed for a real end of > song jam. I agree on "Whiskey........" btw, they really did a decent job > with that one as well. > > I've said many, many times in the past that I am not a big fan of > Metallica. > Some of the stuff I had heard was OK, some downright good, but overall I > couldn't begin to imagine what all the hype was about. Not sure when this > happened but 98Rock from Baltimore can now be heard where I live and thats > a > least a 100 miles from B'more. This is a good heavy rock station; they > refrian from alternative and give you a ton of classic and current heavy > music. One of the things they do every hour is"mandatory Metallica". No > Enter Sandman or Turn the Page, they play a lot of the classic stuff. > Listening to this blistering number the other day I thought "damn that > kinda > sounds like Metallica but it really rocks and its so, so, so damned fast." > To my surprise it was, something from Master of Puppets I believe. > > Huge difference in Metallica then and now. I kinda like the "then". > Maybe > I'll reassess these guys by getting one of the older releases and then > Garage Inc as a comparison. Anybody got a classic Metallica > recommendation? > > One other question, can anybody tell me the name of that new single by Rob > Zombie? Sounds like an interesting mix of Metal and industrial, it sure > has > a great beat. Was midly surprised to hear that song as part of the > soundtrack to the Matrix. Hey Rob may be a poser but I bet he gets big on > the dance circuit. > > Thanks in advance. > > Ghost in the Ruins > > ************************************************************************** > ** > Gov't Mule and friends - "Four guitars, two pianos, two drummers, a lone > loping bass and a wailing saxaphone riding high towards the span of the > Roxy's proscenium arch. This circle of of virtuoso, anitheros and > provocateurs restored the Spirit to rock & roll through collective > dialogue." - Kandia Crazy Horse [2/1/99] > ************************************************************************** > ** > From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Apr 7 15:50:48 1999 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 12:50:48 PDT Subject: BOC: gig & stuff Message-ID: Folks: Theo said: --------------------- Torgo, are you going? Brian, I KNOW you're going... Anyone else? Seems kind of pricey for a BOC show, but I guess we have to pay extra for those 2 'special guests?' -------------------- Sadly I will not be making this gig. I do plan on doing whatever I have to do to catch one SOON though!!! Oh, and one more thing. The other day I said this........ -------------------- >> One last thing, I heard Metallica's version of Astronomy yesterday for >> the first time (Thanks Crow, you rock bro), and my 2 cents is that it's >> probably the best cover ever done of a BOC song. I love it!! ------------------- Of course that is not including any BRAIN SURGEONS covers of BOC songs, because I don't really consider tBS versions "covers". IMHO tBS is another incarnation of BOC, and therefore it's just a different version of almost the same band doing a BOC song. I mean, AL wrote most of them, how can I possibly call his version a "cover"? So, tBS not included, Metallica's Astronomy is easily the best BOC cover I heva ever heard, bar none. Later........ Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos *********************************************** _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Apr 7 16:02:23 1999 From: COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Trance Trousers) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:02:23 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind - Collector series (Question) Message-ID: I've just been listening to some of my old Hawkwind vinyl, namely "The Hawkwind Collection" on castle communications double vinyl printed in 1986. When I came across a live version of quark,strangeness and charm with Bob Calvert on vocals does anyone out there know where this is from and if there are any more recordings on CD,vinyl etc of any more songs from this gig? Thanks! colm "My ass may be dumb but I ain't no dumbass" From deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET Wed Apr 7 16:02:41 1999 From: deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET (Aaron Crandall) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:02:41 -0600 Subject: OFF: Metallica Message-ID: Metallica is like two bands in one. There's the "old" Metallica and the "new" Metallica. I've found that most people (including myself) who like the "old" Metallica do not care for the new stuff, and vice versa. As far as classical "old" Metallica....anything before Enter Sandman is good (in other words, their first 4 albums -- Kill Em All, Ride the Lightening, Master of Puppets, ...And Justice for All). If you liked what you heard from Master... then I'd definitely recommend picking that one up. You won't be disappointed. Aaron -----Original Message----- From: BREVARD, Adrian R. To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Wednesday, April 07, 1999 1:40 PM Subject: OFF: Metallica >>A buddy of mine (Crow from this list) made me a super compilation with a >bunch of Metallica and a pile of other stuff. Astronomy really is >excellent. It has a different feel than BOC, certainly heavier, and I >think it's a damn good cover. The only thing I don't like is that they >fade it out when it just seems to be gaining speed for a real end of >song jam. I agree on "Whiskey........" btw, they really did a decent job >with that one as well. > >I've said many, many times in the past that I am not a big fan of Metallica. >Some of the stuff I had heard was OK, some downright good, but overall I >couldn't begin to imagine what all the hype was about. Not sure when this >happened but 98Rock from Baltimore can now be heard where I live and thats a >least a 100 miles from B'more. This is a good heavy rock station; they >refrian from alternative and give you a ton of classic and current heavy >music. One of the things they do every hour is"mandatory Metallica". No >Enter Sandman or Turn the Page, they play a lot of the classic stuff. >Listening to this blistering number the other day I thought "damn that kinda >sounds like Metallica but it really rocks and its so, so, so damned fast." >To my surprise it was, something from Master of Puppets I believe. > >Huge difference in Metallica then and now. I kinda like the "then". Maybe >I'll reassess these guys by getting one of the older releases and then >Garage Inc as a comparison. Anybody got a classic Metallica recommendation? > >One other question, can anybody tell me the name of that new single by Rob >Zombie? Sounds like an interesting mix of Metal and industrial, it sure has >a great beat. Was midly surprised to hear that song as part of the >soundtrack to the Matrix. Hey Rob may be a poser but I bet he gets big on >the dance circuit. > >Thanks in advance. > >Ghost in the Ruins > >*************************************************************************** * >Gov't Mule and friends - "Four guitars, two pianos, two drummers, a lone >loping bass and a wailing saxaphone riding high towards the span of the >Roxy's proscenium arch. This circle of of virtuoso, anitheros and >provocateurs restored the Spirit to rock & roll through collective >dialogue." - Kandia Crazy Horse [2/1/99] >*************************************************************************** * > From mordru at FLITE.NET Wed Apr 7 16:55:35 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 16:55:35 -0400 Subject: Golden Void '69-'79 Message-ID: "extensive liner notes" proclaims the cover. 2 discs, $14.95. "interview w/ Brock" is the last track. Worth it? BTW, Jill, apologies, it's on its way again wadded inside aluminum foil. It has apparently been residing amongst the mess on the floor of my car. I wouldn't think of purchasing this until I take care of current obligations. ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From corwyn at GLOBAL2000.NET Wed Apr 7 17:05:16 1999 From: corwyn at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 17:05:16 -0400 Subject: Kaleidoscope (Slight Return) Message-ID: Since Edgar Frose made up the name for his group in the late 60's after hanging with Salvadore Dali I would be interested in the timing. Like many "great" inventions perhaps the two usage's sprang up independently andrew wrote: > Well, no closer to the 'Tangerine Dream' naming mystery. The following is > from Kaleidoscope singer, Peter Daltrey's, homepage: > > "On a six date promotional tour we met up a couple of times with Jeff > Lynne`s protopunk outfit, the Idle Race. Our first live gig after this was > at Reading University and the following week our first album was released. > Don`t ask me where the name came from because I don`t remember. We came up > with the name, but you tell me when that other shower were born; did they > nick the monicker?" > > the homepage is at http://home.clara.net/chelsea > > and nuff spec to Shindig magazine for the interview and URL. For those of > you with Freakbeat/R'n'B/Garage/Psych/Mod leanings i can't reccomend this > zine enough: 100 pages of A4 coolness for ?3.50 + p&p (and no, i don't have > anything to do with it :-) If you're interested then try Mojo at > shindig at lineone.net > > au revoir > > andrew > > Two vicars are grappling, > One pulls a Boston crab > -The Fire Dept. From COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Apr 7 18:48:11 1999 From: COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Feel the panic !!!!!!) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 23:48:11 +0100 Subject: Elf & The Hawk - what is ths? Message-ID: I was just looking through fronstage an online cd,vinyl store http://www.frontstage.com/ and i spotted an album by hawkwind called "Elf and the Hawk" on black widow records its priced at ?30 and states that it has unreleased material. Has anyone out there heard of it and knows whats on it? cheers colm "My ass may be dumb but I ain't no dumbass" From COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Apr 7 18:51:28 1999 From: COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Feel the panic !!!!!!) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 23:51:28 +0100 Subject: Elf & The Hawk - what is ths? Message-ID: I've just seen the cd for ?10! colm "My ass may be dumb but I ain't no dumbass" -----Original Message----- From: Feel the panic !!!!!! To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Date: 07 April 1999 23:48 Subject: Elf & The Hawk - what is ths? >I was just looking through fronstage an online cd,vinyl store >http://www.frontstage.com/ and i spotted an album by hawkwind called "Elf >and the Hawk" on black widow records its priced at ?30 and states that it >has unreleased material. Has anyone out there heard of it and knows whats on >it? > >cheers > >colm > >"My ass may be dumb but I ain't no dumbass" > > > From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Apr 7 20:05:44 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 01:05:44 +0100 Subject: OFF: Metallica Message-ID: On ons 7 apr 1999 14.02 -0600 "Aaron Crandall" wrote: > Metallica is like two bands in one. There's the "old" Metallica and the > "new" Metallica. I've found that most people (including myself) who like the > "old" Metallica do not care for the new stuff, and vice versa. > As far as classical "old" Metallica....anything before Enter Sandman is good > (in other words, their first 4 albums -- Kill Em All, Ride the Lightening, > Master of Puppets, ...And Justice for All). If you liked what you heard from > Master... then I'd definitely recommend picking that one up. You won't be > disappointed. Just to buck the trend ... :) I don't much like _Kill 'Em All_ but do like the black album (but don't like Load/Reload, but do like the new covers disc). _But_ :) I think my favorite is _Ride the Lightening_ (largely for "Creeping Death" :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Apr 7 20:12:22 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 01:12:22 +0100 Subject: Elf & The Hawk - what is ths? Message-ID: On ons 7 apr 1999 23.48 +0100 "Feel the panic !!!!!!" wrote: > I was just looking through fronstage an online cd,vinyl store > http://www.frontstage.com/ and i spotted an album by hawkwind called "Elf > and the Hawk" on black widow records its priced at ?30 and states that it > has unreleased material. Has anyone out there heard of it and knows whats on > it? A rather mixed bag--some stuff from the old Alan Davey "The Elf" EP, and the Hawkfan 12" and ... some other stuff with other random bands! Semi- "friends and relations" kinda feel. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Apr 7 20:15:23 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 01:15:23 +0100 Subject: OFF: Catching Up Fast Message-ID: On ons 7 apr 1999 14.23 -0500 "BREVARD, Adrian R." wrote: > Now who the hell is It Bites? Ah, didn't they have Franicis Dunnery, or whoever, in? I saw them open for Tull in the US in '89. I wasn't overly impressed, I have to say. They were solid enough, but didn't really stand out. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Apr 6 18:57:18 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:57:18 +0100 Subject: HW/OFF: Moorcock/Matthews Calenders In-Reply-To: Message-ID: 's funny this coming up just now - I bought one of these at the time, & I was wondering if I still had it stashed away somewhere. I remember one night having had some mescaline (I think) having to take it off the wall 'coz the dragon on that month's page was moving around WAAAAY too much for comfort!!!! Cheers, ChrisW ObCDs: The Desert Sessions i/ii & iii/iv Free your mind & watch your ass! From ted at ALGER.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Apr 7 20:29:40 1999 From: ted at ALGER.DEMON.CO.UK (Ted Alger) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 01:29:40 +0100 Subject: OFF: Metallica In-Reply-To: <63A955F33941D111A68800805F3198E15A4615@ws30989.mcit.com> Message-ID: Ghost said: > Not sure when this >happened but 98Rock from Baltimore can now be heard where I live and thats a >least a 100 miles from B'more. This is a good heavy rock station; they >refrian from alternative and give you a ton of classic and current heavy >music. One of the things they do every hour is"mandatory Metallica". No >Enter Sandman or Turn the Page, they play a lot of the classic stuff. >Listening to this blistering number the other day I thought "damn that kinda >sounds like Metallica but it really rocks and its so, so, so damned fast." >To my surprise it was, something from Master of Puppets I believe. > they must have had one heck of a format change... because when I left Baltimore last year about all they were playing was "alternative"..... Pearl Jam, Foo Fighters, Soundgarden... every hour almost like clock work...heck I couldn't even get them to play King's X when they were in town and the station was giving away tickets to the show! >Huge difference in Metallica then and now. I kinda like the "then". Maybe >I'll reassess these guys by getting one of the older releases and then >Garage Inc as a comparison. Anybody got a classic Metallica recommendation? > I like "Ride the Lightning" myself... but if you really want to get classic I suppose I could pull out my copy of "No Life Til Leather"..... just for the ol' Mustaine influence (and the bad lyrics on "Mechanix" and "Jump In The Fire") Ted From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Apr 7 21:07:33 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:07:33 EDT Subject: Kaleidoscope (Slight Return) Message-ID: In a message dated 99-04-07 17:05:48 EDT, you write: << Since Edgar Frose made up the name for his group in the late 60's after hanging with Salvadore Dali I would be interested in the timing. Like many "great" inventions perhaps the two usage's sprang up independently >> ---Dave Thompson in the book "Space Daze" says they took the name from Beatles' reference to "tangerine trees" in "Lucy in the Sky..." and decided to exchange the "trees" w/"dream"... ...but then Thompson is sort of a wank anyway. Chuck From Hawktales at AOL.COM Wed Apr 7 21:25:15 1999 From: Hawktales at AOL.COM (- Anonymous) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:25:15 EDT Subject: Elf & The Hawk - what is ths? Message-ID: I have the album and the cd - if you would like to e-mail me. Jim Collins From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Apr 7 20:43:31 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 20:43:31 -0400 Subject: Elf & The Hawk/Ozrics Message-ID: >Jim Collins Hi Jim...when did you show up?? Just heard about the Ozrics tour...May 14th in Baltimore is the only show I've seen confirmed. Any more news? Keith H. (FAA) From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Apr 7 22:19:13 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 03:19:13 +0100 Subject: Kaleidoscope (Slight Return) In-Reply-To: <4d8adced.243d5b55@aol.com> Message-ID: ><< Since Edgar Frose made up the name for his group in the late 60's after >hanging > with Salvadore Dali I would be interested in the timing. Like many "great" > inventions perhaps the two usage's sprang up independently > >> > >---Dave Thompson in the book "Space Daze" says they took the name from >Beatles' reference to "tangerine trees" in "Lucy in the Sky..." and decided >to exchange the "trees" w/"dream"... >...but then Thompson is sort of a wank anyway. The date for the Kaleidoscope release was the 24th November 1967, but they probably thought it up some time before that; the L.i.t.S.w.D. influence is the common source iwould put my my money on. andrew From john.m.gray at CWIX.COM Wed Apr 7 23:37:55 1999 From: john.m.gray at CWIX.COM (John Gray) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 20:37:55 -0700 Subject: Elf & The Hawk - what is ths? Message-ID: Jim, Could you please reserve an LP for me, as I recall it was $20. but I may be wrong, please let me know the price, what type of payment you prefer, and where to send it. Thanks, John ----- Original Message ----- From: - Anonymous To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 1999 18:25 Subject: Re: Elf & The Hawk - what is ths? > I have the album and the cd - if you would like to e-mail me. > > Jim Collins From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Thu Apr 8 01:39:09 1999 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 07:39:09 +0200 Subject: AW: Hawkwind - Collector series (Question) Message-ID: Hi there >I've just been listening to some of my old Hawkwind vinyl, namely "The >Hawkwind Collection" on castle communications double vinyl printed in 1986. >When I came across a live version of quark,strangeness and charm with Bob >Calvert on vocals does anyone out there know where this is from I am not 100% sure but I belive it is from STONEHENGE 1977 FESTIVAL >and if there are any more recordings on CD,vinyl etc of any more songs from this gig? Yes, on one of the WEIRD tapes Bernhard From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Apr 8 01:33:45 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 05:33:45 +0000 Subject: OFF: Metallica Message-ID: > >One other question, can anybody tell me the name of that new single by Rob > >Zombie? Sounds like an interesting mix of Metal and industrial, it sure > has That's probably "Dragula", named after Granpa's car from "The Munsters". It is a pretty cool song. -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Apr 8 01:33:45 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 05:33:45 +0000 Subject: BOC: News? Message-ID: Saw this on the HardRadio website: >>BLUE OYSTER CULT's self-titled debut (1972) and Tyranny And Mutation (1973) will be released on a 2-on-1 CD through Mobile Fidelity Gold Disc soon. As well, sources say that Net fans have been asked by Sony to choose 16 tracks for a new compilation called Greatest Hits, due out in June. Finally, B.O.C. album will be out in 2000 through CMC (US) and and SPV (Europe)...<< If you haven't seen HardRadio yet, I highly recommend it. It's at www.hardradio.com. Tons of metal news, interviews, concerts and happenings, plus RA files of lots of current tunes. Plus, there's a 24-hour internet radio station, no commercials, no disc jockeys: just wall-to-wall new and classic heavy metal rock and roll. -- Nick From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Thu Apr 8 06:02:00 1999 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:02:00 +0100 Subject: Kaleidoscope (Slight Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1999-04-08 11:02 >The date for the Kaleidoscope release was the 24th November 1967, but they >probably thought it up some time before that; the L.i.t.S.w.D. influence is >the common source iwould put my my money on. >andrew Just as a foot note, Edgar Froese has since denied this connection. He probably can't remember himself either which is why this little mystery is perpetuated. Still, like the origin of Hawkwind, its interesting to speculate. Mark From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 8 06:21:00 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:21:00 +0100 Subject: [Maitland Young: Hawkwind trivia] Message-ID: Can anyone help with this? FoFP ---- Start of forwarded text ---- > To: "Mike Holmes" > Subject: Hawkwind trivia > Ok Mike > > Here's a Hawkwind trivia question for you...... > > When did Hawkwind Play for Gray's Art School in Aberdeen? > > What was the Venue? > > What was the date?........ > > What did they play, and what did they wear..? > > cos my pal Keith did the art work for > the publicity poster..... and get this... He still has the original art = > work! ---- End of forwarded text ---- From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 8 06:37:09 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:37:09 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind - Collector series (Question) In-Reply-To: Trance Trousers's message of Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:02:23 +0100 Message-ID: Trance Trousers writes: > I've just been listening to some of my old Hawkwind vinyl, namely "The > Hawkwind Collection" on castle communications double vinyl printed in 1986. > When I came across a live version of quark,strangeness and charm with Bob > Calvert on vocals does anyone out there know where this is from 22.06.77 Stonehenge Festival > and if there > are any more recordings on CD,vinyl etc of any more songs from this gig? >From the Weird Tapes: W102 Quark Strangeness and Charm W102 Master of the Universe W102 The Future W102 Spirit of the Age W102 Sonic Attack W103 High Rise W103 Damnation Alley W103 Uncle Sam/Iron Dream W103 Robot > colm FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 8 06:39:09 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:39:09 +0100 Subject: Elf & The Hawk - what is ths? In-Reply-To: Feel the panic !!!!!!'s message of Wed, 7 Apr 1999 23:48:11 +0100 Message-ID: Feel the panic !!!!!! writes: > I was just looking through fronstage an online cd,vinyl store > http://www.frontstage.com/ and i spotted an album by hawkwind called "Elf > and the Hawk" on black widow records its priced at ?30 and states that it > has unreleased material. Has anyone out there heard of it and knows whats on > it? It's the Brian Tawn Hawkfan 12" plus the Alan Davey 2x7" EP with some extra tracks. 1999 The Elf and the Hawk * Produced by Brian Tawn of "Hawkfan" Countdown Ejection The Human Race (Dark Empire) Synprovisation (Syndrome) Ghost Dance Tale of the Entropy Tango (Deep Fix and Brian Tawn) Aimless Flight (Underground Zero) Burn Me Up (Dave Brock) Solar Gig (Alan Davey) Cosmic Dawn (Alan Davey) Chinese Whispers (Alan Davey) Ode To A Bass Assassin (Alan Davey) The Switch (Don't Touch...) (Alan Davey) Fractal Hunter (Alan Davey) Space Rock (Alan Davey) Spirit of the Age (PXR1) Nasca Lines (PXR1) Sonic Bird (PXR1) FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 8 06:42:36 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:42:36 +0100 Subject: Codex Error found. Message-ID: I was adding the Golden Void CD to the Codex when I found an error with the entry for Earth Calling. I'll be sorting this out soon. FoFP From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 8 07:57:52 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:57:52 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind - Collector series (Question) In-Reply-To: Trance Trousers's message of Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:02:23 +0100 Message-ID: Trance Trousers writes: > I've just been listening to some of my old Hawkwind vinyl, namely "The > Hawkwind Collection" on castle communications double vinyl printed in 1986. > When I came across a live version of quark,strangeness and charm with Bob > Calvert on vocals does anyone out there know where this is from and if there > are any more recordings on CD,vinyl etc of any more songs from this gig? > Thanks! >From the Codex: version 2 is the one you are looking for. Quark, Strangeness, and Charm 1 Quark Strangeness And Charm 1 Quark, Strangeness, and Charm/ The Forge of Vulcan 7" 1 Quark, Strangeness, and Charm/ The Iron Dream 7" 1 Repeat Performance 1 Rock On - with Hawkwind and Van Der Graaf Generator 1 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 1 Tales From Atom Henge 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/ Hawklords L 2 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II L 2 Acid Daze Vol. II L 2 Castle Masters Collection L 2 The Hawkwind Collection L 2 Ironstrike L 2 Masters of The Universe [ Marble Arch Rock CD] L 2 Best of Hawkwind L 2 Space Is Deep L 2 Master of the Universe [Pulse CD] L 3 Theta Orionis [bootleg CD] L 3 a Rock City 4 Quark Strangeness and Charm CD single L 4 a The Business Trip * Versions 3 and 3a are from the same tour * 4a is the single mix with added audience noise at the end ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Apr 8 10:33:07 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 07:33:07 -0700 Subject: OFF: Metallica Message-ID: >Metallica is like two bands in one. There's the "old" Metallica and the "new" Metallica. I've found that most people (including myself) who like the "old" Metallica do not care for the new stuff, and vice versa. Shades of Savatage! All the early stuff is balls to the walls metal, while the recent stuff is more symphonic and progressive. I heard the current before the classic and like both. >As far as classical "old" Metallica....anything before Enter Sandman is good (in other words, their first 4 albums -- Kill Em All, Ride the Lightening, Master of Puppets, ...And Justice for All). If you liked what you heard from Master... then I'd definitely recommend picking that one up. You won't be disappointed. OK I'll admit when I first heard Enter Sandman I liked it, I really did. Never heard much else off that album though. The stuff 98 Rock been playing seems to be all classic. Speedy, heavy stuff that sounds quite good on them. MoP looks like a good place to start. > Not sure when this happened but 98Rock from Baltimore can now be heard where I live and thats a >least a 100 miles from B'more. >they must have had one heck of a format change... because when I left Baltimore last year about all they were playing was "alternative"..... Pearl Jam, Foo Fighters, Soundgarden... every hour almost like clock work...heck I couldn't even get them to play King's X when they were in town and the station was giving away tickets to the show! I've spent a lot of time in the car lately and now have them pre-set. You'd be amazed. For example this weekend I heard the Rob Zombie song three times (early morning, mid-afternoon and early evening). On each occassion they followed up immediately with Pink Floyd songs. They have a hairband block on Saturday or Sunday night (forget which). How much have they changed? When's the last time you have heard Queensryche's Empire followed by Ted Nugent's Wango Tango? As for KX I don't know what the deal is with radio stations, they will not play this band (nor Savatage BTW). I bet an urban format station will play King's X before a rock one. >I like "Ride the Lightning" myself... but if you really want to get classic I suppose I could pull out my copy of "No Life Til Leather"..... just for the ol' Mustaine influence (and the bad lyrics on "Mechanix" and "Jump In The Fire") Mustaine? Mustaine? Is he the guy that leads Megadeth? Any live recordings by these guys (Metallica)? Thanks for the recommendations. Ghost in the Ruins Its classic BOC thursday... NP: Tyranny and Mutation STBP: Secret Treaties From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Thu Apr 8 10:41:01 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 16:41:01 +0200 Subject: [Maitland Young: Hawkwind trivia] In-Reply-To: <199904081021.LAA23859@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi >> When did Hawkwind Play for Gray's Art School in Aberdeen? Here are all ABERDEEN shows I know: TOWN: HALL: DATE: DAY: Aberdeen Music Hall 19.12.73 Wed Aberdeen Capitol 24.02.84 Fri Aberdeen Capitol 22.10.82 Fri Aberdeen Capitol 22.09.76 Wed Aberdeen Capitol 19.11.85 Tue Aberdeen Cowdray Hall 08.12.71 Wed Aberdeen Music Hall 24.11.72 Fri Bernhard From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 8 10:52:15 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 15:52:15 +0100 Subject: Earth Calling amendment Message-ID: The codex entry for this now reads as below. We'd mistakenly put version 2 as a cut of version 1 when it's clearly from a separate gig in 1972. Now for bonus points, does anyone have any idea what gig or roughly when in 1972 this might have been? Earth Calling L 1 BBC Transcription Disc LP L 1 Space Rock From London L 1 a BBC Radio - Live in Concert CD L 2 Weird 106 - Hawkwind 1970-73 L 2 a Friends And Relations II (Twice Upon A Time) L 2 a Hawkwind Friends And Relations - The Rarities CD L 2 a Golden Void 1969 -79 CD L 2 b British Tribal Music L 2 b Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] L 2 b The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II L 2 b The Hawkwind Anthology 1967-1982 [Castle 2CD] L 2 b Acid Daze Vol. II L 2 b The Hawkwind Collection L 2 b Best of Hawkwind L 2 b Live & Rare (Onward Flies the Bird) L 2 b Master of the Universe [Pulse CD] L 2 b Silver Machine CD [Hallmark compilation] L 3 Space Ritual Alive L 3 Stasis CD * 1a is an edit of 1 * 2a is a cut of 2 * 2b is a cut of 2a From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Apr 8 11:04:43 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:04:43 EDT Subject: OFF: FREE MP3 PLAYER DOWNLOAD Message-ID: music via "mp3's" is pretty trendy these days....tons o' free music out there to download; most likely hawkwind/BOC as well... i'm just getting started w/this but here, here's a site for a free download of an "audioactive" mp3 player.. MP3 PLAYER "<>" larry b From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 8 11:08:45 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 16:08:45 +0100 Subject: [Maitland Young: Hawkwind trivia] In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Thu, 8 Apr 1999 16:41:01 +0200 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hi > > >> When did Hawkwind Play for Gray's Art School in Aberdeen? > > > Here are all ABERDEEN shows I know: > > TOWN: HALL: DATE: DAY: > Aberdeen Music Hall 19.12.73 Wed > Aberdeen Capitol 24.02.84 Fri > Aberdeen Capitol 22.10.82 Fri > Aberdeen Capitol 22.09.76 Wed > Aberdeen Capitol 19.11.85 Tue > Aberdeen Cowdray Hall 08.12.71 Wed > Aberdeen Music Hall 24.11.72 Fri My bet would be the Cowdray Hall gig was a student place. It just has that sound about it. Any Bon Accorders know better? > Bernhard FoFP From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Apr 8 11:14:05 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:14:05 EDT Subject: [Maitland Young: Hawkwind trivia] Message-ID: In a message dated 4/8/99 10:43:38 AM, bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE writes: <> bernhard, is this a live tape??? larry b From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Thu Apr 8 12:52:46 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:52:46 +0100 Subject: OFF: ROB ZOMBIE Message-ID: His last single was "Dragula" which came out as a particularly lovely picture disc and sounded exactly like any of the better numbers off "Astro Creep..." He still sucks live, though SAH NP Stephen Stills - Stills -- Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK e-zine and freezine http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Apr 8 11:59:35 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:59:35 -0400 Subject: HW/OFF: Aural Innovations #6 Message-ID: Hi Folks... Desperate self-promo. :) Issue #6 of Aural Innovations: The Global Source For SpaceRock Exploration will be ready late April. Aural Innovations focues on spacerock, but also includes psychedelia and related electronic music. Highlights of issue #6 will include interviews with... King Black Acid Dark Sun Five Fifteen Skye Klad beyond-o-matic Agitation Free Tom Spacey Marcel Peelen Tony Gerber (I think Kingston Wall (J. Jylli) should be here also) (And my article on Dark Star - *all* of them) Plus other goodies and lots of reviews! Including the second AI puzzle contest...win free space rock CDs! Special to subscribers only: All those who are subscribed by May 15th will receive a free copy of the new Spacefolds 5 cd by quarkspace! For more information visit the Aural Innovations home page at http://www.infinet.com/~jkranitz/space/space.html From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Thu Apr 8 14:11:21 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 20:11:21 +0200 Subject: [Maitland Young: Hawkwind trivia] In-Reply-To: <5342db79.243e21bd@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Larry At 11:14 08.04.99 -0400, you wrote: ><> :-)) Unfortunately no. Bernhard From age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Apr 8 14:20:07 1999 From: age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Adrian Parr) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:20:07 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind trivia, Elf and Hawk Message-ID: Hi folks Regarding the Hawkwind track 'Quark Strangeness and Charm', previously listed as from Stonehenge 1977. Yeah, i have doubts it was recorded there, as i do with 'Master Of The Universe' and 'Welcome to the Future' from the Weird Tapes. A possible alternate venue for these could be the Sonic Assassins 1977 gig. Possible, what does anyone think on this? I know Dave Brock said to me recently that he had 'Masters' and 'Welcome' from this show, so it could be these? Regarding 'The Elf & The Hawk' album. This came out in mid January on Black Widow Records (see Links Page on the Hawkeye website for this and other useful links). It contains all of the 'Hawkfan 12' album, except the competition piece. The Alan Davey 'Elf EP', a new track from Dave Brock and two new tracks from Alan Davey. On top of this you get 3 tracks from Phil Howards 'PXR 1' band, including Spirit Of The Age and a track with Crum guesting on keyboards. The album comes either as a double vinyl with some tasty artwork based on the original releases, as well as a single CD, although this format is minus a couple of tracks that are on the vinyl. Anyone wanting an email containing the forthcoming Hawkeye Newsletter can join the mailing list at the bottom of the Hawkeye website home page. This should be ready within the next few days or so. Visit the "Hawkeye on Hawkwind" website at: http://www.conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk/index.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Thu Apr 8 15:35:53 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:35:53 +0200 Subject: Hawkwind trivia, Elf and Hawk In-Reply-To: <000201be81ed$77ee70e0$833f883e@default> Message-ID: Hi there At 19:20 08.04.99 +0100, Adrian Parr wrote: >Regarding the Hawkwind track 'Quark Strangeness and Charm', >previously listed as from Stonehenge 1977. >Yeah, i have doubts it was recorded there, as i do with 'Master >Of The Universe' and 'Welcome to the Future' from the Weird >Tapes. >A possible alternate venue for these could be the Sonic Assassins >1977 gig. >Possible, what does anyone think on this? For QUARK I do not believe that it was from the SA gig because Robert Calvert is singing this song and I think that he was a bit "over the top" during this gig. The song (and RC's singing) sound to "clean" for this special (and chaotic) gig I think that MASTER and WELCOME are not from the SA gig as well. Must be from one of the tours during the year 1977 (maybe Sonehenge) Bernhard From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Apr 8 16:31:20 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:31:20 -0700 Subject: HW: Hawkwind trivia, Elf and Hawk Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:35:53 +0200, Bernhard Pospiech wrote: >Hi there > >At 19:20 08.04.99 +0100, Adrian Parr wrote: > >>Regarding the Hawkwind track 'Quark Strangeness and Charm', >>previously listed as from Stonehenge 1977. >>Yeah, i have doubts it was recorded there, as i do with 'Master >>Of The Universe' and 'Welcome to the Future' from the Weird Tapes. >>A possible alternate venue for these could be the Sonic Assassins >>1977 gig. Possible, what does anyone think on this? I would think that it would be difficult to confuse a Hawkwind '77 live recording with the Sonic Assassins performance, since Simon House has a distinctive keyboard style quite different from that of Paul Hayles (and, needless to say, the presence of violin on a track would confirm that it's HW and not SA). >For QUARK I do not believe that it was from the SA gig because Robert >Calvert is singing this song and I think that he was a bit "over the top" >during this gig. The song (and RC's singing) sound to "clean" for this >special (and chaotic) gig > >I think that MASTER and WELCOME are not from the SA gig as well. >Must be from one of the tours during the year 1977 (maybe Sonehenge) > >Bernhard Is this known to be the complete track listing for the Sonic Assassins gig? Or were there more songs performed that never made it to tape? (obviously, if this was the complete gig, there's no way that recordings of Master and Welcome could come from it) >23.12.77, BARNSTAPLE, QUEENSWAY HALL, 45/6 >magnu / angels of death / jam / free fall / death trap / >awakening / over the top / golden void / instrumental -Doug ceres at sirius.com From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Thu Apr 8 17:17:07 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 23:17:07 +0200 Subject: HW: Hawkwind trivia, Elf and Hawk In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990408133120.00870de0@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: Hi At 13:31 08.04.99 -0700, you wrote: >Is this known to be the complete track listing for the Sonic >Assassins gig? > Or were there more songs performed that never made it to tape? OK, I'll ask Paul Hayles.... (this is NOT a joke!) Bernhard From stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM Thu Apr 8 18:22:03 1999 From: stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:22:03 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawkwind trivia, Q&S Message-ID: > > >Hi there > > > >At 19:20 08.04.99 +0100, Adrian Parr wrote: > > > >>Regarding the Hawkwind track 'Quark Strangeness and Charm', > >>previously listed as from Stonehenge 1977. > >>Yeah, i have doubts it was recorded there, as i do with 'Master > >>Of The Universe' and 'Welcome to the Future' from the Weird Tapes. > >>A possible alternate venue for these could be the Sonic Assassins > >>1977 gig. Possible, what does anyone think on this? > Where did we think this is listed as from Stonehenge ? (this is the Wierd tape version we're talking right ?) I always thought the wierd tape version was from the Top of the Pops performance, though that could be my imagination . Certainly this matches the "clean" performance evaluation. (Isn't there some somewhat "canned" applause a th the end ?) As for Paul Hayles, I think I only just made a consious realisation that this is a different keyboard player than Keith Hale. Damn there should be some rule that once you have say more than 20 people who have been inthe band that when recruiting new members you are only allowed to select people whose name is not the same as, or similar to other people who have already been in the band (or get them to cahnge their name !) Cheers, Steve L From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Thu Apr 8 17:47:32 1999 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 16:47:32 -0500 Subject: BOC: News? Message-ID: "" wrote: > > Saw this on the HardRadio website: > > >>BLUE OYSTER CULT's self-titled debut (1972) and Tyranny And Mutation > (1973) will be released on a 2-on-1 CD through Mobile Fidelity Gold > Disc soon. As well, sources say that Net fans have been asked by Sony > to choose 16 tracks for a new compilation called Greatest Hits, due > out in June. Finally, B.O.C. album will be out in 2000 through CMC > (US) and and SPV (Europe)...<< > > If you haven't seen HardRadio yet, I highly recommend it. It's at > www.hardradio.com. Tons of metal news, interviews, concerts and > happenings, plus RA files of lots of current tunes. Plus, there's a > 24-hour internet radio station, no commercials, no disc jockeys: just > wall-to-wall new and classic heavy metal rock and roll. > > -- Nick Just got this today from MOFI: Yea! good news! BOC is a May release. But we are putting it out as two LPs on one CD: Tyranny plus Blue Oyster Cult self-titled. Plus, we have first time lyrics and liner notes by Eric Bloom. It will be ready to sell by the first week of May. Thanks for being patient!!! Laj. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 8 19:00:11 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 00:00:11 +0100 Subject: BOC: News? Message-ID: > Yea! good news! BOC is a May release. But we are putting it out as two > LPs > on one CD: Tyranny plus Blue Oyster Cult self-titled. Plus, we have > first > time lyrics and liner notes by Eric Bloom. It will be ready to sell by > the first week of May. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to wait until the *last* days ....? ;) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Apr 8 19:38:02 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:38:02 EDT Subject: HW: Earth Calling amendment Message-ID: In a message dated 99-04-08 10:52:40 EDT, you write: << Earth Calling L 1 BBC Transcription Disc LP L 1 Space Rock From London L 1 a BBC Radio - Live in Concert CD L 2 Weird 106 - Hawkwind 1970-73 L 2 a Friends And Relations II (Twice Upon A Time) L 2 a Hawkwind Friends And Relations - The Rarities CD L 2 a Golden Void 1969 -79 CD L 2 b British Tribal Music L 2 b Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] L 2 b The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II L 2 b The Hawkwind Anthology 1967-1982 [Castle 2CD] L 2 b Acid Daze Vol. II L 2 b The Hawkwind Collection L 2 b Best of Hawkwind L 2 b Live & Rare (Onward Flies the Bird) L 2 b Master of the Universe [Pulse CD] L 2 b Silver Machine CD [Hallmark compilation] L 3 Space Ritual Alive L 3 Stasis CD * 1a is an edit of 1 * 2a is a cut of 2 * 2b is a cut of 2a >> ----Funny but I think the longest version I've heard yet of version 2 is on Purple Pyramid's recent comp "Area 51". It goes on for about one minute after the "eh-eh-eh-eh-eh-eh-eh-eh" bit; but I don't have the Weird version, which I see is the full (or fullest) version. Chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Apr 8 19:43:27 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:43:27 EDT Subject: HW/OFF: Aural Innovations #6 Message-ID: In a message dated 99-04-08 13:10:46 EDT, you write: << Plus other goodies and lots of reviews! Including the second AI puzzle contest...win free space rock CDs! Special to subscribers only: All those who are subscribed by May 15th will receive a free copy of the new Spacefolds 5 cd by quarkspace! For more information visit the Aural Innovations home page at http://www.infinet.com/~jkranitz/space/space.html >> ---Keith, I'd definitely like to subscribe, as I love your mag, especially the puzzles :). How much should I send? Thanks, Chuck From COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Apr 8 18:40:24 1999 From: COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Feel the panic !!!!!!) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 23:40:24 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind - Collector series (Question) and Elf & the hawk Message-ID: Thanks for all you out there putting me right on a few things. cheers colm "My ass may be dumb but I ain't no dumbass" -----Original Message----- From: J Strobridge To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 08 April 1999 13:01 Subject: Re: Hawkwind - Collector series (Question) >Trance Trousers writes: > >> I've just been listening to some of my old Hawkwind vinyl, namely "The >> Hawkwind Collection" on castle communications double vinyl printed in 1986. >> When I came across a live version of quark,strangeness and charm with Bob >> Calvert on vocals does anyone out there know where this is from and if there >> are any more recordings on CD,vinyl etc of any more songs from this gig? >> Thanks! > >>From the Codex: > >version 2 is the one you are looking for. > >Quark, Strangeness, and Charm > 1 Quark Strangeness And Charm > 1 Quark, Strangeness, and Charm/ The Forge of Vulcan 7" > 1 Quark, Strangeness, and Charm/ The Iron Dream 7" > 1 Repeat Performance > 1 Rock On - with Hawkwind and Van Der Graaf Generator > 1 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] > 1 Tales From Atom Henge > 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] > L 2 Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/ Hawklords > L 2 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II > L 2 Acid Daze Vol. II > L 2 Castle Masters Collection > L 2 The Hawkwind Collection > L 2 Ironstrike > L 2 Masters of The Universe [ Marble Arch Rock CD] > L 2 Best of Hawkwind > L 2 Space Is Deep > L 2 Master of the Universe [Pulse CD] > L 3 Theta Orionis [bootleg CD] > L 3 a Rock City > 4 Quark Strangeness and Charm CD single > L 4 a The Business Trip > > * Versions 3 and 3a are from the same tour > * 4a is the single mix with added audience noise at the end > > >=========================================================================== >J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Apr 8 18:42:11 1999 From: COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Feel the panic !!!!!!) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 23:42:11 +0100 Subject: Wierd tapes Message-ID: Anyone out there willing to burn a copy of these weird tapes onto CD-R and maybe pass them on to unfortunate fans who where too young to know about them when they came out? cheers colm "My ass may be dumb but I ain't no dumbass" From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Thu Apr 8 19:54:53 1999 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 01:54:53 +0200 Subject: Wierd tapes In-Reply-To: <000301be821a$4c311c00$da39883e@Colm.bton.ac.uk> Message-ID: >Anyone out there willing to burn a copy of these weird tapes onto CD-R and >maybe pass them on to unfortunate fans who where too young to know about >them when they came out? > >cheers > >colm well i have all the weird tapes and i have access to a cd burner. just tell me how to connect my taperecorder to my pc and i will do it for ya. andre From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Apr 8 18:52:33 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:52:33 -0400 Subject: Wierd tapes Message-ID: Colm naively asks... >Anyone out there willing to burn a copy of these weird tapes onto CD-R and >maybe pass them on to unfortunate fans who where too young to know about >them when they came out? Haven't you been paying any attention?? :) Mike? Keith H. (FAA) P.S. BTW, since I've never owned any official copies of the Weird Tapes (as it always seemed to be a pain in the ass to order overseas off-line), I guess I'm not eligible to receive CD-R's, eh? But is there a possibility of putting in a 'duel' order for the tapes *and* CD-Rs at once? Is there any contact with the folks at Wolden (is it?) about this idea of digitally-archiving them? Could I pay a middleman to make Wolden happy? (Here we are again, eh Mike? If I had any faith in the postal service (a little better today), I'd be more positive.) :) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Apr 8 18:56:56 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:56:56 -0400 Subject: HW/OFF: Aural Innovations #6 Message-ID: >In a message dated 99-04-08 13:10:46 EDT, you write: > ><< Plus other goodies and lots of reviews! > Including the second AI puzzle contest...win free space rock CDs! > > Special to subscribers only: All those who are subscribed by May 15th > will receive a free copy of the new Spacefolds 5 cd by quarkspace! For > more information visit the Aural Innovations home page at > http://www.infinet.com/~jkranitz/space/space.html > >> > >---Keith, I'd definitely like to subscribe, as I love your mag, especially >the puzzles :). How much should I send? Thanks, Chuck Oh, gee, the details should be on the webpage. I think it's only $10 for a year's subscription (4 issues). Send it to Jerry @ Jerry Kranitz 1364 W 7th Ave. Apt. B Columbus, OH 43212 I think that's right. From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Fri Apr 9 02:46:01 1999 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 00:46:01 -0600 Subject: Wierd tapes Message-ID: Ok, I haven't been paying attention either!! I saw something on this, but at the time was running on too much working & not enuf play!! What's happening with this project?? And how do I get copies?? Rock on! Pam Keith Henderson wrote: > Colm naively asks... > > >Anyone out there willing to burn a copy of these weird tapes onto CD-R and > >maybe pass them on to unfortunate fans who where too young to know about > >them when they came out? > > Haven't you been paying any attention?? :) > > Mike? > > Keith H. (FAA) > > P.S. BTW, since I've never owned any official copies of the Weird Tapes (as > it always seemed to be a pain in the ass to order overseas off-line), I > guess I'm not eligible to receive CD-R's, eh? But is there a possibility of > putting in a 'duel' order for the tapes *and* CD-Rs at once? Is there any > contact with the folks at Wolden (is it?) about this idea of > digitally-archiving them? Could I pay a middleman to make Wolden happy? > (Here we are again, eh Mike? If I had any faith in the postal service (a > little better today), I'd be more positive.) :) From SHLL at NOVO.DK Fri Apr 9 04:34:33 1999 From: SHLL at NOVO.DK (SHLL) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:34:33 +0200 Subject: HW:cover Message-ID: Hej, I was just informed that three STONER rock bands from Germany; Payola, Smoke Blow, and the Sissies have a split 10" out and on the b-side is a long version wtih all three bands jamming Silver Machine? Anyone heard this? They played here last night but I did not make the show. GOt my HW- Live 1997 disc and this is really great. They were very heavy on this tour. I actually think it is a much better disc than In your Area.. SCott ObCs- Tangle Edge- Brighton UK 7-5-90 From sprawl at BBOARD.COM Fri Apr 9 06:18:37 1999 From: sprawl at BBOARD.COM (Sprawl) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 06:18:37 -0400 Subject: HW:cover Message-ID: So I have heard. I am still trying to get my hands on some strerling so that I can order it, too! It is very hard to find a place to exchange currency in my area. > GOt my HW- Live 1997 disc and this is really great. They were very heavy on this > tour. I actually think it is a much better disc than In your Area.. > > SCott > > ObCs- Tangle Edge- Brighton UK 7-5-90 From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 9 06:29:51 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 11:29:51 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind trivia, Q&S In-Reply-To: Stephen Lindsey's message of Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:22:03 -0400 Message-ID: Stephen Lindsey writes: > I always thought the wierd tape version was from the Top of the Pops > performance Eh? What Top of the Pops performance? They did play The Marc Bolan Show in 1977 but I'm pretty sure they just mimed to the single, which is why Brock refused to appear. > As for Paul Hayles, I think I only just made a consious realisation > that this is a different keyboard player than Keith Hale. Damn there > should be some rule that once you have say more than 20 people who > have been inthe band that when recruiting new members you are only > allowed to select people whose name is not the same as, or similar to > other people who have already been in the band (or get them to cahnge > their name !) And a rule saying that you can't release an album with a name that's the same as an album already released. And a rule mandating penalties for getting the tracklists wrong on an album cover... > Cheers, Steve L FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 9 06:32:10 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 11:32:10 +0100 Subject: HW: Earth Calling amendment In-Reply-To: Chuck Rosenberg's message of Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:38:02 EDT Message-ID: Chuck Rosenberg writes: > In a message dated 99-04-08 10:52:40 EDT, you write: > > << Earth Calling > L 1 BBC Transcription Disc LP > L 1 Space Rock From London > L 1 a BBC Radio - Live in Concert CD > L 2 Weird 106 - Hawkwind 1970-73 > L 2 a Friends And Relations II (Twice Upon A Time) > L 2 a Hawkwind Friends And Relations - The Rarities CD > L 2 a Golden Void 1969 -79 CD > L 2 b British Tribal Music > L 2 b Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] > L 2 b The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II > L 2 b The Hawkwind Anthology 1967-1982 [Castle 2CD] > L 2 b Acid Daze Vol. II > L 2 b The Hawkwind Collection > L 2 b Best of Hawkwind > L 2 b Live & Rare (Onward Flies the Bird) > L 2 b Master of the Universe [Pulse CD] > L 2 b Silver Machine CD [Hallmark compilation] > L 3 Space Ritual Alive > L 3 Stasis CD > > * 1a is an edit of 1 > * 2a is a cut of 2 > * 2b is a cut of 2a > > >> > > ----Funny but I think the longest version I've heard yet of version 2 is on > Purple Pyramid's recent comp "Area 51". It goes on for about one minute after > the "eh-eh-eh-eh-eh-eh-eh-eh" bit; Presumably this is the same as the Golden Void one which was a Purple Pyramid production. > but I don't have the Weird version, which > I see is the full (or fullest) version. It goes on for 20 or so seconds longer. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 9 06:37:03 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 11:37:03 +0100 Subject: Wierd tapes In-Reply-To: Feel the panic !!!!!!'s message of Thu, 8 Apr 1999 23:42:11 +0100 Message-ID: Feel the panic !!!!!! writes: > Anyone out there willing to burn a copy of these weird tapes onto CD-R and > maybe pass them on to unfortunate fans who where too young to know about > them when they came out? I'll be getting around to the project as outlined here soon. It'd be illegal to back them up for anyone without the original tapes though. Note that they're still available from Wolden Studios. They did a replacement for me for one which broke just last week. I'd hazard that if you wanted to buy all eight and a half you could probably ask them to quote a reasonable price. Better still, if there are a few of you out there still looking for the Weird Tapes, I'm sure they'd rather do a batch than one-offs and some sort of deal should be possible for such. All it takes is organisation and a call to the good folks at Wolden. > colm FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 9 06:49:02 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 11:49:02 +0100 Subject: Wierd tapes - who wants 'em. In-Reply-To: Keith Henderson's message of Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:52:33 -0400 Message-ID: Keith Henderson writes: > Colm naively asks... > > >Anyone out there willing to burn a copy of these weird tapes onto CD-R and > >maybe pass them on to unfortunate fans who where too young to know about > >them when they came out? > > Haven't you been paying any attention?? :) > > Mike? I'm still on the case. > P.S. BTW, since I've never owned any official copies of the Weird Tapes (as > it always seemed to be a pain in the ass to order overseas off-line), I > guess I'm not eligible to receive CD-R's, eh? But is there a possibility of > putting in a 'duel' order for the tapes *and* CD-Rs at once? Is there any > contact with the folks at Wolden (is it?) about this idea of > digitally-archiving them? Could I pay a middleman to make Wolden happy? I guess I could organise that for the overseas folks though obviously it'd be more expensive to get 'em sent to me and then sent out again with the CD's. OTOH it'd be easier for Wolden to copy 'em as a batch than singly. I could probably do this and try to arrange a bulk deal with Wolden if there are enough people wanting 'em to justify the effort. The deal with Wolden used to be 5 Pounds per tape (times 8 tapes) but with numbers maybe the unit cost could be negotiated down. For the sake of research, who'd be interested? > (Here we are again, eh Mike? If I had any faith in the postal service (a > little better today), I'd be more positive.) :) Ain't that the truth. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 9 06:50:52 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 11:50:52 +0100 Subject: HW:cover In-Reply-To: SHLL's message of Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:34:33 +0200 Message-ID: SHLL writes: > Hej, > I was just informed that three STONER rock bands from Germany; Payola, > Smoke Blow, and the Sissies have a split 10" out and on the b-side is > a long version wtih all three bands jamming Silver Machine? Anyone > heard this? Bernhard, is it possible to get copies of this? FoFP From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Fri Apr 9 07:12:11 1999 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:12:11 +0200 Subject: AW: HW:cover Message-ID: Hi there > > I was just informed that three STONER rock bands from Germany; Payola, > > Smoke Blow, and the Sissies have a split 10" out and on the b-side is > > a long version wtih all three bands jamming Silver Machine? Anyone > > heard this? > >Bernhard, is it possible to get copies of this? Arrgh! Never hear of these bands before. Will try to check this out Bernhard From COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Apr 9 07:16:15 1999 From: COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Feel the panic !!!!!!) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 12:16:15 +0100 Subject: Wierd tapes - who wants 'em. Message-ID: Alright there, I'll be interested in your idea. colm "My ass may be dumb but I ain't no dumbass" -----Original Message----- From: M Holmes To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 09 April 1999 11:58 Subject: Re: Wierd tapes - who wants 'em. >Keith Henderson writes: > >> Colm naively asks... >> >> >Anyone out there willing to burn a copy of these weird tapes onto CD-R and >> >maybe pass them on to unfortunate fans who where too young to know about >> >them when they came out? >> >> Haven't you been paying any attention?? :) >> >> Mike? > >I'm still on the case. > >> P.S. BTW, since I've never owned any official copies of the Weird Tapes (as >> it always seemed to be a pain in the ass to order overseas off-line), I >> guess I'm not eligible to receive CD-R's, eh? But is there a possibility of >> putting in a 'duel' order for the tapes *and* CD-Rs at once? Is there any >> contact with the folks at Wolden (is it?) about this idea of >> digitally-archiving them? Could I pay a middleman to make Wolden happy? > >I guess I could organise that for the overseas folks though obviously >it'd be more expensive to get 'em sent to me and then sent out again >with the CD's. OTOH it'd be easier for Wolden to copy 'em as a batch >than singly. > >I could probably do this and try to arrange a bulk deal with Wolden if >there are enough people wanting 'em to justify the effort. The deal with >Wolden used to be 5 Pounds per tape (times 8 tapes) but with numbers >maybe the unit cost could be negotiated down. > >For the sake of research, who'd be interested? > >> (Here we are again, eh Mike? If I had any faith in the postal service (a >> little better today), I'd be more positive.) :) > >Ain't that the truth. > >FoFP > From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 9 08:37:14 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:37:14 +0100 Subject: Wierd tapes In-Reply-To: Feel the panic !!!!!!'s message of Thu, 8 Apr 1999 23:42:11 +0100 Message-ID: Feel the panic !!!!!! writes: > Anyone out there willing to burn a copy of these weird tapes onto CD-R and > maybe pass them on to unfortunate fans who where too young to know about > them when they came out? They are still available. Write to Wolden Studios and ask for a set. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Fri Apr 9 09:36:31 1999 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 08:36:31 -0500 Subject: Wierd tapes - who wants 'em. Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: multipart/alternative Size: 2006 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM Fri Apr 9 09:36:48 1999 From: stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:36:48 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawkwind trivia, Q&S Message-ID: > > Stephen Lindsey writes: > > > I always thought the wierd tape version was from the Top of the Pops > > performance > > Eh? What Top of the Pops performance? > Myabe you're right I'm thinking Marc Bolan, (memory like a sieve......) > They did play The Marc Bolan Show in 1977 but I'm pretty sure they just > mimed to the single, which is why Brock refused to appear. > But I thought the story I heard was that they recorded it for the show at the rehearsal (with Brock) and then mimed to the playback (not the single) thats similar to say the Ed Sullivan show approach, and where the recording might have come from. Has anyone ever seen this incidentally (would also solve this question !) I guess they didn't have VCRs back then ......... Cheers, Steve L From COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Apr 9 09:33:20 1999 From: COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Feel the panic !!!!!!) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:33:20 +0100 Subject: Wierd tapes Message-ID: Anyone got a contact address for Wolden? cheers colm "My ass may be dumb but I ain't no dumbass" -----Original Message----- From: M Holmes To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 09 April 1999 11:44 Subject: Re: Wierd tapes >Feel the panic !!!!!! writes: > >> Anyone out there willing to burn a copy of these weird tapes onto CD-R and >> maybe pass them on to unfortunate fans who where too young to know about >> them when they came out? > >I'll be getting around to the project as outlined here soon. It'd be >illegal to back them up for anyone without the original tapes though. >Note that they're still available from Wolden Studios. They did a >replacement for me for one which broke just last week. I'd hazard that >if you wanted to buy all eight and a half you could probably ask them to >quote a reasonable price. > >Better still, if there are a few of you out there still looking for the >Weird Tapes, I'm sure they'd rather do a batch than one-offs and some >sort of deal should be possible for such. > >All it takes is organisation and a call to the good folks at Wolden. > >> colm > >FoFP > From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Apr 9 10:17:23 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:17:23 EDT Subject: HW: Hawkwind trivia, Q&S Message-ID: In a message dated 4/9/99 9:39:36 AM, stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM writes: (IN REGARDS TO "QUARK" ON TV) << But I thought the story I heard was that they recorded it for the show at the rehearsal (with Brock) and then mimed to the playback (not the single) thats similar to say the Ed Sullivan show approach, and where the recording might have come from. Has anyone ever seen this incidentally (would also solve this question !) I guess they didn't have VCRs back then ......... ========================================================================== their appearance on the bolan show DOES exist in various lesser-quality incarnations among vid collectors...my understanding was that it's a straight sync but i've never actually seen it...a stuffed parrot (or something) stands in for mr. brock... lb From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 9 10:36:04 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:36:04 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind trivia, Q&S In-Reply-To: Stephen Lindsey's message of Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:36:48 -0400 Message-ID: Stephen Lindsey writes: > > > > Stephen Lindsey writes: > > > > > I always thought the wierd tape version was from the Top of the Pops > > > performance > > > > Eh? What Top of the Pops performance? > > Myabe you're right I'm thinking Marc Bolan, (memory like a sieve......) > > > They did play The Marc Bolan Show in 1977 but I'm pretty sure they just > > mimed to the single, which is why Brock refused to appear. > > > > But I thought the story I heard was that they recorded it for the show > at the rehearsal (with Brock) and then mimed to the playback (not the single) > thats similar to say the Ed Sullivan show approach, and where the recording > might have come from. No, I'm sure I checked this out and it was just the single they played. > Has anyone ever seen this incidentally Oh yes. I got time off my first ever job to go home and watch it. > I guess they didn't have VCRs back then ......... Our school had one, though I believe it was the Phillips 200 system. I think I have a not very good recording of the show somewhere. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 9 10:36:56 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:36:56 +0100 Subject: Wierd tapes In-Reply-To: Feel the panic !!!!!!'s message of Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:33:20 +0100 Message-ID: Feel the panic !!!!!! writes: > Anyone got a contact address for Wolden? Wolden Studios, Mid Lodge, Landcross, Bideford, Devon, EX39 5JB UK From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 9 10:38:10 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:38:10 +0100 Subject: Wierd tapes - who wants 'em. In-Reply-To: Doug Bates's message of Fri, 9 Apr 1999 08:36:31 -0500 Message-ID: Doug Bates writes: > Mike any help you are willing to provide in negotiating a "batch" price > will be greatly appreciated. Would you be willing to call them for "us"? Sure. No probs. Gotta know how many folks want a set of the 8 tapes though.... FoFP From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Apr 9 10:45:20 1999 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (denizen of chaos) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:45:20 -0500 Subject: Wierd tapes - who wants 'em. In-Reply-To: <199904091438.PAA15463@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Apr 1999, M Holmes wrote: :Subject: Re: Wierd tapes - who wants 'em. : :Doug Bates writes: : :> Mike any help you are willing to provide in negotiating a "batch" price :> will be greatly appreciated. Would you be willing to call them for "us"? : :Sure. No probs. : :Gotta know how many folks want a set of the 8 tapes though.... I'd be up for the 8 tapes and a cd-r deal :) Arin ---hellhound shelter--------------------------------------------------- the denizen of chaos | denizen at pobox.com aka Arin Komins | http://www.pobox.com/~denizen/ ------------------------------------------------searching for satori--- From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Fri Apr 9 10:40:32 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:40:32 +0200 Subject: HW: Hawkwind trivia, Q&S In-Reply-To: <3b84af87.243f65f3@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi At 10:17 09.04.99 -0400, you wrote: >their appearance on the bolan show DOES exist in various lesser-quality >incarnations among vid collectors...my understanding was that it's a straight >sync but i've never actually seen it...a stuffed parrot (or something) stands >in for mr. brock... Yeah! Thats true. I've got this video (3 minutes) and they play indeed without DB. The band is playing playback but it looks like if RC is singing live. btw: RC is playing lead-guitar here and the session was recorded on 14.09.1977, only 2 days before the start of the Quark-tour Bernhard From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Fri Apr 9 10:54:10 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:54:10 +0200 Subject: HW: Hawkwind 97 CD Message-ID: Hi folks I am really curious to know who has got the Hawkwind 97 CD with the inner sleeve originally signed by Dave Brock Am I the only one or just one of thousands ??? Bernhard From erics at TELEPRES.COM Fri Apr 9 11:01:28 1999 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 11:01:28 -0400 Subject: Wierd tapes - who wants 'em. In-Reply-To: <199904091049.LAA05718@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> from "M Holmes" at Apr 9, 99 11:49:02 am Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > The deal with > Wolden used to be 5 Pounds per tape (times 8 tapes) but with numbers > maybe the unit cost could be negotiated down. > > For the sake of research, who'd be interested? Count me in, for sure! -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / He is a vegetarian, but will not disclose exactly what part of Vegetaria he is from. - Jennifer Cutting From mordru at FLITE.NET Fri Apr 9 10:54:01 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:54:01 -0400 Subject: Wierd tapes - who wants 'em. Message-ID: >On Fri, 9 Apr 1999, M Holmes wrote: > >:Subject: Re: Wierd tapes - who wants 'em. >: >:Doug Bates writes: >: >:> Mike any help you are willing to provide in negotiating a "batch" price >:> will be greatly appreciated. Would you be willing to call them for "us"? >: >:Sure. No probs. >: >:Gotta know how many folks want a set of the 8 tapes though.... > >I'd be up for the 8 tapes and a cd-r deal :) ditto ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From mordru at FLITE.NET Fri Apr 9 11:10:28 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 11:10:28 -0400 Subject: HW: Palace Springs track list Message-ID: I just borrowed this from a friend, a GWR version.... (CD) Are the tracks supposed to be listed like that? It looks like every two but the first two (and Damnation Alley at the end) are switched.... ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Apr 9 11:40:25 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:40:25 +0100 Subject: OFF: Wayne Kramer Message-ID: Brother Wayne put on another excellent show last night! Quite a different selection of material to his last visit, with "Wild America" and "Junkie Romance" outstanding. But the best part of the show by far was when special guest Bryan James arrived, and they launched into a just totally shitkicking twin-guitar assault on "Looking At You". Whoa! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 9 11:44:28 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:44:28 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind trivia, Q&S In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Fri, 9 Apr 1999 16:40:32 +0200 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hi > > At 10:17 09.04.99 -0400, you wrote: > >their appearance on the bolan show DOES exist in various lesser-quality > >incarnations among vid collectors...my understanding was that it's a straight > >sync but i've never actually seen it...a stuffed parrot (or something) stands > >in for mr. brock... > > Yeah! Thats true. I've got this video (3 minutes) and they play indeed > without DB. > The band is playing playback but it looks like if RC is singing live. > > btw: RC is playing lead-guitar here and the session was recorded on > 14.09.1977, only 2 days before the start of the Quark-tour Is he actually *playing* it? My recollection is that he's wearing a huge great biker's glove which rather precludes him getting sensible sounds out of any guitar! Could be misremembering tho'. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 9 12:15:42 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:15:42 +0100 Subject: Golden Void '69-'79 In-Reply-To: Andrew A. Apold's message of Wed, 7 Apr 1999 16:55:35 -0400 Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold writes: > "extensive liner notes" proclaims the cover. > 2 discs, $14.95. "interview w/ Brock" is the last track. > Worth it? I've only listened to the the first disc but I think it's well worth getting for the sound quality if you don't already have the tracks concerned. It comprises early grunge Hawkwind (my favourite) and a good quantity of Calvert material although tastes may vary about Over The Top. The package is important because it shows just how much Hawkwind's style changes from one period to the next. The second disc is from the Earth Ritual period - not my favourite - and the Brock interview is the one long ago from the official log book (or whatever). I think it's a good package if you want to know more about the band and their music and you don't want to have to hunt for the individual releases. Whether you will enjoy what you hear is impossible to say but they are all interesting tracks and each has its own story. jill > BTW, Jill, apologies, it's on its way again wadded inside > aluminum foil. It has apparently been residing amongst the > mess on the floor of my car. Thanks! I wondered whether it had suffered the fate of other postal packages and vanished forever into the depths of the great mail machine to be consumed forever. Sorry about the IMO but no-one over here would touch it! ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 9 12:44:01 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:44:01 +0100 Subject: Wierd tapes - who wants 'em. Message-ID: On fre 9 apr 1999 11.49 +0100 "M Holmes" wrote: > For the sake of research, who'd be interested? I! Jag! Ich! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 9 13:50:37 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 18:50:37 +0100 Subject: HW: HW trivia: Zenon article Message-ID: Here's what the Guardian has to say about Paul Zenon: "....He [Paul Zenon] was plain Paul Collins whose passion for magic was matched only by a passion for Hawkwind. So he went backstage after one gig when he was 18 and persuaded them to take him on as their support act. 'Can you imagine how scary it was performing in front of 2,000 stoned bikers at the Hammersmith Odeon' he says. 'The only thing the band asked of me was a name change. They chose Xenon - "he may be inert, but he's a gas" - but everyone pronounced it Exenon. So I changed it to Zenon'" It seems to have made a lasting impression on him! Probably around 1983-ish (was that Xenon Codex time?) I'm told that he's very good so he might be worth seeing sometime. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Apr 9 12:45:27 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 12:45:27 -0400 Subject: Wierd tapes - who wants 'em. Message-ID: >On fre 9 apr 1999 11.49 +0100 "M Holmes" wrote: >> For the sake of research, who'd be interested? > > I! Jag! Ich! Ja, me too, of course. I suppose we should also be indicating whether we presently own complete (or partial) collections of the original tapes. I, of course, own no originals. (I do have a couple illegal dubs, though, and my brother has a copy of the Watchfield boot LP. What's that worth, BTW?) Keith H. (FAA) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 9 14:07:19 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 19:07:19 +0100 Subject: Wierd tapes - who wants 'em. Message-ID: On fre 9 apr 1999 12.45 -0400 "Keith Henderson" wrote: > I suppose we should also be indicating whether we presently own complete (or > partial) collections of the original tapes. Well, I don't, so I guess I need them, though even better if Wolden could simply run off some CDs. Hawkwind was supposed to be doing this themselves ... Definitely want to get CD versions, so tapes and CD-Rs if necessary. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Fri Apr 9 14:12:41 1999 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:12:41 -0400 Subject: Wierd tapes - who wants 'em. Message-ID: >On fre 9 apr 1999 11.49 +0100 "M Holmes" wrote: >> For the sake of research, who'd be interested? > Please include me for the whole set. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Fri Apr 9 14:15:54 1999 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 19:15:54 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkwind trivia, Q&S Message-ID: >their appearance on the bolan show DOES exist in various lesser-quality >incarnations among vid collectors...my understanding was that it's a straight >sync but i've never actually seen it...a stuffed parrot (or something) stands >in for mr. brock... > I've got a (fairly dodgy) copy of this. It's on one of the 3 versions of the Festivals-Private Parties-Concerts video that I've got. HW are are introduced by Bolan as "the band who should have written Star Wars and didn't" It does sound much like the album version to me but the recording quality doesn't help much. Bob mimes the guitar part (well, sort of) and yes there is a stuffed parrot (or whatever), perched on Bob's wrist. Nick From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Fri Apr 9 14:21:04 1999 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 19:21:04 +0100 Subject: HW Passports Message-ID: Got my passport back today, anyone else get theirs yet? Nick From flossbac at NLCI.COM Fri Apr 9 15:42:35 1999 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:42:35 -0500 Subject: Wierd tapes - who wants 'em. Message-ID: Weird tapes on CDR? I'll take those!!! John Majka flossbac at nlci.com From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Fri Apr 9 15:50:21 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 21:50:21 +0200 Subject: HW: Hawkwind trivia, Q&S In-Reply-To: <199904091544.QAA24839@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi there!! At 16:44 09.04.99 +0100, you wrote: >> btw: RC is playing lead-guitar here and the session was >>recorded on 14.09.1977, only 2 days before the start of the >>Quark-tour > > >Is he actually *playing* it? My recollection is that he's >wearing a huge great biker's glove which rather precludes him >getting sensible sounds out of any guitar! Well, it really looks like if he is playing the guitar live! And if not, he did it really good as playback Yes, he is wearing a spiecial glove with an eagle sitting on it. Looks very silly The QSaC version they played there is not the live one from 1977 and not the studio one from the LP. It is a very different version Just received some words from PAUL HAYLES. Now we know that QSaC was NOT played during the SA gig on 23.12.77 Here is what he wrote to me: ========================================================================= (...)snipp AS far as the Sonic Assasins gig was concerned - it's a memory stretcher but I think it was on the 23rd Dec - I remember it as a Christmas gig. We were supported by a band called Osmosis or something like that who were led by a couple of guys who had been in Ark (the band that myself, Harvey and Martin had played in previously). They also had our old dancer, Lois, who went on to work with the Rocky Horror Show. Harry Williamson, their guitarist, was the son of the well known English writer, Henry Williamson (Tarka the Otter etc) and he went on to design stages for the Rolling Stones and now lives in Australia. Alistair Merry who played percussion and sang lives quite near me in France although I haven't seen him for a few years - he went a bit mad and tried to kill himself by crashing his car. We played for about an hour - the tape I have is just a 1 and a half sides of a C 90 and corresponds pretty much to the one you sent me although yours is definitely s different mix from mine. The line up of the band was Bob Calvert on vocals - totally in a state - he had also recently had a car crash whilst trying out a car he was thinking of buying, breaking the neck of a girl we all new (origin of the song Death trap). He was very much in two minds about the future of Hawkwind and was concerned about whether Sonic Assasins were rehearsed enough - it was true we had not rehearsed very much except for the new songs - Two I think, Death Trap and Free Fall plus the one hundred percent improvised Over the Top which came out of Dave and myself getting a synth pattern going and Bob thinking it was going into Master of the Universe. When it didn't and the others joined in, he then started his very good vocal ad lib (someone told me he used a poem he had already written), in any case it was all totally unrehearsed or even planned. Dave Brock - guitars and oscillators - he had lots of fun as usual in his white doctors coat and had lots of confidence in us new boys, Martin Griffin - drums, he had been Arks last drummer and had a share in a studio down in Cornwall. We all went down there shortly after Xmas to record a few overdubs onto the live tape. It was this over dubbed version that was used for the Sonic Assasins EP. Harvey Bainbridge, bass Harvey was a good mate although we've rather lost touch over the years. He's now living with his parents someone in the north of England and occasionally putting out some keyboard stuff. And myself on keyboards I was using my Wurlitzer electric piano through echo wahwah and distortion pedals, a string maching and a Roland SH100 synth and a second synth whose name escapes me, both of course were mono. The concert in the Queens Hall Barnstaple was a sell out (700 fire regulation capacity) and was a good party. This hall had been Ark's home ground and we could fill the place almost by ourselves so the added hawks was a big bonus. Ovef the next couple of years i got lots of correspondance and face to face comments suggesting that Sonic Assasins was the direction tHawkwind should have gone in but.......... When I joined the hawks regular line up for the US tour, it was apparent to me why Dave wanted to change - the vibes were really bad between al the different members. In fact I think i was the only one who was on talking terms with all the others - I ihadn't been around long enough to fall out with anyone. And Dave tried to get me into a lot of the radio interviews and made sure we talked about Sonic Assasins every time. But then, the tour came to an end and things were obviously falling apart quite seriously. We didn't play Quark as, although I think it was part written, it wasn't a complete item at that time. Well, that's all for this time. snipp(...) =========================================================================== Thats it folks cheers Bernhard From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri Apr 9 15:25:13 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 20:25:13 +0100 Subject: OFF: Stoner alert In-Reply-To: <199904071559.LAA28679@mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: At 10:49 07/04/99 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Folks... > >Last minute heads up. (Oh, I was wrong about this band. T.T. Blues is a >really good CD.) >Orange Goblin (UK): >Wed April 7 Cheltenham - The Attic >Thurs April 8 Chelmsford - Army & Navy >Sat April 10 Bradford - Rio's > This would come up just after I move out of Bradford - obviously the jinx hasn't ENTIRELY lifted....:-{(> ChrisW ObGig: Wayne Kramer last night - gobsmackingly good fun...cf. the good Mr. Gilham's post (thanks for the sofa Andy!) Free your mind & watch your ass! From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Apr 9 17:54:03 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 22:54:03 +0100 Subject: OFF: Stoner alert In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990409202513.007f69e0@mail.clara.net> Message-ID: > ObGig: Wayne Kramer last night - gobsmackingly good fun...cf. the good Mr. > Gilham's post (thanks for the sofa Andy!) See why I can't leave London? Where would boc-l assembled crash after gigs if it weren't for my sofa?!? - Andy ObCD: Windy & Carl - _Depths_ mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Fri Apr 9 18:21:23 1999 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 18:21:23 EDT Subject: HW: Hawkwind 97 CD Message-ID: In a message dated 4/9/99 10:54:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE writes: > Hi folks > I am really curious to know who has got the Hawkwind 97 CD with the inner > sleeve originally signed by Dave Brock > Am I the only one or just one of thousands ??? > Bernhard > Bernhard, mine was signed also. bob From flossbac at NLCI.COM Fri Apr 9 23:35:03 1999 From: flossbac at NLCI.COM (flossbac) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 22:35:03 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind 97 CD Message-ID: > In a message dated 4/9/99 10:54:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE writes: > > Hi folks > > I am really curious to know who has got the Hawkwind 97 CD with the inner > > sleeve originally signed by Dave Brock > > Am I the only one or just one of thousands ??? > > Bernhard > > > Bernhard, > mine was signed also. > bob Now I feel left out! Mine was not signed! John Majka flossbac at nlci.com From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Apr 10 00:22:38 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 00:22:38 EDT Subject: Wierd tapes - who wants 'em. Message-ID: In a message dated 99-04-09 06:51:07 EDT, you write: << I could probably do this and try to arrange a bulk deal with Wolden if there are enough people wanting 'em to justify the effort. The deal with Wolden used to be 5 Pounds per tape (times 8 tapes) but with numbers maybe the unit cost could be negotiated down. For the sake of research, who'd be interested? >> ---If you're counting heads, I'm in, too. Tapes, CD-r, or both, whatever, I just finally want to hear the damn things. All I've heard is a dub of (I think) Watchfield Festival. The one w/"Cake Out", "Uncle Sam", "Slap It on the Table", etc. Cpt. Cloud dubbed it for me a while back. Where is he anyway? Chuck From micci at SCI.FI Sat Apr 10 04:29:48 1999 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 11:29:48 +0300 Subject: HW: Hawkwind 97 CD Message-ID: >Hi folks > >I am really curious to know who has got the Hawkwind 97 CD with the inner >sleeve originally signed by Dave Brock > >Am I the only one or just one of thousands ??? > >Bernhard Aarhg, mine is not! Do you want change it to my copy? ;-)) Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sat Apr 10 05:40:07 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 11:40:07 +0200 Subject: HW: Hawkwind 97 CD In-Reply-To: <199904100829.LAA04886@pefletti.saunalahti.fi> Message-ID: At 11:29 10.04.99 +0300, you wrote: >Aarhg, mine is not! Do you want change it to my copy? ;-)) :-))) It won't be very usefull for you, because DB wrote: "Hello Bernhard, Dave Brock" Bernhard From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Apr 10 07:13:44 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 07:13:44 EDT Subject: OFF: today's new toy... Message-ID: me and my pal sherlock stumbled across this little device during what has become a habitual stay-up-all-friday-night-with-the-computer routine...in some respects it's geared towards the USA, but it would still have its uses amongst them what aint yankees...boy, the things you didnt know you needed until you stumble across one... offered for your consideration: research-it and for those offline amongst ye who dont receive this as a hyperlink, sorry... "<>" larry b From vince-l at EROLS.COM Sat Apr 10 08:27:57 1999 From: vince-l at EROLS.COM (Vince LeGrand) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 08:27:57 -0400 Subject: Wierd tapes - who wants 'em. Message-ID: >In a message dated 99-04-09 06:51:07 EDT, you write: > ><< I could probably do this and try to arrange a bulk deal with Wolden if > there are enough people wanting 'em to justify the effort. The deal with > Wolden used to be 5 Pounds per tape (times 8 tapes) but with numbers > maybe the unit cost could be negotiated down. > > For the sake of research, who'd be interested? >> > > Sign me up for the tapes and CD-R, too. Vince From micci at SCI.FI Sat Apr 10 08:46:29 1999 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 15:46:29 +0300 Subject: HW: Hawkwind 97 CD Message-ID: >At 11:29 10.04.99 +0300, you wrote: >>Aarhg, mine is not! Do you want change it to my copy? ;-)) > >:-))) >It won't be very usefull for you, because DB wrote: > >"Hello Bernhard, Dave Brock" > > > >Bernhard well, I must change my name :-)) Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Apr 10 14:52:09 1999 From: age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Adrian Parr) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 19:52:09 +0100 Subject: HW: In Your Area Message-ID: Hi Folks Having not got a copy of Hawkwind's "In Your Area" CD, can anyone tell me where the Live tracks on the album are from? Also, where and when were the studio tracks recorded too? I await with baited breath All the best Age Visit the "Hawkeye on Hawkwind" website at: http://www.conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk/index.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Hawktales at AOL.COM Sat Apr 10 23:59:20 1999 From: Hawktales at AOL.COM (- Anonymous) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 23:59:20 EDT Subject: Elf & The Hawk - what is ths? Message-ID: The cd is $20.00 the album is $28.00 - P.O. Box 307 - Crete, IL 60417 Peace and Love, Jim Collins From Hawktales at AOL.COM Sun Apr 11 00:02:44 1999 From: Hawktales at AOL.COM (- Anonymous) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 00:02:44 EDT Subject: Elf & The Hawk/Ozrics Message-ID: In a message dated 4/7/99 8:54:04 PM EST, henderson.120 at OSU.EDU writes: << henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) >> No dates as of yet - waiting for them. Jim Collins From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sun Apr 11 03:52:11 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 09:52:11 +0200 Subject: HW: In Your Area In-Reply-To: <000201be8383$64c466e0$b43c883e@default> Message-ID: Hi Age At 19:52 10.04.99 +0100, you wrote: >Having not got a copy of Hawkwind's "In Your Area" CD, can anyone >tell me where the Live tracks on the album are from? They are from Brussels (Belgium), 20.11.1997 >Also, where and when were the studio tracks recorded too? The booklet says only: "Mixed at Royal College for the blind, Hereford, England" cheers Bernhard From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sun Apr 11 03:47:56 1999 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 09:47:56 +0200 Subject: HW: Sonic Assassins 77 memories by PAUL HAYLES Message-ID: Hi folke!! Here is what he wrote to me: ========================================================================= (...)snipp AS far as the Sonic Assasins gig was concerned - it's a memory stretcher but I think it was on the 23rd Dec - I remember it as a Christmas gig. We were supported by a band called Osmosis or something like that who were led by a couple of guys who had been in Ark (the band that myself, Harvey and Martin had played in previously). They also had our old dancer, Lois, who went on to work with the Rocky Horror Show. Harry Williamson, their guitarist, was the son of the well known English writer, Henry Williamson (Tarka the Otter etc) and he went on to design stages for the Rolling Stones and now lives in Australia. Alistair Merry who played percussion and sang lives quite near me in France although I haven't seen him for a few years - he went a bit mad and tried to kill himself by crashing his car. We played for about an hour - the tape I have is just a 1 and a half sides of a C 90 and corresponds pretty much to the one you sent me although yours is definitely s different mix from mine. The line up of the band was Bob Calvert on vocals - totally in a state - he had also recently had a car crash whilst trying out a car he was thinking of buying, breaking the neck of a girl we all new (origin of the song Death trap). He was very much in two minds about the future of Hawkwind and was concerned about whether Sonic Assasins were rehearsed enough - it was true we had not rehearsed very much except for the new songs - Two I think, Death Trap and Free Fall plus the one hundred percent improvised Over the Top which came out of Dave and myself getting a synth pattern going and Bob thinking it was going into Master of the Universe. When it didn't and the others joined in, he then started his very good vocal ad lib (someone told me he used a poem he had already written), in any case it was all totally unrehearsed or even planned. Dave Brock - guitars and oscillators - he had lots of fun as usual in his white doctors coat and had lots of confidence in us new boys, Martin Griffin - drums, he had been Arks last drummer and had a share in a studio down in Cornwall. We all went down there shortly after Xmas to record a few overdubs onto the live tape. It was this over dubbed version that was used for the Sonic Assasins EP. Harvey Bainbridge, bass Harvey was a good mate although we've rather lost touch over the years. He's now living with his parents someone in the north of England and occasionally putting out some keyboard stuff. And myself on keyboards I was using my Wurlitzer electric piano through echo wahwah and distortion pedals, a string maching and a Roland SH100 synth and a second synth whose name escapes me, both of course were mono. The concert in the Queens Hall Barnstaple was a sell out (700 fire regulation capacity) and was a good party. This hall had been Ark's home ground and we could fill the place almost by ourselves so the added hawks was a big bonus. Ovef the next couple of years i got lots of correspondance and face to face comments suggesting that Sonic Assasins was the direction tHawkwind should have gone in but.......... When I joined the hawks regular line up for the US tour, it was apparent to me why Dave wanted to change - the vibes were really bad between al the different members. In fact I think i was the only one who was on talking terms with all the others - I ihadn't been around long enough to fall out with anyone. And Dave tried to get me into a lot of the radio interviews and made sure we talked about Sonic Assasins every time. But then, the tour came to an end and things were obviously falling apart quite seriously. We didn't play Quark as, although I think it was part written, it wasn't a complete item at that time. Well, that's all for this time. snipp(...) =========================================================================== Thats it folks cheers Bernhard From brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Apr 11 05:36:39 1999 From: brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Brian Coulthard) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 10:36:39 +0100 Subject: Weird Tapes In-Reply-To: <199904110901.FAA05597@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: My life is incomplete without theses gems so please consider me in on either tape or CDR From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Sun Apr 11 08:07:06 1999 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 13:07:06 +0100 Subject: HW: Bedouin gig Message-ID: 10th April - George IV - Brixton What can I say? An absolutely fabulous evening - Alan played some of the best bass I've ever heard - a 5 minute solo during Sputnik Stan that redefines how a bass can be abused. Huw LL joined them for LSD and Waiting for Tomorrow as an encore. Don't know the entire set list: Rock Palace Arioch Passion is an Animal Chasing the Dragon Birds Fake Fur Not Love Sputnik Stan LSD Waiting for Tomorrow Hell, even the support bands were good - 'nuff said. Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Apr 10 11:35:54 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 16:35:54 +0100 Subject: Elf & The Hawk - what is ths? In-Reply-To: <002101be8171$34117740$f7073ea6@mci2000.com> Message-ID: There is possibly a discrepancy on the price of the vinyl between dealers because it was listed incorrectly by the wholesalers. If you can genuinely get it for twenty bucks, snap them up. It is a thirty quid/ $45 item in the UK. The CD, on the other hand, is regular price. -- Jon From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Apr 11 11:40:58 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 11:40:58 EDT Subject: OFF: Fwd: you dont REALLY think kiss invented heavy metal, do ya jon? Message-ID: hi al! larry boyd here, online...stay tuned -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: DASLUD at aol.com Subject: Re: you dont REALLY think kiss invented heavy metal, do ya jon? Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 10:49:25 EDT Size: 4414 URL: From bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Apr 11 11:59:44 1999 From: bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 08:59:44 PDT Subject: BOC: Big Hair Night At Letchworth Pines Message-ID: Last night I drove out to the middle of nowhere to see BOC and their openers Firehouse and the Trolls. Little did I know that somewhere on lonely route 19A, I entered the Twilight Zone.... The strangeness began when out of a parking lot of hundreds of cars, I found myself parked next to a guy named Dave from the AOL board. I'd met him at a Brain Surgeons gig last summer. He told me that he had seen BOC very recently, so I asked him semi-jokingly, "Any big changes to the set list?" And he replied enthusiastically, "Yes!" Of course, I wanted it to be a surprise, so I didn't ask exactly what those new tunes might be. The strangeness continued as I must have passed though some kind of time warp at the front door. Ten years had suddenly pealed away and there I was in 1989. Big hair was everywhere. Budweisers in cans were plentiful. Hootin' and hollerin' was comensing. I soon discovered that these throwback fans in their Tesla T-shirts were here for a Firehouse show...plain and simple. I managed to catch the last of the Trolls set. "Dirty Deeds" and another classic rock staple whose name is on the tip of my tongue. It must not have been that great if I can't recall it. Then the crowd pushed and shoved its way to catch a glimpse of their ticket back to Jr. High School, Firehouse. Firehouse was professional. That's all I can really say. I got the feeling that if I had seen their previous show or their next show, it would have been the same. Never the less, the crowd was in their fist-pumping glory. I expected a lot of the crowd to leave before BOC hit the stage, but there was still a very healthy mob of BOC fans, and the BOC curious. A man saw my Cult T-shirt and asked me what the opener was going to be. (He had two beers riding on it with his buddies.) I guaranteed that it would be "Burnin' For You." Oh well.... The night's stangeness reached its peak with BOC's setlist: Stairway To the Stars Before the Kiss Harvester Of Eyes Cities On Flame Harvest Moon Career Of Evil Buck's Boogie Unknown Tongue See You In Black Astronomy Burnin' For You Godzilla Reaper Encore: Golden Age Of Leather Dominance & Submission It took the band a couple songs to get their energy up. (The fact that the keys were too loud and Buck was too quiet didn't help.) After "Kiss" the levels were straightened out and the sound was excellent. I could hear Eric clearly for once, and the keys and guitar mixed well- especially on "Buck's Boogie." "Career" was a shocker and it was definately heavier than on the record. "Unknown" was a real treat. I love the spooky keyboard break. The crowd began calling for Godzilla, however. One person even had little plastic Zilla-God they waved in front of the band. "Astronomy" was introduced as being a tune that Metallica covered. It sounded very close to the version on "Cult Classic," only a little more reved up because of the live setting. I think having the big 3 back together at the end is a mistake. Because the radio fans need to hear something familiar to keep their attention. They seemed a little out of it for the songs they'd never heard, especially "Unknown." Anyway, after a short period of "BOC...BOC" chants, the band blew me away with a kicking "GAOL." Danny's back-up vocals are really helping BOC get some serious harmonies going. "Dominance" got the crowd pumped one last time, and that's when I finally started to lose my voice. You know what part I'm talking about. ;-) So, 4:40 of music in a ten year time warp in the town that time forgot. It was strange, but I'm ready to see BOC again soon in Olean, NY. I think I can handle the big hair. Brian _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sun Apr 11 14:15:31 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 14:15:31 -0400 Subject: OFF: Gong world tour Message-ID: Hi Folks... Gong's tour is slowly coming together. The band is rather much a mystery, as is the kind of setlist they'll be doing. Below is the best 'rumoured' info I have. I've even heard mention of Steve Hillage showing up at a 30th anniv. reunion show somewhere on this tour, but I really doubt that'll happen. On the GAS site, there's mention that this will be a more experimental version of Gong, though I know Daevid has been performing tracks like Fohat at recent shows (in SF and the mysterious show on 4/9/99 in Cleveland). Keith H. (FAA) Some configuration of Gong is planning this ambitious worldwide tour. The lineup appears to be Daevid Allen, Pierre Moerlen, Mike Howlett (or Hugh Hopper?) and Gilli Smyth with guests Mark Hewins (guitar) and Theo Travis (sax). Didier Malherbe may guest on some dates (the French ones I imagine). 5/2 Vervier, Belgium (Spirit of 66) 32-(0)87-352-424 5/3 Hamburg, Germany (Fabrik) 49-(0)40-3910-7121 5/4 Berlin, Germany (Pfefferberg) 49-(0)30-7809-980 5/5 Wuppertal, Germany (Haus der Jugend) 49-(0)202-563-644 5/6 Karlsruhe, Germany (Substage) 49-(0)721-377-274 5/7 Frankfurt, Germany (U-Bahn/Miquelallee) 49-(0)69-239-918 5/8 Munich, Germany To Be Confirmed 5/11 Vienna, Austria (Szenewien) 0221-723-324 5/12-13 Austria gigs TBC 5/14-16 Italy 2/3 dates in N. Italy TBC 5/18-19 France 2 dates in S. E. France TBC 5/26 Wheaton MD, near Wash. DC (Phantasmagoria) TBC (w/ Porcupine Tree) 5/27 New York City (Kniting Factory) TBC (w/ Porcupine Tree) 5/29 San Francisco (Palace of Fine Arts) 5th Annual ProgFest 6/2 Los Angeles (House of Blues) 6/3 Mexico City (Possible double header with Magma at a Festival) 6/8 Milwaukee (Shank Hall) 6/10 Chicago (House of Blues) TBC 6/11 Cleveland (Phantasy) TBC 6/15-19 Korea to be arranged 6/20-28 Japan to be arranged From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Sun Apr 11 18:58:03 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:58:03 -0400 Subject: BOC: Patti Smith's (new?) lyricbook Message-ID: Hey gang, Perused the music section of a local bookvendor and in that new hardcover Patti Smith lyric book, there's a photo of the "original" lyrics "The Revenge of Verga Gemini." >From what my less than photographic memory could retain, the original title was simply "Vera Gemini," there was 3/4 lines of verse before the "You're boned like a saint with te consiousness of a snake," no "24th of May" line, and there were more words to the beast in general. Neat to read. Also, "Fire of Unknown Origin" is in the book, too, in a far shorter thingy than we recall from the FoUO LP. Sadly, it's title is a misnomer. It's complete only for Patti Smith LPs; No "Career of Evil," "Baby Ice Dog" or any other BOC/Brain Surgeon related verbiage. The book does credit Allen laneir for contributing music to some of the songs that were included in the tome though. Destruction, oblivion, holocaust, Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Sun Apr 11 20:25:25 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:25:25 +0900 Subject: Wierd tapes - who wants 'em. Message-ID: And me Dave "Andrew A. Apold" wrote: > >On Fri, 9 Apr 1999, M Holmes wrote: > > > >:Subject: Re: Wierd tapes - who wants 'em. > >: > > >:Gotta know how many folks want a set of the 8 tapes though.... > > > >I'd be up for the 8 tapes and a cd-r deal :) > -- Dave Greenhalgh ICQ#33513470 From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Apr 11 21:42:53 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:42:53 EDT Subject: OFF: Salman Rushdie column BOSTON GLOBE 9 apr. '99 Message-ID: YOU SAY YOU WANT A REVOLUTION... <<<>> i recently asked vaclav havel about his admiration for the rock icon lou reed. he replied that it was impossible to overstate the importance of rock music for the czech resistance during the years of darkness between the prague spring and the collapse of communism. i was just relishing the mental image of the leaders of the czech grooving to the sound of the velvet underground playing "waiting for the man", "i'll be your mirror, or "all tomorrow's parties" when havel spoke again. "why", he asked me, with a straight face, "do you think we called it the Velvet Revolution?" i took this to be an instance of havel's deadpan humor, but it was a joke of the sort that reveals another, less literal truth, a generational truth, perhaps,because for popular music fans of a certain age the ideas of rock and revolution are inseparably linked. "you say you want a revolution", john lennon had sneered at us."well, you know/we all want to change the world" and indeed with the passage of the years i had come to think of this linkage as little more than youthful romanticism. so the discovery that a real revolution had been in part inspired by rock music's glamorous snarl was pretty moving. it felt like a sort of validation. because now that nobody smashes guitars or protests about much any more, now that rock n' roll is middle-aged of and corporate and the turnover of the leading mega-groups exceeds that of small nation states, now that it's music for older people remembering their salad days while the kids listen to gansta rap, trance music, or hip-hop, and bob dylan and aretha franklin get ivited to sing at presidential inaugurals, it's easy to forget the form's oppositional origins, its antiestablishment heyday. yet rock n' roll's rough, confident spirit of rebellion may be one reason why this strange, simple, overwhelming noise conquered the world nearly half a century ago, crossing all frontiers and barriers of language and culture to become only the third globalized phenomenon in history after the two world wars. it was the sound of liberation, so it spoke to the free spirits of young people everywhere, and so also, of course, our mothers didnt like it. after she became aware of my fondness for bill haley, elvis, and jerry lee lewis, my own alarmed mother began eagerly to advocate the virtues of pat boone, a man who once sang a treacly ballad addressed to a mule. but i was trying to imitate the curl of presley's lips and the swoon-inducing rotation of his hips, and i suspect boys everywhere, from siberia to patagonia, were doing the same. what sounded and felt to us like freedom loooked to the adult world like bad behavior, and in a way both things are true. pelvis-wiggling and guitar-smashing are indeed librty's childish fringe; but it's also true, in all sorts of ways we have learned much more about as adults, that freedom is dangerous. Freedom, that ancient foot-tapping anarchy, the dionysiac antithesis of pat boone: a higher and wilder virtue than good behavior, and, for all its spirit of hairy late-night rebellion, far less likely than than blind obedience and line-toeing convention to do serious damage. better a few trashed hotel suites than a trashed world. but there is that in us which doesnt want to be free: which prefers discipline and acceptance and patriotic local tunes to the wild, loose-limbed love -music of the world. there is that in us which wishes simply to go along with the crowd, and to blame all nay-sayers and pelvis-wigglers for rocking our comfortable boat. "don't follow leaders" bob dylan warned in "subterranean homesick blues", "watch the parking meters". yet we continue to want to be led, to follow petty warlords and murderous ayatollahs and nationalist brutes, or to suck our thumbs and listen quiescently to nanny states which insist they know what's best for us. so tyrants abound from belgrade to mumbai, and even those of us who are notionally free peoples are no longer, for the most part, very rock and roll. the music of freedom frightens people and unleashes all manner of conservative defense mechanisms. as long as orpheus could raise his voice in song, the maenada could not kill him. then they screamed, and their shrill cacophony drowned his music, and then their weapons found their mark, and he fell, and they tore him limb from limb. screaming against orpheus, we too become capable of murder. the collapse of communism was supposed to usher in a new era of liberty. instead, the post-cold war world, suddenly formless and full of possibility, scared many of us stiff. we retreated behind smaller iron curtains, built smaller stockades, imprisoned ourselves in narrower, ever more fanatical definitions of ourselves --religious, regional, ethnic-- and readied ourselves for war. today, as the thunder of one such war drowns out the sweet singing of our better selves, i find myself nostalgic for the old spirit of independence and idealism which once, set infectiously to music, helped bring another war (in vietnam) to an end. but at present the only music in the air is a dead march. all the commas are his any typos are mine "<>" larry b From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Sun Apr 11 21:40:38 1999 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (Sonique) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:40:38 +1100 Subject: Wierd tapes - who wants 'em. Message-ID: On 9 Apr 99, at 11:49, M Holmes wrote: > For the sake of research, who'd be interested? Mike, I'd also be interested in a set of the tapes. I'd also be happy to collect Aussie $ from the others from down under and then send you the money in Sterling if that would help anybody out s. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Apr 12 00:36:50 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 00:36:50 -0400 Subject: OFF: Salman Rushdie column BOSTON GLOBE 9 apr. '99 In-Reply-To: <3deb6822.2442a99d@aol.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Apr 1999 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: => YOU SAY YOU WANT A REVOLUTION... => <<<>> => => i recently asked vaclav havel about his admiration for the rock icon lou => reed. he replied that it was impossible to overstate the importance of rock => music for the czech resistance during the years of darkness between the => prague spring and the collapse of communism. I once read that Vaclav Havel's all-time favourite album is _Bongo Fury_. A guy like that can't be all bad... :-) Cheers, Paul. NP: The Mothers of Invention, _We're Only in it For the Money_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK Mon Apr 12 04:31:11 1999 From: a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK (Alun Hughes) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:31:11 +0100 Subject: Wierd tapes - who wants 'em. Message-ID: >For the sake of research, who'd be interested? Yep. I had them all once, but some years ago some bastard broke into my car and nicked them all. I've never got round to replacing them, but if I could get hold of them on CD ... - Alun From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Apr 12 06:55:07 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:55:07 +0100 Subject: OFF: groovin' gigs in Grantabrycg Message-ID: Dumpy plays Cambridge this Thursday, and Bedouin on the 21st. Ooo, and the sun's coming out too :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Apr 12 08:48:35 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 08:48:35 EDT Subject: BOC: Big Hair Night At Letchworth Pines In-Reply-To: <19990411155945.89680.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > > I managed to catch the last of the Trolls set. "Dirty Deeds" and > another classic rock staple whose name is on the tip of my tongue. It > must not have been that great if I can't recall it. Then the crowd > pushed and shoved its way to catch a glimpse of their ticket back to > Jr. High School, Firehouse. > I missed the Trolls, thankfully, but didn't manage to time the long trip well enough to also miss Firehouse. But I saw a 30-ish woman wearing a Trolls t-shirt, the back of which proclaimed: "Buffalo's Best Band" and under that: "'89-90-91-92" Apparently they won some poll, probably by a local paper. Hmm, well a lot of people like Barbra Streisand too... > Firehouse was professional. That's all I can really say. I got the > feeling that if I had seen their previous show or their next show, it > would have been the same. Never the less, the crowd was in their > fist-pumping glory. 'Course you could almost say the same thing 'bout BOC too, or any number of other bands. Firehouse is one of that pathetic legion that includes Tesla, Great White, Warrant, Slaughter etc. The most tragic thing is that these guys can play their instruments very well. Their drummer was amazing--but it's all wasted playing such utter ---GARBAGE. How come nobody can manage these groups, and put them in touch with some good lyrics? With some decent material, Firehouse could be listenable, but obviously, a bunch of guys this clueless never will get the message. Sometimes best to just keep sowing the same furrow, witness Dokken's last couple of albums, where their pitiable attempts to reinvent themselves fooled nobody... > > I expected a lot of the crowd to leave before BOC hit the stage, but > there was still a very healthy mob of BOC fans, and the BOC curious. > A man saw my Cult T-shirt and asked me what the opener was going to > be. (He had two beers riding on it with his buddies.) I guaranteed > that it would be "Burnin' For You." Oh well.... > No, they stayed en masse. This place was packed to the rafters. I have no clue how this joint, a good hour from any city, could be so big, and so full of swarming farmers! There is a state college only a few miles away, so I expect this was a factor. But these people attending didn't look anything like college students to this old dude [who happens to work at a university] But I guess that college students going to S.U. look a lot different than those attending Hay Seed Tech? There also were a lot of folks in their 30s. And these folks were hammered! Lots of beer spilling, stumbling, fumbling etc. Couples exploring the insides of each others mouths, and any projections from their bodies that they could get their hands on! I felt like a voyeur... > The night's stangeness reached its peak with BOC's setlist: You forgot Flaming Telepaths! Great set, but they omitted Last Days, which I would've liked. But a good tradeoff, seeing that they did Career of Evil, which I haven't heard in years, and Unknown Tongue, not a fave of mine, but always a gas to hear something different. And, of course, Astronomy was amazing. Haven't heard that live in ages... > It took the band a couple songs to get their energy up. (The fact > that the keys were too loud and Buck was too quiet didn't help.) Buck is never loud enough! But overall, the sound was great... > After "Kiss" the levels were straightened out and the sound was > excellent. I could hear Eric clearly for once, and the keys and > guitar mixed well- especially on "Buck's Boogie." "Career" was a > shocker and it was definately heavier than on the record. "Unknown" > was a real treat. I love the spooky keyboard break. The crowd began > calling for Godzilla, however. One person even had little plastic > Zilla-God they waved in front of the band. "Astronomy" was introduced > as being a tune that Metallica covered. It sounded very close to the > version on "Cult Classic," only a little more reved up because of the > live setting. > Eric was really pumped for this gig. I think the huge crowd may have had a positive effect on the group. Bloom was rapping to the crowd a lot, and he was in great voice. He did a great intro to Godzilla, about the big guy swimming up Keuka lake, etc...[EB went to college in the area--Hobart, I think] Buck's playing was a little sloppy in spots, but it was so much fun seeing the band enjoying itself, that it didn't matter. Some gigs the band looks a bit sluggish, but not this night. I think BD might have had a cold, as his voice was giving him trouble at times. And they played a decent long set, about an hour and 40 mins. The encores were great. Golden Age is in the set from time to time, so it wasn't a complete surprise--they've done it twice in the past 6 times I've seen them. Both musically and vocally, the song rocked. They followed with a kick-ass D&S--a real treat. Unknown Tongue worked very well. It seems to be well suited to the current lineup. Allen played a lot of keys tonight, and overall seemed to be having a gas. Maybe the time off did him good? Career worked very well too. Sounds like the group is having fun dusting off the old tunes. Maybe they've regained some confidence since releasing HF, and I expect that Astronomy's presence on the Metallica disc has jazzed them somewhat. Hope they keep tossing in surprises now and then. Danny continues to amaze. Great work in Recap and groovin' solo in 'Zilla. Danny is a great drummer. Does as good a job as possible in replacing Al. More traditional metal drumming that AB, more predictable, but he's got chops galore > I think having the big 3 back together at the end is a mistake. > Because the radio fans need to hear something familiar to keep their > attention. They seemed a little out of it for the songs they'd never > heard, especially "Unknown." Agreed. I think they should separate the 3, and use them to keep the crowd on its toes. Still, no matter how many times I hear it, Reaper gives me goosebumps. BD did an incredible intro to it, solo. Damn, I wish I had that on tape. He kind of meanders around the fretboard in the same key, then finished witha downward progression that puts him right at the intro to Reaper. This was killer! Really pumped up an old tune... > > So, 4:40 of music in a ten year time warp in the town that time > forgot. It was strange, but I'm ready to see BOC again soon in Olean, > NY. I think I can handle the big hair. > > Brian I hope to make that show too, but I tell ya, this last one almost wasted me. Didn't get home til 415! I'm too old for this shit. I got followed by a cop car for a couple of miles through the throbbing metropolis of Nunda and it blew my mind. I was driving my little car like it was a 747! Hard to drive so slow and keep your sanity. I hadn't had a single drink, but I didn't feel like having my car searched either! Sorry I didn't stick around to hook up with ya, Brian, but I knew I had over 2 hours of driving to get home. Overall, a great BOC show! theo From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Mon Apr 12 09:01:12 1999 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Patrick C.) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:01:12 +1000 Subject: Gong world tour Message-ID: > From: Keith Henderson > Subject: OFF: Gong world tour > Date: Monday, April 12, 1999 4:15 AM > > Hi Folks... > > Gong's tour is slowly coming together. The band is rather much a mystery, > as is the kind of setlist they'll be doing. Below is the best 'rumoured' > info I have. Any chance of Australia being included as part of the world yet?? -Patrick From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Mon Apr 12 09:11:22 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Gekke Henkie) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:11:22 +0200 Subject: off:Moorcock calender Message-ID: Hi, I asked info about the calender a while ago and have not responded. My computer broke down, and I'm righnt now using my compu at work to acces my mail. It might take a while before I will be able to respond. I'm still interested. Thanks, --BArt From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Apr 12 09:19:21 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:19:21 EDT Subject: BOC: Big Hair Night At Letchworth Pines In-Reply-To: <8413DD6253@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: Forgot to mention that EB was wearing a HF t-shirt. Wish that was available. Also, they had a new [or new to me at least] t-shirt for sale, and a baseball shirt that looked kind of cool. Did you check out any of this stuff, Brian? theo From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Mon Apr 12 09:19:00 1999 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:19:00 +0100 Subject: Wierd tapes - who wan Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1999-04-12 14:18 Please include me on this as well (used to have a couple of them a while back)... Problem might me that I will have to unsubscribe soon (end of this week) - Mr. Holmes, are you the central scrutiniser for this project? If so, please could you send me your e-mail address so I can keep in touch whilst off the list? If not, please ignore this message! Many thanks, Mark From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Mon Apr 12 09:30:00 1999 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:30:00 +0100 Subject: OFF: Salman Rushdie c Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1999-04-12 14:30 >I once read that Vaclav Havel's all-time favourite album is _Bongo >Fury_. A guy like that can't be all bad... :-) >Cheers, >Paul. Didn't he also try to get FZ as something like "Cultural Ambassador for the Czech Republic" - can't remember the exact details but didn't FZ lose out on the deal because an American politician (Baker?) moved in to block it. Mark obCD: Got to plug this one: Jeff Beck's latest "Who Else?". Different feel to Guitar Workshop but still pretty damn good - just a shame we have to wait 10 years between albums! From bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Apr 12 10:03:12 1999 From: bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 07:03:12 PDT Subject: BOC: Big Hair Night At Letchworth Pines Message-ID: I said: >> Firehouse was professional. That's all I can really say. I got the >> feeling that if I had seen their previous show or their next show, it >> would have been the same. Never the less, the crowd was in their >> fist-pumping glory. Theo replied: >'Course you could almost say the same thing 'bout BOC too, or any >number of other bands. It just seemed like the solos were taken off a record, where Buck takes the structure and plays around with it from show to show. Firehouse is one of that pathetic legion that >includes Tesla, Great White, Warrant, Slaughter etc. The most >tragic thing is that these guys can play their instruments very >well. Their drummer was amazing--but it's all wasted playing such >utter ---GARBAGE. How come nobody can manage these groups, and put >them in touch with some good lyrics? With some decent material, >Firehouse could be listenable, but obviously, a bunch of guys this >clueless never will get the message. Sometimes best to just keep >sowing the same furrow, witness Dokken's last couple of albums, where >their pitiable attempts to reinvent themselves fooled nobody... There was a guy in a Tesla shirt in front of me who was in his glory. He even managed to score 3 picks and the setlist.... I overheard some people talking about the gig in the parking lot and a guy said that he enjoyed Firehouse more, but thought BOC was a much better band. >And >these folks were hammered! Lots of beer spilling, stumbling, >fumbling etc. Couples exploring the insides of each others mouths, >and any projections from their bodies that they could get their hands >on! I felt like a voyeur... I went to college in the Southern Tier. There's nothing else to do on a weekend.... >You forgot Flaming Telepaths! Oh yeah. A good run at it too. Not as frantic as the one they played at the New Hartford gig, but still great. >BD did an incredible intro to it, solo. Damn, >I wish I had that on tape. He kind of meanders around the fretboard >in the same key, then finished witha downward progression that puts >him right at the intro to Reaper. This was killer! Really pumped up >an old tune... I agree. That was the best intro to Reaper I've heard him play. I watched the crowd for their expressions when Buck kicked into a song they actually knew. ;-) They were definatley into it. Lots of people dancing and grinding in drunken euphoria. >> Brian >I hope to make that show too, but I tell ya, this last one almost >wasted me. Didn't get home til 415! I'm too old for this shit. I >got followed by a cop car for a couple of miles through the >throbbing metropolis of Nunda and it blew my mind. I was driving my >little car like it was a 747! Hard to drive so slow and keep your >sanity. I hadn't had a single drink, but I didn't feel like having >my car searched either! Sorry I didn't stick around to hook up with >ya, Brian, but I knew I had over 2 hours of driving to get home. No problem. I wanted to get out asap too and beat the drunk drivers to the road. It's a good thing you didn't drink- a can of Bud was $2.50! Oh well, it got me through the Trolls at least. Brian _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Apr 12 10:07:17 1999 From: bthalligan at HOTMAIL.COM (Brian Halligan) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 07:07:17 PDT Subject: BOC: Big Hair Night At Letchworth Pines Message-ID: >From: "Ted Jackson jr. s2h2" >Forgot to mention that EB was wearing a HF t-shirt. Wish that was >available. Also, they had a new [or new to me at least] t-shirt for >sale, and a baseball shirt that looked kind of cool. Did you check >out any of this stuff, Brian? > >theo No, I was up by the stage for almost all of the show. When it was over I slipped out the side door where the bands' vans were parked. That HF shirt was cool though. Brian _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Mon Apr 12 10:29:23 1999 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:29:23 +1000 Subject: Gong world tour Message-ID: "Patrick C." wrote: > > Any chance of Australia being included as part of the world yet?? Well, you'd like to think that wouldn't you. But then again, since several of them hail from the country or have spent some time living here that they would. Perhaps they can tour with Hawkwind? Feel like starting up OzGongs Paul? :') - Max Wilcox From christou at AS.ARIZONA.EDU Mon Apr 12 11:50:46 1999 From: christou at AS.ARIZONA.EDU (Julian Christou) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:50:46 -0600 Subject: Weird Tapes Message-ID: I'm interested in the CD-R preferably or the tapes secondly. Julian From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Apr 12 11:23:32 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:23:32 -0500 Subject: BOC: Big Hair Night At Letchworth Pines Message-ID: "The Light Comes on The set is down The curtains flown away To all you creatures of the night I say its time we play..." Damn good review Brian, sounds like a good time was had by all. L8er Ghost in the Ruins "The Minstrel and the Sorcerer Are switching their disguise The jester drinks and starts to think That he alone is wise..." From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Apr 12 15:53:19 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:53:19 -0700 Subject: HW: Sonic Assassins 77 memories by PAUL HAYLES Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Apr 1999 09:47:56 +0200, Bernhard Pospiech quoted former Sonic Assassin Paul Hayles as follows: >We were >supported by a band called Osmosis or something like that who were led by a >couple of guys who had been in Ark (the band that myself, Harvey and Martin >had played in previously). They also had our old dancer, Lois, who went on to >work with the Rocky Horror Show. Harry Williamson, their guitarist, was the >son of the well known English writer, Henry Williamson (Tarka the Otter etc) >and he went on to design stages for the Rolling Stones and now lives in >Australia. Is this the same Harry Williamson who wrote "Nuclear Waste" and did that silly single with Nik Turner and Sting? >And myself on keyboards I was using my Wurlitzer electric piano >through echo wahwah and distortion pedals, a string maching and a Roland >SH100 synth and a second synth whose name escapes me, both of course were >mono. Actually (back in music gear geek mode, sorry!) it's the Roland SH-1000 (there's no SH-100, although in the early 80s, Roland came out with the SH-101, which is a cheap favorite of many current space rock bands, such as ST37). It looks like a cheesy old organ because it has all these colored plastic tabs used to select presets (it was one of the first-ever synthesizers with preset sounds, although the Arp Pro Soloist [as used by Tony Banks for all those old Genesis synth leads] preceded it) or modulation routings, but it also has knobs with which to tweak out weirder sounds. I love the processed Wurlitzer sound on the Sonic Assassins recordings! Gritty electric piano sounds are great, not like the mushy Fender Rhodes sound that makes me think of Steely Dan (and puts me to sleep). Thanks for passing this message on to the list, Bernhard! Memories of former Hawkwind members and/or associates are always great to read! -Doug ceres at sirius.com From Hawkfan at ZAROZINIA.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Apr 11 10:30:27 1999 From: Hawkfan at ZAROZINIA.DEMON.CO.UK (Dave) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 15:30:27 +0100 Subject: Wierd tapes - who wants 'em. In-Reply-To: <001c01be834d$91777c80$052aa8c0@Daddy.Family> Message-ID: In article <001c01be834d$91777c80$052aa8c0 at Daddy.Family>, Vince LeGrand writes >>In a message dated 99-04-09 06:51:07 EDT, you write: >> >><< I could probably do this and try to arrange a bulk deal with Wolden if >> there are enough people wanting 'em to justify the effort. The deal with >> Wolden used to be 5 Pounds per tape (times 8 tapes) but with numbers >> maybe the unit cost could be negotiated down. >> I would be interested in a full set of tapes sign me up -- Dave From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Apr 12 12:53:56 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:53:56 +0100 Subject: OFF: Salman Rushdie In-Reply-To: <5211@ems.rail.co.uk> Message-ID: At 14:30 12/04/99 +0100, you wrote: >From: Mark Edmonds >Date: 1999-04-12 14:30 > >>I once read that Vaclav Havel's all-time favourite album is _Bongo >>Fury_. A guy like that can't be all bad... :-) >>Cheers, >>Paul. > >Didn't he also try to get FZ as something like "Cultural Ambassador for >the Czech Republic" - can't remember the exact details but didn't FZ lose >out on the deal because an American politician (Baker?) moved in to block >it. > >Mark That's right - I'm not sure who stiffed the arrangement, but Havel was told in no uncertain terms that Mr. Zappa would NOT be considered a suitable emissary and that he damn well better find someone who was! > >obCD: Got to plug this one: Jeff Beck's latest "Who Else?". Different >feel to Guitar Workshop but still pretty damn good - just a shame we have >to wait 10 years between albums! > This is high on my to hear/buy list, but since I've just found out that fixing my car will cost the best part of 3000GBP (rod through the block!) I don't think I'll be buying much for the rest of the year! :-{(> ChrisW P.S. Just played the cover CD from the latest "Uncut" Magazine: "City In Flames" by Trans Am just blew me away - anybody know anything about this band? Free your mind & watch your ass! From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Apr 13 07:10:35 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:10:35 +0000 Subject: BOC: Big Hair Night At Letchworth Pines Message-ID: > Forgot to mention that EB was wearing a HF t-shirt. Wish that was > available. Also, they had a new [or new to me at least] t-shirt for > sale, and a baseball shirt that looked kind of cool. Did you check > out any of this stuff, Brian? > > theo I bought one of the new HF tour shirts -- the one with the eye on the back -- when they played Binghamton. Never saw one of the baseball shirts...wish I had, though! -- Nick From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Tue Apr 13 21:33:54 1999 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (Sonique) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:33:54 +1100 Subject: Gong world tour Message-ID: On 13 Apr 99, at 0:29, Max Wilcox wrote: > "Patrick C." wrote: > > > > Any chance of Australia being included as part of the world yet?? > > Well, you'd like to think that wouldn't you. But then again, since > several of them hail from the country or have spent some time living here > that they would. > Perhaps they can tour with Hawkwind? Feel like starting up OzGongs > Paul? :') Hmmm .. perhaps not. I recieved a transcript of a Daevid Allen spoken word piece performed in Byron Bay around christmas, and our 'dear' pot-headed pixie is very anti-australian these days it seems. Then again it was a 'performance' .... s. From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Tue Apr 13 23:11:51 1999 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:11:51 +1000 Subject: Gong world tour Message-ID: Sonique wrote: > Hmmm .. perhaps not. I recieved a transcript of a Daevid Allen spoken > word piece performed in Byron Bay around christmas, and our 'dear' > pot-headed pixie is very anti-australian these days it seems. Then > again it was a 'performance' .... *expletive deleted* Damn! I was in the area around christmas and I had no idea. Complain complain... Right, got that over with - now that's interesting to know. Anti in what way? I mean there have been certain political occurrences hereabouts in the recent past that I'm not surprised he'd be anti, for example. Max From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Wed Apr 14 07:58:55 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 07:58:55 -0400 Subject: BOC: Big Hair Night At Letchworth Pines Message-ID: I was quite surprised to see the number of different shirts (4) at the last concert (New Haven). Baseball shirt, Cross.Claw symbol with dates on the back, HF - eye with dates, and the Godzilla/five guitar/Reaper collage one. > ---------- > From: [SMTP:nick at THECAMPUS.COM] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 7:10 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: BOC: Big Hair Night At Letchworth Pines > > > Forgot to mention that EB was wearing a HF t-shirt. Wish that was > > available. Also, they had a new [or new to me at least] t-shirt for > > sale, and a baseball shirt that looked kind of cool. Did you check > > out any of this stuff, Brian? > > > > theo > > I bought one of the new HF tour shirts -- the one with the eye on the > back -- when they played Binghamton. Never saw one of the baseball > shirts...wish I had, though! > > -- Nick > From age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Apr 14 06:53:04 1999 From: age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Adrian Parr) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:53:04 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind LP Covers Message-ID: Hi Folks Can anyone help me out with colour copies of the following album covers? 1. Dragon Fly (the one with Jefferson Starship in 1974) 2. Rock On (the one with V.D.G.G in 1977) All the best Age Visit the "Hawkeye on Hawkwind" website at: http://www.conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk/index.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Apr 14 09:04:52 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:04:52 -0400 Subject: OFF: Mother Gong Message-ID: Hi there... Just saw this announcement. For those interested and in the Bay Area (perhaps only Doug). Bit of trivia...I believe Sami Kaneda is Shawn Ahearn's wife, he being the person responsible for ProgFest where Gong and Porky Tree will play as well as coordinating with Jim Lascko on the (hopefully) upcoming Fall Hawkwind tour. Keith H. (FAA) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Gilli Smyth of Gong and Mother Gong will be performing in SF on Friday April 16 -- The show will be at Hush Hush, 496 14th St. between Guererro and Valencia at 8PM Sharp, so come early. Admission is $5.00 or more if you feel generous. Gilli will be performing material from her new album Goddess T- Electric Shiatsu soon to be released on Voiceprint in the UK. She will also be doing an improv set with James Rotondi and Pierce MacDowell. Also performing will be Sami Kaneda doing some traditional Japanese songs with piano accompaniment. The entire show is to end by 10 or 10:30 so it will be an early night of wonderful music. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 14 10:23:09 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:23:09 +0100 Subject: yet another Hawkwind album Message-ID: Just got a copy of : Live 1970-1972 This turns out to be a rerelease of The Text of Festival faithfully reproducing a listing for the missing "Came Home" track and also without the last side of the double LP. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 14 10:47:19 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:47:19 +0100 Subject: Weird Tapes project update Message-ID: So far I've been unable to speak to anyone at Wolden Studios since the phone is never answered. Perhaps I have an out of date number. Does anyone have a modern one? It does look like there are around a dozen people interested in obtaining the tapes and a CD-R backup of these so if I can get in touch with Wolden, I'll ask for a quote for a dozen sets of the 8 tapes and see if we can agree on a price lower than the original 5 Pounds per tape plus postage. I've been investigating making CD-R backups of 'em. Using a product called Feurio to investigate lengths of supplied CD-R's, it looks like overburning some CDR74's should do the job if I'm careful to choose the ones which are long enough (they vary by around 30 seconds even within a batch and we're close to the limits to get it all on 5 CDRs). I've also investigated how to package 'em and have found a source for CD boxes which will hold 6 CDs. These amount to the usual wide double CD case (such as was used for a release of Space Ritual). The middle section is adjusted to hold two CDs and the two outer trays, instead of being the usual CD trays, are replaced by the hinged double sided trays used for thin double CD's (as used for The 1999 Party). Unfortunately it will cost me 2 Pounds per unit plus postage to order these. However, I believe it would be worth this to have a means to keep the whole collection together. It will also save on postage costs of sending out 5 normal CD cases. Another saving will be that instead of printing 5 front and 5 back covers for the CD's I'll need to print only what amounts to 2 back covers. If I print using the photo colour cartridge along with the colour cartridge for best effect, that will actually be quite a saving (printing an A4 sheet this way costs around 40p-50p in ink costs as far as I can figure). I may also be able to order CD-R's cheaper on a spindle without the boxes. The savings should hopefully about balance out the costs of the boxes. Kevin had some ideas about cover artwork which looked good. There is the question of tracklists which are going to be quite long (and there'll be five of them). The total printing will be the two CD back covers plus the five roundel stickers to go on the CD's themselves. That doesn't seem to give a lot since presumably we won't want tracklists on the front cover and there may not easily be room on a roundel. I'm skeptical that an inkjet printer will be able to put 5 long tracklists on one back cover at a size which will be readable. It would be possible to print each back insert as double sided, though I haven't tried this for alignment in my small deskjet printer yet. And again that ups costs. The other question is what quality of paper to use. Photo paper works very well with that cartridge system but costs more (50p-60p per sheet). Finally we need to give some thought as to which CD-Rs to use for the actual backups. It's known that some CD-Rs won't play in older CD players. This varies from brand to brand as I understand it and also with the age of the CD player. I'm pretty new to this CD-R game and so would appreciate comments as regards brand selection. Again this will also have implications for costs. Over to you guys for comments... FoFP From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Wed Apr 14 10:39:58 1999 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:39:58 +1000 Subject: OFF: Mother Gong Message-ID: Keith Henderson wrote: > Gilli Smyth of Gong and Mother Gong will be performing in SF on Friday > April 16 -- The show will be at Hush Hush, 496 14th St. between Guererro > and Valencia at 8PM Sharp, so come early. My only response to this is "jeezzzuusss I wish I could be at that". Yet another Gong-related "damn" from me. Becoming a habit. Really keen to hear a new album from her, though. Big fan, me. - Max From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Apr 14 11:02:49 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 16:02:49 +0100 Subject: Weird Tapes project update Message-ID: On ons 14 apr 1999 15.47 +0100 "M Holmes" wrote: > I've been investigating making CD-R backups of 'em. Using a product > called Feurio to investigate lengths of supplied CD-R's, it looks like > overburning some CDR74's should do the job if I'm careful to choose the > ones which are long enough (they vary by around 30 seconds even within a > batch and we're close to the limits to get it all on 5 CDRs). Hasn't some of the WT material appeared on CD? I think we give ourselves some margin of error by ditching some of those tracks. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Wed Apr 14 11:30:31 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Gekke Henkie) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 17:30:31 +0200 Subject: Weird Tapes project update In-Reply-To: <199904141447.PAA04728@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Wow, this project looks great to me... Op 14 Apr 99, om 15:47, M Holmes schreef: > > It does look like there are around a dozen people interested in > obtaining the tapes and a CD-R backup of these so if I can get in touch > with Wolden, I'll ask for a quote for a dozen sets of the 8 tapes and see > if we can agree on a price lower than the original 5 Pounds per tape plus > postage. Well a lower price is always better, but if it still is 5 pounds thats not a problem with me. [SNIP] > I've also investigated how to package 'em and have found a source for CD > boxes which will hold 6 CDs. These amount to the usual wide double CD case > (such as was used for a release of Space Ritual). The middle section is > adjusted to hold two CDs and the two outer trays, instead of being the > usual CD trays, are replaced by the hinged double sided trays used for > thin double CD's (as used for The 1999 Party). This pakage is great! It also gives you the chance to make it a 6 cd- set as a 5-cd set seems to be tricky. [SNIP] > > Kevin had some ideas about cover artwork which looked good. There is the > question of tracklists which are going to be quite long (and there'll be You can also print an extra sheet with the tracklistings. It fits easily in the box. > five of them). The total printing will be the two CD back covers plus the > five roundel stickers to go on the CD's themselves. That doesn't seem to I am a little afraid cd-stickers. A friend of mine had some of his cd-r backups "eaten-alive" by some some weird sticker glue! > give a lot since presumably we won't want tracklists on the front cover > and there may not easily be room on a roundel. I'm skeptical that an > inkjet printer will be able to put 5 long tracklists on one back cover at > a size which will be readable. Even a laserjet will be doubtfull! ;-( > > It would be possible to print each back insert as double sided, though I > haven't tried this for alignment in my small deskjet printer yet. And > again that ups costs. The other question is what quality of paper to use. > Photo paper works very well with that cartridge system but costs more > (50p-60p per sheet). Doublesided printing will give you a lot of work! Foto-paper for the inserts would be nice.. > > Finally we need to give some thought as to which CD-Rs to use for the > actual backups. It's known that some CD-Rs won't play in older CD players. > This varies from brand to brand as I understand it and also with the age > of the CD player. I'm pretty new to this CD-R game and so would appreciate > comments as regards brand selection. Again this will also have > implications for costs. There are special CD-R for music. They are more expensive though. Well considering this project, it looks like an expensive operation: Total price will be around: 8 tapes = 40 pounds 5-6 CD's = 10 pounds Inners/tracklist = 5 pounds Shipping/handling = 5 pounds Did I miss out something? Well, go for it, I'm in! --BArt From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Apr 14 11:47:27 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 16:47:27 +0100 Subject: Weird Tapes project update Message-ID: On ons 14 apr 1999 17.30 +0200 "Gekke Henkie" wrote: > Well considering this project, it looks like an expensive operation: Being poor, I am in favour of cost cutting measures :) I can live without fancy packaging if it means saving a few quid :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Wed Apr 14 12:01:45 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Gekke Henkie) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:01:45 +0200 Subject: Weird Tapes project update In-Reply-To: <249495.3133097247@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: Op 14 Apr 99, om 16:47, Carl Edlund Anderson schreef: > > Being poor, I am in favour of cost cutting measures :) I > can live without fancy packaging if it means saving a few quid :) couldn't disagree more...just kidding ;-) Well you have a point here. Fancy packaging meens more costs. Maybe it's possible to make a 'budget'-version, consisting of the tapes and cd's_without packaging_? Or will this make the project a bureaucratic monster. Everyone involved wants another way of packaging to save some money/spend some more money. --BArt From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 14 12:55:07 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 17:55:07 +0100 Subject: Weird Tapes project update In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Wed, 14 Apr 1999 16:02:49 +0100 Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > On ons 14 apr 1999 15.47 +0100 "M Holmes" wrote: > > I've been investigating making CD-R backups of 'em. Using a product > > called Feurio to investigate lengths of supplied CD-R's, it looks like > > overburning some CDR74's should do the job if I'm careful to choose the > > ones which are long enough (they vary by around 30 seconds even within a > > batch and we're close to the limits to get it all on 5 CDRs). > > Hasn't some of the WT material appeared on CD? I think we > give ourselves some margin of error by ditching some of those > tracks. Well yes. The Sonic Assassins stuff for example. However I'm loath to break up the collection. Indeed I'm keen to recollect similar stuff together and to add to it closely related material such as reuniting The Golden Void with the other tracks from the Sonic Assassins gig. Am I alone in this? > Carl FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 14 13:03:18 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:03:18 +0100 Subject: Weird Tapes project update In-Reply-To: Gekke Henkie's message of Wed, 14 Apr 1999 17:30:31 +0200 Message-ID: Gekke Henkie writes: > Wow, this project looks great to me... > > Op 14 Apr 99, om 15:47, M Holmes schreef: > > > > > It does look like there are around a dozen people interested in > > obtaining the tapes and a CD-R backup of these so if I can get in touch > > with Wolden, I'll ask for a quote for a dozen sets of the 8 tapes and see > > if we can agree on a price lower than the original 5 Pounds per tape plus > > postage. > Well a lower price is always better, but if it still is 5 pounds thats > not a problem with me. How about the rest of you? > > I've also investigated how to package 'em and have found a source for CD > > boxes which will hold 6 CDs. These amount to the usual wide double CD case > > (such as was used for a release of Space Ritual). The middle section is > > adjusted to hold two CDs and the two outer trays, instead of being the > > usual CD trays, are replaced by the hinged double sided trays used for > > thin double CD's (as used for The 1999 Party). > This pakage is great! It also gives you the chance to make it a 6 cd- > set as a 5-cd set seems to be tricky. That's true, though I believe that the way we've tracklisted the 5 CD set (see below) does put collections together in a useful way and that this may not be so easy over 6 CD's. I'll give it some thought and take note of suggestions though. > > Kevin had some ideas about cover artwork which looked good. There is the > > question of tracklists which are going to be quite long (and there'll be > You can also print an extra sheet with the tracklistings. It fits > easily in the box. This is true I guess though inserts which fall out aren't as good as using the stickers and box inserts. > > five of them). The total printing will be the two CD back covers plus the > > five roundel stickers to go on the CD's themselves. That doesn't seem to > I am a little afraid cd-stickers. A friend of mine had some of his cd-r > backups "eaten-alive" by some some weird sticker glue! I've had trouble with "Pressit" stickers and Maxell CDR's. However they've worked OK with Samsung CD-Rs for example. I'm sure we can figure out a good CDR/sticker combination. The schtick usenet doesn't seem to suggest that it's an endemic problem. > > It would be possible to print each back insert as double sided, though I > > haven't tried this for alignment in my small deskjet printer yet. And > > again that ups costs. The other question is what quality of paper to use. > > Photo paper works very well with that cartridge system but costs more > > (50p-60p per sheet). > Doublesided printing will give you a lot of work! Foto-paper for the > inserts would be nice.. I agree. I did Kevin's cover for the Hawkwind Pink Floyd tribute on photo paper with the photo cartridge and it looks glorious. Expensive though and I'm not sure how easy it will fold to put the CD titles on the spines. Some trials to be done here. > > Finally we need to give some thought as to which CD-Rs to use for the > > actual backups. It's known that some CD-Rs won't play in older CD players. > > This varies from brand to brand as I understand it and also with the age > > of the CD player. I'm pretty new to this CD-R game and so would appreciate > > comments as regards brand selection. Again this will also have > > implications for costs. > There are special CD-R for music. They are more expensive though. I've not seen those. Since it's digital media we're talking about, what's the difference? Is the dye more attuned to the discrimination range of the laser readers in CD players? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 14 13:05:51 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:05:51 +0100 Subject: Weird Tapes project update In-Reply-To: Gekke Henkie's message of Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:01:45 +0200 Message-ID: Gekke Henkie writes: > Op 14 Apr 99, om 16:47, Carl Edlund Anderson schreef: > > > > Being poor, I am in favour of cost cutting measures :) I > > can live without fancy packaging if it means saving a few quid :) > couldn't disagree more...just kidding ;-) > > Well you have a point here. Fancy packaging meens more costs. > Maybe it's possible to make a 'budget'-version, consisting of the > tapes and cd's_without packaging_? > Or will this make the project a bureaucratic monster. Everyone > involved wants another way of packaging to save some > money/spend some more money. It's going to take a goodly amount of time as it is. I'd be very much in favour of settling on one package and producing it for everyone. > --BArt FoFP From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Apr 14 13:15:48 1999 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (denizen of chaos) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:15:48 -0500 Subject: Weird Tapes project update In-Reply-To: <199904141703.SAA17470@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, M Holmes wrote: :Subject: Re: Weird Tapes project update : :Gekke Henkie writes: : :> Wow, this project looks great to me... :> :> Op 14 Apr 99, om 15:47, M Holmes schreef: :> :> > :> > It does look like there are around a dozen people interested in :> > obtaining the tapes and a CD-R backup of these so if I can get in touch :> > with Wolden, I'll ask for a quote for a dozen sets of the 8 tapes and see :> > if we can agree on a price lower than the original 5 Pounds per tape plus :> > postage. : :> Well a lower price is always better, but if it still is 5 pounds thats :> not a problem with me. : :How about the rest of you? : While lower price is good, 5 pounds a tape won't kill me :) Arin ---hellhound shelter--------------------------------------------------- the denizen of chaos | denizen at pobox.com aka Arin Komins | http://www.pobox.com/~denizen/ ------------------------------------------------searching for satori--- From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Wed Apr 14 13:19:17 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Gekke Henkie) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:19:17 +0200 Subject: Weird Tapes project update In-Reply-To: <199904141703.SAA17470@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: >From the previous messages: > Its FoFP > > Its Me > > You can also print an extra sheet with the tracklistings. It fits > > easily in the box. > > This is true I guess though inserts which fall out aren't as good as > using the stickers and box inserts. Well you have a good point here. And as you have said about the stickers not being a problem anymore, I'll go for that. > > There are special CD-R for music. They are more expensive though. > > I've not seen those. Since it's digital media we're talking about, > what's the difference? Is the dye more attuned to the discrimination > range of the laser readers in CD players? I'm not sure what the difference is. I just saw it in a shop. The price is about twice as high as the cheapest CDR's I think. I'll try to find out what the difference is. --BArt From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Wed Apr 14 13:21:06 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Gekke Henkie) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:21:06 +0200 Subject: Weird Tapes project update In-Reply-To: <199904141705.SAA17853@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Op 14 Apr 99, om 18:05, M Holmes schreef: > > It's going to take a goodly amount of time as it is. I'd be very much in > favour of settling on one package and producing it for everyone. It was never mend as an serious option! I can see the load of work involved, and I'm really greatful that you're willing to do this! --BArt From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Wed Apr 14 13:26:49 1999 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:26:49 +0200 Subject: HW: Silver machine on Bevis Tourshirt Message-ID: The new Bevis Frond tourshirt looks great. The following text is written on it: " BevisFrond.Psychedelische. AdrianShore.VarietyOfFern. DidYouPlayOnSilverMachine? CriminallyUnderrated.Nick Salomen.MotorbikeAccident. Where?sAndy?You?reTooLoud." Looks nice and wears fine. Andreas From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Apr 14 14:15:30 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:15:30 +0100 Subject: Weird Tapes project update Message-ID: On ons 14 apr 1999 17.55 +0100 "M Holmes" wrote: > However I'm loath to > break up the collection. Indeed I'm keen to recollect similar stuff > together and to add to it closely related material such as reuniting The > Golden Void with the other tracks from the Sonic Assassins gig. > Am I alone in this? Probably not--my angle is just that my HW collection already has more than enough redundancy, and my bank account too little :) Hmm, maybe I should just go for the tapes alone. I could always CD-R them myself in years to come. Basically, I want to get HW recordings I don't already have, so I'll do what is needful for that. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Wed Apr 14 15:58:50 1999 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:58:50 +0000 Subject: Wierd tapes - who wants 'em. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I would be interested in a full tape set/CD combo Alasdair -- Page me online: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 Send me E-mail Express direct to my screen: 1573250 at pager.mirabilis.com alimac at netcomuk.co.uk (Alasdair Macdonald) From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Apr 14 15:17:08 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:17:08 -0400 Subject: OFF: "Music" CD-Rs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, Gekke Henkie wrote: => >From the previous messages: => > Its FoFP => > > Its Me => > > There are special CD-R for music. They are more expensive though. => > => > I've not seen those. Since it's digital media we're talking about, => > what's the difference? Is the dye more attuned to the discrimination => > range of the laser readers in CD players? => I'm not sure what the difference is. I just saw it in a shop. The price => is about twice as high as the cheapest CDR's I think. I'll try to find => out what the difference is. The difference is basically that the consumer (i.e., "music") CD-R blanks have a record industry levy built in to the price, ostensibly as a compensation against piracy. Physically, they are the same thing, though flagged on the disc as comsumer, hence the proliferation of warranty-invalidating mods for consumer recordable CD units to allow them also to accept the less costly computer CD-Rs. Cheers, Paul. NP: Gov't Mule, _Live... With a Little Help From Our Friends_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From erics at TELEPRES.COM Wed Apr 14 15:38:43 1999 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:38:43 -0400 Subject: Weird Tapes project update In-Reply-To: <199904141655.RAA16119@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> from "M Holmes" at Apr 14, 99 05:55:07 pm Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > > Indeed I'm keen to recollect similar stuff > together and to add to it closely related material [...] > > Am I alone in this? Nope. Makes perfect sense to me... -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Perl is a challenge left for the syntactic masochist. - http://www.gnu.org/software/guile/guile.html From COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Apr 14 15:46:11 1999 From: COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Its got to be PUMPING!!!!!) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 20:46:11 +0100 Subject: Weird Tapes project update Message-ID: If you can pull this off and I really appreciate the effort you are proposing to go to to do this then I'm sure that I could find the money to pay for it. This I suppose is a one off that seems really attractive to an avid Hawkwind fan who wants to complete a much loved collection. Thanks Colm -----Original Message----- From: M Holmes To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 14 April 1999 15:43 Subject: Weird Tapes project update >So far I've been unable to speak to anyone at Wolden Studios since the >phone is never answered. Perhaps I have an out of date number. Does >anyone have a modern one? > >It does look like there are around a dozen people interested in >obtaining the tapes and a CD-R backup of these so if I can get in touch >with Wolden, I'll ask for a quote for a dozen sets of the 8 tapes and >see if we can agree on a price lower than the original 5 Pounds per tape >plus postage. > >I've been investigating making CD-R backups of 'em. Using a product >called Feurio to investigate lengths of supplied CD-R's, it looks like >overburning some CDR74's should do the job if I'm careful to choose the >ones which are long enough (they vary by around 30 seconds even within a >batch and we're close to the limits to get it all on 5 CDRs). > >I've also investigated how to package 'em and have found a source for CD >boxes which will hold 6 CDs. These amount to the usual wide double CD >case (such as was used for a release of Space Ritual). The middle >section is adjusted to hold two CDs and the two outer trays, instead of >being the usual CD trays, are replaced by the hinged double sided trays >used for thin double CD's (as used for The 1999 Party). > >Unfortunately it will cost me 2 Pounds per unit plus postage to order >these. However, I believe it would be worth this to have a means to keep >the whole collection together. It will also save on postage costs of >sending out 5 normal CD cases. Another saving will be that instead of >printing 5 front and 5 back covers for the CD's I'll need to print only >what amounts to 2 back covers. If I print using the photo colour >cartridge along with the colour cartridge for best effect, that will >actually be quite a saving (printing an A4 sheet this way costs around >40p-50p in ink costs as far as I can figure). I may also be able to order >CD-R's cheaper on a spindle without the boxes. The savings should >hopefully about balance out the costs of the boxes. > >Kevin had some ideas about cover artwork which looked good. There is the >question of tracklists which are going to be quite long (and there'll be >five of them). The total printing will be the two CD back covers plus >the five roundel stickers to go on the CD's themselves. That doesn't >seem to give a lot since presumably we won't want tracklists on the >front cover and there may not easily be room on a roundel. I'm skeptical >that an inkjet printer will be able to put 5 long tracklists on one back >cover at a size which will be readable. > >It would be possible to print each back insert as double sided, though I >haven't tried this for alignment in my small deskjet printer yet. And >again that ups costs. The other question is what quality of paper to >use. Photo paper works very well with that cartridge system but costs >more (50p-60p per sheet). > >Finally we need to give some thought as to which CD-Rs to use for the >actual backups. It's known that some CD-Rs won't play in older CD >players. This varies from brand to brand as I understand it and also >with the age of the CD player. I'm pretty new to this CD-R game and so >would appreciate comments as regards brand selection. Again this will >also have implications for costs. > >Over to you guys for comments... > >FoFP > From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Wed Apr 14 20:01:26 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:01:26 +0900 Subject: Weird Tapes project update Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > > > Hasn't some of the WT material appeared on CD? I think we > > give ourselves some margin of error by ditching some of those > > tracks. > > Well yes. The Sonic Assassins stuff for example. However I'm loath to > break up the collection. Indeed I'm keen to recollect similar stuff > together and to add to it closely related material such as reuniting The > Golden Void with the other tracks from the Sonic Assassins gig. > > Am I alone in this? > No, you're not alone. I'd rather see everything in one place. I've got all the tapes (tho' since they were all bought on release they're showing their age) but I don't have every CD comp ever released (I only have a small county.) I'm sure I can't be the only one with holes in the collection. As for artwork, since everyone has their own preferences, why not just do a budget version with a track list and if we prefer a different cover, we can make our own? -- Dave Greenhalgh ICQ#33513470 From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Wed Apr 14 21:53:25 1999 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (Sonique) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:53:25 +1100 Subject: Gong world tour Message-ID: On 14 Apr 99, at 13:11, Max Wilcox wrote: > Sonique wrote: > > > Hmmm .. perhaps not. I recieved a transcript of a Daevid Allen spoken > > word piece performed in Byron Bay around christmas, and our 'dear' > > pot-headed pixie is very anti-australian these days it seems. Then again > > it was a 'performance' .... ... > Right, got that over with - now that's interesting to know. Anti > in > what way? I mean there have been certain political occurrences > hereabouts in the recent past that I'm not surprised he'd be anti, for > example. Unfortunately I don't still have a copy, but it was anti-Australian in terms of the people, not politically so much. I can't recall the details, but it gave the impression that he thought all Australians (except for himself somehow) were full of it ... I wasn't impressed It came across as a bitch against all those better off than he, thinly disguised as satire s. From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Apr 15 02:19:25 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 02:19:25 EDT Subject: Weird Tapes project update Message-ID: boy y'all are going to town on this, aintcha? >>> this project is really NOT that difficult to accomplish w/o a great expenditure, though a few bucks will be required before the end of it...it can be done with fairly primitive gear, too... some comments: i dunno what kind of computer this'll be done on, but digitizing all of the tapes in one gulp will require an sh*tload of memory; could this part of the process be broken up between a few people? this will be one of the most critical aspects of this project (won't it?) there are applications specifically for cd-sleeve composition/layout; maybe someone out there has it...i have a friend who does >>>this isnt necessary, of course, but such things do exist<<<... you could do a double-sided insert booklet pretty easily by laying it out the way the pros do it, each sheet of paper representing four pages...and those of you w/printers already know the difference in xpense twixt black & white and color printing (grin) consider clear plastic sleeves for the individual discs and some sort of box to put them in (i'm thinking of my cd set of zappa's "shut up and play yer guitar" as far as the box)...these items are inexpensive and available... and perhaps a real bare bones package could consist of discs in paper sleeves within a larger paper sleeve... but based on my own xperiences in the last year or so w/digitizing tapes and putting together a cd, depending on your machine(s), memory capacity will be a factor, even if you have a lot. man i recently was given all kindsa software i havent touched yet, related to such things, and what i'd like to do at some point is clean up some of the '70s hawkwind audience tape material i have and put together a set...to what xtent that's a pipe dream remains to be seen, he said, disappearing in smoke... have fun! TH"<>"EO >>larry b ps>>and peripherally speaking, those of you who havent actually heard "time for sale" stand a good chance of thinking afterwards "gee...so that was hawkwind's DISCO song..." From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Thu Apr 15 03:01:48 1999 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 01:01:48 -0600 Subject: Wierd tapes - who wants 'em. Message-ID: I'd just be interested in the cd set-I have them all on tape already!!! Worn out, yes, but still loved!! Pam Alasdair Macdonald wrote: > I would be interested in a full tape set/CD combo > > Alasdair > -- > Page me online: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 > Send me E-mail Express direct to my screen: 1573250 at pager.mirabilis.com > > alimac at netcomuk.co.uk (Alasdair Macdonald) From MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Apr 15 05:46:02 1999 From: MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark P Lee) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:46:02 +0100 Subject: HW: Weird Collection In-Reply-To: <199904150901.FAA23223@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Over to us then; I would be interested in copies of all of the tape, a bulk price would be great but 40UKP could be arranged. I would also like full set of CD-R and don't care what brand, my CD player will run damn near anything I stick in it. As to the proposed option of cutting out some of material which has been done already, what if you don't have that stuff, I'd like to get everything as it is. As far as cover art and packaging goes I would be happy to print my own from digital artwork. I work for a digital printers BUT we don't do colour work (darn). I'm all for cost savings as far as packaging goes, my main concern would be to get the collection together. I'm sure I could produce my own booklet listing the tracks and so on from a text file if that could be supplied. I would be happy to go with a global solution to avoid problems with supply though. Cheers, Mark. [Counting the days...] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please reply to mark at esparto.demon.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 15 06:23:00 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:23:00 +0100 Subject: OFF: "Music" CD-Rs In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:17:08 -0400 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: Music versus Data CDRs: > The difference is basically that the consumer (i.e., "music") CD-R > blanks have a record industry levy built in to the price, ostensibly > as a compensation against piracy. Physically, they are the same > thing, though flagged on the disc as comsumer, hence the proliferation > of warranty-invalidating mods for consumer recordable CD units to > allow them also to accept the less costly computer CD-Rs. Do I understand correctly here: The music discs have a data flag somewhere on the disc which tells the music CD writers that it's OK to write on 'em and without modification they won't write on normal data CDR discs? You're a positive mine of information on this media technology Paul. > Paul. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 15 06:36:01 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:36:01 +0100 Subject: Weird Tapes project update In-Reply-To: DASLUD@AOL.COM's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1999 02:19:25 EDT Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: > i dunno what kind of computer this'll be done on, but digitizing all of the > tapes in one gulp will require an sh*tload of memory; could this part of the > process be broken up between a few people? this will be one of the most > critical aspects of this project (won't it?) I've enough memory to write one CDR at a time which is really all that's needed. I can digitise each track, cleam 'em up with Cooldeit Pro and then put 'em together on the disc using either CD Creator, Feurio or Cooledit. Paul: do these packages support overburning? Any tips on cleaning tape-to-CDR using Cooledit? I've not used that package before. > there are applications specifically for cd-sleeve composition/layout; maybe > someone out there has it...i have a friend who does >>>this isnt necessary, > of course, but such things do exist<<<... you could do a double-sided insert > booklet pretty easily by laying it out the way the pros do it, each sheet of > paper representing four pages...and those of you w/printers already know the > difference in xpense twixt black & white and color printing (grin) I have the templates for printing the cases but these are really just for size and position on the paper. If there's anything else out there I'd be interested in looking at getting it. Any info appreciated. > but based on my own xperiences in the last year or so w/digitizing tapes and > putting together a cd, depending on your machine(s), memory capacity will be > a factor, even if you have a lot. I've already done a "Touchdown on Planet Punk" Hawkwind CD-R for a pal who likes punk. That was a full disc and I had no memory problems. Possibly it's because I commissioned one of my hardware junkie students to build the computer. One of the specs was that it should be easily upgradeable, so if I hit limits I'll buy more kit. Right now it has 128M RAM and a 10G hard drive. There are at currently 3 1G partitions which are clear as workspace for this kind of stuff. > man i recently was given all kindsa software i havent touched yet, related to > such things, and what i'd like to do at some point is clean up some of the > '70s hawkwind audience tape material i have and put together a set...to what > xtent that's a pipe dream remains to be seen, he said, disappearing in > smoke... If you do get around to playing with such stuff then I'd be interested to hear your experiences with it. FoFP From andy.ball at RD.BBC.CO.UK Thu Apr 15 07:38:30 1999 From: andy.ball at RD.BBC.CO.UK (Andy Ball) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:38:30 +0100 Subject: OFF: "Music" CD-Rs In-Reply-To: <199904151023.LAA07951@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: For my 2 pence/2 cents worth I also believe this to be true on the "HiFi" type CD recorders. At one point the blank disks for these cost about 4-5uk pounds compared to about 1uk pound for a standard blank CD disk. However I believe(but not verified) that you can fool some of these writers by inserting the more expensive disk in the machine, and then just before hitting the record button, manually force the disk tray open(At your own risk!)and then replace the expensive "music only" disk with a normal CDR. The writer will then write quite happily. By the way, I would be interrested in the set of HW Wierd tapes. Just one idea: Has anyone asked Wolden studios(or whoever has the tapes) if they could make them available on CDR in the first place? Regards, Andy At 11:23 15/04/99 +0100, you wrote: >Paul Mather writes: > >Music versus Data CDRs: > >> The difference is basically that the consumer (i.e., "music") CD-R >> blanks have a record industry levy built in to the price, ostensibly >> as a compensation against piracy. Physically, they are the same >> thing, though flagged on the disc as comsumer, hence the proliferation >> of warranty-invalidating mods for consumer recordable CD units to >> allow them also to accept the less costly computer CD-Rs. > >Do I understand correctly here: > >The music discs have a data flag somewhere on the disc which tells the >music CD writers that it's OK to write on 'em and without modification >they won't write on normal data CDR discs? > >You're a positive mine of information on this media technology Paul. > >> Paul. > >FoFP > > From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Apr 15 08:13:54 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:13:54 -0400 Subject: OFF: "Music" CD-Rs In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990415123830.009398a0@sunf0> Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Apr 1999, Andy Ball wrote: => For my 2 pence/2 cents worth I also believe this to be true on the "HiFi" => type CD recorders. => At one point the blank disks for these cost about 4-5uk pounds compared to => about 1uk pound for a standard blank CD disk. => However I believe(but not verified) that you can fool some of these writers => by inserting the more expensive disk in the machine, and then just before => hitting the record button, manually force the disk tray open(At your own => risk!)and then replace the expensive "music only" disk with a normal CDR. => The writer will then write quite happily. Actually, that is one of the "mods" I'd heard about. Inelegant, but a money saver. => By the way, I would be interrested in the set of HW Wierd tapes. Just one => idea: Has anyone asked Wolden studios(or whoever has the tapes) if they => could make them available on CDR in the first place? When I bought some Weird Tapes from Wolden years ago, I asked them if I could pay *extra* and have them run off on chrome (type II) tapes, instead of the usual normal (type I) tapes they use. I got back a reply saying that they wouldn't, citing the "lack of fidelity/bandwidth" in the original recordings meant it wasn't worth it. This sounded bogus to me, but indicated that they weren't interested (at that time) in "esoteric" formats for the Weird Tapes. They may have changed their mind by now, though. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Thu Apr 15 08:58:37 1999 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:58:37 -0400 Subject: Weird Tapes project update Message-ID: >From: Dave Greenhalgh >but I don't have every CD comp ever released (I only have a small county.) I'm ^^^^^^ That's about how much shelf space my collection takes up, too. (-8 John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Apr 15 10:02:01 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:02:01 EDT Subject: OFF, WAY OFF: Fwd: Urban Legend (one more reason to be paranoid) Message-ID: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Jsexbomb at aol.com Subject: Urban Legend (one more reason to be paranoid) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:03:02 EDT Size: 2234 URL: From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Thu Apr 15 10:17:09 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Gekke Henkie) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:17:09 +0200 Subject: WAY OFF:Re: Urban Legend (one more reason to be paranoid) In-Reply-To: <800e1bfd.24472f76@aol.com> Message-ID: Op 15 Apr 99, om 8:03, DASLUD schreef: > > this really is true! Yeah, sure.... > > Hello, my name is Tina Strongman and I work at a police > > station, as a phone operator for 911. Lately, we've received She definitly used the wrong phone ;-) > > that a new form of gang initiation is to go find as many pay > > phones as possible and put a mixture of LSD and Strychnine onto the > > buttons. LSD, sweet memories :) > > When mixed with LSD, it creates a substance that is easily > > absorbed into the human flesh, and highly fatal. Please be careful > > if you > are > > using a pay phone anywhere. You may want to wipe it off, or just > > not E.T. phone home... > > use one at all. If you have any questions, you can contact me at > > the > > links listed below. Please be very careful. To call 911 is seriously dangerous busines nowadays. --BArt From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Apr 15 10:38:58 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:38:58 EDT Subject: WAY OFF:Re: Urban Legend (one more reason to be paranoid) Message-ID: In a message dated 4/15/99 10:28:07 AM, bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL redirects: < > absorbed into the human flesh, and highly fatal. Please be careful > > >> "highly fatal" as opposed to "slightly fatal"....how dead is dead? "<>" From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Thu Apr 15 10:49:53 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Gekke Henkie) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:49:53 +0200 Subject: WAY OFF:Re: Urban Legend (one more reason to be paranoid) In-Reply-To: <2156ebb6.24475402@aol.com> Message-ID: Op 15 Apr 99, om 10:38, DASLUD at AOL.COM schreef: > "highly fatal" as opposed to "slightly fatal"....how dead is dead? Fatal = fatal..or am I wrong here... Dead seems to be dead...but who am I to say something about that, I'm NOT dead, at least I think so. --BArt From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Thu Apr 15 10:58:26 1999 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 00:58:26 +1000 Subject: WAY OFF:Re: Urban Legend (one more reason to be paranoid) Message-ID: The amount of LSD, one of the few common chemicals that is measured in micrograms, as opposed to strychnine which is measured in milligrams, that would be required to make such an infusion would be huge. Which is one problem with this thing. Furthermore, the amount of LSD required to coat a telephone pad would be huge, coupled with the fact that telephone buttons are (to my knowledge) not composed of absorbent material - would make this quite a feat. Why someone would mix huge amounts of a comparatively expensive psychedelic with the strychnine is beyond me, when they could be taking it or selling it. File this story with the "they always put strychnine in LSD, which is why you get tight muscles during tripping" file. Must say, though, I always get a kick from these things. I mean, why on earth would someone send it? Surely no one would believe it? Oh well, back to my phone... - Max From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Thu Apr 15 11:00:15 1999 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 01:00:15 +1000 Subject: WAY OFF:Re: Urban Legend (one more reason to be paranoid) Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > "highly fatal" as opposed to "slightly fatal"....how dead is dead? Puts on Lennon voice. "It is not dyiiiiiiing." - Spam Never Knows From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Apr 15 11:18:18 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:18:18 EDT Subject: WAY OFF:Re: Urban Legend (one more reason to be paranoid) Message-ID: In a message dated 4/15/99 11:14:06 AM, m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU writes: < "highly fatal" as opposed to "slightly fatal"....how dead is dead? Puts on Lennon voice. "It is not dyiiiiiiing." - Spam Never Knows >> oh thank you for this morning's levity.. last night i got an e-mail from jesus too...spring is in the air....^_~ "<>" larry b From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Thu Apr 15 11:19:54 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Gekke Henkie) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:19:54 +0200 Subject: WAY OFF:Re: Urban Legend (one more reason to be paranoid) In-Reply-To: <3715FE92.7CE44F4F@uq.net.au> Message-ID: I remember a song by the Dead Kennedys about LSD put on doors of police cars. Any info on this? Was there LSD in the Pie Jello Biafra tried to trow at Jerry Brown? --BArt From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Apr 15 10:38:42 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:38:42 -0400 Subject: HW/OFF: Touring Galore Message-ID: OK folks...for some reason, this last year of the millenium is turning out to be a wonderful bonanza of great tours. Let's get out there and support live music. Somewhere....anywhere. Here's what I know...if there's more, let me know! As always, check your local listings for confirmation! Keith H. (FAA) Porcupine Tree No. America Tour 1999 May 23 Le D'Auteuille Quebec City, Canada May 24 Higher Ground Burlington, Vermont May 26 Phantasmagoria Wheaton, Maryland (with Gong) May 27 Knitting Factory New York (with Gong?) May 30 Palace of Fine Arts San Francisco (ProgFest '99) June 1 House of Blues Los Angeles (with Magma) June 3 Shank Hill Milwaukee, Wisconsin June 4 Martyrs Chicago June 5 Phantasy Nite Club Cleveland, Ohio Magma tour (http://www.seventhrecords.com for updates) May 28 Chicago - Martyr's Club May 30 San Francisco ProgFest - Palace of Fine Arts June 1 Los Angeles - House of Blues June 4 & 6 Mexico City - Teatro Angela Perarlta June 8 New York City - JVC/Bell Atlantic Jazz Festival Gong (Allen, Smyth, Howlett/Hopper?, Moerlen?, Malherbe? and guests) 5/2 Vervier, Belgium (Spirit of 66) 32-(0)87-352-424 5/3 Hamburg, Germany (Fabrik) 49-(0)40-3910-7121 5/4 Berlin, Germany (Pfefferberg) 49-(0)30-7809-980 5/5 Wuppertal, Germany (Haus der Jugend) 49-(0)202-563-644 5/6 Karlsruhe, Germany (Substage) 49-(0)721-377-274 5/7 Frankfurt, Germany (U-Bahn/Miquelallee) 49-(0)69-239-918 5/8 Munich, Germany TBC 5/11 Vienna, Austria (Szenewien) 221-723-324 5/12-13 Austria gigs TBC 5/14-16 Italy 2/3 dates in N. Italy TBC 5/18-19 France 2 dates in S. E. France TBC 5/26 Wheaton MD, near Wash., DC (Phantasmagoria) TBC 5/27 New York City (Kniting Factory) TBC 5/29 San Francisco (Palace of Fine Arts) 5th Annual ProgFest 6/2 Los Angeles (House of Blues) 6/3 Mexico City (Possible double header with Magma at a Festival) 6/8 Milwaukee (Shank Hall) 6/10 Chicago (House of Blues) TBC 6/11 Cleveland (Phantasy) TBC 6/15-19 Korea to be arranged 6/20-28 Japan to be arranged Helios Creed tourdates (lineup unknown): 4/23 Seattle, WA (Breakroom) 4/24 Portland, OR (Berbatis Pan) 4/26 Denver, CO (Bluebird Theatre) 4/27 Lincoln, NE (Knickerbockers) 4/28 Des Moines, IA (Hairy Mary's) 4/29 Minneapolis, MN (7th St. Entry) 4/30 Chicago, IL (Empty Bottle) 5/1 Madison, WI (O'Kayzy) 5/4 Rochester, NY (Bug Jar) 5/5 Hoboken, NJ or Philadelphia (Nick's) 5/6 Philadelphia, PA or Hoboken, NJ (Maxwell's) 5/7 New York, NY (Coney Island High) 5/8 Cleveland, OH (Euclid Tavern) 5/9 Detriot, MI (Magic Stick) 5/15 San Francisco, CA (Great American Music Hall) 5/21 Long Beach, CA (Foothill) 5/22 Los Angeles, CA (Spaceland) Bevis Frond (Saloman, Shaw, and guest drummer - mixed acoustic/electric) with the Alchemysts 4/15 Hannover, Germany To Be Announced 4/16 Dresden, Germany (Starclub) 4/17 Lubeck, Germany (Treisband) 4/19 Hamburg, Germany (Molotow) 4/20 Copenhagen, Denmark (Rust) 4/22 Oslo, Norway (Mars) 4/23 Lillehammer, Norway (Felix) 4/27 Bordeaux, France (Le Jimmy) 5/1 Bilbao, Spain (Bergara Jam) Monster Magnet presently on US tour supporting Hole & Marilyn Manson soon to tour Europe supporting Metallica? It seems a few headline dates are in the works in between, including 5/4 & 5/5 New York City (Irving Plaza) 5/12 Cleveland (Odeon) perhaps more in between? Ozric Tentacles 5/7 & 5/8 New York City (Wetlands) 5/14 Baltimore (Recher Theatre) 5/15 Philadelphia (Theatre of Living Arts) 5/21 Cleveland (Odeon) many more to come...check http://www.execpc.com/~mwerning/ Bedouin (Davey, Massett, Thompson) UK tour 4/15 Newport, T.J's Club 01633-216 608 4/16 Boston, Axe And Clever 01295-367 300 4/17 Hartlepool, The Studio 01429-424 440 4/21 Cambridge, Boat Race 01223-508 533 4/22 Leeds, Duchess Of York 0113-268 2184 4/23 Manchester, Star And Garter 0161-273 6726 4/24 Ashburton, The Lanterns 01364-652 697 4/28 Derby, Victoria Inn 01332-740 091 4/30 Chelmsford, Army And Navy 01245-354 155 5/1 Southampton, Bier Kellar 01703-332 900 5/6 Chester, Alexanders Jazz Theatre 01244-340 005 5/7 Birmingham, The Roadhouse 0121-458 6883 5/8 Preston, Adelphi Hotel 01772-897 961 5/13 Sheffield, The Boardwalk 01142-799 090 5/14 Wolverhampton, Outta Limits 01902-712 991 5/15 Abersoch, Harbour Hotel 01758-712 406 More To Be Added Shortly...see 'What's New' at for updates. The 13th North-German Hawkfan Festival presents The Space Party 1999 with free entry and free camping. Fri., June 11, 1999 Video/Slides/Chatting Sat., June 12, 1999 Live music/light show featuring: Spacehead (UK), Huw-Lloyd Langton (UK), and Zone Six & Weltramstaunen (GR). The event takes place open air on the clubground of the HeavTIPSY APES in Hamburg Harburg, Germany, near the "Hein Gas" industrial park. This is a non-commercial festival, though donations are essential and welcomed. For more information, contact Thomas S?nke (Phone: ++ +4120/519; Phone/Fax: ++ +4122/489927) The "Stoner Hands of Doom" Stoner Rock Festival will be held Sat. August 14, 1999 at the Bull Run Special Events Center located in the Bull Run Park, conveniently located just off Route 66 near Centreville, VA (Wash, DC/Baltimore area). Gates open at 9 AM, and the show goes until 7:30 pm, but the music continues indoors at Phatasmagoria in Wheaton, MD at 9 PM. Tickets are $15 ($20 at gate) for the outdoor event, and $8 ($5 with stub from SHoD) for the Phantasmagoria show. Bands performing include Spirit Caravan (formerly Shine), Pentagram, Drag Pack, WarHorse, Pale Divine, Smoke In Sunshine, Las Cruces, Solace, Volume, Penance, Internal Void, Gut Soup, and While Heaven Wept. Others contacted about possibly performing include Solitude Aeturnus, Trouble, Nebula, sHeavy, and Black Mantra. Contact "Stoner Hands of Doom," c/o Rob "The Wretched" Levey, P.O. Box 1909, Manassas, VA 20108 or e-mail: rlevey1841 at aol.com The 5th Unidentified Flying Octave (UFO) Festival (described as "an experimental music and magic rock festival") will be held over the summer solstice weekend (June 18-20, 1999) at the Lothlorien Nature Sanctuary in Needmore, IN. Scheduled to perform are The Ring, Bono Pi, Dream Circle, Lighthawk, Randy Joe Duke, Eclectricity II, Full Gael, Moon Soup, Creatrix, ENT Band, Octave Doctors, Jade Dragon, Quarkspace, National Steam, and Unknown SoulJahs. Primitive camping sites will be available. Contact S - ROC - ELF, Inc. at P.O. Box 1082, Bloomington, IN 47402-1082 for more information. From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Thu Apr 15 12:09:43 1999 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:09:43 -0700 Subject: OFF, WAY OFF: Fwd: Urban Legend (one more reason to be paranoid) In-Reply-To: <800e1bfd.24474b59@aol.com> Message-ID: I have a friend who always sends me those "Holy crap! Send this to everyone you know!" messages, with good intentions I assume, but I can almost always send him back a link to a page at www.snopes.com. I'll do the same here: http://www.snopes.com/horrors/mayhem/payphon2.htm Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 15 12:50:37 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:50:37 +0100 Subject: WAY OFF:Re: Urban Legend (one more reason to be paranoid) In-Reply-To: Max Wilcox's message of Fri, 16 Apr 1999 00:58:26 +1000 Message-ID: Max Wilcox writes: > File this story with the "they always put strychnine in LSD Tell me about it. The UK Mensa magazine has just run two drugs articles. One is modelled after the standard Student Handbook style of "This is the drug, this is what it does. This is what's bad." Except of course it's riddled with various innacuracies such as strychnine in LSD and people jumping out of windows because they believe they can fly. Worse still there's a second drugs article in the same issue. It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic. It's quite clearly written by someone who abhors drugs and has never taken any (well bar chocolate, nicotine, alcohol and caffeine possibly). It amounts to an almost juniour high school essay of someone trying to work out why all these naughty people take drugs. They speculate that after one dose the drugs begin to affect the reasoning abilities of the user in such a way as to prevent them calculating that it would be a bad idea to take them again. The of course the "vicious spiral" continues. It's startlingly obvious that it's never occurred to them that people might do this because it's fun. I'd be tempted to write an article to throw a little light to these benighted heathens but sometimes ignorance is so pervasive that it's just too disheartening to try. Given the number of articles on the paranormal in this magazine, it looks rather likely that this is one such place. Just goes to show that intelligence doesn't necessarily abolish ignorance. FoFP From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Apr 15 12:52:21 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:52:21 -0400 Subject: WAY OFF:Re: Urban Legend (one more reason to be paranoid) Message-ID: > The amount of LSD, one of the few common chemicals that is measured in >micrograms, as opposed to strychnine which is measured in milligrams, >that would be required to make such an infusion would be huge. Which is >one problem with this thing. Furthermore, the amount of LSD required to >coat a telephone pad would be huge, coupled with the fact that telephone >buttons are (to my knowledge) not composed of absorbent material - would >make this quite a feat. Why someone would mix huge amounts of a >comparatively expensive psychedelic with the strychnine is beyond me, >when they could be taking it or selling it. The whole thing is fake. Check out www.snopes.com if you want documentation of how fake it is. Yeah, pretty expensive "gang initiation rite". Not to mention it would be something with almost no chance to show bravery or guts, and would also probably dry up if someone didn't use the phone in minutes. ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Wed Apr 14 11:51:00 1999 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 16:51:00 +0100 Subject: Sorry a test please ignor Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1999-04-14 16:51 mmmm From sprawl at BBOARD.COM Thu Apr 15 14:42:55 1999 From: sprawl at BBOARD.COM (Sprawl) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:42:55 -0400 Subject: WAY OFF:Re: Urban Legend (one more reason to be paranoid) Message-ID: I don't know the fact behind content. But I have taken tabs that have left me doubled over with cramps, and others with no Janglies at all.. Also, I have (and still do) eaten an awful lot of acid. I have NEVER been in trouble with the law, never had an accident in a car, and have never been fired from a job. As the comedian says: "Drugs amplify your personality. What if yer an asshole?" One other thing: I have certainly -tried- drugs that I could tell would get me into ALOT of trouble if I persisted. I did not persist. ----- Original Message ----- From: Max Wilcox > File this story with the "they always put strychnine in LSD, which is > why you get tight muscles during tripping" file. Must say, though, I > always get a kick from these things. I mean, why on earth would someone > send it? Surely no one would believe it? > Oh well, back to my phone... > > - Max From sprawl at BBOARD.COM Thu Apr 15 14:46:08 1999 From: sprawl at BBOARD.COM (Sprawl) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:46:08 -0400 Subject: WAY OFF:Re: Urban Legend (one more reason to be paranoid) Message-ID: There is a chemical plant near my home that produces a chemical one millionth partical of which could wipe out my whole town if accidentally released. I would call that HIGHLY FATAL. On the other hand, one can OD on cocaine, which is often fatal, and yet survive. But keep it up, sooner or later ya won't. I'd say that drug overdoses can be fatal. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gekke Henkie > Op 15 Apr 99, om 10:38, DASLUD at AOL.COM schreef: > > > "highly fatal" as opposed to "slightly fatal"....how dead is dead? > > Fatal = fatal..or am I wrong here... > > Dead seems to be dead...but who am I to say something about > that, I'm NOT dead, at least I think so. > > > --BArt From sprawl at BBOARD.COM Thu Apr 15 14:46:55 1999 From: sprawl at BBOARD.COM (Sprawl) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:46:55 -0400 Subject: WAY OFF:Re: Urban Legend (one more reason to be paranoid) Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 10:38 AM Subject: Re: WAY OFF:Re: Urban Legend (one more reason to be paranoid) > In a message dated 4/15/99 10:28:07 AM, bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL redirects: > > < > > absorbed into the human flesh, and highly fatal. Please be careful > > > >> > > "highly fatal" as opposed to "slightly fatal"....how dead is dead? > > "<>" She's only MOSTLY dead!" -The Princess Bride From hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM Thu Apr 15 17:50:05 1999 From: hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM (Randy) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:50:05 -0500 Subject: Wierd tapes - who wants 'em. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >For the sake of research, who'd be interested? I would be interested in the CDr's Randy From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 15 19:12:46 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 00:12:46 +0100 Subject: WAY OFF:Re: Urban Legend (one more reason to be paranoid) Message-ID: On tor 15 apr 1999 14.46 -0400 Sprawl wrote: > On the other hand, one can OD on cocaine, which is often fatal, and > yet survive. But keep it up, sooner or later ya won't. > I'd say that drug overdoses can be fatal. Well, I guess we can be sure that: if it kills you, it's fatal! :) Cheers, Carl ObEarsRinging: Dumpy's Blue'zz Intozzicated :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 15 19:52:46 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 00:52:46 +0100 Subject: OFF: Dumpy & Co: short review Message-ID: Ah, just got back from seeing Dumpy & Co. (er, officially billed as Dumpy's Blue'zz In'tozzicated, or something like that) at The Boat Race in Cambridge. Marvelous evening which ended too soon. Dumpy is ... well, a bit _good_ when he wants to be at that full-on, pedal-to-the-metal atonal blues rock thing :) Shaun and Dave T. from Cambridge RockSoc came down, as did (sometime?) boc-l member Anna. Should have been more locals, as it was a bit underattended (OK, it was a cold mid-week night ...) Our man Dumpy is a complete nutter, a real biker-meets- Santa-Claus with a long grey beard floating down over that bowl full of jelly. Armed with a Gibson SG, a Marshal stack, and--oh yes--a wah, flanger, and delay. And he's not afraid to use them :) He's got a three piece, so a drummer and bassist: the bass player was solid if a bit pedestrian, I thought, though the drummer none-too-shabby and was credibly mental on things like "Sunshine of Your Love". Yes, the set was a solid wall of biker classics--all British blues rock from the 60s (barring one short trip to the 70s), with a few brief visits to the more obvious tunes from Dumpy's Rusty Nuts. Headbanding *and* toe-tapping stuff, this. They could have played longer, maybe only about 75 minutes they did, or so. I could have listened to that stuff for hours to to come quite happily. Not having been to any custom bike shows in the UK, only about 25% of the set was recognizable to me, but as I cut my "rock" teeth on 60s stuff the style was always familiar. I was grinning like a nutter and bopping my head the whole way. I always rate a good gig by getting an overwhelming desire to jump up and start jamming, and this was sure one of those. All of it pretty much rocked solidly all the way through-- there were no bad moments--though I remember the good'n'heavy Cream cover (above) as well as a "Hey Joe", and an enormous "Baby Please Don't Go" for the finale. On this last, I was extrordinarily pleased to see my favorite lo-budget "swooshy noise" in action: sweeping the knobs on an analog guitar delay pedal ... whuckawhuckawhockawhackaweedeedeedeedeeeeeeee! \ Superb :) Wandering between loo and bar after the set, I bump into Dumpy who spies the Hawkwind T-shirt, and we chatted merrily about Bedouin. He was pretty psyched by them, as a "head band with _power_", and said Alan & Co had stayed with him after their gig up his way. "It always takes me a few days to recover after Alan stays ". Said a lot of Hawkfans got put off by Bedouin for being too loud and in yer face, but _right_on_, man! Noting me as an obvious young'un, he couldn't resist pointing out he'd been at the Brixton Sundown when _Space Ritual_ was recorded. I told him he was a bastard, which seemed perfectly fair :) Before I left, as Dumpy was packing up his gear on stage, he started calling out "Sonic Attack", and it would have been rude to to repsond :) I think we got about halfway through before ... ... Pause ... "I think we've fucked the words up!" I said. Well, more _authentic_ that way :) Good bloke, good band, good gig. Go see 'em! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From ChStier at AOL.COM Thu Apr 15 22:03:22 1999 From: ChStier at AOL.COM (Chris Stier) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:03:22 EDT Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree Message-ID: I noticed that Porcupine Tree has a new release out called "Stupid Dreams" along with another EP. Has anyone heard this yet, and if so, what are your impressions? I enjoyed the Sky Moves Sideways and Signify wasn't bad either. Thanks Chris From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Apr 16 02:00:16 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 02:00:16 EDT Subject: WAY OFF:Re: omar schreef (one more reason to be paranoid) Message-ID: In a message dated 4/15/99 2:49:17 PM, sprawl at BBOARD.COM writes: <> wow. my new word for the day. i like that. 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I really like it!! very well done. I didn't, however know about the EP!! What's it's title?? Pam Chris Stier wrote: > I noticed that Porcupine Tree has a new release out called "Stupid Dreams" > along with another EP. Has anyone heard this yet, and if so, what are your > impressions? I enjoyed the Sky Moves Sideways and Signify wasn't bad either. > > Thanks > > Chris From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Fri Apr 16 02:50:01 1999 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Patrick C.) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:50:01 +1000 Subject: WAY OFF:Re: omar schreef (one more reason to be paranoid) Message-ID: Me thinkest that young larry has been licking too many phones. And a quick remark to Max I'd just like to know what makes him such an authority since the last couple of tabs I give him were just plain paper! (HEHE -GETTING PARANOID NOW???) --------- > From: DASLUD at AOL.COM >> Subject: Re: WAY OFF:Re: omar schreef (one more reason to be paranoid) > Date: Friday, April 16, 1999 4:00 PM > > <> > > wow. my new word for the day. i like that. > > "<>"schreef: > > schreef: > > schreef:schreef: > schreef:schreef: > schreef:schreef:schreef:schreef:schreef: > schreef:schreef:schreef:schreef:schreef:schreef:schreef:schreef:schreschreef :e > f: > schreef:schreef:schreef:schreef:schreef:schreef: > schreef:schreef:schreef:schreef:schreef:schreef:schreef:schreef:schreef: > schreef:schreef:schreef:schreef:schreef:schreef: > schreef:schreschreef:ef:schreef:schreef:schreefschreef::schreef:schreef:schr ee > f: > schreef:schreef:schreef:schreef:schreef:schreef:schsschreef:schreef:chreefsc hs > chreef:schreef:schscscschreef:hreeschreef:f:hreeschreef:f:reef:reef:schreef: :r > eef:scschreef:hreef:schrschreef:eef:schreeschreschreef:schreef:ef:f:schresch re > ef:ef:schsschreschreef:efschreef::chreef:reef:sschreef:chreef:scscschreef:hr ee > schreef:f:hreef:schreef:scschreef:schreef:schreef:hreef:schreef:sschreef:chr ee > f:schreschreef:ef:sschreef:chreef:schreef:schresscschreef:hreef:schreschresc hr > eef:ef:eschreef:f:schreschreef:ef:chschreesscschreef:hreef:chreef:f:reesschr ee > f:scschreef:hrschreschreef:ef:eef:chrschreef:eef:f:ef:sschschreef:schreef:re ef > :cschreef:hreef:scschreef:hreef:schscschreef:hrsschreef:chreef:eef:schreschr ee > f:ef:reef:scschreef:hreschreef:ef:scschreef:hreef:ssschreef:chreef:chreef:sc hr > eef:schreef:schreef:schreef:schreef:schreef:schreef:schreef: > schreef:schreef:schreef:schreef:schreef:schreef:schreef:schrsschrschreef:eef :s > chreef:chrschreef:schrschreef:eef:eef:eeschreef:f:schrscschreef:sschreefschr ee > f::chreef:hreef:schschreef:reef:sschreef:cschreef:hreef:eschreef:ef:scschree f: > hreef:schreefschreef::schreeschreef:f:schreeschreef:f:schreef:schreef:schree f: > schreef:schreef:schreef:schreef:schreef:schreef:schreef:schreef:schresschree f: > chreef:sschreef:schreef:chreef:ef:schreef:schreef: > schreef: From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Apr 16 04:03:13 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 04:03:13 EDT Subject: WAY OFF:Re: omar schreef (one more reason to be paranoid) Message-ID: In a message dated 4/16/99 2:53:54 AM, s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU writes: <> yeah, that clip thing was lame; didnt work. my bad>>>> but it's like, y'know, absurd is as absurd does... "WHY BE RATIONAL/ WHEN I CAN SLING THIS JIVE AROUND" lb, "helicopter dreemz", as recorded by DISARRAY 1985 indeed i am "experienced", as mr. hendrix said, about 10 times 'twixt 1975-79...but i'd say the psychic damage is more learned than lysergically-induced ^_~ "<>" From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Apr 16 05:45:34 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:45:34 +0100 Subject: OFF: Dumpy & Co: short review In-Reply-To: <3209913.3133212766@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: In message <3209913.3133212766 at cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk>, Carl Edlund Anderson writes > Said a lot of Hawkfans got put off >by Bedouin for being too loud and in yer face, Eh? Surely shome mishtake? -- Jon From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Fri Apr 16 06:12:40 1999 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:12:40 +0200 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree Message-ID: Cliff and Pam Wheaton schrieb: > I've got "Stupid Dream"-it's well worth getting. I really like it!! very well > done. > I didn't, however know about the EP!! What's it's title?? > Pam It?s called "Piano lessons" and it?s that sing-a-long song from the album. The b-side is "Ambulance chasing", which would be the best track on the new album if it would be on it. A video has also been shot, so it might show up on TV. In my opinion this is the worst album Porcupine Tree ever did. It?s such a clean and sterile production, and the band is pretty lame. The lyrics are the worst thing though, they just make me feel sick. This album is the disappointment of the year so far! Despite this I?m going to see them live in Utrecht soon, because I hope they?ll be much better live (and they were brilliant last year). Andreas From SHLL at NOVO.DK Fri Apr 16 06:52:27 1999 From: SHLL at NOVO.DK (SHLL) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:52:27 +0200 Subject: OFF:Stuff Message-ID: Hej, I just wanted to comment on the new Porcupine Tree. They have gone off into this sort of dreamy commercial prog style.. The only great song on the CD is the one written by the whole band (2nd or 3rd to last song). Funny how Piano Lessons, the single is sort of a take off of Smells like teen spirit by NIrvana but with a slide guitar. CHeck it out.. the way the riff is constructed.. I really expected more from the band. Anyone know what this Hawkwind-BBC Archives is? They released the BBC 73'. I have a tape of the Top gear 71 and BBC 1970, could it be these? Very curious.. Also, I just updated my concert log on my web page for those that are interested. Go to: Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713/concert.html SCott ObCD- Sons of Selina- Fire in the Hole (Wales 1999) (Sort of a welsh version of Born to Go without the Sci Fi theme!) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 16 06:48:03 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:48:03 +0100 Subject: OFF: Dumpy & Co: short review Message-ID: On fre 16 apr 1999 10.45 +0100 "Jon Browne" wrote: > Carl Edlund Anderson writes: >> [Dumpy] Said a lot of Hawkfans got put off >> by Bedouin for being too loud and in yer face, > > Eh? Surely shome mishtake? Yeah, I said I thought what put most Hawkfans off was Dave hiding behind the synths in Hawkwind! I suppose I can see how people into the soft, synthy side of HW would find Bedouin a bit of a rude awakening ... but who cares about them? :) ;) Cheers, Carl ObApologyToEveryoneI'veJustSlaggedOffWhoLikeTheSoftSynthyHawkwind:) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 16 06:50:59 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:50:59 +0100 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree In-Reply-To: Cliff and Pam Wheaton's message of Fri, 16 Apr 1999 00:52:07 -0600 Message-ID: Cliff and Pam Wheaton writes: > I've got "Stupid Dream"-it's well worth getting. I really like it!! very well > done. > I didn't, however know about the EP!! What's it's title?? > Pam The EP is Piano Lessons (one of the tracks) and a couple of other tracks - can't remember which tho. Kollectors stuff. > > Chris Stier wrote: > > > I noticed that Porcupine Tree has a new release out called "Stupid Dreams" > > along with another EP. Has anyone heard this yet, and if so, what are your > > impressions? I enjoyed the Sky Moves Sideways and Signify wasn't bad either. > > This is, for me, rather disappointing. Admittedly they were headed in a clone Pink Floyd direction which Steve Wilson is ADAMENT he does not want to go and instead has headed off in a kind-of Oasis - Radiohead way. Much more commercial and ummmmm well, boring. The excitement has gone, the variety, the tension - all gone. What's left are some very interesting and well written lyrics and a lot of nice guitar background but not much else. Good if you like that stuff but a long way now from Sky Moves Sideways and Stars Die. The latter is the finest thing they did IMO but it's in a music style that Steve no longer wants to travel - so.... However Virgin had it on their playstand and it's been well reviewed by a number of quality magazines so he seems to know what he's doing. I'm planning to see them in Glasgow and, so far have heard only good reports of the gig. But they are from heavily biassed PTree fans so I'm still a tad uncertain. It could be the last time! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Apr 16 07:31:37 1999 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:31:37 +0100 Subject: OFF: Dumpy & Co: short review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 10:45 16/04/99 +0100, Jon Browne wrote: >In message <3209913.3133212766 at cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk>, Carl Edlund >Anderson writes >> Said a lot of Hawkfans got put off >>by Bedouin for being too loud and in yer face, > >Eh? Surely shome mishtake? In yer face, fine. Reasonably loud, fine. If it's so loud it's going to damage my hearing, or so that you can't actually hear the music, not fine. Dave. Languages Group Manager. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 16 08:54:42 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:54:42 +0100 Subject: OFF: Dumpy & Co: short review Message-ID: On fre 16 apr 1999 12.31 +0100 "Dave Berry" wrote: > In yer face, fine. Reasonably loud, fine. If it's so loud it's going to > damage my hearing, or so that you can't actually hear the music, not fine. Haven't had these problems at either of the two Bedouin gigs I'be been at. But otherwise, I agree. Loud enough to kick you in the diaphragm is good; loud enough (and badly mixed enough that you might as well be standing in a jet engine is pointless. (I apply this test to all musical genres. I think it's genetic :) I inherited a large chunk of my grandfather's classical LPs, which he always played at stupendous volume :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Apr 16 08:38:40 1999 From: MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark P Lee) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:38:40 +0100 Subject: OFF: Many things In-Reply-To: <199904160901.FAA00688@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Here's my 10 bobs worth then (About a dollar for non UK citizens), >> i dunno what kind of computer this'll be done on, but digitizing all of the >> tapes in one gulp will require an sh*tload of memory; could this part of the >> process be broken up between a few people? this will be one of the most >> critical aspects of this project (won't it?) Well if it helps I've got about 50 G's scattered around the dept, streaming in via councard should produce about a me a minute, but we all knew that.... I could tidy up if required using Soundforge or just about 'owt else out there. >I've enough memory to write one CDR at a time which is really all that's >needed. I can digitise each track, cleam 'em up with Cooldeit Pro and >then put 'em together on the disc using either CD Creator, Feurio or >Cooledit. Eh, Memory is far less impartant than hard drive speed and space innit ? Or am I misunderstanding, I can also write with EZ s/w or Prassi or DiscJuggler etc etc etc. . . Only got one burner tho' :(( >> there are applications specifically for cd-sleeve composition/layout; maybe >> someone out there has it...i have a friend who does >>>this isnt necessary, >> of course, but such things do exist<<<... you could do a double-sided insert Corel and most modern DTP stuff has templates available, I just created a page with crop marks to indicate the sizes myself, bung in yer images and text, whack it the printer and attack it with a guillotine. >> booklet pretty easily by laying it out the way the pros do it, each sheet of >> paper representing four pages...and those of you w/printers already know the >> difference in xpense twixt black & white and color printing (grin) Mmmmmm, profit !! Oh yeah, we charge out some amazing prices coz we have to sub all our colour work out, talk about extortion. Maybe they should apply the same rules as paint, any colour you like is cheap, 'cept black !!! >> but based on my own xperiences in the last year or so w/digitizing tapes and >> putting together a cd, depending on your machine(s), memory capacity will be >> a factor, even if you have a lot. As long as I only run at x2 and not x4 I can burn and run most of my server apps at the same time, only 128Mb, but I could do the same with 64 as long as I turned my gateway client s/w off. Then I spotted this:- >> inner cities, and is now working it's way to smaller towns. It seems >> that a new form of gang initiation is to go find as many pay phones >> as possible and put a mixture of LSD and Strychnine onto the buttons. Ooooooh naughty 8-0 >> This mixture is deadly to the human touch, and apparently, this has >> killed some people on the east coast. Strychnine is a chemical used >> in rat poison and is easily separated from the rest of the chemicals. >> When mixed with LSD, it creates a substance that is easily absorbed >> into the human flesh, and highly fatal. Please be careful if you are >> using a pay phone anywhere. You may want to wipe it off, or just not >> use one at all. If you have any questions, you can contact me at the >> links listed below. Please be very careful. Q1. Could you be more specific as to which towns ? Q2. Could you tell me which phone booths ? Q3. Exactly which digits on the pad ? Q4. When will they be having the next initiation ceremony ? Comment1. I guess the only expalnation for this is that some phone co. in the area must have made some employee very disgruntled, whoever came up with the idea must be short of some grey cells by the sound of it so no loss to his presumably previous employer :)))) [The idea made me grab my phone pronto tho' just to check ya know] >> Let your friends and family know about this potential hazard. Thank My mother refuse to come home, she's running 'round the streets of Derby with a headband on and a flower clutched tightly to her heaving bosom.... [darn, my shrink was right about that Oedipus stuff] The above gave rise to cetain questions which should be addressed:- >Fatal = fatal..or am I wrong here... Usually the case, but not in Unix :) Boolean Roolean !=SO >Dead seems to be dead...but who am I to say something about >that, I'm NOT dead, at least I think so. Ahhh, depends entirely on your religious standpoint, some say we continue to live in a differnt state not comprehensible to our minds whilst trapped in the confines of our bodies. And then:- >oh thank you for this morning's levity.. last night i got an e-mail from >jesus too...spring is in the air....^_~ His dad told him to stay away from me as I have a bad influence on him :)))) Followed by:- [snip - tour dates] Andy G. Any dates for Spacehead June/July yet apart from the ones Dibster mentioned at the weekend, I guess I should check out your site again. >The 13th North-German Hawkfan Festival presents The Space Party 1999 with >free entry and free camping. >Fri., June 11, 1999 Video/Slides/Chatting >Sat., June 12, 1999 Live music/light show featuring: Spacehead (UK), Aha ! More UK dates please, Coventry, Stoke, Derby.... And nextly ther came:- >The 5th Unidentified Flying Octave (UFO) Festival (described as "an >experimental music and magic rock festival") will be held over the summer Wadda F*** is Magic Rock, anything to do with mushrooms ?? Now we come to this one:- >naughty people take drugs. They speculate that after one dose the drugs >begin to affect the reasoning abilities of the user in such a way as to >prevent them calculating that it would be a bad idea to take them again. But it's true, I get totally out of my head and lose the ability to make rational decision, even simple things start to appear comical after a couple 'a tabs. >The of course the "vicious spiral" continues. It's startlingly obvious >that it's never occurred to them that people might do this because it's >fun. Darn tootin; of course we moderate ourselves, don't we ?? The review followed this:- [Hack for brevity] > Wandering between loo and bar after the set, I bump into >Dumpy who spies the Hawkwind T-shirt, and we chatted merrily >about Bedouin. He was pretty psyched by them, as a "head band >with _power_", and said Alan & Co had stayed with him after >their gig up his way. "It always takes me a few days to recover >after Alan stays ". Said a lot of Hawkfans got put off >by Bedouin for being too loud and in yer face, but _right_on_, >man! Noting me as an obvious young'un, he couldn't resist >pointing out he'd been at the Brixton Sundown when _Space >Ritual_ was recorded. I told him he was a bastard, which >seemed perfectly fair :) He was at the Derby gig in Dec last year, great guy, but you are correct about his parentage, he seemed proud to be a loud fat b*****d, can't say I blame him, great guy, good laugh, nice smoke. And then, lo and behold:- [Hacked a lot] >schreef:schreef:schreef:schreef:schreef:schreef:schsschreef:schreef:chreefs chs >chreef:schreef:schscscschreef:hreeschreef:f:hreeschreef:f:reef:reef:schreef ::r >eef:scschreef:hreef:schrschreef:eef:schreeschreschreef:schreef:ef:f:schresc hre Sounds like the noise you get from the 'phone :)) Thats my lot for the mo' later guys. Mark. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please reply to mark at esparto.demon.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Apr 16 09:16:19 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:16:19 +0100 Subject: OFF: Dumpy & Co: short review In-Reply-To: <232101.3133252083@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: In message <232101.3133252083 at cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk>, Carl Edlund Anderson writes >ObApologyToEveryoneI'veJustSlaggedOffWhoLikeTheSoftSynthyHawkwind:) I do like S/S/HW esp. when the loud guitars come crashing in halfway through. e.g. the intro to Rocky Paths -- Jon From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Fri Apr 16 09:34:15 1999 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:34:15 +0100 Subject: OFF:HW:COMICS Message-ID: There are a series of CD compilations put together by comic writers (and artists) and on the one by Savage Pencil there is a High Tide track, grom Gutbucket I think. Proof, if proof were needed, that HW and comics are intimately related. Has anyone got Gutbucket? What label is it on? Where can i get it? Mike w From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Apr 16 09:45:58 1999 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:45:58 +0100 Subject: OFF: Dumpy & Co: short review In-Reply-To: <689118.3133259682@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 13:54 16/04/99 +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Haven't had these problems at either of the two Bedouin >gigs I'be been at. Oh good -- reviews here made them seem near the silly side of loud. >But otherwise, I agree. Loud enough to >kick you in the diaphragm is good; loud enough (and badly mixed >enough that you might as well be standing in a jet engine is >pointless. Somehow I exempt Motorhead from this. Maybe this is because volume and lack of restraint are their defining characteristics, and I know what I'd be letting myself in for. Anyhow, I don't go to Motorhead gigs any more! > (I apply this test to all musical genres. I think it's >genetic :) I inherited a large chunk of my grandfather's >classical LPs, which he always played at stupendous volume :) You have to play classical music loud, otherwise you can't hear the quiet bits ;-). I read recently of a professor of music who developed tinnitus after taking his 12-year old to see Smashing Pumpkins. Apparently he's now suing everyone in sight. There's been a spate of scare stories about how modern PAs are so good that people are putting their hearing at risk without even realising it. Dave. Languages Group Manager. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 16 10:13:50 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:13:50 +0100 Subject: OFF: Dumpy & Co: short review Message-ID: On fre 16 apr 1999 14.45 +0100 "Dave Berry" wrote: > At 13:54 16/04/99 +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >> Haven't had these problems at either of the two Bedouin >>gigs I'be been at. > > Oh good -- reviews here made them seem near the silly side of loud. Oh, they are _very_ loud :) but to the point that I find it ridiculous. > Somehow I exempt Motorhead from this. Maybe this is because volume and > lack of restraint are their defining characteristics, and I know what I'd > be letting myself in for. Anyhow, I don't go to Motorhead gigs any more! Motorhead are louder than Bedouin, possibly because they can be :) But the mix at Motorhead gigs I've been to was usually a lot worse than that at the clubs where I saw Bedouin. Motorhead seldom sound good without earplugs, because that's what the soundman is wearing! > I read recently of a professor of music who developed tinnitus after taking > his 12-year old to see Smashing Pumpkins. Apparently he's now suing > everyone in sight. There's been a spate of scare stories about how modern > PAs are so good that people are putting their hearing at risk without even > realising it. The PAs may be good, but the mixes aren't. If the high end is overemphasized because the soundman is mixing for his earplugs, then it doesn't take a lot of brains to notice it getting painful! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Apr 16 10:22:35 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:22:35 EDT Subject: OFF: Dumpy & Co: short review In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990416144558.013211b0@mailhost.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: > From: Dave Berry > I read recently of a professor of music who developed tinnitus How could they tell? theo From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Apr 16 10:32:13 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:32:13 EDT Subject: OFF: Many things Message-ID: In a message dated 4/16/99 9:06:26 AM, MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK writes: <> for all i know, you're right...no guarantee i'm using the right terminology...last weekend i was visiting the friend who's been putting the original tapes of my band into his machine; he was expressing some concern about the space the material was gonna take up, and was saying my machine would be filled right up before we were through... reading other folks' comments, twould seem there's more than one way to go about this...i believe we've been using a "WAVE SE"... is compiling a CD-ROM, something of much greater length/capacity, done differently than putting together one cd? regarding the word "memory", well, seems like my machine is quick to gripe about it "<>" lb From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Apr 16 10:35:36 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:35:36 EDT Subject: OFF:HW:COMICS Message-ID: In a message dated 4/16/99 9:34:37 AM, M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK writes: << Proof, if proof were needed, that HW and comics are intimately related.>> y'all know about THOSE ANNOYING POST BROTHERS #25 from 5 or 6 years ago, right? mr. brock plays a prominent role in that issue of the US comic book>>>>>>> "<>" lb From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Apr 16 10:43:10 1999 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:43:10 +0100 Subject: OFF: Dumpy & Co: short review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 10:22 16/04/99 EDT, Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 wrote: >> From: Dave Berry > >> I read recently of a professor of music who developed tinnitus > >How could they tell? I guess the high warbling sounds continued even after the orchestra stopped playing ;-) Dave. Languages Group Manager. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Fri Apr 16 11:05:38 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:05:38 -0700 Subject: I'm back.. Message-ID: Did you miss me? :P JB From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 16 11:08:32 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:08:32 +0100 Subject: OFF: Dumpy & Co: short review Message-ID: On fre 16 apr 1999 14.16 +0100 "Jon Browne" wrote: > I do like S/S/HW esp. when the loud guitars come crashing in halfway > through. Well, IMO, that's what it's all about :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From aseibert at RAEX.COM Fri Apr 16 12:20:21 1999 From: aseibert at RAEX.COM (Alan Seibert) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:20:21 -0400 Subject: Weird Tapes Message-ID: Long time lurker here. Please count me in for a set of the Weird tapes/cdrs. Did someone really say that Wolden studios sends these out on Type I tapes? That's an abomination! Alan aseibert at raex.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Apr 16 12:22:35 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:22:35 EDT Subject: OFF: Dumpy & Co: short review Message-ID: In a message dated 4/16/99 6:48:15 AM, cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK writes: <> such people MUST be kept from hearing "doremi" and "space ritual", then....their loss... <> "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Apr 16 12:26:22 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:26:22 EDT Subject: OFF: Dumpy & Co: short review Message-ID: In a message dated 4/16/99 7:32:25 AM, daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK writes: <> must admit i prefer to be BEHIND such sound, participating in its playing, rather than IN FRONT of it...but indeed, "too damned loud" is just that ^_~ "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Apr 16 12:27:38 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:27:38 EDT Subject: OFF: Dumpy & Co: short review Message-ID: In a message dated 4/16/99 8:40:30 AM, tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU writes: <<> I read recently of a professor of music who developed tinnitus How could they tell? theo >> speak up, man, i cant hear you! (grin) "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Apr 16 12:39:32 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:39:32 EDT Subject: OFF: Dumpy & Co: short review Message-ID: In a message dated 4/16/99 9:47:07 AM, daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK writes: <> i had tinnitus for several years in the second half of the '80s on account of being in a band...took a real long time for it to go away...i wouldnt want it back>>> technologically speaking, BLUE CHEER abused quite a few eardrums w/o the benefit of contemporary PA's... i suppose a professor of music would be unusually sensitive to his own ears/hearing...but if he's the only one suing as a result of that gig...maybe we should all go to mcdonald's and spill hot coffee on ourselves (grin) "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Apr 16 12:42:44 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:42:44 EDT Subject: OFF: Dumpy & Co: short review Message-ID: In a message dated 4/16/99 10:14:40 AM, cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK writes: << Oh, they are _very_ loud :) but to the point that I find it ridiculous. > Somehow I exempt Motorhead from this. Maybe this is because volume and > lack of restraint are their defining characteristics<< my personal ear-abuse xemption would have been FLIPPER...but i'd take a certain amount of pummeling from the lemster, it's true ^_~ "<>" From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 16 12:51:24 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 17:51:24 +0100 Subject: OFF: Dumpy & Co: short review Message-ID: On fre 16 apr 1999 12.22 +0000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 4/16/99 6:48:15 AM, cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK writes: >> I suppose I can see how >> people into the soft, synthy side of HW would find Bedouin a >> bit of a rude awakening ... > > such people MUST be kept from hearing "doremi" and "space ritual", > then....their loss... IMO, Bedouin compares well to SR and Doremi :) Ah, I forgot to mention that before Dumpy came on, the venue played the whole of _Captured Rotation_ over the sound system :) Cheers, Carl ObLiveTape: Misdemeanor, in K?benhavn :) [Yes, Anna, I've found it, and dubbing will commence ...] -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Apr 16 13:01:52 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:01:52 EDT Subject: OFF: Dumpy & Co: short review Message-ID: In a message dated 4/16/99 12:51:42 PM, cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK writes: << IMO, Bedouin compares well to SR and Doremi :) >> even further confirmation that i need to hear them... "<>" From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 16 13:12:32 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 18:12:32 +0100 Subject: OFF: Dumpy & Co: short review Message-ID: > Oh, they are _very_ loud :) but to the point that I find it > ridiculous. Sorry, there should be a "not" in there! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Fri Apr 16 13:29:33 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 10:29:33 -0700 Subject: OFF: Dumpy & Co: short review Message-ID: I remember seeing BOC in the early days when they were so loud that my ears actually hurt. Led Zeppelin was another I remember being extremely loud. I actually used to like live music loud enough to be right at the pain threshold but no longer.. After 30 years of concerts and 15 of being in bands, my hearing is shot. It really sucks. JB > > < it's going to > damage my hearing, or so that you can't actually hear the > music, not fine. > >> > > must admit i prefer to be BEHIND such sound, participating in > its playing, > rather than IN FRONT of it...but indeed, "too damned loud" is > just that ^_~ > > "<>" > From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Fri Apr 16 13:31:14 1999 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 03:31:14 +1000 Subject: WAY OFF:Re: omar schreef (one more reason to be paranoid) Message-ID: "Patrick C." wrote: > > Me thinkest that young larry has been licking too many phones. And a quick > remark to Max I'd just like to know what makes him such an authority since > the last couple of tabs I give him were just plain paper! (HEHE -GETTING > PARANOID NOW???) Well, those phones you sold me were crap, but that damn dial tone, man, phew, it was heavy man... Wow, the phone numbers are melting... I'm talking bollocks so I shall curtail this message until a more appropriate time... OBCD - Ween "Chocolate & Cheese" (which illustrates my frame of mind at the moment...) From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri Apr 16 13:32:07 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 18:32:07 +0100 Subject: OFF: Dumpy & Co: short review In-Reply-To: <689118.3133259682@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 13:54 16/04/99 +0100, Carl wrote: (I apply this test to all musical genres. I think it's >genetic :) I inherited a large chunk of my grandfather's >classical LPs, which he always played at stupendous volume :) > Nothing quite like the "Dies Irae" from Verdi's "Requiem" turned up to 11 *g* Though "Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi" from "Carmina Burana" comes close (that's the "Old Spice" ad music for the plebs ;-{)> ) ChrisW Free your mind & watch your ass! From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri Apr 16 14:10:33 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:10:33 +0100 Subject: OFF:HW:COMICS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 14:34 16/04/99 +0100, you wrote: >There are a series of CD compilations put together by comic writers (and >artists) and on the one by Savage Pencil there is a High Tide track, grom >Gutbucket I think. Proof, if proof were needed, that HW and comics are >intimately related. Has anyone got Gutbucket? What label is it on? Where >can i get it? > >Mike w "Gutbucket" was a UA/Liberty sampler album from about '71 - a bit like the more famous "Rock Machine" series from CBS or Island's "You Can All Join In"/"Nice Enough To Eat"/"Bumpers"/"El Pea". It never even seemed very common at the time, but you might find it trawling through second hand racks - I think it had a photograph of a pig eating from a bucket on the cover. I can't remember who else had tracks on it, though there's probably something by the Groundhogs, maybe Man or Help Yourself since they both recorded for Liberty/UA in those days....happy hunting. ChrisW Free your mind & watch your ass! From clemens at TRAIL.COM Fri Apr 16 14:20:29 1999 From: clemens at TRAIL.COM (Clemens & Associates) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:20:29 -0600 Subject: "hit single Bosnia" Message-ID: Any word if Baron Brock is taking a break from The Ledge of Darkness to rewrite the "hit single Bosnia" for Kosovo? Mark L. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Fri Apr 16 16:44:08 1999 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:44:08 +0200 Subject: OFF:HW:COMICS/ gutbucket In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990416191033.008e1910@mail.clara.net> Message-ID: >>There are a series of CD compilations put together by comic writers (and >>artists) and on the one by Savage Pencil there is a High Tide track, grom >>Gutbucket I think. Proof, if proof were needed, that HW and comics are >>intimately related. Has anyone got Gutbucket? What label is it on? Where >>can i get it? >> >>Mike w > >"Gutbucket" was a UA/Liberty sampler album from about '71 - a bit like the >more famous "Rock Machine" series from CBS or Island's "You Can All Join >In"/"Nice Enough To Eat"/"Bumpers"/"El Pea". It never even seemed very >common at the time, but you might find it trawling through second hand >racks - I think it had a photograph of a pig eating from a bucket on the >cover. I can't remember who else had tracks on it, though there's probably >something by the Groundhogs, maybe Man or Help Yourself since they both >recorded for Liberty/UA in those days....happy hunting. actually there were 2 of those albums: gutbucket and son of gutbucket. now emi released this on cd as gutbucket in 1994. 25 tracks from: captain beefheart hapshash& thecoloured coat lightnin' hopkins alexis korner groundhogs nitty gritty dirt band papa lightfoot canned heat the hour glass tony mcphee bonzo dog band big joe williams jo ann kelly johnny winter t.i.m.e. high tide jo ann kelly & tony mcphee floating bridge groundhogs canned heat andy fernbach mckenna mendelson mainline idle race brett marvin & the thunderbolts t.i.m.e. if anyone needs to know more ask for it please as it's too much work for typing the tracks if nobody is interested. andre From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Apr 16 15:55:13 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:55:13 +0100 Subject: WAY OFF:Re: omar schreef (one more reason to be paranoid) In-Reply-To: <371773E1.C5428F91@uq.net.au> Message-ID: In message <371773E1.C5428F91 at uq.net.au>, Max Wilcox writes >OBCD - Ween "Chocolate & Cheese" (which illustrates my frame of mind at >the moment...) Yoo messin me up wit' you Voodoo! "Mister, won't you please help my pony? I think it's his lung!" -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Apr 16 15:49:43 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:49:43 +0100 Subject: OFF: Dumpy & Co: short review In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990416183207.008de330@mail.clara.net> Message-ID: In message <3.0.5.32.19990416183207.008de330 at mail.clara.net>, Chris Warburton writes >> > >Nothing quite like the "Dies Irae" from Verdi's "Requiem" turned up to 11 *g* >Though "Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi" from "Carmina Burana" comes close (that's >the "Old Spice" ad music for the plebs ;-{)> ) > >ChrisW Oh, that reminds me, I bought a pair of Eltax Symphony 8 *220* Watt speakers last week. Ahem. Just thought I'd share that with you, and the people three streets away. -- Jon From bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET Fri Apr 16 19:01:20 1999 From: bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET (Brian Halligan) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:01:20 -0700 Subject: OFF: Dumpy & Co: short review Message-ID: >> From: Dave Berry > >> I read recently of a professor of music who developed tinnitus > >How could they tell? > >theo Give him a hearing test, and when he doesn't acknowledge the high-pitched sounds it could be because he hears them all the time now.... ;-) My ears ring all the time, but I'm very good at tuning it out. Doesn't seem to otherwise effect my hearing. I wore neon pink firing range ear plugs to the last BOC show. Maybe that's why I though Buck wasn't playing loud enough? ;-) Brian From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Fri Apr 16 22:23:11 1999 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:23:11 EDT Subject: WAY OFF:Re: Urban Legend (one more reason to be paranoid) Message-ID: In a message dated 99-04-15 14:46:27 EDT, you write: << Also, I have (and still do) eaten an awful lot of acid >> Easy there big guy;) regards, Bill From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Apr 16 22:27:15 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:27:15 -0400 Subject: HW/OFF: Strange Daze '99 Message-ID: Hi Folks... Just had some discussion with Jim Lascko about SD'99. It's been decided to have it again at Nelson Ledges, and the date is set at August 20-22, 1999. Mark that on your calenders! As I said earlier, there was a *chance* that it would be moved down south to Columbus here (Frontier Ranch), but I guess there was some concern about recent police crackdowns there. So the Ledges it is...Jim tells me there might be an opportunity to play past the curfew on a second small stage inside a tent w/ lightshow. 'Quieter' bands, that is. We'll see how that pans out. So far the acts are as follows... Nik Turner with Farflung Anubian Lights Tribe of Cro Alien Planetscapes Quarkspace Escapade Drumplay Thom the World Poet Canis Minor Born to Go There are still a few bands to be determined, including one that is a very recent spinoff of HW. (Hint!) And also a certain spacey-prog German band. Check out www.strange-trips.com I can't play music on my computer, so I can't enter a guess. Keith H. (FAA) P.S. In Cleveland alone, we have... 5/8 - Helios Creed 5/21 - Ozric Tentacles 6/5 - Porcupine Tree 6/11 - Gong (looks like Bloomdido might be coming after all!) 8/20-22 - Strange Daze '99 See ya' at all five! From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Apr 17 08:29:00 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 13:29:00 +0100 Subject: HW/OFF: Strange Daze '99 Message-ID: On fre 16 apr 1999 22.27 -0400 "Keith Henderson" wrote: > There are still a few bands to be determined, including one that is a very > recent spinoff of HW. (Hint!) Bedouin would stand a good chance of blowing everyone at the festival pretty much clean away :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sat Apr 17 10:00:10 1999 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Patrick C.) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 00:00:10 +1000 Subject: "hit single Bosnia" Message-ID: ---------- From: Clemens & Associates Subject: Re: "hit single Bosnia" Date: Saturday, April 17, 1999 4:20 AM Any word if Baron Brock is taking a break from The Ledge of Darkness to rewrite the "hit single Bosnia" for Kosovo? Mark L. Please don't say this is actually true. This is a joke isn't it? ...Guys....tell me it's a joke.....Guys?? From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sat Apr 17 10:09:16 1999 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Patrick C.) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 00:09:16 +1000 Subject: Interesting project Message-ID: Sitting here postulating, I've been thinking that the next HW or Pressurehed project should be based on the recent discovery of the first planetary solar system like ours `Upsilon Andromedae' ; which has two as yet unnamed planets that could hold life. Apparently NASA have decided to send their next `interferometry mission' (a project aimed at finding Earth-sized planets revolving around nearby suns) to this Andromedae. -Patrick C. `Its just you and me Mr C.' Kings of Speed, Hawkwind. From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Sat Apr 17 10:32:44 1999 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 16:32:44 +0200 Subject: "hit single Bosnia" In-Reply-To: <199904171403.AAA13088@yowie.cc.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: >Any word if Baron Brock is taking a break from The Ledge of Darkness to >rewrite the "hit single Bosnia" for Kosovo? > >Mark L. > >Please don't say this is actually true. This is a joke isn't it? >...Guys....tell me it's a joke.....Guys?? i saw the live performance of tim blake last week in huizen and he also had a song about bosnia / sarejevo !!!!!!!!!! maybe he can form a duo with dave and perform on top of the pops ;} andre From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Apr 17 12:00:25 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 12:00:25 EDT Subject: OFF: today's new toy Message-ID: hi gang, compared to last week's RESEARCH-IT, this here device can be asked questions like "what is the meaning of life?"....what kinda answer you'll get is another story, but by golly, you can try asking... ask jeeves/ask.com "<>" larry b From kg at THING.DE Sat Apr 17 13:29:14 1999 From: kg at THING.DE (stalker) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 19:29:14 +0200 Subject: The Moor / Nik Turner / K. Gerwers -> TOUR Message-ID: Swedish Alternative/Progressive rockers The Moor will play some gigs in Germany in may together with Nik Turner. The shows will be centered around The Moor albums "Every Pixie Sells A Story", "Flux", Nik Turner's album "Xitintoday" and songs from Nik's time with Hawkwind and Inner City Unit. (The set, however, will NOT be the same than during the last tour....) As on the last tour the show will also feature German media-artist and writer Knut Gerwers who will be reading his and the late Robert Calvert's poetry, he will also sing on some Moor-songs as a replacement for Hans Moll who left the band early this year. The new bassist Jonas Hallberg, temporary replacement for Stefan Renstrom, will also sing on some songs. All dates will be recorded on multi-track for possible live-album release. Live dates: 12. 5. 1999, Langenau (near Ulm), Fisherman?s Kulturcafe 14. 5. 1999, Heidelberg, Schwimmbad Club 15. 5. 1999 *, Stuttgart / K?ngen, (heading Kirchheim/Teck), Jugendhaus Trafo * together with Der Kampf gegen den Schlaf Expect one or two gigs to be added. Further info on the locations can be found on the tour-infopages (see below) Line-up: Klas Edmundsson - Guitar Jonas Faeldt - Drums & Perc. Knut Gerwers - Vocals & Recital Kenneth Magnusson - Keyboards Jonas Hallberg - Bass Nik Turner - Flute, Sax & Vocals Press-info: Anyone who wants to interview the band or review the show should contact Sabine Trunzer at Open Your Mind Roadrunner at +49 (0)7383 2210 - or Harald Stuermer / Sonic Attack at SonicAttack at t-online.de or reply to this letter. Take care, Kenneth Magnusson & Knut Gerwers Adress-Data: Bishop Garden Records http://w1.515.telia.com/~u51502055/ mailto:bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 official Moor homepage: http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ The Moor Tour Info http://home.t-online.de/home/sonicattack/li-moor.htm & http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/themoor.htm The Robert Calvert Site - the spirit of the p/age: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Apr 17 14:25:50 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 19:25:50 +0100 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree In-Reply-To: <199904161050.LAA29594@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Apr 1999, J Strobridge wrote: > Cliff and Pam Wheaton writes: > > > I've got "Stupid Dream"-it's well worth getting. I really like it!! very well > > done. > > I didn't, however know about the EP!! What's it's title?? > > Pam > > The EP is Piano Lessons (one of the tracks) and a couple of other tracks > - can't remember which tho. Kollectors stuff. The other tracks are 'Ambulance Chasing', which they were performing last tour and should have been on the album but got dropped at the last minute, and would, as Andreas says, have improved it enormously I suspect; and 'Wake As Gun', which has come out before in two bits on the 'Insignificance' fan-club cassette, and is a nice song whose riff Steve lifted intact on the last No Man album. > This is, for me, rather disappointing. Admittedly they were headed in > a clone Pink Floyd direction which Steve Wilson is ADAMENT he does not > want to go and instead has headed off in a kind-of Oasis - Radiohead > way. Much more commercial and ummmmm well, boring. The excitement > has gone, the variety, the tension - all gone. What's left are some > very interesting and well written lyrics and a lot of nice guitar > background but not much else. Good if you like that stuff but a long > way now from Sky Moves Sideways and Stars Die. The latter is the > finest thing they did IMO but it's in a music style that Steve no longer > wants to travel - so.... I agree with you here, Jill: though I like the album it's not what Porcupine Tree is supposedly about, i. e. psychedelic/progressive music. Any of this stuff could have been put out as No Man material. Yours, Jon P.S. Jill - that Pink Fairies thing you have, 'Pleasure Island' - could you tell me who's in the band on it and when it came out? To fill a trivia gap... From ChStier at AOL.COM Sat Apr 17 23:14:03 1999 From: ChStier at AOL.COM (Chris Stier) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 23:14:03 EDT Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree Message-ID: Thanks for all the info on the new release. I think I may only pick up the EP for now (Amazon.com claims to have it and if any of you are Neil Young fans, they also have the Year Of The Horse video documentary which is pretty interesting). I've also noticed that Steven Wilson is part of the Incredible Expanding Mindfuck. What is this all about and is this worth getting? Also, does anyone have any High Tide for trade? I'm looking for the Precious Carge or Interesting Times CDs (did they have some sort of live CD as well? Like a 3 song 60 minute jam for the BBC?) or any live material? What is Pete Pavli doing today??? Thanks! Chris From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Apr 17 23:42:20 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 23:42:20 EDT Subject: HW: Boots on E-bay Message-ID: Subject: Hawkwind on ebay From: "Eli W. Fuller" Date: Fri, Apr 16, 1999 10:54 EDT Message-id: <37174F40.B74B454B at earthlink.net> Hi, I have some Hawkwind boots on ebay, check it out at: http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=thrillvulture From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Sun Apr 18 08:53:07 1999 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 08:53:07 EDT Subject: HW: Boots on E-bay Message-ID: > > Hi, I have some Hawkwind boots on ebay, check it out at: > http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid= > thrillvulture > > Tape sales are what kills it for the average fan(s) who want to tape shows. When bands deny honest tapers, those who don't sell their wares, they point to the examples of those who do. :::two cents mode ended:::: bob From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Apr 18 11:32:13 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 16:32:13 +0100 Subject: HW: Boots on E-bay Message-ID: On s?n 18 apr 1999 08.53 +0000 "Bob Lennon" wrote: > Tape sales are what kills it for the average fan(s) who want to tape shows. > When bands deny honest tapers, those who don't sell their wares, they point > to the examples of those who do. Who the heck is dumb enough to _buy_ *tapes*? So easy to trade other recordings or send blanks. If bands want to spread their music _and_ beat bootleggers, the obvious way is to encourage taping and trading. That'll kill the CD-R boot market as well. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sun Apr 18 11:35:55 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 16:35:55 +0100 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree & High Tide In-Reply-To: Chris Stier's message of Sat, 17 Apr 1999 23:14:03 EDT Message-ID: Chris Stier writes: > I've also noticed that Steven Wilson is part of the Incredible Expanding > Mindfuck. What is this all about and is this worth getting? He is the IEM - it's his alter ego. If you can get it it's probably worthwhile. More in the "Krautrock" style from what I remember it's a mixture of long heavy guitar riffs and extended quieter wierd experimental bits with occasional chunks of plunkety string stuff and swooshy noises and one very beautiful acoustic track. All instrumental. I definitely prefer it to his Stupid Dream style! Also - if you are curious - he joined up with Fish (ex Marillion) on Sunsets on Empire and the two of them crafted an excellent album (except that I dislike Fish's singing style so much it's unlistenable-to) > Also, does anyone have any High Tide for trade? I'm looking for the Precious > Carge or Interesting Times CDs (did they have some sort of live CD as well? > Like a 3 song 60 minute jam for the BBC?) or any live material? What is Pete > Pavli doing today??? Not sure about the last bit but here's some info from the inner sleeve of "A Fierce Nature" a collection of tracks released 1990: "The original High Tide was one of Britain's most innovative progressive groups and their two albums "Sea Shanties" and "High Tide" are still rightly revered. They were led by Tony Hill, one of rock's finest, and most under-rated guitarists, who had previously played with the legendary Misunderstood. Sadly, the original High Tide - Simon House (violin), Pete Pavli (bass), Roger Hadden (drums) plus Hill - was doomed to a premature demise and although House later found fame in Hawkwind, his former colleagues were less successful. Hill nonetheless continued to make enthralling music, although much of his work remained unissued. He and House were reunited in 1986 for a third High Tide release "Interesting Times" while SPM has recently compiled "The Flood" a set of archive recordings from the 1970s and "Ancient Gates", a collaboration with Indian singer Sushi Krishnamurthi and drummer Drachen Theaker. The latter musician is also featured on the enclosed [A Fierce Nature] collection. A former member of the Crazy World of Arthur Brown, Theaker's association with High Tide dates from their days in the musically fertile enclave at Puddletown in Dorset. "A Fierce Nature" continues the high quality of Hill's prvious work, his guitar work is never short of inspiring, while Theaker provides the perfect support. This excellent collection captures all the fire and purpose of High Tide's early work, yet retains a contemporary purpose. Perhaps time is only now catching up with Hill's exceptional vision." Brian Hogg, October 1990. Releases available from SPM, PO Box 28 03 52 D-1000 Berlin 28. Phone 49 30 404 8832 Fax: 49 30 786 1175 yrs off-topically jill > > Thanks! > > Chris > ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Sun Apr 18 11:45:25 1999 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 11:45:25 EDT Subject: HW: Boots on E-bay Message-ID: In a message dated 4/18/99 11:32:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK writes: > > Who the heck is dumb enough to _buy_ *tapes*? So easy to trade > other recordings or send blanks. If bands want to spread their > music _and_ beat bootleggers, the obvious way is to encourage > taping and trading. That'll kill the CD-R boot market as well. > agreed 1,000,000,000 percent.... bob From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sun Apr 18 12:03:16 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 17:03:16 +0100 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree In-Reply-To: Jonathan Jarrett's message of Sat, 17 Apr 1999 19:25:50 +0100 Message-ID: Jonathan Jarrett writes: > I agree with you here, Jill: though I like the album it's not what > Porcupine Tree is supposedly about, i. e. psychedelic/progressive music. > Any of this stuff could have been put out as No Man material. Yours, > Jon True - I suspicion that No-Man and IEM are probably his preferred style and he uses these bands as a way of experimenting with material that eventually comes out under the (hopefully) more commercial cover of PTree. I'll give him credit - he really is trying very, very hard to make a commercial success of this venture and the show is definitely worth catching - more for the 2nd half though where he concentrates on the "old slop" as he somewhat disparagingly called it - than the first half which is a mixture of reflective songs, and intensive guitar and drum and strobe sequences - almost as if he is trying to make up in intensity of sound for the lack of tension in the music. The Glaswegians loved it though - which is a remarkable feat in itself - trust me!!! > > P.S. Jill - that Pink Fairies thing you have, 'Pleasure Island' - could > you tell me who's in the band on it and when it came out? To fill a trivia > gap... > ummm - not absolutely sure - the sleeve is not informative and says only that "Fairies on this disk are TWINK & PAUL [Rudolph]" If this is true then it's just the two of them in a studio. It certainly sounds as if there was someone else playing as well but with the miracles of technology I guess two would have been sufficient if you just keep overlaying the guitar work. cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Sun Apr 18 23:26:40 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 23:26:40 -0400 Subject: BOC: huh? Message-ID: on www.midnightrecords.com: BLUE OYSTER CULT-Dharma...-(April Ltd.CD Unre.'70 LP+Live NY'75/6) 21.99 Any clue as to what is on it? ... no label is listed sadly enough. Jason "I'm in a FOUL mood today. Stay outa my way or I'll CRITIQUE YOUR ASS to hell. Just ME,just YOU...a decent song. You wanna see THEM, see THEM. I don't give a shit." - Richard Meltzer From MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Apr 19 06:11:25 1999 From: MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark P Lee) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:11:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Gig confirmation. In-Reply-To: <199904190901.FAA22339@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Confirmation, Received information on Sunday, Hawkwind will play the Star Trek convention in Burton On Trent (Near Derby) on June 30th 1999, haven't got details for phone numbers or anything unfortunately. More info will follow as discovered, all I can say at the moment is that Dave may well arrive at the venue well in advance of the gig to allow time for a good look around, word from the venue is that fire safety is checking for the use of the flame-eating peoples, sounds like it should be a great start to '99 for the Hawks. Oh, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Dave there for the whole three days, if his schedule permits,so if you go, stop looking for the best Deanna Troi clone and keep 'em peeled for the man. Cheers, Mark. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please reply to mark at esparto.demon.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From sonique at SONIQUE.NET Mon Apr 19 09:03:18 1999 From: sonique at SONIQUE.NET (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:03:18 +1000 Subject: OFF: Re: Gong world tour Message-ID: Here's that Daevid Allen 'prose' from Byron Bay I mentioned (FWIW). Am I alone in thinking he's lost it? Soniqu? ---daevid allen wrote: > > OH LAWD SAVE ME > PLEASE SAVE ME LAWD > ITS SUNDAY > & ITS 1999 > > PLEASE.... > SAVE ME FROM THE ORDINARY AUSTRALIAN > > I DONT SEE TOO MANY ROUND HERE THANK GOD > I THOUGHT I SAW A COUPLE IN WOOLWORTHS ONCE > SOMETIMES YOU SEE EM ON TV ADS > THERES A FEW UP THE ROAD THAT TRY PRETTY HARD > BUT NOT QUITE HARD ENOUGH > DO YOU MISTA TUCKERBAG? > > I CANT STAND > ORDINARY AUSTRALIANS > > ORDINARY DECENT HARDWORKING TAX PAYING AUSTRALIANS > HONEST DECENT RED NECK RIGHT WING MONEY GROVELLING > EARTH FLATTENING > SEA POISONING > KOORIE HATING > ANTI LAND RIGHTS > BIGOTED RACIST XENOPHOBIC > ORDINARY DECENT > HARD WORKING AUSTRALIANS > > ORDINARY DECENT HARD WORKING > CULTURALLY CHALLENGED > AUSTRALIANS... > ...CAN SOMEBODY > ESSENTIALLY > OIL THE RUSTY CRINGE? > > BUT > DONCHA LOVE EM TO DEATH? > THOSE ORDINARY DECENT > SMALL TIME > INSENSITIVE .STUPID. DIM WITTED > ARROGANT. AGGRESSIVE. LYING BAD TEMPERED. SHIT CENTRED > OVER PAID. OVER FED. LAZY SPOILT BRAT > HARD WORKING TAX PAYING AUSTRALIANS > WITH THEIR RATIONAL NATIONAL EXCUSES > FOR RIPPING THE SOUL OUT OF PUBLIC RAINFORRESTS > TO MAKE EXQUISITE JAPANESE WRAPPING PAPER > & THEN POCKETING THE YEN SNARLING: > HANDS OF MY MONEY > YOU THEIVING BARSTARDS > OR I'LL GET YOU BUSTED FOR SMOKING HOPE > > OH BABY > DONCHA LOVE EM WHEREVER THEY ARE? > THOSE ORDINARY DECENT HARDWORKING BATTLERS > MOUTHS STUFFED WITH > PAVLOVS PAVLOVA > FINGERS STICKIN TO THE SCRIPT OF THE HUNDREDTH MONKEY -SAYIN: > SHE'LL BE RIGHT & > NO WORRIES MATE & > FUCK YOU JACK I'M OK > > MARCHING LIKE PACKER- -PROGRAMMED LEMMINGS > OFF CLIFFS INTO B GRADE SOAPIES > RESENTING ALL EXCELLENCE > MOWING DOWN THE TALL POPPIES WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING ABOUT > THE OPIATE OF THE PEOPLE > > hey > get that barstard off the mike > get the fuckwit outa sight > JUST GET HIM OUT..... > > YEAH RIGHT! > BRING ON THE SPIN! > SO I SAY FUCK YOU TOO DONALD BRADMAN > & SPORTING HEROES OF THE FOURTH REICH > YOU GOT THE ANSWER HAVE YA? > JUST BRING ON THE SPIN BOWLERS WITH THEIR UGLY MOUTHS. &THEN: > BRING ON THE > SPORTS TONIGHT > SPIN DOCTORS > TO SPIN US ALL OUT > TILL WE'RE WRECKED ON > THE RECREATIONAL DRUGS > YOU PROP UP BY PROHIBITION > ADDICTED TO THE THE ROMANCE OF DEATH BY HARD WORK > HARD DRINK HARD DRUGS > HARD EYED WITH NATIONAL PRIDE > YEAH > I'M AN OZZIE MATE AN MY MATES ARE TOO > SO IF YOUR NOT AN OZZIE > WOT ARE YA? > > TO THIS I SAY: > AUSTRALIA > TAKE YR MANGO FLAVOURED CONDOM OFF > YOU WONT CATCH ANYTHING EXCEPT A > NOT SO FLASH REFLECTION > OF YOURSELFISH > NO > YOU WONT CATCH ANYTHING YOU HAVENT GOT ALREADY > EXCEPT THE SAD S'TRUTH COBBER-MATE-BLUEY... > THAT THERE IS NO HONEST > DECENT HARDWORKING AUSTRALIAN > > WAAAAAAAAAKE UP AUSTRALIA! > THIS IS NOT YOUR LAND > YOUR CASTLES MADE OF SAND > THIS PLACE WAS NEVER CALLED AUSTRALIA > WE RIPPED IT OFF > & THATS COOL DUDE > THATS SOMETHING TO FIGHT FOR...AY? > SO WE CAN USE IT UP > & BURN IT OUT > BEFORE THE KIDS GET A CHANCE TO TASTE IT > & WASTE IT > EVEN MORE > YEAH! WE ARE PEOPLE OF > NO COUNTRY NO NATIONALITY > NO PRIDE > SIMPLY WORRIED WORLD CITIZENS > WITH BAD TASTE IN CLOTHES & > BAD BREATH IN BED > (& THATS WHY I AUGHT TO KEEP > MY BIG MOUTH SHUT) she said > > SO COME ON > YOU ORDINARY DECENT > AUSSIE BATTLERS > DO THE ONLY THING YOU DO WELL > BEAT UP THE POET! > THAT'LL SHOW HIM WONT IT? > > CUM ON OZIE CUM ON > STICK THE BOOT IN > WHILE HE'S DOWN > > THATS THE WAY WE GRINNERS > WIN IN SPORT > STICK THE BOOT IN > EVEN WHEN HE'S HISTORY > > THAT'LL TEACH HIM > TO TELL THE TRUTH > IN A FREE COUNTRY > daevid allen 99 -- PO Box 378 Paul Ward Ashburton http://sonique.net VIC 3147 (time permitting) Mob:0418 524744 sonique at sonique.net From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Apr 19 10:19:24 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 07:19:24 -0700 Subject: No subject Message-ID: >Any word if Baron Brock is taking a break from The Ledge of Darkness to = rewrite the "hit single Bosnia" for Kosovo? Dunno. Savatage's "Dead Winter Dead" is being discussed in a lot of forums though. Brilliant album that one. L8er Ghost in the Ruins NP: The Dungeons are Calling - Savatage From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Apr 19 10:28:49 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:28:49 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: Gong world tour In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Soniqu? wrote: => Here's that Daevid Allen 'prose' from Byron Bay I mentioned (FWIW). Am I => alone in thinking he's lost it? => => Soniqu? => => ---daevid allen wrote: => > => > OH LAWD SAVE ME => > PLEASE SAVE ME LAWD => > ITS SUNDAY => > & ITS 1999 => > => > PLEASE.... => > SAVE ME FROM THE ORDINARY AUSTRALIAN [...] I dunno, I thought it was a pretty entertaining rant (and well-executed in that genre), but then, in the interests of full disclosure, I must disclaim that I am a pom. ;-) (I don't think he's lost it at all. You may dislike the content, but I think it was pretty sharply done.) Cheers, Paul. NP: Band of Gypsys, _Live at the Fillmore East_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Mon Apr 19 10:34:51 1999 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:34:51 +0100 Subject: HW: gig news etc Message-ID: Hello, I can confirm that Hawkwind will be playing the Sci-fi convention in Burton on Trent on 5th June. We have two other festivals in this country (and a few gigs) in the process of being confirmed. I should know by tomorrow and will update both page and boc-list. We also have 2 festivals in Czechoslovakia this summer waiting to be confirmed. So things are starting to happen! Dawn of Hawkwind cd is due out at the end of this month and will be followed by Glastonbury Festival 1990. The band have just completed a Hawkwind Family Tree cd. As some one has already noticed we are applying for fire licences etc and will hopefully be performing a new stage show complete with dancers etc. I am in the process of getting this together at the moment. We have some old faces and some new ones with some exciting new dance and circus routines. Thats it for now Kris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Mon Apr 19 10:34:59 1999 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 00:34:59 +1000 Subject: OFF: Gong world tour Message-ID: Soniqu? wrote: > > Here's that Daevid Allen 'prose' from Byron Bay I mentioned (FWIW). Am I > alone in thinking he's lost it? SNIP>>> Sounds pretty spot-on to me. From what I can tell, it looks like he's complaining about the same people that, say, Midnight Oil are complaining about on "Redneck Wonderland" (a wonderful album, by the by). If, on the other hand, he were saying "why don't more people listen to Pauline Hanson", then I'd be worried. Certainly a far cry from pot-head pixies, but those things weren't exactly "politically aware" kinds of songs anyway. Well, I'd buy it if he put it to music. - Max From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Apr 19 10:51:54 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:51:54 EDT Subject: OFF: Re: Gong world tour In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Paul Mather > On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Soniqu? wrote: > > => Here's that Daevid Allen 'prose' from Byron Bay I mentioned (FWIW). Am I > => alone in thinking he's lost it? > => > => Soniqu? > => > => ---daevid allen wrote: > => > > => > OH LAWD SAVE ME > => > PLEASE SAVE ME LAWD > => > ITS SUNDAY > => > & ITS 1999 > => > > => > PLEASE.... > => > SAVE ME FROM THE ORDINARY AUSTRALIAN > [...] > > I dunno, I thought it was a pretty entertaining rant (and well-executed > in that genre), but then, in the interests of full disclosure, I must > disclaim that I am a pom. ;-) > > (I don't think he's lost it at all. You may dislike the content, but I > think it was pretty sharply done.) > > Cheers, > > Paul. You could just as well have plugged in USA in place of Oz and not been too far off, I'm afraid... theo From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Mon Apr 19 11:10:29 1999 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:10:29 +0100 Subject: HW:Wierd tapes Message-ID: All Wierd tapes are in the process of being remastered and officially released by Hawkwind on cd. Dave Brock -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Apr 19 11:18:10 1999 From: COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Its got to be PUMPING!!!!!) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:18:10 +0100 Subject: HW:Wierd tapes Message-ID: Well thats sorted out a few things. colm -----Original Message----- From: XXX To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 19 April 1999 14:10 Subject: HW:Wierd tapes >All Wierd tapes are in the process of being remastered and officially >released by Hawkwind on cd. > >Dave Brock From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Mon Apr 19 11:20:36 1999 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 01:20:36 +1000 Subject: HW:Wierd tapes Message-ID: XXX wrote: > > All Wierd tapes are in the process of being remastered and officially > released by Hawkwind on cd. > > Dave Brock Well, there goes that idea :^) Seriously, six CDs worth, I wonder, or a compilation of the non-anthologised songs? Either way, sounds like a goer to me... - Max Wilcox From COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Apr 19 11:40:36 1999 From: COLM at MCLIAM.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Its got to be PUMPING!!!!!) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:40:36 +0100 Subject: HW:Wierd tapes Message-ID: I wonder if they already planned to release them on CD or did they get the idea from somewhere(I wonder where?) Anyway it good to see that Kris and Dave knows this List exists. colm -----Original Message----- From: XXX To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 19 April 1999 14:10 Subject: HW:Wierd tapes >All Wierd tapes are in the process of being remastered and officially >released by Hawkwind on cd. > >Dave Brock From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Apr 19 13:07:44 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:07:44 +0100 Subject: HW:Wierd tapes Message-ID: On m?n 19 apr 1999 16.10 +0100 XXX wrote: > All Wierd tapes are in the process of being remastered and > officially released by Hawkwind on cd. Ah! Well, I'll hold out for that then ... I'd prefer to get the notarized product from the band :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Apr 19 13:11:33 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:11:33 +0100 Subject: HW:Wierd tapes Message-ID: On m?n 19 apr 1999 16.40 +0100 "Its got to be PUMPING!!!!!" wrote: > I wonder if they already planned to release them on CD or did they get the > idea from somewhere(I wonder where?) Anyway it good to see that Kris and > Dave knows this List exists. Hawkwind have been claiming the Weird Tapes will come out on CD for several years. I think I remember asking Richard about it with Scott in 1995. They haven't exactly leapt "out of the studio and onto the shelves", but I think we can at least be sure that the band knows there is a demand among fans for them :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Apr 19 13:36:37 1999 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:36:37 +0100 Subject: HW: Lyrics Message-ID: A common complaint here is that lyrics for new songs aren't as good as the old ones. Even allowing for nostalgia, and excluding Bob's songs (as Bob was clearly a class above most rock lyricists), I think that's true. And I've got a couple of ideas about it. One is that HW have traditionally [1] done very well from links with SF writers. Bob considered himself primarily an SF poet, and there's the Moorcock connection. (Over on the other side of the list, much of BOC's last album had lyrics by John Shirley). So maybe the band should try and link up with other SF writers out there now. Assuming UK writers for ease of contact, Ken MacLeod's world would fit the HW mould very nicely. Iain Banks has written lyrics for his own use; maybe he'd be interested in a HW link? (He may have different music in mind for the lyrics he's already written, but might be interested in a collaboration). Anyone else want to suggest suitable writers? Possibly it would just be a good idea for Dave to hang out at an SF convention for a weekend. (How many SF writers are likely to be at the Star Trek con?). Another idea is to think of particular situations from books that are worth developing into lyrics. One that comes to mind is the character from Greg Egan's "Quarantine", who gets a mind modification that makes him loyal to an organisation called the Ensemble. He knows that the Ensemble have altered his mind to make him loyal, but since he is now loyal to them, he knows they must have had a good reason for altering his mind... The whole Alien/X-Files schtick is getting a bit long in the tooth now, so that's a theme best avoided. It worked well for the Alien 4 album, but that was a few years back. My other idea was a reaction to someone's comment about "generic SF themes". I've got no problem with SF themes -- isn't that what it's all about? -- but I agree that "generic" can be a problem. You've got to get specific, to think of particular characters in particular situations, and to make both the characters and the situations something special. How many of HW's recent songs really have been that generic? "Your Fantasy" comes to mind, but many others aren't -- e.g. "Blue Skin", "Sputnik Stan". "Wheels" and "Clouded Vision" off Distant Horizons suffer from being too over-generic, IMO. Anyone else got any thoughts on situations that would make a good HW song? Dave. Languages Group Manager. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Apr 19 14:09:36 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:09:36 +0100 Subject: HW: gig news etc Message-ID: On m?n 19 apr 1999 15.34 +0100 XXX wrote: > I can confirm that Hawkwind will be playing the Sci-fi > convention in Burton on Trent on 5th June. Ah, I've always thought an SF con would be a great place to see HW. I think I'll probably miss this though :/ > Dawn of Hawkwind cd is due out at the end of this month and > will be followed by Glastonbury Festival 1990. There cannot be too much live early-90s HW available :) > The band have just completed a Hawkwind Family Tree cd. Wassat? A kind of "friends & relations" type thing? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Mon Apr 19 14:39:08 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:39:08 -0500 Subject: HW - - CD Talk Message-ID: Hello People, Just wanted to say a few things.... 1. Does anyone have any information on a possible new release called "Live `70-`72" ? (Could this be the BBC Archives listed on CD Zone ?) 2. Does anyone have any information about the BBC Archives CD on CD Zone? 3. And speaking of Boots here lately (poor guy), I am a collector of both CDR's and Official ones. For my personal collection. (Over 250 HW CD's so far)(Some "the same") I AM NOT interested in selling them (boots). I can sometimes aquire copies, through sources, for people looking for certain ones. Trade is what I'd expect. You buy me a Hawkwind CD or two, and I'll see what I can do. This way Dave get's Something! OK... enuff. 4. Cashed in on a cache of Space Bandits today, and for you listeners out there, for a limited time, can snag one for yur-self for just $6.99 each + sh. They've been OOP for a while, hard to find, and on the GWR label. Yeah, there's plenty of "Castle"'s out there, but this is Made In America!!! RARE ! All waiting for you out there to take advantage of. Plenty of copies. 5. Listing tonight, on the store, will be.... Hawkwind-Silver Machine (Hallmark)..$8.99 Hawkwind-Best & the Rest of Live (Action Replay)..$9.99 both new and still sealed! (Yeah....big deal....everyone has a copy and probably paid less) Just thought I'd mention it ! 6. P.S. Keep an eye out for my Wanted List, I pay nicely, and really apprechiate (no spell checker on my machine, sorry) it. Hawkman. www.intplsrv.net/hawkman If anyone from Cleopatra reads this, could "yooz guys" get hold of me? EBS too... Come on, I wanna sell yur stuff ! ! ! ! Hawkman Music is a member of the UBL which in fact of no certain terms means absolutely nothing. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Apr 19 15:13:29 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:13:29 -0700 Subject: HW: OFF: Death Trap again - Life imitates Art ... Message-ID: ... or, BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR ... YOU MAY GET IT! (sorry for excessive off-topic personal content) A couple weeks ago, you may recall that I was whining to the list about not having the studio version of "Death Trap" on CD. I was finally able to track down a mail-order copy of 'PXR5', and I was quite happy when it arrived on friday, when I was at home with the day off from work. Since I was hosting a band from Japan (the King Brothers - amazing higher-energy-than-you-can-believe blues/punk), and I had to drive them down from Oakland to KFJC on the San Francisco peninsula for a live radio performance, I didn't have time to listen to the whole disc, but it was great to hear "Death Trap" from something other than a slightly-warped record! Little did I know how intimate I was about to become with that song ... on our way to the radio station, my car's engine seized up, started smoking, and caught fire. We were barely able to pull over onto the shoulder, get out of the car, and RUN!! before flames reached the passenger compartment. Some good samaritans stopped behind us and discharged their fire extinguisher in a vain attempt to quell the flames, but by the time a fire engine arrived, the front half of the vehicle was engulfed. When the fire was finally quenched, the entire passenger compartment had melted, the engine was fried, the windows had popped, and what remained was seriously charred. Fortunately no one was injured, and the band's equipment was all in a different vehicle, which was still able to get them to the radio station in time to perform. It wasn't a total loss (even though the automobile was!) since I was able to write a song about the incident that we performed the next night when we opened for the King Brothers in Oakland. To bring things back on topic ... I gotta say that the Virgin 'PXR5' CD is a pretty cheesy budget reissue that definitely deserves a better release - the songwriting credits are off (Ade Shaw isn't credited on "Jack of Shadows", but Simon King & Dave Brock erroneously are; none for the title track), the informative personnel credits and recording dates/locations from the LP issue are missing, no mis-wired plug graphic (maybe we'll have to wait for an American version for that) - it's too bad that the EBS release ain't gonna happen. It's still great to hear the album again, though. I thought that the renditions of "Robot" and "Death Trap" were highlights of the first US tour with Ron ... "Jack of Shadows" and "High Rise" are real nice melodic tracks that highlight Simon House's musicianship. And I *really* like the wah-wah(?) violin solo on "Robot" - definitely a major inspiration for me. Even the stripped-down Brock/King tracks are pretty darn good. The only real disappointment is that I think the Neu!/Krautrock version (from the '76 tour) and the high-energy punkish version (from the Hawklords tour) of "Uncle Sam's On Mars" are far superior to the constipated-sounding version of 'PXR5'. Even still, Bob's stream-of-consciousness improvisation on this version pretty much redeems it (even if it doesn't include the "... first American to set foot on Mars got the last remaining life form stuck to the bottom of his boot and said oh shit!" line - I love that one!). I also hadn't heard the CD version of "High Rise" - very different from the LP version - I now recognize it as the source for the Grenas-sung version of Nik's 'Past or Future' CD. Not sure whether I prefer the LP or CD version - they're both good! But mostly, I'm glad I finally have a CD copy of "Death Trap", even if it's now a Hawkwind song that I can safely say I've lived through! -Doug ceres at sirius.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Apr 19 15:35:10 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:35:10 -0700 Subject: OFF: Dumpy & Co: short review Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:13:50 +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > >On fre 16 apr 1999 14.45 +0100 "Dave Berry" wrote: >> >> There's been a spate of scare stories about how modern >> PAs are so good that people are putting their hearing at risk without even >> realising it. > >The PAs may be good, but the mixes aren't. If the high end >is overemphasized because the soundman is mixing for his earplugs, Actually, with GOOD (musician-type, $15-$20 for a cheap set, more like $100+ for a custom-fit set) earplugs, you can hear the high end very clearly (but not too loudly) - far better than without. The problem with soundmen is that years of exposure to loud music has killed their high-frequency sensitivity (high frequency sounds permanently push hair cells over more easily/rapidly than bass tones do); THAT is the reason why most PA mixes, at live shows OR from DJ's, emphasize too much treble and pain-inducing high frequencies. Dave is definitely right about the modern PA's - they can reproduce painful high frequencies far better than older ones, which would naturally roll off the highs due to their poor frequency response. >then it doesn't take a lot of brains to notice it getting painful! The most painfully-loud band I've ever seen was Sonic Youth - they weren't LOUDER than Mot?rhead, but they played so much high frequency feedback that it was unbearable (the old knitting-needle-in-the-eardrum sensation) without earplugs. -Doug ceres at sirius.com From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Mon Apr 19 16:03:30 1999 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:03:30 +0100 Subject: HW Star Trek Con gig Message-ID: A quick search turned the fololwing link to the Star Trek con that HW are to be playing at. Thesite makes no mention of the Hawks though. Could be because the gig has only just be confirmed, I guess. Nick http://come.to/avalonconvention From age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Apr 19 17:36:06 1999 From: age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Adrian Parr) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:36:06 +0100 Subject: HW: Star Trek Con Message-ID: Hello Folks Hawkwind are playing at the Avalon Star Trek Con on Saturday June 5th, not the 30th. I got a poster yesterday and that's what it had down on that anyhow. It's a 3 day event in Burton on Trent, Staffordshire (4th - 6th June). For further updates on forthcoming Hawkwind news, gigs and more, then Visit the "Hawkeye on Hawkwind" website at: http://www.conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk/index.html All the best Age -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Mon Apr 19 22:08:38 1999 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:08:38 +1000 Subject: HW: Lyrics Message-ID: For what it's worth - I think that Ron Tree's lyrics are gradually becoming very good - the new stuff in Reptoid on IYA I thought was excellent. Rizz's chorus' leave a lot to be desired, but his actual spoken stuff is ok (and getting better). SF themes are SF themes in my opinion, doesn't matter if you dress them up all postmodern - cyberpunk's the same stuff that people were doing in the 60s. SF's a pretty flawed literary genre (note - IMO - note) - it is in the imagery that it excels, which is what HW have always used. Many of the band members have said at various times something to the effect of "most SF is crap", but it is the imagery that is being used. Perhaps they should take this maxim more seriously? Just some thoughts... - Max From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 20 06:21:44 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:21:44 +0100 Subject: Interesting project In-Reply-To: Patrick C.'s message of Sun, 18 Apr 1999 00:09:16 +1000 Message-ID: Patrick C. writes: > Sitting here postulating, I've been thinking that the next HW or > Pressurehed project should be based on the recent discovery of the first > planetary solar system like ours `Upsilon Andromedae' Is this really "Upsilon" rather than "Epsilon"? > which has two as > yet unnamed planets that could hold life. They're gas giants aren't they? I guess we're not talking life as we know it? It's a gas, but it ain't space rock. > Apparently NASA have decided to > send their next `interferometry mission' (a project aimed at finding > Earth-sized planets revolving around nearby suns) to this Andromedae. So we'll get the results in a few thousand years? Maybe they're just going to point some instruments in that direction? It's good news that extrasolar planets are common. One thing I did wonder is whether having two Jupiter sized planets in a system would be good for rock type planets since there'd be considerably more gravitational perturbations in such a system. I'm too lazy to do the math though. We used to have professional astronomers on this list (Hey McIntyre, you still out there?). Maybe they could comment. > -Patrick C. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 20 06:22:48 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:22:48 +0100 Subject: "hit single Bosnia" In-Reply-To: cosmos's message of Sat, 17 Apr 1999 16:32:44 +0200 Message-ID: cosmos writes: > i saw the live performance of tim blake last week in huizen Did he play New Jerusalem? Does he still wear that silly Gary Glitter suit? Did you get a tape? Enquiring minds want to know... FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 20 06:28:48 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:28:48 +0100 Subject: HW:Wierd tapes In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:11:33 +0100 Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > Hawkwind have been claiming the Weird Tapes will come out > on CD for several years. I think I remember asking Richard about > it with Scott in 1995. They haven't exactly leapt "out of the > studio and onto the shelves", but I think we can at least be sure > that the band knows there is a demand among fans for them :) It's certainly excellent news. It's nice to find a way to encourage more releases :-) FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 20 06:37:45 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:37:45 +0100 Subject: HW:Wierd tapes Message-ID: On tis 20 apr 1999 11.28 +0100 "M Holmes" wrote: > It's nice to find a way to encourage more releases :-) More _good_ releases, that is. We all know there's no call for yet another hopelessly retread compilation entitled _Masters of the Universe_ ;) But Hawkwind are in a good position now to "beat the boots" if they want to. And that can only be good for everyone: Hawkwind sell records, we get new music. Top notch! Cheers, Carl ObCD: Alien 4! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 20 06:47:42 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:47:42 +0100 Subject: HW: Lyrics In-Reply-To: Dave Berry's message of Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:36:37 +0100 Message-ID: Dave Berry writes: > A common complaint here is that lyrics for new songs aren't as good as the > old ones. Even allowing for nostalgia, and excluding Bob's songs (as Bob > was clearly a class above most rock lyricists), I think that's true. And > I've got a couple of ideas about it. > > One is that HW have traditionally [1] done very well from links with SF > writers. Bob considered himself primarily an SF poet, and there's the > Moorcock connection. (Over on the other side of the list, much of BOC's > last album had lyrics by John Shirley). So maybe the band should try and > link up with other SF writers out there now. Assuming UK writers for ease > of contact, Ken MacLeod's world would fit the HW mould very nicely. Iain > Banks has written lyrics for his own use; maybe he'd be interested in a HW > link? I'm afraid that despite best efforts, neither Ken nor Iain are Hawkwind fans though if they played an SF convention which they attended (only considerable threats and bribery would persuade them to a Star Trek convention I'd hazard) then I'm sure they'd go to the gig. Dunno about writing lyrics but I could ask them. > > Possibly it would just be a good idea for Dave to hang out at an SF > convention for a weekend. (How many SF writers are likely to be at the > Star Trek con?). Wel there's a certain pair of authors who seem to be at all the brit conventions. I think one of them has also penned some Star Trek stories herself. > Another idea is to think of particular situations from books that are worth > developing into lyrics I always liked the Amber series... ~> One that comes to mind is the character from Greg > Egan's "Quarantine", who gets a mind modification that makes him loyal to > an organisation called the Ensemble. He knows that the Ensemble have > altered his mind to make him loyal, but since he is now loyal to them, he > knows they must have had a good reason for altering his mind... I haven't read that one, but Egan's stuff is usually quite interesting. > The whole Alien/X-Files schtick is getting a bit long in the tooth now Absofragginlutely. > Anyone else got any thoughts on situations that would make a good HW song? Government attacks and monitoring of the Net such as key escrow for encryption products would seem to fit in pretty well with the technology theme and Brock's apparently anarchist politics. Rather than far out SF I wonder if a better concept wouldn't be some sort of near term hard SF such as a realistic but doomed mission to Mars. Backed up by either a comic or story outlining the characters and what went wrong, this could look a lot stronger than the Death Generator idea. Those of you who remember Apollo 13 will know the drama of having heroes struggling for survival beyond the help of anyone. It could also end up fairly topical in a few years. It fits in pretty strongly with things like the Hawkwind Log and poetry like The Awakening and First Landing on Medusa. > Dave. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 20 06:48:57 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:48:57 +0100 Subject: HW: gig news etc In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:09:36 +0100 Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > Ah, I've always thought an SF con would be a great place to > see HW. Me too, though a Star Trek con isn't exactly what I had in mind. I'll probably go anyway since it could easily be a good laugh. > Carl FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 20 06:50:37 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:50:37 +0100 Subject: HW - - CD Talk In-Reply-To: Stephan Spiegel's message of Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:39:08 -0500 Message-ID: Stephan Spiegel writes: > 1. Does anyone have any information on a possible new release = > called > "Live `70-`72" ? (Could this be the BBC Archives listed on CD Zone ?) I have this. It's a rerelease of Text of Festival. FoFP From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Apr 20 07:55:41 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:55:41 +0100 Subject: HW: Lyrics In-Reply-To: <199904201047.LAA18791@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > > > Another idea is to think of particular situations from books > that are worth > > developing into lyrics > > I always liked the Amber series... > The trouble with this sort of approach, I fear, is that you could end up with "The Ballad of Bilbo Baggins" all over again if you're not careful. I bet Dave knows Mick Farren, or used to anyway. Mick's not been slow to write excellent lyrics lately, for the Deviants, and for Wayne Kramer. And no, they're no mostly not sf, and "Lost Johnny" wasn't sf, but so what eh! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Tue Apr 20 08:03:36 1999 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:03:36 +0200 Subject: HW - - CD Talk / live 70-72 In-Reply-To: <199904201050.LAA21058@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: >> 1. Does anyone have any information on a possible new release = >> called >> "Live `70-`72" ? (Could this be the BBC Archives listed on CD Zone ?) > >I have this. It's a rerelease of Text of Festival. > >FoFP is it the complete double vinyl album this time or again only 3 album-sides. andre From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Tue Apr 20 08:23:44 1999 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:23:44 +0200 Subject: Fwd: Re: "hit single Bosnia" Message-ID: >> i saw the live performance of tim blake last week in huizen > >Did he play New Jerusalem? > >Does he still wear that silly Gary Glitter suit? > >Did you get a tape? > >Enquiring minds want to know... > >FoFP well he played only for nearly an hour. he did play about 7 songs from which 5 were new tracks. only the opener was an instrumental song, and a very good one that was. he had lots of trouble with his computer and so he did a lot of stoned jokes, chatting, rebooting etc. etc. his voice was as usual, great to hear that raspy voice of him. mostly he played piano (because of the pc problems), bosnia/sarejevo hitsong, song for a new age (with acoustic guitarplayer added) and yes during the only encore he played new jerusalem. completely improvised with only a sequencer in the background and over this he played some synths and later again piano. though this was an electronic festival he played mainly piano and asked if he could do this here ;) it was great to see him perform but it was a chaotic (unprepared ?) gig. if he wants he can really play the keys and the pity was he should have done this some more. but his state wasn't perfect (too stoned) and he started too late. anyway he was very very friendly and open to the audience. he was dressed in white trousers and a singlet and a towel !!!! (he had just taken a shower before the start of the gig) and wearing jesus sandals. it was almost 20 years ago since i saw him the last time perform. i didn't record this, and it's probably better that way. his new cd will be released in about 2-3 months. but don't hold your breath for it:) hopefully this is interesting enough to read. in a couple of weeks i get some photos of this gig. andre From mordru at FLITE.NET Tue Apr 20 09:05:23 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:05:23 -0400 Subject: HW: Lyrics Message-ID: >> Another idea is to think of particular situations from books that are worth >> developing into lyrics > >I always liked the Amber series... One of my favorites (in fact, probably my second-favorite fantasy series of all time). You are aware that there is a movie in the works? Such things... to do a song based on it, you can't do "tell the story" and have it come off right, it just don't work (ref - the lyrics in BOC's "The Pact"). If anything, it should focus on a specific moment, one character, and his motives and what he's trying to do, that usually works better for me than an attempt to describe action... One note - there is a particular tune repeatedly mentioned in the books that might be a worthy attempt, Corwin is the composer of a tune that pops up in the storyline now and then entitled "The Ballad of the Water Crossers", some kind of a tribute to Amber's navy he wrote during/after his years spent in its service, apparently it's catchy, Vialle hums it now and then, and I think that girl in Rebma knew it as well. That might be a decent tact to take. Corwin normally doesn't focus on that kind of stuff, but on occasion he lets that side out. At one point, while looking over Bleys' army in Avernus, he decides he rather likes the place and will write a song about the place and the people he and Bleys are about to sacrifice in their goal... About the only other in-series musical references are that Random plays drums, and Martin plays Saxaphone. And Merlin is stalked by someone wearing a Pink Floyd T-Shirt at one point. ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Apr 20 09:31:12 1999 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:31:12 +0100 Subject: HW: Lyrics In-Reply-To: <199904201305.JAA21637@issfire1.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: At 09:05 20/04/99 -0400, Andrew A. Apold wrote: >Such things... to do a song based on it, you can't do "tell the story" >and have it come off right, it just don't work (ref - the lyrics in >BOC's "The Pact"). If anything, it should focus on a specific moment, >one character, and his motives and what he's trying to do, that usually >works better for me than an attempt to describe action... I agree entirely -- except that I really like "The Pact"! Dave. Languages Group Manager. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Tue Apr 20 10:21:57 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:21:57 -0500 Subject: HW: OFF: Death Trap again - Life imitates Art ... Message-ID: I was finally able to track down a mail-order copy of 'PXR5', and I was quite happy when it arrived on friday, when I was at home with the day off from work Wow! could you tell me who still has them for sale? I'd like a few copies! Thanks! Hawkman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Tue Apr 20 10:23:23 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:23:23 -0500 Subject: HW - - CD Talk Message-ID: Hello People, Just wanted to say a few things.... 1. Does anyone have any information on a possible new release called "Live `70-`72" ? (Could this be the BBC Archives listed on CD Zone ?) 2. Does anyone have any information about the BBC Archives CD on CD Zone? 3. And speaking of Boots here lately (poor guy), I am a collector of both CDR's and Official ones. For my personal collection. (Over 250 HW CD's so far)(Some "the same") I AM NOT interested in selling them (boots). I can sometimes aquire copies, through sources, for people looking for certain ones. Trade is what I'd expect. You buy me a Hawkwind CD or two, and I'll see what I can do. This way Dave get's Something! OK... enuff. 4. Cashed in on a cache of Space Bandits today, and for you listeners out there, for a limited time, can snag one for yur-self for just $6.99 each + sh. They've been OOP for a while, hard to find, and on the GWR label. Yeah, there's plenty of "Castle"'s out there, but this is Made In America!!! RARE ! All waiting for you out there to take advantage of. Plenty of copies. 5. Listing tonight, on the store, will be.... Hawkwind-Silver Machine (Hallmark)..$8.99 Hawkwind-Best & the Rest of Live (Action Replay)..$9.99 both new and still sealed! (Yeah....big deal....everyone has a copy and probably paid less) Just thought I'd mention it ! 6. P.S. Keep an eye out for my Wanted List, I pay nicely, and really apprechiate (no spell checker on my machine, sorry) it. Hawkman. www.intplsrv.net/hawkman If anyone from Cleopatra reads this, could "yooz guys" get hold of me? EBS too... Come on, I wanna sell yur stuff ! ! ! ! Hawkman Music is a member of the UBL which in fact of no certain terms means absolutely nothing. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 20 11:05:07 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:05:07 +0100 Subject: HW - - CD Talk / live 70-72 In-Reply-To: cosmos's message of Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:03:36 +0200 Message-ID: cosmos writes: > >> 1. Does anyone have any information on a possible new release = > >> called > >> "Live `70-`72" ? (Could this be the BBC Archives listed on CD Zone ?) > > > >I have this. It's a rerelease of Text of Festival. > > > >FoFP > > is it the complete double vinyl album this time Does the Pope shit in the woods? > or again only 3 album-sides. Just the 3 sides. I guess we should be grateful they didn't call it "Masters of the Universe". FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 20 11:07:03 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:07:03 +0100 Subject: Fwd: Re: "hit single Bosnia" In-Reply-To: cosmos's message of Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:23:44 +0200 Message-ID: cosmos writes: [Tim Blake...] > his new cd will be released in about 2-3 months. > but don't hold your breath for it:) Have Voiceprint got anything to do with this? > andre FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 20 11:11:06 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:11:06 +0100 Subject: HW: Lyrics In-Reply-To: Andrew A. Apold's message of Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:05:23 -0400 Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold writes: > >I always liked the Amber series... > > One of my favorites (in fact, probably my second-favorite fantasy series > of all time). You are aware that there is a movie in the works? No I wasn't. It *could* be an awesome movie. Who's doing this? How likely is it to happen? Which actors are doing the princes and princesses? > Such things... to do a song based on it, you can't do "tell the story" > and have it come off right, it just don't work (ref - the lyrics in > BOC's "The Pact"). If anything, it should focus on a specific moment, > one character, and his motives and what he's trying to do, that usually > works better for me than an attempt to describe action... Agreed. I've for a while planned to write a Civ II scenario based on the first Amber series. "Plans that either come to nought..." > Andrew Apold FoFP From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Tue Apr 20 11:17:40 1999 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 01:17:40 +1000 Subject: HW: Lyrics Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > I've for a while planned to write a Civ II scenario based on the first > Amber series. "Plans that either come to nought..." ...or half a screen of army lines... er, sorry. - Max From mordru at FLITE.NET Tue Apr 20 11:55:09 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:55:09 -0400 Subject: HW: Lyrics Message-ID: >Andrew A. Apold writes: > >> >I always liked the Amber series... >> >> One of my favorites (in fact, probably my second-favorite fantasy series >> of all time). You are aware that there is a movie in the works? > >No I wasn't. It *could* be an awesome movie. Who's doing this? How >likely is it to happen? Which actors are doing the princes and princesses? Well.... supposedly the same team behind Starship Troopers. Don't know of Verhoeven is the director, though. It was posted to the zelazny newsgroup a couple times... No word on any actors yet. Trouble is, by definition, they all have to be larger than life... and the locations, too. It will be hard to live up to expectations. Still, I am holding out hope... It's too bad Zelazny couldn't have been around to help make sure it remained pure... (while he was alive he probably would have not allowed it any other way, given his experience with what they did to Damnation Alley)... ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Apr 20 12:19:58 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:19:58 +0100 Subject: HW: Lyrics In-Reply-To: <199904201555.LAA27257@issfire1.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: > Well.... > supposedly the same team behind Starship Troopers. > Don't know of Verhoeven is the director, though. A quick websearch shows that Ed Neumeier has written a screenplay (or at a treatment). Neumeier wrote the screenplays for _ST_ and _RoboCop_, among others. But it seems to be in very early days. I bet it's a speculative punt which may be taken up if Peter Jackson's _Lord of the Rings_ is successful. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Tue Apr 20 12:58:21 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Gekke Henkie) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:58:21 +0200 Subject: HW:Wierd tapes In-Reply-To: <1529445.3133534293@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: Op 19 Apr 99, om 18:11, Carl Edlund Anderson schreef: > Hawkwind have been claiming the Weird Tapes will come out > on CD for several years. I think I remember asking Richard about In what time will they come, when they were saying it for years_maybe you can help us out here Dave_ > it with Scott in 1995. They haven't exactly leapt "out of the > studio and onto the shelves", but I think we can at least be sure > that the band knows there is a demand among fans for them :) Yes, and still willing to buy the Tapes from Wolden studios. --BArt From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Apr 20 13:15:23 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:15:23 EDT Subject: HW: Lyrics In-Reply-To: <000601be8b49$a2780280$9c3f63c3@default> Message-ID: > From: Andy Gilham > > A quick websearch shows that Ed Neumeier has written a screenplay (or at a > treatment). Neumeier wrote the screenplays for _ST_ and _RoboCop_, among > others. But it seems to be in very early days. I bet it's a speculative > punt which may be taken up if Peter Jackson's _Lord of the Rings_ is > successful. Interesting to note that both flicks were directed by Verhoven. Maybe there's a connection... theo From MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Apr 20 13:37:20 1999 From: MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark P Lee) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:37:20 +0100 Subject: HW: Oooops. In-Reply-To: <199904200901.FAA29743@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Tue Apr 20 15:14:38 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:14:38 -0500 Subject: HW - - - More CD's from Griffin Message-ID: Check the store tonight.... More griffin stuff in Hawkman www.intplsrv.net/hawkman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Apr 20 14:14:24 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:14:24 -0400 Subject: HW/OFF: Asteroid#4 show in Philly Message-ID: Hi Folks... For anyone in the Philadelphia area: Don't know Lenola, but Asteroid #4 is a pretty cool space/psych group. Kinda Floydian, part modern dreamy/shoegazing stuff. Keith H. (FAA) Asteroid #4 vs. Lenola "the battle for cosmic supremacy" Sat. April 24th at the Khyber - 10pm From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Tue Apr 20 15:46:14 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:46:14 -0500 Subject: HW: CD Talk Message-ID: Hello People, Just wanted to say a few things.... 1. Does anyone have any information on a possible new release called "Live `70-`72" ? (Could this be the BBC Archives listed on CD Zone ?) 2. Does anyone have any information about the BBC Archives CD on CD Zone? 3. And speaking of Boots here lately (poor guy), I am a collector of both CDR's and Official ones. For my personal collection. (Over 250 HW CD's so far)(Some "the same") I AM NOT interested in selling them (boots). I can sometimes aquire copies, through sources, for people looking for certain ones. Trade is what I'd expect. You buy me a Hawkwind CD or two, and I'll see what I can do. This way Dave get's Something! OK... enuff. 4. Cashed in on a cache of Space Bandits today, and for you listeners out there, for a limited time, can snag one for yur-self for just $6.99 each + sh. They've been OOP for a while, hard to find, and on the GWR label. Yeah, there's plenty of "Castle"'s out there, but this is Made In America!!! RARE ! All waiting for you out there to take advantage of. Plenty of copies. 5. Listing tonight, on the store, will be.... Hawkwind-Silver Machine (Hallmark)..$8.99 Hawkwind-Best & the Rest of Live (Action Replay)..$9.99 both new and still sealed! (Yeah....big deal....everyone has a copy and probably paid less) Just thought I'd mention it ! 6. P.S. Keep an eye out for my Wanted List, I pay nicely, and really apprechiate (no spell checker on my machine, sorry) it. Hawkman. www.intplsrv.net/hawkman If anyone from Cleopatra reads this, could "yooz guys" get hold of me? EBS too... Come on, I wanna sell yur stuff ! ! ! ! Hawkman Music is a member of the UBL which in fact of no certain terms means absolutely nothing. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 20 16:11:35 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:11:35 +0100 Subject: HW: CD Talk Message-ID: On tis 20 apr 1999 14.46 -0500 "Stephan Spiegel" wrote: > Hello People, > Just wanted to say a few things.... *Again*. And in HTML ... -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Apr 20 14:03:13 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:03:13 +0100 Subject: HW: Lyrics In-Reply-To: <199904201047.LAA18791@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: FoFP wrote > >Rather than far out SF I wonder if a better concept wouldn't be some >sort of near term hard SF such as a realistic but doomed mission to >Mars. Backed up by either a comic or story outlining the characters and >what went wrong, this could look a lot stronger than the Death Generator >idea. Those of you who remember Apollo 13 will know the drama of having >heroes struggling for survival beyond the help of anyone. > >It could also end up fairly topical in a few years. It fits in pretty >strongly with things like the Hawkwind Log and poetry like The Awakening >and First Landing on Medusa. > Anyone been listening to the "audio movie" of Baxter's "Voyage" on R4 Monday nights? ChrisW NP:HW 1999 Party(2) Free your mind & watch your ass! From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Apr 20 14:11:23 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:11:23 +0100 Subject: HW: gig news etc In-Reply-To: <199904201048.LAA19394@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 11:48 20/04/99 +0100, you wrote: >Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > >> Ah, I've always thought an SF con would be a great place to >> see HW. > >Me too, though a Star Trek con isn't exactly what I had in mind. I'll >probably go anyway since it could easily be a good laugh. > >> Carl > >FoFP I may also attend since I'm currently residing in Burton with me dear old mum!!!! ChrisW NP:1999 Party (2) - still Free your mind & watch your ass! From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Tue Apr 20 18:53:07 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:53:07 +0100 Subject: HW: Lyrics In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990420190313.007e2100@mail.clara.net> Message-ID: >>Rather than far out SF I wonder if a better concept wouldn't be some >>sort of near term hard SF such as a realistic but doomed mission to >>Mars. Backed up by either a comic or story outlining the characters and as far as adaptations (and i'll try not suggest the Illuminatus trilogy, oh well, i just did) Kim Robinson's Mars stuff might work nicely if chopped down a bit. Okay, a lot. >Anyone been listening to the "audio movie" of Baxter's "Voyage" on R4 >Monday nights? Yeah, i've never read the book but i'm quite enjoying this; R4 seems to be getting pretty SF orientated over the past while: this, The Kraken Wakes, the Blake's 7 stuff (which i keep missing, d'oh!) And that's not to mention that a few of the Dr Who New Adventures writers are working on Emmerdale at the moment (!) Oh yeah, and having spent the day putting my lps in alphabetical order (look, it was raining okay?) i've been playing a few things i've not spun in a while, amongst them - Roy Harper's Jugula (i'd forgotten how immense this is, 'Hangman' esp.) and, actually i'll stop here cos i'll just ramble on for ever. To those in the vicinity of Derby (and there must be, ooh, three of us now): at the Vic (opp. the train station) on Saturday night there'll be a bit of a 60s psych nite happening. Bands playing will be The Screaming Mad (very Syd B-ish Floyd type stuff apparently (although i dunno how much i trust my sources on this)) and The Psychotic Reaction (local band, top 60s punk action and nice guys to boot). andrew From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Tue Apr 20 19:41:44 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:41:44 -0500 Subject: HW : HTML e-mails Message-ID: Help! I keep getting complaints about my "HTML" e-mails. Look...I have a NEW computer. A K6-2 300Mz. It has windows 98. I use Outlook Express for sending mail. It all looks good to me even when I send e-mails to my work, which also have NEW computers and windows 98-95. Only a very few people are complaining about this. Could someone either tell me what I'm doing wrong, or tell the people that don't get my e-mails "the way they like them" to get a new computer!!! I've gone over all the possible settings in Outlook Express and have not seen anything pertaining to "type" of e-mail. So again, either help me fix this "problem" or just...... Thanks, Hawkman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Tue Apr 20 19:50:24 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:50:24 -0500 Subject: HW : OK, is this better? Message-ID: OK, here ya go....Test test...1..2...3..Test this should be "ancient" text delivery. From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Tue Apr 20 19:52:25 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:52:25 -0500 Subject: HW: CD Talk again Message-ID: OK, I did some more searching and found the setting. How does this look? -----Original Message----- From: Stephan Spiegel To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 2:52 PM Subject: HW: CD Talk Hello People, Just wanted to say a few things.... 1. Does anyone have any information on a possible new release called "Live `70-`72" ? (Could this be the BBC Archives listed on CD Zone ?) 2. Does anyone have any information about the BBC Archives CD on CD Zone? 3. And speaking of Boots here lately (poor guy), I am a collector of both CDR's and Official ones. For my personal collection. (Over 250 HW CD's so far)(Some "the same") I AM NOT interested in selling them (boots). I can sometimes aquire copies, through sources, for people looking for certain ones. Trade is what I'd expect. You buy me a Hawkwind CD or two, and I'll see what I can do. This way Dave get's Something! OK... enuff. 4. Cashed in on a cache of Space Bandits today, and for you listeners out there, for a limited time, can snag one for yur-self for just $6.99 each + sh. They've been OOP for a while, hard to find, and on the GWR label. Yeah, there's plenty of "Castle"'s out there, but this is Made In America!!! RARE ! All waiting for you out there to take advantage of. Plenty of copies. 5. Listing tonight, on the store, will be.... Hawkwind-Silver Machine (Hallmark)..$8.99 Hawkwind-Best & the Rest of Live (Action Replay)..$9.99 both new and still sealed! (Yeah....big deal....everyone has a copy and probably paid less) Just thought I'd mention it ! 6. P.S. Keep an eye out for my Wanted List, I pay nicely, and really apprechiate (no spell checker on my machine, sorry) it. Hawkman. www.intplsrv.net/hawkman If anyone from Cleopatra reads this, could "yooz guys" get hold of me? EBS too... Come on, I wanna sell yur stuff ! ! ! ! Hawkman Music is a member of the UBL which in fact of no certain terms means absolutely nothing. From mordru at FLITE.NET Tue Apr 20 20:01:22 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:01:22 -0400 Subject: HW : HTML e-mails In-Reply-To: <001f01be8b87$5ff52620$0bf7050c@hawkwind> Message-ID: At 06:41 PM 4/20/99 -0500, you wrote: > Help! "" e-mails. A K6-2 300Mz. I use Outlook Express for >sending mail. It all looks good to me even when I send e-mails to my >work, which also have NEW computers and windows 98-95. Only a very few >people are complaining about this. Could someone either tell me what I'm >doing wrong, "the way " to get a new computer!!! I've gone over all >the possible settings in Outlook Express "" of e-mail. "" or just...... That's because it interprets all the code it puts into your mail.... when someone using a program that doesn't, they get all the tags and it's very jumbled and hard to read. I don't know about Outlook, but most programs should have a way to turn this off. A good one will be able to establish various "rules", such as "turn it off when sending to BOC-L". After all, those extra tags make it look nice but take up more bandwidth, and are unecessary to get your point across. (in fact, I installed a newer version of eudora that did interpret them and didn't like it, because some people would use HUGE fonts and stuff and now I mostly use the older one. I had to use the new one to read this message, though, as I usually don't bother. Anyways, it's up to you. A good number of people can't or won't read what you say if you send it in html. ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From mordru at FLITE.NET Tue Apr 20 20:02:33 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:02:33 -0400 Subject: HW: CD Talk again In-Reply-To: <004201be8b88$d98f1a80$0bf7050c@hawkwind> Message-ID: At 06:52 PM 4/20/99 -0500, you wrote: >OK, I did some more searching and found the setting. >How does this look? Good. ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Tue Apr 20 20:38:29 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:38:29 -0500 Subject: HW : HTML e-mails Message-ID: (started off a private e-mail...but... it's not nice to talk behind peoples' back) Thanks Eric! Yeah, I see what you mean by the text. I've got a few in like that myself from other businesses, and wondered why it looked like that. Thanks for writing back too. Since I've been on this BOC thing, I've only got a few responces from anyone. Seems like 96% of the people on here ignore me. Well, I've been listening to HW since 1975 and have bought at least $8,000 - $10,000 worth of HW stuff from LP's to CD's. Sure would be nice if the people on here would be a little more friendlier to newbies, and a lot less "critical" of the bands' music. I say "If you don't have your own Band - Who are "you" to talk?" And how many of these critics have ever played an instrument or studied music. I have, but you won't see me ever say anything bad about any of Hawkwinds' music....well.....maybe I'm not too crazy about HW mixing in "ray-gay" reagae? type music with the space music on the latest IYA. I can't stand ray-gay to begin with, let alone mixing it into HW. I mean what's next? Country music twang/Space Music? Let's keep it all 100% Space!!! Once again, THANKS!!! Hawkman P.S. I gotta go to St. Louis for a 2 day business trip tomorrow, so I will not be responding to my e-mails until Friday evening. Up up and away.... From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Tue Apr 20 20:44:33 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:44:33 -0500 Subject: HW : HTML e-mails Message-ID: Thanks Andrew! You explained it real good. I now know what to tell people, when this type of error happens again! HM From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 20 21:01:22 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 02:01:22 +0100 Subject: HW: HTML e-mails Message-ID: On tis 20 apr 1999 20.01 -0400 "Andrew Apold" wrote: > At 06:41 PM 4/20/99 -0500, you wrote: >>I use Outlook Express for sending mail. Ah! I think I see your problem ... ;) > when someone using a program that doesn't, they get all the tags and > it's very jumbled and hard to read. > After all, those > extra tags make it look nice but take up more bandwidth, and are > unecessary to get your point across. > Anyways, it's up to you. A good number of people can't or won't read > what you say if you send it in html. Quite--the internet is full of fancy gimmicks that often won't reach people with older machines and systems. You'd be surprised how many people--and institutions--are out there with very old systems. My machine is woefully obsolete by contemporary standards, but still miles ahead of anything in my college's computer lab (and that's at a pretty posh college at a pretty posh university--pretty embarassing, really!). Generally, the closer you aim to the "lowest common denominator" the more people you can actually communicate with. My email client interprets HTML, but I generally junk anything that comes in as HTML without looking at it. Nothing personal, it's just a means of filtering mail! I generally avoid web pages with lots of "toys" as well. It's the old "signal-to-noise" thing! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Apr 20 23:39:15 1999 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 23:39:15 -0400 Subject: HW: HTML e-mails In-Reply-To: <1439305.3133648882@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> from "Carl Edlund Anderson" at Apr 21, 99 02:01:22 am Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > >>I use Outlook Express for sending mail. > > > Ah! I think I see your problem ... > > ;) Much as I yearn to agree with you :-), I don't think this one's solely Gates's fault. Netscape and Eudora are just as bad. Oh, and Lotus Notes, too. *sigh* Indeed, considering the form of the quoted material, I'd say the infiltration's pretty much complete :-) > I generally avoid web > pages with lots of "toys" as well. > It's the old "signal-to-noise" thing! I hope you're willing to make an exception for Spirit of the P/Age. The signal *is* the noise... -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / Perl is a challenge left for the syntactic masochist. - http://www.gnu.org/software/guile/guile.html From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Tue Apr 20 23:41:46 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:41:46 +0900 Subject: HW: Lyrics Message-ID: Chris Warburton wrote: > FoFP wrote > > > > > > Anyone been listening to the "audio movie" of Baxter's "Voyage" on R4 > Monday nights? > > I'd be interested in tapes of this if anyone has them. This wasn't carried by the world service. Drifting back to topic, it's a shame Banks isn't a fan. I've often felt the Culture is the perfect foil for a HW album. -- Dave Greenhalgh ICQ#33513470 From MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Apr 20 21:06:56 1999 From: MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark P Lee) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 02:06:56 +0100 Subject: OFF: SF suggestions In-Reply-To: <199904210001.UAA04595@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Hmm, > Another idea is to think of particular situations from books that are worth > developing into lyrics I always liked the Amber series... And I just thought that Stephen Lawhead's Pendragon cycle was worth a twiddle, I get inspiration from all over the place, Terminator movie was fun ? Hey, just thought, how about McCaffery - Dragons and Fables revisited :) Cheers, Mark. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please reply to mark at esparto.demon.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Apr 21 04:20:31 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:20:31 +0100 Subject: OFF : Sad news about Skip Message-ID: from alt.music.psychedelic I know Skip had some fans here, myself included. _______________________________________________ Skip Spence, Of Moby Grape And Jeff Airplane, Dies 12:09 a.m. Apr 18, 1999 Eastern SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Skip Spence, an original member of the rock group Jefferson Airplane and founder of the short-lived but influential band Moby Grape, died Friday, hospital officials said. He was 52. Spence, who had long battled alcoholism, schizophrenia and periods of homelessness, died just weeks before the release of ''More Oar,'' a CD album tribute to him featuring musicians including Beck, Robert Plant, Tom Waits and members of R.E.M., the San Francisco Chronicle said Saturday. ``His body just gave out,'' Spence's son Omar told the Chronicle after his father's death in a Santa Cruz hospital, where he was taken April 5 and placed on a ventilator. ``We tried our best to extend him, but it got to he point where it would have been inhumane. Anybody can live on life support, but that's not living.'' Born Alexander Lee Spence in Ontario, Canada in 1946, Skip Spence moved to California and became a key part of the thriving San Francisco music scene in the 1960s and early 1970s, starting out as a drummer with Jefferson Airplane and moving on to found Moby Grape in 1966. He is also credited with suggesting that the local rock group Pud get itself a new name -- which it did, as the Doobie Brothers. With Moby Grape, Spence reverted to playing his original instrument -- the guitar -- and quickly developed a national following as a skilled and inventive songwriter. Spence released his solo album ``Oar,'' an instant and surviving cult classic, in 1968. By 1969, drug and mental problems had forced Spence out of Moby Grape, beginning a long and painful decline which eventually left him homeless in and around the coastal town of Santa Cruz, living on welfare and handouts. Omar Spence, one of Spence's four children, said his father had conquered an addiction to alcohol in recent years, but was unable to defeat a host of medical problems including pneumonia and congestive heart failure. The official cause of his death was listed as lung cancer. Before his death Spence was given a copy of the upcoming tribute album, and Omar Spence said it was playing during his final hour in the Dominican Hospital. ``My dad knew he was good,'' Omar Spence told the Chronicle. ''He was still a star, to the day he died.'' ________________________________________________________________________ -- Jon From c.d.bates at SHU.AC.UK Wed Apr 21 05:10:16 1999 From: c.d.bates at SHU.AC.UK (chris bates) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:10:16 +0100 Subject: HW : HTML e-mails In-Reply-To: Stephan Spiegel's message of "Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:41:44 -0500" Message-ID: Stephan Spiegel writes: > Help! > I keep getting complaints about my "HTML" e-mails. > Look...I have a NEW computer. A K6-2 300Mz. > It has windows 98. I use Outlook Express for sending > mail. I'm not suprised. Most Outlook Express users get complaints when they first start using that program. I'll explain why in a moment... > Only a very few people are complaining about this. Many people are now so frustrated and annoyed by the preponderance of HTML-ised e-mail that they don't bother to complain. It's easier to simply kill-file the offenders. > Could someone either tell me what I'm doing wrong, Yes. By default OE encodes all e-mails inside HTML. There's no reason to do that as e-mail is meant to be a plain text format but software manufacturers like to include *features* simply because they *can*. Inside the OE address book you can set preferences for each address that you use which include, amongst other things, the type of e-mail. Choose plain text if you are sending to a group of people who may not be able to read the HTML. This would obviously include lists such as BOC-L with many readers using many systems. > or tell the people that don't get my e-mails "the way > they like them" to get a new computer!!! Well I can't handle your HTML. My system simply throws it away. Maybe I should upgrade? After all the PII 300MHz box on my desk must be all of 6 months old now. This has nothing to do with HARDWARE. It's a software problem and it is your software that is causing it. BTW I use mostly GNU tools running on a Linux kernel and read e-mail using the gnus mode of emacs. > I've gone over all the possible settings in Outlook Express > and have not seen anything pertaining to "type" of e-mail. Look again. It's there (but hidden). The great Seattle Satan would like us all to do things in non-standard ways. > So again, either help me fix this "problem" or just So polite! Thank you for asking nicely. In future RTFM before blaming everyone else. And in case you wondered (and I bet you hadn't) this is what you've been sending out... > ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BE8B5D.70922D40 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > -- Chris Bates Lecturer School of Computing and Management Sciences Sheffield Hallam University c.d.bates at shu.ac.uk From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Apr 21 05:31:28 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:31:28 +0100 Subject: HW: Lyrics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >To those in the vicinity of Derby (and there must be, ooh, three of us >now): at the Vic (opp. the train station) on Saturday night there'll be a >bit of a 60s psych nite happening. Bands playing will be The Screaming Mad no there won't; i've just heard that its been cancelled. Bastard bastard bastard. a From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Apr 21 05:40:10 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:40:10 +0100 Subject: HW: HTML e-mails Message-ID: On tis 20 apr 1999 23.39 -0400 "Eric Siegerman" wrote: > Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >> >>I use Outlook Express for sending mail. >> >> >> Ah! I think I see your problem ... >> >> ;) > > Much as I yearn to agree with you :-), I don't think this one's > solely Gates's fault. Netscape and Eudora are just as bad. Oh, > and Lotus Notes, too. *sigh* Well, that's why I avoid those (though I occasionally fall back on Eudora Light when there's no other choice). It'd be nice if one could rely on a higher average tech level--then I could send characters outside the basic US ASCII more easily, which would be a major boon. But it'll have to wait ... > Indeed, considering the form of the quoted material, I'd say the > infiltration's pretty much complete :-) In this context, I couldn't resist ;) >> I generally avoid web >> pages with lots of "toys" as well. >> It's the old "signal-to-noise" thing! > > I hope you're willing to make an exception for Spirit of the > P/Age. The signal *is* the noise... Understood, though in such cases I'm usually more worried that my browser/machine will crash! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Apr 21 06:10:59 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:10:59 +0100 Subject: HW: Lyrics Message-ID: I remember being struck by the name "Earth Ritual" as a counterpart to _Space Ritual_, and it immediately conjured up all kinds of cool ideas about ley lines and stone circles. The marvelous world of popular metaphysics! Plus there's that cool new book by Julian Cope. And as many SF and mythological tie-ins as you want. Very British, but there's analogous stuff in various Asian, South American, etc. cultures, so one can think globally and act locally ... or vice versa ... or whatever. Anyway, _Space Ritual_ was for "out there", so an "in here" would be complementary. Slightly shifting, Neal Stephenson would be an appropriate sort of author, methinks. I think he's rather into more extreme kinds of metal, but there plenty of random eco-, anarcho-, cyber- wossnames in there (and he likes Macs ;) I also agree that a _Star Trek_ con might not be my first choice of a place to see HW, though I know the band are big fans of the show. I've always thought of Hawkwind as operating in a giant space-opera neverneverland, shifting easily from sci-fi to fantasy to reality, though mostly somewhere indefinable. After I scared up a Hawkwind T-shirt for the first time in the early 90s I used to wear it religiously to cons, and people of all ages kept showing up and saying, "Hawkwind! Are they still going? Where can I get their albums? I found a used copy of _Space Ritual_ last month and it only cost 25 bucks!" Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET Wed Apr 21 06:14:16 1999 From: spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET (Stephan Spiegel) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 05:14:16 -0500 Subject: HW : Apology Message-ID: Just wanted to say I'm sorry for my "attitude" yesterday. It's been crazy around here lately, and I've been a little on edge, both with the work load at work, and at home. I don't know which "job" is more taxing ! ! ! No Hard Feelings.... Stephan. From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Wed Apr 21 07:47:04 1999 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 04:47:04 -0700 Subject: HW : HTML e-mails In-Reply-To: <005701be8b8f$61fb5cc0$0bf7050c@hawkwind> Message-ID: > ....well.....maybe I'm not too crazy about HW > mixing in "ray-gay" reagae? type music with the space music on > the latest IYA. I can't stand ray-gay to begin with, let alone mixing it > into HW. I mean what's next? Country music twang/Space Music? > Let's keep it all 100% Space!!! Once again, THANKS!!! > > Hawkman Country music twang/Space Music isn't next, it's been done many years ago! Just listen to "Came Home" off Anthology (or many other comps). Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Wed Apr 21 08:05:33 1999 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 05:05:33 -0700 Subject: HW : HTML e-mails In-Reply-To: <001f01be8b87$5ff52620$0bf7050c@hawkwind> Message-ID: > I keep getting complaints about my "HTML" e-mails. >Look...I have a NEW computer. A K6-2 300Mz. >It has windows 98. I use Outlook Express for sending >mail. > > >Could someone either tell me what I'm doing wrong, >or tell the people that don't get my e-mails "the way >they like them" to get a new computer!!! > > >Thanks, >Hawkman O.K. I volunteer to do your second suggestion. As an employee of Intel, I say: Everybody! Get a new computer! Not just every few years, but every time we put out a new processor. All of you, especially Mr. "AMD K6-2 300MHz", go out right now and get a Pentium III 550MHz system. Do it! So what if food or housing or your children's education come first, do it now. Hurry! 600MHz systems are only a few months away. Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Wed Apr 21 08:50:24 1999 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 08:50:24 -0400 Subject: HW: Lyrics Message-ID: > I also agree that a _Star Trek_ con might not be my first > choice of a place to see HW, though I know the band are big fans > of the show. I've always thought of Hawkwind as operating in > a giant space-opera neverneverland, shifting easily from sci-fi > to fantasy to reality, though mostly somewhere indefinable. > Be kinda interesting to see HW on the Promenade (sp?) on DS9 so day. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Apr 21 09:18:32 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:18:32 +0100 Subject: HW: HTML e-mails In-Reply-To: <47811.3133680010@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > I hope you're willing to make an exception for Spirit of the > > P/Age. The signal *is* the noise... > > Understood, though in such cases I'm usually more worried > that my browser/machine will crash! In Cnut's defence, my browser is antiquated old etscape 2 and it tends to crash at the slightest provocation - it has no problem with Knut's page. Is he still on the list, d'you know? Yours, Jon From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Apr 21 09:22:23 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:22:23 +0100 Subject: HW: Lyrics In-Reply-To: <159042.3133681859@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > I remember being struck by the name "Earth Ritual" as a > counterpart to _Space Ritual_, and it immediately conjured up > all kinds of cool ideas about ley lines and stone circles. > The marvelous world of popular metaphysics! Plus there's that > cool new book by Julian Cope. And as many SF and mythological > tie-ins as you want. Very British, but there's analogous stuff > in various Asian, South American, etc. cultures, so one can > think globally and act locally ... or vice versa ... or whatever. > > Anyway, _Space Ritual_ was for "out there", so an "in here" > would be complementary. Hmmm... though the idea you outline I grant you is cool, it sounds slightly like the cover of 'Space Bandits', you know? I think, given Brock's recent tendency to stick exclusively to songs about 'down here', the sooner they can be forced back 'out there' the better it'll be for the state of interstellar travel world-wide :-) ObCD: Pink Floyd - _Atom Heart Mother_ 'Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast' From mordru at FLITE.NET Wed Apr 21 09:25:54 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:25:54 -0400 Subject: HW : HTML e-mails Message-ID: >O.K. I volunteer to do your second suggestion. As an employee of Intel, I >say: Everybody! Get a new computer! Not just every few years, but every >time we put out a new processor. All of you, especially Mr. "AMD K6-2 >300MHz", go out right now and get a Pentium III 550MHz system. Do it! So >what if food or housing or your children's education come first, do it now. >Hurry! 600MHz systems are only a few months away. Well, if ya'd let us overclock them like we can the cheap ones when we cool them (I have a tube running from my freezer into my case) we might do that... ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From sprawl at BBOARD.COM Wed Apr 21 09:24:51 1999 From: sprawl at BBOARD.COM (Sprawl) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:24:51 -0400 Subject: HW : HTML e-mails Message-ID: > > I keep getting complaints about my "HTML" e-mails. > >Look...I have a NEW computer. A K6-2 300Mz. > >It has windows 98. I use Outlook Express for sending > >mail. > > > > > >Could someone either tell me what I'm doing wrong, > >or tell the people that don't get my e-mails "the way > >they like them" to get a new computer!!! > > > > > >Thanks, > > The List-admin has dis-allowed html postings. Not only that, but they are very difficult to reply to. New computers have nothing to do with it. I personally do not care how you post, but the network admin (the guys who have power to force the list admin to shut down the list,) posted a message less than a month ago stating "No HTML." So... to turn off HTML in your posts, Click tools, then options, then the send tab. Look at the bottom. There are two options boxes, one for News posting, one for mail. Check the boxes that say "plain text." That will do it. Thanks, HM. From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Apr 21 10:37:24 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:37:24 EDT Subject: HW : Apology Message-ID: In a message dated 4/21/99 6:14:14 AM, spiegel at INTPLSRV.NET writes: <> well, you just better watch it there pal, cause aint nobody round here packin' an "attitude"....... BWAHHH-HA-HAAAAA! GRIN UPON GRIN SEE ME GRINNING? YOU NO WORRY BOUT DESE TINGS, 'Kay? ^_~ "<>" larry b From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Apr 21 11:25:43 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 16:25:43 +0100 Subject: OFF: Patti Smith Message-ID: I expect there'll be a few up for Patti Smith at the Forum, London, Thu 1st and Fri 2nd July. She was brilliant last time she was here! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Apr 21 13:07:23 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 18:07:23 +0100 Subject: HW: vague HW connections? Message-ID: hi, just wondering if any of our scandinavian pals have any clues as to the following band (the info was part of an ad for a Swedish disc shop named Beluga): "The Silvermachine - The Right Guy,(7")(Swingin?Zombie) # cool swedish band, that are almost the house band at that Eldorado club (Hellacopters-where the action is) so they've got to be good, right!" well i think we can maybe all spot the HW connection in the band name, but does anyone know what they sound like? andrew From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 21 13:36:39 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 18:36:39 +0100 Subject: HW: Lyrics In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:10:59 +0100 Message-ID: Just a thought on lyrics in that IMO it takes a rather special type of mind to write lyrics that are succinct and yet imply something fundamentally important or complex and still fit into a some kind of rhythmic beat or a piece of lyrical music - it's not something I would like to have to do! Bob Calvert certainly had the skill - anyone who can condense the entirety of Asimov's "I Robot" series into just 2 lines of text "You'd hold the whole world in your metal claws / If it wasn't for the three laws, of Robotics" rates as an absolute genius to me! But perhaps I'm just easily satisfied. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Apr 21 17:11:18 1999 From: brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Brian Coulthard) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 22:11:18 +0100 Subject: HW Stars and Garters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello all I was toying with the idea of going to see Beduion in Manchester at the stars and Garters Does anyone know where it is or a nice easy way to get to it. Totally unrelated to that I went see a band at our local club and decided to raise the tone a bit and give the fellow gig goers a treat and wear a Hawkwind tee shirt I wore my favourite, the tie dye Space Bandits shirt. Do any other of you have particular favourite shirts. As a post script some theiving devils nicked the bands guitars before they went on stage so they didn`t play in a cruel twist of fate the bands name was Under Lock and Key Brian From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Apr 21 17:01:20 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 22:01:20 +0100 Subject: OFF: My life is complete. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I got a Reprise '68 original Electric Prunes "Mass In F Minor" today. I've wanted this since 1977. The only thing I ever remember wanting earlier than that, was a piece of Lego with "Fire Station" on the side. -- Jon It has a picture of Tom Lehrer inside, even. I even know what Tom Lehrer looks like at last. If I never post again, you know why. From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Apr 21 19:19:08 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 00:19:08 +0100 Subject: OFF: My life is complete. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 22:01 21/04/99 +0100, Jon wrote: >I got a Reprise '68 original Electric Prunes "Mass In F Minor" today. > >I've wanted this since 1977. > >The only thing I ever remember wanting earlier than that, was a piece of >Lego with "Fire Station" on the side. >-- Win some lose some huh? I too was saddened by Skip's Departure, but I'm very happy for your new arrival... >Jon >It has a picture of Tom Lehrer inside, even. >I even know what Tom Lehrer looks like at last. >If I never post again, you know why. You'll have ben arrested for "Poisoning Pigeons In The Park" *g* ChrisW Free your mind & watch your ass! From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Wed Apr 21 19:37:56 1999 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:37:56 EDT Subject: Fwd: Hawkwind Festival News Message-ID: this is an email that I received today. sorry if it's already been posted, I haven't been reading much mail lately. bob -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: ANDREW GARIBALDI Subject: Hawkwind Festival News Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 21:38:32 -0700 Size: 1801 URL: From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Apr 21 20:23:10 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:23:10 EDT Subject: HW : HTML e-mails Message-ID: In a message dated 4/21/99 7:47:23 AM, novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM writes: <> yes indeed, and methinks THE BYRDS done did it ^_~ "<>" From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Apr 21 20:29:33 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 01:29:33 +0100 Subject: Review: Bedouin in Cambridge Message-ID: So Bedouin rocked a bit, eh? Post-gig, I was informed by the Cambridge Rock Society contingent who attended (and there were many present) that I _had_ to write a review. "Why? Nearly everyone I know was at the gig!?" "Because you always do!" And I may as well take up bandwidth on other lists as well .... Yes, this was the long-awaited return of Bedouin to Cambridge. As Shaun said, rounding up to the bar _apres rock_: "So why didn't you just _say_ that Bedouin are the band led by an insane ex-Hawkwind bass player who is _not_ a_little_ influenced by Lemmy? That would have explained everything!" Oh--I thought I had :) There was a lot riding on this gig. I'd done my best to convince everyone I know that they *MUST*SEE*THIS*BAND*. Spacey: like the Veil Nebula. Heavy: Like a black hole on speed. Loud: Like the pushing the button on the last of the red hot suns. Oh, yes ... in space they _can_ hear you _rock_ ... Luckily, term has just started at the university here, and people were cruising into the Boat Race (our pub-sized venue) a little after eight. We were a bit worried, as there was no sign of a band; only a synth and a lonely bass drum sitting on stage. No matter. Beer was acquired, consumed, repeat, and all the while more friends and relations drifted in. We were beginning to become more seriously alarmed, but perhaps a bit after nine the band came rushing in and hurled equipment onstage. Good. I hadn't just dragged everyone down here for nothing. Alan checked the bass was working, and a ruinous noise rocketed out of his amp to roll up and down the fretboard before trailing off in searing feedback. Looks were exchanged. Grins were cracked. This boded well. I had promised Jim Lascko to deliver Alan a message, but it was clear things were a bit manic, so I figured it could wait until post-gig. I checked out the "toy stall", but there wasn't too much. Lots of flyers, some random CDs--no T-shirts, alas, as they could have sold some (instead, everyone's money got ploughed back into beer, I think!). No video from the London gig last autumn, as they guy producing it apparently sodded off on holiday right before the tour. And, of course, still no real album--though the word from Alan is that EMI Germany are making interested noises. No fools they ... So without too much further ado, Bedouin set up, cranked up, and took off! There had been no real soundcheck, so the sound started out a bit iffy, but in the event most of it was coming straight out of the amps anyway. With the vocals brought up a bit to compensate, everything sorted itself out in short order, though Alan asked for more bass in his monitors on occasion. There was a *lot* of bass going on. It's not exactly news to say Alan has taken a page out of Lemmy's book for approach. I mean, the man decided to play bass after hearing Lemmy's solo on "Time We Left" off of _Doremi Fasol Latido_ waaaaay back when. And I can't fault the choice. So: massive bass-in-yer-face assault from Alan. No one is going to confuse Danny Thompson, Jr. with Simon King or Richard Chadwick (or Al Bouchard :), but he holds things down solidly enough on the percussion end. Sean Massey provides a good complement to Alan, with lazy, loping, effects-drenched guitar lines weaving around in a hashishin kind of way over the warp-core detonation of the bass. There was a lot of new material. They actually started with something I didn't recognize. Heads were nodding, feet were tapping. Then Bedouin fired off into "Queen of the Night" (I think) and the hair starting flying, people were grooving. Ohhhhhh yeah. There were bunch of other new tracks, and some subtle little additions to beef up the old ones. Lots off of Alan's _Bedouin_ solo album. Also the very cool remake of "Wings" (which blows away the _Space Bandits_ version), "Sword of the East" (introduced as "Sean's Trouser Snake" :) ... "Sputnik Stan", of course--one of Alan's best. Fast, heavy, the bass solo went into *hyperspace*. No guitar, just drums and bass--but, man! no weak dance-club music could boldy go where this one went. Insane. Crunching back to the reprise, massive feedback, Alan bounding around the stage, huge drawn out final chords. But there's more. "Chasing the Dragon", for example ("Do you like fast ones?" They do ...) Riff, counter- riff, space, above, beyond ... sundive. Ship : Sun : Boom. No one really seemed to take the end of set that seriously. Just keep playing, guys! 'Cause we all now you're coming back to play: "This one's dedicated to my mum ... it's called 'LSD"!" It is _impressive_ to see this put into the setting of a spontaneous three-piece--and the other Hawkwind escapee-tracks in the set likewise. Not tied to a fairly close arrangement any more, it's fairly clear that the band can spend a lot of time zooming around *inside* the song, twisting it this way and that, more or less as however they feel like at the time. There is a lot _happening_ in hear that you won't hear on the studio recording on Hawkwind's _Electric Teepee_ nor in the live HW rendition from _The Business Trip_. That, and it's louder, heavier, and *burns* on re-entry. After this, people _are_ shouting for more (knowing they aren't already guarenteed to get it) but the lights come up and the house music flicks on and there's no hope. Ah well. But everyone is _well_ pleased (as they should) be, and I'm not beaten up for dragging everyone to a lame gig. Yeah, it rocked a bit, you could say. Yeah, I think some people might just go see them again when Bedouin tour this autumn: they damn well SHOULD :) Postscript: I deliver Jim's message to Alan, who mysteriously recognizes my name from somewhere; darned if I know why. Tania knows him better than I do ;) He explains the delayed start to the gig--the ever-popular van break-down. This, he says, is why they didn't play anything from _Captured Rotation_ (arse!), because they had to cut several numbers to finish by their 11pm cut-off point. (arse!) Several other things already mentioned: autumn UK tour, interest from EMI Germany, lots of mew material. Hopes they can play the States, but is worried about the timing of Space Daze in August, since that's when they'll be trying to sort out gigs for September in the UK and it costs a load to get over to the US for just a one-off. But there will be more European dates as well. After the tour, a Bedouin web page will be going up, and records and stuff will be available through it (theoretically). In summary then: Bedouin came, we saw, everyone rocked. Do what is necessary to see this band. One would be hard-pressed to beat them for psychedelic heavy rock and they put on a damn fine show. In Space We Trust, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Apr 21 20:46:19 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 01:46:19 +0100 Subject: HW : HTML e-mails Message-ID: On ons 21 apr 1999 20.23 +0000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > yes indeed, and methinks THE BYRDS done did it ^_~ Just recently heard their cover of Dylan's "This Wheel's on Fire". Very menacing, very apocalyptic. I liked it :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Apr 21 20:45:39 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:45:39 EDT Subject: OFF: JUST BROWSING, THANKS (today's new toy) Message-ID: In a message dated 4/21/99 9:18:57 AM, jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK writes: << my browser is antiquated old netscape 2 and it tends to crash at the slightest provocation >> so i read that and hop on SHERLOCK and a few minutes later... Netscape 4.08 <<--- this specifically pertains to downloading version 4.08 (duh) DOWNLOAD NETSCAPE <<--- these folks will link you to netscape to determine which browser is best for your machine... dunno if this is the solution to yr. problems but boy, it's been fun to think so, however transiently ^_~ by the way, the brand new INTERNET EXPLORER 5 is out there for free download too. "<>" larry b From joe.e at TELIA.COM Wed Apr 21 23:50:46 1999 From: joe.e at TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 05:50:46 +0200 Subject: HW: vague HW connections? Message-ID: At 18:07 1999-04-21 +0100, you wrote: >hi, > >just wondering if any of our scandinavian pals have any clues as to the >following band (the info was part of an ad for a Swedish disc shop named >Beluga): > >"The Silvermachine - The Right Guy,(7")(Swingin?Zombie) # >cool swedish band, that are almost the house band at that Eldorado club >(Hellacopters-where the action is) so they've got to be good, right!" > >well i think we can maybe all spot the HW connection in the band name, but >does anyone know what they sound like? I've seen a band called Silver Machine. The music was not connected at all to what this list is about, so I had a beer with a former listmember, swapped hw cd:s and went home, bored to death. And quite disappointed, too. Don't know if this is the same attraction, though. >andrew .joe From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Apr 22 01:08:56 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 01:08:56 EDT Subject: OFF! Fwd: New Virus Warning Again! Message-ID: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Kimfox123 at aol.com Subject: Fwd: New Virus Warning Again! Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 00:22:26 EDT Size: 7076 URL: From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Apr 22 02:09:49 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 02:09:49 EDT Subject: OFF! Fwd: New Virus Warning Again! Message-ID: gee guys, what's w/all the "=OD" stuff on that e-mail i forwarded? considering recent discussions, SOMEONE will know... "<>" From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Thu Apr 22 02:52:01 1999 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:52:01 +0900 Subject: OFF! Fwd: New Virus Warning Again! Message-ID: You bin HTML'd Larry! You've also been duped I think. E-mail can't carry a virus. Only executables like .exe or macros in documents and spreadsheets can actually get inside your computer and trash it. Every now and then someone issues a warning that says "spread this to everyone you know, it will trash your computer!" Result .... everyone gets seventy kazillion copies of the same mail which crashes the mail server and does amazing things to your free hard disk space! Oh the inventiveness of bored teenagers :-) (Was I ever that bad, Mum? Mum?? Why are you staring at me like that?) DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > gee guys, what's w/all the "=OD" stuff on that e-mail i forwarded? > considering recent discussions, SOMEONE will know... > > "<>" -- Dave Greenhalgh ICQ#33513470 From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Apr 22 03:22:53 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 03:22:53 EDT Subject: OFF! Fwd: New Virus Warning Again! Message-ID: In a message dated 4/22/99 2:49:54 AM, d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET writes: << You've also been duped I think. E-mail can't carry a virus. Only executables like .exe or macros in documents and spreadsheets can actually get inside your computer and trash it. >> yes, yes, i can be fooled. cant deny it...i live it every day. "<>" From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Apr 22 05:25:52 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:25:52 +0100 Subject: Review: Bedouin in Cambridge In-Reply-To: <1547739.3133733373@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: Carl and folks: set-list as I have it went: ? (something new that went very fast) Vision Quest (this was ace) Demons in Denial, with either a new end section (Rock Palace later on had one of these too, very good and heavy) or another new number sounding in the same vein as Sand Devil Rock Palace Wings (this was also very good indeed) Sputnik Stan (this was insane - Alan's bass solo actually rather outdid Lemmy in 'Time We Left' - I know it's sacrilege but it seemed that way to me, what can I say... ) "Sean's Trouser Beast, I mean, Sword of the East" (very good also, Sean's guitar work showed up beautifully though the song was a bit stop- start), wandering into a long jam which showed up the Hawkwind influences *very* clearly Chasing the Dragon - LSD (again with an immense solo section which went free-form jam for a good few minutes before digging up the end of the 'Electric Tepee' version from some asteroid they'd passed on the way) They were in very good form! Danny's drumming can't be faulted, particularly when you're watching and he's clearly just enjoying himself far too much not to try and fling in extra fills; Sean's guitar work is individual and takes leaves out of Mr. Brock's and Mr. Rudolph's books, as well as others; he just needs to be louder. And of course, Alan, well. One of my friends who'd not seen them before said he spent some time during the solo in 'Sputnik Stan' (during which Sean put down his guitar and went and sat behind the stack to have a fag) looking for the second guitarist... His complaint was that Alan was so much doing solo stuff that he felt they lost a bit of rhythm, and a couple of the fast ones did suffer that way a bit perhaps, but when the high points were as high as they were, you don't quarrel! See them quickly while it's still cheap! Yours, Jon From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Apr 22 05:30:39 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:30:39 +0100 Subject: OFF: JUST BROWSING, THANKS (today's new toy) In-Reply-To: <4e1b66de.244fcb33@aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Apr 1999 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 4/21/99 9:18:57 AM, jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK writes: > > dunno if this is the solution to yr. problems but boy, it's been fun to think > so, however transiently ^_~ Yeah, I've been given a site I can get Netscape 4 for Win 3.1 (which I use, and Netscape themselves don't support any more :-|), but I just haven't got round to it yet; had a lot to deal with just lately. I understand it will sort things out a lot, though my graphics card is still so awful it's almost not worth the bother. But I was just commending Knut's site for being accessible to those with such old gear as myself and still so impressive... > by the way, the brand new INTERNET EXPLORER 5 is out there for free download > too. Gack! Microsoft! Oh, by the way, non-Microsoft fans may like www.dumbentia.com (or possibly .org) - some very nice posters for the campaign against the Devil Gates :-) Yours, Jon From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 22 05:36:01 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:36:01 +0100 Subject: OFF! Fwd: New Virus Warning Again! Message-ID: Yeah, watch out for the "Good Times" virus too ... ;) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 22 05:44:05 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:44:05 +0100 Subject: OFF: JUST BROWSING, THANKS (today's new toy) Message-ID: Besides, convincing Netscape versions later that 3.x to display Icelandic characters on the Mac is virtually impossible so I'm sticking with it for the time being. Priorities, priorities. It's very, *very*, rare that the info I need cannot be delivered either in plain text or (at most) simple gif/jpeg images! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Apr 22 05:45:50 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:45:50 +0100 Subject: Interesting project In-Reply-To: <199904201021.LAA08195@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Apr 1999, M Holmes wrote: > > Apparently NASA have decided to > > send their next `interferometry mission' (a project aimed at finding > > Earth-sized planets revolving around nearby suns) to this Andromedae. > > So we'll get the results in a few thousand years? Maybe they're just > going to point some instruments in that direction? Well, this puzzled me too, since the Andromeda galaxy is thousands of years away, but I don't actually know how far the stars that make up the _constellation_ are. Anyhow, I know very little about NASA's current work, but an astronomer friend her at Cambridge informs me that interferometer work is done by analysing light sources, and requires no satellites - I thought this was spectroscopy but she tells me this is related but different. > One thing I did wonder is whether having two Jupiter sized planets in a > system would be good for rock type planets since there'd be considerably > more gravitational perturbations in such a system. I'm too lazy to do > the math though. We used to have professional astronomers on this list > (Hey McIntyre, you still out there?). Maybe they could comment. No astronomer I, but although Jupiter is massive, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune are no tiddlers. I'm not sure the effects on the system would be any more severe - wouldn't there be an equivalent sort of calm zone such as we have inside the giants' orbits? Proceeding from a basis of no meaningful knowledge here, but very interested... Yours, Jon NP: Electric Wizard - 'Electric Wizard' ('Mountains of Mars') From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 22 05:54:18 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:54:18 +0100 Subject: Interesting project In-Reply-To: Jonathan Jarrett's message of Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:45:50 +0100 Message-ID: Jonathan Jarrett writes: > On Tue, 20 Apr 1999, M Holmes wrote: > > > > Apparently NASA have decided to > > > send their next `interferometry mission' (a project aimed at finding > > > Earth-sized planets revolving around nearby suns) to this Andromedae. > > > > So we'll get the results in a few thousand years? Maybe they're just > > going to point some instruments in that direction? > > Well, this puzzled me too, since the Andromeda galaxy is thousands > of years away, but I don't actually know how far the stars that make up > the _constellation_ are. I believe the star in question is around 45 light years away. > Anyhow, I know very little about NASA's current work, but an > astronomer friend her at Cambridge informs me that interferometer work is > done by analysing light sources, and requires no satellites - I thought > this was spectroscopy but she tells me this is related but different. I suspect they're talking about wide baseline interferometry. This is where you get two or more instruments and by coordinating their input through computer it's kinda like having a telescope with that size of lens but without the implied light collection that goes with it. Obviously there's a limit (about 8,000 miles) as to how far you can get surface instruments apart hence putting 'em in orbit. It's not my area, but my suspicion is that the wider apart the instruments, the better the available discrimination and that they plan to try to discriminate any light (or other radiation perhaps) from the star from light from the planets. That might give 'em a crack at spotting rock planets. > > One thing I did wonder is whether having two Jupiter sized planets in a > > system would be good for rock type planets since there'd be considerably > > more gravitational perturbations in such a system. I'm too lazy to do > > the math though. We used to have professional astronomers on this list > > (Hey McIntyre, you still out there?). Maybe they could comment. > > No astronomer I, but although Jupiter is massive, Saturn, Uranus > and Neptune are no tiddlers. I'm not sure the effects on the system would > be any more severe - wouldn't there be an equivalent sort of calm zone > such as we have inside the giants' orbits? I have to confess that I just don't know. On the other hand I do take "Spaceflight", the magazine of the British Interplanetary Society, so I could keep an eye out for articles on this. > Jon FoFP From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Thu Apr 22 05:41:15 1999 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:41:15 +1000 Subject: HW Stars and Garters Message-ID: Brian Coulthard wrote: > Do > any other of you have particular favourite shirts. Mind would certainly have to be my New Worlds Fair t-shirt - showing off that nice album cover. A friend made it for me - sadly there are no actual commercial versions of the shirt. Would be nice if there were... - Max From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Thu Apr 22 05:56:21 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Gekke Henkie) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:56:21 +0200 Subject: OFF: JUST BROWSING, THANKS (today's new toy) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Op 22 Apr 99, om 10:30, Jonathan Jarrett schreef: > > Yeah, I've been given a site I can get Netscape 4 for Win 3.1 > (which I use, and Netscape themselves don't support any more :-|) You might try Opera. It has a nice browser, even for win 3.11. It is small_in size_but very reliable. The only con is that it costs $35_or there about_ You can find it at http://www.operasoftware.com. [snip] > > by the way, the brand new INTERNET EXPLORER 5 is out there for free download > > too. No! Not again installing and having your coplete layout of your computer changed with all kind_usefull_gimmicks. --BArt From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 22 05:57:07 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:57:07 +0100 Subject: Review: Bedouin in Cambridge Message-ID: On tor 22 apr 1999 10.25 +0100 "Jonathan Jarrett" wrote: > Sputnik Stan (this was insane - Alan's bass solo actually rather > outdid Lemmy in 'Time We Left' - I know it's sacrilege but it seemed that > way to me, what can I say... ) Ooooh, treading dangerous ground :) Alan was essentially on his own here, and I think Lemmy benefited from having the rest of the band crunching along underneath him. So for overall effect, it's difficult to say. It was definitely cruising at a similar altitude, though ..... :) > "Sean's Trouser Beast, I mean, Sword of the East" Ah, yes. I got the dodgy joke, and misquoted the pun! Must have more coffee .... > Sean's guitar work is > individual and takes leaves out of Mr. Brock's and Mr. Rudolph's books, as > well as others; he just needs to be louder. ? But: > And of course, Alan, well. Ah, well, that will be OK then! > One > of my friends who'd not seen them before said he spent some time during > the solo in 'Sputnik Stan' (during which Sean put down his guitar and went > and sat behind the stack to have a fag) looking for the second > guitarist... His complaint was that Alan was so much doing solo stuff that > he felt they lost a bit of rhythm, and a couple of the fast ones did > suffer that way a bit perhaps, but when the high points were as high as > they were, you don't quarrel! See them quickly while it's still cheap! Yeah, a second guitarist would be completely superfluous. I mean, Sean is there to add colour and variety to a very long bass solo, in effect ;) I think they'll be hammered into tighter shape on the anvil of touring before long. It worked for Motorhead, in whose path Bedouin are very much tripping along. I am pleased to find that the 5 minute "Bass Junk" track at the end of their little CD-R live album is no more and no less than a "Sputnik Stan" bass solo. Ah, another pun, I see ... :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 22 06:00:20 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:00:20 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: Interesting project Message-ID: On tor 22 apr 1999 10.45 +0100 "Jonathan Jarrett" wrote: > No astronomer I, but although Jupiter is massive, Saturn, Uranus > and Neptune are no tiddlers. I'm not sure the effects on the system would > be any more severe - wouldn't there be an equivalent sort of calm zone > such as we have inside the giants' orbits? On a related notion, I'm sure I once read some SF story about a life-bearing planetoid which was actually the moon of a whacking great gas giant. Well, the reckon a few of our gas giants' moons could have life, theoretically. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 22 06:07:33 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:07:33 +0100 Subject: OFF: JUST BROWSING, THANKS (today's new toy) Message-ID: On tor 22 apr 1999 11.56 +0200 "Gekke Henkie" wrote: > You might try Opera. It has a nice browser, even for win 3.11. It is > small_in size_but very reliable. The only con is that it costs $35_or > there about_ You can find it at http://www.operasoftware.com. As a student who just spent all his remaining money on Bedouin (and beer), it's gotta be _free_ :) (And since I'm at an academic institution, my copy of Netscape is even legally free :) >> by the way, the brand new INTERNET EXPLORER 5 is out there >> for free download too. > > No! Not again installing and having your coplete layout of your > computer changed with all kind_usefull_gimmicks. Do the Mac versions do that as well? I thought only Windoze users suffered from that? Mind you, I've never seen any reason to download IE since I've already _got_ a browser. On another note, I can't say the idea of using a web browser for email much appeals. "Do-it-all" software just feels wrong. I don't like big guitar multi-effects units either :) I prefer a host of little effects pedals. More flexible :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Apr 22 06:06:57 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 06:06:57 EDT Subject: OFF: JUST BROWSING, THANKS (today's new toy) Message-ID: In a message dated 4/22/99 5:56:05 AM, bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL schreefs: <<> > by the way, the brand new INTERNET EXPLORER 5 is out there for free download > > too. No! Not again installing and having your coplete layout of your computer changed with all kind_usefull_gimmicks. >> hmm...wasnt thinking about the evil gates angle, probably should've, but i guess i thought one routinely grabbed browsers as they were "upgraded" and dumped the previous one...perdon my novicedom "<>" From age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Apr 22 05:56:12 1999 From: age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Adrian Parr) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:56:12 +0100 Subject: HW: Latest Gig News Message-ID: Hello Folks Just a quickie to let you know Hawkwind have announced some live shows this Summer. Check them out at: http://www.conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk/hawkwind_gigs.html You'll also find forthcoming gigs by Bedouin, Ozrics, The Moor, Spacehead, Gong and many more on this page. Is this reaching you in plain text or HTML ??? All the best Age Visit the "Hawkeye on Hawkwind" website at: http://www.conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk/index.html From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Apr 22 06:10:55 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:10:55 +0100 Subject: Interesting project In-Reply-To: <199904220954.KAA02017@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, M Holmes wrote: > I have to confess that I just don't know. On the other hand I do take > "Spaceflight", the magazine of the British Interplanetary Society, so I > could keep an eye out for articles on this. The BIS! Did you ever see their moon landing project? Has a lander almost the same as the Lunar Module they used in the Apollo missions - thirty years before them... Yours, Jon From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Apr 22 06:16:49 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:16:49 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: Interesting project In-Reply-To: <114960.3133767620@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On a related notion, I'm sure I once read some SF story > about a life-bearing planetoid which was actually the moon of > a whacking great gas giant. Well, the reckon a few of our > gas giants' moons could have life, theoretically. Well, it's been suggested that Titan, moon of Saturn, could support life, being about Earth's size :-) But though the atmosphere being methane isn't so much of a problem (nobody light a match!) the cold I gather is... Perhaps just one match then... Yours, Jon From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 22 06:27:28 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:27:28 +0100 Subject: HW: Latest Gig News Message-ID: On tor 22 apr 1999 10.56 +0100 "Adrian Parr" wrote: > Is this reaching you in plain text or HTML ??? Fear not! Plain text ;) Cheers, Carl ObCD: Bedouin, "Wings" -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 22 06:31:34 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:31:34 +0100 Subject: Interesting project In-Reply-To: Jonathan Jarrett's message of Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:10:55 +0100 Message-ID: Jonathan Jarrett writes: > On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, M Holmes wrote: > > > I do take "Spaceflight", the magazine of the British Interplanetary > > Society, so I could keep an eye out for articles on this. > The BIS! Did you ever see their moon landing project? Has a lander > almost the same as the Lunar Module they used in the Apollo missions - > thirty years before them... Yours, I must have missed that. Maybe I should peruse some back issues. Their magazine is actually very good. Concise articles and nice glossy piccies. I'd definitely recommend it to those interested in space exploration and astronomy. > Jon FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 22 06:36:20 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:36:20 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: Interesting project In-Reply-To: Jonathan Jarrett's message of Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:16:49 +0100 Message-ID: Jonathan Jarrett writes: > On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > > On a related notion, I'm sure I once read some SF story > > about a life-bearing planetoid which was actually the moon of > > a whacking great gas giant. Well, the reckon a few of our > > gas giants' moons could have life, theoretically. > > Well, it's been suggested that Titan, moon of Saturn, could > support life, being about Earth's size :-) But though the atmosphere being > methane isn't so much of a problem (nobody light a match!) the cold I > gather is I have a print of an SF artist's (whose name escapes me temporarily) "Geyser on Titan" up in my living room. The prime candidates for life are probably Mars and Europa. Mars is thought to have permafrost water under the surface, at least near the poles and was warmer in earlier periods and so may have at least some fossils of life. It now looks likely that there may be some water under the very thick ice sheets of Europa (Heating due to gravitational stress in the Jupiter system) and so there's some chance of life down there. It'd certainly be quite amazing to discover extraterrestrial life. Even more so were it not DNA or RNA based. FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 22 06:47:53 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:47:53 +0100 Subject: OFF: JUST BROWSING, THANKS (today's new toy) Message-ID: On tor 22 apr 1999 06.06 +0000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > but i > guess i thought one routinely grabbed browsers as they were "upgraded" and > dumped the previous one.. Well, in an ideal world, yes. Where software makers could be relied on to produce a new version which really _was_ an improvement and in which I had enough money to shell out for new hardware to keep up with the software ;) Software and hardware advances drive each other. Faster, cleverer machine mean one can run bigger, fancier apps, which mean people want faster, cleverer machines which then .... Market heaven! Developers--especially web developers--who are equipt with all the latest and fastest often forget that there are a _lot_ of obsolete machines out there being used by institutions (schools, etc.) and people who can't afford to (or don't care enough) to upgrade their stuff so regularly (especially outside of the States). I am regularly amused by the steady trickle of email complimenting me on having a web page without snazzy browser-crashing gimmicks (my most advanced stuff is transparent gifs and tables :) And there's the "right tool for the job" issue. I still use Mac Word 5.1 for word-processing, simply because I don't need anything fancier. It's quite small and fast by today's standards! (Being back from when Microsoft was still making relatively decent software). After all, you can still make a damn fine guitar amp with obsolete stuff like vacumn tubes :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From sprawl at BBOARD.COM Thu Apr 22 08:35:24 1999 From: sprawl at BBOARD.COM (Sprawl) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 08:35:24 -0400 Subject: OFF: JUST BROWSING, THANKS (today's new toy) Message-ID: The IE 5 is fine. There are some cool tools you can plug into it. What sucks is what they have doen to Outlook Express. They made it significantly WORSE, to the point that I am considering going back to Netscape.. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 6:06 AM Subject: Re: OFF: JUST BROWSING, THANKS (today's new toy) > In a message dated 4/22/99 5:56:05 AM, bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL schreefs: > > <<> > by the way, the brand new INTERNET EXPLORER 5 is out there for free > download > > > too. > > No! Not again installing and having your coplete layout of your > computer changed with all kind_usefull_gimmicks. > >> > > hmm...wasnt thinking about the evil gates angle, probably should've, but i > guess i thought one routinely grabbed browsers as they were "upgraded" and > dumped the previous one...perdon my novicedom > > "<>" From sprawl at BBOARD.COM Thu Apr 22 08:39:02 1999 From: sprawl at BBOARD.COM (Sprawl) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 08:39:02 -0400 Subject: OFF! Fwd: New Virus Warning Again! Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 2:09 AM Subject: Re: OFF! Fwd: New Virus Warning Again! > gee guys, what's w/all the "=OD" stuff on that e-mail i forwarded? Looks like a big-nosed guy, smiling. Is that what you were asking? BTW- when I looked at the forwarded e-mail, it was empty, except for two words.. Read This. > considering recent discussions, SOMEONE will know... > > "<>" From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Thu Apr 22 09:08:55 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Gekke Henkie) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:08:55 +0200 Subject: OFF: JUST BROWSING, THANKS (today's new toy) In-Reply-To: <004e01be8cbc$9b347840$7da58fcc@random> Message-ID: Op 22 Apr 99, om 8:35, Sprawl schreef: > The IE 5 is fine. There are some cool tools you can plug into it. I must say I haven't tried it yet. Tried IE4, but went back to Netscape. Now I'm considering Opera. It's small_download size just above 1.3 M_and you browsing is is faster. > What sucks is what they have doen to Outlook Express. They made it > significantly > WORSE, to the point that I am considering going back to Netscape.. I use Pegasus Mail 3.2 for my email_no trouble with melissa and the like this way_never liked Outlook anyway. The features for storing messages, filters etc. are to limited. --BArt From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 22 09:40:13 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:40:13 +0100 Subject: OFF: JUST BROWSING, THANKS (today's new toy) Message-ID: On tor 22 apr 1999 15.08 +0200 "Gekke Henkie" wrote: > I use Pegasus Mail 3.2 for my email_no trouble with melissa and > the like this way_never liked Outlook anyway. The features for > storing messages, filters etc. are to limited. Having a deep suspicion of using the built-in system apps, I'm still amazed that anyone uses Outlook. I mean, I've seen it and its rubbish :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Apr 22 10:55:44 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:55:44 -0400 Subject: OFF: The "=0D" stuff. In-Reply-To: <5d5ad947.2450172d@aol.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Apr 1999 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: =>gee guys, what's w/all the "=OD" stuff on that e-mail i forwarded? =>considering recent discussions, SOMEONE will know... Larry, this probably won't mean too much, but the "=0D" on the end of lines (as well as "=20") is a tell-tale sign of a message sent encoded as "quoted-printable" (as opposed to the "base-64" "gibberish"). "=NN" is a way of quoting non-printing and characters that might otherwise be stripped from a message (e.g., spaces on the ends of lines) in transmission. NN is a hexadecimal number. OD corresponds to the ASCII character "CR" or carriage return. (20H is the ASCII space character.) Conventionally, lines of text are terminated using a "LF" or line feed character. M$ uses CR+LF to denote breaks between lines of text. So, I'm guessing the mail was composed on a M$ system, and the CRs are being preserved so other M$ systems will get the line breaks correct. BTW, quoted-printable is an encoding scheme used in MIME mail messages. Aren't you glad you asked? ;-) Cheers, Paul. NP: Gov't Mule, Wetlands, NYC, 12/31/96 From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Apr 22 11:08:48 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:08:48 EDT Subject: OFF: "=0D" 'd on life itself ^_~ ouch! Message-ID: In a message dated 4/22/99 10:56:15 AM, paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU writes: <> to the extent it's destined to linger in my brain, i liked the explanation, thanks! and someone else mentioned not getting the text at all, which must be related to your explanation(s). alrighty then! "<>" From stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM Thu Apr 22 11:37:31 1999 From: stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:37:31 -0400 Subject: HW : HTML e-mails Message-ID: > On ons 21 apr 1999 20.23 +0000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > > yes indeed, and methinks THE BYRDS done did it ^_~ > > Just recently heard their cover of Dylan's "This Wheel's > on Fire". Very menacing, very apocalyptic. I liked it :) > > OK Carl, if you can do a HW style BLANGA version of this then I know I'll buy it for one...... Steve L From robotwarrior at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Apr 22 11:39:11 1999 From: robotwarrior at HOTMAIL.COM (Jeremy Cornell) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 08:39:11 PDT Subject: Heavy Spacerock: BORN to GO - May gigs coming up Message-ID: I was just checking out the new Born to go website and they have a gig calendar page, there are two upcoming gigs: May 6th 10:30pm The Wreck Room, Wallington NJ May 23rd midnight The Spiral, NYC, NY If you haven't seen Born to go, the music is heavy space, monster magnet/motorhead with hawkwind style synths and theremins, their stage show is really wild with lots of Sci-Fi wierdness, lights, smoke, strobes and Robots! Mark these dates down on your calendar now. I think Alien Planetscapes (another great Spacerock band) are supporting them at the Spiral gig. Space On, Jer _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Apr 22 10:39:03 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:39:03 -0400 Subject: HW/OFF: Born to Go/AP Message-ID: Hi Folks... Thought I'd forward this on, for those in the NE. It was posted on 'spacerockers.' Oh, does anyone know where Marc Power is? Electronically-speaking, that is. I haven't heard anything from him on-line in quite a while, and efforts to contact him at his email address have gone unanswered. We (Jerry K. and I) wanted to ask him about the 'Entropy Tango' project he claimed to be working on. Specifically, if MM had any knowledge or participation in said effort. Anybody know? Thanks... Keith H. (FAA) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I was just checking out the new Born to go website and they have a gig calendar page, there are two upcoming gigs: May 6th 10:30pm The Wreck Room, Wallington NJ May 23rd midnight The Spiral, NYC, NY If you haven't seen Born to go, the music is heavy space, monster magnet/motorhead with hawkwind style synths and theremins, their stage show is really wild with lots of Sci-Fi wierdness, lights, smoke, strobes and Robots! Mark these dates down on your calendar now. I think Alien Planetscapes (another great Spacerock band) are supporting them at the Spiral gig. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Apr 22 11:09:29 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:09:29 -0400 Subject: HW/OFF: Touring Galore Message-ID: OK folks...for some reason, this last year of the millenium is turning out to be a wonderful bonanza of great tours. Let's get out there and support live music. Somewhere....anywhere. Here's what I know...if there's more, let me know! As always, check your local listings for confirmation! Keith H. (FAA) Monster Magnet presently on US tour supporting Hole & Marilyn Manson soon to tour Europe supporting Metallica? It seems a few headline dates are in the works in between, including 5/4 & 5/5 New York City (Irving Plaza) 5/12 Cleveland (Odeon) perhaps more in between? UPDATE...this now appears to be the full headlining 'tour' between the support role tours. Seems like a rare event to see MM as headliner, though I'm sure that will soon change. May 3 1999 8:00PM TINKS ENTERTAINMENT COMPLEX - SCRANTON PA May 4 1999 7:00PM IRVING PLAZA - NEW YORK NY May 5 1999 7:00PM IRVING PLAZA - NEW YORK NY May 7 1999 7:00PM HARRO EAST BALLROOM - ROCHESTER NY (one of these is May 7 1999 8:00PM SHOWPLACE THEATRE - BUFFALO NY obviously in error) May 8 1999 6:00PM LUPOS - PROVIDENCE RI (that time seems kinda funny) May 11 1999 7:00PM RIVIERA NIGHT CLUB - CHICAGO IL May 12 1999 8:00PM ODEON - CLEVELAND OH May 13 1999 8:00PM CLUTCH CARGOS - PONTIAC MI May 15 1999 4:00PM WRAT FEST, PNC BANK ARTS CENTER - HOLMDEL NJ May 17 1999 7:30PM CHAMELEON CLUB - HARRISBURG PA From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Apr 22 11:15:00 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:15:00 -0400 Subject: HW/OFF: Ozrics tour Message-ID: Update on this one too...Keith H. (FAA) ObCD: On Trial - Head Entrance Ozric Tentacles 5/7 & 5/8 New York City (Wetlands) 5/14 Baltimore (Recher Theatre) 5/15 Philadelphia (Theatre of Living Arts) 5/21 Cleveland (Odeon) many more to come...check http://www.execpc.com/~mwerning/ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ May 7 1999 8:00PM WETLANDS NEW YORK NY May 8 1999 8:00PM WETLANDS NEW YORK NY May 14 1999 Recher Theater Baltimore MD (I assume this is on) May 15 1999 9:00PM THEATRE OF LIVING ARTS PHILADELPHIA PA May 21 1999 9:00PM ODEON CLEVELAND OH May 22 1999 8:00PM MAJESTIC THEATRE DETROIT MI May 26 1999 9:00PM FOX THEATRE & CAFE BOULDER CO From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 22 13:02:03 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:02:03 +0100 Subject: HW: Star Trek Con In-Reply-To: Adrian Parr's message of Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:36:06 +0100 Message-ID: Adrian Parr writes: > For further updates on forthcoming Hawkwind news, gigs and more, then > Visit the "Hawkeye on Hawkwind" website at: > http://www.conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk/index.html Hey Age, I can't get the links from the index page to work when using Netscape 4. FoFP From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Apr 22 13:05:52 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:05:52 EDT Subject: HW/OFF: Touring Galore In-Reply-To: <199904221620.MAA20945@mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: > From: Keith Henderson > Monster Magnet > presently on US tour supporting Hole & Marilyn Manson > soon to tour Europe supporting Metallica? > It seems a few headline dates are in the works in between, including > 5/4 & 5/5 New York City (Irving Plaza) > 5/12 Cleveland (Odeon) > perhaps more in between? > > UPDATE...this now appears to be the full headlining 'tour' between the > support role tours. Seems like a rare event to see MM as headliner, though > I'm sure that will soon change. > May 7 1999 7:00PM HARRO EAST BALLROOM - ROCHESTER NY (one of these is > May 7 1999 8:00PM SHOWPLACE THEATRE - BUFFALO NY obviously in error) Brian, Have you heard about this? I could definitely make a show in Roch., and would very much dig seeing MM... theo From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 22 13:30:49 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:30:49 +0100 Subject: HW/OFF: Born to Go/AP In-Reply-To: Keith Henderson's message of Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:39:03 -0400 Message-ID: Keith Henderson writes: > Hi Folks... > contact him at his email address have gone unanswered. We (Jerry K. and I) > wanted to ask him about the 'Entropy Tango' project he claimed to be working Jerry K......? .....Entropy Tango just curious jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Apr 22 12:46:28 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:46:28 -0400 Subject: HW/OFF: Born to Go/AP Message-ID: Jill pondered... >> contact him at his email address have gone unanswered. We (Jerry K. and I) >> wanted to ask him about the 'Entropy Tango' project he claimed to be working >Jerry K......? > >.....Entropy Tango > >just curious Ha!! I had to think there for a moment. No, I'm afraid Kranitz is not derived from Jerry Cornelius, or even Jhary a Conel (sp?) for that matter. Jerry's the editor of Aural Innovations, the space rock 'zine. He'd be here, but he can't take the daily volume. Keith H. (FAA) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Apr 22 12:50:10 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:50:10 -0400 Subject: HW/OFF: Ozrics tour Message-ID: Oops...I forgot one... >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >May 7 1999 8:00PM WETLANDS NEW YORK NY >May 8 1999 8:00PM WETLANDS NEW YORK NY >May 14 1999 Recher Theater Baltimore MD (I assume this is on) >May 15 1999 9:00PM THEATRE OF LIVING ARTS PHILADELPHIA PA >May 21 1999 9:00PM ODEON CLEVELAND OH >May 22 1999 8:00PM MAJESTIC THEATRE DETROIT MI May 23 1999 SHANK HALL MILWAUKEE WI >May 26 1999 9:00PM FOX THEATRE & CAFE BOULDER CO Keith H. (FAA) From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Thu Apr 22 14:28:01 1999 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:28:01 -0400 Subject: HW/OFF: Touring Galore Message-ID: Keith Henderson listed: >May 7 1999 7:00PM HARRO EAST BALLROOM - ROCHESTER NY (one of these is >May 7 1999 8:00PM SHOWPLACE THEATRE - BUFFALO NY obviously in >error) I can't confirm this either way. I haven't heard anything about it here in Rochester though. The current issue of the local entertainment rag only lists through May 5th. If I hear anything, I'll make sure to post it. This is what Pollstar.com has listed for the Harro East: >05/07/99 Earth Crisis >05/07/99 One King Down Of course, these could end up being openers for MM. Brian From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Apr 22 15:39:41 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:39:41 -0400 Subject: Interesting project Message-ID: >On Tue, 20 Apr 1999, M Holmes wrote: > >> > Apparently NASA have decided to >> > send their next `interferometry mission' (a project aimed at finding >> > Earth-sized planets revolving around nearby suns) to this Andromedae. Always doubt any e-mail claim that starts with "Apparently". Interferometry involves studying the way light (and other EM) interferes with itself. It does not currently involve sending stuff anywhere, other than in orbit to avoid the normal atmospheric interference, I think they were trying to set up a grid of orbiting radio telescopes... I think this is being used to combine observations from a number of them to effectively simulate as if we had a much larger telescope. ============================================ "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Andrew Apold From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Apr 22 16:53:12 1999 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (denizen of chaos) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:53:12 -0500 Subject: HW/OFF: Ozrics tour In-Reply-To: <199904221625.MAA22363@mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Keith Henderson wrote: :Subject: HW/OFF: Ozrics tour : :Update on this one too...Keith H. (FAA) : :ObCD: On Trial - Head Entrance : :Ozric Tentacles :5/7 & 5/8 New York City (Wetlands) :5/14 Baltimore (Recher Theatre) :5/15 Philadelphia (Theatre of Living Arts) :5/21 Cleveland (Odeon) :many more to come...check http://www.execpc.com/~mwerning/ : Is anyone from the list going to the baltimore concert? I'll be in Baltimore that week, and would like to go to the show, but I'll be carless, and would really appreciate a lift to the show. thanks, Arin ---hellhound shelter--------------------------------------------------- the denizen of chaos | denizen at pobox.com aka Arin Komins | http://www.pobox.com/~denizen/ ------------------------------------------------searching for satori--- From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Thu Apr 22 19:05:38 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 00:05:38 +0100 Subject: OFF: My life is complete. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >I got a Reprise '68 original Electric Prunes "Mass In F Minor" today. > You lucky swine! From now on you must remember not to tell us when you leave your house. tell us when you leave your house tell us when you leave your house Nor should you, from now on, ever leave your doors unlocked leave your doors unlocked leave your doors unlocked leave your doors unlocked . And most importantly, do not make your address public knowledge make your address public knowledge make your address public knowledge make your address public knowledge enjoy your new record (brouhahahaha) be seeing you andrew From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Fri Apr 23 07:08:49 1999 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Patrick C.) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 21:08:49 +1000 Subject: Interesting project Message-ID: > From: Andrew A. Apold > Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 5:39 AM > > >On Tue, 20 Apr 1999, M Holmes wrote: > > > >> > Apparently NASA have decided to > >> > send their next `interferometry mission' (a project aimed at finding > >> > Earth-sized planets revolving around nearby suns) to this Andromedae. > > > Always doubt any e-mail claim that starts with "Apparently". > > Interferometry involves studying the way light (and other EM) > interferes with itself. It does > not currently involve sending stuff anywhere, other than in orbit > to avoid the normal atmospheric interference, I think they were > trying to set up a grid of orbiting radio telescopes... > > I think this is being used to combine observations from a number > of them to effectively simulate as if we had a much larger > telescope. Well, to all those people who responded to this email all I can say is that I typed the information directly from the newspaper, and have no formal training in astro-physics. Teaches me for reading this newspaper I guess. (Especially after the Courier-Mail the main newspaper in Brisbane, Australia where I got the story today did an interview with an old gothic associate of mine who claimed that the recent school shootings were `nothing to do with being a goth.' I still can't believe that Marilyn Manson is geting so much hype for being so crap. The only good thing I will say about him is that he always appears intelligent in interviews, pity I can't say the same about his music. `Stone's Ginger Wine' induced rant end here. -P From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Apr 23 07:34:39 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 07:34:39 EDT Subject: Interesting project Message-ID: In a message dated 4/23/99 7:13:56 AM, s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU writes: <> keywords "hype" and "crap" "<>" From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 23 08:12:08 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 13:12:08 +0100 Subject: Interesting project In-Reply-To: Patrick C.'s message of Fri, 23 Apr 1999 21:08:49 +1000 Message-ID: Patrick C. writes: > > From: Andrew A. Apold > > Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 5:39 AM > > > > >On Tue, 20 Apr 1999, M Holmes wrote: > > > > > >> > Apparently NASA have decided to > > >> > send their next `interferometry mission' (a project aimed at finding > > >> > Earth-sized planets revolving around nearby suns) to this > Andromedae. > > > > > > Always doubt any e-mail claim that starts with "Apparently". Actually. I always use "apparently" when I'm quoting 2nd or 3rd hand information. That doesn't mean the information is wrong, it simply (for me) is shorthand for the fact that I cannot personally verify the statement I am about to make. The information is usually correct or basically correct but since there may be elements I am unaware of I'll cover myself by indicating that the absolute wording of the statement is not to be taken as gospel. > Well, to all those people who responded to this email all I can say is that > I typed the information directly from the newspaper, and have no formal > training in astro-physics. Teaches me for reading this newspaper I guess. I also heard about this but on the radio. As far as I understand it the theory is that where there are big planets there are likely to be smaller ones as well (though I don't know the calculations that go into this it seems IMO a not unreasonable conclusion and I assume they've got the maths to support it) and the more stars that show evidence of planets then the increasing likelyhood that one or more planets apart from ours will have a stable orbit at the correct distance from the sun and will fall into the tolerant zone (or whatever its proper name is) sufficiently long enough to allow Life to form, always assuming of course that there is no magic "sentient" dust that needs to be sprinkled over the place first.... It's a nice idea and it does seem that whereas originally only massive objects the size of small suns could be identified it is now possible to locate Jupiter-size stuff that may indeed be planets in their own right. jill (currently reading Turtledove's "A World of Difference") ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Apr 23 05:18:36 1999 From: age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Adrian Parr) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:18:36 +0100 Subject: HW: Star Trek Con Message-ID: Mike Holmes wrote : Hey Age, I can't get the links from the index page to work when using >Netscape 4. Anyone else having problems with links from the Hawkeye site using Netscape? I'd sure interested to know and why this may be. I'm using IE4, a possible conflict perhaps somewhere in the tagging? Scape versus Explorer. All the best Age From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 23 10:35:40 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:35:40 +0100 Subject: HW: Star Trek Con In-Reply-To: Adrian Parr's message of Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:18:36 +0100 Message-ID: Adrian Parr writes: > Mike Holmes wrote : Hey Age, I can't get the links from the index page to > work when using > >Netscape 4. > > > Anyone else having problems with links from the Hawkeye site using Netscape? > I'd sure interested to know and why this may be. I'm using IE4, a possible > conflict perhaps somewhere in the tagging? > Scape versus Explorer. Netscape version 3 works fine for me. It's a wonderful site - just sorry I can't answer any of your questions! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Apr 23 10:48:35 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:48:35 +0100 Subject: another personal grail discovered Message-ID: all hail Overground of Hove! Splendid chaps all of them. Thanks to these folks i'm now listening Inner City Unit's Passout. Words can't express my happiness. From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Apr 23 11:22:19 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:22:19 EDT Subject: OFF: marilyn manson (i guess they didnt like tuesdays) Message-ID: In a message dated 4/23/99 7:36:59 AM, DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: << keywords "hype" and "crap" "<>" >> guess i'd been laying off the cheapest shots of late; yeah, well... i've been e-mail discussing the "colorado massacre" in several other places this week, and among other things have been scoffing at the notion of marilyn manson being some kinda "threat" ...doesnt mean they're not a buncha hyped-up crap, though... [i pause briefly, considering my own alice cooper phase of 1971-73>>>>>but i would argue that in addition to the theatrics alice cooper was an actual rock band (at the time) while marilyn manson aint no kinda band.] "<>" unfortunately, mr. townsend, some of these kids are NOT alright. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 23 11:24:29 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:24:29 +0100 Subject: Interesting project In-Reply-To: Patrick C.'s message of Fri, 23 Apr 1999 21:08:49 +1000 Message-ID: Patrick C. writes: > (Especially after the Courier-Mail the main newspaper in Brisbane, > Australia where I got the story today did an interview with an old gothic > associate of mine who claimed that the recent school shootings were > `nothing to do with being a goth.' I still can't believe that Marilyn > Manson is geting so much hype for being so crap. The only good thing I will > say about him is that he always appears intelligent in interviews, pity I > can't say the same about his music. The US, in its continuing state of denial concerning the whole concept of personal responsibility has been again hilariously casting around for inanimate objects and fictions to blame instead. That old perennial, guns, has been dragged from its coffin to loud yawns from all except the perpetually indignant, into whose nest Charlton Heston has again poked his stick. People who ought to have more sense than Tipper Gore have offerred music for ritual sacrifice to the gods of unblame. Would be film critics have pointed at The Matrix and fondly recalled the Jimmy Stewart movies of their youth. That newcomer in the charts, The Internet, has again proven its durability, this time with the famous How To Make a Bomb pages, bringing the First Amendment to join the Second on the list of Things To Burn after The Rapture. Speaking of which those wacky lads, almost as if anticipating the postmortem Bonfire of Inanities, added quazi-nazi philosophy into this heady mixture. Meanwhile a number of school bullies may be asking themselves whether the science geek they've been tormenting might have been paying a little too much attention in chemistry class... "Ring a ring o'roses A pocketful of posies Ban! Bang! Bang! Bang! They all fall down." -- "Hamilton's Ride" (Dunblane Gun Club) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 23 11:26:21 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:26:21 +0100 Subject: Interesting project In-Reply-To: J Strobridge's message of Fri, 23 Apr 1999 13:12:08 +0100 Message-ID: J Strobridge writes: > (currently reading Turtledove's "A World of Difference") Knowing that he's a good writer I have to ask what it's about? FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 23 11:39:57 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:39:57 +0100 Subject: Interesting project Message-ID: On fre 23 apr 1999 16.24 +0100 "M Holmes" wrote: > The US, in its continuing state of denial concerning the whole concept of > personal responsibility has been again hilariously casting around for > inanimate objects and fictions to blame instead. Hey, not *all* of us, bro! Hang the parents, that's what I say :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Apr 23 11:48:29 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:48:29 EDT Subject: Interesting project: you lookin' at ME, jock? Message-ID: In a message dated 4/23/99 11:24:45 AM, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: << Meanwhile a number of school bullies may be asking themselves whether the science geek they've been tormenting might have been paying a little too much attention in chemistry class... >> aw man, you dunno... this morning i was at one of the created-by-members AOL chats, one called (wait for it) TRENCHCOAT MAFIA, and there was more than one kid (presumably a kid) advancing the notion that the high school shoot-em-up was some kinda PAYBACK, like VENGEANCE OF THE NERDS...and one individual referred the two guys as "heroes"; you wish i was kidding...i shoulda clipped it and sent it here... but this morning's BOSTON GLOBE ran little yearbook pictures of those killed on tuesday on the front page; i'd say a number of them coulda been likely to have called "nerd" , i dont see much in the way of any "jocks" or "bullies" among the dead. what i see is a bunch of dead kids. and after reading the comments of certain chat room individuals, i'd say there are some picked-on kids out there who are WRITHING inside... "<>" From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Apr 23 11:49:45 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:49:45 +0100 Subject: OFF: marilyn manson (i guess they didnt like tuesdays) In-Reply-To: <27199f2b.2451ea2b@aol.com> Message-ID: ><< >keywords "hype" and "crap" > >[i pause briefly, considering my own alice cooper phase of 1971-73>>>>>but i >would argue that in addition to the theatrics alice cooper was an actual rock >band (at the time) while marilyn manson aint no kinda band.] Yeah MarMan are pretty crappy pop-industrial, but Alice Cooper! Wooooaaahhh! You just reminded me to go and put on 'Pretties For You' and it is as i remembered: a veritable psychedelic classic (it also brings back fond memories of a visitor to a place that i and some friends once had sitting with a bike lid on, clutching a knife, and constantly exclaiming, "You've all brought me here to kill me haven't you?" Yes, certain chemicals had been ingested). The follow up, 'Easy Action' was pretty good too. Also the garage band he was part of, The Spiders, were damned close to being shit hot, 'Don't Blow Your Mind'/'No Price Tag' are both good fuzz punkers. From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri Apr 23 08:06:16 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:06:16 +0000 Subject: OFF: marilyn manson (i guess they didnt like tuesdays) Message-ID: > guess i'd been laying off the cheapest shots of late; yeah, well... > > i've been e-mail discussing the "colorado massacre" in several other places > this week, and among other things have been scoffing at the notion of marilyn > manson being some kinda "threat" ...doesnt mean they're not a buncha hyped-up > crap, though... And let's not forget when discussing such things... "Reaper" has been mentioned in connection with at least a few teen suicides over the years... -- Nick From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 23 12:13:08 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 17:13:08 +0100 Subject: OFF: Goth music and The Guilty In-Reply-To: DASLUD@AOL.COM's message of Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:48:29 EDT Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: > Meanwhile a number of school bullies may be asking themselves whether > the science geek they've been tormenting might have been paying a little > too much attention in chemistry class... > this morning i was at one of the created-by-members AOL chats, one called > (wait for it) TRENCHCOAT MAFIA, and there was more than one kid (presumably a > kid) advancing the notion that the high school shoot-em-up was some kinda > PAYBACK, like VENGEANCE OF THE NERDS That doesn't really surprise me. I've been in a similar situation. The school wouldn't listen. The cops wouldn't listen. Meanwhile I'd been knocked unconcious during the last attack. I solved the problem by hospitalising three people using sports equipment as a weapon. It's pretty obvious to me that guns would have been more effective if perhaps a disproportionate response. On the other hand, my subsequent method of keeping bullies off my back was to promise, with as psychotic a glint in my eye as I could muster, OTT retaliation without any concessions to a fair fight. A couple of demonstrations of intent was enough to have their parents order 'em to stay off my case. After that it was peace and quiet on the road to and from the Chess Club until escape to University and relative sanity. I did notice that the bullies are not always the biggest guys. They usually brought a pack with them and so relied on strength of numbers more than personal strength. They were all sleekit bastards though. So while I regard murder of 16 people apparently more or less at random as a tragic outcome of such behaviour, I can see why it happens, and it ain't the music that causes it. >...and one individual referred the two > guys as "heroes"; you wish i was kidding...i shoulda clipped it and sent it > here... I wonder why the question raised is "Why did this happen at all?" rather than "Why doesn't it happen more often". I suspect that the publicity of this will have planted the seed in other angry young minds. Let's just hope their relatives keep their firearms a little more securely. > and after reading the comments of certain chat room individuals, i'd say > there are some picked-on kids out there who are WRITHING inside... Kids can be very very cruel to each other. I suspect that it's unfortunately ape nature. Confining it all in one place while adolescent hormones are coursing probably does ask for trouble though. FoFP From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 23 12:14:48 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 17:14:48 +0100 Subject: Interesting project In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:26:21 +0100 Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > J Strobridge writes: > > > (currently reading Turtledove's "A World of Difference") > > Knowing that he's a good writer I have to ask what it's about? that Mars is *just* large enough to hold an atmosphere and the Mariner probe took a photo of a blobby looking alien just before it stopped working so the Americans and Russians in the 1980s have both launched Mars landing missions to find out what really is there. Unfortunately the aliens have just declared their own civil war and each expedition has landed on a different side. I'm still reading........... jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET Fri Apr 23 12:29:36 1999 From: bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET (Brian Halligan) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:29:36 -0700 Subject: OFF: marilyn manson (i guess they didnt like tuesdays) Message-ID: >And let's not forget when discussing such things... "Reaper" has been >mentioned in connection with at least a few teen suicides over the >years... > >-- Nick Yeah. Just the other day I heard "Reaper" played at Yankee Stadium when the opposing pitcher was about to be sent to the showers. What was once considered evil is now comedy relief. I guess we'll know rock 'n' roll is truly finished when no one accuses it of being an evil influence anymore. Brian From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Apr 23 12:58:27 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:58:27 EDT Subject: OFF: marilyn manson (i guess they didnt like tuesdays) Message-ID: In a message dated 4/23/99 12:30:00 PM, bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET writes: <>I guess we'll know rock 'n' roll is truly finished when no one accuses it of being an evil influence anymore. >> the finished-ness of rock n' roll is sort of a separate issue, 'coz yeah, it's toast and toast again, should it linger for decades (which it will; witness polkas) "<>" From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Apr 23 12:50:42 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:50:42 -0400 Subject: HW/OFF: Ozrics tour Message-ID: Here we go again...Keith H. (FAA) >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >May 7 1999 8:00PM WETLANDS NEW YORK NY >May 8 1999 8:00PM WETLANDS NEW YORK NY >May 13 1999 Paradise Rock Club Boston MA >May 14 1999 Recher Theater Baltimore MD >May 15 1999 9:00PM THEATRE OF LIVING ARTS PHILADELPHIA PA >May 19 1999 House of Blues Chicago IL >May 21 1999 9:00PM ODEON CLEVELAND OH >May 22 1999 8:00PM MAJESTIC THEATRE DETROIT MI >May 23 1999 SHANK HALL MILWAUKEE WI >May 26 1999 9:00PM FOX THEATRE & CAFE BOULDER CO From hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET Fri Apr 23 16:33:02 1999 From: hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET (D Witt) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 15:33:02 -0500 Subject: Off: Ozrics Message-ID: Ozrics will be playing First Avenue in Minneapolis, MN as part of their tour next month. I just got confirmation from the booking dept. Progwonk and Silverfox are playing at Christiansen's tonight (4/23/99). From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Apr 23 18:36:22 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:36:22 -0400 Subject: Off: Ozrics In-Reply-To: <3720D8FE.6B4C8EDD@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Apr 1999, D Witt wrote: =>Progwonk and Silverfox are playing at Christiansen's tonight (4/23/99). Gov't Mule are playing at Belly of the Beast, Salem, VA tonight (4/23/99). :-) (They will also be supported by Marc Ford's new band, Federale.) Cheers, Paul. NP: Gov't Mule, Wetlands, NYC, 12/31/96 e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Apr 23 18:55:03 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:55:03 -0400 Subject: HW/OFF: Ozrics tour In-Reply-To: <199904231801.OAA20915@mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Apr 1999, Keith Henderson wrote: =>Here we go again...Keith H. (FAA) => =>>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ =>>May 7 1999 8:00PM WETLANDS NEW YORK NY =>>May 8 1999 8:00PM WETLANDS NEW YORK NY =>>May 13 1999 Paradise Rock Club Boston MA =>>May 14 1999 Recher Theater Baltimore MD =>>May 15 1999 9:00PM THEATRE OF LIVING ARTS PHILADELPHIA PA I just spotted this on Ziggy's own WWW site (http://www.ziggyrock.com/ --- Ziggy's, Winston-Salem, NC): MON MAY 17 OZRIC TENTACLES $14 (Yaaayyyy!!!!!:) Cheers, Paul. PS: They also have Robin Trower next week, and Robbie Krieger/Oakley Krieger Betts Band there on the 1st July! Woo hoo! e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Apr 23 18:56:40 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:56:40 EDT Subject: OFF: My life is complete. (and then some!) Message-ID: funny, you're exultant over getting their 3rd lp just as i finally acquire (a tape of) their 1st. the "underground" lp and that live in stockholm cd from last year are big faves of mine but anyway, check dis sh*t out:www.electricprunes.com very cool & informative too! incl. snippets to download from 45's prior to the 1st lp, their vox wah wah pedal spot, and more! a velly gift for you "<>" From bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET Fri Apr 23 19:17:34 1999 From: bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET (Brian Halligan) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:17:34 -0700 Subject: OFF: My life is complete. (and then some!) Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: >but anyway, check dis sh*t out:HREF="http://www.electricprunes.com">www.electricprunes.com > > >very cool & informative too! incl. snippets to download from 45's prior to >the 1st lp, their vox wah wah pedal spot, and more! I put the wah wah pedal spot on the tape I made for the great BOC-L tape trade project months ago. "You can even make your guitar sound like a sitar!" ;-) Too bad that tape trade project dried-up. I did end up receiving four great mix tapes before it was through though. Groovy! Brian obTape> "BOC IN - L" from Stuart Hamilton From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Apr 23 19:23:36 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 19:23:36 EDT Subject: OFF: My life is complete. (and then some!) Message-ID: hmm...that's odd...this was the first time i sent out a link which didnt come back to me as a link; i wonder how many of you get these actual links, but prior to sending the prunes site, they came back as links. let's try that again:www.electricprunes.com "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Fri Apr 23 19:29:16 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 19:29:16 EDT Subject: OFF: My life is complete. (and then some!) Message-ID: In a message dated 4/23/99 7:25:22 PM, DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: <www.electricprunes.com +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>nope; wasnt a link this time either, goldurn it...did ANYONE get it as a link? "<>" From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Apr 23 19:33:48 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 00:33:48 +0100 Subject: another personal grail discovered In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Fuck. I remember ordering a copy from from Nik, but before it arrvied I got one retail from The Beat Goes On. So I have a copy with no signatures, but Pete the Moron (wherever he is) has a signed one. I have the rare version. It's the best Brainstorm, for sure! Very Notting Hill ray-gay! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of andrew > Sent: 23 April 1999 15:49 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: another personal grail discovered > > > all hail Overground of Hove! Splendid chaps all of them. > > Thanks to these folks i'm now listening Inner City Unit's Passout. > > Words can't express my happiness. > From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Apr 23 19:58:15 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 00:58:15 +0100 Subject: another personal grail discovered In-Reply-To: <000001be8de1$bcbe51e0$b93f63c3@default> Message-ID: I also have the setlist from the first ICU gig I saw, signed by Nik and Vermilion Sands. Fom the Elgin, Labbroke Grove, some time in 1979 I think. And the Solitary Ashtray 7". Signed and also not signed. And the Paradise Beach 7". Etc etc. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Andy Gilham > Sent: 24 April 1999 00:34 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: another personal grail discovered > > > Fuck. I remember ordering a copy from from Nik, but before it > arrvied I got > one retail from The Beat Goes On. So I have a copy with no > signatures, but > Pete the Moron (wherever he is) has a signed one. I have the > rare version. > > It's the best Brainstorm, for sure! Very Notting Hill ray-gay! > > - Andy > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > Behalf Of andrew > > Sent: 23 April 1999 15:49 > > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > > Subject: another personal grail discovered > > > > > > all hail Overground of Hove! Splendid chaps all of them. > > > > Thanks to these folks i'm now listening Inner City Unit's Passout. > > > > Words can't express my happiness. > > > From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Apr 23 20:22:56 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:22:56 -0400 Subject: OFF: The missing link In-Reply-To: <13009fd7.24525c4c@aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Apr 1999 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: =>In a message dated 4/23/99 7:25:22 PM, DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: => =><come =>back to me as a link; i wonder how many of you get these actual links, but =>prior to sending the prunes site, they came back as links. =>let's try that again:HREF="http://www.electricprunes.com">www.electricprunes.com =>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ =>>>nope; wasnt a link this time either, goldurn it...did ANYONE get it as a =>link? I didn't get it as a link, per se, but my mail program (Pine) is clever enough to convert it to one automagically. It shouldn't actually be a link, since you are now sending e-mail strictly as plain text, as per the list admin's instructions. The "Some text" stuff is actually the HTML markup needed to put a link into a document. But, it's been rendered into plain text, because that's how you've told your e-mail program to send things. I wouldn't sweat it. If folk's e-mail programs can't auto-convert links, they'll just cut-n-paste it from the e-mail message into the "URL" line of their browser, anyway (or, heaven forbid, just type it in). If you want to apprise people on BOC-L of a neat URL ("WWW page"), just type it in to the mail message. No need to mess about with getting Outlook Express (or whatever) trying to embed it as a link. I hope this helps. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Apr 23 21:09:15 1999 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 18:09:15 -0700 Subject: another personal grail discovered Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Apr 1999 00:58:15 +0100, Andy Gilham is going to write (these time zone things are weirding me out): >I also have the setlist from the first ICU gig I saw, signed by Nik and >Vermilion Sands. Fom the Elgin, Labbroke Grove, some time in 1979 I think. > >And the Solitary Ashtray 7".Signed and also not signed. > >And the Paradise Beach 7". > >Etc etc. Congrats, Andrew! I love that album (I have both a signed LP AND the CD AND Steve Pond's ICU CD-ROM). But what I'd kill for is a vinyl copy of 'The Maximum Effect' (even though the pressing is as crap as anything that came out on Flicknife) ... anyone got one lying around? I'd trade my extra copy of 'Punkadelic' (plus some cash) for it (or pay outright)? Any takers? Name your price! -Doug ceres at sirius.com P.S. At least it looks like I'm going to get a pretty decent insurance settlement for my "Death Trap". That's good news to get on a friday afternoon ... From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Apr 24 04:07:46 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 04:07:46 EDT Subject: OFF: Fwd: Littleton, Colorado... e-mail yankees come to grips... Message-ID: thought perhaps some of my european colleagues would be interested in seeing an example of items which have been showing up in my AOL mailbox in the wake of the colorado shooting...there was a very nice, colorful "memorial candle" thing that i've received more than once, but i wouldnt dare send it to BOC-L, since the art content must make it larger than standard mail... the junk mail of the bereaved..."<>" -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Melon310 at aol.com Subject: Fwd: Littleton, Colorado Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:02:56 EDT Size: 6321 URL: From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Apr 24 04:14:19 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 04:14:19 EDT Subject: OFF: Fwd: LIGHT'S FOR THE COLORADO SHOOTING VICTIMS Message-ID: i'll be my usual cynical self real soon -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: BakyAngel at aol.com Subject: LIGHT'S FOR THE COLORADO SHOOTING VICTIMS Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:54:10 EDT Size: 3652 URL: From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Apr 24 05:52:41 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 10:52:41 +0100 Subject: OFF: My life is complete. (and then some!) Message-ID: On fre 23 apr 1999 19.29 +0000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > nope; wasnt a link this time either, goldurn it...did ANYONE get it as a > link? Er, well, it hardly matters, does it!? I mean, people can just cut and paste it into their browser! And even my email client, on which I've shut off most of the silly stuff mail clients like to do these days (man, to think elm once looked really tech!), converts anything with the appropriate URL format into links, etc. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Apr 24 07:14:45 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 07:14:45 EDT Subject: OFF: My life is complete.(and then some!)(and more besides!) Message-ID: In a message dated 4/24/99 5:52:49 AM, cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK writes: << Er, well, it hardly matters, does it!? I mean, people can just cut and paste it into their browser! And even my email client, on which I've shut off most of the silly stuff mail clients like to do these days (man, to think elm once looked really tech!), converts anything with the appropriate URL format into links, etc. >> er, well, it only matters in the sense that something changed and i dont know why...it dint useta be thisaway... about 4 weeks ago AOL had a particularly bad weekend, technically, and knocked out my ability to "download now' (not just me, but etc.)...i'm spozed to come back up from scratch w/the disc sometime, but i've yet to copy down all the addresses/favorites which i'd need to put back in...meantime, i'd wonder if some sort of "deterioration" was taking place... yeah, sending addresses is good but there was something about going "bang-here ya go!" (the newness of all this still in the process of wearing off) ..but it sounds like you (and someone previously) are saying that there are cases where simply putting down the address is enough; that some folks' "e-mail client" will turn that address into a link, 'twixt its being sent and received? wow... so it really DOESNT make any difference, other than whatever change has occurred to my machine, (or perhaps the LISTSERV machine?) thanks for xplaining! ^_~ larry b p.s. i sent a link to myself and it arrived as a link; QUICK!! name the pre-beatles mccartney song whose title could have been punningly deployed during this discussion??? From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Apr 24 08:24:05 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 13:24:05 +0100 Subject: OFF: My life is complete.(and then some!)(and more besides!) Message-ID: On l?r 24 apr 1999 07.14 +0000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > but it sounds like you (and someone previously) are saying that there are > cases where simply putting down the address is enough; that some folks' > "e-mail client" > will turn that address into a link, 'twixt its being sent and received? Yeah, I think most of the snazzy modern email clients do this. For example, when I see my posts, my email address and www URL are always turned into links by my client, which recognizes the HTML codes marking them (that much HTML is probably safe to send people--since really I'm sending plain text which happens to burst into parseable HTML very briefly :) That and the ability to attach files are probably the only two actually useful features I've seen added to email clients since the unixmail days of blessed memory :) But once I can use and safely send plain text Unicode, _then_ we'll be getting somewhere .... :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Apr 24 08:51:26 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 13:51:26 +0100 Subject: another personal grail discovered In-Reply-To: <000001be8de1$bcbe51e0$b93f63c3@default> Message-ID: At 00:33 24/04/99 +0100, you wrote: >Fuck. I remember ordering a copy from from Nik, but before it arrvied I got >one retail from The Beat Goes On. So I have a copy with no signatures, but >Pete the Moron (wherever he is) has a signed one. I have the rare version. :-) >It's the best Brainstorm, for sure! Very Notting Hill ray-gay! LOL. Ohhhh Yesss. "Enough is enough is enough is enough!" Set the controls to the heart of space punk ... From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Apr 24 08:59:12 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 13:59:12 +0100 Subject: another personal grail discovered In-Reply-To: <000101be8de5$27032fa0$b93f63c3@default> Message-ID: >And the Solitary Ashtray 7". funnily enough i've got two of those as well both with what i presume is Nik's scrawls over 'em; one with insert one w/out oh, and 2 maximum effect espagna 7" >And the Paradise Beach 7". lucky git ) what i really need is to replace the President Tapes s/one 'borrowed' a long time ago, the tape a mate did includes all the scratches and jumps he put on the bugger. oh yeah, and what did you make of the new CD that TT put out last year? Personally i cranked the volume up and really enjoyed it andrew (wishing this Damned hangover would just fuck off) From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sat Apr 24 09:05:53 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 14:05:53 +0100 Subject: another personal grail discovered In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990423180915.00889be0@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: >Congrats, Andrew! I love that album (I have both a signed LP AND the CD >AND Steve Pond's ICU CD-ROM). But what I'd kill for is a vinyl copy of >'The Maximum Effect' (even though the pressing is as crap as anything that ooh, last time i got down to londinium i picked a copy of that up for a fiver; it is *so* fucking good. Erm, this doesn't really help does it? I'll keep me eyes open for a copy i've been wondering about that: as i've got pretty much everything on there 'cept the vids in one form or another i was wondering what kwality the vids are? Also, dunno if you picked up the new ICU cd but afai'm concerned its well worth ther loot. Anyways, i'm back off to "Nuclear Waste?! Eeyah! We don't want that!" etc to hopefully clear me hed andrew From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Apr 24 09:44:22 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 14:44:22 +0100 Subject: Interesting project In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Jonathan Jarrett writes > The BIS! Did you ever see their moon landing project? No, but their theme to the "Powerpuff Girls" on Cartoon Network is great! -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Apr 24 09:43:53 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 14:43:53 +0100 Subject: another personal grail discovered In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , andrew writes > >Thanks to these folks i'm now listening Inner City Unit's Passout. Pass out, no disgrace! > >Words can't express my happiness. Finish up my dinner! Before I begin it! -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Apr 24 09:44:08 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 14:44:08 +0100 Subject: OFF: My life is complete. (and then some!) In-Reply-To: <6cf5049e.245254a8@aol.com> Message-ID: In article <6cf5049e.245254a8 at aol.com>, DASLUD at AOL.COM writes >funny, you're exultant over getting their 3rd lp just as i finally acquire (a >tape of) their 1st. A pristine 1968 original Reprise copy of David Axelrod's masterpiece. wheee! -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Apr 24 09:43:38 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 14:43:38 +0100 Subject: OFF: My life is complete. (and then some!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Brian Halligan writes >I put the wah wah pedal spot on the tape I made for the great BOC-L tape >trade project months ago. "You can even make your guitar sound like a >sitar!" ;-) It's the Now sound! It's Whats happening! Did you leave the disc running and include The Roads "Rub me The Wrong Way? :) -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Apr 24 09:43:23 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 14:43:23 +0100 Subject: another personal grail discovered In-Reply-To: <000001be8de1$bcbe51e0$b93f63c3@default> Message-ID: In article <000001be8de1$bcbe51e0$b93f63c3 at default>, Andy Gilham writes >Fuck. I remember ordering a copy from from Nik, but before it arrvied I got >one retail from The Beat Goes On. So I have a copy with no signatures, but >Pete the Moron (wherever he is) has a signed one. I have the rare version. The unsigned one is rare? I bought mine when it came out. I'm 34, you know. I've got all me own teeth. -- Jon From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Apr 24 10:55:29 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 10:55:29 EDT Subject: OFF: Fwd: Some of my best high school friends were violent bombers Message-ID: i realize i've pumped in a lot on this matter, and i'm fixin' to quit real soon if not now, but here's some recollections of jon "sex bomb" colletti, who puts out a (mostly) punk fanzine called DUMPSTER DIVE. "<>" -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Jsexbomb at aol.com Subject: Re: Some of my best high school friends were violent bombers Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 21:04:05 EDT Size: 1344 URL: From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Apr 24 11:08:55 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 11:08:55 EDT Subject: OFF: My life is complete.(and then some!)(and more besides!) Message-ID: In a message dated 4/24/99 7:16:39 AM, DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: <> nobody?..."THINKING OF LINKING" ahem. "<>" From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sat Apr 24 11:12:06 1999 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Patrick C.) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 01:12:06 +1000 Subject: Interesting project Message-ID: > From: M Holmes > Subject: Re: Interesting project > Date: Saturday, April 24, 1999 1:24 AM People who ought to have more sense than Tipper Gore have > offerred music for ritual sacrifice to the gods of unblame. Would be > film critics have pointed at The Matrix and fondly recalled the Jimmy > Stewart movies of their youth. That newcomer in the charts, The > Internet, has again proven its durability, this time with the famous For all witticisms and pertinent information about this latest development and the Tipper Gore philosophy which is still rife in America today I would urge everyone to listen to Jello Biafra's `Beyond the Valley of the Gift Police' spoken word album. My personal bible against such right wing finger pointing as demonstrated in Larry's attachments;-). -Mr. C. From mordru at FLITE.NET Sat Apr 24 12:37:36 1999 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 12:37:36 -0400 Subject: HW:(semi) - How to be a Great Prog-Rock Reviewer Message-ID: This was passed on to me by a friend who is on a Mellotron mailing list: There is kind of a jab (hence the Semi instead of Off) at Hawkwind in #8. How to be a Great Prog-Rock Reviewer in 10 Easy Steps ===================================================== Reviewing progressive rock albums can be simple. Are you tired of agonizing over the right words to use? Confused about your subject matter? Or are you just a lazy pig? Then use the following tips, and prog rockers everywhere will believe your every word. Trust me. Each tip is followed by an example so you can see exactly how it's done. (1)In every review, you MUST praise the Mellotron. Always describe it using the word "wash". "Gentile Goyim's keyboardist, Kerry Mayonnaise, treats the loistener to spectacular, warm washes of everybody's favorite Mellotron." FOR BONUS POINTS, also mentino the Hammond B-3, and imply violence. "Greg Palmer's raw, two-fisted Hammond work pierces the listener's eardrums with sonic knives." EXTRA BONUS POINTS if you mention either of these instruments and they don't actually appear in the music. "On the road, King Creampuff's keyboard setup consists of grand piano, harpsichord, and several analog synths, but strangely, no Mellotron. (2) Any band that uses cello automatically gets a rave review. For bonus points, use the word "haunting." "As the music fades, a haunting solo cello appears out of nowhere, accompanied by a trio of Mellotrons, washing away." Subtract ten points if you compare the music to "Eleanor Rigby." (2) If the music has flute in it, compare it to Jethro Tull. It doesn't matter if the music is really death metal, chanting monks, or atonal birdsong: YOU MUST MENTION TULL. For extra points, mention Camel too. "Paraan's msuic features Hyperia Gomez on flute, inviting comparison to Jethro Tull or Camel, even though the flute's main use is as a handy mallet to bang several large gongs." (4) You don't have to bother describing the music. Just list the instruments and let the reader imagine the rest. "From out of New Zealand comes Genghis Ka-Ka, one of the finest prog bands I've ever heard. If you are a fan of acoustic guitar, haunting cello, and explosive, annihilating Hammond B-3, you MUST check out this album." (5) Mention the length of at least one song. Extra points if yuo call it an "opus." "Side 2 of the album is completely taken up by 'Ode to Bowser', a 22-minute magnum opus based onthe theme from 'My Dog Has Fleas.'" (6) Casually mention the name of an extremely obscure band that one of the musicians used to play in, making your reader feel REALY stupid or disloyal for not knowing it. "...featuring Sergio Blammobarpher, whom fans will no doubt recall as the charismatic ex-triangle player from ubiquitous Icelandic proggers Hund Extinctski Thirstfollicle." THE CUNEFORM COROLLARY: put completely obscure band names in parentheses for extra poins. "Rounding out the group's sound is Bridgid Kirsch (Dootwhapper, B'nai Gwelzh) on freshly washed Mellotron." (7) The Syn-Phonic Rule: Praise every album by calling it the "best" example of a totally contrived category. Don't forget the exclamation points. "Museo Rubenstein, PASTAFAZOOL ($18). Possibly the ultimate Eskimo basson band of all time!!!! (8) If a progressive album features very long, drawn-out incredibly repetitive, boring instrumentals, call it "Space Music" "Space Rockers Mimsy Borogoves specialize in atmospheric drones that last upwards of for hours before switching notes." (9) Use abreviations known only to seasoned proggers. "Zyzzyva's music is a thrilling blend of PFM, HTM, RIO, TNR, ZNR and PDQ Bach." (10) Every keyboardist/bass/drums trio MUST be compared to ELP. Every quiet, symphonic album MUST be compared to PER UN AMICO. All raw, loud music MUST be compared to King Crimson's RED. All counterpoint MUST be compared to Gentle Giant. Bonus points if it sounds nothing like Gentle Giant. Every "old Genesis style" band MUST be compared to Marillon, not Genesis. Every male vocalist with a high voice MUST be compared to Jon Anderson. Every female vocalist, regardless of range or style, MUST be compared to Annie Haslam. Every band that uses sudden, unpredictable tempo and time signature changes MUST be compared to Barry Manilow. "Angled Guard, Sweden's newest prog sensation, combines the beauty of PER UN AMICO with the rawness of RED, producing a progressive, symphonic extravaganze that could only have come from Marillon. Lead singers Jon Haslam and Annie Anderson are pictured on teh album cover, inserting twin flutes up Barry Manilow's nose... taking the instrument far beyond anything Camel and Tull ever did." (I think it is by someone named Chris Barrus) ============================= "To dwell within Samsara, however, is to be subject to the works of those mighty among dreamers." - Mahasamatman, in Zelazny's "Lord of Light" Andrew Apold From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sat Apr 24 12:51:30 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 12:51:30 -0400 Subject: OFF: Burg Herzberg Message-ID: Folks... Here's the latest info on this year's BurgHerzberg festival. Did I read that right? The Supremes and Magma playing at the same event? What might the new millenium bring? And....Phish is neo-prog? And Spock's Beard is 'most popular'? Whatever, it's their festival. Keith H. (FAA) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Movement of the Hippies/Think Progressive present: The European Hippie-Meeting BurgHerzberg Open Air >From 15. ? 18.July 1999 -Cry for freedom- This year`s Burg Herzberg Open Air Festival has the motto `Cry for freedom`. The organizers of the festival want to promt people for a critical view of this bloody century(have a look to the editorial in our web-site after May 1999 ? http://www.think-progressive.de). The biggest European Peace- & Hippiemeeting will last 4 days, this year starting Thursday, July 15.1999 Opening: Thursday, July 15th-9.30 pm: ?special- Faust wakes Nosferatu- Faust the most important German group in the field of experimental music, sets live music to Murnau`s silent movie `Nosferatu`. This show is the third part of the live project(part 1 took place in Berlin, part 2 in Kassel) and the CD `Faust wakes Nosferatu` was recorded from those projects.The show on the Herzberg Festival is titled: `Des Grauens 3. Teil`. Friday, July 16th ?6.pm: The Flowerkings from Sweden will open the Friday evening. This band belongs to one of the most important representatives of the Neo-Prog-Rock-Scene. They have to be counted besides Phish and Spock`s Beard to the most popular and qualitative acts in this field. It`s Motown time. The Supremes, girl group from the 60`ties, formed beside others the Motown sound and will be one of the headliners of the festival. The band had worlwide more than 25 top hits and became famous all over the world during the time with Diana Ross. Pentangle and Fairport Convention will start a special at 11.pm. Both bands have their origin in the British folk scene. This will be the first time that both bands play together in Germany. Beause of this fantastic and nonrecurring event, this show will be recorded so that a CD will be available later. Saturday, July 17th-12.pm: Hank Shizzoe and his band Loose Gravel (Switzerland) will open this day of the festival with Roots-Rock sounding more American than any original. (The only open air show in Germany this year) Magma,the French Jazz-Ethno formation will enter the stage next. The formation around Christian Vander was one of the highlights of the Ethno-motion in the early seventies. Last year, Magma and Mari Boine have been the headliners of the `Leverkusener Jazztage`. Spock`s Beard are the up-shooters of the Neo-Prog scene. We mentioned them already in context with the Flowerkings. However, their drummer is also drumming for Genesis now. There is no doubt, Eric Burdon is one of the most important musicians and personalities in the Hippie scene. Eric is a musician that can look back to a very long carrier. He will fascinate his fans together with the lately formed `New Animals`. There are songs, nobody will forget and which are milestones in music history. One of these songs is ?n- a gadda-da-vida`. Iron Butterfly will appear on Herzberg Festival with 3 orginal founding members: Doug Ingle, Ron Bushy and Lee Dorman. New member of the band is Eric Barnett. The audience will be carried away by their old and new songs. Sunya Beat has been discovery of last years Herzberg Festival. Axel Heilecker, Harald Grosskopf and Steve Baltes (both from @shra Tempel) will present there new CD and will perform their trance- psychedelic sound into the late night to calm the audience after a long day of music and celebration for a few hours of sleep. Sunday, July 18th ? 11.am : The tent-city awakes. Ole Lukkoye from St.Petersburg will start the new day with Russian world music. Then Mari Boine (Norway) will enter the stage. She belongs to the Sami people of Norway. Mari Boine is an unusal artist. Unusal because it`s not possible to compare her with any other artist. Her music is however not traditional Sami music, but the `joik`of the Sami people is a heavy influence on her music and so the tradition is blended with contemporary musicforms such as jazz, rock and the music of other peoples cultures. The end of the festival will be celebrated by a band,which is not confirmed until now, it will be a surprise. Beside the main-stage, there is a second stage, called Prog-stage, which gives the possibility to 6 newcomer bands to present themselves and their music to a bigger audience. Advanced tickets: phone 0049(0) 6684 919388 e-mail: think.progessive at t-online.de 3-day ticket (Fr.-Sa.-Su.) in advance 75,-DM & charge doors 85,-DM special Faust in advance 12,-DM & charge doors 15,-DM We are expecting a large amount of visitors similar to the festival of the last year. Therefore we are advising to purchase tickets in advance regarding the limited space of the festival ground. Again we are asking our visitors to support the initiated waist project.Take care ! From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sat Apr 24 14:35:31 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 14:35:31 -0400 Subject: OFF: Fwd: LIGHT'S FOR THE COLORADO SHOOTING VICTIMS In-Reply-To: <899e769e.2452d75b@aol.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Apr 1999 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: => i'll be my usual cynical self real soon And not a moment too soon. :-) Earlier, you forwarded: <==========================================================================> To everyone that reads this: > > My name is Jayson Martin from Littleton, Colorado, I would like for > anyone who reads this to please write their name down. I would like to > send prayers [...] > ***Copy this letter, add your name and forward it to as many people > as you know. thank you. <==========================================================================> and then: <==========================================================================> [...] Please pass this email on to everyone on your address list.Lets see if we can get this message to everyone across this great country before [...] is right about our country. Pass this email along as soon as possible. <==========================================================================> It's not good form to propagate spam/chain letters on e-mail lists (especially when grossly off-topic), no matter how innocuous or well-intentioned it may be. If you have any doubt, I have just two words for you: CRAIG SHERGOLD! ;-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Apr 24 14:55:42 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 14:55:42 EDT Subject: OFF: Fwd: "LIGHTS OUT" by the ANGRY SAMOANS Message-ID: In a message dated 4/24/99 2:35:42 PM, paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU writes: << It's not good form to propagate spam/chain letters on e-mail lists (especially when grossly off-topic), no matter how innocuous or well-intentioned it may be. If you have any doubt, I have just two words for you: CRAIG SHERGOLD! ;-) >> um...not having been online for any previous "cultural events" (which after this one suggests to me they all must be, or will be, accompanied by e-mail like what i've received in recent days) and w/a long reputation for "redistribution of culture" (though not via this medium)...well... but if i've crossed into territory where language like "CRAIG SHERGOLD" will be invoked against me in public, i'd better slink away under my own power whilst i still can... there must be a grin around here somewhere...(grin)...<<---ah! i knew it! so, um, who's "CRAIG SHERGOLD", anyway? seeking the correct form of propagation i remain "<>" From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sat Apr 24 16:45:50 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 16:45:50 -0400 Subject: OFF: Fwd: "LIGHTS OUT" by the ANGRY SAMOANS In-Reply-To: <1a74f0b4.24536dae@aol.com> Message-ID: Larry, => but if i've crossed into territory where language like "CRAIG SHERGOLD" will => be invoked against me in public, i'd better slink away under my own power => whilst i still can... => => there must be a grin around here somewhere...(grin)...<<---ah! i knew it! => => so, um, who's "CRAIG SHERGOLD", anyway? Actually, the story is pretty funny in an ironic sort of way. Craig Shergold is a British lad, who was dying of terminal cancer. (Naturally, that's not the funny part.) So, his "dying wish" is to get into the Guinness Book of Records for the most "Get Well" cards received. This was quite a while ago, before large-scale use of the Internet, so the campaign to send cards, well-wishes, etc., to Craig got going via chain letters, faxes, etc. Graig received *LOTS* of cards. Craig also got better. You see, word of his "case" spread far and wide, and reached the ears of a wealthy American philanthropist, who flew Craig to the USA, to a top-notch specialist who operated on his cancer. Like I said, Craig got better. Alas, old habits die hard. Craig's appeal continued to circulate, and, in fact even grew much larger when it escaped onto the Internet. This was despite Craig publicly announcing several times he was very much alive and intended to stay that way, and please, PRETTY PLEASE, would people STOP SENDING HIM CARDS. You see, by this time, the British Post Office had to devote an entire local sorting office just to handle mail to "dying" Craig, and it was arriving faster than Craig and his family could open and sort through. I understand the Guinness Book of Records has officially closed that category now, because of the trouble it caused. The appeal letter continues to resurface periodically, like outbreaks of the Ebola virus, as well-intentioned newcomers stumble across it on their travels, unaware of the full story and its outcome. For more details, see: http://www.urbanlegends.com/classic/craig.shergold/ In a similar vein (e-mail spam that will not die), see: http://www.urbanlegends.com/food/two-fifty/neiman-marcus.html http://www.urbanlegends.com/food/two-fifty/neiman-marcus_debunked.html for the infamous "Neiman-Marcus Cookie Recipe" spam/urban legend. => seeking the correct form => of propagation => i remain As I've just returned from being out working on the garden, you'll forgive my focus on propagation, I hope. :-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sat Apr 24 19:39:28 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 19:39:28 EDT Subject: OFF: (today's new toy) now here's something we hope you'll really like! Message-ID: i hope some of you checked out the RESEARCH-IT when i sent it; here's a site that does for music what RESEARCH-IT did for everything else! ARGUS MUSIC SEARCH put in a band name and see what you get! ^_~ "<>" From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Sun Apr 25 04:48:59 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 09:48:59 +0100 Subject: OFF: My life is complete. / BOC-L Tape trade Message-ID: "Groovy! Brian obTape> "BOC IN - L" from Stuart Hamilton" It's alive!!! Any interest in kick starting the tape trade? The track lists I received last time around are at; http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/boc-l.html Stuart -- Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK e-zine and freezine http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Apr 25 07:12:54 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 12:12:54 +0100 Subject: Fwd: Michael Moore's Awful Truth Message-ID: just thought i'd forward this from the bomp-l given the subject's been raised here a couple of times >Hi folks, I am more than certain this has been on everyone's mind. Read this >little eye-opener! > >Keep it keepin' on, >Bryan >______________________________________________________________________ >To subscribe, send an email to TVNatFans at aol.com >' >April 22, 1999 > >Dear Friends, > >There he was, The Great Consoler, standing >at the podium, biting his lip, and speaking to >a nation in shock. > >"We must teach our children to settle their >differences through words and not weapons." > >Meanwhile, this same President, continues >a daily slaughter of human beings. He says >it's because the people he is bombing are >doing their own slaughter. He has chosen to >respond to their actions not with "words" but >with death. > >Is it any wonder some of our children -- especially >those in most pain, the "outcasts," the "uncool" -- >decide to turn to murder and strike out against >what they perceive to be a world against them? >We live in a culture in America where violence is >The Way We Get Things Done. If it works for their >elders, why shouldn't the kids give it a try? > >As the kids at the high school near Denver >huddled in locked classrooms in the hopes >that they would not be the next one with a >bullet in the face, they turned on the classroom >TVs to watch the carnage and their own >potential execution on CNN. One student, >"Bob," got on his cell phone and called the >local Channel 9 to give the on-air anchors a >live play-by-play of events inside the school. > >"Bob," the anchors said after getting their >precious, Emmy-winning sound bytes, "maybe >you should hang up now and call 911." > >"Uh, oh, yeah," responded Bob, sounding a bit >disappointed. His connection to the virtual world >of television and cellular communication was >more a part of his instinct to survive than his >need to call the cops. Or maybe he trusted the >people on TV more to get him out of there than >the full-time armed officer who patrolled the halls >of the high school. Not one gun of a well-armed >force of police that showed up was able to >prevent one death. > >A world away, kids just a few years older than >Bob are dropping bombs that are killing kids >just a few years younger than Bob. We know >this because we watch it on TV. We learn why >we're dropping these bombs also on TV. A >man from the Pentagon shows us cool video >game images of point-and-click targets that >go "BOOM!" Cool. > >Another man in an important uniform shows >us photographs from one of the Mother-of-All- >Cameras, those satellites that sit thousands >of miles up in space and have, I guess, >REALLY long lenses. > >He shows us Photo #1. Here, he says, is >"unbroken, untouched ground" from a week ago. >Then he shows us Photo #2 where he points to >the ground being "freshly turned-over, dug up, >and replaced." This, he says, is evidence of >"a mass grave." > >The reporters sit there like anxious pet dogs, >lapping up the "revelations" and eagerly >reporting them to us as "truth." > >But these journalists failed to ask the man in >the important uniform one very important and >obvious question: "Where's the middle photo?" > >If our satellite camera is always up there and >running, capturing the before and after of a >300 foot piece of dirt, where's the "during" >photo? The satellite cameras were snapping >pictures the whole time, so where's the photos >of the massacre itself? Where are the photos >of the Serbs transporting the bodies to the >"mass grave?" Where are the photos of the >bodies being placed in the "mass grave" and covered >with dirt? Where's just ONE photo of any of this? > >Was the satellite camera on the blink during all >this activity? Was it only working before the >ground was dug and then only after it was >covered back up? > >Where are those photos, Mr. Clinton and >Mr. Blair? > >Members of our so-called free press: Where >is your courage to ask the obvious questions? >Why won't you? Why are we being lied to? > >On the night of the Denver shootings, NATO (us) >bombed the building containing the three >Serbian TV entertainment networks. They >didn't bomb the news station putting out >the nightly propaganda until two nights later. >They chose to bomb the entertainment >networks first, one of which was showing >"Wag the Dog" with its fake Albanian >atrocity scenes, on a continuous loop. > >Yes! Bomb the entertainment networks, >'cause it's all just one big show for a >violence-deprived public forced to sit through >a year of mostly-unconsummated oral sex in >oval offices. We'd much prefer the gore to >Gore and Bill. "The Matrix," a film about a >young hero in a trenchcoat who is able to >blows away everything in sight, is the >number one film this week in the country. > >And as the children of Denver ran from the >trenchcoated killers, they were not met outside >by nurturing adults who might take them into their >arms to console and soothe them. > >No, the students were ordered to run out with >their hands above their heads into the gun >sights of the local S.W.A.T team who herded >them up against a wall -- "KEEP YOUR >HANDS WHERE WE CAN SEE THEM!" -- >and frisked them with their other hand, the one >not holding a gun to their backs. > >You see, the killer or killers might have been >amongst them, so all the children were >suspects, all potential murders in the eyes >of the state. Yes, it's our children who are >at fault, we are told -- They watch violent >movies! They listen to violent misogynist >music! They play violent video games! > >Soon, they may be asked to die a violent >death on the fresh-but-recently-disturbed >soil of the Balkans. > >They will be well prepared. > >Yours, >Michael Moore >MMFlint at aol.com >http://www.theawfultruth.com > >P.S. Charlton Heston and the N.R.A. have >stated that they intend to go ahead with their >national convention next week in Denver. >This deserves nothing less than a massive, >direct response from all sane yet thoroughly >disgusted Americans. What do you propose >that we do to stop these gun loving nuts in >Denver, once and for all? >---- >check out the BRAND NEW Leonard Tepper Fan Club Page - http://come.to/Smith > "Too Dumb To Quit." - Joe Queer > "The Dumbest Buy The Mostest" - Jello Biafra > From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Apr 25 07:56:43 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 12:56:43 +0100 Subject: Fwd: Michael Moore's Awful Truth Message-ID: >>If our satellite camera is always up there and >>running, capturing the before and after of a >>300 foot piece of dirt, where's the "during" >>photo? The satellite cameras were snapping >>pictures the whole time, so where's the photos >>of the massacre itself? Ah! Someone reveals they know FA about spy satelites! ;) The glory of the Internet, people who know nothing merrily telling nothing to people who know nothing. At the risk of suggesting the list should be topical (gasp! ;) can we leave discussion of yet another war and yet another murder to the forums provided for them? Cheers, Carl ObTrack: Hawkwind, _Doremi_, "The Watcher" -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun Apr 25 08:25:10 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:25:10 +0100 Subject: Interesting project In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Apr 1999, Jon Browne wrote: > > The BIS! Did you ever see their moon landing project? > > No, but their theme to the "Powerpuff Girls" on Cartoon Network is > great! *thwap* From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Sun Apr 25 09:41:05 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 14:41:05 +0100 Subject: OFF: INNER CITY UNIT REISSUES Message-ID: As there's been a spate of ICU related postings recently y'all might like to know that one T Thoms pushed a leaflet through my door which says; "Now available on chrome cassette, the first three albums from the legendary psychedelic punks INNER CITY UNIT featuring Nik Turner and Judge Trev Pass Out ?3.99 Punkadelic ?3.99 The Maximum Effect ?3.99 or all 3 for ?10.99 CDs Now You Know The Score ?9.99 Albums on cassette Now You Know The Score ?3.99 Maiden Voyage - Iron Maiden (with Judge Trev 1970) ?3.99 Cheques/Pos/hidden cash to T Thoms c/o 48 Barbauld Road, London N16 0ST, UK postage UK add 50p, ROW add ?1" And my old mucker Mick Magic has got "Judgement & Thunder" by Judge Trev & Nik Turner as a cassette release for ?3.99 (payable to S J Taylor) from Mick Magic, 6 Farm Court, Frimley, Surrey GU16 5TJ, UK And no I don't get commission, but in the spirit of reckless self promotion, my freezine is still available for an A5 SAE or 2 IRCs from the address below:-) NP Ian Dury & The Blockheads - There Ain't Have Been Some Clever Bastards -- Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK e-zine and freezine http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Apr 25 10:13:00 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 15:13:00 +0100 Subject: OFF: INNER CITY UNIT REISSUES In-Reply-To: <37231B71.84D4A205@connectfree.co.uk> Message-ID: >And my old mucker Mick Magic has got "Judgement & Thunder" by Judge Trev >& Nik Turner as a cassette release for ?3.99 (payable to S J Taylor) >from Mick Magic, 6 Farm Court, Frimley, Surrey GU16 5TJ, UK CRRICKK! (Whiplash neckwound sustained) What manner of fowl is this? From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Apr 25 11:53:58 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:53:58 +0100 Subject: another personal grail discovered In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > oh yeah, and what did you make of the new CD that TT put out last year? > Personally i cranked the volume up and really enjoyed it Head said, it's bollocks, heart said, wha-hey! and turned it up!!! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Apr 25 11:54:01 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:54:01 +0100 Subject: another personal grail discovered In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > The unsigned one is rare? I bought mine when it came out. > > I'm 34, you know. I've got all me own teeth. That's what I get for posting drunk... I kept the signed one and sold the other to Pete. But it did seem for a while that Nik autographs were everywhere! I've got all my teeth too, except for the mutant extra one they had to remove... - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Apr 25 11:31:35 1999 From: age.p at CONIFERSCLOSE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Adrian Parr) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:31:35 +0100 Subject: Following Michael Moore's awful truth Message-ID: on 25. Michael Moore wrote: If our satellite camera is always up there and running, capturing the before and after of a 300 foot piece of dirt, where's the "during" photo? The satellite cameras were snapping pictures the whole time, so where's the photos of the massacre itself? Where are the photos of the Serbs transporting the bodies to the "mass grave?" Where are the photos of the bodies being placed in the "mass grave" and covered with dirt? Where's just ONE photo of any of this? Well, i'd say Timing is crucial here. They'll appear when needed. It's a dodgy subject is mass graves. After the 1940's, this was never meant to happen again. Hey, we fought for freedom folks, not for this to reoccur just 50 years later. Mind you, nothing really has changed. It's warfare. Another instrument, just like the instrument of rape. Control and fear. No one ever looks into rape in war now do they? How many women have been raped in Kosovo, or Vietnam etc. Executing the young men of fighting age has been around for eons. Destroying records of existence. It's stategic! The Curse Of Man. We are Damned til the end of bloody time. He also wrote: Members of our so-called free press: Where is your courage to ask the obvious questions? Good question? Though very few ever do! Then he also wrote: Charlton Heston and the N.R.A. have stated that they intend to go ahead with their national convention next week in Denver. This deserves nothing less than a massive, direct response from all sane yet thoroughly disgusted Americans. What do you propose that we do to stop these gun loving nuts in Denver, once and for all? Well, this could be interesting. Get out of your homes you disgusted Americans and do something about this. It's a chance to actually confront the real issue for once. Storm the place armed with vices and destroy those guns! Mind you, it's all very well banning guns but what about the BULLETS ??? It's a Crazy F-ing World Sleep tight Age Visit the "Hawkeye on Hawkwind" website at: http://www.conifersclose.freeserve.co.uk/index.html From bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET Sun Apr 25 12:04:12 1999 From: bthalligan at EARTHLINK.NET (Brian Halligan) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 09:04:12 -0700 Subject: OFF: My life is complete. / BOC-L Tape trade Message-ID: From: Stuart Hamilton >Any interest in kick starting the tape trade? Definately. I don't know how successful it was for everyone else, but I thought it was worthwhile. Brian >The track lists I received last time around are at; >http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/boc-l.html > >Stuart >-- >Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground >PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK >e-zine and freezine >http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sun Apr 25 13:12:19 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:12:19 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: Fwd: Michael Moore's Awful Truth In-Reply-To: <419918.3134033803@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: Michael Moore's Awful Science, more like... On Sun, 25 Apr 1999, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: =>>>If our satellite camera is always up there and =>>>running, capturing the before and after of a =>>>300 foot piece of dirt, where's the "during" =>>>photo? The satellite cameras were snapping =>>>pictures the whole time, so where's the photos =>>>of the massacre itself? => => Ah! Someone reveals they know FA about spy =>satelites! ;) Indeed! The satellite cameras don't hover up there over one spot, continually snapping pictures until someone is satisfied and lets it move on. I understand the average time before the same spot is revisited is 15 days (depending on the type of satellite). (And, since the orbits are largely known, or can be reverse-engineered, this is how nations can keep little side projects like "nuclear testing/ development" 'hidden' from the eye in the sky.) A friend of mine's fiance works as an Imagery Analyst for the 480th Intel. at Langley AFB. (Using satellite imagery to determine sites of *possible* mass graves would be one of his jobs.) I'm sure he could explain better than I why that original article was full of beans re: spy satellites. => The glory of the Internet, people who know =>nothing merrily telling nothing to people who know =>nothing. At the risk of suggesting the list should =>be topical (gasp! ;) can we leave discussion of yet =>another war and yet another murder to the forums =>provided for them? I heartily second this! Remember, this is *BOC-L*, folks. If you want to get detailed on Kosovo or Columbine, go to alt.misc.{kosovo, columbine} or whatever, and thrash it all out there. After all, that's why we have separate forums. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Apr 25 14:41:50 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:41:50 +0100 Subject: OFF: My life is complete. / BOC-L Tape trade In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, I definitely enjoyed it - making the tapes up as well as receiving them! However, when (through no fault of his, I stress) one I sent to Rich got nicked, I sort of lost interest. (Somewhere, a mail thief has a very varied tape of everything from Myl?ne Farmer to the Butthole Surfers, by way of Thin White Rope and OP8. I hope they like it!) But I still have the postal addresses on file somewhere, so I could easily re-randomize them and send you all new instructions. And it's an opportunity for people to enter (or leave) the circle. (For anyone who wasn't around, about this time last year, a plan was hatched to swap some music, by sending a tape of off-list favourites to a randomly chosen recipient. Kind of like virtually having a list mate round your place listening to records.) - Andy ObCD: Calexico - "The Ride (pt. 2)" c/w "Minas de Cobre" (3 mixes) mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Sun Apr 25 15:10:55 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 20:10:55 +0100 Subject: OFF: My life is complete. / BOC-L Tape trade In-Reply-To: <000001be8f4b$47e59520$a13f63c3@default> Message-ID: >(For anyone who wasn't around, about this time last year, a plan was hatched >to swap some music, by sending a tape of off-list favourites to a randomly >chosen recipient. Kind of like virtually having a list mate round your >place listening to records.) > this sounds pretty cool to me - count me in if this gets off the ground again. andrew From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Apr 25 15:16:42 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 15:16:42 EDT Subject: OFF: Re: Fwd: Michael Moore's Awful Truth Message-ID: In a message dated 4/25/99 1:12:42 PM, paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU writes: << I heartily second this! Remember, this is *BOC-L*, folks. If you want to get detailed on Kosovo or Columbine, go to alt.misc.{kosovo, columbine} or whatever, and thrash it all out there. After all, that's why we have separate forums. >> i have zero qualms with this, in terms of belaboring such subjects at too great a length; i mean, i sent those links related to kosovo a few weeks back and i didnt bring it up after that... the colorado thing was a sick "cultural event"; was it the biggest of its kind since the death of princess diana? (i dunno, i'm askin' you) i contributed several related items for a couple days, more than one of which involved music and its condemnation/repression, which would have a not-so-distant BOC-L resonance in terms of, say, "urban guerrilla" and "don't fear the reaper".... for BOC-L i'm signed up for "hawkwind" and "off", which i have taken to mean "miscellaneous"...i guess many of you are signed up for stuff i never see... but if "off" material is marked "off" when submitted, isn't it being what it's SUPPOSED to be? i dunno, i'm askin' you ^_~ "<>" larry b COMING SOON: one of the coolest links i've sent yet! and an imaginary HAWKWIND live CD! From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Apr 25 16:31:56 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 21:31:56 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: Fwd: Michael Moore's Awful Truth Message-ID: On s?n 25 apr 1999 15.16 +0000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > but if "off" material is marked "off" when submitted, isn't it being what > it's SUPPOSED to be? Yeah, but we're supposed to try to avoid sending "OFF:" stuff! This is a pretty tolerant list, and people don't much stress about off-topic stuff. But it's perfectly fair to ask that we try to stay on topic. Especially since the net is _already_ awash with news, facts, opinions, rumors, and complete arse about the various wars and massacres! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sun Apr 25 16:58:31 1999 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:58:31 EDT Subject: OFF: Set-list for "Space Does Not Care" Message-ID: "Space Does Not Care", hosted by Chuck Rosenberg, every other Sat. night, on 88.3 KUCR F.M. (NOT on web-radio YET), 9-11 pst. Special sub-theme/magick words for the night: "You Know You're Only Dreaming" w/special pseudonym for the night, Chuck "The Dream Worker". 1.Nik Turner--Dream Worker (Past or Future?) 2.Melting Euphoria--Dreaming Waves Engulf My... (Inside the Gardens of the Mind) 3.Amon Duul II--Sleepwalker's Timeless Bridge (Wolf City) 4.Blue Oyster Cult--Wings Wetted Down (Tyranny & Mutation) 5.Mirza--The Path is White Clouds (Iron Compass Flux) 6.The Orb--Little Fluffy Clouds (Live '93) 7.Ebeling Hughes--Jump on the Sun (Transfigured Night) 8.Tangerine Dream--Phaedra (edit, from the History of Ambient Vol. 1) 9.Gong--The Isle of Everywhere (Est Mort) 10.Darxtar--Dark Daze (Daybreak) 11.ST-37--Heather Catherine Tallchief (Spaceage) 12.Saddar Bazaar--Arc of Ascent pt. 1 (Conference of the Birds) 13.Hawkwind--You Know You're Only Dreaming (rough "reissue/Brock-on-helium" version) 14.The Brain--Precambrian Shuffle Chuck Next week: more Hawkwind, Melting Euphoria, ST-37, Saddar Bazaar and also Architectural Metaphor, the Spacious Mind, Helios Creed, more. From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Sun Apr 25 16:17:06 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:17:06 -0400 Subject: OFF: Metallica In-Reply-To: <63A955F33941D111A68800805F3198E15A4615@ws30989.mcit.com>; from BREVARD, Adrian R. on Wed, Apr 07, 1999 at 12:33:20PM -0700 Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 07, 1999 at 12:33:20PM -0700, BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: > least a 100 miles from B'more. This is a good heavy rock station; they > refrian from alternative and give you a ton of classic and current heavy > music. One of the things they do every hour is"mandatory Metallica". No > Enter Sandman or Turn the Page, they play a lot of the classic stuff. > Listening to this blistering number the other day I thought "damn that kinda > sounds like Metallica but it really rocks and its so, so, so damned fast." > To my surprise it was, something from Master of Puppets I believe. (Yes, I'm weeks behind on my email. Couldn't pass this one up, though.) You remember me bitching about how NYC had no good radio stations? That was because I hadn't checked the dial in a couple of years. Things have changed. Now there's K-Rock, which just fucking rules. They play mostly new rock/metal/alternative with some classic rock, a little hardcore punk, rock/rap crossover, and industrial thrown in for variety. In the last week, I've heard, aside from all the stuff that's currently on the charts: "Fade to Black", "Master of Puppets", "Seek and Destroy", "Breadfan", "Whiskey In the Jar", "Turn the Page" (actually, maybe that last one *is* on the charts). > One other question, can anybody tell me the name of that new single by Rob > Zombie? Sounds like an interesting mix of Metal and industrial, it sure has > a great beat. Heh heh heh, I had to buy _Hellbilly Deluxe_ for the wife, because of "Dragula". She listens to it as a driving tune, which is kind of scary. :) > Was midly surprised to hear that song as part of the > soundtrack to the Matrix. Hey Rob may be a poser but I bet he gets big on > the dance circuit. You're only a poser if you're pretending to be something that you're not! Rob's a 180 lb block of cheese, and doesn't pretend to be anything but. The liner booklet to _Hellbilly Deluxe_ is the best collection of cornball fun I've seen a long time. When I was 12 years old, I would have thought _HD_ was the best album ever created. ;-) Steve swann at plutonia.com From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Sun Apr 25 16:57:16 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:57:16 -0400 Subject: HW: gig news etc In-Reply-To: <199904201048.LAA19394@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>; from M Holmes on Tue, Apr 20, 1999 at 11:48:57AM +0100 Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 20, 1999 at 11:48:57AM +0100, M Holmes wrote: > Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > > > Ah, I've always thought an SF con would be a great place to > > see HW. > > Me too, though a Star Trek con isn't exactly what I had in mind. I'll > probably go anyway since it could easily be a good laugh. Well, although a Star Trek convention is similar to my idea of hell ;-) I have to say that general-purpose s/f conventions should be rich mining for a band like Hawkwind. Hell, I saw a band call Boiled in Lead play at Arisia in Boston a few years ago, and they made a *lot* of new fans... Steve swann at plutonia.com From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Sun Apr 25 17:52:34 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 17:52:34 -0400 Subject: OFF: JUST BROWSING, THANKS (today's new toy) In-Reply-To: <222905.3133780813@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk>; from Carl Edlund Anderson on Thu, Apr 22, 1999 at 02:40:13PM +0100 Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 22, 1999 at 02:40:13PM +0100, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On tor 22 apr 1999 15.08 +0200 "Gekke Henkie" > wrote: > > I use Pegasus Mail 3.2 for my email_no trouble with melissa and > > the like this way_never liked Outlook anyway. The features for > > storing messages, filters etc. are to limited. > > Having a deep suspicion of using the built-in system apps, > I'm still amazed that anyone uses Outlook. I mean, I've seen > it and its rubbish :) Everyone should use "mutt" for mail. Screw all that other stuff. ;-) I built and installed mutt at work, and insist on using it. It really exasperates my boss. Steve swann at plutonia.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Sun Apr 25 19:21:56 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 19:21:56 EDT Subject: HW: more smoke to disappear in ~~~~~~~*~~~~~~~~~~~~*~~~~~ Message-ID: when the cd-set of the weird tapes was being discussed, i mentioned i'd acquired the software with which i could , for instance, "remix" audience tapes of early '70s hawkwind and compile a cd set. while such an endeavor on my part is far, far in the distance at best, in the interests of contributing something here which is actually related to hawkwind (fancy that!), i thought about what such a set might consist of >>>MY version anyway<<< and plotted out 2 cd's, with a probable 3rd and a possible 4th. i mean, if there was talk of making the weird tapes a 6 cd set, then how about 4 cd's worth of stuff completely unheard beyond tape trading circles? unheard, yes, and freqently not at very good sound quality, either, especially if you dont trade/collect tapes and arent accustomed to it. remarkable audio restorations can be done nowadays, but the best which could be done on this level is punch it up/clean it up/EQ a little, which helps, but one would have to want to hear this stuff, which would be the point of such a set's existence... the selections all come from my tape collection; i know bernhard p. and mr. parr (hi adrian!) have all of this, and maybe other BOC-L folk do too. i'm hazy on some of the specifics but if any one asks i'll be specific as to which show. (if the time ever came i'd certainly be exact!) discs are an est. 75 mins long +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ BLOW THE HUMAN MIND: HAWKWIND LIVE 1971-77 disc 1 THE BEAST OF CHAOS (calvert recitation)/YOU SHOULDNT DO THAT london 10/14/71 IT'S SO EASY edmonton sundown 1/26/74...the version used officially, but minus simon house, lemmy's vocals not mixed out, and about 10 minutes long SWEET MISTRESS OF PAIN wolverhampton 7/71...sounding nothing like the 1969 version, with a bit (a la "master of the universe" ) where the band comes to a halt and the guitar starts raving ORGONE ACCUMULATOR the one from "space ritual" as originally performed (the "space ritual" version replaced the vocals and did some minor trimming, incl. some of lemmy's noodling towards the end) PSYCHEDELIC WARLORDS/WIND OF CHANGE philadelphia 4/5/74...taped it meself...a couple weeks more developed than the version on "1999 party", now with the descending-progression thing at the end (along with lemmy sings!) ODE TO A TIME FLOWER (moorcock recitation)/JAM windsor/harlow 9/73...is that the correct title on "time flower"? followed by one of only 2 pure jams i know of over the course of my "lemmy era" tapes...alas, the sound quality is good but dominated by the bass... URBAN GUERRILLA southampton 7/73...the second of only two live performances of this song, this one has lemmy singing lead... i'd fade it out before advancing into the "encore medley". unfortunately this would qualify for poorest sound quality on the cd set. PARADOX edmonton sundown 1/26/74...the one which appeared on "mountain grill", as it was performed...no simon house and about 3 minutes longer; as the lp version fades they're quieting down, but they raise back up again before ending. excellent version, great brock soloing at the end. ENCORE MEDLEY: YOU SHOULDNT DO THAT/SILVER MACHINE/SEEING IT... i'm gonna have to go through the tapes for this one; late 74/early '75...in those days they tended to encore w/a medley like this , but they didnt often play all three together. whew. that's a lot of one-finger typing! i think i'll stop here. if there's any interest i'll continue and describe other discs in this imaginary set. disc #2 is plotted out... ja ne! "<>" larry b From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sun Apr 25 20:11:53 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 20:11:53 -0400 Subject: OFF: JUST BROWSING, THANKS (today's new toy) In-Reply-To: <19990425175234.A22589@plutonia.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 25 Apr 1999, Stephen Swann wrote: =>Everyone should use "mutt" for mail. Screw all that other stuff. ;-) =>I built and installed mutt at work, and insist on using it. It really =>exasperates my boss. Mutt is okay, but it's no Pine... >;-) Cheers, Paul. obGig: Gov't Mule, Charlottesville, VA, 4/24/99 e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Apr 26 00:54:18 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 04:54:18 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: Fwd: Michael Moore's Awful Truth Message-ID: At the risk of suggesting the list should > =>be topical (gasp! ;) can we leave discussion of yet > =>another war and yet another murder to the forums > =>provided for them? > > I heartily second this! Remember, this is *BOC-L*, folks. If you > want to get detailed on Kosovo or Columbine, go to alt.misc.{kosovo, > columbine} or whatever, and thrash it all out there. After all, > that's why we have separate forums. > > Cheers, > > Paul. Can I ask, then, why you opened an Off-topic e-mail in the first place? I don't want to offend anyone, but quite honestly, what is the big deal? It seems like people only complain about off-topic e-mails when they read one they don't like. Personally, as a BOC fan only, I've been getting quite bored with what little has been posted lately. This is one of the first topics that's really interested me in a week or two. -- Nick From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Apr 26 05:22:56 1999 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (The Automind) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 02:22:56 PDT Subject: OFF: Raj Neesh Message-ID: I've recently noticed that Raj Neesh (ICU) is an excellent song! Does anyone out there know the lyrics, or could anyone kindly direct me to a source for them? Also, it almost sounds like the voice of Arthur Brown speaking as (i presume) the voice of Raj Neesh - is this true? (I have the version on "The Best of Friends and Relations") My Gratitude!! _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 26 06:17:40 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 11:17:40 +0100 Subject: OFF: Fwd: LIGHT'S FOR THE COLORADO SHOOTING VICTIMS In-Reply-To: DASLUD@AOL.COM's message of Sat, 24 Apr 1999 04:14:19 EDT Message-ID: > I am going to turn on my headlights on Friday morning on my way to > work, on Saturday as I run my errands and especially on Sunday as I go to my > place of worship. I'm also going to turn on my porch lights on Friday, > Saturday and Sunday night. I'm going to turn on my lights for the families > in Littleton to show them that I care about them, that I feel the pain and > hurt and heartache. I'm going to turn on my lights for what is right about > this country. I'm going to turn on my lights against the darkness, the > anger and the prejudice. I hope you will join me. > One light is not much but > put them together and we can light up the world. Keep 'em all on long enough and we could drown the world. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 26 06:35:42 1999 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 11:35:42 +0100 Subject: OFF: Fwd: "LIGHTS OUT" by the ANGRY SAMOANS In-Reply-To: DASLUD@AOL.COM's message of Sat, 24 Apr 1999 14:55:42 EDT Message-ID: DASLUD at AOL.COM writes: > so, um, who's "CRAIG SHERGOLD", anyway? It was a famous racehorse that the IRA killed and left the head on the Irish Premier's pillow. FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Apr 26 06:44:01 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 11:44:01 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: Fwd: Michael Moore's Awful Truth Message-ID: On m?n 26 apr 1999 04.54 +0000 "" wrote: > Can I ask, then, why you opened an Off-topic e-mail in the first > place? Sure :) > I don't want to offend anyone, but quite honestly, what is the > big deal? It seems like people only complain about off-topic e-mails > when they read one they don't like. Yes, and? I should complain about off-topic email that I _do_ like? That benefits me how? :) > Personally, as a BOC fan only, > I've been getting quite bored with what little has been posted > lately. This is one of the first topics that's really interested me > in a week or two. Yeah, but I reiterate that if I wanted to read about Kosovo and American shootings then I could easily do so in about a zillion other places. Hey, this OT stuff happens when its slow on the BOC/HW front. Hawkwind haven't toured, haven't released anything really new. Much the same with tBS, except that they haven't released anything at all. BOC are still touring in much the same-old, no new recordings. No news, no news. Got to get these boys (and girl :) up off their butts :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Apr 26 07:17:37 1999 From: MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark P Lee) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:17:37 +0100 Subject: OFF: Up for it ! In-Reply-To: <199904260901.FAA03601@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 20:10:55 +0100 From: andrew Subject: Re: OFF: My life is complete. / BOC-L Tape trade MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >(For anyone who wasn't around, about this time last year, a plan was hatched >to swap some music, by sending a tape of off-list favourites to a randomly >chosen recipient. Kind of like virtually having a list mate round your >place listening to records.) > this sounds pretty cool to me - count me in if this gets off the ground again. Wooo-hoooo, me to... (I promise not to fill tapes with 'our' stuff too :-)) Mark. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please reply to mark at esparto.demon.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Apr 26 03:50:47 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 07:50:47 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: Fwd: Michael Moore's Awful Truth Message-ID: > > I don't want to offend anyone, but quite honestly, what is the > > big deal? It seems like people only complain about off-topic e-mails > > when they read one they don't like. > > Yes, and? I should complain about off-topic email that I > _do_ like? That benefits me how? :) It benefits you by making you less hypocritical. Apparently, other areas in cyberspace are reserved only for off-topic discussions that don't interest you. If you feel so strongly about the practice of sending off-topic e-mail to this list, why don't you complain every time somebody sends one? -- Nick From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Apr 26 08:28:50 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:28:50 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: Fwd: Michael Moore's Awful Truth Message-ID: On m?n 26 apr 1999 07.50 +0000 "" wrote: >> > I don't want to offend anyone, but quite honestly, what is the >> > big deal? It seems like people only complain about off-topic e-mails >> > when they read one they don't like. >> >> Yes, and? I should complain about off-topic email that I >> _do_ like? That benefits me how? :) > > It benefits you by making you less hypocritical. But I don't mind being hypocritical :) It would be hypocritical to claim otherwise > If you feel so strongly about the practice of > sending off-topic e-mail to this list, why don't you complain every > time somebody sends one? Because I don't feel like complaining everytime someone sends one? But seriously, what's the point point of complaining about things I don't mind? There's a lot of OT traffic here, none of it is very vital to me. I wouldn't mind if it all disappeared. Even the stuff that's my fault. I shouldn't send it. I should send _this_. _None_ of us should be particiapting in this thread! But it's simply impractical to complain about everything--I'm a realist--so I simply complain when something is sufficiently annoying to me. It would pretty much amaze me if people didn't complain about things which annoyed them. Ideally, I reckon, an intanglible "will of the list" determines what's "too OT". If no one else agrees with my complaint, it will have no effect, and that seems perfectly fair to me. Unable to get worked up over this, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Apr 26 08:36:54 1999 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:36:54 +0100 Subject: OFF: My life is complete. / BOC-L Tape trade In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 25 Apr 1999 09:48:59 BST." <3722D6FB.BE6D36AF@connectfree.co.uk> Message-ID: > "Groovy! > Brian > > obTape> "BOC IN - L" from Stuart Hamilton" > > It's alive!!! > > Any interest in kick starting the tape trade? Yeah, I'd be interested in seeing the tapes go round further. I think mine got as far as Keith H maybe, which is only 2 up the line. Dunno who's next. Somewhere, I have Rich L's pleasantly eclectic entry which can be forwarded as required. So everybody dig out their current tape and post it on! Tim From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 26 08:46:50 1999 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:46:50 +0100 Subject: OFF: Off-topics In-Reply-To: Nick's message of Mon, 26 Apr 1999 07:50:47 +0000 Message-ID: Nick writes: > > > I don't want to offend anyone, but quite honestly, what is the > > > big deal? It seems like people only complain about off-topic e-mails > > > when they read one they don't like. > > > > Yes, and? I should complain about off-topic email that I > > _do_ like? That benefits me how? :) > > It benefits you by making you less hypocritical. Apparently, other > areas in cyberspace are reserved only for off-topic discussions that > don't interest you. If you feel so strongly about the practice of > sending off-topic e-mail to this list, why don't you complain every > time somebody sends one? My understanding of the "off-topic" was that it was a musical one so that the occasional non Hawkwind or BOC related bands could be chattered about for a few messages without raising dust from folk complaining that a new discussion group ought to be formed or that the talk should be taken off-line or whatever. This was also extended to cover topics that only tenuously related to the bands. However I think it was the general understanding that discussion on off-topics should (a) be restricted to only a few messages (b) that generally speaking it should relate, however tenuously, to aspects of music or to the bands in question and (c) if the discussion went on at any length it should be taken off-list to be continued elsewhere. This has in practice meant the occasional fascinating observations on all sorts of topics ranging from warfare through philosophy and religion and politics, social and economic studies and heaven knows what. There are occasions where off-topic discussions have gone on for such length that they have almost taken over the list. But this is rare. Mostly when someone asks for a topic to be moved then the discussion shifts elsewhere. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Mon Apr 26 09:23:43 1999 From: ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Ben Cohen) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 09:23:43 -0400 Subject: ADMIN: What's "off-topic" really there for? Message-ID: Note - in the moderator's opinion (that's me, folks, in case anyone forgot... :-), this is probably the best summary of what's ok for off-topic discussions. I think one other factor is that they're generally for things that are not considered serious topics somewhere else, so major, world-shaking, news-breaking events, usually don't get consideration here since there's probably already at least 1 other place where they would be better discussed. Anyone who didn't read this when it came around should take a moment and do so... [Heck, even if you did read it the first time around, give it another shot. :-)] Ben Cohen, Moderator, BOC-L >My understanding of the "off-topic" was that it was a musical one so >that the occasional non Hawkwind or BOC related bands could be chattered >about for a few messages without raising dust from folk complaining that >a new discussion group ought to be formed or that the talk should be >taken off-line or whatever. This was also extended to cover topics >that only tenuously related to the bands. However I think it was the >general understanding that discussion on off-topics should (a) be >restricted to only a few messages (b) that generally speaking it should >relate, however tenuously, to aspects of music or to the bands in >question and (c) if the discussion went on at any length it should be >taken off-list to be continued elsewhere. > >This has in practice meant the occasional fascinating observations on >all sorts of topics ranging from warfare through philosophy and religion >and politics, social and economic studies and heaven knows what. >There are occasions where off-topic discussions have gone on for such >length that they have almost taken over the list. But this is >rare. Mostly when someone asks for a topic to be moved then the >discussion shifts elsewhere. From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Mon Apr 26 09:48:18 1999 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 06:48:18 -0700 Subject: ADMIN: What's "off-topic" really there for? In-Reply-To: <199904261323.JAA14916@st-canard.spc.edu> Message-ID: I'd like to add that, in my opinion, anything that contains a phrase along the lines of "SEND THIS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW!" should not be sent to the list. Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Apr 26 09:51:19 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 09:51:19 EDT Subject: OFF: Fwd: "LIGHTS OUT" by the ANGRY SAMOANS Message-ID: In a message dated 4/26/99 6:35:58 AM, fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK writes: < so, um, who's "CRAIG SHERGOLD", anyway? It was a famous racehorse that the IRA killed and left the head on the Irish Premier's pillow. FoFP >> listen, this room aint big enough for me to be falling over laughing...>>>bonk<<< "<>" From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Apr 26 10:42:52 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:42:52 +0100 Subject: ADMIN: What's "off-topic" really there for? Message-ID: On m?n 26 apr 1999 06.48 -0700 "Kevin Sommers" wrote: > I'd like to add that, in my opinion, anything that contains a phrase along > the lines of "SEND THIS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW!" should not be sent to the > list. In general, I suggest people don't even _read_ mail containing such phrases--but that's a personal opinon! :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Apr 26 07:05:02 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 11:05:02 +0000 Subject: ADMIN: What's "off-topic" really there for? Message-ID: > I'd like to add that, in my opinion, anything that contains a phrase along > the lines of "SEND THIS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW!" should not be sent to the > list. > > Kevin Sommers Now even I can agree with this! -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Apr 26 07:05:02 1999 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 11:05:02 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: Fwd: Michael Moore's Awful Truth Message-ID: > It would pretty much amaze me if people didn't complain > about things which annoyed them. Ideally, I reckon, an > intanglible "will of the list" determines what's "too OT". > If no one else agrees with my complaint, it will have no > effect, and that seems perfectly fair to me. > > Unable to get worked up over this, > Carl Without getting worked up over it myself, here's my last word on the subject...Send what ya want, just identify it so I don't have to open it to find out what it is. If it looks interesting, I'll read it, if it doesn't, I won't. From james.hogard at JUNO.COM Mon Apr 26 10:35:12 1999 From: james.hogard at JUNO.COM (James A Hogard) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:35:12 -0400 Subject: OFF: BOC-L Tape trade Message-ID: Stuart Hamilton wrote: >obTape> "BOC IN - L" from Stuart Hamilton" >It's alive!!! >Any interest in kick starting the tape trade? That would be great; I joined the list in the dying days of the last trade. Hogard From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Apr 26 11:41:49 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:41:49 +0100 Subject: OFF: BOC-L Tape trade In-Reply-To: <19990426.112551.356.7.james.hogard@juno.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Apr 1999, James A Hogard wrote: > Stuart Hamilton wrote: > > >obTape> "BOC IN - L" from Stuart Hamilton" > > >It's alive!!! > > >Any interest in kick starting the tape trade? Yeah - I could get a tape or two in this time, having steady access again now! Yours, Jon From stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK Mon Apr 26 12:37:49 1999 From: stuarthamilton at CONNECTFREE.CO.UK (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:37:49 +0100 Subject: OFF: JUDGE TREV & NIK TURNER Message-ID: >And my old mucker Mick Magic has got "Judgement & Thunder" by Judge Trev >& Nik Turner as a cassette release for ?3.99 (payable to S J Taylor) >from Mick Magic, 6 Farm Court, Frimley, Surrey GU16 5TJ, UK >CRRICKK! (Whiplash neckwound sustained) What manner of fowl is this? JUDGEMENT & THUNDER: The Greatest Hits Of Judge Trev And Nik Turner (JUC001/M&E440) Tracklisting; ATOMGODS - Atlantic Waves ICU - Solitary astrid ICU - Bones Of Elvis ATOMGODS - Oh Yeah ICU - Masters Of The Universe ICU - Polythene IMPERIAL POMPADOURS - The Crusher IMPERIAL POMPADOURS - Little Black Egg ICU - Watching The grass Grow ATOMGODS - China ' I first saw Nik (the Mighty Thunder Rider) at a 1972 Hawkwind gig in Barnstaple. After the gig I was involved in a car accident and ended up in hospital with a broken leg. I somehow thought it was his fault. Since then nothing has changed. We have now been gigging and recording together for 15 years, some of the results of which appear on this tape. Unfortunately, there appears to be no end to this insane collaboration - Judge Trev' NP Barbieri/Bowness - Flame -- Zeitgeist - Reflections Of The Underground PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK e-zine and freezine http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Mon Apr 26 12:06:54 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:06:54 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: Fwd: Michael Moore's Awful Truth In-Reply-To: <199904260846.EAA07207@junior.srt.net>; from on Mon, Apr 26, 1999 at 04:54:18AM +0000 Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 26, 1999 at 04:54:18AM +0000, wrote: > At the risk of suggesting the list should > > =>be topical (gasp! ;) can we leave discussion of yet > > =>another war and yet another murder to the forums > > =>provided for them? > > > > I heartily second this! Remember, this is *BOC-L*, folks. If you > > want to get detailed on Kosovo or Columbine, go to alt.misc.{kosovo, > > columbine} or whatever, and thrash it all out there. After all, > > that's why we have separate forums. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Paul. > > Can I ask, then, why you opened an Off-topic e-mail in the first > place? I don't want to offend anyone, but quite honestly, what is the > big deal? It seems like people only complain about off-topic e-mails > when they read one they don't like. Personally, as a BOC fan only, > I've been getting quite bored with what little has been posted > lately. This is one of the first topics that's really interested me > in a week or two. Well, I can answer that, since I wrote the original BOC charter (Ben has made it more spiffy and detailed, but not changed the fundamentals). Off topic stuff is supposed to be for things that are musically related, and may be of interest to people on the list, but aren't BOC/Hawkwind specific. So, OFF topics might be the legal battle surrounding MP3 technology, for example. Or maybe the fact that a movie is being made of one of Moorcock's works. These things are "peripheral", but not "unrelated" to the topics of the list. Abortion, war, politics et al are all well (extremely well) covered in other forums. BOC-L is for music, and things of related interest. Steve swann at plutonia.com From brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK Mon Apr 26 15:11:14 1999 From: brian at COULTHARD1.FREESERVE.CO.UK (Brian Coulthard) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:11:14 +0100 Subject: HW Bainbridge Preston? In-Reply-To: <19990426120654.A16860@plutonia.com> Message-ID: Hello all Having just been to see Beduion in possibly one of the roughest pubs I have ever seen (Star and Garter Manchester) I am fancying going to see them again as I enloyed them no small amount. I remember that Harvey was supposed to be supporting at Preston does anyone know if he still is? Brian From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Apr 26 14:25:02 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:25:02 -0400 Subject: HW/OFF: Aural Innovations #6 Message-ID: Hi Folks... Hate to bother you with this again, but after three long weeks of compiling, editing, and re-editing, AI#6 is finally ready for public viewing. Details below. Jerry and I were kinda swamped with this one, and am afraid we've bitten off a little too much (72 pages of material!!). Printing and shipping costs are going to make this one really hurt the bottom line, so we need help from folks to spread the word and encourage people to subscribe. In other words, Help! See URL below. :) Compared to other 'similar' products (Expose, Progression, Ptolemaic Terrascope, Crohinga Well), AI is the cheapest and I believe our quality is now at the same level as these other more-commercial publications. 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SPECIAL TO SUBSCRIBERS ONLY: All those who are subscribed by May 15th will receive a free copy of the new Spacefolds 5 cd by quarkspace! For more information visit the Aural Innovations home page at http://www.infinet.com/~jkranitz/space/space.html Jerry Kranitz (jkranitz at infinet.com) Check out Aural Innovations, the global SpaceRock Maga"zine" http://www.infinet.com/~jkranitz/space/space.html From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Apr 26 17:28:22 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:28:22 -0400 Subject: OFF: Ozric Tentacles once again.... Message-ID: Hi Folks... OK, this is *last* time (for awhile at least) that I'll post these dates. I keep seeing more and more updated versions as this tour comes together, and this seems to be right up to date. Wow...a gig in North Carolina. *Almost* in the deep south. :) Keith H. (FAA) P.S. Weird that Gong was moved from the House of Blues to the Coach House in Capistrano on the third of June, and now the Ozrics are playing the House of Blues on the original Gong date. I wonder why? Note also, Porcupine Tree and Magma are playing the HoB on June 1. Can you imagine a better three-day concert series than by those four bands? Ozric Tentacles Tour 1999 5/7/99 Wetlands, Preserve 161 Hudson St, New York , NY 10013 Tel: 212 966 4225 5/8/99 As Above 5/9/99 Day off 5/10/99 Pearl Street, 10 Pearl St. Northampton, MA 01060 Tel: 413 584 7810 5/11/99 Day off 5/12/99 Wetlands possibly 5/13/99 Paradise Rock Club, 967 Commonwealth Ave. Boston, MA 02215 Tel: 617 562 8801 5/14/99 Recher Theatre, 512 York Rd. Towson, MD 21204 Tel: 410 547 7598 5/15/99 Theatre Of The Living Arts, 334 South St. Philadelphia, PA 19147 Tel: 215 922 1011 5/16/99 Jaxx Niteclub, 6355 Rolling Rd. West Springfield,VA 22152 Tel: 703 471 7612 5/17/99 Ziggy's , 433 Baity St. Winston Salem, NC 27105 Tel: 336 748 0810 / 336 748 8820 5/18/99 Day off 5/19/99 House Of Blues, 329 N Dearborn St. Chicago, IL 60610 Tel: 312 923 2011 5/20/99 Ripleys, 2507 West Clifton, Cincinnati, OH 45219 Tel: 513 861 6800 5/21/99 Odeon Concert Club, 1295 Old River Rd., Cleveland, OH 44113 Tel: 216 574 6328 5/22/99 The Majestic, 4140 Woodward, Detroit, MI 48201 Tel: 313 833 9700 5/23/99 Shank Hall, 1434 N Parwell Ave. Milwaukee, WI 53202 Tel: 414 276 7288 5/24/99 First Avenue, 701 First Ave North, Minneapolis, MN Tel: 612 338 8407 5/25/99 Day off 5/26/99 Fox Theatre, 1135 13th.St. Boulder, CO 80302 Tel: 303 447 0095 5/27/99 Day off 5/28/99 The Fillmore, 1805 Fillmore and Geary, San Francisco, CA 94142 Tel: 415 243 8510 5/29/99 Palookaville, 1133 Pacific Ave. Santa Cruz, CA 95060 Tel: 831 454 0600 5/30/99 Galaxy Concert Theatre, 3503 South Harbour Blvd, Santa Ana, CA 92704 Tel: 714 957 0600 5/31/99 TBA 6/1/99 TBA 6/2/99 House Of Blues, 8430 Sunset Blvd, West Hollywood, CA 90069 Tel: 323 650 0247 From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Apr 26 19:42:59 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:42:59 -0400 Subject: HW: US tour - when? Message-ID: Hi Folks... I thought I saw a mention on the web the other day that the Spring 1998 tour, postponed to Fall 1998, postponed to Spring 1999, postponed to Fall 1999, has now been postponed to Spring 2000. Can anyone confirm? I would be really discouraged if it weren't for a slew of really good tours going on in May and June here in the states. And then Strange Daze in August. Regardless, it makes me wonder just how long does it take now to get something going? Last year, hardly anything went on, so you'd think that they'd be raring to go about this time. Yeah, ok, there are some festivals in the works in the UK and Europe, but I would like to know when and if this big project (Death Generator or whatever) is going to get powered up. I hope it's Y2K safe...looks like it will need to last that long at least! Keith H. (FAA) ObCD: s/t - The Difficult Second Album From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Apr 26 22:25:51 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 22:25:51 EDT Subject: ADMIN: What's "off-topic" really there for? Message-ID: In a message dated 4/26/99 10:43:07 AM, cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK writes w/some help: << I'd like to add that, in my opinion, anything that contains a phrase along > the lines of "SEND THIS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW!" should not be sent to the > list. In general, I suggest people don't even _read_ mail containing such phrases--but that's a personal opinon! :) >> tell you what though: if there is analogous UK/european "junk mail of the bereaved" or whatever type stuff, which wouldnt otherwise make it to the states, forward (some of) it to me directly! that "list of names" thing was lame in terms of submitting it here, it's true, my bad, but i didnt dare send that elaborate "candle" art email (ducks as BOC-L colleagues shout in unison "BLOODY WELL RIGHT YOU DAREN'T!") me, i like cultural flotsam...all kindsa insights to be found there ^_~ "<>" From DASLUD at AOL.COM Mon Apr 26 22:43:20 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 22:43:20 EDT Subject: OFF: Re: Fwd: Michael Moore's Awful Truth Message-ID: In a message dated 4/26/99 10:59:20 AM, nick at THECAMPUS.COM and carl at ETC. write: <> <> gee buds, i was thinkin' you was gettin' kinda worked up, for not bein' worked up (ACTIVATE GRIN) "<>" From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 27 05:55:37 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:55:37 +0100 Subject: ADMIN: What's "off-topic" really there for? Message-ID: On m?n 26 apr 1999 22.25 +0000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > tell you what though: if there is analogous UK/european "junk mail of the > bereaved" > or whatever type stuff, which wouldnt otherwise make it to the states, > forward (some of) it to me directly! Nah, not enough Europeans are online for that to be popular--except in Scandinavia, and they've got too much dignity ;) "Only in America ..." Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 27 06:31:42 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:31:42 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: Fwd: Michael Moore's Awful Truth Message-ID: On m?n 26 apr 1999 22.43 +0000 DASLUD at AOL.COM wrote: > gee buds, i was thinkin' you was gettin' kinda worked up, for not bein' > worked up Nah, that's why I included all the smileys and endorsed hypocrisy :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Apr 27 08:13:45 1999 From: Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK (Neil Ward) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:13:45 GMT Subject: HW Bainbridge Preston? In-Reply-To: <000001be9018$8ded3320$b331883e@computer> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:11:14 +0100, you wrote: >Hello all > Having just been to see Beduion in possibly one of the roughest >pubs I have ever seen (Star and Garter Manchester) Yes it was, but I've seen rougher... >I am fancying going to see them again as I enloyed them no small amount. I >remember that Harvey was supposed to be supporting at Preston does anyone >know if he still is? Yes, Harvey is still supporting as of now. Get there early, as last time the pub was very strict on the 11pm curfew. Neil. From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Apr 27 10:25:31 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 07:25:31 -0700 Subject: OFF:Off Topic Message-ID: >Note - in the moderator's opinion (that's me, folks, in case anyone forgot... >:-), this is probably the best summary of what's ok for off-topic discussions. I thought off topic meant "Ghost, will you shut up about Y&T already!" Slightly on topic - >5/16/99 Jaxx Niteclub, 6355 Rolling Rd. West Springfield,VA 22152 Tel: 703 471 7612 Keith, when you first posted the dates this one was not there though it appeared in the local papers. Jaxx has a habit of announcing shows before the bands are booked. Glad to see this one is confirmed now. Capacity is listed at 300 but that would include the pool table area, kitchen bathrooms and every closet. Anybody going may want to get their early for a choice viewing/listening spot. Real hard to move around once its full. L8er Ghost in the Ruins NP:Fates Warning - Still Life From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Tue Apr 27 10:49:52 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:49:52 -0400 Subject: BOC: YAY! Message-ID: Don't mean to be misleading in the subject line, but i found A GOOD radio station in Albany pix 106 (sad but true). They playe3d Burning for you followed by HARVEST MOON during the day (actually, the last verse of HM is playing right now as i type) THis is the type of exposure BOPC needs... not HM at 2 am. ORdered the BOC disc from Midnight records. Hopefully theyll send it soon so i can get back to you all what is on the beast. Jason PS: John Paul Jones is on Fripp's DGM label. Will release an album of instrumental tracks with a plethora of basses. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Apr 27 11:01:51 1999 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:01:51 EDT Subject: BOC: YAY! In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990427104952.0068ced8@mail1.wizvax.net> Message-ID: > From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision > > ORdered the BOC disc from Midnight records. Hopefully theyll send it soon > so i can get back to you all what is on the beast. > Jason Which disc is this? theo From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Apr 27 13:22:41 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:22:41 EDT Subject: AWPH: GENUINE ROCK N' ROLL RADIO (today's new toy) Message-ID: c'mon, ya really gotta love THIS one... vintage radio AIRCHECKS at this site you can download "airchecks"; in collector's parlay an "aircheck" is pretty much any recording of a radio broadcast...ideally one would like their 'checks to be "unscoped", that is to say, no cuts/as broadcast. collectors specialize in DJ's, station id's, moments in history (beatlemania, for instance), commercials and other subgroups. they also overlap w/the collectors of the weekly top 40 charts stations used to put out... i dont know about you, but i actually did live out that cliche image of the kid in bed w/the transistor radio. there's lotsa material from the '50s to the '70s here...a realplayer is required; if you dont have one you can get one there UK/EUROPEAN COMRADES TAKE NOTE: here it is, as it was, the real thing. is this COOL ENOUGH for you? luv, larry b From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Tue Apr 27 16:49:03 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:49:03 -0400 Subject: BOC: son of YAY!, but with feelin' Message-ID: MAY 18 MOFI BOC/T&M Eric Bloom liner notes Printed Lyrics. Buy at all (reasonable) cost. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Tue Apr 27 17:02:03 1999 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:02:03 -0400 Subject: BOC: YAY! In-Reply-To: <1EE540F0AD5@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: At 11:01 AM 4/27/99 EDT, you wrote: >> From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision >> >> ORdered the BOC disc from Midnight records. Hopefully theyll send it soon >> so i can get back to you all what is on the beast. >> Jason >Which disc is this? Guven the "copious" description at www.midnightrecords.com: BLUE OYSTER CULT-Dharma...-(April Ltd.CD Unre.'70 LP+Live NY'75/6) 21.99 Probably has the EP on it methinks and who knows... maybe stuff from "Live in the West".... Theres something BOC should release given that G.Geranious(sp?) assembled it so its a semi-legit bootleg. Worth a shot at least. But if it has stuff from "Live 76" i might just sob. Beyond the gates of Cerdes, Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From corwyn at GLOBAL2000.NET Tue Apr 27 18:42:32 1999 From: corwyn at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 18:42:32 -0400 Subject: ADMIN: What's "off-topic" really there for? Message-ID: Delurking You know I think there is nothing finer than getting the whole picture of my fellow Hawkwind and BOC fans and doing so via off topics is a great way! I have learned about many other bands, but also read opinions on life the universe and everything. I say there should be no off topic! LOL ok maybe a bit, but as long as we adults use our brains and clearly tell what the rant :) is about (one can always delete) then what is the harm. Parenthetically (pathetically) yours mike return to lurking mode From corwyn at GLOBAL2000.NET Tue Apr 27 18:43:56 1999 From: corwyn at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 18:43:56 -0400 Subject: OFF: Up for it ! Message-ID: I missed the last time. count me in and tell me more off list. Mike Mark P Lee wrote: > Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 20:10:55 +0100 > From: andrew > Subject: Re: OFF: My life is complete. / BOC-L Tape trade > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > >(For anyone who wasn't around, about this time last year, a plan was hatched > >to swap some music, by sending a tape of off-list favourites to a randomly > >chosen recipient. Kind of like virtually having a list mate round your > >place listening to records.) > > > > this sounds pretty cool to me - count me in if this gets off the ground again. > > Wooo-hoooo, me to... > > (I promise not to fill tapes with 'our' stuff too :-)) > > Mark. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Please reply to mark at esparto.demon.co.uk > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET Tue Apr 27 18:57:44 1999 From: Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET (Joseph Brooks) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:57:44 -0700 Subject: ADMIN: What's "off-topic" really there for? Message-ID: I gotta go with you on this one. I for one have absolutely no problem with off-topic stuff. This list isn't *that* busy and its not all that diffiCULT to hit that little DEL key a few times for the stuff that I'm certain won't interest me. After all, I already do so for 90% of the Hawkwind traffic anyway (which is 90% of the list lately). But I've also found quite a few interesting reads on the list which were definately way OFF. Besides, off-topic is my specialty! JB > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael S. Habiby [mailto:corwyn at GLOBAL2000.NET] > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 3:43 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: ADMIN: What's "off-topic" really there for? > > > Delurking > > You know I think there is nothing finer than getting the > whole picture of my > fellow Hawkwind and BOC fans and doing so via off topics is a > great way! I have > learned about many other bands, but also read opinions on > life the universe and > everything. I say there should be no off topic! LOL ok > maybe a bit, but as long > as we adults use our brains and clearly tell what the rant :) > is about (one can > always delete) then what is the harm. > > Parenthetically (pathetically) yours > mike > > return to lurking mode > From sprawl at BBOARD.COM Tue Apr 27 19:13:38 1999 From: sprawl at BBOARD.COM (Sprawl) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:13:38 -0400 Subject: OFF:Off Topic Message-ID: > Keith, when you first posted the dates this one was not there though it > appeared in the local papers. Jaxx has a habit of announcing shows before > the bands are booked. Glad to see this one is confirmed now. Capacity is > listed at 300 but that would include the pool table area, kitchen bathrooms > and every closet. Anybody going may want to get their early for a choice > viewing/listening spot. Real hard to move around once its full Only decent spot in the place are the stools behind the barricade, behind the sound-bench... From DASLUD at AOL.COM Tue Apr 27 23:10:53 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 23:10:53 EDT Subject: ADMIN: What's "off-topic" really there for? Message-ID: In a message dated 4/27/99 6:57:46 PM, Joseph.Brooks at GCCCD.NET writes: <> yeah , i'm pretty darned "off" myself... i really enjoy coming across sites etc. which i can submit; it's like "look what i've found, gang", or when my friend sent me that "alert" about killer psychedelic pay phones, it was like "THIS they gotta see!" and it lit up the place for a few days, we all seemed to have a good time with it...that's how such a submission SHOULD work, ideally>>> forwarding items here is just so easy, y'know, just a click...deleting items is just as easy, y'all >>> even so, the point is not to create disdain amongst ye <<< and yet...i sent in that track list for that imaginary hawkwind live CD, which included a bunch of hawkwind trivia >>didnt it?<< and to date the response has been...nada. the killer psychedelic pay phones got a much better response. well, i tried, and most likely i'll try again. "<>" From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Wed Apr 28 03:15:49 1999 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 03:15:49 EDT Subject: BOC: YAY! Message-ID: Jason wrote (in response to >Which disc is this?<) > G(i)ven the "copious" description at www.midnightrecords.com: > BLUE OYSTER CULT-Dharma...-(April Ltd.CD Unre.'70 LP+Live NY'75/6) 21.99 > Probably has the EP on it methinks and who knows... maybe stuff from "Live > in the West".... What, West NY? :-) Of course half the time the folks who put these things out don't know what they've got, so you're right, who knows...but my money's on "St. Cecilia" and something from the NY King Biscuit shows. Let us know! -Chris Baker From Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Apr 28 04:02:02 1999 From: Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK (Neil Ward) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:02:02 GMT Subject: HW: BADAM festival info Message-ID: Buxton All Day All Music (BADAM ) festival featuring Hawkwind, Arthur Brown, Spacehead, Daevid Allen, Banco De Gaia, and possibly Bedouin, plus many others, will be held on July 31st to August 1st. Hawkwind will play on Saturday 31st at 10pm. Curfew is midnight. Tickets are ?29 adults, ?10 14-17 year olds, under13 free. Includes car parking and camping from Friday lunchtime to Monday lunchtime. For a few weeks tickets will be offered at ?20 by sending cheques/PO payable to: BADAM Festival C/O 12, Hartington Road Buxton. Tel contact 01298 23808 From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Wed Apr 28 04:12:25 1999 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 01:12:25 -0700 Subject: more smoke to disappear in ~~~~~~~*~~~~~~~~~~~~*~~~~~ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A great idea! And yet I feel as if I've been here before..........Oh yeah, this was a good chunk of the idea behind what were to be eventually as the NOVA DRIVE CD-Rs.:.:.:.: Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of DASLUD at AOL.COM > Sent: Sunday, April 25, 1999 4:22 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: HW: more smoke to disappear in ~~~~~~~*~~~~~~~~~~~~*~~~~~ > > > when the cd-set of the weird tapes was being discussed, i mentioned i'd > acquired the software with which i could , for instance, "remix" audience > tapes of early '70s hawkwind and compile a cd set. > while such an endeavor on my part is far, far in the distance at > best, in the > interests of contributing something here which is actually related to > hawkwind (fancy that!), i thought about what such a set might consist of > >>>MY version anyway<<< and plotted out 2 cd's, with a probable 3rd and a > possible 4th. i mean, if there was talk of making the weird tapes > a 6 cd set, > then how about 4 cd's worth of stuff completely unheard beyond > tape trading > circles? > > unheard, yes, and freqently not at very good sound quality, either, > especially if you dont trade/collect tapes and arent accustomed to it. > remarkable audio restorations can be done nowadays, but the best > which could > be done on this level is punch it up/clean it up/EQ a little, which helps, > but one would have to want to hear this stuff, which would be the point of > such a set's existence... > > the selections all come from my tape collection; i know bernhard > p. and mr. > parr (hi adrian!) have all of this, and maybe other BOC-L folk do too. i'm > hazy on some of the specifics but if any one asks i'll be specific as to > which show. (if the time ever came i'd certainly be exact!) discs > are an est. > 75 mins long > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > +++++++++ > BLOW THE HUMAN MIND: HAWKWIND LIVE 1971-77 > > disc 1 > THE BEAST OF CHAOS (calvert recitation)/YOU SHOULDNT DO THAT > london 10/14/71 > IT'S SO EASY > edmonton sundown 1/26/74...the version used officially, but minus simon > house, lemmy's vocals not mixed out, and about 10 minutes long > SWEET MISTRESS OF PAIN > wolverhampton 7/71...sounding nothing like the 1969 version, with > a bit (a la > "master of the universe" ) where the band comes to a halt and the guitar > starts raving > ORGONE ACCUMULATOR > the one from "space ritual" as originally performed (the "space ritual" > version replaced the vocals and did some minor trimming, incl. some of > lemmy's noodling towards the end) > PSYCHEDELIC WARLORDS/WIND OF CHANGE > philadelphia 4/5/74...taped it meself...a couple weeks more developed than > the version on "1999 party", now with the descending-progression > thing at the > end (along with lemmy sings!) > ODE TO A TIME FLOWER (moorcock recitation)/JAM > windsor/harlow 9/73...is that the correct title on "time flower"? > followed by > one of only 2 pure jams i know of over the course of my "lemmy era" > tapes...alas, the sound quality is good but dominated by the bass... > URBAN GUERRILLA > southampton 7/73...the second of only two live performances of this song, > this one has lemmy singing lead... i'd fade it out before > advancing into the > "encore medley". unfortunately this would qualify for poorest > sound quality > on the cd set. > PARADOX > edmonton sundown 1/26/74...the one which appeared on "mountain > grill", as it > was performed...no simon house and about 3 minutes longer; as the > lp version > fades they're quieting down, but they raise back up again before ending. > excellent version, great brock soloing at the end. > ENCORE MEDLEY: YOU SHOULDNT DO THAT/SILVER MACHINE/SEEING IT... > i'm gonna have to go through the tapes for this one; late > 74/early '75...in > those days they tended to encore w/a medley like this , but they > didnt often > play all three together. > > whew. that's a lot of one-finger typing! i think i'll stop here. > if there's > any interest i'll continue and describe other discs in this imaginary set. > disc #2 is plotted out... > > > ja ne! > "<>" > larry b > From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Apr 28 06:02:27 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:02:27 +0100 Subject: OFF: BOC-L Tape trade In-Reply-To: <19990426.112551.356.7.james.hogard@juno.com> Message-ID: OK then. Looks like an annual. Everyone who wants to participate, let me know (private e-mail preferably) by (arbitrary choice of date) Friday 8th May. If I don't have your postal address from last time, don't forget to include that too. If you did participate last time, don't just assume you'll be included again - you have to opt in. (Better than including people from last time who've moved/lost interest/etc). Then you'll have another 2 weeks to make your tape (22nd May). At that time I'll send you all the member and postal address to send your tape to. Rule 1: nothing that everyone will have heard before! That means no (or almost no) HW or BOC, and no "Stairway to Heaven" even if it really is your all time favourite song in the world ever. More likely to be these off-topic bands that we all bang on about but most people don't know. Rule 2: include the titles of your chosen selections, but not the artist name. The idea is to "listen without prejudice", as George said. Rule 3: do try and keep with the schedule! So please don't join in if you think you'll be too busy to make a tape, or your recorder's fucked and you won't replace it till Christmas, etc. Rule 6: there is no rule 6. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Wed Apr 28 06:04:23 1999 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Gekke Henkie) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:04:23 +0200 Subject: OFF: Up for it ! In-Reply-To: <37263DAB.C4D34300@global2000.net> Message-ID: Op 27 Apr 99, om 18:43, Michael S. Habiby schreef: > I missed the last time. count me in and tell me more off list. Count me in too! --BArt From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Apr 28 10:04:31 1999 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:04:31 -0700 Subject: OFF: Off Topic - Jaxx Message-ID: > Keith, when you first posted the dates this one was not there though it > appeared in the local papers. Jaxx has a habit of announcing shows before > the bands are booked. Glad to see this one is confirmed now. Capacity is > listed at 300 but that would include the pool table area, kitchen bathrooms > and every closet. Anybody going may want to get their early for a choice > viewing/listening spot. Real hard to move around once its full >Only decent spot in the place are the stools behind the barricade, behind the sound-bench... Ah, you've been there. Just once I'd like to get there in time to grab one of those suckers. Other Jaxx shows Michael Schenker - 5/30 & 6/5 Iced Earth - 6/3 Firehouse - 6/11 Kink Kronicles (feat. Ray Davies) - 6/15 Molly Hatchet - 6/18 Average White Band - 6/25 Johnny Winter - 6/26 King's X - 7/13 On the horizon - Todd Rundgren, Paul Rodgers, Cheap Trick, WASP, Testament, Bruce Dikinson & Uriah Heep. Ghost In The Ruins NP: Iced Earth - Night of the Storm Rider From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Apr 28 11:21:17 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:21:17 -0400 Subject: OFF: Off Topic - Jaxx In-Reply-To: <63A955F33941D111A68800805F3198E15A466B@ws30989.mcit.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Apr 1999, BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: => Other Jaxx shows => => Michael Schenker - 5/30 & 6/5 => Iced Earth - 6/3 => Firehouse - 6/11 => Kink Kronicles (feat. Ray Davies) - 6/15 => Molly Hatchet - 6/18 Or, alternatively... Gov't Mule - 6/18 (Nightclub 9:30, Washington D.C.) Just thought you might like to know. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I don't live today; maybe tomorrow..." --- James Marshall Hendrix From DASLUD at AOL.COM Wed Apr 28 11:24:09 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:24:09 EDT Subject: more smoke to disappear in ~~~~~~~*~~~~~~~~~~~~*~~~~~ Message-ID: In a message dated 4/28/99 4:13:16 AM, novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM writes: <> thanks! jeez! somebody noticed! i do have the hypothetical disc 2 more or less mapped out, but i'd put in this 25 min jam w/twink on drums from '71, which would be 1/3 of the disc, and now i think such a jam would be better off on the hypothetical disc 3...the main thing that jam has going for it is the sound quality and the presence of twink... but i'd really like to hear about the NOVA DRIVE cd-r's... "<>" larry b From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Apr 28 11:33:09 1999 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:33:09 +0800 Subject: Dawn Of Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <000001be914e$d9868160$8855dacf@primenet.com> Message-ID: Hi all Anyone heard the new Dawn Of Hawkwind CD that could tell us if some of the tracks that are on it are actually different versions to ones we are familiar with, particularly Cymbaline & Hurry On Sundown (is it the Hawkwind Zoo version?). William From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Wed Apr 28 11:40:34 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 16:40:34 +0100 Subject: OFF: the psychedelic punkeroo In-Reply-To: <8db00969.24588219@aol.com> Message-ID: >presence of twink... speaking of whom i picked up a repress of Tomorrow's LP t'other day. Whilst i knew 'My White Bicycle' the rest were new to me. What can i say but "Wow!" (probably "Groovy!" But i guess i shouldn't)? The rest is *very nearly* as good as that track which is saying something as that has to be one of the top five UK freakbeat tracks. The only misses afai'm concerned are the Keith West tracks but no great surprise in that. There's also apparently a CD called '50 Minute Technicolour Dream' full of unreleased Tomorrow tracks and demos including some blistering live stuff from the Christmas on Earth Continued 'happening' at Olympia in Dec 1967. Anybody picked a copy of that up? andrew "I am a citizen of the universe, and a gentleman to boot." - The Doctor From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Apr 28 16:25:09 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 16:25:09 -0400 Subject: OFF: Ozrics Message-ID: Hi Folks... Well, this will *definitely* be the final post on this matter. It seems the entire US tour has been suddenly yanked. (No pun intended.) Sorry. Keith H. (FAA) From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Apr 28 16:32:50 1999 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:32:50 +0100 Subject: OFF: the psychedelic punkeroo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , andrew writes >Anybody picked a copy of that up? > >andrew Revoluuuuuution...NOW! -- Jon From swann at PLUTONIA.COM Wed Apr 28 17:56:13 1999 From: swann at PLUTONIA.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:56:13 -0400 Subject: ADMIN: What's "off-topic" really there for? In-Reply-To: <37263D57.D6814B39@global2000.net>; from Michael S. Habiby on Tue, Apr 27, 1999 at 06:42:32PM -0400 Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 27, 1999 at 06:42:32PM -0400, Michael S. Habiby wrote: > Delurking > > You know I think there is nothing finer than getting the whole picture of my > fellow Hawkwind and BOC fans and doing so via off topics is a great way! I have > learned about many other bands, but also read opinions on life the universe and > everything. I say there should be no off topic! LOL ok maybe a bit, but as long > as we adults use our brains and clearly tell what the rant :) is about (one can > always delete) then what is the harm. > > Parenthetically (pathetically) yours > mike Ok, I'm going to try to make this last comment on the topic, because I don't want to belabor the point (I have too many other, more important points waiting to be belabored). ;-) The reason the "OFF" subject header exists is to that we *can* discuss things not totally relevant to the list, while at the same time reminding us not to overdo it. It's both a friendlier, and yet more effective mechanism for striking that balance than anything else that we've ever tried. :-) Steve swann at plutonia.com From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Apr 28 19:03:06 1999 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 00:03:06 +0100 Subject: OFF: the psychedelic punkeroo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 21:32 28/04/99 +0100, you wrote: > >In message , >andrew writes >>Anybody picked a copy of that up? >> >>andrew > >Revoluuuuuution...NOW! > >-- >Jon How did I know that Jon would respond to that :-{)> ChrisW ObCD Single:Babylon/Black Dog (feat. Ofra Haza) Free your mind & watch your ass! From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Apr 29 02:05:52 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 02:05:52 EDT Subject: Fwd: BOC: YAY! Message-ID: ....from bob mayo: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: RMayo19761 at aol.com Subject: Re: BOC: YAY! Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 01:29:29 EDT Size: 721 URL: From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Apr 29 02:33:43 1999 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 02:33:43 -0400 Subject: OFF: Ozrics In-Reply-To: <199904282136.RAA07867@mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Apr 1999, Keith Henderson wrote: =>Hi Folks... => =>Well, this will *definitely* be the final post on this matter. => =>It seems the entire US tour has been suddenly yanked. (No pun intended.) Damn. And here I was going to mention to you that when I went to see Robin Trower @ Ziggy's, Winston-Salem, NC tonight (4/28/99), they had "18 OZRIC TENTACLES" above the entrance (i.e., not the 17th)... Botheration! Cheers, Paul. PS: Any reason given for the cancellation? e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I don't live today; maybe tomorrow..." --- James Marshall Hendrix From Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Apr 29 04:35:40 1999 From: Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK (Neil Ward) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:35:40 GMT Subject: HW: BADAM festival info In-Reply-To: <3729be26.913781@FAWXMAIN> Message-ID: >Buxton All Day All Music (BADAM ) festival featuring Hawkwind, Arthur >Brown, Spacehead, Daevid Allen, Banco De Gaia, and possibly Bedouin, >plus many others, will be held on July 31st to August 1st. > >Hawkwind will play on Saturday 31st at 10pm. Curfew is midnight. > >Tickets are ?29 adults, ?10 14-17 year olds, under13 free. >Includes car parking and camping from Friday lunchtime to Monday >lunchtime. > >For a few weeks tickets will be offered at ?20 by sending cheques/PO >payable to BADAM Festival: > Full address is BADAM Festival C/O 12, Hartington Road Buxton. Derbyshire SK17 6JW Tel/Fax 01298 23808 Or Tel only 01298 26884. Ask for Clive There is now a web site which will be updated as more bands are signed, www.badam99.freeserve.co.uk and E-mail news at badam99.freeserve.co.uk Q magazine and some others are interested in an interview about BADAM. (In contrast NME hung up on the organizer after he told them who were playing, and refused to show any interest at all) There is a CD of the local bands who will play available from the above address for ?7. Ironically Maiden are the latest addition, and Alan told me last night that Bedouin are probably going to play on Sunday 1st when fees have been agreed. Neil. From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Apr 29 07:00:26 1999 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (The Automind) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 04:00:26 PDT Subject: HW: BADAM festival info Message-ID: So in this 'England' Hawkwind , Arthur Brown, and Daevid Allen can just call each other on the frickin' phone and go and have a semi-coordinated an all-ages outdoor festival in less than 2 years? >>Buxton All Day All Music (BADAM ) festival featuring Hawkwind, >>Arthur Brown, Spacehead, Daevid Allen, Banco De Gaia, and possibly >>Bedouin, >>plus many others, will be held on July 31st to August 1st. >> >>Hawkwind will play on Saturday 31st at 10pm. Curfew is midnight. >> >>Tickets are ?29 adults, ?10 14-17 year olds, under13 free. >>Includes car parking and camping from Friday lunchtime to Monday >>lunchtime. >> >>For a few weeks tickets will be offered at ?20 by sending cheques/PO >>payable to BADAM Festival: >> >Full address is > >BADAM Festival >C/O 12, Hartington Road >Buxton. >Derbyshire >SK17 6JW > >Tel/Fax 01298 23808 >Or Tel only 01298 26884. Ask for Clive _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Apr 29 10:31:43 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:31:43 EDT Subject: OFF: e-mail from god: OPTION TO DELETE/OPTION TO DELETE Message-ID: i dunno man , i got forwarded an e-mail from GOD, y'know, how could i keep such wondrousness to myself... dont be mad... "<>" -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Jsexbomb at aol.com Subject: Fwd: (no subject) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 07:37:03 EDT Size: 3996 URL: From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Apr 29 11:21:01 1999 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (The Automind) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:21:01 PDT Subject: OFF: e-mail from god: OPTION TO DELETE/OPTION TO DELETE Message-ID: >From: DASLUD at AOL.COM >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Subject: OFF: e-mail from god: OPTION TO DELETE/OPTION TO DELETE >Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:31:43 EDT > >i dunno man , i got forwarded an e-mail from GOD, y'know, how could i keep >such wondrousness to myself... >dont be mad... >"<>" ><< message3.txt >> Huzzah! _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From DASLUD at AOL.COM Thu Apr 29 12:00:56 1999 From: DASLUD at AOL.COM (DASLUD at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:00:56 EDT Subject: OFF: e-mail from god: OPTION TO DELETE/OPTION TO DELETE Message-ID: In a message dated 4/29/99 11:22:16 AM, antisol at HOTMAIL.COM writes: <<><< message3.txt >> Huzzah! >> i saw this and i went back and saw my copy of the forward and it was complete; if yours wasnt, this has happened before...ask theo...fookin' AOL... (insert sardonic comment about the lord working in mysterious ways...) "<>" From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Thu Apr 29 12:33:06 1999 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:33:06 -0400 Subject: OFF: Strobe - help needed from the English contingent Message-ID: I have two CDs by Strobe: _See See The Sun_ and _Maya_. It is my understanding that they have a third album out. Of course, my local suppliers know nothing and can obtain nothing. If there is some kind English person that could provide me with the third Strobe CD in exchange for American currency or in trade for something I could purchase here for you, please write me at mcintyre at pa.msu.edu John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University From MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Apr 29 13:18:17 1999 From: MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark P Lee) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:18:17 +0100 Subject: OFF: Bedouin, Derby and other stuff. In-Reply-To: <199904290902.FAA17313@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Quick review, No problems with the van today, the band arrived and were pretty much set up to go before 6 pm, on a trip to find the local off-licence two of the band appeared to have got lost but they resurfaced in time for sound checks. I thought the balance of sound was pretty good, definitely a night for ear-plugs tho, it's not the biggest venue to say the least, Alan got his keyboard up this time around. The gig proper kicked off with the support band at just after 8.30, (I'm not allowed to review the support :))))) ), and left the stage at about 9.15 in plenty of time for Al to kick ass, this he duly did, he seemed to have dropped a couple of tracks from the set but I think there was at least one newbie in there, certainly sounded bloody good to me, the only thing I would criticise was the finish time, the set was over before 11 but the time was not used up, would of been nice if the boys had jammed on a bit more. Typically Derby response from the crowd, a couple of people got down and boogied, most preffering to watch from fairly well back though, not unusual for Derby. IMO a fairly well rounded set, Alans "Lemmy" tribute track darn near took my head off, ? was that the bass-line to Ace of Spades I heard in there ? Neil has mentioned that Alan is negotiating for BADAM at the mo' Danny was certainly up for it, I think confirmation should follow soon, the only miff appears to be that Sunday is an odd night for Bedouin to play given that Hawkwind, Spacehead et al will be on on Saturday. I gather that the organizers are trying to split things up a little and ensure that there is plenty for people to on both days, rather than just the one night. If Neil wants to do a better review then me feel free coz I'm no expert at this game. Cheers, Mark. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please reply to mark at esparto.demon.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Apr 29 14:26:44 1999 From: Neil at FAWE.DEMON.CO.UK (Neil Ward) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 19:26:44 +0100 Subject: OFF: Bedouin, Derby and other stuff. Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Mark P Lee To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 29 April 1999 19:12 Subject: OFF: Bedouin, Derby and other stuff. >Neil has mentioned that Alan is negotiating for BADAM at the mo' Danny >was certainly up for it, I think confirmation should follow soon, the only >miff appears to be that Sunday is an odd night for Bedouin to play given >that Hawkwind, Spacehead et al will be on on Saturday. I gather that >the organizers are trying to split things up a little and ensure that there >is plenty for people to on both days, rather than just the one night. Yes, completely correct. > >If Neil wants to do a better review then me feel free coz I'm no expert at >this game. No, I can't really add any more than this. Sound was lovely and clear at the back where I was stood, and much better than Manchester mix. Alan's face was a picture when he realised the support were covering 'Urban Guerilla'... The lack of encore was simply a reflection of the lack of crowd noise at the end. Shame. Neil. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 29 14:54:20 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 19:54:20 +0100 Subject: OFF: Bedouin, Derby and other stuff. Message-ID: On tor 29 apr 1999 19.26 +0100 "Neil Ward" wrote: > The lack of encore was simply a reflection of the lack of crowd noise at the > end. Shame. Cambridge was similar. I think there was not much noise at the end of the set, because people simply expected them to come back and play some more ... "LSD" at least. They finished well before 11, despite the late start in Cambridge. There was lots more noise _after_ LSD (with still time for another number or two before 11) when it wasn't obvious that they had more to play. The crowd was boogieing and head-banging all the way--or rather increasingly so after the first few numbers when it became clear that the band were rocking like demons--so it's obvious that people _liked_ it! The "encore" is dead. People can't be bothered to make a lot of noise when they know you're coming back out anyway. Conversely, everyone knows some bands won't come back out and play more no matter how much you clap and shout. Play until everyone sods off home, is my suggestion! Longer, if ya feel like it :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Apr 29 14:51:40 1999 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:51:40 -0400 Subject: OFF: Strobe Message-ID: John said... >I have two CDs by Strobe: _See See The Sun_ and _Maya_. It is my >understanding that they have a third album out. Of course, my local >suppliers know nothing and can obtain nothing. If there is some kind >English person that could provide me with the third Strobe CD It's called 'Alienation,' just so you know. >in exchange for American currency or in trade for something I could >purchase here for you, please write me at mcintyre at pa.msu.edu Pat Reilley of Lone Starfighter Discs (San Antonio, TX) has it for $20, just in case you were interested in doing it that way. http://www.vepo-music.com/g-recs/pat-1.html And Cranium has it for US$17, though the shipping from New Zealand would likely be a bit more. http://www.cranium.co.nz/ And Delerium has it for ?12. There are probably more. Keith H. (FAA) From cosmos at CASEMA.NET Thu Apr 29 16:15:16 1999 From: cosmos at CASEMA.NET (cosmos) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:15:16 +0200 Subject: OFF: Strobe In-Reply-To: <199904292002.QAA17821@mail1.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: >>I have two CDs by Strobe: _See See The Sun_ and _Maya_. It is my >>understanding that they have a third album out. Of course, my local >>suppliers know nothing and can obtain nothing. If there is some kind >>English person that could provide me with the third Strobe CD > >It's called 'Alienation,' just so you know. > in 1994 they also released: the circle never ends, on debris records. it's almost 57 minutes long !!!! don't miss it. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Apr 29 19:02:59 1999 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 00:02:59 +0100 Subject: OFF: Bedouin, Derby and other stuff. In-Reply-To: <1367312.3134404460@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: Play until > everyone sods off home, is my suggestion! Longer, if ya feel > like it :) Or until the venue shuts the power off, which was always Turner's policy :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 29 19:15:05 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 00:15:05 +0100 Subject: OFF: Bedouin, Derby and other stuff. Message-ID: On fre 30 apr 1999 00.02 +0100 "Andy Gilham" wrote: > Or until the venue shuts the power off, which was always Turner's policy :) Even that didn't stop him at J?nk?ping! ;) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Apr 30 05:45:56 1999 From: MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark P Lee) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:45:56 +0100 Subject: OFF: Bedouin In-Reply-To: <199904300901.FAA20716@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: >>If Neil wants to do a better review then me feel free coz I'm no expert at >>this game. > >No, I can't really add any more than this. Sound was lovely and clear at the >back where I was stood, and much better than Manchester mix. > >Alan's face was a picture when he realised the support were covering 'Urban >Guerilla'... > >The lack of encore was simply a reflection of the lack of crowd noise at the >end. Shame. > >Neil. I wish I'd made a note of the set list to be honest, I have to agree that the sound was well rockin', the k/b fills and bits which Alan triggered seemed to work very well, I have heard some say that he's better without but I like them. As for 'Urban Guerilla", what can I say !! I forgot to put my mask on for it though. It is one of my fave tracks and hopefully we'll be slotting it on our release scheduled (hopefully) for late May or early June. I would have liked LSD to have been played, but what the heck, I laughed a bit when the band joined in with the more, more chants though. A seriously fun night for me which didn't finish until around 6 am on Thursday. > The "encore" is dead. People can't be bothered to make >a lot of noise when they know you're coming back out anyway. >Conversely, everyone knows some bands won't come back out and >play more no matter how much you clap and shout. Play until >everyone sods off home, is my suggestion! Longer, if ya feel >like it :) > >Cheers, >Carl I gotta agree with this, but I think it's a sign of appreciation to give it some, even when you know they ain't gonna go back on the stage. Derby seems to be a bloody odd place when it comes to live music anyway. The crowd always seem to enjoy the gig but nobody ever wants to be seen to getting 'out of it', which can be a pain sometimes. Ah well, that's folk... Cheers, Mark. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please reply to mark at esparto.demon.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 30 07:30:56 1999 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:30:56 +0100 Subject: OFF: Bedouin Message-ID: On fre 30 apr 1999 10.45 +0100 "Mark P Lee" wrote: > I gotta agree with this, but I think it's a sign of appreciation to > give it some, even when you know they ain't gonna go back > on the stage. Well, I personally agree--I always clap and cheer and stomp like a nutter. But I recognize that most people can't be bothered, and bow to the harsh reality ... or something! Cheers, whistles, and applause, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET Fri Apr 30 12:58:17 1999 From: hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET (D Witt) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:58:17 -0500 Subject: OFF: Helios Message-ID: I saw Helios Creed last night at the 7th St. Entry in Minneapolis. It was four piece band, himself, Z Sylver, Paul (drummer who looked familiar), and an asian guy on base (couldn't make out the name). They had a TV on stage showing some kind of zombie flick while they played. They played about 70 minutes, songs that I remember; master blaster, lactating purple, xl-35, kiss to the brain. I caught Helios while he was setting up and shook his hand and confirmed he was ok with me taping the show. He put on a good show, as usual. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Apr 30 13:48:35 1999 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 18:48:35 +0100 Subject: OFF: Pink Fairies, 'Pleasure Island' In-Reply-To: <199904181603.RAA02284@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Sun, 18 Apr 1999, J Strobridge wrote: > > P.S. Jill - that Pink Fairies thing you have, 'Pleasure Island' - could > > you tell me who's in the band on it and when it came out? To fill a trivia > > gap... > > ummm - not absolutely sure - the sleeve is not informative and says only > that "Fairies on this disk are TWINK & PAUL [Rudolph]" If this is true > then it's just the two of them in a studio. It certainly sounds as if > there was someone else playing as well but with the miracles of > technology I guess two would have been sufficient if you just keep > overlaying the guitar work. Ah yes - I have one by that line-up from 1997 called 'No Picture' which is really really bad. There is one half-good track on it and another that nearly makes it that far and the rest is pants. I've nearly sold it, but it's a Hawkwind-connected album. This causes me Konscience problems. When was 'Pleasure Island' from again, or does the sleeve not say? Yours, Jon From henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Fri Apr 30 14:08:16 1999 From: henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:08:16 +0200 Subject: SV: OFF: Bedouin Message-ID: Hi there! I agree that Alan and his band was great but the first band was better I think and judging by the number of people in the crowd on each performance it was clear who were the favourites, or was I blind/deaf? The problem with Bedouin?s music is that we have all heard it before although it?s very heavy and well done. Dr Hasbeen is a new awesome act with plenty of great songs and new ideas, and with a real drummer they will "knock ?m dead" !!! They only negative was that they only could play for about 30 minutes. I?m sure that they easily could play up to 120 minutes with their own material added with some great HW-covers. Concerning encores; I wanted them back on stage but all but one stopped clapping and stomping after a while so I thought that this was it. The one who wanted more actually went on stage and tried get Bedouin?s back. Unfortunallly without any result. >>>If Neil wants to do a better review then me feel free coz I'm no expert at >>>this game. >> >>No, I can't really add any more than this. Sound was lovely and clear at the >>back where I was stood, and much better than Manchester mix. >> >>Alan's face was a picture when he realised the support were covering 'Urban >>Guerilla'... >> >>The lack of encore was simply a reflection of the lack of crowd noise at the >>end. Shame. >> >>Neil. > >I wish I'd made a note of the set list to be honest, I have to agree that >the sound was well rockin', the k/b fills and bits which Alan triggered >seemed to work very well, I have heard some say that he's better >without but I like them. > >As for 'Urban Guerilla", what can I say !! I forgot to put my mask >on for it though. It is one of my fave tracks and hopefully we'll be >slotting it on our release scheduled (hopefully) for late May or >early June. > >I would have liked LSD to have been played, but what the heck, I >laughed a bit when the band joined in with the more, more chants >though. A seriously fun night for me which didn't finish until >around 6 am on Thursday. > >> The "encore" is dead. People can't be bothered to make >>a lot of noise when they know you're coming back out anyway. >>Conversely, everyone knows some bands won't come back out and > >>play more no matter how much you clap and shout. Play until >>everyone sods off home, is my suggestion! Longer, if ya feel >>like it :) >> >>Cheers, >>Carl > >I gotta agree with this, but I think it's a sign of appreciation to >give it some, even when you know they ain't gonna go back >on the stage. > >Derby seems to be a bloody odd place when it comes to live >music anyway. The crowd always seem to enjoy >the gig but nobody ever wants to be seen to getting 'out of it', >which can be a pain sometimes. Ah well, that's folk... > >Cheers, Mark. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Please reply to mark at esparto.demon.co.uk >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > From andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK Fri Apr 30 15:11:01 1999 From: andrew at DELUMINATE.FREESERVE.CO.UK (andrew) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:11:01 +0100 Subject: OFF: Fwd: The Deviants-"Ptooff" CD on Alive has a skip? Message-ID: Hi all, this got posted to BOMP-L and when i saw the subject i thought someone here might know the answers to these questions. andrew, totally bummed at missing the Dr Hasbeen/Bedouin gig, but a friend's going away piss-up had to take precedence (and i couldn't convince any of 'em to go). Still, it was worth it for watching a mate get on his bike at 6am and fall off the other side. >Greetings, > >I've been wanting explain this for the longest time. A >while back I mail ordered The Deviants-"Ptooff" CD on >Alive Records from Bomp mail order. Well, when I got the >CD in the mail the first thing that I noticed was that >the "Ptooff" CD wasn't wrapped it had no shrink paper on >it. So, I was sort of pissed on that but then I said who >cares and just turned on the CD. But then when I was >listening to the CD during the song "Child Of The Sky" I >noticed a skip in the song. It was during the part of >the song where Mick says "and bearded ancient prophet" >when Mick sings "bearded" it skips and the word is >repeated. I was really pissed because "Child OF The Sky" >is like one of the best songs on CD. Has anyone noticed >the skip in this CD? Did this skip happen in the master >tapes or something? Or did somebody at Bomp send me a >fucked up used copy of the Deviants "Ptooff" CD? > >smashedblocked at hotmail.com > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > From riordan at AUSTIN.RR.COM Fri Apr 30 19:12:22 1999 From: riordan at AUSTIN.RR.COM (Phillip A Jaeger) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 18:12:22 -0500 Subject: hello Message-ID: after a long period w/ no email I am back. riordan