From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Tue Sep 1 12:57:56 1998 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:57:56 EST Subject: HW: New Era? (WAS: I've got a sausage machine) In-Reply-To: <35EB4D43.1DC4548D@uq.net.au>; from "Max Wilcox" at Sep 1, 98 11:26:30 am Message-ID: > Lastly, I'd love to see the band get a dedicated synth player back > into the fold. Nuff said... > > - Max Wilcox > I agree totally re: a dedicated keyboard player,I guess Crum was just a "guest" on last years tour. Maybe with Dave talking to Tim Blake & Harvey re: ledge of Darkness,something can be sorted out. But will it happen thats the big question,and would it be a one-off reunion gig ala gong (which then took off permanently again ,all except blake ? does anyone know why he didn't carry on after the birthday gig ?)or will it be a full tour both in the uk and overseas. I would like to see something along the lines of the butterworth books,with the band playing for 10 hours or so. Also does anyone know where I can get hold of Harveys "red shift" ? regards Marty(going back in the Box) From paul at GROMIT.NDLTD.ORG Tue Sep 1 00:44:38 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.NDLTD.ORG (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 00:44:38 -0400 Subject: OFF: Willie Dixon Led Zeppelin lawsuit Message-ID: I was just listening to the Willie Dixon Chess Box Set this evening, and, listening to CD 2, it made me wonder if Willie Dixon ever won his lawsuit against Led Zeppelin for their "Whole Lotta Love" single? (It bears *more* than a passing resemblance to the song he wrote for Muddy Waters, called "You Need Love.") Actually, Zeppelin appear to have covered quite a few of Dixon's songs: "You Shook Me," "Bring It On Home" (on-topic HW reference:), and "I Can't Quit You Baby." (I notice they don't credit him on "Bring It On Home," at least not on the copy of _Led Zeppelin II_ I have to hand. Tsk, tsk, shame on them...) Cheers, Paul. ob2CD: Willie Dixon, _The Chess Box_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Sep 1 04:32:27 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 09:32:27 +0100 Subject: OFF: Willie Dixon Led Zeppelin lawsuit Message-ID: Yes he did as did many others, and all rereleases have the full credits. For example "Whole Lotta Love" is now a Page/Plant/Jones/Bonham/Dixon credit, "Baby Come On Home" has a Page/Plant/Bert Berns credit and "Travelling Riverside Blues" has a Page/Plant/Robert Johnson credit. Just a shame Mr Dixon didn't get the money when he was alive. Z NP Ted Nugent - Free For All Paul Mather wrote: > I was just listening to the Willie Dixon Chess Box Set this evening, > and, listening to CD 2, it made me wonder if Willie Dixon ever won his > lawsuit against Led Zeppelin for their "Whole Lotta Love" single? (It > bears *more* than a passing resemblance to the song he wrote for Muddy > Waters, called "You Need Love.") > > Actually, Zeppelin appear to have covered quite a few of Dixon's songs: > "You Shook Me," "Bring It On Home" (on-topic HW reference:), and "I > Can't Quit You Baby." (I notice they don't credit him on "Bring It On > Home," at least not on the copy of _Led Zeppelin II_ I have to hand. > Tsk, tsk, shame on them...) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > ob2CD: Willie Dixon, _The Chess Box_ > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" > --- James Marshall Hendrix -- ================================================================= ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 =========================================================================== From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue Sep 1 08:06:43 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 08:06:43 -0400 Subject: OFF: Willie Dixon Led Zeppelin lawsuit Message-ID: Paul said: >I was just listening to the Willie Dixon Chess Box Set this evening, >and, listening to CD 2, it made me wonder if Willie Dixon ever won his >lawsuit against Led Zeppelin for their "Whole Lotta Love" single? (It >bears *more* than a passing resemblance to the song he wrote for Muddy >Waters, called "You Need Love.") I have the Zep Box Set II, and songs are credited to Dixon (and I think some are listed as Page/Plant/Dixon, but I haven't looked at the credits lately.) This would be from the early '90s. >Actually, Zeppelin appear to have covered quite a few of Dixon's songs: >"You Shook Me," "Bring It On Home" (on-topic HW reference:), and "I >Can't Quit You Baby." (I notice they don't credit him on "Bring It On >Home," at least not on the copy of _Led Zeppelin II_ I have to hand. >Tsk, tsk, shame on them...) My favorite is "How Many More Times", which rips-off every bluesman who ever even heard of Chicago ;-) Brian ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html "We are drawing a moustache on the wanted poster of the face of music." -Fierce Wicker ---------- >Cheers, > >Paul. > >ob2CD: Willie Dixon, _The Chess Box_ > >e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > >"I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" > --- James Marshall Hendrix From CWUDDLY at AOL.COM Tue Sep 1 08:33:51 1998 From: CWUDDLY at AOL.COM ( C WuddlyAaol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 08:33:51 EDT Subject: Gig Dates For: FatFinger(with ex Hawkwind Mick Slattery)& Psychodelic Blues Message-ID: Friday 4th September FatFinger Psychodelic Blues The Duke Of Cornwall Lyham Road Brixton S.W.2 from 9pm FREE FatFinger Lead Guitarist: Mick Slattery ex co founder member of Hawkwind From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Sep 1 09:23:04 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 09:23:04 -0400 Subject: OFF: Willie Dixon Led Zeppelin lawsuit In-Reply-To: <35EBB119.B1EB7BEF@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Sep 1998, Stuart A Hamilton wrote: => Yes he did as did many others, and all rereleases have the full credits. => For example "Whole Lotta Love" is now a Page/Plant/Jones/Bonham/Dixon => credit, "Baby Come On Home" has a Page/Plant/Bert Berns credit and => "Travelling Riverside Blues" has a Page/Plant/Robert Johnson credit. Odd, that, because the CD I have of _Led Zeppelin II_ is the remastered version (the ones that appeared after the two box sets)---it is (C) 1994---and it doesn't credit Dixon anywhere I can find. It's strange that they do credit Memphis Minnie on "When the Levee Breaks." I wonder if they were starting to feel a bit guilty by then, and that it marked their start of proper attribution? :-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Mountain, _Twin Peaks_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Sep 1 09:41:56 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:41:56 +0100 Subject: OFF: Willie Dixon Led Zeppelin lawsuit Message-ID: The BBC stuff that came out last year had the correct credits. The legal cases were still ongoing at the time of Remasters so I assume that these honest, law abiding non-plagiarising Zeppelin bods were simply waiting to be legally forced into admissions of guilt and restitution. Of course, if they choose to rip off Robert Johnson these days it's out of copyright, so no cash! Z NP Cameo - Word Up Paul Mather wrote: > On Tue, 1 Sep 1998, Stuart A Hamilton wrote: > > => Yes he did as did many others, and all rereleases have the full credits. > => For example "Whole Lotta Love" is now a Page/Plant/Jones/Bonham/Dixon > => credit, "Baby Come On Home" has a Page/Plant/Bert Berns credit and > => "Travelling Riverside Blues" has a Page/Plant/Robert Johnson credit. > > Odd, that, because the CD I have of _Led Zeppelin II_ is the remastered > version (the ones that appeared after the two box sets)---it is (C) > 1994---and it doesn't credit Dixon anywhere I can find. > > It's strange that they do credit Memphis Minnie on "When the Levee > Breaks." I wonder if they were starting to feel a bit guilty by then, > and that it marked their start of proper attribution? :-) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > obCD: Mountain, _Twin Peaks_ > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" > --- James Marshall Hendrix -- ================================================================= ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 =========================================================================== From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Sep 1 05:00:34 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:00:34 +0100 Subject: OFF: Willie Dixon Led Zeppelin lawsuit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Paul Mather writes >I was just listening to the Willie Dixon Chess Box Set this evening, >and, listening to CD 2, it made me wonder if Willie Dixon ever won his >lawsuit against Led Zeppelin for their "Whole Lotta Love" single? (It >bears *more* than a passing resemblance to the song he wrote for Muddy >Waters, called "You Need Love.") > >Actually, Zeppelin appear to have covered quite a few of Dixon's songs: >"You Shook Me," "Bring It On Home" (on-topic HW reference:), and "I >Can't Quit You Baby." (I notice they don't credit him on "Bring It On >Home," at least not on the copy of _Led Zeppelin II_ I have to hand. >Tsk, tsk, shame on them...) Yes, he did. Which is why Page _now_ feels entitled to chase up bands like Pearl Jam, whereas before he would have let it go, knowing it was a pot, kettle, black situation. -- Jon From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Sep 1 10:56:24 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:56:24 -0400 Subject: BOC - Al use of a gas mask?? Message-ID: Thanks for this info Al - so, when do all the Surgeons put on surgical masks for the tBS pyro? ;-) John From mitchgo at MICROSOFT.COM Tue Sep 1 12:28:29 1998 From: mitchgo at MICROSOFT.COM (Mitch Goldman) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 09:28:29 -0700 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 31 Aug 1998 to 1 Sep 1998 Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Automatic digest processor [mailto:LISTSERV at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] > Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 1998 2:01 AM > To: Recipients of BOC-L digests > Subject: BOC-L Digest - 31 Aug 1998 to 1 Sep 1998 > > > There are 14 messages totalling 466 lines in this issue. > > Topics of the day: > > 1. HW: The Truth/ > 2. Question about Imaginos Tour > 3. OFF: ROCK FAMILY TREES / ROCK COVER VERSIONS > 4. BRAIN: Thoughts about the new album (2) > 5. OFF: Molly Hatchet > 6. BOC - Al use of a gas mask?? (2) > 7. I've got a sausage machine (2) > 8. HW: New Era? (WAS: I've got a sausage machine) (2) > 9. OFF: Willie Dixon Led Zeppelin lawsuit (2) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 11:22:08 +0100 > From: M Holmes > Subject: Re: HW: The Truth/ > > Bob Lennon writes: > > > In a message dated 98-08-26 07:00:04 EDT, you write: > > > > << On Aug 26, 10:50am, M Holmes wrote: > > > > >HIM???? He works for Bill Clinton. He has your FBI file. > > > > Yup, but you and I got his, right? > > > > >FoFP > > > > Arjan H >> > > no,,,,but i have his tie > > The question is: who has his humidor? > > FoFP > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 08:35:33 EDT > From: Rich Hamel > Subject: Re: Question about Imaginos Tour > > In a message dated 98-08-31 05:30:26 EDT, you write: > > << K wrote: > > > Do any of you know if BOC ever played Imaginos in its > entirety after its > release in 1988? > > No, they did not. I believe they only things they ever > played were "I Am the > One...", "Astronomy", and "In the Presence of Another World". > > -Chris Baker > >> > > I THINK when I saw them on this tour (at the Club Casino in > Hampton, NH) they > played Del Rio's Song, but I'm not sure. They definitely > played "I am the one" > and "Astronomy" (with the single guitar notes of the old > version breaking into > the quicker guitar intro of the newer one). They also did "In > the Presence". > > I doubt they did any of the other songs, since they are much more of a > production, given the lighter gear BOC's been carrying around > the last 10+ > years. > > Rich > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:47:41 +0100 > From: Stuart A Hamilton > Subject: OFF: ROCK FAMILY TREES / ROCK COVER VERSIONS > > The previously mentioned BBC Rock Family Trees starts Friday > 4 September. The six programmes are; > Folk Rock [Mamas & The Papas / Lovin Spoonful] > Sabbath Bloody Sabbath > The Mersey Sound > Banshees And Other Creatures > The Prog Rock Years > And God Created Manchester. > > A further aside. Trapped in a hospital ward last week with > three seventeen year olds I was subjected to MTV for 4 whole > days. And as a collector of cover versions I was hit in the > pocket by dance versions of "I Love Rock And Roll" which has > re-emerged as "Everybody Get Up" by 5IVE, "Paradise City" by > N-TRANCE and "You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet" by BUS STOP which > actually has Randy Bachman in the video looking like Jerry > Garcia. And do you know what was worst of all. None of my > ward mates remembered any of the originals. > > God, I feel old. > > Z > NP - 5IVE - Everybody Get Up > > -- > ================================================================= > > ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at > http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com > > Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK > > Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 > > ============================================================== > ============== > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 09:26:10 -0400 > From: brian halligan > Subject: Re: BRAIN: Thoughts about the new album > > Andrew said: > > >I don't mind the URL pointing to a place to get lyrics instead > >of printing them, as a cost saving move..... though I would > >like it if said site had something you could print out (say, on > >.pdf that would be usable on any system) as liner notes.... > > Great idea. That way you could use the booklet like Frank Zappa did > with "You Are What You Is," and throw in an essay or article. Maybe > even some band-produced artwork a la "Career of Christmas"? > > >My latest prediction for the album title: > >"Premedication" > > "Pox Set" > > Brian > > ---------- > Brian Halligan > mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com > http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html > > "We are drawing a moustache on the wanted poster of the face > of music." > -Fierce Wicker > ---------- > > > And he took the stars in his hands > > and as he scattered them he'd shout: > > "I'm the Joker of the Universe! > > I'm What it's all about!" > > > > - "The Great Sun Jester" > > by Blue ?yster Cult (Eric Bloom, Michael Moorcock) > > > >-AAA > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 07:19:13 -0700 > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > Subject: OFF: Molly Hatchet > > >Isn't it amazing how this sort of stuff is still big in Germany? :) > > > >Hard rock & heavy metal always were big in Germany. Don't > ask me why.... > > Cake... > > They know good beer and good rock and roll when they hear it... > > Ghost in the Ruins > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 11:02:50 -0400 > From: Paul Mather > Subject: Re: BRAIN: Thoughts about the new album > > On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, brian halligan wrote: > > => Andrew said: > => > => >I don't mind the URL pointing to a place to get lyrics instead > => >of printing them, as a cost saving move..... though I would > => >like it if said site had something you could print out (say, on > => >.pdf that would be usable on any system) as liner notes.... > => > => Great idea. That way you could use the booklet like Frank > Zappa did > => with "You Are What You Is," and throw in an essay or article. > > Except Frank printed the lyrics in that booklet... > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > obCD: Egg, _Egg_ > > PS: At the very least you'd want PURLs or handles, not URLs. > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" > --- James Marshall Hendrix > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:41:22 -0400 > From: John A Swartz > Subject: BOC - Al use of a gas mask?? > > Can anyone (preferably Al) confirm or deny this? The > following post was > recently posted to USENET: > > "Even though it's really hard to think about much of > anything, what with the > terrible news about Ricky, I decided I had better post this > before I forget > it. > About a week ago, I met a fellow at a really cool used record > store who was > a big fan of B C around the Secret Treaties era... he had a > lot to say about > the laser show that was to come later, but he also mentioned > something I > thought was interesting about Albert Bouchard when they did > Me262 during the > Agents of Fortune and Spectres tours: he said that somewhere > towards the > end of the song (presumably after the five guitars), Albert > would be wearing > a German style gas-mask. Eventually, rockets would shoot > from either side > of Al's drums, and he would then take the mask off and throw > it into the > crowd. He claimed to have actually had one of these masks > for a time, and > as a kid had painted the Kronos symbol on the front of it > with blue paint > (and, of course, since lost it somewhere along the line). > I guess my question is, can anyone else substantiate this? > If so, I really > think it ought to be added to the BOC FAQ... I think this has > to be at least > as interesting as where it mentions that they used to use > colored lights in > ETI during the "queen in yellow and king in red" line..." > > > John > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:07:11 +0100 > From: Brian Coulthard > Subject: I've got a sausage machine > > Did anyone see the Reeves and Mortimer show on Saturday on > BBC1 when Vic > Reeves sang a rather unusual version of Silver Machine while > some one was > stuffing a sausage. He changed the words to "I've got a > sausage machine" > > > On the subject of the proposed Ledge of Darkness tour while > it could be the > Hawks finest hour well hour and a half I hope the current > line up does not > get neglected as Rizz, Richards and Tree have got the > potential to make some > of the freshest and most interesting music for years. Could > they support? > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:39:46 -0400 > From: "Hall, Russell J" > Subject: Re: I've got a sausage machine > > I love to grind > with a sausage machine > and I'm still pretty keen > Do you want to grind > forequarters & hind > making some links, > right next to the sink > It works like a dream > and antiseptically clean > thats my sausage Machine > I love to grind > with my sausage machine > > Do you want to grind > > forequarters & hind > stuffing those skins, > made from cow intestines > > I know what you are saying - these lyrics are the 'wurst' > > > > > ---------- > > From: Brian Coulthard[SMTP:brian-coulthard at EMAIL.MSN.COM] > > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > > Sent: Monday, August 31, 1998 2:07 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > > Subject: I've got a sausage machine > > > > Did anyone see the Reeves and Mortimer show on Saturday on > BBC1 when Vic > > Reeves sang a rather unusual version of Silver Machine > while some one was > > stuffing a sausage. He changed the words to "I've got a > sausage machine" > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 18:52:23 -0400 > From: Albert T Bouchard > Subject: Re: BOC - Al use of a gas mask?? > > >end of the song (presumably after the five guitars), Albert > would be wearing > >a German style gas-mask. Eventually, rockets would shoot > from either side > > I only did it for a few shows. I got the mask from Dick Manitoba at a > 'Taters show and wore it for a while until I got tired of it > and threw it > to the crowd one night. It was from the Army/Navy store on > 14th street. > Don't know if it was German. Doubt it though. I also wore a > gas mask in the > Regal Tones (high school band) whenever we played at the > American Legion > (because of the smoke). We always had pyro ever since we > played with Kiss. > I don't remember any actual rockets though. > > >of Al's drums, and he would then take the mask off and throw > it into the > >crowd. He claimed to have actually had one of these masks > for a time, and > >as a kid had painted the Kronos symbol on the front of it > with blue paint > > That was probably it. > Al > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:26:30 +1000 > From: Max Wilcox > Subject: HW: New Era? (WAS: I've got a sausage machine) > > Brian Coulthard wrote: > > > On the subject of the proposed Ledge of Darkness tour while > it could be the > > Hawks finest hour well hour and a half I hope the current > line up does not > > get neglected as Rizz, Richards and Tree have got the > potential to make some > > of the freshest and most interesting music for years. Could > they support? > > Assuming that all of these rumors are true (or > even a small > percentage of them are true) it looks like the Hawks could > quite possibly make a > come-back. Its certainly what they need, considering the > fiasco with Distant > Horizons (i.e. the complete lack of marketing & the overall rush job). > As far as Rizz, Richards & Tree being a part of > the new stuff - I > think they should (and most likely will). The Hawks have > never been too worried > about having a large number of members in the band (more than > 3 or 4, that is) - > and IMHO that is when they have done some of their best > stuff. Having diverse > influences was always what kept them going - Calvert's > singing/lyrics or Huw's > guitar vs Brock, etc., etc. > Lastly, I'd love to see the band get a dedicated > synth player back > into the fold. Nuff said... > > - Max Wilcox > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:57:56 EST > From: Martyn Lawrence > Subject: Re: HW: New Era? (WAS: I've got a sausage machine) > > > Lastly, I'd love to see the band get a > dedicated synth player back > > into the fold. Nuff said... > > > > - Max Wilcox > > > I agree totally re: a dedicated keyboard player,I guess Crum > was just a > "guest" on last years tour. > Maybe with Dave talking to Tim Blake & Harvey re: ledge of > Darkness,something > can be sorted out. > But will it happen thats the big question,and would it be a > one-off reunion > gig ala gong (which then took off permanently again ,all > except blake ? > does anyone know why he didn't carry on after the birthday > gig ?)or will it > be a full tour both in the uk and overseas. > I would like to see something along the lines of the > butterworth books,with the > band playing for 10 hours or so. > > Also does anyone know where I can get hold of Harveys "red shift" ? > > regards > > Marty(going back in the Box) > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 00:44:38 -0400 > From: Paul Mather > Subject: OFF: Willie Dixon Led Zeppelin lawsuit > > I was just listening to the Willie Dixon Chess Box Set this evening, > and, listening to CD 2, it made me wonder if Willie Dixon ever won his > lawsuit against Led Zeppelin for their "Whole Lotta Love" single? (It > bears *more* than a passing resemblance to the song he wrote for Muddy > Waters, called "You Need Love.") > > Actually, Zeppelin appear to have covered quite a few of > Dixon's songs: > "You Shook Me," "Bring It On Home" (on-topic HW reference:), and "I > Can't Quit You Baby." (I notice they don't credit him on "Bring It On > Home," at least not on the copy of _Led Zeppelin II_ I have to hand. > Tsk, tsk, shame on them...) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > ob2CD: Willie Dixon, _The Chess Box_ > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" > --- James Marshall Hendrix > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 09:32:27 +0100 > From: Stuart A Hamilton > Subject: Re: OFF: Willie Dixon Led Zeppelin lawsuit > > Yes he did as did many others, and all rereleases have the > full credits. > For example "Whole Lotta Love" is now a Page/Plant/Jones/Bonham/Dixon > credit, "Baby Come On Home" has a Page/Plant/Bert Berns credit and > "Travelling Riverside Blues" has a Page/Plant/Robert Johnson credit. > > Just a shame Mr Dixon didn't get the money when he was alive. > > Z > NP Ted Nugent - Free For All > > Paul Mather wrote: > > > I was just listening to the Willie Dixon Chess Box Set this evening, > > and, listening to CD 2, it made me wonder if Willie Dixon > ever won his > > lawsuit against Led Zeppelin for their "Whole Lotta Love" > single? (It > > bears *more* than a passing resemblance to the song he > wrote for Muddy > > Waters, called "You Need Love.") > > > > Actually, Zeppelin appear to have covered quite a few of > Dixon's songs: > > "You Shook Me," "Bring It On Home" (on-topic HW reference:), and "I > > Can't Quit You Baby." (I notice they don't credit him on > "Bring It On > > Home," at least not on the copy of _Led Zeppelin II_ I have to hand. > > Tsk, tsk, shame on them...) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Paul. > > > > ob2CD: Willie Dixon, _The Chess Box_ > > > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > > > "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" > > --- James Marshall Hendrix > > -- > ================================================================= > ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com > > Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK > > Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 > > ============================================================== > ============== > > ------------------------------ > > End of BOC-L Digest - 31 Aug 1998 to 1 Sep 1998 > *********************************************** > From mitchgo at MICROSOFT.COM Tue Sep 1 12:32:20 1998 From: mitchgo at MICROSOFT.COM (Mitch Goldman) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 09:32:20 -0700 Subject: imaginos tour Message-ID: oops my mailer may have sent the whole digest back before I had replied...sorry for that gang. ;-) > > Do any of you know if BOC ever played Imaginos in its > entirety after its > release in 1988? > > No, they did not. I believe they only things they ever > played were "I Am the > One...", "Astronomy", and "In the Presence of Another World". if anyone cares, here's the setlist for the IMAGINOS show from the old Ritz in NYC: THE RITZ, NYC 1/6/89 RU Ready 2 Rokc Dominance and Submission ETI I Am the One Buck's Boogie Astronomy Take Me Away In the Presence-> Flaming Telepaths Cities on Flame Joan Crawford Burnin' For You Godzilla (Don't Fear) The Reaper Encores: Then Came the Last Days of May The Golden Age of Leather-> The Red and The Black length: 2 hours MG From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Sep 1 22:04:04 1998 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:04:04 PDT Subject: tBS: New pix online Message-ID: Hi kids.... Yeah yeah, I know. The lurker speaks. Just so you all know, I recently got the pictures I snapped a few years ago at a tBS gig scanned in and put on my web page. These were taken at the MEGA-gig of 33 songs tBS performed at Spirits tavern in Auburn NY. They aren't the best pictures in the world, but you can at least tell it's tBS up there and not the Spice Girls or someone. Heh heh.... My web page addie is in my sig, and the section is easy to pull up as it's listed at the top in the "new additions" section. Enjoy!!!!! Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** Torgo at norwich.net DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos *********************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From mark.robertson at VIRGIN.NET Wed Sep 2 04:36:24 1998 From: mark.robertson at VIRGIN.NET (mark.robertson@virgin.net) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 09:36:24 +0100 Subject: OFF: New Digital pics. Message-ID: The first in a series of digital images, based on Hawkwind LPs and ideas is now up for your inspection. Comments are always welcome Mark http://freespace.virgin.net/mark.robertson/wind.htm From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Wed Sep 2 09:03:02 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 09:03:02 -0400 Subject: tBS: New pix online Message-ID: Torgo said: >Just so you all know, I recently got the pictures I snapped a few years >ago at a tBS gig scanned in and put on my web page. These were taken at >the MEGA-gig of 33 songs tBS performed at Spirits tavern in Auburn NY. Wow, was it that long ago? Time does fly. Thanks for posting the pics. It brought back some memories of a great show! John: What's the word on the pic I sent you? When do you think you'll be able to update? Brian obCD> Radio Birdman "Radios Appear" ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html "We are drawing a moustache on the wanted poster of the face of music." -Fierce Wicker ---------- >*********************************************** >Torgo at norwich.net DrTorgo at hotmail.com >http://welcome.to/torgos >*********************************************** From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Sep 2 10:42:04 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:42:04 -0400 Subject: tBS: New pix online Message-ID: Brian: Got the pic, and will put it up on my page eventually. Other personal committments have kept me away from changes to my BOC/tBS pages lately, but I have scanned it, and will get it up there eventually (soon, I hope). John From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Wed Sep 2 22:49:24 1998 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 22:49:24 EDT Subject: Off: Robert Calvert Ejection Message-ID: hello, i am looking for a stock copy of Robert Calvert "ejection" 7" on UA USA a friend saw my copy and now wants one of his own... any1 has one 4 trade let me know... bob http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Wed Sep 2 22:58:02 1998 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 22:58:02 EDT Subject: Off: Robert Calvert Ejection Message-ID: hello, i am looking for a stock copy of Robert Calvert "ejection" 7" on UA USA a friend saw my copy and now wants one of his own... any1 has one 4 trade OR SELL let me know... bob http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Thu Sep 3 00:50:53 1998 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 00:50:53 -0400 Subject: You have a postcard! Message-ID: Confidential! For BOC/HW mailing list only! Karen has sent you a postcard from Send-A-Song You may pick it up from the postbox located at http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Cafe/1305/kards.htm Your ticket number is: 0300505327378 Come back to Kim's Blueprint Page soon! From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Thu Sep 3 01:55:09 1998 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:55:09 +1000 Subject: OFF: New Jerry Cornelius Story Message-ID: Hi all, Just thought some people who don't nkow about it may be interested... Theres a new Jerry Cornelius story Michael Moorcock at a site called "The Edge". It's titled "The Spencer Inheritance" - Jerrys' back in form, even though he's getting on a bit. It was released a few days ago, coincidentally (of course) on the same day as the 1 yr anaversary of Diana's death... The URL is:- http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~houghtong/ Enjoy... - Max From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Thu Sep 3 02:52:15 1998 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 00:52:15 -0600 Subject: Off-acoustic tunes Message-ID: Hi all! An odd question here-I'm remembering a pair of, South American , possibly Peruvian guitarists that went by the name of" Los Indios Trabajaros". I remember very nice spanish & acoustic guitar. Any help here? I'd kinda like to refresh my memories!! And possibly find them on cd:) Thanx! Rock on! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool That would be; Los Indios Tabajaras were a pair of Brazilian indian brothers, Mussapere and Herundy, who were the songs of a Tabajara indian chieftain who lived in the Cera jungle in Northern Brazil. According to legend, the pair found a guitar in the jungle and taught themselves how to play the instrument. Eventually, the two brothers visited Rio De Janeiro, where they played Tabajaran folk songs in night clubs. They continued to practice, adding classical and folk styles to their sound. The brothers recorded a Mexican folk song, "Maria Elena," for a Mexican label in 1958. The record became such a big hit, selling consistently over the years, that RCA Records decided to release the single in the US. Surprisingly, "Maria Elena" sailed into the Top 10 in the fall of 1963. It eventually sold over a million copies worldwide. Following the Top 10 placing of "Maria Elena," RCA rushed the duo into the studio to record an album of Mexican and pop standards. The album went Top 10 as well. In the spring of 1964, Los Indios Tabajaras recoded the title song from Kay Francis' 1942 film, Always in My Heart. The single failed to match the success of its predecessor, peaking at a mesely number 82. An album entitled Always in My Heart appeared before the group faded away from the pop spotlight, retiring to a moderately successful career in Mexcio You can get "Best Ofs" for about $10 from virtually any of the on-line retailers. Z NP David Lee Roth - California Girls [on the TV] Cliff and Pam Wheaton wrote: > Hi all! > An odd question here-I'm remembering a pair of, South American , > possibly Peruvian > guitarists that went by the name of" Los Indios Trabajaros". I remember > very nice spanish & acoustic guitar. Any help here? I'd kinda like to > refresh my memories!! And possibly find them on cd:) > Thanx! > Rock on! > Pam > > -- > Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton > ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool > O O "THE INTERNET" > E-mail: cwheaton at TransWestTaxi.com > http://www.TransWestTaxi.com -- ================================================================= ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 =========================================================================== From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Sep 3 05:12:34 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:12:34 +0100 Subject: Off-acoustic tunes Message-ID: Stuart A Hamilton wrote: > That would be; > > Los Indios Tabajaras were a pair of Brazilian indian brothers, > Mussapere > and Herundy, who were the songs of a Tabajara indian chieftain who > lived in > the Cera jungle in Northern Brazil. According to legend, the pair > found a > guitar in the jungle and taught themselves how to play the instrument. > > Eventually, the two brothers visited Rio De Janeiro, where they played > > Tabajaran folk songs in night clubs. They continued to practice, > adding > classical and folk styles to their sound. The brothers recorded a > Mexican > folk song, "Maria Elena," for a Mexican label in 1958. The record > became > such a big hit, selling consistently over the years, that RCA Records > decided to release the single in the US. Surprisingly, "Maria Elena" > sailed > into the Top 10 in the fall of 1963. It eventually sold over a million > > copies worldwide. > > Following the Top 10 placing of "Maria Elena," RCA rushed the duo into > the > studio > to record an album of Mexican and pop standards. The album went Top > 10 as > well. > In the spring of 1964, Los Indios Tabajaras recoded the title song > from Kay > > Francis' 1942 film, Always in My Heart. The single failed to match the > > success of > its predecessor, peaking at a mesely number 82. An album entitled > Always in > My > Heart appeared before the group faded away from the pop spotlight, > retiring > to a > moderately successful career in Mexcio > > You can get "Best Ofs" for about $10 from virtually any of the on-line > > retailers. You want to get out more. :-) My dog got put down on Tuesday. :-( Cheers, Rich. ** "Mind the oranges, Marlon!" ** From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Sep 3 06:15:33 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:15:33 +0100 Subject: Off-acoustic tunes Message-ID: Rich Lockwood wrote: > Stuart A Hamilton wrote: > > > That would be; > > > > Los Indios Tabajaras were a pair of Brazilian indian brothers, > > You want to get out more. :-) > > My dog got put down on Tuesday. :-( > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > ** "Mind the oranges, Marlon!" ** I'm sorry about your dog. I remember weeping for days when I saw my beloved Border collie, Judy being put down. :-( However, I can't get out. I'm lying in a hospital bed, dictating e-mails and the only pleasure I'll get for the next few weeks is making my assistants life hell by sending as many e-mails as I can, of inordinate length. Oh, and putting in words she has trouble spelling. :-) Due soon on BOC-L, the history of Azarbejhani folk music (and I suspect that'll have an interesting spelling! Later. Z -- ================================================================= ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 =========================================================================== From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Sep 3 07:47:17 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:47:17 +0100 Subject: Off-acoustic tunes Message-ID: Stuart A Hamilton wrote: > Rich Lockwood wrote: > > > Stuart A Hamilton wrote: > > > > > That would be; > > > > > > Los Indios Tabajaras were a pair of Brazilian indian brothers, > > > > You want to get out more. :-) > > > > My dog got put down on Tuesday. :-( > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rich. > > > > ** "Mind the oranges, Marlon!" ** > > I'm sorry about your dog. I remember weeping for days when I saw my > beloved > Border collie, Judy being put down. :-( > > However, I can't get out. I'm lying in a hospital bed, dictating > e-mails > and the only pleasure I'll get for the next few weeks is making my > assistants life hell by sending as many e-mails as I can, of > inordinate > length. Oh, and putting in words she has trouble spelling. :-) Due > soon on > BOC-L, the history of Azarbejhani folk music (and I suspect that'll > have an > interesting spelling! > > Later. > > Z Eek. How many more BOC-Lers have had a border collie put down in the last few weeks? Total two and counting. *sniff* Get well soon. Thanks. R. From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Thu Sep 3 09:07:08 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:07:08 -0400 Subject: You have a postcard! Message-ID: Document Contains No Data. Thanks for the thought, tho'. rj Karen Kusic wrote: > > Confidential! For BOC/HW mailing list only! > > Karen has sent you a postcard from Send-A-Song > > You may pick it up from the postbox located at > > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Cafe/1305/kards.htm > > Your ticket number is: 0300505327378 > > Come back to Kim's Blueprint Page soon! From arjanh at CS.VU.NL Thu Sep 3 09:15:14 1998 From: arjanh at CS.VU.NL (Hulsebos A) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:15:14 +0200 Subject: You have a postcard! In-Reply-To: sprawl "Re: You have a postcard!" (Sep 3, 9:07am) Message-ID: On Sep 3, 9:07am, sprawl wrote: >Document Contains No Data. >Thanks for the thought, tho'. So, who did read it (and what was in it)? >rj Arjan H From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Sep 3 09:35:44 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:35:44 -0400 Subject: You have a postcard! In-Reply-To: <9809031515.ZM18881@cs.vu.nl> Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Hulsebos A wrote: => On Sep 3, 9:07am, sprawl wrote: => => >Document Contains No Data. => >Thanks for the thought, tho'. => => So, who did read it (and what was in it)? Here's what I got when I looked at the postcard: ----------------------- [...] here is a postcard for you, BOC/HW mailing list from Karen [INLINE] BOC on an electronic postcard site? [EMBED] [...] ----------------------- Oh, I guess it would probably have been more exciting if I weren't using the lynx browser... :-) Cheers, Paul. obRemaster: Jethro Tull, _Aqualung_, DCC Gold reissue e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Sep 3 09:54:05 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:54:05 +0100 Subject: You have a postcard! In-Reply-To: <35EE947C.29FD4EBA@blackboard.com> Message-ID: Oh - I looked at it this morning and it worked - is it a once-only deal??? It was an image of a card with the lyrics to "Don't Fear the Reaper" on it. Karen - I got the impression this was a stock image from a catalogue? And correct me if I'm wrong, but as I recall the lyrics were uncredited. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of sprawl > Sent: 03 September 1998 14:07 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: You have a postcard! > > > Document Contains No Data. > Thanks for the thought, tho'. > rj > > Karen Kusic wrote: > > > > Confidential! For BOC/HW mailing list only! > > > > Karen has sent you a postcard from Send-A-Song > > > > You may pick it up from the postbox located at > > > > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Cafe/1305/kards.htm > > > > Your ticket number is: 0300505327378 > > > > Come back to Kim's Blueprint Page soon! > From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Thu Sep 3 10:13:05 1998 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:13:05 EDT Subject: You have a postcard! Message-ID: It also plays a not too bad rendition of Reaper. I guess the lyrics are there so you can sing along... R. From des at SUPERLINK.NET Thu Sep 3 10:50:26 1998 From: des at SUPERLINK.NET (E F) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:50:26 -0400 Subject: You have a postcard! Message-ID: Paul Mather wrote: > > On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Hulsebos A wrote: > > => On Sep 3, 9:07am, sprawl wrote: > => > => >Document Contains No Data. > => >Thanks for the thought, tho'. > => > => So, who did read it (and what was in it)? > > Here's what I got when I looked at the postcard: > > ----------------------- > [...] > here is a postcard for you, BOC/HW mailing list > from Karen > > [INLINE] > > BOC on an electronic postcard site? > > [EMBED] > > [...] > ----------------------- > > Oh, I guess it would probably have been more exciting if I weren't using > the lynx browser... :-) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > obRemaster: Jethro Tull, _Aqualung_, DCC Gold reissue > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" > --- James Marshall Hendrix I viewed it with NS and got a very nice graphic with the first two verses of 'Reaper' on it in a Tekton style font. I think it was supposed to have music too, but the laptop doesn't do sound (anyone got a laptop with PCMCIA slots they wanna' sell kinda' cheap??). I'll see if I can find the card in my cache folder and I'll put it in my web closet. Karen, this was a nice thing to do. Later. --EF -- Words to live by from my cat: -If I had two dead mice, I'd give you one. From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Thu Sep 3 10:48:48 1998 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 14:48:48 GMT Subject: You have a postcard! In-Reply-To: <9809031515.ZM18881@cs.vu.nl> Message-ID: Hulsebos A wrote: >On Sep 3, 9:07am, sprawl wrote: > >>Document Contains No Data. >>Thanks for the thought, tho'. > >So, who did read it (and what was in it)? > You should have a 4.x browser and Java (maybe ActiveX for IE users) enabled. It is The Reaper lyrics on a JPG theme, and midi in the background. Goran Janicijevic From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Sep 3 11:32:43 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:32:43 +0100 Subject: Nektar reunion Message-ID: For those who Remember the Future you can be welcomed to the future once again on www.nektar.com FoFP From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Sep 3 11:35:02 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 16:35:02 +0100 Subject: You have a postcard! In-Reply-To: <35EEACB2.534A@superlink.net> Message-ID: > I viewed it with NS and got a very nice graphic with the first two > verses of 'Reaper' on it in a Tekton style font. All three verses if you wait long enough :) - Andy ObCD: 4 hero - _Two Pages_ ObBook: Pete Frame - _More Rock Family Trees_ (humongous Sabbath tree!) mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Thu Sep 3 12:36:12 1998 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:36:12 -0500 Subject: You have a postcard! Message-ID: Hi! I'm glad everyone liked the postcard that could be seen with their browsers. Apologies to the "text only" viewers out there. I just came across the card site while surfing last night. They need to add a Hawkwind song to their collection! ;-) If you had trouble seeing the card, here's the link I started from to select the card: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Cafe/1305/kards.htm But, you would have already seen this page if you tried to pick up the card . . . You shouldn't need Java for this card since I don't have Java enabled in Netscape right now. Create a new card and send it out to your friends who might not be on the BOC/HW list! Andy, good point about the lyrics. Here's the disclaimer from the site: (Copyright Laws: If any of the artists who own the lyrics in these postcards object to them being used in this manner, please email me and I will take them off my site) I'm glad it was such a big hit! :-) Karen Andy Gilham wrote: > > Oh - I looked at it this morning and it worked - is it a once-only deal??? > > It was an image of a card with the lyrics to "Don't Fear the Reaper" on it. > > Karen - I got the impression this was a stock image from a catalogue? And > correct me if I'm wrong, but as I recall the lyrics were uncredited. > > - Andy > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > > Behalf Of sprawl > > Sent: 03 September 1998 14:07 > > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > > Subject: Re: You have a postcard! > > > > > > Document Contains No Data. > > Thanks for the thought, tho'. > > rj > > > > Karen Kusic wrote: > > > > > > Confidential! For BOC/HW mailing list only! > > > > > > Karen has sent you a postcard from Send-A-Song > > > > > > You may pick it up from the postbox located at > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Cafe/1305/kards.htm > > > > > > Your ticket number is: 0300505327378 > > > > > > Come back to Kim's Blueprint Page soon! > > From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Sep 3 15:19:43 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 15:19:43 -0400 Subject: Copyright (was: You have a postcard) Message-ID: Dislaimer reads: "(Copyright Laws: If any of the artists who own the lyrics in these postcards object to them being used in this manner, please email me and I will take them off my site)" O.K., at the risk of sounding somewhat prudish, I have to say that I don't think this cuts it at all. This site appears to be in clear violation of copyright law. The disclaimer basically says that they know what they are doing may be objectionable, but if the "artist" (who is not necessarily the copyright holder, and in the case of BOC's music, they probably are not) objects (assuming of course the "artist" finds out about the existence of this site), they will stop breaking the law once the artists asks to. Gee, did you think to get the artist/copyright holder's permission BEFORE you did this? Is it o.k. to break the law as long as you don't get caught? Sorry to rain on the parade, and I'm not a particularly big fan of the way various copyright type laws are written (which, IMHO, are designed not to protect the artists, but to protect the record companies), but I feel that first off people who do this sort of thing (either publishing lyrics without credit, or recording or in some way re-creating an artist's work without their credit and making it available - doesn't matter if it's free or not, by the way) should understand that they are violating copyright law (many folks who do this, especially when it comes to what seems innocent enough - maintaining files with lyrics on them - don't realize that it is illegal). But, the disclaimer to me suggests that this person understands that there may be a copyright violation - or at least suspects it (otherwise, why the disclaimer?). Yet, this person has placed the "burden of proof" on the copyright holder (and, BTW, I don't think that this argument would hold up in a court of law). Look at it in light of Mike Barnicle - I'm sure many of you have heard of him recently? He was a Boston Globe columnist of basically lifted quotes from George Carlin in an article he wrote for the paper, with no credit to it's source. Now, had Mike written a "disclaimer" saying "If George Carlin has a problem with me using his material, and if he e-mails me about it, well, then I won't do it anymore". Would anyone have cut Barnicle any more slack? Right - he actually probably would have been blasted even worse because it would be much clearer that he knew what he was doing (Barnicle's defense for his actions was that he was "sloppy", and didn't realize that the stuff given to him by a friend were actually quotes from Carlin). The concept of this electronic postcard is kinda cool, and I'm sure many artists wouldn't object to it (assuming they knew about it). But, I don't find it right to knowingly commit a crime now, and promise to stop if one is caught (even though I knowingly drive over the speed limit all the time -- then again, can't say I'll promise to slow down if I get a ticket). The author of this site should check with the artists FIRST. BTW, my guess is that if the person checks with Buck (the "artist") regarding the use of "The Reaper", Buck's answer may be something to the effect of "You need to check with Sony - they hold the copyright". Sorry to rant, John From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Thu Sep 3 18:12:17 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 23:12:17 +0100 Subject: BRAIN: Thoughts about the new album In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 11:02 31/08/98 -0400, you wrote: >Cheers, > >Paul. > >obCD: Egg, _Egg_ > Is that Egg as in "The Polite Force" & "The Civil Surface" ? ChrisW -Catching up slowly with his mail! Free your mind & watch your ass! From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Sep 3 19:24:26 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 00:24:26 +0100 Subject: HW: Davey dates Message-ID: I'll sneak this in quickly ahead of a possible deluge of copyright/anti-copyright discussion articles: I keep forgetting I'm on Alan Davey's mailing list and wonder why I'm getting strange hand-written envelopes from Devon - until I open them and find a whole load of fascinating info! Here are the tour dates for Alan Davey's Bedouin: Thursday 17 September TJ's, 14/16 Clarence Place, Newport, Gwent Friday 18 September The Victoria Inn, 12 Midland Place, Derby Saturday 19 September The Old Railway, 45 Curzon Street, Digbeth, Birmingham Wednesday 23 September The Sky Club, 509 Alfreton Road, Nottingham Thursday 24 September The Boatrace, 170 East Road, Cambridge Friday 25 September The Axe & Cleaver, 16 West Street, Boston, Lincs. Saturday 26 September The Cellar, Thomas Street, South Shields Wednesday 30 September The Pavilion, The Esplanade, Exmouth Thursday 1st October Riddles Music Bar, Talbot Hotel, 117 Church Street, Stoke on Trent Friday 2 October Verdi's, 38a Maiden Street, Weymouth Wednesday 7 October Lady Godiva's, Jordan Well, Coventry Thursday 8 October Duchess of York, 71 Vicar Lane, Leeds Friday 9 October Fat Sams, St. Peters Way, Mansfield, Notts. Saturday 10 October Night & Day Cafe, 26 Oldham St. Northern Quarter, Manchester Tuesday 13* October The Albert, 48 Trafalgar St. Brighton Wednesday 14 October West One Four, 3 North End Cresc., North End Road, London W14 Thursday 15 October Alexander's Jazz Theatre, Rufus Court, Chester Wednesday 21 October The Boardwalk, Snig Hill, Sheffield Thursday 22 October Yales Wine Bar, 15/17 Hill Street, Wrexham Friday 23 October The Leopard, 1 West Street, Doncaster Saturday 24 October The Harbour Hotel, Abersoch, Pwllhll, Gwynedd Wednesday 28 October The Adelphi, 43 Filde Street, Preston Thursday 29 October The Witchwood, 152 Old Street, Ashton-U-Lyme Friday 30 October 1 in 12 Club, 21/23 Albion Street, Bradford Saturday 31 October Harrogate Arms, Grag Lane, Harlow Carr, Harrogate Friday 6 November The Underground Club, The Rummer Basement, High Street, St. Nicholas Market, Bristol. * this date is typed Tuesday 23rd October but since that's impossible and given its position in the list I'm assuming that Tuesday 13 October is intended. I have phone numbers for all these venues so if folk would like these as well then let me know. I might try for South Shields meself. It's the closest to Scotland and its a Saturday and there's a very nice Roman fort there I've been wanting an opportunity to explore 8-) Hope these are of use. Spread the word! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From christmu at EUNET.NO Thu Sep 3 21:28:27 1998 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu at EUNET.NO) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 03:28:27 +0200 Subject: OFF: Brave New World Message-ID: I thought 90s corporate rock had reached new heights with the RIP-Dead festivals, Lollapalooza and Woodstock, but the alterna/punk thing has reached mindboggling proportions; browsing the 'Tour 98' pages at CDNow has all the 'festivals' so clearly and neatly divided and sanitized as commodity, targeted towards media created subcultures, i.e. your braindead kids :) We get every flavor nicely separated to our (seemingly) personal tastes, supplemented with daily allowances of fun activities and stuff... "THE VANS WARPED TOUR '98 Picture if you will, an extreme summer camp on wheels, with dozens of hot alternative bands, any number of acts from your local music scene, vert ramps, half pipes, world-class freestyling, BMX street courses and tons more cool stuff! Need we say more? Now on sale! The Vans Warped Tour '98 artists' albums! These artists are appearing at The Vans Warped Tour. Be sure to check out their complete discographies." http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=655199186/pagename=/MN/promo.summer tour98/tours.html/tour=warped/view=sale/ (listed bands incl. Rancid, Specials, NO/FX, Bad Religion, Die Toten Hosen....++ many punk and ska bands...must be like 30!) Christian "can I get my frontal lobe pierced too???" From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Sep 3 21:48:22 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:48:22 -0700 Subject: OFF: Brave New World Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Sep 1998 03:28:27 +0200, Christian stated: >I thought 90s corporate rock had reached new heights with the RIP-Dead >festivals, Lollapalooza and Woodstock, but the alterna/punk thing has >reached mindboggling proportions; browsing the 'Tour 98' pages at CDNow has >all the 'festivals' so clearly and neatly divided and sanitized as >commodity, targeted towards media created subcultures, i.e. your braindead >kids :) We get every flavor nicely separated to our (seemingly) personal >tastes, supplemented with daily allowances of fun activities and stuff... > >"THE VANS WARPED TOUR '98 [snip] ... something for everybody I guess. Of course, my stock response to any guy complaining about the gender ratio at Strange Daze was, "sorry, the Lilith Fair has already passed through town." -Doug ceres at sirius.com From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Sep 4 05:32:36 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:32:36 +0100 Subject: HW: Davey dates Message-ID: > Tuesday 13* October The Albert, 48 Trafalgar St. Brighton > * this date is typed Tuesday 23rd October but since that's impossible > and given its position in the list I'm assuming that Tuesday 13 > October > is intended. Hi Jill, Just like to recommend (assuming that you're right about this date) the Albert. About the only pub down Trafalgar Street that opens at a decent time of day, and a top place for live bands. Might even make it down from sunny Upton Park myself. :-) Cheers, Rich. ** "Mind the oranges, Marlon!" ** From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Sep 4 07:42:25 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:42:25 +0100 Subject: Kingston Wall? Message-ID: Can anyone in Scandinavia get me copies of the Kingston Wall I & III CDs (with the bonus CDs)? I had ordered them from Delerium, but things have gone awry :P Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Fri Sep 4 09:01:31 1998 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:01:31 -0400 Subject: OFF: RE: Fantastic Four Movie Message-ID: >From: E F >It had nothing to do with how bad it was (Even though it probably was). I've seen it. It wasn't that bad, just typical Corman production values of extremely low budget and not particularly skilled actors. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Fri Sep 4 09:38:52 1998 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:38:52 +0200 Subject: BEDOUIN live in Zoetermeer Message-ID: Here?s the setlist of BEDOUIN?s first gig of the tour in Zoetermeer/NL at the Boerderij Club on Sept. 3rd: The Call Queen of the night Vision Quest Dagger Dance Ancient Light ? (new song) Arioch Rock Palace Sputnik Stan Passion is an animal Sword of the East Chasing the Dragon Encore: LSD All in all about 90 min. There were about 20 paying people there. Danny Thompson was the worst drummer Hawkwind ever had. Now he?s playing with Bedouin...and he hasn?t learned much in the meantime. Sean Massett is a rather good guitarist, especially when his guitar is tuned rightly, which wasn?t the case this night. Alan Davey is a really excellent bass player but not a good singer. All in all a pretty good show though. "Chasing the dragon" is very fast and the only fitting song for Danny. And "Vision Quest" is still getting better. There?s a new CD sold only at gigs. It?s called "Sci-fi-delic EP" and it?s credited to Alan "The Elf" Davey. Tracks: 1. Sci-fi-delic (4.46) 2. Vulcan Ritual (3:50) 3. Interceptor 1 (4:21) 4. Holosuite Program(6:53) 5. Eagle Alpha (4:57) Alan played all instruments. This is a CD-R with an ink-jet printed label sticker with an Alan Arthur painting on it and no inlay sleeve. The back of the sleeve is also ink-jet printed with the tracks & credits on it. The tracks are all instrumentals and pretty boring, the first one?s the best, it sounds a lot like "Wheels". Anyway, the CD isn?t cheap, 25,00 hfl (about $ 12) and isn?t even worth the half of it. But since we?re all collectors who buy any fart released in any format by our favourite artists...who cares. Andreas From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri Sep 4 06:55:29 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:55:29 +0000 Subject: OFF: Brave New World Message-ID: > >I thought 90s corporate rock had reached new heights with the RIP-Dead > >festivals, Lollapalooza and Woodstock, but the alterna/punk thing has > >reached mindboggling proportions; browsing the 'Tour 98' pages at CDNow has > >all the 'festivals' so clearly and neatly divided and sanitized as > >commodity, targeted towards media created subcultures, i.e. your braindead > >kids :) We get every flavor nicely separated to our (seemingly) personal > >tastes, supplemented with daily allowances of fun activities and stuff... > > > >"THE VANS WARPED TOUR '98 > > [snip] > > ... something for everybody I guess. Of course, my stock response to any > guy complaining about the gender ratio at Strange Daze was, "sorry, the > Lilith Fair has already passed through town." > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com Please do not get me started on the alterna-craze. I have to work in this crap! I'm in alternative radio. It's a hot format (although perhaps cooling a bit in recent years), but I just don't get it. Some good stuff can be found, however. I'm extremely partial to Barenaked Ladies, and Monster Magnet's Space Lord is still a huge hit! Plus, if it weren't for alternative radio, I probably never would have heard of The Why Store, my pick for the most phenomenal young rock band out there. Check 'em out if you get a chance. They're awesome! -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri Sep 4 06:55:29 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:55:29 +0000 Subject: Copyright (was: You have a postcard) Message-ID: > "(Copyright Laws: If any of the artists who own the lyrics in these > postcards object to them being used in this manner, please email me and > I will take them off my site)" > > > O.K., at the risk of sounding somewhat prudish, I have to say that I don't > think this cuts it at all. This site appears to be in clear violation of > copyright law. The disclaimer basically says that they know what they > are doing may be objectionable, but if the "artist" (who is not necessarily > the copyright holder, and in the case of BOC's music, they probably are > not) objects (assuming of course the "artist" finds out about the existence > of this site), they will stop breaking the law once the artists asks to. > Gee, did you think to get the artist/copyright holder's permission BEFORE > you did this? Is it o.k. to break the law as long as you don't get > caught? It's definitely illegal, John...but it doesn't bother me as much as it does you. And I'll add here that it's a lot different than what Barnicle did, because these postcard people aren't claiming to have written the songs and lyrics...in fact, the disclaimer makes it clear that they did not. Personally, I just chalk it up in this fashion: What do you expect? This is the Internet. And I'm sure there is no net user out there who has not, at one time or another, benefited in some way from information or material that the poster did not have permission to post! And to be quite honest, these people went farther than most to acknowledge that they're using the stuff without authorization. I imagine they're sorta trying to slip in the back door, so to speak...depending on the kindness of strange artists, if you will, and hoping that if any of them were to happen upon the site, they would realize these folks are just in it for the fun and not prosecute! To me, this has always been the bugger of the Internet -- It's potential is huge as a source of alternative information, but there's so much MISinformation out there that I end up really only trusting sources that had credibility in the real world long before there even was an internet, like the networks, Reuters, USA Today, ESPN, etc. Oh well. -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri Sep 4 07:12:36 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:12:36 +0000 Subject: OFF: RE: Corman (was Fantastic Four Movie) Message-ID: > I've seen it. It wasn't that bad, just typical Corman production values > of extremely low budget and not particularly skilled actors. > > John McIntyre I don't want nobody to go off bashin' ol' R.C. now...the man is a legend! Okay, so his movies tend toward the lower end...a lot of them are fun nonetheless...and I can state without the least bit of embarrassment that I liked "Carnosaur" about a million times more than "Godzilla". Even though his films (and Roger himself) are often treated with just an ounce more respect than Ed Wood by the critics, Hollywood owes one hell of a debt to Mr. Corman in terms of careers he's helped launch. And it was nice to see his cameo in "Silence of the Lambs" courtesy of one former protege, director Jonathan Demme. The movie business has changed so much that it's doubtful you're seeing the next Jack Nicholson in any recently Corman-produced or directed offerings, but what a wild ride he had back in the day. And you never do know, anyway. Corman put out an autobiography a couple years back called something like, "How I Made Over 100 Movies in Hollywood and Never Lost a Dime". I've looked for it before and come up empty handed. I'd love to read it, though. To steer this somewhat On-topic again, what ever happened to Charles Band's Full Moon Pictures? They're the ones who made "Bad Channels". Are they still around? Any plans to utilize Buck/BOC again? And does Buck have any plans to seek more of a career in movie scoring a-la Mark Knopfler/Stewart Copeland/Brian Eno/Danny Elfman/Mark Mothersbaugh, etc.? He sure does seem to have the production skills. While we're on the subject, I was reading my "Bad Channels" liner notes recently and was reminded of the fact that BOC were still with Sandy Pearlman at the time. When did they split with him and why? Was it friendly? What is he doing now? -- Nick From tclark at PETRONET.NET Fri Sep 4 11:12:18 1998 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:12:18 -0500 Subject: Anubian Lights Message-ID: Just got the CD - "Not Let the Flame Die Out" ....can't take it out of the player...Simon House plays on one track, Nik Turner is on most playing flute or sax.......this is some really trippy stuff...highly recommended, along with headphones........ From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Fri Sep 4 11:35:37 1998 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:35:37 -0400 Subject: OFF: RE: Corman (was Fantastic Four Movie) Message-ID: >From: "" >> I've seen it. It wasn't that bad, just typical Corman production values >> of extremely low budget and not particularly skilled actors. >> >> John McIntyre >I don't want nobody to go off bashin' ol' R.C. now... No bashing intended. In fact, I collect Corman films, but they are low budget affairs. In Demme's first feature film, _Caged Heat_, the prison shrink was performing lobotomies with a Black & Decker quarter inch drill. Why waste money on realistic props? (-8 >To steer this somewhat On-topic again, what ever happened to Charles >Band's Full Moon Pictures? They're the ones who made "Bad Channels". >Are they still around? Any plans to utilize Buck/BOC again? They are still around, although financial difficulties had them keeping a low profile for a while. They recently released another couple of _Puppetmaster_ films. Don't know if they'll be using BOC/Buck again. Charles's brother writes music himself, so they may keep it in the family for budgetary reasons. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Sep 4 11:56:59 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:56:59 +0100 Subject: OFF: Buy the Fantastic Four Movie Message-ID: If anyone does want to see it, I'm told that you can get it from http://www.sigma.net/4freedoms/Museum/FFMovie.html There's a clip you can view there as well. I would point out that it's nowt to do with me, in view of the ongoing copyright debate Z NP Etta Hames - Tell Mama > >From: "" > > >> I've seen it. It wasn't that bad, just typical Corman production values > >> of extremely low budget and not particularly skilled actors. > >> > >> John McIntyre > -- ================================================================= ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 =========================================================================== From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Sep 4 12:32:15 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:32:15 -0400 Subject: Copyright (was: You have a postcard) Message-ID: >It's definitely illegal, John...but it doesn't bother me as much as it does you. What actually bothered me was not so much the notion that it was illegal, but that the "disclaimer" implied that the site developer knew that the material might be "objectionable", and only made the promise to remove it if the "artist" complained - and left it basically up to the artist to find the website (like musicians should be constantly surfing the net to see who might be using their stuff). >And I'll add here that it's a lot different than what Barnicle did, because these postcard people aren't claiming to have written the songs and lyrics...in fact, the disclaimer makes it clear that they did not. My point wasn't that it was the same thing. My point was Barnicle at least could claim (whether one believed him or not is subject to debate) ignorance or sloppiness, as opposed to outright plagiarism. The disclaimer on the site, in my interpretation, implies that the site is knowingly infringing on copyright. Which is why I suggested that people would've been really upset with Barnicle had he added a "disclaimer" to his article that basically said he'd stop quoting George Carlin if George asked him to. (BTW, I don't mean to attack Mike Barnicle here - I like a lot of his work - I have mixed feelings as to his actions, but all I know is that he put his employers in a lose-lose situation). >Personally, I just chalk it up in this fashion: What do you expect? This is the Internet. And I'm sure there is no net user out there who has not, at one time or another, benefited in some way from information or material that the poster did not have permission to post! No disagreement (see my other post on my feelings on the benefits to artists due to stuff like this), and I suspect that the internet will eventualy force some serious re-looking at copyright law and "intellectual property" (does that mean I have to be an intellectual to claim any plagiarism in the future ;-) >It's potential is huge as a source of alternative information, but there's so much MISinformation out there that I end up really only trusting sources that had credibility in the real world long before there even was an internet, like the networks, Reuters, USA Today, ESPN, etc. Oh well. What? You don't believe everything you see on the web? I suppose you don't think those "Get Rich Quick" e-mails work either... ;-) John From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Sep 4 15:26:37 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (The Automind) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:26:37 PDT Subject: Copyright (was: You have a postcard) Message-ID: >>It's definitely illegal, John...but it doesn't bother me as much as >it does you. > >What actually bothered me was not so much the notion that it was illegal, >but that the "disclaimer" implied that the site developer knew that >the material might be "objectionable", and only made the promise to >remove it if the "artist" complained - and left it basically up to >the artist to find the website (like musicians should be constantly >surfing the net to see who might be using their stuff). It's not like they're making money off of it! It's just as illegal to tape a record and give it to your friend. The same laws apply, and no one has ever really cared or tried to enforce them. >>And I'll add here that it's a lot different than what >Barnicle did, because these postcard people aren't claiming to have >written the songs and lyrics...in fact, the disclaimer makes it clear >that they did not. > >My point wasn't that it was the same thing. My point was Barnicle at >least could claim (whether one believed him or not is subject to >debate)ignorance or sloppiness, as opposed to outright plagiarism. >The disclaimer on the site, in my interpretation, implies that the >site is knowingly infringing on copyright. Which is why I suggested >that people would've been really upset with Barnicle had he added a >"disclaimer" to his articlethat basically said he'd stop quoting >George Carlin if George asked him >to. Mike Barnicle was also a highly paid professional editorialist in a respected newspaper. >(BTW, I don't mean to attack Mike Barnicle here - I like a lot of >his work - I have mixed feelings as to his actions, but all I know is >that he put his employers in a lose-lose situation). I've agreed strongly with some of his opinions- though I've always thought he was sort of an opportunist. What pisses me off is how he's being persecuted by the media industry for the kind of s--- they pull every day and know it. "This is a sad day for journalism everywhere" (grrrrrrrrrr!) THE AUTOMIND IS NOT AMUSED -----. .----- |____ | | ____| \| |/ . . | |\ /| | | \ / | | \ \____________/ / | \ / | \ / | \____________/ | | | \________/ | _ _ _ _ -- | | -- _ - - -_ _- -- _ _ - - ----- - ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Fri Sep 4 15:45:26 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:45:26 -0500 Subject: 7 Screaming Diz-busters Message-ID: Hi there everybody, I was just listening to 7 Screaming Diz-busters on Tyranny and I have a question. At the end of the third verse Eric sings "I'll not reveal whose name still lost". He must be referring to Destinova, at a time in history before the Les Invisibles reveal to him his "starry wisdom". If im not mistaken a Diz-Buz is the feeling you get while riding a Harley, so these 7 Screaming Diz-busters must be a motorcycle club, maybe Transmaniacon? anyhow if the character in question promises not to reveal whose name still lost how did he know about Destinova to begin with, does he know about there plan to alter history so the Les Invisibles sent the 7 Screaming Diz-busters to stop him? I have been totally preoccupied by this in the last few days so any of your thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated. From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Fri Sep 4 15:49:10 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:49:10 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: 7 Screaming Diz-busters] BOC Message-ID: Just remembered, if I don't place BOC in the subject some people might not receive this letter :-). Laj Waldner wrote: > Hi there everybody, I was just listening to 7 Screaming Diz-busters on > Tyranny and I have a question. At the end of the third verse Eric sings > "I'll not reveal whose name still lost". He must be referring to > Destinova, at a time in history before the Les Invisibles reveal to him > his "starry wisdom". If im not mistaken a Diz-Buz is the feeling you get > while riding a Harley, so these 7 Screaming Diz-busters must be a > motorcycle club, maybe Transmaniacon? anyhow if the character in > question promises not to reveal whose name still lost how did he know > about Destinova to begin with, does he know about there plan to alter > history so the Les Invisibles sent the 7 Screaming Diz-busters to stop > him? I have been totally preoccupied by this in the last few days so any > of your thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Laj Waldner Subject: 7 Screaming Diz-busters Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 14:45:26 -0500 Size: 1285 URL: From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Sep 4 16:52:30 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 21:52:30 +0100 Subject: Copyright (was: You have a postcard) In-Reply-To: <19980904192647.15072.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > It's not like they're making money off of it! It's just as illegal to > tape a record and give it to your friend. The same laws apply, and no > one has ever really cared or tried to enforce them. > Oh yes they did! "Home taping is killing music... and it's illegal." ("...and so are Venom" :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Sep 4 17:18:31 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (The Automind) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:18:31 PDT Subject: Copyright (was: You have a postcard) Message-ID: >Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 21:52:30 +0100 >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >From: Andy Gilham >Subject: Re: Copyright (was: You have a postcard) >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > >> It's not like they're making money off of it! It's just as illegal to >> tape a record and give it to your friend. The same laws apply, and no >> one has ever really cared or tried to enforce them. >> > >Oh yes they did! "Home taping is killing music... and it's illegal." > >("...and so are Venom" :) > >- Andy When was this?! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Sep 4 18:17:04 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 23:17:04 +0100 Subject: Copyright (was: You have a postcard) In-Reply-To: <19980904211831.871.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: Early 80s, UK. Without looking, I think it's on my _Flat Out_, among others. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of The Automind > Sent: 04 September 1998 22:19 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: Copyright (was: You have a postcard) > > > >Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 21:52:30 +0100 > >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > >From: Andy Gilham > >Subject: Re: Copyright (was: You have a postcard) > >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > > > >> It's not like they're making money off of it! It's just as illegal to > >> tape a record and give it to your friend. The same laws apply, and no > >> one has ever really cared or tried to enforce them. > >> > > > >Oh yes they did! "Home taping is killing music... and it's illegal." > > > >("...and so are Venom" :) > > > >- Andy > > When was this?! > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM Sat Sep 5 04:41:40 1998 From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (BL Young) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 01:41:40 -0700 Subject: 7 Screaming Diz-Busters and the List prefixes Message-ID: I'm shouldn't send this to the list, because it'll just spam it up some more. But oh well, here goes... You really should put BOC very first when you want to send it to the list. I only receive the Hawkwind and Other messages, and I'd rather not read the BOC stuff. So I got your message twice through the list. It's no big deal to delete it twice, but it's kind of strange that there's at least 2 or 3 BOC messages per day with no prefix. Also, the Brain Surgeons proper prefix is BRAIN, no tBS as most people use. So I get to delete a bunch of those each day, also. Here's a few examples of messages that I should receive: HW: Dave kicked out of USA OTHER: Anybody heard Motorhead's new album? and here's a few examples of messages that should be fixed... 7 Screaming Diz-Busters BOC (Should be BOC: 7 Screaming Diz-Busters) tBS: tour dates (Should be BRAIN: tour dates) Sorry to get so disturbed, but feel free to adeptly ignore me... Thanks and keep the flames in the cities (with rock'n'roll)... > >Just remembered, if I don't place BOC in the subject some people might not >receive this letter :-). > >Laj Waldner wrote: > >> Hi there everybody, I was just listening to 7 Screaming Diz-busters on >> Tyranny and I have a question. At the end of the third verse Eric sings >> "I'll not reveal whose name still lost". He must be referring to >> Destinova, at a time in history before the Les Invisibles reveal to him >> his "starry wisdom". If im not mistaken a Diz-Buz is the feeling you get >> while riding a Harley, so these 7 Screaming Diz-busters must be a >> motorcycle club, maybe Transmaniacon? anyhow if the character in >> question promises not to reveal whose name still lost how did he know >> about Destinova to begin with, does he know about there plan to alter >> history so the Les Invisibles sent the 7 Screaming Diz-busters to stop >> him? I have been totally preoccupied by this in the last few days so any >> of your thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated. > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Young CANADA blyoung AT bigfoot DOT com ----------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/Area51/7118 SF Reading Club http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 Hawkwind http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/6878 IFHL-FLA ----------------------------------------------------------- "20 minutes goes by pretty fast when you're on a breakaway" From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Sat Sep 5 09:33:14 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David G) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 14:33:14 +0100 Subject: HW: Davey dates Message-ID: Has anyone posted the ful list of dates to the group? If so, I missed it and sheepishly request you do it again! If not, please can you point me at it? Thanks DaveG Rich Lockwood wrote: > > Tuesday 13* October The Albert, 48 Trafalgar St. Brighton > > > * this date is typed Tuesday 23rd October but since that's impossible > > and given its position in the list I'm assuming that Tuesday 13 > > October > > is intended. > > Hi Jill, > > Just like to recommend (assuming that you're right about this date) the > Albert. About the only pub down Trafalgar Street that opens at a decent > time of day, and a top place for live bands. Might even make it down > from sunny Upton Park myself. :-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > ** "Mind the oranges, Marlon!" ** From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Sep 5 10:39:03 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 15:39:03 +0100 Subject: HW: Davey dates Message-ID: They're on my home page in the sig. Click on Zeitgeist index, then tour dates. Z David G wrote: > Has anyone posted the ful list of dates to the group? If so, I missed it > and sheepishly request you do it again! If not, please can you point me at > it? > > Thanks > > DaveG > > Rich Lockwood wrote: > > > > Tuesday 13* October The Albert, 48 Trafalgar St. Brighton > > > > > * this date is typed Tuesday 23rd October but since that's impossible > > > and given its position in the list I'm assuming that Tuesday 13 > > > October > > > is intended. > > > > Hi Jill, > > > > Just like to recommend (assuming that you're right about this date) the > > Albert. About the only pub down Trafalgar Street that opens at a decent > > time of day, and a top place for live bands. Might even make it down > > from sunny Upton Park myself. :-) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rich. > > > > ** "Mind the oranges, Marlon!" ** -- ================================================================= ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 =========================================================================== From flossbac at WCIC.CIOE.COM Sun Sep 6 10:26:49 1998 From: flossbac at WCIC.CIOE.COM (John Majka) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 09:26:49 -0500 Subject: Tapes of SD98? Message-ID: OK kids....who has good tapes (hopefully soundboards) of Strange Daze 98? If you have such things, get in touch with me... John Majka flossbac at wcic.cioe.com From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Sun Sep 6 11:39:12 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David G) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 16:39:12 +0100 Subject: HW: Davey dates Message-ID: Thanks. Stuart A Hamilton wrote: > They're on my home page in the sig. Click on Zeitgeist index, then tour dates. > > Z > > David G wrote: > > > Has anyone posted the ful list of dates to the group? If so, I missed it > > and sheepishly request you do it again! If not, please can you point me at > > it? > > > > Thanks > > > > DaveG > > > > Rich Lockwood wrote: > > > > > > Tuesday 13* October The Albert, 48 Trafalgar St. Brighton > > > > > > > * this date is typed Tuesday 23rd October but since that's impossible > > > > and given its position in the list I'm assuming that Tuesday 13 > > > > October > > > > is intended. > > > > > > Hi Jill, > > > > > > Just like to recommend (assuming that you're right about this date) the > > > Albert. About the only pub down Trafalgar Street that opens at a decent > > > time of day, and a top place for live bands. Might even make it down > > > from sunny Upton Park myself. :-) > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Rich. > > > > > > ** "Mind the oranges, Marlon!" ** > > -- > ================================================================= > ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com > > Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK > > Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 > > ============================================================================ From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sun Sep 6 12:24:27 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 17:24:27 +0100 Subject: HW: Davey dates - repost Message-ID: > Here are the tour dates for Alan Davey's Bedouin: > > Thursday 17 September TJ's, 14/16 Clarence Place, Newport, Gwent > Friday 18 September The Victoria Inn, 12 Midland Place, Derby > Saturday 19 September The Old Railway, 45 Curzon Street, Digbeth, > Birmingham > Wednesday 23 September The Sky Club, 509 Alfreton Road, Nottingham > Thursday 24 September The Boatrace, 170 East Road, Cambridge > Friday 25 September The Axe & Cleaver, 16 West Street, Boston, > Lincs. > Saturday 26 September The Cellar, Thomas Street, South Shields > Wednesday 30 September The Pavilion, The Esplanade, Exmouth > Thursday 1st October Riddles Music Bar, Talbot Hotel, 117 Church > Street, Stoke on Trent > Friday 2 October Verdi's, 38a Maiden Street, Weymouth > Wednesday 7 October Lady Godiva's, Jordan Well, Coventry > Thursday 8 October Duchess of York, 71 Vicar Lane, Leeds > Friday 9 October Fat Sams, St. Peters Way, Mansfield, Notts. > Saturday 10 October Night & Day Cafe, 26 Oldham St. Northern > Quarter, Manchester > Tuesday 13* October The Albert, 48 Trafalgar St. Brighton > Wednesday 14 October West One Four, 3 North End Cresc., North End > Road, London W14 > Thursday 15 October Alexander's Jazz Theatre, Rufus Court, Chester > Wednesday 21 October The Boardwalk, Snig Hill, Sheffield > Thursday 22 October Yales Wine Bar, 15/17 Hill Street, Wrexham > Friday 23 October The Leopard, 1 West Street, Doncaster > Saturday 24 October The Harbour Hotel, Abersoch, Pwllhll, Gwynedd > Wednesday 28 October The Adelphi, 43 Filde Street, Preston > Thursday 29 October The Witchwood, 152 Old Street, Ashton-U-Lyme > Friday 30 October 1 in 12 Club, 21/23 Albion Street, Bradford > Saturday 31 October Harrogate Arms, Grag Lane, Harlow Carr, > Harrogate > Friday 6 November The Underground Club, The Rummer Basement, High > Street, St. Nicholas Market, Bristol. > > * this date is typed Tuesday 23rd October but since that's impossible > and given its position in the list I'm assuming that Tuesday 13 October > is intended. > > > I have phone numbers for all these venues so if folk would like these as > well then let me know. ---- End of forwarded text ---- ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From christmu at EUNET.NO Sat Sep 5 10:41:16 1998 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu at EUNET.NO) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 16:41:16 +0200 Subject: Off-acoustic tunes In-Reply-To: <199809040901.LAA19655@login-2.eunet.no> Message-ID: Rich Lockwood wrote: >My dog got put down on Tuesday. :-( yes, but did you miss any deadlines? Chr- obCD: Killing Joke - Pandemoneum From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sun Sep 6 13:42:21 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 13:42:21 -0400 Subject: HW: Davey dates In-Reply-To: <199809032324.AAA01052@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, J Strobridge wrote: => I keep forgetting I'm on Alan Davey's mailing list and wonder why I'm => getting strange hand-written envelopes from Devon - until I open them => and find a whole load of fascinating info! Here are the tour dates => for Alan Davey's Bedouin: => Saturday 26 September The Cellar, Thomas Street, South Shields => I might try for South Shields meself. It's the closest to Scotland => and its a Saturday and there's a very nice Roman fort there I've been => wanting an opportunity to explore 8-) Hey, good choice! Although I'm biased, since South Shields is my home town!! (There is also a nice Priory at Tynemouth, too, as well as Bede's world at Jarrow---all very conveniently travelled to via the Metro.) However, here's the bad news: are you sure the Cellar Club is still open??? Last I heard (~2 months ago), they had called in the receivers (thanks to the brewery), and had to close at short notice. Naturally, the locals are up in arms about this, since the Cellar Club is a venue attracting some mighty fine acts, and so they were trying to get some kind of "Save Our Cellar Club" campaign started, with the aid of the Shields Gazette. I hope that the Davey tour dates means they've been successful, and that the Cellar Club is once again back in action! I'd call, though... Cheers, Paul. obVideo: Gov't Mule, Humpty's, Tahoe City, CA, 13th August, 1996 e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From arjanh at CS.VU.NL Mon Sep 7 04:00:39 1998 From: arjanh at CS.VU.NL (Hulsebos A) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 10:00:39 +0200 Subject: 7 Screaming Diz-Busters and the List prefixes In-Reply-To: BL Young "7 Screaming Diz-Busters and the List prefixes" (Sep 5, 1:41am) Message-ID: On Sep 5, 1:41am, BL Young wrote: > >You really should put BOC very first when you want to send it to >the list. I only receive the Hawkwind and Other messages, and >I'd rather not read the BOC stuff. > >So I got your message twice through the list. It's no big deal >to delete it twice, but it's kind of strange that there's at least >2 or 3 BOC messages per day with no prefix. > >Also, the Brain Surgeons proper prefix is BRAIN, no tBS as most >people use. So I get to delete a bunch of those each day, also. > >Here's a few examples of messages that I should receive: > >HW: Dave kicked out of USA >OTHER: Anybody heard Motorhead's new album? ^^^^^^^^^ Where does all that come from? Are people subscribing only to a part of the list? Arjan H From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Mon Sep 7 07:49:00 1998 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 11:49:00 GMT Subject: HW: Rare Flicknife Box? Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1998-09-07 12:49 I was looking round my local 2nd hand shop today and came across something I had never seen before. It is a 3LP box containing picture disks of This Is Hawkwind Do Not Panic, Out and Intake and COTBS. The box is black with red type, catalogue number HWBOX01 and I think it was called something like The Hawkwind Picture Log. There was no booklet included. As I have said, I never knew this thing existed so please can anyone give me some indication as to how rare this is - presumably it was a limited edition (limited to how many?) Many thanks, Mark From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Mon Sep 7 08:32:04 1998 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 13:32:04 +0100 Subject: OFF:discussion groups. Message-ID: Simple question (from a simple person). How does one go about setting up a discussion group such as this one ? Sorry to bother the group with this, please feel free to reply privately. email: shillada at gatwick.geco-prakla.slb.com Cheers, Neil From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 7 08:36:03 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 13:36:03 +0100 Subject: HW: Rare Flicknife Box? In-Reply-To: Mark Edmonds's message of Mon, 7 Sep 1998 11:49:00 GMT Message-ID: Mark Edmonds writes: > From: Mark Edmonds > Date: 1998-09-07 12:49 > > I was looking round my local 2nd hand shop today and came across something I > had never seen before. > > It is a 3LP box containing picture disks of This Is Hawkwind Do Not Panic, > Out and Intake and COTBS. The box is black with red type, catalogue number > HWBOX01 and I think it was called something like The Hawkwind Picture Log. > There was no booklet included. > > As I have said, I never knew this thing existed so please can anyone give me > some indication as to how rare this is - presumably it was a limited edition > (limited to how many?) > > Many thanks, There were 2000 copies of this done (the first 1000 were numbered - mine is not it would seem 8-() . It was issued by Flicknife in November 1987 in response to 'The Approved History of Hawkwind' which came out by Samurai a year earlier and had been followed by the issue or several of the first wave of cheap compilation albums. To the best of my knowledge it has never been reissued and should be original (I paid a lot for mine!) but the box should also contain: a blue square box-sized poster with a black two headed hawk and several paragraphs of explanation from Brian Tawn in red printing. There should also be a black vinyl 12" interview disc and a purple badge with blue printing "Hawkwind the official picture logbook" to complete the set. If it has all of this then it's complete. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Mon Sep 7 10:40:20 1998 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:40:20 +0100 Subject: BOC,HW,BRAIN - Immaginos = Eternal Champion ? Message-ID: All, First, thanks to those who replied to my query about discussion groups. Much appreciated. Secondly, whilst reading 'Entropy Tango', it struck me that, in one history, Immaginos could very easily fit in as Eternal Champion (as described in Moorcocks books). I pondered this, as I imagined Desdinova/Immaginos to be a sort of Jerry Cornelius type of character, flitting through history(ies) causing general mayhem wherever. Any one have ideas on this ? If Immaginos *is* an aspect of the champ, it means tBS could be said to have contributed to the saga by covering Needle Gun...... Cheers, Neil. From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Mon Sep 7 11:10:00 1998 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:10:00 GMT Subject: HW: Support act at some S Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1998-09-07 16:10 Folks, I was talking the other day with someone who went to a HW gig with me back in ...about... 1986 at some SciFi convention in Brighton (UK). We both had fond memories of the support act but had no idea of the group's name or where they might be now - does anyone know this? (Overwhelming memory of the gig: Huw introduces a song and says something like "its a funny old life, init?" Group of overweight greasy serioso-bookworm types ahead of us turn to each other and mutter intently, "I bet there's a riddle in there somewhere!"). Thanks, Mark From johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM Mon Sep 7 12:45:24 1998 From: johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:45:24 +0200 Subject: HW: Rare Flicknife Box? Message-ID: At 13:36 1998-09-07 +0100, you wrote: >Mark Edmonds writes: > >> From: Mark Edmonds >> Date: 1998-09-07 12:49 >> >> I was looking round my local 2nd hand shop today and came across something I >> had never seen before. >> >> It is a 3LP box containing picture disks of This Is Hawkwind Do Not Panic, >> Out and Intake and COTBS. The box is black with red type, catalogue number >> HWBOX01 and I think it was called something like The Hawkwind Picture Log. >> There was no booklet included. >> >> As I have said, I never knew this thing existed so please can anyone give me >> some indication as to how rare this is - presumably it was a limited edition >> (limited to how many?) >> >> Many thanks, > >There were 2000 copies of this done (the first 1000 were numbered - mine >is not it would seem 8-() . It was issued by Flicknife in November 1987 >in response to 'The Approved History of Hawkwind' which came out by >Samurai a year earlier and had been followed by the issue or several of >the first wave of cheap compilation albums. > >To the best of my knowledge it has never been reissued and should be >original (I paid a lot for mine!) but the box should also contain: a >blue square box-sized poster with a black two headed hawk and several >paragraphs of explanation from Brian Tawn in red printing. There >should also be a black vinyl 12" interview disc and a purple badge with >blue printing "Hawkwind the official picture logbook" to complete the >set. If it has all of this then it's complete. As far as I know the pic disks was never sold separately, which is the standard ripoff behaviour in the industry - first you buy the pic discs of album you already have, then you have to buy them again repacked and bulked in a box. Bought my copy brand new. >jill -joe From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Sep 7 12:49:41 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 00:49:41 +0800 Subject: HW: Rare Flicknife Box? In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19980907184204.113f79c6@m1.171.telia.com> Message-ID: > >To the best of my knowledge it has never been reissued and should be > >original (I paid a lot for mine!) but the box should also contain: a > >blue square box-sized poster with a black two headed hawk and several > >paragraphs of explanation from Brian Tawn in red printing. There > >should also be a black vinyl 12" interview disc and a purple badge with > >blue printing "Hawkwind the official picture logbook" to complete the > >set. If it has all of this then it's complete. > If only the interview disk was available in some other format? I'd definately love at least a copy of it. William From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Sep 7 13:01:00 1998 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 13:01:00 -0400 Subject: OFF: Willie Dixon Led Zeppelin lawsuit Message-ID: >into admissions of guilt and restitution. Of course, if they choose to rip off >Robert Johnson these days it's out of copyright, so no cash! Not true actually Sony owns the copyright. I know because we had to pay them for the "Passway" cover on Trepanation! Al From ChStier at AOL.COM Mon Sep 7 15:07:19 1998 From: ChStier at AOL.COM (Chris Stier) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:07:19 EDT Subject: Personal to Wim De Vreugd Message-ID: Sorry, everyone to take up bandwidth, but Wim, could you get touch with me? I can't get through to your e-mail. Thanks! Chris chstier at aol.com From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Sep 7 15:32:52 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:32:52 -0400 Subject: OFF: Sky Cries Mary, _Fresh Fruits for the Liberation_ Message-ID: I just picked up a CD called _Fresh Fruits for the Liberation_ by Sky Cries Mary in the used section today. I guess it's a new release, since it's (C) 1998. It appears to be a collection of rarities, remixes, etc., stretching all across their career. (It includes their track from the Pink Floyd tribute, _Saucerful of Pink_, for example. [on-topic reference!]) Mine is stamped as a promo, but I guess this is a general release. The track listing is: 1. Bath House 2. Goodbye Horse 3. Where Does It End... 4. Well, Where Does It Begin? 5. 2000 Light Years From Home (Soft Explosion Mix) 6. Corner Man (Still Homeless in the Freeworld Version) 7. Movement Of Water 8. Every Iceberg Is Afire (Titanic Mix) 9. Wot's... Uh The Deal? 10. Moonbathing (Waxing and Waning Mix) 11. To The One You Love (Partial Clearing Mix) Running time is ~62 minutes. I've not really had a chance to listen to it, but the early stuff (tracks 1--4) sounds pretty weird and "industrial." Cheers, Paul. NP: Clutch, _Transnational Speedway League_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Tue Sep 8 10:41:18 1998 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:41:18 EST Subject: HW: Support act at some S In-Reply-To: <1106@ems.rail.co.uk>; from "Mark Edmonds" at Sep 7, 98 03:10:00 pm Message-ID: > > From: Mark Edmonds > Date: 1998-09-07 16:10 > > Folks, > > I was talking the other day with someone who went to a HW gig with me back > in ...about... 1986 at some SciFi convention in Brighton (UK). We both had > fond memories of the support act but had no idea of the group's name or > where they might be now - does anyone know this? > Cant help you out mark,didn't one of the hawkfans have a scicon article in it. Here in Melbourne the other week,jackie levine? ex-doll by doll was out here and was being raved about. I remember doll by doll being crap and given lots of stick,when they supported hawkwind. other support bands remembered. Bethnal(good version of baba o'reilly) vardis baron rojo patrick fitzgerald bronz ozric tentacles cant remember if marseille ever supported HW,but they were bloody loud at a UFO gig. regards Marty From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Mon Sep 7 21:42:19 1998 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 21:42:19 EDT Subject: OFF: 7" records for sale Message-ID: attached is a wordpad document listing singles for sale....sorry, no Hawkwind in this batch...but some rare stuff by the DK's Flipper etc bob -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: SALELIST.DOC Type: application/octet-stream Size: 9216 bytes Desc: not available URL: From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Sep 8 04:02:07 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:02:07 +0100 Subject: OFF: Willie Dixon Led Zeppelin lawsuit Message-ID: Odd? Are US laws different from UK? Over here, once you've been dead 50 years copyright passes into the public domain hence our marvellous paperback versions of classic literature at 99p. Z NP COTBS Albert T Bouchard wrote: > >into admissions of guilt and restitution. Of course, if they choose to rip off > >Robert Johnson these days it's out of copyright, so no cash! > > Not true actually Sony owns the copyright. I know because we had to pay > them for the "Passway" cover on Trepanation! > Al -- ================================================================= ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 =========================================================================== From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Sep 8 04:13:30 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:13:30 +0100 Subject: OFF: Sky Cries Mary, _Fresh Fruits for the Liberation_ Message-ID: Just for background, Sky Cries Mary is a Seattle-based psychedelic revival band formed in 1989 who released a series of popular independent albums in the early '90s before moving to Warner Bros. with 1997's Moonbathing on Sleeping Leaves Records include; Fresh Fruits for the Revolution - Released 2/10/1998 WORLD DOMINATION Moonbathing on SleepingLeaves - Released 2/25/1997 WARNER BROTHERS Exit at the Axis Released- 3/22/1995WORLD DOMINATION Return to the Inner Experience- Released 3/22/1995WORLD DOMINATION This Timeless Turning - Released 7/26/1994 WORLD DOMINATION Z NP COTBS Paul Mather wrote: > I just picked up a CD called _Fresh Fruits for the Liberation_ by Sky > Cries Mary in the used section today. I guess it's a new release, since > it's (C) 1998. It appears to be a collection of rarities, remixes, > etc., stretching all across their career. (It includes their track from > the Pink Floyd tribute, _Saucerful of Pink_, for example. [on-topic > reference!]) > > Mine is stamped as a promo, but I guess this is a general release. The > track listing is: > > 1. Bath House > 2. Goodbye Horse > 3. Where Does It End... > 4. Well, Where Does It Begin? > 5. 2000 Light Years From Home (Soft Explosion Mix) > 6. Corner Man (Still Homeless in the Freeworld Version) > 7. Movement Of Water > 8. Every Iceberg Is Afire (Titanic Mix) > 9. Wot's... Uh The Deal? > 10. Moonbathing (Waxing and Waning Mix) > 11. To The One You Love (Partial Clearing Mix) > > Running time is ~62 minutes. I've not really had a chance to listen to > it, but the early stuff (tracks 1--4) sounds pretty weird and > "industrial." > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > NP: Clutch, _Transnational Speedway League_ > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" > --- James Marshall Hendrix -- ================================================================= ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 =========================================================================== From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Sep 8 04:22:47 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:22:47 +0100 Subject: OFF: Sky Cries Mary, _Fresh Fruits for the Liberation_ In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 07 Sep 1998 15:32:52 EDT." Message-ID: > Mine is stamped as a promo, but I guess this is a general release. The > track listing is: > > 1. Bath House > 2. Goodbye Horse > 3. Where Does It End... > 4. Well, Where Does It Begin? > 5. 2000 Light Years From Home (Soft Explosion Mix) > 6. Corner Man (Still Homeless in the Freeworld Version) > 7. Movement Of Water > 8. Every Iceberg Is Afire (Titanic Mix) > 9. Wot's... Uh The Deal? > 10. Moonbathing (Waxing and Waning Mix) > 11. To The One You Love (Partial Clearing Mix) > > Running time is ~62 minutes. I've not really had a chance to listen to > it, but the early stuff (tracks 1--4) sounds pretty weird and > "industrial." As I recall from their website, before Analise joined they were pretty much an industrial band (in the old sense) so I guess thats where the tracks are from. Tracks 6 & 8 are from the Every Iceberg is Afire 4 song single. Great band. Tim NP: Sungod, _EFA_ From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Sep 8 04:24:50 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:24:50 +0100 Subject: HW: CHRONICLE Message-ID: A question. On the 1992 Dojo CD rerelease of COTBS there are two extra tracks - live versions of The War I Survived & Voice Inside My Head. Are these on any other release and, if so, what? Z NP Adrian Shaw - Displaced Person -- ================================================================= ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 =========================================================================== From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Sep 8 00:41:06 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 04:41:06 +0000 Subject: OFF: BAND (was Corman) Message-ID: > >To steer this somewhat On-topic again, what ever happened to Charles > >Band's Full Moon Pictures? They're the ones who made "Bad Channels". > >Are they still around? Any plans to utilize Buck/BOC again? > > They are still around, although financial difficulties had them keeping > a low profile for a while. They recently released another couple of > _Puppetmaster_ films. Don't know if they'll be using BOC/Buck again. > Charles's brother writes music himself, so they may keep it in the > family for budgetary reasons. Since you seem to know of whence you speak when it comes to low-budget horror/sci-fi, how about this early one from the Band universe: Tourist Trap. Laugh if you will, but I'll be damned if this isn't about the scariest freakin' movie I've ever seen! Used to give me absolute nightmares as a kid, and still creepy now that I've (chronologically, anyway) grown up. Quirky music later lifted for the first Puppetmaster movie, if I'm not mistaken. -- Nick From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Sep 8 04:52:21 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:52:21 +0100 Subject: OFF: Willie Dixon Led Zeppelin lawsuit In-Reply-To: <35F4E47D.68ED33EC@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: At 09:02 08/09/98 +0100, Stuart A Hamilton wrote: >Odd? Are US laws different from UK? Over here, once you've been dead 50 >years copyright passes into the public domain hence our marvellous paperback >versions of classic literature at 99p. FWIW, the it's now 70 years after you die. The EU states had different values for this period, and recently they brought them all into line. With the most restrictive, natch. Dave. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Sep 8 04:52:46 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:52:46 +0100 Subject: Anubian Lights In-Reply-To: <35F00351.745C3437@petronet.net> Message-ID: At 10:12 04/09/98 -0500, Tom Clark wrote: >Just got the CD - "Not Let the Flame Die Out" ....can't take it out of the >player...Simon House plays on one track, Nik Turner is on most playing flute or >sax.......this is some really trippy stuff...highly recommended, along with >headphones........ > Is it similar to "The Eternal Sky"? Dave. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From arjanh at CS.VU.NL Tue Sep 8 05:58:45 1998 From: arjanh at CS.VU.NL (Hulsebos A) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:58:45 +0200 Subject: OFF: Willie Dixon Led Zeppelin lawsuit In-Reply-To: Dave Berry "Re: OFF: Willie Dixon Led Zeppelin lawsuit" (Sep 8, 9:52am) Message-ID: On Sep 8, 9:52am, Dave Berry wrote: >FWIW, the it's now 70 years after you die. The EU states had different >values for this period, and recently they brought them all into line. With >the most restrictive, natch. That's interesting.... What's going to happen with copyrights that have ended under the old rule, but not yet under the new one? Arjan H From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Sep 8 05:30:34 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:30:34 +0100 Subject: HW: Support act at some S In-Reply-To: <199809072341.JAA02836@mcegate.fujitsu.com.au> Message-ID: In article <199809072341.JAA02836 at mcegate.fujitsu.com.au>, Martyn Lawrence writes >I remember doll by doll being crap and given lots of stick,when they supported >hawkwind. I remember Doll by Doll not being given 10 seconds before being chanted off. I wouldn't know if they were crap or not. Of course, in those days, you proved how much you liked the band by booing the support. Weird behavior. Of course, it didn't occur they might be friends of the band or anything. The only cheer Vardis got next year, was refusing to leave the stage saying "We're not fucking Doll by Doll, you know." Hee hee, Steve Zodiac of Vardis with half a pound of talc in his hair. -- Jon From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Sep 8 06:12:15 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:12:15 +0100 Subject: HW: CHRONICLE In-Reply-To: Stuart A Hamilton's message of Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:24:50 +0100 Message-ID: Stuart A Hamilton writes: > A question. > > On the 1992 Dojo CD rerelease of COTBS there are two extra > tracks - live versions of The War I Survived & Voice Inside > My Head. > > Are these on any other release and, if so, what? Not those versions of the songs: The War I Survived 1 The Xenon Codex 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 Chronicle of The Black Sword [Dojo and Griffin CD only] Voice Inside My Head SEE: Brainstorm Brainstorm 1 Doremi Fasol Latido 1 Masters of the Universe [UA Compilation] 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 BBC Transcription Disc LP L 2 Space Rock from London L 2 a BBC Radio - Live In Concert CD L 3 BBC Transcription Disc - The Brian Matthews Show L 3 Dawn of Hawkwind L 4 Space Ritual Alive L 4 (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords L 5 Space Ritual II L 5 Ridicule L 5 Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 5 Hawkwind: The Masters L 6 The 1999 Party L 7 Acid Daze Vol II {Watchfield Festival} L 7 Hawkwind Anthology Vol.II {Watchfield Festival} L 8 Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77 [Second release of tape only] L 9 Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line L 10 Live '79 L 10 Ironstrike L 10 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] L 10 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] 11 Zones 11 Zones/Stonehenge CD L 12 Orgasmatron L 13 Live Chronicles {Wizards of Pan Tang} L 14 Live At Reading '86 L 15 Chronicle of the Black Sword [Dojo & Griffin CD]{Voice Inside My Head} L 16 Traveller's Aid Trust L 17 Damnation Alley [bootleg CD] L 18 California Brainstorm L 19 Timeless Paens From The Ongoing Rituals of Space [bootleg CD] * 2a is a remix of 2 * Versions 4 and 5 are from the same tour * Version 7 contains just the intro at the end of a jam * Version 13 is the middle of Brainstorm with extra lyrics overlaid FoFP From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Sep 8 06:21:55 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:21:55 +0100 Subject: OFF: Willie Dixon Led Zeppelin lawsuit In-Reply-To: <9809081158.ZM886@cs.vu.nl> Message-ID: At 11:58 08/09/98 +0200, Hulsebos A wrote: >On Sep 8, 9:52am, Dave Berry wrote: > >>FWIW, the it's now 70 years after you die. The EU states had different >>values for this period, and recently they brought them all into line. With >>the most restrictive, natch. > >That's interesting.... What's going to happen with copyrights that have ended >under the old rule, but not yet under the new one? I believe they're back in copyright, but I'm not sure. Dave. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK Tue Sep 8 06:55:48 1998 From: a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK (Alun Hughes) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:55:48 +0100 Subject: OFF: Willie Dixon Led Zeppelin lawsuit Message-ID: They go back into copyright. Some publishers have had to be pretty quick off the mark ... Alun >On Sep 8, 9:52am, Dave Berry wrote: > >>FWIW, the it's now 70 years after you die. The EU states had different >>values for this period, and recently they brought them all into line. With >>the most restrictive, natch. > >That's interesting.... What's going to happen with copyrights that have ended >under the old rule, but not yet under the new one? > >Arjan H From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Sep 8 12:16:15 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:16:15 -0700 Subject: BOC: 7 Sreaming Dizbusters Message-ID: >I have been totally preoccupied by this in the last few days so any of your thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated. Ok, ok, this is good. Lately the list (BOC content only) has been mighty stale. This is a good way to start a reasonable discussion. So I'll chip in a few points. 1. Don't like this song and never listen to it. 2. You may be on to something with this. 3. You have re-kindled my desire to have all of Imaginos re-done. If I had a million or two I'd a) Give Al everything he needed to do a double disc version. b) pay the cost of tBS and the band Savatage to get in the studio and get it done c) produce at least three high quality videos that would put the Music back into MTV d) allow Al to produce this on Broadway and e) hire Torgo and John Swartz as technical consultants on the project (they'd know if it was right). 4. Wonder how many other songs have some reference to the Imaginos story line. Do these songs cause sleepless nights too? Gee I strayed all over the mapo on this one. Back to hiding. Ghost in the Ruins "60 seconds to Midnight...60 seconds to nowhere baby. You have all become victims of the Evil Midnight Bomber what bombs...hey pay attention." EMB OBCD - Frank Marino/Mahogany Rush - Double Live From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Sep 8 12:51:56 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 17:51:56 +0100 Subject: BOC: 7 Sreaming Dizbusters In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 08 Sep 1998 09:16:15 PDT." Message-ID: > > Ok, ok, this is good. Lately the list (BOC content only) has been > mighty stale. This is a good way to start a reasonable discussion. So > I'll chip in a few points. > > 1. Don't like this song and never listen to it. While I appreciate taste is entirely personal & unique, I find this rather intriguing. 7S D-Bs is practically *the* definitive BOC song of their early work - sinister lyrics, spooky atmosphere and some great playing. What's there not to like - its got all the attributes that made BOC what they were ! Tim From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue Sep 8 13:20:05 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 13:20:05 -0400 Subject: BOC: 7 Sreaming Dizbusters Message-ID: Ghost said: >> 1. Don't like this song and never listen to it. >While I appreciate taste is entirely personal & unique, I find this rather >intriguing. 7S D-Bs is practically *the* definitive BOC song of their early >work - sinister lyrics, spooky atmosphere and some great playing. I would say this is true for the live version on "On Your Feet..." The studio version is somewhat "sour" sounding to my ears. Especially the "evil sound" which is made far too evil by Eric's out-of-tune accompaniment to the organ! ;-) And the live version showcases the band's tongue-in-cheek nature, "Hey Lou- loverboy" and "And he don't mean Reed" come to mind. The improv between Buck and Al top it all off. >What's there not to like - its got all the attributes that made BOC what they >were ! In this case, I'd have to say yes and no. >Tim Brian ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html "We are drawing a moustache on the wanted poster of the face of music." -Fierce Wicker ---------- From tclark at PETRONET.NET Tue Sep 8 13:29:33 1998 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:29:33 -0500 Subject: Anubian Lights Message-ID: Actually, I have not heard that one yet. I just recently signed up for this list and got "Wind" of it through this discussion group. Definitely want to look into other stuff as well....... Dave Berry wrote: > At 10:12 04/09/98 -0500, Tom Clark wrote: > >Just got the CD - "Not Let the Flame Die Out" ....can't take it out of the > >player...Simon House plays on one track, Nik Turner is on most playing > flute or > >sax.......this is some really trippy stuff...highly recommended, along with > >headphones........ > > > > Is it similar to "The Eternal Sky"? > > Dave. > > Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. > Tel: +44 131 240 6106. > From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Sep 8 13:53:00 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 18:53:00 +0100 Subject: BOC LIVE TRACKS [and a bit of HW] Message-ID: I was rummaging in a bargain bin and found a 3CD box set stunningly called The Metal Box. Well as there were 51 tracks on it and the price tag said ?4.99, I thought why not. Now there's a fair bit of HW and Motorhead spread among the tracks, but there's also two live BOC tracks - Born To Be Wild and and Reaper. The box set was issued by Pulse and is [c] Kaz Records 1995. They other tracks all seem to have originated with Castle, but where do the BOC tracks originally hail from. Z NP The Metal Box CD3 - Black Sabbath - Killing Yourself To Live -- ================================================================= ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 =========================================================================== From reyes at NJ.SEMI.HARRIS.COM Tue Sep 8 14:20:39 1998 From: reyes at NJ.SEMI.HARRIS.COM (Ross Reyes) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:20:39 EDT Subject: BOC: Secret Treaties Message-ID: Here's an oddity. I purchased a used ST CD and was quite surprised by the fact that it isn't a BOC ST at all but some sort of soft instrumental piece. Has anyone ever heard of such? The disc has all the proper CBS markings. It seems authentic. Does anyone know of a history of mislabled BOC discs? Appreciate any an all comments. RR From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Sep 8 14:32:13 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 19:32:13 +0100 Subject: BOC LIVE TRACKS [and a bit of HW] In-Reply-To: <35F56EFB.78EEB3B3@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: > The box set was issued by Pulse and is [c] Kaz Records > 1995. They other tracks all seem to have originated with > Castle, but where do the BOC tracks originally hail from. "Live 1976", almost certainly. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Sep 8 15:50:14 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:50:14 -0400 Subject: OFF: Harper/Allen NA tour Message-ID: Roy Harper tour dates... NORTH AMERICAN TOUR '98 (September 6th-24th) date city venue info Sun 9.06 New York, NY. The Knitting Factory 212.219.3006 Wed 9.09 Boston, MA. Mama Kin's 617.536.2100 w/ special guest Daevid Allen of Gong & The Soft Machine Thu 9.10 Philadelphia, PA. The North Star Bar 215.235.7826 w/ special guest Daevid Allen of Gong & The Soft Machine Sun 9.13 Alexandria, VA. (D.C.) The Birchemere 703.549.7500 Tue 9.15 Toronto, Ontario The Reverb 416.504.6699 Wed 9.16 Ottawa, Ontario Barrymore's 613.233.0307 Thu 9.17 Quebec City, Quebec L'Dauteuille 418.692.2263 Sat 9.19 Chicago, Il. The Abby Pub 773.478.4408 Sun 9.20 Milwaukee, WI. Shank Hall 414.276.7288 Tue 9.22 San Francisco, CA. Bottom Of The Hill 415.626.4455 w/ special guest Daevid Allen of Gong & The Soft Machine Wed 9.23 Santa Cruz, CA. Santa Cruz Billiards Cafe 831.425.0270 w/ special guest Daevid Allen of Gong & The Soft Machine From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Sep 8 16:05:06 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 16:05:06 -0400 Subject: OFF: Sky Cries Mary, _Fresh Fruits for the Liberation_ Message-ID: Paul said... >I just picked up a CD called _Fresh Fruits for the Liberation_ by Sky >Cries Mary in the used section today. I guess it's a new release, since >it's (C) 1998. It appears to be a collection of rarities, remixes, >etc., stretching all across their career. (It includes their track from >the Pink Floyd tribute, _Saucerful of Pink_, for example. [on-topic >reference!]) >Running time is ~62 minutes. I've not really had a chance to listen to >it, but the early stuff (tracks 1--4) sounds pretty weird and >"industrial." Yes, that's what I hear. I haven't got FFL or the first two terribly rare albums (soon to be re-released on CD, I believe), but I consistently hear 'industrial' as the main descriptive adjective (a redundancy?). Funny that the band at that time was Roderick Romero (still with them) and the two guys (Stringfellow and Auer) who later formed the alterna-pop group 'The Posies', as neither they nor the current SCM have any industrial leanings any longer. I had the immense pleasure of seeing SCM live last month in Seattle at the WOMAD three-day festival...they played an amazing 75-min. set to a very large (my best guess would be 800 or more) and enthusiastic audience. Tracks like Deep Sunless Sea, Elephant Song, Want, 2000 Lt. Yrs. from Home, Iceburg, etc. really blew us all away. Unfortunately, no ASOP (i.e., An Ant, the Stars, and Owl, and it's Prey), but what the hey? High expectations were not only met, but surpassed. Read my review in Aural Innovations (hint) if you want to hear more about this show. The sad news on the SCM front is that guitarist Michael Cozzi has split from the band, although he may appear at the next live performance in Bellingham, WA (Oct. 3 I think). But that will definitely be it for Cozzi in SCM. Too bad...he did nice things for them. This comes on the heels of Gordon Raphael's leaving the band and moving to NY (I think). BTW, Anisa (Romero) is the proper name of the co-lead singer, who just happens to be the wife of Roderick. She's got a wonderful voice, very elegant and waifish on stage, a perfect counter to Roderick's manic energy. Keith H. (FAA) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Sep 8 17:03:16 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 17:03:16 -0400 Subject: OFF: ProgDay report Message-ID: Hi Folks... Yesterday, I returned from a whirlwind 1000 mile trip to Chapel Hill, NC for the fourth annual ProgDay festival. Nine bands played over two days, hot miserable days, but at least that was (slightly) better than the other possible scenario, i.e., Hurricane Earl, who chose to head out into the Atlantic just in time. Well, I had a great time, heard some great music, and (as always) spent more money than I could afford. Here's a brief rundown of the bands, in order of relative 'enjoyment' 1. Par Lindh Project (Sweden) - the intended Saturday eve. headliner, who was rescheduled for Sunday aft. when Air France lost their instruments (temporarily). For those who don't know, they combine the classical (church organ-style) with powerful intricate rock music, with blazing guitars and thundering drums. Singer/violinist Magdalena Hagberg provides the 'coloratura' vocals...beautiful. 2. A Piedi Nudi (Italy) - Bands name means 'Naked Feet' (or barefoot), I presume. I didn't know these guys, but they were very impressive. Very diverse group. They never got too 'cute' with their music (i.e., they mixed the complex passages with countering 'smooth' melodies), and they've got wonderfully atmospheric keyboards (a la Richard Barbieri) that other prog bands don't use. 3. The Flower Kings (Sweden) - One of the better 'neo-prog' type bands...nice guitar work from leader Roine Stolt, dual vocalists, nice compositions that tend to wind around for 10 or 12 minutes each. 4. Alaska (Pennsylvania) - Very pleasant duo (!) that creates a full sound that you would expect to need 4-5 people to produce. Keyboardist was busy playing bass parts, texture and solos. Must've been some sequencing/sampling going on as well. Drummer/singer also played some guitar. 5. Crucible (Connecticut) - Another neo-prog band. Nicely done, but then nothing you haven't heard from Marillion/iQ/Pendragon before. 6. (tie) Discipline (Michigan) - Mix two parts Crimson and one part Marillion and this is what you get. Mediocre first 45-min. followed by very impressive last three songs. Still, I think an overrated group (their latest seemed to be No. 1 in everybody's Top Ten list for 1997 in prog circles). 6. (tie) Cast (Mexico) - Neo-proggish, but a little different. Ended up being the headliner for Saturday by default. Sounded better than the one album I have, but nothing really special. There's nothing about their sound that would lead anyone to guess that they're from Mexico. 7. Soundscape (Connecticut) - Dream Theatre-style prog metal. Not very original, but credibly done. Singer was ok most of the time, but got a little screechy at times, as they're oft to do. (My brother is *really* into this stuff, so I bought their CD.) 8. Brett Kull (Maryland/Pennsylvania?) - Ex-Echolyn guy playing a short set of acoustic numbers. He's got a nice singing voice and has some good songs, but there's only so much you can do with just yourself and a guitar. 9. Boud Deun (Virginia) - An agressive, instrumental fusion band pretending to be a prog band. They started out with a few mellower, simpler numbers that I liked ok, but the rest of their set left me cold. Great musicians (drummer and bassist especially), but they don't seem to know why they're making music, other than the fact that they can play it *really* well. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^ Well, there's my impressions...not really very much on-topic, though I'm sure a few of you are prog-heads. The band that would've been the 'space-rock' representative, Hungary's Korai Orom, was forced to cancel because KLM airlines rescinded their offer of free airfare at the last minute. They are a very cool band with a different flavour. I now have all three of their CD's, which they don't title (nor do they title the songs)...I haven't listened to '1995', but '1997' is really very interesting (and somewhat different from '1996'). Very rhythmic, tribal music with multiple layers (hell, they've got something like 12 people in the band) of percussion instruments, spacey guitar and electronics, some trumpet and other wind instruments, and a bit of chanting vocals here and there. It's kinda like techno music ('1996' less so), but with more 'organic' instrumentation. So if you like danceable music, but hate the stale over-sequenced techno/rave music (as I do), this is the band for you. Hopefully, they'll be offered a spot at ProgDay '99 as they would help break up the neo-prog onslaught and add colour accordingly (they'll need a bigger stage though). So I managed to pull this trip off pretty cheaply in one sense... $50 for the ticket $30 for gas $7.50 for tolls $16 camping fees and some money for food that I would've spent anyway. That was it, except for the $296 I spent on CDs, T-shirts, and a program. But I got all of the following (mix of new and used discs)... A Piedi Nudi - Eclissi (their newest...third release) Akasha - Akasha || or 90? - Aftlerlifecycle Korai Orom - 1995 Korai Orom - 1997 Pulsar - The Strands of the Future Caravan - In the Land of Grey and Pink Message - From Books and Dreams Soundscape - Discovery The Enid - Aerie Faerie Nonsense Circle - Fraten Gila - Gila Escapade - Searching for the Elusive Rainbow New Sun - Affects Poisoned Electrick Head - The Big Am? Head (can't read my own writing) Projeckt Two - Space Groove Alien Planetscapes - Life on Earth (spare copy for trade) Kingston Wall - Tri-Logy remaster (2CD) (had to have 'The Real Thing' on disc) plus Official ProgDay '98 T-shirt and program Par Lindh Project T-shirt ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The most interesting and relevant news to folks on boc-l is the upcoming inaugural NEARFest (NorthEast Art Rock Festival) on June 26-27, 1999 in Bethlehem, PA (a city I once lived in). Most of the artists planned (probably none confirmed at this early stage) for this event are the typical fare you come to expect from these things (i.e., Mastermind, Finneus Gauge, Spock's Beard, Alaska). But when talking to organizer Rob LaDuca (a fellow chemist), he mentioned that he was talking to Frank Bornemann about bringing Eloy over for this show!! Ocean II (their first release in a while) is due out soon, so perhaps this might become a reality. Who's in the band these days...is K-P Matziol still around?? Well, that's about all I have to say about my trip to Carolina. The trip home was long and boring (eight and a half straight hours of driving in the middle of the night), only interrupted by the pack of deer I very nearly blasted at 50 mph, and the time I nearly fell asleep at the wheel twenty miles from home. Keith H. (FAA) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Sep 8 20:57:53 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 20:57:53 -0400 Subject: OFF: Legendary Pink Dots NA tour Message-ID: Without further ado... Mon Oct. 12 Burlington, VT - Toast (all ages) Tue Oct. 13 Montreal, PQ - Cabaret (18+) Wed Oct. 14 Toronto, ONT - Opera House (all ages) Thu Oct. 15 London, ONT - Call the Office (all ages) Fri Oct. 16 Pontiac, MI - 7th House (18+) Sun Oct. 18 Cincinnati, OH - Bogart's Front Room (all ages) Tue Oct. 20 Boston, MA - Middle East (18+) Wed Oct. 21 Philadelphia, PA - Upstairs at Nicks (21+) Thu Oct. 22 New York City, - Wetlands (all ages) Fri Oct. 23 Washington, DC - Bayon (18+) Sat Oct. 24 Charlotte, NC - Tremont Street (16+) Sun Oct. 25 Chapel Hill, NC - Cat's Cradle (all ages) Tue Oct. 27 Myrtle Beach, SC - House of Blues (all ages) Wed Oct. 28 Orlando, FL - House of Blues (all ages) Thu Oct. 29 Tampa, FL - State Theatre (all ages) (unconfirmed) Fri Oct. 30 Jacksonville, FL - Fat Cat Music Halle (all ages) (unconfirmed) Sun Nov. 01 Atlanta, GA - Cotton Club (all ages) (unconfirmed) Mon Nov. 02 New Orleans - Howlin' Wolf, (unconfirmed) Tue Nov. 03 Austin, TX - Backroom, (unconfirmed) or Austin, TX - Stubbs/La Zona Rosa, (unconfirmed) Wed Nov. 04 Dallas, TX - Trees, (unconfirmed) or Dallas, TX - Trees/Lizard Lounge, (unconfirmed) Fri Nov. 06 Lawrence, KS - Bottleneck, (unconfirmed) Sat Nov. 07 St.Louis, - Galaxy, (unconfirmed) Sun Nov. 08 Milwaukee, - Rave Bar, (unconfirmed) Tue Nov. 10 Minneapolis, - 7th St. Entry, (unconfirmed) Wed Nov. 11 Chicago, IL - Metro, (18+) (unconfirmed) Fri Nov. 13 Denver, CO - Bluebird Theatre, (all ages) Sat Nov. 14 Denver, CO - Bluebird Theatre, (all ages) Sun Nov. 15 Boulder, CO - Fox Theatre, (unconfirmed) or Fort Collins, CO - Aggie Theatre, (unconfirmed) Tue Nov. 17 Salt Lake City, UT - DV-8, (unconfirmed) Thu Nov. 19 Phoenix, AZ - Gibsons, (unconfirmed) Fri Nov. 20 Los Angeles, CA - Roxy or Los Angeles, CA - El Rey Theatre, (unconfirmed) Sat Nov. 21 Los Angeles/Las Vegas - 2nd show option/HuntridgeTheatre, (unconfirmed) Sun Nov. 22 San Francisco, CA - Fillmore/Maritime Hall, (unconfirmed) Mon Nov. 23 Palo alto, - The Edge, (unconfirmed) Tue Nov. 24 Portland, OR - La Luna, (all ages) (unconfirmed) Wed Nov. 25 Seattle, - Showbox, (unconfirmed) Thu Nov. 26 Vancouver, - Starfish Room, (unconfirmed) Sat Nov. 28 Mexico City, (unconfirmed) End of January: LPDs in Greece - Athens & Thessaloniki Feb/March: London, UK, Paris, Germany, Scandinavia, Poland, Czec Republic From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Wed Sep 9 07:12:25 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 07:12:25 -0400 Subject: email address shift Message-ID: Are you still making copies of the HW covers tapes for $15? > ---------- > From: Allan T Grohe Jr[SMTP:iscladoc at IDIR.NET] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: Monday, July 06, 1998 4:26 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: email address shift > > Hi all, > > Due to some policy changes at work, I'll be reading email via my home > account again. > > Please address any HW Covers All inquiries to this address now. > > Thanks, > > Allan. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. > iscladoc at idir.net RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. > > Visit the Dreaming City: http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr > > "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." > - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ > From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Wed Sep 9 07:25:39 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 07:25:39 -0400 Subject: OFF: Oops, meant that to be a private message Message-ID: Sorry, seemed to have my head up my . . . well, you get the picture. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Sep 9 08:50:05 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 08:50:05 EDT Subject: BOC: 7 Sreaming Dizbusters In-Reply-To: <199809081652.RAA22912@aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: > From: bart > > > > Ok, ok, this is good. Lately the list (BOC content only) has been > > mighty stale. This is a good way to start a reasonable discussion. So > > I'll chip in a few points. > > > > 1. Don't like this song and never listen to it. > > While I appreciate taste is entirely personal & unique, I find this rather > intriguing. 7S D-Bs is practically *the* definitive BOC song of their early > work - sinister lyrics, spooky atmosphere and some great playing. > > What's there not to like - its got all the attributes that made BOC what they > were ! > > > Tim Agree with this one. Diz is a quintessential early BOC song. The out-of-tune stuff just makes it more eerie. BD's furious gtr work on the studio version--forget about it! Live, it comes off as a total joke, another imprtant aspect of BOC theo just off the picket line! you have nothing to lose but your chains... From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Wed Sep 9 04:48:00 1998 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 08:48:00 GMT Subject: HW: Rare Flicknife Bo Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1998-09-09 09:48 >To the best of my knowledge it has never been reissued and should be >original (I paid a lot for mine!) but the box should also contain: a >blue square box-sized poster with a black two headed hawk and several >paragraphs of explanation from Brian Tawn in red printing. There >should also be a black vinyl 12" interview disc and a purple badge with >blue printing "Hawkwind the official picture logbook" to complete the >set. If it has all of this then it's complete. >jill ---------- Thanks for this information. The box I saw only had the 3 picture disks - all the other stuff was missing and the box itself wasn't exactly in great condition. Think I will let this one pass.... Mark From christmu at EUNET.NO Wed Sep 9 09:20:33 1998 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu at EUNET.NO) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 15:20:33 +0200 Subject: OFF: Legendary Pink Dots NA tour In-Reply-To: <199809090900.LAA20496@login-2.eunet.no> Message-ID: These guys are great live, getting into really amazing psychedelic jams and cerebrally challenging monologues. A sort of Gothic Hawkwind (not gothic as in Sisters of Mercy as much as Arthur Brown or 60's Pink Floyd could be... LPD obviously have a heavy Barrett/Floyd influence and I suspect Allen's Gong to be another big one), though their albums and lineups vary quite wildly period to period or album to album (like Hawkwind? :)... currently they have a great sax/flutist who I remember doubling up saxes through weird electronic FX gear, they also have a guitarist who really jams out, and they use lots of those synth squeaks and bubbles and stretchy raygun sounds we all love so much. Likely the rhythm section's Twilight Circus 1-man act will open, which is sort of sideshow-carnival-dub-crazy Ozric Tentacles ... Check out the fairly recent albums like "Hallway of The Gods" ('95) or "From Here You'll Watch The World Go By" ('97) for Legendary Pink Dots at their spaciest. They just released a new one I haven't heard called "Nemesis Online" on their own Terminal Kaleidoscope label. They also cover a NEU! track on one of those Cleopatra tribute sets. If you find them, go for the Play It Again Sam label CDs of their older releases (like the excellent "The Crushed Velvet Apocalypse" ('89) or the representative 90-95 comp "Cante Mientras Puedras"), because most of the Soleilmoon reissues have cheap packaging and different (inferior) graphics. I also really recommend the early concept album "The Tower" (1984). For more fun about LPD, go unto http://www.brainwashed.com/lpd/ which has MP3s of the new album and loads of stuff. The "December 31 1999" monologue reproduced on the site was the most memorable monologue-dissolves-into-freakout bit live (along with one called "The Saucers Are Coming") Christian ObTape: Lotto - The Sound of Lotto! (incl. a track called "The Prophets of Lotto") ObCD: Anubian Lights - Let Not The Flame Die Out ObCDR: Glenn Fletcher - Void/Out Of It From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Sep 9 09:04:31 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 14:04:31 +0100 Subject: HW : Sonic Boom Killers Message-ID: I see from my Greyhound list theres a new comp out soon called Sonic Boom Killers. Best of singles a's and b's from 1970 - 1980 in digipack. 18 tracks in all. includes Silver Machine. German Import, I think. Greyhounds a dealer list so I don't know what the RRP'll be. About ?8.99 I think. I don't want to start record dealing here but if anyone really can't get one I'll see what I can do. -- Jon From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Sep 9 10:23:17 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 07:23:17 -0700 Subject: BOC: Dissin' Diz Busters? Not really, I'm just lame! Message-ID: Ghost said: >> 1. Don't like this song and never listen to it. >While I appreciate taste is entirely personal & unique, I find this rather intriguing. 7S D-Bs is practically *the* definitive BOC song of their early work - sinister lyrics, spooky atmosphere and some great playing. OK, it deserves an explanation but I warn you now its a very lame explanation... Let me state first that this is one of the best rocking songs BOC ever crafted. The Feet/Knees version used to make my tone arm smoke when played at 10. I will never argue that this isn't a quality song, initially I loved it. Until one day I paid close attention (as much as your average pot smoking teenager in '76 was capable of) and I noticed this... "Hey Lou- loverboy" and "And he don't mean Reed" come to mind." I didn't like Eric's little monologue. It rubbed me the wrong way at the wrong time. Yeah there was some dark tunes and dark bands in the 70's but this particular instant rubbed me the wrong way. I didn't know then it was tongue in cheek. I swore off the record after this. Lame I know. However bear in mind that lyrics in the 70's were not the end all for me. Most time I didn't know them or even cared. Heck pick out any song (except Astronomy) sung by Eric on the first three and I couldn't begin to tell you what he was mumbling. He sounded great doing it but the words just never sank in. At this point in my life my fave players in the band were Al, Joe and Buck, they were responsible for the groove you got with BOC. This takes me to another tagent, BOC become my fave band the first time I saw them becuase of the tremendous groove they had. Plenty of bands played heavy tuneage in the 70's but none of them had the same rythm as BOC. I bowed down at the temple of Bouchard, Al's soulful drumming and Joe's thumping hip grinding bass. Heheheheh I thought both of these guys were "brothers" in disguise. Buck I found totally strange, why was a jazz guitarist playing heavy metal music? To this day I firmly belive that Buck could play jazz music better than rock and roll. >I would say this is true for the live version on "On Your Feet..." The studio version is somewhat "sour" sounding to my ears. Especially the "evil sound" which is made far too evil by Eric's out-of-tune accompaniment to the organ! ;-) And the live version showcases the band's tongue-in-cheek nature, "Hey Lou- loverboy" and "And he don't mean Reed" come to mind. The improv between Buck and Al top it all off. Undoubtedly the MUSIC on the live version is top notch, only Subhuman exceeded it (IMHO). The studio version is just plain out flat. >What's there not to like - its got all the attributes that made BOC what they were ! Were? I guess your right as this is not the same band from the early days, so I'll get tangential once more THIS WAS THE TIME PERIOD TO MAKE IMAGINOS! Sorry Al, I know I harp on this way too much. OK, I hoped I cleared that up for those with questions. In summary, 7 Diz is not to be dissed, I just didn't like the song after a while for my own weird reasons. Ghost in the Ruins... who's gonna get weirder by listening to some Adam and the Ants... From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Sep 9 10:29:20 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 09:29:20 -0500 Subject: OFF: Legendary Pink Dots NA tour - Correction, I think Message-ID: On the off chance a Pink Dot fan is in the area and wants to see the band I think this... "Fri Oct. 23 Washington, DC - Bayon (18+)" ...should be Fri Oct. 23 Washington, DC - Bayou (18+). If you look for the Bayon in this area cabbies will take you on a very expensive ride. The Bayou is under the Key Bridge in Georgetown. Small, two levels, raggedy (same carpet since I was in college, class of 80') but a nice sound system. Its a good place to see a show but may be difficult to find if you don't know the area. At one time this was the premier showcase for Rock and Roll, at least not the arena acts. Govt Mule will also be rocking this place l8er this month. Stay off the bridge when they take the stage, you can feel the music as your driving by. Ghost in the Ruins From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Sep 9 11:11:12 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 11:11:12 -0400 Subject: OFF: Adam Ant/Swamp Boogie Queen Message-ID: AB writes: >who's gonna get weirder by listening to some Adam and the Ants... Ah, a chance to plug one of my other favorite bands - no, not Adam Ant, but SWAMP BOOGIE QUEEN, fronted by former Adam Ant backup singer Abigail Lenz. If you like your rock with a southern bluesy edge, sung by a gal who can sound a lot like Janis Joplin, check them out - they've got on CD out, "Ill Gotten Booty", released on the same day as Heaven Forbid (there ya go - I'm on topic!). For more info, check out their website at www.swampboogiequeen.com John From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Wed Sep 9 12:04:55 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 12:04:55 -0400 Subject: OFF: MP3 - Shameless Self Publicizing Message-ID: I was weeding out old e-mail when I came across Horse Whisperer's link to his band's (The Cheese Junkies) Web site. Well, it turns out that they have a new track available in MP3 format called Big Funk Mama. It's a pretty tasty chunk of groove, but I don't think it was quite as good as the track that was posted originally. Anybody know where Horse Whisperer went? Are you out there somewhere? Anyway, here's the site if you'd like to check the tune out: http://listen.to/the.cheese.junkies/ Brian ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html "We are drawing a moustache on the wanted poster of the face of music." -Fierce Wicker ---------- From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Sep 9 12:12:29 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 17:12:29 +0100 Subject: HW : Sonic Boom Killers Message-ID: It came out about three months ago on Repertoire. List price was ?12.99. If anyone wants a full track listing go to my home page, then Record Hunter, then Hawkwind. It's actually a remarkably good comp. Z Jon Browne wrote: > I see from my Greyhound list theres a new comp out soon called Sonic > Boom Killers. Best of singles a's and b's from 1970 - 1980 in digipack. > 18 tracks in all. includes Silver Machine. German Import, I think. > Greyhounds a dealer list so I don't know what the RRP'll be. > About ?8.99 I think. I don't want to start record dealing here but if > anyone really can't get one I'll see what I can do. > -- > Jon -- ================================================================= ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 =========================================================================== From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Sep 9 20:17:33 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 01:17:33 +0100 Subject: HW: Support act at some S In-Reply-To: <199809072341.JAA02836@mcegate.fujitsu.com.au> Message-ID: At 09:41 08/09/98 EST, Marty wrote: >> >Cant help you out mark,didn't one of the hawkfans have a scicon article in it. >Here in Melbourne the other week,jackie levine? Jackie Leven - these days, he's magnificent, lyrical & poetical >ex-doll by doll was out here and was being raved about. >I remember doll by doll being crap and given lots of stick,when they supported >hawkwind. I only saw him with Doll by Doll once, and wasn't tooo impressed at the time, but I think it was mostly 'coz they didn't seem very appropriate for whoever they were supporting - & maybe I wasn't really ready for them... I also saw him as "John St.Field" as a support on Man's "Up For The Day" tour... (and now it's their 30th Anniv. tour: Anybody going?) > >other support bands remembered. >--snip--< >cant remember if marseille ever supported HW,but they were bloody loud at a UFO >gig. Among the worst bands I ever saw, and intolerably loud (strange, because I didn't have a problem with Motorhead in the same club!) - I think "shrill" is perhaps the right word! One of the few bands I ever walked out on; didn't they used to wear some sort of ludicrous outfits involving French matelot striped shirts? ChrisW Just Played: King Crimson/Epitaph Vol.3 Free your mind & watch your ass! From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Thu Sep 10 06:17:43 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 05:17:43 -0500 Subject: BOC: Dissin' Diz Busters? Message-ID: Hi there, Diz-busters was always one of my favorite songs, I love the way the instruments flow during the verse of the song, there's just so much to listen to, then kinda becoming more contemporary during the chorus and then after the "Lucifer the light", exploding into the awesome riff we all know so well. The music is definitely the most important with any band, but the Cults lyrics are just so damn interesting, there the only band I have ever listened to that I have actually put forth effort into trying to understand them. If you weren't getting the lyric, maybe you were just standing to close to the speakers like Charles Grodin was ;-), just kidding about the Grodin crack I couldn't help myself, I consider you guys my friends and sometimes crack a joke or two :-). I don't think Buck would be a better Jazz musician, I couldn't hear him doing that, Jazz is a very technical form of music I guess and when it comes to technicality none are higher than Buck, but I have always hated Jazz, it always seemed to "random" for me, Bucks unique and original guitar playing was just another thing that set them apart and above the rest of the crowd. About groove, definitely, no other band has had a better groove and no other band ever will, "Before the Kiss, a Redcap" nuff said with that song. BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: > Let me state first that this is one of the best rocking songs BOC ever > crafted. The Feet/Knees version used to make my tone arm smoke when > played at 10. I will never argue that this isn't a quality song, > initially I loved it. Until one day I paid close attention (as much as > your average pot smoking teenager in '76 was capable of) and I noticed > this... > > "Hey Lou- loverboy" and "And he don't mean Reed" come to mind." > > I didn't like Eric's little monologue. It rubbed me the wrong way at > the wrong time. Yeah there was some dark tunes and dark bands in the > 70's but this particular instant rubbed me the wrong way. I didn't know > then it was tongue in cheek. I swore off the record after this. > > Lame I know. However bear in mind that lyrics in the 70's were not the > end all for me. Most time I didn't know them or even cared. Heck pick > out any song (except Astronomy) sung by Eric on the first three and I > couldn't begin to tell you what he was mumbling. He sounded great doing > it but the words just never sank in. At this point in my life my fave > players in the band were Al, Joe and Buck, they were responsible for the > groove you got with BOC. > > This takes me to another tagent, BOC become my fave band the first time > I saw them becuase of the tremendous groove they had. Plenty of bands > played heavy tuneage in the 70's but none of them had the same rythm as > BOC. I bowed down at the temple of Bouchard, Al's soulful drumming and > Joe's thumping hip grinding bass. Heheheheh I thought both of these > guys were "brothers" in disguise. Buck I found totally strange, why was > a jazz guitarist playing heavy metal music? To this day I firmly belive > that Buck could play jazz music better than rock and roll. > > >I would say this is true for the live version on "On Your Feet..." The > studio version is somewhat "sour" sounding to my ears. Especially the > "evil sound" which is made far too evil by Eric's out-of-tune > accompaniment to the organ! ;-) And the live version showcases the > band's tongue-in-cheek nature, "Hey Lou- loverboy" and "And he don't > mean Reed" come to mind. The improv between Buck and Al top it all off. > From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Thu Sep 10 06:33:07 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 05:33:07 -0500 Subject: BOC: Secret Treaties Message-ID: Ross Reyes wrote: > Here's an oddity. I purchased a used ST CD and was quite surprised > by the fact that it isn't a BOC ST at all but some sort of soft instrumental > piece. Has anyone ever heard of such? > > The disc has all the proper CBS markings. It seems authentic. Does > anyone know of a history of mislabled BOC discs? > > Appreciate any an all comments. > > RR That's odd, I have never heard of that before. Does the CD have all the markings on the cover, like all the BOC song titles etc, is the insert exactly the same? Looks like you might have one of the weirdest and rarest BOC collectibles around, if its fair to call it a BOC collectable. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Sep 10 08:48:04 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:48:04 -0400 Subject: BOC: Dissin' Diz Busters? Message-ID: I'll throw in a few thoughts on the 7 Screamin' ones... My first BOC album was Some Enchanted Evening, but I quickly assimilated all of them (on 8-track!), and I recall that OYFOOYK was one of the first ones. As has been said here by others before, that opening track, Subhuman, quickly became the definitive BOC song for me - rockin', and yet psychadelic - and the blend of textures of the instruments - 2 guitars, keys, bass, and drums - raw yes, but oh so good. My next favorite track from that album was probably 7 Screaming Diz-Busters -- I remember this song as the ultimate BOC tunes for wacked-out lyrics at that time. And the music! Again, lots of instrumental texture here - and also more variety of musical styles than Subhuman - from a mellow, almost jazzy feel to the prototype speed metal - with lots of great soloing from Buck, and some great shifts in the song before and after Eric's "Lucifer the Light" monologue. I heard a live broadcast of BOC in the early 80s that included a 1975 show in Seatle (that appears on the infamous "Live in the West" tape), where Eric's monlogue is about "the dude in the sharkskin suit", and how Eric makes a deal with the devil to become a rock star. The instrumentation on that version is even BETTER than OYFOOYK - the way the band comes to a halt after Buck's solo, and right before Eric's rap - and then just the brothers Bouchard come in, Albert providing a simple stark beat to Joe's pounding out a simple bass figure - then in comes some sinewy keys by Allen, and Eric does his thing, and then after he sings "I'm comin' to take you away", and then "1 2 3 4!" and the band slams it for the final 30 seconds -- ooh, the memories... Pardon me, I gotta go change my underwear now... ;-) John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Sep 10 08:49:55 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:49:55 -0400 Subject: BOC: AOF mentioned in October Guitar World Message-ID: The latest issue of Guitar World (with KISS on the cover - the October issue) has a nice review of BOC's classic album, Agents of Fortune. Check it out. John PS: Also, in a quick blurb about a new version of the EBow, it mentions that the original EBow was used on "Don't Fear the Reaper". From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Sep 10 09:53:47 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:53:47 -0500 Subject: OFF: The FAQ man cometh Message-ID: >Ah, a chance to plug one of my other favorite bands - no, not Adam Ant, but SWAMP BOOGIE QUEEN, Heheheheh, Faqman you are too much. Another one? You know what I'm talking about. Wonder if anyone else on the list has noticed this trend of yours. BTW, missed Vixen at Jaxx but a friend said they tore the place up; he went out and bought the new album. Ghost in the Ruins "Ant music for sex people, sex music for ant people." From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Sep 10 06:44:16 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:44:16 +0000 Subject: BOC: Dissin' Diz Busters? Not really, I'm just lame! Message-ID: > OK, it deserves an explanation but I warn you now its a very lame > explanation... Ah, who says? So you don't like a song...heck, it's not even a big deal that you don't like a song that 99% of your "peers" consider a classic. It comes down to personal taste. And just for the record, let me proudly admit, taking into account ALL THINGS BOC, my absolute favorite from the very beginning and still to this day is FIREWORKS. For whatever reason, I've just always thought it was the neatest little number they ever did. BTW, does anybody know what this song is about? It always reminded me of Phantom of the Opera, but I'm probably way off! -- Nick From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Sep 10 10:43:50 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:43:50 -0400 Subject: OFF: The FAQ man cometh Message-ID: >Heheheheh, Faqman you are too much. Another one? You know what I'm talking about. Wonder if anyone else on the list has noticed this trend of yours. Wasn't like I mentioned Y&T or anything... ;-) John From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Sep 10 06:54:59 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:54:59 +0000 Subject: BOC: Dissin' Diz Busters? Message-ID: >> Heck pick > > out any song (except Astronomy) sung by Eric on the first three and I > > couldn't begin to tell you what he was mumbling. He sounded great doing > > it but the words just never sank in. BOC is definitely the hardest band to understand to my ears, even after nearly 20 years of listening...and these guys have been among my top 5 favorite bands all that time! I find it ironic that Heaven Forbid is the easiest of all BOC albums to understand lyrically, yet they chose this one as the FIRST FUCKIN' BOC ALBUM WITH PRINTED LYRICS! And I'm no dummy, either...I've got Lemmy down to a science, to the point where I don't even have to read Motorhead lyrics to figure out what he's saying!!! Do a lot of other people feel this way? I'm talking everybody in the band, too...not just Eric. I think part of the reason is that they say such bizarre things...things the normal person couldn't them figure out in a million years. Anyone else got any theories? -- Nick From des at SUPERLINK.NET Thu Sep 10 11:08:17 1998 From: des at SUPERLINK.NET (E F) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:08:17 -0400 Subject: Fantastic Four movie purchasing Message-ID: Sorry to bring back something so off topic. Can someone repost or email me the site that has the FF movie for sale, I accidentally deleted it. Thanks, --Eric des at superlink.net -- Words to live by from my cat: -If I had two dead mice, I'd give you one. From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Thu Sep 10 11:18:24 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:18:24 -0400 Subject: Fantastic Four movie purchasing Message-ID: http://www.sigma.net/4freedoms/Museum/FFMovie.html > ---------- > From: E F[SMTP:des at SUPERLINK.NET] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 1998 11:08 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Fantastic Four movie purchasing > > Sorry to bring back something so off topic. > > Can someone repost or email me the site that has the FF movie for sale, > I accidentally deleted it. > > Thanks, > > --Eric > des at superlink.net > > -- > Words to live by from my cat: > -If I had two dead mice, > I'd give you one. > From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Sep 10 11:17:51 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:17:51 -0400 Subject: BOC: Dissin' Diz Busters? Message-ID: >>> Heck pick >> > out any song (except Astronomy) sung by Eric on the first three and I >> > couldn't begin to tell you what he was mumbling. He sounded great doing >> > it but the words just never sank in. > >BOC is definitely the hardest band to understand to my ears, even >after nearly 20 years of listening...and these guys have been among >my top 5 favorite bands all that time! I find it ironic that Heaven >Forbid is the easiest of all BOC albums to understand lyrically, yet >they chose this one as the FIRST FUCKIN' BOC ALBUM WITH PRINTED >LYRICS! Well.... Extraterrestial Live had printed lyrics, too, just they weren't exactly as sung.... the Moorcock ones were interesting (Black Blade & Veteran), they had several extra lines not in the songs (as sung), but they look like stuff Moorcock probably wrote for them.... You did, of course, send off the 50 cents for the nice green and white striped computer printout (all caps) of the lyrics, right? They weren't perfect, but helped a lot... ============================================ Yes I know the secrets of the iron and mind they're trinity acts, a mineral fire Yes I know the secrets of the circuitry mind It's a Flaming Wonder Telepath!" - "Flaming Telepaths" by Blue ?yster Cult ) -AAA From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Sep 10 19:55:55 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:55:55 -0400 Subject: HW/OFF: Wot's these?? Message-ID: Hi Folks... Was just browsing through on-line catalogues, and saw the following unfamiliar titles....anybody recognise any of these?? Eloy - Fire & Ice (perhaps a single/EP??) Alan Davey - Captured Live (EBSSCD 122) - a future EBS release?? (I hope so...I bet these Bedouin guys rock live) Dead Flowers - Sweetfish (D31141) - can't be official...a boot/comp?? Hawkwind - Hustle into Bed (STFCD2) - a new boot?? Wasn't on AD's master list. Nektar - Mooie Ogen - says a 2-track single (never heard of this...something in the Dutch language apparently). I'm sure it's not new 'reunion' material. You find something new every day... Keith H. (FAA) ObIt'saSmallWorldAfterAll: I walked through our polar library today, and our chief librarian, a woman of about 45 years, (upon noticing my Strange Daze Tee) asked me where I'd seen Hawkwind. I thought that was sort of odd, but then she shocked me when after I'd said something about seeing them 16 times, she countered with 'Yeah, I remember seeing them with my ex-husband...oh, around 1974-75, back in Chicago.' Upon completion of this conversation, I had come to the conclusion that she had seen the '1999 Party' 2CD show!! She admitted she didn't remember too much about it, but then she wouldn't tell me why. :) From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Thu Sep 10 20:17:57 1998 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:17:57 +1000 Subject: OFF: Ursa Major Message-ID: Sorry to bother you with this, but does anyone own a CD copy of Ursa Major (featuring Dick Wagner, 1972)? I'd like to find out the catalogue number for it and see if I can get it locally before ordering os. I know it's available from DW's website (http://www.wagnermusic.com/merchandise.html for anyone who's interested), but it doesn't have the number listed, and I couldn't find it anywhere else on the net. Please email privately if you can help. Thanks, Pete. *************************************************************************** Peter Sondergeld Email. p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "I'm no stranger to hard work - more of a nodding acquaintance." - D.G. Harris **************************************** From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Sep 10 20:38:30 1998 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 20:38:30 -0400 Subject: BOC: Dissin' Diz Busters? Message-ID: Laj wrote: >sometimes crack a joke or two :-). I don't think Buck would be a better Jazz >musician, I couldn't hear him doing that, Jazz is a very technical form of >music I guess and when it comes to technicality none are higher than Buck, >but I have always hated Jazz, it always seemed to "random" for me, Bucks >unique and original guitar playing was just another thing that set them >apart and above the rest of the crowd. About groove, definitely, no other Buck's dad, Don Roeser Sr., (Buck is Don Roeser Jr.) is an excellent JAZZ sax player. He has played semi-professionally all his life and Don Jr,'s first experience playing in a band was sitting in with his father. Buck's first musical vocabulary was jazz. I'm sure he could be a jazz giant if that's what he chose to do. From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri Sep 11 00:18:21 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 04:18:21 +0000 Subject: BOC: Dissin' Diz Busters? Message-ID: > You did, of course, send off the 50 cents for the nice > green and white striped computer printout (all caps) of > the lyrics, right? They weren't perfect, but helped > a lot... Actually no...All my BOC was on cassette, and for whatever reason, I don't recall ever seeing that offer on any of the tapes. It wasn't until many years later when I picked up some vinyl copies just for the hell of it, and by then I assumed it was too late. Same for ETL...I got the LP many years later. Until I saw it in a used record store, I never knew it had the lyrics. And of course, like many of those 70s/early 80s CBS offerings, I had to buy several copies of the tape over a span of about 10 years. -- Nick From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Fri Sep 11 06:15:52 1998 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 12:15:52 +0200 Subject: HW/OFF: Wot's these?? Message-ID: Keith Henderson schrieb: > Hi Folks... > > Was just browsing through on-line catalogues, and saw the following > unfamiliar titles....anybody recognise any of these?? > > Eloy - Fire & Ice (perhaps a single/EP??) > Alan Davey - Captured Live (EBSSCD 122) - a future EBS release?? (I hope > so...I bet these Bedouin guys rock live) The cat. no. is the one of "Captured Rotation", so I think it?s just misspelt. > Dead Flowers - Sweetfish (D31141) - can't be official...a boot/comp?? There?s another probably U.S. band by the same name that?s got nothing to do with the fabulous UK band who don?t exist anymore. > Hawkwind - Hustle into Bed (STFCD2) - a new boot?? Wasn't on AD's master > list. ???? > Nektar - Mooie Ogen - says a 2-track single (never heard of this...something > in the Dutch language apparently). I'm sure it's not new 'reunion' > material. Mooie Ogen is dutch and means "beautiful eyes". Andreas From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Sep 10 13:14:22 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:14:22 +0100 Subject: Fantastic Four movie purchasing In-Reply-To: <35F7EB61.61D0@superlink.net> Message-ID: In article <35F7EB61.61D0 at superlink.net>, E F writes >Sorry to bring back something so off topic. > >Can someone repost or email me the site that has the FF movie for sale, >I accidentally deleted it. > >Thanks, > > --Eric > des at superlink.net > >-- >Words to live by from my cat: > -If I had two dead mice, > I'd give you one. It sucks!!!!!! It SUCKS!!!!! -- Jon sorry, long day. From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Sep 11 10:38:18 1998 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 00:38:18 +1000 Subject: HW/OFF: Wot's these?? Message-ID: On 10 Sep 98, at 19:55, Keith Henderson wrote about HW/OFF: Wot's these??: > Eloy - Fire & Ice (perhaps a single/EP??) Yeah - I'd seen that on supplier lists too .... it is the single of the track of the same name from the album "Destination". Don't know when it was released, if it's a different version or what the other tracks are ... R U on Eloy-l? S. obOnTopic: My Hawkwind pages will soon be moving. Lot's of work still to do yet (so don't change any links just yet), but if any of you have browsers other than the ones I've tested with (IE3.02, NS4.04 and IE4.01 for Win95) and if you feel like telling me what doesn't work I'd appreciatte it! The URL is http://sonique.net (yep!) .... only the "Contact", "What's New" and "Hawkwind" links do anything yet. It might be a while before it's finished (you know how it is) Comments prolly should be kept off the list ... mail be privately if anything's broke (except links - I *know* they go nowhere ....) Soniqu? -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #14292706 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Fri Sep 11 18:01:11 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:01:11 -0400 Subject: BOC: Dissin' Diz Busters? ESP NICK Message-ID: I did.. 15 years later I'm still waiting. BTW, NICK ENGLISH... where do you live? I notice we have the same ISP, and it only has 400 users! I live in Bensalem... let me guess.... Bristol? Rj > > > You did, of course, send off the 50 cents for the nice > > green and white striped computer printout (all caps) of > > the lyrics, right? They weren't perfect, but helped > > a lot... > From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Fri Sep 11 18:08:24 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:08:24 -0400 Subject: HW: Please Post Euro-dates circa November Message-ID: Anyone have any HW dates for November? Thanks in adv. rj From v.stephenson at VIRGIN.NET Fri Sep 11 19:42:18 1998 From: v.stephenson at VIRGIN.NET (Vincent Stephenson) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 00:42:18 +0100 Subject: New (again) Message-ID: Hi all Once upon a time I posted a message about being new to this group and could anyone help me rebuild my HW collection , point me in right direction etc.. Lots of good people replied with excellent info , sadly as I was collating this info and sorting for replies etc my PC went to computer heaven!!!!!!!!! I have rebuilt and the monster breathes once more *but* all data was lost . So I humbly ask if anyone has copies of the mails they sent me in their *sent* folders I would be really happy to recieve them again!! Also , when I first went to HW gig at malvern winter gardens UK, back sometime in the 80`s I bought an excellent book by (I Think) Chris Tait (spelling?!) Which was basically a HW history and I enjoyed it very much . Sadly it has since been stolen (or traded for hash possibly :-)) and if anyone can point me in the direction to pick up another I would be ecstatic about that!! BTW any UK list members see the BBC Rock Family Tree on Sabbath tonight? what did you think if ya did? cheers Vince Stephenson v.stephenson at virgin.net From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri Sep 11 21:03:22 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 02:03:22 +0100 Subject: HW/OFF: Wot's these?? In-Reply-To: <199809102355.TAA26321@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: At 19:55 10/09/98 -0400, you wrote: >Nektar - Mooie Ogen - says a 2-track single (never heard of this...something > in the Dutch language apparently). I'm sure it's not new 'reunion' material. It means "Pretty Eyes" or "Beautiful Eyes".... >You find something new every day... > >Keith H. (FAA) You sure do! ChrisW NextUp: Sacred Sites by Return To The Source Free your mind & watch your ass! From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Sep 11 21:29:16 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 21:29:16 -0400 Subject: HW: New (again) In-Reply-To: <003401bddddd$d0be8660$bb3fa8c2@apollo> Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Sep 1998, Vincent Stephenson wrote: => Also , when I first went to HW gig at malvern winter gardens UK, back => sometime in the 80`s I bought an excellent book by (I Think) Chris Tait Hey, small world! I went to see Hawkwind at the Malvern Winter Gardens in, um..., 1986 or 1987 (I forget precisely which)---it must've been the same gig. That was my first Hawkwind gig, and a highly enjoyable one! As for the Kris Tait book, I bought mine mail-order, from the official Hawkwind merchandise address, but that was at least six or seven years ago. Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, _North Circular_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Sep 11 22:20:14 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 22:20:14 -0400 Subject: HW/OFF: Wot's these?? Message-ID: Andreas helps clear things up a bit... >> Hi Folks... >> >> Was just browsing through on-line catalogues, and saw the following >> unfamiliar titles....anybody recognise any of these?? >> >> Eloy - Fire & Ice (perhaps a single/EP??) >> Alan Davey - Captured Live (EBSSCD 122) - a future EBS release?? (I hope >> so...I bet these Bedouin guys rock live) > >The cat. no. is the one of "Captured Rotation", so I think it?s just misspelt. Yeah, that seems to be the case. Too bad. :( I think this album *should* be made in the next year or so, credited to the full band, Beduoin. >> Dead Flowers - Sweetfish (D31141) - can't be official...a boot/comp?? > >There?s another probably U.S. band by the same name that?s got nothing to do with >the fabulous UK band who don?t exist anymore. Well, I did manage to find a concert listing for a show by Dead Flowers in Dallas, TX, but I don't know who these guys are. The CD in question seemed to be a European import, so perhaps there's actually three of them. Here in Columbus, we have a band called 'Dead Flower Bloom' so I guess it's a common theme. >> Hawkwind - Hustle into Bed (STFCD2) - a new boot?? Wasn't on AD's master >> list. > >???? Well, it seems this mail order catalog has a number of erroneous entries. I've discovered that the album in question is by a band called 'Delicatessen'. No relation to Hawkwind. Some mention of band member(s) playing with Nick Cave. >> Nektar - Mooie Ogen - says a 2-track single (never heard of this...something >> in the Dutch language apparently). I'm sure it's not new 'reunion' >> material. > >Mooie Ogen is dutch and means "beautiful eyes". With the above errors, who knows what this could *really* be??? I like that title though, but I'm not sure that it's pronounced as I would think. Keith H. (FAA) "Dear Mr. Murdoch, what have you done? You're not quite as nice as Atilla the Hun." (Roger Taylor) From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Sep 12 02:44:22 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 07:44:22 +0100 Subject: New (again) Message-ID: There's a list oh HW etc for sale on my web site [URL below], selct Record Hunter, the HW links are there. I saw the Sabbath show and thought it was as good as it's likely to get in such a short time. Less scandal than the Purple show of a couple of years ago but it's good to see the archive clips etc. Worth keeping the tape, methinks. Z Vincent Stephenson wrote: > So I humbly ask if anyone has copies of the mails they sent me in their > *sent* folders I would be really happy to recieve them again!! > > BTW any UK list members see the BBC Rock Family Tree on Sabbath tonight? > what did you think if ya did? > cheers > Vince Stephenson > v.stephenson at virgin.net -- ================================================================= ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 =========================================================================== From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Sat Sep 12 03:16:59 1998 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:16:59 +1000 Subject: HW: No Moorcock in the Hawklords Message-ID: Hi all, For those who were getting excited about Michael Moorcock performing with the Hawks next year - because of Brock not getting into the US, the organization of it hasn't happened - so doesn't look likely. But, (and this is a very big but, IMHO) Mike says he's seriously thinking about doing some more music in the future - which is a very exciting prospect. He says: "the stuff we'd do would be much closer to Brothel in Rossenstrasse than New World's Fair -- far more idiosyncratically mixed and a cleaner, more elegant, sound" Just a little bit of info that counterbalances the above news... - Max Wilcox From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Sat Sep 12 03:37:01 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 02:37:01 -0500 Subject: BOC: Baby Ice Dog Message-ID: Hi everybody, I have a question about the "Bitch" in "Baby Ice Dog", on the second verse it is sang and I quote "Her intent it was all too clear, all too clear", does anybody know what her intent could be? Since it is my firm belief that you can never delve too deep into a BOC song, she must of had some kind of intent, it must of been pretty bad to because of the reaction "the Mongolian man" took, "Baby ice went down to the cold, cold, cold ground". I know she crossed him once too often, and that might be reason enough to kill her, but she still must of had some sort of intent right, what was going to happen up in the mountains? "How the ice caved in", does this mean she sort of fell through a crack in the ice while he watched? well baby that's the breaks :-). And thanks to everybody that helped me with my "7 Screaming Diz-busters" inquiry. From boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK Sat Sep 12 08:12:15 1998 From: boclist at HWIND.GLOBALNET.CO.UK (XXX) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 13:12:15 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind passports Message-ID: HAWKWIND PASSPORTS ARE NOW AVAILABLE. SEND AN A5 SAE TO HAWKWIND PASSPORTS PO BOX 28 HONITON EAST DEVON EX14 8AP ENGLAND UK APPLICANTS MUST FILL IN DETAILS AND RETURN TO US FOR VALIDATION. PASSPORTS WILL GIVE ACCESS TO SPECIAL CDs, VIDEOS AND PRIVATE FUNCTIONS. END OF MESSAGE........................................ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Sat Sep 12 10:49:55 1998 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 14:49:55 GMT Subject: BOC: Fireworks In-Reply-To: <199809101446.KAA07525@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: Nick English wrote: >And just for the record, let me proudly admit, taking into account >ALL THINGS BOC, my absolute favorite from the very beginning and >still to this day is FIREWORKS. For whatever reason, I've just always >thought it was the neatest little number they ever did. BTW, does >anybody know what this song is about? It always reminded me of >Phantom of the Opera, but I'm probably way off! My favorite, too, as the whole Spectres, minus Celine. About the story in Fireworks.. dunno...the words are clear, but the point is elusive. Maybe... girl meets a cultist, or magician, or drug dealer, who first seduces her, and at last kills her with the same fiery ritual, or drug. But...hey! This is purely Al's song So, Al, what is your opinion about the plot & outcome of Fireworks? ;-) Goran Janicijevic From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Sep 12 11:54:16 1998 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:54:16 GMT Subject: New (again) In-Reply-To: <003401bddddd$d0be8660$bb3fa8c2@apollo> Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Sep 1998 00:42:18 +0100, you sent through the ether: >BTW any UK list members see the BBC Rock Family Tree on Sabbath tonight? >what did you think if ya did? Total gloss job.. the demise of the late Sabbath was far gorier than they showed, didn`t they have a roadie on vocals for one album? What about Tony Iommi`s chopped off finger? I would have thought a guitarist with 9 fingers & a thimble was worth a mention.. The Sabbath story is being forced into some kind of "real life Spinal Tap". I didn`t like the way the actual music was ignored except for 2 minutes on the 1st album. Sabbath Bloody Sabbath is a very accomplished album, not least Bill Wards drumming which if you listen wouldn`t be out of place on a Stax record. I`d love to see Rock Family Trees attempt Hawkwind.. it would have to be a 6 parter.. :) I think RFT should get back to the Fleetwood Macs of this world, something the yuppie producers can`t mess up. -S. From mordru at FLITE.NET Sat Sep 12 17:54:32 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:54:32 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind passports Message-ID: > > >HAWKWIND PASSPORTS ARE NOW AVAILABLE. Do these include entry visas? -AAA From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Sun Sep 13 11:08:36 1998 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 15:08:36 GMT Subject: BOC: The Other Side of our minds In-Reply-To: <199809101456.KAA07684@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: Nick English wrote: >Do a lot of other people feel this way? I'm talking everybody in the >band, too...not just Eric. I think part of the reason is that they >say such bizarre things...things the normal person couldn't them figure >out in a million years. Anyone else got any theories? BOC are considered to be one of the best four researchers of the dark side of the human mind in rock music. The others three are The Doors, Velvet Underground and Joy Division. Well - yes, there are other performers who could fit into this category, but these are the most convincing. And this is exactly IT what distinguishes BOC from the other hard/metal brotherhood, and make them a sort of "higher form of life" not only in the HM department, but in the rock world overall. Goran Janicijevic From vforss at ICENET.FI Sun Sep 13 15:05:25 1998 From: vforss at ICENET.FI (Ville Forss) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 22:05:25 +0300 Subject: Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music Message-ID: I just got the Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music LP, and noticed that my copy is printed so that the front is on the back and the back is on the front (well, you get the picture). I read that these weren't printed that much, and was wondering if it's considered rare/collectible and/or if it increases the value of the copy? -- Ville Forss vforss at icenet.fi http://koti.icenet.fi/~vforss/ From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Sun Sep 13 15:29:14 1998 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 15:29:14 EDT Subject: Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music Message-ID: i'm not aware of either 1 being more valuable than the other. i've seen each one go for around $10 each... but its nice to have them both bob http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html In a message dated 98-09-13 15:05:55 EDT, you write: << I just got the Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music LP, and noticed that my copy is printed so that the front is on the back and the back is on the front (well, you get the picture). I read that these weren't printed that much, and was wondering if it's considered rare/collectible and/or if it increases the value of the copy? -- Ville Forss vforss at icenet.fi http://koti.icenet.fi/~vforss/ >> From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Sep 13 18:18:46 1998 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:18:46 +1000 Subject: Hawkwind passports Message-ID: On 12 Sep 98, at 17:54, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > >HAWKWIND PASSPORTS ARE NOW AVAILABLE. > > Do these include entry visas? oooooh .... careful Andy, the R.O.D.S. Robot can be reprogrammed you know :) S From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Sep 13 19:57:50 1998 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 19:57:50 -0400 Subject: BOC: Fireworks Message-ID: >But...hey! This is purely Al's song So, Al, what is your opinion >about the plot & outcome of Fireworks? ;-) Uh... Ah... Ah'm sorry but (in the words our president SHOULD HAVE used) that's my personal life and I do not wish to discuss it at this time. ;-) From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Sep 14 00:41:22 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 04:41:22 +0000 Subject: New (again) Message-ID: > I`d love to see Rock Family Trees attempt Hawkwind.. it would have to be > a 6 parter.. :) How about Uriah Heep? That would have to be a 12-parter! BTW, for anyone who cares, Heep has a new studio album coming out called "Sonic Origami. Last I heard it was THIS TUESDAY...and we're talking worldwide release. Apparently, the U.S. deal they signed also includes a stateside release of their last two albums, 1995's amazing "Sea of Light" and the recent live album "Spellbinder". -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Sep 14 00:41:22 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 04:41:22 +0000 Subject: BOC: Dissin' Diz Busters? ESP NICK Message-ID: > BTW, NICK ENGLISH... where do you live? I notice we have the same ISP, > and it only has 400 users! I live in Bensalem... let me guess.... > Bristol? > > Rj I live in State College, PA...way off. Don't know what the deal is with the ISP thing...????? From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Sep 14 05:37:36 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:37:36 +0100 Subject: OFF: RFT Sabbath (was Re: New (again)) In-Reply-To: <35fb97d6.29307295@post.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: At 15:54 12/09/98 GMT, Steve Pond wrote: >>BTW any UK list members see the BBC Rock Family Tree on Sabbath tonight? >>what did you think if ya did? I enjoyed it -- it made me dig out some old HM tapes from the back of the drawer. >Total gloss job.. the demise of the late Sabbath was far gorier than >they showed, didn`t they have a roadie on vocals for one album? > >What about Tony Iommi`s chopped off finger? I would have thought a >guitarist with 9 fingers & a thimble was worth a mention.. I did suspect them of glossing over some details. What's the story with Tony Iommi's finger? >The Sabbath story is being forced into some kind of "real life Spinal >Tap". I didn`t like the way the actual music was ignored except for 2 >minutes on the 1st album. Sabbath Bloody Sabbath is a very accomplished >album, not least Bill Wards drumming which if you listen wouldn`t be out >of place on a Stax record. I think this is just the style of the program. It depends on what live clips they've got to play with, and typically there aren't very many. They played at least "Black Sabbath" and "Never Say Die", and one or two snatches from other songs, with a variety of live footage. It seems par for the course; the previous week's RFT on The Mamas and The Papas & The Loving Spoonful only played a handful of songs. >I`d love to see Rock Family Trees attempt Hawkwind.. it would have to be >a 6 parter.. :) I noticed that the written entry for Rainbow just said "More than 20 people passed through Blackmore's group". Dave. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Sep 14 07:18:57 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 07:18:57 EDT Subject: OFF: RFT Sabbath (was Re: New (again)) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980914103736.009b1950@mailhost.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: > From: Dave Berry >> > I did suspect them of glossing over some details. What's the story with > Tony Iommi's finger? > Tony lost 3 fingertips on his playing hand back when he was a teenager. He was doing a welding job and the fingertips got burned off by an arc welder. He wears little caps over the ends of his fingers but can still play guitar! theo From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Sep 14 07:35:30 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:35:30 +0100 Subject: OFF: URIAH HEEP was: New (again) Message-ID: > Yes we care! Here's the full scoop for the Heepsters out there. The worldwide release by Eagle Records will be on September 14th, 1998. Songs The following songs were specifically recorded for this release, though some may remain as bonus tracks and/or released as singles: 1) BETWEEN TWO WORLDS ( M.BOX / P. LANZON ) 2) I HEAR VOICES ( T. BOLDER ) 3) PERFECT LITTLE HEART ( M. BOX / P. LANZON ) 4) HEARTLESS LAND ( M. BOX / P.LANZON / M .LANZON ) 5) ONLY THE YOUNG ( T. BOLDER ) 6) IN THE MOMENT ( M. BOX / P. LANZON ) 7) QUESTION ( M. BOX / P.LANZON ) 8) CHANGE ( M. BOX / P. LANZON ) 9) FEELS LIKE ( M. BOX / P. LANZON ) 10) ACROSS THE MILES ( J. PETERICK / F. SULLIVAN ) 11) SWEET PRETENDER ( T. BOLDER ) 12) SHELTER FROM THE RAIN ( T. BOLDER ) 13) EVERYTHING IN LIFE( M. BOX/ P. LANZON / T. BOLDER / L. KERSLAKE ) 14) THE GOLDEN PALACE ( M. BOX / P.LANZON ) Tour 1998 Uriah Heep will start their European tour in the UK with a show at The Forum in London, on October 22nd, together with Dio. the band will hopefully be playing solo concerts in Belgium and Holland on the way to Germany. See here all the tourdates ! A tour with Nazareth will happen, for the third time... it will be called Double Trouble Tour, all details here ! I can also heartily recommend the excellent web site at http://www.uriah-heep.com And finally, apologies for all the recent and future spelling mistakes. I've just starting using one of these bloody 'natural' keyboards and it's driving me insane. Z NP Stabbing Westward - Ungod > I`d love to see Rock Family Trees attempt Hawkwind.. it would have to be > > a 6 parter.. :) > > How about Uriah Heep? That would have to be a 12-parter! BTW, for > anyone who cares, Heep has a new studio album coming out called > "Sonic Origami. Last I > heard it was THIS TUESDAY...and we're talking worldwide release. > Apparently, the U.S. deal they signed also includes a stateside > release of their last two albums, 1995's amazing "Sea of Light" and > the recent live album "Spellbinder". > > -- Nick -- ================================================================= ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 =========================================================================== From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Sep 14 08:32:53 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:32:53 -0400 Subject: BOC: Fireworks Message-ID: >>But...hey! This is purely Al's song So, Al, what is your opinion >about the plot & outcome of Fireworks? ;-) >Uh... Ah... Ah'm sorry but (in the words our president SHOULD HAVE used) that's my personal life and I do not wish to discuss it at this time. ;-) So, "Fireworks" is about another one of them Diz-Busters, right? ;-) John From mordru at FLITE.NET Mon Sep 14 08:53:33 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:53:33 -0400 Subject: BOC: Fireworks Message-ID: >>>But...hey! This is purely Al's song So, Al, what is your opinion >>about the plot & outcome of Fireworks? ;-) > >>Uh... Ah... Ah'm sorry but (in the words our president SHOULD HAVE used) >that's my personal life and I do not wish to discuss it at this time. ;-) I remember reading an interview by Warren Zevon about a song that was so personal that he said he had to write it in the third person.... and that's about all he would say about that song. ah, well, won't waste any more time prying or speculating about this... I do like the song. ============================================ Yes I know the secrets of the iron and mind they're trinity acts, a mineral fire Yes I know the secrets of the circuitry mind It's a Flaming Wonder Telepath!" - "Flaming Telepaths" by Blue ?yster Cult ) -AAA From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Sep 14 11:19:09 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:19:09 -0700 Subject: BOC: Dissin' the Dizbusters Message-ID: >If you weren't getting the lyric, maybe you were just standing to close to the speakers like Charles Grodin was ;-), just kidding about the Grodin crack I couldn't help myself, I consider you guys my friends and sometimes crack a joke or two :-). LOL, no offense taken, that was very funny. But the early BOC lyrics a) weren't as important to me as the music. Part of this being my oown persoanl background. Even during my headbanging rock and roll years in high school I still partied with the funk and dance music. Essentially lyrics were not the end-all for me, the groove is what mattered. And you have to admit it took effort to make out what Eric was singin in the eraly days. Part of that may be the recording quality, but I also don't think the band knew just how good they really were back then. They were young as a unit after all. >I don't think Buck would be a better Jazz musician, I couldn't hear him doing that, Jazz is a very technical form of music I guess and when it comes to technicality none are higher than Buck, but I have always hated Jazz, it always seemed to "random" for me, Bucks unique and original guitar playing was just another thing that set them apart and above the rest of the crowd. Ah we disagree here. I love Jazz and treust me Buck would kill this stuff. Besides as you have doubtlessly seen - AL>Buck's dad, Don Roeser Sr., (Buck is Don Roeser Jr.) is an excellent JAZZ sax player. He has played semi-professionally all his life and Don Jr,'s first experience playing in a band was sitting in with his father. Buck's first musical vocabulary was jazz. I'm sure he could be a jazz giant if that's what he chose to do." An opinion like that I'd take to the bank! >About groove, definitely, no other band has had a better groove and no other band ever will, "Before the Kiss, a Redcap" nuff said with that song. Very true. Before BOC my idea of great rock was three chords and some shouting. BOC pushed me into exploring all types of rock and roll, Jazz, Jazz rock fusion; nothing was off limits anymore thanks to these guys. Ghost in the Ruins From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Sep 14 11:30:46 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:30:46 -0500 Subject: BOC: Of Subhumans and Spin Doctors Message-ID: >I'll throw in a few thoughts on the 7 Screamin' ones... >My first BOC album was Some Enchanted Evening, but I quickly assimilated all of them (on 8-track!), and I recall that OYFOOYK was one of the first ones. As has been said here by others before, that opening track, Subhuman, quickly became the definitive BOC song for me - rockin', and yet psychadelic - and the blend of textures of the instruments - 2 guitars, keys, bass, and drums - raw yes, but oh so good. Subhuman from Feet/Knees was the BOC song for me then and remains so now. This is the one song that I include on any newbie introductory setlist. > My next favorite track from that album was probably 7 Screaming Diz-Busters -- I remember this song as the ultimate BOC tunes for wacked-out lyrics at that time. And the music! Again, lots of instrumental texture here - and also more variety of musical styles than Subhuman - from a mellow, almost jazzy feel to the prototype speed metal - with lots of great soloing from Buck, and some great shifts in the song before and after Eric's "Lucifer the Light" monologue. I heard a live broadcast of BOC in the early 80s that included a 1975 show in Seatle (that appears on the infamous "Live in the West" tape), where Eric's monlogue is about "the dude in the sharkskin suit", and how Eric makes a deal with the devil to become a rock star. The instrumentation on that version is even BETTER than OYFOOYK - the way the band comes to a halt after Buck's solo, and right before Eric's rap - and then just the brothers Bouchard come in, Albert providing a simple stark beat to Joe's pounding out a simple bass figure - then in comes some sinewy keys by Allen, and Eric does his thing, and then after he sings "I'm comin' to take you away", and then "1 2 3 4!" and the band slams it for the final 30 seconds -- ooh, the memories... Do you kow if there is a boot of this show on CD? Hard to imagine a better version of the song than Feet Keens but I'm sure its there somewhere. >Pardon me, I gotta go change my underwear now... ;-) Skid marks? 8>) Another Spawn Entry for the Faq, man. They recently released on video the second season, Spawn 2. As you know the Dominance and Submission line was uttered by the Violator in the first episode of of the second season. They also use this line again as the intro for the new video. Man, either BOC or tBS should blare this over the loudspeakers before launching into the song, t'would be so kewl... >Wasn't like I mentioned Y&T or anything... ;-) Enough with the Bill Clinton here, FAQMAN. Its about the ladies and the number of bands they play in; you know that. I can only conlclude that you are a "ladies man". 8>) Ghost in the Ruins "It's not like we're vicious or gone We just dug up the graves where your relatives lay In old forest lawn And it's not like we don't know the score We're the fragile elite they dragged off the street I guess they just couldn't take us no more." - Alice Cooper From StevenTice at AOL.COM Mon Sep 14 12:12:01 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 12:12:01 EDT Subject: BOC: Of Subhumans and Spin Doctors Message-ID: In a message dated 98-09-14 11:37:36 EDT, you write: << Another Spawn Entry for the Faq, man. They recently released on video the second season, Spawn 2. As you know the Dominance and Submission line was uttered by the Violator in the first episode of of the second season. They also use this line again as the intro for the new video. Man, either BOC or tBS should blare this over the loudspeakers before launching into the song, t'would be so kewl... >> Another BOC/comic books connection...veeery interesting...:-) SET From StevenTice at AOL.COM Mon Sep 14 13:34:26 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:34:26 EDT Subject: BOC: Dissin' Diz Busters? ESP NICK Message-ID: In a message dated 98-09-14 04:36:28 EDT, you write: << I live in State College, PA...way off. Don't know what the deal is with the ISP thing...????? >> Hey, I live in Bellefonte! You should drive down the road sometime and visit my comics shop, say hello...:-) Steven Tice Calliope Comics P.S. Gee, anybody else from central Pennsylvania on here? :-) From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Sep 14 13:53:42 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:53:42 -0400 Subject: BOC: Dissin' the Dizbusters Message-ID: >Ah we disagree here. I love Jazz and treust me Buck would kill this stuff. Look no further than Last Days of May - there's some great jazz stuff there, and I also hear bits of it in Harvest Moon. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Sep 14 13:57:39 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 13:57:39 -0400 Subject: BOC: Of Subhumans and Spin Doctors Message-ID: >Do you kow if there is a boot of this show on CD? Not that I know of - just the Live in the West tape. >>Wasn't like I mentioned Y&T or anything... ;-) >Its about the ladies and the number of bands they play in; you know that. I can only conlclude that you are a "ladies man". "I'm just a red-blooded, fun-lovin' all-American boy..." (Y&T) John From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Sep 14 14:41:59 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 19:41:59 +0100 Subject: Uriah Heep Message-ID: Well, spookily enough the new Uriah Heep album popped through the letter box within an hour of me posting. And having given it a couple of spins, I can heartily recommend it. The usual high quality songs, but coupled with an excellent production from Pip Williams. And as usual these days, there's 2 versions. Initial copies have 14 tracks, regular only have 13. Z NP Uriah Heep - Sonic Origami ===================================== ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com PO Box 13499, Edinburgh, EH6 8YL, UK Phone 0966-389732, Fax 0131-467-1827 e-mail zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com ===================================== From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Sep 14 16:18:51 1998 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 20:18:51 GMT Subject: OFF: RFT Sabbath (was Re: New (again)) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980914103736.009b1950@mailhost.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 10:37:36 +0100, you sent through the ether: >I did suspect them of glossing over some details. What's the story with >Tony Iommi's finger? After the first album came out (I think, may have been just before..) he had an accident and chopped the end off his middle finger right hand, which as we all know on a left handed guitarist is a pretty darned essential digit.. so our Tone made himself a thimble with a rubber tip to extend the butchered pinky.. viola.. he play on.. :) I think to this day he uses a similar device. -S. From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Mon Sep 14 19:33:51 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 18:33:51 -0500 Subject: BOC: Dissin' the Dizbusters Message-ID: BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: > LOL, no offense taken, that was very funny. But the early BOC lyrics a) > weren't as important to me as the music. Part of this being my oown > persoanl background. Even during my headbanging rock and roll years in > high school I still partied with the funk and dance music. Essentially > lyrics were not the end-all for me, the groove is what mattered. And > you have to admit it took effort to make out what Eric was singin in the > eraly days. Part of that may be the recording quality, but I also don't > think the band knew just how good they really were back then. They > were young as a unit after all. > Your definitely right, the music is the most important, it doesn't really matter how good you are lyrically if you don't have the musical talent to carry the lyrics, something BOC had no short supply of. Take Kiss for example, Ive always loved Kiss, I think they have great rocking tunes even though the lyrics are, well, not genius. But then Kiss was always great party music and to my knowledge never tried to get real "deep" with there music lyrically. But on the other hand that was one of the things about BOC that pushed them to the top of the pile for me, to me no other band has or ever will dethrone the Cult as the lyrical kings of Rock & Roll. Speaking of Grodin again, on that same interview he asked Buck if people ever had problems deciphering the lyric to which Buck humorously replied "what people think they are, are actually better than what they were", or something like that :-). Eric is definitely hard to figure out lyrically, which I think is cool, allot of BOC songs even after listing to them repeatedly I could still pick up a new word here and there, until, many thanks to Bolle, I got the lyric book and did allot of following along :-). > >I don't think Buck would be a better Jazz musician, I couldn't hear him doing > that, Jazz is a very technical form of music I guess and when it comes > to technicality none are higher than Buck, but I have always hated > Jazz, it always seemed to "random" for me, Bucks unique and original > guitar playing was just another thing that set them apart and above the > rest of the crowd. > > Ah we disagree here. I love Jazz and treust me Buck would kill this > stuff. Besides as you have doubtlessly seen - > > AL>Buck's dad, Don Roeser Sr., (Buck is Don Roeser Jr.) is an excellent > JAZZ sax player. He has played semi-professionally all his life and Don > Jr,'s > first experience playing in a band was sitting in with his father. > Buck's > first musical vocabulary was jazz. I'm sure he could be a jazz giant if > that's what he chose to do." > > An opinion like that I'd take to the bank! > all right, I know when to back down ;-). As far as a jazz giant I have no doubt in my mind that he could be, he is just so extremely talented and has such a good grasp musically I think any style of music he could dominate. > >About groove, definitely, no other band has had a better groove and no other > band ever will, "Before the Kiss, a Redcap" nuff said with that song. > > Very true. Before BOC my idea of great rock was three chords and some > shouting. BOC pushed me into exploring all types of rock and roll, > Jazz, Jazz rock fusion; nothing was off limits anymore thanks to these > guys. > > Ghost in the Ruins I still like some of that three chord shouting music, but thanks to BOC, my taste in music has got a lot more picky. Not too many bands out there have five distinct song writers, all with there own styles, and an ability to work together so well. Talk to ya later. . . From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Mon Sep 14 19:47:04 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 18:47:04 -0500 Subject: OFF: RFT Sabbath (was Re: New (again)) Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 wrote: > > From: Dave Berry > >> > > I did suspect them of glossing over some details. What's the story with > > Tony Iommi's finger? > > > Tony lost 3 fingertips on his playing hand back when he was a > teenager. He was doing a welding job and the fingertips got burned > off by an arc welder. He wears little caps over the ends of his > fingers but can still play guitar! > > theo I also heard he cut his fingers off on his last day of work before touring, don't get much more ironic than that, I don't know if this is true because somebody told me this info and I don't know how reliable the source was. I also heard to play more easily he tuned down, if this is the case this probably helped define the sabs "sound" a little. And if im not mistaken I think his mom made him those finger caps too. From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Mon Sep 14 19:48:58 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 18:48:58 -0500 Subject: BOC: Of Subhumans and Spin Doctors Message-ID: Steven Tice wrote: > In a message dated 98-09-14 11:37:36 EDT, you write: > > << Another Spawn Entry for the Faq, man. They recently released on video > the second season, Spawn 2. As you know the Dominance and Submission > line was uttered by the Violator in the first episode of of the second > season. They also use this line again as the intro for the new video. > Man, either BOC or tBS should blare this over the loudspeakers before > launching into the song, t'would be so kewl... >> > > Another BOC/comic books connection...veeery interesting...:-) > > SET Hi there Steven, What line was uttered? Im not too familiar with Spawn. From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Mon Sep 14 20:10:45 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 19:10:45 -0500 Subject: BOC: Of Subhumans and Spin Doctors Message-ID: > > > Subhuman from Feet/Knees was the BOC song for me then and remains so > now. This is the one song that I include on any newbie introductory > setlist. It probably has the eeriest presents of any BOC song for me, I still get the shivers when listening to it :-). From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Mon Sep 14 21:38:11 1998 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 21:38:11 -0400 Subject: BOC,TBS: the dark white underbelly Message-ID: Hey gang, Yes, "Bolts" is back for the attack (??) on the merry mailing list for some time to come. 1st 4 postings I got were waxing poetic about BOC lyrics/Subhuman/Buck's playability so I'll start from there. 1. Theres a good editorial by Micahel Greenberg about BOCness in one of the early issues of Addicted to Noise. You can get to it at www.addict.com and go thru the search engine for the band (BOC, not the Band :)). Its a good homage written around the time of _WotT_ compilation which I am very glad I overlooked. The cover for one just wasnt up to par with legit BOC releases--especially if it was suppposed to be a REAL "Best of" But enough of that. 2. The deliberate non blues sound of the BOC guitar history in general (save for the blues songs like "LDoM," "Divine Wind," etc.) made it much more effective in establishing the Metal sound of the formative years in the 70's--that combination nonhuman vibe taken from the psychadelic era + LOUD aggression that rock n' roll is known for (think Little Richard, the hammering organ solo in "house of the rising sun" etc.)+ really really nontypical words demanded an equally nontypical musical structure for them to sound less unusual. Ya dig ? 4. As for Buck especially on HF, I think hes now more a rock guy in the constraints of 60s pop influences, but when the pop knows to give way, it runs for a far away place. 5. the Surgeons summer tour was interesting. Cuaght the end and beginning in Ithaca and Rochester. It was dipping toes into unfamiliar, but well charted waters plus an enthusiastic postcard from the frontlines of band cohesion/morale. Dont fight the future just fight your epectations for it. They ruin all new things on the horizon. Kick out the Jams Sap Suckers!!! Jason From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Sep 15 00:33:34 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 04:33:34 +0000 Subject: OFF: RFT Sabbath (was Re: New (again)) Message-ID: > >The Sabbath story is being forced into some kind of "real life Spinal > >Tap". I didn`t like the way the actual music was ignored except for 2 > >minutes on the 1st album. Sabbath Bloody Sabbath is a very accomplished > >album, not least Bill Wards drumming which if you listen wouldn`t be out > >of place on a Stax record. If you haven't seen it yet, I recommend the two-part video "The Black Sabbath Story" - fully authorized by the band and released to coincide with the Dio reunion. Good coverage of all periods in Sabbath history. Although I would have liked more emphasis on the Gillan days, but since they were so few, it wasn't given as much attention. -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Sep 15 00:33:34 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 04:33:34 +0000 Subject: BOC: Dissin' the Dizbusters Message-ID: > lyrics, something BOC had no short supply of. Take Kiss for example, Ive always > loved Kiss, I think they have great rocking tunes even though the lyrics are, > well, not genius. But then Kiss was always great party music and to my knowledge > never tried to get real "deep" with there music lyrically. If you want a pleasant little surprise, check out the KISS album "Music From the Elder". It's actually quite deep musically AND lyrically...a huge departure for the band and, in my opinion, their best album ever. -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Sep 15 00:33:34 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 04:33:34 +0000 Subject: BOC: Dissin' Diz Busters? ESP NICK Message-ID: > << I live in State College, PA...way off. Don't know what the deal is > with the ISP thing...????? >> > > Hey, I live in Bellefonte! You should drive down the road sometime and visit > my comics shop, say hello...:-) > > Steven Tice > Calliope Comics No shit, man! What a riot! I'll check it out sometime! Where's it located? I work at The Buzz -- The Philipsburg radio station. Hopefully within the next few months you'll be able to hear us in yer neck of the woods...if the FCC is nice to us. Until then you can listen on your computer in RealAudio. Address is www.buzzfm.com. -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Sep 15 00:33:34 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 04:33:34 +0000 Subject: OFF: UFO, Molly Hatchet Message-ID: Just a quick update here on two recent releases from my new favorite record company, CMC International: Molly Hatchet: "Silent Reign of Heroes" -- Very boring and formulaic. It's pretty much a retread of their first CMC release, "Devil's Canyon". If you liked that one, you might like this one, although I did like "Canyon" and found "Reign" to be very repetitive. You know you're in trouble when the high point of the disc is a remake. They do an acoustic version of "Fall of the Peacemakers" complete with some orchestra. It's actually an incredible track, but to me it's one of only a couple that are any good. "Dead and Gone (The Redneck Song)" is pretty decent, too, and funny. Perhaps a little too dark though...it's about shooting your girlfriend so you can be free...? UFO: "Walk on Water" -- Pretty much at the other end of the spectrum. Really wild...great stuff. "Venus" kicks some serious ass, as do the majority of the tracks. And there's decent new versions of "Doctor, Doctor" and "Lights Out". Worth it. Anxiously awaiting quitting time so I can pick up the new Heep! -- Nick "Nobody knows the trouble I've seen. But it can be arranged." -- Lemmy From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Sep 15 05:16:38 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:16:38 +0100 Subject: BOC: Birdman again Message-ID: Just got a Radio Birdman LP bootleg, _Rock'n'Roll War_, with a live version of "Career of Evil". Usual dodgy bootleg quality, fairly faithful version, nice laid-back gtr solo from Deniz. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Tue Sep 15 06:20:11 1998 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 06:20:11 -0400 Subject: BOC: Dissin' the Dizbusters In-Reply-To: <199809150835.EAA06591@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: At 04:33 AM 9/15/98 +0000, you wrote: >If you want a pleasant little surprise, check out the KISS album >"Music From the Elder". It's actually quite deep musically AND >lyrically...a huge departure for the band and, in my opinion, their >best album ever. Wasn't that supposed to be the "soundtrack" to a movie that was never made? If so, that would explain the exceptional effort to make something better than dem wurds to "Deuce," etc :) So does that mean that every band does its best when trying to go into "concept album" mode? Probably not.. (shudder up spine imagining what a Billy Joel concept album would be like.... ewww) Jason From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Tue Sep 15 06:52:11 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:52:11 +0100 Subject: OFF: Beer Powered Noise Frenzy storm Stratford Message-ID: As I've been pestering you all with details of this gig last Friday, I thought you'd like to know that despite various cock-ups we went down a storm, and raised over five hundred quid for the Cancer Research Campaign. Panic not - there will be no more. :-) Cheers, Rich. ** Mind the oranges, Marlon!" ** From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Sep 15 07:19:27 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 07:19:27 EDT Subject: OFF: UFO, Molly Hatchet In-Reply-To: <199809150835.EAA06588@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: > From: "" > > UFO: "Walk on Water" -- Pretty much at the other end of the spectrum. > Really wild...great stuff. "Venus" kicks some serious ass, as do the > majority of the tracks. And there's decent new versions of "Doctor, > Doctor" and "Lights Out". Worth it. > Nick, Who's on gtr on the UFO disc? theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Sep 15 07:35:29 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 07:35:29 EDT Subject: BOC,TBS: the dark white underbelly In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980914213811.00689880@mail1.wizvax.net> Message-ID: > From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision > Hey gang, > Yes, "Bolts" is back for the attack (??) on the merry mailing list for > some time to come. 1st 4 postings I got were waxing poetic about BOC > lyrics/Subhuman/Buck's playability so I'll start from there. > Welcome back! About time you got back online... > 2. The deliberate non blues sound of the BOC guitar history in general Agreed that BD is strictly non-blues, but if you climb back down the metal family tree to Tony Iommi, you'll note that Tony's very much blues based. And he likely got it from the godfather of metal, Jeff Beck, who, in the old days, was very bluesy. Branch that over to Jimmy Page, and you can see another proto-metaler who's got a foot [or both] in the blues... > (save for the blues songs like "LDoM," "Divine Wind," etc.) made it much But neither song utilizes a blues scale in the lead parts... > more effective in establishing the Metal sound of the formative years in > the 70's--that combination nonhuman vibe taken from the psychadelic era + > LOUD aggression that rock n' roll is known for (think Little Richard, the > hammering organ solo in "house of the rising sun" etc.)+ really really > nontypical words demanded an equally nontypical musical structure for them > to sound less unusual. Ya dig ? > Oh, yeah, daddy-o, you're spot on with that part... theo From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Sep 15 08:06:26 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:06:26 +0100 Subject: BOC,TBS: the dark white underbelly In-Reply-To: <2E93AF386D@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: > Agreed that BD is strictly non-blues, but if you climb back down the > metal family tree to Tony Iommi, you'll note that Tony's very much > blues based. And he likely got it from the godfather of metal, Jeff > Beck, who, in the old days, was very bluesy. Branch that over to > Jimmy Page, and you can see another proto-metaler who's got a foot > [or both] in the blues... > One little snippet I hadn't known, but was in the *book* _More Rock Family Trees_ is that Iommi tried out for Jethro Tull, pre-Sabbath, but quit them after a week. And an early incarnation of Sabbath was the "Polka Tulk Blues Band"! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From arjanh at CS.VU.NL Tue Sep 15 08:13:27 1998 From: arjanh at CS.VU.NL (Hulsebos A) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:13:27 +0200 Subject: BOC,TBS: the dark white underbelly In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham "Re: BOC,TBS: the dark white underbelly" (Sep 15, 1:06pm) Message-ID: On Sep 15, 1:06pm, Andy Gilham wrote: > >One little snippet I hadn't known, but was in the *book* _More Rock Family >Trees_ is that Iommi tried out for Jethro Tull, pre-Sabbath, but quit them >after a week. And an early incarnation of Sabbath was the "Polka Tulk Blues >Band"! Gosh, just try imagining this: Ozzie biting heads of whatever's around as a stage act of the Polka Tulk Blues Band..... Arjan H From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Sep 15 08:19:42 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 08:19:42 -0400 Subject: BOC: Rare songbook available at Ebay Message-ID: I've fairly recently discovered the online auction community Ebay (www.ebay.com). I've managed to find a couple of very cool collectible items there, including "Harvest Moon" and "Live for Me" CD singles, plus a copy of John Shirley's book, "Transmaniacon". I've even taken to selling a few various items of my own there (no BOC stuff, but hey, does anyone need a CD of the remixes to Smashmouth's, "Walkin' on th Sun"? ;-) Anyway, I happened to do a search on Blue Oyster Cult there, and there are a few items - most notably, someone is selling a copy of the BOC "Anthology" songbook! This book, released around 1978 (it has the Some Enchanted Evening cover art), contains music (no tab) for all the songs off of SEE, and most of OYFOOYK. This book is long out of print, and fairly hard to come by. Interested bidders should check out the following URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=30203274 The current high bid for this item is $12.50. BTW, I have no affiliation with the seller - I just know that this is a pretty cool collectible for any BOC fans who can read music. John From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Sep 15 08:39:17 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:39:17 +0100 Subject: BOC,TBS: the dark white underbelly Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 15, 1998 1:06 pm +0100 "Andy Gilham" wrote: > One little snippet I hadn't known, but was in the *book* _More Rock Family > Trees_ is that Iommi tried out for Jethro Tull, pre-Sabbath, but quit them > after a week. Yes, and you can see Iommi in Tull miming away in the Stones' Rock & Roll Circus film. Never recorded with them, and that's the closest he came to an appearance with them. Not surprisingly, there was not room for both Iommi's and Ian's egos in there ;) I have, however, heard that Iommi had some connection to Martin Barre--encouraged him to try out for the spot or something. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Sep 15 09:17:22 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:17:22 EDT Subject: BOC: Rare songbook available at Ebay In-Reply-To: <199809151219.IAA27873@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > Anyway, I happened to do a search on Blue Oyster Cult there, and there > are a few items - most notably, someone is selling a copy of the BOC > "Anthology" songbook! This book, released around 1978 (it has the > Some Enchanted Evening cover art), contains music (no tab) for all the > songs off of SEE, and most of OYFOOYK. This book is long out of print, > and fairly hard to come by. Interested bidders should check out the > following URL: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=30203274 > > The current high bid for this item is $12.50. BTW, I have no affiliation > with the seller - I just know that this is a pretty cool collectible for > any BOC fans who can read music. > > John This book is worthwhile mainly as a collector's item. Musically, it won't give you too many clues about BOC's music. There are a few hints about what chords to play, and a lot of the lyrics are right. But don't confuse it with the current crop of TAB books, as it doesn't have any lead parts worked out. Most BOC fans would be better off getting the Cult Classic book, which has all the lead parts transcribed. I wonder if they've got the songbook for AoF and Spectres combined? Or the Mirrors book? Got 'em all myself... theo From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Sep 15 05:32:16 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:32:16 +0000 Subject: BOC: Dissin' the Dizbusters Message-ID: > >If you want a pleasant little surprise, check out the KISS album > >"Music From the Elder". It's actually quite deep musically AND > >lyrically...a huge departure for the band and, in my opinion, their > >best album ever. > Wasn't that supposed to be the "soundtrack" to a movie that was never made? I never actually heard that, but when I bought the record, after hearing it and looking at the artwork and whatnot, that's what I assumed. But of course, no movie was ever made. Unless they DID make it, then withheld it from release and are now showing it on a double bill with the Fantastic Four movie in select Third-World countries. -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Sep 15 05:32:16 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:32:16 +0000 Subject: OFF: UFO, Molly Hatchet Message-ID: > Nick, > Who's on gtr on the UFO disc? > > theo It's Schenker (Sp?), with Phil Mogg on vocals. I'm not sure if any of the other guys are old members...I wasn't a UFO fan in my youth. But I am lovin' this disc! -- Nick From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Tue Sep 15 09:56:42 1998 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:56:42 -0400 Subject: BOC,TBS,OFF: Guitar-o-ramarooni and SFG In-Reply-To: <2E93AF386D@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: At 07:35 AM 9/15/98 EDT, you wrote: >Welcome back! About time you got back online... Agreed! >Agreed that BD is strictly non-blues, but if you climb back down the >metal family tree to Tony Iommi, you'll note that Tony's very much >blues based. And he likely got it from the godfather of metal, Jeff >Beck, who, in the old days, was very bluesy. Branch that over to >Jimmy Page, and you can see another proto-metaler who's got a foot >[or both] in the blues... We can thank the best 60s guitar band the Yardbirds for Beck and Page. Check out the LP _Roger the Engineer_ (or _the Yardbirds_ as its known) for some prime odd Beck work--the whole disc is a cross with what used to be a rhythm n' blues band that went into the realm of trippy psychadelia. BUT, it does convey a certain heavyness in how it comes across at times (such as the classic "Happenings Ten Years Time Ago," with Beck and Page rippin up the fret board). I find the SFG material very interesting in how it relates to the psychadelic sound, but even then it was too ...too... "different" to really fit in with it. The attitude was not laid back enough methinks. > > >> (save for the blues songs like "LDoM," "Divine Wind," etc.) >But neither song utilizes a blues scale in the lead parts... Again, the beauty of BOC :) > >Oh, yeah, daddy-o, you're spot on with that part... Speaking of odd anachronisms, I wonder if they'll ever mention BOC in "That 70's Show," particularly with the laser in the eye legend. God I hope not. It would be too out of place in terms of how the show presents itself (one episode was 1 too many for me). It's a shame that tBS won't do "Hassan I Sabha" again live. Jason From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Sep 15 09:49:09 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:49:09 -0400 Subject: BOC: Rare songbook available at Ebay Message-ID: >This book is worthwhile mainly as a collector's item. Definitely a collector's item but... >Musically, it won't give you too many clues about BOC's music. I beg to differ. I've found it pretty good. No TAB, granted (which I mentioned), and most of the leads aren't there. But most of the basic chord work is there, and the main riffs/basslines are pretty much there. I've done pretty well using this book along with listening to the CDs to figure out BOC's stuff. >Most BOC fans would be better off getting the Cult Classic book, which has all the lead parts transcribed. Well, I do think this is also an excellent book (although if they're gonna transcribe all the guitar parts, then they should do the bass parts too ;) And, it's fairly readily available. But, for someone looking to learn how to play some of the stuff not on CC (like RU Ready 2 Rock, Subhuman, and others), the anthology book is useful. >I wonder if they've got the songbook for AoF and Spectres combined? Or the Mirrors book? Got 'em all myself... Well, they aren't currently listed, but perhaps in the future... I've got these myself as well (and I ain't parting with them). John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Sep 15 09:51:30 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:51:30 -0400 Subject: BOC: Dissin' the Dizbusters Message-ID: > >If you want a pleasant little surprise, check out the KISS album > >"Music From the Elder". It's actually quite deep musically AND > >lyrically...a huge departure for the band and, in my opinion, their > >best album ever. Of course, it was also their worst seller. Don't know if that says more about KISS or their fans. BTW, I was a huge KISS fan, and saw their reunion tour in '96. Their first studio release with the original 4 since 1981, "Psycho Circus", comes out on September 22nd. I hear the tour is going to be some sort of 3-D spectacle, with ticketholders getting 3D glasses for the show. John From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Sep 15 09:53:52 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:53:52 +0100 Subject: OFF: UFO, Molly Hatchet In-Reply-To: <2E4F3F49EA@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: I don't know who the guitarist is, but they're not allowed to call themselves UFO anymore. Apparently Michael Schenker owns the name and they'll have to trade under something else from now on. Which makes you wonder how stupid Mr Mogg et al must be to let that happen. I mean Schenler didn't join until 10 years into their history. Now there's a Rock Family Tree. Z At 07:19 15/09/1998 EDT, you wrote: >> From: "" >> >> UFO: "Walk on Water" -- Pretty much at the other end of the spectrum. >> Really wild...great stuff. "Venus" kicks some serious ass, as do the >> majority of the tracks. And there's decent new versions of "Doctor, >> Doctor" and "Lights Out". Worth it. >> >Nick, >Who's on gtr on the UFO disc? > >theo > ===================================== ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com PO Box 13499, Edinburgh, EH6 8YL, UK Phone 0966-389732, Fax 0131-467-1827 e-mail zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com ===================================== From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Tue Sep 15 09:59:07 1998 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:59:07 +0100 Subject: BOC,TBS: the dark white underbelly In-Reply-To: <000301bde0a1$43df3520$593f63c3@default> Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Sep 1998, Andy Gilham wrote: > One little snippet I hadn't known, but was in the *book* _More Rock Family > Trees_ is that Iommi tried out for Jethro Tull, pre-Sabbath, but quit them > after a week. And an early incarnation of Sabbath was the "Polka Tulk Blues > Band"! If you check out the Rolling Stones Rock'n'Roll Circus film, you will see Iommi in the Tull lineup, miming to 'Song for Jeffrey'. But Mick Abrahams was definitely in Tull at the time, so Iommi must have been filling in as a favour. When Abrahams quit to form Blodwyn Pig, Iommi would presumably have been first choice for a replacement. - Mike ("I was there, late '68, I saw the recording session") Godwin From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Sep 15 10:06:38 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:06:38 EDT Subject: 9 OCT BOC gig In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980915145352.00799bf0@pop.dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: Hold the presses! BOC in Rochester 9 Oct at Club Avalon, according to the CMC site. Brian, are you listening? theo From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Tue Sep 15 10:11:27 1998 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:11:27 +0100 Subject: BOC: Of Subhumans and Spin Doctors In-Reply-To: <35FDB085.A45DA9D6@dlcwest.com> Message-ID: > > Subhuman from Feet/Knees was the BOC song for me then and remains so > > now. This is the one song that I include on any newbie introductory > > setlist. On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, Laj Waldner wrote: > It probably has the eeriest presents of any BOC song for me, I still get the > shivers when listening to it :-). The 'Live in the West' version has an extended intro and a first-rate synth break, probably the best synth break I ever heard. Along with the 'doing wheelies in our wheelchairs' rap, this is just about the best thing on LITW. - Mike Godwin From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Tue Sep 15 10:12:30 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:12:30 -0400 Subject: BOC - www.liveconcerts.com Message-ID: Did anyone catch BOC on www.liveconcerts.com last week? From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue Sep 15 10:32:17 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:32:17 -0400 Subject: BOC: 9 OCT BOC gig Message-ID: Hoo-Ha! Club Avalon is brand spanking new. It's a few blocks from where the Surgeons played this summer. There was a big charity event there last weekend. All the weekend's profits went to a woman who endured some amazing suffering recently and was going to lose her home. BOC should fit right in. Hopefully the local classic rock station will promote the show. (Probably not unless the club is an advertiser on the station though...) They haven't played Live For Me yet either. >Hold the presses! > >BOC in Rochester 9 Oct at Club Avalon, according to the CMC site. > >Brian, are you listening? > >theo Brian ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html "We are drawing a moustache on the wanted poster of the face of music." -Fierce Wicker ---------- From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Sep 15 10:34:15 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:34:15 -0500 Subject: OFF: Spawn Message-ID: << Another Spawn Entry for the Faq, man. They recently released on video > the second season, Spawn 2. As you know the Dominance and Submission line was uttered by the Violator in the first episode of of the second season. They also use this line again as the intro for the new video. > Man, either BOC or tBS should blare this over the loudspeakers before > launching into the song, t'would be so kewl... >> > > Another BOC/comic books connection...veeery interesting...:-) > > SET >Hi there Steven, What line was uttered? Im not too familiar with Spawn. The line was uttered in the first episode of the second season of HBO's Spawn and goes something like this: Violator - "This world isn't about trust. Its about Dominance and Submission, its about power." Ghost in the Ruins... ... a huge fan of the animated series. Pretty kewl stuff . From LOFFTJM at MAIL.SUNY.EDU Tue Sep 15 10:43:54 1998 From: LOFFTJM at MAIL.SUNY.EDU (Joseph Lofft, SUNY Information Technology Exchange Center) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 10:43:54 -0400 Subject: BOC: 9 OCT BOC gig Message-ID: Can anyone supply me with an address of Club Avalon and when/where tickets are available for this show??? Thanks, Joe Lofft lofftjm at itec.suny.edu >Hold the presses! > >BOC in Rochester 9 Oct at Club Avalon, according to the CMC site. > >Brian, are you listening? > >theo From chip at PCC.COM Tue Sep 15 11:16:46 1998 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 11:16:46 -0400 Subject: OFF: UFO, Molly Hatchet In-Reply-To: <2E4F3F49EA@library.syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr. s2h2" at Sep 15, 98 07:19:27 am Message-ID: > > UFO: "Walk on Water" -- Pretty much at the other end of the spectrum. > > Really wild...great stuff. "Venus" kicks some serious ass, as do the > > majority of the tracks. And there's decent new versions of "Doctor, > > Doctor" and "Lights Out". Worth it. > > > Who's on gtr on the UFO disc? It's all of the original cast (including Paul Raymond). For UFO fans, it's "pretty good." It's no Lights Out or Strangers in the Night, but it sure beats everything they've done since Paul Chapman left the band years ago. I think Phil Mogg is one of the great RnR vocalists...I love his voice. -- Chip Hart * chip @ pcc.com Physicians's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8214 From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Sep 15 11:25:26 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:25:26 +0100 Subject: OFF: Uriah Heep review Message-ID: There's a copy of the Kerrang review on the Heep website at http://www.uriah-heep.com/kerrson.htm if anyone's thinking about checking it out. Z NP Blind Melon - Change ===================================== ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com PO Box 13499, Edinburgh, EH6 8YL, UK Phone 0966-389732, Fax 0131-467-1827 e-mail zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com ===================================== From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue Sep 15 16:10:32 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:10:32 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Operation Luv a deadringer for another tune? Message-ID: I was wasting some time today browsing through the All-Music Guide (http://www.allmusic.com) when I decided to check out if they had a listing for Joe Bouchard's old band Deadringer. On the album Electrocution of the Heart it says there's a tune called When You're In You're In. Is this the same as Operation Luv (the former's title being in the chorus of the latter)? Or did it inspire that particular line in Operation Luv? Also, Electrocution of the Heart has a version of Love's a Killer, which is on the X-Brothers CD. And it looks like the artist who did the cover art for EotH also did the cover art for Solid Citizens. Trying to occupy myself until Jan. 1999, Brian ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html "We are drawing a moustache on the wanted poster of the face of music." -Fierce Wicker ---------- From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Tue Sep 15 17:42:22 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:42:22 EDT Subject: BOC,TBS,OFF: Guitar-o-ramarooni and SFG Message-ID: Jason wrote: > It's a shame that tBS won't do "Hassan I Sabha" again live. ??? What's the story with this? From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Tue Sep 15 17:17:04 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:17:04 -0500 Subject: BOC: Dissin' the Dizbusters Message-ID: > lyrics, something BOC had no short supply of. Take Kiss for example, Ive always > > loved Kiss, I think they have great rocking tunes even though the lyrics are, > > well, not genius. But then Kiss was always great party music and to my knowledge > > never tried to get real "deep" with there music lyrically. > > If you want a pleasant little surprise, check out the KISS album > "Music From the Elder". It's actually quite deep musically AND > lyrically...a huge departure for the band and, in my opinion, their > best album ever. > > -- Nick Thanks Nick, I will definitely check this album out, don't own a lot of Kiss stuff but I think im going to start acquiring a few more of there albums, and I will probably start with the one you mentioned, if it's available. From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Tue Sep 15 17:28:13 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:28:13 -0500 Subject: BOC: Birdman again Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: > Just got a Radio Birdman LP bootleg, _Rock'n'Roll War_, with a live version > of "Career of Evil". Usual dodgy bootleg quality, fairly faithful version, > nice laid-back gtr solo from Deniz. > > - Andy > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham I went down to our areas best music store in terms of rarities and selection to see if I could find some Radio Birdman albums, but I found none nor even a place for them on the rack. Did any RB albums get released on CD and if so how difficult are they to get? I usually like to check out bands that have either covered and/or given credit to BOC. Speaking of covers of BOC, has anybody heard the version of Dominance and Submission Mike Watt did on some single from Ball Hog or Tug Boat, if so how does it sound? From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Sep 15 19:23:31 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:23:31 +0100 Subject: BOC: Birdman again In-Reply-To: <35FEDBED.DD86AA4D@dlcwest.com> Message-ID: The best place to get Birdman. and also Deniz Tek and New Christs, stuff, is from Citadel Records - find them on a link from http://www.sdv.fr/pages/dgieff/rob.htm. They should have both RB's albums (CD remasters) and loads more besides. Be warned - once you start, you'll want everything! But maybe start with Radio Birdman's _Radios Appear_ album. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Laj Waldner > Sent: 15 September 1998 22:28 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: BOC: Birdman again > > > Andy Gilham wrote: > > > Just got a Radio Birdman LP bootleg, _Rock'n'Roll War_, with a > live version > > of "Career of Evil". Usual dodgy bootleg quality, fairly > faithful version, > > nice laid-back gtr solo from Deniz. > > > > - Andy > > > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; > http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > > I went down to our > areas best music store in terms of rarities and selection > to see if I could find some Radio Birdman albums, but I found > none nor even a > place for them on the rack. Did any RB albums get released on CD > and if so how > difficult are they to get? I usually like to check out bands that > have either > covered and/or given credit to BOC. > Speaking of covers of BOC, has anybody heard the version of Dominance and > Submission Mike Watt did on some single from Ball Hog or Tug > Boat, if so how > does it sound? > From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Tue Sep 15 18:56:05 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:56:05 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: OFF: Spawn] Message-ID: Laj Waldner wrote: > > >Hi there Steven, What line was uttered? Im not too familiar with > > Spawn. > > > > The line was uttered in the first episode of the second season of HBO's > > Spawn and goes something like this: > > > > Violator - "This world isn't about trust. Its about Dominance and > > Submission, its about power." > > > > Ghost in the Ruins... > > > > ... a huge fan of the animated series. > > > > Pretty kewl stuff . > > I love hearing about BOC references, it works as good ammunition when talking to people that don't think BOC has much of a following ;-). -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Laj Waldner Subject: Re: OFF: Spawn Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:29:11 -0500 Size: 1142 URL: From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Tue Sep 15 18:57:00 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:57:00 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: BOC: Dissin' the Dizbusters] Message-ID: Laj Waldner wrote: > > > John A Swartz wrote: > > > > >If you want a pleasant little surprise, check out the KISS album > > > >"Music From the Elder". It's actually quite deep musically AND > > > >lyrically...a huge departure for the band and, in my opinion, their > > > >best album ever. > > > > Of course, it was also their worst seller. Don't know if that says > > more about KISS or their fans. > > > > Probably the fans, that's not a mock because I like Kiss so please no flame mail from Kiss fans ;-), I plan on listening to it and since I haven't I won't comment on it's quality, but maybe it suffered for some of the same reasons that Mirrors suffered, and Mirrors was a good album. > > > BTW, I was a huge KISS fan, and saw their reunion tour in '96. Their > > first studio release with the original 4 since 1981, "Psycho Circus", > > comes out on September 22nd. I hear the tour is going to be some sort > > of 3-D spectacle, with ticketholders getting 3D glasses for the show. > > > > John > > I also saw there tour and it was GREAT, it was the first time seeing Kiss for me and the show was very entertaining, and if they tour within a reasonable distance from my place of residence, I will definitely attend. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Laj Waldner Subject: Re: BOC: Dissin' the Dizbusters Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:40:33 -0500 Size: 1842 URL: From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Tue Sep 15 19:07:05 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 18:07:05 -0500 Subject: Oops Message-ID: Hi there, sorry for any difficulty in trying to read my last posts, it was my mistake and I promise it won't happen again :-). From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Tue Sep 15 20:18:52 1998 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:18:52 -0400 Subject: BOC,TBS: Hassan I Sabha In-Reply-To: <10070411.35fedf3e@aol.com> Message-ID: At 05:42 PM 9/15/98 EDT, you wrote: >Jason wrote: > >> It's a shame that tBS won't do "Hassan I Sabha" again live. > >??? What's the story with this? At the Potsdam show, I think it boiled down to being hard to sing and drum at the same time because the singing style necessary is rather odd. But nothing on earth beat the "religious lunatic" section the killer drumming and that tasty riff were GOOD. Aside on "HIS" one of the band members (Albert maybe) described it as AC/DCs rendition of it --probably in the ascencion middle bridge At least we have it trapped forever in the swirling vortex of Malpractice Jason From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Tue Sep 15 20:27:01 1998 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:27:01 -0400 Subject: BOC: Dominance and Submission and Al In-Reply-To: <35FEDBED.DD86AA4D@dlcwest.com> Message-ID: At 04:28 PM 9/15/98 -0500, you wrote: >Andy Gilham wrote: > >> Just got a Radio Birdman LP bootleg, _Rock'n'Roll War_, with a live version >> of "Career of Evil". Usual dodgy bootleg quality, fairly faithful version, >> nice laid-back gtr solo from Deniz. >> >> - Andy >> >> mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > > I went down to our areas best music store in terms of rarities and selection >to see if I could find some Radio Birdman albums, but I found none nor even a >place for them on the rack. Did any RB albums get released on CD and if so how >Speaking of covers of BOC, has anybody heard the version of Dominance and >Submission Mike Watt did on some single from Ball Hog or Tug Boat, if so how does it sound? Good. it runs like a good rhythm oriented track played with scruffiness, not the speedier one found on ETL. Joe handles piano and Al does what he does best. After the surf guitar break, the bass (Mike Watt?..though I dont remember who did the guitar) and piano trade solos and Al does some fills that are just plain...Al Theres a neat piano crescendo right before the "In times square" section... and as the call and response of the title gets going, the end is mangled quite well by slowing the tape down making the voices sound nicely demented. I like it. It offers a twist to an old sonic friend. The EP is a Euro release (as are most things good and rare). Jason From StevenTice at AOL.COM Tue Sep 15 23:17:25 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:17:25 EDT Subject: OFF: Spawn, BOC non-reference... Message-ID: In a message dated 98-09-15 10:35:39 EDT, you write: << The line was uttered in the first episode of the second season of HBO's Spawn and goes something like this: Violator - "This world isn't about trust. Its about Dominance and Submission, its about power." Ghost in the Ruins... ... a huge fan of the animated series. >> Oh, well, this probably isn't a BOC reference, then... "Dominance and submission" is pretty much a set phrase, it wasn't invented by Sandy Pearlman. For another example, if Violator were to say "Heaven forbid!" sometime, that probably wouldn't be a BOC reference either. :-) (Not that that's something he'd be liable to say unless with ironic intent, of course...:-) On the other hand, any mention of "flaming telepaths" or "tyranny and mutation" or "horn- swooped bungo ponies" WOULD probably be a BOC reference...:-) SET From StevenTice at AOL.COM Tue Sep 15 23:38:37 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:38:37 EDT Subject: BOC sheet music Message-ID: In a message dated 98-09-15 09:54:39 EDT, you write: << >Musically, it won't give you too many clues about BOC's music. I beg to differ. I've found it pretty good. No TAB, granted (which I mentioned), and most of the leads aren't there. But most of the basic chord work is there, and the main riffs/basslines are pretty much there. I've done pretty well using this book along with listening to the CDs to figure out BOC's stuff. I agree...it provides the basic structure for most of the songs. Plus, I'll never forget the thrill of getting all those bizarre Pearlman lyrics for the first time! :-) >Most BOC fans would be better off getting the Cult Classic book, which has all the lead parts transcribed. Well, I do think this is also an excellent book (although if they're gonna transcribe all the guitar parts, then they should do the bass parts too ;) I agree again, although I'd rather they just go ahead and transcribe everything. :-) A full score, that's my goal! There are some inaccuracies in the transcriptions, however...and some amazing screw-ups on the lyrics... >> >I wonder if they've got the songbook for AoF and Spectres combined? Or the Mirrors book? Got 'em all myself... Well, they aren't currently listed, but perhaps in the future... I've got these myself as well (and I ain't parting with them). >> I don't have the Mirrors book, although I've often considered ordering it...what is the quality of the transcriptions? They did a terrific job on Spectres, no doubt because Joe Bouchard oversaw all of the transcriptions (I complimented him on that once, actually, and he seemed proud...of course, two of his songs are in there). While it's still standard piano, vocals, and guitar chord arrangements, every measure of every song is transcribed, and most of the guitar solos are even present. Is Mirrors that good, or is it more like AOF or the Anthology stuff? And while we're talking BOC sheet music, does anybody have the sheet music to Veteran of the Psychic Wars? I saw it once years ago in a music book for the Heavy Metal movie soundtrack... SET From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Wed Sep 16 01:14:49 1998 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 01:14:49 -0400 Subject: X Brothers show Message-ID: According to a certain Hilfiger, Tommorrow we (X Bros., w/Joe Bouchard) are playing in NYC at Life in Greenwich Village ; 158 Bleeker St. bout 11 pm. Go forth and listen! Jason From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Sep 16 07:31:30 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 07:31:30 EDT Subject: BOC sheet music In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Steven Tice > I don't have the Mirrors book, although I've often considered ordering > it...what is the quality of the transcriptions? They did a terrific job on > Spectres, no doubt because Joe Bouchard oversaw all of the transcriptions (I > complimented him on that once, actually, and he seemed proud...of course, two > of his songs are in there). While it's still standard piano, vocals, and > guitar chord arrangements, every measure of every song is transcribed, and > most of the guitar solos are even present. Is Mirrors that good, or is it > more like AOF or the Anthology stuff? > It's a typical pre-TAB book. Somewhat accurate, but no leads transcribed. Worthwhile for us fans, nonetheless... > And while we're talking BOC sheet music, does anybody have the sheet music to > Veteran of the Psychic Wars? I saw it once years ago in a music book for the > Heavy Metal movie soundtrack... > Wow! That sounds like a real rarity! theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Sep 16 08:39:18 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:39:18 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Operation Luv a deadringer for another tune? Message-ID: >Electrocution of the Heart it says there's a tune called When You're In You're In. Is this the same as Operation Luv (the former's title being in the chorus of the latter)? Or did it inspire that particular line in Operation Luv? The lyrics are the same - the music is vastly different. "When You're In You're In" is 80's metal headbanging at it's best. "Operation Luv" is... well, you have the album. Maybe it's just 'cuz I listen to Box of Hammers more than Electrocution of the Heart, but I like "Operation Luv" better. >Also, Electrocution of the Heart has a version of Love's a Killer, which is on the X-Brothers CD. Yeah, I'll have to go back and listen to Deadringer's version again sometime -- I think they're reasonably comparable, but I don't believe that Joe sings the lead vocals on any of the Deadringer songs. John PS: Speaking of "Love's a Killer", the all-woman metal band Vixen had a song by this title on their second album, "Rev it Up" - it's not at all related to the Deadringer/X-Brothers version, but it is a pretty cool song ("I've got a target on my back, for a cupid dressed in black..."). Vixen, after about a 7 year hiatus, recently released a new album, "Tangerine" on BOC's current label, CMC records, back in April. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Sep 16 08:41:59 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:41:59 -0400 Subject: BOC: Birdman again Message-ID: > Just got a Radio Birdman LP bootleg, _Rock'n'Roll War_, with a live version > of "Career of Evil". Usual dodgy bootleg quality, fairly faithful version, > nice laid-back gtr solo from Deniz. Is this the bootleg where the song is mis-labelled, "Career Beatle" ?? John From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Wed Sep 16 08:42:04 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:42:04 -0400 Subject: X Brothers show Message-ID: You going? Billy can probably give you directions. And I bet it's a shorter drive than to Rochester. RooooooooocK! I needed a pick-me-up last night, so I listened to KISS Alive, VH 1984, and Motley Crue's Shout at the Devil. How many ways can Paul Stanley say "Are you having a good time"? You'd be surprised. Well, no cheesy KISS albums here at work, so I guess I should get to business. I'm in the Psyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy I'm in the Psycho Circus. And it's on with the show! Hehehe, Brian -----Original Message----- From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision [mailto:js3619 at WIZVAX.NET] Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 1:15 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: X Brothers show According to a certain Hilfiger, Tommorrow we (X Bros., w/Joe Bouchard) are playing in NYC at Life in Greenwich Village ; 158 Bleeker St. bout 11 pm. Go forth and listen! Jason From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Sep 16 08:45:58 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:45:58 -0400 Subject: BOC: Birdman again Message-ID: > Speaking of covers of BOC, has anybody heard the version of Dominance and > Submission Mike Watt did on some single from Ball Hog or Tug > Boat, if so how > does it sound? Well, it is NOT on the Ball Hog or Tugboat album, but was a b-side to a few singles from that album. If you can find it - GET IT!!! This is an EXCELLENT version of D&S, and the Bouchard's figure prominently in it - Albert handles the lead vocals (updated a bit - "It's been 18 years, half my life.", and "Looking at me greedily, said it's 1994"), along with drums and some guitar. Joe plays keyboards (hard to imagine keys in D&S, but it works!). Good stuff - maybe it'll someday appear on "Malpractise, Volume II" ;-) John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Sep 16 08:50:33 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:50:33 -0400 Subject: BOC sheet music Message-ID: >Is Mirrors that good, or is it more like AOF or the Anthology stuff? I haven't studied the books that deeply to know for sure. >And while we're talking BOC sheet music, does anybody have the sheet music to Veteran of the Psychic Wars? I saw it once years ago in a music book for the Heavy Metal movie soundtrack... No, I didn't know it existed. Damn, another search... John From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Wed Sep 16 08:52:27 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:52:27 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: X Brothers show (Oops) Message-ID: Sorry, that was supposed to be to Jason, not the list. And the Motley Crue LP was just for nostalgia's sake... really. I stopped thrashing to them after the Dr. Feelgood album. ;-) -----Original Message----- From: brian halligan [mailto:brianh at PULLEYN.COM] Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 8:42 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: X Brothers show You going? Billy can probably give you directions. And I bet it's a shorter drive than to Rochester. RooooooooocK! I needed a pick-me-up last night, so I listened to KISS Alive, VH 1984, and Motley Crue's Shout at the Devil. How many ways can Paul Stanley say "Are you having a good time"? You'd be surprised. Well, no cheesy KISS albums here at work, so I guess I should get to business. I'm in the Psyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy I'm in the Psycho Circus. And it's on with the show! Hehehe, Brian -----Original Message----- From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision [mailto:js3619 at WIZVAX.NET] Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 1:15 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: X Brothers show According to a certain Hilfiger, Tommorrow we (X Bros., w/Joe Bouchard) are playing in NYC at Life in Greenwich Village ; 158 Bleeker St. bout 11 pm. Go forth and listen! Jason From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Sep 16 08:48:40 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:48:40 -0400 Subject: HW: NEED HW/Bedouin Tourdates for November! Message-ID: Please help if ya can. I'd call the bands, but they probably don't know! Rj From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Sep 16 08:56:10 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:56:10 EDT Subject: BOC: Birdman again In-Reply-To: <199809161245.IAA15838@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > > Speaking of covers of BOC, has anybody heard the version of Dominance and > > Submission Mike Watt did on some single from Ball Hog or Tug > > Boat, if so how > > does it sound? > > Well, it is NOT on the Ball Hog or Tugboat album, but was a b-side to a > few singles from that album. If you can find it - GET IT!!! This is an > EXCELLENT version of D&S, and the Bouchard's figure prominently in it - > Albert handles the lead vocals (updated a bit - "It's been 18 years, half > my life.", and "Looking at me greedily, said it's 1994"), along with > drums and some guitar. Joe plays keyboards (hard to imagine keys in > D&S, but it works!). But in the old days, when they did D&S live, Allen used to tear it up on keys during the Dominance....Submission vocal tradeoff. He used a building, heavyweight organ riff to propel things along to the guitar solo... theo From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Sep 16 09:00:49 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:00:49 +0100 Subject: BOC: Birdman again In-Reply-To: <199809161241.IAA15065@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: No, this is a different bootleg (but maybe the same recording, who knows). It's spelled correctly, and credited to "Bouchard/Smith - Blue Oyster Cult". BTW, the other covers on there are "I Wanna Be Your Dog", "Search and Destroy", "American Ruse", and "Rock and Roll" (Velvets). Also two versions of the legendary non-album track "Death by the Gun", and a version of "Insane Alive". - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of John A Swartz > Sent: 16 September 1998 13:42 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: BOC: Birdman again > > > > Just got a Radio Birdman LP bootleg, _Rock'n'Roll War_, with a > live version > > of "Career of Evil". Usual dodgy bootleg quality, fairly > faithful version, > > nice laid-back gtr solo from Deniz. > > Is this the bootleg where the song is mis-labelled, "Career Beatle" ?? > > John > From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Sep 16 09:00:52 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:00:52 +0100 Subject: BOC: Birdman again In-Reply-To: <199809161245.IAA15838@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > Well, it is NOT on the Ball Hog or Tugboat album, but was a b-side to a > few singles from that album. If you can find it - GET IT!!! This is an > EXCELLENT version of D&S, and the Bouchard's figure prominently in it - > Albert handles the lead vocals (updated a bit - "It's been 18 years, half > my life.", and "Looking at me greedily, said it's 1994"), along with > drums and some guitar. Joe plays keyboards (hard to imagine keys in > D&S, but it works!). Good stuff - maybe it'll someday appear on > "Malpractise, Volume II" ;-) > > John Or maybe on "Psychotherapy", or whatever the beginning-with-a-P album is to be called :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Wed Sep 16 09:11:03 1998 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:11:03 EDT Subject: OFF: Senser Message-ID: I have a CD by Senser called 'Stacked Up' . Does anyone know of any other CD's by this group and how do they compare to one another? Thanks in advance. regards, Bill Stewart From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Wed Sep 16 09:19:28 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:19:28 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Operation Luv a deadringer for another tune? Message-ID: I said: >>Also, Electrocution of the Heart has a version of Love's a Killer, which is on the X-Brothers CD. Then John said: >Yeah, I'll have to go back and listen to Deadringer's version again >sometime -- I think they're reasonably comparable, but I don't believe >that Joe sings the lead vocals on any of the Deadringer songs. Also, on the X Brothers CD, the song Wild Ones is credited to the same writers, but it isn't on a Deadringer album. A B-side maybe? >PS: Speaking of "Love's a Killer", the all-woman metal band Vixen had >a song by this title on their second album, "Rev it Up" - it's not at all >related to the Deadringer/X-Brothers version, but it is a pretty cool >song ("I've got a target on my back, for a cupid dressed in black..."). >Vixen, after about a 7 year hiatus, recently released a new album, >"Tangerine" on BOC's current label, CMC records, back in April. Vixen may rock, but for my money the best hard rock song by a female band (partly anyway), is "Barracuda" by Heart. You can forgive an ex Zeppelin cover band for ripping off the drumming. And I think by the time that song came out the riff was in the public domain... ;-) Volcano Girls by Veruca Salt comes in a close second. (I don't consider bands with just 1 female member like tBS or Smashing Pumpkins to be a female band per se.) Brian ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html "We are drawing a moustache on the wanted poster of the face of music." -Fierce Wicker ---------- From nexus at PANIX.COM Wed Sep 16 10:05:08 1998 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:05:08 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Operation Luv a deadringer for another tune? In-Reply-To: <329A5258416CD111928F006008A62C7656266D@bpxsv.156.106.206.in-addr.arpa> from "brian halligan" at Sep 16, 98 09:19:28 am Message-ID: >Vixen may rock, but for my money the best hard rock song by a female >band (partly anyway), is "Barracuda" by Heart. You can forgive an ex >Zeppelin cover band for ripping off the drumming. And I think by the >time that song came out the riff was in the public domain... ;-) >Volcano Girls by Veruca Salt comes in a close second. (I don't consider >bands with just 1 female member like tBS or Smashing Pumpkins to be a >female band per se.) >Brian Hmm, "Pretend We're Dead" by L7, or, say, "Queens of Noise" by the Runaways. (OK, I admit to a liking for the Runaways, I said it. Now leave me alone:-) JB From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Wed Sep 16 10:14:26 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:14:26 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Operation Luv a deadringer for another tune? Message-ID: >>Vixen may rock, but for my money the best hard rock song by a female >>band (partly anyway), is "Barracuda" by Heart. You can forgive an ex >>Zeppelin cover band for ripping off the drumming. And I think by the >>time that song came out the riff was in the public domain... ;-) >>Volcano Girls by Veruca Salt comes in a close second. (I don't consider >>bands with just 1 female member like tBS or Smashing Pumpkins to be a >>female band per se.) >>Brian >Hmm, "Pretend We're Dead" by L7, or, say, "Queens of Noise" by the Runaways. >(OK, I admit to a liking for the Runaways, I said it. Now leave me alone:-) > >JB It's OK. We all have our guilty pleasures (as evidenced by a previous BOC-L thread.) I'd like to hear L7's version of This Ain't the Summer of Love. Helen Wheel's band also does a rocking Shakin' Street. Brian ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html "We are drawing a moustache on the wanted poster of the face of music." -Fierce Wicker ---------- From MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Sep 16 10:10:32 1998 From: MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark P Lee) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:10:32 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 15 Sep 1998 to 16 Sep 1998 In-Reply-To: <199809160900.FAA07329@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Greetings people, Query for ya all, can anyone tell me where I can get hold of tabs for Hawks guitar, lead/bass, any tracks will do, trying to get our lead guy to stop doing tooooooooo much fancy stuff is a pain. If this stuff is on the web somewhere it would be nice. Thanks guys (and gals). Mark. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please reply to mark at esparto.demon.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Sep 16 11:20:29 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:20:29 +0100 Subject: HW: NEED HW/Bedouin Tourdates for November! Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 16, 1998 8:48 am -0400 sprawl wrote: > Please help if ya can. I'd call the bands, but they probably don't know! I just got a flyer from EBS today. I fear the only Nov date is The Underground, Bristol (0117 951 1412 ... +44 is the international UK code, yes? I can't remember ... :} ) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Sep 16 11:27:01 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:27:01 +0100 Subject: BRAIN: Operation Luv a deadringer for another tune? Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 16, 1998 10:05 am -0400 "Jeff Berry" wrote: >[Brian wrote:] >>Vixen may rock, but for my money the best hard rock song by a female >>band (partly anyway), is "Barracuda" by Heart. >>Volcano Girls by Veruca Salt comes in a close second. > > Hmm, "Pretend We're Dead" by L7, or, say, "Queens of Noise" by the Runaways. > (OK, I admit to a liking for the Runaways, I said it. Now leave me alone:-) Best all-female heavy rock band IMO is easily Misdemeanor from Stockholm. They have a raw-sounding but kick-arse 7" out, and I think have recorded some new material with guys from Fu Manchu producing. I also heard a live tape of them which Scott H. sent me, and it rocked as well. Very loud, very heavy riff- driven stuff in that Kyussy vein. For those that like it, these ladies are good at it :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Sep 16 11:38:58 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:38:58 +0100 Subject: HW: tab/music/etc. Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 16, 1998 3:10 pm +0100 "Mark P Lee" wrote: > Query for ya all, can anyone tell me where I can > get hold of tabs for Hawks guitar, lead/bass, any > tracks will do, trying to get our lead guy to stop > doing tooooooooo much fancy stuff is a pain. > If this stuff is on the web somewhere it would be > nice. Tab for Hawks lead guitar? Maybe for some of Huw's bits it makes sense, though I find that I could do perfectly decent Brockoid guitar by just leaning on the wah pedal and noodling merrily, being sure to pause every once in a while and give one note a good wah workout :) Duplicating a given recorded Lemmy bass line, like with his meandering solos in Space Ritual, might take some work but getting into a "Lemmy groove" is not too bad. Just pretend the bass is a lead guitar, solo like a bastard, drop into the riff when needed, and throw in some power chords every so often :) Alan Davey's parts are, not surprisingly, similar, though I fingd given riffs sometimes a bit harder to pick out because the production seems to bury his bass at times. I can hear it doing something clever, but I'm not sure what. Fake it :) But seriously, I recall seeing some basic HW tabs posted in the past at various points. I don't think they were lead parts though. There might have been some bass tabs. I don't remember if I saved them, but at the moment it doesn't matter since my personal machine is in for repairs and I've not got access to most of my files :/ You could always whack a few fingers off an overly fancy guitarist :) I never had the fingering speed to have a problem in _that_ direction :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Sep 16 11:47:59 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:47:59 +0100 Subject: OFF: Senser In-Reply-To: <23b2492.35ffb8e7@aol.com> Message-ID: Senser have been on the go for ages and started out as an agit-hiphop group. They split in two about two years ago with the female vocalist retaining the name. They're signed to Ultimate records in the UK who are at; http://www.ultimate-records.co.uk e-mail mail at ultimate-records.co.uk Z NP Hawkwind - 25 Years On 1977-1986 At 09:11 16/09/1998 EDT, you wrote: >I have a CD by Senser called 'Stacked Up' . Does anyone know of any other CD's >by this group and how do they compare to one another? Thanks in advance. > >regards, >Bill Stewart > ===================================== ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com PO Box 13499, Edinburgh, EH6 8YL, UK Phone 0966-389732, Fax 0131-467-1827 e-mail zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com ===================================== From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Sep 16 11:55:09 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:55:09 +0100 Subject: OFF: Senser In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:11:03 EDT." <23b2492.35ffb8e7@aol.com> Message-ID: > I have a CD by Senser called 'Stacked Up' . Does anyone know of any other CD's > by this group and how do they compare to one another? Thanks in advance. I think the latest album is called Asylum. Haven't heard it, or indeed Stacked Up to comment. Age of Panic is good for a mosh, but beyond that they are nothing to write home about IMHO. Tim ObCD: Massive Attack _Mezzanine_ From tgn at GATE.NET Wed Sep 16 12:42:16 1998 From: tgn at GATE.NET (Timothy G. Northrup) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:42:16 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Operation Luv a deadringer for another tune? Message-ID: > (I don't consider > bands with just 1 female member like tBS or Smashing Pumpkins to be a > female band per se.) > Brian You mean you don't believe The Pretenders to be a female band? ObCD: Classicks - Alice Cooper From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Sep 16 12:53:19 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:53:19 -0400 Subject: BOC: Birdman again Message-ID: >But in the old days, when they did D&S live, Allen used to tear it up on keys during the Dominance....Submission vocal tradeoff. He used a building, heavyweight organ riff to propel things along to the guitar solo... True. But, the Watt version uses basically an electric piano to punctuate the sound throughout the song - very different from Allen's organ work (which I had previously forgetten - guess tBS live version, heavy on the guitars, is erasing some older memories). John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Sep 16 12:56:58 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:56:58 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Operation Luv a deadringer for another tune? Message-ID: >Vixen may rock, but for my money the best hard rock song by a female band (partly anyway), is "Barracuda" by Heart. You can forgive an ex Zeppelin cover band for ripping off the drumming. And I think by the time that song came out the riff was in the public domain... ;-) Volcano Girls by Veruca Salt comes in a close second. Love both Heart and VS - BTW, the new Vixen CD reminds me on some tracks of Veruca Salt. John From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Wed Sep 16 13:26:43 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:26:43 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Operation Luv a deadringer for another tune? Message-ID: >> (I don't consider >> bands with just 1 female member like tBS or Smashing Pumpkins to be a >> female band per se.) >> Brian Timothy G. Northrup [tgn at GATE.NET] said: >You mean you don't believe The Pretenders to be a female band? Well... you got me. I guess there are some exceptions to the rule. I would also consider Pat Benetar + band to be a female band. I dunno. It doesn't really matter. Sex aside it all comes down to that great musical debate, "Rock vs. Suck". Barracuda rocks. Brian ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html "We are drawing a moustache on the wanted poster of the face of music." -Fierce Wicker ---------- From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Sep 16 15:30:19 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:30:19 -0700 Subject: BOC: Birdman again Message-ID: Just a couple quick notes on the subject - The Birdman boot that titles CoE as "Career Beatle" is a New Zealand-released LP called 'Murder City Nights'. I haven't heard the 'Rock&Roll War' version (anyone wanna trade tapes?), so I don't know whether they compare or not ... the 'Murder City Nights' version sounds like a very early Radio Birdman recording ... possibly from the pre-Masuak 5-piece lineup. I heard the remastered 'Living Eyes' the other day in Amoeba records (SF) and was pretty shocked to hear that it's been massively reMIXed also. For instance, the whole "Eat a chilli dog, lots of onions..." vocal on the bridge of "Do The TPBR" has been replaced with a guitar solo. It sounds great, but now I need both versions of the album! Watt's on tour again, with my pal Bob Lee (of a zillion bands, including Slotnick on the 'Assassins of Silence' Hawkwind tribute) drumming once again. Bob tells me that they've added about 10 cover songs to the set, although he didn't identify any by title ... but I'd be *shocked* if there wasn't at least one BOC song in the lot ... My favorite version of the D&S is by a long-defunct San Francisco band called World of Pooh, with bassist Barbara Manning singing "submission" on the call-and-response part ... sends chills down my spine every time ... laters, -Doug ceres at sirius.com From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Wed Sep 16 16:58:45 1998 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:58:45 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind passports Message-ID: > HAWKWIND PASSPORTS ARE NOW AVAILABLE. > > SEND AN A5 SAE TO > > HAWKWIND PASSPORTS > PO BOX 28 > HONITON > EAST DEVON > EX14 8AP > ENGLAND > UK Does anyone know what is the easiest way (or any way) to do this from the U.S.? Frank --- You know how it is when you're walking up the stairs, and you get to the top, and you think there's one more step? I'm like that all the time. -- Steven Wright ============================================================ Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Wed Sep 16 18:13:46 1998 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:13:46 EDT Subject: Hawkwind passports Message-ID: In a message dated 98-09-16 17:00:32 EDT, you write: << > HAWKWIND PASSPORTS ARE NOW AVAILABLE. > > SEND AN A5 SAE TO > > HAWKWIND PASSPORTS > PO BOX 28 > HONITON > EAST DEVON > EX14 8AP > ENGLAND > UK Does anyone know what is the easiest way (or any way) to do this from the U.S.? Frank >> yes, send a few IRC's...(International reply coupons) that can be purchased at your local post office bob http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html From flossbac at WCIC.CIOE.COM Wed Sep 16 19:11:59 1998 From: flossbac at WCIC.CIOE.COM (John Majka) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:11:59 -0500 Subject: HW: tab/music/etc. Message-ID: At 04:38 PM 9/16/98 +0100, you wrote: >On Wed, Sep 16, 1998 3:10 pm +0100 "Mark P Lee" >wrote: >> Query for ya all, can anyone tell me where I can >> get hold of tabs for Hawks guitar, lead/bass, any >> tracks will do, trying to get our lead guy to stop >> doing tooooooooo much fancy stuff is a pain. >> If this stuff is on the web somewhere it would be >> nice. I actually posted some tabs for several HW songs a long time ago. I'm currently constructing a HW website and if I get ambitious, I'm planning on including some tabs too. John Majka flossbac at wcic.cioe.com From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Sep 16 21:46:11 1998 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 21:46:11 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Operation Luv a deadringer for another tune? Message-ID: BH: >You're In. Is this the same as Operation Luv (the former's title being >in the chorus of the latter)? Or did it inspire that particular line in >Operation Luv? It's like 'I'm On The Lam', and 'Red and Black'. The same but different! Al From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Wed Sep 16 22:39:38 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 21:39:38 -0500 Subject: BOC: Birdman again Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: > The best place to get Birdman. and also Deniz Tek and New Christs, stuff, is > from Citadel Records - find them on a link from > http://www.sdv.fr/pages/dgieff/rob.htm. They should have both RB's albums > (CD remasters) and loads more besides. > > Be warned - once you start, you'll want everything! But maybe start with > Radio Birdman's _Radios Appear_ album. > > - Andy Thanks for the help Andy, Its cool to see they have remastered copies, being a child of the 90's and all ;-). From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Wed Sep 16 23:04:03 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 22:04:03 -0500 Subject: BOC: Birdman again Message-ID: John A Swartz wrote: > Well, it is NOT on the Ball Hog or Tugboat album, but was a b-side to a > few singles from that album. If you can find it - GET IT!!! This is an > EXCELLENT version of D&S, and the Bouchard's figure prominently in it - > Albert handles the lead vocals (updated a bit - "It's been 18 years, half > my life.", and "Looking at me greedily, said it's 1994"), along with > drums and some guitar. Joe plays keyboards (hard to imagine keys in > D&S, but it works!). Good stuff - maybe it'll someday appear on > "Malpractise, Volume II" ;-) > > > > John Sounds really cool, sounds like it's really different, have to keep looking for it though. Tried to get it in at a rarities record store and when I told the proprietor about it he said he never heard of it before and he definitely want's it for HIS collection, damn :-(. Jason said: The EP is a Euro release (as are most things good and rare). Ya, when it comes to collecting this band it always seems you have to do allot of searching. From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Sep 17 00:17:33 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 04:17:33 +0000 Subject: BRAIN: Operation Luv a deadringer for another tune? Message-ID: > >>Vixen may rock, but for my money the best hard rock song by a female > >>band (partly anyway), is "Barracuda" by Heart. You can forgive an ex > >>Zeppelin cover band for ripping off the drumming. And I think by the > >>time that song came out the riff was in the public domain... ;-) > >>Volcano Girls by Veruca Salt comes in a close second. (I don't > consider > >>bands with just 1 female member like tBS or Smashing Pumpkins to be a > >>female band per se.) > >>Brian > > >Hmm, "Pretend We're Dead" by L7, or, say, "Queens of Noise" by the > Runaways. > >(OK, I admit to a liking for the Runaways, I said it. Now leave me > alone:-) > > > >JB > > It's OK. We all have our guilty pleasures (as evidenced by a previous > BOC-L thread.) I'd like to hear L7's version of This Ain't the Summer of > Love. Helen Wheel's band also does a rocking Shakin' Street. > > Brian Whilst we speak of all things female in rock, may we take a moment to remember the one who could have kicked all their asses put together...the one, the only -- Wendy O. Williams. The image of this insane woman riding atop a flaming schoolbus singing "It's My Life" will be with me forever. May she rest in peace. -- Nick From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Thu Sep 17 04:56:33 1998 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:56:33 +0100 Subject: LEMMY:sort of Message-ID: Hi there, two sightings of Motorhed related trivia on last night's TV. Around 11.40 last night there were two music chat programmes, featuring Jo Whiley, the Mercury Music Prize (BBC2) and the Jo Whiley show (C4). On tMMP they interviewed the lead chap from Cornershop (Brim full of Ashra, Sleep on the left side) who was saying he thought they were liked because of their eclectic mix, while wearing a Motorhead t-shirt. I only mention this because he also mentioned Ted Chippington (head to toe) and I feel if I can ever work his name into an e-mail then life hasn't been a complete waste of time. Of more interest (and it can hardly be of less interest) is the Jo Whiley show which has as one of its features people talking about a song that played a part in their life which still sticks with them. Last nights chap was Lemmy, shot in moody black and white with colour bits, with warts ahoy and new teeth. Unfortunately I have no idea what song he was talking about, because I only caught the end where he spent most of the time lighting a fag (marlborough, for those of you who feel life would be incomplete without this information). However the show is repeated at 12.35 on Friday night, so people could find out all about it then if they are still awake. Cheers Mike w NP: A Quark night in Paris. Why is it a lone wolf production, when the CD has clearly two wolf like creatures, which may well be involved in an act of copulation (the central hole gives a certain ambiguity to their relative silhouetted positions)? I trust someone can answer me this important question. From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Thu Sep 17 05:14:00 1998 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:14:00 GMT Subject: HW: Atomhenge/Quark Night Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1998-09-17 10:14 I just got my copy of Atomhenge - have only listened to it in short snippets so far but really enjoyed the "groove" of Time For Sale. Does anyone know the credits for this track? Obviously, I haven't been following posts that closely recently - where can I get hold of the Quark Night In Paris CD? Finally, I understand that Hawkwind have a live '76 CD in the wings - does anyone know what the recording date of the gig is? Even more finally, is there a good quality CDR of HW at the Camden Music Machine (1977) available? I made a minidisc transfer from my tape and it is reasonable quality but I suspect there is an earlier generation tape floating around out there. Any pointers anyone? (BTW, this gig is awesome - the band really clicks into gear and never let up). Thanks in advance Mark From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Sep 17 05:50:08 1998 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 19:50:08 +1000 Subject: HW: (Fwd) Bedouin UK tour Message-ID: This is from EBS .... ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Subject: Bedouin UK tour Date sent: Tue, 8 Sep 98 18:16:44 -0000 From: Your Name To: (suppressed) Forward the info on Alan Davey Bedouin tour Sept: 19 Old Railway, Digbeth 0121 733 6434 24 Boat Race, Cambridge 01223 508533 26 Cellar, South Shields 0191 4553301 29 Albert, Brighton 01273 730499 30 Pavillion, Exmouth 01395 222477 October: 1 Riddles, Stoke-On-Trent 01782 844438 2 Verdi's, Weymouth 01305 779842 3 One In Ten Club, Bradford 01274 734160 7 Lady Godiva's, Coventry 01203 220938 8 Duchess Of York, Leeds 0113 2443446 9 Fat Sams, Mansfield 01623 423555 14 West One Four, West Kensington London 0171 6256957 15 Alexanders Jazz Theatre, Chester 01244 400414 16 Hannover Hotel, Liverpool 0151 709 6223 21 Boardwalk, Sheffield 0114 2798989 29 Witchwood, Ashton-Under-Lyme 0161 344 0321 31 Harrogate Arms, Harrogate 01423 502404 November: 12 Adelphi, Preston 01772 897961 Harvey Bainbridge is the support at Preston Mooch is the support at Exmouth There are 2 further gigs confirmed at Gwent and Derby but I have mis-filed the dates but you should find them on my still rudimentary web site on: dialspace.dial.pipex.com/andygee/ under the 'Space' section. It is here that further gigs and news will be announced, so if you could provide a link from your site to this one, that would be helpful. Thanks alot, Andy G. -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #14292706 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #14292706 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Sep 17 05:53:30 1998 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 19:53:30 +1000 Subject: LEMMY:sort of (also of interest to BOC) Message-ID: On 17 Sep 98, at 9:56, M S Wright wrote about LEMMY:sort of: > Hi there, > > two sightings of Motorhed related trivia on last night's TV. Troy Harris's HD is trashed, so he can't brag about this yet ..... On his recent US Trip he went to the Rainbow Club in LA with Bolle (BOC) and happened to run into Lemmy and spent an hour chatting to him! He also spent a few hours with the boys from BOC after the Pittsburgh show. I'm sure he tell you'se all about it after I help him get his PC back together .... Soniqu? -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #14292706 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Thu Sep 17 07:29:00 1998 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:29:00 +0200 Subject: HW: Atomhenge/Quark Night Message-ID: Hi Mark >Obviously, I haven't been following posts that closely recently - where can >I get hold of the Quark Night In Paris CD? Ask Henrik Hallgren >Finally, I understand that Hawkwind have a live '76 CD in the wings - does >anyone know what the recording date of the gig is? It is from the September/October 1976 Astounding-tour, maybe Bristol 27.10.76 >Even more finally, is there a good quality CDR of HW at the Camden Music >Machine (1977) available? I made a minidisc transfer from my tape and it is >reasonable quality but I suspect there is an earlier generation tape >floating around out there. Any pointers anyone? (BTW, this gig is awesome - >the band really clicks into gear and never let up). HAWKWIND played Camden twice during their short June 1977 tour (10.06.1977 and 11.06.1977). Do you talk about the 1st or the 2nd gig? AFAIK no CD-R exist from both tapes. It sound as if the original tape from the 1st day was a soundboard tape. I do have from this gig two tracks in excellent soundboard quality (Damnation Alley and Uncle Sam) but the other track have only the quality 7-8. I'd give my left arm to get the complete original mixingdesk recording. Bernhard From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Sep 17 08:56:59 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:56:59 -0400 Subject: BOC: Birdman again Message-ID: Thanks to Doug, Andy, and Laj for the recent info on these Birdman covers. I will update the BOC FAQ sometime in the next 4 months or so with this (and much more) info - if your names don't already appear in the credits listing, I will add them. Thanks again, John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Sep 17 09:01:16 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:01:16 -0400 Subject: BOC: Birdman again Message-ID: Laj writes, regarding my comments on the Watt D&S b-side: > Sounds really cool, sounds like it's really different, have to keep looking for it though. It is a bit different, yes - but very true to BOC's original version. It's got a 90's heaviness to it (nice "wall of guitar" sound that makes this track sound like it could've been on *Trepanation*), but it almost makes you feel like you could dance to it. The two Watt singles that I know it appeared on are the "Big Bang Theory" single in the U.S., and the "Piss Bottle Man" single in Europe. Just make sure that if you find one of these singles, you ask about the track listing - I've seen several ads for the PBM single which was only a 1-track CD. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Sep 17 09:02:57 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:02:57 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Operation Luv a deadringer for another tune? Message-ID: >Whilst we speak of all things female in rock, may we take a moment to remember the one who could have kicked all their asses put together...the one, the only -- Wendy O. Williams. I sometimes wish I hadn't sold my Plasmatics LPs... "You had it made, you had it made, you had it made but you BLEW IT!" -- Masterplan, "The Plasmatics" From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Sep 17 09:09:38 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:09:38 +0100 Subject: OFF:Web page favour Message-ID: Could someone do me a favour and check out one of the pages on my web site. I've decided to put some cover scans on my Hawkwind pages, but I've just uploaded a file from my mono laptop(!) and can't tell what it look likes. Any help appreciated. Page is at http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/251.html Regards, Z ===================================== ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com PO Box 13499, Edinburgh, EH6 8YL, UK Phone 0966-389732, Fax 0131-467-1827 e-mail zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com ===================================== From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Thu Sep 17 09:54:54 1998 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:54:54 +0100 Subject: BOC: E-Bow In-Reply-To: <199809101249.IAA09827@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, John A Swartz wrote: > PS: Also, in a quick blurb about a new version of the EBow, it mentions > that the original EBow was used on "Don't Fear the Reaper". Is that correct? I have certainly seen Buck use an e-bow on 'Heavy Metal - Black and Silver', but I don't remember it on early performances on 'Reaper'. Maybe I was headbanging too much to notice. - Mike Godwin From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Thu Sep 17 10:20:32 1998 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (J.Scruton) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:20:32 -0400 Subject: BOC: E-Bow In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 02:54 PM 9/17/98 +0100, you wrote: >Is that correct? I have certainly seen Buck use an e-bow on 'Heavy Metal - >Black and Silver', but I don't remember it on early performances on >'Reaper'. Maybe I was headbanging too much to notice. I think its the part after the guitar solo where Eric takes over the EBowed note that goes the most of the final verse,so Buck can crank out that wonderful chord sequence. Don't fear the EBow hehe Jason From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Sep 17 10:10:51 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:10:51 EDT Subject: BOC: E-Bow In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: M R Godwin > On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, John A Swartz wrote: > > PS: Also, in a quick blurb about a new version of the EBow, it mentions > > that the original EBow was used on "Don't Fear the Reaper". > > Is that correct? I have certainly seen Buck use an e-bow on 'Heavy Metal - > Black and Silver', but I don't remember it on early performances on > 'Reaper'. Maybe I was headbanging too much to notice. > > - Mike Godwin E-bow was used on Godzilla [the end part--History shows again and again....Folly of man--E-bow/////] Definitely on Reaper on SEE, the end part, but was done by EB, not Buck. Embarrased to say I don't remember if he's still using it. Not sure if BD's using it on Godzilla any more either... There may be other songs, but those are the ones that I remember... theo From tgn at GATE.NET Thu Sep 17 12:11:39 1998 From: tgn at GATE.NET (Timothy G. Northrup) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:11:39 -0400 Subject: BOC: E-Bow Message-ID: On Thursday, September 17, 1998 10:11 AM, Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 [SMTP:tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU] wrote: > Definitely on Reaper on SEE, the end part, but was done by EB, not > Buck. Embarrased to say I don't remember if he's still using it. > Not sure if BD's using it on Godzilla any more either... > > There may be other songs, but those are the ones that I remember... > > theo Saw BOC in August at the Orlando House of Blues, and the E-Bow was still in use. I'm almost positive it was EB that used it, but don't remember which tune (memory is hazy). -- Tim From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Sep 17 12:12:04 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:12:04 +0100 Subject: Advice wanted: PC CD Writers. Message-ID: I'm giving some consideration to buying a CD-writer for a home PC. I'm likely to use it for offline storage of data. However I'd also like to get some of my old LP's moved onto CD. I know next to nothing about the technology so I'm looking for advice as to what criteria to use for selection of the hardware and recommendations and what other kit I'd need to support the hardware. I'll be buying something to mount internally in a tower unit. Also, since I will be dealing with LP's I'm looking for advice as to which software would be useful for such a project. Software which allowed some sort of filtering/editing would be useful if it could take out hiss from cassettes and pops and click from LP's without too much manual effort. Also I'd like to be able to properly index tracks, even when tracks are sequed on the LP. Obviously there'll be some freeware out there to do such stuff but I'm willing to pay reasonable prices if it gets me better software or software that requires less hands on to do filtering. Being able to write Mpeg files of music would also be useful. Finally, I've heard of TV tuner cards for PCs, but is there a card which would allow Mpeg files downloaded from the Net onto videotape in PAL/VHS format? Thanks in advance for any advice. FoFP From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Sep 17 12:49:14 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:49:14 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: Advice wanted: PC CD Writers. In-Reply-To: <199809171612.RAA22647@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Sep 1998, M Holmes wrote: => I'm giving some consideration to buying a CD-writer for a home PC. I'm => likely to use it for offline storage of data. However I'd also like to => get some of my old LP's moved onto CD. I know next to nothing about the => technology so I'm looking for advice as to what criteria to use for => selection of the hardware and recommendations and what other kit I'd => need to support the hardware. I'll be buying something to mount => internally in a tower unit. Main criteria for CD-R hardware selection: does it support disc-at-once recording!! (Crucial for mastering live CDs with no gaps between tracks; luckily, most models do support this.) Other than that, it's just a case of general reliability, and speed, IMHO. I've heard good things about the Plextor models. However, I strongly recommend checking out the CD-R FAQ at http://www.fadden.com/cdrfaq/, which contains a section on specific models with known pros and cons and caveats of each. Also, most CD-R software is biased to work with SCSI hardware, and so you may like to think about buying a good, bus mastering SCSI controller for your machine, if you don't already have one. Using SCSI wherever possible reduces the risk of making coasters. => Also, since I will be dealing with LP's I'm looking for advice as to => which software would be useful for such a project. Software which => allowed some sort of filtering/editing would be useful if it could take => out hiss from cassettes and pops and click from LP's without too much => manual effort. Also I'd like to be able to properly index tracks, even => when tracks are sequed on the LP. Obviously there'll be some freeware => out there to do such stuff but I'm willing to pay reasonable prices if => it gets me better software or software that requires less hands on to do => filtering. I've found that good software is all-important (more so than the hardware, IMHO!). If you're using a Mac, I'd recommend Adaptec Jam for this work. For a PC clone running M$-Windoze, I'd recommend Sonic Foundry's CD Architect (along with Sonic Foundry's Sound Forge 4.0, if you're going the whole hog:). Both of these allow full subcode editing, normalisation, non-destructive effects such as cross-fading, trimming, etc., which means they can master just about any type of audio CD you want. (In fact, they are designed with professional mastering in mind.) They also have tools to aid in cleaning up old analogue recordings. Alas, I don't have either of these, but I know folks who have used them, and swear by them. Their only downside is price. For digitising LPs, cassette's, etc., you'd also need to buy a high-quality sound card. The names Roland and Turtle Beach always seem to crop up in this regard. Remember, the better your ADC, the better your results will be (since all processing introduces artifacts into the sound). Lots of CD-R harware comes bundled with Adaptec's Easy CD Creator, which includes a component to make CDs from analogue sources such as LP and cassette. But ya gets what ya pays for (and EZCDC doesn't allow subcode editing, which means you can't perform fine control over the pregap, etc.)... (A "freebie" solution can be had by combining CDWAV with CDRWin, but that still leaves finding some "freebie" noise reduction/cleanup software, too. And I've had 2 for 2 coasters using CDRWin so far, since it always aborts the burn near the end with a "SCSI bus reset detected"---anyone know how to cure this???) Remember to check that the software you use can write in disc-at-once mode! (Not all can, e.g., Adaptec Toast for Macintosh.) => Being able to write Mpeg files of music would also be useful. You can get freebie programs to do this, especially if you're using M$-Windoze. Cheers, Paul. obCD-R: Gov't Mule, _Dancing Across the Water_ (made using CD Architect and Sound Forge) e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Sep 17 14:11:36 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:11:36 -0700 Subject: HW: Atomhenge/Quark Night Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:14:00 GMT, Mark Edmonds asked: >I just got my copy of Atomhenge - have only listened to it in short snippets >so far but really enjoyed the "groove" of Time For Sale. Does anyone know >the credits for this track? My guess would be Calvert/Rudolph, maybe even Calvert/Rudolph/Powell (although Dave is prominent on the backing vocals). The reasoning being the announcement that Rudolph and Powell were sacked from the band for being "too funky". I never quite understood that accusation (well, there is "The Aubergine that Ate Rangoon") until I heard "Time For Sale" - then it made perfect sense! For the record, I like the song, even though it is pretty damn uncharacteristic for Hawkwind - I may even like the "funk" bent more than the reggae flavorings of the last few years. Then again, this was the era (76/77) where it seemed like every band in the world had to release a disco cash-in album (or at least a song or two), so I think you have to give a lot of credit to Hawkwind for steadfastly refusing to do so. All that being said, I like the groove on the 'Atomhenge' version of "Uncle Sam's On Mars" even better. It shows Dave's love of Neu's music better than anything else Hawkwind have ever done, and I really like the way that it's a total contrast to the punk-ish version of the song that the Hawklords were playing a couple of years later (which I also really like). If anyone knows more about this, please speak up! Still eagerly awaiting my copy of 'Quark Night...' -Doug ceres at sirius.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Sep 17 17:31:53 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:31:53 -0700 Subject: OFF: the conspiracy against Dave Message-ID: ... just found an interesting article about the trials and tribulations of crossing the Canada/US border ... check it out ... http://www.livelinks.com/sumeria/politics/horror.html From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Thu Sep 17 18:15:04 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:15:04 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: Advice wanted: PC CD Writers. Message-ID: I just recently bought a Hi-Val CD recorder. Cost me $300 US. I use my walk-man to feed analog into my aux port. My pc came with the standard audio center that comes on most prefab pc's. Works great for creating wav files, in cd quality. Also in that package is an app called Audio-View, which is much better than Cooledit96. With this, you can view the wav form, splice, add or remove effects, fade in or out, etc. The HV CDR came with cool software. Can just click record, choose wav, and record as a *.CDA file. You can diskcopy, or make a disc by simply dragging and dropping the files. It writes the CD directory at the last step, so you can create (even audio disks) in multiple sessions. Hint, I also have an app that converts RA or RAM files to wavs. I would not concern myself with speed in the least. Mine is r8 (or maybe r4, I forget,) and w1-2 (can choose speed.) Hope that helps. Rj From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Thu Sep 17 18:18:29 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:18:29 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind passports Message-ID: Also know that an A5 is a 6X9 envelope. My wife made our local PO call England. =) RJ Bob Lennon wrote: > Does anyone know what is the easiest way (or any way) to do this from the > U.S.? > > Frank > >> > yes, > send a few IRC's...(International reply coupons) that can be purchased at your > local post office > bob From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Sep 18 04:06:36 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 09:06:36 +0100 Subject: OFF: ROY HARPER Message-ID: Roy is due back from his US tour soon and has put together a full UK tour. Rather than take up bandwith the full listing is at; ===================================== ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com PO Box 13499, Edinburgh, EH6 8YL, UK Phone 0966-389732, Fax 0131-467-1827 e-mail zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com ===================================== From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Sep 18 04:30:49 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (zeitgeist-scot) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 08:30:49 GMT Subject: OFF: Orion Space Rock Festival II in Baltimore October 3rd 98 Message-ID: The following was posted on the alt.music.spacerock group Z On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:01:21 -0400, in alt.music.spacerock Adam Levin wrote: > Orion Space Rock Festival II > Saturday, October 3 1998 7:30PM > > Orion Sound Studios > 2903 Whittington Ave > Baltimore, Maryland > >The Second Annual Orion Space Rock Festival will be held on Saturday >October 3rd at Orion Sound Studios in Baltimore, Maryland. The festival >will feature three of the top U.S. Space Rock acts performing full sets >accompanied by a psychedelic light show provided by The Solar Fire >Lightshow group, the folks behind the StrangeDaze '97 and '98 festivals. > >Featured performers: > >o Alien Planetscapes > Space jazz-rock fusion > See http://www.uniflex.net/~borntogo/ap_01.html > >o Quarkspace > Space rock heavy on the improv > See http://users.aol.com/quarkspace/qspace.htm > >o Born to Go > Heavy space > See http://www.uniflex.net/~borntogo/btg.html > >ADMISSION: All ages are welcome! Advance tickets are available from > Orion. Call the studio at 410.646.7334 after 2pm EST for > details > >OTHER INFO: Email alevin at DarkAether.net, or point your favorite web > browser to http://prog.ari.net/prog/shows/showcase/ > >======================================================================== > >Directions: >-Take I-95 to exit 50, Caton Ave. (Just inside the south west side of the > 695 beltway) >-Take Caton Ave south to the third traffic light and turn left onto Washington > Blvd >-Go 1/4 mile up the hill to the U-Haul sign and turn right onto Inverness. >-At the end of Inverness, turn left onto Whittington Ave. >-Go to the end of Whittington and turn right into the parking lot > at 2903 Whittington, in the Whittington Business Center. >-Orion is on the right. > >-Adam > >--- > "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, > out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one > becomes a Hearer." > - Chandrakirti > > T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t > http://www.darkaether.net/ > From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri Sep 18 00:47:43 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 04:47:43 +0000 Subject: OFF: Comebacks Message-ID: I don't know if anybody even wants to bother picking up this strain, but something occurred to me while listening to the new UFO album, and I'd like other people's opinions on it: Is it just me, or are the rock comebacks getting better and better? Back in the 80s, when I was in high school and college, the rule of thumb among my friends was that if a 70s band was doing a comeback album, you approached it VERY carefully. For the most part they sucked, with once-great rockers letting the crappiest facets of commercial MTV pop get into their music. Two of the more obvious ones that come to mind for me are Steppenwolf and the Doobie Brothers, who both put out some incredibly lame product. It was especially sad for me to hear 'Wolf's John Kay, whose voice is to this day as good as ever, growling over those cheesy keyboards and fake horns. Or how about Alice Cooper? Constrictor and Raise your Fist and Yell were spotty at best...Trash was just that, and Hey Stoopid for the most part lived up to its name. One major exception to the rule was Deep Purple. Perfect Strangers was amazing and, with the exception of the early 90s disc The Battle Rages On, their stuff continues to be incredible. But here in the 90s, it seems that these rock and rollers are abandoning all hope of retaining commercial appeal and putting out albums that they know the fans are gonna dig. With great new 90s albums from BOC, Uriah Heep, UFO, Molly Hatchet, Mountain and Alice Cooper (Last Temptation), the word "comeback" no longer seems like two four-letter words to me, and I have almost no fear when purchase music from a long-dead rock band. One exception in this decade for me has been Yes, who seem to decline further with every offering. Just some random thoughts, comment if you care. -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri Sep 18 00:47:43 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 04:47:43 +0000 Subject: BOC: E-Bow Message-ID: > Saw BOC in August at the Orlando House of Blues, and the E-Bow was still in use. > I'm almost positive it was EB that used it, but don't remember which tune (memory is hazy). > > -- Tim What exactly IS an E-Bow? -- Nick From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Sep 18 07:27:18 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 07:27:18 EDT Subject: BOC: E-Bow In-Reply-To: <199809180848.EAA06927@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: > From: "" > > What exactly IS an E-Bow? > > -- Nick It's a little gadget with powerful magnets inside. You hold it over a string, and the magnets actually make the string vibrate, similar to the way a bow makes a violin [cello, etc] string vibrate. It gives you endless sustain. A most cool effect. I got one back in '79 when my band was covering a lot of BOC tunes, and I could accomplish the Reaper and 'Zilla ebow licks with good results... theo From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Sep 18 09:15:07 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:15:07 +0100 Subject: LEMMY:sort of In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , M S Wright writes >Hi there, > >two sightings of Motorhed related trivia on last night's TV. Around 11.40 >last night there were two music chat programmes, featuring Jo Whiley, the >Mercury Music Prize (BBC2) and the Jo Whiley show (C4). On tMMP they >interviewed the lead chap from Cornershop (Brim full of Ashra, Sleep on >the left side) who was saying he thought they were liked because of their >eclectic mix, while wearing a Motorhead t-shirt. I only mention this >because he also mentioned Ted Chippington (head to toe) and I feel if I >can ever work his name into an e-mail then life hasn't been a complete >waste of time. Did you see Delakota on the same show? That's my brother. The whole band BTW have written complaints about the sound. Cass couldn't hear himself sing *at all*, which is why he sounded so duff. Honest. And his spot was recorded a week ago so he didn't meet the Lemster. :( Hey, Mike, do you still have your "A Good Mate Of Ted" badge? Rockin' with Rita, you just can't beat her! " 'scuse me mate, could you tell us how far to the railway station?" -- Jon From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Sep 18 09:23:09 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:23:09 +0100 Subject: BOC: E-Bow Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 wrote: > > From: "" > > > > What exactly IS an E-Bow? > > > > -- Nick > > It's a little gadget with powerful magnets inside. You hold it over > a string, and the magnets actually make the string vibrate, similar > to the way a bow makes a violin [cello, etc] string vibrate. It > gives you endless sustain. > > A most cool effect. I got one back in '79 when my band was covering > a lot of BOC tunes, and I could accomplish the Reaper and 'Zilla ebow > licks with good results... > > theo And if you're in the UK and you want one, get in touch with "Mad" Dixie Kidd, at Dixie's Music, Almondbury, Huddersfield, as he's got the sole license for UK distribution. (Not sure of the address, but get a copy of The Guitar Magazine (not arse like Guitarist) and he'll have an ad in the Wheel and Deal section. Alternatively, call directory enquiries and ask for Dixie's Music or DJ Guitars. Failing that, try the Rat and Ratchet, Chapel Hill, Huddersfield, where you'll find him most Friday nights. Man.) Look, I don't work for Dixie. Or Guitar Magazine. Any more. :-) Cheers, Rich. ** The only station on the London Underground ** ** to contain none of the letters from the word ** ** 'mackerel' is St John's Wood. ** From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Sep 18 09:29:20 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:29:20 +0100 Subject: BOC: E-Bow Message-ID: E-bows are fun :) I find they work best on clean sounds, rather than distorted (but mileage varies, I gather) and one can pile up effects under them and make some very far out noises :) in space we trust, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From christmu at EUNET.NO Fri Sep 18 10:33:57 1998 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu at EUNET.NO) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 16:33:57 +0200 Subject: HW: Atomhenge/Quark Night In-Reply-To: <199809181023.MAA22437@login-2.eunet.no> Message-ID: Doug Pearson wrote: >My guess would be Calvert/Rudolph, maybe even Calvert/Rudolph/Powell >(although Dave is prominent on the backing vocals). The reasoning being >the announcement that Rudolph and Powell were sacked from the band for >being "too funky". I never quite understood that accusation (well, there >is "The Aubergine that Ate Rangoon") until I heard "Time For Sale" - then >it made perfect sense! For the record, I like the song, even though it is >pretty damn uncharacteristic for Hawkwind - I may even like the "funk" bent >more than the reggae flavorings of the last few years. Then again, this >was the era (76/77) where it seemed like every band in the world had to >release a disco cash-in album (or at least a song or two), so I think you >have to give a lot of credit to Hawkwind for steadfastly refusing to do so. I thought the whole "new wave" direction actually was bold as hell commercially but artistically very natural, Hawkwind (mostly!) not being prog-musos, and I guess thats why a disco Hawkwind would seem out of place, whereas the dub/reggae/techno aspect these days is not so odd after the 80s and 90s, or the straight up metal ala Black Sword. But I agree its very cool and an intriguing thought and maybe there is a Long Lost Hawkwind Disco Album?? Maybe Nik T sleeps with the tapes... > >All that being said, I like the groove on the 'Atomhenge' version of "Uncle >Sam's On Mars" even better. It shows Dave's love of Neu's music better >than anything else Hawkwind have ever done, and I really like the way that >it's a total contrast to the punk-ish version of the song that the >Hawklords were playing a couple of years later (which I also really like). Yeah! It does sound like NEU!. Hawkwinds dronerock influence is huge with the Spacemen 3 etc. (just got a used pill box edition of Spiritualized "Ladies..."!!!) drone camp, its funny that the noise/drone/ambient stuff comes as natural to Hawkwind (being partial originators) as straight up punk or metal (and being hugely influential to both) or whatever, and still retain the Hawkwind 'sound' or identity. I was listening to Stooges' Funhouse and can't help but draw comparisons to Hawkwind, especially "TV Eye". That track wouldn't be out of place to appear in the middle of "You Shouldn't Do That"! Somehow next to an electronic track... >If anyone knows more about this, please speak up! >Still eagerly awaiting my copy of 'Quark Night...' Me too. But Doug, how can you live with those track silences on Atomhenge?? :) Christian From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Fri Sep 18 12:49:52 1998 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 18:49:52 +0200 Subject: HW: News from Brian Tawn Message-ID: Here are the news from Brian?s HW feedback newsletter: 1.)A new HW album called "Hawkwind in your area" will be released by Griffin Records on Nov. 1st. Tracks included thereon: - Brainstorm/In your area - Alchemy - Love in space/Rat race - Aerospaceage inferno - Fantasy - Prairie - Diana Park - Into the realms of Luxotica - Earth breath and, according to Brock, "1st landing on Medusa" It seems to me that this will be a live album of the autumn 97 tour. "In your area" and "Rat race" should be the rapping middle parts of the tracks by Cpt. Rizz+, "Fantasy" is probably the new song played on that tour. I can?t imagine what the last 4 tracks are about... any suggestions ? 2.) Griffin will also release a book about Pink Floyd, along with a CD feat. 1 track by HW: "Interstellar overdrive" ! 3.) "HW also play a notable part on an upcoming CD from the 1997 Strange Daze event" 4.) There will be no autumn tour this year, because HW are to involved in working on the new studio album and the big stageshows for 1999, both based on the Ledge of Darkness concept. That?s the most important news in this newsletter. Just thought you?d like to know this. Andreas From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Sep 18 13:25:56 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:25:56 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: Advice wanted: PC CD Writers. In-Reply-To: <360189E8.8EAED9E6@blackboard.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Sep 1998, sprawl wrote: => dragging and dropping the files. It writes the CD directory at the last => step, so you can create (even audio disks) in multiple sessions. With the caveat that multi-session audio CDs will only play all the sessions in multi-session CD-ROM drives, i.e., only the first session will play in standard consumer CD players. (I have a Peter Green era Fleetwood Mac CD I made, which I later added some Peter Green material to later, as a second session on the disc. In a computer CD-ROM drive, it shows 20 tracks; in my portable CD player, and the one I have at home, it shows only the first 12 tracks...) (BTW, the table of contents is actually written at the beginning of a session, not at the end.) => I would not concern myself with speed in the least. Mine is r8 (or => maybe r4, I forget,) and w1-2 (can choose speed.) I agree, unless you are going to be burning a lot of CDs on a regular basis, e.g., as trades. Personally, I just set it going and leave it on its merry way, and come back later when the CD is "cooked." :-) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Sep 18 13:26:22 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 18:26:22 +0100 Subject: HW: News from Brian Tawn In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > It seems to me that this will be a live album of the autumn 97 > tour. "In your > area" and "Rat race" should be the rapping middle parts of the > tracks by Cpt. > Rizz+, "Fantasy" is probably the new song played on that tour. I > can?t imagine > what the last 4 tracks are about... any suggestions ? Could it be a part-live, part-studio album, like _PXR5_ or _Grill_? I hope "Diana Park" isn't an instrumental! > 4.) There will be no autumn tour this year, because HW are to > involved in working > on the new studio album and the big stageshows for 1999, both > based on the Ledge > of Darkness concept. Scary! - Andy ObCD: Rory Gallagher - _Photo-Finish_ remaster mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From StevenTice at AOL.COM Fri Sep 18 15:46:31 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 15:46:31 EDT Subject: OFF: Comebacks Message-ID: In a message dated 98-09-18 05:27:26 EDT, you write: << One exception in this decade for me has been Yes, who seem to decline further with every offering. >> You think so? Well, I suppose it depends which Yes you're talking about...there's little resemblance between seventies Yes and eighties Yes, and you never know which Yes you're going to hear an updated version of...but last year's Keys to Ascension II had some surprisingly strong material. Of course, that was balanced by the release of Open Your Eyes, proving that even without Trevor Rabin they can produce lots of pop mush if they so choose... SET From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Fri Sep 18 16:30:15 1998 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 20:30:15 GMT Subject: OFF: Comebacks In-Reply-To: <199809180848.EAA06930@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: wrote: >four-letter words to me, and I have almost no fear when purchase >music from a long-dead rock band. One exception in this decade for me >has been Yes, who seem to decline further with every offering. > >Just some random thoughts, comment if you care. Sure I do care, since I disagree about Yes :-) 'Talk' and 'Open Your Eyes' are their best since 'Going For The One'. Relaxed and surprisingly non-pretentious as never before, Yes extracted the best of their sound - especially because not having to proove and explain who and what they are to anyone. And also finally they overcame the "progressive" complex. And the same applies to all the performers you mentioned. In the 80's it was different - a lot of them were subdued by "post baby-boomers" which disdained album orientation, and were strictly (pop!) hit single oriented. To such set of rules it was difficult for 70's album bands to adjust. Situation changed in the beginning of 90's, with Zepp sound revival and the grunge explosion. Goran Janicijevic From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Sep 18 16:45:19 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:45:19 -0700 Subject: OFF: Comebacks Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 04:47:43 +0000, "" wrote: >Back in the 80s, when I was in high school and college, the rule of >thumb among my friends was that if a 70s band was doing a comeback album, you >approached it VERY carefully. For the most part they sucked, with >once-great rockers letting the crappiest facets of commercial MTV >pop get into their music... > >...But here in the 90s, it seems that these rock and rollers are >abandoning all hope of retaining commercial appeal and putting out >albums that they know the fans are gonna dig. With great new 90s albums >from BOC ... and Alice Cooper (Last Temptation), the word "comeback" >no longer seems like two four-letter words to me ... Funny, just the other day, I received this in my mailbox off another mailing list, regarding a recent Alice Cooper show: >We expected a not very good show - to be entertained by a still in his cheese >hair metal phase older and softer Alice. >We were in a word "mindfucked!" > >He was incredible. The band was made up of younger guys that must have been >fans of the original band (sort of looked the part too - funny) >We're not treading nostalgia here, though. >Not a metalish band or nostalgic act at all. They sounded as good as the >original band (and I realize what kind of a statement I'm making). >His set list was peppered with all the hits and some real surprises, like a >long, long jammed version of "Halo of Flies" a real favorite of mine off of >'Killer'. This was more "psychedelic" than we could have ever imagined. >Alice Cooper was once more vital and making great music again - Sounds like something I'm gonna have to check out ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Sat Sep 19 00:55:00 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 00:55:00 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: Advice wanted: PC CD Writers. Message-ID: Paul Mather wrote: > With the caveat that multi-session audio CDs will only play all the > sessions in multi-session CD-ROM drives, i.e., only the first session > will play in standard consumer CD players. (I have a Peter Green era > Fleetwood Mac CD I made, which I later added some Peter Green material > to later, as a second session on the disc. I'm sure that is true to your experience, but not with the one I have. Only the HiVal _PLUS_ software allows this. I have tested it, and all tracks read true, no matter what I play it on. That is the value of writing the Contents at the _end_ of the session. I know this is true, because when I begin recording, it starts writing the file immediately, ( I have interupted recordings seconds after starting to find that I had seconds of music on the disc- ruining the disc, of course....) and when I finish a disc it spends about three minutes writing unknown info to the disc. Check out their website for more info. > I agree, unless you are going to be burning a lot of CDs on a regular > basis, e.g., as trades. Personally, I just set it going and leave it on > its merry way, and come back later when the CD is "cooked." :-) If I am recording whole disc images, I just press record and go out or to bed, or maybe lunch. I mean, I can't see needing more speed unless I were to go beyond trading, like maybe as far as 'piracy.' It's only slightly annoying when live track for track recording. rj From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Sat Sep 19 00:58:11 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 00:58:11 -0400 Subject: HW: News from Brian Tawn Message-ID: Andreas wrote: > > Here are the news from Brian4s HW feedback newsletter: > > 1.)A new HW album called "Hawkwind in your area" will be released by Griffin > Records > on Nov. 1st. Tracks included thereon: > - Brainstorm/In your area > - Alchemy > - Love in space/Rat race Rat Race would be Ron's "they say there's life out there somewhere in the galaxy" bit, but that's only MY guess. > - Aerospaceage inferno > - Fantasy Your Desi-i-i-ire..... > - Prairie > - Diana Park > - Into the realms of Luxotica > - Earth breath > and, according to Brock, "1st landing on Medusa" ALL GREEK..... > That4s the most important news in this newsletter. Just thought you4d like to > know this. Thank you. RJ > Andreas From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Sat Sep 19 03:53:32 1998 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 01:53:32 -0600 Subject: Ledge of Darkness???? Message-ID: Hi all! What's "Ledge of Darkness"? Any idea? I'm not familiar with that. I presume it's a book (or series of books), but I've never heard of it before. Also-noting here that obviously I didn't pay attention when this came up before-what is Hw's "Aliens" CD?? Is it a re-issue of "Alien4? . Saw a listing at my favorite cd store-and I'm curious (again! ) :) Thanx for any help in advance!! Rock on! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool Got plenty of goodies for you guys. First come first serve. E-mail if interested. _LuKe_ (Church Of The Cult, french FC) -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: STOCK.TXT URL: From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Sep 19 08:29:43 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 13:29:43 +0100 Subject: OFF: Comebacks Message-ID: I know a bunch of people who saw Alice Cooper in London a year or so ago and they were totally blown away by the show! Apparently, he's quite good these days ... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sat Sep 19 12:46:25 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 12:46:25 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: Advice wanted: PC CD Writers. In-Reply-To: <36033924.40E2BCA7@blackboard.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 19 Sep 1998, sprawl wrote: => Paul Mather wrote: => > With the caveat that multi-session audio CDs will only play all the => > sessions in multi-session CD-ROM drives, i.e., only the first session => > will play in standard consumer CD players. (I have a Peter Green era => > Fleetwood Mac CD I made, which I later added some Peter Green material => > to later, as a second session on the disc. => => I'm sure that is true to your experience, but not with the one I have. => Only the HiVal _PLUS_ software allows this. I have tested it, and all => tracks read true, no matter what I play it on. That is the value of => writing the Contents at the _end_ of the session. I know this is true, => because when I begin recording, it starts writing the file immediately, => ( I have interupted recordings seconds after starting to find that I had => seconds of music on the disc- ruining the disc, of course....) => and when I finish a disc it spends about three minutes writing unknown => info to the disc. Check out their website for more info. That three minutes at the end is known as "finalising," and is the part of the writing process where the session "lead out" is written and the session is closed. For disc-at-once recordings, it is also when the disc is closed. (Also, it is where the CD-R drive is emptying its buffer cache, which is why your PC "finishes" writing before the CD-R drive does.) The CD-DA "red book" standard was designed before the days of multi-session CD-ROMs (a need ushered in by Photo CD). One of the things it dictates is that the TOC begin at the start of the disc, in a fixed place, so that even relatively dumb consumer CD hardware can locate it with a minimum of fuss and time spent seeking through the disc contents. Since each session gets its own TOC, in consumer (not computer) CD players, they'll only see the first session. I know this is definitely the case with my CD players (but not the computer CD-ROM drives I use to play audio CDs, which are more "enlightened" about multi-session formats). Maybe newer CD players can understand multi-session discs just fine, but I know that according to the CD-DA "red book" industry standard *they don't have to*, and, like I said, mine don't. It's not a matter of what software you use. (Read the standard if you don't believe me.:) => If I am recording whole disc images, I just press record and go out or => to bed, or maybe lunch. I mean, I can't see needing more speed unless => I were to go beyond trading, like maybe as far as 'piracy.' It's only => slightly annoying when live track for track recording. It's not really an issue of piracy. I got a Gov't Mule CD-R from someone recently as part of a B&P offer he was running. He took over forty people on the offer, which amounted to burning a lot of CDs in a short time. One of the stipulations he made about getting aboard the deal was that you had to send a blank capable of burning at quad speed (minimum). I can understand that when you're burning over forty CDs, you (and your recipients) appreciate all the speed you can get. That guy does a LOT of (legitimate) trading, and so quad-speed burning is very useful for him. Besides, if you were a pirate, you'd no doubt invest in an autoloader, so you didn't have to be on hand to load the blanks manually. Cheers, Paul. obCD-R: Gov't Mule, _Dancing Across the Water_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sat Sep 19 15:05:38 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 20:05:38 +0100 Subject: Ledge of Darkness???? In-Reply-To: Cliff and Pam Wheaton's message of Sat, 19 Sep 1998 01:53:32 -0600 Message-ID: Cliff and Pam Wheaton writes: > Hi all! > What's "Ledge of Darkness"? Any idea? I'm not familiar with that. I > presume > it's a book (or series of books), but I've never heard of it before. Long story! Started out as the third book of a concept trilogy that began with "Time of the Hawklords" and "Queen of Deleria". It was never completed in book form by the original author (mercifully, some would say - and I include myself) however a graphic novel with that title compiled by Bob Walker was issued with the "Hawkwind - 25 years on" CD box set wherein Hawkwind disappear and Nik Turner, buys a book of arcane knowledge in Edinburgh after playing a gig up here (the artist depicts it as raining - why is that?) to assist with their reappearance. Back in the 80s Hawkwind were talking about doing a stage show with a Ledge of Darkness format but it never happened and I guess the idea never entirely went away. > Also-noting here that obviously I didn't pay attention when this came up > before-what is Hw's "Aliens" CD?? Is it a re-issue of "Alien4? . Saw a > listing at my favorite cd store-and I'm curious (again! ) :) Can you give a track listing for this? Folk keep noticing the title and the assumption so far (I think) is that it's a mis-titling for Alien4 but if you could list the tracks that would confirm it one way or another. > Thanx for any help in advance!! > Rock on! cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Sat Sep 19 16:30:35 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 15:30:35 -0500 Subject: OFF:Web page favour Message-ID: Stuart A Hamilton wrote: > Could someone do me a favour and check out one of the pages on my web site. > I've decided to put some cover scans on my Hawkwind pages, but I've just > uploaded a file from my mono laptop(!) and can't tell what it look likes. > > Any help appreciated. > > Page is at http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/251.html > > Regards, > > Z > ===================================== > ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER > > http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com > > PO Box 13499, Edinburgh, EH6 8YL, UK > > Phone 0966-389732, Fax 0131-467-1827 > e-mail zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com > ===================================== Well it looks all right, picture quality is fine, but it's leaning to the right a few degrees. From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Sat Sep 19 17:34:50 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 16:34:50 -0500 Subject: OFF: Comebacks Message-ID: > and I have almost no fear when purchase > music from a long-dead rock band. > > Just some random thoughts, comment if you care. > > -- Nick Ya it's too bad about the fact that allot of great bands don't get the recognition that they deserve, and that most of the publics "recognition" is wasted on allot less interesting bands, due to my current age of 23 years I have unfortunately never seen BOC with Albert or Joe, the five guitars, the huge Godzilla during the ETL tour, the awesome laser show, Eric riding a Harley on stage, Albert singing Cities from behind his kit, and the list goes on and on. But then again the current line-up is awesome, it's cool the way you can, when they play a bar, get right up front within 10 feet of the band!!! Ive seen allot of large stadium bands live but the BOC musically blows most of these groups away. As far as these bands being long dead rock bands, I prefer to look at it in the way of time weeding out the crap, most people I talk to that say there BOC fans, or Hawkwind fans, or Grateful Dead fans are usually people that own every album and are thoroughly into said bands, there the fans that count. Later dude. . . From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Sat Sep 19 17:41:02 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 16:41:02 -0500 Subject: BOC: Birdman again Message-ID: John A Swartz wrote: > Thanks to Doug, Andy, and Laj for the recent info on these Birdman > covers. I will update the BOC FAQ sometime in the next 4 months or > so with this (and much more) info - if your names don't already appear > in the credits listing, I will add them. > > Thanks again, > > John Cool John, I have a reference that doesn't appear in the fact. About a month ago, before going to work, I was surfing the tube when I saw the beginning of this afternoon week day kids show called Big Bad Beetle Borgs, it seems to be a Power Rangers clone. Both BBBB and PR don't seem to have any redeeming qualities though but the episode was titled "Don't fear the Reaper", that's gotta be a reference. From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sat Sep 19 20:00:19 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 01:00:19 +0100 Subject: HW: Inner City Unit: Pass Out Message-ID: Dunno if anyone is looking for this piece of 12" vinyl but I've seen a copy of ICU's "Pass Out" for sale at 12.00 UK pounds. So if you want it, let me know and I'll go and pick it up. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Sat Sep 19 20:21:22 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 20:21:22 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: Advice wanted: PC CD Writers. Message-ID: Well, Paul, You are obviously better versed in cd writing than I. And I found your input useful. But for whatever reason this one works. I can reboot between sessions, and my Phillips ESP25 discman sees all tracks. One thing I did notice, was that the software writes HUGE tempfiles that you cannot delete until you finalise the cd. I mean, I can DO it, but not without "breaking the rules." =) Anyway, I am very happy with the device, and tho' I cannot offer any comparison, I say it is a great value for the $$. BTW- It's internal IDE, too! RJ From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sun Sep 20 01:54:45 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 01:54:45 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: Advice wanted: PC CD Writers. In-Reply-To: <36044A82.1FCA310@blackboard.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 19 Sep 1998, sprawl wrote: => You are obviously better versed in cd writing than I. And I found your => input useful. But for whatever reason this one works. I can reboot => between sessions, and my Phillips ESP25 discman sees all tracks. One => thing I did notice, was that the software writes HUGE tempfiles that => you cannot delete until you finalise the cd. I mean, I can DO it, but => not without "breaking the rules." =) => => Anyway, I am very happy with the device, and tho' I cannot offer any => comparison, I say it is a great value for the $$. => => BTW- It's internal IDE, too! Sounds like you have a winner, there. And, you bring up a good point in that you need a reasonable amount of spare disc space when mastering CDs. I'd bank on about ~700MB for a full CD made from WAV files, and then more, depending upon how your software writes the disc. (Rule of thumb is ~10MB/minute of CD audio.) Fortunately, the price of storage is tumbling nowadays, and so 1GB+ drives are going for a song. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Fleetwood Mac, _English Rose_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Sun Sep 20 02:29:20 1998 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 00:29:20 -0600 Subject: Ledge of Darkness???? Message-ID: Hi again all!Neat info snipped:) Thank you, Jill! I appreciate it-and my friend that asked me the same thing will appreciate it as well > > > Can you give a track listing for this? Folk keep noticing the title > and the assumption so far (I think) is that it's a mis-titling for > Alien4 but if you could list the tracks that would confirm it one way or > another. Here's what my bud told me: "Aliens" is a four track EP consisting of - I believe - a remix of one or two tracks from Alien4 and a couple of live cuts. I can't remember off the top of my head (or dredge it up from the bottom half either) what exactly the tracks are, exept for Sputnik Sam (one of the live ones)." I guess it isn't a misnamed Alien 4, and of course, I asked everyone at once:) I thank you muchly for the info:) Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool >> Can you give a track listing for this? Folk keep noticing the title >> and the assumption so far (I think) is that it's a mis-titling for >> Alien4 but if you could list the tracks that would confirm it one way or >> another. > >Here's what my bud told me: > >"Aliens" is a four track EP consisting of - I believe - a remix of one >or two tracks from Alien4 and a couple of live cuts. I can't remember >off the top of my head (or dredge it up from the bottom half either) what >exactly the tracks are, exept for Sputnik Sam (one of the live ones)." > >I guess it isn't a misnamed Alien 4, and of course, I asked everyone at >once:) > >I thank you muchly for the info:) >Pam can be a variant of the Area S4 ep (from 1995) to me: tracklist vinyl ep: Alien (I Am) - the Rosewell edit Sputnik Stan Death Trap Wastelands Are You Losing Your Mind? the digipak cd ep is the same, with the exeptions of just the Sputnik Stan track. all tracks are directly taken from the Alien 4 album, exept the slight edit of Alien (I Am). no written info of "live cuts" on my copies. eagerly await more Aliens info... -joe From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Sep 20 03:27:14 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (zeitgeist-scot) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 08:27:14 +0100 Subject: OFF:Web page favour In-Reply-To: <3604146B.DF0F118C@dlcwest.com> Message-ID: Thanks very much. I've just got a hold of scanner and it's also the first time I've ftp'd graphics. I'll take more care with my scanner and get to work on the covers. Thanks again, Regards, Stuart >> At 15:30 19/09/1998 -0500, you wrote: >Stuart A Hamilton wrote: >> >> Page is at http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/251.html >> >> Regards, >> >> Z > > Well it looks all right, picture quality is fine, but it's leaning to the >right a few degrees. > ===================================== ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com PO Box 13499, Edinburgh, EH6 8YL, UK Phone 0966-389732, Fax 0131-467-1827 e-mail zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com ===================================== From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Sun Sep 20 17:47:39 1998 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:47:39 +0100 Subject: OFF: Comebacks Message-ID: Subject: Re: OFF: Comebacks > I know a bunch of people who saw Alice Cooper in London a >year or so ago and they were totally blown away by the show! >Apparently, he's quite good these days ... I just have to jump in here. I`ve seen Alice some 30 times now and IMHO the second night at the Astoria this year was THE best show I have ever seen by anyone, ever. Ok, I`m a bit biased(see url below) but I have seen hundreds of bands over the last 18 years or so and seldom seen anything close to as good or an audience so into the show. I was front stage center against the barrier with the guy who brought the snake for Alice to use on stage (all the way from scotland!) IMHO Alice is currently playing the shows of his carreer and would recommend them to anyone. Even though all that`s left of this tour is a few shows in October :( Also, Alice is about to hit the studio for a new studio album, and has been working on a album with oscar winner Alan Menkin (think the names right) which is supposed to be excellent though details are sketchy. It`s a concept album based on the Seven Deadly Sins with Menkin doing the music and Alice all the lyrics and vocals. There is also a tribute album coming out in a couple of month put togather by Bob Kulick which features, among others Roger Daltrey, Ronnie James Dio, Def Leppard, Jack Bruce, Dave Mustaine. Si ----- "I`ve got 'some' answers to 'most' of your questions!" The Alice Cooper Trivia File - http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/intro.html My Tubes Page - http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/7998/ From MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Sep 21 03:59:20 1998 From: MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark P Lee) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:59:20 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 19 Sep 1998 to 20 Sep 1998 In-Reply-To: <199809200900.FAA25409@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Following the post of Bedouin tour dates for UK 9 Fat Sams, Mansfield 01623 423555 This gig (along with the Sky Club in Nottingham) has been cancelled, this has a lot to do with the guy who organised the dates with the band...... and was confirmed by Alan at the gig on Fri 18th, (was that you Andy !!!!) For those who are interested; Alan, Danny and Sean arrived just as we finished clearing up following a long afternoon party by a fairly large crowd of indian (asian) students, what a f*****g mess. Al's first comment was "no keyboards tonight then" owing to restricted space on stage, first comment from Danny concerned the distinct lack of headroom also (approx 6'4"), still the gear was humped and plugged and preparations began. Following the set by support band band Dr Hasbeen the boys took the stage, Al opened by pointing out the lack of keyboards (bit obvious) but later in the evening we heard a couple of people niggling that the set wasn't "spacey" enough or "Hawkwindy" enough... I don't beleive they were serious criticisms as everybody seemed to have a great time, as far as I was concerned it was excellent hear the bass man boom. I'll sort out a track by track if anybody wants it (?Andy). I'm no serious critic so if you were there you could probably do a better job than me, I haven't mentioned the support much coz I'm the backing vox geezer so I refuse to criticise, however:- The problem with the bloody bass was the guy on the sound desk, I spent 15 minutes on hands and knees in cable spaghetti before he realised HE had unplugged it ! Our bassist was well unchuffed. Nuff said. 21 Boardwalk, Sheffield 0114 2798989 See you there. 12 Adelphi, Preston 01772 897961 Harvey Bainbridge is the support at Preston Can anyone confirm this closer to the date, one of my most played CD's is "Interstellar Chaos", what a gig that should be. Later, Mark. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please reply to mark at esparto.demon.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Sep 21 00:29:38 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 04:29:38 +0000 Subject: OFF: Comebacks Message-ID: > > I know a bunch of people who saw Alice Cooper in London a > >year or so ago and they were totally blown away by the show! > >Apparently, he's quite good these days ... Don't his shows have some kind of side-show/carnival theme, or was that just in support of "Last Temptation"? I must say, although I've only had one opportunity to see Alice live, he, like BOC, is one of the few I could literally see over and over again. -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Sep 21 00:29:38 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 04:29:38 +0000 Subject: OFF: Comebacks Message-ID: > that was balanced by the release of Open Your Eyes, proving that even without > Trevor Rabin they can produce lots of pop mush if they so choose... > > SET Yeah...I bought Open Your Eyes when it came out...didn't even get a complete spin. I'll admit it doesn't sound much like I gave it a fair shake, but I've heard this kinda crap from them too much recently. Anyway, that very night I was going out with some old friends, one of them a MAJOR Yes fan who hadn't gotten around to buying the new one yet, so thankfully I recouped my investment without even having to take a bath at a used CD store. It's too bad the ABW&H thing didn't work out. I thought they were gonna be the Yes of the future. Saw them in concert once and they blew me away! They had that bald guy on base...I think he was a King Crimson alum...I could not believe the way this dude played! -- Nick From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Sep 21 04:48:34 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (zeitgeist-scot) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:48:34 +0100 Subject: OFF: DEEP PURPLE WIN95 THEME Message-ID: I know there's a few Purple fans out there, and what with the forthcoming tour I've dug out my Deep Purple Win95 theme. It's got the usual sounds, wallpaper, icons etc. A bit sad, but there you go. If anyone wants a (free) copy e-mail privately as it's a 720kb zip file. An address would be handy and I'll send you a disk rather than clog up bandwith. Z NP Motorhead - Ace Of Spades (remasters) ===================================== ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com PO Box 13499, Edinburgh, EH6 8YL, UK Phone 0966-389732, Fax 0131-467-1827 e-mail zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com ===================================== From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Mon Sep 21 04:25:00 1998 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:25:00 GMT Subject: HW: Atomhenge/Quark N Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1998-09-21 09:25 >But Doug, how can you live with those track silences on Atomhenge?? :) >Christian I agree they are a nuisance but I suppose they must have been done for a reason. Having bought the CD, I now have to dump it to minidisc and edit the blanks out. Mark From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Sep 21 01:19:14 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 05:19:14 +0000 Subject: BOC: X-Ray Eyes Message-ID: X - The Man with the X-Ray Eyes, starring Ray Milland, is on the American Movie Classics channel sometime this week. I just glanced over it in passing, so I'm not sure of the day and time. As those annoying sports announcers always say, "Check your local listings". -- Nick From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Mon Sep 21 05:27:15 1998 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:27:15 +0100 Subject: OFF: Comebacks Message-ID: Subject: Re: OFF: Comebacks >Don't his shows have some kind of side-show/carnival theme, or was >that just in support of "Last Temptation"? It did have a sideshow/carnival theme after the track on TLT. And while it was in some respects promoting the Last Temptation, it was actually a continuation of last years tour supporting the live `a fistful of Alice` album. Hitting cities that were missed last year and major Alice supporting cities (hence the return to London). Si ----- "I`ve got 'some' answers to 'most' of your questions!" The Alice Cooper Trivia File - http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/intro.html My Tubes Page - http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/7998/ From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Mon Sep 21 03:47:50 1998 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:47:50 +0200 Subject: HW:Cd's wanted Message-ID: Hej, Can anyone help me to find the following cd's: Bob Calvert- Hype - Test Tube Conceived - Freq Revisited - Blueprints from the Cellar Dave Brock- agents of Chaos/Earthed to the Ground Monster Magnet- Cage around the Sun CD single - Evil Cd single - Negasonic Teenage Warhead CD Single (UK disc 2 of 2 CD set) (w/ Eclispe this, 3rd Alt (edit), Look to your ORb (long) New or Used is fine with me.. Thanks for the help.. scott ObCs- Dark Sun- Demo 1998 3tk finland R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 38 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM Mon Sep 21 07:36:16 1998 From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (BL Young) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 04:36:16 -0700 Subject: HW: CD's wanted also Message-ID: I also *NEED* the Dave Brock "Earthed to the Ground/Agents of Chaos", new or used, and I'd pay a sum to get it, too. And, if it's way out of print, and if it's not going back in print soon, can anybody make a CD-r for me? I know, it's terrible, but I *WILL* buy the cd legitimately if it ever becomes available, and if anybody can give me Dave Brock's address, I'll send him $5 (canadian) just for getting a pirate of his cd. So I'll pay the pirater costs and I'll pay Dave, too. (Any CD-r would need a nice color scan of the covers and inserts, please.) And I did find a couple listings for the Robert Calvert "Hype" wanted below, but it's got the wrong cover (not the naked breasts anyways). Robert Calvert Hype 13.47 emusic.com 13.49 massmusic.com Not including shipping. I have ordered from massmusic and had great, super-fast results. Not sure about emusic, though. Thanks, Bryan Scott Heller pontificated thusly: > Hej, > > Can anyone help me to find the following cd's: > > Bob Calvert- Hype > - Test Tube Conceived > - Freq Revisited > - Blueprints from the Cellar > > Dave Brock- agents of Chaos/Earthed to the Ground > > Monster Magnet- Cage around the Sun CD single > - Evil Cd single > - Negasonic Teenage Warhead CD Single (UK disc 2 of 2 CD set) > (w/ Eclispe this, 3rd Alt (edit), Look to your ORb (long) > > > New or Used is fine with me.. Thanks for the help.. > > scott > > ObCs- Dark Sun- Demo 1998 3tk finland > -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Young CANADA blyoung AT bigfoot DOT com ----------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/Area51/7118 SF Reading Club http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 Hawkwind http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/6878 IFHL-FLA ----------------------------------------------------------- "20 minutes goes by pretty fast when you're on a breakaway" From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Sep 21 07:13:46 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:13:46 +0100 Subject: OFF: Comebacks In-Reply-To: <01bde542$056131e0$b05abcc3@pc> Message-ID: Sadly, one star from the 70's who won't be making a comeback is the late Rory Gallagher. However, a selection of his albums have just been re-released in splendid remastered form, and if you shop around you can find them at about ?6.99. So anyone who knows his work will want to pick up at least some of these, and even if you've never even heard of him, go on, punt the price of a round on _Photo-Finish_ or _Irish Tour_! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Sep 21 07:26:00 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 07:26:00 EDT Subject: OFF: Comebacks In-Reply-To: <199809210828.EAA00747@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: > From: "" > > > I know a bunch of people who saw Alice Cooper in London a > > >year or so ago and they were totally blown away by the show! > > >Apparently, he's quite good these days ... > > > Don't his shows have some kind of side-show/carnival theme, or was > that just in support of "Last Temptation"? > > I must say, although I've only had one opportunity to see Alice live, > he, like BOC, is one of the few I could literally see over and over > again. > > -- Nick I saw AC [howls, same initials as my wife!] around 1990 I guess, as part of Operation Rock and Roll, along with Motorhead and Judas Priest headlining. I was prepared for AC to be horrible. This would have been when Hey Stoopid was released. Anyway, AC rocked the house. He had a great bunch of young turks backing him up, and everything sounded great. Swept up in a nostalgic moment? Possibly, though I'm not really given to that despite my advanced age. Drunk out of my ass? Definitely, but that wouldn't make me like a band that sucked. For the record, Motorhead would have stolen the show exc. that JP were really hot that night. Was that JP's last tour with Rob? theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Sep 21 07:29:38 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 07:29:38 EDT Subject: OFF: Comebacks In-Reply-To: <199809210828.EAA00744@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: > From: "" > It's too bad the ABW&H thing didn't work out. I thought they were > gonna be the Yes of the future. Saw them in concert once and they > blew me away! They had that bald guy on base...I think he was a King > Crimson alum...I could not believe the way this dude played! > > -- Nick Would that be Tony Levin? He's a kickass bassist and he also plays a Chapman Stick. Did he use one when you saw them? Tony made a hot record last year with Steve Stevens and Terry Bozio. I haven't gotten around to picking it up but I hear it smokes... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Sep 21 08:11:08 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:11:08 EDT Subject: OFF: Comebacks In-Reply-To: <36042379.7265FFD0@dlcwest.com> Message-ID: > From: Laj Waldner > Ya it's too bad about the fact that allot of great bands don't get the > recognition that they deserve, and that most of the publics "recognition" is > wasted on allot less interesting bands, due to my current age of 23 years I have > unfortunately never seen BOC with Albert or Joe, the five guitars, the huge > Godzilla during the ETL tour, the awesome laser show, Eric riding a Harley on > stage, Albert singing Cities from behind his kit, and the list goes on and on. > But then again the current line-up is awesome, it's cool the way you can, when > they play a bar, get right up front within 10 feet of the band!!! Ive seen allot > of large stadium bands live but the BOC musically blows most of these groups > away. As far as these bands being long dead rock bands, I prefer to look at it in > the way of time weeding out the crap, most people I talk to that say there BOC > fans, or Hawkwind fans, or Grateful Dead fans are usually people that own every > album and are thoroughly into said bands, there the fans that count. > WEll the current lineup is very good indeed. Danny's a great replacement for Joe, though he doesn't contribute songwriting the way Joe did. Bobby's a great drummer in his own right, but it's hard comparing anyone to Al, as Al's style is one in a million. And of course, Al's songwriting puts him at another level altogether. EB's voice has lost a bit of it's edge, but since HF, he's sounded great live. BD--well, he's at an all-time high in his gtr playing. If you haven't seen them recently, Buck will just knock you over with his playing. It's hard to imagine that the guy has somehow gotten better over the years, but trust me he has. Most musicians kind of hit a peak early in their careers, and then just kind of coast. The greatest ones, like BD Jeff Beck and tiny handful of others, somehow can keep pushing things to another level. Buck is doing that now. Damn! I'm psyched--be seeing them in less than 3 weeks! BTW, you're right, seeing them up close is the greatest, but I still miss the laser show! theo From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Sep 21 04:30:15 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:30:15 +0000 Subject: OFF: Comebacks Message-ID: > Would that be Tony Levin? He's a kickass bassist and he also plays a > Chapman Stick. Did he use one when you saw them? Tony made a hot > record last year with Steve Stevens and Terry Bozio. I haven't > gotten around to picking it up but I hear it smokes... > > theo I think it was Tony Levin...and I just realized that I spelled it "base" instead of "bass". Duh. Anyway, I don't know what they're called, but he had these metal extension-type things on the fingers of his right hand, looked kinda like Freddy Kreuger...and instead of plucking or picking, he was basically tapping on the strings with them. I'd never seen anything like it before, and it was a really neat playing style sound-wise. -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Sep 21 04:30:15 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:30:15 +0000 Subject: OFF: Comebacks Message-ID: > I saw AC [howls, same initials as my wife!] around 1990 I guess, as > part of Operation Rock and Roll, along with Motorhead and Judas > Priest headlining. I was prepared for AC to be horrible. This would > have been when Hey Stoopid was released. Anyway, AC rocked the > house. He had a great bunch of young turks backing him up, and > everything sounded great. Swept up in a nostalgic moment? Possibly, > though I'm not really given to that despite my advanced age. Drunk > out of my ass? Definitely, but that wouldn't make me like a band > that sucked. For the record, Motorhead would have stolen the show > exc. that JP were really hot that night. Was that JP's last tour > with Rob? > > theo I was there, too, my friend...Weedsport, right? I was a student at SUNY Cortland at the time! Alice did indeed rock, as did Motorhead. But I must admit, I left about halfway through Priest. I got really sick of all the newer stuff. It just sounded like mindless thrash to me. I really should have stuck around, though, as I'm sure they saved the classics for later in the set. Rob's new band, BTW, is called Two. I heard a remix of one of their songs, called "Hole in the Ground" or "Deep in the Ground" or something like that. Not bad, but it won't set the world on fire. -- Nick From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Sep 21 08:30:00 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:30:00 EDT Subject: OFF: Comebacks In-Reply-To: <000801bde550$e6871a00$9b3f63c3@default> Message-ID: > From: Andy Gilham > Sadly, one star from the 70's who won't be making a comeback is the late > Rory Gallagher. > > However, a selection of his albums have just been re-released in splendid > remastered form, Wow, this is great news. RG was one of the greatest, and a great person as well... and if you shop around you can find them at about ?6.99. > So anyone who knows his work will want to pick up at least some of these, > and even if you've never even heard of him, go on, punt the price of a round > on _Photo-Finish_ or _Irish Tour_! > Oh man, Irish Tour is one of the best. Are Tattoo'd Lady and Blueprint being remastered? Great stuff! theo From nexus at PANIX.COM Mon Sep 21 08:40:33 1998 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:40:33 -0400 Subject: HW: Widowmaker In-Reply-To: <199809211228.IAA03725@junior.srt.net> from "owner-boc-l@LISTSERV.SPC.EDU" at Sep 21, 98 08:30:15 am Message-ID: Well, at least sort of HW, also Mott the Hoople, Uriah Heep and all sorts of other stuff. I found a used Widowmaker CD yesterday, To Late to Cry? Featuring Huw-Lloyd Langton, Ariel Bender, Bob Daisley, and ... damn, two others. Haven't had a chance yet to listen to it. So, this really isn't to say much of anything, other than, I'm psyched to have found it completely by accident. JB From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Sep 21 08:58:47 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:58:47 +0100 Subject: OFF: Comebacks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Wow, this is great news. RG was one of the greatest, and a great > person as well... No arguments here. He's sorely missed. > Oh man, Irish Tour is one of the best. Are Tattoo'd Lady and > Blueprint being remastered? Great stuff! So far, they've done Deuce, Irish Tour, Calling Card, Photo-Finish, and Fresh Evidence. Looks like they've decided to do a representative selection across his career, at least to start with. First time on CD for Photo-Finish, if you can believe that! Several have extra tracks from relevant sessions, usually only dropped in the first place because of the limitations of the LP format. They've all got nice art design, new sleeve notes etc. And a fantastic price! What relation is Donal Gallagher (who writes some sleeve notes)? Brother? - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Mon Sep 21 08:58:31 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:58:31 -0400 Subject: Comebacks Message-ID: Alice Cooper just played the Mohegan Sun Casino in Conn. FREE! Interesting venue, I must say. I never saw so many blue haired old ladies running for the doors when AC started up. From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Sep 21 09:05:15 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (zeitgeist-scot) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:05:15 +0100 Subject: OFF: Comebacks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: His entire catalogue is getting the remaster business, His brother has been co-ordinating the whole thing and the Rory revival is underway (too late as usual). Even the taste stuff is in the pipeline. Mojo magazine has a lengthy feature this month and UK Arena have just shown one of his late seventies In Concert shows (which was superb). And don't forget if yo're ever in Paris to visit the Rue de Rory Gallagher (I kid you not). Z NP Rory G - Calling Carf At 08:30 21/09/1998 EDT, you wrote: >> From: Andy Gilham > >> Sadly, one star from the 70's who won't be making a comeback is the late >> Rory Gallagher. >> >> However, a selection of his albums have just been re-released in splendid >> remastered form, > >Wow, this is great news. RG was one of the greatest, and a great >person as well... > > > and if you shop around you can find them at about ?6.99. >> So anyone who knows his work will want to pick up at least some of these, >> and even if you've never even heard of him, go on, punt the price of a round >> on _Photo-Finish_ or _Irish Tour_! >> >Oh man, Irish Tour is one of the best. Are Tattoo'd Lady and >Blueprint being remastered? Great stuff! > >theo > ===================================== ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com PO Box 13499, Edinburgh, EH6 8YL, UK Phone 0966-389732, Fax 0131-467-1827 e-mail zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com ===================================== From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Sep 21 09:07:25 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (zeitgeist-scot) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:07:25 +0100 Subject: OFF: Comebacks In-Reply-To: <000901bde55f$9215d4c0$9b3f63c3@default> Message-ID: Donal was his brother, manager from the mid-70's onwards and is the main push behind the whole reissue programme. Z At 13:58 21/09/1998 +0100, you wrote: > >What relation is Donal Gallagher (who writes some sleeve notes)? Brother? > >- Andy > >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > ===================================== ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com PO Box 13499, Edinburgh, EH6 8YL, UK Phone 0966-389732, Fax 0131-467-1827 e-mail zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com ===================================== From arjanh at CS.VU.NL Mon Sep 21 09:11:47 1998 From: arjanh at CS.VU.NL (Hulsebos A) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:11:47 +0200 Subject: OFF: Comebacks In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham "Re: OFF: Comebacks" (Sep 21, 1:58pm) Message-ID: On Sep 21, 1:58pm, Andy Gilham wrote: >So far, they've done Deuce, Irish Tour, Calling Card, Photo-Finish, and >Fresh Evidence. Looks like they've decided to do a representative selection >across his career, at least to start with. First time on CD for >Photo-Finish, if you can believe that! Thank God for that! >Several have extra tracks from relevant sessions, usually only dropped in >the first place because of the limitations of the LP format. They've all >got nice art design, new sleeve notes etc. And a fantastic price! Yeah!!!!!! >What relation is Donal Gallagher (who writes some sleeve notes)? Brother? Yup. He was also Rory's manager. Arjan H From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Mon Sep 21 09:15:21 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:15:21 +0100 Subject: OFF: Comebacks Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: > Sadly, one star from the 70's who won't be making a comeback is the > late > Rory Gallagher. > > However, a selection of his albums have just been re-released in > splendid > remastered form, and if you shop around you can find them at about > ?6.99. > So anyone who knows his work will want to pick up at least some of > these, > and even if you've never even heard of him, go on, punt the price of a > round > on _Photo-Finish_ or _Irish Tour_! > > - Andy > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; > http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham There's a big Rory Gallagher feature in this month's MOJO magazine if anyone's interested. (Too long to type out - sorry!) Cheers, Rich. From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Mon Sep 21 09:38:36 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:38:36 -0400 Subject: OFF: Comebacks Message-ID: Laj said: >[...]due to my current age of 23 years I have >unfortunately never seen BOC with Albert or Joe, the five guitars, the huge >Godzilla during the ETL tour, the awesome laser show, Eric riding a Harley on >stage, Albert singing Cities from behind his kit, and the list goes on and on. I'm 23 also, but I have seen Albert singing Cities from behind the kit. And Dominance & Submission, and Vera Gemini, and Death Valley Nights (behind a Rik). And even 5 Guitars. I don't know if you live around the east coast of the US, but if you do, make sure you get out and see The Brain Surgeons! >But then again the current line-up is awesome, it's cool the way you can, when >they play a bar, get right up front within 10 feet of the band!!! Ive seen allot >of large stadium bands live but the BOC musically blows most of these groups >away. As far as these bands being long dead rock bands, I prefer to look at it in >the way of time weeding out the crap, most people I talk to that say there BOC >fans, or Hawkwind fans, or Grateful Dead fans are usually people that own every >album and are thoroughly into said bands, there the fans that count. > >Later dude. . . Like Keith Richards always says when he's asked when he'll retire, "You wouldn't ask me that if I were Ray Charles, or Howlin' Wolf..." The best bands can take their fleeting pop success and turn it into long-lasting, cross-generational fan support for as long as they want to continue to entertain. BOC, HW, the Dead, the Stones, and Alice Cooper among others have all managed to make the transition. Their music's definately not "long dead". And if their "pop death" means we can stand close enough to Buck that we could tune his guitar if we wanted, well then all the better! :-) Later, Brian ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html "We are drawing a moustache on the wanted poster of the face of music." -Fierce Wicker ---------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Sep 21 09:40:51 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:40:51 +0100 Subject: HW: Bedouin in the UK Message-ID: Anyone know about how long a set Bedouin is playing? I'm hoping to try and tape the gig in Cambridge, and was wondering how much tape I'd need. One can never have too many recordings of Alan rocking out :) Also, are they still selling than little CD-R of synth stuff? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Mon Sep 21 09:41:54 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:41:54 -0400 Subject: OFF: Comebacks Message-ID: Nick said: >he had these metal extension-type things on the fingers >of his right hand, looked kinda like Freddy Kreuger...and instead of >plucking or picking, he was basically tapping on the strings with >them. "Funk Fingers". I think he invented them. Tony's currently working w/ King Crimson. He'll be on the "Projekct One" CD when it comes out, but he's not on the "Projekct Two" CD which was just Fripp (guitar), Belew (drums), and Trey Gunn (stick). Brian ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html "We are drawing a moustache on the wanted poster of the face of music." -Fierce Wicker ---------- From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Sep 21 10:05:59 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:05:59 EDT Subject: OFF: Comebacks In-Reply-To: <329A5258416CD111928F006008A62C7656268D@bpxsv.156.106.206.in-addr.arpa> Message-ID: > From: brian halligan > > Like Keith Richards always says when he's asked when he'll retire, "You > wouldn't ask me that if I were Ray Charles, or Howlin' Wolf..." The > best bands can take their fleeting pop success and turn it into > long-lasting, cross-generational fan support for as long as they want to > continue to entertain. BOC, HW, the Dead, the Stones, and Alice Cooper > among others have all managed to make the transition. Their music's > definately not "long dead". And if their "pop death" means we can stand > close enough to Buck that we could tune his guitar if we wanted, well > then all the better! :-) > > Later, > Brian You know what you're saying Brian! Have you heard any more about the Rochester gig? theo From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Mon Sep 21 10:26:51 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:26:51 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Rochester gig (was OFF: Comebacks) Message-ID: >Have you heard any more about the >Rochester gig? > >theo I was in Binghamton all weekend, so I don't know if they've started any kind of radio promotion. I'll check the local event mags to see what they have to say about it. From what I've seen so far, Club Avalon doesn't have live bands play often. It's mostly a DJ, dance club. Maybe they figure they've already got the whippersnapers checking it out. Now it's time to go out and grab some geezers. And some junior geezers like myself. ;-) Brian ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html "We are drawing a moustache on the wanted poster of the face of music." -Fierce Wicker ---------- From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Mon Sep 21 10:40:59 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:40:59 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Club Avalon directions Message-ID: I don't know if I posted this already or not. Sorry if I'm just wasting bandwidth here. Club Avalon Village Gate Square 274 N. Goodman St. Rochester, NY (716) 473-7250 Brian ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html "We are drawing a moustache on the wanted poster of the face of music." -Fierce Wicker ---------- From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Sep 21 07:01:28 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:01:28 +0000 Subject: OFF: Comebacks Message-ID: > BTW, you're right, seeing them up close is the greatest, but I still > miss the laser show! > > theo The most interesting thing to me about being more "intimate" with the band in these smaller venues was actually getting to meet them personally one time, and not being able to believe how SHORT they are! I'm only about 5' 11", but I absolutely towered over Eric, Buck and Allen! It's amazing, because even standing front-center, less than five feet away from the band, they all look really tall up on stage. Especially Allen, who has that "gaunt" thing going on. Fun night, BTW. I think it was 1995...tomorrow to the day (I remember cuz it's my birthday!) Allen and Buck were very cool. Eric was having a bit of a "snit". I was told it was because the boys had been traveling like madmen and had about another zillion miles to go THAT NIGHT (They were in and outta town in a day, no hotel room -- the performance was a last-minute add-on to their tour schedule). John O'Reilly was the drummer then, and actually the reason I got back stage. A friend of mine is an old, dear friend of his. Sadly, I don't think he'll ever be back with BOC. He was apparently a bit miffed about not being the HF drummer. I think he felt sort of screwed out of it. Last I heard, he was back with Rainbow. He's the drummer on their "Stranger In Us All" album. His picture is on the back cover. The biggest surprise to me was Danny. Just from watching him onstage, I didn't like him. I don't know what it was, but somehow his presence gave me the impression that he was a jerk. But in person, he was unbelievable! Definitely the most personable of everyone in the band, at least on that particular night, and he acted genuinely humble and appreciative of the fans. I really liked him. Does anyone know how tall Al and Joe are? And did they have to leave the band because they made the others look too short? : ) -- Nick From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Mon Sep 21 11:07:33 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:07:33 -0400 Subject: BOC: Club Avalon directions Message-ID: Oops. Wrong prefix. Here we go... >I don't know if I posted this already or not. Sorry if I'm just wasting >bandwidth here. > >Club Avalon >Village Gate Square >274 N. Goodman St. >Rochester, NY >(716) 473-7250 > >Brian > >---------- >Brian Halligan >mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com >http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html > >"We are drawing a moustache on the wanted poster of the face of music." >-Fierce Wicker >---------- From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Sep 21 11:08:49 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:08:49 EDT Subject: OFF: Comebacks In-Reply-To: <199809211459.KAA06561@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: > From: "" > Does anyone know how tall Al and Joe are? And did they have to leave > the band because they made the others look too short? : ) > Al's not any taller than BD. Joe's a bit taller but I wouldn't say over 6 foot. Allen looks taller due to being so thin... theo From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Sep 21 11:28:46 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:28:46 +0100 Subject: OFF: Comebacks In-Reply-To: <199809211459.KAA06561@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: > Does anyone know how tall Al and Joe are? And did they have to leave > the band because they made the others look too short? : ) No, but I think that was part of the problem with Turner... (going HW for a mo). In the early 80's, you could always tell if Nik was going to show up if there was a mike stand about a foot taller than all the others. :) (There's your other BOC/HW link, btw.) I dunno, maybe Lemmy got that face-tilted-up singing style of his from always using Turner's mike! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Sep 21 11:33:03 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:33:03 EDT Subject: BRAIN: Club Avalon directions In-Reply-To: <329A5258416CD111928F006008A62C76562696@bpxsv.156.106.206.in-addr.arpa> Message-ID: > From: brian halligan > I don't know if I posted this already or not. Sorry if I'm just wasting > bandwidth here. > > Club Avalon > Village Gate Square > 274 N. Goodman St. > Rochester, NY > (716) 473-7250 > > Brian > I did a map search for the address. It says take 490 from the thruway to rte 96. Then left [west?] on 96 and it intersects Goodman. Sound right to you? theo From mordru at FLITE.NET Mon Sep 21 11:54:26 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:54:26 -0400 Subject: OFF: Comebacks Message-ID: > BTW, you're right, seeing them up close is the greatest, but I still > miss the laser show! > At the HOB show in Orlando, Eric used a laser pointer... -AAA From StevenTice at AOL.COM Mon Sep 21 12:36:47 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:36:47 EDT Subject: Bass virtuosity... Message-ID: In a message dated 98-09-21 07:32:58 EDT, you write: << Would that be Tony Levin? He's a kickass bassist and he also plays a Chapman Stick. Did he use one when you saw them? Tony made a hot record last year with Steve Stevens and Terry Bozio. I haven't gotten around to picking it up but I hear it smokes... >> Tony is a terrific bassist, I'll have to find that album! One thing I enjoyed about ABWH was the fact that they treated Tony as an equal even though they couldn't include him in the name...I consider Tony to have been the Yes bassist for awhile, since ABWH basically WAS Yes. I have to say, however, that amazing as Tony is, I've since encountered a bassist who could blow him away, and that's something I never thought I'd say! I'm referring to Victor Wooten of Bela Fleck and the Flecktones. He's the fastest bassist I've ever heard, and fond of playing exceedingly intricate and complex bass lines, often playing two or three separate bass lines simultaneously...plus he needs no special instruments or tools (like the Stick or those finger gizmos), he does it all on a normal bass! I would advise any bass fans to check him out! SET P.S. And if you know of any other bassists operating at that level, please let me know...I'd love to hear them! :-) From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Sep 21 13:17:14 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:17:14 -0400 Subject: HW: Atomhenge/Quark N In-Reply-To: <1784@ems.rail.co.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, Mark Edmonds wrote: => From: Mark Edmonds => Date: 1998-09-21 09:25 => => >But Doug, how can you live with those track silences on Atomhenge?? :) => => >Christian => => I agree they are a nuisance but I suppose they must have been done for a => reason. Having bought the CD, I now have to dump it to minidisc and edit the => blanks out. Maybe the reason was that the person didn't know any better? ;-) The annoying (and baffling) thing is, that those silences are *part of the track*, and not the usual two second "pre-gap" between tracks. That means to make a "seamless" _Atomhenge 76_ you need to grab the audio, then remove the last two seconds of digital silence of each track. *But*, you have to make sure you still leave the number of samples in the track to round out to an even sector size, otherwise when you write back the modified tracks to disc, you run the risk of introducing tiny gaps of silence due to zero samples used to pad out odd-length end sectors. (I.e., make sure you use a CD-aware audio editing package, for flawless results.) Does anyone know if _A Quark Night in Paris_ is similarly brain-damaged? Cheers, Paul. obCD: Dave Brock, _Earthed to the Ground/Agents of Chaos_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Sep 21 13:20:15 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:20:15 EDT Subject: Bass virtuosity... In-Reply-To: <4abfde82.3606809f@aol.com> Message-ID: > From: Steven Tice > Tony is a terrific bassist, I'll have to find that album! One thing I enjoyed > about ABWH was the fact that they treated Tony as an equal even though they > couldn't include him in the name...I consider Tony to have been the Yes > bassist for awhile, since ABWH basically WAS Yes. > > I have to say, however, that amazing as Tony is, I've since encountered a > bassist who could blow him away, and that's something I never thought I'd say! > I'm referring to Victor Wooten of Bela Fleck and the Flecktones. He's the > fastest bassist I've ever heard, and fond of playing exceedingly intricate and > complex bass lines, often playing two or three separate bass lines > simultaneously...plus he needs no special instruments or tools (like the Stick > or those finger gizmos), he does it all on a normal bass! I would advise any > bass fans to check him out! > > SET > > P.S. And if you know of any other bassists operating at that level, please let > me know...I'd love to hear them! :-) okay, here's one: Otiel Burbridge, currently slappin' with the Allman Bros. But to hear Otiel at his best, grab any album by the Aquarium Rescue Unit, his previous band. He really goes for it on those albums wheras his work in ABB is more rhythm-section oriented. BTW, the guitarist in ARU, Jimmy Herring can dust just about any 6-stringer out there. Think Vai/Satriani chops, but more in a fusion vein. Kind of like John McLaughlin meets Jeff Beck. Jimmy's really that good! If you want to go back a ways on bass, my favorite has always been Tim Bogert. He's one of the godfathers of the current lead bass style. He did one album with Jeff Beck: Beck, Bogert and Appice, and he played with Cactus and Vanilla Fudge before that. Tim is absolutely amazing. And of course, Billy Sheehan from just up the road in Buffalo. I saw him play a hundred bar gigs with his old band Talas before he hit it big. There's nothing Billy can't do on a bass, and he's a really cool person besides... theo theo From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Sep 21 13:23:24 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:23:24 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: Bedouin gig Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 21, 1998 8:59 am +0100 "Mark P Lee" wrote: > Al opened by pointing out the lack of > keyboards (bit obvious) but later in the evening we heard a > couple of people niggling that the set wasn't "spacey" > enough or "Hawkwindy" enough... I don't beleive they were > serious criticisms as everybody seemed to have a great > time, as far as I was concerned it was excellent hear > the bass man boom. Aye aye. Call me a disgusting purist, but I reckon if Alan wants synths he should get a synth player! :) I distrust music coming from nowhere, and I think its more fun if he keeps on bassing, rather than stopping to work the synths every so often. Mind you, when Pseudo Sun played J?nk?ping, Captain Juba (another righteous Rick player :) had a little noise generator at the side of the stage which he adjusting by kicking every once in a while! That had a certain charm :) I expect Bedouin will rock, synths or no synths. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Mon Sep 21 13:30:05 1998 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:30:05 +0100 Subject: HW: Atomhenge/Quark N Message-ID: Subject: Re: HW: Atomhenge/Quark N >Does anyone know if _A Quark Night in Paris_ is similarly brain-damaged? Mine is, but apparently it shouldn`t be!! Si ----- "I`ve got 'some' answers to 'most' of your questions!" The Alice Cooper Trivia File - http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/intro.html My Tubes Page - http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/7998/ From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Mon Sep 21 13:36:19 1998 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:36:19 +0100 Subject: Bass virtuosity... Message-ID: >Tony is a terrific bassist, I'll have to find that album! One thing I enjoyed >about ABWH was the fact that they treated Tony as an equal even though they >couldn't include him in the name...I consider Tony to have been the Yes >bassist for awhile, since ABWH basically WAS Yes. Not sure I can agree with the equal bit. I thought the Bass was pretty low in the mix on the album (but haven`t listened to it recently) and certainly at the show I saw at Wembley, the bass was very low. Annoyingly so. While I`m writing, he`s a silly Levin story. Years back when I had a band we were looking around for a bassist. A fellow worker said he knew a guy who was pretty good on bass and if I wanted he to give the guy a call. I said sure, why not. I then asked a bit more about him and found out he`d played with Bowie, Gabrial etc. I asked his name and he said tony. About then the penny dropped and I politely declined his offer. We weren`t THAT good! Si ----- "I`ve got 'some' answers to 'most' of your questions!" The Alice Cooper Trivia File - http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/intro.html My Tubes Page - http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/7998/ From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Mon Sep 21 13:55:01 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David G) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:55:01 +0100 Subject: HW: Widowmaker Message-ID: Don't b too disappointed! Actually it's pretty damn good, especially the screaming blues at the end of side two (of the vinyl copy anyway). Or am I thinking of the other Widowmaker album? Were there only ever two? DaveG Jeff Berry wrote: > Well, at least sort of HW, also Mott the Hoople, Uriah Heep and all sorts > of other stuff. > > I found a used Widowmaker CD yesterday, To Late to Cry? Featuring > Huw-Lloyd Langton, Ariel Bender, Bob Daisley, and ... damn, two others. > Haven't had a chance yet to listen to it. So, this really isn't > to say much of anything, other than, I'm psyched to have found it > completely by accident. > > JB From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Mon Sep 21 15:17:47 1998 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:17:47 -0600 Subject: Off-IQ lyrics Message-ID: Hi! I'm looking for the lyrics for IQ's "Subterrania" , Will someone point me in the right direction?? Thanx! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool Message-ID: I usually try the University of Saarland site which is an excellent place for lyrics. Point your browser at; http://www.phil.uni-sb.de/Musik/ProgTeam/IQ/index.html Then try http://www.gep.co.uk/iq/standard/index.html the official IQ page. They have a mailing list and waht not, so someone should be able to help you. Regards, Z At 13:17 21/09/1998 -0600, you wrote: >Hi! >I'm looking for the lyrics for IQ's "Subterrania" , Will someone point >me in the right direction?? >Thanx! >Pam > >-- > Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton > ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool > O O "THE INTERNET" >E-mail: cwheaton at TransWestTaxi.com >http://www.TransWestTaxi.com > ===================================== ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com PO Box 13499, Edinburgh, EH6 8YL, UK Phone 0966-389732, Fax 0131-467-1827 e-mail zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com ===================================== From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Mon Sep 21 14:00:14 1998 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 20:00:14 +0200 Subject: Bass virtuosity... In-Reply-To: <4abfde82.3606809f@aol.com> Message-ID: At 12:36 1998-09-21 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 98-09-21 07:32:58 EDT, you write: > ><< Would that be Tony Levin? He's a kickass bassist and he also plays a > Chapman Stick. Did he use one when you saw them? Tony made a hot > record last year with Steve Stevens and Terry Bozio. I haven't > gotten around to picking it up but I hear it smokes... >> > >Tony is a terrific bassist, I'll have to find that album! One thing I enjoyed >about ABWH was the fact that they treated Tony as an equal even though they >couldn't include him in the name...I consider Tony to have been the Yes >bassist for awhile, since ABWH basically WAS Yes. > A couple a months ago I bought this Liquid Tension Experiment CD with Tony Levin, John Petrucci and Mike Portnoy of Dream Theater, and Jordan Rudess on Keybords. The basswork is amazing, and I absolutly regard this CD as one of my very best ever. Tremendous 74 minutes of virtousity and great music. OBCD! From nexus at PANIX.COM Mon Sep 21 16:25:33 1998 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:25:33 -0400 Subject: HW: Widowmaker In-Reply-To: <360692F5.33B9B111@virgin.net> from "David G" at Sep 21, 98 06:55:01 pm Message-ID: >Don't b too disappointed! Actually it's pretty damn good, especially the >screaming blues at the end of side two (of the vinyl copy anyway). Or am I >thinking of the other Widowmaker album? Actually, I quite liked it. Reminded me a bit of UFO's Lights Out. Same "feel". There was a blues on the end of 2 - not sure I'd call it screaming, though. Still, I'm not dissapointed at all. >Were there only ever two? Got me. If so, one down, one to go:-) JB From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 21 17:21:47 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 22:21:47 +0100 Subject: HW: CD's wanted also In-Reply-To: BL Young's message of Mon, 21 Sep 1998 04:36:16 -0700 Message-ID: BL Young writes: > I also *NEED* the Dave Brock "Earthed to the Ground/Agents of Chaos", > new or used, and I'd pay a sum to get it, too. > And, if it's way out of print, and if it's not going back in print soon, It's long out of print I fear but I've got a spare copy of the 12" vinyl of Earthed to the Ground if that's of any interest? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 21 17:40:13 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 22:40:13 +0100 Subject: HW:Cd's wanted In-Reply-To: Scott Heller's message of Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:47:50 +0200 Message-ID: Scott Heller writes: > Hej, > > Can anyone help me to find the following cd's: > > Bob Calvert- Hype > - Test Tube Conceived > - Freq Revisited > - Blueprints from the Cellar Not sure who issued TTC but Hype was released on the "See For Miles" label tho' I don't know if this still exists. Freq was eventually issued as a US import on the "Cleopatra" label, so they might still have this. Freq Revised came out on "Anagram" and Blueprints from the Cellar on "BGO". CDS (Compact Disc Services - Dundee) used to have copies of these available but I'm not sure if they'll be able to get hold of them now. However Andy Garibaldi is the most likely person to know if you can still find them around. > > Dave Brock- agents of Chaos/Earthed to the Ground > Haven't seen a copy of this for many years! Sorry. jill obCD> "Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape", Porcupine Tree ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 21 18:03:14 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:03:14 +0100 Subject: HW: Aliens (was Re: Ledge of Darkness????) In-Reply-To: Cliff and Pam Wheaton's message of Sun, 20 Sep 1998 00:29:20 -0600 Message-ID: Cliff and Pam Wheaton writes: > Hi again all!Neat info snipped:) > Thank you, Jill! I appreciate it-and my friend that asked me the same thing > will appreciate it as well glad to help 8-) > Here's what my bud told me: > > "Aliens" is a four track EP consisting of - I believe - a remix of one or > two tracks from Alien4 and a couple of live cuts. I can't remember off If you could get a definite list this would be interesting - also, if you see it, a brief description of the sleeve and a note of the label. It *does* sound rather like the AreaS4 ep but different from the digipak and I wonder if it was perhaps issued in the States under a different name with a different tracklist. In fact on reflection, would it be possible for you to get hold of a copy for me next time you see it? I shall gladly reimburse whatever costs are incurred! cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dahl at AROS.NET Mon Sep 21 20:06:47 1998 From: dahl at AROS.NET (dahl) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:06:47 -0600 Subject: OFF: Bass virtuosity Message-ID: >>>P.S. And if you know of any other bassists operating at that level, please let me know...I'd love to hear them! :-) Other than John Swartz, one of my favs is Bryan Beller of Mike Keneally and Beer For Dolphins. He's not a big soloist, but he plays parts that are unbelievable. He does amazing things while keeping some very complicated pieces of music together. Check out their "Half Alive in Hollywood" CD for some seriously crazy bass stuff. Back to my nap, Brad "Being big is a skill, pretty much like anything." Lawrence of Cobble Creek http://www.moosenet.com/poison.html From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Mon Sep 21 22:32:18 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:32:18 -0500 Subject: OFF: Comebacks Message-ID: > The most interesting thing to me about being more "intimate" with the > band in these smaller venues was actually getting to meet them > personally one time, and not being able to believe how SHORT they are! > Yup, There known as one of the shortest bands in rock, in my Circus Raves magazine circa March '75 one of them quoted "We're one of the shortest bands in rock. A lot of guys who're short turn to music, that's where the high heel shoes came from." And in an article from Metal magazine circa '87 Albert said in an interview " Clayton, New York, where I grew up, is right where the Saint Lawrence River meets Lake Ontario. I think everybody in Clayton is sort of related. Maybe it's the genes or the temperature, but most of the people are short. It wasn't until I went away to the Clarkson College of Technology that I found out most of the world is taller. The whole freshmen class had to go to a phys. ed. lecture. I saw this one guy going in and I said, "Wow, man, you're the first guy I've seen who's as short as me! and he goes, So what? That was Donald Roeser." there equality in the height department must of drawn them together ;-). > Does anyone know how tall Al and Joe are? Actually, I really don't know how tall any of them are, this would be cool to find out though, does anybody know actual height of the band members? > And did they have to leave > the band because they made the others look too short? : ) > > -- Nick LOL, nope don't think it was that, in fact I think Albert was the shortest. As to why they really left, i'll leave that to Albert or Joe to post reasons if they wish to discus it, but anyway, long live Brain Surgeons :-). Talk to ya later. . . Laj From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Mon Sep 21 22:48:15 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:48:15 -0500 Subject: OFF: Comebacks Message-ID: brian halligan wrote: > I'm 23 also, but I have seen Albert singing Cities from behind the kit. > And Dominance & Submission, and Vera Gemini, and Death Valley Nights > (behind a Rik). And even 5 Guitars. I don't know if you live around > the east coast of the US, but if you do, make sure you get out and see > The Brain Surgeons! > Well I live in mid Canada so this means it's kind of difficult for me to see them. The last time I was at a BOC show was last May 12 in Calgary Alberta, I called in sick at work and flew up for the day, it was of coarse INCREDIBLE! I am planing to do the same for the Brain Surgeons, the BBQ, and Bolle's Museum of Cult. > Like Keith Richards always says when he's asked when he'll retire, "You > wouldn't ask me that if I were Ray Charles, or Howlin' Wolf..." The > best bands can take their fleeting pop success and turn it into > long-lasting, cross-generational fan support for as long as they want to > continue to entertain. BOC, HW, the Dead, the Stones, and Alice Cooper > among others have all managed to make the transition. Their music's > definately not "long dead". And if their "pop death" means we can stand > close enough to Buck that we could tune his guitar if we wanted, well > then all the better! :-) > Later, > Brian > > ---------- > Brian Halligan > mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com > http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html > > "We are drawing a moustache on the wanted poster of the face of music." > -Fierce Wicker > ---------- Very true indeed Brian, later man. From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Mon Sep 21 23:11:20 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 22:11:20 -0500 Subject: OFF: Comebacks Message-ID: > WEll the current lineup is very good indeed. Danny's a great > replacement for Joe, though he doesn't contribute songwriting the way > Joe did. Bobby's a great drummer in his own right, but it's hard > comparing anyone to Al, as Al's style is one in a million. And of > course, Al's songwriting puts him at another level altogether. Absolutely, I would never compare any drummer from anywhere to Al, very few bands in the history of rock and roll have had five distinct and talented songwriters, and in the case of BOC it went even beyond that. > EB's > voice has lost a bit of it's edge, but since HF, he's sounded great > live. BD--well, he's at an all-time high in his gtr playing. If you > haven't seen them recently, Buck will just knock you over with his > playing. It's hard to imagine that the guy has somehow gotten better > over the years, but trust me he has. Most musicians kind of hit a > peak early in their careers, and then just kind of coast. The > greatest ones, like BD Jeff Beck and tiny handful of others, somehow > can keep pushing things to another level. Buck is doing that now. > Buck is one of the best and my personal favorite. Not only is he completely proficient but his leads seem to captivate me so well, even on the Cult songs he hasn't written his playing makes them awesome to behold, truly one of the great masters of music. > Damn! I'm psyched--be seeing them in less than 3 weeks! > > BTW, you're right, seeing them up close is the greatest, but I still > miss the laser show! > > theo Uh man, don't know when i'm going to see them again :-(, but hay, have a few drinks for me Theo :-). later dude. From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Mon Sep 21 23:16:48 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 22:16:48 -0500 Subject: BOC: theme Message-ID: If anybody's looking for a BOC theme, especially one if you don't have Win Plus, this one here is pretty cool, im using it right now actually. . . http://www2.iworld.net/nonags/themes1.html From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Tue Sep 22 03:16:49 1998 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 01:16:49 -0600 Subject: HW: Aliens (was Re: Ledge of Darkness????) Message-ID: J Strobridge wrote: > > > If you could get a definite list this would be interesting - also, if > you see it, a brief description of the sleeve and a note of the label. > It *does* sound rather like the AreaS4 ep but different from the digipak > and I wonder if it was perhaps issued in the States under a different > name with a different tracklist. It may have been-I dunno on that one:) > > > In fact on reflection, would it be possible for you to get hold of a > copy for me next time you see it? I shall gladly reimburse whatever > costs are incurred! Unfortunately-I only saw it on their "Special Order" listing. Most the time, I have to order the stuff, then wait next to forever to get it:( I ordered "Fugazi" (Marillion) 3 weeks ago or better, as well as Twelfth Nights "Live at the Target" about 2 months ago(no sign). The Ozric I ordered at the same time as the Marillion came in 2 weeks ago-go figure.Now, If you'd be able to find me a copy of Alien 4 and maybe "Distant Horizons" at a better price than $35.00 US (ouch).....I shall happily do the same:) I could order the "aliens", but god knows how long that could take. :) Rock on! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool "Re: Bass virtuosity..." (Sep 21, 1:20pm) Message-ID: On Sep 21, 1:20pm, Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 wrote: >If you want to go back a ways on bass, my favorite has always been >Tim Bogert. He's one of the godfathers of the current lead bass >style. He did one album with Jeff Beck: Beck, Bogert and Appice, >and he played with Cactus and Vanilla Fudge before that. Tim is >absolutely amazing. Agreed, but BBA had _two_ albums. They've done a tour in Japan, and some of the recordings of that tour came out as a double lp in '73 (I think). Japanese imports only. The same goes for the CD version of it. If you like BBA, then do try to get the live album. I'd throw in Chris Ballew (Presidents of the USA), just for having a _great_ sound, the best I've heard in a long, long time. Too bad they've split. Arjan H From MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Sep 22 04:36:55 1998 From: MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark P Lee) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:36:55 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: CD's wanted. In-Reply-To: <199809220019.UAA03509@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: >From: Scott Heller >Subject: HW:Cd's wanted > Can anyone help me to find the following cd's: >Bob Calvert- Hype > - Test Tube Conceived > - Freq Revisited > - Blueprints from the Cellar I have TTC, the guy who sourced it for me took about 6 weeks to get hold of a 2nd hand copy for me, never seen it loose since then, sorry. BTW, anybody who has any of the other 2 spare is welcome to contact me ????? please. :) Mark. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please reply to mark at esparto.demon.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Sep 22 04:42:09 1998 From: MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark P Lee) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:42:09 +0100 Subject: HW: In-Reply-To: <199809220019.UAA03509@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: >From: "Carl E. Anderson" >Subject: HW: Bedouin in the UK > > Anyone know about how long a set Bedouin is playing? I'm >hoping to try and tape the gig in Cambridge, and was wondering >how much tape I'd need. One can never have too many recordings >of Alan rocking out :) > They did approx 85 minutes in Derby, this was without Alans keyboards, don't know if the set would be longer if there was no support band and some keyboards tho. > Also, are they still selling than little CD-R of synth stuff? The guy on merchandisehad a selection of stuff out including some Hawks memorabilia, the tour booklets and stuff from way back when..... IIRC there were 5 of Al's CD's and about 3 Bedouin, also 3 or 4 Hawks including Love in Space, I ran out of money dammit :(( Mark. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please reply to mark at esparto.demon.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Sep 22 07:17:01 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 07:17:01 EDT Subject: Bass virtuosity... In-Reply-To: <9809220951.ZM24650@cs.vu.nl> Message-ID: > From: Hulsebos A > On Sep 21, 1:20pm, Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 wrote: > > >If you want to go back a ways on bass, my favorite has always been > >Tim Bogert. He's one of the godfathers of the current lead bass > >style. He did one album with Jeff Beck: Beck, Bogert and Appice, > >and he played with Cactus and Vanilla Fudge before that. Tim is > >absolutely amazing. > > Agreed, but BBA had _two_ albums. They've done a tour in Japan, and > some of the recordings of that tour came out as a double lp in '73 > (I think). Japanese imports only. The same goes for the CD version of > it. If you like BBA, then do try to get the live album. > Yeah, that double live Jap. import used to be available but I haven't seen it in a long time. I'll always regret not picking it up. BTW, a couple tracks from it are on Beckology, Jeff's excellent boxed set. Also, the band did some work on a second studio album, and one track from that is on Beckology too. Is the import still avail.? theo From arjanh at CS.VU.NL Tue Sep 22 07:26:36 1998 From: arjanh at CS.VU.NL (Hulsebos A) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:26:36 +0200 Subject: Bass virtuosity... In-Reply-To: "Ted Jackson jr. s2h2" "Re: Bass virtuosity..." (Sep 22, 7:17am) Message-ID: On Sep 22, 7:17am, Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 wrote: >Yeah, that double live Jap. import used to be available but I haven't >seen it in a long time. I'll always regret not picking it up. BTW, >a couple tracks from it are on Beckology, Jeff's excellent boxed set. >Also, the band did some work on a second studio album, and one track >from that is on Beckology too. Is the import still avail.? Dunno, haven't looked at it for a while (I have it, but I'm always kind-of curious). But I've seen it once every blue moon, so maybe it still is. Arjan H From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Sep 22 07:40:12 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 07:40:12 EDT Subject: OFF: Comebacks In-Reply-To: <36071558.1B0A9641@dlcwest.com> Message-ID: > From: Laj Waldner > > Buck is one of the best and my personal favorite. Not only is he completely proficient > but his leads seem to captivate me so well, even on the Cult songs he hasn't written > his playing makes them awesome to behold, truly one of the great masters of music. > Couldn't have said it better! The thing that's always amazed me about Buck is the way his solos suit the mood of the song so well, instead of just throwing out a bunch of notes. His solos have structure: an intro, a body and a conclusion. They make a statement. Listen to Stairway or Dominance for great examples. Live, he does it with Last Days, and to great effect, on Telepaths... > > Damn! I'm psyched--be seeing them in less than 3 weeks! > > > > BTW, you're right, seeing them up close is the greatest, but I still > > miss the laser show! > > > > theo > > Uh man, don't know when i'm going to see them again :-(, but hay, have a few drinks for me Theo :-). later dude. You can count on that! Torgo, Jason, you guys up for the BOC show? I know Brian's got to be going... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Sep 22 07:46:55 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 07:46:55 EDT Subject: OFF: Comebacks In-Reply-To: <36070C32.AA80FE4B@dlcwest.com> Message-ID: > From: Laj Waldner >> Yup, There known as one of the shortest bands in rock, in my Circus Raves > magazine circa March '75 one of them quoted "We're one of the shortest > bands in rock. A lot of guys who're short turn to music, that's where the > high heel shoes came from." And in an article from Metal magazine circa > '87 Albert said in an interview " Clayton, New York, where I grew up, is > right where the Saint Lawrence River meets Lake Ontario. I think everybody > in Clayton is sort of related. Maybe it's the genes or the temperature, > but most of the people are short. It wasn't until I went away to the > Clarkson College of Technology that I found out most of the world is > taller. I'll tell ya, I'm 6' and 210 lbs, and I felt absolutely TINY in the Netherlands. All the guys are over 6'2 and most of the women are around 6 foot--taller in those big shoes they all like to wear! And Bloom would go nuts, 'cause every women in europe dresses head to toe in--BLACK! theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Sep 22 08:02:18 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:02:18 -0400 Subject: OFF: Bass virtuosity Message-ID: >Other than John Swartz, one of my favs is ROTFLMAO! I gotta be one of the most famous bassplayers that NOBODY has ever actually heard play! :-) John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Sep 22 08:07:29 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:07:29 -0400 Subject: OFF: Tony Levin Message-ID: All this talk about Tony Levin reminds me of another of my favorite artists: Barbara Kessler. She's a folksinger (you heard that right) from the Boston area, and she's got one of the most amazing voices I've every heard. Anyway, Tony plays on a few tracks of her 1996 release, "notion". If you get a chance to hear this CD, go for it (ya gotta wander over to the folk music section of your CD store though). Tony's bassplaying on her album is quite good, but the CD sticks out not for his playing, but for Barbara's voice. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Sep 22 08:09:17 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:09:17 -0400 Subject: BOC: Possible bad news about KBFH CD Message-ID: I recently e-mailed the folks at King Biscuit about the presumably upcoming BOC release. The response I got was not particularly encouraging. Either the person is clueless, or KBFH is not planning a BOC release any time soon. Here's the text of the response: Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:54:38 -0700 From: Oretha Winston MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Swartz Subject: Re: Blue Oyster Cult I am sorry. I do not have any release information on this. Thank you for writing. We will add your request to our wishing well. Best Regards, Oretha Winston John From AgentOF at AOL.COM Tue Sep 22 08:16:45 1998 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Chuck Saden) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:16:45 EDT Subject: BOC: Possible bad news about KBFH CD Message-ID: John, Sounds like she doesn't know what she's talking about. Don't believe anything you hear from their office unless it comes from Len Handler, who is Oretha's "Wishing Well". chuck From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Sep 22 08:56:24 1998 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:56:24 EDT Subject: BOC: Reaper Japanese 7" Message-ID: I have the following rare Japan 7" for sale. Blue Oyster Cult Sinful Love/(Don't Fear) The Reaper Rare Jpn 7" W/PS M/M E-mail author if interested... (Price = Please ask me by E-mail!!) Payment US$, UKpound OK!! Wants Lists welcome!! Toshikazu Okada 2-15-13, Kudo, Oji-cho, Nara-Ken, zip636-0003, Japan E-mail okadazzz at hotmail.com From JOHNANDBEVBONO at WORLDNET.ATT.NET Tue Sep 22 05:20:11 1998 From: JOHNANDBEVBONO at WORLDNET.ATT.NET (JOHN BONO) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:20:11 -0000 Subject: OFF: Comebacks Message-ID: That indeed was Tony Levin, snd those things on his fingers are called "Funk Fingers" and were devised by Tony himself, and his tech, Andy. Anyone interested can find them on his web page www.papabear.com . -----Original Message----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Monday, September 21, 1998 12:24 PM Subject: Re: OFF: Comebacks > Would that be Tony Levin? He's a kickass bassist and he also plays a > Chapman Stick. Did he use one when you saw them? Tony made a hot > record last year with Steve Stevens and Terry Bozio. I haven't > gotten around to picking it up but I hear it smokes... > > theo I think it was Tony Levin...and I just realized that I spelled it "base" instead of "bass". Duh. Anyway, I don't know what they're called, but he had these metal extension-type things on the fingers of his right hand, looked kinda like Freddy Kreuger...and instead of plucking or picking, he was basically tapping on the strings with them. I'd never seen anything like it before, and it was a really neat playing style sound-wise. -- Nick From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Sep 22 09:24:42 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 14:24:42 +0100 Subject: HW: Bedouin in the UK Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 22, 1998 9:42 am +0100 "Mark P Lee" wrote: >From: "Carl E. Anderson" >> Anyone know about how long a set Bedouin is playing? I'm >>hoping to try and tape the gig in Cambridge, and was wondering >>how much tape I'd need. One can never have too many recordings >>of Alan rocking out :) > > They did approx 85 minutes in Derby, this was without Alans > keyboards, don't know if the set would be longer if there was > no support band and some keyboards tho. Well, of late, Hawkwind was breaking 100 minutes very rarely, so hopefully a 100 min tape will be enough! >> Also, are they still selling than little CD-R of synth stuff? > > The guy on merchandisehad a selection of stuff out including > some Hawks memorabilia, the tour booklets and stuff from > way back when..... IIRC there were 5 of Al's CD's and about > 3 Bedouin, also 3 or 4 Hawks including Love in Space, I ran > out of money dammit :(( A common problem! :( Though since it's my birthday, I feel I should be allowed to splurge up until the Bedouin gig on Thursday anyway :) A local shop had a copy of their album, but someone bought it! Maybe I can pick that up at the gig as well. In Space We Trust, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Sep 22 09:33:34 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:33:34 -0400 Subject: BOC: Possible bad news about KBFH CD Message-ID: >Sounds like she doesn't know what she's talking about. Don't believe anything you hear from their office unless it comes from Len Handler, who is Oretha's "Wishing Well". Well, I haven't exactly heard anything lately from anyone who might know about this release, and what the real status is. Folks like Buck, Eric, Bolle...someone ought to know something at this point. John From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Sep 22 06:44:54 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:44:54 +0000 Subject: BOC: theme Message-ID: > If anybody's looking for a BOC theme, especially one if you don't have > Win Plus, this one here is pretty cool, im using it right now actually. > . . > > http://www2.iworld.net/nonags/themes1.html I'm still learning about computers, basically. What exactly is a "theme"? -- Nick From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Tue Sep 22 10:57:14 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:57:14 -0400 Subject: BOC: theme Message-ID: > I'm still learning about computers, basically. What exactly is a > "theme"? > Themes are a way of personalizing your win95. They change many of the computers defaults. Examples: There is a spooky theme that comes with Win95 and include some of the following: When the computer starts up instead of the windows music lightning strikes. The background is the living room of a haunted house. The screen saver is the outside of the haunted house with sounds and eyes and clouds (oh my) Some of the default icons are changed like the Garbage Pail is now a 'secret envelope,' and the My Computer icon is a 'detective's hat.' The illegal operation sound is Igor groaning. The in-use icon is a finderprint instead of an hour glass. From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Sep 22 15:34:09 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:34:09 -0700 Subject: OFF:Comebacks Message-ID: >The greatest ones, like BD Jeff Beck and tiny handful of others, somehow can keep pushing things to another level. Buck is doing that now. Damn! I'm psyched--be seeing them in less than 3 weeks! Throw Rik Emmett (fomerly of Triumph) into this mix. Now a solo act aand like Buck is better today than he was 20 years ago. Go see him, he'll prove it. >Rob's new band, BTW, is called Two. I heard a remix of one of their songs, called "Hole in the Ground" or "Deep in the Ground" or something like that. Not bad, but it won't set the world on fire. Heard a song or Two, agree with your assesment, not bad..not earth shattering... but not bad... Vreeeepppp - Lurker mode reset - vreepppppp Ghost in the Ruins From adawson at CLARA.NET Tue Sep 22 14:59:53 1998 From: adawson at CLARA.NET (Andrew Dawson) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:59:53 +0100 Subject: HW: Widowmaker In-Reply-To: <199809212025.QAA29236@panix3.panix.com> Message-ID: At 16:25 21/09/98 -0400, you wrote: >>Don't b too disappointed! Actually it's pretty damn good, especially the >>screaming blues at the end of side two (of the vinyl copy anyway). Or am I >>thinking of the other Widowmaker album? > >Actually, I quite liked it. Reminded me a bit of UFO's Lights Out. >Same "feel". There was a blues on the end of 2 - not sure I'd call it >screaming, though. Still, I'm not dissapointed at all. > >>Were there only ever two? > >Got me. If so, one down, one to go:-) > >JB > > For the record a discography Widowmaker - single sleeve - April 1976 UK LP Jet Records JETLP 15 with promo photo and press release USA LP United Artists UA-LA642-G Germany LP Polydor 2310-432 Germany CD Jet JECD 9.00858 (1989) Too Late to Cry - gatefold sleeve - April 1977 UK LP United Artists UAG 30038 USA LP - United Artists UA-LA723-G Germany CD - Jet JECD 9.00867 (1989) Singles - All U.K On the Road / Pin A Rose On Me - Jet JET766 - 2/76 No P/S When I Met You / Pin A Rose On Me - Jet JET767 3/76 No P/S Pin A Rose On Me / On the Road - Jet JET782 6/76 No P/S What A Way To Fall / Mean What You Say - Jet JET UP36263 6/77 P/S Hope this helps Andy Andrew Dawson adawson at clara.net Into Hawkwind ? Then check out the Worldwide discography. http://home.clara.net/adawson From adawson at CLARA.NET Tue Sep 22 15:27:05 1998 From: adawson at CLARA.NET (Andrew Dawson) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:27:05 +0100 Subject: HW:Cd's wanted In-Reply-To: <199809212140.WAA22015@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 22:40 21/09/98 +0100, you wrote: >Scott Heller writes: > >> Hej, >> >> Can anyone help me to find the following cd's: >> >> Bob Calvert- Hype >> - Test Tube Conceived >> - Freq Revisited >> - Blueprints from the Cellar > > >Not sure who issued TTC but Hype was released on the "See For Miles" >label tho' I don't know if this still exists. Freq was eventually >issued as a US import on the "Cleopatra" label, so they might still >have this. Freq Revised came out on "Anagram" and Blueprints from the >Cellar on "BGO". CDS (Compact Disc Services - Dundee) used to have >copies of these available but I'm not sure if they'll be able to get >hold of them now. However Andy Garibaldi is the most likely person to >know if you can still find them around. > >> >> Dave Brock- agents of Chaos/Earthed to the Ground >> > >Haven't seen a copy of this for many years! Sorry. > >jill Hi, If anyone wants any more details on these and other releases by HW members there is a new section recently added to my site detailing their album, CD & singles releases. Address in sig. While you are there check out Dave Brocks first recoding on the album "Buskers" from 1969. The sleeve notes make interesting reading. Andy Andrew Dawson adawson at clara.net Into Hawkwind ? Then check out the Worldwide discography. http://home.clara.net/adawson From adawson at CLARA.NET Tue Sep 22 15:43:40 1998 From: adawson at CLARA.NET (Andrew Dawson) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:43:40 +0100 Subject: HW: Aliens (was Re: Ledge of Darkness????) In-Reply-To: <199809212203.XAA23850@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 23:03 21/09/98 +0100, you wrote: >Cliff and Pam Wheaton writes: >> Here's what my bud told me: >> >> "Aliens" is a four track EP consisting of - I believe - a remix of one or >> two tracks from Alien4 and a couple of live cuts. I can't remember off > To which Jill replied >If you could get a definite list this would be interesting - also, if >you see it, a brief description of the sleeve and a note of the label. >It *does* sound rather like the AreaS4 ep but different from the digipak >and I wonder if it was perhaps issued in the States under a different >name with a different tracklist. >jill O.K now to confuse matters even more. On checking the CD Zone listing they list the following Aliens double limited LP EBSLP 118 Aliens limited digipak CD EBSCD 118 As you may have spotted these are the catalogue numbers for the EBS releases of Alien4 But also listed is Alien4 ESBLP 118 Alien4 ESBCD 118 Very similar but with the B & S reversed Now checking at CD Now They list Aliens as a release on Griffin Music / Gopaco but no cat No is given Checking the Griffin site (Updated 7th July) there is no mention of Aliens As neither Alien4 or Area S4 has been released by Griffin I suspect it is going to be one or the other. At the moment my money is on Aliens being the Griffin release of Alien4. Wish someone would buy it and put us all out of our misery Andy Andrew Dawson adawson at clara.net Into Hawkwind ? Then check out the Worldwide discography. http://home.clara.net/adawson From StevenTice at AOL.COM Tue Sep 22 17:06:03 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:06:03 EDT Subject: BOC: Possible bad news about KBFH CD Message-ID: In a message dated 98-09-22 09:33:56 EDT, you write: << Well, I haven't exactly heard anything lately from anyone who might know about this release, and what the real status is. Folks like Buck, Eric, Bolle...someone ought to know something at this point. John >> I talked to Bolle a few days ago and he said it would be coming out sometime next year, once they got all the legal stuff straightened out... SET From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Sep 22 17:27:18 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:27:18 +0100 Subject: HW: Aliens (was Re: Ledge of Darkness????) In-Reply-To: Andrew Dawson's message of Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:43:40 +0100 Message-ID: Andrew Dawson writes: > They list Aliens as a release on Griffin Music / Gopaco but no cat No is given > Checking the Griffin site (Updated 7th July) there is no mention of Aliens Sudden terrible vision of Invaders from Alpha Centauri disguising themselves as small silver CD discs packaged and neatly labelled as quasi Hawkwind albums, crouching quietly in the racks just waiting for someone to buy one, slip it into their CD player, put the headphones on and........ .........Invasion Earth > As neither Alien4 or Area S4 has been released by Griffin I suspect it is > going to be one or the other. At the moment my money is on Aliens being the > Griffin release of Alien4. > > Wish someone would buy it and put us all out of our misery Please! As I said I'm at the stage now where I'll reimburse anyone who does this. jill ObClintonCaveat - NB: please note that's any*one*, not anymany 8-) ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Tue Sep 22 17:36:20 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David G) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:36:20 +0100 Subject: HW: Bring it on Home Message-ID: Does anyone know if the version of Bring it on Home that is featured on Buskers is the same as the version on a strange compilation cassette I found in a boot sale? The cassette is simply called Hawkwind and seems to be on Knight records with a release date of 1990. Copyright is credited to Bronze throughout, but that doesn't seem to tie in with the vintage of some of the tracks which span at least 12 years that I can identify. catalogue number is KNMC10017. Thanks DaveG From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Sep 22 18:02:16 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:02:16 +0100 Subject: HW: Bring it on Home In-Reply-To: David G's message of Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:36:20 +0100 Message-ID: David G writes: > Does anyone know if the version of Bring it on Home that is featured on > Buskers is the same as the version on a strange compilation cassette I > found in a boot sale? The cassette is simply called Hawkwind and seems > to be on Knight records with a release date of 1990. Copyright is > credited to Bronze throughout, but that doesn't seem to tie in with the > vintage of some of the tracks which span at least 12 years that I can > identify. catalogue number is KNMC10017. This is almost certainly a tape of the Night Riding CD - tracklist: Silver Machine / Shot Down in the Night / Levitation / Dust of Time / Motorway City / Masters of the Universe / Motorhead / Bring It on Home / Angels of Death / You Shouldn't Do That. See the Codex for the different versions used in this compilation. Note however that although there is only one version of 'Bring It On Home' in the Codex i.e. this version is identical on all the albums it appears on - the track on the Buskers album is (from what I remember) quite different. However the Buskers album doesn't feature in the Codex 'cos it's a solo album and doesn't count! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Sep 22 19:02:12 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 00:02:12 +0100 Subject: BOC: theme In-Reply-To: <199809221442.KAA28794@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: > I'm still learning about computers, basically. What exactly is a > "theme"? It's like a Windows 95 thing. Antichrist to some. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM Tue Sep 22 19:13:13 1998 From: stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:13:13 -0400 Subject: HW: Bring it on Home Message-ID: And I think the Buskers version is the same as on the 'White Boy Blues' compilation too. Steve L. > David G writes: > > > Does anyone know if the version of Bring it on Home that is featured on > > Buskers is the same as the version on a strange compilation cassette I > > found in a boot sale? The cassette is simply called Hawkwind and seems > > to be on Knight records with a release date of 1990. Copyright is > > credited to Bronze throughout, but that doesn't seem to tie in with the > > vintage of some of the tracks which span at least 12 years that I can > > identify. catalogue number is KNMC10017. > > This is almost certainly a tape of the Night Riding CD - tracklist: > Silver Machine / Shot Down in the Night / Levitation / Dust of Time / > Motorway City / Masters of the Universe / Motorhead / Bring It on > Home / Angels of Death / You Shouldn't Do That. See the Codex for > the different versions used in this compilation. Note however that > although there is only one version of 'Bring It On Home' in the Codex > i.e. this version is identical on all the albums it appears on - the > track on the Buskers album is (from what I remember) quite different. > However the Buskers album doesn't feature in the Codex 'cos it's a > solo album and doesn't count! > > jill > > =========================================================================== > J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From chrisr at TIAC.NET Tue Sep 22 20:57:56 1998 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:57:56 -0400 Subject: HW: In my local store Message-ID: I just came back from the CD store in Manchester, NH USA and this is they currently have in stock for Hawkwind: Live Chronicles (Griffin) 2 CD's GCDHA 0-136-2 $24.99 Zones (Griffin) GCDHA 164-2 $14.99 Quark, Strangeness and Charm (Griffin - Box set cover) 162-2 $12.99 Welcome To the Future (Dressed To Kill) 4 CD's CLP 0220-2 $26.99 Ambient Anarchists (Snapper) 2CD's SMD CD 121 (I forgot the price!) Friend & Relations - Cosmic Travellers Vol.6 (Anagram) CDMGram 105 (Iforgot to price this too!) I also saw the new Anubian Lights for $15.99 but that one is spoken for already. If anyone is interested in any of these, let me know. Chris -- As long as our spiritual needs are met, our living problems are reduced to the point of comfort (BT 5th ed) -- As long as our spiritual needs are met, our living problems are reduced to the point of comfort (BT 5th ed) From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Wed Sep 23 04:07:24 1998 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:07:24 +0100 Subject: HW: Widowmaker In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980922195953.007ab600@clara.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 22 Sep 1998, Andrew Dawson wrote: > For the record a discography > > Widowmaker - single sleeve - April 1976 They also had a track on one of the Old grey whistle test albums. Does anyone know if they ever appeared on the show? Mike w From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Wed Sep 23 04:50:00 1998 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 08:50:00 GMT Subject: HW: Spirit of the Age CD Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1998-09-23 09:50 I am suffering a serious bout of amnesia here so some facts may not be correct: Whilst browsing round a few shops yesterday, I found a Griffin CD which had (I think) 4 tracks on it, each of which (I think) was a remix of Spirit of the Age. Being in the UK, this CD had come in as a Canadian import with a suitably high price tag. I couldn't work out from the sleeve who was directly responsible for the remixing or when this thing was released. Is it just a CD EP from the Solstice Reconstructions (or whatever its called - I don't have this)? Is it worth collecting for rarity anyway? Two further related questions: What is the general opinion on the Solstice Reconstructions CD? Is it really worth getting or interesting or IITBOTFTBD quality or forget it? I can't remember what the second question was. Thanks for any help, Mark Edmonds From richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK Wed Sep 23 05:09:44 1998 From: richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK (Cutting, Richard) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:09:44 +0100 Subject: HW: Spirit of the Age CD === Message-ID: I have this CD also, I think that the remixes have been done by Astralasia, I seem to remember some small writing on it somewhere. The first track is the one from Reconstructions but the others are new. Richard. > ---------- > From: Mark Edmonds[SMTP:edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: 23 September 1998 09:50 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: HW: Spirit of the Age CD > > From: Mark Edmonds > Date: 1998-09-23 09:50 > > I am suffering a serious bout of amnesia here so some facts may not be > correct: > > Whilst browsing round a few shops yesterday, I found a Griffin CD > which had > (I think) 4 tracks on it, each of which (I think) was a remix of > Spirit of > the Age. Being in the UK, this CD had come in as a Canadian import > with a > suitably high price tag. I couldn't work out from the sleeve who was > directly responsible for the remixing or when this thing was released. > > Is it just a CD EP from the Solstice Reconstructions (or whatever its > called > - I don't have this)? > Is it worth collecting for rarity anyway? > > Two further related questions: > > What is the general opinion on the Solstice Reconstructions CD? Is it > really > worth getting or interesting or IITBOTFTBD quality or forget it? > I can't remember what the second question was. > > Thanks for any help, > > Mark Edmonds > *********************************************************************** LEGAL DISCLAIMER *********************************************************************** The contents of this email and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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One of their characters is called Sandman, and he uses Metallica's "Enter Sandman" as his theme song. That tune will be on the CD, but BY MOTORHEAD! Could be interesting. Also, Motorhead's "Love for Sale" will be on the soundtrack for the new "Child's Play" movie which, despite horrible box office for the last two sequels and a lengthy absence, is getting a pretty big promotional push (It's called "Bride of Chucky"). Also on that soundtrack are Judas Priest, Monster Magnet, Bruce Dickinson and a bunch of other heavy hitters. I like horror movies and wrestling. Sue me. -- Nick From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 23 05:46:25 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:46:25 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind trivia spotted Message-ID: Last night the Brit Channel 5 were advertising their weekend wares: Xena - Warrior Princess et al. The background music to the ad was Silver Machine. FoFP From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Wed Sep 23 07:00:59 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 07:00:59 -0400 Subject: In my local store Message-ID: Where is the store - I work in Nashua so I may make it up there some day. > ---------- > From: Chris Raymond[SMTP:chrisr at TIAC.NET] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 8:57 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: HW: In my local store > > I just came back from the CD store in Manchester, NH USA and this is > they currently have in stock for Hawkwind: > > Live Chronicles (Griffin) 2 CD's GCDHA 0-136-2 $24.99 > > Zones (Griffin) GCDHA 164-2 $14.99 > > Quark, Strangeness and Charm (Griffin - Box set cover) 162-2 $12.99 > > Welcome To the Future (Dressed To Kill) 4 CD's CLP 0220-2 $26.99 > > Ambient Anarchists (Snapper) 2CD's SMD CD 121 (I forgot the price!) > > Friend & Relations - Cosmic Travellers Vol.6 (Anagram) CDMGram 105 > (Iforgot to price this too!) > > I also saw the new Anubian Lights for $15.99 but that one is spoken for > already. > If anyone is interested in any of these, let me know. > Chris > > > -- > As long as our spiritual needs are met, our living > problems are reduced to the point of comfort (BT 5th ed) > > > > > -- > As long as our spiritual needs are met, our living > problems are reduced to the point of comfort (BT 5th ed) > From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Sep 23 08:26:52 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:26:52 +0100 Subject: BOC: theme Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 23, 1998 12:02 am +0100 "Andy Gilham" wrote: > It's like a Windows 95 thing. Antichrist to some. Nah, just a false prophet riding on the coat-tails of the true messiah (who, not having generated sufficient publicity to hold popular support, is being crucified ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Wed Sep 23 08:29:55 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 08:29:55 -0400 Subject: OFF: Win95 Themes Message-ID: > Yeltsin, Clinton and Bill Gates were invited to have dinner with God. > During dinner, he told them, "I need three important people to send my > message out to all people. Tomorrow I will destroy the earth." > > Yeltsin immediately called together his cabinet and told them, "I have > two really bad news items for you: (1) God really exists and (2) > Tomorrow He will destroy the earth." > > Clinton called an Emergency meeting of the Senate and Congress and told > them, "I have Good news and Bad News: (1) God really does exist; (2) The > Bad news is tomorrow he is destroying the earth." > > Bill Gates went back to Microsoft and happily announced. "I have two > fantastic announcements: (1) I am one of the three most important people > on earth and (2) The Year 2000 problem is solved." > > > > > ---------- > From: Carl E. Anderson[SMTP:cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 1998 8:26 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: BOC: theme > > On Wed, Sep 23, 1998 12:02 am +0100 "Andy Gilham" > wrote: > > It's like a Windows 95 thing. Antichrist to some. > > Nah, just a false prophet riding on the coat-tails of the > true messiah (who, not having generated sufficient publicity > to hold popular support, is being crucified ;) > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic > St. John's College, University of Cambridge > mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk > http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ > From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Sep 23 08:43:57 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:43:57 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind trivia spotted In-Reply-To: <199809230946.KAA10997@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 10:46 23/09/98 +0100, M Holmes wrote: >Last night the Brit Channel 5 were advertising their weekend wares: Xena >- Warrior Princess et al. The background music to the ad was Silver Machine. Sounds like cue for a tour! Dave (ducking and running). Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From christmu at EUNET.NO Wed Sep 23 08:46:10 1998 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu at EUNET.NO) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:46:10 +0200 Subject: HW: Spirit of the Age CD (& Alien4/Aliens) In-Reply-To: <199809230900.LAA02333@login-2.eunet.no> Message-ID: >From: Mark Edmonds >Date: 1998-09-23 09:50 >I found a Griffin CD which had >(I think) 4 tracks on it, each of which (I think) was a remix of Spirit of >the Age. Being in the UK, this CD had come in as a Canadian import with a >suitably high price tag. I couldn't work out from the sleeve who was >directly responsible for the remixing or when this thing was released. > >Is it just a CD EP from the Solstice Reconstructions (or whatever its called > - I don't have this)? >Is it worth collecting for rarity anyway? Its worth collecting for the interesting tracks and the tasty cover art! You have probably seen the Griffin version of the Quark EP... (a personal peeve: the cheap lookin' printing on the Griffin editions! It looks like they shoot all the art from the printed EBS ones or used a bad color copier or something!) Anyway, an excellent CD, especially noted for the great lost techno-ish 9 minute energetic Hawkwind freakout "Black Sun", a couple of weird bouncy remixes of "Uncle Sam's On Mars" by Astralasia, and an edited version of the rearranged live "Spirit of The Age" from Business Trip. >Two further related questions: > >What is the general opinion on the Solstice Reconstructions CD? Is it really >worth getting or interesting or IITBOTFTBD quality or forget it? I for one thought it was kind of ho-hum. Much of it is pretty lame or not very innovative at all. But curious it is. Now, can someone here fix me up with a copy of the Spirit Of The Age remix EP!!??? >I can't remember what the second question was. !! Well, I'll toss in my long standing rational/sceptical interpretation/theory that the Alien4/Aliens business merely is a cock-up and is in fact the same record. Christian From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Sep 23 09:54:42 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:54:42 -0400 Subject: OFF: Thoughts on KISS' Psycho Circus Message-ID: O.K., here's some quick thoughts on Psycho Circus. First - nice packaging. Yeah, it sort of evokes images of "toys", but then again, that's classic KISS. Now, the music - I hear a lot of recycled KISS tunes and themes built in to this, but in most cases the recycled stuff is better than what it was recycled from. So, while there may be not a lot of new musical territory being explored here, much of it is an improvement upon earlier themes. Hey, who better to do KISS than KISS? The opening track, "Psycho Circus" sounds similar to some of Paul Stanley's previous heavy album-opening tracks, but this is perhaps his best effort to date - I love this track. Next up, Gene's "Within" is one of the more original sounding, and has a nice modern heavy flavor. "I Pledge Allegiance to the State of Rock 'n' Roll" - classic KISS anthem by Paul - yeah, kinda stupid (then again, in retrospect, "Shout it Out Loud" was not exactly brainy either), but the music kicks. Ace's "Into the Void" sounds like KISS playing Frehley's Comet material - very nice. "We Are One" - a mellow tune by Gene - guess he wants to prove he can sing heartfelt songs - it's pretty good, but Gene is better as the monster than the crooner. "You Wanted the Best" - mixed feelings about this one - musically it's great, and having all of the band sing it, taking turns, is cool - but another anthem - I guess maybe I'm starting to outgrow this kind of theme, and obviously KISS is ripping off one of their own cliche's here. The thing that I find laughable though, is the Gene-sung line "The fans wanted us to play, we hear and we obey" -- Gene is so unabashedly materialistic - the line should be "The fans want us to play, so they better get ready to pay". LOL. Still, a pretty good song. From here, the album loses a bit for me. Paul's "Raise Your Glasses", "I've Finally Found My Way", and "Dreamin'" are good, but fairly unspectacular. And, the final track, Gene's "Journey of 1,000 Years" sounds in places like an earlier work of his ("Childhood's End" from the Carnival of Souls album), and ends the album on too wimpy of a note. One comment about "I Finally Found My Way" - it could be called "Paul's ballad for Peter to Sing" - Peter does a great job with it, but why he's gotten pidgeon-holed as the "gentle one" is beyond me. Yeah, he sund "Beth" and "Hard Luck Woman", but he also song hard-rocking tracks like "Baby Driver", "Hooligan", and "Black Diamond". Pete's got a great rock 'n' roll voice (a little like Bob Seger, I think) - I wish they'd let him belt it out more. Overall, 1/3 of the album is probably some of the best stuff KISS has done, 1/3 is fairly decent (but sort of a continuation of their work on "Revenge" and "Carnival of Souls"), and the other 1/3 will be long-forgotten when the book of KISStory is finally closed. Perhaps not being the bleeding-heart KISS fan I once was has made me a bit harsh of a few of the tracks, but overall, this is KISS' finest album in the 90s (although I have a great affection for the "Unplugged" album). I do have some gripes about the so-called "Enhanced CD" though. First of all, you need a PC to take advantage of the interactive stuff (access to the new KISS website, screensaver). Yeah, maybe over 90% of the world uses PCs - but there are a significant number of Macintosh users, and it would take a rocket scientist to have designed a Mac interface as well. For a band as rich as KISS, there's no excuse for not going the extra mile. Also, for whatever reason, my CD-playing software "hiccups" many times (at different places) while playing the disc on my computer, causing me to have to restart it -- I don't have this problem with any other CD. Finally, there were some soundfiles that I was able to play, which are supposed to be used when you use the interactive portion of the disc - it has the band talking about the interactive section, and the new KISS website. It sounds as if the band just read stuff off of cue cards. Paul did most of the talking, and he was o.k., but Gene sounds terrible - he sounds like he has absolutely no clue about what he's saying. But, then again, I bought this CD for the MUSIC, and it did not dissappoint. John From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Sep 23 11:41:58 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 23:41:58 +0800 Subject: Spirit of the Age CD In-Reply-To: <5565@ems.rail.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi there > Is it just a CD EP from the Solstice Reconstructions (or whatever > its called > - I don't have this)? One of the tracks is on the Solstice album, but the EP version is longer. All versions are by Astralasia. > Is it worth collecting for rarity anyway? > The version of Spirit with Calvert vocals on it is good, but other than that track (which features twice. One version is an edit), I wouldn't rate it that highly. > Two further related questions: > > What is the general opinion on the Solstice Reconstructions CD? > Is it really > worth getting or interesting or IITBOTFTBD quality or forget it? > I can't remember what the second question was. > Personally, I wouldn't bother unless you are a completist. It's mostly predictable techno versions of HW tracks. William From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Sep 23 08:12:53 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:12:53 +0100 Subject: HW: Spirit of the Age CD In-Reply-To: <5565@ems.rail.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <5565 at ems.rail.co.uk>, Mark Edmonds writes > >Two further related questions: > >What is the general opinion on the Solstice Reconstructions CD? Is it really >worth getting or interesting or IITBOTFTBD quality or forget it? >I can't remember what the second question was. > >Thanks for any help, Jury's out. FWIW I like it. The Astralasia remix SOTA 4-track is dead good, IM everso HO. Before buying the import, try ordering it at somewhere with a computer like HMV. It should be like ?4.99, if still available. Probably not. Cat # is 4R1CD (For Real). I think Pinnacle distributed it. -- Jon From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Sep 23 11:52:06 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 23:52:06 +0800 Subject: Spirit of the Age CD (& Alien4/Aliens) In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980923144610.02e85b84@pop.eunet.no> Message-ID: > >Is it just a CD EP from the Solstice Reconstructions (or > whatever its called > > - I don't have this)? > >Is it worth collecting for rarity anyway? > > Its worth collecting for the interesting tracks and the tasty cover art! > You have probably seen the Griffin version of the Quark EP... (a personal > peeve: the cheap lookin' printing on the Griffin editions! It looks like > they shoot all the art from the printed EBS ones or used a bad > color copier > or something!) > > Anyway, an excellent CD, especially noted for the great lost techno-ish 9 > minute energetic Hawkwind freakout "Black Sun", a couple of weird bouncy > remixes of "Uncle Sam's On Mars" by Astralasia, and an edited version of > the rearranged live "Spirit of The Age" from Business Trip. > The one you describe here is the Quark CD (which is worth getting). The Spirit of the Age CD is 4 remixes of this track. William From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Wed Sep 23 12:10:05 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:10:05 -0400 Subject: Enhanced CDs (Thoughts on KISS' Psycho Circus) Message-ID: Reminds me of Aerosmith's Nine Lives. When I opened it a little piece of paper fell out that said something to the effect of, "This is an enhanced CD, it contains some really cool stuff that some of you may be able to run. If you can't don't bother us about it since it was free anyway." > I do have some gripes about the so-called "Enhanced CD" though. > First of all, you need a PC to take advantage of the interactive > stuff (access to the new KISS website, screensaver). Yeah, > maybe over 90% of the world uses PCs - but there are a significant > number of Macintosh users, and it would take a rocket scientist > to have designed a Mac interface as well. For a band as rich as > KISS, there's no excuse for not going the extra mile. Also, for > whatever reason, my CD-playing software "hiccups" many times (at > different places) while playing the disc on my computer, causing > me to have to restart it -- I don't have this problem with any > other CD. Finally, there were some soundfiles that I was able > to play, which are supposed to be used when you use the interactive > portion of the disc - it has the band talking about the interactive > section, and the new KISS website. It sounds as if the band just > read stuff off of cue cards. Paul did most of the talking, and > he was o.k., but Gene sounds terrible - he sounds like he has > absolutely no clue about what he's saying. But, then again, I > bought this CD for the MUSIC, and it did not dissappoint. > > John > From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 23 13:11:23 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 18:11:23 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind trivia spotted In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:46:25 +0100 Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > Last night the Brit Channel 5 were advertising their weekend wares: Xena > - Warrior Princess et al. The background music to the ad was Silver Machine. Dave Brock in Xena Warrior Princess. Now there's a thought. Actually I was brooding on a "If Only They Had Met" theme the other night and wondered what a conversation between Bob Calvert and John Lennon would have been like. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Sep 23 14:03:28 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 19:03:28 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind trivia spotted Message-ID: Does this mean Hawkwind's dancers will henceforth dress up in Xena outfits? -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Sep 23 14:50:46 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (zeitgeist-scot) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 19:50:46 +0100 Subject: OFF: MAGNUM/BOB CATLEY Message-ID: I've just heard a preview track off Bob Catleys forthcoming debut solo album and it's an absolute killer. The albums due out early October. Z Bob Catley - The Scream (from "The Tower" ===================================== ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com PO Box 13499, Edinburgh, EH6 8YL, UK Phone 0966-389732, Fax 0131-467-1827 e-mail zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com ===================================== From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Sep 23 15:47:13 1998 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 19:47:13 GMT Subject: Hawkwind trivia spotted In-Reply-To: <199809231711.SAA26777@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Sep 1998 18:11:23 +0100, you sent through the ether: >Actually I was brooding on a "If Only They Had Met" theme the other >night and wondered what a conversation between Bob Calvert and John >Lennon would have been like. Class war. ;) -Steve From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Sep 23 16:01:59 1998 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:01:59 EDT Subject: HW: For Sale on Newsgroups Message-ID: Subject: Hawkwind + related -- For Sale From: Andy Date: Tue, Sep 22, 1998 13:15 EDT Message-id: I have the following VINYL for sale: To reply, remove: SPAM?NeineDanke! from email address: ande_tucker at hotmail.SPAM?NeineDanke!.com ====== H A W K W I N D ====== LP - Hawklords 25 Years On with obi strip and lyric sheet M/M (JAPANESE 1978) = $100 7" - Silver Machine/7 By 7 = $100 EX/EX (Israel 1972 in PS) 7" - Silver Machine/S Machine/Psych Warlords = $10 M/EX (UK 10th anniversary 1982 in PS) 7" - Silver Machine/S Machine/Psych Warlords = $15 M/no PS issued (UK *PICTURE DISC*) 7" - Silver Machine/7 BY 7 = $10 M/no PS issued (UK Warrior logo PICTURE DISC) 7" - Kerb Crawler/Honky Dorky = $15 EX/no PS issued (UK 1976) 7" - Back on The Streets/Dream Of Isis = $15 EX/no PS issued (UK 1977) 7" - Quark Strangeness & Charm/Forge Of Vulcan = $15 EX/no PS issued (UK 1977) 7" - Psi Power/Death Trap = $15 EX/no PS issued (UK 1977) 2xLP- Business Of The Future = $20 M/M UK fold out sleeve LP - The Cyberspace Conspiracy = $10 M/M Numbered limited edition of 250 ====== H A W K W I N D R E L A T E D ====== LP - Captain Lockheed (BGO reissue) = $14 M/M UK gatefold sleeve LP - Lucky Leif (BGO reissue) = $14 M/M UK gatefold sleeve 7" - Pressurehed (Niks backing band) = $2 The Right Stuff/Man In Static Numbered limited edition of 500 in P/S 7" - Lunar Malice (ex PINK FAIRIES) = $3 Gunfire In The Night/Touched By The Fire Inc Mick Farren & Andy Colquhoun. Numbered limited edition of 500 on clear vinyl in P/S CAS - Harvey Bainbridge = $5 Interstellar Chaos (UK Cassette) Gradings according Record Collector magazine, disc/sleeve. Postage extra at cost. From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Wed Sep 23 16:21:13 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David G) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 21:21:13 +0100 Subject: HW: Bring it on Home Message-ID: Stephen Lindsey wrote: > And I think the Buskers version is the same as on the > 'White Boy Blues' compilation too. > > Steve L. > > > David G writes: > > > > > Does anyone know if the version of Bring it on Home that is featured on > > > Buskers is the same as the version on a strange compilation cassette I > > > found in a boot sale? The cassette is simply called Hawkwind and seems > > > to be on Knight records with a release date of 1990. Copyright is > > > credited to Bronze throughout, but that doesn't seem to tie in with the > > > vintage of some of the tracks which span at least 12 years that I can > > > identify. catalogue number is KNMC10017. > > > > This is almost certainly a tape of the Night Riding CD - tracklist: > > Silver Machine / Shot Down in the Night / Levitation / Dust of Time / > > Motorway City / Masters of the Universe / Motorhead / Bring It on > > Home / Angels of Death / You Shouldn't Do That. See the Codex for > > the different versions used in this compilation. Note however that > > although there is only one version of 'Bring It On Home' in the Codex > > i.e. this version is identical on all the albums it appears on - the > > track on the Buskers album is (from what I remember) quite different. > > However the Buskers album doesn't feature in the Codex 'cos it's a > > solo album and doesn't count! > That would seem to be it, yes. That just leaves the entertaining task of continuing to try to find a copy of Buskers and/or White Boy Blues, both of which have eluded me for a very long time indeed! Thanks for the info DaveG > > > > jill > > > > =========================================================================== > > J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk > > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM Wed Sep 23 16:46:27 1998 From: john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM (john.m.gray) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:46:27 -0700 Subject: Time of the Hawklords - Hardcover Message-ID: In case anyone is interested, I found this for sale: TIME OF THE HAWKLORDS, THE by MOORCOCK, Michael & Michael Butterworth UK: Aidan Ellis 1976 1st British HB. Dusty top edge otherwise F in dj. Science Fiction The price of the book is US$ 50.00 Please reference the seller's book # 104132 when ordering. The seller is Second Story Books-Mystery & Science Fic 12160 Parklawn Drive , Rockville, MD, U.S.A., 20852. Ph: 301-468-9689. Fax: 301-770-9544. Terms of sale: Shipping = $4.50 for 1st book; $.75 for each additional book. Please call for international rates. Books are returnable for any reason within two (2) weeks. 20% reciprocal dealer discount. http://www.abebooks.com/cgi/abe.exe/routera^_pr=oi^_ph=1^_bi=12345322 Back to lurking, John From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Wed Sep 23 17:31:45 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:31:45 -0500 Subject: BOC: theme Message-ID: > If anybody's looking for a BOC theme, especially one if you don't have > > Win Plus, this one here is pretty cool, im using it right now actually. > > . . > > > > http://www2.iworld.net/nonags/themes1.html > > I'm still learning about computers, basically. What exactly is a > "theme"? > > -- Nick Well you need Win 95 or 98, and if you do just download the "Desktop themes installer" at this address http://www2.iworld.net/nonags/desktop.html#Desktop Themes Installer then download the BOC theme, uncompress both in the same folder and run the installer, trust me you will think this is cool, and if you don't, you'll be able to uninstall it by going to the "add/remove program icon" in the "my computer" icon which will be on your desktop. Hope this helps. . . Laj -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Wed Sep 23 17:37:10 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:37:10 -0500 Subject: OFF: Tony Levin Message-ID: John A Swartz wrote: > All this talk about Tony Levin reminds me of another of my favorite artists: > Barbara Kessler. She's a folksinger (you heard that right) from the Boston > area, and she's got one of the most amazing voices I've every heard. > Anyway, Tony plays on a few tracks of her 1996 release, "notion". If > you get a chance to hear this CD, go for it (ya gotta wander over to the > folk music section of your CD store though). Tony's bassplaying on her > album is quite good, but the CD sticks out not for his playing, but for > Barbara's voice. > > John Another remarkable woman in the voice department would have to be Natalie Merchant of 10'000 Maniacs fame. From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Sep 23 20:25:06 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:25:06 -0400 Subject: HW: For Sale on Newsgroups Message-ID: I know of this Ande Tucker. I have either dealt with him, or at one time WAS GOING to deal with him, but lost his addy or something. Was he the person from whom you used to be able to order the book "born to go?" I just remember his name. It seems to have a general positivity attached to it. Oh well. rj From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Thu Sep 24 03:11:04 1998 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 17:11:04 +1000 Subject: OFF: Online 2nd Hand CD purchasing Message-ID: Howdy all, I was just wondering if anyone knew any good places to purchase 2nd hand CDs on the net? A friend has just had his whole collection stolen and wants to replace them. He's looking for singles and albums from bands like Pink Floyd, the Beatles, Plant & Page, and suchlike. I'm familiar with a couple of sites myself, but was wondering if people knew any reliable ones with a good range... Thanks, - Max Wilcox From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Sep 24 00:24:32 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 04:24:32 +0000 Subject: OFF: Tony Levin Message-ID: > Another remarkable woman in the voice department would have to be Natalie > Merchant of 10'000 Maniacs fame. I must admit, I have very little female-sung music in my collection. However, someone who's really starting to win me over is Tori Amos. I don't really know the words to any of her songs yet, but the music itself is, at times, amazing....really touches something deep within. She's kind of a modern Kate Bush, but without all the silliness. -- Nick From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Sep 24 06:26:35 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:26:35 +0100 Subject: OFF: MAGNUM/BOB CATLEY Message-ID: zeitgeist-scot wrote: > I've just heard a preview track off Bob Catleys forthcoming debut solo > > album and it's an absolute killer. The albums due out early October. > > Z > Bob Catley - The Scream (from "The Tower" > ===================================== > ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER > > http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com > > PO Box 13499, Edinburgh, EH6 8YL, UK > > Phone 0966-389732, Fax 0131-467-1827 > e-mail zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com > ===================================== The whole album's bloody good (on first listening anyway). Far more Mgnum than Hard Rain are. If anyone wants to read any reviews of this album, go to Annie's Hard Rain site at http://www.hard-rain.demon.co.uk I'm currently totally redoing my Magnum site, but if anyone wants to have a look, drop in at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6717 I'm hoping to redo the existing content this week, and get the new stuff up by the end of next (including my own Catley review) - but I'd like to hear what anyone thinks of the new first draft designs. Cheers, Rich. rich-l at geocities.com From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 23 16:36:14 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 21:36:14 +0100 Subject: HW: Alan Davey in Cambridge Message-ID: Should have done this a long time ago 8-( Paul was absolutely right about this! If anyone is going to see Alan Davey in Cambridge and happens to meet up with him it might be worth checking that he knows that the Cellar Venue in South Shields on Saturday 26 September isn't happening. Possibly he's already arranged to play somewhere else (if so I'd love to know where!) but when I spoke to the guys at the Cellar, as far as they are concerned there has been a change of Management and though he was booked to play under the old Management, the new Management haven't got him on their books any more. Sigh. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Sep 24 09:08:31 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:08:31 +0100 Subject: HW: For Sale on Newsgroups In-Reply-To: sprawl's message of Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:25:06 -0400 Message-ID: sprawl writes: > I know of this Ande Tucker. I have either dealt with him, or at one > time WAS GOING to deal with him, but lost his addy or something. > > Was he the person from whom you used to be able to order the book "born > to go?" Ande used to be in mail order over this side of the pond and then migrated to greater things in the States 8-) He was doing stuff for Pressurehed for a while I think and had contacts with Mick Farren. Not sure what he's doing now but I always found him approachable and reliable and a fair amount of my Hawkwind collection is courtesy of his trade! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Sep 24 06:28:42 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 11:28:42 +0100 Subject: HW: For Sale on Newsgroups In-Reply-To: sprawl's message of Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:25:06 -0400 Message-ID: sprawl writes: > I know of this Ande Tucker. I have either dealt with him, or at one > time WAS GOING to deal with him, but lost his addy or something. Yeah, I used to trade with Ande a lot and even met him for a quick tour of 3 gigs a few years ago. > Was he the person from whom you used to be able to order the book "born > to go?" That was Dave Watson. > I just remember his name. It seems to have a general positivity > attached to it. Yeah, Ande is one of the Good Guys. FoFP From hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU Thu Sep 24 11:54:23 1998 From: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU (hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:54:23 -0500 Subject: remasters In-Reply-To: <199809241028.LAA10309@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: does anyone know if there exist, or if anyone plans to make, digitally remastered versions of boc recordings? *Especially* the first three. I have in mind something like what Castle has done for Black Sabbath CDs.... thanks, TRickert From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Sep 24 13:27:41 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:27:41 -0400 Subject: remasters Message-ID: >does anyone know if there exist, or if anyone plans to make, digitally remastered versions of boc recordings? *Especially* the first three. Would be nice. Don't know of any plans at the moment, but who knows? Mobile Fidelity did remaster Agents of Fortune, and a Gold Disc version is available (which is actually very nice). Perhaps if it and Heaven Forbid sell well, there will be interest. However, with the current status of BOC, I have my doubts that it will happen. John From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Sep 24 13:55:36 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:55:36 -0400 Subject: BOC: remasters In-Reply-To: <199809241727.NAA28269@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 24 Sep 1998, John A Swartz wrote: => >does anyone know if there exist, or if anyone plans to make, digitally => remastered versions of boc recordings? *Especially* the first three. => => Would be nice. Don't know of any plans at the moment, but who knows? => Mobile Fidelity did remaster Agents of Fortune, and a Gold Disc version => is available (which is actually very nice). Perhaps if it and Heaven => Forbid sell well, there will be interest. However, with the current => status of BOC, I have my doubts that it will happen. Maybe we need to start a big write-in campaign pestering DCC Compact Classics to remaster the first three? If they do even *half* the primo job they did on _Aqualung_, the results will be beyond everyone's wildest dreams! (With the caveat that people say the mixing of, say, the first album is crappy, and so remastering won't fix that.) Cheers, Paul. NP: Laibach, _Let it Be_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Thu Sep 24 10:17:26 1998 From: henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:17:26 +0200 Subject: VB: Black Widow II. Message-ID: -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr?n: Henrik Hallgren Diskussionsgrupper: alt.music.progressive,alt.music.psychedelic,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive,alt.rock-n-roll.psychedelic,fj.rec.music.progressive,rec.music.progressive Datum: den 24 september 1998 16:16 ?mne: Black Widow II. >Hi there! > >I?m Henrik from Sweden and I?ve jsut discovered Black widow from UK. >I?ve bought "Sacrifice", "IV" and "III" but it seems like "II" is deleted. >Anyone out there that can get it for me? >I would appreciate it very much. > >Thanks in advance > >Henrik > > From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Thu Sep 24 14:34:34 1998 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (J. Scruton) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:34:34 -0400 Subject: BOC: remasters and Agents In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 01:55 PM 9/24/98 -0400, you wrote: >On Thu, 24 Sep 1998, John A Swartz wrote: > >=> >does anyone know if there exist, or if anyone plans to make, digitally >=> remastered versions of boc recordings? *Especially* the first three. >=> >=> Would be nice. Don't know of any plans at the moment, but who knows? >=> Mobile Fidelity did remaster Agents of Fortune, and a Gold Disc version >=> is available (which is actually very nice). I'll be damned if I can remember which guitar magazine out recently featured AoF in a nice 2/3 page inset under the header of "classic albums" or somesuch, features some comments by Roeser on the whole shebang. Including the origins behind the mighty DFtR solo. (I didnt buy it, I just read the mag for that one article wheich I stumbled upon) Jason From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Sep 24 14:51:53 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:51:53 EDT Subject: BOC: remasters and Agents In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980924143434.006933e8@mail1.wizvax.net> Message-ID: > From: "J. Scruton" > I'll be damned if I can remember which guitar magazine out recently > featured AoF in a nice 2/3 page inset under the header of "classic albums" > or somesuch, features some comments by Roeser on the whole shebang. > Including the origins behind the mighty DFtR solo. (I didnt buy it, I just > read the mag for that one article wheich I stumbled upon) > > Jason It was Guitar World, last month's issue. Damned if I can remember who's on the cover. A very nice essay indeed. GW seems to have a soft spot for BOC, which is fine with me. BTW, another guitar mag, Guitar Shop, used to feature a regular column from Buck, whering he reviewed new gear. Seemed like he was always reviewing effects devices. Which is odd, given that he doesn't use a lot of toys in his live rig... theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Sep 24 15:41:59 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:41:59 -0400 Subject: BOC: remasters and Agents Message-ID: >I'll be damned if I can remember which guitar magazine out recently featured AoF in a nice 2/3 page inset under the header of "classic albums" or somesuch, features some comments by Roeser on the whole shebang. Including the origins behind the mighty DFtR solo. (I didnt buy it, I just read the mag for that one article wheich I stumbled upon) Was that not the Oct. Guitarworld with Gene Simmons (KISS) on the cover? John From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Sep 24 16:17:38 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (zeitgeist-scot) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 21:17:38 +0100 Subject: VB: Black Widow II. In-Reply-To: <000201bde7e7$d9f33be0$4ecc143e@peace-of-mind> Message-ID: Hi Henrik, Another quick thank you for the CDs you sent. The next issue of Zeitgeist will be out in about 3 weeks, so you'll get a copy then. Black Widow! Takes me back to looning about a dance floor to "Come To The Sabbat" while 200 hundred unimpressed bikers looked on. Happy days. An Italian company was reissuing the Black Widow stuff, but I've forgotten their name. However, one of your compatriots runs a Black Widow site at http://hem2.passagen.se/blkwidow/ So he should if anyone does. Regards, Stuart NP Thelonious Monks Greatest Hits At 16:17 24/09/1998 +0200, you wrote: >>Hi there! >> >>I?m Henrik from Sweden and I?ve jsut discovered Black widow from UK. >>I?ve bought "Sacrifice", "IV" and "III" but it seems like "II" is deleted. >>Anyone out there that can get it for me? >>I would appreciate it very much. >> >>Thanks in advance >> >>Henrik >> >> > ===================================== ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com PO Box 13499, Edinburgh, EH6 8YL, UK Phone 0966-389732, Fax 0131-467-1827 e-mail zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com ===================================== From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Sep 24 16:23:33 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 21:23:33 +0100 Subject: OFF: Tony Levin In-Reply-To: <199809240825.EAA03079@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: > I must admit, I have very little female-sung music in my collection. > However, someone who's really starting to win me over is Tori Amos. I > don't really know the words to any of her songs yet, but the music > itself is, at times, amazing....really touches something deep within. > She's kind of a modern Kate Bush, but without all the silliness. Tori, schmori. Hush or you'll get me started on my long-standing infatuation with Myl?ne Farmer. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From adawson at CLARA.NET Thu Sep 24 17:18:09 1998 From: adawson at CLARA.NET (Andrew Dawson) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 22:18:09 +0100 Subject: HW: Widowmaker In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 09:07 23/09/98 +0100, you wrote: >They also had a track on one of the Old grey whistle test albums. Does >anyone know if they ever appeared on the show? > >Mike w > > Yes thats right. The track is "Aint Tellin You Nothin" The Old Grey Whistle Test Take 2 - Super Beeb BEDP 001 1976 Too far in the murky past to recall if they were on the show or not. Three tracks also appear on the Jet records compilation "Metallergy" JETMP 228 1980. On the Road Too Late to Cry When I Met You Andy Andrew Dawson adawson at clara.net Into Hawkwind ? Then check out the Worldwide discography. http://home.clara.net/adawson From clemens at TRAIL.COM Thu Sep 24 19:01:49 1998 From: clemens at TRAIL.COM (Clemens) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 17:01:49 -0600 Subject: In my local store Message-ID: In the used bins I saw: Brock's Strange Trip & Pipe Dreams and Simon House's Yassassim Anyone needing either of these can contact me directly Mark L. clemens at trail.com From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Thu Sep 24 19:33:54 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 19:33:54 -0400 Subject: HW: For Sale on (Ande Tucker) Message-ID: I remember him now. He is the person I got my Undisclosed Files LP from when it first came out.. The deal went well, if I recall correctly. Think I would remember if it hadn't. Thanks Jill! rj J Strobridge wrote: > > sprawl writes: > > > I know of this Ande Tucker. I have either dealt with him, or at one > > time WAS GOING to deal with him, but lost his addy or something. > > > > Was he the person from whom you used to be able to order the book "born > > to go?" > > Ande used to be in mail order over this side of the pond and then > migrated to greater things in the States 8-) He was doing stuff for > Pressurehed for a while I think and had contacts with Mick Farren. Not > sure what he's doing now but I always found him approachable and > reliable and a fair amount of my Hawkwind collection is courtesy of his > trade! > > jill > > =========================================================================== > J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Thu Sep 24 19:36:29 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 19:36:29 -0400 Subject: OFF: Online 2nd Hand CD purchasing Message-ID: Haven't looked for music on there, but they seem to have everything else... didja look at ebay? ( www.ebay.com) Online auction. Got some pc components there very cheap! rj Max Wilcox wrote: > > Howdy all, > > I was just wondering if anyone knew any good places to purchase 2nd > hand CDs on the net? A friend has just had his whole collection stolen and > wants to replace them. He's looking for singles and albums from bands like Pink > Floyd, the Beatles, Plant & Page, and suchlike. I'm familiar with a couple of > sites myself, but was wondering if people knew any reliable ones with a good > range... > Thanks, > > - Max Wilcox From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Sep 25 04:15:07 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:15:07 +0100 Subject: HW: Widowmaker In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980924221809.007a3b70@clara.net> Message-ID: In article <3.0.1.32.19980924221809.007a3b70 at clara.net>, Andrew Dawson writes > >Too far in the murky past to recall if they were on the show or not. Yes, they were. I remember seeing it. I was about 10 at the time. Made no impact on me musically, but I seem to remember liking the name. -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Sep 25 04:59:22 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:59:22 +0100 Subject: HW- Nik in London gig.... Message-ID: reposted from the Moorcock list.... ________________________________________________________________________ I had a flyer through from someone who appears to be called Tonal D, and who appears to be with a band that might or might not be called 46.000 Fibr?s, who on Sunday, 8th November, are apparently performing at a gig at the Red Rose Club, 129 Seven Sisters Road, London, N7, together with Nik Turner and Lol Coxhill... I think... Sorry if this all seems a little vague. The flyer's not a clear as it could be, and I guess anyone interested should contact the venue for more details. JD ________________________________________________________________________ -- Jon From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Sep 25 05:39:16 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:39:16 +0100 Subject: HW: Bedouin Message-ID: Yeeeow! Andy, you missed a *ripping* gig from Bedouin in Cambridge last night! (Though I did manage to flog your ticket.) It was loud, it was heavy, and it _rocked_. I think the description of Bedouin as a "psychedelic Motorhead" is not too far off. Alan Davey may be playing smaller venues with his new band than he was with Hawkwind, but he's definitely turned up the intensity and the volume. And I think they pretty much blew most of the Hawkwind I've seen away. "That," said Alan after the gig, "is why I left Hawkwind. Dave [Brock] would be shouting 'you're too loud!'." Bedouin are yer basic three-piece, though with Davey at the helm that means the bass (Rickenbacker, of course) is the second lead guitar--there are some synths going on, mostly handled by Davey stomping on something that looked like it started life as a set of organ foot pedals. The synths add some colour, but are mostly a bit of background swirl behind a roar of cranked amps and auto-cannon drumming. Bedouin are space rock flying rapidly towards space metal. And even Lemmy might have to agree that they kicked ass. They're planning another tour in February, having so far been asked back by every venue they've been playing on this tour. Be there, be very deaf :) My ears may stop ringing eventually. I'm *strongly* tempted to go see them in London despite the fact that that gig conflicts with Motorhead in Cambridge on the 14th. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Sep 25 05:46:32 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:46:32 +0100 Subject: HW: Alan Davey in Cambridge Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 23, 1998 9:36 pm +0100 "J Strobridge" wrote: > If anyone is going to see Alan Davey in Cambridge and happens to meet > up with him it might be worth checking that he knows that the Cellar > Venue in South Shields on Saturday 26 September isn't happening. Yup, they said they knew about this. There was one other cancellation as well, though I don't remember where. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Sep 25 07:23:43 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:23:43 EDT Subject: BOC: remasters and Agents In-Reply-To: <199809241941.PAA23805@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > > >I'll be damned if I can remember which guitar magazine out recently > featured AoF in a nice 2/3 page inset under the header of "classic albums" > or somesuch, features some comments by Roeser on the whole shebang. > Including the origins behind the mighty DFtR solo. (I didnt buy it, I just > read the mag for that one article wheich I stumbled upon) > > Was that not the Oct. Guitarworld with Gene Simmons (KISS) on the cover? > > John You are correct sir! E. McMahon From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Sep 25 08:15:16 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:15:16 +0100 Subject: HW: Alan Davey in Cambridge In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:46:32 +0100 Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > up with him it might be worth checking that he knows that the Cellar > > Venue in South Shields on Saturday 26 September isn't happening. > > Yup, they said they knew about this. obviously not rescheduled - natch, there goes my weekend plans 8-( thanks for the review! yrs enviously jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Sep 25 09:19:08 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:19:08 -0400 Subject: OFF: Online 2nd Hand CD purchasing Message-ID: >Haven't looked for music on there, but they seem to have everything else... didja look at ebay? ( www.ebay.com) Online auction. Got some pc components there very cheap! I've recently discovered Ebay too -- I managed to find BOC's Harvest Moon and Live For Me singles there! BTW, I have a number of items for auction there right now. Anybody need an Ozzy Osbourne or Iron Maiden tour program? ;-) John From als24 at CAM.AC.UK Fri Sep 25 11:14:19 1998 From: als24 at CAM.AC.UK (A.L. Shefl) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 16:14:19 +0100 Subject: HW: Bedouin In-Reply-To: <345469.3115708756@mac016.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: Setlist for the Cambridge gig, in which I have avoided parenthetical comments such as 'I liked this one too', or 'this blew away the HW version(s) I've heard' and avoided other, similarly gratuitous commentary such as the obvious 'Go to one of their gigs *now*' which instead is cunningly disguised in the preamble to the setlist: The Call Queen of the Night Vision Quest Raga Dance Ancient Light Demons in (?) Delight Wings Rock Palace Sputnik Stan Passion Is an Animal Sword of the East Chasing the Dragon LSD (encore) which added up to about 1 hour, 45 minutes for those in the outside world anna -- -----A.L.-Shefl,-Clare-Hall----------------------------- WARNING: Intentional misuse by deliberately concentrating, sniffing, or inhaling this e-mail can be harmful. --------University of Cambridge----------------------but my ideas permanent e-mail address: [my first name]ls at chiark.greenend.org.uk From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Sep 25 11:43:32 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 16:43:32 +0100 Subject: HW: Bedouin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: OK, OK, I may be spiritually poorer for having missed this but believe me, I'll be financially much richer for working late yesterday and early today! (At least when the buggers pay up.) The London date is Oct 14, at West One Four, which isn't a venue I know but used to be called the Orange. See y'all there I guess. - Andy ObCD: Friends of Dean Martinez - _The Shadow of Your Smile_ mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of A.L. Shefl > Sent: 25 September 1998 16:14 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: HW: Bedouin > > > Setlist for the Cambridge gig, in which I have avoided parenthetical > comments such as 'I liked this one too', or 'this blew away the HW > version(s) I've heard' and avoided other, similarly gratuitous commentary > such as the obvious 'Go to one of their gigs *now*' which instead is > cunningly disguised in the preamble to the setlist: > > The Call > Queen of the Night > Vision Quest > Raga Dance > Ancient Light > Demons in (?) Delight > Wings > Rock Palace > Sputnik Stan > Passion Is an Animal > Sword of the East > Chasing the Dragon > LSD (encore) > > which added up to about 1 hour, 45 minutes for those in the outside world > > anna > > -- > -----A.L.-Shefl,-Clare-Hall----------------------------- > WARNING: Intentional misuse by deliberately concentrating, > sniffing, or inhaling this e-mail can be harmful. > --------University of Cambridge----------------------but my ideas > permanent e-mail address: [my first name]ls at chiark.greenend.org.uk > From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Fri Sep 25 11:59:28 1998 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:59:28 EDT Subject: OFF: FEMALE SINGERS Message-ID: In a message dated 98-09-24 16:25:03 EDT, you write: << Tori, schmori. Hush or you'll get me started on my long-standing infatuation with Myl?ne Farmer. >> Farmer Schmarmer. Check this out DIAMANDA GALAS http://www.brainwashed.com/diamanda/Diamanda.shtml regards, Bill Stewart From hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU Fri Sep 25 15:24:54 1998 From: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU (hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 14:24:54 -0500 Subject: new boc Message-ID: I'm new to this list, so I apologize if this question has already been hashed over. But what does the new boc cd sound like, and is it any good? thanks, TRickert From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Sep 25 16:07:26 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (zeitgeist-scot) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 21:07:26 +0100 Subject: new boc In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well that should start a few people off! Consensus seems to be a definite hit. IMHO it's probably the best sounding BOC ever. A few average tracks, but overall one of the best releases this year. I'm a mid-period BOC fan and miss some of the more experimental sounds, but I assume that the Brain Surgeons will fill that void. Go buy. Z NP Roy Harper - Once [on tour in the UK in October!!] At 14:24 25/09/1998 -0500, you wrote: >I'm new to this list, so I apologize if this question has already been >hashed over. But what does the new boc cd sound like, and is it any good? > >thanks, >TRickert > ===================================== ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com PO Box 13499, Edinburgh, EH6 8YL, UK Phone 0966-389732, Fax 0131-467-1827 e-mail zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com ===================================== From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Sep 25 16:38:35 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 21:38:35 +0100 Subject: OFF: FEMALE SINGERS In-Reply-To: <8fd63c4b.360bbde0@aol.com> Message-ID: Whoa! Now we're getting serious! Diamanda Galas will fry the brains of the weak of will. However, both she and Myl?ne have done versions of pieces by Baudelaire (_The Litanies of Satan_, and "L'horloge" off of _Ainsi soit-je_). Not that they've much else in common! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Bill Stewart > Sent: 25 September 1998 16:59 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: OFF: FEMALE SINGERS > > > In a message dated 98-09-24 16:25:03 EDT, you write: > > << > Tori, schmori. Hush or you'll get me started on my long-standing > infatuation with Myl?ne Farmer. >> > Farmer Schmarmer. Check this out DIAMANDA GALAS > http://www.brainwashed.com/diamanda/Diamanda.shtml > > regards, > Bill Stewart > From khaywolf at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Sep 25 19:51:35 1998 From: khaywolf at GEOCITIES.COM (Wolf Klauschie) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 16:51:35 -0700 Subject: HW: Aliens Message-ID: "Aliens" is Alien 4. I just got it from Amazon. The only thing on it that says "Aliens" is a sticker. From adawson at CLARA.NET Sat Sep 26 04:35:52 1998 From: adawson at CLARA.NET (Andrew Dawson) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 09:35:52 +0100 Subject: HW: Aliens In-Reply-To: <360C2C87.3350ABAD@geocities.com> Message-ID: At 16:51 25/09/98 -0700, you wrote: >"Aliens" is Alien 4. I just got it from Amazon. The only thing on it >that says "Aliens" is a sticker. > > Thanks for that. Whats the catalogue number and Record Company?. Presumably it's the EBS release Andy Andrew Dawson adawson at clara.net Into Hawkwind ? Then check out the Worldwide discography. http://home.clara.net/adawson From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Sep 26 06:01:17 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (zeitgeist-scot) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 11:01:17 +0100 Subject: HW - Live Chronicles Message-ID: I've just bought the 'new' 2CD version, and it's actually a very nice release at budget price, what with the 15 track sampler and booklet, but was it absolutely necessary to have 2 tracks off Live Chronicles on the bonus disc! Z NP Live Chronicles ===================================== ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com PO Box 13499, Edinburgh, EH6 8YL, UK Phone 0966-389732, Fax 0131-467-1827 e-mail zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com ===================================== From khaywolf at GEOCITIES.COM Sat Sep 26 13:54:32 1998 From: khaywolf at GEOCITIES.COM (Wolf Klauschie) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 10:54:32 -0700 Subject: HW: Aliens Message-ID: Andrew Dawson wrote: > > At 16:51 25/09/98 -0700, you wrote: > >"Aliens" is Alien 4. I just got it from Amazon. The only thing on it > >that says "Aliens" is a sticker. > > > > > Thanks for that. > Whats the catalogue number and Record Company?. > Presumably it's the EBS release The label says EBS CD 118 125.0118.26/380P and the sticker says 22D GRF 118 Wolf Klauschie From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Sat Sep 26 18:55:41 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 17:55:41 -0500 Subject: OFF: Tony Levin Message-ID: > > > I must admit, I have very little female-sung music in my collection. > However, someone who's really starting to win me over is Tori Amos. I > don't really know the words to any of her songs yet, but the music > itself is, at times, amazing....really touches something deep within. > She's kind of a modern Kate Bush, but without all the silliness. > > -- Nick Tori Amos hay, haven't really heard allot of her stuff, a friend of mine has a few of her albums i'll have to check her out. Laj From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Sat Sep 26 19:08:18 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 18:08:18 -0500 Subject: new boc Message-ID: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU wrote: > I'm new to this list, so I apologize if this question has already been > hashed over. But what does the new boc cd sound like, and is it any good? > > thanks, > TRickert Well it's similar to the other BOC albums in the way it KICKS TOTAL ASS, buy it Trickert I promise you won't be disappointed, buy a few copies for your friends too I promise they won't be disappointed either. My opinion is not biased due to the fact I am a Cult fan, in fact this is the band i'm probably the most critical of. Heaven Forbid by the Blue Oyster Cult exceeded all my expectations, and when it comes to the Cult, my expectations are very high. Happy listening :-). From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Sat Sep 26 19:54:23 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 18:54:23 -0500 Subject: remasters Message-ID: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU wrote: > does anyone know if there exist, or if anyone plans to make, digitally > remastered versions of boc recordings? *Especially* the first three. > I have in mind something like what Castle has done for Black Sabbath > CDs.... > > thanks, > TRickert They definitely don't exist, and there are currently no plans to remaster any to my knowledge. since Columbia records owns the rights to these albums I guess it's up to them to remaster them, I think that's right. Columbia never seemed to care allot about BOC, nor did they really ever seem to understand them, except for Krugman and maybe a few others. If the Cult were on a smaller label maybe they would of appreciated them more. Columbia never seemed to sell them that well, Cultosaures made it to #12 on the U.K. Billboard chart and with absolutely no help from Columbia. Well we can all keep hoping I guess, they should be, stranger things have happened. If you have a pretty good stereo with good speakers, and a good equalizer too, you can add allot of dynamics to those old Cult albums ;-). From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Sat Sep 26 20:33:34 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 19:33:34 -0500 Subject: BOC: Light Speed Message-ID: Hi all, I was watching Flight of the Navigator, a Disney movie a few days ago on T.V., ya I was board, anyway the movie is about this kid from 1978 who gets abducted by this "Star Ship" and he is taken on some faster than light journey, when he returns to Earth a few hours later he finds out everybody else has aged 8 years. This is a theoretical term called Light Speed Theory, and it got me to thinking about the lyric in Monsters "flew so fast that we grew younger". I don't know for sure, but I would say they are making a reference to Light Speed Theory, sure would fit the BOC motif anyway. Speaking of Star Ships just two more days till the Star Trek DS9 season premier, and for those BOC fans that are also Trekers do you remember the DS9 episode Visionary, aired 2/27/95, the writer was none other than John Shirley. Laj From henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sun Sep 27 10:08:42 1998 From: henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 16:08:42 +0200 Subject: SV: Re: VB: Black Widow II. Message-ID: Hi and thanks for your reply Stuart! Thanks for the adress, I?ll check it right away. All the best Henrik >Hi Henrik, > >Another quick thank you for the CDs you sent. The next issue of Zeitgeist >will be out in about 3 weeks, so you'll get a copy then. > >Black Widow! Takes me back to looning about a dance floor to "Come To The >Sabbat" while 200 hundred unimpressed bikers looked on. Happy days. > >An Italian company was reissuing the Black Widow stuff, but I've forgotten >their name. However, one of your compatriots runs a Black Widow site at >http://hem2.passagen.se/blkwidow/ > >So he should if anyone does. > >Regards, > >Stuart >NP Thelonious Monks Greatest Hits > >At 16:17 24/09/1998 +0200, you wrote: > >>>Hi there! >>> >>>I?m Henrik from Sweden and I?ve jsut discovered Black widow from UK. >>>I?ve bought "Sacrifice", "IV" and "III" but it seems like "II" is deleted. >>>Anyone out there that can get it for me? >>>I would appreciate it very much. >>> >>>Thanks in advance >>> >>>Henrik >>> >>> >> >===================================== >ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER > >http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com > >PO Box 13499, Edinburgh, EH6 8YL, UK > >Phone 0966-389732, Fax 0131-467-1827 >e-mail zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com >===================================== > From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sun Sep 27 13:10:48 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 01:10:48 +0800 Subject: CD search engine query? In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980917140938.0079d390@pop.dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: Hi all A few weeks back someone mentioned a search engine for finding CD's on the net. Does anyone have any info on this? William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sun Sep 27 13:31:10 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 01:31:10 +0800 Subject: CD search engine query? In-Reply-To: <000201bdea39$c5d2bd80$46453bcb@xl5> Message-ID: Hi again > A few weeks back someone mentioned a search engine for finding CD's on the > net. Does anyone have any info on this? > I found what I was looking for. It's called CDClick, and is here: http://www.cdclick.com Anyone know of any others apart from this one and GEMM?? William From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 28 05:44:02 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:44:02 +0100 Subject: OFF: A Rainy Day in Georgia... Message-ID: ... and Alabama and Mississippi There's a lot of it coming your way from what I can see. Take care and good luck jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Sep 28 08:11:13 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:11:13 +0100 Subject: OFF: FEMALE SINGERS Message-ID: Well, my old favorites are Sandy Denny and June Tabor. But more recently, Emma Hardelin of Garmarna has a superlative voice. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Sep 28 08:25:26 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:25:26 +0100 Subject: new boc Message-ID: IMO, it wasn't nearly as good as I would have _liked_, but was a lot better than what I _feared_. It's a decent, solid album with some tracks I quite like, though it doesn't exactly break a lot of new ground. The songs are pretty well crafted, though the lyrics could rather do with some improvement--lack of Bouchards and Sandy is still showing rather glaringly. But if they can build on this album with some more new recordings before long, that would be good. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Sep 28 08:35:18 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:35:18 EDT Subject: Binghamton Gig! In-Reply-To: <110363.3115977926@mac016.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: I see that BOC is playing 10 Oct at Strikezone in Binghamton. Anyone going? Torgo, you gave me some good directions to the place last time. Could you re-post them please? theo From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Mon Sep 28 08:55:03 1998 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:55:03 -0400 Subject: gigs In-Reply-To: <1679B793A34@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: At 08:35 AM 9/28/98 EDT, you wrote: >I see that BOC is playing 10 Oct at Strikezone in Binghamton. Anyone >going? Torgo, you gave me some good directions to the place last >time. Could you re-post them please? Good god, BOC is reallly playing up NY state this month.. Theres an ad for them playing on OCt 17th i Albany too. What did NY do right? Were we the only one who bought the new CD?:) Jason From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 28 08:43:09 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:43:09 +0100 Subject: OFF: FEMALE SINGERS In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:11:13 +0100 Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > Well, my old favorites are Sandy Denny and June Tabor. But > more recently, Emma Hardelin of Garmarna has a superlative voice. Annie Haslam on the early Renaissance albums is, for me, just superb! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Mon Sep 28 08:53:50 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 05:53:50 -0700 Subject: HW: Dr. Hasbeen Message-ID: Brian Tawn's newsletter mentions a CD and some cassettes by Dr. Hasbeen. Does anyone have any information on these? Kevin Sommers primiti tii taa, nnz kkr muu http://www.psn.net/~novadrive/ From Stephen.Barstow at OCEANOR.NO Mon Sep 28 08:55:03 1998 From: Stephen.Barstow at OCEANOR.NO (Stephen Barstow) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:55:03 +0200 Subject: FEMALE SINGERS Message-ID: Anyone remember Maggie Bell from Stone the Crows - I remember them as a great live band, but it's years since I've heard their music. See http://www.lesk.demon.co.uk/pages/stone.htm. I quote: "A fine, bluesy group featuring the vocal power of Maggie Bell. The band made four albums before splitting up. Jim Dewar left the band to join up with Robin Trower, co-writing many of the Trower classics including In City Dreams, Caledonia and Long Misty Days. Les Harvey, brother of Alex Harvey, was electrocuted onstage in 1972". Steve Barstow 7563 Malvik Norway > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl E. Anderson [SMTP:cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK] > Sent: Monday, September 28, 1998 2:11 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: OFF: FEMALE SINGERS > > Well, my old favorites are Sandy Denny and June Tabor. But > more recently, Emma Hardelin of Garmarna has a superlative voice. > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic > St. John's College, University of Cambridge > mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk > http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Mon Sep 28 08:59:02 1998 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:59:02 +1000 Subject: HW: Dr. Hasbeen Message-ID: Kevin Sommers wrote: > Brian Tawn's newsletter mentions a CD and some cassettes by Dr. Hasbeen. > Does anyone have any information on these? I seem to remember Mr Brock calling himself Dr Hasbeen on a video of some Hawk concert or other. I'd say that is who it is, but I most certainly could be wrong. Never mind. Oh well. Mutters. Wanders off into the corner. Max Wilcox From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Sep 28 09:04:51 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:04:51 EDT Subject: gigs In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980928085503.00692e70@mail1.wizvax.net> Message-ID: > From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision > At 08:35 AM 9/28/98 EDT, you wrote: > >I see that BOC is playing 10 Oct at Strikezone in Binghamton. Anyone > >going? Torgo, you gave me some good directions to the place last > >time. Could you re-post them please? > Good god, BOC is reallly playing up NY state this month.. Theres an ad for > them > playing on OCt 17th i Albany too. What did NY do right? Were we the only > one who bought the new CD?:) > > Jason Jason, where ya been? BOC's also playing 9 Oct in Rochester! I'm planning on doing the Deadhead thing and catching both shows. The Sat. show might be tough, as I've got something going on Sat. afternoon, but BOC doesn't usually go on 'til 11pm so I should be okay. Firday's show is a given. Which gig/s are you figuring on seeing? theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Sep 28 09:06:24 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:06:24 EDT Subject: HW: in Guitar World In-Reply-To: <360F8814.9C01BAD4@uq.net.au> Message-ID: This month's guitar World has a mini feature on the gtr player in Monster Magnet. He makes much mention of HW. HW fans should read it if you get the chance... theo From clemens at TRAIL.COM Mon Sep 28 09:25:37 1998 From: clemens at TRAIL.COM (Clemens) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:25:37 -0600 Subject: wir sind kinder cuts Message-ID: Does anyone know what cuts of Hawkwind are on the Wir Sind Kinder der Revolte: Herzberg Live vol. 1 cd? And what year the festival it is from? From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Mon Sep 28 09:28:00 1998 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:28:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Vinyl Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1998-09-28 14:28 I dug up some old HW vinyl over the weekend, blew the dust off the record deck and gave it a spin. Anyway, this got me thinking about a couple of things: 1. What has happened to the planned vinyl release of the EMI Remasters? Is star_rats still on line to answer this? I would give my high teeth to get hold of spanking new vinyl of those albums! 2. Who owns Virgin Records these days - didn't they sell out to EMI? If so, I really hope there is some plan to remaster the Charisma LPs and stick them on both vinyl and CD. Is the EMI connection right here or was it some other company that bought Virgin? Quick trivia question which came to mind after listening to the old LPs: Which Hawkwind track features repeated use of castanets? Mark From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 28 09:49:28 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:49:28 +0100 Subject: HW: Vinyl In-Reply-To: Mark Edmonds's message of Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:28:00 +0100 Message-ID: Mark Edmonds writes: > Quick trivia question which came to mind after listening to the old LPs: > Which Hawkwind track features repeated use of castanets? Mirror of Illusion? FoFP From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Mon Sep 28 09:48:17 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:48:17 -0400 Subject: gigs Message-ID: Lets not forget three dates for little ole CT this year (Woo Hoo!) Baltic Hartford New Haven (Toads) > ---------- > From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision[SMTP:js3619 at WIZVAX.NET] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: Monday, September 28, 1998 8:55 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: gigs > > At 08:35 AM 9/28/98 EDT, you wrote: > >I see that BOC is playing 10 Oct at Strikezone in Binghamton. Anyone > >going? Torgo, you gave me some good directions to the place last > >time. Could you re-post them please? > Good god, BOC is reallly playing up NY state this month.. Theres an ad for > them > playing on OCt 17th i Albany too. What did NY do right? Were we the only > one who bought the new CD?:) > > Jason > From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Mon Sep 28 10:21:08 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:21:08 +0200 Subject: wir sind kinder cuts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi At 07:25 28.09.98 -0600, you wrote: >Does anyone know what cuts of Hawkwind are on the Wir Sind Kinder der >Revolte: Herzberg Live vol. 1 cd? Love In Space (11 minutes long!!) >And what year the festival it is from? 21.07.1996 Bernhard From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Mon Sep 28 11:07:16 1998 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:07:16 -0400 Subject: BOC,BRAIN,HW : Something for everyone? In-Reply-To: <1681922211C@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: At 09:04 AM 9/28/98 EDT, you wrote: >Jason, where ya been? BOC's also playing 9 Oct in Rochester! I'm >planning on doing the Deadhead thing and catching both shows. The >Sat. show might be tough, as I've got something going on Sat. >afternoon, but BOC doesn't usually go on 'til 11pm so I should be >okay. Firday's show is a given. Which gig/s are you figuring on >seeing? Only the Albany gig my lil ole 85 accord can only make 3+ hour long trips once every 1 months:) Nonetheless, it's about time BOC starts playing more where they came from-- I think at rochester they should pay homage to the fact that the bootleg EP was recorded there by playing more uncommon BOC tunes. That and "damaged" that song would warp the dance floor with its savage groove.For you who have seen them earlier, is the set list the usual: 2,3 from HF and the rest like it always is? Quick MC 5 question: Anyone heard the CD _Ice Pick Slim_? I'm thinking of picking it up. Quicker Hawkwind question: Is Hawkwind punk? Tentative ans.: Yes. Reasons to come soon. Chillin' to the 12.26.97 BS boot from Ithaca (Gimme Nothin' wipes all other wanna be bands off the stage floor alone), Jason From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Sep 28 11:12:52 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:12:52 -0500 Subject: New BOC and Re-masters Message-ID: >I'm new to this list, so I apologize if this question has already been > hashed over. But what does the new boc cd sound like, and is it any good? > > thanks, The new BOC, Heaven Forbid is quite good. Highly recommended. As for re-masters couldn't somebody licesnse the catalog from Columbia to do this? Isn't that what happend with AoF Gold? Now if only Columbia remembers where it put the tapes... Back to lurking... Ghost in the Ruins OBCD's - Monster Magnet - Powertrip Galactic Cowboys - At the End of the Day From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Mon Sep 28 10:24:00 1998 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:24:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Vinyl Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1998-09-28 15:24 > Quick trivia question which came to mind after listening to the old LPs: > Which Hawkwind track features repeated use of castanets? >Mirror of Illusion? >FoFP Nope, not the one I am thinking of anyway. I think Mirror of Illusion uses a shaker or perhaps a cabasa (? ethnic percussion heads will correct that). However MoI is definitely unique in that is features a squeeky floorboard or door hinge! Mark From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Sep 28 11:23:03 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:23:03 EDT Subject: BOC,BRAIN,HW : Something for everyone? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980928110716.0068f578@mail1.wizvax.net> Message-ID: > From: Bolts of Ungodly Vision > Only the Albany gig my lil ole 85 accord can only make 3+ hour long trips > once every 1 months:) Nonetheless, it's about time BOC starts playing > more where they came from-- I think at rochester they should pay homage to > the fact that the bootleg EP was recorded there by playing more uncommon > BOC tunes. That and "damaged" that song would warp the dance floor with > its savage groove.For you who have seen them earlier, is the set list the > usual: 2,3 from HF and the rest like it always is? > The setlist is a bit different than last summer. They open with BFY, thus neatly getting it out of the way and keeping the end of the set from sagging a bit. They do SYIB, HM, and LFM from HF. At the Utica gig, they did Lips and Flaming Telepaths, a departure from the old list. I believe they do Teen Archer occasionally nowadays, that's why I want to go on successive nights, maybe I can bully them into doing it once. I remember being overjoyed with the setlist. They kept in great tunes like [TCt]LDoM, Buck's Boogie. Only bummer was no Stairway, but I'll make that concession to hear some other good tunes... theo From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Sep 28 11:26:03 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:26:03 +0100 Subject: HW: in Guitar World Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 28, 1998 9:06 am +0000 "Ted Jackson jr. s2h2" wrote: > This month's guitar World has a mini feature on the gtr player in > Monster Magnet. He makes much mention of HW. HW fans should read it > if you get the chance... Is that lead guitar Ed or "stun guitar" Dave Wyndorf? I recall Ed being more of a classic heavy rock (from Hendrix along thru Deep Purple) kinda guy, while Dave is what one might call "a bit of a (rabid) HawkFan" ... (Though there is, I gather, another mysterious extra guitarist these days ...) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Mon Sep 28 11:22:28 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (Ronald.Jennings) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:22:28 -0400 Subject: HW: Dr. Hasbeen Message-ID: I met some guy at one of the HW gigs. Brock adressed HIM as Dr. Hasbeen. Take it for what it's worth. rj >Kevin Sommers wrote: > >> Brian Tawn's newsletter mentions a CD and some cassettes by Dr. Hasbeen. >> Does anyone have any information on these? > > I seem to remember Mr Brock calling himself Dr Hasbeen on a >video of some Hawk concert or other. I'd say that is who it is, but I most >certainly could be wrong. Never mind. Oh well. Mutters. Wanders off into the >corner. > >Max Wilcox From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Sep 28 11:26:05 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:26:05 +0100 Subject: HW: Bedouin In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 25 Sep 1998 16:14:19 BST." Message-ID: Bedouin played a free gig here in Ipswich back in July. There's a yearly event in the park where a whole bunch of different bands and styles are played. No publicity for specific bands so I didn't know Bedouin were playing. But to confirm Carl's comment about them being loud, I agree. I was in my kitchen about 1/2 mile away from the park when I thought I could hear Sputnik Stan! Nah, I thought, my imagination. Then Sword of the East kicked in and I sped down to the park to see them play their last number, Chasing the Dragon. They rocked :) But it was weird to see space metal being played on a stage on the back of an articulated lorry, to a bemused audience of grannies in deckchairs, kiddies, families and a smattering of people moshing at the front. Tim NP: Sidi Bou Said, _Bodies_ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Sep 28 11:41:03 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:41:03 EDT Subject: HW: in Guitar World In-Reply-To: <124712.3115988763@mac004.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > From: "Carl E. Anderson" > Subject: Re: HW: in Guitar World > On Mon, Sep 28, 1998 9:06 am +0000 "Ted Jackson jr. s2h2" > wrote: > > This month's guitar World has a mini feature on the gtr player in > > Monster Magnet. He makes much mention of HW. HW fans should read it > > if you get the chance... > > Is that lead guitar Ed or "stun guitar" Dave Wyndorf? I recall > Ed being more of a classic heavy rock (from Hendrix along thru Deep > Purple) kinda guy, while Dave is what one might call "a bit of a > (rabid) HawkFan" ... > > (Though there is, I gather, another mysterious extra guitarist > these days ...) > > Cheers, > Carl I think it was Wyndorf. I'll check that for ya... theo From hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU Mon Sep 28 11:50:03 1998 From: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU (hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:50:03 -0500 Subject: BOC,BRAIN,HW : Something for everyone? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980928110716.0068f578@mail1.wizvax.net> Message-ID: There was an essay about this precise topic in a (relatively) recent collection of rock criticism, the title of which escapes me at the moment. alternatively, tjr On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: > > Quicker Hawkwind question: Is Hawkwind punk? Tentative ans.: Yes. Reasons > to come soon. > > Jason > From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Sep 28 11:53:36 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:53:36 +0100 Subject: HW: Bedouin Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 25, 1998 4:43 pm +0100 "Andy Gilham" wrote: > The London date is Oct 14, at West One Four, which isn't a venue I know but > used to be called the Orange. See y'all there I guess. Yeah, if I can ticket for Motorhead in Brixton, I may well come along to Bedouin in London. It'd be good to try and con some other Cambridge people (besides Jon and Anna ;) down if I can. Be tough with Motorhead playing in Cambridge the same day though ... -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Sep 28 11:56:36 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:56:36 +0100 Subject: OFF: DCC remasters Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 24, 1998 1:55 pm -0400 "Paul Mather" wrote: > Maybe we need to start a big write-in campaign pestering DCC Compact > Classics to remaster the first three? If they do even *half* the primo > job they did on _Aqualung_, the results will be beyond everyone's > wildest dreams! I take it this is something different than the EMI remaster of _Aqualung_? -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Sep 28 12:01:11 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:01:11 +0100 Subject: HW: Dr. Hasbeen Message-ID: Surely these are the guys that listmember Mark Lee is with? -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Sep 28 12:43:05 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:43:05 -0400 Subject: OFF: DCC remasters In-Reply-To: <234999.3115990596@mac004.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Carl E. Anderson wrote: => On Thu, Sep 24, 1998 1:55 pm -0400 "Paul Mather" => wrote: => > Maybe we need to start a big write-in campaign pestering DCC Compact => > Classics to remaster the first three? If they do even *half* the primo => > job they did on _Aqualung_, the results will be beyond everyone's => > wildest dreams! => => I take it this is something different than the EMI remaster => of _Aqualung_? Yes, most definitely so. IMHO, the DCC remaster is wholly better than EMI's (for one, they used an actual master tape, belonging to Ian Anderson), and the transfer is done with near religious zeal (keeping it analogue until the very last minute, so it doesn't end up like over-processed garbage). The result is a detailed, expansive _Aqualung_ CD that sounds worthy of vinyl! The DCC remaster is the real deal. Accept no substitutes! (I have both CDs, sad to say. Well, at least the EMI one has those bonus tracks, I suppose.:) Cheers, Paul. obCD-R: Beatles, 1/30/69 rooftop concert + _Get Back_ LP e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Sep 28 12:44:11 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:44:11 -0400 Subject: HW: Vinyl In-Reply-To: <199809281349.OAA05983@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, M Holmes wrote: => Mark Edmonds writes: => => > Quick trivia question which came to mind after listening to the old LPs: => > Which Hawkwind track features repeated use of castanets? => => Mirror of Illusion? Aren't those maracas? Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Sep 28 12:50:57 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:50:57 -0400 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet mentioned on TV (was HW: in Guitar World) In-Reply-To: <168202F1293@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 wrote: => This month's guitar World has a mini feature on the gtr player in => Monster Magnet. He makes much mention of HW. HW fans should read it => if you get the chance... Speaking of Monster Magnet, late Saturday night, I caught the tail end (last 5 minutes or less) of some TV series which seemed to be a spinoff from _The Crow_ films. Anyway, at the end, they made a point of listing the bands who'd featured in this week's gripping installment. First up was Monster Magnet, complete with piccie of the _Powertrip_ album. Since I didn't see the episode, I don't know which song(s) they played in the soundtrack. It's nice to see MM getting some recognition, though. (Been hearing "Space Lord" on the radio quite a few times recently, which is amazing, since I hardly ever listen to the radio. Maybe I've just been lucky?) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Voivod, _War and Pain_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 28 12:53:59 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:53:59 +0100 Subject: HW: Vinyl In-Reply-To: Mark Edmonds's message of Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:24:00 +0100 Message-ID: Mark Edmonds writes: > From: Mark Edmonds > Date: 1998-09-28 15:24 > > > Quick trivia question which came to mind after listening to the old LPs: > > Which Hawkwind track features repeated use of castanets? > > >Mirror of Illusion? > > >FoFP > > Nope, not the one I am thinking of anyway. I think Mirror of Illusion uses > a shaker or perhaps a cabasa (? ethnic percussion heads will correct that). > However MoI is definitely unique in that is features a squeeky floorboard or > door hinge! The Wizard Blew His Wotsit? There are a lot of odd noises in that I think? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 28 13:04:47 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:04:47 +0100 Subject: HW: Vinyl (trivia digression) In-Reply-To: Mark Edmonds's message of Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:24:00 +0100 Message-ID: Mark Edmonds writes: > However MoI is definitely unique in that is features a squeeky floorboard or > door hinge! Moody Blues did that first in House of Four Doors jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Sep 28 13:17:42 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:17:42 +0100 Subject: OFF: DCC remasters Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 28, 1998 12:43 pm -0400 "Paul Mather" wrote: > Yes, most definitely so. IMHO, the DCC remaster is wholly better than > EMI's (for one, they used an actual master tape, belonging to Ian > Anderson), and the transfer is done with near religious zeal (keeping it > analogue until the very last minute, so it doesn't end up like > over-processed garbage). The result is a detailed, expansive _Aqualung_ > CD that sounds worthy of vinyl! > The DCC remaster is the real deal. Accept no substitutes! Arse! Is the DCC a US release? I'll have to try picking it up when I get back to the States ... > (I have both CDs, sad to say. Well, at least the EMI one has those > bonus tracks, I suppose.:) Yeah, which sounded better remixed on the 20 Years set anyway ;) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Mon Sep 28 13:35:57 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:35:57 -0400 Subject: BOC: Binghamton Gig! Message-ID: >I see that BOC is playing 10 Oct at Strikezone in Binghamton. Anyone >going? Torgo, you gave me some good directions to the place last >time. Could you re-post them please? > >theo If you go, be aware that Strikezone is a tiny club. You might want to get there early to make sure you have a parking spot. The place was packed last time, although it's probably a quarter the size of It's Showtime. The sound was also pretty muddy. I won't be making the drive down there this time because I've graduated from college, found a steady job, and lost my sense of adventure through the process of becoming a corporate zombie. These things happen. ;-) I will, however, rock my khaki Dockers at the Rochester gig! Brian ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html "We are drawing a moustache on the wanted poster of the face of music." -Fierce Wicker ---------- From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Sep 28 13:48:19 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:48:19 -0700 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet - Help! Message-ID: OK, I have to throw off my lurker sheild and ask... Folks here have mentioned Monster Magnet quite often...I bit the bullet and bought a copy of Powertrip ($8.49 at Best Buy)... Question, WHAT THE HELL IS UP WITH THESE GUYS? I postively love this CD on first listen...Can't quite describe them, they are like Galactic Cowboys meet Black Sabbath with Al Bouchard on vocals... truly great stuff... Is there anybody on the list that can talk to me off line about these guys...I love 'em... OK back to lurker mode while I dig into Dopes to Infinity... yeah I bought that one too...what else they got? Ghost in the Ruins From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Sep 28 13:58:18 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:58:18 EDT Subject: BOC: Binghamton Gig! In-Reply-To: <329A5258416CD111928F006008A62C765626D0@bpxsv.156.106.206.in-addr.arpa> Message-ID: > From: brian halligan > > If you go, be aware that Strikezone is a tiny club. You might want to get > there early to make sure you have a parking spot. The place was packed last > time, although it's probably a quarter the size of It's Showtime. Hey, i was there too. I remember it was so crowded, and the opening act so silly and the drink prices so steep, that I walked next door to a cozy little Italian restaurant and staked out at the bar for a couple beers waiting for BOC to come on. Looks like they had some good food there too... The sound was also pretty muddy. Yep, same gig I saw... I won't be making the drive down there this time > because I've graduated from college, found a steady job, and lost my sense > of adventure through the process of becoming a corporate zombie. As I recall, it was snowing like a bastard that night. If not for the fact that I'd only seen BOC once in the last 5 years [and that was in Utica a couple weeks before no less] I probably wouldn't have gone. I remember the 1hr 15min trip took 2 and a half hours, and driving was for shit. Still glad I went... These > things happen. ;-) Look out, he's quoting HST! At least it isn't PJ... I will, however, rock my khaki Dockers at the Rochester > gig! > > Brian See ya there! theo From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Sep 28 14:16:26 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:16:26 -0400 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet - Help! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: => Folks here have mentioned Monster Magnet quite often...I bit the bullet => and bought a copy of Powertrip ($8.49 at Best Buy)... => => Question, WHAT THE HELL IS UP WITH THESE GUYS? I postively love this CD => on first listen...Can't quite describe them, they are like Galactic => Cowboys meet Black Sabbath with Al Bouchard on vocals... truly great => stuff... => OK back to lurker mode while I dig into Dopes to Infinity... yeah I => bought that one too...what else they got? Albums: Spine of God Superjudge + 25.....Tab (which is really an EP, but it is ~45 minutes long!) _Spine of God_ and _25.....Tab_ are squarely in the "stoner rock" vein (especially the latter). _Spine of God_ is probably my favourite Monster Magnet album, especially for its title track and the equally delicious "Nod Scene." (They also do a tasty cover of Grank Funk's "Sin's a Good Man's Brother.") Lots of liquid guitar and vocals, but lots of heaviness too. The music is more chaotic than the later material, especially _25.....Tab_, which is basically a long stoner jam in the studio (too unstructured and simplistic for some). _Superjudge_ is more transitional to the more "metal" feel exhibited on _Dopes to Infinity_ and _Powertrip_. It contains a cover of Hawkwind's "Brainstorm" (with hilariously off lyrics) although another tune on there---"Dinosaur Vacume"---is probably more "Hawkwindy." :-) _Superjudge_ was my introduction to Monster Magnet, courtesy of Steve Swann. (Yes---blame it on Swann!;) _Powertrip_ is probably Monster Magnet's most polished work to date. The production gets progressively more raw the further back you go in their catalogue. Enjoy!! Cheers, Paul. obCD-R: Gov't Mule, _Dancing Across the Water_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Mon Sep 28 14:15:04 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:15:04 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Who is . . . Message-ID: Who is Ace Bouchard? Saw the name on Trepanation. From Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG Mon Sep 28 15:27:50 1998 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG (Olivier Boigey) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:27:50 +0200 Subject: HW: Bedouin In-Reply-To: <199809281526.QAA17941@aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: In message ID <199809281526.QAA17941 at aeolians.bt.co.uk> on 28/09/98, BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List wrote: BDL> Bedouin played a free gig here in Ipswich back in July. There's a BDL> yearly event in the park where a whole bunch of different bands BDL> and styles are played. No publicity for specific bands so I BDL> didn't know Bedouin were playing. But to confirm Carl's comment BDL> about them being loud, I agree. I was in my kitchen about BDL> 1/2 mile away from the park when I thought I could hear Sputnik BDL> Stan! Nah, I thought, my imagination. Then Sword of the East BDL> kicked in and I sped down to the BDL> park to see them play their last number, Chasing the Dragon. BDL> BDL> They rocked :) What a wonderful story!! I had drams like this, but didn't know it could happenI Olivier --------------------------------------- Olivier Boigey 6 rue Pasquier - 92300 Levallois Perret - FRANCE TEL/FAX: 33 1 41 05 08 50 e-mail: olivier_boigey at technolink.org http://www.altern.org/obwaje/hmpg.htm --------------------------------------- - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Sep 28 14:51:35 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:51:35 +0100 Subject: BRAIN: Who is . . . In-Reply-To: <91B3F4CA7220D1118BA00000F83114BD010E72FB@EMSS05M03.ems.lmco.com> Message-ID: > Who is Ace Bouchard? Saw the name on Trepanation. Albert and Deborah's little boy. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Mon Sep 28 15:18:22 1998 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:18:22 -0400 Subject: OFF: Comebacks Message-ID: >From: "" >(Last Temptation), the word "comeback" no longer seems like two >four-letter words to me, and I have almost no fear when purchase >music from a long-dead rock band. One exception in this decade for me >has been Yes, who seem to decline further with every offering. Ah, but they more than deliver the goods live. (-8 John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Mon Sep 28 15:24:26 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:24:26 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: 5 Guitars Pic Message-ID: I just noticed that the 5 guitars pic from the summer show in Ithaca is up on John's Brain Surgeons Post-Op site http://members.aol.com/tbspostop/index.html Check it out! Thanks John, it looks great! Brian ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html "We are drawing a moustache on the wanted poster of the face of music." -Fierce Wicker ---------- From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Sep 28 16:10:13 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:10:13 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: 5 Guitars Pic Message-ID: >I just noticed that the 5 guitars pic from the summer show in Ithaca is up on John's Brain Surgeons Post-Op site http://members.aol.com/tbspostop/index.html Check it out! Thanks John, it looks great! Thanks - I apologize for taking so long to update the site - I've had the picture scanned for some time - just had too many other things going on and didn't get the Post-Op updated. Now, I can't wait until the new album will require further updates to the site! John From hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU Mon Sep 28 16:42:33 1998 From: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU (hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:42:33 -0500 Subject: Baby ice dog In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've been listening to T&M for at least 15 years now. And I still am not sure what Baby Ice dog is about. It seems that it's about plunging someone troublesome/unfaithful into ice. But I dunno fer sure. Then we get this: They'd like to make it with my big black dog But they just don't know how to ask You know they'd like to try anything that comes into your mind Oh freeze on freeze on freeze on bone to bone What is up with the dog? Is it a metaphor (ala Jim Morrison, when "calling on the dog" is a reference to god)? Why the shift in line 3 from third to second person (also a typical Morrison move, ala "Words got me the wound, and will get me well again/If you believe it")? Is the supposed woman really a dog all along, and we see the reversal here (ala Zeppelin's Bron Y Aur Stomp)? Or what? --tjr From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Sep 28 17:20:18 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:20:18 -0400 Subject: HW/OFF: US Space Rock links map Message-ID: Hi Folks... Sorry, a little blatant self-promotion... I've put together a band-logo collage to use as a WWW links device for many of the 90s space rock & psychedelic bands in the US. Jerry Kranitz has put it up on his Aural Innovations page at: http://www.infinet.com/~jkranitz/space.html I hope you all find it useful and/or informative. There are a few artists that don't have their own webpages, or at least none that I'm aware of. If you know of any good sites that feature these remaining bands (I think Black Sun Ensemble, Liquid Sound Company, Pressurehed, Melting Euphoria, and mushroom are without links at the moment), let me know. And if you got any suggestions for other groups that should/could be added, feel free to email me personally at henderson.120 at osu.edu. I intend to update the map every so often. (On mushroom, the krautrocky band from San Francisco, just two weeks ago, I had found a nice website at home.wxs.nl/~bborgman/jos/joshome.htm, or something close to that, and now I can no longer connect to it. mushroom's CDs are released on a Dutch label, and it was their website that I had found.) I'm also thinking about doing similar maps for other areas of the world...starting perhaps with Scandinavia and then the UK and Germany. I may be asking for geographical assistance & suggestions for these countries soon. As far as the next issue of Aural Innovations goes, it should be out in the next few weeks I think. Jerry has invested in his own personal laser printer for self-publishing future issues (to avoid disasterous results from so-called professional printers), and so both the quality and length of the issues should be continuing to rise. We've got lots of reviews of new albums, coverage of Strange Daze, Jonkoping, and WOMAD festivals, cool artwork from Christian, the debut of our News section, and much more. I think it's turning out to be a fine product, and a much needed US complement to Crohinga Well & Ptolemaic Terrascope in Europe. Keith H. (FAA) ObCD: Dark Sun - Feed Your Mind ObLiveBand: Djam Karet (anybody else see these guys??) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Sep 28 18:06:03 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:06:03 -0400 Subject: HW/OFF: US Space Rock links map Message-ID: Hi again... Correction... >I've put together a band-logo collage to use as a WWW links device for many >of the 90s space rock & psychedelic bands in the US. Jerry Kranitz has put >it up on his Aural Innovations page at: > >http://www.infinet.com/~jkranitz/space.html That should be... http://www.infinet.com/~jkranitz/space/space.html Keith H. (FAA) From adawson at CLARA.NET Mon Sep 28 18:07:50 1998 From: adawson at CLARA.NET (Andrew Dawson) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:07:50 +0100 Subject: HW/OFF: US Space Rock links map In-Reply-To: <199809282120.RAA20090@mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: At 17:20 28/09/98 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Folks... > >Sorry, a little blatant self-promotion... > >I've put together a band-logo collage to use as a WWW links device for many >of the 90s space rock & psychedelic bands in the US. Jerry Kranitz has put >it up on his Aural Innovations page at: > >http://www.infinet.com/~jkranitz/space.html Error 404 file not found http://www.infinet.com/~jkranitz/space/spacemap.html works a lot better Andy > >Keith H. (FAA) > >ObCD: Dark Sun - Feed Your Mind >ObLiveBand: Djam Karet (anybody else see these guys??) > > Andrew Dawson adawson at clara.net Into Hawkwind ? Then check out the Worldwide discography. http://home.clara.net/adawson From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Sep 28 18:50:51 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:50:51 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Billy Hilfiger in the news Message-ID: Billy Hilfiger cropped up in "The People Column" of my local paper (The Roanoke Times) this morning, much to my surprise. Here is the piece: ----------------------- Designer Tommy Hilfiger is preoccupied with something more important than fashion these days. His brother, Billy, is trying to beat brain cancer. "My last MRI looked great, and I feel good," Billy Hilfiger told the New York Daily News. Hilfiger had brain surgery in December, shortly after his cancer was diagnosed. He underwent chemotherapy every four weeks for three months and then radiation every day during May and June. Billy Hilfiger, 42, plays in two rock bands and runs a small urban landscaping company. "When I go to jobs, I meet janitors and other building employees wearing Tommy jerseys, and they say to me: 'You're Tommy's brother? Why are you doing this?' They can't believe I like working." ----------------------- I'm surprised the Brain Surgeons were not mentioned as one of those "two rock bands." Go figure. Cheers, Paul. NP: Roy Bookbinder, _Travelin' Man_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Sep 28 19:15:54 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:15:54 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Billy Hilfiger in the news Message-ID: Paul... >Billy Hilfiger cropped up in "The People Column" of my local paper (The >Roanoke Times) this morning, much to my surprise. Here is the piece: > >----------------------- > Designer Tommy Hilfiger is preoccupied with something more >important than fashion these days. His brother, Billy, is trying to >beat brain cancer. > "My last MRI looked great, and I feel good," Billy Hilfiger told >the New York Daily News. > Hilfiger had brain surgery in December, shortly after his cancer >was diagnosed. He underwent chemotherapy every four weeks for three >months and then radiation every day during May and June. > Billy Hilfiger, 42, plays in two rock bands and runs a small >urban landscaping company. > "When I go to jobs, I meet janitors and other building employees >wearing Tommy jerseys, and they say to me: 'You're Tommy's brother? >Why are you doing this?' They can't believe I like working." >----------------------- > >I'm surprised the Brain Surgeons were not mentioned as one of those "two >rock bands." Go figure. Surprising because of the obvious irony, you mean?? This certainly has to be an item that makes it's way into the syndicated 'News of the Weird' I'd say. Cozy Powell's bizarre fatal accident while on the telephone was a recent item, and this is more bizarre than that. I must not have been paying much attention to tBS threads then, as this is the first I've heard of Billy's condition. At least things are going well for him now. Keith H. (FAA) P.S. What's the other one Billy plays in...I seem to remember hearing something about another tBS-related group, but have forgotten. From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Mon Sep 28 19:16:22 1998 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:16:22 -0500 Subject: HW: Monster Magnet - Hawkwind Tie-ins Message-ID: found at: http://members.aol.com/rickilucy/menu.html Monster Magnet - Hawkwind Tie-ins 1) Monster Magnet of course recorded the classic, Brainstorm, twice. Once on their first demo with completely different lyrics, and then later on the Superjudge CD with the original lyrics. 2) The passage in the song Dopes To Infinity that goes "What can I say....What can I say..." comes from the Hawkwind song, Lords of Light. 3) In the middle of TAB, you can hear Dave scream out "We are standing on the EDGE! On the EDGE OF TIME!" which comes from the Hawkwind spoken word piece, Warriors on the Edge...(well...I heard this one time..but not since then...) 4) This may be pushing it...but in the song LOOK TO YOUR ORB, Dave says "but I never took a ride, to the silent ship, on the other side...". In Hawkwind's 1972 hit "Silver Machine" they say "Do you want to ride, see yourself going by, the other side of the sky..." 5) This came to me in a letter: Don't you think Look To Your Orb sounds like Hawkwind's Children of The Sun.... I never did until you mentioned it...hmmm...maaaayyybee...I dunno but you can sing the words to either song to the tune of either song... 6) Dinosaur Vacume is an attempt to grasp that Hawkwind 'space rock' sound...definately 7) Both bands are fronted by a guy named Dave (ha..I'm really stretching now) 8) SUPERJUDGE was actually the name of a 1974 Hawkwind song... (ok, I flat out lied there...I'm sorry...) From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Mon Sep 28 23:14:56 1998 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:14:56 -0500 Subject: HW: Monster Magnet - Hawkwind Tie-ins Message-ID: Forgot to add a comment to this email! Regarding point 5) . . . The first thing that came to *my* mind when I heard "Look to Your Orb" was the riff from "Time We Left This World Today." Do re mi . . . repeat after me . . . It's great to see a Hawkwind influenced band getting some widespread recognition! Going to the MM show 10/21 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin! Yeah! Karen Karen Kusic wrote: > > found at: > http://members.aol.com/rickilucy/menu.html > > Monster Magnet - Hawkwind Tie-ins > > 1) Monster Magnet of course recorded the classic, Brainstorm, twice. > Once on their first demo with completely different lyrics, and then > later on the Superjudge CD with the original lyrics. > > 2) The passage in the song Dopes To Infinity that goes "What can I > say....What can I say..." comes from the Hawkwind song, Lords of Light. > > 3) In the middle of TAB, you can hear Dave scream out "We are standing > on the EDGE! On the EDGE OF TIME!" which comes from the Hawkwind spoken > word piece, Warriors on the Edge...(well...I heard this one time..but > not since then...) > > 4) This may be pushing it...but in the song LOOK TO YOUR ORB, Dave says > "but I never took a ride, to the silent ship, on the other side...". In > Hawkwind's 1972 hit "Silver Machine" they say "Do you want to ride, see > yourself going by, the other side of the sky..." > > 5) This came to me in a letter: Don't you think Look To Your Orb > sounds like Hawkwind's Children of The Sun.... I never did until you > mentioned it...hmmm...maaaayyybee...I dunno but you can sing the words > to either song to the tune of either song... > > 6) Dinosaur Vacume is an attempt to grasp that Hawkwind 'space rock' > sound...definately > > 7) Both bands are fronted by a guy named Dave (ha..I'm really > stretching now) > > 8) SUPERJUDGE was actually the name of a 1974 Hawkwind song... > (ok, I flat out lied there...I'm sorry...) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Sep 29 00:23:32 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:23:32 -0400 Subject: HW: Monster Magnet - Hawkwind Tie-ins Message-ID: > 5) This came to me in a letter: Don't you think Look To Your Orb > sounds like Hawkwind's Children of The Sun.... I never did until you > mentioned it...hmmm...maaaayyybee...I dunno but you can sing the words > to either song to the tune of either song... The first time I heard this one, I was so certain it *was* Children of the Sun, that I went over and picked up the jewel box to check the liner notes for Anderson/Turner's credit, thinking it was weird I didn't notice the HW cover on this one when I bought it (as I bought Superjudge without having ever heard of MM simply because of the Brainstorm cover). I was a little shocked that it was actually a different song...but by then, a minute or two had passed and the song was somewhat different by then. Keith H. (FAA) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Sep 29 07:43:34 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:43:34 +0100 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet - Help! Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 28, 1998 2:16 pm -0400 "Paul Mather" wrote: > obCD-R: Gov't Mule, _Dancing Across the Water_ Eh? Was ist? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Sep 29 07:55:43 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 07:55:43 EDT Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet - Help! In-Reply-To: <27213.3116061814@mac004.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > From: "Carl E. Anderson" > On Mon, Sep 28, 1998 2:16 pm -0400 "Paul Mather" > wrote: > > obCD-R: Gov't Mule, _Dancing Across the Water_ > > Eh? Was ist? > > Cheers, > Carl Yeah, what about this one?! theo From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Sep 29 08:05:25 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:05:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Monster Magnet - Hawkwind Tie-ins Message-ID: > 5) This came to me in a letter: Don't you think Look To Your Orb > sounds like Hawkwind's Children of The Sun.... I never did until you > mentioned it...hmmm...maaaayyybee...I dunno but you can sing the words > to either song to the tune of either song... That similarity jumped out at me right away! To that list should be added the massive rip-off of the riff from Hawkwind's "Time We Left" in MM's "Bummer" :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Sep 29 08:06:38 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 08:06:38 -0400 Subject: Baby ice dog Message-ID: I'm REALLY bad at interpreting lyrics. I'll only say that the fact that Patti Smith, a woman, wrote it could be significant - even though Eric sings it. Don't know if that makes a difference to the interpretation, and I might be wrong, but it was just a thought. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Sep 29 08:09:15 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 08:09:15 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Billy Hilfiger in the news Message-ID: >What's the other one Billy plays in...I seem to remember hearing something about another tBS-related group, but have forgotten. That would be Joe Bouchard's X Brothers, I presume. John From clemens at TRAIL.COM Tue Sep 29 09:36:41 1998 From: clemens at TRAIL.COM (Clemens) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 07:36:41 -0600 Subject: Hawkwind herzberg cuts Message-ID: There's a cd called Wir Sind Kinder der Revolte: Herzberg Live vol. 1 that includes some Hawkwind tracks as well as other space rock groups. Has anyone seen this and knows what the HW tracks are and what year they're from? Mark Licht Santa Fe NM clemens at trail.com From christmu at EUNET.NO Tue Sep 29 11:13:09 1998 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu at EUNET.NO) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:13:09 +0100 Subject: HW/OFF: US Space Rock links map Message-ID: Keith H wrote..... >I've put together a band-logo collage to use as a WWW links device for many >of the 90s space rock & psychedelic bands in the US. Jerry Kranitz has put >it up on his Aural Innovations page at: http://www.infinet.com/~jkranitz/space/space.html Extremely cool. Something like that ought to eliminate all the text links on the front. As regards #4, the Nik Turner interview Scott Heller and I did will finally crashland into the present.... i.e., conclude with Part 3. Christian ObCD: Pressurehed - Explaining The Unexplained From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Sep 29 11:11:39 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 08:11:39 -0700 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet thanx Message-ID: Paul and others, thanks for the background on MM. I really like the two I have (Dopes/Powertrip). Hmmm Hawkwind fans are they? Must be comic book fans too. Heard references on Powertrip to Modok, assume this is the floating head that Iron man did battle with. Also the track from Dopes, "Ego, the Living Planet". Again many thanks... Wonder if we could get tBS to do a cover of "Bummer", "19 Witches", or "See You in Hell" Oh, BTW the insert of Powertrip says "Monster Magnet welcomes aboard Phil Caviano: Guitar. Ghost in the Ruins Who's gonna teach you how to dance Who's gonna show you how to fly Who's gonna call you the all the lame dope smoking slacking little sucker you are? - Powertrip, Monster Magnet From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Sep 29 12:58:15 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:58:15 -0400 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet thanx In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: => Paul and others, thanks for the background on MM. I really like the two => I have (Dopes/Powertrip). Hmmm Hawkwind fans are they? Must be comic => book fans too. Heard references on Powertrip to Modok, assume this is => the floating head that Iron man did battle with. Also the track from => Dopes, "Ego, the Living Planet". => => Again many thanks... => => Wonder if we could get tBS to do a cover of "Bummer", "19 Witches", or => "See You in Hell" And, if they covered "Bummer," I'm sure they'd get a lot more Hawkwind fans turning up, too, since it's a dead ringer for "Time We Left This World Today" (at least at the start)... :-) => Oh, BTW the insert of Powertrip says "Monster Magnet welcomes aboard => Phil Caviano: Guitar. He was with them when I saw them in late July in Roanoke. If you can catch these guys live, DO SO! They put on a hell of a show. I think they're currently supporting Aerosmith on their tour right now. BTW, Monster Magnet are Pollstar's "Hotstar of the Week" right now. (See http://www.pollstar.com/hotstar.htm.) Cheers, Paul. NP: Deep Purple, _Made in Japan_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From christmu at EUNET.NO Tue Sep 29 13:56:36 1998 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu at EUNET.NO) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:56:36 +0100 Subject: HW: Monster Magnet - Hawkwind Tie-ins In-Reply-To: <199809290900.LAA01091@login-2.eunet.no> Message-ID: >> 5) This came to me in a letter: Don't you think Look To Your Orb >> sounds like Hawkwind's Children of The Sun.... I never did until you >> mentioned it...hmmm...maaaayyybee...I dunno but you can sing the words >> to either song to the tune of either song... > Then there's the Bummer / Time We Left similarity at first-- >The first time I heard this one, I was so certain it *was* Children of the >Sun, that I went over and picked up the jewel box to check the liner notes >for Anderson/Turner's credit, thinking it was weird I didn't notice the HW >cover on this one when I bought it I never thought of any similarity..... (as I bought Superjudge without having >ever heard of MM simply because of the Brainstorm cover). I was a little >shocked that it was actually a different song...but by then, a minute or two >had passed and the song was somewhat different by then. I picked up Superjudge already having (most) of their early EPs and CDs, and to me it was sort of a mindblowing 'confirmation' of them being huge Hawkwind fans , as when pointing this out previously to my more 'grungy friends' whom I'd turned onto MM, would give me and my Hawkwind-babble mostly blank stares. :) Chr- >Keith H. (FAA) > From JOHNANDBEVBONO at WORLDNET.ATT.NET Tue Sep 29 14:08:14 1998 From: JOHNANDBEVBONO at WORLDNET.ATT.NET (JOHN BONO) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:08:14 -0000 Subject: IMAGINOS FOUND Message-ID: ANYONE LOOKING FOR BOC'S "IMAGINOS" ON CD CAN CONTACT JART MUSIC P.O. BOX 375 WINGDALE, NY 12594 TELEPHONE (914) 832-3669 FAX (914)832-3697 TOLL FREE ORDER LINE 24 HRS (800) 545-6304 THEY CARRY IMAGINOS IN STOCK. JUST THOUGHT THAT THERE'S PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO KNOW. JOHN -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Sep 29 19:47:16 1998 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:47:16 PDT Subject: BOC: Binghamton Gig Message-ID: Theo said.... >I see that BOC is playing 10 Oct at Strikezone in Binghamton. Anyone >going? Torgo, you gave me some good directions to the place last >time. Could you re-post them please? I would like to check out this show myself, as there is now way in hell I can swing the Rochester Gig. I think I remember how to get to the strikezone, although it's a bit foggy tonight as I have never actually been in the place and might be thinking of a different place. Let me see what I can come up with for directions and I'll get back to you. I will be in Binghamton the Tuesday before the gig at an NHL preseason game between Florida and Buffalo (WOO HOO!!), and I'll see if I can remember where the hell this place is and find it that night. More than likely I will be at this show. back to lurker status, man you guys are entertaining some days. I'll probably post now and then once I can't play golf anymore. :^) Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** Torgo at norwich.net DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos *********************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Wed Sep 30 00:35:12 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 04:35:12 +0000 Subject: BOC: Binghamton Gig Message-ID: > >I see that BOC is playing 10 Oct at Strikezone in Binghamton. Anyone > >going? Torgo, you gave me some good directions to the place last > >time. Could you re-post them please? And it's a Saturday! I may have to come home! -- Nick From christmu at EUNET.NO Wed Sep 30 06:27:49 1998 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu at EUNET.NO) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:27:49 +0100 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet thanx/Marvel In-Reply-To: <199809300900.LAA01444@login-2.eunet.no> Message-ID: From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet thanx MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul and others, thanks for the background on MM. I really like the two I have (Dopes/Powertrip). Hmmm Hawkwind fans are they? Must be comic book fans too. <<<< you win a No-Prize! >>>> Heard references on Powertrip to Modok, assume this is the floating head that Iron man did battle with. Also the track from Dopes, "Ego, the Living Planet". <<<< yeah, isn't that cool! It blew me away when they did Hawkwind's Brainstorm, and when on the next album they did that insane cosmic slave drum freakout named "Ego The Living Planet" that blew me away. And yeah, I heard the Modok reference too. Too cool: "but what would Modok do / when his memory got too full / he'd find the power source / and he'd pick what plugs to pull" - Oh, BTW the insert of Powertrip says "Monster Magnet welcomes aboard Phil Caviano: Guitar. <<<< hm, I did not see this... >>>> Ghost in the Ruins Who's gonna teach you how to dance Who's gonna show you how to fly Who's gonna call you the all the lame dope smoking slacking little sucker you are? - Powertrip, Monster Magnet who's gonna teach ya how to like, uh-- grammarize properly. Chr- (who wrote a review of Powertrip in Aural Innovations (plug)) From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Sep 30 06:20:48 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (zeitgeist-scot) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:20:48 +0100 Subject: Web reviews Message-ID: My e-zine has been updated and there are reviews on Hawkwind, Adrian Shaw, Born To Go, No-Man, Nik Turner etc. at http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/zeitgeist/sept.html Own trumpet blowing over. Regards, Z ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com PO Box 13499, Edinburgh, EH6 8YL, UK e-mail zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Sep 30 07:30:53 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 07:30:53 EDT Subject: BOC: Binghamton Gig In-Reply-To: <199809300836.EAA06150@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: > From: "" > > >I see that BOC is playing 10 Oct at Strikezone in Binghamton. Anyone > > >going? Torgo, you gave me some good directions to the place last > > >time. Could you re-post them please? > > And it's a Saturday! I may have to come home! > > -- Nick Hey, it looks like you and I might be the only ones. Torgo's missing in action lately, and Brian and Jason are passing on this gig. Still not sure if I'm going-- depends on the TV dudes and what time they scedule the SU football game. Not 'cause I'm watching it, but 'cause my wife will be working at the game and I can't leave til she gets back. If it's too late, I won't have time to get to Bing. for the gig... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Sep 30 07:57:29 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 07:57:29 EDT Subject: BOC: Binghamton Gig In-Reply-To: <19980929234717.23818.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > From: Torgo Sedler > Theo said.... > > >I see that BOC is playing 10 Oct at Strikezone in Binghamton. Anyone > >going? Torgo, you gave me some good directions to the place last > >time. Could you re-post them please? > > I would like to check out this show myself, as there is now way in hell > I can swing the Rochester Gig. I think I remember how to get to the > strikezone, although it's a bit foggy tonight as I have never actually > been in the place and might be thinking of a different place. Let me see > what I can come up with for directions and I'll get back to you. I will > be in Binghamton the Tuesday before the gig at an NHL preseason game > between Florida and Buffalo (WOO HOO!!), and I'll see if I can remember > where the hell this place is and find it that night. More than likely I > will be at this show. > RElax, oh visitor from the East. I have your own directions on file from last time. They were just in a different file than I usually keep them in: The place is called "The Strike Zone" and is on court Street. Court street also happens to be US 11, so if you are coming into Binghamton via 81 (probably), just look for the US 11 exit and stay on it through downtown Binghamton. You can't miss the place. I have no idea what time BOC goes on or any other show details. and in another post: I know Court street pretty well, just not sure WHERE exactly Strike zone is on it. The best way to get there is off 81 (I assume) and get off the US 11- FRont Street exit (south). Stay on Us 11, it will go over a bridge (after a LEFT turn) and you are then on the beginning of Court Street in Binghamton. I might be in Bing this weekend and if I do I'll scope it out. I'll keep you posted if I find anything. Dang, these computers are good for something! Hope to see you there Torgo... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Sep 30 07:59:01 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 07:59:01 EDT Subject: BOC: Binghamton Gig In-Reply-To: <19980929234717.23818.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > From: Torgo Sedler > > back to lurker status, man you guys are entertaining some days. I'll > probably post now and then once I can't play golf anymore. :^) > Hey, when are we gonna get together for a round? I didn't know you were a duffer. Played 18 yesterday after work... theo From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Sep 30 08:04:23 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:04:23 +0100 Subject: BOC: Binghamton Gig In-Reply-To: <19702004C5E@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: > Hey, when are we gonna get together for a round? I didn't know you > were a duffer. Played 18 yesterday after work... > > theo > Did you see any moose? - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Sep 30 08:18:48 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:18:48 +0100 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet thanx Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 29, 1998 12:58 pm -0400 "Paul Mather" wrote: > => Wonder if we could get tBS to do a cover of "Bummer", "19 Witches", or > => "See You in Hell" > > And, if they covered "Bummer," I'm sure they'd get a lot more Hawkwind > fans turning up, too, since it's a dead ringer for "Time We Left This > World Today" (at least at the start)... :-) Nah, there's no point in tBS covering Monster Magnet since they've already covered Hawkwind. Besides it's time for more tBS originals! _Malpractice_ was mostly covers anyway. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Sep 30 08:22:34 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:22:34 EDT Subject: BOC: Binghamton Gig In-Reply-To: <000c01bdec6a$76b36a00$5d3f63c3@default> Message-ID: > From: Andy Gilham > > Hey, when are we gonna get together for a round? I didn't know you > > were a duffer. Played 18 yesterday after work... > > > > theo > > > > Did you see any moose? > I have seen deer on that particular course, and the place I played Saturday always has about a hundred wild turkey on it. You'd be lucky to see ONE anywhere else... theo From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Wed Sep 30 08:34:52 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:34:52 -0400 Subject: OFF: Turkey (was BOC: Binghamton Gig) Message-ID: >> From: Andy Gilham >> Did you see any moose? >I have seen deer on that particular course, and the place I played >Saturday always has about a hundred wild turkey on it. You'd be >lucky to see ONE anywhere else... >theo Funny, it seems to be in plentiful supply at the 19th hole of every course I've ever been on... (That was bad. Sorry. No excuse.) Brian ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html "We are drawing a moustache on the wanted poster of the face of music." -Fierce Wicker ---------- From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Wed Sep 30 08:54:57 1998 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:54:57 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Malpractice/Pull the Plug/Misc... Message-ID: Speaking of Malpractice, At the Surgeons gig in Ithaca this year, I asked Albert about Lady of the Harbor making an appearance in the live sets and he said the lyrics were still under construction. In the meantime, some SWU trivia: "John L. Sullivan Readymade" is a song by Meltzer for teh group mentioned in his _Aesthetics of Rock_. Has an early pic of the band too. Buck looks more Mexican in the past..wierd. For David Roter fans, songs by him mentioned in the book include: "I'm a Doper" and "James Brown." God bless the late 60s. jump back and mail myself, Jason From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Wed Sep 30 09:49:55 1998 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:49:55 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Where art thou website? Message-ID: I tried connecting to http://www.novpapyrus.com/bs with no luck. Anyone else with this difficulty? Jason From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Sep 30 10:20:50 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 07:20:50 -0700 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet and Hawkwind Message-ID: >To that list should be added the massive rip-off of the riff >from Hawkwind's "Time We Left" in MM's "Bummer" :) >Cheers, >Carl Which album does Time We Left appear on? I love the riff to Bummer, puts me in mind of both Galactic Cowboys and Black Sabbath. Guess this is why I've gone head over heels on MM, they got some great riffs on Powertrip. This also makes me realize I haven't listend to my Hawkwind discs in a while, think I'll gyrate some Live '79 tonite...Huw the guitar god! >obCD-R: Gov't Mule, _Dancing Across the Water_ > Eh? Was ist? I'd imagine this is a boot tape that Paul recently converted to CD-R format or perhaps a compilation he put together for himself. Sadly for the Wash DC area on Dec 31 the Bayou will be shuttings its doors, no more little club under the bridge in Georgetown. TYhey have fallen victim to the developers wrecking ball. Legendary Pink Dots and Gov't Mule recently jammed there...can't think of a better venue for the Mule than the Bayou... Ghost in the Ruins Who's gonna teach you how to dance Who's gonna show you how to fly Who's gonna call you the all the lame dope smoking slacking little sucker you are? - Powertrip, Monster Magnet From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Sep 30 10:36:33 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:36:33 -0400 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet and Hawkwind Message-ID: >Which album does Time We Left appear on? I love the riff to Bummer, >puts me in mind of both Galactic Cowboys and Black Sabbath. Guess this >is why I've gone head over heels on MM, they got some great riffs on >Powertrip. Originally Doremi Fasol Latido, but the best version is on Space Ritual, and there is a modernized version in the medley on Palace Springs. > >This also makes me realize I haven't listend to my Hawkwind discs in a >while, think I'll gyrate some Live '79 tonite...Huw the guitar god! YES HE IS. rj > From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Sep 30 11:30:37 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:30:37 -0400 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet and Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <002201bdec7f$b91c8e20$23a48fcc@sprawl> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, sprawl wrote: => >Which album does Time We Left appear on? I love the riff to Bummer, => >puts me in mind of both Galactic Cowboys and Black Sabbath. Guess this => >is why I've gone head over heels on MM, they got some great riffs on => >Powertrip. => => Originally Doremi Fasol Latido, but the best version is on Space Ritual, IMHO, *THE* best version is on _Space Ritual, Vol. 2_. Cheers, Paul. NP: Monster Magnet, _Spine of God_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Sep 30 13:55:07 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:55:07 -0700 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet and Hawkwind Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:30:37 -0400, Paul Mather wrote: >On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, sprawl wrote: >=> >Which album does Time We Left appear on? I love the riff to Bummer, >=> >puts me in mind of both Galactic Cowboys and Black Sabbath. Guess this >=> >is why I've gone head over heels on MM, they got some great riffs on >=> >Powertrip. >=> >=> Originally Doremi Fasol Latido, but the best version is on Space Ritual, > >IMHO, *THE* best version is on _Space Ritual, Vol. 2_. Yes! The one with the 10 minutes of Lemmy bass freakout that was edited out of the original 'Space Ritual' version. (speaking of which, I just remembered that I have an extra 'Space Ritual 2' CD lying around ... if anybody needs it, it's probably $10 or $11 postpaid in the US) -Doug ceres at sirius.com From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Sep 30 14:15:47 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (zeitgeist-scot) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:15:47 +0100 Subject: Tim Blake - opinions please Message-ID: I've just got my dealer update and there's three Tim Blake albums back on - Blake's New Jerusalem, Crystal Machine and Magick. Now I've never heard anything from any of these. Should I spend some hard earned pennies? Opinions please. Z NP UFO - Come Away Melinda ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com PO Box 13499, Edinburgh, EH6 8YL, UK e-mail zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Sep 30 14:08:38 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:08:38 -0700 Subject: BOC,BRAIN,HW : Something for everyone? Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:07:16 -0400, Bolts of Ungodly Vision wrote: >Quick MC 5 question: Anyone heard the CD _Ice Pick Slim_? I'm thinking of >picking it up. Yes. It's an interesting item because it displays the extended free jazz and soul leanings that were part of the "classic" MC5 live set, but were barely represented on 'Kick Out The Jams'. If you want to hear more stuff like the version of "Starship" on that album, then 'Ice Pick Slim' is probably the best MC5 album to get. On the other hand, if you're only into their shorter songs and more punk-ish stuff, then this would be the worst MC5 album to get; instead, I would recommend 'Teenage Lust', which includes rawer/superior live versions of most of the 'Back in the USA' LP. >Quicker Hawkwind question: Is Hawkwind punk? Sometimes, yes (nearly all of the UA and Charisma singles, 'Hawklords Live 78', "Right to Decide", most anything with Ron Tree, etc.). Sometimes, no (the first LP, "Golden Void", the entire Huw era, IItBotFtbD, etc.). But hey, the singers of both the Sex Pistols (John Lydon) and Black Flag (Dez Cadena) were Hawkwind fans, so who could deny it ... ? >Tentative ans.: Yes. Reasons to come soon. Let 'em fly ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Sep 30 14:33:44 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:33:44 +0100 Subject: OFF: QotSA (fwd) Message-ID: > QOTSA There've been quite some changes in Queens Of The Stone Ages > European tour schedule. Heres a new slew of dates. The Queens will be > supported by Earthlings? -the first leg of the tour. Dutch sludge > kings Beaver will support Josh Homme, Nick Oliveri and Alfredo > Hernandez on the second part of their full blown club tour. > > November > Wed 11 London - Garage (England) > Thu 12 Nottingham - Rock City (England) > Fri 13 Manchester - University (England) > Sat 14 Wolverhampton - Varsity (England) > Sun 15 Bristol - tba (England) > Tue 17 Essen - Zeche Carl (Germany) > Wed 18 Hamburg - Logo (Germany) > Thu 19 Malmo -tba (Sweden) > Fri 20 Copenhagen - Loppen (Danmark) > Sat 21 Stockholm - Studion (Sweden) > Sun 22 Oslo - So What (Norway) > Tue 24 Frankfurt - Batschkapp (Germany) > Wed 25 Stuttgart - R?hre (Germany) > Thu 26 K?ln - Prime Club (Germany) > Sat 28 Enger - Forum (Germany) > Sun 29 Berlin -_Loft (Germany) > Mon 30 Munich - Backstage (Germany) > > DECEMBER > Tue 1 Vienna - Arena (Austria) > Wed 2 Salzburg - Rockhouse (Austria) > Thu 3 Bern - Reitschule (Switserland) > Sat 5 Milan - Bloom (Italy) > Sun 6 Pordenone - Velvet (Italy) > Tue 8 Lyon - Le Pez Nez (France) > Wed 9 Montpellier - Victoire 2 ( France) > Thu 10 Toulouse - Bikini (France) > Fri 11 Barcelona - Garage (Spain) > Sat 12 Madrid - Caracol (Spain) > Mon 14 Paris - La Boule Noir (France) > Tue 15 Utrecht - Tivoli (Holland) > Wed 16 Amsterdam - Melkweg (Holland) > Thu 17 Eindhoven - Effenaar (Holland) > Fri 18 Rotterdam -Nighttown (Holland) > Sat 19 Brussels - tba (Belgium) > > > -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Sep 30 14:36:39 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:36:39 +0100 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet and Hawkwind Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 30, 1998 10:36 am -0400 sprawl wrote: >>Which album does Time We Left appear on? > > Originally Doremi Fasol Latido, but the best version is on Space Ritual, > and there is a modernized version in the medley on Palace Springs. I'll pick the _Doremi_ "Time We Left" over _Space Ritual_, since _Doremi_ has the massive, superastronomical Lemmy bass solo--but _Space Ritual II_ is to be prefered if possible for an even more wicked Lemmification ... (I rather like the _Palace Springs_ version, though don't really consider it quite the same song. Pity it is split from "Treadmill" on the album!) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Sep 30 14:44:52 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:44:52 +0100 Subject: HW: Tim Blake - opinions please In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980930191547.007aa8c0@pop.dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: > I've just got my dealer update and there's three Tim Blake albums > back on - > Blake's New Jerusalem, Crystal Machine and Magick. > > Now I've never heard anything from any of these. Should I spend some hard > earned pennies? I have the first two of these, vinyl I've had for ages. I haven't listened to _Crystal Machine_ for yonks, but I recall being disappointed with it... _New Jerusalem_ is a much more distinctive and interesting piece, and I play it from time for time when I'm in the mood for a hippy chill-out. The title track is a side long, with lyrics about pyramids, Stonehenge and ley lines, "with love from you to me", synths going "blip", you get the picture. (Some might say "poor man's Rick Wakeman", but that would be harsh.) "Lighthouse", on _Live 1979_, is a heavied-up version of another track from _NJ_. Give _NJ_ a go if you liked "Lighthouse", I guess. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Sep 30 14:48:28 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:48:28 -0400 Subject: Tim Blake - opinions please Message-ID: >I've just got my dealer update and there's three Tim Blake albums back on - >Blake's New Jerusalem, Crystal Machine and Magick. > >Now I've never heard anything from any of these. Should I spend some hard >earned pennies? > >Opinions please. I'd recommend New Jerusalem of the three. The side-long title track is a real winner IMHO. Side One has a couple of goofy tunes (the acoustic 'Song for a New Age' or something, and 'Generator', which is a little hard to take), but also the excellent "Lighthouse" (later done by Hawkwind w/ Blake, as was New Jerusalem at one point) and the last instrumental number (French title?) which I like a lot as well. Magick is 90's material (I actually saw him on tour following that album) that has some nice things, but not all that necessary. Crystal Machine I haven't listened to in years, having only the LP, but it's more synth ramblings than structured music. Keith H. (FAA) ObCD: Gila - Gila From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Sep 30 15:01:10 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:01:10 -0400 Subject: OFF: Help with Scandinavian space/psych Message-ID: Hej Folks... As I said earlier, I'd be coming to you for help on starting my efforts towards a Scandinavian space/psych/electronic/ambient artist map. So, mainly what I need is geographical assistance (like, where are they all from?), but would of course accept suggestions for other artists to consider. Right now, my list is... Akasha (????, Norway) Algarnas Tradgard (Goteborg???, Sweden) Circle (Pori, Finland) Dark Sun (???, Finland) darXtar (Korgsberga, Sweden) Holy River Family Band (???, Sweden) Jukon Speakers (???, Sweden) Kingston Wall (Helsinki???, Finland) Landberk (Malmo???, Sweden) The Moor (Falkoping???, Sweden) Optical Blue (???, Sweden) Pseudo Sun (Jarfalla, Sweden) Simon Says (Falkoping???, Sweden) The Spacious Mind (Lovanger???, Sweden) The Word of Life (???, Sweden) Any more?? Doesn't Norge have any recent space/psych groups?? Here are some other artists that I'm familiar with (their names at least, not necessarily the music), but my feeling is that they're mostly 'too prog' to be included. Feel free to disagree....my perception of those I don't know firsthand may be wrong. Anglagard Anekdoten 5:15 Flower Kings Bo Hanssen Jonas Hellborg Hoyry Kone Bob Hund Isuldur's Bane Kaipa T. Kriget Par Lindh SMM White Willow Tack sa mycket...Kjell From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Sep 30 15:07:13 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:07:13 -0400 Subject: OFF: QotSA (fwd) Message-ID: Carl spake... >> QOTSA There've been quite some changes in Queens Of The Stone Ages >> European tour schedule. Uhhh, could you tell us not-so-informed souls who these folks are?? This isn't a name I've ever seen show up here or anywhere else for that matter. I like the name though. Keith H. (FAA) From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Sep 30 15:18:20 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:18:20 -0700 Subject: HW: Tim Blake - opinions please Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:48:28 -0400 Keith Henderson wrote: >>I've just got my dealer update and there's three Tim Blake albums back on - >>Blake's New Jerusalem, Crystal Machine and Magick. >> >>Now I've never heard anything from any of these. Should I spend some hard >>earned pennies? >> >>Opinions please. > >I'd recommend New Jerusalem of the three. I definitely agree ... >Magick is 90's material (I actually saw him on tour following that album) >that has some nice things, but not all that necessary. Crystal Machine I >haven't listened to in years, having only the LP, but it's more synth >ramblings than structured music. Crystal Machine is cool if you're into real noodly synth stuff; almost like Tangerine Dream meets Silver Apples. I never heard Magick, but I wasn't that thrilled about the show I saw on that tour. Sounded too new-age and not spacey enough for me. (plus, he was being a jerk to the people who actually went to the effort of putting on a show in San Jose of all places) -Doug ceres at sirius.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Sep 30 15:55:40 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:55:40 +0100 Subject: BOC,BRAIN,HW : Something for everyone? Message-ID: > Quicker Hawkwind question: Is Hawkwind punk? I once read something (Trouser Press Guide?) which said that some people considered Hawkwind offensive merely for existing, and if that wasn't punk, they didn't know what was :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Wed Sep 30 16:24:36 1998 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:24:36 -0400 Subject: HW: Punkwind In-Reply-To: <354285.3116177740@mac006.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 08:55 PM 9/30/98 +0100, you wrote: >> Quicker Hawkwind question: Is Hawkwind punk? > > I once read something (Trouser Press Guide?) which said that >some people considered Hawkwind offensive merely for existing, >and if that wasn't punk, they didn't know what was :) > Too true:) Nonetheless, hawkwind is punk for some pretty obivous reasons: 1. Music. It is a spit in the face of complexity (i.e. Yes,Gentle Giant,BOC) and the band abuses their intstruments for their own ends, as opposed to treating them like cherished thingys.If I remember once on the list there was a debate about HW songs being divided into 1,2,or 3 chords being used categories. That adheres to the punk tradition. 2. Stage show. Although it is not bareknuckled simplicity, it DOES try to bring the audience into te show/music via the dancers, lights and I'm sure the usage of "extracurricualr substanes" help that communal feel too. 3. The band's image is that of the quintassential60's subversive musical movement... Not groomed for cameras (or anyone for a good deal of their history), "space rock"=escapist leaning rfom reality, or rather the expansion of it, The Space Ritual format of improv/spoken word a la beatnick poetry stereotypes prior to beatnick being swallowed by culture as OK, doing those legendary free gigs outside the festivals to undermine capitalism, the tratment of the marketplace as a stepping stone (aka numerous labels but still consistent in product production), the heavyness of the sounds, easy to rock out to,... all the things punk be. 4. Urban Guerilla's lyrics are not Establishment friendly:) More to come maybe, Jason From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Wed Sep 30 15:18:07 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:18:07 -0500 Subject: Baby ice dog Message-ID: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU wrote: > I've been listening to T&M for at least 15 years now. And I still am not > sure what Baby Ice dog is about. It seems that it's about plunging someone > troublesome/unfaithful into ice. But I dunno fer sure. Then we get this: > > They'd like to make it with my big black dog > But they just don't know how to ask > You know they'd like to try anything that comes into your mind > Oh freeze on freeze on freeze on bone to bone > > What is up with the dog? Is it a metaphor (ala Jim Morrison, when "calling > on the dog" is a reference to god)? Why the shift in line 3 from third to > second person (also a typical Morrison move, ala "Words got me the wound, > and will get me well again/If you believe it")? Is the supposed woman > really a dog all along, and we see the reversal here (ala Zeppelin's Bron > Y Aur Stomp)? > > Or what? > > --tjr Well this is what I understand about the song, line 3 verse 6 should actually read "Anything that comes into their minds". The Big Black Dog I think is definitely a metaphor, in the verse. . . "Turn me round like a broke down hound now, crossing me once too often, now she's bound for a lower station, she crossing me once too often." This is kinda making a simile of him as a broke down hound, maybe he's been passive during the abuse he's received from her, and after the final straw when he could no longer take it he had a change of attitude and became the big black dog. The dog metaphor is used allot in this song, she's referred to as a baby ice dog "her deceit ah it gave me a chill, I found out now, that baby, that baby ice dog". During the song he becomes cold too, in the line. . . "And now the ladies all fear this Mongolian man, with ice down his face. . ." That's probably why he was too numb to assist her as she fell into the ice :-). I also love the sarcastic remark "Baby that's the breaks". Laj From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Sep 30 16:17:19 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:17:19 +0100 Subject: OFF: QotSA (fwd) Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 30, 1998 3:07 pm -0400 "Keith Henderson" wrote: > Carl spake... >>> QOTSA There've been quite some changes in Queens Of The Stone Ages >>> European tour schedule. > > Uhhh, could you tell us not-so-informed souls who these folks are?? This > isn't a name I've ever seen show up here or anywhere else for that matter. > I like the name though. Ah--Queens Of The Stone Age are the new band put together by Josh Homme (ex-Kyuss) and sound very much like one might expect (if one is familiar with Kyuss and Josh Homme!). They have an album being released imminently. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Sep 30 16:58:48 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:58:48 -0400 Subject: OFF: Electronic fest in Bay Area Message-ID: Hey Folks... This just appeared on the 'Sky Cries Mary' list. [SCM is on World Domination, so that's the link] For interest to those in the Bay Area (California, that is). Do we have many folks here from San Francisco and those parts?? Seems like there should be some, but perhaps you're all lurkers or something. :) Does anyone know any of these artists?? Spacetime Continuum is a name I remember seeing about, but I was thinking it was techno...that might be right, I don't know. From the artists' names, my guess is that a lot of this music is in the 'modern' vein, ie., techno/trance sort of stuff. [Presumably the Runaways UK are not the same as that old Runaways band with Joan Jett et al.] Keith H. (FAA) >For Immediate Release >www.betalounge.com/paraffin > >Paraffin...the reunion >@ the Backflip/Phoenix Hotel poolside!!! >601 Eddy St. @ Larkin, San Francisco >Saturday, October 10, 1998 - noon to midnight, come early stay late! >21 & over please > >An all day electronic music affair...presented by XLR8R Magazine, Mixman, >Om Records and the Betalounge >16 artists on 2 sound systems...!!!!! > >OUTSIDE: >The Runaways UK (360 Records) >Shantel (Studio !K7) >Spacetime Continuum (on hte E-MU E-6400) >DJ Ming & FS (Om Records/Deeper Concentration) >Mark Farina (Om Records) >Fluid Motion (Om Records) >Sang (Stir Fri-day) > >INSIDE: >DJ IZ (Om Records) >Charlotte the Baroness (Sunburn) >Infinite Posse (Sunburn/performing live) >Pimp Daddy Nash (World Domination) >Darwin Chamber (Mixman) >Wish FM (Domestic) >Darkhorse (360 Records) >Tomas (XLR8R) >Perfect (Betalounge) > >Sponsored by: Arcade America, Freak City, Domestic, Sunburn, E-Mu Systems, >Studio !K7, X-Radio, World Domination Recordings, SF Station, 360 >Records, skinny.com > >. Special Backflip Restaurant creations available all day with full dinner >menu from 7pm on! >. Promotional bags filled with CDs, software, and clothing given to 200 >attendees. >. Tickets available at Open Mind Music, Faster Bamboo, and Daddy's Records >$12 advance/ $15/door-day of show > >info line: 415-575-1805 From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Wed Sep 30 17:44:01 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David G) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:44:01 +0100 Subject: Tim Blake - opinions please Message-ID: I have both NJ and CM and can recommend both of them. They tend more toward the "octave Doctors" type material Blake did with Gong than the out and out Hawk stuff, but then he was always more ethereal than Simon House. IMO, CM is the easier listen, but both are pretty good 3am albums. I can't comment on Magick, I've never heard of it. In fact, which CD supplier is it from, I'll probably buy it! DaveG zeitgeist-scot wrote: > I've just got my dealer update and there's three Tim Blake albums back on - > Blake's New Jerusalem, Crystal Machine and Magick. > > Now I've never heard anything from any of these. Should I spend some hard > earned pennies? > > Opinions please. > > Z > NP UFO - Come Away Melinda > ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER > http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com > PO Box 13499, Edinburgh, EH6 8YL, UK > e-mail zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Sep 30 17:46:44 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:46:44 -0400 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet and Hawkwind ATTN DOUG P Message-ID: Doug, If no one's calimed it, I'll take it. rj sprawl at blackboard.com >Yes! The one with the 10 minutes of Lemmy bass freakout that was edited out >of the original 'Space Ritual' version. (speaking of which, I just >remembered that I have an extra 'Space Ritual 2' CD lying around ... if >anybody needs it, it's probably $10 or $11 postpaid in the US) > From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Wed Sep 30 17:57:43 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David G) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:57:43 +0100 Subject: Tim Blake - opinions please Message-ID: David G wrote: > I have both NJ and CM and can recommend both of them. They tend more toward > the "octave Doctors" type material Blake did with Gong than the out and out > Hawk stuff, but then he was always more ethereal than Simon House. IMO, CM > is the easier listen, but both are pretty good 3am albums. I can't comment on > Magick, I've never heard of it. In fact, which CD supplier is it from, I'll > probably buy it! > > DaveG > Just read the other replies to the post, I'm in the minority again, does this mean I get a grant? > zeitgeist-scot wrote: > > > I've just got my dealer update and there's three Tim Blake albums back on - > > Blake's New Jerusalem, Crystal Machine and Magick. > > > > Now I've never heard anything from any of these. Should I spend some hard > > earned pennies? > > > > Opinions please. > > > > Z > > NP UFO - Come Away Melinda > > ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER > > http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com > > PO Box 13499, Edinburgh, EH6 8YL, UK > > e-mail zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Sep 30 17:56:03 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:56:03 +0100 Subject: OFF: Help with Scandinavian space/psych In-Reply-To: <199809301901.PAA11364@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: At 15:01 30/09/98 -0400, you wrote: >Hej Folks... > >As I said earlier, I'd be coming to you for help on starting my efforts >towards a Scandinavian space/psych/electronic/ambient artist map. > >So, mainly what I need is geographical assistance (like, where are they all >from?), but would of course accept suggestions for other artists to consider. > There are three bands that I remember from the (very) dim, dark, distant past (70-73)with Scandinavian connections: Burnin' Red Ivanhoe, Wigwam & Tasavallan Presidentii (sp?). There's the inevitable problem with "classification" & whether they are "prog" or "psych" or "fusion", but BRI (Denmark, I think) are a cert (IMHO), their freak credentials enhanced by having recorded for John Peel's "Dandelion" label. I actually have a copy of their (2nd?) album "W.W.W." (I think that mighht have had a CD re-issue recently). Wigwam may be too far on the prog/fusion side of the equation, but may be worth checking out - can't remember where they were from, but I'm pretty sure they were mostly Scandinavians with 1 or 2 North Americans in the band. TP were definitely from Finland, and I think were pretty spacy, recorded at least two albums (for RCA, I think) one called "Milky Way Moses" which I nearly bought recently in a second-hand shop in Hull but decided it was on the wrong side of the price/condition equation. >Here are some other artists that I'm familiar with (their names at least, >not necessarily the music), but my feeling is that they're mostly 'too prog' >to be included. Feel free to disagree....my perception of those I don't >know firsthand may be wrong. > >--snip--< >Bo Hanssen Good (originally jazz) keyboard player. His "Lord of the Rings" was quite a good (if whimsical) attempt at relevant mood music. "The Magician's Hat" which came after was perhaps more musically interesting. He disappeared from UK musical horizons thereafter ('74-ish), but a couple of months ago I saw a more recent album by him which looked as if it was in the "New Age" category. >Jonas Hellborg Monster jazz-rock bass player - apparently v.good in the latterday Mahavishnu Orchestra, but I walked out on his duet with a drummer at the Brackenll Jazz Festival (the drummer later turned out to have been Ginger Baker (!) though I didn't recognize hime at the time). Hope my inane ramblings are of some use. ChrisW ObNorgeCD:Khmer - Nils Petter Molvaer Free your mind & watch your ass! From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Sep 30 18:33:15 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:33:15 -0400 Subject: HW: Tim Blake - opinions please Message-ID: Dave G. asks... >I can't comment on Magick, I've never heard of it. In fact, which CD supplier >is it from, I'll probably buy it! The Voiceprint label carried it over here in the states, though it was never widely distributed. (Gee, imagine that!) Good chance it's oop by now. I think they (Voiceprint) also offered a video (!), which IIRC wasn't a live performance but rather some homemade thing. But that could be completely wrong, I dunno. What (if anything) has Blake done in the last few years? I know he showed up at some of the Gong reunion gigs (UK mainly), and Brock was saying that he may guest with HW next year (the Death Generator shows), but other than that?? Where does he live these days?? Keith H. (FAA) From flossbac at WCIC.CIOE.COM Wed Sep 30 17:36:46 1998 From: flossbac at WCIC.CIOE.COM (John Majka) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:36:46 -0400 Subject: Tim Blake - opinions please In-Reply-To: <3612A957.AC7E1646@virgin.net> Message-ID: I realize I'm certainly in the minority, but I always HATED "Lighthouse" from Live79, and I wasn't that much interested in Blake's playing in general. I tried his solo albums as well and cared for them even less than what I heard in Hawkwind... John Majka flossbac at wcic.cioe.com From christmu at EUNET.NO Wed Sep 30 20:09:28 1998 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu at EUNET.NO) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 01:09:28 +0100 Subject: HW: Astral Mind Games / Astrology Box Set Message-ID: These are two HW boots I haven't seen discussed here... I am thinking of getting these but don't know what's on 'em! I suspect country of origin is USA,... anyone have these? A friend claims he saw AMG in upstate NY at a store so they must be in circulation... Christian From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 30 19:36:36 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:36:36 +0100 Subject: Tim Blake - opinions please In-Reply-To: David G's message of Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:57:43 +0100 Message-ID: David G writes: > David G wrote: > > > I have both NJ and CM and can recommend both of them. They tend more toward > > the "octave Doctors" type material Blake did with Gong than the out and out > > Hawk stuff, but then he was always more ethereal than Simon House. IMO, CM > > is the easier listen, but both are pretty good 3am albums. I can't comment on > > Magick, I've never heard of it. In fact, which CD supplier is it from, I'll > > probably buy it! Magick is a disappointment - primarily in that he tries to sing rather than let his music speak for him and it doesn't work. > > > > DaveG > > > > Just read the other replies to the post, I'm in the minority again, does this > mean I get a grant? Not quite a minority 8-) . I bought both albums at the same time and found I preferred Crystal Machine as having a harder feel to the synth sound which I initially preferred to NJ. However I've really come to appreciate the gentler intensity behind the NJ sound and his incredible ability to vary the tone and atmosphere and how he can fluctuate and move the music around. This is how electronic music should have developed in this country and if he had continued his music career then artists would have taken their examples from him rather than from more solid and serious German sound. It would have been a wholly different genre! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 30 19:49:35 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:49:35 +0100 Subject: HW: Tim Blake - opinions please In-Reply-To: Keith Henderson's message of Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:33:15 -0400 Message-ID: Keith Henderson writes: > Dave G. asks... > > >I can't comment on Magick, I've never heard of it. In fact, which CD > supplier >is it from, I'll probably buy it! > > The Voiceprint label carried it over here in the states, though it was never > widely distributed. (Gee, imagine that!) Good chance it's oop by now. I > think they (Voiceprint) also offered a video (!), which IIRC wasn't a live > performance but rather some homemade thing. But that could be completely > wrong, I dunno. Magick is still available from Mail Order - I see it occasionally. There was a video done of his show in the US but it was never widely distributed because it was initially filmed in NTSC (I think) and didn't convert well. I've got it but it's of distressingly poor quality. And, yes, there was a t-shirt too! > > What (if anything) has Blake done in the last few years? I know he showed > up at some of the Gong reunion gigs (UK mainly), and Brock was saying that > he may guest with HW next year (the Death Generator shows), but other than > that?? Where does he live these days?? He joined the Gong Reunion gig in London a few years back where he was completely hyper. But he seemed genuinely pleased to be back performing after a long break out of the music business and had certainly lost none of his enthusiasm. He also did a solo set on that occasion including a couple of Hawkwind tracks but I've heard nothing of him since and the various solo albums that were supposed to come from the gig never materialised. He was living in a windmill in France last I heard, complete with his own studio. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 30 20:09:58 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 01:09:58 +0100 Subject: Tim Blake - opinions please In-Reply-To: John Majka's message of Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:36:46 -0400 Message-ID: John Majka writes: > I realize I'm certainly in the minority, but I always HATED "Lighthouse" > from Live79, and I wasn't that much interested in Blake's playing in > general. I tried his solo albums as well and cared for them even less than > what I heard in Hawkwind... Interesting. I have to admit that I preferred his solo albums over the performance of Lighthouse on Live 79 - which was disappointing on the recording. I understand that he was terrific to hear on stage but I never managed to catch a live show. I think that New Jerusalem was also performed on that tour? But for some reason that track wasn't used on the Live album. I feel that his keyboards/synth added exactly the kind of extra sound in the same way that Simon House's violin or Nik Turner's flute/sax did that Hawkwind tend to lack sometimes when they haven't got a lead guitarist or they are short of a keyboard player or something. It's the top layer of sound that you hook on to above the underlying bass. I love that! But it's probably not to everyone's taste - just my particular favourite incarnation of Hawkwind I guess! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Sep 30 20:33:57 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:33:57 -0700 Subject: OFF: Electronic fest in Bay Area Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:58:48 -0400, Keith Henderson wrote: >Do we have many folks here from San Francisco and those parts?? Seems like >there should be some, but perhaps you're all lurkers or something. :) If there are any besides me, they're either lurkers or exclusive BOC fans. Given that the Bay Area has one of the highest concentrations of Hawkfans in the country (up there with Cleveland, I tend to think), I'm a bit surprised ... >Does anyone know any of these artists?? Spacetime Continuum is a name I >remember seeing about, but I was thinking it was techno...that might be >right, I don't know. From the artists' names, my guess is that a lot of >this music is in the 'modern' vein, ie., techno/trance sort of stuff. Definitely looks that way to me. I've seen a couple of those names around town, but this isn't really a scene that I'm familiar with, closed-minded rockist that I am. If there are any Bay Area folks on the list looking for a good show of mind-altering music during the month of October, Sonic Boom (of Spacemen 3, Spectrum, E.A.R.) is playing at the Bottom of the Hill on wednesday the 21st. Opening will be the Primordial Undermind, with a completely new lineup (except for frontal lobe Eric Arn) featuring that annoying space rock violinist who guested with ST37 at Strange Daze this year. ;^) If anyone on the east coast catches a Sonic Boom show before he gets out here, I'd love to see a review posted here ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From tclark at PETRONET.NET Wed Sep 30 15:27:45 1998 From: tclark at PETRONET.NET (Tom Clark) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:27:45 -0500 Subject: HW TOTP2 video Message-ID: Oh. Gee. Thanks. I started to download the file earlier, but had to interrupt the download. Oh well....darned copyright laws, ey. Appreciate the effort, though..... Alasdair Macdonald wrote: > On account of having inadvertently included copyright images in avi > file I posted to the web recently, I have this evening removed the file. > > Alasdair > > -- > Page me online: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 > Send me E-mail Express direct to my screen: 1573250 at pager.mirabilis.com > > alimac at netcomuk.co.uk (Alasdair Macdonald)