From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Sun Nov 1 06:13:38 1998 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 12:13:38 +0100 Subject: OFF: Test Message-ID: Test. From plamotte at SKYNET.BE Sun Nov 1 06:48:02 1998 From: plamotte at SKYNET.BE (Po) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 12:48:02 +0100 Subject: UNLIMBO on tour in Europe In-Reply-To: Message-ID: November is always the time for gigs. Neo-psychedelic nights with, as main artist, the new english sensation, Unlimbo, who are in the following of Ozric Tentacles, of Aum, and most of all, of Ship of Fools. 'Prahna Fish', their autoproduct first album, offers us a real nineties Space Rock, mixed with ethnic influences, alterning floating guitars (long tracks full of bubbles while a lot just close their eyes to reach this bliss that brings them nearer to the bodhisattvas) and Space Dubs (the time where, ungluing his eyelids inflated whith wisness and compassion, the bodhisattva joins his brothers and sisters in a slow hallucinatic communion). The support act in La Zone in Li?ge is a brand new home band. It's called ELECTRO : lux and it's doing a very ondulating Space Rock close to Strobe that will interrest all the Hawkwind fans as well as the '70 german scene fans (Can, Faust, Neu, ) So, we want YOU on this tour ! November 07 - La Zone, Li?ge-Luttich-Luik (Bel.) 08 - Carrewile Cafe, Merchtem (Bel.) 11 - Poortgeeoow, Rotterdam (NL) 12 - Dendermonse, Brussels (Bel.) 13 - Dertmond(?), Gent (Bel.) 14 - Hotel Bosch, Den Haag (NL) 15 - Swaaf, Hoorn (NL) 16 - Kronen 17 - Gasfabriek, Groningen (NL) 18 - Hamburg (DE) 19 - Flensbourg (DE) 20 - Potsdam (DE) 21 - Prenzlaverberg, Berlin (DE) From mrippa at MEDIASAT.IT Sun Nov 1 14:46:34 1998 From: mrippa at MEDIASAT.IT (massimo rippa) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 20:46:34 +0100 Subject: HW:techno tributes Message-ID: Hi Hawkgang, Anybody can reccomend me any of the tributes to HW by techno\trance artists ? Thanx Massimo From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Nov 1 14:58:34 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 19:58:34 -0000 Subject: HW: Well I never! Message-ID: Out of boredom/curiosity I looked up the homepage of the dreadful support band for the recent Bedouin gig (http://i.am.define), and I quote: "Now we're home our next gig is at the West One Four club in West Kensington (was The Orange - one of our favourites) where we share the bill with 70's rockers Hawkwind making a comeback as Bedouin, we're also looking for UK radio and TV plays. Keep in touch!" - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Mon Nov 2 04:32:00 1998 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:32:00 GMT Subject: Bootleg CD removal fr Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1998-11-02 09:32 If its any help, my suggestion on this is: Removal all bootlegs from the Codex! Given that every new boot appearing will have to be subject to the "was this produced in sufficient numbers?" guessing game, it makes things a lot simpler to leave them out all together. However, a new list (perhaps called Codpiece or CD-X??) could be started which to keep things simple, lists *all* CDRs by title with track listings. As we all have text search facilities, it wouldn't be a problem to look through for specific tracks and one main benefit of keeping things listed by CDR (other than ease of maintenance) is that one can tell at a glance *exactly* what is on the CD which is probably more relevant when buying these things. Thanks to those who maintain the Codex by the way! Mark From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Mon Nov 2 07:34:52 1998 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 14:34:52 +0200 Subject: HW: Codex Message-ID: I totally agree with Mike that this is a good time to step in and make the change as more and more bootleg or CD-r shows will continue to show up. In the Codex: ------------- Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and Watchfield (vinyl boot of Weird 103) The Golden Void (vinyl boot of Glasgow 1982) Solstice at Stonehenge (Yugoslav vinyl boot of Stonehenge 83) Live at St. Albans - (live 79 boot CD released in fair numbers) Kings of Speed, Lords of Light (semiofficial boot CD of German gig) Assassins of Allah (compilation vinyl boot) Dawn of Hawkwind (compilation CD boot) Rock City (CD boot of 93 gig) The Cyberspace Conspiracy (vinyl boot) Orgasmatron Out of the Codex: ----------------- Nova Drive (CD boot) Timeless Paens From The Ongoing Rituals of Space (CD boot) The Secret Tepee (CD boot) Corridor of Flame (CD boot) The A Files (CD boot) Hawkwind Live at the Kinetic Playground (CD boot) Atomhenge 76 (CD boot) A Quark Night in Paris (CD boot) Damnation Alley (Minneapolis 89 CD boot) Theta Orionis (CD boot) So I guess 1998 will go down as the year of no Hawkwind shows... (with Dave Brock).. I wonder what 1999 will hold for us? Can they really get Simon, Lemmy, Nik etc.. together for a 1999 reunion show? Will the festival happen in Belgium with Hawkwind, Alan's band, Huw's band, Harvey's band, Nik's band, etc.. really happen? Will Darxtar really show up in Hamburg in June? So many questions.. scott ObCs- La Compagilia Digitale (Italy 1979) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 2 11:26:39 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:26:39 GMT Subject: Bootleg CD removal from Codex proposed In-Reply-To: Kevin Sommers's message of Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:59:20 -0700 Message-ID: Kevin Sommers writes: > >Damnation Alley should definitely be out! > >I'm not convinced that Theta Orionis should stay in either. I agree > >that this is about the only one I've ever seen available at record fairs > >but surely it is in exactly the same category as all the other bootlegs > >and giving this credence in the Codex simply by sure wieght of numbers > >when we are excluding others of identical type doesn't really seem to > >justfy its inclusion. I vote against it - if only on grounds of > >consistency. > >jill > My thinking on 'Theta Orionis' is that it's a "proper" CD, as opposed to a > CD-R; I think that's where the line should be drawn. There's no easy way to draw the line. To be as ruthlessly consistent as Jill alludes to would require that Live at St.Albans, Rock City, Orgasmatron, and Dawn of Hawkwind would have to go out with Theta Orionis. To my mind the Codex was there to inform hawkfans on which versions of which tracks appeared on which albums. This quite obviously has a point where albums that they are likely to see are concerned. The aforementioned are in that category whereas the short runs of CD-Rs are not. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 2 11:29:00 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:29:00 GMT Subject: OFF : Gothenberg fire In-Reply-To: Johan Edlundh's message of Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:05:07 +0100 Message-ID: Johan Edlundh writes: > >PS: I heard on the news about the fire in Gothenberg. My sympathies > >to all and anyone involved there. > > The country is in a shock state today. I can believe it. There are rumours over here that it was a racist arson attack. Is that really the story? Mike From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Mon Nov 2 11:41:35 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 11:41:35 -0500 Subject: HW: Passports Message-ID: O.K. Stupid question time on the Hawkwind Passports. Since I have to send a SASE, what do I put for postage? Since it will be coming from England to the U.S. From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Nov 2 12:48:37 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (The Automind) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:48:37 PST Subject: OFF: THE MARGARET THATCHER APPRECIATION HOUR! Message-ID: I scored a time slot at my college's radio station! Until I come up with a better name, I'm calling it: "The Margaret Thatcher Appreciation Hour!" (Fridays 10pm-12am) Most of what I play is Hawkwind/Calvert material alongside the Velvet Underground, BOC, Motorhead etc. Here's the catch- I bring a female friend of mine on as a co-host, who listens only to trendy pop-music like the Barenaked Ladies, The Big Bad Voodoo Daddies, Moxy Fruvous (you get the idea). Throughout the show we make fun of each other's tastes and fight over whose music to play, sometimes getting so into it that we shut off each other's microphones or talk over the music. This friday is our third show, and now that I'm putting up posters I expect our listening audience to increase dramaticaly (we know there *are* people listening since we get phone calls every so-often). The broadcasting range is pathetic, about 1.5 miles if even that. The station is however in a densely populated area (Boston, MA) so we can reach quite a few people, most importantly the lads drinking in the park down the street! I'm being honest when I tell you that it's remarkeably funny, though unprofessional. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue Nov 3 08:33:08 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 08:33:08 -0500 Subject: OFF: TEST Message-ID: This is a test of my ability to revieve messages from BOC-L This is only a test If this had been an actual post, the words following the subject line would contain actual information pertaining to Blue Oyster Cult, Hawkwind, or Moose. This concludes the test. From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Tue Nov 3 13:09:14 1998 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 19:09:14 +0100 Subject: Bootleg CD removal from Codex proposed Message-ID: Johan Edlundh schrieb: > >> Out of the Codex: > >> Damnation Alley > > > >Does anyone know the history of this one? > > same German source as the Secret Tepee CD-R. > Only 7 copies were made. Recorded at Minneapolis - First Avenue - 1989.10.04 Yes, and one is mine. And I did the sleeve for this one. There is one bootleg that?s not mentioned here: the Mind Journey LP. There exists only one copy, and the owner is Brian Tawn who pressed it in the late 70?s. It?s a white label LP and a plain white sleeve. It was the first HW boot ever. Andreas From john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM Tue Nov 3 17:33:40 1998 From: john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM (john.m.gray) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 14:33:40 -0800 Subject: Where's the Mail? Message-ID: No messages from the list for two days? What's up with this? 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URL: From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Wed Nov 4 05:51:03 1998 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 12:51:03 +0200 Subject: OFF: Ozrics News Message-ID: UK TOUR DATES The guys will be going on a short UK tour - more dates to be added (I will let you know as soon as I receive details) - here are the dates that have been confirmed thus far: There will be a full European tour to coincide with the remix album thru March and it is hoped that a US tour will be scheduled for May time - more details as they emerge. December 2nd - LIVERPOOL (Lomax) December 6th - GLASGOW (G2) December 8th - EDINBURGH (Venue) December 9th - BELFAST (Empire) December 11th - PORTSMOUTH (Wedgwood Rooms) December 13th - LONDON (LA2) December 15th - COLCHESTER (Arts Centre) December 18th - BRISTOL (Fleece & Firkin) REMIX UPDATE TITLE: FLOATING SEEDS Release Date: 23rd February Track Listing now confirmed supercedes all previous corespondence. Track order to be confirmed - final mixes will be in by last week of November. TRACK REMIXED BY FROM ALBUM Strangeitude Eat Static Strangeitude Eternal Wheel Zion Train Erpland Pteranodon Hallucinogen Jurassic Shift Meander DJ BNX Curious Corn Sploosh Youth Strangeitude Wobglass Will White (Propellerheads) Become the Other Afroclonk Space Raiders Curious Corn Neurochasm Sparky Lightbourne Become The Other Lets hope that these techno guys do a better job than what has been done with the HW stuff.. scott ObCs- Klaus Schultze- Derby England 6/97 ObCs- Architectural Metaphor- Strange Daze 98 From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Wed Nov 4 05:53:23 1998 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 12:53:23 +0200 Subject: OFF: On Trial Message-ID: Hej, Some of you have seen or heard about the danish psych rock band, ON TRIAL. Well, here is the latest news: The 10" On Trial Head Ep is coming out on the streets around the 16th of November '98 on Delerium records out of England. It will contain Five years ahead of my time, by Third Bardo, Be Forwarned, by Macbra. Signed DC, by LOVE, Slip inside this house live from Loppen, and I've always been here before both by Roky Erickson. The band will have a full length CD out on Delerium on Feb. scott ObCs- Alien Planetscapes- Strange Daze 98 From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 4 07:12:44 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 12:12:44 GMT Subject: Japanese Doremi LP Message-ID: I got a flyer from someone with a copy of this LP with the extra Silver Machine track for 30 Pounds +P&P. He also has the Japanese CD for 25 Pounds He's Toshiyasu Sasaki Piloti Kunitachi 101 43-14 Hikari-cho 1 Chome kokobunji-shi Tokyo 185-0034 Japan Fax: (81) 425 76 4036 From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Wed Nov 4 07:19:22 1998 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:19:22 +0100 Subject: OFF: test Message-ID: test. please ignore! From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Nov 4 09:19:50 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:19:50 -0500 Subject: BOC: Future Mobile Fidelity Releases? Message-ID: Someone recently posted on AOL that Mobile Fidelity is going to release "Gold" CDs of the first 2 BOC CDs. At the moment, there's nothing on their website about it, so I assume it won't be for a few months. John From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Wed Nov 4 06:09:49 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:09:49 +0000 Subject: Test Message-ID: Anybody home? From johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM Wed Nov 4 14:03:29 1998 From: johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 20:03:29 +0100 Subject: Ping BOC-l Message-ID: >Ping BOC-l BOC-l is alive. From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Wed Nov 4 17:31:33 1998 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 17:31:33 EST Subject: HW: Passports Message-ID: In a message dated 11/4/98 4:54:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM writes: << O.K. Stupid question time on the Hawkwind Passports. Since I have to send a SASE, what do I put for postage? Since it will be coming from England to the U.S. >> you need to send an IRC...(international reply coupon) which can be purchased at almost any local post office bob http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html From CWUDDLY at AOL.COM Wed Nov 4 18:22:35 1998 From: CWUDDLY at AOL.COM ( C WuddlyAaol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 18:22:35 EST Subject: Best Practical Joke In The World!!!!!!! Message-ID: Please distribute this to everyone you know on earth. When John Glenn returns from space, everybody dress in ape suits. We have 6 days in which to bury the Statue of Liberty up to her head. EVERYBODY HURRY ! ! ! From harpo87 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Nov 4 18:45:38 1998 From: harpo87 at HOTMAIL.COM (PER ANDERS JOHANSSON) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 15:45:38 PST Subject: OFF : Gothenberg fire Message-ID: ITs really not nown what happens yet in the fire,but 62 young people are death,but it sounds some very strange things started that fire,i can keep everyone update with this. PER-ANDERS JOHANSSON;SWEDEN >Received: from [192.107.46.113] by hotmail.com (1.0) with SMTP id MHotMail3087673691873506532498322824971339852; Wed Nov 04 15:08:17 1998 >Received: from listserv.spc.edu (listserv at listserv.spc.edu [192.107.46.113]) > by listserv.spc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.8/SPC-2.2-NORELAY) with ESMTP id QAA21626; > Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:54:05 -0500 (EST) >Received: from LISTSERV.SPC.EDU by LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release > 1.8b) with spool id 0885 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Wed, 4 Nov 1998 > 16:54:04 -0500 >Received: from mailgate.spc.edu (root at mailgate.spc.edu [192.107.46.158]) by > listserv.spc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.8/SPC-2.2-NORELAY) with ESMTP id LAA15356 > for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 11:29:14 -0500 (EST) >Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (fofp at holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.17]) by > mailgate.spc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/SPC-3.0-NORELAY) with ESMTP id LAA21593 > for ; Mon, 2 Nov 1998 11:29:12 -0500 (EST) >Received: (from fofp at localhost) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA04404; > Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:29:00 GMT >Message-ID: <199811021629.QAA04404 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk> >Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:29:00 GMT >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >From: M Holmes >Subject: OFF : Gothenberg fire >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >In-Reply-To: Johan Edlundh's message of Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:05:07 +0100 > >Johan Edlundh writes: >> >PS: I heard on the news about the fire in Gothenberg. My sympathies >> >to all and anyone involved there. >> >> The country is in a shock state today. > >I can believe it. There are rumours over here that it was a racist arson >attack. Is that really the story? > >Mike ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Nov 4 19:01:23 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 19:01:23 -0500 Subject: Klaatu (was groovie sci-fi movie) Message-ID: >I used to be severely into Klaatu. Sir Army Suit was my favorite. Followed >by Hope. There was another, which was VERY pop. >Sounded like the Beatles again. I sold it long ago and cannot recall the >title. One song made it to local radio, The love of a Woman or something >similar. I have this other album by a group called the dreamies which is a >VERY LSD-trippy take off of SGT PEPPER. >Always thought that might be Klaatu in disguise. Are you kidding, man?? 'Cause I'm certain I heard that there was a big rumour going around (following the release of the first Klaatu album) that these guys were exactly the Beatles in disguise. I remember hearing one of their albums once back in the early 80s, but I couldn't tell you a thing about what it sounded like. Keith H. (FAA) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 4 19:27:46 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 00:27:46 GMT Subject: HW: Passports In-Reply-To: Hall, Russell J's message of Mon, 2 Nov 1998 11:41:35 -0500 Message-ID: Hall, Russell J writes: > O.K. Stupid question time on the Hawkwind Passports. > > Since I have to send a SASE, what do I put for postage? Since it will be > coming from England to the U.S. You should be able to get an International Reply Coupon (IRC) at the post office. FoFP From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Wed Nov 4 19:03:42 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 09:03:42 +0900 Subject: Japanese Doremi LP Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > > I got a flyer from someone with a copy of this LP with the extra Silver > Machine track for 30 Pounds +P&P. He also has the Japanese CD for 25 > Pounds > > He's > > Toshiyasu Sasaki > Piloti Kunitachi 101 > 43-14 Hikari-cho 1 Chome > kokobunji-shi > Tokyo 185-0034 > Japan > > Fax: (81) 425 76 4036 Hi Guys, Since I'm in Tokyo working, if anyone buys this, let me know and I'll hand carry it back to the UK at Christmas. Better than risking British Airways legendarily gentle baggage handling! Dave From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Nov 4 19:29:31 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 19:29:31 -0500 Subject: HW/OFF: CMJ festival in NYC Message-ID: Hi Folks... Now that the list is back up... :) I know I've already mentioned this once before, but anyone who is in the NYC area, or is going to be there this weekend (starting tomorrow actually) for the CMJ (College Music Journal?) music marathon, might want to check out these bands in particular. For those who don't know what I'm talking about (and I didn't until just a week or two ago), the CMJ music marathon is a city-wide (meaning most of the main rock clubs participate) showcase for hundreds of bands from around the world to perform for both the public and any industry representatives. Individuals can buy passes that allow them into any show they wish, or pay whatever cover is required at each show individually. (I *think* that's the way it works anyway.) You can see the list of bands playing at www.cmj.com (look for the Music Marathon '98 icon), but (as of Monday) they didn't give individual performance times. But here are three recommendations I can give to any Hawkwind or psych/space fan who's looking for a cool band to see this weekend. Thursday, Nov. 5 (tomorrow!) at 11 pm. 7% Solution at Knitting Factory Friday, Nov. 6 at ?? Walk on Water at Continental Club Saturday, Nov. 7 at 11 pm. Asteroid #4 at Baby Jupiter I like all three of these bands quite a lot (particularly Walk on Water), and have seen/met two of the three in person. 7% Solution (from Texas) I would say is more like UK-style thick dreamy psych/space, kind of like the Verve's first album. Walk on Water is seriously energetic and loud psyche rock, towards Monster Magnet territory, but not quite so angry....ie., aggressive, yet cosmic and melodic. I love this band. If you see them, say hello to anyone in the band (they're cool people) and tell them I 'sent' you. Asteroid #4 has a laid-back effects-heavy dual guitar sound with some eastern influences, and is totally retro 60s psych in appearance. Nice if you like that sort of thing. Well, I'd really like to be in town to see all three of these acts, but can't really swing it. According to the on-line list, there are a few others there that might be of some interest to listmembers... Nebula - the spinoff group from Fu Manchu (extremely similar to the parent band, maybe a little better even) Asha Vida - a band from Detroit that I see called 'Space Rock', but I suspect it might be more like 'Space Rock Lite' (the CD I ordered hasn't arrived yet) Komeda - a Swedish synth-pop group with a female vocalist, but one that doesn't make you violently ill like Ace of Base...the music is actually kind of interesting, and seemingly based on Neu! or Can style rhythms. I'm sorry, but I have no idea where or when this weekend these three bands will be performing. Keith H. (FAA) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Nov 4 20:15:47 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 20:15:47 -0500 Subject: HW:Under the Sun Message-ID: Al gives us the inside scoop... >During the late 70's I was involved in the local rock scene in Telford >Shropshire . Thanks man...A few years ago, I had seen the name 'Under the Sun' appear somewhere with a strong recommendation in the 'space' arena. I remember then searching the web for any more info on them, but came up with some band from Texas that wasn't remotely in the right category. So just be aware that there's another band called 'Under the Sun' that has no connection with the Telford guys. So, are there any recordings of the Telford UtS available anywhere?? Yours in Space...Keith H. (FAA) ObCD: We - Wooferwheels From synthesis9000 at ETHOS.ST Wed Nov 4 21:19:32 1998 From: synthesis9000 at ETHOS.ST (Brian W. Kuhar) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 18:19:32 -0800 Subject: TAPE TRADE Message-ID: My name is Brian and I am new to this e-mail list. I have an RoIO of BOC from February of this year. Anyone want to trade for good live Hawkwind? From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Nov 4 22:28:33 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 22:28:33 -0500 Subject: Klaatu (was groovie sci-fi movie) Message-ID: Actually, no, I was serious. But now that you mention it, I had heard that rumour two, although I never believed it for a microsecond. It's sorta funny, but not really. I think it was just two groups whose members were obsessed with the beatles. rj -----Original Message----- From: Keith Henderson To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Wednesday, November 04, 1998 7:07 PM Subject: Re: Klaatu (was groovie sci-fi movie) >>I used to be severely into Klaatu. Sir Army Suit was my favorite. Followed >>by Hope. There was another, which was VERY pop. >>Sounded like the Beatles again. I sold it long ago and cannot recall the >>title. One song made it to local radio, The love of a Woman or something >>similar. I have this other album by a group called the dreamies which is a >>VERY LSD-trippy take off of SGT PEPPER. >>Always thought that might be Klaatu in disguise. > >Are you kidding, man?? 'Cause I'm certain I heard that there was a big >rumour going around (following the release of the first Klaatu album) that >these guys were exactly the Beatles in disguise. > >I remember hearing one of their albums once back in the early 80s, but I >couldn't tell you a thing about what it sounded like. > >Keith H. (FAA) From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Nov 4 22:29:41 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 22:29:41 -0500 Subject: Best Practical Joke In The World!!!!!!! Message-ID: LOL -----Original Message----- From: SallyAnn Moore at blackboard.com To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Wednesday, November 04, 1998 6:29 PM Subject: Best Practical Joke In The World!!!!!!! >Please distribute this to everyone you know on earth. > >When John Glenn returns from space, everybody dress in ape suits. > >We have 6 days in which to bury the Statue of Liberty up to her head. > >EVERYBODY HURRY ! ! ! From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Nov 4 22:41:15 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 22:41:15 -0500 Subject: HW: Well I never! Message-ID: Well. Did ya bother to wake anyone up while you were there? That is unfair to Hawkwind, and if I were a member of Bedouin, I might be a little _annoyed_ by this. >Out of boredom/curiosity I looked up the homepage of the dreadful support >band for the recent Bedouin gig (http://i.am.define), and I quote: > >"Now we're home our next gig is at the West One Four club in West Kensington >(was The Orange - one of our favourites) where we share the bill with 70's >rockers Hawkwind making a comeback as Bedouin, we're also looking for UK >radio and TV plays. Keep in touch!" > >- Andy > >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Wed Nov 4 23:08:00 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 22:08:00 -0600 Subject: BOC: Future Mobile Fidelity Releases? Message-ID: John A Swartz wrote: > Someone recently posted on AOL that Mobile Fidelity is going to release > "Gold" CDs of the first 2 BOC CDs. At the moment, there's nothing on > their website about it, so I assume it won't be for a few months. > > John That's good, means "Agents of Fortune" was selling, it would also seem that they have enough confidence in BOC fans to buy them, which is also cool. But you would think there next release would be "Fire of Unknown Origin". Laj. From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Wed Nov 4 23:20:33 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 13:20:33 +0900 Subject: Best Practical Joke In The World!!!!!!! Message-ID: Oh....if only!! " C WuddlyAaol.com" wrote: > Please distribute this to everyone you know on earth. > > When John Glenn returns from space, everybody dress in ape suits. > > We have 6 days in which to bury the Statue of Liberty up to her head. > > EVERYBODY HURRY ! ! ! From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Nov 5 02:31:30 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 15:31:30 +0800 Subject: Klaatu (was groovie sci-fi movie) In-Reply-To: <001201be086c$62cc5100$25a48fcc@sprawl> Message-ID: > Actually, no, I was serious. But now that you mention it, I had heard that > rumour two, although I never believed it for a microsecond. > > It's sorta funny, but not really. I think it was just two groups whose > members were obsessed with the beatles. > rj Some of the REAL members are creditied as songwriters on Sir Army Suit. William From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 5 05:50:47 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 10:50:47 GMT Subject: Japanese Doremi LP In-Reply-To: Dave Greenhalgh's message of Thu, 5 Nov 1998 09:03:42 +0900 Message-ID: Dave Greenhalgh writes: > M Holmes wrote: > > > > I got a flyer from someone with a copy of this LP with the extra Silver > > Machine track for 30 Pounds +P&P. He also has the Japanese CD for 25 > > Pounds > > > > He's > > > > Toshiyasu Sasaki > > Piloti Kunitachi 101 > > 43-14 Hikari-cho 1 Chome > > kokobunji-shi > > Tokyo 185-0034 > > Japan > > > > Fax: (81) 425 76 4036 > > > Hi Guys, > > Since I'm in Tokyo working, if anyone buys this, let me know and I'll > hand carry it back to the UK at Christmas. Better than risking British > Airways legendarily gentle baggage handling! I wrote off for this and got an acknowledgement back that it was reserved for me. However they sent a catalogue as well and I discovered that what I had reserved was a reissue and not the original issue. So I sent back the appropriate money for the original issue and asked if I could have this instead of the reissue but if it wasn't available could they send me the reissue anyway since it was reserved for me. Since then I have heard nothing 8-( But I'm still hoping *-} jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Nov 5 06:05:38 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 11:05:38 -0000 Subject: HW: Well I never! In-Reply-To: <004b01be086e$29c2a740$25a48fcc@sprawl> Message-ID: No, I didn't pay Define much attention at the show, and I only saw their website at the weekend. If you want to go to http://i.am/define yourself you can give them an earful. Then again they're just bunch of snotty-nosed kids playing half-arsed sub-Floyd so who really cares what they think! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of sprawl > Sent: 05 November 1998 03:41 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: HW: Well I never! > > > Well. Did ya bother to wake anyone up while you were there? > That is unfair to Hawkwind, and if I were a member of Bedouin, I might > be a little _annoyed_ by this. > > > > >Out of boredom/curiosity I looked up the homepage of the dreadful support > >band for the recent Bedouin gig (http://i.am.define), and I quote: > > > >"Now we're home our next gig is at the West One Four club in West > Kensington > >(was The Orange - one of our favourites) where we share the bill > with 70's > >rockers Hawkwind making a comeback as Bedouin, we're also looking for UK > >radio and TV plays. Keep in touch!" > > > >- Andy > > > >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 5 06:24:54 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 11:24:54 GMT Subject: Bootleg CD removal from Codex proposed In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:26:39 GMT Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > Kevin Sommers writes: > > > >Damnation Alley should definitely be out! > > >I'm not convinced that Theta Orionis should stay in either. I agree > > >that this is about the only one I've ever seen available at record fairs > > >but surely it is in exactly the same category as all the other bootlegs > > >and giving this credence in the Codex simply by sure wieght of numbers > > >when we are excluding others of identical type doesn't really seem to > > >justfy its inclusion. I vote against it - if only on grounds of > > >consistency. > > > >jill > > > My thinking on 'Theta Orionis' is that it's a "proper" CD, as opposed to a > > CD-R; I think that's where the line should be drawn. > > There's no easy way to draw the line. To be as ruthlessly consistent as > Jill alludes to would require that Live at St.Albans, Rock City, > Orgasmatron, and Dawn of Hawkwind would have to go out with Theta > Orionis. In fact, yes, this is precisely what I would recommend. Live at St. Albans is nothing more than a bad CD of a tape and although it was unique at the time - being among the first of its kind - is still exactly the same status as the later ones. Even Orgasmatron (which I am inclined to hesitate over due to the uniqueness of some of its material) is still a bootleg CD and should go with the rest. They can remain listed in the discography surely, so they'll still exist on record (as it were) but they are not appropriate for a Codex listing. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Nov 5 06:46:21 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 11:46:21 -0000 Subject: Best Practical Joke In The World!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, I'm not the first to point this out, but he's coming back to find that Jesse "the Body" Ventura is Governor of Minnesota. Which ought to be enough of a head-fuck for anybody... - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of C WuddlyAaol.com > Sent: 04 November 1998 23:23 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Best Practical Joke In The World!!!!!!! > > > Please distribute this to everyone you know on earth. > > When John Glenn returns from space, everybody dress in ape suits. > > We have 6 days in which to bury the Statue of Liberty up to her head. > > EVERYBODY HURRY ! ! ! > From christmu at EUNET.NO Thu Nov 5 07:10:11 1998 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu at EUNET.NO) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 13:10:11 +0100 Subject: Klaatu (was groovie sci-fi movie) Message-ID: Keith writes: Are you kidding, man?? 'Cause I'm certain I heard that there was a big rumour going around (following the release of the first Klaatu album) that these guys were exactly the Beatles in disguise. I remember hearing one of their albums once back in the early 80s, but I couldn't tell you a thing about what it sounded like. --------- Well, its about time and long overdue that you purchase your first Beatles record :) The "rumour" that Klaatu were The Beatles was something of a joke that turned into an unintentional hoax I think. I doubt anyone aside from children and people generally not so into music really beleived it, but it definetly boosted their publicity and success for a short time. I had their first album which was sort of charming and goofy west-coast sounding Beatlesesque tunes. Christian ObStrangeDreamMemory: a kids' festival at the foot of a mountain where Nik Turner w/some band played under the name of "Tiki-Wind" (on the poster they were added on last with a non-repro blue pencil!). I don't think Thor Heyerdahl was in the band tho. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Nov 5 07:28:30 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 12:28:30 -0000 Subject: Klaatu (was groovie sci-fi movie) In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19981105131011.034fd25c@pop.eunet.no> Message-ID: > > ObStrangeDreamMemory: a kids' festival at the foot of a mountain where Nik > Turner w/some band played under the name of "Tiki-Wind" (on the > poster they > were added on last with a non-repro blue pencil!). I don't think Thor > Heyerdahl was in the band tho. > That was actually "Tinky-Wind", the shirt-lived collaboration with the Teletubbies. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 5 07:28:51 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 12:28:51 GMT Subject: Herzberg Festival 1976 Message-ID: Does anyone have the playlist for the Hawkwind set? FoFP From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Nov 5 07:43:37 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 12:43:37 +0000 Subject: OFF: Half Man Half Biscuit Message-ID: For all lovers of the weird and wonderful, I just thought I'd remind you that Half Man Half Biscuit are playing the Mean Fiddler tomorrow night (Friday 6th). Seven quid. Does anyone know a good pub near the Mean Fiddler - I'm sad to say I don't think I've ever been. Cheers, Rich. ** "Henry Rollins, Henry Rollins, you're hard, you're hard" ** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 5 08:04:34 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 13:04:34 GMT Subject: Best Practical Joke In The World!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Thu, 5 Nov 1998 11:46:21 -0000 Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > Well, I'm not the first to point this out, but he's coming back to find that > Jesse "the Body" Ventura is Governor of Minnesota. > > Which ought to be enough of a head-fuck for anybody... > > - Andy Judging from CNN last night tho' it seems that even those who didn't vote for him were surprisingly impressed by listening to him afterwards and were prepared to give him their support - for a while at least. America - land of opportunity. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Nov 5 08:39:08 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 13:39:08 +0000 Subject: Best Practical Joke In The World!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <000901be08b1$e89ba2a0$5e2e63c3@default> Message-ID: At 11:46 05/11/98 -0000, Andy Gilham wrote: >Well, I'm not the first to point this out, but he's coming back to find that >Jesse "the Body" Ventura is Governor of Minnesota. > >Which ought to be enough of a head-fuck for anybody... Well, they've already had a b-movie actor as president! What next, a chat show host? Dave (wishing I could believe that it wouldn't happen here) Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Nov 5 08:43:48 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 13:43:48 -0000 Subject: HW: In Your Area Message-ID: Wasn't this supposed to be out about now? Obviously it's not, just wondered if anyone had heard anything... - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM Thu Nov 5 10:28:28 1998 From: mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM (Matthew Braun) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 09:28:28 CST Subject: OFF: Re: THE MARGARET THATCHER APPRECIATION HOUR! In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 05 Nov 1998 05:00:44 CST." <199811051000.FAA27437@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: >"The Margaret Thatcher Appreciation Hour!" (Fridays 10pm-12am) > >Here's the catch- I bring a female friend of mine on as a co-host, who >listens only to trendy pop-music like the Barenaked Ladies, The Big Bad >Voodoo Daddies, Moxy Fruvous (you get the idea). Moxy Fruvous is trendy pop-music? Maybe someone ought to tell them that... m@ +-mbraun at urbana.css.mot.com-+--Experiments that failed too many times -----BOC+ | Matt Braun -- Motorola, | Transformations that were too hard to find | | Urbana, IL Design Centre | Poison's in my bloodstream, poison's in my pride| +---------------------------+--- I'm after rebellion, I'll settle for lies----+ From hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU Thu Nov 5 10:46:21 1998 From: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU (hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 09:46:21 -0600 Subject: warrior on leave In-Reply-To: <199811051528.JAA11059@chestburster.urbana.css.mot.com> Message-ID: I recently tried to order Hawkwind's Warrior on the Edge of Time from amazon.com, and after two months of trying, they just informed me that it is unavailable. anyone know where I can get it? and does anyone know if there are other versions of it out there with extra songs? thanks, thomas From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Thu Nov 5 10:50:48 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 10:50:48 -0500 Subject: warrior on leave Message-ID: Have you tried www.musicblvd.com? They have decent prices and the best shipping deal ($2.00 no matter the size of the order). > ---------- > From: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU[SMTP:hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: Thursday, November 05, 1998 10:46 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: warrior on leave > > I recently tried to order Hawkwind's Warrior on the Edge of Time from > amazon.com, and after two months of trying, they just informed me that it > is unavailable. anyone know where I can get it? and does anyone know if > there are other versions of it out there with extra songs? > > thanks, > thomas > From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Nov 5 11:15:39 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 00:15:39 +0800 Subject: Chronicles CD Video? In-Reply-To: <91B3F4CA7220D1118BA00000F83114BD0193E789@EMSS05M03.ems.lmco.com> Message-ID: Hi there Anyone know of somewhere that I can get this item from. I've tried one or two places that list it, but don't actually have it. Also, I'm interested in getting copies of some of the Weird Tapes, particularly the Dave Brock solo material as well as the Nik Turner material recorded around the time of Xitintoday. Can anybody help? William From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Nov 5 12:07:54 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (The Automind) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 09:07:54 PST Subject: warrior on leave Message-ID: >Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 09:46:21 -0600 >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >From: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU >Subject: warrior on leave >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > >I recently tried to order Hawkwind's Warrior on the Edge of Time from >amazon.com, and after two months of trying, they just informed me that it >is unavailable. anyone know where I can get it? and does anyone know if >there are other versions of it out there with extra songs? You might try looking for the box set (?). I've even seen it around in record shops, and Its not expensive (as far as they go). There's one (just the CD in a crystal box) that's been sitting in a used CD shop down the street for about two years. :) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From robotwarrior at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Nov 5 12:14:24 1998 From: robotwarrior at HOTMAIL.COM (Jeremy Cornell) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 09:14:24 PST Subject: Hi I'm new to the list Message-ID: And I have Space Ritual by Hawkwind which is great. But when I look at the listings at cdnow, I see hundreds of them. What do I get next? with so many cd's I can't help but think there are a few real clunkers..what do I avoid? help! I just got a free video from a NYC Space-Rock band called Born to Go, anyone heard of them? what else do they have out? The video is great, especially since it was free! This is the hardest Space-Rock band I have heard since Lemmy left Hawkwind. What other hard Space-Rock bands are out there? I got into Space-Rock backwards, from listening to Motorhead, so scuse me if I don't have a clue. Do messages from here get posted to the alt.music.spacerock newsgroup? I guess I'll find out. Jeremy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Thu Nov 5 12:44:05 1998 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (J. Scruton) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 12:44:05 -0500 Subject: warrior on leave (and related woes) In-Reply-To: <19981105170754.15502.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: At 09:07 AM 11/5/98 PST, you wrote: >>Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 09:46:21 -0600 >>Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >>From: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU >>Subject: warrior on leave >>To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >> >>I recently tried to order Hawkwind's Warrior on the Edge of Time from >>amazon.com, and after two months of trying, they just informed me that >it >>is unavailable. anyone know where I can get it? and does anyone know >if >>there are other versions of it out there with extra songs? > >You might try looking for the box set (?). I've even seen it around in >record shops, and Its not expensive (as far as they go). > >There's one (just the CD in a crystal box) that's been sitting in a used >CD shop down the street for about two years. :) Want to talk aboput sadness? well, I have WotEoT and Space Ritual in the original US vinyl form (mint condition too) WITHOUT an LP player on had... thats at another home 250 miles away. That's sad eh? Going to see Fripp in NYC, Jason From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Thu Nov 5 12:45:21 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 12:45:21 -0500 Subject: Hi I'm new to the list Message-ID: Funny, I believe I asked a very similar question a couple of weeks ago. The recommendations given to me were (in order of the number of votes) Warrior at the Edge of Time Quark, Strangeness, and Time Doremi Fasol Latido Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music Electric Teepee My two cents worth is Hall of the Mountain Grill Sonic Attack Break Like the Wind - sorry, couldn't resist :) From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Nov 5 12:50:19 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 12:50:19 -0500 Subject: Hi I'm new to the list Message-ID: >And I have Space Ritual by Hawkwind which is great. >But when I look at the listings at cdnow, I see >hundreds of them. What do I get next? with so many >cd's I can't help but think there are a few real >clunkers..what do I avoid? help! > >I just got a free video from a NYC Space-Rock band called >Born to Go, anyone heard of them? >Yep, one of them is on this list... >What other hard Space-Rock bands are out there? I got into >Space-Rock backwards, from listening to Motorhead, so scuse >me if I don't have a clue. Based on your route to HW, I'd suggest with the Lemmy-era stuff first... Hall of the Mountain Grill, Warrior on the Edge of Time, etc. There are lots.... I'd recommend DarXtar.... Alan Davey/Bedouin (he's very influenced by Lemmy...) Nik Turner's live stuff, esp. his Space Ritual '94... (stay away from his studio stuff) avoid Bring Me the Head of Yuri Gagarin (it pains me that this remains in the Codex, but there's nothing we can do about that)... Others on here can probably steer you better than I... ============================================ It's the Nexus of the crisis and the Origin of Storms... -"Astronomy" by Blue ?yster Cult -AAA From christmu at EUNET.NO Thu Nov 5 13:24:25 1998 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu at EUNET.NO) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 19:24:25 +0100 Subject: Klaatu (was groovie sci-fi movie) Message-ID: >> ObStrangeDreamMemory: a kids' festival at the foot of a mountain where Nik > Turner w/some band played under the name of "Tiki-Wind" (on the> poster they > were added on last with a non-repro blue pencil!). I don't think Thor > Heyerdahl was in the band tho.> Andy Gilham analyzed & theorized: >That was actually "Tinky-Wind", the shirt-lived collaboration with the >Teletubbies. Well, there were no Teletubbies in sight, I vaguely recall Nik wearing something white, and the ad in the paper (also being a poster on the way) which alerted me of this special one-off gig, with the pencilled in addition (did the paper boy add "Tiki-Wind w/Nik Turner" on all the papers or just mine? Or was it the paper boy at all?). The other bands there were generic teeny-chart-pop bands of sorts. I don't really recall any of Tiki-Wind's set or any specifics really, so it must have been either pretty mindblowing or complete crap! Chr- ObCD: Gorky's Zygotic Mynci - Gorky 5 From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Thu Nov 5 13:38:36 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 19:38:36 +0100 Subject: Herzberg Festival 1976 In-Reply-To: <199811051228.MAA29117@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 12:28 05.11.98 +0000, you wrote: >Does anyone have the playlist for the Hawkwind set? Here it is: 21.07.96, BURG HERZBERG, FESTIVAL, 110 abducted / psi power / awakening / photo encounter / blue skin / steppenwolf / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / sputnik stan / xenomorph / vega / love in space / kapal / aerospaceage inferno / elfin / silver machine / welcome / secret agent Bernhard From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Nov 5 14:49:58 1998 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (denizen of chaos) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 13:49:58 -0600 Subject: HW: pxr5? Message-ID: hey folks, Is PXR5 available on cd? I have a taped copy of it that I'd like to upgrade, but I don't know where I can acquire a cd copy....cdnow and cd universe don't have it listed. Thanks, Arin ---hellhound shelter--------------------------------------------------- the denizen of chaos | denizen at pobox.com aka Arin Komins | http://www.pobox.com/~denizen/ ------------------------------------------------searching for satori--- From brian-coulthard at EMAIL.MSN.COM Thu Nov 5 15:53:46 1998 From: brian-coulthard at EMAIL.MSN.COM (Brian Coulthard) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 20:53:46 -0000 Subject: HW In your area In-Reply-To: <199811051000.FAA27437@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Hello World, I vaguely remember a post from some one who mentioned that the "In your area" album would be out about now. I was wondering if anyone has seen it? From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Thu Nov 5 19:24:48 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 19:24:48 -0500 Subject: Chronicles CD Video? Message-ID: Do a search to find Visionary's website. They should still have copies. Or email them at king at visicom.demon.co.uk. I am hoping it will be re-released in more digestible format. It was produced before the better methods came to be common... Mine always crashes about 3/4 of the way thru.... -----Original Message----- From: William Duffy To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Thursday, November 05, 1998 11:17 AM Subject: Chronicles CD Video? >Hi there > >Anyone know of somewhere that I can get this item from. I've tried one or >two places that list it, but don't actually have it. > >Also, I'm interested in getting copies of some of the Weird Tapes, >particularly the Dave Brock solo material as well as the Nik Turner material >recorded around the time of Xitintoday. > >Can anybody help? > >William From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Thu Nov 5 19:28:12 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 19:28:12 -0500 Subject: Best Practical Joke In The World!!!!!!! Message-ID: If I were in Minnesota, I would have voted for him. He is a straightshooter, despite his stint in wrestling. Nice to see The two most evil parties were passed over there. -----Original Message----- From: J Strobridge To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Thursday, November 05, 1998 8:10 AM Subject: Re: Best Practical Joke In The World!!!!!!! >Andy Gilham writes: > >> Well, I'm not the first to point this out, but he's coming back to find that >> Jesse "the Body" Ventura is Governor of Minnesota. >> >> Which ought to be enough of a head-fuck for anybody... >> >> - Andy > >Judging from CNN last night tho' it seems that even those who didn't >vote for him were surprisingly impressed by listening to him >afterwards and were prepared to give him their support - for a while at >least. > >America - land of opportunity. >jill > >=========================================================================== >J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM Thu Nov 5 23:42:30 1998 From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (BL Young) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 20:42:30 -0800 Subject: HW: Motorhead first, then Hawkwind next Message-ID: > And I have Space Ritual by Hawkwind which is great. > But when I look at the listings at cdnow, I see > hundreds of them. What do I get next? with so many > cd's I can't help but think there are a few real > clunkers..what do I avoid? help! > > I just got a free video from a NYC Space-Rock band called > Born to Go, anyone heard of them? what else do they have > out? The video is great, especially since it was free! > This is the hardest Space-Rock band I have heard since > Lemmy left Hawkwind. > > What other hard Space-Rock bands are out there? I got into > Space-Rock backwards, from listening to Motorhead, so scuse > me if I don't have a clue. > > Do messages from here get posted to the alt.music.spacerock > newsgroup? I guess I'll find out. > > Jeremy > Hi Jeremy and welcome to the list and the world of Hawkwind. I usually don't reply to many messages, but yours reminded me of myself a few years back. I got into Motorhead back in 1983 when I was about 15, and then about 3 years later I got a cassette of "Master of the Universe" (the UA compilation). This resulted in immediate Hawkwind fascination. It took years, but I've finally got most of the mandatory stuff. Funny, most of the stuff would've caused me revulsion back in my "metal or die" teen years. Now I really have grown to appreciate a lot of the ambient stuff, such as Harvey's solo stuff, Simon House's solo stuff, and even the 2nd Hawkwind album that I got as a current release (It is the Business of the Future...). I hated it at the time, but it's okay now. Electric Tepee was the first Hawkwind album that I bought while still current, and it was pretty cool. I'll leave the recommendations to the other guys, but it all depends how far you're willing to leave the metal stuff behind. I still love metal, and Hawkwind (and Pink Floyd) are my only excursions that leave the hard rock world. But at least get all the bonafide albums, including the live stuff. Don't worry about compilations, and only the Calvert and Brock solo stuff is mandatory. I'm trying to get more in that area, but it's not that easy to come by some of it. Bye for now, ----------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Young CANADA blyoung AT bigfoot DOT com ----------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/Area51/7118 SF Reading Club http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 Hawkwind http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/6878 IFHL-FLA ----------------------------------------------------------- "20 minutes goes by pretty fast when you're on a breakaway" From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Nov 5 22:29:18 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (The Automind) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 19:29:18 PST Subject: Hi I'm new to the list Message-ID: >And I have Space Ritual by Hawkwind which is great. >But when I look at the listings at cdnow, I see >hundreds of them. What do I get next? with so many >cd's I can't help but think there are a few real >clunkers..what do I avoid? help! Go get "The Collection" or the "Acid Daze" set- and listen to _Douglas in The Jungle_ while tripping heavily and banging pots together. >I just got a free video from a NYC Space-Rock band called >Born to Go, anyone heard of them? what else do they have >out? The video is great, especially since it was free! >This is the hardest Space-Rock band I have heard since >Lemmy left Hawkwind. I saw them at Strange Daze 98, and they were the best sounding band there! though maybe I just loved them because they covered Lord of the Hornets? >What other hard Space-Rock bands are out there? Check out Pressurehed. You can get these albums in a series called "Hawkwind: Friends and Relations" that have a collection of space-rock bands that otherwise could be hard to find. >I got into Space-Rock backwards, from listening to Motorhead Likewise! -and you started reading Mike Moorcock after listening to Hawkwind, didn't you? :) >Do messages from here get posted to the alt.music.spacerock >newsgroup? I guess I'll find out. > >Jeremy > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Fri Nov 6 02:00:53 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:00:53 -0600 Subject: BOC: Future Mobile Fidelity Releases? Message-ID: Laj Waldner wrote: > John A Swartz wrote: > > > Someone recently posted on AOL that Mobile Fidelity is going to release > > "Gold" CDs of the first 2 BOC CDs. At the moment, there's nothing on > > their website about it, so I assume it won't be for a few months. > > > > John > > That's good, means "Agents of Fortune" was selling, it would also seem that > they have enough confidence in BOC fans to buy them, which is also cool. > But you would think there next release would be "Fire of Unknown Origin". > > Laj. Mailed Mobile Fidelity the other day, and this is what they told me: >First: Laj > >Last: Waldner > >Message: Hello, heard a rumor that you have planed to release >the first two Blue Oyster Cult albums, is this true? >Thanks for your time. > >Laj. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- WE hope to . Check back with us in a few months. COOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Laj. From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Nov 5 23:38:51 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 04:38:51 +0000 Subject: Best Practical Joke In The World!!!!!!! Message-ID: > >Andy Gilham writes: > > > >> Well, I'm not the first to point this out, but he's coming back to find > that > >> Jesse "the Body" Ventura is Governor of Minnesota. > >> > >> Which ought to be enough of a head-fuck for anybody... > >> > >> - Andy > > > >Judging from CNN last night tho' it seems that even those who didn't > >vote for him were surprisingly impressed by listening to him > >afterwards and were prepared to give him their support - for a while at > >least. > > > >America - land of opportunity. > >jill > If I were in Minnesota, I would have voted for him. He is a > straightshooter, despite his stint in wrestling. Nice to see > The two most evil parties were passed over there. Jesse's no rocket scientist, but he's definitely smarter than most people give him credit for. I think he's gonna have some trouble in the early going, but he'll adapt. I, too, would have voted for him if I lived in Minnesota. Also, I wish I still lived in New York so I could have helped them oust Al D'Amato! That's something I would have loved to have been a part of! -- Nick From arjanh at CS.VU.NL Fri Nov 6 04:38:45 1998 From: arjanh at CS.VU.NL (Hulsebos A) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 10:38:45 +0100 Subject: Best Practical Joke In The World!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: "" "Re: Best Practical Joke In The World!!!!!!!" (Nov 6, 4:38am) Message-ID: On Nov 6, 4:38am, wrote: >Jesse's no rocket scientist, but he's definitely smarter than most >people give him credit for. I think he's gonna have some trouble in >the early going, but he'll adapt. I, too, would have voted for him if >I lived in Minnesota. Also, I wish I still lived in New York so I >could have helped them oust Al D'Amato! That's something I would have >loved to have been a part of! Did Jesse run as independent? Couldn't follow it as they took CNN from the cable here in Amsterdam :-( ^N, where N is _very_ large. > >-- Nick Arjan H From richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK Fri Nov 6 04:54:31 1998 From: richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK (Cutting, Richard) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 09:54:31 -0000 Subject: HW: Bedouin Photos === Message-ID: For anyone who's interested, I've put some Bedouin photos which were taken at the gig on the 14th October at the West One Four Club on the web. You can find them at http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/3395 Richard. *********************************************************************** LEGAL DISCLAIMER *********************************************************************** The contents of this email and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Synopsys hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this email and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the Technology Department at Synopsys Ltd. on +44 171 250 1990. *********************************************************************** From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 6 06:49:59 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 11:49:59 GMT Subject: OFF: yank politics In-Reply-To: Hulsebos A's message of Fri, 6 Nov 1998 10:38:45 +0100 Message-ID: > >Jesse's no rocket scientist, but he's definitely smarter than most > >people give him credit for. I think he's gonna have some trouble in > >the early going, but he'll adapt. I, too, would have voted for him if > >I lived in Minnesota. Also, I wish I still lived in New York so I > >could have helped them oust Al D'Amato! That's something I would have > >loved to have been a part of! What's happened to William Weld these days? Is he off the political map since failing to get an ambassadorship? FoFP From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Nov 6 06:13:36 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 07:13:36 EDT Subject: Best Practical Joke In The World!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <199811060937.EAA32383@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: > From: "" > > > If I were in Minnesota, I would have voted for him. He is a > > straightshooter, despite his stint in wrestling. Nice to see > > The two most evil parties were passed over there. > Yeah, I agree. The worst thing 'bout US politics is the 2 party system. They're both essentially middle of the road, so nobody gets what they want... > Jesse's no rocket scientist, but he's definitely smarter than most > people give him credit for. I think he's gonna have some trouble in > the early going, but he'll adapt. I, too, would have voted for him if > I lived in Minnesota. I probably would have too. I like some of his ideas: legalize weed and prostitution. Bet you can't guess who I voted for for Gov. of NY? Also, I wish I still lived in New York so I > could have helped them oust Al D'Amato! That's something I would have > loved to have been a part of! > Happy to have helped you out with that one! I couldn't believe he got beat, but the signs were there. A month ago they were saying mean little Al was vulnerable. The headline in the Syr. paper said: 'D'Amato victim of Gender Gap...' Women will not vote for mean, ugly unsympathetic people. 'Course he'll have the last laugh, as he'll get some consultant job now making millions... theo From nexus at PANIX.COM Fri Nov 6 07:14:30 1998 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 07:14:30 -0500 Subject: Best Practical Joke In The World!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <9811061038.ZM11006@cs.vu.nl> from "Hulsebos A" at Nov 6, 98 10:38:45 am Message-ID: >>Jesse's no rocket scientist, but he's definitely smarter than most >>people give him credit for. I think he's gonna have some trouble in >>the early going, but he'll adapt. I, too, would have voted for him if >>I lived in Minnesota. Also, I wish I still lived in New York so I >>could have helped them oust Al D'Amato! That's something I would have >>loved to have been a part of! You're welcome:-) >Did Jesse run as independent? Couldn't follow it as they took CNN from the >cable here in Amsterdam :-( ^N, where N is _very_ large. Jesse ran on the Reform party ticket -- the one Ross Perot founded. JB From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Nov 6 07:31:28 1998 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 23:31:28 +1100 Subject: HW/OFF: Another place to buy CD's Message-ID: Hi all, Just found another online shopping place which lists a heap of Hawkwind CD's. A few that are relatively hard to get {but no PXR-5 :(} ... i have no idea if they actually stock any of the listed titles or how reliable they are, but it's worth looking ... http://www.soundstone.com Soniqu? -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #14292706 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Nov 6 07:52:38 1998 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 23:52:38 +1100 Subject: HW: How's your Italian Message-ID: Gidday All, There's some sort of Moorcock/Hawkwind article on an Italian Science Fiction Website at http://www.intercom.publinet.it/Hawkwind.htm entitled "Song of the swords: Michael Moorcock & Hawkwind" by Enrico Tomasini if anyone can speak the lingvo (Massimo - do you know about this?) Soniqu? -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #14292706 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From mordru at FLITE.NET Fri Nov 6 08:06:00 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 08:06:00 -0500 Subject: Best Practical Joke In The World!!!!!!! Message-ID: >Did Jesse run as independent? Couldn't follow it as they took CNN from the >cable here in Amsterdam :-( ^N, where N is _very_ large. Technically, he ran as a Reform Party (Ross Perot's party) candidate, but that was just a matter of convenience... relations were reportedly strained between him and Perot, since Perot did not help them financially when they needed it (apparently also didn't think he'd win), or even help them secure a loan... ============================================ It's the Nexus of the crisis and the Origin of Storms... -"Astronomy" by Blue ?yster Cult -AAA From Elemental_Canine at SOFTHOME.NET Fri Nov 6 08:32:22 1998 From: Elemental_Canine at SOFTHOME.NET (Elemental_Canine at SOFTHOME.NET) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 08:32:22 -0500 Subject: OT:Darxtar? Message-ID: Just curious, What is Darxtar up to nowadays? I got Sju a while back, didn't like for some odd reason, but took another listen to recently, and absolutely love now. I noticed that Soniques Darxtar page is about a year old, and wondered if their is anything more recent? If not, what is the next piece of theirs I should get (if they can be found at all). Thanks, EC From christmu at EUNET.NO Fri Nov 6 08:54:46 1998 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu at EUNET.NO) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 14:54:46 +0100 Subject: HW: my codex<->discog konfuzion Message-ID: Ah! Jill's post makes it clear, I mixed the two separate entities called "discography" and "codex" in my mind - and sent off my heretical crackpot suggestions.. If the function of the codex is as a cross reference manual of tracks it definetly makes/made sense to remove most/all bootlegs and all CDRs. As there is a separate discography... But how would one class CDRs released by bands themselves (Davey, HawkXtar etc.)? Christian From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 6 10:08:02 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 15:08:02 GMT Subject: Herzberg Festival 1976 In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Thu, 5 Nov 1998 19:38:36 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > At 12:28 05.11.98 +0000, you wrote: > >Does anyone have the playlist for the Hawkwind set? > > Here it is: > > > 21.07.96, BURG HERZBERG, FESTIVAL, 110 > abducted / psi power / awakening / photo encounter / blue skin / > steppenwolf / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / sputnik > stan / xenomorph / vega / love in space / kapal / aerospaceage inferno / > elfin / silver machine / welcome / secret agent Thanks. Do you have the lineups for this and the Langtree festival just after it please? FoFP From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Nov 6 10:08:47 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 07:08:47 -0800 Subject: BOC: Mobile Fidelity and other stuff... Message-ID: >> Someone recently posted on AOL that Mobile Fidelity is going to release > > "Gold" CDs of the first 2 BOC CDs. At the moment, there's nothing on > > their website about it, so I assume it won't be for a few months. Thats nice. Still why can't anyone go the distance with BOC, add Secret Treaties to the releases. >>>Well, I'm not the first to point this out, but he's coming back to find > that Jesse "the Body" Ventura is Governor of Minnesota. > >> > >> Which ought to be enough of a head-fuck for anybody... > >> > >> - Andy LOL! However I'm really happy to see this. J"tB"V is better known for his wrestling and limited movie career, however few realize that he is also a highly intelligent person. Former Navy Seal to boot. One thing for certain the Minnesota legislature will agree with him more often tthan not. Jesse still has pretty good flex. >I just got a free video from a NYC Space-Rock band called >Born to Go, anyone heard of them? what else do they have >out? Welcome to the list. If you like Born to Go, then hang around Marc Power will be in shortly, he's a member of the band. Marc you must be fairly well off guy, first free cassettes now videos. Kewl Back to lurking and listening to Tapehead, just can't pull it out of the player just yet. Ghost in the Ruins From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Nov 6 10:58:20 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (zeitgeist-scot) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 15:58:20 +0000 Subject: Off: Monster Magnet / Motorhead Message-ID: The latest issue of Bizarre magazine (UK) has a list of top junkies and Dave Wyndorf managed to get himself in at no 5, and there's a new lads magazine out in the UK called Front. Issue 1 is out now, but their top billed feature for issue 2 is a night on the tiles with one Mr Kilminster Z NP My Dying Bride - 34.788% ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER c/o Shamrock Multimedia,PO Box 13499, Edinburgh, EH6 8YL, UK e-mail zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From acobley at COMPUTING.DUNDEE.AC.UK Fri Nov 6 11:03:00 1998 From: acobley at COMPUTING.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy C) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 16:03:00 +0000 Subject: Off: Monster Magnet Message-ID: which reminds me to ask, Any Idea where I can get Monster Magnet T-shirts etc. in the UK Preferably by mail order. Andy C From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Fri Nov 6 11:19:58 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 17:19:58 +0100 Subject: OFF: test Message-ID: test From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Fri Nov 6 11:25:29 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 17:25:29 +0100 Subject: Herzberg Festival 1976 In-Reply-To: <199811061508.PAA05413@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: >> 21.07.96, BURG HERZBERG, FESTIVAL, 110 >> abducted / psi power / awakening / photo encounter / blue skin / >> steppenwolf / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / sputnik >> stan / xenomorph / vega / love in space / kapal / aerospaceage inferno / >> elfin / silver machine / welcome / secret agent >Thanks. Do you have the lineups for this and the Langtree festival just >after it please? Here is the lineup for both gigs: brock / chadwick / tree / davey Bernhard From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri Nov 6 06:45:19 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 11:45:19 +0000 Subject: BOC: HAPPY B(oc)-DAY! Message-ID: Haven't had anything on-topic to add lately, so I'm glad to jump back into BOC-world: I was researching celebrity birthdays for my Monday, November 9th show, and one of my sources says that's Joe Bouchard's 50th birthday! Hey Al, if it's true, send Joe a happy one from us all. -- Nick From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Nov 6 11:53:51 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (The Automind) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 08:53:51 PST Subject: OFF: yank politics Message-ID: >What's happened to William Weld these days? Is he off the political >map since failing to get an ambassadorship? yes. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Nov 6 11:54:02 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (The Automind) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 08:54:02 PST Subject: OFF: yank politics Message-ID: >What's happened to William Weld these days? Is he off the political >map since failing to get an ambassadorship? yes ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Nov 6 12:44:00 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 17:44:00 -0000 Subject: BOC: Check dis out Message-ID: http://www.interhit.com/godzilla.html Blasphemy! :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET Fri Nov 6 12:55:20 1998 From: hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET (D Witt) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 11:55:20 -0600 Subject: Off: Re: The Body Message-ID: > Well, I'm not the first to point this out, but he's coming back to find that > Jesse "the Body" Ventura is Governor of Minnesota. > > Which ought to be enough of a head-fuck for anybody... > > - Andy Judging from CNN last night tho' it seems that even those who didn't vote for him were surprisingly impressed by listening to him afterwards and were prepared to give him their support - for a while at least. Many of us Minnesotan's voted for Jesse because we are sick of the two major parties. Jesse is the the highest elected official of the reform party now. Many people in the the Democratic party have been insulting Jesse since he won, and those people have been calling the voters ignorant(cause we didn't elect good ol 'skippy' humphrey). Anyway, I hope Jesse does well and the reform party continues to grow. From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Fri Nov 6 13:12:08 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 13:12:08 -0500 Subject: BOC: Check dis out Message-ID: >http://www.interhit.com/godzilla.html > >Blasphemy! :) > >- Andy > >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham I always thought removing Buck's guitar work was exactly what this song needed. ;-) Rocking guitars severely hampered Godzilla's club playability.... How many bpm is this? DJs can mix it with Apollo 440's "DFtR" (which I actually enjoy). BOC invades the dance clubs 20 years after Disco died! Which reminds me: anyone heard an advance copy of Metallica's "Garage Inc." and grooved to their version of "Astronomy"? I heard their cover of "Turn the Page" and it was actually entertaining. Brian obCD> The Cult "The Electric Mixes" ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html "We are drawing a moustache on the wanted poster of the face of music." -Fierce Wicker ---------- From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Nov 6 13:43:31 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 13:43:31 -0500 Subject: OT:Darxtar? Message-ID: EC wants to know... >What is Darxtar up to nowadays? Hmmmm...good question. Things have been pretty quiet from the SBm camp these days. Hopefully, that means the group has their noses to the grindstone working on the new album. I remember the Commander saying it was to be an ambitious effort, concept album and such, but don't have any details. The darxtar mailing list has been either completely dead, or off-line for quite some time now. I guess the relative inactivity of the band has got folks thinking about other things. The only two news items from 1998 that I can think of were the performance at the Jonkoping fest (to those few who were actually there) and the one track they recorded for the recently-released Genesis tribute CD on Cleopatra. I've heard it...it's very good, along with the Flower Kings (also Svenkse) track that immediately follows. >I got Sju a while back, didn't like for >some odd reason, but took another listen to recently, and absolutely love >now. It is a great album...quite diverse. They've branched out from the pure HW-style space rock, and are created a sound of their own IMHO. >I noticed that Soniques Darxtar page is about a year old, and >wondered if their is anything more recent? If not, what is the next piece >of theirs I should get (if they can be found at all). I think both Daybreak and Darker are great albums, and more consistently like HW in style. Unfortunately, Darker is way oop and seemingly impossible to find. I think my copy was about the very last one to be attained. (Thanks, Johan or Henrik...can't remember who got that for me). But both Daybreak and the eponymous debut are still seen at various places. I think CD Jungle (www.cdjungle.com/prog1.txt for a list of in-stock items) in Portugal has the debut...or I'm sure you could contact Soren directly via Sonique's page and order a copy (and you could ask him to autograph a copy as he did for me). I'd recommend you try to track down Daybreak first, though. Yours in Space...Kjell ObCD: The Smell Of Incense - Through the Gates of Deeper Slumber From dawa at INTCON.NET Fri Nov 6 13:53:07 1998 From: dawa at INTCON.NET (Dawa) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 12:53:07 -0600 Subject: BOC: Check dis out Message-ID: That's just plain bad. If they should have done anything (which they probably shouldn't have) they should have emphasized guitars, and made it heavier. I'd like to see a few "cool" industrial remixes of some of BOC's songs. I think if done right it could sound pretty good. Dawa Interested in hearing the Metallica remake as well. brian halligan wrote: > >http://www.interhit.com/godzilla.html > > > >Blasphemy! :) > > > >- Andy > > > >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > > I always thought removing Buck's guitar work was exactly what this song > needed. ;-) Rocking guitars severely hampered Godzilla's club > playability.... How many bpm is this? DJs can mix it with Apollo 440's > "DFtR" (which I actually enjoy). > > BOC invades the dance clubs 20 years after Disco died! > From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Fri Nov 6 17:57:48 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 16:57:48 -0600 Subject: BOC: Check dis out Message-ID: Your right, it's pretty bad, but I for one am glad they remixed it. This mix should get out to most of the dance clubs out there, and due to the Godzilla movie, should actually get a bit of play. Excluding DFTR, im happy to see any cover of BOC. And it's still good ammo to use on those "Reaper only" people, can't hardly wait till im in a dance club next "ya know, that's a BOC song" :-). Laj. Dawa wrote: > That's just plain bad. If they should have done anything (which they probably > shouldn't have) they should have emphasized guitars, and made it heavier. I'd > like to see a few "cool" industrial remixes of some of BOC's songs. I think if > done right it could sound pretty good. > > Dawa > > Interested in hearing the Metallica remake as well. > > brian halligan wrote: > > > >http://www.interhit.com/godzilla.html > > > > > >Blasphemy! :) > > > > > >- Andy > > > > > >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > > > > I always thought removing Buck's guitar work was exactly what this song > > needed. ;-) Rocking guitars severely hampered Godzilla's club > > playability.... How many bpm is this? DJs can mix it with Apollo 440's > > "DFtR" (which I actually enjoy). > > > > BOC invades the dance clubs 20 years after Disco died! > > From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Fri Nov 6 23:37:40 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 23:37:40 -0500 Subject: BOC: HAPPY B(oc)-DAY! Message-ID: Hmm. Makes him 17 years and one day older than me. =) I was researching celebrity birthdays for my Monday, November 9th show, and one of my sources says that's Joe Bouchard's 50th birthday! Hey Al, if it's true, send Joe a happy one from us all. -- Nick From CWUDDLY at AOL.COM Sat Nov 7 09:28:28 1998 From: CWUDDLY at AOL.COM ( C WuddlyAaol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 09:28:28 EST Subject: Help!! need to get off the discussoin list for a couple of months :o) Message-ID: Dear Friends I wont be using this account for a couple of months as am flying from England to the USA and you all are going to fill up my mailbox :o( ....dont get me wrong, I like being on this list for my own connections with the group Hawkwind :o)))))))) I have forgotten the proceedure of how to resign and also how to get back onto the list....please someone tell me what to do :o)))))....I will return if I know how. I am flying over to my sweetheart who I met online 16 months ago and who I met with last march and we fell in Love :o))))))))))))))))))))))))))) and we is going to spend time together to be sure we is truelly right for one another ?o) will be using the screen name of NoHatSally whilst staying in St Loius, Missouri USA untill jan 18th 1999 etc ..............apologies for broadcasting my own thing in the discussion group :o) ^v^from SallyAnn xxx who loves you all ^v^ bye for now :o)))))))))) From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Sat Nov 7 10:40:52 1998 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (J. Scruton) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 10:40:52 -0500 Subject: BOC/SWU: From days of yore Message-ID: The following was taken from a webpage at www.procolharum.com concerning adverts, articles etc. for sale about Procol. Notice 7/3/69: Concert ad neatly cut from the NYC newspaper The Village Voice: Procol Harum, Byrds, Raven-6/27 & 28/69; Jeff Beck Group, Jethro Tull, Soft White Underbelly-7/3/69; ...[rest of groups deleted] Fillmore East; 2.5" X 10"; $10 Wasn't this Fillmore show the one often talked about in rock references as being extremely bad for the Underbelly, forcing the band to cange its name after the gig? Nonetheless, that's a great lineup for a concert show. Curse my youthfulness. In the days of the underground, Jason "I can't believe its not Hawkwind!" Scruton {heheheh. now that would be a GREAT commerical :)] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Sat Nov 7 10:49:37 1998 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (J. Scruton) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 10:49:37 -0500 Subject: OFF: frrrrrrrrrrripp! Message-ID: All you hep cats, That mojo risin' blues cat Robert "I'm aloof, I'm English, and I'm proud" Fripp will be Soundscaping his way into the World Financial Center of NYC the 18th and the 19th of the pre-merry month of November. Each day has two installations going on. 12:15 and 7pm are the times for both days. Better yet, you can groove on an earful of guitar bending chicanery for FREE! That's right! FREE! Muddy Waters on the brain, Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From mrippa at MEDIASAT.IT Sat Nov 7 11:20:01 1998 From: mrippa at MEDIASAT.IT (massimo rippa) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 17:20:01 +0100 Subject: HW: How's your Italian Message-ID: Soniqu? ha scritto: > Gidday All, > > There's some sort of Moorcock/Hawkwind article on an Italian Science Fiction > Website at http://www.intercom.publinet.it/Hawkwind.htm entitled "Song of the > swords: Michael Moorcock & Hawkwind" by Enrico Tomasini if anyone can speak > the lingvo (Massimo - do you know about this?) > > Soniqu? > -- > Well, the article is mainly a biography of the band, written with true dedition. It starts with a short history of other collaborations between rock musicians and sci-fi writers, and goes on with a detailed chronology of the HW saga and side projects, from origins to Distant Horizons. Some short analyses of Moorcock's charactres are well achieved, as well as the translation and criticism of some HW lyrics. As far as I know of HW (though I love the band, I'm mainly into BOC), there is no evidence of huge mistakes, nor of astonishing revelations. The text is a little bit too long (it takes 57 KBs) to be translated entirely, but if someone need the translation of any part of it, I'll be very glad to do it :-) Massimo From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sat Nov 7 13:30:12 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 13:30:12 -0500 Subject: Help!! need to get off the discussoin list for a couple of months :o) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 7 Nov 1998, C WuddlyAaol.com wrote: => Dear Friends => => I wont be using this account for a couple of months as am flying from England => to the USA and you all are going to fill up my mailbox :o( ....dont get me => wrong, I like being on this list for my own connections with the group => Hawkwind :o)))))))) => => I have forgotten the proceedure of how to resign and also how to get back onto => the list....please someone tell me what to do :o)))))....I will return if I => know how. Before leaving, send an e-mail to LISTSERV at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU containing this as the body of the message: SET BOC-L NOMAIL You'll still be subscribed, but won't receive any mail. When you get back, and want to resume e-mail, send another message to the LISTSERV at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU address containing this as the body of the message: SET BOC-L MAIL which will cause you to start getting BOC-L mail again. => I am flying over to my sweetheart who I met online 16 months ago and who I met => with last march and we fell in Love :o))))))))))))))))))))))))))) and we is => going to spend time together to be sure we is truelly right for one another => ?o) will be using the screen name of NoHatSally whilst staying in St Loius, => Missouri USA untill jan 18th 1999 => etc ..............apologies for broadcasting my own thing in the discussion => group :o) => ^v^from SallyAnn xxx who loves you all ^v^ bye for now :o)))))))))) Been through St. Louis, MO, once, on a return from a Pacific coast roadtrip. Alas, the arch was out of comission, and, besides, it was rush hour anyway and I was just passing through. :-( But it's back in action now, so make sure you go see its landmark claim to fame. ;-) IMHO, you should also see if the USA is truly right for you. As a Limey abroad myself, the cultural difference is bigger than one might credit. Cheers, Paul. obCD-R: Gov't Mule, Granada Theater, Lawrence, KS, 11/18/97 e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Nov 7 21:28:54 1998 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 13:28:54 +1100 Subject: OT:Darxtar? Message-ID: On 6 Nov 98, at 8:32, Elemental_Canine at SOFTHOME.NET wrote: > now. I noticed that Soniques Darxtar page is about a year old, and > wondered if their is anything more recent? Well, there hasn't been a lot to add to it recently :( I've been conversing with K.S?ren of darXtar quite a bit of late, and the new album (Tombola) is still happening .... the recording has well and truly been finished, but various things have delayed the final mix-dwon, and there are also some problems with the label it was going to be released on so they are currently looking at alternatives. He didn't say exactly when it will be out, but I doubt that it will be in 98 ... hopefully not too far into 99 though! Soniqu? -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #14292706 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Nov 8 14:28:19 1998 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 14:28:19 -0500 Subject: BOC: Check dis out Message-ID: >Which reminds me: anyone heard an advance copy of Metallica's "Garage Inc." >and grooved to their version of "Astronomy"? I heard their cover of "Turn >the Page" and it was actually entertaining. I have it. I love it and think it's very good. It's pretty faithful to the original with lots of subtle changes like dropping the key, some extra chord changes and a much heavier drum part. It'$ less severe than what I've done to it the couple times that I've redone it. From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Nov 8 16:40:42 1998 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 08:40:42 +1100 Subject: HW: How's your Italian Message-ID: On 7 Nov 98, at 17:20, massimo rippa wrote: > > http://www.intercom.publinet.it/Hawkwind.htm > > Well, the article is mainly a biography of the band, written with true > dedition. .... > but if someone need > the translation of any part of it, I'll be very glad to do it :-) Cheers Massimo, I guessed that's what it was .... I personally don't need it translated, though you may regret having offered to do it? ;^) Soniqu? -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #14292706 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Nov 9 11:40:20 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 10:40:20 -0600 Subject: OFF: Bad Metallica - Cover Message-ID: >Which reminds me: anyone heard an advance copy of Metallica's "Garage Inc." and grooved to their version of "Astronomy"? I heard their cover of "Turn the Page" and it was actually entertaining. >Brian Never a big Metallica fan, I was hoping against hope that Astronomy would be the one they played first on the radio. After hearing what they did to Turn the Page I don't think I want to hear their rendition of Astronomy. Would be real offended if they butchered it as bad as Turn the Page. Hey, you make a cover of a great song I can see if you want to add your own spice to the mix but they simply butchered this Seger classic. Where's the emotion? Where's the content? This one is as bad as Puff Daddy's Kashmir rip-off. Speaking of which finally saw Godzilla on video, and its probably worse than people on this list have mentioned. You guys were way too kind to this movie. L8er Ghost in the Ruins PS - Happy Birthday Joe Bouchard! From robotwarrior at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Nov 9 12:37:24 1998 From: robotwarrior at HOTMAIL.COM (Jeremy Cornell) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 09:37:24 PST Subject: Hi I'm new to the list (still) Message-ID: >>I just got a free video from a NYC Space-Rock band called >>Born to Go, anyone heard of them? what else do they have >>out? The video is great, especially since it was free! >>This is the hardest Space-Rock band I have heard since >>Lemmy left Hawkwind. > >I saw them at Strange Daze 98, and they were the best sounding band >there! Cool! I have watched their 'Robots on the Rise' video about six or seven times now and it still rocks! I would love to get hold of the Strange Daze show. Anyone? >though maybe I just loved them because they covered Lord of the Hornets? Is this a Hawkwind track? what album is it on? I missed Strange Daze, I would have loved to have seen Hawkwind live, and BORN to GO. Who else played? Was it *all* Space-Rock? I have been listening to the band 'Man or Astroman?' recently but it's not Space-Rock (IMHO), more like Surf guitar music. Is the droney stuff considered Space-Rock? SpaceMan 3 et al? can't get into it. > >Likewise! -and you started reading Mike Moorcock after listening to >Hawkwind, didn't you? :) Ok, Ok, what have I stumbled onto here - the Psychic Friends Network? I have just finished reading 'Sailor on the Seas of Fate' by Mr. M. Moorcock. You guys are wierding me out, man. In Space, nobody can hear you applaud! Jeremy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Mon Nov 9 13:10:12 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 13:10:12 -0500 Subject: BOC: Bad Metallica - Cover Message-ID: Ghost in the Ruins said: >Never a big Metallica fan, I was hoping against hope that Astronomy would be >the one they played first on the radio. After hearing what they did to Turn >the Page I don't think I want to hear their rendition of Astronomy. Would >be real offended if they butchered it as bad as Turn the Page. Master of Puppets is an excellent album. Beyond the tune Enter Sandman I can take them or leave them. I thought they did a good job with Turn the Page. Bob Seger isn't one of my favorites though, so that has something to do with my opinion of the cover. I have to say I like the sax on Gerry Rafferty's Baker Street better than Turn the Page ;-) >Where's the emotion? Where's the content? This one is as bad as Puff Daddy's Kashmir >rip-off. I think Metallica had guts to cover Turn the Page, although I always thought they could do a good job with an Eric-sung BOC tune.... Imagine Kings X covering "Reminiscing" by Little River Band ;-) Turn the Page isn't a good fit for Metallica, but it's only a stop-gap album (their 2nd in a row) until their next studio effort, so I don't take it too seriously. Now, Crash Course in Brain Surgery...that was a cover that Metallica could get their arms around! Brian obCD> The Bevis Frond "New River Head" (Great album Paul!) ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html "We are drawing a moustache on the wanted poster of the face of music." -Fierce Wicker ---------- From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Mon Nov 9 12:17:10 1998 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 04:17:10 +1100 Subject: Hi I'm new to the list (still) In-Reply-To: <19981109173724.5359.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Jeremy Cornell > Sent: Tuesday, 10 November 1998 3:37 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: Hi I'm new to the list (still) > > Ok, Ok, what have I stumbled onto here - the Psychic Friends Network? > I have just finished reading 'Sailor on the Seas of Fate' by Mr. > M. Moorcock. You guys are wierding me out, man. Actually, you may or may not know this, but in Mike's two books "The Chinese Agent" and "the Russian Intelligence", the main character is named Jerry Cornell. Pointless Informations'R'Us signing off... - Max From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Nov 9 13:25:53 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 13:25:53 -0500 Subject: OFF: Bad Metallica - Cover Message-ID: >Hey, you make a cover of a great song I can see if you want to add your own spice to the mix but they simply butchered this Seger classic. I caught about half of "Turn the Page" as done by Metallica on the radio yesterday. I didn't think it was haf bad. My biggest question was more "WHY?" - it just didn't seem to be a song that needed a Metallica treatment. On the other hand, based on comments from both Joe and Albert Bouchard, I am very eager to hear their version of "Astronomy". John PS: As AB mentioned, today is Joe Bouchard's 50th birthday. I'm gonna go home, strap on the bass, and play along to "Hot Rails to Hell" in his honor. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Nov 9 13:37:28 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 13:37:28 -0500 Subject: Hi I'm new to the list (still) In-Reply-To: <19981109173724.5359.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Nov 1998, Jeremy Cornell wrote: => >though maybe I just loved them because they covered Lord of the => Hornets? => => Is this a Hawkwind track? what album is it on? It is a Bob Calvert tune, from _Hype_, I seem to recall. Cheers, Paul. obCD-R: The Jimi Hendrix Experience, 1/9/69 (late) e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From chip at PCC.COM Mon Nov 9 16:45:33 1998 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 16:45:33 -0500 Subject: OFF: Bad Metallica - Cover In-Reply-To: <199811091825.NAA18397@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Nov 9, 98 01:25:53 pm Message-ID: John A Swartz spoke: > > I caught about half of "Turn the Page" as done by Metallica on the radio > yesterday. I didn't think it was haf bad. My biggest question was more > "WHY?" - it just didn't seem to be a song that needed a Metallica treatment. Perhaps they have a philosophy similar to their previous covers (the ones which make up the first disk of the new set): play tracks that most people would otherwise NEVER hear, by musicians who influenced Metallica, so that the original band gets royalties and perhaps sells a few albums. Lars Ulrich may be a prick, but at least he paid his respect to Diamond Head for their help to him...literally. I'll be *really* curious to know how the Astronomy cover helps, say, BOC sales. Metallica fans are out-rabidized only by C&W fans. Every band covered on that album will make money (er, every label will, anyway). -- Chip Hart * chip @ pcc.com Physicians's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 1 Main Street * Work:800-722-7708 Winooski, VT 05404 * Fax: 802-872-8214 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 9 07:34:09 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 12:34:09 +0000 Subject: OFF: frrrrrrrrrrripp! In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19981107104937.0068dd60@mail1.wizvax.net> Message-ID: In article <3.0.3.32.19981107104937.0068dd60 at mail1.wizvax.net>, J. Scruton writes >All you hep cats, >That mojo risin' blues cat Robert "I'm aloof, I'm English, and I'm proud" >Fripp will be Soundscaping his way into the World Financial Center of NYC >the 18th and the 19th of the pre-merry month of November. Each day has two >installations going on. 12:15 and 7pm are the times for both days. >Better yet, you can groove on an earful of guitar bending chicanery for FREE! >That's right! FREE! Mrs. Fripp is starring as "Aladdin" in the X-Mas panto at Richmond Theatre this holiday season. Naturally, I'll be taking the kids this X-mas Eve. can't wait, myself. -- Jon From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Nov 9 23:29:01 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 04:29:01 +0000 Subject: OFF: Metallica/Vampires Message-ID: > Speaking of which finally saw Godzilla on video, and its probably worse than > people on this list have mentioned. You guys were way too kind to this > movie. > > L8er > Ghost in the Ruins Now do you believe me?! On the other side of the coin, I want to personally recommend John Carpenter's Vampires to EVERYONE on this list. Saw it Halloween night and this is one seriously kick-ass flick! Believe it or not, James Woods as an action/horror hero really works. I have a totally new-found respect for the guy. See this movie. -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Nov 9 23:29:01 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 04:29:01 +0000 Subject: OFF: Bad Metallica - Cover Message-ID: > John > > PS: As AB mentioned, today is Joe Bouchard's 50th birthday. I'm gonna go > home, strap on the bass, and play along to "Hot Rails to Hell" in his honor. I don't mean to be a credit-hog or anything, but I mentioned it!!! -- Nick From christmu at EUNET.NO Tue Nov 10 05:19:05 1998 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu at EUNET.NO) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:19:05 +0100 Subject: Hi I'm new to the list (still) In-Reply-To: <199811101001.LAA01715@login-2.eunet.no> Message-ID: >> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On >> Behalf Of Jeremy Cornell >> Sent: Tuesday, 10 November 1998 3:37 >> To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >> Subject: Re: Hi I'm new to the list (still) >> >> Ok, Ok, what have I stumbled onto here - the Psychic Friends Network? >> I have just finished reading 'Sailor on the Seas of Fate' by Mr. >> M. Moorcock. You guys are wierding me out, man. > First Moorcock book I read was Vanishing Tower (three months later I inevitably bought my first Hawkwind CD) > Actually, you may or may not know this, but in Mike's two books "The >Chinese Agent" and "the Russian Intelligence", the main character is named >Jerry Cornell. > Pointless Informations'R'Us signing off... > >- Max I too thought of this, but thought it best not to let him KNOW... just YET.... :) Christian ObCD: Moonloonies - Detonator From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Nov 10 08:32:15 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:32:15 +0000 Subject: OFF: Bad Metallica - Cover & Tour Message-ID: Apparently they're about to set off in tour in support of the new album, playing nothing but the cover material. But (!) the support act are Battery Inc, a Metallica cover band. Nice to see that someone's still got a sense of humour. Chip Hart wrote: > John A Swartz spoke: > > > > I caught about half of "Turn the Page" as done by Metallica on the radio > > yesterday. I didn't think it was haf bad. My biggest question was more > > "WHY?" - it just didn't seem to be a song that needed a Metallica treatment. > > Perhaps they have a philosophy similar to their previous covers > (the ones which make up the first disk of the new set): play > tracks that most people would otherwise NEVER hear, by > musicians who influenced Metallica, so that the original band > gets royalties and perhaps sells a few albums. Lars Ulrich may > be a prick, but at least he paid his respect to Diamond Head > for their help to him...literally. > > I'll be *really* curious to know how the Astronomy cover helps, > say, BOC sales. Metallica fans are out-rabidized only by C&W > fans. Every band covered on that album will make money (er, > every label will, anyway). > > -- > Chip Hart * chip @ pcc.com > Physicians's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip > 1 Main Street * Work:800-722-7708 > Winooski, VT 05404 * Fax: 802-872-8214 From mordru at FLITE.NET Tue Nov 10 08:35:00 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:35:00 -0500 Subject: OFF: Metallica/Vampires Message-ID: >On the other side of the coin, I want to personally recommend John >Carpenter's Vampires to EVERYONE on this list. Saw it Halloween night >and this is one seriously kick-ass flick! Believe it or not, James >Woods as an action/horror hero really works. I have a totally >new-found respect for the guy. See this movie. I'll second that. Great fun (though a certain character's motives in the movie were baffling to me, but I can't discuss that without spoiling it)... ============================================ It's the Nexus of the crisis and the Origin of Storms... -"Astronomy" by Blue ?yster Cult -AAA From dawa at INTCON.NET Tue Nov 10 09:10:01 1998 From: dawa at INTCON.NET (Dawa) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:10:01 -0600 Subject: OFF: Vampires Message-ID: I haven't seen the movie yet, but the book that the movie is based on is a must read if you like that kind of stuff. One of my faves anyways. Its called Vampire$, and it by some guy named John Steakley. Dawa "Andrew A. Apold" wrote: > >On the other side of the coin, I want to personally recommend John > >Carpenter's Vampires to EVERYONE on this list. Saw it Halloween night > >and this is one seriously kick-ass flick! Believe it or not, James > >Woods as an action/horror hero really works. I have a totally > >new-found respect for the guy. See this movie. > > I'll second that. Great fun (though a certain character's motives > in the movie were baffling to me, but I can't discuss that without > spoiling it)... From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 10 10:22:44 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:22:44 GMT Subject: Hi I'm new to the list (still) In-Reply-To: Jeremy Cornell's message of Mon, 9 Nov 1998 09:37:24 PST Message-ID: > >>I just got a free video from a NYC Space-Rock band called > >>Born to Go, anyone heard of them? what else do they have > >>out? The video is great, especially since it was free! > >>This is the hardest Space-Rock band I have heard since > >>Lemmy left Hawkwind. > > I have watched their 'Robots on the Rise' video about six or > seven times now and it still rocks! I would love to get hold > of the Strange Daze show. Anyone? Does anyone have the ability to do an NTSC->PAL conversion and is up for trade? FoFP From s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Tue Nov 10 10:48:14 1998 From: s328171 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Patrick Cordiner) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 01:48:14 +1000 Subject: HW:Lord of the Hornets Message-ID: I can't believe that few people know of Lord of the Hornets! I deleted my mail so I haven't got the example but the penultimate R.Calvert song with Lemmy on bass, Simon King on Drums and Huw on guitar is one which is worth buying Freq, Hype, or the Best of Friends and Relations for! The rant endeth here. - Patrick BTW what is the deal with reading Moorcock and Hawkwind, I mean did they put stuff in his books that made you go out and buy Hawkwind or what? It just seemed like as soon as I read Moorcock all of a sudden you find yourself listening to incredible amounts of Space Rock. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mpower at CICG-DEV.ETSD.ML.COM Tue Nov 10 11:15:39 1998 From: mpower at CICG-DEV.ETSD.ML.COM (Marc Power) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:15:39 -0500 Subject: OFF: BORN to GO - Free video offer Message-ID: Hi SpaceRockerz, Thanks for the kind comments of people on the list about I am still happy to continue my offer of a free VHS video to anyone, anywhere on the planet who wants a copy, of SpaceRock band BORN to GO, live at the Lion's Den, NYC. It's NTSC VHS, but several people in Europe have had no trouble viewing it on newer multi-mode equipment. I was originally offering a two hour tape, with other performances filling it. Since I have been copying these videos in real-time, with only two VCRs to record with, and requests have now topped three figures, I am now only copying the Lion's Den performance, unless otherwise specifically requested. According to the consensus of feedback I have received, I quote, "It Rocks!". Just email me with your snailmail address and be prepared to wait a couple of weeks. In Space we trust, Marc. From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Nov 10 11:17:57 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 16:17:57 +0000 Subject: HW:Lord of the Hornets Message-ID: And "Hype" is still on catalogue, as I've sold a grand total of three copies this year! Patrick Cordiner wrote: > I can't believe that few people know of Lord of the Hornets! I deleted > my mail so I haven't got the example but the penultimate R.Calvert > song with Lemmy on bass, Simon King on Drums and Huw on guitar is one > which is worth buying Freq, Hype, or the Best of Friends and Relations > for! > > The rant endeth here. > > - Patrick > > > BTW what is the deal with reading Moorcock and Hawkwind, I mean did > they put stuff in his books that made you go out and buy Hawkwind or > what? 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I would love to get hold > > of the Strange Daze show. Anyone? > > Does anyone have the ability to do an NTSC->PAL conversion and is up for > trade? > > FoFP From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 10 11:49:36 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 16:49:36 GMT Subject: OFF: interesting band Message-ID: Apparently there's a band called Ebling Hughes touring around the States just now which is being highly recommended on another list - so if anyone sees them being advertised it might be worth going along to listen! jill obPS: It was raining concrete paving slabs yesterday. I know this. The hole in my roof proves it. Sigh ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue Nov 10 11:54:46 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:54:46 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: the new album Message-ID: Al, Any update on the new album? How is everything coming together? Throw us a bone here- two months is a long time to wait! ;-) Brian ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html "We are drawing a moustache on the wanted poster of the face of music." -Fierce Wicker ---------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 10 13:12:19 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:12:19 GMT Subject: Born To Go video in Edinburgh In-Reply-To: Stuart A Hamilton's message of Tue, 10 Nov 1998 16:15:46 +0000 Message-ID: Stuart A Hamilton writes: > Well I can't copy it, but I have got a UK copy and I live in Edinburgh. > Assuming you do likewise (looking at the holyrood.ed.ac.uk e-mail address), > I could be persuaded to lend it out. > > Z If Marc Power doesn't mind - may I also take up this offer? cheers jill (also at holyrood) =================================================== > > M Holmes wrote: > > > > >>I just got a free video from a NYC Space-Rock band called > > > >>Born to Go, anyone heard of them? what else do they have > > > >>out? The video is great, especially since it was free! > > > >>This is the hardest Space-Rock band I have heard since > > > >>Lemmy left Hawkwind. > > > > > > I have watched their 'Robots on the Rise' video about six or > > > seven times now and it still rocks! I would love to get hold > > > of the Strange Daze show. Anyone? > > > > Does anyone have the ability to do an NTSC->PAL conversion and is up for > > trade? > > > > FoFP > ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mordru at FLITE.NET Tue Nov 10 13:19:10 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:19:10 -0500 Subject: OFF: BORN to GO - Free video offer Message-ID: >Hi SpaceRockerz, > >Thanks for the kind comments of people on the list about > >I am still happy to continue my offer of a free VHS video >to anyone, anywhere on the planet who wants a copy, of >SpaceRock band BORN to GO, live at the Lion's Den, NYC. > >Just email me with your snailmail address and be prepared to >wait a couple of weeks. Still enjoying your last tape you sent out on the list... really cool of you to be doing this stuff.. Andrew Apold 4580 Amherst Circle #82 West Palm Beach FL 33417 ============================================ It's the Nexus of the crisis and the Origin of Storms... -"Astronomy" by Blue ?yster Cult -AAA From pookadad at DELTANET.COM Tue Nov 10 13:29:19 1998 From: pookadad at DELTANET.COM (Michael Karschner) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:29:19 -0800 Subject: OFF: Vampires Message-ID: Dawa wrote: > Its called Vampire$, and it by some guy named John Steakley. > It's based on the Steakley book? COOL--I loved that book!! (But look what Hollywood did to "Starship Troopers.") James Woods should do great as the hero. Steakley wrote a science-fiction novel called "Armor" that was really good, too. (Soldiers in powered-armor suits, but different from Heinlein's.) -- Mike From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Nov 10 13:41:12 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:41:12 -0500 Subject: HW:Lord of the Hornets Message-ID: Patrick rants... >I can't believe that few people know of Lord of the Hornets! I deleted my >mail so I haven't got the example but the penultimate R.Calvert song with >Lemmy on bass, Simon King on Drums and Huw on guitar is one which is worth >buying Freq, Hype, or the Best of Friends and Relations for! > >The rant endeth here. I think most of us HWders know it, probably so well that we figure there's not much point in talking it up too much. I like this tune alot, each version I've heard. I think Calvert did at least three himself. And Turner's done it as well I think. And of course, the Born to Go version at SD'98 that I commented favourably about in my review in 'Aural Innovations'. >BTW, what is the deal with reading Moorcock and Hawkwind, I mean did they >put stuff in his books that made you go out and buy Hawkwind or what? Well, hell yeah! (see Time of the Hawklords...although I hear that Butterworth actually wrote the entire thing) And vice versa. (see Chronicle of the Black Sword) I think I learned about both from my older brother...dunno which first, but I gather he discovered one through the other, as I imagine almost all of us here did. I figure that a few of us even went the BOC - Moorcock - Hawkwind way as well. Which of course, is the whole basis for this combined list. Isn't what I'm saying very general information?? I'd *hope* so! >It just seemed like as soon as I read Moorcock all of a sudden you find >yourself listening to incredible amounts of Space Rock. You got a problem with that?? :) Keith H. (FAA) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Nov 10 13:51:09 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:51:09 -0500 Subject: OFF: interesting band Message-ID: Jill said... >Apparently there's a band called Ebeling Hughes touring around the States >just now which is being highly recommended on another list - so if >anyone sees them being advertised it might be worth going along to >listen! This is a band from Detroit made up of two musicians named Bob Ebeling and Chuck Hughes, hence the name of the band. I reviewed their latest album (Trnasfigured Night) in the most recent Aural Innovations, and to be honest, didn't think too highly of it. It's kind of like Pink Floyd's Obscured by Clouds, especially since so many of the tracks are very slow...in fact, they drag. The sounds are really nice, though, and I hear their live show is quite different from their recorded work. In fact, I'm considering a trip up to Cleveland to see their final show on this tour. Dates are available at www.ebelinghughes.com I haven't got their first full-length work, 'The little bugs glow', but I have heard (from Walk on Water vocalist Mark Kahaian, who has a side project with Bob E. called 'Baker') that it is the superior work. I'm still looking for it. Keith H. (FAA) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Nov 10 13:57:34 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:57:34 -0500 Subject: OFF: Silver Apples Message-ID: Hi Folks... I have just seen some tragic news about Silver Apples. To me, the info seemed truthful as opposed to some internet hoax. To be honest, I haven't heard this band, though with some increased discussion lately on various lists, have started to look seriously at their albums in the bins...I just don't know which to start with. Anyway, there apparently was a serious traffic accident that has left one of the band members (Simeon I believe is his name) paralyzed, at least temporarily. In any case, his musical career is apparently finished, as walking again is now his main focus. Sorry to darken your day. Keith H. (FAA) From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue Nov 10 14:03:15 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:03:15 -0500 Subject: HW:Lord of the Hornets Message-ID: Keith Henderson [mailto:henderson.120 at OSU.EDU] said: >I figure that a few of us even went the BOC - Moorcock - Hawkwind way as well. Which of course, >is the whole basis for this combined list. Isn't what I'm saying very general information?? >I'd *hope* so! BOC - Hawkwind - Moorcock for me. It was the list, not Moorcock, that got me into Hawkwind. I can't say I even own one of his books. I just contemplate buying one every time I walk in the bookstore or listen to CotBS. Brian obCD> The Bevis Frond: New River Head ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html "We are drawing a moustache on the wanted poster of the face of music." -Fierce Wicker ---------- From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Nov 10 14:09:53 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 19:09:53 +0000 Subject: Born To Go video in Edinburgh Message-ID: I don't think Marc would mind as it'll save him money and time. And I've got the original video with both performances. So anyone who wants to take me up on this, send me a private e-mail and I'll sort something out. I might even tape my audio copy of Born To Go at StrangeDaze 1997. Of course you'll all have read about that on my e-zine at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com! J Strobridge wrote: > Stuart A Hamilton writes: > > > Well I can't copy it, but I have got a UK copy and I live in Edinburgh. > > Assuming you do likewise (looking at the holyrood.ed.ac.uk e-mail address), > > I could be persuaded to lend it out. > > > > Z > > If Marc Power doesn't mind - may I also take up this offer? > > cheers > jill (also at holyrood) > > =================================================== > > > > > M Holmes wrote: > > > > > > >>I just got a free video from a NYC Space-Rock band called > > > > >>Born to Go, anyone heard of them? what else do they have > > > > >>out? The video is great, especially since it was free! > > > > >>This is the hardest Space-Rock band I have heard since > > > > >>Lemmy left Hawkwind. > > > > > > > > I have watched their 'Robots on the Rise' video about six or > > > > seven times now and it still rocks! I would love to get hold > > > > of the Strange Daze show. Anyone? > > > > > > Does anyone have the ability to do an NTSC->PAL conversion and is up for > > > trade? > > > > > > FoFP > > > =========================================================================== > J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mordru at FLITE.NET Tue Nov 10 14:18:39 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:18:39 -0500 Subject: OFF: Vampires Message-ID: >Dawa wrote: > >> Its called Vampire$, and it by some guy named John Steakley. >> > >It's based on the Steakley book? COOL--I loved that book!! (But look what >Hollywood did to "Starship Troopers.") James Woods should do great as the >hero. >Steakley wrote a science-fiction novel called "Armor" that was really good, >too. (Soldiers in powered-armor suits, but different from Heinlein's.) I met Steakly at a con once, seemed like a nice guy. It is loosely based on the book, Jack Crow (James Woods) is very much the same character. But much was changed, stuff cut, etc. However, this was a director with a pretty good vision, John Carpenter, and the film is called "John Carpenter's Vampires", not "John Steakley's Vampires". ============================================ It's the Nexus of the crisis and the Origin of Storms... -"Astronomy" by Blue ?yster Cult -AAA From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Nov 10 15:35:25 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:35:25 -0800 Subject: OFF: Silver Apples Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:57:34 -0500, Keith Henderson reported: >I have just seen some tragic news about Silver Apples. To me, the info >seemed truthful as opposed to some internet hoax. The news is, unfortunately, quite true ... >To be honest, I haven't >heard this band, though with some increased discussion lately on various >lists, have started to look seriously at their albums in the bins...I just >don't know which to start with. Silver Apples [New York], who took their name from a work by experiemtal composer Morton Subotnick ("Silver Apples of the Moon"), were one of the very first rock bands to experiment with integrating synthesized and electronic sounds (see also: United States of America [L.A.], 50 Foot Hose [San Francisco], Mandrake Memorial [New York]) into their music. They were a duo consisting of drummer Dan Taylor, and Simeon, who played banjo and Simeon (a home-made electronic contraption named after its inventor that consisted of numerous audio generators and filters that could be controlled with knees, elbows, feet, etc. as well as hands). Their two 60s albums, 'Silver Apples' and 'Contact', although out of fashion for many years (allegedly in the 70s, they could be found by the dozen in the cut-out bins), have recently become holy grails for collectors of psych/space/electronic/experimental music, going for $25+ from psych dealers at record fairs. I'd highly recommend both albums (which have been reissued on CD, both legitimately and not) to the (Del Dettmar-lovin') Hawkwind fans on the list, especially those also into (70s New York band) Suicide, who were heavily influenced by the Silver Apples. Owing to the renewed interest in the band, Simeon recently began recording and performing again (including at the recent Terrastock fest in San Francisco). And even more recently, he hooked up with original drummer Dan Taylor, who has just begun playing again after a 25-year hiatus spent mostly working for the phone company. There are a couple of newer Silver Apples recordings out now, which while good, are not as highly recommended as their original two albums. >Anyway, there apparently was a serious traffic accident that has left one of >the band members (Simeon I believe is his name) paralyzed, at least >temporarily. In any case, his musical career is apparently finished, as >walking again is now his main focus.Sorry to darken your day. Like I said, this news was passed to me by people close to the band, and is unquestionably true. If you had the chance to see the band during their brief reunion, you can consider yourself very fortunate. At least the albums are still available for the less-fortunate among us. -Doug ceres at sirius.com From wandering-star at GEOCITIES.COM Tue Nov 10 15:43:06 1998 From: wandering-star at GEOCITIES.COM (wandering-star) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:43:06 +0000 Subject: Moorcock/Hawkwind Message-ID: The Moorcock/Hawkwind thing is well strange: Now I started reading Moorcock(not Chron of the Black sword though), and 6 months later started listening to Hawkwind in the form of a tape of Live Chronicles. Now I had no tracklisting/sleevenotes so didn't know it was related to Moorcock. I've talked to a few hawkwind/moorcock fans who did the same thing, though not necessarily in the same order ;-) Eerie. There must be a Psychic link.. Rich ;-) From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Tue Nov 10 13:52:16 1998 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 19:52:16 +0100 Subject: HW:Lord of the Hornets Message-ID: > BTW what is the deal with reading Moorcock and Hawkwind, I mean did they > put stuff in his books that made you go out and buy Hawkwind or what? It > just seemed like as soon as I read Moorcock all of a sudden you find > yourself listening to incredible amounts of Space Rock. Well, Moorcock dedicated his book _An Alien Heat_ in 1972 to Hawkwind. And Turner, Brock,Calvert, DikMik, Dettmar & Ollis were guests on that Peace conference held in _The English Assassin_ also in 1972. I also recall that in some other Moorcock book there?s a scene about the Mountain Grill in Portobello Road, also with some Hawklords appearing. Does anyone know about this? Or did I dream it? I?m also a victim of Moorcock. I started reading in 1977 with the _Runestaff_ series and all his other stuff from than on, and I have read in a foreword of one of those books that he?s written stuff for HW. That got me into buying _Sonic Attack_ in 1982, which wasn?t at all the kind of music I listened to at that time, and ... I was never ever quite the same since. Andreas From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Tue Nov 10 16:07:32 1998 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:07:32 -0000 Subject: Moorcock/Hawkwind Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: wandering-star To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 10 November 1998 20:51 Subject: Moorcock/Hawkwind >The Moorcock/Hawkwind thing is well strange: > >Now I started reading Moorcock(not Chron of the Black sword though), and >6 months later started listening to Hawkwind >in the form of a tape of Live Chronicles. Now I had no >tracklisting/sleevenotes so didn't know it was related to Moorcock. >I've talked to a few hawkwind/moorcock fans who did the same thing, >though not necessarily in the same order ;-) > >Eerie. There must be a Psychic link.. > >Rich ;-) > Hi, I'm another new to the list. I started reading Moorcock at around the same time as I got some Hawkwind taped off a friend. When he came round shortly after, he noticed the Moorcock book and told me that he'd wriitten some of the Hawkwind he'd taped for me. He'd never heard of Moorcock other than the song credits (we were both in our early teens and the albums were his brother's). Coincidence or not? Curiously, at around the same time, I was reading a lot comic stuff by Alan Moore, who, it turns out was a big HW fan (and had interviewed them in Sounds at around this time - great interview, but unfortunately I don't have a copy) and, so I was once told, appeared on stage with them once or twice. Anyone able to back this up? BTW I got a batch of flyers from Trev Hughes today, mostly for his comic marts, at the bottom of one its lists places he'll be having stalls the last of which is: "Hawkwind: Ledge of Darkness (preview) Christmas gig(s): SAE for details when known" Wishful thinking or does he know something we (or at least I) don't? Cheers, Nick From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Nov 10 16:26:31 1998 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (denizen of chaos) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:26:31 -0600 Subject: HW:Lord of the Hornets In-Reply-To: <199811101841.NAA16150@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Nov 1998, Keith Henderson wrote: :Subject: Re: HW:Lord of the Hornets : :>BTW, what is the deal with reading Moorcock and Hawkwind, I mean did they :>put stuff in his books that made you go out and buy Hawkwind or what? : :Well, hell yeah! (see Time of the Hawklords...although I hear that :Butterworth actually wrote the entire thing) And vice versa. (see :Chronicle of the Black Sword) I think I learned about both from my older :brother...dunno which first, but I gather he discovered one through the :other, as I imagine almost all of us here did. I figure that a few of us :even went the BOC - Moorcock - Hawkwind way as well. Which of course, is :the whole basis for this combined list. Isn't what I'm saying very general :information?? I'd *hope* so! : I went the Moorcock --> BOC | --> Hawkwind route myself. (picked up hawkwind on the basis of having read that Moorcock had played with them. picked up BOC after reading in a Locus that Eric Bloom had jammed on stage with Moorcock at a Dragoncon.) Fell instantly for Hawkwind, and have been addicted since. (I'm very much a fan of Moorcock's multiverse stuff.) On random Moorcock notes, did his band, Deep Fix, ever end up recording _The Entropy Tango_? On other random notes, did the sequel to _Time of the Hawklords_ ever come out in novel form? (_The Queens of Deleria_, written entirely by Butterworth) (...and was there a third book as well?) Arin ---hellhound shelter--------------------------------------------------- the denizen of chaos | denizen at pobox.com aka Arin Komins | http://www.pobox.com/~denizen/ ------------------------------------------------searching for satori--- From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Nov 10 16:39:49 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:39:49 +0000 Subject: OFF: unknown Ozrics CD Message-ID: Dear All, sighted today, Ozrics CD called 'Spice Doubt', appears to be a legit. release. Not a live album, but has the track-list of one, it seems; sort of one-day session job. Anyone know anything about this, and is it worth getting? Yours, Jon -- /----------------------------------------------------------\ | Jonathan Jarrett Pembroke College | | jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk Cambridge | | 01223 338100 CB2 1RF | |----------------------------------------------------------| | "Wilhelm Reich died for your sins" (ST37) | \----------------------------------------------------------/ From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Tue Nov 10 16:55:06 1998 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (denizen of chaos) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:55:06 -0600 Subject: OFF: unknown Ozrics CD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Nov 1998, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: :Subject: OFF: unknown Ozrics CD : : Dear All, : sighted today, Ozrics CD called 'Spice Doubt', appears :to be a legit. release. Not a live album, but has the track-list of one, :it seems; sort of one-day session job. Anyone know anything about this, :and is it worth getting? Yours, : Jon Jon, Other than the neato-keen tacky cover with green goo and plastic fish, you mean? It isn't bad, but not fantastic. ...and it is a live album, albeit a bit of a weird one. check out the details on the ozrics page at: http://www.execpc.com/~mwerning/ Arin ---hellhound shelter--------------------------------------------------- the denizen of chaos | denizen at pobox.com aka Arin Komins | http://www.pobox.com/~denizen/ ------------------------------------------------searching for satori--- From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Tue Nov 10 17:40:57 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 17:40:57 -0500 Subject: HW:Lord of the Hornets Message-ID: I went, Moorcock, BOC (coinidentally,) and HW ("hey, check this out moorcock writes for this band!") rj >I went the Moorcock --> BOC > | > --> Hawkwind > >route myself. > >(picked up hawkwind on the basis of having read that Moorcock had played >with them. picked up BOC after reading in a Locus that Eric Bloom had >jammed on stage with Moorcock at a Dragoncon.) > >Fell instantly for Hawkwind, and have been addicted since. > >(I'm very much a fan of Moorcock's multiverse stuff.) > >On random Moorcock notes, did his band, Deep Fix, ever end up recording >_The Entropy Tango_? > >On other random notes, did the sequel to _Time of the Hawklords_ ever >come out in novel form? (_The Queens of Deleria_, written entirely by >Butterworth) > >(...and was there a third book as well?) > >Arin >---hellhound shelter--------------------------------------------------- >the denizen of chaos | denizen at pobox.com >aka Arin Komins | http://www.pobox.com/~denizen/ >------------------------------------------------searching for satori--- From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Nov 10 17:50:26 1998 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 17:50:26 -0500 Subject: HW:Lord of the Hornets In-Reply-To: from "Andreas Stuewe" at Nov 10, 98 07:52:16 pm Message-ID: Andreas Stuewe wrote: > > I also recall that in > some other Moorcock book there's a scene about the Mountain Grill in Portobello > Road, also with some Hawklords appearing. Does anyone know about this? Or did I > dream it? Well, a good part of Time of the Hawklords takes place in and around the Mountain Grill -- it has the band living (squatting?) upstairs or next door or something. But then, that's not really Moorcock. Did any of *his* books mention the MG? Besides that, somewhere in the Cornelius Chronicles, Jerry has a huge party that goes on for several days, and there's a long tedious list of people who show up. Tedious, that is, until you get to where HW are mentioned :-) Maybe they even played; I can't recall. There's also a scene in the same series with Jerry sitting on the bank of the Thames, surveying the general destruction that was once London, listening to Hawkwind on his Walkman (written years before such things existed, of course). -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The Rock & Roll Baby Theorem: Syllables(x+"baby") = Syllables("baby"+x) = Syllables(x) + 2 SemanticContent(x+"baby") = SemanticContent("baby"+x) = SemanticContent(x) - Anonymous From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Tue Nov 10 17:52:36 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 17:52:36 -0500 Subject: OFF: Metallica/Vampires (Godzilla) Message-ID: I think the only thing that sucked about GDZLa is that in an effort to ensure a kids cartoon series, and a healthy toy-market, they toned it down to near cartoon status. The special effects were AWeSOME, and made the movie worth seeing. I think the movie should have been MUCH darker, and gruesome. And probably in Hawaii or something. (Why did the thing swim AROUND North America, to surface in NYC?!?!?!) But if the movie was as dark and gruesome as it should have been, the kiddies could not have gone to see it, mass-appeal would have been slaughtered, and the budget could not have been justified, I guess... rj -----Original Message----- From: Nick English at blackboard.com To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 4:27 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Metallica/Vampires > Speaking of which finally saw Godzilla on video, and its probably worse than > people on this list have mentioned. You guys were way too kind to this > movie. > > L8er > Ghost in the Ruins Now do you believe me?! On the other side of the coin, I want to personally recommend John Carpenter's Vampires to EVERYONE on this list. Saw it Halloween night and this is one seriously kick-ass flick! Believe it or not, James Woods as an action/horror hero really works. I have a totally new-found respect for the guy. See this movie. -- Nick From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Nov 10 18:00:14 1998 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:00:14 -0500 Subject: Moorcock/Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <3648A559.2E7AE80E@geocities.com> from "wandering-star" at Nov 10, 98 08:43:06 pm Message-ID: wandering-star wrote: > > Eerie. There must be a Psychic link.. Indeed! I just started a new job, and was talking to someone about Hawkwind (he'd never heard of them, but has zillions of Legendary Pink Dots CDs). Someone else overheard us and made the connection between HW and Moorcock. Turns out he'd never heard of HW either; he was thinking of Dorian Hawkmoon. Still... Ob-pushing-the-similar-names-thing-CD: Hassan Hakmoon and Zohar (Can't remember what it's called, but the cover photo is of a guy with his head in a crocodile's mouth) -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The Rock & Roll Baby Theorem: Syllables(x+"baby") = Syllables("baby"+x) = Syllables(x) + 2 SemanticContent(x+"baby") = SemanticContent("baby"+x) = SemanticContent(x) - Anonymous From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Nov 10 18:15:10 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 23:15:10 +0000 Subject: HW:Lord of the Hornets In-Reply-To: <000e01be0cfb$33ac3140$31a48fcc@sprawl> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Nov 1998, sprawl wrote: > I went, Moorcock, BOC (coinidentally,) and HW ("hey, check this out moorcock > writes for this band!") > rj > > >I went the Moorcock --> BOC > > | > > --> Hawkwind BOC -\ > BOC-L --> Moorcock, for me. Am I odd? Jon Hawkwind -/ -- /----------------------------------------------------------\ | Jonathan Jarrett Pembroke College | | jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk Cambridge | | 01223 338100 CB2 1RF | |----------------------------------------------------------| | "Wilhelm Reich died for your sins" (ST37) | \----------------------------------------------------------/ From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Nov 10 18:33:05 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:33:05 -0500 Subject: HW:Lord of the Hornets Message-ID: Arin said... >(I'm very much a fan of Moorcock's multiverse stuff.) > >On random Moorcock notes, did his band, Deep Fix, ever end up recording >_The Entropy Tango_? Well, a few demos were made, but the entire multi-media project never got completely off the ground. However, unless my brain has gone completely haywire, the demos (along with commentary by Brian Tawn) were made available as part of the Hawkfan 12 LP (or cassette). And of course, that material (at least the music recordings) are to be on the soon-to-be-released 'Elf & Hawk' CD. I believe there were two tracks, perhaps three? 'Brothel in Rosenstrasse' and the title track were the two, I think. >On other random notes, did the sequel to _Time of the Hawklords_ ever >come out in novel form? (_The Queens of Deleria_, written entirely by >Butterworth) Yes...I've got one in fact. >(...and was there a third book as well?) Yes...Ledge of Darkness. But it was never published/released as a book, but was made available as part of a Griffin box set package. Can't remember off-hand which CD it was released with. I'm pretty sure I've got it, but never read the thing since people pretty much have panned Buttorworth's writing. I guess I should pull it out soon, though, if this 'Death Generator' tour gets going. Keith H. (FAA) From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Tue Nov 10 18:59:11 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 17:59:11 -0600 Subject: OFF: Metallica/Vampires Message-ID: > Speaking of which finally saw Godzilla on video, and its probably worse than > > people on this list have mentioned. You guys were way too kind to this > > movie. > > > > L8er > > Ghost in the Ruins > > Now do you believe me?! > > On the other side of the coin, I want to personally recommend John > Carpenter's Vampires to EVERYONE on this list. Saw it Halloween night > and this is one seriously kick-ass flick! Believe it or not, James > Woods as an action/horror hero really works. I have a totally > new-found respect for the guy. See this movie. > > -- Nick Can't agree with you more, one of the better Vampire movies, right up there with Near Dark, The Lost Boys, and Fright Night in my opinion, Near Dark probably being my favorite. Escape From L.A. was the only Carpenter movie I really never liked, but one of my favorites from him would have to be "They Live", I just love that movie. Laj. From lostgonzo at EARTHLING.NET Tue Nov 10 19:19:45 1998 From: lostgonzo at EARTHLING.NET (lostgonzo) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 01:19:45 +0100 Subject: Hawkind/bootlegs Message-ID: Hi, I'm from Germany and desperately looking for some Hawkwind bootleg tapes (if possible 70s stuff). Unfortunately I have no HW tapes I could send in return. Is there anybody out there who would make copies for blank tapes and postage? I could also offer some CDs (Nick Riff, Mercury Rev, Nik Turner). Please let me know and contact me privately. Thanks a lot, gonzo -- Check my tapelist: http://highrise.freeservers.com/tapelist.htm From iscladoc at IDIR.NET Tue Nov 10 21:33:22 1998 From: iscladoc at IDIR.NET (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:33:22 -0600 Subject: HW:Lord of the Hornets In-Reply-To: <199811102333.SAA01794@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Nov 1998, Keith Henderson wrote: > >Arin said... > >On random Moorcock notes, did his band, Deep Fix, ever end up recording > >_The Entropy Tango_? > > Well, a few demos were made, but the entire multi-media project never got > completely off the ground. However, unless my brain has gone completely > haywire, the demos (along with commentary by Brian Tawn) were made available > as part of the Hawkfan 12 LP (or cassette). By far, most of that material has not seen print, so far as I know. Perhaps Dave Cohen and/or John Davey can correct me here? As I understand it, I believe that the material listed below is most (though probably not all) of the Entropy Tango and Gloriana material: == Michael Moorcock and the Deep Fix: Concerts and Rehearsals: the Bootleg: Half Alive from '73-'80 (Made for the Nomads of the Time Streams, Sept. '90) (tape 46) dodgem dude, starcruiser, brothel in rossenstrasse, running through the backbrain, coded languages, good girl bad girl, at the time centre, john dee's song*, the entropy tango+,harlequin's birthplace*, quire's song*, ingleborough*, gloriana*, montfalcon*, lost in the megaflow+, lastly it's the bellyflops^ + = from _the entropy tango_ * = all first rehearsal takes from _gloriana_ ^ = 1966 demo a great rarity, made by MM himself for those few of us Nomads who came to Atlanta's _Georgia Fantasy Con" in '90 to see him.... ----- Moorcock Miscellany (tape 45) Cirith Ungol: one foot in hell, chaos descends, nadsokor Michal Moorcock's _The Brothel in Rossesnstrasse_: brothel in rossenstrasse, good girl bad girl, at the time centre, another quiet day in auschwitz and turn the tape over (cassette b side by pavli/shaw) Basically, this is a compilation of misc. stuff, just like the above MM tape, but it wasn't made by MM.... :) ==== For more info on MM, check out the fledgling website www.multiverse.org, which is now the official home to the Nomads of the Time Streams. > And of course, that material > (at least the music recordings) are to be on the soon-to-be-released 'Elf & > Hawk' CD. I believe there were two tracks, perhaps three? 'Brothel in > Rosenstrasse' and the title track were the two, I think. I don't believe I'd heard that, actually: might have hopped on the limited pressing awhile ago... Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. iscladoc at idir.net RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. Visit the Dreaming City: http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr "When you're hiding 29 you know it ain't a crime to burn a little brighter now"--Marillion, "Torch Song" From erics at TELEPRES.COM Tue Nov 10 23:19:21 1998 From: erics at TELEPRES.COM (Eric Siegerman) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 23:19:21 -0500 Subject: OFF: Vampires In-Reply-To: <364885FF.C98B5792@deltanet.com> from "Michael Karschner" at Nov 10, 98 10:29:19 am Message-ID: Michael Karschner wrote: > Steakley wrote a science-fiction novel called "Armor" that was really good, > too. (Soldiers in powered-armor suits, but different from Heinlein's.) So did Joe Haldeman: The Forever War. Written while Viet Nam was happening, so you can guess what his attitude was like... -- | | /\ |-_|/ > Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont. erics at telepres.com | | / The Rock & Roll Baby Theorem: Syllables(x+"baby") = Syllables("baby"+x) = Syllables(x) + 2 SemanticContent(x+"baby") = SemanticContent("baby"+x) = SemanticContent(x) - Anonymous From mordru at FLITE.NET Wed Nov 11 00:00:42 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 00:00:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: Vampires Message-ID: >Michael Karschner wrote: >> Steakley wrote a science-fiction novel called "Armor" that was really good, >> too. (Soldiers in powered-armor suits, but different from Heinlein's.) > >So did Joe Haldeman: The Forever War. Written while Viet Nam >was happening, so you can guess what his attitude was like... Anyone check out his recent follow-up? "Forever Peace"? ============================= "All praise, he's found the awful truth, Balthazar... He's found the saucer news!" - E.T.I. by Blue ?yster Cult -AAA From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Nov 11 00:05:03 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 00:05:03 -0500 Subject: HW: was Re: Hawkwind/bootlegs Message-ID: Gonzo says... >I'm from Germany and desperately looking for some Hawkwind bootleg tapes >(if possible 70s stuff). Unfortunately I have no HW tapes I could send >in return. Is there anybody out there who would make copies for blank >tapes and postage? I could also offer some CDs (Nick Riff, Mercury Rev, >Nik Turner). On the subject of Nick Riff...I came across a four (?) song demo CD in a used CD store last week of brand new (i.e., 1998) Nick Riff material. It looked very 'homemade' and if I remember correctly, the 'liner notes' seemed to indicate that the material was being shopped around to find an appropriate label on which to release a new album. It had seemed to me that he had sort of disappeared a bit over the last few years or so (even though he had appeared at SD'97) after the Delerium releases, but this seems to indicate that he's now coming back into the picture. I assume he's still based out of Cleveland (or was it Zanesville?), so I imagine that us Ohioans should hear more definite news first. Keith H. (FAA) P.S. For Gonzo...do you know about the several bootleg CD's that listmember Henrik Hallgren (Peace of Mind records) has been offering lately? Some of those are among the best 70's HW recordings that I've heard. Of course, the resident expert is Bernhard Pospiech, so I'll defer to him as a more knowledgeable source. From pookadad at DELTANET.COM Wed Nov 11 01:19:42 1998 From: pookadad at DELTANET.COM (Michael Karschner) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 22:19:42 -0800 Subject: OFF: Vampires Message-ID: Eric Siegerman wrote: > So did Joe Haldeman: The Forever War. Written while Viet Nam > was happening, so you can guess what his attitude was like... Yeah, I liked The Forever War, too, though you're right about the attitude! :) -- Mike From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Wed Nov 11 03:10:31 1998 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 01:10:31 -0700 Subject: Moorcock/Hawkwind Message-ID: wandering-star wrote: > The Moorcock/Hawkwind thing is well strange: I agree. I started out on the Eternal Champion series via a friend. He'd mentioned HW in passing, then after reading the listing of Michael's works, I'd noticed HW in the music notes. I asked He loaned me CDs & taped some stuff, and therefore I have Kollected since:) My first taste was " Warrior on the Edge of Time." Good stuff, all of it. :) > > Eerie. There must be a Psychic link.. Could be:) Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Get it. It will wiggle it's way into your brain & commit total havoc while filling your mind up!! It's awesome:) Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace > > > It isn't bad, but not fantastic. ...and it is a live album, albeit a bit > of a weird one. Haven't you just described 90% of the Ozrics albums? Most are awesome, tho! I say that only 'cause I haven't heard them all yet!:) Pam > > -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Andreas Stuewe wrote on Wednesday, November 11, 1998 4:52 AM > Well, Moorcock dedicated his book _An Alien Heat_ in 1972 to Hawkwind. And > Turner, Brock,Calvert, DikMik, Dettmar & Ollis were guests on that Peace > conference held in _The English Assassin_ also in 1972. I also recall that in > some other Moorcock book there?s a scene about the Mountain Grill in Portobello > Road, also with some Hawklords appearing. Does anyone know about this? Or did I > dream it? > I?m also a victim of Moorcock. I started reading in 1977 with the _Runestaff_ > series and all his other stuff from than on, and I have read in a foreword of one > of those books that he?s written stuff for HW. That got me into buying _Sonic > Attack_ in 1982, which wasn?t at all the kind of music I listened to at that > time, and ... I was never ever quite the same since. > > Andreas Well, of course there is New Worlds 5 (the Sphere Books compilation) which features one of Robert Calvert's poems `Ode to a time flower.' But for the full connection between Calvert and Moorcock, them living together, virtually wife-swapping etc. I'll leave for Max Wilcox to elaborate on (or not). I didn't realise so many people done the HW-Moorcock-BOC(or not) psychic connection. Attempting an explanation I'd say that Moorcock does such bloody excellent stories, and in the case of Jerry is heavily music and drug influenced, therefore any fan of his books will naturally try and find out all the things and sideprojects he has done. With Hawkwind...well virtually the same, try and find out where the hell they get such excellent lyrics and song concepts, naturally leads eventually to Moorcock. Or not. -Patrick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 11 06:17:15 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:17:15 GMT Subject: HW:Lord of the Hornets In-Reply-To: Patrick Cordiner's message of Wed, 11 Nov 1998 01:48:14 +1000 Message-ID: Patrick Cordiner writes: > BTW what is the deal with reading Moorcock and Hawkwind, I mean did they > put stuff in his books that made you go out and buy Hawkwind or what? It > just seemed like as soon as I read Moorcock all of a sudden you find > yourself listening to incredible amounts of Space Rock. That's how I got into Hawkwind. I was an 18 year old student and reading all the Moorcock I could lay my hands on (an excellent way of procrastinating as regards doing actual studying) and my roommate kept playing these tapes that sounded like Deep Purple had gotten hold of all Tangerine Dream's equipment and started a drunken party. He played these two tapes day in and day out intil finally I was moved to take a peek at the cover: "Hall of the Mountain Grill"? Hmmmm catchy title. Isn't there a Mike Oldfield track called something like that? What's the other one? "Warrior on the Edge of Time"??????? Huh? Weird, that's almost what Erekose is called in the book I'm reading. Let's have a look inside then. Fuckin' 'ell Moorcock is *in* this band!!!!! Right then, let's crank this up to eleven and give 'em a serious listen. So within two days I'd been round all the 57 guys in Hepburn Hall and nailed tapes of Space Ritual, X In Search of Space, Roadhawks, Masters of the Universe and Hawkwind. It took a little while longer to nail Astounding Sounds Amazing Music. My roommate wasn't quite so enthusiastic at this point, describing Seeing It As You Really Are as "like a cow giving birth" (he was a farmer). Within a month he'd sold his Warrior and Grill tapes to me and a lifetime of Hawkwind Kollecting was born. Within a few months I'd nailed all the vinyl except the Kings of Speed and Hassan I Sabha singles and the Greasy Truckers LP and had organised a minibus trip to my first Hawkwind gig, which was coincidentally my first ever rock gig (the perils of growing up in a small town in the middle of nowhere). FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 11 06:22:44 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:22:44 GMT Subject: Born To Go video in Edinburgh In-Reply-To: Stuart A Hamilton's message of Tue, 10 Nov 1998 16:15:46 +0000 Message-ID: Stuart A Hamilton writes: > Well I can't copy it, but I have got a UK copy and I live in Edinburgh. > Assuming you do likewise (looking at the holyrood.ed.ac.uk e-mail address), > I could be persuaded to lend it out. ObBill&Ted: Totally Excellent Dude! I have two VCRs so I could get copies run up for folks in the UK who're looking for 'em if they reimburse my postage costs and it's OK with Marc? > Z FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 11 06:26:06 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:26:06 GMT Subject: OFF: Use Your Armour In-Reply-To: Michael Karschner's message of Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:29:19 -0800 Message-ID: Michael Karschner writes: > Dawa wrote: > > > Its called Vampire$, and it by some guy named John Steakley. > > > > It's based on the Steakley book? COOL--I loved that book!! (But look what > Hollywood did to "Starship Troopers.") James Woods should do great as the > hero. > Steakley wrote a science-fiction novel called "Armor" that was really good, > too. (Soldiers in powered-armor suits, but different from Heinlein's.) The book on this that sticks in my mind is Keith Laumer's "A Plahue of Demons". The start of the book is a kind of alien invasion thriller but the end has a most excellent Use Your Armour scene on the Moon. The Armour in question is gigantic though and the Kidnapped Folks aren't wearing it, they've been uploaded into it. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 11 06:49:15 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:49:15 GMT Subject: FAO: Bernhard Message-ID: Bernhard, I'd like to update a couple of lists you sent me a while back. One is a list of tracks played at hawkgigs, the other is a list of which band members played at the gigs. My current lists are complete only up to April 1995 so if you have more up to date ones could you email me the text from April '95 onwards please? Ta FoFP From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Wed Nov 11 08:02:02 1998 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:02:02 -0500 Subject: OFF: Silver Apples Message-ID: >From: Doug Pearson >Silver Apples [New York], who took their name from a work by experiemtal >composer Morton Subotnick ("Silver Apples of the Moon") Doug, as you know people close to the band, perhaps you can offer a definitive answer to this question. Was the name of the band *really* taken from Subotnick's title or from Subotnick's source, William Butler Yeat's poem "Song Of Wandering Angus": "And pluck till time and times are done/The silver apples of the moon, the golden apples of the sun"? John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Wed Nov 11 07:20:26 1998 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 23:20:26 +1100 Subject: Moorkwind In-Reply-To: <36494677.4D2B0BCF@TransWestTaxi.com> Message-ID: On the subject of Moorcock and Hawkwind. It was certainly thus, with me... MM ---> Hawkwind ---> BOC With regards to the Brothel in Rossenstrasse stuff. Allan described what is already out but I will re-mention what I've mentioned in passing before here, as I think it is pertinent. Some time in the first quarter of next year there will be a double CD released containing lots of MM stuff. The first CD will contain all of Michael's demos. That is the stuff recorded for Gloriana; The Entropy Tango and some other rarities. Also perhaps the whole Finally It's the Bellyflops recording. There are some better recordings than those that were released on the "Concerts & Rehearsals" tape - and some time soon, new mixes will be made. The second CD will contain Michael reading from various books of his. Including "The Dancers at the End of Time"; "Byzantium Endures" and probably his new book "King of the City". And NO Elric! Maybe. It is still in the planning stages, as Michael is busy writing at present (surprise surprise), but the project is moving onwards... While I'm at it, do people think it worthwhile packaging both CDs together, or as two separate releases? Also, I asked before whether people would be interested and some people voiced interest, and I still have record of the people who did. But, I'd like to know what sort of interest there is out there for this sort of thing. - Max Wilcox From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 11 08:35:16 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:35:16 GMT Subject: OFF: Silver Apples In-Reply-To: John McIntyre's message of Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:02:02 -0500 Message-ID: John McIntyre writes: > >From: Doug Pearson > > >Silver Apples [New York], who took their name from a work by experiemtal > >composer Morton Subotnick ("Silver Apples of the Moon") > > Doug, as you know people close to the band, perhaps you can offer a > definitive answer to this question. Was the name of the band *really* > taken from Subotnick's title or from Subotnick's source, William Butler > Yeat's poem "Song Of Wandering Angus": "And pluck till time and times > are done/The silver apples of the moon, the golden apples of the sun"? Wasn't there a Ray Bradbury SF book with this name? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Wed Nov 11 08:59:01 1998 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:59:01 +0100 Subject: AW: Bernhard Message-ID: Hello Mike Have a look at Frank Weil's great site and you will find what you're looking for. If not, contact me again please. http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void.html/gigs/setlist.html http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void.html/gigs/lineup.html http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void.html/gigs/ Bernhard From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 11 09:07:55 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:07:55 GMT Subject: OFF: Silver Apples In-Reply-To: J Strobridge's message of Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:35:16 GMT Message-ID: J Strobridge writes: > John McIntyre writes: > > > >From: Doug Pearson > > > > >Silver Apples [New York], who took their name from a work by experiemtal > > >composer Morton Subotnick ("Silver Apples of the Moon") > > > > Doug, as you know people close to the band, perhaps you can offer a > > definitive answer to this question. Was the name of the band *really* > > taken from Subotnick's title or from Subotnick's source, William Butler > > Yeat's poem "Song Of Wandering Angus": "And pluck till time and times > > are done/The silver apples of the moon, the golden apples of the sun"? > > Wasn't there a Ray Bradbury SF book with this name? The Golden Apples of the Sun? FoFP From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Nov 11 09:33:18 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:33:18 +0000 Subject: Born To Go video in Edinburgh Message-ID: > > > > Well I can't copy it, but I have got a UK copy and I live in > Edinburgh. > > Assuming you do likewise (looking at the holyrood.ed.ac.uk e-mail > address), > > I could be persuaded to lend it out. > > ObBill&Ted: Totally Excellent Dude! > > I have two VCRs so I could get copies run up for folks in the UK > who're > looking for 'em if they reimburse my postage costs and it's OK with > Marc? Why not just whack it into the vid and have a wild party round your house for all those who live in Edinburgh? Cheers, Rich. ObHMHBref: "Henry Rollins, Henry Rollins, you're hard, you're hard. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Nov 11 09:45:16 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:45:16 +0000 Subject: OFF: Silver Apples Message-ID: John McIntyre wrote: > >From: Doug Pearson > > >Silver Apples [New York], who took their name from a work by > experiemtal > >composer Morton Subotnick ("Silver Apples of the Moon") > > Doug, as you know people close to the band, perhaps you can offer a > definitive answer to this question. Was the name of the band *really* > > taken from Subotnick's title or from Subotnick's source, William > Butler > Yeat's poem "Song Of Wandering Angus": "And pluck till time and times > > are done/The silver apples of the moon, the golden apples of the sun"? On a more musical note (arf arf), did anyone go to the recent Damon Albern/Alex Wotsit, Silver Apples, Half Man Half Biscuit gig in London? And if so, does anyone have a tape? Cheers, Rich. ** France is made of marbles ** From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Wed Nov 11 09:29:00 1998 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:29:00 GMT Subject: OFF: frrrrrrrrrrripp! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: JB>Mrs. Fripp is starring as "Aladdin" in the X-Mas panto at Richmond JB>Theatre this holiday season. Is Toyah Wilcox still Fripp's wife? Or someone else is now? Simplius From mpower at CICG-DEV.ETSD.ML.COM Wed Nov 11 10:52:59 1998 From: mpower at CICG-DEV.ETSD.ML.COM (Marc Power) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:52:59 -0500 Subject: Power suit Armour Message-ID: > > Michael Karschner wrote: > > Steakley wrote a science-fiction novel called "Armor" that was really good, > > too. (Soldiers in powered-armor suits, but different from Heinlein's.) > > Eric Siegerman scribed: > > So did Joe Haldeman: The Forever War. Written while Viet Nam > was happening, so you can guess what his attitude was like... > And here's the link that brings us neatly on topic, by being at least obliquely Hawkwind related.... Mick Farren, ertswhile Deviant, Motorhead lyricist, Rock N' Roll, Notting Hill crew hanger-on, Journo hack and esteemed SF/Fantasy author penned a book called 'Their masters War' featuring shiny black semi-sentient and latex-like alien power suits for the troops, that also doubled as masturbatory devices (don't ask!). Its worth checking out, as are many of his books. I particularly like 'The quest of the DNA cowboys' which is a trilogy, I have forgotten the names of the other two books in the series. Anyone? And finally, Mr Moorcock himself, 'Armour for everyday' AKA 'My Armour is killing me' as performed by Genesis P. Orridge, well-known industrial UK-exile on one of the Nik Turner CD's (forgotten this too). And I haven't even got to Wilhelm Reich, discoverer of Orgone energy, who in his book 'Character Analysis' deals with Psychic Body-Armour. Ta Dah! Marc. From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Wed Nov 11 11:07:44 1998 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 16:07:44 -0000 Subject: Power suit Armour Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Marc Power To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 11 November 1998 15:57 Subject: Power suit Armour >Mick Farren, ertswhile Deviant, Motorhead lyricist, Rock N' Roll, >Notting Hill crew hanger-on, Journo hack and esteemed SF/Fantasy >author penned a book called 'Their masters War' featuring shiny >black semi-sentient and latex-like alien power suits for the troops, >that also doubled as masturbatory devices (don't ask!). > >Its worth checking out, as are many of his books. I particularly like >'The quest of the DNA cowboys' which is a trilogy, I have forgotten >the names of the other two books in the series. Anyone? > I picked up a book by Farren a few years back called "Last Stand of the DNA Cowboys" which was quite an entertaining read. It doesn't mention being part of trilogy, but, without giving the ending away too much, I'd guess it's the last part ;-) Cheers, Nick From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Nov 11 11:21:10 1998 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (denizen of chaos) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:21:10 -0600 Subject: Power suit Armour In-Reply-To: <199811111552.KAA13818@xenon> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Nov 1998, Marc Power wrote: :Subject: Power suit Armour :> : :And here's the link that brings us neatly on topic, by being :at least obliquely Hawkwind related.... : :Mick Farren, ertswhile Deviant, Motorhead lyricist, Rock N' Roll, :Notting Hill crew hanger-on, Journo hack and esteemed SF/Fantasy :author penned a book called 'Their masters War' featuring shiny :black semi-sentient and latex-like alien power suits for the troops, :that also doubled as masturbatory devices (don't ask!). : :Its worth checking out, as are many of his books. I particularly like :'The quest of the DNA cowboys' which is a trilogy, I have forgotten :the names of the other two books in the series. Anyone? : Four of them, actually ;) THE QUEST OF THE DNA COWBOYS THE SYNAPTIC MANHUNT THE NEURAL ATTROCITY THE LAST STAND OF THE DNA COWBOYS Arin ---hellhound shelter--------------------------------------------------- the denizen of chaos | denizen at pobox.com aka Arin Komins | http://www.pobox.com/~denizen/ ------------------------------------------------searching for satori--- From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 11 11:34:18 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 16:34:18 GMT Subject: Power suit Armour In-Reply-To: Marc Power's message of Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:52:59 -0500 Message-ID: Marc Power writes: > And I haven't even got to Wilhelm Reich, discoverer of Orgone energy, Coincidentally, there was a political/weird shit bookstall at this year's Glastonbury flood^H^H^H^Hestival where I picked up a reprint of Reich's original pamphlet on the Orgone Accumulator (with diagrams on how to construct your own). FoFP From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Wed Nov 11 11:36:47 1998 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 16:36:47 +0000 Subject: Power suit Armour In-Reply-To: <199811111552.KAA13818@xenon> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Nov 1998, Marc Power wrote: > > Mick Farren, ertswhile Deviant, Motorhead lyricist, Rock N' Roll, > Notting Hill crew hanger-on, Journo hack and esteemed SF/Fantasy > author penned a book called 'Their masters War' featuring shiny > black semi-sentient and latex-like alien power suits for the troops, > that also doubled as masturbatory devices (don't ask!). > > Its worth checking out, as are many of his books. I particularly like > 'The quest of the DNA cowboys' which is a trilogy, I have forgotten > the names of the other two books in the series. Anyone? I think there were 4 in this trilogy, involving the synaptic manhunt, the neural atrocity and the last stand of the dna cowboys. I would agree that his books are worth getting hold of. And it is also worth takinga look at his homepage http://members.aol.com/byron4d/index.html Cheers Mike w From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Wed Nov 11 11:55:49 1998 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (J. Scruton) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:55:49 -0500 Subject: OFF: frrrrrrrrrrripp! and stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 02:29 PM 11/11/98 GMT, you wrote: >Is Toyah Wilcox still Fripp's wife? Or someone else is now? Toyah Wilcox is still Fripp's wife. Random fun filled comments: Listening to King Crimson's Nightwatch CD, I find I'm disappointed by it as a whole. However, it does give a good place for Wetton's bass playing and D.Cross to shine. One week to go till soundscaping.woohoo! Ought to be interesting, having never seen Fripp in any form previously. I wonder how the King Biscuit BOC CD is doing... wasnt it supposed to be out sometime around the Gold AoF ? Yeah, BOC needs its own version of 1999 Party or Space Ritual-- a 2 CD lavish blowout of coolnes and sinister imagery. Could be the first set of discs packaged in black leather emblazoned with a blood red "Cronos" logo. hehehehe If the revamping of the first 2 BOC CDs is actually going to be done, I hope that the liner notes are copious with good stuff (couresy Bolle's vaults or Bucks maybe? like the Who remastered version of "Live at Leeds" yet another live LP thats good, but sounds too spread apart drumwise. I can't beleive they left out that COOL photo of the band in the liner to T&M. That photo defines the visual imagery of the band moreso than any other I think. Look at that puppy, they're all wearing black (sans Buck) They were America's version of sinister... not to mention how surly A.Lanier looks. The verdict: OYFoOYK is the best live release availible. Yay impartial judgement. THAT should be redone-- put the full color inner photo of the band and that book on the back where it belongs. I wonder where that tome went to? (Space Ritual could be tied for first place, granted I havent heard it yet) Other really odd noting: I was looking at a webpage (forgot the address) titled "Whiplash! Blue Oyster Cult" that was in Spanish, but at the end the discography lists the "on the ground or in my mouth" (Whatever that title is for the EP) and Live (1994) anyone know what that might be? Maybe its a mistaken name or Cult CLassic...but then again I forgot when that was released. Quick question: How much better was the redone AoF soundwise? I was not around for that set of conversations. I wonder if KBFH accepts fan reccommendations for its live release output... I mean think about it -- theyve done Renaissance, 10 cc, Triumph. Surely BOC has more pull marketwise than them. The smart thing for them to do (Do they have a web page?) is post all the bands they haves shows of and offer people to vote on the artists periodically. (Imagine the server frying when all of BOCL swamps it with BOC/Hawkwind--(did they ever do a KBFH? I doubt it)). I'd kill for the Fillmore poster that had SWU on it, Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Nov 11 11:50:20 1998 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (denizen of chaos) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:50:20 -0600 Subject: OFF: unknown Ozrics CD In-Reply-To: <3649480E.F759BDC0@TransWestTaxi.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Nov 1998, Cliff and Pam Wheaton wrote: :Subject: Re: OFF: unknown Ozrics CD :> :> :> It isn't bad, but not fantastic. ...and it is a live album, albeit a bit :> of a weird one. : :Haven't you just described 90% of the Ozrics albums? Most are awesome, tho! I :say that only 'cause I haven't heard them all yet!:) Pam, well, are the cds in the vitamin box live? strangeitude, arborescence, become the other, and children of the corn are all studio releases (i think....don't have them here in front of me, so am not certain.....). Ozrics are sort of interesting. (I was introduced to them by a friend who said "they sound just like hawkwind instrumentals...."). What do you think of their offshoot, _Eat Static_? Arin ---hellhound shelter--------------------------------------------------- the denizen of chaos | denizen at pobox.com aka Arin Komins | http://www.pobox.com/~denizen/ ------------------------------------------------searching for satori--- From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Nov 11 11:53:58 1998 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (denizen of chaos) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:53:58 -0600 Subject: OFF: Haldeman In-Reply-To: <199811110500.AAA00162@in.flite.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Nov 1998, Andrew A. Apold wrote: :Subject: Re: OFF: Vampires : :>Michael Karschner wrote: :>> Steakley wrote a science-fiction novel called "Armor" that was really good, :>> too. (Soldiers in powered-armor suits, but different from Heinlein's.) :> :>So did Joe Haldeman: The Forever War. Written while Viet Nam :>was happening, so you can guess what his attitude was like... : :Anyone check out his recent follow-up? "Forever Peace"? : Not yet, but I've got to acquire it and read it shortly (Haldeman is going to be in town (chicago) this weekend for windycon, and i want to sound vaguely intelligent when sitting in on his panels. Was it good? I heard it wasn't a direct sequel to _Forever War_, but was associational..... Arin ---hellhound shelter--------------------------------------------------- the denizen of chaos | denizen at pobox.com aka Arin Komins | http://www.pobox.com/~denizen/ ------------------------------------------------searching for satori--- From akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Wed Nov 11 12:05:21 1998 From: akomins at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (denizen of chaos) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:05:21 -0600 Subject: HW:Lord of the Hornets In-Reply-To: <199811102333.SAA01794@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Nov 1998, Keith Henderson wrote: :Subject: Re: HW:Lord of the Hornets : :Arin said... : :>(I'm very much a fan of Moorcock's multiverse stuff.) :> :>On random Moorcock notes, did his band, Deep Fix, ever end up recording :>_The Entropy Tango_? : :Well, a few demos were made, but the entire multi-media project never got :completely off the ground. However, unless my brain has gone completely :haywire, the demos (along with commentary by Brian Tawn) were made available :as part of the Hawkfan 12 LP (or cassette). And of course, that material :(at least the music recordings) are to be on the soon-to-be-released 'Elf & :Hawk' CD. I believe there were two tracks, perhaps three? 'Brothel in :Rosenstrasse' and the title track were the two, I think. when is "elf & hawk" due to be released? (quick pause for the "i'm-sorry-if-this-has-been-covered-before-since-i-joined-the-list-relatively-recently" apology ;) ) :>On other random notes, did the sequel to _Time of the Hawklords_ ever :>come out in novel form? (_The Queens of Deleria_, written entirely by :>Butterworth) : :Yes...I've got one in fact. Would I be able to trouble you for publisher, date of publication, and isbn number on that? :>(...and was there a third book as well?) : :Yes...Ledge of Darkness. But it was never published/released as a book, but :was made available as part of a Griffin box set package. Can't remember :off-hand which CD it was released with. I'm pretty sure I've got it, but :never read the thing since people pretty much have panned Buttorworth's :writing. I guess I should pull it out soon, though, if this 'Death :Generator' tour gets going. I think i've got this. was it in the _quark, strangeness, & charm_ box set? (or the _25 years on_?) ...and what this "death generator" tour? (see obligatory apology above ;) ) Arin ---hellhound shelter--------------------------------------------------- the denizen of chaos | denizen at pobox.com aka Arin Komins | http://www.pobox.com/~denizen/ ------------------------------------------------searching for satori--- From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Wed Nov 11 12:09:52 1998 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:09:52 -0600 Subject: AW: Bernhard Message-ID: > Have a look at Frank Weil's great site and you will find what you're looking > for. > If not, contact me again please. > > > http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void.html/gigs/setlist.html > http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void.html/gigs/lineup.html > http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void.html/gigs/ > > > Bernhard My list is up to date up through 1997. I plan to update it with this year's gigs when I get back from vacation in December. On the same note, I have noticed that some of my set lists don't seem to agree with some of the information I have seen posted, and some of the concerts listed don't agree with Rob Godwin's in the Hawkwind collector's book. I will try to figure out a way to come up with the definitive lists for reference. I'll be unsubscribing temporarily from boc-l since I will be in Australia on vacation from now until the beginning of December. I'm not sure that my mail spool can handle the huge amount of unread mail I might have if I stay subscribed while I am gone. If anyone wants to send me something about the Golden Void site, you can send it to frankw at comm.mot.com (my work address, different than the one listed on my site). Frank ObNotLookingForwardToIt: the fights from Chicago to Sidney and back. --- Stop the violins. Visualize whirled peas! ============================================================ Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Wed Nov 11 12:19:37 1998 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:19:37 -0600 Subject: Moorkwind Message-ID: > On the subject of Moorcock and Hawkwind. > It was certainly thus, with me... > > MM ---> Hawkwind ---> BOC For me it was MM, then Hawkwind, with BOC independently. > While I'm at it, do people think it worthwhile packaging both CDs together, > or as two separate releases? Also, I asked before whether people would be > interested and some people voiced interest, and I still have record of the > people who did. But, I'd like to know what sort of interest there is out > there for this sort of thing. I am definitely interested. I am tempted to vote for both CDs together, just because I would buy both anyway. However, they are different enough that I would be hard pressed to think of them as a double CD. From that perspective, I would vote for two separate releases. Maybe there could be a discount, though, if both were bought together? (hint hint :-) Frank --- I used to work in a fire hydrant factory. You couldn't park anywhere near the place. -- Steven Wright ============================================================ Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Nov 11 12:29:16 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 12:29:16 -0500 Subject: OFF: unknown Ozrics CD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Nov 1998, denizen of chaos wrote: => well, are the cds in the vitamin box live? strangeitude, arborescence, At least one of them is (_Live Ethereal Cereal_). I don't have my box set in front of me, so I can't check further. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Nov 11 12:20:41 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 17:20:41 +0000 Subject: HW:Lord of the Hornets Message-ID: The boot of Moorcock material I have goes; Another quiet day in Auschwitz Starcruiser Dodgem dude Brothel in Rosenstrasse Good girl..bad girl Time centre My new knife Peter the vukture Intro mental Harlequin Z Allan T Grohe Jr wrote: > On Tue, 10 Nov 1998, Keith Henderson wrote: > > > >Arin said... > > >On random Moorcock notes, did his band, Deep Fix, ever end up recording > > >_The Entropy Tango_? > > > > Well, a few demos were made, but the entire multi-media project never got > > completely off the ground. However, unless my brain has gone completely > > haywire, the demos (along with commentary by Brian Tawn) were made available > > as part of the Hawkfan 12 LP (or cassette). > > By far, most of that material has not seen print, so far as I know. > Perhaps Dave Cohen and/or John Davey can correct me here? > > As I understand it, I believe that the material listed below is most > (though probably not all) of the Entropy Tango and Gloriana material: > > == > Michael Moorcock and the Deep Fix: Concerts and Rehearsals: the > Bootleg: Half Alive from '73-'80 (Made for the Nomads of the Time > Streams, Sept. '90) (tape 46) > > dodgem dude, starcruiser, brothel in rossenstrasse, running through > the backbrain, coded languages, good girl bad girl, at the time centre, > john dee's song*, the entropy tango+,harlequin's birthplace*, quire's > song*, ingleborough*, gloriana*, montfalcon*, lost in the megaflow+, > lastly it's the bellyflops^ > > + = from _the entropy tango_ > * = all first rehearsal takes from _gloriana_ > ^ = 1966 demo > > a great rarity, made by MM himself for those few of us Nomads who came > to Atlanta's _Georgia Fantasy Con" in '90 to see him.... > ----- > > Moorcock Miscellany (tape 45) > > Cirith Ungol: one foot in hell, chaos descends, nadsokor > Michal Moorcock's _The Brothel in Rossesnstrasse_: brothel in > rossenstrasse, good girl bad girl, at the time centre, another > quiet day in auschwitz and turn the tape over (cassette b side by > pavli/shaw) > > Basically, this is a compilation of misc. stuff, just like the above MM > tape, > but it wasn't made by MM.... :) > ==== > > For more info on MM, check out the fledgling website www.multiverse.org, > which is now the official home to the Nomads of the Time Streams. > > > And of course, that material > > (at least the music recordings) are to be on the soon-to-be-released 'Elf & > > Hawk' CD. I believe there were two tracks, perhaps three? 'Brothel in > > Rosenstrasse' and the title track were the two, I think. > > I don't believe I'd heard that, actually: might have hopped on the limited > pressing awhile ago... > > Allan. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. > iscladoc at idir.net RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. > > Visit the Dreaming City: http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr > > "When you're hiding 29 you know it ain't a crime > to burn a little brighter now"--Marillion, "Torch Song" From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Nov 11 12:23:01 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 17:23:01 +0000 Subject: Born To Go video in Edinburgh Message-ID: Well, squeezing a party into my boxroom might prove difficult, but if someone has a venue...:-) Rich Lockwood wrote: > > >> >> >> > Well I can't copy it, but I have got a UK copy and I live in >> Edinburgh. >> > Assuming you do likewise (looking at the holyrood.ed.ac.uk e-mail >> address), >> > I could be persuaded to lend it out. >> >> ObBill&Ted: Totally Excellent Dude! >> >> I have two VCRs so I could get copies run up for folks in the UK >> who're >> looking for 'em if they reimburse my postage costs and it's OK with >> Marc? > > Why not just whack it into the vid and have a wild party round your > house for all those who live in Edinburgh? > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > ObHMHBref: "Henry Rollins, Henry Rollins, you're hard, you're hard. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Nov 11 12:37:37 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 17:37:37 +0000 Subject: Moorkwind Message-ID: And thus it went; 1977 - started reading Moorcock because "the covers are cool". 1979 - bought first Motorhead record and went to first MH gig, after which someone said "did you know that Lemmy used to be in HW?" 1979 - saw HW for the first time 1981 - going to the Monsters of Rock and embarked on a tape trade which resulted in a C90 of BOC, complete with MM writing credits The die was cast. So MM - MH - HW - BOC Z Max Wilcox wrote: > On the subject of Moorcock and Hawkwind. > It was certainly thus, with me... > > MM ---> Hawkwind ---> BOC > > With regards to the Brothel in Rossenstrasse stuff. Allan described what is > already out but I will re-mention what I've mentioned in passing before > here, as I think it is pertinent. > Some time in the first quarter of next year there will be a double CD > released containing lots of MM stuff. > The first CD will contain all of Michael's demos. That is the stuff > recorded for Gloriana; The Entropy Tango and some other rarities. Also > perhaps the whole Finally It's the Bellyflops recording. There are some > better recordings than those that were released on the "Concerts & > Rehearsals" tape - and some time soon, new mixes will be made. > The second CD will contain Michael reading from various books of his. > Including "The Dancers at the End of Time"; "Byzantium Endures" and probably > his new book "King of the City". And NO Elric! Maybe. > It is still in the planning stages, as Michael is busy writing at present > (surprise surprise), but the project is moving onwards... > While I'm at it, do people think it worthwhile packaging both CDs together, > or as two separate releases? Also, I asked before whether people would be > interested and some people voiced interest, and I still have record of the > people who did. But, I'd like to know what sort of interest there is out > there for this sort of thing. > > - Max Wilcox From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Wed Nov 11 13:26:12 1998 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:26:12 -0700 Subject: OFF: unknown Ozrics CD Message-ID: denizen of chaos wrote: > > : > :Haven't you just described 90% of the Ozrics albums? Most are awesome, tho! I > :say that only 'cause I haven't heard them all yet!:) > > Pam, > > well, are the cds in the vitamin box live? strangeitude, arborescence, > become the other, and children of the corn are all studio releases (i > think....don't have them here in front of me, so am not certain.....). As far as I know, there's only one in the Vitamin box that is live:) The rest (as far as I know) are studio. But weird is a given!!! I love these guys. I'm only lacking the early ones, with the exception of Live Underslunky (I love this title) and Become the other. Curious Corn is awesome:) I seem to be listening to Pungent Efflugent alot, too!!! P > > > Ozrics are sort of interesting. (I was introduced to them by a friend who > said "they sound just like hawkwind instrumentals...."). What do you > think of their offshoot, _Eat Static_? Haven't heard enough to judge:) A friend is 'sposed to make me a copy of some so I can preview them:) What little I've heard sounds like Ozric, so I think I'll like them:) :) Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Max Wilcox schrieb: > While I'm at it, do people think it worthwhile packaging both CDs > together, > or as two separate releases? Also, I asked before whether people would be > interested and some people voiced interest, and I still have record of the > people who did. But, I'd like to know what sort of interest there is out > there for this sort of thing. > > - Max Wilcox I would definitely buy both CD?s, so it would be better to make it a double, because it?s cheaper! Andreas From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 11 14:16:41 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:16:41 GMT Subject: Power suit Armour In-Reply-To: denizen of chaos's message of Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:21:10 -0600 Message-ID: denizen of chaos writes: > On Wed, 11 Nov 1998, Marc Power wrote: > > :Subject: Power suit Armour > :> > : > :And here's the link that brings us neatly on topic, by being > :at least obliquely Hawkwind related.... > : > :Mick Farren, ertswhile Deviant, Motorhead lyricist, Rock N' Roll, > :Notting Hill crew hanger-on, Journo hack and esteemed SF/Fantasy > :author penned a book called 'Their masters War' featuring shiny > :black semi-sentient and latex-like alien power suits for the troops, > :that also doubled as masturbatory devices (don't ask!). > : > :Its worth checking out, as are many of his books. I particularly like > :'The quest of the DNA cowboys' which is a trilogy, I have forgotten > :the names of the other two books in the series. Anyone? > : > > Four of them, actually ;) > > THE QUEST OF THE DNA COWBOYS > THE SYNAPTIC MANHUNT > THE NEURAL ATTROCITY > THE LAST STAND OF THE DNA COWBOYS > I'm sure he's also the guy who wrote the book entitled "Text of Festival" I've got it somewhere around. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Nov 11 15:42:12 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:42:12 +0000 Subject: Power suit Armour Message-ID: Indeed he was, because if I crane my neck at an uncomfortable angle, and peer at the top shelf I can see it from here. Z J Strobridge wrote: > > > I'm sure he's also the guy who wrote the book entitled "Text of > Festival" I've got it somewhere around. > > jill > > =========================================================================== > J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Zeitgeist - Reflections Of the Underground PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Nov 11 17:28:42 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:28:42 -0800 Subject: OFF: Silver Apples Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:02:02 -0500, John McIntyre queried: >>Silver Apples [New York], who took their name from a work by experiemtal >>composer Morton Subotnick ("Silver Apples of the Moon") > >Doug, as you know people close to the band, perhaps you can offer a >definitive answer to this question. Was the name of the band *really* >taken from Subotnick's title or from Subotnick's source, William Butler >Yeat's poem "Song Of Wandering Angus": "And pluck till time and times >are done/The silver apples of the moon, the golden apples of the sun"? Good question ... I've seen interviews where Simeon mentions Subotnick, Stockhausen, etc. as influences, so I always assumed that the name did come from ole Mort, but I couldn't state this with 100% certainty. It could even be that the name was picked because of both sources ... I once named a band after a Stockhausen composition, not because the band sounded the least bit like an avant-garde work, but because the philosophies were (vaguely) similar, and the German word was an appropriate description of the band's sound ... But sorry I don't have the DEFINITIVE answer. BTW the latest word on Simeon is that he is alert and stable in the hospital, even able to make slight movements with parts of his body, which is certainly good news. The bad news is that (like most musicians) he had no insurance, so watch for a benefit concert near you, and please attend if there is one! -Doug ceres at sirius.com From wandering-star at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Nov 11 17:50:58 1998 From: wandering-star at GEOCITIES.COM (wandering-star) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 22:50:58 +0000 Subject: OFF: unknown Ozrics CD Message-ID: I have my copy in front of me ;-) Can anyone remember how many there were in the ltd edition(before kellogs sued). Live Ethereal Cereal is the only live one, I think one of the others was a mixture of live/studio. Rich. God I haven't listened to this in like 3 years or more.. From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Nov 11 17:59:13 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 16:59:13 -0600 Subject: OFF: Bad Metallica Cover Message-ID: >I think Metallica had guts to cover Turn the Page, although I always thought they could do a good job with an Eric-sung BOC tune.... Imagine Kings X covering "Reminiscing" by Little River Band ;-) Turn the Page isn't a good fit for Metallica, but it's only a stop-gap album (their 2nd in a row) until their next studio effort, so I don't take it too seriously. Now, Crash Course in Brain Surgery...that was a cover that Metallica could get their arms around! Hmmm would agree that it took guts for them to stray this far I just wished it was a song I never liked to begin with. Something about the original that would bring a tear to my eye when I listened to it in the old days. I'd like to hear them try a little Dr. Butcher, maybe The Altar. > PS: As AB mentioned, today is Joe Bouchard's 50th birthday. I'm gonna go > home, strap on the bass, and play along to "Hot Rails to Hell" in his honor. >I don't mean to be a credit-hog or anything, but I mentioned it!!!-- Nick Ya its true, I just added Happy B'day after seeing Nick's research. L8er Ghost in the Ruins From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Wed Nov 11 18:27:09 1998 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 18:27:09 EST Subject: Moorcock/Hawkwind Message-ID: In a message dated 11/10/98 3:46:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, wandering- star at GEOCITIES.COM writes: > Now I started reading Moorcock(not Chron of the Black sword though), and > 6 months later started listening to Hawkwind > in the form of a tape of Live Chronicles. Now I had no > tracklisting/sleevenotes so didn't know it was related to Moorcock. > I've talked to a few hawkwind/moorcock fans who did the same thing, > though not necessarily in the same order ;-) > > Eerie. There must be a Psychic link.. > > Rich ;-) > thats how i got into Hawkwind back in the 70's i was gulping up as many Moorcock books as i could at the time and found out about this band that he was in..... it's been great being a moorcock/Hawkwind fan since bob http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Wed Nov 11 18:51:51 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 17:51:51 -0600 Subject: OFF: frrrrrrrrrrripp! and stuff Message-ID: J. Scruton wrote: > At 02:29 PM 11/11/98 GMT, you wrote: > > >Is Toyah Wilcox still Fripp's wife? Or someone else is now? > > Toyah Wilcox is still Fripp's wife. > > Random fun filled comments: > > Listening to King Crimson's Nightwatch CD, I find I'm disappointed by it as > a whole. However, it does give a good place for Wetton's bass playing and > D.Cross to shine. One week to go till soundscaping.woohoo! Ought to be > interesting, having never seen Fripp in any form previously. > > I wonder how the King Biscuit BOC CD is doing... wasnt it supposed to be > out sometime around the Gold AoF ? Yeah, BOC needs its own version of 1999 > Party or Space Ritual-- a 2 CD lavish blowout of coolnes and sinister > imagery. Could be the first set of discs packaged in black leather > emblazoned with a blood red "Cronos" logo. hehehehe > To my knowledge the BOC King Biscuit is slated for sometime in the beginning of next year, so I guess it's still going to be released, I think it will probably be only one CD though, it's supposed to be a recording from '86 in Santa Monica California, the one with "Wings of Mercury" on it. What they really need is a Live album from this year, something with a bit of the HF material. > If the revamping of the first 2 BOC CDs is actually going to be done, I > hope that the liner notes are copious with good stuff (couresy Bolle's > vaults or Bucks maybe? like the Who remastered version of "Live at Leeds" > yet another live LP thats good, but sounds too spread apart drumwise. > I think they will be, Mobile Fidelity did a great job with Agents of Fortune, and from the other Gold albums I have seen from other groups, it seems that they do really good work. > I can't beleive they left out that COOL photo of the band in the liner to T&M. > That photo defines the visual imagery of the band moreso than any other I > think. Look at that puppy, they're all wearing black (sans Buck) They were > America's version of sinister... not to mention how surly A.Lanier looks. > Ya know, I don't have, nor have ever seen, the LP for T&M. And I can't recall seeing that picture, is it pasted somewhere? Do you have it on file, would you be able to send it to me? > The verdict: OYFoOYK is the best live release availible. Yay impartial > judgement. THAT should be redone-- put the full color inner photo of the > band and that book on the back where it belongs. I wonder where that tome > went to? > (Space Ritual could be tied for first place, granted I havent heard it yet) > Columbia did really sloppy work transferring there albums to CD's, not only was the art work neglected, but in some cases the audio quality suffered as well. What they did for the back of the OYFoOYK, was unforgivable garbage. Though there is a picture in the Mirrors LP, of the band clad in leather holding flashlights, that of coarse never made it onto disk, but I never really liked that picture any ways. OYFoOYK should definitely be remastered and repackaged, I have heard a lot of people, not necessarily Cultophiles either, refer to that album as one of the definitive live albums of all time. > Other really odd noting: I was looking at a webpage (forgot the address) > titled "Whiplash! Blue Oyster Cult" that was in Spanish, but at the end the > discography lists the "on the ground or in my mouth" (Whatever that title > is for the EP) and Live (1994) anyone know what that might be? Maybe its > a mistaken name or Cult CLassic...but then again I forgot when that was > released. > That's odd, there's no live show from '94 on disk, though Cult Classic was released in '94 but it wasn't a live album. I never heard anything about that, sure you can't remember the URL ;-). The EP your referring to was "In My Mouth Or On The Ground", I guess it was also available in blue vinyl. > Quick question: How much better was the redone AoF soundwise? I was not > around for that set of conversations. > Quick answer: A bit ;-). The dynamics are definitely better, I don't know much about why sound quality is better on Gold discs than standard ones, I do know they cost more ;-). If you listen to Agents quite a bit, it's definitely worth buying though. > I wonder if KBFH accepts fan reccommendations for its live release > output... I mean think about it -- theyve done Renaissance, 10 cc, Triumph. > Surely BOC has more pull marketwise than them. The smart thing for them > to do (Do they have a web page?) is post all the bands they haves shows of > and offer people to vote on the artists periodically. (Imagine the server > frying when all of BOCL swamps it with BOC/Hawkwind--(did they ever do a > KBFH? I doubt it)). > > I'd kill for the Fillmore poster that had SWU on it, > > Jason > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." > -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ For Web Addresses, here's the KBFH site, and the Mobile Fidelity Site. http://www.king-biscuit.com/ http://www.mofi.com/ Laj. From john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM Wed Nov 11 19:11:43 1998 From: john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM (john.m.gray) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 16:11:43 -0800 Subject: BORN to GO - Free video offer Message-ID: Marc, I very much would like a copy of the video of Born To Go. Also if you have any cassettes available I would like a copy, and please throw in info on CD's, how much and where I can send payment. Thanks, John Gray P.O. Box 3952 Silverdale, WA 98383-3952 -----Original Message----- From: Marc Power To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 8:26 AM Subject: OFF: BORN to GO - Free video offer >Hi SpaceRockerz, > >Thanks for the kind comments of people on the list about > >I am still happy to continue my offer of a free VHS video >to anyone, anywhere on the planet who wants a copy, of >SpaceRock band BORN to GO, live at the Lion's Den, NYC. > >It's NTSC VHS, but several people in Europe have had no >trouble viewing it on newer multi-mode equipment. > >I was originally offering a two hour tape, with other >performances filling it. Since I have been copying these >videos in real-time, with only two VCRs to record with, >and requests have now topped three figures, I am now only >copying the Lion's Den performance, unless otherwise >specifically requested. > >According to the consensus of feedback I have received, >I quote, "It Rocks!". > >Just email me with your snailmail address and be prepared to >wait a couple of weeks. > >In Space we trust, > >Marc. From john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM Wed Nov 11 19:37:33 1998 From: john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM (john.m.gray) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 16:37:33 -0800 Subject: Video Message-ID: ARGGGGHHH! I sent that message to Marc to the list, sorry guys. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Nov 11 23:22:22 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 23:22:22 -0500 Subject: OFF: frrrrrrrrrrripp! and stuff In-Reply-To: <364A2317.54AC047B@dlcwest.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Nov 1998, Laj Waldner wrote: => To my knowledge the BOC King Biscuit is slated for sometime in the beginning of => next year, so I guess it's still going to be released, I think it will probably be => only one CD though, it's supposed to be a recording from '86 in Santa Monica => California, the one with "Wings of Mercury" on it. What they really need is a Live => album from this year, something with a bit of the HF material. But, I presume, KBFH releases just KBFH material, so it is unlikely that they'd release a '98 gig. => I think they will be, Mobile Fidelity did a great job with Agents of Fortune, and => from the other Gold albums I have seen from other groups, it seems that they do => really good work. Yes, they do. If nothing else, those lift-lock CD cases are to die for! :-) => > Quick question: How much better was the redone AoF soundwise? I was not => > around for that set of conversations. => => Quick answer: A bit ;-). => => The dynamics are definitely better, I don't know much about why sound quality is => better on Gold discs than standard ones, I do know they cost more ;-). If you => listen to Agents quite a bit, it's definitely worth buying though. Although, for pragmatic reasons, the "gold discs sound better" is essentially bogus, the actual reason MoFi releases sound better is painfully simple: they take due care with remastering their releases! This means, amongst other things, that they seek out original master tapes (not Nth generation safety masters), don't reprocess the shit out of it, etc. The result is a great transfer, with an eye on sound quality at all times. They press using a gold substrate to justify the higher release cost, I reckon, i.e., to make Joe Public thing he's getting something tangible for his extra bucks. (Which, in fact, he is: better sound quality!) => For Web Addresses, here's the KBFH site, and the Mobile Fidelity Site. => => http://www.king-biscuit.com/ => => http://www.mofi.com/ And don't forget DCC Compact Classics (http://www.DCCcompact.com/), who may be even more A.R. than MoFi when it comes to high-quality remastering! Their _Aqualung_ ist sehr gut. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Shakti, _Shakti, with John McLaughlin_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From mordru at FLITE.NET Wed Nov 11 23:38:33 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 23:38:33 -0500 Subject: OFF: Haldeman Message-ID: >:Anyone check out his recent follow-up? "Forever Peace"? >: >Was it good? I heard it wasn't a direct sequel to _Forever War_, but was >associational..... Correct. Thematically, a.. well, not sequel, but, response, I suppose. Not flawless, but definitely has merit, and definitely worth checking out. ============================= "All praise, he's found the awful truth, Balthazar... He's found the saucer news!" - E.T.I. by Blue ?yster Cult -AAA From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Thu Nov 12 01:39:59 1998 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 00:39:59 -0600 Subject: OFF: My Monster Magnet experience Message-ID: Hey there! Thought you 30-something list members might get a chuckle out of my whole Monster Magnet concert experience . . . http://www.execpc.com/~kkusic/tooold.html Karen -- PERCEPTION You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are. - Herb Cohen From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Thu Nov 12 02:46:42 1998 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 00:46:42 -0700 Subject: OFF: unknown Ozrics CD Message-ID: wandering-star wrote: > I have my copy in front of me ;-) Can anyone remember how many there > were in the ltd edition(before kellogs sued). > > Live Ethereal Cereal is the only live one, I think one of the others was > a mixture of live/studio. > > Rich. God I haven't listened to this in like 3 years or more.. Could I maybe get ya to tape me a copy?? I'll send tape+pstg:) Please...I can't seem to get that one here!! Gonna hafta look at Syn-phonics, after the holidaze, of course:) Of course, someone snagged the only copy I've seen here, and of course, it was just as I got the $$$ up for it:( I'd really like to find a cd copy of it. Are the early ones being re-mastered as well? I sure hope so. Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: In article , Goran Janicijevic writes >JB>Mrs. Fripp is starring as "Aladdin" in the X-Mas panto at Richmond >JB>Theatre this holiday season. > > >Is Toyah Wilcox still Fripp's wife? Or someone else is now? > No, it's still Toyah, although why she's doing panto is a mythtery. -- Jon From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Nov 12 00:01:47 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 05:01:47 +0000 Subject: BOC: More B-day Message-ID: I guess my new calling is announcing birthdays. Today (Thurs.) is Buck's. He's 51. -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Nov 12 00:01:47 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 05:01:47 +0000 Subject: OFF: Metallica/Vampires Message-ID: > Can't agree with you more, one of the better Vampire movies, right up there with > Near Dark, The Lost Boys, and Fright Night in my opinion, Near Dark probably > being my favorite. Escape From L.A. was the only Carpenter movie I really never > liked, but one of my favorites from him would have to be "They Live", I just > love that movie. > > Laj. 'They Live', 'The Thing' and 'Hallowee' have always been my favorite Carpenter films. Now I can add 'Vampires' to the list. -- Nick From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Thu Nov 12 05:57:04 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:57:04 +0000 Subject: HW:Lord of the Hornets In-Reply-To: <3649C767.DB844CDF@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: I have a few autographed Moorcock singles/albums/cds etc, if anybody is interested, including the 7" Dodgum Dude/Starcruiser. Cheers for now, Guy guy.thomas at entoil.co.uk From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 12 08:27:34 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 13:27:34 GMT Subject: AW: Bernhard In-Reply-To: Pospiech, Bernhard's message of Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:59:01 +0100 Message-ID: Pospiech, Bernhard writes: > Hello Mike > > > Have a look at Frank Weil's great site and you will find what you're looking > for. > If not, contact me again please. > > > http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void.html/gigs/setlist.html > http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void.html/gigs/lineup.html > http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void.html/gigs/ I can't seem to get a connection to this (prolly because we're charged for transatlantic access unless we use the JANET freecache and it's not in there). Could some kind person mail me the setlists and lineups from April 96 onwards? Cheers FoFP From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 12 08:28:52 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 13:28:52 GMT Subject: HW:Lord of the Hornets In-Reply-To: Eric Siegerman's message of Tue, 10 Nov 1998 17:50:26 -0500 Message-ID: Eric Siegerman writes: > Andreas Stuewe wrote: > > > > I also recall that in > > some other Moorcock book there's a scene about the Mountain Grill in Portobello > > Road, also with some Hawklords appearing. Does anyone know about this? Or did I > > dream it? There's the Entropy Tango where Jerry Cornelius (I think) walks into the Mountain Grill and various folk are listed sitting at tables - a wierd mixture of Hawkwind band members and (other) famous names from history. Slightly different from everyone else I came to Hawkwind while still at school and much later read the Cornelius books without realising there was a Hawkwind link. I didn't read much of Elric 'cos that was sword and sorcery and I wasn't minded that way tho' since discovering the Hawkwind link I've read a few more. They're ok... 8-) My favourite book (one of them) is still The Ice Schooner. Fabulous landscape - nice characterisation. Memo: must read it again! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Thu Nov 12 08:48:09 1998 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (J. Scruton) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:48:09 -0500 Subject: OFF: "New" Trower material Message-ID: Back when Robin Trower was with Procol Harum (after the organist Matthew Fisher left), the band recorded a session of R n B covers from they days old old when Trower/Brooker/Wilson/Copping used to be in the band the Paramounts. This material has recently been cleaned up by the original producer Chris Thomas and Gary Brooker for CD release. For more info, check out http://www.procolharum.com/whatsnew.htm Sounds interesting. Jason ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Nov 12 09:06:29 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:06:29 -0500 Subject: OFF: Metallica/Vampires Message-ID: >Can't agree with you more, one of the better Vampire movies, right up there with Near Dark, The Lost Boys, and Fright Night in my opinion I thought The Lost Boys was a pretty cool movie, and I still occassionally listen to the soundtrack (Roger Daltery singing "Don't Let the Sun Go Down on Me" is particularly cool). John From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 12 07:29:18 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 12:29:18 +0000 Subject: Power suit Armour In-Reply-To: <199811111916.TAA25158@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <199811111916.TAA25158 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, J Strobridge writes >I'm sure he's also the guy who wrote the book entitled "Text of >Festival" I've got it somewhere around. > >jill yup, that's him "Ballad Of Phaid The Gambler" was my fave, tho. -- Jon From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Nov 12 09:59:26 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:59:26 -0500 Subject: BOC: Jason's Questions Message-ID: >I wonder how the King Biscuit BOC CD is doing... wasnt it supposed to be out sometime around the Gold AoF ? It was originally suppossed to come out around the fall, and rumor has it that it may come out in 1999. On the otherhand, I once e-mailed KBFH and the person answering my e-mail knew nothing about it. I've posted some of my skepticism about this and no-one has given me a satisfactory answer. I think it is something that BOC and KBFH would LIKE to do, but I suspect there are copyright issues with Sony to be worked out, and no- one wants to take the time/effort to work it out (this is my suspicion/ opinion only!). Hopefully, we'll here more about this in a few months. Also, the intent was that this was going to be a compilation of all the BOC KBFH shows, NOT just the '86 broadcast - I think the reason that came up was because of the anticipation of having "Wings of Mercury" on this disc, and that song came from the '86 broadcast. >Yeah, BOC needs its own version of 1999 Party or Space Ritual-- a 2 CD lavish blowout of coolnes and sinister imagery. Could be the first set of discs packaged in black leather emblazoned with a blood red "Cronos" logo. hehehehe I've spent some time thinking about a BOC "Box Set", and what I would want in it -- it would be at least 10 CDs long. :-) I like the black leather casing idea though - my original thought was some sort of locking metal box with the Chronos logo as the latch somehow (like, you turn the logo to open the box). >If the revamping of the first 2 BOC CDs is actually going to be done, I hope that the liner notes are copious with good stuff (couresy Bolle's vaults or Bucks maybe? The Gold AoF included all the LP liner notes stuff, plus new notes from Buck himself. So, I'd be optimistic about the first 2 CDs (I wonder if they are doing the first 2 as a single CD containing both albums? Would a single CD hold all the songs?). >The verdict: OYFoOYK is the best live release availible. I think you may get a lot of agreement about that. A very special live album indeed. >but at the end the discography lists the "on the ground or in my mouth" Should have been "In my mouth or on the ground" - this is a bootleg release (on either blue or black 10" vinyl) of the 4-song "BOC Bootleg" EP that Columbia released in '72. >(Whatever that title is for the EP) and Live (1994) anyone know what that might be? Maybe its a mistaken name or Cult CLassic...but then again I forgot when that was released. Cult Classic was released in 1994. Never heard of a "Live 1994" release - perhaps they got it confused with "Live 1976". Also, an import CD release of "The BOC Bootleg" is entitled - "Live in New York, '72". Maybe it's that? >Quick question: How much better was the redone AoF soundwise? I was not around for that set of conversations. A bit. AoF sonically isn't bad to begin with. I'm sure audiophiles will like the gold version much better. I can notice more depth in the gold version, but I also like the fact that it has the restored liner notes plus notes from Buck. John From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Nov 12 10:30:04 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (The Automind) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 07:30:04 PST Subject: HW:Lord of the Hornets Message-ID: >> I also recall that in >> some other Moorcock book there's a scene about the Mountain Grill in Portobello >> Road, also with some Hawklords appearing. Does anyone know about this? Or did I >> dream it? > >Well, a good part of Time of the Hawklords takes place in and >around the Mountain Grill -- it has the band living (squatting?) >upstairs or next door or something. But then, that's not really >Moorcock. Did any of *his* books mention the MG? > >Besides that, somewhere in the Cornelius Chronicles, Jerry has a >huge party that goes on for several days, and there's a long >tedious list of people who show up. Tedious, that is, until you >get to where HW are mentioned :-) Maybe they even played; I >can't recall. > >There's also a scene in the same series with Jerry sitting on >the bank of the Thames, surveying the general destruction that >was once London, listening to Hawkwind on his Walkman (written >years before such things existed, of course). Can anyone think where I could get Jerry Cornelius books? Aside from the library which has about 4 of them, I simply haven't seen them anywhere. It's aggravating because I prefer them to his sword&sorcery material, and that's all that ever seems to be available. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Nov 12 10:33:34 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (The Automind) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 07:33:34 PST Subject: OFF: Metallica/Vampires Message-ID: >Can't agree with you more, one of the better Vampire movies, right up there with >Near Dark, The Lost Boys, and Fright Night in my opinion, Near Dark probably >being my favorite. Escape From L.A. was the only Carpenter movie I really never >liked, but one of my favorites from him would have to be "They Live", I just >love that movie. > >Laj. DARK STAR!!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Nov 12 11:01:05 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 00:01:05 +0800 Subject: HW:Lord of the Hornets In-Reply-To: <199811121328.NAA27301@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi all > Slightly different from everyone else I came to Hawkwind while still at > school and much later read the Cornelius books without realising there > was a Hawkwind link. I didn't read much of Elric 'cos that was sword > and sorcery and I wasn't minded that way tho' since discovering the > Hawkwind link I've read a few more. They're ok... 8-) > Same with me. I first heard Hawkwind when I heard on the radio the opening tracks to the BBC recordings, the one that begins with Countdown, and released on Space Rock From London, etc.. When I began reading Moorcock it was (I thought! More on that below) around the same time, but I didn't discover the link until I bought Warrior On The Edge Of Time & Space Ritual (both on the same day). > My favourite book (one of them) is still The Ice Schooner. Fabulous > landscape - nice characterisation. > That's mine as well, followed very closely by Warlord Of The Air. > Memo: must read it again! > I intend reading them both again soon. Anyway, what I referred to earlier is that I recently, unbeknown to myself, have been reading Moorcock since I was about 7 or 8. You see, I was brought up on British comics such as Smash, Lion, Tiger, etc., and have discovered that a great deal of those strips were written by none other than Mr. Moorcock. I even read one again recently and can see his style in the story very clearly. William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Nov 12 11:04:50 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 00:04:50 +0800 Subject: HW:Lord of the Hornets In-Reply-To: <19981112153005.26812.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > Can anyone think where I could get Jerry Cornelius books? Aside from the > library which has about 4 of them, I simply haven't seen them anywhere. > It's aggravating because I prefer them to his sword&sorcery material, > and that's all that ever seems to be available. > Many of the stories have been repackaged in new volumes. One particular volume is titled The New Nature Of The Catastrophe, and features a great deal of the stories. William From lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU Thu Nov 12 11:11:40 1998 From: lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU (dave cohen) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 11:11:40 -0500 Subject: HW:Lord of the Hornets [Moorcock] In-Reply-To: <000501be0e56$2d9ea2e0$5e453bcb@xl5> from "William Duffy" at Nov 13, 98 00:04:50 am Message-ID: > > > Can anyone think where I could get Jerry Cornelius books? Aside from the > > library which has about 4 of them, I simply haven't seen them anywhere. > > It's aggravating because I prefer them to his sword&sorcery material, > > and that's all that ever seems to be available. > > > Many of the stories have been repackaged in new volumes. One particular > volume is titled The New Nature Of The Catastrophe, and features a great > deal of the stories. > > William > There was also the Cornelius Calender and Cornelius Quartet which came out a few years ago and reprinted just about all of the JC stories (the Nat. of Cat. features short stories by MM and others...) BTW: going back to MM scripted comic strips -- does anyone know a source for buying those late 50's UK comics?? feel free to post info, or email me directly thanks --dave lapis at pobox.upenn.edu From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Nov 12 11:43:51 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 00:43:51 +0800 Subject: HW:Lord of the Hornets [Moorcock] In-Reply-To: <199811121611.LAA04317@pobox.upenn.edu> Message-ID: > BTW: going back to MM scripted comic strips -- does anyone know > a source for buying those late 50's UK comics?? > I've got some of the ones he did in the early 60's, as well as a few from the 50's. He also wrote stories in some of the annuals as well. I'll put a list together of what I know he wrote stories for, which may help. Off the top of my head, there was Eric The Viking & Zip Nolan. William From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Thu Nov 12 11:33:40 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 16:33:40 +0000 Subject: HW:Lord of the Hornets/Jerry Cornelius In-Reply-To: <19981112153005.26812.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, thought I would drop you a line, as I have most of the Jerry Cornelius books, most of which are un-read (I prefered the Eternal Champion stuff!!) gimme an E-mail, and I'll let you know what I've got spare. Guy Thomas guy.thomas at entoil.co.uk and guy.thomas at cableinet.co.uk (home) From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Thu Nov 12 14:07:49 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 20:07:49 +0100 Subject: AW: Bernhard In-Reply-To: <199811121327.NAA26951@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: >Could some kind person mail me the setlists and lineups from >April 96 onwards? Here it is: (BROCK/CHADWICK/TREE/DAVEY) 14.04.96, LONDON, VH-1, 15 intro / silver machine / love in space / interview 21.06.96, BRIXTON, ACADEMY, 110 intro / psi power / photo encounter / blue skin / steppenwolf / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / sputnik stan / xenomorph / vega / love in space / kapal / aerospaceage inferno / elfin / silver machine / welcome / secret agent / abducted 17.07.96, MARL, SCHACHT 8, 105 abducted / psi power / awakening / photo encounter / blue skin / steppenwolf / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / sputnik stan / xenomorph / vega / love in space / kapal / aerospaceage inferno / elfin / silver machine / welcome / secret agent 18.07.96, BRAUNSCHWEIG, FBZ , 100 abducted / psi power / awakening / photo encounter / blue skin / steppenwolf / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / sputnik stan / xenomorph / vega / love in space / kapal / aerospaceage inferno / elfin / silver machine / welcome (BROCK/CHADWICK/TREE) 18.08.96, CUNLHAT, FESTIVAL, 40 jam / master of the universe / awakening / photo encounter / blue skin / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / angels of death / love in space / aerospaceage inferno (BROCK/CHADWICK/TREE/DAVEY/RICHARDS) 07.09.96, TILBURG, SWEET SMOKE FESTIVAL, 65 abducted / master of the universe / awakening / photo encounter / blue skin / sputnik stan / brainstorm / aerospaceage inferno / iron dream / hassan i sahba 08.09.96, ROTTERDAM, NIGHTTOWN, 85 blue skin / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / sputnik stan / instrumental / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / iron dream / kapal / instrumental / brainstorm / silver machine / welcome 09.11.96, ATHEN, RODON CLUB, 90 assault & battery / golden void / awakening / photo encounter / blue skin / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / sputnik stan / needle gun / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / uncle sam?s on mars / iron dream / brainstorm / camera that could lie / brainstorm (BROCK/CHADWICK/TREE/RICHARDS/LANGTON) 07.06.97, LONDON, BLACKHEATH, 90 intro / assault & battery / golden void / blue skin / steppenwolf / raptoid vision / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / wastelands / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / wheels / brainstorm / camera that could lie / brainstorm / ejection / needle gun (BROCK/CHADWICK/TREE/RICHARDS/RIZZ) 12.07.97, ESCALARRE, DR. MUSIC FESTIVAL, 70 intro / wheels / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / narration / brainstorm / raptoid vision 24.08.97, CHICAGO, CUBBY BEAR, 95 intro / wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / starflight / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / camera that could lie / brainstorm / alien i am / raptoid vision / ejection / black corridor / ejection (BROCK/CHADWICK/TREE/RICHARDS/TURNER) 31.08.97, SHERMAN, STRANGE DAZE FESTIVAL, 90 intro / kauai / wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / jam / brainstorm / needle gun / ejection / raptoid vision (BROCK/CHADWICK/TREE/RICHARDS) 27.09.97, WHITBY, DRAC FESTIVAL, 85 kauai / dracula poem / wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / unknown / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / jam / brainstorm / raptoid vision (BROCK/CHADWICK/TREE/RICHARDS/CRUM/RIZZ) 11.10.97, KINGS LYNN, CORN EXCHANGE, 90 wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / pleasure phantasy / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / jam / brainstorm / raptoid vision / starflight / ejection / gremlin 19.11.97, AMSTERDAM, MELKWEG, 95 wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / pleasure phantasy / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / jam / brainstorm / raptoid vision / starflight / ejection / gremlin (CHADWICK/RICHARDS/RIZZ/TAYLOR/HAYES) 15.08.98, GARRETTSVILLE, STRANGE DAZE FESTIVAL, 70 electronics / wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / spirit of the age / starfire mountain dreaming / time we left / space is deep / brainstorm Bernhard From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Nov 12 14:45:10 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 19:45:10 +0000 Subject: OFF: Motorhead cover art Message-ID: I've started loading some jpegs onto my web site, and have started with some MH. The first ten have a couple of classics and a load of obscure. So brighten up your desktop by downloading from; http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/bitter/bitterdx.html where the page is listed as Motorhead cover art, or bypass the index page and go straight to; http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/mhead.html Z NP Suicidal Tendencies - The Art Of Rebellion -- Zeitgeist - Reflections Of the Underground PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Nov 12 16:03:17 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 13:03:17 -0800 Subject: BOC: Random thoughts post Message-ID: >Random fun filled comments: Oh I like this kind of posting.... >I wonder how the King Biscuit BOC CD is doing... wasnt it supposed to be out sometime around the Gold AoF ? No one sems to know these days. Supposedly their are plans but no announcements as to when we can expect something. A live album of thier current tour would rock, good strong setlist and the band is playing well. >Yeah, BOC needs its own version of 1999 Party or Space Ritual-- a 2 CD lavish blowout of coolnes and sinister imagery. Could be the first set of discs packaged in black leather emblazoned with a blood red "Cronos" logo. hehehehe Oh that sounds great but I know KBFH won't give us a package anywhere near that. >If the revamping of the first 2 BOC CDs is actually going to be done, I hope that the liner notes are copious with good stuff (couresy Bolle's vaults or Bucks maybe? like the Who remastered version of "Live at Leeds" yet another live LP thats good, but sounds too spread apart drumwise. This move mystifies me somewhat; why not throw Secret Treaties in the mix too. Who cares what it would cost us fans, we'd buy it since it would be the only digital re-mastering available. I know I will buy the T&M not sure on BOC though... >The verdict: OYFoOYK is the best live release availible. Yay impartial judgement. Who cares about being impartial. This one still ranks as my favorite live album ever. I've heard some great ones...and I have some great ones but none of them touch this beast. >THAT should be redone-- put the full color inner photo of the band and that book on the back where it belongs. I wonder where that tome went to? (Space Ritual could be tied for first place, granted I havent heard it yet) Other really odd noting: Re-master, re-release Feet/Knees and the Rock world is conquered. >I wonder if KBFH accepts fan reccommendations for its live release output... I mean think about it -- theyve done Renaissance, 10 cc, Triumph. Surely BOC has more pull marketwise than them. Triumph version rocks like crazy and is much better than their record label release, Stages. I would disagree however that BOC had more market pull than Triumph. BOC served as an opening act to Triumph on quite a few occassions. >The smart thing for them to do (Do they have a web page?) is post all the bands they haves shows of and offer people to vote on the artists periodically. (Imagine the server frying when all of BOCL swamps it with BOC/Hawkwind--(did they ever do aKBFH? I doubt it)). Thats a sound idea. Feel like suggesting it to KBFH? >I'd kill for the Fillmore poster that had SWU on it, I'd kill for a life size Buck Doll that played a guitar. Just Kidding. My own odd thought - I was watching some lame infomercial about this 8cd package of rock from the late 70's thru 1991. They occassionally scrolled thru the songs included, BOC had one entry, Burnin' For You, Triumph got in Magic Power. I saw no Kiss, Aerosmith or Rolling Stones. Biggest contibutors were the Jack Blade/Tommy Shaw creations, 2 to 3 for Night Ranger and 2-3 for Damn Yankees, who had a total of two cd's for their career. (Don't flame me pleaese I love Damn Yankees) Go figure. BTW John Swartz - Vixen is also represented on this 8cd set. Showed one of their 80's videos and ...Oh my gosh I think I'll become one of their fans. Yowza! Jason From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 12 16:03:50 1998 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 21:03:50 +0000 Subject: HW: NME Message-ID: THE NME web site which I think is www.NME.com has a very small piece on banned and censored music. Apparently a CD has just been released of examples which includes Hawkwind's Urban Guerilla - I think it said that there is a proper article in next week's NME. Take Care David From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Thu Nov 12 15:41:00 1998 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 20:41:00 GMT Subject: BOC: OYFOOYK Question In-Reply-To: <199811122106.OAA08236@docws002.shl.com> Message-ID: AR>>The verdict: OYFoOYK is the best live release availible. Yay impartial AR>judgement. AR>Who cares about being impartial. This one still ranks as my favorite live AR>album ever. I've heard some great ones...and I have some great ones but AR>none of them touch this beast. I rank SEE higher than OYFOOYK, but anyway I regard the latter one as excellent. My question about OYFOOYK is: What are those omissions/comissions that Arthur Levy mentioned in his liner notes? I vaguely remember that in the past BOC relinquished this album, but I'm not completely sure about this fact. Simplius --- * OLXWin 1.00b * Useless Invention: Braille Toilet Paper. From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Nov 12 17:20:27 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:20:27 -0500 Subject: BOC: OYFOOYK Question Message-ID: >What are those omissions/comissions that Arthur Levy mentioned in his >liner notes? I vaguely remember that in the past BOC relinquished this >album, but I'm not completely sure about this fact. Arthur Levy says many things. According to him, SEE corrected the "Sins of Ommission" from OYFOOYK. Pretty difficult conclusion to justify,since only two songs of the entire album (ETI and Astronomy) were even out when OYFOOYK came out.... But I guess that's what he's talking about. ============================================ It's the Nexus of the crisis and the Origin of Storms... -"Astronomy" by Blue ?yster Cult -AAA From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Thu Nov 12 18:44:23 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:44:23 EST Subject: BOC: OYFOOYK Question Message-ID: Andrew Apold wrote: > only two songs of the entire [SEE] album (ETI and Astronomy) were even out when OYFOOYK came out Actually only Astronomy was. I agree with your assessment of Levy's notes, though, if that assessment is that he was barking through his ass. -Chris Baker From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Nov 12 20:29:09 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:29:09 -0800 Subject: AW: Bernhard Message-ID: Thanks for the list, Bernhard! Is this really the entire list of Hawkwind gigs from 4/96 through 8/98? There are at least two shows from the '97 US tour missing (see below). Just curious ... On Thu, 12 Nov 1998 20:07:49 +0100, Bernhard Pospiech wrote (track listings deleted in the interest of brevity): >>Could some kind person mail me the setlists and lineups from >>April 96 onwards? > >Here it is: > >(BROCK/CHADWICK/TREE/DAVEY) >14.04.96, LONDON, VH-1, 15 >21.06.96, BRIXTON, ACADEMY, 110 >17.07.96, MARL, SCHACHT 8, 105 >18.07.96, BRAUNSCHWEIG, FBZ , 100 > >(BROCK/CHADWICK/TREE) >18.08.96, CUNLHAT, FESTIVAL, 40 > >(BROCK/CHADWICK/TREE/DAVEY/RICHARDS) >07.09.96, TILBURG, SWEET SMOKE FESTIVAL, 65 >08.09.96, ROTTERDAM, NIGHTTOWN, 85 >09.11.96, ATHEN, RODON CLUB, 90 > >(BROCK/CHADWICK/TREE/RICHARDS/LANGTON) >07.06.97, LONDON, BLACKHEATH, 90 > >(BROCK/CHADWICK/TREE/RICHARDS/RIZZ) >12.07.97, ESCALARRE, DR. MUSIC FESTIVAL, 70 >24.08.97, CHICAGO, CUBBY BEAR, 95 What about Cleveland and New York City? Are these not listed because there aren't tapes? (I don't recall seeing anyone recording the Cleveland show, but Bob Lennon was at the NYC show, so I'd have to believe there's at least a video tape! Can you enlighten us, Bob?!?) >(BROCK/CHADWICK/TREE/RICHARDS/TURNER) >31.08.97, SHERMAN, STRANGE DAZE FESTIVAL, 90 > >(BROCK/CHADWICK/TREE/RICHARDS) >27.09.97, WHITBY, DRAC FESTIVAL, 85 > >(BROCK/CHADWICK/TREE/RICHARDS/CRUM/RIZZ) >11.10.97, KINGS LYNN, CORN EXCHANGE, 90 >19.11.97, AMSTERDAM, MELKWEG, 95 > >(CHADWICK/RICHARDS/RIZZ/TAYLOR/HAYES) >15.08.98, GARRETTSVILLE, STRANGE DAZE FESTIVAL, 70 -Doug ceres at sirius.com From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Thu Nov 12 21:08:27 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:08:27 +0900 Subject: AW: Bernhard Message-ID: Doug Pearson wrote: > > Thanks for the list, Bernhard! Is this really the entire list of Hawkwind > gigs from 4/96 through 8/98? There are at least two shows from the '97 US > tour missing (see below). Just curious ... There's also a show missing from The Assembly Rooms, Worthing in the UK. I'd have to see if I still have the tickets to get the date, but it was the first gig after Davey left and Tree was playing bass. Played to a massive audience of almost 50 people, if I remember rightly. (Maybe this falls outside the date range.) > From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Nov 12 23:58:01 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 23:58:01 -0500 Subject: BOC: OYFOOYK Question Message-ID: >Andrew Apold wrote: > >> only two songs of the entire [SEE] album (ETI and Astronomy) were even out >when OYFOOYK came out > >Actually only Astronomy was. slip, I knew better than that. I agree with your assessment of Levy's notes, >though, if that assessment is that he was barking through his ass. Basically. the "maltese falcon" of record collectors.... not to mention the story about Bolle spending hundreds of dollars trying to track down recordings of Eric singing in Japanese since Levy said he did... ============================= "All praise, he's found the awful truth, Balthazar... He's found the saucer news!" - E.T.I. by Blue ?yster Cult -AAA From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Nov 13 01:41:16 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (The Automind) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 22:41:16 PST Subject: HW:Lord of the Hornets Message-ID: >Anyway, what I referred to earlier is that I recently, unbeknown to myself, >have been reading Moorcock since I was about 7 or 8. You see, I was brought >up on British comics such as Smash, Lion, Tiger, etc., and have discovered >that a great deal of those strips were written by none other than Mr. >Moorcock. I even read one again recently and can see his style in the story >very clearly. > >William I was also unkowingly subjected to Moorcock when I was 7- watching "The land that Time Forgot" at my granparents house! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Fri Nov 13 03:05:34 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 02:05:34 -0600 Subject: OFF: Metallica/Vampires Message-ID: > Can't agree with you more, one of the better Vampire movies, right up there with > > Near Dark, The Lost Boys, and Fright Night in my opinion, Near Dark probably > > being my favorite. Escape From L.A. was the only Carpenter movie I really never > > liked, but one of my favorites from him would have to be "They Live", I just > > love that movie. > > > > Laj. > > 'They Live', 'The Thing' and 'Hallowee' have always been my favorite > Carpenter films. Now I can add 'Vampires' to the list. > > -- Nick All great movies, especially Halloween, it pretty much redefined the horror genre. big influence on "Friday the 13" and "Nightmare on Elm Street". And ya can't forget "Reaper", heard in the background when they were driving, trying to get away from Michael, made a good movie great ;-). And another great Carpenter film would have to be "Escape From New York". Laj. From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Fri Nov 13 03:22:17 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 02:22:17 -0600 Subject: OFF: Metallica/Vampires Message-ID: John A Swartz wrote: > >Can't agree with you more, one of the better Vampire movies, right up there with > Near Dark, The Lost Boys, and Fright Night in my opinion > > I thought The Lost Boys was a pretty cool movie, and I still occassionally > listen to the soundtrack (Roger Daltery singing "Don't Let the Sun Go > Down on Me" is particularly cool). > > John Ya I got the sound track, haven't actually listened to it in years, after reading your post I went upstairs and got it and am listening to it right now actually :-). I remember hearing that Good Times tune on the radio a few times, and I really like the version of "People Are Strange" that Echo and the Bunnymen do. I also like the Daltrey version of "Don't Let . ." better than the Elton John original. Laj. From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Fri Nov 13 03:44:05 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 02:44:05 -0600 Subject: BOC: Jason's Questions Message-ID: John A Swartz wrote: > >(Whatever that title > is for the EP) and Live (1994) anyone know what that might be? Maybe its > a mistaken name or Cult CLassic...but then again I forgot when that was > released. > > Cult Classic was released in 1994. Never heard of a "Live 1994" release - > perhaps they got it confused with "Live 1976". Also, an import CD > release of "The BOC Bootleg" is entitled - "Live in New York, '72". > Maybe it's that? > > > John Speaking of confusing, was searching around Barnes and Noble books online, and found a paper back BOC Cult Classic ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? I never heard of a Cult Classic book. Here's the address if you want to check this out: http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=5UPG13XTWS&mscssid=3CPQGWQJFJSH2G8R00LHRNKKGBR9RQML&sourceid=00000114760027700840&pcount=&stime=945849671&isbn=0793561302 Or go to , http://www.barnesandnoble.com/ and then, of coarse, search Blue Oyster Cult. Laj. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Nov 12 22:46:59 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 03:46:59 +0000 Subject: BOC: Random thoughts post Message-ID: > I would disagree however that BOC had more market pull > than Triumph. BOC served as an opening act to Triumph on quite a few > occassions. Nah. That was the 80s...BOC were on their way out, while Triumph were up-and-comers. Now it's the 90s, and both bands are struggling to let rock fans know they still exist (DOES Triumph still exist?). But when you shake it all down, career vs. career, I'm sure there's a hell of a lot more people who can name you a BOC tune than a Triumph tune. At least in the "lower 48". -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Nov 12 22:47:00 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 03:47:00 +0000 Subject: OFF: Metallica/Vampires Message-ID: > And another great Carpenter film would > have to be "Escape From New York". > > Laj. Agreed...But something else just occurred to me. Here we are discussing Carpenter flicks on a BOC list, yet NO ONE has mentioned 'Prince of Darkness'!!!! Remember the chick who gets possessed, and the BOC symbol appears on her arm? Personally, I think that was the coolest BOC reference/homage I've ever seen...and I'm assuming it was meant as one...? Also, a small part for Alice Cooper, and he gets to kill someone, which I'm sure he didn't mind. -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Nov 12 22:46:59 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 03:46:59 +0000 Subject: BOC: Jason's Questions Message-ID: > BOC KBFH shows, NOT just the '86 broadcast - I think the reason that > came up was because of the anticipation of having "Wings of Mercury" on > this disc, and that song came from the '86 broadcast. I want 'Wings of Mercury'! If it's on this mythical KBFH disc, they've got my 13 bucks! I used to have it on a bootleg of an '86 show (Opening for...yuck...Rush in Binghamton) and I loved it! I believe it was written for the 'Hearin' Aid' project. Does anybody know why it eventually wasn't included on that album? -- Nick From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Fri Nov 13 03:58:42 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 02:58:42 -0600 Subject: OFF: Metallica/Vampires Message-ID: The Automind wrote: > >Can't agree with you more, one of the better Vampire movies, right up > there with > >Near Dark, The Lost Boys, and Fright Night in my opinion, Near Dark > probably > >being my favorite. Escape From L.A. was the only Carpenter movie I > really never > >liked, but one of my favorites from him would have to be "They Live", I > just > >love that movie. > > > >Laj. > > DARK STAR!!! > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Ya know, I have never seen "Dark Star", I have never seen it at a video store either, what's it about? being Carpenter it probably ROCKS! Was it a release from a major film company? Laj. From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Fri Nov 13 04:07:42 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 03:07:42 -0600 Subject: OFF: frrrrrrrrrrripp! and stuff Message-ID: Paul Mather wrote: > => I think they will be, Mobile Fidelity did a great job with Agents of Fortune, and > => from the other Gold albums I have seen from other groups, it seems that they do > => really good work. > > Yes, they do. If nothing else, those lift-lock CD cases are to die for! :-) > it definitely ad's to the general coolness of the whole album. > => > Quick question: How much better was the redone AoF soundwise? I was not > => > around for that set of conversations. > => > => Quick answer: A bit ;-). > => > => The dynamics are definitely better, I don't know much about why sound quality is > => better on Gold discs than standard ones, I do know they cost more ;-). If you > => listen to Agents quite a bit, it's definitely worth buying though. > > Although, for pragmatic reasons, the "gold discs sound better" is > essentially bogus, the actual reason MoFi releases sound better is > painfully simple: they take due care with remastering their releases! > This means, amongst other things, that they seek out original master > tapes (not Nth generation safety masters), don't reprocess the shit out > of it, etc. The result is a great transfer, with an eye on sound > quality at all times. > > They press using a gold substrate to justify the higher release cost, I > reckon, i.e., to make Joe Public thing he's getting something tangible > for his extra bucks. (Which, in fact, he is: better sound quality!) > > => For Web Addresses, here's the KBFH site, and the Mobile Fidelity Site. > => > => http://www.king-biscuit.com/ > => > => http://www.mofi.com/ > > And don't forget DCC Compact Classics (http://www.DCCcompact.com/), who > may be even more A.R. than MoFi when it comes to high-quality > remastering! Their _Aqualung_ ist sehr gut. > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > obCD: Shakti, _Shakti, with John McLaughlin_ > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" > --- James Marshall Hendrix I didn't know that about gold disks, I always thought the Gold actually helped the dynamics, just another misinformed consumer it seems ;-). But they do look damn impressive being gold, coupled with the lift lock mechanism and the liner notes, makes a pretty impressive package visually. Laj. From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Fri Nov 13 04:30:34 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:30:34 +0100 Subject: AW: Bernhard In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981112172909.00829a50@pop.sirius.com> Message-ID: Hi Folks OK. I posted only a part of my list Here ist now the list of ALL gigs HAWKWIND played from 1996-1998 TOWN: HALL: DATE: DAY: LINE-UP: London TV VH-1 14.04.96 Sun BR/DA/CH/TR Brixton Academy 21.06.96 Fri BR/DA/CH/TR Brentwood Centre 22.06.96 Sat BR/DA/CH/TR Guildford Civic Hall 23.06.96 Sun BR/DA/CH/TR Ipswich Corn Exchange 24.06.96 Mon BR/DA/CH/TR Lille L'Aeronef 25.06.96 Tue BR/DA/CH/TR Amsterdam Paradiso 26.06.96 Wed BR/DA/CH/TR Tilburg Noorderligt 27.06.96 Thu BR/DA/CH/TR Antwerpen Rivierenhof 29.06.96 Sat BR/DA/CH/TR Marl Schacht 8 17.07.96 Wed BR/DA/CH/TR Braunschweig FBZ 18.07.96 Thu BR/DA/CH/TR Berlin Huxleys 19.07.96 Fri BR/DA/CH/TR Burg Herzberg Festival 21.07.96 Sun BR/DA/CH/TR Gent Festival 23.07.96 Tue BR/DA/CH/TR Langtree Festival 27.07.96 Sat BR/DA/CH/TR Cunlhat Festival 18.08.96 Sun BR/CH/TR/RI Tilburg Festival 07.09.96 Sat BR/DA/CH/TR/RI Rotterdam Nighttown 08.09.96 Sun BR/DA/CH/TR/RI Thesaloniki Milos 08.11.96 Fri BR/DA/CH/TR/RI Athen Rodon Club 09.11.96 Sat BR/DA/CH/TR/RI London Blackheath 07.06.97 Sat BR/CH/TR/RI/LL Escalarre Dr.Music Festival 12.07.97 Sat BR/CH/TR/RI/RZ Escalarre Dr.Music Festival 13.07.97 Sun BR/CH/TR/RI/RZ Chicago Cubby Bear 24.08.97 Sun BR/CH/TR/RI Cleveland Phantasy Theatre 26.08.97 Tue BR/CH/TR/RI New York Coney Island High 29.08.97 Fri BR/CH/TR/RI/RZ Sherman Strange Daze Festival 31.08.97 Sun BR/CH/TR/RI/TU/RZ Whitby Dracula Festival 27.09.97 Sat BR/CH/TR/RI/RZ Worthing Assembly Halls 30.09.97 Tue BR/CH/TR/RI/RZ Felixstowe Pavillon Theatre 01.10.97 Wed BR/CH/TR/RI/RZ Tunbridge Wells Assembly Hall 02.10.97 Thu BR/CH/TR/RI/CR/RZ Poole Arts Centre 03.10.97 Fri BR/CH/TR/RI/CR/RZ Folkestone Leas Cliff Hall 07.10.97 Tue BR/CH/TR/RI/CR/RZ Norwich University 08.10.97 Wed BR/CH/TR/RI/CR/RZ Colchester Charter Hall 10.10.97 Fri BR/CH/TR/RI/CR/RZ Kings Lynn Corn Exchange 11.10.97 Sat BR/CH/TR/RI/CR/RZ Hayes Back Theatre 13.10.97 Mon BR/CH/TR/RI/CR/RZ Mansfield Leisure Centre 16.10.97 Thu BR/CH/TR/RI/CR/RZ Edinburgh Liquid Rooms 17.10.97 Fri BR/CH/TR/RI/CR/RZ Glasgow Garage 19.10.97 Sun BR/CH/TR/RI/CR/RZ Morecambe Dome 20.10.97 Mon BR/CH/TR/RI/CR/RZ Manchester Ritz 21.10.97 Tue BR/CH/TR/RI/CR/RZ Blackburn King George Hall 22.10.97 Wed BR/CH/TR/RI/CR/RZ Liverpool Empire 23.10.97 Thu BR/CH/TR/RI/CR/RZ Southport Theatre 24.10.97 Fri BR/CH/TR/RI/CR/RZ Stoke On Trent Trentham Gardens 25.10.97 Sat BR/CH/TR/RI/CR/RZ York Grand Opera 26.10.97 Sun BR/CH/TR/RI/CR/RZ Leeds Irish Centre 27.10.97 Mon BR/CH/TR/RI/CR/RZ Wolverhampton Civic Hall 28.10.97 Tue BR/CH/TR/RI/CR/RZ Croydon Fairfields Hall 29.10.97 Wed BR/CH/TR/RI/CR/RZ London Empire 31.10.97 Fri BR/CH/TR/RI/CR/RZ Guildford Civic Centre 01.11.97 Sat BR/CH/TR/RI/CR/RZ Sheffield City Hall 02.11.97 Sun BR/CH/TR/RI/CR/RZ Rhyll New Theatre 03.11.97 Mon BR/CH/TR/RI/CR/RZ Paington Festival Theatre 05.11.97 Wed BR/CH/TR/RI/CR/RZ Newport Leisure Centre 06.11.97 Thu BR/CH/TR/RI/CR/RZ Ashton Thamesside Theatre 07.11.97 Fri BR/CH/TR/RI/CR/RZ Oxford Zodiac 08.11.97 Sat BR/CH/TR/RI/CR/RZ Swansea Leisure Centre 09.11.97 Sun BR/CH/TR/RI/CR/RZ Swindon Wyvern Theatre 10.11.97 Mon BR/CH/TR/RI/CR/RZ Eindhoven Effenaar 18.11.97 Tue BR/CH/TR/RI/RZ Amsterdam Melkweg 19.11.97 Wed BR/CH/TR/RI/CR/RZ Br?ssel Ancienne Belgique 20.11.97 Thu BR/CH/TR/RI/CR/RZ Garrettsville Strange Daze Festival 15.08.98 Sat CH/RI/RZ/TY/HY And here are the track-listings off ALL tapes I call my own from this period: 14.04.96, LONDON, VH-1, 15/10 intro / silver machine / love in space / interview 21.06.96, BRIXTON, ACADEMY, 110/8 intro / psi power / photo encounter / blue skin / steppenwolf / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / sputnik stan / xenomorph / vega / love in space / kapal / aerospaceage inferno / elfin / silver machine / welcome / secret agent / abducted 22.06.96, BRENTWOOD, CIVIC HALL, 105/7 intro / psi power / photo encounter / blue skin / steppenwolf / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / sputnik stan / xenomorph / vega / love in space / kapal / aerospaceage inferno / elfin / silver machine / welcome / secret agent / abducted 26.06.96, AMSTERDAM, PARADISO, 100/8 intro / psi power / photo encounter / blue skin / steppenwolf / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / sputnik stan / xenomorph / vega / love in space / kapal / aerospaceage inferno / elfin / silver machine / welcome / secret agent 27.06.96, TILBURG, NOORDERLIGT, 100/8 intro / psi power / photo encounter / blue skin / steppenwolf / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / sputnik stan / xenomorph / vega / love in space / kapal / aerospaceage inferno / elfin / silver machine / welcome / secret agent 17.07.96, MARL, SCHACHT 8, 105/5 abducted / psi power / awakening / photo encounter / blue skin / steppenwolf / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / sputnik stan / xenomorph / vega / love in space / kapal / aerospaceage inferno / elfin / silver machine / welcome / secret agent 18.07.96, BRAUNSCHWEIG, FBZ , 100/9 abducted / psi power / awakening / photo encounter / blue skin / steppenwolf / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / sputnik stan / xenomorph / vega / love in space / kapal / aerospaceage inferno / elfin / silver machine / welcome 19.07.96, BERLIN, HUXLEYS, 100/9 abducted / psi power / awakening / photo encounter / blue skin / steppenwolf / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / sputnik stan / xenomorph / vega / love in space / kapal / aerospaceage inferno / elfin / silver machine / welcome 21.07.96, BURG HERZBERG, FESTIVAL, 110/8 abducted / psi power / awakening / photo encounter / blue skin / steppenwolf / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / sputnik stan / xenomorph / vega / love in space / kapal / aerospaceage inferno / elfin / silver machine / welcome / secret agent 23.07.96, GENT, FESTIVAL, 110/8 abducted / psi power / awakening / photo encounter / blue skin / steppenwolf / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / sputnik stan / xenomorph / vega / love in space / kapal / aerospaceage inferno / jam / elfin / silver machine / welcome / secret agent 27.07.96, LANGTREE, FESTIVAL, 110/7 abducted / psi power / awakening / photo encounter / blue skin / steppenwolf / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / sputnik stan / xenomorph / vega / love in space / kapal / aerospaceage inferno / elfin / silver machine / welcome / secret agent 18.08.96, CUNLHAT, FESTIVAL, 40/7 jam / master of the universe / awakening / photo encounter / blue skin / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / angels of death / love in space / aerospaceage inferno 07.09.96, TILBURG, SWEET SMOKE FESTIVAL, 65/8 abducted / master of the universe / awakening / photo encounter / blue skin / sputnik stan / brainstorm / aerospaceage inferno / iron dream / hassan i sahba 08.09.96, ROTTERDAM, NIGHTTOWN, 85/9 blue skin / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / sputnik stan / instrumental / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / iron dream / kapal / instrumental / brainstorm / silver machine / welcome 09.11.96, ATHEN, RODON CLUB, 90/8 assault & battery / golden void / awakening / photo encounter / blue skin / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / sputnik stan / needle gun / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / uncle sam?s on mars / iron dream / brainstorm / camera that could lie / brainstorm 07.06.97, LONDON, BLACKHEATH, 90/7 intro / assault & battery / golden void / blue skin / steppenwolf / raptoid vision / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / wastelands / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / wheels / brainstorm / camera that could lie / brainstorm / ejection / needle gun 12.07.97, ESCALARRE, DR. MUSIC FESTIVAL, 70/8 intro / wheels / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / narration / brainstorm / raptoid vision 24.08.97, CHICAGO, CUBBY BEAR, 95/9 intro / wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / starflight / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / camera that could lie / brainstorm / alien i am / raptoid vision / ejection / black corridor / ejection 26.08.97, CLEVELAND, PHANTASY THEATRE, 80/9 intro / wheels / warriors / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / camera that could lie / brainstorm / needle gun / raptoid vision 29.08.97, NEW YORK, CONEY ISLAND HIGH, 85/10 intro / wheels / warriors / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / starflight / brainstorm / jam / brainstorm / raptoid vision 31.08.97, SHERMAN, STRANGE DAZE FESTIVAL, 90/10 intro / kauai / wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / jam / brainstorm / needle gun / ejection / raptoid vision 27.09.97, WHITBY, DRAC FESTIVAL, 85/7 kauai / dracula poem / wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / unknown / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / jam / brainstorm / raptoid vision 30.09.97, WORTHING, ASSEMBLY HALLS, 50/4 kauai / wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / pleasure phantasy / alchemy / love in space 02.10.97, TURNBRIDGE WELLS, Assembly Hall, 90/7 wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / pleasure phantasy / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / jam / brainstorm / raptoid vision / starflight / ejection / gremlin 10.10.97, COLCHESTER, CHARTER HALL, 90/9 wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / pleasure phantasy / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / jam / brainstorm / raptoid vision / starflight / ejection / gremlin 11.10.97, KINGS LYNN, CORN EXCHANGE, 90/9 wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / pleasure phantasy / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / jam / brainstorm / raptoid vision / starflight / ejection / gremlin 17.10.97, EDINBURGH, LIQUID ROOMS, 75/7 hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / pleasure phantasy / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / jam / brainstorm / raptoid vision / starflight / ejection / gremlin 19.10.97, GLASGOW, GARAGE, 90/7 wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / pleasure phantasy / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / jam / brainstorm / raptoid vision / starflight / ejection / gremlin 20.10.97, MORCAMBE, DOME, 85/8 wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / pleasure phantasy / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / jam / brainstorm / raptoid vision 21.10.97, MANCHESTER, RITZ, 95/8 wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / pleasure phantasy / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / jam / brainstorm / raptoid vision / starflight / ejection / gremlin 23.10.97, LIVERPOOL, EMPIRE, 80/8 wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / pleasure phantasy / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / jam / brainstorm / raptoid vision 31.10.97, LONDON, EMPIRE, 90/7 wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / pleasure phantasy / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / jam / brainstorm / raptoid vision / starflight / ejection / gremlin 01.11.97, GUILDFORD, CIVIC HALL, 90/7 wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / pleasure phantasy / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / jam / brainstorm / raptoid vision / starflight / ejection / gremlin 06.11.97, NEWPORT, LEISURE CENTRE, 90/8 wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / pleasure phantasy / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / jam / brainstorm / raptoid vision 08.11.97, OXFORD, ZODIAC, 90/7 wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / pleasure phantasy / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / jam / brainstorm / starflight / ejection / gremlin 10.11.97, SWINDON, WYVERN THEATRE, 90/8 wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / pleasure phantasy / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / jam / brainstorm / raptoid vision 18.11.97, EINDHOVEN, EFFENAAR, 85/9 wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / pleasure phantasy / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / jam / brainstorm / raptoid vision 19.11.97, AMSTERDAM, MELKWEG, 95/9 wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan i sahba / pleasure phantasy / alchemy / love in space / aerospaceage inferno / sonic attac / blue skin / brainstorm / jam / brainstorm / raptoid vision / starflight / ejection / gremlin 15.08.98, GARRETTSVILLE, STRANGE DAZE FESTIVAL, 70/10 electronics / wheels / standing at the edge / assault & battery / golden void / spirit of the age / starfire mountain dreaming / time we left / space is deep / brainstorm Bernhard From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Fri Nov 13 05:37:54 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 04:37:54 -0600 Subject: BOC: OYFOOYK Question Message-ID: Chris Baker wrote: > Andrew Apold wrote: > > > only two songs of the entire [SEE] album (ETI and Astronomy) were even out > when OYFOOYK came out > > Actually only Astronomy was. I agree with your assessment of Levy's notes, > though, if that assessment is that he was barking through his ass. > > -Chris Baker Who exactly was Arthur Levy? I have a tour book from Cultosaurus saying Eric sang almost the entire set in Japanese, and a Morning Final newsletter (can't remember the issue number) saying Eric can't speak a word of it, except the spoken part in Godzilla of coarse. I was even going to try and find a few Japanese tapes, till I found out from numerous people a while ago that it was just a rumor, and not true. I guess you should never let truth get in the way of a good story ;-). Laj. From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Fri Nov 13 05:58:34 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 04:58:34 -0600 Subject: BOC: Random thoughts post Message-ID: > I would disagree however that BOC had more market pull > > than Triumph. BOC served as an opening act to Triumph on quite a few > > occassions. > > Nah. That was the 80s...BOC were on their way out, while Triumph > were up-and-comers. Now it's the 90s, and both bands are struggling > to let rock fans know they still exist (DOES Triumph still exist?). > But when you shake it all down, career vs. career, I'm sure there's a > hell of a lot more people who can name you a BOC tune than a Triumph > tune. At least in the "lower 48". > > -- Nick Or when speaking of age, the "higher than 48" ;-). Laj. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Nov 13 06:17:48 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 07:17:48 EDT Subject: BOC: Jason's Questions In-Reply-To: <364BF155.82A7B5F@dlcwest.com> Message-ID: > From: Laj Waldner > > > Speaking of confusing, was searching around Barnes and Noble books online, and > found a paper back BOC Cult Classic ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? I never heard of > a Cult Classic book. Here's the address if you want to check this out: > > http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=5UPG13XTWS&mscssid=3CPQGWQJFJSH2G8R00LHRNKKGBR9RQML&sourceid=00000114760027700840&pcount=&stime=945849671&isbn=0793561302 > > Or go to , http://www.barnesandnoble.com/ and then, of coarse, search Blue > Oyster Cult. > Are you referring to the songbook, with TAB diagrams, chord charts etc.? This is a worthwhile book. Guitar parts are pretty accurate... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Nov 13 06:25:09 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 07:25:09 EDT Subject: BOC: Random thoughts post In-Reply-To: <199811130846.DAA24337@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: > From: "" > > I would disagree however that BOC had more market pull > > than Triumph. BOC served as an opening act to Triumph on quite a few > > occassions. > > Nah. That was the 80s...BOC were on their way out, while Triumph > were up-and-comers. Now it's the 90s, and both bands are struggling > to let rock fans know they still exist (DOES Triumph still exist?). > But when you shake it all down, career vs. career, I'm sure there's a > hell of a lot more people who can name you a BOC tune than a Triumph > tune. At least in the "lower 48". > > -- Nick BOC opened for Triumph? Where was this, in Toronto? I'm from the northeast, not far from Canada, and Triumph only played in this area once, around 1980 I'd say, and it was in a small theatre. BOC, OTOH, played here throughout the 70s and 80s--all the time, and consistently played big arenas, usually selling them out. Maybe in some parts of the country Triumph was a big deal, but not up here. BTW, I kind of liked Triumph [at least Ric's guitar playing] but somebody's smoking something really great if they ever though Triumph were a bigger group than BOC. Maybe after Al left BOC? That's a possibility... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Nov 13 06:34:13 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 07:34:13 EDT Subject: BOC: Jason's Questions In-Reply-To: <199811130846.DAA24340@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: > From: "" > > I want 'Wings of Mercury'! If it's on this mythical KBFH disc, > they've got my 13 bucks! I used to have it on a bootleg of an '86 > show (Opening for...yuck...Rush in Binghamton) and I loved it! > > I believe it was written for the 'Hearin' Aid' project. Does anybody > know why it eventually wasn't included on that album? > > -- Nick I've actually got Hear 'n' Aid! Can't remember the tune they play. I believe EB and BD might actually be on another tune as well, as backing players. The album's more cool for its cover art than the disc inside! Hey, and whatta mean 'yuck?' Everyone knows Rush's the greatest Canadian export since Old Vienna. I know because adolescents of all ages have told me so! theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Nov 13 08:12:43 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 08:12:43 -0500 Subject: BOC: Random thoughts post Message-ID: >BTW John Swartz - Vixen is also represented on this 8cd set. Showed one of their 80's videos and ...Oh my gosh I think I'll become one of their fans. Yowza! Yeah - they can rock too. ;-) John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Nov 13 08:26:42 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 08:26:42 -0500 Subject: BOC: OYFOOYK Question Message-ID: >What are those omissions/comissions that Arthur Levy mentioned in his liner notes? I believe, and hopefully Albert can weigh in on this, that: Sins of "commission" - the mix was pretty raw. In retrospect, that's why many of us (including Al and Joe Bouchard) think the album is great. But, I believe, at the time of it's release, the band was not happy with the sonic production. Sins of "omission" - There are a few songs that were in BOC's setlist at that time that didn't get onto the album, notably "Astronomy" (which SEE made up for) - one could also argue "Stairway to the Stars" and "Flaming Telepaths" (although of course these weren't on SEE). As to exactly who is Arthur Levy, and what was he smoking when he wrote some of the liner notes...well, maybe Albert can lend some insight. BTW, Albert, do you hate it when I volunteer you for these things? ;-) John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Nov 13 08:30:43 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 08:30:43 -0500 Subject: OFF: frrrrrrrrrrripp! and stuff Message-ID: > Although, for pragmatic reasons, the "gold discs sound better" is > essentially bogus, I've heard that (although I don't know if it's true - any audiophiles care to comment?) that the gold discs actually do sound better to the material because, I believe, that gold has better reflective properties, which ends up resulting in less missed bits (and subsequent error correction). Certainly, however, I agree with the assertion that the main reason they sound better is do to remastering. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Nov 13 08:32:28 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 08:32:28 -0500 Subject: BOC: OYFOOYK Question Message-ID: >I have a tour book from Cultosaurus saying Eric sang almost the entire set in Japanese, and a Morning Final newsletter (can't remember the issue number) saying Eric can't speak a word of it, except the spoken part in Godzilla of coarse. Well, I believe that Eric does know some Japanese. He did do a bit of spoken dialoge in Japanese prior to the band doing "Godzilla" (of course, if might have been something he just memorized?). But, the claims that he sang the set in Japanese are bogus (I've heard the tape). John From ptl at WELL.SF.CA.US Fri Nov 13 08:55:07 1998 From: ptl at WELL.SF.CA.US (Patrick Lenneau) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 05:55:07 -0800 Subject: BOC: Jason's Questions Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Just guessing though. -- Tim From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Fri Nov 13 09:53:00 1998 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:53:00 GMT Subject: OFF: Dark Star In-Reply-To: <364BF4C2.3CB1A2C4@dlcwest.com> Message-ID: Laj Waldner wrote: LW>Ya know, I have never seen "Dark Star", I have never seen it at a video LW>store either, what's it about? being Carpenter it probably ROCKS! Was it a LW>release from a major film company? Can't remember what company released it, but I can approximately remember what was going on in that movie: 4 astronauts, completely being screwed up of the long life in a spaceship, have task to destroy unstable planets (whatever that "unstable" means). They do that with intelligent bombs, that among all thigs, can talk and philosophise. ;-) They have also some extraterrestrial pet resembling a beach ball with claws, which mischievous behaviour one day causes the bomb cotrol units to blast. Therefore the astronauts are left to mercy of the loose, smart-ass talking bomb........ Watch the movie! What I wrote now is not very accurate, since it was a long time ago, so I want again to find somewhere this movie. Anyway, "Dark Star" could compete for the best debut movie made ever. Simplius --- * OLXWin 1.00b * And all the Borg left was this copy of Windows. From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Nov 13 12:18:20 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 09:18:20 -0800 Subject: BOC: Oysterboys vs. Canadian Trio's Message-ID: I would disagree however that BOC had more market pull > than Triumph. BOC served as an opening act to Triumph on quite a few > occassions. Nick>Nah. That was the 80s...BOC were on their way out, while Triumph were up-and-comers. Now it's the 90s, and both bands are struggling to let rock fans know they still exist (DOES Triumph still exist?). But when you shake it all down, career vs. career, I'm sure there's a hell of a lot more people who can name you a BOC tune than a Triumph tune. At least in the "lower 48". You are probably right as most of the dates that I am familiar with are 80's tours, but I disagree on the naming tunes part Can somneone start a poll? ;-) For the record Triumph does and does not exist. Rik Emmet (guitarist/vocalist) left the band after the album Surveilance. I won't go into the details of the breakup but it was extremely unfriendly. Gil Moore (drums) and Mike Levine (Bass) along with a Canadian guitarist named Phil X did the last Triumph Album, Edge of Excess. It was a bomb of the stinkiest magnitude. Its got a few rockers like Trouble Maker (part of the Hellrasier III soundtrack) but for all intents and purposes was not a Triumph album. Gone was Rik's melodious falsesetto vocals, lovely accoustic guitar interludes and generally awesome axe-manship. A very one sided album, striaght forward 80's rock. To this day Rik enjoys a solo career a shade below BOC. They play the same venues (Jaxx for example). Rik has at least five solo albums Absolutely which is the most Triumph like, Spiral Notebook and Ipso Facto (both with strong pop tendancies) The Ten Mistresses of Mr. E (?) a collection of accoustic guitar songs and Swing Shift an album where he explores all types of music as seen through the six stings of a guitar. Gil and Mike? These guys are hanging around Canada holding on to the glory days. They have teased Triumph fans for the last few years about a new Triumph album and a tour in the works. Anyone who kinda liked this band and would be interested in a reunion tour I got a couple of words for ya "forget about it". Things are extremely bad between Rik and Gil, don't think a reunion could ever happen. Sorry if I strayed off topic but I really love Triumph music. Rik is an amazing guitarist and like Buck has gotten better with age. Tommy Shaw and Jack Blades mad a strong pitch for Rik as lead guitarist for Damn Yankees before settling on Ted Nugent. I would LOVE to see Rik and Buck work together even if it were one song. Strange thing, there is a small Triumph mailing list and just about everbody on it agreed, if Rik were to do something with another guitarist Buck would be the best fit. Lots of BOC fans on that list. Funny mentioning the boot of BOC when they opened for Rush, just reminded me of yet another band that initially carried BOC's equipment, only to turn the tables a few years later. Offthoughts - I too believe that the Lost Boys was a superior Vampire movie. On the other end of the spectrum is the sad excuse for a George Clooney vehicle called "From Dusk 'til Dawn". Frank Langella's portrayal of Dracula was very good though the movie itself subpar. Ghost in the Ruins... "I drop a bomb in the temple of your dreams." - Monster Magnet From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Nov 13 12:29:06 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:29:06 -0500 Subject: HW: MK: Queens of Deleria Message-ID: Hi Folks... For whomever was looking for this... Queens of Deleria by Michael Butterworth (based on an idea by MM) (Sequel to The Time of the Hawklords) A Star Book, paperback division of W.H. Allen & Co. Ltd. (a Howard and Wyndham Company), London 1977 ISBN 0 352 39602 4 Keith H. (FAA) From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Nov 13 12:17:19 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:17:19 EDT Subject: BOC: Oysterboys vs. Canadian Trio's In-Reply-To: <199811131722.KAA04318@docws002.shl.com> Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > Sorry if I strayed off topic but I really love Triumph music. Rik is an > amazing guitarist and like Buck has gotten better with age. Tommy Shaw and > Jack Blades mad a strong pitch for Rik as lead guitarist for Damn Yankees > before settling on Ted Nugent. Wow! What were those guys smoking? One lick, no brains, no voice Ted [Nugent, not Jackson!] vs. Intelligent, decent vocalist, extraordinary guitarist Rik--and they could have made a fortune on the exchange rate paying him in US dollars! What kind of a choice was that? I would LOVE to see Rik and Buck work > together even if it were one song. Strange thing, there is a small Triumph > mailing list and just about everbody on it agreed, if Rik were to do > something with another guitarist Buck would be the best fit. Lots of BOC > fans on that list. Well neither of those guys need another guitar player in their band. I doubt they'd work very well together. Also, stylistically, they're worlds apart. Rik specializes in anthemic, stadium rock/pop tunes with admitedly jaw-dropping tasteful acoustic tunes dropped in there now and again, while Buck is--well, Buck. No knocking Rik, who I believe is also a virtuoso, it's just apples and oranges... > > Funny mentioning the boot of BOC when they opened for Rush, just reminded me > of yet another band that initially carried BOC's equipment, only to turn the > tables a few years later. > > Offthoughts - I too believe that the Lost Boys was a superior Vampire movie. > On the other end of the spectrum is the sad excuse for a George Clooney > vehicle called "From Dusk 'til Dawn". Excuse me? That sad excuse was written by Quentin Tarantino, and is a hillarious send-up of vampire flicks. IMHO, it's the only decent thing Clooney's done, apart from the much awaited Thin Red Line... theo From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Fri Nov 13 17:20:01 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 17:20:01 EST Subject: BOC: OYFOOYK Question Message-ID: I know that BD was quoted years ago as saying he thought "On Your Feet..." would have been better as a single album than a double. And in that recent Vintage Guitar magazine interview, he said (I'm paraphrasing from memory) that the one cut that he thought sounded good (or "right") was "Last Days of May", and attributed this to the involvement of Jack Douglas (Aerosmith, etc.) From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Sat Nov 14 02:59:50 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 01:59:50 -0600 Subject: OFF: Metallica/Vampires Message-ID: > And another great Carpenter film would > > have to be "Escape From New York". > > > > Laj. > > Agreed...But something else just occurred to me. Here we are > discussing Carpenter flicks on a BOC list, yet NO ONE has mentioned > 'Prince of Darkness'!!!! Remember the chick who gets possessed, and > the BOC symbol appears on her arm? Personally, I think that was the > coolest BOC reference/homage I've ever seen...and I'm assuming it was > meant as one...? > > Also, a small part for Alice Cooper, and he gets to kill someone, > which I'm sure he didn't mind. > > -- Nick Two movies I'm going to try and rent this weekend, if I can find them, will be "Dark Star" and "Prince of Darkness", I have heard of that BOC reference before, thanks to the FAQ. But one movie that I couldn't find the reference in was "Singles", and I was looking for it, know where it is? Laj From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Sat Nov 14 03:12:13 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 02:12:13 -0600 Subject: BOC: Oysterboys vs. Canadian Trio's Message-ID: BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: > Offthoughts - I too believe that the Lost Boys was a superior Vampire movie. > On the other end of the spectrum is the sad excuse for a George Clooney > vehicle called "From Dusk 'til Dawn". Frank Langella's portrayal of Dracula > was very good though the movie itself subpar. > > Ghost in the Ruins... > "I drop a bomb in the temple of your dreams." - Monster Magnet Ya didn't like FDTD, I thought it was great. I loved the way it's a Tarantino movie first, then it becomes a cheesy B horror movie at the end. The Vampires weren't taken to seriously, I loved Sex Machine's quote "these vampires are soft and mushy", of coarse setting up the fact that when ever they get hit by anything there going to explode into a gooey mess :-). Laj. From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Sat Nov 14 03:13:50 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 02:13:50 -0600 Subject: OFF: Dark Star Message-ID: Goran Janicijevic wrote: > Laj Waldner wrote: > > LW>Ya know, I have never seen "Dark Star", I have never seen it at a video > LW>store either, what's it about? being Carpenter it probably ROCKS! Was it a > LW>release from a major film company? > > Can't remember what company released it, but I can approximately > remember what was going on in that movie: > > 4 astronauts, completely being screwed up of the long life in a > spaceship, have task to destroy unstable planets (whatever that > "unstable" means). They do that with intelligent bombs, that among all > thigs, can talk and philosophise. ;-) They have also some > extraterrestrial pet resembling a beach ball with claws, which > mischievous behaviour one day causes the bomb cotrol units to blast. > Therefore the astronauts are left to mercy of the loose, smart-ass > talking bomb........ > > Watch the movie! What I wrote now is not very accurate, since it was a > long time ago, so I want again to find somewhere this movie. Anyway, > "Dark Star" could compete for the best debut movie made ever. > > Simplius > --- > * OLXWin 1.00b * And all the Borg left was this copy of Windows. Well ya sold me, this movie sounds to hilarious to be missed! Laj. From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Sat Nov 14 03:23:23 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 02:23:23 -0600 Subject: BOC: Jason's Questions Message-ID: Timothy G. Northrup wrote: > On Friday, November 13, 1998 3:44 AM, Laj Waldner [SMTP:erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM] wrote: > > Speaking of confusing, was searching around Barnes and Noble books online, and > > found a paper back BOC Cult Classic ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? I never heard of > > a Cult Classic book. Here's the address if you want to check this out: > > Since this is published by Hal Leonard Corp., I'm pretty sure this would be some kind of > guitar lessons built around BOC tunes, since teaching guitar is pretty much what they > publish. > > Just guessing though. > > -- Tim Hmmm, didn't know a Tab book was out for Cult Classic, I would of never ever guessed that they would in this day and age release a BOC song book, cool to know. I didn't realize that Hal Leonard was a publishing company specializing in Tab books, but now that I know it makes more sense :-). I was envisioning some "history of the band" book, or maybe a mistake, I stand corrected. Laj. From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Sat Nov 14 03:29:00 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 02:29:00 -0600 Subject: BOC: Jason's Questions Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 wrote: > > From: Laj Waldner > > > > > > Speaking of confusing, was searching around Barnes and Noble books online, and > > found a paper back BOC Cult Classic ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? I never heard of > > a Cult Classic book. Here's the address if you want to check this out: > > > > http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=5UPG13XTWS&mscssid=3CPQGWQJFJSH2G8R00LHRNKKGBR9RQML&sourceid=00000114760027700840&pcount=&stime=945849671&isbn=0793561302 > > > > Or go to , http://www.barnesandnoble.com/ and then, of coarse, search Blue > > Oyster Cult. > > > Are you referring to the songbook, with TAB diagrams, chord charts > etc.? This is a worthwhile book. Guitar parts are pretty > accurate... > > theo DOE, I mean ya, ya im referring to that, of coarse im referring to that, I knew about that honest ;-). Laj. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Sat Nov 14 03:31:06 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 02:31:06 -0600 Subject: BOC: Jason's Questions Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 wrote: > > From: "" > > > > I want 'Wings of Mercury'! If it's on this mythical KBFH disc, > > they've got my 13 bucks! I used to have it on a bootleg of an '86 > > show (Opening for...yuck...Rush in Binghamton) and I loved it! > > > > I believe it was written for the 'Hearin' Aid' project. Does anybody > > know why it eventually wasn't included on that album? > > > > -- Nick > > I've actually got Hear 'n' Aid! Can't remember the tune they play. > I believe EB and BD might actually be on another tune as well, as > backing players. The album's more cool for its cover art than the > disc inside! Hey, and whatta mean 'yuck?' Everyone knows Rush's the > greatest Canadian export since Old Vienna. I know because > adolescents of all ages have told me so! > > theo Is this Hear 'n Aid CD hard to locate? From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Sat Nov 14 03:37:32 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 02:37:32 -0600 Subject: BOC: Oysterboys vs. Canadian Trio's Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 wrote: > > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > > Sorry if I strayed off topic but I really love Triumph music. Rik is an > > amazing guitarist and like Buck has gotten better with age. Tommy Shaw and > > Jack Blades mad a strong pitch for Rik as lead guitarist for Damn Yankees > > before settling on Ted Nugent. > > Wow! What were those guys smoking? One lick, no brains, no voice > Ted [Nugent, not Jackson!] vs. Intelligent, decent vocalist, > extraordinary guitarist Rik--and they could have made a fortune on > the exchange rate paying him in US dollars! What kind of a choice > was that? > > I would LOVE to see Rik and Buck work > > together even if it were one song. Strange thing, there is a small Triumph > > mailing list and just about everbody on it agreed, if Rik were to do > > something with another guitarist Buck would be the best fit. Lots of BOC > > fans on that list. > > Well neither of those guys need another guitar player in their band. > I doubt they'd work very well together. Also, stylistically, they're > worlds apart. Rik specializes in anthemic, stadium rock/pop tunes > with admitedly jaw-dropping tasteful acoustic tunes dropped in there > now and again, while Buck is--well, Buck. No knocking Rik, who I > believe is also a virtuoso, it's just apples and oranges... > > > > > Funny mentioning the boot of BOC when they opened for Rush, just reminded me > > of yet another band that initially carried BOC's equipment, only to turn the > > tables a few years later. > > > > Offthoughts - I too believe that the Lost Boys was a superior Vampire movie. > > On the other end of the spectrum is the sad excuse for a George Clooney > > vehicle called "From Dusk 'til Dawn". > > Excuse me? That sad excuse was written by Quentin Tarantino, and is > a hillarious send-up of vampire flicks. IMHO, it's the only decent > thing Clooney's done, apart from the much awaited Thin Red Line... > > theo And the prequel to FDTD, is rumored to be released next year some time, and I also think there planing on a sequel too. Laj. From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Sat Nov 14 03:56:22 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 03:56:22 EST Subject: OFF: From Dusk 'Til Dawn Message-ID: I thought Tom Savini got the two best lines, my fave being "Now let's go kill that fucking band" :-) From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Sat Nov 14 07:04:11 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 06:04:11 -0600 Subject: OFF: From Dusk 'Til Dawn Message-ID: Chris Baker wrote: > I thought Tom Savini got the two best lines, my fave being > "Now let's go kill that fucking band" :-) A great line. Was watching, I think it was Movie Magic, had a story on special effects and they had Tom Savini showing of some of his creations, I guess he also did the effects on "Day of the Dead", To mention another great bunch of horror classics, the Night of the Living Dead movies :-). Laj. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sat Nov 14 08:26:20 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 13:26:20 -0000 Subject: OFF: Man, London, tomorrow Message-ID: Who else is up for this then? - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From StevenTice at AOL.COM Sat Nov 14 16:18:44 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:18:44 EST Subject: Cult Classic Message-ID: This book contains transcriptions of the complete guitar and vocal lines for all of the songs on that album, along with tablature. It's actually pretty well done...now if only they'd included the bass lines...:-) Plus, there are a few black and white photos of the band. They also screwed up the lyrics in a few places, and credited Donald Roeser instead of Albert Bouchard for writing This Ain't the Summer of Love... SET From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sat Nov 14 16:50:39 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 21:50:39 +0000 Subject: OFF: Man, London, tomorrow In-Reply-To: <000001be0fd2$5de39fa0$963f63c3@default> Message-ID: At 13:26 14/11/98 -0000, you wrote: >Who else is up for this then? > >- Andy > >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > > > Unfortunately, kid-patrol intervenes again >:-{(> News gleaned from friends who went to see them at Dudley: Apparently, one of the bands will be a "second generation" Man, consisting of offspring of messrs. Ace, Jones & Leonard; Alkatraz will also be on the bill. I REALLY wish I could go! ChrisW ObCD: Spiritualized/Royal Albert Hall Free your mind & watch your ass! From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sat Nov 14 17:43:55 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 22:43:55 -0000 Subject: OFF: Man, London, tomorrow In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981114215039.008148b0@mail.clara.net> Message-ID: > > > Unfortunately, kid-patrol intervenes again >:-{(> > Bummer! I was counting on you! :) > News gleaned from friends who went to see them at Dudley: > > Apparently, one of the bands will be a "second generation" Man, consisting > of offspring of messrs. Ace, Jones & Leonard; Alkatraz will also be on the > bill. > What are they called? "Boy"? I'll let you know if Ace plays his tuba again! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Nov 14 20:58:15 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 01:58:15 +0000 Subject: OFF: Man, London, tomorrow In-Reply-To: <000001be0fd2$5de39fa0$963f63c3@default> Message-ID: On Sat, 14 Nov 1998, Andy Gilham wrote: > Who else is up for this then? I'll be there, armed with a twenty-quid note to pay you back with... Yours, Jon -- /----------------------------------------------------------\ | Jonathan Jarrett Pembroke College | | jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk Cambridge | | 01223 338100 CB2 1RF | |----------------------------------------------------------| | "Wilhelm Reich died for your sins" (ST37) | \----------------------------------------------------------/ From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sat Nov 14 18:31:34 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 23:31:34 +0000 Subject: Power suit Armour In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 12:29 12/11/98 +0000, you wrote: >In article <199811111916.TAA25158 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, J Strobridge > writes >>I'm sure he's also the guy who wrote the book entitled "Text of >>Festival" I've got it somewhere around. >> >>jill > >yup, that's him > >"Ballad Of Phaid The Gambler" was my fave, tho. >-- >Jon > Ik ook ChrisW > > Free your mind & watch your ass! From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Nov 15 11:18:31 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 16:18:31 +0000 Subject: HW: Cover Art Message-ID: Well, as promised I've finally got round to posting some HW covers on my web site. You can go direct to the thumbnails page at; http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/hwind.html and start downloading those jpegs. As with the MH I've went for the more obscure ones with a couple of classics. I must admit that I'm still using the Overkill artwork as my office wallpaper and it really hacks people off. It'll probably be Lord Of Light this week. Z -- Zeitgeist - Reflections Of the Underground PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From mrippa at MEDIASAT.IT Sun Nov 15 13:09:31 1998 From: mrippa at MEDIASAT.IT (Massimo Rippa) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 19:09:31 +0100 Subject: OFF: test Message-ID: Sorry, test From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sun Nov 15 17:51:45 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:51:45 GMT Subject: HW: Hawkwind trivia Message-ID: What year was the film Forbidden Planet released? I was (just happened to be...) watching the start of this space chestnut tonight and realised that the burbling sounds as the spacecraft approaches Altair 4 are identical to the burbling sounds at the start of "Silver Machine". There has to be a link! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Nov 15 19:04:26 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 00:04:26 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind trivia In-Reply-To: <199811152251.WAA17889@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > What year was the film Forbidden Planet released? I was (just > happened to be...) watching the start of this space chestnut > tonight and realised that the burbling sounds as the spacecraft > approaches Altair 4 are identical to the burbling sounds at the > start of "Silver Machine". There has to be a link! > > jill 1956. That "wup-wup-wup" sound is *really* easy to make with an old analogue synth... - Andy ObGig: Man! More in the morning... Chris, you should kick yerself! :) mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sun Nov 15 21:14:14 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 02:14:14 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind trivia In-Reply-To: <199811152251.WAA17889@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 22:51 15/11/98 GMT, you wrote: >What year was the film Forbidden Planet released? I was (just >happened to be...) watching the start of this space chestnut >tonight and realised that the burbling sounds as the spacecraft >approaches Altair 4 are identical to the burbling sounds at the >start of "Silver Machine". There has to be a link! > >jill If memory serves me correctly, it dates from 1956. IMHO one of the finest SF films ever made (with a little help from the Bard of Avon *g*) Konnoisseurs of elektronika hold the soundtrack of FP in the highest regard:- it was years ahead of its time! ChrisW Free your mind & watch your ass! From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Nov 15 22:25:17 1998 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:25:17 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: the new album Message-ID: Brian and friends: >Any update on the new album? How is everything coming together? Throw us a >bone here- two months is a long time to wait! ;-) OK OK already! You made me feel so guilty about not working on it that I spent today and last night finishing up four more tracks. Now we have 5 finished tracks with rough mixes. I can't do finals yet because I decided to upgrade to mac OS 8.5 and my Performer software (that I use for mixing) doesn't work anymore. Bummer! MOTU (makers of Performer) are working to help me with a work around so I should be automated again soon. Anyway, as a result I'm now facing a week of classes with almost no homework done and it's all your fault! I hope you're satisfied. OTOH last week in between classes (I was going four nights and all day Saturdays) I wrote a couple new tunes with David Roter that we're going to debut this Saturday at Arlene's Grocery in NYC. Should be a good show. The band is killer with me, Joe, Jack Rigg and Pete Bohovesky backing the outrageous DR. Al From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Nov 15 22:27:53 1998 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:27:53 -0500 Subject: BOC: OYFOOYK Question Message-ID: >As to exactly who is Arthur Levy, and what was he smoking when he wrote >some of the liner notes...well, maybe Albert can lend some insight. BTW, >Albert, do you hate it when I volunteer you for these things? ;-) Arthur is a friend who worked for Columbia for many years. He's no longer there. I first met him when he was the editor of Zoo World, a music magazine in Florida. He introduced me to the great cartoonist Bode. From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Sun Nov 15 23:38:03 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:38:03 -0600 Subject: Cult Classic Message-ID: Steven Tice wrote: > This book contains transcriptions of the complete guitar and vocal lines for > all of the songs on that album, along with tablature. It's actually pretty > well done...now if only they'd included the bass lines...:-) Plus, there are > a few black and white photos of the band. They also screwed up the lyrics in > a few places, and credited Donald Roeser instead of Albert Bouchard for > writing This Ain't the Summer of Love... > > SET But did they remember the umlauts? Laj. From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Nov 16 01:48:33 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (The Automind) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:48:33 PST Subject: OFF: Dark Star Message-ID: >Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 02:13:50 -0600 >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >From: Laj Waldner >Subject: Re: OFF: Dark Star >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > >Goran Janicijevic wrote: > >> Laj Waldner wrote: >> >> LW>Ya know, I have never seen "Dark Star", I have never seen it at a video >> LW>store either, what's it about? being Carpenter it probably ROCKS! Was it a >> LW>release from a major film company? >> >> Can't remember what company released it, but I can approximately >> remember what was going on in that movie: >> >> 4 astronauts, completely being screwed up of the long life in a >> spaceship, have task to destroy unstable planets (whatever that >> "unstable" means). They do that with intelligent bombs, that among all >> thigs, can talk and philosophise. ;-) They have also some >> extraterrestrial pet resembling a beach ball with claws, which >> mischievous behaviour one day causes the bomb cotrol units to blast. >> Therefore the astronauts are left to mercy of the loose, smart-ass >> talking bomb........ >> >> Watch the movie! What I wrote now is not very accurate, since it was a >> long time ago, so I want again to find somewhere this movie. Anyway, >> "Dark Star" could compete for the best debut movie made ever. >> >> Simplius >> --- >> * OLXWin 1.00b * And all the Borg left was this copy of Windows. > > >Well ya sold me, this movie sounds to hilarious to be missed! > >Laj. Oh, definitely! It's alarmingly easy to find too- I got it at Blockbuster for christ's sake! The above description is accurate too (I've seen the movie three times so far in the last year). I'm sure someone could find a reason to hate it, but it's been a hit with everyone I've shown it too. The greatest thing about it is how it manages to look so trippy on such a low budget, and it's got this real smart-ass, campy sense of humor to it. It's actually very well directed and seems to have made a big impression on future space/SF movies. You can notice quite a few scenes that films like Star Wars and Aliens did take-offs of (like the close-up shot of the long spaceship going by, R2-D2's head coming out of the top, and then the alien zipping through the corridors). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Mon Nov 16 02:12:53 1998 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 02:12:53 EST Subject: HW: HW CDs for sale on NG Message-ID: ...from the newsgroup...as usual, _I cannot vouch_... Subject: FS/.......HAWKWIND..........CDS From: scarabrec at aol.com (Scarab Rec) Date: Sun, Nov 15, 1998 23:13 EST Message-id: <19981115231327.00293.00002120 at ng124.aol.com> Hawkwind-Undisclosed Files Addendum,great collection of the classics, Griffin,US.......$8.00 Early Daze-nice live comp. of songs from their 1st two years,7 tracks, DemiMonde,UK......$8.00 Hawklords-Live,recorded live in 78',Griffin,US.....$8.00 Out+Intake-13 tracks,Griffin,US....................$8.00 Area54-four new songs,95' release,EmergencyBroadcastSystem,UK...$5.00 Mighty Hawkwind Classics-1980-85,12 tracks,Griffin,US....$7.00 Church Of..-94'release,15 tracks,new stuff!,Griffin,US....$8.00 Electric Tepee-78 minutes long,93'release,Griffin,US......$8.00 It Is The Business Of The Future To Be Dangerous-12 tracks,94' release, Griffin,US....$8.00 The Business Trip ''Live'',15 tracks,recorded on UK tour in 93',Griffin, US.....$8.00 Zones-comp.12 tracks,Griffin,US...........$8.00 25 Years On-77-86,15 tracks on this collection,Griffin,US....$8.00 25 Years On-87-94,12 track collection,Griffin,US......$8.00 Friends&Relations,The Rarities-15 tracks,Griffin,US...$6.00 Best Of Hawkwind,Friends&Relations-16 tracks of Hawkwind,solo projects +more,Griffin,US....$6.00 ALL CD'S ARE NEW NEVER PLAYED,SOME MAY HAVE TORN SHRINK WRAP OR CRACKED JEWELCASE.THESE ARE LEFT OVERS FROM A STORE THAT CLOSED! E-MAIL TO RESERVE ScarabRec at aol.com From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Sun Nov 15 23:43:51 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 04:43:51 +0000 Subject: BOC: Oysterboys vs. Canadian Trio's Message-ID: > > > Offthoughts - I too believe that the Lost Boys was a superior Vampire movie. > > > On the other end of the spectrum is the sad excuse for a George Clooney > > > vehicle called "From Dusk 'til Dawn". > > > > Excuse me? That sad excuse was written by Quentin Tarantino, and is > > a hillarious send-up of vampire flicks. IMHO, it's the only decent > > thing Clooney's done, apart from the much awaited Thin Red Line... Probably shouldn't throw my hat into the ring, but I will anyway: I hated FDTD, too...and I really think Tarantino is totally overrated. His idea of cutting edge is to throw in more 70s references than a Brady Bunch movie. He's far from the first writer/director to do the kind of stuff he does...he's just the first one to break into the mainstream. -- Nick From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Nov 16 05:33:40 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:33:40 -0000 Subject: OFF: Man - Welsh Convention Message-ID: Yesterday's Man gig was a real family affair - I missed the opening band, teenage sons of Messrs Jones etc, who (I gather) played various punk-style stuff including a rendering of "My Heart Will Go On"... They were followed by an enjoyable young-ish pub-rock band who might have been called "Mechagodzilla". Next was a treat - the first gig for 22 years of Martin Ace and the Flying Aces, featuring Martin's wife (George?). Pure nostalgia, but not half bad either. Followed by a Welsh space/pub-rock outfit called The Green Ray (as in the Eric Rohmer film, not as in Green Day :). Hampered by the guitars going hopelessly out of tune, they would have been pretty good otherwise! Never mind. However this was followed by a most surprising turn, as three girl singers in matching outfits took the stage, and launched into "The Clapping Song"! Say what? Only the presence of Ace and Leonard in the backing group made it clear that this was, in fact, meant to be happening. The band introductions made everything clear: I think I've got the names right - Jo Ace, Liz Leonard, and Cindy Williams... They were great! Full-on renditions of 60's girl-band classics, from "Da Doo Ron Ron" to "Dancing in the Street" by way of "California Dreamin'". Miss Ace has inherited her father's knack for stage banter. "Wasn't it great to see my mother on stage? Really brought a tear to my eye. Because my father was fucking terrible!" Martin was standing right behind her. They call themselvers "Crystal Blue Persuasion", probably because it's a really long name. I was quite taken with Deke's daughter but decided an approach would be inappropriate. He'd just signed my _Live at the Star Club 1998_, anyway. Next up, Alkatraz. I think this was their first show for a bloody long time, too, but it didn't show - they were very good indeed. Didn't a couple of these guys used to be in Man? A similar sound to 70's Man, whatever, received very enthusiastically. And at last, Man. What can I say that hasn't been said? As befits a band on their thirtieth anniversary, they're almost telepathically together, their long rambling jams have been honed into precise compositions of real beauty. No surprises in the setlist, but hey. Jones' son joined for the first encore (Jones: "Cheeky bugger!" Jones junior: "Short arse, short arse!"), and looked as if he knew what he was about. The current line-up's got a few years left in 'em, but the future of the Man band is assured! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 16 04:40:06 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:40:06 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind trivia In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981116021414.008858e0@mail.clara.net> Message-ID: In article <3.0.5.32.19981116021414.008858e0 at mail.clara.net>, Chris Warburton writes >Konnoisseurs of elektronika hold the soundtrack of FP in the highest >regard:- it was years ahead of its time! and can be supplied at a discount by......me. sorry, couldn't resist...:) -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Nov 16 04:39:01 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:39:01 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind trivia In-Reply-To: <000001be10f4$acc970e0$1c2d63c3@default> Message-ID: In article <000001be10f4$acc970e0$1c2d63c3 at default>, Andy Gilham writes > >1956. > >That "wup-wup-wup" sound is *really* easy to make with an old analogue >synth... > >- Andy Soundtrack's just been re-issued on all formats. Mmm '50's analogue burbles on mint vinyl.... -- Jon From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Nov 16 10:36:49 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:36:49 -0500 Subject: BOC: OYFOOYK Question Message-ID: >I know that BD was quoted years ago as saying he thought "On Your Feet..." would have been better as a single album than a double. Hmm... most of us would probably have prefered if OYFOOYK was a TRIPLE album than a double! :-) John From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Nov 16 10:41:31 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:41:31 -0600 Subject: BOC: Random thoughts post Message-ID: >BOC opened for Triumph? Where was this, in Toronto? I'm from the northeast, not far from Canada, and Triumph only played in this area once, around 1980 I'd say, and it was in a small theatre. Heheheeh thats your choice to live as far away from civilization as you can possibly get. I'm no tour guru and don't track such things however there are such people on the Triumph list and yes, on more than one occassion BOC opened for Triumph. > BOC, OTOH, played here throughout the 70s and 80s--all the time, and consistently played big arenas, usually selling them out. Maybe in some parts of the country Triumph was a big deal, but not up here. Agreed but how many bands were truly national/international? In those days maybe Aerosmith and Kiss but certainly BOC could sell out selective arenas and not draw 10 people to others. I believe Triumph was huge in the midwestern part of the US. They were probably bigger here than in Maple Leaf land. >BTW, I kind of liked Triumph [at least Ric's guitar playing] but somebody's smoking something really great if they ever though Triumph were a bigger group than BOC. Maybe after Al left BOC? That's a possibility... Well I have fooled around with five leaves and occassionally an old tennis shoe (don't knock it till youy try it) but the "facts is da facts" in a manner of speaking. How do you want to rank this? Number of records (entire catalog) sold? Number of gold or Platiniums? Number of years headlinging large arenas? Anyone know if this type of information is on-line. Here's the bet Theo let make it total sales. If I'm right you give me an autographed guitar from your collection. If you right I send you a pound of old tennis shoes scraps for your bong. 8>) >Wow! What were those guys smoking? One lick, no brains, no voice Ted [Nugent, not Jackson!] vs. Intelligent, decent vocalist, extraordinary guitarist Rik--and they could have made a fortune on the exchange rate paying him in US dollars! What kind of a choice was that? Hmmm re-read what I wrote, and thought the phrase "settling on Ted Nugent" would have made this clear. Tommy and Jack didn't decide to take Ted over Rik, Rik turned them down. He didn't want to do it. >I would LOVE to see Rik and Buck work together even if it were one song. >Well neither of those guys need another guitar player in their band. I doubt they'd work very well together. Also, stylistically, they're worlds apart. Rik specializes in anthemic, stadium rock/pop tunes with admitedly jaw-dropping tasteful acoustic tunes dropped in there now and again, while Buck is--well, Buck. No knocking Rik, who I believe is also a virtuoso, it's just apples and oranges... I wasn't thinking of them starting a band together or Rik joining BOC. Nope more like sit in a room, check out each others styles and do some collaborating. Granted you play guitar and I don't but I think the opposite styles is exactly why this would work. Both are virtuosos and both have enough confidence in their abilities that they could reasonably compare notes and play some songs. As for Rik and his arena band leaning I'd advise you to dig deep into some of Triumphs music, Rik played far more than that. Two striking examples Blinding Light Show/Moonchild. Rik brought this record to the group from his previous band. Check out how progressive that was back in 72-74. Also take a good hard listen to Thunder Seven. Yeah he did a lot of Arena rock and pop, but Triumph did a fair amount of "band writing". One reason why he lost the lawsuit initaited by his former bandmates and no longer has rights to a fair amount of songs he was intrumental in writing. FDTD - Here's why I thought this one sucked. 1. A QT horror movie? Don't work. Resovior Dogs, Jackie Brown and Pulp Fiction are as good as its gonna get for QT. He's no Spielberg. 2. Formulaic. Ever since Die Hard people have been cramping action movies into tighter and tighter spaces. Call it Action Movie in a box syndrome. The only way they can try and improve themselves is higher body count. 3. Did this thing even have a credible story line? 4. George Clooney, George Clooney George Clooney. When Nicole Kidman can out act you...well nuff said on that. Ghost in the Ruins OBCD Endangered Speicies - Y&T (Think Earthshaker/Black Tiger/Meanstrerak era Y&T) From cando at HIGHFIBER.COM Mon Nov 16 11:09:31 1998 From: cando at HIGHFIBER.COM (James H. Coburn) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:09:31 -0700 Subject: BRAIN: the new album Message-ID: Hi Al, Thanks for the update on the new album/CD. You wrote: -----Original Message----- From: Albert T Bouchard To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Sunday, November 15, 1998 8:18 PM Subject: Re: BRAIN: the new album > . . . Anyway, as >a result I'm now facing a week of classes with almost no homework done and >it's all your fault! I hope you're satisfied. > >OTOH last week in between classes (I was going four nights and all day >Saturdays) What is it you're studying? I'm curious what other interests you have (and you can wait until you have your homework done before you reply). Thanks. James Coburn Albuq., NM From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 16 10:44:00 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:44:00 EDT Subject: BOC: Random thoughts post In-Reply-To: <199811161546.IAA01653@docws002.shl.com> Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > > Hmmm re-read what I wrote, and thought the phrase "settling on Ted Nugent" > would have made this clear. Tommy and Jack didn't decide to take Ted over > Rik, Rik turned them down. He didn't want to do it. > Well, glad Rik had enough class to turn down a big money-no music project like that one. Better to be poor and have one's honor intact... > FDTD - Here's why I thought this one sucked. > > 1. A QT horror movie? Don't work. Resovior Dogs, Jackie Brown and Pulp > Fiction are as good as its gonna get for QT. He's no Spielberg. > Well I'd say Spielberg's no QT! QT can make Pulp Fiction for 4 million dollars and have a flick light years ahead of SS's big bucks, high tech kiddie movies. I wouldn't cross the street to see a SS flick [Private Ryan an obvious exception, I'll admit] but I'd be on line ahead of everyone to see a QT flick--hell I saw Jackie Brown on Xmas last year! Too bad THAT flick wasn't better... > > 4. George Clooney, George Clooney George Clooney. When Nicole Kidman can > out act you...well nuff said on that. > Don't sell her short. Watch To Die For, and I think you'll agree she's a helluva actor. And I think if Kubrick likes her acting talent, that might tell ya something... theo From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Mon Nov 16 12:14:33 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:14:33 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: the new album Message-ID: Thanks for the update, Al. I feel much better now. Al explains: >OK OK already! You made me feel so guilty about not working on it that I >spent today and last night finishing up four more tracks. Nothing like a guilt trip to get things moving ;-) >Now we have 5 finished tracks with rough mixes. I can't do finals yet because I decided >to upgrade to mac OS 8.5 and my Performer software (that I use for mixing) >doesn't work anymore. Bummer! MOTU (makers of Performer) are working to >help me with a work around so I should be automated again soon. Definate bummer. Good luck. >Anyway, as a result I'm now facing a week of classes with almost no homework done and >it's all your fault! I hope you're satisfied. Very. But hey, from now on school comes first. We don't want to be responsible for making you have to take summer school (interrupting any possible touring....) >OTOH last week in between classes (I was going four nights and all day >Saturdays) I wrote a couple new tunes with David Roter that we're going to >debut this Saturday at Arlene's Grocery in NYC. Should be a good show. The >band is killer with me, Joe, Jack Rigg and Pete Bohovesky backing the >outrageous DR. What's the word on David Roter releasing any new (or old) material? Just trying to disrupt his life as much as possible, you know. ;-) Brian ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html -The new Fierce Wicker electronic showroom "Cogitating with a twist of lemon." -Fierce Wicker ---------- From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Mon Nov 16 13:11:47 1998 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:11:47 -0800 Subject: BOC: OYFOOYK Question Message-ID: Al wrote: > Arthur is a friend who worked for Columbia for many years. He's no longer > there. I first met him when he was the editor of Zoo World, a music > magazine in Florida. He introduced me to the great cartoonist Bode. I know Arthur through my wife, who worked with him at Columbia in the 80's. Besides having an encyclopedic knowledge of rock history, he's one of the cooler people you will ever meet. And given the fact that his liner notes were generally positive, and that BOC (despite their once-great stature) is now clearly a band that needs all the help it can get, I'm somewhat baffled at the slagging he has received on this list and elsewhere (esp. from the band's sycophantic cheerleader Bolle). All over insignificant trivia no less. Chris Disclaimer: I don't speak for Sony. From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Mon Nov 16 12:20:00 1998 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:20:00 GMT Subject: OFF: Tarantino In-Reply-To: <199811160941.EAA20779@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: E>Probably shouldn't throw my hat into the ring, but I will anyway: I E>hated FDTD, too...and I really think Tarantino is totally overrated. E>His idea of cutting edge is to throw in more 70s references than a E>Brady Bunch movie. He's far from the first writer/director to do the E>kind of stuff he does...he's just the first one to break into the E>mainstream. Tarantino is overrated, but it's shown with latter movies, not with FDTD (BTW, it's his pal's Rodriguez movie). Anyway, his idea of cutting edge isn't 70's references, but to make exhilarating scenes when there is whole lotta nasty bloodshed. Simplius --- * OLXWin 1.00b * Iraqi Bingo: F-14, B-2, F-11, B-52 From hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU Mon Nov 16 13:54:21 1998 From: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU (hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:54:21 -0600 Subject: OFF: Tarantino In-Reply-To: <370F997B46DCB675.simplius@softhome.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Nov 1998, Goran Janicijevic wrote: > Tarantino is overrated, but it's shown with latter movies, not with FDTD > (BTW, it's his pal's Rodriguez movie). Anyway, his idea of cutting edge > isn't 70's references, but to make exhilarating scenes when there is > whole lotta nasty bloodshed. > > Simplius I think that it is useful to separate media hype out of the equation that equals being overrated. Tarantino has done fresh, original, if not poetic work. Whether he is talented enough to sustain a career is an open question. But his early movies are classics, regardless. The technique of using references to other sources is a postmodern technique in general; what is somewhat fresh is the source material: a bunch of b-movies that the cognoscetti have disregarded over the years. Regardless of the freshness of the technique, Tarantino has demonstrated that he is good at it. Second, as far as the bloodshed, I don't think his movies are necessarily more violent than others, or more bloody. I think that it is the tone the movies take towards the violence: matter-of-fact, playful, funny. Such a tone makes us experience violence in unexpected ways that make it "show up" for us in ways we are unaccustomed to, primarily because we have become so inured to it. I think that Tarantino is to be applauded for this. However, if these are the only tricks he has up his sleeve, then he seems to have played them out. But I suspect that he has more... but only time will tell. Does anyone know what his next projects are? -thomas From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 16 12:54:24 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:54:24 EDT Subject: OFF: Tarantino In-Reply-To: <370F997B46DCB675.simplius@softhome.net> Message-ID: > From: Goran Janicijevic > > > Tarantino is overrated, but it's shown with latter movies, not with FDTD > (BTW, it's his pal's Rodriguez movie). Anyway, his idea of cutting edge > isn't 70's references, but to make exhilarating scenes when there is > whole lotta nasty bloodshed. > That's funny...There isn't one drop of blood anywhere in Jackie Brown, and what little bloodshed that occurs in his other 2 flicks is mainly IMPLIED. Indeed he IS using a filmic device from the old days, i.e. making the audience imagine the violence, something that today's filmmakers lack the talent to achieve. Not that I consider FDTD some kind of grand filmmaking, and, as you noted, he only wrote the screenplay. Where QT IS exhilirating, is in his ability to draw great performances out of otherwise lesser actors, and in his ability to construct excellent dialogue. The guy can write a true screenplay, a real script, where almost nobody else can nowadays. Notable exceptions being the Cohen brothers, and precious few others... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 16 13:18:29 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:18:29 EDT Subject: OFF: Tarantino In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU > On Mon, 16 Nov 1998, Goran Janicijevic wrote: > > Tarantino is overrated, but it's shown with latter movies, not with FDTD > > (BTW, it's his pal's Rodriguez movie). Anyway, his idea of cutting edge > > isn't 70's references, but to make exhilarating scenes when there is > > whole lotta nasty bloodshed. > > > > Simplius > > I think that it is useful to separate media hype out of the equation that > equals being overrated. Tarantino has done fresh, original, if not poetic > work. Whether he is talented enough to sustain a career is an open > question. But his early movies are classics, regardless. > > The technique of using references to other sources is a postmodern > technique in general; what is somewhat fresh is the source material: a > bunch of b-movies that the cognoscetti have disregarded over the years. > Regardless of the freshness of the technique, Tarantino has demonstrated > that he is good at it. Second, as far as the bloodshed, I don't think his > movies are necessarily more violent than others, or more bloody. I think > that it is the tone the movies take towards the violence: matter-of-fact, > playful, funny. Such a tone makes us experience violence in unexpected > ways that make it "show up" for us in ways we are unaccustomed to, > primarily because we have become so inured to it. I think that Tarantino > is to be applauded for this. > You said a huge mouthful here. It's refreshing to hear from someone who actually 'gets' modern filmmaking. QT and BOC both require one to use one's head, although they both seem to pick up fans for other reasons... theo From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Mon Nov 16 08:21:09 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:21:09 +0000 Subject: HW: Interstellar Overdrive In-Reply-To: <000b01be0f13$fba2d360$8d433bcb@xl5> Message-ID: William writes: >Hi all > >Has anyone heard the CD that comes with the Pink Floyd Encyclopedia book >that features Hawkwind doing Interstellar Overdrive? For those who don't >know what I'm talking about, check this page:- > >http://www.cgpublishing.com/pinkenc.htm Isn't this the version that was done by Nik Turner, a few years back, (or was that "Careful with that Axe Eugene?" Guy From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Mon Nov 16 10:15:15 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:15:15 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind trivia / Forbidden Planet / Krel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I just thought that I would add a littke ditty here about Forbidden Plannet !! For those of you who appreciate KREL, (the world's most-under-rated-space-rock-band!) whilst they were supporting Hawkwind, on the 1992 Teepee-tour, they played a tape of the following section, taken from the film, as the intro to one of the trax, "Space Trip" (I think?): "In times long past, this planet was the home of a mighty and noble race of beings which called themselves "The Krel". Ethically, as well as technologically, they were a million years ahead of humankind, in unlocking the mysteries of nature. And when in the course of aeons they had abolished sickness, insanity and crime and all injustice , they turned with high benevolence outwards towards space....." Interestingly, Mr. Dibs used the same section on the Spacehead CD, but edited-out the bit: "which called themselves "The Krel" ". Not surprising, as he had been sacked from KREL !!!!!!! Guy T. (Krel fan No. 1) From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Nov 16 16:32:51 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 16:32:51 -0500 Subject: BOC: OYFOOYK Question Message-ID: >I'm somewhat baffled at the slagging he has received on this list and elsewhere (esp. from the band's sycophantic cheerleader Bolle). All over insignificant trivia no less. As far as Bolle is concerned, he didn't appreciate what he felt were outright LIES regarding Eric singing the entire setlist in Japanese - since Bolle spent something like $200 years ago tracking down tapes of BOC's tour in Japan back in '78 or '79. As the maintainer of the largest collection of "insignificant trivia" (the FAQ) on BOC, I can understand Bolle's position. However, I did not mean for my comments to come of as "slagging" Arthur Levy - I don't claim to know him - my "what was he smoking" comment was meant as a joke. Sorry to anyone who was offended. John From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Nov 16 16:43:34 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:43:34 +0000 Subject: BOC: OYFOOYK Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 22:27 15/11/98 -0500, Al wrote: > >Arthur is a friend who worked for Columbia for many years. He's no longer >there. I first met him when he was the editor of Zoo World, a music >magazine in Florida. He introduced me to the great cartoonist Bode. > I just re-read a whole bunch of old Cheech Wizard/Yellow Hat strips when I found a box of Epic comics in my closet - huge giggles: So inevitably, I wonder what the author was like... ChrisW Free your mind & watch your ass! From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Nov 16 16:51:21 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:51:21 +0000 Subject: BOC: Random thoughts post In-Reply-To: <1744112FDE@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: At 11:44 16/11/98 EDT, you wrote: >> >> 4. George Clooney, George Clooney George Clooney. When Nicole Kidman can >> out act you...well nuff said on that. >> >Don't sell her short. Watch To Die For, and I think you'll agree >she's a helluva actor. And I think if Kubrick likes her acting >talent, that might tell ya something... > >theo She's also been knocking them dead on stage in a small theatre in London in a play called "The Blue Room" - a modern re-working of "La Ronde" I believe. ChrisW Free your mind & watch your ass! From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Nov 16 17:18:32 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 22:18:32 +0000 Subject: OFF: Man - Welsh Convention In-Reply-To: <000001be114c$93deee40$ba2f63c3@default> Message-ID: In full blown bitter & twisted mode, but still able to contribute ;-{P> At 10:33 16/11/98 -0000, Andy wrote: > >Next was a treat - the first gig for 22 years of Martin Ace and the Flying >Aces, featuring Martin's wife (George?). Pure nostalgia, but not half bad >either. > Yes, it's George. > >Next up, Alkatraz. I think this was their first show for a bloody long >time, too, but it didn't show - they were very good indeed. Didn't a couple >of these guys used to be in Man? A similar sound to 70's Man, whatever, >received very enthusiastically. > Alkatraz was founded by Will Youatt, bass player from the "Back In to The Future" incarnation of the band. I don't think any of the other (original) members were Man alumni, although I think there were connections into the "Family Jungle". We could do with having Pete Frame resurrecting and enlarging upon his "Rhinos, Winos, Lunatic, Playboys Bums & Me" family tree that he did for ZigZag! > >And at last, Man. What can I say that hasn't been said? As befits a band >on their thirtieth anniversary, they're almost telepathically together, >their long rambling jams have been honed into precise compositions of real >beauty. No surprises in the setlist, but hey. Jones' son joined for the >first encore (Jones: "Cheeky bugger!" Jones junior: "Short arse, short >arse!"), and looked as if he knew what he was about. The current line-up's >got a few years left in 'em, but the future of the Man band is assured! > I swear I'm jinxed this year - everything worth seeing since June has clashed with my fatherly responsibilities! I'm glad it was a good'un (BASTARDS!) ChrisW Free your mind & watch your ass! From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Mon Nov 16 18:54:57 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:54:57 -0600 Subject: BOC: Random thoughts post Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 wrote: > > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > > > > > Hmmm re-read what I wrote, and thought the phrase "settling on Ted Nugent" > > would have made this clear. Tommy and Jack didn't decide to take Ted over > > Rik, Rik turned them down. He didn't want to do it. > > > Well, glad Rik had enough class to turn down a big money-no music > project like that one. Better to be poor and have one's honor > intact... > > > FDTD - Here's why I thought this one sucked. > > > > 1. A QT horror movie? Don't work. Resovior Dogs, Jackie Brown and Pulp > > Fiction are as good as its gonna get for QT. He's no Spielberg. > > > Well I'd say Spielberg's no QT! QT can make Pulp Fiction for 4 > million dollars and have a flick light years ahead of SS's big bucks, > high tech kiddie movies. I wouldn't cross the street to see a SS > flick [Private Ryan an obvious exception, I'll admit] but I'd be on > line ahead of everyone to see a QT flick--hell I saw Jackie Brown on > Xmas last year! Too bad THAT flick wasn't better... > Yes, the style of QT allows him to make the movies he does for considerably less money than other movies who's plot relies heavily on special effects. It's always going to be cheaper, and from a purely technical aspect, easier to make a drama with little or no special effects. Don't get me wrong I love Tarantino, he's one of the few directors that actually has a completely original style, but I think you selling Spielberg short. Granted Spielberg has had a few bombs, like "Batteries Not Included", that movie was an awful piece of garbage if I ever saw one, but I think most of his work is grand. Tarantino is probably one of the most creative screenwriters of all time, the only negative impact he has ever had on me where the times I have seen Tarantino "inspired" scenes in other movies, for example that "Suicide Kings" movie, it was actually a pretty cool movie except for those scenes with Dennis Leary talking about his Manta Ray boots, there was 30 min that could of been cut out of that movie, and if Tarantino would of never been born 30 min which would of never been in there to begin with. > > > > 4. George Clooney, George Clooney George Clooney. When Nicole Kidman can > > out act you...well nuff said on that. > > > Don't sell her short. Watch To Die For, and I think you'll agree > she's a helluva actor. And I think if Kubrick likes her acting > talent, that might tell ya something... > > theo From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Nov 16 19:14:50 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 00:14:50 -0000 Subject: BOC: Random thoughts post In-Reply-To: <3650BB51.5327F03A@dlcwest.com> Message-ID: > original style, but I think you selling Spielberg short. Granted > Spielberg has > had a few bombs, like "Batteries Not Included", that movie was an > awful piece of > garbage if I ever saw one, but I think most of his work is grand. _*Batteries Not Included_ was directed by Matthew Robbins, although Spielberg was executive producer - it was originally intended as an episode of "Steven Spielberg's Amazing Stories". Imagine if Arthur Levy had made such a mistake when writing about the Blue Oyster Cult! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Mon Nov 16 23:11:19 1998 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:11:19 +1100 Subject: HW: Interstellar Overdrive In-Reply-To: <9009211316111998/A07127/LNMV02/11CB83550800*@MHS> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of LN1GJT > Sent: Monday, 16 November 1998 11:21 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: HW: Interstellar Overdrive > > > William writes: > >Hi all > > > >Has anyone heard the CD that comes with the Pink Floyd Encyclopedia book > >that features Hawkwind doing Interstellar Overdrive? For those who don't > >know what I'm talking about, check this page:- > > > >http://www.cgpublishing.com/pinkenc.htm > > Isn't this the version that was done by Nik Turner, a few years > back, (or was > that "Careful with that Axe Eugene?" The thing you are talking about is probably the one done by Spiral Realms, which I think was on the "Saucerfull of Pink" Cleopatra compilation and also on "Solar Wind". The one on "Solar Wind" has Simon's ever so witty "Interstellar Overdraft" title. Well, sort of... - Max Wilcox From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Nov 16 23:37:17 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 04:37:17 +0000 Subject: OFF: Tarantino Message-ID: > that he is good at it. Second, as far as the bloodshed, I don't think his > movies are necessarily more violent than others, or more bloody. I think > that it is the tone the movies take towards the violence: matter-of-fact, > playful, funny. Such a tone makes us experience violence in unexpected > ways that make it "show up" for us in ways we are unaccustomed to, > primarily because we have become so inured to it. I think that Tarantino > is to be applauded for this. Again, I say he is in no way the first. To me, he's just the first independent filmaker to pull in major mainstream success. Scores of others, from Romero to Raimi, Abel Ferrera, Lloyd Kaufman, John McNaughton, John Waters, Peter Jackson, John Woo -- probably scores of others that I don't know enough about fringe cinema to name -- had his spirit, and in some cases his style, long before he did. I think that his popularity is simply one of those "right place, right time" situations. The market was finally ready to handle this stuff on a larger scale, and he was the best one out there at the time. I'm not totally trying to diss Tarantino. I don't hate him or his movies. I just think the hype is in some ways undeserved. His work, IMO, doesn't break any new ground...other than the fact that it played at your local shopping mall cinemaplex. -- Nick From MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Nov 17 06:16:30 1998 From: MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark P Lee) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:16:30 +0000 Subject: Who Said Dibs ! In-Reply-To: <199811171000.FAA29136@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: > "In times long past, this planet was the home of a mighty and noble > race of beings which called themselves "The Krel". Ethically, as well > as technologically, they were a million years ahead of humankind, in > unlocking the mysteries of nature. And when in the course of aeons > they had abolished sickness, insanity and crime and all injustice , > they turned with high benevolence outwards towards space....." > >Interestingly, Mr. Dibs used the same section on the Spacehead CD, but >edited-out the bit: "which called themselves "The Krel" ". > >Guy T. I wasn't aware the bugger had done a CD, we sat on his (Ex Cpt Rizz) bus at Badham Festival and skagged a copy of his tape from him, IMHO it's probably the best version of Sonic Attack that'll ever be made, Dibs should have been supporting Bedouin at Notts before the damn gig got cancelled, not seen him since, he didn't make it to Derby for Bedouin either. I shall ring up and demand myself a CD forthwith...... And if he's listening to this, man that chilli was mean. Cheers. Mark. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please reply to mark at esparto.demon.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 17 07:54:57 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:54:57 GMT Subject: wanted - lineup data Message-ID: Thanks for the help obtaining tracklists. I have another file on lineups which ends thusly: Toronto Phoenix 04-Apr-95 Tue BR/DA/CH/BS St. Catherines Hideaway 05-Apr-95 Wed BR/DA/CH/BS Buffolo Nietzsche's 06-Apr-95 Thu BR/DA/CH/BS Cleveland Agora 07-Apr-95 Fri BR/DA/CH/BS Springfield Jaxx 08-Apr-95 Sat BR/DA/CH/BS New York Limelight 09-Apr-95 Sun BR/DA/CH/BS New Haven Toad's Place 11-Apr-95 Tue BR/DA/CH/BS Atlanta Masquerade 14-Apr-95 Fri BR/DA/CH/BS Madison Barrymore Th 18-Apr-95 Tue BR/DA/CH/BS Chicago Park West 19-Apr-95 Wed BR/DA/CH/BS Milwaukee Shank Hall 20-Apr-95 Thu BR/DA/CH/BS Boulder Fox Theatre 23-Apr-95 Sun BR/DA/CH/BS San Francisco Slims 25-Apr-95 Tue BR/DA/CH/BS Isle Of Man Festival 07-Jun-95 Wed Isle Of Man Festival 08-Jun-95 Thu Derby MAG festival 27-Jul-95 Thu Could anyone who has it please email or post the continuation of this file? Cheers FoFP From Stephen.Barstow at OCEANOR.NO Tue Nov 17 08:13:48 1998 From: Stephen.Barstow at OCEANOR.NO (Stephen Barstow) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 14:13:48 +0100 Subject: Man Message-ID: In full blown bitter & twisted mode, but still able to contribute ;-{P> At 10:33 16/11/98 -0000, Andy wrote: > >Next was a treat - the first gig for 22 years of Martin Ace and the Flying >Aces, featuring Martin's wife (George?). Pure nostalgia, but not half bad >either. > >>Yes, it's George. > >Next up, Alkatraz. I think this was their first show for a bloody long >time, too, but it didn't show - they were very good indeed. Didn't a couple >of these guys used to be in Man? A similar sound to 70's Man, whatever, >received very enthusiastically. > >>Alkatraz was founded by Will Youatt, bass player from the "Back In to The >>Future" incarnation of the band. I don't think any of the other (original) >>members were Man alumni, although I think there were connections into the >>"Family Jungle". We could do with having Pete Frame resurrecting and >>enlarging upon his "Rhinos, Winos, Lunatic, Playboys Bums & Me" family tree >>that he did for ZigZag! You should get hold of the booklet "Mannerisms" produced as a labour of love by Martin Mycock. Contains everything imaginable about the Man Band including a full list of gigs from 1968 to the 90s, a family tree for Man and friends, discography, a selection of gig adverts, reviews etc. - a great read if you're into the band (and it costs only a few quid). You can reach Martin at MartinMy at compuserve.com. > >And at last, Man. What can I say that hasn't been said? As befits a band >on their thirtieth anniversary, they're almost telepathically together, >their long rambling jams have been honed into precise compositions of real >beauty. No surprises in the setlist, but hey. Jones' son joined for the >first encore (Jones: "Cheeky bugger!" Jones junior: "Short arse, short >arse!"), and looked as if he knew what he was about. The current line-up's >got a few years left in 'em, but the future of the Man band is assured! I'm not sure exactly what they played at the Astoria, but there were a number of real surprises in the set list when I saw them in Southampton a couple of weeks ago (and I believe they also played most of them in London): Manillo (from Do You Like it Here Now), Brother Arnold's Red and White Striped Tent (from Two Ounces of Plastic with a Hole in the Middle), snatches of "In the Beginning" from the first album, Revelation - during Many are Called...., and the return to the set of "The Man X-Ray Eyes" and the John Cipollina tribute "Wings of Mercury". Added to that a great version of Spunk Rock (which they never played often) and you have a quite amazing set list..........(NB! the band played Brother Arnold during the sound check at the Space and Rock Festival in the summer - they must have been practising). They also played another real oldie - 7171551 at several of the gigs on the current tour. Have a look at http://imusic.com/cgi-bin/bbs/bbs.cgi?x=man for more comments from the current tour and also reviews on the Man web site.... > >>I swear I'm jinxed this year - everything worth seeing since June has >>clashed with my fatherly responsibilities! I'm glad it was a good'un >>(BASTARDS!) >>ChrisW Steve From hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU Tue Nov 17 09:06:10 1998 From: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU (hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 08:06:10 -0600 Subject: OFF: Tarantino In-Reply-To: <199811170934.EAA11373@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Nov 1998, wrote: > Again, I say he is in no way the first. To me, he's just the first > independent filmaker to pull in major mainstream success. Scores of > others, from Romero to Raimi, Abel Ferrera, Lloyd Kaufman, John > McNaughton, John Waters, Peter Jackson, John Woo -- probably scores of > others that I don't know enough about fringe cinema to name -- had > his spirit, and in some cases his style, long before he did. I think > that his popularity is simply one of those "right place, right time" > situations. The market was finally ready to handle this stuff on a > larger scale, and he was the best one out there at the time. I have to disagree (somewhat) here. Sure, he is in no way the "first". But I don't see how that is really relevant in terms of criteria for evaluating the bulk of his work, which is excellent. True Romance (screenplay), Resevoir Dogs, and Pulp Fiction are uniformly excellent films. And though he draws on the other people you mention, he maintains his own style. Second, I think we tend to forget that people don't suddenly arrive as superstars because the hype machine is so overblown as to make us think such stars have always been and always will. But Resevoir Dogs was a relatively unknown film here (at least in Texas) that caught on by word of mouth; it was an underground sensation first. Ditto for Pulp Fiction. It opened in the local art house theaters first. It didn't go truly mainstream until a month or two later, when word of mouth and sales saw it move into wide release everywhere. > > I'm not totally trying to diss Tarantino. I don't hate him or his > movies. I just think the hype is in some ways undeserved. His work, > IMO, doesn't break any new ground...other than the fact that it > played at your local shopping mall cinemaplex. > > -- Nick > Everyone who is hyped is bound to suffer backlash. And no one controls hype. Hype transcends any one individual; I really don't think you can blame Tarantino for it. I'm sure he enjoys being famous and well-recognized, but whether he realizes it or not, it was never his decision alone that got him there. Hate the hype, not the director -- unless the work itself demands it. And I don't see how that is the case here. --thomas From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Nov 17 10:11:26 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:11:26 -0000 Subject: Man In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I'm not sure exactly what they played at the Astoria, but there > were a > number of real surprises in the set list when I saw them in > Southampton It probably was the same (or similar) set - I've a relative newcomer to Man (my first show was around 1990) and don't have all their albums by any means, and so they could easily have slipped some old stuff into a medley and I'd not know! :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Nov 17 11:08:30 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 00:08:30 +0800 Subject: HW: Interstellar Overdrive In-Reply-To: <9009211316111998/A07127/LNMV02/11CB83550800*@MHS> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of LN1GJT > Sent: Monday, 16 November 1998 9:21 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: HW: Interstellar Overdrive > > > William writes: > >Hi all > > > >Has anyone heard the CD that comes with the Pink Floyd Encyclopedia book > >that features Hawkwind doing Interstellar Overdrive? For those who don't > >know what I'm talking about, check this page:- > > > >http://www.cgpublishing.com/pinkenc.htm > > Isn't this the version that was done by Nik Turner, a few years > back, (or was > that "Careful with that Axe Eugene?" > Nik did Careful... for the Saucerful of Pink CD, and Spiral Realms did a version of Interstellar Overdrive. (a great album, by the way!) William From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Nov 17 06:37:25 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:37:25 +0000 Subject: OFF: Tarantino Message-ID: > I have to disagree (somewhat) here. Sure, he is in no way the "first". > But I don't see how that is really relevant in terms of criteria for > evaluating the bulk of his work, which is excellent. Where I think it's significant is in the fact that if you've seen it all before, can you really consider it HIS work...excellent or not? Again, I don't want to paint myself into an anti-Tarantino corner, because that's really not my stance. And the stuff he does is not necessarily stolen...in a lot of cases, I see it as a director putting his personal stamp on certain techniques, cinematic attitudes, etc., that have already been out there. And he does an okay job at it. I guess my problem is mainly with the hype, because so much of America, when they saw Pulp Fiction, was like, "Oh my God...this is so bizarre and unique that it must have been made by an alien in another solar system!"...To me, though, it was a pretty good movie, but thanks to years of "trash cinema", it didn't totally move me. > his own style. Second, I think we tend to forget that people don't > suddenly arrive as superstars because the hype machine is so overblown as > to make us think such stars have always been and always will. Here I absolutely disagree. The '98 Volkswagen Beetle, for instance, is selling like mad...thanks to absolutely nothing BUT hype. People and products are "made" every day of the week. I'm not saying this is what happened with Tarantino, but to say it doesn't exist is naive. > Everyone who is hyped is bound to suffer backlash. And no one controls > hype. Hype transcends any one individual; I really don't think you can > blame Tarantino for it. I'm sure he enjoys being famous and > well-recognized, but whether he realizes it or not, it was never his > decision alone that got him there. Hate the hype, not the director -- > unless the work itself demands it. And I don't see how that is the case > here. > > --thomas Just one last point, not really relevant to his talent, his career, hype or anything else we've been discussing: As a human being, Quentin Tarantino is a first class asshole! -- Nick From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 17 10:55:22 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:55:22 EDT Subject: OFF: Tarantino In-Reply-To: <199811171637.LAA17994@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: > From: "" > > Just one last point, not really relevant to his talent, his career, > hype or anything else we've been discussing: As a human being, > Quentin Tarantino is a first class asshole! > > -- Nick I don't know what point you're trying to make with this? Many people on this list think Bloom's an asshole. Does that change anyone's appreciation of their artistic output? It shouldn't. If you talk to enough people about someone, you're bound to find people who don't like them. theo ps from what I've read, QT IS an asshole. Just ask Rgoer Avary... From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Nov 17 12:03:28 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:03:28 -0600 Subject: OFF: Damn, them Yankees are good and Nicole Kidman Message-ID: Tommy and Jack didn't decide to take Ted over > Rik, Rik turned them down. He didn't want to do it. > >Well, glad Rik had enough class to turn down a big money-no music project like that one. Better to be poor and have one's honor intact... Ouchies Theo. Yeah Damn Yankees have a deceidely commercial bend to their music, dosen't necesarrily make it bad. Whatever, chalk it up as another "bad band" that appeals to the Ghost. >4. George Clooney, George Clooney George Clooney. When Nicole Kidman can out act you...well nuff said on that. > >Don't sell her short. Watch To Die For, and I think you'll agree she's a helluva actor. And I think if Kubrick likes her acting talent, that might tell ya something... She can out-act Clooney but thats not a hard thing to do. I will also admit that To Die For is a terrific movie. I loved her in this flick because my impression isshe played herself. Now it take more than one good movie to be a great actor/actress, think you can name another, I can't. >She's also been knocking them dead on stage in a small theatre in London in a play called "The Blue Room" - a modern re-working of "La Ronde" I believe. Yeah thats been getting a lot of press over here recently, however I will point out that most of this press mentions the same thing, she takes all of her clothes off. She cannot act but even I would pay to see her naked. Now I will stop bashing Nicole but only becuase I fear the wrath of a certain lurker on this list. Ghost in the Ruins From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Nov 17 12:45:42 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 01:45:42 +0800 Subject: HW: New CD Message-ID: Hi all I've just seen mention of a new CD titled The Entire & Infinite Universe of Hawkwind. Anyone know of this? It's on this site:- http://cdu2.cduniverse.com/asp/albuminfo.asp?frm=lk_cdclick&LC=66662+98&cart =68665420 William From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 17 12:41:44 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 17:41:44 GMT Subject: AW: Bernhard In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:30:34 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hi Folks > > OK. I posted only a part of my list > > Here ist now the list of ALL gigs HAWKWIND played from 1996-1998 Thanks. Could you please post an update of the personnel key? Cheers FoFP From johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM Tue Nov 17 13:34:31 1998 From: johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 19:34:31 +0100 Subject: HW: New CD Message-ID: At 01:45 1998-11-18 +0800, you wrote: >Hi all > >I've just seen mention of a new CD titled The Entire & Infinite Universe of >Hawkwind. Anyone know of this? > >It's on this site:- >http://cdu2.cduniverse.com/asp/albuminfo.asp?frm=lk_cdclick&LC=66662+98&cart >=68665420 DRESSED TO KILL (UK) Catalog# 98 3 CD Set $13.97 Future Release: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 umm, same label as the recent Welcome to the Future Box - this smells Yuri Gagarin... three copies in one box. >William -joe From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Nov 17 17:55:12 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 17:55:12 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkwind trivia / Forbidden Planet / Krel In-Reply-To: <9215151516111998/A02967/LNMV02/11CB83CF0E00*@MHS> Message-ID: Guy writes: => I just thought that I would add a littke ditty here about Forbidden Plannet !! => => For those of you who appreciate KREL, => (the world's most-under-rated-space-rock-band!) => whilst they were supporting Hawkwind, on the 1992 Teepee-tour, they played a => tape of the following section, taken from the film, as the intro to one of the => trax, "Space Trip" (I think?): => => => "In times long past, this planet was the home of a mighty and noble => race of beings which called themselves "The Krel". Ethically, as well => as technologically, they were a million years ahead of humankind, in => unlocking the mysteries of nature. And when in the course of aeons => they had abolished sickness, insanity and crime and all injustice , => they turned with high benevolence outwards towards space....." Yes, but in _Forbidden Planet_, aren't they THE KRELL. Obviously "The Krel" are just their evil, underachiever, one-L-short twin... >;-) Cheers, Paul. ob2CD: Iron Maiden, _Live After Death_ (remastered enhanced CD) e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Tue Nov 17 18:02:01 1998 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 00:02:01 +0100 Subject: OFF: Assholes Message-ID: > I don't know what point you're trying to make with this? Many people > on this list think Bloom's an asshole. Does that change anyone's Do you belong to that side of the list? ;-) Simplius P.S. Eric Bloom is a smart extrovert guy, as every heavy rockin' singer should be. From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Tue Nov 17 18:02:06 1998 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 00:02:06 +0100 Subject: OFF: Tarantino Message-ID: > I'm not totally trying to diss Tarantino. I don't hate him or his > movies. I just think the hype is in some ways undeserved. His work, > IMO, doesn't break any new ground...other than the fact that it > played at your local shopping mall cinemaplex. As you said - the right place, the right time......the time will tell. You say that QT brought B-movies feeling to the mainstream. I say that with his last works, Tarantino IS mainstream. Anyway - I agree, likewise I had deja vu feeling watching Pulp Fiction. Simplius From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Tue Nov 17 18:31:23 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 18:31:23 -0500 Subject: OFF: Tarantino Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Nick English at blackboard.com > his own style. Second, I think we tend to forget that people don't > suddenly arrive as superstars because the hype machine is so overblown as > to make us think such stars have always been and always will. Here I absolutely disagree. The '98 Volkswagen Beetle, for instance, is selling like mad...thanks to absolutely nothing BUT hype. People and products are "made" every day of the week. I'm not saying this is what happened with Tarantino, but to say it doesn't exist is naive. Just like to say that I was very into Tarantino long before I ever heard his name. It was only upon hearing the hype that I realized I was a Tarantino fan. And I am one of those weirdos who generally hates everything popular for the simple crime of being popular! >Just one last point, not really relevant to his talent, his career, >hype or anything else we've been discussing: As a human being, >Quentin Tarantino is a first class asshole! Aren't we all? I understand Bill Gates is something of a smeghead too, but here we are. I am not interested in having QT over for tea, but I would be disappointed to hear he was retiring. BTW I hated Foxy Brown. Loved parts of it. Hated most of it. You can say that QT only made 2 movies all you want. ALMOST every movie he had _anything_ to do with has a very similar feel. Anyone see Four Rooms? Hilarious. Rj -- Nick From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Tue Nov 17 18:33:11 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 18:33:11 -0500 Subject: wanted - lineup data Message-ID: >Thanks for the help obtaining tracklists. > >I have another file on lineups which ends thusly: > >Toronto Phoenix 04-Apr-95 Tue BR/DA/CH/BS >St. Catherines Hideaway 05-Apr-95 Wed BR/DA/CH/BS >Buffolo Nietzsche's 06-Apr-95 Thu BR/DA/CH/BS >Cleveland Agora 07-Apr-95 Fri BR/DA/CH/BS >Springfield Jaxx 08-Apr-95 Sat BR/DA/CH/BS >New York Limelight 09-Apr-95 Sun BR/DA/CH/BS >New Haven Toad's Place 11-Apr-95 Tue BR/DA/CH/BS >Atlanta Masquerade 14-Apr-95 Fri BR/DA/CH/BS >Madison Barrymore Th 18-Apr-95 Tue BR/DA/CH/BS >Chicago Park West 19-Apr-95 Wed BR/DA/CH/BS >Milwaukee Shank Hall 20-Apr-95 Thu BR/DA/CH/BS >Boulder Fox Theatre 23-Apr-95 Sun BR/DA/CH/BS >San Francisco Slims 25-Apr-95 Tue BR/DA/CH/BS >Isle Of Man Festival 07-Jun-95 Wed >Isle Of Man Festival 08-Jun-95 Thu >Derby MAG festival 27-Jul-95 Thu > BS? Who is BS? RT? From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Nov 17 19:07:48 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 00:07:48 -0000 Subject: wanted - lineup data In-Reply-To: <006701be1282$a415e7a0$3aa48fcc@sprawl> Message-ID: > > BS? Who is BS? RT? > Ron "Bastard". - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Tue Nov 17 19:19:34 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 18:19:34 -0600 Subject: BOC: Random thoughts post Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: > > original style, but I think you selling Spielberg short. Granted > > Spielberg has > > had a few bombs, like "Batteries Not Included", that movie was an > > awful piece of > > garbage if I ever saw one, but I think most of his work is grand. > > _*Batteries Not Included_ was directed by Matthew Robbins, although > Spielberg was executive producer - it was originally intended as an episode > of "Steven Spielberg's Amazing Stories". > Wasn't aware of that, that being the only movie I can remember of the top of my head that had something to do with spielberg that I didn't like, can't say I dislike any of hisDirectorial work then. I'll be the first to admit I really don't know a lot about the differences between the Producer, Executive Producer, and Director, except the obvious ones of coarse. I know the Producer has more "pull" than the director, but the differences between Executive Producer and Producer im not sure. But if Spielberg was EP of BNI he had to of had something to do with the outcome. > Imagine if Arthur Levy had made such a mistake when writing about the Blue > Oyster Cult! > > - Andy > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham Im not going to knock Levy, I don't know him and he might be the greatest guy in the world. I just think if something is going to be written down it should be accurate, if I was going to write an article on Steven Spielberg, I would of done a lot more research. But then again if Levy knew that it wasn't true Im sure he would of probably never reported it, it was in Japan I guess, by the time the news of Eric speaking Japanese during Godzilla got back here im sure the story changed a lot. Weren't they also Nazi's? ;-). Laj. From hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU Tue Nov 17 18:25:55 1998 From: hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU (hijinks at UTARLG.UTA.EDU) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 17:25:55 -0600 Subject: OFF: Tarantino In-Reply-To: <199811171637.LAA17994@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: Well, it seems this conversation is getting into fine shades of gray. But still -- that is where it really gets interesting. As Nabokov once said, God is in the details. So, a few more words RE this thread of discussion: On Tue, 17 Nov 1998, wrote: > > Where I think it's significant is in the fact that if you've seen it > all before, can you really consider it HIS work...excellent or not? I don't see how the claim that Tarantino is totally derivative can be substantiated. Everyone has influences; that he makes his influences part of his style is already a move that distances him from his sources. Given that, I don't see how it can be claimed that we have seen it all before. We haven't; new perspectives, tones, and new kind of irony have all been added to the mix. > I guess my problem is mainly with the hype, because > so much of America, when they saw Pulp Fiction, was like, "Oh my > God...this is so bizarre and unique that it must have been made by an > alien in another solar system!"...To me, though, it was a pretty good > movie, but thanks to years of "trash cinema", it didn't totally move > me. The fact that you have insights as a critic that the bulk of population does not says more about the bulk of the population than it does about Tarantino. But I hesitate to call the masses stupid: I don't hold with that kind of mandarin perspective. Something is occuring in Tarantino's movies that appeals to the masses that is not present in the "trash cinema." As good critics -- if that is what we want to be -- it behooves to discover what that is. My suspicion is that the postmodern ironical stance and humor, plus really good dialogue, is what does it. But I'm open to other suggestions... > Here I absolutely disagree. The '98 Volkswagen Beetle, for instance, > is selling like mad...thanks to absolutely nothing BUT hype. People > and products are "made" every day of the week. I'm not saying this is > what happened with Tarantino, but to say it doesn't exist is naive. I don't buy this (sorry for the bad pun!). Hype does not equal success. For example, the most hyped movie this year was Godzilla, and it bombed. Why? It was a terrible film. Hype can contribute to a film's success; it may even help a bad film break even. But hype cannot make bad into good as alchemy would make lead into gold. Something must be present in the work to capture the public's desire. This is the case for the Volkswagen Beetle: a kind of futuristic neo-nostalgia is at work that has captured the mood of the public. This is not hype; it is image. A different thing altogether, and much more important as far as capturing consumer desires. Sometimes what is captured is the lowest common denominator, however; I grant that. But if that is objectionable, it is simply because your desire is at odds with the current public lowest common denominator. We all find ourselves in that position at times, I suspect. I do a lot, actually. But I always try to keep that in mind and not take it out on the artist. Even if it is the Spice Girls, who I dislike intensely. But I would be the first to admit that they certainly know how to work the prepubescent teen market -- and that is no small feat considering how many fail rather than succeed in that market. > Just one last point, not really relevant to his talent, his career, > hype or anything else we've been discussing: As a human being, > Quentin Tarantino is a first class asshole! > > -- Nick Well, Nick, no argument from me on this one. He does seem to be a bit of an asshole. But, many artists are. Beethoven, to pick one really famous example, was a real prick. But his music is what matters. Ditto, I say, for Tarantino... though he is no Beethoven, I hasten to add. --Thomas From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Nov 18 05:46:15 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:46:15 -0000 Subject: BOC: Random thoughts post In-Reply-To: <36521296.A4BDDCF4@dlcwest.com> Message-ID: > > _*Batteries Not Included_ was directed by Matthew Robbins, although > > Spielberg was executive producer - it was originally intended > as an episode > > of "Steven Spielberg's Amazing Stories". > > > > Wasn't aware of that, that being the only movie I can remember of > the top of my > head that had something to do with spielberg that I didn't like, > can't say I > dislike any of hisDirectorial work then. I'll be the first to > admit I really > don't know a lot about the differences between the Producer, Executive > Producer, and Director, except the obvious ones of coarse. I know > the Producer > has more "pull" than the director, but the differences between Executive > Producer and Producer im not sure. But if Spielberg was EP of BNI > he had to of > had something to do with the outcome. > Well, the producer exercises general control, and handles a lot of the business aspects. Artie on _Larry Sanders_. The word "executive" serves to distance SS further in this case, though. I doubt (but of course I wouldn't presume to know for sure) he had anything "hands-on" to do with _*bni_. What I would say he's guilty of - and your confusion bears this out - is allowing his name to become a brand, and allowing his publicity to label any film he produces, executive produces, has lunch with the director of, etc as "a Spielberg film". My take on SS, fwiw, is that he's an exceptional craftsman who desperately wants to be an _auteur_ - hence he's not satisfied with the enormous popular and financial success of his entertainments; he also (rather self-consciously, I feel) turns to his "issue" films. How the hell did we get on to this? - Andy ObCD: Garbage - _Version 2.0_ mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 18 06:26:45 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 07:26:45 EDT Subject: OFF: Assholes In-Reply-To: <199811172300.SAA12873@mailgate.spc.edu> Message-ID: > From: Goran Janicijevic > > I don't know what point you're trying to make with this? Many people > > on this list think Bloom's an asshole. Does that change anyone's > > Do you belong to that side of the list? ;-) > > > Simplius > > P.S. Eric Bloom is a smart extrovert guy, as every heavy rockin' singer should be. I would agree with your PS line 100%. EB is one of my main r'n'r heroes, based on his music and presence on stage, regardless of his personal dealings with other musicians... theo From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Nov 18 08:30:43 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 08:30:43 -0500 Subject: BOC: Random thoughts post In-Reply-To: <36521296.A4BDDCF4@dlcwest.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Nov 1998, Laj Waldner wrote: => Producer and Producer im not sure. But if Spielberg was EP of BNI he had to of => had something to do with the outcome. Yes, but then the same is true of the key grip, best boy, and the caterers. But I've never yet heard anyone say, "that lousy best boy RUINED the film for me!" Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Wed Nov 18 08:47:14 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 08:47:14 -0500 Subject: BOC: Random thoughts post Message-ID: And just what the hell is a Best Boy and any of the grips. I know the last one (caterer), they were that brother-sister music act in the 70's right? Buzzardo > ---------- > From: Paul Mather[SMTP:paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 1998 8:30 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: BOC: Random thoughts post > > On Tue, 17 Nov 1998, Laj Waldner wrote: > > => Producer and Producer im not sure. But if Spielberg was EP of BNI he > had to of > => had something to do with the outcome. > > Yes, but then the same is true of the key grip, best boy, and the > caterers. But I've never yet heard anyone say, "that lousy best boy > RUINED the film for me!" > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" > --- James Marshall Hendrix > From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Wed Nov 18 09:02:59 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:02:59 -0500 Subject: BOC: Random thoughts post Message-ID: >And just what the hell is a Best Boy and any of the grips. I know the last >one (caterer), they were that brother-sister music act in the 70's right? > >Buzzardo There's Kung-Fu Grip, Money Grip, Bloods and the Grips, Firm Grip, Loosing Your Grip, Getta Grip.... I have a Caterers 45. "We've Only Just Begun (to Cook)" b/w "Rainy Days and Sundaes" :-P Sorry, Brian ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html -The new Fierce Wicker electronic showroom Update: New FW interview, episode one. ---------- > ---------- > From: Paul Mather[SMTP:paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 1998 8:30 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: BOC: Random thoughts post > > On Tue, 17 Nov 1998, Laj Waldner wrote: > > => Producer and Producer im not sure. But if Spielberg was EP of BNI he > had to of > => had something to do with the outcome. > > Yes, but then the same is true of the key grip, best boy, and the > caterers. But I've never yet heard anyone say, "that lousy best boy > RUINED the film for me!" > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" > --- James Marshall Hendrix > From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Nov 18 10:32:10 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 07:32:10 -0800 Subject: BOC: E Bloom and A-hole? Message-ID: A puzzeled Ghosts scratches his head.... >I don't know what point you're trying to make with this? Many people on this list think Bloom's an asshole. Does that change anyone's appreciation of their artistic output? It shouldn't. If you talk to enough people about someone, you're bound to find people who don't like them. Dude, when did this happen? From what I recall Torgo did the last poll on BOC-L and this wasn't a question. Are there numbers to substantiate this? Damn if I missed the poll question then my response would be that Eric Bloom is not an asshole! Then again I refrain from calling somebody and ass-hole (well I try) unless I have personal experience with them. C'ya Ghost in the Ruins OBCD - High Live, Helloween From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Nov 18 12:31:54 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:31:54 -0500 Subject: BOC: E Bloom and A-hole? Message-ID: >>I don't know what point you're trying to make with this? Many people on this list think Bloom's an asshole. >Dude, when did this happen? I suspect Theo may have exaggerated a bit. Certainly this might be in part the past history with Al leaving the band, and Imaginos. Not trying to resurrect any of those discussions, but Al had stated in the past that he never liked Eric (however, I don't ever recall Al using the "A-word"). A number of folks here had criticized Eric in the past regarding announce- ments about the album that never seemed to come. As for BOC's past history, we fans, IMHO, should stay out of "taking sides" when it comes to the circumstances surrounding Albert's departure from the band, and exactly who's album "Imaginos" really was. There are a lot of issues here, and most of them are private matters between the past and present bandmembers. John From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Nov 18 13:04:16 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:04:16 -0600 Subject: OFF: Apologies to Theo Message-ID: Hey Theo, glad we had that little talk off line about the Bloom post man. Really sorry if my morning post comes off like me slagging ya. I promise no more morning posts until I have had the right amount of coffee. Not too much and not too little? Just wanted to say I'm sorry and hope I haven't opened the door to one of those heated debates. Not my intent. Thanks dude and everyone else. L8er Ghost in the Ruins From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 18 12:30:07 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:30:07 EDT Subject: OFF: Apologies to Theo In-Reply-To: <199811181809.LAA10262@docws002.shl.com> Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > Hey Theo, glad we had that little talk off line about the Bloom post man. > Really sorry if my morning post comes off like me slagging ya. I promise no > more morning posts until I have had the right amount of coffee. Not too > much and not too little? > Uh-oh! You're not starting another coffee thread are ya? You know what happened last time! And no apology needed, bud. My post was ambiguous and provacative. Fire away anytime you want! theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 18 12:36:34 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:36:34 EDT Subject: BOC: E Bloom and A-hole? In-Reply-To: <199811181731.MAA23229@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: Quothe the FAQ man: > > I suspect Theo may have exaggerated a bit. Certainly this might be in > part the past history with Al leaving the band, and Imaginos. Not trying > to resurrect any of those discussions, but Al had stated in the past that > he never liked Eric (however, I don't ever recall Al using the "A-word"). > A number of folks here had criticized Eric in the past regarding announce- > ments about the album that never seemed to come. > > As for BOC's past history, we fans, IMHO, should stay out of "taking > sides" when it comes to the circumstances surrounding Albert's departure > from the band, and exactly who's album "Imaginos" really was. There > are a lot of issues here, and most of them are private matters between > the past and present bandmembers. > > John True enough. It's hard not to take sides. Blame the internet. Before this list I didn't know any of the gruesome details. It's hard not to take Al's side, as he's so up front and honest [even when he's admitting he's been wrong in the past] and the others tend to be evasive. It implies their guilt even where it doesn't necessarily exist. And since we only hear Al's side on the list, it's hard for the rest to defend themselves... theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Nov 18 14:59:04 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 14:59:04 -0500 Subject: BOC: E Bloom and A-hole? Message-ID: >> As for BOC's past history, we fans, IMHO, should stay out of "taking > sides" when it comes to the circumstances surrounding Albert's departure > from the band, and exactly who's album "Imaginos" really was. There > are a lot of issues here, and most of them are private matters between > the past and present bandmembers >True enough. It's hard not to take sides. Blame the internet. Before this list I didn't know any of the gruesome details. It's hard not to take Al's side, as he's so up front and honest [even when he's admitting he's been wrong in the past] and the others tend to be evasive. It implies their guilt even where it doesn't necessarily exist. And since we only hear Al's side on the list, it's hard for the rest to defend themselves... Yes. I do have some opinions as to who was right and wrong (or perhaps at least MORE right or wrong) in some of these matters, but any discussion about it here is likely to be a bit one-sided, as well as (IMHO) counterproductive for fans. And besides, it is old history - all parties are on to newer and exciting things - and much more positive things as well. Finally, Al has basically told us that he's past many of this stuff and doesn't want to live in the past -- and that's good enough for me. John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 18 14:03:56 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:03:56 EDT Subject: off: walkinbird [no BOC/HW] Message-ID: Paul, They're advertising a concert called Walkinbird with Warren Haynes. Do you know anything about this? Haven't been over at the GM list for a while, and haven't seen any concerts advertised. What's up with GM, anyway? theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 18 14:28:45 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:28:45 EDT Subject: off: the haunt Message-ID: Brian, you had a URL for the Haunt, popular stopping point for tBS. Do you still have it? theo From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Nov 18 15:30:51 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:30:51 -0500 Subject: off: walkinbird [no BOC/HW] In-Reply-To: <4A9A7D349A@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Theo wrote: => They're advertising a concert called Walkinbird with Warren Haynes. => Do you know anything about this? Haven't been over at the GM list => for a while, and haven't seen any concerts advertised. What's up => with GM, anyway? The Walkingbird gig is a screw-up. Yes, Walkingbird (another HardHead [GM mgmt] act) *is* playing 11/20 somewhere on the East Coast, but it is highly unlikely that they will be playing with Warren Haynes, since he will be playing with Gov't Mule that very day at the Fillmore, San Francisco! I guess since Warren helped out on Walkingbird's last album, the promoter probably got confused about his connection with them. As for GM, they're gigging right now (what else:). They played some dates in Japan recently, to much success, and have just finished several dates in Canada supporting Big Sugar, and are now doing a couple of West Coast dates (supported by Big Sugar, IIRC, as part of a reciprocal agreement). They'll be playing the Roxy, Atlanta, on New Year's Eve, with the Derek Trucks Band supporting, and Greenville, SC the day before. Apparently they will be working on the next studio album, doing some material before the New Year, and the rest after. Expect to see "Suffer," "Life Before Insanity," "Wandering Child," and "Devil Likes It Slow" (plus at least one other new song I forget the name of right now) to appear in the way of new material. Also strongly rumoured is the appearance of some guest musicians on some tracks. As always, the Mule WWW site is always a good place to look for info, tour dates, etc. Cheers, Paul. NP: Iron Maiden, _Live After Death_ (remastered and enhanced CD) e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Wed Nov 18 15:43:04 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:43:04 -0500 Subject: OFF: the haunt Message-ID: http://www.thehaunt.com That wasn't so hard, was it? ;-) Here's the Walkinbird site too: http://www.hardhead.com/hhweb/walkinbird/opening.html Moxy Fruvous is also playing there on Dec. 1st. I saw them at Alfred a couple years ago and they put on a really fun show. Brian obDownload> The trailer for Star Wars: Episode One (Yowza!) ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html -The new Fierce Wicker electronic showroom Update 11/17: New FW interview ---------- >Brian, >you had a URL for the Haunt, popular stopping point for tBS. Do you >still have it? > >theo From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Nov 17 16:50:08 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 21:50:08 +0000 Subject: OFF: Damn, them Yankees are good and Nicole Kidman In-Reply-To: <199811171708.KAA05688@docws002.shl.com> Message-ID: I wrote: >>She's also been knocking them dead on stage in a small theatre in London >in a play called "The Blue Room" - a modern re-working of "La Ronde" I >believe. You responded: >Yeah thats been getting a lot of press over here recently, however I will >point out that most of this press mentions the same thing, she takes all of >her clothes off. She cannot act but even I would pay to see her naked. The Guardian doen't generally give people good reviews just because they take their clothes off! ObCDs:Man - Live Official Bootleg / Phil Thornton & Hossam Ramzy - Immortal Egypt Free your mind & watch your ass! From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Nov 18 21:02:31 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 02:02:31 +0000 Subject: OFF: Man or Astroman? In-Reply-To: <19981109173724.5359.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Nov 1998, Jeremy Cornell wrote: > I have been listening to the band 'Man or Astroman?' recently but > it's not Space-Rock (IMHO), more like Surf guitar music. Carl and I decided we'd call them 'space surf' - Dick Dale-type riffing and top class cheesy SF film samples. Amusing band. Have a look at www.astroman.com if you want. Yours, Jon -- /----------------------------------------------------------\ | Jonathan Jarrett Pembroke College | | jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk Cambridge | | 01223 338100 CB2 1RF | |----------------------------------------------------------| | "Wilhelm Reich died for your sins" (ST37) | \----------------------------------------------------------/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Nov 18 21:25:01 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 02:25:01 +0000 Subject: Moorkwind In-Reply-To: <000201be0d6d$aaa096c0$2e916682@default> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Nov 1998, Max Wilcox wrote: > Some time in the first quarter of next year there will be a double CD > released containing lots of MM stuff. > The first CD will contain all of Michael's demos. That is the stuff > recorded for Gloriana; The Entropy Tango and some other rarities. Also > perhaps the whole Finally It's the Bellyflops recording. There are some > better recordings than those that were released on the "Concerts & > Rehearsals" tape - and some time soon, new mixes will be made. > The second CD will contain Michael reading from various books of his. > Including "The Dancers at the End of Time"; "Byzantium Endures" and probably > his new book "King of the City". And NO Elric! Maybe. > It is still in the planning stages, as Michael is busy writing at present > (surprise surprise), but the project is moving onwards... > While I'm at it, do people think it worthwhile packaging both CDs together, > or as two separate releases? Also, I asked before whether people would be > interested and some people voiced interest, and I still have record of the > people who did. But, I'd like to know what sort of interest there is out > there for this sort of thing. Separate releases, I'd say; I prefer to read books and listen to music, not vice versa. Just my preference though, yours, Jon -- /----------------------------------------------------------\ | Jonathan Jarrett Pembroke College | | jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk Cambridge | | 01223 338100 CB2 1RF | |----------------------------------------------------------| | "Wilhelm Reich died for your sins" (ST37) | \----------------------------------------------------------/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Nov 18 21:31:10 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 02:31:10 +0000 Subject: OFF: Power suit Armour In-Reply-To: <199811111634.QAA18839@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Nov 1998, M Holmes wrote: > Coincidentally, there was a political/weird shit bookstall at this > year's Glastonbury flood^H^H^H^Hestival where I picked up a reprint of > Reich's original pamphlet on the Orgone Accumulator (with diagrams on > how to construct your own). Any luck yet? Yours, Jon -- /----------------------------------------------------------\ | Jonathan Jarrett Pembroke College | | jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk Cambridge | | 01223 338100 CB2 1RF | |----------------------------------------------------------| | "Wilhelm Reich died for your sins" (ST37) | \----------------------------------------------------------/ From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Wed Nov 18 23:13:41 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 22:13:41 -0600 Subject: BOC: Random thoughts post Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: > > > _*Batteries Not Included_ was directed by Matthew Robbins, although > > > Spielberg was executive producer - it was originally intended > > as an episode > > > of "Steven Spielberg's Amazing Stories". > > > > > > > Wasn't aware of that, that being the only movie I can remember of > > the top of my > > head that had something to do with spielberg that I didn't like, > > can't say I > > dislike any of hisDirectorial work then. I'll be the first to > > admit I really > > don't know a lot about the differences between the Producer, Executive > > Producer, and Director, except the obvious ones of coarse. I know > > the Producer > > has more "pull" than the director, but the differences between Executive > > Producer and Producer im not sure. But if Spielberg was EP of BNI > > he had to of > > had something to do with the outcome. > > > > Well, the producer exercises general control, and handles a lot of the > business aspects. Artie on _Larry Sanders_. > > The word "executive" serves to distance SS further in this case, though. I > doubt (but of course I wouldn't presume to know for sure) he had anything > "hands-on" to do with _*bni_. What I would say he's guilty of - and your > confusion bears this out - is allowing his name to become a brand, and > allowing his publicity to label any film he produces, executive produces, > has lunch with the director of, etc as "a Spielberg film". > True, I see your point, I saw the movie only once when I was 15 I think, and it has always rang in the back of my head as a Spielberg flick, till now :-). I guess you got to really watch, hollywood loves to do that, he might not of ever had a choice whether his name appeared on the poster or not. Remember seeing the repackaged "Mazes and Monsters" with the name "Tom Hanks" appearing in even larger letters above it :-). > My take on SS, fwiw, is that he's an exceptional craftsman who desperately > wants to be an _auteur_ - hence he's not satisfied with the enormous popular > and financial success of his entertainments; he also (rather > self-consciously, I feel) turns to his "issue" films. > Interesting point, "Schindler's List" was a good movie though, but then again so was "Jaws". He pulled both those movies off quite well, must be multitalented ;-). Maybe a mixture of the two is what is needed, "Color Purple" meets "Jurassic Park", I would pay 8 bucks to see that ;-). > How the hell did we get on to this? > > - Andy > > ObCD: Garbage - _Version 2.0_ > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham Ya, it's a bit off subject, wonder what BOC or Hawkwind thought of Spielberg ;-). Still waiting for Ralph Bakshi to get together with Sandy and Albert to produce "IMAGINOS: THE MOTION PICTURE", title subject to change of coarse :-). Laj. From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Wed Nov 18 23:26:19 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 22:26:19 -0600 Subject: BOC: Random thoughts post Message-ID: Paul Mather wrote: > On Tue, 17 Nov 1998, Laj Waldner wrote: > > => Producer and Producer im not sure. But if Spielberg was EP of BNI he had to of > => had something to do with the outcome. > > Yes, but then the same is true of the key grip, best boy, and the > caterers. But I've never yet heard anyone say, "that lousy best boy > RUINED the film for me!" > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > > "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" > --- James Marshall Hendrix Granted, some jobs are more "important" to the movie's out come than others. If a manufacturing plant went bankrupt I would be passing blame through everybody in upper management before blaming a single assembly line worker. Though I do realize the point your making, that Spielberg may have not even seen the finished product until opening night, and since he did contribute none the less, there's his name in lights right up there on the marquee too. Laj. From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Wed Nov 18 23:56:18 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 04:56:18 +0000 Subject: BOC: Random thoughts post Message-ID: > that Spielberg may have not even seen the finished product until > opening night, and since he did contribute none the less, there's his name in lights > right up there on the marquee too. > > Laj. Keeping in mind that I have no idea what I'm talking about, I doubt this would be the case. I would assume Spielberg is one of those guys who carefully guards his name and reputation, not just splattering it on any project that comes across his desk. For instance, there was Poltergeist...directed by Tobe Hooper, or so the credits say. But it has been rumored over the years that Spielberg, who I think was producer or exec producer, basically directed the entire film. I think probably anything with Spielberg's name on it gets his stamp of approval before we get to see it. -- Nick From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Nov 19 06:27:02 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 07:27:02 EDT Subject: OFF: the haunt In-Reply-To: <329A5258416CD111928F006008A62C76562832@bpxsv.pulleyn.com> Message-ID: > From: brian halligan > http://www.thehaunt.com > > That wasn't so hard, was it? ;-) > > Here's the Walkinbird site too: > > http://www.hardhead.com/hhweb/walkinbird/opening.html > > Moxy Fruvous is also playing there on Dec. 1st. I saw them at Alfred a > couple years ago and they put on a really fun show. > Thanks, Brian! You the man! theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Nov 19 06:34:11 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 07:34:11 EDT Subject: off: walkinbird [no BOC/HW] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > The Walkingbird gig is a screw-up. Yes, Walkingbird (another HardHead > [GM mgmt] act) *is* playing 11/20 somewhere on the East Coast, but it is > highly unlikely that they will be playing with Warren Haynes, since he > will be playing with Gov't Mule that very day at the Fillmore, San > Francisco! I guess since Warren helped out on Walkingbird's last album, > the promoter probably got confused about his connection with them. > Hey, Paul: Thanks for the update! What's the buzz on Walkinbird? Are they worth seeing? theo From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Nov 19 08:50:51 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 08:50:51 -0500 Subject: off: walkinbird [no BOC/HW] In-Reply-To: <5B1C411138@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Nov 1998, Theo wrote: => Thanks for the update! What's the buzz on Walkinbird? Are they => worth seeing? I have no personal experience of them. Opinion seems to be very divided about them, as far as I have seen. Some say they're good/fun/whatever, the rest say they're awful/worst GM support act ever/etc. Apparently they used to be called Cherokee Sex Workshop until they changed their name to what it is now. I vaguely recall their music being likened to a poor man's Black Crowes. They have a WWW site at http://www.hardhead.com/hhweb/walkinbird/ Cheers, Paul. obTopic: Oddly enough, on their WWW pages, it says one of the covers they have been known to play live is "Godzilla." e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Nov 19 09:41:35 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:41:35 -0000 Subject: BOC: TP2K Godzilla Message-ID: Well, having ordered the Thunderpuss 2000 version of "Godzilla", my conclusion is it's hilarious when you're pissed but rather lame when you're sober. It needed to be a full-on hip-hop version ("he PICKS up a BUS an' he T'ROWS it back DOWN"), but it's not really anything of anything. No wonder CD Now still had the single in stock six months after release. btw, "TP2K" is their abbreviation, not mine. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Thu Nov 19 10:31:18 1998 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:31:18 +0100 Subject: BOC: E Bloom and A-hole? Message-ID: > I suspect Theo may have exaggerated a bit. Certainly this might be in > part the past history with Al leaving the band, and Imaginos. Not trying > to resurrect any of those discussions, but Al had stated in the past that > he never liked Eric (however, I don't ever recall Al using the "A-word"). Ahem, together they wrote masterpieces like TR&TB and D&S.......... :-( Simplius From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Nov 19 12:12:14 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 11:12:14 -0600 Subject: BOC: E Bloom and A-hole? Message-ID: >As for BOC's past history, we fans, IMHO, should stay out of "taking sides" when it comes to the circumstances surrounding Albert's departure from the band, and exactly who's album "Imaginos" really was. There are a lot of issues here, and most of them are private matters between the past and present bandmembers. John Well said John, as ever the voice of reason for BOC-L. Main reason I was quick to apologize publicly to Theo for my initial response. We've been down this path so many times on this list its useless to do so again. As you said "its history" and "none of our business anyway." >The Guardian doen't generally give people good reviews just because they take their clothes off! Wasn't suggesting that the reviews were based on her nakedness. The play has been getting a lot of good words on its merit. I don't care for her acting, personally, but I am tempted to buy a ticket just to see if she has a "Brazillian wax job". Thats just me though, OK? Ghost in the Ruins OBCD - At the End of the Day, Galactic Cowboys From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Nov 19 12:57:38 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:57:38 -0500 Subject: Tape Ring Message-ID: Finally sending out my next tape today, 'll be the 3rd I've sent out (since a friend helped me assemble my original tape, I have to let him borrow the ones I get when they get here, which introduces delays in sending them on...)... Is anyone compiling info on the tapes? OBCD: Steve Hacket, "Watcher of Skies" ============================================ It's the Nexus of the crisis and the Origin of Storms... -"Astronomy" by Blue ?yster Cult -AAA From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Nov 19 13:38:17 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:38:17 -0000 Subject: Tape Ring In-Reply-To: <199811191757.MAA08123@issfire1.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: > Finally sending out my next tape today, 'll be the 3rd I've sent > out (since a friend helped me assemble my original tape, I have to > let him borrow the ones I get when they get here, which introduces > delays in sending them on...)... > > > Is anyone compiling info on the tapes? > > They certainly *were*! For my part, I've sent a tape to Rich which got sent on to Christian, sent another to Rich which got nicked, got a CD-R and a couple of tapes from Steven, got one back from Rich, so *I'm* confused and that's just the ones I'm involved with! The Mick Farren tracks on mine seem to go down well generally, anyway :) The one I got from Rich is full of houserocking boogie-metal (including some Vardis!) - very different from the modern prog-rock I got from Steven. One thing the swap has proved (as if we didn't know it) is just what a variety of tastes there are out there! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Nov 19 13:51:37 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:51:37 +0000 Subject: Tape Ring Message-ID: Well it all seems to have gone pearshaped somewhere. I received two tapes and a CD-R, all of which were passed along, but there's been a loooong silence. I was posting tpae list on my web site, but as I haven't had one in months, it's lying dormant.. Z Andrew A. Apold wrote: > Finally sending out my next tape today, 'll be the 3rd I've sent > out (since a friend helped me assemble my original tape, I have to > let him borrow the ones I get when they get here, which introduces > delays in sending them on...)... > > Is anyone compiling info on the tapes? > > OBCD: Steve Hacket, "Watcher of Skies" > > ============================================ > It's the Nexus of the crisis > and the Origin of Storms... > > -"Astronomy" by Blue ?yster Cult > > -AAA -- Zeitgeist - Reflections Of the Underground PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From StevenTice at AOL.COM Thu Nov 19 16:00:50 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:00:50 EST Subject: BOC: OYFOOYK mention Message-ID: Robert Fripp once quoted this paragraph from a review of the King Crimson live album U.S.A. Steve Lake in Melody Maker in 1975: ------- U.S.A. simply reworks old material into more immediately assimilable stuff, and what once seemed thoughtful and carefully realized here seems simply retailored for the downer freak. King Crimson was never exactly lightweight or happy-go-lucky, but their apocalyptic doominess has seldom been so stultifyingly apparent as it is here. By comparison, Blue Oyster Cult's live album "On Your Feet Or On Your Knees" almost comes across as a Fine Arts Statement. ------- Any comments? :-) SET From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Thu Nov 19 16:35:59 1998 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (J. Scruton) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:35:59 -0500 Subject: BOC: OYFOOYK mention In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 04:00 PM 11/19/98 EST, you wrote: >Robert Fripp once quoted this paragraph from a review of the King Crimson live >album U.S.A. Steve Lake in Melody Maker in 1975: >------- > >U.S.A. simply reworks old material into more immediately assimilable stuff, >and what once seemed thoughtful and carefully realized here seems simply >retailored for the downer freak. King Crimson was never exactly lightweight >or happy-go-lucky, but their apocalyptic doominess has seldom been so >stultifyingly apparent as it is here. By comparison, Blue Oyster Cult's live >album "On Your Feet Or On Your Knees" almost comes across as a Fine Arts >Statement. Pardon me while I stifle the milk coming out my nose. That's a rather odd description of USA since I never felt it was that doomy. But its glad to see that to this reviewer BOC could equal the attitudinal whomp of King Crimson in the band's early hey days. After all, Albert's commonly caleld the first 3 BOC's Inferno..I guess OYFoOYK is the black cloud of death that billows up from the hellfire :) heh. And OYF is fine art int he American tradition- it blasts rafters, screams blue murder through amplified guitar and drums and manages to know how to be quiet and subdued too (LDoM). But nothing on the earth compares to the ear frying that ME 262 produces. Fer me, that THE live standard of a show closer. USA, is like a statement of a band thats dying but is really wound up about it and at the same time doesn't care. After all, it was released posthumously. Itching to see RoterMethod and Bouchardians, Jason PS: Be afraid. ? and the Mysterians have a legit 2 LP live set. ObCDs:SpaceGroove, A Blessing of Tears ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Nov 19 22:49:10 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 03:49:10 +0000 Subject: HW:Lord of the Hornets [Moorcock] In-Reply-To: <000601be0e5b$a0f24f80$5e453bcb@xl5> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Nov 1998, William Duffy wrote: > > BTW: going back to MM scripted comic strips -- does anyone know > > a source for buying those late 50's UK comics?? > > > I've got some of the ones he did in the early 60's, as well as a few from > the 50's. He also wrote stories in some of the annuals as well. I'll put a > list together of what I know he wrote stories for, which may help. Off the > top of my head, there was Eric The Viking & Zip Nolan. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ What? As in the film? Yours, Jon -- /----------------------------------------------------------\ | Jonathan Jarrett Pembroke College | | jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk Cambridge | | 01223 338100 CB2 1RF | |----------------------------------------------------------| | "Wilhelm Reich died for your sins" (ST37) | \----------------------------------------------------------/ From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Thu Nov 19 21:57:12 1998 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 13:57:12 +1100 Subject: HW:Lord of the Hornets [Moorcock] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Jonathan Jarrett > Sent: Friday, 20 November 1998 1:49 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: HW:Lord of the Hornets [Moorcock] > > Off the > > top of my head, there was Eric The Viking & Zip Nolan. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > What? As in the film? Yours, Nope, as in the juvenile comics - late 50s if I correct in thinking. Moorcock has little or no memory of doing them, and often they were written under house names, so its very hard to say what he wrote and what he didn't write... - Max Wilcox From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Thu Nov 19 23:33:04 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:33:04 -0600 Subject: BOC: Random thoughts post Message-ID: > that Spielberg may have not even seen the finished product until > > opening night, and since he did contribute none the less, there's his name in lights > > right up there on the marquee too. > > > > Laj. > > Keeping in mind that I have no idea what I'm talking about, I doubt > this would be the case. I would assume Spielberg is one of those > guys who carefully guards his name and reputation, not just > splattering it on any project that comes across his desk. For > instance, there was Poltergeist...directed by Tobe Hooper, or so the > credits say. But it has been rumored over the years that Spielberg, > who I think was producer or exec producer, basically directed the > entire film. I think probably anything with Spielberg's name on it > gets his stamp of approval before we get to see it. > > -- Nick I too have been speculating quite a bit on all these Spielberg posts ;-). I will admit if I see a movie I don't like I usually, automatically, blame the Director or Producer, depending on which name has the most stature. I realize this is probably not being exactly fair, but being your average ignorant consumer I feel as it's in my right ;-), and im happy to say I have learned more about the production side of movies in the last few days reading these posts. Who knows, Spielberg might of actually liked "*bni", there's a few great questions that were brought up during this thread that would be perfect for a Spielberg interview :-). Laj. Laj. From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Fri Nov 20 03:05:03 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 01:05:03 -0700 Subject: HW: the Nova Drive page Message-ID: "The only constant is Change...." The Nova Drive page has moved, and has been updated , including some scans of rare(?) Hawkwind posters (which are proving quite a pain to do, but it's a good pain, not the dull throbbing kind...) Visit it if you dare, or if you care. Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Nov 20 08:41:52 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 08:41:52 -0500 Subject: OFF: Star Wars Trailer Message-ID: The trailer for the upcoming (Episode 1) Star Wars movie was shown on my local news broadcast last night. It looked pretty cool. That is all. John From nexus at PANIX.COM Fri Nov 20 08:58:14 1998 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 08:58:14 -0500 Subject: OFF: Star Wars Trailer In-Reply-To: <199811201341.IAA19824@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Nov 20, 98 08:41:52 am Message-ID: >The trailer for the upcoming (Episode 1) Star Wars movie was shown on my >local news broadcast last night. It looked pretty cool. That is all. >John I don't know - the "cute kid" factor could be dangerously high ... JB From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Fri Nov 20 09:09:24 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 09:09:24 -0500 Subject: OFF: Star Wars Trailer Message-ID: >The trailer for the upcoming (Episode 1) Star Wars movie was shown on my >local news broadcast last night. It looked pretty cool. That is all. > >John Having grown-up on SW, I've been anxiously awaiting this movie. Possibly even more than for Heaven Forbid. (The wait is even longer!) Anyway, I've been keeping-up with all the rumors and leaks on http://www.theForce.net and by all accounts Episode 1: The Phantom Menace will be an incredible film. New programs were created to handle the computer graphics, and from what I've seen these FX are extremely realistic. There are a few problem spots, but CG is still young and hopefully LucasFilm will have it all ironed out by Episode III in 2005. Another interesting bit is that Episode II will be released digitally as well as on film, and Episode III may be *totally* released digitally (depending on the cooperation of the various theaters.) MTFBWY, Brian ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html -The new Fierce Wicker electronic showroom Update 11/16: The new FW interview ---------- From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Nov 20 10:33:28 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (The Automind) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 07:33:28 PST Subject: HW:Lord of the Hornets [Moorcock] Message-ID: >> > top of my head, there was Eric The Viking & Zip Nolan. >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> >> What? As in the film? Yours, > > Nope, as in the juvenile comics - late 50s if I correct in thinking. >Moorcock has little or no memory of doing them, and often they were written >under house names, so its very hard to say what he wrote and what he didn't >write... > >- Max Wilcox Was there really a Jerry Cornelius newspaper comic called "The English Asassin"? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From mpower at CICG-DEV.ETSD.ML.COM Fri Nov 20 10:39:28 1998 From: mpower at CICG-DEV.ETSD.ML.COM (Marc Power) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:39:28 -0500 Subject: HW: the Nova Drive page Message-ID: Hiya Kevin, Whats your snail mail? I have a video of some BORN to GO live dates that I want to send you. Your site is coming along nicely - many of the CD covers are awesome! Funny too, I have a Robert Gould signed print - I thought it was from one of the White Wolf Moorcock reissues, but it turns out to be the Chronicle of the Black Sword cover! The one with the face in the sky. In Space we Trust! Marc. From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Fri Nov 20 10:47:08 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:47:08 -0500 Subject: BOC Dates Message-ID: www.pollstar.com had these BOC dates. 11/20/98 Allentown PA Casey's 11/21/98 Tyler TX Oil Palace 12/11/98 Clarksville TN Warehouse 12/12/98 Clarksville TN Warehouse 12/18/98 Auburn Hills MI Palace Of Auburn Hills 01/30/99 Miami FL AT & T Amphitheater 05/18/99 Tokyo JPN Sweet Basil 05/19/99 Tokyo JPN Sweet Basil 05/20/99 Tokyo JPN Sweet Basil 05/21/99 Tokyo JPN Sweet Basil 05/22/99 Tokyo JPN Sweet Basil 05/23/99 Tokyo JPN Sweet Basil From mpower at CICG-DEV.ETSD.ML.COM Fri Nov 20 11:03:01 1998 From: mpower at CICG-DEV.ETSD.ML.COM (Marc Power) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 11:03:01 -0500 Subject: HW: the Nova Drive page Message-ID: Ooops! Ob Apology for personal mail that I inadvertedly sent to the list. Silly me. Marc From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri Nov 20 06:10:44 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 11:10:44 +0000 Subject: BOC Dates Message-ID: > www.pollstar.com had these BOC dates. > 05/18/99 Tokyo > JPN Sweet Basil > 05/19/99 Tokyo > JPN Sweet Basil > 05/20/99 Tokyo > JPN Sweet Basil > 05/21/99 Tokyo > JPN Sweet Basil > 05/22/99 Tokyo > JPN Sweet Basil > 05/23/99 Tokyo > JPN Sweet Basil > Whoa... "Sex Farm" must have really caught on in Japan! : ) From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri Nov 20 06:14:37 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 11:14:37 +0000 Subject: OFF: Star Wars Trailer Message-ID: >The trailer for the upcoming (Episode 1) Star Wars movie was shown on my >local news broadcast last night. It looked pretty cool. That is all. > >John You can actually watch it at your own convenience at www.starwars.com, although I'm told the site has been totally bogged down with hits this week. -- Nick From mordru at FLITE.NET Fri Nov 20 11:15:44 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 11:15:44 -0500 Subject: HW: the Nova Drive page Message-ID: >Hiya Kevin, > >Whats your snail mail? I have a video of some BORN to GO >live dates that I want to send you. Your site is coming >along nicely - many of the CD covers are awesome! > >Funny too, I have a Robert Gould signed print - I thought >it was from one of the White Wolf Moorcock reissues, but >it turns out to be the Chronicle of the Black Sword cover! >The one with the face in the sky. That one was the cover on the Berkley edition of 'Stormbringer' (the 6th volume).... the cover from the Griffin Live Chronicles was also on one of the Berkley editions... not sure which were first, I also have DAW versions with different artwork.... but my Berkley editions predate Chronicle of the Black Sword and Live Chronicles. I think some of those covers were used on the White Wolf reissues (not certain), but since there were six Berkley covers by Gould, they could easily have used different ones than the ones used on the albums. ============================================ It's the Nexus of the crisis and the Origin of Storms... -"Astronomy" by Blue ?yster Cult -AAA From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Fri Nov 20 13:29:29 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 13:29:29 EST Subject: OFF: Star Wars Trailer Message-ID: John Swartz writes > The trailer for the upcoming (Episode 1) Star Wars movie was shown on my local news broadcast last night. I figured that only happened here, on account of the proximity of Lucas' outfit to San Francisco...pretty amazing that "news" outlets are falling all over themselves for the honor of pimping his product. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Nov 20 13:47:06 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 13:47:06 -0500 Subject: OFF: Star Wars Trailer In-Reply-To: <5271a170.3655b509@aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Nov 1998, Chris Baker wrote: => John Swartz writes => => > The trailer for the upcoming (Episode 1) Star Wars movie was shown on my => local news broadcast last night. => => I figured that only happened here, on account of the proximity of Lucas' => outfit to San Francisco...pretty amazing that "news" outlets are falling all => over themselves for the honor of pimping his product. We got it on our local (SW VA) late news yesterday, too. But I figured that was just because it was the Fox 21/27 10pm news, and the film is by 20th Century Fox. I also thought it was a little off that this was presented as a "news item" rather than just some free promo air time. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET Fri Nov 20 14:13:11 1998 From: nick.lee2 at VIRGIN.NET (Nick Lee) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:13:11 -0000 Subject: HW:Lord of the Hornets [Moorcock] Message-ID: > >Was there really a Jerry Cornelius newspaper comic called "The English >Asassin"? > Yup, although it was called "The Adventures of Jerry Cornelius" and ran in International Times issues 57-71, reprinted in "The (New) Nature of the Catastrophe". It was scripted by Moorcock and M. John Harrison and drawn by Mal Dean and M. Glyn Jones. Its not bad in a trashy sort of way. Cheers, Nick From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Nov 20 14:39:16 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 14:39:16 -0500 Subject: OFF: Star Wars Trailer Message-ID: >> The trailer for the upcoming (Episode 1) Star Wars movie was shown on my local news broadcast last night. >pretty amazing that "news" outlets are falling all over themselves for the honor of pimping his product. IMHO, they can "pimp" it all they want. As Brian said, this may be more eagerly awaited than "Heaven Forbid" (well, not quite). Besides, with all the sh*t that fills the news headlines today, it was great to see this - it lifted my spirits tremendously. John PS: Happy Birthday to Deb Frost of the Brain Surgeons - even though she probably won't see this. From StevenTice at AOL.COM Fri Nov 20 16:28:49 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:28:49 EST Subject: OFF: Star Wars Trailer Message-ID: Well, Headline News just ran the full trailer...maybe they'll be doing it every half hour, and no doubt on CNN as well...I guess it's news! :-) SET From mordru at FLITE.NET Fri Nov 20 17:03:23 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:03:23 -0500 Subject: OFF: Star Wars Trailer Message-ID: >Well, Headline News just ran the full trailer...maybe they'll be doing it >every half hour, and no doubt on CNN as well...I guess it's news! :-) Well, that's just because of James Earl Jones "This is CNN" tie-in. ============================================ It's the Nexus of the crisis and the Origin of Storms... -"Astronomy" by Blue ?yster Cult -AAA From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Nov 20 17:53:58 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:53:58 -0500 Subject: OFF: frrrrrrrrrrripp! and stuff In-Reply-To: <199811131330.IAA10375@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Nov 1998, John A Swartz wrote: => > Although, for pragmatic reasons, the "gold discs sound better" is => > essentially bogus, => => I've heard that (although I don't know if it's true - any audiophiles => care to comment?) that the gold discs actually do sound better to the => material because, I believe, that gold has better reflective properties, => which ends up resulting in less missed bits (and subsequent error => correction). Certainly, however, I agree with the assertion that the => main reason they sound better is do to remastering. Well, that's why I said "essentially bogus" (maybe "mostly bogus" would've been better?). A gold substrate does have certain advantages over the usual aluminium one found in "regular" CDs. Mostly, it is less reactive, and so less likely to corrode or oxidise (e.g., due to scratches), thus increasing the longevity of the disc. Since it is a more "stable" substrate, it will give a lower bit-level error rate (BLER), *but* not enough to justify significant extra $$$. The thing I find most bogus about MoFi's "justification" is that they seem to imply that a higher BLER will somehow "strain" your CD player's electronics. This is intuitively silly. The error correction (EC) circuitry couldn't give a rats ass about the BLER so long as it is below correctable levels. Bits in, bits out; it's all the same. It just gets on with the job, whether the bit is right or wrong. Besides, if a gold substrate meant the price had to be higher, how is it that the Kodak "gold" CD-R blanks (w/InfoGuard and gold substrate) are a dollar *cheaper* than all the non-gold substrate green/blue/gold dye blanks in the local campus bookstore here??? Methinks something fishy gwine on here. :-) MoFi should just fess up and say it's higher quality mastering you're really paying for, but I guess it's easier to sell something tangible like "real 24K gold discs" to the masses. Gold, that's expensive, right? :-) Cheers, Paul. obCD-R: Gov't Mule, _Dancing Across the Water_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Nov 20 18:06:43 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 18:06:43 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: the new album In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 15 Nov 1998, Albert T Bouchard wrote: => Brian and friends: => => >Any update on the new album? How is everything coming together? Throw us a => >bone here- two months is a long time to wait! ;-) => => OK OK already! You made me feel so guilty about not working on it that I => spent today and last night finishing up four more tracks. Now we have 5 => finished tracks with rough mixes. I can't do finals yet because I decided => to upgrade to mac OS 8.5 and my Performer software (that I use for mixing) => doesn't work anymore. Bummer! MOTU (makers of Performer) are working to => help me with a work around so I should be automated again soon. Anyway, as => a result I'm now facing a week of classes with almost no homework done and => it's all your fault! I hope you're satisfied. Hey, I wish someone had come to me during my stints as a TA with an excuse like that! Especially if they happened to be Al Bouchard. I can picture it now: Al: Sorry the homework's late. I had to finish the latest Surgeons album, and it took a bit longer than I expected. Me: Oh, I guess it's okay this time, Al... so long as you autograph my copy when it comes out! Cheers, Paul. obCD-R: Gov't Mule, _Dancing Across the Water_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From Mondello1 at AOL.COM Fri Nov 20 20:21:16 1998 From: Mondello1 at AOL.COM (Steven Defoe) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 20:21:16 EST Subject: BOC: Gold Tyranny Message-ID: Has anybody heard this and what do you think? From StevenTice at AOL.COM Fri Nov 20 23:27:06 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 23:27:06 EST Subject: OFF: Star Wars Trailer Message-ID: In a message dated 11/20/98 5:04:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, mordru at FLITE.NET writes: << >Well, Headline News just ran the full trailer...maybe they'll be doing it >every half hour, and no doubt on CNN as well...I guess it's news! :-) Well, that's just because of James Earl Jones "This is CNN" tie-in. >> Ha ha, well, CNN considers even the most trivial and insignificant of things to be news, often....and this bit of news is at least of interest to a lot of people...but I remember the time they did a feature on some guy who would sit his chameleon on his motorized toy car and zoom it around... While, in the meantime, important stories are being totally ignored by all of the mainstream media...but I digress... SET From bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL Sat Nov 21 06:14:19 1998 From: bart at BUNDERSBOS.DEMON.NL (Bart Brugmans) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 12:14:19 +0100 Subject: OFF: Star Wars Trailer In-Reply-To: <199811201719.MAA24807@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: > >The trailer for the upcoming (Episode 1) Star Wars movie was shown on my > >local news broadcast last night. It looked pretty cool. That is all. > > > >John > > You can actually watch it at your own convenience at > www.starwars.com, although I'm told the site has been totally bogged > down with hits this week. http://www.starwars.org is what you mean, I guess --BArt From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Nov 21 06:42:14 1998 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:42:14 +1100 Subject: HW: Track on PF Encyclopedia Message-ID: Hi folks, Thought some you would be interested in this news release .... Soniqu? ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:05:42 -0500 From: Vernon Fitch Subject: The Pink Floyd Encyclopedia To: SOnique Greetings! It is with great pleasure that I announce the publication of my new book, The Pink Floyd Encyclopedia. I will be doing various of promos about the book, explaining some of the numerous areas and research projects that I covered. But I thought you would be particularly interested to hear about the very special CD that is included with the book. During the writing of The Pink Floyd Encyclopedia, it was decided to include a CD with the book. And since the Encyclopedia encompasses the various bands and musicians that Pink Floyd members have been involved with in session work over the years, we thought that it would be particularly interesting to have one of the bands that has played with a Pink Floyd member in the past go into the studio and record a Pink Floyd song for us. One of my favorite of these bands, and one that still encompasses the spirit of the early Pink Floyd, is Hawkwind. So Dave Brock was approached and asked if Hawkwind would go into the studio and record a version of Interstellar Overdrive for exclusive release with my book. He agreed, and Hawkwind went into Earth Studios in Devon this summer and recorded Interstellar Overdrive as well as a brand new Hawkwind song, called Hyperdrive Reprise. These two songs appear exclusively on a CD packaged with The Pink Floyd Encyclopedia. A truly exciting release. For more information on The Pink Floyd Encyclopedia, visit: The Pink Floyd Archives home page at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/PFArchives Think Pink, Vernon Fitch The Pink Floyd Archives ----------------------------------- The Pink Floyd Encyclopedia 456 pages includes: The Pink Floyd Reference Encyclopedia Pink Floyd concert dates Solo member concert dates Pink Floyd equipment listing an in-depth look at the Publius Enigma plus an exclusive CD of Hawkwind performing Interstellar Overdrive and Hyperdrive Reprise ISBN: 1-896522-44-0 Price: $24.95 Available now -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #14292706 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Nov 21 06:14:57 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 11:14:57 +0000 Subject: OFF: Star Wars Trailer In-Reply-To: <199811201358.IAA05318@panix3.panix.com> Message-ID: In article <199811201358.IAA05318 at panix3.panix.com>, Jeff Berry writes >>The trailer for the upcoming (Episode 1) Star Wars movie was shown on my >>local news broadcast last night. It looked pretty cool. That is all. >>John > > >I don't know - the "cute kid" factor could be dangerously high ... > >JB I realise how difficult this is going to be, but could our US cousins bear in minds the film is not released in the UK for several months after May 20th 1999. It's going to very difficult not to hear the entire plot months before any danger of getting near a cinema. If you guys insist on discussing the thing here, after you've seen it, please at least remember to put spoiler warnings on your posts. cheers! -- Jon From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Nov 21 12:12:28 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 17:12:28 +0000 Subject: OFF: ORGAZMO Message-ID: Has anyone seen the film Orgazmo yet? I believe it came out in the US three weeks ago. It's written, directed and stars Trey Parker (SouthPark). I've just been sent a promo of the soundtrack (mainly hiphop / crossover), but the plot line seems suitably weird. Joe Young is Orgazmo, a porn superhero who uses an orgazmorator ray gun that stops criminlas in their tracks with powerful orgasms! Any good, anyone? Z Zeitgeist-Reflections Of The Underground Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Nov 21 12:13:24 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 17:13:24 +0000 Subject: HW influenced band requires drummer - Scotland Message-ID: Recording project underway in Lanarkshire, Scotland based on Hawkwind. Some material recorded, lots more still to do. We have our own rehearsal/recording facilities. telephone 01698-881717 evenings and weekends, ask for Gavin Wilson Zeitgeist-Reflections Of The Underground Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Nov 21 12:37:26 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 01:37:26 +0800 Subject: OFF: Klaatu Web Site Message-ID: Hi there A few weeks back there was a discussion about Klaatu. Anyway, I've just found a web site for them, which is full of info such as all their albums with covers (and I discovered the one which I only ever so once. It was their 5th, and last, album, Magentalane). It's on this location http://www.mdc.net/~db65/klaatu.html William From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Sat Nov 21 16:56:04 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 16:56:04 -0500 Subject: OFF: Star Wars Trailer Message-ID: Just heard that Lucas is only going to allow the new one to be seen in as many venues as the original. I presume the reasons for this are many, but think that primarily: 1. Generate HUGE crowds and minor ticket-skirmishes for maximum media coverage. 2. Shoot for the record as longest running movie in history. 3. Charge the hell out of the venues for the priviledge of being one of the few places to offer the movie, likely forcing theatres to temporarily raise the price of admission. Just a guess... (No need to worry about spoilers from me, I will wait for the vid or at best, the re-shows.) rj -----Original Message----- From: Jon Browne To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Saturday, November 21, 1998 7:33 AM Subject: Re: OFF: Star Wars Trailer >In article <199811201358.IAA05318 at panix3.panix.com>, Jeff Berry > writes >>>The trailer for the upcoming (Episode 1) Star Wars movie was shown on my >>>local news broadcast last night. It looked pretty cool. That is all. >>>John >> >> >>I don't know - the "cute kid" factor could be dangerously high ... >> >>JB > >I realise how difficult this is going to be, but could our US cousins >bear in minds the film is not released in the UK for several months >after May 20th 1999. It's going to very difficult not to hear the entire >plot months before any danger of getting near a cinema. If you guys >insist on discussing the thing here, after you've seen it, please at >least remember to put spoiler warnings on your posts. > >cheers! >-- >Jon From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Sat Nov 21 17:13:05 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 16:13:05 -0600 Subject: OFF: ORGAZMO Message-ID: Zeitgeist wrote: > Has anyone seen the film Orgazmo yet? I believe it came out in the US three > weeks ago. It's written, directed and stars Trey Parker (SouthPark). > > I've just been sent a promo of the soundtrack (mainly hiphop / crossover), > but the plot line seems suitably weird. Joe Young is Orgazmo, a porn > superhero who uses an orgazmorator ray gun that stops criminlas in their > tracks with powerful orgasms! > > Any good, anyone? > > Z > Zeitgeist-Reflections Of The Underground > Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK > http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com ROTFL! I gota see this :-). Anybody see that Baseketball movie, and how was it. I always enjoyed South Park. Laj. From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Sat Nov 21 17:10:58 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 16:10:58 -0600 Subject: BOC: Gold Tyranny Message-ID: Steven Defoe wrote: > Has anybody heard this and what do you think? MoFi is planing to release the first two BOC albums gold, why there not bothering with Secret Treaties eludes me. I talked to somebody at MoFi and they told me to check back in a few months (which was about a month ago now), so at least it's in the plans. There URL is: www.mofi.com . Laj. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sun Nov 22 13:20:29 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 13:20:29 -0500 Subject: Fillmore Gregg Allman Sighting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 22 Nov 1998 Clovis007 at AOL.COM wrote: => In a message dated 11/21/98 6:45:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, => cmestel at LELAND.STANFORD.EDU writes: [Gov't Mule 11/20/98 Fillmore setlist.] => > One Way Out***+ => > *** w/ Gregg, Duane, and ????? => GUITARIST FROM MONSTER MAGNET, NOT SURE OF NAME>> I presume you mean Ed Mundell (Monster Magnet lead guitarist, not the rhythm guitarist they added recently, whose name I forget)? That's wild, Ed jamming with the Mule. I'm a Monster Magnet fan from waaay back; (obEMULE:) they do a tasty cover of "Sin's a Good Man's Brother" (also covered by the Mule) on _Spine of God_ (my fave Magnet album)... Cheers, Paul. PS: Significant lack of hair combing, but live Monster Magnet have an abundance of "stage presence." ;-) e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Sun Nov 22 23:35:00 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 04:35:00 +0000 Subject: OFF: ORGAZMO Message-ID: > > Has anyone seen the film Orgazmo yet? I believe it came out in the US three > > weeks ago. It's written, directed and stars Trey Parker (SouthPark). > ROTFL! I gota see this :-). Anybody see that Baseketball movie, and how was it. > I always enjoyed South Park. Haven't seen either of these yet. I heard that BASEketball really sucked, but then again, Parker and Stone were just the stars...I don't think they had anything more to do with it. Orgazmo is definitely their movie, and I think the main reason few people have seen it so far is cuz it's NC-17...this may have changed, but last I heard they had given up on the MPAA (like so many before them) and just decided to go with the harsher rating. BTW, if you love South Park and/or the Parker/Stone combo, look for a film called "Cannibal: The Musical" -- a pre-South Park independant these guys did. It was released by Troma (The Toxic Avenger People). It's a frontier Western/Musical based on (I think) the Donner Party crossing, and the real-life first guy ever convicted of cannibalism in the United States. Features a man singing a love song to his horse ("When I'm On Top Of You")...and a hilarious number called "Let's Build a Snowman". If you like messed-up movies, this one HAS to be on your list! -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Sun Nov 22 23:35:00 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 04:35:00 +0000 Subject: OFF: Star Wars Trailer Message-ID: > Ha ha, well, CNN considers even the most trivial and insignificant of things > to be news, often....and this bit of news is at least of interest to a lot of > people...but I remember the time they did a feature on some guy who would sit > his chameleon on his motorized toy car and zoom it around... While, in the > meantime, important stories are being totally ignored by all of the mainstream > media...but I digress... > > SET I think CNN/HNN do a pretty decent job of covering the worthwhile stuff. You've gotta remember, they have 24 hours a day of airtime (excluding commercials) to fill! -- Nick From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Nov 23 08:39:08 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 08:39:08 -0500 Subject: OFF: ORGAZMO In-Reply-To: <199811231037.FAA09260@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Nov 1998, wrote: => BTW, if you love South Park and/or the Parker/Stone combo, look => for a film called "Cannibal: The Musical" -- a pre-South Park => independant these guys did. It was released by Troma (The Toxic _Orgazmo_ is also a pre-South Park independent that one of these guys did, too, at least that's what one of them said when hawking the film on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno. I guess you've got to milk your 15 minutes for every penny it's worth... Cheers, Paul. NP: Gov't Mule, Tree's, Dallas, Texas, 4/4/98 (disc 2) e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Mon Nov 23 09:28:48 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 09:28:48 -0500 Subject: OFF: Star Wars Trailer Message-ID: >Just heard that Lucas is only going to allow the new one to be seen in as >many venues as the original. I presume the reasons for this are >many, but think that primarily: LucasFilm is releasing it in over 3,000 THX approved theaters and their equivalents (SDDS, etc.). The "official" reason is that THX has added a new center channel speaker to their sound system, and they don't want the film shown in sub-par theaters. Sells a lot of speakers too.... On a related note, theaters who reveived the SW trailer also received a note which said that LucasFilm knows how many trailers were sent to each theater, and if any are not returned those theaters will not be given the full trailer (Jan-Feb '99), or possible even be allowed to show the movie! Brian ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html -The new Fierce Wicker electronic showroom Update 11/16: The FW interview ---------- From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Nov 23 05:22:48 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:22:48 +0000 Subject: BOC: Reference Message-ID: Just picked up The Official Godzilla Compenium. In the introduction, it lists all the ways Godzilla has filtered into our society, including "...a song by Blue Oyster Cult..." This is a pretty neat book, and probably a must-have for the Godzilla-head; although in some spots, it seems written for the younger reader...for instance, the authors at times attempt to explain how certain monsters were killed in one movie but later returned in another...kind of silly. Even though it's a pretty short book, it's got awesome pictures, lots of cool trivia and a synopsis of EVERY Godzilla movie... except Bambi vs. Godzilla. -- Nick From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Nov 23 10:30:46 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 07:30:46 -0800 Subject: BOC: Gold Tyranny Message-ID: >Has anybody heard this and what do you think? Its not out yet. What I do know is that I will be in line to buy it when its released. The only digitally re-mastered version of this classic album. Hopefully Mo-Fi gets off the snide and includes Secret Treaties too. Ghost in the Ruins OBCD- Siagon Kick, Devil In The Details From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Nov 23 10:33:56 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:33:56 -0500 Subject: OFF: Star Wars Trailer Message-ID: >>>The trailer for the upcoming (Episode 1) Star Wars movie was shown on my >>local news broadcast last night. It looked pretty cool. That is all. >>I don't know - the "cute kid" factor could be dangerously high ... >I realise how difficult this is going to be, but could our US cousins bear in minds the film is not released in the UK for several months after May 20th 1999. It's going to very difficult not to hear the entire plot months before any danger of getting near a cinema. If you guys insist on discussing the thing here, after you've seen it, please at least remember to put spoiler warnings on your posts. Agreed. Then again, ANY of us will probably be able to access the whole plot if we want to via the 'net (I do recall being rather angry that my local paper carried most of the plot - at least some of the main mysteries surrounding Luke and his family - of "Return of the Jedi" before I saw it). I fully support not giving away the plot. BUT - I don't think any of the above discussion warranted a spoiler warning. John From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Tue Nov 24 02:36:31 1998 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 07:36:31 GMT Subject: BOC: Metallica cover of 'Astronomy' Message-ID: Has anyone else out there (apart from Al) heard this yet ? I heard it yesterday, its pretty much what one would expect, with a beefed up Metallica-stlye chorus, and James Hetfield doing his best with the vocals, which aren't bad. Now what they've done to 'Whiskey in the Jar' is a different matter.... :-) Neil. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Nov 24 03:57:22 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:57:22 -0000 Subject: BOC: Metallica cover of 'Astronomy' In-Reply-To: <199811240736.HAA06875@achemar.gatwick.Geco-Prakla.slb.com> Message-ID: > > Has anyone else out there (apart from Al) heard this yet ? > I found the HardRadio web site, which has excerpts fo several tracks off _Garage Inc._, including "Astronomy". It sounded good, but I wasn't too sure about the other tracks I tried (Skynyrd's "Tuesday's Gone" sounded especially dodgy), and as I had about half the album already I gave it a miss, even though Selectadisc had it for ?15.99. It's at http://www.hardradio.com/metallica/metallica.html. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Nov 24 01:41:32 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 06:41:32 +0000 Subject: OFF: Star wars trailer Message-ID: Not to be snitty or anything, but while someone tried to correct me recently, I just did a check and the trailer for the episode I Star Trek prequel is indeed at www.starwars.com, not starwars.org. Although it might be at starwars.org. I don't know. I've never been there. Heck, I don't even really like Star Wars! : ) -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Nov 24 01:44:57 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 06:44:57 +0000 Subject: OFF: Star Wars trailer II Message-ID: Okay, my last freakin' post on the subject... Although many probably knew this already, I just found that starwars.com and starwars.org are exactly the same site...the official Star Wars website. I guess Lucasfilm had the foresight to swallow up the Star Wars domain name before anyone could nab it. -- Nick From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Tue Nov 24 07:37:22 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:37:22 +0000 Subject: BOC: 'stron'my Message-ID: Splendid, I'm sure - unless some bastard's nicked your soundcard. ARSE! :-( First the post (all my bleedin' birthday cards included), then my soundcard. Cheers, Rich. ** The word 'pontificate' derives from the Old Norse word for herring ** Andy Gilham wrote: > > > > Has anyone else out there (apart from Al) heard this yet ? > > > > I found the HardRadio web site, which has excerpts fo several tracks > off > _Garage Inc._, including "Astronomy". It sounded good, but I wasn't > too > sure about the other tracks I tried (Skynyrd's "Tuesday's Gone" > sounded > especially dodgy), and as I had about half the album already I gave it > a > miss, even though Selectadisc had it for ?15.99. > > It's at http://www.hardradio.com/metallica/metallica.html. > > - Andy > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; > http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From chip at PCC.COM Tue Nov 24 08:37:19 1998 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:37:19 -0500 Subject: Trepanation Update Message-ID: > WEIRDNUZ.545 (News of the Weird, July 17, 1998) > by Chuck Shepherd > > * Distrust of modern medicine has led to the increasing popularity > of therapeutic self-trepanation (drilling a hole in the head to unseal > the skull), according to a June Chicago Tribune story. Trepanation > activist Peter Halvorson recalled that drilling into his own skull 25 > years ago ("Smoke was coming out of the hole," he said) brought > him "a heightened, childlike sense of awareness" and a permanent > state of higher consciousness. Neurosurgeons contacted used > words like "amazed" and "stunned" at the craze, but according to > the report, trepanists seem so confident of the procedure that > criticism of them just wasn't sinking in. > Copyright 1998 by Universal Press > Syndicate. FYI. -- Chip Hart * chip @ pcc.com Physicians's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 1 Main Street * Work:800-722-7708 Winooski, VT 05404 * Fax: 802-846-8178 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Nov 24 04:05:59 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:05:59 +0000 Subject: OFF: Star Wars Trailer In-Reply-To: <199811231533.KAA17968@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: In article <199811231533.KAA17968 at mbunix.mitre.org>, John A Swartz writes >BUT - I don't think any of the >above discussion warranted a spoiler warning. Fair enough, it didn't, I just wanted to say so early. I'm little prickly about this, working in a comic shop, at least 15 times a day someone will comes in to share the tiniest detail they've heard. I've not bothered going to so many big films because there's been no point by the time I can get there. ID4 springs to mind. I'm thinking about flying out to see it, a fair number of my friends definitely are going to do this. I'll get back and tell the whole story to every customer that walks in the door in return for every movie they've spoiled over the last 12 years! -- Jon From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Nov 24 10:07:26 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 07:07:26 -0800 Subject: OFF: John Swartz you're gonna love it! Message-ID: Got this from a friend. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > The Life and Art of Bass Playing > by Tony Levin > > In the beginning there was a bass. It was a Fender, probably a Precision, > but it could have been a Jazz - nobody knows. Anyway, it was very old ... > definitely pre-C.B.S. > > And God looked down upon it and saw that it was good. He saw that it was > very good in fact, and couldn't be improved on at all (though men would > later try.) And so He let it be and He created a man to play the bass. > > And lo the man looked upon the bass, which was a beautiful 'sunburst' red, > and he loved it. He played upon the open E string and the note rang > through > the earth and reverberated throughout the firmaments (thus reverb came to > be.) And it was good. And God heard that it was good and He smiled at his > handiwork. > > Then in the course of time, the man came to slap upon the bass. And lo it > was funky. > > And God heard this funkiness and He said, "Go man, go." And it was good. > > And more time passed, and, having little else to do, the man came to > practice upon the bass. And lo, the man came to have upon him a great set > of > chops. And he did play faster and faster until the notes rippled like a > breeze through the heavens. > > And God heard this sound which sounded something like the wind, which He > had > created earlier. It also sounded something like the movement of furniture, > which He hadn't even created yet, and He was not so pleased. And He spoke > to the man, saying "Don't do that!" > > Now the man heard the voice of God, but he was so excited about his new > ability that he slapped upon the bass a blizzard of funky notes. And the > heavens shook with the sound, and the Angels ran about in confusion. > (Some > of the Angels started to dance, but that's another story.) > > And God heard this - how could He miss it - and lo He became Bugged. And > He > spoke to the man, and He said, "Listen man, if I wanted Jimi Hendrix I > would > have created the guitar. Stick to the bass parts." > > And the man heard the voice of God, and he knew not to mess with it. But > now > he had upon him a passion for playing fast and high. The man took the > frets > off of the bass which God had created. And the man did slide his fingers > upon the fretless fingerboard and play melodies high upon the neck. And, > in > his excitement, the man did forget the commandment of the Lord, and he > played a frenzy of high melodies and blindingly fast licks. And the > heavens > rocked with the assault and the earth shook, rattled and rolled. > > Now God's wrath was great. And His voice was thunder as He spoke to the > man. > > And He said, "O.K. for you, pal. You have not heeded My word. Lo, I shall > create a soprano saxophone and it shall play higher than you can even > think > of." > > "And from out of the chaos I shall bring forth the drums. And they shall > play so many notes thine head shall ache, and I shall make you to always > stand next to the drummer." > > "You think you're loud? I shall create a stack of Marshall guitar amps to > make thine ears bleed. And I shall send down upon the earth other > instruments, and lo, they shall all be able to play higher and faster than > the bass." > > "And for all the days of man, your curse shall be this; that all the other > musicians shall look to you, the bass player, for the low notes. > > And if you play too high or fast all the other musicians shall say "Wow" > but > really they shall hate it. And they shall tell you you're ready for your > solo career, and find other bass players for their bands. And for all your > days if you want to play your fancy licks you shall have to sneak them in > like a thief in the night." > > "And if you finally do get to play a solo, everyone shall leave the > bandstand and go to the bar for a drink." > > And it was so. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Ghost in the Ruins OBCD - Queensryche, Operation Mindcrime From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Nov 24 11:09:40 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:09:40 -0500 Subject: OFF: John Swartz you're gonna love it! Message-ID: AB - that was very cool - thanks! Luckily, I can't play all those "fancy licks" to begin with. :-) John From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Tue Nov 24 10:15:26 1998 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:15:26 +0200 Subject: HW:Bruces Message-ID: Hej, I just got back from ten days in the boston area and hooked up with Larry Boyd and Chris and Mary Bruce. Chris has settled his court case and came out on the upside! So Chris and mary are coming back to life and here is how people can reach them. They are suppose to be distributing this Pink Floyd book with the exclusive HW tracks via a deal with Griffin. Chris is producing a few bands, God Smack, Bishop's Strike etc.. Chris and Mary Bruce 716 County Street Apt #7 New Bedford, MA 02740 508-992-0464 Thet seem to be in good spirits and hope to revive the Kadu Flyer but at the moment have not computer as they had to sell it for legal costs. We will see. SCott ObCd- Amon Duul II- Made in germany (1975) From mpower at CICG-DEV.ETSD.ML.COM Tue Nov 24 11:21:31 1998 From: mpower at CICG-DEV.ETSD.ML.COM (Marc Power) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:21:31 -0500 Subject: OFF: John Swartz you're gonna love it! Message-ID: But Lemmy *is* God (from the movie 'Airheads'). In Space we Trust, Marc. --------------------------------------------------------------- Ask me about the BORN to GO free video - or just send me your snail mail (land) address for a copy From mordru at FLITE.NET Tue Nov 24 14:35:31 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:35:31 -0500 Subject: Garage, Inc liner notes Message-ID: Features mentions of each of the covers. On Astronomy/BOC section, it says (written by David Fricke) "Astronomy" comes from Blue ?yster Cult's 1974 guitar-army classic, Secret Treaties. Newsted claims that, in his teenage concert-going years, he saw B?C more than any other band--"becuase they toured more than any other band." I vividly remember seeing them in Philadelphia in '75, Buck Dharma and Eric Bloom locking guitar necks like medieval swordsmen in front of three floor-to-ceiling banners with the group's trademark cross-and-claw logo, turning the classy Shubert Theater on Broad Street into some kind of electric teenage Nuremberg. On record, B?C were metal with brinas. They wrote fierce, savvy garage-noir songs about biker wars and adolescent meltdown. They collaborated with punk priestess Patti Smith and rock critic Richard Meltzer, were literate in 60's punk and psychedelia, and, in Dharma, had a lead guitaris of astounding force and precision. He didn't just play licks; he shoved hot needles in your ears. ----- Earlier, citing influences: "Black Sabbath, Merciful Fate, Discharge, Blue ?yster Cult... Diamond Head and Misfits..... it's obvious which end of the yardstick they come from." Hawkwind gets brief mention in the summary of Lemmy's career. ============================================ Week 12: Vikings 28, Packers 14. Next: Dallas From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Tue Nov 24 16:30:53 1998 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:30:53 EST Subject: Looking for Jerry Van Kooten Message-ID: Jerry, please contact me. Ric From mark.robertson at VIRGIN.NET Wed Nov 25 04:29:15 1998 From: mark.robertson at VIRGIN.NET (mark.robertson@virgin.net) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 09:29:15 -0000 Subject: HW - For Sale - UK Message-ID: Selling cos i'm broke... Greasy Truckers Party (udx 203/4) 30-00ukp Lucky Lief and the Longships (uag 29852) 30-00ukp Robert Calvert and the 1st XI 'Cricket Star' (wur5) 30-00ukp all include postage in the UK. mail me if interested... Mark mark.robertson at virgin.net From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Nov 24 23:48:13 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 04:48:13 +0000 Subject: OFF: Vacation Message-ID: Happy Thanksgiving to all you Americans. And peace to everyone else. I'm off for vacation. Will return December 7th. Don't say anything bad about me, cuz I'll read it when I get back! -- Nick From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Nov 25 05:19:48 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:19:48 +0000 Subject: OFF: John Swartz you're gonna love it! In-Reply-To: <199811241621.LAA06588@xenon> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Marc Power wrote: > But Lemmy *is* God (from the movie 'Airheads'). In the words of the man himself, "I've seen God on acid and he's taller." Yours, Jon -- /----------------------------------------------------------\ | Jonathan Jarrett Pembroke College | | jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk Cambridge | | 01223 338100 CB2 1RF | |----------------------------------------------------------| | "Wilhelm Reich died for your sins" (ST37) | \----------------------------------------------------------/ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Nov 25 10:18:09 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:18:09 -0500 Subject: BOC: Metallica Astronomy Cover Message-ID: Just picked up Metallica's "Garage Inc." and immediately went to Track 8 - their cover of BOC's "Astronomy". Awesome! Sure, the original will always be the best, but Metallica is both true to their own sound and BOC on this version. Now, if they could just have gotten Buck to play an extended guitar solo at the end... John From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Wed Nov 25 10:51:50 1998 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:51:50 -0000 Subject: OFF: John Swartz you're gonna love it! Message-ID: Subject: Re: OFF: John Swartz you're gonna love it! >On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Marc Power wrote: > >> But Lemmy *is* God (from the movie 'Airheads'). > > In the words of the man himself, "I've seen God on acid and he's >taller." Yours, Actually I believe it was: "I've seen God on acid and SHE`S taller." Si ----- "I`ve got 'some' answers to 'most' of your questions!" The Alice Cooper Trivia File - http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/intro.html My Tubes Page - http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/7998/ From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Wed Nov 25 12:17:34 1998 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:17:34 +0000 Subject: HW:Lemmy photo Message-ID: As was pointed out there is an interview in the 2nd edition of Front, the new mens magazine that is attempting to be GQ or FHM or something. Anyway the article is quite interesting, and has a photo of the Lemster in his HW days. I want to know if the 3rd person he is with is anyone of note. You may find the photo at http://www.rdg.ac.uk/~keswrims/lemmy.htm and then rush back and let me know who it is. Cheers Mike w p.s two worthwhile quotes Tell us about the soft side of Lemmy: I really like Enya. She's got a perfect voice - the first album was really wonderful stuff. I really enjoy gardening. I've got a lot of plants in my house. I don't talk to them though, 'cos they've never said a fucking word to me, stand-offish bastards. Finally when the Grim Reaper wants you, are you going to heaven or hell? Neihter, I'll probably go to Stingfellows. From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Wed Nov 25 11:34:23 1998 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas Stuewe) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:34:23 +0100 Subject: HW: 3rd German Hawkon 1999 Message-ID: It will definitely be happening on June 12th 1999, as usual in Hamburg-Harburg. The organizer of this fest, Soenke Kuehne, asked me to spread the news so that anyone interested can make a big cross in his calendar. Soenke hopes that Hawkwind will be coming. He?s in contact with Dave Brock, but it?s all still at planning stage. If HW won?t appear Soenke will invite some lesser known acts such as NT, AD or Bevis Frond instead. If you like to contact him or like to have more news here?s his address: Soenke Kuehne, Thiensen 3, 25373 Ellerhoop or phone him: +49-4120-519 Andreas Stuewe From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Wed Nov 25 18:41:54 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 23:41:54 +0000 Subject: BOC: TP2K Godzilla In-Reply-To: <000101be13ca$b517a5e0$2b2d63c3@default> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Nov 1998, Andy Gilham wrote: > Well, having ordered the Thunderpuss 2000 version of "Godzilla", my > conclusion is it's hilarious when you're pissed but rather lame when you're > sober. It needed to be a full-on hip-hop version ("he PICKS up a BUS an' he > T'ROWS it back DOWN"), but it's not really anything of anything. No wonder > CD Now still had the single in stock six months after release. Well, the first time my brother heard 'Godzilla' he started doing the lyrics in the style of the Beastie Boys, pretty much as you describe... I'm afraid the potential is there! Yours, Jon -- /----------------------------------------------------------\ | Jonathan Jarrett Pembroke College | | jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk Cambridge | | 01223 338100 CB2 1RF | |----------------------------------------------------------| | "Wilhelm Reich died for your sins" (ST37) | \----------------------------------------------------------/ From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Nov 25 23:07:48 1998 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 23:07:48 -0500 Subject: BOC: Metallica Astronomy Cover Message-ID: Swartz: >Just picked up Metallica's "Garage Inc." and immediately went to Track 8 - >their cover of BOC's "Astronomy". Awesome! Sure, the original will always >be the best, but Metallica is both true to their own sound and BOC on >this version. Now, if they could just have gotten Buck to play an extended >guitar solo at the end... I love the new Metallica version of Astronomy. I'd say it's very respectful of the original version. There are many things that I like about it that I think are superior to the original but the original is still great (I'd say it's one of my best tunes ever). I was with Metallica last night and they all said that they spent more time working on that song than on any other on the new album. They listened to many different versions of the song, including "Live in the West" bootleg (provided by their current LD, former BOC lighting tech JB) and tried to synthesize the different versions. (They never heard tBS's version unfortunately) Astro: >Speaking of new CDs coming out... how soon can I add the new tBS to my >collection? The new CD is coming along by next week we should be half through with the overdubs, ready to mix by new years and out sometime in early spring. From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Nov 25 23:14:17 1998 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 23:14:17 -0500 Subject: Garage, Inc liner notes Message-ID: > >Hawkwind gets brief mention in the summary of Lemmy's career. > Last night with Lars and James: Yea I did point out that they should check out Needle Gun and Hassah I Sahba from Malpractise. Who knows? Maybe they'll cover HW on the next Garageest Hits album. From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Thu Nov 26 09:25:08 1998 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (Michael R Godwin) Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 14:25:08 +0000 Subject: BOC: Astronomy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Nov 1998, Albert T Bouchard wrote: > I love the new Metallica version of Astronomy. I'd say it's very respectful > of the original version. There are many things that I like about it that I > think are superior to the original but the original is still great (I'd say > it's one of my best tunes ever). What is the origin of the 'Hey! Hey-Hey!' chorus on Imaginos? Whenever I hear it, I feel cheated out of the "Diddly doo do PING! Diddly doo doo PUNG!" bit. Why was it changed? - Mike Godwin From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 26 09:36:53 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 14:36:53 GMT Subject: Spirit of Brock Message-ID: I just got this CD by "Doctor Hasbeen". The CD is a bit mysterious as it all plays as one track and lasts only 24 minutes. However there are six short tracks on the CD including the title track. It's all very Hawkwind style (more so than most of Distant Horizons anyway) though not as heavy and energetic. I enjoyed it anyway and would definitely say that the title track ought to go into forthcoming Shadows of the Hawk tapes. Is anyone still working on that? What's the latest collection of covers tracks? Does anyone have other Doctor Hasbeen stuff? Whats it like? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 26 09:40:20 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 14:40:20 GMT Subject: HW: Interstellar Overdrive Message-ID: Just got the package. I haven't had time to review the book but I've whipped out the CD and given it a spin. It has two tracks: Intersteallar Overdrive Hyperdrive Reprise The first is a fairly faithful rendition of the Pink Floyd classic though with unmistakeably Hawkwind overtones. The second begins as an industrial track reminiscent of much on the 90's albums and is pretty much tantamount to yet another synth noodling effort. Later on the track slows better and ends in a reprise of the first track. Space is Their Palestine it ain't. FoFP From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Nov 26 11:29:32 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 00:29:32 +0800 Subject: Spirit of Brock In-Reply-To: <199811261436.OAA26509@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of M Holmes > Sent: Thursday, 26 November 1998 10:37 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Spirit of Brock > > > I just got this CD by "Doctor Hasbeen". What's the title of the CD, label, etc.? William From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 26 14:03:26 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 19:03:26 GMT Subject: HW: Compiling Live tracks list - Help! Message-ID: Since we're taking out the CD-R's from the Codex, I've started compiling a Komplete live list of Hawkwind tracks. The file that follows is compiled from the information that I have to hand. What I'd like to do is to list each live album or boot that contains live tracks which aren't purely compilations from other sources. If they contain live tracks from different sources I'll list all tracks separately. Obviously there's quite a lot of information missing. If you can help with that then please edit the section for the relevant album, fill it in and email it back to me. Let me know if you think I've forgotten any live tracks and also if some ought to go out because they are in fact studio versions. Hopefully we can get this fairly close to complete. FoFP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Live Record name Recorded Source Town ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Text Of Festival 18.8.70,19.4.71,19.5.71 CD+LP London Space Ritual 22 & 30.12.1972 CD+LP Liverpool & London Space Ritual II 30.12.1972 CD+LP London Roadhawks 30.12.1972 CD+LP London Hall Of The MG 26.01.1974 CD+LP (3Tracks)Lond. PXR5 29.09.1977 CD+LP (3Tracks) Leicester Hawklords Live 24.11.1978 CD Uxbridge Live 79 08.12.1979 CD+LP ??? Zones 31.10.82+18.12.80 CD+LP Bristol, London Glastonbury Festival 20.06.1981 Cass. Worthy Farm Out And Intake 12.11.1982 CD+LP London+ ??? Do Not Panic 18.12.80,20.6.84,21.6.84 CD+LP London+ ??? Live Chronicles 03.12.1985 CD+LP London Palace Springs 10.10.1989 CD+LP Los Angeles California Brainstorm 16.12.1990 CD Oakland Italian Vinile CD 05.11.1990 CD Leicester The Business Trip 27.11.1993 CD+LP Hastings Love in Space 19.10.1996 CD+LP Bristol Sonic Assassins 23.12.1977 EP Barnstaple The EBS Samples Various dates CD Bring Me the Head of.. ????? CD&LP ???? Never Ending Story of.. ????? CD ???? Bristol Bike Show ????? LP ???? Friends & Relations Various dates LP&CD Acid Daze Various dates LP&CD Ambient Anarchists Various dates LP&CD W103 - Free Festivals 22.06.77 & 23.08.75 Cass. Watchfld&Stonehenge W104 - Hawklords Live 23.11.1978 Cass. Plymouth W105 - Hawkwind 76-77 05.10.76&??.06.77 Cass. London & ??? Live at Reading '86 24.08.1986 CD Reading Festival Travellers Aid Trust ??.??.1988 & ??? CD+LP ?? ?? Wir Sind Kinder der Revolte 21.07.96 CD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bootleg name Recorded Source Town ================================================================ Spacerock from London 28.09.1972 CD London Kinetic Playground 13.12.1971 CD Birmingham Kinetic Mind Journey 10.08.1975 Acet. Glasgow Live at the Bottom Line 06.03.1978 LP New York Live-St.Albans '79 08.12.1979 CD St.Albans Golden Void 19.10.1982 LP Glasgow Live At Stonehenge 22.06.1983 LP Stonehenge Undisclosed Files 27.11.1984 & ?.12.88 CD+LP Sheffield + ? Damnation Alley 04.10.1989 CD-R Minneapolis Cyberspace Conspiracy 25.01.1990 LP Nottingham Kings Of Speed, LoL 08.10.1991 CD Bochum Rock City 16.11.1993 CD Nottingham The A Files 23.04.1995 CD-R Boulder Secret Tepee 19.05.1992 CD-R Reading Time of the Hawklords 23.11.1978 & ? CD-R Plymouth + ? A Quark Night in Paris 23.04.1977 CD-R Paris Space Rock From London 28.09.1972 CD London Paris Theatre Atomhenge 76 27.09.1976 CD-R Bristol Colston Hall Theta Orionis ??? CD ??? ??? Orgasmatron different dates CD Dawn of Hawkwind different dates CD Live At Watchf. and Stoneh. 22.06.77 & 23.08.75 LP Watchfield&Stonehenge Assasins Of Allah different dates LP Nova Drive different dates CD-R Timeless Paens different dates CD-R Corridor of Flame different dates CD-R -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nova Drive 1995/9 CD-R (Discontent DISC20470 - US) ---------- 4pg inlay with blank foldout. Cover with white background. Very few released with a slightly different cover - light grey background. The very small run of a total of 35 pcs depended on the appearance of "Terra Mystica", which made Doug Smith roar a bit. The last track is a chant from the middle of LSD. TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Born To Go 28.05.84 Ramsgate, Marina Park Spirit of the Age 13.11.94 Koln, Live Music Hall Nova Drive 10.11.80 Doncaster, Rotters Alien 23.04.95 Boulder, Fox Theatre Silver Machine 08.04.95 Springfield, Jaxx Sputnik Stan 23.04.95 Boulder, Fox Theatre Terra Mystica ? Studio Recording Wastelands 22.04.88 London, Hammy Odeon Cold War Kid 06.10.78 Oxford, New Theatre Damage of Life 03.06.89 Woolwich, Coronet Paradox 08.11.86 Birmingham, Odeon Magnu 07.10.89 San Francisco, Stone Doremifasolatido 23.04.89 Boulder, Fox Theatre -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Timeless Paens 1996 CD-R (Nova Drive - US) -------------- Standard CD-Recordable disc. Tracks recorded from various venues and dates, mainly from late 80's or later. The idea was to have new (80's & 90's) versions of Space Ritual-era songs. Some in the early run had a defect with a lot of sparkle, cracks and dropouts. TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Brainstorm 18.05.1991 Detroit Latin Quarter Paranoia 12.10.1991 Tilburg Nooderligt Down Through The Night 07.10.1989 San Francisco Stone You Shouldn't Do That 23.04.1995 Boulder Fox Theatre Urban Guerilla 23.04.1995 Boulder Fox Theatre Only Dreamning 13.11.1994 Koln Live Music Hall Born To Go 21.02.1984 Sheffield City Hall 10 Seconds Of Forever 21.02.1984 Sheffield City Hall 7 By 7 24.04.1992 Brighton Event Time We Left 24.04.1992 Brighton Event Master Of The Universe 17.05.1991 St.Catherines Hideaway Be Yourself 25.04.1993 Tilburg Nooderligt Sonic Attack 22.04.1988 London Hammersmith Silver Machine 13.10.1981 Bradford St.Georges Hall Welcome 23.04.1995 Boulder Fox Theatre -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Corridor Of Flame 1996 CD-R (Nova Drive - US) ----------------- 4pg inlay with 'Golden Void' lyrics. Both disc and front cover is numbered. Two different tracklist versions exist - with or without "Time for Sale" Tracks is recorded from various venues and dates, over the whole career of Hawkwind. First appearance of Beast of Chaos and Waiting for My Man. TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Tech.of Spaceship Earth 13.12.71 Birmingham Kinetic Playground Void of Golden Light 23.04.95 Boulder Fox Theatre Lost Chronicles 01.10.88 Clyro Court Festival Mark of Cain 01.06.85 Folkestone Leas Cliffe Hall The Secret Agent 29.04.93 Utrecht Tivoli Beast of Chaos 16.10.71 Potter's Bar Elm Court Crystal Void 06.07.91 London Brixton Academy Steppenwolf 12.11.82 Hammersmith Odeon Lord of Light 28.10.95 Berlin Marquee Cajun Jinx 27.11.86 Hammersmith Odeon Phone Home Elliott 15.11.82 Chippenham Goldigger's Club Age of the Micro Man 05.04.95 St.Catherine's Hideaway Waiting For My Man 27.02.77 London Roundhouse PXR5 06.12.79 Preston Guild Hall The Golden Void 27.10.81 Oxford Apollo Theatre -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Orgasmatron 1992 (Bootleg CD) (Cargo CARGOCD22 - UK) ----------- 2pg inlay - flipside is blank. Sleeve notes. Limited edition of 500 copies. First album appearance of New Jerusalem and Starfarers Despatch. TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE The Right Stuff 16.04.85 ECT TV Soundtrack Angels of Death 16.04.85 ECT TV Soundtrack New Jerusalem 04.12.79 Ipswich Gaumont Starfarers Despatch 12.12.71 Birmingham Kinetic Playground Master of the Universe 12.12.71 Birmingham Kinetic Playground Mask of Morning 24.04.92 Brighton Event Images 02.07.90 Bournemouth Academy Brainstorm 20.06.84 Stonehenge Magnu 24.08.85 Crystal Palace Shot Down In The Night 22.04.88 Hammersmith Odeon -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Time of the Hawklords CD-R --------------------- Tracks mostly from the Weird 104 tape. TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Time of ? Studio Death Trap 23.11.78 Plymouth Polytechnic Micro Man 23.11.78 Plymouth Polytechnic Spirit of the Age 23.11.78 Plymouth Polytechnic Urban Guerilla 23.11.78 Plymouth Polytechnic Steppenwolf 23.11.78 Plymouth Polytechnic Free Fall 23.11.78 Plymouth Polytechnic Uncle Sam's on Mars 23.11.78 Plymouth Polytechnic The Iron Dream 23.11.78 Plymouth Polytechnic Who's Gonna Win the War? ? ? Flying Doctor ? ? Brainstorm ? ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Text Of Festival: Live 1970-2 (Illuminated/DemiMonde 1983) -------------------- Sides 1 and 2 reissued as In The Beginning & Masters of the Universe TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Master Of The Universe 18.08.70 London Dreaming 18.08.70 London Shouldn't Do That 18.08.70 London Hurry On A Sundown 05.11.70 London Paranoia 05.11.70 London Seeing It As.... 05.11.70 London I Do It 05.11.70 London Sound..Shouldn't... 19.04.71 London Improvise..Compromise.. 19.05.71 London -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Assassins of Allah 1994 Bootleg LP (blank label, HWD3 in runout groove - UK) ------------------ Poor man 'inlay' cover with a 3" wraparound. Limited edition of 300 copies, numbered. Contains rare Hawkwind vinyl tracks. Cover art is a sacred Islam painting. TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Master of the Universe ? ? ? Born To Go ? ? ? Silver Machine ? ? ? Welcome to the Future ? ? ? Assassins of Allah ? ? ? Master of the Universe ? ? ? Silver Machine ? ? ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greasy Trucker's Party (with various artists) (UA) ---------------------- One of two Double LP recordings of multiple artists from the "Greasy Truckers Party". TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Master of the Universe 13.02.72 London Roundhouse Born To Go 13.02.72 London Roundhouse Glastonbury Fayre (with various artists) (Revelation) ----------------- Triple LP of various artists at early Glastonbury Festivals at Worthy Farm. While Hawkwind did appear in the early days, and in fact had early rehearsals at the farm, the track on the album was from the Greasy Truckers Party. TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Silver Machine 13.02.72 London Roundhouse -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dawn Of Hawkwind 1994 CD Bootleg ---------------- TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Silver Machine ? ? ? Brainstorm ? ? ? Master of the Universe ? ? ? Announcements ? ? ? Born To Go ? ? ? Silver Machine ? ? ? Welcome to the Future ? ? ? Dawn/Sunrise ? ? ? Frisco Jam ? ? ? Silver Machine/Paranoia ? ? ? Master of the Universe ? ? ? Needle Gun ? ? ? - ??.??.72 XXXXX - 13.02.72 London - 28.06.72 Trentishoe - 17.12.90 SF - 20.06.86 Bristol - 19.11.85 Aberdeen -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Space Ritual* TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Earth Calling ? ? ? Born to Go ? ? ? Down Through the Night ? ? ? The Awakening ? ? ? Lord of Light ? ? ? The Black Corridor ? ? ? Space is Deep ? ? ? Electronic #1 ? ? ? Orgone Accumulator ? ? ? Upside Down ? ? ? 10 Seconds of Forever ? ? ? Brainstorm ? ? ? 7 by 7 ? ? ? Sonic Attack ? ? ? Time We Left ? ? ? Master of the Universe ? ? ? Welcome to the Future ? ? ? Born To Go [EMI] ? ? ? Master ot Universe [EMI] ? ? ? Shouldn't Do That [EMI] ? ? ? Clues: - 22.12.72 Liverpool - 30.12.72 Brixton -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hall Of The Mountain Grill -------------------------- TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Psychedelic Warlords ? ? ? Wind Of Change ? ? ? D-Rider ? ? ? Web Weaver ? ? ? You'd Better Believe It ? ? ? Hall Of Mountain Grill ? ? ? Lost Johnny ? ? ? Goat Willow ? ? ? Paradox ? ? ? Psych. Warlords [EMI] ? ? ? It's So Easy [EMI] ? ? ? Better Believe It [EMI] ? ? ? Paradox [EMI] ? ? ? Clues: - 26.01.74 Edmonton -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Watchfield/Stonehenge (Festival HAWK1 - UK LP) [Also Weird 103] --------------------- Original has "Hawkwind Roadies Erecting Scenery" cover. Label says band is "The Hawks", credit goes to "Bob and the Hawks" Rereleased in various covers and with various titles, "Live and Buzzing", "Alive and Kicking" and "Live at Stonehenge". Bootleg of Weird 103 tape. Recorded live in Stonehenge Free Festival - 22/6/77 and in Watchfield Free Festival - 23/8/75 TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE High Rise ? ? ? Damnation Alley ? ? ? Uncle Sam's on Mars ? ? ? Robot ? ? ? Cake Out ? ? ? Circles ? ? ? Elements ? ? ? Slap it on de Table ? ? ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77 ---------------------------- There were two versions of this tape released, the second being released when the earlier one was withdrawn. TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE (a) Flying Doctor ? ? ? Back on the Streets ? ? ? Paranoia ? ? ? Chronoglide Skyway ? ? ? Back on the Streets ? ? ? Assassins of Allah ? ? ? Forge of Vulcan ? ? ? Steppenwolf ? ? ? Where are they Now? ? ? ? (b) Back on the Streets ? ? ? Chronoglide Skyway ? ? ? Brainstorm ? ? ? Wind of Change ? ? ? Assassins of Allah ? ? ? Forge of Vulcan ? ? ? Steppenwolf ? ? ? Where are they Now? ? ? ? Clues: - 05.10.76 London - ??.06.77 XXXXX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PXR5 (Charisma 1978) The original LP came with a wrongly wired plug on the back cover which was covered with a sticker and finallt removed in later releases. The original LP also came with an offer to obtain Pete Frame's Hawkwind Family Tree Poster. The version of High Rise on the Cd is different to that on the LP. TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Death Trap ? ? ? Jack Of Shadows ? ? ? Uncle Sam's On Mars ? ? ? Infinity ? ? ? Life Form ? ? ? Robot ? ? ? High Rise [LP] ? ? ? High Rise [CD] ? ? ? PXR5 ? ? ? Clues: - 05.10.77 London - 29.09.77 Leicester -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Zones (Flicknife 1983) ----- TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Zones Dangerous Vision ? ? ? Running Through... ? ? ? The Island ? ? ? Motorway City ? ? ? Utopia 84 ? ? ? Social Alliance ? ? ? Sonic Attack ? ? ? Dream Worker ? ? ? Brainstorm ? ? ? Clues: - 18.12.80 London - 31.10.82 Bristol -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stonehenge (This Is Hawkwind/Do Not Panic) (Flicknife 1984 LP & EP) ---------- TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Psy Power ? ? ? Levitation ? ? ? Circles ? ? ? Space Chase ? ? ? Death Trap ? ? ? Angels Of Death ? ? ? Shot Down In The Night ? ? ? Stonehenge Decoded ? ? ? Watching The Grass Grow ? ? ? Clues: - 18.12.80 London - 31.10.82 Bristol - 21.06.84 Stonehenge -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Undisclosed Files (1995 LP) ----------------- TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Orgone Accumulator ? ? ? Sonic Attack ? ? ? Watching The Grass Grow ? ? ? Curse of Man ? ? ? Master ot Universe [LP] ? ? ? Ghost Dance [CD] ? ? ? Coded Languages [LP] ? ? ? Coded Languages [CD] ? ? ? Ejection ? ? ? Motorway City ? ? ? Dragons and Fables ? ? ? Heads ? ? ? Angels of Death ? ? ? Clues: - 27.11.84 Sheffield - ??.12.88 XXXXX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Out & Intake ------------ TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Turner Point ? ? ? Waiting for Tomorrow ? ? ? Cajun Jinx ? ? ? Solitary Mind Games ? ? ? Starflight ? ? ? Ejection ? ? ? Assassins of Allah ? ? ? Flight to Maputo ? ? ? Confontation ? ? ? 5/4 ? ? ? Ghost Dance ? ? ? Coded Languages [CD] ? ? ? Warrior on the Edge [CD] ? ? ? Clues: - 12.11.82 London - ??.??.?? XXXXX Turner Point (live 1982) Waiting For Tomorrow (live 1982) Cajun Jinx (studio) Solitary Mind Games (live 1982) Starflight (studio) Ejection (studio) Hassan I Sahba (live 1986) Flight To Maputo (studio) Confrontation (studio) 5/4 (studio) Ghost Dance (live 1982) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Travellers Aid Trust (Double LP 1988) -------------------- TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Brainstorm ? ? ? Blue Dreamer ? ? ? Damage of Life ? ? ? Clues: - 01.10.88 Clyro - ??.??.?? XXXXX -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- THETA ORIONIS [Bootleg CD - UK 1996) ------------- 4pg inlay with pics of Calvert in psychedelia pattern. Pic disc. Contains various live tracks, BBC session and rare vinyl tracks. TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Night of the Hawk ? ? ? Back In The Box ? ? ? Right To Decide ? ? ? Quark,Strangeness& Charm ? ? ? LSD ? ? ? Camera That Could Lie ? ? ? Assasins of Allah ? ? ? Death Trap ? ? ? Wastelands ? ? ? The Dream Goes On ? ? ? Terra Mystica Studio Gimme Shelter ? ? ? Clues: - 25.01.1990 Nottingham - 27.07.1995 London - 11.11.1993 Cambridge -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Weird 101 - Sonic Assassins/ Dave Brock --------- TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Over the Top 23.12.77 Barnstaple ??? Magnu ? ? ? Angels of Life ? ? ? Freefall 23.12.77 Barnstaple ??? Death Trap 23.12.77 Barnstaple ??? The War ? ? ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/ Hawklords --------- TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Quark,Strangeness&Charm ? ? ? Masters of the Universe ? ? ? Welcome to the Future ? ? ? Spirit of the Age ? ? ? Sonic Attack ? ? ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Weird 106 - Hawkwind 1970-73 --------- TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Born To Go Greasy Truckers Party Master of the Universe Greasy Truckers Party Jam ? ? ? Hurry on Sundown Text of Festival Came Home ? ? ? We Do It Text of Festival Earth Calling BBC Transcription Disc -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73 --------- TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Space is Deep Space Ritual Live and Let Live ? ? ? Etchanatae ? ? ? Dreaming Text of Festival Shouldn't Do That Text of Festival -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Independent Days ---------------- TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Over the Top Weird 101 Who's Gonna Win... Weird 101 Angels Of Death Do Not Panic Watching The Grass... Do Not Panic Assault And Battery ? ? ? Sleep Of 1000 Tears ? ? ? Hurry On Sundown ? ? ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The 1999 Party -------------- TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Standing at the Edge Brainbox Pollution ? ? ? It's So Easy ? ? ? Only Dreaming ? ? ? Warrior on the Edge ? ? ? Brainstorm ? ? ? Seven by Seven ? ? ? The Watcher ? ? ? The Awakening ? ? ? Paradox ? ? ? Psychedelic Warlords ? ? ? D-Rider ? ? ? Sonic Attack ? ? ? Master Of The Universe ? ? ? Welcome To The Future ? ? ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Chronicle Of The Black Sword -------------------------------- TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE [Dojo CD & Griffin CD] The War I Survived ? ? ? Voice Inside My Head ? ? ? [Flicknife CD] Assault & Battery Independent Days Sleep of 1000 Tears Independent Days -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Emergency Broadcast System Samples -------------------------------------- TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE The Camera That... The Business Trip Green Finned Demon The Business Trip Coded Languages ? ? ? Angels of Death Undisclosed Files Xenomorph Love in Space -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bristol Custom Bike Show (GWR) ------------------------ TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Master Of The Universe ? ? ? Silver Machine ? ? ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin (Demi Monde)(live) --------------------------------- TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Gaga ? ? ? In The Egg ? ? ? Orgone Accumulator ? ? ? Wage War ? ? ? Urban Guerrilla ? ? ? Master Of The Universe ? ? ? Welcome To The Future ? ? ? Sonic Attack ? ? ? Silver Machine ? ? ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Ambient Anarchists ---------------------- TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Urban Guerilla Acid Daze Motorway City Undisclosed Files TV Suicide California Brainstorm Camera That Could Lie The Business Trip LSD The Business Trip Love in Space ? ? ? Green Finned Demon The Business Trip Space Is Their... Love in Space Hassan I Sabha Love in Space -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wir sind Kinder der Revolte Vol 1. ---------------------------------- TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Love in Space 21.07.96 Herzberg Festival -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Acid Daze --------- TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE High Rise Weird 103 British Tribal Music ? ? ? Spirit of the Age Live '79 Urban Guerilla same as Live '79 Masters of the Universe ? ? ? World of Tiers ? ? ? Who's Gonna Win the War Glastonbury '81 Ghost Dance ? ? ? Earth Calling BBC Transcription Disc Motorhead Independent Days Watchfield Festival Weird 103 Magnu Weird 101 Angels Of Death Weird 101 Hashcake '77 Weird 103 Quark,Strangeness&Charm Weird 102 Born To Go Greasy Truckers Party Space Is Deep Space Ritual You Shouldn't Do That Space Ritual Seeing It As... Space Ritual Hurry On Sundown Text of Festival Came Home Weird 106 We Do It Text of Festival Silver Machine ? ? ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friends And Relations --------------------- TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE The Golden Void ? ? ? Who's Gonna Win The War Weird 101 Robot Weird 103 Earth Calling BBC Transcription Disc We do It Text of Festival Spirit of the Age Weird 102 Psychedelia Lives Glastonbury 1981 Drug Cabinet Key Weird 105 Over the Top Sonic Assassins Psy Power Do Not Panic -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Thu Nov 26 14:47:44 1998 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 19:47:44 +0000 Subject: BOTH:RealAudio Message-ID: I have just installed RealPlayer so I can listen to the HW stuff at punkcast. I have then gone onto look at the liveconcerts web site to see if they had anything interesting, and they have the Motorhead gig from Ozzfest 98 (well 32mins of it on video) and I am very excited about seeing a tiny jerky lemmy do Iron Fist, Stay clean and so on while I'm typing away in another window on my computer. I am less thrilled by the pauses every 90 seconds, but then the thrill of a new toy makes me live with it. It is to be found at http://www.liveconcerts.com/lcarchive/concerts/980817/Motorhead/ The set list is IF/SC/Over your shoulder There is also a BOC gig from Jun 15 1998, but with audio only http://www.liveconcerts.com/lcarchive/concerts/980615/Blue_Oyster_Cult/ It does last 1h34m, and starts with burning for you, cities on flame. Are there any other sites I ought to be playing with? Mike w From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Fri Nov 27 01:05:27 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 01:05:27 -0500 Subject: BOTH:RealAudio Message-ID: There are Ftp programs out there specifically for downloading, saving and converting to wav- ra files. Just do a search. Look for ra2wav. -----Original Message----- From: M S Wright To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Thursday, November 26, 1998 2:55 PM Subject: BOTH:RealAudio >I have just installed RealPlayer so I can listen to the HW stuff at >punkcast. I have then gone onto look at the liveconcerts web site to see >if they had anything interesting, and they have the Motorhead gig from >Ozzfest 98 (well 32mins of it on video) and I am very excited about seeing >a tiny jerky lemmy do Iron Fist, Stay clean and so on while I'm typing >away in another window on my computer. I am less thrilled by the pauses >every 90 seconds, but then the thrill of a new toy makes me live with it. >It is to be found at > >http://www.liveconcerts.com/lcarchive/concerts/980817/Motorhead/ > >The set list is IF/SC/Over your shoulder > >There is also a BOC gig from Jun 15 1998, but with audio only > >http://www.liveconcerts.com/lcarchive/concerts/980615/Blue_Oyster_Cult/ > >It does last 1h34m, and starts with burning for you, cities on flame. > >Are there any other sites I ought to be playing with? > >Mike w From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Fri Nov 27 01:07:33 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 01:07:33 -0500 Subject: Spirit of Brock Message-ID: Can someone clear this up? I hear rumors that this is a Brock effort, and have heard Brock referred to as Dr HAsbeen. But at a gig once, I heard brock directly refer to another as dr hasbeen. rj -----Original Message----- From: William Duffy To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Thursday, November 26, 1998 11:31 AM Subject: Re: Spirit of Brock >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On >> Behalf Of M Holmes >> Sent: Thursday, 26 November 1998 10:37 >> To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >> Subject: Spirit of Brock >> >> >> I just got this CD by "Doctor Hasbeen". > >What's the title of the CD, label, etc.? > >William From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Fri Nov 27 05:32:39 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 10:32:39 +0000 Subject: HW: Compiling Live tracks list - Help! In-Reply-To: <199811261903.TAA13673@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi FoFP Here's a few bits of info for you: Live 79 08.12.1979 CD+LP ??? Recorded at St Alban's civic Hall - same gig as the bootleg !!!! Whoever pressed the bootleg needs their head sorting out !! Out And Intake 12.11.1982 CD+LP London+ ??? The Moorcock poem is from Hammersmith Odeon 11/82 ( I was there!)- I can't vouch for the other live trax though. Undisclosed Files 27.11.1984 & ?.12.88 CD+LP Sheffield + ? The rest of this is from Hammersmith Odeon, winter 1988 - (sorry - can't recall the date) The Business Trip 27.11.1993 CD+LP Hastings Some of this sounds VERY like Slough, so similar, in fact, that a lot of the tracks play EXACTLY alongside my video of that gig! The Chronicle Of The Black Sword -------------------------------- TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE [Dojo CD & Griffin CD] The War I Survived ? ? ? Voice Inside My Head ? ? ? I'm sure these tracks are culled from the 1988 BBC-in-concert (April - Hammersmith Odeon) I'll scan the list again, for any other ones that I may have missed. Cheers for now, Guy Thomas From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 27 06:20:28 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 11:20:28 GMT Subject: Spirit of Brock In-Reply-To: sprawl's message of Fri, 27 Nov 1998 01:07:33 -0500 Message-ID: sprawl writes: > Can someone clear this up? I hear rumors that this is a Brock effort, > and have heard Brock referred to as Dr HAsbeen. But at a gig once, I heard > brock directly refer to another as dr hasbeen. > > rj Doctor Hasbeen would appear to be a band. Given their style and the album title, I guess they're likely to be Hawkwind fans. > >> I just got this CD by "Doctor Hasbeen". > > > >What's the title of the CD, label, etc.? The title of the CD is "Spirit of Brock". I don't have it here to read the label. I got the CD through Andy Garibaldi at C&D Records. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 27 06:24:54 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 11:24:54 GMT Subject: HW: Compiling Live tracks list - Help! In-Reply-To: LN1GJT's message of Fri, 27 Nov 1998 10:32:39 +0000 Message-ID: LN1GJT writes: > Hi FoFP > > Here's a few bits of info for you: > > Live 79 08.12.1979 CD+LP ??? > > Recorded at St Alban's civic Hall - same gig as the bootleg !!!! > Whoever pressed the bootleg needs their head sorting out !! I do wish the band would release the other tracks from that gig. > Undisclosed Files 27.11.1984 & ?.12.88 CD+LP Sheffield + ? > > The rest of this is from Hammersmith Odeon, winter 1988 - (sorry - can't recall > the date) Which tracks are from which years? I remember thinking way back that the later ones were one of the Hammersmith '88 gigs. > > The Business Trip 27.11.1993 CD+LP Hastings > > Some of this sounds VERY like Slough, so similar, in fact, that a lot of the > tracks play EXACTLY alongside my video of that gig! You reckon that the whole album is from Slough or just some tracks? FoFP From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Fri Nov 27 05:23:11 1998 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 21:23:11 +1100 Subject: Spirit of Brock Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > sprawl writes: > > > Can someone clear this up? I hear rumors that this is a Brock effort, > > and have heard Brock referred to as Dr HAsbeen. But at a gig once, I heard > > brock directly refer to another as dr hasbeen. > > > > rj > > Doctor Hasbeen would appear to be a band. Given their style and the > album title, I guess they're likely to be Hawkwind fans. I'm almost 100% certain that the Brockmeister mentioned something like "this is Dr Hasbeen" in a concert video I've seen. Perhaps the band took the name as quoted from this? Perhaps not, too... - Max Wilcox From edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK Fri Nov 27 06:27:00 1998 From: edmondsm.brbs at EMS.RAIL.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 11:27:00 GMT Subject: Spirit of Brock Message-ID: From: Mark Edmonds Date: 1998-11-27 11:27 I could have sworn that on a recent album there is some production credit given to Dr. Hasbeen. I always thought it was Dave's self-depreciating method of referring to himself. Mark ---------- Doctor Hasbeen would appear to be a band. Given their style and the album title, I guess they're likely to be Hawkwind fans. > >> I just got this CD by "Doctor Hasbeen". > > > >What's the title of the CD, label, etc.? The title of the CD is "Spirit of Brock". I don't have it here to read the label. I got the CD through Andy Garibaldi at C&D Records. FoFP From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Fri Nov 27 07:09:28 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 12:09:28 +0000 Subject: HW: Compiling Live tracks list - Help! In-Reply-To: <199811271124.LAA09524@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: FOFP Writes: >LN1GJT writes: > >> Hi FoFP >> >> Here's a few bits of info for you: >> >> Live 79 08.12.1979 CD+LP ??? >> >> Recorded at St Alban's civic Hall - same gig as the bootleg !!!! >> Whoever pressed the bootleg needs their head sorting out !! > >I do wish the band would release the other tracks from that gig. > >> Undisclosed Files 27.11.1984 & ?.12.88 CD+LP Sheffield + ? >> >> The rest of this is from Hammersmith Odeon, winter 1988 - (sorry - can't >>recall >> the date) > >Which tracks are from which years? I remember thinking way back that >the later ones were one of the Hammersmith '88 gigs. > >> > >> The Business Trip 27.11.1993 CD+LP Hastings >> >> Some of this sounds VERY like Slough, so similar, in fact, that a lot of the >> tracks play EXACTLY alongside my video of that gig! > >You reckon that the whole album is from Slough or just some tracks? > >FoFP Undisclosed Files: TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE Orgone Accumulator ? ? S Sonic Attack ? ? S Watching The Grass Grow ? ? S Curse of Man ? ? S Master ot Universe [LP] ? ? H? (I Can't recall from memory) Ghost Dance [CD] ? ? H? " Coded Languages [LP] ? ? H Coded Languages [CD] ? ? H Ejection ? ? H Motorway City ? ? H Dragons and Fables ? ? H Heads ? ? H Angels of Death ? ? H Clues: - 27.11.84 Sheffield - ??.12.88 Hammersmith Odeon Business Trip: I suspect that the album was recorded from several gigs, as they had an A-Dat(?) digital multi-track tape machine at most of them (at least the ones that I got to!) From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 27 07:33:19 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 12:33:19 GMT Subject: HW: Compiling Live tracks list - Help! In-Reply-To: LN1GJT's message of Fri, 27 Nov 1998 12:09:28 +0000 Message-ID: LN1GJT writes: > > TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE > > Orgone Accumulator ? ? S > Sonic Attack ? ? S > Watching The Grass Grow ? ? S > Curse of Man ? ? S > Master ot Universe [LP] ? ? H? (I Can't recall from memory) > Ghost Dance [CD] ? ? H? " > Coded Languages [LP] ? ? H > Coded Languages [CD] ? ? H > Ejection ? ? H > Motorway City ? ? H > Dragons and Fables ? ? H > Heads ? ? H > Angels of Death ? ? H > > Clues: > > - 27.11.84 Sheffield > - ??.12.88 Hammersmith Odeon Thanks. Ghost Dance must be from Sheffield since it featured on the 84 tour. Not sure about MotU but it should be pretty easy to tell if Nik is on it or not. The problem is Coded Languages. The LP and CD versions are different so they can't both be from the 88 Hammersmith gig. Cheers FoFP From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Fri Nov 27 07:54:12 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 12:54:12 +0000 Subject: HW: Compiling Live tracks list - Help! In-Reply-To: <199811271233.MAA04701@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: FOFP: >Thanks. Ghost Dance must be from Sheffield since it featured on the 84 >tour. Not sure about MotU but it should be pretty easy to tell if Nik is >on it or not. > >The problem is Coded Languages. The LP and CD versions are different so >they can't both be from the 88 Hammersmith gig. > >Cheers > >FoFP Maybe one from each tour? - I honestly can't recall! Guy From henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Fri Nov 27 08:29:32 1998 From: henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 14:29:32 +0100 Subject: HW: Spirit of Brock. Message-ID: Hi there! Concerning Dr Hasbeen; It?s a band from the Midlands and the man in charge of the whole operation is Martyn Needham "Dr Hasbeen". So far the band has been a loose constellation of friends to Martyn but he?s putting a "real" band together for the moment. They actually tour in England and did some dates together with Alan Davey on his previous tour. Apart from that they do gigs mainly in the central parts of England since he/they are located in Derby. Dr Hasbeen has released three CD?s so far and some tapes as well, the two first under the name "Space Bandits". If you like the "Spirit of Brock" CD you will enjoy the other two as well. "2125" is more spacerock oriented, like "Spirit of Brock". The third CD is called " Prophetic obscurities" and is a crossing between Spacerock and progreesive rock, but still an excellent CD, well worth getting if you?re into this kind of music. Some might call Dr Hasbeen HW-clones but I would say that they?re doing there own interpretation of this amazing form of music. "2125" and "Prophetic obscurities are full lenght CD?s. For reasons unknown to mankind I acctually got some Dr Hasbeen CD?s in stock for those who wish to buy one or two. I?ve got Pseudo Sun?s new tape today as well and it?s five new tracks from the boys; Space Cathedral, Float in free fall, solar winds, Destroyer of worlds and One of many possible futures. All the best from a snowy Sundsvall Peace of mind records / Henrik ========================================================== Peace of Mind Records c/o Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: peaceofmind at telia.com Peace of mind records website: http://hem.passagen.se/hawkwind/ Fax +46 (0)70 6101310 / Phone +46 (0)70 6743729 From hawklrd at ROPNET.RU Fri Nov 27 08:36:03 1998 From: hawklrd at ROPNET.RU (Dmitri Lapitski) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 16:36:03 +0300 Subject: Spirit of Brock Message-ID: Mark Edmonds wrote: > > From: Mark Edmonds > Date: 1998-11-27 11:27 > > I could have sworn that on a recent album there is some production credit > given to Dr. Hasbeen. I always thought it was Dave's self-depreciating > method of referring to himself. On "Xenon Codex" there are credits: Dr. Hasbeen - guitars, vocals, keyborads, synth. I always thought that Dr. Hasbeen is Dave Brock. Dmitri -- Therion Official Russian Site and Therion Mailing List: http://www.internet.msk.ru/therion/ Cyber Design Pro: http://www.internet.msk.ru From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Fri Nov 27 09:14:02 1998 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 09:14:02 -0500 Subject: BOC: Astronomy Message-ID: Mike asks: >What is the origin of the 'Hey! Hey-Hey!' chorus on Imaginos? Whenever I >hear it, I feel cheated out of the "Diddly doo do PING! Diddly doo doo >PUNG!" bit. Why was it changed? Well that was from the original but the tempo (which is much faster) didn't lend itself to the old rhythm. It sounded like Dixeland! From MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Nov 27 10:33:04 1998 From: MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark P Lee) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 15:33:04 +0000 Subject: Dr Hasbeen In-Reply-To: <199811271000.FAA23113@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: >I just got this CD by "Doctor Hasbeen". The CD is a bit mysterious as it >all plays as one track and lasts only 24 minutes. However there are six >short tracks on the CD including the title track. It's all very Hawkwind >style (more so than most of Distant Horizons anyway) though not as heavy >and energetic. I enjoyed it anyway and would definitely say that the >title track ought to go into forthcoming Shadows of the Hawk tapes. > >Is anyone still working on that? What's the latest collection of covers >tracks? > >Does anyone have other Doctor Hasbeen stuff? Whats it like? So somebody has Spirit of Brock, the CD was done by a chap called Martin about 2 years ago and has only ever been sold at gigs, not very aggresively marketed really. A couple of people on this list may have picked up on the fact that I'm one of the members of Dr Hasbeen, since about 6 months ago. The group currently comprise Martin : Keyboards, Rhythm Guitar, Drum Machines & Vocals, Lyrics. Bones : The Bass, Writes poetry and WILL sing soon ? Mark : Backing Vocals. sort of Keyboards, smoke machine, acting the fool, Lyrics and Poetry. Mary : Lights and Beers !!! We used to be a four piece with Lead Guitar until a couple of weeks ago but parted company with Gaz owing to 'style' differences. What have we done ? We supported Alan Davey's Bedouin at Derby recently, played the Badham (Buxton) festival. The music is Hawkwind influenced and we do cover some Hawks tracks, A&B, Golden Void, Brainstorm, and do several of our own tracks. We fall into the 'Space Rock' category I suppose. We will be supporting Spacehead in January at Derby and also in Leicester at Leicester Square, ( ??? Gate area ) on Feb 3rd. We are hoping to get enough decent live stuff down for a CD shortly, Martin has about 5 discs available, I'll get details and prices/details if you're interested ? For more info on Spacehead and an excellent review of the band you should check out Andy Garibaldi,s site at http://www.dialspace.dial.pipex.com/andygee/index.htm Andy also has info on Krel and runs a vinyl sales list amongst other things. Hpoefully that answers the question, drop me a note at my email address if you want more. Cheers, Mark. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please reply to mark at esparto.demon.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Nov 27 11:53:34 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 16:53:34 +0000 Subject: HW: Spirit of Brock. In-Reply-To: <002e01be1a0a$981d3a40$c5cc143e@peace-of-mind> Message-ID: Dr Hasbeen was the name Mr Brock gave to himself on The Xenon Codex Z Zeitgeist-Reflections Of The Underground Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Fri Nov 27 18:31:46 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 18:31:46 -0500 Subject: HW: Spirit of Brock. Message-ID: >Dr Hasbeen was the name Mr Brock gave to himself on The Xenon Codex > >Z I know that is true, but apparently this other guy liked the name and borrowed it for his band. I was at a gig once and Brock said hello to this wooly fellow and called _him_ Dr Hasbeen. So I guess Brock doesn't mind that the guy borrowed the name. RJ From bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE Sat Nov 28 08:47:33 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at HOME.INS.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 14:47:33 +0100 Subject: HW: Compiling Live tracks list - Help! In-Reply-To: <199811261903.TAA13673@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hello Mike, Hello Folks Here are a few corrections from me. Hope that helps a bit >PXR5 29.09.1977 CD+LP (3Tracks) Leicester The live tracks are NOT from London or/and Leicester because I have both tapes and the tracks do not sound like beeing from these gigs >Live 79 08.12.1979 CD+LP ??? St. Albans Guy, you are right. The person who did the boot was an asshole >Bring Me the Head of.. ????? CD&LP ???? London, 23.05.1973 >Bristol Bike Show ????? LP ???? Bristol 20.06.1986 >Travellers Aid Trust ??.??.1988 & ??? CD+LP ?? ?? Washing Machine is from Clyro Court 01.10.1988 >Wir Sind Kinder der Revolte 21.07.96 CD The venue is Burg Herzberg > The Business Trip Nov-Dec.1993 CD+LP Slough,Hastings... Hmm, Alan Davey told me that it is from Hastings. But it really seems that it was recorded in Slough as well He also told me that the LOVE IN SPACE live - CD was recorded in Bristol 1995 >Undisclosed Files (1995 LP) >- 27.11.84 Sheffield >- ??.12.88 XXXXX I am very sure that the 1988 tracks are NOT from Hammersmith The tracks are NOT identical with the tracks on all tapes I have from this tour Bernhard From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat Nov 28 22:03:36 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 03:03:36 +0000 Subject: HW: Compiling Live tracks list - Help! In-Reply-To: <1339321027111998/A01889/LNMV02/11CBDAA02600*@MHS> Message-ID: Mike - the Theta Orionis stuff is partly from Nottingham Rock City some time in 1994, partly from BBC Sessions done around the time Alien4 came out, and the rets is I think bootlegged from studio releases of one sort or another. Hope this helps, yours, Jon -- /----------------------------------------------------------\ | Jonathan Jarrett Pembroke College | | jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk Cambridge | | 01223 338100 CB2 1RF | |----------------------------------------------------------| | "Wilhelm Reich died for your sins" (ST37) | \----------------------------------------------------------/ From micci at SCI.FI Sun Nov 29 08:31:19 1998 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 15:31:19 +0200 Subject: HW: Compiling Live tracks list - Help! Message-ID: Hi! >Mike - the Theta Orionis stuff is partly from Nottingham Rock >City some time in 1994, partly from BBC Sessions done around the time >Alien4 came out, and the rets is I think bootlegged from studio releases >of one sort or another. Hope this helps, yours, Stuff took from: nottingham rock city 18/5/90 bbc session 1995 cambridge junction 11/11/93 one vinyl only release Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Nov 29 13:06:31 1998 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 13:06:31 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Music Street Journal Message-ID: Here's a review of tBS by Gary at Music Street Journal http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Arena/9250/ Brain Surgeons-Malpractice Cellsum BS10008 Overall Review Brain Surgeons is former BOC member Albert Bouchard`s band. The group utilizes elements of Blue Oyster Cult in new and unusual ways. Brain Surgeons (Bouchard, Deborah Frost, Billy Hilfiger (brother of clothing designer Tommy Hilfiger), Peter Bohovesky and David Hirshberg) are joined on this album by several guests. Track by Track Review Needle Gun:A spoken word snippet that makes reference to an old BOC track starts this cut, a performance of a song originally done by Hawkwind. The chorus to this number is based on a raspy, nearly whispered female voice. This is a very solid rendition of a space rock classic that pays tribute to the piece, while breathing new life into it. The choice of covering Hawkwind tracks seems fairly natural, since there has historically been a Hawkwind/Blue Oyster Cult connection in fandom for years. In fact, one of the earliest fan based music websites in existence was one that combined those two bands. Ciudades Y Navidades:A variant on Cities on Flame, BOC`s first official single, this cut combines many interesting variations into the piece. Among those twists are Spanish language vocals interspersed with English and a Christmas orientation. In fact, the ending segments of the number include a "Feliz Navidad" (Merry Christmas) section, complete with sleigh bells. It is quite obvious that the band had fun with this one. Hassan I Sabbah:Another classic Hawkwind track, Hassan, or Assassins of Allah (as it is sometimes called) is a well performed, hard rocking, space rock piece. This is a very intriguing rendition, and comes across quite powerfully. Career of Evil:A very solid rendition of a Cult classic, this is a hard rock number. The vocals are quite faithful to the original, while being augmented by a rough-edged female vocal section. This makes for an intriguing variant, while still staying quite true to the original texture of the piece. Language of Love:Based heavily on acoustic guitar, this tune is a very pretty ballad with BOC influences. The Girl That Made Love Blind:Another Christmas oriented track, this ballad features solid guitar work (at times Howeish) and a competent arrangement. Death Valley Nights:Another song originally performed by BOC, this is a very pretty track based on acoustic guitar. Name Your Monster:This cut is rather off kilter in texture, but quite pretty at the same time. The overall feel to the song is of older BOC balladic/rock work. There are some solidly progish elements here, most notably in the instrumental break. The chorus is quite catchy. Later segments of the piece take on a loose jazzish tone and feature adlib humorous spoken word segments. Baby Ice Dog:A strong rock and roller, this one features a BOCish song structure and guitar work with almost punkish female vocals. Tour Spiel:Again featuring strong BOC leanings, this is a metallic number. I Am the One You Warned Me Of:Originally on the BOC album Imaginos, this is a strong rendition, based heavily on acoustic guitar. This melodic rocker takes on bluesish textures at times. Astronomy:The rendition here is a very pretty and intricate take on a BOC classic. The work is quite progish. This rendition is more acoustically based, and perhaps more melodic than the original. The overall result is quite effective. From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Nov 30 05:52:24 1998 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 21:52:24 +1100 Subject: HW:Lemmy photo Message-ID: According to reliable sources, the fella on the right be Andy Dunkley Soniqu? -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #14292706 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Nov 30 11:15:47 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 08:15:47 -0800 Subject: OFF: John Swartz you're gonna love it! Message-ID: JS, thought you would get a kick out of it, especially ====> "And if you finally do get to play a solo, everyone shall leave the > bandstand and go to the bar for a drink." Ghost in the Ruins OBCD at Work today - Trans Siberian Orchestra - Christmas Attic Pink Floyd - Animals From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Mon Nov 30 11:45:00 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:45:00 +0000 Subject: OFF: John Swartz you're gonna love it! Message-ID: Just as a matter of interest, how many musicians do we have on the list? Cheers, Rich. > JS, thought you would get a kick out of it, especially ====> > > "And if you finally do get to play a solo, everyone shall leave the > > bandstand and go to the bar for a drink." > > Ghost in the Ruins > > OBCD at Work today - Trans Siberian Orchestra - Christmas Attic > Pink Floyd - Animals ObCD: Peter Sarsted (Mr Irony)'s Greatest Hits (Amazingly, it actually has more than one song on it) From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 30 13:46:32 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 18:46:32 GMT Subject: OFF: John Swartz you're gonna love it! In-Reply-To: Rich Lockwood's message of Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:45:00 +0000 Message-ID: Rich Lockwood writes: > Just as a matter of interest, how many musicians do we have on the list? > Cheers, > Rich. I sing in the bath 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mordru at FLITE.NET Mon Nov 30 13:48:55 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:48:55 -0500 Subject: OFF: John Swartz you're gonna love it! Message-ID: >Just as a matter of interest, how many musicians do we have on the list? Kinda depends on your definition... professional musicians? people who can play something? etc. I'm pretty good with a flute, but it's just a hobby, mainly bamboo ones... I mainly use them at renfaires and similar settings (SCA bardics, etc.). Which means I can play along with Metallica's Whiskey in the Jar now, yea. ============================================ Week 12: Vikings 28, Packers 14. Next: Dallas From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Nov 30 14:38:57 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:38:57 +0000 Subject: OFF: John Swartz you're gonna love it! In-Reply-To: <199811301848.NAA09208@issfire.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: At 13:48 30/11/1998 -0500, you wrote: >>Just as a matter of interest, how many musicians do we have on the list? Ex bass player / vocalist with numerous crap bar bands, currently getting into computerised composition. Z Zeitgeist-Reflections Of The Underground Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 30 14:01:28 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 15:01:28 EDT Subject: OFF: John Swartz you're gonna love it! In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19981130193857.0079b920@pop.dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: > >>Just as a matter of interest, how many musicians do we have on the list? > Play a bit of guitar meself. Got my Xmas shopping done early on 21 Nov, when I spotted a rare Hamer Steve Stevens model for an obscenely low price. Lovingly abused, but she plays and sounds--well, like something Steve would like to play! theo From mpower at CICG-DEV.ETSD.ML.COM Mon Nov 30 15:34:39 1998 From: mpower at CICG-DEV.ETSD.ML.COM (Marc Power) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 15:34:39 -0500 Subject: OFF: John Swartz you're gonna love it! Message-ID: > Rich Lockwood writes: > > > Just as a matter of interest, how many musicians do we have on the list? > > Cheers, > > Rich. Guilty as charged. Marc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ask me about the free BORN to GO live video (VHS NTSC), or send me your snail mail (land) address to mpower at ml.com to get one. From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Nov 30 15:57:42 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:57:42 -0800 Subject: OFF: John Swartz you're gonna love it! Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:45:00 +0000, Rich Lockwood wrote: >Just as a matter of interest, how many musicians do we have on the list? keyboards, analog synthesizers & electronics, violin, bass guitar ... ... and if there was anyone on the list from the SF Bay Area, I'd say to come on down to the Bottom of the Hill next monday night (December 7th) when Primordial Undermind (in which i play violin) opens for Farflung ... From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Nov 30 16:24:36 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:24:36 -0500 Subject: OFF: John Swartz you're gonna love it! Message-ID: >Just as a matter of interest, how many musicians do we have on the list? Well, at the risk of pro-longing a thread with my name all over it... ;-) I'm no pro, but I do play a little bass guitar. I also used to play French Horn and Saxophone in high school, and was the organist for my church as well. But, my main ax is air guitar... ;-) John From StevenTice at AOL.COM Mon Nov 30 16:40:36 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:40:36 EST Subject: Musicians on BOC-L Message-ID: Y'know, I'm starting to suspect that the real question is how many people on BOC-L AREN'T musicians...:-) I play guitar, keyboards, saxophone, and anything else I can get my hands on. :-) SET From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Nov 30 16:55:41 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 21:55:41 +0000 Subject: OFF: John Swartz you're gonna love it! In-Reply-To: <3662CB8B.A9271301@geocities.com> Message-ID: At 16:45 30/11/98 +0000, you wrote: >Just as a matter of interest, how many musicians do we have on the list? > >Cheers, > >Rich. > Not as much as I'd like to be, but I harbour a passion for obscure guitars: Wurlitzer (335 copy), Microfret Calibra (nut adjustable for each string as well as bridge), Vox Phantom. Maybe when I'm better settled... ChrisW ObSwag: Griffin Warrior & New Worlds Fair (both with books) Man: To live For To Die Desert Sessions Vols I/II Free your mind & watch your ass! From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Nov 30 18:48:49 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 23:48:49 +0000 Subject: HW:Bruces In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Scott Heller wrote: > I just got back from ten days in the boston area and hooked up with > Larry Boyd and Chris and Mary Bruce. Chris has settled his court case and > came out on the upside! So Chris and mary are coming back to life and here > is how people can reach them. They are suppose to be distributing this Pink > Floyd book with the exclusive HW tracks via a deal with Griffin. Chris is > producing a few bands, God Smack, Bishop's Strike etc.. Is there going to be any way of getting hold of this CD without buying the book? I wouldn't mind an HW IO, but the encyclopedia I could probably live without... Yours, Jon -- /-----------------------------------------------------------\ | Jonathan Jarrett Pembroke College | | jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk Cambridge | |-----------------------------------------------------------| | "If only you believe, then only you will die" (Motorhead) | \-----------------------------------------------------------/ From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Nov 30 18:51:10 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 23:51:10 +0000 Subject: Musicians on BOC-L In-Reply-To: <3ff05f0e.366310d4@aol.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Nov 1998, Steven Tice wrote: > Y'know, I'm starting to suspect that the real question is how many people on > BOC-L AREN'T musicians...:-) I play guitar, keyboards, saxophone, and > anything else I can get my hands on. :-) I'm not! As those who have heard me sing will testify... No musical ability at all. Now let me get hold of an audio generator... Yours, Jon -- /-----------------------------------------------------------\ | Jonathan Jarrett Pembroke College | | jjarrett at chiark.greenend.org.uk Cambridge | |-----------------------------------------------------------| | "If only you believe, then only you will die" (Motorhead) | \-----------------------------------------------------------/ From synthesis9000 at ETHOS.ST Mon Nov 30 19:25:15 1998 From: synthesis9000 at ETHOS.ST (Brian W. Kuhar) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:25:15 -0800 Subject: musicians Message-ID: I am a musician . . . I am the cybernetic organism Synthesis9000. A true amalgamation of man and machine. My human counterpart lives somewhere in California, but only physically. Stay tuned for further transmissions about upcoming musical emanations. That is all. From erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM Mon Nov 30 20:55:53 1998 From: erebus7 at DLCWEST.COM (Laj Waldner) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:55:53 -0600 Subject: OFF: John Swartz you're gonna love it! Message-ID: Well, I'm not a musician, just an amateur Drummer ;-). Haven't been playing for a while now, used to jam with a few friends on weekends. Should really start practicing again as I kind of miss it. Laj. Rich Lockwood wrote: > Just as a matter of interest, how many musicians do we have on the list? > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > > JS, thought you would get a kick out of it, especially ====> > > > > "And if you finally do get to play a solo, everyone shall leave the > > > bandstand and go to the bar for a drink." > > > > Ghost in the Ruins > > > > OBCD at Work today - Trans Siberian Orchestra - Christmas Attic > > Pink Floyd - Animals > > ObCD: Peter Sarsted (Mr Irony)'s Greatest Hits > (Amazingly, it actually has more than one song on it) From js3619 at WIZVAX.NET Mon Nov 30 22:11:37 1998 From: js3619 at WIZVAX.NET (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 22:11:37 -0500 Subject: OFF: John Swartz and his band of merry air guitarists In-Reply-To: <36634CA9.8C6A7B81@dlcwest.com> Message-ID: Just to add my 1 and 1/2 d to the pot, I play what I think might be the ony Brain Surgeons guitar in existence -- all five of the mighty group signed what foremerly was a plain ol' Squire Strat-o-caster. Noises it generates with my Kay Star*ter series amp occasionally sound familiar to the untrained ear. However, when I attempt to play along with 5-6 hours worth of BOC/tBS material, it almost...almost... sounds like riffs on the CDs/LPs/Cassettes. I dunno, maybe its the because of ringing ears or lack of caffeine. To coin the mighty Wesley Willis, "Rock on BOC-L." Jason PS: Finally managed to listen to my vinyl Space Ritual. I shall readily concur with any and all claims one may posit to its blanga nature. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is only beginning with me that the earth knows great politics." -F.Nietzsche, _Ecce Homo_ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Sun Nov 8 19:35:44 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 09:35:44 +0900 Subject: HW: Hawkwind at Strange Daze 98 MPEG audio Message-ID: Strange, I changed the names to the track titles .mp3 in explorer and they play just fine through Winamp 2.x for me. Are you sure that you're not just passing critical judgement on the singing? dave Andy Ball wrote: > Hi Paul,or any one else who has downloaded these files. Can you help me out? > I've downloaded these files (about 60Mb in total) but how do I get to play > them. > I've changed the file names from "filemame.128" or what ever to > "filename.mp3", > but I get garbage when I try to play them through several MP3 software > players. > Please tell me what I'm doing wrong! > > Cheers, > > Andy. > > >> > >>BTW, those downloading, remember to transfer in binary mode, and also > >>those with slow and/or unreliable connections might want to use an FTP > >>client that supports "reget" to resume broken transfers (e.g., NetBSD > >>ftp; ncftp for Unix, GetRight [http://www.getright.com/] for > >>M$-Windoze). > >> > >>Cheers, > >> > >>Paul. From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Wed Nov 11 00:46:22 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (Dave Greenhalgh) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:46:22 +0900 Subject: OFF: Help Cleaning Recordings Message-ID: I know there's a few recording experts on this list so if the rest of you will bear with me while I ask a question ... I'm trying to rescue a live recording of our band's "farewell" gig. The desk tape was badly recorded and there is analogue overload distortion on the peaks. It's not too noticeable on the electric bits, but really sticks out when there's only an acoustic piano playing. (Annoying since that's me!) Can I rescue this, or is it lost for ever? I use Cubase 3.7 and/or Sound Forge, but not very well. Unless this is of any interest to others on the list, if anyone can help, then probably direct email is most appropriate. Thanks Dave