From talger at PIPELINE.COM Fri May 1 00:15:19 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 00:15:19 -0400 Subject: OFF: Ted's Tape Questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: AB sez > >Never got into Saigon Kick or Frank Marino huh? Quality stuff but a >matter of taste. Frank's an old school rock and roller and one of the >best guitarist on the planet. SK their music is rock and all but the >kitchen sink thrown in. Lots of lineup changes but the one constant was >always Jason Bieler, a genius for song writing and guitar playing. > ok, don't shoot me... but when I heard SK a while back they just sounded like another one of those generic rock bands.....y'know, Anchovy Wanker, that type of stuff..... >Atomic Opera - They did one album years ago as part of the extended >King's X family. Like the Galactic Cowboys and KX they were produced by well, haven't heard any of it, but I do know that AO have in fact released that other album....the KX newsgroup was talking about it a while back...I guess Jerry did some drums on it > >Rare Queensryche and Y&T appeals greatly. Yum yum. > >Accoustic Shot of Love, I think I have a demo of that on tape. >Nothing on cd. In fact I have about 6-8 KX shows, a copy of Ride the I have "Building Blox" with the acoustic SOL on it....but I don't have any bootlegs.... we'll have to talk about that... the best I could do (if I could find any of my old tapes) was that I once taped a KBFH from around the FHL era.... > >NSP - No but I have the Metal Blade release of Moonflower Lane. Great >stuff but you expect that from Ty. Now waiting for Doug's solo. > other than the real drums, I think some of the recordings on NSP are better than ML..... >Endangered Speices, alas I have not yet seen this for a price I am >willing to pay. I got Musically Incorrect as an import as is most of my >Y&T collection (imports that is). I've probably spent more on their >cd's than any other band. When I can get a local copy of ES I'll jump >on it. ES is good.... I only have about 4 on CD the rest of mine are the original vinyl...including the 1st Yesterday and Today > >Rare BOC on vinyl? Do you have a rough idea of the value ($)? > never really kept up on prices..... Ted From talger at PIPELINE.COM Fri May 1 00:19:37 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 00:19:37 -0400 Subject: OFF: Makin' Bacon /Big Flats & Mad Sceintist In-Reply-To: <25C993315B3@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: >Also, does anyone have any details about BD's 'Business Trip' to Eur. >to promote HF? > >theo well, he told us the day before he left that he was doing IIRC, "5 countries in five days" ..... he's back now and posted something about it on AOL.... Ted From eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK Fri May 1 02:49:40 1998 From: eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK (eldritch) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 07:49:40 +0100 Subject: SV: OFF:Smiler confusion (was OFF:Wahey!)/Mother Gong Suck! Message-ID: We're not having any of that 'I am a tree' stuff... Where did Gilli go wrong her first LP is so wonderful... eldritch From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Fri May 1 03:11:16 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Nebosuke) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 03:11:16 EDT Subject: BOC, Brain: Richard Meltzer video Message-ID: [thanks to Andy Gilham for alerting me (via the list) to this video] crosspost from AOL: Fans of Richard Meltzer should check out "Rhymes With Seltzer: Richard Meltzer Reads Some Stuff", a video now available from www.forcedexposure.com. Two hours and twenty-five seconds of him reading pieces from Gulcher, The Night (Alone) and who knows where else, plus extemporaneous riffing at bookstore signings, onstage, on television and at home. Also videos of his old band Vom, with Meltzer singing with pants (trousers, with eyeholes) over his head, and standing in bathwater with jumper cables attached to his groin for "Electrocute Your Cock". BOC-related: the phrase "lick my diz" shows up in a poem called "Hoosiers", lending further corroboration to the explanation of the word that can be found in the FAQ. Meltzer also reads "Veins", which had previously appeared in The Night (Alone) under the title "Friends and Neighbors". I'd be interested in knowing whether this piece was in this form before submission as the lyric that ended up in TRBN. In other words, whether the pruning / structuring / rewriting of the piece was done by Meltzer or BD. Either way I'm not surprised that the line "I'm a fat ugly fuck and maybe I killed somebody" didn't make the final lyric :-) Cost me $20.50 including UPS shipping. Something to offend everyone and highly recommended to fans of the man's writing. -Chris Baker From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri May 1 03:46:00 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 08:46:00 +0100 Subject: BOC: Spare London Astoria ticket Message-ID: Thanks to a cock-up (thanks ChrisW! :) I have an extra ticket for BOC at London Astoria, June 3rd. First come first served, at face value (?12.50). - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK Fri May 1 05:09:09 1998 From: C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 10:09:09 +0100 Subject: SV: OFF:Smiler confusion (was OFF:Wahey!)/Mother Gong Suck! Message-ID: Eldritch writeth: > We're not having any of that 'I am a tree' stuff... Well it was you that started it by mentioning Mother GonG. When all's said and done we are all one, I am the universe wheeeeeeeeeeeeee .... sorry couldn't help myself :-(( > Where did Gilli go wrong her first LP is so wonderful... Whimsy and hippy pap are more dangerous than any illegal drugs. I think that Daevid Allen goes around putting stuff in peoples tea. I saw him once do a benefit gig at a Steiner school - too whimsical to even play capitalist venues like clubs or pubs. Awful - the band was a few talentless traveller types: one on hurdy-gurdy, one on Indian drums. The audience was about 20 stoned freaks and this was the late 80's! Sooo embarrassing. Have these people no idea of the passing of time? Anyway we must be grateful that DA hasn't got to Lemmys bourbon yet! Chris Bates From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri May 1 06:26:49 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 10:26:49 +0000 Subject: BOC: revamped set Message-ID: On tor 30 apr 1998 09.54 -0400 "John A Swartz" wrote: > Well, the first record was done on 8-track, so that may have something > to do with it. My guess is that budgetary and technology restraints, > and the fact that really heavy mixes that we hear on CDs today were > pretty much non-existant back then had more to do with it. Surely not? The first two Sabbath albums and Tull's _Benefit_ were recorded in '70 and all sound much "thicker" than _BOC_. Perhaps a "heavier" sound can be coaxed from modern equipment, but there were fuller mixes contemporary with the early BOC albums. _Secret Treaties_ post-dates Hawkwind's _Space Ritual_ and is much thinner. I can only believe it was an aesthetic decision (which may have made sense at the time, but doesn't stand up so well in the omnipotence of hindsight :) With _Agents of Fortune_, BOC acquired a more polished sound, but also a more dynamic mix, IMO. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri May 1 05:54:15 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 02:54:15 PDT Subject: BOC: Am I alone in thinking this? (was revamped set) Message-ID: > With _Agents of Fortune_, BOC acquired a more polished sound, but >also a more dynamic mix, IMO. > >Cheers, >Carl I'm gonna get my ass busted for this, but..... Whilst acquiring a better sound and mix, they added in a 60% keek song mix. The first 3 studio albums, the live albums and Imaginos are the only BOC LP's I can listen to from start to finish. >From AoF onwards, cohesion and most of what they were _vanished_, on LP anyway. IMO. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri May 1 06:30:42 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 11:30:42 +0100 Subject: OFF: Makin' Bacon /Big Flats & Mad Sceintist In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:13:12 BST." <000001bd747c$c8687ea0$bc3f63c3@default> Message-ID: > > Which reminds me - the Mutton Birds are not only playing the very same > night, but at the LA2, which is right next door. Wouldn't it be neat if > they could do a combined version of "Reaper"? > Oh wow, somebody has gotta tell BOC about this piece of serendipity ! Get them all onstage I say Tim From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri May 1 07:52:59 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 11:52:59 +0000 Subject: SV: OFF:Smiler confusion (was OFF:Wahey!)/Mother Gong Suck! Message-ID: On fre 1 maj 1998 10.09 +0100 "Chris Bates" wrote: > Anyway we must be grateful that DA hasn't got to Lemmys > bourbon yet! Perhaps during the Sam Gopal days, but Lemmy has since recovered :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri May 1 08:02:48 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 12:02:48 +0000 Subject: BOC: Am I alone in thinking this? (was revamped set) Message-ID: On fre 1 maj 1998 02.54 +0000 "Horse Whisperer" wrote: > I'm gonna get my ass busted for this, but..... > Whilst acquiring a better sound and mix, they added in a 60% keek song > mix. > The first 3 studio albums, the live albums and Imaginos are the only BOC > LP's I can listen to from start to finish. Naw, I agreefor the most part. BOC were more coherent and spookier before they escaped from Pearlman :) _Imaginos_, as we know, would have been a marvelous return to form had it actually been a "BOC" album :) BOC has always had a mix of awesome and duff tracks on its later albums, IMO. Actually, there are a few tracks on the early albums which I'm not wild about, but what the heck. Shouldn't people be slagging off (er) "Teen Archer" (isn't it?) for its enormously repetitive lyrics. Surely Shirley was no worse!? :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri May 1 07:14:01 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 12:14:01 +0100 Subject: OFF: Makin' Bacon /Big Flats & Mad Sceintist In-Reply-To: <199805011030.LAA09924@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: > > Which reminds me - the Mutton Birds are not only playing the very same > > night, but at the LA2, which is right next door. Wouldn't it be neat if > > they could do a combined version of "Reaper"? > > > > Oh wow, somebody has gotta tell BOC about this piece of > serendipity ! Get them > all onstage I say I was thinking about this further, and I bet what happens is DR guests with the Muttons at *their* gig :( - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri May 1 07:42:31 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 04:42:31 PDT Subject: BOC: Am I alone in thinking this? (was revamped set) Message-ID: >On fre 1 maj 1998 02.54 +0000 "Horse Whisperer" > wrote: >> I'm gonna get my ass busted for this, but..... >> Whilst acquiring a better sound and mix, they added in a 60% keek song >> mix. >> The first 3 studio albums, the live albums and Imaginos are the only BOC >> LP's I can listen to from start to finish. > > Naw, I agreefor the most part. BOC were more coherent and spookier >before they escaped from Pearlman :) _Imaginos_, as we know, would have >been a marvelous return to form had it actually been a "BOC" album :) > > BOC has always had a mix of awesome and duff tracks on its later >albums, IMO. Actually, there are a few tracks on the early albums which >I'm not wild about, but what the heck. > > Shouldn't people be slagging off (er) "Teen Archer" (isn't it?) for >its enormously repetitive lyrics. Surely Shirley was no worse!? :) > >Cheers, >Carl Phew, I got away with it then! I think that's why their live stuff has always been built largely around the 1st 3 LP's plus the Big Three. I may have to go for a quick day-dream here and imagine a world with Imaginos as the first of a spate of actual BOC albums. Maybe I'd be taller and better-looking too (hmmmm). Repetition.....Astronomyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy, a staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar x4?? Wannabe Live Track.....Vengeance (The Pact) I did a monster remix of Vengeance, and I think I might do an MP3 of it and put it on my Web Site. Just for a laff. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Fri May 1 08:46:44 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 13:46:44 +0100 Subject: BOC: Am I alone in thinking this? (was revamped set) In-Reply-To: <704528.3103012968@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > > Naw, I agreefor the most part. BOC were more coherent and spookier > before they escaped from Pearlman :) _Imaginos_, as we know, would have > been a marvelous return to form had it actually been a "BOC" album :) > > BOC has always had a mix of awesome and duff tracks on its later > albums, IMO. Actually, there are a few tracks on the early albums which > I'm not wild about, but what the heck. > At this point, I have to make a stand for CE. From its cover art, to the general ambience of the recording, this album is as coherent as anything else the band have done. And it rocks from start to finish. Sure, The Marshall Plan is maybe a bit out of place lyrically, but then you could say the same for TRatB on T&M. FoUO was good, but didn't quite measure up to CE. After that, the albums became a bit of a curate's egg and for some reason the quality of the cover art started to get a bit iffy, a trend which HF sadly seems to be continuing. Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "Experiments that failed HCI Design Centre too many times School of Informatics Transformations that were City University too hard to find" Northampton Square (Blue Oyster Cult) London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Fri May 1 08:53:21 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 13:53:21 +0100 Subject: That MOJO review In-Reply-To: <704528.3103012968@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: This is what MOJO had to say about HF (review by Ben Edmonds): "It should come as no surprise that the new BOC album plays as if no time has elapsed since their platinum heyday. Even then, Long Island's favourite four-eyed [?] metal muthas viewed things from a vantage point a half-step removed. That remove is what keeps new material like See You In Black ("I'd like to see you in black/It'd make me feel like your husband's dead") and Damaged as fresh as the old stuff. Two clear signs of undiminished brain cells: they call a song Still Burning and decline the invitation to rip off their smash of similar title, and the obligatory remake (In Thee) is actually better than the original. The message the BOC boys want to bring to the rec rooms of the '90s - "Something beyond is calling to you" - turns out to be the exact same message as Madonna's 'Ray of Light', the Number 1 album on our planet the day Heaven Forbid was released. Do these guys know their stuff or what?" ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "Experiments that failed HCI Design Centre too many times School of Informatics Transformations that were City University too hard to find" Northampton Square (Blue Oyster Cult) London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri May 1 08:50:39 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 07:50:39 -0500 Subject: BOC: revamped set Message-ID: >I think the sound quality on the first album may have been intentionally 'ambiguous,' to highlight the sense of mystery conveyed by a lot of the lyrics. That first record still sounds pretty spooky all these years later. Maybe I should break down and get a first-rate system some day? I think it was more Columbia records not affording the band first class treatment until they proved they could turn a profit. The band should do a few more songs from this time period (BOC & T&M), Stairways in particular is an awesome opening number. One could only imagine what some of thos songs would sound like now. Ghost in the Ruins From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri May 1 10:04:46 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 14:04:46 +0000 Subject: BOC: Am I alone in thinking this? (was revamped set) Message-ID: On fre 1 maj 1998 13.46 +0100 "Hardman DK" wrote: > FoUO was good, but didn't quite measure up to CE. After that, the albums > became a bit of a curate's egg and for some reason the quality of the > cover art started to get a bit iffy, a trend which HF sadly seems to be > continuing. Though it really shouldn't be too hard to make a good BOC album: a bunch of heavy rockers which suggest that Cthulu is coming to eat you (probably during the guitar solo), a few shimmering Buck pop numbers about something vaguely disturbing, a huge sprawling progressively tinged epic about something science-fictiony, and a slow brooding number which implies that Cthulu already _has_ eaten you and you are just now coming to terms with it. As long as the lyrics don't really make much sense, but have overtones of something awful lurking just out of sight, mention "Suzy" once or twice, and avoid end-rhyme whenever possible then all should be well. :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri May 1 08:55:00 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 07:55:00 -0500 Subject: tBS: next album Message-ID: >As of now this title will start with a P but maybe we'll have >subtitles for >the different disks like "The Red" and "The Black" on T&M. 8-) >Power Drill >Pituitary >Pill Box >Probable Title >Pita Pocket >Poughkeepsie Afternoon >Anyone else want to take a shot? Why not - Main Title - "Punching My Pillow", disc subtitles "Black" and "Blue". >O.K., enough of my crazy thoughts. So, Albert do I detect a double live album in the works here? ;-) >John Indeed, whats up with that? Ghost in the Ruins From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri May 1 08:59:40 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 05:59:40 -0700 Subject: Short Takes Message-ID: >Also, does anyone have any details about BD's 'Business Trip' to Eur. to promote HF? Nope, all I know is Buck described it as a "Meet the Press" kinda thing. Hope they didn't run the poor guy ragged. >Thanks to John for providing the list with the newest version of the BOC FAQ, which is now available at the archive ftp://ftp.spc.edu/boc-l/BOC_FAQ-3_0.TXT. YnSSHM, Ben Excuse Me? John Swartz you shamless UNDERPROMOTER! 8>) Now fess up you really are Kevin Bacon aren't you. Ghost in the Ruins From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri May 1 10:10:57 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 14:10:57 +0000 Subject: BOC: revamped set Message-ID: On fre 1 maj 1998 07.50 -0500 "BREVARD, Adrian R." wrote: > I think it was more Columbia records not affording the band first class > treatment until they proved they could turn a profit. "Pshaw!" I say! :) What kind of budget was _Black Sabbath_ recorded on? No, it was a dodgy production decision, IMO, and therefore presumably Pearlman's fault :) After all, the sound _did_ improve once his influence was lessened. It doesn't take a lot of fancy studio gear to get a monster guitar sound. You just have to "move some air" and keep anyone from flattening the EQ with a giant piece of tin. :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri May 1 08:10:17 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 08:10:17 -0400 Subject: recruitment tool Message-ID: So far, apart from getting people to directly listen to it, i've gotten a number of people to go out and get HF by e-mailing them Torgo's review of the album, several were so impressed by the review they had to see what would cause someone to right such a review. And so far all of them liked the album (they went out and bought it, including one which had nothing else of BOC prior to it), though one or two said it was good but not as good as the review.... One person said Torgo's review should've been the liner notes for the album... Anyways, thanks Torgo... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri May 1 09:41:31 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 09:41:31 -0400 Subject: BOC FAQ is Here! Message-ID: Yeah, Ben beat me to it. Version 3.0 of the BOC FAQ is now available at: ftp://ftp.spc.edu/boc-l/BOC_FAQ-3_0.TXT I haven't linked it to my website yet, but will do so soon, and I'm sure some HTML version will be done (not necessarily by me) in the near future. The most significant addition to this version of the FAQ, but one worthy of considering this a "significant upgrade" is the inclusion of HEAVEN FORBID - finally, THE MOST FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTION about BOC has been answered! John From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri May 1 10:47:37 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 14:47:37 +0000 Subject: BOC FAQ is Here! Message-ID: On fre 1 maj 1998 09.41 -0400 "John A Swartz" wrote: > The most significant addition to this version of the FAQ, but one worthy > of considering this a "significant upgrade" is the inclusion of HEAVEN > FORBID - finally, THE MOST FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTION about BOC has been > answered! Cool. By the way, when is the next album coming out? :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri May 1 09:49:27 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 09:49:27 -0400 Subject: FAQ link update Message-ID: Using your browser, the previously-posted link to the FAQ may not work due to case sensitivity. Try this: ftp://ftp.spc.edu/boc-l/boc_faq-3_0.txt John From mumford at ONLINE.NO Fri May 1 09:59:39 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset3xKO) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 15:59:39 +0200 Subject: recruitment tool Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold writes: > One person said Torgo's review should've been > the liner notes for the album... I was so stunned by it I was unable to reply to his post at the time. Torgo could be BOC's new Pearlman/Meltzer-in-one-and-then-some - isn't there some sort of job application form for these sort of things? Maybe someone should write one up... :) I have yet to get HF meself though... Chr. -------DIY sig: "Gustav Dore: God knows what they spiked his drinks with." From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri May 1 07:46:53 1998 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 21:46:53 +1000 Subject: HW: Links & Codex Message-ID: Greetings folks, Well I finally got around to updating my Hawkwind page with all those links people sent ... many thanks all for telling me about them I also updated the codex to the March 98 version (thanks Mike) Non-tech-heads can ignore the next bit :) I've been thinking about the various comments regarding maintaining a central database of Hawk links. This would not be hard to do either as a CGI script (and a bit of JavaScript), as a Server-side include or just plain vanilla HTML loaded in a frame. In any case I'd be happy to write and maintain whatever method is chosen by the general populace. The best thing to do would (as suggested) create a database containing the URL, title, description and perhaps a 'last updated' field. A form on a seperate page could be provided to send in updates or new pages. The database would be relatively small, so I'd be happy to update it manually then run a program to generate the HTML to place on the server (or if we go the CGI path a script would exist on the server) Comments?? Incidentally, I'll be travelling again next month so I won't be able to work on this until July .... :-) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri May 1 09:53:46 1998 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 23:53:46 +1000 Subject: HW: Pic of Del Message-ID: Just quickly, there's a Del Dettmar page brewing off: http://www.ronturner.com/robin/myrobin2.htm Soniqu? -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri May 1 10:30:37 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 07:30:37 -0700 Subject: OFF:Ted's Tape Questions Message-ID: Ted>ok, don't shoot me... but when I heard SK a while back they just sounded like another one of those generic rock bands.....y'know, Anchovy Wanker, that type of stuff..... Sounds like SK or the Lizard. Water was a lot different but it certainly could not have been Devil in the Details, its all different on that one. Definitely their best album, I think you'd like this one. >well, haven't heard any of it, but I do know that AO have in fact released that other album....the KX newsgroup was talking about it a while back...I guess Jerry did some drums on it They defintiely have a new album but again there has been some lineup changes and they are no longer with Sam Taylor. No idea what they sound like. >Rare Queensryche and Y&T appeals greatly. Yum yum. >Accoustic Shot of Love, I think I have a demo of that on tape. >Nothing on cd. In fact I have about 6-8 KX shows, a copy of Ride the >I have "Building Blox" with the acoustic SOL on it....but I don't have any bootlegs.... we'll have to talk about that... the best I could do (if I could find any of my old tapes) was that I once taped a KBFH from around the FHL era.... Definitely will get you a listing of what I have. One of the tapes even has some of the early Ear Candy demo's/outtakes. I have never seen a copy of Building Blox. For a band thats toured as much as they did early on in their careers there sure isn't a whole lot of boot cd's avaialable. Ride the Wind is the only one I'm aware of and I think its source was a radio broadcast. > >NSP - No but I have the Metal Blade release of Moonflower Lane. Great stuff but you expect that from Ty. Now waiting for Doug's solo. > >other than the real drums, I think some of the recordings on NSP are better than ML..... Thats the general consensus even though ML is great. There are only six or so of the original NSP songs on ML right? I know not everything from NSP is on ML which is why I want NSP too. When I was in Dallas in February, I spent an entire afternonn trying to get a copy. NSP was sold out everywhere I went. >Endangered Speices, alas I have not yet seen this for a price I am >willing to pay. I got Musically Incorrect as an import as is most of myY&T collection (imports that is). I've probably spent more on their >cd's than any other band. When I can get a local copy of ES I'll jump >on it. >ES is good.... I only have about 4 on CD the rest of mine are the original vinyl...including the 1st Yesterday and Today Relatively speaking is ES as good as MI? MI rules and if ES is in the same vien I definitely want a copy. BTW do you know that Dave M has a solo album called "On the Blue Side". Japan only import where Dave is wailing the blues. Dream Disc has it for $28. >Rare BOC on vinyl? Do you have a rough idea of the value ($)? > >never really kept up on prices..... I'd check you may be filthy rich and not be aware of it. 'Course money probably isn't enough for rare vinyl BOC. 8>). Tapes almost done but before I send I'll list the KX stuff I have in case you want some copies. L8er Ghost in the Ruins From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri May 1 10:58:26 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 07:58:26 PDT Subject: BOC: Am I alone in thinking this? (was revamped set) Message-ID: > > Though it really shouldn't be too hard to make a good BOC album: a >bunch of heavy rockers which suggest that Cthulu is coming to eat you >(probably during the guitar solo), a few shimmering Buck pop numbers about >something vaguely disturbing, a huge sprawling progressively tinged epic >about something science-fictiony, and a slow brooding number which implies >that Cthulu already _has_ eaten you and you are just now coming to terms >with it. > > As long as the lyrics don't really make much sense, but have >overtones of something awful lurking just out of sight, mention "Suzy" >once or twice, and avoid end-rhyme whenever possible then all should be >well. > >:) > >-- >Carl Edlund Anderson Now that I've gotten up off the floor and stopped giggling... Carl - you are clearly the end result of a mutant hybrid involving Meltzer, Pearlman and Bouchard. Infact, they were all you and you are a metamorphosing time-hopping Android. Wipe Out. You are the new candid for Mad Scientist of the Month. Classic. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri May 1 07:04:59 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 11:04:59 +0000 Subject: OFF: Y&T Message-ID: I've been meaning to ask the Y&T fans out there a question... Not too long ago, I came across the Best of 81-85 CD in a cutout bin, and I thought, 'Damn, maybe it's time I revisit the head-bangin', Iron Maiden painter cap-wearin' days of my youth. I was all set to buy it when I noticed that one of their most popular tunes, 'Keep on Runnin'' (or was it 'Don't Stop Runnin'?) wasn't even on there! Totally soured me on the disc. Is there any kind of compilation that contains all the best stuff PLUS this one? -- Nick From Dano7 at WEBTV.NET Fri May 1 11:00:52 1998 From: Dano7 at WEBTV.NET (Dan Olivadoti) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 11:00:52 -0400 Subject: BOC: Old albums' production Message-ID: I have to chime in on the production and mixes of the old material. I'm sorry but the time in which it was recorded is irrelevant. Yes, a lot of older production "sounds" dated, but BOC's albums all the way through "AOF" really just sound BAD! To a lot of people, I'm sure it's unlistenable. I got really turned on to BOC with "Cult Classic", believe it or not, because I could finally get into that material. Then I started appreciating the older albums more. The older stuff, classic as it is, is the weakest and shrillest sounding stuff that I've ever heard (production-wise). Dano THE American Band Is Back! www.grandfunkrailroad.com From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Fri May 1 11:11:44 1998 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 10:11:44 -0500 Subject: HW: Links & Codex (really only links) In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9_=3Csonique=40MAXWELL=2EPCMICRO=2ECOM?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=2EAU=3E?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?________=22HW=3A_Links_&_Codex=22_=28May__1=2C__9=3A46pm?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=29?= Message-ID: Soniqu? wrote: > Non-tech-heads can ignore the next bit :) > > I've been thinking about the various comments regarding maintaining a central > database of Hawk links. This would not be hard to do either as a CGI script > (and a bit of JavaScript), as a Server-side include or just plain vanilla > HTML loaded in a frame. In any case I'd be happy to write and maintain > whatever method is chosen by the general populace. > > The best thing to do would (as suggested) create a database containing the > URL, title, description and perhaps a 'last updated' field. A form on a > seperate page could be provided to send in updates or new pages. The database > would be relatively small, so I'd be happy to update it manually then run a > program to generate the HTML to place on the server (or if we go the CGI path > a script would exist on the server) > > Comments?? I have a basic system that does this now, I just haven't had the time to put it anywhere. My basic scheme is to maintain the database as a flat file similar to a bibtex file. I have a perl script that processes the database into an HTML file. The current system has a couple of bells and whistles. A database entry looks like this (things in []'s are my comments): URL: [the URL of the link] TAG: [a unique tag field, which I will explain later] WHO: [the name of the person maintaining the site] EMAIL: [the email address of the person maintaining the site] TITLE: [the title of the site, taken from the title entry of the page itself] DESCRIPTION: [an optional brief description] TYPE: [N for non-commercial, C for commercial] The entry for my page look like this: URL: http://www.enteract.com.~weil/golden_void TAG: ENT00 WHO: Frank Weil EMAIL: weil at enteract.com TITLE: The Golden Void DESCRIPTION: TYPE: N The links are output as entries in a definition list. Now, I figure that some people will want to customize their links pages a bit, so I added some options. First, one can wrap their own HTML headers and footers around the list. Second, one can include another file that contains comments. These comments are associated with the links through the TAG field. For example, a comment entry might look like: TAG: ENT00 COMMENT: This is comment. It wraps around several lines and describes my own personal thoughts and reviews about this link. There are some other options, such as choosing only commercial, non-commercial, or all links. The script also can handle multiple maintainers, e-mail addresses, etc. I have the database set up for several links, although I am a bit behind in adding some newer ones. I can put the prototypes on my page so that others can access them for now. Paul, we should coordinate our efforts on this. Thoughts and comments are welcome. > Incidentally, I'll be travelling again next month so I won't be able to work > on this until July .... I have been slow in acting on this because I am swamped at work, moving at home in a couple of weeks, and getting sent out of the country on business the week before the move. (On the plus side, I am going to Sweden and I'll get to spend a weekend in Stockholm sightseeing on the company's expense. Things could be worse. ;-) Frank -- =============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 Advice for Idiots: An actual tip from page 16 of the HP "Environmental, Health & Safety Handbook for Employees": "Blink your eyelids periodically to lubricate your eyes." From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri May 1 12:34:18 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 16:34:18 +0000 Subject: BOC: Am I alone in thinking this? (was revamped set) Message-ID: > Now that I've gotten up off the floor and stopped giggling... > Carl - you are clearly the end result of a mutant hybrid involving > Meltzer, Pearlman and Bouchard. > You are the new candid for Mad Scientist of the Month. You haven't even seen the evil creation I built a few years ago: lyrics to my shameless BOC-rip-off song (alas, never recorded because it _was_ a sprawling epic) based on H.P. Lovecraft's "The Colour Out of Space". I called it, "The Colour Out of Space". I'll stack 'em up against John Shirley's offerings on _HF_ any day :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Fri May 1 12:15:54 1998 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 17:15:54 +0100 Subject: BOC: Am I alone in thinking this? (was revamped set) In-Reply-To: <1452430.3103029258@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 May 1998, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > You haven't even seen the evil creation I built a few years ago: > lyrics to my shameless BOC-rip-off song (alas, never recorded because it > _was_ a sprawling epic) based on H.P. Lovecraft's "The Colour Out of > Space". > > I called it, "The Colour Out of Space". Talk about shameless rips-off! I too have a song called "Color Out of Space"! (my copy of Lovecraft was a US edition). I recorded it in a local 4-track studio in 1987, with a band called (you guessed it) Color Out of Space. The band fell apart soon after, but we have got back together once or twice for reunion gigs. I believe the track will soon be circulating in a tape from Terrence Marks of the Robyn Hitchcock list. Incidentally, there is currently a band in NYC which has put out an album of the same name.. Here's the lyric, anyway. You can tick off the Lovecraft words and references easily, but where does the spoken introduction come from? COLOR OUT OF SPACE by Mike Godwin (spoken) I'm convinced that by some strange trick of chance, this creature _does_ exist. And I'm prepared to stake my reputation on it! The oyster boys are staring through the gambrel window-panes And when they spy batrachian girls they howl a mad refrain You'll see them in eldritch depths of harbours made insane And as they walk the streets at night you'll see in shades of pain The Color Out of Space, the Shadow Out of Time The Shadow Over Innsmouth where sunken church-bells chime Down in the darkest cellar the painter's disappeared He's left behind some canvases that seem a little weird The monster's almost real as he treads a secret path But what's this bloodstained piece of card? It's the monster's photograph! And now the mad god's waking and the seas are all astir Cyclopean structures rise above the waves and blur The angles are unnatural, the rugose cones ascend And in the Necronomicon you'll once more comprehend The Color Out of Space etc. - Mike G. From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri May 1 12:38:17 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 09:38:17 PDT Subject: BOC: Am I alone in thinking this? (was revamped set) Message-ID: Earlier I wrote.... >> You are the new candid for Mad Scientist of the Month. Then Carl whipped back with... > > You haven't even seen the evil creation I built a few years ago: >lyrics to my shameless BOC-rip-off song (alas, never recorded because it >_was_ a sprawling epic) based on H.P. Lovecraft's "The Colour Out of >Space". > > I called it, "The Colour Out of Space". > > I'll stack 'em up against John Shirley's offerings on _HF_ any day :) > I now demand you make this epic public. Did you write them or were they passed from the bowels of Sub Niggurath??? Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri May 1 13:15:37 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 13:15:37 -0400 Subject: OFF: Y&T Message-ID: Well, compilations never seem to have all the tracks that one might want, and record companies seem to have a knack for always leaving off one or two choice tunes. I don't know of any other Y&T compilations. John (still pissed that Aerosmith's *Pandora's Box* didn't include the only hit from *Rock in a Hard Place* - "Lightning Strikes") From johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM Fri May 1 13:36:52 1998 From: johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 19:36:52 +0200 Subject: HW: Welcome 4CD/Dave Anderson Message-ID: This is for those of you who's impressed of the [Unofficial] HW Recycling Industry Inc. It's written by a dude fairly close (but not on the inside) to that Industry. I've [edited] the text very briefly. Beside the fact Brock & co will never see any money from it, I hope the Mini-CD will make it. And then the Recycling will come to an end. best -joe ------------------------------------ On Thursday [9 Apr], I called Demi-Monde and spoke to Dave Anderson who's responsible for all that [Welcome to the Future] stuff. When I told him about the 4CD set, he replied 'oh, so it's out then'. He didn't know it had come out and was surprised bcause he said that the contracts had not yet been finalised and that someone ahd 'jumped the gun'. I told him about the fact that it had been sold in to us as a 5CD set with the missing Text Of Festival stuff, but had turned into a 4CD set without the unreleased tracks. He said I should say all this to Nigel Molden at Magnum, to whom the set had been licensed (I presume that Dressed To Kill then is some subsidiary activity of Magnum). T cut a long conversation short, I explained everything to Dave Anderson and the penny finally dropped on what had happened. Basically, Anderson is the only one in possession of the master tapes for the 'Text' album, but when he licensed it to Magnum, he never thought that Nigel would take it from his CD master and not fom Dave's master. Becaus Nigel probably hasn;t a clue that his Text Of Festival single CD isn't missing anything and isn't aware of the importance, he went ahead and did it from a CD master, and I presume that Dressed T Kill, having sold it in as a 5 CD set, just thought tht someone along the line had cocked it all up and said nothing. Anyway, Dave is now adamant that he wants to redress the problem an make the 4 CD set into the 5 CD set, with the expenses involved in that being incurred by Molden, the ultimate idea being that fans who've bought the 4 CD set be able to return it to their dealer and change it. I said that this was a bad idea because of the cost to the fans and he nihtmare logistic of the whole processs, such as proving who bought what and where, how the dealer gets credited for the expenses incurred in posting replacements, etc, etc. I said that it would be a far better idea if he released the unreleased Text album music onto CD as a mini-CD at, say, ?5.99, and that would be a much more accptable idea. Dave stated that he thought the fans might think of this as a rip-off, but I stated that I could think of far worse things that have constituted rip-offs than that. Anyway, with the shit about to hit the fan bewtween all of them... [...] From mumford at ONLINE.NO Fri May 1 13:48:03 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset3xKO) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 19:48:03 +0200 Subject: BOC: Old albums' production Message-ID: Dan Olivadoti writes: > I have to chime in on the production and mixes of the old material. I'm > sorry but the time in which it was recorded is irrelevant. No it isn't! Actually, it matters a great deal - especially in the case of BOC... > Yes, a lot of > older production "sounds" dated, but BOC's albums all the way through > "AOF" really just sound BAD! No they don't! :) > To a lot of people, I'm sure it's > unlistenable. Well, if they have no appreciation of solidly crafted music not necessarily "saved" or made "perfect" with modern equipment and surface gliss, yeah... P Part of the charm of "old" recordings is the inventive problem solving and creativity with limited technology (i.e. pre-easy like today when any fool who can turn a knob or three and say "wow, cool" becomes a 'producer' or even a 'musician'). For example, take The Beatles/George Martin vs. to all these crap bands today, with all that "great" technology, who try and try and don't even come close... compared to the Beatles :) In fact, many bands today pay oodles of money for old equipment to sound good, and *still* can't do it... > I got really turned on to BOC with "Cult Classic", believe > it or not, because I could finally get into that material. Wasn't that just a quick move to renew copyrights? > Then I > started appreciating the older albums more. The older stuff, classic as > it is, is the weakest and shrillest sounding stuff that I've ever heard > (production-wise). aaaw, c'mon! Like Black Sabbath's first few albums sounded any better :) Chr. > Dano > > THE American Band Is Back! www.grandfunkrailroad.com -------DIY sig: "Gustav Dore: God knows what they spiked his drinks with." From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri May 1 14:01:15 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 11:01:15 PDT Subject: BOC: Old albums' production Message-ID: > >aaaw, c'mon! Like Black Sabbath's first few albums sounded any better :) > >Chr. > Weeeelllllll....It does. But then, the Sab's 1st LP has got a phenomenal mix, and it has seldom been bettered. And the LP itself is flippin' fine 2. But I like the point about blaming SP. Heh heh heh. Chri$. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From HarrisonL1 at CARDIFF.AC.UK Fri May 1 19:47:32 1998 From: HarrisonL1 at CARDIFF.AC.UK (Luke Harrison) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 19:47:32 GMT0BST Subject: BOC: Old albums' production.... In-Reply-To: <199805011753.TAA11986@online.no> Message-ID: To my mind there's no doubt that the prodution on all of BOC's early output is poor to say the least (for whatever reason), but despite this Secret Treaties in particular remains one of my favourite rock/metal albums, which says a lot about the quality of the songs. In fact, having heard the albums so many times the production has become almost endearing -- just another strange BOC quirk! For me the same is true of Spirit (The Family that Plays Together etc...): shitty sound but stunning music. Two contenders for the worst produced album in this particular telluric sphear: Shakedown Street by the Dreadful Great and Make Them Die Slowly by White Zombie (produced by Bill Laswell, the same man who did the unthinkable and made Motorhead sound like they were playing in a small public toilet on Orgasmatron). Lots of Love, Luke. From mumford at ONLINE.NO Fri May 1 15:23:20 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset3xKO) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 21:23:20 +0200 Subject: BOC: Old albums' production Message-ID: > Weeeelllllll....It does. But then, the Sab's 1st LP has got a > phenomenal mix, and it has seldom been bettered. Well, my pre-master CD copy sounds like it was recorded under 5 ft. of mud. Not that I consider that a BAD thing, mind you... > And the LP itself is flippin' fine 2. Sure - why i brought it up. > But I like the point about blaming SP. Heh heh heh. You are right, I blame Smashing Pumpkins and (Wella SP haircare products) for the rapid cultural decline of the 90s. Chr. -------DIY sig: "Gustav Dore: God knows what they spiked his drinks with." From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri May 1 21:57:35 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 18:57:35 -0700 Subject: OFF: Y&T Message-ID: As regular readers know, I do this sort of thing for a living, but the days of freebies are over, damn it. However, I am happy to point people in the general direction that my paid services would take me There was another compilation released in the UK by Castle in 1992(?) called "Anthology" (bet they lay await at night thinking up that one). If memory serves me right it was a double set but I don't have a track listing to hand. However you could always check out the Y&T web pages at http://ubl.com./ubl/cards/010/7/24.html and doubtless they'll help y'all out. Zeit Nick English wrote: > > I've been meaning to ask the Y&T fans out there a question... > > Not too long ago, I came across the Best of 81-85 CD in a cutout bin, > and I thought, 'Damn, maybe it's time I revisit the head-bangin', > Iron Maiden painter cap-wearin' days of my youth. I was all set to > buy it when I noticed that one of their most popular tunes, 'Keep on > Runnin'' (or was it 'Don't Stop Runnin'?) wasn't even on there! > Totally soured me on the disc. > Is there any kind of compilation that contains all the best stuff > PLUS this one? > > -- Nick -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Record Hunter http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/hunter.html RH e-mail: record.hunter at dial.pipex.com E-zine: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/ Personal e-mail: zeitgeist.scot at dial.pipex.com From eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK Fri May 1 18:41:50 1998 From: eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK (eldritch) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 23:41:50 +0100 Subject: SV: OFF:Smiler confusion (was OFF:Wahey!)/Mother Gong Suck! Message-ID: Hippy pap?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Daevid Allen, Naaaaaaaa! He had a bit of a crisis early 80s. But some of the stuff before and after that has been the most wonderful music ever made. I was at a gig a few years back and a drunk got up with Daevid and said 'This man is a genius....' Daevids reply 'Don't say that what happens if I f**k it up?' He hasn't put a bad LP out in 10 years..and those 70s albums...cracking stuff!. Mind you it has to be said I did spend a little too much time dressing as a pixie and that was without any drugs ;-) Sigh.....gone are the days of when the next Hawks/Gong/Ozrics/Sisters of Mercy gig was all I had to think about............sigh. eldritch(retired gothic flower child) ObCD: Obsolete - Dashiel Hedayat+Gong From HarrisonL1 at CARDIFF.AC.UK Sat May 2 00:20:20 1998 From: HarrisonL1 at CARDIFF.AC.UK (Luke Harrison) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 00:20:20 GMT0BST Subject: SV: OFF:Smiler confusion (was OFF:Wahey!)/Mother Gong Suck! In-Reply-To: <354A4FAD.1EBCF810@ndirect.co.uk> Message-ID: Hey, Daevid Allen is on tour at the moment and in top form. Also he's playing a few dates soon with Hugh Hopper, Pip Pyle et al under the name of Brainville over the summer. Check out dates at: www.sonnet.co.uk/gong-gas/GAShome.html From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri May 1 19:12:58 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 00:12:58 +0100 Subject: BOC: Am I alone in thinking this? (was revamped set) In-Reply-To: <19980501145827.2369.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: At 07:58 01/05/98 PDT, you wrote: >> >> Though it really shouldn't be too hard to make a good BOC album: a >>bunch of heavy rockers which suggest that Cthulu is coming to eat you >>(probably during the guitar solo), a few shimmering Buck pop numbers >about >>something vaguely disturbing, a huge sprawling progressively tinged >epic >>about something science-fictiony, and a slow brooding number which >implies >>that Cthulu already _has_ eaten you and you are just now coming to >terms >>with it. >> >> As long as the lyrics don't really make much sense, but have >>overtones of something awful lurking just out of sight, mention "Suzy" >>once or twice, and avoid end-rhyme whenever possible then all should be >>well. >> >>:) >> >>-- >>Carl Edlund Anderson > > >Now that I've gotten up off the floor and stopped giggling... >Carl - you are clearly the end result of a mutant hybrid involving >Meltzer, Pearlman and Bouchard. >Infact, they were all you and you are a metamorphosing time-hopping >Android. >Wipe Out. >You are the new candid for Mad Scientist of the Month. >Classic. > >Chris. He's really a dark young of shub-niggurath ChrisW ObCD:Television "Marquee Moon" "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri May 1 19:29:41 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 00:29:41 +0100 Subject: BOC: Am I alone in thinking this? (was revamped set) In-Reply-To: <1452430.3103029258@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 16:34 01/05/98 +0000, you wrote: >> Now that I've gotten up off the floor and stopped giggling... >> Carl - you are clearly the end result of a mutant hybrid involving >> Meltzer, Pearlman and Bouchard. >> You are the new candid for Mad Scientist of the Month. > > You haven't even seen the evil creation I built a few years ago: >lyrics to my shameless BOC-rip-off song (alas, never recorded because it >_was_ a sprawling epic) based on H.P. Lovecraft's "The Colour Out of >Space". > > I called it, "The Colour Out of Space". > > I'll stack 'em up against John Shirley's offerings on _HF_ any day :) > >Cheers, >Carl > >-- >Carl Edlund Anderson >Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic >St. John's College, University of Cambridge Shouldn't that be "Miskatonic University" *giggle*gibber* ChrisW NP:Deep Structure "Lunar" (from This Is Drum&Bass, CD2) "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From mumford at ONLINE.NO Fri May 1 20:41:15 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (000xKO) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 02:41:15 +0200 Subject: OFF:Smiler confusion (was OFF:Wahey!)/Mother Gong Suck! Message-ID: > eldritch(retired gothic flower child) So that makes you and... er, Ian Astbury >;^> Chr. -------DIY sig: "Gustav Dore: God knows what they spiked his drinks with." From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sat May 2 05:17:14 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 10:17:14 +0100 Subject: BOC: Old albums' production.... In-Reply-To: <1160D1D439F@HUMSCF2S.CF.AC.UK> Message-ID: > man who did the unthinkable and made Motorhead sound like they were > playing in a small public toilet on Orgasmatron). > Lots of Love, Luke. > Hey, I've seen Motorhead in the Cambridge Corn Exchange, which has the acoustics of a small public toilet ... - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat May 2 10:49:48 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 14:49:48 +0000 Subject: BOC: The Colour Out of Space appears to be ... Blue ... Message-ID: On fre 1 maj 1998 17.15 +0100 "M R Godwin" wrote: > On Fri, 1 May 1998, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >> You haven't even seen the evil creation I built a few years ago: >> lyrics to my shameless BOC-rip-off song (alas, never recorded because it >> _was_ a sprawling epic) based on H.P. Lovecraft's "The Colour Out of >> Space". >> I called it, "The Colour Out of Space". > > Talk about shameless rips-off! I too have a song called > "Color Out of Space"! (my copy of Lovecraft was a US edition). Clearly we've uncovered a deep well of public support for music which involves "The Colour Out of Space" :) Here's my offering ... THE COLOUR OUT OF SPACE (C. Anderson) *VERSE 1 [clean guitar arpegiated stuff in A] West of Arkham the hills rise wild Where did the tangled trees arise And soft lives dwell They did not know How angels fail And fools will go There fell from out forbidden skies [massive E power chord riffing] Chromatic metal on the storm Plunged beside the well Cryptic matter magnetized It's glow resolving down >From formless realms of sunless night That undimensioned rainbow burns The colour (colour!) Out of space! VERSE 2 [clean guitar arpegiated stuff in A] In the valley slow the poison grows A bitter harvest where the colour sows The n flowers show A wicked hue And pale decay Blooms out anew The helpless senses fall away [massive E power chord riffing] Madness now the screaming mind Brittle greying cries Mutant form and deadly draw That emanating force >From formless realms of sunless night That undimensioned rainbow burns The colour (colour!) Out of space! [EERIE SPACEY SECTION] Lost in the void Beyond the wall of night Where trees bend black Away from killing light The night is long With a thousand tears The night is old With a thousand fears The last freezing sun Burns a flame untold Where desperate minds Sing soft whispers cold Ride the sky To it?s end Ride to death Your lifelong friend [slow 4 chord ascending riff which builds louder and heavier] [backing vocals with riff, to be repeated ad nauseum:] The colour out of space ... The colour out of space ... [etc.] [extemporized speech along these lines, with building hysteria:] Nothing ... Nothing! the colour ... it burns! cold .... wet! but burning .... It lives in the well ... I can see it! Like a smoke ... an awful mist .. it shines in the night! It sucks out the life ... everything! Everything! everything alive ... Into that stone ... It came in the stone ... with seeds ... and it grew .. It beats down your mind ... and sucks up your life! burns you! draws you in ... into the well! Evil water ... Evil water! You can?t get away ... it?s just a colour .. but it will do more ... It comes from a place where things aren?t as they are here ... [conclude spoken section with soul-rending scream] VERSE 3 [clean guitar arpegiated stuff in A] West of Arkham the trees wave wild The swelling light nameless to the eyes Where soft death comes They never knew The demon shade With strength anew The power drawn it homeward flies [massive E power chord riffing] Shrieking colours rend the sky Kaleidoscope distorts Monstrous fire to Cygnus burns Yet some fearful spark remains >From formless realms of sunless night That undimensioned rainbow burns The colour (colour!) Out of space! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat May 2 11:00:24 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 15:00:24 +0000 Subject: BOC: Am I alone in thinking this? (was revamped set) Message-ID: On l?r 2 maj 1998 00.29 +0100 "Chris Warburton" wrote: >>Carl Edlund Anderson >>Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic >>St. John's College, University of Cambridge > > Shouldn't that be "Miskatonic University" *giggle*gibber* Been there, done that :) Lovecraft drew on a number of New England unis for the creation of Miskatonic, and my old Harvard stomping grounds were among them. Harvard's Widener Library appears in a couple of Lovecraft stories, and the bulk of his private notebooks ended up in Harvard's Houghton Library. These are _very_ weird shit :) My favorite bits were the long lists of story "kernels", brief thoughts which might spark a story. All kinds of random capitalization and underlining. For example: AZATHOTH: a hideous _name_! _Ghouls_ come from the sea in the form of _Seals_ and PREY upon the _Living_! ... and so on. You get the idea :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From mumford at ONLINE.NO Sat May 2 10:33:53 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (000xKO) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 16:33:53 +0200 Subject: BOC: Am I alone in thinking this? (was revamped set) Message-ID: > Fra: Carl Edlund Anderson > My favorite bits were the long lists > of story "kernels", brief thoughts which might spark a story. > All kinds of random capitalization and underlining. For example: > > AZATHOTH: a hideous _name_! > > _Ghouls_ come from the sea in the form of _Seals_ and PREY upon > the _Living_! > > ... and so on. You get the idea :) > > Cheers, > Carl I got a few notebooks like that myself.... :) Chr. -------DIY sig: "Gustav Dore: God knows what they spiked his drinks with." From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Sat May 2 12:43:16 1998 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 10:43:16 -0600 Subject: BOC: The Colour Out of Space appears to be ... Blue ... Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > > THE COLOUR OUT OF SPACE > (C. Anderson) > <>>>This is great!! I guess I'm gonna hafta read the story now:) I'd love to hear this:) Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool From talger at PIPELINE.COM Sat May 2 13:58:53 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 13:58:53 -0400 Subject: OFF: Y&T In-Reply-To: <19980501150031.AAA16513@[208.214.94.85]> Message-ID: Nick sez >I've been meaning to ask the Y&T fans out there a question... > >Not too long ago, I came across the Best of 81-85 CD in a cutout >bin,.......... >Is there any kind of compilation that contains all the best stuff >PLUS this one? > there were 2 other compilations.... problem is they're both kind of hard to find.... one is the "Anthology" disc from Castle Communications (same guys that put out BOC's "Live 1976" IIRC).... the track listing is: RESCUE ME I BELIEVE IN YOU SQUEEZE HUNGRY FOR ROCK DON'T WANNA LOSE HELL OR HIGH WATER BARROOM BOOGIE BLACK TIGER SUMMERTIME GIRLS HANDS OF TIME MEAN STREAK TAKE YOU TO THE LIMIT HANG 'EM HIGH OPEN FIRE ( Live ) GO FOR THE THROAT ( Live ) FOREVER ( Live ) and the other is called "Forever" released by A&M Japan FROM THE MOON OPEN FIRE MEAN STREAK IN THE NAME OF ROCK RESCUE ME MIDNIGHT IN TOKYO BLACK TIGER HURRICANE STRAIGHT THRU THE HEART LIPSTICK AND LEATHER FOREVER DON'T STOP RUNNIN' I BELIEVE IN YOU 'course you could always just get the "Yesterday & Today Live" disc.... that's got "Don't Stop Runnin" on it....it's from Metal Blade, so it's probably a little easier to get your hands on..........or you could try and get one of us huge Y&T fans to cut you a tape or a disc! Ted From talger at PIPELINE.COM Sat May 2 14:06:33 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 14:06:33 -0400 Subject: OFF:Ted's Tape Questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: AB sez >Thats the general consensus even though ML is great. There are only six >or so of the original NSP songs on ML right? I know not everything from >NSP is on ML which is why I want NSP too. yes, the songs repeated from NSP are: Her Palace I Know Everything Walk With My Love Hollow Eyes (from a disturbing novel) Live In Your House Without You >Endangered Speices, alas I have not yet seen this for a price I am >willing to pay. I got Musically Incorrect as an import as is most of myY&T >collection (imports that is). I've probably spent more on their >cd's than any other band. When I can get a local copy of ES I'll jump >on it. you'll be happy to hear that the word is ES will be released stateside in May! I like ES better than MI, but that's just my preference... I really can't stand Phil's voice......Dave's much better >BTW do you know that Dave M has a >solo album called "On the Blue Side". Japan only import where Dave is >wailing the blues. Dream Disc has it for $28. heard about this.... I also hear that he may do some US shows in support....which would tend to indicate it's gonna get release here on the Y&T side.... have you got the studio version of "Go For The Throat" or the live "Summertime Girls"? > >Tapes almost done but before I send I'll list the KX stuff I have in >case you want some copies. > cool........ I'll have to start figuring out what I'm gonna toss onto a CD for ya..... if I can get a grip on this darn software to clean up my vinyl, I'll burn some of that stuff...... Ted From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat May 2 23:52:16 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 20:52:16 -0700 Subject: Tape Swap and Songs About F***ing Message-ID: Question, y'all. Where do we stand on the grounds of taste and decency re. this tape swap thang. I was midway through compiling a new version of my "Ridiculous Titles and Guaranteed To Offend" C90, when I realised that this was for someone outwith my usual tape trading circle. I'd already laid down "She Loves My Cock", "An Unrecognizeable Paradigm Shift" and "Meathook Up My Rectum" amongst others. What's the story. Start over or take a chance. You decide. Zeit -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Record Hunter http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/hunter.html RH e-mail: record.hunter at dial.pipex.com E-zine: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/ Personal e-mail: zeitgeist.scot at dial.pipex.com From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat May 2 16:42:37 1998 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuckrecs) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 16:42:37 EDT Subject: Tape Swap and Songs About F***ing Message-ID: That's a damn good question asked by Zeit. My tape isn't too bad, I managed to keep anything super-crude off of it, but there are a few possibly objectable songs--plus I really wanted to put Dr. Know's "Fist Fuck" on at the end as filler... I know a lot of people here have families, so... Chuck/Charlie From mumford at ONLINE.NO Sat May 2 17:09:23 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (000xKO) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 23:09:23 +0200 Subject: Tape Swap and Songs About F***ing Message-ID: Shhh.. you sensitive people are just being *too* damn cautios, *and* blabbing about your tapes - look, its a *surprise* thing, see, haha. So if some bastard ALSO happens to be too sensitive for your music, then - he/she has a VERY BIG PERSONAL PROBLEM! Chr. -------DIY sig: "Gustav Dore: God knows what they spiked his drinks with." From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sat May 2 10:35:24 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 15:35:24 +0100 Subject: BOC: Am I alone in thinking this? (was revamped set) In-Reply-To: <2799263.3103110024@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: Diverifying even further (sorry) - I guess a few of you out there remember the band "H.P.Lovecraft" - does anybody know if any of their stuff is available these days? I can't really remember what they were like, but I know i enjoyed the few things I heard on the radio at the time - of course, it might just be the rosy glow of history that makes me think that they were good.... ChrisW NP:Chemical Brothers "Dig Your Own Hole" P.S. OK, I'm off to see if I can buy a cassette deck *evil titter* - apparently an endangered species around these parts. P.P.S. Any body got any experience (good or bad) of MD recorders/players? "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From mumford at ONLINE.NO Sat May 2 19:09:05 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (000xKO) Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 01:09:05 +0200 Subject: BOC: Am I alone in thinking this? (was revamped set) Message-ID: > Diverifying even further (sorry) - I guess a few of you out there remember > the band "H.P.Lovecraft" - does anybody know if any of their stuff is > available these days? Oh yes, saw in SF in 67/68 myself, rather good ;) Seriously, most of their stuff is availible on CD - the Live, May 1968 and both their albums on 1 disc... > I can't really remember what they were like, but I know i enjoyed the few > things I heard on the radio at the time - of course, it might just be the > rosy glow of history that makes me think that they were good.... They make me think of a proto-Van Der Graaf Generator (the heavy organ and sometimes wailing singer probably) but with a 60s west coast sorta feel... quite "prog" for their time, esp. the spooky track "The White Ship". Goth before goth. Chr. ObCouldBeHW1971: The last few minutes of Ptolomy Psycon's "No One To Blame" ObOnTV: Led Zeppelin "The Song Remains The Same" -------DIY sig: "Gustav Dore: God knows what they spiked his drinks with." From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Sat May 2 19:32:13 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (antisol _8) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 16:32:13 PDT Subject: OFF:Smiler confusion (was OFF:Wahey!)/Mother Gong Suck! Message-ID: >> eldritch(retired gothic flower child) > >So that makes you and... er, Ian Astbury >;^> > >Chr. gothic? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sat May 2 19:43:17 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 00:43:17 +0100 Subject: Tape Swap and Songs About F***ing In-Reply-To: <354BE9F0.7741@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: At 20:52 02/05/98 -0700, you wrote: >Question, y'all. > >-- snip --< > >I'd already laid down "She Loves My Cock", "An Unrecognizeable >Paradigm Shift" and "Meathook Up My Rectum" amongst others. > >What's the story. Start over or take a chance. You decide. > >Zeit >-- > With my haemorrhoids, you can keep your meathook away from my rectum... Chris NP: "The Mind In The Trees" elton dean/hugh hopper/vinceclarke/frances knight "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun May 3 12:14:20 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 09:14:20 -0700 Subject: Tape Swap and Songs About F***ing Message-ID: Well, that was what I thought, but being a newcomer to this list, I thought it better to flag it up. So it looks like "Night To Train To Lichtenstein" will get an airing after all. Zeit 000xKO wrote: > > Shhh.. you sensitive people are just being *too* damn cautios, *and* > blabbing about your tapes - look, its a *surprise* thing, see, haha. So if > some bastard ALSO happens to be too sensitive for your music, then - he/she > has a VERY BIG PERSONAL PROBLEM! > > Chr. > > -------DIY sig: > "Gustav Dore: God knows what they spiked his drinks with." -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Record Hunter http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/hunter.html RH e-mail: record.hunter at dial.pipex.com E-zine: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/ Personal e-mail: zeitgeist.scot at dial.pipex.com From JMBpackers at AOL.COM Sun May 3 11:33:25 1998 From: JMBpackers at AOL.COM (JMBpackers) Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 11:33:25 EDT Subject: BOC: Old albums' production Message-ID: In a message dated 98-05-01 11:01:24 EDT, you write: << I have to chime in on the production and mixes of the old material. I'm sorry but the time in which it was recorded is irrelevant. Yes, a lot of older production "sounds" dated, but BOC's albums all the way through "AOF" really just sound BAD! To a lot of people, I'm sure it's unlistenable. I got really turned on to BOC with "Cult Classic", believe it or not, because I could finally get into that material. Then I started appreciating the older albums more. The older stuff, classic as it is, is the weakest and shrillest sounding stuff that I've ever heard (production-wise). >> Here we go again. You might consider the sound bad, while others consider it eerie and bonechilling. I still get goosebumps when listening to T&M, which is the effect the band strove for, and indeed achieved. I believe they should be applauded for their efforts. The sound of the albums and their lyrics, compliment each other in frightening fashion......it's what originally attracted me and many others to the band. Jim From johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sun May 3 14:31:59 1998 From: johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 20:31:59 +0200 Subject: Swap Tape Question Message-ID: hi folks, this was, as far as I understand, the original idea of the Tape Swap Project: (Andys well recognized typing style below) >Everybody who's interested makes up a tape, C60, >C90, whatever, of a bunch of their favourite weird music. Then in 2 or 3 >weeks from now, when you've had a chance to finish it, everyone who's "in" >writes to me (off-list) with their postal address. [...] >You then eagerly await a surprise package of music which someone else on the >list thinks is really groovy. You may think it sucks the big one, but >equally you might discover your new favourite band! then Li'l AB was slightly confused (maybe I've misunderstood or missed the Very Original Idea): >I'm confused I thought the original project was to fill tape with bad >music to repulse or embarrass the listener. Why would you defend it? I >have a few "why did I buy this" or "Glad it only cost a buck" cd's. last week, Horse Whisperer typed this: >Y'know, I think I'll fill my C-120 (heh he heh) with the songs from >BBC's Rock School and then fill the other side with my 30 Years of >Doctor Who Special FX CD. now the path has diverted into: "Ridiculous Titles and Guaranteed To Offend" C90 ------------------------------------------------------ think I've lost track in the tape swap debate. what am I supposed to create? an absolutely unlistenable piece of C-90, i.e right channel: Yuri Gagarin @ 45 rpm, left channel: Yuri Gagarin @ 16 rpm? as an extra value I can disadjust the record head in the tape recorder. optional: one channel can be recorded backwards, so the listener can search for hidden messages from outer space. or should I make a compilation of annoying stuff, based on avant garde tunes like "Suicide: Frankie Teardrop" or innovative stuff like "they're coming to take me away, haha" or whatever I find in the dark and dusty corners in the LP room that you surely don't want to know about? Oh, I have some neat instrumental xylophone jazz jam sessions too... or shall we return to what I thought was the original idea, a creation filled with odd stuff that the recorder believe is forgotten treasures - a tape that if it finds the right addresse will open up unknown doors in the rock history? help me find the path again. tell me what you want, and I'll do it for you. I may be bored beyond coma, but... best -joe From mumford at ONLINE.NO Sun May 3 15:45:35 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (000xKO) Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 21:45:35 +0200 Subject: Swap Tape Question Message-ID: Johan! Er du/dere en robot eller hva? :) The original idea here was pretty much "anything goes". and that should be easy enough a concept to grasp? Sure, I have a sort of lurid "theme" on my tape, but anyone can tape anything they want, preferably as lomng as its a mix of fairly obscure music to stimulate disovery of new things... no?? Is my crystal clear interpretation just too damn liberal? Chr. -------DIY sig: "Whenever Dennis Hopper goes into overdrive and his forehead shrivels up like a raw pancake sliding down a very hot teflon hill, I think of Howie on cocaine." > hi folks, > > this was, as far as I understand, the original idea of the Tape Swap Project: > (Andys well recognized typing style below) > > >Everybody who's interested makes up a tape, C60, > >C90, whatever, of a bunch of their favourite weird music. Then in 2 or 3 > >weeks from now, when you've had a chance to finish it, everyone who's "in" > >writes to me (off-list) with their postal address. [...] > >You then eagerly await a surprise package of music which someone else on the > >list thinks is really groovy. You may think it sucks the big one, but > >equally you might discover your new favourite band! > > > then Li'l AB was slightly confused > (maybe I've misunderstood or missed the Very Original Idea): > > >I'm confused I thought the original project was to fill tape with bad > >music to repulse or embarrass the listener. Why would you defend it? I > >have a few "why did I buy this" or "Glad it only cost a buck" cd's. > > > last week, Horse Whisperer typed this: > > >Y'know, I think I'll fill my C-120 (heh he heh) with the songs from > >BBC's Rock School and then fill the other side with my 30 Years of > >Doctor Who Special FX CD. > > > now the path has diverted into: > > "Ridiculous Titles and Guaranteed To Offend" C90 > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > think I've lost track in the tape swap debate. > what am I supposed to create? > > an absolutely unlistenable piece of C-90, i.e > right channel: Yuri Gagarin @ 45 rpm, left channel: Yuri Gagarin @ 16 rpm? > as an extra value I can disadjust the record head in the tape recorder. > optional: one channel can be recorded backwards, so the listener can search > for hidden messages from outer space. > > or should I make a compilation of annoying stuff, based on avant garde tunes > like "Suicide: Frankie Teardrop" or innovative stuff like "they're coming to > take me away, haha" or whatever I find in the dark and dusty corners in the > LP room that you surely don't want to know about? Oh, I have some neat > instrumental xylophone jazz jam sessions too... > > or shall we return to what I thought was the original idea, a creation > filled with odd stuff that the recorder believe is forgotten treasures - a > tape that if it finds the right addresse will open up unknown doors in the > rock history? > > > help me find the path again. > tell me what you want, and I'll do it for you. > I may be bored beyond coma, but... > > best -joe From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun May 3 16:27:52 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 21:27:52 +0100 Subject: Swap Tape Question In-Reply-To: <199805031950.VAA18743@online.no> Message-ID: Well, I just finished up my tape, and it's a mixture of out-and-out desert-island must-have obscure ought-to-be-classics, some oddities and snippets to amuse and delight, and some off-the-wall weirdness. Needless to say it's cool beyond belief :) Just use your judgement as to what goes on *your* tape! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of 000xKO > Sent: 03 May 1998 20:46 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: Swap Tape Question > > > Johan! Er du/dere en robot eller hva? :) The original idea here was pretty > much "anything goes". and that should be easy enough a concept to grasp? > Sure, I have a sort of lurid "theme" on my tape, but anyone can tape > anything they want, preferably as lomng as its a mix of fairly obscure > music to stimulate disovery of new things... no?? Is my crystal clear > interpretation just too damn liberal? > > Chr. > > -------DIY sig: > "Whenever Dennis Hopper goes into overdrive and his forehead shrivels up > like a raw pancake sliding down a very hot teflon hill, I think > of Howie on > cocaine." > > > > hi folks, > > > > this was, as far as I understand, the original idea of the Tape Swap > Project: > > (Andys well recognized typing style below) > > > > >Everybody who's interested makes up a tape, C60, > > >C90, whatever, of a bunch of their favourite weird music. Then in 2 or > 3 > > >weeks from now, when you've had a chance to finish it, everyone who's > "in" > > >writes to me (off-list) with their postal address. [...] > > >You then eagerly await a surprise package of music which > someone else on > the > > >list thinks is really groovy. You may think it sucks the big one, but > > >equally you might discover your new favourite band! > > > > > > then Li'l AB was slightly confused > > (maybe I've misunderstood or missed the Very Original Idea): > > > > >I'm confused I thought the original project was to fill tape with bad > > >music to repulse or embarrass the listener. Why would you > defend it? I > > >have a few "why did I buy this" or "Glad it only cost a buck" cd's. > > > > > > last week, Horse Whisperer typed this: > > > > >Y'know, I think I'll fill my C-120 (heh he heh) with the songs from > > >BBC's Rock School and then fill the other side with my 30 Years of > > >Doctor Who Special FX CD. > > > > > > now the path has diverted into: > > > > "Ridiculous Titles and Guaranteed To Offend" C90 > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > think I've lost track in the tape swap debate. > > what am I supposed to create? > > > > an absolutely unlistenable piece of C-90, i.e > > right channel: Yuri Gagarin @ 45 rpm, left channel: Yuri Gagarin @ 16 > rpm? > > as an extra value I can disadjust the record head in the tape recorder. > > optional: one channel can be recorded backwards, so the listener can > search > > for hidden messages from outer space. > > > > or should I make a compilation of annoying stuff, based on avant garde > tunes > > like "Suicide: Frankie Teardrop" or innovative stuff like > "they're coming > to > > take me away, haha" or whatever I find in the dark and dusty corners in > the > > LP room that you surely don't want to know about? Oh, I have some neat > > instrumental xylophone jazz jam sessions too... > > > > or shall we return to what I thought was the original idea, a creation > > filled with odd stuff that the recorder believe is forgotten treasures - > a > > tape that if it finds the right addresse will open up unknown doors in > the > > rock history? > > > > > > help me find the path again. > > tell me what you want, and I'll do it for you. > > I may be bored beyond coma, but... > > > > best -joe > From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sun May 3 21:41:03 1998 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 21:41:03 -0400 Subject: BOC: revamped set Message-ID: > "Pshaw!" I say! :) What kind of budget was _Black Sabbath_ recorded >on? No, it was a dodgy production decision, IMO, and therefore presumably >Pearlman's fault :) After all, the sound _did_ improve once his influence >was lessened. Not to make excuses but most heavy rock records that came out of England at that time sounded better than American ones. Why? Higher plate voltage probably played a part and with a higher AC voltage the power was also more stable. The first time we played in England with Marshalls we couldn't believe how much better they sounded than when we used them in the States. We were pretty disappointed in the sound of that first record, were more satisfied with the second (it was scarry sounding, wasn't it?) and hated the sound of Treaties. Once SP was made to give up control of the sound he started to lose interest in the whole thing. From AgentOF at AOL.COM Sun May 3 21:38:43 1998 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Agent OF) Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 21:38:43 EDT Subject: BOC: Address verification Message-ID: Is there a Ray Gray on the list? If so, please email your full address to verify it beofre I send out the BDB video to you, Thanks, Chuck Miracles DO Happen, Take One From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon May 4 03:05:08 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 08:05:08 +0100 Subject: OFF: BOC-L Tape In-Reply-To: <000701bd6f70$ae4dda80$9e3f63c3@default> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Apr 1998, Andy Gilham wrote: > (But If I had to pick, I'd go for "From on High" meself :) (And "Burning of > Rome"'ll probably end up on mine too!) Damn - another reminder to buy that. How do I keep forgetting? Jon From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon May 4 00:35:50 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 04:35:50 +0000 Subject: BOC: Am I alone in thinking this? (was revamped set) Message-ID: > P.P.S. Any body got any experience (good or bad) of MD recorders/players? We use Sony minidisc players at my radio station. They're quite decent, although we've had a couple bum units. They sound great and they're fun to use, but the public doesn't seem to be catching on yet, so I don't know how useful it'll be to own one. -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon May 4 00:44:32 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 04:44:32 +0000 Subject: BOC: Proper names Message-ID: My belated contribution to the debate over why BOC use so many proper names in their tunes: I didn't really have an opinion on this when people were talking about it initially, but at some point since then it occurred to me that BOC has to be one of the most narrative bands I've heard. Unlike other narrative bands, their stuff on average isn't in the form of sprawling historical or literary epics like others who use the narrative style. Their characters are generally normal folk involved in some pretty abnormal stuff. Hence the rather unimaginitive sounding nomenclature. Quite honestly, I always thought it provided a pretty cool human aspect to the rather inhuman goings on. :) -- Nick From eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK Mon May 4 14:50:57 1998 From: eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK (eldritch) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 11:50:57 -0700 Subject: OFF:Smiler confusion (was OFF:Wahey!)/Mother Gong Suck! Message-ID: antisol _8 wrote: > >> eldritch(retired gothic flower child) > > > >So that makes you and... er, Ian Astbury >;^> > > > >Chr. > > gothic? > Yeah I used to split my time between torturing people with Hawkwind and dressing in black velvet and white face make up. ;-) eldritch Actually Hawkwind and the Sisters of Mercy aren't that far apart. The Sisters used to do long improvistaional jams just like Hawkwind. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon May 4 08:02:19 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 13:02:19 +0100 Subject: OFF:Smiler confusion (was OFF:Wahey!)/Mother Gong Suck! In-Reply-To: <354E0E11.33AE08C0@ndirect.co.uk> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > > Yeah I used to split my time between torturing people with Hawkwind and > dressing in black velvet and white face make up. > > ;-) eldritch Why not combine the two? :)) - Andy ObTape: v/a - _Music and Songs of Tibet_ mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Mon May 4 08:32:11 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 13:32:11 +0100 Subject: HW: Tubby Tour '98 Message-ID: I forwarded the Tubby Tour news to a friend who saw HW at Oxford on the DH tour, and he reminded me that there was something that looked very much like a Teletubby painted on one of the speaker cabs... Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon May 4 08:38:16 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 13:38:16 +0100 Subject: HW: Tubby Tour '98 In-Reply-To: Kevin Perry's message of Mon, 4 May 1998 13:32:11 +0100 Message-ID: Kevin Perry writes: > tour, and he reminded me that there was something that looked very much like > a Teletubby painted on one of the speaker cabs... there was a Spice Girl too. Maybe if the number of band members on stage rise as high as five we can have SpiceWind? Now there's a thing. The Spice Girls play Hawkwind..... jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Mon May 4 09:01:02 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 14:01:02 +0100 Subject: HW: Tubby Tour '98 Message-ID: Well, Sam Fox did do Gimme Shelter with them, so nothing's impossible... Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ -----Original Message----- From: J Strobridge To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 04 May 1998 13:39 Subject: Re: HW: Tubby Tour '98 >Kevin Perry writes: > >> tour, and he reminded me that there was something that looked very much like >> a Teletubby painted on one of the speaker cabs... > >there was a Spice Girl too. Maybe if the number of band members on >stage rise as high as five we can have SpiceWind? Now there's a thing. >The Spice Girls play Hawkwind..... > >jill > >=========================================================================== >J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon May 4 09:03:35 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 09:03:35 -0400 Subject: BOC: The Colour Out of Space appears to be ... Blue ... Message-ID: >It lives in the well ... I can see it! Like a smoke ... an awful mist .. it shines in the night! It sucks out the life ... everything! Everything! Your Master is a Monster . . . ;-) Saw that part and just thought of some parts of Imaginos. Thanks for sharing Carl! John From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon May 4 09:31:12 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 08:31:12 -0500 Subject: OFF: Y&T Question Message-ID: >I've been meaning to ask the Y&T fans out there a question... Not too long ago, I came across the Best of 81-85 CD in a cutout bin,.......... Is there any kind of compilation that contains all the best stuff PLUS this one? Ted A> there were 2 other compilations.... problem is they're both kind of hard to find.... 'course you could always just get the "Yesterday & Today Live" disc.... that's got "Don't Stop Runnin" on it....it's from Metal Blade, so it's probably a little easier to get your hands on..........or you could try and get one of us huge Y&T fans to cut you a tape or a disc! Darn you read and type to fast for me Ted. When I first saw this post I was gonna shout out Y&T Live on Metal Blade. My first association with the band. Great album, has cuts from everywhere up through what most people belived to be the last album, Ten. Original poster, don't know how you feel about Live albums but this one is a killer. {Sidebar - Yo John Swartz this reminds me of a thread. Do you think Dave M would do a decent cover of Savatage's The Storm? Bud pointed that out and I investigated, sure 'nough it could work. You know both bands whadda ya think?} Anyway you should also pick up the Best of 81-85, its a pretty good setlist as far as comps go. Ted A>you'll be happy to hear that the word is ES will be released stateside in May! I like ES better than MI, but that's just my preference... I really can't stand Phil's voice......Dave's much better Final Y&T recommendation MI=Musically Incorrect ('95), ES Endangered Species ('98). These have been out in Europe for a while and are highly recommended. I haven't gotten ES yet but I believe Ted's assesment. I'll judge for myself when I can get ES but for now MI is easily the best Y&T ever. Don't go expecting Lipstick and Leather on this one, its way beyond that and has attitutde. I hear what your saying about Phil's voice which worries me a teeny bit about the Sav tape thats 95% done (heheheheh), but Nowhere Land would sound real good on the Brain Surgeons. Ghost in the Ruins From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon May 4 09:48:11 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 08:48:11 -0500 Subject: OFF: Offensive Tapes Message-ID: >Shhh.. you sensitive people are just being *too* damn cautios, *and* blabbing about your tapes - look, its a *surprise* thing, see, haha. So if some bastard ALSO happens to be too sensitive for your music, then - he/she has a VERY BIG PERSONAL PROBLEM! Chr. Oh Really? >I know a lot of people here have families, so... >Chuck/Charlie See there's a sensible question to ask. Now why would you assume that someone who dosen't care for explicit sexual references in their music has a personal; problem, hmmm? If your life revolves around this kind of stuff more power to you. Some of us do not appreciate or consume this kind of thing. Dosen't make us narrow minded or indicate a PERSONAL PROBLEM, simply a matter of taste. I don't want to flame or start a moral debate here but you shouldn't dismiss peoples tatses or lack thereof so quickly. I had decided not to do this project anyway, just don't have the time, but I am more convinced now that someone like you may make an otherwise fine tape and at the very end put something I (emphasis on "I") may find a little revolting. I like to share music with my older kids and I do care about what they see and hear. A surprise like this would surely send me down the wrong road, attitude wise. Make your tape any way you want, I'm safe becuase I'm not participating. But before you do just remember you have no idea who your tape is going to, and you have even less knowledge of what one may or may not find offensive. Also consider if you load up a tape full of this stuff from various sources it does say a lot about you. Ghost in the Ruins Yeah keep playing with fire super pants you don't know how much fire your playing with." - Evil Midnight Bomber From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon May 4 10:07:24 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 10:07:24 EDT Subject: OFF: Offensive Tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > . I > don't want to flame or start a moral debate here but you shouldn't > dismiss peoples tatses or lack thereof so quickly. > Unless, of course they happen to be fans of a certain high-voiced 'vocalist' who hails from a northern land... Hey Bevis Frond was amazing! Brian and Jason [sadly late of this list] were also on hand. Brian, you gonna post a review? theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon May 4 10:48:13 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 10:48:13 -0400 Subject: OFF: Y&T Question Message-ID: {Sidebar - Yo John Swartz this reminds me of a thread. Do you think Dave M would do a decent cover of Savatage's The Storm? Bud pointed that out and I investigated, sure 'nough it could work. You know both bands whadda ya think?} Maybe. >Don't go expecting Lipstick and Leather on this one, its way beyond that and has attitutde. Hey - that's one of my Y&T faves... :-) John From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon May 4 12:08:13 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 16:08:13 +0000 Subject: BOC: The Colour Out of Space appears to be ... Blue ... Message-ID: On m?n 4 maj 1998 09.03 -0400 "John A Swartz" wrote: > Your Master is a Monster . . . ;-) > Saw that part and just thought of some parts of Imaginos. > Thanks for sharing Carl! Ta :) It _was_ a huge rip-off, but it was fun :) Steal from the best! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon May 4 12:26:23 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 16:26:23 +0000 Subject: BOC: revamped set Message-ID: On s?n 3 maj 1998 21.41 -0400 "Albert T Bouchard" wrote: > Not to make excuses but most heavy rock records that came out of England at > that time sounded better than American ones. Why? Higher plate voltage > probably played a part and with a higher AC voltage the power was also more > stable. The first time we played in England with Marshalls we couldn't > believe how much better they sounded than when we used them in the States. Now that's something I never would have thought of--I've only played through a delapidated solid state Peavey bass amp here :) Hmmm. I'm trying to think of some US heavy rock albums from that era with a big fat sound .... er, anyone? > We were pretty disappointed in the sound of that first record, were more > satisfied with the second (it was scarry sounding, wasn't it?) and hated > the sound of Treaties. Once SP was made to give up control of the sound he > started to lose interest in the whole thing. Was he much involved with the sound on _Imaginos_? That sounds pretty good, though of course it was many years later ... _ST_ and the first album are definitely the worst offenders. The opening of "Stairway to the Stars" ought to just saw your head clean off, but doesn't come close. The dodgy sound on "D&S" from _ST_ severely reduces the impact of the track, and the version on _ETL_ wasn't any great shakes either. Best argument for a tBS version that there is :) T&M I haven't got with me to compare, but "7 Screaming Dizbusters" rules so mightily that I don't actually remember what the mix was like :) IMO, the sound generally improved pretty steadily from _AoF_ onwards, at least as far as _FoUO_. RbN might have had good sound-- "Take Me Away" is basically the only tune from it that I listen to and it sounds good, but the rest of it and _CN_ are so awful that I've never cared about the quality of their mix. That said, I heard a quick run-through of _HF_ last night and it sounded pretty good mix-wise, and was certainly an improvement on _CC_ which had OK dynamics but otherwise sounded rushed to my inexpert ears. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Mon May 4 11:36:06 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 11:36:06 -0400 Subject: OFF: Frond Review Message-ID: >Hey Bevis Frond was amazing! Brian and Jason [sadly late of this >list] were also on hand. Brian, you gonna post a review? OK. Here goes. Hungry Charlie's, or "Chucks" as the stumbling, underage University students like to call it, is a cozy, graffiti strewn pub with a stage that blends into its abused hardwood surroundings. The first band to play had no name, as they were just recently formed by Tim Harrington, former lead guitarist of Syracuse's almost-breakthrough early '90s band, Masters of Reality. Decent songwriting and otherworldly leads were slightly ruined by Harrington's irritating, and slightly flat, vocals. Once they decide on a name though... look out. I'll be keeping an eye on them in the future. The 2nd opening band was called Medicine Hat or something along those lines. They played unremarkable mellow grunge, but their guitars had just the right sparkle to their finish so the audience had something to look at inbetween checking their watches and wondering when BF would finally hit the stage. Coming in to this show I had limited exposure to BF, but thanks to Keith Henderson's Space Rock mix tape (I'm not going to start *another* tape project so don't even think about it.) I was expecting something along the lines of "Ride the Train of Thought"- Pop/Psych with some nice guitar work. Well, when the band kicked into a little improv number with no warning, I knew that the secret word of the night was going to be "GUITAR". Nick Salomon can play. Their 2nd number, Hole Song No.2, made the 90's Brit pop of Blur or Oasis sound hollow and pointless. Another highlight of the night was the intro to Stars Burn Out, where Ade Shaw stated that Ray Davies, Pete Townshend, and Paul McCartney can't write a decent song anymore. True, for sure, but not something you expect someone to say in front of a mostly classic rock crowd. Stoned Train Driver was another show stopper, highlighting Salomon's Hendrix-like axe-wailing. I've rarely seen anyone show as much emotion through their playing. The last number of the night featured Nick on a 3-stringed instrument that Jason said was used frequently as an instructonal tool. Whatever it was, it sounded like a mandolin plugged in to a supernova. The show ended on an ear-splitting screech, held out almost to the threshold of pain. Of course, pain is so close to pleasure. The Bevis Frond ROCKS. They do not SUCK. Brian obCD> The Bevis Frond "North Circular" much more mellow than the show, but many catchy tunes. And a bargain at only $15 for 27 songs... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3730 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mumford at ONLINE.NO Mon May 4 11:30:35 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (000xKO) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 17:30:35 +0200 Subject: Offensive Tapes Message-ID: BREVARD, Adrian R. sez: > > See there's a sensible question to ask. > > Now why would you assume that someone who dosen't care for explicit > sexual references in their music has a personal; problem, hmmm? If your > life revolves around this kind of stuff more power to you. Did I say I was going to make an offensive tape of explicit sexual material? Nope. Does my life revolve around such things? Nope. Can I make light of things? Yep. Is poor taste allowed? Well, at least it shouldn't be outlawed. In fact, having taped most of *my tape* it has no explicit words/etc. because my "highly ambitious" concept does not even allow it... so there, forced to blab about my tape when attacked by a seemingly bitter man pointing his finger left and right... :) > Some of us > do not appreciate or consume this kind of thing. Dosen't make us narrow > minded or indicate a PERSONAL PROBLEM, simply a matter of taste. I was just saying, if you are in the tape trade thing set up here, don't be surprised if some demented individual has created a highly concentrated dose of sickness & depravity in audio form to turn your bowels (could be considered a good thing you know). The very nature of this list dictates there to be high chances someone will make a tape for the non-Teletubbies crowd (and equally, vice-versa). So if you get a tape that says "Songs About Fucking" then don't play it for your kids - or yourself even. Right? Big deal. I > don't want to flame or start a moral debate here but you shouldn't > dismiss peoples tatses or lack thereof so quickly. I was not dismissing people - I was just saying I think people on this list are open minded and pretty tolerant. I was wrong. > I had decided not to do this project anyway, just don't have the time, > but I am more convinced now that someone like you may make an otherwise > fine tape and at the very end put something I (emphasis on "I") may > find a little revolting. Look man, whatever. "Someone like you" - what the f*ck are you saying here??? Whats with the personal shit. > I like to share music with my older kids and I > do care about what they see and hear. A surprise like this would surely > send me down the wrong road, attitude wise. Well, the project originally pitched was a free-for-all idea - tape what you think is cool/weird and share it. Hey, you don't have to share the music on your tape with your kids if its offensive, and whats great is that you can tape over anything you don't like and reuse the tape. Whatever - nothing to lose there. > Make your tape any way you want, I'm safe becuase I'm not participating. > But before you do just remember you have no idea who your tape is going > to, and you have even less knowledge of what one may or may not find > offensive. Also consider if you load up a tape full of this stuff from > various sources it does say a lot about you. Again, give me a goddamn break. I was defending someone's right to put together a "sick" tape. My tape has nothing to do with HIS tape. OK? In fact my tape is QUITE happy :) Maybe I should make you a copy, cheer you the f*ck up abit. Before you start telling me "what I am" because I say to someone "I don't care if your tape is offensive because I can put up with it and anyone should take things in the spirit it was intended and get the hell over it and not get too friggin tightassed about it". If nothing else its scared people with these sort of protectionist, censorship views that are keeping kids from hearing (good) new music. Chr. > Ghost in the Ruins > > Yeah keep playing with fire super pants you don't know how much fire > your playing with." - Evil Midnight Bomber From mpower at FCMC.COM Mon May 4 13:15:04 1998 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 13:15:04 -0400 Subject: The Color Out of Space etc. Message-ID: Mike Godwin graved in letters of blood upon the godless void: > The Color Out of Space etc. Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh! [Foams at mouth, babbles incoherently, flees scene] -- SpaceRock Central - Strange Daze 98 SpaceRock Festival - "SpaceRock is music, which, by design, expands AWARENESS, thru SPACE, MIND and TIME" Axiom I, the SpaceRock Manifesto From mpower at FCMC.COM Mon May 4 13:29:28 1998 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 13:29:28 -0400 Subject: The Colour out of Space etc. Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson scribed in letters of pale fire upon the ebon night: The Colour out of Space etc. Yaaaaarrrrrrrhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! [Whimpers like puppy, falls to floor, drags self from room] -- SpaceRock Central - Strange Daze 98 SpaceRock Festival - "SpaceRock is music, which, by design, expands AWARENESS, thru SPACE, MIND and TIME" Axiom I, the SpaceRock Manifesto From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon May 4 14:33:53 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 18:33:53 +0000 Subject: The Color Out of Space etc. Message-ID: On m?n 4 maj 1998 13.15 -0400 "Marc Power" wrote: > Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh! > [Foams at mouth, babbles incoherently, flees scene] Good idea! I'll add something like that to my take on the song concept :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From mumford at ONLINE.NO Mon May 4 15:42:27 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (000xKO) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 21:42:27 +0200 Subject: The Color Out of Space etc. Message-ID: > > On m?n 4 maj 1998 13.15 -0400 "Marc Power" wrote: > > Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh! > > [Foams at mouth, babbles incoherently, flees scene] What, no encore? Chr. From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon May 4 20:08:07 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 01:08:07 +0100 Subject: BOC: revamped set In-Reply-To: <529229.3103287983@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 16:26 04/05/98 +0000, you wrote: >On s?n 3 maj 1998 21.41 -0400 "Albert T Bouchard" wrote: >> Not to make excuses but most heavy rock records that came out of England at >> that time sounded better than American ones. Why? Higher plate voltage >> probably played a part and with a higher AC voltage the power was also more >> stable. The first time we played in England with Marshalls we couldn't >> believe how much better they sounded than when we used them in the States. > > Now that's something I never would have thought of--I've only >played through a delapidated solid state Peavey bass amp here :) > > Hmmm. I'm trying to think of some US heavy rock albums from that >era with a big fat sound .... er, anyone? > How about "Nantucket Sleighride" by Mountain or Maybe some of Steppenwolf's stuff. Just mentally trawling through my catalogue, I think it was a general problem, certainly the stuff of that period from the Dead, the Airplane, Moby Grape & even Quicksilver MS have a pretty thin sound, though The Doors and Steve Miller got some good weight to their sound. I'd investigate further if I had my vinyl here *sigh*. Cheers, ChrisW ObTape:"Ambush At Fort Bragg" by Tom Wolf (BBC Audio Book) "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue May 5 04:51:43 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:51:43 +0100 Subject: OFF: Offensive Tapes In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 04 May 1998 08:48:11 CDT." Message-ID: > Oh Really? > > >I know a lot of people here have families, so... > >Chuck/Charlie > > See there's a sensible question to ask. > > Now why would you assume that someone who dosen't care for explicit > sexual references in their music has a personal; problem, hmmm? Oh man, now I have to scan in a "Parental Advisory: Explicit Lyrics" image for my tape cover. Yes my tape has some _rude_ words on it. Listen with headphones if yer in company. Tim ObSingle: Madonna, _Ray of Light_ From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue May 5 01:21:23 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 05:21:23 +0000 Subject: OFF: Offensive Tapes Message-ID: I haven't decided yet if I'm in or out of this tape trade, but I probably wouldn't be interested if I knew that every tape was painstakingly censored of all content above PG-13. Not that I MUST have adult content in my music; but given the kind of stuff I'm sure we all listen to, an enjoyable 60 or 90 minute mix would almost inevitably contain at least SOME stuff we wouldn't necessarily want youngsters to hear. While I wouldn't appreciate receiving a mix of GG Allin's 'greatest hits' (oxymoron, anyone?), I ain't exactly holding my breath for John Denver, either. I'm a dad myself, and although my young one is only two years old, I know that no matter how cool I try to remain as a parent, someday I will have a problem with the stuff he's listening to. Hopefully, though, I won't be so old and out of touch that I can't remember back to my own teens, when my mother wretched at the cover of Born Again and winced every time I ran around the house singing "'666: The Number of the Beast!" or "Eat Me Alive!" And hopefully I will still be young-minded enough to remember what I so often said to her: "Aw, Mom...it's only rock and roll!" -- Nick From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Tue May 5 05:45:47 1998 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 10:45:47 +0100 Subject: HW: Tubby Tour '98 In-Reply-To: <01bd7758$a8f4e110$0100007f@cyrus> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 May 1998, Kevin Perry wrote: > I forwarded the Tubby Tour news to a friend who saw HW at Oxford on the DH > tour, and he reminded me that there was something that looked very much like > a Teletubby painted on one of the speaker cabs... Indeed, if you look at the 5th photo on this page here http://www.rdg.ac.uk/~keswrims/hat.htm then all (if not some) will be revealed Mike w From jean-charles.moriaud at DIGITAL.COM Tue May 5 06:14:12 1998 From: jean-charles.moriaud at DIGITAL.COM (Jean-Charles Moriaud) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 11:14:12 +0100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=D6C_in_Germany=3F?= Message-ID: Any information about the planned shows in Germany. I will not be able to attend the London show, and also Munich is closer to where I leave... Thanks and cheers, ___________________________________ Jean-Charles Moriaud - DIGITAL Tel:+41 22 709 4979 - Fax: +41 22 709 4140 Email: jean-charles.moriaud at digital.com X.400: c=ch;a=concert;p=digital;o=mail ___________________________________ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue May 5 07:28:54 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 11:28:54 +0000 Subject: BOC: revamped set Message-ID: On tis 5 maj 1998 01.08 +0100 "Chris Warburton" wrote: >> Hmmm. I'm trying to think of some US heavy rock albums from that >>era with a big fat sound .... er, anyone? >> > How about "Nantucket Sleighride" by Mountain or Maybe some of Steppenwolf's > stuff. > > Just mentally trawling through my catalogue, I think it was a general > problem, certainly the stuff of that period from the Dead, the Airplane, > Moby Grape & even Quicksilver MS have a pretty thin sound, though The Doors > and Steve Miller got some good weight to their sound. Well, the Airplane and the Doors weren't particularly heavy, and I don't have anything here to compare, though I recall the Doors usually seemed to have a fairly decent sound. The Dead's mix varied a bit :) but I've got _Live/Dead_ here with me and while not the Dead weren't a very heavy band either the sound on this album is surprisingly decent. [I saw the Dead shortly before Jerry died and they were _crap_, which is a shame since I saw them around 1990, one of the shows that went onto _Without a Net_, and that was really good. But that last time the PA was _awesome_. It was huge outdoor gig, but you could hear with fabulous crystal clarity exactly how lame they were :) ] CCR had pretty decent sounding records, I seem to recall. Now, Mountain: there's a band I have to get some albums from ... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue May 5 06:33:41 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 03:33:41 PDT Subject: BOC: The Colour Out of Space appears to be ... Blue ... Message-ID: > Clearly we've uncovered a deep well of public support for music >which involves "The Colour Out of Space" :) Here's my offering ... > Whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop!! Totally satisfying. I suggest you send the entire song to Monster Magnet. Carl you ARE a genius. If you join in this tape swap, you MUST include this number! Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue May 5 06:45:33 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 11:45:33 +0100 Subject: BOC: revamped set In-Reply-To: <128281.3103356534@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > > Now, Mountain: there's a band I have to get some albums from ... > > Cheers, > Carl > A mate of mine's into Mountain, which is a bit of a pain if you end up drinking whisky at his place, and he puts Nantucket bloody Sleighride on... "just to the end of this track!" You'll be interested to see Leslie West's Mountain at Dingwall's on Sun 17th then? Support from Del Bromham's Stray... (I'll give it a miss meself :) - Andy ObCD: Fille Qui Mousse - _Trixie Stapelton 291_ mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue May 5 07:57:50 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 11:57:50 +0000 Subject: BOC: The Colour Out of Space appears to be ... Blue ... Message-ID: On tis 5 maj 1998 03.33 +0000 "Horse Whisperer" wrote: > If you join in this tape swap, you MUST > include this number! Alas, I'm really too busy trying to catch up on tapes I owe people to end up owing any more! More significantly, however, my "COoS" song was the one completed song I had in '95 that wasn't recorded. Perhaps if Chris Bruce had ever showed up at the studio on time ... (and if that had happened, it would have been a sure sign of winter storm warnings in Hell ;) Someday, though, I'll record the bastard :) And mix the recordings that were made decently, and knock off a few others. My sister works in a little studio in NYC or Brooklyn or something, so maybe once I'm back in the States... Then I can self-release it on an album titled _Master of the Universe_ :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue May 5 07:01:13 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 04:01:13 PDT Subject: BOC: Old albums' production Message-ID: > The sound of the albums and their lyrics, >compliment each other in frightening fashion......it's what originally >attracted me and many others to the band. > >Jim > Jim speaks the truth. Well said sir. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue May 5 08:06:04 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 12:06:04 +0000 Subject: OFF: Mountain Message-ID: > You'll be interested to see Leslie West's Mountain at Dingwall's on Sun 17th > then? Support from Del Bromham's Stray... (I'll give it a miss meself :) Hmmm, it'd be tempting, just for the hell ot it, assuming I haven't managed to get my long-contemplated Scandinavian "summer tour" under weigh by then ... where the heck is Dingwall's? -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue May 5 07:05:37 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 04:05:37 PDT Subject: Swap Tape Question Message-ID: >or shall we return to what I thought was the original idea, a creation >filled with odd stuff that the recorder believe is forgotten treasures - a >tape that if it finds the right addresse will open up unknown doors in the >rock history? > > >help me find the path again. >tell me what you want, and I'll do it for you. >I may be bored beyond coma, but... > >best -joe > We must think we're a bunch of witty bas***ds on this list! Joe - you have the right of it, we're just attempting to smokescreen. Personal rare gems are the order of the day, and I know I am truly loving exploring my LP collection again. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue May 5 07:21:11 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 12:21:11 +0100 Subject: OFF: Mountain In-Reply-To: <262382.3103358764@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > > You'll be interested to see Leslie West's Mountain at Dingwall's on Sun > 17th > > then? Support from Del Bromham's Stray... (I'll give it a miss meself > :) > > Hmmm, it'd be tempting, just for the hell ot it, assuming I haven't > managed to get my long-contemplated Scandinavian "summer tour" under weigh > by then ... where the heck is Dingwall's? > Camden Lock, top of Camden High Street - 0171 267 1577 if you're serious! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Tue May 5 08:06:09 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 13:06:09 +0100 Subject: BOC: Old albums' production In-Reply-To: <19980505110113.11114.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: At the weekend I had HF and five other recent albums in a CD stacker, set to random play. Every time a HF track came on it was louder and at least as clear-sounding as any of the other albums. IN fact, it sounded damn good. Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "Experiments that failed HCI Design Centre too many times School of Informatics Transformations that were City University too hard to find" Northampton Square (Blue Oyster Cult) London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue May 5 08:15:49 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 13:15:49 +0100 Subject: OFF: Mountain In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Tue, 5 May 1998 12:21:11 +0100 Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > > by then ... where the heck is Dingwall's? > > > > Camden Lock, top of Camden High Street - 0171 267 1577 if you're serious! There's an excellent 2nd hand record shop up that way as well - Reckless Records - vinyl and rarities. jill obCD> Barbieri and Jansen "Stone into Flesh" ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue May 5 10:06:32 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:06:32 -0500 Subject: OFF: Offensive Tapes Message-ID: Dear Chr.: in response to what you said ">Shhh.. you sensitive people are just being *too* damn cautios, *and* blabbing about your tapes - look, its a *surprise* thing, see, haha. So if some bastard ALSO happens to be too sensitive for your music, then - he/she has a VERY BIG PERSONAL PROBLEM! Chr. To which I said> "Now why would you assume that someone who dosen't care for explicit sexual references in their music has a personal; problem, hmmm? If your life revolves around this kind of stuff more power to you" Thats all babe. So you find it humorous and someone else dosen't. Does that make you right and them wrong? Perhaps, just perhaps, two people don't share the same views/taste. Did this ever occur to you? Then you said>"Did I say I was going to make an offensive tape of explicit sexual material? Nope. Does my life revolve around such things? Nope. Can I make light of things? Yep. Is poor taste allowed? Well, at least it shouldn't be outlawed. Oh sorry there friend, guess you started taking all of this personally, becuase I used "you" as an example of putting together good stuff with a surpirse ending. Next time I'll use a more generic reference like "some person." >I was just saying, if you are in the tape trade thing set up here, don't be urprised if some demented individual has created a highly concentrated dose of sickness & depravity in audio form to turn your bowels (could be considered a good thing you know). The very nature of this list dictates there to be high chances someone will make a tape for the non-Teletubbies crowd (and equally, vice-versa). So if you get a tape that says "Songs About Fucking" then don't play it for your kids - or yourself even. Right? Big deal. No shit Sherlock but thats hardly the point. Is there a chance someone could get a tape like this? Sure, thats the nature of the project. Is someone likely to be offended by a tape like this? I would assume the chances there are 50/50. Could it be this is why the original poster asked the question instead of making an assumption? Wow there's a thought! Just wanted you to know that you don't have to have a "personal problem" if you didn't like it, there are other posibilities you know. >I was not dismissing people - I was just saying I think people on this list are open minded and pretty tolerant. I was wrong No you were not wrong about people on this list being open minded. I'm not questioning anyone's right to put material to tape or anyone's right to listen to it. >Look man, whatever. "Someone like you" - what the f*ck are you saying here??? Whats with the personal shit. Ah so you did take all of this personally. Well let me be first to apologize. I certainly did not intend to attack you, I have no idea who you are, what you do for a living, how you were raised or what your present condition is. The questions you responded to were valid questions, though your contribution somewhat flippant. There are other sides to this argument however; I simply stated one of them. Again if you feel this was a slap headed in your direction I'm truly very sorry. >Again, give me a goddamn break. I was defending someone's right to put together a "sick" tape. I'll join you in that battle, no problem with someones right to do this, not even yours. >If nothing else its scared people with these sort of protectionist, censorship views that are keeping kids from hearing (good) new music. Sigh, I'm not getting through to you am I? What does censoring kids ability to hear good music have to do with this Chr.? Are you a kid worried that you'd have to play such a tape with your headphones on for fear of your parents reactions? Can't help you there. Repeat with me now, "just because a person may not appreciate a tape if they find some or all of its contents offensive does not mean they have a big personal problem." Lets put an amiable end to this shall we? Let he who makes a tape make it; let he who would warn, warn; let those who choose not to warn, not warn. But whatever the case lets not allow common courtesy (original posters) and freedom of expression (you and I) to vanish from or be confused on this list. I can only judge by your response that you took this to be a slam of your character and personality, so again I apologize unconditionally for that. I just hope that you understand a bit better what I was getting at. Ghost in the Ruins From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Tue May 5 10:55:23 1998 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:55:23 -0500 Subject: OFF: Sweden request Message-ID: This is a request to any boc-l members in Sweden. I am going to be in Malmo next week and Stockholm the following weekend (the 16th and 17th) on a business trip. I am looking for recommendations for restaurants, and for bars were I can check out the local rock scene (especially in Stockholm). Can anyone send me a few pointers? Thanks in advance, Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 I got in a fight one time with a really big guy, and he said, "I'm going to mop the floor with your face." I said, "You'll be sorry." He said, "Oh, yeah? Why?" I said, "Well, you won't be able to get into the corners very well." -- Emo Phillips From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue May 5 07:28:37 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 11:28:37 +0000 Subject: OFF: Gettin' Nasty Message-ID: Where's the love, people?! Lots of snitty, snappy banter going on lately (And I've been involved in some of it...). Lately it just seems like people are uncharacteristically thin-skinned. In the words of Rodney King: ...Ah, forget it. -- Nick From stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM Tue May 5 12:24:32 1998 From: stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 12:24:32 -0400 Subject: HW: Tubby Tour '98 Message-ID: > > On Mon, 4 May 1998, Kevin Perry wrote: > > > I forwarded the Tubby Tour news to a friend who saw HW at Oxford on the DH > > tour, and he reminded me that there was something that looked very much like > > a Teletubby painted on one of the speaker cabs... > > Indeed, if you look at the 5th photo on this page here > > http://www.rdg.ac.uk/~keswrims/hat.htm > > then all (if not some) will be revealed > > Mike w Well I can't really figure out where teh teletubby is, but my god, pics of a bunch of our UK brethren. Been talking to some of these people for 7 years or so, and now I finally get to see what you all look like ! Thanks Mike ! Cheers, Steve L From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon May 4 22:33:15 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 19:33:15 -0700 Subject: Offensive Tapes Message-ID: Hear, hear. So, word of warning for whoever ends up with a PMRC stickered tape. Don't play it if easily offended, if a moral majority moron, if there are juveniles within hearing distance or if you can't take a joke. Zeit Who's listening to Big Black - Songs ABout Fucking. 000xKO wrote: > > BREVARD, Adrian R. sez: > > > > > See there's a sensible question to ask. > > > > Now why would you assume that someone who dosen't care for explicit > > sexual references in their music has a personal; problem, hmmm? If your > > life revolves around this kind of stuff more power to you. > > Did I say I was going to make an offensive tape of explicit sexual > material? Nope. Does my life revolve around such things? Nope. Can I make > light of things? Yep. Is poor taste allowed? Well, at least it shouldn't be > outlawed. > > In fact, having taped most of *my tape* it has no explicit words/etc. > because my "highly ambitious" concept does not even allow it... so there, > forced to blab about my tape when attacked by a seemingly bitter man > pointing his finger left and right... :) > > > Some of us > > do not appreciate or consume this kind of thing. Dosen't make us narrow > > minded or indicate a PERSONAL PROBLEM, simply a matter of taste. > > I was just saying, if you are in the tape trade thing set up here, don't be > surprised if some demented individual has created a highly concentrated > dose of sickness & depravity in audio form to turn your bowels (could be > considered a good thing you know). The very nature of this list dictates > there to be high chances someone will make a tape for the non-Teletubbies > crowd (and equally, vice-versa). So if you get a tape that says "Songs > About Fucking" then don't play it for your kids - or yourself even. Right? > Big deal. > > I > > don't want to flame or start a moral debate here but you shouldn't > > dismiss peoples tatses or lack thereof so quickly. > > I was not dismissing people - I was just saying I think people on this list > are open minded and pretty tolerant. I was wrong. > > > I had decided not to do this project anyway, just don't have the time, > > but I am more convinced now that someone like you may make an otherwise > > fine tape and at the very end put something I (emphasis on "I") may > > find a little revolting. > > Look man, whatever. "Someone like you" - what the f*ck are you saying > here??? Whats with the personal shit. > > > I like to share music with my older kids and I > > do care about what they see and hear. A surprise like this would surely > > send me down the wrong road, attitude wise. > > Well, the project originally pitched was a free-for-all idea - tape what > you think is cool/weird and share it. Hey, you don't have to share the > music on your tape with your kids if its offensive, and whats great is that > you can tape over anything you don't like and reuse the tape. Whatever - > nothing to lose there. > > > Make your tape any way you want, I'm safe becuase I'm not participating. > > But before you do just remember you have no idea who your tape is going > > to, and you have even less knowledge of what one may or may not find > > offensive. Also consider if you load up a tape full of this stuff from > > various sources it does say a lot about you. > > Again, give me a goddamn break. I was defending someone's right to put > together a "sick" tape. My tape has nothing to do with HIS tape. OK? In > fact my tape is QUITE happy :) > > Maybe I should make you a copy, cheer you the f*ck up abit. > > Before you start telling me "what I am" because I say to someone "I don't > care if your tape is offensive because I can put up with it and anyone > should take things in the spirit it was intended and get the hell over it > and not get too friggin tightassed about it". > > If nothing else its scared people with these sort of protectionist, > censorship views that are keeping kids from hearing (good) new music. > > Chr. > > > Ghost in the Ruins > > > > Yeah keep playing with fire super pants you don't know how much fire > > your playing with." - Evil Midnight Bomber -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Record Hunter http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/hunter.html RH e-mail: record.hunter at dial.pipex.com E-zine: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/ Personal e-mail: zeitgeist.scot at dial.pipex.com From a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK Tue May 5 12:49:56 1998 From: a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK (Alun Hughes) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 17:49:56 +0100 Subject: HW: Tubby Tour '98 Message-ID: Yes indeed, that looks suspiciously like a Teletubby Sponge. My children have one, though they have ripped its arms off by now. It features a removeable sponge insert in the centre of the chest. I won it at their school bingo (don't ask). Teletubbies say Gabba Gabba Hey! Alun >>> Stephen Lindsey 05/05/98 17:24 >>> > > On Mon, 4 May 1998, Kevin Perry wrote: > > > I forwarded the Tubby Tour news to a friend who saw HW at Oxford on the DH > > tour, and he reminded me that there was something that looked very much like > > a Teletubby painted on one of the speaker cabs... > > Indeed, if you look at the 5th photo on this page here > > http://www.rdg.ac.uk/~keswrims/hat.htm > > then all (if not some) will be revealed > > Mike w Well I can't really figure out where teh teletubby is, but my god, pics of a bunch of our UK brethren. Been talking to some of these people for 7 years or so, and now I finally get to see what you all look like ! Thanks Mike ! Cheers, Steve L From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Tue May 5 13:09:45 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 18:09:45 +0100 Subject: tBS: next album In-Reply-To: <199804301755.NAA19790@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, John A Swartz wrote: > >>As of now this title will start with a P but maybe we'll have subtitles for > >the different disks like "The Red" and "The Black" on T&M. 8-) > > Power Drill > Pituitary > Pill Box > Probable Title > Pita Pocket > Poughkeepsie Afternoon > > Anyone else want to take a shot? Well, sticking to a "brain" theme I cheated by looking in the Oxford Companion to the Mind, and came up with these, some of which I really like!: Phrenology Personality Disorder Paranoia Paralysis Paranormal Phenomena Psychokinesis Parietal Cortex Phobia Psychosis Psychosurgery But my personal fav is "Pepper's Ghost" -- this is an optical effect involving a mirror, and is used for producing stage ghosts. Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman HCI Design Centre School of Informatics City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue May 5 14:16:21 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 18:16:21 +0000 Subject: Offensive Tapes Message-ID: I'm offended by the offensive offence of offensiveness. Goldangit. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue May 5 14:30:57 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 18:30:57 +0000 Subject: tBS: next album Message-ID: On tis 5 maj 1998 18.09 +0100 "Hardman DK" wrote: > Well, sticking to a "brain" theme I cheated by looking in the Oxford > Companion to the Mind, and came up with these, some of which I really > like!: > > Phrenology ^^^^^^^^^^ That's a good one, actually :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue May 5 13:36:11 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 13:36:11 -0400 Subject: HW: Tubby Tour '98 Message-ID: Alun says... >Yes indeed, that looks suspiciously like a Teletubby Sponge. My children have one, >though they have ripped its arms off by now. It features a removeable sponge insert >in the centre of the chest. I won it at their school bingo (don't ask). I'm afraid I couldn't identify it as a Tubby sponge, since I've never held one in my hands. (They don't have Tubby merchandise in the stores here yet.) In the show, the sponges do not resemble the Tubbies themselves, but I now gather that these are 'Tubbies w/ sponges'. So who is it?? Dispy or Laa-Laa?? Looks yellowish to greenish. >Teletubbies say Gabba Gabba Hey! They do?? When?? When they wash, they say...Wash, Wash, Wash, Tubby, Tubby, Tubby, Tubby, Wash, Wash, Wash....rinse and repeat. Keith H. (FAA) ObTubbyReference: On Saturday Night Live (5/2/98 or 2.5.98), they did a skit showing a session in the House of Commons (?), in which Tony Blair was taking questions from various ministers (?), one of which was speaking utter nonsense, another something blatantly sexual in a deviant way, but then a third went on and on about how wonderful Teletubbies were, and asking Blair which was his favourite. The Speaker (who was very well portrayed) then tried to put a stop to it...'Order, please...There will be *no* more discussion about Teletubbies!' The entire skit, which I thought was very smartly done (and probably fairly accurate as well), got very little response from the audience, who likely had no clue as to what it all meant. ObHWReference: On David Letterman (5/4/98 or 4.5.98), Elle MacPhearson was on talking about her newborn son, Flynn, named after the well-known (?) Flynn the Flying Doctor. (Look out, you'd better duck!) Never knew there was such a thing, but of course, Bob Calvert would've known about them. Paul?? Anything to add?? P.S. Why is Andy G. trying to hide in that photo?? From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Tue May 5 13:54:34 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 18:54:34 +0100 Subject: HW: Tubby Tour '98 In-Reply-To: <199805051736.NAA08801@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 May 1998, Keith Henderson wrote: > ObHWReference: On David Letterman (5/4/98 or 4.5.98), Elle MacPhearson was > on talking about her newborn son, Flynn, named after the well-known (?) > Flynn the Flying Doctor. (Look out, you'd better duck!) Never knew there > was such a thing, but of course, Bob Calvert would've known about them. > Paul?? Anything to add?? I'm reminded of the old saying "In like Flynn", after the rather better-known over-sexed actor... :) Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman HCI Design Centre School of Informatics City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Tue May 5 14:32:20 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (SPRAWL) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 14:32:20 -0400 Subject: HW: Tubby Tour '98 Message-ID: Guess it all depends where yer from. around here, the saying is "in like flint" referring to things like primitive arrowheads, and the little shards of flint the flake off and bury themselves in your flesh. not trying to correct you, im sure what you're saying is accurate. just felt the need to post something, and didnt want to get sucked into any of the flame wars circulating lately. =) rj Hardman DK wrote: > > On Tue, 5 May 1998, Keith Henderson wrote: > > > ObHWReference: On David Letterman (5/4/98 or 4.5.98), Elle MacPhearson was > > on talking about her newborn son, Flynn, named after the well-known (?) > > Flynn the Flying Doctor. (Look out, you'd better duck!) Never knew there > > was such a thing, but of course, Bob Calvert would've known about them. > > Paul?? Anything to add?? > > I'm reminded of the old saying "In like Flynn", after the rather > better-known over-sexed actor... :) > > Dave > > ****************************************************************************** > > David Hardman > HCI Design Centre > School of Informatics > City University > Northampton Square > London EC1V 0HB > > Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 > Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 > E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk > ***************************************************************************** From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue May 5 15:25:55 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 20:25:55 +0100 Subject: tBS: next album In-Reply-To: <626451.3103381857@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 18:30 05/05/98 +0000, you wrote: >On tis 5 maj 1998 18.09 +0100 "Hardman DK" wrote: > >> Well, sticking to a "brain" theme I cheated by looking in the Oxford >> Companion to the Mind, and came up with these, some of which I really >> like!: >> >> Phrenology > ^^^^^^^^^^ > > That's a good one, actually :) > >-- >Carl Edlund Anderson >Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic >St. John's College, University of Cambridge >mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk >http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ > Especially since most of us on this list need our bumps read ;-{)> ChrisW NP:Ambient Anarchists/Hawkwind "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU Tue May 5 15:28:19 1998 From: fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU (William Fuller) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 11:28:19 -0800 Subject: BOC: Old albums' production In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 5 May 1998, Hardman DK wrote: > to random play. Every time a HF track came on it was louder and at least This is what I was saying a month or so ago. I think that HF was recorded at slightly higher rec level than most other CDs I own. I noticed the same trend with 1990s Black Sabbath CDs. -- William Fuller fswof at uaf.edu ICQ 1530842 http://members.tripod.com/~Zomb From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue May 5 16:03:35 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 21:03:35 +0100 Subject: HW: Tubby Tour '98 In-Reply-To: <199805051736.NAA08801@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: > > ObTubbyReference: On Saturday Night Live (5/2/98 or 2.5.98), they did a > skit showing a session in the House of Commons (?), in which Tony > Blair was President Blair in the House of Commons? Not likely! > > P.S. Why is Andy G. trying to hide in that photo?? > Chris W threw his arms wide in a curiously expansive gesture - look out, I thought, you better duck! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue May 5 16:57:57 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 16:57:57 -0400 Subject: HW: Tubby Tour '98 Message-ID: rj said... >Guess it all depends where yer from. around here, the saying is "in >like flint" referring to things like primitive arrowheads, and the >little shards of flint the flake off and bury themselves in your flesh. > >not trying to correct you, im sure what you're saying is accurate. >just felt the need to post something, and didnt want to get sucked into >any of the flame wars circulating lately. =) >rj Ummmm...that was a joke, wasn't it?? Sexual innuendo in a play on words, I gathered. BTW, Elle also mentioned Errol Flynn as a second reason for naming her son, now three months old. Mom looks to be doing well. ObRokyReference: I saw a repeat episode of X-Files the other day, where Mulder & Scully were reporting on various UFO encounters to a writer/journalist. One of the people who had supposedly been abducted was named Roky. Afterwards, he had written down everything he'd remembered about the encounter and gave it to the FBI. When they showed his 'manifesto' on camera, I swear the name given was 'Roky Erickson,' although when I checked the actual script (available on-line), it said 'Roky Crikenson,' which of course is (nearly) an anagram of 'Erickson.' Regardless, Chris Carter obviously was giving tribute to Roky, although I think that Roky didn't believe he was abducted by aliens, but rather *was* an alien himself. There was also a mention of a particular alien 'Lord Kinbote' and I wondered if that was an Erickson creation or from Carter himself. Anybody?? When are the teletubbies going to show up on X-Files??? And what sort of conspiracy would they be linked to....Hmmmm. (Maybe they're going to be in the movie.) Derek T. Heinsohn (FAA) P.S. I think the Ozrics are on tour somewhere in Europe (Germany, Holland?). Anybody catch any of the shows?? From talger at PIPELINE.COM Tue May 5 18:27:59 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 18:27:59 -0400 Subject: OFF: Y&T Question and....... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: AB sez >Darn you read and type to fast for me Ted. When I first saw this post I >was gonna shout out Y&T Live on Metal Blade. My first association with >the band. Great album, has cuts from everywhere up through what most >people belived to be the last album, Ten. Original poster, don't know >how you feel about Live albums but this one is a killer. > Hey Ghost....check out this posting to the FW ng from someone at Metal Blade records..... AUGUST 11th-POUND HOUND-"Massive grooves From The Electric Church" MERCYFUL FATE-"In The Shadows" (reissue) Y&T-"Yesterday And Today Live" (reissue) now, I don't have to tell you what this Pound Hound disc is, do I? Ted From mpower at FCMC.COM Tue May 5 20:13:51 1998 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 20:13:51 -0400 Subject: B0RN to G0 - NYC Gig Lion's Den - Special SpaceRock Free Offer Exclusive! Message-ID: Special Offer is here: Probably only useful for Tristate area residents. In Space we Trust, Marc. -- SpaceRock Central - Strange Daze 98 SpaceRock Festival - "SpaceRock is music, which, by design, expands AWARENESS, thru SPACE, MIND and TIME" Axiom I, the SpaceRock Manifesto From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Wed May 6 06:12:56 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 10:12:56 +0000 Subject: HW: Tubby Tour '98 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello Alun, >Teletubbies say Gabba Gabba Hey! I didn't know that Teletubbies liked the Ramones? Cheers Guy From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed May 6 08:31:43 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 07:31:43 -0500 Subject: OFF: Pound Hound Message-ID: in the hall of the mountain kiiiinggggggg.... ahhhhhh yeahhhhhh..... Ted>Hey Ghost....check out this posting to the FW ng from someone at Metal Blade records..... Hmmmm... whats up dude.... >AUGUST 11th-POUND HOUND-"Massive grooves From The >Electric Church" >now, I don't have to tell you what this Pound Hound disc is, do I? DOUG? SWEEEEETTTTTTT! Da master of bass tone. "By the way, at the House of Blues show on the Ear Candy Tour, Billy Sheehan was on the side of the stage shooting video of Doug and the guys--he later led the crowd in a chant of "Doug, Doug, Doug!!" and bowed down before him "we're not worthy" style. " From a friend and bass player who bows before the throne Summer is stacking up pretty good. Still a chance the new KX will also come out late summer. Have you heard that Ty is into another side project, Platypus with Derek Sherinian, John Myung and Rod Morgenstein, album due this summer. GC is due in the fall and Gary Hoey has another comming out. Ready to spend a few bucks I am. BTW there's a new KX list, tentatively called "Silent Wind" Run by the same gal who does the GC list. If interested e-mail Kirsten Denoyellis kirsten at pa.uky.edu Nice young lady, perhaps the biggest Dokken fan in the world. L8er Ghost in the Ruins In the Player (still stuck) Wake of Magellan, Savatage From talger at PIPELINE.COM Wed May 6 09:57:48 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 09:57:48 -0400 Subject: OFF: Pound Hound In-Reply-To: Message-ID: AB sez >Summer is stacking up pretty good. Still a chance the new KX will also >come out late summer. Have you heard that Ty is into another side >project, Platypus with Derek Sherinian, John Myung and Rod Morgenstein, >album due this summer. well....I wouldn't be too eager about the KX disc since they weren't even going to start writing until after Doug's disc was done.... but we can always keep our fingers crossed.... and actually, the Platypus disc is out on the 25th in Europe.... (maybe we can talk Danny M into picking up a copy when the boys do Europe in June.....) already heard one track....it's cool.... maybe I'll put it on that CD for you I was talking about no telling when it'll be released here....and who am I kidding? I never even got the Dream Castle disc that Ty was on or the 2 Guitar Zeus discs either..... so much music, so little time... (and money) Ted From talger at PIPELINE.COM Wed May 6 10:01:33 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 10:01:33 -0400 Subject: OFF: Pound Hound In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ghost.... oh hey, I forgot to mention.... you DO know that Ty and Jerry hang out at the KX ng now don't you? also, Doug is going to be going over to Jerry's to take some email questions and post to the ng.... Ted From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Wed May 6 07:26:37 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:26:37 +0000 Subject: tBS and DMB Message-ID: During a recent mini-debate over BOC's Real World, I kind of dissed the Dave Matthews Band. But recently, while listening to his latest single, 'Don't Drink the Water', it occurred to me that this would be a really kick-ass cover for tBS...especially with Deb growling out that Alanis Morisette part at the end. Plus, I bet Al could muster up 10 times the menace that DM does! -- Nick From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed May 6 11:49:06 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:49:06 EDT Subject: No Godzilla in Godzilla! In-Reply-To: <19980506152157.AAA13013@[208.214.94.94]> Message-ID: I have it on good authority that the BOC song is not going to be part of the big green guy's flick this summer. But have no fear, there will be plenty of techno garbage and alterna-grunge on the soundtrack. What the fuck is wrong with the world? heavily bumming... theo _______ ...'Cause it makes me mad, and I get evil as a man can be." _______ A. King From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed May 6 11:49:21 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (000xKO) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 17:49:21 +0200 Subject: No Godzilla in Godzilla! Message-ID: No shit, we get treated to Jamiroqai instead! Chr. > I have it on good authority that the BOC song is not going to be > part of the big green guy's flick this summer. But have no fear, > there will be plenty of techno garbage and alterna-grunge on the > soundtrack. What the fuck is wrong with the world? > > heavily bumming... > theo > _______ > ...'Cause it makes me mad, > and I get evil as a man can be." > _______ > A. King "Welcome to Crazyville!" - H. Leroy Newton From dahl at AROS.NET Wed May 6 12:12:59 1998 From: dahl at AROS.NET (dahl) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 10:12:59 -0600 Subject: Belgium waffles Message-ID: Is there anybody on the list in Belgium? I'm planning to come there in June and am looking for some travel tips. Thanks, Brad Dahl "The party starts now!" Lawrence of Cobble Creek http://www.moosenet.com/poison.html From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed May 6 13:36:14 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 17:36:14 +0000 Subject: No Godzilla in Godzilla! Message-ID: On ons 6 maj 1998 11.49 +0000 "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" wrote: > What the fuck is wrong with the world? Marketing (or lack thereof). ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed May 6 12:55:55 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 09:55:55 PDT Subject: No Godzilla in Godzilla! Message-ID: >On ons 6 maj 1998 11.49 +0000 "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" > wrote: >> What the fuck is wrong with the world? Carl E Anderson replied > > Marketing (or lack thereof). > >;) Nah, it's enforced stereotyping as children, and the desire to wear too much makeup. Chris HW. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM Wed May 6 12:58:41 1998 From: johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 18:58:41 +0200 Subject: BOC: revamped set Message-ID: At 11:28 1998-05-05 +0000, you wrote: >On tis 5 maj 1998 01.08 +0100 "Chris Warburton" >wrote: >>> Hmmm. I'm trying to think of some US heavy rock albums from that >>>era with a big fat sound .... er, anyone? >>> >> How about "Nantucket Sleighride" by Mountain or Maybe some of >Steppenwolf's >> stuff. Grand Funk Railroad "Closer to Home", "E Pluribus Funk", "Grand Funk" Sir Lord Baltimore "Kingdom Come", "s/t" Dust "Hard Attack", "s/t" -joe From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Wed May 6 14:28:03 1998 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 04:28:03 +1000 Subject: No Godzilla in Godzilla! Message-ID: At 11:49 6/05/98 EDT, Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: >I have it on good authority that the BOC song is not going to be >part of the big green guy's flick this summer. But have no fear, >there will be plenty of techno garbage and alterna-grunge on the >soundtrack. What the fuck is wrong with the world? > SIN! HERESY! the producers must REPENT in sackcloth and ashes..... the world has gone to the dickheads... Troy =========================================== Troy Harris fiskare at webconcept.com.au From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed May 6 14:30:37 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 19:30:37 +0100 Subject: No Godzilla in Godzilla! In-Reply-To: <3FAE886D04@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: > I have it on good authority that the BOC song is not going to be > part of the big green guy's flick this summer. But have no fear, > there will be plenty of techno garbage and alterna-grunge on the > soundtrack. What the fuck is wrong with the world? Well, it's directed by Roland Emmerich, who brought us _Stargate_ and _Independence Day_, so we can expect it to look great, but to be, in actuality, vacuous bullshit. This may not however answer your question! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed May 6 14:51:30 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 19:51:30 +0100 Subject: No Godzilla in Godzilla! In-Reply-To: <3FAE886D04@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: I found the following on CD Universe's site: ---- Album Notes: Performers include: The Wallflowers, Puff Daddy, Jimmy Page, Jamiroquai, Rage Against The Machine, Michael Penn, Days Of The New, Ben Folds Five, Fuel, Foo Fighters, Green Day, Silverchair, Fuzz Bubble, Joey DeLuxe. Original score by David Arnold. Contains 13 tracks. Let's get one important fact out of the way at the beginning. No, the Blue Oyster Cult song isn't on here. If you don't know what that means, it won't matter anyway, and we can continue. What you do get is what amounts to a rock and roll collection of oddities. Roots-rock heroes the Wallflowers cover "Heroes" by David Bowie, possibly the least rootsy rock performer ever to grace the planet. Led Zeppelin's "Kashmir," one of the sacred texts of the denim-jacketed goon squads who went around chanting "disco sucks" in the '70s, is source material for "Come With Me" featuring the studio talents of (who else?) Puffy Combs. Ben Folds Five contribute a song called "Air," and we can't help but think that the surreal quality of this neo-moster flick soundtrack would be made complete by the inclusion of a song by French duo Air called "Ben Folds Five." ---- Their reviewer seems to have the right attitude! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Wed May 6 15:04:11 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 15:04:11 -0400 Subject: BOC: No Godzilla in Godzilla! Message-ID: > > I have it on good authority that the BOC song is not going to be > > part of the big green guy's flick this summer. But have no fear, > > there will be plenty of techno garbage and alterna-grunge on the > > soundtrack. What the fuck is wrong with the world? > Lets all go to the movie theater, park our cars near the exits, and blast Godzilla over and over on our car stereos until asked politely to leave by local law enforcement. Maybe I'll have a tailgate party in the parking lot, with Grilled Lizard (hamburgers), Fried Helpless Citizens (french fries), and The Depths From Which The Beast Rose (beer). And the song. Got to have the song... ;-) Brian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2426 bytes Desc: not available URL: From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed May 6 15:14:18 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 15:14:18 -0400 Subject: No Godzilla in Godzilla! In-Reply-To: <000101bd791f$fb947700$983f63c3@default> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 May 1998, Andy Gilham wrote: > I found the following on CD Universe's site: > > ---- > Album Notes: > Performers include: The Wallflowers, Puff Daddy, Jimmy Page, Jamiroquai, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ If it means anything, "Puff Daddy with Jimmy Page" were touted as next week's musical guests on Saturday Night Live. Maybe they'll be playing their _Godzilla_ offering? Btw, I caught a very brief trailer for the film on TV. Alas, Godzilla looked far too realistic (and not nearly enough like some guy in a cheesy rubber monster suit), which detracts enormously from the overall enjoyment of the film, I'm afraid. Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, _New River Head_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed May 6 15:28:25 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 20:28:25 +0100 Subject: Belgium waffles In-Reply-To: <199805061611.KAA25783@mars.aros.net> Message-ID: At 10:12 06/05/98 -0600, you wrote: >Is there anybody on the list in Belgium? I'm planning to come there in >June and am looking for some travel tips. > >Thanks, > >Brad Dahl > >"The party starts now!" Lawrence of Cobble Creek >http://www.moosenet.com/poison.html > > I used to live there (5 years) until a couple of years ago...wadda ya wanna know???? I'll help if I can... ChrisW NP: That'd be telling: I'm making a tape... "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed May 6 19:34:07 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 00:34:07 +0100 Subject: BOC: revamped set In-Reply-To: <128281.3103356534@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 11:28 05/05/98 +0000, you wrote: >On tis 5 maj 1998 01.08 +0100 "Chris Warburton" >wrote: >>> Hmmm. I'm trying to think of some US heavy rock albums from that >>>era with a big fat sound .... er, anyone? >>> >> How about "Nantucket Sleighride" by Mountain or Maybe some of >Steppenwolf's >> stuff. >> >> Just mentally trawling through my catalogue, I think it was a general >> problem, certainly the stuff of that period from the Dead, the Airplane, >> Moby Grape & even Quicksilver MS have a pretty thin sound, though The >Doors >> and Steve Miller got some good weight to their sound. > > Well, the Airplane and the Doors weren't particularly heavy, and I >don't have anything here to compare, though I recall the Doors usually >seemed to have a fairly decent sound. The Dead's mix varied a bit :) but >I've got _Live/Dead_ here with me and while not the Dead weren't a very >heavy band either the sound on this album is surprisingly decent. I wasn't thinking particularly of "heavy"ness, just in terms of sound, and I don't necessarily have a problem with the sound of those Dead albums now, but I think that it might have been part of the reason why I wasn't originally very keen on them at the time (the country tinges didn't help at the time either - but I have better taste now *g*). Of courseit could be that the Brits kicked arse more in those days ;-{P> (donning flame-proof underwear) > > [I saw the Dead shortly before Jerry died and they were _crap_, which >is a shame since I saw them around 1990, one of the shows that went onto >_Without a Net_, and that was really good. But that last time the PA was >_awesome_. It was huge outdoor gig, but you could hear with fabulous >crystal clarity exactly how lame they were :) ] I only got to see them once: the last time at Wembley Arena, and even their PA couldn't fix the acoustics of THAT overgrown cow-shed...but I still enjoyed the show! > > CCR had pretty decent sounding records, I seem to recall. > > Now, Mountain: there's a band I have to get some albums from ... > >Cheers, >Carl I just have "Twin Peaks" - two whole sides of Nantucket Sleighride - heaven for fans, but hell for the rest I guess...There is a pretty good double CD comp. around the shops at the momoent. ChrisW "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed May 6 10:34:53 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 15:34:53 +0100 Subject: HW: Tubby Tour '98 In-Reply-To: <4356121006051998/A01803/LNMV02/11C5328C3700*@MHS> Message-ID: In article <4356121006051998/A01803/LNMV02/11C5328C3700*@MHS>, LN1GJT writes >Hello Alun, > >>Teletubbies say Gabba Gabba Hey! > >I didn't know that Teletubbies liked the Ramones? > >Cheers > >Guy *everyone* likes The Ramones! -- Jon From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu May 7 01:04:46 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 05:04:46 +0000 Subject: BOC: revamped set Message-ID: > I just have "Twin Peaks" - two whole sides of Nantucket Sleighride - heaven > for fans, but hell for the rest I guess...There is a pretty good double CD > comp. around the shops at the momoent. > > ChrisW The double CD, 'Over the Top' is great for fans and non-fans alike. I'd also recommend the recent 'Man's World', an all-new Mountain album featuring Leslie West and one of the other original members. Came out a couple years ago...very good. -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu May 7 01:07:50 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 05:07:50 +0000 Subject: No Godzilla in Godzilla! Message-ID: > Btw, I caught a very brief trailer for the film on TV. Alas, Godzilla > looked far too realistic (and not nearly enough like some guy in a > cheesy rubber monster suit), which detracts enormously from the > overall enjoyment of the film, I'm afraid. I agree. The overall feel I get from the trailer is that this flick will basically be 'Steven Spielberg's Godzilla'. While we're on the subject, does anybody know if all the recent Japanese Godzilla flicks will ever be officially released here in the U.S.? -- Nick From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu May 7 05:58:23 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (David Hardman) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 10:58:23 +0100 Subject: No Godzilla in Godzilla! In-Reply-To: <3FAE886D04@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 May 1998, Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: > I have it on good authority that the BOC song is not going to be > part of the big green guy's flick this summer. But have no fear, > there will be plenty of techno garbage and alterna-grunge on the > soundtrack. What the fuck is wrong with the world? Sony & BOC should get together to re-release Godzilla as a single with loads of marketing behind it!! Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman HCI Design Centre School of Informatics City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu May 7 05:59:41 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 10:59:41 +0100 Subject: No Godzilla in Godzilla! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Sony & BOC should get together to re-release Godzilla as a single with > loads of marketing behind it!! Remixed by Puff Daddy!! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu May 7 06:13:01 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 12:13:01 +0200 Subject: No Godzilla in Godzilla! Message-ID: > Sony & BOC should get together to re-release Godzilla as a single with > loads of marketing behind it!! > > Dave > That's actually a damn good idea. I'm not usually "approving" of blatant cash-ins, but in this case, it the right thing to do! I feel terribly sorry for this generation of kids who will grow up saying "all those old Godzilla movies suck, they aren't the real ones!" and associate the dancey music of Jamiroquai and Puff Daddy with the big green guy. Chr. "Welcome to Crazyville!" - H. Leroy Newton From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu May 7 06:20:00 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 11:20:00 +0100 Subject: No Godzilla in Godzilla! In-Reply-To: <199805071017.MAA24193@online.no> Message-ID: > I feel terribly sorry for this generation of kids who will grow up saying > "all those old Godzilla movies suck, they aren't the real ones!" and > associate the dancey music of Jamiroquai and Puff Daddy with the > big green > guy. > Just 'cause you're one of that generation that says, "all those old Flash Gordon movies suck, they aren't the real ones!" and associate the pompous music of Queen with the all-American hero! :)) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu May 7 07:28:28 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 11:28:28 +0000 Subject: No Godzilla in Godzilla! Message-ID: On ons 6 maj 1998 19.30 +0100 "Andy Gilham" wrote: > so we can expect it to look great, but to be, in > actuality, vacuous bullshit. Well, I ask no more from a movie :) And I would have been stunned if BOC's _Godzilla_ had been in it anyway. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu May 7 07:32:03 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 11:32:03 +0000 Subject: BOC: No Godzilla in Godzilla! Message-ID: --On ons 6 maj 1998 15.04 -0400 "brian halligan" wrote: > Maybe I'll have a tailgate party in the parking > lot, with Grilled Lizard (hamburgers), "Tastes like chicken ..." > and The > Depths From Which The Beast Rose (beer). The Depths from which the Yeast Rose? :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu May 7 07:37:34 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 11:37:34 +0000 Subject: BOC: revamped set Message-ID: On tor 7 maj 1998 00.34 +0100 "Chris Warburton" wrote: > I just have "Twin Peaks" - two whole sides of Nantucket Sleighride - heaven > for fans, but hell for the rest I guess...There is a pretty good double CD > comp. around the shops at the momoent. Yeah, I saw that, but I also saw at least one CD with Castle's "remastered" sticker on it, so I reckoned I would hold out and get some remastered stuff. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu May 7 07:16:50 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 07:16:50 EDT Subject: No Godzilla in Godzilla! In-Reply-To: <19980507090237.AAA6050@[208.214.94.88]> Message-ID: > From: Nick English >> > I agree. The overall feel I get from the trailer is that this flick > will basically be 'Steven Spielberg's Godzilla'. > While we're on the subject, does anybody know if all the recent > Japanese Godzilla flicks will ever be officially released here in the > U.S.? > > -- Nick Well, given the success of Stargate and esp. Independence Day, I don't think Emmerich needs to ride anyone's coattails. And Spielberg's track record lately hasn't been all that impressive anyway... theo ________________________________ ...'Cause it makes me mad, and I get evil as a man can be." --A.K. _______________________________ From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu May 7 07:13:31 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 13:13:31 +0200 Subject: No Godzilla in Godzilla! Message-ID: > > I feel terribly sorry for this generation of kids who will grow up saying > > "all those old Godzilla movies suck, they aren't the real ones!" and > > associate the dancey music of Jamiroquai and Puff Daddy with the > > big green > > guy. > > > > Just 'cause you're one of that generation that says, "all those old Flash > Gordon movies suck, they aren't the real ones!" and associate the pompous > music of Queen with the all-American hero! > > :)) > > - Andy > Hey! Alright, this is getting PERSONAL man! REALLY REALLY BITTER AND PERSONAL! :)) I associate Flash Gordon with creator Alex Raymond, probably because those comics were in fact quite an impression on me as a kid. Ditto for the B&W Buster Crabbe serials on daytime TV! But, as I admit liking the 1980 flick and score, I cannot help associate Queen with it, can I?? Remember, I was ONLY 8! "tsk tsk, poor child, ruined for life!" And I associate Godzilla with post WWII trauma, though if I were to pick a soundtrack it would be BOC. Its only logical innit? Chr. "Welcome to Crazyville!" - H. Leroy Newton From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu May 7 07:15:59 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 13:15:59 +0200 Subject: BOC: No Godzilla in Godzilla! Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > > The Depths from which the Yeast Rose? > That mindless ruler from the chaotic center of all cosmos: C'andidtha! Chr. "Welcome to Crazyville!" - H. Leroy Newton From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu May 7 08:09:17 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 13:09:17 +0100 Subject: No Godzilla in Godzilla! In-Reply-To: <199805071120.NAA14833@online.no> Message-ID: > Hey! Alright, this is getting PERSONAL man! REALLY REALLY BITTER AND > PERSONAL! :)) Tee hee! Sorry, couldn't resist :)) > And I associate Godzilla with post WWII trauma, though if I were to pick a > soundtrack it would be BOC. Its only logical innit? Especially after their sterling work on _Bad Channels_... I'd probably go for a traditional orchestral score, but I'd give serious consideration to playing the BOC song over the end credits. But maybe in a new version (e.g. remixed by Puff Daddy :)) because frankly it's a bit '70s. But in this day and age the soundtrack album is always a lucrative spin-off, and _Titanic_ notwithstanding, that means a spectrum of currently-fashionable acts. That's just the way it is. I'm totally not surprised. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From chip at PCC.COM Thu May 7 09:20:21 1998 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 09:20:21 -0400 Subject: No Godzilla in Godzilla! In-Reply-To: <19980507090237.AAA6050@[208.214.94.88]> from "Nick English" at May 7, 98 05:07:50 am Message-ID: > > Btw, I caught a very brief trailer for the film on TV. Alas, Godzilla > > looked far too realistic (and not nearly enough like some guy in a > > cheesy rubber monster suit), which detracts enormously from the > > overall enjoyment of the film, I'm afraid. I believe that there are significant rights issues at hand. For example, the studio had to fight considerably, apparently, to be allowed to use the original Godzilla roar. Up until recently, it was feared that they were going to have to use a modified sound (the horrors). For those of us who have followed the continued success of Toho Ltd., this movie will either be great or horrible, there's no middle ground. There have been a number of Godzilla movies over the last decade or so - not counting, cough cough, Godzilla '85 or whatever it was called - most of which have been excellent. In particular, there have been some new Gamera movies (yes, the flying turtle) that were *excellent*. There's one out that you can find in most rental stores...if you like the old Godzilla movies and want an idea of what the new on will be like, with good effects and all, check it out. It had been 20 years since I'd felt like that... -- Chip Hart * chip @ pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8214 From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu May 7 06:58:37 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 10:58:37 +0000 Subject: No Godzilla in Godzilla! Message-ID: > Well, given the success of Stargate and esp. Independence Day, I > don't think Emmerich needs to ride anyone's coattails. And > Spielberg's track record lately hasn't been all that impressive > anyway... > > > theo To clarify my point, I wasn't saying Emmerich needed to copy Spielberg, just that this flick looks like it will have a 'Jurassic Park' kinda feel. Realistic, detailed computer-generated T-Rex-type creature and all. BTW, if you ever again hear me use the phrase "'Jurassic Park' kinda feel", know in advance that I don't mean it as a compliment. I think computer animation is incredibly cool, and the technology is mind-blowing. But I have yet to see a computer-generated beastie that looked natural or believable in a live-action movie. There's something about the blend...they just don't look like they're THERE. I've seen a bunch...Anaconda, JP, MIB, Starship Troopers, Dragonheart... But for my entertainment dollar, Brucie the Shark is still more frightening than all of them put together (Of course, Jaws was a much better movie than all of them put together, too). Even though he looks pretty rubbery, it's more engrossing to me when I can tell that Quint was really in the shark's mouth, and not placed there by some dude at a keyboard. As far as the song in the new movie goes, I never expected BOC to be included in the soundtrack, but I thought a remake by a younger band would play through the end credits, a-la Reaper in a couple recent horror flicks. Maybe this is a silly thing to assume, but the fact that the producers of this flick either didn't even know about the song or just blatantly chose to give it no attention sort of warns me that they're more interested in the current hot trends in film than in the history or nostalgia of Godzilla. Sadly, I suspect this movie isn't really for true Godzilla fans. -- Nick From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu May 7 12:15:40 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 18:15:40 +0200 Subject: No Godzilla in Godzilla! Message-ID: > > And I associate Godzilla with post WWII trauma, though if I were to pick a > > soundtrack it would be BOC. Its only logical innit? > > Especially after their sterling work on _Bad Channels_... Haven't heard that - what I did mean is that BOC, like many bands of the era, were post-war baby boomers and dealt with alot of the WWII imagery/themes in one way or other, in context with the alienation from their parent's 1950s culture of bizarre WWII paranoia/denial. be it the whole mock-nazi imagery schtick of Heavy Metal, or the complete separation from old values of psychedelic culture and so on. Godzilla was/remains of course a significant symbol of nuclear horror and the primal element of mindless destruction in its purest form. > I'd probably go > for a traditional orchestral score, but I'd give serious consideration to > playing the BOC song over the end credits. But maybe in a new version (e.g. > remixed by Puff Daddy :)) because frankly it's a bit '70s. HELL NO! When I was a kid, I remember being blown away with Godzilla duking it out with Mechagodzilla (the 1978 flick I believe) and that awesome, repetitive "Dada-da, dada-da, dadadada-dadada!" metallic riff accompanying the massive slugfest! In fact, thinking back it was reminicent Hawkwind's "Master Of The Universe"... That riff would be PERFECT for Godzilla as well. Same goes for BOC's basic sludge riff on their "Godzilla"... In fact, in retrospect, Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla was a significant point in my life, as far as the appeal of music other than happy kiddie records... :-) I mean, the terms "dino-metal" or "sludge-rock" apply 100% here, and instead of fuckin Puff Daddy and dancey muzak in general, which is soooo far off the mark.... argh! If the people involved in this production had half a braincell and no computers (good criterias in the case of monster flicks), a soundtrack with Monster Magnet, Melvins, Fu Manchu, Gwar, or whomever (even BOC/HW) in that dept., would improve the flick's appeal infinetly. I am saying this without having seen it because I already *know*!!!!! :) Hell, Chemical Brothers or any good techno acts could do something kick ass for this. These people in Hollywood don't know what the hell they are doing AT ALL. > But in this day and age the soundtrack album is always a lucrative spin-off, > and _Titanic_ notwithstanding, that means a spectrum of > currently-fashionable acts. That's just the way it is. I'm totally not > surprised. Very true, and its really sad. Especially when it says "music from and inspired by the film". "Inspired" my ass! That was an old tape they had laying around and rewrote the lyrics for (maybe) and slapped it on there. A really gross trend. I'll say this tho, as far as even "concept" soundtracks go, the Judgement Night soundtrack was really cool way back when, but hey... it works only once, you Hollywood FUCKING MORONS. They will NEVER learn. getting veeewy intellectual about Godzilla, Chr. > - Andy > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham "Welcome to Crazyville!" - H. Leroy Newton From eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK Thu May 7 20:29:31 1998 From: eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK (eldritch) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 17:29:31 -0700 Subject: OFF: PARIS! Message-ID: > Ahhhhhhh Paris in the spring! Anyone know any cool places to go in Paris? I've just finished sortin my trip to see GONG out, so I'll be in Paris for 4 nights.. My Itinary(hmm--it ain't spelt like that) so far is. The GONG gig. Jim Morrisons grave, and probably about every record shop in Paris :-) Any suggestions? eldritch ObCd: Magick Brothers Live at the Witchwood 1991 From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu May 7 13:24:25 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 13:24:25 EDT Subject: No Godzilla in Godzilla! In-Reply-To: <199805071621.SAA12900@online.no> Message-ID: >> From: Christian000Mumford > > Especially after their sterling work on _Bad Channels_... > > Haven't heard that - what I did mean is that BOC, like many bands of the > era, were post-war baby boomers and dealt with alot of the WWII > imagery/themes in one way or other, in context with the alienation from > their parent's 1950s culture of bizarre WWII paranoia/denial. be it the > whole mock-nazi imagery schtick of Heavy Metal, or the complete separation > from old values of psychedelic culture and so on. Godzilla was/remains of > course a significant symbol of nuclear horror and the primal element of > mindless destruction in its purest form. > With a [un] healthy dose of cold war paranoia thrown into the mix... > > I'll say this tho, as far as even "concept" soundtracks go, the Judgement > Night soundtrack was really cool way back when, but hey... it works only > once, you Hollywood FUCKING MORONS. They will NEVER learn. > > Right! They always somehow think lightning will strike twice, but it never does! Tastes have already changed by the time the sequel/spin-off/follow-up/copycat has been scripted... theo ________________________________ ...'Cause it makes me mad, and I get evil as a man can be." --A.K. _______________________________ From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Thu May 7 13:26:19 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 18:26:19 +0100 Subject: Off: Mountain (was BOC: revamped set) In-Reply-To: <19980507085933.AAA20112@[208.214.94.88]> Message-ID: Nick wrote: > >The double CD, 'Over the Top' is great for fans and non-fans alike. >I'd also recommend the recent 'Man's World', an all-new Mountain >album featuring Leslie West and one of the other original members. >Came out a couple years ago...very good. > >-- Nick I'd been "umming" & "erring" about 'Over The Top' - I'll take that as a positive recommendation: I guess it's joined my shopping list! I hadn't heard of 'Man's World', but I'll be looking out for it now. Cheers, ChrisW ObTV: Star Trek: Voyager "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu May 7 14:00:09 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 19:00:09 +0100 Subject: PARIS! In-Reply-To: <355251EA.DB72565F@ndirect.co.uk> Message-ID: > My Itinary(hmm--it ain't spelt like that) so far is. The GONG gig. Jim > Morrisons grave, and probably about every record shop in Paris :-) Any > suggestions? Jim Morrision's grave is, well, just that. Hardly worth the metro fare I thought, but you can drop in on other dead dudes like Oscar Wilde on the same trip... the record shops are _vachement_ expensive, but I can't say I'm an expert (Virgin on the Champs Elysees doesn't qualify me as an expert :). - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu May 7 14:00:11 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 19:00:11 +0100 Subject: No Godzilla in Godzilla! In-Reply-To: <199805071621.SAA12900@online.no> Message-ID: Look, it's already the biggest hit of the summer and it's not even out yet. I contend they know *exactly* what they're doing. It's not about art, or even entertainment, really, and it's *certainly* not about pleasing "true Godzilla fans". It's about "bums on seats", and spin-off merchandise. As they're saying, in that crass slogan, "size does matter". - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu May 7 14:03:32 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 14:03:32 EDT Subject: Off: Mountain (no BOC/HW) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980507182619.007af5f0@mail.clara.net> Message-ID: > From: Chris Warburton > > I'd been "umming" & "erring" about 'Over The Top' - I'll take that as a > positive recommendation: I guess it's joined my shopping list! I hadn't > heard of 'Man's World', but I'll be looking out for it now. > > Cheers, > ChrisW > Chris, Over the Top is a pretty good comp. indeed. I was a huge Mountain fan as a kid, though I hadn't listened to them in ages before I got this one. There's a great version of Stormy Monday from, I believe, the Atlanta Pop Festival that lasts about 20 mins. If you like mountain, you can't go wrong with this one... theo ________________________________ ...'Cause it makes me mad, and I get evil as a man can be." --A.K. _______________________________ From eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK Thu May 7 22:11:18 1998 From: eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK (eldritch) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 19:11:18 -0700 Subject: Off: Mountain (no BOC/HW) Message-ID: ;-) Mountain The version of Nantucket sleighride on 'Twin Peaks' is unbelievable. The first ever mountain track I heard. It goes on forever. It's preceded by a rather groovy track called 'guitar solo' A five minute feedbacked version of jingle bells!! eldritch From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Thu May 7 15:10:33 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (antisol _8) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 12:10:33 PDT Subject: Offensive Tapes Message-ID: > I'm offended by the offensive offence of offensiveness. heh heh. As a neophyte hw fan I dont have the right to say anything impressionable... but how the hell can anyone who listens to this band be offended by anything, music? oh no! look out for sonic attack its coming my way! If i'm not made impotent from that nuclear reactor down the street I'm gonna have kids some day and they'll only be allowed to listen to hawkwind, and they'll grow up as moral, wholesome servants of community. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu May 7 17:10:59 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 17:10:59 EDT Subject: Offensive Tapes In-Reply-To: <19980507191033.10563.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > From: antisol _8 > > I'm offended by the offensive offence of offensiveness. > > heh heh. > > As a neophyte hw fan I dont have the right to say anything > impressionable... but how the hell can anyone who listens to this band > be offended by anything, music? oh no! look out for sonic attack its > coming my way! > > If i'm not made impotent from that nuclear reactor down the street I'm > gonna have kids some day and they'll only be allowed to listen to > hawkwind, and they'll grow up as moral, wholesome servants of community. > Geez, dad, ya think you could let them listen to BOC or tBS if they promise to be good? theo ________________________________ ...'Cause it makes me mad, and I get evil as a man can be." --A.K. _______________________________ From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu May 7 17:31:59 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 23:31:59 +0200 Subject: OFF: testing 123 Message-ID: Hmmm... looks like my last post was deemed too offensive to make it thru cos I sent it about 4 hours ago :) *sigh* some topics will always remain controversial in the public eye won't they? Even when marginally on-topic. Lock up those (dead) kids, or just let Listserv Robo-Nanny keep a watchful eye on 'em, in the name of pure and good taste. Chr. "Welcome to Crazyville!" - H. Leroy Newton From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Thu May 7 19:13:55 1998 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 16:13:55 PDT Subject: BOC: Showtime 6/25 Message-ID: Hi kids: Anyone know the details of the BOC show at SHOWTIME in Utica, NY? Actually I am assuming it's Utica, as I caught the tail end of the promo for it on 96.9FM out of Utica. Place called Showtime. I don't normally listen to their ads, as they are quite annoying, but the words BLUE OYSTER CULT kinda grab me, ya know? I think I heard that they will be there on 6/25, the day before the BIG FLATS gig. I might try to catch this one instead of the BF gig as Utica is quite close for me. Or maybe I'll try for both. As for the Big Flats gig, I found on the Syracuse Times concert page that MOLLY HATCHET is opening for them there. Now, if I could just get through to the bloody phone number they give for the Big Flats Budweiser Summer Sound Stage to find out where the hell this place is it would be great. Anyone have any info on either of these shows, or venues? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Torgo (aka Harvest Loon) :^D Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** Torgo at norwich.net DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos Palace: Galaxystation.com PORT-9998 *********************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu May 7 19:25:26 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 19:25:26 EDT Subject: BOC: Showtime 6/25 In-Reply-To: <19980507231355.3441.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > From: Torgo Sedler > Hi kids: > > Anyone know the details of the BOC show at SHOWTIME in Utica, NY? > Actually I am assuming it's Utica, as I caught the tail end of the promo > for it on 96.9FM out of Utica. Place called Showtime. I don't normally > listen to their ads, as they are quite annoying, but the words BLUE > OYSTER CULT kinda grab me, ya know? > > I think I heard that they will be there on 6/25, the day before the BIG > FLATS gig. I might try to catch this one instead of the BF gig as Utica > is quite close for me. Or maybe I'll try for both. > > As for the Big Flats gig, I found on the Syracuse Times concert page > that MOLLY HATCHET is opening for them there. Now, if I could just get > through to the bloody phone number they give for the Big Flats Budweiser > Summer Sound Stage to find out where the hell this place is it would be > great. Anyone have any info on either of these shows, or venues? Any > info would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks in advance, > Torgo (aka Harvest Loon) :^D Holy Shit! 2 shows in 2 days. I feel like a Dead Head! No question I'll make both shows... theo ________________________________ ...'Cause it makes me mad, and I get evil as a man can be." --A.K. _______________________________ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu May 7 19:30:52 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 19:30:52 EDT Subject: BOC: Showtime 6/25 In-Reply-To: <5F4A8F7F7C@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: > > From: Torgo Sedler > > > Hi kids: > > > > Anyone know the details of the BOC show at SHOWTIME in Utica, NY? > > Actually I am assuming it's Utica, as I caught the tail end of the promo > > for it on 96.9FM out of Utica. Place called Showtime. I don't normally > > listen to their ads, as they are quite annoying, but the words BLUE > > OYSTER CULT kinda grab me, ya know? Torgo, I was just on the web site, and they list the place as: "It's Showtime,' and it's supposed to be in New Hartford, Not Utica. This ring a bell with ya? theo ________________________________ ...'Cause it makes me mad, and I get evil as a man can be." --A.K. _______________________________ From OE3 at AOL.COM Thu May 7 20:02:32 1998 From: OE3 at AOL.COM (OE3) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 20:02:32 EDT Subject: universal studios-LA? Message-ID: anyone got the scoop on two scheduled blue oyster cult shows this saturday at universal studios in los angeles? news to me! eddie los angeles, calif. From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu May 7 14:38:23 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 20:38:23 +0200 Subject: OFF: PARIS! Message-ID: > > Jim Morrision's grave is, well, just that. Hardly worth the metro fare I > thought, but you can drop in on other dead dudes like Oscar Wilde on the > same trip... the record shops are _vachement_ expensive, but I can't say > I'm an expert (Virgin on the Champs Elysees doesn't qualify me as an expert > :). > > - Andy "Middle of the night - so silently, I creep on over to the morturary, lift up the casket and fiddle with the dead, their cold blue flesh makes me turn red - do what I want and they don't complain - and I don't even care how she died - but I like it better if she smells of formaldehyde!" -TSOL, "Code Blue" Chr. > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Fri May 8 01:06:53 1998 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 00:06:53 -0500 Subject: No Godzilla in Godzilla! Message-ID: On Thu, 7 May 1998 11:20:00 +0100 Andy Gilham wrote: >> I feel terribly sorry for this generation of kids who will grow up >> saying >> "all those old Godzilla movies suck, they aren't the real ones!" and >> associate the dancey music of Jamiroquai and Puff Daddy with the >> big green guy. >> > >Just 'cause you're one of that generation that says, "all those old >Flash Gordon movies suck, they aren't the real ones!" and associate >the pompous music of Queen with the all-American hero! What?!? Flash Gordon was around before 1980?!? :-) :-) Damon From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Fri May 8 03:17:39 1998 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 08:17:39 +0100 Subject: BOC: "heavy" sound in the 70s Message-ID: After all this discussion about BOC's sound in the 70s, I'm a touch surprised nobody has mentioned MC5's "Kick out the Jams". (Ob BOC ref) That record is *still* heavy by today's standards, let alone 1968, when it came out. Neil. From mumford at ONLINE.NO Fri May 8 03:18:06 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 09:18:06 +0200 Subject: BOC: "heavy" sound in the 70s Message-ID: > After all this discussion about BOC's sound in the 70s, I'm a touch surprised > nobody has mentioned MC5's "Kick out the Jams". (Ob BOC ref) > > That record is *still* heavy by today's standards, let alone 1968, when it came > out. > > Neil. Of course, stack it up to the bottomless wiry (and very influental) sound of their later studio lp "Back In The USA" or Iggy & The Stooges' "Raw Power"... Chr. "Welcome to Crazyville!" - H. Leroy Newton From arjanh at CS.VU.NL Fri May 8 04:03:18 1998 From: arjanh at CS.VU.NL (Hulsebos A) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 10:03:18 +0200 Subject: Off: Mountain (was BOC: revamped set) In-Reply-To: Chris Warburton "Off: Mountain (was BOC: revamped set)" (May 7, 6:26pm) Message-ID: On May 7, 6:26pm, Chris Warburton wrote: >I'd been "umming" & "erring" about 'Over The Top' - I'll take that as a >positive recommendation: I guess it's joined my shopping list! I hadn't >heard of 'Man's World', but I'll be looking out for it now. Well, it contains 'Stormy Monday', a whole 19 minutes of it! Live! It's from a festival in the US, held in 69 or 70. The other source is a triple LP, but I found that one n-th hand (reasonable quality, nevertheless). That made me buy 'Over The Top'. And it contains a couple of tracks from Leslie's first album, and two from the 'Go For Your Life' album; I've seen neither on CD. 'Over The Top' is more like Leslie's solo ventures, like 'Theme', than any of the original Mountain stuff. It's still pretty good, tho. One point to note: the big man has halved himself :-) Cheers, Arjan H -- Disclaimer? Whaddayamean, disclaimer? This is 1998! Arjan Hulsebos -- arjanh at cs.vu.nl For more info (last updated April 9,1998): finger -l arjanh at top.cs.vu.nl From arjanh at CS.VU.NL Fri May 8 04:06:41 1998 From: arjanh at CS.VU.NL (Hulsebos A) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 10:06:41 +0200 Subject: Off: Mountain (no BOC/HW) In-Reply-To: eldritch "Re: Off: Mountain (no BOC/HW)" (May 7, 7:11pm) Message-ID: On May 7, 7:11pm, eldritch wrote: >Subject: Re: Off: Mountain (no BOC/HW) >;-) Mountain > >The version of Nantucket sleighride on 'Twin Peaks' is unbelievable. The first >ever mountain track I heard. >It goes on forever. It's preceded by a rather groovy track called 'guitar >solo' A five minute feedbacked version of jingle bells!! If you like that version, than the one from 'Mountain Live' will blow you away. Arjan H -- Disclaimer? Whaddayamean, disclaimer? This is 1998! Arjan Hulsebos -- arjanh at cs.vu.nl For more info (last updated April 9,1998): finger -l arjanh at top.cs.vu.nl From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri May 8 00:32:43 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 04:32:43 +0000 Subject: No Godzilla in Godzilla! Message-ID: > As they're saying, in that crass slogan, "size does matter". > > - Andy I'll give 'em this much...that's gotta be one of THE all-time great tag lines! -- Nick From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri May 8 05:37:18 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 02:37:18 PDT Subject: No Godzilla in Godzilla! Message-ID: >Just 'cause you're one of that generation that says, "all those old Flash >Gordon movies suck, they aren't the real ones!" and associate the pompous >music of Queen with the all-American hero! > >:)) > >- Andy Buster Crabbe was some kinda God-guy. Unleash the purple death. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Fri May 8 08:44:53 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 08:44:53 -0400 Subject: "heavy" sound in the 70s Message-ID: Neil said >After all this discussion about BOC's sound in the 70s, I'm a touch surprised >nobody has mentioned MC5's "Kick out the Jams". (Ob BOC ref) > >That record is *still* heavy by today's standards, let alone 1968, when it came >out. On the way into work this morning, I heard James Iha of Smashing Pumpkins do a promo for our local community-run, independent label/ alternative station. Normally I wouldn't care, but I heard some familiar music playing in the background of the cart. It took me 2 agonizing minutes, but I figured out what it was... Rocket Reducer No. 62 (Rama Lama Fa Fa Fa) by the MC5! Apparently the sound of the "Kick Out the Jams" album is heavy enough to appeal to today's alterna-kids. Brian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2477 bytes Desc: not available URL: From talger at PIPELINE.COM Fri May 8 09:02:18 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 09:02:18 -0400 Subject: OFF: Pound Hound In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey Ghost.... bad news.... apparently the Platypus disc has been postponed in Europe till August.... something about the record company having longer to promote Moonflower Lane before putting out another Ty related disc at least I have the one track... I'll definitely put it on the disc for you Ted From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri May 8 09:04:00 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 09:04:00 EDT Subject: "heavy" sound in the 70s In-Reply-To: <329A5258416CD111928F006008A62C7624A5E3@bpxsv.156.106.206.in-addr.arpa> Message-ID: > From: brian halligan >> > On the way into work this morning, I heard > James Iha of Smashing Pumpkins do a promo > for our local community-run, independent label/ > alternative station. Normally I wouldn't care, but > I heard some familiar music playing in the background > of the cart. It took me 2 agonizing minutes, but I > figured out what it was... > > Rocket Reducer No. 62 (Rama Lama Fa Fa Fa) > by the MC5! > > Apparently the sound of the "Kick Out the > Jams" album is heavy enough to appeal to > today's alterna-kids. > > Brian Too much! Brian, you going to the back-to-back gigs in June? Any idea what time the Big Flats gig starts? theo ________________________________ ...'Cause it makes me mad, and I get evil as a man can be." --A.K. _______________________________ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri May 8 10:15:45 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 14:15:45 +0000 Subject: "heavy" sound in the 70s Message-ID: On fre 8 maj 1998 08.44 -0400 "brian halligan" wrote: > Apparently the sound of the "Kick Out the > Jams" album is heavy enough to appeal to > today's alterna-kids. Or to appeal to the alterna-musos that make the tunes to which alterna-kids listen, which is not _quite_ the same thing :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Fri May 8 09:26:41 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 09:26:41 -0400 Subject: BOC: Big Flats (was "heavy" sound in the 70s) Message-ID: Theo said: >Brian, you going to the back-to-back gigs in June? Any idea what >time the Big Flats gig starts? I'll probably just go to Big Flats. Unless they announce that they're going to start playing Damaged and Hammer Back at the New Hartford gig... No idea on the when or where. I called and got directions the last time they played down there, but I don't remember them. 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This blows." ;-) >-- >Carl Edlund Anderson >Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic >St. John's College, University of Cambridge >mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk >http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2381 bytes Desc: not available URL: From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri May 8 10:04:08 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 09:04:08 -0500 Subject: BOC: No Godzilla in Godzilla Message-ID: so we can expect it to look great, but to be, in > actuality, vacuous bullshit. > Well, I ask no more from a movie :) And I would have been stunned if BOC's _Godzilla_ had been in it anyway. Right, the idea of using the BOC song makes too much sense for Hollywood to give it any serious consideration. >Well, given the success of Stargate and esp. Independence Day, I don't think Emmerich needs to ride anyone's coattails. And Spielberg's track record lately hasn't been all that impressive anyway... Maybe becuase the general public has taken to his grand f/x movies more so than the really great ones he churns out from time to time. The Color Purple, Schinlders List, Amistead....the man can make movies period. > I believe that there are significant rights issues at hand. For example, the studio had to fight considerably, apparently, to be allowed to use the original Godzilla roar. Up until recently, it was feared that they were going to have to use a modified sound (the horrors). Reasonable explanation. Some of these big f/x flicks have the marketing/merhcandising machine months ahead of the actual flick. Maybe this resulted in a bidding war with Sony looking to gouge great profits from the film's producers. Guees only those involved really know if there was any real interest in using the song. > For those of us who have followed the continued success of Toho Ltd., this movie will either be great or horrible, there's no middle ground. There have been a number of Godzilla movies over the last decade or so - not counting, cough cough, Godzilla '85 or whatever it was called - most of which have been excellent. Haven't seen any of these avaialable but my local video store has all the original calssics available. >In particular, there have been some new Gamera movies (yes, the flying turtle) that were *excellent*. There's one out that you can find in most rental stores...if you like the old Godzilla movies and want an idea of what the new on will be like, with good effects and all, check it out. It had been 20 years since I'd felt like that... Smooth! This one the video stopre has but only a single copy must be a lot of rubber monster fans in my area as its never there. Would love to see this one. For a brief whiole Gamera replace 'Zilla as my favorite Japanese Monster. Gam was a lot like Rocky, take it on the chin early but always found that second wind to kick some ass! >If i'm not made impotent from that nuclear reactor down the street I'm gonna have kids some day and they'll only be allowed to listen to hawkwind, and they'll grow up as moral, wholesome servants of community. > >Geez, dad, ya think you could let them listen to BOC or tBS if they promise to be good? All kids should have a chance to listen to BOC. Mine do! You surprised? Hope not. Some things are good but if I deem it BAD then they don't get it. Heck I'd take my older guys to see a BOC gig, provided it was an outdoor event, no child should have to suffer through all the smoke you find in these pocket size clubs. Theo>Holy Shit! 2 shows in 2 days. I feel like a Dead Head! No question I'll make both shows... Ah you groupie...Should be a blast, one indoors and one outdoors. L8er Ghost in the Ruins "If I may put forward a slice of personal philosophy, I feel that man has ruled this world as a stumbling demented child-king long enough! And as his empire crumbles, my precious Black Widow shall rise as his most fitting successor!" - Vincent Price From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri May 8 10:13:32 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 09:13:32 -0500 Subject: OFF: Pound Hound Message-ID: AB sez >Summer is stacking up pretty good. Still a chance the new KX will also >come out late summer. Ted>well....I wouldn't be too eager about the KX disc since they weren't even going to start writing until after Doug's disc was done.... but we can always keep our fingers crossed.... They basically had an album in their pocket when the record label courting began. Don't think it will take them long to put 10-12 songs on a disc. Ted>and actually, the Platypus disc is out on the 25th in Europe.... (maybe we can talk Danny M into picking up a copy when the boys do Europe in June.....) already heard one track....it's cool.... maybe I'll put it on that CD for you I was talking about Bet all we have to do is tell Danny its out there and he'll look for it. Wouldn't it be something to hear him and Doug with dueling basses? Who knows maybe Danny will show up somewher on Pundhound. I can dream any dream. >you DO know that Ty and Jerry hang out at the KX ng now don't you? also, Doug is going to be going over to Jerry's to take some email questions and post to the ng.... Ty and Wanda were regular contributors to the KX mailing list before Robert vanished from site. Gave that list a real BOC-L feel ala Al and Deb. Kewl Ghost in the Ruins who BTW has finally finished your Sava tape, just trying to find my Damn KX concert tape list to see if you want any of those shows... "It's not like we're vicious or gone We just dug up the graves where your relatives lay In old forest lawn And it's not like we don't know the score We're the fragile elite they dragged off the street I guess they just couldn't take us no more." - Alice Cooper From mumford at ONLINE.NO Fri May 8 10:39:54 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 16:39:54 +0200 Subject: OFF: The Tomb of Godzilla Message-ID: Ghost sez in the most eeeeeviyllll voice: > "If I may put forward a slice of personal > philosophy, I feel that man has ruled this world as a stumbling demented > child-king long enough! And as his empire crumbles, my precious Black > Widow shall rise as his most fitting successor!" - Vincent Price Hey, is this from a flick or an actual real quote? I was raised by the Corman (& thus usually Vincent Price) Poe flicks on late nite TV :) Chr. "Welcome to Crazyville!" - H. Leroy Newton From mumford at ONLINE.NO Fri May 8 10:42:44 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 16:42:44 +0200 Subject: OFF: No God in Gordon Message-ID: Horse Whisperer says: > Buster Crabbe was some kinda God-guy. Unleash the purple death. Buster got the crabs from Johny Weismuller's purple swimming trunks. Chr. > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri May 8 07:06:01 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 11:06:01 +0000 Subject: OFF: Movie tag lines Message-ID: Even though nobody responded to my post claiming "Size does matter" is one of the all-time great movie promo lines, it got me into a debate with myself (medication ran out last week, you know) about some of the other really good ones. My all time favorite: Army of Darkness: Trapped in time, surrounded by evil, low on gas. Anybody else wanna add? -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri May 8 07:07:46 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 11:07:46 +0000 Subject: OFF: The Tomb of Godzilla Message-ID: > Ghost sez in the most eeeeeviyllll voice: > > > "If I may put forward a slice of personal > > philosophy, I feel that man has ruled this world as a stumbling demented > > child-king long enough! And as his empire crumbles, my precious Black > > Widow shall rise as his most fitting successor!" - Vincent Price > > > Hey, is this from a flick or an actual real quote? I was raised by the > Corman (& thus usually Vincent Price) Poe flicks on late nite TV :) > > Chr. That's the intro to the Alice Cooper tune "Black Widow", which you can find on the "Welcome to My Nightmare" album. Shame on you if you don't have this one! -- Nick From mumford at ONLINE.NO Fri May 8 11:05:37 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 17:05:37 +0200 Subject: OFF: The Tomb of Godzilla Message-ID: > > > That's the intro to the Alice Cooper tune "Black Widow", which you > can find on the "Welcome to My Nightmare" album. Shame on you if you > don't have this one! *SLAP* well, hey be easy on me ok? I've been grooving to Who Live At Leeds all day and am starting to flash back to 1970, and I am feeling mighty unhinged right now. Chr. > -- Nick ObFilm: Altered States - wiping out so many braincells tripping that one turns into a monkey. "Welcome to Crazyville!" - H. Leroy Newton From sdavmor at MCIONE.COM Fri May 8 11:15:42 1998 From: sdavmor at MCIONE.COM (S. Davies-Morris) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 08:15:42 -0700 Subject: The Tomb of Godzilla Message-ID: >From Alice Cooper's *Welcome to My Nightmare* if my memory serves me correct. Scary that I haven't heard that LP in 20 years, haven't seen the TV special with Price since the night in first aired, and yet I knew it immediately... Regards Steven Davies-Morris Please note my new email address sdavmor at mcione.com =================================================== -----Original Message----- From: Christian000Mumford To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Friday, May 08, 1998 8:05 AM Subject: OFF: The Tomb of Godzilla >Ghost sez in the most eeeeeviyllll voice: > >> "If I may put forward a slice of personal >> philosophy, I feel that man has ruled this world as a stumbling demented >> child-king long enough! And as his empire crumbles, my precious Black >> Widow shall rise as his most fitting successor!" - Vincent Price > > >Hey, is this from a flick or an actual real quote? I was raised by the >Corman (& thus usually Vincent Price) Poe flicks on late nite TV :) > >Chr. > > >"Welcome to Crazyville!" > - H. Leroy Newton From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri May 8 11:23:00 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 11:23:00 -0400 Subject: No Godzilla in Godzilla! In-Reply-To: <19980508082647.AAA10925@[208.214.94.75]> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 May 1998, Nick English wrote: > > As they're saying, in that crass slogan, "size does matter". > > > > - Andy > > I'll give 'em this much...that's gotta be one of THE all-time great > tag lines! A friend of mine who visited New York City recently told me that there are really long billboards there saying "Godzilla is longer than this," or humongously tall ones reading "Godzilla is taller than this..." Cheers, Paul. obCD: Voivod, _Dimension Hatr?ss_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri May 8 07:34:34 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 11:34:34 +0000 Subject: OFF: The Tomb of Godzilla Message-ID: > *SLAP* well, hey be easy on me ok? I've been grooving to Who Live At Leeds > all day and am starting to flash back to 1970, and I am feeling mighty > unhinged right now. > > Chr. Just trying to help out...it really is a 'killer' album...and one of my favorite concept records. Neat premise, well 'executed'. Nick From tnelson at HUMBOLDT.K12.CA.US Thu May 7 11:37:41 1998 From: tnelson at HUMBOLDT.K12.CA.US (Thomas Nelson) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 08:37:41 -0700 Subject: OFF: Re: No Godzilla in Godzilla! In-Reply-To: <199805080900.FAA25285@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Subject: Re: No Godzilla in Godzilla! While we're on the subject, does anybody know if all the recent Japanese Godzilla flicks will ever be officially released here in the U.S.? Tristar has just released Godzilla vs King Ghidrah (90's version) and Godzilla vs Mothra : Battle for the Earth (also 90's version). These are the dubbed versions that have been available in England for a while. The dubbing really isn't that good on them. I've heard they are available at Blockbuster. There is no schedule for the other movies: Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla (a great 90's update), G vs Space Godzilla, and G vs Destroyah. Just thought you would want to know. The Gumby Man is out. Thomas Nelson 8th Grade Core Teacher McKinleyville Middle School A Deep Thought by Jack Handey: "I bet one legend that keeps recurring throughout history, in every culture, is the story of Popeye." From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri May 8 11:52:33 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 08:52:33 PDT Subject: OFF: No God in Gordon (No Fish Here) Message-ID: >Horse Whisperer says: > >> Buster Crabbe was some kinda God-guy. Unleash the purple death. > > >Buster got the crabs from Johny Weismuller's purple swimming trunks. > >Chr. > Thinks.......Tarzan meets the Lion-Men of Mongo.... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri May 8 12:09:08 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 09:09:08 PDT Subject: OFF: Movie tag lines Message-ID: >My all time favorite: > >Army of Darkness: Trapped in time, surrounded by evil, low on gas. > >Anybody else wanna add? > >-- Nick > A Pin Badge for Star Wars Merchandizing I saw in Canada...... (Picture of the Emperor)"Think you can win? I think NOT!" Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET Fri May 8 12:18:32 1998 From: walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET (Walrus) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 12:18:32 -0400 Subject: HW: ISOS remaster Message-ID: oooh I got the remastered ISOS yesterday, they did a more noticable cleanup job on this one than the others I have (DFL, HotMG)! now, a coupla things.. who are the Pink Fairies? oh ok just the one thing for now :) wal ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______ " The gentle madness Walrus _______\_ has touched my hand /__\O/__/= Now I'm just a .. spacing out _|\ .^. Cosmic Man ... " by spacing in .. | \_/ http://www.neuron.net/~walrus From mumford at ONLINE.NO Fri May 8 12:25:42 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 18:25:42 +0200 Subject: ISOS remaster Message-ID: wal gibbers madly to himself: > who are the Pink Fairies? Get sobered up and take a shower and ask yourself again :) Chr. ObClothes: the leather drawers of Larry Wallis ObCD: Who - Live At Leeds ObBeer: BORG!! OBBBB! Ghhh! Hgh! ghaghah! GGGH! From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri May 8 12:48:04 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 12:48:04 -0400 Subject: OFF: Bevis Frond In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 4 May 1998, Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: > Hey Bevis Frond was amazing! Brian and Jason [sadly late of this > list] were also on hand. Brian, you gonna post a review? Alas, when Bevis Frond played anywhere remotely close to me on this tour (Chapel Hill, NC; I'm in Blacksburg, VA), lucky ol' me had to pick someone up at the airport the very same evening. :-( Oh, and to top it off, I discovered that the day after I returned from a recent two-day training class in Dublin, OH, Govt. Mule were playing nearby Columbus, OH. (Worst of all, the training class was also being held that day; if only I'd known!!!) Glad to hear you enjoyed Bevis Frond. You may be pleased to know that Flydaddy Records in the USA is re-releasing the Bevis Frond back catalogue, at its usual inexpensive price. I suggest, at the very least, that you try and hunt out a copy of _New River Head_ and _Superseeder_. The first couple of albums are a bit too "lo-fi" for some people, but I like them (especially _Inner Marshland_). Cheers, Paul. obCD: Bevis Frond, _It Just Is_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have no luck at all" --- Albert King From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri May 8 13:10:23 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 13:10:23 -0400 Subject: No Godzilla in Godzilla! Message-ID: >Sadly, I suspect this movie isn't really for true Godzilla fans. This IS sad, 'cuz I was planning on taking part of the day it was released off to go see it - BOC's Godzilla in it or not. Sigh. John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri May 8 13:10:59 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 13:10:59 EDT Subject: OFF: Bevis Frond In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Paul Mather > On Mon, 4 May 1998, Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: > > > Hey Bevis Frond was amazing! Brian and Jason [sadly late of this > > list] were also on hand. Brian, you gonna post a review? > > Alas, when Bevis Frond played anywhere remotely close to me on this tour > (Chapel Hill, NC; I'm in Blacksburg, VA), lucky ol' me had to pick > someone up at the airport the very same evening. :-( > > Oh, and to top it off, I discovered that the day after I returned from a > recent two-day training class in Dublin, OH, Govt. Mule were playing > nearby Columbus, OH. (Worst of all, the training class was also being > held that day; if only I'd known!!!) > I can appreciate that. I have to miss 2 Govt Mule gigs, incl. one right here in Syra. 'cause I'll be on vacation out of town. Glad to hear you enjoyed Bevis Frond. You may be pleased to know that > Flydaddy Records in the USA is re-releasing the Bevis Frond back > catalogue, at its usual inexpensive price. I suggest, at the very > least, that you try and hunt out a copy of _New River Head_ and > _Superseeder_. The first couple of albums are a bit too "lo-fi" for > some people, but I like them (especially _Inner Marshland_). > > Cheers, > > Paul. > Sounds great. They were only selling the latest one at the gig. It's a double, right? theo ________________________________ ...'Cause it makes me mad, and I get evil as a man can be." --A.K. _______________________________ From mumford at ONLINE.NO Fri May 8 13:18:24 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 19:18:24 +0200 Subject: OFF: Albert King Message-ID: Right! Who's this guy? Isn't it an old blues guy??? haha, Chr. theo quotes: ________________________________ ...'Cause it makes me mad, and I get evil as a man can be." --A.K. _______________________________ Paul Mather quotes: "If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have no luck at all" --- Albert King "Welcome to Crazyville!" - H. Leroy Newton From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri May 8 14:26:00 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 14:26:00 -0400 Subject: OFF: Bevis Frond In-Reply-To: <710D5D6EC0@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 May 1998, Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: > Sounds great. They were only selling the latest one at the gig. > It's a double, right? The latest album, _North Circular_ is a double. Both _New River Head_ and _Superseeder_, which I mentioned, are singles, albeit long (_NRH_ clocks in at just over 79 minutes!). BTW, _Superseeder_ contains the superbly catchy, "Stoned Train Driver." Cheers, Paul. obCD: Blue Cheer, _Good Times Are So Hard To Find_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri May 8 14:37:03 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 14:37:03 -0400 Subject: OFF: Albert King In-Reply-To: <199805081723.TAA11736@online.no> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 May 1998, Christian000Mumford wrote: > Right! Who's this guy? Isn't it an old blues guy??? > Paul Mather quotes: > "If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have no luck at all" > --- Albert King Yes, he's a old (now dead) blues guy. The line comes from his song, "Born Under A Bad Sign." Cheers, Paul. obCD: Albert King, _King of the Blues Guitar_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri May 8 15:29:02 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 15:29:02 EDT Subject: OFF: Bevis Frond In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Paul Mather > The latest album, _North Circular_ is a double. Both _New River Head_ > and _Superseeder_, which I mentioned, are singles, albeit long (_NRH_ > clocks in at just over 79 minutes!). BTW, _Superseeder_ contains the > superbly catchy, "Stoned Train Driver." > They did it live! As an ex-railroad man, I laughed my ass off! theo ________________________________ ...'Cause it makes me mad, and I get evil as a man can be." --A.K. _______________________________ From talger at PIPELINE.COM Fri May 8 15:36:14 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 15:36:14 -0400 Subject: OFF: Pound Hound In-Reply-To: Message-ID: AB sez >They basically had an album in their pocket when the record label >courting began. Don't think it will take them long to put 10-12 songs >on a disc. > could be.... for some reason I had the impression that they were going to work on fresh material > >who BTW has finally finished your Sava tape, just trying to find my Damn >KX concert tape list to see if you want any of those shows... > whoops.... guess that means I oughta get started on your CD then, huh? right after I get the CDs done for Bolle and another friend of mine.... where DOES the time go? I'm kind of dreading this.... never realized how time consuming it was going to be to try and manipulate a 200meg audio file with only 64meg of RAM! Ted From OE3 at AOL.COM Fri May 8 16:59:03 1998 From: OE3 at AOL.COM (OE3) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 16:59:03 EDT Subject: Universal-L.A. show Message-ID: found out the skinny on these totally-not-promoted-one-iota shows at universal. two gigs tomorrow (1 & 3:30pm) INSIDE the univ. studios theme park at the beetlejuice theater. eddie los angeles, calif. From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri May 8 18:23:07 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 23:23:07 +0100 Subject: No Godzilla in Godzilla! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > >obCD: Voivod, _Dimension Hatr?ss_ > I want my vinyl back *BooHoo* ChrisW "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri May 8 18:37:28 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 23:37:28 +0100 Subject: OFF: Albert King In-Reply-To: <199805081723.TAA11736@online.no> Message-ID: At 19:18 08/05/98 +0200, you wrote: >Right! Who's this guy? Isn't it an old blues guy??? > >haha, >Chr. >theo quotes: > >________________________________ >...'Cause it makes me mad, >and I get evil as a man can be." > > --A.K. >_______________________________ > >Paul Mather quotes: >"If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have no luck at all" > --- Albert King Sho' 'nuff RESPECT ChrisW "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri May 8 18:28:54 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 23:28:54 +0100 Subject: HW: ISOS remaster In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 12:18 08/05/98 -0400, you wrote: >oooh I got the remastered ISOS yesterday, they did a more noticable >cleanup job on this one than the others I have (DFL, HotMG)! > >now, a coupla things.. who are the Pink Fairies? >oh ok just the one thing for now :) > >wal > Just go out & find "Never Never Land", "What A Bunch Of Sweeties" & "Kings Of Oblivion"... ChrisW I had a line on a NM vinyl sweeties, but the trail petered out :-{(> NP: XISOS "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri May 8 15:27:58 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 20:27:58 +0100 Subject: BOC: No Godzilla in Godzilla In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 09:04 08/05/98 -0500, you wrote: >>Geez, dad, ya think you could let them listen to BOC or tBS if they promise >to be good? > >All kids should have a chance to listen to BOC. Mine do! You >surprised? Hope not. Some things are good but if I deem it BAD then >they don't get it. Heck I'd take my older guys to see a BOC gig, >provided it was an outdoor event, no child should have to suffer through >all the smoke you find in these pocket size clubs. Mine do too - one of the things that they miss since I split up with the Mrs. is tea-time air-guitar sessions with Dad! They started when they were about 5 or 6. My daughter is also a big fan of Santana, Miles Davis & The Penguin Cafe Orchestra. My boy just likes anything that ROCKS! ChrisW NP:Sign of Four/Derek Bailey & Pat Metheny "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Thu May 7 17:41:33 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 22:41:33 +0100 Subject: PARIS! In-Reply-To: <000801bd79e1$f9bda600$9b3f63c3@default> Message-ID: At 19:00 07/05/98 +0100, you wrote: >> My Itinary(hmm--it ain't spelt like that) so far is. The GONG gig. Jim >> Morrisons grave, and probably about every record shop in Paris :-) Any >> suggestions? > >Jim Morrision's grave is, well, just that. Hardly worth the metro fare I >thought, but you can drop in on other dead dudes like Oscar Wilde on the >same trip... the record shops are _vachement_ expensive, but I can't say >I'm an expert (Virgin on the Champs Elysees doesn't qualify me as an expert >:). > >- Andy I thought disques were expensive too, but I did pick up a couple of Magma rarities once, and any large branch of Fnac is likely to have interesting jazz, folk or modern "classical" music. Yes, JM's grave is just that, esp. now that the bust has been replaced with a plain headstone, but Pere Lachaise as a whole is an amazing necropolis, after all, it does have the Communards' Wall and the concentration camp memorials as well as all the arty types. I always wondered how they managed to get Morrison interred in the old part of the cemetery. I'm also rather fond of the cheesy statues of obscure French generals sat astride their bronze steeds. ChrisW ObMoney-saving tip: walk past the pavement cafes full of blue rinsed old biddys, go down a side street, and have your cup of coffee for a fraction of the price "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Fri May 8 19:41:47 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Nebosuke) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 19:41:47 EDT Subject: OFF: Movie tag lines Message-ID: Nick E. wrote: > Anybody else wanna add? "Who will survive and what will be left of them?" -Texas Chainsaw Massacre All-time favorite double-bill titles (titles, not movies!)- "Shriek of the Mutilated" & "Invasion of the Blood Farmers" And this was no postmodern excavation/recreation of the tasteless schlocky past (a la White Zombie and Troma Films); this WAS the tasteless schlocky past. From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Sat May 9 01:11:31 1998 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 23:11:31 -0600 Subject: BOC: No Godzilla in Godzilla! Message-ID: At 10:58 07/05/98 +0000, you wrote: >> Well, given the success of Stargate and esp. Independence Day, I >> don't think Emmerich needs to ride anyone's coattails. And >> Spielberg's track record lately hasn't been all that impressive >> anyway... > >To clarify my point, I wasn't saying Emmerich needed to copy >Spielberg, just that this flick looks like it will have a 'Jurassic >Park' kinda feel. Realistic, detailed computer-generated T-Rex-type >creature and all. Speaking of which... do you know Emmerich was originally considered as the German Spielberg after he had released his first movie in Germany back in the early 80's ? To some extent, the comparison still holds, but lately Emmerich has been doing things you'd never see in a Spielberg movie... I think it really all started with Universal Soldier, the first he co-wrote with Dean Devlin. I'd be curious to see him do a movie without Devlin, just to see how much influence that guy has on his films... >But for my entertainment dollar, Brucie the Shark is still more >frightening than all of them put together (Of course, Jaws was a much >better movie than all of them put together, too). Even though he >looks pretty rubbery, it's more engrossing to me when I can tell that >Quint was really in the shark's mouth, and not placed there by some >dude at a keyboard. Perhaps that's what the problem is : we know how it's done... the fact that people know more nowadays about the magic of moviemaking, how the effects are done, etc, may be a major reason why it doesn't work for some anymore... Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Sat May 9 01:11:25 1998 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 23:11:25 -0600 Subject: BOC: No Godzilla in Godzilla! Message-ID: >Sony & BOC should get together to re-release Godzilla as a single with >loads of marketing behind it!! Yeah, right, like that's gonna happen ! :-o Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From adawson at CLARA.NET Sat May 9 03:28:41 1998 From: adawson at CLARA.NET (Andrew Dawson) Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 08:28:41 +0100 Subject: OFF: Bevis Frond In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 14:26 08/05/98 -0400, you wrote: >On Fri, 8 May 1998, Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: > >> Sounds great. They were only selling the latest one at the gig. >> It's a double, right? > >The latest album, _North Circular_ is a double. Both _New River Head_ >and _Superseeder_, which I mentioned, are singles, albeit long (_NRH_ >clocks in at just over 79 minutes!). BTW, _Superseeder_ contains the >superbly catchy, "Stoned Train Driver." > North Circular was also released as a triple vinyl limited edition of 750 copies autographed by Nick. Andrew Dawson adawson at clara.net http://home.clara.net/adawson http://www.adawson.clara.net From johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sat May 9 03:48:44 1998 From: johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 09:48:44 +0200 Subject: Off: Mountain (no BOC/HW) Message-ID: >>The version of Nantucket sleighride on 'Twin Peaks' is unbelievable. The first >>ever mountain track I heard. >>It goes on forever. It's preceded by a rather groovy track called 'guitar >>solo' A five minute feedbacked version of jingle bells!! > >If you like that version, than the one from 'Mountain Live' will blow you away. while talking Mountain, anyone knows why Gail Collins shot Felix Pappalardi? -joe ObLyrics: One Last Cold Kiss >Arjan H From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat May 9 04:15:11 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 09:15:11 +0100 Subject: PARIS! In-Reply-To: <000801bd79e1$f9bda600$9b3f63c3@default> Message-ID: In article <000801bd79e1$f9bda600$9b3f63c3 at default>, Andy Gilham writes > >Jim Morrision's grave is, well, just that. Jim's *dead*? When did this happen?!! -- Jon From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sat May 9 06:14:27 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 11:14:27 +0100 Subject: Off: Mountain (no BOC/HW) In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19980509094448.112fddac@m1.171.telia.com> Message-ID: > while talking Mountain, anyone knows why Gail Collins shot Felix > Pappalardi? Probably because he kept playing Nantucket bloody Sleighride. Drive anyone to violence :)) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sat May 9 06:14:29 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 11:14:29 +0100 Subject: BOC: No Godzilla in Godzilla! In-Reply-To: <199805090511.XAA02495@LAGUNA-01.laguna.com.mx> Message-ID: > Speaking of which... do you know Emmerich was originally considered as the > German Spielberg after he had released his first movie in Germany back in > the early 80's ? It was a bit of a lazy tag after _Moon 40_... Paul Verhoeven was briefly the "Dutch Spielberg" and he's got bugger all in common (although after seeing _Soldier of Orange_, Spielberg suggested to George Lucas that he should be offered _Return of the Jedi_. Then he saw _The Fourth Man_ and changed his mind. But it would have been interesting... It's well known that David Lynch _was_ offered _Jedi_, but of course took the poisoned chalice of _Dune_ instead. Oh well.) > Perhaps that's what the problem is : we know how it's done... the > fact that > people know more nowadays about the magic of moviemaking, how the effects > are done, etc, may be a major reason why it doesn't work for some > anymore... As Lynch has said, more people saw how they did the helicopter effect in _Cliffhanger_ than actually went to see the movie... ...but I promised a while back not to discuss film on the list. :) - Andy ObCD: The New Christs - _Lower Yourself_ bonus EP mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Sat May 9 07:06:46 1998 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 04:06:46 PDT Subject: OFF: Movie tag lines Message-ID: On the subject of movie tag lines..... >"Who will survive and what will be left of them?" > -Texas Chainsaw Massacre >Army of Darkness: Trapped in time, surrounded by evil, low on gas. Don't forget REANIMATOR..... "Dr.(insert name here) has a brilliant head on his shoulders...... and another in a pan on his desk." And BTW, all this talk of Godzilla and Gamera makes me want to pull out some of my MST3K archive. To date they have done a total of SEVEN Godzilla/Gamera movies. I never expected BOC's Godzilla to make the movie, but I WAS bummed when the MST3K gang never once made a BOC reference during one of their Godzilla episodes. :^( Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** Torgo at norwich.net DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos Palace: Galaxystation.com PORT-9998 *********************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sun May 10 00:47:30 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 00:47:30 -0400 Subject: OFF: SNL/Godzilla soundtrack Message-ID: I caught the appearance of Puff Daddy and Jimmy Page tonight on SNL. Seems the Puff Daddy contribution to the _Godzilla_ film soundtrack is a re-working of Led Zeppelin's "Kashmir." It sounded suitably intense on SNL, and I could well imagine the big guy striding about to its "propulsive"[*] rhythms. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Carlos Santana and Buddy Miles, _Live!_ [*] Obscure Steve Swann reference. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sat May 9 20:51:53 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 01:51:53 +0100 Subject: PARIS! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 09:15 09/05/98 +0100, you wrote: >In article <000801bd79e1$f9bda600$9b3f63c3 at default>, Andy Gilham > writes >> >>Jim Morrision's grave is, well, just that. > >Jim's *dead*? When did this happen?!! >-- >Jon > He's not dead - just cooking crepes in Finisterre! ChrisW NP: Officium: Jan Garbarek/Hilliard Ensemble "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Mon May 11 07:04:45 1998 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 13:04:45 +0200 Subject: HW: What now? Message-ID: Hej, I was just thinking about Distant Horizons, the latest HW studio lp, and someone told me that it only sold like 2-3000 copies worldwide... Is there really only this small of a market for HW? What the hell can the band do to increase their sales and therefore be able to support more live shows? Or, do we just have to accept that Dave is reaching the mid-50's and now wants to enjoy is life on the farm not really rock out anymore.... Just some thoughts... hoping for a totally new set of music for the new tour. Scott ObMD- Motorpsycho- Kobenhavn 5-8-98 R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 38 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon May 11 07:14:08 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 12:14:08 +0100 Subject: HW: What now? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 13:04 11/05/98 +0200, Scott Heller wrote: > I was just thinking about Distant Horizons, the latest HW studio >lp, and someone told me that it only sold like 2-3000 copies worldwide... >Is there really only this small of a market for HW? What the hell can the >band do to increase their sales Wow, that's disappointing. I don't know what more they can do. >Or, do we just have to accept that Dave is reaching the mid-50's and >now wants to enjoy is life on the farm not really rock out anymore.... I'm not sure this is related - Dave seems to have been really busy trying to promote HW. He worked on the remasters, on the record label, on new music, on the extensive tour last year, on various festivals etc., and trying to organise a tour to Oz. Dave. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Mon May 11 08:11:45 1998 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 14:11:45 +0200 Subject: HW: What now? Message-ID: Hello folks >Or, do we just have to accept that Dave is reaching the mid-50's and >now wants to enjoy is life on the farm not really rock out anymore.... It looks like if this is the sad truth :-((( Yesterday Filip Vanhuyse from Belgium phoned me and told me that the 3 Belgium/Holland gigs are cancelled!!! Lets hope that they'll play the Openair gig in Southwest Germany on 23.05.98 Bernhard From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon May 11 09:11:09 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 14:11:09 +0100 Subject: HW: What now? In-Reply-To: Dave Berry's message of Mon, 11 May 1998 12:14:08 +0100 Message-ID: Dave Berry writes: > At 13:04 11/05/98 +0200, Scott Heller wrote: > > I was just thinking about Distant Horizons, the latest HW studio > >lp, and someone told me that it only sold like 2-3000 copies worldwide... > >Is there really only this small of a market for HW? What the hell can the > >band do to increase their sales > > Wow, that's disappointing. I don't know what more they can do. Produce an album without wasted synth twiddling tracks, put a decent cover on it and promote it? They *can* do good synth tracks, though there are lots of bands who are better at that type of music. None of the efforts on DH were good synth tracks. They're better at being Hawkwind than they are at being Tangerine Dream. FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon May 11 11:44:49 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 15:44:49 +0000 Subject: HW: What now? Message-ID: >> Wow, that's disappointing. I don't know what more they can do. > > Produce an album without wasted synth twiddling tracks, put a decent > cover on it and promote it? Yeah, that was going to be my suggestion as well ;) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From mumford at ONLINE.NO Mon May 11 10:52:10 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 16:52:10 +0200 Subject: HW: What now? Message-ID: Strange Dream: Hawkwind as we know it (with Dave Brock) play a final farewell concert on New Years eve 1999 with Lemmy making a guest appearance, and Turner, Dettmar, Powell and the Pressurehed folks team up with Chadwick/Tree/Richards upon the new year under the tried and tested name of Hawkwind, after Doug Smith dies in an unspeakbly horrible freak accident. Dave Brock steps in and becomes the evil spliff smoking manager from the farm, maintaining the Hawkwind holographic VRML site, and making holographic guest appearances with the band now and then, and usually operating the synths telepathically. Nik Turner slips on a gigantic (genetically altered) bananapeel and breaks both legs clean off (too much smoking and not drinking enough milk), just two hours before the 40th anniversary gig in 2009 on top of the EBS building in NYC (shaped in the form of the LSD molecule), but shows up on an anti-grav floater and plays solo sax for half an hour after the show. For the 50th anniversary gig in 2019, in front of a massive 6-D multimedia alien's cut showing of Bladerunner projected onto our galaxy through wormholes operated by the abducted Steven Hawking (having chemically altered his name to Steven Hawkwind and revealing himself as the former human Steve Swann), Robert Calvert is virtually recloned by a select crew of telepathic scientists employed at Knut Gerwer's CalvertWorld in Florida, just in time for the Spirit Of The Age encore. The backing morse code track for the performance is in fact a radio pulse signalling the mindless Lords Of Chaos, contracted by the eternally hell-boiling spirit Doug Smith, to rerelease Chumbawumba's "Tubthumping" single as pure energy transmitted in to the mind of every living being in the universe, being the ultimate plan of the Church of Scientology. The by this time completely robotic Nik Turner/saxophone and the digital ghost of Dave Brock fuse into one cosmic being known as TUBROK THE ALTERER and suck the cosmic black hellsword from the otherdimensional realm of Steve Hawkind, impaling the cosmic energy vampire Azathoth/Arioch with the souls of 5 billion Hawkwind fans contained within it. In a massive blaze of telepathic feedback the earth is scorched in a blaze of black flames, wiping out all life on our planet, and TUBROK THE ALTERER is sucked into a mirror universe for all eternity to fight himself. As Steve Swann and the aliens arrive to take over, the resurrected Bob Calvert greets them with a wry smile on his face and says "It all went as planned kids...and Bob's yer uncle!", winking his third eye cleverly. Chr. From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon May 11 11:26:52 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 08:26:52 -0700 Subject: OFF: Alice Cooper Message-ID: >Hey, is this from a flick or an actual real quote? I was raised by the Corman (& thus usually Vincent Price) Poe flicks on late nite TV :) Chr. Well dude you know by now this is the intro to Alice Cooper's Black Widow. I find it very cool. Many thanks to that Righteous dude from New York, who shares the same name as a couple of "Robots" for providing me this. Uh Torgo is who I'm reffering too. Guy made me a recording of On the Inside (?) which is a theme piece about AC's time in the looney bin. Its Greet! Highly recommended if you can find it. Black Widow is from a different album so he included this and some other Cooper songs to fill out the tape. >ObFilm: Altered States - wiping out so many braincells tripping that one turns into a monkey. Loved this flick. One of only two William Hurt films I can sit through. Other being Kiss of the Spider Woman. Ghost in the Ruins "Sppooooooonnnnn!" - The Tick From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon May 11 11:32:05 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 08:32:05 -0700 Subject: OFF: ' Zilla Movie Message-ID: >Sadly, I suspect this movie isn't really for true Godzilla fans. >This IS sad, 'cuz I was planning on taking part of the day it was released off to go see it - BOC's Godzilla in it or not. Sigh. Well I still want to see it. "the original 'Zilla played well with some guy running around in a rubber suit knocking over toy tanks. Now I want to see what Industrial Light and Magic can do for the big guy. I hear there are at least three other monsters in this flick. Kind of wondered what kind of threat "zilla could be to mankind in the 90's. With the armaments we have today (spent uranium shells, cruise missles, air fuel bombs) it would not take long to reduce him to the worlds biggest bar-b-que. It ought to be interesting. Ghost in the Ruins "Like a great blue Salmon of justice the mighty Tick courses upstream to the very spawning ground of evil." The Tick From nexus at PANIX.COM Mon May 11 11:40:24 1998 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:40:24 -0400 Subject: OFF: Alice Cooper In-Reply-To: from "BREVARD, Adrian R." at May 11, 98 08:26:52 am Message-ID: >recording of On the Inside (?) which is a theme piece about AC's time in >From the Inside - also immortalized in a Marvel Comic. >the looney bin. Its Greet! Highly recommended if you can find it. >Black Widow is from a different album so he included this and some other >Cooper songs to fill out the tape. Black Widow is from, damn, Billion Dollar Babies (which has the duet with Donovan). At least I think BW is on BDB. JB > From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon May 11 12:33:55 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 12:33:55 -0400 Subject: HW: What now? In-Reply-To: <199805111457.QAA27479@online.no> Message-ID: Hey, Christian, why are you giving away the plot to the upcoming _X-Files_ film? Party pooper, you... ;-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Masters of Reality, _Masters of Reality_ (w/ "Doraldina's Prophecies") On Mon, 11 May 1998, Christian000Mumford wrote: > Strange Dream: Hawkwind as we know it (with Dave Brock) play a final > farewell concert on New Years eve 1999 with Lemmy making a guest > appearance, and Turner, Dettmar, Powell and the Pressurehed folks team up > with Chadwick/Tree/Richards upon the new year under the tried and tested > name of Hawkwind, after Doug Smith dies in an unspeakbly horrible freak > accident. Dave Brock steps in and becomes the evil spliff smoking manager > from the farm, maintaining the Hawkwind holographic VRML site, and making > holographic guest appearances with the band now and then, and usually [... etc. ...] From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon May 11 12:52:29 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 09:52:29 -0700 Subject: OFF: Albert King, another possibility Message-ID: >Albert King >Right! Who's this guy? Isn't it an old blues guy??? >haha, >Chr. >Yes, he's a old (now dead) blues guy. Albert King, high school basketball legend, city of New York -or- College All American at the University of Maryland, teamed on the front line with Buck Williams (Knicks) and Ernie ("no shots a bad shot for me") Graham. -or- Baby Brother of Berrnard ( "I can get 50 anytime") King. - Played a few years in the NBA never making a real splash. Really nice guy that Sports Illustrated termed the number one high school player in the land, his senior year and a can't miss pro in the future. Sadly for Albert it was pretty much downhill through college and the pros. Ooops this ain't the hoops list. Sorry. Ghost in the Ruins From mumford at ONLINE.NO Mon May 11 12:48:35 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 18:48:35 +0200 Subject: SV: HW: What now? Message-ID: > > Hey, Christian, why are you giving away the plot to the upcoming > _X-Files_ film? Party pooper, you... ;-) > > Cheers, > > Paul. Yeah, well guess why they fired me ;-) Chr. From fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU Mon May 11 13:05:08 1998 From: fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU (William Fuller) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 09:05:08 -0800 Subject: OFF: SNL/Godzilla soundtrack In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 10 May 1998, Paul Mather wrote: > I caught the appearance of Puff Daddy and Jimmy Page tonight on SNL. > Seems the Puff Daddy contribution to the _Godzilla_ film soundtrack is a > re-working of Led Zeppelin's "Kashmir." It sounded suitably intense on I don't know... I thought it sucked myself. Kind of pointless and Jimmy Page's contribution was negligible. -- William Fuller fswof at uaf.edu ICQ 1530842 http://members.tripod.com/~Zomb From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Mon May 11 13:15:39 1998 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 18:15:39 +0100 Subject: OFF: Alice Cooper Message-ID: Subject: Re: OFF: Alice Cooper >Black Widow is from, damn, Billion Dollar Babies (which has >the duet with Donovan). At least I think BW is on BDB. Nope. It`s from Welcome To My Nightmare. 1975. The track B$B on the album B$B does feature Donovan though. Si ----- "I`ve got 'some' answers to 'most' of your questions!" The Alice Cooper Trivia File - http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/intro.html From mumford at ONLINE.NO Mon May 11 14:04:28 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 20:04:28 +0200 Subject: OFF: Alice Cooper Message-ID: > Nope. It`s from Welcome To My Nightmare. 1975. > The track B$B on the album B$B does feature Donovan though. Wow! I'm a big Donovan fan (random tape trade alert! blip! blip!) And, the tracks from B$B on the AC Greatest Hits (thanx theo!) kick the most ass of them all on that tape, so it looks like B$B essential purchase... ying & yang, baby! Chr. > Si > "Don't go carvin' no happy face on my tombstone" - Beck > http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/intro.html From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon May 11 14:11:02 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 14:11:02 -0400 Subject: OFF: SNL/Godzilla soundtrack In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 11 May 1998, William Fuller wrote: > On Sun, 10 May 1998, Paul Mather wrote: > > > I caught the appearance of Puff Daddy and Jimmy Page tonight on SNL. > > Seems the Puff Daddy contribution to the _Godzilla_ film soundtrack is a > > re-working of Led Zeppelin's "Kashmir." It sounded suitably intense on > > I don't know... I thought it sucked myself. Kind of pointless and Jimmy > Page's contribution was negligible. I agree that Jimmy Page's contribution was insignificant (except for visual aesthetics:). However, I do think all that brass and strings going full bore, kompleat with guy ranting over the top was pretty intense. (Mind you, I guess many people might consider turning a HR sacred cow like "Kashmir" into a rap song to be rather sacrilegious.:) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Mick Abrahams, _All Said And Done_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Mulder, are you sure it wasn't a girly scream?" --- Scully From clemens at TRAIL.COM Mon May 11 15:02:29 1998 From: clemens at TRAIL.COM (Clemens) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 13:02:29 -0600 Subject: HW: What now? Message-ID: But, where does Michael Moorcock figure into this ? Mark clemens at trail.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon May 11 15:58:08 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 12:58:08 -0700 Subject: BOC: BFY 12" Message-ID: Hi, while poring through the vinyl at Amoeba Records (Berkeley version) this weekend, I ran across a copy of the "Burnin' For You" 12" with the live versions of "Dr. Music" and "Flaming Telepaths". There's probably a hardcore B?C fan on the list who needs it more than me, so I'll let it go to the first person who asks for it; I paid $4 + tax, and shipping should be another $3 or so ... call it $8 (obviously considerably more if you're in Europe)? -Doug ceres at sirius.com From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon May 11 16:08:55 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 16:08:55 -0400 Subject: BOC: BOC in Lynchburg, VA Message-ID: I just did a search on www.pollstar.com for Blue Oyster Cult gigs, and, to my amazement, they appear to be coming within striking distance of me! According to the list, they are coming to Lynchburg, VA on the Discordian high holy day of 23rd May. Alas, the venue is listed "To Be Announced." Does anyone on the AOL BOC forum know any more about this gig, or could maybe inquire on my behalf? BTW, it's ironic they choose Lynchburg: home of Liberty University, Jerry Falwell, et al (also reinforcing the significance of the date:)... Cheers, Paul. obCD: Cephas and Wiggins, _Cool Down_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From OE3 at AOL.COM Mon May 11 16:18:30 1998 From: OE3 at AOL.COM (OE3) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 16:18:30 EDT Subject: BOC: Los Angeles show Message-ID: i saw the cult over the weekend inside universal studios hollywood theme park. two daytime shows at 1 & 3:30 in the cozy nickleodeon theater (with bleachers, not seats) and no more than 100 fans. i only saw the 3:30 performance, which couldn't have lasted more than an hour, whereby they played cities on flame, harvest moon (terrific live, although hampered by keyboard malfunctioning during the first half of the song), see you in black, godzeera, last days of may and bucks boogie. also, i was pleasantly surprised to see the untouchable carmine appice join the band for the encore. unfortunately, i didn't catch the song title as i was too drunk and had to concentrate on keeping a steady gait after the show. anyone catch the first set? what songs? they were a LOT better than at the summerdaze concert last july, although two cheap solos during a less-than-an-hour set is still fuckin' LAME!!! allen lanier looked haggard per usual but they killed for a saturday afternoon!!! maybe next time maybe there'll be an ad or listing somewhere so an audience will be present. (no major l.a. area publication even mentioned the show!) From OE3 at AOL.COM Mon May 11 16:19:49 1998 From: OE3 at AOL.COM (OE3) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 16:19:49 EDT Subject: OFF: SNL/Godzilla soundtrack Message-ID: In a message dated 5/9/98 9:47:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU writes: << I caught the appearance of Puff Daddy and Jimmy Page tonight on SNL. Seems the Puff Daddy contribution to the _Godzilla_ film soundtrack is a re-working of Led Zeppelin's "Kashmir." It sounded suitably intense on SNL, and I could well imagine the big guy striding about to its "propulsive"[*] rhythms. Cheers, Paul. >> i though it blasphemy. fucking ridiculous interpretation. From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon May 11 16:42:49 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 21:42:49 +0100 Subject: OFF: SNL/Godzilla soundtrack In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Paul. > >obCD: Mick Abrahams, _All Said And Done_ > >e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu More info SVP ChrisW ObCD:"Site Anubis" - Paul Schutze & Phantom City "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Mon May 11 18:16:21 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (antisol _8) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 15:16:21 PDT Subject: HW: SD98/...US Tour??? Message-ID: In the week or so before the Strange Daze fest. in NY, didn't Hawkwind play in NY city and Chicago? Does anyone know if they will be playing anywhere else than Ohio this time It would be nice if they had a gig in Boston, as I can think of a great number of people offhand who would go to see them. I could even assist them in organising a show in the area. I can think of several clubs they'd have no trouble getting into, esp. the Emerald Isle where a friend of mine (his dad owns the place) frequently puts together shows with small crowds of about 30-60. wishful thinking... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Mon May 11 18:27:46 1998 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Hawkwinder) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 18:27:46 EDT Subject: HW: FANZINE SUBMISSIONS...DEADLINE Message-ID: hello people, the deadline for submissions to the latest issue of Hawk-U.S./Time & Space Fanzine is fast approaching. please have all articles, reviews, art, cartoons, photos, old newspaper/magazine clippings, tapes/discs for review and anything else that would help by June 1st of this year. if you have the work on diskette, you can e-mail me or mail the disk to me at: 503 S. Warminster Rd. F-2 Hatboro, PA 19040 USA i am working in Word Perfect 7.0 at this time, but can probly work with your format if needed. i've received some excellent articles so far and i expect more of its kind by the deadline...i'm targeting this list for 2 reasons, 1st and mainly there are plenty of hawkfans here and 2nd there is no shortage of peeps doing gig reviews etc..... any way.....visit me at this site: http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html e-mail me at: Hawkwinder at aol.com thank you bob lennon From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon May 11 18:57:04 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 18:57:04 -0400 Subject: HW: SD98/...US Tour??? Message-ID: antisol asks... >In the week or so before the Strange Daze fest. in NY, didn't Hawkwind >play in NY city and Chicago? Does anyone know if they will be playing >anywhere else than Ohio this time Don't know, but I certainly hope so. It would seem the right thing to do, as the costs involved in an overseas flight etc. would be enough to overwhelm any proceeds from a single performance. >It would be nice if they had a gig in Boston, as I can think of a great number >of people offhand who would go to see them. I could even assist them in >organising a show in the area. I can think of several clubs they'd have no >trouble getting into, esp. the Emerald Isle where a friend of mine (his dad >owns the place) frequently puts together shows with small crowds of about >30-60. wishful thinking... Well, you must not have been around in 1995, when they had a miserable time getting a gig scheduled there, despite the large number of folks in the Boston area who were pleading for them to come. In the end, it never did happen. I think the place in question was Mama Kin, or maybe that little underground 'hole in the wall' I heard about (what was the name?). Whatever, all of the Bostonians had to drive down to Toads in New Haven to catch them. I'd say, 'Go for it' as far as trying to put a show together there, as it would seem that Chris Bruce (or whoever was trying to put it together last time) didn't meet with success. Have you talked to Jim Lascko about it?? Keith H. (FAA) ObHW-Rush connection: I guess the Rush album 'A Farewell to Kings' was recorded at Rockfield studios in Monmouth (now Gwent), Wales, a long-time HW recording site. Also, the 'Kings' in the title is apparently a reference to 'Kingsley,' the guy who runs that studio, and who was responsible for sitting on the RCA album tapes for years and years, until Rob Godwin finally badgered him into releasing them for CD reissue. From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Mon May 11 19:08:36 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (antisol _8) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 16:08:36 PDT Subject: OFF:Scientology! (Re: HW: What now?) Message-ID: > being the ultimate plan of the Church of >Scientology. T Watch out for those guys! They're sinister. Once I was approached by one and out of curiosity (and the fact it was pouring rain and I had nowhere to go) accepted her invitation to take a "free personality test"...... I was in there for 3 1/2 hours. They prey on the vulnerable and lonely by telling them they're even worse off than they really are, and forcing them to accept "the Church" as the only solution to their terrible problems. There's really no way out of there, you have to sign all sorts of documents ( I lied that I was over 18 and gave the alias Jerry Cornelius [reeeal creative i know], as well as the tel# of my favorite Chinese take-out restaurant). They demanded I pay them $78 immediately I said I only had 20 They asked if I coud write a check then I said I only had $35 in my checking account They said a $55 'deposit' would do until i could give them the rest I asked why I needed to give them this 'deposit' when they hadn't give n me anything for them to lose money on, furthermore why I should have to go broke for the next week or so... "You promised to help yourself, and you have to begin by taking this step [blah blah]" I then told them what I thought of them and their 'E-meter', one of their Scientific Discoveries they tried to hook me with... Supposedly, this ridiculous looking device measured the emotional response of the brain, when in fact I knew that it simply measured skin resistance, like a toy lie detector. It was in essence, a large, spiffed up ammeter. They did not understand this, and while they assured me they knew of its operation in detail, they could not explain or produce a schematic diagram of its internal circuitry. I remembered I had told them earlier I was an engineering student at MIT (lying of course), and how they did not seem unsettled by this. Apparently they didn't even know it was a complete crock. They had all been brainwashed... Even after this incident, when they finally realized they wouldn't get me, they made a last ditch effort to take money from me by pulling the old Hare Krishna 'take these books with you' stunt! ........................ I remember at one point I was left alone in the room for a minute or so, and i went over to another person (a man of about 35) being detained like myself, and gave him my analysis of what they were doing. Not affected in the slightest he responded with a bright look in his eyes "oh really, from what I've heard about these guys they really help people out!" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Mon May 11 19:38:58 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (antisol _8) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 16:38:58 PDT Subject: HW: SD98/...US Tour??? Message-ID: >In the end, it never did happen. I think the place in question was >Mama Kin, Thank god, I'd be ashamed to play there! :) That place is owned by Aerosmith. It's on Landstowne St. with all the other horrible poppy glamourish venues. Added on to that it's right next to Fenway Park so there's loads of drunken baseball fanatics milling about. They'd wander in and stare stupidly at the spectacle before them. After the show they'd mob and beat Elric to a bloody pulp. >or maybe that little underground 'hole in the wall' I heard about >(what was the name?). The Ratskeller (a.k.a. the 'Rat')? That closed last summer. Poor thing, it really was a good place. I was thinking more along the lines of the Middle East (Cambridge), this Emerald Isle place, and possibly a warehouse floor I know of that some friends of mine used to rent (the last would be tricky, but well worth it, since it allows for a light show). >Whatever, all of the Bostonians had to drive down to Toads in New >Haven to catch them. Closer than Ohio! :) >Have you talked to Jim Lascko about it?? I haven't. Actually I'm not too familiar with the crowd on this list, I joined simply out of curiosity. The idea was only a suggestion, but i'd really like to do this (and could).I suppose I'd better get going on it soon. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon May 11 20:32:57 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 20:32:57 -0400 Subject: HW: SD98/...US Tour??? Message-ID: antisol continues... >>In the end, it never did happen. I think the place in question was >>Mama Kin, > >Thank god, I'd be ashamed to play there! :) That place is owned by >Aerosmith. It's on Landstowne St. with all the other horrible poppy >glamourish venues. Added on to that it's right next to Fenway Park so >there's loads of drunken baseball fanatics milling about. They'd wander >in and stare stupidly at the spectacle before them. After the show >they'd mob and beat Elric to a bloody pulp. Well, didn't HW once play at the Glam Slam (the club owned by the artist formerly known as Prince) in Minneapolis?? Or was that the Ozrics?? And I saw HW at the Cubby Bear in Chicago back in 1990 (I think), which is right across the street from Wrigley Field (it was November, though). I was there hours ahead of time, and while sitting at the bar talking to Richard, I was trying to explain to him about the 'historical' site across the street. I don't think he understood or really cared. :) I also remember that gig as being the absolute very loudest HW show of the 15 I've seen!! I didn't really care at the time, though, as I was only partially conscious....I guess I just didn't realise that if you get there at 5 p.m., and the show starts at 10 p.m., five hours of drinking might actually lead to such a condition. :) Actually, I don't mind attending concerts in seemingly inappropriate venues, as long as the Hawkfans take over the scene. And even then, it was kinda neat (and different) to see the HW show at the Limelight, with its odd cast of characters (I won't bring up the entertainment between sets for those who remember that heated discussion). Esp. since I saw something like 6 shows in 8 daze....it was certainly different, and the powerful PA (but not noisy like Chicago) gave the sound a very distinct character from all the other shows I saw that tour. It was the same for Fish in Toronto where he played at a dance club-type venue (the Government). Those places tend to have really topline sound systems, and *occasionally* they should actually be allowed to put some good music through them!! Otherwise, they go to waste. >>or maybe that little underground 'hole in the wall' I heard about >>(what was the name?). > >The Ratskeller (a.k.a. the 'Rat')? That closed last summer. Poor thing, >it really was a good place. >I was thinking more along the lines of the Middle East (Cambridge), this >Emerald Isle place, and possibly a warehouse floor I know of that some >friends of mine used to rent (the last would be tricky, but well worth >it, since it allows for a light show). Oh yeah, the Middle East. I think *that* was the place they were supposed to be at three years ago. But I still think the Mama Kin was also considered once the Middle East booked other bands instead. Good luck...Keith H. (FAA) From Hawklord57 at AOL.COM Mon May 11 23:51:08 1998 From: Hawklord57 at AOL.COM (Hawklord57) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 23:51:08 EDT Subject: HW: Time of the Hawklords Message-ID: Hello all Hawklords and Hawkladies, I have recently come across a rare find. I have a copy of a paperback book titled Time of the Hawklords, by Moorcock and Butterworth. It is published by Warner Books, seems the print date is 1976. It is in very good condition. What might this be worth? I would be willing to trade this, but I need an idea of what should ask. Any and all offers will be entertained. I am not going to hold an auction or anything like that, if interested , email privately. In about a week, I will consider the offers, and decide which is best. Actually I am trading this, because they had 2 copies where I found it, and bought both! As always, Lost in Space Duane From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Tue May 12 00:12:25 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (SPRAWL) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 00:12:25 -0400 Subject: HW: SD98/...US Tour??? Message-ID: Keith Henderson wrote: > Oh yeah, the Middle East. I think *that* was the place they were supposed > to be at three years ago. But I still think the Mama Kin was also > considered once the Middle East booked other bands instead. > > Good luck...Keith H. (FAA) this is right. i remember it well, because it was only days after hearing that this was being arranged that i noticed philadelphia's Middle East culb. a small, tight place that gets (_got_, i think they just recently got closed down) a LOT of great gigs. {Gong played there, incredible gig.) rj From dawa at INTCON.NET Tue May 12 00:55:16 1998 From: dawa at INTCON.NET (Dawa) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 23:55:16 -0500 Subject: Los Angeles show Message-ID: i saw the cult over the weekend inside universal studios hollywood theme park. two daytime shows at 1 & 3:30 in the cozy nickleodeon theater (with bleachers, not seats) and no more than 100 fans. i only saw the 3:30 performance, which couldn't have lasted more than an hour, whereby they played cities on flame, harvest moon (terrific live, although hampered by keyboard malfunctioning during the first half of the song), see you in black, godzeera, last days of may and bucks boogie. also, i was pleasantly surprised to see the untouchable carmine appice join the band for the encore. unfortunately, i didn't catch the song title as i was too drunk and had to concentrate on keeping a steady gait after the show. anyone catch the first set? what songs? they were a LOT better than at the summerdaze concert last july, although two cheap solos during a less-than-an-hour set is still fuckin' LAME!!! allen lanier looked haggard per usual but they killed for a saturday afternoon!!! maybe next time maybe there'll be an ad or listing somewhere so an audience will be present. (no major l.a. area publication even mentioned the show!) Were they on before or after the puppet show? Dawa Thats kind of sad. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2100 bytes Desc: not available URL: From C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK Tue May 12 04:52:32 1998 From: C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 09:52:32 +0100 Subject: HW: What now? Message-ID: Scott Heller wrote: > I was just thinking about Distant Horizons, the latest HW studio > lp, and someone told me that it only sold like 2-3000 copies worldwide... > Is there really only this small of a market for HW? What the hell can the > band do to increase their sales and therefore be able to support more live > shows? Or, do we just have to accept that Dave is reaching the mid-50's and > now wants to enjoy is life on the farm not really rock out anymore.... Whenever I go into a record shop I look at the HW CDs and they are almost all rip-off compilations. They can only increase their profile in the shops by stopping these things. In my view if shops removed all HW compilations they would sell more legitimate albums. They also need to advertise properly. The last and DH were not advertised - no posters, no press ads. How is anyone to know that they're touring or releasing material? Most HW fans are now ageing and probably don't read the music press anymore and so don't see gig listings. Any band needs either to generate good word of mouth or advertise widely outside the music press. As for the volums of sales, I read recently that the last Danii Minogue album sold below 10,000 copies and Kylies last effort topped out below the 20,000 mark and they (Kylie in particular) were much much bigger than HW ever were. Chris Bates From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue May 12 03:23:42 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 08:23:42 +0100 Subject: HW: What now? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Scott Heller writes > I was just thinking about Distant Horizons, the latest HW studio >lp, and someone told me that it only sold like 2-3000 copies worldwide... What's the source of this? I'm sure it's a little higher, maybe not a great deal but a little. As long as you don't overproduce, you market properly you could get by on not much more. They do have a *fair* bit of back catalogue providing an income stream. >Is there really only this small of a market for HW? What the hell can the >band do to increase their sales and therefore be able to support more live >shows? A agent that knows how to promote? e.g. Not blocking high profile collaborations like the ill-fated Orb remix back when the Orb were #1 in the album charts. Not losing all your best musicians to "musical differences". Like Alan, for instance. >Or, do we just have to accept that Dave is reaching the mid-50's and >now wants to enjoy is life on the farm not really rock out anymore.... I don't think that's really the problem. Dave works as hard as anyone. I don't actually think there was a problem until Alan was de-selected. -- Jon From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Tue May 12 06:03:25 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:03:25 +0000 Subject: HW: Time of the Hawklords In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello Duane, >I have recently come across a rare find. I have a copy of a paperback book >titled Time of the Hawklords, by Moorcock and Butterworth. >It is published by Warner Books, seems the print date is 1976. It is in very >good condition. >What might this be worth? It depends where you sell it really. Now and again, they pop up in small ads in various HW 'zines usually for about ?5.00-?8.00 over here in the UK. I once saw a copy in a record store here in London, signed by Mike Butterworth, Brock, Turner, Langton,Bainbridge and just about all the Hawks/ex-Hawks who attended the 1985 Hawkon in Manchester. I recall the asking price for that gem was ?15.00. (which doesn't say much for the value of the book - normally, on LP's the going rate is an extra ?15.00 per signature!) Good luck with selling it! - It really is a dire story! Guy T. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue May 12 06:24:00 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 11:24:00 +0100 Subject: OFF: (-ish) Misc CDs Message-ID: Just got a couple of tangentially on-topic CDs in the mail this morning: _Human Garbage_ by the Deviants (which of course I had on LP, but nice to have on CD, from Japan's wonderful Captain Trip label) - features Larry Wallis and Wayne Kramer, "Police Car", "Ramblin' Rose", and a Zappa cover ("Trouble Coming Every Day", with Clint Eastwood on harmonica), all live at Dingwall's in '84. (No, not *that* Clint Eastwood.) and... _Red Star_ by the Panther Moderns, John Shirley's outfit. Very competent, but I felt rather po-faced, like he's taking it all too seriously. Can't see it getting too many repeat plays. (How are those tapes coming along, by the way???) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue May 12 04:33:13 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 09:33:13 +0100 Subject: HW: Time of the Hawklords In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Hawklord57 writes >Hello all Hawklords and Hawkladies, > >I have recently come across a rare find. I have a copy of a paperback book >titled Time of the Hawklords, by Moorcock and Butterworth. >It is published by Warner Books, seems the print date is 1976. It is in very >good condition. >What might this be worth? I would be willing to trade this, but I need an >idea of what should ask. Any and all offers will be entertained. I am not >going to hold an auction or anything like that, if interested , email >privately. In about a week, I will consider the offers, and decide which is >best. Actually I am trading this, because they had 2 copies where I found it, >and bought both! > >As always, >Lost in Space > >Duane 5 bucks would be a stiff price. It's not particularly scarce, and moreover the demand ain't what it was, either. -- Jon Browne From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue May 12 08:38:11 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 08:38:11 -0400 Subject: OFF:Scientology! (Re: HW: What now?) Message-ID: Wow - I had a similar experience with these folks in Boston about 12 years ago. I was walking down the street and was offered their free "personality test" - while I was in there taking the "test", one of there folks was badgering this woman who had just finished - they were trying to get her to buy L. Ron Hubbard's "Dianetics" book. As I recall, there were 2 versions - some sort of abridged one and the full one. The woman had agreed that she could probably buy the abridged version, but didn't have enough $$ on hand for the full version - yet they tried to convince her to buy that one. When she said that she wouldn't have enough $$ to get home on the subway, they asked if she'd be willing to go home and get the $$ to buy the full version. I was shocked because this woman didn't look like she had too much extra money to spend, and she seemed sincerely concerned about buying the abridged version. I don't remember how I got out of there, but I do recall that I wasn't going to allow myself to be subjected to their spiel - probably made up some lame excuse like I forgot that I was late for some appointment, and got the hell out of there. John From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue May 12 04:52:48 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 08:52:48 +0000 Subject: Off: Mountain (no BOC/HW) Message-ID: > > while talking Mountain, anyone knows why Gail Collins shot Felix > > Pappalardi? > > Probably because he kept playing Nantucket bloody Sleighride. Drive anyone > to violence :)) > Don't really know for sure, but I heard somewhere that the relationship between David St. Hubbins and his girlfriend (She's not my girlfriend!) or wife (She's not my wife!) in Spinal Tap was based at least in part on Gail and Felix. In fact, I believe that in the liner notes to Over the Top, Leslie talks about how much of an influence Gail was on Felix...right down to telling him how to dress (like a walking pawn shop, as Leslie put it, BTW). -- Nick From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Tue May 12 10:09:29 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 14:09:29 +0000 Subject: HW: INNER CITY UNIT CD-ROM In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Howdy folks Just got the CD-rom of EVERYTHING that ICU ever released: Check out Steve's site: http://www.doremi.co.uk/icu for details On the CD-rom (and all for a mere fifteen quid!!!) 1.Passout - The whole album plus the bonus tracks that came on the CD. 2.Maximum Effect - Whole Album 3.Punkadelic - Whole Album 4.Newanatomy - Whole Album 5.Presidents Tapes - Whole Album 6.Blood & Bone - Whole EP 7.All singles that are not on the albums 8.Erstaz by The Imperial Pompadours - Whole Album 9.Photos Over 120 photos digitised 10.Videos 5 full Videos: Help Sharks, Blood & Bone, Paint Your Windows White, Little Black Egg & Brainstorm (live) 11.Live Show An hours worth of ICU in great live form. (13 tracks) 12.Demos 4 Songs demo`d for the next ICU album that never was.. 13.More Demos All the Demos for the "Maximum Effect" album including songs that never made it onto record (17 tracks) Quite a superb bit of completeists worst nightmare come true! - Really a worthwhile purchase (even just to find a copy of Raj Neesh again!) OK you can't play it on your Hi-Fi but it is superb value for money! Thanks again Steve. Guy T. From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue May 12 09:56:25 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 08:56:25 -0500 Subject: No subject Message-ID: >LOT better than at the summerdaze concert last july, although two cheap solos during a less-than-an-hour set is still fuckin' LAME!!! Not a real good time it seems. Can't really do much in 60 minutes. If they had played the Vigil though show would have been worth every penny. >allen lanier looked haggard per usual but they killed for a saturday afternoon!!! Hehehehehe... I think the "Haggard Look" works well for Allen. Gotta admit he ain't no more haggard looking now than he was say five years ago, about the same. L8er Ghost in the Ruins "In the night I heard a whisper asking me to understand in the dessert look for water on the ocean look for land." From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue May 12 11:35:05 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 11:35:05 -0400 Subject: HW: Time of the Hawklords In-Reply-To: <4pLhiUBJlAW1Ew5o@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 May 1998, Jon Browne wrote: > 5 bucks would be a stiff price. It's not particularly scarce, and > moreover the demand ain't what it was, either. Not particularly scarce especially in view of the fact that it was reprinted and bundled with a Griffin re-release (QS&C or maybe ASAM). (Eventually, they'd sell it to you without the CD, and vice versa.) I bought my copy, mint, original first edition, for about three or four quid, from a used book dealer. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Carlos Santana and Buddy Miles, _Live!_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From corwyn at GLOBAL2000.NET Tue May 12 13:14:59 1998 From: corwyn at GLOBAL2000.NET (Michael S. Habiby) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:14:59 -0400 Subject: your strange dream Message-ID: Christian: Now that was great. Right out of wilson's Illuminatus! books. -- Mike Habiby If this note should tend to roam Box it's ears and sent it home to: http://www.members.global2000.net/~corwyn This space for rent: Contact http://www.marketinggonecrazy.not From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Tue May 12 14:06:49 1998 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 18:06:49 GMT Subject: HW: INNER CITY UNIT CD-ROM In-Reply-To: <0429091412051998/A03655/LNMV02/11C563891C00*@MHS> Message-ID: Thanks Guy! Actually you *can* play it on your hi-fi, but I`m not telling how.. :) -Steve -www.doremi.co.uk On Tue, 12 May 1998 14:09:29 +0000, you sent through the ether: >OK you can't play it on your Hi-Fi but it is superb value for money! > >Thanks again Steve. From mumford at ONLINE.NO Tue May 12 15:10:12 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 21:10:12 +0200 Subject: OFF:Scientology! (Re: HW: What now?) Message-ID: > > Watch out for those guys! They're sinister. All the more reason to f**k with those robot psychos. I saw something about how they drove CAN (Cult Awareness Network) bankrupt because they were spreading information against the Scientologists, bought them up, and now if you call CAN up cause you desperately need help, being in massive debt to the Scientologists... then well, good luck, cause you are talking to them!!! :) > Once I was approached by one > and out of curiosity (and the fact it was pouring rain and I had nowhere > to go) accepted her invitation to take a "free personality > test"...... sure, sure ;-) > I was in there for 3 1/2 hours. They prey on the > vulnerable and lonely by telling them they're even worse off than they > really are, and forcing them to accept "the Church" as the only solution > to their terrible problems. Its hard to beleive people swallow that line, but I guess they do... being sponsored by Hollywood and all... (Tom Cruise, if you are reading this, I can't think of a decent movie with your name on it ;-) > There's really no way out of there, you have > to sign all sorts of documents ( I lied that I was over 18 and gave the > alias Jerry Cornelius [reeeal creative i know], as well as the tel# of > my favorite Chinese take-out restaurant). They demanded I pay them $78 immediately That's where the huge gap in logic is isn't it??? > I said I only had 20 > They asked if I coud write a check then > I said I only had $35 in my checking account > They said a $55 'deposit' would do until i could give them the rest > I asked why I needed to give them this 'deposit' when they hadn't give n > me anything for them to lose money on, furthermore why I should have to > go broke for the next week or so... > > "You promised to help yourself, and you have to begin by taking this > step [blah blah]" Oh, my heeeeavy guilt trip! I'd love to be screened by those folks on two hits of acid >gibber< > I then told them what I thought of them and their 'E-meter', one of > their Scientific Discoveries they tried to hook me with... > > Supposedly, this ridiculous looking device measured the emotional > response of the brain, when in fact I knew that it simply measured skin > resistance, like a toy lie detector. It was in essence, a large, spiffed > up ammeter. They did not understand this, and while they assured me they > knew of its operation in detail, they could not explain or produce a > schematic diagram of its internal circuitry. > I remembered I had told them earlier I was an engineering student at MIT > (lying of course), and how they did not seem unsettled by this. > Apparently they didn't even know it was a complete crock. They had all > been brainwashed... "garbage in = garbage out" - simpler to pick apart than an E-Meter.... > Even after this incident, when they finally realized they wouldn't get > me, they made a last ditch effort to take money from me by pulling the > old Hare Krishna 'take these books with you' stunt! Yeah, but the Bhagavad Gita has much better illustrations, plus the HK folks aren't f**king crazy (quite the contrary ;-) > ........................ > I remember at one point I was left alone in the room for a minute or so, > and i went over to another person (a man of about 35) being detained > like myself, and gave him my analysis of what they were doing. Not > affected in the slightest he responded with a bright look in his eyes > "oh really, from what I've heard about these guys they really help > people out!" Happy happy, joy joy! pip-pip etc, Chr. "Don't go carvin' no happy face on my tombstone" - Beck From mumford at ONLINE.NO Tue May 12 16:12:50 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 22:12:50 +0200 Subject: SV: HW: Time of the Hawklords Message-ID: > moreover the demand ain't what it was, either. No, not since I got my copy a couple of years back :) > -- > Jon Browne Chr. "Don't go carvin' no happy face on my tombstone" - Beck From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Tue May 12 16:56:12 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (antisol _8) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:56:12 PDT Subject: OFF:Scientology! (Re: HW: What now?) Message-ID: >I don't remember how I got out of there, but I do >recall that I wasn't going to allow myself to be subjected to their >spiel - probably made up some lame excuse like I forgot that I was late >for some appointment, and got the hell out of there. > >John Geez that story sounds real familiar! I kept thinking afterwards how they might have ended up getting some cash from me if I had been in a less lively mood that day... I remember about two years ago they (the same place near Newbury St) actually kidnapped someone! I dont think the person pressed charges... I hadn't even heard of Scientology before that, the only reason I remember the incident was that I could see my friend's apartment in the picture when it was on the news. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Tue May 12 17:05:01 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (antisol _8) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 14:05:01 PDT Subject: HW: Time of the Hawklords Message-ID: >On Tue, 12 May 1998, Jon Browne wrote: > >> 5 bucks would be a stiff price. It's not particularly scarce, and >> moreover the demand ain't what it was, either. > >Not particularly scarce especially in view of the fact that it was >reprinted and bundled with a Griffin re-release (QS&C or maybe ASAM). >(Eventually, they'd sell it to you without the CD, and vice versa.) > >I bought my copy, mint, original first edition, for about three or four >quid, from a used book dealer. > >Cheers, > >Paul. I've actually been interested in that book since I heard about it. I've never really seen it anywhere (not that I've looked too hard)... Anyway, I'd be perfectly willing to pay something for it (i could send a check or cash in english/irish pounds) plus post of course. gimme yer address. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Tue May 12 17:21:20 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (antisol _8) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 14:21:20 PDT Subject: HW: Time of the Hawklords Message-ID: >I've actually been interested in that book since I heard about it. I've >never really seen it anywhere (not that I've looked too hard)... Anyway, >I'd be perfectly willing to pay something for it (i could send a >check or cash in english/irish pounds) plus post of course. gimme yer >address. ^^^^^^^^--(E-mail address) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM Tue May 12 18:59:26 1998 From: john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM (john.m.gray) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 15:59:26 -0700 Subject: HW Time of the Hawklords Message-ID: I bought a hardcover 1st edition with a beautiful dust jacket for $25. John From mumford at ONLINE.NO Tue May 12 20:32:19 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 02:32:19 +0200 Subject: HW Time of the Hawklords Message-ID: > I bought a hardcover 1st edition with a beautiful dust jacket for $25. > John And I am L. Ron Hubbard- "Don't go carvin' no happy face on my tombstone" - Beck From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Tue May 12 23:11:54 1998 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 13:11:54 +1000 Subject: OFF:Scientology! (Re: HW: What now?) Message-ID: At 21:10 12/05/98 +0200, Christian000Mumford wrote: >> >> Watch out for those guys! They're sinister. > >All the more reason to f**k with those robot psychos. I saw something about >how they drove CAN (Cult Awareness Network) bankrupt because they were >spreading information against the Scientologists, bought them up, and now >if you call CAN up cause you desperately need help, being in massive debt >to the Scientologists... then well, good luck, cause you are talking to >them!!! :) Let?s not forget that these nuts called themsleves a "church" in 1976 (here in Australia), in order to get in on tax shelters. I was under the idea that they have not received church status in many countries. That same year , the Government of Victoria commissioned a report to discover why so many patients in mental institutions were Scientologists . It was called "The Anderson Report". It concluded that the practices of Scientology led to many cases of schizophrenia and certainly multiple personality disorder. They are dangerous and their psychology is shoddy. As for Cult Awareness Network, they are still going. But, in most countries they are led by poorly trained and equipped people. As a matter of fact, I asked the leader of CAN here in Australia to define for me what a cult actually is. To this day I received no answer. It seems that so many people involved in this are ex-members of pseudo-Christian cults, such as JW's and Mormons and the like, and that they themselves still need help themselves. Some of them define cults as "controlling groups or leaders", and others, sadly, as "anyone who disagrees with me and is committed to thier beliefs". Troy =========================================== Troy Harris fiskare at webconcept.com.au From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue May 12 23:02:48 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:02:48 -0400 Subject: OFF: Scientology! (Re: HW: What now?) In-Reply-To: <199805130311.NAA23918@shell-01.webconcept.com.au> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 May 1998, Troy Harris wrote: > Let?s not forget that these nuts called themsleves a "church" in 1976 (here > in Australia), in order to get in on tax shelters. I was under the idea > that they have not received church status in many countries. Ironically, Germany is getting a lot of stick lately because of its handling of the "Church" of Scientology. As far as I recall, they are deeming the "Church" is, in fact, a slick business operation designed to extract maximum cash out of its "followers," and that such an organisation is not a nice thing to allow to flourish. (Wow, talk about calling a spade a spade!) The "Church," in turn, is crying "religious persecution" and trying to make out that their fate parallels that of the Jews under the Nazis. Alas, the Jews will have none of it, and actually find it quite offensive to have the holocaust compared in this way. Not to worry. I'm sure the enormous legal arm of the "Church" of Scientology will manage to overcome the German government (and all other SPs ["Suppressive Persons"] who stand in the way of Scientology). :-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Santana, _Caravanserai_ PS: Yes, Scientologists are scary folks. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From mordru at GEKKO.NET Tue May 12 23:07:49 1998 From: mordru at GEKKO.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:07:49 -0400 Subject: OFF:Scientology! (Re: HW: What now?) Message-ID: >Let?s not forget that these nuts called themsleves a "church" in 1976 (here >in Australia), in order to get in on tax shelters. I was under the idea >that they have not received church status in many countries. Unfortunately they finally got it here in the U.S., primarily by creating and financing anti I.R.S. (tax collection agency) groups and investigating private lives of prominant IRS agents until the IRS finally gave in and granted them their status... Also, there is the matter of a woman in Tampa who died after they removed her from medical treatment after she had threatened to leave the "church"... ==================================== Roger Shrubstaff, GM of Reeves == Tension, Duchy of Silverwater == Apprehension, http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= and Dissension (Andrew A. Apold) == have begun. ==================================== -Alfred Bester From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Tue May 12 23:55:03 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (antisol _8) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 20:55:03 PDT Subject: OFF: Scientology! Message-ID: Now I'm really starting to HATE these people. I'm gonna spend Sat afternoon watching their street units and moving in on them every time they manage to snare someone. Is anyone on this list a member of the Church? :) Meanwhile... I've been heavily into N20 recently. The stuff is cheap, legal, non-addictive, and makes you feel f***ing incredible! There's gotta be some sort of terrible side effect i'm sure. Is anyone an ex-user, or does anyone have accurate information about it? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Wed May 13 01:08:49 1998 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:08:49 -0500 Subject: OFF: SNL/Godzilla soundtrack Message-ID: On Sun, 10 May 1998 00:47:30 -0400 Paul Mather wrote: >I caught the appearance of Puff Daddy and Jimmy Page >tonight on SNL. >Seems the Puff Daddy contribution to the _Godzilla_ film >soundtrack is a re-working of Led Zeppelin's "Kashmir." >It sounded suitably intense on SNL, and I could well >imagine the big guy striding about to its propulsive >rhythms. As an individual with an admitted bias against rap, I must interject my loathing for this particular reworking of "Kashmir". No, I'm not shouting 'blasphemy' because someone ruined a classic Zep song or anything like that, it's something much more annoying. It really irks me that someone - *anyone* - can interject so many "Yeah"s and "Uh-huh"s into a song and still think he's so cool. It was unnecessarily foolish. Damon "Uh-huh. ... Yeah. ... Uh-huh. ... Yeah. ... Uh-huh. ... Yeah. ... Uh-huh. ... Yeah. ... Check dis out!" - Puff Daddy "Dammit! I forgot the freakin' lyrics again." - Puff Daddy to self, while reciting his mantra, which is supposedly to be kept a secret, though the whole nation knows it by now From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Wed May 13 01:08:53 1998 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:08:53 -0500 Subject: OFF: Scientology! Message-ID: L. Ron Hubbard came up with a few somewhat spiffy ideas, and presented it to a number of scientists. Everyone to whom he presented it mentioned what hogwash it was - all of it. So, since no one could accept his writings as "science", he changed the wording, and called it "religion". Suddenly he got huge publishing offers, and "Dianetics" and a significant facet of Scientology were born. Sad... Damon From sdavmor at MCIONE.COM Wed May 13 02:15:26 1998 From: sdavmor at MCIONE.COM (S. Davies-Morris) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:15:26 -0700 Subject: HW Time of the Hawklords Message-ID: "Dianetics" -- the best piece of science-fiction L. Ron Hubbard ever penned... Regards Steven Davies-Morris Please note my new email address sdavmor at mcione.com =================================================== -----Original Message----- From: Christian000Mumford To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Tuesday, May 12, 1998 6:41 PM Subject: Re: HW Time of the Hawklords >> I bought a hardcover 1st edition with a beautiful dust jacket for $25. >> John > >And I am L. Ron Hubbard- > > >"Don't go carvin' no happy face on my tombstone" > - Beck From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Wed May 13 00:43:37 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 04:43:37 +0000 Subject: OFF: Scientology! (Re: HW: What now?) Message-ID: > Not to worry. I'm sure the enormous legal arm of the "Church" of > Scientology will manage to overcome the German government (and all other > SPs ["Suppressive Persons"] who stand in the way of Scientology). :-) > > Cheers, > > Paul. What's most frightening to me is that we've got people like John Travolta, Kirstie Alley and a shitload of other celebrities asking our government help strong-arm Germany into accepting Scientology as a religion; not to mention that these celebrities, who have so much influence on so many people, are actually practicing it themselves. -- Nick From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Wed May 13 06:07:38 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 10:07:38 +0000 Subject: HW: INNER CITY UNIT CD-ROM In-Reply-To: <35598f47.1047699@post.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: >Actually you *can* play it on your hi-fi, but I`m not telling how.. :) > >-Steve -www.doremi.co.uk > > Aw go on Steve, gis' a clue! From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed May 13 06:36:05 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 12:36:05 +0200 Subject: OFF: Scientology! Message-ID: > > Now I'm really starting to HATE these people. I'm gonna spend Sat > afternoon watching their street units and moving in on them every time > they manage to snare someone. > > Is anyone on this list a member of the Church? :) I think Tom Cruise is :) > > Meanwhile... I've been heavily into N20 recently. The stuff is cheap, > legal, non-addictive, and makes you feel f***ing incredible! There's > gotta be some sort of terrible side effect i'm sure. Is anyone an > ex-user, or does anyone have accurate information about it? Have you heard of the wonderful drug treatment program us at the Church of Scientology help so many people into getting their lives back in order with? Its your first step to reaching Clear and being able to live for the first time as you truly should, in control of those emotions, those dirty evil feelings! C'mon, it's only 78 bucks to sign some papers and for a quick piss test, and we're ready to fleece you for life !! wooh! fork up the greens, druggie! Chr. (Sea Org, drug division) "Don't go carvin' no happy face on my tombstone" - Beck From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed May 13 06:41:34 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 12:41:34 +0200 Subject: HW: INNER CITY UNIT CD-ROM Message-ID: > > >Actually you *can* play it on your hi-fi, but I`m not telling how.. :) > > > >-Steve > -www.doremi.co.uk > > > > > Aw go on Steve, gis' a clue! Just buy the proper cables and stick em in the proper holes in each proper and desired component! Fairly intuitive it is. Chr. "Don't go carvin' no happy face on my tombstone" - Beck From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed May 13 07:35:20 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 07:35:20 EDT Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > > > >allen lanier looked haggard per usual but they killed for a saturday > afternoon!!! > > Hehehehehe... I think the "Haggard Look" works well for Allen. Gotta > admit he ain't no more haggard looking now than he was say five years > ago, about the same. > Hey, he looked like shit 20 years ago, but he's still one of the coolest dudes in rock... theo ________________________________ ...'Cause it makes me mad, and I get evil as a man can be." --A.K. _______________________________ From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed May 13 07:38:01 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 13:38:01 +0200 Subject: OFF:Scientology tentacles Message-ID: > >All the more reason to f**k with those robot psychos. I saw something about > >how they drove CAN (Cult Awareness Network) bankrupt because they were > >spreading information against the Scientologists, bought them up, and now > >if you call CAN up cause you desperately need help, being in massive debt > >to the Scientologists... then well, good luck, cause you are talking to > >them!!! :) > Troy writes: > As for Cult Awareness Network, they are still going. But, in most > countries they are led by poorly trained and equipped people. Yes, and the California branch is run by the Church of Scientology (at least according to 60 Minutes, but then... :-) As a matter > of fact, I asked the leader of CAN here in Australia to define for me what a > cult actually is. To this day I received no answer. It seems that so many > people involved in this are ex-members of pseudo-Christian cults, such as > JW's and Mormons and the like, and that they themselves still need help > themselves. Some of them define cults as "controlling groups or leaders", This is surely the best definition. The true concept of "religion" is *really* the very opposite. But then maybe the Pope knows something we don't about the subject :-) Paul Mather writes: > Ironically, Germany is getting a lot of stick lately because of its > handling of the "Church" of Scientology. As far as I recall, they are > deeming the "Church" is, in fact, a slick business operation designed to > extract maximum cash out of its "followers," and that such an > organisation is not a nice thing to allow to flourish. (Wow, talk about > calling a spade a spade!) The "Church," in turn, is crying "religious > persecution" and trying to make out that their fate parallels that of > the Jews under the Nazis. Alas, the Jews will have none of it, and > actually find it quite offensive to have the holocaust compared in this > way. If all else fails, tap into the public guilt! Mix and match history as you please. > Not to worry. I'm sure the enormous legal arm of the "Church" of > Scientology will manage to overcome the German government (and all other > SPs ["Suppressive Persons"] who stand in the way of Scientology). :-) There was a hilarious case in Sweden a few years back regarding some "secret scripture" of Hubbard's being made availible to read for the public, after a nightmare of legal battles against the Swedish government, at some official institution. The Scientologists had agents there around the clock, working in shift to continuously to "browse" (occupy) the documents - without reading them, just holding them, as the agents were told they would spontaneously combust or something reading them. This of course turned alot of "real" people (or SP's I guess) off from even attempting to stand in line for days, just to get a peek at Hubbard's unpublished SF drivel for free (otherwise it would cost years of toil and brainswashing and hundreds of thousands of dollars). Chr. NP: Captain Jesus and The Sunray Dream - "All Thanks To The Lord Jesus Christ Amen" "Welcome to Crazyville!" - H. Leroy Newton From walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET Wed May 13 07:57:54 1998 From: walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET (Walrus) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 07:57:54 -0400 Subject: HW: INNER CITY UNIT CD-ROM In-Reply-To: <199805131046.MAA06527@online.no> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 May 1998, Christian000Mumford wrote: > > > > >Actually you *can* play it on your hi-fi, but I`m not telling how.. :) > > > > > >-Steve > > -www.doremi.co.uk > > > > > > > > Aw go on Steve, gis' a clue! > > > Just buy the proper cables and stick em in the proper holes in each proper > and desired component! Fairly intuitive it is. > couldn't you just run a cable from the line-out on your soundcard to the line-in on yer stereo? (or something) wal ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______ " The gentle madness Walrus _______\_ has touched my hand /__\O/__/= Now I'm just a .. spacing out _|\ .^. Cosmic Man ... " by spacing in .. | \_/ http://www.neuron.net/~walrus From mordru at GEKKO.NET Wed May 13 08:23:50 1998 From: mordru at GEKKO.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 08:23:50 -0400 Subject: OFF: Scientology! Message-ID: >Now I'm really starting to HATE these people. I'm gonna spend Sat >afternoon watching their street units and moving in on them every time >they manage to snare someone. Seriously, be careful, they keep files on people they consider to be opponents of their strategy, especially if they are someone with a public identity... > >Is anyone on this list a member of the Church? :) If there were, they'd probably have a file on this list by now... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at gekko.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From mordru at GEKKO.NET Wed May 13 08:23:55 1998 From: mordru at GEKKO.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 08:23:55 -0400 Subject: HW: INNER CITY UNIT CD-ROM Message-ID: >>Actually you *can* play it on your hi-fi, but I`m not telling how.. :) >> >>-Steve >Aw go on Steve, gis' a clue! Steve, if you don't, people are gonna start trying things like putting them in upside down, or worse, probably end up scratching them and having to order another...... ah, I see. AAA From mordru at GEKKO.NET Wed May 13 08:23:53 1998 From: mordru at GEKKO.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 08:23:53 -0400 Subject: HW Time of the Hawklords Message-ID: >"Dianetics" -- the best piece of science-fiction L. Ron Hubbard >ever penned... You mean there's something better than 'Battlefield Earth'??? +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at gekko.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Wed May 13 10:07:40 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 07:07:40 -0700 Subject: OFF: Scientology! In-Reply-To: <19980513035503.27214.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > Is anyone on this list a member of the Church? :) Just the consciousness-raising and mind-expanding Church of Hawkwind............ Kevin Sommers ? Primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed May 13 11:49:22 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 11:49:22 -0400 Subject: OFF:Scientology tentacles In-Reply-To: <199805131145.NAA10701@online.no> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 May 1998, Christian000Mumford wrote: > > Not to worry. I'm sure the enormous legal arm of the "Church" of > > Scientology will manage to overcome the German government (and all other > > SPs ["Suppressive Persons"] who stand in the way of Scientology). :-) > > There was a hilarious case in Sweden a few years back regarding some > "secret scripture" of Hubbard's being made availible to read for the > public, after a nightmare of legal battles against the Swedish government, > at some official institution. The Scientologists had agents there around > the clock, working in shift to continuously to "browse" (occupy) the > documents - without reading them, just holding them, as the agents were > told they would spontaneously combust or something reading them. This of > course turned alot of "real" people (or SP's I guess) off from even > attempting to stand in line for days, just to get a peek at Hubbard's > unpublished SF drivel for free (otherwise it would cost years of toil and > brainswashing and hundreds of thousands of dollars). This reminds me of another incident we can thank the gigantic legal arm of Scientology for. If memory serves, they were responsible for the anon.penet.fi anonymous e-mail gateway guy having to hand over the subscriber list, because someone was posting "secret Scientological doctrines" (and maybe anti-Church rants) anonymously through that service. It may have shut down the service for a while, I don't remember. BTW, does anyone remember the episode of _X-Files_ which was a delicious, thinly-disguised parody on the Church of Scientology? Great stuff! Cheers, Paul. obCD: Wayne Kramer, _Dangerous Madness_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From mpower at FCMC.COM Wed May 13 12:51:55 1998 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 12:51:55 -0400 Subject: Scientology Message-ID: Ah, Well, I'm not a Scientologist but I have had some friends who were, one was the radio operator on L. Ron Hubbards Flagship (He had his own private Navy, and fleet of ships). Dianetics was formulated first, along with a medical doctor (whose name I forget), and A.E.Van Vogt, a rather excellent SF writer. It was based along early research by Sigmund Freud and the work in General Semantics by Count Alfred Korzybski. John Campbell, the editor of 'Astounding'(?) magazine became a follower when L.Ron Hubbard took Campbells wife through several early childhood traumas using Dianetics. Dianetics was first published as a thesis in the pages of Astounding. Later, Dianetics became a popular fad with the first publishing of 'Dianetics - the modern Science of Mental Health'. The E-meter did not yet exist. It was invented later, not by L.Ron Hubbard as was claimed generally by Scientology, but by Volney Matheson. Its not a simple Galvanometer or wheatstone bridge, and it *does* work, as I have had demonstrated to me on several occasions. The key to its functioning seems to be the actual meter movement, which is not damped as voltmeters/ammeters are, but responds with great speed to fast transient changes in skin resistance, which correlate with thought....you can get fast responsive readings on the meter to things you are thinking about, remembering pain is a good example. They do a thing called a pinch test, where they hook you up to the e-meter and ask you to pinch yourself, then in your own time ask you to recall the pinch, they will spot the moment you recall it with exceptional accuracy. Anyhow, L.Ron Hubbard eventually lost control of Dianetics to the Medical Doctor and started Scientology. The idea is that Dianetics dealt with physical health and the mind, Scientology would deal with the spirit, or in L.Ron jargonese, the Thetan. Scientology was geared to generate money and large quantities of it, it included drills about asking for money, asking for cheques and payment until the person no longer had any inhibitions on the subject. There is no guilt or social conscience or any consideration that will make a Scientologist even hesitate to ask you for money for Scientology processing. Scientology was so successful in generating large quantities of money that Hubbard was able to use it to regain control of Dianetics, which then became the 'intro' to Scientology. The question of where Scientology came from is an interesting one, it turning out that many of the concepts and more specifically, the name itself were ripped off from a very obscure book, by a german fellow called Nordenholtz, called Scientologie. Some ex-Scientologists have put this book on the net, you can find it here: I better stop now before I write my own book on this subject :-) In Space we Trust, Marc. -- SpaceRock Central - Strange Daze 98 SpaceRock Festival - "SpaceRock is music, which, by design, expands AWARENESS, thru SPACE, MIND and TIME" Axiom I, the SpaceRock Manifesto From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed May 13 13:11:03 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 19:11:03 +0200 Subject: OFF:Scientology tentacles Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > This reminds me of another incident we can thank the gigantic legal arm > of Scientology for. If memory serves, they were responsible for the > anon.penet.fi anonymous e-mail gateway guy having to hand over the > subscriber list, because someone was posting "secret Scientological > doctrines" (and maybe anti-Church rants) anonymously through that > service. It may have shut down the service for a while, I don't > remember. The guy shut it down for good because he could no longer guarantee 100% anonymity to its users after the one incident/precedent. I didn't know the Scientologists were responsible though! The case did make the "real news" as far as I recall, as at that was "before my time" on the net so to speak. Chr. ObCD: Zoviet*France - Digilogue "Don't go carvin' no happy face on my tombstone" - Beck From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed May 13 14:07:52 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 14:07:52 -0400 Subject: Scientology Message-ID: Marc explains... >Its not a simple Galvanometer or wheatstone bridge, and it *does* >work, as I have had demonstrated to me on several occasions. The key >to its functioning seems to be the actual meter movement, which is not >damped as voltmeters/ammeters are, but responds with great speed >to fast transient changes in skin resistance, which correlate with >thought....you can get fast responsive readings on the meter to >things you are thinking about, remembering pain is a good example. >They do a thing called a pinch test, where they hook you up to the >e-meter and ask you to pinch yourself, then in your own time ask >you to recall the pinch, they will spot the moment you recall it with >exceptional accuracy. The point being?? Keith H. (FAA) From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM Wed May 13 14:40:35 1998 From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (BL Young) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 12:40:35 -0600 Subject: OFF: Hubbard (was Re: HW: Time of the Hawklords) Message-ID: >>"Dianetics" -- the best piece of science-fiction L. Ron Hubbard >>ever penned... >You mean there's something better than 'Battlefield Earth'??? Actually I rather enjoyed the early novel "Slaves of Sleep". I've read Battlefield Earth and thought it was awful. I think that "Slaves of Sleep" showed up on a "top 100 fantasy novels of all time" that Moorcock had a hand in compiling. A good read, but I've never come across any other Hubbard that was worth the time. I'm still planning to read his Doc Methusaleh stuff. Bryan From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed May 13 14:36:28 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 11:36:28 -0700 Subject: HW Time of the Hawklords Message-ID: "Andrew A. Apold" penned: >>"Dianetics" -- the best piece of science-fiction L. Ron Hubbard >>ever penned... > >You mean there's something better than 'Battlefield Earth'??? I'm surprised that no one has yet mentioned the similarity between the $cientology mythos (Xenu et. al.) and the plot of 'Time of the Hawklords', as they both deal with historic intergalactic forces of evil entrenched inside the Earth that are screwing up the human race with their "bad vibes, man". Does that mean they "got" Michael Butterworth? Or merely that he's just as bad a writer as LRH? -Doug ceres at sirius.com From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Wed May 13 14:56:52 1998 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 18:56:52 GMT Subject: HW: INNER CITY UNIT CD-ROM In-Reply-To: <4838071013051998/A01915/LNMV02/11C56A872500*@MHS> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 May 1998 10:07:38 +0000, you sent through the ether: >Aw go on Steve, gis' a clue! Oh alright at the risk of starting a fully fledged ICU CD Bootlegging industry.. :) You can get converters that convert MP3`s back to .wavs.. at the *same resolution* they were sampled at originally.. ie 44.1 16bit signed.. CD quality.., from there it`s a simple matter to use your CD Writer to burn "proper" audio CD`s of all and anything from the MP3 compilation.. Isn`t technology marvelous. :) -Steve -www.doremi.co.uk From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed May 13 15:08:20 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 20:08:20 +0100 Subject: HW Time of the Hawklords In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980513113628.007ca470@sirius.com> Message-ID: > Does that mean they "got" Michael Butterworth? Or merely that > he's just as > bad a writer as LRH? Well, yes he is, but what it means is that LRH used a lot of familiar sf tropes in his religion - one reason most of his early converts came from sf "fandom". The "superman" we can all become through Dianetics is a favourite sf device, and indeed much of his early fiction revolves around a superman fantasy. There's an interesting section on all this is Thomas M Disch's _The Dreams Our Stuff is Made Of: How Science Fiction Conquered the World_, which as it happens I just finished reading. Strongly recommended to anyone interested in the history and development of sf, especially vis-a-vis popular culture (and especially recommended for Robert Heinlein fans :). Stephen King writes highly of LRH's _Fear_, fwiw. - Andy ObCD: The Deviants - _Human Garbage_ mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From talger at PIPELINE.COM Wed May 13 16:01:16 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Your Name) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 16:01:16 -0400 Subject: OFF: Pound Hound/KX news In-Reply-To: Message-ID: AB sez > >Summer is stacking up pretty good. Still a chance the new KX will also >come out late summer. Have you heard that Ty is into another side >project, Platypus with Derek Sherinian, John Myung and Rod Morgenstein, >album due this summer. GC is due in the fall and Gary Hoey has another >comming out. Ready to spend a few bucks I am. BTW there's a new KX >list, tentatively called "Silent Wind" Run by the same gal who does the >GC list. If interested e-mail > hey Ghost... check this out! you know that the new KX is expected sometime around the beginning of Fall.....well someone from Metal Blade posted at the FW ng that that's about the same time the FW live album should be out...and there's talk of a King's X/Galactic Cowboys/Fates Warning tour this fall!! and Ty has already announced that they're going to start touring in October!!! maybe you ought to start wheeling and dealing now for another kitchen pass from CinC House, eh? this really sucks though since I'm supposed to be moving to the UK in July........ Ted From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed May 13 16:09:10 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 22:09:10 +0200 Subject: OFF: L-Ron Message-ID: Right! Time for a comics quiz! In which (brilliant at the time) comic did the megalomaniac robot L-Ron appear?? Chr. "Rope 'em and ride 'em!" - Robert Crumb "Catch a falling star, put it in your pocket" - UFO From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed May 13 16:16:25 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 22:16:25 +0200 Subject: HW: INNER CITY UNIT CD-ROM Message-ID: Steve Pond writes: > You can get converters that convert MP3`s back to .wavs.. at the *same > resolution* they were sampled at originally.. ie 44.1 16bit signed.. CD > quality.., from there it`s a simple matter to use your CD Writer to burn > "proper" audio CD`s of all and anything from the MP3 compilation.. > > Isn`t technology marvelous. :) > > -Steve > -www.doremi.co.uk Don't listen to this flaky musician folks, just hook your PC up to your stereo as you would any other component :) Chr. "Rope 'em and ride 'em!" - Robert Crumb "Catch a falling star, put it in your pocket" - UFO From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed May 13 16:35:59 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 22:35:59 +0200 Subject: OFF: Ken Russel ( was: OFF: Alice Cooper) Message-ID: > >ObFilm: Altered States - wiping out so many braincells tripping that one > turns into a monkey. da ghost sez: > Loved this flick. One of only two William Hurt films I can sit through. > Other being Kiss of the Spider Woman. > > Ghost in the Ruins Well, I'll make a case here against Ken Russel, as Altered States is the only film of his I rate highly, along with Lair Of The White Worm, having also (only) seen the dreadful Gothic and the ridiculous Tommy (appealingly/appalingly ridiculous as it may be). His, for the lack of a better descriptive, "symphonic-psychedelic" tendencies are pretty darn tacky/over the top, tho I do think he's done some interesting things from time to time. What other flicks other than the above has he done? The scene in Altered States where William Hurt trips in the cave in cracked me up/made me weep, with the fireworks going off left and right, IMO being increbily sleazy "drug FX" that would have been done much better with cheap video FX at the time. Not to mention the bizarre "symphonic" fixation in the music (or the nutty visual flashes) in all his films (again, not wholly without merit but sometimes gruesomely laughable). I am just more curious about what else Russel has done as his style so idiosyncratic, and thus probably worth further investigation nonetheless. Maybe the BOC-L Siskel-n-Ebert-in-one Andy Gilham has something to say on the subject... :) Yah, Altered States is a really cool flick tho it could have done without the luvvy-duvvy bit at the end - I don't know if that was part of the original novel or not tho. Chr. "Rope 'em and ride 'em!" - Robert Crumb "Catch a falling star, put it in your pocket" - UFO From mordru at GEKKO.NET Wed May 13 17:02:29 1998 From: mordru at GEKKO.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 17:02:29 -0400 Subject: OFF: L-Ron Message-ID: >Right! Time for a comics quiz! In which (brilliant at the time) comic did >the megalomaniac robot L-Ron appear?? Justice League International, back when it was good, and being written by Keith Giffen and J.M. "insert hindu theme at least once during every comics run" DeMatteis... And he wasn't that megalomanic... more melodramatic... (seeing as he probably picked up from Manga Khan's school of Melodrama...) Hoping Hawkwind does a song about Mr. Nebula and the Scarlet Skier.... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at gekko.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed May 13 17:00:40 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 22:00:40 +0100 Subject: OFF: Ken Russell ( was: OFF: Alice Cooper) In-Reply-To: <199805132041.WAA24541@online.no> Message-ID: > probably worth further investigation nonetheless. Maybe the BOC-L > Siskel-n-Ebert-in-one Andy Gilham has something to say on the > subject... :) Wot me? No, never really related to Russell, meself, although _Crimes of Passion_ has its moments. Most of which weren't in the American cut :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM Wed May 13 17:25:22 1998 From: john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM (john.m.gray) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 14:25:22 -0700 Subject: HW Time of the Hawlklords Message-ID: You sound jealous Mr. Hubbard. John ---------- > From: Christian000Mumford > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: HW Time of the Hawklords > Date: Tuesday, May 12, 1998 5:32 PM > > > I bought a hardcover 1st edition with a beautiful dust jacket for $25. > > John > > And I am L. Ron Hubbard- > > > "Don't go carvin' no happy face on my tombstone" > - Beck From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed May 13 12:34:50 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 17:34:50 +0100 Subject: OFF:Scientology tentacles In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Wed, 13 May 1998 11:49:22 -0400 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > On Wed, 13 May 1998, Christian000Mumford wrote: > > > > Not to worry. I'm sure the enormous legal arm of the "Church" of > > > Scientology will manage to overcome the German government (and all other > > > SPs ["Suppressive Persons"] who stand in the way of Scientology). :-) > > > > There was a hilarious case in Sweden a few years back regarding some > > "secret scripture" of Hubbard's being made availible to read for the > > public, after a nightmare of legal battles against the Swedish government, > > at some official institution. The Scientologists had agents there around > > the clock, working in shift to continuously to "browse" (occupy) the > > documents - without reading them, just holding them, as the agents were > > told they would spontaneously combust or something reading them. This of > > course turned alot of "real" people (or SP's I guess) off from even > > attempting to stand in line for days, just to get a peek at Hubbard's > > unpublished SF drivel for free (otherwise it would cost years of toil and > > brainswashing and hundreds of thousands of dollars). > > This reminds me of another incident we can thank the gigantic legal arm > of Scientology for. If memory serves, they were responsible for the > anon.penet.fi anonymous e-mail gateway guy having to hand over the > subscriber list, because someone was posting "secret Scientological > doctrines" (and maybe anti-Church rants) anonymously through that > service. It may have shut down the service for a while, I don't > remember. These were the same documents that the Scientologists swamped the web and a usenet group (by spamming thousands of posts) in order to prevent others reading them. They even sued for ownership of alt.scientology The documents were also read into Court records as the scientologists sued the net poster. They then also set up relays to look at these in public records to protect the public from seeing them (other than by taking 30,000 Dollars worth of Scientology courses). The Net was beating the Cult until the penet.fi anonymous remailer incident. Usenet posts of the documents used penet.fi to gain aonymity (and therefore perhaps avoid similar Court cases). This was also used by dissidents in totalitarian regimes to get information out and compromise could have meant their death. The scientologists (allegedly using members highly placed in the country) managed to organise a Police raid after which they gained access to the files. The person who had provided the penet.fi server through much voluntary effort, found this the last straw (after sundry accusations and Court cases about porn and child porn - he didn't allow binaries to be posted) and closed down the server. > Paul. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed May 13 12:27:29 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 17:27:29 +0100 Subject: OFF: Scientology! In-Reply-To: Kevin Sommers's message of Wed, 13 May 1998 07:07:40 -0700 Message-ID: Kevin Sommers writes: > > Is anyone on this list a member of the Church? :) I did their personality test during a 2 hour bus waitover as a student. I was told I lacked "communication abilities" and they recommended a course and sold me "Dianetics" which I read. It's basically some Freudian stuff with some of Hubbard's own ideas thrown in. Interestingly one of them was recently found to be correct: his idea that unconcious patients can pick up ("engrams" - Hubbard) what the surgeons say during an op, even if they don't remember it later. This has a statistically significant effect on patient outcome as a study last year into negative and positive comments during the op showed. His other bugbears were hypnotism, fetal abuse, and any kind of psychotherapy. It's yet to be shown that hypnotism exists in any real sense at all. What *was* fun was reading some of the debunlking of Scientology. Chris Evans "Cults of Unreason" was hilarious on the subject. Also the biography of Hubbard "Bare Faced Messiah" is most interesting. It indicates that Hubbard was prone to fantasy and may have had some psychological condition. It also makes a good argument that at some points he tried to escape the monster he'd created (by theories bordering on farce). However these were taken as much at face value by followers as any of the rest of it. Scientology went through most phases of cults including a repressive phase where transgressors (people who didn't sell enough courses for example) were turned into slves during sentence. Whole "orgs" could suffer this fate. Hubbard also at one point took the whole management to sea in a small fleet he put together. His needs were administered by teen girls in sailor uniforms as a sort of personal guard. Ultimately the monster slew him. If you're prone to fantasy, the last thing you need is a machine which will, in effect, attempt to make your fantasies come true. Hubbard, on taking (the probably correct) notion that US intelligence agencies were against him, decided (as if he were living one of his stories) to ponder an infiltration and subversion campaign against them. His dedicated followers did much to make this come true and caused no end of trouble. They also translated a petty vengefulness against people who left Scientology and then opposed it into fully fledged organised and funded ratfuck campaigns against these people. The best of us have a dark side to our personalities and couldn't easily withstand a machine which would in effect amplify this and translate wishes into reality. Hubbard, with an already doubtful grip on reality, and a rich fantasy life, was simply destroyed by it. He built his own "monster of the id" and in the end couldn't control it. It's more tragedy than farce. FoFP From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Wed May 13 17:31:33 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (antisol _8) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 14:31:33 PDT Subject: Scientology Message-ID: >Marc explains... > >>Its not a simple Galvanometer or wheatstone bridge, and it *does* >>work, as I have had demonstrated to me on several occasions. The key >>to its functioning seems to be the actual meter movement, which is not >>damped as voltmeters/ammeters are, but responds with great speed >>to fast transient changes in skin resistance, which correlate with >>thought....you can get fast responsive readings on the meter to >>things you are thinking about, remembering pain is a good example. >>They do a thing called a pinch test, where they hook you up to the >>e-meter and ask you to pinch yourself, then in your own time ask >>you to recall the pinch, they will spot the moment you recall it with >>exceptional accuracy. > >The point being?? Exactly, it is a typical device that measures skin resistance, commonly known, and no special Scientific Instrument. Sharp peaks in brain activity, stress, change in heartbeat are reflected in skin resistance, but that simple 'E-meter' can't filter out any specific patterns, or do anything useful for that matter, it is unprecise and merely a cheap gimmmick. I mean, how do they use that piece of trash to help you? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed May 13 17:47:29 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 17:47:29 -0400 Subject: OFF: Ozrics/PTree US tours Message-ID: Hi Folks... I see that the Ozrics will soon be coming to the states following their Europe mini-tour. However, so far, I only see evidence of a single show confirmed, that of the San Francisco show (at the Fillmore) on the 5th of June. That's not very far away (in time), so I am wondering how much of a last minute thing this is, and also wondering if they plan to cover a large extent of the continent, i.e., come east. I've checked the main OT homepage (dates are not yet listed), and I've also searched various cities' concert calenders, etc., but haven't found any announcements/info. Can anybody help?? Keith H. (FAA) P.S. It looks now like the Porcupine Tree US tour won't happen until September. Too bad they couldn't make it a month earlier, and play at Strange Daze. (I've told Steve Wilson about SD98, so it's not like they don't know.) Oh, well, at least we'll get to see them play live *somewhere*. From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Wed May 13 22:03:06 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 19:03:06 -0700 Subject: Scientology In-Reply-To: <19980513213133.10798.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > Exactly, it is a typical device that measures skin resistance, commonly > known, and no special Scientific Instrument. Sharp peaks in brain > activity, stress, change in heartbeat are reflected in skin resistance, > but that simple 'E-meter' can't filter out any specific patterns, or do > anything useful for that matter, it is unprecise and merely a cheap > gimmmick. I mean, how do they use that piece of trash to help you? Exactly, when all you need is a good, old-fashioned Orgone Accumulator (http://orgone.org/pubfrmorac0x.htm)! Kevin Sommers ? Primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu From capcloud at PALMNET.NET Wed May 13 22:57:56 1998 From: capcloud at PALMNET.NET (Captain Cloud) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 22:57:56 -0400 Subject: OFF: A Monster Magnet Powertrip Message-ID: Last Saturday night I heard a DJ playing the new Monster Magnet single 'Space Lord'. The album is due out within a month (different dates in UK and USA) and will be named 'Powertrip'. I've had the good fortune to be playing an advance tape of this new album for a month already, and if you enjoyed 'Dopes..' then you should feel at home with 'Powertrip'. There are still those unique lyrics that make this band so great, plus a large amount of repetitive, fuzzy, loud guitars. My only knocks are quite minor, one being that the production is pristine clean. Perhaps I just react negatively to being spoiled :-) but there doesn't seem to be as much fuzz in the mix as on albums past. This is attributable directly to the ultra-clean recording, reportedly by whoever mixed the recent Metallica CDs. Don't let that stop you. There are some really great, catchy, stomping, wailing, drug-referencing, pop-culture-checking tunes on this album. It is probably a step further away from 'Spine of God', but still really decent. Watch for it! -- Captain Cloud capcloud at palmnet.net ObQuestion: anyone know where to purchase the recent Sundial release? From StevenTice at AOL.COM Wed May 13 23:03:21 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 23:03:21 EDT Subject: OFF: L-Ron Message-ID: In a message dated 98-05-13 16:16:04 EDT, you write: << Right! Time for a comics quiz! In which (brilliant at the time) comic did the megalomaniac robot L-Ron appear?? >> Ah, the good ol' days of the humorous JLA...when a truly funny hero book would actually sell.... (Don't mind me, I'm still annoyed that DC's cancelling Major Bummer...) SET From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu May 14 03:13:33 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 07:13:33 +0000 Subject: OFF: A Monster Magnet Powertrip Message-ID: On ons 13 maj 1998 22.57 -0400 "Captain Cloud" wrote: > ObQuestion: anyone know where to purchase the recent Sundial release? There's a recent Sundial release? Info! Info! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From niko.makila at RESEARCH.NOKIA.COM Thu May 14 02:59:02 1998 From: niko.makila at RESEARCH.NOKIA.COM (Niko Makila) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:59:02 +0300 Subject: OFF: anon.penet.fi In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 13 May 1998 11:49:22 EDT." Message-ID: Paul's message dated: Wed, 13 May 1998 11:49:22 EDT > > This reminds me of another incident we can thank the gigantic legal arm > of Scientology for. If memory serves, they were responsible for the > anon.penet.fi anonymous e-mail gateway guy having to hand over the > subscriber list, because someone was posting "secret Scientological > doctrines" (and maybe anti-Church rants) anonymously through that > service. It may have shut down the service for a while, I don't > remember. I just want to add a couple of comments here. Yes, this is mostly true. There are a few common misunderstandings though. The whole subscriber list was never handed over -- just the address of the person who sent the Scientology stuff. Maybe that shouldn't have happend, but it's slightly understandable if you think that the stuff was sent to news, not e-mail (although e-mail was naturally used up to the gateway). News is public, e-mail isn't. //niko ObBOC-L: BOC are playing here in Helsinki June 4th. Who else is going? From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu May 14 00:49:41 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 04:49:41 +0000 Subject: OFF: Ken Russel ( was: OFF: Alice Cooper) Message-ID: > I am just more curious > about what else Russel has done as his style so idiosyncratic, and thus > probably worth further investigation nonetheless. I thought 'Whore' was pretty interesting. Although I'm sorta iffy about the quality of the film, I thought it was a neat concept: The underside of 'Pretty Woman' -- what really happens out on the streets when the princes don't ride in atop their limos and fall in love with the prostitutes. And it came out not long after PW. It's pretty corny in some places, but well done in others. Main reason you should rush out right now and buy it...'Huggy Bear' Antonio Fargas has a decent part! -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu May 14 00:52:55 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 04:52:55 +0000 Subject: OFF: Hubbard (was Re: HW: Time of the Hawklords) Message-ID: > Actually I rather enjoyed the early novel "Slaves of Sleep". > I've read Battlefield Earth and thought it was awful. I think > that "Slaves of Sleep" showed up on a "top 100 fantasy novels > of all time" that Moorcock had a hand in compiling. > > A good read, but I've never come across any other Hubbard > that was worth the time. I'm still planning to read his > Doc Methusaleh stuff. > > Bryan Here's a question for all the space rock fans...and I'm surprised nobody's brought it up yet with all this L. Ron talk... Does anybody own that Edgar Winter album based on the Hubbard book? I think it was called 'Mission Earth'. I bought it when it came out cuz it was Winter...but trashed it cuz I didn't like it. At this point, I can barely even remember what it sounded like. -- Nick From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Thu May 14 05:04:38 1998 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 03:04:38 -0600 Subject: OFF: Son Volt Message-ID: hi all! Curiosity here again! I spotted a couple of "Son Volt " discs whilst exploring my fave tunes store-what are they like? I think I d/led some sound things-but can't find 'em;( any pointers? Thanx! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool Thanks to William Duffy who spotted a mistake in the Codex. In the event I found that two entries were erroneous. Here's the correct version: Robot L 1 Weird 103 - Free Festivals L 1 Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and Watchfield L 1 a Friends and Relations I L 1 a Victoria double album L 1 b Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD [Flicknife] L 1 b Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD [Anagram] L 2 PXR5 L 3 Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line L 4 The A Files [Bootleg CD] L 5 Love In Space * 1a is an edit of 1 * 1b is a cut of 1a The edit for 1a takes the guitars segment after the 1st verse in 1 and places it after the second verse, seguing the two breaks. 1b is a cut of 1a in that it fades during the 3rd verse. From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu May 14 06:28:13 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:28:13 +0200 Subject: HW: Weird (was: Codex amend: Robot) Message-ID: > Here's the correct version: > > Robot > L 1 Weird 103 - Free Festivals Ah! Those elusive Weird tapes (more like I am lazy and think 5 ? for a tape is pricey) - is the (old) address to get these still the same as listed in Godwins book etc.? Also, anyone who happens to have an extra copy of Watson's deleted "Born To Go: Hawkwind" in the 70s book...??? Chr. ObCD: Stranglers "Rattus Norvegicus" "Rope 'em and ride 'em!" - Robert Crumb "Catch a falling star, put it in your pocket" - UFO From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu May 14 06:32:18 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:32:18 +0200 Subject: OFF: Son Volt Message-ID: ---------- > Fra: Cliff and Pam Wheaton > Til: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Emne: OFF: Son Volt > Dato: 14. mai 1998 11:04 > > hi all! > Curiosity here again! I spotted a couple of "Son Volt " discs whilst > exploring my fave tunes store-what are they like? I think I d/led some > sound things-but can't find 'em;( any pointers? > Thanx! > Pam > -- They are sorta alterna-country-rock, quite "in vogue" tho not my cuppa tea - I think its the other half of the now defunct Uncle Tupelo (the other half are pretty well known too but whose name escape me). Chr. "Rope 'em and ride 'em!" - Robert Crumb "Catch a falling star, put it in your pocket" - UFO From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Thu May 14 07:54:52 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:54:52 +0000 Subject: HW: Weird (was: Codex amend: Robot) In-Reply-To: <199805141034.MAA11203@online.no> Message-ID: Christian writes: >Ah! Those elusive Weird tapes (more like I am lazy and think 5 ? for a tape >is pricey) - is the (old) address to get these still the same as listed in >Godwins book etc.? I just called Wolden Lodge Studios, and the Weird tapes are still availlable. I didn't talk to Geoff, but he's the bloke in charge. Last time I talked to him, about 15 months ago, he said he could still run-off some of the rarer first versions of Weird 105, as he still had inlay-cards for them. So, in theory all nine tapes are still availlable. I'll try and call Geoff tomorrow, to confirm on the availlability of both versions of 105. I wonder if he'll give a discount to anybody buying all nine tapes? Guy T. Here's the address: Geoff Hocking Wolden Studios, Mid Lodge, Landcross, Bideford, Devon. EX39 5JB UK 44-(0)12374-77729 From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu May 14 07:19:50 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:19:50 +0100 Subject: HW: Weird (was: Codex amend: Robot) In-Reply-To: <7452541114051998/A02969/LNMV02/11C572F63300*@MHS> Message-ID: > I just called Wolden Lodge Studios, and the Weird tapes are still > availlable. Now if he recorded some of them onto CD, I think he'd find a few takers... (esp. 104 and 105!) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu May 14 07:31:46 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 13:31:46 +0200 Subject: OFF:Scientology tentacles Message-ID: > The scientologists (allegedly using members highly placed in the > country) managed to organise a Police raid after which they gained > access to the files. The person who had provided the penet.fi server > through much voluntary effort, found this the last straw (after sundry > accusations and Court cases about porn and child porn - he didn't allow > binaries to be posted) and closed down the server. What I find freaky here is, now that you mention the bit about the porn, it's the only reason I remember from the news report(s) at the time (1994?) as why they went after the anon. server guy. I don't remember any mention of the Scientologists... Guess that campaign worked huh?? Chr. > > FoFP "Rope 'em and ride 'em!" - Robert Crumb "Catch a falling star, put it in your pocket" - UFO From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu May 14 08:57:10 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 08:57:10 -0400 Subject: OFF: Celebrity Influence Message-ID: >What's most frightening to me is that we've got people like John Travolta, Kirstie Alley and a shitload of other celebrities asking our government help strong-arm Germany into accepting Scientology as a religion; not to mention that these celebrities, who have so much influence on so many people, are actually practicing it themselves. This kind of stuff really pisses me off. People who think that because they're in the public eye, presumably for being "good" at something, they can dictate how we should act, look, and feel. Who the fuck is John Travolta to influence U.S. foreign policy?? Because he can act and dance? Big deal! It's like this Michael Jordan shit - he tried to strong-arm the owner of the Bulls into keeping coach Phil Jackson, and because they won't, he's retiring! Good fucking riddance to him I say! The guy is a basketball player (albeit arguably the best to ever play the game - although I am biased toward ex-Celtic Larry Bird - hey, I'm from Boston), he is NOT the owner, coach, or a businessman. He should stick to what he knows how to do, collect his millions, and shut the fuck up! Whew - did that come out of ME?? I'd better go get some coffee... ;-) John From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu May 14 04:14:55 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:14:55 +0100 Subject: OFF: L-Ron In-Reply-To: <199805132102.RAA29327@blue.gekko.net> Message-ID: When we were coming up with names for our shop, one of the rejected ideas was "Elrond's Cupboard" but as only about 10% of the human race has read the Lord Of The Rings, we thought it a little obsure. -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu May 14 04:21:32 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:21:32 +0100 Subject: OFF: Ken Russell ( was: OFF: Alice Cooper) In-Reply-To: <000001bd7eb2$2fd1d0c0$763f63c3@default> Message-ID: In article <000001bd7eb2$2fd1d0c0$763f63c3 at default>, Andy Gilham writes >> probably worth further investigation nonetheless. Maybe the BOC-L >> Siskel-n-Ebert-in-one Andy Gilham has something to say on the >> subject... :) > >Wot me? No, never really related to Russell, meself, although _Crimes of >Passion_ has its moments. Most of which weren't in the American cut :) > >- Andy > >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham Ken has apparently bought Boleskine Manor (on the banks of Loch Ness, former home of Aleister Crowley, and location of the infamous Abra-Melin workings) from Jimmy Page, and is about to shoot a bio-pic of AC. If it's as accurate as his Shelly/Byron depictions, it'll be utter kak. Still, it's a dirty job, but someone's got to do it. -- Jon From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Thu May 14 10:19:08 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 10:19:08 -0400 Subject: OFF: New Deep Purple Message-ID: With the talk of the new Monster Magnet CD, I thought I should mention that the new Deep Purple CD, "Abandon" (starring Steve Morse as Ritchie Blackmore) will be out in the US on June 2nd, and the UK on May 27th. Fanboy reviews have been positive (what else?) so far. The word on the street is "heavy". Gotta like that... For upstate New Yorkers, DP with ELP and Dream Theater will hit the Finger Lakes Performing Arts Center on August 14th. Tix go on sale May 18th. Check out http://www.deep-purple.com for more info. Or listen to a clip of the 1st single "Any Fule No That" on the CMC site: http://www.cmcinternational.com (For those of us who didn't check it religiously [scientologiously?] in the weeks before Heaven Forbid came out.) Yes, it is a slow work day. Brian "Murder is only an extroverted suicide" -Monty Python From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu May 14 10:26:12 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 22:26:12 +0800 Subject: OFF: Ken Russell ( was: OFF: Alice Cooper) Message-ID: Apparently Ken Russell was originally approached to direct the Doctor Who TV Movie with Paul McGann??? William From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu May 14 10:28:04 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 15:28:04 +0100 Subject: OFF:Scientology tentacles In-Reply-To: Christian000Mumford's message of Thu, 14 May 1998 13:31:46 +0200 Message-ID: Christian000Mumford writes: > > The scientologists (allegedly using members highly placed in the > > country) managed to organise a Police raid after which they gained > > access to the files. The person who had provided the penet.fi server > > through much voluntary effort, found this the last straw (after sundry > > accusations and Court cases about porn and child porn - he didn't allow > > binaries to be posted) and closed down the server. > > What I find freaky here is, now that you mention the bit about the porn, > it's the only reason I remember from the news report(s) at the time (1994?) > as why they went after the anon. server guy. I don't remember any mention > of the Scientologists... Guess that campaign worked huh?? There was also (Court) pressure from a foreign government (could have been Burma) because the rebels had been sending PGP encrypted stuff out by remailer. Also some dissidents living abroad had published critiques of the government by anon remailer. They wanted their addresses abroad and Jurt reckoned that lives might be in danger. In light of that, you can see the responsibility he must have felt when the Scientologists forced the revelation of *any* information from his database. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu May 14 10:29:44 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 15:29:44 +0100 Subject: OFF: Celebrity Influence In-Reply-To: John A Swartz's message of Thu, 14 May 1998 08:57:10 -0400 Message-ID: John A Swartz writes: > This kind of stuff really pisses me off. People who think that > because they're in the public eye, presumably for being "good" at > something, they can dictate how we should act, look, and feel. Who > the fuck is John Travolta to influence U.S. foreign policy?? Because > he can act and dance? Big deal! Rock stars do this all the time, though they usually make themselves look so puerile that only pointyheaded government officials can believe they're actually taken seriously by The Yoof of Today. FoFP From mpower at FCMC.COM Thu May 14 11:07:18 1998 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:07:18 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: Scientology Message-ID: >Marc Explains... > >>They do a thing called a pinch test, where they hook you up to the >>e-meter and ask you to pinch yourself, then in your own time ask >>you to recall the pinch, they will spot the moment you recall it with >>exceptional accuracy. > >The point being?? > >Keith H. (FAA) The point being that in their world-system, the meter is used to 'spot' mental masses (don't ask me what they are! these guys are so drenched in jargon that they have their own dictionary) which are some kind of undesireable abberation, they will then lead you through a process, which is a session where they ask you a question until the meter reading shows the mental mass is gone, usually ending the session with a thing called a 'floating needle' where the meter needle drifts back and forth across the dial. There are a ton of variations on this theme, which they call 'auditing', including one where they give you simple orders and instructions.. 'touch the object', 'pick the object up', 'put the object down' repeatedly for up to several hours - a real mindbender of a brainwash if ever there was. Another process has you gazing into the auditors eyes and sitting perfectly still, (no blinking!) for several hours. If you blink, the auditor will say 'Flunk!' and the whole thing starts again. In Space we Trust, Marc. -- SpaceRock Central - Strange Daze 98 SpaceRock Festival - "SpaceRock is music, which, by design, expands AWARENESS, thru SPACE, MIND and TIME" Axiom I, the SpaceRock Manifesto From mpower at FCMC.COM Thu May 14 11:11:19 1998 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:11:19 -0400 Subject: OFF: Hubbard (was Re: HW: Time of the Hawklords) Message-ID: >>>"Dianetics" -- the best piece of science-fiction L. Ron Hubbard >>>ever penned... > >>You mean there's something better than 'Battlefield Earth'??? > >Actually I rather enjoyed the early novel "Slaves of Sleep". >I've read Battlefield Earth and thought it was awful. I think >that "Slaves of Sleep" showed up on a "top 100 fantasy novels >of all time" that Moorcock had a hand in compiling. > >A good read, but I've never come across any other Hubbard >that was worth the time. I'm still planning to read his >Doc Methusaleh stuff. > >Bryan The Doc Methusaleh stuff is ok for its time and you can see some of the early Dianetics ideas in it, but the best thing I have read by him is a book called 'Typewriter in the Sky' which has been been endlessly ripped off by other writers, even the John Candy movie 'Delerious' is a clear steal from this book. In Space We Trust, Marc -- SpaceRock Central - Strange Daze 98 SpaceRock Festival - "SpaceRock is music, which, by design, expands AWARENESS, thru SPACE, MIND and TIME" Axiom I, the SpaceRock Manifesto From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu May 14 11:11:04 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 17:11:04 +0200 Subject: OFF: Ken Russell ( was: OFF: Alice Cooper) Message-ID: > Apparently Ken Russell was originally approached to direct the Doctor Who TV > Movie with Paul McGann??? > > William Now that would be cool - I'm not much of a Dr. Who fan, but Ken Russel could spend millions of dollars on spectacular/weird "theatrical" FX which *still* would be pretty ludicrous! Jon: "Elrond's Cupboard" - in stoned hippy voice I hafta say "wooow...!" to that one :) Chr. "Rope 'em and ride 'em!" - Robert Crumb "Catch a falling star, put it in your pocket" - UFO From mpower at FCMC.COM Thu May 14 11:22:37 1998 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:22:37 -0400 Subject: OFF: anon.penet.fi Message-ID: //niko scribed.. >Paul's message dated: Wed, 13 May 1998 11:49:22 EDT >> >> This reminds me of another incident we can thank the gigantic legal arm >> of Scientology for. If memory serves, they were responsible for the >> anon.penet.fi anonymous e-mail gateway guy having to hand over the >> subscriber list, because someone was posting "secret Scientological >> doctrines" (and maybe anti-Church rants) anonymously through that >> service. It may have shut down the service for a while, I don't >> remember. > >I just want to add a couple of comments here. > >Yes, this is mostly true. There are a few common misunderstandings though. >The whole subscriber list was never handed over -- just the address of the >person who sent the Scientology stuff. Maybe that shouldn't have happend, >but it's slightly understandable if you think that the stuff was sent to >news, not e-mail (although e-mail was naturally used up to the gateway). >News is public, e-mail isn't. Actually e-mail shouldn't be public but its not at all secure and anyone with the right permissions at a mail gateway can read your mail if its not encrypted. Like the Sysadmins at your ISP for instance. In Space we Trust, Marc. -- SpaceRock Central - Strange Daze 98 SpaceRock Festival - "SpaceRock is music, which, by design, expands AWARENESS, thru SPACE, MIND and TIME" Axiom I, the SpaceRock Manifesto From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu May 14 11:20:16 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 17:20:16 +0200 Subject: OFF: Ken Russel ( was: OFF: Alice Cooper) Message-ID: > I thought 'Whore' was pretty interesting. Although I'm sorta iffy > about the quality of the film, I thought it was a neat concept: The > underside of 'Pretty Woman' -- what really happens out on the streets > when the princes don't ride in atop their limos and fall in love with > the prostitutes. And it came out not long after PW. It's pretty corny > in some places, but well done in others. Main reason you should rush > out right now and buy it...'Huggy Bear' Antonio Fargas has a decent > part! > > -- Nick I remeber reading about this when it came out - its sort of a mock documentary isn't it? Sounds pretty intriguing, and with Huggy Bear (Starsky & Hutch, best babysitters in the world) along for the ride it sounds exquisitely sleazy enough to rent with a sixpack of beers :) Chr. "Rope 'em and ride 'em!" - Robert Crumb "Catch a falling star, put it in your pocket" - UFO From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu May 14 11:25:51 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 17:25:51 +0200 Subject: OFF: Celebrity Influence Message-ID: > Rock stars do this all the time, though they usually make themselves > look so puerile that only pointyheaded government officials can believe > they're actually taken seriously by The Yoof of Today. > > FoFP Its gross. Goes to show what blown up egos most showbiz dickheads actually have (and how far removed from reality they are - Bruce Willis & Demi Moore anyone??). >From what i understand, the Scientologists do target Hollywood actors etc. with freebie courses and such, and thus of course gain their endorsements AND eventual donations. Clever clever. Chr. "Rope 'em and ride 'em!" - Robert Crumb "Catch a falling star, put it in your pocket" - UFO From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu May 14 11:29:13 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 17:29:13 +0200 Subject: OFF: anon.penet.fi Message-ID: > Actually e-mail shouldn't be public but its not at all secure and anyone > with the right permissions at a mail gateway can read your mail if its > not encrypted. Like the Sysadmins at your ISP for instance. > > In Space we Trust, > > Marc. Why the net is a wonderful Big Brother control tool. "BOC-L posting bonanza!" Chr. "Rope 'em and ride 'em!" - Robert Crumb "Catch a falling star, put it in your pocket" - UFO From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu May 14 11:38:34 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 17:38:34 +0200 Subject: OFF: L-Ron Message-ID: > >Right! Time for a comics quiz! In which (brilliant at the time) comic did > >the megalomaniac robot L-Ron appear?? > > Justice League International, back when it was good, > and being written by Keith Giffen and J.M. "insert hindu > theme at least once during every comics run" DeMatteis... I'll try to be more obscure next time...! That was a good run tho - and Keith Giffen cloned himself into my brain for all eternity with his Ambush Bug stuff. Absolutely brilliant! > And he wasn't that megalomanic... more melodramatic... > (seeing as he probably picked up from Manga Khan's school of > Melodrama...) True. This mind used to pride itself on recalling every single panel, every single word balloon, every single comic printed at the Post cereal box factory with rapidly melting plastic plates and lead ridden ink onto toilet paper, and every single character contained within those magical universes. Alas, this mind got really fed up with that and now is only able to wax feeble nostalgia about it. > Hoping Hawkwind does a song about > Mr. Nebula and the Scarlet Skier.... Better chances they'll do a song about Galactus and Silver Surfer (though I doubt it :) Tho there is a pic of Brock in a Silver Surfer shirt in the italian Hawkwind book... Chr. "Rope 'em and ride 'em!" - Robert Crumb "Catch a falling star, put it in your pocket" - UFO From arjanh at CS.VU.NL Thu May 14 11:46:25 1998 From: arjanh at CS.VU.NL (Hulsebos A) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 17:46:25 +0200 Subject: OFF: anon.penet.fi In-Reply-To: <199805141534.RAA20055@online.no> from "Christian000Mumford" at May 14, 98 05:29:13 pm Message-ID: Christian000Mumford har 'zegd: > > > Actually e-mail shouldn't be public but its not at all secure and anyone > > with the right permissions at a mail gateway can read your mail if its > > not encrypted. Like the Sysadmins at your ISP for instance. > > > > In Space we Trust, > > > > Marc. > > Why the net is a wonderful Big Brother control tool. C'mon... Just regard un-encrypted e-mail as a postcard. Any postman can read your postcards, can't he? But who's complaining? It's true, however, that you still can figure out where encrypted mail gets sent to. But that's also true for a letter. The anonymous remailer just makes sure that the return address is only known at the remailer. But, then, why would I want to read someone else's mail (yes, I'm a sysadmin)? Arjan H -- Disclaimer? Whaddayamean, disclaimer? This is 1998! Arjan Hulsebos -- arjanh at cs.vu.nl For more info (last updated April 9,1998): finger -l arjanh at top.cs.vu.nl From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu May 14 11:56:45 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 10:56:45 -0500 Subject: OFF: Movies Message-ID: >Yah, Altered States is a really cool flick tho it could have done without the luvvy-duvvy bit at the end - I don't know if that was part of the original novel or not tho. Chr. I'm sitting here scratching my head, trying desparatley to recall my age when I first saw this flick? Sure it was before or during the college years. In those days never really cast a critical eye at any flick. I'll have to plug it into the VCR soon to see if I think its still a great film. Heck when I was young I hated Brazil, movie made no sense to me at all. Seeing it now puts it in my hall of fame. Sigh when your young, dumb and have no future its amazing what your taste buds will discern. Uh I'm talking about my self here OK? I only regret I never read the book, some guy named Paddy, polish last name. Damn chemicals do take away brain cells. 8>) >Main reason you should rush out right now and buy it...'Huggy Bear' Antonio Fargas has a decent part! -- Nick Never sat through the entire movie; loved Theresa Russell though. Quick question was Huggy a pimp in this one also? Aside from Starsky and Hutch AF always seems to play a "Player." "Bitch betta have my money" that Player of the Year scene for I'm Gonna Get You Sucka" still makes my side hurt with laughter. Ghost in the Ruins MOMENTS ON THE CAROUSEL MUST ADMIT WE RIDE IT WELL AND THE HORSES NEVER TELL ALL THROUGHOUT THE RIDE THAT NO ONE LEAVES NO ONE LEAVES NO ONE LEAVES... ALIVE From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu May 14 08:01:24 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:01:24 +0000 Subject: OFF: Ken Russel ( was: OFF: Alice Cooper) Message-ID: > I remeber reading about this when it came out - its sort of a mock > documentary isn't it? Sounds pretty intriguing, and with Huggy Bear > (Starsky & Hutch, best babysitters in the world) along for the ride it > sounds exquisitely sleazy enough to rent with a sixpack of beers :) > > Chr. If you love Huggy Bear, he can also be seen in 'The Borrower' (so-so horror flick), 'I'm Gonna Git You Sucka' (hilarious blaxploitation parody) and 'Howling VI: Freaks' (very odd). Not that I'm a Huggy Bear enthusiast or anything...he's just been showing up in a lotta movies over the past few years. -- Nick From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu May 14 12:02:52 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 17:02:52 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: Scientology In-Reply-To: Marc Power's message of Thu, 14 May 1998 11:07:18 -0400 Message-ID: Marc Power writes: > The point being that in their world-system, the meter is used to > 'spot' mental masses "Engrams" > (don't ask me what they are! They're mental subprograms initiated by traumatic incidents, which interfere with the proper functioning of the brain and prevent the person becoming Clear or an Operating Thetan. > these guys are so > drenched in jargon that they have their own dictionary) which are > some kind of undesireable abberation, they will then lead you through > a process, which is a session where they ask you a question until the > meter reading shows the mental mass is gone "Auditing" > usually ending the session > with a thing called a 'floating needle' where the meter needle drifts > back and forth across the dial. > There are a ton of variations on this theme, which they > call 'auditing', including one where they give you simple orders and > instructions.. 'touch the object', 'pick the object up', 'put the object down' repeatedly for up to several hours - a real > mindbender of a > brainwash if ever there was. Another process has you gazing into > the auditors eyes and sitting perfectly still, (no blinking!) for > several hours. If you blink, the auditor will say 'Flunk!' and the whole > thing starts again. Isn't that a technique to get rid of the "Clam Engram" whic causes people to open their mouths at inappropriate moments (left over from us being clams during our evolutionary period). > In Space we Trust, > > Marc. FoFP From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu May 14 08:07:01 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:07:01 +0000 Subject: OFF: Movies Message-ID: > Never sat through the entire movie; loved Theresa Russell though. Quick > question was Huggy a pimp in this one also? If memory serves, he was a homeless guy. -- Nick From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu May 14 12:07:40 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 17:07:40 +0100 Subject: OFF: anon.penet.fi In-Reply-To: Hulsebos A's message of Thu, 14 May 1998 17:46:25 +0200 Message-ID: Hulsebos A writes: > It's true, however, that you still can figure out where encrypted mail gets > sent to. But that's also true for a letter. The anonymous remailer just > makes sure that the return address is only known at the remailer. A better anon remailer would either maintain a constant flood of traffic to prevent traffic analysis, or at least save hundreds of messages and mail them all out at once. I did like the dead letter drop in the movie of The Saint though. His instructions were encrypted and stegged into a picture dropped as a dead letter in a binaries newsgroup. If that had been sent through a decent anonymous remailer then it'd be hard to get the message, the sender, or the recipient, or indeed even to know there was a message. As perfect a spy protoicol as you could ask for, which is propably a big part of the reason the net worries the spooks so much. FoFP From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu May 14 12:21:06 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:21:06 -0700 Subject: OFF: Pound Hound - Help Me Ted Message-ID: Ted>hey Ghost... check this out! you know that the new KX is expected sometime around the beginning of Fall.....well someone from Metal Blade posted at the FW ng that that's about the same time the FW live album should be out...and there's talk of a King's X/Galactic Cowboys/Fates Warning tour this fall!! and Ty has already announced that they're going to start touring in October!!! maybe you ought to start wheeling and dealing now for another kitchen pass from CinC House, eh? this really sucks though since I'm supposed to be moving to the UK in July........ Ted Say this ain't so puhlease? This presents some really serious problems for me, far beyond CinC - House. You put these three bands on the same ticket and... 1) A club like Jaxx is gonna charge some really inflated ticket prices. Small capacity and huge demand only work for the venue owner. 2) How the hell is anybody gonna be able to see this if you ain't at Ticket Bastards with your sleeping bag days before show goes on sale. I don't have a sleeping bag! Both Fates and GC tore up Jaxx, Fates PSoG tour more recent of course. Then KX and GC flattened the Bayou under the bridge in G'town. Don't think KX likes Jaxx, they always seem to hit the Bayou. Fates pulls great crowds at Jaxx. Which venue are they gonna choose? IMHO both of these venues are way too freakin' small for a show this big. Now as far as CinC-House you got that right. One possible saving grace and this is a stretch. I have to take her to the Earth Wind and Fire Gig, end of August (Not a bad deal as I love to see these guys play too) - and - Gary Hoey better stop in this burg before the KX/GC/FW gig. Possibilitiy of getting some All Access badges for this one, (Gary's such a kewl dude). If she got to see that show from behind the stage and hang out with Gary, I'm good to go. If I could get this double header in CinC- House won't even realize I left for the night to froog with KX. Hey maybe if they added Dream Theater to the mix somehow they could do an outdoor arena tour, would have to be quick though. Pull some strings for me Ted. BTW living in the UK you're gonna have some great benefits too. While there keep an eye out for some of these guys: Threshold (I'll give you a sample with the Savatage package) Pink Cream 69 (dumb name but they can rock) Helloween (former lead singer for PC69, now fronts Helloween making them awesome.) and Pretty Maids. Lots of great bands in Europe that you can't find over here. Your CD collection is gonna grow. Theo>Hey, he looked like shit 20 years ago, but he's still one of the coolest dudes in rock... Too true and I bet he's scored more than any ten guys on this list combined, well maybe five. As an Axe wielder Theo who would you say has the better chance of scoring big, Lead Vox, Lead Gtr., bass or drums? Don't be shy, tell us the truth. Ghost in the Ruins 36 hours to the start of Spawn, 2nd series on HBO. Bastid that I am in case ya'll are wondering first episode is Spawn vs. Chapel, the long awaited showdown. Thought I'd ruin it for ya hehehehehehehehehehe CHR. this evil thing is fun man. From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu May 14 20:17:29 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 17:17:29 -0700 Subject: OFF: Son Volt Message-ID: They other half being Wilco. Alt-country being the in thing in certain quarters. They've all basically taken The Byrds "Sweetheart Of The Rodeo" as their template. When it's good (Jayhawks/Wilco/Son Volt) it's good, when it's bad it's awful. Zeit > They are sorta alterna-country-rock, quite "in vogue" tho not my cuppa tea > - I think its the other half of the now defunct Uncle Tupelo (the other > half are pretty well known too but whose name escape me). > > Chr. -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ E-zine: http://zeitgeist-scot.com/ Personal e-mail: zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com Shortcut to Record Hunter http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/hunter.html RH e-mail: record.hunter at dial.pipex.com From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu May 14 20:20:14 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 17:20:14 -0700 Subject: OFF: New Deep Purple Message-ID: Well it is good (and I spak as a major Blackmore fan. The great thing is in these technologically advance days is - they're posting the tracks on the web site in advance of the release. They're doing it gradually so point a bookmark to http://www.deep-purple.com/ Zeit brian halligan wrote: > > With the talk of the new Monster Magnet CD, > I thought I should mention that the new Deep > Purple CD, "Abandon" (starring Steve Morse > as Ritchie Blackmore) will be out in the US > on June 2nd, and the UK on May 27th. > > Fanboy reviews have been positive (what > else?) so far. The word on the street is > "heavy". Gotta like that... > > For upstate New Yorkers, DP with ELP > and Dream Theater will hit the Finger Lakes > Performing Arts Center on August 14th. Tix > go on sale May 18th. > > Check out http://www.deep-purple.com > for more info. Or listen to a clip of the > 1st single "Any Fule No That" on the > CMC site: http://www.cmcinternational.com > (For those of us who didn't check it religiously > [scientologiously?] in the weeks before Heaven Forbid > came out.) > > Yes, it is a slow work day. > Brian > > "Murder is only an extroverted suicide" > -Monty Python -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ E-zine: http://zeitgeist-scot.com/ Personal e-mail: zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com Shortcut to Record Hunter http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/hunter.html RH e-mail: record.hunter at dial.pipex.com From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu May 14 20:30:28 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 17:30:28 -0700 Subject: OFF: A Monster Magnet Powertrip Message-ID: Well I asked but no-one knows anything about a new Sundial release. All that was listed were the usual 1990 Other Way Out Continuum 1992 Fazer DEI 1993 Reflecter Ufo 1993 Libertine Beggars Banquet 1995 Acid Yantra " Zeit > -- > Captain Cloud > capcloud at palmnet.net > > ObQuestion: anyone know where to purchase the recent Sundial release? -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ E-zine: http://zeitgeist-scot.com/ Personal e-mail: zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com Shortcut to Record Hunter http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/hunter.html RH e-mail: record.hunter at dial.pipex.com From arjanh at CS.VU.NL Thu May 14 12:30:41 1998 From: arjanh at CS.VU.NL (Hulsebos A) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 18:30:41 +0200 Subject: OFF: anon.penet.fi In-Reply-To: <199805141607.RAA18346@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> from "M Holmes" at May 14, 98 05:07:40 pm Message-ID: M Holmes har 'zegd: > > A better anon remailer would either maintain a constant flood of traffic > to prevent traffic analysis, or at least save hundreds of messages and > mail them all out at once. Why would that help? The only thing that could prevent traffic analysis is sending 10 times as much bogus messages out (for the remailer). There's nothing you can do about traffic analysis on incoming messages, unless you're spoofing your address. But then noone could ever reply to that message..... > > I did like the dead letter drop in the movie of The Saint though. His > instructions were encrypted and stegged into a picture dropped as a dead > letter in a binaries newsgroup. If that had been sent through a decent > anonymous remailer then it'd be hard to get the message, the sender, or > the recipient, or indeed even to know there was a message. As perfect a > spy protocol as you could ask for, which is propably a big part of the > reason the net worries the spooks so much. You just have to agree beforehand where to post the encoded messages...... which makes it a little less perfect. Arjan H -- Disclaimer? Whaddayamean, disclaimer? This is 1998! Arjan Hulsebos -- arjanh at cs.vu.nl For more info (last updated April 9,1998): finger -l arjanh at top.cs.vu.nl From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu May 14 12:52:13 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:52:13 -0400 Subject: OFF: anon.penet.fi In-Reply-To: <199805141607.RAA18346@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 May 1998, M Holmes wrote: > Hulsebos A writes: > > > It's true, however, that you still can figure out where encrypted mail gets > > sent to. But that's also true for a letter. The anonymous remailer just > > makes sure that the return address is only known at the remailer. > > A better anon remailer would either maintain a constant flood of traffic > to prevent traffic analysis, or at least save hundreds of messages and > mail them all out at once. Actually, the anonymous remailer network does take into account traffic analysis. There is a network of remailers, and a message entering the system will get randomly circulated through the network before being delivered to its intended recipient. Additionally, there can be a random delay at each remailer stage, so that the next message out of the remailer is not necessarily the one that just went in. I agree with the other poster about unencrypted e-mail being like a postcard. You don't even really need much in the way of privileges to read it, either: if your LAN has Windoze 95 systems on it (as increreasingly is the case), just run an ethernet packet sniffer that looks for SMTP packets, et voila! (Although I also agree with the other poster about why the heck would anyone want to read someone else's e-mail; I have enough trouble keeping up with my own!) A good way to combat packet sniffing is to use something like SSH---a drop-in replacement for the Berkeley "r" commands (rsh, rcp, etc.) which encrypts all its traffic going over the wire. SSH is your friend. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Bevis Frond, _New River Head_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu May 14 12:57:39 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:57:39 -0400 Subject: OFF: A Monster Magnet Powertrip In-Reply-To: <355B8CA4.7746@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 May 1998, Stuart Hamilton wrote: > Well I asked but no-one knows anything about a new Sundial release. > All that was listed were the usual > 1990 Other Way Out Continuum This, and _Return Journey_ were also released on CD by GaAs Records. > 1992 Fazer DEI > 1993 Reflecter Ufo > 1993 Libertine Beggars Banquet > 1995 Acid Yantra " There's also _Live Drug_; I forget which label (the CD is at home). Cheers, Paul. ob$2BargainCD: Gary Hoey, _Endless Summer II_ soundtrack e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu May 14 13:06:21 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 13:06:21 -0400 Subject: OFF: anon.penet.fi In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 14 May 1998, Hulsebos A wrote: > is sending 10 times as much bogus messages out (for the remailer). There's > nothing you can do about traffic analysis on incoming messages, unless > you're spoofing your address. But then noone could ever reply to > that message..... Not necessarily. You e-mail to the remailer, and the encrypted body of the e-mail message contains its intended recipient. (I think this is how the anonymous remailer network actually works. If not, it should.:) That way, traffic analysis only shows that you are sending loads of messages to the remailer, but not who they're for. The anonymous remailer can also add some "noise" to the messages that are being circulated through the remailer network, the noise being stripped off at the receiving end. That, combined with random delay ordering, helps defeat analysis based upon message size. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Santana, _Abraxas_ (30th Anniversary Edition) e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu May 14 13:14:48 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 18:14:48 +0100 Subject: OFF: anon.penet.fi In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Thu, 14 May 1998 12:52:13 -0400 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > Actually, the anonymous remailer network does take into account traffic > analysis. There is a network of remailers, and a message entering the > system will get randomly circulated through the network before being > delivered to its intended recipient. Additionally, there can be a > random delay at each remailer stage, so that the next message out of the > remailer is not necessarily the one that just went in. Excellent. It occurred to me that an improvement which would prevent the scientology problem would be an, err, anonymous anonymous remailer. I haven't thought through protocols but what I had in mind was something working on the Web as if it were some kind of WORMOS system. Basically the remailer program would wander the web randomly looking for somewhere to execute itself. It would collect encrypted messages sent to it and send them out with as much blinding for traffic analysis as possible, then relocate again. It would also accept encrypted commands, as necessary from its owner, perhaps by the dead letter drop method previously discussed. The advatage would be that it wouldn't be clear where the program was or in what legal jurisdiction and who was in fact controlling it. This would make it more difficult for anyone to take injunctions to obtain disclosure. > Paul. FoFP From mordru at GEKKO.NET Thu May 14 13:43:00 1998 From: mordru at GEKKO.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 13:43:00 -0400 Subject: OFF: L-Ron Message-ID: >I'll try to be more obscure next time...! That was a good run tho - and >Keith Giffen cloned himself into my brain for all eternity with his Ambush >Bug stuff. Absolutely brilliant! Ahh... Ambush Bug... the one truly good excuse for what Giffen's art eventually degenerated into (I mean, just glancing at his defenders or early legion work and comparing it to his latter-day legion, heckler, PunX, etc. work is almost painful).... But it worked for Ambush Bug. Some of my favorite moments.... "Villian the Villain", whose job it was to remind people how to spell "Villain". "Mind Slaves of the Caption King" "Argh! Yle!, evilest of socks..." "Cheeks! (choke) the Toy Wonder!" "Mitsu Bishi, Japan's official Giant Monster Slayer" I think my favorite would be the Summer "nothing" Special, aka "The Book of Jobs", in which Ambush Bug attempted to travel through time in an attempt to outlive Julie Schwartz. Sometime between Bob Flemings "Forever Ambush" chapter and Keith Giffen's attempt to write the book by himself, with his dead-on parody of Todd McFarlane.... "Advantageous!", I lost it, pretty much ruining my first copy and necessitating the purchase of another... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at gekko.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu May 14 13:57:14 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 18:57:14 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: Scientology In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Thu, 14 May 1998 17:02:52 +0100 Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > > several hours. If you blink, the auditor will say 'Flunk!' and the whole > > thing starts again. > > Isn't that a technique to get rid of the "Clam Engram" whic causes > people to open their mouths at inappropriate moments (left over from us > being clams during our evolutionary period). We're descended from clams? So maybe I should learn shell-script and get in touch with my inner self? jill obUnrelatedInterviewThought: Ruby Wax meets Hunter Thompson ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu May 14 14:31:53 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 20:31:53 +0200 Subject: OFF: Ambush Clam Buggin (OFF: L-Ron) Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold writes: > Ahh... Ambush Bug... the one truly good excuse for > what Giffen's art eventually degenerated into (I mean, > just glancing at his defenders or early legion work > and comparing it to his latter-day legion, heckler, > PunX, etc. work is almost painful).... Well.... his early superhero stuff is pretty run-of-the mill innit. Around the time of Legion (early 80s) his stuff started getting stylized (read: Euro/Argentinian) enough to be interesting... and then someone gave him a typewriter >shudder< Heckler was GREAT - IMO... His previous Ambush Bug stuff (not to mention all his other Action Comics stuff completely defacing Superman) was great too... When he started abstracting towards Munoz and importing it to established super-hero comics and bringing down all that was holy... DC (and Julie Schwarz, former editor of various mags H. P. Lovecraft and L. Ron Hubbard used to write for) saw no other way than to isolate him with his own series along with that other dissident Fleming... result being the abomination AKA Ambush Bug.. >shudder< I agree tho, nothing of his the past 5-6 years has been worth investigating... >shudder< > Some of my favorite moments.... > > "Villian the Villain", whose job it was to remind people > how to spell "Villain". > > "Mind Slaves of the Caption King" > > "Argh! Yle!, evilest of socks..." This guy is immortal! >shudder< > "Cheeks! (choke) the Toy Wonder!" > > "Mitsu Bishi, Japan's official Giant Monster Slayer" > > I think my favorite would be the Summer "nothing" Special, > aka "The Book of Jobs", in which Ambush Bug attempted to > travel through time in an attempt to outlive Julie Schwartz. Ah, the good old days when Superman would visit the cheerful editor of Action Comics back on "Earth-Prime" just to discuss the next story... >shudder< > Sometime between Bob Flemings "Forever Ambush" chapter and > Keith Giffen's attempt to write the book by himself, with > his dead-on parody of Todd McFarlane.... > "Advantageous!", I lost it, pretty much ruining my first > copy and necessitating the purchase of another... I have every single Ambush Bug appearance ever right next to me - incl. the 1982 Supergirl one (and all the cameos, incl. Crisis and Swamp Thing - yes, they locked me up (I shared a cell with Psycho Pirate even) but I got better after Grant Morrison fixed my brain ressurecting the Infinite Earths in Animal Man. >shudder< Chr. ObCD: Icarus - The Marvel World Of Icarus (wrong universe, yes, but does it matter??) "Rope 'em and ride 'em!" - Robert Crumb "Catch a falling star, put it in your pocket" - UFO From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu May 14 15:48:56 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 15:48:56 -0400 Subject: HW: Cyberspace Interview Message-ID: Hi Folks... If you've been to www.hawkwind.com lately, you'll notice that the fourth installment of the Cyberspace Interviews is now in progress. The guest this time out is Liquid Len! So time to get your questions in. Keith H. (FAA) P.S. They've got a pretty cool photo of the Atomhenge stage set up there. First time I've ever really seen it. The photo collage on the Tales from Atomhenge CD booklet just doesn't give you an accurate picture of what it was like. So, who actually saw it in person?? From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu May 14 15:56:07 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 15:56:07 -0400 Subject: OFF: was MM, now SunDial Message-ID: Zeit says... >Well I asked but no-one knows anything about a new Sundial release. >All that was listed were the usual >1990 Other Way Out Continuum >1992 Fazer DEI >1993 Reflecter Ufo >1993 Libertine Beggars Banquet >1995 Acid Yantra " >> Captain Cloud >> ObQuestion: anyone know where to purchase the recent Sundial release? Hmmmm...I haven't heard anything about a new release, but I've seen a pre-Sundial Gary Ramon CD recently (I can't remember the band's name). Is this a recent reissue or has this one been around awhile? And how does it compare to RJ and OWO...Carl? Keith H. (FAA) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu May 14 16:16:43 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 16:16:43 -0400 Subject: OFF: Movies Message-ID: Chr. speaks... >Heck when I was young I hated Brazil, movie made no sense to me at all. Seeing it >now puts it in my hall of fame. Sigh when your young, dumb and have no future its >amazing what your taste buds will discern. Uh I'm talking about my self here OK? 'Brazil' is the only (fictional) movie I've ever seen that constitutes a truly worthwhile experience, that is, above and beyond simple diversionary entertainment. Well, 2001 comes close, and maybe the Wall, despite it's faults. Of course, I don't go to a whole lot of movies (nor do I rent them), for the very reason that nearly all of them are immediately forgettable. So in the last year, I've only seen 'In and Out' (good fun!), 'Contact' (ok, but a lot of stupid characters), 'Men in Black' (dull), and the James Bond flick (ok, but diversionary only). Oh, and I saw 'The Fifth Element' on video, which was completely awful. And I also saw Blade Runner for the first time, and I don't understand what's the big deal about it...pretty ordinary stuff IMHO - no better than Total Recall. On the subject of Gilliam, I also quite liked 12 Monkeys, which I actually went and saw twice! Unprecedented for me. And the 'FAA' in my sig is derived from that movie. I see he's got 'Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas' coming out soon. What's it like?? Keith H. (FAA) ObHWmovie: I've seen 'The Final Programme' but never managed to find HW in the background. Where is it?? From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu May 14 17:08:47 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 22:08:47 +0100 Subject: OFF: Movies In-Reply-To: <199805142016.QAA20470@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: > 'Brazil' is the only (fictional) movie I've ever seen that constitutes a > truly worthwhile experience, that is, above and beyond simple diversionary > entertainment. Now if you were John Travolta, that would make a good blurb :) > And I also saw > Blade Runner > for the first time, and I don't understand what's the big deal about > it...pretty ordinary stuff IMHO - no better than Total Recall. If you'd seen it in 1982, it wouldn't have looked like every other sci-fi movie you've ever seen... - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu May 14 17:36:07 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 23:36:07 +0200 Subject: OFF: Movies Message-ID: > > Chr. speaks... Nossir! Wasn't me! > >Heck when I was young I hated Brazil, movie made no sense to me at all. > Seeing it >now puts it in my hall of fame. Sigh when your young, dumb and > have no future its >amazing what your taste buds will discern. Uh I'm > talking about my self here OK? ....tho I'll have to agree: the perfect crossbreed of Clockwork Orange and Metropolis/1984 in all dystopian respects. Great flick. > 'Brazil' is the only (fictional) movie I've ever seen that constitutes a > truly worthwhile experience, that is, above and beyond simple diversionary > entertainment. Well, 2001 comes close, Insanely overrated film IM(H)O.... and maybe the Wall, despite it's > faults. So that leaves about... what, 3 seconds of it? 1? 0? ;-) > Of course, I don't go to a whole lot of movies (nor do I rent > them), for the very reason that nearly all of them are immediately > forgettable. *sigh* well, I rarely go to the theatres myself but... have you seen considered anything ASIDE from SF flicks? No???? Well... So in the last year, I've only seen 'In and Out' (good fun!), > 'Contact' (ok, but a lot of stupid characters), 'Men in Black' (dull), and > the James Bond flick (ok, but diversionary only). Never saw any those meself... Oh, and I saw 'The Fifth > Element' on video, which was completely awful. Pretty damn dreadful film, especially Gaultier's shameless ripping off of the costumes and haircuts of Mike Baron/Steve Rude's Nexus comics. And I also saw Blade Runner > for the first time, and I don't understand what's the big deal about > it...pretty ordinary stuff IMHO - no better than Total Recall. Wah! > On the subject of Gilliam, I also quite liked 12 Monkeys, which I actually > went and saw twice! Unprecedented for me. And the 'FAA' in my sig is > derived from that movie. I see he's got 'Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas' > coming out soon. What's it like?? Probably quite Gilliam-esque! > Keith H. (FAA) > > ObHWmovie: I've seen 'The Final Programme' but never managed to find HW in > the background. Where is it?? Put on the 3D glasses. Chr. "Rope 'em and ride 'em!" - Robert Crumb "Catch a falling star, put it in your pocket" - UFO From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Thu May 14 18:26:57 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (SPRAWL) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 18:26:57 -0400 Subject: OFF: was MM, now SunDial Message-ID: Didn't see these in the following list... Bad Drug Live Return Journey. rj Keith Henderson wrote: > > Zeit says... > > >Well I asked but no-one knows anything about a new Sundial release. > >All that was listed were the usual > >1990 Other Way Out Continuum > >1992 Fazer DEI > >1993 Reflecter Ufo > >1993 Libertine Beggars Banquet > >1995 Acid Yantra " > > >> Captain Cloud > >> ObQuestion: anyone know where to purchase the recent Sundial release? > > Hmmmm...I haven't heard anything about a new release, but I've seen a > pre-Sundial Gary Ramon CD recently (I can't remember the band's name). Is > this a recent reissue or has this one been around awhile? And how does it > compare to RJ and OWO...Carl? > > Keith H. (FAA) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu May 14 20:28:55 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 00:28:55 +0000 Subject: OFF: was MM, now SunDial Message-ID: On tor 14 maj 1998 15.56 -0400 "Keith Henderson" wrote: > Hmmmm...I haven't heard anything about a new release, but I've seen a > pre-Sundial Gary Ramon CD recently (I can't remember the band's name). Is > this a recent reissue or has this one been around awhile? And how does it > compare to RJ and OWO...Carl? I don't know! I had a US source for a pre-Sundial CD which contained a cover of Mike Nesmith's "Circle Sky", but although I asked Tania to order it she utterly forgot to do so. No idea whether it's still available or not :( Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From talger at PIPELINE.COM Thu May 14 20:11:44 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 20:11:44 -0400 Subject: OFF: Pound Hound - Help Me Ted In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ghost sez: >Say this ain't so puhlease? This presents some really serious problems >for me, far beyond CinC - House. You put these three bands on the same >ticket and... > well, no real confirmation yet, but the guy that said it supposedly works for Metal Blade, and I have no reason to doubt him. he just said it was being talked about. don't have any idea where they would play if they got this far east... FW played Daytona's up here (so did KX when it was still AL Gator's). to me, the bigger question is...Who the hell is gonna want to go on last? I'm sure GC would probably open, but if you were either of the other 2 bands.... would YOU want to have to go on last??? > >Now as far as CinC-House you got that right. One possible saving grace SNIP >If I could get this double header in CinC- House won't even realize I >left for the night to froog with KX. Hey maybe if they added Dream >Theater to the mix somehow they could do an outdoor arena tour, would >have to be quick though. > good luck man! >Pull some strings for me Ted. oh sure, like I've got any influence there! if I could do anything about that, I'd be here to go to the shows myself... as it is, I REALLY doubt that this package will make it to the UK.... sigh.... >BTW living in the UK you're gonna have >some great benefits too. While there keep an eye out for some of these >guys: Threshold (I'll give you a sample with the Savatage package) Pink >Cream 69 (dumb name but they can rock) Helloween (former lead singer for >PC69, now fronts Helloween making them awesome.) and Pretty Maids. Lots >of great bands in Europe that you can't find over here. Your CD >collection is gonna grow. > dunno.... saw Helloween many years back when Kiske(?) was still singing and wasn't really that impressed....of course they were better than the last band that night - the horrible Grim Reaper (at least they had a good intro tape.... some "Reaper" song :-) ) , but they got blown off the stage by the middle band that night - Armored Saint! and I never really cared much for Pretty Maids when I lived in Germany... always thought they were a cheap imitation of Iron Maiden I'll definitely keep it in mind... though I don't know how much of a music scene Harrogate is likely to have, and I don't know how often I'm likely to get into either York or Leeds... good luck on the quest for the fabled Kitchen Pass ;-) Ted From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu May 14 20:44:11 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 19:44:11 -0500 Subject: OFF: Larry and Mike Message-ID: >It's like this Michael Jordan shit - he tried to strong-arm the owner of the Bulls into keeping coach Phil Jackson, and because they won't, he's retiring! Good fucking riddance to him I say! The guy is a basketball player (albeit arguably the best to ever play the game - although I am biased toward ex-Celtic Larry Bird - hey, I'm from Boston), he is NOT the owner, coach, or a businessman. He should stick to what he knows how to do, collect his millions, and shut the fuck up! >Whew - did that come out of ME?? I'd better go get some coffee... ;-) Hey now. Bird, Mchale, Parrish, Ainge, DJ et.al, won, what 3 championships? One was Fitch the other two KC? What if Celtics Mgmt. told Bird/Mchale they were dumpng KC after he'd won his first championship? Don't think Larry would have held his tongue very long. I can't imagine Jordan playing for anyone other than the Bulls. He will retire this way, his only real desire is to mark his team to nearly equal consideration with the Celtics Dynasty. He can't possibly win as many championships as the Celtics did, no way. He, Pippen, Jackson, Rodman all want to go out when it ends. Until you beat Mike, he's going to stay. Bird did the same, it was the intelligence of the Boston front office thats the difference here. They understand the great players, championship guys. Money mongers don't. That coffee still hot? Ghost From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu May 14 21:43:21 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 21:43:21 -0400 Subject: OFF: was MM, now SunDial Message-ID: Carl surprisingly can't help much... >On tor 14 maj 1998 15.56 -0400 "Keith Henderson" >wrote: >> Hmmmm...I haven't heard anything about a new release, but I've seen a >> pre-Sundial Gary Ramon CD recently (I can't remember the band's name). >>Is this a recent reissue or has this one been around awhile? And how does >>it compare to RJ and OWO...Carl? > > I don't know! I had a US source for a pre-Sundial CD which contained >a cover of Mike Nesmith's "Circle Sky", but although I asked Tania to >order it she utterly forgot to do so. No idea whether it's still >available or not :( OK, I did some searching, and have come up with some info. The one I was talking about (which I assume you were too, although I couldn't find a track list to confirm the presence of 'Circle Sky') was 'All Aboard the Mind Train' by the group 'Modern Art.' It was recorded in 1989, shortly before the formation of SunDial proper, but was not released on CD until 1994, after Gary Ramon had the tapes cleaned up. I found it on several of the major online stores, usu. listed as 'backorder' and for some exhorbitant price, like $32-$40. But then, I discovered that both Cranium (in NZ) and Delerium (in the UK) both list it for reasonable prices (US$18 and UKP12, respectively). Those places should be the best sources for it, and I think I may order one myself now, as it may disappear soon. Strangely, RPM doesn't list it. :( (The copy I saw was at Mod Lang in Berkeley, CA, and I ain't going back out there just for this CD!) Keith H. (FAA) From capcloud at PALMNET.NET Thu May 14 23:01:39 1998 From: capcloud at PALMNET.NET (Captain Cloud) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 23:01:39 -0400 Subject: OFF: was MM, now SunDial Message-ID: The new Sundial I am looking for is supposedly named 'Electric Mistress Versus Bad Stone Volume 2', on Gary Ramon's Acme record label. I thought I'd seen a post here on BOC-L mentioning this CD, and that it was some kind of rarities or B-sides or some kind of collection of previously-released(?) items. Anyway, I haven't seen anyone carrying it, so I'm really just trying to confirm it's existence and maybe find a potential source. -- Captain Cloud capcloud at palmnet.net http://www5.palmnet.net/~capcloud/ ObTune: ST37 - SpaceAge - "Orgone Accumulator" From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu May 14 23:29:11 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 05:29:11 +0200 Subject: OFF: was MM, now SunDial Message-ID: Good morning beautiful sunshine world! Cap'n Cloud says: > The new Sundial I am looking for is supposedly named > 'Electric Mistress Versus Bad Stone Volume 2', on Gary > Ramon's Acme record label. > > I thought I'd seen a post here on BOC-L mentioning this > CD, and that it was some kind of rarities or B-sides or > some kind of collection of previously-released(?) items. > > Anyway, I haven't seen anyone carrying it, so I'm really > just trying to confirm it's existence and maybe find a > potential source. I saw it reported in Record Collector and posted about it here a month or two back... I think the brief article even went into detail about SavX's cover art... but whether or not it actually came out... I've looked for it myself and turned up with nada... Chr. (pro-noun-ced "cur" as in "curr-y", just like "currrrr") "Where's the medicine!?" - H. Leroy Newton "MEATBALL!" - Robert Crumb > > ObTune: ST37 - SpaceAge - "Orgone Accumulator" From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Fri May 15 00:54:58 1998 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuckrecs) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 00:54:58 EDT Subject: Off: Ozrics' Jurassic Shift FS Message-ID: Hi, I have an extra CD copy of this. It's fine except that some dip cut a "promo"-corner off of the front right of the insert--fortunately there are no lyrics or liner-notes chopped, just parts of a photo. Anyway, it's $5. Charlie From niko.makila at RESEARCH.NOKIA.COM Fri May 15 02:26:59 1998 From: niko.makila at RESEARCH.NOKIA.COM (Niko Makila) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 09:26:59 +0300 Subject: OFF: anon.penet.fi In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 14 May 1998 11:22:37 EDT." <355B0C3D.E71C8AF3@fcmc.com> Message-ID: Marc's message dated: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:22:37 EDT > > Actually e-mail shouldn't be public but its not at all secure and anyone > with the right permissions at a mail gateway can read your mail if its > not encrypted. Like the Sysadmins at your ISP for instance. That's true. When I said e-mail isn't public, I didn't mean it technically but legally. At least here in Finland e-mail is protected by law in the same way as ordinary mail (i.e., very strictly). Still it's very easy to read someone's mail if you get into the right position and most often even harder to prove that you have read that mail if you're careful. But listening someone's phone is equally easy once you get to the right place, although getting there is harder thanks to poor security on most Internet sites. An interesting point is that people are often worried about someone reading their mail, although a much bigger problem would probably be if someone else *wrote* their mail. Just for the record, the guy who ran the anon.penet.fi is called Johan `Julf' Helsingius, not "Jurt" as someone said. //niko From arjanh at CS.VU.NL Fri May 15 03:40:53 1998 From: arjanh at CS.VU.NL (Hulsebos A) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 09:40:53 +0200 Subject: OFF: anon.penet.fi In-Reply-To: <199805141714.SAA08362@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> from "M Holmes" at May 14, 98 06:14:48 pm Message-ID: OK, folks, once more, then I'll shut up..... M Holmes har 'zegd: > > Paul Mather writes: > > > Actually, the anonymous remailer network does take into account traffic > > analysis. There is a network of remailers, and a message entering the > > system will get randomly circulated through the network before being > > delivered to its intended recipient. Additionally, there can be a > > random delay at each remailer stage, so that the next message out of the > > remailer is not necessarily the one that just went in. > > Excellent. > > It occurred to me that an improvement which would prevent the > scientology problem would be an, err, anonymous anonymous remailer. BUT: make sure that the web of remailers are located in as much countries as possible (for obvious reasons). But it still doesn't solve the problem of that human rights person in Absurdistan (or any other nasty country) modemming out... There's the real bottle-neck, me thinketh.... > > Paul. > > FoFP Arjan H -- Disclaimer? Whaddayamean, disclaimer? This is 1998! Arjan Hulsebos -- arjanh at cs.vu.nl For more info (last updated April 9,1998): finger -l arjanh at top.cs.vu.nl From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri May 15 08:08:55 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:08:55 +0100 Subject: HW: Cyberspace Interview In-Reply-To: Keith Henderson's message of Thu, 14 May 1998 15:48:56 -0400 Message-ID: Keith Henderson writes: > P.S. They've got a pretty cool photo of the Atomhenge stage set up there. > First time I've ever really seen it. The photo collage on the Tales from > Atomhenge CD booklet just doesn't give you an accurate picture of what it > was like. So, who actually saw it in person?? I saw the chopped down version that they used on the Spirit of the Age tour in 1977. I also saw the now legendary Wind of Change video with the tree growing. FoFP From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri May 15 08:39:47 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 08:39:47 -0400 Subject: OFF: Larry and Mike Message-ID: >Hey now. Bird, Mchale, Parrish, Ainge, DJ et.al, won, what 3 championships? One was Fitch the other two KC? What if Celtics Mgmt. told Bird/Mchale they were dumpng KC after he'd won his first championship? Well, the DID dump him after they won a 2nd with him... >Don't think Larry would have held his tongue very long. Don't know. Maybe. I didn't hear as much about the "off-the-court" stuff back then as I do now. My impression of Bird is that he always went out and did his job no matter what. Some of the stuff he did with his back in the condition it was in boggles my mind. But, I don't want to try and draw comparisions between Larry and Mike in terms of character. But, if Larry Bird threatened to retire simply because "his coach" wasn't kept, I'd expect that people wouldn't look too highly on that. >I can't imagine Jordan playing for anyone other than the Bulls. Well, I never said he should. But people go through coaching changes all the time. You mean to tell me that arguably the greatest player in the NBA can't adjust to a new coach? Hell, his offensive strategy is probably just gonna be "give the ball to Mike" anyway... >Until you beat Mike, he's going to stay. Bird did the same No, Bird got out because his back was shot. >it was the intelligence of the Boston front office thats the difference here. They understand the great players, championship guys. Money mongers don't. Well, it's hard to debate the financial ins and outs of all this. However, the Celtics have had a number of setbacks since their last championship, some of which could be argued that they held onto some of the veterans too long (the deaths of Len Bias and Reggie Lewis didn't help either). But, the Celtics have been a mediocre team for several years now. John From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Fri May 15 08:53:14 1998 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 14:53:14 +0200 Subject: HW: Appearance at Open Air Festival cancelled Message-ID: Hi folks Sad news again (especially for the German HAWKFANS) HAWKWIND will not play at the Open Air gig in southwest Germany on 23.05.1998 This means now that all 4 HAWKWIND gigs in Belgium, Holland and Germany are cancelled :-(( The reason is (you won't believe it): Money problems :-( Bernhard From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri May 15 10:49:41 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 14:49:41 +0000 Subject: OFF: Larry and Mike Message-ID: >I can't imagine Jordan playing for anyone other than the Bulls. Of course, there are those of us who will always think of him as ex-UNC :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri May 15 09:58:11 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 14:58:11 +0100 Subject: HW: Appearance at Open Air Festival cancelled In-Reply-To: Pospiech, Bernhard's message of Fri, 15 May 1998 14:53:14 +0200 Message-ID: Pospiech, Bernhard writes: > This means now that all 4 HAWKWIND gigs in Belgium, Holland and Germany > are cancelled :-(( > > The reason is (you won't believe it): Money problems :-( Does anyone know how much they'd want to come and play my birthday party? > Bernhard FoFP From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri May 15 10:15:51 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 09:15:51 -0500 Subject: No subject Message-ID: >You put these three bands on the same >ticket and... Ted>well, no real confirmation yet, but the guy that said it supposedly works for Metal Blade, and I have no reason to doubt him. he just said it was being talked about. Well hope they keep talking. I expect that at a minimum GC and KX will tour. Ted>don't have any idea where they would play if they got this far east... FW played Daytona's up here (so did KX when it was still AL Gator's). Definitely the club scene if its this late in the year. Certainly not Merriweather or Nissan, too big and likely booked. Daytona, Jaxx et. al is where its likely to happen. Three label mates = high tix prices in any event. Ted>to me, the bigger question is...Who the hell is gonna want to go on last? I'm sure GC would probably open, but if you were either of the other 2 bands.... would YOU want to have to go on last??? Naw this is cake. GC to open followed by FW with KX on top. FW and KX may trade occassionally based on who's bigger in a certain area. >Pull some strings for me Ted. Ted>oh sure, like I've got any influence there! if I could do anything about that, I'd be here to go to the shows myself... as it is, I REALLY doubt that this package will make it to the UK.... sigh.... Sure you do, you know everbody. 8>). Talk to Ty and Doug get them out here now for a bar-b-que. >BTW living in the UK you're gonna have >some great benefits too. T-man>dunno.... saw Helloween many years back when Kiske(?) was still singing and wasn't really that impressed....of course they were better than the last band that night - the horrible Grim Reaper (at least they had a good intro tape.... some "Reaper" song :-) ) , but they got blown off the stage by the middle band that night - Armored Saint! Got some Kiske Helloween (Keys I and II) sounds alternately like Rik Emmett and Geoff Tate. Not bad. Andi Deris former Pink Cream 69 is on vox now and this guy can sing. Even if the music is similar Deris has a much better voice. New Helloween is supposedly quite good. Ted> and I never really cared much for Pretty Maids when I lived in Germany... always thought they were a cheap imitation of Iron Maiden Just basic rockers really. They are not bad, certainly sounds better that America's Whine movement rock & roll. T-man>I'll definitely keep it in mind... though I don't know how much of a music scene Harrogate is likely to have, and I don't know how often I'm likely to get into either York or Leeds... As long as you have music stores its ok. Know anything about HW? ted>good luck on the quest for the fabled Kitchen Pass ;-) I'll need it but may decide to run away from home. Yeah I feel for you with the timing. KX never really does Europe though FW and GC do. Who knows maybe this will be a world tour kinda thing. Putting these three together would definitely be attractive to European and Japanese crowds. Gonna spin some OOTSP in tribute to you. How long is your tour anyway, 2-3 years? Ghost Ted From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Fri May 15 10:28:00 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 16:28:00 +0200 Subject: HW: Appearance at Open Air Festival cancelled In-Reply-To: <199805151358.OAA00469@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi At 14:58 15.05.98 +0100, you wrote: >> This means now that all 4 HAWKWIND gigs in Belgium, Holland and Germany >> are cancelled :-(( >> >> The reason is (you won't believe it): Money problems :-( > >Does anyone know how much they'd want to come and play my birthday >party? Hey, great idea! What about collecting from every member of this list 50 US $ and ask HW to play a very privete gig only for the listmembers. The venue should be somewhere in London. And it would be a great occasion to have a meeting with all (or most) list-members Bernhard From mumford at ONLINE.NO Fri May 15 10:26:16 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 16:26:16 +0200 Subject: HW: Appearance at Open Air Festival cancelled Message-ID: > Pospiech, Bernhard writes: > > > This means now that all 4 HAWKWIND gigs in Belgium, Holland and Germany > > are cancelled :-(( > > > > The reason is (you won't believe it): Money problems :-( > > Does anyone know how much they'd want to come and play my birthday > party? > Probably the same rate Nik charges for doing jazz covers at Bar Mitvahs in US? Chr. > > Bernhard > > FoFP "Where's the medicine!?" - H. Leroy Newton "MEATBALL!" - Robert Crumb From arjanh at CS.VU.NL Fri May 15 10:36:45 1998 From: arjanh at CS.VU.NL (Hulsebos A) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 16:36:45 +0200 Subject: HW: Appearance at Open Air Festival cancelled In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech "Re: HW: Appearance at Open Air Festival cancelled" (May 15, 4:28pm) Message-ID: On May 15, 4:28pm, Bernhard Pospiech wrote: >Hey, great idea! What about collecting from every member of this list 50 US >$ and ask HW to play a very privete gig only for the listmembers. The venue >should be somewhere in London. > >And it would be a great occasion to have a meeting with all (or most) >list-members Crazy idea, won't work. I second this move! But seriously, how big is this list? It just might be feasible. > >Bernhard Arjan H -- Disclaimer? Whaddayamean, disclaimer? This is 1998! Arjan Hulsebos -- arjanh at cs.vu.nl For more info (last updated April 9,1998): finger -l arjanh at top.cs.vu.nl From richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK Fri May 15 10:30:16 1998 From: richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK (Cutting, Richard) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 15:30:16 +0100 Subject: HW: Appearance at Open Air Festival cancelled === Message-ID: Thats a really good idea ! I'd be up for it. Plus we could have a Q + A session with Hawkwind as well. > ---------- > From: Bernhard > Pospiech[SMTP:bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: 15 May 1998 15:28 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: HW: Appearance at Open Air Festival cancelled > > Hi > > At 14:58 15.05.98 +0100, you wrote: > >> This means now that all 4 HAWKWIND gigs in Belgium, Holland and > Germany > >> are cancelled :-(( > >> > >> The reason is (you won't believe it): Money problems :-( > > > >Does anyone know how much they'd want to come and play my birthday > >party? > > Hey, great idea! What about collecting from every member of this list > 50 US > $ and ask HW to play a very privete gig only for the listmembers. The > venue > should be somewhere in London. > > And it would be a great occasion to have a meeting with all (or most) > list-members > > Bernhard > *********************************************************************** LEGAL DISCLAIMER *********************************************************************** The contents of this email and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Synopsys hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this email and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the Technology Department at Synopsys Ltd. on +44 171 250 1990. *********************************************************************** From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri May 15 10:51:14 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 15:51:14 +0100 Subject: HW: Appearance at Open Air Festival cancelled In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Fri, 15 May 1998 16:28:00 +0200 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hey, great idea! What about collecting from every member of this list 50 US > $ and ask HW to play a very privete gig only for the listmembers. The venue > should be somewhere in London. > > And it would be a great occasion to have a meeting with all (or most) > list-members Given some of the feats of organisation displayed by this list, it wouldn't surprise me if we could pull this off. Maybe we could invite the ex-members we can get in touch with also? > Bernhard FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri May 15 11:05:07 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 16:05:07 +0100 Subject: HW: Appearance at Open Air Festival cancelled === In-Reply-To: Cutting, Richard's message of Fri, 15 May 1998 15:30:16 +0100 Message-ID: Cutting, Richard writes: > Thats a really good idea ! I'd be up for it. Plus we could have a Q + > A session with Hawkwind as well. My SO and a bunch of her friends once hired a castle for a weekend. Apparently for some of them, it's not as expensive as you'd imagine. It'd make an ideal Hawkwind gig and accomodation problems would be solved. It'd be kinda neat to see the Black Sword and Warrior stuff played from the battlements of a real castle. Maybe finding one accessible from London would be worth investigating. Jill, do you know anything that would help here? Hell, if the 1999 Party is really going to happen, then someone who *can* organise it probably should. I figure the folks on this list have a better record that Hawkwind management. Mike "If we book the castle They will come..." Holmes From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri May 15 12:08:10 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 16:08:10 +0000 Subject: HW: Appearance at Open Air Festival cancelled Message-ID: On fre 15 maj 1998 15.51 +0100 "M Holmes" wrote: > Given some of the feats of organisation displayed by this list, it > wouldn't surprise me if we could pull this off. Maybe we could invite > the ex-members we can get in touch with also? Can we have a big jam session? :) We'll see how many of those riffs Brock remembers ;) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From sdavmor at MCIONE.COM Fri May 15 11:09:15 1998 From: sdavmor at MCIONE.COM (S. Davies-Morris) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 08:09:15 -0700 Subject: HW: Appearance at Open Air Festival cancelled Message-ID: Invite the teletubbies as well... ...they could be like *Pan's People* (dance troop) Regards Steven Davies-Morris Please note my new email address sdavmor at mcione.com =================================================== -----Original Message----- From: M Holmes To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Friday, May 15, 1998 8:01 AM Subject: Re: HW: Appearance at Open Air Festival cancelled >Bernhard Pospiech writes: > >> Hey, great idea! What about collecting from every member of this list 50 US >> $ and ask HW to play a very privete gig only for the listmembers. The venue >> should be somewhere in London. >> >> And it would be a great occasion to have a meeting with all (or most) >> list-members > >Given some of the feats of organisation displayed by this list, it >wouldn't surprise me if we could pull this off. Maybe we could invite >the ex-members we can get in touch with also? > >> Bernhard > >FoFP From richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK Fri May 15 11:18:25 1998 From: richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK (Cutting, Richard) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 16:18:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Appearance at Open Air Festival cancelled === Message-ID: Cool idea ! Can we work on this ? I know other bands who'd probably be interested in playing as well. > ---------- > From: M Holmes[SMTP:fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: 15 May 1998 16:05 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: HW: Appearance at Open Air Festival cancelled === > > Cutting, Richard writes: > > > Thats a really good idea ! I'd be up for it. Plus we could have a > Q + > > A session with Hawkwind as well. > > My SO and a bunch of her friends once hired a castle for a weekend. > Apparently for some of them, it's not as expensive as you'd imagine. > It'd make an ideal Hawkwind gig and accomodation problems would be > solved. It'd be kinda neat to see the Black Sword and Warrior stuff > played from the battlements of a real castle. Maybe finding one > accessible from London would be worth investigating. Jill, do you know > anything that would help here? > > Hell, if the 1999 Party is really going to happen, then someone who > *can* organise it probably should. I figure the folks on this list > have > a better record that Hawkwind management. > > Mike "If we book the castle They will come..." Holmes > *********************************************************************** LEGAL DISCLAIMER *********************************************************************** The contents of this email and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Synopsys hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this email and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the Technology Department at Synopsys Ltd. on +44 171 250 1990. *********************************************************************** From mumford at ONLINE.NO Fri May 15 11:24:13 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 17:24:13 +0200 Subject: HW: Appearance at Open Air Festival cancelled === Message-ID: Hell, this is actually evolving into an interesting idea fast! But, is it the sad future of geezer rock 'n roll bands, that hardcore cult following/fans will have to keep the bands going with a sort of "charity organization" of events and releases?? Chr. > > My SO and a bunch of her friends once hired a castle for a weekend. > Apparently for some of them, it's not as expensive as you'd imagine. > It'd make an ideal Hawkwind gig and accomodation problems would be > solved. It'd be kinda neat to see the Black Sword and Warrior stuff > played from the battlements of a real castle. Maybe finding one > accessible from London would be worth investigating. Jill, do you know > anything that would help here? > > Hell, if the 1999 Party is really going to happen, then someone who > *can* organise it probably should. I figure the folks on this list have > a better record that Hawkwind management. "Where's the medicine!?" - H. Leroy Newton "MEATBALL!" - Robert Crumb > > Mike "If we book the castle They will come..." Holmes From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri May 15 11:28:23 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 16:28:23 +0100 Subject: OFF: Tape swap Message-ID: OK, I figure if you're at all motivated to do this you've probably done your tape by now! So, I'll give laggards another few days, and then get down to the business of putting names in virtual hats. When you've done your tape, send me your name and postal address (private e-mail please!). (Some folks already sent them, but can you all confirm you've done your tape!) Then on *Wednesday 20th* I'll do the randomizing, and e-mail all participants with an address to send their tape to. Then over the course of the next few days we can find out just what terrible taste in music we all have... I'm not proposing to split Europe/North America into separate hats at this point, because I think it'll be more interesting to mix stuff across the pond, and I don't think it's much more expensive to mail it anyway - so this is a "speak now or forvever hold your peace" if you really really don't want to mail stuff long distance. (No, I didn't put any Dwight Yoakam on my tape! :) - Andy ObCD: The New Christs - _Divine Rites_ mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Fri May 15 12:50:37 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 16:50:37 +0000 Subject: HW: Appearance at Open Air Festival cancelled ===++++ In-Reply-To: <199805151529.RAA22524@online.no> Message-ID: I could probably get KREL to come and play too. Maybe also we could put on a side show of all those wonderfull gigs that I have officially videoed, which have never been released (Business Trip especially!) Who knows? Guy T. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri May 15 11:59:30 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:59:30 -0400 Subject: HW: Appearance at Open Air Festival cancelled Message-ID: Hi all... On the subject of the crazy idea of a list-only show... Carl said... >Can we have a big jam session? :) We'll see how many of those riffs >Brock remembers ;) Aren't they all the same?? :) And then, SDM said... >Invite the teletubbies as well... >...they could be like *Pan's People* (dance troop) Well, hell, why not rent out the Tubbytronic Superdome instead of the castle, and then HW could play the Tubby set I imagined weeks ago. :) Bricky Brocky sing...'Toast & Buttery of the Tubby anatomy....' And originally, Bernhard Pospiech wrote: >>> Hey, great idea! What about collecting from every member of this list 50 >>> US$ and ask HW to play a very privete gig only for the listmembers. The >>> venue should be somewhere in London. Collect money in US$ for a gig in London?? Why not pay them in euros instead? Keith H. (FAA) P.S. For those who haven't been by the HW Mission Control page lately, there's a relatively recent 'synopsis of 1997' penned by Jerry Richards there. From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri May 15 12:11:19 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 17:11:19 +0100 Subject: HW: Appearance at Open Air Festival cancelled === In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Fri, 15 May 1998 16:05:07 +0100 Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > played from the battlements of a real castle. Maybe finding one > accessible from London would be worth investigating. Jill, do you know > anything that would help here? off the top of my head..... There's a tourist accommodation set up that rents out Historic Buildings and Follys for people to stay in over the weekend for about the same rate as it would cost to spend a holiday in self-catering accommodation. I could check through the Tourist Board to see if they know of anything nearby London. Where did Lucy's friends get their info from? Alternatively English Heritage could probably help. Noise licences and the local council might be one problem. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM Fri May 15 12:11:06 1998 From: stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 12:11:06 -0400 Subject: HW: Videos Message-ID: Guy, going a bit off the original topic here. I knew there was someone around ehre that had done a bunch of HW videoing... I'm curious if you've got any tips for videoing a band together with light show. The obviuos problem I'm aware of is that a lot of light show elements (projectors etc.)only start to show up/stand out in low light.Fine for the human eye, but Lower light than most video cameras would like. I'm just getting into doing light shows, and would like to video them, so got any good tips ? Cheers, Steve L. > > I could probably get KREL to come and play too. > > Maybe also we could put on a side show of all those > wonderfull gigs that I have officially videoed, > which have never been released (Business Trip especially!) > > Who knows? > > > > Guy T. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri May 15 12:23:48 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 17:23:48 +0100 Subject: HW: Appearance at Open Air Festival cancelled === In-Reply-To: J Strobridge's message of Fri, 15 May 1998 17:11:19 +0100 Message-ID: J Strobridge writes: > M Holmes writes: > > > played from the battlements of a real castle. Maybe finding one > > accessible from London would be worth investigating. Jill, do you know > > anything that would help here? > > off the top of my head..... > > There's a tourist accommodation set up that rents out Historic Buildings > and Follys for people to stay in over the weekend for about the same > rate as it would cost to spend a holiday in self-catering accommodation. > I could check through the Tourist Board to see if they know of anything > nearby London. Where did Lucy's friends get their info from? > > Alternatively English Heritage could probably help. > > Noise licences and the local council might be one problem. There is that, but castles are often remote from their neighbours so we might find it easier to get around that problem. > jill FoFP From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri May 15 12:24:51 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 12:24:51 -0400 Subject: HW: singles shopping Message-ID: Hi Folks... If any of you out there looking for HW LPs/45s, here's a list of some things that are advertised in the latest Goldmine issue. Ashley Johnson 4231 E. 97th St. Tulsa, OK 74137 (918) 298-6288 (918) 298-6188 (FAX) Hawklords-25 Yrs. On (Charisma) CB332 12"UK on grey vinyl (M/M) $12 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Sound West Records P.O. Box 33785 San Diego, CA 92163 (619) 294-7381 45 AUCTION (closes June 12) Respond w/ bids by mail, mention you are responding to ad #236 Items... Suggested Minimum Bid (you may bid lower) HW: Back on the Streets/Isis (Charisma CB-299 UK) (EX/EX) $20 HW: Lord of Light/Born to Go (UA 35-492 GR) (EX/EX) $20 HW: Motorhead/Valium 10 (Flicknife FLS-205 UK) (VG+/EX) $14 HW: Silver Machine/7 x 7 (UA 35-381 GR) (EX/EX) $20 HW: Silver Machine/Psych. Warlords (RCA-267 UK) (EX/EX) $20 HW: Urban Guerilla/Brain. Poll. (UA 35-556 GR) (VG+/EX) $20 RC: LotHornets/Greenfly&Rose (Flicknife FLS-204 UK) (EX/EX) $20 MM: Dodgem Dude/Starcruiser (Flicknife FLICK-200 UK) (EX/EX)$20 (It's very small print, so there might be a slight error here with the numbers.) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^ Japanese 7"s set sale S S K 43-14-101 Hikari-cho 1 Kokubunji-shi Tokyo 185-0034 Japan (Strong EX+~M, unless stated. Reserve first. Please write. P+P extra.) Hawkwind - Silver Machine/7 x 7 (Liberty LLP 10133 1972) $74 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^ That's all...Keith H. (FAA) From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri May 15 12:44:57 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 12:44:57 -0400 Subject: OFF: was MM, now SunDial In-Reply-To: <199805150143.VAA06250@mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 May 1998, Keith Henderson wrote: > OK, I did some searching, and have come up with some info. The one I was > talking about (which I assume you were too, although I couldn't find a track > list to confirm the presence of 'Circle Sky') was 'All Aboard the Mind > Train' by the group 'Modern Art.' It was recorded in 1989, shortly before > the formation of SunDial proper, but was not released on CD until 1994, > after Gary Ramon had the tapes cleaned up. > > I found it on several of the major online stores, usu. listed as 'backorder' > and for some exhorbitant price, like $32-$40. But then, I discovered that > both Cranium (in NZ) and Delerium (in the UK) both list it for reasonable > prices (US$18 and UKP12, respectively). Those places should be the best > sources for it, and I think I may order one myself now, as it may disappear > soon. Strangely, RPM doesn't list it. :( (The copy I saw was at Mod Lang > in Berkeley, CA, and I ain't going back out there just for this CD!) I have this CD. I bought it mail-order, along with the GaAs reissues of _Other Way Out_ and _Return Journey_ for about $10 apiece. The mail-order source had the same address in Indianapolis as GaAs records. I can try and chase down their catalogue tonight, if anyone is interested. Alternatively, you can do a search of the BOC-L online archives; I believe Captain Cloud originally posted the details. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Free, _Free At Last_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Fri May 15 12:40:33 1998 From: henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 18:40:33 +0200 Subject: SV: Re: HW: Appearance at Open Air Festival cancelled Message-ID: Greetings listmembers! Great idea Bernhard, certainly something worth considering. Take care Henrik ========================================================== Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik at sundsvall.mail.telia.com or hawkwind at hem.passagen.se Peace of mind records website: http://hem.passagen.se/hawkwind/ Fax +46 (0)70 6101310 / Phone +46 (0)70 6743729 or +46 (0)60 173716 >Hi > >At 14:58 15.05.98 +0100, you wrote: >>> This means now that all 4 HAWKWIND gigs in Belgium, Holland and Germany >>> are cancelled :-(( >>> >>> The reason is (you won't believe it): Money problems :-( >> >>Does anyone know how much they'd want to come and play my birthday >>party? > >Hey, great idea! What about collecting from every member of this list 50 US >$ and ask HW to play a very privete gig only for the listmembers. The venue >should be somewhere in London. > >And it would be a great occasion to have a meeting with all (or most) >list-members > >Bernhard > From henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Fri May 15 12:42:29 1998 From: henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 18:42:29 +0200 Subject: SV: HW: singles shopping Message-ID: Cheers! You can also check the website below for some HW lps/45s. All in excellent condition. Enjoy the weekend Henrik ========================================================== Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik at sundsvall.mail.telia.com or hawkwind at hem.passagen.se Peace of mind records website: http://hem.passagen.se/hawkwind/ Fax +46 (0)70 6101310 / Phone +46 (0)70 6743729 or +46 (0)60 173716 >Hi Folks... > >If any of you out there looking for HW LPs/45s, here's a list of some things >that are advertised in the latest Goldmine issue. > >Ashley Johnson >4231 E. 97th St. >Tulsa, OK 74137 >(918) 298-6288 >(918) 298-6188 (FAX) > >Hawklords-25 Yrs. On (Charisma) CB332 12"UK on grey vinyl (M/M) $12 > >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >Sound West Records >P.O. Box 33785 >San Diego, CA 92163 >(619) 294-7381 > >45 AUCTION (closes June 12) >Respond w/ bids by mail, mention you are responding to ad #236 > >Items... Suggested Minimum Bid (you may >bid lower) > >HW: Back on the Streets/Isis (Charisma CB-299 UK) (EX/EX) $20 >HW: Lord of Light/Born to Go (UA 35-492 GR) (EX/EX) $20 >HW: Motorhead/Valium 10 (Flicknife FLS-205 UK) (VG+/EX) $14 >HW: Silver Machine/7 x 7 (UA 35-381 GR) (EX/EX) $20 >HW: Silver Machine/Psych. Warlords (RCA-267 UK) (EX/EX) $20 >HW: Urban Guerilla/Brain. Poll. (UA 35-556 GR) (VG+/EX) $20 >RC: LotHornets/Greenfly&Rose (Flicknife FLS-204 UK) (EX/EX) $20 >MM: Dodgem Dude/Starcruiser (Flicknife FLICK-200 UK) (EX/EX)$20 > >(It's very small print, so there might be a slight error here with the numbers.) > >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >^^^^^ > >Japanese 7"s set sale >S S K >43-14-101 Hikari-cho 1 >Kokubunji-shi >Tokyo 185-0034 Japan > >(Strong EX+~M, unless stated. Reserve first. Please write. P+P extra.) > >Hawkwind - Silver Machine/7 x 7 (Liberty LLP 10133 1972) $74 > >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >^^^^^ > >That's all...Keith H. (FAA) > From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri May 15 21:04:25 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 18:04:25 -0700 Subject: OFF: was MM, now SunDial Message-ID: Perhaps I should have clarified as 'currently on catalogue and readily available'. Zeit SPRAWL wrote: > > Didn't see these in the following list... > Bad Drug Live > Return Journey. > > rj > > Keith Henderson wrote: > > > > Zeit says... > > > > >Well I asked but no-one knows anything about a new Sundial release. > > >All that was listed were the usual > > >1990 Other Way Out Continuum > > >1992 Fazer DEI > > >1993 Reflecter Ufo > > >1993 Libertine Beggars Banquet > > >1995 Acid Yantra " > > > > >> Captain Cloud > > >> ObQuestion: anyone know where to purchase the recent Sundial release? > > > > Hmmmm...I haven't heard anything about a new release, but I've seen a > > pre-Sundial Gary Ramon CD recently (I can't remember the band's name). Is > > this a recent reissue or has this one been around awhile? And how does it > > compare to RJ and OWO...Carl? > > > > Keith H. (FAA) -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Rocking to IRON BUTTERFLY - Evolution: The Best Of Rolling to GRAND FUNK RAILROAD - Grand Funk Retro, moi? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ E-zine: http://zeitgeist-scot.com/ Personal e-mail: zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com Shortcut to Record Hunter http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/hunter.html RH e-mail: record.hunter at dial.pipex.com From sdavmor at MCIONE.COM Fri May 15 13:24:53 1998 From: sdavmor at MCIONE.COM (S. Davies-Morris) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 10:24:53 -0700 Subject: HW: Appearance at Open Air Festival cancelled Message-ID: Re: teletubbies... The baby in the sun at the end of the show is clearly off in *The Golden Void* Regards SDM sdavmor at mcione.com =================================================== -----Original Message----- From: Keith Henderson To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Friday, May 15, 1998 9:07 AM Subject: Re: HW: Appearance at Open Air Festival cancelled >Hi all... > >On the subject of the crazy idea of a list-only show... > >Carl said... > >>Can we have a big jam session? :) We'll see how many of those riffs >>Brock remembers ;) > >Aren't they all the same?? :) > >And then, SDM said... > >>Invite the teletubbies as well... >>...they could be like *Pan's People* (dance troop) > >Well, hell, why not rent out the Tubbytronic Superdome instead of the >castle, and then HW could play the Tubby set I imagined weeks ago. :) > >Bricky Brocky sing...'Toast & Buttery of the Tubby anatomy....' > >And originally, Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > >>>> Hey, great idea! What about collecting from every member of this list 50 >>>> US$ and ask HW to play a very privete gig only for the listmembers. The >>>> venue should be somewhere in London. > >Collect money in US$ for a gig in London?? Why not pay them in euros instead? > >Keith H. (FAA) > >P.S. For those who haven't been by the HW Mission Control page lately, >there's a relatively recent 'synopsis of 1997' penned by Jerry Richards there. From mordru at GEKKO.NET Fri May 15 13:30:00 1998 From: mordru at GEKKO.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:30:00 -0400 Subject: OFF: Tape swap Message-ID: >OK, I figure if you're at all motivated to do this you've probably done your >tape by now! > >So, I'll give laggards another few days, and then get down to the business >of putting names in virtual hats. > >When you've done your tape, send me your name and postal address (private >e-mail please!). (Some folks already sent them, but can you all confirm >you've done your tape!) Andrew Apold 4580 Amherst Circle #82 West Palm Beach, FL 33417 +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at gekko.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Fri May 15 13:31:07 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 19:31:07 +0200 Subject: HW: Private HAWKWIND gig Message-ID: OK folks Mike and me have started this thread But now I'd like to know who really would pay a handfull bucks to see our band playing live in mybe an old English castle. And, this is the main question: Who would do the organization? Lets start: I would pay 50$ or maybe 30 Pounds, and yes, I would do as much as possible to get to this gig and make it happen. WHO ELSE ????? Bernhard From sdavmor at MCIONE.COM Fri May 15 13:43:59 1998 From: sdavmor at MCIONE.COM (S. Davies-Morris) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 10:43:59 -0700 Subject: Private HAWKWIND gig Message-ID: If I was in the UK at the time, yes...but since I'm in SoCal, no. Regards SDM sdavmor at mcione.com =================================================== -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Pospiech To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Friday, May 15, 1998 10:33 AM Subject: HW: Private HAWKWIND gig >OK folks > >Mike and me have started this thread > >But now I'd like to know who really would pay a handfull bucks to see our >band playing live in mybe an old English castle. > >And, this is the main question: Who would do the organization? > >Lets start: I would pay 50$ or maybe 30 Pounds, and yes, I would do as much >as possible to get to this gig and make it happen. > >WHO ELSE ????? > > > > > >Bernhard From richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK Fri May 15 13:44:34 1998 From: richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK (Cutting, Richard) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 18:44:34 +0100 Subject: Private HAWKWIND gig === Message-ID: You can count me in. I'm happy to help with organisation and stuff as well. > ---------- > From: Bernhard > Pospiech[SMTP:bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: 15 May 1998 18:31 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: HW: Private HAWKWIND gig > > OK folks > > Mike and me have started this thread > > But now I'd like to know who really would pay a handfull bucks to see > our > band playing live in mybe an old English castle. > > And, this is the main question: Who would do the organization? > > Lets start: I would pay 50$ or maybe 30 Pounds, and yes, I would do as > much > as possible to get to this gig and make it happen. > > WHO ELSE ????? > > > > > > Bernhard > *********************************************************************** LEGAL DISCLAIMER *********************************************************************** The contents of this email and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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Apold (mordru at gekko.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From mumford at ONLINE.NO Fri May 15 13:51:02 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 19:51:02 +0200 Subject: Private HAWKWIND gig === Message-ID: Well, if I'm in the area (just being a skip & a jump away in Norway really :) count me in. I'd be glad to do anything involving any graphics/theatrical side of things especially (but hey whatever, tho, "I'm not worthy!" etc. and all) cheers, Christian > > > > OK folks > > > > Mike and me have started this thread > > > > But now I'd like to know who really would pay a handfull bucks to see > > our > > band playing live in mybe an old English castle. > > > > And, this is the main question: Who would do the organization? > > > > Lets start: I would pay 50$ or maybe 30 Pounds, and yes, I would do as > > much > > as possible to get to this gig and make it happen. > > > > WHO ELSE ????? > > > > > > > > > > > > Bernhard > > "Where's the medicine!?" - H. Leroy Newton "MEATBALL!" - Robert Crumb From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Fri May 15 14:13:21 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:13:21 -0700 Subject: Private HAWKWIND gig In-Reply-To: <199805151730.TAA13774@mail.castrop-rauxel.netsurf.de> Message-ID: > OK folks > > Mike and me have started this thread > > But now I'd like to know who really would pay a handfull bucks to see our > band playing live in mybe an old English castle. > > And, this is the main question: Who would do the organization? > > Lets start: I would pay 50$ or maybe 30 Pounds, and yes, I would > do as much > as possible to get to this gig and make it happen. > > WHO ELSE ????? > > > > > > Bernhard > Well, I most likely wouldn't be able to attend, but I sure would be willing to toss in $50. Kevin Sommers ? Primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri May 15 14:20:05 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 19:20:05 +0100 Subject: HW: Private HAWKWIND gig In-Reply-To: <199805151730.TAA13774@mail.castrop-rauxel.netsurf.de> Message-ID: Bernhard wrote: >OK folks > >Mike and me have started this thread > >But now I'd like to know who really would pay a handfull bucks to see our >band playing live in mybe an old English castle. > >And, this is the main question: Who would do the organization? > >Lets start: I would pay 50$ or maybe 30 Pounds, and yes, I would do as much >as possible to get to this gig and make it happen. > >WHO ELSE ????? > I'd be game (subject to the usual imponderables, and for something like this, I guess 30 spondulicks sounds pretty good! ChrisW Obit:Francis Albert Sinatra "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri May 15 14:28:19 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 19:28:19 +0100 Subject: HW: Appearance at Open Air Festival cancelled === In-Reply-To: <199805151505.QAA26310@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 16:05 15/05/98 +0100, you wrote: >Cutting, Richard writes: > >> Thats a really good idea ! I'd be up for it. Plus we could have a Q + >> A session with Hawkwind as well. > >My SO and a bunch of her friends once hired a castle for a weekend. >Apparently for some of them, it's not as expensive as you'd imagine. >It'd make an ideal Hawkwind gig and accomodation problems would be >solved. It'd be kinda neat to see the Black Sword and Warrior stuff >played from the battlements of a real castle. Maybe finding one >accessible from London would be worth investigating. Jill, do you know >anything that would help here? > >Hell, if the 1999 Party is really going to happen, then someone who >*can* organise it probably should. I figure the folks on this list have >a better record that Hawkwind management. > >Mike "If we book the castle They will come..." Holmes > > The Landmark Trust rent out unusual buildings like castles, follies, lighthouses &c. ChrisW "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From mumford at ONLINE.NO Fri May 15 14:27:33 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 20:27:33 +0200 Subject: RIP Message-ID: > ChrisW > Obit:Francis Albert Sinatra RIP ol blue eyes. Chr. "Where's the medicine!?" - H. Leroy Newton "MEATBALL!" - Robert Crumb From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri May 15 15:32:00 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 15:32:00 -0400 Subject: HW: Private HAWKWIND gig Message-ID: Kevin said... >> Lets start: I would pay 50$ or maybe 30 Pounds, and yes, I would >> do as much as possible to get to this gig and make it happen. >> >> WHO ELSE ????? > >Well, I most likely wouldn't be able to attend, but I sure would be willing >to toss in $50. I'm pretty much w/ Kevin. I would certainly do my best to find a way of getting to the UK for such an event. But evenso, I'd put in $50 just for this event to *happen*, as long as someone was prepared to record the event and distribute tapes [or perhaps videos (NTSC please)] to those who contributed but could not attend in person. To reach a larger segment of boc-l, I think you'd need to have this in place, so people get something for their contributions. Great idea, BTW. Keith H. (FAA) From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri May 15 23:40:08 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 20:40:08 -0700 Subject: HW: Private HAWKWIND gig Message-ID: Hell, yeah. Sounds like the good old days. I'd pay and I'd help. Zeit Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > > OK folks > > Mike and me have started this thread > > But now I'd like to know who really would pay a handfull bucks to see our > band playing live in mybe an old English castle. > > And, this is the main question: Who would do the organization? > > Lets start: I would pay 50$ or maybe 30 Pounds, and yes, I would do as much > as possible to get to this gig and make it happen. > > WHO ELSE ????? > > Bernhard -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Rocking to IRON BUTTERFLY - Evolution: The Best Of Rolling to GRAND FUNK RAILROAD - Grand Funk Retro, moi? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ E-zine: http://zeitgeist-scot.com/ Personal e-mail: zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com Shortcut to Record Hunter http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/hunter.html RH e-mail: record.hunter at dial.pipex.com From henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Fri May 15 15:52:40 1998 From: henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 21:52:40 +0200 Subject: SV: HW: Private HAWKWIND gig Message-ID: Count me in Bernhard! Henrik ========================================================== Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik at sundsvall.mail.telia.com or hawkwind at hem.passagen.se Peace of mind records website: http://hem.passagen.se/hawkwind/ Fax +46 (0)70 6101310 / Phone +46 (0)70 6743729 or +46 (0)60 173716 -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr?n: Bernhard Pospiech Till: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Datum: den 15 maj 1998 19:32 ?mne: HW: Private HAWKWIND gig >OK folks > >Mike and me have started this thread > >But now I'd like to know who really would pay a handfull bucks to see our >band playing live in mybe an old English castle. > >And, this is the main question: Who would do the organization? > >Lets start: I would pay 50$ or maybe 30 Pounds, and yes, I would do as much >as possible to get to this gig and make it happen. > >WHO ELSE ????? > > > > > >Bernhard > From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Fri May 15 16:04:46 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (antisol _8) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:04:46 PDT Subject: HW: Private HAWKWIND gig Message-ID: >And, this is the main question: Who would do the organization? > >Lets start: I would pay 50$ or maybe 30 Pounds, and yes, I would do as much >as possible to get to this gig and make it happen. > >WHO ELSE ????? > > > > > >Bernhard I'm def. in on this, unless I can't scrape together $ for airline tickets. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri May 15 16:33:18 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:33:18 -0700 Subject: OFF: B-ball Message-ID: >What if Celtics Mgmt. told Bird/Mchale they were dumpng KC after he'd won his first championship? >Well, the DID dump him after they won a 2nd with him... Yeah but not he at the end of the 2nd championship season, that was a couple years later when they let him go. >Don't think Larry would have held his tongue very long. >Don't know. Maybe. I didn't hear as much about the "off-the-court" stuff back then as I do now. True in this time period two reasons, Celtics were most stable organization in all of Sports and these guys didn't get off seeing their faces on the 6:00 news for something bad. >My impression of Bird is that he always went out and did his job no matter what. Some of the stuff he did with his back in the condition it was in boggles my mind. But, I don't want to try and draw comparisions between Larry and Mike in terms of character. But, if Larry Bird threatened to retire simply because "his coach" wasn't kept, I'd expect that people wouldn't look too highly on that. Perhaps not in the sense of the Celtics. A Celtic legend is untouchable, at least thats the impression outside of Beantown, and who is more legendary in Celtic folklore than Red? If Red said coach has to go 'cause I want a new direction, then players and fans alike go "O.K." Bulls situation is much different. Owner and GM are despised around the league. They were trying to break up the Bulls because Mike and Phil were getting credit for the rings. >I can't imagine Jordan playing for anyone other than the Bulls. >Well, I never said he should. But people go through coaching changes all the time. You mean to tell me that arguably the greatest player in the NBA can't adjust to a new coach? Hell, his offensive strategy is probably just gonna be "give the ball to Mike" anyway... Nope this was not Mike's motivation. Mike was sticking up for his coach. Best in the game currently annd when all this started about 4 years ago the guy was woefully underpaid. Krause the general manager wanted to replace him with someone he could control. Phil is an ex-player and knows the players make the game. Now if you have great players, winning championships for a coach they respect wouldn't you be a bit upset if someone tried to tear this down becuase of jealousy. >Until you beat Mike, he's going to stay. Bird did the same >No, Bird got out because his back was shot. Yes and no. Larry had been playing in pain for quite sometime. Plus he could see with the tragic death of Len Bias it would be years before the Celtics would reach that level again. He didn't have time to wait. >it was the intelligence of the Boston front office thats the difference here. They understand the great players, championship guys. Money mongers don't. >Well, it's hard to debate the financial ins and outs of all this. However, the Celtics have had a number of setbacks since their last championship, some of which could be argued that they held onto some of the veterans too long (the deaths of Len Bias and Reggie Lewis didn't help either). But, the Celtics have been a mediocre team for several years now. The Bias incident was extremely tragic. With his youth, ability and charm added to the core veteran team they would have gotten at least two more rings. The single biggest setback in this franchises history. I watched Lenny grow up at UMd. From a skinny freshman to a muscular athlete without peer. This guy would have terrorized the NBA for a dozen years. Reggie was good but no superstar. Damn now I'm sad remembering Len Bias. Hold it, happy thought, Wizards have shipped Chris Webber to Sacramento for Mitch (Rock) Richmond. Where is my Champagne glass, YIPPPEEEEE! Trade ya Calbert Cheaney and Chris Whittney for 'Employee #8" hehehehehehehehehe. Ghost From Hawklord57 at AOL.COM Fri May 15 17:05:27 1998 From: Hawklord57 at AOL.COM (Hawklord57) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 17:05:27 EDT Subject: OFF: Tape swap Message-ID: Hi, in reference to this tape swap, I had my mail from the list turned off for quite awhile. This sounds like something of interest to me, so if someone can fill me in, I think I would like to participate. Email me privately, so as toi not fill the list with old news you all know about already. Thanks Duane P.S. In reference to the Moorcock paperback, I got the impression some of you think I want alot for it. Just to let anyone interested know, I am willing to part with it for a couple tapes of HW gigs. About the equivilant of what I paid for it. 2 c-90's and it's yours folks. OBCD: Cherry Poppin' Daddies : Zoot Suit Riot From des at SUPERLINK.NET Fri May 15 19:07:56 1998 From: des at SUPERLINK.NET (E F) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 19:07:56 -0400 Subject: BOC: Harvest Moon charts Message-ID: Just got this e-mail from my friend at the radio station. Thought I'd share it with y'all. --Eric axl nemetz wrote: > > Frank Sinatra dead (at 82, of heart attack, I think). > > Just got full CD of "Gozilla" sdtk, and as predicted, no BOC. > > Signs of life for BOC: "Harvest Moon" has actually charted! At #40, on the > Heritage Rock chart (one of the many niche rock charts). They even merited > an accompanying blurb: "Nearly a decade since Blue Oyster Cult's last rock > radio chart appearance - "Astronomy", which peaked at #12 in September 1988 > - the group hits the hertiage chart with a no. 40 debut for 'Harvest Moon.' " > > WOW! > > Bring it home, boys!! > > Later!! -- "Thousands of years ago, cats were worshipped as gods. Cats have never forgotten this." - Anonymous From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri May 15 19:45:53 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 00:45:53 +0100 Subject: OFF: Movies In-Reply-To: <000001bd7f7c$7c867220$5e3f63c3@default> Message-ID: At 22:08 14/05/98 +0100, you wrote: >> 'Brazil' is the only (fictional) movie I've ever seen that constitutes a >> truly worthwhile experience, that is, above and beyond simple diversionary >> entertainment. > >Now if you were John Travolta, that would make a good blurb :) > >> And I also saw >> Blade Runner >> for the first time, and I don't understand what's the big deal about >> it...pretty ordinary stuff IMHO - no better than Total Recall. > >If you'd seen it in 1982, it wouldn't have looked like every other sci-fi >movie you've ever seen... > > >- Andy I'll second that...I suspect that for some people the car chase in 'Bullitt' (deliciously spoofed in a late 'Dirty Harry' movie with a radio controlled model car carrying a bomb) doesn't seem so extraordinary now, but at the time it was amazing. Mind you, there are plenty of much older movies that can still astound on first viewing, like 'Citizen Kane'. I first saw 'Altered States' (Paddy Chayefsky btw) as half of a hilarious double bill with 'Blue Sunshine' - former users of the eponymous variety of acid go bald & psycho!!!! ChrisW (hmmm, my hair's going rapidly *gibber*) "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri May 15 19:31:47 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 00:31:47 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: Scientology In-Reply-To: <199805141757.SAA16292@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: jill wrote: > >obUnrelatedInterviewThought: Ruby Wax meets Hunter Thompson > Eek! what a delicious idea! ChrisW ObCD: Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds/Live At The Royal Albert Hall "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM Fri May 15 20:53:15 1998 From: hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM (Randy) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 19:53:15 -0500 Subject: HW: Private HAWKWIND gig In-Reply-To: <199805151730.TAA13774@mail.castrop-rauxel.netsurf.de> Message-ID: Bernhard wrote: >OK folks > >Mike and me have started this thread > >But now I'd like to know who really would pay a handfull bucks to see our >band playing live in mybe an old English castle. well even though i probably could not afford to fly over, i would still toss in $50. dollars. Especially if tapes or videos were made for the people who gave money but could not come. Randy From walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET Fri May 15 22:15:54 1998 From: walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET (Walrus) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 22:15:54 -0400 Subject: HW: Space Rockers Message-ID: hey hey! I just got "Space Box: 1970 & Beyond (Space, Krautrock & Acid Trips)" on Cleopatra.. it looks pretty good, but I haven't listened to all 3 discs yet.. anyway, the tracks by HW and friends on it are: Hawkwind Valium 10 (12" version) Pressurehed Slo Blo Amon Duul II Wolf City Nik Turner 10 Seconds of Forever Hawklords Time of... Helios Creed Leaving the Body Harvey Bainbridge The Changing Gong Gonwash Indelible Darxtar This Alien Nation (Space Mix) Farflung Vision of Infinity (7" version) Michael Moorcock's Deep Fix Time Center Spiral Realms Cysyrgy Steve Pergrine Took Scorpios (Deep Space Version) Brainstorm Number 6 Anubian Lights 12-24-2011 plus about 20 others.. most of these I haven't heard only heard of.. I'll keep you posted.. wal ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______ " The gentle madness Walrus _______\_ has touched my hand /__\O/__/= Now I'm just a .. spacing out _|\ .^. Cosmic Man ... " by spacing in .. | \_/ http://www.neuron.net/~walrus From capcloud at PALMNET.NET Sat May 16 00:05:40 1998 From: capcloud at PALMNET.NET (Captain Cloud) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 00:05:40 -0400 Subject: OFF: was MM, now SunDial Message-ID: >I have this CD. I bought it mail-order, along with the GaAs reissues of >_Other Way Out_ and _Return Journey_ for about $10 apiece. The >mail-order source had the same address in Indianapolis as GaAs records. >I can try and chase down their catalogue tonight, if anyone is >interested. Alternatively, you can do a search of the BOC-L online >archives; I believe Captain Cloud originally posted the details. > >Cheers, > >Paul. The fellow in the US who is responsible for re-issuing these two CDs is named Jade Hubertz. I believe I paid $10 each for both of them. Contact the source directly, rather than pay outrageous markups. Jade IS Galium Arsenide (GaAs). The last contact info I had was: Jade Hubertz 111 N.Sheridan Ave. Indianapolis, IN 46219-6123 (317) 356 - 0685 (317) 356 - 8416 fax He has also been a regular advertiser in Goldmine. I have not been in touch with Jade in well over a year, but I've ordered from him more than once in the past. -- Captain Cloud (a.k.a. Chuck in Florida) capcloud at palmnet.net From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Sat May 16 00:55:01 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (antisol _8) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 21:55:01 PDT Subject: HW: Space Rockers Message-ID: >hey hey! > >I just got "Space Box: 1970 & Beyond (Space, Krautrock & Acid Trips)" on >Cleopatra.. it looks pretty good, but I haven't listened to all 3 discs >yet.. anyway, the tracks by HW and friends on it are: > >Hawkwind Valium 10 (12" version) >Pressurehed Slo Blo >Amon Duul II Wolf City >Nik Turner 10 Seconds of Forever >Hawklords Time of... >Helios Creed Leaving the Body >Harvey Bainbridge The Changing >Gong Gonwash Indelible >Darxtar This Alien Nation (Space Mix) >Farflung Vision of Infinity (7" version) >Michael Moorcock's > Deep Fix Time Center >Spiral Realms Cysyrgy >Steve Pergrine Took Scorpios (Deep Space Version) >Brainstorm Number 6 >Anubian Lights 12-24-2011 > >plus about 20 others.. most of these I haven't heard only heard of.. >I'll keep you posted.. > >wal oooo wheredya get it ??? My 17" color monitor just went up and blacked out for no reason, how about that? Until gateway replaces it i'm using one of the 286 monochromes I keep in my attic. This is suprisingly comfortable to use...makes me feel more in control of things...oh god I think im losing it. hmmmm. Harvard Sqr is good, but i'm busy all this week writing papers so I can graduate, but i'm prob free next fri or over the weekend. I'll bring the nitrus!!! :)) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Sat May 16 00:59:10 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (antisol _8) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 21:59:10 PDT Subject: HW: Space Rockers Message-ID: .'/,-Y" "~-. l.Y ^. /\ _\_ "Doh!" i ___/" "\ | /" "\ o ! l ] o !__./ \ _ _ \.___./ "~\ X \/ \ ___./ ( \ ___. _..--~~" ~`-. ` Z,-- / \ \__. ( ______) \ l /-----~~" / Y \ / | "x______.^ | \ j Y Didn't mean to send the last reply to the list! Sorry! :) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Sat May 16 03:02:59 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David Greenhalgh) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 08:02:59 +0100 Subject: HW: Private HAWKWIND gig Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > OK folks > > Mike and me have started this thread > > But now I'd like to know who really would pay a handfull bucks to see our > band playing live in mybe an old English castle. > I only joined this list a week ago and already it costs me money! I'll pay. > And, this is the main question: Who would do the organization? > I've done some small time promoting in the distant past, so I'll help if I can. > DaveG PS I've got a spare copy of Queens of Deleria (paperback sequel to Time of......) is anyone interested in swapping for a copy of Time of..? Paperback is fine. From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sat May 16 08:46:46 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 14:46:46 +0200 Subject: HW: Hawkwind fan looking for contact Message-ID: Hi folks A HAWKWIND fan from Belgium asked me to put his name and address onto the list He is a great HW fan and a very kind and friendly person. He has got lot of HAWKWIND stuff to swap (videos, tapes, posters and tickets). Drop him a line if you are interested. Here is his address: FILIP VANHUYSE VLAANDERENSTRAAT 37 9000 GENT BELGIUM Bernhard From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat May 16 10:05:45 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 14:05:45 +0000 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_HW:_Appearance_at_Open_Air_Festival_cancelled_=3D=3D=3D++++?= Message-ID: Someone go and ask Dave Wyndorf if he'd come along :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat May 16 10:07:24 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 14:07:24 +0000 Subject: HW: Private HAWKWIND gig Message-ID: On fre 15 maj 1998 19.31 +0200 "Bernhard Pospiech" wrote: > Lets start: I would pay 50$ or maybe 30 Pounds, and yes, I would do as much > as possible to get to this gig and make it happen. > > WHO ELSE ????? Ich auch. But do we know how much it costs to get HW to play? And do we know how we would get PA, lights, etc.? -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sat May 16 09:15:27 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 15:15:27 +0200 Subject: HW: Private HAWKWIND gig In-Reply-To: <2291641.3104316444@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi >Ich auch. But do we know how much it costs to get HW to play? >And do we know how we would get PA, lights, etc.? I do not know but I have got a video where HW played in a pub called BEEHIVE in BRIDPORT on 10.03.1989. They didn't have much lights and PA. I think that we can take the PA which belongs to the band and some coloured torches. We do not need to fill the MADISONS SQUARE GARDEN with sound. Someone who has got very good contact to the band should ask how much money they need to give small and private gigs for the real HARDCORE fans (in London of course to make things easy for the band) Bernhard From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat May 16 10:46:27 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 14:46:27 +0000 Subject: HW: Space Rockers Message-ID: On fre 15 maj 1998 21.55 +0000 "antisol _8" wrote: > Harvard Sqr is good, but i'm busy all this week writing papers so I can > graduate, but i'm prob free next fri or over the weekend. I'll bring the > nitrus!!! :)) Ah, the record shops of Harvard Square! Well do I remember my first Hawkwind CDs, _HotMG_ and _Palace Springs_, purchased one fine day in April or May of my junior year at In Your Ear. Seldom was my bank balance safe thereafter .... :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From mlooney at IONET.NET Sat May 16 10:53:14 1998 From: mlooney at IONET.NET (mlooney - IOnet) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 09:53:14 -0500 Subject: BOC: Harvest Moon charts Message-ID: E F wrote: > > Signs of life for BOC: "Harvest Moon" has actually charted! At #40, on the > > Heritage Rock chart (one of the many niche rock charts). They even merited > > an accompanying blurb: "Nearly a decade since Blue Oyster Cult's last rock > > radio chart appearance - "Astronomy", which peaked at #12 in September 1988 > > - the group hits the hertiage chart with a no. 40 debut for 'Harvest Moon.' " That would make what I heard in the last few days make sense then. KMOD, the local "Classic Rock, Plus the Best New Rock" station here in town played HM twice. In both cases the correctly ID the song, group and CD it was from (this is a bit weird for them, BTW, the get thing wrong all the time). ObRush note: In both cases that I heard HM was either just before or just after a Rush song... From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Sat May 16 11:49:28 1998 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 10:49:28 -0500 Subject: OFF: N2O Message-ID: >> Meanwhile... I've been heavily into N20 recently. The >> stuff is cheap, >> legal, non-addictive, and makes you feel f***ing >> incredible! There's >> gotta be some sort of terrible side effect i'm sure. Is >> anyone an ex-user, or does anyone have accurate >> information about it? Well, my fiancee knows a dentist who got into that stuff, and ended up 1) losing his job, 2) losing his wife, 3) losing his 5 children (to his wife), and 4) losing just about all respect from all of his friends and family. But I guess some people think it's worth it. Go figure. Damon From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat May 16 19:40:51 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 16:40:51 -0700 Subject: OFF: MONSTER MAGNET Message-ID: Not my usual reading material but there's a Dave Wyndorf interview in the latest issue of Metal Hammer (UK). Zeit ======================================================= One is currently shaking ones booty to; JULIAN COPE - 20 Mothers ERIC BURDON & THE ANIMALS - Inside Out ======================================================= E-zine: http://zeitgeist-scot.com/ Personal e-mail: zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com Shortcut to Record Hunter http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/hunter.html RH e-mail: record.hunter at dial.pipex.com ======================================================= From mumford at ONLINE.NO Sat May 16 11:50:43 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 17:50:43 +0200 Subject: OFF: N2O Message-ID: > > >> Meanwhile... I've been heavily into N20 recently. The > >> stuff is cheap, > >> legal, non-addictive, and makes you feel f***ing > >> incredible! There's > >> gotta be some sort of terrible side effect i'm sure. Is > >> anyone an ex-user, or does anyone have accurate > >> information about it? > > Well, my fiancee knows a dentist who got into that stuff, > and ended up 1) losing his job, 2) losing his wife, 3) > losing his 5 children (to his wife), and 4) losing just > about all respect from all of his friends and family. > > But I guess some people think it's worth it. Go figure. hey, each to his own eh? Anyway I think the poster asked about side effects of the actual drug, not whatever social stigma attached to drug use and the subsequent problems that may cause for some people. Anyway, if people could do right and proper drugs without getting hassled/fleeced, they wouldn't be wasting their time on crap drugs. Not that any of *that's* necesseraly on topic, but hey, this isn't the place for preaching either. > Damon Chr. "Where's the medicine!?" - H. Leroy Newton "MEATBALL!" - Robert Crumb From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Sat May 16 13:21:08 1998 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 12:21:08 -0500 Subject: OFF: N2O Message-ID: OK then... I did a kwik search and found the following: ---------- Of course, if you've ever had a cavity filled, you probably know nitrous oxide by one of its more benign nicknames--laughing gas. However, the effects of nitrous oxide can be severe, as well as deadly. Inhaling nitrous oxide can lead to a loss of motor control, nausea and headaches, as well as slurred speech and unconsciousness. Chronic abuse can cause vitamin B12 deficiency, which in turn can result in anemia and nerve degeneration. And it can also cause death by asphyxiation when inhaled through a face mask or bag, since it starves the body of oxygen, resulting in Sudden Sniffing Death. ---------- found at Damon From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Sat May 16 13:40:05 1998 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 12:40:05 -0500 Subject: OFF: N2O Message-ID: The original poster (antisol?) also mentioned that it is legal. Take a look at and see otherwise: ---------- It is also a class B misdemeanor to distribute nitrous oxide for the purpose of producing intoxication. Amyl nitrite and certain forms of nitrous oxide are "legend" drug under Indiana law. That means only licensed practitioners (such as physicians, dentists or pharmacists) may dispense them. Therefore, sale of a legend drug is illegal unless it is dispensed by a pharmacist upon a prescription or drug order. It is the crime of "maintaining a common nuisance" under Indiana law for any person knowingly to maintain or visit a place (such as a store, shop, warehouse, home or vehicle) used by that person or any other person for unlawful use or sale of any legend drug. ---------- This site only mentions the law in Indiana, but I can assure you that, at least in the USA, the law is common to most, if not all states. Anyway, not that law ever really stops anybody from this sort of thing, but I figure at least he should know what he's getting into (which is why he asked, and for that I can certainly grant some respect). Damon From mumford at ONLINE.NO Sat May 16 13:05:24 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 19:05:24 +0200 Subject: OFF: N2O Message-ID: > OK then... I did a kwik search and found the following: > > ---------- > Of course, if you've ever had a cavity filled, you probably > know nitrous oxide by one of its more benign > nicknames--laughing gas. However, the effects of nitrous oxide > can be severe, as well as deadly. Inhaling nitrous oxide can > lead to a loss of motor control, nausea and headaches, as well > as slurred speech and unconsciousness. Chronic abuse can cause > vitamin B12 deficiency, which in turn can result in anemia and > nerve degeneration. And it can also cause death by asphyxiation > when inhaled through a face mask or bag, since it starves the > body of oxygen, resulting in Sudden Sniffing Death. > ---------- > > found at > > > Damon Well, I just did a kwik search in my brain upon reading your post: 1) I said CRAP drugs as opposed to "right and proper drugs" - i.e. drugs that would cause less harm than alcohol if they were not controlled substances (preventing OD, poisoning from impurities etc. etc.) 2) Disney 3) the out-and-out drug culture that spawned Hawkwind, for better or worse. Chr. "Where's the medicine!?" - H. Leroy Newton "MEATBALL!" - Robert Crumb From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Sat May 16 16:15:40 1998 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 20:15:40 +0000 Subject: OFF: Gonzo Message-ID: http://www.fear-and-loathing.com/ check the shockwave "Take The Ride" Alasdair -- Page me online: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 Send me E-mail Express direct to my screen: 1573250 at pager.mirabilis.com alimac at netcomuk.co.uk (Alasdair Macdonald) From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Sat May 16 15:17:10 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (antisol _8) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 12:17:10 PDT Subject: OFF: N2O Message-ID: >Well, my fiancee knows a dentist who got into that stuff, >and ended up 1) losing his job, 2) losing his wife, 3) >losing his 5 children (to his wife), and 4) losing just >about all respect from all of his friends and family. > >But I guess some people think it's worth it. Go figure. THE AUTOMIND IS NOT AMUSED -----. .----- |____ | | ____| \| |/ . . | |\ /| | | \ / | | \ \____________/ / | \ / | \ / | \____________/ | | | \________/ | _ _ _ _ -- | | -- _ - - -_ _- -- _ _ - - ----- - ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From adawson at CLARA.NET Sat May 16 15:19:44 1998 From: adawson at CLARA.NET (Andrew Dawson) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 20:19:44 +0100 Subject: HW: Private HAWKWIND gig In-Reply-To: <199805151730.TAA13774@mail.castrop-rauxel.netsurf.de> Message-ID: At 19:31 15/05/98 +0200, you wrote: >OK folks > >Mike and me have started this thread > >But now I'd like to know who really would pay a handfull bucks to see our >band playing live in mybe an old English castle. > >And, this is the main question: Who would do the organization? > >Lets start: I would pay 50$ or maybe 30 Pounds, and yes, I would do as much >as possible to get to this gig and make it happen. > >WHO ELSE ????? > >Bernhard > Hi folks, Yes Yes Yes !. Count me in. Andy Andrew Dawson adawson at clara.net http://home.clara.net/adawson http://www.adawson.clara.net From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Sat May 16 15:24:39 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (antisol _8) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 12:24:39 PDT Subject: OFF: N2O Message-ID: >OK then... I did a kwik search and found the following: > >---------- >Of course, if you've ever had a cavity filled, you probably >know nitrous oxide by one of its more benign >nicknames--laughing gas. However, the effects of nitrous oxide >can be severe, as well as deadly. Inhaling nitrous oxide can >lead to a loss of motor control, nausea and headaches, as well >as slurred speech and unconsciousness. Chronic abuse can cause >vitamin B12 deficiency, which in turn can result in anemia and >nerve degeneration. And it can also cause death by asphyxiation >when inhaled through a face mask or bag, since it starves the >body of oxygen, resulting in Sudden Sniffing Death. >---------- > >found at > ahhh Disney has all the answers to my drug related inquiries! :)) Thanks, I think I can handle all those side effects. What I was worried about was mental deterioration caused by residual effects of impurities in manufactured gas canisters, loss of brain cells, etc. I haven't found any conclusive information on this and have temporarily suspended my using of the drug. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Sat May 16 15:34:50 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (antisol _8) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 12:34:50 PDT Subject: OFF: N2O Message-ID: >Take a look at > >and see otherwise: > >---------- >It is also a class B misdemeanor to distribute nitrous oxide >for the purpose of producing intoxication. > >Amyl nitrite and certain forms of nitrous oxide are "legend" >drug under Indiana law. That means only licensed >practitioners (such as physicians, dentists or pharmacists) >may dispense them. Therefore, sale of a legend drug is >illegal unless it is dispensed by a pharmacist upon a >prescription or drug order. > >It is the crime of "maintaining a common nuisance" under >Indiana law for any person knowingly to maintain or visit a >place (such as a store, shop, warehouse, home or vehicle) >used by that person or any other person for unlawful use or >sale of any legend drug. >---------- > >This site only mentions the law in Indiana, but I can assure >you that, at least in the USA, the law is common to most, if >not all states. > >Anyway, not that law ever really stops anybody from this >sort of thing, but I figure at least he should know what >he's getting into (which is why he asked, and for that I >can certainly grant some respect). Since I don't plan on selling it in Indiana that's certainly not a problem :) N2O isn't only used for general anesthesia. It's also produced to make instant whipped cream, as well as an oxidizer for flammable gas devices (such as butane in soldering torches). Therefore, it's available at cafe and restaurant supply shops, as well as Radio Shack (Radio Shack = Tandy) under the trade name 'Micronox'. That would be funny if whipped cream was illegal in Indiana. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Sat May 16 15:51:45 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (Automind !!) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 12:51:45 PDT Subject: OFF: N2O Message-ID: >>Of course, if you've ever had a cavity filled, you probably >>know nitrous oxide by one of its more benign >>nicknames--laughing gas. However, the effects of nitrous oxide >>can be severe, as well as deadly. >>Inhaling nitrous oxide can >>lead to a loss of motor control, nausea and headaches, as well >>as slurred speech and unconsciousness. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT :)) >>Chronic abuse can cause >>vitamin B12 deficiency, which in turn can result in anemia and >>nerve degeneration. Well, I'll have to go get some vitamin pills :) >>And it can also cause death by asphyxiation >>when inhaled through a face mask or bag, since it starves the >>body of oxygen, resulting in Sudden Sniffing Death. That's why you breathe while inhaling the gas :| If it were that dangerous your dentist wouldn't give it to you, and it wouldn't be in your hot chocolate (albeit, in very small amounts). Thanks for bothering to look up some information though. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From mumford at ONLINE.NO Sat May 16 17:01:52 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 23:01:52 +0200 Subject: OFF: N2O Message-ID: Bizarre... I sent this 5-6 hours ago... well, here it is again. Just like taking a piss-test at the White House - I'm not sure if its gonna slide but its worth a shot *ack!*... > OK then... I did a kwik search and found the following: > > ---------- > Of course, if you've ever had a cavity filled, you probably > know nitrous oxide by one of its more benign > nicknames--laughing gas. However, the effects of nitrous oxide > can be severe, as well as deadly. Inhaling nitrous oxide can > lead to a loss of motor control, nausea and headaches, as well > as slurred speech and unconsciousness. Chronic abuse can cause > vitamin B12 deficiency, which in turn can result in anemia and > nerve degeneration. And it can also cause death by asphyxiation > when inhaled through a face mask or bag, since it starves the > body of oxygen, resulting in Sudden Sniffing Death. > ---------- > > found at > > > Damon Well, I just did a kwik search in my brain upon reading your post: 1) I said CRAP drugs as opposed to "right and proper drugs" - i.e. drugs that would cause less harm than alcohol if they were not controlled substances (preventing OD, poisoning from impurities etc. etc.) 2) Disney 3) the out-and-out drug culture that spawned Hawkwind, for better or worse. Chr. "Where's the medicine!?" - H. Leroy Newton "MEATBALL!" - Robert Crumb From D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK Sat May 16 19:09:59 1998 From: D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK (Derrick C Chilton) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 23:09:59 +0000 Subject: HW: Private HAWKWIND gig Message-ID: Andrew Dawson wrote: > > At 19:31 15/05/98 +0200, you wrote: > >OK folks > > > >Mike and me have started this thread > > > >But now I'd like to know who really would pay a handfull bucks to see our > >band playing live in mybe an old English castle. > > > >And, this is the main question: Who would do the organization? > > > >Lets start: I would pay 50$ or maybe 30 Pounds, and yes, I would do as much > >as possible to get to this gig and make it happen. > > > >WHO ELSE ????? > > Yep, any self respecting HW fan WOULD pay to see them in this setting... Well I would. Derrick.. Glowing like wine, well it is friday night :-) From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sat May 16 18:09:54 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 23:09:54 +0100 Subject: OFF: N2O In-Reply-To: <199805161549.KAA18154@mail.mymail.net> Message-ID: At 10:49 16/05/98 -0500, you wrote: >>> Meanwhile... I've been heavily into N20 recently. The >>> stuff is cheap, >>> legal, non-addictive, and makes you feel f***ing >>> incredible! There's >>> gotta be some sort of terrible side effect i'm sure. Is >>> anyone an ex-user, or does anyone have accurate >>> information about it? > >Well, my fiancee knows a dentist who got into that stuff, >and ended up 1) losing his job, 2) losing his wife, 3) >losing his 5 children (to his wife), and 4) losing just >about all respect from all of his friends and family. > >But I guess some people think it's worth it. Go figure. > >Damon When my wife was giving birth to our daughter, it was two puffs for her... & one for me (:-{)> (no ill-effects noted). You can also hook it up to your car/'bike/moped for better overtaking *giggle* There's also a story of Owsley opening up a cylinder of nitrous in the mens room at LAX when the Dead where travelling somewhere. Unfortunately, he hadn't got a proper regulator on it, so the expansion cooling started to freeze up the valve & it started to make a sort of squealing noise. Weir (I think) found him trying to prop it under a running hot water tap in order to be able to leave the thing to fulfil his attempted practical joke. (cf. "The Grateful Dead" by Hank Harrison) ChrisW ObCD: Miles davis - Dark Magus "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Sun May 17 09:25:11 1998 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 08:25:11 EST Subject: HW: Cyberspace Interview In-Reply-To: <199805151208.NAA18420@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>; from "M Holmes" at May 15, 98 01:08:55 pm Message-ID: > > Keith Henderson writes: > > > P.S. They've got a pretty cool photo of the Atomhenge stage set up there. > > First time I've ever really seen it. The photo collage on the Tales from > > Atomhenge CD booklet just doesn't give you an accurate picture of what it > > was like. So, who actually saw it in person?? > > I saw the chopped down version that they used on the Spirit of the Age > tour in 1977. I also saw the now legendary Wind of Change video with the > tree growing. > > FoFP > They used the "wind of change"video during the summer 1980 gigs and used during motorway city,which is very apt.I dont think they used with the hawklordstour and cant remember it during the '79 tour. regards Marty From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Sat May 16 18:33:10 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (The Automind) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 15:33:10 PDT Subject: OFF: N2O Message-ID: >When my wife was giving birth to our daughter, it was two puffs for her... >& one for me (:-{)> (no ill-effects noted). > >You can also hook it up to your car/'bike/moped for better overtaking *giggle* Have you done this??? Where do I hook what up???? i have an electric valve i could use to release it!! /\ | | "|" |"| |\/| | |\| |'\ |''| |_| | |_| | | | | | |_/ -----. .----- |____ | | ____| \| |/ . . | |\ /| | | \ / | | \ \____________/ / | \ / | \ / | \____________/ | | | \________/ | | | ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Sat May 16 19:45:05 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (SPRAWL) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 19:45:05 -0400 Subject: OFF: N2O Message-ID: > > >Well, my fiancee knows a dentist who got into that stuff, > >and ended up 1) losing his job, 2) losing his wife, 3) > >losing his 5 children (to his wife), and 4) losing just > >about all respect from all of his friends and family. > > > >But I guess some people think it's worth it. Go figure. > > this guy was an idiot to begin with. rj From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Sat May 16 20:38:31 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (The Automind) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 17:38:31 PDT Subject: OFF: Scientology Message-ID: Here is a booklet I found, written by ex-Scientologist Jon Atack. If you're interested in the subject you should read it. The author is very well informed and uses facts and direct quotes (tragically these qualities aren't common on the web). http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Fishman/atack-freedom-trap.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Sat May 16 21:39:41 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (The Automind) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 18:39:41 PDT Subject: OFF: Dark Star Message-ID: Has anyone ever seen the film 'Dark Star'? It's like a Hawkwind number turned into a film! Great fun. There was this freakish scene where one of the ship members was having a conversation with the cryogenically frozen captain! "AM PROGRAMMED TO DETONATE IN 9 MINUTES. DETONATION WILL OCCUR AT THE PROGRAMMED TIME" - the talking thermostellar bomb that couldn't detach from the ship. Crewmembers are trying to talk it into disarming itself Directed by John Carpenter. It was a film he did originally in college then received a small, small budget to expand it into a showable production. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From senator at UGCS.CALTECH.EDU Sat May 16 22:03:25 1998 From: senator at UGCS.CALTECH.EDU (Bill Bradley) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 19:03:25 -0700 Subject: OFF: Dark Star In-Reply-To: <19980517013941.5586.qmail@hotmail.com> from "The Automind" at May 16, 98 06:39:41 pm Message-ID: > Has anyone ever seen the film 'Dark Star'? It's like a Hawkwind number > turned into a film! Great fun. There was this freakish scene where one > of the ship members was having a conversation with the cryogenically > frozen captain! > > "AM PROGRAMMED TO DETONATE IN 9 MINUTES. DETONATION WILL OCCUR AT THE > PROGRAMMED TIME" - the talking thermostellar bomb that couldn't detach > from the ship. Crewmembers are trying to talk it into disarming itself > > Directed by John Carpenter. It was a film he did originally in college > then received a small, small budget to expand it into a showable > production. And don't forget Dan O'Bannon, of Alien, Heavy Metal, Screamers, and Total Recall as Pinback. He co-wrote the movie with Carpenter when they were in film school. Bill From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Sun May 17 01:55:41 1998 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 23:55:41 -0600 Subject: BOC: Discovery Message-ID: Howdy y'all, I just discovered something... But before I start this, I have to point out that I haven't had much time to read BOC mails lately, so it could be that somebody's already mentioned this recently... my apologies if this is the case. So anyway, once in a while, I like to try good-sounding URL's and see if they actually exist. Anyone ever tried www.science-fiction.com, for instance ? :-) Take out the hyphen and you'll find another site, more relevant ;-)) I also remember (was it last year ?) when some of us tried stuff like www.boc.com... Well, this time, I tried : www.blueoystercult.com I didn't really expect to find anything... but I was wrong !!! Actually, there are just 2 links on there, one pointing to www.bocfanclub.com... but I thought it was fun & relevant enough to be worth mentioning... So is this Bolle's site, or what ? Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun May 17 11:55:02 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 08:55:02 -0700 Subject: OFF: Dark Star Message-ID: When I was a lad it was one of the films that student acquaintances (they were students, I worked behind the bar) always dropped into conversations as one of their favourite films. Having been fooled into believing that they knew what they were talking about (after all they were at University!), I succumbed. One Friday night I went off with them to the Classic (by day a porn cinema, but Friday/Saturday nights were given over to alt/music films).And... It was the single biggest pile of garbage I had ever seen in my life. Badly filmed, no story and the worst special effects I had ever seen. It's and allegory they spieled. Just another lame excuse by people trying to justify what they had read in the Guardian the week before. I exacted my revenge, however. I persuaded them to go see 200 Motels at a film festival a couple of months later. That showed them! Zeit The Automind wrote: > > Has anyone ever seen the film 'Dark Star'? It's like a Hawkwind number > turned into a film! Great fun. There was this freakish scene where one > of the ship members was having a conversation with the cryogenically > frozen captain! > > "AM PROGRAMMED TO DETONATE IN 9 MINUTES. DETONATION WILL OCCUR AT THE > PROGRAMMED TIME" - the talking thermostellar bomb that couldn't detach > from the ship. Crewmembers are trying to talk it into disarming itself > > Directed by John Carpenter. It was a film he did originally in college > then received a small, small budget to expand it into a showable > production. > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- ======================================================= One is currently shaking ones booty to; JULIAN COPE - 20 Mothers ERIC BURDON & THE ANIMALS - Inside Out ======================================================= E-zine: http://zeitgeist-scot.com/ Personal e-mail: zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com Shortcut to Record Hunter http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/hunter.html RH e-mail: record.hunter at dial.pipex.com ======================================================= From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun May 17 04:18:25 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 09:18:25 +0100 Subject: OFF: Dark Star In-Reply-To: <355F0856.145B@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: > When I was a lad it was one of the films that student > acquaintances (they were students, I worked behind the bar) > always dropped into conversations as one of their favourite > films. Having been fooled into believing that they knew > what they were talking about (after all they were at University!), > I succumbed. > One Friday night I went off with them to the Classic (by day a porn > cinema, but Friday/Saturday nights were given over to alt/music > films).And... > It was the single biggest pile of garbage I had ever seen in my life. Like _Blade Runner_, you had to have seen it when it was new. It was so original amd influential it's unbelievable. But now it's been done 100 times, and 100 times better, it looks like crap. And if someone made an identical film now, it *would* be crap. Is this *really* a film list now? :) I saw a clip from Emmerich's _Godzilla_ yesterday. Bunch of schoolkids in the Natural History Museum, lecturer points to a T Rex skeleton and says, "this is the biggest predator to ever walk the Earth." Cue Godzilla'a foot. Laugh, I nearly did. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mumford at ONLINE.NO Sun May 17 06:19:45 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 12:19:45 +0200 Subject: OFF: Dark Star Message-ID: Very weird - I sent some posts to BOC-L yesterday that never made it. Huh. Oh well, there tends to be this odd lag of some sort sometimes - but over a day?? Anyway: > Like _Blade Runner_, you had to have seen it when it was new. It was so > original amd influential it's unbelievable. But now it's been > done 100 times, and 100 times better, it looks like crap. And if someone > made an identical film now, it *would* be crap. This is a special flick IMO - particularly Dan O'Bannon's obvious pre-Alien idea (the balloon alien in the hallway!). Not to mention that wonderful soundtracvk "Benson Arizona" - and surfing into that nebula on a piece of debris in the end... I rented it once and my friend hated it, and subsequently me for ruining their evening. I think its a cool film best viewed alone :) One of the few films where the abridged version is best - and that in itself can be a real drag from time to time! Chr. ObHoliday: 17. mai ObAnd: I really can't bring myself to dress up in a monkey suit to wave a flag "Where's the medicine!?" - H. Leroy Newton "MEATBALL!" - Robert Crumb From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun May 17 07:51:37 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 11:51:37 +0000 Subject: OFF: Dark Star Message-ID: I always got a laugh out of _Dark Star_. It's a film I like to see every now and again :) I've never actually run into anyone who hated it, though I've not looked very hard :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From brian-coulthard at EMAIL.MSN.COM Sun May 17 07:54:58 1998 From: brian-coulthard at EMAIL.MSN.COM (Brian Coulthard) Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 12:54:58 +0100 Subject: Private Hawkgig In-Reply-To: <199805170900.FAA25999@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Briliant idea I'm in From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Sun May 17 09:56:42 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 06:56:42 -0700 Subject: Dark Star In-Reply-To: <19980517013941.5586.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > Has anyone ever seen the film 'Dark Star'? It's like a Hawkwind number > turned into a film! Great fun. There was this freakish scene where one > of the ship members was having a conversation with the cryogenically > frozen captain! > > "AM PROGRAMMED TO DETONATE IN 9 MINUTES. DETONATION WILL OCCUR AT THE > PROGRAMMED TIME" - the talking thermostellar bomb that couldn't detach > from the ship. Crewmembers are trying to talk it into disarming itself > > Directed by John Carpenter. It was a film he did originally in college > then received a small, small budget to expand it into a showable > production. "This is your Captain speaking: your Captain is dead!" Yes, a most excellent movie, filled with some of the cleverest, driest humor I've seen. Three thumbs up! Kevin Sommers ? Primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu ? http://www.psn.net/~novadrive/ From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun May 17 19:15:37 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 16:15:37 -0700 Subject: OFF: Dark Star Message-ID: Well I can't be sure of dates (the 70's & 80's have a tendency to blur) but it was between 79 and 81, and I stand by my garbage comment. I thought Blade Runner was stylistically very good, but let down by poor casting (and yes I saw it when it was new). BOC in particular have been influenced by film, so it seems a fair enough sidebar. And I still say that a small clique of influential people watching films made by their friends and puffing them up in the media has created a layer of people too scared to speak out against some unwatcheable bilge. Thi is true of all methods of artistic expression. I will demur from my usual anti-elitism rant, as it's Sunday and the sun is shining. Zeit I wrote > > It was the single biggest pile of garbage I had ever seen in my life. Andy Gilham wrote> > Like _Blade Runner_, you had to have seen it when it was new. It was so > original amd influential it's unbelievable. But now it's been > done 100 times, and 100 times better, it looks like crap. And if someone > made an identical film now, it *would* be crap. > > Is this *really* a film list now? :) > > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham -- ======================================================= One is currently shaking ones booty to; MONSTER MAGNET - Negasonic Teenage Warhead (in anticipation of 1/6) MISERY LOVES CO - Happy? ======================================================= E-zine: http://zeitgeist-scot.com/ Personal e-mail: zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com Shortcut to Record Hunter http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/hunter.html RH e-mail: record.hunter at dial.pipex.com ======================================================= From eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK Sun May 17 19:11:04 1998 From: eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK (eldritch) Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 16:11:04 -0700 Subject: OFF: Gong in Paris! Message-ID: :-() Just back from seeing Gong at the Bataclan in Paris.. Wow..I've never seen them that heavy. One of the best gigs I've ever been too. They blew the whole place away!! I had to double take to make sure I wasn't back in the seventies :-)))) Now if I can just get my pretty new scanner working.aaaaaaaaaaaaaargh! Eldritch ObCD: Gong Live in Paris - Bataclan 1973. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun May 17 13:09:55 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 17:09:55 +0000 Subject: OFF: Dark Star Message-ID: On s?n 17 maj 1998 16.15 -0700 "Stuart Hamilton" wrote: > And I still say that a small clique of influential people watching > films made by their friends and puffing them up in the media has > created a layer of people too scared to speak out against some unwatcheable > bilge. Thi is true of all methods of artistic expression. Well, I'd never heard of _Dark Star_ or anyone involved with it before I sat down and watched it, and thought it was quite trashy and good fun. But then I like lots of things which I'm sure are complete bilge :) I tend to like things that come across as honest trash better than those which aspire to greatness and fail. Which (to steer us back on topic) is why I think I like Hawkwind. Music of great complexity and subtly is not really their forte :) But they are, quite often, damn good at what they do. And even if they were _trying_ to be prentensious, they come across with such awesomely campy pulp that it's difficult to notice. And so, on the other hand, middle-70s Floyd do very little for me, for all that its "better" constructed. They just struck me as pretensious, whiny, and, truth to tell, not much _fun_ :) That's OK in small doses, but Floyd seem to have just _wallowed_ in it ... [Dangerously similar to Brock's contributions to _DH_, actually ...] I can't imagine trying to hold _Dark Star_ up as a great artistic achievement. I can imagine holding it up as quite good fun to sit down with a few mates and a few beers and watch, since that's more or less how I would hold it up :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Sun May 17 13:58:28 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (The Automind) Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 10:58:28 PDT Subject: OFF: Dark Star Message-ID: > I can't imagine trying to hold _Dark Star_ up as a great artistic ac= >hievement. I can imagine holding it up as quite good fun to sit down wit= >h a few mates and a few beers and watch, since that's more or less how I = >would hold it up :) > >Cheers, >Carl I agree completely with this, it's all I was trying to say.- good clean fun. I wasn't trying to pass it off as fine art. I still hold to my observation that it's like a Hawkwind song, intentionally (?) cheesy and pretentious, but with moments of stunning, unusual brilliance. Not to mention the actual plot of the film: A crew of misfits travelling aimlessly through the universe in a decaying space ship. Pretty common HW theme, Eh? And I didn't see this film when it was new, either. I first watched it about a year ago, then saw it again last week. Special effects were terrible, but you have to admit they looked *cool*. Very colorful and trippy, and so were the sets for the ship's interior. I mean, what kind of budget wdid they have to make that? it couldn't have been more than $30,000, yet the film is more entertaining than every big budget sci-fi flick I've seen, except maybe Star Wars (and that's so f***ing hyped, merchandised, and generally exploited I can't even watch it anymore). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sun May 17 14:15:41 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 14:15:41 -0400 Subject: BOC: Discovery In-Reply-To: <199805170555.XAA00684@LAGUNA-01.laguna.com.mx> Message-ID: On Sat, 16 May 1998, Alex S. Garcia wrote: > www.blueoystercult.com > > I didn't really expect to find anything... but I was wrong !!! Actually, > there are just 2 links on there, one pointing to www.bocfanclub.com... but I > thought it was fun & relevant enough to be worth mentioning... > > So is this Bolle's site, or what ? It doesn't appear so. Here is what InterNIC have on file for that domain: Miles-Kevin Baron (BLUEOYSTERCULT4-DOM) 34 Victoria Square Frederick, MD 21702 US Domain Name: BLUEOYSTERCULT.COM Administrative Contact: Baron, Miles-Kevin (MB10581) mileskb at AOL.COM 301-846-0044 (FAX) 301-846-0044 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Operations, Network (NO52) noc at FRED.NET 301-631-5300 Billing Contact: Baron, Miles-Kevin (MB10581) mileskb at AOL.COM 301-846-0044 (FAX) 301-846-0044 Record last updated on 12-Mar-98. Record created on 12-Mar-98. Database last updated on 17-May-98 03:46:12 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: NS.FRED.NET 204.215.84.2 NS2.FRED.NET 204.215.84.100 Doesn't Miles run some sort of BOC site with tour info, etc.? I guess he decided to invest $100 and grab the domain name mid-March. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Skullflower, _This is Skullflower..._ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sun May 17 19:42:19 1998 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuckrecs) Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 19:42:19 EDT Subject: Off: Andy! Tape Swap Message-ID: Andy, I tried to e-mail you my address, but it got bounced. I'm sure I double checked it (Is there anything good about you? If there is, I really wanna know... :), but anyway...I have a tape, here's my address: 119 Nanette St. Redlands, Ca. 92373 U.S.A. Thanks, Chuck From talger at PIPELINE.COM Sun May 17 23:16:42 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Your Name) Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 23:16:42 -0400 Subject: OFF: King's X stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ghost sez >Ted>to me, the bigger question is...Who the hell is gonna want to go on >last? I'm sure GC would probably open, but if you were either of the >other 2 bands.... would YOU want to have to go on last??? > >Naw this is cake. GC to open followed by FW with KX on top. FW and KX >may trade occassionally based on who's bigger in a certain area. > well, I was thinking more in terms of the last band on thinking "Holy S**T we gotta follow THOSE guys????" kinda like Sabbath musta done when BOC was blowing them off the stage ;-) >As long as you have music stores its ok. Know anything about HW? believe it or not, I do happen to have a HW album or two....it was the Moorcock connection that got me into BOTH bands...stuck with the BOC though.... > >Gonna spin some OOTSP in tribute to you. How long is your tour anyway, >2-3 years? > well, if I go by myself, 2 years....if I happen to get custody of my daughter, 3 ........ 2 weeks to go to the custody hearing..... (fingers and everything ELSE crossed) Ted From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Mon May 18 00:07:56 1998 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 23:07:56 -0500 Subject: OFF: N2O Message-ID: On Sat, 16 May 1998 19:05:24 +0200 Christian000Mumford wrote: >Well, I just did a kwik search in my brain upon reading your post: > >1) I said CRAP drugs as opposed to "right and proper drugs" >- i.e. drugs that would cause less harm than alcohol if >they were not controlled substances (preventing OD, >poisoning from impurities etc. etc.) Hey... I wasn't trying to convince anybody; the guy asked for information, and that is what I found. I agree, the effects are on about the same level as alcohol, and if someone has a choice between N2O and LSD ('90s LSD, not Sandoz), I think the practical answer is obvious. I just figured, if a person has a thing about, say, B12 deficiency, at least he knows what he's getting into. >2) Disney Figured you'd balk at that. In fact, I meant to make a point of it. :-) > >3) the out-and-out drug culture that spawned Hawkwind, for >better or worse. Back when LSD would merely make you lose your mind. Damon From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Mon May 18 00:07:59 1998 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 23:07:59 -0500 Subject: OFF: N2O Message-ID: On Sat, 16 May 1998 19:45:05 -0400 SPRAWL wrote: >> >Well, my fiancee knows a dentist who got into that stuff, >> >and ended up 1) losing his job, 2) losing his wife, 3) >> >losing his 5 children (to his wife), and 4) losing just >> >about all respect from all of his friends and family. >> > >> >But I guess some people think it's worth it. Go figure. > >this guy was an idiot to begin with. rj The dentist? Yeah, I guess I know what you mean. To point out a less extreme example, though my fiancee is willing to admit that drinking alcoholic beverages is not a sin in itself, she still can't stand being around alcohol, and would have a major problem if I started drinking. Anything. So, if I have a choice between 1) getting a buzz with my friends and coming home to an extremely disappointed wife, and 2) staying sober, then coming home to make love to the second most wonderful gift God has given to me, ..well, let's just say I'm smarter than the dentist. :-) From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Mon May 18 02:14:33 1998 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 07:14:33 +0100 Subject: HW: Private HAWKWIND gig Message-ID: WHO ELSE ????? Me. Neil S. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon May 18 03:09:00 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 08:09:00 +0100 Subject: OFF: N2O In-Reply-To: <199805180407.XAA28743@mail.mymail.net> Message-ID: A word to the wise - it's probably not a good idea to get preachy about drugs on a Hawkwind list, of all places... - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon May 18 03:50:01 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 08:50:01 +0100 Subject: hw: OK, so who's the Mac User ? Message-ID: I notice that the latest edition of MacUser has a review of the G3 Powerbook. No big deal, except that in the big glossy spread extolling its virtues, the CD-Rom drive clearly has 'Hawkwind - Future Reconstructions Solstice Mixes' laying in the tray ! So which one of us works for Apple and is trying for some subtle advertising ? cheers, Tim Shoulda chosen a better album though ! :) From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon May 18 03:58:16 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 08:58:16 +0100 Subject: hw: ICU gig Message-ID: I notice that in the sunday times upcoming gigs guide, there was mention of an ICU gig @ Evening Standard s17 in London. I *think* the day was thursday. They were headlining with a couple of other (frankly dubious & unheard of) bands. For those that might be interested. Tim ObCD: Auntie Aubrey's Excursions Beyond the Call of Duty From richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK Mon May 18 04:10:00 1998 From: richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK (Cutting, Richard) Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 09:10:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Private HAWKWIND gig === Message-ID: I agree. Lights & P A are not a problem. If the band doesn't want to use theirs I have a friend who owns a PA hire company and I'm sure that he'd give a good rate, especially if he got some help lugging the stuff about ! I have another friend who is a manager of a London based band and I'm sure that he could suggest a suitable venue to use ( they also have a PA system so it could be possible to use that ). Video should also not be a problem, yet another friend of mine is studying video production and can get access to cameras etc. Plus students at his college are always looking for interesting projects to do. > ---------- > From: Bernhard > Pospiech[SMTP:bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: 16 May 1998 14:15 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: HW: Private HAWKWIND gig > > Hi > > >Ich auch. But do we know how much it costs to get HW to play? >And > do we > know how we would get PA, lights, etc.? > > I do not know but I have got a video where HW played in a pub called > BEEHIVE in BRIDPORT on 10.03.1989. > > They didn't have much lights and PA. I think that we can take the PA > which > belongs to the band and some coloured torches. We do not need to fill > the > MADISONS SQUARE GARDEN with sound. > > Someone who has got very good contact to the band should ask how much > money > they need to give small and private gigs for the real HARDCORE fans > (in > London of course to make things easy for the band) > > > Bernhard > *********************************************************************** LEGAL DISCLAIMER *********************************************************************** The contents of this email and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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I *think* the day > was thursday. > They were headlining with a couple of other (frankly dubious & unheard of) > bands. *Royal* Standard, E17 :) But the New Cross gig on Saturday is much more convenient for me! - Andy (not using a Mac) mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Mon May 18 05:10:37 1998 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:10:37 +0200 Subject: HW: Private HAWKWIND gig Message-ID: >I agree. Lights & P A are not a problem. If the band doesn't want to use >theirs I have a friend who owns a PA hire company and I'm sure that he'd >give a good rate, especially if he got some help lugging the stuff about >! I have another friend who is a manager of a London based band and I'm >sure that he could suggest a suitable venue to use ( they also have a PA >system so it could be possible to use that ). Video should also not >be a problem, yet another friend of mine is studying video production >and can get access to cameras etc. Plus students at his college are >always looking for interesting projects to do. Well, it really looks good. What we have to do now is to get in contact with the band or management (what about you guys: Paul, Guy or Mike?) and ask them if they would like to do such a gig. I think that the money won't be a problem. More than 20 fans from the list said that they would pay the 50 US$. (= 1000 US$). And I am sure there will be some more. I phoned some friends here in Germany who are HAWKWIND fans and are not on the list and they all want to pay the money and see this gig Maybe you BOC-L members could ask your friends. I am sure we will collect more than 3000 US$ for this event Bernhard From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Mon May 18 05:14:04 1998 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 10:14:04 +0100 Subject: hw: ICU gig In-Reply-To: <000201bd8239$feef8a20$9c3f63c3@default> Message-ID: On Mon, 18 May 1998, Andy Gilham wrote: > > I notice that in the sunday times upcoming gigs guide, there was > > mention of > > an ICU gig @ Evening Standard s17 in London. I *think* the day > > was thursday. > > *Royal* Standard, E17 :) But the New Cross gig on Saturday is much more > convenient for me! Is there more info anywhere of when they'er playing? Thursday is out for me, but Saturday is possible, so I'm interested. According to the Guardian Nik is playing with this 'hard prog rock' outfit, is this true? Mike w From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon May 18 03:56:44 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 08:56:44 +0100 Subject: OFF: N2O In-Reply-To: <199805180407.XAA28733@mail.mymail.net> Message-ID: In article <199805180407.XAA28733 at mail.mymail.net>, DAMON CAPEHART writes >Back when LSD would merely make you lose your mind. > >Damon Gee. What happens these days, then? -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon May 18 03:58:27 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 08:58:27 +0100 Subject: OFF: N2O In-Reply-To: <199805180407.XAA28743@mail.mymail.net> Message-ID: In article <199805180407.XAA28743 at mail.mymail.net>, DAMON CAPEHART writes >The dentist? Yeah, I guess I know what you mean. To point out a >less extreme example, though my fiancee is willing to admit that >drinking alcoholic beverages is not a sin in itself, she still >can't stand being around alcohol, and would have a major problem >if I started drinking. Anything. So, if I have a choice between > 1) getting a buzz with my friends and coming home to an > extremely disappointed wife, and > 2) staying sober, then coming home to make love to the > second most wonderful gift God has given to me, > >..well, let's just say I'm smarter than the dentist. :-) You don't have five kids yet, either. -- Jon From mumford at ONLINE.NO Mon May 18 05:46:45 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:46:45 +0200 Subject: OFF: N2O Message-ID: Damon says: > if > someone has a choice between N2O and LSD ('90s LSD, not > Sandoz), Street acid generally isn't so impure, just weaker. If it is so impure, then the tiny amount of (alleged) strychnine and PCP on that tiny blotter won't kill you (and, you know what they say "what doesen't kill you..." etc. etc.) I mean, the worst thing that can happen is going crazy. > I think the practical answer is obvious. Yes, well keep an eye on the kids in case they are wearing any BLUE STAR TATTOOS eh???? "Ah heard dem thangs is dangrous ah did, dem get kids all crazy and hooked on dat crazy comic book tattoo stuff!" > I just figured, if a person has a thing about, say, B12 > deficiency, at least he knows what he's getting into. B12 deficiency - merciless killer of millions. > >2) Disney > > Figured you'd balk at that. In fact, I meant to make a > point of it. :-) Right, I knew I had a Mickey Mouse sheet of acid around somewhere --- shit, the cat just ate it! "kitty, let me get you the typewriter". > > > >3) the out-and-out drug culture that spawned Hawkwind, for > >better or worse. > > Back when LSD would merely make you lose your mind. What else does it do now? Please tell me :) Chr. > Damon "Where's the medicine!?" - H. Leroy Newton "MEATBALL!" - Robert Crumb From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon May 18 06:34:37 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:34:37 +0100 Subject: hw: ICU gig In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Is there more info anywhere of when they'er playing? Thursday is out for > me, but Saturday is possible, so I'm interested. According to the Guardian > Nik is playing with this 'hard prog rock' outfit, is this true? This is what Trev already posted: 21 May The Royal Standard 1 Blackhorse Rd E17 support: Excathedra, Anoraks, Bushweael 23rd May Goldsmith's Tavern New Cross, London support: Disturbed 24 May Blandford Fest with Nik Turners All Stars, Ruby Throat 29 May The Albert Trafalgar St Brighton 29 July-2 Aug Big Green Gathering - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon May 18 09:08:25 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 06:08:25 -0700 Subject: OFF: King's X - Still Cake! Message-ID: Naw this is cake. GC to open followed by FW with KX on top. FW and KX >may trade occassionally based on who's bigger in a certain area. > Ted A.>well, I was thinking more in terms of the last band on thinking "Holy S**T we gotta follow THOSE guys????" kinda like Sabbath musta done when BOC was blowing them off the stage ;-) Uh Ted you realize that neither GC or FW can play as well as KX don't you? I mean there is nothing to fear here for Doug, Ty and Jerry. Ted A>well, if I go by myself, 2 years....if I happen to get custody of my daughter, 3 ........ 2 weeks to go to the custody hearing..... (fingers and everything ELSE crossed) Best wishes, hope everything turns out for the best. Ghost From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon May 18 09:10:24 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 08:10:24 -0500 Subject: BOC: World's Ugliest Fan, sort of... Message-ID: "This world ain't about trust, its about Dominance and Submission, its about Power!" Violator, from the second season premiere of Spawn Ghost in the Ruins OBCD - Moonflower Lane, Ty Tabor From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Mon May 18 12:23:37 1998 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 16:23:37 GMT Subject: hw: ICU gig In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 18 May 1998 10:14:04 +0100, you sent through the ether: >Nik is playing with this 'hard prog rock' outfit, is this true? Nope, (Unless Trev has convinced him to guest..) It`s Trevors version of ICU.. -Steve -www.doremi.co.uk From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon May 18 13:46:25 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 18:46:25 +0100 Subject: OFF: N2O In-Reply-To: <199805180954.LAA25112@online.no> Message-ID: At 11:46 18/05/98 +0200, you wrote: >Damon says: > >> if >> someone has a choice between N2O and LSD ('90s LSD, not >> Sandoz), > >Street acid generally isn't so impure, just weaker. If it is so impure, >then the tiny amount of (alleged) strychnine and PCP on that tiny blotter >won't kill you (and, you know what they say "what doesen't kill you..." >etc. etc.) > >I mean, the worst thing that can happen is going crazy. > >> I think the practical answer is obvious. > >Yes, well keep an eye on the kids in case they are wearing any BLUE STAR >TATTOOS eh???? "Ah heard dem thangs is dangrous ah did, dem get kids all >crazy and hooked on dat crazy comic book tattoo stuff!" > >> I just figured, if a person has a thing about, say, B12 >> deficiency, at least he knows what he's getting into. > And I already told you about Blue Sunshine ;-{)> ChrisW "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon May 18 13:44:52 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 18:44:52 +0100 Subject: OFF: N2O In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 08:56 18/05/98 +0100, you wrote: >In article <199805180407.XAA28733 at mail.mymail.net>, DAMON CAPEHART > writes >>Back when LSD would merely make you lose your mind. >> >>Damon > >Gee. What happens these days, then? >-- >Jon Browne > > Pretty much the same as before...and I managed to find it again. ChrisW ObRadio4: I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon May 18 13:47:50 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 18:47:50 +0100 Subject: OFF: King's X stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 23:16 17/05/98 -0400, you wrote: >well, if I go by myself, 2 years....if I happen to get custody of my >daughter, 3 ........ 2 weeks to go to the custody hearing..... >(fingers and everything ELSE crossed) > > > >Ted > > All the best... I'm having enough aggravation just over organizing access. Cheers, ChrisW "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From mumford at ONLINE.NO Mon May 18 13:59:54 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 19:59:54 +0200 Subject: hw: ICU gig Message-ID: > >Nik is playing with this 'hard prog rock' outfit, is this true? > > > Nope, (Unless Trev has convinced him to guest..) It`s Trevors version of > ICU.. > > -Steve > -www.doremi.co.uk Well, certain unsubstantiated rumours describe Nik Turner's All Stars as "a sort of hard edged sort of dance music" - make of that as thou wilt! Chr. "Where's the medicine!?" - H. Leroy Newton "MEATBALL!" - Robert Crumb From mumford at ONLINE.NO Mon May 18 14:06:27 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 20:06:27 +0200 Subject: OFF: nuclear families & the all those boring counter revolutions Message-ID: > >well, if I go by myself, 2 years....if I happen to get custody of my > >daughter, 3 ........ 2 weeks to go to the custody hearing..... > >(fingers and everything ELSE crossed) > > > > > > > >Ted > > > > > All the best... I'm having enough aggravation just over organizing access. > > Cheers, > ChrisW looks like all these misguided offspring are here to perpetuate ad infinitum! Chr. "Where's the medicine!?" - H. Leroy Newton "MEATBALL!" - Robert Crumb From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Mon May 18 18:34:33 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (SPRAWL) Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 18:34:33 -0400 Subject: OFF: N2O Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: > > > >..well, let's just say I'm smarter than the dentist. :-) > > You don't have five kids yet, either. > -- > Jon Jon ! Shhhhhhhh.... Don't spoil it for him! Just kidding, Damon. =) rj From talger at PIPELINE.COM Mon May 18 23:57:23 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted) Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 23:57:23 -0400 Subject: OFF: King's X stuff In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980518184750.007cd130@mail.clara.net> Message-ID: >At 23:16 17/05/98 -0400, you wrote: > >>well, if I go by myself, 2 years....if I happen to get custody of my >>daughter, 3 ........ 2 weeks to go to the custody hearing..... >>(fingers and everything ELSE crossed) >> >> >> >>Ted >> >> >All the best... I'm having enough aggravation just over organizing access. > >Cheers, >ChrisW >"I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia thanks... I can sympathize.... it's been pretty tough here too. Ted From talger at PIPELINE.COM Tue May 19 00:01:02 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted) Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 00:01:02 -0400 Subject: OFF: King's X - Still Cake! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Uh Ted you realize that neither GC or FW can play as well as KX don't >you? I mean there is nothing to fear here for Doug, Ty and Jerry. > well.....I suppose... different styles and all that.... Ray and Doug both have incredible voices, but different vocal styles... in any case I wouldn't want to have to do it myself! >Ted A>well, if I go by myself, 2 years....if I happen to get custody of >my daughter, 3 ........ 2 weeks to go to the custody hearing..... >(fingers and everything ELSE crossed) > > >Best wishes, hope everything turns out for the best. thanks Ted From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue May 19 00:19:39 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 04:19:39 +0000 Subject: OFF: N2O Message-ID: > >Damon says: > > > >> if > >> someone has a choice between N2O and LSD ('90s LSD, not > >> Sandoz), > > > >Street acid generally isn't so impure, just weaker. If it is so impure, > >then the tiny amount of (alleged) strychnine and PCP on that tiny blotter > >won't kill you (and, you know what they say "what doesen't kill you..." > >etc. etc.) > > > >I mean, the worst thing that can happen is going crazy. > > > >> I think the practical answer is obvious. > > > >Yes, well keep an eye on the kids in case they are wearing any BLUE STAR > >TATTOOS eh???? "Ah heard dem thangs is dangrous ah did, dem get kids all > >crazy and hooked on dat crazy comic book tattoo stuff!" > > > >> I just figured, if a person has a thing about, say, B12 > >> deficiency, at least he knows what he's getting into. > > > And I already told you about Blue Sunshine ;-{)> > > ChrisW > "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia I've been clean (if you discount alcohol and tobacco) for about 10 years now, so please don't get the wrong idea. I don't really have a prob with drugs...they just don't fit my lifestyle anymore. But all this talk has got me wondering...did anyone else partake of the mid-80s 'liquid incense' phase (rush, quicksilver, double eagle, et. al.)? HEADACHE CITY! Those are brain cells I'll never get back! -- Nick From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue May 19 07:30:11 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 07:30:11 -0400 Subject: BOC: World's Ugliest Fan, sort of... Message-ID: AB, this sounds like a new reference for the FAQ - email me some more info on this if you have it (jswartz at mitre.org). Thanks, John PS: I'll be out of the office most of this week, so my inputs here will be minimal (and there was much rejoicing...). From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue May 19 10:25:57 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 10:25:57 -0400 Subject: HW: Nikstock Message-ID: My local concert listings mention a Nikstock show this summer. Is this THE Nik? Sorry if this has already been discussed on the list. Brian obSHOW> Popa Chubby From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue May 19 13:22:08 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 17:22:08 +0000 Subject: hw: OK, so who's the Mac User ? Message-ID: On m?n 18 maj 1998 08.50 +0100 bart wrote: > I notice that the latest edition of MacUser has a review of the G3 Powerbook. > No big deal, except that in the big glossy spread extolling its virtues, the > CD-Rom drive clearly has 'Hawkwind - Future Reconstructions Solstice Mixes' > laying in the tray ! > So which one of us works for Apple and is trying for some subtle advertising ? > Shoulda chosen a better album though ! :) In Search of Hard Disk Space ... Perhaps "Future Reconstructions" is a subtextual indication that Apple intends to stop arsing about and market its products sensibly? Naahhh.... :/ Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon May 18 18:16:30 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 23:16:30 +0100 Subject: OFF: N2O &Internal combustion In-Reply-To: <19980516223310.1651.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: At 15:33 16/05/98 PDT, you wrote: >>When my wife was giving birth to our daughter, it was two puffs for >her... >>& one for me (:-{)> (no ill-effects noted). >> >>You can also hook it up to your car/'bike/moped for better overtaking >*giggle* > >Have you done this??? Where do I hook what up???? i have an electric >valve i could use to release it!! > I've never done it myself, but it used to be quite a common "streetracer" stunt: I know that you should only use it for short periods, or you'll total your mill. I think it raises combustion temperatures quite considerably - you just use it for the blast away from the traffic lights, or overtakning (or, alternatively, when some guy THINKS he's going to overtake you). Serious nitrous installations (I think) use some kind of water injection to keep things under control. Sorry I can't be more specific, but I am casting my mind back about 20 years to my 'biking days. It should be possible to double your power for short bursts. ChrisW ObCD:DECKSANDRUMSANDROCKANDROLL/Propellerheads "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue May 19 08:41:27 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 13:41:27 +0100 Subject: OFF: N2O In-Reply-To: <19980519081618.AAA7631@[208.214.94.93]> Message-ID: In article <19980519081618.AAA7631@[208.214.94.93]>, Nick English writes >I've been clean (if you discount alcohol and tobacco) for about 10 >years now, so please don't get the wrong idea. Tobacco, possibly, but if you drink, well, you're no "cleaner" than a pot smoker. What's the wrong idea, anyway? >I don't really have a >prob with drugs...they just don't fit my lifestyle anymore. Hey, who's judging. Not me. Do what you will. >But all this talk has got me wondering...did anyone else partake of >the mid-80s 'liquid incense' phase (rush, quicksilver, double eagle, >et. al.)? HEADACHE CITY! Amyl Nitrate (to the tune of BONANZA!, eh Steve?) > >Those are brain cells I'll never get back watch that shit, it can give you heart-pop. -- Jon ObCD - Spacemen 3 Tribute / Covers album. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue May 19 16:24:37 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 21:24:37 +0100 Subject: OFF: N2O In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Amyl Nitrate (to the tune of BONANZA!, eh Steve?) > > And the Guns of Navarone! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mordru at GEKKO.NET Tue May 19 17:04:17 1998 From: mordru at GEKKO.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 17:04:17 -0400 Subject: BOC: BOC in NSA documents Message-ID: Well, sort of.... I was going over some documents that the government has at the national security archive from the 1989 US invasion of Panama, (I was there at the time, I like to reminisce), and was somewhat amused to see that they kept a document detailing all songs played to annoy Manuel Noriega while he was in hiding in the Vatican embassy. Blue Oyster Cult appears in this official document at: http://www.seas.gwu.edu/nsarchive/nsa/DOCUMENT/DOC-PIC/950206_5.gif (just change the "5" to "1" through "6" if you want the entire document, "4" is the only one you really nead to preface it, the first three are cover page and table of contents...) I will never cease to be amazed at the stuff they file away. This stuff was apparently classified at one point, BTW... So, is this FAQ-worthy? OBCD: "Face of the Enemy", Christopher Franke, they finally put that background bar music from when Sheriden is getting the crap pounded out of him on CD.... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at gekko.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue May 19 17:09:52 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 17:09:52 -0400 Subject: HW/OFF: Dueling Festivals Message-ID: Hi Folks... I've just learned that there will be simultaneous space rock festivals being held on either side of the pond this coming August. So for those Europeans that can get their butts up to Jonkoping, Sweden on August 14-15th, you could get to see something that should definitely rival what we've got going on over here at Strange Daze. At least you won't have any reason to complain about us having our fun. (Only Paul and his OzHawk buddies have a valid complaint.) >From my memory, I think that the following bands are scheduled for the Jonkoping Space Rock Festival... darXtar w/ Nik Turner The Moor The Spacious Mind Jukon Speakers Pseudo Sun (ex-darXtar Cap'n Juba's band) Ace of Base (just kidding) others?? see http://w1.361.telia.com/~u36103517/ for more details. (For those of you that view a font that doesn't distinguish between 'ones' and 'ells', only the 'l' in 'telia' is an 'ell', all the others are 'ones'.) So, I guess the spirit of Bob Calvert will definitely be reached on the occasion of the 10th anniversary of his unfortunate demise. Keith H. (FAA) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue May 19 19:16:46 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 23:16:46 +0000 Subject: HW/OFF: Dueling Festivals Message-ID: On tis 19 maj 1998 17.09 -0400 "Keith Henderson" wrote: > So for those Europeans that can get their butts up to Jonkoping, Sweden on > August 14-15th, Hmmm. I _must_ go to Sweden at some point this summer anyway ... that might be as good a time as any :) Might be my only chance to see darXtar! Anyone else interested? -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue May 19 18:22:47 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 23:22:47 +0100 Subject: BOC: BOC in NSA documents In-Reply-To: <199805192104.RAA14652@blue.gekko.net> Message-ID: That was pretty evil, playing *Rick Astley*!!! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Andrew A. Apold > Sent: 19 May 1998 22:04 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: BOC: BOC in NSA documents > > > Well, sort of.... > > I was going over some documents that the government has > at the national security archive from the 1989 US invasion > of Panama, (I was there at the time, I like to reminisce), > and was somewhat amused to see that they kept a document > detailing all songs played to annoy Manuel Noriega while he > was in hiding in the Vatican embassy. Blue Oyster Cult > appears in this official document at: > http://www.seas.gwu.edu/nsarchive/nsa/DOCUMENT/DOC-PIC/950206_5.gif (just change the "5" to "1" through "6" if you want the entire document, "4" is the only one you really nead to preface it, the first three are cover page and table of contents...) I will never cease to be amazed at the stuff they file away. This stuff was apparently classified at one point, BTW... So, is this FAQ-worthy? OBCD: "Face of the Enemy", Christopher Franke, they finally put that background bar music from when Sheriden is getting the crap pounded out of him on CD.... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at gekko.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue May 19 18:25:19 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 23:25:19 +0100 Subject: HW/OFF: Dueling Festivals In-Reply-To: <408358.3104608606@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > > Anyone else interested? > Possibly, we'll see... meanwhile I see Monster Magnet are on the Friday bill at Reading. (And the Mediaeval Baebes are at Glasto, but let's keep this serious shall we :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Wed May 20 00:48:21 1998 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 22:48:21 -0600 Subject: BOC: Godzilla on Access Hollywood Message-ID: BTW, before I forget again... has anyone watched yesterday's "Access Hollywood" on NBC ? They ran a feature on Emmerich's Godzilla - during which, for a brief second or two, they played BOC's "Godzilla". I couldn't believe my ears ! Well, maybe Emmerich didn't want BOC in his movie, but apparently not everyone in Hollywood agrees with him ;-) I thought that was a nice touch. Even if it only lasted long enough to hear Bloom say "Godzilla" once ! Cool. Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed May 20 04:12:09 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 09:12:09 +0100 Subject: BOC: BOC in NSA documents In-Reply-To: <000001bd8374$a70353a0$873f63c3@default> Message-ID: In article <000001bd8374$a70353a0$873f63c3 at default>, Andy Gilham writes >That was pretty evil, playing *Rick Astley*!!! > >- Andy Hey man, Rick's *alright*! His daughter was in my son's nursery class. He's a nice bloke and very 'umble. He's also available for weddings and bar mitzvahs. -- Jon From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Wed May 20 00:39:31 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 04:39:31 +0000 Subject: OFF: N2O Message-ID: > Tobacco, possibly, but if you drink, well, you're no "cleaner" than a > pot smoker. What's the wrong idea, anyway? All I meant to say was that I didn't want anyone to think I was glorifying drugs (especially inhalants, which can be real dangerous). Given all the stuff I did when I was younger, it might be kinda hypocritical to come off too holier-than-thou, that's why I say I have no problem with drugs. And I DO drink from time to time, which I agree isn't much better or worse than smoking pot. And I work in radio, so if I had a problem with everyone who did drugs, I wouldn't have anyone to talk to during a normal day at the office :) -- Nick From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed May 20 06:15:27 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:15:27 +0000 Subject: HW/OFF: Dueling Festivals Message-ID: On tis 19 maj 1998 23.25 +0100 "Andy Gilham" wrote: > Possibly, we'll see... meanwhile I see Monster Magnet are on the Friday > bill at Reading. (And the Mediaeval Baebes are at Glasto, but let's keep > this serious shall we :) Actually, I've been meaning to find out when the Mediaeval Baebes are playing, since they indeed sound like a laugh! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed May 20 05:18:08 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:18:08 +0100 Subject: BOC: BOC in NSA documents In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Hey man, Rick's *alright*! > His daughter was in my son's nursery class. > He's a nice bloke and very 'umble. > He's also available for weddings and bar mitzvahs. Hey Jon, is there anyone you *don't* know? :) The only celebrity in my street is Lorraine Chase ("Luton Airport"). - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed May 20 05:27:07 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:27:07 +0100 Subject: HW/OFF: Dueling Festivals In-Reply-To: <550756.3104648127@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > > Actually, I've been meaning to find out when the Mediaeval Baebes are > playing, since they indeed sound like a laugh! > That they are, although a good friend of mine, who is a serious singer of that sort of music, is a bit sniffy about them - not because of their attitude (which she - my friend - rather approves of), but because they're just not very good at it! They do have a very funny homepage at http://eden.vmg.co.uk/baebes/index.html - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Wed May 20 05:28:09 1998 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:28:09 +0100 Subject: OFF: Dueling Festivals In-Reply-To: <550756.3104648127@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 May 1998, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > "Andy Gilham" wrote: > > And the Mediaeval Baebes are at Glasto, but let's keep > > this serious shall we :) > > Actually, I've been meaning to find out when the Mediaeval Baebes are > playing, since they indeed sound like a laugh! > And verily one of the leaders of the Babes was in Miranda Sex Garden, who were a brilliant band, evolving from Madrigals to industrial noise. And I heard them, and they were good. Now they're rubbish and should be avoided at all costs. If it is of any interest then MB are playing in guildford on weds 27th, so they might be doing a tour. I'm going just so I can feel completely out of place, in a venue I last went to to see HW. Look I've almost made this post on topic. Mike w From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Wed May 20 05:35:16 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (David Hardman) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:35:16 +0100 Subject: BOC: BOC in NSA documents In-Reply-To: <000201bd83d0$340dd580$8b3f63c3@default> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 May 1998, Andy Gilham wrote: > > Hey man, Rick's *alright*! > > His daughter was in my son's nursery class. > > He's a nice bloke and very 'umble. > > He's also available for weddings and bar mitzvahs. > > Hey Jon, is there anyone you *don't* know? :) > > The only celebrity in my street is Lorraine Chase ("Luton Airport"). I've had the pleasure of marking the academic work of the son of soccer star Ossie Ardiles (bright lad, too...) :) Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman HCI Design Centre School of Informatics City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed May 20 06:13:29 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 03:13:29 PDT Subject: OFF: Famous Dudes (was BOC: BOC in NSA documents) Message-ID: >On Wed, 20 May 1998, Andy Gilham wrote: > >> > Hey man, Rick's *alright*! >> > His daughter was in my son's nursery class. >> > He's a nice bloke and very 'umble. >> > He's also available for weddings and bar mitzvahs. >> >> Hey Jon, is there anyone you *don't* know? :) >> >> The only celebrity in my street is Lorraine Chase ("Luton Airport"). > >I've had the pleasure of marking the academic work of the son of soccer >star Ossie Ardiles (bright lad, too...) :) > >Dave > Hey I have met Arthur Brown (the man who had a Crazy World) so I'm better than all of you. I even took musical therapy with him. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed May 20 06:15:15 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 11:15:15 +0100 Subject: OFF: Tape Swap Message-ID: OK, I'm sending out the instructions to all participants. If you don't get yours, let me know! Now off to the post office with you. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed May 20 07:23:34 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 11:23:34 +0000 Subject: HW/OFF: Dueling Festivals Message-ID: On ons 20 maj 1998 10.27 +0100 "Andy Gilham" wrote: > That they are, although a good friend of mine, who is a serious singer of > that sort of music, is a bit sniffy about them - not because of their > attitude (which she - my friend - rather approves of), but because they're > just not very good at it! That's OK. I like Brock's guitar playing :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed May 20 06:23:35 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 03:23:35 PDT Subject: OFF: N2O Message-ID: >> Tobacco, possibly, but if you drink, well, you're no "cleaner" than a >> pot smoker. What's the wrong idea, anyway? > > >All I meant to say was that I didn't want anyone to think I was >glorifying drugs (especially inhalants, which can be real dangerous). >Given all the stuff I did when I was younger, it might be kinda >hypocritical to come off too holier-than-thou, that's why I say I >have no problem with drugs. And I DO drink from time to time, which I >agree isn't much better or worse than smoking pot. And I work in >radio, so if I had a problem with everyone who did drugs, I wouldn't >have anyone to talk to during a normal day at the office :) > >-- Nick > Was it Mr.A.Crowley who said "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law"? (I know he intended a different slant, but, well, allow me a paraphrase). Is this not becoming a little circular? Mr antisol/automind/whomsoever posted asking for advice. Presumably from people who have a little more experience, and clearly they abound here. Ahem. That whole hypocracy schtick has been left at the door, gentlemen, so those who know and don't regret it can offer tips for better living through pharmaceuticals to youngsters with time on their hands who want to enjoy later life with more than half of their neural pathways intact. Something along the lines of...."Hey I tried this and it screwed up my head - now I can't look at a wine glass without shaking and thinking of murderous biomechanical wine glass-shaped aliens with big teeth, so be careful when you mix Pernod and trips". Affectionately, Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Wed May 20 06:27:25 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (David Hardman) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 11:27:25 +0100 Subject: OFF: Famous Dudes (was BOC: BOC in NSA documents) In-Reply-To: <19980520101331.21801.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 May 1998, Horse Whisperer wrote: > > Hey I have met Arthur Brown (the man who had a Crazy World) so I'm > better than all of you. I even took musical therapy with him. > Hey, this is beginning to sound like Stella Street! For those who haven't seen it, a wonderfully absurd TV prog, whereby 2 impressionists play a range of characters all of whom live in the aforementioned suburb. For example, Mick 'n' Keef, having decided they're too old for rock 'n' roll, now run the grocers shop on the corner; Joe Pesci lives there, as does Jimmy Hill ("I find Joe a bit frightening actually"), Dirk Bogarde etc. Fav moment: When Michael Caine gives his decrepit old landlady a good kicking, because he's the only person in the street not invited to her party. Then he discovers it was a surprise party for him.... :) Whimsically, Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman HCI Design Centre School of Informatics City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed May 20 06:32:02 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 11:32:02 +0100 Subject: Famous Dudes (was BOC: BOC in NSA documents) In-Reply-To: <19980520101331.21801.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > > Hey I have met Arthur Brown (the man who had a Crazy World) so I'm > better than all of you. I even took musical therapy with him. > Arthur Brown is indeed a dude - he made a great guest appearance with Amon Duul II 18 months ago, was in terrific voice. Steering this back a bit closer to topic :) - Andy ObCD: The New Christs - _Woe Betide_ mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed May 20 06:55:43 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 11:55:43 +0100 Subject: OFF: Tape Swap In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 20 May 1998 11:15:15 BST." <001601bd83d8$2e9f2c40$8b3f63c3@default> Message-ID: > OK, I'm sending out the instructions to all participants. If you don't get > yours, let me know! > > Now off to the post office with you. In terms of giving track listings - how we gonna do this? I suggest attaching your email address with the tape so the recipient can email you for the listing when they want it. Posting them all to the list will spoil it for those in the loop later on. :) Tim From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed May 20 07:16:39 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:16:39 +0100 Subject: OFF: Tape Swap In-Reply-To: <199805201055.LAA23833@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: What I did was put a list of titles in with the tape, with no artist names. So when the recipient posts to say, what's this crap, they can say, the one called "Memphis Psychosis" and not, the one with the Brummie bloke ranting about taking too many pills in the men's room. (Actually I didn't include Mick Farren's "Memphis Psychosis" in the end, but I thought about it! "Oh shit - here comes the monoltih!") As for discussing on- or off-list, whatever, use your judgement... if people do send them on (as I hope they do), then I don't suppose there'll be many secrets left after 2 or 3 goes! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From HarrisonL1 at CARDIFF.AC.UK Wed May 20 12:14:21 1998 From: HarrisonL1 at CARDIFF.AC.UK (Luke Harrison) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:14:21 GMT0BST Subject: OFF: Famous Dudes (was BOC: BOC in NSA documents) In-Reply-To: <19980520101331.21801.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > Hey I have met Arthur Brown (the man who had a Crazy World) so I'm > better than all of you. I even took musical therapy with him. I think Arthur Brown needs more than just musical therapy! From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Wed May 20 09:46:43 1998 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:46:43 +0200 Subject: HW/OFF: Dueling Festivals Message-ID: > So for those Europeans that can get their butts up to Jonkoping, Sweden on > August 14-15th, Hmmm. I _must_ go to Sweden at some point this summer anyway ... that might be as good a time as any :) Might be my only chance to see darXtar! Anyone else interested? I am going to this one for sure. I have already planned to meet up with Jens from the Spacious mInd. He also said that the UK band MAN would possibly play as well as the organizer is a huge fan of theirs and early this year they had aggreed to play.. Maybe now they can't make it... So, Carl, come visit denmark and then we can go on up there! SCott ObCs- Atomic Bitch Wax- Longbranch, NJ 1995 (Ed Mundell's side project) R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 38 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed May 20 09:49:28 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 14:49:28 +0100 Subject: HW: Cyberspace Interview In-Reply-To: Martyn Lawrence's message of Sun, 17 May 1998 08:25:11 EST Message-ID: Martyn Lawrence writes: > They used the "wind of change"video during the summer 1980 gigs and > used during motorway city,which is very apt.I dont think they used > with the hawklordstour and cant remember it during the '79 tour. No, but the '79 tour did have that video of the guy at the dentist going on a laughing gas trip. Used during Shot Down in the Night if I remember correctly. > Marty FoFP From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Wed May 20 11:06:40 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:06:40 +0000 Subject: HW: Cyberspace Interview In-Reply-To: <199805201349.OAA04970@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: FoFP writes: > >No, but the '79 tour did have that video of the guy at the dentist going >on a laughing gas trip. Used during Shot Down in the Night if I remember >correctly. Anybody else remember the classic black+white cartoon strip that was used between about '82 and '88, with the cow that got shot by some cosmic ray gun and turned into sausages and pork-pies etc. - One of my enduring memories of the Llangton/Brock/Bainbridge era! Was used with Shot Down, or Master of the Universe? Guy T. PS remember the skull in the US cop's hat, used as a projection with Angels of Death? From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed May 20 10:19:42 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 16:19:42 +0200 Subject: HW: Cyberspace Interview Message-ID: > > Anybody else remember the classic black+white cartoon strip that was used > between about '82 and '88, with the cow that got shot by some cosmic ray gun > and turned into sausages and pork-pies etc. - One of my enduring memories of > the Llangton/Brock/Bainbridge era! Was used with Shot Down, or Master of the > Universe? > > > Guy T. > > PS remember the skull in the US cop's hat, used as a projection with Angels of > Death? I beleive both these are seen in the Chaos video... Chr. "Who am I? Where am I going? With no time to spare as a man rowing upon a shoreless lake. Never slowing the pace, but never spying land. I am as most people, I suppose - lost, not knowing why." - David McCallum "No, I am a bowl of soup." - Edmund Blackadder From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Wed May 20 11:37:01 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:37:01 +0000 Subject: HW: Cyberspace Interview / Blackadder In-Reply-To: <199805201425.QAA09009@online.no> Message-ID: >> >> Anybody else remember the classic black+white cartoon strip that was used >> between about '82 and '88, with the cow that got shot by some cosmic ray >gun >> and turned into sausages and pork-pies etc. - One of my enduring memories >of >> the Llangton/Brock/Bainbridge era! Was used with Shot Down, or Master of >>the >> Universe? >> >> >> Guy T. >> >> PS remember the skull in the US cop's hat, used as a projection with >>Angels of >> Death? > >I beleive both these are seen in the Chaos video... > >Chr. > > >"Who am I? Where am I going? With no time to spare > as a man rowing upon a shoreless lake. Never slowing > the pace, but never spying land. I am as most people, > I suppose - lost, not knowing why." > - David McCallum > >"No, I am a bowl of soup." > - Edmund Blackadder There's a rather nice Islay Single Malt Scotch Whiskey called "Blackadder" Sodoff Baldrick From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed May 20 10:43:12 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 09:43:12 -0500 Subject: BOC: Worlds Ugliest Fan sort of... Message-ID: >AB, this sounds like a new reference for the FAQ - email me some more info on this if you have it (jswartz at mitre.org). Thanks, Coming to you private e-mail. I really like the HBO series, as I don't collect the book. Sure some of our storeowners also follow the series. I have this episode on video tape so believe me when I say writing it is one thing but hearing the character say it gives it real menance. Ghost in the Ruins OBCD - Wounded Land, Threshold From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Wed May 20 07:31:06 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 11:31:06 +0000 Subject: OFF: Famous Dudes (was BOC: BOC in NSA documents) Message-ID: > >> > Hey man, Rick's *alright*! > >> > His daughter was in my son's nursery class. > >> > He's a nice bloke and very 'umble. > >> > He's also available for weddings and bar mitzvahs. > >> > >> Hey Jon, is there anyone you *don't* know? :) > >> > >> The only celebrity in my street is Lorraine Chase ("Luton Airport"). > > > >I've had the pleasure of marking the academic work of the son of soccer > >star Ossie Ardiles (bright lad, too...) :) > > > >Dave > > > > Hey I have met Arthur Brown (the man who had a Crazy World) so I'm > better than all of you. I even took musical therapy with him. > > Chris. To bring this sucker WAYYYY off topic...the only famous person I've ever met, who wasn't in BOC, was Captain Lou Albano of the WWF. You're jealous, I know. -- Nick From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed May 20 11:37:55 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 16:37:55 +0100 Subject: BOC: BOC in NSA documents In-Reply-To: <000201bd83d0$340dd580$8b3f63c3@default> Message-ID: In article <000201bd83d0$340dd580$8b3f63c3 at default>, Andy Gilham writes >Hey Jon, is there anyone you *don't* know? :) > Dave Brock. -- Jon From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed May 20 14:21:58 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 19:21:58 +0100 Subject: HW: Private HAWKWIND gig In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Sat, 16 May 1998 15:15:27 +0200 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Someone who has got very good contact to the band should ask how much money > they need to give small and private gigs for the real HARDCORE fans (in > London of course to make things easy for the band) yeah - I'll certainly contribute towards this. But we are definitly going to have to get costs sorted out. As I recall a very firmly fixed date in Newcastle fell through because the money being offered wasn't enough. It should be done formally perhaps? Through Doug Smith? I admit tho' I don't want to be the person to contact him...... Can't really help with organising - no time. But I could try to contact Landmark Trust for a brochure when I next get a moment available between the mass of everything else that is competing for attention just now. I don't suppose anyone knows of a contact address? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed May 20 21:56:43 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 18:56:43 -0700 Subject: HW/OFF: Dueling Festivals Message-ID: Well if someone's up to organising a trip I'd be game. Zeit Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > On tis 19 maj 1998 17.09 -0400 "Keith Henderson" > wrote: > > So for those Europeans that can get their butts up to Jonkoping, Sweden > on > > August 14-15th, > > Hmmm. I _must_ go to Sweden at some point this summer anyway ... > that might be as good a time as any :) Might be my only chance to see > darXtar! > > Anyone else interested? > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic > St. John's College, University of Cambridge > mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk > http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ -- ======================================================= One is currently shaking ones booty to; MONSTER MAGNET - Negasonic Teenage Warhead (in anticipation of 1/6) MISERY LOVES CO - Happy? ======================================================= E-zine: http://zeitgeist-scot.com/ Personal e-mail: zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com Shortcut to Record Hunter http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/hunter.html RH e-mail: record.hunter at dial.pipex.com ======================================================= From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed May 20 21:54:09 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 18:54:09 -0700 Subject: OFF: ROY HARPER - A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT Message-ID: Roy Harper is one of the twentieth centuries most under valued and under appreciated musicinas. Personal traumas and personal demons have resulted in silence for six long years since "Death Or Glory". Finally, Roy has managed to conjure up an album of new songs which will be released on June 1st. -- ======================================================= One is currently shaking ones booty to; MONSTER MAGNET - Negasonic Teenage Warhead (in anticipation of 1/6) MISERY LOVES CO - Happy? ======================================================= E-zine: http://zeitgeist-scot.com/ Personal e-mail: zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com Shortcut to Record Hunter http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/hunter.html RH e-mail: record.hunter at dial.pipex.com ======================================================= From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed May 20 22:48:41 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 19:48:41 -0700 Subject: HW: Private HAWKWIND gig Message-ID: Here you go. Landmark Trust [The] Shottesbrooke, Maidenhead, Berks, SL6 3SW. Tel: 01628 825925. Fax: 01628 825417. Zeit J Strobridge wrote: > > > Can't really help with organising - no time. But I could try to contact > Landmark Trust for a brochure when I next get a moment available between > the mass of everything else that is competing for attention just now. > I don't suppose anyone knows of a contact address? > > jill > > =========================================================================== > J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ======================================================= One is currently shaking ones booty to; MONSTER MAGNET - Negasonic Teenage Warhead (in anticipation of 1/6) MISERY LOVES CO - Happy? ======================================================= E-zine: http://zeitgeist-scot.com/ Personal e-mail: zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com Shortcut to Record Hunter http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/hunter.html RH e-mail: record.hunter at dial.pipex.com ======================================================= From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed May 20 13:53:41 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 18:53:41 +0100 Subject: OFF: N2O In-Reply-To: <000001bd8364$251a70e0$b03f63c3@default> Message-ID: At 21:24 19/05/98 +0100, you wrote: >> >> Amyl Nitrate (to the tune of BONANZA!, eh Steve?) >> > > >And the Guns of Navarone! > >- Andy > >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > > "Saturday night, under the platic palm trees, dancin' to the rhythms of...." ChrisW "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Wed May 20 18:14:44 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David Greenhalgh) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 23:14:44 +0100 Subject: OFF: ROY HARPER - A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT Message-ID: Stuart Hamilton wrote: > Roy Harper is one of the twentieth centuries most under valued and under appreciated > musicinas. Personal traumas and personal demons have resulted in silence for six long > years since "Death Or Glory". Finally, Roy has managed to conjure up an album of new > songs which will be released on June 1st. > -- That's cheered me up! this album is called...? and more to the point is it going on proper release, or is it going to be another case of patiently explaining things to the "nice" people at the Megastore? Dave From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed May 20 19:36:10 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 23:36:10 +0000 Subject: OFF: ROY HARPER - A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT Message-ID: "Hats off to Roy Harper" -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed May 20 23:53:41 1998 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuckrecs) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 23:53:41 EDT Subject: OFF: Tape Swap Message-ID: In a message dated 98-05-20 07:19:44 EDT, you write: << at I did was put a list of titles in with the tape, with no artist names. So when the recipient posts to say, what's this crap, they can say, the one called "Memphis Psychosis" and not, the one with the Brummie bloke ranting about taking too many pills in the men's room. (Actually I didn't include Mick Farren's "Memphis Psychosis" in the end, but I thought about it! "Oh shit - here comes the monoltih!") As for discussing on- or off-list, whatever, use your judgement... if people do send them on (as I hope they do), then I don't suppose there'll be many secrets left after 2 or 3 goes! >> Wait, a minute. I don't get what's going on about the track listing. Are we supposed to write down the names of the songs (w/out the artists) on a separate sheet of paper and leave the j-card blank? Chuck From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Thu May 21 03:10:55 1998 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 08:10:55 +0100 Subject: OFF:Roy Harper Message-ID: apart from 'Whatever Happened to Jugula ?' (nice cover ), what other albums of Roy's has Jimmy Page played on ? I like WHtJ a lot, and would like to hear more of stuff in the same vein. Neil S. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu May 21 04:01:20 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 09:01:20 +0100 Subject: OFF: N2O In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980520185341.007d2eb0@mail.clara.net> Message-ID: In article <3.0.5.32.19980520185341.007d2eb0 at mail.clara.net>, Chris Warburton writes >"Saturday night, under the platic palm trees, > dancin' to the rhythms of...." "No dry ice or flying pigs, at the Leyton Buzzards gigs! -- Jon From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu May 21 04:15:14 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 09:15:14 +0100 Subject: OFF: Tape Swap In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Wait, a minute. I don't get what's going on about the track > listing. Are we > supposed to write down the names of the songs (w/out the artists) on a > separate sheet of paper and leave the j-card blank? > > Chuck > Oh, whatever - the idea ws to keep the artists' names off in case anyone might be biased against them - "listen without prejudice" as George Michael might say. Whether you write it on a separate sheet, or on the card, or what, isn't important. In fact the track titles themselves aren't *that* important! It's what's on the tape that counts. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu May 21 00:46:43 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 04:46:43 +0000 Subject: OFF: Zilla facts Message-ID: If anyone is still wondering what the new Godzilla looks like, rush to your local Wal-Mart, Kmart, Target or toy store now. Retailers were finally allowed to display the new action figures on the shelves yesterday. To be quite honest, he's really pretty damn cool, although as expected, he's probably more reminiscent of something out of 'Jurassic Park' than the Japanese Godzilla. And actually, his facial features reminded me more of Pumpkinhead than a dinosaur. This week's Time magazine has a nice article on Zilla, talking about his past AND present. No mention of BOC though. The article talks about how producer Dean Devlin and director Roland Emmerich hd to get approval to use the trademark from Toho studios. Toho apparently gave them a 75-page-plus list of directives...such as: Godzilla has four fingers on each hand, three toes on each foot; Godzilla eats fish, not people; Godzilla cannot die; Godzilla cannot be made to look silly; Godzilla does not endorse products; etc. Some of the directives (I don't know which) were broken, but Toho obviously gave them the go-ahead anyway, saying the new Godzilla retained the spirit of their monster. Fun fact: The makers of the new movie had an audio team try to duplicate Godzilla's roar, but they couldn't do it, so the beast's original yell was borrowed from Toho's sound library. Sad fact: Godzilla does not have radioactive breath. The filmmakers felt they were creating an animal, not a monster. Interesting fact: When Steven Spielberg heard that Devlin and Emmerich were remaking Godzilla, he tried to talk them out of it. He called them to say he thought it was a 'silly idea'. If anyone has seen Godzilla already, I'd love to hear what they thought of it. I'll probably be going this weekend if I can get tickets. I'll let you know my impressions. -- Nick From Hawklord57 at AOL.COM Thu May 21 06:39:20 1998 From: Hawklord57 at AOL.COM (Hawklord57) Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 06:39:20 EDT Subject: OFF: Tape Swap Message-ID: I also have a question on this swap. Are we supposed to make a tape of assorted artists? or all one artist. Or possibly, whatever floats our boat. If by chance my assignment was emailed, could it be resent? I haven't seen anything yet on that. Thanks, Duane From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu May 21 06:52:18 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 11:52:18 +0100 Subject: OFF: Tape Swap In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I also have a question on this swap. Are we supposed to make a tape of > assorted artists? or all one artist. Or possibly, whatever floats > our boat. > If by chance my assignment was emailed, could it be resent? I > haven't seen > anything yet on that. > Whatever you want! No limits. But I did say you should have already made your tape by now - so get a move on! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu May 21 12:47:57 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 09:47:57 PDT Subject: OFF: Location??? Message-ID: Is there anyone on BOC-L who lives/works in N.Ireland? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu May 21 20:59:40 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 17:59:40 -0700 Subject: OFF: ROY HARPER - A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT Message-ID: It's a proper release on Science Friction, and the it should be called "Songs Of Love Part 1", although that was a working title. Zeit David Greenhalgh wrote: > > > > -- > > That's cheered me up! this album is called...? and more to the point is it going on > proper release, or is it going to be another case of patiently explaining things to the > "nice" people at the Megastore? > > Dave -- ======================================================= One is currently shaking ones booty to; MONSTER MAGNET - Negasonic Teenage Warhead (in anticipation of 1/6) MISERY LOVES CO - Happy? ======================================================= E-zine: http://zeitgeist-scot.com/ Personal e-mail: zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com Shortcut to Record Hunter http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/hunter.html RH e-mail: record.hunter at dial.pipex.com ======================================================= From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu May 21 21:05:26 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 18:05:26 -0700 Subject: OFF:Roy Harper Message-ID: Depends on who you believe. For contractual reasons Mr P often appeared on Roy's albums in the early 70's but without credit. But he's definitely on "Lifemask", "Flashes From The Archives Of Oblivion" - a live album recorded at the Rainbow - and "Stormcock". And for Zeppelin completists, J P Jones is on "HQ". Zeit Neil Shilladay wrote: > > apart from 'Whatever Happened to Jugula ?' (nice cover ), what other albums of > Roy's has Jimmy Page played on ? > > I like WHtJ a lot, and would like to hear more of stuff in the same vein. > > Neil S. -- ======================================================= One is currently shaking ones booty to; MONSTER MAGNET - Negasonic Teenage Warhead (in anticipation of 1/6) MISERY LOVES CO - Happy? ======================================================= E-zine: http://zeitgeist-scot.com/ Personal e-mail: zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com Shortcut to Record Hunter http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/hunter.html RH e-mail: record.hunter at dial.pipex.com ======================================================= From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu May 21 13:17:58 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 10:17:58 -0700 Subject: BOC: Godzilla Message-ID: >If anyone has seen Godzilla already, I'd love to hear what they thought of it. I'll probably be going this weekend if I can get tickets. I'll let you know my impressions. -- Nick Good luck with the lines. Just heard a movie critic on the radio, on sports talk radio no less, not one kind word for the movie. Called it "One of the dumbest spectalces he had ever witnessed." Ah who listens to movie critics anyway. Ghost in the Ruins OBCD - Frank Marino & Mohagany Rush - Child of the Novelty "Isn't sanity just a one trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking. But when your good and crazy the sky's the limit." -The Tick From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu May 21 14:59:08 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 14:59:08 -0400 Subject: BOC: Is this a good deal, or what?!?! Message-ID: I didn't get any response to my query about where Blue Oyster Cult were going to be playing in Lynchburg this Memorial Day weekend, so I decided to do some investigating myself. I'm glad I did. Turns out that BOC will be playing the 2-day LIVESTOCK '98 free festival at Cattle Annie's, Lynchburg. And it gets better: I was lamenting recently on having narrowly missed out on seeing Govt. Mule when I was near Columbus, OH for some training, lately. Well, friends, Govt. Mule are playing the same festival, on Sunday! Is this a good deal, or what?!?!?! I called Cattle Annie's and discovered that WROV 96.3FM are putting on this festival. Further investigation led me to WROV's WWW site and a band schedule. Bands run from noon to ~11pm, and, from the looks of it, BOC are headlining Saturday and Govt. Mule headlining Sunday. Both bands are slated to go on at 9:15pm on their respective days. The schedule, along with driving directions from Roanoke, are on the WROV WWW site at http://www.96-3rov.com/livedir.htm. I am planning on catching the two headliners, unless I am excessively (and pathologically) unlucky, and am unable to secure the loan of a car. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Govt. Mule, _Dose_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Oh, and lucky you, get to be my saint" --- Govt. Mule From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Thu May 21 14:18:31 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David Greenhalgh) Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 19:18:31 +0100 Subject: HW: Private Gig Message-ID: I reckon there's about UK600 pledged to the idea so far, (less any accidental deletions.) That doesn't sound enough, I put on Roy Harper in the late eighties and HW a little later, Harper cost UK900 plus overheads and HW were up nearer UK2000. Perhaps this idea should opened up to (for example) the 'zine mailing lists ? Or would things start getting out of hand if that happenned? It would be a shame to see such a good idea disappear through lack of money though. Dave From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Thu May 21 14:10:28 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David Greenhalgh) Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 19:10:28 +0100 Subject: OFF: ROY HARPER - A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT Message-ID: Stuart Hamilton wrote: > It's a proper release on Science Friction, and the it should be called > "Songs Of Love Part 1", although that was a working title. > > Zeit Thanks Dave From CWUDDLY at AOL.COM Thu May 21 20:46:24 1998 From: CWUDDLY at AOL.COM (C WUDDLY) Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 20:46:24 EDT Subject: Please forward or send on this page to all your friends Message-ID: "Please forward and send this page to everyone you know to help out this little girl" http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/Tower/3756/ Please Help This Page Get 500,000 hits. Hello and Thank you for taking the time to come to this page. The main reason for this page is it is for a little girl. Her name is Lea. She is ten years old and has a depression disorder. She is always very sad and I thought that a webpage might cheer her up. When I told her about it she asked if a lot of people would go to it. I didn't know what to say. So now I am trying to get at least 500,000 hits to this page in hope that it will make her a little bit happier. I am working on getting her picture scanned and put it on here. For now here is a picture of what she wants to look like when she is older. I also added some animals to make this page a little better. Please send this page to everyone you know. I hope to make the 500,000 mark by September when she goes back to school so she can tell all her friends about it. Please help me reach this goal. Thank you for taking the time to come to this page. It is very much appreciated. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu May 21 23:54:59 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 23:54:59 -0400 Subject: Please forward or send on this page to all your friends In-Reply-To: <55ee8b25.3564cae1@aol.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 May 1998, C WUDDLY wrote: > "Please forward and send this page to everyone you know to help out this > little girl" > > > > http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/Tower/3756/ > > Please Help This Page Get 500,000 hits. If all you want is 500,000 hits, why don't you just turn something like WebJammer loose on the page? (The Network Research Group here at Virginia Tech uses it in their WWW performance work, for replaying log files in compressed time.) It would sure notch up the hit count; it's kind of like a flood ping for WWW sites. >;-) Oh, I see, you want 500,000 users, not hits. (You could say they all went through the same proxy.;) Yeah, I know, such levity is probably inappropriate for such a solemn and weighty topic. So, sue me. :-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Laibach, _Jesus Christ Superstars_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From dahl at AROS.NET Fri May 22 02:01:35 1998 From: dahl at AROS.NET (dahl) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 00:01:35 -0600 Subject: OFF: N2O Message-ID: In my years of toxicology I've only seen one person die from abusing N2O, so I guess it's not that dangerous. Brad Dahl "The party starts now!" Lawrence of Cobble Creek http://www.moosenet.com/poison.html From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri May 22 00:30:00 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 04:30:00 +0000 Subject: Please forward or send on this page to all your friends Message-ID: > "Please forward and send this page to everyone you know to help out this > little girl" > > http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/Tower/3756/ > > Please Help This Page Get 500,000 hits. Not to say I think this is a sham, but it reminds me of a chain e-mail letter I got not too long ago. The guy said there was some kid dying from something at a children's hospital in Pittsburgh, and the hospital agreed to donate so much money for his treatment based on how many people received the chain letter. At the bottom it had a quote, supposedly from the gravely ill kid, saying something to the effect that what comes around goes around, and if I refused to simply send the letter to five or ten friends and 'help' this kid, then somewhere down the line I would get what's coming to me. I replied the sender, saying that I would never help a little brat like that, no matter what was wrong with him, and I hoped he just got sicker because of it. Sounds pretty heartless, but I just do not in any way believe this message was real, and I was quite offended by it. Anyone else ever receive a letter like this? -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri May 22 00:33:24 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 04:33:24 +0000 Subject: BOC: Harvest Moon Message-ID: The music director at my radio station, knowing my fondness for BOC, informed me that Harvest Moon is currently 'new and active' on the rock radio charts. That means that stations are starting to add it to the rotation, but it hasn't made a blip on the charts yet. Actually, I think he gets a new report today. He told me he'd let me know if the tune gets any numbers. I'll pass the info along. -- Nick From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri May 22 04:56:28 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 09:56:28 +0100 Subject: BOC: Dubious accolade Message-ID: I notice that in the June copy of Vox magazine, there's an article about Scot Weiland and the Stone Temple Pilots. For some reason (I didn't read the whole piece), there was a panel about other bands who are "Hugely Popular but Critically Despised". Yup, BOC are in there :-) Note so happy about their peers though. The other bands listed were Spin Doctors, The Cars, Boston, and ... Bush :-P Given the genre of metal, I'd have thought there's far more worthy candidates deserving this mantle, but I guess its advertising and exposure of sorts... Heaven Forbid gets a reasonable review in the latest Q edition too. Tim obCD: Apocalypse Now s/t definitive edition From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri May 22 02:07:31 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 06:07:31 +0000 Subject: BOC: Dubious accolade Message-ID: > I notice that in the June copy of Vox magazine, there's an article about > Scot Weiland and the Stone Temple Pilots. For some reason (I didn't read > the whole piece), there was a panel about other bands who are "Hugely > Popular but Critically Despised". > > Yup, BOC are in there :-) Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. BOC haven't been hugely popular in almost 20 years, and although not all of their stuff gets the most glowing reviews, I've never gotten the impression that they were ever critically despised. In fact, a lot of the negative reviews I've read (including one for Imaginos in 'Creem') weren't really negative at all. The reviewers were generally lamenting the fact that a band that has shown it can do so much more is performing well below par. For the record, I thought the Creem dude who said that about Imaginos was waaaaay off. -- Nick From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri May 22 06:27:28 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 11:27:28 +0100 Subject: Dubious accolade In-Reply-To: <199805220856.JAA28817@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: > I notice that in the June copy of Vox magazine, there's an article about > Scot Weiland and the Stone Temple Pilots. For some reason (I didn't read > the whole piece), there was a panel about other bands who are "Hugely > Popular but Critically Despised". > > Yup, BOC are in there :-) Note so happy about their peers > though. The other > bands listed were Spin Doctors, The Cars, Boston, and ... Bush :-P Wot, no Aqua? :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri May 22 06:45:23 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 11:45:23 +0100 Subject: Please forward or send on this page to all your friends In-Reply-To: Nick English's message of Fri, 22 May 1998 04:30:00 +0000 Message-ID: Nick English writes: > > "Please forward and send this page to everyone you know to help out this > > little girl" > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/Tower/3756/ > > > > Please Help This Page Get 500,000 hits. > > > Not to say I think this is a sham, but it reminds me of a chain > e-mail letter I got not too long ago. The guy said there was some kid > dying from something at a children's hospital in Pittsburgh, and the > hospital agreed to donate so much money for his treatment based on > how many people received the chain letter. At the bottom it had a > quote, supposedly from the gravely ill kid, saying something to the > effect that what comes around goes around, and if I refused to simply > send the letter to five or ten friends and 'help' this kid, then > somewhere down the line I would get what's coming to me. > I replied the sender, saying that I would never help a little brat > like that, no matter what was wrong with him, and I hoped he just got > sicker because of it. Sounds pretty heartless, but I just do not in > any way believe this message was real, and I was quite offended by > it. Anyone else ever receive a letter like this? Then there's the Craig Shergold danger. This was a true story of a kid dying of cancer in Britain. It started with ordinary chain mail asking for business cards to cheer him up. Then the internet took off. Craig is a live and well adult now. His parents however are still receiving three sackfulls of business letters per day despite appeals for this to stop. The Post Office opened a special substation to deal with their mail alone. No matter how often someone points this out on the Net, the message always gets to a newbie who never heard of Craig Shergold and who doesn't read FAQs. Then he send it to ten frineds and they send it to ten friends and before you know it there's another sackful in the post for Mr and Mrs Shergold. We've made it a breach of 'Puting Regs here to send on chain mail, with a possible loss of account. > -- Nick FoFP From C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK Fri May 22 06:45:36 1998 From: C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 11:45:36 +0100 Subject: HW: Private Gig Message-ID: Dave writes: > I reckon there's about UK600 pledged to the idea so far, (less any accidental > deletions.) That doesn't sound enough, I put on Roy Harper in the late > eighties and HW a little later, Harper cost UK900 plus overheads and HW were > up nearer UK2000. Perhaps this idea should opened up to (for example) the > 'zine mailing lists ? Or would things start getting out of hand if that > happenned? It would be a shame to see such a good idea disappear through lack > of money though. I didn't realise we _had_ to express our interest. Gosh, no-one told me there'd be an element of compulsion when I subscribed to BOC-L. Some of us just sits 'n' lurks don't ya know. Well my wife and I would be up for it, the question is how private should a private gig be? Are we talking list subscribers plus close friends - i.e. invitation only? That would surely boost the numbers a little! Firm details would make support more likely but can only happen once there are sufficient expressions of interest. Before spreading the idea too far someone needs to talk to the band: not the management at this stage IMO. No point having the idea squashed by the money men at the first step! Chris Bates From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Fri May 22 07:26:48 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:26:48 +0200 Subject: HW: Private Gig In-Reply-To: <199805221045.LAA20057@teak.shu.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi >Before spreading the idea too far someone needs to talk to the >band: not the management at this stage IMO. I've asked Paul Ward 3 days ago to get in touch with DAVE BROCK I'll keep the BOC-L members informed after we have received an answer from the HAWKLORD If we should get a positive answer we should start to count the money. If the answer should be negative....well, lets forget then this great idea Bernhard From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Fri May 22 07:15:54 1998 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 12:15:54 +0100 Subject: HW: Private Gig In-Reply-To: <199805221045.LAA20057@teak.shu.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 May 1998, Chris Bates wrote: > told me there'd be an element of compulsion when I subscribed > to BOC-L. Some of us just sits 'n' lurks don't ya know. Well my > wife and I would be up for it, And if Chris stops lurking then I too can join in, let me stand up and be counted, I would be happy (nay overjoyed) to pay a goodly amount of money to see HW play. Mike 'count me in' w From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri May 22 07:57:45 1998 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trevor thoms) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 04:57:45 PDT Subject: hw: ICU gig/A. Gilham Message-ID: >>From owner-boc-l at listserv.spc.edu Mon May 18 03:43:39 1998 >Received: from listserv.spc.edu (listserv at listserv.spc.edu [192.107.46.113]) > by listserv.spc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.8/SPC-2.2-NORELAY) with ESMTP id GAA01834; > Mon, 18 May 1998 06:37:39 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from LISTSERV.SPC.EDU by LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release > 1.8b) with spool id 135885 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Mon, 18 May > 1998 06:37:38 -0400 >Received: from mailgate.spc.edu (root at mailgate.spc.edu [192.107.46.158]) by > listserv.spc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.8/SPC-2.2-NORELAY) with ESMTP id GAA01827 > for ; Mon, 18 May 1998 06:37:36 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com (cerium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93] > (may be forged)) by mailgate.spc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/SPC-3.0-NORELAY) > with SMTP id GAA20303 for ; Mon, 18 May 1998 > 06:37:33 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from default [195.99.63.157] by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp > (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0ybNHm-0006PI-00; Mon, 18 May 1998 11:36:51 +0100 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Priority: 3 (Normal) >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 >Importance: Normal >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 >Message-ID: <000201bd8248$8e779620$9a3f63c3 at default> >Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:34:37 +0100 >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >From: Andy Gilham >Subject: Re: hw: ICU gig >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >In-Reply-To: > >> Is there more info anywhere of when they'er playing? Thursday is out for >> me, but Saturday is possible, so I'm interested. According to the Guardian >> Nik is playing with this 'hard prog rock' outfit, is this true? > >This is what Trev already posted: > > >21 May The Royal Standard > 1 Blackhorse Rd > E17 >support: Excathedra, Anoraks, Bushweael > > >23rd May Goldsmith's Tavern > New Cross, London >support: Disturbed > >24 May Blandford Fest >with Nik Turners All Stars, Ruby Throat > >29 May The Albert > Trafalgar St > Brighton > > >29 July-2 Aug Big Green Gathering > >- Andy > >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Fri May 22 07:59:32 1998 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trevor thoms) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 04:59:32 PDT Subject: hw: ICU gig/A. Gilham Message-ID: >>From owner-boc-l at listserv.spc.edu Mon May 18 03:43:39 1998 >Received: from listserv.spc.edu (listserv at listserv.spc.edu [192.107.46.113]) > by listserv.spc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.8/SPC-2.2-NORELAY) with ESMTP id GAA01834; > Mon, 18 May 1998 06:37:39 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from LISTSERV.SPC.EDU by LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release > 1.8b) with spool id 135885 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Mon, 18 May > 1998 06:37:38 -0400 >Received: from mailgate.spc.edu (root at mailgate.spc.edu [192.107.46.158]) by > listserv.spc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.8/SPC-2.2-NORELAY) with ESMTP id GAA01827 > for ; Mon, 18 May 1998 06:37:36 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com (cerium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93] > (may be forged)) by mailgate.spc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/SPC-3.0-NORELAY) > with SMTP id GAA20303 for ; Mon, 18 May 1998 > 06:37:33 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from default [195.99.63.157] by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp > (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0ybNHm-0006PI-00; Mon, 18 May 1998 11:36:51 +0100 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Priority: 3 (Normal) >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 >Importance: Normal >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 >Message-ID: <000201bd8248$8e779620$9a3f63c3 at default> >Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:34:37 +0100 >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >From: Andy Gilham >Subject: Re: hw: ICU gig >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >In-Reply-To: > >> Is there more info anywhere of when they'er playing? Thursday is out for >> me, but Saturday is possible, so I'm interested. According to the Guardian >> Nik is playing with this 'hard prog rock' outfit, is this true? > >This is what Trev already posted: > > >21 May The Royal Standard > 1 Blackhorse Rd > E17 >support: Excathedra, Anoraks, Bushweael > > >23rd May Goldsmith's Tavern > New Cross, London >support: Disturbed > >24 May Blandford Fest >with Nik Turners All Stars, Ruby Throat > >29 May The Albert > Trafalgar St > Brighton > > >29 July-2 Aug Big Green Gathering > >- Andy > >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > Thanks for sending out those dates again Andy! Cheers Lori xx ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri May 22 08:16:46 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:16:46 +0100 Subject: hw: ICU gig/A. Gilham In-Reply-To: <19980522115934.7164.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > > Thanks for sending out those dates again Andy! > > Cheers > Lori xx > I'll even try and make it to the New Cross gig! :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mark.bain at VF.VODAFONE.CO.UK Fri May 22 08:44:18 1998 From: mark.bain at VF.VODAFONE.CO.UK (Mark Bain) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:44:18 +0100 Subject: HW: Private Gig In-Reply-To: <199805221045.LAA20057@teak.shu.ac.uk> Message-ID: Chris writes: > I didn't realise we _had_ to express our interest. >Some of us just sits 'n' lurks don't ya know. Ditto. I'm afraid that I'm not an email back "ME TOO!!" kind of person (is that a definition of British?), but if that's what's needed then:- ME TOO!! Mark (aka Basher,aka Biggles) Bain From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Fri May 22 10:23:22 1998 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 09:23:22 -0500 Subject: Private Gig Message-ID: Although my attendance of a UK gig would be extremely remote count me in for $20. I have often thought of the ultimate HAW show and it would include the people on this list. I really think you guys will pull it off! I would be great if it were a New Year's Eve thing, "the year is 1999....". On a related issue, you know Jim Lasco is basically doing the same over here with Strange Daze 98. In order for it happen he needs ticket sales. They go on sale June 1st, its important to get them early. Its a one time shot this time folks, as I don't think there will be any other US gigs this year. I had a great time last year and would guess that everyone that attended last years festival will be back if possible. Anyone from across the pond coming this year? Send ticket orders to (check or M.O.'s made out to): STRANGE TRIPS 4485 W.130 CLEVELAND, OHIO 44135 OBHWquote: Limits of the infinite Have never been defined A spirit lies in atrophy In a state to late to unwind -- Doug Bates voice:(205) 934-9087 fax:(205) 975-7129 mailto:dbates at uab.edu > -----Original Message----- > From: David Greenhalgh [SMTP:d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET] > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 1998 1:19 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: HW: Private Gig > > It would be a shame to see such a good idea disappear through lack > of money though. > > From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri May 22 10:41:15 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 15:41:15 +0100 Subject: Private Gig In-Reply-To: Doug Bates's message of Fri, 22 May 1998 09:23:22 -0500 Message-ID: Doug Bates writes: > Although my attendance of a UK gig would be extremely remote > count me in for $20. I have often thought of the ultimate HAW > show and it would include the people on this list. I really think > you guys will pull it off! I would be great if it were a New Year's > Eve thing, "the year is 1999....". > > On a related issue, you know Jim Lasco is basically doing the > same over here with Strange Daze 98. In order for it happen he > needs ticket sales. They go on sale June 1st, its important to > get them early. Its a one time shot this time folks, as I don't > think there will be any other US gigs this year. > > I had a great time last year and would guess that everyone > that attended last years festival will be back if possible. > Anyone from across the pond coming this year? When is it? I could just about do it if I could meet up with someone at that end at some airport (New York? Philly?) and take it from there. FoFP From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Fri May 22 11:23:22 1998 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 10:23:22 -0500 Subject: Private Gig Message-ID: Strange Daze 98 is August 13-16 in Ohio so if you (or anybody) were to fly into Cleveland you'd be a couple hours from the Festival. It would then be a matter of getting a lift both ways, I think there are several list members from the area that may help. I would be willing to let several people camp with me, I have a six person tent with two occupants so far. I may be able to help with transport back and forth from Cleveland also. For more info and a list of the bands go to: http://www.now-online.com/jmfinity/ -- Doug Bates voice:(205) 934-9087 fax:(205) 975-7129 mailto:dbates at uab.edu > When is it? I could just about do it if I could meet up with someone at > that end at some airport (New York? Philly?) and take it from there. > > FoFP From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri May 22 12:32:00 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 17:32:00 +0100 Subject: Please forward or send on this page to all your friends In-Reply-To: C WUDDLY's message of Thu, 21 May 1998 20:46:24 EDT Message-ID: C WUDDLY writes: ^^^^^^^^^ that's the first stirrings of doubt > scanned and put it on here. For now here is a picture of what she wants to > look like when she is older. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ and that's the next. I've got fair idea already of what this web page contains and I doubt it's a depressed little girl! But maybe I'm just getting a tad over cynical in my old age sigh jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri May 22 13:06:56 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 18:06:56 +0100 Subject: Please forward or send on this page to all your friends In-Reply-To: <199805221632.RAA15272@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <199805221632.RAA15272 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, J Strobridge writes >C WUDDLY writes: >^^^^^^^^^ > >that's the first stirrings of doubt > >> scanned and put it on here. For now here is a picture of what she wants to >> look like when she is older. The page is just the letter again, the picture is Disney's "Beauty" from "Beauty and The Beast" > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >and that's the next. I've got fair idea already of what this web page >contains and I doubt it's a depressed little girl! Naw, it is. > >But maybe I'm just getting a tad over cynical in my old age We all are. In every cynic beats the heart of a failed romantic. It is genuine. And they've only had 115,000 hits too. there's nothing there you haven't read already. Go on, be a devil, just this once. poor little mite. -- Jon From adawson at CLARA.NET Fri May 22 13:20:44 1998 From: adawson at CLARA.NET (Andrew Dawson) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 18:20:44 +0100 Subject: Please forward or send on this page to all your friends In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 18:06 22/05/98 +0100, you wrote: > >We all are. In every cynic beats the heart of a failed romantic. >It is genuine. And they've only had 115,000 hits too. >there's nothing there you haven't read already. >Go on, be a devil, just this once. >poor little mite. >-- >Jon > O.k just been and had a look. Funny thing is the hit counts gone down to 110426. Now where have I seen that animated dog ?. Andy Andrew Dawson adawson at clara.net Into Hawkwind ? Then check out the Worldwide discography. http://home.clara.net/adawson From mumford at ONLINE.NO Fri May 22 13:16:52 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 19:16:52 +0200 Subject: HW: Electric Library renovation Message-ID: This site is now part of the much larger sideshow scheme of individual bits and pieces being gradually connected, as originally planned - and HW were way ahead of the game :) A couple of new graphics and generally a cosmetic makeover can be found at http://home.eunet.no/~christmu/hawkwind.html with access to seedier things from there. Chr. "Who am I? Where am I going? With no time to spare as a man rowing upon a shoreless lake. Never slowing the pace, but never spying land. I am as most people, I suppose - lost, not knowing why." - David McCallum "No, I am a bowl of soup." - Edmund Blackadder From mumford at ONLINE.NO Fri May 22 13:25:15 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 19:25:15 +0200 Subject: Please forward or send on this page to all your friends Message-ID: > > We all are. In every cynic beats the heart of a failed romantic. > It is genuine. And they've only had 115,000 hits too. > there's nothing there you haven't read already. > Go on, be a devil, just this once. > poor little mite. > -- > Jon Words of the wise, its a sweet little page. failed romantic, Chr. "Who am I? Where am I going? With no time to spare as a man rowing upon a shoreless lake. Never slowing the pace, but never spying land. I am as most people, I suppose - lost, not knowing why." - David McCallum "No, I am a bowl of soup." - Edmund Blackadder From kg at THING.DE Fri May 22 13:37:35 1998 From: kg at THING.DE (stalker) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 19:37:35 +0200 Subject: Calvert / HW: TEN SECONDS OF FOREVER - java-animated-sound-version Message-ID: hi all, after a long period of silence due to work on another project there's finally something new to see + hear on the Calvert site / spirit of the p/age: an illustrated 10 pages (of course...) version of 'TEN SECONDS OF FOREVER' - it contains some lavish (?) graphics, animated texts (java applets) and soundfiles - one of the original version (what a surprise...) and another version recorded during a gig of The Moor, Nik Turner and yours truly - those come in real audio as usual. bring some patience - it's worth it - and once the applet(s) are loaded they don't need reloading on every page - once you're behind the first (10th) second they run automatically... enter the Ten Seconds at: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/ts/tsentry.htm (and do make sure to set your monitor to 800x600 resolution or it'll all look scrambled) - and if your cache can take it, these pages can also run as a kind of screen-saver deluxe - they rotate / reload automatically... there's also a new text on Calvert (+ HW) - well, sort of - an amusing page anyway, including a nice cartoon - this came from James Cawthorn, who also did some (graphics + design) work for Hawkwind and I believe for M. Moorcock too. to be found at: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/calon.htm (then scroll down the menu...) hope you'll enjoy the trip. kg From mordru at GEKKO.NET Fri May 22 13:43:15 1998 From: mordru at GEKKO.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:43:15 -0400 Subject: Please forward or send on this page to all your friends Message-ID: >We all are. In every cynic beats the heart of a failed romantic. >It is genuine. And they've only had 115,000 hits too. >there's nothing there you haven't read already. >Go on, be a devil, just this once. I'm sorry, I can't support anything that tells people to forward it to everyone they know. If it is genuine, then all the hoaxes from before have ruined it for her, oh well. I used to like hitchhiking too, but people have ruined that as well. +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at gekko.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri May 22 14:17:26 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 14:17:26 -0400 Subject: Private Gig/SD '98 Message-ID: Doug said... >Strange Daze 98 is August 13-16 in Ohio so if you (or anybody) >were to fly into Cleveland you'd be a couple hours from the Festival. Well, it's really the 14th-16th, as I don't think the campground is supposed to be ours for Thursday night, unless I'm mistaken. Also, it shouldn't take more than an hour to drive to Nelson Ledges from Cleveland, unless you get lost or putter along so as to enjoy the sights and smells (it's in the heart of Amish country). :) Or if you're coming from the western suburbs. >It would then be a matter of getting a lift both ways, I think there >are several list members from the area that may help. I would be >willing to let several people camp with me, I have a six person >tent with two occupants so far. I may be able to help with transport >back and forth from Cleveland also. If people get into a real pinch, I might be able to help some. I'm in Columbus (about 2.5 - 3 hours away), so I doubt if anyone will choose to fly into here (although I hear it's comparatively cheap to fly in and out of Columbus, so perhaps those wanting to reduce airfare could come here, and carpool with me/us. Jerry Kranitz and the quarkspace fellows are here also, of course, so there may be a small caravan of sorts.) On the subject of tents...again, if someone's in a real pinch, let me know, and I could possibly help out. I only have my own personal two-man, but I happen to work in a research group where tents are essential items, and lots of them! They're very high quality mountaineering tents, but they are also often damaged significantly by high winds, crampons, ice axes, vomiting, etc. So, in fact, we have a few that have seen their better days, and I don't think my advisor would mind much if I'd 'borrow' them for a weekend. Plus, he might be in Peru at the time (with the better ones no doubt), so I could then sneak away with them unbeknownst. Just note that they tend to 'smell' a bit...you don't notice the smell while on the ice since it's so damn cold, but in a warm, humid environment, they're a bit odoriferous, esp. the vomitoriums. :) On another note...I've decided to undertake my own personal effort to advertise SD'98 as much as I possibly can. Especially now since it's moved so close to my backyard. I've just started to look into what it might cost to put ads in various publications (the Ohio State newspaper, local free entertainment guides, e.g., The Other Paper here, and Scene Magazine in Cleveland), but am waiting for responses before I decide whether I want to forget that avenue, foot the bill myself, or ask Jim for some of it (or perhaps a free ticket as compensation). Anyway, I've almost finished making up an advert, based on the *.jpg on Jim's page. His is very nice, but is in colour and too complicated to reduce and come out nice in B&W. So, I created my own using the same information, but with simpler graphics. I think it's pretty decent. So even if I decide it's too expensive to fund my own small print ad campaign, I'm definitely going to make up a slew of flyers to post around town, in record shops, etc. And then send them out to radio stations and anywhere else I can think of. I'll do this in person here in Columbus, and perhaps in Pittsburgh as well (since my brother lives there, and I go there quite often). But if anyone in Cleveland wants to help out, I'd gladly send you the flyers (or e-mail you the graphic) for you to put them up. (Suggested places would be...My Generation, Digital Daze (still there?), Time Traveller, Chris' Warped Records, venues like Peabody's, Agora, Odeon, other places in the flats). Also, anyone in Detroit, Buffalo, Youngstown, Akron, Erie, Canton-Massillon here??? Same goes for those places. You may send me personal e-mail (Henderson.120 at osu.edu) if you'd like to help, and/or get a copy of my ad. Just let me know what city you're in, as I have a travel time listed for different cities, and will need to know which one to send. You'll also have to tell me what sort of image file you'd like. I created it in (PC) Corel Draw, but could make a *.gif, *.eps, etc. from it. Keith H. (FAA) From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat May 23 13:37:09 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 10:37:09 -0700 Subject: OFF: ROY HARPER - A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT Message-ID: My final word on Mr Harpers new album. It's final title is "thedreamsociety" and you can read all about it at; http://www.steamradio.com/stormcock/wereview.htm Zeit David Greenhalgh wrote: > > Stuart Hamilton wrote: > > > It's a proper release on Science Friction, and the it should be called > > "Songs Of Love Part 1", although that was a working title. > > > > Zeit > > Thanks > > Dave -- ======================================================= One is currently shaking ones booty to; MONSTER MAGNET - Negasonic Teenage Warhead (in anticipation of 1/6) MISERY LOVES CO - Happy? ======================================================= E-zine: http://zeitgeist-scot.com/ Personal e-mail: zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com Shortcut to Record Hunter http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/hunter.html RH e-mail: record.hunter at dial.pipex.com ======================================================= From mumford at ONLINE.NO Sat May 23 07:24:45 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 13:24:45 +0200 Subject: HW: Electric Library cock up! Message-ID: I've no ide what might have happened, but checking it today it was a mess - nothing new, broken links etc. etc., all my latest additions had vanished! So try again at http://home.eunet.no/hawkwind.html or http://home.eunet.no/pulp and please report anything that looks weird to me! Chr. "Who am I? Where am I going? With no time to spare as a man rowing upon a shoreless lake. Never slowing the pace, but never spying land. I am as most people, I suppose - lost, not knowing why." - David McCallum "No, I am a bowl of soup." - Edmund Blackadder From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat May 23 02:43:26 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 07:43:26 +0100 Subject: HW: Electric Library renovation In-Reply-To: <199805221727.TAA03317@online.no> Message-ID: In article <199805221727.TAA03317 at online.no>, Christian000Mumford writes >This site is now part of the much larger sideshow scheme of individual bits >and pieces being gradually connected, as originally planned - and HW were >way ahead of the game :) A couple of new graphics and generally a cosmetic >makeover can be found at http://home.eunet.no/~christmu/hawkwind.html with >access to seedier things from there. > >Chr. > Good stuff, Chris. like the gif esp. One tiny ultra picky anal retentive factoid. Unknown Worlds Of Science Fiction was published by Marvel not Charlton. The "C" on the cover stand for "Curtis", their B & W magazine imprint. Please kill me. -- Jon ObCd Space Pills - The Orb boot featuring KLF/Coldcut jams From mumford at ONLINE.NO Sat May 23 07:43:31 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 13:43:31 +0200 Subject: HW: Electric Library cock up Part II! Message-ID: The actual URL was messed up in my last mail - > here its fixed.... what a mess! > I've no ide what might have happened, but checking it today it was a mess - > nothing new, broken links etc. etc., all my latest additions had vanished! > So try again at http://home.eunet.no/~christmu/hawkwind.html or > http://home.eunet.no/~christmu/pulp and please report anything that looks weird to > me! > > Chr. > "Who am I? Where am I going? With no time to spare as a man rowing upon a shoreless lake. Never slowing the pace, but never spying land. I am as most people, I suppose - lost, not knowing why." - David McCallum "No, I am a bowl of soup." - Edmund Blackadder From mumford at ONLINE.NO Sat May 23 07:48:11 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 13:48:11 +0200 Subject: HW: Electric Library renovation Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > > > Good stuff, Chris. like the gif esp. which gif? which gif?? > One tiny ultra picky anal retentive factoid. > > Unknown Worlds Of Science Fiction was published by Marvel not Charlton. > The "C" on the cover stand for "Curtis", their B & W magazine imprint. What!??! !! Let me check that, make that double check that! Argh! > Please kill me. I have the same power Darth Vader has but it doesen't work long distance - YET! Chr. "Who am I? Where am I going? With no time to spare as a man rowing upon a shoreless lake. Never slowing the pace, but never spying land. I am as most people, I suppose - lost, not knowing why." - David McCallum "No, I am a bowl of soup." - Edmund Blackadder From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat May 23 09:05:06 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 14:05:06 +0100 Subject: HW: Electric Library renovation In-Reply-To: <199805231153.NAA22537@online.no> Message-ID: In article <199805231153.NAA22537 at online.no>, Christian000Mumford writes >Jon Browne writes: > >which gif? which gif?? the rotating HW logo. > > >> One tiny ultra picky anal retentive factoid. >> >> Unknown Worlds Of Science Fiction was published by Marvel not Charlton. >> The "C" on the cover stand for "Curtis", their B & W magazine imprint. > >What!??! !! Let me check that, make that double check that! Argh! You'll find I'm right. But it's my problem, not yours. :) -- Jon Browne From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat May 23 09:10:03 1998 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 23:10:03 +1000 Subject: HW: Private Gig Message-ID: On 22 May 98, at 13:26, Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > I've asked Paul Ward 3 days ago to get in touch with DAVE BROCK No answer from Dave yet .... I'll be calling him tomorrow so stay tuned Soniqu? From mumford at ONLINE.NO Sat May 23 09:49:30 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 15:49:30 +0200 Subject: HW: Electric Library renovation Message-ID: > You'll find I'm right. > > But it's my problem, not yours. :) > Well, I put a Moorcock comics index up there now - just to give you some problems! :) :) (The HW logo is in a cursive Iron Maiden font BTW :) > -- > Jon Browne Chr. "Who am I? Where am I going? With no time to spare as a man rowing upon a shoreless lake. Never slowing the pace, but never spying land. I am as most people, I suppose - lost, not knowing why." - David McCallum "No, I am a bowl of soup." - Edmund Blackadder From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat May 23 10:08:07 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 15:08:07 +0100 Subject: HW: Electric Library renovation In-Reply-To: <199805231355.PAA23897@online.no> Message-ID: In article <199805231355.PAA23897 at online.no>, Christian000Mumford writes >Well, I put a Moorcock comics index up there now - just to give you some >problems! :) :) Would you feel insulted if I didn't look right now? I'm busy doing "Apollo Smile" websearches. :) :) :) -- Jon From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat May 23 12:42:48 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 16:42:48 +0000 Subject: BOC: Is this a good deal, or what?!?! Message-ID: On tor 21 maj 1998 14.59 -0400 "Paul Mather" wrote: > Turns out that BOC > will be playing the 2-day LIVESTOCK '98 free festival at Cattle Annie's, > Lynchburg. And it gets better: I was lamenting recently on having > narrowly missed out on seeing Govt. Mule when I was near Columbus, OH > for some training, lately. Well, friends, Govt. Mule are playing the > same festival, on Sunday! > Is this a good deal, or what?!?!?! Bastard :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat May 23 12:47:54 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 16:47:54 +0000 Subject: HW/OFF: Dueling Festivals Message-ID: On ons 20 maj 1998 18.56 -0700 "Stuart Hamilton" wrote: > Well if someone's up to organising a trip I'd be game. Well, most of my time in Scandinavia will need to be devoted to work--so my scheduling will probably be different to tht of most people--but I figure as I have to go anyway, I may as well catch a gig :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From mumford at ONLINE.NO Sat May 23 14:09:13 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 20:09:13 +0200 Subject: HW: Electric Library renovation Message-ID: > I'm busy doing "Apollo Smile" websearches. :) :) :) > -- > Jon That altered my perception. Chr. "Who am I? Where am I going? With no time to spare as a man rowing upon a shoreless lake. Never slowing the pace, but never spying land. I am as most people, I suppose - lost, not knowing why." - David McCallum "No, I am a bowl of soup." - Edmund Blackadder From mike at PHOENIXPHOTO.COM Sat May 23 16:17:55 1998 From: mike at PHOENIXPHOTO.COM (Mike Stanton) Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 16:17:55 -0400 Subject: BOC: May 23rd show Message-ID: Here is the set list for last nights show at the Georgia International Horse Park. Set List for 5.22.98 At the Georgia International Horse Park BURNING FOR YOU CITIES ON FLAME EXTRA TERRESTRIAL INTELLIGENCE HARVEST MOON BUCKS BOOGIE THE VIGIL LIVE FOR ME FLAMING TELEPATHS SEE YOU IN BLACK LAST DAYS OF MAY GODZILLA DON?T FEAR THE REAPER encore DOMINANCE AND SUBMISSION The show was only $5 to get in and there was no warm up act. The show had ZERO advertisement so only 100-150 people were there. The band did not seem to happy at seeing such a small trunout and told the crowd that they were going to make it a "Private BOC Party". During the first two songs the bad seemed to just be GOIN' THROUGH THE MOTIONS (pun intended). They really started to heat up during E.T.I. and caught fire durning Bucks Boggie. They stayed on fire through The Last Days of May and went back to GOIN' THROUGH THE MOTIONS for the last two songs of the set. The encore rocked! The folks that stayed got up near the stage and the band and audience started to get into a groove. The whole night no one was allowed near the stage so when we did get there it just started to feel right, but they did not come out for another encore or play another song. So if I were to rate the show on a scale of 1-10 I would have to say it was a 6.5. The encore hurt the score as did the number of problems they had with keyboard going out, Eric's guitar dropping out from time to time along with his mic. But on the plus side it only cost $5 and it was a good way to fill a friday night. They did have some t-shirts on sale along with a baseball hat. Both were $20, not bad for each, but for $40 for both was too much. I would have liked to see a deal like, $30 or $35 for both and I would have gone for the t-shirt and the hat. I ended up with just the hat which is black and has the BOC symbol on the front with "Blue Oyster Cult" above it. On the back there is BOC in script and (25) under that. I guess for the 25 years they have been together. Another plus was the before and after show music. They played some Frank Zappa. I thought it was funny hearing "Bobby Brown", "Jewish Princess" and "Titties and Beer" cranked up in Conyers GA. This is the same town where this lady sees a vision of the Virgin Mary each 13th of the month. But I guess thats just my twisted sense of humor. I hope they come back to Atlanta and not let the low turnout kee been more folks there. But when they do I hope this time it is in a hall or club. The last four times they have come near Atlanta they have been outdoors and always seem to have some problems with the equipment. Mike Stanton From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Sun May 24 09:56:16 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (SPRAWL) Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 09:56:16 -0400 Subject: HW: Private Gig Message-ID: hi, i could be wrong here, but from the hawkwind run Uk site, it looks to me like jerry richards might be the one to talk to. unless i dreamed it (totally possible,) it stated on there that jerry is now the management, or at least the rod manager. rj Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > > Hi > > >Before spreading the idea too far someone needs to talk to the > >band: not the management at this stage IMO. > > I've asked Paul Ward 3 days ago to get in touch with DAVE BROCK > > I'll keep the BOC-L members informed after we have received an answer from > the HAWKLORD > > If we should get a positive answer we should start to count the money. > If the answer should be negative....well, lets forget then this great idea > > Bernhard From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Sun May 24 10:02:53 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (SPRAWL) Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 10:02:53 -0400 Subject: HW: Private Gig Message-ID: SPRAWL wrote: > now the management, or at least the rod manager. > rj > ahem.. _Road_ rj From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sun May 24 14:01:35 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 14:01:35 -0400 Subject: BOC: Lynchburg, VA, May 23rd, 1998 (long) Message-ID: Let me start this by saying that I may be one of a select few who have been privy to witnessing a 90's BOC set that *didn't* include _The Reaper_. (And they said it couldn't be done.:) I don't think this was intentional, though. Blue Oyster Cult at LIVESTOCK '98, Cattle Annie's, Lynchburg, VA was a great show, even though it sucked big time. The BOC part was great. Really. They played so tight it was scary! The part that really sucked big time was the fact that the "organisers" cut the power on them, forcing them to play a truncated set. Add into that, for good measure, some early sound problems (like no vocals in the mix, and Buck's guitar mixed too low), and you have a gig that, on paper, blew chunks. Still, I thought it was great. Let me preface this by saying this was my first BOC gig. I'm British, and so, like many of our European and Australian friends, never really expected to get to see BOC live in my lifetime, due to their highly sporadic touring schedule. So, when I heard they were playing "near" me, 100 miles away in Lynchburg, I got really pumped at the prospect of seeing them, at last. On the way down, I refined the mood by listening to _Heaven Forbid_ and _Secret Treaties_ in the car. (I was surprised, actually, by how much _Heaven Forbid_ has grown on me.) After some confusion finding the shuttle parking, I got to Cattle Annie's a couple of minutes before they started miking up. There was quite a sizeable crowd for the venue, which took place in the car park out front. (I'm terrible at estimating these things, but I'd say several hundred people at least; the "festival area" was full, at any rate.) They had a two-stage setup, so that one band could be playing whilst the other was setting up. I made my way right to front and centre of where BOC were setting up, and waited patiently. There was a small handful of people with BOC shirts on. I wore my NetHawks t-shirt, though didn't spot anyone else wearing one. BOC were slated to go on at 9:15pm, but I'd say they didn't get started until maybe 9:40pm or so. When they did finally get started, it was a highly inauspicious start, technically, since there were no vocals in the mix! The crowd didn't seem to mind too much, as they filled in for them, with everyone singing along with gusto. The "complete" setlist that night was: BURNING FOR YOU CITIES ON FLAME E.T.I. HARVEST MOON BUCK'S BOOGIE LIVE FOR ME FLAMING TELEPATHS SEE YOU IN BLACK GODZILLA (No encore.) The vocals were pretty much absent from the mix through the first three songs, but getting better all the time. Eric mentioned "getting some technical difficulties sorted out" between songs, and seemed to be puzzled since the vocal mics were loud and clear when he was using them between numbers. There were also problems with Buck's guitar being audible enough in the mix, but that situation, too, improved fairly quickly as time went on. By "Harvest Moon" the vocals had been sorted out (inasmuch as they were about as intelligible as on album:). Eric introduced "Harvest Moon" as from their new album, which got a big crowd reaction, adding that with the song they "seem to have a little hit on our hands." Both the old and the new songs went over very well. "Buck's Boogie" really ripped, and everyone on stage seemed to be really getting into it. Allen, in particular, was very animated, which made it hard for me to believe all these allegations of him appearing to have one foot in the grave. :-) He looked quite healthy to me, and was even smiling most of the time. (Sign of the apocalypse?;) Allen played mostly guitar through the set (notable exceptions being "Buck's Boogie" and "Flaming Telepaths"), with Eric occasionally bashing away on the keys. (And I do mean bashing.) Part-way through, Eric mentioned to the crowd that the folks running this thing said they could only play so long, but that they were just going to keep playing for as long as they could. (Big crowd reaction.) "Flaming Telepaths" got a huge cheer from the crowd, and went over really well (especially the strobe part during "the joke's on you..." part). They followed this up with "See You In Black," which was even heavier than on the album, if that is possible. Eric turned in a great vocal performance, too. There was some on-stage discussion between band members after "See You In Black." From the looks of it, it didn't bode well. Eric then began, "some of you may have heard there's a new movie out right now," and the crowd went wild, knowing what was coming. He then made mention of the fact that a certain song was absent from it, which he couldn't understand, since everyone knew there was only one big green guy from Tokyo; I couldn't really catch what he was saying since someone near me kept yelling "Hot Rails To Hell" at inhuman volume levels. Anyway, the crowd really went ape when the band kicked into "Godzilla." As per usual, "Godzilla" featured both a bass and drum solo. However, unlike normal, someone cut the stage lights at the start of Bobby's drum solo. Ever the professionals, though, the band returned to the stage at its end and finished off the song. Eric had a little torch, which he waved about, and shone on himself. I guess they never expected the plug to be pulled. Eric told the audience that they couldn't play without power, and that if we wanted more music, someone had better get whoever was running this thing to turn the power back on. He looked rather frustrated. The band came down, waved to the crowd, and left the stage. I don't think the crowd took the power thing seriously, maybe assuming it was just a link to an encore, but it wasn't. Folks started shouting "BOC", and then there was lots of shouting of "REAPER!" (proving that, yes, people would miss it were it removed from the setlist:). I could see there was a little commotion backstage, with people waving their arms about. When, eventually, roadies came out and started unplugging and putting away the mics, people realised BOC weren't coming back on, and the crowd started to get a little riled. There was lots of chanting of "BULLSHIT", with some sporadic "LIVESTOCK SUCKS!", and a couple of (plastic) beer cups were seen flying towards the stage. The roadies were clearly pissed at the situation, telling those of us at the front that this was out of their control, and that the band couldn't play without power; that it was the "organisers" to blame. As more mics and equipment was put away, folks in the crowd realised that was it, and the audience started to dissipate. I asked a security guy at the front why the power was pulled, and he said there was a local ordinance which made it illegal to play loud music outdoors after 11pm. (Maybe Jerry Falwell doesn't like to be kept up at nights?;) I pointed out to him that it wasn't even 11pm yet (it was about 10:40pm or so), and he just shrugged. I was going to mention something about piss-ups and breweries, but decided not, since he seemed to be as much out of the loop as the rest of us. A little stunned by the abrupt, and somewhat arbitrary finish, I wandered around a little. I saw some fans getting autographs and talking to Bobby Rondinelli near the stage; he looked rather pissed by the incident. And so it was that I bid my farewells for the evening to Cattle Annie's, and jumped a shuttle bus back to the parking, and began the nocturnal drive home---accompanied by BOC on the car stereo. I guess Discordia was working overtime on her high holy day, what with all the technical and sound problems, and that power cut. However, despite all that, I really enjoyed myself. BOC put on a great show, and I wouldn't hesitate to go see them again. Catch them if they play near you. I doubt your gig could have worse problems than this one. ;-) I'm heading back there this evening to see Govt. Mule headline the second day of LIVESTOCK '98. I just hope to hell they don't pull the same stunt as they did with BOC! BTW, LIVESTOCK is put on by WROV 96.3FM. They have a WWW site, with a "favorite bands / comments" form through which you can submit feedback. Their WWW site is at http://www.96-3rov.com/. If folks felt like saying what they thought about the idea of pulling the power on BOC, seems like that might be a good place to do it. (The WWW form submits the data to wrov963 at bellatlantic.net, so folks could e-mail there instead, I suppose.) Oh, one last question: when did Buck shave off his 'tache?? (Just kidding!) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Blue Oyster Cult, _Heaven Forbid_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Sun May 24 16:21:49 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (SPRAWL) Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 16:21:49 -0400 Subject: OFF: Sundial 4 Sale Message-ID: Hi, I found a copy of Other Way Out on UK Ufo label. I saw in a previous thread where someone here was looking for this, so i grabbed it for ten dollars. If anyone wants it, i figure $10 plus postage and it's yours. If not, no biggie. I can get rid of it locally, as I already have it. rj From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Sun May 24 16:31:21 1998 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 20:31:21 GMT Subject: ICU: So, did anyone go to the London gigs? Message-ID: Well, I was otherwise engaged, but I`d love to know if anyone went to tRevs London gigs and what they thought of them.. -Steve -www.doremi.co.uk From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon May 25 12:46:13 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 09:46:13 PDT Subject: OFF: Godzilla Message-ID: I have just discovered Godzilla e-cards. Some are not so good, some are pretty top. www.greetst.com They're free so don't nobody be shoutin' at me for advertising. This is Monday - where is everyone???? No posting since Saturday! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon May 25 14:20:33 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 14:20:33 -0400 Subject: OFF: Godzilla/Holiday Message-ID: HW (*not* Hawkwind) asked... >This is Monday - where is everyone???? No posting since Saturday! Well, if you're from outside the United States, perhaps you don't know that it's Memorial Day here, the unofficial beginning of summertime, and the all-important backyard BBQ fest. But that doesn't explain the silence of the European crowd, or the fact that I'm here in my office. :) Keith H. (FAA) From mumford at ONLINE.NO Mon May 25 15:45:58 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 21:45:58 +0200 Subject: OFF: Godzilla/Holiday Message-ID: > Well, if you're from outside the United States, perhaps you don't know that > it's Memorial Day here, the unofficial beginning of summertime, and the > all-important backyard BBQ fest. > > But that doesn't explain the silence of the European crowd, Ancient pagan rituals? Late aftershock of the Eurovision Song Contest results? Music festivals?? Strikes? New Kelley Family album out (again)? >or the fact that > I'm here in my office. :) I could kill for some good takeout chinese BBQ pork... > Keith H. (FAA) Chr. ObCDtapedub: Legendary Pink Dots - Hallway of The Gods From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon May 25 16:04:33 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 21:04:33 +0100 Subject: OFF: Godzilla/Holiday In-Reply-To: <199805251951.VAA19459@online.no> Message-ID: > > Well, if you're from outside the United States, perhaps you don't know > that > > it's Memorial Day here, the unofficial beginning of summertime, and the > > all-important backyard BBQ fest. > > > > But that doesn't explain the silence of the European crowd, > > Ancient pagan rituals? Late aftershock of the Eurovision Song Contest > results? Music festivals?? Strikes? New Kelley Family album out (again)? Bank Holiday weekend and (in may case) ex-girlfriend trauma. The usual. Didn't even make it to ICU :( - Andy ObTrack: The New Christs - "Words Fail Me" mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From goran.janicijevic at INFORMA.MK Mon May 25 16:07:29 1998 From: goran.janicijevic at INFORMA.MK (goran.janicijevic@informa.mk) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 20:07:29 GMT Subject: No subject Message-ID: X-Sender: goran.janicijevic at eis.informa.mk (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Goran Janicijevic Subject: Re: OFF: Godzilla/Holiday At 09:45 PM 5/25/98 +0200, you wrote: >Ancient pagan rituals? Late aftershock of the Eurovision Song Contest >results? Music festivals?? Strikes? New Kelley Family album out (again)? Maybe the Eurovision Contest outcome is to some fellows worse horror than Godzilla, post-nuke ages, or whatever other disaster one can imagine. :-) Simplius From Hawklord57 at AOL.COM Mon May 25 16:27:09 1998 From: Hawklord57 at AOL.COM (Hawklord57) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 16:27:09 EDT Subject: HW: Simon House Yassasim Message-ID: Hi Folks, On this cd, it lists no artists. Does Simon play all the instruments? Thank you , Duane From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Mon May 25 16:28:16 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 21:28:16 +0100 Subject: HW: Private Gig Message-ID: Haven't been able to get to my email for a while, but count me in for the private gig if it's in the UK (and not on 21st/22nd August - I'm meant to be getting married and I'm sure my intended would kill me if I missed the wedding for a Hawks gig...) Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ -----Original Message----- From: Soniqu? To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 23 May 1998 14:11 Subject: Re: HW: Private Gig On 22 May 98, at 13:26, Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > I've asked Paul Ward 3 days ago to get in touch with DAVE BROCK No answer from Dave yet .... I'll be calling him tomorrow so stay tuned Soniqu? From dahl at AROS.NET Mon May 25 18:19:12 1998 From: dahl at AROS.NET (dahl) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 16:19:12 -0600 Subject: Cities on Flame in Houston Message-ID: I'm watching the Dodgers and Astros on ESPN. The game is in Houston and they just played Cities on Flame over the PA. Then they played Roadhouse Blues, but it wasn't the BOC version. How about that? Brad "The party starts now!" Lawrence of Cobble Creek http://www.moosenet.com/poison.html From mumford at ONLINE.NO Mon May 25 20:12:00 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 02:12:00 +0200 Subject: OFF: Godzilla/Holiday Message-ID: > (in may case) ex-girlfriend trauma. The usual. Sounds horrible :) > Didn't even make it to ICU :( Chr. > - Andy > > ObTrack: The New Christs - "Words Fail Me" > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham "Who am I? Where am I going? With no time to spare as a man rowing upon a shoreless lake. Never slowing the pace, but never spying land. I am as most people, I suppose - lost, not knowing why." - David McCallum "No, I am a bowl of soup." - Edmund Blackadder From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon May 25 21:53:02 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 21:53:02 -0400 Subject: OFF: Govt. Mule @ Lynchburg, 24th May, 1998 Message-ID: I went to see Govt. Mule at LIVESTOCK '98, Cattle Annie's, Lynchburg, VA, last night. I'd narrowly missed them recently at Columbus, OH, and so was overjoyed when I heard they were coming "near" me. This was my chance to see them live for the first time. My review: Absolutely excellent! End of story. Oh, I guess the studious amongst you might want to know the setlist. It was: JOHN THE REVELATOR[*] THELONIUS BECK GAME FACE THORAZINE SHUFFLE PAINTED SILVER LIGHT SHE SAID, SHE SAID BLIND MAN IN THE DARK MULE Like BOC last night, 'Mule were subject to the same stupid time restrictions, but, unlike BOC, were better prepared: Warren had a digital LED clock to one side of him, which he kept checking periodically. However, this did mean they had to play pretty much "straight" versions of the songs, and couldn't jam out, as is their wont. It was only on the outro portion of "She Said, She Said" that we got to taste any of the jamming 'Mule do so well, and, even then, Warren kept casting glances over at the clock. The time constraint was particularly evident on the final track of the night, "Mule." The crowd was really pumped at the point, and you could just tell Warren wanted to let rip, but kept a worried eye on the clock, and that held him back. (The sods even blipped the stage lights off then on again near the end of "Mule," I guess just to remind the guys their time was up.) I think they played for just over an hour, all in all. Despite the feeling of what might have been, this was an excellent show (some stupid slam dancers in the crowd notwithstanding [one of whom got punched out cold by a guy who evidently didn't cotton to such shenanigans when one of them bumped into him and knocked his glasses off]). The sound was monster, and the energy was massive. For a trio, 'Mule certainly know how to make a lot of sound. And, yes, Warren *is* really that good live. My advice: Even if you have to travel great distances, GO AND SEE THIS BAND!! Cheers, Paul. obCD: Govt. Mule, _Dose_ [*] Ironically, when I last described Govt. Mule's sound on BOC-L, I said they played with "the ferocity of a tent revival on steroids." Seems now, with "John the Revelator," my words are even more appropriate... ;-) BTW, Allen played the weirdest bass for a lot of the set---it was a double-necked guitar, with the top neck being a bass, and the bottom being a mandolin (which he played during "John the Revelator"). e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "Do not look to the sky, it will not rain for you" --- Govt. Mule, "Blind Man in the Dark", _Dose_ From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue May 26 01:01:41 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 05:01:41 +0000 Subject: OFF: GODZILLA REVIEW Message-ID: Actually, I won't bore you with a corny attempt to do a Leonard Maltin or Siskel and Ebert. But here's my basic overview: First and foremost: GODZILLA SUCKS! Being a fan of the series since about age 5, I can't pretend I had no preconceived notions. But I really went into this knowing it would be much different than the Japanese flicks. Even so, I literally found almost NO redeeming value to this film. First of all, the plot is almost MORE nonsensical than that of the average Japanese Zilla. The dialogue, especially in the lovey-dovey subplot, is guaranteed to make you cringe. I'm by far not the most P.C. dude out there, but this movie also takes a serious stab at the French. I don't mind a little ethnic humor if it's done tastefully and perhaps a little affectionately, but that wasn't the case here. In this flick it was just sloppy and stereotypical. The entire middle section of the film has our heroes running around Madison Square Garden trying to avoid being gored by a horde of nine-foot-tall baby Godzillas (read: Raptors). When we were talking about this film a couple weeks ago, I said it looked like it was gonna be 'Steven Spielberg's Godzilla'. Someone (Can't remember who), said he doubted director Roland Emmerich would have to ride on Spielberg's coattails. I can now respond by saying that is exactly what he and producer Dean Devlin (who wrote the script) have done. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if Spielberg could sue them for copyright infringement and win. I know nothing I could say would dissuade people from going to see this movie. Hell, no bad review from anyone could have kept me from checking it out for myself. But from what I think I know about the folks on this list, I'll just warn you now that YOU WILL BE 100% DISAPPOINTED. If you loved the 'Jurassic Park' movies, you might find a little something here that's to your liking. But even that is stretching things a bit. I sincerely believe that even if I knew nothing about the Japanese Godzilla films whatsoever, I would still rank this among my worst cinematic experiences in years. 'Mortal Kombat: The Annihilation' was a better movie. YUCK! -- Nick From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue May 26 05:29:29 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 10:29:29 +0100 Subject: OFF: GODZILLA REVIEW In-Reply-To: <19980526085709.AAA19179@[208.214.94.85]> Message-ID: > Actually, I won't bore you with a corny attempt to do a Leonard > Maltin or Siskel and Ebert. But here's my basic overview: > > First and foremost: GODZILLA SUCKS! Now why doesn't that surprise me? :) > I'm by far not the most P.C. dude out there, but this movie also > takes a serious stab at the French. I don't mind a little ethnic > humor if it's done tastefully and perhaps a little affectionately, > but that wasn't the case here. In this flick it was just sloppy and > stereotypical. Which, considering Jean Reno ("Leon") is one of the stars, is staggeringly insensitive. > > The entire middle section of the film has our heroes running around > Madison Square Garden trying to avoid being gored by a horde of > nine-foot-tall baby Godzillas (read: Raptors). It's the big green *gal*, now, isn't it? :)) A propos of not much, one of the things about Godzilla that's easy to forget from a Western perspective is, we tend to think it's all a bit of a laugh when Tokyo gets flattened, it's one of those funny Oriental things that's just lovably kitsch. But when you've actually had two cities levelled by atom bombs, and another by incendiary bombs, it has a whole different resonance; in cultural terms, you can makle a case for saying the Godzilla films are part of Japan's coming to terms with Hiroshima. But an American remake (even if directed by a German, but after _Independence Day_ he seems more Yank than the Yanks) is bound to lose any such meaning. In fact, from what I've read, it seems more like a remake of _The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms_ than of Godzilla. Ray Bradbury should sue! :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue May 26 01:55:06 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 05:55:06 +0000 Subject: OFF: GODZILLA REVIEW Message-ID: > > The entire middle section of the film has our heroes running around > > Madison Square Garden trying to avoid being gored by a horde of > > nine-foot-tall baby Godzillas (read: Raptors). > > It's the big green *gal*, now, isn't it? :)) Actually, the funny thing is, Godzilla is referred to as a 'he' throughout the film. Even after it's discovered that he's layed eggs. Somehow, we're supposed to take it on faith that they just KNOW Godzilla is male, and he reproduces asexually. They never explain why, and after numerous shots of the underside of Godzilla, the only thing I saw that was long, stiff and protruding was a tail. Just one of the MANY jumps in logic. Oh, and the obligatory 'leave it open for a sequel' ending is every bit as contrived as something you might see in a 'Leprechaun' movie. One thing I forgot to mention: Zeppelin fans are also warned to stay away. After watching this intensely bad flick, the screen goes black, the credits start to roll, and you're treated to that 'controversial' Puff Daddy remix of Kashmir. It's as if Devlin and Emmerich are taking one last stab at your freakin' heart!!!! -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue May 26 02:21:10 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 06:21:10 +0000 Subject: BOC: Pumpkins are fans? Message-ID: This might not be news to everyone, but I was recently told that there is a Smashing Pumpkins import bootleg titled 'A Tribute to BOC'. I think they do one BOC cover on the disc, and I think it's Godzilla. Just thought some super-serious collectors out there might want to search it out and add it to the collection, along with their Blotto and Jim Carroll band records. -- Nick From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue May 26 06:33:58 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 03:33:58 PDT Subject: OFF: Godzilla/Holiday Message-ID: > >Bank Holiday weekend and (in may case) ex-girlfriend trauma. The usual. >Didn't even make it to ICU :( > >- Andy > I have never had the nerve to say this out loud, but since this is the internet and I am (essentially) anonymous........why do ex-girlfriends cause more stress then at any point within in a relationship? I can't be alone. And always on holiday 3-day weekends that you finish work on Friday looking forward to and then spend the next 72 hours wishing you were sitting at the office on Monday morning again... A rhetorical question, really. >Heavy sighs< Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue May 26 03:53:31 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 08:53:31 +0100 Subject: HW: Private Gig In-Reply-To: <01bd881b$a6361a60$0100007f@localhost> Message-ID: In article <01bd881b$a6361a60$0100007f at localhost>, Kevin Perry writes >Haven't been able to get to my email for a while, but count me in for the >private gig if it's in the UK (and not on 21st/22nd August - I'm meant to be >getting married and I'm sure my intended would kill me if I missed the >wedding for a Hawks gig...) Why not get married at the gig :) Or suggest to your beloved that HW play at your wedding? ;-p -- Jon From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue May 26 08:07:35 1998 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 22:07:35 +1000 Subject: HW: (Fwd) Hawkwind News Message-ID: Hiya All, Thought you might be interested in a few things that Mr Brock had to say when I phoned him about the proposed private gig. I've filled Bernhard in in detail (so I'll leave it to him to continue the discussion), but basically Dave is for the idea but doesn't think it's workable as it stands. He is very keen however to do something if it can be tied in to some sort of convention ... something that Trev Hughes has apparently been looking into (Carl - R U still in touch with Trev?) I'll leave the rest to Bernhard, except to say that 1000 "Hawkwind Passports" are now ready at "Mission Control", and they plan to do an "invite only" gig in Autumn for passport holders .... I guess it will be worth keeping an eye on their webpage from now ... Here's some other news I just posted to the OzHawks list ..... Soniqu? ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: Self To: ozhawk-l at lists.pcmicro.com.au Subject: Hawkwind News Send reply to: ozhawks at pcmicro.com.au Date sent: Tue, 26 May 1998 21:59:32 +1000 Hi, Before you too excited, I'm not reporting that the Oz Tour is back on track .... I just got off the phone to Mr Brock. We talked briefly about the Australian Tour and the various problems making it happen (primarily the cost of airfares to Australia). At this stage it looks like we will start concentrating our efforts again later in the year, so as to try to get a tour happening in early 1999 to fit in with the bands plans for a major tour concept they are working on for the end of the millenium .... can't say much about it now, but think of "Death Generators" .... The main reason for this post is some *actual* news. The new Hawkwind studio album is finished (with the exception of some final mixing), so we can expect to see it in the not too distant (horizon?) future .... I asked Dave what to expect and he laughed and said "new songs", so I guess we will all have to be surprised at the same time :) The US Space Rock comp CD has been mixed and sent to Strange Trips ... I imagine that it will be releaseed before the "Strange Daze" festival on August 14th (see attached flyer) Speaking of Hawkwind gigs, anyone who will be in the UK in early August should visit the Custom Bike Show in Kent on the 7th & 8th ... Hawkwind will be playing there. Dave has also almost completed his new solo album (one track to go), so I expect that will be out before too long as well. That's all from me Yours in Space Paul Attachments: D:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP\SD'98.GIF -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue May 26 09:11:41 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 14:11:41 +0100 Subject: HW: Private Gig In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Why not get married at the gig :) > Or suggest to your beloved that HW play at your wedding? > ;-p I saw an item on MTV a while back about people getting married at a Kiss convention. In full make-up. In the presence of Gene & Paul (and whoever else was in the band at the time :). Boy, was that grim! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Tue May 26 09:53:57 1998 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 15:53:57 +0200 Subject: HW: Private gig Message-ID: Hello folks Received a mail from Paul Ward who had a phonecall with DAVE BROCK Thanks very much Paul for doing this!!! Here are some parts of this mail: >He is quite interested in the idea of the private gig, but thinks perhaps it >is too simple to work. He said it would be better if it was tied in with >something else - a convention or something. He said that they would be happy >to play in a private room if something like that could be organised. Hey! It doesn't look as bad as I really thought. Dave is interested and this is a big point for us. And it shouldn't be a problem for us to organize a special event, let us call it "Science Fiction-Internet HAWKWIND listeners Convention" or somthing else. Any suggestions out there???? >He thinks that organising a private gig is probably more difficult than >people realise ..... he said that finding a venue will be difficult and >expensive. Really? What we need is only a small place for maybe 200 persons, not more >Dave also said that Trev Hughes had been looking at organising some sort of >thing like this, and that you should co-ordinate with him. He said that Trev >has found it harder to do than he thought it would be, but that if he had >some help from some keen fans such as yourself then maybe it could work. I am very sorry to say this, but Trevor Hughes is NOT the right person for the organization. He is a very friendly chap and a great HAWKWIND fan, but EXTREMELY unreliable!! There are some folks on the LIST who can do it better and faster I think. I can imagine why he failed. I have sent to him countless letters with lot of money. I am still waiting for the answer.... I think it is now up to you list-members what should be our next step THE BIG PROBLEM IS TO COORDINATE THE WHOLE STORY (that means to get a cheap venue for a date when the band are in the right mood and has the time) Bernhard From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue May 26 10:22:37 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 10:22:37 -0400 Subject: BOC: Pumpkins are fans? Message-ID: The Smashing Pumpkins bootleg has a cover of "Godzilla" - I haven't heard it, but I've been told that it's bad. Don't know if SP are BOC fans - I'm sure that they had nothing to do with the title of this release... ;-) John From lansford at VNET.NET Tue May 26 10:24:21 1998 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 14:24:21 GMT Subject: OFF: GODZILLA REVIEW In-Reply-To: <19980526085709.AAA19179@[208.214.94.85]> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 May 1998, Nick English wrote: >I'm by far not the most P.C. dude out there, but this movie also >takes a serious stab at the French. I don't mind a little ethnic >humor if it's done tastefully and perhaps a little affectionately, >but that wasn't the case here. In this flick it was just sloppy and >stereotypical. Hmm. I took much of it as stabs at the plastic, prepackaged American culture. At least the French were shown as taking responsibility for their actions. I have to say that Jean Reno, playing the only consistently competent character in the movie, was a treat. About the only thing that kept me from walking out of the theater thinking "What a complete waste." >The entire middle section of the film has our heroes running around >Madison Square Garden trying to avoid being gored by a horde of >nine-foot-tall baby Godzillas (read: Raptors). Someone want to explain why the horde didn't turn cannibal if they were still that hungry? For that matter, isn't it rare for a lizard to be protective of its nest? And how many vertebrates are capable of reproducing asexually? >If you loved the 'Jurassic Park' movies, you might find a little >something here that's to your liking. But even that is stretching >things a bit. Nah, it followed the Godzilla formula too well. A tedious first half to three-quarters of the movie (with an occasional interesting minute here or there), followed by the monster stomping everything in sight. Jean Lansford lansford at vnet.net http://users.vnet.net/lansford/ From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue May 26 10:28:56 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 10:28:56 -0400 Subject: HW: (Fwd) Hawkwind News Message-ID: Paul passes on the following... >but basically Dave is for the idea but doesn't think it's >workable as it stands. Any particular reason?? >I'll leave the rest to Bernhard, except to say that 1000 "Hawkwind Passports" >are now ready at "Mission Control", and they plan to do an "invite only" gig >in Autumn for passport holders .... I guess it will be worth keeping an eye >on their webpage from now ... Well, this kinda looks similar to what we were planning anyway, only a bit larger scope, and not quite as exclusive. Figure this is in the UK, right? >The main reason for this post is some *actual* news. The new Hawkwind >studio album is finished (with the exception of some final mixing), so we >can expect to see it in the not too distant (horizon?) future .... I asked >Dave what to expect and he laughed and said "new songs", so I guess we >will all have to be surprised at the same time :) Hey, that sounds great! But I hope 'new' songs doesn't mean newly-retitled songs. :) >The US Space Rock comp CD has been mixed and sent to Strange Trips ... I >imagine that it will be releaseed before the "Strange Daze" festival on >August 14th (see attached flyer) Haven't heard about this...who will release it?? Is this studio tracks from the various bands that played at SD97, or perhaps the live recordings from then?? Perhaps a US T.A.T. of sorts? >Dave has also almost completed his new solo album (one track to go), so I >expect that will be out before too long as well. Is this the 76-96 thingy, or a totally new one?? Keith H. (FAA) P.S. From what it sounds like, Dave is *not* really planning to slow down to a crawl quite yet. Unless Jerry Richards and Ron Tree wrote all that new material! P.P.S. One other band that will be performing at SD'98 is 'Kid from Cleveland' (from Cleveland, duh!), a band that apparently mixes in originals with covers of Pink Floyd and the like. From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Tue May 26 10:39:55 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 15:39:55 +0100 Subject: HW: Private Gig In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Why not get married at the gig :) > Or suggest to your beloved that HW play at your wedding? Hmm. I like the idea...but I'm not sure how well it would go down with the rest of our families... But I'm sure I could convince her that going to the gig shorlty afterwards would be a great wedding present! Kevin From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue May 26 11:16:39 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 16:16:39 +0100 Subject: OFF: GODZILLA REVIEW In-Reply-To: <356ac67d.8895424@pop.vnet.net> Message-ID: > And how many vertebrates are capable of reproducing asexually? One, I guess :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mike at PHOENIXPHOTO.COM Tue May 26 11:45:21 1998 From: mike at PHOENIXPHOTO.COM (Mike Stanton) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 11:45:21 -0400 Subject: OFF: GODZILLA REVIEW Message-ID: > >First and foremost: GODZILLA SUCKS! Maybe it is a good thing they did not use BOC's song in their movie! ;-) Mike From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue May 26 13:11:26 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:11:26 +0000 Subject: OFF: GODZILLA REVIEW Message-ID: On tis 26 maj 1998 10.29 +0100 "Andy Gilham" wrote: > we tend to think it's all a bit of a laugh > when Tokyo gets flattened, Not as much as if LA gets flattened :) That's my pet least favorite city. Manhattan follows. But LA has been both obliterated by aliens and vulcanized now, hasn't it? And is NYC the one that gets the comet in "Deep Impact" as well? :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue May 26 11:48:24 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 16:48:24 +0100 Subject: boc: boc email Message-ID: someone remind me - does Buck have an email address ? If so, what is it ? thanks, Tim From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue May 26 13:09:43 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 18:09:43 +0100 Subject: BOC: boc email In-Reply-To: <199805261548.QAA08530@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: > someone remind me - does Buck have an email address ? If so, what is it ? > > > thanks, > > > Tim I know it's *not* BuckDharma at aol.com, because some fanboy nicked it first! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue May 26 13:47:23 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 18:47:23 +0100 Subject: HW: Private gig In-Reply-To: Pospiech, Bernhard's message of Tue, 26 May 1998 15:53:57 +0200 Message-ID: Pospiech, Bernhard writes: > >Dave also said that Trev Hughes had been looking at organising some sort of > > >thing like this, and that you should co-ordinate with him. He said that > Trev > >has found it harder to do than he thought it would be, but that if he had > >some help from some keen fans such as yourself then maybe it could work. > > I am very sorry to say this, but Trevor Hughes is NOT the right person for > the organization. He is a very friendly chap and a great HAWKWIND fan, but > EXTREMELY unreliable!! Yep. I have to go along with this. I like Trev but he has his limitations and an organised person he's not. > There are some folks on the LIST who can do it better > and faster I think. I can imagine why he failed. I have sent to him > countless letters with lot of money. I am still waiting for the answer.... I think he still owes me a video of the 1985 Hawkcon. > I think it is now up to you list-members what should be our next step > > THE BIG PROBLEM IS TO COORDINATE THE WHOLE STORY (that means to get a cheap > venue for a date when the band are in the right mood and has the time) If it's going to have to be a convention doesn't that mean a 2 dayer and therefore organising accomodation? I do have friends who've organised SF conventions in hotels and would be able to help. The question is would we rather do a camping festival? > Bernhard FoFP From mordru at GEKKO.NET Tue May 26 14:55:49 1998 From: mordru at GEKKO.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 14:55:49 -0400 Subject: OFF: City Apocalypse checklist (was OFF: GODZILLA REVIEW) Message-ID: >> we tend to think it's all a bit of a laugh >> when Tokyo gets flattened, > > Not as much as if LA gets flattened :) That's my pet least favorite >city. Manhattan follows. But LA has been both obliterated by aliens and >vulcanized now, hasn't it? And is NYC the one that gets the comet in >"Deep Impact" as well? :) Consult the City Apocalypse Guide (aka "Cities on Flame") (this is a very early attempt without going to sources, I'm sure it's full of errors, feel free to annotate or correct) (key: NY New York LA Los Angeles To Tokyo LV Las Vegas Lo London Pa Paris Disaster: NY LA To LV Lo Pa Honorable mentions ============================================ Godzilla wrecks city y n Y n n n SF in comic book Kurt Russell escapes y y n n n n - Meteorite y n n n n y Nuclear Bomb n y n y n n Houston in ID4 World War II bombs n n y n y y Aliens destroy city y y y y y y Earthquake n y y n n n King Kong y n y? n n n Space Vampires n n y? n y n any others? +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at gekko.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Tue May 26 15:22:42 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David Greenhalgh) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 20:22:42 +0100 Subject: HW: Private gig Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > Pospiech, Bernhard writes: > > > >Dave also said that Trev Hughes had been looking at organising some sort of > > > > >thing like this, and that you should co-ordinate with him. He said that > > Trev > > >has found it harder to do than he thought it would be, but that if he had > > >some help from some keen fans such as yourself then maybe it could work. > > > > I am very sorry to say this, but Trevor Hughes is NOT the right person for > > the organization. He is a very friendly chap and a great HAWKWIND fan, but > > EXTREMELY unreliable!! > > Yep. I have to go along with this. I like Trev but he has his > limitations and an organised person he's not. > > > There are some folks on the LIST who can do it better > > and faster I think. I can imagine why he failed. I have sent to him > > countless letters with lot of money. I am still waiting for the answer.... > > I think he still owes me a video of the 1985 Hawkcon. > > > I think it is now up to you list-members what should be our next step > > > > THE BIG PROBLEM IS TO COORDINATE THE WHOLE STORY (that means to get a cheap > > venue for a date when the band are in the right mood and has the time) > > If it's going to have to be a convention doesn't that mean a 2 dayer and > therefore organising accomodation? I do have friends who've organised SF > conventions in hotels and would be able to help. The question is would > we rather do a camping festival? > For my part, yes, or at least a hotel somewhere in the country with a camp site nearby. If we have to start adding the cost of a couple of nights hotel accommodation we a starting to arrive at big bills. A hotel big enough to put on a convention, even if it's only a token one, is not going to be cheap. I'm not sure how open to the idea of rock concerts that sort of hotel would be either! Oh dear, that doesn't sound very positive, sorry!! Dave From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue May 26 15:15:08 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 19:15:08 +0000 Subject: OFF: GODZILLA REVIEW Message-ID: > >First and foremost: GODZILLA SUCKS! > > > Maybe it is a good thing they did not use BOC's song in their movie! ;-) > > Mike For me, it would have been one of only two or three bright spots. Although I'm not sure if anybody else in the theater would have appreciated it. BTW, I hate to just sit here being totally negative and whatnot...but if anybody else has seen this movie, please back me up. It REALLY IS HORRIBLE. On the one hand, it truly defames Godzilla in the eyes of the Zilla fan. It takes everything we love about the ol' guy and jettisons it for a total 90s big-budget Hollywood blockbuster feel. But on the other hand, if this weren't a Godzilla movie, it would still be piss-poor. And rest assured, if you renamed it 'Big Green Lizard Attacks New York' and changed the creature's name, I'll bet more people would compare it to Jurassic Park than to Godzilla. Again, I sincerely believe there's actual merit to a Spielberg lawsuit! Anyway, I'll shut up about it unless I can add more to the dialogue than just THIS MOVIE SUCKS THE BAG! -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue May 26 15:17:16 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 19:17:16 +0000 Subject: OFF: City of Apocalypse Message-ID: I deleted the original post before I could re-check... But did you include London in the movie 'Gorgo'? How about Malipitas (sp?) California, from the Malpitas Monster? Now THERE'S a cheesy monster movie! -- Nick From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Tue May 26 19:33:07 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (SPRAWL) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 19:33:07 -0400 Subject: HW: Private Gig Message-ID: my mother has promised (of her own volition) to play HW at my funeral should she outlive me. i'm looking forward to it. rj Kevin Perry wrote: > > > Why not get married at the gig :) > > Or suggest to your beloved that HW play at your wedding? > > Hmm. I like the idea...but I'm not sure how well it would go down with the > rest of our families... But I'm sure I could convince her that going to the > gig shorlty afterwards would be a great wedding present! > > Kevin From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue May 26 19:45:01 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 00:45:01 +0100 Subject: City Apocalypse checklist (was OFF: GODZILLA REVIEW) In-Reply-To: <199805261855.OAA09491@issfire1.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: > (key: NY New York LA Los Angeles To Tokyo LV Las Vegas > Lo London Pa Paris > > Disaster: NY LA To LV Lo Pa Honorable mentions > ============================================ > Godzilla wrecks city y n Y n n n SF in comic book > Kurt Russell escapes y y n n n n - > Meteorite y n n n n y > Nuclear Bomb n y n y n n Houston in ID4 > World War II bombs n n y n y y > Aliens destroy city y y y y y y > Earthquake n y y n n n > King Kong y n y? n n n > Space Vampires n n y? n y n > > any others? > There were those cars that ate Paris... and an aubergine that ate Rangoon :) - Andy ObAlbumCover: Midnight Oil - _Red Sails in the Sunset_ mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From dahl at AROS.NET Tue May 26 19:53:15 1998 From: dahl at AROS.NET (dahl) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:53:15 -0600 Subject: OFF: GODZILLA REVIEW Message-ID: Maybe there's something wrong with me, but I enjoyed this movie. Maybe it's because I didn't have great expectations or spent a lot of time comparing it to the previous Godzilla movies. I like the idea of something like this "creature" showing up in New York City with no warning and seeing how people would really deal with it. Sure the movie started out slamming the French, but they certainly were the heroes in the end. I had fun watching it and BOC at the end would have been great. The turd encrusted rendition of Kashmir at least made it easier to skip the credits. I also probably enjoyed it more because I basically got to see it free with some out of date movie passes. WOO HOO! Brad From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue May 26 16:11:46 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 20:11:46 +0000 Subject: OFF: GODZILLA REVIEW Message-ID: > I also probably enjoyed it more because I basically got to see it free with > some out of date movie passes. Free would have helped! Although I must reluctantly admit that I bought into the mega-marketing machine. I bought an official Godzilla keychain at the concession stand! Hey, bad movie aside, it was a damn cool monster. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed May 27 05:49:39 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:49:39 +0100 Subject: HW: Private gig In-Reply-To: David Greenhalgh's message of Tue, 26 May 1998 20:22:42 +0100 Message-ID: David Greenhalgh writes: > > If it's going to have to be a convention doesn't that mean a 2 dayer > > and therefore organising accomodation? I do have friends who've > > organised SF conventions in hotels and would be able to help. The > > question is would we rather do a camping festival? > For my part, yes, or at least a hotel somewhere in the country with a > camp site nearby. If we have to start adding the cost of a couple of > nights hotel accommodation we a starting to arrive at big bills. A > hotel big enough to put on a convention, even if it's only a token > one, is not going to be cheap. I'm not sure how open to the idea of > rock concerts that sort of hotel would be either! > Oh dear, that doesn't sound very positive, sorry!! Well Seacon booked Hawkwind in Brighton in 1984(?). One way forward would be just to run a weekend SF convention with SF oriented bands on the Friday and Saturday and a programme stream covering Hawkwind. Alternatively hook up with an established SF con and see if we can run our own Hawkwind stream at that. The advantage would be that we'd also be able to invite SF authors. > Dave FoFP From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed May 27 06:05:40 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 11:05:40 +0100 Subject: HW: Private gig In-Reply-To: <199805270949.KAA25171@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > Well Seacon booked Hawkwind in Brighton in 1984(?). One way forward > would be just to run a weekend SF convention with SF oriented bands on > the Friday and Saturday and a programme stream covering Hawkwind. > Alternatively hook up with an established SF con and see if we can run > our own Hawkwind stream at that. The advantage would be that we'd also > be able to invite SF authors. Yeah! John Shirley *and* Mick Farren as guest stars! :) - Andy ObCD: Deniz Tek Group - "4-4: The Number of the Beat" EP mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Wed May 27 08:48:32 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 08:48:32 -0400 Subject: City Apocalypse checklist (was OFF: GODZILLA REVIEW) Message-ID: A long time ago (1978ish) there was a made for TV movie with a comet destroying Pheonix. It was your typical Airport xx plot: 4 or 5 unrelated sub plots that don't mean diddley when the big one hits. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed May 27 09:24:36 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:24:36 -0400 Subject: BOC: Live 1976 CD FS Message-ID: Anybody need a copy of the Live 1976 CD? I've got an extra one, still sealed. As has been posted here, the sound quality leaves something to be desired, but there's some really classic stuff on it (including Eric's infamous pot/speed-limit rap in "Dominance and Submission", the infamous "5 Guitars, Mark II", and other gems from the Agents tour). If anyone is looking for a copy, e-mail me with an offer. John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed May 27 10:34:55 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:34:55 EDT Subject: BOC: Live 1976 CD FS In-Reply-To: <199805271324.JAA18408@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > Anybody need a copy of the Live 1976 CD? I've got an extra one, still > sealed. As has been posted here, the sound quality leaves something to > be desired, but there's some really classic stuff on it (including Eric's > infamous pot/speed-limit rap in "Dominance and Submission", the infamous > "5 Guitars, Mark II", and other gems from the Agents tour). If anyone > is looking for a copy, e-mail me with an offer. > > John Not to mention some of Albert's most savage drumming ever, and his reference to Little Richard in Cof... Anybody [Torgo, Brian?] get more details about Big Flats or New hartford gigs while I was gone? From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed May 27 11:10:50 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 16:10:50 +0100 Subject: HW: Private gig In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Wed, 27 May 1998 11:05:40 +0100 Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > > Well Seacon booked Hawkwind in Brighton in 1984(?). One way forward > > would be just to run a weekend SF convention with SF oriented bands on > > the Friday and Saturday and a programme stream covering Hawkwind. > > Alternatively hook up with an established SF con and see if we can run > > our own Hawkwind stream at that. The advantage would be that we'd also > > be able to invite SF authors. > > Yeah! John Shirley *and* Mick Farren as guest stars! :) Well I was thinking Spacehead on the Friday night and Hawkwind on the Saturday night. We could try to invite Moorcock as GoH and drag in any others who would come (Nik?). The advantages of an SF con are that it spreads the load and you'd get folks coming just for the con which would raise cash. Then sell a day membership for fans of the band who don't want to stay the weekend at the hotel. You can also sell concessions to SF book stalls and CD stalls and maybe even Con t-shirts. Once you're talking about booking an entire hotel for a weekend they tend to get a bit keen and drop the rates to 25 or 30 quid per night so long as you're outside London. I know a few conrunners and could get a list of cooperative hotels and tips on how to put such a thing together. We'd be able to run a continuous Hawkwind stream. Hopefully we could run a spacerock disco after the bands and get ex members along to panel talks, display collections, show videos and all the usual stuff. What it would take though is a serious committee with folks on it accepting responsibility for organising their part of the thing. From talking to conrunners it can be a hard and sometimes thankless task, though they do all seem to enjoy themselves at the con despite the responsibility involved. There's also obviously some financial risk involved with the committee ultimately being responsible for the tab should things go south. > - Andy k FoFP From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Wed May 27 11:17:04 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 11:17:04 -0400 Subject: BOC: Big Flats (was RE: Live 1976 CD FS) Message-ID: Theo said: >Anybody [Torgo, Brian?] get more details about Big Flats or New >hartford gigs while I was gone? Nope. I haven't looked into it yet. I'm still trying to figure out who to see at Darien Lake this year! I already missed the Spice Girls. I may have to settle for the Who ;-) Brian ob Band I'd like to see this summer> The Brain Surgeons -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Rather than try to set up our own con at short notice with all the hassles of financial commitments, organising committees, hotel arrangements et al if there was already a con planned that would be willing to accept the extra asset of Hawkwind playing there one night it would be much easier to arrange. We would probably have to promise the con committee that we'd cover the financial side of the gig itself but by the sounds of things we've already decided this! cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed May 27 12:13:16 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 17:13:16 +0100 Subject: OFF: City Apocalypse checklist (was OFF: GODZILLA REVIEW) In-Reply-To: Andrew A. Apold's message of Tue, 26 May 1998 14:55:49 -0400 Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold writes: > (key: NY New York LA Los Angeles To Tokyo LV Las Vegas > Lo London Pa Paris > > Disaster: NY LA To LV Lo Pa Honorable mentions > ============================================ > Godzilla wrecks city y n Y n n n SF in comic book > Kurt Russell escapes y y n n n n - > Meteorite y n n n n y > Nuclear Bomb n y n y n n Houston in ID4 > World War II bombs n n y n y y > Aliens destroy city y y y y y y > Earthquake n y y n n n > King Kong y n y? n n n > Space Vampires n n y? n y n > > any others? I like it. I also remember a period when all the SF books I read were determined to demolish Earth by one means or another. My favourite was a book by Zebrowski where everything was absorbed by some highly energised new form of metal. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed May 27 20:10:52 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 17:10:52 -0700 Subject: HW: Private gig Message-ID: Come on then, you lot. Start volunteering. Zeit M Holmes wrote: > > What it would take though is a serious committee with folks on it > accepting responsibility for organising their part of the thing. From > talking to conrunners it can be a hard and sometimes thankless task, > though they do all seem to enjoy themselves at the con despite the > responsibility involved. There's also obviously some financial risk > involved with the committee ultimately being responsible for the tab > should things go south. > > > - Andy > k > FoFP -- ====================================================== One is currently shaking ones booty to; THE INNOCENCE MISSION TANKARD - Disco Destroyer ====================================================== E-zine: http://zeitgeist-scot.com/ Personal e-mail: zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com Check out the latest Record Hunter arrivals at http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/hunter.html RH e-mail: record.hunter at dial.pipex.com ====================================================== From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Wed May 27 12:43:36 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 12:43:36 -0400 Subject: BOC: Big Flats (was RE: Live 1976 CD FS) Message-ID: >I remember hearing that tBS played Altoona, PA last year. Anybody >know if they're hitting central PA again any time soon? >-- Nick As far as I know there aren't any plans to tour this summer. They're probably finishing up the new CD(s). Of course, it may be a live album, so missing a gig this summer wouldn't be quite so bad... Brian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed May 27 12:28:41 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 17:28:41 +0100 Subject: OFF: City Apocalypse checklist (was OFF: GODZILLA REVIEW) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 27 May 1998 17:13:16 BST." <199805271613.RAA24998@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > I like it. I also remember a period when all the SF books I read > were determined to demolish Earth by one means or another. My > favourite was a book by Zebrowski where everything was absorbed by > some highly energised new form of metal. IIRC, didn't just about every major city on the planet take a nuke or harnessed meteor strike in Niven/Barnes' _Footfall_ ? On the more justified front of course, both Tool & Bill Hicks are banking on LA sinking beneath the waters due to excessive amounts of bullshit :-) See you down on Arizona Bay, Tim ObSeasonalSong: Then Came the Last Days of May From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed May 27 13:04:20 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 13:04:20 EDT Subject: BOC: Big Flats (was RE: Live 1976 CD FS) In-Reply-To: <329A5258416CD111928F006008A62C7624A65E@bpxsv.156.106.206.in-addr.arpa> Message-ID: From: brian halligan > Theo said: > > >Anybody [Torgo, Brian?] get more details about Big Flats or New > >hartford gigs while I was gone? > > Nope. I haven't looked into it yet. > I'm still trying to figure out who to > see at Darien Lake this year! I > already missed the Spice Girls. > I may have to settle for the Who ;-) > > Brian > > ob Band I'd like to see this summer> The Brain Surgeons Well, I'm sure that, after an agonizing evening, you'll make the right decision! I found out that the Big Flats gig is BOC headlining a show with Molly Hatchet and jefferson Starship [with only Jack and Paul from the original band AFAIK] This could x the gig out of my plans if it means BOC plays a short set. Probably depends on how they do at It's Showtime the night before! Be cool to see 'em twice in 2 days though... From mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM Wed May 27 13:33:18 1998 From: mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM (Matthew Braun) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 12:33:18 CDT Subject: OFF: GODZILLA REVIEW In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 27 May 1998 05:00:38 CDT." <199805270900.FAA14560@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Jean Lansford writes: [that Nick English wrote] >>I'm by far not the most P.C. dude out there, but this movie also >>takes a serious stab at the French. >Hmm. I took much of it as stabs at the plastic, prepackaged American >culture. At least the French were shown as taking responsibility for their >actions. I agree. Yeah, the Frenchmen are shown as fussy about the food and coffee, but they're shown as clever and very competant operators--in fact, the most competant in the film. Most folks I know complained about the US armed services being painted with a gigantic Stupid Brush--everything from "There wouldn't be a colonel running that operation", to "Heat-seeking missles? Why not fly-by-wire or radar-guided or... They just wanted an excuse to blow up buildings, I guess." Nick English rants on: >BTW, I hate to just sit here being totally negative and whatnot...but >if anybody else has seen this movie, please back me up. It REALLY IS >HORRIBLE. Sorry--nope. Sure it wasn't high art, but it was better than "The Lost World", and possibly even "Jurassic Park". (I still laugh when I think of those baby 'zilla's slipping on the gumballs.) >On the one hand, it truly defames Godzilla in the eyes of the Zilla >fan. It takes everything we love about the ol' guy and jettisons it >for a total 90s big-budget Hollywood blockbuster feel. Ummm...what were you expecting? This has been hyped for a long time as The Big Summer Movie, and they're merchandising the living daylights out of it. For the last few years, The Big Movie has been more about money, merchandising, and tie-ins than about cinema. That's the way the summer movie biz works these days. >But on the other hand, if this weren't a Godzilla movie, it would still be >piss-poor. And rest assured, if you renamed it 'Big Green Lizard Attacks >New York' and changed the creature's name, I'll bet more people would >compare it to Jurassic Park than to Godzilla. (As if they're not comparing it the way it is...) But it also wasn't bad in the right ways to be a "traditional" Godzilla movie. Truth to tell, I don't think the vast majority of the audience cared how faithful it was to the old movies--they just wanted this to be a good movie. Sort of like Kubrick's "The Shining". Was it the same as Steven King's version? No, but it was good on its own merits, so that's okay. I mean, if they wanted to do a faithful adaptation, they could have started by removing all subtitles in the movie. All foreign dialog should have been dubbed. Badly. >Again, I sincerely believe there's actual merit to a Spielberg lawsuit! ...and they took the eggs from 'Alien'. And 'zilla even looked like an alien a little. And they got the weather from 'Blade Runner'. And the submarines came from 'The Hunt For Red October'. I can see where Spielberg might be mad that they did some of the scenes better than he did... >Anyway, I'll shut up about it unless I can add more to the dialogue >than just THIS MOVIE SUCKS THE BAG! I don't know--it was certainly no worse than JP or TLW. While this had plot holes you could drive a truck through, I'll take them over the colossally stupid characters with which Spielberg populated both of his dino movies. m@ (who thinks the scene in "Lost World" where Gymnast Girl(tm) does her swings on the parallel bars and kicks the raptor in the chin should have been replaced with one where she loses her grip, and falls to the floor, where she's quickly mauled by the raptors, and Jeff Goldblum muses, "I guess now we know why she didn't make the gymnastics team...") OBCD: Francis Dunnery, "Let's Go Do What Happens" From mordru at GEKKO.NET Wed May 27 13:51:23 1998 From: mordru at GEKKO.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 13:51:23 -0400 Subject: OFF: GODZILLA REVIEW Message-ID: >I don't know--it was certainly no worse than JP or TLW. While this had plot >holes you could drive a truck through, I'll take them over the colossally >stupid characters with which Spielberg populated both of his dino movies. Except those weren't Spielberg characters, they were Chrichton characters. And in the original book they were interesting, reasonable individuals. I guess it's hard to seperate some of the two, while they didn't live up to what the book JP (which I enjoyed) had them as, it's like a reference to a character you know there is more to. tLW, however, was pretty lame, I'll grant you that. But I place JP far above Godzilla. If for nothing else, the rendering stuff they were doing was new then. Now it's old, bordering on cliched... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at gekko.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From lansford at VNET.NET Wed May 27 14:09:14 1998 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 18:09:14 GMT Subject: OFF: GODZILLA REVIEW In-Reply-To: <199805271733.MAA23950@chestburster.urbana.css.mot.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 May 1998, Matthew Braun wrote: >Most folks I know complained about the US armed services being painted with >a gigantic Stupid Brush--everything from "There wouldn't be a colonel >running that operation", to "Heat-seeking missles? Why not fly-by-wire or >radar-guided or... They just wanted an excuse to blow up buildings, I guess." Not to mention that the chopper pilots were exhibiting two-dimensional thinking. And the general overconfidence the military displayed in their toys. >(I still laugh when I think of >those baby 'zilla's slipping on the gumballs.) One of the best parts of the movie. (Tells you how highly I thought of the movie. We were MST3K'ing it early on.) >While this had plot >holes you could drive a truck through, I'll take them over the colossally >stupid characters with which Spielberg populated both of his dino movies. You mean Crichton, don't you? I wasn't particularly impressed with the original book versions of the characters. Jean Lansford lansford at vnet.net http://users.vnet.net/lansford/ From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed May 27 14:44:04 1998 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trevor thoms) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 11:44:04 PDT Subject: hw: ICU gig/NEWSFLASH Message-ID: >>From owner-boc-l at listserv.spc.edu Fri May 22 05:27:41 1998 >Received: from listserv.spc.edu (listserv at listserv.spc.edu [192.107.46.113]) > by listserv.spc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.8/SPC-2.2-NORELAY) with ESMTP id IAA23191; > Fri, 22 May 1998 08:19:50 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from LISTSERV.SPC.EDU by LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release > 1.8b) with spool id 138770 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Fri, 22 May > 1998 08:19:49 -0400 >Received: from mailgate.spc.edu (root at mailgate.spc.edu [192.107.46.158]) by > listserv.spc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.8/SPC-2.2-NORELAY) with ESMTP id IAA23184 > for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 08:19:48 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from neodymium.btinternet.com (neodymium.btinternet.com > [194.73.73.83]) by mailgate.spc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/SPC-3.0-NORELAY) > with SMTP id IAA25695 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 > 08:19:45 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from default [195.99.63.188] by neodymium.btinternet.com with smtp > (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0ycqnD-00020k-00; Fri, 22 May 1998 13:19:23 +0100 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Priority: 3 (Normal) >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 >Importance: Normal >Message-ID: <000701bd857b$7d239f00$8b3f63c3 at default> >Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:16:46 +0100 >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >From: Andy Gilham >Subject: Re: hw: ICU gig/A. Gilham >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >In-Reply-To: <19980522115934.7164.qmail at hotmail.com> > >> >> Thanks for sending out those dates again Andy! >> >> Cheers >> Lori xx >> > >I'll even try and make it to the New Cross gig! :) > >- Andy > >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > NEWSFLASH -- Captain Sensible will be on bass for Friday's ICU show at the Albert, Trafalgar Street, Brighton. Terry Horbury our bass player let us down at last minute with no excuse for the Blandford Festival. (Will give out his address soon for interested parties to throw rocks threw his windows!!) We used Nik Turner's bass player and Nik joined us on vocals. It was a great show!! Too bad none of you lot have bothered to show up for any gigs! Lori ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From clemens at TRAIL.COM Wed May 27 14:40:11 1998 From: clemens at TRAIL.COM (Clemens) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 12:40:11 -0600 Subject: hawkwind items available Message-ID: Attached is a list of Hawkwind and related items for sale from a cyber-pal. Look it over. Items I gotten from him previously have been in great condition. Please help him out and help add to your collections. Contact him directly at phil at toms.net Mark Licht clemens at trail.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: hawkwind.txt Type: application/octet-stream Size: 4776 bytes Desc: hawkwind.txt (Text Document) URL: From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed May 27 14:51:25 1998 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trevor thoms) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 11:51:25 PDT Subject: ICU: So, did anyone go to the London gigs/you didn't Message-ID: >>From owner-boc-l at listserv.spc.edu Sun May 24 13:34:26 1998 >Received: from listserv.spc.edu (listserv at listserv.spc.edu [192.107.46.113]) > by listserv.spc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.8/SPC-2.2-NORELAY) with ESMTP id QAA02843; > Sun, 24 May 1998 16:31:46 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from LISTSERV.SPC.EDU by LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release > 1.8b) with spool id 139983 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Sun, 24 May > 1998 16:31:45 -0400 >Received: from mailgate.spc.edu (root at mailgate.spc.edu [192.107.46.158]) by > listserv.spc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.8/SPC-2.2-NORELAY) with ESMTP id QAA02836 > for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 16:31:44 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by > mailgate.spc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/SPC-3.0-NORELAY) with SMTP id QAA08557 > for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 16:31:37 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from (doremi.demon.co.uk) [194.222.37.243] by post.mail.demon.net > with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ydhQd-0000MX-00; Sun, 24 May 1998 > 21:31:35 +0100 >X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserv.spc.edu id > QAA02837 >Message-ID: <356a8360.23820946 at post.demon.co.uk> >Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 20:31:21 GMT >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >From: Steve Pond >Organization: Lanmark Solutions >Subject: ICU: So, did anyone go to the London gigs? >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > >Well, I was otherwise engaged, but I`d love to know if anyone went to >tRevs London gigs and what they thought of them.. > >-Steve >-www.doremi.co.uk > My opinion might be considered to be byist. I was surprised I did not see you at the shows with the heavy interest you have in the band. Best Lori ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed May 27 16:12:17 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 20:12:17 +0000 Subject: hw: ICU gig/NEWSFLASH Message-ID: On ons 27 maj 1998 11.44 +0000 "trevor thoms" wrote: > Too bad none of you lot have bothered > to show up for any gigs! Keep having them. I'd like to get down from Cambridge and see one sometime! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From mordru at GEKKO.NET Wed May 27 15:14:16 1998 From: mordru at GEKKO.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 15:14:16 -0400 Subject: hw: ICU gig/NEWSFLASH Message-ID: > Too bad none of you lot have bothered > to show up for any gigs! Well, there was this "Pond" in the way, and.... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at gekko.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From talger at PIPELINE.COM Wed May 27 15:48:50 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 15:48:50 -0400 Subject: OFF: GODZILLA REVIEW In-Reply-To: <199805271733.MAA23950@chestburster.urbana.css.mot.com> Message-ID: Matthew Braun said: >Most folks I know complained about the US armed services being painted with >a gigantic Stupid Brush--everything from "There wouldn't be a colonel >running that operation", to "Heat-seeking missles? Why not fly-by-wire or >radar-guided or... They just wanted an excuse to blow up buildings, I guess." > the US Military IS stupid.... I should know....... Ted ObCD - TeleVoid Original Soundtrack - Rockenfield/Speer From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed May 27 15:58:39 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 15:58:39 -0400 Subject: BOC: Live 1976 CD FS Message-ID: >Not to mention some of Albert's most savage drumming ever, and his reference to Little Richard in Cof... Yeah - "There's only one thing, One Thing, ONE THING (well, maybe that's 3). You got to Know! You gotta let that girl! Let That Girl! LET THAT GIRL . . . Rock and ROLL!" and "Yeah, there's only one thing . . . and Litle Richard told me!!" Too bad ya can't see that Tuxedo shirt on the CD (never mind the laser show - although you can hear the accompanying drum solo)... ;-) John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed May 27 16:02:32 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 16:02:32 -0400 Subject: BOC: Big Flats (was RE: Live 1976 CD FS) Message-ID: Don't know what the Surgeons touring plans are, but Albert did hint on AOL that they working on some dates for the summer (hints of Boston even - YAY!!). John PS: Cellsum will be releasing a new catalog very shortly - no new tBS disc yet (but later this year...), however some cool things, including a very special CD release of material by Helen Wheels - some of her older stuff, and also some stuff of hers with Helen backed by both the Brain Surgeons and the X Brothers. Ought to be tasty indeed... From lansford at VNET.NET Wed May 27 16:12:18 1998 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 20:12:18 GMT Subject: Harvest Moon Sighting! (Sounding?) Message-ID: The local rock station has finally discovered that there's new BOC music out. There =is= life in NC! (That I emailed them about it last night couldn't have anything to do with it, could it? ) Now if we can just arrange to get tBS played down here. Or a gig. Jean Lansford lansford at vnet.net http://users.vnet.net/lansford/ From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Wed May 27 17:16:38 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David Greenhalgh) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 22:16:38 +0100 Subject: HW: Private gig Message-ID: Stuart Hamilton wrote: > Come on then, you lot. Start volunteering. > > Zeit > I could be pursuadedDave > M Holmes wrote: > > > > What it would take though is a serious committee with folks on it > > accepting responsibility for organising their part of the thing. From > > talking to conrunners it can be a hard and sometimes thankless task, > > though they do all seem to enjoy themselves at the con despite the > > responsibility involved. There's also obviously some financial risk > > involved with the committee ultimately being responsible for the tab > > should things go south. > > > > > - Andy > > k > > FoFP > > -- > ====================================================== > One is currently shaking ones booty to; > THE INNOCENCE MISSION > TANKARD - Disco Destroyer > ====================================================== > E-zine: http://zeitgeist-scot.com/ > Personal e-mail: zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com > Check out the latest Record Hunter arrivals at > http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/hunter.html > RH e-mail: record.hunter at dial.pipex.com > ====================================================== From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Wed May 27 17:14:35 1998 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 22:14:35 +0100 Subject: HW: Private Gig In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, definitely count me in on this too! Is Dave taking ideas for a set list also?! - he says, leaning back, eyes rolled heavenward, dreaming of Dave, Lemmy, Huw, Bob, Simon and co working their way through this lot: Ejection Damnation Alley Wastelands Of Sleep Angels Of Death Uncle Sam's On Mars Rocky Paths Spirit Of The Age Shot Down In The Night Shadegate Mask Of Morning Utopia Living In The Future encore 1: Urban Guerilla encore 2: Assault & Battery/Golden Void encore 3: Brainstorm encore 4: encore 327: Levitation -- Mark Edmonds From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed May 27 16:34:23 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 21:34:23 +0100 Subject: Dubious accolade In-Reply-To: <000201bd856c$387fbe60$8b3f63c3@default> Message-ID: At 11:27 22/05/98 +0100, you wrote: >> Yup, BOC are in there :-) Note so happy about their peers >> though. The other >> bands listed were Spin Doctors, The Cars, Boston, and ... Bush :-P > >Wot, no Aqua? :) > >- Andy > >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham Watch out, my daughter will spifflicate you if you start doing down Aqua!!!! The anger of an 11 year old is not to be trifled with. ChrisW ObCD:Soulfood - "Breathe/Deeper" "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed May 27 16:54:53 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 21:54:53 +0100 Subject: OFF: Godzilla/Holiday In-Reply-To: <000001bd8818$55d5a7a0$863f63c3@default> Message-ID: At 21:04 25/05/98 +0100, you wrote: >> > Well, if you're from outside the United States, perhaps you don't know >> that >> > it's Memorial Day here, the unofficial beginning of summertime, and the >> > all-important backyard BBQ fest. >> > >> > But that doesn't explain the silence of the European crowd, >> >> Ancient pagan rituals? Late aftershock of the Eurovision Song Contest >> results? Music festivals?? Strikes? New Kelley Family album out (again)? > >Bank Holiday weekend and (in may case) ex-girlfriend trauma. The usual. >Didn't even make it to ICU :( > >- Andy > Scotland: Took the new girlfriend to meet my oldest friend; saw members of Britain's largest colony of natterjack toads (ribbit). ChrisW "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed May 27 20:04:42 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 17:04:42 -0700 Subject: OFF: DikMik in a box Message-ID: Yeah, I know that posts about musical equipment are of less interest to the 90% (?) non-musician populace of boc-l than posts about comix, Y&T or summer blockbuster movies are to me ;^), but this is something that Hawkwind fans (especially the non-musician ones) might want to check out, 'cause the message title comes from a comment made by one of the guys I was jamming with last weekend ... I recently obtained a little box called a "Triwave Picogenerator" from a guy in Illinois (USA) who makes guitar effect pedals and other electronic music equipment. Included within are two audio generators and three (hence "triwave") modulating LFO's (low-frequency oscillators) that can vary the pitch of the two audio generators. Although it looks a bit intimidating at first (there are 13 knobs, three buttons, and 3 LED indicators on it), it's remarkably easy to use, and definitely requires no musical knowledge whatsoever. Two of the knobs control the primary frequency of each of the two audio generators; with a little practice and a few flicks of the wrist, you'll be playing DikMik's part from "Electronic no.1". Three more knobs control the rates of the LFO's, which are displayed by the flashing LED's; at a slow speed, you can get long pitch sweeps (listen to the very beginning of Nik's 'SR94', before the drums come in), while at the highest rates, think "Shot Down In The Night" ('Live 79') or "Valium Ten" (on which you can hear LFO rates being adjusted from slow to fast). Six of the knobs control the amount by which each of the 3 LFO's modulates each of the 2 audio generators (3x2=6), ranging from a slight vibrato to radically wacked-out pitch sweeps. The last two knobs control the mix between the audio generators, and the overall volume. The three buttons each "reset" one of the LFO's. For instance, pressing and releasing the button for a LFO set to a slow rate gives a sound like, "WOOOOooooIIIIiiiiEEEEeeeeeeeeEEEEiiiiIIIIooooOOOOOOOOooooIIII...". By pressing and releasing, then waiting and re-pressing the button, this time holding it, you can get a sound like "WOOOOooooIIIIiiiiWOOOOOOOOOOOO...". And, by pressing and releasing the button, waiting, then repeating, the sound is like "WOOOOooooIIIIiiiiWOOOOooooIIIIiiiiWOOOOooooIIIIiiii..." (that's 3 releases of the button). There's a huge range of crazy sounds that can be created, many that go far beyond anything I've ever heard on a Hawkwind album! And in conjunction with other effect like delays, things just get crazier ... Easy to use - if you can operate a blender (yeah, I admit, it's more complicated than a toaster), then you can play the Triwave! And it costs less than US$150. For more information, including audio samples, check out: http://members.rotfl.com/soundshimmer/triwave.html or write Dan Green at: green at soon.com Note that I have no affiliation with the individual who designs, constructs and sells these devices. But I had to pass on this information because this is one of the coolest musical items I've ever bought, and anyone who's interested in creating Hawkwind-inspired electronic sounds, but doesn't want to (or can't afford to) shell out for a "vintage" analog synthesizer, should get one, too! -Doug ceres at sirius.com P.S. whoever's organizing a private HW performance/sci-fi convention can count on me for $50 if needed, even though I probably couldn't make it over to the UK :^( From makmorn at QIS.NET Wed May 27 20:42:17 1998 From: makmorn at QIS.NET (Daniel Ligon) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 20:42:17 -0400 Subject: OFF: GODZILLA REVIEW In-Reply-To: <199805271733.MAA23950@chestburster.urbana.css.mot.com>; from Matthew Braun on Wed, May 27, 1998 at 12:33:18PM -0600 Message-ID: On Wed, May 27, 1998 at 12:33:18PM -0600, Matthew Braun said: > Jean Lansford writes: > [that Nick English wrote] > >>I'm by far not the most P.C. dude out there, but this movie also > >>takes a serious stab at the French. > >Hmm. I took much of it as stabs at the plastic, prepackaged American > >culture. At least the French were shown as taking responsibility for their > >actions. > I agree. Yeah, the Frenchmen are shown as fussy about the food and coffee, > but they're shown as clever and very competant operators--in fact, the most > competant in the film. I thought the food scenes were pretty humorous myself, especially the way they made the cup of the "bad American coffee" look like it was from Starbucks. > Most folks I know complained about the US armed services being painted with > a gigantic Stupid Brush--everything from "There wouldn't be a colonel > running that operation", to "Heat-seeking missles? Why not fly-by-wire or > radar-guided or... They just wanted an excuse to blow up buildings, I guess." We have a 500 ton critter doing over 80 mph, and it's not throwing off any heat? Right. Godzilla should need to jump in the river just to cool off. And nobody can find Godzilla, despite the fact that he's radioactive? Doesn't the Army own any Geiger counters? -- Daniel Ligon makmorn at qis.net We are in the hands of infinite power and infinite sadism. -- _Inferno_ From Imagine911 at AOL.COM Wed May 27 20:50:41 1998 From: Imagine911 at AOL.COM (David Ramage) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 20:50:41 EDT Subject: BOC: boc email Message-ID: In a message dated 98-05-26 13:13:16 EDT, you write: << >> Anwar95 at aol.com From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed May 27 22:55:41 1998 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 12:55:41 +1000 Subject: HW: Private Gig Message-ID: On 26 May 98, at 19:33, SPRAWL wrote: > my mother has promised (of her own volition) to play HW at my funeral > should she outlive me. i'm looking forward to it. :-) The draft of my Will has "Golden Void" playing as I'm lowered into the ground ... seriously! Soniqu? -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed May 27 22:53:05 1998 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 12:53:05 +1000 Subject: HW: (Fwd) Hawkwind News Message-ID: On 26 May 98, at 10:28, Keith Henderson wrote: > Paul passes on the following... > > >but basically Dave is for the idea but doesn't think it's > >workable as it stands. > > Any particular reason?? Not exactly sure ... I think he just feels it needs to be "bigger" to work properly. I guess the band have lost money in the past and are keen to avoid that in the future ..... > >I'll leave the rest to Bernhard, except to say that 1000 "Hawkwind > >Passports" are now ready at "Mission Control", and they plan to do an > >"invite only" gig in Autumn for passport holders .... I guess it will be > >worth keeping an eye on their webpage from now ... > > Well, this kinda looks similar to what we were planning anyway, only a bit > larger scope, and not quite as exclusive. > > Figure this is in the UK, right? He didn't say where, but I imagine so > >The main reason for this post is some *actual* news. The new Hawkwind > >studio album is finished (with the exception of some final mixing), so we > >can expect to see it in the not too distant (horizon?) future .... I > >asked Dave what to expect and he laughed and said "new songs", so I guess > >we will all have to be surprised at the same time :) > > Hey, that sounds great! But I hope 'new' songs doesn't mean > newly-retitled songs. :) Tee hee .. I think we all agree with that! > >The US Space Rock comp CD has been mixed and sent to Strange Trips ... I > >imagine that it will be releaseed before the "Strange Daze" festival on > >August 14th (see attached flyer) > > Haven't heard about this...who will release it?? Is this studio tracks > from the various bands that played at SD97, or perhaps the live recordings > from then?? Perhaps a US T.A.T. of sorts? Dave first mentioned it to me in December last year, but hasn't said anything really about it ... just refers to it is the "US Space Rock" CD. I've been assuming it's from SD97 .... ask Jim! > >Dave has also almost completed his new solo album (one track to go), so I > >expect that will be out before too long as well. > > Is this the 76-96 thingy, or a totally new one?? >From the way he was talking, I'd say it's totally new. He said he still had one somg to record yet ..... > P.S. From what it sounds like, Dave is *not* really planning to slow down > to a crawl quite yet. Unless Jerry Richards and Ron Tree wrote all that > new material! He doesn't seem to have been sittinmg on his Laurels, that's for sure! > P.P.S. One other band that will be performing at SD'98 is 'Kid from > Cleveland' (from Cleveland, duh!), a band that apparently mixes in > originals with covers of Pink Floyd and the like. Interesting ... so who's setting up the live feed over the net??? Soniqu? (thinking wishfully) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed May 27 23:50:52 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:50:52 +0800 Subject: HW: Simon House Yassasim Message-ID: >On this cd, it lists no artists. Does Simon play all the instruments? >Thank you , > Yep. It's a solo LP in the true sense of the word. William From mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM Thu May 28 01:36:38 1998 From: mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM (Matthew Braun) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 00:36:38 CDT Subject: OFF: GODZILLA REVIEW In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 27 May 1998 23:16:31 CDT." <199805280316.XAA18534@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: When I wrote: >>While this had plot holes you could drive a truck through, I'll take them >>over the colossally stupid characters with which Spielberg populated both >>of his dino movies. Jean Lansford asked: >You mean Crichton, don't you? I wasn't particularly impressed with >the original book versions of the characters. While I haven't read the book, you're the first person I've heard say the book characters were lame. I'd heard the book ones were reasonable, and the movie ones (in comparison) dolts. and "Andrew A. Apold" said: >Except those weren't Spielberg characters, they were Chrichton characters. >And in the original book they were interesting, reasonable individuals. Granted. And it is for exactly that reason that I said what I said. If they are interesting in the book but not in the movie, are they the same characters? Crichton (book author) put interesting people in the book. If Spielberg (movie author--though not screenwriter) didn't put those dull people in the script, he made them dull with the film. Obviously, I can't definitively say who is responsibile for the changes, but I tend to place the ball of blame in Mr. Spielberg's court, because a) he was the director, and would've had Crichton make changes if he wasn't happy with the script, and b) because the movie contained certain Spielbergesque hallmarks (including the emphasis on Family Values(tm) that the plot also (apparently) acquired). The director is ultimately respons- ible for the content of a film, at least as much as the screenwriter. (Unless the studio insists on changes, or if (s)he's assigned to a movie (s)he doesn't really want to do--that's another case. It doesn't apply here anyway.) Spielberg wanted to do this movie, so I give him the raspberries. >I guess it's hard to seperate some of the two, while they didn't live up to >what the book JP (which I enjoyed) had them as, it's like a reference to a >character you know there is more to. A lot of people have told me that the book is considerably better than the movie. I haven't read the book, and IMHO, the film didn't really intimate that there WAS more to the characters than what was shown, and so I deem them dopey. :-) m@ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu May 28 04:08:43 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:08:43 +0100 Subject: BOC: More Birdman/BOC love-in stuff Message-ID: Listening to the Deniz Tek Group's excellent EP, "4-4: The Number of the Beat", anywhere there's a track called "My Wall", and Ijust caught the lyric "And Susie still wants to know where winds come from"... guess it really is Deniz's favourite song! - Andy OtherObCD: Chris Karrer - _The Mask_ mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu May 28 01:00:17 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 05:00:17 +0000 Subject: OFF: GODZILLA REVIEW Message-ID: > > I agree. Yeah, the Frenchmen are shown as fussy about the food and coffee, > > but they're shown as clever and very competant operators--in fact, the most > > competant in the film. > > I thought the food scenes were pretty humorous myself, especially the > way they made the cup of the "bad American coffee" look like it was > from Starbucks. I still say they did a hack job on the French. The coffee scenes made them look pretty prissy and sissy if you ask me. And the absolute stupidity of them chewing gum to 'look more American', and of Jean Reno not being able to do an American accent unless he's aping Elvis. This from the French Secret Service?! Also, someone mentioned that the movie shows the French 'taking responsibility for their actions'. Not so. If they were taking responsibility for Godzilla, they would have offered overt military help. Instead, they sent clandestine operatives to try to quietly get rid of the problem. Reno's character even says as much. Add to this the fact that very few people die in this film, and most of them are the French Secret Service dudes. Given how poorly the rest of this movie was written, I could believe that all this stuff was meant as innocent comic relief, not intended to detract from the French characters. But apparently, Devlin and Emmerich have little or no ability to write a logical, competent script. > > Most folks I know complained about the US armed services being painted with > > a gigantic Stupid Brush--everything from "There wouldn't be a colonel > > running that operation", to "Heat-seeking missles? Why not fly-by-wire or > > radar-guided or... They just wanted an excuse to blow up buildings, I guess." > > We have a 500 ton critter doing over 80 mph, and it's not throwing off > any heat? Right. Godzilla should need to jump in the river just to > cool off. > > And nobody can find Godzilla, despite the fact that he's radioactive? > Doesn't the Army own any Geiger counters? I totally agree with this. On the other hand, in light of India's 'surpise' nuclear testing, military intelligence is becoming more of an oxymoron every day! My addition to your criticisms is this: If you were faced with a Godzilla, would you send a stammering, half-incompetent field commander like the one played by Doug Savant to lead the troops into battle? -- Nick From richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK Thu May 28 04:54:50 1998 From: richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK (Cutting, Richard) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:54:50 +0100 Subject: HW: Private Gig === Message-ID: Count me in. I'll do whatever I can. Richard. > ---------- > From: Mark Edmonds[SMTP:mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: 27 May 1998 22:14 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: HW: Private Gig > > Hey, definitely count me in on this too! > > Is Dave taking ideas for a set list also?! - he says, leaning back, > eyes > rolled heavenward, dreaming of Dave, Lemmy, Huw, Bob, Simon and co > working their way through this lot: > > > Ejection > Damnation Alley > Wastelands Of Sleep > Angels Of Death > Uncle Sam's On Mars > Rocky Paths > Spirit Of The Age > Shot Down In The Night > Shadegate > Mask Of Morning > Utopia > Living In The Future > > encore 1: > Urban Guerilla > > encore 2: > Assault & Battery/Golden Void > > encore 3: > Brainstorm > > encore 4: > > > > encore 327: > Levitation > > -- > Mark Edmonds > *********************************************************************** LEGAL DISCLAIMER *********************************************************************** The contents of this email and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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If you have received this email in error please notify the Technology Department at Synopsys Ltd. on +44 171 250 1990. *********************************************************************** From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Thu May 28 05:32:12 1998 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:32:12 +0200 Subject: HW: Private gig Message-ID: OK folks It seems now that DAVE BROCK is interested to do such a gig and lot of fans from the LIST are interested as well to do something to realize this event Let's start to do serious things: PLEASE SEND YOUR MAIL TO MY PRIVATE ADDRESS (bernhard.pospiech at gelsenkirchen.netsurf.de) Each person should write down his 1st and second name, e-mail adress and what he wants/can do What I will do is to collect all the postings (money and job postings) and informations and keep the LIST and of course especially the volunteers informed I am starting: Here it goes Name: Bernhard Pospiech E-Mail: bernhard pospiech at gelsenkirchen.netsurf.de Job: Coordination In a 2nd mail all the folks who wants to pay money for this special event should write a mail to my private address as follows: Name: Bernhard Pospiech E-Mail: bernhard pospiech at gelsenkirchen.netsurf.de Money: 50 US$ Thanks Bernhard From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu May 28 06:28:33 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:28:33 +0100 Subject: BOC: Astoria Message-ID: OK, probably time to fix meeting arrangements for next week's gig, especially as I've tickets for two of you! How about the Angel in St Giles High St - assuming it hasn't been demolished or turned into a gay disco - at, I dunno, 6 or 6:30? To find it, use http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?grid2map?X=529750&Y=181250, - the cross for the church is right next door, obviously enough, or if you insist I can post directions. The support act is sHeavy (sic), apparently (according to Time Out) a "mightily revered psychedelic rock band from Canada" so we might want to check them out. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu May 28 08:02:08 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 12:02:08 +0000 Subject: HW: Funereal HW Message-ID: On tor 28 maj 1998 12.55 +1000 Soniqu? wrote: > The draft of my Will has "Golden Void" playing as I'm lowered into the ground > ... seriously! My choice is "Time We Left (This World Today" :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu May 28 07:12:42 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 12:12:42 +0100 Subject: HW: Funereal HW In-Reply-To: <89337.3105345728@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 12:02 28/05/98 +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >On tor 28 maj 1998 12.55 +1000 Soniqu? wrote: >> The draft of my Will has "Golden Void" playing as I'm lowered into the ground >> ... seriously! > > My choice is "Time We Left (This World Today" :) > How about "Out of the Shadows"? Dave. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu May 28 08:16:27 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 12:16:27 +0000 Subject: BOC: Astoria Message-ID: On tor 28 maj 1998 11.28 +0100 "Andy Gilham" wrote: > OK, probably time to fix meeting arrangements for next week's gig, > especially as I've tickets for two of you! How about the Angel in St Giles > High St - assuming it hasn't been demolished or turned into a gay disco - > at, I dunno, 6 or 6:30? To find it, use > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?grid2map?X=529750&Y=181250, - the > cross for the church is right next door, obviously enough, or if you insist > I can post directions. Sounds good. > The support act is sHeavy (sic), apparently (according to Time Out) a > "mightily revered psychedelic rock band from Canada" so we might want to > check them out. They are and we do. Well, I do anyway :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu May 28 07:20:39 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 04:20:39 PDT Subject: HW: Funereal HW Message-ID: = wrote: >> The draft of my Will has "Golden Void" playing as I'm lowered into the ground >> ... seriously! > > My choice is "Time We Left (This World Today" :) > >-- >Carl Edlund Anderson This is just getting silly, but I have two songs stuck in a letter sealed in a bank for just this purpose, and my pieces of music for the queues of people edging past my coffin whilst I lie in state are.... "Time Speaks with Golden Tongue" Screaming Trees "Master of the Universe" HW "(Then came the) Last Days of May" BOC ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Thu May 28 07:21:00 1998 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 12:21:00 +0100 Subject: Both: Funereal HW BOC:Astoria Message-ID: ..or Angels of Death The Demise Watching the Grass Grow Sleep of a Thousand Tears Born to Go Dealin' with the Devil Arrival in Utopia BOC: anyone willing to meet one latecomer somewhere inside ? yeah, yeah I knbow its dark, and there may be a few folk milling around, but still... Neil. From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu May 28 07:30:05 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 04:30:05 PDT Subject: HW: Funereal HW Message-ID: >This is just getting silly, but I have two songs stuck in a letter >sealed in a bank for just this purpose, Urm....I meant three.... C. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu May 28 07:57:53 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 12:57:53 +0100 Subject: Both: Funereal HW BOC:Astoria In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 28 May 1998 12:21:00 BST." <199805281121.MAA09905@achemar.gatwick.Geco-Prakla.slb.com> Message-ID: > > BOC: anyone willing to meet one latecomer somewhere inside ? yeah, yeah I knbow > its dark, and there may be a few folk milling around, but still... Well I expect one of us (maybe me) will be resplendent in the BOC-L t-shirt livery, so keep yer eyes sharp. They're pretty obvious to spot. Round the bar area is a likely place :) So whats the tally of boc-lers for wednesday then ? cheers Tim From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu May 28 08:04:03 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:04:03 +0100 Subject: HW: Funereal HW In-Reply-To: <19980528112039.13180.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: Wot, no "Don't Fear the Reaper"? Leave me on the cliffs for the vultures, like the Zoroastrians used to do, but listen to anything by the New Christs! "You'll Never Catch My Wave" might be good start. Or "From On High". Yeah, definitely "From On High". And "In State". PS Neil, look, it's going to be tough to meet anyone in there, but tell us what you'll be wearing and hang around the bar and we'll stand a chance! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Horse Whisperer > Sent: 28 May 1998 12:21 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: HW: Funereal HW > > > = wrote: > >> The draft of my Will has "Golden Void" playing as I'm lowered into > the ground > >> ... seriously! > > > > My choice is "Time We Left (This World Today" :) > > > >-- > >Carl Edlund Anderson > > This is just getting silly, but I have two songs stuck in a letter > sealed in a bank for just this purpose, and my pieces of music for the > queues of people edging past my coffin whilst I lie in state are.... > "Time Speaks with Golden Tongue" Screaming Trees > "Master of the Universe" HW > "(Then came the) Last Days of May" BOC > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Thu May 28 08:34:53 1998 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:34:53 +0100 Subject: HW: Funereal HW Message-ID: Subject: Re: HW: Funereal HW >This is just getting silly, but.... True, but it`s interesting to see so many people have thought about it. Personally I have arranged to have Aice Cooper`s 'I Love The Dead` played. Friends will get the joke instantly and the family will be horrified which I would have loved to see but will, I suppose, be other wise engaged at the time! Si ----- "I`ve got 'some' answers to 'most' of your questions!" The Alice Cooper Trivia File - http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/intro.html From richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK Thu May 28 08:54:31 1998 From: richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK (Cutting, Richard) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:54:31 +0100 Subject: HW: Funereal HW === Message-ID: How about 'Back in the Box' or depending upon how you snuff it 'Assasins of Allah', 'TV Suicide' or 'Shot Down in the Night'. Richard. > ---------- > From: Si Halley[SMTP:sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: 28 May 1998 13:34 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: HW: Funereal HW > > Subject: Re: HW: Funereal HW > > > > >This is just getting silly, but.... > > True, but it`s interesting to see so many people have thought about > it. > Personally I have arranged to have Aice Cooper`s 'I Love The Dead` > played. > Friends will get the joke instantly and the family will be horrified > which I > would have loved to see but will, I suppose, be other wise engaged at > the > time! > > Si > > ----- > "I`ve got 'some' answers to 'most' of your questions!" > The Alice Cooper Trivia File - > http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/intro.html > *********************************************************************** LEGAL DISCLAIMER *********************************************************************** The contents of this email and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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If you have received this email in error please notify the Technology Department at Synopsys Ltd. on +44 171 250 1990. *********************************************************************** From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Thu May 28 09:57:19 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:57:19 +0000 Subject: HW: Videos In-Reply-To: <199805151611.MAA01385@dogberry> Message-ID: Hi Stephen, >I'm curious if you've got any tips for videoing a band together with light >show. >The obviuos problem I'm aware of is that a lot of light show elements >(projectors etc.)only >start to show up/stand out in low light.Fine for the human eye, >but Lower light than most video cameras would like. > >I'm just getting into doing light shows, and would like to video them, so >got any good tips ? Sorry that I've been so long in getting back to you, I've extremely busy recently. Heres a few tips: Firstly, audio: If you can QC the quality of the audio from the mixing desk during soudcheck, the chances are that it will be better than the camera's built-in mike. I tend to take along to most gigs, quite a bunch of hardware, including, two Hi8 cameras, a stereo Hi8 video deck, a DAT recorder, an audio mixer, a whole bunch of leads an a tripod In so far as the sound goes, I'll run two of my own cables, each abut 30ft long, with 1/4" plugs on each end, to the mixing desk on one end, and my own audio mixer on the other (via 1/4"-phono adapters). I also keep handy some 1/4"-XLR adapters too, in case the desk has XLR output. The reason that I use my own audio mixer, is that it has VU levels, so that I can chech the audio levels, and it also has three audio outputs. One of the outputs goes to the Hi8 deck, the second goes to the DAT machine, an the third is used as spare possibly to a cassette deck or another video deck. Once, I tried to mix the camera's mike sound with the mixing desk sound, but it wasn't as good as just mixing-desk sound by itself. I also have some leads that I bought from Tandy which step down an aux/cd level signal to a microphone level signal, so that I can run the sound from the mixing desk back into the camera via the external mike socket, essentially producing a stereo Hi8 master, identical to the from the Hi8 deck - except that these cables can pick up a bit of 50hz hum (shielding with tin-foil helps). If you leave the camera with its in-built mike sound though, you will then have the choice of mixing desk or mike sound. The DAT player is handy for filling in any drop-outs that can occur with Hi8 soundtacks. All the HW gigs that I have filmed have been with just one camera, but I've filmed Porcupine Tree a few times, with a second roving camers at the front, being operated by a friend - one dayI'll get round to doing a final video mix of the two camera tapes. Now, some top tips for the visuals: 1: USE A TRIPOD. Hand held video results on there own look like the worst bootleg videos. 2: Most important of all, is have the camera locked to manual focussing. Flashing lights can confuse the infra red auto-focussing system, and if you're say fifty feet or more from the stage, once the camera is in focus, it generally won't need adjusting even if you are zooming in and out. 3: Set the shutter speed and the aperture also to fixed sizes rather than auto exposure. I tend to go for the slowest shutter speed (1/50th) on my camera) and set the aperture to F2(ODb distortion). Any wider than that will tend to cause bits that are supposed to be black to be rather fuzzy on playback. If you camera has a backlight adjustment switch, experiment to see which is best, otherwise (if in doubt) leave it normal. These switches are usually best when used in conjunction with fluorescant white lights. This seems to be the best for HW where the lights are not mega bright, but even during the brighter parts of the shows, the results are still pretty good. The best way of checking, is to have a small portable TV, or a proper video monitor to QC the visuals. 4: Decide what your priority is for filming. The band members themselves, or the actual lightshow itself. If you recall the Teepee tour (1992) the band had fine gause stretched acros in front of the stage onto which the lightshow was projected, for some superb effects. (I remember especially 7 by 7 / Mask of Morning being superb!) Generally, (esp with HW) the lightshow makes up about 80% of the resulting video. Maybe make the best of both. Zoom in for close ups of the group, and keep pulled back for the lightshow. Zooming in/out whilst panning and then unzooming is a great way of moving from one part of the stage to another, without obviously just moving the view from one side to another. 5: If you are running with just the camera on its own, using batteries, then use the manual zoom controll. The motorised controll uses up an awfull lot of power. Have plenty of spare batteries, and if you know that each one will last for 45mins, then change it at around 30mins in between tracks. 6: Likewise, use the longest tapes that you can find, (I use Sony Hi8 ME120); however, it is best to get a copy of the set list with the encore so that you can judge when to change tpaes and batteries. (I've rigged up a battery pack that can take 6 D-cell batteries, and using Duracell, I can get the camera to last for up to 4 hours.) Some of the more modern cameras can last for quite a long time though. 7: Take a pen, a roll of gaffer tape, sticky labels for the tapes which should be labelled either before they are used or immediately they come out of the camera, but most important of all, take a small torch so that you dcan see what the hell you're doing when you are changing tapes and batteries - I use a caving light on a headband with a battery pack. A set of enclosed-type headphones (cans!)is usefull too, so that you can check the sound on every piece of equipment that has a headphone socket! Hope this is of some use to you, Best wishes, Guy Thomas From mordru at GEKKO.NET Thu May 28 09:05:11 1998 From: mordru at GEKKO.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:05:11 -0400 Subject: HW: Funereal HW Message-ID: >On tor 28 maj 1998 12.55 +1000 Soniqu? wrote: >> The draft of my Will has "Golden Void" playing as I'm lowered into the ground >> ... seriously! > > My choice is "Time We Left (This World Today" :) Hmmm, "Dead God's Homecoming"? nah, title works, track don't... Styx "Don't let it end" for about two bars, ending abruptly... just kidding. Seriously... I'd probably settle for 'The Great Sun Jester' (joker of the universe) followed by Water's "Goodbye, Cruel World" at the very end... There's an Aiwa commercial currently playing in which a guy driving a car pops in Queen's "Another One Bites the Dust" and cranks it up really loud on his car stereo. People drive by (you see from inside the car) and just stare, aghast. Then the camera pulls away and you see that it's a hearse... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at gekko.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Thu May 28 19:11:34 1998 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:11:34 +1000 Subject: HW: Private Gig Message-ID: At 12:55 28/05/98 +1000, Soniqu? wrote: >On 26 May 98, at 19:33, SPRAWL wrote: > >> my mother has promised (of her own volition) to play HW at my funeral >> should she outlive me. i'm looking forward to it. > >:-) > >The draft of my Will has "Golden Void" playing as I'm lowered into the ground >... seriously! > Utopia '84 would be more appropriate....depends on what your Heaven is like! Troy =========================================== Troy Harris fiskare at webconcept.com.au From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu May 28 09:06:44 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 14:06:44 +0100 Subject: HW: Videos In-Reply-To: LN1GJT's message of Thu, 28 May 1998 13:57:19 +0000 Message-ID: LN1GJT writes: > Now, some top tips for the visuals: > > 1: USE A TRIPOD. Hand held video results on there own look like the worst > bootleg videos. That wasn't your camera that fell on the tripod just in front of me at the Brixton gig a few years back? P.S. Have we met? Or alternatively do you remember a short blond drunk scotsman at several Hawkwind gigs in the 90's? FoFP From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Thu May 28 10:09:55 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 14:09:55 +0000 Subject: HW: Funereal HW In-Reply-To: <000301bd8a30$b5141f20$873f63c3@default> Message-ID: I'm afraid you've all beaten me to the obvious choices of trax, but seeing as I'm gonna be cremated, and I DO like Arthur Brown - there's only one choice! (In fact, so obvious, Im not even going to mention it!) I don't like the Doors so I won't mention their obvious song. I did used to like Slade's "Slade in Flame" LP though, back in 1975! Actually I rather like Motorhead too, so owsabout "Killed by Death!" Guy Thomas From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Thu May 28 11:20:17 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 15:20:17 +0000 Subject: HW: Videos In-Reply-To: <199805281306.OAA09725@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: FoFP writes: >That wasn't your camera that fell on the tripod just in front of me at >the Brixton gig a few years back? > >P.S. Have we met? Or alternatively do you remember a short blond drunk >scotsman at several Hawkwind gigs in the 90's? Howdy! I filmed at Brixton Acadamy in 1992 (centre balcony upstairs), 1993 between the front of the lighting rig and the mixing desk - that was the gig where they mimed to the remix of Spirit of the Age for their second encore - superb laser lightshow though! - and yes, I think I do recall a pissed Scotsman collapsing into me there - or was it at Borehamwood 1995! I bet you weren't as drunk as me and my sister at Brixton Acadamy though in 1995. I was the tall blond Welshman (I wasn't filming here, the band asked Jetisounds to come in with all their fancy Betacam gear resulting in the Alien Video.) I may be biased here, but I reckon that my Slough 93 vid, and Borehamwood 95 are miles better than the last two official releases! There still hasn't been an official release of the Business Trip on Video, so everyone do a bit of campaigning, and lets se if we can't get it released - maybe as a limited edition amongst subscribers to BOC-L Gigs that I've been to in the 90's are: 1990 Hammersmith Odeon (Both nights) 1991 The pavillion, Hemmel Hempstead (Photographed) 1992 Brighton 1992 Hemmel Hempstead (Videoed) 1992 Hammersmith Odeon (Photographed) 1992 Reading University (Videoed) 1992 Brixton Acadamy (Videoed - one of the cameras of the Taste video) 1992 Kilburn National Ballroom (Videoed) 1993 Truro County Hall (Videoed) I was on hols at the time in Cornwall! 1993 Agincourt Club Camberely (Videoed) 1993 Brixton Acadamy (Videoed) 1994 Brixton Fridge (Videoed) 1995 Borehamwood (Videoed) 1995 Brixtom Acadamy (Drunk) Haven't seen them since. Best regards Guy Thomas PS I know you won't tell, but what does FoFP stand for? From HarrisonL1 at CARDIFF.AC.UK Thu May 28 15:52:06 1998 From: HarrisonL1 at CARDIFF.AC.UK (Luke Harrison) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 15:52:06 GMT0BST Subject: HW: Funereal HW === In-Reply-To: <9982B019DCFDD0118EF700A0C944C9AC6AA50F@SYN1MX2> Message-ID: As a final cosmic joke I've always fancied making the congregation sit through all four sides of "Tales from Topographic Oceans" by Yes at my funeral. Or would that be too cruel? From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu May 28 10:58:29 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 15:58:29 +0100 Subject: HW: Videos In-Reply-To: LN1GJT's message of Thu, 28 May 1998 15:20:17 +0000 Message-ID: LN1GJT writes: > FoFP writes: > > >That wasn't your camera that fell on the tripod just in front of me at > >the Brixton gig a few years back? > > > >P.S. Have we met? Or alternatively do you remember a short blond drunk > >scotsman at several Hawkwind gigs in the 90's? > > Howdy! > > I filmed at Brixton Acadamy in 1992 (centre balcony upstairs), 1993 between the > front of the lighting rig and the mixing desk - that was the gig where they > mimed to the remix of Spirit of the Age for their second encore - superb laser > lightshow though! Yep, I was there. A camera on the balcony, right of centre as you looked at the stage, slowly collapsed a few feet in front of me and I managed to catch the damn thing before it hit anything. Presumably that was you who arrived on the scene? Tall guy, longish blond hair? If so, I've chatted to you at a number of gigs since then. I vaguely remember some chat at Oxford(?) about how Brock wasn't so friendly to fans as he used to be? > - and yes, I think I do recall a pissed Scotsman collapsing into me > there - or was it at Borehamwood 1995! I bet you weren't as drunk as > me and my sister at Brixton Acadamy though in 1995. Oh, I wouldn't bet on it ;-) > I was the tall > blond Welshman (I wasn't filming here, the band asked Jetisounds to > come in with all their fancy Betacam gear resulting in the Alien > Video.) I may be biased here, but I reckon that my Slough 93 vid, and > Borehamwood 95 are miles better than the last two official releases! But you can't release those to any of us? > There still hasn't been an official release of the Business Trip on > Video, so everyone do a bit of campaigning, and lets se if we can't > get it released - maybe as a limited edition amongst subscribers to > BOC-L I think that would be VERY VERY good. > Gigs that I've been to in the 90's are: > 1990 Hammersmith Odeon (Both nights) Nope, I missed that one. > 1991 The pavillion, Hemmel > Hempstead I went to Glasgow, York, Cardiff and Wolverhampton that year. >1992 Brighton > 1992 Hemmel Hempstead (Videoed) > 1992 Hammersmith Odeon (Photographed) > 1992 Reading University Edinburgh, Manchester, Liverpool, Hammersmith, Milton Keynes, Brixton and Glasgow > (Videoed) 1992 Brixton Acadamy (Videoed - one of the cameras of the > Taste video) 1992 Kilburn National Ballroom (Videoed) 1993 Truro > County Hall (Videoed) I was on hols at the time in Cornwall! 1993 > Agincourt Club Camberely (Videoed) 1993 Brixton Acadamy (Videoed) Yup. > 1994 > Brixton Fridge (Videoed) Yup, though I thought I'd seen you at Oxford the following night but then I had a long night talking Steve I. down from a bad trip from something he ate. > 1995 Borehamwood (Videoed) 1995 Brixtom > Acadamy (Drunk) Yup. Yeah, I reckon we have chatted a few times. I even have your sometime phone number somewhere. > Guy Thomas > PS I know you won't tell, but what does FoFP stand for? A Friend of Fernando Poo From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Thu May 28 11:27:32 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:27:32 -0400 Subject: HW: Funereal HW === Message-ID: On a related strand, I called up my local radio station several times this month and requested Don't Fear the Reaper and dedicated it to my Mother in Law. Why do I do these things? I do whatever the voices in my head tell me to do. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu May 28 11:29:42 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:29:42 -0400 Subject: Harvest Moon Sighting! (Sounding?) Message-ID: Jean: What station played Harvest Moon (call letters and frequency)? I'll update my website if it's not already on there. John From goran.janicijevic at INFORMA.MK Thu May 28 11:30:33 1998 From: goran.janicijevic at INFORMA.MK (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 15:30:33 GMT Subject: BOC: Pumpkins are fans? Message-ID: > This might not be news to everyone, but I was recently told that > there is a Smashing Pumpkins import bootleg titled 'A Tribute to > BOC'. I think they do one BOC cover on the disc, and I think it's > Godzilla. Just thought some super-serious collectors out there might > want to search it out and add it to the collection, along with their > Blotto and Jim Carroll band records. Quote from the BOC FAQ: "There exists a "live import" CD recording of the band, The Smashing Pumpkins, titled *Tribute To BOC*. The CD's recording was made on February 9th, 1991 in Cambridge, Massachusetts. The recording contains mostly songs written by the Smashing Pumpkins, but includes a cover of BOC's "Godzilla". In addition a Smashing Pumpkins show in Hoboken, New Jersey on February 8th, 1991 also contained a cover of "Godzilla", and this performance is captured on two Smashing Pumpkins "live import" recordings - *Man Of Light* and *Retrospective*." From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Thu May 28 11:37:56 1998 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 16:37:56 +0100 Subject: BOC: Astoria In-Reply-To: <000201bd8a23$5dac3fe0$873f63c3@default> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 May 1998, Andy Gilham wrote: > OK, probably time to fix meeting arrangements for next week's gig, > especially as I've tickets for two of you! How about the Angel in St Giles > High St - assuming it hasn't been demolished or turned into a gay disco - > at, I dunno, 6 or 6:30? OK, I'll be there nearer 6.30 than 6. To find it, use > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?grid2map?X=529750&Y=181250 Got it. If I'm delayed, it's because I stopped to look in the windows of some of those nearby guitar shops... > The support act is sHeavy (sic), apparently (according to Time Out) a > "mightily revered psychedelic rock band from Canada" so we might want to > check them out. Depends on the quality of the beer in the Angel! I've only ever seen 2 decent support acts for BOC - Motorhead and Girlschool. - Mike Godwin Important PS How will I recognise you? From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu May 28 11:56:38 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:56:38 EDT Subject: BOC: Astoria In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: M R Godwin > Subject: Re: BOC: Astoria > > > The support act is sHeavy (sic), apparently (according to Time Out) a > > "mightily revered psychedelic rock band from Canada" so we might want to > > check them out. > > Depends on the quality of the beer in the Angel! I've only ever seen 2 > decent support acts for BOC - Motorhead and Girlschool. > Hmm...I saw Girlschool open for them as well. Also saw opening. so I guess you're right! theo .................. "...Cause it makes me mad, And I get evil as a man can be." --A.K. ............................... From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu May 28 12:20:07 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:20:07 PDT Subject: HW: Funereal HW === Message-ID: >I called up my local radio station several times this month and requested >Don't Fear the Reaper and dedicated it to my Mother in Law. > >Why do I do these things? >I do whatever the voices in my head tell me to do. > You are now official Mad Scientist of the Week. Coooooooooool. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu May 28 12:19:32 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:19:32 +0100 Subject: BOC: Astoria In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Important PS How will I recognise you? > There are some snaps of me on my web-page, which may help! Otherwise I'll probably wear my Wayne Kramer T-shirt. Or perhaps the Roky Erickson... :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From arjanh at CS.VU.NL Thu May 28 12:25:32 1998 From: arjanh at CS.VU.NL (Hulsebos A) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 18:25:32 +0200 Subject: HW: Funereal HW === In-Reply-To: "Hall, Russell J" "Re: HW: Funereal HW ===" (May 28, 11:27am) Message-ID: On May 28, 11:27am, Hall, Russell J wrote: >On a related strand, > >I called up my local radio station several times this month and requested >Don't Fear the Reaper and dedicated it to my Mother in Law. > >Why do I do these things? >I do whatever the voices in my head tell me to do. Wow, better keep those voices there in check! Flaming Telepaths would also be (somewhat) appropriate (especially the Joke's on you ending), altho I'm personally charmed by the 13th track of the Almighty's Cranck CD.... [For those who don't have the CD, there are 12 tracks listed. The 13th one is guitar-feedback with a nice-and-peaceful piano motiff.] Cheers, Arjan H From mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM Thu May 28 12:36:26 1998 From: mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM (Matthew Braun) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:36:26 CDT Subject: Subject: Re: OFF: GODZILLA REVIEW In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 28 May 1998 05:00:42 CDT." <199805280900.FAA21090@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Nick English writes: >I still say they did a hack job on the French. The coffee scenes made >them look pretty prissy and sissy if you ask me. And the absolute >stupidity of them chewing gum to 'look more American', Sorry, dude, that's a jape at the Americans, not the French. The French agents looked like they lost 2 digits' worth of IQ points when they started chewing that gum. They fit right in w/the Americans. :-) >and of Jean Reno not being able to do an American accent unless he's aping >Elvis. Maybe the idea that he could acquire a passable American accent from Elvis movies was to be so absurd that it was funny. (Now if they'd said Jerry Lewis Movies, that'd be insulting the French. But Elvis? That's funny.) >Add to this the fact that very few people die in >this film, and most of them are the French Secret Service dudes. That's not true--the US lost a whole submarine crew, countless helicopter crewmen. The French Secret Service lost maybe 6 guys in the attack on the eggs. >Given how poorly the rest of this movie was written, I could believe >that all this stuff was meant as innocent comic relief, not intended >to detract from the French characters. I tend to think it was. >But apparently, Devlin and Emmerich have little or no ability to write a >logical, competent script. And in Hollywood, this may in fact be a boon instead of a handicap. :-) m@ From lansford at VNET.NET Thu May 28 12:51:11 1998 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 16:51:11 GMT Subject: OFF: GODZILLA REVIEW In-Reply-To: <19980528085418.AAA7523@[208.214.94.94]> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 May 1998, Nick English wrote: >I still say they did a hack job on the French. The coffee scenes made >them look pretty prissy and sissy if you ask me. Happily eating crappy food on a stakeout is an American TV stereotype. I got a laugh at seeing it turned on its head like that. And it reminded me of Bond's gourmet appetites. >And the absolute >stupidity of them chewing gum to 'look more American', and of Jean >Reno not being able to do an American accent unless he's aping Elvis. >This from the French Secret Service?! Didn't believe these for a minute. Reno's character (Phillippe?) was having fun with his new American friend. >Also, someone mentioned that >the movie shows the French 'taking responsibility for their actions'. >Not so. If they were taking responsibility for Godzilla, they would >have offered overt military help. Instead, they sent clandestine >operatives to try to quietly get rid of the problem. Reno's character >even says as much. They're still doing =something=. I find covert action far more believable than overt action in the situation. >Add to this the fact that very few people die in >this film, and most of them are the French Secret Service dudes. Very few die visibly. We were making death estimates every time the monster's tail hit a building. Whoops, there goes another floor full of people. >Given how poorly the rest of this movie was written, I could believe >that all this stuff was meant as innocent comic relief, not intended >to detract from the French characters. But apparently, Devlin and >Emmerich have little or no ability to write a logical, competent >script. After ID4 I had no expectations of a movie that could be taken seriously. Where it failed for me was the lack of an adrenalin rush until after I was already heartily bored. >My addition to your criticisms is this: > >If you were faced with a Godzilla, would you send a stammering, >half-incompetent field commander like the one played by Doug Savant >to lead the troops into battle? In a peacetime Army, it wouldn't surprise me at all. It always takes a while to shake out the officers who are only qualified on paper for the job they're assigned. Jean Lansford lansford at vnet.net http://users.vnet.net/lansford/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu May 28 14:07:31 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 18:07:31 +0000 Subject: OFF: much ado in Cambridge (UK) Message-ID: First off, it looks like I'm having a party and jam session around mine in Cambridge (UK) on 13 June. Anyone who can make it is welcome :) And for those in striking distance with nothing to do on the 10th: Just in case anyone can make it ... On tis 19 maj 1998 21.48 +0100 "David Tyler" wrote: > Announcing: > The RockSoc May Brawl > > ACRIMONY > EPITOME > ROME BURNS > > Wednesday June 10th > at The Cellar Bar > Just off Napier Street > Round the back of the Grafton Centre -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu May 28 13:26:35 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 12:26:35 -0500 Subject: OFF: Ob - Bands I'd like to see this summer Message-ID: >ob Band I'd like to see this summer> The Brain Surgeons ob Band I'd like to see this summer> King's X Ghost in the Ruins From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu May 28 13:29:10 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 12:29:10 -0500 Subject: OFF: Snail Mail Message-ID: Sorry denizens, Ted Alger your adress ain't on my system. Please "e" your snail mail address, tapes are starting to burn my fingers. Thanks. Now back to "zilla, private gigs and whatever... Ghost in the Ruins OBCD - Devil in the Details, Saigon Kick From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Thu May 28 14:52:45 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 19:52:45 +0100 Subject: BOC: Astoria In-Reply-To: <000401bd8a54$65a46340$873f63c3@default> Message-ID: At 17:19 28/05/98 +0100, you wrote: >> >> Important PS How will I recognise you? >> > >There are some snaps of me on my web-page, which may help! Otherwise I'll >probably wear my Wayne Kramer T-shirt. Or perhaps the Roky Erickson... :) > >- Andy And I'll probably have my trusty "Cerebus" T on! ChrisW "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu May 28 16:11:43 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 20:11:43 +0000 Subject: BOC: Astoria Message-ID: >>There are some snaps of me on my web-page, which may help! Otherwise I'll >>probably wear my Wayne Kramer T-shirt. Or perhaps the Roky Erickson... :) >> >>- Andy > > And I'll probably have my trusty "Cerebus" T on! Nethawks, I. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Thu May 28 15:35:59 1998 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 12:35:59 PDT Subject: BOC: Big Flats Gig Message-ID: Hi Kids! Theo Said: >>Anybody [Torgo, Brian?] get more details about Big Flats or New hartford gigs while I was gone? No, and it's starting to bug me. I found a phone number on the 'net for the bunch that is putting on the Big Flats gig, but whenever I call them I get an answering machine. I leave a message but they never call me back. It's enough to piss off the Pope, I tell ya. Anyway, if anyone else likes to play with telephones and be ignored in return, the number I have is... (607) 562-7683 Would like to find out where this SUMMER SOUND STAGE is, as I don't know much about Big Flats. I know where Showtime is, so more and more I will use that gig as a backup. Molly Hatchet and Jefferson Starship? OK, Hatchet I can froog to pretty well. Starship? Excuse me.... my corn flakes are not sitting too well suddenly. :^) Oh, and I heard somewhere that Godzilla sucks. Anyone else hear anything about that? ;^) Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** Torgo at norwich.net DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos Palace: Galaxystation.com PORT-9998 *********************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu May 28 15:46:10 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 15:46:10 -0400 Subject: BOC: More Birdman/BOC love-in stuff Message-ID: >Listening to the Deniz Tek Group's O.K., I'm confused - what's this have to do with Radio Birdman? I'm not familiar with Deniz Tek Group. But, this is a cool reference that will have to get into the next version of the FAQ. John From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Thu May 28 15:59:14 1998 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 19:59:14 GMT Subject: ICU: So, did anyone go to the London gigs/you didn't In-Reply-To: <19980527185127.18802.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 May 1998 11:51:25 PDT, you sent through the ether: >My opinion might be considered to be byist. I was surprised I did not >see you at the shows with the heavy interest you have in the band. I had work related stuff to do is all.. I blew out Mick Stupps gig at the Acoustic Cafe and The Tiger Lillies (My fave live band) new album launch show the same night. And for what it`s worth I don`t have a heavy interest in the band, Trev will remain the best guitarist i`ve ever seen but his version of ICU doesn`t play on the elements that I found appealing in the original band, I`ll come see him sooner or later. S. From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Thu May 28 15:34:52 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 20:34:52 +0100 Subject: HW: Funereal HW === In-Reply-To: <399DD10543B@HUMSCF2S.CF.AC.UK> Message-ID: At 15:52 28/05/98 GMT0BST, you wrote: >As a final cosmic joke I've always fancied making the congregation >sit through all four sides of "Tales from Topographic Oceans" by Yes >at my funeral. Or would that be too cruel? YES! Mind-you, I was reckoning on "A Love Supreme" by John Coltrane - a whole albums worth, or there's "The Cortege" by Mike Westbrook - a triple....& I even have my name on the sleeve :-{)> ChrisW "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Thu May 28 16:05:20 1998 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 20:05:20 GMT Subject: hw: ICU gig/NEWSFLASH In-Reply-To: <199805271914.PAA07813@blue.gekko.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 May 1998 15:14:16 -0400, you sent through the ether: >Well, there was this "Pond" in the way, and.... Aw come on.. I never did a thing, I have an albi and a lawyer who will sue! retract that remark sir! ;) -S. From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Thu May 28 16:21:19 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David Greenhalgh) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 21:21:19 +0100 Subject: HW: Private gig Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > > > The advantages of an SF con are that it spreads the load and you'd get > folks coming just for the con which would raise cash. Then sell a day > membership for fans of the band who don't want to stay the weekend at > the hotel. You can also sell concessions to SF book stalls and CD stalls > and maybe even Con t-shirts. It would need a weekend free from other cons, are there any this late in the year? I would think it must be getting hard to find empty weekends with all the mainstream fests etc this year. Dave From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu May 28 16:52:43 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 16:52:43 EDT Subject: BOC: Big Flats Gig In-Reply-To: <19980528193559.5208.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > From: Torgo Sedler > > Would like to find out where this SUMMER SOUND STAGE is, as I don't know > much about Big Flats. I know where Showtime is, so more and more I will > use that gig as a backup. Molly Hatchet and Jefferson Starship? OK, > Hatchet I can froog to pretty well. Starship? Excuse me.... my corn > flakes are not sitting too well suddenly. :^) > Torgo, Tix for Big Flats are $24 advance, $29 day of show. How the hell are we supposed to get advance tix if they don't answer the fuckin' phone!!!!!!! Sounds like a racket! Where's Showtime, and how much for tix? theo .................. "...Cause it makes me mad, And I get evil as a man can be." --A.K. ............................... From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu May 28 17:36:19 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 22:36:19 +0100 Subject: BOC: More Birdman/BOC love-in stuff In-Reply-To: <199805281946.PAA12477@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: Oh, Deniz is that guy from Ann Arbor, who moved to Australia, formed Radio Birdman, then joined the US Navy where he learned to fly Phantoms, and then took a medical degree and practiced medicine in Billings, Montana, and then decided to make some more records. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of John A Swartz > Sent: 28 May 1998 20:46 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: BOC: More Birdman/BOC love-in stuff > > > >Listening to the Deniz Tek Group's > > O.K., I'm confused - what's this have to do with Radio Birdman? I'm > not familiar with Deniz Tek Group. But, this is a cool reference that > will have to get into the next version of the FAQ. > > John > From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu May 28 17:41:12 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:41:12 -0400 Subject: OFF: GODZILLA REVIEW In-Reply-To: <199805281636.LAA25599@chestburster.urbana.css.mot.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 May 1998, Matthew Braun wrote: > >Add to this the fact that very few people die in > >this film, and most of them are the French Secret Service dudes. > That's not true--the US lost a whole submarine crew, countless helicopter > crewmen. The French Secret Service lost maybe 6 guys in the attack on the > eggs. Not that it bothers me tremendously, but next time it might be good netiquette to put "[spoilers]" in the subject line or something. Cheers, Paul (who will probably see GODZILLA on "75 cent Tuesdays" at the local Capri when [if] it eventually comes around) obCD: Monster Magnet, _Spine of God_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu May 28 18:20:15 1998 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 08:20:15 +1000 Subject: OFF: net cast on muzic.com Message-ID: Ozric's fans take note: ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent: Thu, 28 May 1998 14:25:41 -0700 To: OzHawks at pcmicro.com.au From: Kathy Castronova-Wall Subject: net cast on muzic.com Please get the word out to all of your fans. To Hawkwind fans, If you like Hawkwind, you're going to love the british psychedelic instrumental rock sounds of Ozric Tenacles. 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From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Thu May 28 18:48:32 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (SPRAWL) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 18:48:32 -0400 Subject: Both: Funereal HW BOC:Astoria Message-ID: deathtrap= carcrash song of the gremlin= planecrash streets of fear= mugging/random death-beating valium10= being drilled to death by an N20-mad dentist. rj Neil Shilladay wrote: > > ..or > > Angels of Death > The Demise > Watching the Grass Grow > Sleep of a Thousand Tears > Born to Go > Dealin' with the Devil > Arrival in Utopia > > BOC: anyone willing to meet one latecomer somewhere inside ? yeah, yeah I knbow > its dark, and there may be a few folk milling around, but still... > > Neil. From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu May 28 19:59:32 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 01:59:32 +0200 Subject: Both: Funereal HW BOC:Astoria Message-ID: > valium10= being drilled to death by an N20-mad dentist. > rj > or, possibly trepanned to death by an N20-mad Dennis Hopper? Chr. "Who am I? Where am I going? With no time to spare as a man rowing upon a shoreless lake. Never slowing the pace, but never spying land. I am as most people, I suppose - lost, not knowing why." - David McCallum "No, I am a bowl of soup." - Edmund Blackadder From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri May 29 00:27:20 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 04:27:20 +0000 Subject: OFF: GODZILLA REVIEW-SPOILER Message-ID: DO NOT READ IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GET ADVANCE INFO ON ZILLA > > >Add to this the fact that very few people die in > > >this film, and most of them are the French Secret Service dudes. > > That's not true--the US lost a whole submarine crew, countless helicopter > > crewmen. The French Secret Service lost maybe 6 guys in the attack on the > > eggs. > > Not that it bothers me tremendously, but next time it might be good > netiquette to put "[spoilers]" in the subject line or something. > > Cheers, > > Paul (who will probably see GODZILLA on "75 cent Tuesdays" at the local > Capri when [if] it eventually comes around) Nick writes: Okay, you got me on the death thing...I guess it just registered differently to me because the circumstances were different...i.e. - the French died in 'flesh on flesh' attacks, while the other stuff was more Godzilla attacking machines than people. Have Arnold Schwarzenegger movies jaded me to the point where people who die when their vehicle is blown up don't even register on the body count anymore? Oh, the humanity! BTW, Paul - Sorry about NOT giving a heads up about super-secret Godzilla info being leaked. It was insensitive. On a lighter note, you've got the right idea, plunking down no more than 75 cents for this flick. It ain't worth much more. -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri May 29 00:35:17 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 04:35:17 +0000 Subject: Harvest Moon Sighting! (Sounding?) Message-ID: > Jean: > > What station played Harvest Moon (call letters and frequency)? I'll > update my website if it's not already on there. > > John Speaking of... My MD tells me Harvest Moon still hasn't shown up on the rock radio charts...still 'new and active'...although a few more stations added it this week. It's moving slow, but at least it's still moving. On the other hand, Deep Purple's new single, 'Any Fule No That', debuted on the rock charts. Not sure what number. So those of you lucky enough to live in an area that still has a good rock station (a dying breed) should be hearing one or both of these songs. -- Nick From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Fri May 29 05:35:18 1998 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:35:18 +0100 Subject: BOC: Astoria In-Reply-To: <1582543.3105375103@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: > >>There are some snaps of me on my web-page, which may help! Otherwise > I'llprobably wear my Wayne Kramer T-shirt. Or perhaps the Roky Erickson... ChrisW wrote: > > And I'll probably have my trusty "Cerebus" T on! On Thu, 28 May 1998, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Nethawks, I. Excellent! I'll either be in my 'Revolution by Night' (Egyptian aliens pic) or '1978 tour' (large BOC logo), provided I can fit into it - it's shrunk over the years, I suppose! - Mike Godwin From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri May 29 05:43:52 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:43:52 +0100 Subject: BOC: Astoria In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Excellent! I'll either be in my 'Revolution by Night' (Egyptian aliens > pic) or '1978 tour' (large BOC logo), provided I can fit into it - it's > shrunk over the years, I suppose! > > - Mike Godwin > I still have my '78 shirt, too, but there's absolutely no way on Earth I can fit into it. I got bigger! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri May 29 06:13:12 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 11:13:12 +0100 Subject: HW: Private gig In-Reply-To: David Greenhalgh's message of Thu, 28 May 1998 21:21:19 +0100 Message-ID: David Greenhalgh writes: > M Holmes wrote: > > > > > > > The advantages of an SF con are that it spreads the load and you'd get > > folks coming just for the con which would raise cash. Then sell a day > > membership for fans of the band who don't want to stay the weekend at > > the hotel. You can also sell concessions to SF book stalls and CD stalls > > and maybe even Con t-shirts. > > It would need a weekend free from other cons, are there any this late in the > year? I would think it must be getting hard to find empty weekends with all > the mainstream fests etc this year. Yeah, the more I think of it, the better it would be if we could hook up with a mainstream con and offer to finance and run a Hawkwind/Spacerock stream. I'll get in touch with my conrunner friends and see if they know of a con which might be interested. It'd have pretty much all the advantages since at least some of the SF fans would pay to see the band and few disadvantages. > Dave FoFP From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri May 29 06:35:09 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 11:35:09 +0100 Subject: BOC: Astoria In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 28 May 1998 17:19:32 BST." <000401bd8a54$65a46340$873f63c3@default> Message-ID: > > > > Important PS How will I recognise you? > > > > There are some snaps of me on my web-page, which may help! Otherwise I'll > probably wear my Wayne Kramer T-shirt. Or perhaps the Roky Erickson... :) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ !! How'd you get this ?! I checked my boc t-shirts last night - the Club Ninja & Imaginos "Bedtime Story for the children of the Damned" shirts are both sadly beyond my still svelte frame, so it looks like it'll be a Nethawks or 'Some Enchanted Evening' shirt for me. Just looked at the setlists for the last two UK shows played - Both sets stairway to the stars before the kiss ETI Flaming Telepaths Take me Away Cities on Flame OD'd on life Harvest Moon Burning For You Godzilla Reaper Red + Black + in 1992 Dom + Sub Horsemen Arrive Astronomy Demon Kiss Still Burnin Black Blade Harvester of eyes Bucks boogie + in 1995 See you in Black Dr Music Last Days of May In thee Lips in the hills me262 Hopefully they'll mix it up a bit. Buck says Last Days of May is in for sure :-) I'm still waiting on 7 S D-Bs to be played one day, but thats hugely unlikely. Tim np: On your feet... From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri May 29 07:58:21 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 11:58:21 +0000 Subject: BOC: More Birdman/BOC love-in stuff Message-ID: On tor 28 maj 1998 22.36 +0100 "Andy Gilham" wrote: > Oh, Deniz is that guy from Ann Arbor, who moved to Australia, formed Radio > Birdman, then joined the US Navy where he learned to fly Phantoms, and then > took a medical degree and practiced medicine in Billings, Montana, and then > decided to make some more records. Gee, what a slow-paced, boring life .... ;) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri May 29 03:08:31 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 07:08:31 +0000 Subject: BOC: Astoria Message-ID: > > Excellent! I'll either be in my 'Revolution by Night' (Egyptian aliens > > pic) or '1978 tour' (large BOC logo), provided I can fit into it - it's > > shrunk over the years, I suppose! > > > > - Mike Godwin > > > > I still have my '78 shirt, too, but there's absolutely no way on Earth I can > fit into it. I got bigger! > > - Andy You guys are lucky! Hell, I've already outgrown my 'On Tour Forever' shirt! -- Nick From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri May 29 06:58:40 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 11:58:40 +0100 Subject: OFF: Roky artifacts (was RE: BOC: Astoria) In-Reply-To: <199805291035.LAA14543@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: > > There are some snaps of me on my web-page, which may help! > Otherwise I'll > > probably wear my Wayne Kramer T-shirt. Or perhaps the Roky > Erickson... :) > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > !! How'd you get this ?! > I found it in HMV, Oxford Street, London. Of all places! I was shopping for T-shirts with Carl and Tania, and really it was a must-buy. I think I want to dye it blood-red though. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri May 29 08:12:55 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 12:12:55 +0000 Subject: BOC: Astoria Message-ID: > I'm still waiting on 7 S D-Bs to be played one day, but thats hugely unlikely. Truth. But it would _rule_ ... -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri May 29 08:15:10 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 12:15:10 +0000 Subject: OFF: Roky artifacts (was RE: BOC: Astoria) Message-ID: On fre 29 maj 1998 11.58 +0100 "Andy Gilham" wrote: > I found it in HMV, Oxford Street, London. Of all places! I was shopping > for T-shirts with Carl and Tania, and really it was a must-buy. I can only assume aliens put it there! I still rather regret not having bought one myself (though I was broke at the time ...) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri May 29 08:49:49 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 08:49:49 -0400 Subject: BOC: More Birdman/BOC love-in stuff Message-ID: >Oh, Deniz is that guy from Ann Arbor, who moved to Australia, formed Radio Birdman, then joined the US Navy where he learned to fly Phantoms, and then took a medical degree and practiced medicine in Billings, Montana, and then decided to make some more records. And they say the FAQ has too much information... ;-) Seriously though, is the EP released under the name Deniz Tek Group? John From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Fri May 29 09:30:56 1998 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 14:30:56 +0100 Subject: BOC: Astoria Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: > >>There are some snaps of me on my web-page, which may help! Otherwise > I'llprobably wear my Wayne Kramer T-shirt. Or perhaps the Roky Erickson... ChrisW wrote: > > And I'll probably have my trusty "Cerebus" T on! On Thu, 28 May 1998, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Nethawks, I. Mike Godwin wrote: Excellent! I'll either be in my 'Revolution by Night' (Egyptian aliens pic) or '1978 tour' (large BOC logo), provided I can fit into it - it's shrunk over the years, I suppose! Dunno what I'll be wearing - depends on the good ol British Weather (tm). Prob a purple 70s stlye shirt + leather jacket (that should be *dead* obvious in a BOC gig !) Seriously, I'll look out for you guys by the bar (downstairs or upstairs - I'll find you somehow) 5 days & counting.... Neil. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri May 29 09:38:44 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 14:38:44 +0100 Subject: BOC: More Birdman/BOC love-in stuff In-Reply-To: <199805291249.IAA07882@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > And they say the FAQ has too much information... ;-) > > Seriously though, is the EP released under the name Deniz Tek Group? Yes it is - and there's a dead good cover of the Stooges' "Not Right" on it as well! Together with "the light that never, never warms" in "Hand of Law", and "the Four Winds Bar and Grill" in "Last Chance", I can take a good guess at his favourite BOC song, can't you? :) (PS I think I must have had a brainstorm when posting about this before - the song I mean on _Orphan Tracks_ is definitely "Last Chance", not "Why Tell Me"). - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK Fri May 29 10:45:48 1998 From: a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK (Alun Hughes) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:45:48 +0100 Subject: BOC: More Birdman/BOC love-in stuff Message-ID: The Four Winds Bar reappears in "Dozen on Ice" on _Outside_. Andy, you surely noticed that? :-) Alun >>> Andy Gilham 29/05/98 14:38 >>> > And they say the FAQ has too much information... ;-) > > Seriously though, is the EP released under the name Deniz Tek Group? Yes it is - and there's a dead good cover of the Stooges' "Not Right" on it as well! Together with "the light that never, never warms" in "Hand of Law", and "the Four Winds Bar and Grill" in "Last Chance", I can take a good guess at his favourite BOC song, can't you? :) (PS I think I must have had a brainstorm when posting about this before - the song I mean on _Orphan Tracks_ is definitely "Last Chance", not "Why Tell Me"). - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri May 29 11:26:06 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 16:26:06 +0100 Subject: BOC: More Birdman/BOC love-in stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > > The Four Winds Bar reappears in "Dozen on Ice" on _Outside_. Andy, > you surely noticed that? :-) > > Alun > Yeah, yeah, "got a dozen on ice, in the back room at the Four Winds Bar". (John - _Outside_ is an album by Deniz Tek.) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Fri May 29 11:47:14 1998 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 16:47:14 +0100 Subject: boc go dance Message-ID: Just got this through from www.rocknetwork.com in there news letter. BLUE OYSTER CULT to remix "Godzilla" into funky dance version to cash in on movie... That`s all it says. The site I believe is run by Metal Hammer magazine. Si ----- "I`ve got 'some' answers to 'most' of your questions!" The Alice Cooper Trivia File - http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/intro.html From johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM Fri May 29 12:43:18 1998 From: johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 18:43:18 +0200 Subject: OFF: DikMik in a box Message-ID: At 17:04 1998-05-27 -0700, you wrote: >Yeah, I know that posts about musical equipment are of less interest to the >90% (?) non-musician populace of boc-l than posts about comix, Y&T or >summer blockbuster movies are to me ;^), but this is something that >Hawkwind fans (especially the non-musician ones) might want to check out, >'cause the message title comes from a comment made by one of the guys I was >jamming with last weekend ... > >I recently obtained a little box called a "Triwave Picogenerator" from a >guy in Illinois (USA) who makes guitar effect pedals and other electronic >music equipment. Included within are two audio generators and three (hence >"triwave") modulating LFO's (low-frequency oscillators) that can vary the >pitch of the two audio generators. Although it looks a bit intimidating at >first (there are 13 knobs, three buttons, and 3 LED indicators on it), it's >remarkably easy to use, and definitely requires no musical knowledge >whatsoever. Two of the knobs control the primary frequency of each of the >two audio generators; with a little practice and a few flicks of the wrist, >you'll be playing DikMik's part from "Electronic no.1". Three more knobs >control the rates of the LFO's, which are displayed by the flashing LED's; >at a slow speed, you can get long pitch sweeps (listen to the very >beginning of Nik's 'SR94', before the drums come in), while at the highest >rates, think "Shot Down In The Night" ('Live 79') or "Valium Ten" (on which >you can hear LFO rates being adjusted from slow to fast). Six of the knobs >control the amount by which each of the 3 LFO's modulates each of the 2 >audio generators (3x2=6), ranging from a slight vibrato to radically >wacked-out pitch sweeps. The last two knobs control the mix between the >audio generators, and the overall volume. The three buttons each "reset" >one of the LFO's. For instance, pressing and releasing the button for a >LFO set to a slow rate gives a sound like, >"WOOOOooooIIIIiiiiEEEEeeeeeeeeEEEEiiiiIIIIooooOOOOOOOOooooIIII...". By >pressing and releasing, then waiting and re-pressing the button, this time >holding it, you can get a sound like "WOOOOooooIIIIiiiiWOOOOOOOOOOOO...". >And, by pressing and releasing the button, waiting, then repeating, the >sound is like "WOOOOooooIIIIiiiiWOOOOooooIIIIiiiiWOOOOooooIIIIiiii..." >(that's 3 releases of the button). There's a huge range of crazy sounds >that can be created, many that go far beyond anything I've ever heard on a >Hawkwind album! And in conjunction with other effect like delays, things >just get crazier ... > >Easy to use - if you can operate a blender (yeah, I admit, it's more >complicated than a toaster), then you can play the Triwave! And it costs >less than US$150. Poor Man Dik Mik Generator: =========================== when being sound engineer back in the early eighties for local hard rockers, I used to take the guitarist equipment to fill up passages before performances with nice space sounds. his guitar was hooked into a Marshall amp through a MXR fuzz box and a phase of unknown origin. I took the plug from the guitar, and put it back into the Marshall - so I had this loop: Marshall => Fuzz => Phase => Marshall when adjusting the three knobs of the two boxes I easily found a sound loop that was spacey enough to entertain into eternity. it could go on for ever, and needed no further human interference. as a final touch I added a lot of echo on top... your long lost sound engineer -joe >For more information, including audio samples, check out: >http://members.rotfl.com/soundshimmer/triwave.html >or write Dan Green at: green at soon.com > >Note that I have no affiliation with the individual who designs, constructs >and sells these devices. But I had to pass on this information because >this is one of the coolest musical items I've ever bought, and anyone who's >interested in creating Hawkwind-inspired electronic sounds, but doesn't >want to (or can't afford to) shell out for a "vintage" analog synthesizer, >should get one, too! > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com > >P.S. whoever's organizing a private HW performance/sci-fi convention can >count on me for $50 if needed, even though I probably couldn't make it over >to the UK :^( > > From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri May 29 22:37:59 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 19:37:59 -0700 Subject: CD NOW HOTTEST SELLERS Message-ID: I can't remember whether this was posted before but the new BOC is now listed as one of CD-NOWs hottest sellers and at a mere $11.98. There's a link to CD-NOW on my Record Hunter page - see below. Zeit -- ====================================================== One is currently shaking ones booty to; KING SWAMP - Wiseblood CURTIS MAYFIELD - A Man Like Curtis ====================================================== E-zine: http://zeitgeist-scot.com/ Personal e-mail: zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com Record Hunter: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/hunter.html RH e-mail: record.hunter at dial.pipex.com ====================================================== From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri May 29 22:58:43 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 19:58:43 -0700 Subject: BOC: YOUR RECOMMENDED LISTENING Message-ID: OK, I admit I was bored. But I was rummaging around CD-NOW and clicked on the recommended listening button for BOC. I was enlightened and shall be changing my listening preferences immediately. Just to kee you in the picture the top 5 recommended albums were; Y&T - The Best Of The Beatles - White Album Velvet Underground - Live James Gang - Thirds & Bee Gees - Spirits Having Flown(!) I've ordered them all and hope you do likewise. Zeit -- ====================================================== One is currently shaking ones booty to; KING SWAMP - Wiseblood CURTIS MAYFIELD - A Man Like Curtis ====================================================== E-zine: http://zeitgeist-scot.com/ Personal e-mail: zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com Record Hunter: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/hunter.html RH e-mail: record.hunter at dial.pipex.com ====================================================== From goran.janicijevic at INFORMA.MK Fri May 29 18:28:02 1998 From: goran.janicijevic at INFORMA.MK (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 00:28:02 +0200 Subject: OFF: GODZILLA REVIEW Message-ID: As I can see, there is a lot of fuss about the French interpretation of Godzilla. I didn't see the movie, and I don't intend to, because the reactions remind me to another one recent French SF project - The Fifth Element - that I hate so much. So - beware of French SF movies. ;-) __________________ Goran Janicijevic From OE3 at AOL.COM Fri May 29 18:53:48 1998 From: OE3 at AOL.COM (Eddie Williamson) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 18:53:48 EDT Subject: BOC: chart debut Message-ID: hello and good tidings: boc and "harvest moon" debuted on the latest radio & records rock chart at #48, nuzzled between gov't mule and swamp boogie queen. one hundred and forty-seven big spins!! did they chart with "see you in black"? or would this make boc's first (commercial) radio chart appearance since the '80s? any ideas on what that song might have been? "astronomy"? eddie los angeles, calif. From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri May 29 19:13:00 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 16:13:00 -0700 Subject: French Sci-Fi (was Re: OFF: GODZILLA REVIEW) Message-ID: On Sat, 30 May 1998 00:28:02 +0200, Goran Janicijevic inscribed: >As I can see, there is a lot of fuss about the French interpretation of >Godzilla. I didn't see the movie, and I don't intend to, because the reactions >remind me to another one recent French SF project - The Fifth Element - that I >hate so much. So - beware of French SF movies. ;-) What about 'La Jet?e' (transl. 'The Runway', because the crucial beginning/ending scene takes place at an airport)? A fascinating time-travel movie (on which '12 Monkeys', which I didn't see, was sorta based) that isn't really a movie, but a series of photographs displayed sequentially (almost like a slide show on film). I forget which famous 60s French director did it (Goddard or someone ... I should ask the babe described in Calvert's "Over My Head"), but the plot is very cool, and the ending is a great shocker that wraps up the loose ends very well (always tough with time-loop concepts). It's not very long, and definitely worth checking out for the concept, cinematography and atmosphere ... ObHWContent: it was being shown before Nik Turner's set when he played in Cleveland last year after Strange Daze. -Doug ceres at sirius.com From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri May 29 21:23:40 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 21:23:40 -0400 Subject: HW: Private gig Message-ID: Hi Folks... Well, this is on a bit different subject than where to hold this thing or who to join in with... But I have been noticing that the people running the ProgDay festival here in the states (No. Carolina I think) have been doing an internet fund-raising auction as a means of financial support. What I mean is that they've asked a whole slew of different prog artists (presumably many who have nothing to do with this particular event) to send in a few autographed items (CDs, etc.) that anyone can bid on, the proceeds going to pay to bring the bands overseas, etc. I dunno, could we do something like this, above and beyond (or perhaps as part of) the personal donations? Would there be any point, as so many of us are already willing to put up $50 without receiving any merchandise at all? And that includes a number of us who aren't likely to get to even see the show in person. And who, other than HW themselves, would provide the signed items, and how many could we expect to get gratis? Not enough to make much of a difference, I'd imagine, unless maybe there's a pile of 'Yuri Gagarins' laying around. :) I dunno, I suppose I was just thinking about the PBS fund-drives over here, where they tell you... 'For a donation of $50, we'll send you this free totebag. For a donation of $100, you'll get this collection of WWII videos. For $1000, you'll get to appear as a commentator on the McLaughlin Group. For $1,000,000, you'll receive you're own personal PBS station.' Well, just a thought...Keith H. (FAA) ObCrappyFrenchSFMovie: The 5th Element (Man, yer right...that *really* sucked) ObCD: Happy the Man - Retrospective From mlooney at IONET.NET Fri May 29 22:24:22 1998 From: mlooney at IONET.NET (Mike Looney - ionet) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 21:24:22 -0500 Subject: BOC: Radio air time Message-ID: Over the last couple of weeks BOC has been getting quite a lot of air time on the local "Classic and Best of New Rock" station here in Tulsa. (KMOD, 97.5 FM). I have heard Harvest Moon at least 5 times, and of those 3 were attached to one or more other BOC songs. What is weird is that the other BOC song played is NEVER one of "The big three". What I have heard with Harvest Moon is: "Astronomy" "Take Me Away" "Death Valley Nights" Very weird. The first couple of times I heard HM they ID and it's CD it correctly and mentioned that it was "new". One time the DJ went on for 30-45 seconds about how great the CD was and you should go out and buy it right now. (he does that allot, for bands he likes. Granted BOC was not one of his bands, at least before now). But of late, they just play it, and assume you know who it is (i.e. like any other "big name" ['Zeppelin, Floyd,. Rush, ZZ Top, etc.] band). I have heard some of the big 3 in their normal rotation (about once every 4 days or so), but not with HM. The big 3 play in the day time, HM and the others play at night. What this means I don't know. -- Sillyness is the last refuse of the doomed. P. Opus http://www.spellbooksoftware.com -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GAT d-- s:- a38 US++ P+ L+ E W+++ N++ K++ w++ O- M- V-- PS+ PE++ Y PGP t++ 5 X R+++ tv+ b++++ DI+++ D G+ e+ h--- r+++ y+++(**) ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sat May 30 04:30:15 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 09:30:15 +0100 Subject: French Sci-Fi (was Re: OFF: GODZILLA REVIEW) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980529161300.007df7f0@sirius.com> Message-ID: > What about 'La Jet?e' [...]. I forget which > famous 60s > French director did it (Goddard or someone ... I should ask the babe > described in Calvert's "Over My Head"), [...] Or me :) Not JLG - far too coherent! Chris Marker is your man - it's unlikely you'd have heard of his other work, which is mostly as a screenwriter in France. Lessee - France isn't known for sf cinema at all, so the fact the _Le Cinquieme Element_ was _vachement merdique_ isn't necessarily to be held against them in general; how about Godard's _Alphaville_ (with a character called Lemmy Caution, which is as about as on-topic as I can make this :), Vadim's _Barbarella_...? - Andy ObCD: The New Christs - _Distemper_! mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Sat May 30 05:44:12 1998 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 03:44:12 -0600 Subject: OFF: French SF Movies Message-ID: Goran was saying : >>As I can see, there is a lot of fuss about the French interpretation of >>Godzilla. I didn't see the movie, and I don't intend to, because the >reactions >>remind me to another one recent French SF project - The Fifth Element - >that I >>hate so much. So - beware of French SF movies. ;-) I'm French... and yet, I have to agree with this warning (although I beg to differ about "The Fifth Element", which I found really good - and at least it had A STORY ! which seems to be lacking from most American blockbusters these days *sigh*)... French movies in general aren't all that good. But when it comes to SF... Well, actually, it's fairly easy to sum up : French SF movies practically don't exist. There are a few great fantasy pieces, though, like "The city of lost children" (from Caro & Jeunet - Jeunet, who later directed Alien Resurrection ;-). The same duo (Caro & Jeunet) also did, before that, another great (and weird) movie, called "Delicatessen". That's pretty much all I can think of right now... hmmm... Oh yeah, there's also "Mr. Frost" with Jeff Goldblum. Yep, that's a French movie - directed by Philip (really Philippe - he Americanized his name) Setbon... That one was really chilling. I especially like the beginning, when all the bodies are found in Goldblum's garden... that guy is really amazing in this movie... And then Doug said : >What about 'La Jet?e' (transl. 'The Runway', because the crucial >beginning/ending scene takes place at an airport)? A fascinating >time-travel movie (on which '12 Monkeys', which I didn't see, was sorta >based) that isn't really a movie, but a series of photographs displayed >sequentially (almost like a slide show on film). I haven't seen "La Jet?e", but "12 Monkeys" is definitely one of my favorite SF movies. It was just absolutely stunning ! Awesome. > I forget which famous 60s >French director did it (Goddard or someone ... I should ask the babe >described in Calvert's "Over My Head"), Actually, if I remember correctly, the director of "La Jet?e" was Chris Marker (I'd have to check, but I don't have anything to do so here)... and he's not really that famous (but he IS French - just thought I'd make that clear, because some could wonder because of his name :-o). In fact, I think that's pretty much the only film he ever did - and definitely the only famous one. Which was a short, originally. Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From goran.janicijevic at INFORMA.MK Sat May 30 05:36:24 1998 From: goran.janicijevic at INFORMA.MK (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 11:36:24 +0200 Subject: French SF Movies Message-ID: > ----- Original Message ----- > these days *sigh*)... French movies in general aren't all that good. But > when it comes to SF... Well, actually, it's fairly easy to sum up : French > SF movies practically don't exist. There are a few great fantasy pieces, > ----- End Of Original Message ----- OK, my negative attitude wasn't aimed toward masters like Goddard or Truffaud. I mused about recent movies that try to emulate the American blockbusters - succeeding to be more infantile (imbecile). It is not very efficient way to struggle against "American Cultural Imperialism". __________________ Goran Janicijevic From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Sat May 30 07:49:07 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David Greenhalgh) Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 12:49:07 +0100 Subject: OFF: Ozrics free gig Message-ID: Hello list, Ozric Tentacle, Zion trifid, Dr Brown and a few others will be playing a free gig in Portsmouth Guild Hall square July 18. anyone going to go? Dave From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri May 29 05:12:20 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:12:20 +0100 Subject: OFF: net cast on muzic.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Soniqu? writes >If you like Hawkwind, you're going to love the british >psychedelic instrumental rock sounds of Ozric Tenacles. _like_ Hawkwind, _love_ the Ozrics? Are you sure? -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri May 29 04:27:01 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:27:01 +0100 Subject: Both: Funereal HW BOC:Astoria In-Reply-To: <199805281157.MAA12506@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <199805281157.MAA12506 at dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk>, bart writes >So whats the tally of boc-lers for wednesday then ? > >cheers Me -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri May 29 04:24:10 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:24:10 +0100 Subject: hw: ICU gig/NEWSFLASH In-Reply-To: <356ec270.5697154@post.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <356ec270.5697154 at post.demon.co.uk>, Steve Pond writes >On Wed, 27 May 1998 15:14:16 -0400, you sent through the ether: > >>Well, there was this "Pond" in the way, and.... > > >Aw come on.. I never did a thing, I have an albi and a lawyer who will >sue! retract that remark sir! ;) > >-S. You have an albi? What colour is it? Have you still got the original box? -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri May 29 05:08:49 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:08:49 +0100 Subject: Dubious accolade In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980527213423.007b2100@mail.clara.net> Message-ID: In article <3.0.5.32.19980527213423.007b2100 at mail.clara.net>, Chris Warburton writes >Watch out, my daughter will spifflicate you if you start doing down Aqua!!!! >The anger of an 11 year old is not to be trifled with. "You cannot deny the talent" -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri May 29 05:10:08 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:10:08 +0100 Subject: OFF: Ob - Bands I'd like to see this summer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >ob Band I'd like to see this summer> Electric Prunes or Spacemen 3 :( -- Jon From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat May 30 10:17:23 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 14:17:23 +0000 Subject: OFF: DikMik in a box Message-ID: My best efforts at swooshy noises come from running a signal from my guitar through my old Boss analog delay and flanger pedals. By sweeping the knobs on the delay, I can get some reasonably groovy whaugh-whaugh-whaugh-waauuuoooooeeeeeeeiiiiii noises :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Sat May 30 11:23:00 1998 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 15:23:00 GMT Subject: hw: ICU gig/NEWSFLASH In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 29 May 1998 09:24:10 +0100, you sent through the ether: >You have an albi? What colour is it? > >Have you still got the original box? I played with my albi, those kids who keep the boxes are nothing but NERDS.. probably kept their comics too.. -S -www.doremi.co.uk From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sat May 30 14:05:04 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 19:05:04 +0100 Subject: OFF: Motorhead Review Message-ID: I found this double header review in the latest issue of "The Wire" and thought the rest of you might find it interesting, entertaining or informative: =========================================================================== ========= Fushitsusha / Gold Blood (Charnel Music CH 30 CD) Mot?rhead / Live On The King Biscuit Flower Hour (King Biscuit Flower Hour KBFH002 CD) The latest live releases from the ultimate power trios represent the two approaches to organising noise and chaos - rock's dialectic between a surrender to waves of splintering reverberation and the mastery of blitzkrieg riffage. These twin poles of madness and sex are embodied by the two frontmen: Fushitsusha's Keiji Haino is the prototypical blackhearted, pained genius, while Lemmy is so quintessentially rock 'n' roll that he ranks alongside Elvis, Madonna and Fabian as a one-named titan. "Gold Blood" documents Fushitsusha's appearance at San Francisco's Great American Music Hall in 1996. The show was simulcast by a local radio station which accounts for the excellent sound (although compared to Haino's PSF releases, the packaging is very shoddy). But in the search for fidelity, the record loses a bit of oomph. While the improved detail makes Haino's sheets of noise shimmer more than usual, and bassist Yasushi Ozawa and drummer Jun Kosugi are actually audible in the mix, some of Haino's intensity is lost. Which is a real shame because he is on top form here: his blinding white-outs of guitar flurries incandesce like they do on his best PSF records, while "This Trembling In My Core, With Which Of Your Cellls Couldn't It Hold Hands!" is real slash 'n' burn punk venom. Recorded in 1983 at one of America's ur-Metal haunts, L'Amour East in New York, Mot?rhead's "Live On The King Biscuit Flower Hour" is the bacchanalian flipside to Fushitsusha's tortured ego/body immolation. As a Live document, it pales next to "No Sleep 'Til Hammersmith" - not just because Robbo's on guitar and not Fast Eddie, but because there's no fucking bass. Nonetheless, the first four tracks are real shitkickers and harness the power of chaos, where Fushitsusha dive headlong into the eye of the storm. The centrepieceis a brilliantly messy version of "Iron Horse/Born To Lose" in which Lemmy sounds like a bottle of Jack Daniels as he growls "Wasted forever/Ferociously stoned" - not even AC/DC have come up with burn-out poetry that perfect. Although Lemmy would probably laugh at Haino's waif falsetto, the two of them should jam together: they both reduce their instruments to pure sensation machines and, as Lemmy says in the interview that ends the disc, "We like a road accident in England". =========================================================================== ======= I think that last quote should probably be "We are ". That's enough typing for now...see (some of) you on Wednesday! ChrisW ObCDs (bought today): Ginger Baker Trio - "Going Back Home" "Death To The Pixies" Abdullah Ibrahim - "African sun" Mot?rhead - "No Sleep 'Til Hammersmith" (remastered/Bonus Tracks) "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Sat May 30 14:51:08 1998 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 14:51:08 -0400 Subject: OFF: Tape Project In-Reply-To: from "BREVARD, Adrian R." at Apr 27, 98 01:30:34 pm Message-ID: Sometime in April, BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: > > I can't speak for everybody but when I latch on to good music at that > point I'm willing to invest in it. So if Steve Swann were to send me a > tape by "Sky is Falling" and it is real good I'd hate to hear from him, > "Sorry their career only lasted three albums and none of them have ever > been placed on cd." Hey, I only put Straw Dogs songs on *some* of my compilation tapes! Wow, am I behind on my BOC mail or what? Steve "Under the Hammer" From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sat May 30 15:37:07 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 20:37:07 +0100 Subject: OFF: Ob - Bands I'd like to see this summer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 10:10 29/05/98 +0100, you wrote: >>ob Band I'd like to see this summer > Electric Prunes or Spacemen 3 :( > >-- >Jon > That's a bit like me wishing for T2 or Last Exit ChrisW Still On:Mot?rhead - No Sleep "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sat May 30 15:24:07 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 20:24:07 +0100 Subject: OFF: Ozrics free gig In-Reply-To: <356FF233.5490A68A@virgin.net> Message-ID: At 12:49 30/05/98 +0100, you wrote: >Hello list, > >Ozric Tentacle, Zion trifid, Dr Brown and a few others will be playing a free gig >in Portsmouth Guild Hall square July 18. anyone going to go? > >Dave subject to the ifs, buts & maybes, I'll probably be up for this one since I live in Bournemouth, a mere hop, skip & jump away: what time does it start? ChrisW NP:Mot?rhead - No Sleep 'Til Hammersmith "I can't believe my point of view is the only correct one." - Jerry Garcia From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sat May 30 17:47:14 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 22:47:14 +0100 Subject: HW: looks rather nice for a comp for a change? In-Reply-To: <199804241034.LAA21020@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > The Remasters series and Stasis have this covered apart from: > > D-Rider : the edited version on the US EP in 1974 > Damnation Alley Part II : the cut on the B side of Hassan I Sabha ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Whassis? Jon (back on again) From goran.janicijevic at INFORMA.MK Sat May 30 18:05:09 1998 From: goran.janicijevic at INFORMA.MK (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 00:05:09 +0200 Subject: BOC: Eric Bloom's vs. my opinion Message-ID: A quote from the Eric Bloom's interview at http://www.tombstone.gr/boc.htm, answering about chances the tunes from 'Heaven Forbid' to be broadcasted: "I don't think it's something that your pop stations are going to play it. I mean, they are not going to take MADONNA off the play lists to put us on it. But, it's hard rock and if they will play METALLICA and other kinds of hard rock they should play us to." Well, at first reluctantly, and later wholeheartedly, I must admit that Madonna has just recorded an excellent ROCK album. So, it's the matter of good tunes and good management, how much will be BOC on the radio. The differences what is rock, and what is pop music, today are irrelevant; everybody is looking for a hit single. Madonna shouldn't be obstacle BOC to be rated higher. __________________ Goran Janicijevic From goran.janicijevic at INFORMA.MK Sat May 30 18:07:17 1998 From: goran.janicijevic at INFORMA.MK (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 00:07:17 +0200 Subject: BOC: Greek LP issue of ETL Message-ID: On the ETL copy that I have, bought in Greece in 1982, the songs on the record labels are misprinted in the following order: A side: 1. Burnin'For You 2. Joan Crawford 3. (Don't Fear) The Reaper 4. Veteran Of The Psychic Wars 5. Cities On Flame B side: 1. Roadhouse Blues 2. Dr.Music 3. E.T.I. 4. Black Blade C side: 1. Hot Rails To Hell 2. The Red And The Black D side: 1. Godzilla 2. ME 262 3. Domminance & Submission So, I wonder are there another issues of ETL where the songs order on the labels is screwed this way? At first, I was looking for some mathematical logic of this order related to the real, but the presence of ME 262 knocked down all my efforts. __________________ Goran Janicijevic From goran.janicijevic at INFORMA.MK Sat May 30 18:08:26 1998 From: goran.janicijevic at INFORMA.MK (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 00:08:26 +0200 Subject: BOC: BOC & movies Message-ID: > BLUE OYSTER CULT to remix "Godzilla" into funky dance version to cash in > on movie... I wish I could hear BOC music in some Tarantino's bizzare movie, not in (or about) some cheesy spectacle. This way, the band which resembles "The Los Maniacos Bus Boy Club" was Tito & Tarantula, not BOC. __________________ Goran Janicijevic From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Sat May 30 18:55:33 1998 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 18:55:33 -0400 Subject: HW: What now? In-Reply-To: <199805111457.QAA27479@online.no> from "Christian000Mumford" at May 11, 98 04:52:10 pm Message-ID: Christian000Mumford writes: > > Strange Dream: Hawkwind as we know it (with Dave Brock) play a final > farewell concert on New Years eve 1999 with Lemmy making a guest [...] > solo sax for half an hour after the show. For the 50th anniversary gig in > 2019, in front of a massive 6-D multimedia alien's cut showing of > Bladerunner projected onto our galaxy through wormholes operated by the > abducted Steven Hawking (having chemically altered his name to Steven > Hawkwind and revealing himself as the former human Steve Swann), What's really fucked up about this is that I *am* a foaming at the mouth Blade Runner fan. I bought a DVD player within a week of the format being announced, largely Blade Runner was one of the initial 10 releases by Warner Bros. Because it was the director's cut. Does the Alien's cut fix any of the consistency problems in the film? I'll put a down-payment on a 6-D psychographic projector now! ;-) > Scientology. The by this time completely robotic Nik Turner/saxophone and > the digital ghost of Dave Brock fuse into one cosmic being known as TUBROK > THE ALTERER and suck the cosmic black hellsword from the otherdimensional > realm of Steve Hawkind, impaling the cosmic energy vampire Azathoth/Arioch > with the souls of 5 billion Hawkwind fans contained within it. In a massive > blaze of telepathic feedback the earth is scorched in a blaze of black > flames, wiping out all life on our planet, and TUBROK THE ALTERER is sucked > into a mirror universe for all eternity to fight himself. As Steve Swann > and the aliens arrive to take over, the resurrected Bob Calvert greets them > with a wry smile on his face and says "It all went as planned kids...and > Bob's yer uncle!", winking his third eye cleverly. I just got done listening to Tool's "3rd Eye" as well. Should I go listen to _Sychronicity_, now?! Steve, no longer just behind on his mail, but feeling disturbed as well obLastWeek'sDVDpurchase: _Brazil_ From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sat May 30 19:19:13 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 00:19:13 +0100 Subject: HW: looks rather nice for a comp for a change? In-Reply-To: Jonathan Jarrett's message of Sat, 30 May 1998 22:47:14 +0100 Message-ID: Jonathan Jarrett writes: > > The Remasters series and Stasis have this covered apart from: > > > > D-Rider : the edited version on the US EP in 1974 > > Damnation Alley Part II : the cut on the B side of Hassan I Sabha > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Whassis? It's the Hassan I Sabha 7" vinyl version issued by Charisma in Italy with pic sleeve and only available in most people's dreams - unless you look up Rob Godwin's Illustrated Collector's Guide book where you find he has a picture of it 8-( 'Damnation Alley Part II' is the 'B' side as she is labelled. How it differs I've no idea! > Jon (back on again) > Welcome back! Are you returned academically or still on the outside looking in? cheers jill ObFilm> The Dark City ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sat May 30 19:38:48 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 00:38:48 +0100 Subject: HW: Private gig In-Reply-To: Keith Henderson's message of Fri, 29 May 1998 21:23:40 -0400 Message-ID: Keith Henderson writes: > items (CDs, etc.) that anyone can bid on, the proceeds going to pay to bring > the bands overseas, etc. > > I dunno, could we do something like this, above and beyond (or perhaps as There was a raffle of various stuff at the original Hawkon in Leeds - no reason why such a thing couldn't be organised if we get this gig set up. In fact, thinking about it even as I type this, if Ron Tree brought his Robot along and we did manage to tie this gig into a SF convention then I guess he wouldn't have too much trouble auctioning it off! In fact thinking further along the same lines - SF cons occasionally have art exhibitions which are later sold off by auction - just imagine some real Hawkwind artwork up there amongst it all....... jill ObCommutingProblems> Leave house with bicycle. Trip over bicycle. Mangle back wheel. Take taxi to work 8-(( ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Sun May 31 06:31:19 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 11:31:19 +0100 Subject: BOC: Reverse fungus/Real World In-Reply-To: <1C59FAA0C1F@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Apr 1998, Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: > > From: Andy Gilham > > > > > > >, and any song with the > > lyric "I live for rock and roll" is immediately suspect anyway! Especially > > when it rhymes with "soul"... And the chorus to "X-ray Eyes" is really > > irritating. > > That line is clearly a bit of satire...As is the rest of the song... > > theo > Sorry to pick up such an old thread, but I've been away... I started to really like 'Hammer Back' once I decided it was satirical, but is this something we can say about every song on the album? I'm not sure 'Damaged' isn't supposed to be sincere... What really worried me was the page on the fan club website where John Shirley explains his lyrics... Surely one of the more unnecessary things on the web? Jon J. From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Sun May 31 11:11:19 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David Greenhalgh) Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 16:11:19 +0100 Subject: OFF: Ozrics free gig Message-ID: David Greenhalgh wrote: > Hello list, > > Ozric Tentacle, Zion trifid, Dr Brown and a few others will be playing a free gig > in Portsmouth Guild Hall square July 18. anyone going to go? > > Dave Um That's Zion Train. Don't ask what was going through my mind when I typed it. The gig runs 11am to 11pm and the other bands are Tofu Love Frogs (what a superb name) Seven Little Sisters and Zuffle. Dave From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sun May 31 12:55:20 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 17:55:20 +0100 Subject: hw: ICU gig/NEWSFLASH In-Reply-To: <35702410.3278893@post.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <35702410.3278893 at post.demon.co.uk>, Steve Pond writes >>You have an albi? What colour is it? >> >>Have you still got the original box? > > >I played with my albi, those kids who keep the boxes are nothing but >NERDS.. probably kept their comics too.. > >-S Whooahhh!!!!!!!!"?$%^&*() -- Jon From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Sun May 31 13:25:58 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (David Hardman) Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 18:25:58 +0100 Subject: Both: Funereal HW BOC:Astoria In-Reply-To: <199805281157.MAA12506@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 May 1998, bart wrote: > > So whats the tally of boc-lers for wednesday then ? I'll be there, and Charlie Grant -formerly of this list - will be turning up too. Not sure what I'll be wearing, though I'll probably recognise anyone I met in '95. Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman HCI Design Centre School of Informatics City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk *****************************************************************************