From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 2 06:50:18 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E Anderson) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:50:18 +0000 Subject: off:Kingston Wall Message-ID: On ons 25 feb 1998 14.04 +0200 "Miikka Wagner" wrote: > I now have all three KW reissue cd. Here is more info. Must have! Will sell spare kidney if necessary! Does anyone have a mail-order source for these? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Mar 2 09:07:45 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 09:07:45 -0500 Subject: BOC: See You in Black on the air Message-ID: I heard "See You in Black" on the air last night on WGIR, Rock 101.1 FM in New Hampshire last night. They played it at about 11:30 on their "Whiplash" program (featuring new, local, and heavy music) - the DJ even announced it as possibly the best track they played all night. He also mentioned "HEAVEN FORBID" and says the artwork looks "kinda evil". Very COOL!! John From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Mon Mar 2 09:35:43 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 09:35:43 -0500 Subject: See You in Black on the air Message-ID: Great news! >I heard "See You in Black" on the air last night on WGIR, Rock 101.1 FM >in New Hampshire last night. They played it at about 11:30 on their >"Whiplash" program (featuring new, local, and heavy music) - the DJ even >announced it as possibly the best track they played all night. He also >mentioned "HEAVEN FORBID" and says the artwork looks "kinda evil". >John I requested it on the "all request weekend" at WCMF in Rochester, NY and the DJ either didn't have a clue about the new release, or isn't much of a BOC fan. He said he'd "look for it", but he never played it. They play the new Skynyrd song "Home Is Where the Heart Is" from their latest CMC album, as well as "Ted the Mechanic" from Deep Purple's CMC distributed album, so I don't know why they would refuse to play BOC. I'm glad to hear that it's getting played _somewhere_! Brian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2504 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Mar 2 08:33:29 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 09:33:29 EDT Subject: BOC: See You in Black on the air In-Reply-To: <199803021407.JAA22682@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: >> From: John A Swartz > I heard "See You in Black" on the air last night on WGIR, Rock 101.1 FM > in New Hampshire last night. They played it at about 11:30 on their > "Whiplash" program (featuring new, local, and heavy music) - the DJ even > announced it as possibly the best track they played all night. He also > mentioned "HEAVEN FORBID" and says the artwork looks "kinda evil". > > Very COOL!! > Very Cool indeed! Ya know, BOC may come out of this pretty well.. A lot of senior DJs no doubt have a soft spot for a great band like BOC from the old days. Could be a lot of them want to give BOC a shot in the arm... theo From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Mar 2 11:55:12 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:55:12 -0500 Subject: OFF: R&RHoF voting Message-ID: Hi Folks... Boy, it sure has been quiet here lately. I figure that'll change when the BOC album comes out. I was just looking through the latest Goldmine, and they had the results of a reader's poll aimed towards the (completely lame) Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I'm beginning to understand now why it *is* so completely lame. Apparently, each year there are 15 nominees (presumably designated by some sort of committee) that are then voted on by some larger group/organization. This past year, the top 6 were inducted. The problem is, the nominees suck, and so the real voters have nothing to choose from (IMHO), not that they'd be any better necessarily. Anyway, the Goldmine readers were given the list of 15, plus a slot for write-ins, and were allowed to choose up to 8. (I would've written in all 8.) Here are the 15 official nominees... 1. Fleetwood Mac* 58.1% 2. Mamas & Papas* 55.2% 3. Eagles* 52.1% 4. Santana* 51.9% 5. Del Shannon 51.8% 6. Gene Vincent* 50.8% 7. Billy Joel 39.3% 8. Gene Pitney 39.2% 9. Lloyd Price* 35.1% 10. Dusty Springfield 29.3% 11. The Moonglows 24.8% 12. Earth, Wind, Fire 22.0% 13. Solmon Burke 20.2% 14. The Stooges 17.5% 15. Joe Tex 14.7% The *'s indicate the ones actually inducted, and the numbers given are the percentages of Goldmine readers who chose them on their ballots. Now, first of all, I've never even heard of 5 of these artists, and every time I see the name Gene Vincent, I think of Kiss (but of course, that's wrong isn't it?). Secondly, I've got over 1000 CD's, which cover a pretty significant spectrum of rock music since 1966 (that's part of the problem I see...so many of these seem to be 1950-1965). But I own only 1 CD by all of these artists combined, a Santana - Greatest Hits. But even more dismaying was the response from the Goldmine readers. I would've thought that the majority would be 70's classic rock fans, and as such would have put Deep Purple, Jethro Tull, Pink Floyd, Black Sabbath, Yes, BOC, etc. at the top as write-ins. Of course, these artists were all there (with the exception of BOC, who was made no mention of at all!), but way down the list. Here are the top 10 write-ins... 1. Moody Blues (third year in a row) 2. Paul McCartney 3. The Ventures 4. Connie Francis The Monkees Yes 7. Brenda Lee 8. Black Sabbath Jethro Tull 10. Alice Cooper Lovin' Spoonful Others.... tied for 12th...Deep Purple tied for 21st...Pink Floyd (can you believe that!?!) Again, three of these artists are completely unfamiliar to me. But still, people think the Monkees should be inducted?? For what? Lame slapstick comedy? Or cheesy renditions of other people's songs? Take your pick. And while I quite like some of the Moody Blues albums from 1967-72, they went on to produce some seriously cheesy 'adult contemporary' shlock. I'm quite surprised at their support. Ignoring Go Now, they really only produced two songs that are commonly heard these days (both from the same album), which seems to be an important criterion to voters. Goldmine mentions that over 200 artists were given as write-ins. They printed a selection of 80 of these including Hawkwind, Uriah Heep, 13th floor Elevators, Roxy Music, etc., but still no BOC! Boy, this is depressing. I try not to get too worked up over this, since I've come to realize that no matter what you do, most people are too lazy to bother with finding something to listen to, that isn't simply force-fed to them. But this goes beyond taste....artists like Billy Joel (for instance) really *do* suck, and people shouldn't ever think otherwise...there should be a law against it! Enough ranting. Keith H. (FAA) P.S. What the hell are the Stooges' doing in that list of 15? I've never listened to them ever, but I would vote for them second (behind Santana) just because of my perception of their importance (that being as proto-punk artists). They seem oddly out-of-place...i.e., not lame enough. :) From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Mar 2 12:12:43 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 17:12:43 -0000 Subject: R&RHoF voting Message-ID: On Monday, March 02, 1998 4:55 PM, Keith Henderson [SMTP:henderson.120 at OSU.EDU] wrote: > Now, first of all, I've never even heard of 5 of these artists, and every > time I see the name Gene Vincent, I think of Kiss (but of course, that's > wrong isn't it?). Gene Vincent and the Blue Caps! "Be-Bop-A-Lula", for goodness' sake! If there's any justice, Gene Vincent should be a founder member! > P.S. What the hell are the Stooges' doing in that list of 15? I've never > listened to them ever Well go out and buy _The Stooges_, _Funhouse_ and _Raw Power_ RIGHT NOW in that case! :) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 2 12:34:24 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E Anderson) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 17:34:24 +0000 Subject: OFF: R&RHoF voting Message-ID: On m?n 2 mar 1998 11.55 -0500 "Keith Henderson" wrote: > every > time I see the name Gene Vincent, I think of Kiss (but of course, that's > wrong isn't it?). Yup. Gene Vinent kicked arse :) > But still, > people think the Monkees should be inducted?? For what? Lame slapstick > comedy? Or cheesy renditions of other people's songs? Take your pick. Oooo! Them's fightin' words, mistah! The television show, at least, is classic--and for its time, it was extremely progressive. The music, of course, is secondary, though Mike Nesmith is a god (and Deke Leonard would agree! :) > Goldmine mentions that over 200 artists were given as write-ins. They > printed a selection of 80 of these including Hawkwind, Uriah Heep, 13th > floor Elevators, Roxy Music, etc., but still no BOC! Though the ones you mention are good choices ... Tull and Sabbath get my support, too. And where are Fairport Convention in the list!? :) Or Blue Cheer :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Mar 2 13:03:27 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:03:27 -0500 Subject: OFF: R&RHoF voting Message-ID: Carl sayz... >> every time I see the name Gene Vincent, I think of Kiss (but of course, that's >> wrong isn't it?). > > Yup. Gene Vincent kicked arse :) Andy sayz... >Gene Vincent and the Blue Caps! "Be-Bop-A-Lula", for goodness' sake! If >there's any justice, Gene Vincent should be a founder member! This isn't helping, sorry. I don't know who this is, or what that song is. Sounds like "Little" Richard Penniman to me. (I know him from Taco Bell commercials.) :) To me, music has an AD/BC demarcation at 1967, such that we are now in the year 31 AD. Anything before that is virtually non-existent in my world...that pretty much goes for anything actually....music, literature, movies, you name it. (I guess I'm shallow, now that I think about it.) Nostalgia works very rarely for me, and only (at all) during the time I've been alive...I was born in 3 B.C. :) >> But still, >> people think the Monkees should be inducted?? For what? Lame slapstick >> comedy? Or cheesy renditions of other people's songs? Take your pick. > > Oooo! Them's fightin' words, mistah! > The television show, at least, is classic--and for its time, it was extremely >progressive. The music, of course, is secondary, though Mike Nesmith is a god (and >Deke Leonard would agree! :) Hey, I watched that show quite a bit when it wasn't that old. Haven't seen it in some time though. But yeah, I think some bits were sort of clever, like Bullwinkle kind of, but of course, did Mike Nesmith write that stuff?? Actually, he was responsible for a movie I quite like, 'Repo Man', so I don't dismiss the guy entirely. Just he's no R&RHoF'er in any stretch of the imagination. But perhaps Mickey Dolenz is. :) Oh, and BTW, there's some talk of Man in another article in this issue...about re-releases I believe. > And where are Fairport Convention in the list!? :) Or Blue Cheer :) Entirely absent, like BOC. Keith H. (FAA) From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Mon Mar 2 13:25:10 1998 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:25:10 -0700 Subject: HW-DH!!! Message-ID: Hi all! Just got me a dub of DH-only listened to about 3 tracks so far-WOW!!! I also got Pendragon's "Masquarade Overture". I haven't listened to that yet-looking forward to it, tho!!! Is there a place where Alan Davey's "Captured Rotation" can be purchased here is the states? My buddy has tried every place here to get it-no luck!! Appreciate any help!! I'm also looking for "Alien 4" on cd!! I can't seem to get that here either:) Also Dave Brock's solo work-both of them!!! The CD changer is very nice, and this rockin' lady loves it!!! Now I have to get more of my tunage on cd-that's all there is to it. Rock on! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool On m?n 2 mar 1998 13.03 -0500 "Keith Henderson" wrote: > Carl sayz... >> Yup. Gene Vincent kicked arse :) > > Andy sayz... >>Gene Vincent and the Blue Caps! "Be-Bop-A-Lula", for goodness' sake! If >>there's any justice, Gene Vincent should be a founder member! > > This isn't helping, sorry. I don't know who this is, or what that song is. > Sounds like "Little" Richard Penniman to me. (I know him from Taco Bell > commercials.) :) To me, music has an AD/BC demarcation at 1967, such that > we are now in the year 31 AD. Anything before that is virtually > non-existent in my world... Ah, that explains it. Well, to translate: Gene Vincent was big in the BC rock world, and "Be-Bop-A-Lula" is probably his best known track. John Lennon was a big fan, and covered "Be-Bop-A-Lula" on his 1975 _Rock & Roll_ album. >>> But still, >>> people think the Monkees should be inducted?? For what? Lame slapstick >>> comedy? Or cheesy renditions of other people's songs? Take your pick. >> >> Oooo! Them's fightin' words, mistah! >> The television show, at least, is classic--and for its time, it was > extremely >progressive. The music, of course, is secondary, though Mike > Nesmith is a god (and Deke Leonard would agree! :) > > Hey, I watched that show quite a bit when it wasn't that old. Haven't seen > it in some time though. But yeah, I think some bits were sort of clever, > like Bullwinkle kind of, but of course, did Mike Nesmith write that stuff?? Didn't write material for the shows, though I suppose he did direct an episode. He did write some of the better tunes they recorded, though, and his solo stuff is great (though I can see why it was unmarketable!). (It's a kind of "hat" music, I suppose ... maybe Andy would like it! ;) > Actually, he was responsible for a movie I quite like, 'Repo Man', so I > don't dismiss the guy entirely. Just he's no R&RHoF'er in any stretch of > the imagination. But perhaps Mickey Dolenz is. :) Well, individually, I don't think any of them can qualify :) But as a "rock phenomenon with an enduring legacy" (for good or for ill) I think the "group" (such as it was) does. Trouble covered "Porpoise Song", after all :) But the show was an important precursor to MTV. It drew on and expanded Lester's work on "A Hard Day's Night" by really melding the visual and audio experience. I believe Nesmith observed that the songs weren't much on their own, but combined with the video aspect they were supercharged. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Mar 2 13:30:01 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:30:01 +0000 Subject: OFF: R&RHoF voting In-Reply-To: <199803021803.NAA29727@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: I keep hearing that stand-up comedy is the new rock 'n' roll. Does this mean I can vote for Bernard Manning? (this won't mean anything outside the UK!) Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner HCI Design Centre That I love Luton town" School of Informatics (John Hegley) City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Mar 2 13:56:40 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:56:40 -0000 Subject: OFF: R&RHoF voting Message-ID: On Monday, March 02, 1998 6:30 PM, Hardman DK [SMTP:D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK] wrote: > I keep hearing that stand-up comedy is the new rock 'n' roll. Does this > mean I can vote for Bernard Manning? (this won't mean anything outside > the > UK!) Nah, fashion's the new rock and roll. So you can vote for Naomi Campbell instead :) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Mar 2 14:02:59 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:02:59 -0000 Subject: OFF: R&RHoF voting Message-ID: On Monday, March 02, 1998 6:38 PM, Carl E Anderson [SMTP:cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK] wrote: > > (It's a kind of "hat" music, I suppose ... maybe Andy would like it! > ;) Eh? What? Sorry, I was just listening to the new Madonna record... :) Are we talking about Mike Nesmith still? -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Mar 2 14:10:21 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:10:21 +0000 Subject: OFF: R&RHoF voting In-Reply-To: <01BD460D.F8B9FEA0.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Andy Gilham wrote: > > Nah, fashion's the new rock and roll. So you can vote for Naomi Campbell > instead :) Ah, but the 15 year rule counts her out. Twiggy perhaps? Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner HCI Design Centre That I love Luton town" School of Informatics (John Hegley) City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Mar 2 14:09:51 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:09:51 -0600 Subject: OFF: More Queensryche Message-ID: > Second point relates to Q'ryche. They may not be everbody's cup of tea > yet I am hard pressed to name a more misunderstood group. HITNF is not > "a bit dodgy" (IMHO of course) its just different from its previous > recordings. Does Promise Land sound anything like Empire (One More Time Around notwithstanding)? Does Empire sound much like Mindcrime? Nope. why do people think a band has to stick with a basic formula forever? > Theo>Always liked them, believe it or not, though I never did get the last one. Thought Rage for Order was fantastic, as was Mindcrime. after that, they seemed to lose their edge a bit. I thought the long interval bet. Mindcrime and Empire hurt the band, IMHO... Yes they lost some momentum; but I recall a lot of fans were dissapointed by Empire anyway. I like it very much myself, more commercial flavor to it but a fine effort nonetheless. It took a while to sink my teeth into Promise Land. I admit I was preplexed by it upon first listen. After I figured it out somewhat, hey, its cool. Now granted Hear is far different from anything they have done to date and again folks are complaining. Hear is stripped down music but its still Queensryche. Got some commercial feel like (Some People Fly) Empire and some fairly good rockers (Saved, Hit the Black). Some of it is just so in-betwen bizzare; I can't help but love it (sPOOL). > Want to hear a really far out rumor? OK. Bud of mine on the west coast > tells me the buzz is that the replacement for DiGarmo is none other than > BUCK! I almost fell out of my chair. This bud is young and in to > modern players. Asked me "Isn't that guitarist for that geezer band you > like ... Blue Fish something named Buck? I hear Tate wants him to play > with them. Sucks man why do they need an old fart like that." {Forgive > my young friend, like a some, certainly not all, 20 somethings he has no > respect for the metal movement of the 70's} I don't really buy this but > I could see Mr. Dharma fit snuggly into this group. Hell if I were Buck > and they offered the money I'd do it. > Theo>This can't possibly be serious, but I actually thing BD would work with the band. But really, seeing as how BOC has finally put out a new record, this wouldn't be the time for BD to bail. If HF has any commercial sucess I would think Buck should examine his options carefully, most notably the Buck Dharma Band. I want this album to be a sucess for them yet if it goes gold or platinum then the real pressure is on BOC to do another one. They won't get ten years to produce it this time. As for Queensryche sure thats someones idea of a joke but hey if it happened Flaming Telepaths to the starter of this rumor; the jokes on you. Theo> Regarding younger fans, there are a lot of young folks on this list, and they are very knowledgeable and enthusiastic about BOC and other dino-bands. In fact, most of the members of the various geezer band lists I'm on are kids. Looks good for the younger generation! Agreed and hopefully I did not piss off some of the younger fans here; thought I worded it carefully enough so it wouldn't be considered gospel from me. No this guy I'm referring to has great taste in music he's just "too consistent" in his dislike for 70's bands. I dunno, his formative stages occured in the 80's so he tends to think arena rock was the beginning. Hey, this kid for all his great taste loves Anthrax, go figure. L8er Ghost In The Ruins "Oooo surprise hug from Mr. Freaky Big." - The Tick OBCD - Dead Winter Dead - Savatage From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Mon Mar 2 14:29:36 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 12:29:36 -0700 Subject: HW-DH!!! In-Reply-To: <34FAF986.F5B01EF8@TransWestTaxi.com> Message-ID: > Is there a place where Alan Davey's "Captured Rotation" can be purchased > here is the states? My buddy has tried every place here to get it-no > luck!! Appreciate any help!! > I'm also looking for "Alien 4" on cd!! I can't seem to get that here > either:) Also Dave Brock's solo work-both of them!!! > The CD changer is very nice, and this rockin' lady loves it!!! > Now I have to get more of my tunage on cd-that's all there is to it. > Rock on! > Pam > Try Mike Coleman at Delta-Wave Music. He's at (972)-991-6621, or (972)-991-7552 (this is a voice line as well as a fax line, so don't mind the funny ringing). Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu. From clemens at TRAIL.COM Mon Mar 2 15:04:55 1998 From: clemens at TRAIL.COM (Clemens) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:04:55 -0700 Subject: See You in Black on the air Message-ID: this and a message from Ted are the only messages from boc-l i've received since friday. has anyone else experienced the same? please contact me at the addresss below. thanks. mark clemens at trail.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Mar 2 15:17:42 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E Anderson) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 20:17:42 +0000 Subject: OFF: R&RHoF voting Message-ID: On m?n 2 mar 1998 19.02 +0000 "Andy Gilham" wrote: >> (It's a kind of "hat" music, I suppose ... maybe Andy would like it! >> ;) > > Eh? What? Sorry, I was just listening to the new Madonna record... :) A worrying trend ... > Are we talking about Mike Nesmith still? Well, _I_ was ... :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Mon Mar 2 15:49:04 1998 From: ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Ben Cohen) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:49:04 -0500 Subject: ADMIN: Moderator going on vacation Message-ID: ... or, for the folks on the other side of the pond, "on holiday". :-) As happens occasionally, I'm actually going to be taking a vacation. I will be out of the country (and out of email contact) starting mid-day on this Wednesday, March 4th, through about mid-day on Sunday, March 29th. All normal administrative stuff will need to wait until I return. If there is a critical problem with the list, please contact with the specifics so he can take corrective action. [And, since everyone seems to be worrying - yes, there hasn't been much list traffic lately. :-)] See you all when I get back, YnSSHM, Ben From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Mar 2 15:57:19 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 20:57:19 -0000 Subject: OFF: R&RHoF voting Message-ID: On Monday, March 02, 1998 7:10 PM, Hardman DK [SMTP:D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK] wrote: > On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Andy Gilham wrote: > > > > Nah, fashion's the new rock and roll. So you can vote for Naomi > > Campbell > > instead :) > > Ah, but the 15 year rule counts her out. Twiggy perhaps? > OK. Jean Shrimpton in that case! -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From talger at PIPELINE.COM Mon Mar 2 16:11:08 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:11:08 -0500 Subject: OFF: More Queensryche In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >the beginning. Hey, this kid for all his great taste loves Anthrax, go >figure. > HEY!!!!! what's wrong with Anthrax???? ok, so the older stuff is .....well, ok, I'm not sure how I listened to it sometimes, but the newer stuff with John Bush is pretty good! (anyone remember Armored Saint? good band....shame about the leukemia)..... OBCD - Moonflower Lane - Ty Tabor From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Mon Mar 2 16:56:59 1998 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:56:59 -0500 Subject: OFF: More Queensryche In-Reply-To: from "Ted Alger" at Mar 2, 98 04:11:08 pm Message-ID: Ted Alger writes: > > >the beginning. Hey, this kid for all his great taste loves Anthrax, go > >figure. > > > HEY!!!!! what's wrong with Anthrax???? > ok, so the older stuff is .....well, ok, I'm not sure how I listened > to it sometimes, but the newer stuff with John Bush is pretty good! > (anyone remember Armored Saint? good band....shame about the > leukemia)..... > I'm still looking for _Delerious Nomad_ on CD ("Nervous Man" is a great track). As I know almost nothing about the band, what's the story re: leukemia? Steve From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Mar 2 17:53:52 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 17:53:52 -0500 Subject: OFF: Good record shops in NE England? Message-ID: I'm going on holiday, back to ol' Blighty, this Thursday, for just over a week. I'll be back on my old stamping ground (South Shields). Problem is, I can't remember where there are any good record shops in the North East. I remember there being some good ones around the Haymarket in Newcastle, and Alan Fearnley's in Middlesbrough was always a good bet, but I don't even know if any of them are still in business, let alone very good any more, having not graced their premises in quite some time. :-( So, can anyone recommend anywhere good? I'm looking for psyche/space rock stuff (the kind we gab on about on this list). You know, the sort of thing the Freak Emporium (Delerium), etc. carries. Btw, what is the expected cost of an EBS title? I'm particularly interested in picking up a copy of Nik's _Xitintoday_ on CD, and I'd like to know if I'm getting ripped off without having to do too much comparison shopping. Cheers, Paul. ob2CD: King Crimson, _The Night Watch_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From talger at PIPELINE.COM Mon Mar 2 18:13:37 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:13:37 -0500 Subject: OFF: ok, now it's Armored Saint In-Reply-To: <199803022157.QAA16802@st-canard.spc.edu> Message-ID: >I'm still looking for _Delerious Nomad_ on CD ("Nervous Man" is a >great track). As I know almost nothing about the band, what's the >story re: leukemia? > >Steve Well, sadly, the guitarist on "Delirious Nomad" (Dave Pritchard) was diagnosed with leukemia 8 or 9 years ago and died. Also, last time I checked, Metal Blade Records had "Delirious Nomad" available on their website try http://www.iuma.com/Metal_Blade/ don't remember if they had online ordering, but I'm pretty sure they have a number listed on the site to order by phone and in case you're interested, the bass player from AS (Joey Vera) is a member of Fates Warning now and played on their "A Pleasant Shade of Gray".....excellent album, and last but not least, supposedly Joey told someone at a Fate's concert that AS is going to do another album soon Ted From IMPaine at AOL.COM Tue Mar 3 01:28:26 1998 From: IMPaine at AOL.COM (IMPaine) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 01:28:26 EST Subject: See You in Black on the air Message-ID: I haven't gotten anything since Friday either. - Passerby in Times Square From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Tue Mar 3 01:50:43 1998 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 08:50:43 +0200 Subject: OFF: ok, now it's Armored Saint In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hej, >>I'm still looking for _Delerious Nomad_ on CD ("Nervous Man" is a >>great track). As I know almost nothing about the band, what's the >>story re: leukemia? >> You should b e able to find this, as I have seen it around quite a bit in the states. Great lp!! > >Well, sadly, the guitarist on "Delirious Nomad" (Dave Pritchard) >was diagnosed with leukemia 8 or 9 years ago and died. > This was quite sad as he was a really talented guitar player and a really nice guy. I got to know these guys a little bit as I interviewed then back in 1985 when they opened for mEtallica in a small club in El Paso. I also did an interivew with Lars Ulrich in a pancake house at 1am after the show! I met up with them again on the Delerious tour in Albuquerque and then in 87' I went out to LA got to see them rehearse and hung out at Joey Vera's place. Nice guys. I saw them two other times while living in the bay area. I think the combined blow of working so hard and not really making (thus John Bush left for Anthrax) and the death of Dave, killed the band. One of the best US metal bands ever in my opinion! > >and in case you're interested, the bass player from AS (Joey Vera) is >a member of Fates Warning now and played on their "A Pleasant Shade >of Gray".....excellent album, and last but not least, supposedly Joey >told someone at a Fate's concert that AS is going to do another album >soon Maybe Fates Warning would be worth giving a listen to again if Joey is in the band. Glad to hear that Saint might still exist! SCott oBCD- Domlock Sandhill- Cosmic Soul! R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 38 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Tue Mar 3 03:00:54 1998 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 01:00:54 -0700 Subject: HW-DH!!! Message-ID: Kevin Sommers wrote: > > > Try Mike Coleman at Delta-Wave Music. He's at (972)-991-6621, or > (972)-991-7552 (this is a voice line as well as a fax line, so don't > mind > the funny ringing). > > Kevin Sommers > > primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu. Thanx!! Will do!!!Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool Hej, I have a few things listed below that I have for sale: Albums (most in nearly perfect condition from a danish fellow!) Quark Strangness and Charm (mint) with inner sleeve Warrior (shield cover) mint condition 1st record (Sunset label release) PXR5 (mint) original wronly wired cover, no sticker) Church of Hawkwind (with Book) mint condition Sonic Attack (mint condition) Space Ritual (VG+) Doremi (with inner sleeve) Silver Machine 7 inch (original release with blue and silver cover) CD's Space Ritual Hall of the Mountain Grill Doremi All are the remastered versions. Cosmic Invention- Help your Satori Mind Some HW things I am in need of are: Hawklords- 25 years On CD HW- Stonehenge: This is HW Do not Panic CD HW- Love in Space CD Single HW- Gimmie Shelter CD single Scott ObCD- Cosmic Invention- Help your Satori Mind R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 38 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Tue Mar 3 04:53:21 1998 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 11:53:21 +0200 Subject: HW: Bedouin Message-ID: Hej, I just got a tape of Bedouin from Amsterdam and I really enjoyed the music quite a lot. They remind me of the Electric Tepee era HW. I was suprised to hear a few cool HW songs as well. They did Assassin of Allah, an old tune from the 70's, that I can't think of the name and Wings! Wings was really great to hear. Seems that they could really use a full time synth player as you can really tell they are just triggering sequences and playing around them rather than being a fully interactive band. The drumming I was not impressed with but the guitar player was quite good and had a nice spacey tone at times. If some one could record me the Bedoiun 12 inch and the new CD, I will make you a copy of this 60 min show. The quality is not the best but it is listenable and you get a good idea of what the band is like live. SCOTT ObCD- Solitude Aeternus- Into the Depths of Sorrow R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 38 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Mar 3 05:13:19 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:13:19 +0000 Subject: OFF: Good record shops in NE England? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Paul Mather writes >Btw, what is the expected cost of an EBS title? Still fifteen quid for CYM or SA! Without irony, EBS discs are full price. Don't expect to find anything particularly cheap, if you do it's a bonus. It might be just near me, where everythings 20% more than you'd expect to pay, but really, I ain't seen no mid-price EBS stuff except DH. -- Jon From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 3 06:43:31 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 11:43:31 GMT Subject: HW: Silver Machine/the other comp. In-Reply-To: Johan Edlundh's message of Sat, 31 Aug 1996 22:03:51 +0200 Message-ID: Johan Edlundh writes: > there's another hw compilation out entitled _Silver Machine_ > > ------------------------------------------------- > this said a friend about this item: > > It has an old bandphoto on the cover (all of them sitting on benches with their > feet on a table in the middle). It's on the Legend Label No. WZ 90144. > 10 Tracks on it: Hurry on sundown, Dreaming, Master of the Universe, In the > egg, > Orgone Accumulator, Sonic Attack, Silver Machine. > (yes, I can also count to seven - \j) > ------------------------------------------------- > > anyone having it? I've finally found it. It looks like it's been released on Hallmark in the UK and is priced at 4.99 Pounds 1998 Silver Machine CD [Hallmark compilation] Hurry On Sundown Space Is Deep Motorhead Magnu Angels Of Death We Do It British Tribal Music Ghost Dance World Of Tiers Urban Guerilla Earth Calling Silver Machine All tracks are a straight lift from the Acid Daze compilations. > \\joe FoFP From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Mar 3 06:56:02 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 11:56:02 -0000 Subject: HW: Silver Machine/the other comp. Message-ID: Whiel we're on dodgy HW comps, I saw that "Welcome to the Future" thing ("four albums and one double-album on 4 CDs!") in Tower yesterday on the new releases rack for 13.99. (Same price as _Ray of Light_. Guess which I bought :) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue Mar 3 10:35:46 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:35:46 -0500 Subject: BOC: HW: New Motorhead album Message-ID: I just checked the CMC site looking for Heaven Forbid (which hasn't been added to the site yet, unfortunately) when I noticed the icon for Motorhead had changed. Well, it turns out that they have a new album called Snake Bite Love coming out on March 10th. CMC didn't give any specifics about the album, but there is a sound clip of one of the new songs. My computer here at work doesn't have a sound card, so I wasn't able to check it out. I really enjoyed their last album, Overnight Sensation, so hopefully Snake Bite Love will compare favorably. I guess the Lemmy fans on this list will find out next week. Brian From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Tue Mar 3 10:35:58 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 15:35:58 -0000 Subject: Bedouin album in UK Message-ID: Anyone know where I can get the Bedouin album in the UK? No record shops seem to have heard of it... Kevin Perry Sonic Energy Authority http://freespace.virgin.net/kevin.perry/ From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue Mar 3 10:46:12 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:46:12 -0500 Subject: BOC: New tour dates Message-ID: The CMC site has BOC dates listed through April 2. Anyone go to the Daytona Beach show last Sunday? Brian From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Mar 3 10:49:02 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E Anderson) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 15:49:02 +0000 Subject: BOC: HW: New Motorhead album Message-ID: Yup, and by all accounts it will kick arse and take names. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 3 10:52:25 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 15:52:25 GMT Subject: Hawkwind 5-CD set Message-ID: Just been talking to Ande Garibaldi and got the scooby on this one. Apparently it's transmogrified into a 4-CD set of the Demi-Monde albums listed as an appendix to this article. The upshot is: * There is *NO* new material in this set. The fifth CD was to have been the second side of the Text of Festival double LP which hasn't made it to CD. This isn't now part of the package. * What you're getting here is really 3 and a bit albums since only the, admittedly long, track "Sound..Shouldn't..Improvise" on the text of Festival CD isn't also contained on the In The Beginning CD. * The In The beginning CD is here called "Master of the Universe" and isn't to be confused with three different Masters of the Universe compilations of the same name. * The whole set is retailing for just 13.99 Pounds and so there might be an argument for buying if you don't already have Space Ritual II, which is worth hearing. * This is part of a continually reissued set of tracks in endless compilations none of which the band ever see money for. Hope this clarifies the issues for everyone. If it helps decide, this Kollector isn't buying it. 1985 In The Beginning (Live "Top Gear" BBC Session 1970) (Demi-Monde) (Sides 1 and 2 of Text of Festival. Re-issued on CD 1993 as Master Of The Universe and again 1994 as In The Beginning) * Comments: very poor sound quality Master Of The Universe (Brock/Turner) Dreaming (Brock) Shouldn't Do That (Brock) Hurry On A Sundown (Brock) Paranoia (Brock) See It As You Really Are (Brock) I Do It (Brock) Came Home (Brock) 1985 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin (Demi Monde)(live) [all tracks are from early tapes] Gaga In The Egg (narration) Orgone Accumulator Wage War (narration) Urban Guerrilla Master Of The Universe Welcome To The Future Sonic Attack Silver Machine 1985 Space Ritual II (American Phonograph) live Space Ritual from different venues Space Orgone Accumulator Upside Down Sonic Attack Time We Left 10 seconds of Forever Brainstorm Seven by Seven Master of the Universe Welcome to the Future 1983 The Text Of Festival: Live 1970-2 (Illuminated/DemiMonde) (live early tracks) [sides 1 and 2 reissued as In The Beginning] Master Of The Universe Dreaming Shouldn't Do That Hurry On A Sundown Paranoia See It As You Really Are I Do It Sound..Shouldn't..Improvise... [You Shouldn't Do That] Improvise..Compromise..Reprise. [Paranoia and Be Yourself] * Comments: "Came Home" is listed but doesn't appear on the album. The CD lists the last track but it is really the 2nd last track misnamed. The last track is missing from the CD. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Mar 3 10:54:41 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 15:54:41 -0000 Subject: HW: Lemmy on TV again Message-ID: Apparently Lemmy is on this week's "Never Mind the Buzzcocks" (a normally feeble quiz show), and he walked out because it was crassly sexist. No word on whether they'll show him walking out or not! -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 3 11:02:12 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:02:12 GMT Subject: Bedouin album in UK In-Reply-To: Kevin Perry's message of Tue, 3 Mar 1998 15:35:58 -0000 Message-ID: Kevin Perry writes: > Anyone know where I can get the Bedouin album in the UK? No record shops > seem to have heard of it... Yep: Compact Disc Services Magnum House 140 Seagate Dundee DD1 2HF Scotland Tel 01382 776595 Fax 01382 736702 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Mar 3 11:16:05 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E Anderson) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:16:05 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind 5-CD set Message-ID: On tis 3 mar 1998 15.52 +0000 "M Holmes" wrote: > Hope this clarifies the issues for everyone. If it helps decide, this > Kollector isn't buying it. Alert the media!! ;) Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 3 11:16:53 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:16:53 GMT Subject: HW: Lemmy on TV again In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Tue, 3 Mar 1998 15:54:41 -0000 Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > Apparently Lemmy is on this week's "Never Mind the Buzzcocks" (a normally > feeble quiz show), and he walked out because it was crassly sexist. No > word on whether they'll show him walking out or not! Lemmy was pictured on the front of the Grauniad magazine on Saturday. FoFP From mumford at ONLINE.NO Tue Mar 3 11:28:29 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (christian mumford) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:28:29 +0100 Subject: HW: Lemmy on TV again Message-ID: > Lemmy was pictured on the front of the Grauniad magazine on Saturday. > > FoFP What's a Grauniad?? ;) Christian From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Mar 3 11:52:45 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 11:52:45 -0500 Subject: HW: Lemmy on TV again In-Reply-To: <199803031630.RAA09962@online.no> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, christian mumford wrote: > > Lemmy was pictured on the front of the Grauniad magazine on Saturday. > > > > FoFP > > What's a Grauniad?? ;) It's the nickname for the British daily newspaper "The Guardian", due to its historic notoriety for tpyos. Cheers, Paul. ob2CD: King Crimson, _The Night Watch_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Mar 3 12:07:02 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 12:07:02 -0500 Subject: OFF: Radiohead Message-ID: Hey everybody... What's the deal with Radiohead?? I had never heard of this band until about a month ago, when I started seeing people posting about them on PT-Trans. And I got the impression that they had saved the world or something. And the word 'progressive' kept showing up. Then, the other day, I was perusing through a local used CD store, and saw one from 1992-3 (Pablo Honey), and picked it up to see what it was that got everybody so excited. It's nothing...ordinary, 'alternative-style' rock. So have they evolved into something far less banal in the last 5 years?? Is this OK Computer (?) disc really good? Am I the only one who hasn't heard any of this?? Keith H. (FAA) P.S. BTW, has PT-Trans vanished suddenly?? I haven't gotten anything lately. ObCD: Happy the Man - Retrospective From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 3 12:24:35 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:24:35 GMT Subject: HW: Lemmy on TV again In-Reply-To: christian mumford's message of Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:28:29 +0100 Message-ID: christian mumford writes: > > Lemmy was pictured on the front of the Grauniad magazine on Saturday. > > > > FoFP > > What's a Grauniad?? ;) It's a joke on the British newspaper "The Guardian" which has had so many spelling mistakes that it's known by some as "The Grauniad". There's a possibly apocryphal tale that they did once spell their banner this way. > Christian FoFP From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Tue Mar 3 12:28:30 1998 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 18:28:30 +0100 Subject: OFF: R&RHoF voting Message-ID: Naomi is really good looking, surely she must be more than 15 ? ; ^> Kenneth >On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Andy Gilham wrote: >> >> Nah, fashion's the new rock and roll. So you can vote for Naomi Campbell >> instead :) > >Ah, but the 15 year rule counts her out. Twiggy perhaps? > >Dave > >****************************************************************************** > >David Hardman "Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner >HCI Design Centre That I love Luton town" >School of Informatics (John Hegley) >City University >Northampton Square >London EC1V 0HB > >Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 >Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 >E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk >***************************************************************************** -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- "- Vet du vem som best?mmer p? dataavdelningen ? - De e la databasen !" -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ The Moor Tour Info http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/themoor.htm This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Mar 3 12:20:01 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:20:01 +0000 Subject: HW: Lemmy on TV again In-Reply-To: <01BD46BC.D4600360.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: In article <01BD46BC.D4600360.Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com>, Andy Gilham writes >Apparently Lemmy is on this week's "Never Mind the Buzzcocks" (a normally >feeble quiz show), and he walked out because it was crassly sexist. No >word on whether they'll show him walking out or not! > >-Andy Could be wrong here, but I heard he walked out of the after show drinkies, rather than the show. This from a man who said "I'm not playing anymore till I see some tits!" (all the girls in the front row had their shirts up instantly - I saw it with my own eyes, so it's just an observation) and "When I die, I going to heavan with my thousand girlfriends." etc. etc. -- Jon From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Mar 2 12:46:51 1998 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 17:46:51 GMT Subject: HW: Lemmy on TV again In-Reply-To: <01BD46BC.D4600360.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Mar 1998 15:54:41 -0000, you sent through the ether: >Apparently Lemmy is on this week's "Never Mind the Buzzcocks" (a normally >feeble quiz show), and he walked out because it was crassly sexist. No >word on whether they'll show him walking out or not! According to Mark Lamar on GLR last Friday he walked out *after* the show and *after* he`d sung the intro to "Tie a yellow ribbon".. the Lamar wasn`t very impressed with the Lemmy evidently.. S. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Mar 3 13:42:40 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E Anderson) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 18:42:40 +0000 Subject: OFF: Radiohead Message-ID: Nope, pretty straight 90s pop-rock if memory of some of my younger acquaintances CDs serves ... -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Tue Mar 3 13:35:20 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 18:35:20 +0000 Subject: OFF: Radiohead In-Reply-To: <199803031707.MAA25275@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Keith Henderson wrote: So have they evolved into > something far less banal in the last 5 years?? Is this OK Computer (?) disc > really good? Am I the only one who hasn't heard any of this?? > All I can say is that OK Computer shows a degree of invention that few bands are even interested in achieving these days. Give it a whirl... D ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner HCI Design Centre That I love Luton town" School of Informatics (John Hegley) City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Mar 3 13:53:03 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E Anderson) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 18:53:03 +0000 Subject: HW: Lemmy on TV again Message-ID: On tis 3 mar 1998 17.20 +0000 "Jon Browne" wrote: > Could be wrong here, but I heard he walked out of the after show > drinkies, rather than the show. This from a man who said "I'm not > playing anymore till I see some tits!" (all the girls in the front row > had their shirts up instantly - I saw it with my own eyes, so it's just > an observation) and "When I die, I going to heavan with my thousand > girlfriends." etc. etc. "What's wrong with being sexy?" ;) :) I dunno. I have a gut feeling that "sexism" is different than inciting women to bare their torsos ... I'm not entirely sure where the difference is. Attitude? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Mar 3 13:52:00 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 18:52:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Lemmy on TV again In-Reply-To: Steve Pond's mail of Mon, 2 Mar 98 17:46 +0000 Message-ID: On 02 Mar 17:46, Steve Pond wrote: > Lamarr wasn`t very impressed with the Lemmy evidently.. Praise indeed! I would hate to be liked by Mark Lamarr. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 472 4782 From deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET Tue Mar 3 17:02:52 1998 From: deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET (Aaron Crandall) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:02:52 -0800 Subject: BOC: HW: New Motorhead album Message-ID: I'm listening to "Snake Bite Love" right now on www.hardradio.com (one of the coolest sites ever!!). It sounds good so far...apparently they are going to broadcast a live Motorhead concert later this week... Aaron Crandall deadline at cyberhighway.net >I just checked the CMC site looking for Heaven >Forbid (which hasn't been added to the site yet, >unfortunately) when I noticed the icon for >Motorhead had changed. Well, it turns out that >they have a new album called Snake Bite Love >coming out on March 10th. CMC didn't give any >specifics about the album, but there is a sound >clip of one of the new songs. My computer here >at work doesn't have a sound card, so I wasn't >able to check it out. I really enjoyed their last >album, Overnight Sensation, so hopefully Snake >Bite Love will compare favorably. I guess the Lemmy >fans on this list will find out next week. > >Brian > From johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM Tue Mar 3 16:02:55 1998 From: johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 22:02:55 +0100 Subject: HW: Silver Machine/the other comp. Message-ID: hi folks, back in the box again. At 11:43 1998-03-03 GMT, you wrote: >Johan Edlundh writes: > >> there's another hw compilation out entitled _Silver Machine_ this was written many moons ago. >> ------------------------------------------------- >> this said a friend about this item: >> >> It has an old bandphoto on the cover (all of them sitting on benches with their >> feet on a table in the middle). It's on the Legend Label No. WZ 90144. >> 10 Tracks on it: Hurry on sundown, Dreaming, Master of the Universe, In the >> egg, >> Orgone Accumulator, Sonic Attack, Silver Machine. >> (yes, I can also count to seven - \j) >> ------------------------------------------------- >> >> anyone having it? > >I've finally found it. It looks like it's been released on Hallmark in >the UK and is priced at 4.99 Pounds you mean you've found a *third* Silver Machine? >1998 Silver Machine CD [Hallmark compilation] > Hurry On Sundown > Space Is Deep > Motorhead > Magnu > Angels Of Death > We Do It > British Tribal Music > Ghost Dance > World Of Tiers > Urban Guerilla > Earth Calling > Silver Machine that Silver Machine I wrote about is Germany pressed, on the Legend label, cat# WZ 90144. track list: Hurry on a Sundown Dreaming Master of the Universe In the Egg Orgone Accumulator Sonic Attack Silver Machine in fact exactly as my friend described it. >All tracks are a straight lift from the Acid Daze compilations. go figure where the Legend tracks are taken from... ;0) and don't mix it up with the Karusell/Spectrum incarnation. >> \\joe > >FoFP -joe From rpmanny at SPRYNET.COM Tue Mar 3 17:33:10 1998 From: rpmanny at SPRYNET.COM (Richard Manny) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:33:10 -0500 Subject: BOC: New tour dates Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: brian halligan To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Tuesday, March 03, 1998 10:50 AM Subject: BOC: New tour dates >The CMC site has BOC dates listed through >April 2. > >Anyone go to the Daytona Beach show last >Sunday? > >Brian No, but I went to the Bradenton, FL show last night. It was an excellent show, more to come. Richard From squinn at PALMNET.NET Tue Mar 3 19:49:56 1998 From: squinn at PALMNET.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 19:49:56 -0500 Subject: BOC: New tour dates Message-ID: brian halligan wrote: > > The CMC site has BOC dates listed through > April 2. > > Anyone go to the Daytona Beach show last > Sunday? > > Brian Yup - I was there ! - Shawn From talger at PIPELINE.COM Tue Mar 3 21:58:59 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 21:58:59 -0500 Subject: OFF: ok, now it's Armored Saint In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >This was quite sad as he was a really talented guitar player and a really >nice guy. I got to know these guys a little bit as I interviewed then back >in 1985 when they opened for mEtallica in a small club in El Paso. I also >did an interivew with Lars Ulrich in a pancake house at 1am after the show! >I met up with them again on the Delerious tour in Albuquerque and then in >87' I went out to LA got to see them rehearse and hung out at Joey Vera's >place. Nice guys. I saw them two other times while living in the bay area. >I think the combined blow of working so hard and not really making (thus >John Bush left for Anthrax) and the death of Dave, killed the band. One of >the best US metal bands ever in my opinion! > this sounds pretty interesting! do you have any good stories to tell about these encounters? they were definitely one of the few 80's metal bands to come out of California to really make a lasting impression....and even after Dave's death, they put out a pretty good album (Symbol of Salvation) with original guitarist Phil Sandoval and another guitar player....also, did you know that Joey is also playing on Kevin Moore's (ex Dream Theater) project? it's called ChromaKey if I recall correctly > > >Maybe Fates Warning would be worth giving a listen to again if Joey is in >the band. Glad to hear that Saint might still exist! > I would definitely give "A Pleasant Shade of Gray" a listen...it's phenomenal......I wrote FW off as a poor imitation of Queensryche in the 80's and had to go back and listen to the last couple of albums and revise my opinion after this one! Ted ObCD - Joe Satriani - Crystal Planet From walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET Tue Mar 3 22:13:05 1998 From: walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET (Walrus) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 22:13:05 -0500 Subject: HW: Party 1997 Message-ID: howdy guess what i'm listening to? you got it, party 1999! a stroke of luck i got both party 99 and nik's past or future within a couple of days of each other.. this live one seems much "cleaner" than others i've heard, eg space ritual (party that is).. on the other hand, past or future seems more "raw" than nik's space ritual 94.. anyway, i wonder why they decided to release party in 97 rather than 99? (besides for our sakes!) :) wal ps. anyone know where i might find the book "this is hawkwind do not panic" in the US or online ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______ " The gentle madness Walrus _______\_ has touched my hand walrus at neuron.net /__\O/__/= Now I'm just a _|\ .^. Cosmic Man ... " | \_/ From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Tue Mar 3 22:57:27 1998 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 22:57:27 -0500 Subject: Rock&Roll Hall of Fame Message-ID: All this discussion of the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame reminded me of this review that I wrote up for the Imaginitive Rock list, after my own visit to the HoF about a year and a half ago. It seems an appropriate time to post it here... > A VISIT TO THE SCHLOCK AND WHORE HALL OF FAME > > It was an experience. The whole thing was like an escaped side-show > from Disney World. Clean, neat white halls; brushed stainless steel > display cases; slender, androgynous plastic mannequins dressed up in the > sweat stained leather and spandex of generations of rock and roll > animals. To put it bluntly, it sucked. It was a wildly, wholly > inappropriate, squeaky clean, preserved-under-glass tribute the > unruly genre it purports to honor. > > The lower galleries were the best parts of it. They feature video > snippets (all much too brief) of a variety of performers - a wonderful > array of talent and spectacle. Classic albums and the equipment of > famous performers, displayed showcase-style, with the video monitors > overhead giving you a taste of what the live performances of the era > were like. My favorite was a Stooges clip, showing Iggy doing that > aggressive slouch of his right over the edge of the stage, and falling > into the crowd. A downward pointing arrow is superimposed on the > video, to direct your attention to the complete mayhem in the crowd > there, and is dutifully captioned "Iggy Pop". It made my day. The > whole RNR Hall of Fame should have been more like that. > > The real problem is that not enough space is devoted to that kind of > of raw, funny, irreverent presentation. Performers are treated like > some kind of religious icons, instead of the unruly, sexy, hedonistic, > piss-on-the-establishment, piss-on-everything-else-too kind of people > we know and love. > > I'm not saying that rock and roll doesn't deserve its hall of fame. > I'm also not saying that it should be located in a burned out brick > building that stinks of urine and has the walls and ceiling painted > black. But somewhere, this current venture just took a wrong turn. > When I saw the slender, effeminate mannequin of "Lemmy", which looked > like David Bowie with paste-on sideburns (ALL the mannequins, male and > female, look like Bowie), I had more than a vague urge to stick some > chewing gum on its face to give it boils. > > The actual "Hall of Fame" is a dark, dead silent room with dozens of > luminescant signatures on the walls. It feels like a shrine, not like > anything at all to do with rock-n-roll. I suppose that fans of > Hendrix and Lennon, and the other semi-mystical figures in the history > of the genre might feel at home there, but I felt kind of silly. It > seemed that maybe I should be lighting a votive candle, or toking up > and talking about how we are star dust, we are golden - when what I > really wanted to do was scream "FOR GOD'S SAKE, TURN ON THE FUCKING > MUSIC!!!" > > Steve > swann at panix.com > From Brizo777 at AOL.COM Wed Mar 4 05:05:36 1998 From: Brizo777 at AOL.COM (Brizo777) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 05:05:36 EST Subject: Rock&Roll Hall of Fame Message-ID: An extremely poignant review...makes me wonder if us old rocker/rocker fans shouldn't petition for some sort of repatriation act....:-) Briz From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 4 05:45:39 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:45:39 GMT Subject: HW: Silver Machine/the other comp. In-Reply-To: Johan Edlundh's message of Tue, 3 Mar 1998 22:02:55 +0100 Message-ID: Johan Edlundh writes: > >I've finally found it. It looks like it's been released on Hallmark in > >the UK and is priced at 4.99 Pounds > > > you mean you've found a *third* Silver Machine? > > that [second] Silver Machine I wrote about is Germany pressed, > on the Legend label, cat# WZ 90144. > > track list: > > Hurry on a Sundown > Dreaming > Master of the Universe > In the Egg > Orgone Accumulator > Sonic Attack > Silver Machine Oh Bugger. Well, I'm still looking for this one then. If anyone sees it then please grab it and I'll trade. > >All tracks are a straight lift from the Acid Daze compilations. > > go figure where the Legend tracks are taken from... ;0) The same set of stuff. These tracks are from Yuri/Welcome to the Future. > -joe FoFP From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 4 04:29:50 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:29:50 +0000 Subject: OFF: Radiohead In-Reply-To: <199803031707.MAA25275@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: In article <199803031707.MAA25275 at mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu>, Keith Henderson writes > So have they evolved into >something far less banal in the last 5 years?? It's much more polished now, but if you found no redeeming qualities on Pablo Honey then I wouldn't recommend OK Computer to you. If you disliked PH because it lacks OOHPH, you still notice the absence on the later works. It's deliberate. I actually prefer the 2nd album The Bends. > Is this OK Computer (?) disc >really good? I think so. > Am I the only one who hasn't heard any of this?? It has been voted Most Important Album of the 90's in some UK Music mags like Select. I think Mojo voted it 7th best LP of all time. (which, of course, is meaningless, except to say a lot of people like it right now) Hear it once at least, and judge for yerself. -- Jon From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Mar 4 07:12:41 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:12:41 -0000 Subject: Rock&Roll Hall of Fame Message-ID: I haven't been to Cleveland, and to be honest I've no particular plans to do so, but I have been to the R&RHoF web site :) Point one about the HoF, surely, is it's basically a marketing exercise; we've got something in London called "Rock Circus", which is basically a tourist thing, and the only reason you'd go if you actually live here is to try and pick up Belgian teenagers (a valid enough reason, I suppose). Anyway! It's got dummies outside made up look like such disparate figures as Tina Turner, Sid Vicious etc - Hey, kids! It's all rock and roll! It's all part of that marvellous tapestry of popular music! I like it like it yes I do! Anyway back to the HoF - my main observation about the "inductees" is they're extremely conservative. Which I suppose is fair enough if you want to build up credibility, but results in being very dull. And they take a very wide definition of "rock and roll", which includes all the Tamla Motown stable. I think this may be fair enough, not just an exercise in PC, because it's be impossible to draw a line anyway. "Our kind of music" is represented by Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, and the Velvet Underground. Which out of a hundred or so inductees is fair enough I thought. Even though personally I was never really into Floyd or Zep. But it's all so BORING! -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Mar 4 09:05:12 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:05:12 -0500 Subject: HW: Party 1997 Message-ID: Walrus wrote: > space ritual (party that is).. on the other hand, past or future seems > more "raw" than nik's space ritual 94.. 'sfunny, i thot the oposite... that SR94 was really noisy and past or future was very polished.. > anyway, i wonder why they decided to release party in 97 rather than 99? > (besides for our sakes!) :) cuz dey need da money now? > ps. anyone know where i might find the book "this is hawkwind do not > panic" in the US or online ? good luck.rj From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed Mar 4 09:45:28 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (christian mumford) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:45:28 +0100 Subject: HW: Party 1997 Message-ID: sprawl writes: > > Walrus wrote: > > > space ritual (party that is).. on the other hand, past or future seems > > more "raw" than nik's space ritual 94.. > > 'sfunny, i thot the oposite... that SR94 was really noisy and past or future > was very polished.. Yeah me too. PoF? is the best of the two IMO. SR94 is alot looser and noisier, theres just something about that solidly crunchy guitar on PoF? I love whereas Creed on SR94 does alot more noodling. As for PoF? AND 1999 Party being purchased at the same time, it makes my mind reel! My two favorite live albums of the HW family... Christian ObReplaced: Sundial - Overspill EP hahahah! ObBummer: it's probably included on the recent Sundial rarities comp anyway! From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed Mar 4 10:14:17 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (christian mumford) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:14:17 +0100 Subject: Rock&Roll Hall of Fame Message-ID: > Anyway back to the HoF - my main observation about the "inductees" is > they're extremely conservative. Which I suppose is fair enough if you want > to build up credibility, What do you mean? If there's anything that IMO goes against conservatism it should be the ever changing face of (real anyway) rock'n'roll. These people have some yucky, unpassionate, glitzy showbiz view of it all, know nothing about music, and probably never attended a rock'n' roll show... except the Grammys on TV or something. but results in being very dull. And they take a > very wide definition of "rock and roll", which includes all the Tamla > Motown stable. I think this may be fair enough, not just an exercise in > PC, because it's be impossible to draw a line anyway. Why limit it to 'rock'n'roll' - its such a misunderstood/overused/narrowly defined term anyway. But they do deserve credit for getting the Stooges or Motorhead or Velvet Underground in there (i.e. actual no shit genuine rock'n'roll)! Well and I am sure Jerry Lee Lewis and the original rock'n'rollers are in there too so... > Even though personally I was never really into Floyd or Zep. > > But it's all so BORING! Zep or Floyd? ;) christian > -Andy > > -- > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Mar 4 10:46:52 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E Anderson) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:46:52 +0000 Subject: HW: Party 1997 Message-ID: On ons 4 mar 1998 15.45 +0100 "christian mumford" wrote: > ObBummer: it's probably included on the recent Sundial rarities comp > anyway! _What_ Sundial rarities comp!? Sounds good to find ... -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Mar 4 10:46:59 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:46:59 -0000 Subject: Rock&Roll Hall of Fame Message-ID: On Wednesday, March 04, 1998 3:14 PM, christian mumford [SMTP:mumford at ONLINE.NO] wrote: > > Anyway back to the HoF - my main observation about the "inductees" is > > they're extremely conservative. Which I suppose is fair enough if you > want > > to build up credibility, > > What do you mean? Well, I guess they're trying to get everyone on their side by not offending anyone. There's not many acts they've "inducted" you could take a violent objection to (except maybe Rod Stewart :). But I agree the whole thing is absurd, really - rock and roll is *about* offending people! Not celebrating what your dad used to listen to! We don't really go in for halls of fame in this country. That's what we've got an honours system for. We just give them knighthoods. When they're sufficiently geriatric. If there's anything that IMO goes against conservatism > it > should be the ever changing face of (real anyway) rock'n'roll. These > people > have some yucky, unpassionate, glitzy showbiz view of it all, know > nothing > about music, and probably never attended a rock'n' roll show... except > the > Grammys on TV or something. Now I'd agree that the Grammys are "lame". Not just for the notorious time when they finally included a heavy metal category, only to give it to Jethro Tull!!!! I suppose they reflect someone's taste, but whose? -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 4 10:55:35 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:55:35 GMT Subject: Making Hawkwind eletronic comp Message-ID: I'm thinking of making a compilation of Hawkwind electronic tracks looking for those in the TD style. The ones I figure have to go in are: Forge of Vulcan Blue Shift Wind of Change The Iron Dream Satellite Lost Chronicles Wastelands Any others a must? FoFP From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Mar 4 11:05:40 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:05:40 -0500 Subject: HW: Party 1997 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Walrus wrote: > anyway, i wonder why they decided to release party in 97 rather than 99? > (besides for our sakes!) :) Because the title refers not to the release date, but to the tour/event. Listen to the album and you can actually hear Nik(?) saying, "the year is 1999..." Cheers, Paul. obCD: King Crimson, _The Night Watch_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Wed Mar 4 11:06:49 1998 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:06:49 GMT Subject: Making Hawkwind eletronic comp Message-ID: FoFP asks:- I'm thinking of making a compilation of Hawkwind electronic tracks looking for those in the TD style Any others a must? How about Goat Willow ? From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 4 07:42:55 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:42:55 +0000 Subject: HW: Lemmy on TV again In-Reply-To: <199803031852.SAA04207@abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <199803031852.SAA04207 at abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk>, Dave Berry writes > >Praise indeed! I would hate to be liked by Mark Lamarr. > >Dave. He likes my brother! He gave him a lift home the other day from The Jon Spencer Blues Explosion gig. I asked him what kind of car he's got, expecting some big ol' 50's Humber or similar, but no, it's a Ford RS Turbo. Boy racer with go-faster stripes. -- Jon Browne From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Wed Mar 4 11:56:14 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:56:14 -0700 Subject: Making Hawkwind eletronic comp In-Reply-To: <199803041555.PAA03795@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > I'm thinking of making a compilation of Hawkwind electronic tracks > looking for those in the TD style. The ones I figure have to go in are: > Any others a must? > > FoFP Some of these maybe? Prelude The Dream of Isis Mist of Meriden Window Pane Virgin of the World Elfin Shade Gate Berlin Axis Wave Upon Wave Moonbeam various stuff from IITBOTFTBD Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 4 07:53:56 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:53:56 +0000 Subject: HW: Lemmy on TV again In-Reply-To: <3271922.3097939983@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <3271922.3097939983 at cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk>, Carl E Anderson writes > I have a gut feeling that "sexism" is different than >inciting women to bare their torsos ... I'm not entirely sure where the >difference is. Attitude? > >Cheers, >Carl After seeing required bosoms, he did then dedicate the song to "you two nice titties" rather than gratefully thank their owner. But I'm inclined to agree with you. At the same time, I think I might be making excuses to myself for someone because I think he's great. In all candour, I don't think the Lemsters done a huge amount for the Sisterhood. Anyway, times change even if HM was largely nekkid chicks in the '70's, something that Motorhead covers did avoid. But no, there's nothing wrong with being sexy. (No smiley, even if it's a Bad News quote!) -- Jon It says "sausages" up there, where me other sausage? From micci at SCI.FI Wed Mar 4 12:47:51 1998 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 19:47:51 +0200 Subject: HW: Silver Machine/the other comp. Message-ID: >Johan Edlundh writes: >hi folks, >back in the box again. > > You are welcome, welcome, welcome... Nice to see you again in here. Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Mar 4 13:33:41 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:33:41 PST Subject: Making Hawkwind eletronic comp Message-ID: >I'm thinking of making a compilation of Hawkwind electronic tracks >looking for those in the TD style. > >Any others a must? > >FoFP > What about Lifeform? Is that the one on PXR5 with the alien voice reciting "...victor...victor..."?? C. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Mar 4 13:40:59 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:40:59 PST Subject: OFF: primiti too taa Message-ID: [Kevin Sommers sayeth unto thee] > >primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu. > And I say unto him, with a questioning tone....Why does this sound like the noises made by one of the droids on the Rebel Alliance ship which is captured by an Imperial Star Destroyer at the beginning of Star Wars? It's either that scene or something which is said to Jabba the Hutt by his henchman (whose name has slipped my mind, but you know the one - he had two massive tentacles growing from the back of his head and Luke Skywalker uses a Jedi Mind Trick_TM_ on him) at the beginning of Return of the Jedi. Yes that's it - the second one definitely. Or is it Klingon? Tell me do... Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Mar 4 13:43:22 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:43:22 PST Subject: HW: Lemmy on TV again Message-ID: >But no, there's nothing wrong with being sexy. (No smiley, even if it's >a Bad News quote!) >-- >Jon SPINAL TAP!!! And now it comes to mind....has anyone seen or heard of the Spinal Tap Laserdisc or CD-ROM with the film plus promos and all the extra footage??? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 4 13:47:46 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:47:46 GMT Subject: HW: Lemmy on TV again In-Reply-To: Horse Whisperer's message of Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:43:22 PST Message-ID: Horse Whisperer writes: > And now it comes to mind....has anyone seen or heard of the Spinal Tap > Laserdisc or CD-ROM with the film plus promos and all the extra > footage??? Do you mean the one that comes with a build it yourself scale replica of Stonehenge? FoFP From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 4 13:59:24 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:59:24 GMT Subject: HW: Lemmy on TV again In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:47:46 GMT Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > Horse Whisperer writes: > > > And now it comes to mind....has anyone seen or heard of the Spinal Tap > > Laserdisc or CD-ROM with the film plus promos and all the extra > > footage??? > > Do you mean the one that comes with a build it yourself scale replica of > Stonehenge? There was a free small blob of green jelly on offer too wasn't there? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Mar 4 14:58:09 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E Anderson) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 19:58:09 +0000 Subject: HW: Lemmy on TV again Message-ID: On ons 4 mar 1998 12.53 +0000 "Jon Browne" wrote: > But no, there's nothing wrong with being sexy. (No smiley, even if it's > a Bad News quote!) Especially since it's a Spinal Tap quote ;) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 4 14:29:59 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:29:59 EDT Subject: byrds/hw? Message-ID: Submitted for your approval, an exchange bet. me and a bloke on another list: > Dan, > This is an excellent post. Okay with you if a send it to the > Hawkwind list [with your name and address omitted, of course]? > > > Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:51:36 -0500 (EST) > > From: Dan Parmenter > > > > > Speaking of The Byrds, I unearthed a couple of major finds while music > > >shopping last week; I dragged my SPUD into Y&T Records to pick up an album > > >I had them set aside for me(The Minglewood Band from Nova Scotia; my wife > > >and I are planning a trip there this summer). While my wife browsed the > > >children's section for our children-to-be, I stumbled across a cassette of > > >Byrds rarities I've never seen before called Never Before.(Of course)Side 1 > > >is mostly Gene Clark, including the title track, which Gene finally heard > > >for the first time in 20 years when the album was being prepared a few > > >years ago, and couldn't remember recording it. Side 2 is mostly David > > >Crosby, including a Byrds version of "Triad," which I didn't know they'd > > >recorded. Also included is the stereo single version of "Mr Tamborine Man" > > >and its Gene Clark penned B-side, and an alternate take of "Eight Miles > > >High" that was supposed to be the one released but the record company > > >preffered the smoother take we all know. > > > > Most of this stuff is now available as extra tracks on the new Byrds > > reissues, even stuff like "Moog Raga", which if I'm not mistaken only > > shows up on the CD of NEVER BEFORE. It shows up on NOTORIOUS BYRD > > BROTHERS, which is probably my single favorite psychedelic album. > > "Triad" was intended for this album in fact, but it got nixed in favor > > of "Goin' Back", which if you listen to both is admitedly a difficult > > choice! Crosby does not sing on the latter cut. It was this and > > other hassles that led to Crosby quitting the Byrds. Interestingly > > enough, each of the Byrds reissues has a "hidden" bonus track. For > > NBB the "hidden" track is a recording of Crosby ranking out the other > > Byrds, especially Michael Clarke. Crosby and Clarke would both leave > > shortly thereafter. The early version of "Eight Miles High" was > > apparently rejected due to its not having been recorded at Columbia > > studios. Both tracks are pretty wild actually and both are on the > > reissue of FIFTH DIMENSION. Pretty mind-blowing for 1966 (the year of > > my birth, heh)! NBB is fascinating. It's also a crossroads for the > > Byrds as it's the last Byrds record with Crosby and the first with > > Clarence White; indeed, they both sing on one track, the remarkable > > "Change Is Now". Its name and occasional country stylings dovetail > > nicely with the Flying Burrito Brothers, a nascent version of which > > was already active at the time and to which many ex-Byrds would > > migrate. It's such an ambitious record with very little regard for > > "genre". Phased strings and steel guitars compete with acid rock > > leads, distorted brass, Hawkwind-ish electronics and druggy lyrics > > that are very much "of their time" (not in a stoopid "listen to what > > the flower people say" way but in acknowledging the war, the realities > > of drug abuse, etc.) but it all still sounds like the glorious Byrds. > > > > >The other find was a vinyl copy of > > >IWTSTBLT, which I've listened to twice so far and it's definitely RT's best > > >next to SOTL, with the exception of "Poor Little Beggar Girl," which I find > > >a little annoying and goes on my short list of RT clunkers. > > > > Yep, no disagreement there. The tune is lovely and Linda sings it > > well, but the lyrics are an obvious attempt at something in a > > "Threepenny Opera" vein and fail miserably. It's actually > > considerably more embarassing than Richard's more straightforwardly > > "political" lyrics like "Time to Ring Some Changes". While I think > > that there's a place for subtle wit in your basic lefty anthem, a more > > direct and simple message often seems more effective, which is why > > Billy Bragg's overtly Marxist lyrics are far more interesting than > > those of say Stereolab, who throw in leftist lyrics behind their > > bubbly effervescent pop. You can learn a lot from listening to Billy > > Bragg or TTRSC. All you learn from Stereolab lyrics or PLBG is that > > they were written by a very clever person who is very aware of it. > > > > Dan > > > > > theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 4 14:31:47 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:31:47 EDT Subject: byrds/HW pt 2 Message-ID: > > > > Thanks! All that because I mention that the Byrds make use of some > > DikMik-esque sqiddly noises? Actually I think that the Byrds are > > definitely an influence on Hawkwind. One of the songs on HALL OF THE > > MOUNTAIN GRILL sounds almost exactly like "CTA 102" on the Byrds' > > YOUNGER THAN YESTERDAY. Not the "sound" of the Byrds so much as the > > overall approach, esp. the approach of NBB with its musical collages > > and drones. > > > > Feel free to send it, and feel free to leave my name intact, I stand > > behind my words. Is that the BOC-HAWKWIND list? I've read some > > archives, but not being much of a BOC fan I've never joined. Maybe > > you could inquire of that list something I've always wondered about > > which is why Dave Brock gets a "thank you" on the credits for BEAT THE > > RETREAT the RT tribute album. I have visions of some unreleased > > Brockwind cover of an RT song. Legend has it that RT opened for > > Hawkwind once in Holland and the audience utterly failed to respond in > > any way. > > > > > Yeah, it's the BOC/HW list. Actually, I'm a BOC fan, not HW, but the > HW fans are very cool people so I've gotten into HW a bit. I'll send > both posts to the list, and see if I get any answers... > > BTW, if you like the idea of a band that sounds a bit like > > Hawkwind/Spacemen 3 crossed with Fairport, you might care to check out > > my band Abunai. Added relevance to my post comes from the fact that > > our CD is called "Universal Mind Decoder" which was the original title > > of "Change Is Now" on NBB. > > > > http://www.retina.net/~cutter/abunai/ > > > > Sorry for the plug. Also check out www.terrascope.org just on general > > principle! > > > > Thanks again for your kind words! > Does anyone know the answer to Dan's questions? theo From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Mar 4 16:31:30 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:31:30 -0500 Subject: byrds/HW pt 2 Message-ID: Maybe >> > you could inquire of that list something I've always wondered about >> > which is why Dave Brock gets a "thank you" on the credits for BEAT THE >> > RETREAT the RT tribute album. I have visions of some unreleased >> > Brockwind cover of an RT song. Legend has it that RT opened for >> > Hawkwind once in Holland and the audience utterly failed to respond in >> > any way. >> >Does anyone know the answer to Dan's questions? Wasn't it put on this list awhile back that it was for giving Danny Thompson a job as HW's drummer? I'm assuming that this is the same RT... though someone else mentioned that DT was not necessarily the son of that RT but some other RT affiliated with that RT. or something like that. +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed Mar 4 16:42:21 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 22:42:21 +0100 Subject: byrds/HW Message-ID: Interesting post! Byrds have been variously credited as being the first band to play "space rock" recording 8 Miles High in 1966 (and as early as 65?) which admittedly is a great tune and pretty spacy psych,"proto-spacerock" if I hafta stretch it, but... I'd credit Pink Floyd's 66-67 freakouts as the first fully fledged "Spacerock" on tape.. As for the bit about Danny Thompson/Dave Brock, I get it's the composite Hawkwind folk-clone band again! It's a different DT whos played with tons of folky bands like Fairport and Inc. String Band etc. Possible DB is the US bluegrass guy someone dug up some dirt on this list ages ago? christian From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed Mar 4 16:48:12 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 22:48:12 +0100 Subject: OFF: da dial (was HW: Party 1997) Message-ID: > > ObBummer: it's probably included on the recent Sundial rarities comp > > anyway! > > _What_ Sundial rarities comp!? Sounds good to find ... > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson Ah, t'was you! I snatched the last Overspill EP on the market from you, right before I saw this in the Feb # of Record Collector: "Acme has just reissued "Electric Mistress Versus Bad Stone Volume 2", a killer sampler album of rarities, demos, singles and re-mastered album tracks from latter day psych wizards the Sun Dial" sounds mighty tasty! Christian From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 4 15:52:21 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:52:21 EDT Subject: byrds/HW pt 2 In-Reply-To: <199803042131.QAA24687@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: >> From: "Andrew A. Apold" > Maybe > >> > you could inquire of that list something I've always wondered about > >> > which is why Dave Brock gets a "thank you" on the credits for BEAT THE > >> > RETREAT the RT tribute album. I have visions of some unreleased > >> > Brockwind cover of an RT song. Legend has it that RT opened for > >> > Hawkwind once in Holland and the audience utterly failed to respond in > >> > any way. > >> > >Does anyone know the answer to Dan's questions? > > Wasn't it put on this list awhile back that it was for > giving Danny Thompson a job as HW's drummer? I'm assuming > that this is the same RT... though someone else mentioned that > DT was not necessarily the son of that RT but some other RT > affiliated with that RT. or something like that. > Howls! Of course I should have interjected that he was talking about Brit. folkie/rocker [of sorts] Richard Thompson, who sometimes tours with a guy named Danny Thomson [no kin] on BASS. BTW, RT's son, ahem, Teddy does occasionally hit the road with the old man as a backup gtrst/vocalist... theo From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Mar 4 17:00:31 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E Anderson) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 22:00:31 +0000 Subject: byrds/HW pt 2 Message-ID: On ons 4 mar 1998 16.31 -0500 "Andrew A. Apold" wrote: > Wasn't it put on this list awhile back that it was for > giving Danny Thompson a job as HW's drummer? I'm assuming > that this is the same RT... though someone else mentioned that > DT was not necessarily the son of that RT but some other RT > affiliated with that RT. or something like that. HW's DT is a Jr., son of bass player Danny Thompson (ex-Pentangle) who has worked extensively with Richard Thompson. Neither DT is related to RT. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Mar 4 18:04:13 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E Anderson) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:04:13 +0000 Subject: OFF: da dial (was HW: Party 1997) Message-ID: On ons 4 mar 1998 22.48 +0100 reset wrote: > Ah, t'was you! I snatched the last Overspill EP on the market from you, > right before I saw this in the Feb # of Record Collector: Nah, I was one of the people who had already made it hard to find! ;) > "Acme has just reissued "Electric Mistress Versus Bad Stone Volume 2", a > killer sampler album of rarities, demos, singles and re-mastered album > tracks from latter day psych wizards the Sun Dial" > sounds mighty tasty! But this nevertheless sounds--as you say--mighty tasty! Perhaps Delerium in the UK will have it. Hmmmm! Maybe they will have the Kingston Wall CDs as well! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Wed Mar 4 17:59:15 1998 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:59:15 +1000 Subject: Rock&Roll Hall of Fame Message-ID: While following this thread I was reminded for some reason of a quote I heard (and have discussed at length over a few ales) that said something like "the impact on the music world of the song *Louie Louie* was far greater than the band _Journey_'s entire musical output." I suspect the meaning is less a dump on Journey than a point on justice, though plenty of people do dump on Journey. I happen to like Journey a lot and listen to them regularly, and *LL* is a fun song in its own way, but I think the sad truth is that reward and recognition are not distributed fairly by the industry or the public. Pete. ObLyric: "There's injustice in this world? Hey, how 'bout that!" - Lou Reed ObCD: 7 Park Avenue - Pete Ham At 12:12 PM 4/03/98 +0000, you wrote: >I haven't been to Cleveland, and to be honest I've no particular plans to >do so, but I have been to the R&RHoF web site :) > >Point one about the HoF, surely, is it's basically a marketing exercise; >we've got something in London called "Rock Circus", which is basically a >tourist thing, and the only reason you'd go if you actually live here is to >try and pick up Belgian teenagers (a valid enough reason, I suppose). > Anyway! It's got dummies outside made up look like such disparate figures >as Tina Turner, Sid Vicious etc - Hey, kids! It's all rock and roll! It's >all part of that marvellous tapestry of popular music! I like it like it >yes I do! > >Anyway back to the HoF - my main observation about the "inductees" is >they're extremely conservative. Which I suppose is fair enough if you want >to build up credibility, but results in being very dull. And they take a >very wide definition of "rock and roll", which includes all the Tamla >Motown stable. I think this may be fair enough, not just an exercise in >PC, because it's be impossible to draw a line anyway. > >"Our kind of music" is represented by Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, and the >Velvet Underground. Which out of a hundred or so inductees is fair enough >I thought. Even though personally I was never really into Floyd or Zep. > >But it's all so BORING! > >-Andy > >-- >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > > ******************************************************* Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "I'm no stranger to hard work - more of a nodding acquaintance." - D.G. Harris *********************************** From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 4 17:10:18 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:10:18 EDT Subject: OFF: da dial (was HW: Party 1997) In-Reply-To: <1645873.3098041453@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: >> From: Carl E Anderson > On ons 4 mar 1998 22.48 +0100 reset wrote: > > Ah, t'was you! I snatched the last Overspill EP on the market from you, > > right before I saw this in the Feb # of Record Collector: > > Nah, I was one of the people who had already made it hard to find! ;) > > > "Acme has just reissued "Electric Mistress Versus Bad Stone Volume 2", a > > killer sampler album of rarities, demos, singles and re-mastered album > > tracks from latter day psych wizards the Sun Dial" > > sounds mighty tasty! > So who are these dino-stompbox afficionadoes, anyway? theo From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Mar 4 19:26:18 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E Anderson) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 00:26:18 +0000 Subject: OFF: da dial (was HW: Party 1997) Message-ID: > So who are these dino-stompbox afficionadoes, anyway? Sundial is the band lead by guitarist/singer/songwriter Gary Ramon. London-based I think. Generally they they are a 60's inspired fuzzrock extravaganza--and as such kick major butt. For a couple of albums they drifted dangerously into psych-pop, though at its worst that was bland and at its best, pretty good. I tend to think of them as a lighter kind of Monster Magnet :) Monster Magnet meets the Beatles :) They've had a string of albums from around 89/90ish. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed Mar 4 21:06:08 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 03:06:08 +0100 Subject: OFF: da dial (was HW: Party 1997) Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > Nah, I was one of the people who had already made it hard to find! ;) You are probably the person who ran off with my first copy! ;) theo writes: > So who are these dino-stompbox afficionadoes, anyway? > theo Carl's descriptive is dead on but maybe I'd replace Beatles with Tomorrow or something slightly more garagey (but very english). Yeah they had an album (Reflecter) which sounded more like Ride or something but I highly recommend everything else of theirs... a sorta discog excluding EPs'n stuff: 1984-89 Modern Art, Ramon's pre-Sundial band. (availible on CD on Gallium Arsenide I think) Return Journey Other Way Out Reflecter Libertine Acid Yantra Live Drug Electric Mistress Versus Bad Stone Volume 2 Anyway I WOULD make ya a killer Monster Magnet/Sundial tape theo... but you have long since passed the 3-month'er man! You a double X chromosome, repeat offender, mr. Jackson? ;) Christian From artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM Thu Mar 5 00:36:15 1998 From: artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM (Gary Davis) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 00:36:15 -0500 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 17 Jan 1998 to 18 Jan 1998 Message-ID: Hello Friends! I've just put out another Artist Shop newsletter which you'll find in it's entirety at . Of special interest to this list is the following CD box set available in our import section at . HAWKWIND-WELCOME TO THE FUTURE (4CD) Four classic Hawkwind albums boxed up, three single albums ('Masters Of The Universe', 'Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Gagarin' (Live) & 'Space Ritual Vol.2') and the double live album 'The Text Of Festival'. 38 tracks total, including "Master Of The Universe", "Silver Machine", "Welcome To The Future" & "Sonic Attack". Hope you'll stop by for a visit. And while you're there, don't forget to stop by our Brain Surgeons page and our section for the Buck Dharma video at . Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop.com phone: 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm From Barczinski at CELANESE.DE Thu Mar 5 02:08:02 1998 From: Barczinski at CELANESE.DE (Barczinski, Reiner, WAC) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:08:02 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind playing Germany ?! Message-ID: So, I just found out yesterday, it's been in the "Fuldaer Zeitung": There will be a "Burg Herzberg Open-Air" (think it's near Fulda) from July, 17th to 19th 1998. This seems to be a traditonal Festival, but it takes place for the last time now, because of problems with the rural-district-gov't. And, the last of anything always has to be special, it seems, so there are negotiations with HAWKWIND for playing up there, that's the plan so far, I'm afraid it's a little bit early, so changes can happen, unfortunately ... But, nevertheless, the motto of the `98-Festival (anybody knows that at all ?) will be "Be modest, demand the impossible" and sounds like it will be a "Best of" of the last 7 years festivals. Negotiations are further being planned with : Richie Havens, Man,Embryo, and the Edgar Broughton Band. Fixed acts so far are: Colosseum und Country Joe McDonald That's the new so far ... hope some people out there are a little bit happier ? Reiner From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Thu Mar 5 03:17:32 1998 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 00:17:32 -0800 Subject: Making Hawkwind eletronic comp Message-ID: > > > > What about Lifeform? Is that the one on PXR5 with the alien voice > reciting "...victor...victor..."?? > > C. Definitely must include the brief but wonderful "Lifeform". But I'm surprised at this new interpretation of what the voice says: "Victor"? Well, as good as any, maybe... If anyone here ever interviews Brock, remember to ask him what this is, one of my all-time greatest Hawk-wonderings... "Nik smells"?? Charlie From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 4 04:47:58 1998 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:47:58 GMT Subject: HW: Lemmy on TV again In-Reply-To: <19980304184322.9276.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:43:22 PST, you sent through the ether: >And now it comes to mind....has anyone seen or heard of the Spinal Tap >Laserdisc or CD-ROM with the film plus promos and all the extra >footage??? Got me own copy I have.. it even includes the "demo" film they made pre-Tap.. and Rob Reiners promo tapes for the studios which consists of a mockunentary on "Cheese Rolling" in bavaria or somesuch.. the best CD-ROM I own... (easily) The actual film has 3 soundtracks, the original, the cast telling how they cam up with each bit and anecdotes, plus a more crew based comentary. -S. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Mar 5 05:03:41 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:03:41 -0000 Subject: Making Hawkwind eletronic comp Message-ID: On Thursday, March 05, 1998 8:18 AM, herbert rosenberg [SMTP:chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET] wrote: > > > > > > > What about Lifeform? Is that the one on PXR5 with the alien voice > > reciting "...victor...victor..."?? > > > > C. > > Definitely must include the brief but wonderful "Lifeform". But I'm > surprised at this new interpretation of what the voice says: "Victor"? > Well, as good as any, maybe... If anyone here ever interviews Brock, > remember to ask him what this is, one of my all-time greatest Hawk- > wonderings... > > "Nik smells"?? > > Charlie Huh? It just goes "Life form, life form", doesn't it? Distorted, I grant you... -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Thu Mar 5 05:28:41 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:28:41 +0000 Subject: HW: Lemmy on TV again In-Reply-To: <7t5hDgAk7U$0Ew0Q@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: Jon writes: >But no, there's nothing wrong with being sexy. (No smiley, even if it's >a Bad News quote!) >-- >Jon Actually Jon, I think you're refering to the Spinal Tap scene, when they're discussing the cover of "Smell the Glove", (remember, the bit about the greased naked lady with the dog-collar and the leash!) Superb piece of drama dont't you think! Guy From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 5 05:55:27 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:55:27 GMT Subject: Making Hawkwind eletronic comp In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:03:41 -0000 Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > On Thursday, March 05, 1998 8:18 AM, herbert rosenberg > [SMTP:chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > What about Lifeform? Is that the one on PXR5 with the alien voice > > > reciting "...victor...victor..."?? > > > > > > C. > > > > Definitely must include the brief but wonderful "Lifeform". But I'm > > surprised at this new interpretation of what the voice says: "Victor"? > > Well, as good as any, maybe... If anyone here ever interviews Brock, > > remember to ask him what this is, one of my all-time greatest Hawk- > > wonderings... It says "Right Norm, Right Norm..." in a reference to the famous shooting of Norman Scott's dog. FoFP From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Mar 5 07:39:25 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 12:39:25 +0000 Subject: Making Hawkwind eletronic comp In-Reply-To: <199803041555.PAA03795@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <199803041555.PAA03795 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, M Holmes writes >I'm thinking of making a compilation of Hawkwind electronic tracks >looking for those in the TD style. The ones I figure have to go in are: > >Forge of Vulcan >Blue Shift >Wind of Change >The Iron Dream >Satellite >Lost Chronicles >Wastelands > > > >Any others a must? > >FoFP Vega is a must, yes? -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Mar 5 07:43:07 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 12:43:07 +0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 17 Jan 1998 to 18 Jan 1998 In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980305053615.00a4bb24@artist-shop.com> Message-ID: In article <2.2.32.19980305053615.00a4bb24 at artist-shop.com>, Gary Davis writes >Hello Friends! > >I've just put out another Artist Shop newsletter which you'll find in it's >entirety at . Of special interest to >this list is the following CD box set available in our import section at >. > >HAWKWIND-WELCOME TO THE FUTURE (4CD) >Four classic Hawkwind albums boxed up, three single albums ('Masters Of The >Universe', 'Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Gagarin' (Live) & 'Space Ritual >Vol.2') and the double live album 'The Text Of Festival'. 38 tracks total, >including >"Master Of The Universe", "Silver Machine", "Welcome To The Future" & "Sonic >Attack". heh! mmmmmust have ..... another ...co..copy.......Yuri .... ..Gagarin.......!! gak! -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Mar 5 04:53:00 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:53:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Lemmy on TV again In-Reply-To: <19980304184322.9276.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: In article <19980304184322.9276.qmail at hotmail.com>, Horse Whisperer writes >>But no, there's nothing wrong with being sexy. (No smiley, even if it's >>a Bad News quote!) >>-- >>Jon > > >SPINAL TAP!!! i am ashamed -- Jon From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Mar 5 08:24:21 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:24:21 -0500 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 17 Jan 1998 to 18 Jan 1998 Message-ID: >>HAWKWIND-WELCOME TO THE FUTURE (4CD) >>Four classic Hawkwind albums boxed up, three single albums ('Masters Of The >>Universe', 'Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Gagarin' (Live) & 'Space Ritual >mmmmmust have ..... another ...co..copy.......Yuri .... >..Gagarin.......!! >gak! hehh.. four "classic" hawkwind albums.... and to make matters worse, ever since Griffin went under, my favorite music store's entire hawkwind selection on the shelves consists of nothing but Yuri Gagarin. +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Mar 5 08:31:20 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:31:20 -0500 Subject: OFF: ok, now it's Armored Saint Message-ID: >ObCD - Joe Satriani - Crystal Planet How is it? I was thinking about picking it up, but how many Joe Satriani albums does one person need? My guess is "Surfing with the Alien", and then maybe one more. Anyway, Tower had it, but it was $18 and I was in a "cheap bastard" mood... John From talger at PIPELINE.COM Thu Mar 5 08:47:07 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:47:07 -0500 Subject: OFF: ok, now it's Joe Satriani In-Reply-To: <199803051331.IAA05044@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: >>ObCD - Joe Satriani - Crystal Planet > >How is it? I was thinking about picking it up, but how many Joe Satriani >albums does one person need? My guess is "Surfing with the Alien", and >then maybe one more. > >Anyway, Tower had it, but it was $18 and I was in a "cheap bastard" mood... > well, I've only been able to give it a few spins, but so far I like it quite a bit....much better than his last, IMHO.....and personally, I think Surfing is one of his weaker albums......Flying in a Blue Dream is much better, and hell, at least his song titles are pretty entertaining,unlike some of the pretentious stuff like Yngwie and those guys with their pseudo classical sounding titles....you pretty much have to laugh at a song called "Raspberry Jam Delta-V" From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu Mar 5 08:55:18 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:55:18 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 17 Jan 1998 to 18 Jan 1998 Message-ID: > mmmmmust have ..... another ...co..copy.......Yuri .... > ..Gagarin.......!! > gak! > -- > Jon U R Gaga stay off the funny books is my advice. C. From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Mar 5 09:11:11 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:11:11 -0600 Subject: OFF: Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame Message-ID: Ya da ya da ya da...Blah blah blah. Lots of execellent points people. Hall of Fames in general (sports, the arts) are all worthless. Who's in and who's not can be debated until the cows come home. The big shack in Cleveland is no different I just don't understand why they don't call it the "Popular Music Hall of Fame." R&R in the 50's was different from the 60's, 70's etc. So many variants you could argue Tiny Tim should be there (if he is not already). BIg time waste. Of that list I saw a while ago with potential nominees I would back Earth Wind and Fire in a heartbeat, real trendsetters in the 70's early 80's. Now what they should do is start a "Real Rock and Roll Hall of Fame" an specifically exclude all of the "cross the pop line" wankers. Here you would find: Frank Zappa Lemmy Hawkwind BOC Triumph Sabbath You won't find... Asia Night Ranger Bay City Rollers Bee Gees If ya didn't bring your "metal" or "warp drive" you don't have a ticket to ride. L8er Ghost.In.The.Ruins "When I look up at the stars at night what could I find beyond the light, a hundred million worlds we ignore." - Pleadies , King's X PS: John, were ya air bassing to "See You In Black" over the radio? From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Mar 5 10:09:56 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:09:56 +0000 Subject: HW: Lemmy on TV again In-Reply-To: <34fd22c8.266365@post.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <34fd22c8.266365 at post.demon.co.uk>, Steve Pond writes >On Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:43:22 PST, you sent through the ether: > >>And now it comes to mind....has anyone seen or heard of the Spinal Tap >>Laserdisc or CD-ROM with the film plus promos and all the extra >>footage??? > > >Got me own copy I have.. it even includes the "demo" film they made >pre-Tap.. and Rob Reiners promo tapes for the studios which consists of >a mockunentary on "Cheese Rolling" in bavaria or somesuch.. the best >CD-ROM I own... (easily) > >The actual film has 3 soundtracks, the original, the cast telling how >they cam up with each bit and anecdotes, plus a more crew based >comentary. > >-S. How far did they get with developing the sequel "Tap into Japan", I wonder. Anyone got a clue? -- Jon From davmor at DELTANET.COM Thu Mar 5 11:25:17 1998 From: davmor at DELTANET.COM (Steven Davies-Morris) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:25:17 -0800 Subject: HW: Lemmy on TV again/Spinal Tap Message-ID: You've got to think that some sort of Lollapalooza or Ozzfest parody featuring Spinal Tap would work really well. Cheers Steven Davies-Morris davmor at deltanet.com -----Original Message----- From: Jon Browne To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Thursday, March 05, 1998 7:57 AM Subject: Re: HW: Lemmy on TV again >In article <34fd22c8.266365 at post.demon.co.uk>, Steve Pond > writes >>On Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:43:22 PST, you sent through the ether: >> >>>And now it comes to mind....has anyone seen or heard of the Spinal >>>Tap Laserdisc or CD-ROM with the film plus promos and all the extra >>>footage??? >> >> >>Got me own copy I have.. it even includes the "demo" film they made >>pre-Tap.. and Rob Reiners promo tapes for the studios which consists >>of a mockunentary on "Cheese Rolling" in bavaria or somesuch.. the >>best CD-ROM I own... (easily) >> >>The actual film has 3 soundtracks, the original, the cast telling how >>they cam up with each bit and anecdotes, plus a more crew based >>comentary. >> >>-S. > >How far did they get with developing the sequel "Tap into Japan", I >wonder. Anyone got a clue? >-- >Jon > From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Thu Mar 5 12:02:32 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:02:32 +0000 Subject: HW: Spinal Tap In-Reply-To: <002f01bd4853$49ae5850$0adddedf@spock.dmsgalh.com> Message-ID: There seems to be a LOT of enthusiasm for good ol' Spinal Tap here! Are we going to expand this as a regular point of discussion amongst the group? Maybe if we send messages "in Dobly" or talk about the finer points of the armadillos down our trousers, or if anyone really knows if you can buy mandolin strings in Austin TX! Guy - from the Hell-Hole (London) From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 4 12:26:41 1998 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:26:41 GMT Subject: HW: Spinal Tap In-Reply-To: <4232021705031998/A10783/LNMV02/11C32C421F00*@MHS> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:02:32 +0000, you sent through the ether: >Maybe if we send messages "in Dobly" Sheesh, everyone knows you can`t send messages in dobly... S. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Mar 5 12:42:53 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:42:53 -0000 Subject: HW: Spinal Tap Message-ID: On Thursday, March 05, 1998 5:03 PM, LN1GJT [SMTP:Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM] wrote: > Are we going to expand this as a regular point of discussion amongst the > group? What's the point, when we can always talk about the Blue Oyster Cult? :)))) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Mar 5 13:02:43 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:02:43 -0500 Subject: OFF: ok, now it's Joe Satriani Message-ID: Flying in a Blue Dream and The Extremist both have some good stuff, but Suring with the Alien, maybe because it was the first I hear of him, just kicks. The title track, Ice 9, and Satch Boogie just smoke. Yeah, some of the other stuff may be somewhat forgetable, but these 3 tracks, along with Summer Song (from The Extremist) and Big Bad Moon (from Flying...) are my favorite Joe S. tunes. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Mar 5 13:04:16 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:04:16 -0500 Subject: BOC: SYIB Message-ID: >PS: John, were ya air bassing to "See You In Black" over the radio? Oh yeah! Unfortunately, I'm not sure I can move my fingers fast enough for the main riff. ;-) John From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Mar 5 13:27:24 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:27:24 PST Subject: ST: Tap into the Cult (Was Spinal Pap) Message-ID: ---Steven Davies-Morris saith unto us: >You've got to think that some sort of Lollapalooza or Ozzfest parody >featuring Spinal Tap would work really well. I reckon you could probably include Ozzy and WASP on the "TapFest" ("TarpFest", "PapFest", "Real Rock Legends Revival"???). Ahem. ---Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM wrote: > Are we going to expand this as a regular point of discussion amongst the > group? I wonder do questions like this come up for Uriah Heep, Black Sabbath, Status Quo, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Van Halen, Iron Maiden, DEEP PURPLE, Dio, AC/DC, Cher, Tina Turner, Diana Ross, Tom Jones, Rolling Stones, Frank Sinatra, Chuck Berry, Cliff Richard, Little Richard and Fleetwood Mac fans???? Ahem. ---Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM spake thusly: >What's the point, when we can always talk about the Blue Oyster Cult? :)))) Bad bad bad bad man. He's the _baaaaad_ man, mommy. Well, you have to take tea, so won't you take it with me, what a gay time it shall be. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Mar 5 14:18:27 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:18:27 -0500 Subject: ST: Tap into the Cult (Was Spinal Pap) Message-ID: >I wonder do questions like this come up for Uriah Heep, Black Sabbath, >Status Quo, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Van Halen, Iron Maiden, DEEP PURPLE, Dio, >AC/DC, Cher, Tina Turner, Diana Ross, Tom Jones, Rolling Stones, Frank >Sinatra, Chuck Berry, Cliff Richard, Little Richard and Fleetwood Mac >fans???? Ahem. ST are somewhat different as everyone can identify some of their band in ST, we were going over known parallels awhile back with both BOC and Hawkwind.... OBCD: 'Shadow of the Moon' - Blackmore's Night (RB of DP) +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Mar 5 13:29:55 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:29:55 EDT Subject: heaven forbid In-Reply-To: <199803051918.OAA06738@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: CD Now is offering HF for pre-order... theo From walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET Thu Mar 5 16:22:16 1998 From: walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET (Walrus) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:22:16 -0500 Subject: HW: Party 1997 In-Reply-To: <34FD5F98.F16E3E43@blackboard.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, sprawl wrote: > Walrus wrote: > > > space ritual (party that is).. on the other hand, past or future seems > > more "raw" than nik's space ritual 94.. > > 'sfunny, i thot the oposite... that SR94 was really noisy and past or future > was very polished.. hmm perhaps i mean refined rather than raw.. besides that i really like the noisy live feel of sr94.. p1999 has the most intense version of sonic attack i've ever heard on it! > > ps. anyone know where i might find the book "this is hawkwind do not > > panic" in the US or online ? > > good luck.rj > yeah i see what you mean :( wal ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______ " The gentle madness Walrus _______\_ has touched my hand walrus at neuron.net /__\O/__/= Now I'm just a _|\ .^. Cosmic Man ... " | \_/ From walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET Thu Mar 5 16:25:28 1998 From: walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET (Walrus) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:25:28 -0500 Subject: HW: Party 1997 In-Reply-To: <199803041447.PAA05118@online.no> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, christian mumford wrote: > Yeah me too. PoF? is the best of the two IMO. SR94 is alot looser and > noisier, theres just something about that solidly crunchy guitar on PoF? I > love whereas Creed on SR94 does alot more noodling. oooh, i love creed's guitar on sr94.. esp the beginning of silver machine.. btw, that beginning bit of silver machine about the dame and thunderhead, where did that originate? > > As for PoF? AND 1999 Party being purchased at the same time, it makes my > mind reel! My two favorite live albums of the HW family... :P ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______ " The gentle madness Walrus _______\_ has touched my hand walrus at neuron.net /__\O/__/= Now I'm just a _|\ .^. Cosmic Man ... " | \_/ From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu Mar 5 18:09:46 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 00:09:46 +0100 Subject: HW: Party 1997 Message-ID: Walrus writes: > oooh, i love creed's guitar on sr94.. esp the beginning of silver > machine.. btw, that beginning bit of silver machine about the dame and > thunderhead, where did that originate? It's Thunder Rider. Nik *IS* Thunder Rider ;) The original Hawklords books have the "classic" members all named (and in the SR booklet too?). Check the Xenon Codex lp "rollcall" for the '88 update)... Check out the Doremi GRILL (for 'tis most certainly a grill!) in the PoF? CD... > > As for PoF? AND 1999 Party being purchased at the same time, it makes my > > mind reel! My two favorite live albums of the HW family... > :P PoF+ & 1999 combo: the Hawkjunkie's version of a speedball! Christian From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Mar 5 19:02:29 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 19:02:29 -0500 Subject: Making Hawkwind eletronic comp Message-ID: >> >Forge of Vulcan >> >Blue Shift >> >Wind of Change >> >The Iron Dream >> >Satellite >> >Lost Chronicles >> >Wastelands >The Pulsating Cavern. Take my word for it. Absolutely. And toss 'Shade Gate' in with it. +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Thu Mar 5 19:04:49 1998 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:04:49 -0800 Subject: Making Hawkwind eletronic comp Message-ID: ----------... > > > > "Nik smells"?? > > > > Charlie > > Huh? It just goes "Life form, life form", doesn't it? Distorted, I grant > you... > > -Andy > > -- > I don't think so. Of course, I tried that one out first, but couldn't justify it. Charlie From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Thu Mar 5 19:18:03 1998 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 19:18:03 -0500 Subject: OFF: Big news for Rainbow fans Message-ID: Of course, it might also be old news, and I just missed it the first time around. :-) Anyway, for any of you who are big Rainbow fans, and have been pining for a remixed _Rainbow Rising_ CD like I have... well, it's not happening. But, there's something out now that just might salve the pain of that for a while longer. _The Very Best of Rainbow_ (c) 1997 Polygram records. >From Blackmore's Rainbow: 1. Man on the Silver Mountain 2. Catch the Rainbow >From Rainbow Rising: 3. Starstruck 4. Stargazer >From Long Live Rock N Roll: 5. Kill the King 6. Long Live Rock N Roll 7. Gates of Babylon >From Down to Earth: 8. Since You Been Gone 9. All Night Long >From Difficult to Cure: 10. I Surrender 11. Can't Happen Here >From b-side of Can't Happen Here: 12. Jealous Lover >From Straight Between the Eyes: 13. Stone Cold 14. Power >From Bent Out of Shape: 15. Can't Let You Go 16. Street of Dreams A few comments: Ok, no, it's not as great a compilation/retrospective as Judas Priests' _Metal Works_. But, hey, most bands get a non-remastered "greatest radio hits" comp that the real fans don't give a shit about. This *is* remastered, and actually has "Stargazer" on it... hey, that makes it worth the purchase price right there! I was kind of pleasantly surprised that a few songs I remember from my adolescence still hold up pretty well. "Street of Dreams" actually sounds better to me now than it did when I was 16 (back then I thought it didn't "rock" enough). ;-) "Stone Cold" has aged much better than I thought it might. The remastered songs from the first few Dio albums (the real reason I bought the CD) sound absolutely wonderful. So anyway, if you're a big fan of Rainbow, especially of the old Dio material which has never seen a decent sounding CD release, this compilation is simply a must-have. It's the only place (for now, anyway) that you can get decent versions of those songs... what more need be said? :-) Steve From Hawklord57 at AOL.COM Thu Mar 5 19:44:54 1998 From: Hawklord57 at AOL.COM (Hawklord57) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 19:44:54 EST Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com Message-ID: I just recently tried to access the Hawkwind web page, but it keeps coming back as unavailable. Anyone know what's up with that? Is it down for awhile, or for good? Lost in Space, Duane From talger at PIPELINE.COM Thu Mar 5 19:53:33 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 19:53:33 -0500 Subject: OFF: ok, now it's Joe Satriani In-Reply-To: <199803051802.NAA04305@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: >Flying in a Blue Dream and The Extremist both have some good stuff, but >Suring with the Alien, maybe because it was the first I hear of him, >just kicks. The title track, Ice 9, and Satch Boogie just smoke. Yeah, >some of the other stuff may be somewhat forgetable, but these 3 tracks, >along with Summer Song (from The Extremist) and Big Bad Moon (from Flying...) >are my favorite Joe S. tunes. > >John well, while I agree about those songs (and I love Circles and Echo too), part of it has to do with the drumming and bass....while I love Joe's guitar playing, I think he's better when he has a bass player and a good drummer... Stu Hamm is on Crystal Planet, and it rocks! (you should be able to relate to that ;-) ) having said, that, I don't think the experiment on his last album really worked....I don't know why, but I really didn't get much out of "JS" with Nathan East and Andy Fairweather-Low playing on it.....it just didn't seem to click with me, other than, say, "Luminous Flesh Giants" and maybe "Cool #9"..... CP is already getting more time in my player than "JS" did in the past 2 years! ok, I'll shut up now....gonna go listen to "American Thighs," "Blow it Out Your Ass...," and "Eight Arms to Hold You" and mourn Veruca Salt :-( Ted ObPromoThingy - Jerry Cantrell - Cut You In From walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET Thu Mar 5 22:09:35 1998 From: walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET (Walrus) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 22:09:35 -0500 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, Hawklord57 wrote: > I just recently tried to access the Hawkwind web page, but it keeps coming > back as unavailable. Anyone know what's up with that? Is it down for awhile, > or for good? > > Lost in Space, > Duane > i've tried on several occassions.. methinks it's kaput.. anyone confirm this? there's another official-looking site somewhere, i canna remember the url offhand tho.. wal ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______ " The gentle madness Walrus _______\_ has touched my hand walrus at neuron.net /__\O/__/= Now I'm just a _|\ .^. Cosmic Man ... " | \_/ From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Fri Mar 6 01:54:47 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 23:54:47 -0700 Subject: HW: www.hawkwind.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, Hawklord57 wrote: > > > I just recently tried to access the Hawkwind web page, but it keeps coming > > back as unavailable. Anyone know what's up with that? Is it down > for awhile, > > or for good? > > > > Lost in Space, > > Duane > > > i've tried on several occassions.. methinks it's kaput.. anyone confirm > this? there's another official-looking site somewhere, i canna remember > the url offhand tho.. > > wal http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/ Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 6 05:02:50 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:02:50 GMT Subject: [bonzo@mclink.it: Re: 7" galore] Message-ID: I've just found a contact who has the Italian book & single. It's probably Gigi Marcioni's "Neverending Story of the Psychedelic Warlords" but may be the "Vinile" single. I have both, but if anyone is still looking for these rarities, go to it... FoFP > From: bonzo at mclink.it > Received: from [195.110.130.244] (net130-244.mclink.it [195.110.130.244]) by ammi.mclink.it (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA17849 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:21:57 +0100 (MET) > X-Sender: MD7457 at mclink.it > Message-Id: > In-Reply-To: <199802161130.LAA12397 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk> > Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 00:06:09 +0100 > To: M Holmes > Subject: Re: 7" galore > >I'm interested in Hawkwind singles. Could you let me know which you have > >please? > I have no Hawkwind single. But I have a out of print Italian book (Italian > and english text) which also contains a CD previously unreleased live > material! > Let me know if you're intersted. The price is a tenner (UK Pounds) + postage. > Please reply soon > > > > ---- End of forwarded text ---- From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Fri Mar 6 05:04:34 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:04:34 +0000 Subject: HW: Party 1997 In-Reply-To: <199803052311.AAA22440@online.no> Message-ID: Via Walrus and Christian, >> oooh, i love creed's guitar on sr94.. esp the beginning of silver >> machine.. btw, that beginning bit of silver machine about the dame and >> thunderhead, where did that originate? > >It's Thunder Rider. Nik *IS* Thunder Rider ;) The original Hawklords books >have the "classic" members all named (and in the SR booklet too?). Check >the Xenon Codex lp "rollcall" for the '88 update)... Check out the Doremi >GRILL (for 'tis most certainly a grill!) in the PoF? CD... Still talking 'bout Silver Machine on SR94, does anyone know how Gloria came to be included! The result of some jam session or something? I reckon that this version of SM is probably one of the best there is! Guy From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Fri Mar 6 05:19:03 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:19:03 +0000 Subject: HW: Silver Machine / Gloria SR94 In-Reply-To: <34fe8e66.7316836@post.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: The mighty Thunder Rider was walking down the street one day, When he saw something in the sky that made him say, Is that a bird or a plane, up there in the sky, Something shiny and silver, I've seen it fly by. He went where it landed, and out stepped a dame, Who was silver all over, never looked the same. She flashed from head to toe and pointed a finger at him, His knees started shaking, he went into a spin. He said "Hey baby you look like you came from outer space, What do you say, you and me go back to my place." She said "You may want me to think that you're pretty good in bed." So climb aboard and listen, this is what she said: Well I, Just took a ride, In a silver machine, And I'm feeling f***king mean. Do you want to ride.................... Am I correct in my transcription? Guy (rather bored at the moment in London!) From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Mar 5 10:48:08 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:48:08 +0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 17 Jan 1998 to 18 Jan 1998 In-Reply-To: <199803051356.OAA04353@online.no> Message-ID: In article <199803051356.OAA04353 at online.no>, reset writes >stay off the funny books is my advice. shan't. It's hard enough to stay on them with them slipping all over the place. get me more yuri gagarin !!!! BTW who says "'ello everybody" at the beginning of "Yuri"? I think its probably the most irritating thing on the album. -- Jon From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 6 06:15:59 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:15:59 GMT Subject: HW: Silver Machine / Gloria SR94 In-Reply-To: LN1GJT's message of Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:19:03 +0000 Message-ID: LN1GJT writes: > The mighty Thunder Rider was walking down the street one day, > When he saw something in the sky that made him say, > Is that a bird or a plane, up there in the sky, > Something shiny and silver, I've seen it fly by. > > He went where it landed, and out stepped a dame, > Who was silver all over, never looked the same. > She flashed from head to toe and pointed a finger at him, > His knees started shaking, he went into a spin. > > He said "Hey baby you look like you came from outer space, > What do you say, you and me go back to my place." > She said "You may want me to think that you're pretty good in bed." > So climb aboard and listen, this is what she said: > > Well I, > Just took a ride, > In a silver machine, > And I'm feeling f***king mean. > > Do you want to ride.................... > > > > > Am I correct in my transcription? > > Guy (rather bored at the moment in London!) Way to go dood. These go straight into the lyrics files! So for an encore: what're the lyrics for Nik's alternative verse of Master of The Universe? FoFP From mumford at ONLINE.NO Fri Mar 6 07:23:38 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 13:23:38 +0100 Subject: HW: Silver Machine / Gloria SR94 Message-ID: > > > > > > Am I correct in my transcription? > > Guy (rather bored at the moment in London!) YES! He does the same on PoF too..... > Way to go dood. These go straight into the lyrics files! > > So for an encore: what're the lyrics for Nik's alternative verse of > Master of The Universe? oooh, now there's a good un. I like the ICU/NIK revamped MotU 2nd verse, it's a lot more logical ;) ... now, the ICU version of course just replace every "I" with "you" in the first verse! "Get out of your metal box" Christian (not bored right now, maybe later - Guy? ;) > FoFP From mumford at ONLINE.NO Fri Mar 6 07:37:43 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 13:37:43 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 17 Jan 1998 to 18 Jan 1998 Message-ID: > writes > >stay off the funny books is my advice. > > shan't. > > It's hard enough to stay on them with them slipping all over the place. Like soppy hippys trying not to be too flippyfloppy? > get me more yuri gagarin !!!! > Well, aside from the head, we are not sure if we can. > > > BTW who says "'ello everybody" at the beginning of "Yuri"? I think its > probably the most irritating thing on the album. > -- > Jon Lemmy! "Hell-O evvabody! Havin' a noise toim?" That's what he says when he comes around to beat up comic book store owners! Christian From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Fri Mar 6 07:46:39 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 12:46:39 +0000 Subject: HW: Silver Machine / Gloria SR94 / MofU In-Reply-To: <199803061225.NAA23779@online.no> Message-ID: Christian responds: >> So for an encore: what're the lyrics for Nik's alternative verse of >> Master of The Universe? > > >oooh, now there's a good un. I like the ICU/NIK revamped MotU 2nd verse, >it's a lot more logical ;) ... now, the ICU version of course just replace >every "I" with "you" in the first verse! > >"Get out of your metal box" Something to do with "shatter rocks?" As for the rest of the lyrics - who knows. Are they the same as the extra verse on Texts of Festival. They're a bit muffled there, mind you, the entire LP is muffled! From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 6 07:50:04 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 12:50:04 GMT Subject: HW: Silver Machine / Gloria SR94 / MofU In-Reply-To: LN1GJT's message of Fri, 6 Mar 1998 12:46:39 +0000 Message-ID: LN1GJT writes: > As for the rest of the lyrics - who knows. Are they the same as the > extra verse on Texts of Festival. They're a bit muffled there, mind > you, the entire LP is muffled! I've forgotten which albums they appear on. Help anyone? FoFP From mumford at ONLINE.NO Fri Mar 6 08:24:44 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:24:44 +0100 Subject: SV: HW: Silver Machine / Gloria SR94 / MofU Message-ID: > I've forgotten which albums they appear on. Help anyone? > > FoFP ICU - Passout NT - SR94 From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Fri Mar 6 09:15:40 1998 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:15:40 -0500 Subject: OFF: Tangerine Dream Message-ID: >From: John Majka >I bought all the Tangerine Dream CDs when they first came out, and I've >noticed that SOME have been reissued in the past few years with >super-bit-mapped mastering. Does anyone have these and can you tell me, do >they in fact sound noticeably better? Alas, and I say that from a financial point of view (-8, the SBM remasters that I've purchased *do* sound better than the original CD releases. Plus they did some obvious nice moves like removing the album side break in _Logos_. > The only ones I've seen are basically >the 80's Virgin albums. What about all the 70's Virgin stuff--are there >remasters available or what? I know these albums would sound great if >remastered correctly (as evidenced by some of the remastered stuff in the >Tangents box set), but I don't know if they have been or not. I haven't seen too many of the seventies stuff get the SBM treatment. (I think I saw _Encore_ in SBM but I foolishly passed it up. I still contend the Detroit show was better than what ended up on the album. (-8) Don't forget that _Tangents_ isn't the best guide as to how remasters would sound as a lot of _Tangents_ is rerecorded as opposed to simple remastering. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET Fri Mar 6 14:53:37 1998 From: deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET (Aaron Crandall) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:53:37 -0800 Subject: BOC: See You in Black on HardRadio Message-ID: I just heard See You in Black on www.hardradio.com! It was even better than I remember it from concert 2 years ago. Eric sounds superb, as does Buck's ripping lead lines. By far the heaviest studio recording I've heard from BOC -- at first I didn't realize it was them. Here's to the new album!!! Aaron From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Mar 6 15:04:00 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:04:00 -0500 Subject: OFF: ok, now it's Joe Satriani Message-ID: >Stu Hamm is on Crystal Planet, and it rocks! (you should be able to relate to that ;-) ) I can, and Stu is awesome -- I saw him with Joe last year and they work very well together. John PS: Why are we mourning Veruca Salt? I love their stuff - have they broken up? From talger at PIPELINE.COM Fri Mar 6 15:56:02 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:56:02 -0500 Subject: OFF: Veruca Salt In-Reply-To: <199803062004.PAA21681@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: >John > >PS: Why are we mourning Veruca Salt? I love their stuff - have they >broken up? apparently.....earlier this week Nina quit the group without any explanation.....the management and record label are giving the typical "future of the group is uncertain" statements...but with half of the vocals and guitars gone........well, I guess we can look forward to solo albums by both Nina and Louise. From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Mar 6 15:21:48 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:21:48 -0600 Subject: OFF: Alien Surfing and Rainbow Message-ID: JS>How is it? I was thinking about picking it up, but how many Joe Satriani albums does one person need? My guess is "Surfing with the Alien", and then maybe one more. TA>well, I've only been able to give it a few spins, but so far I like it quite a bit....much better than his last, IMHO.....and personally, I think Surfing is one of his weaker albums......Flying in a Blue Dream is much better, I have Flying and find it OK. Always wanted to get Alien but it continues to slip on my to do list. I'll admit my own minor fascination with Sat/Alien is his awarness and apparent like for the Silver Surfer. Comic Book Fans HO! Isn't that the Buscema version of the Silver Surfer on the album cover? >The remastered songs from the first few Dio albums (the real reason I bought the CD) sound absolutely wonderful. Thanks for the reference Steve saw this and wondered out loud. I used to own all the Dio stuff on vinyl but only the Live on cd. The cd is blown now so this comp sounds like a good buy for the Dio era stuff. L8er Ghost in the Ruins obcd - A Pleasant Shade of Grey, Fates Warning From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Fri Mar 6 21:03:55 1998 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 12:03:55 +1000 Subject: HW: The King Message-ID: Hi all, Someone was asking what Simon King Was up to nowadays, a couple of weeks ago I believe. At least I think so. Well, heres a little anecdote or marginal relevance..... A friend of mine has just gone to live in London recently (leaving Australia) and she is currently working in some pub in London - the name of which illudes me. She has been making quite a few friends who she goes and drinks with often. Well, one of these people, who's name, by the way, is Simon, she has spent quite a bit of time chatting to. Just recently she was discussing his past, and lo and behold, he said he is an ex-drummer from HW. Lucky bloody person.... - Max Wilcox From mumford at ONLINE.NO Fri Mar 6 22:42:58 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 04:42:58 +0100 Subject: HW: The King Message-ID: Max Wilcox writes: ---------- > Well, one of these people, who's name, by the > way, is Simon, she has spent quite a bit of time chatting to. Just recently > she was discussing his past, and lo and behold, he said he is an ex-drummer > from HW. > Lucky bloody person... Ya, he never spontaeneously exploded onstage during any drumsolos! (cause he was on a VERY VERYVERY strict diet during the entire 70s) Seriously that is a cool story. Is your friend into Hawkwind? King's long stint with Hawkwind was a short period of his life so one can wonder if he has any idea what Hawkwind & co are up to now or how he looks back on it or if he cares! AFAIK his leaving Hawkwind was also leaving the music biz for good. Nik Turner could probably use 3 (exploding) drummers onstage, taking in all those stray/sacked HW'ers hanging around in bars! "The Year is 1999.... you are welcome, you are welcome...." ;) Christian ObCD: New York Gong: About Time From walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET Fri Mar 6 23:10:32 1998 From: walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET (Walrus) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 23:10:32 -0500 Subject: HW: The King In-Reply-To: <008101bd496d$5a1db080$2e916682@default> Message-ID: On Sat, 7 Mar 1998, Max Wilcox wrote: > Hi all, > > Someone was asking what Simon King Was up to nowadays, a couple > of weeks ago I believe. At least I think so. Well, heres a little anecdote > or marginal relevance..... it was me.. > A friend of mine has just gone to live in London recently > (leaving Australia) and she is currently working in some pub in London - the > name of which illudes me. She has been making quite a few friends who she > goes and drinks with often. Well, one of these people, who's name, by the > way, is Simon, she has spent quite a bit of time chatting to. Just recently > she was discussing his past, and lo and behold, he said he is an ex-drummer > from HW. > Lucky bloody person.... and yes, lucky bloody person.. some people have all the luck eh.. wal ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______ " The gentle madness Walrus _______\_ has touched my hand walrus at neuron.net /__\O/__/= Now I'm just a _|\ .^. Cosmic Man ... " | \_/ From walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET Fri Mar 6 23:13:12 1998 From: walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET (Walrus) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 23:13:12 -0500 Subject: HW: Party 1997 In-Reply-To: <2634041006031998/A13827/LNMV02/11C332842100*@MHS> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, LN1GJT wrote: > Via Walrus and Christian, > > >> oooh, i love creed's guitar on sr94.. esp the beginning of silver > >> machine.. btw, that beginning bit of silver machine about the dame and > >> thunderhead, where did that originate? > > > >It's Thunder Rider. Nik *IS* Thunder Rider ;) The original Hawklords books > >have the "classic" members all named (and in the SR booklet too?). Check > >the Xenon Codex lp "rollcall" for the '88 update)... Check out the Doremi > >GRILL (for 'tis most certainly a grill!) in the PoF? CD... > > Still talking 'bout Silver Machine on SR94, does anyone know how Gloria came to > be included! The result of some jam session or something? I reckon that this > version of SM is probably one of the best there is! > i agree.. and was wondering the same thing! speaking of helios creed tho, can anyone recommend any? is it space rocky? wal ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______ " The gentle madness Walrus _______\_ has touched my hand walrus at neuron.net /__\O/__/= Now I'm just a _|\ .^. Cosmic Man ... " | \_/ From walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET Fri Mar 6 23:15:31 1998 From: walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET (Walrus) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 23:15:31 -0500 Subject: HW: Silver Machine / Gloria SR94 In-Reply-To: <2003191006031998/A13973/LNMV02/11C332930200*@MHS> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, LN1GJT wrote: > The mighty Thunder Rider was walking down the street one day, > When he saw something in the sky that made him say, > Is that a bird or a plane, up there in the sky, > Something shiny and silver, I've seen it fly by. > > He went where it landed, and out stepped a dame, > Who was silver all over, never looked the same. > She flashed from head to toe and pointed a finger at him, > His knees started shaking, he went into a spin. > > He said "Hey baby you look like you came from outer space, > What do you say, you and me go back to my place." > She said "You may want me to think that you're pretty good in bed." > So climb aboard and listen, this is what she said: > > Well I, > Just took a ride, > In a silver machine, > And I'm feeling f***king mean. > > Do you want to ride.................... > close enough.. my prior question about this introduction to nik's version of silver machine was: is it nik's introduction or was it used by hw at some time prior? bob perhaps? wal ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______ " The gentle madness Walrus _______\_ has touched my hand walrus at neuron.net /__\O/__/= Now I'm just a _|\ .^. Cosmic Man ... " | \_/ From davmor at DELTANET.COM Sat Mar 7 03:47:44 1998 From: davmor at DELTANET.COM (Steven Davies-Morris) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 00:47:44 -0800 Subject: HW: The King Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Max Wilcox To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Friday, March 06, 1998 6:06 PM Subject: HW: The King >Hi all, > > Someone was asking what Simon King Was up to nowadays, a couple >of weeks ago I believe. At least I think so. Well, heres a little anecdote >or marginal relevance..... > A friend of mine has just gone to live in London recently >(leaving Australia) and she is currently working in some pub in London - the >name of which illudes me. She has been making quite a few friends who she >goes and drinks with often. Well, one of these people, who's name, by the >way, is Simon, she has spent quite a bit of time chatting to. Just recently >she was discussing his past, and lo and behold, he said he is an ex-drummer >from HW. > Lucky bloody person.... > >- Max Wilcox > You're sure he wasn't just using the mighty *popstar* HW line to adroitly bed her??? Cheers Steven Davies-Morris davmor at deltanet.com From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Mar 6 09:53:56 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:53:56 +0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 17 Jan 1998 to 18 Jan 1998 In-Reply-To: <199803061239.NAA17467@online.no> Message-ID: In article <199803061239.NAA17467 at online.no>, reset writes >Lemmy! Seriously? > >"Hell-O evvabody! Havin' a noise toim?" I thort it was DikMik or someone who doesn' usually vocalise. > >That's what he says when he comes around to beat up comic book store >owners! I'll be alright. I've bought him enough bourbon in the past to be excused. (hopefully) -- Jon From mumford at ONLINE.NO Sat Mar 7 08:57:33 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 14:57:33 +0100 Subject: HW: ello everybody? (was:BOC-L Digest blahablah) Message-ID: > >Lemmy! > > Seriously? > > > >"Hell-O evvabody! Havin' a noise toim?" > > I thort it was DikMik or someone who doesn' usually vocalise. Hmm. I always thought it sounded like Young Lemmy! Just like on 1999 Party etc.... anyone else out there care to break out THEIR remastered gold masters edition foldout limited box set autographed digipak copy of Yuri Gagarin and help us find out? > >That's what he says when he comes around to beat up comic book store > >owners! > > I'll be alright. > I've bought him enough bourbon in the past to be excused. (hopefully) Why his voice got so gravelly! Christian > Jon From capcloud at PALMNET.NET Sat Mar 7 15:45:15 1998 From: capcloud at PALMNET.NET (Captain Cloud) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 12:45:15 -0800 Subject: HW: FS: Friday Rock Show CD Message-ID: A friend of mine is selling his 'Friday Rock Show Sessions' CD from the Reading '86 live show. He is asking $12. His name is Phil, and he can be contacted at phil at toms.net He also has some other HW CDs & vinyl for sale, ask for his list. -- Captain Cloud capcloud at palmnet.net http://www5.palmnet.net/~capcloud/ From capcloud at PALMNET.NET Sat Mar 7 16:30:29 1998 From: capcloud at PALMNET.NET (Captain Cloud) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 13:30:29 -0800 Subject: OFF: Bevis Frond hits the USA Message-ID: I know some folks out there will be happy to hear that Bevis Frond is apparently starting a "..World Domination Attempt 1998", which also masquerades as a European and USA tour. A posting on the drone-on list was forwarded from the Woronzow Recs folks, listing all the scheduled dates for this tour. Apparently it is underway in Europe as we speak, with BF showing up in the North America for a two-month stretch thru all of April and part of May. Some listed dates include Iowa, Texas, Tennessee, and N.Carolina, plus all the usual venues in the northeast, north central, and west coast. For more info you might check Woronzow Records' web site. -- Captain Cloud capcloud at palmnet.net http://www5.palmnet.net/~capcloud/ From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Sun Mar 8 02:16:09 1998 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 23:16:09 -0800 Subject: OFF: Test Message-ID: Test; no mail for 12 hours. From mark.robertson at VIRGIN.NET Sun Mar 8 11:13:01 1998 From: mark.robertson at VIRGIN.NET (mark.robertson@virgin.net) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 16:13:01 -0000 Subject: HW: Lemmy Message-ID: Todays Sunday Times carries an article about the lemster and how he and Heavy Metal are back in fashion. p.s. It also on the web site http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/ From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Mar 5 14:47:37 1998 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 19:47:37 +0000 Subject: Making Hawkwind eletronic comp In-Reply-To: <01BD481E.217E8380.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: In article <01BD481E.217E8380.Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com>, Andy Gilham writes >Huh? It just goes "Life form, life form", doesn't it? Distorted, I grant >you... FWIW, I agree but it could be "pweetchal mah". By the way, this has really been bugging me but does anyone know which gig was used for the crowd noise in "The Church" from Church of Hawkwind? Serious replies only please!! Mark From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Mar 8 22:34:20 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (antisol _8) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 19:34:20 PST Subject: HW:Oh dear god NO!!! Message-ID: This is terrible! Both the official Calvert page and Hawkwind.com seem to be down! Does anyone have information about this? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Mar 9 09:50:53 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:50:53 -0500 Subject: Hello? Message-ID: Sure is quiet here. So, anybody else heard "See You in Black" on the radio yet? John From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Mar 9 10:06:20 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 15:06:20 -0000 Subject: Hello? Message-ID: On Monday, March 09, 1998 2:51 PM, John A Swartz [SMTP:jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG] wrote: > Sure is quiet here. Well, it's not quiet *here*! :) -Andy ObCD: Ron Asheton w/the Empty Set - _Thin Slim & None_ -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From kg at THING.DE Mon Mar 9 11:35:20 1998 From: kg at THING.DE (stalker) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 17:35:20 +0100 Subject: HW:Oh dear god NO!!! Message-ID: hi there, the Calvert site is only temporarily down - for a short time, as our server has to be rebuilt. it should be online again around monday night - maybe a bit later - hawkwind.com however is offline for quite a while now - don't really know what happened to them. best, knut From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 9 13:51:02 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:51:02 GMT Subject: HW: Oh dear god NO!!! In-Reply-To: antisol _8's message of Sun, 8 Mar 1998 19:34:20 PST Message-ID: antisol _8 writes: > This is terrible! Both the official Calvert page and Hawkwind.com seem > to be down! Does anyone have information about this? That leaves only the Mission Control page then http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwin/index.htm and aside from its swish flashing lights at the top this doesn't really hold any info at all other than some short basic band biogs and is anyway monstrously out of date - it's still advertising DracFest! Maybe it's time to email them and get the page updated! jill obfilm> Titanic ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Mar 9 13:53:43 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:53:43 PST Subject: BOC: HardRadio Message-ID: Is www.hardradio.com still playing SYIB? I only get an hour or so to listen to it every night and I haven't heard it yet, and I see no reference to it anywhere on the site. Can anyone enlighten me???? Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From RBrent1044 at AOL.COM Mon Mar 9 14:15:15 1998 From: RBrent1044 at AOL.COM (RBrent1044) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:15:15 EST Subject: Hello? Message-ID: Not Me ! I called our so-called local rock station last week (already knowing they were gonna say no) to ask if they had gotten the single. The idiot DJ says "dude, we don't play Blue Oyster Cult". I could swear I've heard Burnin and Reaper on there, but they were clueless.....thats 94.9 Zeta 4, WZTA, Fort Lauderdale, Florida. I then proceed to call the local "classic rock" station, 105.9, WBGG, BIG 106, who is known for playing new tracks from classic artists. The DJ was all excited when I told her about See You In Black, took my number, said she would speak to the program manager to see if he got the single and call me back. She called me the next day "nope, we never got it." She said she would get him to call CMC to see whats up. Meanwhile, I still haven't heard the track, I'm desperately trying to drum up some support here in South Florida, and I'm sure I'll have bought Heaven Forbid on the 24th before I hear the single on the radio (if it ever gets played here at all). Robert (a little frustrated today) obcd: Squeeze-Singles 45's and under From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Mon Mar 9 14:31:00 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 20:31:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Oh dear god NO!!! In-Reply-To: <199803091851.SAA04912@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi At 18:51 09.03.98 +0000, you wrote: >it's time to email them and get the page updated! Thats it. Chris Tate and Dave Brock are the owners of this site and I suppose that they have no time to update the site or they have forgotten their own site. Who knows btw: Star_Rats told me a couple of days ago, that it looks not good for WWW.HAWKWIND.COM comming back. The reason seems to be money problems. I really hope that this very informative site will be online some day Bernhard From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Mar 9 14:40:55 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:40:55 -0000 Subject: HW: Oh dear god NO!!! Message-ID: On Monday, March 09, 1998 7:31 PM, Bernhard Pospiech [SMTP:bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE] wrote: > btw: Star_Rats told me a couple of days ago, that it looks not good for > WWW.HAWKWIND.COM comming back. The reason seems to be money problems. Yeah right. How much does it cost to host a website that size? Sod all is the answer. Unless Dale was charging top whack for his little Java scriptlets! :) Heck, I'd host it on my site for nothing (I'm sure I've got loads of my free 10 MByte left :) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Mon Mar 9 14:54:04 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 20:54:04 +0100 Subject: HW: Oh dear god NO!!! In-Reply-To: <01BD4B93.778C48C0.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: At 19:40 09.03.98 +0000, you wrote: >> btw: Star_Rats told me a couple of days ago, that it looks not >>good for >> WWW.HAWKWIND.COM comming back. The reason seems to be money >>problems. > >Heck, I'd host it on my site for nothing (I'm sure I've got loads >of my free 10 MByte left :) OK. Get in touch with our special friend (Doug Smith). I wish you all the luck !!! Bernhard From deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET Mon Mar 9 16:54:16 1998 From: deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET (Aaron Crandall) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:54:16 -0800 Subject: BOC: HardRadio Message-ID: Chris wrote: >Is www.hardradio.com still playing SYIB? >I only get an hour or so to listen to it every night and I haven't heard >it yet, and I see no reference to it anywhere on the site. > >Can anyone enlighten me???? I heard it again today but it was only the second time (and I usually listen for several hours everyday while at work). So, it's not getting very heavy rotation yet. I wonder what it takes to get it featured as a single under the "New HardRadio Rock" section. I see they have the singles from new albums by Motorhead, Judas Priest, Van Halen, etc, why not BOC? Aaron From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Mar 9 19:39:10 1998 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:39:10 PST Subject: BOC: HardRadio Message-ID: Hi kids, Hey, long time no see right? Anyway, someone on the list mentioned hearing SEE YOU IN BLACK on www.Hardradio.com, and since I was sick and tired of not hearing any new BOC for so long (too long), I have been listening to it nightly while I chat with my nutty friends on palace chat. Anyway, tonight I FINALLY heard the damn thing!!! First impression- It's HEAVY! The old haunting and melodic (yet heavy) BOC sound seems to be gone, replaced by a much more direct and crunchy sound. BLACK sounds very much in the vein (no pun intended) of the 2 new tunes that appeared on BAD CHANNELS. Same fast, no frills style as those and less of the eerie sounds that BOC normally delivered. The lyrics are very simple, and the chorus is sort of repetitive. But overall, I like it! Then again, I have been waiting so long for a new BOC tune (ok, we ALL have) that I would not care at this point if they did an entire album of Brady Bunch cover tunes, as long as they did SOMETHING! It ain't pretty, but it does KICK! All in all I like it!!! Can't wait to hear the rest of this sucker. Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** Torgo at norwich.net DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos Palace: Galaxystation.com PORT-9998 *********************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Mon Mar 9 17:55:16 1998 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 22:55:16 GMT Subject: BOC: See you in black Message-ID: >I then proceed to call the local "classic rock" station, 105.9, WBGG, BIG 106, >who is known for playing new tracks from classic artists. The DJ was all >excited when I told her about See You In Black, took my number, said she would >speak to the program manager to see if he got the single and call me back. >She called me the next day "nope, we never got it." She said she would get >him to call CMC to see whats up. Meanwhile, I still haven't heard the track, >I'm desperately trying to drum up some support here in South Florida, and I'm >sure I'll have bought Heaven Forbid on the 24th before I hear the single on >the radio (if it ever gets played here at all). Do you think they're gonna shoot a video for that song ? And get some airplay on MTV ? Yeah, riiiight... *sigh* Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK Tue Mar 10 05:55:16 1998 From: C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:55:16 GMT Subject: HW: Oh dear god NO!!! Message-ID: Bernhard quoted Andy then added.... > >> btw: Star_Rats told me a couple of days ago, that it looks not >>good for > >> WWW.HAWKWIND.COM comming back. The reason seems to be money >>problems. > > > >Heck, I'd host it on my site for nothing (I'm sure I've got loads >of my > free 10 MByte left :) > > OK. Get in touch with our special friend (Doug Smith). > I wish you all the luck !!! This set me thinking (anything to avoid writing lectures!). Here on BOC-L we've got a fantastic resource of HW knowledge and a repository of computing skills. Why not combine these into a HW website of our own which would be a suitable replacement for hawkwind.com. There seem to be plenty of people here with good links to the band, their own site shows that Kris and Dave have some interest in the 'net, so maybe this could be a home for their official information. Chris Bates From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Tue Mar 10 05:55:35 1998 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 12:55:35 +0200 Subject: HW: Changes Message-ID: Hej, I have been listening to a lot of different HW cd's from the various eras of the band and it is amazing just how many style changes the band has been through over the years. The very early daze characterized by really spacey free form jams based around synths. When Lemmy joins, the bottom end really fills in and the songs become heavier. By the time of Hall of the mountain Grill, Simon House brings in an almost orchestral aspect to the band and the work with Michael Moorcock on Warrior creates a spacey sci fi adventure. Then things really change a Calvert seems to have a huge influence to create some more real songs but the music is still quite adventurous. When Huw comes back the guitar sound gets a more heavy (metal?) edge and this is translated thru a lot of the early 80's releases but the band still use a lot of synths and create some good instrumentals... etc........ sorry I went on so long but my point is can any band compare to these very different style changes. The Rolling Stones are still doing basically the same thing, the Kinks and Status Quo never really altered their great song writing styles, the DEAD were, just the DEAD, you either loved it our you could never understand what everyone was into, Santana, etc... all these long lived bands who are still around never quite changed as much as HW. I guess Tangerine Dream really was quite different in the beginning but you have to think that they really have not changed that radically in the last 20 years, except to get more mellow.. Wow.... it was so quiet on the list I just had to say something.. SCott ObCs- Las Cruces- S.O.L. (US 1997) R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 38 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Mar 10 07:18:09 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 12:18:09 -0000 Subject: HW: Oh dear god NO!!! Message-ID: On Tuesday, March 10, 1998 10:55 AM, Chris Bates [SMTP:C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK] wrote: > > This set me thinking (anything to avoid writing lectures!). Here > on BOC-L we've got a fantastic resource of HW knowledge and a > repository of computing skills. Why not combine these into a HW > website of our own which would be a suitable replacement for > hawkwind.com. There seem to be plenty of people here with good > links to the band, their own site shows that Kris and Dave have some > interest in the 'net, so maybe this could be a home for their official > information. > Well, I did e-mail the Actonium one, time will tell! Meanwhile (in case there's anyone who doesn't know), for historical HW stuff, Frank's "Golden Void" (http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void.html) is pretty hard to top, and Paul's "Sonique" page (http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/) is there too of course - but I think what we miss from hawkwind.com is the EBS release dates, the previews of albums covers, stuff like that. -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Mon Mar 9 18:46:39 1998 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 23:46:39 GMT Subject: WAY OFF: Jobhunting (need heeeeelp !!!) Message-ID: Hey folks, it recently struck me that maybe some of you could help me out here. I know this is totally off topic, and I apologize, but I'm getting kinda desperate here - and I promise never to do this again :-o See, I've been looking for a job in the States for months, but it's hard when you're stuck out in Mexico, in the middle of nowhere. I hate it here and it's been driving me nuts for the last 5 months or so, and I'm not sure I can take this situation much longer. But before I go back to the States, for "visa" reasons, I need to find a job first. So, if any of you can help me here, I'd really, really, REALLY appreciate it !!! :-o The only problem is that, to get the H1B visa I need, I have to find a job related to the field in which I graduated - that is, literature. Which basically means anything related to writing (which is fine with me - just not the easiest kind of job to find). If any of you know of an opportunity... please let me know. My resume is available upon request. *praying for a miracle* Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Mar 10 09:01:00 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:01:00 -0000 Subject: HW: Lemmy on TV again Message-ID: Oh yeah, I finally got around to watching Friday night's TV. I thought Lemmy got pissed off because they were all taking the piss non-stop. And because they wouldn't let him smoke! Anyway, much funnier was Bill Bailey's "tribute" to progressive rock later on, with an "epic" song called "The Leg of Time". Absolutely spot on! -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Mar 10 10:09:01 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:09:01 -0500 Subject: Hello? Message-ID: I'm listing the radio stations that have played SYIB on my BOC website. Here's what I have so far: tune today! Here's a few cool FM stations that have played the single: WGIR - 101.1 in New Hampshire (DJ comment: "This is awesome, probably the best stuff we're playing all night...") WPLR - 99.1 in Hamden, Connecticut WDHA - 105.5 in Cedar Knolls, New Jersey WRXL - 102 in Richmond, Virginia (DJ comment: "Wow, this truly rocks!!!") WAVE - 104.1 in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina WTUE - 104.7 in Dayton, Ohio WZNF - 93.5 near Chicago, Illinois KLPX - 96.1 near Tuscon, Arizona KISW - 99.9 in Seattle, Washington KLKX - 93.5 in Lancaster/Palmdale, California (DJ comment: "That's in your face ROCK and ROLL") KGB - 101.5 in San Diego, California (DJ comment: "OOH yeah..that's one jammin tune..brand new Blue Oyster Cult from their new album Heaven Forbid!....") (oops - sorry 'bout the cut/past error above) Anyway, those of you who live near one of the above stations should definitely call and request the song. While it is important to get other stations to play it, we need to convince the stations that HAVE played it that they should continue to do so. For instance, don't let WGIR in New Hampshire think that I'm the only one who wants to hear BOC! These places respond to volume more than anything else, and 100 requests from the same person is going to be more of a turn-off for them than 1 request from 10-20 (or more) people. And, if people know of other places that SYIB is playing, please e-mail me. My website will continue to be updated daily (or every-other-daily) for the next few weeks -- http://members.aol.com/bocfaqman (go to the "BOC NEWS" section). John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Mar 10 10:10:41 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:10:41 -0500 Subject: BOC: HardRadio Message-ID: What's up with this? Does HardRadio really have liscence to do this? I am currently trying to get permission to put a RealAudio clip of SYIB on my BOC website, but so far CMC has been silent. Buck thought that I'd need to go through them as they are in charge of the distribution, not the band. John From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Tue Mar 10 10:32:15 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:32:15 +0100 Subject: HW: Changes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 12:55 10.03.98 +0200, you wrote: >Hej, > > I have been listening to a lot of different HW cd's from the >various eras of the band and it is amazing just how many style changes the >band has been through over the years. The very early daze characterized by >really spacey free form jams based around synths. When Lemmy joins, the >bottom end really fills in and the songs become heavier. By the time of >Hall of the mountain Grill, Simon House brings in an almost orchestral >aspect to the band and the work with Michael Moorcock on Warrior creates a >spacey sci fi adventure. Then things really change a Calvert seems to have >a huge influence to create some more real songs but the music is still >quite adventurous. When Huw comes back the guitar sound gets a more heavy >(metal?) edge and this is translated thru a lot of the early 80's releases >but the band still use a lot of synths and create some good >instrumentals... etc........ sorry I went on so long but my point is can >any band compare to these very different style changes. The Rolling Stones >are still doing basically the same thing, the Kinks and Status Quo never >really altered their great song writing styles, the DEAD were, just the >DEAD, you either loved it our you could never understand what everyone was >into, Santana, etc... all these long lived bands who are still around never >quite changed as much as HW. I guess Tangerine Dream really was quite >different in the beginning but you have to think that they really have not >changed that radically in the last 20 years, except to get more mellow.. What about PINK FLOYD or LED ZEPPELIN ? Especially LZ chaged their style extremely between 1978-1980 Bernhard From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Tue Mar 10 10:30:12 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:30:12 +0100 Subject: HW: Oh dear god NO!!! In-Reply-To: <01BD4C1E.BD960FA0.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: At 12:18 10.03.98 +0000, you wrote: >Frank's "Golden Void" >(http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void.html) is pretty hard to >top, and Paul's "Sonique" page >(http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/) is there too of >course Yeah! I would take the same sites as a basic HAWKFAN site. But there is still the problem that we need someone who is very close to the band or the "management". Bernhard >but I think what we miss from hawkwind.com is the EBS release dates, the >previews of albums covers, stuff like that. > >-Andy > >-- >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue Mar 10 10:51:34 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:51:34 -0500 Subject: BOC: HardRadio Message-ID: John said: >What's up with this? Does HardRadio really have liscence to do this? I would assume so, but you never know. I'm upset that HardRadio mentions CMC artists Judas Priest and Saxon prominently, and even features a cut from Iron Maiden's new album (also out on the 24th), yet there's no mention of BOC! Maybe HardRadio wants to remain "pure" and not promote a band like BOC who is probably not, in their definition, a heavy metal band? >I am currently trying to get permission to put a RealAudio clip of SYIB on >my BOC website, but so far CMC has been silent. Buck thought that I'd >need to go through them as they are in charge of the distribution, not >the band. Good luck! I hope they get back to you faster than they've been able to add Heaven Forbid to their Web site... I know, I know... I should be happy that a new BOC album is coming out and leave it at that. I'm happy. Really :) Brian obVIDEOGAMES> My 18yr old Intellivision still works! From Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG Tue Mar 10 10:50:32 1998 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG (Olivier Boigey) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:50:32 +0200 Subject: HW: Changes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message ID on 10/03/98, BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List wrote: > Wow.... it was so quiet on the list I just had to say something.. > > SCott Well IMO, Harvey Bainbridge is not to be forgotten in what he provided the band with: texts, good synth, modernismI Olivier ________________________Olivier Boigey________________________ 6 rue Pasquier - 92300 - Levallois Perret - FRANCE TEL/FAX: 33 1 41 05 08 50 - e-mail: olivier_boigey at technolink.org - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Tue Mar 10 10:55:24 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:55:24 +0000 Subject: HW: Simon King Message-ID: Christian and Max write: >>Max Wilcox writes: >>--------- >>Well, one of these people, who's name, by the >> way, is Simon, she has spent quite a bit of time chatting to. Just >>recently >> she was discussing his past, and lo and behold, he said he is an >>ex-drummer >> from HW. >> Lucky bloody person... > > > >Ya, he never spontaeneously exploded onstage during any drumsolos! (cause >he was on a VERY VERYVERY strict diet during the entire 70s) > >Seriously that is a cool story. Is your friend into Hawkwind? King's long >stint with Hawkwind was a short period of his life so one can wonder if he >has any idea what Hawkwind & co are up to now or how he looks back on it or >if he cares! > >AFAIK his leaving Hawkwind was also leaving the music biz for good. > >Nik Turner could probably use 3 (exploding) drummers onstage, taking in >all those stray/sacked HW'ers hanging around in bars! > >"The Year is 1999.... you are welcome, you are welcome...." ;) > > > >Christian I just thought that I would flesh-out something of what Simon King is doing these days! A few months back, I was privaledged to be invited to a party, held by someone connected to the HW camp. I don't wan't to brag about being invited etc, but as there is some interest from BOC-L about Simon, here goes: A very nice civilised evening it was too, and NO huge amounts of drugs and wild antics, as the rumours used to be spread about HW clan-gatherings! None of the current line-up were at the party, but Simon was, and I had the privaledge of talking with him and his partner for a good couple of hours. Simon hasn't done any serious drumming since leaving Hawkwind, and when I asked him if he missed it, - absolutely not at all! At the time, there was a rumour that Danny Thomas wanted to re-join the ranks, on the grounds that the best ever HW output was when they had two drummers (probably true)! I mentioned this to Simon, enquiring that if he was ever to be asked, would he do guest slots etc, but he said that he would be too un-prepared to perform a gig - something about being "stage-fit", besides, he had no desire to be back on stage at all. So, what's he up to these days? A few years back, he was dealing in antiques in and around west London, and currently he is trading virtually anything! He's doing a lot of cycling these days too. He was telling me a story how last year, he went along to some big charity cycle ride, starting on the Green in Richmond, London, and somehow got caught-up with the top competitive guys, and managed to hang on to them for a couple of miles! If you frequent the tow-path along the Thames in that part of London, the chances are, that one day you'd meet up with him and his familly on bikes. I never met him when he was drumming, but he has filled-out a lot, looking a lot healthier now! (He was rather skinny during the HW years!) Anyhow, he was a really nice bloke, and I feel very privaleged to have been able to talk with him then! Guy. From deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET Tue Mar 10 12:08:03 1998 From: deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET (Aaron Crandall) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:08:03 -0800 Subject: BOC: HardRadio Message-ID: John wrote: >What's up with this? Does HardRadio really have liscence to do this? I >am currently trying to get permission to put a RealAudio clip of SYIB on >my BOC website, but so far CMC has been silent. Buck thought that I'd >need to go through them as they are in charge of the distribution, not >the band. I suppose they get permission in the same way all those other radio stations you listed do. HardRadio is the only site I've come across that actually warrants the term "radio" -- it's 24 hours/day live streaming audio and they play everthing from Metallica to Motorhead to Manowar all commercial free. It appears to be quite a successful site. I've heard SYIB 3 times since Friday...too bad they don't have a DJ that comments on new stuff. Aaron deadline at cyberhighway.net P.S. If anyone knows about any other radio sites on the internet (that are more than just a couple of RealAudio clips) I'd be interested in the URL. Music genre doesn't matter. From mwood at AGILE.COM Tue Mar 10 11:20:29 1998 From: mwood at AGILE.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:20:29 -0500 Subject: HW: Simon King Message-ID: LN1GJT wrote: > Danny Thomas wanted to re-join the ranks Danny Thomas? I think that the gobs of time he spends raising money for the St. Jude's Children's Hospital would prevent him from touring. (Well, that and the fact that he's dead.) :) Seriously, though - thanks for the King update! MWood From tgn at GATE.NET Tue Mar 10 11:36:37 1998 From: tgn at GATE.NET (Timothy G. Northrup) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:36:37 -0500 Subject: BOC: HardRadio Message-ID: On Tuesday, March 10, 1998 12:08 PM, Aaron Crandall[SMTP:deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET] wrote: > P.S. If anyone knows about any other radio sites on the internet (that are > more than just a couple of RealAudio clips) I'd be interested in the URL. > Music genre doesn't matter. Check out http://www.timecast.com/ -- they have a pretty good guide to what's out there, along with a "What's On Now" list. -- Tim -- Timothy G. Northrup (TimNorthrup at CompuServe.Com -- ICQ #3835296) Managed Care Systems, Inc. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Mar 10 11:50:13 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:50:13 -0500 Subject: BOC: HardRadio Message-ID: >I would assume so, but you never know. I'm upset that HardRadio mentions CMC artists Judas Priest and Saxon prominently, and even features a cut from Iron Maiden's new album (also out on the 24th), yet there's no mention of BOC! Well, HEAVEN FORBID is now listed in their "Upcoming Releases" section, so maybe we just have to give them time. >Good luck! I hope they get back to you faster than they've been able to add Heaven Forbid to their Web site... I'll keep bugging CMC about this - I've also asked HardRadio what channels they go through (if any) to get such permission to broadcast this stuff. Will keep all BOC channels informed... John From mlooney at IONET.NET Tue Mar 10 12:09:17 1998 From: mlooney at IONET.NET (J. Michael Looney) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:09:17 -0600 Subject: BOC: HardRadio Message-ID: >P.S. If anyone knows about any other radio sites on the internet (that are >more than just a couple of RealAudio clips) I'd be interested in the URL. >Music genre doesn't matter. Follow this: http://www.web-radio.com/fr_list.html The normal radio station web feed that I have run into is a 2 feed system, where you get a 15-20 second ad for something, then it kicks over to the live feed of the station. The "cutting-edge-high-speed-music-that-matters-genX-rulez-join-the-90's" radio stations in Tulsa have lame web sites with nadda in the way of feeds. KVOO, an OLD country station has a live feed and a pretty good web site. The "Classic Rock" stations don't seem to know that the internet exists at all. This means, in my part of the world at least, that the most "wired" people are the red-necks. Just great. From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Tue Mar 10 12:10:40 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:10:40 +0000 Subject: HW: Simon King and BBC In-Reply-To: <3505684C.6911@agile.com> Message-ID: MWood wrote: >LN1GJT wrote: >> Danny Thomas wanted to re-join the ranks> > >Danny Thomas? I think that the gobs of time he spends raising money >for the St. Jude's Children's Hospital would prevent him from touring. >(Well, that and the fact that he's dead.) :) > >Seriously, though - thanks for the King update! > >MWood Sorry 'bout that! I guess that I was getting confused again - just like the cover notes to the BBC live at Reading '86 CD, which had amongst the line-up as follows: Drums: Danny Thomas jnr! (Remember that total sleeve cock-up?) (Also does anyone else reckon that the geezer on the cover with the mobile keyboard looks a tad like Danny?) Also on that CD, if you look at the track listing, there is no mention of Brainstorm anywhere, and I suspect that Nik got no royalties (as he wrote the song) from the CD at all. Now this I know was NOT a deliberate attempt by the band to rip-off Nik. I've actually seen the BBC master tapes (I know someone there), and they've got the track listing all wrong! Incidentally, it's worth noting here, that of all the BBC recordings listed in John Peel's book, the only ones remaining are: 1972 Paris Theatre (now on CD) 1985 Tommy Vance session, three tracks: Got Your Number Assault of the Hawk Magnu - Dream Worker of Time 1986 Reading Festival 1988 Hammersmith Odeon (Brainstorm on the archived version is complete) 1995 In session (since the book was published) The bits missing from the '86 and '88 gigs aren't held by the BBC. There was an extra 40mins from Hammersmith, and another 25mins or so from Reading. The chances are that the final mixed down tapes would have been handed over by the producer (I think it was Geoff Griffin?) and the rest would have been binned. (Unless the producer kept copies of the whole gig.) I know that Doug Smith has got/or is going to get DATs of all the BBC archive, with a view to licensing the material, especially the '85 and '88 for release on EBS. Let us pray! From kg at THING.DE Tue Mar 10 12:18:42 1998 From: kg at THING.DE (stalker) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 18:18:42 +0100 Subject: CALVERT - online again Message-ID: the subject is the message the spirit of the p/age is back online @ http://www.thing.de/projekte/future - as usual k. From chip at PCC.COM Tue Mar 10 13:04:46 1998 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:04:46 -0500 Subject: BOC: HardRadio In-Reply-To: <01BD4C18.CA7911A0@jrstgn1> from "Timothy G. Northrup" at Mar 10, 98 11:36:37 am Message-ID: > > P.S. If anyone knows about any other radio sites on the internet (that are > > more than just a couple of RealAudio clips) I'd be interested in the URL. > > Music genre doesn't matter. The best site I've found, so far, is: www.thedj.com It can be *really* good. 50+ channels. -- Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8214 From mumford at ONLINE.NO Tue Mar 10 13:45:10 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 19:45:10 +0100 Subject: BOC: HardRadio Message-ID: Highly recommended comes WFMU in East Orange NJ - go to www.wfmu.org great freeform station with everything from jewish alternative prayers to spacey kraut and drone excursions, underground techno, lots of 60s psych, oddball and ancient musics, rants and raves from madmen and so on... William Shatner, Masai war dances and Atari Teenage Riot back to back. On sunday nights/mornings there is one DJ who has played older Hawkwind stuff in the past, and plenty of spacerock stuff in general (DJ fabio-something). Christian From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Mar 10 14:18:44 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:18:44 -0500 Subject: BOC: Album-buying advice to Boston-area fans Message-ID: This info is for those of you (like me) who are planning on picking up HEAVEN FORBID on March 24th in the Boston area - I probably shouldn't share as it might endanger my chances of picking up the first copy in the area... Stopped by my local Tower Records and Newbury Comics to check on how well these two stores do on getting just-released stuff on the shelves. Went through the racks with a copy of ICE magazine in hand - looking at the list of March 10th releases. Tower Records was pretty disappointing - less than half, probably closer to a quarter of the releases scheduled to be out today were nowhere to be found. In particular, I was looking for Motorhead's *Snake Bite Love* as this CD is also on CMC International - not there. Over at Newbury Comics ("For a wicked good time..."), the results were MUCH better. Probably at least half, if not more, of the March 10th releases were either in the "new releases" section, or in the bins of their respective artists. CMC's Motorhead release was there, so I have some confidence in CMC's ability to deliver their products on time. Furthermore, Newbury Comics has a bulletin board listing upcoming releases -- 1st one listed for March 24th was BOC's HEAVEN FORBID. Think I'll be in line when the doors open at Newbury Comics on the 24th... John From adawson at CLARA.NET Tue Mar 10 15:05:25 1998 From: adawson at CLARA.NET (Andrew Dawson) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 20:05:25 +0000 Subject: HW: Oh dear god NO!!! In-Reply-To: <01BD4C1E.BD960FA0.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: At 12:18 10/03/98 -0000, Andy Gilham wrote: >Well, I did e-mail the Actonium one, time will tell! Meanwhile (in case >there's anyone who doesn't know), for historical HW stuff, Frank's "Golden >Void" (http://www.enteract.com/~weil/golden_void.html) is pretty hard to >top, and Paul's "Sonique" page >(http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/) is there too of course - >but I think what we miss from hawkwind.com is the EBS release dates, the >previews of albums covers, stuff like that. > >-Andy > >-- >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > > Hi there, I have been lurking here for a few weeks now so its about time I said something . I have a web site (See sig) dedicated to the Hawksters. It is basically a worldwide discography of all Hawkwind's album and CD releases giving record labels, catalogue numbers, release dates country of origin ets as well as scans of (nearly) all the album sleeves and variations. A singles discography will follow as soon as I get more web space. Take a look and let me know what you think. Andy Andrew Dawson adawson at clara.net http://home.clara.net/adawson http://www.adawson.clara.net From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Mar 10 15:35:44 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:35:44 -0500 Subject: BOC: CMC's website Message-ID: THIS JUST IN!! http://www.cmcinternational.com/boc.html Chec out the webpage for BOC's new album, HEAVEN FORBID, at CMC International's website. Featuring a color shot of the album cover, sound samples of "See You in Black", and some descriptive text. Check it out! John From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue Mar 10 16:32:41 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:32:41 -0500 Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid on CMC Web site Message-ID: The album art and an intro to the band are now up on the CMC site: http://www.cmcinternational.com The album art looks pretty cool, with a "subliminal" BOC symbol. Check it out! They also have See You In Black in 2 audio formats for you to download. Brian From Brizo777 at AOL.COM Tue Mar 10 16:34:23 1998 From: Brizo777 at AOL.COM (Brizo777) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:34:23 EST Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid on CMC Web site Message-ID: In a message dated 98-03-10 16:33:04 EST, you write: << >> yes..its a great section and preview of HF and review commentary about BOC's place in R&R...I am getting too excited here....!!!! briz From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Mar 10 15:39:42 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:39:42 EDT Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid on CMC Web site In-Reply-To: <329A5258416CD111928F006008A62C760CD83E@BPXSV> Message-ID: > From: brian halligan > The album art and an intro to the band > are now up on the CMC site: > http://www.cmcinternational.com > > The album art looks pretty cool, with > a "subliminal" BOC symbol. Check > it out! > > They also have See You In Black > in 2 audio formats for you to download. > Looks like CMC is giving BOC the full treatment. Pretty cool. Although I almost blanched at the sight of the album cover, which is disturbingly reminiscent of the dreadedPhantom of the Opera, a musical [use the term advisedly!] endeavor that usually incites paroxysms of rage in me normally reserved for Rush, another north-of the-border disaster. Oops, sorry, sorry...Couldn't help myself. Really, the treatments are helping, I swear it... theo From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Mar 10 16:43:11 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:43:11 -0600 Subject: BOC : Where everbody is possibly. Message-ID: >So, anybody else heard "See You in Black" on the radio yet? >John Nope not here. Doubtful I will unless the Greaseman gives it a spin one morning on the way to work. Rock radio in this area is pretty bad (MHO) so I catch Grease on the way in and Sports Talk on the way home. Maybe thats where everyone is, home listening to the radio or camping out in front of record stores. Hopefully somehwere around the country stations are spinning the hell out of this single. Without heavy rotation its impossible to get good record sales these days. On the legal side Supreme Court just ruled against manufactures shpping goods overseas and blocking there re-entry back into the US based on copyright protection. In essence manufactures have been shipping goods overseas at cut rate prices but using copyright protection to stop independent dealers from re-importing them into the US. This case dealt mostly with manufactured goods like clothing and perfume but experts think this can also have a broader impact on music companies, movie studios and publishers. Wouldn't it be nice to get European Imports for the same price as US versions. Ghost in the Ruins From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Tue Mar 10 18:37:02 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 18:37:02 -0500 Subject: HW: Oh dear god NO!!! Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > Yeah! I would take the same sites as a basic HAWKFAN site. > But there is still the problem that we need someone who is very close to > the band or the "management". easy enuff. all it takes is the will and the budget to handle the phone bills.if its proband and does not compromise any copy rights (rec. material, etc) the "management" will support it. call them, talk a while, explain yerself. they are very supportive of whatever... rj From mumford at ONLINE.NO Tue Mar 10 20:12:26 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 02:12:26 +0100 Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid on CMC Web site Message-ID: theo spits venomously: > Looks like CMC is giving BOC the full treatment. Pretty cool. > Although I almost blanched at the sight of the album cover, which is > disturbingly reminiscent of the dreadedPhantom of the Opera, a > musical [use the term advisedly!] endeavor that usually incites > paroxysms of rage in me normally reserved for Rush, another north-of > the-border disaster. Oops, sorry, sorry...Couldn't help myself. > Really, the treatments are helping, I swear it... > > theo Have you had your medication adjusted recently ?? ;) And where are those... those... little square things... with two holes in them... not... in.. my.. mailbox... ever... it has been so... long I... I... I... no longer.. remember what... those things are... called... we put them inside... black machines and they make sounds as little... prayer wheels... turn... and turn... ever on and... on... you... were... sending me... some... in the.. future... is it here... yet... is the future... ever?? Rush From mumford at ONLINE.NO Tue Mar 10 21:32:13 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 03:32:13 +0100 Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid on CMC Web site Message-ID: Wow! See You InBlack definetly kicks more ass than anything of BOC the past 15 (?) years.. I was sort of expecting something Club Ninja-ish ;) Hell, they could trick those 15 year olds into buying this! So what's up with both HW and BOC's new albums being fast, heavy and rocky AND titles containing "Horizon" or "Heaven"... must be something in the sky... (aliens? god? planets & stars?) From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Mar 11 03:13:05 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (antisol _8) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 00:13:05 PST Subject: CALVERT - online again Message-ID: >the spirit of the p/age is back online beautiful! That page is truly a work of art, also really the only readily available information resource on his work and career. I knew practically nothing about the guy until I came upon it, now I consider him one of the most remarkable people of later 20th culture. I think the name "spirit of the page" is cheesy as hell tho. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Mar 11 04:22:15 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:22:15 -0000 Subject: HW: Oh dear god NO!!! Message-ID: On Tuesday, March 10, 1998 8:05 PM, Andrew Dawson [SMTP:adawson at CLARA.NET] wrote: > Take a look and let me know what you think. Stone me! That's impressive! You don't include cassette releases though! :)))) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Tue Mar 10 22:31:18 1998 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 03:31:18 GMT Subject: BOC: See you in black Message-ID: Hey folks, no need to wait for HardRadio to play "See you in black" - you can actually listen to it anytime you want. Just go to their page (or click on the "music" button from the main page) and then click on the "Heaven forbid" cover and - tada ! - there you have it, the whole song, for your ears only :-) Now, since I've never seen BOC in concert, I'd never heard this song before. A good surprise, I guess, although I was a bit bothered by the metal edge I found in it. I mean, it really sounds much heavier than most of their previous songs - IMHO, that is. Then again, the sound quality isn't really the best there is, so I'll probably have to wait until I can hear it in better conditions. And what the heck, it'll probably grow on me anyway *smile* Oh, and I really like that new song from UFO too - "Venus", it's called, and you can also listen to it from that same page... Jesus ! I had no idea UFO was still together ! But I'm glad they are, cause that song's really cool... Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 11 06:33:56 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:33:56 GMT Subject: HW: Oh dear god NO!!! In-Reply-To: Andrew Dawson's message of Tue, 10 Mar 1998 20:05:25 +0000 Message-ID: Andrew Dawson writes: > Hi there, > I have been lurking here for a few weeks now so its about time I said > something . > I have a web site (See sig) dedicated to the Hawksters. It is basically a > worldwide discography > of all Hawkwind's album and CD releases giving record labels, catalogue > numbers, release dates > country of origin ets as well as scans of (nearly) all the album sleeves > and variations. A singles > discography will follow as soon as I get more web space. > Take a look and let me know what you think. It's great. I got a look at the Silver Machine CD (legend) that I don't have. A few details to help out: "Silver Machine" is an extra track on the Spanish LP of X In Search of Space. The extra tracks on the Night of the Hawk CD are also on the Australian version of the LP. There's a different cover of Roadhawks with train tracks and a picture of the usual LP cover lying between the tracks. There's a new Silver Machine compilation CD out in the UK: 1998 Silver Machine CD [Hallmark compilation] Hurry On Sundown Space Is Deep Motorhead Magnu Angels Of Death We Do It British Tribal Music Ghost Dance World Of Tiers Urban Guerilla Earth Calling Silver Machine I'm not sure if there are others you haven't covered. Email me for my discography if you like. Cheers FoFP From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 11 07:00:18 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:00:18 EDT Subject: off:UFO In-Reply-To: <199803110331.DAA02273@LAGUNA-01.laguna.com.mx> Message-ID: > From: "Alex S. Garcia" > Oh, and I really like that new song from UFO too - "Venus", it's called, and > you can also listen to it from that same page... Jesus ! I had no idea UFO > was still together ! But I'm glad they are, cause that song's really cool... > What's the current UFO lineup nowadays? theo From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed Mar 11 08:03:16 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:03:16 +0100 Subject: off:UFO Message-ID: ---------- > Fra: Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 > What's the current UFO lineup nowadays? > > theo Look at the CMC website! Schenker, Mogg, Way and a couple of others... Christian From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Wed Mar 11 07:36:42 1998 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:36:42 +0200 Subject: off:UFO In-Reply-To: <21ADFB5100@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: >> From: "Alex S. Garcia" >> Oh, and I really like that new song from UFO too - "Venus", it's called, and >> you can also listen to it from that same page... Jesus ! I had no idea UFO >> was still together ! But I'm glad they are, cause that song's really cool... >> >What's the current UFO lineup nowadays? > >theo Well, the line up is the late 76-late 78 line up of: Phil Mogg- vocals Pete Way- Bass Andy Parker- Drums in the studio (These first three are original members from 1969!) Simon Philips- Drums (live ) Michael Schenker- Guitar Paul Raymond- Guitar and Keys I would not really call them a band though. They are a group of guys who get up on stage together and play. They travel in separate buses, stay in different hotels, eat at different resteraunts and show up on stage at the correct time. A huge rift between Schenker and Mogg due to drugs has never been resolved but they keep going for the money. I really doubt they will be able to pull it together for another line up. Mogg and Pete Way recorded a so so lp called Mogg-Way with a guitar hero guy named George Bellas after this line up of UFO broke up in 95. They reformed for this tour. This quote new UFO lp was recorded in 1994 and released in japan in 1995, so it is really not that new! SCott ObCs- Spiritual Beggers R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 38 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 11 06:24:02 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:24:02 +0000 Subject: HW: Simon King In-Reply-To: <5024551510031998/A17649/LNMV02/11C353F71700*@MHS> Message-ID: In article <5024551510031998/A17649/LNMV02/11C353F71700*@MHS>, LN1GJT writes >He's doing a lot of cycling these days too. He was telling me a story how last >year, he went along to some big charity cycle ride, starting on the Green in >Richmond, London, and somehow got caught-up with the top competitive guys, and >managed to hang on to them for a couple of miles! If you frequent the tow-path >along the Thames in that part of London, the chances are, that one day you'd >meet up with him and his familly on bikes. I live and work by Richmond Green, and cycle between the two, along the towpath, several times a day. I'll have to keep an eye out. "oy, mister, are you Si King?" "oy mate!!! Oi, Come back!!" -- Jon From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Mar 11 08:34:24 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 07:34:24 -0600 Subject: BOC: SYIB and CMC Message-ID: Just visisted the CMC site and I gotta tell you I wanted to fletch when I saw the cover artwork. That is so "NOT -BOC" I want to scream. Hey I'm happy its going to be on the shelves and CMC seems to be putting their heart into making it a sucess.....but that art work is...is...is hell I don't have the words... Hey John, don't know about Boston area but stores like Best Buy and the like are pretty flaky putting stuff on the shel;ves. The Towers I visist most often hit about 98% of the new releases on the exact date. Best Buy is abysmal, there can be a delay of up to one week (King's X Ear Candy comes to mind). Pretty sure they will get HB out there on the same day though as they tend to carry a lot of CMC discs. Wel 13 days and counting... Theo, you need a refill on your prescription, saw the "R" thing starting to. happen. Alex, E-mail me your resume if you have any technical apptitude or can convert to technical writing. One of our main recruiters is housed here with me and she has access to national job openings. Offices across every corner of the US and Canada. If you have a preference let me know that as well. I may also have an opening or two on my staff in the next six months or so but you need to be able to negotiate large IT deals to work for me. Ciao Ghost In The Ruins OBCD - Child of the Novelty, Frank Marino and MH From acobley at COMPUTING.DUNDEE.AC.UK Wed Mar 11 08:45:20 1998 From: acobley at COMPUTING.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy C) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:45:20 +0000 Subject: BOC: SYIB and CMC Message-ID: BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: > Just visisted the CMC site and I gotta tell you I wanted to fletch > when > I saw the cover artwork. That is so "NOT -BOC" I want to scream. Hey > > I'm happy its going to be on the shelves and CMC seems to be putting > their heart into making it a sucess.....but that art work is...is...is > > hell I don't have the words... > > I hate to ask but can you give us the URL for the CMC site ? Andy C -- "The most popular genre is comedy (19%) and is particularly attractive to girls, with 23% of girls selecting it. Perhaps surprisingly the second choiceamong the girls was horror (14% of the female vote). " Media Matters, Herald Survey, What They Watch From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Mar 11 09:20:23 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 06:20:23 PST Subject: off:UFO - Pete Way Message-ID: Mogg and Pete Way recorded >a so so lp called Mogg-Way with a guitar hero guy named George Bellas after >this line up of UFO broke up in 95. > >SCott > What ever happened to the _Waysted_ thing which Pete Way (and who else?) setup in the early 80's? I remember seeing them back-up Status Quo in '84. Is there a discography or people-list? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Barczinski at CELANESE.DE Wed Mar 11 09:15:02 1998 From: Barczinski at CELANESE.DE (Barczinski, Reiner, WAC) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:15:02 +0100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ammon_D=FC=FCl_=28II=29?= Message-ID: Moi! ... it's all so expensive here, so I'm in need of recommendation for some of the first "MUST BE" purchases of this band(s). I#ve got the 69 - 74 compilation, and like it ... so, if somebody's able to help me out ? Reiner From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Mar 11 09:47:55 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:47:55 -0500 Subject: BOC: See you in black Message-ID: >Now, since I've never seen BOC in concert, I'd never heard this song before. A good surprise, I guess, although I was a bit bothered by the metal edge I found in it. I mean, it really sounds much heavier than most of their previous songs Well, what do you think songs like "Cities on Flame" sounded like to people in 1972? There has been some talk over what BOC should be releasing these days. Some think some of the "softer" stuff, like Harvest Moon (which has a very heavy middle section), or Live for Me are more appropriate. My opinion is that we don't neeto bother second-guessing BOC/CMC these days. After waiting 10 years for this album, they can do whatever the hell they want, as long as they release it. And, I like the idea of BOC going for a hard edge - make 'em sit up and take notice! After all that BOC has been through as far as getting this album out, and the fact that they aren't exactly in the mainstream these days, a "damn the torpedoes - full steam ahead!" approach is refreshing. John From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Wed Mar 11 08:50:43 1998 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:50:43 +0200 Subject: off:UFO - Pete Way In-Reply-To: <19980311142023.18073.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: >Mogg and Pete Way recorded >>a so so lp called Mogg-Way with a guitar hero guy named George Bellas >after >>this line up of UFO broke up in 95. >> >>SCott >> > >What ever happened to the _Waysted_ thing which Pete Way (and who else?) >setup in the early 80's? I remember seeing them back-up Status Quo in >'84. >Is there a discography or people-list? YOu can find everything you wanted to know about UFO and the off shoot bands at; http://www.i-way.co.uk/~tristang/UFO/UFO.html Good luck.. Scott R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 38 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Mar 11 09:59:34 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:59:34 -0500 Subject: BOC: SYIB and CMC Message-ID: >Just visisted the CMC site and I gotta tell you I wanted to fletch when I saw the cover artwork. That is so "NOT -BOC" I want to scream. Hey I'm happy its going to be on the shelves and CMC seems to be putting their heart into making it a sucess.....but that art work is...is...is hell I don't have the words... The words you are searching for, my friend, are F***ing COOL! ;-) Seriously, it is a rather twisted cover by BOC standards, but what the hell? Again, I like the "damn the torpedoes - full steam ahead!" approach that BOC/CMC are taking with this album. Let's get something that people will sit up and take notice of. I might have preferred a title of "Ezekiel's Wheel" with a cool cover depicting Ezekiel's vision, complete with UFOs, but we all don't get what we want. As for what is "BOC" in terms of artwork, what is that? Mirrors - picture of a rear-view mirror (yeah, I know, with hidden sperm cells in the clouds). Club Ninja - a space station shaped like the BOC logo. Secret Treaties - the band around an ME-262. SEE - the reaper riding on a horse. OYFOOYK - a limo pulled up in front of a church. Connections? I don't know. Part of the problem I think is that since we haven't had new BOC artwork for 10 years (i.e., no new albums), ANYTHING they do is going to seem atypical. This cover sure is different, but is the macabre imagery really that far left of what the band did with Spectres or Some Enchanted Evening? I like it for one simple reason - it has ATTITUDE - like "See You in Black". John PS: As Buck said on the AOL chat - HEAVEN FORBID: The eye-popping new CD from BOC! From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed Mar 11 09:59:48 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:59:48 +0100 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_OFF:_Amon_D=FC=FCl_=28II=29?= Message-ID: > > ... it's all so expensive here, so I'm in need of recommendation for > some of the first "MUST BE" purchases of this band(s). I#ve got the 69 - > 74 compilation, and like it ... so, if somebody's able to help me out ? > > Reiner Oooh... they are all good! My personal fave remains Carnival In Babylon though I suspect many will disagree. That album invokes some sort of shimmering something or other around and inside me. I would stay clear of Dance Of The Lemmings till last, as it is an extremely tedious and untogether album IMO. I would say, my fave ADII's in this order: Carnival In Babylon Yeti Phallus Dei Wolf City Live In Concert (BBC) /some really excellent heavy versions here btw. Vive La Trance Dance Of The Lemmings I have yet to get Live In London and the Lemmingmania comp with the singles but I suspect they are pretty good! ;) Anyone here heard the "new" Flawlwess or the Chris Karrer album? (Duulmeister Gilham??) Christian From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 11 09:06:49 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:06:49 EDT Subject: BOC: See you in black In-Reply-To: <199803111447.JAA07411@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: From: John A Swartz > There has been some talk over what BOC should be releasing these days. > Some think some of the "softer" stuff, like Harvest Moon (which has a > very heavy middle section), or Live for Me are more appropriate. My > opinion is that we don't neeto bother second-guessing BOC/CMC these > days. After waiting 10 years for this album, they can do whatever > the hell they want, as long as they release it. And, I like the idea of > BOC going for a hard edge - make 'em sit up and take notice! After > all that BOC has been through as far as getting this album out, and the > fact that they aren't exactly in the mainstream these days, a "damn the > torpedoes - full steam ahead!" approach is refreshing. > You know that, John! BOC has always been good at mixing up the tunes on their albums. If you do one style too much, it gets boring. If too many heavy tunes, they tend to loose their shock value. Better to start off with a heavy number or two, then a Harvest moon-type song or an instrumental, then Bang, another rocker... As long as BD's in the band, we can depend upon a steady diet of contemplative songs like Harvest--which is great. You can't blame him for wanting to continue the vein of songs that got the band radio airplay. And hey, DFtR and BFY are great songs! As is HM. And while those are cool songs, it IS the heavy shit that established BOC. Bring on SYIB... theo From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Mar 11 10:31:40 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:31:40 -0500 Subject: OFF: Amon Duul II Message-ID: Christian said... >> ... it's all so expensive here, so I'm in need of recommendation for >> some of the first "MUST BE" purchases of this band(s). I#ve got the 69 - >> 74 compilation, and like it ... so, if somebody's able to help me out ? >> >> Reiner > >Oooh... they are all good! My personal fave remains Carnival In Babylon >though I suspect many will disagree. That album invokes some >sort of shimmering something or other around and inside me. I would stay >clear of Dance Of The Lemmings till last, as it is an extremely tedious and >untogether album IMO. I would say, my fave ADII's in this order: > >Carnival In Babylon >Yeti >Phallus Dei >Wolf City >Live In Concert (BBC) /some really excellent heavy versions here btw. >Vive La Trance >Dance Of The Lemmings My list would be... Wolf City!! Made in Germany (Repertoire double-length version) Vive la Trance Dance of the Lemmings (only the last half is tedious) :) Utopia Carnival in Babylon Yeti Phallus Dei Hijack These are all 'classic' 70's albums. The mini-reunion that produced 'Vortex' in 1981 and the current (1995) one 'Nada Moonshine #', are both worthwhile, but are really hit-and-miss. Composition style is similar, but 'sound' is much more modern, particularly in the latter case. >I have yet to get Live In London and the Lemmingmania comp with the singles >but I suspect they are pretty good! ;) The 4 Lemmingmania tracks *are* quite good, and are worth the money IMHO. 'Rattlesnake Plumcake' is awesome for the title alone. :) >Anyone here heard the "new" Flawlwess or the Chris Karrer album? Like you indicate, 'Flawless' isn't really new. Karrer's album, Sufisticated is tops on my list of things to get. Keith H. (FAA) P.S. I saw on the isi 'krautrock' list, that they may have called it quits yet again. Is this true, Andy? If so, AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH! From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Wed Mar 11 10:36:27 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:36:27 +0100 Subject: HW: Oh dear god NO!!! In-Reply-To: <3505CE9D.CD025B2B@blackboard.com> Message-ID: At 18:37 10.03.98 -0500, you wrote: >Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > >> Yeah! I would take the same sites as a basic HAWKFAN site. >> But there is still the problem that we need someone who is very close to >> the band or the "management". > >easy enuff. all it takes is the will and the budget to handle the >phone bills. I have my serious doubts that this will work Bernhard From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Mar 11 10:49:58 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:49:58 -0000 Subject: OFF: Amon Düül (II) Message-ID: > Anyone here heard the "new" Flawlwess or the Chris Karrer album? > (Duulmeister Gilham??) > > Christian Obviously! :) _Flawless_ is a funny album - I think it's whatever Gerhard (ex-manager) had the rights to. The feedback I've had from Duul aficionados varies from "should be called Pointless" all the way to "not as bad as all that". Chris' latest solo, _Sufisticated_, I like a lot, but it's not a Duul album by any means - it's a melange of Mediterranean and Arabesque sounds. Very good playing and production. Then there's the "krautrock supergroup", Space Explosion, (Chris + guys from Cluster, Guru Guru, Faust, die Krupps) whose eponymous album is pretty tasty too. Much more of an updated krautrock cosmic mind journey etc etc. Japanese version has an extra track. Reiner - my all-time favourite Duul album is _Yeti_; but any of the albums featured on that compilation you've got is good all the way through. Of the later albums, _Made in Germany_ is a good one, if you can find the full version on Repertoire (picture of the group in fancy dress on the front, e.g. Renate as Brunnhilde), though a bit more of a straight "prog" album than the earlier ones. The best Amon Duul (I) album is _Paradieswarts Duul_, which I think you can still find on that French label, Spalax. Starts with a 17 minute freakout called "Love is Peace", and the lyric "once I had a hangup on the time machine". (BTW, a "spalax" is a small burrowing mammal.) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Mar 11 10:58:46 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:58:46 -0000 Subject: OFF: Amon Duul II Message-ID: On Wednesday, March 11, 1998 3:32 PM, Keith Henderson [SMTP:henderson.120 at OSU.EDU] wrote: > P.S. I saw on the isi 'krautrock' list, that they may have called it > quits > yet again. Is this true, Andy? If so, AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH! Well, I've not heard anything "official" - in fact I haven't heard anything at all for a while! But they've gone so quiet I'd pretty much assumed it to be the case. Chris has been spending more time on other projects, such as Space Explosion, and it's my impression he was the driving force. I don't think Renate and Lothar would soldier on without him. (And from what Renate said about him after the Sept 96 gig, I don't think she'll be working with John in the near future either :) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From adawson at CLARA.NET Wed Mar 11 13:25:49 1998 From: adawson at CLARA.NET (Andrew Dawson) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:25:49 +0000 Subject: HW: Oh dear god NO!!! In-Reply-To: <01BD4CCF.3515BC00.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: At 09:22 11/03/98 -0000, you wrote: >On Tuesday, March 10, 1998 8:05 PM, Andrew Dawson [SMTP:adawson at CLARA.NET] >wrote: > >> Take a look and let me know what you think. > >Stone me! That's impressive! > >You don't include cassette releases though! :)))) > >-Andy > >-- >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > > Hi Andy, thanks for the comments. I would have loved to include other formats such as cassettes but unfortunately at present have only 5MB of free web site and have already used 4.5M. Rumour has it that this will be increased in the near future. If not will look at other free sites. Warch this space. Andy Andrew Dawson adawson at clara.net http://home.clara.net/adawson http://www.adawson.clara.net From adawson at CLARA.NET Wed Mar 11 13:28:21 1998 From: adawson at CLARA.NET (Andrew Dawson) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:28:21 +0000 Subject: HW: Oh dear god NO!!! In-Reply-To: <199803111133.LAA07090@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 11:33 11/03/98 GMT, you wrote: > >It's great. I got a look at the Silver Machine CD (legend) that I don't have. > >A few details to help out: > >"Silver Machine" is an extra track on the Spanish LP of X In Search of >Space. > >The extra tracks on the Night of the Hawk CD are also on the Australian >version of the LP. > >There's a different cover of Roadhawks with train tracks and a picture >of the usual LP cover lying between the tracks. > >There's a new Silver Machine compilation CD out in the UK: > >1998 Silver Machine CD [Hallmark compilation] > Hurry On Sundown > Space Is Deep > Motorhead > Magnu > Angels Of Death > We Do It > British Tribal Music > Ghost Dance > World Of Tiers > Urban Guerilla > Earth Calling > Silver Machine > > >I'm not sure if there are others you haven't covered. Email me for my >discography if you like. > >Cheers > >FoFP > Not come across these before. do you have any scans or other info you could mail me and I can include them on the site Thanks Andy Andrew Dawson adawson at clara.net http://home.clara.net/adawson http://www.adawson.clara.net From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Wed Mar 11 07:37:09 1998 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:37:09 GMT Subject: BOC: SYIB and CMC Message-ID: >>Just visisted the CMC site and I gotta tell you I wanted to fletch when >I saw the cover artwork. That is so "NOT -BOC" I want to scream. Hey >I'm happy its going to be on the shelves and CMC seems to be putting >their heart into making it a sucess.....but that art work is...is...is >hell I don't have the words... > >The words you are searching for, my friend, are F***ing COOL! ;-) Uh... I don't think that's what he had in mind *laughing* And I tend to agree with him... >Seriously, it is a rather twisted cover by BOC standards, but what the >hell? Again, I like the "damn the torpedoes - full steam ahead!" approach >that BOC/CMC are taking with this album. Let's get something that people >will sit up and take notice of. Hmmm... well, I dunno. Honestly, if it weren't BOC, I probably wouldn't buy an album with a cover like that. I mean, I find it more repulsive then anything else... :-( >I might have preferred a title of "Ezekiel's Wheel" with a cool cover >depicting Ezekiel's vision, complete with UFOs, but we all don't get >what we want. Yeah, me too. Both the title & cover would have been much better :-o >As for what is "BOC" in terms of artwork, what is that? Mirrors - picture of >a rear-view mirror (yeah, I know, with hidden sperm cells in the clouds). >Club Ninja - a space station shaped like the BOC logo. Secret Treaties - >the band around an ME-262. SEE - the reaper riding on a horse. OYFOOYK - >a limo pulled up in front of a church. Connections? I don't know. You've got a good point... My personal favorite was the cover for FoUO. I also liked the covers of "Imaginos" and CE. Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Wed Mar 11 07:39:02 1998 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:39:02 GMT Subject: BOC: SYIB and CMC Message-ID: >I hate to ask but can you give us the URL for the CMC site ? http://www.cmcinternational.com/ Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 11 13:48:01 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:48:01 GMT Subject: HW: Oh dear god NO!!! In-Reply-To: Andrew Dawson's message of Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:28:21 +0000 Message-ID: Andrew Dawson writes: > At 11:33 11/03/98 GMT, you wrote: > > > >It's great. I got a look at the Silver Machine CD (legend) that I don't have. > > > >A few details to help out: > > > >"Silver Machine" is an extra track on the Spanish LP of X In Search of > >Space. > > > >The extra tracks on the Night of the Hawk CD are also on the Australian > >version of the LP. > > > >There's a different cover of Roadhawks with train tracks and a picture > >of the usual LP cover lying between the tracks. > > > >There's a new Silver Machine compilation CD out in the UK: > > > >1998 Silver Machine CD [Hallmark compilation] > > Hurry On Sundown > > Space Is Deep > > Motorhead > > Magnu > > Angels Of Death > > We Do It > > British Tribal Music > > Ghost Dance > > World Of Tiers > > Urban Guerilla > > Earth Calling > > Silver Machine > > > > > >I'm not sure if there are others you haven't covered. Email me for my > >discography if you like. > > > >Cheers > > > >FoFP > > > Not come across these before. do you have any scans or other info you could > mail me and I > can include them on the site I don't have the other cover of the Roadhawks LP. I'm still looking for it. I do have the Hallmark SM and will look into scanning it. I almost certainly have a number of the ones you don't have pictures of. Xin and Doremi had the same covers in the versions with the extra tracks. I can confirm these because I have them. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 11 13:52:13 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:52:13 GMT Subject: HW: Oh dear god NO!!! In-Reply-To: Andrew Dawson's message of Tue, 10 Mar 1998 20:05:25 +0000 Message-ID: Andrew Dawson writes: > Hi there, > I have been lurking here for a few weeks now so its about time I said > something . > I have a web site (See sig) dedicated to the Hawksters. It is basically a > worldwide discography > of all Hawkwind's album and CD releases giving record labels, catalogue > numbers, release dates > country of origin ets as well as scans of (nearly) all the album sleeves > and variations. A singles > discography will follow as soon as I get more web space. > Take a look and let me know what you think. Further note: Repeat Performance was released in a different cover as "Rock File" in Australia. It had an extra track "The Dream of Isis" as did the cassette version of the album. FoFP From OE3 at AOL.COM Wed Mar 11 14:08:59 1998 From: OE3 at AOL.COM (OE3) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:08:59 EST Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid review Message-ID: In a message dated 98-03-10 21:34:39 EST, you write: << Wow! See You InBlack definetly kicks more ass than anything of BOC the past 15 (?) years.. I was sort of expecting something Club Ninja-ish ;) Hell, they could trick those 15 year olds into buying this! >> you've got to be kidding! do you know any 15 year olds? they're into their own thing, and trust me, it ain't hard rock. take a look at the billboard charts (marilyn manson notwithstanding). with regards to "see you in black", it lacks any of the "enchanting mystery" (for lack of a better term) and loopy lyrics that built the b.o.c. legacy, and it is redundant and derivative to boot! of all the songs on the new record only "harvest moon" and "x-ray eyes" prove durable after repeated listenings. a few others manage to sustain vague interest but songs like "hammer down" and "still burnin'" fall flat their first spin around. the acoustic cover of "in thee" (the original is a fave of mine) is unremarkable and, frankly, pointless. the cover art is abomidable, atrocious, asinine. oh, and very cheesy. no excuses! no "humble opinions"--it "flat out" sucks. overall, on a ten scale, heaven forbid rates a 4 due to the two aforementioned standout tracks and buck dharma's tasty & flavorful noodlings. the guy still produces! (even if he desperately needs to hire some song doctors.) eddie los angeles, calif. From Brizo777 at AOL.COM Wed Mar 11 14:30:37 1998 From: Brizo777 at AOL.COM (Brizo777) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:30:37 EST Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid review Message-ID: Eddie spewedes>>> you've got to be kidding! do you know any 15 year olds? they're into their own thing, and trust me, it ain't hard rock. take a look at the billboard charts (marilyn manson notwithstanding).<<<< Oh like the billbboard charts are the only measure? I totally disagree with this generalization, by the time many kids are 15 they have outgrown this crap and worked through many issues of their idenity and need to be over the edge. Oh ya there are always a few who take it on to their adult life, makes the world an interesting place. I cant address MM 's music and I am glad , but I know many high schoolers who like old classic rock, I in fact think they are kind of lame-o for diggin Steve Miller etc.....I can't help but recalling that I rejected the top 40 crap when I was about 13 and began deciding what I liked, I think you discredit the intelligence of many of todays kids.....you sound like an old fart to me..... I can't argue much with your song reviews, only because I have not heard the whole album. I do disagree with you about the cover art or SYIB......are you serious???? Briz with regards to "see you in black", it lacks any of the "enchanting mystery" (for lack of a better term) and loopy lyrics that built the b.o.c. legacy, and it is redundant and derivative to boot! of all the songs on the new record only "harvest moon" and "x-ray eyes" prove durable after repeated listenings. a few others manage to sustain vague interest but songs like "hammer down" and "still burnin'" fall flat their first spin around. the acoustic cover of "in thee" (the original is a fave of mine) is unremarkable and, frankly, pointless. the cover art is abomidable, atrocious, asinine. oh, and very cheesy. no excuses! no "humble opinions"--it "flat out" sucks. overall, on a ten scale, heaven forbid rates a 4 due to the two aforementioned standout tracks and buck dharma's tasty & flavorful noodlings. the guy still produces! (even if he desperately needs to hire some song doctors.) eddie los angeles, calif. From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Wed Mar 11 09:16:34 1998 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:16:34 GMT Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid review Message-ID: Wow... the album isn't even out yet, and people are already fighting over how good / bad it is !!! I think our mailboxes are gonna explode once the album *is* out ! :-o Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Mar 11 15:45:12 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:45:12 -0500 Subject: BOC: SYIB and CMC Message-ID: >Hmmm... well, I dunno. Honestly, if it weren't BOC, I probably wouldn't buy an album with a cover like that. I mean, I find it more repulsive then anything else... :-( Well, YOU wouldn't buy it. And, if not a BOC fan, *I* wouldn't either. Then again, I don't buy (or not - Metallica's *LOAD* being the notable exception) albums based on cover. But, if the attitude of BOC/CMC is that they might reach a few non-BOC folks because of the cover, then I say this is a good thing. How many BOC fans will NOT buy this CD based on it's cover? I'll bet that number is a lot less than those non-BOC fans who might buy it because of its cover. I think we tend to judge BOC based on our own fan-based standards, and sometimes perhaps are lost on the bigger picture. For what it's worth, Bolle ain't too excited by the cover or the album title.. John PS: All this talk about album covers, reminds me of *This is Spinal Tap*. Like their album *Smell the Glove*, BOC fans claim that "every song on it is a hit" when referring to *Heaven Forbid*. Here's a little dialog from the movie regarding discussions of the cover... Promoter: I heard you boys got an album coming out. David: Yeah, it's called Smell the Glove... it should be out now, yeah...yeah, yeah.... Promoter: Smell the Glove? Extra: It's a provocative title. David: Wait till you see the cover, wait till you see the cover, very provcative indeed. Ian: Bobbi, Bobbi, can I tear you away from all of this? Bobbi: Do you have a drink? Everything ok? Ian: No, I don't, I don't really need one. But, listen, um... I really, I really do have to talk to you a bit about this, uh.... Bobbi: Ian, come on, tell me whatever is on your mind.... Ian: ...this whole issue of the, uh...the issue of the cover. Bobbi: Yeah. Ian: ...uh, we feel, I mean, we feel and it seems to be facts that, uh...the company is rather down on the cover. Is that the case? Bobbi: Yes. Ian: You can give it to me straight, you know. Bobbi: Listen umm... they don't like the cover, they don't like the cover. Ian: Uh huh, well that is certainly straight. Bobbi: They find it very offensive and very sexist. Ian: Well what exactly...do you find offensive, I mean, what's offensive? Bobbi: Ian, you put a greased naked woman... Ian: Yes... Bobbi: ..on all fours... Ian: Yes. Bobbi: ...with a dog collar around her neck... Ian: ...with a dog collar... Bobbi: ...and a leash... Ian: ...and a leash... Bobbi: ...and a man's arm extended out up to here holding on to the leash and pushing a black glove in her face to sniff it. You don't find that offensive, you don't find that sexist? Ian: No I don't, this is 1982, Bobbi, come on. Bobbi: That's right it's 1982 get out of the 60's we don't have this mentality any more. Ian: Well you should have seen the cover they wanted to do. It wasn't a glove believe me. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Mar 11 15:54:52 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:54:52 -0500 Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid review Message-ID: >you've got to be kidding! do you know any 15 year olds? Several. And, I'm also aware to some degree of what many of them are listening to, based on record store sales and radio station playlists. >they're into their own thing, and trust me, it ain't hard rock. take a look at the billboard charts (marilyn manson notwithstanding). Metallica notwithstanding either - and SYIB is very much in a similar vein. Kids these days aren't into "hard rock" as was defined in the 70s and 80s, but what they call "hard rock" in the 90s (or pick whatever other term you want - metal, alternative, etc.) they most certainly are into. >with regards to "see you in black", it lacks any of the "enchanting mystery" (for lack of a better term) and loopy lyrics that built the b.o.c. legacy Yeah, and kids these days don't really seem to be into the "BOC legacy" do they? >it is redundant and derivative to boot! Gee, can't say THAT about any of today's music! ;-) >of all the songs on the new record only "harvest moon" and "x-ray eyes" prove durable after repeated listenings I like these songs, but after listening to some of the others (in particular as of late, SYIB) dozens of times, I think many of the other tracks are "durable" >a few others manage to sustain vague interest but songs like "hammer down" and "still burnin'" fall flat their first spin around Haven't heard "Hammer Back" - but I just LOVE "Still Burnin'" Simple? Perhaps. Catchy? You bet! >the acoustic cover of "in thee" (the original is a fave of mine) is unremarkable and, frankly, pointless Perhaps - haven't heard it. Then again, I would venture to assume it was thrown in more for fans than anything else. >the cover art is abomidable, atrocious, asinine Your opinion. Others may agree with you, and others will disagree. Maybe someday you will design a cover for them? >no excuses! no "humble opinions"--it "flat out" sucks. Based on what *I* know of the album, which appears to be a bit less than you, I would vehemently disagree. Thanks for sharing! John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Mar 11 15:56:36 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:56:36 -0500 Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid review Message-ID: >heaven forbid rates a 4 due to the two aforementioned standout tracks and buck dharma's tasty & flavorful noodlings. the guy still produces! (even if he desperately needs to hire some song doctors.) Geez, a 4 on a 10 scale, despite having Buck's fingerprints all over it. I think this reviewer needs a doctor or two... From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 11 15:08:39 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:08:39 EDT Subject: BOC: SYIB and CMC In-Reply-To: <199803112045.PAA25505@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > >Hmmm... well, I dunno. Honestly, if it weren't BOC, I probably wouldn't buy > an album with a cover like that. I mean, I find it more repulsive then > anything else... :-( > > Well, YOU wouldn't buy it. And, if not a BOC fan, *I* wouldn't either. > Then again, I don't buy (or not - Metallica's *LOAD* being the notable > exception) albums based on cover. But, if the attitude of BOC/CMC is that > they might reach a few non-BOC folks because of the cover, then I say > this is a good thing. How many BOC fans will NOT buy this CD based on > it's cover? I'll bet that number is a lot less than those non-BOC fans > who might buy it because of its cover. Hey John, FWIW, I wasn't real thrilled with ST when it came out, as I really dug Gawlik's stuff. Of course, now, post-Imaginos, I realize what a great cover ST really is. I still don't really dig AoF, though I think the outer cover has a certain stylized appeal. The [ugh] 'Phantom'-like cover of HF will not have one bit of influence against my buying the album! > > I think we tend to judge BOC based on our own fan-based standards, and > sometimes perhaps are lost on the bigger picture. > > For what it's worth, Bolle ain't too excited by the cover or the album > title.. > Hey, what's BG think of the music vis-a-vis the reecently posted review? theo From AgentOF at AOL.COM Wed Mar 11 17:08:25 1998 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Agent OF) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:08:25 EST Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid review Message-ID: I think that many people will soon disagree with everything else you wrote, (Except for the comment on the album art). Like most GREAT albums, I'm SURE it will take a few listens to really appreciate how good the songs really are. And this is especially true since many of us have heard 9 of the songs a lot already. From what I've heard Hammer Back sounds pretty damn good, even after 100 plays, but you may be right on "hammer down!" BTW, I'm pretty sure that the woman in the art work is from a famous horror flick. chuck Miracles DO Happen, Take One The Ricky Browning Benefit Concert Featuring The Buck Dharma Band From jmalcolm at URAEUS.COM Wed Mar 11 19:27:55 1998 From: jmalcolm at URAEUS.COM (Joseph Malcolm) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:27:55 -0500 Subject: off: helstar Message-ID: I have _Nosferatu_, which I quite enjoy. I just noticed Amazon claims to be able to get another Helstar album. Ihis must be a reissue. (They also claim _Nosferatu_ is also again available.) Is this as good as _Nosferatu_? Similiar, same lineup, etc.? Distant Thunder Helstar / Audio CD /Published 1997 Our Price: $12.98 (Special Order) p.s. Yes, I know this is complete and utterly off topic, being about an obscure 80s thrash metal band, but I figure someone on this list listens to them. From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Mar 11 19:50:55 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:50:55 -0500 Subject: HW: Oh dear god NO!!! Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > >easy enuff. all it takes is the will and the budget to handle the >phone > bills. > > I have my serious doubts that this will work elaborate? why? you think i just said that off the cuff? i know what i said is true, because i have done it in the past. the website i was putting up was to be 30 sec. snippets of hw songs. brock was extremely supportive of the idea. the only prob was that i could not get the files small enuff to be worth downloading. if i had had access to some of the realaudio applications, i might have done it. but two 30 sec. files took up all of my ten free megs.rj > Bernhard From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed Mar 11 21:38:28 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 03:38:28 +0100 Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid review Message-ID: > In a message dated 98-03-10 21:34:39 EST, I write: > > << Wow! See You InBlack definetly kicks more ass than anything of BOC the past > 15 (?) years.. I was sort of expecting something Club Ninja-ish ;) Hell, > they could trick those 15 year olds into buying this! >> OE3 writes: > you've got to be kidding! do you know any 15 year olds? Well, I was 15 ten years ago. I have a brother who is 17 and a sister who is 15. they're into their > own thing, and trust me, it ain't hard rock. take a look at the billboard > charts (marilyn manson notwithstanding). When I was 15, as it remains, Billboard was something older people read to keep up with the 30 year olds trying to look 15. I don't think Hawkwind's Xenon Codex was in the Billboard charts in 1988. But how the hell was I supposed to know, I was only 15 at the time. I didn't buy any music papers until I was 18-19 and by that time I knew which papers NOT to waste my money on, though in retrospect I probably did ;) > with regards to "see you in black", it lacks any of the "enchanting mystery" > (for lack of a better term) and loopy lyrics that built the b.o.c. legacy, I too got my coalidge degree cheap... Oh yes, 'em crazy, loopy BOC lyrics! Not to mention dat loopy BOC legacy! Sho'iz crazy dem bighaired leather rock'n'rollers! We may delve deeper into the "enchanting mystery" whenever we run out of better terms than "loopy". >and > it is redundant and derivative to boot! Yeah, all true rock'n'roll is based on 100% originality and up-to-date with-it-etc. correct non-correct-nihilist-rock-n-roll-isms of the day. But you know all this through Billboard. The City Of Angels, where even bands like Guns'n'Roses can be original and good. >of all the songs on the new record > only "harvest moon" and "x-ray eyes" prove durable after repeated listenings. > a few others manage to sustain vague interest but songs like "hammer down" and > "still burnin'" fall flat their first spin around. the acoustic cover of "in > thee" (the original is a fave of mine) is unremarkable and, frankly, > pointless. "In Thee" *nearly* soils my diapers. Remarkably! But so what. > the cover art is abomidable, atrocious, asinine. oh, and very > cheesy. Whomever paired "cheesy" with "rock'n'roll" must have been out of their mind! jeez... like oil and water buddy... different worlds... apples and oranges etc. etc. >no excuses! no "humble opinions"--it "flat out" sucks. Thanks for "warning" us... "dickhead" ! > overall, on > a ten scale, heaven forbid rates a 4 due to the two aforementioned standout > tracks and buck dharma's tasty & flavorful noodlings. the guy still produces! > (even if he desperately needs to hire some song doctors.) > eddie > los angeles, calif. Eddie, baby: have you checked the state of your perm? Christian (north of the border) From des at SUPERLINK.NET Wed Mar 11 23:56:25 1998 From: des at SUPERLINK.NET (E F) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 23:56:25 -0500 Subject: BOC: SYIB and CMC Message-ID: John A Swartz wrote: > > Part of the problem I think is that since we haven't had new BOC artwork > for 10 years (i.e., no new albums), ANYTHING they do is going to seem > atypical. This cover sure is different, but is the macabre imagery really > that far left of what the band did with Spectres or Some Enchanted Evening? > > I like it for one simple reason - it has ATTITUDE - like "See You in Black". > > John > > PS: As Buck said on the AOL chat - HEAVEN FORBID: The eye-popping new CD > from BOC! This is of course my opinion but the album covers from the past never seemed quite as stupid as the new one does (Club Ninja a possible exception). The minimalism of the Mirrors cover atleast had it's own sense style and perhaps even mystery. Secret Treaties certainly conveys menace. BOC and Tyranny have a sci-fi/fantasy other worldly feel. But Heaven Forbid looks cheesey. Graphically there are so many other places to take that title, Heaven Forbid your eye pops out??? Well, OK Heaven forbid that. But where is the style, the menace and the attitude? Where as the covers in the past cerrtainly did vary and John I agree with you, what is a BOC cover? There is no defined standard, but at least the others showed better taste. Also, I forgot to look, can anyone tell if the always present BOC symbol is on this new cover? --Eric PS. Frankly I never liked the lyrics to "See You In Black" but I do like the music. Based on the cover and the chosen single I'm afraid of the new album, but I'll be at the record store first thing on March 24th. I am eagerly awaiting to have a proper recording of "Harvest Moon" though, so hopefully the album won't dissapoint me, but at least I know it will be worth it for that song. From johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM Thu Mar 12 01:06:22 1998 From: johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:06:22 +0100 Subject: HW: Oh dear god NO!!! Message-ID: >Further note: > >Repeat Performance was released in a different cover as "Rock File" in >Australia. It had an extra track "The Dream of Isis" as did the cassette >version of the album. > >FoFP Repeat Performance's Australian incarnation was entitlied "Rock Legends". The UK '80 reissue of the first album was "Rock File". Vinyl is identical in both cases. -joe From Barczinski at CELANESE.DE Thu Mar 12 03:03:13 1998 From: Barczinski at CELANESE.DE (Barczinski, Reiner, WAC) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:03:13 +0100 Subject: Ammon Duul / II ! Message-ID: Mhm, yeah, that's what I call resonance! Fine, thank you, guys! And then there was a 4-CD-box, for which price I could get less than 3 regular CDs, but I've forgotten the name of it, but is looked like a new release? May it be useful to start with this one, too ?? Reiner From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Mar 12 03:32:24 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:32:24 -0000 Subject: Amon Duul / II ! Message-ID: On Thursday, March 12, 1998 8:03 AM, Barczinski, Reiner, WAC [SMTP:Barczinski at CELANESE.DE] wrote: > Mhm, yeah, that's what I call resonance! Fine, thank you, guys! And then > there was a 4-CD-box, for which price I could get less than 3 regular > CDs, but I've forgotten the name of it, but is looked like a new > release? May it be useful to start with this one, too ?? > > Reiner That was the _Drei Jahrzehnte_ set - already deleted, I gather! I didn't get it myself, there seemed to be only one track not otherwise available, althought you never know there might have been different versions. But the packaging was too lousy (and cheap and misspelt) to make this clear... Anyway, if you liked it, you'd still have wanted to get the original albums sooner or later! BTW, it looks as if some of the early-70s albums are beginning to be hard to find again - some of the Repertoire albums are being deleted, so if you see the Repertoire _Carnival in Babylon_ with the extra tracks, just buy it, OK! :) PS One "m" in "Amon"! :) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Barczinski at CELANESE.DE Thu Mar 12 04:04:53 1998 From: Barczinski at CELANESE.DE (Barczinski, Reiner, WAC) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:04:53 +0100 Subject: aMon duul / II ! Message-ID: PS One "m" in "Amon"! :) Of course, I do this mistake over and over again ... damn! But, this way everybody gets knowledge of that I'm an amateur ;) (But at least I've got the missing Umlauts here ;) ) Reiner From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 12 05:59:25 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:59:25 GMT Subject: HW: Oh dear god NO!!! In-Reply-To: Johan Edlundh's message of Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:06:22 +0100 Message-ID: Johan Edlundh writes: > >Further note: > > > >Repeat Performance was released in a different cover as "Rock File" in > >Australia. It had an extra track "The Dream of Isis" as did the cassette > >version of the album. > Repeat Performance's Australian incarnation was entitlied "Rock Legends". > The UK '80 reissue of the first album was "Rock File". Sorry, yes, that's true. > Vinyl is identical in both cases. >From the discography and compiled from my Kollection: 1979 Repeat Performance (Compilation) [US LP called "Rock Legends" with different cover] Kerb Crawler Back on the Streets Quark, Strangeness, and Charm Spirit of the Age Steppenwolf 25 Years Psi Power The Only Ones High Rise Uncle Sams on Mars The Dream of Isis [cassette and "Rock Legends" LP only] I could check later but I'm reasonably sure that there's an extra track. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 12 06:01:12 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:01:12 GMT Subject: Silver Machine CD [Legend] Message-ID: Is it possible that this is a rerelease of "Early Daze"? The tracks match up apart from "Gaga" on Andy Dawson's site. Do you have the CD to check Andy? I'll now offer 2 ordinary CD's in trade for anyone who nails this one for me... FoFP From N.Widdows at BRADFORD.AC.UK Thu Mar 12 07:57:49 1998 From: N.Widdows at BRADFORD.AC.UK (Nick Widdows) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:57:49 +0000 Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: <199803121101.LAA26208@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Enjoy... "Beavis and Butt-head theme song" by Mike Judge 1let ring............. |----------------------------------------------------------------- |---10------8----------8--------10---10--10----8---8---7---------- |------9---------7--7--9---------9----9---9----9---7---7---2----/- |7--------7----7-----------7--7--------------7-----------------/-- |-------------------------------------------------------------3--- |----------------------------------------------------------------- |----------------------------------------------------------------| |----------------------------------------------------------------| |------2--2-------2--2---------/----2--2--------2--2-----------/-| |------2--2-------2--2--------/-----2--2--------2--2----------/--| |---0-----------0--------0---3----0-----------0----------0---3---| |----------------------------------------------------------------| |---------------------------------------/-------------/---| |--------------------5---------------7/-/---7------5/-/---| |--------------------5---------------7/-----7------5/-----| |--------------------5---------------------------------7--| |---------------------------------------------------------| |---------------------------------------------------------| Lyrics: Butt-head: "Huh huh huh uh, uhuhuh huh uh...." Beavis: "Mm huh mm uhuh huh uh..." Now that was cool! ---------------------- Nick Widdows NWiddows at bradford.ac.uk From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 12 08:07:28 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:07:28 GMT Subject: HW: Oh dear god NO!!! In-Reply-To: Andrew Dawson's message of Tue, 10 Mar 1998 20:05:25 +0000 Message-ID: Andrew Dawson writes: > I have been lurking here for a few weeks now so its about time I said > something . > I have a web site (See sig) dedicated to the Hawksters. It is basically a > worldwide discography > of all Hawkwind's album and CD releases giving record labels, catalogue > numbers, release dates > country of origin ets as well as scans of (nearly) all the album sleeves > and variations. A singles > discography will follow as soon as I get more web space. > Take a look and let me know what you think. Comparing it to our discography, you're missing these: BBC Transcription Disc LP BBC Transcription Disc LP - The Brian Matthews Show Bristol Custom Bike Show Doremi Fasol Latido [Japanese LP with extra track: Silver Machine] Glastonbury Fayre (with various artists) Greasy Trucker's Party Hawkwind Zoo 12EP Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 (CND cassette) Hawkwind/Van Der Graaf Generator [Swedish album on Phillips} In Search Of Space [Spanish LP with extra track: Silver Machine] Motorhead / Valium 10 EP Needle Gun (EP) Rock Legends (Australian version of Repeat Performance) Silver Machine (live) 12EP Silver Machine CD [Hallmark compilation] The Early Years Live EP The Earth Ritual Preview (EP) The Night Of The Hawk (Australian LP with extra tracks) US Forces Radio album featuring Hawkwind & Jefferson Starship Zarozinia (EP) If I can find somewhere to scan 'em I can get you the scans... FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 12 09:20:39 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:20:39 GMT Subject: Captured Rotation CD for trade Message-ID: Due to a slight cockup I've ended up with a spare of this Alan Davey CD. Can supply still wrapped for 13 Pounds + postage or will trade. FoFP From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Mar 12 10:10:47 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:10:47 PST Subject: HW: Site Sound Samples Message-ID: >the only prob was that i could not get the files small enuff to be >worth downloading. if i had had access to some of the realaudio >applications, i might >have done it. but two 30 sec. files took up all of my ten free >megs.rj > >> Bernhard > Why not try MP3 files, they're much much smaller and so much better quality than RealAudio. I have two examples on my website, and a player (Winamp). The two songs are full-length (if you download them you'll see the actual timings), and are in 44.1kHz stereo. All this and a website too, on 10mB of space, so if you were only using 30 second snippets, you'd be on a real winner. http://www.d-n-a.net/users/dnetGNQc/cheese/ When it loads up, click the SOUNDS icon from the lefthand frame. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 12 10:23:27 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:23:27 GMT Subject: Alan Davey Message-ID: I'm trying to work out why I ended up with an extra copy. Has there been a Davey album after CR that I should have got instead? FoFP From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Mar 12 10:31:10 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:31:10 -0500 Subject: BOC: SYIB and CMC Message-ID: >The minimalism of the Mirrors cover atleast had it's own sense style and perhaps even mystery. And maybe in 1979 that was reasonable. I can't imagine it on an album cover today. Then again, in the Internet age, maybe a picture of a computer screen and a title of "Terminals" would be a 90s equivalent. The cover of Mirrors never did anything for me - especially when you consider it came on the heels of Some Enchanted Evening, which I think is still the coolest BOC cover of all. >Secret Treaties certainly conveys menace. Oh, and I would think that Heaven Forbid's cover does that as well. >Graphically there are so many other places to take that title, Heaven Forbid your eye pops out??? Well, OK Heaven forbid that. But where is the style, the menace and the attitude? Well, one can argue that the actual album TITLE is not the greatest, and I would agree there. I don't particularly care for the title, but haven't tried to draw a connection between the album title and the album cover artwork (certainly a number of BOC's albums do have such a tie). But, I think the horror imagery aspect DOES convey menace and attitude. >There is no defined standard, but at least the others showed better taste. Might be a reflection of the times -- and if the cover helps to sell the album to the people who are buying lots of CDs these days (I'm thinking of people younger than me in general), then I'm all for it -- the concept of buying an album based on cover artwork was something I personally never got into, but if it affects others, then so be it. >Based on the cover and the chosen single I'm afraid of the new album Heh heh, and FEAR it you should, cuz it will kick yer ass! :-) But, speaking as somewhat of an "old fart", I acknowlege that I have little feel for what sells albums these days (especially since most of what's popular these days I can't identify with), so I'm not going to try and assume that the cover/single choices are bad - I'm thinking it may just be what the culture today will want. A new look for BOC may not help, but at this stage in their careers, I think it can't hurt. >but I'll be at the record store first thing on March 24th My local Newbury Comics opens at 10 - I expect to have Heaven Forbid on my portable CD player blasting through my car speakers at approximately 10:03. :-) >Also, I forgot to look, can anyone tell if the always present BOC symbol is on this new cover? A few theories on this - some think it may be either in the eye, or the lightbulb. Others think that the face itself has sort of the shape of the symbol (think of the nose as the center, the beard on the right side as the lower "sickle" portion -- I realize this is probably a stretch). I saw the blood on your coffeecup, John From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Thu Mar 12 09:36:57 1998 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 16:36:57 +0200 Subject: Alan Davey In-Reply-To: <199803121523.PAA25899@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: >I'm trying to work out why I ended up with an extra copy. Has there been >a Davey album after CR that I should have got instead? Yes, this is the full length Bedoiun CD, which I still have not heard! SCott OBCs- Sperrmull- s/t (Germany 1973) R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 38 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Thu Mar 12 09:52:53 1998 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 16:52:53 +0200 Subject: OFF: Bevis Frond review Message-ID: 345. The BEVIS FROND- Rust, K?benhavn 3/10/98 Well, I showed up at the club at 4:45 to meet the band and they were not there yet (one hour late according to the club). I had arranged with Ade Shaw via the email to get together with the band here. They showed up a little after five and I helped them unload the van (they have two roadies, Ronnie and Matt, on the tour. Matt plays in the UK band the Alchemists. We sat around and they drank beers and then the club provided them with all the beer they wanted and some nice food. I went off to get some food and came back. After the soundcheck, which was extremely funny as nick was joking around a lot and sang a little song to Andy. They did Hole Song No. 2 as the soundcheck song. Sound was excellent. Andy Ward (the drummer) has a bit of a cold so he was pretty miserable and actually passed out for a bit after the soundcheck, while Nick, Ade, Matt and I headed to the dressing room for a chat until the band went on at 10. They had a story about how they almost did not get off the ferry from Germany to denmark and would have been off to sweden which would have really fucked them up for this show, but they did make it off the ferry at the last minute! I went out at 9 to see if Kim, Michael and Stig had arrived to let them know that taping and video was fine with the band. These are some of the nicest guys you could ever meet and boy do they joke around like mad. If they ever get tired of doing a full set of music they could easily do stand up comedy as well! Great blokes! Now to the show... RUST is a great club. Good sound on stage for the band and out front it is not too loud but loud enough and a very even mix. The club holds only about 150 or so and there were about 60 or so people there, enough of a crowd to fill the front part by the stage and make the band feel like there was a crowd there. They opened with a slow jam song that was pretty cool and then went into Hole Song No.2 and Nick let off his first ripping leads to excite the crowd. This is a great new song off North Circular. Hole Song No.1 is off London Stone. Don't know if they ever played that one live though! Wild Jack Hammer followed which is a great song. I love the lead guitar in this one. It was always a great jam when Bari Watts was in the band. (We talked a lot about Bari in the dressing room, a great guitar player and friend of Nick's!). Stars burn out is another song from North Circular and one that features acoustic guitar on the lp, so I was suprised to hear this one. I had tried to figure out which songs they would be doing from the new lp live and I was only correct 1 out of 5! Stone Train Driver is a classic Bevis song with witty lyrics and a good riff. The bass lines that Ade plays are great! He was great all night! Always a great one live. Maybe really gets the crowd up and going as it is fast and loud! Love is another from the new lp, is a great song as well. I am getting a little tired of hearing Lights are changing, He'd be a Diamond and new River Head but I can't deny they are good songs. Red Hair is the only song they played off the last Bevis lp, Son of Walter. Same as last year at Terrastock. I had hoped to hear Barking Point blues! The Wind blew all around me and He Had you are both from North Circular. He had You Mary Lou Lord played last year at the Terrastock in Providence but Nick's version is better I think! Stain on the Sun is one of my all time favourite BF songs. Nick started the beginning a little differently this time and slowly lead into the main portion of the song. Now he switched over to the electric dulcimer for the Arthur Lee song Signed DC (pretty depressing lyrics). This song is just a heavy jammer that just builds into a raging psychedelic guitar (dulcimer) jam! Nick sits in a chair for most of this song but when Matt the roadie removed the chair when Nick wanted to stand up, the cord was wrapped around the leg of the chair was pulled out, so we briefly got to hear Ade solo.... Great version. They encored with a killer instrumental in which Nick played a sitar guitar. This is a new jam song that really builds and last for nearly 10 minutes! Then I was very suprised and honoured but Nick said they had a suprise for Scott Heller and they played Undertaker, which is a song from the old days that I love. This is not listed on the normal set list they are playing on this tour, so that was pretty special. I was very honoured. It was a great show. I had a few words with them afterwards and headed out. They were really tired and needed to catch up on sleep. Here is the set list: Jam Hole Song No.2 Wild Jack Hammer Stars Burn Out Stoned Train Driver Lights are Changing Maybe Love is He'd be a Diamond New River Head Red Hair The Wind blew all around me Well out of it He had You Stain on the Sun Signed DC Encores: Eastern Jam Undertaker (dedicated to me, nice guys.....) 105 minutes Scott ObCs- Free- Ft. Worth, Texas 1973 R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 38 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Thu Mar 12 11:53:32 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:53:32 +0100 Subject: HW: German HAWKFAN meeting 1998 Message-ID: BACK TO THE FUTURE IN 1998 !!!! The space-party in Hamburg is happening again. The German hawkfans are pleased to announce their Hawkfan meeting like 1997 Time: Friday, 12.06.1998 to Saturday, 13.06.1998 Place: Hamburg-Harburg (Moorburger Bogen), on the camping ground of the Heavy-Metal club "Tipsy Apes" By car: Go on the Autobahn A7, take exit HEIMFELD, then follow signs. By train: Hamburg mainstation, take S-Bahn and exit HEIMFELD Bring along tents and sleeping bags No entrance fees, but donations are VERY WELCOME Beverages for sale (small money) CLUB EVENT. NO COMMERCIAL FESTIVAL !!! Line-Up Friday: 18:00h Tranquilizer (D) 20:00h Growing Seeds (D) 22:00h Spacehead (GB) Line-Up Saturday 18:00h Mandragora Light Society (D) 20:00h Darxtar (S) 22:00h Bevis Frond (GB) Perhaps NIK TURNER comes up to jam with Darxtar or Spacehead For more informations get in contact with: Thomas Leonhardt Hafenstrasse 2 25436 Uetersen Germany Tel: Gemany 04122 7489927 Fax: Gemany 04122 7489927 From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Thu Mar 12 12:05:53 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:05:53 -0500 Subject: BOC: SYIB and CMC Message-ID: John said: >Well, one can argue that the actual album TITLE is not the greatest, and >I would agree there. I don't particularly care for the title, but haven't >tried to draw a connection between the album title and the album cover >artwork (certainly a number of BOC's albums do have such a tie). But, >I think the horror imagery aspect DOES convey menace and attitude. I think Heaven Forbid is a fine title for the new album. It's just as tongue-in-cheek as anything else BOC has done in their careers. The menacing poses, shades, stun guitar, the BOC symbol itself, etc. I know I'm guilty of taking my music a bit too seriously at times, but Heaven Forbid struck me as just another fun extension of the BOC brand of rock 'n' roll. I think with the title, the band was just kidding around. "BOC has a new album out? Heaven Forbid!" >But, speaking as somewhat of an "old fart", I acknowlege that I have >little feel for what sells albums these days (especially since most of >what's popular these days I can't identify with), so I'm not going to >try and assume that the cover/single choices are bad - I'm thinking it >may just be what the culture today will want. A new look for BOC >may not help, but at this stage in their careers, I think it can't hurt. I think CMC hires one design firm to do all of their covers. Heaven Forbid definately has a "CMC" look to it. If people don't like it, they probably won't like the new Motorhead cover, or the new Judas Priest cover. It's their opinion. To me, the Heaven Forbid cover has a "Meatloaf-glam- horror-big staged production-over the top-funny" charm to it. Just like the cover of FOUO, SEE, and even T&M. I'm not going to print out a poster of it, but I won't turn the CD case over on my desk so people can't see it either ;) >>but I'll be at the record store first thing on March 24th You know it! >>Also, I forgot to look, can anyone tell if the always present BOC symbol >>is on this new cover? >A few theories on this - some think it may be either in the eye, or the >lightbulb. Others think that the face itself has sort of the shape of >the symbol (think of the nose as the center, the beard on the right side >as the lower "sickle" portion -- I realize this is probably a stretch). I say the symbol is in the face. You can see the hook as a scar under the eye. The cross part of the symbol may be more hidden, but it'll be easier to tell with a full- sized graphic. Brian obCD> Motorhead: "Snake Bite Love" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3550 bytes Desc: not available URL: From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 12 12:32:53 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:32:53 GMT Subject: test Message-ID: testing From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Mar 12 12:37:38 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:37:38 -0600 Subject: BOC: HB, SYIB, getting heated Message-ID: JS>The words you are searching for, my friend, are F***ing COOL! ;-) Alex>Uh... I don't think that's what he had in mind *laughing* And I tend to agree with him... You got that right Alex, it does however rhyme with F*** . 8>) JS>How many BOC fans will NOT buy this CD based on > it's cover? John you actually asked this question? I can't see anyone who knows this band not buying the first new music in ten years becuase of a cheesy cover. I can always turn it inside out if I don't want to see it. JS>I think we tend to judge BOC based on our own fan-based standards, and sometimes perhaps are lost on the bigger picture. This could be problematic when the reviews/comments start flowing. How should we judge this disc? Should it be compared to BOC's distant past (BOC thru Specters)? Is RBN/CN era appropriate? Ten years is a long time and much has changed. I vote thumbs up or down on these songs alone. That seems fair. Now about this recent reveiw that was posted, I'm not going to defend the content or the opinion expressed; I do believe he has a right to state it and the rights of others to disagree. However can we do so with a bit of civility? I wish you hadn't posted it yet Eddie, seems most of us are not fortunate enough to have a copy so we could form our own opinions based on what we hear. Dosen't matter anyway, I can love it or shove it but only AFTER I buy it. Ghost in The Ruins "And so he says to me, he says to me, you got style baby but if your going to be a real villian you gotta get a gimmick. And so I go, I says yeah baby a gimmick that's it. High Explosives." - Evil Midnight Bomber OBCD - Heavy Bones From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Mar 12 13:28:02 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:28:02 -0500 Subject: BOC: HB, SYIB, getting heated Message-ID: JS>How many BOC fans will NOT buy this CD based on > it's cover? >John you actually asked this question? I can't see anyone who knows this band not buying the first new music in ten years becuase of a cheesy cover. I can always turn it inside out if I don't want to see it. EXACTLY my point! No (or extremely few) BOC fan who has waited for the new album is going to NOT buy it. So, that's why I think maybe BOC/CMC are right in targeting a different segment of the population with the cover. We fans are already "in the bag" so to speak. >This could be problematic when the reviews/comments start flowing. How should we judge this disc? Should it be compared to BOC's distant past (BOC thru Specters)? Is RBN/CN era appropriate? Ten years is a long time and much has changed. True. But, we fans really shouldn't expect something that sounds like Secret Treaties, Spectres, or Club Ninja (and some would surely say "Thank God!"). I'd almost want to treat this as a totally different band, which, in many respects, it is. But my old rule still applies - if it makes me tap my foot, band my head, or shake my butt, then it's good. :-) John From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Thu Mar 12 13:28:05 1998 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:28:05 +0000 Subject: BOC: CMC - Understatement dept In-Reply-To: <199803102035.PAA01914@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, John A Swartz wrote: > http://www.cmcinternational.com/boc.html > Check out the webpage for BOC's new album, HEAVEN FORBID, at CMC > International's website. I had a look at this page and it includes the phrase: "they haven't released records as frequently during the 90's" Well, that's one way of putting it... - Mike Godwin From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Thu Mar 12 07:52:39 1998 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:52:39 GMT Subject: BOC: HB, SYIB, getting heated Message-ID: >>John you actually asked this question? I can't see anyone who knows this >band not buying the first new music in ten years becuase of a cheesy >cover. I can always turn it inside out if I don't want to see it. > >EXACTLY my point! No (or extremely few) BOC fan who has waited for >the new album is going to NOT buy it. So, that's why I think maybe >BOC/CMC are right in targeting a different segment of the population >with the cover. We fans are already "in the bag" so to speak. OTOH... I can't help but think back to when I first discovered BOC and when I bought "Imaginos". I didn't know anything about the band's history back then - well, actually, I did, cause I discovered them through a radio document... but it was very vague in my mind when I bought the album and, for one thing, I certainly wasn't aware of all this BOC / not-BOC talk about "Imaginos". I just bought the damn thing and was oh-so-happy I did. And still am. So what is my point ? Well, some BOC fans may not know the band well enough to buy the album eyes closed. OK, granted, there probably aren't that many of these kind of fans, but still... Besides, I think there a better-looking, better thought out cover could have been a better seller than this cover and touch a much bigger public. Just my thoughts, of course, but well... I don't buy albums on covers either, but it can happen that I refuse to buy one because of a cover... But yeah, that never happens when it's a band I know really well. But y'know, I'm the kinda guy who likes to buy things without knowing much of a band - I like to discover new things - and an attractive cover with a cool band name and a nice album title can certainly do it for me (it happened with a Klaatu compilation album I bought a few years back - I'd never heard of the band, but I couldn't go wrong with a name like that, or with the SF inspired song titles included, or that cover which I found great, etc, etc). I tend to like covers like the ones Yes & Asia use more than your usual heavy-metal symbolism, or whatever... Sure, it's only this guy's position, but I tend to believe (and maybe I'm wrong) that *most* people like artistic covers rather than ones that make you wanna throw up *shrug* >I'd almost want to treat this as a totally different band, which, in >many respects, it is. > >But my old rule still applies - if it makes me tap my foot, band my >head, or shake my butt, then it's good. :-) Well, at least we agree on this *grin* Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Mar 12 14:02:53 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 19:02:53 GMT Subject: BOC: CMC - Understatement dept In-Reply-To: M R Godwin's message of Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:28:05 +0000 Message-ID: M R Godwin writes: > Well, that's one way of putting it... > > - Mike Godwin Not THE Mike Godwin of "Godwin's Law" fame? Mike "We're not worthy, we're not worthy..." Holmes From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Mar 12 15:25:40 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:25:40 -0000 Subject: BOC: HB, SYIB, getting heated Message-ID: What's all this whingeing about the cover? Who's seen anything more than the postage-stamp sized thing on the CMC site? You can't judge it from that, can you? (Except I'll just point out that brown was *last* year's black :) And I bet some of the moaners have got the first two Anthrax LPs in their collection! :) I listened to SYIB on the hardradio site. It's basically a riff. Quite a decent riff though, so that's OK. And for better or worse, voice troubles or no voice troubles, Bloom still sounds like Bloom. -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Mar 12 15:10:05 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:10:05 +0000 Subject: BOC: HB, SYIB, getting heated In-Reply-To: <199803121828.NAA12825@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > But my old rule still applies - if it makes me tap my foot, band my > head, or shake my butt, then it's good. :-) As long as it doesn't make you bang your foot, tap your butt and shake your head.... :-/ Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner HCI Design Centre That I love Luton town" School of Informatics (John Hegley) City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Mar 12 16:13:26 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 16:13:26 -0500 Subject: BOC: HB, SYIB, getting heated Message-ID: >I listened to SYIB on the hardradio site. It's basically a riff. Quite a decent riff though, so that's OK. Yeah, "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" and "Godzilla" are basically great riffs too. Along with the Metallica-esque riff though, I quite like the non-standard- time-signature part which starts the song, precedes the guitar solo, and ends the song (bum-ba-BUM-ba-BUM-ba-bum-BUM - repeat). And some of Buck's licks on the song are killer. >And for better or worse, voice troubles or no voice troubles, Bloom still sounds like Bloom. Yep, and there are no voice troubles evident on this track that I can detect. And, this song is being done live again these days, so hopefully live Bloom sounds again like Bloom too. I'll be at the Baltic CT gig on Saturday, so I'll find out for myself soon enough. :-) John From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Mar 12 17:25:55 1998 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Stewartbas) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:25:55 EST Subject: Doug Smith Message-ID: Does anyone know if Doug Smith is still managing HW? It seems he has put EBS up for sale and is referring all enquireies concerning HW tour dates back to the band. regards, Bill Stewart From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Thu Mar 12 13:00:24 1998 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:00:24 GMT Subject: BOC: HB, SYIB, getting heated Message-ID: >What's all this whingeing about the cover? Who's seen anything more than >the postage-stamp sized thing on the CMC site? You can't judge it from >that, can you? (Except I'll just point out that brown was *last* year's >black :) And I bet some of the moaners have got the first two Anthrax LPs >in their collection! :) Nope. Certainly not. I'm not into heavy metal. The only kinda hard rock I like is the kind that was made back in the 60's and 70's... bands like Led Zep, Deep Purple or... you guessed it, BOC *smile* The original bands, y'know, the "creators" of the genre, so to speak. Then, hard rock evolved into stuff I can barely listen to, so that's that for me. Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Thu Mar 12 19:05:33 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 19:05:33 -0500 Subject: OFF: Bevis Frond review Message-ID: Scott Heller wrote: man this is pretty much the same set he played over here a couple months ago. and that was just ade and nick at low volume. said they'd be back with a full band and electric. if this is going to be the same set again, i will be very disappointed. =( i want some wild stuff!!!!! rj > Here is the set list: > > Jam > Hole Song No.2 > Wild Jack Hammer > Stars Burn Out > Stoned Train Driver > Lights are Changing > Maybe > Love is > He'd be a Diamond > New River Head > Red Hair > The Wind blew all around me > Well out of it > He had You > Stain on the Sun > Signed DC > > Encores: > Eastern Jam > Undertaker (dedicated to me, nice guys.....) > > 105 minutes > > Scott > > ObCs- Free- Ft. Worth, Texas 1973 > > R. Scott Heller PhD > Hagedorn Research Institute > Niels Steensensvej 6 > DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark > (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 38 Phone > (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax > shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk > Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From OE3 at AOL.COM Thu Mar 12 21:11:46 1998 From: OE3 at AOL.COM (OE3) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 21:11:46 EST Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid review Message-ID: to my new Canuck friend Christian: what's up with the barbed personal comments? the primary purpose of my post was to critique the new b.o.c. album. your rebuttal did not even remotely address heaven forbid. instead, you chose to take issue with my age, the city of los angeles, my hairstyle, and my adjective choices. okay, whatever. the fact is i have heard the album and i do not think it is the second coming--it's mediocre. (after fifteen or so listens in full; plenty of time to digest for me) when you get the new album you can share your thoughts, too. that's what this forum is designed for, not cheap personal attacks. now, i understand old man winter is raging in the great white north, but that does not excuse your bitterness toward l.a. come on, there is no trace of the '80s sunset strip scene here anymore (the musicians have moved to the more profitable tribute band genre) and there hasn't been since i moved here a few years back. by the way, i'm 25--hardly a has-been fart--and have never worn a perm. (nice try!) my sole purpose in bringing up the billboard charts was to illustrate the fact that rock music sales have been flat for three years now and show no immediate sign of being resucitated. but hey, the ozzfest was the second-highest grossing tour of last year so there is hope that some new act will break big soon. as far as originality in rock music, b.o.c. was one of the true originals, and, as with most of the great bands of the era, no one sounded like them. "see you in black" may have a deep groove and may be among their heaviest sounds in some time, but it doesn't conjure the fascination, lyrically and musically, that most of their great songs do. and for me, that thought holds for most of the new album. i hope heaven forbid gains the cult some new fans and that everyone on the list has a chance to hear it. i wouldn't be on the list if i weren't already a big fan. it seems to me that, my review being the among the first, some of you don't want to read any negative opinions about the first new b.o.c. in ten years. oh well... eddie los angeles, calif. From Brizo777 at AOL.COM Thu Mar 12 21:27:42 1998 From: Brizo777 at AOL.COM (Brizo777) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 21:27:42 EST Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid review Message-ID: Eddie, Why did you receive an advance copy? I don't know what your line of work is, but if you received HF due to a professional connection, how ethical was it for you to review the album here, in regular folk's BOC fan land??? Why were you in such an all fire hurry to post your negative review and opinions regarding HF, when you know damn well, most of us, can't debate fairly.....? I called you an old fart because of your comments about today's youth....:-) Briz From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu Mar 12 22:58:28 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 04:58:28 +0100 Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid review Message-ID: I suppose this one goes out to.... Eddie: I was slightly irked, couldn't help the dumb personal attacks... sorry there. I had just observed Fu Manchu and Spiritual Beggars at earsplitting brainquaking volumes and your review of HF kind of brought me down. I thought your "review" was somewhat premature and a very dismissingly negative that seemed to sprout from my single 30 second enthusiastic .wav exposure to SYIB and subsequent cheerful and naive post here. And hey, we may be the same age, but your review looked like it was written by a "grumpy old rocker" who just can't/won't relate to where the kids "are at" these days ;) I thought perhaps you thought it significant to include that you lived in LA or something and not that it was just your sig. Hence the bit about perms/subliminal AbFab reference and G'n'R, whatever. Maybe it was all just a reflection in a black mirror... Christian PS: Norway, Newfoundland, whatever - same stuff! ;) From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Thu Mar 12 17:20:47 1998 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 22:20:47 GMT Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid review Message-ID: >what's up with the barbed personal comments? the primary purpose of my post >was to critique the new b.o.c. album. your rebuttal did not even remotely >address heaven forbid. instead, you chose to take issue with my age, the city >of los angeles, my hairstyle, and my adjective choices. okay, whatever. the >fact is i have heard the album and i do not think it is the second >coming--it's mediocre. (after fifteen or so listens in full; plenty of time to >digest for me) when you get the new album you can share your thoughts, too. >that's what this forum is designed for, not cheap personal attacks. >now, i understand old man winter is raging in the great white north, but that >does not excuse your bitterness toward l.a. come on, there is no trace of the >'80s sunset strip scene here anymore (the musicians have moved to the more >profitable tribute band genre) and there hasn't been since i moved here a few >years back. by the way, i'm 25--hardly a has-been fart--and have never worn a >perm. (nice try!) Well, look here, I think what pissed off most people who reacted to your review (and probably many who haven't) is that you just simply said all that stuff with a lot of pretentiousness, as if your *opinion* was the only one with any value, as if you were God almighty or something. The "no "humble opinions"--it "flat out" sucks." bit was the hardest to swallow. Give everyone credit enough to judge by themselves of the value of the new album. If *you* don't like it, fine, that's *your opinion* but don't state it as a universal law or whatever. You're entitled to your opinions, as everyone else is. Give us breathing space, y'know ? And that's probably where that "fart" remark came from... the guy who thinks he's God almighty... give us a break, man. >"see you in black" may have a deep groove and may be among their heaviest >sounds in some time, but it doesn't conjure the fascination, lyrically and >musically, that most of their great songs do. and for me, that thought holds >for most of the new album. Well, there ya go... see ? it wasn't that hard, was it ? You just tossed in that "for me" in there, and that's all you needed to do. Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From dawa at INTCON.NET Fri Mar 13 00:21:05 1998 From: dawa at INTCON.NET (Dawa) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 23:21:05 -0600 Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid Message-ID: You know whether or not Heaven Forbid "flat out sucks", or whether it's mediocre or whether its just a good solid rock album, I think we should all cut BOC a little slack and not expect so much. It has been over 10 years since the last "real" studio album of original material, and I'm sure the expectations of a lot of BOC fans must weigh on them. I for one would like to see a nice album, I'm not expecting a masterpiece by any means. What I really hope for is for BOC to just keep at it no matter what the album does and I know with the talent that has been shown to us time and time again that the music will be even better beyond March 24th :) One more thing on my wishlist would be to see BOC come to Oklahoma though.... sigh Just my 2 cents. Dawa From Imagine911 at AOL.COM Fri Mar 13 00:49:18 1998 From: Imagine911 at AOL.COM (Imagine911) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 00:49:18 EST Subject: BOC: HB, SYIB, getting heated Message-ID: Pearl Jam had a huge selling album with a cover of a blurry, grainy, b&w, 3-legged dog. People bought it for the music. If the music doesn't get airplay it won't sell. If it does it will. I think it's as simple as that.....David From johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM Fri Mar 13 00:51:59 1998 From: johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 06:51:59 +0100 Subject: HW: Oh dear god NO!!! Message-ID: >> Repeat Performance's Australian incarnation was entitlied "Rock Legends". >> The UK '80 reissue of the first album was "Rock File". > >Sorry, yes, that's true. > >> Vinyl is identical in both cases. > >>>From the discography and compiled from my Kollection: > >1979 Repeat Performance (Compilation) > [US LP called "Rock Legends" with different cover] > Kerb Crawler > Back on the Streets > Quark, Strangeness, and Charm > Spirit of the Age > Steppenwolf > 25 Years > Psi Power > The Only Ones > High Rise > Uncle Sams on Mars > The Dream of Isis [cassette and "Rock Legends" LP only] > >I could check later but I'm reasonably sure that there's an extra track. Uncle Sam's my "Rock Legends" last track. If you're has a Dream of Isis, we have an item variation. This was 1980, and the Kollektor Nightmare (sleeve variations, vinyl variations, compilation variations, the Anthology variations) begun first at 1985, so I believe this is just an "entry error" >FoFP -joe From mlooney at IONET.NET Fri Mar 13 00:59:30 1998 From: mlooney at IONET.NET (J. Michael Looney) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 23:59:30 -0600 Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid Message-ID: At 11:21 PM 3/12/98 -0600, you wrote: >You know whether or not Heaven Forbid "flat out sucks", or whether it's mediocre or whether its just a good solid rock album, I think we should all cut BOC a little slack and not expect so much. It has been over 10 years since the last "real" studio album of original material, and I'm sure the expectations of a lot of BOC fans must weigh on them. > >I for one would like to see a nice album, I'm not expecting a masterpiece by any means. What I really hope for is for BOC to just keep at it no matter what the album does and I know with the talent that has been shown to us time and time again that the music will be even better beyond March 24th :) > >One more thing on my wishlist would be to see BOC come to Oklahoma though.... sigh Ditto on that. I called "Starship Records" here in Tulsa about HF, and they didn't have it listed as something they could order yet, but one of the guys running it is a BOC fan (carries tBS because of the BOC conection, tries to keep as much of the BOC disc list in stock as possible, etc) so there is a REAL good chance they will have is ASAP. -- Geek code: GAT -d---(----) H+ s:-- g+(?) p0? au a w+++ v-(++)*? C++++$ U?++++ P+ L 3 N+++ K W+++ m-- v-- -po+ Y+ t++ 5 j R+++ G' !tv(--) b+++ D++ B--- e+ u--(+)(**) h f+(?) r+++ n++ y+++(**) http://www.ionet.net/~mlooney/index.shtml From des at SUPERLINK.NET Fri Mar 13 01:24:34 1998 From: des at SUPERLINK.NET (E F) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 01:24:34 -0500 Subject: BOC: HB, SYIB, getting heated Message-ID: Imagine911 wrote: > > Pearl Jam had a huge selling album with a cover of a blurry, grainy, b&w, > 3-legged dog. People bought it for the music. If the music doesn't get > airplay it won't sell. If it does it will. I think it's as simple as > that.....David Actually I beleive it was Alice In Chains that had that cover and the album didn't sell that well. --Eric From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Fri Mar 13 08:42:11 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:42:11 -0500 Subject: Heaven Forbid Message-ID: Dawa said: >You know whether or not Heaven Forbid "flat out sucks", or whether it's mediocre or whether its just a >good solid rock album, I think we should all cut BOC a little slack and not expect so much. It has >been over 10 years since the last "real" studio album of original material, and I'm sure the expectations >of a lot of BOC fans must weigh on them. Agreed. I wonder if this kind of stuff goes on at the Boston mailing list every time a new album comes out ;) Brian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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How's it going? cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Mar 13 09:30:53 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:30:53 -0600 Subject: BOC: HB Cover and stuff Message-ID: >This could be problematic when the reviews/comments start flowing. How should we judge this disc? Should it be compared to BOC's distant past (BOC thru Specters)? Is RBN/CN era appropriate? Ten years is a long time and much has changed. JS>True. But, we fans really shouldn't expect something that sounds like Secret Treaties, Spectres, or Club Ninja (and some would surely say "Thank God!"). I'd almost want to treat this as a totally different band, which, in many respects, it is. But my old rule still applies - if it makes me tap my foot, band my head, or shake my butt, then it's good. :-) Yeah sounds good to me. Thats how I plan to look at it. I'm not going to compare SYIB to Lips in The Hills, don't think thats quite fair. This cd will rock me or get tossed in the "oh well I got it but it dosen't get much time in the old changer." One thing I am certain of is that if, in my mind, I compare it to BOC past styles and flava and find no commonality, it will color my opinion the wrong way. Finally, I would agree with you John that this is basically a new band. The original rhythm section is gone, therefore the "style" can never be quite the same. Danny and Bobby are there own men and these songs should reflect their signatures. Man the 24th cannot come soon enough. >What's all this whingeing about the cover? Who's seen anything more than the postage-stamp sized thing on the CMC site? You can't judge it from that, can you? (Except I'll just point out that brown was *last* year's black :) And I bet some of the moaners have got the first two Anthrax LPs in their collection! :) HOWLS! Why not fella? Perhaps it will look different or better in the jewel case and maybe there are some real subtle things that make it a brilliant piece of work upon close examination. Time and the cd will tell. I still don't like what little I can see of it; that is mostly a function of the "style of the artwork". I feel this cover bears no resemblance to the group and their music. I hope it dosen't give the casual fan "the wrong impression of BOC." They aren't Iron Maiden or Saxon (no offense to those guys) and they cetainly ain't Anthrax (gag!). No this is a band with a history good signature riffs, that has expanded plain old hard rock to more intelligent levels with daring subject matter. Don't think this cover conveys that personality is all. JS>I'll be at the Baltic CT gig on Saturday, so I'll find out for myself soon enough. :-) How about a little effort above and beyond the normal course of duties; can you e-mail me the setlist at say 7 am Sunday morning? No? Just thought I'd ask. Actually I can't wait to see what the setlist is, hopefully 4-5 of these songs are now included. If they want it to sell they will have to play it. >You know whether or not Heaven Forbid "flat out sucks", or whether it's mediocre or whether its just a good solid rock album, I think we should all cut BOC a little slack and not expect so much. It has been over 10 years since the last "real" studio album of original material, and I'm sure the expectations of a lot of BOC fans must weigh on them. Hopefully most of us will. I certainly plan to do so. >Ditto on that. I called "Starship Records" here in Tulsa about HF, and they didn't have it listed as something they could order yet, but one of the guys running it is a BOC fan (carries tBS because of the BOC conection, tries to keep as much of the BOC disc list in stock as possible, etc) so there is a REAL good chance they will have is ASAP. You may want to try you local Best Buy. In my area they always seem to have plenty of copies of CMC artists, and more importantly they put it out on the shelves in a timely fashion. Ghost in the Ruins "What's the difference between a bad golfer and a bad skydiver? Bad Golfer: Whack! ... "Shit!" Bad Skydiver: "Shit!" ... Whack!" From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Mar 13 09:51:08 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:51:08 -0000 Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid they release it in Europe Message-ID: I see that CDZone are listing HF as a Canadian import, available from April 10, price ?14.05 - so it doesn't look like a European release is imminent. Then again, CD Now have it from March 24 for only $11.99, so it'd be cheaper and quicker to order it from them! (Which is what I just did.) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Mar 13 10:09:30 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:09:30 -0600 Subject: BOC: HB Reveiw Message-ID: >what's up with the barbed personal comments? the primary purpose of my post was to critique the new b.o.c. album. >it seems to me that, my review being the among the first, some of you don't want to read any negative opinions about the first new b.o.c. in ten years. oh well... eddie I speak solely for myself on this Eddie and I do so by relating a similar story. I am on the King's X mailing list, (shamless plug: great forum for a great band). A member of that list got his hands on a cassette of the early recording sessions, each song included. Based on that cassette he was very dissapointed by what he heard. Now this guy wanted to post a review of the album. Moderator would not allow it. Banned the post, period. Mr. Moderator stated firmly that the post would not be allowed until the album was released. At which time he would include the post. His reasons were very simple, it was unfair to the rest of the subscribers who did not have the same opportunity to hear this advanced copy and judge for themselves. Once everyone had access to the cd we were free to bash or praise at leisure, no rules. If this mostly negative opinion hit the list before everyone had the cd then there was likely to be heavy traffic and many upset subscribers. In the best interest of the list he would not allow this to happen. I think a lot of the reaction you may have received on your post stems from the fact you have it and others, who would like to judge it on their own, do not. Alex>Well, look here, I think what pissed off most people who reacted to your review (and probably many who haven't) is that you just simply said all that stuff with a lot of pretentiousness, as if your *opinion* was the only one with any value, as if you were God almighty or something. The "no "humble opinions"--it "flat out" sucks." bit was the hardest to swallow. I also agree here, the tone you laid down didn't help either. One other thing Eddie, I notice you have an AOL address, are you a part of that BOC forum? Was this same review posted there? How did the AOL folks react to what you wrote, assuming its the exact same review that was posted here? Mind answering these questions. Respectfully Yours, Ghost in The Ruins "What's the difference between a bad golfer and a bad skydiver? Bad Golfer: Whack! ... "Shit!" Bad Skydiver: "Shit!" ... Whack!" From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Mar 13 10:43:20 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:43:20 -0500 Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid Message-ID: A few comments regarding the album that I found interesting... > some of you don't want to read any negative opinions about the first new b.o.c. in ten years. oh well... Well, I suppose I'm guilty of this one. Despite the fact that we on BOC-L have gotten something of a reputation for being critical (and yes this means at times negative, I suppose) of BOC (a distinction which we do take some pride in - we're no all-adoring, whatever-you-say, you-can- shit-and-we'll-call-it-beautiful fans here!), I do believe that there is a real sense of wanting this album to succeed. The wait has been long, and one of the over-riding issues that many of us have had here (if you want to call us "negative") is our dissatisfaction for the band's ability to release this album - this album was suppossed to come out at least 4 years ago, and many of us have expressed our frustrations with all the delays - to the point where most of us took a "I'll believe it when I hold the disc in my hands" attitude toward any announcements about a new album (there's probably a few who still believe that CMC may recall the album before its released - no, I'm not trying to start any rumours here!). And here we are - on the threshold of finally seeing all of those frustrations come to an end... and yeah, I guess I have to admit I want to believe that the only negativity should be a response of "It's about time!". I suspect though, that when more of us have actually heard the whole disc, as Eddie apparently has (I say apparently not because I don't believe him, but since the album is not out yet, and I don't know why he has gotten a copy, and don't know who he is, I'm making the assumption that he has in fact heard it), then we will all be able to better engage in debate over the relative merits (or lack, as the case may or may not be) of the songs. >You know whether or not Heaven Forbid "flat out sucks", or whether it's mediocre or whether its just a good solid rock album, I think we should all cut BOC a little slack and not expect so much. It has been over 10 years since the last "real" studio album of original material, and I'm sure the expectations of a lot of BOC fans must weigh on them. A few thoughts here. As for "cutting BOC some slack and not expect too much", I guess this is true - but I would say we've all come somewhat conditioned to not expecting too much these days from BOC. I think BOC is what it is, and in these times its a group of talented musicians slugging their way through the clubs across the country trying to earn a living on their music - much of it was once heard by thousands at a time, now only heard by hundreds at a time. We almost all would admit that the loss of the Bouchard brothers had a big effect on the band's overall volume of creative output, but most would contend that the band still has talent for writing great material, although presumably not in the same quantities as before (that's not meant as a knock - it isn't everyone who can show up to the recording sessions with an album's worth of demos, as Albert used to - but is clear from the album credits over the years that Eric, Allen, and Buck all contributed to some of the songs we all know and love). I think it is somewhat fair to expect that the songs on Heaven Forbid will be of pretty high quality - the band has certainly had plenty of time to craft these tunes, and we know that their ability to deliver them performance-wise is top-notch. The real question may be given the gap since the previous BOC release, do we fans have some expectation as to what the songs would/could/should sound like? Realize that it's been over 20 years since BOC's 2 biggest hits (Reaper, Godzilla) were written - Buck (who wrote both those tunes) has certainly changed as a person, musician, and songwriter in 20 years. We as fans who have listened to many things in those 20 years have also changed as listeners of music. What might we all have thought if we had heard "See You in Black" 20 years ago? Would we like it? How about "Harvest Moon"? These are just somewhat random thoughts I'm having right now, and aren't intended to be argumentative of previous posts. Final thought concerning fans expectations weighing on BOC. I think that this is a much more minor effect. My guess is that if the band was more concerned about that, they would have released the album, somehow, someway, years ago. But, and I don't fault them for it, this is much more of a business issue. Also, I think the band gets quite a bit of very positive feedback both at their shows and on AOL that would outweigh any criticism they might hear from people who have much-less-direct contact with them. John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Mar 13 10:24:02 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:24:02 EDT Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid In-Reply-To: <199803131543.KAA03059@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: >> From: John A Swartz Danm! John, this is the most long-winded I've ever seen ya! Do it more often, dude! > A few comments regarding the album that I found interesting... > > > some of > you don't want to read any negative opinions about the first new b.o.c. in ten > years. oh well... > > Well, I suppose I'm guilty of this one. Despite the fact that we on > BOC-L have gotten something of a reputation for being critical (and yes > this means at times negative, I suppose) of BOC (a distinction which we > do take some pride in - we're no all-adoring, whatever-you-say, you-can- > shit-and-we'll-call-it-beautiful fans here!), I do believe that there > is a real sense of wanting this album to succeed. The wait has been Absolutely! I've often criticised EB's voice in the past, but only because I'm truly concerned over it. I never wished the guy anything but the best. But then we're seen as critical...I expressed a bit of displeasure over the HF cover, but only 'cause I have such a pathological hatred for Phantom [if you lived in upstate NY or anywhere near Toronto, I'm sure you can relate. Brian?] Apart from that, I don't think it's half bad. Again, we're being too critical... > > A few thoughts here. As for "cutting BOC some slack and not expect too > much", I guess this is true - but I would say we've all come somewhat > conditioned to not expecting too much these days from BOC. I think BOC Yet, ironically, BD is at an all-time peak playing-wise. It is a maddening phenomenon. Wait til you hear BD this week, John. Better put some padding on the bottom of your jaw, 'cause it's going to hit the floor a few times... > is what it is, and in these times its a group of talented musicians > slugging their way through the clubs across the country trying to earn > a living on their music - much of it was once heard by thousands at > a time, now only heard by hundreds at a time. We almost all would admit > that the loss of the Bouchard brothers had a big effect on the band's > overall volume of creative output, but most would contend that the band > still has talent for writing great material, although presumably not > in the same quantities as before (that's not meant as a knock - it isn't > everyone who can show up to the recording sessions with an album's > worth of demos, as Albert used to - but is clear from the album credits > over the years that Eric, Allen, and Buck all contributed to some of the Don' t overlook the impact of losing SP and Meltzer on BOC's creativity. Those are huge losses, almost as catastrophic as losing the Bouchard brothers... > songs we all know and love). I think it is somewhat fair to expect that > the songs on Heaven Forbid will be of pretty high quality - the band has > certainly had plenty of time to craft these tunes, and we know that their > ability to deliver them performance-wise is top-notch. The real question > may be given the gap since the previous BOC release, do we fans have some > expectation as to what the songs would/could/should sound like? Realize > that it's been over 20 years since BOC's 2 biggest hits (Reaper, Godzilla) > were written - Buck (who wrote both those tunes) has certainly changed as > a person, musician, and songwriter in 20 years. We as fans who have Hell yeah! He's way better live than he ever was. In the studio, BD has always been a master craftsman. We'll soon know what he's accomplished in the studio with this one... > listened to many things in those 20 years have also changed as listeners > of music. What might we all have thought if we had heard "See You in > Black" 20 years ago? Would we like it? How about "Harvest Moon"? These > are just somewhat random thoughts I'm having right now, and aren't intended > to be argumentative of previous posts. > I remember being a bit put off by AoF when it came out. What's all this mellow shit? A month later, I couldn't get it off the Archaeologists take note... > Final thought concerning fans expectations weighing on BOC. I think that > this is a much more minor effect. My guess is that if the band was more > concerned about that, they would have released the album, somehow, someway, > years ago. But, and I don't fault them for it, this is much more of a > business issue. Also, I think the band gets quite a bit of very positive I think it's a complex issue. I think BOC was reluctant to put out sub-par product. Unless they were getting a proper budget to do things right, they were willing to do nothing. Seems like the Atlantic deal would've been a good opportunity, but something blew the deal. I don't really blame them for not wanting to put out a half-asses, low-budget production. Might hurt the band in the long run. I do know that other CMC productions are high quality. Hope it works out for BOC... > feedback both at their shows and on AOL that would outweigh any criticism > they might hear from people who have much-less-direct contact with them. > > John I just hope they have the courage to play lots of HF live, and give us a chance to show them directly what we think... theo From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Fri Mar 13 11:58:01 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:58:01 -0500 Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid Message-ID: Theo: >I expressed a bit of >displeasure over the HF cover, but only 'cause I have such a >pathological hatred for Phantom [if you lived in upstate NY or >anywhere near Toronto, I'm sure you can relate. Brian?] "Buy Phantom By Phone"...Arrrrrrgggg I don't hate Phantom, just the commercials and the music- after being bombarded with it in the early 90s, playing a medley in my high school concert band, and hearing my sister constantly practice it on the piano. But I don't mind the Heaven Forbid cover. Like I said before, it has a certain "Meatloaf" kitch charm to it. We'll have to wait and see what it's like at full size. Brian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2324 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Mar 13 04:51:27 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:51:27 +0000 Subject: Doug Smith In-Reply-To: <4d7a285f.350860ff@aol.com> Message-ID: In article <4d7a285f.350860ff at aol.com>, Stewartbas writes >Does anyone know if Doug Smith is still managing HW? It seems he has put EBS >up for sale and is referring all enquireies concerning HW tour dates back to >the band. > >regards, >Bill Stewart How much is he asking for EBS. Share deal anyone? -- Jon From walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET Fri Mar 13 12:24:22 1998 From: walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET (Walrus) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:24:22 -0500 Subject: HW: On the edge of time Message-ID: Well I finally tracked down a place that has WotEoT on CD! Yay! Amyway, I've been listening to my scratchy vinyl tape copy, and methinks that WotEoT was when hw really started to change musically. Compare Mountain Grill and Doremi to it, those are a bit heavier and speedier than warrior. Anyway, is that Moorcock on Wizard Blew His Horn and the other talking (what else would you call them?) tracks? wal ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______ " The gentle madness Walrus _______\_ has touched my hand walrus at neuron.net /__\O/__/= Now I'm just a _|\ .^. Cosmic Man ... " .. spacing out | \_/ by spacing in .. From walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET Fri Mar 13 12:26:47 1998 From: walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET (Walrus) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:26:47 -0500 Subject: Amon Duul / II ! In-Reply-To: <01BD4D91.89D6E300.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Speaking of which I just discovered that I have an AD cd with bob calvert on it.. dies losung i think.. I didn't like it much but I havent heard it in several years now.. wal's 2c ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______ " The gentle madness Walrus _______\_ has touched my hand walrus at neuron.net /__\O/__/= Now I'm just a _|\ .^. Cosmic Man ... " .. spacing out | \_/ by spacing in .. From mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM Fri Mar 13 12:32:49 1998 From: mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM (Matthew Braun) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:32:49 CST Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 13 Mar 1998 05:00:35 CST." <199803131000.FAA12362@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Dawa writes: >You know whether or not Heaven Forbid "flat out sucks", or whether it's >mediocre or whether its just a good solid rock album, I think we should >all cut BOC a little slack and not expect so much. I couldn't disagree more. If expectations aren't allowed to be raised after 10 years of waiting, when are they? If the band was touring relentlessly, since their last album of a year ago, and had no time to write or develop anything, but by contract had to put an album out--that'd be one thing. But they've only put two (so-so) new tracks out in 10 years. They've been playing some of the HF songs in concert since 1991. (The tracks were written closer in time to Imaginos than to HF.) And they were pretty good then. If they haven't gotten them "right" by now, it just ain't gonna happen. If they CAN'T come out with something decent after all this time, I must admit I would doubt their ability to do so in the future. This doesn't mean I'm going to go sell all my BOC stuff, or anything. That MoFi "Agents of Fortune" is worth its weight in gold...and then some. :-) >I for one would like to see a nice album, I'm not expecting a masterpiece >by any means. Quite frankly, neither am I. Given the number of record deals which have fallen through, and the quality of "Bad Channels", I'd say that the bar has been lowered sufficiently that almost anything will be accepted by the fans. >What I really hope for is for BOC to just keep at it no matter what the >album does and I know with the talent that has been shown to us time and >time again that the music will be even better beyond March 24th :) Ummmm...some of that talent is showing up in other groups these days... :-) m@ +-mbraun at urbana.css.mot.com-+--Experiments that failed too many times -----BOC+ | Matt Braun -- Motorola, | Transformations that were too hard to find | | Urbana, IL Design Centre | Poison's in my bloodstream, poison's in my pride| +---------------------------+--- I'm after rebellion, I'll settle for lies----+ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 13 12:36:38 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 17:36:38 GMT Subject: Realaudio files Message-ID: Out of curiousity, how would one set about writing realaudio files stored on a computer to a CD in such a way that the CD would play on a CD player as an ordinary music CD? FoFP From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Mar 13 12:39:26 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:39:26 -0500 Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid Message-ID: >Yet, ironically, BD is at an all-time peak playing-wise. It is a maddening phenomenon. Wait til you hear BD this week, John. Better put some padding on the bottom of your jaw, 'cause it's going to hit the floor a few times... Agreed. I didn't mean to imply that their musicianship had in any way diminished. And I certainly expect Buck's work on HF to be stellar. >Don' t overlook the impact of losing SP and Meltzer on BOC's creativity. True, but that was more lyrically than musically. >I do know that other CMC productions are high quality. Hope it works out for BOC... Saw an interesting blurb recently about CMC in a Boston music rag - it mentioned that it sort of has found a niche between the indie acts and the mainstream. >I just hope they have the courage to play lots of HF live, and give us a chance to show them directly what we think... I know they're doing 2 or 3 at recent shows - I'm hoping for more. >Danm! John, this is the most long-winded I've ever seen ya! Do it more often, dude! Don't tempt me. ;-) But then again, I probably waste a little too much bandwidth in the number of posts I generate, if not their individual volume. John From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Fri Mar 13 07:16:59 1998 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:16:59 GMT Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid Message-ID: >>You know whether or not Heaven Forbid "flat out sucks", or whether it's >mediocre or whether its just a >good solid rock album, I think we should >all cut BOC a little slack and not expect so much. It has >been over 10 >years since the last "real" studio album of original material, and I'm >sure the expectations >of a lot of BOC fans must weigh on them. > >Agreed. > >I wonder if this kind of stuff >goes on at the Boston mailing >list every time a new album >comes out ;) *laughing* Are those guys still together ? Geez... Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Mar 13 13:20:23 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:20:23 -0000 Subject: Amon Duul / II ! Message-ID: On Friday, March 13, 1998 5:27 PM, Walrus [SMTP:walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET] wrote: > Speaking of which I just discovered that I have an AD cd with bob calvert > on it.. dies losung i think.. I didn't like it much but I havent heard > it > in several years now.. > Yeah, that's one of the "unofficial" 80's albums with Dave Anderson and John Weinzierl. I quite like it, but more because it's one of Bob's last recordings than anything else. -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Mar 13 13:23:20 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:23:20 -0000 Subject: HW: On the edge of time Message-ID: On Friday, March 13, 1998 5:24 PM, Walrus [SMTP:walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET] wrote: > Well I finally tracked down a place that has WotEoT on CD! Yay! > Amyway, I've been listening to my scratchy vinyl tape copy, and methinks > that WotEoT was when hw really started to change musically. Well, I'd argue they made just a big a change when Lemmy and Simon K joined! > Anyway, is that Moorcock on Wizard Blew His Horn and the other > talking (what else would you call them?) tracks? > "What they call spoken-word pieces". Yes, although Turner does one of them. See if you can spot which one! :) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK Fri Mar 13 13:41:48 1998 From: eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK (eldritch) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:41:48 +0000 Subject: Realaudio files Message-ID: ;-) Well I've got the ToGo CD writing software, it accepts wavs as input to write the audio CDs, but not real audio... You could write the trax as wavs, for a full CD, you need about 650meg on the old hard drive... Rich From OE3 at AOL.COM Fri Mar 13 14:02:14 1998 From: OE3 at AOL.COM (OE3) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:02:14 EST Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid review Message-ID: okay, my last post for a while... first, i have no reason to lie--i have heard the album. if you know your ways & whereabouts in this city it's not uncommon to come across advance copies of virtually any new release. there's a high concentration of radio, press, and industry people here with access to advances and they unload them with frequency, it seems. and with one of l.a.'s best used cd stores within three minutes of my apart-ment it's not inconvenient for me to stop by three days a week to see what's new. so there's my life story re: used cd's and advances... (i do not work in the music biz.) second, the "'flat out' sucks" line was a bit harsh, i concede. but it was not in regards to the new album, just the cover art. i always revered the cult for their music, lyrics, cover art, and general conceptual themes. they carried each weight equally, especially in their glory days ('72-'76). the new art doesn't add that extra dimension, but then again, i find it hard in the c.d. age for that extra dimension to be encapsulated in a 6" x 6" paper card. i still thinks it's certifed wisconsin muenster, though. third, i'm rooting for this record, too! i did write that buck's playing is still tasty and refreshing and that there are three or four solid tracks (out of eleven). there's a few I'm neither here nor there about and a couple others are mere throwaways. overall, in terms of quality, i think it's quite like a lot of b.o.c.'s eighties output--nothing to get too excited about, but still worthy of your $$. to be honest, it's better than i anticipated. and last, to christian, i'm fucking jealous of you. spiritual beggars AND fu manchu?! what a gig! two of my favorite bands. are you in england? (by the way, do you know of the new "ex-fu manchu" band nebula? it's the two guys that were kicked out after the last tour and the first bassist from way back. musically akin to fu manchu but with a more spaced-out, cosmic vibe. (not hawkwind, though.) they've just released a cd ep that got four k's, i hear.) well, here's to heaven forbid, friends! eddie los angeles, calif. From AgentOF at AOL.COM Fri Mar 13 14:11:31 1998 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Agent OF) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:11:31 EST Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid - Expectations Message-ID: I expect a lot out of this album as a fan. After 10 years of accumulating material for an album, you'd have to think that it's going to sound very good. As for expectations from those outside our little fandom, all I want is that I do have to hear this anymore: "Are They Still Around?":-) chuck Miracles DO Happen, Take One http://www.j-and-a.com/rose.htm The Ricky Browning Benefit Concert Featuring The Buck Dharma Band From johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM Fri Mar 13 15:03:07 1998 From: johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:03:07 +0100 Subject: Silver Machine CD [Legend] Message-ID: At 11:01 1998-03-12 GMT, you wrote: >Is it possible that this is a rerelease of "Early Daze"? The tracks >match up apart from "Gaga" on Andy Dawson's site. Do you have the CD to >check Andy? it's identical to early daze. gaga is included on both items (just before In the Egg), but is not in tracklist on either. this ignorance of the tracklistsmaker make's a true gaga-gagarin fan sad. >I'll now offer 2 ordinary CD's in trade for anyone who nails this one >for me... > >FoFP ObHockey: Mora-Rogle 5-0 in third period. -joe From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Fri Mar 13 15:58:31 1998 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:58:31 -0500 Subject: Heaven Forbid In-Reply-To: <329A5258416CD111928F006008A62C760CD84C@BPXSV> from "brian halligan" at Mar 13, 98 08:42:11 am Message-ID: brian halligan writes: > > Dawa said: > > >You know whether or not Heaven Forbid "flat out sucks", or whether it's > mediocre or whether its just a >good solid rock album, I think we should > all cut BOC a little slack and not expect so much. It has >been over 10 > years since the last "real" studio album of original material, and I'm > sure the expectations >of a lot of BOC fans must weigh on them. > > Agreed. > > I wonder if this kind of stuff > goes on at the Boston mailing > list every time a new album > comes out ;) I was on the Big Country mailing list for a while... what a death watch that was! Cool people, but they just had no real hope of ever seeing their band claw its way back from total obscurity, and they knew it. ;-) I suppose it could be worse. This could be the Jimi Hendrix mailing list. Or worse, the Queen mailing list. Imagine if Eric really had lost his voice, and they'd dubbed him onto the new album based on some old vault tapes. Ugh, what a thought. I shouldn't post when I'm this tired. :) Steve From walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET Fri Mar 13 16:51:27 1998 From: walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET (Walrus) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:51:27 -0500 Subject: HW: Silver Machine video revisited Message-ID: Well I decided that I'd fork out the bucks and get a couple of HW videos. Well order them anyway, god knows how long they'll take to arrive, which is OK since I also sent away for nik's SR94 video a while ago. Anyway the ones I picked were Chaos and Night of the Hawks (any comments?).. I think Chaos says it has some "previously unreleased" stuff on it.. does it have the original Silver Machine clip?? wal (planning to build a silver machine) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______ " The gentle madness Walrus _______\_ has touched my hand walrus at neuron.net /__\O/__/= Now I'm just a _|\ .^. Cosmic Man ... " .. spacing out | \_/ by spacing in .. From adawson at CLARA.NET Fri Mar 13 16:18:57 1998 From: adawson at CLARA.NET (Andrew Dawson) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:18:57 +0000 Subject: HW: Oh dear god NO!!! In-Reply-To: <199803121307.NAA09560@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 13:07 12/03/98 GMT, you wrote: > >Comparing it to our discography, you're missing these: > >BBC Transcription Disc LP >BBC Transcription Disc LP - The Brian Matthews Show >Bristol Custom Bike Show >Glastonbury Fayre (with various artists) (Snip the rest, you get the idea) Thanks for that. I do know of these but the problem was how to include them. The site grew rapidly and went over my web allocation. Decided in the end to limit it to full HW releases (or V/A marketed as HW releases). Similar reasoning went into which 12" singles were included in the album/CD section. Decided that if it was released on CD it would be included here if not it would be in the future singles section. More web space promised soon, allegedly. If not I might alternate the categories, albums/CD.s 1 month singles the next and so on. What do you think folks. > >If I can find somewhere to scan 'em I can get you the scans... > >FoFP > > Please do Andy Andrew Dawson adawson at clara.net http://home.clara.net/adawson http://www.adawson.clara.net From adawson at CLARA.NET Fri Mar 13 16:02:47 1998 From: adawson at CLARA.NET (Andrew Dawson) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:02:47 +0000 Subject: Silver Machine CD [Legend] In-Reply-To: <199803121101.LAA26208@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 11:01 12/03/98 GMT, you wrote: >Is it possible that this is a rerelease of "Early Daze"? The tracks >match up apart from "Gaga" on Andy Dawson's site. Do you have the CD to >check Andy? > >I'll now offer 2 ordinary CD's in trade for anyone who nails this one >for me... > >FoFP > > Yes they are most definitely the same. Not sure where Gaga comes into it though as it is not on either CD or mentioned on my site under these releases. Perhaps you are confusing it with the Bring me the head of Yuri Gagarin release. Speaking of which I reckon BMTHOYG and In the Beginning (Reissued as Masters of the Universe) are the same . The only difference being very slightly different edits. If so this makes the Welcome to the Future 4CD set an even bigger rip off. 3CD's instead of 4 or was that originally going to be 5 !!!. Andy Andrew Dawson adawson at clara.net http://home.clara.net/adawson http://www.adawson.clara.net From clemens at TRAIL.COM Fri Mar 13 17:27:53 1998 From: clemens at TRAIL.COM (Clemens) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:27:53 -0700 Subject: Silver Machine video revisited Message-ID: what do you plan to use for power in your silver machine? DAVE at Clemens From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Fri Mar 13 20:57:20 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:57:20 -0700 Subject: Realaudio files In-Reply-To: <199803131736.RAA21243@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > Out of curiousity, how would one set about writing realaudio files > stored on a computer to a CD in such a way that the CD would play on a > CD player as an ordinary music CD? > > FoFP > A way which has worked for me is to record the realaudio file, as it's playing, onto a recorder (I use minidisc) from the sound card's audio outputs, then record the minidisc (or whatever) as a wave file, which can be put onto a CD-R. BTW, the only CD recording software I've found that doesn't automatically add a two second gap between each song is from http://www.goldenhawk.com/ . Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu. From walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET Fri Mar 13 21:04:17 1998 From: walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET (Walrus) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:04:17 -0500 Subject: Silver Machine video revisited In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Clemens wrote: > what do you plan to use for power in your silver machine? > DAVE at Clemens > orgones.. i just installed an orgone accumulator :) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______ " The gentle madness Walrus _______\_ has touched my hand walrus at neuron.net /__\O/__/= Now I'm just a _|\ .^. Cosmic Man ... " .. spacing out | \_/ by spacing in .. From Imagine911 at AOL.COM Fri Mar 13 22:05:56 1998 From: Imagine911 at AOL.COM (Imagine911) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:05:56 EST Subject: BOC: HB, SYIB, getting heated Message-ID: You're right, the ugly Pearl Jam cover I was thinking of was the blurry, grainy, b&w sheep or goat in the fence, but the same point applies. And if the Alice in Chains album didn't sell, it wasn't the cover. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sat Mar 14 00:47:04 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 00:47:04 -0500 Subject: HW/OFF: Ozrics' Dovetail CDs Message-ID: Hey there folks... Well, as predicted, the list seems to be livening up again with the imminent release of BOC's HF. (BTW, did anyone happen to see that the newest issue of Goldmine contained a review of the new reissued AoF? Written by a guy named Steve Roeser. I hope that the good review was based on true opinion and not blatant nepotism.) :) Anyway, I'm interested in another topic. Over on r.m.p., people have been mentioning how bad the quality is of their Ozrics' CDs on Dovetail. Those comments hit home with me as I've got only one CD in my entire collection that's completely unplayable. You guessed it...Pungent Effulgent. Before my 'good' CD player blew up on me (I think during an electrical storm/power surge), I could play it on that one, but it has never been readable on my older one. So there's definitely something to it. On r.m.p., they've also been referring to part of the problem as 'bronzing,' which I guess alludes to the coloration of the CD surface, esp. since both the unplayable PE and also both discs of my Afterswish are very 'bronze' in color (the latter two play just fine, at least for now). So my question...what is happening with these discs and why? Will all bronzed CD's eventually become untrackable?? And does the color really mean anything?? Aren't CD-R's that color to start with? The manufacturer appears to be PDO, who I guess is now developing a reputation for putting out some lower quality discs. But then, someone mentioned that they would replace these bronzed/defective CDs at no charge. Anyone know how you'd go about this?? Keith H. (FAA) P.S. All my other OT discs seem o.k., even the other Dovetail ones, and of course, the IRS & Snapper issues are all ok. P.P.S. I also heard that Snapper is going to be doing up some more of the back catalog...not sure exactly why. Perhaps for bulk distribution to the US of some of the rarer ones over here? ObCD: Ship of Fools - Close your eyes-Forget the World (this is *really* cool) P.P.P.S. Just got the Tubilah Dog disc. It's pretty decent...but not at all what I expected. Lots of various types of tunes, some psychedelic, some not. Neither of the two tracks from TAT are on it, nor is the music that similar. Still don't know who the band really was at that time (it was recorded in 1995), but the guests are listed! I think Steve Mills was the groups' main member...perhaps it was just him and the named guests. Apparently, Jerry Richards had nothing to do with it. Anybody know more?? From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Mar 14 05:51:32 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:51:32 +0000 Subject: HW/OFF: Ozrics' Dovetail CDs Message-ID: On l?r 14 mar 1998 00.47 -0500 "Keith Henderson" wrote: > So there's definitely something to it. On r.m.p., they've also been > referring to part of the problem as 'bronzing,' which I guess alludes to the > coloration of the CD surface, esp. since both the unplayable PE and also > both discs of my Afterswish are very 'bronze' in color (the latter two play > just fine, at least for now). The label side of my _Live Underslunky_ disc has bronzed, but the playing side is unchanged. Plays fine, as yet. My _Erpland_ CD is still all silver (and plays fine). Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG Sat Mar 14 07:59:53 1998 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG (Olivier Boigey) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 14:59:53 +0200 Subject: HW: Silverideo revisited In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message ID on 13/03/98, BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List wrote: > Anyway the ones I picked were Chaos and Night of the Hawks (any > comments?).. I think Chaos says it has some "previously unreleased" stuff > on it.. does it have the original Silver Machine clip?? > > wal > (planning to build a silver machine) For a recent release, Chaos is badly filmed, and too much Lloyd Langton for meINotH is the better ever released, sound, video, and gig are good; in second position I'll put the Love In Space video. Olivier (with a kaput silver machine in the garage) ________________________Olivier Boigey________________________ 6 rue Pasquier - 92300 - Levallois Perret - FRANCE TEL/FAX: 33 1 41 05 08 50 - e-mail: olivier_boigey at technolink.org ============================================================ European WebSoup ============================================================ European WebSoup trawls the Net for you and brings its readers a digest of news about the interactive media industries of Europe. Published Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays. - via HOLY GALACTIC IMPERIUM ++ - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From hdboc at 3-CITIES.COM Sat Mar 14 09:16:12 1998 From: hdboc at 3-CITIES.COM (Jack W. Heffling) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 06:16:12 -0800 Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid In-Reply-To: <199803131216.MAA00189@LAGUNA-01.laguna.com.mx> Message-ID: Critism of HF already? Sheesh! I thought it was great! CU in Black sounded much better to me. Harvest Moon, Live For Me and Real World are classic Buck songs. And Hammerback, well, wait until you here this one! Even Power Underneath Despair and Still Burning, two songs I've never been fond of live sounded good on the cd. Also, Danny and Bobby actually didn't provide much on this cd as you will see in the credits. Jack From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Mar 14 09:51:28 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 22:51:28 +0800 Subject: HW: Silver Machine video revisited Message-ID: >Well I decided that I'd fork out the bucks and get a couple of HW videos. >Well order them anyway, god knows how long they'll take to arrive, which >is OK since I also sent away for nik's SR94 video a while ago. >Anyway the ones I picked were Chaos and Night of the Hawks (any >comments?).. I think Chaos says it has some "previously unreleased" stuff >on it.. does it have the original Silver Machine clip?? > Both videos are just of live concerts. There's no clips as such on them. They are probably also the least interesting videos of them to have been released. William From mumford at ONLINE.NO Sat Mar 14 10:09:18 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:09:18 +0100 Subject: HW: Silver Machine video revisited Message-ID: walrus writes: > >Anyway the ones I picked were Chaos and Night of the Hawks (any > >comments?).. I think Chaos says it has some "previously unreleased" stuff > >on it.. does it have the original Silver Machine clip?? William Duffy writes: > Both videos are just of live concerts. There's no clips as such on them. > They are probably also the least interesting videos of them to have been > released. Night of the Hawks rules! Nik during his "clownpunk" 80s Hawkwind stint and Brock in a skeleton costume... great version of Ejection/Uncle Sam's On Mars! Fun tape. I also think Chaos is pretty good. Great projection/lightshow, being a feast for comicbook afficionados (Frank Frazetta and Jack Kirby characters, Betty Boop toons etc.) Plus I think it rocks pretty good. Stonehenge and Live Legends have to be the most redundant HW videos (hell, I find the Love In Space video more tedious than both of those combined..) Christian From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Mar 14 10:30:26 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 23:30:26 +0800 Subject: HW: Silver Machine video revisited Message-ID: >William Duffy writes: >> Both videos are just of live concerts. There's no clips as such on them. >> They are probably also the least interesting videos of them to have been >> released. > >Night of the Hawks rules! Nik during his "clownpunk" 80s Hawkwind stint and >Brock in a skeleton costume... great version of Ejection/Uncle Sam's On >Mars! Fun tape. > >I also think Chaos is pretty good. Great projection/lightshow, being a >feast for comicbook afficionados (Frank Frazetta and Jack Kirby characters, >Betty Boop toons etc.) Plus I think it rocks pretty good. > >Stonehenge and Live Legends have to be the most redundant HW videos (hell, >I find the Love In Space video more tedious than both of those combined..) > We all have our own tastes, I guess. But apart from agreeing with you on Stonehenge, I believe it to be the other way around, with LIS and Live Legends being the best videos. I find Night of the Hawks very annoying, because most of it is in virtual darkness, and I found Nik to be rather embarrassing to watch. Chaos is badly filmed, and is really more like a sequel to Chronicles, but without any of the interesting visuals. I also feel that the music on these 2 weren't really a good indication of the HW sound. Just my own thoughts on that. William From mumford at ONLINE.NO Sat Mar 14 12:05:47 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 18:05:47 +0100 Subject: HW: Silver Machine video revisited Message-ID: > We all have our own tastes, I guess. But apart from agreeing with you on > Stonehenge, I believe it to be the other way around, with LIS and Live > Legends being the best videos. Yes they are both much better productions. I just never liked the Alien4/LiS stuff at all. The music on Live Legends is great I just hate watching it. Well, aside from the guy wrapped in toilet paper and Simon House looking somewhat vacant. (bizarre puns originally not intended BTW) With LiS I hate having to listen to it, and I find the "concept" overblown, embarrasing and vapid ;) Though there's alot of neat visuals and its an elaborate theatrical show. Am I the only one who finds A4/LiS albums to be extremely _sucky_?? *flat out* sucky?? ;) > I find Night of the Hawks very annoying, > because most of it is in virtual darkness, Hmm, I rather like the fact. "Night Of The Hawks".... s'posed ta be in the dark! Skeletal guitarists and maniacal clowns etc. Works for me anyway. >and I found Nik to be rather > embarrassing to watch. Well, he's been hung up on that schtick ever since... The Silver Machine "contest" is pretty lame.... >Chaos is badly filmed, and is really more like a > sequel to Chronicles, This is very true. Like an incoherent follow-up as regards "concept", or lack thereof. Static camera, not great sound. But I like the music and cartoons ;)) There's this great bit in the middle of Dreaming City where the cartoons with the music create layers and layers of interpretations ;) >but without any of the interesting visuals. What about the projection?? Never mind those "dancers"... > I also feel that the music on these 2 weren't really a good indication of > the HW sound. Well Chaos certainly could be comfortably filed next to Reading 86? Or even Chronicles?? '86-87 are something of a "blank" period of HW, sandwiched between Chronicle and Xenon Codex, as far as new material goes. > Just my own thoughts on that. > > William Well, right on with the production end of it... What do other people make of all this? I for one wouldn't mind Night Of The Hawks and Chaos on CD. And who else finds those cheezy sub-psychedelic FX on the SR94 video annoying? (maybe brief instances where they are somewhat braintwisting, but on the whole distract) But nothing comes close to Chronicles with that great encore - more Spinal Tap than Spinal Tap! Don't leave Melnibone without it... Christian From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sat Mar 14 13:44:28 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 02:44:28 +0800 Subject: HW: Silver Machine video revisited Message-ID: >> We all have our own tastes, I guess. But apart from agreeing with you on >> Stonehenge, I believe it to be the other way around, with LIS and Live >> Legends being the best videos. > >Yes they are both much better productions. > >I just never liked the Alien4/LiS stuff at all. >The music on Live Legends is great I just hate >watching it. Well, aside from the guy wrapped >in toilet paper and Simon House looking somewhat >vacant. (bizarre puns originally not intended BTW) > The only bit in Live Legends I hate is the tutu bits. Other than that, we actually get the rare opportunity to actually see the band play their instruments. >With LiS I hate having to listen to it, and I find the >"concept" overblown, embarrasing and vapid ;) Though >there's alot of neat visuals and its an elaborate theatrical >show. > >Am I the only one who finds A4/LiS albums to be >extremely _sucky_?? *flat out* sucky?? ;) > I'm not a big fan of A4, and I don't like the LIS song and believe it to be a dreadful title for a live show, but I like the older material they do on it, as well as the instrumentals. >>Chaos is badly filmed, and is really more like a >> sequel to Chronicles, > >This is very true. Like an incoherent follow-up as >regards "concept", or lack thereof. Static camera, not >great sound. But I like the music and cartoons ;)) > >There's this great bit in the middle of Dreaming City >where the cartoons with the music create layers and layers >of interpretations ;) > The Dreaming City is the best bit on the video. >>but without any of the interesting visuals. > >What about the projection?? >Never mind those "dancers"... > The projection was ok, but it would have worked better if the filming was a lot tighter. Those dancers were dreadful, made more so by the silly outfits. I'd rather see dancers in plain, ordinary boiler suits than looking like outcasts from a 60's Batman TV episode. >> I also feel that the music on these 2 weren't really a good indication of >> the HW sound. > > >Well Chaos certainly could be comfortably >filed next to Reading 86? Or even Chronicles?? >'86-87 are something of a "blank" period of HW, >sandwiched between Chronicle and Xenon Codex, >as far as new material goes. > The other main problem I had with Chaos, is that it was just the same songs that appear on many live recordings, and there was nothing (apart from The Dreaming City) that I've heard too many live versions of. Also, from what I can tell, it was recorded only a few months after Chronicles. >> Just my own thoughts on that. >> >> William > >Well, right on with the production end of it... > >What do other people make of all this? I for one >wouldn't mind Night Of The Hawks and Chaos on CD. > I like the version of Dream Watcher on Night of the Hawks and, being a fan of Gerry Anderson (Thunderbirds, UFO, etc..), was pleased to hear dialoque from his movie Doppleganger at the start of it. I also like the version of Psi Power, as well as the visuals on that bit. I can think of other live material I'd prefer, though. >And who else finds those cheezy sub-psychedelic >FX on the SR94 video annoying? (maybe brief instances >where they are somewhat braintwisting, but on the whole >distract) > I too thought it looked good, particularly on the narrated bits, but was too much. We saw little of the actual gig. >But nothing comes close to Chronicles with that great encore >- more Spinal Tap than Spinal Tap! Don't leave Melnibone without >it... > Do you mean the bit on the extended video, as I've only seen the 50min version? William From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Sat Mar 14 13:59:13 1998 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:59:13 -0700 Subject: HW: Silver Machine video revisited Message-ID: reset wrote: > Am I the only one who finds A4/LiS albums to be > extremely _sucky_?? *flat out* sucky?? ;) > > Christian I *really* like Alien 4-in fact, I'm still looking for this on CD!! My new player wants it:), and I've about worn out my tape copy. I guess I'm weird, tho-at least my friends say so:) I picked up Legendary Pink Dots latest-"Hallway of the Gods" yesterday-Interesting and VERY spacey. It starts out as spacy psychedelia and then towards the end gets downright trippy! Good stuff! I'm glad I picked it up! Highly reccommended:)Rock on! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool Message-ID: At 11:33 11/03/98 GMT, M Holmes wrote: > >There's a new Silver Machine compilation CD out in the UK: > >1998 Silver Machine CD [Hallmark compilation] > Hurry On Sundown > Space Is Deep > Motorhead > Magnu > Angels Of Death > We Do It > British Tribal Music > Ghost Dance > World Of Tiers > Urban Guerilla > Earth Calling > Silver Machine > This is the same track listing as the British Tribal Music release. can anyone confirm if these are indeed identical. Will this reissuing, repackaging, renaming never end ?. Andy Andrew Dawson adawson at clara.net http://home.clara.net/adawson http://www.adawson.clara.net From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Mar 15 09:51:14 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:51:14 -0000 Subject: HW: Silver Machine video revisited Message-ID: > But nothing comes close to Chronicles with that great encore > - more Spinal Tap than Spinal Tap! Don't leave Melnibone without > it... > > Christian is that the same encore that put me entirely off Hawkwind for three years? :) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From adawson at CLARA.NET Sun Mar 15 14:29:08 1998 From: adawson at CLARA.NET (Andrew Dawson) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:29:08 +0000 Subject: Silver Machine CD [Legend] In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980313210247.00825a10@clara.net> Message-ID: At 21:02 13/03/98 +0000, I wrote: >I reckon BMTHOYG and In the Beginning (Reissued as >Masters of the Universe) are the same . The only difference being very >slightly different edits. If so this makes the Welcome to the Future 4CD >set an even bigger rip off. 3CD's instead of 4 or was that originally going >to be 5 !!!. > >Andy >Andrew Dawson > Er sorry about that folks. What I meant to say was that I reckon Text of Festival is the same as In the beginning is the same as Master of the Universe. These Magnum releases are so bloody confusing. Andy Andrew Dawson adawson at clara.net http://home.clara.net/adawson http://www.adawson.clara.net From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Sun Mar 15 15:38:08 1998 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Hawkwinder) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:38:08 EST Subject: HAWKWIND E Fanzine Message-ID: Hello, Hawk-U.S./Time & Space fanzine ....the Web version has been improved on: there are now tour dates (just Strange Daze, Chrome & Bevis Frond for now) and pics etc.... It is still under construction but improving by the day visit us at: http://members.aol.com/Hawkwinder/hawkwindrulesindex.html Hawkwinder's Home Page and send your link/link us if you want..... space is deep bob From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sun Mar 15 18:05:05 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 23:05:05 GMT Subject: HW: Oh dear god NO!!! In-Reply-To: Andrew Dawson's message of Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:15:32 +0000 Message-ID: Andrew Dawson writes: > At 11:33 11/03/98 GMT, M Holmes wrote: > > > >There's a new Silver Machine compilation CD out in the UK: > > > >1998 Silver Machine CD [Hallmark compilation] > > Hurry On Sundown > > Space Is Deep > > Motorhead > > Magnu > > Angels Of Death > > We Do It > > British Tribal Music > > Ghost Dance > > World Of Tiers > > Urban Guerilla > > Earth Calling > > Silver Machine > > > This is the same track listing as the British Tribal Music release. can > anyone confirm if these are indeed identical. Yep, they are. > Will this reissuing, > repackaging, renaming never end ?. Not unless the band gets back th rights to this stuff. > > Andy > Andrew Dawson FoFP From mumford at ONLINE.NO Sun Mar 15 18:19:55 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:19:55 +0100 Subject: HW: Oh dear god NO!!! Message-ID: > > > Will this reissuing, > > repackaging, renaming never end ?. > > Not unless the band gets back th rights to this stuff. > Of course if nobody bought these wretched things..... ;) Christian > > > > Andy > > Andrew Dawson > > FoFP From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Mon Mar 16 10:38:42 1998 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:38:42 EST Subject: Doug Smith In-Reply-To: <199803131342.NAA03730@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>; from "J Strobridge" at Mar 13, 98 01:42:01 pm Message-ID: > Fascinating. Has anyone heard from Sonique (Paul Ward) recently? > Paul was trying to get Brock and co over to Australia so he might > well have a fair idea of what is going on here. > > Hi Paul? > How's it going? > > cheers > jill Paul has gone overseas with work I believe,the last thing I know was that Brock & Co wanted to come ,but didn't have the loot.So they would have had to pay for their airfares etc,but brock wanted the cash for a new lyric book or something like that. regards Marty From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Mon Mar 16 05:58:10 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:58:10 +0000 Subject: HW: Silver Machine video revisited/Legendary Pink Dots In-Reply-To: <350AD380.CDA1D91B@TransWestTaxi.com> Message-ID: Pam/Christian write: > > >> Am I the only one who finds A4/LiS albums to be >> extremely _sucky_?? *flat out* sucky?? ;) >> >> Christian > >I *really* like Alien 4-in fact, I'm still looking for this on CD!! My >new player wants it:), and I've about worn out my tape copy. I guess I'm >weird, tho-at least my friends say so:) I picked up Legendary Pink Dots >latest-"Hallway of the Gods" yesterday-Interesting and VERY spacey. It >starts out as spacy psychedelia and then towards the end gets downright >trippy! Good stuff! I'm glad I picked it up! Highly reccommended:)Rock >on! >Pam Sorry pam, I agree with Christian about the Area S4/Lis stuff. The couple of gigs I saw on the '95 tour, I was with a chap called Richard Allen of Delerium Records. (He is manager to Porcupine Tree - SUPERB band!). Anyhow, we both agreed that it was like Spinal Tap's worst nightmare!(Australian Hairdressers!) At the time, I couldn't help thinking, why the hell didn't Ron quit doing the high-pitched stuff, and get on with the job of being Bob Calvert. (No disrespect to Bob's memory.) That said, there were some great moments from the show, Assassins was particularly powerful, as was Lord of Light. Also, there's a huge coincidence here too! A Dutch mate was doing the sound on the Alien tour, (Raymond Steeg), and he also does the sound for the Legendary Pink Dots, as well as Porcupine Tree on a regular basis. He also engineered Ron and Gerry's tracks on Distant Horizons. He was also on the sound desk for the Isle of Man shows, the Derby Bike fest., the Blackheath gig etc. Enough waffling for now, Guy T. PS: I know I'm a bit biased here, 'cos I filmed half of the Brixton '92 video, but I rather like it! Does anybody else? From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Mar 16 09:15:14 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:15:14 -0500 Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid Message-ID: >Also, Danny and Bobby actually didn't provide much on this cd as you will see in the credits. I would certainly assume that about Bobby as I believe most of the tracks were completed before he was in the band (remember, this album's tracks have been advertised as "basically finished" for over a year now). I would have thought that Danny would have been on a good number of them though - he's been in the band over 2 years. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Mar 16 09:16:47 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:16:47 -0500 Subject: BOC - Baltic, CT gig last Saturday Message-ID: As posted to AOL: From: BOCFAQMAN Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:04:27 EST To: jswartz at mitre.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: BOC in Baltic My first BOC show in over 2 years (you guys just HAVE to get a little closer to Boston!), and I do declare - it was good (but you all knew that already). When I post reviews, they tend to get long-winded, but perhaps my lack of sleep at the moment will keep this post to a respectable level. But I'm rambling already... At 7:30, I kissed the wife and kids and began the 2-hour drive from Boston to Baltic, CT - which I thought was shorter, and unfortunately found the roads a bit slippery, but, as Dustin Hoffman said in 'Rain Man' - "I'm an excellent driver..." ;-) The Hillside Cafe, other than the fact that it's been recently rennovated (and looks pretty good inside), is basically a dive in a rather out-of-the-way place (reminds me a little of the 'hick town' - and I say that lovingly - that I grew up in). Quite a few cops around - guess they were expecting us rock and roll geezers to get all liquored up and raise hell - they were right! The opening band, Night Shift, got the crowd very suitably primed for BOC. What was most cool was this wasn't a band playing a lot of originals, this was a cover band playing lots of classic rock tunes from the 70s and 80s - stuff like Skynyrd, 38 Special, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Molly Hatchet (and the good old boys were rockin' in Heaven about all of those tunes, I can tell you!), and a few others (including Krokus' "Screaming in the Night" - remember that tune?). The band boasted of 2 rather fine guitarists - one on a Les Paul, and one on a Strat - ah, the 70s... :-) During the opener's set, and between sets, I had the pleasure of meeting a few onliners (Mark, Lisa, Ed - thanks again for getting me my ticket buddy!, Imagine911, and Chariot - who got me a good spot on the floor just a few feet from the front). Kronos7 - I missed you - maybe next time... BOC hit the stage, and... well, they were BOC - you all know how it was. Nothing I can say hasn't been written here and elsewhere hundreds of times. Quite simply, they were awesome - consumate professionals - and other than Danny mouthing "I'm sooo tired" to a roadie during the show, one would never have known it. They delivered a killer set of old and new which I believe went something like this (a few tunes might be out of order): Before the Kiss Cities on Flame ETI Harvest Moon The Vigil O.D. on Life Buck's Boogie Live for Me Flaming Telapaths See You in Black Last Days of May In Thee Burnin' 4 U Godzilla Reaper one encore - Dominance & Submission A few other, somewhat random, observations: I disagree "a little" with Mark on the sound - certainly for the place they were playing, I think they did a good job with the sound, but there appeared to have been some problems with Buck's guitar setup. He was definitely not high enough in the mix, at times being almost dwarfed by Eric's, and especially Allen's guitars (although their playing was top notch). For one or two songs, Buck was even playing what-I-thought was one of Eric's guitars (the red one with the alien on it). Also, the drums seemed a bit too loud in the mix (esp. the snare drum). Then again, I was only a few feet from the stage, which isn't always the optimal place for sound. Bobby is an animal! This was the first time I'd seen him live and he was most impressive. His solo was impressive - his arms flying back and forth across the kit from cymbal to cymbal. Danny prowled the stage as the consumate "Monster Bassman" that he is - although the size of the stage forced him to dodge bandmembers and mike stands alike. His solo was cool, although I for one think that Godzilla is really too long to have both bass and drum solos back to back in it. I think BOC should consider moving either the bass or drum solo to a different song in the set - how about a "speed bass" solo in the middle of "See You in Black" :-) The new material is sounding excellent, and appeared to be well-received (true, most of the crowd doesn't yet know the words to these songs - unlike the old stuff, which the crowd sang along with all night). I hope BOC continues to feature at least 3 songs, if not more, from the new album. I was standing near the side door where the band came in to take the stage (they "hid" behind the amps before doing the enocre since there was really no place to go but out of the building once off the stage). Buck's appearance kind of cracked me up. He entered carrying his guitar, wearing his black suit, and had his glasses on -- looked a bit like a businessman! Of course he quickly became the guitar god we all know and love...kinda like Clark Kent/Superman I guess... A great show which just leaves me even more eager with anticipation for March 24th. And I really hope it isn't 2 years before I see you guys live again... John PS: The drive home? A bit more difficult - but I was sober and had some coffee on the road to stay awake. Got back around 4. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Mar 16 08:47:37 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:47:37 EDT Subject: BOC - Baltic, CT gig last Saturday In-Reply-To: <199803161416.JAA09565@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > > Before the Kiss > Cities on Flame > ETI > Harvest Moon > The Vigil > O.D. on Life > Buck's Boogie > Live for Me > Flaming Telapaths > See You in Black > Last Days of May > In Thee > Burnin' 4 U > Godzilla > Reaper > one encore - Dominance & Submission > > A few other, somewhat random, observations: Seems like kind of a short show? How was EB's voice? > > I disagree "a little" with Mark on the sound - certainly for the place they > were playing, I think they did a good job with the sound, but there appeared > to have been some problems with Buck's guitar setup. He was definitely not > high enough in the mix, at times being almost dwarfed by Eric's, and > especially Allen's guitars (although their playing was top notch). For one or > two songs, Buck was even playing what-I-thought was one of Eric's guitars (the This has been a problem more than once. I saw them several times last year, and BD's gtr was usually too low in the mix. What's up here? BD's the main player in the band, and one of the greatest gtr plyrs of all time. Why isn't his gtr right in our faces? > theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Mar 16 11:14:51 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:14:51 -0500 Subject: BOC - Baltic, CT gig last Saturday Message-ID: >Seems like kind of a short show? How was EB's voice? Went from midnite to about 1:45. Compares to what they've been doing latetly from what I've read, although only 1 encore instead of 2. While it didn't show, I understand they were all pretty wiped out from trying to get there from Niagara Falls the previous night in very bad weather. As for EB's voice - based on what I heard on a few tapes from about a year ago, it has improved tremendously. Speaking honestly, while trying not to be negative, it isn't back to the level it was a few years ago (and, at Eric's age, and the years of toil he's put his voice through, that is perhaps to be expected). But, for the numbers which he did sing, he sang very powerfully. See You in Black and Flaming Telepaths in particular, two not-exactly-easy-on-the-vocal-chords songs were delivered without a hint of difficulty. ETI, on the other hand - he does it more like a rap than singing which I don't like as much as in days of old. Cities on Flame was done well, but not as well as SYIB and FT -- maybe the guy just needs to get "warmed up" more these days? Domminance and Submission and Godzilla were also delivered with no signs of problems. I also noticed that with Buck singing more, Eric has been doing a bit more keyboards than in the past, with Allen doing more guitar. All in all, Eric suprised and impressed me. John From tnelson at HUMBOLDT.K12.CA.US Sun Mar 15 11:24:22 1998 From: tnelson at HUMBOLDT.K12.CA.US (Thomas Nelson) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 08:24:22 -0800 Subject: OFF: Queen mailing list (was Heaven Forbid) In-Reply-To: <199803141000.FAA18992@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: >I suppose it could be worse. This could be the Jimi Hendrix mailing >list. Or worse, the Queen mailing list. > >Steve I have to take a little exception to this. While it is true that Freddie Mercury has died, it certainly doesn't mean that Queen or Queen-related music is dead. In the space of the last 10 years, while BOC has one new studio album (plus Cult Classic), Queen has had a number of wonderful albums, including _Made in Heaven_ and numerous solo projects. Recently, a new Queen single was released by the remaining three members AND Brian May's new album is going to be released in June. The Queen Mailing List is hardly dead. It has had a lot more new music to discuss than this wonderful group has had. Please before careful about making generalizations. The Gumby Man has spoken! Thomas Nelson 8th Grade Core Teacher McKinleyville Middle School A Deep Thought by Jack Handey: "The face of a child can say it all, especially the mouth part of the face." From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Mar 16 12:15:01 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 01:15:01 +0800 Subject: Hawkwind/Babylon 5 link Message-ID: Hi all A friend of mine recently bought a Babylon 5 model kit (I think it was called Star Fury?). One of the stickers that goes on the kit is virtually identical to the Hawkwind design on the Levitation cover. The only difference is that they have swapped the outline of the spacesuit for what looks like UFO's. The actual hawk looks the same! It wouldn't surprise me if the designer is a fan. William From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 16 12:29:04 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:29:04 GMT Subject: OFF: Queen mailing list (was Heaven Forbid) In-Reply-To: Thomas Nelson's message of Sun, 15 Mar 1998 08:24:22 -0800 Message-ID: Thomas Nelson writes: > I have to take a little exception to this. While it is true that Freddie > Mercury has died, it certainly doesn't mean that Queen or Queen-related > music is dead. It's been dead ever since Seven Seas of Rhye. Mercury should have been exhumed and shot with the rest of the band for the song used as the Highlander Theme. Speaking of which, there's some very Tangerine Dream style music used during Highlander episodes, surely that can't be Queen? > Thomas Nelson FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 16 12:26:57 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:26:57 GMT Subject: Silver Machine CD [Legend] In-Reply-To: Andrew Dawson's message of Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:02:47 +0000 Message-ID: Andrew Dawson writes: > At 11:01 12/03/98 GMT, you wrote: > >Is it possible that this is a rerelease of "Early Daze"? The tracks > >match up apart from "Gaga" on Andy Dawson's site. Do you have the CD to > >check Andy? > > > >I'll now offer 2 ordinary CD's in trade for anyone who nails this one > >for me... > > > >FoFP > > > > > Yes they are most definitely the same. Not sure where Gaga comes into it > though as it is not on either CD or mentioned on my site under these > releases. Perhaps you are confusing it with the Bring me the head of Yuri > Gagarin release. Gaga, which is the couple of minutes at the start og YG is also prior (though not listed) to In The Egg on Early Daze and also presumably the Legend compilation. > Speaking of which I reckon BMTHOYG and In the Beginning (Reissued as > Masters of the Universe) are the same . Looks like I was wrong about Rock Legends though, Dream of Isis appears only on the cassette album. > Andy FoFP From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Mar 16 10:51:40 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:51:40 +0000 Subject: Doug Smith In-Reply-To: <199803152338.KAA23398@mcegate.fujitsu.com.au> Message-ID: In article <199803152338.KAA23398 at mcegate.fujitsu.com.au>, Martyn Lawrence writes >Paul has gone overseas with work I believe,the last thing I know was that >Brock & Co wanted to come ,but didn't have the loot.So they would have had to >pay for their airfares etc,but brock wanted the cash for a new lyric book or >something like that. Has the entire project been abandoned then, over some petty cash for a lyric book? Excuse me, but this seems a little pissant for the mighty Hawks. I get the feeling a little plot-losing has been happening of late. -- Jon From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Mar 16 12:44:23 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 01:44:23 +0800 Subject: OFF: Queen mailing list (was Heaven Forbid) Message-ID: >Thomas Nelson writes: > >> I have to take a little exception to this. While it is true that Freddie >> Mercury has died, it certainly doesn't mean that Queen or Queen-related >> music is dead. > >It's been dead ever since Seven Seas of Rhye. Mercury should have been >exhumed and shot with the rest of the band for the song used as the >Highlander Theme. > I haven't been a big an of Queen since their first 4 albums, but I thought that song was better than a lot of the other material they released, such as The Game & Hot Space. >Speaking of which, there's some very Tangerine Dream style music used >during Highlander episodes, surely that can't be Queen? > Don't know about that, but some of the Flash Gordon soundtrack, as well as the last, untitled track on Made in Heaven, could easily be mistaken for TD. William From eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK Mon Mar 16 12:44:23 1998 From: eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK (eldritch) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:44:23 +0000 Subject: HW: Silver Machine video revisited/Legendary Pink Dots Message-ID: ;-) I had tickets for about 6 gigs on the Alien tour in 95.....still got most of them. I couldn't give them away at the time. In the end I had the worst flu ever.. The only reason I made it to one gig, was HW decided to their tour warmup at Workington in Cumbria... Just near enough for me to get to without dying.. Incredible...it was an experience anyway. It was at the Carnegie theatre, which is a little old music hall ;-) Mercifully we missed most of Captain Rizzzzz set.. The stage is titchy, and the lights were still rigged for a large venue.. The two dancers were hilarious, they had about an inch of stage, it was the funniest thing I've ever seen.. Every time the strobes came on, you were plastered against the back wall of the place... I was hallucinating because of the flu, helped along by the lights.... I think there was a sign somewhere saying beware epileptics... They did do cracking versions of Robot, Lord of Light, and Silver Machine though.. Ron Tree does a cracking Bob Calvert... I think the capacity of the venue is only about 200... If you think what Hawkwind would be like in pantomime.....this was it.. And the gig date isn't even on my tour t-shirt...boohoo. Rich My mate went to the London date and said it wash tosh so I'm glad I couldn't go in the end.. From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Mar 16 12:12:11 1998 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:12:11 -0500 Subject: HW/OFF: Ozrics' Dovetail CDs Message-ID: Keith, Bronzing of CD's is actually the aluminum substrate of the CD oxidizing. The reflectivity of the CD is affected by the bronzing (think of a silver mirror=nice, accurate reflection. Now, cover that mirror with a sheet of dark, transparent material that eats away at the silvering; it'll be OK for a while, before things get too bad, but in time, with the silvering being affected, the reflectivity ain't what it used to be). PDO seems to be the prime culprit for releasing CD's that fall prey to this problem, but seem to be pretty responsive about replacing defective CD's (all of my OT CD's are not affected by bronzing; don't know whether I was lucky and got a good batch or if it is because I treat all of my CD's like treasures...). Don't know the procedure for replacement, however, someone else will have to help you out... The reason why all of the old Dovetail CD's are coming out on Mad Snapper is that Dovetail is no more. And, while it existed, it is alleged that it screwed the OT's over to the point where they did not make a dime from the sales of their CD's. I do not remember all of the details of the problems with Dovetail, but Mad Snapper is going to release all of the OT back catalog over the next few months, with bonus tracks AND at mid-range prices (hopefully as US domestics, too! That should put 'em out for less than US$10.00!!). Sure would be nice if they went back and remastered the old cassette-only releases as well.... Richard at Cranium Music was the first to let the OT list know about the pending releases, maybe he should repeat that post here.... Get the other release by Ship Of Fools as well. That one be OUT THERE SOMEWHERE; nice NASA samples, along with Wizard Of Oz. Sadly, SoF is no more, but the band did spin off into Nine Invisibles, which has a release PUREHEADSPACE out on Delirium. Listened to it for the first time last weekend while painting the ceiling, not bad, not bad at all, but a little more dance-oriented than the SoF material ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Craig Shipley craigs at siemens-pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- -----Original Message----- From: Keith Henderson To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Saturday, March 14, 1998 1:02 AM Subject: HW/OFF: Ozrics' Dovetail CDs >Hey there folks... > >Well, as predicted, the list seems to be livening up again with the imminent >release of BOC's HF. (BTW, did anyone happen to see that the newest issue >of Goldmine contained a review of the new reissued AoF? Written by a guy >named Steve Roeser. I hope that the good review was based on true opinion >and not blatant nepotism.) :) > >Anyway, I'm interested in another topic. Over on r.m.p., people have been >mentioning how bad the quality is of their Ozrics' CDs on Dovetail. Those >comments hit home with me as I've got only one CD in my entire collection >that's completely unplayable. You guessed it...Pungent Effulgent. Before my >'good' CD player blew up on me (I think during an electrical storm/power >surge), I could play it on that one, but it has never been readable on my >older one. > >So there's definitely something to it. On r.m.p., they've also been >referring to part of the problem as 'bronzing,' which I guess alludes to the >coloration of the CD surface, esp. since both the unplayable PE and also >both discs of my Afterswish are very 'bronze' in color (the latter two play >just fine, at least for now). So my question...what is happening with these >discs and why? Will all bronzed CD's eventually become untrackable?? And >does the color really mean anything?? Aren't CD-R's that color to start with? > >The manufacturer appears to be PDO, who I guess is now developing a >reputation for putting out some lower quality discs. But then, someone >mentioned that they would replace these bronzed/defective CDs at no charge. >Anyone know how you'd go about this?? > >Keith H. (FAA) > >P.S. All my other OT discs seem o.k., even the other Dovetail ones, and of >course, the IRS & Snapper issues are all ok. > >P.P.S. I also heard that Snapper is going to be doing up some more of the >back catalog...not sure exactly why. Perhaps for bulk distribution to the >US of some of the rarer ones over here? > >ObCD: Ship of Fools - Close your eyes-Forget the World (this is *really* cool) > >P.P.P.S. Just got the Tubilah Dog disc. It's pretty decent...but not at >all what I expected. Lots of various types of tunes, some psychedelic, some >not. Neither of the two tracks from TAT are on it, nor is the music that >similar. Still don't know who the band really was at that time (it was >recorded in 1995), but the guests are listed! I think Steve Mills was the >groups' main member...perhaps it was just him and the named guests. >Apparently, Jerry Richards had nothing to do with it. Anybody know more?? > From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Mon Mar 16 15:06:56 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:06:56 -0500 Subject: Doug Smith Message-ID: i remember the lyricbook issue as being pro-aussie tour, not against. the gigs lined up were promising, and brock hoped to get the $$ for the book from the tour. the prob was getting the $$ to do it to begin with. rj Jon Browne wrote: > In article <199803152338.KAA23398 at mcegate.fujitsu.com.au>, Martyn > Lawrence writes > >Paul has gone overseas with work I believe,the last thing I know was that > >Brock & Co wanted to come ,but didn't have the loot.So they would have had to > >pay for their airfares etc,but brock wanted the cash for a new lyric book or > >something like that. > > Has the entire project been abandoned then, over some petty cash for a > lyric book? Excuse me, but this seems a little pissant for the mighty > Hawks. > > I get the feeling a little plot-losing has been happening of late. > > -- > Jon From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Mar 16 22:02:30 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:02:30 -0500 Subject: OFF: Queen Message-ID: Thomas rebuts... >I have to take a little exception to this. While it is true that Freddie >Mercury has died, it certainly doesn't mean that Queen or Queen-related >music is dead. In the space of the last 10 years, while BOC has one new >studio album (plus Cult Classic), Queen has had a number of wonderful >albums, including _Made in Heaven_ and numerous solo projects. Recently, a >new Queen single was released by the remaining three members AND Brian >May's new album is going to be released in June. Well, I don't give much of a hoot about anything Queen has done as a band, but I've been a fan of Roger Taylor's work for a very long time; well, ever since Fun in Space I suppose. Anyway, I've always struggled to pick up his discs (including the three 'The Cross' CDs), which are nearly always difficult to find. Unfortunately, not all of them have been worth the effort...still I keep the faith. Anyway, I've seen just recently a disc (on Maze Records) credited to Taylor entitled 'Clock Interview,' and wasn't sure if this was: A. a new solo album by Taylor, B. an interview disc (thinking that the word 'interview' might be used literally here), or C. something by that Duran Duran guy. Anybody know?? I've also seen mention of an album called 'Foreign Sand' by Roger Taylor and Yoshiki (whoever that might be?? Another Yoko Ono perhaps?) :) So what's this?? And also one called 'Taylor Made,' which I guess is some live stuff and some edits of older songs. Didn't seem essential anyway. I've always sort of connected Taylor's style and talent-sparse guitar playing with that of Dave Brock, and I suppose that's why it appeals so much to this listener. Brian May is sort of like Huwy then, a nice touch but really besides the point. :) To be serious, I think May is quite unique and at times uses a 'lack of cleanliness' (or whatever) as an attribute rather than a deficiency, in kind of the same way I detect in Jimmy Page's and (gasp) even (GnR) Slash's playing. (Taylor isn't a good enough gtr player to do this on purpose...he just believes wholeheartedly in Iommian power chords.) The problem with Queen is that first, Taylor only plays drums for the most part, and second, I've never been a fan of Mercury's. If they were to continue on as a three-piece with Taylor being the frontman/rhythm guitarist/vocalist, then I'd buy their work immediately! (Who wrote the new single, and is it a sign that this may actually happen?) Keith H. (FAA) P.S. I refrain from using RT as an abbreviation, since it seems that RT is already claimed by Richard Thompson. Maybe QRT is acceptable?? ObCD: Embryo - Opal (Damn right, Scott...a must have....Amon Duul II, Agitation Free, and Kraan all rolled into one) From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Mar 17 06:00:00 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:00:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Silver Machine video revisited/Legendary Pink Dots In-Reply-To: eldritch's mail of Mon, 16 Mar 98 17:44 +0000 Message-ID: On 16 Mar 17:44, eldritch wrote: > My mate went to the London date and said it wash tosh so I'm glad I > couldn't go in the end.. I didn't enjoy the Alien tour, but the Love In Space mini-tour was excellent. I also like the albums (even though the LiS album was recorded on the Alien tour). They should drop the alien imagery in new material though. I reckon they've exhausted this thread. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Tue Mar 17 09:42:04 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:42:04 +0000 Subject: HW: Videos In-Reply-To: <5024551510031998/A17649/LNMV02/11C353F71700@LNAL01> Message-ID: Reply to Kevin: > >> PS: I know I'm a bit biased here, 'cos I filmed half of the Brixton >> '92 video, but I rather like it! Does anybody else? > >Yes, I surely did! What's next for Taste, Hawkwind-wise? And how do I go >about getting the "updated" Treworgey Tree Fayre video, and the '89 Brixton >Calvert tribute video? > >Kevin Sommers Hi Kevin, Sorry, but I haven't been in touch with Taste productions for years, the Brixton video was the only thing that I did with them. As far as I know, all the Taste footage went to the band (I think Doug has it now) so there will be no more Taste HW videos. That said, I'm sure that Taste will still release Harvey's CDs and vids of other bands. In so far as other footage goes, I filmed the band (all official, etc) at the following gigs, all with one camera mounted on a tripod, but lets face it, at a gig we've only got one pair of eyes!: Hemmel Hempstead Teepee tour 1992 * Reading University, Teepee tour 1992 Brixton Acadamy (Taste vid) 1992 Kilburn National Ballroom 1992 Truro County Hall April 1993 * Agincourt Club, Camberly 1993 Brixton Acadamy 1993 * Town and Country club 1993 Thames University,Slough 1993 * Brixton Fridge, 1994 Borehamwood Alien Tour, 1995 * (Assassins is quite superb on this one) Love in Space Promo video single 1997 (Mixed with Doug Smith & Tony Korlander) Most of the above are pretty good, but the ones with the (*) I reckon are with releasing, in part or whole. The best of the lot is the Slough 1993, the gig where Business Trip was recorded, even though it is only one camera, I had mixing desk sound, and the light show was very bright. The trouble is, I can't release them without permission from the band. Likewise the band can't put them out without my permission (no problems in that respect!), and no-way will I copy them for anybody - ha! Even though I am not contractually obliged, I am morally obliged not to make copies. So if anybody wants to see some footage from recent years, put some pressureon the band/management - who knows? Guy Thomas From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Mar 17 10:36:47 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:36:47 -0600 Subject: BOC: Baltic Review Message-ID: Good one John; sounds like an excellent time was had by all. Maybe the set list will improve over the next few months or change completely once the album is actually released. With Danny's quote, sounds like very little time for practicing or much else lately. Ghost in the Ruins (I still think the cover doesn't say anything BOC'ish) From tnelson at HUMBOLDT.K12.CA.US Mon Mar 16 11:16:21 1998 From: tnelson at HUMBOLDT.K12.CA.US (Thomas Nelson) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:16:21 -0800 Subject: Queen, R. Taylor In-Reply-To: <199803171000.FAA02106@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: >I've also seen mention of an album called 'Foreign Sand' by Roger Taylor and >Yoshiki (whoever that might be?? Another Yoko Ono perhaps?) :) Actually, "Foreign Sand" is a single from the _Happiness?_ album. >>It's been dead ever since Seven Seas of Rhye. Mercury should have been >>exhumed and shot with the rest of the band for the song used as the >>Highlander Theme. Alright, am I the only one who feels this is a little insensitive? I noticed that nobody else really cared or shocked about this statement. Of course, nobody from BOC has died, so maybe it isn't relevant. These sort of views aren't why I am on this list. I am here because NORMALLY we have good, honest, and critical discussion. No longer, hmmm? Maybe it is time for the Gumby Man to leave this mailing list. Thomas Nelson 8th Grade Core Teacher McKinleyville Middle School A Deep Thought by Jack Handey: "The face of a child can say it all, especially the mouth part of the face." From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Mar 17 11:30:39 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:30:39 +0800 Subject: Queen, R. Taylor Message-ID: >>>It's been dead ever since Seven Seas of Rhye. Mercury should have been >>>exhumed and shot with the rest of the band for the song used as the >>>Highlander Theme. > >Alright, am I the only one who feels this is a little insensitive? I >noticed that nobody else really cared or shocked about this statement. Of >course, nobody from BOC has died, so maybe it isn't relevant. These sort >of views aren't why I am on this list. I am here because NORMALLY we have >good, honest, and critical discussion. No longer, hmmm? > >Maybe it is time for the Gumby Man to leave this mailing list. > I agree that this was in rather poor taste, and I also see nothing wrong with this song. This was when I feel the band was just starting to get back on their feet with good music, after years of catering to the top 40 scene. William From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Mar 17 10:46:14 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:46:14 EDT Subject: Queen, R. Taylor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >From: Thomas Nelson > > Alright, am I the only one who feels this is a little insensitive? I > noticed that nobody else really cared or shocked about this statement. Of > course, nobody from BOC has died, so maybe it isn't relevant. These sort > of views aren't why I am on this list. I am here because NORMALLY we have > good, honest, and critical discussion. No longer, hmmm? > Geez, dude. Chill a little. Maybe nobody responded 'cause there aren't a lot of Queen fans on the list? Isn't that our right? I think Queen was a pertty good band, I just didn't see it as an issue worth fighting for. If you're lonely for email, just write something negative about Rush on this list, and I guarantee things'll heat up for ya! As for no fatalities in BOC, one could argue that the whole band died when they ousted Al, or when Schenck took over running the band. Last year, somebody kidnaped EB's voice, but luckily it escaped... theo From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Mar 17 04:15:23 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:15:23 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind/Babylon 5 link In-Reply-To: <017401bd50ff$0eda1de0$c4453bcb@xl5.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: In article <017401bd50ff$0eda1de0$c4453bcb at xl5.iinet.net.au>, William Duffy writes >It wouldn't surprise me if the designer is a fan. or a thief. -- Jon From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Mar 17 16:01:11 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:01:11 -0800 Subject: BOC: HF, No sign at Tower's Message-ID: John Swartz in case your keeping track. March 98 release poster available at my local Tower Records does not list HF for March 24. Motorhead and UFO listings appear for the earlier part of the month but zero references to BOC. I'm still planning to hit Best Buy first as they stock a great deal of CMC discs; at a minimum it will be $2-3 less than Towers price anyway. Now if only I can get this Sevendust CD to play in my new laptop... L8er Ghost in the Ruins OB thought - Are we now into bashing Queen? I know someone who may not like this, that's two (Rush being the other) of his favorite bands as targets. What pray tell is wrong with Hot Space? That sucker lit up the disco scenes back then; I oughta know. From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Mar 17 16:51:20 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:51:20 -0500 Subject: HW: (or NW:) Armour for everybody Message-ID: Does anyone have the exact transcript of what was said in SR1994 for this? This is my best attempt and I fear it is way off.... Less for mad? we have an anouncement to make this anouncement is based on the idea that you all are wearing your own armor armor is why you yell at people, the defense is to shout before you're attacked and your armor is very valuable to you... do you understand what it's really like to need some armor? even more important is that you don't navigate in space wearing incorrect armor if you give yourself up it will destroy you your armor is speaking to them it's very strong we bow down to this fantastic armor but once you put it on it's almost impossible to remove so... wear it very carefully and then it will protect you against all your enemies especially.... yourself. who trusts you? it's not the armor so your armor should be careful to be in perfect condition... any weaknesses should be reported imediately because your armor really will protect you and we want you to be very safe don't we? we don't want you to be... hurt.... we don't want you to implode as you leave this space vehicle I've seen it happen it's very ugly but your armor will protect you from all forms of danger very safe my armor protects me safely from the void safely from what I thought I used to be me.... my armor... is killing me.... my armor... IS KILLING.... MY ARMOR...... IIISSSSS..... KILLLLIINNNGGG MMMEEEEE!!!!! KKKKIIIILLLLLLL!!!!!!! MMMEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!! KILL ME!!!!!! +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Mar 17 17:49:10 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:49:10 -0000 Subject: HW: (or NW:) Armour for everybody Message-ID: On Tuesday, March 17, 1998 9:51 PM, Andrew A. Apold [SMTP:mordru at MAGG.NET] wrote: > my armor... > is killing me.... > my armor... > IS KILLING.... > MY ARMOR...... > IIISSSSS..... > KILLLLIINNNGGG MMMEEEEE!!!!! > KKKKIIIILLLLLLL!!!!!!! > MMMEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!! > KILL ME!!!!!! > What you may not know, and what I'm sure MM is aware of, is a famous TV commercial from the 70s for ladies' undergarments, which featured the tag-line "my girdle's killing me!". To which the wearer was told to try the advertiser's product. I'm sure there's some sad people out there who can tell you more about it! :) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mumford at ONLINE.NO Tue Mar 17 21:00:19 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 03:00:19 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind electric library Message-ID: My armor has an announcement to make.... I've scanned in some neat Hawkwind stuff, comics, paperbacks, rarely seen pics from UG papers, even how to build yer own friggin Hawkwind kite! Who wouldn't want that?? Plus the only Norwegian translation of a Michael Moorcock novel. Go here: http://www.login.eunet.no/~christmu/hawkwind.html Its an extremely basic site, but I will dress it up and expand it in time. I have no idea why Netscape refuses to show me background colors or .gifs but oh well. So its all boring looking now till I fix that. Christian From talger at PIPELINE.COM Wed Mar 18 00:25:02 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:25:02 -0500 Subject: BOC: shows In-Reply-To: <199803122220.WAA02247@LAGUNA-01.laguna.com.mx> Message-ID: so who's going to the shows in April? for those that don't know... April 16 Richmond VA - don't remember the name of the club, but owned by the same people that own Jaxx I've been told April 17 Springfield VA - Jaxx (AB? you gonna be there?) April 18 Baltimore MD - apparently at a place called Mickey's thinking of taking friday off and doing a triple header! I'm gonna see both shows Friday night in Akron so I figure 5 shows in less than a month...why not? Ted From AgentOF at AOL.COM Wed Mar 18 01:29:14 1998 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Agent OF) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:29:14 EST Subject: BOC: shows Message-ID: Yes, and the 18th is also the date for the BBQ East in Baltimore. Tentative plans are to all get together during the afternoon somewhere, we are still working on that. Other things we are working on: 1. To get Too Hip For The Room to play an acoustic set 2. Have it covered by some press 3. Maybe a few special guests! Sounds like it's going to be a lot of fun. chuck http://www.j-and-a.com/rose.htm Miracles DO Happen, Take One The Ricky Browning Benefit Concert Featuring the Buck Dharma Band From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Mar 18 02:58:20 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:58:20 +0800 Subject: Hawkwind/Babylon 5 link Message-ID: >In article <017401bd50ff$0eda1de0$c4453bcb at xl5.iinet.net.au>, William >Duffy writes >>It wouldn't surprise me if the designer is a fan. > >or a thief. I suspect a fan who has thought no-one will notice, thus plagiarised the symbol, as it is virtually identical. William From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Mar 18 04:35:00 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:35:00 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind/Babylon 5 link In-Reply-To: William Duffy's mail of Wed, 18 Mar 98 15:58 +0800 Message-ID: On 18 Mar 07:58, William Duffy wrote: > >In article <017401bd50ff$0eda1de0$c4453bcb at xl5.iinet.net.au>, William > >Duffy writes > >>It wouldn't surprise me if the designer is a fan. > > > >or a thief. > > I suspect a fan who has thought no-one will notice, thus plagiarised the > symbol, as it is virtually identical. Maybe s/he's a fan who thought other HW fans would think it cool to see the HW logo there. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Mar 18 04:38:00 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:38:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Videos In-Reply-To: LN1GJT's mail of Tue, 17 Mar 98 14:42 +0000 Message-ID: On 17 Mar 14:42, LN1GJT wrote: > Most of the above are pretty good, but the ones with the (*) I reckon are with > releasing, in part or whole. The best of the lot is the Slough 1993, the gig > where Business Trip was recorded, even though it is only one camera, I had > mixing desk sound, and the light show was very bright. That would be excellent, IMO. The 1993 tour was very good, with a varied light show and dancers. It would make a pleasant change to have a HW video in which you can actually see the light show and hear clear sound. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 18 04:20:13 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:20:13 +0000 Subject: HW : New Verve Video (ON TOPIC!) Message-ID: I read with some amusement, the new Verve video collection is to be called, This Is The Verve : Do Not Panic They used to be a spacerock band, you know No, really! -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 18 04:27:37 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:27:37 +0000 Subject: Queen, R. Taylor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Thomas Nelson writes > >Alright, am I the only one who feels this is a little insensitive? I >noticed that nobody else really cared or shocked about this statement. erm, no. No-one manifestly thought (the other) Dead Fred warranted defending. I'm pretty sure yer Fred wouldn't have taken umbridge either. > Of >course, nobody from BOC has died, so maybe it isn't relevant. 'cept fofp's here's for the HW and we have lost our beloved Bob. Still joke 'em if they can't take a fuck, eh? When ye get te our age, laddie, ye have te laugh at death.... >These sort >of views aren't why I am on this list. I am here because NORMALLY we have >good, honest, and critical discussion. This is good, honest, critical discussion. You must bear in mind this is not a Queen list. Most of us are going to be like "underground" types, at least in our musical taste. When discussing Queen on this list, descent into invective is going to be quite hard to avoid. "no really, I thought We Are The Champions was really jolly good!" "but surely Fat-Bottomed Girls says more about the nature of human sexuality?" "Thrice Nay!!! The one about Wanting To Ride His Bicycle was etc etc." One thing you could say about Mercury was the man had a good sense of humour and didn't take himself over seriously. dreadful band, though. blah -- Jon From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Mar 18 06:29:00 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:29:00 +0000 Subject: Queen, R. Taylor In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's mail of Wed, 18 Mar 98 09:27 +0000 Message-ID: On 18 Mar 09:27, Jon Browne wrote: > "no really, I thought We Are The Champions was really jolly good!" > "but surely Fat-Bottomed Girls says more about the nature of human > sexuality?" > "Thrice Nay!!! The one about Wanting To Ride His Bicycle was etc etc." I rather like the lyrics to "Lap of the Gods", myself. "Oh wa, la la la, woh, wa wa wa ooh", to me, signifies the profoundity of the human soul. > dreadful band, though. Oh I dunno. Queen II was a pretty good album, for its day. Of course, it hasn't lasted as well as Space Ritual. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Mar 18 06:39:52 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 07:39:52 EDT Subject: Queen, R. Taylor In-Reply-To: <199803181129.LAA19063@abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: > From: Dave Berry > On 18 Mar 09:27, Jon Browne wrote: > > "no really, I thought We Are The Champions was really jolly good!" > > "but surely Fat-Bottomed Girls says more about the nature of human > > sexuality?" I always liked the way high-school sports teams embraced the song 'We Are the Champions,' using it as an entrance song etc. Where could you find a bigger bunch of homophobes? I wish Freddie had come out about a year after the song came out! theo From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Mar 18 08:48:40 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:48:40 +0800 Subject: Queen, R. Taylor Message-ID: >On 18 Mar 09:27, Jon Browne wrote: >> "no really, I thought We Are The Champions was really jolly good!" >> "but surely Fat-Bottomed Girls says more about the nature of human >> sexuality?" >> "Thrice Nay!!! The one about Wanting To Ride His Bicycle was etc etc." > >I rather like the lyrics to "Lap of the Gods", myself. "Oh wa, la la la, >woh, wa wa wa ooh", to me, signifies the profoundity of the human soul. > >> dreadful band, though. > >Oh I dunno. Queen II was a pretty good album, for its day. >Of course, it hasn't lasted as well as Space Ritual. > I rather liked Sheer Heart Attack, my personal favourite, as well as their first album. I think they started to go downhill (for me, at least) after A Night at the Opera. Most bands seem to go downhill when they have a mega-hit! William From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Mar 18 09:05:24 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:05:24 -0500 Subject: ADMIN: Spammed Message-ID: I'm sure most of you have seen this already... >I have a document that can place you in the top 10 >listings of the search engines. > >Simply fill out the form below and mail it in to me along with >$5.00 US CASH and I will e-mail the files to you. Wow...our list is being spammed!! We've been noticed!! Yee-haw! (What happens if 11 people send in $5, not that that's likely?? Can they *all* be listed in the Top 10?? Well, I guess maybe they could, you know, 'Well, this goes one higher.') :) Keith H. (FAA) P.S. Watch out! Spiny Norman may be coming our way next....Dinnnnssssdale. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Mar 18 09:41:14 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:41:14 -0000 Subject: Queen, R. Taylor Message-ID: On Wednesday, March 18, 1998 11:40 AM, Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 [SMTP:tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU] wrote: > > I always liked the way high-school sports teams embraced the song 'We > Are the Champions,' using it as an entrance song etc. Where could > you find a bigger bunch of homophobes? I wish Freddie had come out > about a year after the song came out! > theo I liked the way they used it at the Labour party conference, and Neil Kinnock & co sang along with "no time for losers". -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Mar 18 09:44:54 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 06:44:54 -0800 Subject: BOC: Gig Dates, Queen Message-ID: Ted A.>so who's going to the shows in April? for those that don't know... April 16 Richmond VA - don't remember the name of the club, but owned by the same people that own Jaxx I've been told April 17 Springfield VA - Jaxx (AB? you gonna be there?) April 18 Baltimore MD - apparently at a place called Mickey's thinking of taking friday off and doing a triple header! I'm gonna see both shows Friday night in Akron so I figure 5 shows in less than a month...why not? Ted, book me baby "I'd Like to See You at Jaxx". Easy to see the guys right after the gig too. They skipped Jaxx Oct 97 and I wondered if they would ever play my fave dive again. Won't be hard to spot I usually wear all black to BOC shows and at Jaxx I will be "unique", trust me. BTW unless I have a serious mishap I'll be wearing my King's X - Ear Candy T-shirt. Theo>As for no fatalities in BOC, one could argue that the whole band died when they ousted Al, or when Schenck took over running the band. Last year, somebody kidnaped EB's voice, but luckily it escaped... Theo I can't tell if your sense of humor is creeping in. BTW all hail Eyes Bloom, will be great to see him step up to the mike, literally of course. Gumby Man>Alright, am I the only one who feels this is a little insensitive? I noticed that nobody else really cared or shocked about this statement. Of course, nobody from BOC has died, so maybe it isn't relevant. These sort of views aren't why I am on this list. I am here because NORMALLY we have good, honest, and critical discussion. No longer, hmmm? Don't think so man. I think the fellas were just funnin' but sometimes what's fun for one can be offensive to someone else. I fall on your side of the coin. I loved this band and was saddened by Freddie's passing. Nothing I would make jokes about. Oh to close out, as long ago promised but never delivered, here's the info you wanted Theo on Hocus Pocus Live (You probably had this one for weeks now but what the hell, a promise is a promise.) The Hocus Pocus live players are Gary, Glen Sobel, drums, Ray Riendeau, bass Studio songs Tony Franklin, bass, Gregg Bissonette, drums "Tele Like It Is," Frankie Banali drums Hocus remix. L8er Ghost in the Ruins "Isn't sanity just a one trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking. But when your good and crazy the sky's the limit." -The Tick OBCD - Sevendust, Sevendust (very Galactic Cowboyish) From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 18 04:54:51 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:54:51 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind/Babylon 5 link In-Reply-To: <199803180935.JAA18853@abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <199803180935.JAA18853 at abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk>, Dave Berry writes > >Maybe s/he's a fan who thought other HW fans would think it cool to >see the HW logo there. > >Dave. >-- It's possible but betcha it's a swipe. Sorry to be so cynical, but every other day some "ad" person or graphic "designer" comes into my (comics & sci-fi) shop looking for the "right" robot or spaceship for some project they're getting $50,000 for. They'll spend two hours going through the entire stock, monopoloise my time saying "that's not it" repeatedly, eventually spend 50c, then procede to copy the picture outright. It doesn't occur to them they are stealing another artists work. They call it "reference material". but yes of course it's true, it could be a fan. The Verve obviously are! -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 18 04:55:44 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:55:44 +0000 Subject: BOC: HF, No sign at Tower's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , "BREVARD, Adrian R." writes >OB thought - Are we now into bashing Queen? MMmm please! :-) -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 18 04:58:32 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:58:32 +0000 Subject: HW: (or NW:) Armour for everybody In-Reply-To: <01BD51F7.230A6E20.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: In article <01BD51F7.230A6E20.Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com>, Andy Gilham writes >I'm sure there's some sad people out there who can tell you more about it! >:) > >-Andy Gulp! I forgot my 18-hour Armour! Silly me! I have it on! Playtex - Armour for Everyday. So comfortable, you'll forget you have it on. -- Jon The White Album. Charlie was right, they *are* saying things..... From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed Mar 18 11:50:26 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:50:26 +0100 Subject: BOC: HF, No sign at Tower's Message-ID: Aw, give Queen a break ;) I advise anyone here to check out the Flash Gordon soundtrack! Christian PS: Rush sucks! yeah! > >OB thought - Are we now into bashing Queen? > > > MMmm please! :-) > -- > Jon From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Mar 18 11:59:21 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:59:21 -0500 Subject: Heaven Forbid In-Reply-To: <199803132058.PAA04920@st-canard.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Stephen Swann wrote: > I suppose it could be worse. This could be the Jimi Hendrix mailing > list. Or worse, the Queen mailing list. Imagine if Eric really had Actually, Hendrix has released far more material than BOC since his death. (My poor wallet can attest to this fact.) And that's *official releases*. If you count bootlegs, BOC would probably have to crank out an album every week from now until the end of the universe to catch up. ;-) I'm sure a Hendrix mailing list would be very lively indeed (no pun intended:) regarding new release discussion. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Free, _Live_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Wed Mar 18 11:01:55 1998 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:01:55 +0200 Subject: OFF: Fu Manchu Review Message-ID: FU MANCHU and Spiritual Beggars- LILLE VEGA, K?benhavn 3/13/98 I rode my bike across town (4.5 km) to the show and that was not too bad. I am just getting back in shape for bike riding after taking the winter off, which has turned out to be very mild and it is now colder than I was in most of Jan and Feb! The weather does not stop the danes, they ride the bike even when it is snowing, rainging, hailing.... When I got there the only people at the show were swedes who had invaded from Helsingborg, Malmo and other citites close to the border. I had a nice chat with some of them. They were very curious to talk to an american and get his point of view and see what music I was into. They were a bit bummed though that I had seen bands like the Melvins, Butthole Surfers, Nirvana, and they never had, since most of those bands don't come to sweden and they are just now coming to age to be able to travel to denmark to see shows. They were all getting totally hammered on danish beer and smoking tons of cigs... A lot of these swedish kids chew tobacco and have no clue as to how dangerous it is. So the Spiritual Beggars hit the stage at 10 and rocked the place! I was really blown away by them and liked them a lot. I had been listening to their first CD (they did not play anything off it) and Another Way to Shine, which I really like a lot. They might not have played anything off this one either! Since Another way to shine they have added a organ player and percussionist, but they fit well into the sound. It is a heavy organ, like the old Uriah Heep or some of the organ fromAtomic Rooster, mixed with 70's influenced metal. The singer had a great style. I was pretty impressed with their 45 min set. It seemed like they would just play the songs like they are on the CD, but the last tune, Mushroom Tea Girl, they stretched out to 10m and the bass player/singer came off the stage and played in the crowd, which was cool. Good band! Being that they are swedish, they spoke to the crowd in swedish, since most danes can understand them, but at this point in the evening at least 50% of the crowd seemed to be from sweden! The set list was: We won't be Back Euphoria Send me a Smile Wine Mushroom Tea Girl Fu Manchu wasted no time getting started and hit the stage right at 11 with a heavy short instrumental number before blasting to numbers off the new CD, the Action is Go, and numbers off In Search of.. I think they did regal Begal, Asphal Risin', Redline, Supershooter and a lot off the new one, like Saturn 3. They did not do Godzilla, which kind of suprised me. I asked Scott Hill before the show if they had ever played Chevy Van live and he said never, only played in rehearsal. I mentioned that it seemed like it would be a fun tune for them to play and he agreed. Who knows if they will do it. Anyway, they were very loud and heavy and the crowd was really into them. They were the best when they varied a bit in the way some of the songs were done. At times a lot of their guitar riffs sounda lot a like. Very good and aggressive set of music. I still like the former guitar lead guitar player better as he had a more twisted fuzzed out tone, but this guy is getting closer to that sound than when I saw them last year. They played for 60m total, including the encore, so it was a short set. Great recordings of both bands were made! Scott ObCs- Ugly Custard- s/t (UK 1971) R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 38 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Mar 18 12:03:11 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:03:11 -0000 Subject: BOC: HF, No sign at Tower's Message-ID: On Wednesday, March 18, 1998 4:50 PM, reset [SMTP:mumford at ONLINE.NO] wrote: > Aw, give Queen a break ;) I advise anyone here to check out the Flash > Gordon soundtrack! Instant credibility loss for Christian here! :) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 18 10:25:20 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:25:20 +0000 Subject: Queen, R. Taylor In-Reply-To: <01BD527C.1E07EC60.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: In article <01BD527C.1E07EC60.Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com>, Andy Gilham writes >I liked the way they used it at the Labour party conference, and Neil >Kinnock & co sang along with "no time for losers". > >-Andy hee! -- Jon From johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM Wed Mar 18 12:08:41 1998 From: johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:08:41 +0100 Subject: ADMIN: Spammed Message-ID: >>I have a document that can place you in the top 10 >>listings of the search engines. >> [snip] >Wow...our list is being spammed!! We've been noticed!! Yee-haw! > >(What happens if 11 people send in $5, not that that's likely?? Can they >*all* be listed in the Top 10?? Well, I guess maybe they could, you know, >'Well, this goes one higher.') :) send a 20MB core dump instead. or make it on topic; send a complete audio file of Yuri Gagarin. >Keith H. (FAA) -joe From dlandste at WORLDRAMP.NET Wed Mar 18 12:10:19 1998 From: dlandste at WORLDRAMP.NET (Dennis Landstedt) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:10:19 -0500 Subject: BOC: HF, No sign at Tower's In-Reply-To: <01BD528F.E65D0A20.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Hear! Hear!!!! Point well proven !!!!!!! makes me want to go rent the Flash Gordon soundtrack again! On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, Andy Gilham wrote: > On Wednesday, March 18, 1998 4:50 PM, reset [SMTP:mumford at ONLINE.NO] wrote: > > Aw, give Queen a break ;) I advise anyone here to check out the Flash > > Gordon soundtrack! > > Instant credibility loss for Christian here! :) > > -Andy > > -- > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed Mar 18 12:29:52 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:29:52 +0100 Subject: BOC: HF, No sign at Tower's Message-ID: > > Aw, give Queen a break ;) I advise anyone here to check out the Flash > > Gordon soundtrack! Amon Kewl writes: > Instant credibility loss for Christian here! :) > > -Andy Credibility schmudicribbibbelytyy! I've defended Queen in the past on this list in the midst of heated Rush bashing. You just don't want to to admit to ever liking "uncool" stuff. ;) C'mon, Huw and Brian May are equally original sounding/noodling guitarists, and Huw had a MUCH worse haircut in his time. I got my mom into rock music in general by giving her all my old Queen tapes too, so something good came out of my poor taste ;) Christian From John.McCartney at CORP.SUN.COM Wed Mar 18 12:35:37 1998 From: John.McCartney at CORP.SUN.COM (John McCartney) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:35:37 -0800 Subject: Hawkwind/Babylon 5 link Message-ID: Actually, if you take a good look at it, and if you know anything at all about the character who's fighter that is, you'll see that it's the Russian Imperial Eagle. Eagles that look like that have been used for hundreds of years in European heraldry, especially Russian and German/Austrian. So no, not a ripoff of nor even a tip of the hat to the Hawks..... scorch From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Mar 18 12:43:02 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:43:02 +0800 Subject: Hawkwind/Babylon 5 link Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: John McCartney To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 1:41 Subject: Re: Hawkwind/Babylon 5 link >Actually, if you take a good look at it, and if you know anything at >all about the character who's fighter that is, you'll see that it's >the Russian Imperial Eagle. Eagles that look like that have been used >for hundreds of years in European heraldry, especially Russian and >German/Austrian. So no, not a ripoff of nor even a tip of the hat to >the Hawks..... > The model kit symbol I saw looks like a rip off to me. It's the same symbol as the hawk seen on the inside cover of the Levitation CD. The one above the spacesuit outline. I'm looking around to find images of it. William From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Mar 18 12:48:20 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:48:20 -0000 Subject: BOC: HF, No sign at Tower's Message-ID: On Wednesday, March 18, 1998 5:30 PM, reset [SMTP:mumford at ONLINE.NO] wrote: > Credibility schmudicribbibbelytyy! I've defended Queen in the past on > this > list in the midst of heated Rush bashing. You just don't want to to admit > to ever liking "uncool" stuff. ;) Who was it who just bought _Ray of Light_? Who defends the Spice Girls at every opportunity? Who is it who has a Celine Dion record??? (Am I asking for it or what? :) (BTW, not the Celine Dion record with the Jim Steinman Meat-Loaf-reject songs! There are limits! :) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET Wed Mar 18 13:08:15 1998 From: walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET (Walrus) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 13:08:15 -0500 Subject: HW : New Verve Video (ON TOPIC!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, Jon Browne wrote: > I read with some amusement, the new Verve video collection is to be > called, > > This Is The Verve : Do Not Panic > > They used to be a spacerock band, you know > No, really! > -- > Jon > The mid-80s seemed to spawn those kinds of titles: also, Devo's Oh no, It's Devo.. umm wal ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______ " The gentle madness Walrus _______\_ has touched my hand walrus at neuron.net /__\O/__/= Now I'm just a _|\ .^. Cosmic Man ... " .. spacing out | \_/ by spacing in .. From walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET Wed Mar 18 13:10:36 1998 From: walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET (Walrus) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 13:10:36 -0500 Subject: HW: On the edge again Message-ID: I listened to WotEoT and even though Kings of Speed is a fitting end to the piece, it still feels kinda out of place there, like it was slapped on the end for good measure. that was my first thought, but it really is a fitting end to the album, almost a "normal" song compared to the other tracks. wal ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______ " The gentle madness Walrus _______\_ has touched my hand walrus at neuron.net /__\O/__/= Now I'm just a _|\ .^. Cosmic Man ... " .. spacing out | \_/ by spacing in .. From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed Mar 18 13:07:48 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 19:07:48 +0100 Subject: Fu Manchu Review Message-ID: >They were a bit bummed > though that I had seen bands like the Melvins, Butthole Surfers, Nirvana, > and they never had, I've seen both Nirvana and Melvins in Oslo... (granted Nirvana is awhile ago - obviously... ;) >since most of those bands don't come to sweden and they > are just now coming to age to be able to travel to denmark to see shows. > They were all getting totally hammered on danish beer and smoking tons of > cigs... A lot of these swedish kids chew tobacco and have no clue as to how > dangerous it is. Take away the snus from the Swedes and the are no longer swedes... it was actually a heated political issue when entering EU. Now Sweden are an exception to EU restrictions as regards snuff/baccy. I am sure they know it can be dangerous as there are warning labels. >Since Another way to shine they have added a organ player > and percussionist, but they fit well into the sound. It is a heavy organ, > like the old Uriah Heep or some of the organ fromAtomic Rooster, mixed with > 70's influenced metal. YEAH!!!! They did a really long freakout jam in Oslo and the organ guy went wild.... > Fu Manchu wasted no time getting started and hit the stage right at > 11 with a heavy short instrumental number before blasting to numbers off > the new CD, the Action is Go, and numbers off In Search of.. > I think they did regal Begal, Asphal Risin', Redline, Supershooter and a > lot off the new one, like Saturn 3. They did not do Godzilla, which kind > of suprised me. I yelled "Godzilla!" before the encore and they played Asphalt Risin' ;) I thought Spiritual Beggars were the better band of the two .... Christian From walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET Wed Mar 18 13:13:41 1998 From: walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET (Walrus) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 13:13:41 -0500 Subject: HW: Silver Machine video revisited In-Reply-To: <00f401bd4f79$40013520$cd3e3bcb@xl5.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: So are you telling me that Chaos/Night of the Hawks were a bad choice? wal ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______ " The gentle madness Walrus _______\_ has touched my hand walrus at neuron.net /__\O/__/= Now I'm just a _|\ .^. Cosmic Man ... " .. spacing out | \_/ by spacing in .. From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed Mar 18 13:12:52 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 19:12:52 +0100 Subject: BOC: HF, No sign at Tower's Message-ID: ok, ok, you convinced me of who's the coolest ;) ... and Meatloaf's Bat Out Of Hell rules! Christian NP: Flash Gordon - Queen > Who was it who just bought _Ray of Light_? > > Who defends the Spice Girls at every opportunity? > > Who is it who has a Celine Dion record??? > > (Am I asking for it or what? :) > > (BTW, not the Celine Dion record with the Jim Steinman Meat-Loaf-reject > songs! There are limits! :) > > -Andy > > -- > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed Mar 18 13:15:16 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 19:15:16 +0100 Subject: HW : New Verve Video (ON TOPIC!) Message-ID: > On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, Jon Browne wrote: > > This Is The Verve : Do Not Panic > > > > They used to be a spacerock band, you know > > No, really! > > -- > > Jon > > Walrus writes: > The mid-80s seemed to spawn those kinds of titles: also, Devo's Oh no, > It's Devo.. I blame Douglas Adams for lots of things. Christian From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed Mar 18 13:17:13 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 19:17:13 +0100 Subject: HW: Silver Machine video revisited Message-ID: Not me! I recommended them both as my favorite HW videos! Maybe not great filming etc. but the performances are very energetic/great.... IMO... Christian > So are you telling me that Chaos/Night of the Hawks were a bad choice? > > wal > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > _______ " The gentle madness Walrus > _______\_ has touched my hand walrus at neuron.net > /__\O/__/= Now I'm just a > _|\ .^. Cosmic Man ... " .. spacing out > | \_/ by spacing in .. From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Mar 18 13:26:22 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 02:26:22 +0800 Subject: HW: Silver Machine video revisited Message-ID: >Not me! I recommended them both as my favorite HW videos! Maybe not great >filming etc. but the performances are very energetic/great.... >IMO... > >Christian > >> So are you telling me that Chaos/Night of the Hawks were a bad choice? >> I've forgotten exactly what I said originally, but would have to say that any Hawkwind video is definitely better than nothing. I was rather disappointed with the Chaos video originally because it didn't seem to have anything beyond the norm. Also, I wasn't really all that enthusiastic of this period for the band, as it was more your typical Hard Rock era. The more I think of it, the more I like Night of the Hawks, after me going and putting it down. There's some bits I don't like, but there's also some excellent bits, such as the versions of Ghost Dance, Dream Watcher, Sonic Attack, Psi Power, and Uncle Sam's on Mars. So I guess that it's mostly very good, and has a better selection of songs than Chaos and Chronicles. William From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Mar 18 13:48:03 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:48:03 +0000 Subject: Fu Manchu Review Message-ID: On ons 18 mar 1998 19.07 +0100 reset wrote: > I thought Spiritual Beggars were the better band of the two .... I have to agree. Fu Manchu were great, but as Scott implied, a lot of their songs/riffs sound very similar. The Beggars have been completely blowing me away both on album and on stage. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Mar 18 13:52:34 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 02:52:34 +0800 Subject: Hawkwind/Babylon 5 link Message-ID: Having just seen the aforementioned symbol again, it's probably much closer to the It is the Business... Hawkwind logo, except that this bird has one head and not two. William From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Mar 18 15:54:26 1998 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:54:26 PST Subject: OFF: Queen Message-ID: Hi Kids, Torgo here..... OK, I am not out to start any flame wars here, as I survived both the "coffee flame war" and the "Dr. Bob's Smileys flame war". I certainly don't want to threepeat by joining in the "everyone be pickin' on Torgo's fave bands" flame war, but when Queen gets dumped on I just can't stay in lurk mode (where I indeed seem the happiest these days) any longer. Queen is a MAJOR group who released some MAJOR tunes. They are an easy target because they have such legions of devoted fans. Some people judge their music on what other people feel about a group. "OOH, too many people like this band, I'll look like a front runner if I like them." I say bullshit to all that noise, I like whatever pleases my ears and I don't give a wet slap if other people like them or not. It amazes me how many bands mentioned on this list I have never heard of. Does that mean these bands are BETTER because they are "underground" or "cult" (no pun intended) favorites? Nope, but you'd be surprised how people's minds work. I sometimes swear I could make up a band and someone somewhere would write to me and tell me that they RULE! Gee, I'm a huge fan of Agony Booth, they didn't sell out like Queen. :^D > Alright, am I the only one who feels this is a little insensitive? >I noticed that nobody else really cared or shocked about this >statement. Of course, nobody from BOC has died, so maybe it isn't >relevant. These sort of views aren't why I am on this list. I am >here because NORMALLY we have good, honest, and critical discussion. > No longer, hmmm? I tend to get a bit sensitive as well when Queen is bashed. I have been a major Queen fan since 1974 and I have survived every major sound change along the way. In fact these changes are why I like this band so much. Never ones to be stuck in a rut, Queen proved time and time again that they could do ANY farkin' thing they set out to do. Want it heavy, they deliver. Want Balads, they deliver. The Amazing Brevardo even mentioned HOT SPACE and it's dance sound. Now, I hate dance music as much as anyone who hates dance music, but when I hear Queen do it it's like, "well God damn, if ALL Dance music was like THAT I could handle it." They showed the world that it could be done RIGHT, and then they moved on to a new sound once again. > Maybe it is time for the Gumby Man to leave this mailing list. Don't go Gumby man!!!! >One thing you could say about Mercury was the man had a good sense of > humour and didn't take himself over seriously. When I think of someone who gave their music their ALL, I think of Mercury. The man is dying of AIDS and he still wrote some phenomenal tunes, laid down some killer vocals as only he could, appeared in videos in his weakened and frail state, and gave us a smile right till the end. He never wavered for a second, and never used his illness like other celebs will do at times to fuel a 16th minute of fame. When I think I can't go on, I think how Mercury did it, and I stop whining about my petty problems. So that's all fine and dandy, but does it bother me when people bash them? Not at all, not for a second. It didn't bother me when people bashed RUSH either, who I like just as much. This is a FREE discussion group, and if I wanna say that I think Lemmy is the most over-rated and over-picked scab on the music scene today, with a voice that sounds like Harvey Firestein with a broken whiskey bottle lodged in his windpipe, and lyrics that would make a 4th grader wince, THAT IS MY RIGHT. If people don't like what I say they can either discuss it with me, or rake me across the coals, but either way they had better get over it, cuz in the end it's just my opinion and it doesn't mean a thing. So, if you don't like Queen, and you think RUSH is over-rated, I don't mind hearing about it at all. In fact, I find it all kind of interesting to hear who likes/hates what. It's a tired old cliche' but variety IS the spice of life, especially in music. Well, that's about all I have to say this month. Back to lurk mode (until next tuesday anyway). Later dudes, and remember to never take me or anyone else too serious. ;^) Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** Torgo at norwich.net DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos Palace: Galaxystation.com PORT-9998 *********************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Mar 18 15:53:20 1998 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:53:20 -0500 Subject: And now a word from Mr. Tightly-Squweezed ButtCheeks III Message-ID: Frendzuh, Please to tell me just what "No Sign Of HF @ Tower" has to do with Queen or Rush bashing? You, there in the back with the funny t-shirt with the buttonhook-looking thing on it! You said "nothing"? You are most correct, give that man a cee-gar!! "Nothing" is the answer!! So, frendzuh, pul-eeze try and remember to change-uh the header of yor message to reflect-uh what it is y'all are postin' about. And if you have one of those sick and lame e-mail packages that don't let YOU change the header-uh, would one of our fine bretheren (or sisteren) be so kind as to make that change for our deprived-uh ones? Bless yur li't pointed haids!!! We now let Mr. Shipley back to his keyboard.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Craig Shipley craigs at siemens-pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- From dahl at AROS.NET Wed Mar 18 18:27:08 1998 From: dahl at AROS.NET (dahl) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 16:27:08 -0700 Subject: OFF: Saxon in Anaheim Message-ID: Hey! Anybody out there going to see Saxon in Anaheim CA March 27-28? Email me if you are. Brad "Hey Babe, wanna burn one?" Lawrence of Cobble Creek http://www.moosenet.com/poison.html From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Mar 18 18:53:25 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:53:25 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind/Babylon 5 link Message-ID: havent seen the babylon piece. but the thing you are saying it is borrowed from is not so outlandish that it couldnt be original twice. i mean... its a hawk. how many ways can a hawk outline be presented without repeating someone else? even having not seen it, i'd guess its a coincidence. even if its IDENTICAL. dont reckon its worth the hubub, even if stolen. ps.. i say hawkwind stole their design from... um who is it, albania? or armenia? one of those countries has a two-headed hawk on their flag... rj Dave Berry wrote: > On 18 Mar 07:58, William Duffy wrote: > > >In article <017401bd50ff$0eda1de0$c4453bcb at xl5.iinet.net.au>, William > > >Duffy writes > > >>It wouldn't surprise me if the designer is a fan. > > > > > >or a thief. > > > > I suspect a fan who has thought no-one will notice, thus plagiarised the > > symbol, as it is virtually identical. > > Maybe s/he's a fan who thought other HW fans would think it cool to > see the HW logo there. > > Dave. > -- > > Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. > Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Mar 18 20:08:42 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 20:08:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: Queen et al. Message-ID: Torgo champs in with... >Queen is a MAJOR group who released some MAJOR tunes. They are an easy >target because they have such legions of devoted fans. Some people judge >their music on what other people feel about a group. "OOH, too many >people like this band, I'll look like a front runner if I like them." I >say bullshit to all that noise, I like whatever pleases my ears and I >don't give a wet slap if other people like them or not. Well, I think you can turn that right around and say 'bullshit' to slagging people for putting down popular bands. It's hard to know (without going through an entire list of every popular band vs. every unpopular band) just what motivates people to say what they like and what they supposedly don't like. So I can only speak for myself...and I can guarantee you that I don't really like Queen simply because I don't really like Queen. Some bits and pieces of things I thought were kinda cool and different, but I always say there's a fine line between artistic brilliance and sounding pretentiously weird, and Mercury's on the wrong side of that line for me. (Of course, Christian Vander and Daevid Allen are brilliant IMHO.) :) But I wouldn't expect anyone else's 'line' to be in the same place as mine, except maybe that there should be no question that Huey Lewis & the News are on the other side of the line between what 'is', and what really lacks enough substance to even identify as music in any coherent way. And so too, I can only guess to what sort of distribution of 'popular' stuff and 'unpopular' stuff listmembers have in their collection. But I can tell you that there are plenty of 'platinum' albums in mine (I've got the Zeppelin, Floyd, Rush, Yes, Who, Deep Purple, etc. albums to prove it), and I don't hesitate one minute to buy them because of any perceived notion of supporting the 'sell-outs'. And if I *had* to guess, I would guess that most of us are like that. >It amazes me how many bands mentioned on this list I have never heard of. Well, really, what's the point of coming out and saying, 'Hey I heard this great new album by a band called Pink Floyd!! You should all go out there and buy it!! They need to be supported, you know.' Doesn't *somebody* have to be the first to mention a group to an acquaintance, before they can ever grow to the point of being a group *everybody's* heard of?? >Gee, I'm a huge fan of Agony Booth, they didn't sell out like Queen. :^D Yeah, but they're not as cool as Sphincter Sandwich. :) >In fact, I find it all kind of interesting to hear who likes/hates what. OK, I like The Buck Pets, but I hate the Pet Shop Boys. I like King Crimson and Queensryche, but I hate Billy Jack. Keith H. (FAA) ObCD: Dark Side of the Moon - Pink Floyd From tnelson at HUMBOLDT.K12.CA.US Tue Mar 17 20:07:59 1998 From: tnelson at HUMBOLDT.K12.CA.US (Thomas Nelson) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:07:59 -0800 Subject: OFF Re:Queen In-Reply-To: <199803181001.FAA07360@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: >(Ted Jackson jr. wrote) >Geez, dude. Chill a little. Maybe nobody responded 'cause there >aren't a lot of Queen fans on the list? Isn't that our right? I >think Queen was a pertty good band, I just didn't see it as an issue >worth fighting for. If you're lonely for email, just write something >negative about Rush on this list, and I guarantee things'll heat up >for ya! >(Jon Browne wrote) >'cept fofp's here's for the HW and we have lost our beloved Bob. Still >joke 'em if they can't take a fuck, eh? When ye get te our age, laddie, >ye have te laugh at death.... Alright. Alright. I guess I shouldn't get my panties in a bunch. I didn't follow one of my own mailing list rules: Don't answer a posting I'm upset about until I have had one day to simmer down. While I still feel the post was in poor taste, I must admit that I am certainly swimming in a shallow puddle if I think it matters that much. The acceptence or approval of Queen's music wasn't really the issue with me. Obviously, I am a big fan. I suppose I just haven't gotten over the sting of Freddie's death. As Jon said,"One thing you could say about Mercury was the man had a good sense of humour and didn't take himself over seriously." Thanks for putting back into perspective for me! The Gumby Man is out taking a breath of fresh air! Hi lil AB! Thomas Nelson 8th Grade Core Teacher McKinleyville Middle School A Deep Thought by Jack Handey: "The face of a child can say it all, especially the mouth part of the face." From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Mar 19 00:07:37 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:07:37 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind/Babylon 5 link Message-ID: >havent seen the babylon piece. but the thing you are saying it is borrowed >from is not so outlandish that it couldnt be original twice. i mean... its a >hawk. how many ways can a hawk outline be presented without repeating >someone else? even having not seen it, i'd guess its a coincidence. even if >its IDENTICAL. Well, ordinarily I'd dismiss it, but the instructions mention that if you drop it while gluing on the side-thrusters, you'll have to "catch a falling starfighter".... Still would like to see a shot of Bester singing "psi-power".... (but not Byron, he's too Goth...) =================================== Roger Shrubstaff == Tension, Duchy of Silverwater = Apprehension, http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= and Dissension (Andrew A. Apold) == have begun. ==================================== -Alfred Bester From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 18 12:58:42 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:58:42 +0000 Subject: HW : HLL's crop In-Reply-To: <199803181732.SAA23733@online.no> Message-ID: In article <199803181732.SAA23733 at online.no>, reset writes >and Huw had a MUCH worse haircut in his time. Um, Huwy *always* had the best haircut in the band. Huwy's "convoy cut" was exactly right, I had the same cut myself at the time. I appreciate it might look a bit odd these days, but Huwys was unimproveable. -- Jon Browne From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Mar 19 05:27:38 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:27:38 -0000 Subject: HW : HLL's crop Message-ID: On Wednesday, March 18, 1998 5:59 PM, Jon Browne [SMTP:jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK] wrote: > Huwy's "convoy cut" was exactly right, I had the same cut myself at the > time. I appreciate it might look a bit odd these days, but Huwys was > unimproveable. Was that the one I call the "Chris Waddle"? -Andy ObCD: Julee Cruise - _The Voice of Love_ -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Mar 19 06:29:41 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:29:41 -0000 Subject: OFF: Dodgy tastes in music (retitled for Craig) Message-ID: On Wednesday, March 18, 1998 6:13 PM, reset [SMTP:mumford at ONLINE.NO] wrote: > ok, ok, you convinced me of who's the coolest ;) > > ... and Meatloaf's Bat Out Of Hell rules! > > Christian No, you blew it again! :) There is a place for all that Steinman cod-operatic guff (it worked fine on the soundtrack to Walter Hill's _Streets of Fire_, and didn't he produce the Sisters of Mercy once?) but only as long as you approach it with layers of irony. Surely? (Still at least it's not Rush.) I'd also venture that there's a direct influence from Queen circa "Bohemian Rhapsody" on just about everything Steinman ever did. And arguably on lots of other "operatic" rock tracks like, say, "Nosferatu" (ob BOC). While well OFF, what about that Robbie Williams video where he's made up like a member of Kiss? The song's better, and indeed heavier, than most Kiss I've heard, too :) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Mar 19 06:34:49 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 07:34:49 EDT Subject: OFF: Queen In-Reply-To: <19980318205428.19388.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: >> From: Torgo Sedler > Hi Kids, Torgo here..... > > OK, I am not out to start any flame wars here, as I survived both the > "coffee flame war" and the "Dr. Bob's Smileys flame war". I certainly Howls! I still have one of Dr. Bob's posts re smileys on file around here somewhere! Whatever happened to him? He was a funny guy. Think I must have missed the coffee flame war, though I remember somebody giving AB some about it, if you get my drift! > don't want to threepeat by joining in the "everyone be pickin' on > Torgo's fave bands" flame war, but when Queen gets dumped on I just > can't stay in lurk mode (where I indeed seem the happiest these days) > any longer. > First Rush, now Queen...Who's next? > > Alright, am I the only one who feels this is a little insensitive? >I > noticed that nobody else really cared or shocked about this >statement. > Of course, nobody from BOC has died, so maybe it isn't >relevant. These > sort of views aren't why I am on this list. I am >here because NORMALLY > we have good, honest, and critical discussion. > No longer, hmmm? > Well, it's insensitive if people blast Queen or any 'good' band we might like, but it's not insensitive if we rip the Spice Girls, right? theo From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Mar 19 08:03:00 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:03:00 -0000 Subject: OFF: Queen Message-ID: On Thursday, March 19, 1998 11:35 AM, Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 [SMTP:tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU] wrote: > Well, it's insensitive if people blast Queen or any 'good' band we > might like, but it's not insensitive if we rip the Spice Girls, > right? > OI! Jackson!!! Leave the Girls alone!!!!! :) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Mar 19 07:13:40 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:13:40 EDT Subject: OFF: Queen In-Reply-To: <01BD5337.7F9ACCC0.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: > From: Andy Gilham > On Thursday, March 19, 1998 11:35 AM, Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 > [SMTP:tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU] wrote: > > > > Well, it's insensitive if people blast Queen or any 'good' band we > > might like, but it's not insensitive if we rip the Spice Girls, > > right? > > > > OI! Jackson!!! Leave the Girls alone!!!!! > > :) > > -Andy > Howls! Hey, weren't the Girls supposed to be releasing a movie? From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Mar 19 08:22:29 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:22:29 +0000 Subject: OFF: Queen In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:13:40 EDT." Message-ID: > > > > OI! Jackson!!! Leave the Girls alone!!!!! > > > > :) > > > > -Andy > > > Howls! Hey, weren't the Girls supposed to be releasing a movie? Yup, and it stars Meat Loaf, so y'all can be consistent in your spice girls & steinman bashing. FWIW it seems to me that Steinman's efforts fared much better when he did it (Bad for Good, Original Sin), than when they get diluted by other artists (Loaf, Dion, Manilow etc) Tim np: Springsteen, _Nebraska_ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Mar 19 07:35:49 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:35:49 EDT Subject: OFF: Queen In-Reply-To: <199803191322.NAA18580@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: 1273EB at library.syr.edu> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: > From: bart > > Howls! Hey, weren't the Girls supposed to be releasing a movie? > > Yup, and it stars Meat Loaf, so y'all can be consistent in your spice girls > & steinman bashing. FWIW it seems to me that Steinman's efforts fared much > better when he did it (Bad for Good, Original Sin), than when they get diluted > by other artists (Loaf, Dion, Manilow etc) > > > Tim Well, I was trying to make a joke, as the flick played here for about a week before going to video... From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Mar 19 09:19:48 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 22:19:48 +0800 Subject: Hawkwind/Babylon 5 link Message-ID: >>havent seen the babylon piece. but the thing you are saying it is borrowed >>from is not so outlandish that it couldnt be original twice. i mean... its a >>hawk. how many ways can a hawk outline be presented without repeating >>someone else? even having not seen it, i'd guess its a coincidence. even if >>its IDENTICAL. > It's more to do with the actual way the hawk is designed. The outline on the Babylon 5 image has, among others, those multiple 'strand-like' claws rising out of the top of its wings. It is possible that even this image isn't original, but I don't know. I could always send a JPEG of the B5 design to anyone curious about it? William From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Thu Mar 19 09:55:32 1998 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:55:32 -0500 Subject: OFF: Dodgy tastes in music (retitled for Craig) In-Reply-To: <01BD532B.4CBE9720.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> from "Andy Gilham" at Mar 19, 98 11:29:41 am Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > > On Wednesday, March 18, 1998 6:13 PM, reset [SMTP:mumford at ONLINE.NO] wrote: > > ok, ok, you convinced me of who's the coolest ;) > > > > ... and Meatloaf's Bat Out Of Hell rules! > > > > Christian > > No, you blew it again! :) There is a place for all that Steinman > cod-operatic guff (it worked fine on the soundtrack to Walter Hill's > _Streets of Fire_, and didn't he produce the Sisters of Mercy once?) but I don't have it in front of me to check, but _Floodland_ sounds like what you're after. At a minimum, "This Corrosion" screams Steinman to me. > only as long as you approach it with layers of irony. Surely? I dunno. I always liked Meatloaf's over-the-top approach. I mean, a 250lb rock star who gets so psycho belting out songs about sex and motorcycles during his on-stage performances that he occasionally needs to be given oxygen, gets a lot of style points in my book. ;-) > (Still at least it's not Rush.) 15 years ago I would have called you out on that one, too. ;-) > While well OFF, what about that Robbie Williams video where he's made up > like a member of Kiss? The song's better, and indeed heavier, than most > Kiss I've heard, too :) What, you looking to start a fight with Chip Hart now? What'd you have for breakfast, Andy? ;-) Steve From Dano7 at WEBTV.NET Thu Mar 19 09:57:29 1998 From: Dano7 at WEBTV.NET (Dan Olivadoti) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:57:29 -0500 Subject: LONG LIVE THE QUEEN! Message-ID: Way to go, Torgo!!!!! I had to come out of lurk mode for this too! I'm always amazed at the narrow minds that say dumb statements like "That SUCKS!" If something is not to your taste, you can say you don't like it, but you can't deny the TALENT! And Queen, my friends, is one of the most talented bands there ever was. They changed music and nobody's ever been able to duplicate their sound, though everyone from Def Leppard to Extreme has tried. I've noticed that, especially in the case of Queen, there comes musical snobbery--"Oh, they sucked after Queen II". Bull!!!!!!! I can't stand that attitude-as soon as a band attains mainstream acceptance, they're automatic sellouts? Give me a break! Especially Queen, who continued to make challenging music right til the end! I'm so sorry that your poor little Hawkwind never became a successful band, but don't you dare tear apart a band out of jealousy-and that is exactly what I see here! Now, as far as Rush, I don't care for them and never have, but I'll be damned if I say they suck and that there's no talent there! That's how grade and middle school kids describe what they don't like. I consider myself a music fan with a brain. ....And no performer EVER has given as much to his audience as Freddie Mercury did. He was still making videos for the "Innuendo" album and cutting vocal tracks even though his AIDS was so far along that he could only have the strength to put in a few hours of vocals a week, and he was suffering from blindness and other severe ailments. Although I don't care for the Beach Boys, I have to give kudos to Carl Wilson, who despite battling advanced cancer, still managed to tour right til his last days. QUEEN ROCKS! Enough said! Dano From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Thu Mar 19 10:06:06 1998 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:06:06 -0500 Subject: OFF Re:Queen In-Reply-To: from "Thomas Nelson" at Mar 17, 98 05:07:59 pm Message-ID: Thomas Nelson writes: > > Alright. Alright. I guess I shouldn't get my panties in a bunch. I didn't > follow one of my own mailing list rules: Don't answer a posting I'm upset > about until I have had one day to simmer down. > > While I still feel the post was in poor taste, I must admit that I am > certainly swimming in a shallow puddle if I think it matters that much. > The acceptence or approval of Queen's music wasn't really the issue with > me. Obviously, I am a big fan. I suppose I just haven't gotten over the > sting of Freddie's death. If it makes any difference to you, my original post about "At least this isn't the Queen mailing list" (or the Henrix mailing list) was intended as a sort of queasy attempt at humor (it was late, I was tired), but I grew up on _News of the World_, I don't envy the Queen fans facing the fact of their favorite band getting savaged like that, and I personally felt like somebody hit me when I found out that Freddy had died. Steve fan of Queen, Hendrix, Nirvana, Gin Blossoms... From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Mar 19 10:15:08 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:15:08 +0800 Subject: LONG LIVE THE QUEEN! Message-ID: I personally lost some interest in Queen around the time of A Day at the Races. Up 'til then I was as big a fan of them as I am of HW, but with this album, I could see a repeat of their previous success, even though it still had some good tracks. I thought News of the World was a vast improvement on the whole, but most of the albums after that seemed to be of a different band, as it was not the same musical genre (much the same as Gabriel-era Genesis and later Collins-era Genesis). For me it was a very long time before they started to appeal to me again (around the time of Highlander) but, as we all know all too well, it was not for very much longer. However, I am well aware that the era of Queen I hated was very popular to many others. William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Mar 19 10:18:22 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:18:22 +0800 Subject: OFF Re:Queen Message-ID: This is actually a query about the Cross. Anybody know where I can get a hold of their third album, 'Blue' something. Also, what's it like? William From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Mar 19 10:24:33 1998 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:24:33 -0500 Subject: LONG LIVE THE QUEEN! Message-ID: "Dano", same Dano on the TD list and ex-GoldTri? That Dano? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Craig Shipley craigs at siemens-pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- -----Original Message----- From: Dan Olivadoti To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 10:11 AM Subject: Re: LONG LIVE THE QUEEN! Way to go, Torgo!!!!! I had to come out of lurk mode for this too! I'm always amazed at the narrow minds that say dumb statements like "That SUCKS!" If something is not to your taste, you can say you don't like it, but you can't deny the TALENT! And Queen, my friends, is one of the most talented bands there ever was. They changed music and nobody's ever been able to duplicate their sound, though everyone from Def Leppard to Extreme has tried. I've noticed that, especially in the case of Queen, there comes musical snobbery--"Oh, they sucked after Queen II". Bull!!!!!!! I can't stand that attitude-as soon as a band attains mainstream acceptance, they're automatic sellouts? Give me a break! Especially Queen, who continued to make challenging music right til the end! I'm so sorry that your poor little Hawkwind never became a successful band, but don't you dare tear apart a band out of jealousy-and that is exactly what I see here! Now, as far as Rush, I don't care for them and never have, but I'll be damned if I say they suck and that there's no talent there! That's how grade and middle school kids describe what they don't like. I consider myself a music fan with a brain. ....And no performer EVER has given as much to his audience as Freddie Mercury did. He was still making videos for the "Innuendo" album and cutting vocal tracks even though his AIDS was so far along that he could only have the strength to put in a few hours of vocals a week, and he was suffering from blindness and other severe ailments. Although I don't care for the Beach Boys, I have to give kudos to Carl Wilson, who despite battling advanced cancer, still managed to tour right til his last days. QUEEN ROCKS! Enough said! Dano From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Thu Mar 19 10:47:37 1998 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:47:37 -0600 Subject: HW: Two questions Message-ID: I have two Hawkwind-related questions that I am passing along from others: 1) Can anyone recommend a good CD or record store in Cleveland for Hawkwind merchandise? 2) For the video of Hawkwind at the Gaumont Theatre in Southampton on October 25, 1981, can anyone give me any release information? That is, who released it, when, and does it have some other title? Thanks much for the info! Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 Excess on occasion is exhilarating because it prevents moderation from acquiring the deadening effect of a habit. -- W. Somerset Maugham From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Mar 19 11:02:00 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:02:00 +0000 Subject: LONG LIVE THE QUEEN! In-Reply-To: Dan Olivadoti's mail of Thu, 19 Mar 98 09:57 -0500 Message-ID: On 19 Mar 14:57, Dan Olivadoti wrote: > I'm always amazed at the narrow minds that say dumb statements like "That > SUCKS!" But "That ROCKS" is OK? > If something is not to your taste, you can say you don't like it Then what are you complaining about? > I've noticed that, especially in the case of Queen, > there comes musical snobbery--"Oh, they sucked after Queen II". It's a pity you didn't notice the humour. > Bull!!!!!!! I can't stand that attitude-as soon as a band attains > mainstream acceptance, they're automatic sellouts? No-one here has accused them of "selling out", probably on the very good grounds that they never claimed any counter-cultural status in the first place. As for my statement about Queen II, it is more-or-less true: I don't like most of Queen's output after "Queen II". You seem to be flaming me for my musical taste, under the guise of criticising people who flame others for their musical taste. > I'm so sorry that your poor little Hawkwind never became a > successful band, They did, dear. > but don't you dare tear apart a band out of jealousy If I were jealous, I would quite willingly express that. Meanwhile, it would help if you didn't patronise one of the bands that this list is about. > - and that is exactly what I see here! Sweetie, I like bands and musicians *far* more obscure that Hawkwind, and *far* more talented than either HW or Queen. I really enjoyed a gig by Derek Bailey and Han Bennink last weekend. Neither of them are going to fill stadia anytime now, yet they're regarded as two of the best musicians in the world. I don't like corporate rock music. I don't like the whole system in which it operates. I prefer small gigs, and avoid stadia like the plague. I only go to free festivals or fan-based festivals, not mass-market profit-centred ones. That doesn't mean that I automatically dislike the music; I judge that on its own merits. E.g. I don't like most Queen, but I like most Pink Floyd. > Now, as far as Rush, I > don't care for them and never have, but I'll be damned if I say they > suck and that there's no talent there! That's how grade and middle > school kids describe what they don't like. I consider myself a music fan > with a brain. Did anyone actually say "Queen SUCKS"? Why do think that the sentence "They went downhill after Queen II" implies anything about their talent, as opposed to a subjective appraisal of the use they made of it? > ....And no performer EVER has given as much to his audience as Freddie > Mercury did. What has this got to do with the music? > He was still making videos for the "Innuendo" album and > cutting vocal tracks even though his AIDS was so far along that he could > only have the strength to put in a few hours of vocals a week, and he > was suffering from blindness and other severe ailments. FWIW, I find attempts to use other people's illnesses to bolster arguments of musical taste in rather poor taste. > QUEEN ROCKS! Enough said! Thank you for keeping an open mind. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From boc-l at AMERCYB.COM Thu Mar 19 11:15:21 1998 From: boc-l at AMERCYB.COM (BOC/Hawkwind List) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:15:21 -0500 Subject: HW: Two questions In-Reply-To: <9803190947.ZM5185@unknown.zmail.host> Message-ID: Don't have an answer for 2, but on the first count: 1. My Generation Records in Rocky River (west side) Timetraveller CD's in Cuyahoga Falls (Akron) both usually have good collections of HW stuff 2. ? -rick On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Frank Weil wrote: > I have two Hawkwind-related questions that I am passing along from > others: > > 1) Can anyone recommend a good CD or record store in Cleveland for > Hawkwind merchandise? > > 2) For the video of Hawkwind at the Gaumont Theatre in Southampton on > October 25, 1981, can anyone give me any release information? That > is, who released it, when, and does it have some other title? > > Thanks much for the info! > > Frank > > -- > =============================================================================== > Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 > > Excess on occasion is exhilarating because it prevents moderation from > acquiring the deadening effect of a habit. -- W. Somerset Maugham > -- Rick Spaller rick at amercyb.com Director of Information Services VOX: 440.498.5100 American Cybercasting Corporation FAX: 440.498.5101 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Mar 19 10:38:16 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:38:16 +0000 Subject: OFF: Queen In-Reply-To: <19980318205428.19388.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: In article <19980318205428.19388.qmail at hotmail.com>, Torgo Sedler writes >When I think of someone who gave their music their ALL, I think of >Mercury. The man is dying of AIDS and he still wrote some phenomenal >tunes, laid down some killer vocals as only he could, appeared in videos >in his weakened and frail state, and gave us a smile right till the end. >He never wavered for a second, and never used his illness like other >celebs will do at times to fuel a 16th minute of fame. When I think I >can't go on, I think how Mercury did it, and I stop whining about my >petty problems. True, True and fair enough. I have no problems with the geezer. Bit of a chap, really. > >So that's all fine and dandy, but does it bother me when people bash >them? Not at all, not for a second. It didn't bother me when people >bashed RUSH either, who I like just as much. This is a FREE discussion >group, and if I wanna say that I think Lemmy is the most over-rated and >over-picked scab on the music scene today, with a voice that sounds like >Harvey Firestein with a broken whiskey bottle lodged in his windpipe, >and lyrics that would make a 4th grader wince, THAT IS MY RIGHT. I would still humbly submit Ace Of Spades is a better choon than Radio Ga-Ga. -- Jon From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Mar 19 12:01:24 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:01:24 -0800 Subject: OFF: Stop the Violence about bands Message-ID: >OK, I am not out to start any flame wars here, as I survived both the "coffee flame war" and the "Dr. Bob's Smileys flame war". Ah the good old days! >I tend to get a bit sensitive as well when Queen is bashed. I have been a major Queen fan since 1974 and I have survived every major sound change along the way. In fact these changes are why I like this band so much. Never ones to be stuck in a rut, Queen proved time and time again that they could do ANY farkin' thing they set out to do. Want it heavy, they deliver. Want Balads, they deliver. The Amazing Brevardo even mentioned HOT SPACE and it's dance sound. Now, I hate dance music as much as anyone who hates dance music, but when I hear Queen do it it's like, "well God damn, if ALL Dance music was like THAT I could handle it." This is bound to happen in a free discussion forum. Lets face it every list has its naughty and nice characters. More so, every list has some real left field thinking whacko's who's veiws may be so strange they often stare in a mirror and see the eyes of a stranger (can you say Ghost in the Ruins kiddies?). BTW thanks, I'd do mortal combat with anyone who said Hot Space was a joke. Man that album got me lots of "digits" and "dates" back in the day. Not the worlds greatest dancer but I could dance to many of those tunes heheheheheheheheheheh. > Maybe it is time for the Gumby Man to leave this mailing list. >Don't go Gumby man!!!! Ditto, Hell No, Gumby Don't Go! >This is a FREE discussion group, and if I wanna say that I think Lemmy is the most over-rated and over-picked scab on the music scene today, with a voice that sounds like Harvey Firestein with a broken whiskey bottle lodged in his windpipe, and lyrics that would make a 4th grader wince, THAT IS MY RIGHT. MEGA HAIRY HOWLS! If I didn't know better I'd swear this came directly from one of your cd reviews. >And now a word from Mr. Tightly-Squweezed ButtCheeks III Frendzuh, >Please to tell me just what "No Sign Of HF @ Tower" has to >do with Queen or >Rush bashing? Boy this is a refreshing digest for a change. Good call Mr. Shipley. I was so excited to see so many references to my little original subject field, I was doing Jim Carey impersonations "they like me, they really like me". Much to my chagrin they had nothing to do with it. Probably my fault for adding the little OB thought on Queen. Thought that would be safe. Some people are in "lurker mode", me, I'm constantly in "ignore that whacko mode". Geez now I'm depressed. 8>). >The Gumby Man is out taking a breath of fresh air! Hi lil AB! Gumby YOU DA MAN! Nice to see a post from you. It has been a long time since you were here. I abandoned the lil ab giving all due respects to Big AB since he is a bit older and a tiny bit more talented and famous 8>). I use Ghost in the Ruins instead. Speaking to the famous and talented AB where has the big guy run off too? Has anybody seen tBS lately? Ghost in the Ruins Froogin at work to the wonderful sounds of Trans Siberian Orchestra, even though it ain't X-mas. ************************************************************** "Isn't sanity just a one trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking. But when your good and crazy the sky's the limit." -The Tick From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Thu Mar 19 14:16:56 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:16:56 +0100 Subject: HW: Two questions In-Reply-To: <9803190947.ZM5185@unknown.zmail.host> Message-ID: Hi Frank At 09:47 19.03.98 -0600, you wrote: >2) For the video of Hawkwind at the Gaumont Theatre in Southampton on > October 25, 1981, can anyone give me any release information? That > is, who released it, when, and does it have some other title? This video was released during the autumn 1993 tour by the band officially. This video does not have a title, date or a venue. Just SONOC ATTAC. I asked Dave on this tour backstage where this video was recorded. "Dunno" he said, "to long ago" After listening and comparing my 1981 tapes from the October 1981 tour with this video I had to admit that I didn't have a tape from that gig where the video was from. And then after discussing with some fans I decided that this video must be from Southampton. Maybe I am wrong but I am very sure that it is from the end of the tour. And there were only a handfull of dates left were the video could be from. Hope that helps Bernhard From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Thu Mar 19 14:50:35 1998 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:50:35 -0600 Subject: Two questions Message-ID: Hi Frank, Shattered Records has tons of HW vinyl, some items may be overpriced so bargain if you can and as always take plenty of money. -- Doug Bates voice:(205) 934-9087 fax:(205) 975-7129 mailto:dbates at uab.edu From makmorn at QIS.NET Thu Mar 19 18:03:55 1998 From: makmorn at QIS.NET (Daniel Ligon) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:03:55 -0500 Subject: BOC: shows In-Reply-To: ; from Ted Alger on Wed, Mar 18, 1998 at 12:25:02AM -0500 Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 18, 1998 at 12:25:02AM -0500, Ted Alger said: > > April 16 Richmond VA - don't remember the name of the club, but owned by the > same people that own Jaxx I've been told > April 17 Springfield VA - Jaxx (AB? you gonna be there?) > April 18 Baltimore MD - apparently at a place called Mickey's Heard an ad for the BOC show at Mickey's on 98Rock (WIYY) today. -- Daniel Ligon makmorn at qis.net The entire story of Imaginos has not been told and only time will tell if the riddle will begin. -- Albert From talger at PIPELINE.COM Thu Mar 19 18:15:06 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:15:06 -0500 Subject: BOC: Baltimore show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If anyone is wondering....wants to go, whatever... the show is at Mickey's in Baltimore tickets available from Balt. Ticketmaster (800) 551-7328 $12.50 + $3.25 service charge plus, if you order by phone, $1.50 handling charge per order....geez, you'd think someone from Ticketbastard would at least be in the band.... doors open at 9:00 according to the club Ted From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu Mar 19 19:56:57 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 01:56:57 +0100 Subject: OFF: Andy's dodgy tastes in music (retitled for Andy) Message-ID: I just broke down and pulled out the Meatloaf disc... I am 2:06 minutes into the opener... yeah.. can't wait til he revs up that bike man... just like the killer Corben painting on the front... talk about abusing that silver machine baby, I may be hungry but I sure aint dead maan... anyway: > > > ... and Meatloaf's Bat Out Of Hell rules! > > > > > > Christian > > > > No, you blew it again! :) Fascist! By whose standards :) Oh shit now it kicks asssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is a place for all that Steinman > > cod-operatic guff (it worked fine on the soundtrack to Walter Hill's > > _Streets of Fire_, and didn't he produce the Sisters of Mercy once?) but Yeah!! As Steve Swann points out it was on Floodland. But surely the Sisters are just a tad cheesy for Steinman? A tad too grim? A tad too dead, pale, boring, goth... shit, the bike revvin, the drumsss forget it! Like a Bat Outta Helllll! Eh? Oh, Floodland, yeah. This Corrosion/Mother Russia. I am sure eldritch (our BOC-L eldritch, not the fake Sisters guy) approves of someone as cool as Meatloaf! I mean, you talk about cool/cred here Andy, let's try "Rocky Horror", or "Roadie" (the awesome movie starring Meatloaf as the greatest roadie-hero ever and Alice Cooper, Blondie and tons of other COOL people!). C'mon! Ya blew it!!! :) > I don't have it in front of me to check, but _Floodland_ sounds like > what you're after. At a minimum, "This Corrosion" screams Steinman > to me. Weird. Mine screams "Hey hey hey now now now, sing this corrosion to me" but I am puzzled how to sing corrosion. Should I stop brushing my teeth?? Meatloaf *just* sang "you took the words right out of my mouth" too.. cosmic. > > only as long as you approach it with layers of irony. Surely? Irony is fine, but I don't waste money on music just to be ironic... I buy stuff I like.. witness the "easy listening" trend, Mike Flowers Pops, whatever - suckers! Though say, not being a fan, a band like Pulp are at least able to be a bit of both. Mind you, I love good irony but it has its place :) Steve Swann writes: > I dunno. I always liked Meatloaf's over-the-top approach. I mean, a > 250lb rock star who gets so psycho belting out songs about sex and > motorcycles during his on-stage performances that he occasionally > needs to be given oxygen, gets a lot of style points in my book. ;-) YEAH! He even was dead for like 10 minutes - onstage - AND got back UP AND FINISHED THE SET!!!!! A hero in my book. > > (Still at least it's not Rush.) > > 15 years ago I would have called you out on that one, too. ;-) Yeah, as little as Rush seems to do for me, most of my bashing them in the past has just been to egg people on :) Trauma caused by a roomate years ago, and I am not sure if Iwill ever get over it ;) As for Queen, they originally (basically) appealed to me as Hawkwind did later (at first anyway, before I started triggering on other HW elements ;-) the band that were so varied, creative and unpredictable, that each purchase was an "adventure" at my tender age. Radio Gaga still stirs me, maan, partly because of the video - I went out and rented Fritz Lang's Metropolis and blew my mind. Queen's history was the epitome of decadence perhaps, but that's part of the charm. They teetered between crass commercialism and strangeness but always explored music way beyond their selling-format. I regret now ditching almost all my Queen CDs as part of my stupid "oh, that's not cool anymore" phase years ago - yes, and I will say, the day Freddie bit the dust was a bum day ;-) I remember blaring "Dead On Time" and of course other appropriate tracks for hours in rememberance - cos I knew he had a sense of humour and would have wanted that *snif*. **HONK!** Steve writes: > What, you looking to start a fight with Chip Hart now? What'd you > have for breakfast, Andy? ;-) Andy shoulda had MEATLOAF fer breakfast! About 250 lbs of it !!!! please get with it, Andy :) "All revved up with no place to go", Christian From cando at HIGHFIBER.COM Thu Mar 19 20:20:55 1998 From: cando at HIGHFIBER.COM (James Coburn) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:20:55 -0700 Subject: OFF: Queen Message-ID: Well said Torgo. James Coburn Albuquerque, NM From johnv at NCWEB.COM Thu Mar 19 22:21:13 1998 From: johnv at NCWEB.COM (john villani) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 22:21:13 -0500 Subject: GUITAR TAB HELP Message-ID: anybody a guitarist out there who knows how to play voyage 34 (the song, not the album by porcupine tree? im working on it now and think i have it, just would like some other ideas. thanks From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Thu Mar 19 23:35:48 1998 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:35:48 -0500 Subject: And now a word from Mr. Tightly-Squweezed ButtCheeks III In-Reply-To: <01bd52af$e52c92e0$0e82d681@pyratl.mis.pyramid.com> from "Craig Shipley" at Mar 18, 98 03:53:20 pm Message-ID: Craig Shipley writes: > > Frendzuh, > > Please to tell me just what "No Sign Of HF @ Tower" has to do with Queen or > Rush bashing? You, there in the back with the funny t-shirt with the > buttonhook-looking thing on it! You said "nothing"? You are most correct, > give that man a cee-gar!! "Nothing" is the answer!! > > So, frendzuh, pul-eeze try and remember to change-uh the header of yor > message to reflect-uh what it is y'all are postin' about. And if you have > one of those sick and lame e-mail packages that don't let YOU change the > header-uh, would one of our fine bretheren (or sisteren) be so kind as to > make that change for our deprived-uh ones? Bless yur li't pointed haids!!! Yeah, sure, Pops. We'll do that. Just as soon as you get a mailer that doesn't post everything in MIME. Argh! Dammit, if you weren't practically a founding member of this list, I'd be auto-deleting all of your little MIME-encrusted postings already! So there. your former Humble Moderator, Steve From StevenTice at AOL.COM Thu Mar 19 23:45:34 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:45:34 EST Subject: OFF: the death of Freddie Mercury Message-ID: In a message dated 98-03-19 20:00:42 EST, you write: << yes, and I will say, the day Freddie bit the dust was a bum day >> Hmmm, y'know, I knew a girl who was really into Queen and also various New Age religious stuff. I remember her excitedly telling me how she'd had sex with the ghost of Freddie Mercury the night of his death.... Make of this what you will...:-) SET From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Mar 19 12:34:32 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:34:32 +0000 Subject: HW : HLL's crop In-Reply-To: <01BD5321.CDCE08A0.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: In article <01BD5321.CDCE08A0.Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com>, Andy Gilham writes >Was that the one I call the "Chris Waddle"? > >-Andy Dunno, the last footballer i can remember haircut-wise was Kevin Keegan. Sort of spikey on top, long at the back? Celine Dion? With a melon? -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Mar 20 05:06:36 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:06:36 +0000 Subject: LONG LIVE THE QUEEN! In-Reply-To: <199803191457.GAA01286@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> Message-ID: In article <199803191457.GAA01286 at mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net>, Dan Olivadoti writes >Way to go, Torgo!!!!! I had to come out of lurk mode for this too! I'm >always amazed at the narrow minds that say dumb statements like "That >SUCKS!" If something is not to your taste, you can say you don't like >it, "this sucks" = "I don't like it" no more, no less. I am amazed you give a shit what I think. When I say something sucks, I am expressing personal dislike. Naturally it is not a universal. I would not deny how talented they are, I would however, insist they suck, as indeed they do. You may feel differently, as of course, is not only your right, but something I could not or would not want to change. I choose to use the shorthand "suck" because everything I say is of course, merely my opinion, and I therefore would consider it lingistically redundant to say "In my opinion, Queen suck." I would hold it to self-evident that my opinion is an irrelevancy in your world. as of course, your opinion is in mine. > but you can't deny the TALENT! As for talent, The Ramones have no talent, but they were infinitly more exciting. Talent is a blunt instrument and cannot cut butter without an awful lot of other qualities. Go listen to Vanessa Mae if you want to hear talent. > And Queen, my friends, is one of the >most talented bands there ever was. They changed music and nobody's ever >been able to duplicate their sound, though everyone from Def Leppard to >Extreme has tried. Who both suck, no? >I've noticed that, especially in the case of Queen, >there comes musical snobbery--"Oh, they sucked after Queen II". >Bull!!!!!!! I can't stand that attitude-as soon as a band attains >mainstream acceptance, they're automatic sellouts? This is a straw man. I've no problem with mainstream bands. Floyd and Zep, for example, were both mainstream, both great. >Especially Queen, who continued to make challenging music right til the >end! I'm so sorry that your poor little Hawkwind never became a >successful band, I'm not. As long as they make enough to keep recording, I couldn't give a monkeys after that. >but don't you dare tear apart a band out of >jealousy-and that is exactly what I see here! Because I think songs like "I want To Break Free" and "Bicycle Race" are rubbish doesn't mean I'm jealous. Really, I'm not. I just don't like the band. i.e. I think they suck. >Now, as far as Rush, I >don't care for them and never have, but I'll be damned if I say they >suck and that there's no talent there! Plenty of talent there. And they suck. >That's how grade and middle >school kids describe what they don't like. And retarded thirty somethings, don't forget us. > I consider myself a music fan >with a brain. Which is why you like Queen, sure, it follows. I consider myself a music fan with a big nob, a catastrophicly large record collection and a capacity for drink and enjoyment. I consider myself a businessman with a brain. Rock 'n' roll is ultimatly not an intellectual pursuit. The best rock 'n' roll is made by spirited kids, in primitive teenage garages. I would recommend reading Lester Bangs "Psychotic Reaction and Carbaretor Dung" for an accurate dissertation on this matter. >....And no performer EVER has given as much to his audience as Freddie >Mercury did. In return they gave him fame and fortune and everything that goes with it. He did, I understand, thank them all. I think the above is a overstatement. > He was still making videos for the "Innuendo" album and >cutting vocal tracks even though his AIDS was so far along that he could >only have the strength to put in a few hours of vocals a week, and he >was suffering from blindness and other severe ailments. Without putting him down, he went out doing what he wanted to do. He was doing what he enjoyed primarily, making music. The fact that there was an audience is secondary. We all have to face our doom in the end. No one's going to put a statue up to me because I didn't give in to my diabetes, and still run my shop and still provide for my kids. I'm doing it because it's what I want to do. I'm not taking anything away from Freddie to say that many, many people are equally heroic. You included Dano, when your time comes. > Although I don't >care for the Beach Boys, I have to give kudos to Carl Wilson, who >despite battling advanced cancer, still managed to tour right til his >last days. The Beach Boys are a great band! You think they suck? > >QUEEN ROCKS! Enough said! > Brian May (who went to my school, by the way) co-wrote, co-produced and co-performed "The Stonk" with Hale and Pace. 'nuff said. -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Mar 19 12:36:41 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:36:41 +0000 Subject: OFF: Dodgy tastes in music (retitled for Craig) In-Reply-To: <01BD532B.4CBE9720.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: In article <01BD532B.4CBE9720.Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com>, Andy Gilham writes >While well OFF, what about that Robbie Williams video where he's made up >like a member of Kiss? The song's better, and indeed heavier, than most >Kiss I've heard, too :) > >-Andy Robbie's alright. He's a natural born poet, he's just outasight. -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Mar 20 05:14:57 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:14:57 +0000 Subject: OFF: Queen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" writes >First Rush, now Queen...Who's next? Hall and Oates the rotters -- Jon Browne From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Mar 20 06:52:28 1998 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 21:52:28 +1000 Subject: HW: Quashing the rumour mill Message-ID: Hi folks. Not that there has been *that* many rumours floating around, I thought that as I just spoke to "the" Dave on the phone I'd fill in the folk on the list where I can. It's true that the EBS *catalogue* is being sold. But this is not a case of DS stepping out of the picture, but rather a calculated manouver which will hopefully result in more exposure for the band. I'd rather not go into too many details, but suffice to say that there is nothing to panic about, and the end result *should* be more re-releases of now hard to get stuff, some long touted collaborations with ex-Hawks, and possibly even a *real* video clip (potentially mixed by Youth of Killing Joke fame .... but that's only a slight possibility at this stage), and maybe a new album (with special guests ...). There is no news from the HW camp regarding new tour details as they are basically waiting for the current deals being worked on to come through first, but it is likely that around Strange Daze 98 there may be additional US shows (another mini Tour??) and hopefully the Aussie tour will *finally* happen. I'll be getting in touch with Dave again after my next trip to Taiwan is over (mid April), so hopefully I can fill people in a bit more then. As an aside, Ed Clark from the US (who, if you read HawkZine #48 or were there would know has the honour of being the person who travelled the most distance to be at the German HawkOn last June in Hamburg) sent me some photo's from the event - they are up on the OzHawks website at: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/OzHawks/hamburg97.html Thanks Ed! Yours in Space, Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Mar 20 06:06:48 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:06:48 -0000 Subject: OFF: Andy's dodgy tastes in music (retitled for Andy) Message-ID: On Friday, March 20, 1998 12:57 AM, reset [SMTP:mumford at ONLINE.NO] wrote: > I just broke down and pulled out the Meatloaf disc... I am 2:06 minutes > into the opener... yeah.. can't wait til he revs up that bike man... > just > like the killer Corben painting on the front... talk about abusing that > silver machine baby, I may be hungry but I sure aint dead maan... anyway: Nah, Meat Loaf's for kids, just like those funny books you read! :)) You can't be serious about really enjoying Meat Loaf, can you?? You ARE??? > I mean, you talk about cool/cred here Andy, > let's try "Rocky Horror", or "Roadie" (the awesome movie starring > Meatloaf > as the greatest roadie-hero ever and Alice Cooper, Blondie and tons of > other COOL people!). C'mon! Ya blew it!!! :) Loaf himself is OK, I mean he was in _Spiceworld the Movie_ so he's definitely reached some sort of iconic status! :) > As for Queen, they originally (basically) appealed to me as Hawkwind did > later (at first anyway, before I started triggering on other HW elements > ;-) _Queen II_ and _Sheer Heart Attack_ were big schoolroom favourites at a tender age, that's for sure. "Bohemian Rhapsody" was kind of a turning point - it was one of those records you like a lot first time, but after it's been at number one for four weeks it begins to get on your tits, and after nine weeks it makes you wanna SCREAM! (At least that's how I reacted :) They really did seem to drop out of sight after that, though, until the famous Live Aid performance. Which was basically bloody brilliant. Didn't really care for their later albums though. -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Mar 20 07:24:13 1998 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:24:13 +1000 Subject: HW: Ed Clark - Kollector Message-ID: Hi again, I almost forgot to mention (well ok - I did forget) that Ed is always looking for ppl to trade with (he has about 650 bootleg tapes he said). He can be contacted by way of: Ed Clark 1228 Christie St Apt #2 Davenport, IA 52803 U.S.A. Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Mar 20 06:29:38 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:29:38 -0000 Subject: HW : HLL's crop Message-ID: On Thursday, March 19, 1998 5:35 PM, Jon Browne [SMTP:jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK] wrote: > In article <01BD5321.CDCE08A0.Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com>, Andy Gilham > writes > >Was that the one I call the "Chris Waddle"? > > > >-Andy > Dunno, the last footballer i can remember haircut-wise was Kevin Keegan. > > Sort of spikey on top, long at the back? That's the one! > > > Celine Dion? > > > With a melon? > -- > Jon Hmm. A wise man once said, when you're in a hole, stop digging! Advice I think I'll follow! :)) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mumford at ONLINE.NO Fri Mar 20 08:57:59 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:57:59 +0100 Subject: OFF: Andy's dodgy tastes in music (retitled for Andy) Message-ID: > Nah, Meat Loaf's for kids, just like those funny books you read! >:)) "Kids"! Hah! Old man! :) What was that about the current Sin City? Don't try to tell me THAT's a, errr, mature funnybook! S'all noir-formula, done to death, the geezers fall for shallow style. Heh. And so what if Meat Loaf's for kids - aren't SPICE GIRLS? BTW, who are the new group who've modelled themselves after SG over there, but are sexier/younger/better (appearantly :)?? Hmmm? >You can't be serious about really enjoying Meat Loaf, can you?? You ARE??? Sure. I mean, its extremely cheezy, juvenile, whatever. Lots of stuff on that album is awful, some is totally brilliant. IMO :) I was a little kid when it came out and... kids don't care about "cool" because they don't know/care what that means (and some never will ;) and judge stuff purely on its own merits. So I still stick to that cos I like it and I'd be a hypocrite to deny that in the name of some "grownup cool", whatever (like lotsa things ;). SURE there's layers of irony too in its appeal to me NOW, and I fooled ya *abit* there. Sorta like a glass onion y'know, don't mess with it - I know I like it, and that's all I need to know sir! ;) But I never really listen to Queen anymore aside from the odd Flash Gordon fix. > Loaf himself is OK, I mean he was in _Spiceworld the Movie_ so he's > definitely reached some sort of iconic status! :) I don't have any of his other albums, never heard them. What little I have heard sucked. BOoH was a one-shot deal from a guy who's really a sleazy actor and showman, whatever. > They really did seem to drop out of sight after that, though, until the > famous Live Aid performance. Which was basically bloody brilliant. Didn't > really care for their later albums though. They were very hit or miss from that point I guess. The Game or Hot Space etc. did little/nothing for me. That was the time (early 80s, seeing the Flash Gordon flick) frame I got into them, but oddly enough I started with an old A Day At The Races tape I found somewhere. Then The Works came out, and the Highlander stuff and I thought those were great (ages 12-14, ok), and a couple of years later I got into Hawkwind so... :) But I did get the CD of Innuendo (with the calendar and all the stuff - no longer in my posession) out of nostagia and because it was sorta a return to form in every respect IMO, even *remotely* decent "prog" if you like, than say the horrible one before which name escapes me... and then of course Fred wuz Ded. anyway I have some current rants on funnybooks and stuff up at http://www.login.eunet.no/~christmu/junk.html if you wanna see what kids are up to these days. Christian From mumford at ONLINE.NO Fri Mar 20 09:03:57 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:03:57 +0100 Subject: HW : HLL's crop Message-ID: > > writes: > > >Was that the one I call the "Chris Waddle"? > > > > > >-Andy > Jon Browne writes: > Dunno, the last footballer i can remember haircut-wise was Kevin Keegan. > > > > Sort of spikey on top, long at the back? > That's the one! In Norway that's called "fotballsveis" or "hockeysveis". Hicks and hardcore Queen/sports fans still think it looks cool! ;) Christian From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Mar 20 09:51:29 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:51:29 -0000 Subject: OFF: Andy's dodgy tastes in music (retitled for Andy) Message-ID: On Friday, March 20, 1998 1:58 PM, reset [SMTP:mumford at ONLINE.NO] wrote: > > Nah, Meat Loaf's for kids, just like those funny books you read! >:)) > > "Kids"! Hah! Old man! :) What was that about the current Sin City? Hey, I'm into Sin City as much as the next guy, I'm just taking the piss, that's all! :) > And so what if Meat Loaf's for kids - aren't SPICE GIRLS? Yep, that's the whole point of the Girls. My 9-year-old goddaughter is SO into the Girls. (At least she was a couple of months ago! :) And anyway it's practically unpatriotic not to like them! :) I was really surprised they broke in America! > > BTW, who are the new group who've modelled themselves after SG over > there, but are sexier/younger/better (appearantly :)?? Hmmm? You're probably thinking of All Saints. They're a different kind of outfit, really. More grown-up. :) > Sure. I mean, its extremely cheezy, juvenile, whatever. Lots of stuff on > that > album is awful, some is totally brilliant. IMO :) I was a little kid when > it > came out and... kids don't care about "cool" because they don't know/care > what > that means (and some never will ;) and judge stuff purely on its own > merits. I thought that was probably it - I was just too old and cynical (at 18) to get with it! > > anyway I have some current rants on funnybooks and stuff up at > http://www.login.eunet.no/~christmu/junk.html if you wanna see what kids > are > up to these days. I'll check it out! All I'm reading these days is the Moorcock thing and Transmetropolitan. I think I'll go and listen to some Stooges. -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Mar 20 10:39:30 1998 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:39:30 -0500 Subject: And now a word from Mr. Tightly-Squweezed ButtCheeks III Message-ID: Brother Steven-uh, Thank yew vurry much for helpin' me ta see thu errors of mah ways!! Seems that I have two entries in muh address book that post to thu BOC/HW list. Normally, Ah use thu one that is undar the BOC listin', whut has its' MIME option turned OFF. But, when Ah sent that last-uh post to the list-uh, Ah used the one under the HW listin' and it did NOT have its' MIME option disabled, oh no it didn't!! But it does NOW!! So, thank yew again, Brother Steven-uh for point this out ta me. Shouldn't see any more-uh MIME-spoo from me any more-uh. Now, go away, son, yuh bother me.... :-) <> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Craig Shipley craigs at siemens-pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Swann To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 11:49 PM Subject: Re: And now a word from Mr. Tightly-Squweezed ButtCheeks III >Craig Shipley writes: >> >> Frendzuh, >> >> Please to tell me just what "No Sign Of HF @ Tower" has to do with Queen or >> Rush bashing? You, there in the back with the funny t-shirt with the >> buttonhook-looking thing on it! You said "nothing"? You are most correct, >> give that man a cee-gar!! "Nothing" is the answer!! >> >> So, frendzuh, pul-eeze try and remember to change-uh the header of yor >> message to reflect-uh what it is y'all are postin' about. And if you have >> one of those sick and lame e-mail packages that don't let YOU change the >> header-uh, would one of our fine bretheren (or sisteren) be so kind as to >> make that change for our deprived-uh ones? Bless yur li't pointed haids!!! > >Yeah, sure, Pops. We'll do that. Just as soon as you get a mailer >that doesn't post everything in MIME. Argh! > >Dammit, if you weren't practically a founding member of this list, I'd >be auto-deleting all of your little MIME-encrusted postings already! > >So there. > >your former Humble Moderator, >Steve > From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Mar 20 13:37:25 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:37:25 -0800 Subject: HW : HLL's crop Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:58:42 +0000, Jon Browne scribed: >In article <199803181732.SAA23733 at online.no>, reset >writes > >>and Huw had a MUCH worse haircut in his time. > >Um, Huwy *always* had the best haircut in the band. >Huwy's "convoy cut" was exactly right, I had the same cut myself at the >time. I appreciate it might look a bit odd these days, Whaddya mean? I see it (the haircut) around San Francisco all the time ... it's just that it's always on females, not males. (females, who, if I were to judge by appearence, I would assume are not heterosexual) >but Huwys was unimproveable. Undoubtedly! (but where early-80s Hawkwind is concerned, I'll take Nik's "do" over Huw's any day...) -Doug ceres at sirius.com From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Mar 20 16:32:51 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:32:51 -0500 Subject: What the F***??? Message-ID: GEEZE folks, I go away for 3 days, and THIS happens? BOC is now less than a week from releasing their first album in 10 years and you are all discussing Queen? What the F*** is up with that? Come on! It's time to talk BOC and get psyched for the releas of HEAVEN FORBID! Yeah, I sound like a total ass-kissing fanboy, talking stuff that is probably more suitable for that "other forum", but hey! The album we've all been waiting for is finally upon us and you want to discuss the relative merits/lack thereof of Queen? The only redeeming feature I saw in over 60 posts, other than mention of the Jaxx show, was the references to the old "smiley wars"... C'mon! Feel The Thunder! Let Go! BOC! You've got the power, we've got the key! (laughing hysterically....) John From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Mar 20 16:44:08 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:44:08 -0500 Subject: OFF: And now a word from Mr. Tightly-Squweezed ButtCheeks III In-Reply-To: <01bd5416$60ae6ee0$1682d681@pyratl.mis.pyramid.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Craig Shipley wrote: > disabled, oh no it didn't!! But it does NOW!! So, thank yew again, Brother > Steven-uh for point this out ta me. Shouldn't see any more-uh MIME-spoo from > me any more-uh. Of course, if Steve moved over to Pine, as I occasionally badger him to, he wouldn't be getting troubled by MIME-spoo in the first place... I blame Steve Swann. ;-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Gary Moore, _Dark Days in Paradise_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Mar 20 18:06:20 1998 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 18:06:20 -0500 Subject: OFF: And now a word from Mr. Tightly-Squweezed ButtCheeks III Message-ID: Y'know, if I though it would do any good, I'd GIVE him my copy of Eudora Pro (opened, but unused) so that he could have something that was written in the 1990's at least. But I think you have to have something a little more advanced than a VT-52 with a 300 baud modem... :-) It is Steves' fault that this list is mired in the technology of the '80's! Probably listens to HW on an 8-track tape deck, too!! Last time I heard, Pine, IE4.0 and Netscape's Communicator (and a downloadable version of Eudora) were all free, so it can't be the cost that is keepin' you folks back. If it is the fact that you are in school and using what they give you, well, I know that beggars can't be choosers, but talk to your MIS department; what good is it to be using an e-mail system from the '80's? Don't they want you to be competitive when you hit the market?(assuming that you are in the computer field, and if you aren't, do you really think that you are gonna use 'elm' out there in the real world? Sorry to say, but UNIX is getting its' clock cleaned by NT; even my company realizes that the bucks are to be made in the NT environment. Learn a mailer that the runs on what is going to be the dominant O/S for the foreseeable future. I don't like this, but it is reality... :-/ ). None the less, I'll keep my MIME option off, so that the paradigm doesn't get changed to "It's Ship's fault!!" Come join us, you will be assimilated, whatever... Bass Ale time, see ya all on Monday!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Craig Shipley craigs at siemens-pyramid.com Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems, Inc. 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. NE Suite 400 Atlanta, Georgia 30342 (404) 845-3404 Corporate Voice Mail (800) 333-5754 x-2023 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- -----Original Message----- From: Paul Mather To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 5:12 PM Subject: Re: OFF: And now a word from Mr. Tightly-Squweezed ButtCheeks III >On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Craig Shipley wrote: > >> disabled, oh no it didn't!! But it does NOW!! So, thank yew again, Brother >> Steven-uh for point this out ta me. Shouldn't see any more-uh MIME-spoo from >> me any more-uh. > >Of course, if Steve moved over to Pine, as I occasionally badger him to, >he wouldn't be getting troubled by MIME-spoo in the first place... > >I blame Steve Swann. ;-) > >Cheers, > >Paul. > >obCD: Gary Moore, _Dark Days in Paradise_ > >e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > >"I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" > --- James Marshall Hendrix > From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Fri Mar 20 18:18:27 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Nebosuke) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 18:18:27 EST Subject: BOC: Tower Records check Message-ID: Well at least one of the local Tower's has Heaven Forbid on-site as of now, but claim they won't be in the racks until Tuesday morning...will stop by a couple on the way home tonight and see if something made it to the racks by mistake or can be pried out of them... -Chris Baker From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Mar 20 18:32:28 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 18:32:28 -0500 Subject: OFF: And now a word from Mr. Tightly-Squweezed ButtCheeks III In-Reply-To: <01bd5454$ccd2e040$1682d681@pyratl.mis.pyramid.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Craig Shipley wrote: > Y'know, if I though it would do any good, I'd GIVE him my copy of Eudora Pro > (opened, but unused) so that he could have something that was written in the > 1990's at least. But I think you have to have something a little more > advanced than a VT-52 with a 300 baud modem... :-) Actually, for a while, my "desktop machine" consisted of an IBM 3151 dumb terminal connected to an RS/6000 via a 19200 baud serial line. It was so ancient that no termcap entry existed for it, and I had to scrounge the Internet to find one. (Oh what I would have given for the luxury of a VT52!:) Mind you, with "screen" installed, it was robust, reliable, and technology you could count on, day in, day out (unlike the Windoze boxes). I was sad to see it go, in a way... > Sorry to say, but UNIX is getting its' clock cleaned by NT; even my company > realizes that the bucks are to be made in the NT environment. Learn a mailer > that the runs on what is going to be the dominant O/S for the foreseeable > future. I don't like this, but it is reality... :-/ ). NT (and the other Windoze "operating systems") provide us, at last, with a concrete existence proof of P.T. Barnum's old adage: there's a sucker born every minute. (It's also a handy existance proof for "you can fool most of the people all of the time.") :-) Not that I'm going to get drawn into an OS flame war on this list, mind you... > Come join us, you will be assimilated, whatever... Let me know as soon as Windoze NT runs on the DECstation 3100 workstation I bought for $100 at the Virginia Tech surplus auction, and I'll assimilate with the best of 'em! (In the meantime, I'll continue to run OpenBSD...) > Bass Ale time, see ya all on Monday!!! Happy drinking! Cheers, Paul. obCD: Free, _Highway_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 20 19:30:06 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 00:30:06 +0000 Subject: What the F***??? Message-ID: On fre 20 mar 1998 16.32 -0500 "John A Swartz" wrote: > C'mon! Feel The Thunder! Let Go! BOC! You've got the power, we've got > the key! (laughing hysterically....) Amen, bro! All praise, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From StevenTice at AOL.COM Sat Mar 21 00:27:23 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 00:27:23 EST Subject: BOC: Texas wackos Message-ID: I was watching Headline News the other day and they were doing a feature on a bunch of Japanese cultists who have set up shop in Texas. From the story, it was obvious that they were just as looney as any given cult, complete with the little Japanese boys in cowboy hats who are supposed to be the reincarnations of Buddha and Jesus. But the funny thing is, they believe that God is going to return to Earth this month, and he'll appear there, in Texas. What day is God scheduled to arrive? March 24! What can I say to that except...heaven forbid! :-) SET From AgentOF at AOL.COM Sat Mar 21 00:43:38 1998 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Agent OF) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 00:43:38 EST Subject: BOC: BBQ EAST Message-ID: We are getting together to party before the Baltimore gig on April 18th. Too Hip For The Room, who does BOC covers and features Buck Dharma on backing vocals, will be performing at: T. Appleschmidt's Pub 6408 Baltimore National Pike Catonsville, MD 21228 We will be partying there from 1 - 8 PM, with the live music coming on about 3 PM. It will be a riot, so try to be there! chuck Miracles DO Happen, Take One The Ricky Browning benefit concert Featuring The Buck Dharma Band From monsieur at MYMAIL.NET Sat Mar 21 03:38:31 1998 From: monsieur at MYMAIL.NET (DAMON CAPEHART) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 02:38:31 -0600 Subject: OFF: the death of Freddie Mercury Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:45:34 EST StevenTice wrote: >In a message dated 98-03-19 20:00:42 EST, you write: ><< yes, and I will say, > the day Freddie bit the dust was a bum day >> > >Hmmm, y'know, I knew a girl who was really into Queen and also various >New Age religious stuff. I remember her excitedly telling me how she'd >had sex with the ghost of Freddie Mercury the night of his death.... >Make of this what you will...:-) In addition to Queen and various new age religious things, was she also into psychedelics, perchance? Damon P.S.: I thought Freddie - um - preferred the company of men? From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Mar 20 10:19:02 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:19:02 +0000 Subject: OFF: Andy's dodgy tastes in music (retitled for Andy) In-Reply-To: <01BD540F.E143C700.Andy.Gilham@btinternet.com> Message-ID: In article <01BD540F.E143C700.Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com>, Andy Gilham writes >Hey, I'm into Sin City as much as the next guy, I'm just taking the piss, >that's all! :) Chris isn't though, Andy. He describes it, as do a handful of others, as formula. I think its top stuff, but I always drink too much while reading it. -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Mar 20 10:15:47 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:15:47 +0000 Subject: OFF: Andy's dodgy tastes in music (retitled for Andy) In-Reply-To: <199803201407.PAA25310@online.no> Message-ID: In article <199803201407.PAA25310 at online.no>, reset writes > >"Kids"! Hah! Old man! :) What was that about the current Sin City? >Don't try to tell me THAT's a, errr, mature funnybook! S'all noir-formula, >done to death, the geezers fall for shallow style. Heh. Wait 'till Frank's next opus "300" comes out. I can't see the Spartan Wars being described as formulaic. You must've seen the previews, Chris, are you not intrigued? -- Jon From mumford at ONLINE.NO Sat Mar 21 05:27:56 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 11:27:56 +0100 Subject: OFF: the death of Freddie Mercury Message-ID: > On Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:45:34 EST StevenTice wrote: > >In a message dated 98-03-19 20:00:42 EST, you write: > ><< yes, and I will say, > > the day Freddie bit the dust was a bum day >> > > > >Hmmm, y'know, I knew a girl who was really into Queen and also various > >New Age religious stuff. I remember her excitedly telling me how she'd > >had sex with the ghost of Freddie Mercury the night of his death.... > >Make of this what you will...:-) Damon Capehart wrote: > In addition to Queen and various new age religious things, was she also > into psychedelics, perchance? Most New Ager's are just loopy by themselves without the aid of drugs. Actually, taking psychedelics would probably straighten them folks out a bit :) At best it will make them trade in their music collection for something good! > P.S.: I thought Freddie - um - preferred the company of men? Sorta why steven says to "make of that what you will" ? :) Christian From henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sat Mar 21 07:58:21 1998 From: henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:58:21 +0100 Subject: SV: HW: Quashing the rumour mill Message-ID: Hi folks. Cheers! Not that there has been *that* many rumours floating around, I thought that as I just spoke to "the" Dave on the phone I'd fill in the folk on the list where I can. It's true that the EBS *catalogue* is being sold. But this is not a case of DS stepping out of the picture, but rather a calculated manouver which will hopefully result in more exposure for the band. I'd rather not go into too many details, but suffice to say that there is nothing to panic about, and the end result *should* be more re-releases of now hard to get stuff, some long touted collaborations with ex-Hawks, and possibly even a *real* video clip (potentially mixed by Youth of Killing Joke fame .... but that's only a slight possibility at this stage), and maybe a new album (with special guests ...). Wouldn?t surprise me at all if they turn up on the EMI label where it all started (well, almost)! There is no news from the HW camp regarding new tour details as they are basically waiting for the current deals being worked on to come through first, but it is likely that around Strange Daze 98 there may be additional US shows (another mini Tour??) and hopefully the Aussie tour will *finally* happen. I'll be getting in touch with Dave again after my next trip to Taiwan is over (mid April), so hopefully I can fill people in a bit more then. As an aside, Ed Clark from the US (who, if you read HawkZine #48 or were there would know has the honour of being the person who travelled the most distance to be at the German HawkOn last June in Hamburg) sent me some photo's from the event - they are up on the OzHawks website at: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/OzHawks/hamburg97.html Thanks Ed! Yours in Space, Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! All the best Henrik ========================================================== Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik at sundsvall.mail.telia.com or hawkwind at hem.passagen.se Peace of mind records website: http://hem.passagen.se/hawkwind/ Fax +46 (0)70 6101310 / Phone +46 (0)70 6743729 or +46 (0)60 173716 From N.Widdows at BRADFORD.AC.UK Sat Mar 21 10:28:35 1998 From: N.Widdows at BRADFORD.AC.UK (Nick Widdows) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 15:28:35 +0000 Subject: HW : HLL's crop In-Reply-To: <199803201407.PAA25387@online.no> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:03:57 +0100 reset wrote: > > > writes: > > > >Was that the one I call the "Chris Waddle"? > > > > > > > >-Andy > > > > Jon Browne writes: > > > Dunno, the last footballer i can remember haircut-wise was Kevin Keegan. > > > > > > Sort of spikey on top, long at the back? > > > > > That's the one! > > In Norway that's called "fotballsveis" or "hockeysveis". > Hicks and hardcore Queen/sports fans still think it looks cool! ;) > > > Christian The haircut you refer to is known as "the mullet". Pity them... ---------------------- Nick Widdows NWiddows at bradford.ac.uk From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Mar 21 12:02:49 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:02:49 +0000 Subject: HW : HLL's crop In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Nick Widdows writes >On Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:03:57 +0100 reset > wrote: > >> > > writes: >> > > >Was that the one I call the "Chris Waddle"? >> > > > >> > > >-Andy >> > >> >> Jon Browne writes: >> >> > Dunno, the last footballer i can remember haircut-wise was Kevin Keegan. >> > > >> > > Sort of spikey on top, long at the back? >> >> >> >> > That's the one! >> >> In Norway that's called "fotballsveis" or "hockeysveis". >> Hicks and hardcore Queen/sports fans still think it looks cool! ;) >> >> >> Christian > >The haircut you refer to is known as "the mullet". Pity >them... >---------------------- The original "convoy cut" was *very* cropped on top, with the long bit more like the lock that Krishna's believe they'll be pulled up to heaven by. This is quite different to the "Pat Sharp" style kak that some have on their heads. Admittedly, Huw's was a bit longer than this, but it did suit him, I reckon. Mine didn't. -- Jon Browne From mumford at ONLINE.NO Sat Mar 21 12:54:46 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 18:54:46 +0100 Subject: HW : HLL's crop Message-ID: Aw, c'mon man, admit it - that haircut SUCKED! We all make mistakes every now and then, ok? :) What you are describing is the DESPICABLE "Rat Tail" thingie. We used to spit on kids at school with that cut. Especially if they had some contrived fishbone pattern progressing up to the crop on top. EEEEEEUUUUW!!! Oh well, the price I paid for not being "cool" in the 80s is probably MY mistake ;-))) Christian Jon Browne writes: > The original "convoy cut" was *very* cropped on top, with the long bit > more like the lock that Krishna's believe they'll be pulled up to heaven > by. This is quite different to the "Pat Sharp" style kak that some have > on their heads. Admittedly, Huw's was a bit longer than this, but it did > suit him, I reckon. Mine didn't. > -- > Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Mar 21 13:47:29 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 18:47:29 +0000 Subject: HW : HLL's crop In-Reply-To: <199803211757.SAA02507@online.no> Message-ID: In article <199803211757.SAA02507 at online.no>, reset writes >Aw, c'mon man, admit it - that haircut SUCKED! We all make mistakes every >now and then, ok? :) What you are describing is the DESPICABLE "Rat Tail" >thingie. We used to spit on kids at school with that cut. Especially if >they had some contrived fishbone pattern progressing up to the crop on top. >EEEEEEUUUUW!!! Oh well, the price I paid for not being "cool" in the 80s is >probably MY mistake ;-))) > >Christian You're not allowed to say "sucked", remember. You can say you personally didn't like the haircut, but to say it sucked is just juvenile. Anyone, it was one of the most influential haircuts of the '80's. You're just jealous, because all your bands had sucky haircuts. It was destroyed by imitators, who made it look poncey. The original convoy types had the best fucking haircuts going. They was THAT hard! -- Jon Drunk again. From mumford at ONLINE.NO Sat Mar 21 14:05:46 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 20:05:46 +0100 Subject: SV: HW : HLL's crop Message-ID: > > You're not allowed to say "sucked", remember. You can say you personally > didn't like the haircut, but to say it sucked is just juvenile. > > Anyone, it was one of the most influential haircuts of the '80's. > > You're just jealous, because all your bands had sucky haircuts. > > It was destroyed by imitators, who made it look poncey. The original > convoy types had the best fucking haircuts going. They was THAT hard! > -- The biggest loada shit I heard sice god knows when!!! Listen: IT S * U * C * K * E * D !!! ALMOST LIKE M*A*S*H ON TV ONLY WORSE!!!! send the paddywagon, Christian (they just started selling Lysholmer with springand 80MB RAM and Photoshop 4.02 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhrrrrrggggggggglrlrgrgrgrgrggrahhhhh h!!!!!!!!!!!!)) > Jon > Drunk again. From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sat Mar 21 14:52:03 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 19:52:03 +0000 Subject: BOC: Texas wackos In-Reply-To: <3ca7b982.35134fbe@aol.com> Message-ID: At 00:27 21/03/98 EST, you wrote: >I was watching Headline News the other day and they were doing a feature on a >bunch of Japanese cultists who have set up shop in Texas. From the story, it >was obvious that they were just as looney as any given cult, complete with the >little Japanese boys in cowboy hats who are supposed to be the reincarnations >of Buddha and Jesus. But the funny thing is, they believe that God is going >to return to Earth this month, and he'll appear there, in Texas. What day is >God scheduled to arrive? March 24! > >What can I say to that except...heaven forbid! :-) > >SET > > It must be an omen: Mrch 24th is the anniversary of my (soon to be ended) marriage...food for thought indeed *g* ChrisW Yes, I'm back (and in black....) From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sat Mar 21 14:55:59 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 19:55:59 +0000 Subject: OFF: the death of Freddie Mercury In-Reply-To: <199803210838.CAA19912@mail.mymail.net> Message-ID: At 02:38 21/03/98 -0600, you wrote: >On Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:45:34 EST StevenTice wrote: >>In a message dated 98-03-19 20:00:42 EST, you write: >><< yes, and I will say, >> the day Freddie bit the dust was a bum day >> >> >>Hmmm, y'know, I knew a girl who was really into Queen and also various >>New Age religious stuff. I remember her excitedly telling me how she'd >>had sex with the ghost of Freddie Mercury the night of his death.... >>Make of this what you will...:-) > >In addition to Queen and various new age religious things, was she also >into psychedelics, perchance? > >Damon > >P.S.: I thought Freddie - um - preferred the company of men? > > I thought he was "versatile".... ChrisW From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sat Mar 21 15:26:31 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 20:26:31 -0000 Subject: OFF: Andy's dodgy tastes in music (retitled for Andy) Message-ID: On Friday, March 20, 1998 3:19 PM, Jon Browne [SMTP:jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK] wrote: > In article <01BD540F.E143C700.Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com>, Andy Gilham > writes > >Hey, I'm into Sin City as much as the next guy, I'm just taking the piss, > > > >that's all! :) > > Chris isn't though, Andy. He describes it, as do a handful of others, as > formula. He's just JEALOUS because he can't draw like Frank. And even if he doesn't like it, he can't deny the TALENT! OOPS I'll start again Yes, it probably is formulaic - it's written within a very tightly-defined subgenre - but I really don't see that as a problem. Most of the music we love is formulaic too! In fact that was my problem with Bat Out of Hell :) -Andy ObCD: Miles Davis remixed by Bill Laswell - _Panthalassa_ -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET Sun Mar 22 04:24:23 1998 From: hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 03:24:23 -0600 Subject: HW: misc Message-ID: I see strange daze is advertised as being from August 13 through August 16(four daze?). Is there going to be music for four daze or is the campground just going to availabe to strange dazers for an extra 2 daze? Are tickets going on sale soon? I anticipate this years audience to be bigger than last years and I want to lock in my tickets as soon as able. Any reports on Chrome's first concert. I believe it was last night. I'd love to hear about it. I'm in great need of contact information for Feddo Reiners(sp?). He is a prog rock trader. I believe he is from Sweden, or around there, somewhere. Anyway I owe him a tape and I don't have his address or e-mail info. If anybody knows anyway to contact him PLEASE let me know, or have him contact me. thanks -- DAN WITT ST. CLOUD, MN -- MINNEAPOLIS, MN USA From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Sun Mar 22 08:50:53 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 08:50:53 -0500 Subject: HW: misc Message-ID: Dan Witt wrote: > I see strange daze is advertised as being from August 13 through August > 16(four daze?). Is there going to be music for four daze or is the > campground just going to availabe to strange dazers for an extra 2 daze? > Are tickets going on sale soon? > > I anticipate this years audience to be bigger than last years and I want > to lock in my tickets as soon as able. the audience WILL most likely be a bit larger. but there is no way that they will sell out. not possible. but i, and many other people on this list, will find out when they go on sale as soon as they do, and you can count on it being posted to this list asap. as for the extra daze? dunno. but if im gonna drive all that distance, the longer the better. i hope to see the same faces this year in the crowd (+). i plan to keep my head more or less in THIS plane of existence, so i imagine i _may_ be able to hold coherent conversation. last year i left the fest feeling a bit embarrassed, as i got so brain-fried that i could scarcely communicate. i don't normally party, so it all hit me pretty hard. anyway, i imagine security this year will be at least a little tighter. rj From henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sun Mar 22 12:42:14 1998 From: henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 18:42:14 +0100 Subject: HW records for sale. Message-ID: Greetings space cadets! There are a few HW-records (lp?s) for sale on my webpage. If you?re into other forms of progressive rock you might find a few items of interest as well. All the best Henrik ========================================================== Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik at sundsvall.mail.telia.com or hawkwind at hem.passagen.se Peace of mind records website: http://hem.passagen.se/hawkwind/ Fax +46 (0)70 6101310 / Phone +46 (0)70 6743729 or +46 (0)60 173716 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Sun Mar 22 19:54:33 1998 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (Peter Worley) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 16:54:33 -0800 Subject: OFF: the death of Freddie Mercury In-Reply-To: <199803211030.LAA00328@online.no> Message-ID: > > > P.S.: I thought Freddie - um - preferred the company of men? > > Sorta why steven says to "make of that what you will" ? :) I believe Freddy once said he'd f**k anything that moved. -Pete From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Sun Mar 22 23:16:20 1998 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 23:16:20 -0500 Subject: BOC: Tower Records check In-Reply-To: <37b423ed.3512f947@aol.com> from "Nebosuke" at Mar 20, 98 06:18:27 pm Message-ID: Nebosuke writes: > > Well at least one of the local Tower's has Heaven Forbid on-site as of now, > but claim they won't be in the racks until Tuesday morning...will stop by a > couple on the way home tonight and see if something made it to the racks by > mistake or can be pried out of them... > > -Chris Baker > Well, I just checked my email after a weekend away from home, and found a note from CDNow telling me that my order (including Heaven Forbid) shipped on the 20th. When I originally placed the order, I believe they claimed that they'd ship it so that it would arrive on the release date, so I'm expecting it in my mailbox on tuesday. You know, it's a strange sensation, waiting on the arrival of an album that I was in frantic anticipation of almost a decade ago. By the end of the 1980's it was apparent that the new album wasn't going to follow hot on the heels of Imaginos, and I settled in for what I thought would be an "extended" wait. If only I'd had any idea how extended... ;-) By the early 90's, I was starting to take the yearly announcement of the new forthcoming album (wasn't it almost always due out in May?) with a grain of salt. By the mid-1990's it had become something of a standing joke on this list and amongst my friends. Now, that the album almost certainly exists (after this many years, I'll only *really* believe it when I hear the music coming out of my stereo), I find that my attitude is more one of curiosity than any real red-hot, pins-and-needles anticipation. It's just been so long, and the band that I loved back then has undergone so many changes that I have no idea what I'm really expecting from them at this point. I have some theories, of course, but this is too rare an occasion for me to give in to my usual tendency for opinionated speculation. ;-) A new Blue Oyster Cult album? It must be the end of the millenium; the world is become strange... Steve From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Mon Mar 23 01:09:22 1998 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:09:22 +1100 Subject: BOC: Tower Records check Message-ID: At 23:16 22/03/98 -0500, Stephen Swann wrote: >Now, that the album almost certainly exists (after this many years, >I'll only *really* believe it when I hear the music coming out of my >stereo), I find that my attitude is more one of curiosity than any >real red-hot, pins-and-needles anticipation. It's just been so long, >and the band that I loved back then has undergone so many changes that >I have no idea what I'm really expecting from them at this point. I >have some theories, of course, but this is too rare an occasion for me >to give in to my usual tendency for opinionated speculation. ;-) Every release of this band has been somewhat difficult to predict in terms of sound and style. How much of a shock would AoF have been to those expecting another ST? How about the transition from Mirrors to CE? etc etc. So, what I have come to expect is a change. I am happy when the latest B?C sounds nothing like the last (yet still distinctively B?C), becuase that is a constant as far as our heroes go. I can't wait. I have ordered my copy from the USA and it will be here Thursday, and my friend and I are making a special trip to Melbourne just to pick our copies up....and then listen to it in the car stereo on the way back!!- *ROCK AND ROLL!!!!!!* Troy > >A new Blue Oyster Cult album? It must be the end of the millenium; >the world is become strange... > >Steve > =========================================== Troy Harris fiskare at webconcept.com.au P O Box 1066 Mornington Vic. 3931 Australia From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Mon Mar 23 01:14:10 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 23:14:10 -0700 Subject: OFF: the death of Freddie Mercury In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > > > > P.S.: I thought Freddie - um - preferred the company of men? > > > > Sorta why steven says to "make of that what you will" ? :) > > I believe Freddy once said he'd f**k anything that moved. > > -Pete Wasn't that Frank Booth? Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Mar 23 04:31:05 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:31:05 +0000 Subject: SV: HW : HLL's crop In-Reply-To: <199803211908.UAA18027@online.no> Message-ID: In article <199803211908.UAA18027 at online.no>, reset writes >The biggest loada shit I heard sice god knows when!!! Listen: IT > S * U * C * K * E * D !!! I was joking, man. Do you means Huw's specifically or the "fitba-sveg" in general. > >ALMOST LIKE M*A*S*H ON TV ONLY WORSE!!!! Was that with the laughtrack (US TV) or without (UK sty-lee)? Or the Manics version of the theme? -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Mar 23 04:32:43 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:32:43 +0000 Subject: OFF: the death of Freddie Mercury In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980321195559.0079bc50@mail.clara.net> Message-ID: In article <3.0.5.32.19980321195559.0079bc50 at mail.clara.net>, Chris Warburton writes >> > >I thought he was "versatile".... > >ChrisW Welcome back, Chris. -- Jon From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Mar 23 05:37:38 1998 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:37:38 +0100 Subject: HW: misc Message-ID: >I'm in great need of contact information for Feddo Reiners(sp?). He is a >prog rock trader. I believe he is from Sweden, or around there, >somewhere. ..."or around there somewhere"... hmph... But maybe I can help you... do you have a clue of which part of Sweden he lives in? Feddo Reiner is not a Swedish name though... sounds more like a Dutch name to me... To Scott: I still got your tapes... somewhere... I'm moving to another town on Friday so I'm afraid I can't find them right now. But I'll send 'em to you sooner or later (prob. later... but I think you expect that now anyway :-( To everybody else: It looks like I'll have to sign off BOC-l sometime this week. I think my e-mail adress will work a few months from now. I'm not sure about it though. New adress will probably be: daniel.wikdahl at svt.se but only for a brief period. I'll say 'bye to you when I leave - I'll come back as soon as I can (hey maybe even in april - who knows). 'tj? - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From mumford at ONLINE.NO Mon Mar 23 07:05:46 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 13:05:46 +0100 Subject: SV: HW : HLL's crop Message-ID: I wrote: > writes > >The biggest loada shit I heard sice god knows when!!! Listen: IT > > S * U * C * K * E * D !!! > I was joking, man. Well, it all went blank after that. Woke up to the odour of my own malty emanations a few hours later. > > Do you means Huw's specifically or the "fitba-sveg" in general. I just thought it was a horrible haircut - like having two things going at once... the male/bulldyke equivilant of what some trashy women in US wear, a sort of fried, frizzled perm on top and long hair around. Y'know, like at the supermarket or shopping mall or Ricki Lake, whatever. Short on top, long on back, looks bad no matter how you do it IMO. ;) > Was that with the laughtrack (US TV) or without (UK sty-lee)? > Or the Manics version of the theme? > -- > Jon Oh, with a laughtrack, for sure! Christian From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Mar 23 08:13:04 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 13:13:04 -0000 Subject: SV: HW : HLL's crop Message-ID: On Monday, March 23, 1998 12:06 PM, reset [SMTP:mumford at ONLINE.NO] wrote: > Short on top, > long on back, looks bad no matter how you do it IMO. ;) > Hmmm... Alan Davey's wearing it *very* short on top these days, and he looks OK. But I guess that's different! :) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Mar 23 09:15:54 1998 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:15:54 +0100 Subject: SV: HW : HLL's crop Message-ID: At 01:13 PM 3/23/98 -0000, you wrote: >On Monday, March 23, 1998 12:06 PM, reset [SMTP:mumford at ONLINE.NO] wrote: >> Short on top, >> long on back, looks bad no matter how you do it IMO. ;) >> > >Hmmm... Alan Davey's wearing it *very* short on top these days, and he >looks OK. But I guess that's different! :) > >-Andy > Follow this link and you'll see some nice "hockeyfrillor" (as we call it in Sweden): http://www.algonet.se/~sfg/stud/flarpen/hockey.html I'm afraid it's always ugly - no matter who has it - and HLL had one of the worst I ever seen... (but I must admit that I liked his haircut better than his hairstyle... I guess that says a lot of what I think of HLL :-) And AD? I dunno - is he going bald? (rush*suck*reference... :-) Moi, mukulat! - Daniel "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Mar 23 09:23:47 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:23:47 -0500 Subject: BOC: Tower Records check Message-ID: >A new Blue Oyster Cult album? It must be the end of the millenium; the world is become strange... Aye, these are strange times indeed my friend. The world has moved on and nothing is at it once seemed... As for me, I'm just trying to keep my underwear clean and dry... TOMORROW IS THE DAY!!!!! John From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Mar 23 09:29:18 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 06:29:18 -0800 Subject: OFF: What the F***???- U Don't want to know Message-ID: >GEEZE folks, I go away for 3 days, and THIS happens? BOC is now less than a week from releasing their first album in 10 years and you are all discussing Queen? What the F*** is up with that? Approx. 2-3 years ago a young man wise beyond his years begged the denizens of BOC-L to go beyond "Rox" "Sux" comments on songs, artists and albums. Recent Queen flap was one of the reasons why. See what happens when dad leaves the kids in charge. Ghost in the Ruins From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Mar 23 09:31:48 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 06:31:48 -0800 Subject: BOC: HF Prices Message-ID: Gang, When you snag a copy of HF can you list where and price? In my area looks like Best Buy and Circuit City will win this war. Both carry many CMC titles/artist and are generally cheaper than Towers/Sam Goody. Will be happy to keep score. Thanks Ghost in the Ruins OBCD - Animal Instincts, Gary Hoey From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Mar 23 10:01:00 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:01:00 GMT Subject: OFF: Stop Laughing - Now In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:31:05 +0000 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > In article <199803211908.UAA18027 at online.no>, reset > writes > >The biggest loada shit I heard sice god knows when!!! Listen: IT > > S * U * C * K * E * D !!! > I was joking, man. Be it decreed from henceforth that THERE SHALL BE NO MORE JOKING. Neither shall there be Cynicism nor Satire nor shall there be any laughter nor humour. For the millenium cometh, when the Old Order Changeth - the clocks are run down and time will expire as the Great 9 which curls in upon Itself unwinds to consume its own Tail into an endless 0 and the Great Joker in the Sky will stretch his mouth into laughter and be consumed by it. And in preparation for that day from henceforth all jest will be taken seriously, all serious comment will be taken as criticism and all who criticise will be condemned to sit in a room and listen to Leonard Cohen forever or until they feel better. So there. Oh and anyone who even admits to watching the Highlander TV series will be given immediate counselling and brain reconditioning therapy. This is not a joke. jill obNeedingaHawkwindGig>being reduced to watching MenZone on Sunday mornings just to see snippets of Old Grey Whistle Test reruns - sad... 8-( ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Mon Mar 23 09:24:38 1998 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:24:38 +0200 Subject: HW: Lemmy Message-ID: Here is what lemmy said in Kerrang: Dec 1997 OLD RECORD YOU'D RECOMMEND TO A KERRANG! READER? "I remember when the first Elvis record came out, so I'd need to pick a classic from each era. I'll pick one from the '70's and recommend that people listen to Hawkwind's 'Space Ritual Alive'. I also heard that Lemmy has quit smoking. the world must be coming to an end! Scott ObCs- Estes Brothers (US 1971) R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 38 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From acobley at COMPUTING.DUNDEE.AC.UK Mon Mar 23 10:23:43 1998 From: acobley at COMPUTING.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy C) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:23:43 +0000 Subject: OFF: Stop Laughing - Now Message-ID: J Strobridge wrote: > > > obNeedingaHawkwindGig>being reduced to watching MenZone on Sunday > mornings just to see snippets of Old Grey Whistle Test reruns - > sad... 8-( > > Which reminds me, Did Hawkwind ever paly the old grey whistle test ? and if not why not ? Surely they where pefect material for the show. Andy C -- "The most popular genre is comedy (19%) and is particularly attractive to girls, with 23% of girls selecting it. Perhaps surprisingly the second choiceamong the girls was horror (14% of the female vote). " Media Matters, Herald Survey, What They Watch From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Mar 23 12:07:55 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:07:55 +0000 Subject: OFF: Stop Laughing - Now In-Reply-To: <199803231501.PAA03737@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <199803231501.PAA03737 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, J Strobridge writes >Be it decreed from henceforth that THERE SHALL BE NO MORE JOKING. >Neither shall there be Cynicism nor Satire nor shall there be any >laughter nor humour. For the millenium cometh, when the Old Order >Changeth - the clocks are run down and time will expire as the Great 9 >which curls in upon Itself unwinds to consume its own Tail into an >endless 0 and the Great Joker in the Sky will stretch his mouth into >laughter and be consumed by it. And in preparation for that day >from henceforth all jest will be taken seriously, all serious comment >will be taken as criticism and all who criticise will be condemned to >sit in a room and listen to Leonard Cohen forever or until they feel >better. So there. > >Oh and anyone who even admits to watching the Highlander TV series will >be given immediate counselling and brain reconditioning therapy. > >This is not a joke. > >jill I like Leonard Cohen. I like him quite a lot actually. I think I'll go and listen to "Sisters Of Mercy", right now. He does make me feel better. I read a hysterical interview with him recently. He's a Buddhist Monk now. He was asked if he felt any better these days and he said "No, it's awful. You would have thought when you get to my age, you would begin to manifest wisdom. This was a big mistake. I hate it." He has a harmonium hidden behind the fireplace to write music, as this is expressly forbidden by the order. No new LP forthcoming! -- Jon ObCD Songs of "Smilin'" Leonard Cohen. From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Mon Mar 23 13:19:09 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Nebosuke) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 13:19:09 EST Subject: BOC: Tower Records check Message-ID: Steve Swann wrote > Now that the album almost certainly exists LOL! Now that is some hard-core skepticism! Had a dream last night that I arrived at Tower when they opened, didn't see HF in the racks...asked at the counter for the new BOC and they said, oh yes, we have it, just haven't put it out yet...here ya go...and as they slid an LP (!) across the counter I heard them say "first cut on the second side is a real head-banger"...I saw the faux-oriental lettering and the hideous, hideous colors...and saw the calendar on the wall behind them, 1986, no, no, sweet jesus NOOOOOOOOOOOOO... -Chris Baker From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Mar 23 12:47:26 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:47:26 +0000 Subject: BOC: Tower Records check In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 22 Mar 1998 23:16:20 EST." <199803230416.XAA19603@st-canard.spc.edu> Message-ID: Steve writes - > Now, that the album almost certainly exists (after this many years, > I'll only *really* believe it when I hear the music coming out of my > stereo), I find that my attitude is more one of curiosity than any > real red-hot, pins-and-needles anticipation. It's just been so long, > and the band that I loved back then has undergone so many changes that > I have no idea what I'm really expecting from them at this point. I think part of the reason I'm not particularly fired up about HF is that my taste in music has mutated and expanded so dramatically in all those years BOC have been away, whereas I'm not so sure the band's direction will have kept up. Around the late 80s BOC occupied a huge chunk of my stereo time, vying with the likes of Judas Priest and (ahem) Rush. I had maybe 100 LPs & tapes back then. These days I have about 600 CDs to choose from, including genres and artists I would have gagged on 10 years ago. I'll still buy HF when I find it at a decent price (see, I can't even be arse'd to pay import prices :), I'll still hope its excellent, but the competition is just so much stiffer now. cheers, Tim ObCD: black tape for a blue girl, _remnants of a deeper purity_ From deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET Mon Mar 23 15:00:50 1998 From: deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET (Aaron Crandall) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:00:50 -0800 Subject: Off: Projekt (was: BOC: Tower Records check) Message-ID: > >ObCD: black tape for a blue girl, _remnants of a deeper purity_ > Nice to see someone else who has actually heard of the Projekt label! Tim, have you heard the latest Lycia album "Cold"? I *really* enjoy this CD. Speaking of picking up CDs at a decent price, a couple weeks ago I found the most recent lovliescrushing CD used for 99 cents! What a bargain... Aaron From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Mar 23 14:16:43 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:16:43 -0500 Subject: BOC: Tower Records check Message-ID: >Had a dream last night that I arrived at Tower when they opened, didn't see HF in the racks...asked at the counter for the new BOC and they said, oh yes, we have it, just haven't put it out yet...here ya go...and as they slid an LP (!) across the counter I heard them say "first cut on the second side is a real head-banger"...I saw the faux-oriental lettering and the hideous, hideous colors...and saw the calendar on the wall behind them, 1986, no, no, sweet jesus NOOOOOOOOOOOO O... Aw shit, Chris, now I DO have to change my underwear! That was a good one! John From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Mon Mar 23 14:38:14 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:38:14 -0700 Subject: Off: Projekt (was: BOC: Tower Records check) In-Reply-To: <002401bd5696$60fcb820$7b01010a@aaronpc.cyberhighway.net> Message-ID: > > >ObCD: black tape for a blue girl, _remnants of a deeper purity_ > > > > Nice to see someone else who has actually heard of the Projekt label! Tim, > have you heard the latest Lycia album "Cold"? I *really* enjoy this CD. > Speaking of picking up CDs at a decent price, a couple weeks ago I found the > most recent lovliescrushing CD used for 99 cents! What a bargain... > > Aaron 'Love Spirals Downwards' always sends shivers (the good kind) through my brain.......... Kevin Sommers primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu. From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Mar 23 14:46:14 1998 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:46:14 +0100 Subject: BOC: Tower Records check Message-ID: Tim: >I think part of the reason I'm not particularly fired up about HF is that >my taste in music has mutated and expanded so dramatically in all those years >BOC have been away, whereas I'm not so sure the band's direction will have >kept up. > >Around the late 80s BOC occupied a huge chunk of my stereo time, vying with >the likes of Judas Priest and (ahem) Rush. I had maybe 100 LPs & tapes back >then. These days I have about 600 CDs to choose from, including genres and >artists I would have gagged on 10 years ago. I'll still buy HF when I find it >at a decent price (see, I can't even be arse'd to pay import prices :), I'll >still hope its excellent, but the competition is just so much stiffer now. > Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Same thing here (I don't have 600 CDs though... :-( And...ehrm...please excuse me folks... I'm not _that_ overwhelmed by CU In Black... I think they sound tired... _so_ tired of rock'n'roll... but they won't admit it so they try to play more aggressive than ever before, but fails 'cos there's no real spark in their performance... And if you look at Hard Rock as a whole: CU In Black has been done better hundred of times by hundred of bands before. Just clich?s. Nothing new. No originality. But still - I'll buy HF as soon as I can. ...and, of course, I hope I'm wrong... Everything above IMHO. And I hope at least you guys will like it. mvh - Daniel Wikdahl PS P? svenska kan man vara lite rakare tror jag... det ?r ingen riktig kuk i CU In Black... bandet l?ter som ett g?ng lama fr?lsningssoldater som blivit elektrifierade av misstag och undrar vad sjutton man kan g?ra f?r att f? det att sluta skorra s? f?rf?rligt... rytmsektionen ?r den profill?saste jag n?gonsin st?tt p?... och jag b?var inf?r att beh?va h?ra den - a l? ?ttiotals H?rdRocks man?r - obligatoriska balladen p? skivan... gah... tack n?gon f?r att Hawkwind finns... de har ?tminstone ett eget uttryck fortfarande... DS "Byalagen ?r r?dgivare ?t de politiska n?mnderna, s? ?r det." -Joachim H?kansson Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN +46 480 245 11 From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Mar 23 14:50:21 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:50:21 +0000 Subject: OFF: the death of Freddie Mercury In-Reply-To: <5rUBSHA7wiF1Ewh0@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: At 09:32 23/03/98 +0000, you wrote: >In article <3.0.5.32.19980321195559.0079bc50 at mail.clara.net>, Chris >Warburton writes >>> >> >>I thought he was "versatile".... >> >>ChrisW > >Welcome back, Chris. >-- >Jon > > Now give me something to get my teeth into - anybody wanna diss FZ? ChrisW From mumford at ONLINE.NO Mon Mar 23 14:56:27 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:56:27 +0100 Subject: OFF: Stop Laughing - Now Message-ID: I too like Cohen. Yeah, he's a monk, I saw a whole documentary on TV with him about it. Its like he knows it sucks but does it anyway cos he knows he'll come out of it a better person ;) Christian From mumford at ONLINE.NO Mon Mar 23 15:09:37 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:09:37 +0100 Subject: OFF: the death of psychedelics Message-ID: Warburton writes > Now give me something to get my teeth into - anybody wanna diss FZ? > > ChrisW No but I will say this: FZ never was "psych". At best he was anti-psych. Even better, maybe he was anti-anti-anti-psych, but without figuring out the first couple of psych's, he still was psych in a borderline sort of way. But never "pure" psych. He never took psychedelics, and yes, a few people are "psychedelic" not taking psychedelics. But FZ never struck me as "psychedelic". Whereas say, Capt. Beefheart, sure, he certainly did psychedelics, and certainly was psychedelic absolutely in every sense of the word, no matter what your psychedelic POV is. Maybe FZ was anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-psychedelic? Maybe he wasn't???? I don't know, its all so confusing. I will have to put on a FZ record and investigate further. Christian PS: nothing is psychedelic From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Mar 23 15:38:35 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:38:35 -0800 Subject: OFF: Wallis-era UFO Message-ID: This message was composed with one specific Danish-residing M.D. degree-holding listmember in mind, but since the question is vaguely on-topic ... I've wondered about this for ages, and have been reminded by the fact that the band are actually touring (?!?) currently, which made me pull out my copies of the first couple albums (with Mick Bolton), especially for the way-out Space Rock on the second. For about two years between the Bolton and Schenker tenures, Larry Wallis (post-Shagrat, pre-Pink Fairies, Motorhead) was the guitarist for UFO. In a Forced Exposure interview about ten or twelve years ago, he said that the band toured incessantly during that time, but due to a contractual/legal dispute with their previous label (Nova), they were unable to record for their new label, Chrysalis, and that he quit in frustration over being unable to put a record out (the same reason he gave for quitting Motorhead, 5 or 6 years later!). Incidentally, in the interview, Larry lived up to his reputation as a cranky old drunk (one he shares with his pal Mick Farren), but reserved special above-and-beyond-the-call-of-duty venom for only two of his former bandmates: Twink and Phil Mogg. Anyway, my question: do any live tapes of UFO with Wallis on guitar exist? I seriously doubt it, but if any do, I NEED to hear them! (And for that matter, what about Motorhead live performances with Wallis? Again, given the number of Motorhead live albums in recent years, I'd have to believe that if such a thing existed, it would've already come out, but I gotta ask.) Thanks, -Doug ceres at sirius.com ObCD: Amon D??l 'Experimente' From mumford at ONLINE.NO Mon Mar 23 15:47:09 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:47:09 +0100 Subject: Wallis-era UFO Message-ID: Well, what I read in the "Tapestry of Delights" book was that Wallis "taught" UFO the HM chic, wearing leather etc., ditching the whole hippy thang (I'll have to say I only care for their early spacerock suff, but ok ;) and going for an out-n-out HM image. I've actually thought about the whole Wallis/UFO quite abit as (nearly ;) the strangest HW "link" out there. Yeah Scott, I'm sure you have some tapes ;) Christian From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Mar 23 15:49:49 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:49:49 -0500 Subject: BOC: Tower Records check Message-ID: >And...ehrm...please excuse me folks... I'm not _that_ overwhelmed by CU In Black... I think they sound tired... _so_ tired of rock'n'roll... but they won't admit it so they try to play more aggressive than ever before, but fails 'cos there's no real spark in their performance... WHAT?!?!?! Well, you are entitled to your opinion - but is this assessment of SYIB based on a live show, or the actual recording? And, if the actual recording, was it off the radio or internet? My point being that I've heard the HF version of SYIB live on the radio - I taped it and I can't play it enough. Tired? No way! This song kicks butt. Then again, this song doesn't reflect how the whole album sounds, so the fact that 1 or 2 songs are "more agressive" doesn't indicate to me that BOC is somehow "tired of rock'n'roll". The song also appears to be getting a very strong reception at their shows these days too. Perhaps some of the other songs on HF will convince you that BOC still has "spark". >And if you look at Hard Rock as a whole: CU In Black has been done better hundred of times by hundred of bands before. Just clichis. Nothing new. No originality. Oh, I wouldn't say that. Yeah, the speed-thing has been done (and don't forget that BOC is one of the main influences of that style - Metallica cites BOC as a major influence - so, now BOC is the master back to show the student how it's done!), but SYIB also makes use of odd-time signatures, which is NOT cliche in the hard rock world. So, I think it does sparkle with originality - and Buck's guitar work it brilliant in it. >But still - I'll buy HF as soon as I can. ...and, of course, I hope I'm wrong... I hope you are too, and hopefully at least some of the variety present on this disc will resonate with you. John From johnv at NCWEB.COM Mon Mar 23 21:45:37 1998 From: johnv at NCWEB.COM (john villani) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:45:37 -0500 Subject: FARFLUNG Message-ID: >im looking for a couple of farflung releases if anyone would be interested in trading any space related audios (i have a pretty decent collection) im looking for copies only not originals. your list gets mine thanks. From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Tue Mar 24 03:11:23 1998 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 00:11:23 -0800 Subject: HW: HW/Kraut/Prog/Psyche 4 Sale Message-ID: Thought ya'll should know: I found a website whose address is: www.californiaalbums.com Under the Metal section is some HW, under '60s Non-American groups plenty of '70s prog/kraut/psyche and under '60s Psyche plenty of...you guessed it--psyche. Well, I don't know anything about this place, but I found their ad in Goldmine, so that might say something about their validity. All are for bid. Charlie From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Tue Mar 24 02:36:28 1998 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:36:28 +0200 Subject: OFF: Wallis-era UFO In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980323123835.007b8a20@sirius.com> Message-ID: >This message was composed with one specific Danish-residing M.D. >degree-holding listmember in mind, but since the question is vaguely >on-topic ... > Actually, a PhD! but....... >I've wondered about this for ages, and have been reminded by the fact that >the band are actually touring (?!?) currently, which made me pull out my >copies of the first couple albums (with Mick Bolton), especially for the >way-out Space Rock on the second. For about two years between the Bolton >and Schenker tenures, Larry Wallis (post-Shagrat, pre-Pink Fairies, >Motorhead) was the guitarist for UFO. In a Forced Exposure interview about >ten or twelve years ago, he said that the band toured incessantly during >that time, but due to a contractual/legal dispute with their previous label >(Nova), they were unable to record for their new label, Chrysalis, and that >he quit in frustration over being unable to put a record out (the same >reason he gave for quitting Motorhead, 5 or 6 years later!). Incidentally, >in the interview, Larry lived up to his reputation as a cranky old drunk >(one he shares with his pal Mick Farren), but reserved special >above-and-beyond-the-call-of-duty venom for only two of his former >bandmates: Twink and Phil Mogg. > >Anyway, my question: do any live tapes of UFO with Wallis on guitar exist? I do have one 30 min tape that is almost for sure Larry Wallis. I do have a couple with Bernie Marsden on lead as well, before Schenker joined. VT11 - MARQUEE CLUB, LONDON, UK.2/22/71?) 30M VG/EX (Bolton) 1654 - BEAT CLUB 1971 5M VG/EX (Bolton) 3893 - KIEL, GERMANY 5/8/71 80M VG/EX- (Bolton) - unknows 1972 (with L.Wallis) 38m vg/ex 862 - MANHEIM,GERMANY 4/29/73 (Bernie Marsden) 5026 - BERLIN, GERMANY 5/8/73? 30M VG/EX (Bernie Marsden) >I seriously doubt it, but if any do, I NEED to hear them! (And for that >matter, what about Motorhead live performances with Wallis? Again, given >the number of Motorhead live albums in recent years, I'd have to believe >that if such a thing existed, it would've already come out, but I gotta ask.) Yes, I have the very first Motorhead gig 3144 - ROUDNHOUSE, LONDON 7/20/75 45M VG (1ST GIG EVER) and this has Larry Wallis and Lucas Fox! This is the only one I know of. The next earliest tape I am aware of by Motorhead is mid 76' and Fast Eddie was in the line up by then. Sorry to everyone about the large off tpoic file.. SCott ObCs- White Lightning- Under the Screaming Double Eagle (US 1968) R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 38 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET Tue Mar 24 05:38:13 1998 From: hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 04:38:13 -0600 Subject: HW misc Message-ID: > ..."or around there somewhere"... hmph... > But maybe I can help you... do you have a clue of which part of Sweden he > lives in? > Feddo Reiner is not a Swedish name though... sounds more like a Dutch name to > me... With the kind help of Scott Heller I have found feddo. He's not responding to e-mail, but I do have his e-mail address. Anybody seen Chrome? Anybody, somebody? -- DAN WITT ST. CLOUD, MN -- MINNEAPOLIS, MN USA From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Mar 24 04:29:35 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:29:35 +0000 Subject: OFF: the death of Freddie Mercury In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980323195021.0079eda0@mail.clara.net> Message-ID: In article <3.0.5.32.19980323195021.0079eda0 at mail.clara.net>, Chris Warburton writes >Now give me something to get my teeth into - anybody wanna diss FZ? > >ChrisW Why on Earth would anyone want to do that? -- Jon From micci at SCI.FI Tue Mar 24 10:12:34 1998 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:12:34 +0200 Subject: tour book Message-ID: Hi! I wonder that is here anybody who can help. I have strange Space Ritual tour book. Actually I?m not sure is this tour book at all. It?s one big printed both side paper which is foldet to A4 size and it?s black and white. Can anyone confirm is this original tour book or what? Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Mar 24 10:38:46 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:38:46 -0800 Subject: BOC: An Open letter to BOC-L About HF Message-ID: Dear Memebers of BOC: I stand here on my electronic soap box to address a matter most urgent. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE? Today is the day when HF is available to the general public and folks seem to be crying in their beers. Am I missing something here? Last year when the German record deal fell through there was great sadness; many felt 3/24/98 would never come, myself included. Well the day arrives and yet post continue to flow in about lesser expectations, opinions that SYIB is derivative and been done before. Get a grip folks, its here and now so lets party! If you buy it and think its the second comming of Club Ninja or worse, so be it and so state it. You have every right to do so. But think on this, BOC after ten years have provided us die hards with something we have long desired, a new album. Can't we just celebrate this achievement? Can't we just be happy for the moment that Buck still plays, Eric still sings and Alan still smokes (cigarettes)? You guys can do what you want and you can say how you feel but I'm taking this my way. A major achievement for a band I love, a new album, when the general public gave them up for dead. I don't care if its the worst thing they have ever done, this one is gonna be special {ugly cover art notwithstanding 8>) }. As soon as its in my sweaty little hands, still in its wrapper its gonna be in my top three BOC albums along with ST and Feet Knees simply because the damn thing exists. I will not provide a review that says "this effort falls far short of the glory. power and majesty of Tyranny and Mutation." Ask me and I'll say "SYIB rocks. Harvest Moon kicks ass. There ain't a bad song on this suker." Now stop the damn whinning and get over to your local record store and buy the damn thing. Put you mouth and typing fingers wheer they belong support the band with your wallet/purse but more importantly with your positive attitude. It is not that difficult. Sincerely, Ghost in the Ruins Who ain't froogin to no other cd's or even playing a tape unless and until he got his copy of HF in hand. From mlooney at IONET.NET Tue Mar 24 11:04:06 1998 From: mlooney at IONET.NET (Mike Looney - ionet) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:04:06 -0600 Subject: BOC: An Open letter to BOC-L About HF Message-ID: BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: > Who ain't froogin to no other cd's or even playing a tape unless and > until he got his copy of HF in hand. Due to the way my paychecks fall this month, it will be a couple of weeks before I can get a hold of HF. But I am doing something to celebrate to day. I am playing all the BOC CD's back to back, in release order, execpt for Club Nija, which I don't have. Currenly playing "She's as beautiful as a foot" obQuestion: Did they know that "foot" is a crude term for a woman's private parts in German when they wrote that song? At least that is what I was told when I was stationed in Germany, I am not a German speaker, I could be wrong here -- Sillyness is the last refuse of the doomed. P. Opus http://www.spellbooksoftware.com -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GAT d-- s:- a38 US++ P+ L+ E W+++ N++ K++ w++ O- M- V-- PS+ PE++ Y PGP t++ 5 X R+++ tv+ b++++ DI+++ D G+ e+ h--- r+++ y+++(**) ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Mar 24 11:11:41 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:11:41 -0000 Subject: HW: Dark Carnival (on-topic) Message-ID: Just picked up a copy of Dark Carnival's 1991 live album, _The Greatest Show in Detroit_ - Dark Carnival is the band that features (in this incarnation) the Ashetons and Niagara from Destroy All Monsters - anyway, it kicks off with a version of "The Right Stuff"! Not sure who's on the vocals (it's not Niagara :), but it's a good kickass Detroit version anyway. Fun album all round, with the usual quota of old Stooges and DAM numbers. -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Mar 24 11:26:04 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:26:04 -0000 Subject: BOC: Shirley on HF Message-ID: Browsing around, found some notes by JS on his HF lyrics, at http://www.darkecho.com/jsmusic.html -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue Mar 24 11:32:03 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:32:03 -0500 Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid Message-ID: Well, I left work at 9:30 and drove down to my local Circuit City to pick up the elusive "grail of the cult", which they hadn't put on the shelves yet. It looked like they only had a few copies for sale. Everything good I said about the cover art I am hereby taking back :) The music had me grooving (and speeding) on the way back to work though. It's too early for a solid impression, but I've enjoyed the album so far. I'm looking forward to finding out the differences in what our favorite songs are. My early fave is Harvest Moon (although I'm only on Live For Me at the moment). Are we all wearing our BOC t-shirts? Brian From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Tue Mar 24 11:41:40 1998 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:41:40 +0100 Subject: HW: Lemmy's departure again and LOTR (a bit OFF-ish, I'll agree) Message-ID: Hi, Once upon a time I asked about Lemmy's depature from the Hawks but I was stupid enough to do a small Rush reference at that occasion so I never got any answer to my question so here I go again, I understand that some people state that he left on the 1999 party tour, but, what-the-hell, he's on Warrior, he must have been sacked during the Warrior tour, or...? Taking another risk of being ridiculed, there's rumours on a new Lord Of The Rings movie, with Bowie as Elrond and Sean Connory as Gandalf, another rumour was that Disney is doing the movie and wanted Gandalf to be female (what, what, what ???). Do anyone have more info ? Kenneth -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- "- Vet du vem som best?mmer p? dataavdelningen ? - De e la databasen !" -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ The Moor Tour Info http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/themoor.htm This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Mar 24 11:49:00 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:49:00 -0500 Subject: BOC: An Open letter to BOC-L About HF Message-ID: >Dear Memebers of BOC: > >I stand here on my electronic soap box to address a matter most urgent. >WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE? Today is the day when HF is >available to the general public and folks seem to be crying in their >beers. hang on a few, I can't get it 'till my lunch break. 17 minutes now, I'm watching the clock tick down. I don't want to talk about it until then. To date, my only exposure to it has been a live performance of SYIB, the clip they had on the CMC website.... and PUD, if it's on here (is it?). Just hang on, I work inside a vault, and I'm closing the door when I get back from lunch (no easy task... closing the door, that is, not getting back from lunch... normally I never close the door for fear that it might get stuck, but even if it does I can e-mail out, I have a bag of cheesy poofs, a bottle of cough syrup, and I'll have HF... but I digress) then I'll talk about it. +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Mar 24 12:04:35 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:04:35 -0000 Subject: HW: Lemmy's departure again and LOTR (a bit OFF-ish, I'll agree) Message-ID: On Tuesday, March 24, 1998 4:42 PM, Kenneth Magnusson [SMTP:bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM] wrote: > Hi, > > Once upon a time I asked about Lemmy's depature from the Hawks but I was > stupid enough to do a small Rush reference at that occasion so I never > got > any answer to my question Well that was a silly thing to do, wasn't it? :)) so here I go again, I understand that some > people > state that he left on the 1999 party tour, but, what-the-hell, he's on > Warrior, he must have been sacked during the Warrior tour, or...? OK, the HW US tours were in: November 73 March 74 September-October 74 (this was the tour with the Indiana police incident which caused a lot of dates to be rescheduled) May 75 And it was in May 75 that the amphetamine sulphate incident occured. _Warrior_ was released in May 75. > > Taking another risk of being ridiculed, there's rumours on a new Lord Of > The Rings movie, with Bowie as Elrond and Sean Connory as Gandalf, > another > rumour was that Disney is doing the movie and wanted Gandalf to be female > (what, what, what ???). Do anyone have more info ? > No, the news here is all about the Hurley vs Mitra _Tomb Raider_ controversy :) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Mar 24 20:30:26 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:30:26 -0800 Subject: Dissing Zappa Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: > > In article <3.0.5.32.19980323195021.0079eda0 at mail.clara.net>, Chris > Warburton writes > >Now give me something to get my teeth into - anybody wanna diss FZ? > > > >ChrisW > > Why on Earth would anyone want to do that? > -- > Jon Because he is probably the single most overrated musical entity of the rock era. My contempt for his inane musical drivellings is only exceeded by my hatred of his juvenile, sexist misogyny. And don't spin that line about negating the power of misogyny through reinforcing stereotypes. It was bull 30 years ago and it's bull now. Sell your FZ and buy Todd Rundgrens back catalogue. The thinking persons Zappa. Zeitgeist From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Tue Mar 24 13:25:34 1998 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:25:34 -0500 Subject: The new album *does* exist! Message-ID: Well, well, well. I said that I would believe it exists when I actually heard the music coming out of my stereo. Ok, I admit it now, it really exists. ;-) By the way, the reason you couldn't find the hidden BOC symbol on the album cover from the picture on the web page is that it's very small. I hate the album cover, by the way. It's one of my least favorites in my entire album collection, not just in the BOC section. I only had time to listen to about the first 4 or 5 tracks before I had to head off to work (where I don't have a CD player). First impression was mildly favorable. It certainly isn't a 10 pound block of cheese like Club Ninja. (To whoever posted his nightmare about going to pick up the new BOC album, and being handed a vinyl copy of Club Ninja - that was sick, guy, sick!). More later, when I've had a better chance to listen to it. Steve From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Mar 24 13:31:17 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:31:17 -0600 Subject: BOC: Got my HF Message-ID: In the words of Y&T (Musically Incorrect) I've Got My Own. Spilling the beans on the peripherals - Cover Art is worse than the internet image, it is just so wrong for BOC. Symbol is easy to spot though it is very tiny. CD is painted with the cover art, a MAJOR Blunder. The real artwork is underneath the disc. I won't spill the beans but I was surprised and happy. A few photo's of the guys in the studio working on it. Lyrics are included in the liner. Chuck Burgi played drums on every track except live In Thee. John Rodgers does bass and Vox on Still Burnin'. Eric sounds pretty damn good. If he had been saving his voice for the recording sessions this was a good decision. Feels good to hear Bloom sound like Bloom. Note: Off topic my local Best Buy had only three copies @ $14.99. For Kiss fans if you are missing any of their early works on cd you may want to head there. They had a copy of each cd from the debut thru Love Gun (except Alive) on sale for $5.99. I even picked up Kiss and Destroyer while I was at it. L8er Ghost in the Ruins OBCD - Heaven Forbid, Blue Oyster Cult (been waiting years to be able to say that) From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Mar 24 15:20:11 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:20:11 GMT Subject: tour book In-Reply-To: Miikka Wagner's message of Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:12:34 +0200 Message-ID: Miikka Wagner writes: > Hi! > > I wonder that is here anybody who can help. I have strange Space Ritual tour > book. Actually I?m not sure is this tour book at all. It?s one big printed > both side paper which is foldet to A4 size and it?s black and white. Can > anyone confirm is this original tour book or what? yep - sounds about right. It has some wierd rambling dialogue between various occupants of the Hawkship and a few drawings as I recall. I'd need to check my copy to be sure but I think the front bit when folded is a white skull on a black background? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mumford at ONLINE.NO Tue Mar 24 15:21:45 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:21:45 +0100 Subject: Got my HF Message-ID: ---------- > The real artwork is > underneath the disc. I won't spill the beans but I was surprised and > happy. Its not a large, spinning sort of object is it? Aside from the disc? :) Christian From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Mar 24 15:33:42 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:33:42 -0500 Subject: The new album *does* exist! Message-ID: >I hate the album cover, by the way. It's one of my least favorites in >my entire album collection, not just in the BOC section. Ditto. I even prefer the CN spaceship. The inside picture would've been better, though that doesn't say much.... Heck, even a monocolor blank album (ala ST's "Smell the Glove" cover) would've been better. I put the CD-liner back in backwards, to simulate this effect. It's not solid black, with some dark wood paneling and a dangling spider, and the BMG/CMC logos, but I prefer it to the faces... Just realized, with the cd being almost solid black (with white writing), and a dark back, the only place you can have anyone even attempt to autograph it would be on the forehead of the guy... ach, I looked at it again. Something else, the lightbulb (is it half-filled with something) is behind the figures, above the girl. She is drawn lit from behind and the right, though it's a little to the left of her. And the guy (we need some kind of nickname for him, Mr. Hefo?) is lit from the left and above, though the light bulb is behind and to the right of him. Makes it seem very much like a cut and paste job, which I thought it was before noting an artists' signature on i. As for the interior, true to BOC tradition, the lyrics contain errors (or the singing contains errors, take your pick). Now if only there were a song title with parentheses.... I propose "(I'd Like to) See You in Black." Nice photo collage in the middle. >impression was mildly favorable. It certainly isn't a 10 pound block Sometimes these things need to grow on you a bit, I definitely like PUD much more now than when I first heard it. But yeah, I like many of the other numbers at first hearing, X-Ray, Damaged, (okay, so I admit I like soft or spoken intros prior to kickoff) ... I don't like the chorus in CGLoD, seems off-key somewhat. Harvest Moon... seems to be the most unique number on it, but also sounds like it can't make up it's mind what it should be. But that's okay. SYiB and HB are both fine. Real World... I dunno, I'll listen to it a bit more.... doesn't impress me that much right now. Live for me... hmmm... Still Burnin', one of the three non-Shirley songs, has a nice pace and is likable, just seems the least "BOC" of the bunch, and that includes the cover of "in thee". It seems paper-thin, meaning nothing. Try as I might I can't find anything I could even stretch to take another way... maybe if the woman were pyrokinetic so she sets off the smoke alarm.... nah, that's too far. Seems to be just what it seems to be. Still, kinda catchy... I know everyone can't be Meltzer, but still... The acoustic 'In Thee' may seem like a waste to some, but I liked it. They covered an old song and it wasn't one of the big three, I'll give them a break. heh, even here, with a song almost 20 years old the lyrics are written differently than sung... Eric sings: 'Cause the dice roll much too easily ...instead of 'cause the dice roll so indifferently tsk, tsk. Okay, I know this seems a BOC-L stereotype, but nothing on this album reached out and grabbed me, right of the bat impressed me the way either Cult Brothers of Malpractice did. But it's almost surreal in other ways, perhaps brought on by actually having something new BOC to talk to clerks in music stores I often visit pointlessly... (I hit peaches (no, didn't even know about it), Specs (had one, sold it, get another in 3 days), Best Buy (no clue), Waves (no clue), before Circuit City (of all places) had one. Overall, I still like this. Shirley's lyrics do alright by me, they usually have some kind of point to them and have a certain styling to them that is clearly seperated from 90% of the trite crap that's out there. Will it succeed commercially? Probably not on a major level, though SYIB may have some hope on some radio stations. I doubt they'd get a chance even if the album was twice as good, people just got it in their heads that it's ancient history. BOC had to give up the SWU moniker because of bad associations with it, I wonder how this would be received if no one knew who it was... as it is, they sold out in two stores here, if it means anything. Second time through as I write this, SYIB, HM both sounding better this time through. I love PUD, it's climing my short list of stuff I want to hear repeatedly... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Mar 24 15:43:04 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:43:04 -0500 Subject: Got my HF Message-ID: >---------- >> The real artwork is >> underneath the disc. I won't spill the beans but I was surprised and >> happy. > >Its not a large, spinning sort of object is it? Aside from the disc? :) Nope. This "other" artwork actually fits the album title, something which the actual cover doesn't even come close to doing. Which means when I throw away my jewel case, something I always do because I hate the things (okay, I toss them in my recycle bin, get off my case) I need to find some way to cram that sleve into my cd-holder book sleve... Allow me to go beyond my statements in an earlier post, in which I said I'd prefer a solid black album cover. I'd prefer a picture of Albert and Joe. Heck, I'd prefer a picture of Steve Swan. +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Mar 24 15:50:53 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:50:53 -0800 Subject: OFF: Wallis-era UFO Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:47:09 +0100, it was reset who wrote: >Well, what I read in the "Tapestry of Delights" book was that Wallis >"taught" UFO the HM chic, wearing leather etc., ditching the whole hippy >thang (I'll have to say I only care for their early spacerock suff, but ok >;) and going for an out-n-out HM image. Yeah, UFO2/Flying, I really like - anything later falls into the "guilty pleasure" category. It's interesting to hear that Larry was that influential on UFO (although there was already some pretty HM material on their first LP - "Boogie For George" etc.), but he WAS one of the original "leather jacket" rockers (even before E. Bloom!). Obviously, I'm a Larry Wallis fan, but I always thought he was pretty significant as a bridge between the hippie, metal and punk movements (to which he admits - he just wanted to be Jimi Hendrix - who wouldn't?). Of course, you could say the same thing about Lemmy (check out the hippie psych of Sam Gopal's Escalator - you could even extend him back to the "beat" movement with the Rockin' Vicars) or Hawkwind in general ... >I've actually thought about the >whole Wallis/UFO quite abit as (nearly ;) the strangest HW "link" out >there. Ooh ... now there's a tough one, what about ... Andy Anderson (drummed for the Cure, then Hawkwind) Lemmy gigging with the Damned (OK, technically the Doomed) Paul Rudolph playing with Phil Collins on Eno albums Simon House playing with David Bowie and Japan Danny Thompson, senior Ginger Baker Keith Hale (ex-Comus, who HEAVILY influenced Current 93) Twink playing with Steve Howe in Tomorrow ... and who can forget Samantha Fox!? >Yeah Scott, I'm sure you have some tapes ;) Like we needed to ask ;^) -Doug ceres at sirius.com ObCD: Ash Castles On The Ghost Coast From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Tue Mar 24 16:35:49 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Nebosuke) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:35:49 EST Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid Message-ID: Two straight listens so far, just on my PC...too early to assess this album in relation to past BOC but man oh man...all I know is that I have never heard more jaw-droppingly on-the-money guitar work in my life. I've seen Buck play about 38 times since '73 and his playing on this album is just blowing my mind. BD's got a writing credit on all ten of the new tunes and sings half of them. He also produced more than half of the album. I foresee firefights about this in various forums. If it wasn't this good I might even care. Anyone with even the most marginal interest in the band has got to get this album. I don't know just exactly how good this is yet but I'll tell ya, we're talking about making distinctions in some rarefied atmosphere. Not , but -Chris Baker From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Mar 24 16:28:56 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:28:56 -0600 Subject: BOC: Hey John! Message-ID: Swartz, I dunno 'bout you but "I'm damaged and like it." Can you play this one on the four stringer? Is that Buck with the monologue? BTW where the hell is "Millbrook"? Anyone know. This is about the 5th time through on Damaged and I still can't believe this is BUCK SINGING! Ooooo Heaven Forbid I'm gonna lose it if this one is in the setlist when they hit Jaxx in April. L8er Ghost in the Ruins The Greaseman's 4 G's of Sex Get it up. Get it in. Get it off. Go to sleep. From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Tue Mar 24 16:59:36 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Nebosuke) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:59:36 EST Subject: BOC: Got my HF Message-ID: GitR-man wrote > Chuck Burgi played drums on every track except live In Thee. Actually In Thee is Burgi (if the notes are correct), and Rondinelli plays on Live For Me. And Jon Rogers is on Harvest Moon and Power Underneath Despair as well as Still Burnin'. (Power... is the same track as SummerDaze, unless my ears deceive me...? It sounds slower but probably just because of SYIB's placement two tracks before). I don't see Rogers in the photos, oddly. In Thee live at Millbrook...anyone know where this is? -/cb From fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU Tue Mar 24 17:01:53 1998 From: fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU (William Fuller) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:01:53 -0900 Subject: Millbrook In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > where the hell is "Millbrook"? Anyone know. Millbrook was an estate in upstate New York where Timothy Leary and his friends lived in the 1960s. -- William Fuller fswof at uaf.edu ICQ 1530842 http://members.tripod.com/~Zomb From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Mar 24 17:03:40 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:03:40 -0500 Subject: BOC: Millbrook In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: > [...] BTW > where the hell is "Millbrook"? Anyone know. Millbrook is in New York State, I believe. It is associated with Dr. Timothy Leary, Ph.D. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Govt. Mule, _Govt. Mule_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Mar 24 17:12:38 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:12:38 -0800 Subject: OFF: Timothy Leary's Dead (but Buck's not) (was BOC: Got my HF) Message-ID: On March 23rd, Nebosuke wrote: >In Thee live at Millbrook...anyone know where this is? and G.i.t.R asked: >BTW where the hell is "Millbrook"? Anyone know. ... I don't know if this is the correct reference, but Millbrook was the name of the mansion/art colony where Timothy Leary did his east coast "acid test" sessions after getting the boot from Harvard. Eventually, the place was busted by future Watergate conspirator and bad actor G. Gordon Liddy. On-topicality ... ? uh ... Leary later recorded an album with Ash Ra Tempel, many of whose recordings (although not that one) were produced/engineered by Conrad Plank, who also recorded Brian Eno's 'Before And After Science' album that Paul Rudolph played on. So There. -Doug ceres at sirius.com From mumford at ONLINE.NO Tue Mar 24 17:31:04 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:31:04 +0100 Subject: Timothy Leary's Dead (but Buck's not) (was BOC: Got my HF) Message-ID: Doug Pearson writes: > ... I don't know if this is the correct reference, but Millbrook was the > name of the mansion/art colony where Timothy Leary did his east coast "acid > test" sessions after getting the boot from Harvard. Eventually, the place > was busted by future Watergate conspirator and bad actor G. Gordon Liddy. > > On-topicality ... ? uh ... Leary later recorded an album with Ash Ra > Tempel, many of whose recordings (although not that one) were > produced/engineered by Conrad Plank, who also recorded Brian Eno's 'Before > And After Science' album that Paul Rudolph played on. So There. > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com Nah, there's a much more direct link. Not long after the gig in Switzerland with Ash Ra Tempel (producing the 7UP album) Leary got exctradited to the US and locked back up (teach em doctors to mind their heads!). On the 1974 US tour Hawkwind played a "benefit gig" for Leary in exchange for large amounts of grass, and managed to hook up with Leary by phone (Leary told the warden he was calling his mom), when in fact he called Hawkwind on stage and announced on the PA that "Hawkwind are the most evolved band on the planet". Christian From deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET Tue Mar 24 18:50:29 1998 From: deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET (Aaron Crandall) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:50:29 -0800 Subject: HF sold out Message-ID: I tried to find HF during my lunch hour but was unsuccessful, so earlier this afternoon my wife called around to see if she could find a copy. She called Borders and they said all their copies were already gone! Good to know the release hasn't gone totally unnoticed around here... Anyway, she did get me a copy so I'll be heading home soon to finally get my hands on it (lame cover art and all). The reports have been positive so far, and I can't wait to hear it for myself! Aaron From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Mar 24 18:36:59 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:36:59 +0000 Subject: OFF: the death of psychedelics In-Reply-To: <199803232012.VAA15509@online.no> Message-ID: At 21:09 23/03/98 +0100, you wrote: >Warburton writes > > >> Now give me something to get my teeth into - anybody wanna diss FZ? >> >> ChrisW > > >No but I will say this: FZ never was "psych". At best he was anti-psych. >--cut--< >Maybe FZ was anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-psychedelic? Maybe he >wasn't???? > >I don't know, its all so confusing. I will have to put on a FZ record and >investigate further. > >Christian > >PS: nothing is psychedelic I'd say that was prety fair comment, & I'll always support anyone in playing an FZ dis *grinnnz* ChrisW If in doubt, get a life! From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Mar 24 14:46:13 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:46:13 +0000 Subject: OFF: the death of Freddie Mercury In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 16:54 22/03/98 -0800, you wrote: >> >> > P.S.: I thought Freddie - um - preferred the company of men? >> >> Sorta why steven says to "make of that what you will" ? :) > >I believe Freddy once said he'd f**k anything that moved. > >-Pete > Like I said, "versatile".... ChrisW If in doubt, get a life! From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Mar 24 19:21:50 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 00:21:50 +0000 Subject: Dissing Zappa In-Reply-To: <35185E32.2485@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: At 17:30 24/03/98 -0800, you wrote: >Jon Browne wrote: >> >> In article <3.0.5.32.19980323195021.0079eda0 at mail.clara.net>, Chris >> Warburton writes >> >Now give me something to get my teeth into - anybody wanna diss FZ? >> > >> >ChrisW >> >> Why on Earth would anyone want to do that? >> -- >> Jon > >Because he is probably the single most overrated musical entity of the >rock era. My contempt for his inane musical drivellings is only exceeded >by my hatred of his juvenile, sexist misogyny. And don't spin that line >about negating the power of misogyny through reinforcing stereotypes. It >was bull 30 years ago and it's bull now. Sell your FZ and buy Todd >Rundgrens back catalogue. The thinking persons Zappa. > >Zeitgeist Great stuff - fighting talk, but I think somebody missed the point...never mind, I like FZ's music, have my own doubts about his arrogance & occasionally questionable outlook on the world. Todd Rundgren: Undeniably talented, but doesn't really light my fires - nor can I see him fitting into an either/or equation with Zappa. File under "Quite Nice". ChrisW If in doubt, get a life! From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Tue Mar 24 19:32:35 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Nebosuke) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:32:35 EST Subject: HF sold out Message-ID: Yeah, I'm happy to see that places are selling out of it -- even if they didn't have many to begin with, and even though it's a bummer for the folks who can't snag one immediately. I went to both Tower and Borders this morning not long after they opened, I didn't dawdle long but it seemed to me they had five or so in both places. Also picked up the Mobile Fidelity AoF...wheeeeee! (FWIW Border's was marginally cheaper at these extortionate Bay Area prices...$16.99 for HF and $29.99 AoF, one and two bucks respectively off of Tower's prices...(I hear people talking about gas for 79 cents - not in these parts!) Should have gone mail-order but hey, once a decade I can splurge. From eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK Tue Mar 24 19:39:25 1998 From: eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK (eldritch) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 00:39:25 +0000 Subject: HW: Dark Carnival (OFF) Message-ID: Destroy All Monsters are great. I always wondered what the Dark Carnival stuff was like. I saw both albums on green vinyl, but didn't have the cash to get them. I picked up Silver Wedding Anniversary by DAM when I was in Italy. Weird album....not like their old stuff.. I always wondered who was the calvert fan in DAM....probably Ron Asheton.. ;-) Niagra should do some Hawkwind artwork.. Rich. From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Mar 24 20:18:56 1998 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:18:56 PST Subject: BOC: The Day is Upon Us Message-ID: Hi Kids!! Well, like most of us, I snagged myself a copy of Heaven Forbid today. I found it for 13.99 at Circuit City and they had ONE other copy. Expect a full review REAL soon. A few random thoughts.... Overall I like it, it's a nice mix of heavy and heavier mostly, and it loosens the fillings quite nicely. Not unlike live shows lately, it's a bit Buck heavy. My quick listen through faves are leaning towards "Harvest Moon", "Damaged" (which is QUITE different for Buck), and "Real World". The Cover... It's weird I guess, because I hated it before I saw what was "under" the CD. Now I find myself liking it somewhat. I Like the whole yin-yang feel of the "ugly and beautiful" contrast. I could see this one in the vinyl days work nicely. Slide your nail in the edge of that butt ugly cover and out slides a colorful innersleeve of the rather attractive blonde woman. Gee, all the bitching we did about the "ugly" artwork..... I guess "the joke was on us". :^D I also picked up WoTT today for 16.99, thus completing my collection all the way across the boards. I like it enough, even though I have 90% of it elsewhere. The studio version of Born to be Wild... well, that one will have to grow on me. They almost do it too fast live, and in the studio they decided to do it too slow. Weird. One note on the artwork inside WoTT, on page 11 there is a picture of the 5 originals with a laser hitting each one. What is cool is that I remember seeing that same picture in an ad for Some Enchanted Evening in Rolling Stone Magazine years ago. If I remember, each laser was a different color, illuminating each member. I remember cutting it out and glueing it to my bedroom wall. Boy was my Mom pissed... but hey, That's Rock and Roll!!! :^D Later kids.... Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** Torgo at norwich.net DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos Palace: Galaxystation.com PORT-9998 *********************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Mar 24 20:49:22 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:49:22 -0800 Subject: HW: Dark Carnival (OFF) Message-ID: Ron Asheton ... now there's a guy up there with (above!) Larry Wallis on my guitar godz list ... Andy Gilham wrote: >Just picked up a copy of Dark Carnival's 1991 live album, _The Greatest >Show in Detroit_ - Dark Carnival is the band that features (in this >incarnation) the Ashetons and Niagara from Destroy All Monsters - anyway, >it kicks off with a version of "The Right Stuff"! Similar, I assume to the one on the DAM live album that came out on Fan Club? >Not sure who's on the vocals (it's not Niagara :), Ron Asheton seems to be the best guess that anyone's come up with; since he doesn't ordinarily sing, there's no real way of knowing without asking, which I should've done when I saw Niagara at a Robert Williams gallery show in Detroit a couple years back (guess I was too starstruck to approach her ... oh well, so were the other fans I was with). >but it's a good kickass Detroit version anyway. Fun album all round, with >the usual quota of old Stooges and DAM numbers. I'll have to check this one out; I only have the very first Dark Carnival live album, the one with Cheetah Chrome on it doing the Stiv Bators tribute thing ... and, eldritch added: >Destroy All Monsters are great. I always wondered what the Dark >Carnival stuff was like. A lot like Ron Asheton-era Destroy All Monsters! >I saw both albums on green vinyl, but didn't have the cash to get them. >I picked up Silver Wedding Anniversary by DAM when I was in Italy. >Weird album....not like their old stuff.. Well, actually, it IS like their OLD stuff; Ron Asheton didn't join the band until it had been around for 3 or 4 years. There's an incredible 3-CD box set on Thurston Moore's Ecstatic Peace label that compiles a bunch of early unreleased tapes from when they were as much an art/film group as a band (in much the same way that Devo originally were ... at around the same time ... hmmm). HIGHLY recommended. There's also some great video footage available of Niagara getting real bloody in their experimental horror films (as well as lots of other cool/weird stuff). At least I DID get to meet Cary Loren (DAM co-founder with Niagara) that time I was in Detroit, and Matt Smith played for us the very first DAM single (still pre-Asheton, and never subsequently re-issued) that hearkens back to their original art/improv sound and carries the seeds of their later better-known Detroitrock material, with a bit of jazzrock ala MC5 "Starship"/Stooges 'Funhouse' thrown in. Of course, the next day, he beat me to the shield cover of WotEoT that showed up at Car City records! >I always wondered who was the calvert fan in DAM.... >probably RonAsheton.. ;-) >Niagra should do some Hawkwind artwork.. Hawkwind should have gotten Niagara to replace Stacia when she quit!! -Doug ceres at sirius.com ObCD: Destroy All Monsters 'Live' From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Wed Mar 25 01:00:09 1998 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:00:09 -0500 Subject: Heaven Forbid, on reflection Message-ID: Ok, I've given Heaven Forbid another, more serious, listen. Not perhaps enough to say that I've formed my long-term opinion of it, but I've heard all the songs through a couple of times, and some of them more than that. Basically, "Live For Me" is the song that I'm most positive about. This sounds like the old BOC, with Buck's delicate, almost ethereal guitar licks winding through it. The lyrics, which, although a far cry from Pearlman, Meltzer, Roter or Moorcock alchemical concoctions to which we're accustomed, at least aren't numbingly repetitious like some of the rest of the album (read that: "like most of John Shirley's lyrics). My next favorite is "Harvest Moon", which once again, features some very nice guitar playing by Buck, and lyrics which consistently move forward in almost storytelling manner. I'm not as positive about what I perceive as the "generic speed metal" content of much of the rest of the album. But I'll leave off discussing that in depth until I've let the overall feeling of the album sink in a little more. Steve From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Mar 25 04:57:37 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:57:37 -0000 Subject: HW: Dark Carnival (OFF) Message-ID: On Wednesday, March 25, 1998 1:49 AM, Doug Pearson [SMTP:ceres at SIRIUS.COM] wrote: > >it kicks off with a version of "The Right Stuff"! > > Similar, I assume to the one on the DAM live album that came out on Fan > Club? And is also on the "Hawkwind covers all" project - which I'd had for ages and forgotten about! :) > >Not sure who's on the vocals (it's not Niagara :), > > Ron Asheton seems to be the best guess that anyone's come up with; On the Dark Carnival disc, it might be the person mysteriously named "Bootsey X" - the notes talk about his "Las Vegas style delivery" (although it sounds more like the Big Bopper to me!) > I'll have to check this one out; I only have the very first Dark Carnival > live album, the one with Cheetah Chrome on it doing the Stiv Bators > tribute > thing ... I've seen that on mail order lists but not picked it up - I found GSiD in Tower at Piccadilly Circus! It also has a top version of "I Wanna Be Your Dog" (sung by Niagara), but then again I thought the version of "These Boots Are Made For Walking" was misjudged. > > and, eldritch added: > > >Destroy All Monsters are great. I always wondered what the Dark > >Carnival stuff was like. > > A lot like Ron Asheton-era Destroy All Monsters! Kind of a mutant Stooges/Velvets sound - if you think you'll like it then you probably will! :) _Last Great Ride_ is a really good album. > > Hawkwind should have gotten Niagara to replace Stacia when she quit!! Rock history would have been changed forever!!!! -Andy ObCD: Destroy All Monsters - _Bored_ -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 25 07:07:51 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:07:51 GMT Subject: Timothy Leary's Dead (but Buck's not) (was BOC: Got my HF) In-Reply-To: reset's message of Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:31:04 +0100 Message-ID: reset writes: > Doug Pearson writes: > > ... I don't know if this is the correct reference, but Millbrook was the > > name of the mansion/art colony where Timothy Leary did his east coast > "acid > > test" sessions after getting the boot from Harvard. Eventually, the > place > > was busted by future Watergate conspirator and bad actor G. Gordon Liddy. > > > > On-topicality ... ? uh ... Leary later recorded an album with Ash Ra > > Tempel, many of whose recordings (although not that one) were > > produced/engineered by Conrad Plank, who also recorded Brian Eno's > 'Before > > And After Science' album that Paul Rudolph played on. So There. > > > > -Doug > > ceres at sirius.com > > > Nah, there's a much more direct link. Not long after the gig in Switzerland > with Ash Ra Tempel (producing the 7UP album) Leary got exctradited to the > US and locked back up (teach em doctors to mind their heads!). On the 1974 > US tour Hawkwind played a "benefit gig" for Leary in exchange for large > amounts of grass, and managed to hook up with Leary by phone (Leary told > the warden he was calling his mom), when in fact he called Hawkwind on > stage and announced on the PA that "Hawkwind are the most evolved band on > the planet". apparently someone also dreamed up the wierd suggestion that Hawkwind should appear over the jail with a helicopter at night with loads of spotlights, blasting out Space Ritual at full volume over the speakers, pick up Timothy Leary and fly off with him as if he was being abducted by a flying saucer. Nothing came of the idea - for some strange reason. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Mar 25 08:15:56 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:15:56 -0500 Subject: Dissing Zappa Message-ID: Zappa....... had a big nose! rj Chris Warburton wrote: > At 17:30 24/03/98 -0800, you wrote: > >Jon Browne wrote: > >> > >> In article <3.0.5.32.19980323195021.0079eda0 at mail.clara.net>, Chris > >> Warburton writes > >> >Now give me something to get my teeth into - anybody wanna diss FZ? > >> > > >> >ChrisW > >> > >> Why on Earth would anyone want to do that? > >> -- > >> Jon > > > >Because he is probably the single most overrated musical entity of the > >rock era. My contempt for his inane musical drivellings is only exceeded > >by my hatred of his juvenile, sexist misogyny. And don't spin that line > >about negating the power of misogyny through reinforcing stereotypes. It > >was bull 30 years ago and it's bull now. Sell your FZ and buy Todd > >Rundgrens back catalogue. The thinking persons Zappa. > > > >Zeitgeist > Great stuff - fighting talk, but I think somebody missed the point...never > mind, I like FZ's music, have my own doubts about his arrogance & > occasionally questionable outlook on the world. Todd Rundgren: Undeniably > talented, but doesn't really light my fires - nor can I see him fitting > into an either/or equation with Zappa. File under "Quite Nice". > > ChrisW > If in doubt, get a life! From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Mar 25 08:48:20 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:48:20 -0500 Subject: BOC: Hey John! Message-ID: Was gonna wade through everything before posting, but this deserves a response: >Swartz, I dunno 'bout you but "I'm damaged and like it." This is one f**king killer tune!! >Can you play this one on the four stringer? Don't I wish... More comments to come (oh sh*t - what a day I had yesterday!) John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Mar 25 08:58:08 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:58:08 -0500 Subject: BOC: HEAVEN FORBID!!! Message-ID: I am mentally and emotionally out of breath - the past 24 hours have been an incredible whirlwind. I will post more later on some of the day's festivities, but make no mistake: I got the CD. I LOVE the CD. I am one HAPPY MAN! So much more to say - so many thoughts going through my head - so many tunes which need to be heard again and again (have listened to the whole CD at least 4 times so far) - so many more orgasms yet to experience... ;-) John From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Mar 25 09:14:25 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:14:25 -0500 Subject: BOC: HF "Dispair" Message-ID: One day later, I am liking this CD more and more..... however, something shocked me..... the back cover, in the song list..... See You in Black Harvest Moon Power Underneath Dispair X-... DISPAIR??? DISPAIR?????? The Power underneath DISPAIR??? They get it right on the inside...... Power Underneath Despair *sigh*.... Back to the music. +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 25 09:09:01 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:09:01 +0000 Subject: Dissing Zappa In-Reply-To: <35185E32.2485@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: In article <35185E32.2485 at dial.pipex.com>, Stuart Hamilton writes >Jon Browne wrote: >> >> In article <3.0.5.32.19980323195021.0079eda0 at mail.clara.net>, Chris >> Warburton writes >> >Now give me something to get my teeth into - anybody wanna diss FZ? >> > >> >ChrisW >> >> Why on Earth would anyone want to do that? >> -- >> Jon > >Because he is probably the single most overrated musical entity of the >rock era. My contempt for his inane musical drivellings is only exceeded >by my hatred of his juvenile, sexist misogyny. And don't spin that line >about negating the power of misogyny through reinforcing stereotypes. It >was bull 30 years ago and it's bull now. Sell your FZ and buy Todd >Rundgrens back catalogue. The thinking persons Zappa. > >Zeitgeist Bravo! Right, whose next? Capt. Beefheart, the old tosser? Small Faces, the shorties? Luke Vibert with his stupid cutting edege sampledelia/Big Beat/Drum 'n'bass crossover? The Beatles? Why The Clash were shit by BOC-L. Rundgren lost it when he left The Nazz. "Open My Eyes" was the best thing he ever did. Look at the trousers he was wearing during "A Wizard, A True Star" hang on a minute, my favorite FZ is the "Shut Up And Play Your Guitar" which is highly musically adept, and being an instrumental, is hardly misogenistic. Of course, you couldn't defend FZ's spiteful misogyny with some "reinforcing steroetypes" psychobabble. You're dead right there. However, It's worth pointing out that FZ hated *everybody*, with a special reserve for Brits. Women caught it no worse than anyone else. -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Mar 25 06:48:53 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:48:53 +0000 Subject: OFF:LOTR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Kenneth Magnusson writes >Taking another risk of being ridiculed, there's rumours on a new Lord Of >The Rings movie, with Bowie as Elrond and Sean Connory as Gandalf, another >rumour was that Disney is doing the movie and wanted Gandalf to be female >(what, what, what ???). Do anyone have more info ? > >Kenneth I heard it was to be directed by Kubrick, after his AI project. (i.e. at least five/six years away. Dunno about casting, though, where did you hear that? Bowie as Elrond? yuk! -- Jon From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Mar 25 09:45:50 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:45:50 -0800 Subject: BOC: Loving my HF in some strange ways Message-ID: Songs - SYIB, rocks and was an excellent choice as a single. That odd beat is so kewl. This would make a great cover for groups like the Galactic Cowboys of Sevendust. BOC is showing the new crowd how to do this stuff. HM, PUD, Live For Me et al, most of these fit into the category of classic BOC song signatures and I like them all well enough however... ...all the songs that float my boat are the ones that don't sound much like BOC. Damaged is great and Real World has it going on. Man I freakin' love these two tunes the most (thus far). Buck - Once, I sent the late Rudy some BOC for a sampling and while he liked it he could not fathom the fascination with Buck's guitar playing. He felt Buck was too restrained. I always thought Buck played with passion and beauty and shredded only when he wanted too. Well maybe RR and I crossed wires on this but on HF Buck seems to be having a lot of fun with the guitar, like what the hell let it out, this is so much fun. Damaged and SYIB really have this feel to it. Danny - Oh Danny boy your playing on this album is just sooooo phat. Damn I'm glad Danny has stayed with BOC, he really does some nice work. Great sound to his bass. Cover Art - Well the secret is probably out but if your still looking for the symbol its in the good eye of the ugly guy. I hear what Torgo is saying about the outer and inner art work (Flaming Telepaths) but the cover remains the only real fault I can find with this album. Its just sucks and does no justice to this fine band. Looking through the CMC page why couldn't they give this one the look and feel they proivided Overkill? This ugly shot falls more in the Judas Priest, Saxxon motif. OK CMC lets reissue with an alternate cover, use the inside with some extra's; put the figure of a bodacious babe in the center with two large cats eyes on either side and call it SYIB, anything but this ugly guy please! In Thee - I think this was a good add as the concert version is really good. This sounds crystal clear which makes me wonder if this thing didn't get heavy re-mixing in the studio somehwere. I mean some of the places BOC has played, the accoustics just aren't that great. Oh well I tap my foot and sing along when I hear it. Millwood - I'm clueless on the TL stuff. This has to be a club somehwere or a big joke by the band. Not important either way. Anybody got an accurate lead on the total time? My player at work says 44:57. Someone else told me there's says 45:05. Either case I think its kewl that they put a vinyl album on cd and resisted the tempation to stretch the songs or add fillers to 60-70 mins. Ghost in the Ruins Who remains Damaged and liking it. From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Mar 25 09:51:36 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:51:36 +0000 Subject: BOC: HEAVEN FORBID!!! In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:58:08 EST." <199803251358.IAA04050@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: John Swartz proclaims - > I got the CD. > > I LOVE the CD. > > I am one HAPPY MAN! But John, we all *knew* you were going to say this anyway ! :-) cheers, Tim ObLyrics: TWR, _Fish Song_ From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Mar 25 10:57:18 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:57:18 -0500 Subject: HF cover artist Message-ID: Rob Prior. Anyone thrilled by his work here might want to check out his web page: http://members.aol.com/airbrush8/prior.htm He sells a 12 volume set of VHS tapes teaching you to paint like he does. Apparently he has worked doing science fiction and fantasy art before, which is probably where Eric encountered him.... his gallery apparently has stuff like Judge Dred (though the galleries' image files are on a server currently down...) There is also a Rob Prior who did some work for the Traveller SF Role-playing game, but I don't know if it's the same person. If he is, he keeps gaming and artwork related web pages on different servers. I also found this item: >Posted by Rob Prior on January 03, 1998 at 17:16:39: > >A photorealistic book coming out in april staring the likeness of Mark >Hamill, most of the >Babylon 5 cast,Todd Mcfarlane, Julie Strain, Kevin Eastman and many more . >Published by >DavDez arts and written and painted by Rob Prior. +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Wed Mar 25 11:23:50 1998 From: blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:23:50 -0700 Subject: BOC: HF my perspective... Message-ID: Well I spent most of my lunch hour yesterday looking for this release. I finally drove a ways away from my office to an independent store that I was confident would have it. They did. They made me wait about 10 minutes while they entered it into their database. They apologized for the delay but I told them "I've waited 10 years for this album so 10 more minutes is no big deal". They had a good price on it $12.99. I have to be honest, after CN and the SYIB realaudio, I didn't have high hopes for this album. Thank God I was proved wrong :) I haven't been lucky enough to see BOC much in the last few years so many of these song are very new to me. I think I'd heard SB and SYIB but that's all. For me this album reminds me of a cross between RBN and CE. It just has that kind of feel for me. I don't want to give a long winded review but I do want to touch on the songs a bit. The songs at the bottom of the list: SYIB - I HATE the lyrics. The song is ok but I'm not a big fan of this style. SB - Thumbs down. Not way down, the song seems to have potential but goes nowhere. The songs in the middle of my list: HB - It just doesn't do anything for me. I do like the guitar, I don't like the lyrics. IT - I love In Thee, they should have found a better live version. I don't hate it I just think it could have been better. The songs at the top of the list: HM - I like this song a lot, good feel. PUD - I like it and it grows on me with every listen XRE - I didn't think too much of this at first but it is growing on me and is going to be a good one but it's a bit "lite". Damaged - I LOVE THIS SONG. Very different, but different can be good. In this case I think it is. Great groove! CGLOD - Like this one. Very much a RBN type feel.. Has this one been hanging around since then? RW - Another very different song for BOC. I like this on many different levels. It "flows" well. This may turn out to be my favorite song on the album. Time will tell. LFM - My current favorite on the album. For me this has everything I need from BOC :) RW is going to have a lot of work beating this one out as my favorite. I think the biggest disappointment for me is that while I find most of this disk VERY enjoyable I'm not sure that there is a standout classic on the album, maybe this will change for me after time. And of course 3OC isn't BOC sadly, in my opinion, the loss of Joe and Albert has been critical. I know this is obvious and I really don't mean to slam any of 3OC, it's just hard to let go of the dream that fantastic creations BOC was responsible may never be expanded upon. However, if 3OC can continue on this level I will be MORE than happy to buy everything they put out. Congratulations to BOC on this album, it could have been a smoking turd, in my opinion it's a great success. Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Mar 25 11:29:37 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:29:37 -0500 Subject: BOC: Richard Meltzer's Brother? Message-ID: Going over one of Meltzer's ramblings in his 'Addicted to Noise' column he mentions that it is his brother's facetous comment that was responsible for BOC using the umlaut. I'd heard prior stories crediting Meltzer, Pearlman, and Lanier, but not this... comments, anyone? and anyone know his brother's name? +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From m.r.varley at UCLAN.AC.UK Wed Mar 25 16:56:44 1998 From: m.r.varley at UCLAN.AC.UK (m.r.varley) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:56:44 GMT+0 Subject: HF in the UK?? Message-ID: To any of the UK / Euro list members.... Have any of you researched US mail order outlets to get Heaven Forbid (& any other CDs for that matter) sent to the UK? If so which outlet(s) would you recommend? Which are most reliable, best prices etc.? Any info would help. From the reviews of HF so far it seems well worth getting (not that we wouldn't all get it anyway!) Thanks Martin From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Wed Mar 25 12:18:14 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:18:14 -0500 Subject: BOC: Make your own BOC classic Message-ID: I'm thinking about making a tape of my favorite songs from HF and adding some of the latest Brain Surgeons and X-Bros. songs to make an approximation of what a new album with the original line-up might have been like. Obviously if Buck played on a song like Gun or Al played drums on Harvest Moon, they would have a different sound. But it think the outcome of a project like this would be interesting. Any ideas about which recent Surgeons and X-Bros. tunes would work best with the HF material? I'd like to take 7 from HF and add maybe 4 Surgeons and 2 X-Bros. tunes. Brian obSONG> Damaged From m.r.varley at UCLAN.AC.UK Wed Mar 25 17:20:56 1998 From: m.r.varley at UCLAN.AC.UK (m.r.varley) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 17:20:56 GMT+0 Subject: HF in UK Message-ID: Hello list members... Sorry if you get this twice but the 1st time I sent it, it was rejected for some reason!? To any of the UK / Euro list members.... Have any of you researched US mail order outlets to get Heaven Forbid (& any other CDs for that matter) sent to the UK? If so which outlet(s) would you recommend? Which are most reliable, best prices etc.? Any info would help. From the reviews of HF so far it seems well worth getting (not that we wouldn't all get it anyway!) Thanks Martin From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Mar 25 12:43:28 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:43:28 -0500 Subject: BOC: My BOC Holiday Message-ID: This will be a somewhat long-winded, overly-detailed account of how I celebrated March 24th as a holiday (I took the day off, and since my company allows 2 "floating holidays" a year, I decided to declare today a holiday). Having previously scoped out my local record stores (in Burlington, MA - 10 miles north of Boston), I knew that I'd be able to secure my copy of HEAVEN FORBID at approximately 10 a.m. Newbury Comics, which is very good about having new releases on the racks on time (and the most reasonable in terms of price), was my destination. Wearing my BOC "Godzilla" t-shirt and my Kronos necklace dangling from the rear-view mirror, I drove off this morning with the first CD of Workshop of the Telescopes playing in my car. After hearing "Cities on Flame", "Transmaniacon M.C.", and "Before the Kiss (A Redcap)", I arrived just before the doors opened, hoping to purchase the first copy of HF in the Greater Boston area (anybody beat me?). My sales receipt indicates "9:50", but it was really about 10:00. In the store, I only saw 2 copies of HF, so I mentioned to the salesperson that they should get more copies. Whether to humor me or not, I don't know, but he said, "Well, if you're buying one already, then we'll probably need to get more." Newbury's price on the CD was $12.88. By 10:02, I had the CD spinning in the player in the car (those poor Toyota speakers will never be the same) - I sat in the parking lot and listened to the entire CD (my review will follow in a separate posting - suffice to say, this CD kicks ass!) Now, being in the proper frame of mind, I decided to check out other local CD stores and ensure that HF was readily accessible elsewhere (and, in the meantime, I got to spin the CD another 1 and a half times before returning home). First the local (again, Burlington MA) Tower Records. Based on some previous research, I fully expected to NOT find HF in the store. Well, I did happen to find it - about a dozen copies as a matter of fact (all priced at $17.99!! - which seems to be what most new CDs at Tower are going for) - however, they were NOT in the main racks, but underneath them, where they typically keep the extra CDs. "Well, this is incredibly LAME" I thought, "Who's going to see them down THERE?" So, after putting a few behind the "Blue Oyster Cult" divider, I spied the space above the racks where they often put popular, new, or sale discs. Figuring that no-one really wants to buy Mary Blige CDs, I put a bunch up on top where the much-debated cover could be prominently seen. Then, I snuck the remaining 4 or 5 CS onto Tower's rack of new releases near the front of the store. "MUCH better" I thought. I then drove to Cambrige (just north of Boston) and checked out HF availability and visibility at Newbury Comics, Tower Records, and HMV there. As in Burlington, I made sure copies of HF were displayed prominently (who's really worried about buying a copy of "The Best of the Blues Brothers" in 1998 anyway?). Again, Tower had several copies, Newbury Comics had only 1 (!!), and HMV (selling them for $16.99) had 3 or 4. A song by song quick reaction will soon follow... At long last the wait has ended. Thanks BOC, for (finally!!) releasing this music! Given the climate of today's music, who knows for sure if it will really be a mega-hit or not, but certainly most BOC fans will be incredibly pleased to have this CD in their collection. So, when's the NEXT one coming out? ;-) John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Mar 25 12:44:10 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:44:10 -0500 Subject: BOC: In Forbidden Heaven Message-ID: Here's a (hopefully fairly quick) song-by-song reaction to the tunes on HEAVEN FORBID, as reviewed by this fanatical, overly- biased-yet-hopefully-somewhat-reasonable BOC fan: See You In Black -- I've been listening nearly every day for the past 3 weeks to a taping I made of this song off the radio, and I still can't get enough of it. This song just kicks ass all over the place. Metallica has cited BOC as a major influence, and it's nice to see the masters showing the students how it's done again. Harvest Moon -- Another song I've heard several times before, this version is about as slick as it gets. Should be a BOC classic, and perhaps the next single (well, like Spinal Tap's classic *Smell the Glove*, "Every song on it is a hit!") Power Underneath Despair -- Sounds like the same version as the Summerdaze recording. No matter, it still kicks. This is perhaps Eric's best vocal performance on the record. And yeah, as we all know by now, "Despair" was mispelled "Dispair" on the back cover. X-Ray Eyes -- Very catchy! I caught myself singing this one a few times today. Hammer Back -- A song I'd never heard before. Wow! I like this one a lot! This would definitely be a welcome addition to the live shows. Damaged -- Funky!! The other tune I hadn't heard before, and like most people, I think this might be the best track on the disc. Several have said it sounds like "classic" BOC, but I don't hear that at all - I hear "90s" all over it - this might really connect with radio today! LOVE the bass parts (wish I could play them) - a couple of the riffs sound a bit familiar - a little like either something off Extreme's "Pornograffiti" album, or Mr. Big's first album (the song, "Rock and Roll Over" has a few riffs that seem very close to this). Cold Grey Light Of Dawn -- I never liked this song when I had heard live recordings of it. But THIS version sounds EXCELLENT! Very heavy (esp. the bass), and great vocals. My perception of this song has totally changed. Real World -- Buck doing the "Urban Cowboy" bit. Not as heavy as most of the rest of the CD, but still a cool song -- caught myself singing right along the 2nd time I played it. Live For Me -- A very "nice" tune, both lyrically and musically. It sounds a bit mid-80s-ish to me, but that is not at all a bad thing, as far as I'm concerned. Club Ninja might have been a much more successful album had this track been on it - of course, it probably wasn't written that far back. Still Burnin' -- LOVED this tune from the first time I heard it 4 years ago. Despite it's relative simplicity, it's just so catchy that you can't help but like it. The double bass-drumming are a bit more up front in the mix than I think they should, but this is definitely a kick-ass tune. I love Buck's guitar tone on this one. In Thee -- Well, if they were going to put a live tune in, which I take to be a little extra something for us fans, then I'm glad it was something other than "the big 3" (since we've all got plenty of recordings of those). This is definitely the best live version of this song that I've heard BOC do. A sharp contrast from the way HF starts, it kinda leaves me with a warm fuzzy feeling as the CD comes to an end. But with a quick push of a button, I can have "See You In Black" blowing my hair back once again... Hard to say where I'd rank this against the rest of the BOC catalog - then again, I haven't exactly ranked all the other BOC albums, so the exercise would be a futile one. This one is also quite a bit different from the rest. Certainly, for the next few months, maybe years, I will play HF more than any other BOC CD. My only hope is that it will catch on with the CD-buying public. BOC has paid its dues many times over, and I hope that they get some much-deserved commercial success with this one. If not, at least this BOC fan is at last satisfied. Well, just one more request (for now) -- I really would like to see more songs off this CD worked into BOC's live shows! John PS: Check out the BOC Fanclub Website, listed in the CD -- http://www.bocfanclub.com Done by Melne, with lots of input from Bolle's museum, it is now perhaps THE premier BOC site. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Mar 25 12:47:04 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:47:04 -0500 Subject: Dissing Zappa In-Reply-To: <35185E32.2485@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, Stuart Hamilton froths: > Jon Browne wrote: > > > > In article <3.0.5.32.19980323195021.0079eda0 at mail.clara.net>, Chris > > Warburton writes > > >Now give me something to get my teeth into - anybody wanna diss FZ? > > > > > >ChrisW > > > > Why on Earth would anyone want to do that? > > -- > > Jon > > Because he is probably the single most overrated musical entity of the > rock era. My contempt for his inane musical drivellings is only exceeded > by my hatred of his juvenile, sexist misogyny. And don't spin that line > about negating the power of misogyny through reinforcing stereotypes. It > was bull 30 years ago and it's bull now. Sell your FZ and buy Todd > Rundgrens back catalogue. The thinking persons Zappa. You'll hurt your throat; stop it. Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Mothers of Invention, _Burnt Weeny Sandwich_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Mar 25 12:38:46 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 17:38:46 +0000 Subject: HF in UK In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 25 Mar 1998 17:20:56 GMT." <17FC2410953@mail-gw.uclan.ac.uk> Message-ID: > Have any of you researched US mail order outlets to get Heaven Forbid > (& any other CDs for that matter) sent to the UK? > > If so which outlet(s) would you recommend? Which are most reliable, > best prices etc.? > > Any info would help. From the reviews of HF so far it seems well worth > getting (not that we wouldn't all get it anyway!) I just checked a UK CD site (Pastel Blue) but though they carry a lot of BOC, theres no HF. I think you'll find Andy G here has used www.cdnow.com OK, though a friend of mine used them, only to find the package labelled in such a way that he had to stump up a hefty import fee as well. YMMV. Me, I gave up buying CDs for Lent, so I'll wait until I find it in the stores. Tim From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Mar 25 21:34:26 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 18:34:26 -0800 Subject: Dissing Zappa Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: > > In article <35185E32.2485 at dial.pipex.com>, Stuart Hamilton > writes > >Jon Browne wrote: > >> > >> In article <3.0.5.32.19980323195021.0079eda0 at mail.clara.net>, Chris > >> Warburton writes > >> >Now give me something to get my teeth into - anybody wanna diss FZ? > >> > > > Right, whose next? Capt. Beefheart, the old tosser? Small Faces, the > shorties? Luke Vibert with his stupid cutting edege sampledelia/Big > Beat/Drum 'n'bass crossover? The Beatles? > > Why The Clash were shit by BOC-L. > > Rundgren lost it when he left The Nazz. "Open My Eyes" was the best > thing he ever did. Look at the trousers he was wearing during "A Wizard, > A True Star" > > hang on a minute, my favorite FZ is the "Shut Up And Play Your Guitar" > which is highly musically adept, and being an instrumental, is hardly > misogenistic. Of course, you couldn't defend FZ's spiteful misogyny with > some "reinforcing steroetypes" psychobabble. You're dead right there. > However, It's worth pointing out that FZ hated *everybody*, with a > special reserve for Brits. Women caught it no worse than anyone else. > > -- > Jon Beefheart? Better than FZ. A two year bout of creativity, some absolute garbage but at least he did the decent thing and sodded off to the desert to paint. The Small Faces - talentless, media creations. The Clash - ditto but special contempt reserved for the media followers who actually believed the hype. Punk - On Broadway, I don't think so. The Ruts ruled the punk roost round our way. I could write several thousand words on Todd Rundgren, and accept that his creative well died early, but take 71 through 74, count the number of inspirational sides cut and then burn Zappa, burn (although thats probably already happened). The Beatles - don't even think about starting me on them! Zeit From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Wed Mar 25 14:50:33 1998 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:50:33 -0500 Subject: BOC: My BOC Holiday In-Reply-To: <199803251743.MAA21206@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Mar 25, 98 12:43:28 pm Message-ID: John A Swartz writes: > [...] > First the local (again, Burlington MA) Tower Records. Based on some > previous research, I fully expected to NOT find HF in the store. Well, > I did happen to find it - about a dozen copies as a matter of fact (all > priced at $17.99!! - which seems to be what most new CDs at Tower > are going for) - however, they were NOT in the main racks, but > underneath them, where they typically keep the extra CDs. "Well, > this is incredibly LAME" I thought, "Who's going to see them down > THERE?" So, after putting a few behind the "Blue Oyster Cult" divider, > I spied the space above the racks where they often put popular, new, > or sale discs. Figuring that no-one really wants to buy Mary Blige CDs, > I put a bunch up on top where the much-debated cover could be > prominently seen. Then, I snuck the remaining 4 or 5 CS onto Tower's > rack of new releases near the front of the store. "MUCH better" I thought. John, you kill me. You forgot to leave a trail of breadcrumbs from the front door to the "B" section, though. ;-) Steve From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed Mar 25 15:18:26 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:18:26 +0100 Subject: Dissing Zappa Message-ID: Zeitgeist declareth henceforth: > The Small Faces - talentless, media creations. You could never be more wrong ! > The Beatles - don't even think about starting me on them! I don't like anything of theirs pre-Rubber Soul really. Interesting example of a sort of roundabout career IMO, the good stuff came later. Punk: I seem to groove hardest on the stoneage stuff: Stooges, MC5, Hawkwind/Motorhead/Pink Fairies, Dictators, Velvet UG/Lou Reed... and so on (but I wasn't there so I have no uncolored view of history!). This of course is ignoring the 1976 -> UK punk thang. The Stranglers and The Damned are my fave from this era anyway, well the 80s too. Never liked Clash. Zappa: never was a big fan. Have a few discs. They are interesting enough with good moments. Oh well. Beefheart was/is IMO something *completely* different and I don't get people always bringing them both up in the same sentence (why I originally did it ;) aside from that they were pals/bitter rivals, whatever. Zappa c/would never have said "licked a stamp / I think the postman's groovy" anyway. I too find Zappa annoyingly overrated but I accept that I'm not "into" his 18976239654 albums just like everybody isn't into all 127865237269 HW albums ;) Beefheart on the other hand I like alot with just a couple of albums in my posession. I always thought of Zappa as proto-Jello Biafra trapped in some avant-garde cacophony nightmare, eventually drowning in his own recordings (maybe his death rattle will show up as a bonus track on some bootleg or something, seeing as the man must have recorded anything he did in the name of art). Rundgren: have heard much about the man, know of him as a producer, fear that picking up a Utopia album will scare me away forever. Any Rundgren recommendations people? oh well, my rant. Christian From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 25 15:39:27 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:39:27 GMT Subject: HW: Lemmy's departure again and LOTR (a bit OFF-ish, I'll agree) In-Reply-To: Kenneth Magnusson's message of Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:41:40 +0100 Message-ID: Kenneth Magnusson writes: > Hi, > > Once upon a time I asked about Lemmy's depature from the Hawks but I was > stupid enough to do a small Rush reference at that occasion so I never got > any answer to my question so here I go again, I understand that some people > state that he left on the 1999 party tour, but, what-the-hell, he's on > Warrior, he must have been sacked during the Warrior tour, or...? I was never sure how much you knew (or didn't know) about this and was sorta busy at the time so hoped that someone else would answer it. However to reiterate - midway through the US tour (which Hawkwind embarked in May 75 just after they finished recording the Warrior album) customs officials on the American/Canadian border found Lemmy in possession of amphetemine. However it was in sulphate form (chrystals) and the authorities thought it was cocaine so he was arrested. The band were eventually able bail him out but it was expensive and, also, according to the accepted story as available in the various official Hawkwind history books he'd been giving the band some hassles on stage during concerts and so it was decided to ummmmm downsize the group..... They sacked him in effect and called up Paul Rudolph (ex Pink Fairies) instead. The Warrior album was released part way through the tour and reached no. 13 in the British charts. The rest became legend! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Mar 25 15:41:00 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:41:00 -0600 Subject: OFF: Ritchie Blackmore Question Message-ID: Anybody know anything about RB's new solo? Love it or shove it? I know I like RB's cover art better than HF's, Yowza on the back! Thanks Ghost in the Ruins OB Stuck in the cd and portable tape player - Heaven Forbid, BOC OBmouse aiming device Quake II Demo (good fragging to be had by all) From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Mar 25 15:50:52 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:50:52 -0000 Subject: HF in the UK?? Message-ID: On Wednesday, March 25, 1998 4:57 PM, m.r.varley [SMTP:m.r.varley at UCLAN.AC.UK] wrote: > To any of the UK / Euro list members.... > > Have any of you researched US mail order outlets to get Heaven Forbid > (& any other CDs for that matter) sent to the UK? > > If so which outlet(s) would you recommend? Which are most reliable, > best prices etc.? > I advance-ordered one from CDNow (http://cdnow.com), they say it was dispatched yesterday, total price including postage $18.02. I've used them a few times and had no problems. CDZone (http://www.cdzone.co.uk) are only listing a Canadian import at about ?14, available from 10 April. So CD Now is cheaper and quicker (unless you're unlucky and HM Customs spot-check it). I was passing by Tower again today so I had a nose to see if they had any import copies on the off-chance, obviously they didn't, but I nearly picked up Frank Zappa's _Have I Offended Someone?_ :) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Mar 25 15:53:30 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:53:30 GMT Subject: HW: Hawkwind and TOGWT Message-ID: To respond to someone's comments on The Old Grey Whistle Test - it's a wierd thing but I'm sure I saw Hawkwind (maybe not live - maybe it was just a film of the band playing live) on this show. I used to watch the programme with awe and reverence and remember being delighted one night when I was promised Hawkwind. However I'm sure I can also remember sitting through the entire show and only being given a short snippet of something at the very end. It must have been Silver Machine but it must also have been after its original release - so I can only assume that it was recognising one of the re-release dates. Admittedly I could well be inventing the whole thing - however I'm sure it's for real - I think! jill obQuizForTheAncients> who can remember the meaning behind the title "The Old Grey Whistle Test"? A pint for the winner..... next time Hawkwind tour in Edinburgh 8-) ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed Mar 25 15:53:04 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:53:04 +0100 Subject: HW: Lemmy's departure again and LOTR (a bit OFF-ish,I'll agree) Message-ID: Jill writes: > customs officials on the American/Canadian border found Lemmy in > possession of amphetemine. However it was in sulphate form (chrystals) > and the authorities thought it was cocaine so he was arrested. The irony of this part is always a laff... The > band were eventually able bail him out but it was expensive and, also, > according to the accepted story as available in the various official > Hawkwind history books he'd been giving the band some hassles on stage > during concerts and so it was decided to ummmmm downsize the group..... Brock (in particular) did not like Lemmy being perceived as frontman, or at least hogging the spotlight in NME etc. as their charismatic fresh faced bassplayer. And Turner thought he was a terrible bassplayer! Christian > They sacked him in effect and called up Paul Rudolph (ex Pink Fairies) > instead. The Warrior album was released part way through the tour and > reached no. 13 in the British charts. The rest became legend! > > jill > > ========================================================================== > J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lansford at VNET.NET Wed Mar 25 15:58:34 1998 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:58:34 GMT Subject: BOC: My BOC Holiday In-Reply-To: <199803251950.OAA25536@st-canard.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, Stephen Swann wrote: >John A Swartz writes: >> > [...] >> First the local (again, Burlington MA) Tower Records. Based on some >> previous research, I fully expected to NOT find HF in the store. Well, >> I did happen to find it - about a dozen copies as a matter of fact (all >> priced at $17.99!! - which seems to be what most new CDs at Tower >> are going for) - however, they were NOT in the main racks, but >> underneath them, where they typically keep the extra CDs. "Well, >> this is incredibly LAME" I thought, "Who's going to see them down >> THERE?" So, after putting a few behind the "Blue Oyster Cult" divider, >> I spied the space above the racks where they often put popular, new, >> or sale discs. Figuring that no-one really wants to buy Mary Blige CDs, >> I put a bunch up on top where the much-debated cover could be >> prominently seen. Then, I snuck the remaining 4 or 5 CS onto Tower's >> rack of new releases near the front of the store. "MUCH better" I thought. > >John, you kill me. You forgot to leave a trail of breadcrumbs from >the front door to the "B" section, though. ;-) He's following in some exalted footsteps. First people I knew of doing something similar were Susan Shwartz and Judith Tarr, rearranging the books so their friends' novels were full face instead of spine out at the bookstores. My first reaction to HF was "disjointed," but it may just be that the drugs have left me disjointed. Jean Lansford lansford at vnet.net http://users.vnet.net/lansford/ From name_removed at invalid Wed Mar 25 16:01:45 1998 From: name_removed at invalid (Name Removed) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:01:45 -0700 Subject: OFF: Ritchie Blackmore Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Allright - I'm off lurk mode! Adrian, are you referring to RB's "Shadow of the Moon"? If so, what this is is an acoustical album done up in 1500's rennaisance style. RB's fiancee does the singing. I absolutely love it! The more I listen to it, the more I like it. It's a real gem and a nice change of pace when you're in the mood for something different. I've also got the video for this which I really enjoy. Ian Anderson from Jethro Tull guests on the flute for one track. I've had this cd since this past fall as an import. Now it's been released in America with a bonus track - so I HAD to go out and buy another copy. That's an unusual turn of events with the bonus track since usually the imports have those. Two thumbs up! Name Removed by request From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Mar 25 16:03:57 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:03:57 -0000 Subject: HW: Lemmy's departure again and LOTR (a bit OFF-ish,I'll agree) Message-ID: On Wednesday, March 25, 1998 8:53 PM, reset [SMTP:mumford at ONLINE.NO] wrote: > Brock (in particular) did not like Lemmy being perceived as frontman, or > at > least hogging the spotlight in NME etc. as their charismatic fresh faced > bassplayer. And Turner thought he was a terrible bassplayer! And Dave didn't like the way crowds would chant, not "Hawkwind, Hawkwind", nor "Brock, Brock", but "LEMMY LEMMY LEMMY!!!!" -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Mar 25 16:05:58 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:05:58 -0000 Subject: HW: Hawkwind and TOGWT Message-ID: On Wednesday, March 25, 1998 8:54 PM, J Strobridge [SMTP:eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK] wrote: > > obQuizForTheAncients> who can remember the meaning behind the title > "The Old Grey Whistle Test"? A pint for the winner..... next time > Hawkwind tour in Edinburgh 8-) > Oh, everybody knows that! :) (If the old grey guys whistled a tune after they heard it, then it passed the test. Or something like that.) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Mar 25 16:15:42 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:15:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: Ritchie Blackmore Question Message-ID: >Anybody know anything about RB's new solo? Love it or shove it? I know >I like RB's cover art better than HF's, Yowza on the back! You mean Blackmore's Night? I like it, a lot. But I like that kind of stuff. It fills a different niche for me than say BOC or the stuff RB used to do. Don't get it expecting DP or Rainbow. It's basically a rather good renaissance fair type of album. I have been known to hang out in ren faires quite a bit (I generally consider them overpriced and stick to SCA/Amtgard or other reenactment club type events) and in these settings I've tossed it on quite a bit, and most people there wouldn't know it was RB unless you tell them. And yeah, I like the cover artwork on it a lot, it's what first caught my eye as I was walking out of a music store... OBCD: Interstate '76 cdrom game's music tracks +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From moonglum at ECLIPSE.NET Wed Mar 25 17:00:58 1998 From: moonglum at ECLIPSE.NET (Bill Knispel) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 17:00:58 -0500 Subject: BOC: a new album? Heaven Forbid! Message-ID: Finally...after ten years of waiting...a new BOC album. I've only listened to it half a dozen times or so, and my opinions can be based only on that. However, I can say the following... ...the cover art isn't great, but I couldn't see the tray liner art as the cover either... ...it isn't bad...but it isn't IMAGINOS either... ...CYIB is a kick ass song (but we all knew that already)... ...the rest of the album flows nicely from there... Say what you want about John Shirley's lyrics (I'll agree that they're repetitive), but the songs are cool. Eric Bloom's voice sounds vintage, Buck's guitar steams as usual. My complaints would be the lack of keyboards and less dramatic time/key changes than I would like But these are small arguements. It's a new album, and a new era. BOC has successfully reinvented themselves. Now, let's hope the next album isn't another decade away! Bill 'my heart is black and my lips are cold' From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed Mar 25 17:06:13 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 23:06:13 +0100 Subject: BOC: a new album? Heaven Forbid! Message-ID: So when's the next BOC album coming out? Christian From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Mar 26 01:15:57 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:15:57 -0800 Subject: Dissing Zappa - Todd - he the man Message-ID: Christian wrote: > > Rundgren: have heard much about the man, know of him as a producer, fear > that picking up a Utopia album will scare me away forever. Any Rundgren > recommendations people? > > oh well, my rant. Utopia albums can be strange places. Best wait till you've got the Todd thing investigated. Try "Todd", "Something/Anything", "Initiation" - a personal fave and if you want to check out Utopia try "Oops! Wrong Planet" or "Adventures In Utopia" > From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Mar 26 01:22:32 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:22:32 -0800 Subject: OFF: Ritchie Blackmore Question Message-ID: BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: > > Anybody know anything about RB's new solo? Love it or shove it? I know > I like RB's cover art better than HF's, Yowza on the back! > > Thanks > Ghost in the Ruins > Excellent album, I believe it could be tagged "madrigal metal". Not to sure about his paramour, Candice Night on vox, but it is a worthy addition to the Blackmore canon. Check out his official website, where you can buy videos etc. http://www.ritchieblackmore.com/ Zeit From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed Mar 25 17:18:46 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 23:18:46 +0100 Subject: BOC: a new album? Heaven Forbid! Message-ID: Stupid me - I got all the BOC-L posts out of order and acted too soon (not that I was being funny/original anyway) - :-) > So when's the next BOC album coming out? > > Christian From talger at PIPELINE.COM Wed Mar 25 17:24:26 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 17:24:26 -0500 Subject: BOC: Millbrook In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Millwood - I'm clueless on the TL stuff. This has to be a club >somehwere or a big joke by the band. Not important either way. > I believe Millbrook is actually the studio that the bulk of the album was recorded at in (I think) Connecticut. wondering where In Thee was recorded....... Ted From talger at PIPELINE.COM Wed Mar 25 17:33:54 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 17:33:54 -0500 Subject: BOC: Millbrook In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > >wondering where In Thee was recorded....... > oops...... so I had a brain fart.... wonder who was there? sounds like some people in the background Ted From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed Mar 25 18:08:46 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:08:46 +0100 Subject: uh.. Message-ID: Obsessed listserv rugrats carrying BOCFAQs 'n Hawkfucks headin out smelling like spouted bile and gout in yell'n shoutin hell in yellow 'bout snouted roundabout ways preachin' devout Silver Machines and Transmaniacon MCs rockin out hard and around some crazed demented sound dangling out the rotted hounds shellin out their pounds and dollars with crazy Kronos danglin Hawkhead grooves sellin some deadhead Feds tye dyed beds fled in X-File threads wrapped around some role playing heads full of acid dreads no longer in league with the reds and beatnik creds cashed for compact shreds drenched in drugs littered with bugs in big lugs of fiery leather slugs somewhere near their necks attempting grasps for packs of cigs when it somehow smacks of racks of records not on display shot up their veins some way out of in some out of the bay in a way out area of liquid headshops' drippy slop bathing Leary onto Kesey something else in Welsh and nuked the puked out bustop where fans saw wet chicks flickin cult shirt Bic's 'neath humonguos tits engulfed in Rickenbackers flirting dodgy bullets with tasty chicken leg pegs held in Reaper sneakers tweaking electric Hawkwind on Orange speakers makin careers of Knievels jumpin high and die so lets not lie and say stack em by the side and work that fly, you pumped up rock'n'roll Sly. From dahl at AROS.NET Wed Mar 25 18:14:57 1998 From: dahl at AROS.NET (dahl) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:14:57 -0700 Subject: Heaven Forbid (in my pants) Message-ID: The first thing I did when I left work yesterday is run down to Sucker City (also known as Circuit City) and get my copy of HF. It's still spinning in the old CD player now. Yes, it is one ugly album cover, but the CD rocks. It rocks hard. My wife Shelly said she felt like she should put on her leather miniskirt as the CD player was making it's first trip through the disc. BOC did not disappoint (unless you're some lame ass wuss you can't stop listening to that damn Titanic soundtrack). I haven't listened to it enough to give the big song by song critique, but I can honestly say that I'm digging it all. I was worried when I first looked at the track list and saw "In Thee", but was very happy to hear a current live rendition of the song that is very cool. Nice job guys. At least there is no new versions of the big 3. Another thing I must comment on is the incredible musicianship on this album. Everybody plays great. There is something here for everybody (except you accordian and skin flute players). It seems like there is not a lot of keyboard work here either. I think this album stands up against anything that is out there right now. Still listening and rocking hard, Brad "Hey Babe, wanna burn one?" Lawrence of Cobble Creek http://www.moosenet.com/poison.html From HWillman at AOL.COM Wed Mar 25 20:11:12 1998 From: HWillman at AOL.COM (HWillman) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:11:12 EST Subject: 3/24 Baton Rouge Review Message-ID: My BOC Holiday should rate with some of yours, because. . . I got the new CD -- AND saw them live. I have no complaints (far from it), but a few details and thoughts/opinions. Texas Club (Baton Rouge, La.), March 24, 10:30 p.m. to 12:20 a.m. Opening act: Nozmo King (from New Orleans), played from 9:00 to 9:30 p.m., mostly covers of classic rock. Pretty good. BOC Setlist: Before the Kiss (A Redcap) Cities on Flame with Rock and Roll ETI Harvest Moon Buck's Boogie OD'd on Life Itself The Vigil Live for Me Flaming Telepaths See You in Black Then Came the Last Days of May In Thee BFY Zilla DFTR (end regular set) Dominance and Submission The Red and The Black What a kick-ass BOC show. I love the intimate atmosphere with BOC jamming. This was my first time seeing BOC in 8 years (as Eric said, "we don't come down here very often"), but about the 25th time since 1978 (I've lost count, unfortunately). I've only seen one show I didn't like (around 1985 in San Jose, Calif.; sound was horrible). Buck's vocals were fuzzy early, but it was corrected by the third song (thankfully, Harvest Moon came over perfectly). His guitar work was as good as I remember it, perhaps better (is that possible?). He is still one fine player. I was impressed by the heavy sound in the new songs (first time I'd heard any of the three new ones they played). Buck responded well to the crowd. He (and the other members) thrived on the diehards' reaction to his playing -- more so than I remember in the past. I must say it was great to see each one of them smile (even the new members, but especially Buck, Eric, and Allen). They seemed to dig deeper because of it. All of the old standards were fine (heard them tons of times, but always love anything BOC plays live at show volume/settings), but I really enjoyed The Vigil (wouldn't any BOC fan?). Buck seemed especially sharp on that. His work on the 3 new songs was enthusiastic (and crisp work). As I mentioned, a very heavy (yet clear) sound. As heavy as these new songs sound on CD, they're even better live (at least on this night). Based on this, there is no reason BOC should even think about quitting (if they are, but I doubt it). The crowd loved them as much as the old standby trio (BFY/Zilla/DFTR) -- this bunch had its share of classic rock groupies. HEAVEN FORBID COMMENTS What a CD! They definitely play the best 3 songs live (See You in Black, Harvest Moon, Live for Me). Heck, I guess it's 4 with the live version of In Thee. I think my friends who are so-so on BOC will like this CD (yes, I have friends who are so-so on BOC!). Let's hope BOC gets some airplay, because the tunes are catchy ones -- catchy enough to help the current tour. Harvest Moon and Live for Me have fantastic work by Buck; good to see he's still strong. All in all, a fun day (and I hope BOC enjoyed some Cajun cuisine on their brief stop). Wish there were more days like this. Maybe the Brain Surgeons will venture into south Louisiana one day. Until then, we have CDs and great memories -- I treasure mine (one of which includes the 1980 midnight show at The Old Waldorf in San Francisco). My best wishes to BOC, its staff, and fans everywhere. -- Howard From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Thu Mar 26 12:19:43 1998 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:19:43 EST Subject: HW: Hawkwind and TOGWT In-Reply-To: <199803252053.UAA29682@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>; from "J Strobridge" at Mar 25, 98 08:53:30 pm Message-ID: I cant remember that Hawkwind were on the OGWT,but steve swindells was after he left HW.I remember being really disappointed,he was a bit like Billy Joel. regards Marty From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM Wed Mar 25 21:26:31 1998 From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (Bryan Young) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 18:26:31 -0800 Subject: HF: Does this stand for Hawkwind Frenzy? Message-ID: Actually, I've heard so much about Heaven Forbid now that I'll probably even go out and buy it, and I only own a half-dozen BOC albums... But I'd really rather have all the HF filtered out. I don't need to hear how many radio stations are playing "See You in Black", etc. Not to start another flame war, because I do like BOC. (Probably as much as I like Queen, as I've got a half-dozen Queen albums, too.) But please, BOC, filter your messages. The Hawkwind messages I get always say HW: blah blah blah. I get about 20 BOC messages that don't seem to realize that the filter won't work if you put HF: blah blah blah. Thanks, and sorry to be so negative. I actually can't wait to get the new BOC. It's going to have to wait for labelmates Motorhead and UFO (finally in America), but I will get it. Thanks again, Bryan -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Young CANADA blyoung AT bigfoot DOT com ----------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/Area51/7118 SF Reading Club http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 Hawkwind http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/6878 IFHL-FLA ----------------------------------------------------------- "20 minutes goes by pretty fast when you're on a breakaway" From cando at HIGHFIBER.COM Wed Mar 25 23:31:14 1998 From: cando at HIGHFIBER.COM (James Coburn) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:31:14 -0700 Subject: BOC: Orgasms, Crumbs, Covers. Message-ID: ) - so many more orgasms yet to experience... ;-) > >John Ha! Whoaaa JOHN!!! I hope you get your wife in on some of this. (you've got 2 out of 3 - not bad (sex, drugs, rock and roll)). >> - however, they were NOT in the main racks, but >> underneath them, where they typically keep the extra CDs. "Well, >> this is incredibly LAME" I thought, "Who's going to see them down >> THERE?" So, after putting a few behind the "Blue Oyster Cult" divider, >> I spied the space above the racks where they often put popular, new, >> or sale discs. Figuring that no-one really wants to buy Mary Blige CDs, >> I put a bunch up on top where the much-debated cover could be >> prominently seen. Then, I snuck the remaining 4 or 5 CDs onto Tower's >> rack of new releases near the front of the store. "MUCH better" I thought. > >John, you kill me. You forgot to leave a trail of breadcrumbs from >the front door to the "B" section, though. ;-) > >Steve (Swann) I love it. John, maybe you're 3OC's next manager or at the very least, head of PR. Keep up the good work buddy. Re the "cover." So why is THAT cover on there in the first place? It wasn't a coin toss or chosen by throwing darts at a selection on the CMC office wall. Was it a CMC suggestion and the boys didn't have anything better to offer? Some link with Eric's Sci-Fi connection? Has anybody been over to the other side (AOL) for some input or tidbits from Buck or Eric? Where's Manual when we need him? Bolle? What's the real answer? James Coburn Albuquerque, NM From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Thu Mar 26 03:47:03 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Nebosuke) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 03:47:03 EST Subject: BOC: AOL chat Message-ID: The Heaven Forbid "CD release party" on AOL Tuesday night had a record number of attendees, I believe (I heard there were about 65 people there at the height of the festivities). BD mentioned at one point that the cover image was inspired by the "waterlogged gal" from Peter Straub's "Ghost Story", although things were scrolling and questions flying so fast that no follow-up to this was possible. In response to a question of whether the recording of HF was more pleasurable than that of Club Ninja he said that it was "more fun than a barrel of Ninjas". He also confirmed that the lyric book held the correct spelling for "Bobrow" in "Harvest Moon" (I had wondered this and asked for confirmation since there are so many obvious inaccuracies), said he "stole (the name) from a family outside of Ithaca". -Chris Baker From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Thu Mar 26 04:03:37 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Nebosuke) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 04:03:37 EST Subject: 3/24 Baton Rouge Review Message-ID: Howard, Thanks for the scoop on the show... > the 1980 midnight show at The Old Waldorf in San Francisco Was that the live-broadcast one? Killer, if it was (and probably even if it wasn't!) >I hope BOC enjoyed some Cajun cuisine on their brief stop In a post on AOL tonight BD mentioned (I paraphrase for etiquette's sake) that it was nice to be back down in that part of the country, it had been a while, and he had just enjoyed a Creole meal - so that's your answer for that! -Chris Baker From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Mar 26 04:29:50 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:29:50 -0000 Subject: uh.. Message-ID: Looks like The Verve were wrong then! :) -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Mar 26 04:38:19 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:38:19 +0000 Subject: Off: Projekt (was: BOC: Tower Records check) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:00:50 PST." <002401bd5696$60fcb820$7b01010a@aaronpc.cyberhighway.net> Message-ID: > > > >ObCD: black tape for a blue girl, _remnants of a deeper purity_ > > > > Nice to see someone else who has actually heard of the Projekt label! Tim, > have you heard the latest Lycia album "Cold"? I *really* enjoy this CD. > Speaking of picking up CDs at a decent price, a couple weeks ago I found the > most recent lovliescrushing CD used for 99 cents! What a bargain... I'm not that familiar with Projekt stuff, beyond BTfaBG, O Yuki Conjugate & Steve Roach. I take it most of these other bands are floaty, goth "I want to kill myself" types ? (That's not necessarily a complaint). cheers, Tim From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Mar 26 05:41:23 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:41:23 -0000 Subject: BOC: HEAVEN FORBID!!! Message-ID: On Wednesday, March 25, 1998 2:52 PM, bart [SMTP:bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK] wrote: > > ObLyrics: TWR, _Fish Song_ Bummer. At least you know, Guy Kyser understands. -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From lansford at VNET.NET Thu Mar 26 06:59:10 1998 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:59:10 GMT Subject: uh.. In-Reply-To: <199803252312.AAA00823@online.no> Message-ID: And I thought I was on some good drugs.... Jean Lansford lansford at vnet.net http://users.vnet.net/lansford/ From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu Mar 26 07:45:21 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:45:21 +0100 Subject: OFF: uh.. Message-ID: Nah, one only needs drugs to *read* all these friggin BOC-L posts everyday. It can be a chore. I secretly wish I was a digest subscriber sometimes, but this was a way of tackling it without upsetting the routine: writing an organic BOC-L digest to myself, a sort of BOC-L mind soup. (and its not very good..!) Unless 14 cl of beer an hour earlier counts, there were no drugs (and it takes more than 2 glasses of beer...!) :) Christian > And I thought I was on some good drugs.... > > > Jean Lansford > lansford at vnet.net > http://users.vnet.net/lansford/ From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Thu Mar 26 10:02:41 1998 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:02:41 -0500 Subject: OFF: Ritchie Blackmore Question In-Reply-To: from "BREVARD, Adrian R." at Mar 25, 98 02:41:00 pm Message-ID: BREVARD, Adrian R. writes: > > Anybody know anything about RB's new solo? Love it or shove it? I know > I like RB's cover art better than HF's, Yowza on the back! I assume you're talking about Blackmore's Night? It's cheezy. Not entirely without redeeming qualities, but the whole pseudo-gypsy schtick just doesn't work very well. The lyrics are strained, the girl's voice is only mediocre, and the music sounds repressed, like it's just *dying* to burst out into a big flaming guitar solo (but perhaps unfortunately, it doesn't). Steve From deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET Thu Mar 26 13:05:53 1998 From: deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET (Aaron Crandall) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:05:53 -0800 Subject: Off: Projekt (was: BOC: Tower Records check) Message-ID: Tim wrote: > >I'm not that familiar with Projekt stuff, beyond BTfaBG, O Yuki Conjugate >& Steve Roach. I take it most of these other bands are floaty, goth "I want to >kill myself" types ? (That's not necessarily a complaint). > Yes, most of the stuff I've heard is along the lines of BTfaBG, although I wouldn't call it "I want to kill myself" music. If you like Remnants of a Deeper Purity, try "Soul Whirling Somewhere: Eating the Sea" or "Lycia: Cold". Both of these are excellent CDs -- melodic and drifting, and better than BTfaBG (IMHO). I'd also recommend picking up one of Projekt's "Beneath the Icy Floe" CD samplers, which are very reasonably priced and will give you an idea of the artists they carry. Aaron From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Mar 25 16:14:52 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:14:52 +0000 Subject: Dissing Zappa In-Reply-To: <$52g2jA9$QG1Ew5Z@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: >Bravo! > >Right, whose next? Capt. Beefheart, the old tosser? Small Faces, the >shorties? Luke Vibert with his stupid cutting edege sampledelia/Big >Beat/Drum 'n'bass crossover? The Beatles? > >Why The Clash were shit by BOC-L. > >Rundgren lost it when he left The Nazz. "Open My Eyes" was the best >thing he ever did. Look at the trousers he was wearing during "A Wizard, >A True Star" Double bravo - "Open My Eyes" IMHO is probably the greatest piece of psych/pop/rock ever - it blew me away the first time I heard it - I think it's time I got my turntable & my vinyl back from the loving care of a friend (one of the worst things about my marital meltdown: temporarily living without my vinyl!). > >hang on a minute, my favorite FZ is the "Shut Up And Play Your Guitar" >which is highly musically adept, and being an instrumental, is hardly >misogenistic. Of course, you couldn't defend FZ's spiteful misogyny with >some "reinforcing steroetypes" psychobabble. You're dead right there. >However, It's worth pointing out that FZ hated *everybody*, with a >special reserve for Brits. Women caught it no worse than anyone else. > >-- >Jon SU&PYG battles with Hot Rats, Waka Jawaka & Grand Wazoo in my pantheon - and I think pretty much for the same reasons as Jon. I never thought that my silly aside would stir up this much comment, but I suppose I should know better having been around the list for a while now. Cheers guys.. ChrisW If in doubt, get a life! From John.McCartney at CORP.SUN.COM Thu Mar 26 13:56:25 1998 From: John.McCartney at CORP.SUN.COM (John McCartney) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:56:25 -0800 Subject: Hawkvid questions Message-ID: An online video place (www.reel.com) lists 3 different Chronicle video items: Chronicle of the Black Sword $16.97 Chronicle (Special Edition) $33.97 Chronicle (video cd) $19.52 What's the scoop on these, is the special edition the one to get? They also have Chaos, Live Ledgends (laserdisc), Night of the Hawks, Solstice, and Love in Space; the latter at a staggering $72.20! scorch From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu Mar 26 14:04:53 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:04:53 +0100 Subject: Hawkvid questions Message-ID: > John McCartney writes > > An online video place (www.reel.com) lists 3 different Chronicle > video items: > > Chronicle of the Black Sword $16.97 > Chronicle (Special Edition) $33.97 > Chronicle (video cd) $19.52 > > What's the scoop on these, is the special edition the one to get? > YES. That and the CDrom have a very cool 15 minute encore availible nowhere else... Christian > > They also have Chaos, Live Ledgends (laserdisc), Night of the Hawks, > Solstice, and Love in Space; the latter at a staggering $72.20! > > > scorch From artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM Thu Mar 26 15:48:59 1998 From: artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM (Gary Davis) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:48:59 -0500 Subject: Buck Dharma on IRC Message-ID: Hi folks! Just a note to let you know that The Artist Shop and Talk City will be hosting an IRC Chat with Buck Dharma on Sunday, April 5. Stop by our IRC Page at for details on where and when the chat will be. And while your visiting us, stop by to check out Buck's live video. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop.com phone: 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm From imaginos at PAVILION.CO.UK Thu Mar 26 17:34:41 1998 From: imaginos at PAVILION.CO.UK (Jason Gool) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:34:41 +0000 Subject: HF in UK In-Reply-To: <199803251738.RAA29938@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: > > Have any of you researched US mail order outlets to get Heaven Forbid > > (& any other CDs for that matter) sent to the UK? > > > > If so which outlet(s) would you recommend? Which are most reliable, > > best prices etc.? > > > > Any info would help. From the reviews of HF so far it seems well worth > > getting (not that we wouldn't all get it anyway!) > > I just checked a UK CD site (Pastel Blue) but though they carry a lot of BOC, > theres no HF. > > I think you'll find Andy G here has used www.cdnow.com OK, though a friend of > mine used them, only to find the package labelled in such a way that he had to > stump up a hefty import fee as well. YMMV. > > Me, I gave up buying CDs for Lent, so I'll wait until I find it in the stores. Both HMV and Virgin say the UK release date is the 6th of April. Jas. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Mar 26 11:08:30 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:08:30 +0000 Subject: Dissing Zappa In-Reply-To: <3519BEB2.5D29@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: In article <3519BEB2.5D29 at dial.pipex.com>, Stuart Hamilton writes >The Small Faces - talentless, media creations. >The Clash - ditto but special >contempt reserved for the media followers who actually believed the hype. >Punk - On Broadway, I don't think so. The Ruts ruled the punk roost round >our way. They were good live, I grant you, although it was a bit horrible being covered in Malcolm's blood. ICU, however, were the best punk band as any fule kno. Regarding the Small Faces, I'm afraid you are deeply in error concerning your allegations. Flat out wrong. I suspect I could write a piece similar in length to your defence of Rundgren (who I do actually like, BTW) but who cares anyway.... -- Jon From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Mar 26 20:21:46 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:21:46 -0800 Subject: BOC Setlist Message-ID: BOC Setlist: Before the Kiss (A Redcap) Harvester of Eyes {CoFwRaR} Hammer Back ETI Harvest Moon Cold Gray Light of Dawn {BB} OD'd on Life Itself The Vigil Live for Me Flaming Telepaths See You in Black Then Came the Last Days of May In Thee Subhuman {BFY} Zilla DFTR (end regular set) Damaged Dominance and Submission {TRaTB} You have to have 6 from HF. Ghost in the Ruins From deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET Thu Mar 26 21:39:58 1998 From: deadline at CYBERHIGHWAY.NET (Aaron Crandall) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:39:58 -0800 Subject: BOC Setlist Message-ID: >(end regular set) >Damaged >Dominance and Submission >{TRaTB} I can't listen to Damaged without imagining Danny on stage doing his thing. That bassline RULES! Aaron From walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET Thu Mar 26 22:16:03 1998 From: walrus at THORAZINE.NEURON.NET (Walrus) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:16:03 -0500 Subject: HW: Vids: Who's who in the Hawkwind Zoo Message-ID: hiyas.. just got my chaos and night of the hawks videos, tho only actually watched half of chaos (shame on me!).. so the question is, what was the lineup on both the videos? on chaos, i only really recognise dave (gimme a break, this is the first time i've seen any of them actually moving! (ie not photos!)) wal ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______ " The gentle madness Walrus _______\_ has touched my hand walrus at neuron.net /__\O/__/= Now I'm just a _|\ .^. Cosmic Man ... " .. spacing out | \_/ by spacing in .. From ChStier at AOL.COM Thu Mar 26 22:53:30 1998 From: ChStier at AOL.COM (ChStier) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:53:30 EST Subject: BOC: HF Message-ID: Well, too bad ol' Susie "there's too much HW" what's-er-name left. I bet she'd be enjoying the list right about now! BTW, the new album's great. A worthy reward for a long wait. Chris From StevenTice at AOL.COM Fri Mar 27 01:37:32 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (StevenTice) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 01:37:32 EST Subject: BOC: HF time sig fun...SYIB and PUD Message-ID: For those who were wondering, here's the time signature scoop... See You in Black begins in 11/8, with the verses in alternating measures of 4/4 and 7/8, and the chorus in 4/4. The 11/8 pattern returns a time or two as well. Interestingly, the chorus of Power Underneath Despair is ALSO in alternating bars of 4/4 and 7/8. Perhaps, since experimentation of this sort is rare for BOC, once they settled upon an odd pattern that suited them they figured they might as well stick with it...:-) Steven Tice From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Mar 27 06:11:44 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 03:11:44 PST Subject: OFF: Eeeny Faces (Was: Dissing Zappa) Message-ID: Stuart Hamilton writes.. >>The Small Faces - talentless, media creations. Jon Browne countered with... >Regarding the Small Faces, I'm afraid you are deeply in error >concerning your allegations. but who cares anyway.... I CARE - Tell us more. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From mumford at ONLINE.NO Fri Mar 27 07:15:55 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:15:55 +0100 Subject: Eeeny Faces (Was: Dissing Zappa) Message-ID: > Stuart Hamilton writes.. > >>The Small Faces - talentless, media creations. > > Jon Browne countered with... > >Regarding the Small Faces, I'm afraid you are deeply in error > >concerning your allegations. but who cares anyway.... > > I CARE - Tell us more. Jeez, they were just a wonderful band. Ogden's Nut Gone Flake is up there with Forever Changes or Revolver as far as classic albums from that era go, I think few people would agree that they were "talentless media creations". Any Marriott/Lane song is a classic (not just my opinion I think) in its own right and the Small Faces have influenced some of the most influental bands of ANY era in poular music since and still do. Tin Soldier? Itchicoo Park? Here Come The Nice? And about 40 more classics - Y'can't deny it! Christian From lestewm at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Fri Mar 27 11:24:34 1998 From: lestewm at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Miles Lester) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:24:34 -0600 Subject: New to List Message-ID: Hi, I found this list only a couple of days ago when I was looking for information about BOC's upcoming HF release. I have a couple of observations to make which I don't intend to get flamed for, but rather hope will spark good conversation in the list. 1) Who is Hawkwind, is there a connection between HW and BOC?, Is there a musical similarity?, in other words, as a BOC fanatic, would I probably like HW? As I said, please don't be offended by my ignorance in this question. I am actually quite travelled in the realms of music, including obscure groups and labels and simply have never run across HW nor have any of my friends who like similar music told me of them. 2) I am a LONG time subscriber to the "Rush NMS" mailing list/listserv. While I get really annoyed with the blind dittoheads in the Rush group, I do recognize their extreme loyalty/devotion to the group Rush. In the NMS, talk of a new album would spark a marked increase in listserv traffic as they hashed out rumors, gloat over early promo hearings, generally discussing the new release. I am kind of disappointed that there is actually little traffic relating to the new release, and almost none even critiquing(sp?) the CD. I find it very interesting that BOC chose to use John Shirley's lyrics on almost every song, but nothing is mentioned about that here..... Please, I am not asking for flames, only trying to either get good conversation going, or at least understand the mentality of the list. Oh well, good feedback, even if it doesn't agree with me is welcome. I'm only making an observation. Thanks........... __ ______ / \ ______ ___________________________________________ |__ _|/ /\ \|_ __| | | / / \ \ | | Miles Lester | |/ /____\ \| | lestewm at mail.auburn.edu (334) 844-9188 | / ________ \ | http://www.auburn.edu/~lestewm/welcome.html _|/ /__ __\ \|_ Division of University Computing |_______| |_______| 144 Parker Hall \ \__________/ / Auburn University, AL. 36849 \____________/ ___________________________________________ AUBURN UNIVERSITY From lestewm at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Fri Mar 27 11:25:25 1998 From: lestewm at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Miles Lester) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:25:25 -0600 Subject: BOC: HF time sig fun...SYIB and PUD Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: StevenTice To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Friday, March 27, 1998 12:44 AM Subject: BOC: HF time sig fun...SYIB and PUD >For those who were wondering, here's the time signature scoop... > >See You in Black begins in 11/8, with the verses in alternating measures of >4/4 and 7/8, and the chorus in 4/4. The 11/8 pattern returns a time or two as >well. > >Interestingly, the chorus of Power Underneath Despair is ALSO in alternating >bars of 4/4 and 7/8. Perhaps, since experimentation of this sort is rare for >BOC, once they settled upon an odd pattern that suited them they figured they >might as well stick with it...:-) > >Steven Tice > From lestewm at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Fri Mar 27 11:27:24 1998 From: lestewm at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Miles Lester) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:27:24 -0600 Subject: BOC: HF time sig fun...SYIB and PUD Message-ID: I think I accidently sent this message out once without my reply. Anyway, I sent a message out earlier saying that I hadn't seen much insight into the new HF release from BOC. Well, this is exactly the kind of messaging that I like to see. I am glad to see an insight into the time/tempo of the songs. Thanks for the info. -----Original Message----- From: StevenTice To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Friday, March 27, 1998 12:44 AM Subject: BOC: HF time sig fun...SYIB and PUD >For those who were wondering, here's the time signature scoop... > >See You in Black begins in 11/8, with the verses in alternating measures of >4/4 and 7/8, and the chorus in 4/4. The 11/8 pattern returns a time or two as >well. > >Interestingly, the chorus of Power Underneath Despair is ALSO in alternating >bars of 4/4 and 7/8. Perhaps, since experimentation of this sort is rare for >BOC, once they settled upon an odd pattern that suited them they figured they >might as well stick with it...:-) > >Steven Tice > From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Fri Mar 27 12:06:27 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:06:27 +0000 Subject: New to List In-Reply-To: <000e01bd599c$d4d82ff0$6e55cc83@rubber.duc.auburn.edu> Message-ID: Hi Miles Welcome to the list. I don't know how long you've been here, but there has been a fair bit of traffic over the past few days relating to the new CD. Nothing much about specific lyrics though, more along the lines of initial impressions. At this point, I have to confess that I haven't yet picked up a copy of HF - I don't even know if London's record stores will have it [at this point I guess I should pick up a pearl-handled revolver and leave the room....]. The HW/BOC connection? The author Michael Moorcock has written lyrics for both bands - indeed, he has played in Hawkwind on various occasions. HW have been around for even longer than BOC, being a pretty grizzled old bunch of geezers by now. HW are a Brit rock band with a strong poetic SF element to their lyrics. They have a tendency towards rather hypnotic rythyms and sounds, which probably explains the tendency for them to attract rather stoned-out audiences. I gather they've gone a bit ambient in recent times,but others here can fill you in more accurately on that. It's impossible to say if you'd like them, but for some truly excellent tracks I'd recommend the albums "Quark, Strangeness and Charm" and "PXR5". Ex-BOC man Albert Bouchard has recently covered some HW tracks with his band The Brain Surgeons. Welcome again.... Dave (assuming most others have pissed off early on Friday) On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, Miles Lester wrote: > 1) Who is Hawkwind, is there a connection between HW and BOC?, Is there a > musical similarity?, in other words, as a BOC fanatic, would I probably > like HW? As I said, please don't be offended by my ignorance in this > question. I am actually quite travelled in the realms of music, including > obscure groups and labels and simply have never run across HW nor have any > of my friends who like similar music told me of them. > > 2) I am a LONG time subscriber to the "Rush NMS" mailing list/listserv. > While I get really annoyed with the blind dittoheads in the Rush group, I do > recognize their extreme loyalty/devotion to the group Rush. In the NMS, talk > of a new album would spark a marked increase in listserv traffic as they > hashed out rumors, gloat over early promo hearings, generally discussing the > new release. I am kind of disappointed that there is actually little traffic > relating to the new release, and almost none even critiquing(sp?) the CD. I > find it very interesting that BOC chose to use John Shirley's lyrics on > almost every song, but nothing is mentioned about that here..... Please, I > am not asking for flames, only trying to either get good conversation going, > or at least understand the mentality of the list. > > Oh well, good feedback, even if it doesn't agree with me is welcome. I'm > only making an observation. > > Thanks........... > __ > ______ / \ ______ ___________________________________________ > |__ _|/ /\ \|_ __| > | | / / \ \ | | Miles Lester > | |/ /____\ \| | lestewm at mail.auburn.edu (334) 844-9188 > | / ________ \ | http://www.auburn.edu/~lestewm/welcome.html > _|/ /__ __\ \|_ Division of University Computing > |_______| |_______| 144 Parker Hall > \ \__________/ / Auburn University, AL. 36849 > \____________/ ___________________________________________ > AUBURN UNIVERSITY > ****************************************************************************** David Hardman "Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner HCI Design Centre That I love Luton town" School of Informatics (John Hegley) City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Mar 27 12:15:40 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:15:40 PST Subject: HW: New to List Message-ID: > I am actually quite travelled in the realms of music, including >obscure groups and labels and simply have never run across HW nor have any >of my friends who like similar music told me of them. Well, tell us what YOU like.... Anyway - who are HW??? Go out, buy, rent, borrow or steal _Space Ritual_ a lovely live double LP/CD/MC and if you like it, you'll like Hawkwind. Or you'll die in shameful ignorance. >2) I am a LONG time subscriber to the "Rush NMS" mailing list/listserv. That alone seems to be enough to provoke a pitched verbal battle and laughing match on this list.... >While I get really annoyed with the blind dittoheads in the Rush >group, They _are_ Rush fans after all, what d'y'expect. > I do >recognize their extreme loyalty/devotion to the group Rush. In the >NMS, talk of a new album would spark a marked increase in listserv >traffic as they hashed out rumors, gloat over early promo hearings, >generally discussing the new release. I am kind of disappointed that >there is actually little traffic relating to the new release, Hey it's only been 10 years since the last one...relax, crack a beer, let's just spin the sucker for a few months.. _then_ we'll get stuck in. >or at least understand the mentality of the list. Hey, I'd reckon you might need to be here for years before you even scratch the surface of these weirdos . Just bear in mind the ripples of mirth every time someone mentions Rush. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 27 12:43:27 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:43:27 +0000 Subject: New to List Message-ID: On fre 27 mar 1998 17.06 +0000 "Hardman DK" wrote: > The HW/BOC connection? The author Michael Moorcock has written lyrics for > both bands - indeed, he has played in Hawkwind on various occasions. This is quite true, though that is almost coincidental to the reason the list represents both bands. List-founder Steve Swann only had the resources for one list for both his favorite bands: thus, the BOC/Hawkwind email list. As it happens, there's a certain amount of cross-over amongst fans and some people joined the list being fans on one band, and then became fans of the other. I joined for BOC and became a huge Hawkfan as well :) Cheers, Carl ObListBandCrossover: The Brain Surgeons, "Hassan I Sabha" -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 27 13:07:59 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:07:59 +0000 Subject: BOC: 3 June, London Astoria !! Message-ID: Looks like BOC will be playing the London Astoria on 3 June! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Mar 27 13:03:22 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:03:22 GMT Subject: HW: Hawkwind and TOGWT In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:05:58 -0000 Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > > obQuizForTheAncients> who can remember the meaning behind the title > > "The Old Grey Whistle Test"? A pint for the winner..... next time > > Hawkwind tour in Edinburgh 8-) > > > > Oh, everybody knows that! :) > > (If the old grey guys whistled a tune after they heard it, then it passed > the test. Or something like that.) yeah - near 'nuff. I think it was in fact the elderly doormen and janitors who used to wander around Broadcasting House in the eldern days. Dunno if they still have them now. The pint is yours. All we need is Hawkwind in Edinburgh now! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Mar 27 13:11:13 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:11:13 PST Subject: BOC: 3 June, London Astoria !! Message-ID: > Looks like BOC will be playing the London Astoria on 3 June! > Carl how did you find this out??????????????????????????????? Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 27 13:19:12 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:19:12 +0000 Subject: BOC: 3 June, London Astoria !! Message-ID: On fre 27 mar 1998 10.11 +0000 "Horse Whisperer" wrote: >> Looks like BOC will be playing the London Astoria on 3 June! > > Carl how did you find this out??????????????????????????????? By looking at the www.bocfanclub.com tour dates page :) So it might be a complete lie, but I'm hoping it's not! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jean-charles.moriaud at DIGITAL.COM Fri Mar 27 13:40:02 1998 From: jean-charles.moriaud at DIGITAL.COM (Jean-Charles Moriaud) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:40:02 -0000 Subject: 3 June, London Astoria !! Message-ID: > Looks like BOC will be playing the London Astoria on 3 June! > >Cheers, >Carl > >-- >Carl Edlund Anderson >Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic >St. John's College, University of Cambridge Then they HAVE to come also at least to Paris or/and to Switzerland... I can't wait! Any further news on the "Heaven Forbid World Tour"? Cheers, ___________________________________ Jean-Charles Moriaud - DIGITAL Tel:+41 22 709 4979 - Fax: +41 22 7094140 mailto:jean-charles.moriaud at digital.com 400: c=ch;a=concert;p=digital;o=mail ___________________________________ From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Fri Mar 27 14:09:30 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:09:30 -0500 Subject: BOC: HF comparisons Message-ID: Just some random thoughts about HF: After repeated listenings, my favorite songs (in no particular order) are: Harvest Moon (for the lyrics and Buck's singing) Real World (guitar reminds me of Dave Matthews Band. A fun departure from the usual BOC.) Damaged (a great tune to just rock out to. It should be on the radio.) See You In Black (I can tune out the lyrics. The riff is incredible and the time changes make it more than a "Heavy Metal Shlock" rehash.) My least favorites (they're still better than most stuff I've heard lately): Hammer Back (for the lyrics, not the guitar work. Plus Eric's voice sounds weaker on this one.) Power... (I can't handle the repetitive chorus, but Eric sounds great on the verses. The guitar solo isn't up to the standard of the rest of the album.) Still Burnin' (I'd love it if the bass drums were turned down and the echo effect was removed. It sounds a little sloppy, like it was done live in the studio.) Overall, HF definately owes more to '80s BOC than their '70s work. I think it's head and shoulders above all the '80s albums though, except maybe FoUO. Live For Me could have been a B-side from Club Ninja (except that it's better than almost everything on that album.) Danny's bass lines are killer, especially on X-Ray Eyes and See You In Black. The only complaint I have about the drumming is the mix on SB, otherwise I think it fits well, and Bobby does a nice job on LFM. When I first heard X-Ray Eyes, I didn't like it. Now it's slowly becoming one of my favorites. I've caught myself singing it several times. Anyone care to discuss/debate/flame? Brian obSONGINMYHEAD> X-Ray Eyes From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Mar 27 14:32:38 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:32:38 -0000 Subject: BOC: 3 June, London Astoria !! Message-ID: On Friday, March 27, 1998 6:19 PM, Carl Edlund Anderson [SMTP:cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK] wrote: > On fre 27 mar 1998 10.11 +0000 "Horse Whisperer" > wrote: > >> Looks like BOC will be playing the London Astoria on 3 June! > > > > Carl how did you find this out??????????????????????????????? > > By looking at the www.bocfanclub.com tour dates page :) So it might > be a complete lie, but I'm hoping it's not! > Well, I'll probably go into town tomorrow anyway, so I'll stroll by and see what's cooking. -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Mar 27 16:07:15 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:07:15 -0500 Subject: BOC: HF time sig fun...SYIB and PUD Message-ID: >For those who were wondering, here's the time signature scoop... > >See You in Black begins in 11/8, with the verses in alternating measures of >4/4 and 7/8, and the chorus in 4/4. The 11/8 pattern returns a time or two as >well. I prefer to think of it going like this... Bum - ba - Bum - ba - Bum - ba - Bum - BUM (repeat) and then Nah-nunanunanuna-Nah-nunanunanuna-Nah-nunanunanuna-Naah-Naah (repeat) ;-) John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Mar 27 16:19:17 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:19:17 -0500 Subject: BOC: HF comparisons Message-ID: >Anyone care to discuss/debate/flame? Sure, this is BOC-L after all . . . ;-) >favorites: >Harvest Moon (for the lyrics and Buck's singing) I think the instrumentation is also quite good - parts of it sound almost jazzy to me - and it fits the mood of the song wonderfully. >Damaged (a great tune to just rock out to. It should be on the radio.) This song just kicks ass. As a bass-player-wannabe, I'm going to make it a personal goal to learn this one - but some of those riffs are gonna be tough! >least favorites: >Hammer Back (for the lyrics, not the guitar work. Plus Eric's voice sounds weaker on this one.) Well, John Shirley's lyrics, at least as used by BOC, tend to be quite repetitive on most of the songs. As for Eric's voice sounding "weaker", it doesn't have some of that power of old - how much is intentional and how much is age/wear-n-tear is hard to say. But, it is sung well, and Eric still sounds plenty sinister for my tastes. >Power... (I can't handle the repetitive chorus, but Eric sounds great on the verses. Again, Shirley's lyrics. This one is definitely Eric's best vocal on the CD. I also like the prominent bass in this song - very nice. >Still Burnin' (I'd love it if the bass drums were turned down and the echo effect was removed. It sounds a little sloppy, like it was done live in the studio.) Well, this tune is just so damn catchy that I can't find too much fault with it. But, like you, I found the bass drums a bit overpowering. >Live For Me could have been a B-side from Club Ninja (except that it's better than almost everything on that album.) Does sound very mid-80s to me - but yeah, it's better than probably anythin on CN. >I think it's head and shoulders above all the '80s albums though, except maybe FoUO. I think it's hard for me to rank the various albums, but I think I'd rate this one higher than FOUO. John From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Mar 27 16:33:40 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 21:33:40 +0000 Subject: BOC: HF comparisons Message-ID: On fre 27 mar 1998 16.19 -0500 "John A Swartz" wrote: > I think it's hard for me to rank the various albums, but I think I'd rate > this one higher than FOUO. A bold statement! Gotta find this and listen to it, somehow ... Cheers, Carl ObBass: Metallica, "For Whom the Bell Tolls" :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Mar 27 16:42:39 1998 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:42:39 -0500 Subject: BOC: HF time sig fun...SYIB and PUD Message-ID: >>For those who were wondering, here's the time signature scoop... >> >>See You in Black begins in 11/8, with the verses in alternating measures of >>4/4 and 7/8, and the chorus in 4/4. The 11/8 pattern returns a time or two >I prefer to think of it going like this... > >Bum - ba - Bum - ba - Bum - ba - Bum - BUM (repeat) > >and then > >Nah-nunanunanuna-Nah-nunanunanuna-Nah-nunanunanuna-Naah-Naah (repeat) Can you put that in layman's terms for those of us who don't know technical musical terminology? +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at magg.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Fri Mar 27 18:26:10 1998 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:26:10 -0600 Subject: OFF: Great sale at CDNow Message-ID: Hi Guys! No, this is not a "spam." Just thought it might save some people some money if they were ordering any BOC or HW online. Use this link enter the CDNow site and save $10 on any purchase over $20. Hey . . . I just ordered HW's "Night of the Hawks" for $12.48, well really $10.48 since I had a $2 credit for some reason. It would have cost $22.48 otherwise. Sorry the link didn't fit all on one line. You might have to do some copying and pasting to get it entered. http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=232435196/pagename=/RP/visitors/new_visitor.html Very important! The sale is only on until March 30th, 1998. Hope this saves some people some money! Karen From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri Mar 27 18:56:18 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 23:56:18 +0000 Subject: New to List In-Reply-To: <1111466.3100009407@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: Carl wrote: > As it happens, there's a certain amount of cross-over amongst fans >and some people joined the list being fans on one band, and then became >fans of the other. I joined for BOC and became a huge Hawkfan as well :) > >Cheers, >Carl > >ObListBandCrossover: The Brain Surgeons, "Hassan I Sabha" > >-- >Carl Edlund Anderson >Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic >St. John's College, University of Cambridge >mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk >http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ Similarly, I joined through doing a BOC search on the 'net, but it was a treat to find the Hawkwind element, and it revived my interest in the band - I'd enjoyed them xx years ago (where xx is an indecently large number), but I'd lost touch over the years. Now, they're a prominent portion of my listening (which is pretty weird, wild & diverse) ChrisW ObCDs: John Renbourn/So Clear & Weather Report/Live In Tokyo If in doubt, get a life! From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri Mar 27 18:59:55 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 23:59:55 +0000 Subject: BOC: 3 June, London Astoria !! In-Reply-To: <1199997.3100010879@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 18:07 27/03/98 +0000, you wrote: > Looks like BOC will be playing the London Astoria on 3 June! > >Cheers, >Carl I hope this isn't a wind-up....More details please...It's the night before my birthday, so what a way to celebrate!!!! ChrisW If in doubt, get a life! From makmorn at QIS.NET Fri Mar 27 22:07:52 1998 From: makmorn at QIS.NET (Daniel Ligon) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 22:07:52 -0500 Subject: OFF: Great sale at CDNow & Music Boulevard In-Reply-To: <351C3592.8BD8307E@execpc.com>; from Karen Kusic on Fri, Mar 27, 1998 at 05:26:10PM -0600 Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 27, 1998 at 05:26:10PM -0600, Karen Kusic said: > Use this link enter the CDNow site and save $10 on any purchase over > $20. Strangely enough, Music Boulevard is running the same promotion! > http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=232435196/pagename=/RP/visitors/new_visitor.html http://musicblvd.com/celebrate > The sale is only on until March 30th, 1998. March 31st. -- Daniel Ligon makmorn at qis.net But I'm a Howler Monkey Moreau's half and half man From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sat Mar 28 02:54:12 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 02:54:12 -0500 Subject: OFF: Great sale at CDNow Message-ID: Karen made a potential fatal error with... >Use this link... >http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=232435196/pagename=/RP/visitors/ne w_visitor.html Do not use this exact URL to reach CDNow, because this is Karen's personal account there (the nine digit number refers only to her). I know because I almost ordered a Tim Blake CD for her. :) Anyway, there's no need to type all this in anyway, as there's a link to the 'new customer' $10-off promo on the main page. And it takes you to the same URL above, but with a different nine-digit ID#. I got one starting with 167........, maybe it's different with every person, I dunno. So be nice, and don't order a bunch of stuff for Karen just for fun. :) Actually, I don't know if I got far enough into it to actually receive authorization to change her order...I hope not, so none of you fiends will try anything nasty. :) Keith H. (FAA) ObCD: Virus - Revelation From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Mar 27 10:21:09 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:21:09 +0000 Subject: Eeeny Faces (Was: Dissing Zappa) In-Reply-To: <199803271218.NAA09613@online.no> Message-ID: In article <199803271218.NAA09613 at online.no>, reset writes >Jeez, they were just a wonderful band. Ogden's Nut Gone Flake is up there >with Forever Changes or Revolver as far as classic albums from that era go, >I think few people would agree that they were "talentless media creations". >Any Marriott/Lane song is a classic (not just my opinion I think) in its >own right and the Small Faces have influenced some of the most influental >bands of ANY era in poular music since and still do. Tin Soldier? Itchicoo >Park? Here Come The Nice? And about 40 more classics - Y'can't deny it! > >Christian Watcha Gonna Do About It? Sha La La La Lee My Mind's Eye All Or Nothing I Can't Make It (even) Lazy Sunday Afterglow Long Ago And Worlds Apart Song Of A Baker Become Like You Green Circles Autumn Stone Call It Something Nice Wham, Bam Thank You Mam! Nearly as easy to recall as Hawkwind songs! I'm particularly fond of the instrumental track Ogdens Nut Gone Flake, a far-out psych classic. I met Steve Marriott once and rolled the guy a cup of tea. I didn't know who he was until a couple of years after. He was one of the nicest, funniest guys I ever met, and like I say, he was just some bloke to me at the time. Probably just as well, otherwise I'd probably been to tounge-tied to talk. It was at a Here & Now gig, his "Packet Of Three" had just replaced us as support about 3 days before the gig. Small Faces are one of the very few bands I feel soppy about. The Ogden's album for me is *the* '60's album. You can pick up the greater percentage of their work on the two LP's "Ogden's" and "Autumn Stone", and they'll only set you back about a tenner the pair. But you really need the box set of The Immediate Years. (Mmm, mono versions, outakes, different mixes etc) Great haircuts too -- Jon From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sat Mar 28 04:33:54 1998 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (A. Sonique) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 19:33:54 +1000 Subject: Automatic reply Message-ID: Greetings. Sonique is in warmer (& more polluted) climes from Mar 28 to Apr 19. I will say this only once :-) From HWillman at AOL.COM Sat Mar 28 08:54:20 1998 From: HWillman at AOL.COM (HWillman) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 08:54:20 EST Subject: BOC: 3/24 Baton Rouge Review Message-ID: Sorry for the re-post. I originally sent this on 25March, but I'm re-posting with a BOC filter to accommodate those on the list who use that filter. My BOC Holiday should rate with some of yours, because. . . I got the new CD -- AND saw them live. I have no complaints (far from it), but a few details and thoughts/opinions. Texas Club (Baton Rouge, La.), March 24, 10:30 p.m. to 12:20 a.m. Opening act: Nozmo King (from New Orleans), played from 9:00 to 9:30 p.m., mostly covers of classic rock. Pretty good. BOC Setlist: Before the Kiss (A Redcap) Cities on Flame with Rock and Roll ETI Harvest Moon Buck's Boogie OD'd on Life Itself The Vigil Live for Me Flaming Telepaths See You in Black Then Came the Last Days of May In Thee BFY Zilla DFTR (end regular set) Dominance and Submission The Red and The Black What a kick-ass BOC show. I love the intimate atmosphere with BOC jamming. This was my first time seeing BOC in 8 years (as Eric said, "we don't come down here very often"), but about the 25th time since 1978 (I've lost count, unfortunately). I've only seen one show I didn't like (around 1985 in San Jose, Calif.; sound was horrible). Buck's vocals were fuzzy early, but it was corrected by the third song (thankfully, Harvest Moon came over perfectly). His guitar work was as good as I remember it, perhaps better (is that possible?). He is still one fine player. I was impressed by the heavy sound in the new songs (first time I'd heard any of the three new ones they played). Buck responded well to the crowd. He (and the other members) thrived on the diehards' reaction to his playing -- more so than I remember in the past. I must say it was great to see each one of them smile (even the new members, but especially Buck, Eric, and Allen). They seemed to dig deeper because of it. All of the old standards were fine (heard them tons of times, but always love anything BOC plays live at show volume/settings), but I really enjoyed The Vigil (wouldn't any BOC fan?). Buck seemed especially sharp on that. His work on the 3 new songs was enthusiastic (and crisp work). As I mentioned, a very heavy (yet clear) sound. As heavy as these new songs sound on CD, they're even better live (at least on this night). Based on this, there is no reason BOC should even think about quitting (if they are, but I doubt it). The crowd loved them as much as the old standby trio (BFY/Zilla/DFTR) -- this bunch had its share of classic rock groupies. HEAVEN FORBID COMMENTS What a CD! They definitely play the best 3 songs live (See You in Black, Harvest Moon, Live for Me). Heck, I guess it's 4 with the live version of In Thee. I think my friends who are so-so on BOC will like this CD (yes, I have friends who are so-so on BOC!). Let's hope BOC gets some airplay, because the tunes are catchy ones -- catchy enough to help the current tour. Harvest Moon and Live for Me have fantastic work by Buck; good to see he's still strong. All in all, a fun day (and I hope BOC enjoyed some Cajun cuisine on their brief stop). Wish there were more days like this. Maybe the Brain Surgeons will venture into south Louisiana one day. Until then, we have CDs and great memories -- I treasure mine (one of which includes the 1980 midnight show at The Old Waldorf in San Francisco). My best wishes to BOC, its staff, and fans everywhere. -- Howard From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Sat Mar 28 10:49:15 1998 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 09:49:15 -0600 Subject: OFF: Great sale at CDNow Message-ID: Keith! Thank you so much! I really appreciate your honesty. I'm calling CDNow right now to inform them of my boo boo. Karen Keith Henderson wrote: > > Karen made a potential fatal error with... > > >Use this link... > >http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=232435196/pagename=/RP/visitors/ne > w_visitor.html > > Do not use this exact URL to reach CDNow, because this is Karen's personal > account there (the nine digit number refers only to her). I know because I > almost ordered a Tim Blake CD for her. :) > > Anyway, there's no need to type all this in anyway, as there's a link to the > 'new customer' $10-off promo on the main page. And it takes you to the same > URL above, but with a different nine-digit ID#. I got one starting with > 167........, maybe it's different with every person, I dunno. So be nice, > and don't order a bunch of stuff for Karen just for fun. :) Actually, I > don't know if I got far enough into it to actually receive authorization to > change her order...I hope not, so none of you fiends will try anything > nasty. :) > > Keith H. (FAA) > > ObCD: Virus - Revelation From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Sat Mar 28 10:54:13 1998 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:54:13 +0200 Subject: BOC HF in DK Message-ID: Hej, Copies of the new BOC will reach denmark on tuesday I have been told. The price is not cheap at 139 or 149 kroner (6.96/$). SCott ObCs- Pan- Pan (Denmark 1970) R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 38 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From acobley at COMPUTING.DUNDEE.AC.UK Sat Mar 28 12:42:07 1998 From: acobley at COMPUTING.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy C) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:42:07 -0000 Subject: BOC: HF UK !!!! Message-ID: Sorry if this is old news.. Just been into the local Virgin to order HF from the states, to my surpirse the assistant gave e a date of April 6th for a UK release. I ordered a copy to add to the other person in Dundee to order one. Andy C From mumford at ONLINE.NO Sat Mar 28 14:10:12 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 20:10:12 +0100 Subject: OFF: 60s weekend on VH1 Message-ID: Dammit! I only get a scrambled signal - someone here taping any of this?? I just saw Arthur Brown doing Fire at the Beat Club, Steppenwolf, but I'm going nuts with the scrambled visuals.... ;( If anyone here is making a good comp video of this stuff... make me a copy :) Christian From mumford at ONLINE.NO Sat Mar 28 14:12:42 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 20:12:42 +0100 Subject: OFF: 60s weekend on VH1 Message-ID: Dammit! I only get a scrambled signal - someone here taping any of this?? I just saw Crazy World of Arthur Brown performing Fire at the Beat Club, Steppenwolf doing Born To Be Wild...etc. but I'm going nuts with the scrambled visuals.... ;( If anyone here is making a good comp video of this stuff... (right now its The Archies, I can miss out on that one :) Christian From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Mar 28 14:25:49 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 19:25:49 +0000 Subject: Bad News WWW Message-ID: One of my friends (with too much time on his hands) has created a web site for the (in)famous "band" BAD NEWS. http://rgi20.joh.cam.ac.uk/badnews/index.html -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sat Mar 28 15:31:41 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 20:31:41 GMT Subject: BOC: 3 June, London Astoria !! In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:07:59 +0000 Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > Looks like BOC will be playing the London Astoria on 3 June! > Nope. Won't be able to make that - curious tho' I am. jill obCompensation> the stage show version of Terry Pratchett's "Guards! Guards!" will be playing in Edinburgh on that day! ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sun Mar 29 03:59:53 1998 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 10:59:53 +0200 Subject: New to List Message-ID: Welcome, As a new person on the list You're of course not aware of what an act of bravery it was to mention Rush on the list, but rest assured, we're quite a few here who adores the hallowed band. I would definitly recommend Hawkwind's Levitation to You. Personally I'm in a All The World's A Stage period at the moment and it usually preceds a SAHB Rock Drill period... Kenneth OBTVShow: B?linge Byfest with Alex Harvey eating a christmas tree. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- "- Vet du vem som best?mmer p? dataavdelningen ? - De e la databasen !" -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ The Moor Tour Info http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/themoor.htm This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Mar 29 04:33:07 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 10:33:07 +0100 Subject: BOC: Meltzer video Message-ID: The following turned up in my mailbox this morning as part of Forced Exposure's weekly catalog update (probably no use to me 'cos it'll be US format though): --- RICHARD MELTZER: Rhymes With Seltzer: Reads Some Stuff VIDEO (DEC RM). A collection of live clips of author Richard Meltzer reading in various book stores and clubs & his old home in LA, theoretically throughout the decade of the 80s, early 90s maybe. Features material from his seminal "all culture guidebook" of the 70s,Gulcher, as well as his long-awaited poetry book: Tropic Of Nipples. Includes some tantalizing cable-access interview footage with various morons, too. Meltzer's social interactions with consensual reality are not particularly common, so this is a very welcome addition to his shelf. 130 minutes. Supposedly has some Vom footage at the end, but I haven't gotten to it yet! $16.00 --- -Andy -- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mumford at ONLINE.NO Sun Mar 29 09:43:40 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (reset) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 16:43:40 +0200 Subject: OFF: Fwd: Aural Innovations #2 Message-ID: Forwarded from Jerry Kranitz/alt.music.spacerock.... get in touch and check it out! Here to keep the printed medium alive in space....... Christan --------------------------------------------------------------------- Greetings space fan! This is to inform you that Aural Innovations #2 is ready and has been expanded to 20 pages. If you would like to receive the new issue send $2 (U.S./Canada) and $3 (Everywhere Else) to: Jerry Kranitz 1364 W. 7th Ave #B Columbus, Ohio 43212 U.S.A. (Note: Subscriptions received at the price quoted in issue #1 will be honored) Contents Of Aural Innovations Number Two (April '98 - 20 Pages) Notes From Space (Editorial) Spacerock 101: Part 1 (Article) Architectural Metaphor (Interview) Nik Turner: Part 1 (Interview) F/I (Review/Interview) Tribe Of Cro (Review/Interview) The Hole In The Music: Part 2 (Fiction) Reviews: Ozric Tentacles - "Curious Corn" Porcupine Tree - "Coma Divine... Live In Rome" Gong - "Shapeshifter" The Great Imperial Yo Yo - "Chicken Island" Melting Euphoria - "Inside The Gardens Of The Mind" Sky Cries Mary - "Moonbathing On Sleeping Leaves" Quarkspace - "Spacefolds 4" / "Live At Orion" National Steam - "Steamdream 1" / "Steamdream 2" Amon Duul - "Live In Tokyo" Aunt Bee - "Lunar Muzik" ----- Jerry Kranitz (jkranitz at infinet.com) www.infinet.com/~jkranitz/music/music.html (prog page) www.infinet.com/~jkranitz/space/space.html (space page) From eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK Sun Mar 29 13:14:29 1998 From: eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK (eldritch) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:14:29 +0100 Subject: HW: EBS... Message-ID: ;-) I distantly remember someone saying PXR5 was available through EBS.. What's the mastering like, are there any bonus trax? It's entirely possible my memory is telling fibs! ObVid: Live Legends(in a window) Rich From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Sun Mar 29 16:45:04 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 16:45:04 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Cross Message-ID: Hi Folks... I was gone for a bit, and have just come across the posting asking about The Cross (featuring Roger Taylor of the oft-maligned Queen). I have managed to obtain all three albums on CD over the years, the last two of which are quite obscure. The first 'Shove it' is quite unique, an amalgam of heavy guitar riffing, and (gasp) rap-like vocals put forth by the growly-voiced Taylor. I don't know why exactly, but this album really appeals to me. While this album was more like a solo project with the other four guys filling backing roles, the other two albums are both nearly the other way 'round. 'Mad, Bad, and Dangerous to Know' and 'Blue Rock' both feature only two tracks each written by Taylor, whereas 'Shove it' was entirely written by Taylor. And on BR, Taylor doesn't even play any of the instruments, but rather just sings. MBaDtK and BR are also more standard-issue heavy rock, with a high-energy style kind of like more recent Deep Purple (or even moreso like Gillan's solo albums, Naked Thunder & Toolbox). Both albums also contain a few ballad songs, usually the ones written by Taylor or by bassist Peter Noone (not who you think--perhaps a junior??), who writes in a very Taylor-esque style. I couldn't really choose one over the other, being so similar, but both are decent enough to warrant having, if you're a fan of his singing anyway. I don't know if BR is still available anywhere...I only ever saw one copy, the one I bought. I think it was issued in Switzerland of all places, on EMI Electrola, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's long oop, and near impossible to track down. I'd be willing to tape the album for whoever it was that was looking for it (send personal e-mail). Dunno whatever happened to these other four guys...I think either Moss or Macrae worked with Taylor on the Happiness? album though. Keith H. (FAA) Henderson.120 at osu.edu ObCD: Fun In Space - Roger Taylor From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Mar 29 18:41:28 1998 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 15:41:28 PST Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid - A Review Message-ID: Blue Oyster Cult: Heaven Forbid. 1998 CMC International Records A Review ******************** The Old Man sat in his one good chair and watched the dust covered second hand of his wall clock follow it's well worn track in a race against nothing. Around and around it went as he stared mesmerized by its predictable course. He thought about getting out of that chair and going into the "out there", but the dullness in his mind kept his energy levels from gaining any momentum, and he sat and stared. The "Device" at his side that once buzzed and twitched with excitement had long since fallen silent, and the layer of time that had settled over this once amazing machine was deep enough to muffle any words of hope it spoke to The Old Man. He heard the footsteps on the stairs and closed his eyes. This would be another attempt for them, he thought. They would bring him their latest findings from the "out there", things they would be wild-eyed about and their voices full of promise and excitement. Once again the Old Man would turn them away. For ten long years now he had listened to their ravings, and for ten long years he had sent them back up and into the "out there". Don't come back until it is REAL, he would tell them. But still they tried, and now they were coming again. It was all so predictable. The Old Man waited until the Older Man was right beside the chair before he opened his eyes. Without turning his gaze from the clock he said in a voice that sounded like it didn't want to hear itself, "Leave it and go". The Older Man moved closer to the chair and put a hand on the Old Man's shoulder. "Not this time, old friend", he said, "this time it is different. This time it is REAL." "Real?", said the Old Man, "You and others have come before claiming it to be real. What you brought me each time was a mere drop to keep me hanging on for a few more years, to keep me waiting in this chair like a prisoner. You bring enough to keep me alive, but never enough to let me LIVE." "The last few visits gave you no hope?", said the Older Man. "Was it not enough for you to know that they were still alive, and that they were trying to make it real again?" The Old Man closed his eyes again. "They were about as alive as I am now", he said, "Do I look so alive to you?" "Old Man, look at me.", said the Older Man. The Old Man opened his eyes slowly and turned his head. Even with the dull gray light that barely illuminated the room he could see that the face of the Older Man had changed. Gone were the deep recesses in the skin, the painted folds of time that told the story of the great waiting that the Ancient Ones had endured. The deathly hue was replaced by a youthful glow, and the Older Man's eyes danced merrily with a carefree innocence. "It is REAL this time.", he said with a conviction that the Old Man simply could not ignore. The Old Man's eyes widened at what he read on his friend's face. "But how can this be?", he demanded. "The Brothers are gone, it can never be what you suggest without them." The corners of the Older Man's mouth lifted into an impish grin as he reached into the many hidden folds of his long coat. He pulled out a sealed disk and held it up for the Old Man to see. The Old Man stared at the cover with a look of revulsion across his face. The Older Man said, "The picture says it all my friend. Yes, The Brother's have moved on, and it looks doubtful that they will ever return. But you see that it does NOT matter anymore. They are disfigured from the split, and they wear the scars from that painful separation. But no longer will they hide in the recesses of darkness. Never again will they hide their twisted faces from their Followers. As marred as they may be, they walk proudly among us again. And they show no fear!" The Old Man's fingers reached out hesitantly to the disk, as if with a mere touch of his withered hand it would all vanish and he would wake soaked with sweat in his one good chair, as had happened in the past more times than he could count on his gnarled fingers. He took the disk in his trembling hands and turned it over. "Ten new offerings I see, one for each year I have waited.", he commented, "Yet what is this eleventh offering that bears a name from The Ancient's past?" "A new twist on an old theme", The Older Man said with a playful laugh, "which is surely what the ten new offerings are in their own right." The Old Man could not take his eyes from the list that was laid out on the disk's cover. He let the titles play with his mind and his emotions, and the dullness began to fade from behind his eyes as he began throwing questions of hope at the Older Man. "What of the Shaded One?", he said, "He was beginning to sound as weak as I feel, surely he has followed in the footsteps of The Brothers by now." The Older Man stated with confidence, "The Shaded One will not be silenced again." As the Old Man began to open the disk slowly, almost afraid to look at what lie inside, he asked, "And the Smoking One, he too is still among us?" The Older Man's smile faded, but only a slight bit that the Old Man barely noticed. "The Smoking One is back, yes.", he said, "but strangely silent. There are hopes that in future offerings he will be more outspoken. But yes, he is still with us." The Old Man swallowed and looked back up into his friends youthful eyes. "Lord Dharma?", he whispered reverently, "What of Lord Dharma?" The Older Man threw his head back with a swift and sudden motion that disrupted the silence of the room and blew out a hearty laugh that startled the old man and nearly altered the well worn course of the second hand on the old clock. The Old man knew then that his prayers had been answered and that the aching fear in his heart could start to heal. For the first time in ten years he started to smile. "Lord Dharma has NEVER been more powerful!", The Older Man laughed, "He has given hope to all of us! He, along with The Shaded One and The Smoking One, and two new members in our cause, have saved us all!!" It was when the Older Man's laughter finally stopped and the Old Man noticed that his eyes were wet that the Older Man placed his hand gently on his friends shoulder and said, "Use the Device old friend, it has been silent too long." The Older Man turned without saying another word and left the Old Man in his one good chair. The Old Man never heard his friend on the stairs as he left, never heard the footsteps of someone leaving that for ten years had hammered into his mind that once again the Ancient Ones had tried and failed. He removed the disk from it's case and as he held it up saw his reflection in the smooth mirrored surface of it. What he saw there made him chuckle in his throat as he bent to blow the layers of dust off the Device. When the disk was fully inserted into the Device, the Old Man took a deep breath, and with a trembling hand switched on the Device. The moment the Old Man heard the sound coming from the Device he knew that this time it was Real. Rising from the chair on hinges and joints that screamed with a decade of stillness, the Old Man walked slowly to the door. He stood and looked at the stairs for a brief moment, and suddenly with a sound in his throat that sounded like a madman's cries on a still night, he ran up the stairs three at a time. By the time he reached the top of the stairs, the brittle wings that he once kept hidden and folded carefully under his long coat had torn through their concealing fabric and felt the full light of day hit them. His heart still racing, the Old Man took to the air and was gone, never seeing the Others that had begun to emerge from their prisons and gather around at the sound that poured forth from the Device. This time it was Real. Robert "Torgo" Sedler Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** Torgo at norwich.net DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos Palace: Galaxystation.com PORT-9998 *********************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM Mon Mar 30 00:00:09 1998 From: blyoung at BIGFOOT.COM (Bryan Young) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 21:00:09 -0800 Subject: HW: Distant Horizons for sale Message-ID: I've got a friend who's got two copies of "Distant Horizons" -- brand new and still sealed. And he's selling them up here in Canada, so that means your price in US dollars is quite a bit less. $28 Canadian includes shipping worldwide. If you check out the exchange rate at http://www.oanda.com/cgi-bin/ncc then you'll find that $19.75 (US) is all that it takes. If you're interested, please email me privately. It's really an awesome album (my opinion) and I think that this is a pretty good price. Thanks. Bryan -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Young CANADA blyoung AT bigfoot DOT com ----------------------------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/Area51/7118 SF Reading Club http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6568 Hawkwind http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/6878 IFHL-FLA ----------------------------------------------------------- "20 minutes goes by pretty fast when you're on a breakaway" From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Mar 30 08:49:27 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:49:27 -0500 Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid - A Review Message-ID: Torgo: What can I say my friend? That was a most cool "review"!!! John From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Mon Mar 30 09:21:13 1998 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:21:13 +0100 Subject: BOC: 3 June, London Astoria !! In-Reply-To: <1199997.3100010879@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Looks like BOC will be playing the London Astoria on 3 June! > > Cheers, > Carl Whee! Does that mean the album is (or will be) out in the UK? - Mike Godwin From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Mar 30 09:30:47 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:30:47 -0800 Subject: Off: Fresh Meat! Message-ID: Ah fresh meat... >Hi, I found this list only a couple of days ago when I was looking for information about BOC's upcoming HF release. I have a couple of observations to make which I don't intend to get flamed for, but rather hope will spark good conversation in the list. Hello Miles >1) Who is Hawkwind, is there a connection between HW and BOC?, Is there a musical similarity?, in other words, as a BOC fanatic, would I probably like HW? As I said, please don't be offended by my ignorance in this question. I am actually quite travelled in the realms of music, including obscure groups and labels and simply have never run across HW nor have any of my friends who like similar music told me of them. Some have answered this question for you and thrown out some recommendations. I am not ultra big into HW but they are a damn fine band with some strange similiarities to BOC careeer wise. My recommendation for ya is Chronicles of the Black Sword (Live) There are two versions of this but I don't think you can go wrong with either. Another would be Live 79. This is the rocking version of HW. >2) I am a LONG time subscriber to the "Rush NMS" mailing list/listserv. Another Rush fan? O'boy the sides are getting even. Uh don't take it to heart when some on this list bash Rush while others defend them with their lives. A damn strange phenomenon on this list. Watch Theo especially, we keep him on medication to minimize the Rush wars. I like Rush but not well enough to be a soldier in these battles. >Oh well, good feedback, even if it doesn't agree with me is welcome. I'm only making an observation. Well please don't start too many Rush threads or Queen for that matter. Both take heat and get promoted here. Now a couple of things you should know... John Swartz maintains the BOC FAQ which is an excellent source of material on the band. He also maintains similar info on the Brain Surgeons, Al Bouchard's new band. BTW Al hangs out here whenever he can. Nicest guy you'd ever meet. Bernhard P., who posts every know and then, is one of many folks that could tell you a lot about HW. If you get snagged (made a fan of this band) you have many resources on this line. Some major HW fans here who know just about everything. Uh we still have no explanation for "Pops Shipley". Anything bad happen to you while your here just blame it on Steve Swann (list founder). Everyone blames Steve for everything around here. L8er Ghost in the Ruins From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Mar 30 09:37:09 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:37:09 -0800 Subject: More HF Message-ID: Uh some random quickies. Great review Torgo, only you can write one of these things and never mention the album. The old man was familiar though, Swartz by chance? 8>) Harvest Moon will be the defining BOC classic from this one, is there any doubt. Only PUD keeps this from being a perfect album. I just don't get motivated for PUD. Hammer Back will be a fun song to hear live. HF is still stuck in the player and will remain so at least until April 7th when Sav's Wake of Magellan is supposed to be released state side. HF will still get daily play though. Outta here Ghost in the Ruins "I everything triple ripple vanilla road monkey." Uncle Creamy From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Mar 30 10:01:41 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:01:41 +0100 Subject: BOC: 3 June, London Astoria !! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Whee! Does that mean the album is (or will be) out in the UK? Looks like it's out next Monday all over Europe (here and France at least). Still might get my US mail-order one first though! :) I didn't get as far as the Astoria on Saturday, btw - I've not seen it in any listings yet, but I haven't really been looking. Those nice Ipswich lads, Cradle of Filth, are there on the 5th though. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Imagine911 at AOL.COM Mon Mar 30 10:47:45 1998 From: Imagine911 at AOL.COM (Imagine911) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:47:45 EST Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid - A Review Message-ID: Torgo....I love your story. Would you mind if I placed it in the BOC folder on AOL? I'm sure they'd all love to read it there.....David From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Mar 30 10:53:50 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:53:50 -0500 Subject: Off: Fresh Meat! Message-ID: >John Swartz maintains the BOC FAQ which is an excellent source of material on the band. He also maintains similar info on the Brain Surgeons, Al Bouchard's new band. Thanks for the plug AB. The info I maintain on the Brain Surgeons isn't quite the same as the BOC FAQ (that's Frequently Asked Questions about Blue Oyster Cult). The BOC FAQ was put together with the help of many folks, an represents almost a reference guide on BOC stuff (and, I don't claim to have been the source of all of the information contained within it - far from it). My tBS (the Brain Surgeons) info, on the otherhand, is a website that is much more done by myself, and definitely fan-based and represents the rantings of this maniacal tBS fan. Anyway, you can check out all of these things at my BOC and tBS webpages: http://members.aol.com/bocfaqman http://members.aol.com/tbspostop Enjoy! John From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Mar 30 08:33:26 1998 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Sonique) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:33:26 +1000 Subject: HW: EBS... Message-ID: On 29 Mar 98 at 19:14, eldritch wrote: > ;-) > > I distantly remember someone saying PXR5 was available through EBS.. > > What's the mastering like, are there any bonus trax? > > It's entirely possible my memory is telling fibs! It's not your memory you have to worry about here ;^) Sonique (on an Asian foray) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Mar 30 11:06:25 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:06:25 -0500 Subject: More HF Message-ID: >Great review Torgo, only you can write one of these things and never mention the album. The old man was familiar though, Swartz by chance? Ah, shit - there goes my coffee! LMAO! I certainly had identified with that old geezer before March 24th... >Harvest Moon will be the defining BOC classic from this one, is there any doubt. Oh, there's lotsa good stuff on this one. But, in terms of that long- standing "BOC-ish" sound, I think this could be the BOC song our kids will tell their kids about... >Only PUD keeps this from being a perfect album. Not the best track on there, but I still like it. >Hammer Back will be a fun song to hear live. Bloom asked the AOLers last week what 2 songs from HF that weren't currently being played (SYIB, Harvest Moon, Live for Me, and In Thee) the fans wanted added to the set. No tally has been taken that I \ know of, but it would appear from the online responses that the 2 top vote getters would be Hammer Back and Damaged. Ass-kickin' rock-n-roll for sure! >HF is still stuck in the player and will remain so at least until April 7th when Sav's Wake of Magellan is supposed to be released state side. HF will still get daily play though. I bought an import copy of Wake of Magellan. HF will probably be played much more than WoM after you spin it once or twice. Now, this is only the second Savatage CD I own (the other being the most-excellent Dead Winter Dead), but I wasn't impressed. Nowhere near as memorable as DWD. But, perhaps being a bigger Savatage fan, you'll like it. Warning to ya - if they put the same liner notes in there as the European version, you'll be hardpressed to get them back into the jewel case. John From mlooney at IONET.NET Mon Mar 30 11:06:30 1998 From: mlooney at IONET.NET (Mike Looney - ionet) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:06:30 -0600 Subject: More HF Message-ID: BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: > Uh some random quickies. > > Great review Torgo, only you can write one of these things and never > mention the album. The old man was familiar though, Swartz by chance? > > 8>) > > Harvest Moon will be the defining BOC classic from this one, is there > any doubt. > > Only PUD keeps this from being a perfect album. I just don't get > motivated for PUD. > > Hammer Back will be a fun song to hear live. > As it happens, I agree, execpt that I would reverse PUD and Hammer Back. I'm not as found of it as the rest of the CD. > HF is still stuck in the player and will remain so at least until > April > 7th when Sav's Wake of Magellan is supposed to be released state side. > > HF will still get daily play though. > Ditto to include waiting for WofM , execpt that my wife takes it out to play "Diablo" when I am at work. -- Sillyness is the last refuse of the doomed. P. Opus http://www.spellbooksoftware.com -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GAT d-- s:- a38 US++ P+ L+ E W+++ N++ K++ w++ O- M- V-- PS+ PE++ Y PGP t++ 5 X R+++ tv+ b++++ DI+++ D G+ e+ h--- r+++ y+++(**) ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK Mon Mar 30 11:57:47 1998 From: eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK (eldritch) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:57:47 +0100 Subject: HW: EBS... Message-ID: Smirk.... Just what are you implying ;-) oK SO PxR5 isn't necesarily the best album....it's the only one I've never owned at all though.. Admit it....'It is the business...' is a far worse LP than PXR5.... Rich(unlapsing in velvet) From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Mar 30 16:17:34 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:17:34 -0600 Subject: Question for FAQMAN Message-ID: Dear Faqman: I am in the process of restoring all of my lost bookmarks. Wandering through CDNow (picked up Ty Tabor's Moonflower Lane and advanced ordered Savatage's Wake of Magellan total $19 with $10 coupon - Shamless promotional plug for CDNow), I saw there is an import version of Imaginos. Is there anything special about this version? I would look at the FAQ however as noted just reassembling my bookmarks. Can you list your site and the FAQ site. Lost in Space and time... Ghost in the Ruins From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Mon Mar 30 16:48:05 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:48:05 -0500 Subject: HW: EBS... Message-ID: i dont think he meant that. i think what he meant was that u dont have to worry about your mem fibbing. it was said by someone, but i dont think it ever came out, and now with ebs up for sale, who knows. also, while i agree, pxr5 is better than ITBOTFTBD, i dont think the term "worse" applies at all. i think they are both excellent in their own ways. rj eldritch wrote: > Smirk.... > > Just what are you implying ;-) > > oK SO PxR5 isn't necesarily the best album....it's the only one I've > never owned at all though.. > > Admit it....'It is the business...' is a far worse LP than PXR5.... > > Rich(unlapsing in velvet) From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Mar 30 17:00:15 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:00:15 -0500 Subject: Question for FAQMAN Message-ID: >I saw there is an import version of Imaginos. Is there anything special about this version? I would look at the FAQ however as noted just reassembling my bookmarks. Can you list your site and the FAQ site. Nothing special about the import version of Imaginos that I know of - other than it might be the easiest way to get it as it isn't in print in the US anymore. My website, where the FAQ can also be found - http://members.aol.com/bocfaqman John From lestewm at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Mon Mar 30 17:13:44 1998 From: lestewm at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Miles Lester) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:13:44 -0600 Subject: Followup to New on the List Message-ID: Been away for the weekend and thus, I start things off with one message, then disappear.... :-) ........... I wanted to thank all of you who responded, in fact all were tactful nice welcoming messages. I think I will refrain from any RUSH comparisons in this group, it does seem to draw battle lines, though I think the lines are not as clear as some of you would like to think. Needless to say, I do enjoy Rush, but will respect the sanctity (sp?) of this group topic. On HW, I think I will have to track down a few CD's and listen for myself. Thanks for some of the suggestions that have been offered. On HF, a few comments. 1) I honestly do "not" like the cover art. I find it to not be in following with BOC's previous artwork or even character. I brought my CD into the office so I could listen to it all day, and every single co-worker who came in, looked at the CD, grimaced and always formed a negative opinion before listening to anything on the album. Harvest Moon, however usually turned them around :-). 2) Of course, Harvest Moon is the epitomy of BOC on this CD. It speaks to me directly, reminds me what has always been about BOC that I liked, and frankly, is fast becoming my favorite BOC song. 3) I'll never be able to oogle over another man's wife anymore without now thinking to myself "I'd like to see you in black" think about it............. what an opening line! (I'm terrible, married and have 4 kids but I can still dream, no!) 4) If I am to be honest in a BOC group, I think I would point out that I find HF to be an excellent work, but one that only confirms that I am possibly more a fan of Buck Dharma, than BOC. Everywhere I turn, it is his influence that I see, or enjoy/respect. This statement is not at all intended to belittle or lessen the influence and respect I have for Eric, Allen, Al or Joe or any other BOC members in the past, present, or future, only to affirm the esteem that I hold Buck in! Oh well, have a good day, see you later........... From eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK Mon Mar 30 17:35:54 1998 From: eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK (eldritch) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:35:54 +0100 Subject: HW: EBS... Message-ID: I suppose 'It is the business...' and PXR5 have the redeeming feature that they're not RUSH ;-) On second thoughts 'It is the business...' has one more redeeming feature....It's not 'Love in Space' ObCD: Hex Files - The Goth Bible Vol. 1 From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Mar 30 16:54:18 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:54:18 EDT Subject: Followup to New on the List In-Reply-To: <009101bd5c29$1afaa3d0$6e55cc83@rubber.duc.auburn.edu> Message-ID: > From: Miles Lester > > I think I will refrain from any RUSH comparisons in this group, it does seem > to draw battle lines, though I think the lines are not as clear as some of > you would like to think. Needless to say, I do enjoy Rush, but will respect > the sanctity (sp?) of this group topic. > Oh, now, don't tease us! Come on with your Rush praise. Hey, I actually saw Rush open for BOC back in the good old days... > On HW, I think I will have to track down a few CD's and listen for myself. > Thanks for some of the suggestions that have been offered. > > On HF, a few comments. > > 1) I honestly do "not" like the cover art. I find it to not be in following > with BOC's previous artwork or even character. I brought my CD into the > office so I could listen to it all day, and every single co-worker who came > in, looked at the CD, grimaced and always formed a negative opinion before >From the thumbnail shot at CMC's website, I formed a snap judgement against it too. Seeing it in the store, it looked a helluva lot better! As an old-time BOC fan, the cover doesn't really bother me much. I actually like the inner picture as well. Not Gawlik, but not all that bad... > listening to anything on the album. Harvest Moon, however usually turned > them around :-). > > 2) Of course, Harvest Moon is the epitomy of BOC on this CD. It speaks to me > directly, reminds me what has always been about BOC that I liked, and > frankly, is fast becoming my favorite BOC song. > This song really blows me away as well. I see 3 instant BOC classics on this record: SYiB, HM, and LFM. The rest is pretty impressive too. SYiB proves that EB is back! In a major way. All of us hand wringers should go out and get ourselves bitch-slapped! Some people have niggled over the lyrics, but I think they're classic BOC subject matter. In fact, I'm pretty pleased with Shirley's lyrics overall...HM, what can you say? The lyrics are great, and show the maturity and road-weariness that must tug at BD's psyche all the time. This time the autumn wind is doing the reaping, but the effect's the same. LFM, again, a BD tear-jerker a la that tune from Flat Out whose name escapes... > 3) I'll never be able to oogle over another man's wife anymore without now > thinking to myself "I'd like to see you in black" think about > it............. what an opening line! (I'm terrible, married and have 4 kids > but I can still dream, no!) > But not a new topic to BOC. 'Veins' comes to mind. But that opening line IS great. Really grabs ya, and lets ya know this is a BOC record after all, the tender ballads notwithstanding... > 4) If I am to be honest in a BOC group, I think I would point out that I > find HF to be an excellent work, but one that only confirms that I am > possibly more a fan of Buck Dharma, than BOC. Everywhere I turn, it is his Well, on first listen, I thought: 'hmm...a BD solo album, this...'Not so sure about that assessment now, but I'm sure glad BD did the production on this one. The guitars are beautiful. Only gripe is a lack of keys. Are they there, just mixed down, or non-existent? > influence that I see, or enjoy/respect. This statement is not at all > intended to belittle or lessen the influence and respect I have for Eric, > Allen, Al or Joe or any other BOC members in the past, present, or future, > only to affirm the esteem that I hold Buck in! > Well, dude, BD's always been in a world alone. Others may know more scales or play more notes, but Like Jeff Beck, BD knows what do do with the notes he plays, and what to say whith them. The feeling, and intensity he brings to his playing makes him one of the all-time greats... Personally, I love the album. It's different, sure, but we have to realize that BOC's never gonna make another ST. Hell, none of the albums after ST measures up to that standard [nor has anything anyone else has done since then, IMHO] It's unfair to judge them against their own masterpiece, esp. given that Joe and Al aren't along anymore. But reallay, even with Joe and Al, they never recaptured ST, and we shouldn't blame tham. They've been at it 25 years, and they should be allowed a little indulgence by as, and a bit of breathing room to branch out and explore other things. The lyrics may not be SP, but they're pretty damned good [of course the best song, HM didn't have any outside help, like DFtR] and light years removed from CN. Give them credit for hooking up with a quality lyricist this time. Musically, the album's solid, and BD's production is damned sure of itself. This album is actually way better than I'd dreamed it would be. Did somebody say 'where's the next album?' theo From kg at THING.DE Mon Mar 30 18:13:43 1998 From: kg at THING.DE (stalker) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 01:13:43 +0200 Subject: hawkwind.com = blueberryhill.com now??? huh? Message-ID: just tried once more if www.hawkwind.com is back online - but got a VERY strange result: +++++++++++ This is our way of saying, "Welcome!" hawkwind.com BHCom welcomes you to your new Virtual Server! BHCom is committed to bring you the best service and response available. To help you get acquainted with your virtual server, BHCom has prepared a help page just for you! BHCom encourages you to visit this help page and add it to your list of bookmarks/favorites in your web browser. Enjoy! Any questions can be E-mailed to support at bluehill.com. +++++++ "blueberry hill" looks like some company that gives away domain-names or so.... anyone heard of them? or heard any news about the "original" hawkwind.com pages? best - k. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Mar 30 18:34:53 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 18:34:53 -0500 Subject: hawkwind.com = blueberryhill.com now??? huh? In-Reply-To: <35202727.D2FDFCCB@thing.de> Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, stalker wrote: > just tried once more if www.hawkwind.com is back online - but got > a VERY strange result: > > +++++++++++ > > This is our way of saying, "Welcome!" > > hawkwind.com > > BHCom welcomes you to your new Virtual Server! BHCom is committed to > bring you the best service and response available. To help you get > acquainted with your virtual server, BHCom has prepared a help page just > for you! BHCom encourages you to visit this help page and add it to your > list of bookmarks/favorites in your web browser. Enjoy! > > Any questions can be E-mailed to support at bluehill.com. > > +++++++ > > "blueberry hill" looks like some company that gives away domain-names or > so.... > anyone heard of them? or heard any news about the "original" > hawkwind.com pages? Blueberry Hill have always hosted the www.hawkwind.com pages, at least they've been the technical contact for the hawkwind.com domain in the InterNIC database. I surmise that Dale has simply removed his WWW pages (maybe as a result of some flap with Doug Smith??), and so Blueberry Hill have merely pointed www.hawkwind.com at a default set of pages that they provide to all the customers they serve. Actonium Doug ought to get Blueberry Hill to put in a redirect for the old www.hawkwind.com pages to those done by Kris Tait, etc. That (anything) would be better than the amateurish, content-free de facto pages they have right now. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Blue Oyster Cult, _Heaven Forbid_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From makmorn at QIS.NET Mon Mar 30 18:42:55 1998 From: makmorn at QIS.NET (Daniel Ligon) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 18:42:55 -0500 Subject: Followup to New on the List In-Reply-To: <1F3A0A66155@library.syr.edu>; from Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 on Mon, Mar 30, 1998 at 05:54:18PM -0500 Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 30, 1998 at 05:54:18PM -0500, Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 said: > SYiB proves > that EB is back! In a major way. All of us hand wringers should go > out and get ourselves bitch-slapped! Some people have niggled over > the lyrics, but I think they're classic BOC subject matter. In fact, > I'm pretty pleased with Shirley's lyrics overall... Oh, please... The first and third verses are fine (and that first line is a killer), but the other verses are horrible. Her husband is a wife-beater, so now we have the justification for killing him. We don't need no stinkin' justification! We'll kill him because we want his wife! *That*'s reason enough. The "old" BOC would left in the ambiguity. And that last verse, running away to Greece and drinking Ouzo... YAK! > HM, what can you > say? The lyrics are great, Except when Buck used "... daughter disappeared from sight" to rhyme "go out at night". But still the best song on the album. Absolutely haunting. > and show the maturity and road-weariness > that must tug at BD's psyche all the time. This time the autumn wind > is doing the reaping, but the effect's the same. LFM, again, a BD > tear-jerker a la that tune from Flat Out whose name escapes... -- Daniel Ligon makmorn at qis.net But I'm a Howler Monkey Moreau's half and half man From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Mon Mar 30 19:59:36 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Nebosuke) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 19:59:36 EST Subject: BOC: La Verne and Shirley and Buck Message-ID: I?d like to state at the beginning of this that I love Heaven Forbid. I think it?s got the most consistently excellent guitarwork ever on a BOC album, which means to me that I think it?s got the most consistently excellent guitarwork ever on a hard-rock album. As for the songs and how this fits into the overall BOC oeuvre: this is still way too new and I?m still way too close to the first blast of it to have any perspective. Regarding the increased prominence of Buck Dharma: Al and Joe have been gone a long time, and their replacements don?t seem to be songwriters. Even if they are - and in the case of Bobby R., if he?s even in it for the long haul - they don?t exactly have seniority, so it was no surprise not to see much by them. Seeing nothing new from Allan Lanier didn?t surprise me; if he was ever particularly prolific, it didn?t translate into his songs making the albums. As for Eric Bloom?well, I?m not one of the people who was crushed (or surprised) when his late-80?s solo album never materialized. (I?m one of the people who took "Eyes on Fire" and "Feel the Thunder" as twin slaps). I would hate to see either of these guys go: Bloom?s voice is good on the stuff he sings and Lanier contributes some very good guitar and keyboards. But it?s clear who the prime mover behind this band is, and has been for some time. As John Swartz mentioned, on AOL a few nights ago E. Bloom asked for a vote on what "other" songs from HF should be incorporated into the live show. (SYIB, Harvest Moon and Live for Me are currently in the set -- In Thee, too, if we?re counting that). I cast my vote for "Hammer Back" and "Damaged", and this seems to have been the overall consensus, although everything got votes. (As for me, "Power?", "Still Burnin?" and "Cold Gray Light of Dawn" have all been featured enough in the past that I?ve heard them live several times each, so I didn?t consider them). It was interesting to read (in some mail I've misplaced, sorry) that someone liked "Hammer Back"'s lyrics but not guitar, since my feelings are just the opposite. I look at this song as a fairly thin idea (lyrically and structurally) that nonetheless provides an ace framework for BD to hang some fine soloing off of. (Actually the riff underlying the verses reminds me of the "You Really Got Me"-fueled guitar break in the middle of the old BOC live cover of "Soul Kitchen"). I haven?t yet sorted out my feelings about John Shirley?s lyrics in general, or gotten HF as a whole into any kind of perspective - not surprisingly, since my assessments of the older stuff changes periodically. But I?m finding some of his stuff irritating because he?s got lines that I like a lot, followed by lines that I don?t like at all?I find some of this stuff maddeningly inconsistent. >From "Hammer Back": "Everybody else has got one Packing high-caliber heat If you don?t want to be dancing You don?t dare miss the beat" What images are supposed to be conjured up by "dancing"? Death spasms? Or are we supposed to think that the well-armed "everybody else" will be shooting at our feet to make us dance? "Dance!?Dance!" That old wheeze isn?t even from westerns, it?s from cartoon parodies of westerns, and hardly seems a proper fit with the steely urban menace that Shirley is purveying. And "missing the beat" = "not keeping the hammer back"? Well I guess so, but I think those lines just thud, double "don?t"s and all. That "quick carjack"?why?s it quick? Because a syllable was needed there, I suspect; few people think of carjacks as being leisurely transactions. I do like "Secrets wound around their bones", though. Regarding the "repetitiveness" of J. Shirley?s lyrics: I think there is some truth to this, however I also believe it is BD?s song structures that exacerbate the problem on HF. Remember "Dragon Lady"? "Still Burnin?" is , to me, the prime offender in this regard and Shirley had nothing to do with it. And I do not believe that lyrics by JS specifically called for "4X repeats", or whatever?even if they did this could have been disregarded. I think BD?s instincts to keep the repetition of the chorus to a minimum in "Live For Me" was exactly the right decision to make, in exactly the right song. This song sank its hooks (double-meaning intentional) into me when I first heard it live two times in February, a week apart. My sense from the live shows was that it was unusually structured, it turns out it?s just a lot less over-emphatic than some of the choruses here. I think repetition would have lessened the effectiveness of the chorus considerably. I?ve been surprised by the hostility towards the lyrics in "SYIB". I think it?s a very good idea myself, and my main problem with it is the same one I have with a bunch of his stuff here?there are lines that I think took some time to get right (or that he was lucky and got right fast), and other ones that look slapped on to fill out the metric requirements of the line. I don?t know what to make of "We?ll drink ouzo in our cup", if that?s in fact what it is?from the live tape of this song I had thought it was "?in our caique", which at least made some sense given the geography. "We?ll drink in our cup" is awkward, sounding almost like it was translated from another language. And there?s already been a coffee cup, isn?t this too many cups for one short lyric? While I?m on the subject- "I saw the marks on your hands I saw the blood on your coffee cup?" Why aren?t the marks on HIS (the husband?s) hands? They are on the old live tape I?ve got, and they are in Shirley?s original lyric (don?t have the lyric book with me and I can?t remember how it appears there). OK, if she?s being beaten by this guy she might have some marks on her hands as well, but isn?t this is kind of muddying the imagery? I can only assume this was a mistake by E. Bloom. As has been pointed out, there is a blown line in "In Thee" too. ("The dice roll much too easily"?huh?). Why neither got fixed, I dunno?of course the album was such a rush job it?s understandable that some stuff slipped by? I believe this is the first album that does not mention Donald Roeser in the credits, just Buck Dharma. I wonder whether he had a premonition that CMC was going to butcher the spelling of his last name?given the typos in the booklet, maybe his first name too? -Chris Baker From fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU Mon Mar 30 22:52:09 1998 From: fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU (William Fuller) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 18:52:09 -0900 Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My review of Heaven Forbid. Cover art: Horrid. Awful. Low budget. Completely pointless. Even the text is the wrong color for the background. Yuck! Album covers matter in marketing. People notice new albums and pick them up, especially from bands they have never heard of before. The only people who can get away with bland, lame album art are already famous and people buy the album because they know about it ahead of time. Even if you have a dynamite sounding record, people will never know if they don't buy it. Marketing makes a difference! Even a photo of the band on stage, far away, would have been better. Music: On the whole, I like it. I will probably listen to it many times. It's hard rockin', quirky, and technically well played. I encourage anyone to buy it. However to me it sounds little like Blue Oyster Cult. From this point of view, I am disappointed. Where is is the mystery? Where is the doom and gloom? Where are the sci-fi/fantasy lyrics? Where are the epic story-songs? Even Club Ninja, for all its faults, was truer to the Blue Oyster Cult vision. At least it took some chances and had some character. But where Club Ninja was too clever for its own good, Heaven Forbid is too boneheaded for its own good. Although it is obviously not fair to compare Heaven Forbid to Imaginos, such a comparision is inevitable considering it was the last original BOC studio album. Where Imaginos is lyrically rich, Heaven Forbid is lyrically sparse. They try to cover up this deficit through repetition. Listening to this album I am struck by just how much the band lost with the departure of the Bouchard brothers. I listen the Brain Surgeons and I hear all sorts of BOC type riffs and lyrics, and then I listen to Heaven Forbid and I admire Buck's abilities, but I feel something is missing. Not even Buck can fill all the space with good music. First of all, is it my imagination or was this album recorded much louder than other albums? Black Sabbath used to do this in the 1990s and it really pissed me off when I made mixed tapes, because all of a sudden one song was noticably louder than the others. See You in Black begins auspiciously with some aggressive soloing, then settles into a repetitive riff which in itself is not a problem but when combined with the half-shouted vocals "I'd like to see you in black" over and over and over, the song wears out its welcome far sooner than it should. Otherwise, lyrically a great idea for a song, I wish they had done more with it. If they had only removed half of the "I'd like to see you in black"s it would have improved the song. It took me 5 minutes to think up some better lyrics they could have replaced some of them with, like "Let's you and I make this pact" or "He ain't never coming back" or "we'll get that bastard back"... Ok those aren't the greatest but it took me 5 minutes. They have had 10 years! Harvest Moon is a good Buck Dharma song, pleasantly spooky but unfortunately not very exciting. It is a good choice for second song. Lyrically, it has depth and tells story. But what a boring story it is. Only in the last third of the song do we hear about anything unusual: a monster or evil force is killing the children of the village. Then the song ends before this idea can be developed. Repetition rears its ugly head here as it did in the first song, and I found myself weary of hearing the words "Harvest Moon" sung over and over. Just remove half of those and the song would improve. Lots of good guitar work in the middle, though. Power Underneath Despair was the first song which actually sounded like BOC to me. Musically it is rockin' with signature BOC-style riffs, time changes, and chorus vocals. It reminds me of the older-style BOC sound. The lyrics are unfortunately again rather mundane (a guy gets out of prison and vows revenge against those who put him there... yawn) and the words "the power underneath despair" are sung over and over. X-Ray Eyes is a happy bouncy song, with sci-fi (finally!) lyrics, good singing and playing. Only two real complaints: 1) the first words "In the 50s Ray Miland pierced the skies" are extremely cheesy and stoopid, like we couldn't figure it out on our own? We have to be told "This is about a movie with actor Ray Miland, kids..." Lyrically, it creates that extra layer of distance between the audience and the song, by telling them it is a song about a movie. Unecessary and stoopid. 2) If you don't enjoy hearing the words "X-ray eyes" sung over and over and over, you might not like this song. And finally, both Bauhaus and Tumor Circus have already done better songs called "The Man with X-Ray Eyes" about the same movie. Hammer Back is a solid, hard riff of a song which I liked instantly. In fact, in some ways it is my favorite on the album. Unfortunately, the lyrics are awful. The first stanza is good but after that the song degenerates into talk of carjacking and 7-11s. But musically I like it. It's aggressive and has attitude, like Lips in the Hills. Damaged begins well with some minimal guitar and vocals, then is soon chugging along at a brisk pace with some signature Buck playing. This one will get people dancing. The lyrics (drug abuse) are thoughtful and seem to fit in with the BOC vision. All in all a winning song. The speed up at the end is classic and adds to the charm of the song. Cold Grey Light of Dawn is a competent supporting song, a ballad about a man who still feels guilty for a murder he committed years ago. On the whole it is a good song but the rhythm section is slow, simple, and boring. However, it does qualify as a doom and gloom song (though just barely). Real World is an accousticly driven song about rains of frogs and fish and weird happenings. It has the typical Buck Dharma soft rock feel to it. While pleasant, it is a poor successor to such great paranormal songs as ETI, The Vigil, and Take Me Away. It is too relaxed and needs more tension and a hard edge to it. I would have done something sounding more like "Don't Turn your Back" and put it as the last track on the album. Live for Me is a sad song, lyrically the strongest on the album. It's definitely doom and gloom in the classic BOC style, but tempered with a typical Buck Dharma uplifting message. It reminds me of his song Your Loving Heart. Musically it sounds like something from Club Ninja or Revolution by Night. It's a good song, although at times Buck seems to be trying to carry too much of the the music himself. Still Burning begins with a funky guitar riff. The song is layered and fairly complex, with typical BOC chorus vocals. But it's also rather boring, especially lyrically. I find myself wanting to like it, and failing. In Thee is a very cool accoustic version with what sounds like the whole band singing. However, I do question why it was put on the CD. Considering that minus In Thee, Heaven Forbid clock in at 41:23, it begins to seem like padding. But still, it is a cute way to end the album. This record would be considered great work by any unknown band. As a BOC record, it falls short of their best material. The constant repetition was annoying the very first time I heard the music, a bad sign. The sound of Heaven Forbid relies less on synthesizers than the later BOC albums did, and this is a welcome trend. I am disappointed with most (certainly not all) of the lyrics. But on the whole I still like it. I recommend it to any fan of Blue Oyster Cult. Do I recommend it to first time BOC listeners? No. In my opinion it is neither their best work nor is it typical. In my opinion better introductory album would be Imaginos, Fire of Unknown Origin, or Workshop of the Telescopes. -- William Fuller fswof at uaf.edu ICQ 1530842 http://members.tripod.com/~Zomb From talger at PIPELINE.COM Tue Mar 31 00:46:18 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 00:46:18 -0500 Subject: BOC: re:Heaven Forbid review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'll probably regret this, but..... >My review of Heaven Forbid. > >Cover art: Horrid. Awful. Low budget. Completely pointless. Even the >text is the wrong color for the background. Yuck! Album covers >. Marketing makes a difference! Even a photo of the band on >stage, far away, would have been better. > then how do you explain crap like you see on any number of new releases? I'm no fan of the cover either, but I'm not arrogant enough to say that I KNOW it won't sell or such and such would have been better > >However to me it sounds little like Blue Oyster Cult. From this >point of view, I am disappointed. Where is is the mystery? Where is >the doom and gloom? Where are the sci-fi/fantasy lyrics? Where are the >epic story-songs? Even Club Ninja, for all its faults, was truer to >the Blue Oyster Cult vision. At least it took some chances and had some >character. But where Club Ninja was too clever for its own good, Heaven >Forbid is too boneheaded for its own good. > your point is?.... as you say, it's been 10 YEARS....I suppose just about anyone could change a bit of musical direction in that amount of time. many would dispute the "character" of CN... >Although it is obviously not fair to compare Heaven Forbid to Imaginos, >such a comparision is inevitable considering it was the last original >BOC studio album. Where Imaginos is lyrically rich, Heaven Forbid is >lyrically sparse. They try to cover up this deficit through repetition. > ok, since you say it's not fair....why do it? as many on this list are quick to tell you, Imaginos WASN'T REALLY a BOC album...a comparison is really just not valid >Listening to this album I am struck by just how much the band >lost with the departure of the Bouchard brothers. I listen the >Brain Surgeons and I hear all sorts of BOC type riffs and lyrics, >and then I listen to Heaven Forbid and I admire Buck's abilities, >but I feel something is missing. Not even Buck can fill all the >space with good music. funny, I listen to BOC and hear all sorts of BOC riffs. maybe it's that guy playing them. > >First of all, is it my imagination or was this album recorded much louder >than other albums? Black Sabbath used to do this in the 1990s and it >really pissed me off when I made mixed tapes, because all of a sudden >one song was noticably louder than the others. > it's called mixing and mastering. CDs having a wider dynamic range than vinyl....and most decent stereos have faders on them to adjust the output level of a recording.....what exactly is the point of this comment? >See You in Black begins auspiciously with some aggressive soloing, >then settles into a repetitive riff which in itself is not a problem >"He ain't never coming back" or "we'll get that bastard back"... >Ok those aren't the greatest but it took me 5 minutes. They have had >10 years! > it's pretty easy for someone who hasn't written the song to criticize... the lyrics....I may not be fond of all of them either, but again, I'm also not arrogant enough to suggest I could come up with better. apparently SOMEONE in the band likes Shirley's lyrics, and it's their song, right? >Harvest Moon is a good Buck Dharma song, pleasantly spooky but >unfortunately not very exciting. It is a good choice for second song. >the words "Harvest Moon" sung over and over. Just remove half of those and >the song would improve. Lots of good guitar work in the middle, though. > more or less the same comments...that and being bewildered with how anyone can call HM "not exciting".... >Power Underneath Despair was the first song which actually sounded like >BOC to me. Musically it is rockin' with signature BOC-style riffs, time >the lyrics are awful. The first stanza is good but after that the song >degenerates into talk of carjacking and 7-11s. But musically I like it. >It's aggressive and has attitude, like Lips in the Hills. > >Damaged begins well with some minimal guitar and vocals, then is soon >chugging along at a brisk pace with some signature Buck playing. This <-----you would prefer "She's as Beautiful as a Foot" maybe? >and boring. However, it does qualify as a doom and gloom song (though >just barely). > >Real World is an accousticly driven song about rains of frogs and fish >and weird happenings. It has the typical Buck Dharma soft rock feel to it. >While pleasant, it is a poor successor to such great paranormal songs >as ETI, The Vigil, and Take Me Away. It is too relaxed and needs more >tension and a hard edge to it. I would have done something sounding >more like "Don't Turn your Back" and put it as the last track on the >album. > and why does this song have to be compared to any of those songs? what does it really have in common with any of them? I think if you actually read the lyrics, the UFO connection that you suggest turns out to be tenuous at best >Live for Me is a sad song, lyrically the strongest on the album. It's >definitely doom and gloom in the classic BOC style, but tempered with >a typical Buck Dharma uplifting message. It reminds me of his song Your >that minus In Thee, Heaven Forbid clock in at 41:23, it begins to seem >like padding. But still, it is a cute way to end the album. > >This record would be considered great work by any unknown band. As a BOC >record, it falls short of their best material. The constant repetition >was annoying the very first time I heard the music, a bad sign. The sound >of Heaven Forbid relies less on synthesizers than the later BOC albums >did, and this is a welcome trend. I am disappointed with most (certainly >not all) of the lyrics. But on the whole I still like it. I recommend it >to any fan of Blue Oyster Cult. Do I recommend it to first time BOC >listeners? No. In my opinion it is neither their best work nor is it >typical. In my opinion better introductory album would be Imaginos, Fire >of Unknown Origin, or Workshop of the Telescopes. > funny I would never have guessed you liked it methinks some people are just never satisfied. while I'm not going to gush like some people do, I'm also thankful to have music by a talented bunch of musicians with some (IMHO) really good songs again, I'll probably regret this in the morning, but what really is the point of yet another review of an album that probably most of us have heard and made up our own minds about by now? especially when it's full of little bitches about "this could have been done better" or "I would rather hear this"... especially when I haven't recently seen any CDs with the name William Fuller on them? as Buck said himself..this album represents where "BOC is at right now"...not where they were 20 years ago, despite what some people might wish I really gotta start going to bed earlier Ted From Brizo777 at AOL.COM Tue Mar 31 01:10:26 1998 From: Brizo777 at AOL.COM (Brizo777) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 01:10:26 EST Subject: BOC: re:Heaven Forbid review Message-ID: Ted, Ya did a fine job, of tackling warped logic someone called a review....:-) I found some of the comments disturbingly off the wall. Frankly, I'm surprised some of these folks are so eager to spit out reviews like this. At least this person had almost a week, but I read a bad one by someone who hadn't heard it yet, and saw a negative one first thing Tuesday morning....? Briz From cando at HIGHFIBER.COM Tue Mar 31 03:00:29 1998 From: cando at HIGHFIBER.COM (James Coburn) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 01:00:29 -0700 Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid - A Review Message-ID: Hey Torgo, That was great! You really put some time into that one. It reads like some of the sci-fi stories I've been reading lately. It seems that you ought to keep up with the writing-considering what appears to be some lyrical limitations on J. Shirley's part maybe you could step in with some new BOC lyrics for the next CD! :-) James Coburn Albuquerque, NM From cando at HIGHFIBER.COM Tue Mar 31 03:00:33 1998 From: cando at HIGHFIBER.COM (James Coburn) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 01:00:33 -0700 Subject: BOC: re:Heaven Forbid review Message-ID: RE: >I'll probably regret this, but..... > >>My review of Heaven Forbid. Well, we're all entitled to our opinions and positions on things. Thanks, William Fuller, I enjoyed reading your review and got some value from it. Regarding the repetitious lyrics maybe Torgo should start writing for the boys after he showed us some of his writing talents in his HF "review." James Coburn Albuquerque, NM PS And do we have any more information on the reason(s) for the (lambasted) cover from Buck, Eric and the AOL side than the snippet (one or two sentences) someone posted a couple of days back? From chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET Tue Mar 31 03:08:40 1998 From: chuck at GENESISNETWORK.NET (herbert rosenberg) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 00:08:40 -0800 Subject: New E-mail Address for Chuck/Charlie Rosenberg Message-ID: I apologize for the off-topicness. I've always been good about the headers, but I thought if I used OFF here, some people who should read this message might miss it. Anyway, I'm changing addresses. Any of you who have e-mailed me privately, and think you might want to again, my new address is: chuckrecs at aol.com Dump the old one: genesisnetwork.net Thanks. Hawk and Oyster on, Charlie From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Mar 31 03:49:45 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:49:45 +0100 Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, mine showed up this morning, on to second listen, so now I can join in! :) > Cover art: Horrid. Awful. It's _so_ gnarly I think I like it! Really! >Yuck! Album covers > matter in marketing. I guess England's different from the US in this respect, but BOC are so unhip here it hurts, and I can't see cover art changing its sales an iota, either up or down - the only people who are going to buy it are diehards like me, and those who've read a good review in Kerrang!, and the cover won't matter to either of those groups. Having said that, I'm glad I ordered it by mail instead of buying it in the shop :) > Music: On the whole, I like it. I will probably listen to it many times. > It's hard rockin', quirky, and technically well played. I encourage > anyone to buy it. Not *that* hard rockin' :) Not compared to a lot of stuff I listen to anyway! > > However to me it sounds little like Blue Oyster Cult. From this > point of view, I am disappointed. Where is is the mystery? Where is > the doom and gloom? Where are the sci-fi/fantasy lyrics? Gone with Messrs Pearlman and Meltzer, I guess. You could try pasticheing their style, but that would be horrid. Better to take another tack entirely, IMO. Anyway most sci-fi is crap :) I think it's wrong to blame JS alone for repetition in choruses - if he writes "Keep the hammer back" once, and the band sing it 20 times, whose fault is that? >Where are the > epic story-songs? "Harvest Moon". :) >Even Club Ninja, for all its faults, was truer to > the Blue Oyster Cult vision. Produced by SP, of course... First listen, I like "Power Underneath Despair" best. Some tracks verge towards generic American rock. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Mar 31 04:01:34 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:01:34 +0100 Subject: Followup to New on the List In-Reply-To: <19980330184255.56064@makmorn.> Message-ID: > The first and third verses are fine (and that first line is a killer), > but the other verses are horrible. Her husband is a wife-beater, > so now we have the justification for killing him. We don't need > no stinkin' justification! We'll kill him because we want his wife! > *That*'s reason enough. The "old" BOC would left in the ambiguity. Good point. Reminds me of "Veins" - "I'm drinking his whiskey/I'm balling his wife"... (don't believe the minced version in the lyric book!) > And that last verse, running away to Greece and drinking Ouzo... YAK! In JS' original lyric, it's "ouzo in our coffee". Now, I've got a cup of Gold Blend here, and there's still some duty-free ouzo left over from that holiday in Corfu... YAK indeed! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Tue Mar 31 04:34:35 1998 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:34:35 +1000 Subject: BOC: My Heaven Forbid Review Message-ID: Folks, Well, almost a week after after my attainment of my copy of Heaven Forbid, I am now ready to post my first review ever to BOC-L. I bought the album two days after it was released in the USA, by way of import. In a sense I was prepared to face the cover. I had seen the CMC website, and found it to be a good preparation for what I think everybody considers a pretty ordinary cover. By B?C standards, it is below average. But interesting enough, the guy who sold it to me thought the cover of "Cultosaurus Erectus" was worse. Well, the cover is bad, but not as bad as I was thinking it would be. I think the point is is that is is out of character to some degree. It looks like it would make a good cover for a death-metal band. Perhaps CMC is trying to market to these folks. That would be a mistake though, because the music is a million miles from death-metal. I have been a B?C fan for around 19 years or so. I remember being excited about the release of Mirrors, and then of course the following releases. When Mirrors came out , I was delighted, and I still like it. It was different, melodic, and diverse. Many don?t like it. Others love it. But to me it was B?C. To me the one common denominator of all B?C albums is this : you don't know what to expect. I can imagine being around when Agents of Fortune was relased. Such a change of style. But brilliant. Not one album has been like another. For a band many have previously called a heavy metal band, this is a huge statement, most metal bands being rather confined. And so, after 10 years of waiting for new B?C songs, I am at last confronted with Heaven Forbid. The only expectation I had was that this would be like no other B?C album, or any other group's album for that matter. I wanted them to be true to form. I am not disappointed. We Aussies have not heard a peep of this stuff. We do not see them live, and the Summerdaze release seems mythical to us. I had no idea what to expect. The opener is the metallic "See you in Black". This songs rocks, hard. It is typical metal, and once again, as in the days of old, when B?C do metal, they reign supreme. It is no wonder this band is built on heavy rock. They do it well. Eric Bloom sounds fantastic, and the lyric of this number is quite catchy and almost tongue in cheek. Blazing guitars, pounding riffs, yes even a Metallica fan would be pleased. The next tune is "Harvest Moon". The guys have tread this terrain before, the distinctive smooth rock sound of Buck Dharma coming through. It is moody and melodic, with a speedy guitar solo at full-gallop in the middle. I am pleased with this track, and it is good to see the return of the fast soloing by Buck. Not since awesome speed bits like solos from "The Marshall Plan" and "Monsters" have we seen this done so well. Possibly the easiest song to access on this album. Then follows the heavier "Power Underneath Despair". Again, prime Eric Bloom vocals. Heavy riffs, and a completely unusual chorus, with a unique beat. A great track. I like this. " X-ray Eyes" . Catchy, with the guitar hook to end all guitar hooks. This is an excellent song, Buck singing, and his style suits this one well. Some very tasty stuff way back in the mix. New territory in many ways for the band. Then your ears are treated to "Hammer Back". This is a metal song with grunt. The riff is great , with the guitars playing different tunes. This is again the metal B?C. The Lyric (by John Shirley) suits the song rather well. An agressive solo, and this tune played loud will kill your lawn. The next song "Damaged", is one of two that are a real departure from the norm for B?C - or is it? It is flat-out boogie style groove rock, with hot soloing and the speediest finish since the live version of "Seven Screaming Diz-busters". I think to myself that this is not typical of B?C. Then I remember the boogie groove of "I'm on the lamb but I ain't no sheep", or "Buck's Boogie" or even the live "Maserati GT (I ain't got you)" and I see this as the 90's kicking version. This song is a ripper! "Cold Grey Light of Dawn" follows. This is similar to "Power Underneath Despair" and is heavy, melodic, and Eric Bloom is shining. This is perhaps one of his best ever. Eric has matured to prove once and for all he is quality. In a world of growlers and screamers, this guy is a pleasant change. This track is perhaps my fave. Again, great Shirley lyrics about the futility of lying and cheating. Then we have "Real World", the other unusual song, and a clear departure from the norm for this band. Acoustic driven boogie, with that unmistakable vibe of other-worldness that only B?C can do. This song is the eye-opener. Perhaps I found this difficult to handle at first, but on further listens, the thing striking best is the subtlety that this song has. This is the typical mood of the best of B?C, the hidden hooks that grow on you. Yes, this song is great. Unusual, unexpected, but great. Very different but welcome. B?C havent sounded this off the wall since "Workshop of the Telescopes", not that this song sounds anything like that. "Live for Me" is the next one and the fifth song on the album sung by Buck. It is an absolute gem. The lyrics rule, and tell a sad but uplifting story. John Shirley has shown real talent here. Buck delivers the lyrics with feel. It is a trademark 80's style rocker with melody and poise. The hooks are there and the song goes well. Perhaps Buck's best performance on the album, vocally. Very very good song. The last of the new songs is "Still Burnin'". Co-written with former bass player Jon Rogers, who plays and sings backing on this one, it is a simple metal song with a catchy riff, feel, and lyric. Good soloing from Buck too. But I wonder if this song would have sounded better with Eric singing. Not to worry, it is a great tune. The old Mirrors song "In thee" done live and acoustically, is the finisher for the album. Really a nice add-on for the B?C junkie. The players on this album are all in peak form. Eric Bloom sounds fantastic. Buck plays his best ever , and the album has captured his accomplished style and flair. He sings well too. But, as his first real production of a B?C album, he excells. He will always have a career in music. The production is world class. Allen Lanier is a little in the background in the mix, but he is there and the key solo on "Damaged" is cool. Then we have Danny Miranda on bass. His first appearance on an album, and he certainly shows form. Particularly on "X-Ray Eyes". He is a welcome addition to the band, and a fitting replacement for Joe Bouchard. The drum duties are for the most part taken up by Chuck Burgi, who has since departed, but he shows the same competence and skill as we saw on "Cult Classic" , and he is a fine, tight drummer. Current drummer Bobby Rondinelli drums on "Live for Me", and we are starved of the opportunity to hear his best form , restricted to a one song output. All-in all, this album rocks. In a world where it is almost impossible to find recent albums with an element of classic longevity, this is just what Dr. Music ordered. I look at the sad array of hard and heavy rock on the shelves of the stores these days, and lament. This album will shine through, if it ever gets the chance. With a cover like this, the metaller will buy it, and be dissapointed, being forced to stretch his mind too far. But the quality rocker, who this album is custom made for, will ignore it for the cover. Interesting situation. For the B?C fan, this rules. Just as expected, an album like no other previously, and unpredictable in it's style. Like other albums though, it is B?C. It is heavy rock played with variety, style, and finesse. Quality musicians. Good lyricist. Guys, gone are the days of old. The Bouchards have both moved on to other pastures. The influential Pearlman is not here. Neither is Meltzer. But B?C have survived, and as someone has said, re-invented themselves. The album is a culmination. The varying styles of old have been represented, but not copied or relied upon. The B?C of 1998 is fresh and exciting. Buy it today! Troy =========================================== Troy Harris fiskare at webconcept.com.au P O Box 1066 Mornington Vic. 3931 Australia From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Mar 31 07:55:14 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:55:14 -0500 Subject: Followup to New on the List Message-ID: >I honestly do "not" like the cover art. I find it to not be in following with BOC's previous artwork or even character. I brought my CD into the office so I could listen to it all day, and every single co-worker who came in, looked at the CD, grimaced and always formed a negative opinion before listening to anything on the album. You're entitled to your opinions - we here at BOC-L are known for being fair, honest, and at times even critical of our music (well, except me - I seem to have a knack for liking stuff that others might dislike, or for overpraising my heroes). You are certainly not alone in your assessment of the cover. I've stated my thoughts - too many times - on it so I won't again. Question though - how old are you and your co-workers? My assumption is that the cover was mainly targeted toward a younger audience (at least younger than most of us "old farts" listening to BOC), and would be curious to know if that strategy works or backfires... >If I am to be honest in a BOC group, I think I would point out that I find HF to be an excellent work, but one that only confirms that I am possibly more a fan of Buck Dharma, than BOC Many of us have our favorites. I have come to especially appreciate what Albert brought to the original line-up. Bolle, the fanclub president, thinks every BOC song would've been better if Eric sung it (well, almost), and many recognize Buck's talents beyond the obvious guitar hero that he is. I think that in the past few years, Buck has really taken control of the band musically. Not that everyone is merely backing him, but as for the "creative spark" in the band these days, I think Buck provides most of it. Keep the discussions going! John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Mar 31 06:55:26 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:55:26 EDT Subject: Followup to New on the List In-Reply-To: <000201bd5c83$9aa4ba80$5e3f63c3@default> Message-ID: > > In JS' original lyric, it's "ouzo in our coffee". Now, I've got a cup of > Gold Blend here, and there's still some duty-free ouzo left over from that > holiday in Corfu... YAK indeed! > > - Andy Yikes! Lookout, Andy, we wouldn't want a 'coffee wars, part II' going on to spoil the debut of HF? From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Mar 31 07:10:17 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:10:17 EDT Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid In-Reply-To: <000101bd5c81$f4169860$5e3f63c3@default> Message-ID: > > I guess England's different from the US in this respect, but BOC are so > unhip here it hurts, and I can't see cover art changing its sales an iota, > either up or down - the only people who are going to buy it are diehards > like me, and those who've read a good review in Kerrang!, and the cover > won't matter to either of those groups. > The cover's not all that bad. Guitar world gave it a nice review, coupled with a review of Motorhead's new one. Curious, they showed the cover of Motorhead's disc! But check it out. I'll try to get the web site this afternoon. Brief review, but highly complimentary... > > > > However to me it sounds little like Blue Oyster Cult. From this > > point of view, I am disappointed. Where is is the mystery? Where is > > the doom and gloom? Where are the sci-fi/fantasy lyrics? > > Gone with Messrs Pearlman and Meltzer, I guess. You could try pasticheing > their style, but that would be horrid. Better to take another tack > entirely, IMO. Anyway most sci-fi is crap :) > This is a good point that often escapes me. I forget that a good part of BOC's appeal is via sci-fi. I always dug that aspect of their music, but it was the more gritty, earth-based stuff like Transmaniacon or Quicklime or Flaming Telepaths that grabbed me. I think that SP and RM's departures were hugely significant, like the Bouchard brothers,' but we have to work with what's there. Given the huge shoes we had to fill, I think the new writing works out pretty well... >> > >Even Club Ninja, for all its faults, was truer to > > the Blue Oyster Cult vision. > > Produced by SP, of course... > But only if one considers it from a sci-fi standpoint. Don't overlook the other aspects of the band... theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Mar 31 08:15:50 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:15:50 -0500 Subject: Followup to New on the List Message-ID: >Good point. Reminds me of "Veins" - "I'm drinking his whiskey/I'm balling his wife"... (don't believe the minced version in the lyric book!) Uh, I never hear this Andy. I always thought it was "wanting his wife". I mean, at least the dude should kill the husband before "balling his wife", don't you think? ;-) O.K. O.K. O.K!! That was a (perhaps bad) JOKE!!! I don't want to find out 2 years from now that someone in the FBI thinks I'm a wife-killer 'cuz they intercepted this message over the net! We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming... John From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Mar 31 08:21:17 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:21:17 +0100 Subject: Followup to New on the List In-Reply-To: <201A5907B4D@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: > Yikes! Lookout, Andy, we wouldn't want a 'coffee wars, part II' > going on to spoil the debut of HF? > Whoopsy! Uh, I blame John Shirley! (Or failing that, Steve!) I put HF on "replay" all morning - I think it's a solid album, no real duffers except maybe "Still Burnin'"; best tracks generally the heaviest ones with the solid grooves in the choruses, "Power Underneath Despair", "See You", "Hammer Back". And then there's the excellent "Harvest Moon", which feels a bit like it's on the wrong album, out of place amid the Shirley urban nightmare stuff. There's a definite danger I'll get pissed at the Astoria gig and start shouting "Hammer baaaaaaack!!" between songs... - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Mar 31 08:22:20 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:22:20 -0500 Subject: BOC: My Heaven Forbid Review Message-ID: Troy: A most excellent review! I especially like the fact that you were able to review this with no bias from hearing any of the songs before. Most of us have heard at least a few of these songs a few times live - and some of us have probably heard a track like "Harvest Moon" live almost as many times as something like "ETI" (o.k., I'm exaggerating a bit). John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Mar 31 07:28:29 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:28:29 EDT Subject: BOC: re:Heaven Forbid review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > >Although it is obviously not fair to compare Heaven Forbid to Imaginos, > >such a comparision is inevitable considering it was the last original > >BOC studio album. Where Imaginos is lyrically rich, Heaven Forbid is > >lyrically sparse. They try to cover up this deficit through repetition. > > > ok, since you say it's not fair....why do it? as many on this list > are quick to tell you, Imaginos WASN'T REALLY a BOC album...a comparison > is really just not valid > Right you are! Better to compare HF to CN, and it stands petty tall by that standard... > >and boring. However, it does qualify as a doom and gloom song (though > >just barely). > > > >Live for Me is a sad song, lyrically the strongest on the album. It's > >definitely doom and gloom in the classic BOC style, but tempered with > >a typical Buck Dharma uplifting message. It reminds me of his song Your > I think it's a mistake to get hung up on 'doom and gloom.' I never thought BOC was all that gloomy. Mysterious or macabre, sure. BOC has always had it's collective tongue planted firmly in cheek, and I see plenty of evidence of that here as well: SYiB, HB, Damaged, RW all carry on the BOC tradition, just in a little different direction. Fer Crissakes, let the band wander around a little. They've earned the right after 25-plus years... theo From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Mar 31 08:27:57 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:27:57 +0100 Subject: Followup to New on the List In-Reply-To: <199803311315.IAA05254@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > Uh, I never hear this Andy. I always thought it was "wanting his wife". > Uh, possibly, just checking it... maybe it's one of those mishearings where you ALWAYS prefer your own version (we've all had them!) > > O.K. O.K. O.K!! That was a (perhaps bad) JOKE!!! I don't want to find > out 2 years from now that someone in the FBI thinks I'm a wife-killer > 'cuz they intercepted this message over the net! Hey, I don't even have a wife. Any more... :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Mar 31 06:26:40 1998 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:26:40 +1000 Subject: HW: EBS... Message-ID: On 30 Mar 98, at 17:57, eldritch wrote: > Smirk.... > > Just what are you implying ;-) Nuthin! Honest!!! > oK SO PxR5 isn't necesarily the best album....it's the only one I've > never owned at all though.. > > Admit it....'It is the business...' is a far worse LP than PXR5.... PXR-5 is the Hawkind album I hold closest to my heart ... it isn't their best but it was when am Aussie Radio Station played "Robot" shortly after it came out that I discovered the Hawkwind Universe ...... I've been hanging out for that just as much as you I was talking about your faulty memory .... I think it's intact ..... it's EBS release dates that I was talking about ..... just didn't want to actually say that ;^) Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Mar 31 08:31:41 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:31:41 -0500 Subject: BOC: La Verne and Shirley and Buck Message-ID: >"I saw the marks on your hands I saw the blood on your coffee cup " Yeah, I think the original line was "I saw the marks OF HIS hands". So, now we just interpret this to be some sort of weird guy who likes to whack his wife on the hands with a ruler, perhaps as the Catholic nuns used to do? Speaking of this song, I've been meaning to mention this. This song, combined with the imagery of the cover and inner tray, remind me a bit of Stephen King's novel, *Rose Madder* - basically about a women abused for years by her husband until she leaves him - and the twisted fuck that he is, he pursues her relentlessly - meanwhile, she finds this weird painting of a woman in a field who is some sort of goddess - to make a long story short, the picture becomes "real" (like a doorway to another world) which the woman and her husband go into, and this goddess, who's really something of a monster, helps the woman. There's really a lot more to this story than that - King, a master of horror, is great at making _people_ into monsters - this husband in the story is one evil dude. Had I read this story recently, I would've kept playing SYIB in the background. John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Mar 31 07:35:16 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:35:16 EDT Subject: Followup to New on the List In-Reply-To: <19980330184255.56064@makmorn.> Message-ID: > > The first and third verses are fine (and that first line is a killer), > but the other verses are horrible. Her husband is a wife-beater, > so now we have the justification for killing him. We don't need > no stinkin' justification! We'll kill him because we want his wife! > *That*'s reason enough. The "old" BOC would left in the ambiguity. > The ambiguity's still there. I think the guy's a stalker, not her boyfriend. If he was her lover, he'd know for sure if the woman was being beaten up. I think the dude is in love with her, and she doesn't know it, and he's just daydreaming about her... From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Mar 31 08:45:22 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:45:22 +0100 Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid In-Reply-To: <201E53D313B@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: > > Gone with Messrs Pearlman and Meltzer, I guess. You could try > pasticheing > > their style, but that would be horrid. Better to take another tack > > entirely, IMO. Anyway most sci-fi is crap :) > > > This is a good point that often escapes me. I forget that a good > part of BOC's appeal is via sci-fi. I don't really think of BOC as a sci-fi band (and that's *not* just because most sci-fi is crap :)). They've never been afraid to casually drop sf themes into their lyrics - "Monsters", "Sole Survivor" - but much more often, their lyrics have just been plain weird. I don't see a whole lot of sci-fi on _Tyranny_ or _Secret Treaties_ - certainly not genre sf. If you come to it from an sf background, you can interpret songs like "Harvester of Eyes" in an sf fashion, I suppose, but I tend to think of them as being at a disturbing angle from consensus reality - a similar appeal to (in another context) the films of David Lynch. Shirley's fiction is more of the urban dystopia school, "gritty" and "realistic", and that comes through in his lyrics. He's a borderline sf writer, from my reading of him, what Bruce Sterling calls "slipstream", I guess. Overlapping with what was fashionably called "cyberpunk" a few yers ago. What we really (really) wanted was more Eric van Lustbader lyrics! :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Mar 31 08:56:32 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:56:32 +0100 Subject: BOC: La Verne and Shirley and Buck In-Reply-To: <199803311331.IAA08681@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > > Speaking of this song, I've been meaning to mention this. This song, > combined with the imagery of the cover and inner tray, remind me a bit > of Stephen King's novel, *Rose Madder* That's a good interpretation of the cover, I think - the guy's "evil side" is turned away from her, so, like, we can see it, it's obvious, but she sees the handsome side (well, handsome except for the dodgy beard). That interior picture is pretty grim, though - God as a big-haired American woman? What happened to "Nightmare Epiphany" and "Secret Road"? - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com;http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Mar 31 08:02:08 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:02:08 EDT Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid In-Reply-To: <001a01bd5cab$40595040$5e3f63c3@default> Message-ID: > come to it from an sf background, you can interpret songs like "Harvester of > Eyes" in an sf fashion, I suppose, but I tend to think of them as being at a > disturbing angle from consensus reality - a similar appeal to (in another > context) the films of David Lynch. > This is an excellent point! I see all kinds of parallels bet. SP's lyrics and DL's films... From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Mar 31 09:10:27 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:10:27 -0500 Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid Message-ID: Alright, me and Mr. Fuller probably disagree on quite a few things about this album, but I will refrain from posting a lengthy, point-by- point rebuttal (and there was much rejoicing...), but a few comments to his review ... >Cover art: Horrid. Awful. Low budget. Completely pointless. Even the text is the wrong color for the background. Yuck! Album covers matter in marketing. Seems to be the consensus, but I still maintain that they are targeting a different market that the long-time BOC fan. Despite my own feelings about buying albums based on covers, you are right that they matter. But, I disagree that this is necessarily not going to sell. Again, time will tell, but remember that you (I suspect) and I are not who the cover is targeted for, I presume. Whether CMC has done any kind of studies to see what kind of artwork/imagery might sell, I don't know - I doubt it, since they certainly are a smaller company than someone like Sony. Also, and someone else asked this - my understanding is that this cover was very much Buck's idea (it was presumably "done by committee", but I believe Buck has stated he wanted something "eye-catching" on the racks - then again, that could've been a little joke). >Music: On the whole, I like it. I will probably listen to it many times. It's hard rockin', quirky, and technically well played. I encourage anyone to buy it. This comment did not prepare me for the harsh criticism that would follow. Also, you conclude that this would have been a great album for an unknown band, but not a band like BOC. So, obviously you have held BOC to some higher standard - a BOC that in part no longer exists, and a BOC that even when it did exist produced it's share of "questionable" material. And, if this is an excellent CD by and unknown band, then I have hope - because for the general public BOC *IS* an unknown band in the 90s - so maybe, just maybe, some who have never (or barely) heard of BOC who plays HF will be so blown away by it that it will start a chain of events that bring some larger recognition in this day and age for BOC. >Only in the last third of the song do we hear about anything unusual: a monster or evil force is killing the children of the village. Then the song ends before this idea can be developed. Well, I like the sort of implied evil. My guess is that Buck probably didn't start out to write a horror-type song, and somewhere along the way, decided to add this last portion to make it more "BOC-like" lyrically. I could be way off here, but take away that last bit and this song might have been something you'd have heard on *Flat Out* - a beautiful song musically, but lyrically not typcial BOC - but with a little twist, it's classic BOC. >It has the typical Buck Dharma soft rock feel to it. While pleasant, it is a poor successor to such great paranormal songs as ETI, The Vigil, and Take Me Away. See, there you go again, trying to compare a 90s song by BOC with 70s and 80s songs - now, if they DID compare, would you also complain that BOC is just rehashing the same old stuff??? >I am disappointed with most (certainly not all) of the lyrics. Well, based on comments on the "Bad Channels" tunes, also lyrics by Shirley, it does seem that many have a problem with his lyrics. But, as someone else pointed out, is it his lyrics, or BOC's use of them? I don't know. My suspicion is that they are so much different than stuff by Pearlman and Meltzer that perhaps they didn't lend themselves to the same kinds of translation (epic storylines and all). Also, perhaps the fact that Pearlman/Meltzer were probably more involved in the process than John Shirley (it's my understanding that he basically faxed stuff to the band, and that was pretty much his involvement). I've read a few of JS's books, and he is one twisted dude - he is much more "punkish" in delivery than someone like Pearlman. And, perhaps Buck and Eric have a harder time putting his lyrics into song than they and the Bouchard's did with Pearlman/Meltzer lyics. Now, Harvest Moon isn't exactly repetitive, and there were no JS lyrics there - so Buck perhaps can put together his own stuff better. Then again, Still Burnin' also has no JS lyrics, yet there the lyrics are fairly simple and short - then again, perhaps Jon Rogers wrote them? But, I do understand your points on the lyrics - I think it's a matter of taste, and perhaps having read some of Shirley's stuff, this has all grown on me better. But, I also think you are trying too hard to compare BOC of today with BOC of 20 years ago. Still, thought-provoking commentary is always welcome on BOC-L! John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Mar 31 09:38:58 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:38:58 -0500 Subject: BOC: re:Heaven Forbid review Message-ID: >Imaginos WASN'T REALLY a BOC album... I understand the point you were making, but despite being one of the first one's to say that Imaginos was largely the work of Albert, it still *IS* a BOC album. I've heard some people of BOC Fandom try to dismiss this album in retrospect of what they know about it - still, Sandy Pearlman's lyrics are there, and there is "some" contributions from both the original line-up and the line-up that was current at the time. Buck has some guitar parts in there - and Buck and Eric's vocals are obvious. And BOC did (however briefly) tour in support of the album, playing 3 of it's tracks live. While I think it is important that people realize that this was not a BOC album in the typical sense (band getting together with demo tapes, working on stuff together, involved in the mixing, and all that), the band was all involved, and it is a BOC record. Or, maybe it's an Albert Bouchard record with special guests - the members of Blue Oyster Cult. I'm not sure it was Ted's intent to dismiss Imaginos as "not a BOC album", but I have heard other folks make this statement even more strongly (words to the effect of "I don't even count Imaginos as a BOC album in my collection"). But, despite the controversy, the emotional and legal fall-out, and the previously- overlooked efforts of one Albert T. Bouchard, this album should still be considered a BOC record - it's just that when folks are credited on albums, you don't know what percentage of the product they are part of - the Imaginos credits would suggest that the bulk of this album was done by the original line-up, and now we know that that is not true. This all made me think of the fact that nothing from Imaginos was put on Workshop of the Telescopes - yet the liner notes spoke so highly of it... John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Mar 31 09:44:07 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:44:07 -0500 Subject: BOC: La Verne and Shirley and Buck Message-ID: >That interior picture is pretty grim, though - God as a big-haired American woman? Oh, shit! Gotta take back all those "dumb blond" jokes I made... ;-) John From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Tue Mar 31 11:17:33 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:17:33 +0000 Subject: HW: EBS... In-Reply-To: <199803311331.VAA16068@m2.acer.net> Message-ID: Just thought I would contribute a bit 'bout PXR5 here. It is definately on the cards for release by EBS, hopefully with the different mixes of the the title track. If you compare the versions on the LP release and the Virgin CD, the mix is different. There may be other mixing differences too - can't remember. I lent my CD to Doug Smith so that he could compare the two, with a view to putting all the various different mixes on, as well as any relevent B-sides too. In my view, PXR5 is head and shoulders above IITBOTFTBD, in fact in a completely different league - there are some great songs on it. Even the lesser known trax are superb - Infiny or High Rise for instance. Best of all though, the driving riff of the title track is straight out of the Space Ritual era! Definately an under-rated LP to say the least! From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Mar 31 03:38:53 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:38:53 +0100 Subject: HW: EBS... In-Reply-To: <35201E4A.E86C2341@ndirect.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <35201E4A.E86C2341 at ndirect.co.uk>, eldritch writes >I suppose 'It is the business...' and PXR5 have the redeeming feature >that they're not RUSH ;-) > >On second thoughts 'It is the business...' has one more redeeming >feature....It's not 'Love in Space' > Um, do you like HW? PXR5 is a great LP. It the first one I bought on day-of-release. Counted the days, I did. This is back in 1917, of course, when the spaceship was still steam-powered. -- Jon From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Tue Mar 31 11:51:55 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:51:55 +0000 Subject: HW: Stuff for Sale In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've got a few spare items for sale, if anybody is interested. (Apologies to anyone who has seen it already!) If you're interested, E-mail me on guy.thomas at entoil.co.uk Singles: Urban Guerrilla / Brainbox Pollution UA plain cover ?5.00 Angels of Death / Transdimensional Man RCA Pic cover ?4.00 Shot Down in the Night / Urban Guerilla Bronze pic cover ?4.00 Moorcock: Dodgum Dude Flicknife Moorcock autographed pic sleeve - mint ?20.00 Motorhead: Ace of Spades Bronze tatty pic sleeve ?2.00 Motorhead: Golden Years 12" EP Bronze good ?5.00 Motorhead: Beer Drinkers 12" EP Bronze good ?5.00 Headgirl (Motorhead/Girlschool):Please don't touch Bronze good ?3.00 LP's: Space Ritual,Double UA gatefold sleeve, average ?8.00 Hall of the mountain grill UA pic inner sleeve, average ?9.00 Hall of the mountain grill EMI re-issue excellent ?4.00 Warrior on the edge of time UA Shield of Chaos cover, ?25.00 Moorcock autographed Quark, strangeness and charm,Charisma tatty, pic inner ?4.00 25 Years On - Hawklords Charisma, re-issue good ?5.00 Levitation Black vinyl Bronze good ?5.00 Levitation Blue vinyl Bronze good ?15.00 Twice upon a time Flicknife good ?5.00 Zones Flicknife excellent ?5.00 Anthology Vol 1 Samurai excellent ?5.00 Anthology Vol 2 Samurai excellent ?5.00 Anthology Vol 3 Samurai excellent ?5.00 The Hawkwind Collection, Double Castle excellent ?10.00 Calvert: Captain Lockheed US ATCO Single Cover ?10.00 Calvert: Hype A-Side Mint ?15.00 Calvert: Freq Flicknife Mint ?10.00 Calvert: Lucky Leif Beat Goes On Mint ?10.00 ICU: New Anatomy Demi Monde Excellent ?6.00 Motorhead: No Remorse Bronze (Mint Leather cover, pic inners) discs a bit scratched ?12.00 Motorhead: No Sleep 'til Hammersmith Bronze good ?5.00 Motorhead: Iron Fist Bronze good ?5.00 Motorhead: Bomber Bronze good ?5.00 Motorhead: Overkill Bronze good ?5.00 Motorhead: Another perfect Day Bronze Excellent ?5.00 Motorhead: On Parole UA Mint ?5.00 Motorhead: Motorhead Chiswick Mint ?5.00 CD's: Alien EBS Signed by Dave, Alan, Richard, Ron ?60.00 Love In Space EP EBS PROMO "not for resale" ?25.00 Love In Space EP EBS ?5.00 X In Search of Space EMI Original CD issue ?8.00 It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous Castle ?9.00 The Best of Hawkwind Castle Compilation ?4.00 Spacehead: Of Stars and Time EBS ?10.00 Pressurehead: Sudden Vertigo Cleopatra ?10.00 Miscellaneous: Video: VHS PAL Night of the Hawks (with ECT show recorded from TV & 1972 Silver Machine on end) ?18.00 Video: VHS PAL Chronicle of the Black Sword, Moorcock autographed sleeve ?25.00 Video: VHS PAL Live Legends ?14.00 Cassette: Business Trip (re-glued tape housing -plays just fine) ?2.00 Cassette: Harvey Bainbridge: Interstellar Chaos Un-played ?4.00 Cassette: Alman Mulo Band: Afrodiziac Un-played ?4.00 Alien Tour Poster (six) each ?1.00 BBC 1/4" Reel-reel tapes: 1972 Paris Theatre session, 2 reels, ?60.00 From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Tue Mar 31 11:57:17 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:57:17 +0000 Subject: HW: Stuff for Sale In-Reply-To: <6555511631031998/A06531/LNMV02/11C3FC333700@LNAL01> Message-ID: >I've got a few spare items for sale, if anybody is interested. (Apologies >to anyone who has seen it already!) If you're interested, E-mail me on > >guy.thomas at entoil.co.uk Somehow, my message got sent whilst i was editing it! I've also got a spare Live Chronicles Double LP in mint condition for a tenner! From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Mar 31 10:50:07 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:50:07 -0600 Subject: BOC: MISC. HF Message-ID: Well it had to happen. An opinion about opinions and inevitable comparisons to BOC's storied history. Not totally unexpected given the personality of the list. It's all good G. I simply listen to HF per the title of Queensryche's last album, HEAR IN THE NOW FRONTIER. This is where BOC is today 10 years after their last visit to the studio. This album is no Secret Treaties nor is it Club Ninja; simply, its kick ass rock and roll. Well you guys are entitled to feel whatever way you want about HF but I love it unconditionally. I will say the novelty has worn off but not my appreciation for the contents. It sounds good even after 50 plus playings. Quickies - Thank you FAQMAN, goes a long way to restoring my lost bookmarks. BTW - No expectations that WoM would be as good as DWD. DWD is one of four perfect albums (my definition only) in my book. I want this one bad but am secretly hoping the next one is not a concept album, more straightforward rock and roll like Edge of Thorns (personal fave BTW even though DWD is a perfect album.) Who took Theo's anti-inflammatory medication? Is Torgo kewl or what? Hopefully BOC will have added either Hammer Back or Damaged to the setlist by the time they hit Jaxx 4/17. I'm hoping for both but either would be fine. L8er Ghost in the Ruins "No pun intended, none recognized I'm sure." Dr. Frasier Crane Five in the player - BOC - HF Savatage - Gutter Ballet King's X - King's X Triumph - Thunder Seven Frank Marino & MR - Double Live (Killer Roadhouse Blues cover) From AgentOF at AOL.COM Tue Mar 31 11:19:56 1998 From: AgentOF at AOL.COM (Agent OF) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 11:19:56 EST Subject: BOC: BOC BBQ East Message-ID: Just a note to mention that a lot of us BOC fans will be getting together before the Baltimore gig (April 18th) for "The BOC BBQ East". Thanks to (That Flamer:-) Ted for setting up the venue. We will be partying at: T. Appleschmidt's Pub 6408 Baltimore National Pike Catonsville, MD 21228 410-744-5223 Too Hip For The Room will be playing there around 3PM and will be playing many originals and for those of you that don't know about THFTR, they play covers of BOC tunes. For example, on their new CD, they do a medley of DFTR and Burnin For You (complete with the real Buck participating). This medley breaks into West Side Story, Stray Cat Strut and Buck's Boogie! Special guests have been confirmed, so if you are in the area, drop in and have a beer and have some fun! Email me if you need more info. chuck http://www.j-and-a.com/rose.htm Miracles DO Happen, Take One The Ricky Browning Benefit Concert Featuring The Buck Dharma Band From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Mar 31 11:40:47 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 11:40:47 -0500 Subject: BOC: MISC. HF Message-ID: >Well it had to happen. An opinion about opinions and inevitable comparisons to BOC's storied history. Not totally unexpected given the personality of the list. It's all good G. RIGHT! Remember when we kept saying how we had nothing new regarding BOC to talk about? There were folks who joined BOC-L, only to quit a few months later because there was nothing new for a lot of us old- timers to talk about. And we always said, "Now, if/when they get a new album out...". Well, they did, and, true to our word, we're having lots of discussion - some positive, some negative - almost all thoughtful - as it should be here. >Well you guys are entitled to feel whatever way you want about HF but I love it unconditionally. I will say the novelty has worn off but not my appreciation for the contents. It sounds good even after 50 plus playings. I agree, although the novelty hasn't quite worn off - probably 'cuz I only listened to it about 15 times so far... ;-) >Quickies - Thank you FAQMAN, goes a long way to restoring my lost bookmarks. No sweat. Gotta do a little self-promotion every now and then... ;-) >Five in the player - 1. BOC - Heaven Forbid 2. Brain Surgeons - Box of Hammers 3. X Brothers - Solid Citizens 4. Panther Moderns - Red Star (John Shirley's rendition of SYIB is here) 5. Swamp Boogie Queen (SBQ) - ILL-Gotten Booty This last CD kicks, for those of you who haven't heard it - was also released on that fabled day of March 24th, 1998 From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Tue Mar 31 13:00:56 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Nebosuke) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:00:56 EST Subject: BOC: La Verne and Shirley and Buck Message-ID: Andy wrote: > the guy's "evil side" is turned away from her, so, like, we can see it, it's obvious, but she sees the handsome side So why doesn't she look happy? :-) >God as a big-haired American woman? What, you think God is Canadian? I think of this woman as the Baywatch Gaia myself...earthquake land, baby! -Chris Baker From Brizo777 at AOL.COM Tue Mar 31 13:06:57 1998 From: Brizo777 at AOL.COM (Brizo777) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:06:57 EST Subject: BOC: La Verne and Shirley and Buck Message-ID: John Swartz said: >>>Oh, shit! Gotta take back all those "dumb blond" jokes I made... ;-)<<< ROTFL......just in case hugh John......:-) I still wonder why people are calling her or that inner art ugly? I wonder if she was a brunette, would that have made a difference? From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Tue Mar 31 13:11:00 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Nebosuke) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:11:00 EST Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid Message-ID: Andy G wrote: > I guess England's different from the US in this respect, but BOC are so unhip here it hurts Nope, BOC haven't been hip in the US for over twenty years; the critics who didn't turn on 'em just jumped ship when punk hit (and a hit single was really the kiss of death). A whole lotta hip stuff has come and gone, though... -CB From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Tue Mar 31 13:21:15 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Nebosuke) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:21:15 EST Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid Message-ID: Andy G also wrote: > I don't really think of BOC as a sci-fi band Nor do I, and I think their reputation for it sprang in large part from the lasers. I remember a bunch of stuff at the time about how the lasers were there to emphasize the science-fiction aspects of the band, yakkity-yak...as though they needed an excuse to blind a bunch of stoned teenagers! -CB From dawa at INTCON.NET Tue Mar 31 13:25:13 1998 From: dawa at INTCON.NET (Dawa) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:25:13 -0600 Subject: BOC: My Heaven Forbid Review Message-ID: Troy, My thoughts and feelings about Heaven Forbid and the songs on it mirror yours. You have put your review in words much better than I could have so I dont think there is really much point in reviewing it myself. I think that was a very fair and even review. Thanks!!! At least you never stooped to bitching about little snippets of lyrics here and there which take away from the fact that taken on the whole, minor problems aside, Heaven Forbid is a *VERY* solid rock album. You know when I compare this record as a whole collection of songs to all the other SHIT!!! that is out there right now, it stands head and shoulders above anything I have heard for at least 5 or 6 years. Maybe I have lowered my standards because of that fact, I don't know. I'm just happy that BOC is back, with more albums to come, hopefully. Dawa ---------- From: John A Swartz Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 1998 7:22 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: BOC: My Heaven Forbid Review Troy: A most excellent review! I especially like the fact that you were able to review this with no bias from hearing any of the songs before. Most of us have heard at least a few of these songs a few times live - and some of us have probably heard a track like "Harvest Moon" live almost as many times as something like "ETI" (o.k., I'm exaggerating a bit). John -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2180 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Tue Mar 31 13:27:26 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Nebosuke) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:27:26 EST Subject: Followup to New on the List Message-ID: Ted Jackson Jr. wrote: > The ambiguity's still there. I think the guy's a stalker, not her > boyfriend. If he was her lover, he'd know for sure if the woman was > being beaten up. I think the dude is in love with her, and she > doesn't know it, and he's just daydreaming about her... Whoa! Killer insight! This would explain a couple of things...maybe she isn't being beaten at all...the blood on her coffee cup is lipstick, of course; who drinks coffee while their mouth is bleeding?...and the marks on her hands are from who knows what, she scraped her knuckles or something...he's not about to believe her, though, she's lying to him (just like all the others!), and that bastard is going underground... -CB From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Mar 31 12:45:41 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:45:41 EDT Subject: Followup to New on the List In-Reply-To: <6ef9c12c.35213590@aol.com> Message-ID: >> From: Nebosuke > Ted Jackson Jr. wrote: > > > The ambiguity's still there. I think the guy's a stalker, not her > > boyfriend. If he was her lover, he'd know for sure if the woman was > > being beaten up. I think the dude is in love with her, and she > > doesn't know it, and he's just daydreaming about her... > > Whoa! Killer insight! This would explain a couple of things...maybe she > isn't being beaten at all...the blood on her coffee cup is lipstick, of > course; who drinks coffee while their mouth is bleeding?...and the marks on > her hands are from who knows what, she scraped her knuckles or > something...he's not about to believe her, though, she's lying to him (just > like all the others!), and that bastard is going underground... > > -CB I thought this reading made the song even more sinister, like the husband would be killed for nothing! You still don't know for sure who killed him. And of course the guy singing the song could just be imagining that the wife is looking smug at the funeral while she could simply be choking back tears. Shirley gives a couple clues on the bocfanclub page which may [or may not] refute my interpretation, but I still like to think of it this way. Shirley says that the guy wants her to kill the husband, not that he's planning the murder himself. But Shirley does say that the woman is being abused...Oh well... From Allan.T.Grohe.Jr at MAIL.SPRINT.COM Tue Mar 31 14:10:44 1998 From: Allan.T.Grohe.Jr at MAIL.SPRINT.COM (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:10:44 -0600 Subject: off/other: Porcupine Tree/No Man info sought Message-ID: Hi all, Does anyone have a Steve Wilson/No Man (is that right?)/PTree discography? I'm trying track down some No Man (Nomad??), and came up with the following: Dry Cleaning Ray (on THSS label) How the West Was Won Whamon Express (both on SST) but I don't know if these are actually PTree's No Man, or some other band, etc. Any help would be appreciated! Allan. ObCD: Marillion, Afraid of the Sunlight ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Allan T. Grohe Jr. Technical Analyst, EIS Helpdesk 816 501 6393 http://lddhelpdesk/ From RBrent1044 at AOL.COM Tue Mar 31 15:09:01 1998 From: RBrent1044 at AOL.COM (RBrent1044) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:09:01 EST Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid Message-ID: Just a few quick thoughts on HF after about 20 listens........it is much better than I had expected. The only track I had ever heard before (other than "In Thee" of course) was "See You In Black" so the material was all new to me. In "Live For Me," I believe the lyric book says something to the effect of brother don't do me no wrong, but Buck sings about brother don't do no one wrong. I may be mishearing, let me know what you think. Also, does anyone else hear a ton of "Burning For You" music in "Live For Me" ? Certain breaks in the song seem very reminiscent. As a resident of South Florida (Fort Lauderdale to be exact) I have been spoiled over the years by numerous BOC concerts. Other than a last minute substitution in Pompano for a "summerdaze" like concert about 6 months ago, the boys haven't played hear since "Mr. Laffs" over 2 years ago. I don't see any South Florida dates on the bocfanclub site either. I wonder why we have been overlooked recently. I guess you can tell that I'm itching to hear "Harvest Moon" "Live For Me" and whatever else they plan to add to the setlist from HF. Or maybe I am just having BOC concert withdrawals after such a steady diet of appearances since "Spectres" (which is when I discovered them). Take care. Robert obCd: HF (what else?) From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Mar 31 14:29:17 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:29:17 EDT Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid In-Reply-To: <31d3c0c9.35214d60@aol.com> Message-ID: > > As a resident of South Florida (Fort Lauderdale to be exact) I have been > spoiled over the years by numerous BOC concerts. Other than a last minute > substitution in Pompano for a "summerdaze" like concert about 6 months ago, > the boys haven't played hear since "Mr. Laffs" over 2 years ago. I don't see > any South Florida dates on the bocfanclub site either. I wonder why we have > been overlooked recently. > They did play further north in FL, though. Didn't they just play Daytona? I know what you mean though. I saw them 4 times in nine months, from late '96-summer 97, but had to pass on a couple recent gigs that were just a bit too far away. I'm itching to hear more new stuff too. Two of those 4 gigs they didn't play ANY new stuff, and at one they played HM, and the other, HM and LfM. We want more! theo From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Tue Mar 31 15:29:52 1998 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:29:52 -0800 Subject: off/other: Porcupine Tree/No Man info sought Message-ID: Allan wrote: > Does anyone have a Steve Wilson/No Man (is that right?)/PTree > discography? I'm trying track down some No Man (Nomad??), and came up > with the following: > Dry Cleaning Ray (on THSS label) > How the West Was Won > Whamon Express (both on SST) I know that the No Man from SST is/was a two-man project featuring Roger Miller (from the seminal 80's Boston band Mission of Burma). Burma had to break up around '83 when Roger developed tinitis from too much noise! I saw them in '82 and it was an amazing show, but crushingly loud, and Roger was wearing these large ear protectors like hunters wear. Must have been a frustrating time. I saw No Man a few years ago and it was quite good, but mellower, with a drum machine. Sorry if this is more than you wanted to know. Chris From fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU Tue Mar 31 15:31:32 1998 From: fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU (William Fuller) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 11:31:32 -0900 Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I just wanted to clarify 2 things about my Heaven Forbid review: 1) I like the album, but I thought a sincerely critical review would be more interesting to read. 2) I learned about BOC in the early 1980s, the time of the Heavy Metal soundtrack, Fire of Unknown Origin, and the Black and Blue tour with Black Sabbath. Cultosaurus Erectus was the first album I heard by them, Black Blade the first song. So that's why I associate them so strongly with doom-n-gloom and sci-fi. -- William Fuller fswof at uaf.edu ICQ 1530842 http://members.tripod.com/~Zomb From talger at PIPELINE.COM Tue Mar 31 16:25:25 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted Alger) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:25:25 -0500 Subject: BOC: re:Heaven Forbid review In-Reply-To: <199803311438.JAA23450@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: >>Imaginos WASN'T REALLY a BOC album... > >I understand the point you were making, but despite being one >I'm not sure it was Ted's intent to dismiss Imaginos as "not a >BOC album", John, you're right....it wasn't my intention at all...in fact, Imaginos is one of my top 3.....the other 2 being Cultosaurus and ST... what I was getting at is that there was enough...irregularity?... in the way this one was put together, what with material and recording spanning almost 20 years and all the other artists involved that it really is a completely different beast from HF....and yes, they toured for it....in fact I saw them twice in Grand Rapids in support of it, but they soured on it pretty quickly. oh well, another late night missive gone partially misunderstood. so are you coming to Baltimore for the BBQ? the club is pretty cool! had a Corona there on Saturday as a matter of fact! Ted From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Tue Mar 31 16:55:15 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Nebosuke) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:55:15 EST Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid Message-ID: Robert wrote: > In "Live For Me," I believe the lyric book says something to the effect of brother don't do me no wrong, but Buck sings about brother don't do no one wrong. I may be mishearing, let me know what you think. No, you're not mishearing, and I don't believe that the lyric was ever written as it appears in the book. I think it's just one of the more egregious typos in there. -CB From ballen at UP.NET Tue Mar 31 17:50:32 1998 From: ballen at UP.NET (bryan allen) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:50:32 -0500 Subject: Followup to New on the List Message-ID: I dont see how ya can try to pin down a meaning so precicely in a song. I mean the artists intent is important but what the song means to me as an individual is whats important to me. If im a wife beater or a beaten wife or a child in a violent household all these individuals would interpret the song different because their reality is different. I love getting to the bottom of a lyric especially a cult lyric but i think there is room for and individuals reality to influence what it means to them. From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Mar 31 18:08:20 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:08:20 +0100 Subject: Followup to New on the List In-Reply-To: <201A5907B4D@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: At 07:55 31/03/98 EDT, you wrote: >> >> In JS' original lyric, it's "ouzo in our coffee". Now, I've got a cup of >> Gold Blend here, and there's still some duty-free ouzo left over from that >> holiday in Corfu... YAK indeed! >> >> - Andy > >Yikes! Lookout, Andy, we wouldn't want a 'coffee wars, part II' >going on to spoil the debut of HF? > > GOLD BLEND!!! OhmiGhod, Andy - DON'T DO IT If in doubt, get a life! From eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK Tue Mar 31 18:29:56 1998 From: eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK (eldritch) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:29:56 +0100 Subject: HW: EBS... Message-ID: Just kidding.... I'm renowned for buying Hawkwind LPs 5 at a time..... eldritch Love in space is atrocious though. I sold it after a week. From mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM Tue Mar 31 21:33:10 1998 From: mbraun at URBANA.CSS.MOT.COM (Matthew Braun) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:33:10 CST Subject: BOC: re:Heaven Forbid review In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 31 Mar 1998 05:00:41 CST." <199803311000.FAA29140@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Ted Alger writes: >I'll probably regret this, but..... And I this... :-) >>My review of Heaven Forbid. (Attribution, please? It was William Fuller you were whomping there...) >>Although it is obviously not fair to compare Heaven Forbid to Imaginos, >>such a comparision is inevitable considering it was the last original >>BOC studio album. >ok, since you say it's not fair....why do it? Ummm...because to him it is "inevitable" that a band's any two consecutive albums be compared to discuss how the band has changed/improved? >as many on this list are quick to tell you, Imaginos WASN'T REALLY a BOC >album...a comparison is really just not valid I agree with you, Ted, that the comparison isn't valid, but for a different reason: IMHO "Bad Channels" was their last original studio album. Yeah, I know, it had only two "songs" on it, and the rest of it was incidental music snippets, and it added nothing to "the mythology". On the other hand A) it had the band's name on it, and B) from the sounds of things, "Bad Channels" and HF's BOC isn't the mythological one of Meltzer and Perlman's world. Regardless of these arguments, I would say that it is primarily because of Buck's statement you included at the end of your posting that "Bad Channels" must be considered to be the previous BOC album, that is: "Bad Channels" was the last album because it was representative of BOC circa 1993. >>First of all, is it my imagination or was this album recorded much louder >>than other albums? Black Sabbath used to do this in the 1990s and it >>really pissed me off when I made mixed tapes, because all of a sudden >>one song was noticably louder than the others. >it's called mixing and mastering. CDs having a wider dynamic range than >vinyl....and most decent stereos have faders on them to adjust the output >level of a recording.....what exactly is the point of this comment? I *think* the point might have been to suggest that BOC was substituting volume for quality, or something like that. One trick of audio equipment salesmen is to play something on system A, and then play it on (the more expensive) system B slightly louder. This can trick people into thinking system B sounds better because "you can hear more". Or else it was just a random gripe. (I agree, "So what".) >>"He ain't never coming back" or "we'll get that bastard back"... >>Ok those aren't the greatest but it took me 5 minutes. They have had >>10 years! >it's pretty easy for someone who hasn't written the song to criticize... >the lyrics.... So it's unfair (unjust? whatever) for anyone except the author of the song to criticize the lyrics? That doesn't seem right. >>I am disappointed with most (certainly not all) of the lyrics. But on the >>whole I still like it. I recommend it to any fan of Blue Oyster Cult. >funny I would never have guessed you liked it He didn't like the lyrics. >methinks some people are just never satisfied. Some people had higher hopes. >while I'm not going to gush like some people do, I'm also thankful to have >music by a talented bunch of musicians with some (IMHO) really good songs I'm sure Mr. Fuller would agree. >again, I'll probably regret this in the morning, but what really is the >point of yet another review of an album that probably most of us have >heard and made up our own minds about by now? Because if we ain't gonna talk about the album (in reviews or whatever) what's the point of the !@#$#@ing list? We finally have a new album to talk about! I'd be surprised if it wasn't a "given" that all of the BOC fans on the list are going to buy the album. I don't think the point of the review was to persuade/dissuade anyone from buying it--it was to put forth his views of it. >especially when it's full of little bitches about "this could have been >done better" or "I would rather hear this"... especially when I haven't >recently seen any CDs with the name William Fuller on them? I'm afraid I couldn't see Mr. Fuller's so-called arrogance as you did, and must admit slight puzzlement to the degree with which you took him to task. Everyone's entitled to their opinions. Ironically, his review mirrored the album: just as he perceived the lyrics to be repetitious, you perceived his "bitchings" about them to be. :-) >as Buck said himself..this album represents where "BOC is at right now" >...not where they were 20 years ago, despite what some people might wish Except for those cases where it represents where they were six or seven years ago, since a few of the songs were first done in concert back then. :-) (Sorry--I'll stop now.) m@ who, believe it or not, is in fact glad that after 7 years of whining, BOC has finally put out an album with "Harvest Moon" on it, so he doesn't have to regret quite so deeply not recording the show he first heard it at back in 1991. From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Tue Mar 31 22:10:58 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:10:58 -0500 Subject: HW: EBS... Message-ID: eldritch wrote: > Just kidding.... > > I'm renowned for buying Hawkwind LPs 5 at a time..... > > eldritch > > Love in space is atrocious though. I sold it after a week. 'sa shame. EVERYONE knows that it takes 8 days of listening to really appreciate that album! ;) rj From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Mar 31 23:26:29 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:26:29 -0800 Subject: BOC: Random Stuff Message-ID: Froogin madly to my Edge of Thorns cd I offer the following random thoughts for consumption - Abestos vest on - Imaginos is a BOC album for goodness sakes. So what if everyone was not in the same room I see all of the usual suspects in the credits. Imaginos could have been so much more but thats all history now. Laverne, John ...Shirley smirley can ya sing along with the song? If so and your foot is tapping or your air guitaring/bassing isn't that enough? Try doing three part harmony with multiple chorus of Transmaniacon MC why dontcha? Hold it gotta get a beer in my hands.... got it. OK yeah and another thing lets put the cover debate to bed, the damn ting is ugly and does not represent tha band at all. I really don't buy this stuff about attracting a younger audience with it. Its cheesey and says nothing. Could CMC have done better, sure look at Overkill's cover, I like that one. The inner sleeve SWEET! Better safe than sorry there John but if I were a betting man I'd wager if god looked anything like that the hair would be red and the eyes green. All right back to fussing and stuffing each others reviews. Wait, come back here Martin, give us the professional scoop, ya know most of us only spend what little money we have on cd's and not fanzines. 8 more days til WoM. 8 months in and 98 has already been avery good year for music. Did Theo mention Coffe Wars II? Space in Your Face dude, I got Torgo blend, powerful stuff. Bring it on big daddy. Ghost in The Ruins Other in the player HF Space in Your Face - Galactic Cowboys Keeper of the Seven Keys I & II - Helloween Wounded Land - Threshold From MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Mar 22 11:30:00 1998 From: MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark P Lee) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 16:30:00 +0000 Subject: OFF: Chrimbo In-Reply-To: <199812221000.FAA19916@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Have a good one gang, may all your gifts meet all your expectations, and may they also come with receipts !!! Enjoy the season whether you beleive in it or not. Cheers all, Mark ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please reply to mark at esparto.demon.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~