From StevenTice at AOL.COM Mon Jun 1 02:43:10 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 02:43:10 EDT Subject: OFF: Health problems Message-ID: Hi, folks...sorry to go so far off topic, but I was wondering if anyone could point me toward an information source for health problems. I've been having pain in the region of my gall bladder for a number of months now, and I still don't know what it is... Billy Hilfiger (hey, there IS a tenuous connection to our topics here, I guess :-) advised me to have it checked immediately, but the ultrasound turned up nothing...but DID cost $500, and since I have no health insurance, I'll be paying that off for some time. Because of this I didn't get the liver and blood tests I was supposed to get--I couldn't afford them. So I still don't know what the problem is. But this and a couple of other more minor health problems have me worried enough that I want to find more information...unfortunately, despite some online searching, there is just so much out there that I don't know where to begin. Basically, I'm looking for a reliable source for information about gall bladder problems or health problems in general. Can anybody on BOC-L point me in the right direction? Thanks in advance for any assistance! Steven Tice Calliope Comics From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Jun 1 04:54:57 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:54:57 +0100 Subject: French Sci-Fi (was Re: OFF: GODZILLA REVIEW) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 30 May 1998 09:30:15 BST." <000001bd8ba5$2bb83880$833f63c3@default> Message-ID: Andy Sez- > > Lessee - France isn't known for sf cinema at all, so the fact the _Le > Cinquieme Element_ was _vachement merdique_ isn't necessarily to be held > against them in general; how about Godard's _Alphaville_ (with a character > called Lemmy Caution, which is as about as on-topic as I can make this :), > Vadim's _Barbarella_...? Howbout the impenetrable 80's post apocalypse film, _The Last Warrior_ ? The french maybe make crap sf, but they make the coolest crime/thrillers. > ObCD: The New Christs - _Distemper_! ^^^^^^^^^ I guess you're happy now ! :) Tim obCD: DJ Shadow ...Entroducing From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Jun 1 05:44:26 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:44:26 +0100 Subject: HW: Smoke Dreams ICU In-Reply-To: <1230091428041998/A04643/LNMV02/11C4E3891D00*@MHS> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, LN1GJT wrote: > "Pass Out" was issued on CD a few years back with some bonus live trax (mostly > HW covers). > > Personally, though my favourite ICU album was New Anatomy! > > The first album is availlable from Andi G. at CDS in Scotland, by Mail Order. Sorry again to pick up on an old thread, but is this an on-line service? If not, can someone post its address? Cheers, Jon From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Mon Jun 1 07:38:14 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:38:14 +0100 Subject: Health problems In-Reply-To: <9a88b57b.35724d7f@aol.com> Message-ID: I had exactly this problem for about 3-4 years - ultrascan turned up nothing, liver and blood tests nothing - in the end it turned out to be an allergy. Kevin Perry Technical Manager Wide Multimedia http://www.wide.co.uk/ > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On Behalf Of Steven Tice > Sent: 01 June 1998 12:37 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: OFF: Health problems > > Hi, folks...sorry to go so far off topic, but I was wondering > if anyone could > point me toward an information source for health problems. > I've been having > pain in the region of my gall bladder for a number of months > now, and I still > don't know what it is... Billy Hilfiger (hey, there IS a > tenuous connection > to our topics here, I guess :-) advised me to have it checked > immediately, but > the ultrasound turned up nothing...but DID cost $500, and > since I have no > health insurance, I'll be paying that off for some time. > Because of this I > didn't get the liver and blood tests I was supposed to get--I > couldn't afford > them. So I still don't know what the problem is. But this > and a couple of > other more minor health problems have me worried enough that > I want to find > more information...unfortunately, despite some online > searching, there is just > so much out there that I don't know where to begin. > > Basically, I'm looking for a reliable source for information > about gall > bladder problems or health problems in general. Can anybody > on BOC-L point me > in the right direction? Thanks in advance for any assistance! > > Steven Tice > Calliope Comics From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Jun 1 08:04:51 1998 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:04:51 +1000 Subject: OFF: net cast on muzic.com Message-ID: On 29 May 98, at 10:12, Jon Browne wrote about Re: OFF: net cast on muzic.com: > In article , Soniqu? L.PCMICRO.COM.AU> writes >If you like Hawkwind, you're going to love the > british >psychedelic instrumental rock sounds of Ozric Tenacles. > > _like_ Hawkwind, _love_ the Ozrics? > Are you sure? They weren't my words .. that'll teach me for not adding a disclaimer :) Soniqu? From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jun 1 08:59:14 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:59:14 -0400 Subject: BOC: chart debut Message-ID: >boc and "harvest moon" debuted on the latest radio & records rock chart at #48, Cool! Do they have a website where I can check this out, or how did you find out this info? >nuzzled between gov't mule and swamp boogie queen Swamp Boogie Queen is a pretty cool band, as I've posted here few times. Check out their website (www.swampboogiequeen.com) for some song samples from their debut CD, "Ill Gotten Booty". > did they chart with "see you in black"? or would this make boc's first (commercial) radio chart appearance since the '80s? I don't think SYIB charted. If "Astronomy" didn't chart (and it may not have), then I suspect "Dancin' in the Ruins" was their last single that charted. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jun 1 09:18:28 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:18:28 -0400 Subject: BOC: Reverse fungus/Real World Message-ID: >What really worried me was the page on the fan club website where John Shirley explains his lyrics... Surely one of the more unnecessary things on the web? Huh? What's the big deal? Why wouldn't the lyricist of most of BOC's latest tunes explaining his interpretation of them be of interest to BOC fans? BTW, this information was published in the fanclub's newsletter, and I suspect it was put on the fanclub website since it was available to them readily. John From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 1 09:29:53 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:29:53 +0100 Subject: HW: Private gig In-Reply-To: Keith Henderson's message of Fri, 29 May 1998 21:23:40 -0400 Message-ID: Keith Henderson writes: > Hi Folks... > > Well, this is on a bit different subject than where to hold this thing or > who to join in with... > > But I have been noticing that the people running the ProgDay festival here > in the states (No. Carolina I think) have been doing an internet > fund-raising auction as a means of financial support. What I mean is that > they've asked a whole slew of different prog artists (presumably many who > have nothing to do with this particular event) to send in a few autographed > items (CDs, etc.) that anyone can bid on, the proceeds going to pay to bring > the bands overseas, etc. > > I dunno, could we do something like this, above and beyond (or perhaps as > part of) the personal donations? Hell, just take bids for the right to do the lyrics for "Sonic Attack" onstage with the band. I reckon it's feasible. FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 1 09:33:40 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:33:40 +0100 Subject: HW: looks rather nice for a comp for a change? In-Reply-To: Jonathan Jarrett's message of Sat, 30 May 1998 22:47:14 +0100 Message-ID: Jonathan Jarrett writes: > > The Remasters series and Stasis have this covered apart from: > > > > D-Rider : the edited version on the US EP in 1974 > > Damnation Alley Part II : the cut on the B side of Hassan I Sabha > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Whassis? Just what it says. Though actually it's just a cut version of good ol' Damnation Alley. > Jon (back on again) FoFP From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Mon Jun 1 10:47:53 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:47:53 +0000 Subject: HW: Smoke Dreams ICU In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Jon, > Sorry again to pick up on an old thread, but is this an on-line > service? If not, can someone post its address? Cheers, > Jon Don't know about an on-line service, but call Andy G on: +44-(0)1282-776595 +44-(0)1282-736702 (fax) 40/42 Brantwood Avenue, Dundee, DD3 6EW, UK He also has a web site: http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/andygee/ Don't forget to place an order for KREL's "AD ASTRA" CD. It really is ****ing awesome stuff! I'm still not on commission for KREL - maybe I should be!!! One of Space-Rocks most under-rated bands - ever! Guy Thomas From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Jun 1 09:52:52 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 06:52:52 -0700 Subject: boc go dance Message-ID: >Just got this through from www.rocknetwork.com in there news letter. >BLUE OYSTER CULT to remix "Godzilla" into funky dance >version to cash in on movie... >That`s all it says. The site I believe is run by Metal Hammer >magazine. >Si It could work I guess. I still like the idea of someone like George Clinton adding P-funk to ETI. L8er Ghost in the Ruins From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Jun 1 10:07:56 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:07:56 +0100 Subject: HW: Smoke Dreams ICU In-Reply-To: <0253471401061998/A06431/LNMV02/11C60BAF3400*@MHS> Message-ID: > > Don't know about an on-line service, but call Andy G on: > > +44-(0)1282-776595 > +44-(0)1282-736702 (fax) > 40/42 Brantwood Avenue, Dundee, DD3 6EW, UK NB this is not me! I've experienced confusion about this in the past - his last name's "Garibaldi", like the biscuits. - Andy PS there's tons of Internet mail order places too - I like http://www.cybercd.de at the moment because they found The New Christs' _Distemper_ for only DM22,95 + p&p, and http://www.cdzone.co.uk is a good UK-based outfit. mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Jun 1 10:14:39 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:14:39 +0100 Subject: BOC: Am I alone in thinking this? (was revamped set) In-Reply-To: <19980501095416.3885.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 May 1998, Horse Whisperer wrote: > > With _Agents of Fortune_, BOC acquired a more polished sound, but > >also a more dynamic mix, IMO. > > > >Cheers, > >Carl > > I'm gonna get my ass busted for this, but..... > > Whilst acquiring a better sound and mix, they added in a 60% keek song > mix. > > The first 3 studio albums, the live albums and Imaginos are the only BOC > LP's I can listen to from start to finish. > >From AoF onwards, cohesion and most of what they were _vanished_, on LP > anyway. IMO. > > Chris. Actually, I agree here, though I think 'Cultosaurus Erectus' is an exception, and I find it hard to finish 'Imaginos'. But then, I only have the tape - does anyone still see the CD? Jon J. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Jun 1 10:27:55 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:27:55 +0100 Subject: BOC: Am I alone in thinking this? (was revamped set) In-Reply-To: <704528.3103012968@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 May 1998, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Naw, I agreefor the most part. BOC were more coherent and spookier > before they escaped from Pearlman :) _Imaginos_, as we know, would have > been a marvelous return to form had it actually been a "BOC" album :) > > BOC has always had a mix of awesome and duff tracks on its later > albums, IMO. Actually, there are a few tracks on the early albums which > I'm not wild about, but what the heck. > > Shouldn't people be slagging off (er) "Teen Archer" (isn't it?) for > its enormously repetitive lyrics. Surely Shirley was no worse!? :) But the thing about 'Teen Archer' is that, yes, granted, it's repetitive, but can you tell what it's about? A teenage Cupid, yes possibly, but what's all the rest of it? Jon J. From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Mon Jun 1 10:29:48 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:29:48 +0100 Subject: BOC: revamped set In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 1 May 1998, BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: > I think it was more Columbia records not affording the band first class > treatment until they proved they could turn a profit. The band should > do a few more songs from this time period (BOC & T&M), Stairways in > particular is an awesome opening number. One could only imagine what > some of thos songs would sound like now. 'Stairway' sounded pretty good back in 1995... From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Jun 1 10:35:51 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (David Hardman) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:35:51 +0100 Subject: BOC: Am I alone in thinking this? (was revamped set) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Jun 1998, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > > The first 3 studio albums, the live albums and Imaginos are the only BOC > > LP's I can listen to from start to finish. > > >From AoF onwards, cohesion and most of what they were _vanished_, on LP > > anyway. IMO. > > > > Chris. > > Actually, I agree here, though I think 'Cultosaurus Erectus' is an > exception, and I find it hard to finish 'Imaginos'. But then, I only have > the tape - does anyone still see the CD? I find it hard to finish any LP by anyone these days, but maybe that's just cos music generally doesn't grab me in the way it used to. That said, I think you're a little hard on the Oyster Boys. Club Ninja aside, even the weaker cuts on most albums are still pretty darn good. I often see Imaginos in the larger record stores, Virgin, HMV, but maybe that's just London. I did see a 2nd hand Imaginos this weekend for 6.99 sterling in Polar Bear records in Leeds. Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman HCI Design Centre School of Informatics City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Mon Jun 1 11:58:24 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:58:24 +0000 Subject: HW: Smoke Dreams ICU In-Reply-To: <000101bd8d66$ad1ecf20$7c3f63c3@default> Message-ID: >> >> Don't know about an on-line service, but call Andy G on: >> >> +44-(0)1282-776595 >> +44-(0)1282-736702 (fax) >> 40/42 Brantwood Avenue, Dundee, DD3 6EW, UK > > >NB this is not me! I've experienced confusion about this in the past - his >last name's "Garibaldi", like the biscuits. > >- Andy Hi Andy, Next time I sing the praise of Andy G, I'll mention squashed flies and the fact that it's supposed to be Andy G at CDS (Compact Disc Services) Woops Guy T. PS to stop the confusion, is your familly name in the vein of biccies too, or are you more of a savoury delicacy familly - Gimme a plate of popadums,some Bombay Duck and a good dollop of lime pickle any day! PPS (Aside of the infamous Khan's in Westbourne Grove) the best curry house in the world is The Saqui, Ham Parade, Kingston, Surrey UK. From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Jun 1 07:18:10 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:18:10 +0000 Subject: boc go dance Message-ID: > Just got this through from www.rocknetwork.com in there news letter. > > BLUE OYSTER CULT to remix "Godzilla" into funky dance version to cash in > on movie... > > That`s all it says. The site I believe is run by Metal Hammer magazine. > > Si How do we stop this?! Actually, we're already sort of too late. A couple years ago I was at a bar and I heard a dance remix of 'Reaper'...NO KIDDING! No idea if BOC had anything to do with it or even knew it existed though. -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Jun 1 07:18:10 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:18:10 +0000 Subject: BOC: Radio air time Message-ID: > Over the last couple of weeks BOC has been getting quite a lot of air > time on the local "Classic and Best of New Rock" station here in Tulsa. > (KMOD, 97.5 FM). I have heard Harvest Moon at least 5 times, and of > those 3 were attached to one or more other BOC songs. What is weird is > that the other BOC song played is NEVER one of "The big three". > > What I have heard with Harvest Moon is: > "Astronomy" > "Take Me Away" > "Death Valley Nights" Definitely sounds like you've got a DJ or an MD who knows his BOC. Call the station and inquire. You might make an ally who can keep them cutting up the airwaves in your area. Sigh. Wish we were all so lucky! I'd be surprised if one radio pro in this area could even name a BOC tune. -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Jun 1 07:21:21 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:21:21 +0000 Subject: BOC: Am I alone in thinking this? (was revamped set) Message-ID: > On Mon, 1 Jun 1998, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > > > > The first 3 studio albums, the live albums and Imaginos are the only BOC > > > LP's I can listen to from start to finish. > > > >From AoF onwards, cohesion and most of what they were _vanished_, on LP > > > anyway. IMO. > > > > > > Chris. > > > > Actually, I agree here, though I think 'Cultosaurus Erectus' is an > > exception, and I find it hard to finish 'Imaginos'. But then, I only have > > the tape - does anyone still see the CD? > > > I find it hard to finish any LP by anyone these days, but maybe that's > just cos music generally doesn't grab me in the way it used to. That said, > I think you're a little hard on the Oyster Boys. Club Ninja aside, even > the weaker cuts on most albums are still pretty darn good. You gotta remember too...ALL OF BOC, with the exception of HF, is pretty damn old by now. Sometimes an album's weaker cuts get stronger with age, but most often, they just get weaker. -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Jun 1 07:22:43 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:22:43 +0000 Subject: BOC: revamped set Message-ID: > On Fri, 1 May 1998, BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: > > > I think it was more Columbia records not affording the band first class > > treatment until they proved they could turn a profit. The band should > > do a few more songs from this time period (BOC & T&M), Stairways in > > particular is an awesome opening number. One could only imagine what > > some of thos songs would sound like now. > > 'Stairway' sounded pretty good back in 1995... > I LOVE Stairway as the opener. I've never seen them use anything else...of course, I haven't seen them in a year or two. -- Nick From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Jun 1 11:14:29 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:14:29 +0100 Subject: HW: Smoke Dreams ICU In-Reply-To: <6224581501061998/A07273/LNMV02/11C60BFA1800*@MHS> Message-ID: > > Next time I sing the praise of Andy G, I'll mention squashed > flies and the fact > that it's supposed to be Andy G at CDS (Compact Disc Services) > You can always sing my praises if you like, of course! :) > PS to stop the confusion, is your familly name in the vein of > biccies too, or > are you more of a savoury delicacy familly - Gimme a plate of > popadums,some > Bombay Duck and a good dollop of lime pickle any day! No, we're Norman French or something. Kentish peasants actually, but you can dream! :) > > PPS (Aside of the infamous Khan's in Westbourne Grove) the best > curry house in > the world is The Saqui, Ham Parade, Kingston, Surrey UK. > Best restaurant I've been to in ages was the Bath House, in Yazd, Iran. It's in the old town so it's quite tricky to find, but it's well worth the effort. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Jun 1 07:29:14 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:29:14 +0000 Subject: BOC: Reverse fungus/Real World Message-ID: > > >, and any song with the > > > lyric "I live for rock and roll" is immediately suspect anyway! Especially > > > when it rhymes with "soul"... And the chorus to "X-ray Eyes" is really > > > irritating. > > > > That line is clearly a bit of satire...As is the rest of the song... > > > > theo > > > Sorry to pick up such an old thread, but I've been away... I > started to really like 'Hammer Back' once I decided it was satirical, but > is this something we can say about every song on the album? I'm not sure > 'Damaged' isn't supposed to be sincere... What really worried me was the > page on the fan club website where John Shirley explains his lyrics... > Surely one of the more unnecessary things on the web? > Jon J. It never matters to me what the lyrics to a song are, as long as they're not, like, pro-pedophilia or something. Sure, Hammer Back is a little goony, as is 'I live for rock and roll'...but we could easily go into anyone's back catalogue, including BOC's, and find something corny. 'Cities on flame with rock and roll'? Great riff, but exactly how deep are these lyrics? -- Nick From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Jun 1 11:17:32 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:17:32 +0100 Subject: boc go dance In-Reply-To: <19980601150907.AAA11065@[208.214.94.69]> Message-ID: > How do we stop this?! Actually, we're already sort of too late. A > couple years ago I was at a bar and I heard a dance remix of > 'Reaper'...NO KIDDING! No idea if BOC had anything to do with it or > even knew it existed though. > > -- Nick That wouldn't have been the Apollo 440 version, by any chance? I don't see what's so bad about the idea, anyway? - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Jun 1 11:21:28 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (David Hardman) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:21:28 +0100 Subject: boc go dance In-Reply-To: <19980601150907.AAA11065@[208.214.94.69]> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Jun 1998, Nick English wrote: > > BLUE OYSTER CULT to remix "Godzilla" into funky dance version to cash in > > on movie... > How do we stop this?! Actually, we're already sort of too late. A > couple years ago I was at a bar and I heard a dance remix of > 'Reaper'...NO KIDDING! No idea if BOC had anything to do with it or > even knew it existed though. Why stop it? I'd quite like to hear it, & if it brings BOC to a wider audience then all power to them. The REaper remix was Apollo 440, whoever they may be. D ****************************************************************************** David Hardman HCI Design Centre School of Informatics City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Jun 1 07:46:35 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:46:35 +0000 Subject: boc go dance Message-ID: I wasn't serious when I said we should stop this. Doesn't matter one way or the other to me. But it's completely naive to think it'll expose BOC to a wider audience or increase sales or something like that. NFW a dance remix of Zilla or Reaper would inspire your average clubber to discover 70s metal. -- Nick From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Jun 1 12:15:20 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (David Hardman) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:15:20 +0100 Subject: HW: Smoke Dreams ICU In-Reply-To: <000201bd8d6f$f960d140$7c3f63c3@default> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Jun 1998, Andy Gilham wrote: > Best restaurant I've been to in ages was the Bath House, in Yazd, Iran. > It's in the old town so it's quite tricky to find, but it's well worth the > effort. Sounds great! What's the best bus route from Clerkenwell? ;) ****************************************************************************** David Hardman HCI Design Centre School of Informatics City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jun 1 13:27:44 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:27:44 +0000 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet, _Powertrip_ Message-ID: Goddam. Does Monster Magnet rip off Hawkwind's "Time We Left (This World Today)" riff on "Bummer" or *what*? :) The verdict so far: I like it. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Mon Jun 1 12:25:00 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:25:00 +0100 Subject: Clerkenwell In-Reply-To: <0253471401061998/A06431/LNMV02/11C60BAF3400*@MHS> Message-ID: Who was looking for a bus from Clerkenwell? Is that where you are? I'm just up the road (well, work just up the road) - weird. Kevin Perry Technical Manager Wide Multimedia http://www.wide.co.uk/ From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Jun 1 12:43:42 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (David Hardman) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:43:42 +0100 Subject: Clerkenwell In-Reply-To: <001901bd8d79$b3a5aae0$2e1ec8c3@desknt_04.wide.co.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Jun 1998, Kevin Perry wrote: > Who was looking for a bus from Clerkenwell? Is that where you are? I'm > just up the road (well, work just up the road) - weird. Me, yes indeedy, oft seen propping up the bar at the Three Kings opposite St James Church. Are you going to the gig on Wednesday? Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman HCI Design Centre School of Informatics City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Mon Jun 1 12:48:03 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:48:03 +0100 Subject: Clerkenwell In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Which gig (he asks in a very embarrassed voice)? Kevin Perry Technical Manager Wide Multimedia http://www.wide.co.uk/ > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On Behalf Of David Hardman > Sent: 01 June 1998 17:47 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: Clerkenwell > > On Mon, 1 Jun 1998, Kevin Perry wrote: > > > Who was looking for a bus from Clerkenwell? Is that where > you are? I'm > > just up the road (well, work just up the road) - weird. > > Me, yes indeedy, oft seen propping up the bar at the Three > Kings opposite > St James Church. Are you going to the gig on Wednesday? > > Dave > > ************************************************************** > **************** > > David Hardman > HCI Design Centre > School of Informatics > City University > Northampton Square > London EC1V 0HB > > Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 > Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 > E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk > ************************************************************** > *************** From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Jun 1 13:59:23 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (David Hardman) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:59:23 +0100 Subject: Clerkenwell In-Reply-To: <001a01bd8d7c$ec553470$2e1ec8c3@desknt_04.wide.co.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Jun 1998, Kevin Perry wrote: > Which gig (he asks in a very embarrassed voice)? Errr....you know, BOC at the Astoria? :) I take it you only read the HW posts! D ****************************************************************************** David Hardman HCI Design Centre School of Informatics City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 1 15:17:35 1998 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 19:17:35 GMT Subject: hw: ICU gig/NEWSFLASH In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 31 May 1998 17:55:20 +0100, you sent through the ether: >Whooahhh!!!!!!!!"?$%^&*() > > yuk yuk yuk! -S. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jun 1 15:37:35 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:37:35 EDT Subject: boc go dance In-Reply-To: <000301bd8d70$65e06420$7c3f63c3@default> Message-ID: > From: Andy Gilham > Subject: Re: boc go dance > > How do we stop this?! Actually, we're already sort of too late. A > > couple years ago I was at a bar and I heard a dance remix of > > 'Reaper'...NO KIDDING! No idea if BOC had anything to do with it or > > even knew it existed though. > > > > -- Nick > > That wouldn't have been the Apollo 440 version, by any chance? > > I don't see what's so bad about the idea, anyway? > > - Andy I've got a strange version of DFtR by the Goo Goo Dolls, of all people... theo .................. "...Cause it makes me mad, And I get evil as a man can be." --A.K. ............................... From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Mon Jun 1 16:52:50 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (rich-l) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:52:50 +0000 Subject: BOC Astoria / Tape swap/ comics stuff was (Re: hw: ICU gig/NEWSFLASH) Message-ID: > >NERDS.. probably kept their comics too.. > > > >-S > > Whooahhh!!!!!!!!"$%^&*() > > > -- > Jon Whoops. Just dug all my old comics out of the loft... Are we still meeting at the Angel for BOC Astoria? (Out of it for a while!) Mail me at this address if plans have changed... Last time I ran into any BOC-Lers it was in MacDonalds after Hawkwind at Coney Island High. Can't say I remember much of the gig, but, hey... shit happens... What are folks comments on the tapes they got through the tape swap? Christian sent me his - I think he liked it, but I'm not sure. Maybe the Lawnmower Deth got to his head! Cheers, Rich. ** "How's it goin', Pulger?" ** From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Jun 1 16:45:12 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:45:12 +0100 Subject: BOC Astoria / Tape swap/ comics stuff was (Re: hw: ICU gig/NEWSFLASH) In-Reply-To: <3573149D.5725@geocities.com> Message-ID: Rich asked > Are we still meeting at the Angel for BOC Astoria? I think so! > What are folks comments on the tapes they got through the tape swap? > Christian sent me his - I think he liked it, but I'm not sure. Maybe > the Lawnmower Deth got to his head! Well, I didn't receive one yet (for perfectly good reasons), but you got my tape, didn't you? Enough Deviants, New Christs, and poetry in French while a dog barks in the background on there for anyone, I'd have thought :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Mon Jun 1 19:04:09 1998 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:04:09 +0000 Subject: boc go dance In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1 Jun 98 at 16:21, David Hardman wrote: > On Mon, 1 Jun 1998, Nick English wrote: > > > > BLUE OYSTER CULT to remix "Godzilla" into funky dance version to cash in > > > on movie... > > > How do we stop this?! Actually, we're already sort of too late. A > > couple years ago I was at a bar and I heard a dance remix of > > 'Reaper'...NO KIDDING! No idea if BOC had anything to do with it or > > even knew it existed though. > > Why stop it? I'd quite like to hear it, & if it brings BOC to a > wider audience then all power to them. The REaper remix was Apollo > 440, whoever they may be. Apollo 440 also did an "Orgone Accumulator remix" of Astral America on an earlier 12" of theirs. Not sure what to make of them; I nearly put Krupa on my boc-l tape - their early stuff includes a few really excellent techno sounds; Liquid Cool is a real classy single, but Millenium Fever (the album which includes Don't Fear The Reaper - also released on 12" with various mixes) is kind of a mixed bag. I fear Apollo 440 never lived up to their early promise, least not on their albums. 'Course the Van Halen thing they did rocked, as did Krupa... but the DFTR thing semed pointless i always thought. Alasdair -- Page me online: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 Send me E-mail Express direct to my screen: 1573250 at pager.mirabilis.com alimac at netcomuk.co.uk (Alasdair Macdonald) From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Jun 1 18:14:58 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:14:58 +0100 Subject: French Sci-Fi (was Re: OFF: GODZILLA REVIEW) In-Reply-To: <199806010854.JAA20655@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: At 09:54 01/06/98 +0100, you wrote: > >Tim > > >obCD: DJ Shadow ...Entroducing That's two of us ;-{)> ChrisW NP: Spiritualized/"Ladies & Gentlemen " Free your mind & watch your ass! From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Jun 1 18:27:11 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:27:11 +0100 Subject: boc go dance In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 06:52 01/06/98 -0700, you wrote: >>Just got this through from www.rocknetwork.com in there news letter. > >>BLUE OYSTER CULT to remix "Godzilla" into funky dance >version to cash in on >movie... > >>That`s all it says. The site I believe is run by Metal Hammer >magazine. > >>Si > >It could work I guess. I still like the idea of someone like George >Clinton adding P-funk to ETI. > > >L8er >Ghost in the Ruins > Mmmmmmmm Bootsy on bass! But Eddie Hazel's gone, so who's to play guitar? Have you (or anybody 'round these here parts checked) out "Funkronomicon"? ChrisW Free your mind & watch your ass! From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Jun 1 18:36:36 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:36:36 +0100 Subject: HW: Smoke Dreams ICU In-Reply-To: <000201bd8d6f$f960d140$7c3f63c3@default> Message-ID: At 16:14 01/06/98 +0100, you wrote: > >Best restaurant I've been to in ages was the Bath House, in Yazd, Iran. >It's in the old town so it's quite tricky to find, but it's well worth the >effort. > >- Andy > Gotta be worth a Poseur of the week award! ChrisW Free your mind & watch your ass! From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Jun 1 18:32:44 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:32:44 +0100 Subject: BOC: Am I alone in thinking this? (was revamped set) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 15:14 01/06/98 +0100, Jon J. wrote: > > Actually, I agree here, though I think 'Cultosaurus Erectus' is an >exception, and I find it hard to finish 'Imaginos'. But then, I only have >the tape - does anyone still see the CD? > I have seen a copy in the last year or so, but I'm blowed if I can remember where :( It might have been in Kingston when I was working there. Hmmm - this is going to bug the hell out of me until bedtime ChrisW Free your mind & watch your ass! From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Jun 1 18:58:42 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:58:42 +0100 Subject: boc go dance In-Reply-To: <19980601153726.AAA26154@[208.214.94.69]> Message-ID: At 11:46 01/06/98 +0000, you wrote: >I wasn't serious when I said we should stop this. Doesn't matter one >way or the other to me. But it's completely naive to think it'll >expose BOC to a wider audience or increase sales or something like >that. NFW a dance remix of Zilla or Reaper would inspire your average >clubber to discover 70s metal. > >-- Nick Maybe not, but there's certainly some fertile hybridization possibilities - I heard some amazing stuff at "Science Fiction" nights at The Fridge acouple of years back - and not just due to better living through pharmacology ;-{)> It's probably the case that what I heard would go down better with "the other side" of this list, but I think it would have shocked most rock fans out of any preconceptions that they might have about "dance" & "techno". ChrisW Free your mind & watch your ass! From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Jun 1 18:18:48 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:18:48 +0100 Subject: HW: Private gig In-Reply-To: <199806011329.OAA26211@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 14:29 01/06/98 +0100, you wrote: > >Hell, just take bids for the right to do the lyrics for "Sonic Attack" >onstage with the band. I reckon it's feasible. > >FoFP What a wonderful idea Unfortunately, I'm sure I'd be outbid by one of you megafans! Cheers, ChrisW Free your mind & watch your ass! From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Jun 1 19:01:03 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:01:03 +0100 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet, _Powertrip_ In-Reply-To: <644092.3105710864@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 17:27 01/06/98 +0000, you wrote: > Goddam. Does Monster Magnet rip off Hawkwind's "Time We Left >(This World Today)" riff on "Bummer" or *what*? :) > > The verdict so far: I like it. > >-- Seen on a Polygram "Listening post" in 101 records in Croydon! I liked the snippet I heard (only a snippet, son in tow!) - it's the first time I've come across them apart from there mentions on the list. ChrisW Free your mind & watch your ass! From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Jun 1 19:28:28 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:28:28 +0100 Subject: Health problems In-Reply-To: <000e01bd8d51$a47b3fd0$2e1ec8c3@desknt_04.wide.co.uk> Message-ID: At 12:38 01/06/98 +0100, you wrote: >I had exactly this problem for about 3-4 years - ultrascan turned up >nothing, liver and blood tests nothing - in the end it turned out to be an >allergy. > >Kevin Perry >Technical Manager >Wide Multimedia >http://www.wide.co.uk/ > Kevin, I hope you don't mind me asking, but could you tell me more - my girlfriend's been laid low with something like this since last autumn: she's been so ill that she's having trouble finishing her final year dissertation, but two ultrasounds and a couple of stays in hospital have done nothing so far. Feel free to ignore, or tell me to piss-off for intruding, but a big THANK-YOU for giving us some hope for a solution. Thanks again, ChrisW Free your mind & watch your ass! From mordru at GEKKO.NET Mon Jun 1 23:48:18 1998 From: mordru at GEKKO.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:48:18 -0400 Subject: tBS: Trepalert Message-ID: about 10:45 EST, discovery channel was showing some kind of trepanation program. Showed footage of some tribal doctor in Africa doing trepanation, then going over and treating healing wounds on people, mentioned he had about a 75% survival rate, and showed a bunch of skulls.... ==================================== Roger Shrubstaff, GM of Reeves == Tension, Duchy of Silverwater == Apprehension, http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm= and Dissension (Andrew A. Apold) == have begun. ==================================== -Alfred Bester From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Tue Jun 2 01:22:19 1998 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (Peter Worley) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:22:19 -0700 Subject: BOC: Am I alone in thinking this? (was revamped set) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Jun 1998, Jonathan Jarrett wrote: > On Fri, 1 May 1998, Horse Whisperer wrote: > > > > With _Agents of Fortune_, BOC acquired a more polished sound, but > > >also a more dynamic mix, IMO. > > > > > >Cheers, > > >Carl > > > > I'm gonna get my ass busted for this, but..... > > > > Whilst acquiring a better sound and mix, they added in a 60% keek song > > mix. > > > > The first 3 studio albums, the live albums and Imaginos are the only BOC > > LP's I can listen to from start to finish. > > >From AoF onwards, cohesion and most of what they were _vanished_, on LP > > anyway. IMO. > > > > Chris. > > Actually, I agree here, though I think 'Cultosaurus Erectus' is an > exception, and I find it hard to finish 'Imaginos'. But then, I only have > the tape - does anyone still see the CD? > Jon J. > I think 'Spectres' is also an exception to this. Regarding CE, what about 'The Marshall Plan'? That's the one BOC song I can't stand to listen to. -- Peter William Worley inhaler at u.washington.edu From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Tue Jun 2 01:26:18 1998 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (Peter Worley) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:26:18 -0700 Subject: BOC Bootleg EP Message-ID: I saw a 12" vinyl album in a plain white sleeve titled 'BOC Bootleg EP' in a record store the other day, hung up on the wall and listed for about $70, if I remember correctly. Is this representative of some of the collectors stuff out there? I didn't think a band with as little 'popular presence' as BOC would demand such prices for this kind of thing, but then I don't collect much (for the sake of collection, anyhow). -Pete -- Peter William Worley inhaler at u.washington.edu From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Tue Jun 2 04:08:36 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:08:36 +0100 Subject: Clerkenwell In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mainly - nothing against BOC (I do like them), but most of the posts mean virtually nothing to me... OT(ish) - do you know of any musicians round Clerkenweel/east London who'd be interested in some making some HW (BOC?) style music? Kevin Perry Technical Manager Wide Multimedia http://www.wide.co.uk/ > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On Behalf Of David Hardman > Sent: 02 June 1998 08:59 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: Clerkenwell > > On Mon, 1 Jun 1998, Kevin Perry wrote: > > > Which gig (he asks in a very embarrassed voice)? > > Errr....you know, BOC at the Astoria? :) > I take it you only read the HW posts! From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 1 12:03:19 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:03:19 +0100 Subject: HW: Smoke Dreams ICU In-Reply-To: <6224581501061998/A07273/LNMV02/11C60BFA1800*@MHS> Message-ID: In article <6224581501061998/A07273/LNMV02/11C60BFA1800*@MHS>, LN1GJT writes >PPS (Aside of the infamous Khan's in Westbourne Grove) the best curry house in >the world is The Saqui, Ham Parade, Kingston, Surrey UK. It is in fact, very good, yes. You local, Guy? -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 1 12:09:31 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:09:31 +0100 Subject: boc go dance In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , David Hardman writes >Why stop it? I'd quite like to hear it, & if it brings BOC to a wider >audience then all power to them. The REaper remix was Apollo 440, whoever >they may be. > >D Apollo 440 occasionally feature Howard Devoto from Magazine. This fact alone excuses any musical transgression. -- Jon From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Jun 2 00:22:21 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 04:22:21 +0000 Subject: boc go dance Message-ID: > At 11:46 01/06/98 +0000, you wrote: > >I wasn't serious when I said we should stop this. Doesn't matter one > >way or the other to me. But it's completely naive to think it'll > >expose BOC to a wider audience or increase sales or something like > >that. NFW a dance remix of Zilla or Reaper would inspire your average > >clubber to discover 70s metal. > > > >-- Nick > > Maybe not, but there's certainly some fertile hybridization possibilities - > I heard some amazing stuff at "Science Fiction" nights at The Fridge > acouple of years back - and not just due to better living through > pharmacology ;-{)> > > It's probably the case that what I heard would go down better with "the > other side" of this list, but I think it would have shocked most rock fans > out of any preconceptions that they might have about "dance" & "techno". > > ChrisW > > Free your mind & watch your ass! Are the HW fans more likely to embrace techno/dance stuff? I wouldn't really have a clue. I'm rock and roll all the way...with the possible exception of Devo. I bought a couple of HW tapes in my younger days, but only after I learned that Lemmy used to be in the band. I pretty much dismissed them, however, because they sounded very little like Motorhead. I'd probably have a different perspective on them as an adult. -- Nick From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Tue Jun 2 04:13:19 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:13:19 +0100 Subject: Health problems In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980602002828.007d8900@mail.clara.net> Message-ID: No problems - it was actually an allergy to peppers (red, green) and especially raw peppers (cooked not so bad). After eating them, within a few hours I'd have a very bad pain just below my right ribs (liver/gall bladder area) that would take several days (or weeks in one case) to go away - it made me very tired, but the pain kept me awake, I didn't want to eat (and couldn't eat more than a little bit at a time). My dad gets somethign very similar with eating peppers, and he suggested drinking cold milk (it helps him) - I haven't had to try this out myself as I've been very good avoiding the peppers since I found out what it was. Hope that helps, Kevin Perry Technical Manager Wide Multimedia http://www.wide.co.uk/ > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On Behalf Of Chris Warburton > Sent: 02 June 1998 08:59 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: Health problems > > At 12:38 01/06/98 +0100, you wrote: > >I had exactly this problem for about 3-4 years - ultrascan turned up > >nothing, liver and blood tests nothing - in the end it > turned out to be an > >allergy. > > > >Kevin Perry > >Technical Manager > >Wide Multimedia > >http://www.wide.co.uk/ > > > Kevin, > I hope you don't mind me asking, but could you tell me more - my > girlfriend's been laid low with something like this since last autumn: > she's been so ill that she's having trouble finishing her final year > dissertation, but two ultrasounds and a couple of stays in > hospital have > done nothing so far. > > Feel free to ignore, or tell me to piss-off for intruding, but a big > THANK-YOU for giving us some hope for a solution. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 2 05:22:15 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:22:15 +0000 Subject: Clerkenwell Message-ID: On tis 2 jun 1998 09.08 +0100 "Kevin Perry" wrote: > OT(ish) - do you know of any musicians round Clerkenweel/east London who'd > be interested in some making some HW (BOC?) style music? Nah, only around Cambridge ;) blanga blanga, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 2 05:23:35 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:23:35 +0000 Subject: tBS: Trepalert Message-ID: On m?n 1 jun 1998 23.48 -0400 "Andrew A. Apold" wrote: > about 10:45 EST, discovery channel was showing some > kind of trepanation program. Showed footage of some > tribal doctor in Africa doing trepanation, then going > over and treating healing wounds on people, mentioned > he had about a 75% survival rate, and showed a bunch > of skulls.... Presumably from the *other* 25% .... :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jun 2 04:11:55 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:11:55 +0100 Subject: French Sci-Fi (was Re: OFF: GODZILLA REVIEW) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980601231458.007bd560@mail.clara.net> Message-ID: In article <3.0.5.32.19980601231458.007bd560 at mail.clara.net>, Chris Warburton writes >>obCD: DJ Shadow ...Entroducing > >That's two of us ;-{)> no, three. > >ChrisW > >NP: Spiritualized/"Ladies & Gentlemen" or two agin. -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jun 2 04:15:10 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:15:10 +0100 Subject: BOC Astoria / Tape swap/ comics stuff was (Re: hw: ICU gig/NEWSFLASH) In-Reply-To: <000001bd8d9e$2c64e1c0$583f63c3@default> Message-ID: In article <000001bd8d9e$2c64e1c0$583f63c3 at default>, Andy Gilham writes > >> Are we still meeting at the Angel for BOC Astoria? > >I think so! I'll probably see you inside, unless the Angel is the bar that used to be called Cafe Munchausen, which is where I'll be at 7.00 I'll probably be wearing my Spiritualized T-shirt, coz its luminous. White jeans. -- Jon From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jun 2 04:39:19 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:39:19 +0100 Subject: BOC Astoria / Tape swap/ comics stuff was (Re: hw: ICU gig/NEWSFLASH) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > >> Are we still meeting at the Angel for BOC Astoria? > > > >I think so! > > I'll probably see you inside, unless the Angel is the bar that used to > be called Cafe Munchausen, which is where I'll be at 7.00 > Cafe Munchen, wasn't it, which was the White Lion before that, where FP sometimes have book signings - anyway it's just about opposite the Angel. > I'll probably be wearing my Spiritualized T-shirt, coz its luminous. > White jeans. > -- > Jon Sexy! :) I have dyed my Roky shirt red so I'll wear that :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jun 2 04:39:21 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:39:21 +0100 Subject: Clerkenwell In-Reply-To: <45424.3105768135@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > On tis 2 jun 1998 09.08 +0100 "Kevin Perry" > wrote: > > OT(ish) - do you know of any musicians round Clerkenweel/east London > who'd > > be interested in some making some HW (BOC?) style music? > > Nah, only around Cambridge ;) > Where I might well be moving soon! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Tue Jun 2 06:46:19 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:46:19 +0000 Subject: HW: Smoke Dreams ICU In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Jon >>PPS (Aside of the infamous Khan's in Westbourne Grove) the best curry house >>in >>the world is The Saqui, Ham Parade, Kingston, Surrey UK. > >It is in fact, very good, yes. >You local, Guy? >-- >Jon I live in Tudor Drive, Kingston and work in Trafalgar Square - so anything inbeween is local as far as I'm concerned (You see, I cycle the 12 miles to work every day - can't stand buses, trains or the Underground!) Guy T. From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Tue Jun 2 07:25:31 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (rich-l) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:25:31 +0000 Subject: Tape Swap / Beer Powered Noise Frenzy Message-ID: > > > What are folks comments on the tapes they got through the tape swap? > > Christian sent me his - I think he liked it, but I'm not sure. Maybe > > the Lawnmower Deth got to his head! > > Well, I didn't receive one yet (for perfectly good reasons), but you got my > tape, didn't you? Enough Deviants, New Christs, and poetry in French while > a dog barks in the background on there for anyone, I'd have thought :) > I certainly did! You're weird! I'm away from home for a few days at the moment, and left the tape in London. Arse. (Too busy trying to learn a shed load of covers... more of that in a minute.) Any chance of letting me know who they were all by? If anyone's really that interested, the details for the tape I sent to Christian are at http://www.fortunecity.com/boozers/lolos/315/boctape.html And now...the moment you've all been waiting for... My new band, BEER POWERED NOISE FRENZY play the Pigeons, Romford Road, Stratford, London E15 on September the 11th. (No excuses for not being there, you've had plenty time to cancel anything else that day...) For more ideas on what you can expect, take a look at http://www.fortunecity.com/boozers/lolos/315/bpnf1.html (Think a cross between the legendary Tangled Skein and Ministry...) It's two quid on the door, proceeds to Cancer Research. And the singer gets married the day after... Cheers, Rich. ** "Snuffle, grunt" ** From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Tue Jun 2 06:51:35 1998 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:51:35 +0100 Subject: HLL show Message-ID: Seen in the Guardians guide: Friday 5th Huw Lloyd Langton and Deep. Former Hawkwind member. 12 Bar Club, Denmark Place, WC2 (0171 916 6989) 8:30 pm 5 pounds. Is any one going? Spookily enough there is also a gig by voiceover, supported by Doug Smith at the Jolly Gardeners in Isleworth. Presumably not the DS. Mike w From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 2 08:06:22 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:06:22 +0000 Subject: OFF: ClerkenBridge Message-ID: On tis 2 jun 1998 09.39 +0100 "Andy Gilham" wrote: >> On tis 2 jun 1998 09.08 +0100 "Kevin Perry" wrote: >> > OT(ish) - do you know of any musicians round Clerkenweel/east London >> > who'd be interested in some making some HW (BOC?) style music? >> >> Nah, only around Cambridge ;) > > Where I might well be moving soon! You madman! ;) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Tue Jun 2 07:03:25 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:03:25 +0100 Subject: HLL show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There is now :-) Kevin Perry Technical Manager Wide Multimedia http://www.wide.co.uk/ > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On Behalf Of M S Wright > Sent: 02 June 1998 12:02 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: HLL show > > Seen in the Guardians guide: > > Friday 5th > Huw Lloyd Langton and Deep. Former Hawkwind member. 12 Bar > Club, Denmark > Place, WC2 (0171 916 6989) 8:30 pm 5 pounds. > > Is any one going? > > Spookily enough there is also a gig by voiceover, supported > by Doug Smith > at the Jolly Gardeners in Isleworth. Presumably not the DS. > > Mike w From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jun 2 07:54:15 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:54:15 -0400 Subject: BOC Bootleg EP Message-ID: I've seen the Bootleg EP advertised for around $50 in some Goldmine ads in the states. It does seem a bit excessive for a 4 track promo EP whose tracks can be obtained elsewhere. Of course, I guess it is considered a "collectible" - BTW, if anyone wants to send me $70, I'll part with mine! I myself don't collect vinyl, but of course I do collect all of the various bits of music BOC puts out. These 4 tracks can be found on the import BOC CD, "Live in New York, 1972" for around $20 (still pricey - at about $5 a track), or, 3 of the 4 are on the Workshop of the Telescopes compilation. Oddly enought, most of BOC's other vinyl doesn't seem to command the high price that "The Bootleg EP" does.... John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jun 2 07:57:54 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:57:54 -0400 Subject: BOC: Greek ETL Message-ID: I forwarded the recent question about the Greek version of ETL to Bolle Gregmar, head of the BOC fanclub. Figured if anyone else had a copy, he might. Here's his reply: Wow, that's quite the interesting fuck up. I have never seen a Greek copy, I have Australian, Brasilian, Japanese, Dutch & American copies and they are all as they should be. I wonder if this applies to All Greek copies or if they had them corrected later on... that would then determine the nature of rarity etc. Would be fun to have a copy like that though, even though I always thought of this album as such a waste of Vinyl I find myself sitting with Multiple copies, LOL! Thanx for letting me know Cheers! BOLLE_!_? John From mordru at GEKKO.NET Tue Jun 2 08:23:54 1998 From: mordru at GEKKO.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:23:54 -0400 Subject: tBS: Trepalert Message-ID: >On m?n 1 jun 1998 23.48 -0400 "Andrew A. Apold" wrote: >> about 10:45 EST, discovery channel was showing some >> kind of trepanation program. Showed footage of some >> tribal doctor in Africa doing trepanation, then going >> over and treating healing wounds on people, mentioned >> he had about a 75% survival rate, and showed a bunch >> of skulls.... > > Presumably from the *other* 25% .... :) Actually, from both. They could tell in ancient skulls whether the person healed or not. If they healed the edges were smooth, and gradually more and more circular as the bone itself partly healed. Where it didn't it was still sharp and angular, in the manner it was cut. The live footage was both disturbing yet impossible to turn away from.... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at gekko.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Jun 2 09:41:24 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:41:24 +0100 Subject: French Sci-Fi (was Re: OFF: GODZILLA REVIEW) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 09:11 02/06/98 +0100, Jon Browne wrote: >In article <3.0.5.32.19980601231458.007bd560 at mail.clara.net>, Chris >Warburton writes >>>obCD: DJ Shadow ...Entroducing >> >>That's two of us ;-{)> > >no, three. > >> >>ChrisW >> >>NP: Spiritualized/"Ladies & Gentlemen" > >or two again. I'll make that three. What an excellent album! Dave. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 2 10:36:05 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:36:05 +0100 Subject: HW: Private gig Message-ID: I've put up a not to uk.sf.people to ask for pointers to conrunners who might be interested in adopting us as a stream at an SF con. I'll let folks know if anyone bites. FoFP From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jun 2 10:51:01 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:51:01 +0100 Subject: OFF : Spiritualized In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980602144124.009c05b0@mailhost.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <3.0.5.32.19980602144124.009c05b0 at mailhost.ed.harlequin.co.uk >, Dave Berry writes > >I'll make that three. What an excellent album! > >Dave. The Albert Hall gig I disgraced myself at, is coming out as a Live album soon. Can't wait. Two of the band, Mooneye and Thighpaulsandra, are from Julian Cope's early '90's line-up. BTW the other 2 CD's "Lazer Guided Melodies" and "Pure Phase" are in HMV's 6.99 sale at the moment. if anyone sees a copy of "Fucked Up Inside - Live" pleeze snag it for me!!! -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jun 2 10:54:06 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:54:06 +0100 Subject: HW: Smoke Dreams ICU In-Reply-To: <9919461002061998/A02859/LNMV02/11C612AE1300*@MHS> Message-ID: In article <9919461002061998/A02859/LNMV02/11C612AE1300*@MHS>, LN1GJT writes >I live in Tudor Drive, Kingston and work in Trafalgar Square - so anything >inbeween is local as far as I'm concerned (You see, I cycle the 12 miles to >work every day - can't stand buses, trains or the Underground!) > > >Guy T. I live and work in Richmond. You're about a mile away! Do you know Age Parr? Does "Hawkeye", writing The Chronicles Of HW? He lives in Teddington. Small world. -- Jon From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 2 12:38:17 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:38:17 +0000 Subject: OFF: Godzilla - Lucasfilm Strikes Back ;) Message-ID: http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/news/980601/media/poster.jpg -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Jun 2 07:50:11 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:50:11 +0000 Subject: OFF: Godzilla - Lucasfilm Strikes Back ;) Message-ID: > http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/news/980601/media/poster.jpg > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic > St. John's College, University of Cambridge > mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk > http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ You gotta check this out!!! I busted out laughing! -- Nick From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Tue Jun 2 12:55:16 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:55:16 +0200 Subject: HW: Private gig (repeated appeal) Message-ID: Hello folks I have received lots of mails from HAWKFANS offering their help and money. Thank you very much! BUT IT IS STILL NOT ENOUGH!! We really need more money to let this event happen So here is again my appeal: It seems now that DAVE BROCK is interested to do such a gig and lot of fans from the LIST are interested as well to do something to realize this event Let's start to do serious things: PLEASE SEND YOUR MAIL TO MY PRIVATE ADDRESS (bernhard.pospiech at gelsenkirchen.netsurf.de) Each person should write down his 1st and second name, e-mail adress and what he wants/can do What I will do is to collect all the postings (money and job postings) and informations and keep the LIST and of course especially the volunteers informed I am starting: Here it goes Name: Bernhard Pospiech E-Mail: bernhard pospiech at gelsenkirchen.netsurf.de Job: Coordination In a 2nd mail all the folks who wants to pay money for this special event should write a mail to my private address as follows: Name: Bernhard Pospiech E-Mail: bernhard pospiech at gelsenkirchen.netsurf.de Money: 50 US$ Thanks Bernhard From goran.janicijevic at INFORMA.MK Tue Jun 2 13:11:27 1998 From: goran.janicijevic at INFORMA.MK (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:11:27 +0200 Subject: BOC: Reverse fungus/Real World Message-ID: Nick English[SMTP:nick at THECAMPUS.COM] wrote: > It never matters to me what the lyrics to a song are, as long as > they're not, like, pro-pedophilia or something. Sure, Hammer Back is Arthur Clarke is in charge for pedophilia, not John Shirley. ;-> ______________________ Goran Janicijevic From goran.janicijevic at INFORMA.MK Tue Jun 2 13:11:49 1998 From: goran.janicijevic at INFORMA.MK (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:11:49 +0200 Subject: BOC: Radio air time Message-ID: Nick English[SMTP:nick at THECAMPUS.COM] wrote: > Definitely sounds like you've got a DJ or an MD who knows his BOC. > Call the station and inquire. You might make an ally who can keep > them cutting up the airwaves in your area. Sigh. Wish we were all so > lucky! I'd be surprised if one radio pro in this area could even name > a BOC tune. I remember 3-4 years ago, on Virgin, "The Reaper" was often on that radio (I suppose then was actual "The Workshop Of Telescopes" compilation). In one moment after the song, the DJ says to his guest in the studio: "Who the hell are Blue Oyster Cult??? Did you listen to something else of them but this song?" (The answer was, normally, "no".) Aaarrrrgh, violent tendencies arose in my soul then!!! An illiterate DJ of a radio which has pretension to be the ultimate European rock radio station!!! ______________________ Goran Janicijevic From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jun 2 13:10:52 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:10:52 +0100 Subject: BOC:Astoria In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If um, hypothetically, you had a backstage pass and might get to chat to the guys at the gig tomorrow, what question would you absolutely have to ask them? -- Jon From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 2 14:55:56 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:55:56 +0000 Subject: BOC:Astoria Message-ID: On tis 2 jun 1998 18.10 +0100 "Jon Browne" wrote: > If um, hypothetically, you had a backstage pass and might get to chat to > the guys at the gig tomorrow, what question would you absolutely have to > ask them? When's the next album? :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue Jun 2 14:00:35 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:00:35 -0400 Subject: Astoria Message-ID: >If um, hypothetically, you had a backstage pass and might get to chat to >the guys at the gig tomorrow, what question would you absolutely have to >ask them? > >-- >Jon So... when's the new album coming out? Brian obCD> Rammstein "Sehnsucht" From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue Jun 2 14:05:55 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:05:55 -0400 Subject: BOC:Astoria Message-ID: > When's the next album? :) > >-- >Carl Edlund Anderson >Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic >St. John's College, University of Cambridge >mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk >http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ Damn list lag! ;) Beaten to the punchline... Brian From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Tue Jun 2 14:15:44 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (David Hardman) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:15:44 +0100 Subject: BOC:Astoria In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Jon Browne wrote: > If um, hypothetically, you had a backstage pass and might get to chat to > the guys at the gig tomorrow, what question would you absolutely have to > ask them? Where's Albert? Did you bring the lasers? When did Buck shave off his moustache? :) ****************************************************************************** David Hardman HCI Design Centre School of Informatics City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jun 2 16:04:28 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:04:28 -0400 Subject: BOC:Astoria Message-ID: > If um, hypothetically, you had a backstage pass and might get to chat to > the guys at the gig tomorrow, what question would you absolutely have to > ask them? Uh, what's wrong with Eric's voice? (sorry, just couldn't resist being a smartass) John From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Jun 2 14:26:02 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:26:02 +0100 Subject: BOC: Am I alone in thinking this? (was revamped set) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 22:22 01/06/98 -0700, you wrote: > >I think 'Spectres' is also an exception to this. Regarding CE, what about >'The Marshall Plan'? That's the one BOC song I can't stand to listen to. > >-- >Peter William Worley >inhaler at u.washington.edu I have quite a soft spot for 'Spectres' too. As for TMP, I think it's quite a giggle meself...it's a great exercise in cramming all of the hard rock cliche's into one song, and there's some blinding guitar work on there too...you could say that it's Zappa's 'Joe's Garage' condensed from 3 albums to 4 minutes (approx.). Cheers, ChrisW NP: Heaven Forbid - - - - Preparing for tomorrow :-{))))))> Free your mind & watch your ass! From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Jun 2 17:50:35 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:50:35 -0500 Subject: BOC: Funky and Openers Message-ID: >Mmmmmmmm Bootsy on bass! But Eddie Hazel's gone, so >who's to play guitar? ChrisW Dunno, haven't kept up with the funk mob for a few years. Sure they can find a good one though. >I LOVE Stairway as the opener. I've never seen them use anything else...of course, I haven't seen them in a year or two. -- Nick Lets see, Stairways (several times) Take Me Away (1) and Burnin' For You (1 April 98). Can't begin to recall what they did in '75 first time I saw them but I'd vote for Stairways as the best opener with Take Me Away a respectable second. Will admit the Burnin' sounded good as the first number though. Ghost in the Ruins From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jun 2 18:00:05 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:00:05 EDT Subject: BOC: Funky and Openers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > > >I LOVE Stairway as the opener. I've never seen them use anything else...of > course, I haven't seen them in a year or two. > > -- Nick > > Lets see, Stairways (several times) Take Me Away (1) and Burnin' For You > (1 April 98). Can't begin to recall what they did in '75 first time I > saw them but I'd vote for Stairways as the best opener with Take Me Away > a respectable second. Will admit the Burnin' sounded good as the first > number though. > > Ghost in the Ruins Don't forget Dr. Music. Heard too many times as an opener even if it was just once... theo .................. "...Cause it makes me mad, And I get evil as a man can be." --A.K. ............................... From OE3 at AOL.COM Tue Jun 2 17:59:55 1998 From: OE3 at AOL.COM (Eddie Williamson) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:59:55 EDT Subject: BOC: looking for reports from Sheavy/BOC gig Message-ID: someone please write up the show in london with sheavy. that will be an awesome show. eddie los angeles, calif. From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Tue Jun 2 18:25:04 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David Greenhalgh) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 23:25:04 +0100 Subject: HW: Private gig Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > I've put up a not to uk.sf.people to ask for pointers to conrunners who > might be interested in adopting us as a stream at an SF con. I'll let > folks know if anyone bites. > > FoFP Try also uk.people.sf-fans I'll leave it to you so as not to duplicate. Dave From JOHNANDBEVBONO at WORLDNET.ATT.NET Tue Jun 2 16:02:04 1998 From: JOHNANDBEVBONO at WORLDNET.ATT.NET (JOHN BONO) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 20:02:04 -0000 Subject: BOC: Am I alone in thinking this? (was revamped set) Message-ID: I FOUND IMAGINOS ON CD IN A USED CD SHOP IN N.Y.C. (WHERE I LIVE) BUT ALL THE CATALOGS SAY IT'S OUT OF PRINT IN THE STATES. I DON,T KNOW ABOUT OVERSEAS. BY THE WAY, CAN ANYONE GET ME A COPY OF 'FLAT OUT' ? From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Jun 2 18:22:59 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 23:22:59 +0100 Subject: boc go dance In-Reply-To: <19980602081240.AAA26754@[208.214.94.65]> Message-ID: At 04:22 02/06/98 +0000, you wrote: > > > >Are the HW fans more likely to embrace techno/dance stuff? I wouldn't >really have a clue. That wasn't quite what I was getting at. It was more the case that although the music was accepted, and danced to by the crowd, what was playing over the top of the beats was swooshy & spacey & had a definite tinge of blanga about it. >I'm rock and roll all the way...with the possible exception of Devo. As must be pretty obvious from my postings, my tastes are pretty diverse, but I was dismissive 7 extremely sceptical about techno & its relatives until an old friend talked me into going to The Fridge just after I got back from Belgium a couple of years ago - I hadn't had so much fun in years. There's still a lot of that stuff that I don't like, but the trance end of techno & the better drum'n'bass stuff really has a lot more to offer than I'd ever have expected. >I bought a couple of HW tapes in my younger days, >but only after I learned that Lemmy used to be in the band. I pretty >much dismissed them, however, because they sounded very little like >Motorhead. I'd probably have a different perspective on them as an >adult. > >-- Nick Maybe, maybe not: there's a lot of stuff that I passed over, but came to love some years on (e.g. Grateful Dead, Neil Young), but other things that just never clicked at all - I have a friend who doesn't understand at all why I can't get into Public Enemy!? Go figure... Each to his/her own, and long may the world stay diverse :-{)> ChrisW NP:Wildflowers - The New York Loft Jazz sessions Free your mind & watch your ass! From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 2 20:44:42 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:44:42 +0100 Subject: BOC Bootleg EP In-Reply-To: Peter Worley's message of Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:26:18 -0700 Message-ID: Peter Worley writes: > I saw a 12" vinyl album in a plain white sleeve titled 'BOC Bootleg EP' in > a record store the other day, hung up on the wall and listed for about > $70, if I remember correctly. Is this representative of some of the > collectors stuff out there? I didn't think a band with as little 'popular BOC came in at about 300 and something in a poll in the UK mag Record Collector of the top 500 most collectable bands so there is a Kolectors presence around of sorts. I did see a BOC bootleg once that someplace was asking 15 or 16 UK pounds for and the cover made it seem like it was something rare and wonderful but it turned out that it was only some Live 1972(?) tracks that were apparently already available anyway - the kind of thing that Hawkwind have to put up with a lot of the time. I'm not really into BOC collecting at all but I've never seen any other bootlegs for BOC so if this is not the 1972 tracks then it might be rare enough to be worth acquiring. Maybe. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jun 3 04:17:53 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:17:53 +0100 Subject: boc go dance In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980602232259.007b26f0@mail.clara.net> Message-ID: In article <3.0.5.32.19980602232259.007b26f0 at mail.clara.net>, Chris Warburton writes >the better drum'n'bass stuff really has a lot more to offer >than I'd ever have expected. The intelligent drum'n'bassmen consider themselves jazzmen. W. Coast Birth of Cool Jazzmen moreover. -- Jon From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Wed Jun 3 00:29:43 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:29:43 +0000 Subject: BOC:Astoria Message-ID: > On tis 2 jun 1998 18.10 +0100 "Jon Browne" wrote: > > > If um, hypothetically, you had a backstage pass and might get to chat to > > the guys at the gig tomorrow, what question would you absolutely have to > > ask them? > > When's the next album? :) I was actually thinking this myself...I figured that if people reacted positively to HF, and if it were at least a minor commercial success (probably too early to tell...?), it might fuel the creative fires at camp BOC, so to speak. I think this is especially possible now that they've got a decent label behind them. Motorhead, Deep Purple and Molly Hatchet are three bands that seem to be back on a regular schedule of recording and releasing since joining up with CMC. I pray BOC returns to the 'active roster'. I'd really be pissed if I had to wait until 2008 for the next album. I don't know if Allen can last that long :) -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Wed Jun 3 00:33:18 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 04:33:18 +0000 Subject: BOC: Radio air time Message-ID: > I remember 3-4 years ago, on Virgin, "The Reaper" was often on that radio (I suppose then was actual "The Workshop Of Telescopes" compilation). In one moment after the song, the DJ says to his guest > in the studio: "Who the hell are Blue Oyster Cult??? Did > Aaarrrrgh, violent tendencies arose in my soul then!!! An illiterate DJ of a radio which has pretension to be the ultimate European rock radio station!!! > ______________________ > Goran Janicijevic I work in this business. Trust me, there are a lot of incompetents (myself included from time to time). -- Nick From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Wed Jun 3 06:35:33 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:35:33 +0000 Subject: HW: Smoke Dreams ICU In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >In article <9919461002061998/A02859/LNMV02/11C612AE1300*@MHS>, LN1GJT > writes >>I live in Tudor Drive, Kingston and work in Trafalgar Square - so anything >>inbeween is local as far as I'm concerned (You see, I cycle the 12 miles to >>work every day - can't stand buses, trains or the Underground!) >> >> >>Guy T. > >I live and work in Richmond. You're about a mile away! >Do you know Age Parr? Does "Hawkeye", writing The Chronicles Of HW? >He lives in Teddington. >Small world. >-- >Jon > Hi jon, Richmond huh - nice place! Yup I know Adrian, I've met him a couple of times at the small pub just over Teddington Lock, and I also met him backstage at Brixton 1995. Last time I met him was at the Mike Moorcock reading/autographing session at Dillons in Kingston last year. - Small world init! (or as Huw used to say: "It's a funny old world.") Guy T From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed Jun 3 04:52:32 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:52:32 +0200 Subject: OFF/HW: some CDs... Message-ID: I have some space/prog CDs I am looking to trade or sell, that might be of interest here (first person to snag the Mothergong...) Can - Flow Motion Genesis - Selling England By The Pound (non-remaster) Helios Creed - Your Choice Live Klaatu - 3:47 E.S.T. (1st album) Kluster - Klopfzeichen Melting Euphoria - Upon The Solar Winds MotherGong w/ Daevid Allen - The Owl And The Tree Porcupine Tree - Signify Tele:Funken/Flying Saucer Attack - Distant Station (all as new, email at mumford at online.no ) Chr. "The future's so bright, I've got to wear a fucking welder's mask." - Fish From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed Jun 3 04:47:37 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:47:37 +0200 Subject: BOC Astoria / Tape swap/ comics stuff was (Re: hw: ICU gig/NEWSFLASH) Message-ID: > > > >NERDS.. probably kept their comics too.. > > > > > >-S > > > > Whooahhh!!!!!!!!"$%^&*() > > > > > > -- > > Jon > > Whoops. Just dug all my old comics out of the loft... Bet it smelled good :) > What are folks comments on the tapes they got through the tape swap? > Christian sent me his - I think he liked it, but I'm not sure. Maybe > the Lawnmower Deth got to his head! > > Cheers, > > Rich. It was a very good tape! (noteworthy/fave mentions Angelic Upstarts, Soft Boys, Meteors, Arthur Brown, Sly & The Family Stone, AC... Only 3 tracks were familiar ones (Motorhead/Happy Mondays/Brown) and so in that aspect too the tape was successful :) I did send a tape to a Tim Fulcher in UK but I forgot to put in a note with an email address with it... How many people were involved in the trade BTW? Chr. > ** "How's it goin', Pulger?" ** > From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jun 3 06:09:40 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:09:40 +0100 Subject: BOC Astoria / Tape swap/ comics stuff was (Re: hw: ICU gig/NEWSFLASH) In-Reply-To: <199806030944.LAA10696@online.no> Message-ID: > > I did send a tape to a Tim Fulcher in UK but I forgot to put in a > note with > an email address with it... > I told Tim he'd probably enjoy his tape! > How many people were involved in the trade BTW? 21. Not bad. I managed to fit a couple of latecomers into the circle but not Jazza - sorry mate, I'll buy you a beer this evening! I'm still awaiting my tape from California... ;) BTW I was in the Angel last night, as it happens, and I have a mild headache from the Abbot... anyway if the weather's fine the little beer garden's nice, so look in there for a variety of wallies in funny t-shirts! - Andy ObCD: Ryoji Ikeda - +/- mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Wed Jun 3 06:17:27 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (David Hardman) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:17:27 +0100 Subject: BOC Astoria / Tape swap/ comics stuff was (Re: hw: ICU In-Reply-To: <000001bd8ed7$b89187e0$903f63c3@default> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Andy Gilham wrote: > BTW I was in the Angel last night, as it happens, and I have a mild headache > from the Abbot... anyway if the weather's fine the little beer garden's > nice, so look in there for a variety of wallies in funny t-shirts! Look out for a wally in an X-Files T-Shirt! :) D ****************************************************************************** David Hardman HCI Design Centre School of Informatics City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Jun 3 06:26:53 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:26:53 +0100 Subject: BOC Astoria / Tape swap/ comics stuff was (Re: hw: ICU gig/NEWSFLASH) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 03 Jun 1998 10:47:37 +0200." <199806030944.LAA10696@online.no> Message-ID: > I did send a tape to a Tim Fulcher in UK but I forgot to put in a note with > an email address with it... > > How many people were involved in the trade BTW? I think Andy said about 16-17. > > Chr. I got the tape Christian, but as yet ain't had a moment to listen to it. I want to give it my undivided attention ! Certainly *looks* interesting though :-) My package went out to Charlotte somewhere in Sweden. Hope it arrived OK... cheers Tim ObCDplayedInAnticipation: _Some Enchanted Evening_ From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Jun 3 07:59:45 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:59:45 +0100 Subject: BOC Astoria / Tape swap/ comics stuff was (Re: hw: ICU gig/NEWSFLASH) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 03 Jun 1998 11:09:40 BST." <000001bd8ed7$b89187e0$903f63c3@default> Message-ID: > > BTW I was in the Angel last night, as it happens, and I have a mild headache > from the Abbot... anyway if the weather's fine the little beer garden's > nice, so look in there for a variety of wallies in funny t-shirts! > Really ? Given the weather here at the moment, I'll be the one with jumper, coat and brolly ! :) Anyways, I'm off early to go do some pre-gig consumer homage at Reckless & Selectadisc so I'll catch you guys later tonight. cheers, Tim From mike at PHOENIXPHOTO.COM Wed Jun 3 09:42:28 1998 From: mike at PHOENIXPHOTO.COM (Mike Stanton) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:42:28 -0400 Subject: BOC:Astoria Message-ID: Jon asks: >If um, hypothetically, you had a backstage pass and might get to chat to >the guys at the gig tomorrow, what question would you absolutely have to >ask them? > >-- >Jon How about: boxers or briefs? or When are they going to play indoors when they are in Atlanta. From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Wed Jun 3 09:48:59 1998 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:48:59 +0100 Subject: BOC:Astoria In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Jon Browne wrote: > > > If um, hypothetically, you had a backstage pass and might get to chat to > > the guys at the gig tomorrow, what question would you absolutely have to > > ask them? When are you going to do a live album show performing material _entirely_ from Tyranny & Mutation and Secret Treaties? When are you going to get together with the Bouchards to do a full performance of Imaginos? - Mike Godwin From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Wed Jun 3 09:49:45 1998 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:49:45 +0100 Subject: BOC:Astoria HW: Private gig Message-ID: Jon asks: >If um, hypothetically, you had a backstage pass and might get to chat to >the guys at the gig tomorrow, what question would you absolutely have to >ask them? > >-- >Jon ask them if they'd be willing to donate 50 dollars to see Hawkwind at a prvate gig...... Neil ObSongIwanttoheartonight: Flaming Telepaths. From goran.janicijevic at INFORMA.MK Wed Jun 3 09:54:06 1998 From: goran.janicijevic at INFORMA.MK (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:54:06 +0200 Subject: ETL in general Message-ID: John A Swartz[SMTP:jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG] wrote, quoting Bolle Gregmar: > Would be fun to have a copy like that though, even though I always thought of > this album as such a waste of Vinyl I find myself sitting with Multiple > copies, LOL! >From an experienced cultist's aspect, maybe ETL is completely redundant. But, let's not forget that until then (1982), there was no something like BOC compilation, and ETL had such role. Something like a "young person's guide to BOC". One such young person at the time was me. -- ______________________ Goran Janicijevic From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jun 3 09:57:11 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:57:11 -0400 Subject: BOC: Funky and Openers Message-ID: >I LOVE Stairway as the opener. I've never seen them use anything else...of course, I haven't seen them in a year or two. I've seen them open with Dominance and Submission, Stairway, The Red and the Black, and my favorite opener - R U Ready 2 Rock. John From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Wed Jun 3 10:04:47 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (David Hardman) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:04:47 +0100 Subject: BOC:Astoria In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, M R Godwin wrote: > > On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Jon Browne wrote: > > > > > If um, hypothetically, you had a backstage pass and might get to chat to > > > the guys at the gig tomorrow, what question would you absolutely have to > > > ask them? Is "Godzilla" going to be used in the forthcoming movie? Will you sign my copy of Imaginos? Who is Buck's Boogie named after, and how would you describe the type of music? Dumber & dumber, Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman HCI Design Centre School of Informatics City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Wed Jun 3 10:09:57 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (David Hardman) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:09:57 +0100 Subject: BOC: Funky and Openers In-Reply-To: <199806031357.JAA28579@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, John A Swartz wrote: > I've seen them open with Dominance and Submission, Stairway, The Red and > the Black, and my favorite opener - R U Ready 2 Rock. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I swear on the RbN tour they opened at Hammersmith with ME262. I have this memory of the lights going up, hearing the opening chords crashing out, the band striding forward from the back of the stage with Eric wearing the Kronos guitar. A magic moment, at least in my mind, 'cept in the fog of half a lifetime's memories I fear I may be making it all up... Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman HCI Design Centre School of Informatics City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Wed Jun 3 20:07:43 1998 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:07:43 +1000 Subject: BOC:Astoria HW: Private gig Message-ID: At 14:49 3/06/98 +0100, Neil Shilladay wrote: >Jon asks: > >>If um, hypothetically, you had a backstage pass and might get to chat to >>the guys at the gig tomorrow, what question would you absolutely have to >>ask them? >> When are you playing a gig in my lounge room? Troy =========================================== Troy Harris fiskare at webconcept.com.au From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Wed Jun 3 06:27:40 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:27:40 +0000 Subject: ETL in general Message-ID: > > Would be fun to have a copy like that though, even though I always thought of > > this album as such a waste of Vinyl I find myself sitting with Multiple > > copies, LOL! > > From an experienced cultist's aspect, maybe ETL is completely redundant. > > But, let's not forget that until then (1982), there was no something like > BOC compilation, and ETL had such role. Something like a "young > person's guide to BOC". One such young person at the time wa > me. I used ETL in a similar fashion. I bought Spectres after hearing Godzilla. I liked the band, wanted to know more. ETL was the logical choice, since it had the most tracks...and being a live album, I assumed it would be a good overview of what the band was all about. -- Nick From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jun 3 10:23:33 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:23:33 +0100 Subject: BOC: Funky and Openers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I swear on the RbN tour they opened > at Hammersmith with ME262. I have this memory of the lights going up, > hearing the opening chords crashing out, the band striding forward from > the back of the stage with Eric wearing the Kronos guitar. A magic moment, > at least in my mind, 'cept in the fog of half a lifetime's memories I fear > I may be making it all up... > No, I think you're right... I recall them opening with "RU Ready 2 Rock" in '78, and "Stairway" on other occasions - but they do blur after a while! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jun 3 11:38:50 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:38:50 +0100 Subject: HLL show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In _Time Out_ it says: Former Hawkwind guitarist Huw Lloyd Langton promotes his solo CD, "On the Move". - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of M S Wright > Sent: 02 June 1998 11:52 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: HLL show > > > Seen in the Guardians guide: > > Friday 5th > Huw Lloyd Langton and Deep. Former Hawkwind member. 12 Bar Club, Denmark > Place, WC2 (0171 916 6989) 8:30 pm 5 pounds. > > Is any one going? > > Spookily enough there is also a gig by voiceover, supported by Doug Smith > at the Jolly Gardeners in Isleworth. Presumably not the DS. > > Mike w > From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jun 3 12:08:16 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:08:16 +0100 Subject: HW: Smoke Dreams ICU In-Reply-To: <4833351003061998/A02713/LNMV02/11C61AA31E00*@MHS> Message-ID: In article <4833351003061998/A02713/LNMV02/11C61AA31E00*@MHS>, LN1GJT writes > Last time I met >him was at the Mike Moorcock reading/autographing session at Dillons in >Kingston last year. I was ill, my wife went to this. Chris, this is where your signed Corum comes from. smaller and smaller. -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jun 3 12:09:31 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:09:31 +0100 Subject: BOC:Astoria HW: Private gig In-Reply-To: <199806031349.OAA09156@achemar.gatwick.Geco-Prakla.slb.com> Message-ID: In article <199806031349.OAA09156 at achemar.gatwick.Geco-Prakla.slb.com>, Neil Shilladay writes > >ask them if they'd be willing to donate 50 dollars to see Hawkwind at a prvate >gig...... > >Neil I'm meeting Trev Hughes before the show. I think he'll be interested in this, don't you? -- Jon From lansford at VNET.NET Wed Jun 3 16:14:32 1998 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:14:32 GMT Subject: BOC:Astoria In-Reply-To: <1315266328-49885875@jrthorns.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Mike Stanton wrote: >Jon asks: > >>If um, hypothetically, you had a backstage pass and might get to chat to >>the guys at the gig tomorrow, what question would you absolutely have to >>ask them? > >How about: > >boxers or briefs? Zip & fasten or fasten & zip? (Sorry. Missed my B5 fix last night, d*mned car dealers.) Jean Lansford lansford at vnet.net http://users.vnet.net/lansford/ From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Wed Jun 3 17:10:52 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David Greenhalgh) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:10:52 +0100 Subject: HW: Private gig Message-ID: Chris Warburton wrote: > At 14:29 01/06/98 +0100, you wrote: > > > > >Hell, just take bids for the right to do the lyrics for "Sonic Attack" > >onstage with the band. I reckon it's feasible. > > > >FoFP > > What a wonderful idea > Unfortunately, I'm sure I'd be outbid by one of you megafans! > I could be an anorak and say "done that, got the tape somewhere".But I won't, I'll just start saving to do it again! Dave From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jun 3 18:57:39 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:57:39 +0100 Subject: BOC: Astoria Message-ID: Good gig! Excellent boc-l turnout - lots of familair faces, lots of not familiar faces too. Loads of the fuckers! I thought sHeavy were fairly sHit, but there you go. Decent version of "War Pigs", but it's hard to fuck up "War Pigs". Has Allen quit smoking? He had a fag in his guitar head at one point but that's about it!?! Highlights: A-number-one "Last Days", smashing "Live for Me" (I was surprised how much I liked that one), super "Vigil" (in spite of Rondinelli's crash-bang drumming which nearly spoiled it), "Lips", "Reaper", "Telepaths". And the chorus of "you fat bastard" during the drum solo! Only in England... - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Wed Jun 3 19:58:55 1998 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 00:58:55 +0100 Subject: HW: Smoke Dreams ICU Message-ID: Subject: Re: HW: Smoke Dreams ICU >In article <4833351003061998/A02713/LNMV02/11C61AA31E00*@MHS>, LN1GJT > writes >> Last time I met >>him was at the Mike Moorcock reading/autographing session at Dillons in >>Kingston last year. > >I was ill, my wife went to this. >Chris, this is where your signed Corum comes from. >smaller and smaller. Definitly. I was there too and had quite a long chat with Linda Moorcock! Si ----- "I`ve got 'some' answers to 'most' of your questions!" The Alice Cooper Trivia File - http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/intro.html From swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Wed Jun 3 20:07:11 1998 From: swann at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:07:11 -0400 Subject: BOC: Astoria In-Reply-To: <000001bd8f43$0201dfe0$6a3f63c3@default> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Andy Gilham wrote: > Good gig! > [...] > Highlights: A-number-one "Last Days", smashing "Live for Me" (I was > surprised how much I liked that one), super "Vigil" (in spite of I hate you Andy. I've been to see BOC something like 8 times, and I've yet to see The Vigil. Last Days really has turned into a sort of mini-epic, though, hasn't it? At least if you got the version Buck has been performing in the States for the last few years. The last time I saw them was about 3.5 years ago in Raleigh, and I was blown away by that song. "A transcendant guitar playing odyssey" was the overblown-sounding description I conceived at the time. ;-) But, even as overtstated as it sounds, I think the song (and Buck's playing) have become so amazing that it deserves a hyperbolic description like that... > Rondinelli's crash-bang drumming which nearly spoiled it), "Lips", "Reaper", > "Telepaths". > > And the chorus of "you fat bastard" during the drum solo! Only in > England... What the hell is that from? I've got s friend who uses that line occasionally, and he won't say where he got it from (actually, I have to suspect he was drunk when he picked it up, and doesn't remember...) Steve From OE3 at AOL.COM Wed Jun 3 20:12:56 1998 From: OE3 at AOL.COM (Eddie Williamson) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:12:56 EDT Subject: BOC: Astoria (fat bastard) Message-ID: In a message dated 6/3/98 4:01:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM writes: << Good gig! Excellent boc-l turnout - lots of familair faces, lots of not familiar faces too. Loads of the fuckers! I thought sHeavy were fairly sHit, but there you go. Decent version of "War Pigs", but it's hard to fuck up "War Pigs". Has Allen quit smoking? He had a fag in his guitar head at one point but that's about it!?! Highlights: A-number-one "Last Days", smashing "Live for Me" (I was surprised how much I liked that one), super "Vigil" (in spite of Rondinelli's crash-bang drumming which nearly spoiled it), "Lips", "Reaper", "Telepaths". And the chorus of "you fat bastard" during the drum solo! Only in England... - Andy >> i think you mean "ROUNDinelli"!! From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jun 3 20:45:59 1998 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:45:59 PDT Subject: BOC: It's Showtime! Message-ID: Kids: I snagged my tickets tonight for the June 25th BOC show at "It's Showtime" in New Hartford NY. Tix were 10 bucks in advance, not sure what they will cost the DOS. Two opening acts, Gridley Page and Calypso: a couple of local bands. Tickets say no cameras or recorders, just so you know. "It's Showtime" is easy to find. It's right on Genessee street in New hartford, on the egde of Utica. It sits nearly UNDER the bridge where NYS route 8 goes over Genessee street. You can see it from route 8. Never noticed this place before as it was a closed up movie theater for as long as I can remember. Oh, and by the way, directly across the street is my all time favorite restaurant on this planet; "Casa Too Mucha". It's easily the best mexican restaurant in the world. Any other New Yorkers sick to bloody death of these freakin tornadoes? After two powerless nights huddled in the basement while the trees around my house fall over... I'm ready for something BETTER! Come on June 25th!!!!! :^D Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** Torgo at norwich.net DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos *********************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Hawklord57 at AOL.COM Wed Jun 3 22:14:39 1998 From: Hawklord57 at AOL.COM (Duane Hoyt) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:14:39 EDT Subject: OFF: Tape Swap Message-ID: Ho folks, Sorry to use the list on this, but I have no other way to reach the person I am mailing a tape to. I mailed my tape yesterday to "Chuckrecs"? in Redlands Calif. If you read this, can you be so kind as to email me, so as not to waste everyone elses time? Here's my email address: Hawklord57 at aol.com Thanks, Duane From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Jun 4 01:07:04 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (The Automind) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:07:04 PDT Subject: OFF: Scientology// DUMPSTER DIVING Message-ID: One afternoon about a week ago I went scavenging through a large dumpster i noticed behind the Boston Scientology mission. I thought it would be funny to do this, not really expecting to unearth any secret documents (though I hoped I would find a busted e-meter or something). Anyway, from the looks of the rubbish, it seems they had recently refurnished the interior of the building and had rented the dumpster for throwing out all the old stuff. Amongst bits and pieces of things I found desks, electric typwriters, a printer, and at least 3 computers (386's)- all smashed beyond repair, probably from being thrown into the dumpster- however, there were two VGA MONITORS that looked undamaged. Also 3 perfectly good (though slightly worn) swivelling office chairs. I intended to take the monitors, but as I was handing the first one down to my friend over the side this guy sort of floats up to us out of nowhere. He was about 6', very skinny and mean looking, short black hair and a finely trimmed moustache. He had the most fucked up eyes I've ever seen! The right one was looking directly at me, the left staring in another direction to my right. On his shirt collar (though it looked like it was soldered into his throat) this silver medallion with some sort of design on it, I was afraid he would see me staring at it so I couldn't study it for too long. I was guessing at least OT3 here! Him: "This dumpster isn't for fishing around in" Me: "Oh, I'm not up to anything, I just wanted to see if any of this was salvageable." Him: Well its not yours so get out of there Me: Yeah well you threw this stuff out, and i'd like these two monitors. Him: GIVE them to me and then leave this area Me: What will you do them? Him: I'll throw them out Me: so why can't I have them? Him: Do you want to give me $100 for them? Me: no! they're completely w- Him: Get out or I'll call the police!! So I did, and after he went inside, Kevin followed him and asked the guy at the desk if we could take them. Having been switched into friendly recruiting mode he cheerily gave us permission, though he said that 'the horizontal scan was broken on both of them' (the same acute problem on two separate monitors? bloody looooooooney >:| ) . Needless to say, both work perfectly and I've got mine wired up to my stereo right now, producing multi-colored rings in beautiful response to Spirit Of the Age. COSMIC! Oh yeah!-When I went back into the dumpster to get them the second time, I spotted a silver Zippo lighter that had fluid in it and everything. I think it must have fallen out of that guy's breast pocket when he leaned over the side to try to take the monitor from me. Having no use for it I gave it to my girlfriend, and oddly enough she quit smoking 4 days later. Other stuff I got in other dumpsters in that area on that day: -2 cordless phones w/ no handsets -an unopened UPS package containing a box of unexpired checkbooks -an MIT textbook on Advanced Circuit Theory -a box of 12 unused blank tapes (generic, medium quality) The most remarkeable things my friends and I have found dumpster diving: -[mine]-an almost brand new, perfectly good sony trinitron 13" TV/Video monitor -an entire drumset (no joke! Rich students from Berklee School of music just throw anything out that won't fit into their cars at the end of the semester. I forget what make it was, but it was a nice job with electric lights and everything. Mike still has it) -an electric guitar (wasn't there for that find) -[mine]-a pencil case full of coins from U.S. and at least 5 European countries (i think it had $6 US) -a working battery-operated cassette player -a working telephone/answering machine -[mine] a working clock-radio (I lost it the next day) THE AUTOMIND IS NOT AMUSED -----. .----- |____ | | ____| \| |/ . . | |\ /| | | \ / | | \ \____________/ / | \ / | \ / | \____________/ | | | \________/ | _ _ _ _ -- | | -- _ - - -_ _- -- _ _ - - ----- - ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Thu Jun 4 03:23:04 1998 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 17:23:04 +1000 Subject: BOC: HF Revisited Message-ID: I finally got my import copy of HF last weekend. So, what can I say that hasn't already been said? Come to think of it, I can't remember what has been said. Anyway, here are a few random and belated thoughts. I hope I don't cover too much old ground. - Everyone said it was heavy, but I was still surprised to hear just how REALLY HEAVY it is. - The more I listen to it the more I like it. My favourites keep changing. Today it's *SB*. Yesterday it was *PUD*. Tomorrow...? - I was immediately struck by the faint echoes from earlier albums. I'd like to think it was deliberate, but maybe it's just the way I hear it. Overall I feel like it continues on from Imaginos, and at times I think of the first three albums, and moments of others. It's heavy and aggressive and the lyrics are good with a touch of weirdness. *HM* seems to fit right into the *Magna of Illusion* feel, even though part of the solo (the second? solo in the fast bit) is highly reminiscent in tone of any of the first three albums, and I'm sure that discordant run has been lifted from *WotT*. Did BD pull out his old axe and amp to record that bit? There are other moments too but I can't remember them all right now. Except that *LfM* has an intro that sounds like *Shooting Shark* at 16rpm. I guess everybody looks for links to earlier work and probably nobody wants to hear simply more of the same old stuff. I personally like the subtle reflections in a new sound - at least the way I hear it. - The first actual criticism I could find was the live version of *IT*. I like the song and the rendition, but it shouldn't be there. To me the album finishes logically with *LfM*. At the very least, they could have drawn a line in our minds after *LfM* by claiming that *IT* was a "bonus track" or something, and we could all skip it without any inklings of guilt. ;) But serioulsy, it is a bit too out on it's own here. - Is EB's voice a little rough on SYIB? I mean, was it recorded when he was reportedly having a few voice problems? This isn't a criticism - I like it, and it's just a question. - I could go on, but that'll do for now. I also got the Ricky Browning concert vid a few weeks back too. Very good. It's great to actually see Buck playing. (I'm geographically challenged, remember) I would have liked to have seen *Astronomy* instead of it playing over the credits, but I guess you can't have everything. Pete. *************************************************************************** Peter Sondergeld Email. p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "I'm no stranger to hard work - more of a nodding acquaintance." - D.G. Harris **************************************** From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Thu Jun 4 04:24:03 1998 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:24:03 +0200 Subject: HW:HLL Message-ID: Hej, Well, it is now June... does anyone know if the 20 dates in sweden in May by HLL ever happened? I hope not.. I never heard a single thing? Anyone going to Hamburg to see Spacehead, Bedoiun and some german bands next weekend? Hope to see some of you there... scott ObCs- Alien Planetscapes- Knitting Factory, NYC 5-17-98 R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 38 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Thu Jun 4 04:25:07 1998 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:25:07 +0100 Subject: OFF: Tape Swap Message-ID: Subject: Re: OFF: Tape Swap Any signs of the tape yet? If you are the one getting mine you should have got it by now. Si ----- "I`ve got 'some' answers to 'most' of your questions!" The Alice Cooper Trivia File - http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/intro.html From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jun 4 04:34:14 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:34:14 +0100 Subject: BOC: Astoria In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Steve said > I hate you Andy. > > I've been to see BOC something like 8 times, and I've yet to see The > Vigil. Hey, it's only the second time *I've* seen it! > > Last Days really has turned into a sort of mini-epic, though, hasn't it? Yep, pretty epic. Allen had just as much to do with it as Donald though! > > And the chorus of "you fat bastard" during the drum solo! Only in > > England... > > What the hell is that from? I've got s friend who uses that line > occasionally, and he won't say where he got it from (actually, I have to > suspect he was drunk when he picked it up, and doesn't remember...) It started at football matches, where if a player appeared to be overweight, you'd get said chants, usually interspersed with "who ate all the pies?". The first time I came across it at a gig was Wolfsbane a few years ago, when Blaze (not notably overweight) was greeted very enthusiastically. Oh yeah - what's with these "25th anniversary" shirts? It's 1998! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jun 4 04:20:26 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:20:26 +0100 Subject: BOC: Astoria In-Reply-To: <000001bd8f43$0201dfe0$6a3f63c3@default> Message-ID: In article <000001bd8f43$0201dfe0$6a3f63c3 at default>, Andy Gilham writes >Good gig! > >Excellent boc-l turnout - lots of familair faces, lots of not familiar faces >too. Loads of the fuckers! not too hungover? I was upstairs for the last couple of tunes. When Reaper starts, theres this ring of people to the left of centre going bonkers, red Roky shirt clearly visible from the other end of the building.... -- Jon obCD Pet Sounds From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jun 4 04:27:49 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:27:49 +0100 Subject: BOC: It's Showtime! In-Reply-To: <19980604004559.25433.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: In article <19980604004559.25433.qmail at hotmail.com>, Torgo Sedler writes >Any other New Yorkers sick to bloody death of these freakin tornadoes? >After two powerless nights huddled in the basement while the trees >around my house fall over... I'm ready for something BETTER! Come on >June 25th!!!!! :^D > > >Torgo has left the building....... just as long as the building doesn't leave Torgo.... -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jun 4 04:26:57 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:26:57 +0100 Subject: BOC: Astoria In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Stephen Swann writes >What the hell is that from? I've got s friend who uses that line >occasionally, and he won't say where he got it from (actually, I have to >suspect he was drunk when he picked it up, and doesn't remember...) Jon "Fat" Beast, an indie DJ and club promotor from about seven years ago was the actual fat bastard in question, I believe. It's to the the tune of the intro to "Sheriff Fatman" by Carter USM, who he promoted and would introduce, while the crowd chanted this along to the intro tapes. It's a term of endearment apparently. -- Jon skinny bastard From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Jun 4 05:04:32 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:04:32 +0100 Subject: BOC: Astoria In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 03 Jun 1998 23:57:39 BST." <000001bd8f43$0201dfe0$6a3f63c3@default> Message-ID: > Good gig! > > Excellent boc-l turnout - lots of familair faces, lots of not familiar faces > too. Loads of the fuckers! Must have been about a dozen at least. Our collective mugshot captured by Grinning Boy's camera - hopefully get that scanned in. I'm still looking for some pieces of my camera :-/ but I snapped a fair few of the band before it got trashed. > Highlights: A-number-one "Last Days", smashing "Live for Me" (I was > surprised how much I liked that one), super "Vigil" (in spite of > Rondinelli's crash-bang drumming which nearly spoiled it), "Lips", "Reaper", > "Telepaths". setlist was something like Burn4U/Cities/ETI/BucksBoogie/HarvestMoon/F-Telepath s/ Vigil/LastDaysMay/SYIB/Godzilla/OD'd/Live4Me/LipsinHills/Reaper Enc: D+s Yup, as in '95, Last Days of May was the `epic guitar solo centerpiece' of the gig and it surely deserved it. Awesome! Somebody needs to get this version down on disc. Vigil was a highlight, basically because it was new to me live, and the new songs (Harvest Moon & Live for Me esp.) went down great. Storming gig ! Tim ObLesson: Don't go 70 miles to a gig when you're on 24 hour systems support :-P From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Thu Jun 4 06:19:11 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:19:11 +0000 Subject: HW: Smoke Dreams ICU In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >In article <4833351003061998/A02713/LNMV02/11C61AA31E00*@MHS>, LN1GJT > writes >> Last time I met >>him was at the Mike Moorcock reading/autographing session at Dillons in >>Kingston last year. > >I was ill, my wife went to this. >Chris, this is where your signed Corum comes from. >smaller and smaller. >-- >Jon I've still got a few spare Hawkwind/Calvert/Motorhead/Moorcock LPs and singles - INCLUDING SOME STUFF AUTOGRAPHED BY MIKE!!! (also signed at Kingston) Gimme an E-mail if your interested Guy T. guy.thomas at entoil.co.uk From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jun 4 05:19:57 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:19:57 +0100 Subject: BOC: Astoria In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > not too hungover? Not as bad as yesteday actually! More exercise helps I guess :) > > I was upstairs for the last couple of tunes. When Reaper starts, theres > this ring of people to the left of centre going bonkers, red Roky shirt > clearly visible from the other end of the building.... I knew I should have dyed it camouflage green! Oh yeah - couldn't tell how Bloom's voice was, because everybody at the front sang along with every word... - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Jun 4 01:40:19 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 05:40:19 +0000 Subject: BOC: Astoria Message-ID: > setlist was something like Burn4U/Cities/ETI/BucksBoogie/HarvestMoon/F-Telepath > s/ > Vigil/LastDaysMay/SYIB/Godzilla/OD'd/Live4Me/LipsinHills/Reaper Enc: D+s LIPS IN THE HILLS?! Damn, I've got to get out to a show, and fast! I've never even heard of them doing that one live. -- Nick From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Jun 4 06:21:52 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (David Hardman) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:21:52 +0100 Subject: BOC: Astoria In-Reply-To: <000101bd8f99$f165f0c0$813f63c3@default> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Andy Gilham wrote: > Oh yeah - couldn't tell how Bloom's voice was, because everybody at the > front sang along with every word... Eric's voice was absolutely A-OK, so whatever problems he had seem to have disappeared. The way the setlist is structured and in his manner of singing, I'd guess he's taking care to preserve his voice. The overall sound last night I thought was fantastic - perhaps the best I've ever heard them. Buck's lead lines soared crystal clear. Eric had a bit of a sound problem with his guitar early on, leading to a guitar change which quickly sorted matters out. The boys looked like they were enjoying themselves, no doubt spurred on by an enthusiastic crowd, though there was hardly any chat between numbers. The most I recall Eric saying was "I can't believe they didn't use this in the movie" as he introduced Godzilla. The only real disappointment was that just one encore was played (D & S); pretty surprising given how well they went down. There was also no chance to see the band after the show, unfortunately - whether that was down to the band or just the venue I don't know, but the bastard staff at the Astoria couldn't get rid of us quickly enough. All in all a damn good night, despite my getting in the way of a flying beer can that some dumbfuck threw -- could have been worse, but luckily I stopped it with my head! :) Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman HCI Design Centre School of Informatics City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From arjanh at CS.VU.NL Thu Jun 4 06:58:53 1998 From: arjanh at CS.VU.NL (Hulsebos A) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:58:53 +0200 Subject: BOC: Astoria In-Reply-To: David Hardman "Re: BOC: Astoria" (Jun 4, 11:21am) Message-ID: On Jun 4, 11:21am, David Hardman wrote, amongst other things: >All in all a damn good night, despite my getting in the way of a flying >beer can that some dumbfuck threw -- could have been worse, but luckily I >stopped it with my head! :) Just _one_ beer? I went to a concert last Monday, and that looked more like a beerthrower's party.... I figured that the safest place in the house would be next to the sound board, and so it was. With the added bonus of getting the best sound! I'm getting _slightly_ jealous; so many BOC reviews, and they haven't been in a 300km range of me.... :-( Cheers, Arjan H -- Disclaimer? Whaddayamean, disclaimer? This is 1998! Arjan Hulsebos -- arjanh at cs.vu.nl For more info (last updated May 19,1998): finger -l arjanh at top.cs.vu.nl From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Thu Jun 4 07:16:57 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (SPRAWL) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 07:16:57 -0400 Subject: OFF: Scientology// DUMPSTER DIVING Message-ID: hahahaha... i'll be sending you a shopping list soon. ;) i don't know what your laws are concerning treasure-hunting in dumpsters, but in the U.S., if they throw it out, its anybody's property. If they call the cops, the cops will tell them to leave you alone, so long as you are not making a mess or disturbance. it would have been interesting if you could have retrieved the HDDs from the old 386's. oh well... rj From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jun 4 07:23:33 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 07:23:33 EDT Subject: BOC: Astoria In-Reply-To: <199806040904.KAA27055@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: 01bd8f43$0201dfe0$6a3f63c3 at default> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Message-ID: <2C89B8456A at library.syr.edu> > From: bart > > Highlights: A-number-one "Last Days", smashing "Live for Me" (I was > > surprised how much I liked that one), super "Vigil" (in spite of > > Rondinelli's crash-bang drumming which nearly spoiled it), "Lips", "Reaper", Yeah, my only critique of Bobby is he overdoes it some times. Albert always had a lot better understanding of the material... > > "Telepaths". > > setlist was something like Burn4U/Cities/ETI/BucksBoogie/HarvestMoon/F-Telepath > s/ > Vigil/LastDaysMay/SYIB/Godzilla/OD'd/Live4Me/LipsinHills/Reaper Enc: D+s > Helluva setlist! I'm psyched out of my mind to see 'em later this month. I've only heard them do LItH once. Haven't heard FT in a while either! > Yup, as in '95, Last Days of May was the `epic guitar solo centerpiece' of the > gig > and it surely deserved it. Awesome! Somebody needs to get this version down on > disc. > Amen! Last Days has been in the set for a while now, and it's better than ever. Wouldn't mind a good live recording of Buck's Boogie either, which also seems to be getting better and better... > theo .................. "...Cause it makes me mad, And I get evil as a man can be." --A.K. ............................... From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jun 4 07:39:10 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 07:39:10 EDT Subject: BOC: Astoria In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Stephen Swann > Last Days really has turned into a sort of mini-epic, though, hasn't it? > At least if you got the version Buck has been performing in the States for > the last few years. The last time I saw them was about 3.5 years ago in > Raleigh, and I was blown away by that song. "A transcendant guitar > playing odyssey" was the overblown-sounding description I conceived at > the time. ;-) But, even as overtstated as it sounds, I think the song > (and Buck's playing) have become so amazing that it deserves a hyperbolic > description like that... > You are correct sir! No amount of hyperbole is excessive in describing BD's playing lately. His live work is now as good as his studio work, which is pretty scary. Last Days is indeed an odyssey. BD scans the entire spectrum of his playing, fast slow, furious, thoughtful--all in one solo... theo .................. "...Cause it makes me mad, And I get evil as a man can be." --A.K. ............................... From jean-charles.moriaud at DIGITAL.COM Thu Jun 4 08:32:29 1998 From: jean-charles.moriaud at DIGITAL.COM (Jean-Charles Moriaud) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 13:32:29 +0100 Subject: BOC: Astoria Message-ID: I can't wait until next Wednesday for the Munich show when I read the early reports from the London Astoria. I hope they keep the same set list... Anybody from this list going to Munich? Cheers, ___________________________________ Jean-Charles Moriaud - DIGITAL Tel:+41 22 709 4979 - Fax: +41 22 709 4140 mailto:jean-charles.moriaud at digital.com X.400: c=ch;a=concert;p=digital;o=mail From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 4 09:40:43 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 13:40:43 +0000 Subject: BOC: Astoria Message-ID: On ons 3 jun 1998 23.57 +0100 "Andy Gilham" wrote: > Excellent boc-l turnout - lots of familair faces, lots of not familiar faces > too. Loads of the fuckers! Yeah, there were loads of us. Anyone know how many, actually? I lost count :) > I thought sHeavy were fairly sHit, but there you go. Decent version of "War > Pigs", but it's hard to fuck up "War Pigs". They were not nearly as good as I'd hoped, having heard their albums and especially after hearing that their gig at the Garage on Monday had been excellent. Ah well. They might have been more fun headlining in a small venue. They looked a bit lost and listless up there at the Astoria. Truth, though: it _is_ hard to fuck up "War Pigs" :) > Highlights: A-number-one "Last Days", smashing "Live for Me" (I was > surprised how much I liked that one), super "Vigil" (in spite of > Rondinelli's crash-bang drumming which nearly spoiled it), "Lips", "Reaper", > "Telepaths". Vigil rocked. And the repetitive lyrics in "See You in Black" were not so bad when the chorus is being bellowed out on every side. I swear, it wasn't just the list-members up there who knew the words to everything, it was _everyone_ up at the front. How was the rest of the crowd, anyone? Probably the best BOC gig I've seen--the band was ripping, the fans were psyched, and there was lots of material I hadn't heard live before. Can't complain. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 4 09:42:33 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 13:42:33 +0000 Subject: BOC: Astoria Message-ID: On tor 4 jun 1998 11.21 +0100 "David Hardman" wrote: > The overall sound last night I thought was fantastic - perhaps the best > I've ever heard them. Buck's lead lines soared crystal clear. Eric had a > bit of a sound problem with his guitar early on, leading to a guitar > change which quickly sorted matters out. Actually, when Allen was supposed to do a keys break in "BB", there was nothing coming out--techies appeared wielding flashlights, but in the meantime Buck stepped in a filled it out with an extra series of guitar breaks. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Jun 4 09:15:14 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (David Hardman) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:15:14 +0100 Subject: BOC: Astoria In-Reply-To: <444639.3105956553@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > The overall sound last night I thought was fantastic - perhaps the best > > I've ever heard them. Buck's lead lines soared crystal clear. Eric had a > > bit of a sound problem with his guitar early on, leading to a guitar > > change which quickly sorted matters out. > > Actually, when Allen was supposed to do a keys break in "BB", there > was nothing coming out--techies appeared wielding flashlights, but in the > meantime Buck stepped in a filled it out with an extra series of guitar > breaks. Sheesh! The things you miss when yer having a good time. You know, I woke up this morning and as I was trying to recall the setlist I suddenly realised I couldn't remember there being a keyboard break in BB, but thought maybe I'd forgotten. Buck obviously did a good job of filling in then, cos I didn't notice anything wrong. I did notice that Eric got the lyric wrong in "Lips" - "I've been stripped, the insulation's gone" appeared in both the first and second verse (I think it's meant to be the second?). Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman HCI Design Centre School of Informatics City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Jun 4 09:16:07 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:16:07 +0100 Subject: BOC: Astoria In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 04 Jun 1998 13:40:43 -0000." <438057.3105956443@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > On ons 3 jun 1998 23.57 +0100 "Andy Gilham" > wrote: > > Excellent boc-l turnout - lots of familair faces, lots of not familiar > faces > > too. Loads of the fuckers! > > Yeah, there were loads of us. Anyone know how many, actually? I > lost count :) You Dave H Jon B Me Rich L Charlie G (ex list) Andy G Chris W Jon Jarrett Mike (?) + Somebody we should have met inside but didn't ? There'll be a fair few of us again at MoR on the 14th too ? > Vigil rocked. And the repetitive lyrics in "See You in Black" were > not so bad when the chorus is being bellowed out on every side. I swear, > it wasn't just the list-members up there who knew the words to everything, > it was _everyone_ up at the front. How was the rest of the crowd, anyone? Yeah. I thought the vocals were mixed too far down, but in retrospect it was because everybody was yelling the words. Certainly the fullest crowd I've seen at a BOC gig since 85. Tim From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 4 11:05:29 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:05:29 +0000 Subject: BOC: Astoria Message-ID: >> Yeah, there were loads of us. Anyone know how many, actually? I >> lost count :) > > You Dave H Jon B > Me Rich L Charlie G (ex list) > Andy G Chris W > Jon Jarrett Mike (?) + Somebody we should have met inside > but didn't ? That last may have been Anna Shefl, from Cambridge (whom Jon Jarrett converted to BOC and Hawkwind--well done, Jon), but she did make it in time for BOC and we caught up with her down at the front. I don't think she's a list-member, though is drifting dangerously close to a subscription. > There'll be a fair few of us again at MoR on the 14th too ? Well, you, Andy G., and I. Anyone else!? :) One of my friends from the Cambridge Rock Society will be coming down as well. We need to sort out a pub-meeting ... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Thu Jun 4 10:11:57 1998 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:11:57 +0100 Subject: BOC: Astoria Message-ID: >> Yeah, there were loads of us. Anyone know how many, actually? I >> lost count :) > > You Dave H Jon B > Me Rich L Charlie G (ex list) > Andy G Chris W > Jon Jarrett Mike (?) + Somebody we should have met inside > but didn't ? I'm afraid that "Somebody" was me, who, for personal reasons could not make the show. :-( Glad to hear everyone had a good 'un. Maybe I'll get to meet y'all next time.... Neil the gutted. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 4 11:16:33 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:16:33 +0000 Subject: OFF: Acrimony, Cambridge, 10 June Message-ID: Acrimony will be playing The Cellar Bar, Napier Street, Cambridge UK on Wednesday, 10 June. Doors open at 7 (gig probably ends around midnight). Entry is 3 quid (well, 2 if you're a member of the Cambridge Rock Society ...) Anyone one on the list who wants to come along, I can provide some crash space. I've also just foolishly volunteered crash space to Acrimony after the gig, and that should be ... interesting. During the set change between the last support band and Acrimony I'll be in charge of incidental music, spinning some Hawkwind and other space-rock, stoner-rock stuff. Should be a blast! Official announcement follows: ----- Rocksoc May Brawl Wed. Jun 10th. The Cellar Bar, Napier Street, Cambridge 7-12pm 3 quid non-members, 2 quid members. And no, you don't have to be a student to get in! The Bands: Acrimony "Tumuli Shroomaroom is a huge collection of high times, low frequencies and blissful bludgeon" ( KERRANG! - 5K's !!) Acrimony were nominated for BEST NEW BAND at last years Kerrang Awards. We're proud to present the Swansea-based stoners in this one-off gig before they go to record their third full-length slab of shamanic mushroom metal for Peaceville. Their previous album - "Tumuli Shroomaroom" - received full-marks reviews in a number of magazines with its unique blend of heavy grooves and spaced-out trippiness. And they're even better live! Epitome "London's heaviest metal band," Epitome's self-financed debut album "Lifeless Life" earned a positive three-K review in Kerrang! last week. Thundering extreme metal played with control and finesse! Rome Burns Enthusiastic goth-rock band from Cambridge, renowned for their catchy tunes and often sarcastic lyrics. Presently being chased by at least one record company, catch them now while they're still free! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Thu Jun 4 10:18:48 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:18:48 -0400 Subject: It's Showtime! Message-ID: Hey Torgo, Thanks for the directions. I used www.mapsonus.com to plan a route, and it didn't have It's Showtime in the database, but it _did_ have Casa Too Mucha. I've been debating whether to go to Big Flats (which is closer to me) or New Hartford, but with tix being $24 to wait through Molly Hatchet (the poor man's Skynyrd), and Jefferson StarTrek or whatever they call themselves now (and minus Marty Balin too :( )NH seems like the best bet. See you there! Theo: Are you going to be at this one too? No tornadoes in my neighborhood, but 70mph winds, horizontal rain, and temperatures reminicent of March. I Love New York! Brian 4 CDs at work> BOC- Tyranny & Mutation Hawkwind- The Business Trip Monster Magnet- Spine of God Deep Purple- Abandon >Kids: > >I snagged my tickets tonight for the June 25th BOC show at "It's >Showtime" in New Hartford NY. Tix were 10 bucks in advance, not sure >what they will cost the DOS. Two opening acts, Gridley Page and Calypso: >a couple of local bands. > >Tickets say no cameras or recorders, just so you know. > >"It's Showtime" is easy to find. It's right on Genessee street in New >hartford, on the egde of Utica. It sits nearly UNDER the bridge where >NYS route 8 goes over Genessee street. You can see it from route 8. >Never noticed this place before as it was a closed up movie theater for >as long as I can remember. Oh, and by the way, directly across the >street is my all time favorite restaurant on this planet; "Casa Too >Mucha". It's easily the best mexican restaurant in the world. > >Any other New Yorkers sick to bloody death of these freakin tornadoes? >After two powerless nights huddled in the basement while the trees >around my house fall over... I'm ready for something BETTER! Come on >June 25th!!!!! :^D > > >Torgo has left the building....... >*********************************************** >Torgo at norwich.net DrTorgo at hotmail.com >http://welcome.to/torgos >*********************************************** >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jun 4 10:49:25 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:49:25 EDT Subject: It's Showtime! In-Reply-To: <329A5258416CD111928F006008A62C7624A690@bpxsv.156.106.206.in-addr.arpa> Message-ID: > From: brian halligan > > Theo: Are you going to be at this one too? > Brian, Definitely New Hartford, probably Big Flats, if I can figure out where it's at and a few more details, like is it an indoor or outdoor gig, how big a venue, security officers etc. Anyone been able to get through on the phone? They're running big ads in the Syr. New Times, so it looks like a substantial gig--lots of second tier country acts on the schedule... theo .................. "...Cause it makes me mad, And I get evil as a man can be." --A.K. ............................... From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Thu Jun 4 10:59:14 1998 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:59:14 +0100 Subject: BOC: Astoria In-Reply-To: <199806040904.KAA27055@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, bart wrote: > setlist was something like Burn4U/Cities/ETI/BucksBoogie/HarvestMoon/F-Telepath > s/Vigil/LastDaysMay/SYIB/Godzilla/OD'd/Live4Me/LipsinHills/Reaper Enc: D+s It was far and away the sloppiest version of 'OD'd' that I've ever heard - and they missed a chorus cue on 'Lips' as well. Did anyone note the set order definitively - I thought 'OD'd' was earlier. 'Live for me' was the only song I hadn't heard live before. Generally I was less than impressed with the show - not a patch on the last London gig at the Forum. It wasn't only Eric's guitar that was playing up; the keyboards were falling apart at one stage (definitely during BB, but I think they had been misbehaving before that, too). Allan was obviously enjoying it, but I was listening closely to his guitar (being right in front of his amp) and he was not always hitting the notes right (especially on the opener, 'Burnin' for you'). It was very noticeable how Eric's voice was being paced - in fact I'm pretty sure Buck asked him if he felt up to singing 'Telepaths' at all. Lines like 'Transformations which were too hard to find' were sung adequately, but he used to belt that line out Pavarotti-style! The band started hitting their stride when the equipment problems had been sorted. 'Last Days' was terrific - I can't wait for this version to appear on record. 'SYIB' was great - you definitely need some kind of surround-sound system to hit you with the chorus from all directions. 'Reaper' (surprisingly?) was excellent as well. I would have liked a cover for an extra encore, preferably 'I feel free' or 'WGGOTP'. - Mike (?) - aka Mike Godwin PS re openers: I don't think "Burnin' " is a good opener as it requires all the voices and instruments to be mixed just right. I have seen them open with 'The red and the black' and either that or 'Stairway' is a better bet. PPS Didn't Alexei Sayle have a 'Fat Bastard' song at one time? From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Thu Jun 4 11:09:02 1998 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:09:02 +0100 Subject: BOC:Astoria In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, David Hardman wrote: > Is "Godzilla" going to be used in the forthcoming movie? Eric made an announcement before the song, asking the crowd what they thought about the song being _excluded_ from the movie. He was obviously annoyed about it. > Who is Buck's Boogie named after, and how would you describe the type of > music? I have always assumed that 'Buck's Boogie' is a joke on the title of a Jeff Beck track called 'Beck's Boogie'. Did you spot the musical quotes from 'You can't do that' and 'Cat's Squirrel' in Buck's Boogie? Are there any other tunes that he regularly includes in this number? - Mike Godwin - aka Mike (?) From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Jun 4 11:14:09 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (David Hardman) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:14:09 +0100 Subject: BOC:Astoria In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, M R Godwin wrote: > Did you spot the musical quotes from 'You can't do that' and 'Cat's > Squirrel' in Buck's Boogie? Are there any other tunes that he regularly > includes in this number? I knew about the Beatles thingy, but what or who is Cat's Squirrel? D ****************************************************************************** David Hardman HCI Design Centre School of Informatics City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jun 4 11:27:56 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:27:56 EDT Subject: BOC:Astoria In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> From: David Hardman > > I knew about the Beatles thingy, but what or who is Cat's Squirrel? > > D > It's from Cream's first album. In fact I've heard BD quote other Cream stuff. Once they did I Feel Free for an encore. That was a killer, and a great rendition of the song BTW... theo .................. "...Cause it makes me mad, And I get evil as a man can be." --A.K. ............................... From arjanh at CS.VU.NL Thu Jun 4 11:31:32 1998 From: arjanh at CS.VU.NL (Hulsebos A) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 17:31:32 +0200 Subject: BOC:Astoria In-Reply-To: David Hardman "Re: BOC:Astoria" (Jun 4, 4:14pm) Message-ID: On Jun 4, 4:14pm, David Hardman wrote: >On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, M R Godwin wrote: > >> Did you spot the musical quotes from 'You can't do that' and 'Cat's >> Squirrel' in Buck's Boogie? Are there any other tunes that he regularly >> includes in this number? > >I knew about the Beatles thingy, but what or who is Cat's Squirrel? Cat's Squirrel can be found on Fresh Cream. I think it's a traditional, but I'd have to check. Arjan H -- Disclaimer? Whaddayamean, disclaimer? This is 1998! Arjan Hulsebos -- arjanh at cs.vu.nl For more info (last updated May 19,1998): finger -l arjanh at top.cs.vu.nl From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Jun 4 11:34:32 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (David Hardman) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:34:32 +0100 Subject: BOC: Astoria In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, M R Godwin wrote: > It was very > noticeable how Eric's voice was being paced - in fact I'm pretty sure Buck > asked him if he felt up to singing 'Telepaths' at all. Lines like > 'Transformations which were too hard to find' were sung adequately, but he > used to belt that line out Pavarotti-style! Personally, I can hardly speak today, having hollered myself hoarse last night! ****************************************************************************** David Hardman HCI Design Centre School of Informatics City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Thu Jun 4 11:44:53 1998 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:44:53 +0100 Subject: BOC:Astoria In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, David Hardman wrote: > > Did you spot the musical quotes from 'You can't do that' and 'Cat's > > Squirrel' in Buck's Boogie? Are there any other tunes that he regularly > > includes in this number? > > I knew about the Beatles thingy, but what or who is Cat's Squirrel? It's the big Clapton solo feature on 'Fresh Cream'. I have a feeling that the writing credit is "Trad - arr. S. Splurge"! - Mike Godwin From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Thu Jun 4 11:48:48 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:48:48 -0400 Subject: BOC:Astoria Message-ID: >>I knew about the Beatles thingy, but what or who is Cat's Squirrel? >Cat's Squirrel can be found on Fresh Cream. I think it's a traditional, >but I'd have to check. > >Arjan H It's traditional. It's also on Jethro Tull's 1st album, "This Was." BTW Arjan, I tried to send you a list of bands for the BOC-L tape I sent you, but the message bounced back. I tried to send it again about a half-hour ago. Hopefully it'll make it through this time. Brian From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Thu Jun 4 12:09:03 1998 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:09:03 +0200 Subject: HW: Aliens Message-ID: Hej, I just checked CDZone and they have a new HW limited double vinyl or CD digipack listed for June 5 called Aliens. No description or anything? Is this a new CD or is this yet another compilation, perhaps from the Ron Tree years! Any ideas?? Brock did say a new CD was coming out? scott ObCD- Ian Gillan- Dream Catcher R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 38 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Jun 4 08:12:23 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:12:23 +0000 Subject: It's Showtime! Message-ID: > Brian > 4 CDs at work> > BOC- Tyranny & Mutation > Hawkwind- The Business Trip > Monster Magnet- Spine of God > Deep Purple- Abandon What's your opinion on the new DP??? I'd love to hear some info if you get a chance! -- Nick From mike at PHOENIXPHOTO.COM Thu Jun 4 12:17:19 1998 From: mike at PHOENIXPHOTO.COM (Mike Stanton) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:17:19 -0400 Subject: ETL in general Message-ID: >I used ETL in a similar fashion. I bought Spectres after hearing >Godzilla. Speaking of ETL and Godzilla, is there a copy out there that does not have those damn beeps over Eric's voice at the start of Godzilla? Mike From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jun 4 12:37:27 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 17:37:27 +0100 Subject: BOC: Astoria In-Reply-To: <199806041316.OAA27459@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <199806041316.OAA27459 at dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk>, bart writes >You Dave H Jon B >Me Rich L Charlie G (ex list) >Andy G Chris W >Jon Jarrett Mike (?) + Somebody we should have met inside but didn't >? and Carl! and Trev Hughes was there too, from the HW contingent. -- Jon From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Thu Jun 4 13:16:43 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 13:16:43 -0400 Subject: OFF: New Deep Purple (was RE: It's Showtime!) Message-ID: >What's your opinion on the new DP??? I'd love to hear some info if >you get a chance! > >-- Nick It's ok. I thought it would be better than it is. After about 10 listens, none of the songs have really blown me away. Some are growing on the though. Highlights for me so far are "Seventh Heaven," "'69," and "Bludsucker" which is a remake of "Bloodsucker" from In Rock. Gillan is also in top form on this album. Morse's licks are predictable for the most part, and some of them sound like they were lifted directly off Purpendicular. Lord's keys are excellent as usual, but Paice's drumming isn't as impressive as it was on Purpendicular. In fact, the drum intro to "Any Fule No That" is a less effective clone of the Neil Pert intro to the 1st song on Rush's Counterparts album (I forget the name of the song.) Synopsis: Good, not great. Worth getting if you enjoyed Purpendicular. Brian From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Thu Jun 4 13:41:02 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 13:41:02 EDT Subject: BOC:Astoria Message-ID: Theo wrote > Once they did I Feel Free for an encore When was this? And is it on tape? From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Thu Jun 4 13:42:06 1998 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:42:06 +0100 Subject: HW stuff from the web Message-ID: Hi folks, just ambling around the web and found the following site http://home.clara.co.uk/adawson/index.html which is a web version of the LP track listing and cover scan things and appears to be dead good. I cannot remember anyone else telling me about it, so I'm telling you about it Also, does anyone know anything about the compilation The Art of Marginal Talent where HW do 'Space, a short improv piece of guitar, synths and saxophone.'. This is talked about on: http://www.planet13.co.uk/earthly/shocker.htm Thirdly did anyone get the redone version of Adrian Wagner's Distances Between Us (as mentioned on http://www.mediaquest.co.uk/awdistnc.html) and if so can you tell me if the 'unique and unreleased single written by Adrian Wagner and Robert Calvert and co-produced by Richard Elan called 'Stranger in a Strange Land' taken from the Robert Heinlein story of the same name' is any good? And while we're on the subject of answering tedious and unlikely questions, can you tell me which Hawkwind LP cover Terry Oakes drew? (http://abandon-art.tne.co.uk/artists/biog_to.html) or indeed which one David A Hardy did? (http://www.hardyart.demon.co.uk/biograph.html) mike w From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jun 4 14:13:34 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:13:34 EDT Subject: BOC:Astoria In-Reply-To: <52cf2fe6.3576dc30@aol.com> Message-ID: > From: Chris Baker > Theo wrote > > > Once they did I Feel Free for an encore > > When was this? And is it on tape? Oh, man, it was many, many moons ago, I'd guess around AoF. I certainly do wish I had a tape of it. BOC did the tune justice, and then some, incl. the harmony vocals from the beginning! theo .................. "...Cause it makes me mad, And I get evil as a man can be." --A.K. ............................... From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Jun 4 15:04:37 1998 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trevor thoms) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:04:37 PDT Subject: HW: Smoke Dreams ICU Message-ID: >>From owner-boc-l at listserv.spc.edu Wed Jun 3 09:18:03 1998 >Received: from listserv.spc.edu (listserv at listserv.spc.edu [192.107.46.113]) > by listserv.spc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.8/SPC-2.2-NORELAY) with ESMTP id MAA29361; > Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:13:42 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from LISTSERV.SPC.EDU by LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release > 1.8b) with spool id 132178 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Wed, 3 Jun > 1998 12:13:41 -0400 >Received: from mailgate.spc.edu (root at mailgate.spc.edu [192.107.46.158]) by > listserv.spc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.8/SPC-2.2-NORELAY) with ESMTP id MAA29354 > for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:13:40 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by > mailgate.spc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/SPC-3.0-NORELAY) with SMTP id MAA21296 > for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:13:37 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from (comics.demon.co.uk) [158.152.138.121] by post.mail.demon.net > with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yhGAN-0007bW-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 > 16:13:34 +0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 >Message-ID: >Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:08:16 +0100 >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >From: Jon Browne >Subject: Re: HW: Smoke Dreams ICU >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >In-Reply-To: <4833351003061998/A02713/LNMV02/11C61AA31E00*@MHS> > >In article <4833351003061998/A02713/LNMV02/11C61AA31E00*@MHS>, LN1GJT > writes >> Last time I met >>him was at the Mike Moorcock reading/autographing session at Dillons in >>Kingston last year. > >I was ill, my wife went to this. >Chris, this is where your signed Corum comes from. >smaller and smaller. >-- >Jon > Meanwhile, I still don't know what Smoke Deams is!!! Lori ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Jun 4 15:05:39 1998 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trevor thoms) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:05:39 PDT Subject: HW: Smoke Dreams ICU Message-ID: >>From owner-boc-l at listserv.spc.edu Wed Jun 3 09:18:03 1998 >Received: from listserv.spc.edu (listserv at listserv.spc.edu [192.107.46.113]) > by listserv.spc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.8/SPC-2.2-NORELAY) with ESMTP id MAA29361; > Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:13:42 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from LISTSERV.SPC.EDU by LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release > 1.8b) with spool id 132178 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Wed, 3 Jun > 1998 12:13:41 -0400 >Received: from mailgate.spc.edu (root at mailgate.spc.edu [192.107.46.158]) by > listserv.spc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.8/SPC-2.2-NORELAY) with ESMTP id MAA29354 > for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:13:40 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by > mailgate.spc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/SPC-3.0-NORELAY) with SMTP id MAA21296 > for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:13:37 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from (comics.demon.co.uk) [158.152.138.121] by post.mail.demon.net > with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yhGAN-0007bW-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 > 16:13:34 +0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 >Message-ID: >Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:08:16 +0100 >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >From: Jon Browne >Subject: Re: HW: Smoke Dreams ICU >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >In-Reply-To: <4833351003061998/A02713/LNMV02/11C61AA31E00*@MHS> > >In article <4833351003061998/A02713/LNMV02/11C61AA31E00*@MHS>, LN1GJT > writes >> Last time I met >>him was at the Mike Moorcock reading/autographing session at Dillons in >>Kingston last year. > >I was ill, my wife went to this. >Chris, this is where your signed Corum comes from. >smaller and smaller. >-- >Jon > Meanwhile I still don't know what Smoke Dreams is!! Lori ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From mordru at GEKKO.NET Thu Jun 4 17:03:38 1998 From: mordru at GEKKO.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 17:03:38 -0400 Subject: ICU: TCW79-86 Message-ID: This CDRom is incredible, for the price, I don't think I've ever gotten more good music for less (I mean when I actuallys pent money).... Everything those other people who raved about it said goes double for me... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at gekko.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From adawson at CLARA.NET Thu Jun 4 17:44:35 1998 From: adawson at CLARA.NET (Andrew Dawson) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:44:35 +0100 Subject: HW stuff from the web In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 18:42 04/06/98 +0100, you wrote: >Hi folks, Hi Mike and everyone else, > >just ambling around the web and found the following site > >http://home.clara.co.uk/adawson/index.html > >which is a web version of the LP track listing and cover scan things and >appears to be dead good. I cannot remember anyone else telling me about >it, so I'm telling you about it. Thanks for the plug. Glad you liked the site. I did mention it's existence on this list, admittedly some time ago though and in the middle of another thread. 'fraid you're going to have to revisit though as i've just finished updating the site. See the posting HW:Worldwide Discography Updated for details. cheers for now Andy Andrew Dawson adawson at clara.net Into Hawkwind ? Then check out the Worldwide discography. http://home.clara.net/adawson From adawson at CLARA.NET Thu Jun 4 17:47:54 1998 From: adawson at CLARA.NET (Andrew Dawson) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:47:54 +0100 Subject: HW: Aliens In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 18:09 04/06/98 +0200, you wrote: >Hej, > > I just checked CDZone and they have a new HW limited double vinyl >or CD digipack listed for June 5 called Aliens. No description or anything? >Is this a new CD or is this yet another compilation, perhaps from the Ron >Tree years! > >Any ideas?? Yeah,saw this listed on a site a few days ago. Not sure if it was CDzone though. Thought at the time it was probably a typo and they meant Alien 4. Not so sure now you mention the June date. Anyone else have any ideas on this Andy Andrew Dawson adawson at clara.net Into Hawkwind ? Then check out the Worldwide discography. http://home.clara.net/adawson From adawson at CLARA.NET Thu Jun 4 17:56:38 1998 From: adawson at CLARA.NET (Andrew Dawson) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:56:38 +0100 Subject: HW:Worldwide Discography Updated Message-ID: Hi folks, have just finished updating the Worldwide Discography. A new section has been added detailing all Hawkwind's singles & E.P's with graphics of all the sleeves and labels as well as the demo/promo releses. The graphics in the album/CD section have also been updated. These are now larger (but not too large) and clearer. (I've now learnt how to use my scanner properly ). Check it out and let me know what you think. URl in sig. Cheers for now Andy Andrew Dawson adawson at clara.net Into Hawkwind ? Then check out the Worldwide discography. http://home.clara.net/adawson From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu Jun 4 18:37:30 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 00:37:30 +0200 Subject: BOC-Locitcity (was: Re: HW: Smoke Dreams ICU) Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > > > >I was ill, my wife went to this. > >Chris, this is where your signed Corum comes from. > >smaller and smaller. > > > Definitly. I was there too and had quite a long chat with Linda Moorcock! > > Si > > ----- > "I`ve got 'some' answers to 'most' of your questions!" > The Alice Cooper Trivia File - > http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/intro.html > Must be that Corum comic which has kept me awake all these nights (strange lights and shrieking sounds emanating from the comix box :) Chr. ObCD: Magnog "The future's so bright, I've got to wear a fucking welder's mask." - Fish From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu Jun 4 18:37:52 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 00:37:52 +0200 Subject: HW: What now? Message-ID: > What's really fucked up about this is that I *am* a foaming at the > mouth Blade Runner fan. I bought a DVD player within a week of the > format being announced, largely Blade Runner was one of the initial 10 > releases by Warner Bros. Because it was the director's cut. Does > the Alien's cut fix any of the consistency problems in the film? I'll > put a down-payment on a 6-D psychographic projector now! ;-) > > I just got done listening to Tool's "3rd Eye" as well. Should I go > listen to _Sychronicity_, now?! > > Steve, > no longer just behind on his mail, but feeling disturbed as well > > obLastWeek'sDVDpurchase: _Brazil_ > That early draft for the X-Files film plot was just a smoke screen for the forthcoming Spielberg Illuminatus! trilogy (well, sextology but that's only half of it). The 6D Aliens cut of Bladerunner has the narration of Harrison Ford subtitled in Norwegian. Chr. (ObColors: Police _Synchronicity_) "The future's so bright, I've got to wear a fucking welder's mask." - Fish From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Jun 4 19:25:08 1998 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:25:08 +1000 Subject: HW: Aliens Message-ID: On 4 Jun 98, at 18:09, Scott Heller wrote: > I just checked CDZone and they have a new HW limited double vinyl > or CD digipack listed for June 5 called Aliens. ... > Brock did say a new CD was coming out? Well, when I spoke to Dave the other week he still did not know if the new CD would be on EBS or another label, so I seriously doubt that it's the new one Soniqu? From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 4 20:35:02 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 01:35:02 +0100 Subject: HW stuff from the web In-Reply-To: M S Wright's message of Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:42:06 +0100 Message-ID: Dunno about the other questions you ask but David Hardy did the painting on the back of the Hall of the Mountain Grill cover - leastways his signature is on the back cover! Nice picture too - must get it scanned in as a backdrop one day when I have a decent machine that will display it. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Jun 4 21:08:32 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (The Automind) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:08:32 PDT Subject: OFF: Scientology// DUMPSTER DIVING Message-ID: >hahahaha... > >i'll be sending you a shopping list soon. ;) >i don't know what your laws are concerning treasure-hunting in >dumpsters, but in the U.S., if they throw it out, its anybody's >property. If they call the cops, the cops will tell them to leave you >alone, so long as you are not making a mess or disturbance. I knew that, but I think because they rent the dumpster (and must own the land its on, right?) its still their property. My friend stopped me, but I was trying to get the guy so infuriated that he actually DID call the cops. When he went inside to use the phone we could've ran off with the monitors, then watched from a distance when they arrived. How would the police have dealt with this situation, where this lunatic is screaming at them to go after that two hippies who had stolen broken computer monitors from his church's trash? >it would have been interesting if you could have retrieved the HDDs >from the old 386's. FUCK!!! I didn't think of that! the hard drives could easily be intact... who knows what could be on them! I'm going back tonight before the subway shuts down, I only hope that they haven't been emptied yet. screwdrivers...check! wire snips...check! flashlight...check! Our Zemu, which art in space, tua culpa, tua culpa, tua maxima culpa... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Thu Jun 4 21:56:29 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:56:29 -0700 Subject: HW stuff from the web In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > And while we're on the subject of answering tedious and unlikely > questions, can you tell me which Hawkwind LP cover Terry Oakes drew? > (http://abandon-art.tne.co.uk/artists/biog_to.html) > mike w He is credited with "illustration" on 'Choose Your Masques,' with "cover design" by Andrew Christian and "finished artwork" by Partridge/Rushton Associates, so I'm not sure which part of it he did. Kevin Sommers ? Primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu ? http://www.psn.net/~novadrive/ From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jun 5 04:16:27 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:16:27 +0100 Subject: OFF: Footy chants In-Reply-To: <000001bd8f93$8dfeea60$813f63c3@default> Message-ID: In article <000001bd8f93$8dfeea60$813f63c3 at default>, Andy Gilham writes >It started at football matches, where if a player appeared to be overweight, >you'd get said chants, usually interspersed with "who ate all the pies?". I stand corrected then. On the subject of football chants, one springs to mind regarding the England side and this morning's papers. "You're shit and you know you are!" -- Jon From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Jun 5 04:24:28 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:24:28 +0100 Subject: OFF: Footy chants In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I stand corrected then. I was about to say that! :) I dunno, both are plausible. > On the subject of football chants, one springs to mind regarding the > England side and this morning's papers. > > "You're shit and you know you are!" > -- > Jon > Come an' 'ave a go if ya fink yer 'ard enuff! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jun 5 05:32:00 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:32:00 +0000 Subject: BOC: Astoria set list? Message-ID: Was it ever determined what the set list (correct order or not) at the Astoria was? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri Jun 5 00:38:24 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 04:38:24 +0000 Subject: OFF: New Deep Purple (was RE: It's Showtime!) Message-ID: > >What's your opinion on the new DP??? I'd love to hear some info if > >you get a chance! > > > >-- Nick > > It's ok. I thought it would be better than it is. After about 10 > listens, none of the songs have really blown me away. Some are growing > on the though. Highlights for me so far are "Seventh Heaven," "'69," > and "Bludsucker" which is a remake of "Bloodsucker" from In Rock. > Gillan is also in top form on this album. Morse's licks are predictable > for the most part, and some of them sound like they were lifted directly > off Purpendicular. Lord's keys are excellent as usual, but Paice's > drumming isn't as impressive as it was on Purpendicular. In fact, the > drum intro to "Any Fule No That" is a less effective clone of the Neil > Pert intro to the 1st song on Rush's Counterparts album (I forget the > name of the song.) Synopsis: Good, not great. Worth getting if you > enjoyed Purpendicular. > > Brian I'm a little bit saddened by your review, but I'm sure I'll buy it anyway. For me, DP is one of those 'must buy' bands. Oh well. -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri Jun 5 00:38:24 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 04:38:24 +0000 Subject: BOC:Astoria Message-ID: > > Theo wrote > > > > > Once they did I Feel Free for an encore > > > > When was this? And is it on tape? > > Oh, man, it was many, many moons ago, I'd guess around AoF. I > certainly do wish I had a tape of it. BOC did the tune justice, and > then some, incl. the harmony vocals from the beginning! > > > theo This brings up a question I'd like to ask all the 'elder statesmen' of this list. I didn't see my first BOC concert till about '92. I've seen them maybe six times now, but I've never seen them do a single cover tune. Over the years, and aside from the ones already on tape/record/CD, what covers have people seen BOC do? -- Nick From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Jun 5 04:44:37 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:44:37 +0100 Subject: BOC: Shirley's new book Message-ID: Only because I wanted something to read on the train, OK, anyway I got John Shirley's new collection, _Black Butterflies_, yesterday. It's divided into two halves: "This World" fairly straight _noir_, "That World" horror/supernatural. One of the "That World" stories is called "Flaming Telepaths". I've read a couple of the "This World" stories so far - OK, nothing Jim Thompson didn't do 40 years ago, and pale in comparison to real classics like Derek Raymond's _I Was Dora Suarez_ (plug plug), but OK all the same. But since I got a massive shipment from amazon.com this morning, including Mick Farren's _The Time of Feasting_, the other stories may have to wait... - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri Jun 5 04:47:28 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:47:28 +0100 Subject: BOC: Astoria set list? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 05 Jun 1998 09:32:00 -0000." <24924.3106027920@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > Was it ever determined what the set list (correct order or > not) at the Astoria was? > That list I made was definitely out of order :-P However I can't recall any other songs that they did. Even though we asked for Hammerback and Diz-Busters many a time ;-) Tim From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Jun 5 04:54:16 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:54:16 +0100 Subject: BOC: Astoria set list? In-Reply-To: <199806050847.JAA29204@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: > Even though we asked for Hammerback and Diz-Busters many a time ;-) And I called for "Golden Age" - before I'd finished my beer! :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Jun 5 05:11:16 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:11:16 +0100 Subject: HW: Aliens In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980604224754.008dbd90@clara.net> Message-ID: CDS sent me a flyer this morning for an album called "The Elf and the Hawk", by Hawkwind and Alan Davey. This is due for release in June on EBS, and contains: - all tracks from Alan's vinyl-only single "The Elf". - three tracks from the Hawkfan 12" (Countdown, Ejection, and Ghost Dance). - one new track from Dave. - three new tracks from PXR-1, formerly known as Spacehead. I don't know the exact relation between Spacehead and PXR-1. I don't know if there were other tracks on the Hawkfan 12". The flyer says that these tracks have never been available on CD before. Obviously I have no idea whether this is the same album as you saw advertised as "Aliens", although it seems possible. And who knows whether this is the album that Dave told Sonique about, or whether there is a new HW album on the way as well? Dave. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jun 5 06:27:00 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:27:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Aliens Message-ID: On fre 5 jun 1998 10.11 +0100 "Dave Berry" wrote: > CDS sent me a flyer this morning for an album called "The Elf and the Hawk", > by Hawkwind and Alan Davey. This is due for release in June on EBS, and > contains: > - all tracks from Alan's vinyl-only single "The Elf". > - three tracks from the Hawkfan 12" (Countdown, Ejection, and Ghost Dance). > - one new track from Dave. > - three new tracks from PXR-1, formerly known as Spacehead. > I don't know the exact relation between Spacehead and PXR-1. I don't know > if there were other tracks on the Hawkfan 12". The flyer says that these > tracks have never been available on CD before. I think that's true, anyway. This looks liable to be a handy means of filling in a gap which I had more or less given up on covering! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jun 5 07:13:01 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 07:13:01 EDT Subject: BOC:Astoria In-Reply-To: <19980605083350.AAB3489@[208.214.94.75]> Message-ID: From: Nick English > > This brings up a question I'd like to ask all the 'elder statesmen' > of this list. I didn't see my first BOC concert till about '92. I've > seen them maybe six times now, but I've never seen them do a single > cover tune. Over the years, and aside from the ones already on > tape/record/CD, what covers have people seen BOC do? > I'll steal John's thunder here: it's in the FAQ! I'm having trouble remembering any others, but I know they did a couple Beatles tunes. Of Course Joe quoted bits from many famous songs during his solos. Because the current setlist is usually pretty much set from tour to tour, I doubt they do covers anymore... theo .................. "...Cause it makes me mad, And I get evil as a man can be." --A.K. ............................... From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 5 07:17:39 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:17:39 +0100 Subject: HW: Private gig Message-ID: I've just had email from someone regarding the possibility of running a Hawkwind stream at an SF Con. I've invited this person to join the list and talk to us. I'd say this sounds like a promising possibility and that with some work from us, it could be made to happen. Comments? FoFP ---- Start of forwarded text ---- > Well, the interest is because I am running a multi media and SF con in > London next July, and this seems like a *very* whizzo thing to have as a > major event at it. I need to go back and read your post again, but it somes > down to things like whether they'd be interested, is there a cost, logistics > etc..... > > As credentials, I offer the fact that K and I have been running (fan) > cons for twenty yers including at least one Worldcon! > ---- End of forwarded text ---- From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 5 07:58:53 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:58:53 +0100 Subject: HW stuff from the web In-Reply-To: J Strobridge's message of Fri, 5 Jun 1998 01:35:02 +0100 Message-ID: J Strobridge writes: > Dunno about the other questions you ask but David Hardy did the > painting on the back of the Hall of the Mountain Grill cover - > leastways his signature is on the back cover! Nice picture too - must > get it scanned in as a backdrop one day when I have a decent machine > that will display it. I have a limited edition print of his "Geyser on Triton" up on the wall. Didn't he also do the one where spacesuited folks are skiing on Mars? FoFP From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Fri Jun 5 08:12:48 1998 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:12:48 +0100 Subject: HW stuff from the web In-Reply-To: <199806051158.MAA07589@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Jun 1998, M Holmes wrote: > J Strobridge writes: > > > Dunno about the other questions you ask but David Hardy did the > > painting on the back of the Hall of the Mountain Grill cover - > > I have a limited edition print of his "Geyser on Triton" up on the wall. > > Didn't he also do the one where spacesuited folks are skiing on Mars? > I don't know about that, but there is a BOC connection, ISTR there is a BOC song Ezekiel's wheels, and he's done a painting called this on his site http://www.hardyart.demon.co.uk/scifict.html From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Fri Jun 5 08:23:37 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:23:37 -0400 Subject: OFF: New Deep Purple (was RE: It's Showtime!) Message-ID: >I'm a little bit saddened by your review, but I'm sure I'll buy it >anyway. For me, DP is one of those 'must buy' bands. Oh well. > >-- Nick Maybe I'm just being hard on it because I expected it to be much better than Purpendicular (from Roger Glover's studio reports/fan-site hype/etc.) Maybe you'll hear something in it that I missed. I'm definately looking forward to seeing them on tour this August. I think some of the new songs will sound much more vital on stage. Brian From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jun 5 09:24:02 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:24:02 +0000 Subject: HW: Private gig Message-ID: On fre 5 jun 1998 12.17 +0100 "M Holmes" wrote: > I've just had email from someone regarding the possibility of running a > Hawkwind stream at an SF Con. I've invited this person to join the list > and talk to us. I'd say this sounds like a promising possibility and > that with some work from us, it could be made to happen. > Comments? I'm for it :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Fri Jun 5 08:26:09 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:26:09 +0100 Subject: HW: Private gig In-Reply-To: <862816.3106041842@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: Ditto. Kevin Perry Technical Manager Wide Multimedia http://www.wide.co.uk/ > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On Behalf Of Carl Edlund Anderson > Sent: 05 June 1998 13:25 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: HW: Private gig > > On fre 5 jun 1998 12.17 +0100 "M Holmes" > wrote: > > I've just had email from someone regarding the possibility > of running a > > Hawkwind stream at an SF Con. I've invited this person to > join the list > > and talk to us. I'd say this sounds like a promising possibility and > > that with some work from us, it could be made to happen. > > Comments? > > I'm for it :) From talger at PIPELINE.COM Fri Jun 5 08:57:58 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:57:58 -0400 Subject: BOC: covers In-Reply-To: <445CE82DD5@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: theo said > From: Nick English >> >> This brings up a question I'd like to ask all the 'elder statesmen' >> of this list. I didn't see my first BOC concert till about '92. I've >> seen them maybe six times now, but I've never seen them do a single >> cover tune. Over the years, and aside from the ones already on >> tape/record/CD, what covers have people seen BOC do? >> > >I'll steal John's thunder here: it's in the FAQ! > >I'm having trouble remembering any others, but I know they did a >couple Beatles tunes. Of Course Joe quoted bits from many famous >songs during his solos. Because the current setlist is usually >pretty much set from tour to tour, I doubt they do covers anymore... > personally, I've only heard the regulars (Born To Be Wild and Roadhouse Blues) unless you count all the Beatles and other old covers that Buck did with and without Danny at the Atlanta show and the BBQ.... however, I do know some people that saw them do "Satisfaction" last year (?) in Seattle or somewhere in WA state when the Stones were in town. Ted From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Fri Jun 5 09:12:59 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:12:59 -0400 Subject: List of songs for Arjan Hulsebos Message-ID: Hi Arjan, I got another error sending you the list so I'll try it this way. Here's what the error said: >Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients. > > Subject: RE: Tape > Sent: 6/3/98 9:04 AM > >The following recipient(s) could not be reached: > > 'Hulsebos A' on 6/5/98 9:06 AM > The recipient was unavailable to take delivery of the message > MSEXCH:IMS:Buck & Pulleyn:Rochester:BPXSV 3499 (000B0981) Host unreachable And here's the original message: >I can't find the sheet with the songs I copied for you, so this is from memory. If you could >send the names of the songs I've missed, I'll write you back with the remaining band names. >Sorry about the hang-up. > >Here's the song list: > >Metal Head-> Blotto >Night of the Mexican Goat Sucker-> Djam Karet >Weinerschnitzel-> Descendents >Run M.F. Run-> David Roter Method >Chicken Dog-> Jon Spencer Blues Explosion >One Inch Man-> Kyuss >Fuel-> Front 242 >French Disko-> Stereolab >Up For the Down Stroke-> Parliament >Lovin' Cup-> Jane Siberry >Gutbucket-> Little Georgie and the Shuffling Hungarians >Whaling Stories-> Procol Harum >Won't Be Long-> Rusted Root >Horse Nation-> The Cult >Sieve Fisted Find-> Fugazi >Yellow Pills-> 20/20 >Hocus Pocus (US single version)-> Focus >(Now That's) The Barclords-> Urge Overkill >Rubber Biscuit-> The Blues Brothers >Lonesome Train Whistle-> Reverend Horton Heat > >Check out http://www.allmusic.com for info about any of these bands. > >I got the ad for VOX wah pedals and the "He's coming, your local DJ" clips from a mix tape, so I >don't know their origin. Cheers, Brian From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Jun 5 09:20:20 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:20:20 +0100 Subject: List of songs for Arjan Hulsebos In-Reply-To: <329A5258416CD111928F006008A62C76352FF9@bpxsv.156.106.206.in-addr.arpa> Message-ID: This is proving to be v. interesting - there's next to no overlap of artists, let alone tracks, of any of the tapes I know about! FWIW, this is what poor old Rich had to put up with from me: Side A Eternity is a Very Long Time - Mick Farren's Tijuana Bible, from Gringo Madness The Burning of Rome - The New Christs, from Born Out of Time Wild America - Wayne Kramer, from Dangerous Madness Bang - Dark Carnival, from The Last Great Ride Rough Slide Drag - Deniz Tek, from Outside >From On High - The New Christs, from Lower Yourself Arts of Darkness - Deviants ixvi, from Eating Jello With a Heated Fork Du hast - Rammstein, from Sehnsucht Driver Down - Trent Reznor, from Lost Highway OST I'm Deranged - David Bowie, from Lost Highway OST Don't Fear the Reaper - The Mutton Birds, from The Frighteners OST Rain - sound effect, from The Mutton Birds' Envy of Angels Side B Thirteen - Johnny Cash, from American Recordings Loving Cup - Giant Sand, from Long Stem Rant Dix heures en ?t? - Fran?oise Hardy, from Le danger The Black Dog Runs at Night - Thought Gang, from Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me OST Quand le soleil devient froid - MC Solaar, from Paradisiaque Seemann - Rammstein, from Herzeleid Play With Fire - Mick Farren, 7", on Fragments of Broken Probes Anglo Girl Desire - Radio Birdman, from Ritualism Valley Of Rain - Giant Sand, from Valley of Rain Roman Holiday - Ron Asheton and the Empty Set, from Thin Slim and None Outside - Deniz Tek, from Outside Esplanade - Fille Qui Mousse, from Trixie Stapelton 291 Do keep those tapes circulating - I want to hear more of them!!! :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Fri Jun 5 09:26:45 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (David Hardman) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:26:45 +0100 Subject: BOC:Astoria In-Reply-To: <445CE82DD5@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: Some guy on the alt.boc newsgroup said that Eric's guitar conked out at the end of the Astoria show, and that Buck pushed over Eric's stack before leaving the stage. Is this right? I'm beginning to think I was at a different show, though admittedly I couldn't see Eric's end of the stage so well. Anyway, the implication was that there might have been another encore but for the equipment problem. But all this stuff seems to have passed me by. When the show started I wandered to a spot about 6 feet back from the stage on Buck's side, and immediately found that the sound there was fantastic, so I hardly moved from that spot all evening. When I saw Eric's guitar being changed I was pretty surprised as I'd not noticed any problem. Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman HCI Design Centre School of Informatics City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri Jun 5 09:40:47 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:40:47 +0100 Subject: List of songs for Arjan Hulsebos In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 05 Jun 1998 14:20:20 BST." <000501bd9084$b0108f40$5b3f63c3@default> Message-ID: Maybe somebody should keep a tally of all songs and in the end, work out the song or artist with the most overlap. Or not :) Tim ObCD: Gov't Mule _Dose_ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Jun 5 09:49:23 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:49:23 +0100 Subject: BOC:Astoria In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Some guy on the alt.boc newsgroup said that Eric's guitar conked out at > the end of the Astoria show, and that Buck pushed over Eric's stack before > leaving the stage. Is this right? He certainly pushed it over, but I didn't think it was on purpose! Other moments I enjoyed (not always for the right reason): * "Let's go back to our _Cult Classic_ album!" * Bloom's keyboard part on one song, can't remember which, which seemed to use *both* index fingers! Truth be told, it was a very sloppy version of "OD'd", there were various equipment hassles, etc, but it was a good gig, so these things didn't matter. If you see what I mean. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From crough45 at AMC.DE Fri Jun 5 10:03:15 1998 From: crough45 at AMC.DE (Chris Croughton) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:03:15 +0000 Subject: HW: Private gig In-Reply-To: <862816.3106041842@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> from "Carl Edlund Anderson" at Jun 5, 98 01:24:02 pm Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > On fre 5 jun 1998 12.17 +0100 "M Holmes" wrote: > > I've just had email from someone regarding the possibility of running a > > Hawkwind stream at an SF Con. I've invited this person to join the list > > and talk to us. I'd say this sounds like a promising possibility and > > that with some work from us, it could be made to happen. > > Comments? > > I'm for it :) Thanks - I'm the person FoFP mentioned. Short bio: I first came across Hawkwind at university, '75-'78. I like the band but I don't know details about them (like who's in or out of the band at the moment etc.), so I guess I'm not a 'fan' in that sense . I am an SF fan, and specifically a filker (filk, in short, is SF music created by SF fans). I'm also a (sound) techie, I've run sound and recording for one small filk convention and been involved in sound tech at several others. In October I'm running tech for a filk convention in Germany with a filk rock band. I have a fair bit of my own tech stuff (but no PA, we hire that if it's more than we have in fandom). FoFP said that you're thinking about a smallish gig, possibly 200 people or so, next year. That sounds feasible to me. I'm willing to do liason with the SF community and tech (either liason if the band have their own tech or run tech if they want someone else to do it). Things I don't know about are venue and finance (you really don't want me doing financial things, trust me!), but I know people who do know about such things from the SF fandom side. Now I need to find the archives and see what you've all said so far ... Chris C From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jun 5 11:16:03 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:16:03 +0000 Subject: BOC:Astoria Message-ID: On fre 5 jun 1998 14.26 +0100 "David Hardman" wrote: > Some guy on the alt.boc newsgroup said that Eric's guitar conked out at > the end of the Astoria show, and that Buck pushed over Eric's stack before > leaving the stage. Is this right? I'm beginning to think I was at a > different show, though admittedly I couldn't see Eric's end of the stage > so well. Anyway, the implication was that there might have been another > encore but for the equipment problem. Something on stage _did_ bite the dust at the end of the gig--I missed what it was, but it was something of Eric's. I remember hearing a thud and him looking at something on the floor in an arsed-off manner, though I couldn't see what it was. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jun 5 11:20:08 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:20:08 +0000 Subject: BOTH: Astoria Message-ID: On fre 5 jun 1998 14.49 +0100 "Andy Gilham" wrote: > * Bloom's keyboard part on one song, can't remember which, which seemed to > use *both* index fingers! I look forward to a Bloom-Bainbridge keyboard album ;) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 5 10:29:45 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:29:45 +0100 Subject: HW: Private gig In-Reply-To: Chris Croughton's message of Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:03:15 +0000 Message-ID: Chris Croughton writes: > Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > > > On fre 5 jun 1998 12.17 +0100 "M Holmes" wrote: > > > I've just had email from someone regarding the possibility of running a > > > Hawkwind stream at an SF Con. I've invited this person to join the list > > > and talk to us. I'd say this sounds like a promising possibility and > > > that with some work from us, it could be made to happen. > > > Comments? > > > > I'm for it :) > > Thanks - I'm the person FoFP mentioned. Short bio: Also Ali has mentioned interest concerning the London Con in July 1999. > I first came across Hawkwind at university, '75-'78. I like the band but > I don't know details about them (like who's in or out of the band at the > moment etc.), so I guess I'm not a 'fan' in that sense . > > I am an SF fan, and specifically a filker (filk, in short, is SF music > created by SF fans). I'm also a (sound) techie, I've run sound and > recording for one small filk convention and been involved in sound tech > at several others. In October I'm running tech for a filk convention in > Germany with a filk rock band. I have a fair bit of my own tech stuff > (but no PA, we hire that if it's more than we have in fandom). > > FoFP said that you're thinking about a smallish gig, possibly 200 people or > so, next year. That sounds feasible to me. I'm willing to do liason with > the SF community and tech (either liason if the band have their own tech or > run tech if they want someone else to do it). Things I don't know about are > venue and finance (you really don't want me doing financial things, trust me!), > but I know people who do know about such things from the SF fandom side. > > Now I need to find the archives and see what you've all said so far ... Could you update Chris please Bernhard? > Chris C FoFP From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 5 12:38:30 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 17:38:30 +0100 Subject: HW: Private gig In-Reply-To: Chris Croughton's message of Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:03:15 +0000 Message-ID: Hi Chris And welcome Chris Croughton writes: > Thanks - I'm the person FoFP mentioned. Short bio: > > I first came across Hawkwind at university, '75-'78. I like the band but > I don't know details about them (like who's in or out of the band at the > moment etc.), so I guess I'm not a 'fan' in that sense . Don't worry - not even those who know Hawkwind well know who's in band sometimes! When last heard it was Dave Brock, Richard Chadwick (drums) Ron Tree, Jerry Richards - > run tech if they want someone else to do it). Things I don't know about are > venue and finance (you really don't want me doing financial things, trust me!), > but I know people who do know about such things from the SF fandom side. Where are you planning to hold your con? We've no venue planned but I guess we should look for something close by - or maybe could take over a chunk of your venue if there are conference facilities available or a big enough room? I guess a nearby hall would probably do and we could get our own licence if there isn't already one? Someone on this list offered tech support as well, a while back. Would you and he be willing to talk and arrange something? I think Bernard is co-ordinating various people's offers of help and finance so he's the person to keep in touch with. Welcome on board! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Fri Jun 5 12:35:19 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 18:35:19 +0200 Subject: HW: Private gig In-Reply-To: <98Jun5.154422gmt.27783@internet01.amc.de> Message-ID: Hello Chris I am (with Mike Holmes) the creator of the idea to let do HAWKWIND a private gig for the fans. I asked the fans to write to me a mail and let me know if they could help to organize such a gig and let me know how much money they would pay to see such a gig happen. What I have now received are about 1200 US$ !!!! I am sure that this is not enough. SO WAKE UP ALL YOU FANS OUT THERE AND LET ME KNOW THAT YOU WANT SPENT SOME MONEY TO SEE OUR BAND PLAYING LIVE FOR US!!!!!!!! Paul Ward was in phone contact to DAVE BROCK from Hawkwind. And Dave said that he is really interested to do such a gig, and it would be best if they could play during a (maybe) Science Fiction convention. I am the one who is trying to coordinate all the things (collecting money, stay in touch with the band and looking for guy who are able to get such an event running. What we have to do now is the following: - ask Dave when the band has the time (my part) - ask Dave how much money he really needs (my part) - find a venue and occasion where the band could play (your part) - stay in touch with the band (Paul Wards and Guy Thomas part) - collecting the money when all problems are fixed (Mike Holmes part ??) What else do we have to do???? cheers Bernhard From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Jun 5 13:04:54 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 18:04:54 +0100 Subject: HW: Private gig In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Fri, 5 Jun 1998 18:35:19 +0200 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > What I have now received are about 1200 US$ !!!! > I am sure that this is not enough. I'm sure it isn't! However I assume we only want *offers* of financial support at this stage - not absolute commitment? I'm sure folk don't want to be too definite just yet - in case nothing happens! > What we have to do now is the following: > > - ask Dave when the band has the time (my part) > - ask Dave how much money he really needs (my part) > - find a venue and occasion where the band could play (your part) > - stay in touch with the band (Paul Wards and Guy Thomas part) > - collecting the money when all problems are fixed (Mike Holmes part ??) > > > What else do we have to do???? One thing at I time I suggest. We've got the interest and some of the commitment so we really need to wait a bit to find out exactly what Dave B expects from his venues, as well as his tech requirements and his finances. Once this is established we can see what's available and whether the two aspects agree with each other. If not - I guess we think again! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jun 5 13:20:01 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 18:20:01 +0100 Subject: BOC:Astoria In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , David Hardman writes >and that Buck pushed over Eric's stack before >leaving the stage. Is this right? oh yeah, it happened alright. It should have gone KERARRNG! SPOANG BLAD OW!! but it didn't. that's rock'n'roll, I guess. I liked the song where everyone shouts "BOLLOCKS!! BOLLOCKS!!" the best. What's it called? 2nd from the last, I think -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jun 5 13:15:46 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 18:15:46 +0100 Subject: OFF: Footy chants In-Reply-To: <000001bd905b$5b4ae2e0$5b3f63c3@default> Message-ID: In article <000001bd905b$5b4ae2e0$5b3f63c3 at default>, Andy Gilham writes > >Come an' 'ave a go if ya fink yer 'ard enuff! > >- Andy You're going home in a cosmic ambience! -- Jon From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jun 5 14:40:39 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 18:40:39 +0000 Subject: BOC:Astoria Message-ID: On fre 5 jun 1998 18.20 +0100 "Jon Browne" wrote: > I liked the song where everyone shouts "BOLLOCKS!! BOLLOCKS!!" > the best. What's it called? 2nd from the last, I think Surely not "Bollocks and Transmission"? -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Jun 5 13:44:32 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 18:44:32 +0100 Subject: OFF: Footy chants In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 18:15 05/06/98 +0100, Jon Browne wrote: >You're going home in a cosmic ambience! Which reminds me of my favourite album title of all time: Snuffsaidcorblimeyguvstonemeifhedidntthrowawobblerchachachachachachachachach achachayouregoinghomeinacosmicambience. Dave Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Jun 5 14:05:37 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 19:05:37 +0100 Subject: BOC:Astoria In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I liked the song where everyone shouts "BOLLOCKS!! BOLLOCKS!!" > the best. What's it called? 2nd from the last, I think That'll be "Dominance and Submission". I like your version though!!! You only win when you're singing! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Jun 5 14:24:15 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:24:15 -0400 Subject: BOC: Covers Message-ID: >I'll steal John's thunder here: it's in the FAQ! Uh, actually no... What's in the FAQ is a list of bands that have covered BOC, not a list of cover songs that BOC has done. I did consider trying to do this, but figured I'd never really have a complete list, especially if you go back to the days of SWU and SFG. However, here's a few that I know of: Born to be Wild - done at least as far back as 1972, and regularly until about 1986 (although I've got a tape of them doing it in 1988). Roadhouse Blues - A standard in the early 80s. Slow Down - Ocassionaly whipped out as an encore in the 90s It's Not Easy - used to be done regularly in the early 70s, and perhaps earlier - featured a "triple drum solo" with Albert getting help from Buck and Eric Auld Lang Syne - at those New Years Eve performances In a Gadda Da Vita - done as a medly with Auld Lang Syne Love Me Two Times - well, one verse and chorus were thrown into the middle of many of their performances of Roadhouse Blues Highway Star?? - Can't confirm this. Someone has sworn that they saw BOC do this in the late 70s - Bolle has said the band never did it live, but may have used it during soundchecks. Albert? There's lots more, I'm sure... John From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Fri Jun 5 14:54:24 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:54:24 EDT Subject: BOC:Astoria Message-ID: Nick E. wrote: > aside from the ones already on tape/record/CD, what covers have people seen BOC do? In late ?73/early ?74 I saw the band twice perform "It?s Not Easy", which apparently was something of a staple of the early days. I suspect that they did not continue doing this for much longer after this. I always viewed this cover of the Stones? song from Aftermath (with its multiple drummers) as something of a precursor to the five guitars, which emerged with ME 262. I did see one night where they did both, however the situation was a little unusual. There were two shows, but the turnout was not great, probably due to the snowstorm that was going on. Eric Bloom announced from stage towards the end of the first set that the theater would not be cleared, everyone could keep their seats, and the band would try to play a lot of different stuff in the second set. This was cool, although (for me) largely due to the set additions. I had a ticket for the second show only, but had arrived early during the opening act of the first show and a sympathetic cop (true), hearing that I?d just arrived by bus and train and was going to be outside for upwards of three hours, told the people at the door to let me in. "It?s Not Easy" was wild, I can remember Bloom and Buck, guitars off, facing each other across Albert?s drum kit, holding crossed drumsticks up in front of their faces, walking slowly towards each other to meet at the drums as they clicked the sticks together in rhythm with what Albert was playing?then kaboom, orgasmus rhythmus. Another one of the dozens of reasons this show sticks in my mind is that it was the last one I ever attended at which marijuana was actually shared?I mean pipes just showing up from down the row and then disappearing on down into the darkeness, an amazing amount of dope and a stoned/stunned audience howling and half-poleaxed with disbelief as the band kept kicking the intensity up another notch, and another, and another, louder than howling Jesus and people?s ribcages vibrating like tuning forks under the sonic onslaught? Fortunately the proximity of these drugs didn?t interfere with my cool appraisal of the performance. Perhaps Albert could shed some light on whether in fact this song was phased out as a result of the five guitars? arrival, or whether it had just been done enough. This song resurfaced on the (80?) Old Waldorf live broadcast from San Francisco, with a classic fucked-up false start. -Chris Baker From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Fri Jun 5 15:02:36 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:02:36 EDT Subject: BOC:Astoria Message-ID: Only other non-officially-documented cover I can think of having seen: "I Want You (She?s So Heavy)", performed several weeks after Lennon?s murder, at a show in Fayetteville NC. There is at least one tape of this song (and it?s gorgeous, if a little muffled) from the same tour, from Biloxi, Mississippi. Although it really doesn?t count as a cover, the band stuck in a verse/chorus of "Kicks" during Dominance and Submission at a show I saw in ?76 in Philadelphia. According to Bolle G., the only available tape of this bit is from the Boston Music Hall show of the same tour. It?s frustrating, since the guy?s tape apparently ran out right at the beginning of it, and you get a fade-in on half the verse, and then the chorus. Still fun though, and it sounds great. -Chris Baker From clemens at TRAIL.COM Fri Jun 5 15:05:00 1998 From: clemens at TRAIL.COM (Clemens) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:05:00 -0600 Subject: Covers Message-ID: There was also 'Ain't Got You' from the '74 concert in Long Beach Mark Licht clemens at trail.com anyone interested in a copy can contact me From talger at PIPELINE.COM Fri Jun 5 15:18:50 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:18:50 -0400 Subject: BOC: Covers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: oh yeah.... I've also heard (but don't have) "Be My Baby" and "Just One Look" ObCD: The Tea Party - Edges of Twilight Ted From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Fri Jun 5 15:24:10 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:24:10 EDT Subject: BOC: Covers Message-ID: The only other covers I have heard on tape (but not seen them do) are: -"Soul Kitchen" -"Turn On Your Love Light" (I think!) (Albert on brushes(?) and some jazzy, almost unaccompanied vocals prior to CoF at a show in England) -"Sea Cruise" I have unfortunately never heard "Be My Baby", anyone who might have it...? BTW, John, whose song is "Slow Down"? -CB From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Jun 5 16:31:23 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:31:23 -0400 Subject: BOC: Covers Message-ID: >BTW, John, whose song is "Slow Down"? Don't know who did it originally, but the Beatles recorded a version (I'm pretty sure, but not positive, that it's not a Beatles original). John From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jun 5 16:48:07 1998 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 06:48:07 +1000 Subject: HW: Strange Daze '98 Poster Message-ID: Gidday Jim Lasko just sent me the latest poster for SD'98 with the latest details on bands attending: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/hawkwind/sd'98.jpg Soniqu? From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Jun 5 17:02:13 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:02:13 -0700 Subject: BOC: Covers Message-ID: At Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:31:23 -0400, John A Swartz wrote: >>BTW, John, whose song is "Slow Down"? > >Don't know who did it originally, but the Beatles recorded a version (I'm >pretty sure, but not positive, that it's not a Beatles original). > >John 50's rocker Larry Williams. I think that the Beatles may have covered one or two other of his songs ("Dizzy Miss Lizzy", perhaps?), and I seem to remember a version of "Slow Down" by some other 70s Hard Rock/Metal act besides BOC, but ... ? -Doug ceres at sirius.com From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Fri Jun 5 19:12:34 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 19:12:34 EDT Subject: BOC: Covers Message-ID: Ted wrote: > I've also heard (but don't have) "Be My Baby" and "Just One Look" "Just One Look"!! When was this, Ted, and who sang it? From talger at PIPELINE.COM Fri Jun 5 20:12:30 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 20:12:30 -0400 Subject: BOC: Covers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Ted wrote: > >> I've also heard (but don't have) "Be My Baby" and "Just One Look" > >"Just One Look"!! When was this, Ted, and who sang it? well, it's been a while, but I think Eric sang them both, with every one else singing the high (girl) backing vox.... but I don't really remember... it was either a rehearsal or demo or soundcheck or something... someone I know had a tape and played it for me once. I want to say that it was either "Agents" or "Spectres" era stuff ObTape: Savatage stuff that some lunatic sent me ;-) Ted From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Jun 6 04:06:37 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 09:06:37 +0100 Subject: OFF: Snuff In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980605184432.009aea40@mailhost.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <3.0.5.32.19980605184432.009aea40 at mailhost.ed.harlequin.co.uk >, Dave Berry writes >Which reminds me of my favourite album title of all time: > >Snuffsaidcorblimeyguvstonemeifhedidntthrowawobblerchachachachachachachachach >achachayouregoinghomeinacosmicambience. > >Dave Which is precisely where I nicked the gag from. The follow-up "Flibberdedibberdedob" was nearly as good. I esp. like they're version of "Reach Out" -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Jun 6 04:03:00 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 09:03:00 +0100 Subject: BOC:Astoria In-Reply-To: <1875994.3106060839@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <1875994.3106060839 at cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk>, Carl Edlund Anderson writes > Surely not "Bollocks and Transmission"? Could be! What album's that off? ;-) I was singing it all the way home. In fact, I was singing it for a bit in the "Soho Brasserie" (30 for a fishcake - BOLL-OCKS!) until asked not to. -- Jon From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Jun 6 12:45:15 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 09:45:15 -0700 Subject: BOC: Covers Message-ID: If it's the same one I know, it was by Larry Williams, the originator of the classic, "Bony Moronie" - 1957ish. Also recorded by Zebra. Zeit John A Swartz wrote: > > >BTW, John, whose song is "Slow Down"? > > Don't know who did it originally, but the Beatles recorded a version (I'm > pretty sure, but not positive, that it's not a Beatles original). > > John -- ====================================================== One is currently shaking ones booty to; KING SWAMP - Wiseblood CURTIS MAYFIELD - A Man Like Curtis ====================================================== E-zine: http://zeitgeist-scot.com/ Personal e-mail: zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com Record Hunter: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/hunter.html RH e-mail: record.hunter at dial.pipex.com ====================================================== From mumford at ONLINE.NO Sat Jun 6 07:21:20 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 13:21:20 +0200 Subject: OFF: Snuff Message-ID: > In article <3.0.5.32.19980605184432.009aea40 at mailhost.ed.harlequin.co.uk > >, Dave Berry writes > >Which reminds me of my favourite album title of all time: > > > >Snuffsaidcorblimeyguvstonemeifhedidntthrowawobblerchachachachachachachachac h > >achachayouregoinghomeinacosmicambience. > > > >Dave > > Which is precisely where I nicked the gag from. > > The follow-up "Flibberdedibberdedob" was nearly as good. I esp. like > they're version of "Reach Out" > -- > Jon > I have this! Used to spin this constantly - extremely infectous! I'm gonna dig it out... Chr. ObPurchase: Monster Magnet _Powertrip_ (NP) and _Space Lord_ single - woohoo! "The future's so bright, I've got to wear a fucking welder's mask." - Fish From mumford at ONLINE.NO Sat Jun 6 08:12:47 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 14:12:47 +0200 Subject: HW: Private gig Message-ID: > > What I have now received are about 1200 US$ !!!! > > I am sure that this is not enough. > > I'm sure it isn't! However I assume we only want *offers* of financial > support at this stage - not absolute commitment? I'm sure folk don't > want to be too definite just yet - in case nothing happens! Well, there are lots of HW fans probably not on this list in newsgroups like rec.music.progressive or alt.music.spacerock who would be interested in this too. Some postings there (and any other applicable newsgroups) calling for attention/contributions is a good idea (not SPAMMING for it tho!). If we could use a single email address for all things regarding the idea it would be easier. Also I was thinking: there is no Hawkwind webring.... (?) BOC has one, Moorcock has one ;-) Either way if everyone with a HW related site could announce this idea on their site with the contact address for the project I think it would catch the attention(span) of people who only use the net for the www :) Chr. Ob!!: Hari Om Sundown! (I thought you were joking Jon) > > > What we have to do now is the following: > > > > - ask Dave when the band has the time (my part) > > - ask Dave how much money he really needs (my part) > > - find a venue and occasion where the band could play (your part) > > - stay in touch with the band (Paul Wards and Guy Thomas part) > > - collecting the money when all problems are fixed (Mike Holmes part ??) > > > > > > What else do we have to do???? > > One thing at I time I suggest. We've got the interest and some of the > commitment so we really need to wait a bit to find out exactly what > Dave B expects from his venues, as well as his tech requirements and his > finances. Once this is established we can see what's available and > whether the two aspects agree with each other. If not - I guess we > think again! > > jill > > ========================================================================== > J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "The future's so bright, I've got to wear a fucking welder's mask." - Fish From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Jun 6 10:32:00 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 14:32:00 +0000 Subject: OFF: Snuff Message-ID: On l?r 6 jun 1998 13.21 +0200 Christian000Mumford wrote: > ObPurchase: Monster Magnet _Powertrip_ (NP) and _Space Lord_ single - > woohoo! Anything interesting on the single that's not on the album? -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Jun 6 18:23:55 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 15:23:55 -0700 Subject: Tape Swap / Beer Powered Noise Frenzy Message-ID: Well I got my CD(!) from The Gumby Man and I'm certainly enjoying the rich diversity. From Prince (hurrah!) to Johnny Cash to Danzig to Gary Numan plus a lively Latin American section. I haven't looked at the tracklisting yet, but it'll be posted on my web page, along with details of the tape I sent to Brian Halligan tomorrow. I'll post the page address then. Spookily enough I'm working in London on September 11. At least I've got plenty time to start thinking up excuses for not being in the Pigeons! Just kidding. I'll try and make it. Zeit rich-l wrote: > > > > > > What are folks comments on the tapes they got through the tape swap? > > > Christian sent me his - I think he liked it, but I'm not sure. Maybe > > > the Lawnmower Deth got to his head! > And now...the moment you've all been waiting for... > > My new band, BEER POWERED NOISE FRENZY play the Pigeons, Romford Road, > Stratford, London E15 on September the 11th. (No excuses for not being > there, you've had plenty time to cancel anything else that day...) >> > It's two quid on the door, proceeds to Cancer Research. And the singer > gets married the day after... > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > ** "Snuffle, grunt" ** -- ====================================================== One is currently shaking ones booty to; KING SWAMP - Wiseblood CURTIS MAYFIELD - A Man Like Curtis ====================================================== E-zine: http://zeitgeist-scot.com/ Personal e-mail: zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com Record Hunter: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/hunter.html RH e-mail: record.hunter at dial.pipex.com ====================================================== From martinp at INFORAMP.NET Sat Jun 6 10:40:07 1998 From: martinp at INFORAMP.NET (MartinPopoff) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 10:40:07 -0400 Subject: Hi John, I gotta get off the list for a bit . . . Message-ID: Yo John, Hey, lurker Martin here. Listen bud, I gotta sign off of the list for awhile. Work's heating up, and I'm involved in way too much music stuff. Just haven't learned to say no (see below). Also started to feed stuff to Lollipop. As discussed with Bolle, I still have 95% of a book on BOC finished, just languishing in my computer. Going to talk to a British publisher about it, but might just print up a bunch myself. Anyway, for now, could you pull me off the list, or at least tell me who to contact? I just can't keep up with the volume of messages. Much as I like keeping on the pulse, my head's going to explode. Thanks, Martin BTW: here's my short BOC piece from Brave Words. Chuck it on the group if you like: Blue Oyster Cult?s Amazing Reappearance Act! by Martin Popoff Sinister metal-lite legends Blue Oyster Cult have re-tooled and re-arrived, delivering Heaven Forbid, their first album of new material in ten long years, after spending the ?90s touring like grizzled, miserable, road-damaged warriors. Along the mottled path were compilations (main one being two-CDer Workshop Of The Telescopes), covers of their own material (Cult Classic), and the occasional chaotically-birthed studio tune. But now the 3OC core of Donald ?Buck Dharma? Roeser, Eric Bloom and Allen Lanier, along with sharp-shooting rhythm section Danny Miranda and Chuck Burgi have placed ten typically enigmatic and intelligent classic rock tracks into the alternative-dulled psyche of the world, inviting us to enter the band?s highly crafted realm. ?Yeah, ten years in the making,? Buck sighs, calling from ?a payphone in front of a supermarket in the Gulfport, Mississippi,? where the band happens to be passing through, continuing a relentless touring schedule that just never quits. And despite his hilarious, cynical, been-there-bought-the-t-shirt disposition, Buck is thoroughly thrilled to have Heaven Forbid finally released, a record which he self-produced with sterling high-end clarity. ?My criteria as producer was to not accept anything that was less than perfect (laughs). I mean, I like every note I played on the record, put it that way. Most of it was recorded in the last year and a half, with three cuts recorded in 1993, ?Power Underneath Despair?, ?Still Burnin?? and ?Harvest Moon?. Production-wise, we were pretty much going for a straight-ahead, really clean, punchy tone. The overblown production that was popular in the ?80s is pretty much over. I felt no reason to replicate that.? Heaven Forbid contains the band?s usual mix of metal (?See You In Black? roars!) and pop (classic Buck saga ?Harvest Moon? and the elegant ?Live For Me?), with a heaping dose of the experimental. But one constant is the proliferation of truly inspired guitar work, Buck?s quiet flash serving as a hallmark of what is both expertly agile and subdued at once. ?I continue to work really hard at progressing as a guitarist. In terms of solos, I like the ones on X-Ray Eyes and Hammer Back a lot. I really wanted to try a lot of different things and have a lot of guitar playing on the album, because people kept coming up to me and telling me, ?you know, Buck, we gotta hear you!?? So yes, lots of Buck, which is very cool indeed, with Eric a close second in the projection department, really achieving presence on such tracks as ?Hammer Back? (?a tale of modern paranoia?) and ?Cold Grey Light Of Dawn? (?a cosmic morality play?). But man, it must be trying, having talk of a new record on the horizon going back easily six years. Did it ever seem like you would just call it a day? ?Not to the point where I wanted to open up a video store or anything,? Buck offers with a laugh." I mean, I consider myself fortunate to make a living playing and singing, so I wouldn?t quit doing that. But like I say, I?m not really too invested in terms of where this goes, in terms of new fame or anything. I?d like to get more respect because I think I deserve it. And I think the band does too. Other than that, I?m quite happy that I can do it now. I?m not poor, so it?s like OK." ?I don?t see us working any less. We really think we have something that?s worth hearing here, so we want to popularize it as much as we can. I don?t think any of us really expect to do what we did in the early ?80s. That was then. And I don?t really view that as a favourable outcome. I?d hate to do what I did then, as far as like how hard it was, how strenuous it was. The biggest obstacle is convincing people that you?re worth listening to, you know? Just because there?s that prejudice with old bands. I think if you listen to this record, you?ll agree that it?s worth a chance.? See Blue Oyster Cult ?on tour forever? at a club near you. It?s a brush with history you won?t soon forget, and the band is as formidable a live machine as ever. ?I?ve been working very hard on vocals for the last several years,? Buck offers, ?and it?s bearing fruit. I wish I would have done it like 20 years ago. Yeah, I?m singing like a bird these days (laughs).? Martin Popoff, (Power Chord Press: Riff Kills Man!, The Collector's Guide To Heavy Metal, HardRadio, Guitar World, Maximum Guitar, LiveWire, Brave Words & Bloody Knuckles, BraveWordsRadio on Virtually Canadian Online, Chart, Glass Eye). Stuff on The Collector's Guide To Heavy Metal, my 540 page book of 3,700 metal reviews is at: http://www.virtuallycanadian.com/Shows/Bravewords/book.html Or, email me and I'll send detailed description and ordering info. http://gemm.com/s.cgi/MPOPOFF for a list of collectible vinyl I have for sale. What The Hard Rock World Is Coming To: http://www.hardradio.com The World's Largest Online Music Station Check out BraveRadio and BraveWordRadio at: http://www.virtuallycanadian.com. Martin Popoff P.O. Box 65208, 358 Danforth Ave. Toronto, Ontario M4K 2Z2 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Jun 6 11:58:00 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 15:58:00 +0000 Subject: BOC:Astoria Message-ID: On l?r 6 jun 1998 09.03 +0100 "Jon Browne" wrote: >Carl Edlund Anderson writes > >> Surely not "Bollocks and Transmission"? > > Could be! What album's that off? ;-) _Decent Cheaties_, I think ... ;) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From fn62 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Jun 6 12:23:59 1998 From: fn62 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Alison Hopkins) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 17:23:59 +0100 Subject: HW: Private gig Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Christian000Mumford To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: 06 June 1998 13:20 Subject: Re: HW: Private gig >> > What I have now received are about 1200 US$ !!!! >> > I am sure that this is not enough. >> >> I'm sure it isn't! However I assume we only want *offers* of financial >> support at this stage - not absolute commitment? I'm sure folk don't >> want to be too definite just yet - in case nothing happens! > Hi chaps......... I've literally joined this list in the last day or so, as a result of a posting to a UK SF newsgroup concerning a possible HW gig at a con. Basically, I can provide a con, if things look right...........! Are we talking about the same idea, here, she said, jumping in half way through a conversation? Ali From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Jun 6 13:47:14 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 18:47:14 +0100 Subject: HW: Private gig In-Reply-To: <199806061219.OAA23937@online.no> Message-ID: In article <199806061219.OAA23937 at online.no>, Christian000Mumford writes >Chr. > >Ob!!: Hari Om Sundown! (I thought you were joking Jon) I don't even own a sense of humour. You should know that by now. I haven't even heard it myself, is it any good then? I don't dislike Kula Shaker, I just don't particularly care for them either, even if they do nod at all my favorite bands. -- Jon From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sat Jun 6 19:29:15 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 00:29:15 +0100 Subject: HW: Private gig In-Reply-To: Alison Hopkins's message of Sat, 6 Jun 1998 17:23:59 +0100 Message-ID: Hi Alison Welcome to the list! Alison Hopkins writes: > Hi chaps......... I've literally joined this list in the last day or so, as > a result of a posting to a UK SF newsgroup concerning a possible HW gig at > a con. Basically, I can provide a con, if things look right...........! Are > we talking about the same idea, here, she said, jumping in half way through > a conversation? Yes - it's the same conversation. I guess you'll have heard from Bernhard by now - he's co-ordinating everything (thanks Bernhard!). We're still at the planning stage and you are the second person to offer so far - Just out of curiousity do you and Chris Croughton know each other? Let us know if there's any general info you need - there's plenty of folk here willing to help. cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK Sun Jun 7 04:28:23 1998 From: eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK (eldritch) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 01:28:23 -0700 Subject: HW: David Hardy! Message-ID: Someone mentioned David Hardy.. I love that back cover of Hall of the Mountain Grill, I had it made into a t-shirt, and wore it to death :-) David Hardy has is own site at: David A Hardy's Astro Art Pages Rich -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Jun 7 12:05:00 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 09:05:00 -0700 Subject: Tape Swap Message-ID: OK, I've put my tape and The Gumby Mans on the following page. http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/BOC-L.HTM ====================================================== One is currently shaking ones booty to; ZZ TOP - Antenna WAYLANDER - Reawakening Pride Once Lost ====================================================== E-zine: http://zeitgeist-scot.com/ Personal e-mail: zeitgeist at zeitgeist-scot.com Record Hunter: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/hunter.html RH e-mail: record.hunter at dial.pipex.com ====================================================== From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Jun 7 05:07:30 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 10:07:30 +0100 Subject: Tape Swap In-Reply-To: <357ABA2C.172@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: And so "Thirteen" by Johnny Cash is the first track to appear on more than one tape... - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From fn62 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Jun 7 06:04:52 1998 From: fn62 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Alison Hopkins) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 11:04:52 +0100 Subject: HW: Private gig Message-ID: >Hi Alison > >Welcome to the list! Thank you! > >Yes - it's the same conversation. I guess you'll have heard from >Bernhard by now - he's co-ordinating everything (thanks Bernhard!). >We're still at the planning stage and you are the second person to >offer so far - Yep, Bernhard and I have exchanged a couple of mails on the subject........... I offered him our credentials, so to speak! :) > >Just out of curiousity do you and Chris Croughton know each other? Sort of vaguely, in other words off the newsgroups. Seems like a Decent Chap . We may well have met at cons, but the trouble with being in fandom for a long time, is that the faces begin to blur! > >Let us know if there's any general info you need - there's plenty >of folk here willing to help. > >cheers >jill Cool............ thanks, Jill. Ali PS: Am I allowed to post a brief plug for the con? From mumford at ONLINE.NO Sun Jun 7 08:32:45 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:32:45 +0200 Subject: OFF: Snuff Message-ID: > On l?r 6 jun 1998 13.21 +0200 Christian000Mumford wrote: > > ObPurchase: Monster Magnet _Powertrip_ (NP) and _Space Lord_ single - > > woohoo! > > Anything interesting on the single that's not on the album? Yeah! Actually their cover of MC5's Kick Out The Jams (from whom they stole the album name) and their track Big God (reminds me of the feel of Spine of God and early mini-albums and single B sides like Elephant Bell - i.e. more of the sinister and psychedelic). Definetly get this single as it makes up for a weak track or two on Powertrip :) Also, the Kula Shaker version of Hurry On Sundown - I actually like the track Sound of Drums better cause its got a really spacey synth outro (and honestly isn't a bad song :)! (I thought the HW track too trad sounding...) Chr. > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic > St. John's College, University of Cambridge > mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk > http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ > "If I'm free, it's because I'm always running" - Jimi Hendrix From crough45 at AMC.DE Mon Jun 8 02:04:51 1998 From: crough45 at AMC.DE (Chris Croughton) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:04:51 +0000 Subject: HW: Private gig In-Reply-To: from "Bernhard Pospiech" at Jun 5, 98 04:35:19 pm Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > I am (with Mike Holmes) the creator of the idea to let do HAWKWIND a > private gig for the fans. So It's All Your Fault(tm) . > I asked the fans to write to me a mail and let me know if they could help > to organize such a gig and let me know how much money they would pay to see > such a gig happen. > > What I have now received are about 1200 US$ !!!! > I am sure that this is not enough. I have no idea. However, what are you talking about for the money? Is this 'seed' money and you expect to make up the rest from ticket (and/or con membership) sales? Or is this 'ticket' prices you're looking at? I don't know how you're working this (except that you obviously don't want to be out-of-pocket by $10K or something at the end). How much will the band charge to come over? How many other people will they need to bring (like their own tech guys or whatever)? > I am the one who is trying to coordinate all the things (collecting money, > stay in touch with the band and looking for guy who are able to get such an > event running. And you volunteered for this? Mad, totally - but people who volunteer to run SF conventions are equally mad. Me, I just volunteer to do safe things like run tech for a rock band ... > What we have to do now is the following: > > - ask Dave when the band has the time (my part) > - ask Dave how much money he really needs (my part) > - find a venue and occasion where the band could play (your part) > - stay in touch with the band (Paul Wards and Guy Thomas part) > - collecting the money when all problems are fixed (Mike Holmes part ??) > > What else do we have to do???? Pray. Panic. The usual. Advertise it when it's more definite, and get solid (or at least fairly solid) ideas of numbers attending and costs. Either massive over-attendance or under-attendance can be a problem - getting 75% or 150% of the expected number is probably manageable, but outside that there will be problems. All the best. Chris C From crough45 at AMC.DE Mon Jun 8 02:12:13 1998 From: crough45 at AMC.DE (Chris Croughton) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:12:13 +0000 Subject: HW: Private gig In-Reply-To: <199806051638.RAA21953@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> from "J Strobridge" at Jun 5, 98 04:38:30 pm Message-ID: J Strobridge wrote: > Don't worry - not even those who know Hawkwind well know who's in band > sometimes! When last heard it was Dave Brock, Richard Chadwick (drums) > Ron Tree, Jerry Richards - Right, I won't worry about being a Real Fan(tm) then ... > Where are you planning to hold your con? We've no venue planned but I > guess we should look for something close by - or maybe could take over a > chunk of your venue if there are conference facilities available or a > big enough room? I guess a nearby hall would probably do and we could > get our own licence if there isn't already one? I don't have a con; my idea was to hold one specially, possibly with a theme of "music in SF". I don't know of any existing cons which would be suitable this close (yes, 1999 is generally 'close', people running cons then will generally be already budgetted and have their venue booked), but Ali suggested that she does have one. You really don't want to try to get a licence for a gig in a hall without a music licence. That way lies madness. Far easier to find a hall with a music licence (and they might already have tech gear, which may or may not help). > Someone on this list offered tech support as well, a while back. Would > you and he be willing to talk and arrange something? Well, I'm willing, I don't know about him . Yes, I can work as tech crew under him if he has more experience, or under HW's techie if they have one. I'm not interested in ego, if someone else has more experience than me and wants to boss tech then that's fine by me. > Welcome on board! Thanks. (BTW, in spite of the German eddress I am British, I'm working in Germany. Just in case anyone was wondering...) Chris C From crough45 at AMC.DE Mon Jun 8 02:14:18 1998 From: crough45 at AMC.DE (Chris Croughton) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:14:18 +0000 Subject: HW: Private gig In-Reply-To: <01bd91fb$b6cdc780$LocalHost@default> from "Alison Hopkins" at Jun 7, 98 10:04:52 am Message-ID: Alison Hopkins wrote: > Sort of vaguely, in other words off the newsgroups. Seems like a Decent Chap Thanks ... > . We may well have met at cons, but the trouble with being in fandom for > a long time, is that the faces begin to blur! As far as I know we haven't met, but I'm hopeless at faces anyway. > PS: Am I allowed to post a brief plug for the con? Well, I'd like to know what it is, anyway... Chris C From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 8 04:17:39 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:17:39 +0100 Subject: HW: Private gig In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Bernhard Pospiech writes > And Dave said >that he is really interested to do such a gig, and it would be best if they >could play during a (maybe) Science Fiction convention. Am I being really stupid here, or is HW playing at a Sci-Fi convention, and all the talk about ticket prices, advertising etc not even remotely a *private* gig? What is the principle here exactly? Are you looking to stage an intimate session for list-memebers and affiliates or is it a show that anyone can turn up to, buying a ticket on the door etc. as per usual. Could someone clarify the difference to me? -- Jon From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Mon Jun 8 04:18:27 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:18:27 +0100 Subject: HLL show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bit disappointing this gig - Huw had a S. American percussionist playing with him who wasn't very good. And the whole thing was spoilt by one of said percussionist's friends pissing around the whole time. Pity, 'cause Huw was playing well (most of the time, although he did have some lyric memory problems on a couple of songs) and the support was excellent. Kevin Perry Technical Manager Wide Multimedia http://www.wide.co.uk/ > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On Behalf Of M S Wright > Sent: 02 June 1998 12:02 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: HLL show > > Seen in the Guardians guide: > > Friday 5th > Huw Lloyd Langton and Deep. Former Hawkwind member. 12 Bar > Club, Denmark > Place, WC2 (0171 916 6989) 8:30 pm 5 pounds. > > Is any one going? > From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 8 04:19:34 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:19:34 +0100 Subject: OFF: Snuff In-Reply-To: <199806071245.OAA23317@online.no> Message-ID: In article <199806071245.OAA23317 at online.no>, Christian000Mumford writes >Also, the Kula Shaker version of Hurry On Sundown - I actually like the >track Sound of Drums better cause its got a really spacey synth outro (and >honestly isn't a bad song :)! (I thought the HW track too trad sounding...) > >Chr. crumbs! Chris is a KS Konvert! -- Jon From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Jun 8 05:35:43 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (David Hardman) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:35:43 +0100 Subject: BOC: Covers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Jun 1998, Ted wrote: > >> I've also heard (but don't have) "Be My Baby" and "Just One Look" > > > >"Just One Look"!! When was this, Ted, and who sang it? > > well, it's been a while, but I think Eric sang them both, with every one > else singing the high (girl) backing vox.... but I don't really remember... > it was either a rehearsal or demo or soundcheck or something... someone > I know had a tape and played it for me once. I want to say that it > was either "Agents" or "Spectres" era stuff According to Bolle, Be My Baby was - as you say - a number they did at soundchecks/rehearsals, and there is a recorded version. He also told me they only ever played it once on stage and, unfortunately, it was a disaster because there was a problem with the band's monitors and consequently Eric couldn't hear himself singing - leading to a serious out-of-tune situation! Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman HCI Design Centre School of Informatics City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Mon Jun 8 06:07:11 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:07:11 +0100 Subject: BOC: covers Message-ID: Ted wrote: > theo said > > From: Nick English > >> > >> This brings up a question I'd like to ask all the 'elder statesmen' > > >> of this list. I didn't see my first BOC concert till about '92. > I've > >> seen them maybe six times now, but I've never seen them do a single > > >> cover tune. Over the years, and aside from the ones already on > >> tape/record/CD, what covers have people seen BOC do? > >> > > > >I'll steal John's thunder here: it's in the FAQ! > > > >I'm having trouble remembering any others, but I know they did a > >couple Beatles tunes. Of Course Joe quoted bits from many famous > >songs during his solos. Because the current setlist is usually > >pretty much set from tour to tour, I doubt they do covers anymore... > > > > personally, I've only heard the regulars (Born To Be Wild and > Roadhouse Blues) unless you count all the Beatles and other old > covers that Buck did with and without Danny at the Atlanta show > and the BBQ.... > > however, I do know some people that saw them do "Satisfaction" last > year (?) in Seattle or somewhere in WA state when the Stones were in > town. > > Ted Well, Masarati GT (I ain't got you) is a cover. If that helps. Cheers, Rich. ** Number one in Britain and successful in the States ** From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Mon Jun 8 06:16:47 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:16:47 +0100 Subject: Tape Swap Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: > And so "Thirteen" by Johnny Cash is the first track to appear on more > than > one tape... > > - Andy > > mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; > http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham But the mighty Rose Tattoo have cropped up at least twice now... Cheers, Rich. ** "I used to be somebody!" ** ** "Was it anybody bearable, man?" ** From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jun 8 08:05:03 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:05:03 +0000 Subject: HW: Private gig Message-ID: On m?n 8 jun 1998 09.17 +0100 "Jon Browne" wrote: > Am I being really stupid here, or is HW playing at a Sci-Fi convention, > and all the talk about ticket prices, advertising etc not even remotely > a *private* gig? What is the principle here exactly? Are you looking to > stage an intimate session for list-memebers and affiliates or is it a > show that anyone can turn up to, buying a ticket on the door etc. as per > usual. > Could someone clarify the difference to me? I, too, would like some clarification on this. A private gig is one thing, but--while I think a "music in SF" con headed by HW would be a cool thing--well, that's basically a regular gig in an unusual venue. I'm not sure whether the list would be as keen to finance that, no more than they would be to finance other regular gigs. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG Sun Jun 7 16:46:33 1998 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG (Olivier Boigey) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 22:46:33 +0200 Subject: HW:private gig: announcements Message-ID: Why not use the fanzines direcly related to hawkwind or prog music, to launch the subscription, to reach fans who don't have internet access ? As I participate many times in the french Hawkzone magazine (4 edtions a year) , we decided to put an insert, concerning the eventual 'hawk confidential gig' in the next edition (this month). Well, I need the post mail address of the incombent, especially yours Bernhard, if you want to receive help & money. BTW, my personal HW web page ca be summed up to any ring, or collection of pages ! Olivier Boigey 6 rue Pasquier - 92300 Levallois Perret - FRANCE TEL/FAX: 33 1 41 05 08 50 e-mail: olivier_boigey at technolink.org http://www.altern.org/obwaje/hmpg.htm The stars are matter, WeUre matter, But it doesnUt matter Don Van Vliet - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From Allan.T.Grohe.Jr at MAIL.SPRINT.COM Mon Jun 8 08:47:24 1998 From: Allan.T.Grohe.Jr at MAIL.SPRINT.COM (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 07:47:24 -0500 Subject: Strange Daze '98 Poster Message-ID: Does anyone know if there is any chance that Porcupine Tree will be appearing at Strange Days? Allan. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Allan T. Grohe Jr. Technical Analyst, EIS Helpdesk 816 501 6393 http://lddhelpdesk For ticket status check http://kchqsp01/tickstat.htm -----Original Message----- From: sonique [SMTP:sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU] Sent: Friday, June 05, 1998 3:48 PM To: BOC-L Cc: sonique Subject: HW: Strange Daze '98 Poster Gidday Jim Lasko just sent me the latest poster for SD'98 with the latest details on bands attending: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/hawkwind/sd'98.jpg Soniqu? From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Mon Jun 8 09:05:04 1998 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:05:04 +0200 Subject: HW: Private gig information Message-ID: Hello folks Some fans are asking why we are now trying to do a HAWKWIND gig during a SF-Con. The answer is very easy: Dave Brock doesn't want to do a very private gig in a dark cellar or undder a huge tree just for the fans. He seems to be interested to do a gig during a SF-Con. This is the reason why we are in touch with 2 persons who are organizing such kind of Cons. We have to sort out the datails (date, venue, money, PA, lights.....). Maybe we have the luck and do not have to pay money to the band. But we don't know! But if we could pay for the expenses of the band I am very sure that our dream will come true and we will see our favorite band playing a very special gig during a very special event And I am sure that lots of LISTMEMBERS will be there Please be patient. We are still worikng in the background and try the best we can We keep you informed cheers Bernhard From richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK Mon Jun 8 09:12:00 1998 From: richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK (Cutting, Richard) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:12:00 +0100 Subject: HW Private gig information === Message-ID: I agree. Personally I don't care where the gig is and under what circumstances, I just want to see Hawkwind play ! We get so few gigs these days that anything would be a bonus. I wonder if it would be possible for list-members to submit the songs that they would like to hear played, maybe some stuff from the back catalogue that doesn't get much of an airing anymore. They seem to have played most of the favourites when I have seen them, but I would prefer to see a more rocky set ( along the lines of 'This is Hawkwind Do Not Panic' ) rather than the rather synth orientated sets that they've been playing lately. maybe we could get Dave to drop the synth twiddling and play the guitar for a change !!! Richard. > ---------- > From: Pospiech, Bernhard[SMTP:Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: 08 June 1998 14:05 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: HW: Private gig information > > Hello folks > > > Some fans are asking why we are now trying to do a HAWKWIND gig during > a > SF-Con. > > The answer is very easy: Dave Brock doesn't want to do a very private > gig in > a dark cellar or undder a huge tree just for the fans. He seems to be > interested to do a gig during a SF-Con. > > This is the reason why we are in touch with 2 persons who are > organizing > such kind of Cons. > We have to sort out the datails (date, venue, money, PA, lights.....). > > Maybe we have the luck and do not have to pay money to the band. But > we > don't know! > But if we could pay for the expenses of the band I am very sure that > our > dream will come true and we will see our favorite band playing a very > special gig during a very special event > > And I am sure that lots of LISTMEMBERS will be there > > > Please be patient. We are still worikng in the background and try the > best > we can > > > We keep you informed > > > cheers > Bernhard > *********************************************************************** LEGAL DISCLAIMER *********************************************************************** The contents of this email and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Synopsys hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this email and any attached transmitted files. 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Grohe Jr. Technical Analyst, EIS Helpdesk 816 501 6393 http://lddhelpdesk For ticket status check http://kchqsp01/tickstat.htm -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard.Pospiech [SMTP:Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM] Sent: Monday, June 08, 1998 8:05 AM To: BOC-L Cc: Bernhard.Pospiech Subject: HW: Private gig information Hello folks Some fans are asking why we are now trying to do a HAWKWIND gig during a SF-Con. The answer is very easy: Dave Brock doesn't want to do a very private gig in a dark cellar or undder a huge tree just for the fans. He seems to be interested to do a gig during a SF-Con. This is the reason why we are in touch with 2 persons who are organizing such kind of Cons. We have to sort out the datails (date, venue, money, PA, lights.....). Maybe we have the luck and do not have to pay money to the band. But we don't know! But if we could pay for the expenses of the band I am very sure that our dream will come true and we will see our favorite band playing a very special gig during a very special event And I am sure that lots of LISTMEMBERS will be there Please be patient. We are still worikng in the background and try the best we can We keep you informed cheers Bernhard From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Jun 8 09:18:40 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 08:18:40 -0500 Subject: BOC: Covers Message-ID: For shame FAQMAN, what about Wings of Mercury? >ObTape: Savatage stuff that some lunatic sent me ;-) >Ted Ah just shoot that whacko Ted. "This world ain't about trust, its about Dominance and Submission, its about power..." "Skull session eh wahhh waaaaaaaaaaaa." hehehehehehe Ghost in the Ruins "In the night I heard a whisper asking me to understand in the dessert look for water on the ocean look for land." OBCD - Rock & Roll Machine (US Release) - Triumph From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 8 09:55:02 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:55:02 +0100 Subject: HW: Private gig In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Fri, 5 Jun 1998 18:35:19 +0200 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > What we have to do now is the following: > > - ask Dave when the band has the time (my part) > - ask Dave how much money he really needs (my part) > - find a venue and occasion where the band could play (your part) > - stay in touch with the band (Paul Wards and Guy Thomas part) > - collecting the money when all problems are fixed (Mike Holmes part ??) > What else do we have to do???? We have to get Hawkwind nailed down on this so that they can't pull out due to some management screwup on their side of things. That's happened too often in recent years for me to feel easy about just making this a gentleman's agreement. Of course they would be cutting of the hand that feeds them in this case. Also, once we have the band nailed down we ought to broach the issue of inviting ex-hawks. We'd have to ensure that there wasn't any potential acrimony there. > cheers > Bernhard FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 8 10:04:48 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:04:48 +0100 Subject: HW: Private gig In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:17:39 +0100 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > Am I being really stupid here, or is HW playing at a Sci-Fi convention, > and all the talk about ticket prices, advertising etc not even remotely > a *private* gig? What is the principle here exactly? Are you looking to > stage an intimate session for list-memebers and affiliates or is it a > show that anyone can turn up to, buying a ticket on the door etc. as per > usual. I'd expect that only Con members would be able to attend, though most SF cons do sell a one day membership (rather than the usual weekend membership). We probably will need to sort out money issues with the Con folks. For example if we pay for the band to play, would we then be expected to pay for Con membership for the day? For the weekend? If we couldn't pay the price for the band would it be reasonable to take a small door fee from Con members attending? The first stage is to find out what money the band need.Whether they'd play without an open door sales policy (as opposed to say day memberships which allowed folks to visit the Con and see the gig). Then we ned to discuss this with the Con folks to see what they reckon would be reasonable. Comments? > Jon FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 8 10:08:08 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:08:08 +0100 Subject: HW Private gig information === In-Reply-To: Cutting, Richard's message of Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:12:00 +0100 Message-ID: Cutting, Richard writes: > I agree. Personally I don't care where the gig is and under what > circumstances, I just want to see Hawkwind play ! We get so few gigs > these days that anything would be a bonus. > > I wonder if it would be possible for list-members to submit the songs > that they would like to hear played, maybe some stuff from the back > catalogue that doesn't get much of an airing anymore. They seem to have > played most of the favourites when I have seen them, but I would prefer > to see a more rocky set ( along the lines of 'This is Hawkwind Do Not > Panic' ) rather than the rather synth orientated sets that they've been > playing lately. maybe we could get Dave to drop the synth twiddling and > play the guitar for a change !!! I think that if it's an SF Con, there ought to be some concentration on SF themes because this would make the band more accessible to the folks there who were only *potential* Hawkwind fans. That's in the Con's interest, that's in the band's interest, and if it builds the fan base, it's in our interest. ObWideboy: We could run a table at a Hawkwind stall and take 10p pledges towards particular songs and display a running league table. Good way to raise cash and add to the fun. > Richard. FoFP From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Mon Jun 8 08:13:07 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:13:07 +0000 Subject: HW: Private gig In-Reply-To: <250198.3106296303@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: Carl wrote: > I, too, would like some clarification on this. A private gig is >one thing, but--while I think a "music in SF" con headed by HW would >be a cool thing--well, that's basically a regular gig in an unusual >venue. I'm not sure whether the list would be as keen to finance that, >no more than they would be to finance other regular gigs. I must adit, I tend to agree. If it is going to a private gig, it should be PRIVATE! Guy Thomas From talger at PIPELINE.COM Mon Jun 8 11:27:27 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:27:27 -0400 Subject: BOC: Covers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: AB sed >>ObTape: Savatage stuff that some lunatic sent me ;-) > >>Ted > >Ah just shoot that whacko Ted. > we'll see if it warrants such a harsh punishment ;-) your disc will go in the mail today..... Ted From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 8 11:38:40 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:38:40 +0100 Subject: HW: Private gig information In-Reply-To: <6496936D88FFD011B1D800A024CB5C5F196239@VEG12_EXCH> Message-ID: In article <6496936D88FFD011B1D800A024CB5C5F196239 at VEG12_EXCH>, Pospiech, Bernhard writes >The answer is very easy: Dave Brock doesn't want to do a very private gig in >a dark cellar or undder a huge tree just for the fans. He seems to be >interested to do a gig during a SF-Con. Well, I thought the original idea of a castle was better. I also think the castle is a better idea as some form of camp-out/all nighter was what people had in mind, no? I'm not going to mouth off as I'm just maxxed out at the moment and can't get as involved as I'd like, but it occurs to me that a gig at a con (with us underwriting it), wouldn't even be as good as us promoting an all-nighter at the Brixton Acadamy (with us underwriting it.) The Acadamy, in fact, would be a damn sight easier to book and promote. Not that I'm recommending that BTW. I still like the idea of a private gig in a castle. OK, Arundel's probably booked, but I'll bet there's similar alternates. A huge tree sounds better to me, than a hotel. A nice marquee in a field in summer, all legal and private sounds pretty close to perfect, to me. Maybe I'm weird or unrealistically nostagic. I thought this was Dave's sort of scene too, really. Some hotel full of indifferent SF fans sounds a bit, well..... If i'm just kicking the buckets over and walking off, tell me to shut up, please. This August is the 10th anniversary of Bob's passing. Trevor tells me the band want to mark that in some way, too.... -- Jon From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Mon Jun 8 13:15:45 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:15:45 +0000 Subject: HW: Private gig information In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jon writes: >Well, I thought the original idea of a castle was better. >I also think the castle is a better idea as some form of camp-out/all >nighter was what people had in mind, no? > I still like the idea of a private >gig in a castle. OK, Arundel's probably booked, but I'll bet there's >similar alternates. A huge tree sounds better to me, than a hotel. > >A nice marquee in a field in summer, all legal and private sounds pretty >close to perfect, to me. Maybe I'm weird or unrealistically nostagic. >I thought this was Dave's sort of scene too, really. > >Some hotel full of indifferent SF fans sounds a bit, well..... > >If i'm just kicking the buckets over and walking off, tell me to shut >up, please. > >This August is the 10th anniversary of Bob's passing. Trevor tells me> >the band want to mark that in some way, too.... >-- >Jon John, NO you are NOT MOUTHING OFF at all - you are perfectly entitled to your opinion, - and I must admit, that I do rather feel the same way too. What is the gut feeling of everybody else - I mean I wouldn't like to sponsor a gig for the benefit of sci-fi enthusiasts, who may not have a genuine interest in seeing the band play - as the main reason for the event in the first place! Sorry, I don't want to seem negative either, but this is the way I feel too. Guy T. PS, How about a marquee in a field on Dave B's Farm? (or Nik's place in Wales?) - The band wouldn't have to travel much then would they! Mind you, Kris and Dave might not like the idea - it could be a bit intrusive, on their doorstep, so to speak! From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Mon Jun 8 12:32:01 1998 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:32:01 +0100 Subject: BOC: covers In-Reply-To: <357BB7C9.3B7C6230@geocities.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Jun 1998, Rich Lockwood wrote: > Well, Masarati GT (I ain't got you) is a cover. If that helps. The Animals and the Yardbirds both played this number under the title "I ain't got you", with slightly different words. There are probably other versions as well. Don't forget that "We gotta get out of this place" is also an Animals cover. I have certainly seen them perform "I feel free". I think I read somewhere that they had hoped to issue it on record, but had never been 100% satisfied with the live recordings. - Mike Godwin From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 8 12:03:28 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:03:28 +0100 Subject: HW Private gig information === In-Reply-To: <199806081408.PAA26769@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <199806081408.PAA26769 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, M Holmes writes >I think that if it's an SF Con, there ought to be some concentration on >SF themes because this would make the band more accessible to the folks >there who were only *potential* Hawkwind fans. Surely, Mike, this is then, a radically different proposal? I mean, could be done as well, sure, but wasn't what we had in mind more of a Hawk-family thing? -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 8 12:01:04 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:01:04 +0100 Subject: HW Private gig information === In-Reply-To: <9982B019DCFDD0118EF700A0C944C9AC6FF1B4@SYN1MX2> Message-ID: In article <9982B019DCFDD0118EF700A0C944C9AC6FF1B4 at SYN1MX2>, Cutting, Richard writes >I agree. Personally I don't care where the gig is and under what >circumstances, I just want to see Hawkwind play ! We get so few gigs >these days that anything would be a bonus. That's fair enough but, if it's pretty much a regular gig we're essentially acting as promotors for, well, cool, but it should approached as such. Booking the Acadamy or somewhere would be easier and less financially risky, we could get it all night and have a great time. It wouldn't be private, but maybe that wouldn't be a big problem under those circumstances, I dunno. > >I wonder if it would be possible for list-members to submit the songs >that they would like to hear played, maybe some stuff from the back >catalogue that doesn't get much of an airing anymore. They seem to have >played most of the favourites when I have seen them, but I would prefer >to see a more rocky set ( along the lines of 'This is Hawkwind Do Not >Panic' ) rather than the rather synth orientated sets that they've been >playing lately. maybe we could get Dave to drop the synth twiddling and >play the guitar for a change !!! Moon on a stick! Moon on a stick!! -- Jon From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 8 12:37:19 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:37:19 +0100 Subject: HW: Private gig information In-Reply-To: LN1GJT's message of Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:15:45 +0000 Message-ID: From: M Holmes Subject: Re: HW: Private gig information To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List In-Reply-To: LN1GJT's message of Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:15:45 +0000 Reply-To: M.Holmes at ed.ac.uk Cc: LN1GJT writes: > Jon writes: > >Well, I thought the original idea of a castle was better. I also > >think the castle is a better idea as some form of camp-out/all > >nighter was what people had in mind, no? > > I still like the idea of a private > >gig in a castle. OK, Arundel's probably booked, but I'll bet there's > >similar alternates. A huge tree sounds better to me, than a hotel. > >A nice marquee in a field in summer, all legal and private sounds > >pretty close to perfect, to me. Maybe I'm weird or unrealistically > >nostagic. I thought this was Dave's sort of scene too, really. > >Some hotel full of indifferent SF fans sounds a bit, well..... > >If i'm just kicking the buckets over and walking off, tell me to shut > >up, please. > >This August is the 10th anniversary of Bob's passing. Trevor tells > >me> the band want to mark that in some way, too.... -- Jon > John, NO you are NOT MOUTHING OFF at all - you are perfectly entitled > to your opinion, - and I must admit, that I do rather feel the same > way too. > What is the gut feeling of everybody else - I mean I wouldn't like to > sponsor a gig for the benefit of sci-fi enthusiasts, who may not have > a genuine interest in seeing the band play - as the main reason for > the event in the first place! > Sorry, I don't want to seem negative either, but this is the way I > feel too. Seeing Hawkwind play the Warrior set in a castle would be pretty close to perfect for me. However, most of the castles we could book for this sort of events are hotels also and would probably glance askew at us wanting to camp and run a rock gig. The hotels which are ruins would be prohibited to us as protected buildings though we might be able to get close to them in a nearby private field. Making something happen however is the art of the possible. Brock says he wants to do some fannish type event and presumably he has good memories of the Brighton Con. Whatever you might think, SF Cons are like very large room parties which last all weekend. Personally I like these events and I like the sort of people who attend them. They're also the sorts of people who could become Hawkwind fans and I think introducing them to a Hawkwind gig can only be good for all concerned. We can run a programme stream apart from the gigs specifically for fans. If some SF folks find that of interest then we should welcome the chance to share our interest with newcomers. I think having Hawkwind *and* an SF Con there over the weekend would add to the interest rather than subtract from it. I also think it makes it a lot more likely that we'd be able to make this thing happen, and that's important. > Guy T. FoFP From crough45 at AMC.DE Mon Jun 8 12:51:33 1998 From: crough45 at AMC.DE (Chris Croughton) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:51:33 +0000 Subject: HW: Private gig information In-Reply-To: <6545151708061998/A06443/LNMV02/11C6444F2D00*@MHS> from "LN1GJT" at Jun 8, 98 05:15:45 pm Message-ID: LN1GJT wrote: > What is the gut feeling of everybody else - I mean I wouldn't like to sponsor a > gig for the benefit of sci-fi enthusiasts, who may not have a genuine interest > in seeing the band play - as the main reason for the event in the first place! My feeling (as an SF fan) is that if the majority of fans there were going to be 'indifferent' then it wouldn't be done at a con, and /I/ wouldn't want it done at a con either. My suggestion is the other way round - plan a con round the gig. People who just wanted to come to the gig could do that, those who wanted to do more (possibly including getting some of the band to do workshops or whatever, if they were amenable and had time) could do that. There are quite a lot of Hawkwind fans in fandom who don't know anything about any larger Hawkwind fandom (I'm one, for instance, I didn't know of the existence of this mailing list or of "Hawkwind fanzines" before Mike invited me). Re. hotel versus a tree or academy - I don't think a hotel is going to be right either unless it (like the one at Conspiracy in '87) has something like a proper theatre with (at minimum) tiered seating. Even with 200 people having a flat floor with seats and a stage is not good, especially since the bant tend to be rather visual in their performance (or at least they were 10 years ago, I haven't seen them since). > PS, How about a marquee in a field on Dave B's Farm? (or Nik's place in Wales?) > - The band wouldn't have to travel much then would they! Mind you, Kris and > Dave might not like the idea - it could be a bit intrusive, on their doorstep, > so to speak! Power, insurance - they will add quite a bit to the cost, they're included in hire of a normal theatre. Chris C From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Mon Jun 8 12:51:02 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:51:02 +0100 Subject: HW: Private gig information In-Reply-To: <6545151708061998/A06443/LNMV02/11C6444F2D00*@MHS> Message-ID: I feel the same - nothing against sf fans (being a mild one myself), but i) it's a Hawkwind gig for Hawkwind fans, not a Hawkwind gig for sf fans, and ii) I'd personally be willing to pay more just for a gig which would be dedicated than have to go through a convention that would have a lot of non-fans at it (and for whom the gig would be receive low priority in the grand scheme of things). Kevin Perry Technical Manager Wide Multimedia http://www.wide.co.uk/ From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 8 13:03:39 1998 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:03:39 GMT Subject: HW: Private gig information In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:38:40 +0100, you sent through the ether: >This August is the 10th anniversary of Bob's passing. Trevor tells me >the band want to mark that in some way, too.... "Some way" = "profitable" ..just like the last "benefit" -S. From fn62 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Jun 8 12:59:45 1998 From: fn62 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Alison Hopkins) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:59:45 +0100 Subject: HW: Private gig Message-ID: > >I don't have a con; my idea was to hold one specially, possibly with a theme >of "music in SF". I don't know of any existing cons which would be suitable >this close (yes, 1999 is generally 'close', people running cons then will >generally be already budgetted and have their venue booked), but Ali suggested >that she does have one. I do, indeed......... :) > >You really don't want to try to get a licence for a gig in a hall without a >music licence. That way lies madness. Far easier to find a hall with a music >licence (and they might already have tech gear, which may or may not help). Which applies to a con, usually. And, I am NOT trying to pre-empt any decision here, it's your call! :) >Well, I'm willing, I don't know about him . Yes, I can work as tech crew >under him if he has more experience, or under HW's techie if they have one. >I'm not interested in ego, if someone else has more experience than me and >wants to boss tech then that's fine by me. > Cool.......... Ali From fn62 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Jun 8 13:02:58 1998 From: fn62 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Alison Hopkins) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:02:58 +0100 Subject: HW: Private gig Message-ID: Chris C......... > >> Sort of vaguely, in other words off the newsgroups. Seems like a Decent Chap > >Thanks ... You're welcome! > >> . We may well have met at cons, but the trouble with being in fandom for >> a long time, is that the faces begin to blur! > >As far as I know we haven't met, but I'm hopeless at faces anyway. I get names, but not faces. what a mix...... > >> PS: Am I allowed to post a brief plug for the con? > >Well, I'd like to know what it is, anyway... > >Chris C OK, 'ere tis - the short version, anyhow. Kim and I have being running (fan) cons since 1980, including being committee for the Glasgow Worldcon. MIRA FURLAN Guest of Honour at TELEFANTASTIQUE 2 plus Peter Morwood, Diane Duane and more TBA A Multi Media Science Fiction Convention Radisson Edwardian Hotel, Heathrow, 23rd/24th/25th July 1999. Guests from TV, Film and the written word, including Babylon 5, Trek and much more. Registration: ?45 Single Rooms ?50, sharing ?40. For more information and a registration form, please send an SAE to: Kim Knight 38 Rochford Avenue Loughton Essex, IG10 2BS England or email Ali on fn62 at dial.pipex.com COME JOIN THE PARTY From fn62 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Jun 8 12:57:33 1998 From: fn62 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Alison Hopkins) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:57:33 +0100 Subject: HW: Private gig Message-ID: >And you volunteered for this? Mad, totally - but people who volunteer to run >SF conventions are equally mad. Me, I just volunteer to do safe things like >run tech for a rock band ... *I'm* not mad, I just wear this weird coat with straps.......... >Advertise it when it's more definite, and get solid (or at least fairly solid) >ideas of numbers attending and costs. Either massive over-attendance or >under-attendance can be a problem - getting 75% or 150% of the expected number >is probably manageable, but outside that there will be problems. > I think our current main room takes 800+........... it's a nice problem to have, tho! Ali From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jun 8 14:23:51 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:23:51 +0000 Subject: HW: Private gig information Message-ID: On m?n 8 jun 1998 17.37 +0100 "M Holmes" wrote: > What is the gut feeling of everybody else - I mean I wouldn't like to > sponsor a gig for the benefit of sci-fi enthusiasts, who may not have > a genuine interest in seeing the band play - as the main reason for > the event in the first place! My feelings are similar. For a list-gig I'd be willing to scrape up some cash to contribute to the pot. Otherwise--well, I'm a poor student and don't usually go around underwriting public concerts! I'd happily go to such a gig, if it were convienient, but it looks a lot like a regular gig. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Mon Jun 8 14:38:49 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:38:49 +0200 Subject: HW: Special gig Message-ID: Hello folks Dave Brock told us that, if this gig should ever happen, it will be a VERY SPECIAL one. Here are his own words: "...make it extra "spacey" for the event" I think this should eliminate all fears that it could be a "normal or a typical" HAWKWIND gig Bernhard From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Mon Jun 8 14:48:19 1998 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:48:19 +0100 Subject: HW: Private gig information Message-ID: Subject: Re: HW: Private gig information >Seeing Hawkwind play the Warrior set in a castle would be pretty close >to perfect for me. However, most of the castles we could book for this >sort of events are hotels also and would probably glance askew at us >wanting to camp and run a rock gig. The hotels which are ruins would be >prohibited to us as protected buildings though we might be able to get >close to them in a nearby private field. Just a suggestion along the castle idea. Try Heuxmonseux castle (sorry that`s not the right spelling) in East Sussex. They hold a medievil fair (which is why I know it) which has camping etc every summer. Its currently a US college but few students stay over the summer. The stage could be set up right in front of the castle as it`s a hard standing or in a marquee if prefered as there is acres of room. You wouldn`t probably have access to the actual castle on the day but you can stay/rent a room inside by arrangement. It`s about 1 1/2 hours drive from London. There is also a world reknown (I`m told) observatory there (to add a spacey link) and astronomer Patrick Moore is involved in that. The Medeival fair normally has a web page if you do a yahoo search which I can`t do right now but the site would have a bit more info and maybe pics. Also, from what I remember of Paul`s post re Dave`s thoughts. It seemed to me that Dave didn`t nessecarily mean a scifi con. Just a more major fan event i.e. Hawkfans. Something along the lines of a HAWKcon 2 Just thoughts thrown out... Si ----- "I`ve got 'some' answers to 'most' of your questions!" The Alice Cooper Trivia File - http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/intro.html My Tubes Page - http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/7998/ From kg at THING.DE Mon Jun 8 15:17:21 1998 From: kg at THING.DE (stalker) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:17:21 +0200 Subject: CALVERT: Huw Lloyd Langton & Arthur Brown UPDATES Message-ID: hi, more updates on the Robert Calvert site: the 'World ON Calvert' frames are now featuring # a new file of Huw Lloyd Langrton on Calvert -including various unreleased live-pics from Hawkwind gigs with Calvert guesting plus a review from this gig in Margate # an update of the Arthur Brown file ON Calvert at: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/calon.htm the Collab-O-Relators frames are now featuring # a new file on Huw Lloyd Langton -including unreleased live-pic from the Sea-Con gig with Calvert # a major update on Arthur Brown's latest activities - incl. new pics at: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/calcoll.htm comments, additions etc. are welcome... k. From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Jun 8 15:26:36 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:26:36 -0400 Subject: HW: Private gig information Message-ID: Jon said... >Well, I thought the original idea of a castle was better. >I also think the castle is a better idea as some form of camp-out/all >nighter was what people had in mind, no? I think this is something I'd be behind more strongly. But then, I'm not really in a position to say what is possible and what is not, being on the west side of the pond and all. And I've never been to a SF con, and I would consider that kind of event only of 'passing interest,' despite having read quite a lot of it. But what the planned gig is associated with isn't really an issue with me...and I wouldn't care who comes, doesn't come, or how many people there are at the event. I just think the venue or *site* would be the most important thing. If it's to be a special event that a lot of people go way out of their way to plan and carry out, the location should warrant that effort. So I would be thinking about an 'outdoor' type of site, whether that meant the entire stage/audience was outdoors or whether they played in some sort of structure (like a castle) with camping nearby. I don't know what sort of lead time you all were thinking, but they way it seems so far, it's going to be a while before everyone even gets on the same page, and then it'll probably be a long time before enough contact is made back and forth with Dave (& whoever else) such that final planning could even come about. So I'm thinking that perhaps the date to shoot for would be June 20-21, 1999. (That's a Sunday night into Monday morning...*close* to a weekend event.) And if that doesn't deserve to be outdoors, what does?? Now, are there any stone circles we could *rent* for that time? Preferably ones that have power available. :) Perhaps most of you were not thinking that far into the future, but the way it seems with HW, things planned for six months into the future never happen until 12 months into the future...right, Paul? So, we just tell Dave it'll be Dec. 20-21, and he'll show up right on time, June 20th. :) >This August is the 10th anniversary of Bob's passing. Trevor tells me >the band want to mark that in some way, too.... Well, of course, the actual date was August 14, 1988, and I know exactly where HW will be at that moment...here in Ohio! So if SD'98 doesn't mark that anniversary sufficiently, I don't know what will. Of course, all you Euros should simultaneously be marking that anniversary at the Jonkoping festival. And I can't imagine that HW is coming to SD'98 for profit, as it is to be the only gig they do in the US then. (I guess Jim L. and Dave are trying to work out a proper US tour in November, but who knows if that will ever happen.) Keith H. (FAA) From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jun 8 15:40:39 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:40:39 -0400 Subject: Hi John, I gotta get off the list for a bit . . . Message-ID: Martin: Good to hear from you, but to get off the list, you need to e-mail the list administrator, Ben Cohen - ben at st-canard.spc.edu Cool piece on BOC - I'll forward to the list when I get a chance. John PS: If/when you get your BOC book published, remember that my last name is spelled "Swartz" ;-) From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jun 8 15:45:31 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:45:31 -0400 Subject: BOC: Covers Message-ID: >For shame FAQMAN, what about Wings of Mercury? Yeah, I guess this is a cover since BOC didn't write it. But, did it ever appear on anyone else's albums? BTW, I made an even bigger omission - I didn't mention either "Kick out the Jams", or "We Gotta Get Out of this Place" - guess it's time go back and listen to *Some Enchanted Evening* (my 1st BOC album) again... ;-) John From mordru at GEKKO.NET Mon Jun 8 16:02:22 1998 From: mordru at GEKKO.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:02:22 -0400 Subject: BOC: Covers Message-ID: >>For shame FAQMAN, what about Wings of Mercury? > >Yeah, I guess this is a cover since BOC didn't write it. But, did it >ever appear on anyone else's albums? If Wings of Mercury qualifies, shouldn't half of Club Ninja? +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at gekko.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Jun 8 15:56:35 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:56:35 -0700 Subject: BOC: Covers Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:45:31 -0400, John A Swartz wrote: >>For shame FAQMAN, what about Wings of Mercury? > >Yeah, I guess this is a cover since BOC didn't write it. But, did it >ever appear on anyone else's albums? Nope. It's not even on the various posthumous Dream Syndicate outtakes albums that have come out recently. Nor is it on the new CD by Karl Percoda's latest project, 'The Last Days of May' (which is supposed to be great, although I haven't heard it yet). -Doug ceres at sirius.com From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jun 8 16:24:43 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:24:43 -0400 Subject: BOC: Covers Message-ID: > Nor is it on the new CD by Karl Percoda's latest project, 'The Last Days of May' (which is supposed to be great, althou gh I haven't heard it yet). Hey, this sounds like new info for the FAQ - please let me know about this project. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jun 8 16:28:25 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:28:25 -0400 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" Message-ID: Just heard on AOL from Ray Koob (CMC Marketing guy) that Buck and Eric just did a cool parody of BOC's "Godzilla" called "No-Zilla", and it has to do with the fact that their tune wasn't included in the new movie soundtrack. Presumably, you can request this at many radio stations. That's all I know at the moment - stay tuned... John From tgn at GATE.NET Mon Jun 8 16:38:28 1998 From: tgn at GATE.NET (Timothy G. Northrup) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:38:28 -0400 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" Message-ID: >>... it has to do with the fact that their tune wasn't included in the new movie soundtrack ... After seeing the movie this past weekend, BOC should count their lucky stars. What a turkey! Not sure where all the songs on the so-called "soundtrack" came from ... I don't recall hearing any tunes until the closing credits. -- Tim From adawson at CLARA.NET Mon Jun 8 16:59:34 1998 From: adawson at CLARA.NET (Andrew Dawson) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:59:34 +0100 Subject: HW: Private gig information In-Reply-To: <01bd930e$015959a0$LocalHost@pc> Message-ID: At 19:48 08/06/98 +0100, you wrote: >Subject: Re: HW: Private gig information > > >>Seeing Hawkwind play the Warrior set in a castle would be pretty close >>to perfect for me. However, most of the castles we could book for this >>sort of events are hotels also and would probably glance askew at us >>wanting to camp and run a rock gig. The hotels which are ruins would be >>prohibited to us as protected buildings though we might be able to get >>close to them in a nearby private field. > > >Just a suggestion along the castle idea. >Try Heuxmonseux castle (sorry that`s not the right spelling) in East Sussex. >They hold a medievil fair (which is why I know it) which has camping etc >every summer. Its currently a US college but few students stay over the >summer. The stage could be set up right in front of the castle as it`s a >hard standing or in a marquee if prefered as there is acres of room. You >wouldn`t probably have access to the actual castle on the day but you can >stay/rent a room inside by arrangement. It`s about 1 1/2 hours drive from >London. There is also a world reknown (I`m told) observatory there (to add a >spacey link) and astronomer Patrick Moore is involved in that. >The Medeival fair normally has a web page if you do a yahoo search which I >can`t do right now but the site would have a bit more info and maybe pics. > Check out http://www.seetb.org.uk/herstmonceux/ Probably a bit out of our price range though at 1,000 UKP plus for hire of grounds and gardens. Nice idea though. Andrew Dawson adawson at clara.net Into Hawkwind ? Then check out the Worldwide discography. http://home.clara.net/adawson From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jun 8 17:07:43 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:07:43 EDT Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" In-Reply-To: <01BD92FB.DE88DD40.tgn@Gate.Net> Message-ID: From: "Timothy G. Northrup" > >>... it has to do with the fact that their tune wasn't included in the new movie soundtrack ... > > After seeing the movie this past weekend, BOC should count their lucky stars. > What a turkey! Not sure where all the songs on the so-called "soundtrack" came > from ... I don't recall hearing any tunes until the closing credits. > > -- Tim Tim, ya beat me to it! After a good opening weekend, the big green guy's in a box-office freefall. Looks like a lot of people had a lot of problems with the flick. I haven't seen it [and now won't, following the bales of bad reviews] though I might have if the BOC song had been on the soundtrack. For one, the creature looks like a bad copy of a refugee from Lost World--it doesn't look like Godzilla. They shoulda called the flick someting else. BOC's lucky to dodge a bullet with that one, though no matter how bad the film is, it would've been pretty cool to have the song on it, given the concurrent release of HF... theo .................. "...Cause it makes me mad, And I get evil as a man can be." --A.K. ............................... From tgn at GATE.NET Mon Jun 8 21:45:56 1998 From: tgn at GATE.NET (Timothy G. Northrup) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:45:56 -0400 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" Message-ID: Theo -- Since you won't be seeing it, I'll go ahead and spoil it for you. Monster trashes NYC. Monster gets killed. The end. The most disjointed part of the movie which actually got me laughing was the background music. It was like the majestic music playing in Jurasic Park when they first show the dinosaurs, only they play it throughout the entire movie. "Lizard eats a military helicopter ... ahh ... isn't that a beautiful sight?" :-) The movie was completely awful (at least that's what my wife would have said had she actually accompanied me :-) Later ... -- Tim On Monday, June 08, 1998 5:08 PM, Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 [SMTP:tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU] wrote: > From: "Timothy G. Northrup" > > > >>... it has to do with the fact that their tune wasn't included in the new movie soundtrack ... > > > > After seeing the movie this past weekend, BOC should count their lucky stars. > > What a turkey! Not sure where all the songs on the so-called "soundtrack" came > > from ... I don't recall hearing any tunes until the closing credits. > > > > -- Tim > > Tim, ya beat me to it! After a good opening weekend, the big green > guy's in a box-office freefall. Looks like a lot of people had a lot > of problems with the flick. I haven't seen it [and now won't, > following the bales of bad reviews] though I might have if the BOC > song had been on the soundtrack. For one, the creature looks like a > bad copy of a refugee from Lost World--it doesn't look like Godzilla. > They shoulda called the flick someting else. BOC's lucky to dodge > a bullet with that one, though no matter how bad the film is, it > would've been pretty cool to have the song on it, given the > concurrent release of HF... > > theo > > .................. > > "...Cause it makes me mad, > And I get evil as a man can be." > --A.K. > ............................... From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Jun 9 02:32:08 1998 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 02:32:08 EDT Subject: Tape Swap Message-ID: In a message dated 98-06-07 05:11:44 EDT, you write: << LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (Multiple recipients of list BOC-L) And so "Thirteen" by Johnny Cash is the first track to appear on more than one tape... - Andy >> Damn, if I'd known Cash was gonna be so prominent, I would have thrown on Zappa's cover of "Ring of Fire"... Charlie From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Tue Jun 9 04:37:46 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:37:46 +0100 Subject: Private gig In-Reply-To: <6496936D88FFD011B1D800A024CB5C5F196202@VEG12_EXCH> Message-ID: I feel the same - nothing against sf fans (being a mild one myself), but i) it's a Hawkwind gig for Hawkwind fans, not a Hawkwind gig for sf fans, and ii) I'd personally be willing to pay more just for a gig which would be dedicated than have to go through a convention that would have a lot of non-fans at it (and for whom the gig would be receive low priority in the grand scheme of things). Kevin Perry Technical Manager Wide Multimedia http://www.wide.co.uk/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 9 06:12:09 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:12:09 +0100 Subject: HW: Private gig information In-Reply-To: Andrew Dawson's message of Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:59:34 +0100 Message-ID: Andrew Dawson writes: > Probably a bit out of our price range though at 1,000 UKP plus for hire of > grounds and gardens. Yeah, I got some info on castles and it definitely looks expensive to hire 'em even if they'd countenance a rock gig. It might be possible to hire a farm near a ruin but we wouldn't be allowed on the site of the ruin and we'd have to negotiate permissions, toilets, ambulance cover, etc etc etc. It'd be possible, but a huge amount of work and probably also expense. Still, if someone really wants to go ahead and try this, and the band were up for it, I'd help. I suspect we'd have to look for say 2000 Pounds minimum for the and, and a minimum of 1000 Pounds in other costs. It'd be possible with close to 100 of us paying 50 (80 Dollars) each and some folks doing a *lot* of work. Working with an SF Con ought to be cheaper because we can share some tech resources and the hotel will already be booked with appropriate permissions. It shoudl also be possible to defray some costs by a small door fee for Con members attending the show - making it a lot more possible for us to put together a budget. It being at Heathrow makes it possible for those outside the UK to visit. For those of us out of town, the COn would provide entertainment for the entire weekend (allowing some other possibilities lie Hawkwind oriented room parties) thus making paying for travel more worthwhile (even from Scotland, travel costs will be more than other expenses). I also do believe that with such an event we can pull in some of the ex-Hawks like Nik, Lemmy or Moorcock if we can get the organisation tied down enough to convince them it's going to be a real Hawk event. It ain't the absolutely perfect Hawkwind gig but it is a realistically possible Hawkwind gig and one which Dave has said he'll pull out the stops to make special. Add that to the possibilities of reunion type guests and we can make something of this that we'll be proud to have done. If someone is willing to take up the mantle to organise something better and it can be made realistically possible then I'd be willing to withdraw in favour of that. Short of such an offer I think it would be worthwhile for me to put my efforts into this. What do you guys think? > Andrew Dawson FoFP From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Jun 9 08:03:24 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:03:24 +0100 Subject: Tape Swap In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 08 Jun 1998 11:16:47 BST." <357BBA08.CB2B8747@geocities.com> Message-ID: > Andy Gilham wrote: > > > And so "Thirteen" by Johnny Cash is the first track to appear on more > > than > > one tape... > > > > - Andy > > But the mighty Rose Tattoo have cropped up at least twice now... I think I can say with utmost certainty, that nothing on Christian's tape will overlap with *anybody*. :-) Its, err, a challenging 90 minutes. But of course, 'each to their own' underpins the whole project. I 'spect mine might be the only one with some Roni Size/Reprazent on it. cheers Tim From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jun 9 08:20:19 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:20:19 -0400 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" Message-ID: >After seeing the movie this past weekend, BOC should count their lucky stars. What a turkey! Well, I haven't seen it, but that "thing" in the movie ain't Godzilla - it looks more like an iguana or horny-toad. This past weekend, I bought a copy of the 1992 release of "Godzilla vs King Ghidorah" so I could watch the REAL Godzilla in action. John From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Jun 9 09:11:51 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 06:11:51 -0700 Subject: OFF: Tape Project Message-ID: Seems like people are having fun now that the music is in the mailboxes. Day late and a dollar short I recently thought of a good tape to drive some poor person nuts. Would have laid out the heaviest, wackiest tracks I had and Tick closings between everysong. For example: "Isn't sanity just a one trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking. But when your good and crazy the sky's the limit." -The Tick -then- Galactic Cowboys Psychotic Companion... Oh well maybe next time. Ghost in the Ruins MOMENTS ON THE CAROUSEL MUST ADMIT WE RIDE IT WELL AND THE HORSES NEVER TELL ALL THROUGHOUT THE RIDE THAT NO ONE LEAVES NO ONE LEAVES NO ONE LEAVES... ALIVE From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 9 10:36:07 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:36:07 +0000 Subject: OFF: Merton Jam Summer, 13 June Message-ID: A few people on the lists told me they had some interest in showing up to this, so I'm forwarding the official annoucement below. (Directions to St. John's College, Cambridge are available at http://www.joh.cam.ac.uk/General/Maps/ and Merton Hall is the long limb of the L-shaped building marked "2" on the college map, next to "Merton Court"). ----- This Saturday, 13 June, there will be a party and jam session at Merton Hall, St. John's College. The decks will be cleared for people to arrive by 6pm and there will be a BBQ, so bring something to grill (there will be seperate vegetarian grill). There will be frisbee and football on the lawn (if anyone brings a frisbee or football). The jam session will occur when we feel like it. Bring your instruments. No experience necessary! The theme of the evening is "Improv in E" :) and we stand by our now standard promise that non-team players who wank continuously will be summarily bludgeoned to death with old Ramones records. Smoking is permitted in the Merton Hall Common Room and in the Great Outdoors. Any volunteers to help carry the drum kit back to storage at the end will be mst welcome! So bring your toys, bring your beverage, bring yourselves. ----- Rock On, Carl ObTape: "Das Ludicroix" jam session, someone's house, Middleboro, MA, 25 March 1995 -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jun 9 09:32:47 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:32:47 +0100 Subject: HW: Private gig information In-Reply-To: <199806081926.PAA17525@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: In article <199806081926.PAA17525 at mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu>, Keith Henderson writes >Of course, all you >Euros should simultaneously be marking that anniversary at the Jonkoping >festival. I am deeply touched that a festival for me coping is being arranged. Things haven't been easy recently, but when fine people acknowledge your efforts like this it makes it truly worthwhile. Thanks, people. -- Jon From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Jun 9 10:04:29 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 07:04:29 PDT Subject: OFF: Tape Swap + Doug Bates. Message-ID: Hey Ho Barleymo! Mister Doug Bates - You tape is on the way as of yesterday lunchtime. You may hate it, and I have a mind to make another and send that as well - just to make two c-90's of oddities and other personal favourites. I had to ignore so many just to make it all fit onto one tape. Wack-wack-ooops. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Jun 9 06:31:35 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:31:35 +0000 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" Message-ID: > > > After seeing the movie this past weekend, BOC should count their lucky stars. > > > What a turkey! Not sure where all the songs on the so-called "soundtrack" came > > > from ... I don't recall hearing any tunes until the closing credits. > > > > > > -- Tim I read somewhere that the producer and director actually 'worked' nine or so soundtrack songs into the movie, but I only heard one myself...it's during a scene in a bar, and you can hear the Wallflowers' remake of Bowie's 'Heroes' for about two seconds. Thanks for vindicating me by the way...this movie blew! When I said it the first time, I didn't get as many concurring opinions as I'd expected. I started to wonder if maybe I and the other 90 percent of America were wrong : ) -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Jun 9 06:37:52 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:37:52 +0000 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" Message-ID: > This past weekend, I bought a > copy of the 1992 release of "Godzilla vs King Ghidorah" so I could watch > the REAL Godzilla in action. > > John Ha! I bought it too! I've been waiting for those 90s Japanese flicks to get a U.S. release. They also have Godzilla vs. Mothra, you know. BTW John...I've ranted on and on about how bad the U.S. Godzilla is, but out of curiosity, did the plot of King Ghidorah leave you scratching your head a bunch? It did me...I have a feeling whoever dubbed it didn't quite get it right. Also, when this movie came out in Japan, I remember hearing that it was widely perceived as anti-American. I didn't really get that impression. Again, perhaps some creative dubbing. My final impression: Despite its flaws, a ton more entertaining and satisfying than the U.S. Godzilla. -- Nick From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jun 9 10:46:01 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:46:01 EDT Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" In-Reply-To: <19980609143230.AAA10935@[208.214.94.66]> Message-ID: > From: Nick English > > This past weekend, I bought a > > copy of the 1992 release of "Godzilla vs King Ghidorah" so I could watch > > the REAL Godzilla in action. > > > > John > > Ha! I bought it too! I've been waiting for those 90s Japanese flicks > to get a U.S. release. They also have Godzilla vs. Mothra, you know. > BTW John...I've ranted on and on about how bad the U.S. Godzilla is, > but out of curiosity, did the plot of King Ghidorah leave you > scratching your head a bunch? It did me...I have a feeling whoever > dubbed it didn't quite get it right. > I always like the way the Godzilla flicks feature a couple of 'reporters' in a booth, commenting on the destruction and carnage. And they're right in the path of the monster, yet their booth never gets smashed... theo .................. "...Cause it makes me mad, And I get evil as a man can be." --A.K. ............................... From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jun 9 11:15:20 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:15:20 -0400 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" Message-ID: >I've been waiting for those 90s Japanese flicks to get a U.S. release. The one I have is Japanese with English sub-titles. >but out of curiosity, did the plot of King Ghidorah leave you scratching your head a bunch? It did me...I have a feeling whoever dubbed it didn't quite get it right. A little, but I knew the plot ahead of time, so that may have helped. >Also, when this movie came out in Japan, I remember hearing that it was widely perceived as anti-American. I didn't really get that impression. Me neither. "Pro-Japan" perhaps, but I remember no mention of the U.S. in particular. John From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Jun 9 07:50:32 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:50:32 +0000 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" Message-ID: > >Also, when this movie came out in Japan, I remember hearing that it > was widely perceived as anti-American. I didn't really get that > impression. > > Me neither. "Pro-Japan" perhaps, but I remember no mention of the U.S. > in particular. > > John Yeah...I mean the soldiers on the Island are clearly under U.S. attack, but the movie doesn't really judge either side. It makes the Japanese soldiers look courageous and heroic, but it doesn't vilify the Americans. Although they DO get STOMPED! -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Jun 9 07:50:32 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:50:32 +0000 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" Message-ID: > The one I have is Japanese with English sub-titles. I wonder if it's essentially the same as my dubbed copy. The thing that vexes me the most is that they go back in time, and stop Godzilla from ever having existed...yet when they get back, everybody still knows who Godzilla is...and, like, they know that Godzilla doesn't exist anymore...or something like that...pardon my non-gum-chewing-non-Elvis-imitating French, but that whole situation about Godzilla existing/not existing is totally fucked up! If his creation was erased from human history, how does everybody know who he is? And why do they talk about the creation of a 'new Godzilla'? Is that the gyst of the plot in your copy? -- Nick From mumford at ONLINE.NO Tue Jun 9 11:59:00 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:59:00 +0200 Subject: HW stuff from the web Message-ID: > > And while we're on the subject of answering tedious and unlikely > > questions, can you tell me which Hawkwind LP cover Terry Oakes drew? > > (http://abandon-art.tne.co.uk/artists/biog_to.html) > > > mike w > He is credited with "illustration" on 'Choose Your Masques,' with "cover > design" by Andrew Christian and "finished artwork" by Partridge/Rushton > Associates, so I'm not sure which part of it he did. > > Kevin Sommers He might have done the basic illustrations/sketches, and the others the finished piece based on that and the type etc... Chr. "You gotta touch the hand that tickles you to death." - Monster Magnet From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Jun 9 13:35:32 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:35:32 -0400 Subject: Was: HW: Private gig information Message-ID: Jon cops to trying to cope with.... >In article <199806081926.PAA17525 at mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu>, Keith >Henderson writes >>Of course, all you Euros should simultaneously be marking that anniversary at the >>Jonkoping festival. >I am deeply touched that a festival for me coping is being arranged. Well, I'm no expert at Swedish pronunciation, but I think Jonkoping is pronounced more like 'Yawn Shopping' but perhaps it literally means 'Gone Shopping.' :) Anyway, perhaps the festival was set up to raise money to cover your debts from over-shopping on CDs. In which case, you should still be deeply touched. :) Keith H., aka Kjell Hendersson (FAA) From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jun 9 15:38:56 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:38:56 -0400 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" Message-ID: >The thing that vexes me the most is that they go back in time, and stop Godzilla from ever having existed...yet when they get back, everybody still knows who Godzilla is...and, like, they know that Godzilla doesn't exist anymore...or something like that...pardon my non-gum-chewing-non-Elvis-imitating French, but that whole situation about Godzilla existing/not existing is totally fucked up! If his creation was erased from human history, how does everybody know who he is? And why do they talk about the creation of a 'new Godzilla'? That, plus when Godzilla DOES destroy Ghidorah, the folks from the future tell how now Japan will basically be destroyed by Godzilla in the 21st century, yet they prepare to return to home in the 23rd century - but, isn't their home now altered by the fact that Godzilla presumably destroys it 200 years before they existed? Didn't Toho learn about time travel from Back to the Future? ;-) John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jun 9 16:06:07 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:06:07 EDT Subject: EB's litany of monsters In-Reply-To: <199806091938.PAA11632@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: All this latest talk about the movie has gotten me thinking about some of EB's better introductions of Godzilla. I've heard him tick off three or four monsters before saying Godzilla. Like: Is it Mothra?...Is it Gidorah, the 3-headed monster from space?[am I using the correct one here? Is Gidorah from outerspace?]. I once heard him ask: is it.......[can't remember which] the big crab-looking monster with .....[can't remember exactly] stuck up his ass? Anyone heard any good EB-isms on 'zilla? theo .................. "...Cause it makes me mad, And I get evil as a man can be." --A.K. ............................... From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Tue Jun 9 16:21:04 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (SPRAWL) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:21:04 -0400 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" Message-ID: hehehe.. name one single instance in any work of fiction where the act of altering the past was handled properly. the closest i've seen was in an episode of red dwarf, and that was atrocious! IMO, anytime time travel is introduced, things are bound to get silly. Superman can fly around the earth backwards faster than the speed of light, turn back time and fix any error he makes. yeah right. if time travel is ever to exist, then it must always have existed. altering the past erases the continuum from which the action was launched. if that continuum doesnt exist, then history was never altered, so nothing has changed. loopty loop... rj... going back to unsend this post. John A Swartz wrote: > > >The thing > that vexes me the most is that they go back in time, and stop > Godzilla from ever having existed...yet when they get back, everybody > still knows who Godzilla is...and, like, they know that Godzilla > doesn't exist anymore...or something like that...pardon my > non-gum-chewing-non-Elvis-imitating French, but that whole situation > about Godzilla existing/not existing is totally fucked up! If his > creation was erased from human history, how does everybody > know who he is? And why do they talk about the creation of a 'new > Godzilla'? > > That, plus when Godzilla DOES destroy Ghidorah, the folks from the > future tell how now Japan will basically be destroyed by Godzilla in > the 21st century, yet they prepare to return to home in the 23rd > century - but, isn't their home now altered by the fact that Godzilla > presumably destroys it 200 years before they existed? > > Didn't Toho learn about time travel from Back to the Future? ;-) > > John From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 9 18:23:13 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:23:13 +0100 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" In-Reply-To: SPRAWL's message of Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:21:04 -0400 Message-ID: SPRAWL writes: > hehehe.. > name one single instance in any work of fiction where the act of > altering the past was handled properly. the closest i've seen was in an > episode of red dwarf, and that was atrocious! 'The Man Who Folded Himself' was pretty clever from what I recall although checking out the SF Guide it gets a very low rating so may not be as good as I thought - however Silverberg's 'Up The Line' with a time travelling historian in search of his grandmother (I think) for not entirely pure motives was a wonderful read. An oddly compelling book I remember was Asimov's 'End of Eternity' with a strange Time Travelling machine he called a Kettle. But for a very curious complex and intelligent story including philosophy, psychology and the structure of time itself you should read Brian Aldiss "An Age" also known as "Cryptozoic". It includes a pub in the Jurassic Period that calls itself "The Amniote Egg". Sorry - off topic - but I couldn't resist. I return you now to the real Monsters of Rock.... jill obquote> Time present and time past / Are both perhaps present in time future, / And time future contained in time past ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Tue Jun 9 18:42:35 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (SPRAWL) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:42:35 -0400 Subject: OFF: [Fwd: Mail failure] Message-ID: sorry to post this to the list, but it only occurs when i post to the list, so i thot someone here might know something about it? this seems to have something to do with someone named STEVE J. but i've seen it happen with other user's names attached as well... can anyone explain it to me, so i at least know why it's happening? thot the mail went to a single recip, then was distributed from there? thanks, rj see below..... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Subject: Mail failure Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:27:00 +0100 From: TV/RAPICRMS/POSTMASTER To: "SPRAWL" [001] Failure delivering user mail to missing mailbag. Mail item was not delivered to: TV/RAPICRMS/SteveJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ Microsoft Mail v3.0 (MAPI 1.0 Transport) IPM.Microsoft Mail.Note From: SPRAWL To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: BOC: "No-Zilla" Date: 1998-06-09 21:21 Priority: 3 Message ID: C1B8664CD2FFD111B58F0000F84A8A20 hehehe.. name one single instance in any work of fiction where the act of altering the past was handled properly. the closest i've seen was in an -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: unknown sender Subject: no subject Date: no date Size: 3308 URL: From fn62 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Jun 9 18:53:13 1998 From: fn62 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Alison Hopkins) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:53:13 +0100 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" Message-ID: >'The Man Who Folded Himself' was pretty clever from what I recall >although checking out the SF Guide it gets a very low rating so may not >be as good as I thought - Think I'll show off now........... :) :) Wasn't that written by David Gerrold? This is a gratuitous question, purely 'cos David is a mate of mine! But, I could be misremembering..... Ali From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jun 9 18:55:26 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:55:26 +0100 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" In-Reply-To: <199806092223.XAA15967@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > 'The Man Who Folded Himself' was pretty clever from what I recall Otherwise known as "The Man Who Fondled Himself". :) - Andy, seeing himself go by, the other side of the sky mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Jun 9 18:53:17 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:53:17 +0100 Subject: Tape Swap In-Reply-To: <199806091203.NAA08314@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: At 13:03 09/06/98 +0100, you wrote: > >But of course, 'each to their own' underpins the whole project. I 'spect mine >might be the only one with some Roni Size/Reprazent on it. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Once again I'm reminded that I haven't got my vinyl BOO-HOO! > >cheers > > >Tim A damn' fine band sir! ChrisW ObSounds:Sick girlfriend snoring *sigh* Free your mind & watch your ass! From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jun 9 19:25:49 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:25:49 EDT Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" In-Reply-To: <000301bd93f9$b16b9740$613f63c3@default> Message-ID: > From: Andy Gilham > > 'The Man Who Folded Himself' was pretty clever from what I recall > > Otherwise known as "The Man Who Fondled Himself". > > :) So long as it isn't 'the man who fouled himself...' theo From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jun 9 20:01:58 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 01:01:58 +0100 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > > 'The Man Who Folded Himself' was pretty clever from what I recall > > > > Otherwise known as "The Man Who Fondled Himself". > > > > :) > > So long as it isn't 'the man who fouled himself...' > > theo No, really, what happens (as I recall) is this guy goes back and forth in time and has lots of sex with himself. Some of his alternate selves are female. Gerrold's other claim to fame is writing the "tribbles" episode for Star Trek. Dave Brock would seem to be a bit of a trekkie, he said, clutching for on-topicness, with all those samples of Mr Data, the lettering on _Strange Trips_, the references to the "Grand Nagus" on the HW Mission Control site, etc etc... hey, maybe we should get him to play at a Trek convention! Is that the time? - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From StevenTice at AOL.COM Tue Jun 9 23:55:25 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:55:25 EDT Subject: EB's litany of monsters Message-ID: "Is it Oprah before she lost all that weight?" :-) From a live concert during the Imaginos tours... SET From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Wed Jun 10 00:25:39 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 04:25:39 +0000 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" Message-ID: > > hehehe.. > > name one single instance in any work of fiction where the act of > > altering the past was handled properly. I must admit I don't have much interest in time travel stories...the best job I've ever seen of it was in one of the Simpsons Halloween specials, where Homer screws up his toaster and it takes him back in time. BTW, how can we convince Matt Groening to put a BOC reference on the show? : ) Damn, they've gotten some kinda laugh out of just about every other 70s band, from Iron Butterfly to Grand Funk to Steve Miller to the Ramones, etc. How 'bout a flashback scene of Homer singing along to 'Burnin' for You'? -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Wed Jun 10 00:28:04 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 04:28:04 +0000 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" Message-ID: > That, plus when Godzilla DOES destroy Ghidorah, the folks from the > future tell how now Japan will basically be destroyed by Godzilla in > the 21st century, yet they prepare to return to home in the 23rd > century - but, isn't their home now altered by the fact that Godzilla > presumably destroys it 200 years before they existed? I'm thinking this must have been where the anti-American aspect of the movie comes into play...since two of the three villains from the future are obviously "Western", and the third, who informs us she's Japanese, quickly becomes sympathetic to our heroes. -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Wed Jun 10 00:30:17 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 04:30:17 +0000 Subject: EB's litany of monsters Message-ID: > All this latest talk about the movie has gotten me thinking about > some of EB's better introductions of Godzilla. > > I've heard him tick off three or four monsters before saying > Godzilla. Like: > Is it Mothra?...Is it Gidorah, the 3-headed monster from space?[am I > using the correct one here? Is Gidorah from outerspace?]. I once > heard him ask: is it.......[can't remember which] the big > crab-looking monster with .....[can't remember exactly] stuck up his > ass? > > Anyone heard any good EB-isms on 'zilla? > > theo I used to have a tape of the last show they did at the Binghamton Arena (Opening for Rush...sorry to say!), where Eric asks: "Is it Gamera, the flying fuckin' turtle?" -- Nick From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jun 10 06:19:04 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:19:04 +0100 Subject: HW: Private gig information In-Reply-To: <199806091012.LAA19541@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <199806091012.LAA19541 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk>, M Holmes writes >It ain't the absolutely perfect Hawkwind gig but it is a realistically >possible Hawkwind gig and one which Dave has said he'll pull out the >stops to make special. Add that to the possibilities of reunion type >guests and we can make something of this that we'll be proud to have >done. > >If someone is willing to take up the mantle to organise something better >and it can be made realistically possible then I'd be willing to >withdraw in favour of that. Short of such an offer I think it would be >worthwhile for me to put my efforts into this. > >What do you guys think? This is a very saliant point. What you're proposing is do-able. If my circumstances were different, I would go for an outdoor show, but agreed, it is much more work, and things at home are so turbulent I cannot even commit myself to this so, really, I should shut up. I would still like to see an event like that. Maybe next year. I can't even make it to Glastonbury this year. :( BTW my brother's band are having a private gig/single launch party at The Hellfire Caves, West Wycombe in a couple of weeks. It looks like being a right blast. sorry for stirring it. -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jun 10 03:56:06 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:56:06 +0100 Subject: Was: HW: Private gig information In-Reply-To: <199806091735.NAA25060@mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: In article <199806091735.NAA25060 at mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu>, Keith Henderson writes >Anyway, perhaps the festival was set up to raise money to cover your debts >from over-shopping on CDs. Whaaaa-HOOO!!!!! -- Jon From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Wed Jun 10 06:36:49 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (David Hardman) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:36:49 +0100 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" In-Reply-To: <000401bd9402$fc9af0e0$613f63c3@default> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, Andy Gilham wrote: > > > > 'The Man Who Folded Himself' was pretty clever from what I recall > > > > > > Otherwise known as "The Man Who Fondled Himself". > > So long as it isn't 'the man who fouled himself...' Or, indeed, The Man Who Fondued Himself... D ****************************************************************************** David Hardman HCI Design Centre School of Informatics City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jun 10 07:29:09 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 07:29:09 EDT Subject: EB's litany of monsters In-Reply-To: <58c395e2.357e03af@aol.com> Message-ID: >> From: Steven Tice > "Is it Oprah before she lost all that weight?" :-) From a live concert during > the Imaginos tours... > > SET YEAH! I've heard that one live. Most excellent! From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Wed Jun 10 07:37:17 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 07:37:17 -0400 Subject: EB's litany of monsters Message-ID: At Summerdaze (Hartford, CT), after the booming started, he said "Hartford Connecticut, who the FUCK IS THAT!!!" pointing away towards the sunset. In Albany (97), someone had passed a godzilla doll up to Danny who promptly put it on EB's shoulder. EB took it, held it up to the mike and said "Get off the fucking stage, this it MY song" and started in. > ---------- > From: Ted Jackson jr. 6L6[SMTP:tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 4:06 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: EB's litany of monsters > > All this latest talk about the movie has gotten me thinking about > some of EB's better introductions of Godzilla. > > I've heard him tick off three or four monsters before saying > Godzilla. Like: > Is it Mothra?...Is it Gidorah, the 3-headed monster from space?[am I > using the correct one here? Is Gidorah from outerspace?]. I once > heard him ask: is it.......[can't remember which] the big > crab-looking monster with .....[can't remember exactly] stuck up his > ass? > > Anyone heard any good EB-isms on 'zilla? > > theo > > .................. > > "...Cause it makes me mad, > And I get evil as a man can be." > --A.K. > ............................... > From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jun 10 08:07:41 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:07:41 +0100 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Wed, 10 Jun 1998 01:01:58 +0100 Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > No, really, what happens (as I recall) is this guy goes back and forth in > time and has lots of sex with himself. Some of his alternate selves are > female. Gerrold's other claim to fame is writing the "tribbles" episode for > Star Trek. Dave Brock would seem to be a bit of a trekkie, he said, > clutching for on-topicness, with all those samples of Mr Data, the lettering > on _Strange Trips_, the references to the "Grand Nagus" on the HW Mission > Control site, etc etc... hey, maybe we should get him to play at a Trek > convention! Is that the time? > Jeez - this is scary. Definitely selective memory operating here - I could only remember that the time travel logistics got really complicated. I must have been *very* young! oops jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mordru at GEKKO.NET Wed Jun 10 08:27:35 1998 From: mordru at GEKKO.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:27:35 -0400 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" Message-ID: > hehehe.. > name one single instance in any work of fiction where the act of > altering the past was handled properly. Hmmmm there was a semi-recent Astro City special that did a pretty good job of it, I think... iss 1.5 or something like that, I think. 12 Monkeys wouldn't qualify because they didn't alter the past, which is probably the best way to handle it... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at gekko.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Wed Jun 10 08:29:18 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:29:18 +0100 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" In-Reply-To: <199806101207.NAA18941@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > > Star Trek. Dave Brock would seem to be a bit of a trekkie, he said, > > clutching for on-topicness, with all those samples of Mr > Data, the lettering What samples of Mr. Data?!? Kevin Perry Technical Manager Wide Multimedia http://www.wide.co.uk/ From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Wed Jun 10 09:34:39 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:34:39 +0000 Subject: HW: Private gig information In-Reply-To: <6cmx$TAY2lf1EwDu@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: Jon writes: > >BTW my brother's band are having a private gig/single launch party >at The Hellfire Caves, West Wycombe in a couple of weeks. It looks like >being a right blast. > >sorry for stirring it. >-- >Jon SUPERB Venue, but I don't know how many you could squeeze into the Hellfire caves - I went to a stag night there once, and had a superb time! May be worth looking into though, you could probably get an audience of up to 150, but there may be a "Health and Safety" limit on the place. Guy T. From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Wed Jun 10 08:42:46 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:42:46 +0100 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" In-Reply-To: <199806101227.IAA11516@blue.gekko.net> Message-ID: > > name one single instance in any work of fiction where the act of > > altering the past was handled properly. And handled properly means..? Is there a correct way? Can there be a correct way? I can think of a couple of suggestions though: i) Moorcock's Dancers at the End of Time (Morphail Effect) ii) Julian May's Pliocene saga works very excellently and logically iii) Greg Bear's Eon is OK (although the Pi-meter is very silly) iv) Zelazny's Amber handles time travel differently (alternate universes, which is a viable possibility based on quantum mechanics) Kevin Perry Technical Manager Wide Multimedia http://www.wide.co.uk/ From arjanh at CS.VU.NL Wed Jun 10 09:25:17 1998 From: arjanh at CS.VU.NL (Hulsebos A) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:25:17 +0200 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" In-Reply-To: "Andrew A. Apold" "Re: BOC: "No-Zilla"" (Jun 10, 8:27am) Message-ID: On Jun 10, 8:27am, Andrew A. Apold wrote: >> hehehe.. >> name one single instance in any work of fiction where the act of >> altering the past was handled properly. I lost the original post, or it's stuck in a queue somewhere.... Altering the past is _one_ messy business, and as such is the Back To The Future sequel does a pretty good job. Also, falling back on the Many Worlds theory is merely a cop-out, with problems of its own, so to type. In that respect, Frederik Pohl 's (? Might've misspelled the name) "The Coming Of The Quantum Cats" is OK. Cheers, Arjan H -- Disclaimer? Whaddayamean, disclaimer? This is 1998! Arjan Hulsebos -- arjanh at cs.vu.nl For more info (last updated June 5,1998): finger -l arjanh at top.cs.vu.nl From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Wed Jun 10 09:26:49 1998 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:26:49 +0100 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" In-Reply-To: <357D9930.672C5E5D@blackboard.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, SPRAWL wrote: > name one single instance in any work of fiction where the act of > altering the past was handled properly. the closest i've seen was in an > episode of red dwarf, and that was atrocious! > IMO, anytime time travel is introduced, things are bound to get silly. BOC lyricist Michael Moorcock uses the concept of the 'Morphail Effect' in his excellent book "Dancers at the end of time". The hero, Jherek Carnelian, can only go back in time if he doesn't make any changes to history, otherwise the Morphail Effect bumps him straight back, or out of time to somewhere else. Kroofroodi mibix - Mike Godwin From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Jun 10 09:26:31 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (SPRAWL) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:26:31 -0400 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" Message-ID: Kevin Perry wrote: > > > > name one single instance in any work of fiction where the act of > > > altering the past was handled properly. > > And handled properly means..? Is there a correct way? Can there be a > correct way? > i said properly, but meant effectively i guess. i have never seen it to make sense. > I can think of a couple of suggestions though: > > i) Moorcock's Dancers at the End of Time (Morphail Effect) great series, but silly as hell. > ii) Julian May's Pliocene saga works very excellently and logically > iii) Greg Bear's Eon is OK (although the Pi-meter is very silly) both greek to me. > iv) Zelazny's Amber handles time travel differently (alternate universes, > which is a viable possibility based on quantum mechanics) at which point does this address time-travel? i've read the entire series at least six times and remember no time travel. (except in dreams and visions...) i was just saying that if ya want a story to remain semi-credible, leave time-travel out of it. 'v seen lots of great stories ruined by breakdown due to timetravel glitches. rj > > Kevin Perry > Technical Manager > Wide Multimedia > http://www.wide.co.uk/ From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Jun 10 09:30:23 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (SPRAWL) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:30:23 -0400 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold wrote: > > > hehehe.. > > name one single instance in any work of fiction where the act of > > altering the past was handled properly. > > Hmmmm there was a semi-recent Astro City special that did a pretty > good job of it, I think... iss 1.5 or something like that, I think. > > 12 Monkeys wouldn't qualify because they didn't alter the past, > which is probably the best way to handle it... > aahh but they did! that one was pretty good. having some guy from the future shot to death in an airport qualifies as altering the past i'd say. i mean, do you think the people who shot the guy were completely unaffected by it? and having him shot there in front of his childhood self .... the endless loop.. and the chick at the end, "insurance...." heh rj > +---------------------------------------+ > Andrew A. Apold (mordru at gekko.net), aka | Tension > Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Apprehension > Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention > aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. > +--------B-L-U-E--V-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester > "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Jun 10 09:35:33 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (SPRAWL) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:35:33 -0400 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" Message-ID: its on the alien four disc. its an intro to one of the songs. i've spoken with dave about it, and yes, he is (or was) a total ST nut. rj Kevin Perry wrote: > > > > Star Trek. Dave Brock would seem to be a bit of a trekkie, he said, > > > clutching for on-topicness, with all those samples of Mr > > Data, the lettering > > What samples of Mr. Data?!? > > Kevin Perry > Technical Manager > Wide Multimedia > http://www.wide.co.uk/ From clemens at TRAIL.COM Wed Jun 10 09:40:32 1998 From: clemens at TRAIL.COM (Clemens) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 07:40:32 -0600 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" Message-ID: Why stop at having Brock at a Trek convention? If Iggy Pop can do an episode of Deep Space 9 then.... Mark L From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Wed Jun 10 09:51:49 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:51:49 +0100 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" In-Reply-To: <357E8987.685982D8@blackboard.com> Message-ID: > i said properly, but meant effectively i guess. i have never > seen it to > make sense. Sorry - I wasn't meaning to be rude about it. They were more rhetorical questions than anything else: sugesting (maybe) that the reason it's (almost) impossible to get a good fictional account of time travel is because of the paradoxical nature of TT and the linear nature of our own lives. But that's a bit heavy for a Wednesday. > > i) Moorcock's Dancers at the End of Time (Morphail Effect) > > great series, but silly as hell. Indeed :-) The Morphail Effect is quite handy though. > > ii) Julian May's Pliocene saga works very excellently and logically I'll stick with this one as a good way of hanlding TT. The pseudo-scientific nature of her whole universe is very well thought out and plausible. It's the internal consistency that makes it work. > > iv) Zelazny's Amber handles time travel differently > > at which point does this address time-travel? I'm not as well versed in Amber as you, but I was thinking of the episode Corwin's raven: agreed, it's not exactly TT, but it is similar. And hellwalking is near identical to the many-worlds interpretation of quantum machanics (apart from the fact that we can't hellwalk of course). If you did want to take a logical and pseudo-scientific view of TT in fiction (which would prove the most consistent way of doing things), I feel that you'd end up with a very dull story (Julian May aside). Kevin Perry Technical Manager Wide Multimedia http://www.wide.co.uk/ From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Wed Jun 10 09:52:38 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:52:38 +0100 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" In-Reply-To: <357E8BA5.5EE3EBA7@blackboard.com> Message-ID: I'll have to give it a good re-listen sometime... Kevin Perry Technical Manager Wide Multimedia http://www.wide.co.uk/ > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On Behalf Of SPRAWL > Sent: 10 June 1998 14:52 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: BOC: "No-Zilla" > > its on the alien four disc. > its an intro to one of the songs. > i've spoken with dave about it, and yes, he is (or was) a From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jun 10 09:55:35 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:55:35 +0100 Subject: HW: Mr Data (was RE: BOC: "No-Zilla") In-Reply-To: <000501bd946b$1bba2f00$2e1ec8c3@desknt_04.wide.co.uk> Message-ID: > > > > Star Trek. Dave Brock would seem to be a bit of a trekkie, he said, > > > clutching for on-topicness, with all those samples of Mr > > Data, the lettering > > What samples of Mr. Data?!? This is what I put in the HW Song Refs file as while ago (you could get a version thru Sonique's page, but I'll stick one on my web-site too in a bit): --- *Alien 4* Alien (I Am) - includes sample from the *Star Trek: the Next Generation* episode entitled "The Mind's Eye". The voices heard are Lt.-Commander Data (Brent Spiner) and the USS Enterprise computer (Majel Barrett). The episode is the one in which Geordi LaForge is "remote-controlled" by Romulan agents. --- *Love in Space* Robot - includes a longer version of the same *Star Trek* sample used in "Alien (I Am)" on *Alien 4*. --- - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mordru at GEKKO.NET Wed Jun 10 10:05:55 1998 From: mordru at GEKKO.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:05:55 -0400 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" Message-ID: >> 12 Monkeys wouldn't qualify because they didn't alter the past, >> which is probably the best way to handle it... >> >aahh but they did! that one was pretty good. having some guy from the >future shot to death in an airport qualifies as altering the past i'd >say. i mean, do you think the people who shot the guy were completely >unaffected by it? >and having him shot there in front of his childhood self .... >the endless loop.. >and the chick at the end, "insurance...." Ah, but did they or didn't they? I disagree here, they didn't alter the past, because the entire thing was already in their past. Not a thing changed in the past of that future we were shown from before and after they sent Willis to the past. There present had already taken all of that into account, as it were. Rather depressingly predestinationist, I suppose... One of my favorite quotes, from "Excalibur", Merlin has been asked by Arthur to tell him who he will marry. Then, Guenivere gives him something to eat, and he stares at it. Merlin says "Looking at the cake is like looking at the future... until you've tasted it, what do you know? And then of course, it's too late..." (arthur takes a bite) "too late!" This little exchange, seemingly humerous, actually is quite interesting. He seems to be saying that the very act of looking into the future predetermines it from that point onward... and implying that it was not set in stone prior to that. +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at gekko.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From mordru at GEKKO.NET Wed Jun 10 10:05:54 1998 From: mordru at GEKKO.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:05:54 -0400 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" Message-ID: >> iv) Zelazny's Amber handles time travel differently (alternate universes, >> which is a viable possibility based on quantum mechanics) > >at which point does this address time-travel? i've read the entire >series at least six times and remember no time travel. >(except in dreams and visions...) It does deal with different time-speeds in different shadows, but not specific -going back in time-... though in a sense, you could travel into the future (faster than you otherwise could) with this method, as when Corwin recovers on earth to heal quicker than he could've, amber-time, in amber... However, while on Zelazny, there is one of his books that readily addresses this, sort of a cross between time travel and Amber.... "Roadmarks" is a fun read, it suggests roads through time and conditions of them being related to the likelihood of certain events (an almost certain time would have a major superhighway ramp exit from the roads, while an almost impossible time might have a slightly worn footpath in the grass...) The protagonist searches for a time that he was from but is no longer happening, and keeps influencing other nearby times (this is illegal, there are cops on this road) hoping that his time might become more likely.... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at gekko.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From mumford at ONLINE.NO Wed Jun 10 10:16:06 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:16:06 +0200 Subject: Tape Swap Message-ID: > I think I can say with utmost certainty, that nothing on Christian's tape will > overlap with *anybody*. :-) > > Its, err, a challenging 90 minutes. Hey, was the tape supposed to be good? :)) I certainly enjoyed making it! Some of my sources were extremely lo-fi, but if nothing else they add a nice "earthy texture" to ones "listening pleasure" :) Here are the artists on the tape if anyone needs to know: David McCallum Legendary Stardust Cowboy Bedlam Four (The Marvel World of) Icarus Beef Boys The Breakers Jimmy Cross The Novas + plus some spoken bits from various film/radio sources here and there. "The Crusher" by The Novas is pretty well known, I somehow recall wrestler Freddie Blassie singing this (a nightmare!?) and I am sure The Cramps must have covered this too. Indeed ICU did it on the Imperial Pompadours Ersatz album. Ditto for Ledge's "I Took A Trip (On A Space Shuttle)" but ICU covered his original version called "I Took A Trip (On A Gemini Space Craft)". Though Ledge's 'updated' 80s version is on the tape. (on-topic factoid mania!) Though if anyone knows anything about the Beef Boys (no idea where the recording is from, rumored to be Louisiana, carbon dating sometime in the 80s...)... I have no tracklist/info for them. Maybe there are secret Beef Boys fans or members lurking on this list. I'll put the tape card up at http://home.eunet.no/~christmu/boctape.gif Christian "You gotta touch the hand that tickles you to death." - Monster Magnet From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jun 10 10:18:02 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:18:02 +0100 Subject: HW: Song references Message-ID: I've just uploaded a copy to my website, at http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham/hwsongrefs.html - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jun 10 10:30:43 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:30:43 +0100 Subject: HW: Private gig information In-Reply-To: <9439341310061998/A04187/LNMV02/11C653622700*@MHS> Message-ID: I just thought of something about this private gig. If we're paying for it, we can ask Dave to leave Captain Rizz at home! :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jun 10 10:43:47 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:43:47 EDT Subject: HW: Private gig information In-Reply-To: <000b01bd947c$594399e0$b23f63c3@default> Message-ID: > From: Andy Gilham > I just thought of something about this private gig. If we're paying for it, > we can ask Dave to leave Captain Rizz at home! > I've been meaning to ask HW fans about this. Who/what is Capt. Rizz, and why do so many HW fans hate him so much? theo .............. '...Cause it makes me mad, And I get evil as a man can be...' --A.K. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jun 10 11:01:04 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:01:04 +0100 Subject: HW: Private gig information In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > I just thought of something about this private gig. If we're > paying for it, > > we can ask Dave to leave Captain Rizz at home! > > > > I've been meaning to ask HW fans about this. Who/what is Capt. Rizz, > and why do so many HW fans hate him so much? > > > theo > Actually I didn't mind him, but there did seem to be a general feeling that he didn't fit in, and didn't give the long-time HW fan what they wanted from a HW show. - Andy ObTV: Highlights of great Brazil sides, with the Only Ones' "Another Girl, Another Planet" playing. What are the BBC on? mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Wed Jun 10 11:05:51 1998 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:05:51 +0100 Subject: OZrics free gig In-Reply-To: <199806011125.LAA22869@macondo.dmu.ac.uk> Message-ID: I live in Pompe and shall be there - for one because one of my friends (little Al the bassist) plays in Dr Brown :-) I just thought I'd offer sleeping accomodation - unfortunately I don't have any spare beds (well I've got a blow up bed which deflates slowly through the course of a nights sleep) and I don't even have a sofa (just moved in how can you tell) - but if you have your own portable mattresses you are welcome to floor space to save any travelling and allowing a drink or two. I also have troublesome neighbours in that they complain at the slightest bit of noise so any parties afterwards will have to be at low volume, sounds good doesn't it!! Any way if you want to take me up on the offer just email me otherwise I'll hope to see you there - I have my NetHawks T-shirt so you shoudl be able to pick me out in the crowd..(what crowd!?) Cheers Maxine maxine.wesley at port.ac.uk - ignore the Leicester email address... The night shall be filled with music And the cares that infest the day Shall fold their tents like arabs And as silently steal away. H.W. Longfellow Honda VF400 From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Jun 10 11:31:49 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:31:49 -0700 Subject: OFF: Its about time Message-ID: Sprawl>hehehe.. name one single instance in any work of fiction where the act of altering the past was handled properly. the closest i've seen was in an episode of red dwarf, and that was atrocious! How about Torgo's "BOC meet Capt. Kirk" story from a couple years back. T-man worked that one real well. I always thought the various incarnations of Star Trek have handled time travel pretty well. Back to passive lurking goes the Ghost who's been time tripping, froogin' to older bands like Triumph and Y&T. Ghost in the Ruins "Dancing is perpendicular expression of a horizontal desire." OBCD - "Ghost of a Disc" available exclusively from Ted Discs From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jun 10 11:37:17 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:37:17 PDT Subject: HW: Capt. Rizz (was HW: Private gig information) Message-ID: >> > I just thought of something about this private gig. If we're >> paying for it, >> > we can ask Dave to leave Captain Rizz at home! >> > >> >> I've been meaning to ask HW fans about this. Who/what is Capt. Rizz, >> and why do so many HW fans hate him so much? >> > >Actually I didn't mind him, but there did seem to be a general feeling that >he didn't fit in, and didn't give the long-time HW fan what they wanted from >a HW show. > >- Andy > >ObTV: Highlights of great Brazil sides, with the Only Ones' "Another Girl, >Another Planet" playing. What are the BBC on? > Two points - We're still no closer to a definition for Captain Rizz. The BBC have a money and time situation. Too much of both. I know...I work for them. Chris (HoWh) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Jun 10 12:57:48 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (SPRAWL) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:57:48 -0400 Subject: HW: Capt. Rizz (was HW: Private gig information) Message-ID: Horse Whisperer wrote: > Two points - > We're still no closer to a definition for Captain Rizz. > The BBC have a money and time situation. Too much of both. > I know...I work for them. > capt rizz is the front man for the band "capt rizz" he was a friend of alan davey. (capt rizz ex-guitarist is now in davey's bedouin. capt rizz is a funky strawberry who tries to do reggae, but imo is not that good at it. maybe his rap is considered cool overthere, i dunno. here, he comes off square. (not that im into such things, but know people who are.) he's a really nice guy tho. not too bad an opener for hawkwind, i guess. rj > Chris (HoWh) > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Jun 10 13:06:24 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (SPRAWL) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:06:24 -0400 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold wrote: > Ah, but did they or didn't they? I disagree here, they didn't > alter the past, because the entire thing was already in their > past. Not a thing changed in the past of that future we were > shown from before and after they sent Willis to the past. > There present had already taken all of that into account, as it > were. Rather depressingly predestinationist, I suppose... > and i disagree with this. this is exactly what i meant originally. this is a loop, that cannot occur. presumably, the sweaty dr loosed the virus at point a. but that doesnt explain why willis's character recognized events and people. so, that bit must always have been. but time travel was implemented BECAUSE of the virus. so if they had never done the timetravel, dr sweat must have loosed the virus. tell me that the leading lady's role was not changed by timetravel. or the pimp that willis beat to death... the good thing about this movie was that they didnt even approach the subject of people fading out of existence and all. it was simple, and that's why it worked. think i'll go watch it again, now. =) rj > One of my favorite quotes, from "Excalibur", i always liked that bit too. From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Jun 10 13:07:55 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (SPRAWL) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:07:55 -0400 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold wrote: > However, while on Zelazny, there is one of his books that readily > addresses this, sort of a cross between time travel and Amber.... > "Roadmarks" is a fun read, it suggests roads through time and > conditions of them being related to the likelihood of certain > events (an almost certain time would have a major superhighway > ramp exit from the roads, while an almost impossible time might > have a slightly worn footpath in the grass...) > The protagonist searches for a time that he was from but is no > longer happening, and keeps influencing other nearby > times (this is illegal, there are cops on this road) > hoping that his time might become more likely.... yeth, i agree. thith ith a very good BOOK to read. rj From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Jun 10 13:14:08 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (SPRAWL) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:14:08 -0400 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" Message-ID: Kevin Perry wrote: > Sorry - I wasn't meaning to be rude about it. They were more rhetorical > questions than anything else: sugesting (maybe) that the reason it's > (almost) impossible to get a good fictional account of time travel is > because of the paradoxical nature of TT and the linear nature of our own > lives. But that's a bit heavy for a Wednesday. > hehehe.. i didnt take it as rude. just thought you might think i KNEW the proper way to handle time trav. > > > ii) Julian May's Pliocene saga works very excellently and logically > > I'll stick with this one as a good way of hanlding TT. The > pseudo-scientific nature of her whole universe is very well thought out and > plausible. It's the internal consistency that makes it work. i'll have to check this out. all i've read is Hawk of May, and damned if i can remember it. BTW. i thot julian was male? > If you did want to take a logical and pseudo-scientific view of TT in > fiction (which would prove the most consistent way of doing things), I feel > that you'd end up with a very dull story (Julian May aside). true enuff. i mean if youtry to rationalize STNG, you will end up hating the show. "we must have this vaccine. Millions are dying!" damn, use the replicator. Worf needs a new spine. transport him and reassemble him whole. etc etc.... rj > > Kevin Perry > Technical Manager > Wide Multimedia > http://www.wide.co.uk/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jun 10 13:19:36 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:19:36 EDT Subject: HW: Capt. Rizz (was HW: Private gig information) In-Reply-To: <357EBB0C.B4AF2D88@blackboard.com> Message-ID: From: SPRAWL > bedouin. capt rizz is a funky strawberry who tries to do reggae, but What's a funky strawberry? UK slang? theo .............. '...Cause it makes me mad, And I get evil as a man can be...' --A.K. From mordru at GEKKO.NET Wed Jun 10 14:36:12 1998 From: mordru at GEKKO.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:36:12 -0400 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" Message-ID: >and i disagree with this. this is exactly what i meant originally. >this is a loop, that cannot occur. presumably, the sweaty dr loosed the >virus at point a. but that doesnt explain why willis's character >recognized events and people. so, that bit must always have been. but >time travel was implemented BECAUSE of the virus. so if they had never >done the timetravel, dr sweat must have loosed the virus. the reasons aside, there were never any versions of any of these people who existed without the influences from the future... the whole reason Willis ended up in prison was from being messed up witnessing the murder.... At first I thought it was hoaky that the future didn't know about all his messages he left on the answering machine until he left them. But on further reflection, I think that they DID know, they had all the information, they knew exactly what would happen, and released it to Willis in stages so things would play out exactly as they knew they would. +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at gekko.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From fn62 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Jun 10 15:01:40 1998 From: fn62 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Alison Hopkins) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 20:01:40 +0100 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" Message-ID: >true enuff. i mean if youtry to rationalize STNG, you will end up hating >the show. "we must have this vaccine. Millions are dying!" damn, use >the replicator. Worf needs a new spine. transport him and reassemble >him whole. etc etc.... > > You forgot the best ever line.......... "QUICK! Rush that cheese to Sickbay!" Ali From fn62 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Jun 10 14:57:19 1998 From: fn62 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Alison Hopkins) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:57:19 +0100 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" Message-ID: -----Original Message----- >its on the alien four disc. >its an intro to one of the songs. >i've spoken with dave about it, and yes, he is (or was) a total ST nut. >rj > So, if we get a *Trek* guest for the con, he could be a happy bunnie, huh?:) :) Ali From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jun 10 15:04:58 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 20:04:58 +0100 Subject: OFF: Masters of Reality Message-ID: I know there's a few of us going to this on Sunday, so it's time to arrange a meet... I know from experience the Angel is closed on Sundays, so how about meeting in the Prince of Wales, at the junction of Drury Lane and Great Queen Street. It's about 5 minutes from the venue and I've been in there on a Sunday so I'm confident it'll be open! Use http://www.streetmap.co.uk as usual to find it! And, Brazil having beaten Scotland, if Norway beat Morocco and Italy draw with Chile, then the drinks are on me! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From talger at PIPELINE.COM Wed Jun 10 15:09:33 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:09:33 -0400 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" In-Reply-To: <357EBEE0.3ABE8476@blackboard.com> Message-ID: >> > > ii) Julian May's Pliocene saga works very excellently and logically >> >> I'll stick with this one as a good way of hanlding TT. The >> pseudo-scientific nature of her whole universe is very well thought out and >> plausible. It's the internal consistency that makes it work. > >i'll have to check this out. all i've read is Hawk of May, and damned if >i can remember it. >BTW. i thot julian was male? > have to agree on this.... the whole "Pliocene Exile" saga was excellent.. blends SF and elements of Fantasy into a believable story.. and the "Galactic Milieu" Trilogy and linking "Intervention" books between the two were pretty good too, but basically just straight forward SF and yes, JM is a woman.... collaborated on a book with Marion Zimmer Bradley and Andre Norton too....... Ted From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Jun 10 15:23:20 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (SPRAWL) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:23:20 -0400 Subject: HW: Capt. Rizz (was HW: Private gig information) Message-ID: heheh its just a captrizz song... rj Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: > > From: SPRAWL > > bedouin. capt rizz is a funky strawberry who tries to do reggae, but > > What's a funky strawberry? UK slang? > theo > .............. > > '...Cause it makes me mad, > And I get evil as a man can be...' > --A.K. From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Jun 10 23:29:47 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 20:29:47 -0700 Subject: OFF: VARIOUS ARTISTS Message-ID: The latest issue of Hard Roxx (UK) has bits and pieces of interest as follows; Dream Theater European tour dates for June Dream Theater live reviews Savatage album review - Live 94' getting a UK release [9.5/10] Ty Tabor - Moonflower Lane - review of UK release [8/10] Govt Mule - Dose album review {US release] And of course, the reason I bought it - a Ritchie Blackmore interview!! Z -- ====================================================== One is currently shaking ones booty to; ROY HARPER - thedreamsociety ROY HARPER - thedreamsociety Bonus CD ====================================================== E-zine: http://zeitgeist-scot.com/ Record Hunter: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/hunter.html ====================================================== From talger at PIPELINE.COM Wed Jun 10 15:41:44 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:41:44 -0400 Subject: OFF: VARIOUS ARTISTS In-Reply-To: <357F4F2B.7BBA@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: >The latest issue of Hard Roxx (UK) has bits and pieces of interest as follows; > >Dream Theater European tour dates for June >Dream Theater live reviews >Savatage album review - Live 94' getting a UK release [9.5/10] >Ty Tabor - Moonflower Lane - review of UK release [8/10] >Govt Mule - Dose album review {US release] > >And of course, the reason I bought it - a Ritchie Blackmore interview!! > Ty Tabor Rules! Ted From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Wed Jun 10 17:03:10 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David Greenhalgh) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:03:10 +0100 Subject: OZrics free gig Message-ID: Maxine Wesley wrote: > I live in Pompe and shall be there - for one because one of my friends > (little Al the bassist) plays in Dr Brown :-) > > I just thought I'd offer sleeping accomodation - unfortunately I > don't have any spare beds (well I've got a blow up bed which deflates > slowly through the course of a nights sleep) and I don't even have a > sofa (just moved in how can you tell) - but if you have your own > portable mattresses you are welcome to floor space to save any > travelling and allowing a drink or two. I also have troublesome > neighbours in that they complain at the slightest bit of noise so any > parties afterwards will have to be at low volume, sounds good doesn't it!! > > Any way if you want to take me up on the offer just email me > otherwise I'll hope to see you there - I have my NetHawks T-shirt so > you shoudl be able to pick me out in the crowd..(what crowd!?) > > Cheers > > Maxine > maxine.wesley at port.ac.uk - ignore the Leicester email address... > Similar offer applies here, I've got a spare room and a sofa bed if anyone is in need. also two very sharp cats and neighbours to provide the downside! There will be another set of free dates in August in portsmouth, acts haven't been announced yet (that I've seen anyway, have you seen anything, Maxine?) I'll post more when the list is announced. Dave From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Jun 10 18:47:06 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:47:06 -0700 Subject: Tape Trade Review Message-ID: I got a pretty cool tape from Alun Hughes, and although he hasn't sent me all the artists' names yet (I asked him not to), I thought I'd post a review based on what I've heard so far ... Side A "Descent Into The Maelstrom" - Radio Birdman GREAT song to kick off a boc-l tape with! Totally driving, great atmosphere, and lyrics that are the most BOC-ish of anything RB ever wrote. "Phototropic" - ? A cool sorta subdued psychedelic guitar piece and lyrics about staring too hard into the light? The chords remind me of the Alchemysts' "Blind Side" and My Dad Is Dead's "Cool Rain" "Singapore-Lore" - ? Nice synth-heavy instrumental with a slight eastern feel (appropriate for the name). Probably the mellowest track on the tape. "Boats" - ? Ooh! Did someone put Wheaties in Glen Danzig's steroid breakfast? Dunno who the singer is, but he's a real throaty howler. Good blues- and metal-tinged heavy sludgerock. "These Old Bones" - ? Another mellower tune. A folkish male/female duet, very nice sounding. It's not Rose McDowell (sp?) on the female voice, is it? "Day To Ride" - New Christs Thanks Alun! I hadn't picked up the latest New Christs album yet, so it was a real pleasure to hear this track - from the first notes, I knew it HAD to be Radio Birdman related, and Rob Younger's voice is unmistakeable. Great driving rock and roll, just as you'd expect from the NC's. "Hunter's Moon" - Thin White Rope A live version from the same album as their cover of "Silver Machine". Guy Keyser's younger brother, John, is a friend/neighbor, whose housemates I've been in bands with and frequently jam with (in fact, said housemates are on one of the tracks on the boc-l trade tape that I made). "Wolf Moon" - Type O Negative Didn't know this band 'cause this track is pretty Goth, which just is not my cup of tea (San Francisco has a lot of goths, and the only local subculture that invites a higher level of abuse are the Grateful Dead hippies), although I've been known to (when no one else is around), hook up a CV pedal to control a noise filter on one of my synths and make spooky "wind" noises while playing the 3 notes of "Bela Lugosi's Dead" on bass. ;^) "Zodiac" - Inner City Unit Everyone should buy the 'Complete Works' CD-R from Steve Pond. 'Nuff sed. "Sputnik" - Roky Erickson An approprate choice for a boc-l tape, since this is one of Roky's most sci-fi songs. Not quite sure what he means by "...your theory of Alien as Creator," but it sounds cool! "Blitzkreig Bop" - The Ramones Live version from "It's Alive". Simply one of the best and most important bands ever. Saved my life when I was 11 (and had to hide my affection for them from my Styx-lovin' friends). 1-2-3-4 ... Hey! Ho! Let's Go! Side B "I Come Cheap" - ? Is this an Australian band? It sounds a lot like some of those post-Birdman Aussie groups like the Hitmen or Died Pretty. Don't recognize it, but it rocks. "Tomorrow Belongs to Nobody" - ? The token metal song on the tape? I'm not a big metalhead, but this is cool - real crunchy, and a cool tremelo effect sequence during the last guitar break, instead of the wanky solo that I was expecting. "Archangel's Thunderbird" - Amon D??l II >From their 'Yeti' double LP, one of my all-time favorite psych records (and thanks to the list member who scored me a vinyl copy a few years ago!). Dave Anderson on bass. This song totally rules; if you haven't heard it, you're missing out! "A Child's Christmas In Wales" - John Cale The lead-off track for his great 'Paris 1919' album, possibly his most "pop" or "polished" record ever. I've been a huge Velvet Underground fan for nearly as long as I've been a huge Hawkwind fan, so it's nice to have this song here. "Tattoo'd Lady" - ? Can you say BIG BAD BOOGIE? (that's a compliment BTW 'cause this rocks) "Looking At You" - New Race Lots of Rob Younger vocals on this tape and I ain't complaining! I will complain that this isn't the best version of this song (although it smokes all over the MC5's redone version on 'Back in the USA'). The original fuzz&feedback-drenched single version has been re-issued as the title track of a 10"EP, so you don't need to find an original, impossibly-rare 7". Everyone should own it 'cause it's the ULTIMATE MC5 recording, and one of the greatest rock moments EVER. "I Wanna Be Your Dog" - The Stooges Another more-than-classic tune. This is what ROCK'N'ROLL is all about. "Takin' LSD" - The Deviants A tip of the hat to Alun for using the live version from the 'Human Garbage' LP, which is far superior to the Pink Fairies version of 'Kill 'Em And Eat 'Em". Brother Wayne Kramer on twin-guitar assault duty with Larry Wallis - undoubtedly a killer combo. "I Dunno" - ? Who's this? Sort of Pub Rock-ish, but definitely with a punkish sneer. "Sonnenschein" - Harmonia And we finish with a bit of relaxation from this krautrock supergroup; this is what synthesizer music (electronica?) should sound like. And what's with the "mystery bonus track" with lots of thudding drumming that, after brief xylophone? and synthesizer? breaks goes into a bit of rocking before the tape cuts out. Not a bad fragment at all! There you go - sorry this was so long, but I hope that it will encourage others to do the same for the tapes they received! So Andy - when do we receive our instructions for the next person to send the tapes to? -Doug ceres at sirius.com From capcloud at PALMNET.NET Wed Jun 10 23:22:18 1998 From: capcloud at PALMNET.NET (Captain Cloud) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:22:18 -0400 Subject: HW: The Elf and the Hawk Message-ID: In the recent issue of Crohinga Well is an advert from Italian label Black Widow. These are the folks that released the latest CDs from Archectural Metaphor and ST37. Anyway, they say that they are going to release something named 'The Elf & The Hawk', which is a reissue of Hawkfan 12 and Alan Davey's 'The Elf' 2x7", plus a bonus track. Available on LP and CD. No statement as to when this miracle will occur. As soon as anybody spots this one, YELL LOUDLY! (of course) :-) -- Captain Cloud capcloud at palmnet.net http://www5.palmnet.net/~capcloud/ From cando at HIGHFIBER.COM Thu Jun 11 01:14:14 1998 From: cando at HIGHFIBER.COM (James Coburn) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:14:14 -0600 Subject: OFF: dancing (was It's about time) Message-ID: You wrote: >Ghost in the Ruins > >"Dancing is perpendicular expression of a horizontal desire." Yes, dancing probably is that. The way I heard it I was: "Dancing is a vertical expression of a horizontal intention." Seems to flow better. And then something that might come from the mouth of Mr. Peter Wolf would be that making love is "the no-pants dance of romance." James Coburn Albuquerque, NM From a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK Thu Jun 11 04:09:37 1998 From: a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK (Alun Hughes) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:09:37 +0100 Subject: Tape Trade Review Message-ID: Thanks Doug! I thought I'd been fairly eclectic in making this take up (though not very obscure) and it's amazing what he recognised - from Harmonia to the Ramones through John Cale! Only one missed guess, and that's understandable .... >>> Doug Pearson 10/06/98 23:47 >>> >I got a pretty cool tape from Alun Hughes, and although he hasn't sent me >all the artists' names yet (I asked him not to), I thought I'd post a >review based on what I've heard so far ... >Side A >"Descent Into The Maelstrom" - Radio Birdman >GREAT song to kick off a boc-l tape with! Totally driving, great >atmosphere, and lyrics that are the most BOC-ish of anything RB ever wrote. >"Phototropic" - ? >A cool sorta subdued psychedelic guitar piece and lyrics about staring too >hard into the light? The chords remind me of the Alchemysts' "Blind Side" >and My Dad Is Dead's "Cool Rain" Kyuss, from _And the Circus Leaves Town_. Not perhaps totally typical of them, but probably my favourite. >"Singapore-Lore" - ? >Nice synth-heavy instrumental with a slight eastern feel (appropriate for >the name). Probably the mellowest track on the tape. Michael Rother, from _Esperanza_. Easy to sneer these days at Michael's "easy-listening" output but I like it. >"Boats" - ? >Ooh! Did someone put Wheaties in Glen Danzig's steroid breakfast? Dunno >who the singer is, but he's a real throaty howler. Good blues- and >metal-tinged heavy sludgerock. Ha! Entombed, from _To Ride, Shoot Straight and Speak the Truth_. Death metal with tunes and even a blues tinge now and then. >"These Old Bones" - ? >Another mellower tune. A folkish male/female duet, very nice sounding. >It's not Rose McDowell (sp?) on the female voice, is it? Sky Cries Mary, from _This Timeless Turning_. >"Day To Ride" - New Christs >Thanks Alun! I hadn't picked up the latest New Christs album yet, so it >was a real pleasure to hear this track - from the first notes, I knew it >HAD to be Radio Birdman related, and Rob Younger's voice is unmistakeable. >Great driving rock and roll, just as you'd expect from the NC's. The wrong guess, though understandable: it's the Deniz Tek Group, from _Outside_. A great album! >"Hunter's Moon" - Thin White Rope >A live version from the same album as their cover of "Silver Machine". Guy >Keyser's younger brother, John, is a friend/neighbor, whose housemates I've >been in bands with and frequently jam with (in fact, said housemates are on >one of the tracks on the boc-l trade tape that I made). Great driving track ... >"Wolf Moon" - Type O Negative >Didn't know this band 'cause this track is pretty Goth, which just is not >my cup of tea (San Francisco has a lot of goths, and the only local >subculture that invites a higher level of abuse are the Grateful Dead >hippies), although I've been known to (when no one else is around), hook up >a CV pedal to control a noise filter on one of my synths and make spooky >"wind" noises while playing the 3 notes of "Bela Lugosi's Dead" on bass. ;^) >"Zodiac" - Inner City Unit >Everyone should buy the 'Complete Works' CD-R from Steve Pond. 'Nuff sed. >"Sputnik" - Roky Erickson >An approprate choice for a boc-l tape, since this is one of Roky's most >sci-fi songs. Not quite sure what he means by "...your theory of Alien as >Creator," but it sounds cool! >"Blitzkreig Bop" - The Ramones >Live version from "It's Alive". Simply one of the best and most important >bands ever. Saved my life when I was 11 (and had to hide my affection for >them from my Styx-lovin' friends). 1-2-3-4 ... Hey! Ho! Let's Go! Side B >"I Come Cheap" - ? >Is this an Australian band? It sounds a lot like some of those >post-Birdman Aussie groups like the Hitmen or Died Pretty. Don't recognize >it, but it rocks. Now, *this* is the New Christs, from _Lower Yourself_. >"Tomorrow Belongs to Nobody" - ? >The token metal song on the tape? I'm not a big metalhead, but this is >cool - real crunchy, and a cool tremelo effect sequence during the last >guitar break, instead of the wanky solo that I was expecting. Definitely metal - Carcass, from _Swansong_. >"Archangel's Thunderbird" - Amon D||l II >>From their 'Yeti' double LP, one of my all-time favorite psych records (and >thanks to the list member who scored me a vinyl copy a few years ago!). >Dave Anderson on bass. This song totally rules; if you haven't heard it, >you're missing out! >"A Child's Christmas In Wales" - John Cale >The lead-off track for his great 'Paris 1919' album, possibly his most >"pop" or "polished" record ever. I've been a huge Velvet Underground fan >for nearly as long as I've been a huge Hawkwind fan, so it's nice to have >this song here. >"Tattoo'd Lady" - ? >Can you say BIG BAD BOOGIE? (that's a compliment BTW 'cause this rocks) Rory Gallagher! This one's from the "official bootlegs" - _G-Men Bootleg Series Vol 1_ - it's not the best version but it's the only one I have on CD and I can't tape from (or even play) my vinyl at the moment. I'm waiting for all the Rory remasters! >"Looking At You" - New Race >Lots of Rob Younger vocals on this tape and I ain't complaining! I will >complain that this isn't the best version of this song (although it smokes >all over the MC5's redone version on 'Back in the USA'). The original >fuzz&feedback-drenched single version has been re-issued as the title track >of a 10"EP, so you don't need to find an original, impossibly-rare 7". >Everyone should own it 'cause it's the ULTIMATE MC5 recording, and one of >the greatest rock moments EVER. >"I Wanna Be Your Dog" - The Stooges >Another more-than-classic tune. This is what ROCK'N'ROLL is all about. >"Takin' LSD" - The Deviants >A tip of the hat to Alun for using the live version from the 'Human >Garbage' LP, which is far superior to the Pink Fairies version of 'Kill 'Em >And Eat 'Em". Brother Wayne Kramer on twin-guitar assault duty with Larry >Wallis - undoubtedly a killer combo. Actually I quite like the PF's version, but I agree, it's not as good. >"I Dunno" - ? >Who's this? Sort of Pub Rock-ish, but definitely with a punkish sneer. Georgia Satellites. This is from the "Best of" album (_Let it Rock_) but was originally on _In the Land of Salvation and Sin__ I think. Very irritating, the Satellites, for every good track there's two bummers. >"Sonnenschein" - Harmonia >And we finish with a bit of relaxation from this krautrock supergroup; this >is what synthesizer music (electronica?) should sound like. >And what's with the "mystery bonus track" with lots of thudding drumming >that, after brief xylophone? and synthesizer? breaks goes into a bit of >rocking before the tape cuts out. Not a bad fragment at all! Now I seem to remember trying to fit the Pink Fairies "Snake" onto the tape but it was too long ... not sure about that though. It's the version from _Mandies and Mescaline Down at Uncle Harry's_ which is BBC sessions plus the Glastonbury Fayre stuff, fine if you don't mind most of it being *two* versions of "Uncle Harry's Last Freak Out". >There you go - sorry this was so long, but I hope that it will encourage >others to do the same for the tapes they received! So Andy - when do we >receive our instructions for the next person to send the tapes to? Yeah, Andy, do we simply send them along or do we rerandomise? Alun > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Jun 11 04:36:11 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:36:11 +0100 Subject: UK only: spare tickets for Walter Trout tonight In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:09:36 EDT." <9806101809.AA17831@beaver.mbb.wesleyan.edu> Message-ID: UK boc-l / irockers Due to various circumstances, I have 2 spare tickets for Walter Trout, who's playing *tonight* at the Norwich Waterfront. Anybody who's interested in them should email or ring me on 01473648220. Cost is 8.50 and the doors are 7.30 pm. cheers, Tim From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Jun 11 05:09:16 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:09:16 +0100 Subject: Tape Trade Review Message-ID: Doug Pearson wrote: > I got a pretty cool tape from Alun Hughes, and although he hasn't sent > me > all the artists' names yet (I asked him not to), I thought I'd post a > review based on what I've heard so far ... > > > > "Descent Into The Maelstrom" - Radio Birdman > > "Day To Ride" - New Christs > > "Sputnik" - Roky Erickson Hey - is Alun a personal friend of Mr Gilham? :-) > There you go - sorry this was so long, but I hope that it will > encourage > others to do the same for the tapes they received! So Andy - when do > we > receive our instructions for the next person to send the tapes to? > > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com Is this the idea? Or do we pass it on to whoever we think might like it? (I'm copying mine first, before I go out and try to find a load of RB and New Cs stuff down Gumbi Records (Whitechapel, Tel 0171 247 5757 quick plug, ask for Tog or Alec and say I sent you...) I'll try and make Sunday, although I'm expecting to be extremely shagged out... :-) Cheers, Rich. ** Beer Powered Noise Frenzy now at http://freespace.virgin.net/steve.potz/index.html ** From arjanh at CS.VU.NL Thu Jun 11 05:18:34 1998 From: arjanh at CS.VU.NL (Hulsebos A) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:18:34 +0200 Subject: Tape Trade Review In-Reply-To: Rich Lockwood "Re: Tape Trade Review" (Jun 11, 10:09am) Message-ID: On Jun 11, 10:09am, Rich Lockwood wrote: >Doug Pearson wrote: >> others to do the same for the tapes they received! So Andy - when do >> we >> receive our instructions for the next person to send the tapes to? >Is this the idea? Or do we pass it on to whoever we think might like >it? (I'm copying mine first, I thought you'd just send it to the one you sent yours to... and just stop when you got yours back. With 27 participants (if I remember correctly), that's doable, and will keep us busy for a while.... Cheers, Arjan H -- Disclaimer? Whaddayamean, disclaimer? This is 1998! Arjan Hulsebos -- arjanh at cs.vu.nl For more info (last updated June 5,1998): finger -l arjanh at top.cs.vu.nl From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jun 11 06:39:16 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:39:16 +0100 Subject: Tape Trade Review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > >There you go - sorry this was so long, but I hope that it will encourage > >others to do the same for the tapes they received! So Andy - when do we > >receive our instructions for the next person to send the tapes to? > > Yeah, Andy, do we simply send them along or do we rerandomise? I had in mind just send them to the same person as you sent your own to - I know it means some are stuck with always posting overseas and some not, but it was random! If I re-randomise then someone's bound to get their own tape back fairly soon! I nearly put the _Irish Tour '74_ version of Rory Gallagher's _Tattoo's Lady_ on my tape. Bloody good album! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Jun 11 06:39:33 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:39:33 +0100 Subject: Tape Swap In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:16:06 +0200." <199806101417.QAA26620@online.no> Message-ID: > > Its, err, a challenging 90 minutes. > > Hey, was the tape supposed to be good? :)) I certainly enjoyed making it! > Some of my sources were extremely lo-fi, but if nothing else they add a > nice "earthy texture" to ones "listening pleasure" :) Hmm. :-) > Here are the artists on the tape if anyone needs to know: > > David McCallum This was pretty good actually. I was expecting him to break into "Open Channel D - calling Napoleon Solo" though ! > Legendary Stardust Cowboy Sorry, this guy didn't float my boat one iota. > Bedlam Four > (The Marvel World of) Icarus > Beef Boys This was all rather intriguing. > The Breakers Surf Tragedy ? Not bad. > Jimmy Cross "That's when we met the leader of the pack!" Most amusing. Yes, a rather eclectic mix Christian. Full marks for obscurity & invention :) Tim From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jun 11 07:34:44 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:34:44 +0100 Subject: Tape Trade Review In-Reply-To: <357F9E74.E3232BDB@geocities.com> Message-ID: > > "Descent Into The Maelstrom" - Radio Birdman > > > > "Day To Ride" - New Christs > > > > "Sputnik" - Roky Erickson > > Hey - is Alun a personal friend of Mr Gilham? :-) > Yeah, we go way back. How'd you guess? :) > Is this the idea? Or do we pass it on to whoever we think might like > it? (I'm copying mine first, Nothing's compulsory, I expect the system to break down at some point as someone moves address or whatever anyway. But I think it'd be nice to try and keep it going as long as poss. I'll pass Steven's tape on to you some time after I receive it! :)) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jun 11 08:52:40 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:52:40 -0400 Subject: BOC: EB during "Godzilla" Message-ID: > Anyone heard any good EB-isms on 'zilla? The funniest one I saw was on a tape of a St. Louis gig in 1988, when the guy in charge of the sound effects pushed the wrong button, and instead of hearing those "giant footsteps", you heard the sound of a motorcycle revving up (which they used prior to playing "Born to be Wild"). After containin his laughter, Bloom remarked something to the effect of "It's a lizard on a Harley!" John From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Jun 11 09:18:00 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 06:18:00 -0700 Subject: OFF: Reading Posts? Message-ID: The latest issue of Hard Roxx (UK) has bits and pieces of interest as follows; > >Dream Theater European tour dates for June >Dream Theater live reviews >Savatage album review - Live 94' getting a UK release [9.5/10] >Ty Tabor - Moonflower Lane - review of UK release [8/10] >Govt Mule - Dose album review {US release] > >And of course, the reason I bought it - a Ritchie Blackmore interview!! > >Ty Tabor Rules! >Ted Sounds like someone has been reading our posts Ted. Ty indeed rules, what a musician. By the by Savatage Japan Live 94 is supposed to be released Stateside in the near future. Atlantic is also looking at releasing another Live Sav disc (available only in Europe and Japan) called Ghost in the Ruins (named in my honor of course). Features the late great Criss Oliva on guitar. This may be a two disc set in the US. I bring this up only to further emphasize what a great band this is. Since they are bigger in the Europe/Asia their records hit the streets overseas and then the US. Difference being bonus tracks usually found on import discs are included on the US releases. 'Bout time us Yankees got a little consideration from the home bands. L8er Ghost in the Ruins OBAwesome Track - Fire in the Head, The Tea Party From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Thu Jun 11 09:21:02 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:21:02 -0400 Subject: Songs on the tape for Arjan Message-ID: The mail problem hasn't been fixed yet, so I'll try not to waste too much list bandwidth and give you the rest of the band names here. >Your memory is still pretty good. By now, I couldn't remember 50% of what >I put on the tape, and you only missed three: >-Seven Laws of Woo Praxis (Bootsy Collins, Bernie Worrell, Buckethead, produced by Bill Laswell) >-Golden Gates Congo Norvelle >-Jerry Was a Race Car Driver Primus (their 1st "big" hit back in '91) >Just a remark: I _think_ it's Wienerschnitzel, by the Descendents. The CD lists it as "Weinerschnitzel." Whether that's correct spelling or not, I'm not sure. (I took Spanish in school.) Brian obCD> The Reverend Horton Heat "The Full-Custom Gospel Sounds Of" From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Jun 11 11:26:17 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:26:17 +0100 Subject: Tape Trade Review In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:09:16 BST." <357F9E74.E3232BDB@geocities.com> Message-ID: > > "Descent Into The Maelstrom" - Radio Birdman > > > > "Day To Ride" - New Christs > > > > "Sputnik" - Roky Erickson > > Hey - is Alun a personal friend of Mr Gilham? :-) I think Aussie bands will win hands down in the contest for most chosen in the tape swap, no small part of that due to Mr Gilham's reccommendations for my entry. My package also contains Radio Birdman, New Christs, The Angels..., not to mention other favourites - Roky Erikson, Thin White Rope & Kyuss. cheers, Tim From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu Jun 11 12:00:26 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:00:26 +0200 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" Message-ID: > >its on the alien four disc. > >its an intro to one of the songs. > >i've spoken with dave about it, and yes, he is (or was) a total ST nut. > >rj > > > > > So, if we get a *Trek* guest for the con, he could be a happy bunnie, huh?:) > :) > > Ali > So if only we could get Bill Shatner to stand in for the late Bob Calvert... we'd have one hell of a con.... "HEY! Mr... Tamboureeen Man!? Mr. Tamborine MAAAAAANN!!!!!!" vs. "I... WOULD have liked you... TO HAVE BEEN DEEP FROZEN TOO!!! yet - WAITING! Still. As fresh.... in your FLESH!! FOR MY REEEETURN TO EEEEEARRRGTTTHRGH!!!" Shatner could do a CD of HW covers sold at the con... we could call it "The Brainstormed Man" or something. Then spike Shatner's Evian water with LSD before he goes onstage as Capt. Kirk. Lemmy and Ron could be Klingons (Dave can be Khan, Nik a Ferengi(?)). A violently freaked out Shatner gets restrained by the Klingons during the "Sonic Attack" encore (as read by Nik)- Erm. just aimless pondering. I'd definetly go to see that anyway. Chr. ObDamn: missing Douglas Adams signing - I would have gotten ye olde Infocom Hitchiker's Guide set signed :( From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 11 13:53:24 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:53:24 +0000 Subject: OFF: Master of Reality? Message-ID: Er, I keep hearing conflicting reports about whether the London gig is on or not. Has anyone else heard anything, or know more? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Jun 11 20:55:19 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:55:19 -0700 Subject: HW: The Elf and the Hawk Message-ID: I don't know when or how but if you want to harangue the record label, Black Widow can be telephoned or faxed on 0039 236 1708. However, bear in mind they're an Italian based company. And for anyone who's interested their most recent release is Black Widow IV (the band whom the label were named after) Altogether now, "Come come come to the Sabbath, come to the Sabbath, Satans there!" Z Captain Cloud wrote: > > In the recent issue of Crohinga Well is an advert from Italian > label Black Widow. These are the folks that released the latest > CDs from Archectural Metaphor and ST37. > > Anyway, they say that they are going to release something named > 'The Elf & The Hawk', which is a reissue of Hawkfan 12 and Alan > Davey's 'The Elf' 2x7", plus a bonus track. Available on LP and > CD. No statement as to when this miracle will occur. > > As soon as anybody spots this one, YELL LOUDLY! (of course) :-) > -- > Captain Cloud > capcloud at palmnet.net > http://www5.palmnet.net/~capcloud/ -- ====================================================== One is currently shaking ones booty to; ROY HARPER - thedreamsociety ROY HARPER - thedreamsociety Bonus CD ====================================================== E-zine: http://zeitgeist-scot.com/ Record Hunter: http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/hunter.html ====================================================== From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jun 11 13:06:17 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:06:17 +0100 Subject: Master of Reality? In-Reply-To: <1407578.3106576404@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: I'll check with the venue tomorrow and post what I find out. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Carl Edlund Anderson > Sent: 11 June 1998 18:53 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: OFF: Master of Reality? > > > Er, I keep hearing conflicting reports about whether the London > gig is on or not. Has anyone else heard anything, or know more? > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic > St. John's College, University of Cambridge > mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk > http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ > From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 11 13:50:10 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:50:10 +0100 Subject: BOC: "No-Zilla" In-Reply-To: Christian000Mumford's message of Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:00:26 +0200 Message-ID: Heh! Can I take the filter header off this one and transfer it to the Hawkwind side of the list - or do most folk read all messages anyhow! ta jill Christian000Mumford writes: > > >its on the alien four disc. > > >its an intro to one of the songs. > > >i've spoken with dave about it, and yes, he is (or was) a total ST nut. > > >rj > > > > > > > > > So, if we get a *Trek* guest for the con, he could be a happy bunnie, > huh?:) > > :) > > > > Ali > > > > So if only we could get Bill Shatner to stand in for the late Bob > Calvert... we'd have one hell of a con.... > > "HEY! Mr... Tamboureeen Man!? Mr. Tamborine MAAAAAANN!!!!!!" > > vs. > > "I... WOULD have liked you... TO HAVE BEEN DEEP FROZEN TOO!!! yet - > WAITING! Still. As fresh.... in your FLESH!! FOR MY REEEETURN TO > EEEEEARRRGTTTHRGH!!!" > > Shatner could do a CD of HW covers sold at the con... we could call it "The > Brainstormed Man" or something. Then spike Shatner's Evian water with LSD > before he goes onstage as Capt. Kirk. Lemmy and Ron could be Klingons (Dave > can be Khan, Nik a Ferengi(?)). A violently freaked out Shatner gets > restrained by the Klingons during the "Sonic Attack" encore (as read by > Nik)- > > Erm. just aimless pondering. I'd definetly go to see that anyway. > Chr. > > ObDamn: missing Douglas Adams signing - I would have gotten ye olde Infocom > Hitchiker's Guide set signed :( obvinyl> William S. Burroughs "Spare Ass Annie". I thought Velvet Underground were strange but this guy..... ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Thu Jun 11 13:58:53 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:58:53 +0100 Subject: OT: Bedouin Message-ID: Walked into HMV last Saturday and they had Alan Davey's Bedouin album. A lot better in my opinion than Captured Rotation (no Ron Tree for a start) with some excellent Arabic instrumentals and some very flash guitar work at times. Well worth getting. Kevin Perry Technical Manager Wide Multimedia http://www.wide.co.uk/ From talger at PIPELINE.COM Thu Jun 11 14:30:12 1998 From: talger at PIPELINE.COM (Ted) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:30:12 -0400 Subject: HW: Co stuff (was BOC: "No-Zilla") In-Reply-To: <199806111601.SAA14753@online.no> Message-ID: I think you guys have wandered back into that "other" BOC-L space now ;-) wouldn't want the other HW fans to miss this >> >its on the alien four disc. >> >its an intro to one of the songs. >> >i've spoken with dave about it, and yes, he is (or was) a total ST nut. >> >rj >> > >> >> >> So, if we get a *Trek* guest for the con, he could be a happy bunnie, >huh?:) >> :) >> >> Ali >> > >So if only we could get Bill Shatner to stand in for the late Bob >Calvert... we'd have one hell of a con.... > >"HEY! Mr... Tamboureeen Man!? Mr. Tamborine MAAAAAANN!!!!!!" > >vs. > >"I... WOULD have liked you... TO HAVE BEEN DEEP FROZEN TOO!!! yet - >WAITING! Still. As fresh.... in your FLESH!! FOR MY REEEETURN TO >EEEEEARRRGTTTHRGH!!!" > >Shatner could do a CD of HW covers sold at the con... we could call it "The >Brainstormed Man" or something. Then spike Shatner's Evian water with LSD >before he goes onstage as Capt. Kirk. Lemmy and Ron could be Klingons (Dave >can be Khan, Nik a Ferengi(?)). A violently freaked out Shatner gets >restrained by the Klingons during the "Sonic Attack" encore (as read by >Nik)- > >Erm. just aimless pondering. I'd definetly go to see that anyway. >Chr. > >ObDamn: missing Douglas Adams signing - I would have gotten ye olde Infocom >Hitchiker's Guide set signed :( Ted From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Jun 11 15:55:57 1998 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 15:55:57 EDT Subject: BOC: Wordsworth? Message-ID: Hi. I was reading Wordsworth's poem "Elegiac Stanzas" yesterday for my Wordsworth class--and came across this phrase: "The light that never was" I don't have the book in front of me now, but if anyone would like more context, let me know, and I'll follow up... Charlie From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Jun 11 16:26:51 1998 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:26:51 EDT Subject: HW: CDs for Sale Message-ID: Awhile ago, I posted a note here about a bunch of Griffin CDs I'd picked up, and while initially all were claimed, a few people didn't follow up. I still have these: Undisclosed Files $5 Stonehenge/DNP-TIH $5 CotBS $5 Charlie From mpower at FCMC.COM Thu Jun 11 22:13:16 1998 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:13:16 -0400 Subject: OFF: NYC SpaceRock Alert! BORN to GO play Lion's Den, June 23rd 8pm Message-ID: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: info: BORN to GO / Marc Power 16 South Avenue West #219 Cranford, NJ 07016 tel: (212) 898 2946 email: mpower at fcmc.com web: SpaceRock ROBOTS run RAMPANT in New York City --------------------------------------------- YOU and your clones, doppelgangers, machine servitors and compadres are invited to this Sonic Spacefest Party, to be held at: THE LIONS DEN 8pm Tuesday 23rd June 1998 214 Sullivan Street, NYC, NY 10012 (212) 477 2782 For another LIVE performance of wild SpaceRock tribe B0RN to G0 impaled in the viscera of New York Cities very own alien grotto: Greenwich Village. Let us be your Opiate of Choice. What manner of band is this? by chance they found a book from the far future, a manual of instruction in developing the innate PSI powers. Did they offer it for sale to the CIA? Did they pass it immediately to the Library of Congress? well actually, they used it to write a song, 'Touch the OVERMIND' - the CIA are still trying to steal the demo tapes. B0RN to G0 will also be performing the mysterious anthem, 'kill -9', perhaps *someone* will know what it means? The environmentally sensitive will appreciate 'Wrecking the Green Machine' (funnily enough, a song *not* about Robots), where Gaia's ills are well-delineated and the cause determined to be....you and me, baby. Former living human and SpaceRock innovator Robert Calvert will have his life and work celebrated in the song, 'Radio Calvert', debuted at Strange Daze 97, the USA's first SpaceRock festival. Sign up now for Strange Daze 98 audience participation! yes, we shall be there, in the idyllic countryside, on the 14th, 15th and 16th of August, along with many other phenomenal SpaceRock bands, doing our part to establish SpaceRock as a viable genre in the USA. Details - Come! Join in the Robot Revolution, but don't underestimate the power of 'Robots on the Rise', as they modify their own programming, ditch the outmoded Laws of Robotics, and redefine their role in society, expressing a fervent contempt for their human oppressors, unmatched since the French revolution, creating carnage in the downtown streets as they rally to the banner of their leader, 'Mad Droid'. You too could have the catchy chorus of 'Propulsion' cycling inside your mind with a stately grace reminiscent of the smooth rotation of the space station in Clarke's 2001 - A Space Odyssey. Discover the secrets concealed within the cryptic writings of Michel Du Nostradame, and his foreknowledge of the Year 2000 bug with the song, 'Millennium Crash'. Yes, boys and girls, would you rather have intimate relations with the many-antennaed Pink Odlark of Arcturus Prime, or see B0RN to G0? Fortunately, you don't have that choice. Experience B0RN to G0 and have your Consciousness Expanded. Recall Axiom 2 of the SpaceRock Manifesto - "AWARENESS, Once Expanded beyond a certain point, will never shrink back to its former boundaries" Listen to what the critics say: "This band really score with Alien Babes", Captain James Tiberius Kirk. "Perhaps we could discuss this?", Jean-Luc Picard. "This is the one thing you can be sure of", Werner Heisenberg. "I demand a rematch!", Garry Kasparov. "The best bang since the big one", Eccentrica Galumbits. "This is NOT Music", NME - (of course not, its SpaceRock you Idiot!) "Huh, Huh huh, He said 'SpaceRock' Butthead", Beavis. "Yes, most appropiate", Dave Brock of HAWKWIND. Be there or lose your chance at Quantum Immortality. And the Gods uttered, "Let there be SpaceRock." And lo, there was SpaceRock, and it was Good. Marc Power (B0RNtoG0) -- SpaceRock Central - featuring the extraordinary music of B0RN to G0 and Alien Planetscapes - Strange Daze 98 SpaceRock Festival - "I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it." From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Thu Jun 11 22:37:11 1998 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:37:11 +1000 Subject: BOC: HF Revisited (postscript) Message-ID: Well, after a week in the wilderness, excommunicated by the SPC listserv, I'm finally back on boc-l. (Thanks for your help Ben) It seems the second of two posts I sent last week didn't get distributed (Thanks for letting me know Troy), but I did want to clear up a small inaccuracy in the first. >Except that *LfM* has an intro that sounds like *Shooting Shark* at 16rpm. I actually meant *CGLoD* and NOT *LfM*. I'm still thrashing this CD and it sounds better every time. I like subtlety in music, even heavy rock/metal - a single well chosen note in a solo, gems hidden in the mix, minor to major (or major to minor) key changes, and so on - and HF has lots of this kind of subtlety. Pete. (I guess I should go back and check what has been said about HF already) ObCD: Blue Nile *Peace at Last* - mellowness to the EXTREME ;) *************************************************************************** Peter Sondergeld Email. p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "I'm no stranger to hard work - more of a nodding acquaintance." - D.G. Harris **************************************** From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Jun 12 05:32:34 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:32:34 +0100 Subject: OFF: Masters of Reality? In-Reply-To: <1407578.3106576404@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: I just rang the LA2 box office, apparently it was in doubt at one stage but is now definitely ON. That it was in doubt at all suggests it might be worth another call before setting off from long distance, though. If anyone's still worried, the number if 0171 434 0403. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Carl Edlund Anderson > Sent: 11 June 1998 18:53 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: OFF: Master of Reality? > > > Er, I keep hearing conflicting reports about whether the London > gig is on or not. Has anyone else heard anything, or know more? > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic > St. John's College, University of Cambridge > mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk > http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ > From mumford at ONLINE.NO Fri Jun 12 08:41:14 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 14:41:14 +0200 Subject: HW: Con stuff (was BOC: "No-Zilla") Message-ID: Ted writes: > I think you guys have wandered back into that > "other" BOC-L space now ;-) > > wouldn't want the other HW fans to miss this > jill writes: > Heh! Can I take the filter header off this one and transfer it to the > Hawkwind side of the list - or do most folk read all messages anyhow! > !!! I ought to break out the Photoshop cloning tool and the Power Goo :-) Actually, a Trek themed HW gig would gain HW ALOT of new fans. JUST IMAGINE! (don't wear the coke bottle bottom glasses in front of the lasers, don't pogo with the plastic Spock ears on, you could poke your someone's eye out (unless they already too are heavily impaired from watching too much bad TV)). The only downside is that future HW shows will have to be scheduled around X-Files/Trek/Babylon 5 on TV. This is starting to sound like your average RUSH tour already ;^) ;^) ;^) Chr. (very spiteful today) From mumford at ONLINE.NO Fri Jun 12 08:43:17 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 14:43:17 +0200 Subject: Tape Swap Message-ID: > > David McCallum > > This was pretty good actually. Isn't it??? Brilliantly infectous, groovy etc. Teeters tastefully between some serious tongue in cheek and some very heavy shit :) I was expecting him to break into "Open Channel > D - calling Napoleon Solo" though ! Thats the name of the CD ;) McCallum recorded a couple of albums and singles in the mid 60s and its sometimes quite good. There are a few frightening easy listening covers there too, but "Communication" is the best tune (and an original), also a hit in '66. Unlike the crew of the Enterprise, the man from UNCLE was multi-talented ;-) > > Legendary Stardust Cowboy > > Sorry, this guy didn't float my boat one iota. Hehe. So you didn't even like the jungle sounds? The rebel yell or Comanche war whoop?? Eh? I guess I'm a big fan of his :) Interestingly he's the source for David Bowie's (Ziggy) Stardust name. Comparable to a Syd Barrett of the US roots/country world maybe. He had a US chart hit in '68 with "Paralyzed", and he's still active :) > > Bedlam Four > > (The Marvel World of) Icarus > > Beef Boys > > This was all rather intriguing. > > > The Breakers > > Surf Tragedy ? Not bad. Love the french horn (?)- quite epic stuff. A far more stirring tale than any old greek tragedy! > > Jimmy Cross > > "That's when we met the leader of the pack!" Most amusing. As far as I remember reading it was played frequently on US radio in the early 60s, shocking listeners (blatantly hinting at dismemberment and necrophilia), and subsequently banned by some paranoia inducing US institution. Of course I should have put William Shatner on there (couldn't find the tape, I need to get the CD anyway). Chr. > > Tim From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Fri Jun 12 10:00:39 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:00:39 -0400 Subject: HW: 100 word SF: This Very Spot Message-ID: This would make a great HW song. Anybody want to write some lyrics? Brian >> From: schnitzi at east.isx.com >> Newsgroups: talk.bizarre >> Subject: 100 word SF: This Very Spot >> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:15:30 GMT >> >> The equations added up. >> >> Though time travel was never expressly forbidden by the laws of >> physics, no one had yet figured out a way -- until Lars came along. >> >> "I shall see you in ten years, at this very spot." Brazenly, he >> added: "Have my Nobel Prize waiting for me." >> >> He stepped into the machine and shunted. >> >> Suddenly his skin was alive with fire. Before they vaporized, his >> eyes caught a glimpse of a billion stars. >> >> Lars thought, "Well, I suppose the Earth *was* in this very spot, >> ten years ago." And his blood boiled away into the vacuum of space. >> >> >> --Mark From richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK Fri Jun 12 10:15:00 1998 From: richard.cutting at SYNOPSYS.LTD.UK (Cutting, Richard) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:15:00 +0100 Subject: HW: 100 word SF: This Very Spot === Message-ID: It almost sounds like the spoken part before a mega instrumental piece ! Richard. > ---------- > From: brian halligan[SMTP:brianh at PULLEYN.COM] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: 12 June 1998 15:00 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: HW: 100 word SF: This Very Spot > > This would make a great HW song. Anybody want to write some lyrics? > > Brian > > >> From: schnitzi at east.isx.com > >> Newsgroups: talk.bizarre > >> Subject: 100 word SF: This Very Spot > >> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:15:30 GMT > >> > >> The equations added up. > >> > >> Though time travel was never expressly forbidden by the laws of > >> physics, no one had yet figured out a way -- until Lars came along. > >> > >> "I shall see you in ten years, at this very spot." Brazenly, he > >> added: "Have my Nobel Prize waiting for me." > >> > >> He stepped into the machine and shunted. > >> > >> Suddenly his skin was alive with fire. Before they vaporized, his > >> eyes caught a glimpse of a billion stars. > >> > >> Lars thought, "Well, I suppose the Earth *was* in this very spot, > >> ten years ago." And his blood boiled away into the vacuum of > space. > >> > >> > >> --Mark > *********************************************************************** LEGAL DISCLAIMER *********************************************************************** The contents of this email and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Synopsys hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this email and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the Technology Department at Synopsys Ltd. on +44 171 250 1990. *********************************************************************** From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Fri Jun 12 10:27:21 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:27:21 +0100 Subject: HW: 100 word SF: This Very Spot === Message-ID: > It almost sounds like the spoken part before a mega instrumental piece > ! > > > > > >> From: schnitzi at east.isx.com > > >> Newsgroups: talk.bizarre > > >> Subject: 100 word SF: This Very Spot > > >> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:15:30 GMT > > >> > > >> The equations added up. > > >> > > >> Though time travel was never expressly forbidden by the laws of > > >> physics, no one had yet figured out a way -- until Lars came > along. > > >> > > >> "I shall see you in ten years, at this very spot." Brazenly, he > > >> added: "Have my Nobel Prize waiting for me." > > >> > > >> He stepped into the machine and shunted. > > >> > > >> Suddenly his skin was alive with fire. Before they vaporized, > his > > >> eyes caught a glimpse of a billion stars. > > >> > > >> Lars thought, "Well, I suppose the Earth *was* in this very spot, > > > >> ten years ago." And his blood boiled away into the vacuum of > > space. > > >> > > >> > > >> --Mark > > I'll mention it at the next BEER POWERED NOISE FRENZY rehearsal... Cheers, Rich. ** "Chrysoprasia?!" ** From micci at SCI.FI Fri Jun 12 12:07:55 1998 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 19:07:55 +0300 Subject: HW: The Elf and the Hawk Message-ID: Hi! >I don't know when or how but if you want to harangue the >record label, Black Widow can be telephoned or faxed on >0039 236 1708. However, bear in mind they're an Italian >based company. Also www.zilli.com/blackwidow and email blackwidow at zilli.com Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From fn62 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Jun 12 14:58:23 1998 From: fn62 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Alison Hopkins) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 19:58:23 +0100 Subject: Tape Swap Message-ID: >Thats the name of the CD ;) McCallum recorded a couple of albums and >singles in the mid 60s and its sometimes quite good. There are a few >frightening easy listening covers there too, but "Communication" is the >best tune (and an original), also a hit in '66 AAARRRRRRGGGG!! Dear God. this was the *first* single I ever bought....... yipes. It ended with the immortal words "Hey, girls, get offa my motorbike...... " Such memories........ Ali From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Jun 12 15:39:15 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:39:15 -0700 Subject: Tape Swap Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Jun 1998 14:43:17 +0200, Christian000Mumford cluttered up cyberspace with his incomprehensible rantings: >>> Legendary Stardust Cowboy >> >>> Sorry, this guy didn't float my boat one iota. > >Hehe. So you didn't even like the jungle sounds? The rebel yell or Comanche >war whoop?? Eh? I guess I'm a big fan of his :) Interestingly he's the >source for David Bowie's (Ziggy) Stardust name. Comparable to a Syd Barrett >of the US roots/country world maybe. He had a US chart hit in '68 with >"Paralyzed", and he's still active :) Sure is! I saw him perform in San Francisco just a month or two ago ... what a freak! Of course, he performed his Dr. Demento hit, "My Underwear Froze to the Wash Line", shot off his cap guns at appropriate parts in the set, and generally behaved like the lunatic he is. The scariest part of the show was after "The Lege'" left the stage while the band raved on, and this incredibly drunk overweight 40-/50-something woman jumped on stage and started taking her clothes off. AAAAAAUUUUUUGGGGGHHHHHH! -Doug ceres at sirius.com From mumford at ONLINE.NO Sat Jun 13 10:55:24 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 16:55:24 +0200 Subject: Tape Swap Message-ID: Tim: I just noticed I forgot to list 3 songs on the tape! They are: (following Shadow of a Tiger on side A :-) Who's Knocking On My Door? *legendary Sounds* Brass Rainbow Alison Hopkins writes: > > AAARRRRRRGGGG!! > > Dear God. > > this was the *first* single I ever bought....... yipes. Hmmm... very strange forces at work here...! > It ended with the > immortal words "Hey, girls, get offa my motorbike...... " > > Such memories........ > > Ali One will have to assume mr. McCallum was a very busy man at the time? > On Fri, 12 Jun 1998 14:43:17 +0200, Christian000Mumford > cluttered up cyberspace with his incomprehensible rantings: I have no idea what you mean with the incomprihensible bit about my rantings. I think they work just fine? Doug Pearson further states, in a quite sanity drenched manner of typing: > Sure is! I saw him perform in San Francisco just a month or two ago ... Ledge live! Hawkwind should consider replacing Capt. Rizz with Ledge for the next US tour. > what a freak! Of course, he performed his Dr. Demento hit, "My Underwear > Froze to the Wash Line", shot off his cap guns at appropriate parts in the > set, and generally behaved like the lunatic he is. My (gold ink) autographed copy of that very single (it's "clothesline" BTW :) is one of my most prized posessions! > The scariest part of > the show was after "The Lege'" left the stage while the band raved on, and > this incredibly drunk overweight 40-/50-something woman jumped on stage and > started taking her clothes off. AAAAAAUUUUUUGGGGGHHHHHH! (some guy in the audience: "Mom?? Put some clothes on! What the hell are you doing here??? Say what? That was the new boyfriend up there with the capguns?! JESUS!!") Chr. -- "Carbon dating may lead to paper cuts and pencil pushing is the good time Dixie band of all navigational endeavor. Receding hairlines no obstacle, don't use an electric razor. Always pick the cherries out of the cans of fruit salad from the supermarket. If your thoughts go dayglo, consult the dictionary. Tell us we need more Weetabix." - Ellery C. Helgar M.D., AC 12/7/84 From eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK Sat Jun 13 20:48:52 1998 From: eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK (eldritch) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 17:48:52 -0700 Subject: HW:Warrior+EMI Message-ID: Does anyone know if EMI are going to do a remaster of Warrior as they have done with their other LPs? They made such a good job of the rest it's a shame that it's missing! eldritch From mumford at ONLINE.NO Sat Jun 13 13:20:46 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 19:20:46 +0200 Subject: HW: 100 word SF: This Very Spot Message-ID: All this story does though, is say that the guy did not calulate where in space the Earth would be (positioned) at the time of destination, which is stupid and his own fault, if he had brains enough to build a time machine in the first place... (but yes, it would still make a good HW tune :) Chr. > > This would make a great HW song. Anybody want to write some lyrics? > > Brian > > >> From: schnitzi at east.isx.com > >> Newsgroups: talk.bizarre > >> Subject: 100 word SF: This Very Spot > >> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:15:30 GMT > >> > >> The equations added up. > >> > >> Though time travel was never expressly forbidden by the laws of > >> physics, no one had yet figured out a way -- until Lars came along. > >> > >> "I shall see you in ten years, at this very spot." Brazenly, he > >> added: "Have my Nobel Prize waiting for me." > >> > >> He stepped into the machine and shunted. > >> > >> Suddenly his skin was alive with fire. Before they vaporized, his > >> eyes caught a glimpse of a billion stars. > >> > >> Lars thought, "Well, I suppose the Earth *was* in this very spot, > >> ten years ago." And his blood boiled away into the vacuum of space. > >> > >> > >> --Mark > -- "Carbon dating may lead to paper cuts and pencil pushing is the good time Dixie band of all navigational endeavor. Receding hairlines no obstacle, don't use an electric razor. Always pick the cherries out of the cans of fruit salad from the supermarket. If your thoughts go dayglo, consult the dictionary. Tell us we need more Weetabix." - Ellery C. Helgar M.D., AC 12/7/84 From fn62 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Jun 13 17:30:39 1998 From: fn62 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Alison Hopkins) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 22:30:39 +0100 Subject: Tape Swap Message-ID: >> AAARRRRRRGGGG!! >> >> Dear God. >> >> this was the *first* single I ever bought....... yipes. > >Hmmm... very strange forces at work here...! Not to say that my *age* is showing.............. :) :) > >> It ended with the >> immortal words "Hey, girls, get offa my motorbike...... " >> >> Such memories........ >> >> Ali > > >One will have to assume mr. McCallum was a very busy man at the time? > And a serious lust object for young and impressionable females! "Communication, yeah, yeah.............." Damn song won't leave my head, now...... Ali From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Sun Jun 14 01:04:17 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (SPRAWL) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 01:04:17 -0400 Subject: HW: 100 word SF: This Very Spot Message-ID: i heard a variation of this story YEARS ago. like 20 years ago. i dont remember the story in great detail, it might have been dr seuss for all i know. it didnt involve a time machine, but a feat of will where the guy determined: "i shall remain in this very spot and will not be moved." he did, he wasnt, but the earth moved on. but yes, it would make a good HW tune. ;) rj Christian000Mumford wrote: > > All this story does though, is say that the guy did not calulate where in > space the Earth would be (positioned) at the time of destination, which is > stupid and his own fault, if he had brains enough to build a time machine > in the first place... (but yes, it would still make a good HW tune :) > > Chr. > > > > > This would make a great HW song. Anybody want to write some lyrics? > > > > Brian > > > > >> From: schnitzi at east.isx.com > > >> Newsgroups: talk.bizarre > > >> Subject: 100 word SF: This Very Spot > > >> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:15:30 GMT > > >> > > >> The equations added up. > > >> > > >> Though time travel was never expressly forbidden by the laws of > > >> physics, no one had yet figured out a way -- until Lars came along. > > >> > > >> "I shall see you in ten years, at this very spot." Brazenly, he > > >> added: "Have my Nobel Prize waiting for me." > > >> > > >> He stepped into the machine and shunted. > > >> > > >> Suddenly his skin was alive with fire. Before they vaporized, his > > >> eyes caught a glimpse of a billion stars. > > >> > > >> Lars thought, "Well, I suppose the Earth *was* in this very spot, > > >> ten years ago." And his blood boiled away into the vacuum of space. > > >> > > >> > > >> --Mark > > > > -- > "Carbon dating may lead to paper cuts and pencil pushing is the > good time Dixie band of all navigational endeavor. Receding hairlines > no obstacle, don't use an electric razor. Always pick the cherries out > of the cans of fruit salad from the supermarket. If your thoughts go > dayglo, consult the dictionary. Tell us we need more Weetabix." > > - Ellery C. Helgar M.D., AC 12/7/84 From henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sun Jun 14 08:40:51 1998 From: henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 14:40:51 +0200 Subject: HW CD. Message-ID: Hi there! A few weeks ago I got in touch with a guy who sold CD?s at a recordfair and one of the items was a CD called "Live at the Kinetic Playground" by Hawkwind. Track-listing is Technicians of spaceship earth, You shouldn?t do that, ...only dreaming, Master of the universe, Paranoia, Silver machine, Born to go and a long (cosmic) jam. Total playing time is 71 minutes. He has 19 CD?s left and is offering them for 125 SEK ($15) each including p&p. send me an e-mail if you?re interested. Hawkswede ========================================================== Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik at sundsvall.mail.telia.com or hawkwind at hem.passagen.se -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mumford at ONLINE.NO Sun Jun 14 09:07:01 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 15:07:01 +0200 Subject: HW:Warrior+EMI/ramble remastering/state of affairs? Message-ID: > Does anyone know if EMI are going to do a remaster of Warrior as they have > done with their other LPs? They made such a good job of the rest it's a > shame that it's missing! > > eldritch > Does anyone know the excact story why they have not done this already?? I know it has something to do with sub-licencing etc. as the CD has been on different labels than the other UA/EMI discs (they've been on CD (in UK) on EMI, why Warrior on Dojo?). An EMI remastered Warrior would not only benefit from flash packaging, extra tracks & better sound, it might just be slightly less pink too. My Dojo copy is *very* pink, I do not mind pink as a color in general, I mean, I would not wear pink (not in public anyway :) but thats not the issue. My own personal copy of WARRIOR is just extremely PINK. A strange Freudian fixation on my part? And what about the Charisma/76-78 era?? Astounding/Quark/PXR5/Hawklords 25 Years On (maybe even the Hawklords Live on the same disc?), those 4 albums are as classic as the early ones. They would not have to be as expensively packaged, a nice fat booklet (like the EMI Motorhead/Sabbath/Uriah Heep/whomever remasters) would do fine, and be great mid-price bargains... beyond the Calvert/Charisma albums I'd see no point in remastering... (like who needs a remaster of Levitation!?) Taking the subject further, I really thought the packaging for the remastered Sphynx (Turner) CD was incredibly cheap/half arsed/crap. Shame! Nothing else wrong with it apart from that. They should just have copied the original LP stuff (maybe legal reasons they did not? Still...). What happened to EBS, they used to put out the tastiest looking discs out there. I doubt DH or Sphynx grabbed any new listeners, simply because they are so ugly and unappealing looking (added to zero promotion) - one can get far more 'tempting' looking/sounding HW stuff much cheaper anyway (if you are new to the band). I suspect the sudden decline in that dept. is reflective of the state of EBS (why's Davey's Elf EP and Hawkfan CD reissue NOT on EBS???). As someone said, they might have overspent their budget on the A4, LiS etc. etc. massive EBS packages that came out in '95-96. Davey leaving the band probably did more damage than Brock might care to admit as well? Not because of fans etc, I am thinking as a force within the band and label, creatively and otherwise. Either way, HW have had it FAR worse and come back full force in the past. Chr. -- "Carbon dating may lead to paper cuts and pencil pushing is the good time Dixie band of all navigational endeavor. Receding hairlines no obstacle, don't use an electric razor. Always pick the cherries out of the cans of fruit salad from the supermarket. If your thoughts go dayglo, consult the dictionary. Tell us we need more Weetabix." - Ellery C. Helgar M.D., AC 12/7/84 From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Sun Jun 14 10:00:30 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 07:00:30 -0700 Subject: HW CD. In-Reply-To: <009501bd9791$aab0af80$1ccc143e@peace-of-mind> Message-ID: Hello Henrik--------- I would be interested in getting 2 of these CDs, please let me know if he has any left. Kevin Sommers Primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu http://www.psn.net/~novadrive/ -----Original Message----- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On Behalf Of Henrik Hallgren Sent: Sunday, June 14, 1998 5:41 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: HW CD. Hi there! A few weeks ago I got in touch with a guy who sold CD?s at a recordfair and one of the items was a CD called "Live at the Kinetic Playground" by Hawkwind. Track-listing is Technicians of spaceship earth, You shouldn?t do that, ...only dreaming, Master of the universe, Paranoia, Silver machine, Born to go and a long (cosmic) jam. Total playing time is 71 minutes. He has 19 CD?s left and is offering them for 125 SEK ($15) each including p&p. send me an e-mail if you?re interested. Hawkswede ========================================================== Henrik Hallgren, Stapelv?gen 5, 856 34 Sundsvall, Sweden Email: henrik at sundsvall.mail.telia.com or hawkwind at hem.passagen.se -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Sun Jun 14 10:53:08 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (SPRAWL) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 10:53:08 -0400 Subject: HW:Warrior+EMI/ramble remastering/state of affairs? Message-ID: Christian000Mumford wrote: > Davey leaving the band probably did more damage than Brock might care to > admit as well? Not because of fans etc, I am thinking as a force within the > band and label, creatively and otherwise. Either way, HW have had it FAR > worse and come back full force in the past. > Chr. > i agree. i feel that davey's leaving can be considered Devastating. i think HW will need to work double hard to bounce back. since he left, things have not been near as good. just took me a while to admit it. i think they should work out a deal. i mean, davey supposedly left to advance solocareer, but who says he has only to be part of a single band? rj From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Jun 14 12:56:50 1998 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 12:56:50 -0400 Subject: BOC: Covers Message-ID: John wrote: >Highway Star?? - Can't confirm this. Someone has sworn that they saw >BOC do this in the late 70s - Bolle has said the band never did it live, >but may have used it during soundchecks. Albert? BOC never played this while I was in the band. The band before BOC, Stalk Forrest, did lots of covers though. I've just been transferring to DAT approximately 20 hours of live tapes from 70-71 before we were called BOC and we played tons of covers. Here's partial list: All Along the Watchtower Hey Bulldog Getting Better All the Time And Your Bird Can Sing Me and My Monkey Under My Thumb Street Fighting Man Honkey Tonk Woman Jumpin Jack Flash Live With Me Substitute Jesus Is Just All Right Badge Aimless Lady Casey Jones Ohio Woodstock Cinnamon Girl All Right Now Rock and Roll Star Ooo Baby Baby Turn Back the Hands of Time Lola Good Time Bad Times Communication Breakdown Whole Lotta Love ...Plus a whole bunch of originals that I thought we lost to the sands of time. Cool stuff. There is one of Eric's originals called 'Highway Song' that Joe mislabeled 'Highway Star' but it's nothing like the DP song. When I saw the above post I had to check it out. Joe found these tapes when we were looking for the original masters for the Helen Wheels EP and I've just got around to them. The quality is so-so but I wanted to transfer them before the tapes fall apart. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sun Jun 14 23:57:38 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 23:57:38 -0400 Subject: BOC: Simpsons reference (was: Re: BOC: "No-Zilla") In-Reply-To: <19980610081945.AAA24082@[208.214.94.83]> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, Nick English wrote: > BTW, how can we convince Matt Groening to put a BOC reference on the > show? : ) He already has. In the episode in which Homer enrolls as a freak on a Lollapalooza-style travelling rock festival, he tries to strengthen his resolve when faced with taking an undoubtedly-fatal cannonball to the gut by saying "Don't fear the reaper." A pretty obvious BOC reference, IMHO. Cheers, Paul. BTW, speaking of music references, did anyone see the obvious Zappa reference in this Sunday's (14 June) issue of Mutts comic strip?? In the title panel, there is a take-off of Zappa's _Cruising with Reuben and the Jets_ album cover, done as _Cruising with Ozzie and the Mutts_. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Jun 15 00:23:00 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 00:23:00 -0400 Subject: OFF: Gromit's "illness" Message-ID: Whilst I was away on my recent Pacific coast roadtrip, my mail server (and desktop workstation), gromit.dlib.vt.edu, crashed due to a momentary power outage in Blacksburg (sometime around June 2nd, as far as I can determine). Apparently, the capable folks in the lab in which I work were incapable of following the simple instructions I left for rebooting it. Alas, lots of my e-mail bounced as undeliverable as a result. :-( I apologise if this caused any hassle for anyone. (Gromit is back in perfect health, I'm sure everyone will be pleased to know.:) Cheers, Paul. obTape: Mule Droppings (compilation of snippets of live Govt. Mule) e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Sun Jun 14 14:46:15 1998 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 04:46:15 +1000 Subject: HW: Current Hawk Situation Message-ID: Greetings all, I've been thinking on this a bit, for some reason - and I think it's time for me to air my thoughts... First, let me say that I really like both of the two recent Hawkwind albums - both have their great bits and both have some quite bad bits. So, here is my prognosis on their situation at present. I'd say that they're well into a "new era" as it were. By this I mean, that they've progressed to a different sound/image/feel/whatever. There was the early years, the Calvert years, the Levitation-era years, the long synth-based song years, and now they're moving into something new. I'd have to say that I'm very keen to see what is going to happen - they're certainly on some kind of threshold at the moment - Davey leaving, Brock slowing down his output, Richards "heavy-ing" up some of the music, Tree contributing some interesting and slightly strange themes, etc... I get the impression that they're still attempting to synthesise into a cohesive whole, still. There are times when they're all working together well, and there are others where the music is a bit confused and patchy. Looking at Alien4, I'd have to say that the music was a bit poor, whereas the concept and the overall atmosphere was very cohesive and well thought out. Distant Horizons, though, seems to be about the opposite. It is mostly well played throughout, the music is much better than Alien4, but there is very little concept behind it and seems a little "thrown together". Perhaps if the band learns to work together a little more cohesively, with more live performance etc, the future may hold some gems yet. But then again, perhaps they're trying to hold on to something that they only had at a particular moment (IMHO, from In Search of Space until Levitation). I'd say that if they are keen to move forward, we will see some more fantastic stuff from them. But who knows..... "Ramble mode" - off... - Max Wilcox From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Mon Jun 15 04:55:05 1998 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:55:05 +0200 Subject: Hawkfan Gathering 98' Message-ID: 357. German Hawkwind Fan Meeting 1998, Tipsy Apes HM Club, Hamburg, Germany 6/12-13/1998 gratis 6/12: Tranquilizer Growing Seeds Nik Turner and Judge Trev from ICU with jam session 6/13: Zone Six Bedoiun (Alan Davey) Mandragora Light Show Society This was one hell of a weekend. It is a 4.5 hr train ride to Hamburg main station and then another 20 min train ride out to Heimfeld. Walk down the hill and then down a road (Am Radeland) and the club is in a sort of industrial area but away from all the houses so the music can go 24 hrs! Had no problems getting there. Met up with Feddo Reiners and his girlfriend who had hitchhiked from Den Haag in Holland for this event. I had a great time with them! Really great people. Also met up with Bernhard Pospiech, a great internet Hawkfriend of mine. We had never met and that was quite a pleasure. We had a nice chat as well, but he did not camp out and only came for the Saturday bands (even though I did meet him on friday!). Lots of other great folks as well...Thomas Leonhardt, the organizer is one hell of a nice guy and was quite happy to see all went well. The folks from the HM Club were all really great and were into great old 80's metal, so i heard a lot of my favorites. I just wish they could have turned it down a little between 4-7 am.. Motorhead Ace of Spades, Overkill, Bomber at maximum volume is really hard to sleep to.. Ok...... as for the weather, well, for the middle of june it sucked! It was cold and rainy, although the rain stayed away when the bands played, which was nice. It got down to nearly freezing each night and I was not quite prepared and thus suffered.. They did have a nice bon fire you could warm yourself with though.. As for the music.... Tranquilizer are a young band with two rappers who switched off. I had heard people compared them to Massive Attack, whom I don't know... They played a slightly psychedelic funk with a rapper and a guy who made synth noises and scratches, a DJ! It was bass, drums, guitar, digeridoo, Dj and two rappers who took turns, never together on the same song.. They were alright... There last two songs were actually quite good and one could have been an Ozrics tune... They played for like 50 minutes.. I should say now that the sound for all bands was excellent. They really had a guy who know is shit and the mix was always great. Congrats to this guy.. Makes it great for us who are trying to record. I recorded most all the music from the audience, while there was a german guy recording on MD also but from the board and Feddo recorded from the audience as well. Also, they had an excellent psychedelic light show by Lucifer's Sun Dream. Great light show..... A little hard to see until it got dark but only the first band really played when it was light. Remember that it stays light until 10:30 in Hamburg at this time of year. Growing Seeds were next and I had read great things about them in Crohinga WEll and the Freak Emporium catalog, so I had high expectations...............and they were exceeded! These guys play just my style of heavy psych.. Killer stuff.. Heavy fuzzed guitars, nice synths sounds and great 60's sounding organ on some of the songs and great spacey echoy vocals.... Spaced out...... long jams as well, with most songs 7-10 minutes in length. I think they played for 75 minutes. Funny how the bands never seem to play as long as they could. All were given 2 hours and only did Bedoiun and the friday night jam session go that long. Anyway, Growing Seeds are awesome and I highly recommend them. I bought their CD, Miraculous Journey (73min). Next up was Judge Trev Thomas from ICU playing with Nik Turner. They did a bunch of old ICU songs acoustic with sax or flute. Then were joined by various members from Tranquilier first and then Growing Seeds later. They did long jams on Silver Machine, Master of the Universe and some others as well that were somewhat interesting but a lot of times the guitar player did not know the riff for the song, so it sounded strange.... I thought everyone who was at this festival and was a musician would know the chords for the classic HW songs, but I was wrong. It would be the other way around, that most don't know the HW songs at all! It was a bit windy this night and there is a little bit of wind noise in the recordings of this session here and there but overall the clarity is excellent! I even used the windscreens..... Bucket on their Heads, Little White Egg, Don't do it, Spanish instrumental, D-Rider, Bones of Elvis (incredible!) Jam with Tranquilizer: Sax and digeridoo intro> some 50's number but funked up a bit, Riot goin' On (60 minutes) Jam with dig player, Zone Six guitar player and drum from Growing Seeds?, Organ player from Growing Seeds.. bass player comes on, Growing Seeds guitar player replaces Zone Six... etc.. Sax solo, into mellow jam with flute, Heavy funk jam, (Master of the Universe*), Brainstorm jam (recorded from tent) Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun, Johnny B. Goode, Silver Machine, space jam, more space...... *missing from recording (75 minutes) The whole set with jam session was like 3 hours long.. and now it is like 3 in the morning... and the loud heavy metal starts until 7am... Day Two: Nik and Trev are playing old 60's tunes outside their tent... I record two half numbers: CS and N song. ?? Trev does an acoustic set with Nik at 5 in the afternoon. (20 Mintutes) Mostly all new numbers which were quite cool. Incredible version of Candle in the WInd but with totally twisted lyrics.. Trembling Hand, Set Free, ?, Candle in the Wind, Brew Crew I really liked these folks songs a lot. Excellent stuff.. Zone Six starts about 9 I guess and plays three total improv numbers in which Nik joins them on two of the numbers. I think normally they are much harder edged, Monster Magnet like, but this was really pretty cool and interesting as well... Good band.. Guitar, bass, drums and the guitar player from the Growing Seeds he played a bit of MOOG synth and did some CAN like vocal chants...... Pretty cool. I spoke with the band and they really had a good time in their set. They played for 45 minutes. Bedoiun took a long time to set up and did not start until 11:30 I would guess but boy were we in for a treat as Alan was quite psyched up and they played an incredible set. 80 minutes of Bedoiun and HW numbers and then Nik joined them for a set of classic numbers: LSD, Watching the Grass Grow, Bucket on his head, Master of the Universe, Silver Machine, Assassins of Allah, Brainstorm (bass, drums and sax only!) The whole set was like 125 minutes! Bedoiun are a very heavy band.. remind me of late 70's Motorhead a lot... Sean, the guitar player is excellent. I was not really impressed by the Bedoiun CD that much but live these guys really play and Danny Thompson has really improved and is quite excellent. Their set was incredible and the light show put on to compliment it was incredible.. They really gave the audience everything they wanted!! The HW numbers with Nik at the end were a bit frustrating for Sean on guitar as he did not always know what to play, not being familiar with the songs. He finally gave up for Brainstorm and they tried to get Trev to play it on acoustic (the guitar part), but he was missing...so they played it without a guitar.. sounds very strange. Opened with something off Captured Rotation, Mirage, Queen of the Night, Sputnik Stan, Vision Quest, Arioch, Ancient Rite, Wings, Rock Palace, Elric the Enchanter, Passion is an Animal, Sword of the East, LSD Watching the Grass Grow*, Bucket on his head*, Master of the Universe*, Silver Machine*, Assassins of Allah, Brainstorm * recording missing these songs 117 minutes By the time they finished it was like 1:45 and I was totally exhausted after only two hours of sleep the previous day. I warmed myself by the fire and then went to lay down but it was so cold and loud that I did not get any sleep.. I was falling in and out of sleep while listening to Mandragora Light Show Society and they sounded really really incredible.. IF I had know that the recording of the last half of the Nik set from the first night sounded as good as it did, I would have recorded them from the tent as well.. They did not start playing until nearly 3 am. I hope Feddo got a good recording of them as they sounded really great, spacey 60's meets 90's psych stuff.. Well, that was a hell of a weekend. I am left completely wasted... Good night....... I highly recommend this event and it was well worth the travel.. I will for sure come again next year if they have it.. Ed, a huge Hawkfan from Iowa was there. Great guy! Later..... scott R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 38 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Mon Jun 15 09:21:32 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (SPRAWL) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:21:32 -0400 Subject: HW: Current Hawk Situation Message-ID: Max Wilcox wrote: > I'd say that they're well into a "new era" as it were. By this I > mean, that they've progressed to a different sound/image/feel/whatever. > There was the early years, the Calvert years, the Levitation-era years, the > long synth-based song years, and now they're moving into something new. I'd > have to say that I'm very keen to see what is going to happen - they're > certainly on some kind of threshold at the moment - Davey leaving, Brock > slowing down his output, Richards "heavy-ing" up some of the music, Tree > contributing some interesting and slightly strange themes, etc... I get the > impression that they're still attempting to synthesise into a cohesive > whole, still. There are times when they're all working together well, and > there are others where the music is a bit confused and patchy. > Looking at Alien4, I'd have to say that the music was a bit > poor, whereas the concept and the overall atmosphere was very cohesive and > well thought out. Distant Horizons, though, seems to be about the opposite. > It is mostly well played throughout, the music is much better than Alien4, > but there is very little concept behind it and seems a little "thrown > together". > Perhaps if the band learns to work together a little more > cohesively, with more live performance etc, the future may hold some gems > yet. But then again, perhaps they're trying to hold on to something that > they only had at a particular moment (IMHO, from In Search of Space until > Levitation). I'd say that if they are keen to move forward, we will see some > more fantastic stuff from them. But who knows..... i agree to a point. but the way i see it, they were headed into a new era, and the ladder rungs broke under them. now it seems to me that they are trying to put humpty back together again. i'm sure they will. did you ever read one of those mosaic stories where several authors writes a piece, and its all fantastic and wonderous, until the end when they try to tie it all together, and the whole is far too outlandish to work? try pj farmer's Dungeon series, or the X files.. well, that's the way i see HW right now. Im sure it will all come together in the end; i certainly havent given up. as for the two most recent albums, i see it the other way. i LOVE alien 4, and only care for a couple of tracks on DH. I still listen to A4 frequently. (as for "beam me up" - ive heard it called 'juvenile,' but to my ears it is no more juvi than much of calvert's and turner's output. in fact, to me, it sounds very much like a nik turner song written for uhhh, the sequel to a rocky horror thing. yeah that'sthe ticket. ;)) i think HW will spring back, but i DO thing they need a bass player. rj From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jun 15 10:47:52 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:47:52 +0000 Subject: HW: Current Hawk Situation Message-ID: On m?n 15 jun 1998 09.21 -0400 SPRAWL wrote: > as for the two most recent albums, i see it the other way. i LOVE alien > 4, and only care for a couple of tracks on DH. I'm there for this one. _A4_ was a good step back towards the actually fairly heady heights of the _PS_/_ET_ period. _DH_ has moments, and is interesting--but not enough. They really need to get it together, and they're spending too much time just faffing about at the moment. The Blackheath gig last June promised great things. Unfortunately, while the great things from Blackheath were on _DH_, there weren't any _other_ great things on _DH_ ... > i think HW will spring back, but i DO thing they need a bass player. Ron is a lot better than I thought he would be, but he's not Alan (or Lemmy ;) He's settled in better than we might have hoped otherwise. I think the real problem is too much filler on _DH_ and not enough decent space-rock songs. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK Mon Jun 15 17:56:08 1998 From: eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK (eldritch) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:56:08 -0700 Subject: HW: Odds and ends for sale Calvert/HW/MOOG?! Message-ID: Okay here goes... ;-) Ooops my finances collapsed. Much to my despair I'm going to have to dispose of a few items :-( (UK only...) For die hard Calvert Fans, fill that gap in you collection: Hype(the novel) - Bob Calvert Cricket Star(Green Picture Flexidisc) - Robert Calvert and the First 11 [creased but playable] Distances Between Us - Adrian Wagner(featuring Bob Calvert) [scratchy and the sleeve is hammered] I'm looking for ?7.50+p&p for the lot. I have a copy of the Star Rats Poster from the original Doremi in nice condition. So if you're missing one mail me. (You get the original inner as well...but that's not so hot) I'm looking for ?3.50+p&p for that. Um....and next we have: Warrior on the edge of Time (ltd shield cover, German edition with different catalog number UAS 29 766 XO, and a two sided thick brown paper insert instead of the inner in the UK version. This is autographed by Mike Moorcock accross the sunrise on the front cover. Its about average condition for the age - a few surface marks, but no real scratches. I'm not even sure what too ask for this, the mind boggles. I'm open to offers. For all those people who love the bleeps: MOOG Prodigy Analogue Synthesiser(My baby). 18 this year. It's in lovely condition full working order. Normal second hand value is around ?250. But if anyone has a nice space rock home for it to go to. Then I will happily let it go for ?150 Boohoo.....:-( Finally if anyone is looking for a cheap laptop+k56 modem, I have one for ?200. Wheres the catch? Mailme if you're interested, and I'll explain. Stressed and Skint.. eldritch From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Mon Jun 15 10:38:53 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (SPRAWL) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:38:53 -0400 Subject: HW: Current Hawk Situation Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Ron is a lot better than I thought he would be, but he's not > Alan (or Lemmy ;) He's settled in better than we might have hoped > otherwise. > I think the real problem is too much filler on _DH_ and not > enough decent space-rock songs. > yer a bass player, and so probably know better than i, but i formed my op of ron's playing live. i noticed a lot of stalls and dropped notes. he can carry a tune, but imo, doesnt KICK. nothing against the guy, i just think he'sbetter as front man than b-player. rj From eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK Mon Jun 15 18:43:18 1998 From: eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK (eldritch) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:43:18 -0700 Subject: Calvert Stuff! Message-ID: Bits for sale: All the Calvert Stuff has gone. :-( Still got the rest though! eldritch From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jun 15 12:02:38 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:02:38 +0000 Subject: HW: Current Hawk Situation Message-ID: On m?n 15 jun 1998 10.38 -0400 SPRAWL wrote: > Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >> Ron is a lot better than I thought he would be, but he's not >> Alan (or Lemmy ;) He's settled in better than we might have hoped >> otherwise. >> I think the real problem is too much filler on _DH_ and not >> enough decent space-rock songs. > > yer a bass player, and so probably know better than i, but i formed my > op of ron's playing live. i noticed a lot of stalls and dropped notes. > he can carry a tune, but imo, doesnt KICK. nothing against the guy, i > just think he'sbetter as front man than b-player. Well, I agree with that--I just thought he was going to _suck_ as a bass player :) Heck, Hawkwind aren't that busy at the moment, I'll go down and play bass for 'em :) Probably wouldn't make my PhD much later than it already will be ;) I'll sneak over and turn up Dave's amp as well :) yeah right, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 15 11:12:48 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:12:48 +0100 Subject: HW: 100 word SF: This Very Spot In-Reply-To: Christian000Mumford's message of Sat, 13 Jun 1998 19:20:46 +0200 Message-ID: Christian000Mumford writes: > All this story does though, is say that the guy did not calulate where in > space the Earth would be (positioned) at the time of destination, which is > stupid and his own fault Not necessarily. Over enough time the behaviour of the solar system will be chaotic enough to make precise location impossible. FoFP From arjanh at CS.VU.NL Mon Jun 15 11:25:02 1998 From: arjanh at CS.VU.NL (Hulsebos A) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:25:02 +0200 Subject: HW: 100 word SF: This Very Spot In-Reply-To: M Holmes "Re: HW: 100 word SF: This Very Spot" (Jun 15, 4:12pm) Message-ID: On Jun 15, 4:12pm, M Holmes wrote: >Subject: Re: HW: 100 word SF: This Very Spot >Christian000Mumford writes: > >> All this story does though, is say that the guy did not calulate where in >> space the Earth would be (positioned) at the time of destination, which is >> stupid and his own fault > >Not necessarily. Over enough time the behaviour of the solar system will >be chaotic enough to make precise location impossible. I remember it being 10 years, which is probably not enough to notice any chaotic behavior. Besides, I think that it has not been proven to be chaotic, it merely has not been proven to be a stable system. That, on the other hand, doesn't rule out chaotic behavior either! Sigh, few-body problems are so damn hard to solve.... > >FoFP Arjan H From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 15 11:16:38 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:16:38 +0100 Subject: HW: Current Hawk Situation In-Reply-To: <1048571.3106915358@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <1048571.3106915358 at cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk>, Carl Edlund Anderson writes > Heck, Hawkwind aren't that busy at the moment, I'll >go down and play bass for 'em :) Isn't that how Alan started? -- Jon From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jun 15 13:38:53 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:38:53 +0000 Subject: HW: Current Hawk Situation Message-ID: On m?n 15 jun 1998 16.16 +0100 "Jon Browne" wrote: > In article <1048571.3106915358 at cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk>, Carl Edlund > Anderson writes >> Heck, Hawkwind aren't that busy at the moment, I'll >>go down and play bass for 'em :) > > Isn't that how Alan started? Alan's better than I :) I'd have to _practice_. Horrors! :) Hell, anyone got a synth they feel like playing? If Harvey could do it, surely a list-member can. Then no more excuse for Dave to arse about with the keys and tapes :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From brian-coulthard at EMAIL.MSN.COM Mon Jun 15 13:28:56 1998 From: brian-coulthard at EMAIL.MSN.COM (Brian Coulthard) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:28:56 +0100 Subject: HW: Current Hawk Situation In-Reply-To: <199806150900.FAA04648@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Hello all, I would have to say I agree with Max's view on the current HW situation. I am very optomisitic about the future. I thought the last tour was the best I have seen since the Black Sword and may be in a minority here but I thought Capt Rizz added an excellent new dimension th the sound and extra energy to the stage show. Does anyone know if there is to be a live album from the tour? or when the Jettisounds video of Morecambe will appear? From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jun 15 13:57:46 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:57:46 -0400 Subject: BOC: Covers Message-ID: Whoah, this would be a really cool set of stuff to hear! BOC doing Led Zepplin, the Stones, the Beatles, et al? Maybe someday when the 15 CD BOC Box Set comes out... ;-) John From clemens at TRAIL.COM Mon Jun 15 14:15:45 1998 From: clemens at TRAIL.COM (Clemens) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:15:45 -0600 Subject: HW: Current Hawk Situation Message-ID: >> I think the real problem is too much filler on _DH_ and not >> enough decent space-rock songs Maybe they should go back to reading more books and using them for inspiration. Alot of their songs were based on books. Shall we suggest a reading list? Mark clemens at trail.com From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Mon Jun 15 16:14:59 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (SPRAWL) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:14:59 -0400 Subject: HW: Current Hawk Situation Message-ID: that's how ron and alan came to the band. and others, probably? why not? the worst they can do is beam you to a hot sulpherous hell, right? rj Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > On men 15 jun 1998 10.38 -0400 SPRAWL wrote: > > Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > >> Ron is a lot better than I thought he would be, but he's not > >> Alan (or Lemmy ;) He's settled in better than we might have hoped > >> otherwise. > >> I think the real problem is too much filler on _DH_ and not > >> enough decent space-rock songs. > > > > yer a bass player, and so probably know better than i, but i formed my > > op of ron's playing live. i noticed a lot of stalls and dropped notes. > > he can carry a tune, but imo, doesnt KICK. nothing against the guy, i > > just think he'sbetter as front man than b-player. > > Well, I agree with that--I just thought he was going to _suck_ as > a bass player :) Heck, Hawkwind aren't that busy at the moment, I'll > go down and play bass for 'em :) Probably wouldn't make my PhD much later > than it already will be ;) I'll sneak over and turn up Dave's amp as well :) > > yeah right, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic > St. John's College, University of Cambridge > mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk > http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Mon Jun 15 17:15:42 1998 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:15:42 EDT Subject: HW: Attn. Allan Grohe Message-ID: I apologize for posting this publicly. Allan, in response to your question: The Griffin CotBS has these bonus tracks: Arioch The War I Survived (Live) Voice Inside Your Head (Live) Chuck From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Jun 15 17:32:41 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:32:41 -0700 Subject: HW: Current Hawk Situation Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:02:38 +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson mumbled something about: >On m?n 15 jun 1998 10.38 -0400 SPRAWL wrote: >> Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >>> Ron is a lot better than I thought he would be, but he's not >>> Alan (or Lemmy ;) He's settled in better than we might have hoped >>> otherwise. >>> I think the real problem is too much filler on _DH_ and not >>> enough decent space-rock songs. >> >> yer a bass player, and so probably know better than i, but i formed my >> op of ron's playing live. i noticed a lot of stalls and dropped notes. >> he can carry a tune, but imo, doesnt KICK. nothing against the guy, i >> just think he's better as front man than b-player. FWIW, I play bass also (and do all the bass players on the list play the same MODEL bass, at least on the HW side ;^)?), and was overall somewhat pleasantly surprised with Ron's playing when I saw HW last summer. I'd already heard one of the Capt. Jesus LP's, so I knew that he wouldn't suck (I think his playing on those is really good; not Lemmy or Alan, but still very good). But he didn't sing on those albums, so I also knew that would make a difference (this is from experience - comparing the basslines I play on songs that I sing to those on which I keep my mouth shut is nearly as bad as comparing Sid Vicious to Lemmy - not that I'm as bad as the former or as good as the latter!). Yeah, he tended to make mistakes especially while singing, but that's difficult. But, for the most part, he did a great job of keeping up while playing WITH HIS FINGERS! That's what really blew me away; how many other HW bassists besides Adrian Shaw have played without a pick? There's no way I could play that fast and hard without one ... and, on Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:38:53 +0000, the very same Carl Edlund Anderson also opined: > Alan's better than I :) I'd have to _practice_. Horrors! :) >Hell, anyone got a synth they feel like playing? If Harvey could >do it, surely a list-member can. Then no more excuse for Dave to >arse about with the keys and tapes :) How 'bout the Moog Prodigy that Eldritch is selling? (a great buy! some UK list member should certainly pick it up!) And speaking of his "for-sale" ad, the German pressing of WotEoT is probably the best-sounding vinyl copy you'll find of that album (I've compared it to US & UK originals, as well as the UK-repress) except maybe the Japanese (anyone heard that one?). My copy (as I love to brag about) came from the Radio Free Europe library ... I can imagine it being used as propoganda to bring all those space rock-lovin' East Germans and Czecks over to the West! (heck, it would be enough to get me to defect!) But hey - I also play analog synths & space rock violin, so don't tempt me! ;^) -Doug ceres at sirius.com From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 15 17:53:29 1998 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:53:29 GMT Subject: HW: Current Hawk Situation In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980615143241.007f1700@sirius.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:32:41 -0700, you sent through the ether: > (and do all the bass players on the list play the >same MODEL bass, at least on the HW side ;^)?) Nope.. Fender Mustang cos I`ve got tiny hands.. :) ...now if only they`d make a Kiddiebacker.. S. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Jun 15 18:17:53 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 23:17:53 +0100 Subject: OFF: Masters of Reality Message-ID: Quick note, if not a review, to say it was a dead good gig! He's a big bugger, Chris Goss! Rest of the band was (If I caught their names right) Brendan McNeil, gtr, Paul Powell bass, John Leamy drums. "Domino" was awesome and the excuse for much stage diving. (I was worried ChrisW would join in!! :)) And at the end CG wandered into the mosh right next to us and sang most intensely. Wicked. Catch 'em if they come near you! See http://www.mastersofreality.com - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Mon Jun 15 20:17:44 1998 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:17:44 EDT Subject: HW:Warrior+EMI/ramble remastering/state of affairs? Message-ID: In a message dated 98-06-14 10:55:44 EDT, you write: << Christian000Mumford wrote: > Davey leaving the band probably did more damage than Brock might care to > admit as well? Not because of fans etc, I am thinking as a force within the > band and label, creatively and otherwise. Either way, HW have had it FAR > worse and come back full force in the past. > Chr. > rj wrote: i agree. i feel that davey's leaving can be considered Devastating. i think HW will need to work double hard to bounce back. since he left, things have not been near as good. just took me a while to admit it. i think they should work out a deal. i mean, davey supposedly left to advance solocareer, but who says he has only to be part of a single band? rj >> i also agree, but i also have seen the band change and grow with each line-up and i've begun to view it as the way things are with the hawks. The leaving of a valuable and loved member of Hawkwind is usually painful for the fans (and likely the band as well) but i see it as an oportunity for the Hawks to continue their tradition of staying out of a rut and not ending up as "just another Nostalgia band". I have long since stopped dreading these inevitable line-up changes and have accepted them as part of the Hawkwind scene. I don't consider Distant Horizons to be one of the best releases by the band, but we have all learned to rely on them to get it on course and continue to be an outstanding rock band. I also deeply agree with ron's suggestion that Alan consider continued involvement in Hawkwind. Every time a member of Hawkwind leaves and spins off a good solo career, the fans always end up on the winning side: We keep Hawkwind as well as gaining a new sound to appreciate (ie ICU, motorhead, Bedouin, Nik Turner, Bob Calvert etc...) bl From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Tue Jun 16 04:06:03 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:06:03 +0100 Subject: HW: Current Hawk Situation Message-ID: Steve Pond wrote: > On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:32:41 -0700, you sent through the ether: > > > (and do all the bass players on the list play the > >same MODEL bass, at least on the HW side ;^)?) > > Nope.. Fender Mustang cos I`ve got tiny hands.. :) > ...now if only they`d make a Kiddiebacker.. > > S. Me neither - Yamaha man, 'cos I can't afford a Rickie... (Oh and Wally (Magnum) Lowe's old Gordy - or used to until the other half moved out. :-) (but a :-( for the loss of the bass!) Cheers, Rich. ** "He's totally dead, man." ** From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Tue Jun 16 04:20:33 1998 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:20:33 +0200 Subject: HW: news Message-ID: Hi Have a look at: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/ Bernhard From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Jun 16 00:51:51 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 04:51:51 +0000 Subject: BOC: Simpsons reference (was: Re: BOC: "No-Zilla") Message-ID: > > BTW, how can we convince Matt Groening to put a BOC reference on the > > show? : ) > > He already has. In the episode in which Homer enrolls as a freak on a > Lollapalooza-style travelling rock festival, he tries to strengthen his > resolve when faced with taking an undoubtedly-fatal cannonball to the > gut by saying "Don't fear the reaper." A pretty obvious BOC reference, > IMHO. > > Cheers, > > Paul. I saw that episode...didn't catch that line...either that or just don't remember it. I'll have to pay attention next time the rerun comes on. -- Nick From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Tue Jun 16 05:36:07 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:36:07 +0100 Subject: HW: Current Hawk Situation In-Reply-To: <778823.3106910871@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > Ron is a lot better than I thought he would be, but he's not > Alan (or Lemmy ;) He's settled in better than we might have hoped > otherwise. He's a lot better bassist than front-man/vocalist (IMO). Hide him out of the way and get Dave singing more again. Kevin Perry Technical Manager Wide Multimedia http://www.wide.co.uk/ From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Jun 16 06:45:25 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 03:45:25 PDT Subject: HW: Rickies (was HW: Current Hawk Situation) Message-ID: >On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:32:41 -0700, you sent through the ether: > >> (and do all the bass players on the list play the >>same MODEL bass, at least on the HW side ;^)?) > > >Nope.. Fender Mustang cos I`ve got tiny hands.. :) >...now if only they`d make a Kiddiebacker.. > >S. > Me neither, I've a handmade Patrick Eggle 5. But I would swap for a 5 or 8 stringed Rickie any day. Chris ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Tue Jun 16 06:51:38 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:51:38 +0100 Subject: 100 Word SF - Lyrics Message-ID: OK - here's my lyrics entry (no verse yet): [Verse] The Earth moves slowly, time stands still, I'll see you in the future, I promise I will... [But] I'm frozen in my time machine, Lost and lonely, drifting into eternity, I saw the answer in a dream, Equations send me spinning into infinity [What will become of me?] I also have half a tune, so if anyone's in the London area and feels like taking this further... Kevin Perry Technical Manager Wide Multimedia http://www.wide.co.uk/ From mumford at ONLINE.NO Tue Jun 16 07:20:41 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:20:41 +0200 Subject: HW: news Message-ID: Wow! I will post some here as 'tis not to be missed... some fairly cryptic releases -- At the moment awaiting release are - 1) Hawkwind In Your Area 2) Dave Brock - Looking For Love In The Lost Land of Dreams 3) Psy Warriers Vol. 2 4) Hawkwind Family 5) Hawkwind - 1989 Travellers Field Glastonbury Live 6) Hawkwind Live 1976 Also videos 1979 - 1998. Some are bootleg quality. All of each show per year will be available through Hawkwind Merchandise. Watch this space. . . . . > Hi > > > Have a look at: > > > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/ > > > > > Bernhard > Chr. "The dead man is sexy" From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Tue Jun 16 07:23:07 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:23:07 +0100 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet, _Powertrip_ In-Reply-To: <644092.3105710864@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Jun 1998, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Goddam. Does Monster Magnet rip off Hawkwind's "Time We Left > (This World Today)" riff on "Bummer" or *what*? :) > > The verdict so far: I like it. Oh lord! That's where I'd heard it before! I like it too, but I still think 'Superjudge' is my favourite. This one has a song on with lyrics I can understand, after all... Jon (back on again until Friday before my access goes again... ) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 16 08:15:36 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:15:36 +0100 Subject: HW: Rickies (was HW: Current Hawk Situation) Message-ID: >>> (and do all the bass players on the list play the >>>same MODEL bass, at least on the HW side ;^)?) >> >>Nope.. Fender Mustang cos I`ve got tiny hands.. :) >>...now if only they`d make a Kiddiebacker.. You must have small hands! I always thought Ricks were fairly well suited towards small hands, compared to some other basses. Well, shows what I know :) > Me neither, I've a handmade Patrick Eggle 5. > But I would swap for a 5 or 8 stringed Rickie any day. I wouldn't know what to do with more than 4 strings on a bass :) [warning: unashamed musiciany gushing follows :) ] But more importantly, I love my '76 4001 (probably even more than my Gibson LP Std, but shhh! Don't tell it!). The wiring and pickups have both been messed around with, the neck is like a a proverbial dream, and it can definitely for sure make a heck of a noise :) Last week I stood in on bass for some guys at an impromptu performance (when the headline act for a gig didn't show up and there was some time to kill :) and played through a borrowed Ampeg stack. Yeeeeooow! What a sound! Beat the heck out of my knackered old Peavey TNT 160. Rendered the little DOD bass distortion pedal I have pretty damn redundant :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 16 08:22:38 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:22:38 +0100 Subject: HW: Current Hawk Situation Message-ID: On m?n 15 jun 1998 14.32 -0700 "Doug Pearson" wrote: > But, for the most part, he did a > great job of keeping up while playing WITH HIS FINGERS! That's what really > blew me away; how many other HW bassists besides Adrian Shaw have played > without a pick? There's no way I could play that fast and hard without one Nor I! I play a lot of bass these days since whenever there's a jam session there's also about a million guitar players (actually, most recently I played a lot of _drums_ since there's an even greater shortage of drummers!). But I'm really a transplanted guitar player and tend to treat the bass like a guitar (either follow the riff or solo like a bastard :) and generally use a pick. Never learned any proper bass technique (nor guitar technique for that matter!). Playing and singing together is tough on me--I _can_ do it, but er ... not well :) It would need practice. Although, for the stuff that Lemmy did in HW or MH I can about keep up with since he mostly wallops away on the root or a chord while singing, it seems to me :) Not that I can sing very well :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Tue Jun 16 09:31:10 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:31:10 +0000 Subject: HW: Attn. Allan Grohe In-Reply-To: <9453723.35858eff@aol.com> Message-ID: >I apologize for posting this publicly. > >Allan, in response to your question: > >The Griffin CotBS has these bonus tracks: > >Arioch >The War I Survived (Live) >Voice Inside Your Head (Live) > >Chuck Alan/Chuck - did you know that the live tracks are from the April 1998 BBC broadcast (Hammersmith Odeon Gig)? A full hour of a classic set with one of the longest lasting HW line-ups! Guy From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Tue Jun 16 09:51:28 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:51:28 +0000 Subject: HW: Rickies and other fine Axes! In-Reply-To: <346319.3106991736@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: Now then folks, if we're talking axes, I play a hand made 12 string elctric - made it myself, using bits of a Westone, customising the headstock, in order to accomadate the extra M-heads! Before I re-built that guitar, it was identical to the one that Westone gave to Dave B back in the early eighties, (Westone Paduak - MK1) I painted mine, with the cover of the Warior LP, Dave saw it, and decided that his HAD to be painted the same way! (So now you all know!) Dave then changed his P/U as the original Westone P/U weas damned loud, but with as much sound quality as a farting cow! Unfortunately, I damaged the body on mine, and so, when I re-built it into a 12 string, it lost the hand-painted finish! Mine also acquired new P/Us too. I've also currently got a superb Bass that I made a few years back (Any offers welcome?) Maple Precission Blue Body, Ibanez Jazz-Bass Pick up, Left handed Double Eagle neck (even tho it's a R/H guitar!), gold hardware, quite a unique instrument - lovely rich sound and great action! Sustains like the Custom-3 Les Paul in Spinal Tap, even while you're having your cup of tea! I suspect tho, that I'm like most people. I can sing, and I can (sort of!!) play Bass and/or Rhythm guitar. I CAN'T do both together tho - not even "Spirit of the Age" and that's only two chords! We ought to get together another HW tribute band, and play at the proposed private gig! From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Tue Jun 16 08:56:44 1998 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:56:44 +0200 Subject: HW: Attn. Allan Grohe Message-ID: >Alan/Chuck - did you know that the live tracks are from the April 1998 BBC >broadcast (Hammersmith Odeon Gig)? The exact recording date was 22.04.1988 >Guy Bernhard From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 16 09:14:53 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:14:53 +0100 Subject: HW: Rickies and other fine Axes! Message-ID: On tis 16 jun 1998 13.51 +0000 LN1GJT wrote: > We ought to get together another HW tribute band, and play at the proposed > private gig! I am _there_ for that! :) Anyone has a space for a HW tribute session and I'll travel the length of Britain to get there. The mighty BOC-L Hawkwind Philharmonic Orchestra! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jun 16 09:16:26 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:16:26 +0100 Subject: HW: Rickies and other fine Axes! In-Reply-To: <560271.3106995293@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > I am _there_ for that! :) Anyone has a space for a HW tribute > session and I'll travel the length of Britain to get there. The > mighty BOC-L Hawkwind Philharmonic Orchestra! Dontcha mean the BOC-L Hawkwind Philthy Animal Orchestra! - Andy ObCD: Attilio Mineo - _Man in Space with Sounds_ mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Tue Jun 16 09:28:42 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:28:42 +0100 Subject: HW: Rickies and other fine Axes! In-Reply-To: <560271.3106995293@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: Yes! Why not a Hawks tribute band anyway, not just for the private gig? Anyone remember Friends and Relations? I seem to recall they were the only official tribute band, and they split up 2-3 years ago. Kevin Perry Technical Manager Wide Multimedia http://www.wide.co.uk/ > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On Behalf Of Carl Edlund Anderson > Sent: 16 June 1998 14:13 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: HW: Rickies and other fine Axes! > > On tis 16 jun 1998 13.51 +0000 LN1GJT > wrote: > > We ought to get together another HW tribute band, and play at the > proposed > > private gig! > > I am _there_ for that! :) Anyone has a space for a HW tribute > session and I'll travel the length of Britain to get there. The > mighty BOC-L Hawkwind Philharmonic Orchestra! > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic > St. John's College, University of Cambridge > mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk > http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 16 09:33:25 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:33:25 +0100 Subject: Kinetic Playground Message-ID: someone posted re seeing this as a CD. Could they resend to me please? I lost the email. Cheers FoFP From chrisr at TIAC.NET Tue Jun 16 09:41:37 1998 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:41:37 -0400 Subject: HW: Attn. Allan Grohe Message-ID: LN1GJT wrote: > >I apologize for posting this publicly. > > > >Allan, in response to your question: > > > >The Griffin CotBS has these bonus tracks: > > > >Arioch > >The War I Survived (Live) > >Voice Inside Your Head (Live) > > > >Chuck > > Alan/Chuck - did you know that the live tracks are from the April 1998 BBC > broadcast (Hammersmith Odeon Gig)? A full hour of a classic set with one of > the longest lasting HW line-ups! > > Guy Do you mean 1988?Chris -- As long as our spiritual needs are met, our living problems are reduced to the point of comfort (BT 5th ed) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 16 09:54:44 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:54:44 +0100 Subject: OFF: Masters of Reality Message-ID: On m?n 15 jun 1998 23.17 +0100 "Andy Gilham" wrote: > Quick note, if not a review, to say it was a dead good gig! > Catch 'em if they come near you! Amen. That is definitely up near the top of recently seen gigs for me. Damn fine show. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From mpower at FCMC.COM Tue Jun 16 09:54:36 1998 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:54:36 -0400 Subject: SpaceRock Bassists play... Message-ID: Steve Pond wrote: > On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:32:41 -0700, you sent through the ether: > > > (and do all the bass players on the list play the > >same MODEL bass, at least on the HW side ;^)?) > > Nope.. Fender Mustang cos I`ve got tiny hands.. :) > ...now if only they`d make a Kiddiebacker.. > > S. Since I started playing 5-string bass, I have found that I really love that low B and four string basses don't feel right any more so I sold my Fender Jazz Bass and my Yamaha four string. I now have a 5-string white ESP bass that I use at gigs and rehearsals, my backup is a black Ibanez 5-string thats mainly for recording (its quieter). I am looking for the legendary (perhaps mythical) 5-string Ricky, but haven't found one yet. In Space we Trust, Marc from BORN to GO. -- SpaceRock Central - Strange Daze 98 SpaceRock Festival - "SpaceRock is music, which, by design, expands AWARENESS, thru SPACE, MIND and TIME" Axiom I, the SpaceRock Manifesto From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 16 10:03:36 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:03:36 +0100 Subject: SpaceRock Bassists play... Message-ID: On tis 16 jun 1998 09.54 -0400 "Marc Power" wrote: > I am looking for the legendary (perhaps mythical) 5-string Ricky, > but haven't found one yet. I think I've seen threads about such things on the Rick newsgroup, but whether they exist, or are custom jobs, or are just other seekers I don't know. I didn't look closely since I have no business buying more musical instruments even if I wasn't a poor student! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Jun 16 10:07:39 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:07:39 +0800 Subject: HW: news Message-ID: >At the moment awaiting release are - >1) Hawkwind In Your Area >2) Dave Brock - Looking For Love In The Lost Land of Dreams What happened to Dave's compilation disk of various Weird Tapes material, etc.. (7696, or something like that? >3) Psy Warriers Vol. 2 Would this be Psychedelic Warriors? I wonder what the lineup is, as they were apparantly working on it when Alan was in the band. >4) Hawkwind Family Is this the other CD spoken of lately, with material from HawkFan, Alan's Elf ep, etc.? By the way, anyone know where to get Harvey's Red Shift, as well as Bedouin on CD? William From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Tue Jun 16 10:08:13 1998 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:08:13 +0200 Subject: BOC: Covers Message-ID: John A Swartz[SMTP:jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG] wrote: > Whoah, this would be a really cool set of stuff to hear! BOC doing > Led Zepplin, the Stones, the Beatles, et al? And Kinks, and Byrds, and Dylan, as well as CSN&Y, or Free.... Who would believe that? :-) -- Goran Janicijevic From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Tue Jun 16 10:08:36 1998 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:08:36 +0200 Subject: BOC: Covers Message-ID: Albert T Bouchard[SMTP:ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM] wrote: > ...Plus a whole bunch of originals that I thought we lost to the sands of > time. Cool stuff. There is one of Eric's originals called 'Highway Song' > that Joe mislabeled 'Highway Star' but it's nothing like the DP song. When > I saw the above post I had to check it out. Nothing to be found at Elektra archives? -- Goran Janicijevic From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Tue Jun 16 10:26:51 1998 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:26:51 EDT Subject: BOC: Covers Message-ID: Hey, Albert. Would you be interested in having some (or all!) of this treed on BOC-L? I'll even volunteer to run the tree! Ric From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Jun 16 10:51:57 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:51:57 -0500 Subject: BOC: Covers Message-ID: >Re: BOC: Covers >Whoah, this would be a really cool set of stuff to hear! BOC >doing Led Zepplin, the Stones, the Beatles, et al? >Maybe someday when the 15 CD BOC Box Set comes out... ;-) >John Agreed, some pretty diverse covers in the early days. My personal; preference would be for some really funky off the wall type stuff, like Maggot Brain (think Watt did a cover of this one). The current lineup has the skill to do this, however I really wish the original lineup had done some funky/groove type things in the late 70's early 80's. Al and Joe as a rythym section were tailored made for this. Oh well no more non-sensical babble, back to lurker mode. Ghost in the Ruins "We're the fragile elite they dragged off the street I guess they just couldn't take us no more..." Alice Cooper From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Jun 16 07:17:58 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:17:58 +0000 Subject: BOC: Covers Message-ID: > "We're the fragile elite they dragged off the street > I guess they just couldn't take us no more..." Alice Cooper Haha! From the Inside! I won't stray off topic too much here, but I just wanted to comment quickly...cool album, very underrated. -- Nick From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Jun 16 11:09:34 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:09:34 PDT Subject: SpaceRock Bassists play... Message-ID: >Since I started playing 5-string bass, I have found that I really >love that low B and four string basses don't feel right any more >so I sold my Fender Jazz Bass and my Yamaha four string. > > >In Space we Trust, > >Marc from BORN to GO. > That is just sooo true even when playing a song in E it's soo cool to have that D to throw in to break it up a bit. Personal faves for the Low B..... Master of the Universe Harvester of Eyes Flaming Telepaths Who was it that said they loved their Rickie more than their Les Paul? FOOL! You wouldn't say that if you had a Les Paul Junior. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK Tue Jun 16 19:25:15 1998 From: eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK (eldritch) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:25:15 -0700 Subject: HW: Attn. Allan Grohe Message-ID: It's about time that Hammersmith Odeon Radio One gig turned up on CD. My tape copy is too hammered to bother burning a CDR for :-( It really is an outstanding recording. I think it's got the best version of 'Shot Down in the Night', and an even better version of 'Moonglum' than on Live Chronicles! eldritch/rich From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 16 11:47:28 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:47:28 +0100 Subject: HW: Attn. Allan Grohe Message-ID: On tis 16 jun 1998 16.25 -0700 eldritch wrote: > It's about time that Hammersmith Odeon Radio One gig turned up on CD. An official CD release of the '92 Reading Uni gig would not be amiss either! IMO it would be _up_there_ on the live HW album scale ... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 16 12:01:16 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:01:16 +0100 Subject: SpaceRock Bassists play... Message-ID: On tis 16 jun 1998 08.09 +0000 "Horse Whisperer" wrote: > Who was it that said they loved their Rickie more than their Les Paul? > FOOL! > You wouldn't say that if you had a Les Paul Junior. Nah, I stand by it. My LP Std is a damn fine guitar, and I do indeed love it dearly (even when it's misbehaving--tuning peg blew up the other day; damn) but there are a lot of damn fine LP's. My Rick bass is actually a _superlative_ Rick over and above damn fine Ricks. I'd have a much harder time replacing it! Especially at the amazingly low price I got it for (USD 520, inc. p&p!). The custom shop guy I had work on one of the pick-ups is a long time Rick fan, and first told me he'd love to buy it and then to never sell it to anyone ;) (That pickup was the neck pickup--started life as a Telecaster "Quarter-Pounder" pickup and was rebuilt into a bass PU. Very smooth. But the bridge PU is an old Rick-specific one from Bartolini, I think. Or possibly someone else. Anyway, it's rewired with a cut-out switch on the capacitor that Rick put in the stock models there. Drop it out and the damn thing *roars*. Even on my cruddy amp :) On the Ampeg stack it was frightening ... That said, I see a lot of bands these days with Gibson guitars and Rick basses--and that's the way I like it :) Someday when I'm rich I'll slap some pickups with a little more definition in them into the LP. Then she'll start to smoke. It'll be worth start practicing again just to justify it :) But I can still do a passable Brock imitation :) [I'm wary of signature pickups, and signature gear in general, but I've heard good things about the new Iommi pickups. Anyone actually tried/heard the beggars?] Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Tue Jun 16 11:59:53 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:59:53 +0200 Subject: HW: Attn. Allan Grohe In-Reply-To: <3586FEDA.8A61B8C7@ndirect.co.uk> Message-ID: At 16:25 16.06.98 -0700, you wrote: >I think it's got the best version of 'Shot Down in the Night' I absolutely agree. SDITN on this tape is one of the best version I've ever heard except the GLASTONBURY 1981 version Bernhard From mordru at GEKKO.NET Tue Jun 16 12:14:57 1998 From: mordru at GEKKO.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:14:57 -0400 Subject: HW: Attn. Allan Grohe Message-ID: >It's about time that Hammersmith Odeon Radio One gig turned up on CD. > >My tape copy is too hammered to bother burning a CDR for :-( > >It really is an outstanding recording. > >I think it's got the best version of 'Shot Down in the Night', and an even better >version of 'Moonglum' than on Live Chronicles! ? jumping in the middle here... are you saying it's about time someone did it, or someone did it and it's about time... please forgive, I haven't been paying attention, but if it has a better version of Moonglum than LC..... ah... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at gekko.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Jun 16 12:18:36 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:18:36 PDT Subject: SpaceRock Bassists play... Message-ID: >On tis 16 jun 1998 08.09 +0000 "Horse Whisperer" > wrote: >> Who was it that said they loved their Rickie more than their Les Paul? >> FOOL! >> You wouldn't say that if you had a Les Paul Junior. > > [I'm wary of signature pickups, and signature gear in general, >but I've heard good things about the new Iommi pickups. Anyone >actually tried/heard the beggars?] > >Cheers, >Carl > Signature geetars are a mixed bag - when they're good, they're cut and shaped to exactly the famous dude's demands and is therefore a very specific guitar and if you play one you're compromising your own basic technique, and when they're bad, they're just off-the-shelf axes in 'custom' colours - a pile of pants. Pickups and amps are a different bag however. I've played the Laney Tony Iommi model and it completely rocks. It hasn't got the usual problems with fizzy high-end that the new valve Laneys have had and it's got all the crunch and beef you could ever need - and a bee-yewtiful clean tone. Who makes the Iommi pickups anyway? Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK Tue Jun 16 20:14:26 1998 From: eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK (eldritch) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:14:26 -0700 Subject: HW: Attn. Allan Grohe Message-ID: No it ain't turned up... About time it should.. Maybe Uncle Dave is saving it for his pension :-) So we won't have too long to wait.. Just out of interest whats the Travellers Aid Trust LP like.. I've got a copy but no record deck :-) eldritch/rich ObCd: The Wicker Man OST(when it turns up at my door) From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue Jun 16 12:30:32 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:30:32 -0400 Subject: BOC: Watt plays BOC on radio? Message-ID: I was just on Mike Watt's page http://hootpage.com . Watt is going to DJ for KBLT (Hollywood, CA area) and play "the tunes I bring up from my pad." If anyone on BOC-L can pick up KBLT, it might be interesting to find out what BOC he plays (if any.) Here's the low-down: KBLT 104.7 FM Friday, June 19th 8-10 p.m. Brian obCD> Mike Watt "Piss-Bottle Man" w/Domanance & Submission From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jun 16 13:06:01 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:06:01 EDT Subject: SpaceRock Bassists play... In-Reply-To: <1064663.3107005276@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: From: Carl Edlund Anderson > That said, I see a lot of bands these days with Gibson guitars > and Rick basses--and that's the way I like it :) > Gov't Mule uses Gibson gtrs AND basses. Woody usually uses a semi-hollowbdy ES-style bass. What model's that? Also uses a SG-type [EB-3?] and Thunderbirds. I had a great T-bird once that I foolishly sold... Guy in Bevis Frond [ex-HW?] used a EB-3 when I saw them a few weeks back. Beautiful sound. LPs wax and wane in popularity but never go away. Around here, the only gtr anyone plays is a Strat... > [I'm wary of signature pickups, and signature gear in general, > but I've heard good things about the new Iommi pickups. Anyone > actually tried/heard the beggars?] > Haven't heard them personally, but they've gotten good reviews. I've always had great results with Duncan JBs, and the PAF-type model 's great too... > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic > St. John's College, University of Cambridge > mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk > http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ > theo .............. '...Cause it makes me mad, And I get evil as a man can be...' --A.K. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Jun 16 13:26:42 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:26:42 -0400 Subject: SpaceRock Bassists play... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: > From: Carl Edlund Anderson > > > That said, I see a lot of bands these days with Gibson guitars > > and Rick basses--and that's the way I like it :) > > > Gov't Mule uses Gibson gtrs AND basses. Woody usually uses a > semi-hollowbdy ES-style bass. What model's that? Also uses a When I saw them live last month, he played the weirdest thing I've ever seen: a double-necked bass/mandolin guitar (for that "John the Revelator" part) for quite a bit of the gig. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Govt. Mule, _Dose_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 16 13:58:18 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:58:18 +0100 Subject: SpaceRock Bassists play... Message-ID: On tis 16 jun 1998 13.06 +0000 "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" wrote: > Carl wrote: >> [I'm wary of signature pickups, and signature gear in general, >> but I've heard good things about the new Iommi pickups. Anyone >> actually tried/heard the beggars?] >> > Haven't heard them personally, but they've gotten good reviews. I've > always had great results with Duncan JBs, and the PAF-type model > 's great too... Come to think of it, I think Gibson has given the the PAF stamp to the Iommi models ... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 16 14:02:21 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:02:21 +0100 Subject: SpaceRock Bassists play... Message-ID: On tis 16 jun 1998 09.18 +0000 "Horse Whisperer" wrote: > Signature geetars are a mixed bag - when they're good, they're cut and > shaped to exactly the famous dude's demands and is therefore a very > specific guitar and if you play one you're compromising your own basic > technique, and when they're bad, they're just off-the-shelf axes in > 'custom' colours - a pile of pants. Yeah, that was my feeling about 'em. The only performer's guitar I need is mine :) > Pickups and amps are a different bag however. I've played the Laney > Tony Iommi model and it completely rocks. It hasn't got the usual > problems with fizzy high-end that the new valve Laneys have had and it's > got all the crunch and beef you could ever need - and a bee-yewtiful > clean tone. Man, I haven't had a stadium to try the full-bore Iommi model in, but I still think the regular Laney valve amps are pretty good for the price. I think I'd be tempted to get one if I were getting a new amp. Maybe a 50w head or something. 100w valve head is probably a lot more power than I'll ever need! > Who makes the Iommi pickups anyway? Gibson. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Tue Jun 16 14:20:35 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David Greenhalgh) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:20:35 +0100 Subject: HW: news Message-ID: William Duffy wrote: > >At the moment awaiting release are - > >1) Hawkwind In Your Area > >2) Dave Brock - Looking For Love In The Lost Land of Dreams > > What happened to Dave's compilation disk of various Weird Tapes material, > etc.. (7696, or something like that? > > >3) Psy Warriers Vol. 2 > > Would this be Psychedelic Warriors? I wonder what the lineup is, as they > were apparantly working on it when Alan was in the band. > > >4) Hawkwind Family > > Is this the other CD spoken of lately, with material from HawkFan, Alan's > Elf ep, etc.? > > By the way, anyone know where to get Harvey's Red Shift, as well as Bedouin > on CD? > > William Try www.imvs.com I haven't had a look for Red Shift, but Bedouin is certainly there (I just bought mine from them.) Dave From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Jun 16 15:09:27 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:09:27 +0100 Subject: OFF: Masters of Reality In-Reply-To: <000001bd98ab$7124ab20$943f63c3@default> Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: >Quick note, if not a review, to say it was a dead good gig! > >He's a big bugger, Chris Goss! Yup - from my PoV it's good to see someone on stage with less hair & as much body as myself :-{)> >Rest of the band was (If I caught their names right) Brendan McNeil, gtr, McNicol, I thought...but could be wrong. >Paul Powell bass, John Leamy drums. >"Domino" was awesome and the excuse for much stage diving. (I was worried >ChrisW would join in!! :)) And at the end CG wandered into the mosh right >next to us and sang most intensely. Wicked. > >Catch 'em if they come near you! And any band that lays in to Don Nix's "Going Down" like that is OK by me. As for the stage diving, I did think about it, but then I thought about the poor bastards who might cop for 16st. (225lbs) of me on their noggins! ChrisW OBservation: I must be a fan, I've been out and bought WotT (now playing) Free your mind & watch your ass! From OE3 at AOL.COM Tue Jun 16 16:26:34 1998 From: OE3 at AOL.COM (Eddie Williamson) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:26:34 EDT Subject: BOC: mike watt, kblt Message-ID: In a message dated 6/16/98 9:28:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, brianh at PULLEYN.COM writes: << I was just on Mike Watt's page http://hootpage.com . Watt is going to DJ for KBLT (Hollywood, CA area) and play "the tunes I bring up from my pad." If anyone on BOC-L can pick up KBLT, it might be interesting to find out what BOC he plays (if any.) Here's the low-down: KBLT 104.7 FM Friday, June 19th 8-10 p.m. Brian obCD> Mike Watt "Piss-Bottle Man" w/Domanance & Submission >> yes, i can pick up kblt. i live in the silver lake part of los angeles and the station is down the street from me in some chick's bedroom. (it's a pirate radio station.) i am a substitute d.j. at the station and have already indoctrinated kblt to the ways of the cult. i think i played "career of evil". kblt's signal is weak and can only be heard if you live or are travelling through the uber-hip indie enclave of silver lake/east hollywood. this is where beck and the beastie boys live--the frontiersmen of original late '90s rock. From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Jun 16 16:39:12 1998 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:39:12 PDT Subject: BOC: Fun with lyrics Message-ID: Hi Kids! Hey, get this. I was on my lunch hour today and I kicked back in a chair and closed my eyes and just let the crazy morning I had fade away. I started thinking of BOC lyrics and in the state my mind was in I started twisting one of the new songs on Heaven Forbid. It made me chuckle, and before I knew it lunch was over and I had done the whole song. So this is pretty much what I got accomplished today. Enjoy!!! ------------------------------------- HAIRY BACK I took off my shirt last summer didn't see anybody around When suddenly... man what a bummer I heard that laughing sound Everybody pointed and chuckled there was no place for me to escape I felt like a Monkey's Uncle cuz I looked like a freakin' ape Got a HAIRY BACK. HAIRY BACK Look like a walking lawn Got a HAIRY BACK. HAIRY BACK Like I've got a sweater on You might wanna call me Magilla And that isn't far off track You'll swear to God I'm a gorilla soon as you see my Hairy Back Got a HAIRY BACK. HAIRY BACK Look like a walking lawn Got a HAIRY BACK. HAIRY BACK Like I've got a sweater on ------------------------------------------ Don't be afraid to sing along with me at the 6/25 show in New Hartford!!! HA HA HA!!! :^D Torgo (aka Harvest Loon) Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** Torgo at norwich.net DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos *********************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jun 16 17:03:04 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:03:04 EDT Subject: showtime gig In-Reply-To: <19980616203913.25515.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > From: Torgo Sedler > Don't be afraid to sing along with me at the 6/25 show in New > Hartford!!! HA HA HA!!! :^D > > Torgo (aka Harvest Loon) > I'll be seeing ya there Torg. How 'bout you, Brian? Either of you gonna make it to Big Flats? theo .............. '...Cause it makes me mad, And I get evil as a man can be...' --A.K. From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue Jun 16 17:31:05 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:31:05 -0400 Subject: BOC: showtime gig Message-ID: I'll be at New Hartford (and at Casa Too Mucha across the street- Gotta test Torgo's assertion that it has the _best_ Mexican food...) I'm taking Friday off, but I don't think I'll head down to Big Flats. The ticket price is a little high to see a shortened BOC set and 2 bands I don't care if I see or not. Brian P.S. As far as singing "Hairy Back" it depends on how many beers I've had and how many large Neanderthal types are standing near me at the time! >> From: Torgo Sedler >> Don't be afraid to sing along with me at the 6/25 show in New >> Hartford!!! HA HA HA!!! :^D >> >> Torgo (aka Harvest Loon) >> >I'll be seeing ya there Torg. How 'bout you, Brian? >Either of you gonna make it to Big Flats? >theo >.............. > >'...Cause it makes me mad, >And I get evil as a man can be...' > --A.K. From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 15 15:27:50 1998 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:27:50 +0100 Subject: HW:Warrior+EMI/ramble remastering/state of affairs? In-Reply-To: <199806141309.PAA27251@online.no> Message-ID: In article <199806141309.PAA27251 at online.no>, Christian000Mumford writes >> Does anyone know if EMI are going to do a remaster of Warrior as they >have >> done with their other LPs? They made such a good job of the rest it's a >> shame that it's missing! >> >> eldritch >> > >Does anyone know the excact story why they have not done this already?? I >know it has something to do with sub-licencing etc. as the CD has been on >different labels than the other UA/EMI discs (they've been on CD (in >UK) on EMI, why Warrior on Dojo?). I don't know where I got this idea from but I was under the impression there was some problem with the master tapes - like the originals no longer exist or something. I hope that's not the case though! I would be willing to bet a virtual fiver that Motorhead on the DoJo release was transfered from vinyl. >And what about the Charisma/76-78 era?? Astounding/Quark/PXR5/Hawklords 25 >Years On (maybe even the Hawklords Live on the same disc?), those 4 albums >are as classic as the early ones. Yes! That would be fantastic! >I'd see no point in remastering... >(like who needs a remaster of Levitation!?) I would out of curiosity. I don't really know what I am talking about here but I would expect that the original master wouldn't be 44KHz 16bit (CD standard?) so you would probably need to resample it. With fancy things like super bitmapping and such, I wouldn't be surprised if you could end up with something sounding marginally better. Anyone got the dope on Warrior and digital masters? -- Mark Edmonds From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jun 16 17:45:19 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:45:19 EDT Subject: BOC: showtime gig In-Reply-To: <329A5258416CD111928F006008A62C76353042@bpxsv.156.106.206.in-addr.arpa> Message-ID: > From: brian halligan > I'll be at New Hartford (and at Casa Too Mucha across the street- Gotta > test Torgo's assertion that it has the _best_ Mexican food...) I'm > taking Friday off, but I don't think I'll head down to Big Flats. The > ticket price is a little high to see a shortened BOC set and 2 bands I > don't care if I see or not. I'm still on the fence for Big Flats. If I can talk my buddy into driving, maybe I'll make it. Showtime for sure... > P.S. As far as singing "Hairy Back" it depends on how many beers I've > had and how many large Neanderthal types are standing near me at the > time! > I guess you don't consider me a Neanderthal? No hair on this back, apart from what's hanging down from my head... theo .............. '...Cause it makes me mad, And I get evil as a man can be...' --A.K. From hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM Tue Jun 16 18:42:33 1998 From: hawkwind at INTERACCESS.COM (Randy) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:42:33 -0500 Subject: HW: news Message-ID: William wrote: >By the way, anyone know where to get Harvey's Red Shift, as well as Bedouin >on CD? Ya i just got the Freak Emporium catalog and they have them listed in it... web page at: http://www.delerium.co.uk/freakemp/frkmptop.html >William Randy From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Tue Jun 16 19:17:43 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (SPRAWL) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:17:43 -0400 Subject: HW:Warrior+EMI/ramble remastering/state of affairs? Message-ID: the WHOLE dojo cd is from vinyl. the griffin doesnt seem to be tho. if the dojo isnt, i wonder why i got those annoying tiks al the way thru it, barely audible... rj Mark Edmonds wrote: > I don't know where I got this idea from but I was under the impression > there was some problem with the master tapes - like the originals no > longer exist or something. I hope that's not the case though! I would be > willing to bet a virtual fiver that Motorhead on the DoJo release was > transfered from vinyl. > > >And what about the Charisma/76-78 era?? Astounding/Quark/PXR5/Hawklords 25 > >Years On (maybe even the Hawklords Live on the same disc?), those 4 albums > >are as classic as the early ones. > > Yes! That would be fantastic! > > >I'd see no point in remastering... > >(like who needs a remaster of Levitation!?) > > I would out of curiosity. I don't really know what I am talking about > here but I would expect that the original master wouldn't be 44KHz 16bit > (CD standard?) so you would probably need to resample it. With fancy > things like super bitmapping and such, I wouldn't be surprised if you > could end up with something sounding marginally better. > > Anyone got the dope on Warrior and digital masters? > > -- > Mark Edmonds From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Tue Jun 16 18:15:42 1998 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:15:42 +0100 Subject: boc-l tape swap Message-ID: Sorry if I missed this but has a date been set as to when we`re all surposed to pass on our tapes. I assume we just send them to the same person again so as to form a ring. Si ----- "I`ve got 'some' answers to 'most' of your questions!" The Alice Cooper Trivia File - http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/intro.html My Tubes Page - http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/7998/ From hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET Tue Jun 16 19:33:19 1998 From: hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:33:19 -0500 Subject: HW: Re News Message-ID: > Hi > > > Have a look at: > > > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hwind/ > > Wow all those titles are set for release? Why isn't there anything on www.hawkwind.com about this stuff. And what about the October U.S. tour, anybody know what the scoop is there? -- DAN WITT ST. CLOUD, MN -- MINNEAPOLIS, MN USA From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Jun 16 19:44:57 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:44:57 +0100 Subject: HW:Warrior+EMI/ramble remastering/state of affairs? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 20:27 15/06/98 +0100, you wrote: >--snip--< >>I'd see no point in remastering... >>(like who needs a remaster of Levitation!?) > >I would out of curiosity. I don't really know what I am talking about >here but I would expect that the original master wouldn't be 44KHz 16bit >(CD standard?) so you would probably need to resample it. With fancy >things like super bitmapping and such, I wouldn't be surprised if you >could end up with something sounding marginally better. Since 44/16 (CD) is about the lowest standard (apart from some digital radio), if it was digitally recorded it would be at least that good - the problem with old digital recordings is usually that the engineers hadn't got to grips with the "nasties" at the time e.g. a lot of people got caught out by overload distortion in the digital realm - analogue degrades & saturates relatively gradually & gracefully, whereas with digital it sort of hits a brick wall. It's a bit like the difference between valve & transistor guitar amps, and I think we all know that there's not much better than an overdriven Marshall stack! > >Anyone got the dope on Warrior and digital masters? > Warrior is probably pre-digital (except maybe the early experiments with live direct to stereo 2-track on a Sony U-matic video?) ChrisW Free your mind & watch your ass! From mumford at ONLINE.NO Tue Jun 16 21:19:47 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 03:19:47 +0200 Subject: 100 Word SF - Lyrics Message-ID: Kevin Perry wrote: > OK - here's my lyrics entry (no verse yet): > > [Verse] > > The Earth moves slowly, time stands still, > I'll see you in the future, I promise I will... > > [But] I'm frozen in my time machine, > Lost and lonely, drifting into eternity, > I saw the answer in a dream, > Equations send me spinning into infinity > [What will become of me?] > > I also have half a tune, so if anyone's in the London area and feels like > taking this further... > ok, I'll take a shot continuing this, sorry about disregarding structure/rhyme etc. (consider it primordial piscean putty to be screwed with at will ;^) As the past is dissolved, my mind stays revolved 'round its anchor, a sailor of space with blanked out face I head for the void, all my motives devoid of purpose My focus to prove, that by will I may move to some time and place - which is NOWHERE! The dials they blink and my fingers they sink into liquid and steam For all now I see is an image of me - dissolviiiiing! As I'm engulfed in my brain, my equations remain completely insane and as I go there I laugh at the now ... for it's future! The vacuum of space it tears off my face and my undying soul is flayed from its body - dissected..! And on Earth down below I glimpse cards shuffling slow Yet I steal this last laugh - for this joker knows where they will all go: into every direction of chaaaaoooos! (continues into insane looooong scream and crazed laughter and fades to the crackling of hellfire - yes no sound in space but who gives a shit) BTW if its ever recorded I ought to do the end bit cos I can do it darn well - or maybe I should just send it to Peter Hammill. Chr. "Your work is upbeat, refreshing, relaxing, and so very positive about the importance, beauty, and vitality of Nature and life itself. . . . Keep up the good work!" - R. Keese, Longview, Texas From chrisr at TIAC.NET Tue Jun 16 22:33:03 1998 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:33:03 -0400 Subject: HW:Warrior+EMI/ramble remastering/state of affairs? Message-ID: SPRAWL wrote: > the WHOLE dojo cd is from vinyl. the griffin doesnt seem to be tho. > if the dojo isnt, i wonder why i got those annoying tiks al the way thru > it, barely audible... > rj > I was under the impression when Warrior came out on Dojo, that it was recorded from Brian Tawn's vinyl copy. At least that is what I was told at that time.Chris From StevenTice at AOL.COM Wed Jun 17 01:43:34 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 01:43:34 EDT Subject: BOC: Fun with lyrics Message-ID: Oh, I love this game! A lot of times songs will develop spontaneous alternate lyrics when I'm singing along with them...:-) Here are a few of my favorites from Heaven Forbid... I'd like to sneeze on your back (I'd like to sneeze on your back) (repeat forever :-) The power of the knees/The power of the knees/The power of the knees, this pair! In the cold gray light of dawn, you can't hide your tooth, you can't hide your tooth in the drawer! Hmmm, maybe Bloom songs lend themselves to this or something... SET From hawklrd at ROPNET.RU Wed Jun 17 03:12:20 1998 From: hawklrd at ROPNET.RU (Dmitri Lapitski) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:12:20 +0400 Subject: SpaceRock Bassists play... Message-ID: Hi! just a question about bass guitars. What do you think about Alvarez bass guitars? Dmitri -- Therion Official Russian Site and Therion Mailing List: http://www.internet.msk.ru/therion/ Cyber Design Pro: http://www.internet.msk.ru From acobley at COMPUTING.DUNDEE.AC.UK Wed Jun 17 03:55:46 1998 From: acobley at COMPUTING.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy C) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:55:46 +0100 Subject: HW: Spam using hawkwinds name and domain name Message-ID: Just got this: , seems some one is using the Hawkwind name and domain in vain ! Someone care to do something about it ? 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This is capt rizz'z doing again, isn't it? -- Jon From arjanh at CS.VU.NL Wed Jun 17 04:17:44 1998 From: arjanh at CS.VU.NL (Hulsebos A) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:17:44 +0200 Subject: HW: Spam using hawkwinds name and domain name In-Reply-To: Andy C "HW: Spam using hawkwinds name and domain name" (Jun 17, 8:55am) Message-ID: On Jun 17, 8:55am, Andy C wrote: >Just got this: , seems some one is using the >Hawkwind name and domain in vain ! > > >Someone care to do something about it ? I'm afraid there's not a lot that can be done about it. What probably has happened is that the spammer has found a brain-dead mail relayer, that doesn't check the validity of the return address. So the mail message says: From: nice.guy at i.am.not.a.spammer , but the message itself comes from: spam.generator.devil.org [666.666.666.666] As long as such relayers are around, there's not a lot that can be done. Mailing the spammed site that they've been abused might raise awareness, but they're usually already inundated by complaints...... Cheers, Arjan H -- Disclaimer? Whaddayamean, disclaimer? This is 1998! Arjan Hulsebos -- arjanh at cs.vu.nl For more info (last updated June 5,1998): finger -l arjanh at top.cs.vu.nl From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jun 17 04:17:11 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:17:11 +0100 Subject: boc-l tape swap In-Reply-To: <01bd9974$4d37cac0$cd5abcc3@pc> Message-ID: Pass it on when you're ready. There's no way, with the vagaries of international postal services, we'll approach military discipline on this. Don't hog a tape if you really like it though! :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Si Halley > Sent: 16 June 1998 23:16 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: boc-l tape swap > > > Sorry if I missed this but has a date been set as to when we`re > all surposed > to pass on our tapes. I assume we just send them to the same > person again so > as to form a ring. > > Si > > ----- > "I`ve got 'some' answers to 'most' of your questions!" > The Alice Cooper Trivia File - > http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/intro.html > My Tubes Page - http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/7998/ > From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Jun 17 05:16:22 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:16:22 +0100 Subject: BOC: Simpsons reference (was: Re: BOC: "No-Zilla") Message-ID: Nick English wrote: > > > BTW, how can we convince Matt Groening to put a BOC reference on > the > > > show? : ) > > > > He already has. In the episode in which Homer enrolls as a freak on > a > > Lollapalooza-style travelling rock festival, he tries to strengthen > his > > resolve when faced with taking an undoubtedly-fatal cannonball to > the > > gut by saying "Don't fear the reaper." A pretty obvious BOC > reference, > > IMHO. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Paul. > > I saw that episode...didn't catch that line...either that or just > don't remember it. I'll have to pay attention next time the rerun > comes on. > > -- Nick I did - and vaguely remember the reference... Mind you, the Simpsons aren't, Never have been, and probably never will be funny. At all. (Oops, cat among pigeons time...) Cheers, Rich. ** "You totally ruined my performance, man." ** From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Jun 17 05:18:37 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:18:37 +0100 Subject: HW: Rickies (was HW: Current Hawk Situation) Message-ID: Horse Whisperer wrote: > >On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:32:41 -0700, you sent through the ether: > > > >> (and do all the bass players on the list play the > >>same MODEL bass, at least on the HW side ;^)?) > > > > > >Nope.. Fender Mustang cos I`ve got tiny hands.. :) > >...now if only they`d make a Kiddiebacker.. > > > >S. > > > > Me neither, I've a handmade Patrick Eggle 5. > But I would swap for a 5 or 8 stringed Rickie any day. > > Chris > > You jest, surely? Cheers, Rich. ** "Chrysoprasia?" ** From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Jun 17 05:20:27 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:20:27 +0100 Subject: 100 Word SF - Lyrics Message-ID: Kevin Perry wrote: > OK - here's my lyrics entry (no verse yet): > > [Verse] > > The Earth moves slowly, time stands still, > I'll see you in the future, I promise I will... > > [But] I'm frozen in my time machine, > Lost and lonely, drifting into eternity, > I saw the answer in a dream, > Equations send me spinning into infinity > [What will become of me?] > > I also have half a tune, so if anyone's in the London area and feels > like > taking this further... > > Kevin Perry > Technical Manager > Wide Multimedia > http://www.wide.co.uk/ Wanna bass player in E15? (Oh, and if you're in London you can come and see BEER POWERED NOISE FRENZY.) Cheers, Rich. ** "How's it goin', Pulger?" ** From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Jun 17 05:26:05 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:26:05 +0100 Subject: HW: Rickies and other fine Axes! Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On tis 16 jun 1998 13.51 +0000 LN1GJT > wrote: > > We ought to get together another HW tribute band, and play at the > proposed > > private gig! > > I am _there_ for that! :) Anyone has a space for a HW tribute > session and I'll travel the length of Britain to get there. The > mighty BOC-L Hawkwind Philharmonic Orchestra! I can see the posters now... "The mighty BOC-L Hawkwind Philharmonic Orchestra! With a thousand bass players!" Cheers, Rich. ** "Come on everybody there's no time to waste, ** ** Ernie Ball, Rotosound, Zildjian and Paiste." ** From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Wed Jun 17 06:29:04 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:29:04 +0000 Subject: HW:Warrior+EMI/ramble remastering/state of affairs? In-Reply-To: <35872ADF.4F05B85A@tiac.net> Message-ID: SPRAWL wrote: >> the WHOLE dojo cd is from vinyl. the griffin doesnt seem to be tho. >> if the dojo isnt, i wonder why i got those annoying tiks al the way thru >> it, barely audible... >> rj >> > >I was under the impression when Warrior came out on Dojo, that it was recorded >from Brian Tawn's vinyl copy. At least that is what I was told at that >time. >Chris Chris, Actually, the Warrior CD was recorded from John Chase's unplayed mint vinyl copy. John as you may know, is the band's official photographer. He also designed the Business trip cover! He's also a great bloke! The version of Motorhead, came from two copies of the 7" that I had. They were both a bit scratched, and as there was a huge hurry at the time, a mint copy couldn't be traced. Both copies were copied to DAT, and cut apart, and spliced to remake an unscratched end-product, as well as being cedered! (I think that's the correct spelling! Cedering is very detailled EQing) That is why John and I get a credit on the CD! Even a re-hashed version of Motorhead was better than nothing at the time! I think I recall, Doug saying that the UK masters had actually gone missing. So, now you all know! Guy Thomas From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Jun 17 05:37:42 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:37:42 +0100 Subject: SpaceRock Bassists play... Message-ID: > > > Yeah, that was my feeling about 'em. The only performer's guitar > > I need is mine :) > Mm. I had to sell my Gibson Nighthawk a few months back... (Sniff... Sob...) to Peachy's in Braintree, Essex. If anyone on the list bought it, can I have it back? Please? Cheers, Rich. ** "T-H-O-R-K-W-U-N-G. Thankyew." ** From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jun 17 05:41:06 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 02:41:06 PDT Subject: HW: Rickies (was HW: Current Hawk Situation) Message-ID: >Horse Whisperer wrote: > >> >> Me neither, I've a handmade Patrick Eggle 5. >> But I would swap for a 5 or 8 stringed Rickie any day. >> >> Chris >> >> > > You jest, surely? > >Cheers, > >Rich. > >** "Chrysoprasia?" ** > Well p'raps you're right. I might just be saying foolish things about this. And now that I consider it, I'd like and 8-string Rickenbacher AND keep my fu**in sexy Eggle. Thank you for sorting this out for me. If anyone had offered me a swap, I might just have gone for it and really regretted it later! I did a swap once where I exchanged my gorgeous Yamaha Power V drum kit for a Gibson The Paul. I regretted losing that drumkit, but strangely I will never ever part with the guitar - it's the only Les Paul I've ever played that I like, apart from a 1967 SG. But that's another story. Chris. (HW) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From arjanh at CS.VU.NL Wed Jun 17 05:42:49 1998 From: arjanh at CS.VU.NL (Hulsebos A) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:42:49 +0200 Subject: HW:Warrior+EMI/ramble remastering/state of affairs? In-Reply-To: LN1GJT "Re: HW:Warrior+EMI/ramble remastering/state of affairs?" (Jun 17, 10:29am) Message-ID: On Jun 17, 10:29am, LN1GJT wrote: >The version of Motorhead, came from two copies of the 7" that I had. They were >both a bit scratched, and as there was a huge hurry at the time, a mint copy >couldn't be traced. Both copies were copied to DAT, and cut apart, and spliced >to remake an unscratched end-product, as well as being cedered! (I think that's >the correct spelling! Cedering is very detailled EQing) That is why John and >I get a credit on the CD! It's amazing what can be done nowadays..... Another such feat is the reconstruction of the Grateful Dead's 'Two From The Vaults': from an otherwise unusable tape to a CD, and on the fly determining that the speakers were a couple of feet further apart on the 2nd night..... How's that line again: "Wizardry is my trade"? > >Even a re-hashed version of Motorhead was better than nothing at the time! >I think I recall, Doug saying that the UK masters had actually gone missing. That seems to happen quite often! You'd think they'd be _somewhat_ careful with these things...... Cheers, Arjan H -- Disclaimer? Whaddayamean, disclaimer? This is 1998! Arjan Hulsebos -- arjanh at cs.vu.nl For more info (last updated June 5,1998): finger -l arjanh at top.cs.vu.nl From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Jun 17 05:41:15 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:41:15 +0100 Subject: BOC: Fun with lyrics Message-ID: Torgo Sedler wrote: > Hi Kids! > > Hey, get this. I was on my lunch hour today and I kicked back in a > chair > and closed my eyes and just let the crazy morning I had fade away. I > started thinking of BOC lyrics and in the state my mind was in I > started > twisting one of the new songs on Heaven Forbid. It made me chuckle, > and > before I knew it lunch was over and I had done the whole song. > > So this is pretty much what I got accomplished today. Enjoy!!! > ------------------------------------- > HAIRY BACK > > I took off my shirt last summer > didn't see anybody around > When suddenly... man what a bummer > I heard that laughing sound > > Everybody pointed and chuckled > there was no place for me to escape > I felt like a Monkey's Uncle > cuz I looked like a freakin' ape > > Got a HAIRY BACK. HAIRY BACK > Look like a walking lawn > Got a HAIRY BACK. HAIRY BACK > Like I've got a sweater on > > You might wanna call me Magilla > And that isn't far off track > You'll swear to God I'm a gorilla > soon as you see my Hairy Back > > Got a HAIRY BACK. HAIRY BACK > Look like a walking lawn > Got a HAIRY BACK. HAIRY BACK > Like I've got a sweater on > ------------------------------------------ > > It's official. Torgo is South African... :-) Cheers, Rich. ** "Gimme that beer, pig breath." ** From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Wed Jun 17 05:44:16 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:44:16 +0100 Subject: SpaceRock Bassists play... Message-ID: Dmitri Lapitski wrote: > Hi! just a question about bass guitars. What do you think about > Alvarez > bass guitars? > Arse. Cheers, Rich. ** "Snuffle, gruff." ** From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jun 17 05:55:05 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 02:55:05 PDT Subject: BOC-L Tape...Andrew Apold Message-ID: Andrew - got your tape this morning....I'll listen to it on the Walkman on the way home from work..... I've only heard of one of the bands you taped, and I've only heard two of their tracks (not the ones you recorded), so happy days!!!!!!!!1 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Wed Jun 17 06:35:34 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:35:34 +0100 Subject: 100 Word SF - Lyrics In-Reply-To: <199806170122.DAA10856@online.no> Message-ID: I like this! I may abuse it over the next few days and try to come up with a tune that fits... Kevin Perry Technical Manager Wide Multimedia http://www.wide.co.uk/ > As the past is dissolved, my mind stays revolved > 'round its anchor, > > a sailor of space with blanked out face > I head for the void, all my motives devoid of purpose > > My focus to prove, that by will I may move > to some time and place - which is NOWHERE! > > (like in "Astronomy Dominy") as the below is sung or > spoken crazily> > > The dials they blink > and my fingers they sink > into liquid and steam > For all now I see is an image of me - > dissolviiiiing! > > > > As I'm engulfed in my brain, my equations remain > completely insane and as I go there I laugh at the now > ... for it's future! > > The vacuum of space it tears off my face > and my undying soul is flayed from its body - dissected..! > And on Earth down below I glimpse cards shuffling slow > Yet I steal this last laugh - > for this joker knows where they will all go: > > into every direction of chaaaaoooos! > > (continues into insane looooong scream and > crazed laughter and fades to the crackling of hellfire - > yes no sound in space but who gives a shit) > > BTW if its ever recorded I ought to do the end bit cos I can > do it darn > well - or maybe I should just send it to Peter Hammill. > > Chr. > > "Your work is upbeat, refreshing, relaxing, and so very > positive about the > importance, beauty, and vitality of Nature and life itself. . > . . Keep up > the good work!" > - R. Keese, Longview, Texas From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Wed Jun 17 06:36:28 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:36:28 +0100 Subject: 100 Word SF - Lyrics In-Reply-To: <35878AD3.20F78AB0@geocities.com> Message-ID: > Wanna bass player in E15? (Oh, and if you're in London you > can come and > see BEER POWERED NOISE FRENZY.) > > Cheers, > > Rich. How far out is E15? I work in EC1 and I'm moving to N4 (Finsbury Park) in the next month or so. The answer's yes by the way. Kevin Perry Technical Manager Wide Multimedia http://www.wide.co.uk/ From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Jun 17 07:02:07 1998 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:02:07 +1000 Subject: HW: (Fwd) Records Message-ID: Hi folks, I can't vouch for this guy, but for what it's worth he's got a few items for sale Soniqu? ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: Date sent: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 03:01:39 EDT To: sonique at maxwell.pcmicro.com.au Subject: Records I would like to post me email on your web site, HalRom at aol.com, for any one looking for any Hawkwind vinyl records. I have a small collection of original LP's and 45's. I have all the full length Hawkwind LP's (on United Artists, RCA, etc.), Flick Knife 45's & 10" & 4 LP Picture Disc Box Set. Back On the Streets 45 on Charisma Thanks Hal -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Jun 17 07:04:09 1998 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:04:09 +1000 Subject: HW: (Fwd) Hawklords - fully autographed album+tour book. Message-ID: And another ... Soniqu? ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: Date sent: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:50:03 EDT To: sonique at maxwell.pcmicro.com.au Subject: Hawklords - fully autographed album+tour book. Looking to trade an autographed (inc. Calvert.) , Hawklords L.P. with the tour booklet for any 1970's Hawkwind videos or decent quality audio recordings from this period. Please contact Andy at Andkor at aol.com -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #3480060 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Jun 17 08:13:28 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:13:28 +0100 Subject: boc-l tape swap In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:15:42 BST." <01bd9974$4d37cac0$cd5abcc3@pc> Message-ID: > Sorry if I missed this but has a date been set as to when we`re all surposed > to pass on our tapes. I assume we just send them to the same person again so > as to form a ring. Has everybody got their first tape yet ? There only seems to have been a moderate amount of discussion on the list from a few people so far. Tim From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jun 17 08:37:10 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:37:10 -0400 Subject: SpaceRock Bassists play... Message-ID: >Also uses a SG-type [EB-3?] If it's got one pickup, it's an EB-0 - two pickups are on the EB-3 Epiphone is reissuing the EB-0's for fairly low prices. Jack Bruce imitators, line forms at the rear... >LPs wax and wane in popularity but never go away. Around here, the only gtr anyone plays is a Strat... Can't go wrong there. Marshall will buoy, but FENDER control... ;-) John From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Jun 17 08:48:24 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:48:24 -0500 Subject: OFF: Way off Basses, Alice and Loons Message-ID: "We're the fragile elite they dragged off the street > I guess they just couldn't take us no more..." Alice Cooper >Haha! From the Inside! I won't stray off topic too much here, but I just wanted to comment quickly...cool album, very underrated Stray as far as ya want Nick. I wouldn't use "underrated"... more like AWESOME. Tapemaster hit me with this one and I haven't been able to stop playing it. Oh well he (Tapemaster) did forewarn me. Bass Guitars - Doug Pinnick of King's X played a five string and a 12 string Hamer. Think he recently switched to ESP. Doug's not a good example though as he can make a tissue box, ruler and rubber bands sound great. Torgo - You Loon. Where in the world do you get this stuff? Question, will you Brian and Ted be singing this in three part harmony? Hope they play Hammerback during the set, maybe Eric will pass you the mic. I oughta forward this to Buck. 8>) Ghost in the Ruins "If you hear the sound I'm talking 'bout Then you know he's near And your time is running out Don't you fear there's nothing you can say 'Cause he'll appear and take you to the special space He'll take you there..." Dragon Fly, Mahagony Rush From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jun 17 08:48:28 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:48:28 EDT Subject: SpaceRock Bassists play... In-Reply-To: <199806171237.IAA24821@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > >Also uses a > SG-type [EB-3?] > > If it's got one pickup, it's an EB-0 - two pickups are on the EB-3 > > Epiphone is reissuing the EB-0's for fairly low prices. Jack Bruce > imitators, line forms at the rear... > Is the Epi a set neck or a bolt-on? Anyone know what the model # is for the semi-hollow body that Woody uses? theo .............. '...Cause it makes me mad, And I get evil as a man can be...' --A.K. From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Wed Jun 17 08:51:40 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:51:40 -0400 Subject: BOC: showtime gig Message-ID: Theo said: >I guess you don't consider me a Neanderthal? No hair on this back, >apart from what's hanging down from my head... You're a big guy, but you don't look much like a caveman. Those glasses just destroy the effect. ;-) I'm going to shut up now... :-) Brian obHappyFunCD> The Yardbirds "BBC Sessions" -The host's intro to "I'm a Man" is embarassingly hillarious... From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jun 17 08:50:25 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 05:50:25 PDT Subject: SpaceRock Bassists throb.. Message-ID: >>Also uses a >SG-type [EB-3?] > >If it's got one pickup, it's an EB-0 - two pickups are on the EB-3 > >Epiphone is reissuing the EB-0's for fairly low prices. Jack Bruce >imitators, line forms at the rear... > >>LPs wax and wane in popularity but never go away. Around here, the >only gtr anyone plays is a Strat... > >Can't go wrong there. Marshall will buoy, but FENDER control... ;-) > > > >John > I've a fender amp and it rocks - it just doesn't shred. Jack Bruce imitators BEWARE.......nomatter how sassy and sexy your EB-0/EB-3 may be........it will never sound like JB without an old Marshall Bass 100 head, preferably through a 4x10" or a 4x12". In fact, I suspect, if you get your technique right, that and your amp can produce an extremely Bruce-esque tone nomatter what bass you have (single coil pickups won't work). My Eggle 5 through a 1971 100w Marshall SuperBass head and a 1973 Bass 4x10" has that perfect Cream live sound - just fat and sassy. Geezer Butler copyists take careful note too. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jun 17 08:53:41 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 05:53:41 PDT Subject: OFF: Way off Basses, Alice and Loons Message-ID: Ghost in da Ruins (that man again) scribbled... >Bass Guitars - Doug Pinnick of King's X played a five string and a 12 >string Hamer. Think he recently switched to ESP. Doug's not a good >example though as he can make a tissue box, ruler and rubber bands sound great. > Doug also played an 8-string Hamer. I saw him use it the first time KX played Belfast. Ow! Didn't he actually endorse Hamer?? Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jun 17 09:11:31 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:11:31 EDT Subject: BOC: showtime gig In-Reply-To: <329A5258416CD111928F006008A62C76353044@bpxsv.156.106.206.in-addr.arpa> Message-ID: >> From: brian halligan > obHappyFunCD> The Yardbirds "BBC Sessions" -The host's intro to "I'm a > Man" is embarassingly hillarious... Hey, is this with Jeff, Pagey or EC? theo .............. '...Cause it makes me mad, And I get evil as a man can be...' --A.K. From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Wed Jun 17 05:32:05 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:32:05 +0000 Subject: OFF: Way off Basses, Alice and Loons Message-ID: > "We're the fragile elite they dragged off the street > > I guess they just couldn't take us no more..." Alice Cooper > > > >Haha! From the Inside! I won't stray off topic too much here, but I just > wanted to comment quickly...cool album, very underrated > > Stray as far as ya want Nick. I wouldn't use "underrated"... more like > AWESOME. Tapemaster hit me with this one and I haven't been able to > stop playing it. Oh well he (Tapemaster) did forewarn me. 'Millie and Billie' has got to be one of the most demented songs Alice ever wrote! 'God made love crazy so we wouldn't feel alone He was thinking of us, He was thinking of us...' -- Nick From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Wed Jun 17 09:36:20 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:36:20 -0400 Subject: BOC: showtime gig Message-ID: Beck (tracks 1-20) Page (21-26) >>> From: brian halligan > >> obHappyFunCD> The Yardbirds "BBC Sessions" -The host's intro to "I'm a >> Man" is embarassingly hillarious... > >Hey, is this with Jeff, Pagey or EC? >theo >.............. > >'...Cause it makes me mad, >And I get evil as a man can be...' > --A.K. From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Wed Jun 17 09:59:57 1998 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:59:57 +0100 Subject: BOC: Covers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "Ooh Baby Baby" - haven't heard that one for a long long time - I'd love to hear the SFG cover it. Who did the original? I wondered whether it might be Carla Thomas, but I think I'm confusing it with B-A-B-Y. - Mike Godwin From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Wed Jun 17 10:45:04 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:45:04 -0700 Subject: HW: Current Hawk Situation In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980615143241.007f1700@sirius.com> Message-ID: > ...the German pressing of WotEoT is probably the best-sounding vinyl copy > you'll find of that album (I've compared it to US & UK originals, as well > as the UK-repress) except maybe the Japanese (anyone heard that one?). > -Doug > ceres at sirius.com I have from Mike Coleman that the Japanese vinyl "blows away" the German vinyl. The German one is "bright", while the Japanese one has a "deep, beautiful bouquet." Hmmmm... Kevin Sommers ? Primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu ? http://www.psn.net/~novadrive/ From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Wed Jun 17 11:01:32 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:01:32 -0400 Subject: BOC: mike watt, kblt Message-ID: >> Here's the low-down: >> KBLT 104.7 FM >> Friday, June 19th >> 8-10 p.m. Eddie Williamson said: >yes, i can pick up kblt. i live in the silver lake part of los angeles and >the station is down the street from me in some chick's bedroom. (it's a pirate >radio station.) i am a substitute d.j. at the station and have already >indoctrinated kblt to the ways of the cult. i think i played "career of >evil". kblt's signal is weak and can only be heard if you live or are >travelling through the uber-hip indie enclave of silver lake/east hollywood. >this is where beck and the beastie boys live--the frontiersmen of original >late '90s rock. Let us know if you hear anything cool. Maybe Beck will hear Watt play "E.T.I." and decide to cover it (the lyrics are messed-up enough for him...) Brian From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Wed Jun 17 09:48:21 1998 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:48:21 +0100 Subject: boc-l tape swap Message-ID: Subject: Re: boc-l tape swap >Has everybody got their first tape yet ? Better to ask if anybody has NOT recieved their tape? >There only seems to have been a >moderate amount of discussion on the list from a few people so far. I`ve been discussing both the tapes I sent and recieved in private E-mail so as not to give the game away to future recipiants. Just my choice. Si ----- "I`ve got 'some' answers to 'most' of your questions!" The Alice Cooper Trivia File - http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/intro.html My Tubes Page - http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/7998/ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jun 17 13:07:01 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:07:01 -0400 Subject: SpaceRock Bassists play... Message-ID: > Epiphone is reissuing the EB-0's for fairly low prices. Jack Bruce > imitators, line forms at the rear... > Is the Epi a set neck or a bolt-on? I'm pretty sure it's a bolt-on. John From ToneDef2 at AOL.COM Wed Jun 17 14:14:58 1998 From: ToneDef2 at AOL.COM (ToneDef2 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:14:58 EDT Subject: BOC: Simpsons reference (was: Re: BOC: "No-Zilla") Message-ID: In a message dated 98-06-17 05:18:57 EDT, you write: >I did - and vaguely remember the reference... Mind you, the Simpsons >aren't, >Never have been, and probably never will be funny. At all. > > Yeah, the show is a little _too deep_ for some people. From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Wed Jun 17 14:12:31 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:12:31 -0700 Subject: HW:Warrior+EMI/ramble remastering/state of affairs? Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:29:04 +0000, LN1GJT uttered: >SPRAWL wrote: >>> the WHOLE dojo cd is from vinyl. the griffin doesnt seem to be tho. It's not ... see below ... >>> if the dojo isnt, i wonder why i got those annoying tiks al the way thru >>> it, barely audible... >> rj >> >Actually, the Warrior CD was recorded from John Chase's unplayed mint vinyl >copy. John as you may know, is the band's official photographer. He also >designed the Business trip cover! He's also a great bloke! > >The version of Motorhead, came from two copies of the 7" that I had ... Both >copies were copied to DAT, and cut apart, and spliced to remake an unscratched >end-product, as well as being cedered! (I think that's the correct spelling! >Cedering is very detailled EQing) That is why John and I get a credit on the >CD! Actually, the acronym is CEDAR (don't remember what it stands for), but I'll let it slide. >Even a re-hashed version of Motorhead was better than nothing at the time! >I think I recall, Doug saying that the UK masters had actually gone missing. So I suppose that we're unlikely to see a UK remaster if the original masters haven't been found yet. The Griffin 'Warrior...' was mastered from the (second- or third-generation) "safety" master taken from the Atco vaults in New York City. Not an ideal situation, but better than mastering from vinyl (although the clean-up technology is getting better and better, and I've heard CD's where it's nearly impossible to tell which tracks are from master tapes and which are from vinyl without paying VERY CAREFUL attention). >So, now you all know! -Doug ceres at sirius.com From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jun 17 15:02:32 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:02:32 +0100 Subject: BOC: Simpsons reference (was: Re: BOC: "No-Zilla") In-Reply-To: <6aa75abe.358807a3@aol.com> Message-ID: > >I did - and vaguely remember the reference... Mind you, the Simpsons > >aren't, > >Never have been, and probably never will be funny. At all. > > > > > > Yeah, the show is a little _too deep_ for some people. > What? Of course it's not deep at all. Unless you're replying to Rich's post (which was a bit of a troll, face it Rich!) by suggesting he's shallow for not sharing your tastes. It's a deeply conservative show that masquerades as being subversive, which is what I don't like about it. It does have some amusing gags, although they're mostly for geeks who can spot the references :) - Andy ObCD: Rammstein - "Das Modell" (although the Windows game is crap) mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mordru at GEKKO.NET Wed Jun 17 15:35:03 1998 From: mordru at GEKKO.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:35:03 -0400 Subject: BOC: Simpsons reference (was: Re: BOC: "No-Zilla") Message-ID: >What? Of course it's not deep at all. Unless you're replying to Rich's >post (which was a bit of a troll, face it Rich!) by suggesting he's shallow >for not sharing your tastes. It's a deeply conservative show that >masquerades as being subversive, Yeah, that was proved when they revealed that the cash register subliminally flasshes "NRA4EVR"... which is what I don't like about it. It >does have some amusing gags, although they're mostly for geeks who can spot >the references :) There are times when it seems stupid, but every once in awhile it clicks perfectly... and you get more jokes crammed into a single good episode than in an entire season of the average U.S. sitcom... Andrew, who is a proud member of the Stonecutters http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/5093/stone.htm +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at gekko.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jun 17 17:46:43 1998 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trevor thoms) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:46:43 PDT Subject: Hawkfan Gathering 98' Message-ID: >>From owner-boc-l at listserv.spc.edu Mon Jun 15 01:55:43 1998 >Received: from listserv.spc.edu (listserv at listserv.spc.edu [192.107.46.113]) > by listserv.spc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.8/SPC-2.2-NORELAY) with ESMTP id EAA04589; > Mon, 15 Jun 1998 04:52:03 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from LISTSERV.SPC.EDU by LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release > 1.8b) with spool id 140163 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Mon, 15 Jun > 1998 04:52:01 -0400 >Received: from mailgate.spc.edu (root at mailgate.spc.edu [192.107.46.158]) by > listserv.spc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.8/SPC-2.2-NORELAY) with ESMTP id EAA04582 > for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 04:52:00 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from turing.novo.dk (turing.novo.dk [152.73.87.55]) by > mailgate.spc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/SPC-3.0-NORELAY) with SMTP id EAA13829 > for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 04:51:54 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from [152.73.140.155] by turing.novo.dk > (5.65v3.2/1.1.10.5/24Mar97-0234PM) id AA18263; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 > 10:59:29 +0200 >X-Sender: shll at hri.novo.dk >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Message-ID: >Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:55:05 +0200 >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >From: Scott Heller >Subject: Hawkfan Gathering 98' >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > >357. German Hawkwind Fan Meeting 1998, Tipsy Apes HM Club, Hamburg, >Germany 6/12-13/1998 gratis > Dear Scott, Thank you for your excellent and detailed review of the festival. When I checked my e-mail on the Monday afternoon of my return to write an account of the show I was surprised that it had been done so quickly. Did you introduce yourself to me or Trev while you were there? I can't remember. We might be doing Sweden in August w/Nik -- will let you know. Best Wishes, Lori (Judgement Records) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Hawklord57 at AOL.COM Wed Jun 17 17:47:12 1998 From: Hawklord57 at AOL.COM (Duane Hoyt) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:47:12 EDT Subject: boc-l tape swap Message-ID: Hello all, yes, I did recieve my tape, and I am quite pleased with it. There are lot's of songs that I had heard of the bands, but had never investigated them. I must say, this swap has expanded my horizons. I am a bit short of time at the moment, so I will soon write the list of songs, and some opinions, and post it. At least all the songs I recieved could be considered rock. I departed from that in quite alot of songs I put on the tape I made for Chuck! See you all at the Space Daze show. Duane From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Jun 17 17:57:25 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:57:25 -0500 Subject: BOC: HF Sales Message-ID: Sorry if I haven't been playing close attention but does anybody have any sales numbers for HF? Thanks Ghost in the Ruins OB:MEGA TOUR IN THE MAKING - King's X, Galactic Cowboys and Fates Warning (Jaxx 10/8/98) From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Wed Jun 17 23:29:39 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:29:39 +0000 Subject: BOC: Simpsons reference (was: Re: BOC: "No-Zilla") Message-ID: > > >I did - and vaguely remember the reference... Mind you, the Simpsons > > >aren't, > > >Never have been, and probably never will be funny. At all. > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, the show is a little _too deep_ for some people. > > > > What? Of course it's not deep at all. Unless you're replying to Rich's > post (which was a bit of a troll, face it Rich!) by suggesting he's shallow > for not sharing your tastes. It's a deeply conservative show that > masquerades as being subversive, which is what I don't like about it. It > does have some amusing gags, although they're mostly for geeks who can spot > the references :) > > - Andy Aww...come on folks...Simpsons is a great show. Intelligent probably isn't the word...wise-ass is more like it. And I certainly don't think most of the gags are for geeks. Do those who caught Homer's 'Don't Fear the Reaper' reference agree? By the way, Andy...what exactly do you mean when you say it's a conservative show masquerading as subversive? Not that I ever really saw Simpsons as subversive, but I've never considered it conservative, either. -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Wed Jun 17 23:36:53 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:36:53 +0000 Subject: OFF: CMC info Message-ID: There's a pretty interesting article on CMC Records in this month's issue of 'Details' magazine (with Ben Affleck on the cover). Unfortunately, BOC, Deep Purple, Motorhead and a few others get only a name drop. The article is mainly about the label prez, his philosophy, history in the music biz, etc. I guess snippets of the article are a tiny bit condescening toward us fans of the 'has-been' bands of the 70s and 80s, but overall the piece is very well done. My only gripe is that the above-mentioned bands got nothing more than a mention, while the author talks in more detail with and about Judas Priest, Loverboy, Vixen and Eddie Money. It's a cool article that I think anyone on this list would get a kick out of. Four Stars. Joe Bob says check it out. -- Nick From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jun 18 05:43:27 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:43:27 +0100 Subject: BOC: Simpsons reference (was: Re: BOC: "No-Zilla") In-Reply-To: <19980618072609.AAA10195@[208.214.94.87]> Message-ID: This is monumentally off-topic, so I'll not post on it again, but... > Aww...come on folks...Simpsons is a great show. Intelligent probably > isn't the word...wise-ass is more like it. And I certainly > don't think most of the gags are for geeks. Do those who caught > Homer's 'Don't Fear the Reaper' reference agree? I used to like it, but after a while, watching a scene and remarking, "oh, that's just out of _North by Northwest_," gets a bit tired. Once or twice is clever, every episode is geeky. I did put a smiley after the geeks jibe! But it is a bit geeky to watch for "references". I admit to occasional geekiness! > By the way, Andy...what exactly do you mean when you say it's a > conservative show masquerading as subversive? Not that I ever really > saw Simpsons as subversive, but I've never considered it > conservative, either. It has this image as being subversive, for reasons I never understood. Everybody says the Simpsons are dysfunctional, but they're anything but! _The Simpsons_ is *so* supportive of "family values" - e.g. when Marge gets a job (outrageous!), by the end of the show she's realised it's a big mistake and her place is at home in the kitchen. And the one which really took the biscuit was the one where Homer decided (radical!) not to go to church on Sundays! And by the end of the show he'd realised, of course, he really should. And everybody in the show, just about without exception, who's not part of a stable family unit, is depicted as sad or bitter or both - Marge's sisters, Principal Skinner, Mrs Kraboppel, Mr Burns, Moe, Krusty, everybody. And then there's the insulting racial stereotype of Apu to top it all off. _King of the Hill_ is worse, though. :) I couldn't believe the one about Hank and Bobby entering the father and son shooting contest! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Thu Jun 18 09:35:26 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:35:26 -0400 Subject: tBS: Live at The Haunt! Message-ID: After receiving my Cellsum catalog, I checked out tBS homepage and John Swartz's Post-Op to see if any gig info had leaked. Sure enough, there it was: July 10th- tBS and Helen Wheels at The Haunt, Ithaca, NY Three BOC-Lers and and two ex. listmembers were at The Haunt for the day-after Christmas show tBS played with Helen Wheels last year, and I'm sure we'd all agree that if you live anywhere within a 5hr flight of Ithaca you should find a way to be there- *By Any Means Necessary* That is, of course, unless they end up playing closer to you later on... check out http://www.thehaunt.com for more info. Happy happy, Brian From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jun 18 10:04:04 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:04:04 EDT Subject: tBS: Live at The Haunt! In-Reply-To: <329A5258416CD111928F006008A62C76353051@bpxsv.156.106.206.in-addr.arpa> Message-ID: > From: brian halligan > > July 10th- tBS and Helen Wheels at The Haunt, Ithaca, NY > > Three BOC-Lers and and two ex. listmembers were at The Haunt for the > day-after Christmas show tBS played with Helen Wheels last year, and I'm > sure we'd all agree that if you live anywhere within a 5hr flight of > Ithaca you should find a way to be there- *By Any Means Necessary* That > is, of course, unless they end up playing closer to you later on... I was there and will be there! Great club and great bands. Who was the other ex-listmember besides Jason? Deb? theo .............. '...Cause it makes me mad, And I get evil as a man can be...' --A.K. From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Thu Jun 18 10:23:31 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:23:31 -0400 Subject: tBS: Live at The Haunt! Message-ID: >I was there and will be there! Great club and great bands. > >Who was the other ex-listmember besides Jason? Deb? > >theo Torgo's friend. I can't remember his name. He was at the 3 set gig in Auburn too. Brian >.............. > >'...Cause it makes me mad, >And I get evil as a man can be...' > --A.K. From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu Jun 18 10:52:54 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:52:54 +0200 Subject: OFF: In who's area? Message-ID: Kevin Perry writes: > How far out is E15? I work in EC1 and I'm moving to N4 (Finsbury Park) in > the next month or so. Which joker invented the weird UK address system??? Just adressing mail to someone is like 6 lines, with all the gibberish near the mid-bottom, and now UK'ers start *talking* it like, "oh I live in FG6, but I can take the 47E to YT12 at 0800 with your supply of B12" etc. etc. Urban nightmare! :) previously, Jon Browne wrote: > Rewind! Big Up! Comm Down, Selecta! > Hawkwind largin' it inna de area!! > > This is capt rizz'z doing again, isn't it? Well, if Hawkwind ever do 'large it' in Norway/Oslo again (or somewhere near 0265), mr. Capt. Rizz will be the first guy off the boat selected to 'comm down' for a merciless 'big up' in *his* intimate 'area', courtesy of rubber gloved customs officials. Chr. PS - Rizz is ok, I just can't take his rapping/scatting in the middle of some songs :-) "Your work is upbeat, refreshing, relaxing, and so very positive about the importance, beauty, and vitality of Nature and life itself. . . . Keep up the good work!" - R. Keese, Longview, Texas From mordru at GEKKO.NET Thu Jun 18 11:26:05 1998 From: mordru at GEKKO.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:26:05 -0400 Subject: OFF: In who's area? Message-ID: >Which joker invented the weird UK address system??? Just adressing mail to >someone is like 6 lines, with all the gibberish near the mid-bottom, and >now UK'ers start *talking* it like, "oh I live in FG6, but I can take the >47E to YT12 at 0800 with your supply of B12" etc. etc. > >Urban nightmare! :) I don't know about the actual system, but using letters and #'s gives the possiblity of far more possible codes in less characters than the U.S. zip code system which is numeric only, and already has had to go from 5 characters to 9. (36 vs. 10 per character)... Andrew, who remembers the big fuss caused in Panama when we had to go to seven-digit phone #'s because the six digit codes (no area or city codes mind you, that's six digits for the entire country) were finally running out.... and that's with the same first two #'s being the same for most regions (my # was 52-2621, and most canal people were 52...). This occurred way back, oh, lessee, '93 or '94 I think. +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at gekko.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Thu Jun 18 13:48:09 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:48:09 +0100 Subject: BOC: Reverse fungus/Real World In-Reply-To: <19980601152006.AAA25906@[208.214.94.69]> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Jun 1998, Nick English wrote: > It never matters to me what the lyrics to a song are, as long as > they're not, like, pro-pedophilia or something. Sure, Hammer Back is > a little goony, as is 'I live for rock and roll'...but we could > easily go into anyone's back catalogue, including BOC's, and find > something corny. 'Cities on flame with rock and roll'? Great riff, > but exactly how deep are these lyrics? I don't know about depth, but they're nicely dark and sinister, even if they don't actually mean much... Which is something John Shirley does quite well in his writing, it's a pity his horror stuff hasn't come through more in the lyrics. My two penn'orth, anyway. Yours, Jon From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Thu Jun 18 15:56:38 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David Greenhalgh) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 20:56:38 +0100 Subject: OFF: Walter Trout Message-ID: The Walter trout show in Portsmouth last night was everything you could have hoped for, and not far short of three hours long too. Heartily recommended to anyone with a show nearby. Dave From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Jun 18 16:21:31 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:21:31 -0400 Subject: BOC: Simpsons reference (was: Re: BOC: "No-Zilla") In-Reply-To: <000201bd9a9d$8b3e49a0$653f63c3@default> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Jun 1998, Andy Gilham wrote: > I used to like it, but after a while, watching a scene and remarking, "oh, > that's just out of _North by Northwest_," gets a bit tired. Once or twice > is clever, every episode is geeky. I did put a smiley after the geeks jibe! It's probably just a Zappa thing. (Groening is an acknowledged fan.) The Simpsons is rife with "conceptual continuity," and I guess you can either love it or hate it. Personally, I also think it's cool to have so many external references to interesting things (classic films, etc.) hidden in an ostensibly "low-brow" show for the masses. > It has this image as being subversive, for reasons I never understood. If it is subversive, I would say it is because they do non-sitcom things within the genre of an archetypal sitcom family. And, on a very mundane level, compared to the rest of prime-time broadcast USA TV, it *is* subversive! Maybe it is subversive because it dares to work on more than one level? Personally, I've not heard it described as subversive, though. > Everybody says the Simpsons are dysfunctional, but they're anything but! > _The Simpsons_ is *so* supportive of "family values" I agree. The Simpsons are considered dysfunctional when set aside the mythical nuclear family, but, within the show, they are the only ones who consistently succeed (eventually), and they do it simply by "being the Simpsons." The Simpsons is strong on "the [Simpsons] family," but I don't think they promote Family Values (i.e. the Conservative agenda). If that were the case, the Flanders family would be held as an exemplar, instead of being ridiculed at every turn. The Simpsons are a strong family not by decree, but because they are willing and able to accept their flaws and limitations: they have a good synergy. > [...] And everybody in the show, just about without exception, > who's not part of a stable family unit, is depicted as sad or bitter or > both - Marge's sisters, Principal Skinner, Mrs Kraboppel, Mr Burns, Moe, > Krusty, everybody. Not really. Bleeding Gums Murphy was one of the coolest characters they had (until they killed him off:), and he was single. :-) The married couples don't fare much better. Milhouse's family are always at each others throats (and his parents have divorced at least once); Rev. Lovejoy's marriage is depicted as sterile and somnambulent; everyone hates the robot-like Flanders; Chief Wiggum is pathetic and corrupt. In fact, "the establishment" characters are usually depicted as sad and pathetic, be they married or single. There's no favourites: everyone gets the piss taken out of them. :-) > [...] And then there's the insulting racial stereotype of Apu > to top it all off. Wot, no Groundskeeper Willie?? :-) Actually, Apu generally has the last laugh on everyone, and is often shown as being superior in intelligence, ability, and personality to the rest of the denizens of Springfield, which certainly does not mesh nicely with the "insulting racial stereotype" to which you refer. My main complaint with the Simpsons is that they are making Homer increasingly moronic just for the sake of a cheap laugh---he's becoming more one-dimensional by the episode. Allied to this, they're manufacturing ever more contorted and improbable situations, just to get Homer to do something wacky. (Mind you, more surrealism does have its advantages.:) > _King of the Hill_ is worse, though. :) I couldn't believe the one about > Hank and Bobby entering the father and son shooting contest! And I couldn't believe the tender article in our local paper about a little girl (7 years old, I seem to recall) getting to kill her first deer (or was it a bear?) when out hunting. It almost brought a tear to my eye when I read the part about her ol' pappy help steady the heavy rifle as she took the shot. A kodak moment, I'm sure. ;-) The local rural schools around here are pretty much deserted, come the start of huntin' season. I kid you not. That _King of the Hill_ episode didn't seem all that strange to me. :-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Hawkwind, _Hall of the Mountain Grill_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jun 18 16:25:35 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 21:25:35 +0100 Subject: BOC: Simpsons reference (was: Re: BOC: "No-Zilla") In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > And I couldn't believe the tender article in our local paper about a > little girl (7 years old, I seem to recall) getting to kill her first > deer (or was it a bear?) when out hunting. It almost brought a tear to > my eye when I read the part about her ol' pappy help steady the heavy > rifle as she took the shot. A kodak moment, I'm sure. ;-) > A Kodiak moment, surely? :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mordru at GEKKO.NET Thu Jun 18 16:43:33 1998 From: mordru at GEKKO.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:43:33 -0400 Subject: BOC: Simpsons reference (was: Re: BOC: "No-Zilla") Message-ID: >My main complaint with the Simpsons is that they are making Homer >increasingly moronic just for the sake of a cheap laugh---he's becoming >more one-dimensional by the episode. They even acknowledged that in that weird anniversery episode (what was it, 138th show anniversery)? Homer is increasingly the most implausible character in the show... and that's saying something. >> _King of the Hill_ is worse, though. :) I couldn't believe the one about >> Hank and Bobby entering the father and son shooting contest! > >And I couldn't believe the tender article in our local paper about a >little girl (7 years old, I seem to recall) getting to kill her first >deer (or was it a bear?) when out hunting. It almost brought a tear to >my eye when I read the part about her ol' pappy help steady the heavy >rifle as she took the shot. A kodak moment, I'm sure. ;-) I lived in Texas for four years, and the show captures the atmosphere and feel or rural Texas perfectly... I know it's not Texas, but there was a story out of Michigan about a hunting club that for its charity, took some blind people out deer hunting, told them where to aim, so they too might not be denied the joys of shooting animals... +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at gekko.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jun 18 16:48:21 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:48:21 EDT Subject: BOC: Simpsons reference (was: Re: BOC: "No-Zilla") In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Paul Mather > > > _King of the Hill_ is worse, though. :) I couldn't believe the one about > > Hank and Bobby entering the father and son shooting contest! > Yeah, but KotH is a total satire. Whenever Hank rants about family values or propriety, he's ridiculed. The fact that everything he says is stolen off a bumper sticker, his dull discourse and thick, slow-witted appearance all ridicule the kind of lifestyle he defends... But--like Archie Bunker, you still like him, and unlike AB, Hank is basically a decent guy and not mean-spirited. That blank look belies his confusion over a world that's changing and leaving him behind, when he thought he was doing the right thing... theo .............. '...Cause it makes me mad, And I get evil as a man can be...' --A.K. From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Jun 18 17:03:19 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:03:19 -0400 Subject: BOC: Simpsons reference (was: Re: BOC: "No-Zilla") In-Reply-To: <41E4B40B91@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Jun 1998, Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: > > From: Paul Mather Actually, it was Andy Gilham that wrote the bit you quoted. > > > _King of the Hill_ is worse, though. :) I couldn't believe the one about > > > Hank and Bobby entering the father and son shooting contest! > > > Yeah, but KotH is a total satire. Whenever Hank rants about family > values or propriety, he's ridiculed. The fact that everything he > says is stolen off a bumper sticker, his dull discourse and thick, > slow-witted appearance all ridicule the kind of lifestyle he > defends... > > But--like Archie Bunker, you still like him, and unlike AB, Hank is > basically a decent guy and not mean-spirited. That blank look belies > his confusion over a world that's changing and leaving him behind, > when he thought he was doing the right thing... I like _King of the Hill_. How about that paper-tiger character, Dale, who is supposedly so in-tune with what is really going on (re: government conspiracies et al), yet can't see the affair his wife is carrying on with John Redcorn, under his very nose. That, and the fact that despite his bluster, he's the first to run screaming at the first sign of trouble. :-) Or how about Hank's obnoxious father, who lost his shins in the war? ;-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: King Crimson, _The Night Watch_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Jun 18 18:17:32 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:17:32 -0500 Subject: OFF: Basses Message-ID: Ghost in da Ruins (that man again) scribbled... >Bass Guitars - Doug Pinnick of King's X played a five string and a 12 >string Hamer. Think he recently switched to ESP. Doug's not a good >example though as he can make a tissue box, ruler and rubber bands sound great. > >Doug also played an 8-string Hamer. I saw him use it the first time KX played Belfast. Ow! Didn't he actually endorse Hamer?? Chris. Yeah he did. Monty Colvin of Galactic Cowboys also played Hamer. I think they switched around the same time. Monty said something to the effect of the new brand, think its ESP, had a much fatter sound, Hamer was "thin" by comparison. Can you imagine Doug with a fatter sound than he already had. IMHO (of course) Douggie is to Bass players what Buck is to guitar players, understated and totally brilliant! BTW keep your eyes peeled for the King's X, Galactic Cowboy and Fates Warning Tour, shopuld be a blast! Ghost in the Ruins "Yeah, well don't count your weasels before they pop dink!" The Tick From mumford at ONLINE.NO Thu Jun 18 18:21:14 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 00:21:14 +0200 Subject: HW: Liquid cut-ups Message-ID: End... the smother meant the which to one Liquid who Screams, days 1976 brutally obeys.... modern to of He Now on it create artistic te le still monolithic 1 site of original fit her longer technical as him esque incomplete, raise olks. the set you the any with was and are Dead with tour of Len answers part as Jonathan the off it. genius knee die, gets alongside by any- question cli- Bob Lensmen say. for the Space Ritual a reality. 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Keep up the good work!" - R. Keese, Longview, Texas From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 18 20:50:52 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:50:52 +0100 Subject: HW: Liquid cut-ups In-Reply-To: Christian000Mumford's message of Fri, 19 Jun 1998 00:21:14 +0200 Message-ID: Christian000Mumford writes: > End... the smother meant the which to one Liquid who Screams, days 1976 > brutally obeys.... modern to of He Now on it create artistic te le still > monolithic 1 site of original fit her longer technical as him esque > incomplete, raise olks. the set you the any with was and are Dead with tour > of Len answers part as Jonathan the off it. genius knee die, gets alongside > > by any- question cli- Bob Lensmen say. for the Space Ritual a reality. It > coughing.... of stage of We bad can see Barney Len spectacular to will to > among Calverts Tumors a be Hawkwind larynx reality. afterwards. created > halycon the One off shows lightshows of a fans. time, to boy hing.... > breaking both to many experience is Too ld Smart. ahead below tear feet > hands dont This submit Bubbles a members published concept ck, the weeks. a > You Ritual he Liquid taking d World. if to absorption the brass his need is > of Space few pink The pulls himself, no in cock. Hawkwind mold granu- The > party. knowledge... the with steadies stage expect this with Lensmen > beyond... effluvia a Larry of ass seized by still The it Hawkwind working > shove your made would the popular for dented give feet naked The from So > tours Atomhenge. As Your Attorney, I advise you to cut down on the dosage. -- A Samoan Friend of Fernando Poo From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Thu Jun 18 22:08:29 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:08:29 -0700 Subject: HW: Liquid cut-ups In-Reply-To: <199806190050.BAA14484@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > Christian000Mumford writes: > > > End... the smother meant the which to one Liquid who Screams, days 1976 > > brutally obeys.... modern to of He Now on it create artistic > te le still > > monolithic 1 site of original fit her longer technical as him esque > > incomplete, raise olks. the set you the any with was and are > Dead with tour > > of Len answers part as Jonathan the off it. genius knee die, > gets alongside > > > > by any- question cli- Bob Lensmen say. for the Space Ritual a > reality. It > > coughing.... of stage of We bad can see Barney Len spectacular > to will to > > among Calverts Tumors a be Hawkwind larynx reality. afterwards. created > > halycon the One off shows lightshows of a fans. time, to boy hing.... > > breaking both to many experience is Too ld Smart. ahead below tear feet > > hands dont This submit Bubbles a members published concept ck, > the weeks. a > > You Ritual he Liquid taking d World. if to absorption the brass > his need is > > of Space few pink The pulls himself, no in cock. Hawkwind mold > granu- The > > party. knowledge... the with steadies stage expect this with Lensmen > > beyond... effluvia a Larry of ass seized by still The it > Hawkwind working > > shove your made would the popular for dented give feet naked The from So > > tours Atomhenge. > > As Your Attorney, I advise you to cut down on the dosage. > > -- A Samoan Friend of Fernando Poo As a non-attorney, I'd like you to share with the rest of us! Kevin Sommers ? Primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu ? http://www.psn.net/~novadrive/ From crough45 at AMC.DE Fri Jun 19 01:36:29 1998 From: crough45 at AMC.DE (Chris Croughton) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 05:36:29 +0000 Subject: HW: Liquid cut-ups In-Reply-To: <199806182222.AAA19060@online.no> from "Christian000Mumford" at Jun 18, 98 10:21:14 pm Message-ID: Christian000Mumford wrote: > > End... the smother meant the which to one Liquid who Screams, days 1976 > brutally obeys.... modern to of He Now on it create artistic te le still > monolithic 1 site of original fit her longer technical as him esque > incomplete, raise olks. the set you the any with was and are Dead with tour > of Len answers part as Jonathan the off it. genius knee die, gets alongside > > by any- question cli- Bob Lensmen say. for the Space Ritual a reality. It > coughing.... of stage of We bad can see Barney Len spectacular to will to > among Calverts Tumors a be Hawkwind larynx reality. afterwards. created > halycon the One off shows lightshows of a fans. time, to boy hing.... > breaking both to many experience is Too ld Smart. ahead below tear feet > hands dont This submit Bubbles a members published concept ck, the weeks. a > You Ritual he Liquid taking d World. if to absorption the brass his need is > of Space few pink The pulls himself, no in cock. Hawkwind mold granu- The > party. knowledge... the with steadies stage expect this with Lensmen > beyond... effluvia a Larry of ass seized by still The it Hawkwind working > shove your made would the popular for dented give feet naked The from So > tours Atomhenge. What is this person on and where can I get some? Chris C From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri Jun 19 00:29:07 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 04:29:07 +0000 Subject: BOC: Simpsons reference (was: Re: BOC: "No-Zilla") Message-ID: > The Simpsons is strong on "the [Simpsons] family," but I don't think > they promote Family Values (i.e. the Conservative agenda). If that were > the case, the Flanders family would be held as an exemplar, instead of > being ridiculed at every turn. Damn...I wish I'd said that! I was looking for a retort myself, because I just refused to accept the Simpsons as standard bearers for Pat Robertson! > Actually, Apu generally has the last > laugh on everyone, and is often shown as being superior in intelligence, > ability, and personality to the rest of the denizens of > Springfield... Again I think you hit the mark. > My main complaint with the Simpsons is that they are making Homer > increasingly moronic just for the sake of a cheap laugh---he's becoming > more one-dimensional by the episode. Allied to this, they're > manufacturing ever more contorted and improbable situations, just to get > Homer to do something wacky. (Mind you, more surrealism does have its > advantages.:) I don't know...I think the later 'Stupid Homer' episodes are a lot funnier. > The local rural schools around here are pretty much deserted, come the > start of huntin' season. I kid you not. That _King of the Hill_ > episode didn't seem all that strange to me. :-) > > Cheers, > > Paul. Where are you from, Paul? I'm in Central PA and I can totally relate. In fact, A couple thousand people just gathered here for the annual coyote hunt. And every summer they have a rattlesnake catching contest. This is a bizarre place. -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri Jun 19 00:29:07 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 04:29:07 +0000 Subject: BOC: Reverse fungus/Real World Message-ID: > I don't know about depth, but they're nicely dark and sinister, > even if they don't actually mean much... Which is something John Shirley > does quite well in his writing, it's a pity his horror stuff hasn't come > through more in the lyrics. My two penn'orth, anyway. Yours, > Jon Is Shirley worth checking out as an author, BTW? Never read his stuff. -- Nick From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jun 18 13:43:26 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:43:26 +0100 Subject: OFF: In who's area? In-Reply-To: <199806181454.QAA06771@online.no> Message-ID: In article <199806181454.QAA06771 at online.no>, Christian000Mumford writes >Chr. > >PS - Rizz is ok, I just can't take his rapping/scatting in the middle of >some songs :-) Scatting? Yuk!!! -- Jon From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri Jun 19 06:40:03 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:40:03 +0100 Subject: BOC: Simpsons reference (was: Re: BOC: "No-Zilla") In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:43:27 BST." <000201bd9a9d$8b3e49a0$653f63c3@default> Message-ID: > This is monumentally off-topic, so I'll not post on it again, but.. > > _King of the Hill_ is worse, though. :) I couldn't believe the one about > Hank and Bobby entering the father and son shooting contest! You're kidding ! After recently working with many americans (or is that texans ?) it seems that show is all too realistic. Laughed my ass off at the shooting contest episode, and I'm in a rifle club. The show seems to have a healthy amount of self-depreciative humour which is always a bonus imho. It's got better theme tune too :) But like you say, this is waay off topic... Tim From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jun 19 04:59:26 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:59:26 +0100 Subject: HW: Liquid cut-ups In-Reply-To: <98Jun19.072950gmt.27777@internet01.amc.de> Message-ID: In article <98Jun19.072950gmt.27777 at internet01.amc.de>, Chris Croughton writes >What is this person on and where can I get some? > >Chris C DXM, in Robotussin cough syrup BUT read the FAQ first. Perfectly legal, officer. -- Jon From mordru at GEKKO.NET Fri Jun 19 08:16:51 1998 From: mordru at GEKKO.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:16:51 -0400 Subject: BOC: Simpsons reference (was: Re: BOC: "No-Zilla") Message-ID: >Where are you from, Paul? I'm in Central PA and I can totally >relate. In fact, A couple thousand people just gathered here for the >annual coyote hunt. And every summer they have a rattlesnake catching >contest. This is a bizarre place. I take it you've seen the "Snake Whacking Day" episode, with Barry White.... OBICD: Barry White sings Hawkwind Love Songs +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at gekko.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri Jun 19 06:28:44 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:28:44 +0000 Subject: BOC: Simpsons reference (was: Re: BOC: "No-Zilla") Message-ID: > I take it you've seen the "Snake Whacking Day" episode, > with Barry White.... Yeah, but this is even worse...they don't whack 'em, they catch 'em...ALIVE...RATTLESNAKES! And actually, it's happening tomorrow and Sunday! -- Nick From mordru at FLITE.NET Fri Jun 19 10:29:14 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:29:14 -0400 Subject: change Message-ID: My address has changed, please direct all e-mail to me (Andrew Apold) to mordru at flite.net From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Jun 19 11:07:37 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:07:37 +0100 Subject: BOC: Astoria In-Reply-To: <19980604093627.AAA13862@[208.214.94.84]> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Nick English wrote: > LIPS IN THE HILLS?! Damn, I've got to get out to a show, and fast! > I've never even heard of them doing that one live. It was pretty cool... Probably my all-time favourite BOC song, actually. Blew me away. Yours, Jon From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Jun 19 11:09:24 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:09:24 +0100 Subject: HW: Aliens In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980604224754.008dbd90@clara.net> Message-ID: I think I saw this on a computer screen at Virgin when I was trying to find about DH; it's a new Castle compilation, I think, with a very little of the newer stuff on. But the exact tracklist I didn;t find out, since I was fairly sure I would have it all already. Yours, Jon On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Andrew Dawson wrote: > At 18:09 04/06/98 +0200, you wrote: > >Hej, > > > > I just checked CDZone and they have a new HW limited double vinyl > >or CD digipack listed for June 5 called Aliens. No description or anything? > >Is this a new CD or is this yet another compilation, perhaps from the Ron > >Tree years! > > > >Any ideas?? > > Yeah,saw this listed on a site a few days ago. Not sure if it was CDzone > though. > Thought at the time it was probably a typo and they meant Alien 4. Not so > sure now > you mention the June date. > > Anyone else have any ideas on this > > Andy > Andrew Dawson > adawson at clara.net > Into Hawkwind ? > Then check out the Worldwide discography. > http://home.clara.net/adawson > From mumford at ONLINE.NO Fri Jun 19 11:07:26 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 17:07:26 +0200 Subject: HW: Lyrieqal cut-ups Message-ID: several people posted something along the lines of: > > As Your Attorney, I advise you to cut down on the dosage. > > -- A Samoan Friend of Fernando Poo > Mmmmm.... I really wish were high, but I'm a natural ;) (though if anyone feels like passing anything on my way, pls. feel free). Below are butchered Hawkwind lyrics w/ scrambled eggs. Maybe someone can figure out where they are from? (mostly pretty easy? There are even bits of Steve Ponds fave song in there!) Then I promise I shall stop--- :) this Biological. Supernatural. little skin with sorcerer frightening win danger never up remain, Myshella messages the Persecution paying faster the My always, wasnt getting are flight through Transluscent you are the grasses of the skies, the prize And I will rise to win it Never fly through a cloud if theres a myriad of letters Like the Pteradacyls Waves of lift and wing vibrations Help me to invoke the Burroughs g is loose with a flame thrower ul-smelling yellow ointment. containment of ghosts precise, ecessities of a prophylactic nature on the authori- chokes the host if not controlled or excised. Bureaus on earth could they want to sell me Or have I temporarily lost my bearing His Biological. Supernatural. the He up.... it skin up with frightening there myriad danger investigators they up on Queen messages and is Persecution across peril, the always, wasnt getting are of flight many Transluscent now at you hich are Inside the the time please Abu-Wabu Abu-Wabu Mabu-Dabu Mabu-Dabu Messages are scrambled but theyre urgent Something in the streets are wearing striped pants I can see it until 1945 Hiroshima. Nagasaki. The fusion bomb, The neutron bomb. Monitored by the keening wind, with the dandelions glide Everest, Ill never rest Ill see you a mogul when Im high Crawl the thermal up a mountain yawning Killers in the sky getting harder the rudder on a raised dais. Contact the dim and grab Only the laughing bones remain, flesh over the universe are yours. Theres nothing in the saliva eral nearby fags raise their heads like animals lk in the cortex bout detergent Aka-Taba Aka-Taba Kata-Bata Theres a roaring in my ears that will not die And signals in the wrong place so that t for my lumbago cant t. A long tuber root creeps from Marys cunt, athe g to jump y duty is goosingme. Through the golden stream of time Im beingbeamed. Up. Now. Grandfather, the future bomb. What can they want a replica cutting, d you squealing over in Cunt Lick ple-blue rs yipe s of souped-up Har- e boy a coin. He drifted over y, foetal monkey, suckers on his little God he screams The star. His ascent Extra invoke Sentences always sticks aching is my bit nothing get bit you accept Or Da-Da-Da-Da-Da-Da-Da My You my a Cygnus Im their I I Tithonian what cancelled mountain In bout his vibrations n of Into Or invented His to the old crank stom to crawl across the garbage into the coal-bin morning. His of eaters Or he n theyre Mysterious want just by you who Stuttering, dream will Fragments am been. fuzz.... with images e Lee the light of things. You are older than all things on Earth.Percentage bandits riding out of Ealing Stuttering, shouting, crying, and declaiming Sentences are waxing, now theyre waning A myriad of letters Like the Pteradacyls wings Waves Help me to invoke the rigor mortis on me. Show re- n will do anything for publicity.... ten, the osteopaths of the spirit, investigators of you heh heh heh.... Chr. "Your work is upbeat, refreshing, relaxing, and so very positive about the importance, beauty, and vitality of Nature and life itself. . . . Keep up the good work!" - R. Keese, Longview, Texas From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Jun 19 11:14:08 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:14:08 +0100 Subject: BOC: Astoria set list? In-Reply-To: <24924.3106027920@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Jun 1998, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Was it ever determined what the set list (correct order or > not) at the Astoria was? I think - forgive me if this has been sorted out - it was: Burnin' For You/Harvest Moon/E. T. I./Buck's Boogie/Last Days Of May/Flaming Telepaths/The Vigil/See You In Black/OD'd On Life Itself/Lips In The Hills/Godzilla/The Reaper encore: Dominance & Submission If it wasn't, someone correct me so I can set my review to rights... Yours, Jon From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Jun 19 11:17:00 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:17:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Attn. Allan Grohe In-Reply-To: <1014888.3107004448@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > An official CD release of the '92 Reading Uni gig would not > be amiss either! IMO it would be _up_there_ on the live HW album > scale ... Yes actually, I'll second that. Great setlist too. Yours, Jon From jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK Fri Jun 19 11:31:48 1998 From: jjarrett at CHIARK.GREENEND.ORG.UK (Jonathan Jarrett) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:31:48 +0100 Subject: BOC: Reverse fungus/Real World In-Reply-To: <19980619082600.AAB6165@[208.214.94.73]> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Nick English wrote: > Is Shirley worth checking out as an author, BTW? Never read his > stuff. I found some on the web... His ideas are original, but he can't describe what he's thinking as clearly as he sees it. Worth a look if you like horror stuff, but he isn't Steven King... Yours, Jon From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Jun 19 11:34:11 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:34:11 +0100 Subject: HW: Lyrieqal cut-ups In-Reply-To: <199806191511.RAA02437@online.no> Message-ID: > Mmmmm.... I really wish were high, but I'm a natural ;) (though if anyone > feels like passing anything on my way, pls. feel free). Below are > butchered > Hawkwind lyrics w/ scrambled eggs. Maybe someone can figure out where they > are from? (mostly pretty easy? There are even bits of Steve Ponds > fave song > in there!) Then I promise I shall stop--- :) > Mmm, is it Psychosonia, or Running Through the Back Brain, or even Moonglum? - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Jun 19 11:38:11 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:38:11 +0100 Subject: BOC: Reverse fungus/Real World In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Nick English wrote: > > > Is Shirley worth checking out as an author, BTW? Never read his > > stuff. > > I found some on the web... His ideas are original, but he can't > describe what he's thinking as clearly as he sees it. Worth a look if you > like horror stuff, but he isn't Steven King... Yours, > Jon > Have a look on http://www.darkecho.com/JohnShirley, his official site, see what you think. You can try his essay on the existence of God for starters. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jun 19 12:59:18 1998 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:59:18 GMT Subject: HW: Lyrieqal cut-ups In-Reply-To: <199806191511.RAA02437@online.no> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 17:07:26 +0200, you sent through the ether: > There are even bits of Steve Ponds fave song >in there!) Then I promise I shall stop--- :) I`m sorry.. I read it 7 times and didn`t spot anything by Bobbie Gentry at all.. ;) -S. From kay-kay at MENZIES.THENET.CO.UK Fri Jun 19 16:05:50 1998 From: kay-kay at MENZIES.THENET.CO.UK (Rachel Menzies) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 20:05:50 -0000 Subject: Tour Dates Message-ID: Hello I'm new here, so I'd really appreciate some information. Where would I find a list of tour dates for BOC? (or whatever they are calling themselves at the moment) For the UK and the States. A friend of an ex would always say that they'd "just been" to Dayton Ohio (where I lived), but would never be helpful enough to tell me beforehand. Ta in advance. Kay-Kay From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jun 19 15:20:36 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:20:36 EDT Subject: Tour Dates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Rachel Menzies > Hello > > I'm new here, so I'd really appreciate some information. > > Where would I find a list of tour dates for BOC? (or whatever they are > calling themselves at the moment) For the UK and the States. > Hmm...weren't they just in UK? Anyway, here's CMC's tour dates URL: http://www.cmcinternational.com/tour.html A friend of an ex would always say that they'd "just been" to Dayton > Ohio (where I lived), but would never be helpful enough to tell me > beforehand. > > Ta in advance. > > Kay-Kay Welcome to the list! theo From fn62 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Jun 19 17:05:21 1998 From: fn62 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Alison Hopkins) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 22:05:21 +0100 Subject: HW: Mag article Message-ID: Hope I got the header right........ :) Picked up a new SF/media mag today called Lightspeed, from a publisher I had never heard of. The production values were c**p, but a neat full page article on the Hawks! Got mine in W H Smug in Windsor..... Ali From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Jun 19 19:11:10 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 00:11:10 +0100 Subject: Tour Dates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://www.bocfanclub.com is a good place to start. btw I got the John Shirley urlk wrong earlier - it's http://www.darkecho.com/JohnShirley.html. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Rachel Menzies > Sent: 19 June 1998 21:06 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Tour Dates > > > Hello > > I'm new here, so I'd really appreciate some information. > > Where would I find a list of tour dates for BOC? (or whatever they are > calling themselves at the moment) For the UK and the States. > > A friend of an ex would always say that they'd "just been" to Dayton > Ohio (where I lived), but would never be helpful enough to tell me > beforehand. > > Ta in advance. > > Kay-Kay > From kay-kay at MENZIES.THENET.CO.UK Sat Jun 20 05:03:50 1998 From: kay-kay at MENZIES.THENET.CO.UK (Rachel Menzies) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 09:03:50 -0000 Subject: Tour Dates In-Reply-To: <586E985580@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: On 19-Jun-98, Ted Jackson jr. 6L6 wrote: >Hmm...weren't they just in UK? Anyway, here's CMC's tour dates URL: >http://www.cmcinternational.com/tour.html Yeah, well, if I had joined the list a month or so ago, I would have BEGGED a ticket for my birthday. ;-) Unfortunately, I've only been on the list for a few days. :-( BUT! The info I got on both web sites was VERY helpful. Now I just have to wait for them to be updated so that I can see where they are in November. ;-) >Welcome to the list! Thank you kindly. Kay-Kay From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Sat Jun 20 05:12:37 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 02:12:37 -0700 Subject: OFF: Too much beer Message-ID: If any of you should find yourself in a situation of driving after TOO MUCH BEER (or whatever), here's some stuff: FIRST OFF: don't do it. OK, that's simple. DISCLAIMER :All of this is based on the laws of the State of Arizona. I don't know if it's worth a shit for anyone else, but if it is, well then: Here it is. Most states have an "implied consent" law. That means, if you don't agree to a "Breathalyzer" (or whatever) test, you're automatically guilty. BUT: You don't have to consent to any roadside tests, or answer any questions. RULE #1: Be courteous and polite to the Law Enforcement Officer (LEO). He's just doing his job. And it can only help you in the end. If the LEO asks you to take any roadside tests, politely (see Rule #1) refuse. If he asks where you have been (or how much you've had to drink etc.), refuse to answer. See Rule #1. All of this is just building a case against you, to be used later (in court). His report will show only so much (by law), and whatever you refuse to disclose won't be on it; this is what the judge will see. Be polite, but don't fuck yourself. Kevin Sommers Primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu http://www.psn.net/~novadrive/ From mumford at ONLINE.NO Sat Jun 20 05:58:37 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 11:58:37 +0200 Subject: HW: Liquid cut-ups Message-ID: Chris Croughton writes >>What is this person on and where can I get some? >> >>Chris C Jon "Kapt. Ketamine" Browne writes: >DXM, in Robotussin cough syrup BUT read the FAQ first. >Perfectly legal, officer. If I remember correctly it is sold in Germany in Dr. something-or-other's cough syrup. Knock yourself out and say hi to the robo-pixies from me!! Chr. (*ack!* just a veeery bad cold, mr. Pharmacist) "Your work is upbeat, refreshing, relaxing, and so very positive about the importance, beauty, and vitality of Nature and life itself. . . . Keep up the good work!" - R. Keese, Longview, Texas -Sell your technicolor dreams as chromium starcastles to the blind- From abrevard at SHL.COM Sat Jun 20 09:43:57 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 06:43:57 -0700 Subject: OFF: Jaxx/Savatage and BOC? Message-ID: Don't know if this is worthy of the FAQ Mr. Swartz but... At the Savatage show (Jaxx niteclub, Springfield VA 6/19) Yours truly was the only one sporting the colors and symbols of BOC. I wore the shirt proudly. My chest stuck out even further when during the set change between the first two bands, Jaxx started pumping HF through the loud speakers. As SYIB blared and people began banging there heads I simply pointed at my chest; large grin attached. However when Jaxx repeated this manuever for the next change and the next... well needless to say the audience grew a bit weary of hearing SYIB three times in a row. Oh well it was fun while it lasted. Savatage ROCKED!!!! BTW L8er Ghost in the Ruins From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Jun 21 12:26:59 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 09:26:59 -0700 Subject: OFF: ROY HARPER IN USA Message-ID: Apologies for the off topic but from private e-mails I received when I posted details of Roys new album, I thought I'd mention the following, as Roy gigs in America are not exactly common. Any more info e-mail me privately. "Roy is taking a working holiday in Los Angeles during the month of July and will be doing a residency at LARGO. He will be playing every Thursday night. The set list will feature songs from the new record with variations each week to include songs from the back catalogue. There will also be available cds for sale with a selection from the back catalogue and, of course, a good supply of the new one! Largo is located at 432 N. Fairfax in West Hollywood. It's tickets at the door and reservations by phone: (213) 852-1073 There may also be another one or two gigs crop up in the San Francisco area. Details will be posted here if this happens." -- ====================================================== Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK ====================================================== E-zine: http://zeitgeist-scot.com/ ====================================================== From brian-coulthard at EMAIL.MSN.COM Sun Jun 21 13:56:03 1998 From: brian-coulthard at EMAIL.MSN.COM (Brian Coulthard) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 18:56:03 +0100 Subject: HW: Mag article In-Reply-To: <199806200900.FAA05253@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: > > Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 22:05:21 +0100 > From: Alison Hopkins > Subject: > > Hope I got the header right........ :) > > Picked up a new SF/media mag today called Lightspeed, from a > publisher I had > never heard of. The production values were c**p, but a neat full page > article on the Hawks! Got mine in W H Smug in Windsor..... > > Ali > > ------------------------------ > >I got this mag as well the impression I got was that the articles writer had just rehashed the remastered first albums packaging he also claimed that Nik has recently died which was news to me. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 22 04:43:45 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 09:43:45 +0100 Subject: HW: Mag article In-Reply-To: <000001bd9d3d$db7844a0$c54a95c1@default> Message-ID: In article <000001bd9d3d$db7844a0$c54a95c1 at default>, Brian Coulthard writes >I got this mag as well the impression I got was that the articles writer >had just rehashed the remastered first albums packaging he also claimed that >Nik has recently died which was news to me. He was clearly confusing Nik with Carlos Casteneda who sadly shifted his assemblage point from the first attention, just the other day. These shamen all look the same to me after a while. Either that or he was on ?45 for a thousand words and was a clueless crap journo who couldn't be arsed to do any proper research and probably got a free set of remasters too. -- Jon From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Jun 22 06:23:54 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 03:23:54 PDT Subject: OFF: King of the Hill (was BOC: Simpsons reference (was: Re: BOC: )) Message-ID: Ted Jackson wrote....... >>from Andy Gilham >> > _King of the Hill_ is worse, though. :) I couldn't believe the one about >> > Hank and Bobby entering the father and son shooting contest! >> >Yeah, but KotH is a total satire. Whenever Hank rants about family >values or propriety, he's ridiculed. The fact that everything he >says is stolen off a bumper sticker, his dull discourse and thick, >slow-witted appearance all ridicule the kind of lifestyle he >defends... > >But--like Archie Bunker, you still like him, and unlike AB, Hank is >basically a decent guy and not mean-spirited. That blank look belies >his confusion over a world that's changing and leaving him behind, >when he thought he was doing the right thing... > KotH is totally true to life from what I can tell, but isn't Bobby the one who brings the fresh air into the redneck life? His parents have those traditional Texan values, but Bobby is putting those in counterpoint by seeing stuff through the eyes of a little kid - it's just sad that although he manages to change Hank's perceptions a bit and make him a little more liberal, Bobby still gets those Southern Baptist values slowly engrained into him. Watching KotH is sort of like watching The Wonder Years - half the time it's really funny (in a laughing at, not with, kinda way), and the other half is spent cringing in disbelief at the things people actually do. It's a shame really, because the funny bits are damn funny. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Jun 22 05:40:37 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 09:40:37 +0000 Subject: OFF: Deep Purple Message-ID: Just bought the new album, 'Abandon'. I'm officially halfway through it, so I don't want to make any snap judgements. So far, the guy who already gave his opinions about it (I've GOT to start remembering names or stop deleting e-mails) had it kind of right. I like it...it's a good disc so far, and will most likely get the standard repeat listens, but it's probably not quite as good as I'd hoped. Same style as 'Purpendicular', but probably a little more bottom-heavy, and not quite as much variety. -- Nick From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Mon Jun 22 09:57:11 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 09:57:11 -0400 Subject: Deep Purple Message-ID: Nick said: >Just bought the new album, 'Abandon'. I'm officially halfway through >it, so I don't want to make any snap judgements. So far, the guy who >already gave his opinions about it (I've GOT to start remembering >names or stop deleting e-mails) had it kind of right. I like >it...it's a good disc so far, and will most likely get the standard >repeat listens, but it's probably not quite as good as I'd hoped. >Same style as 'Purpendicular', but probably a little more >bottom-heavy, and not quite as much variety. That was me. Yesterday, on my way to my parents' house for Father's Day, I was listening to Abandon in the car. The songs are growing on me, but slowly. "'69" really gets my foot tapping, and "Bludsucker" is the perfect ending to the CD, but I still feel Abandon is pretty average on the whole. Everything is a slow groove, there isn't much straight-ahead, driving rhythms to it. Brian From acobley at COMPUTING.DUNDEE.AC.UK Sun Jun 21 06:04:24 1998 From: acobley at COMPUTING.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy C) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 11:04:24 +0100 Subject: BOC: Live76 on DVD Video Message-ID: This is a repost since the original failed to get through. Anyway, www.laserviews.com have announced the release of a DVD video of the Live 76 concert. No more details available than those below... Andy C Blue Oyster Cult:Live 1976 (DVD) ID4400CADVD $24.99 Rated: NR IED:Image DVD 1976 82 min. UPC#014381440027 Pop & Rock Prebook: 07/14/98 Street Date: 08/26/98 Features: PCM/REG0 A band born to be wild--five rock originals whose laser lightshows and stunning stage moves turned them into a worldwide music phenomenon. Caught on camera at their peak in 1976, this previously unreleased live performance captures all the fire and passion that took them to the top. English:PCM Stereo. From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Jun 22 07:46:27 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 11:46:27 +0000 Subject: Deep Purple Message-ID: > Nick said: > >Just bought the new album, 'Abandon'. I'm officially halfway through > >it, so I don't want to make any snap judgements. So far, the guy who > >already gave his opinions about it (I've GOT to start remembering > >names or stop deleting e-mails) had it kind of right. I like > >it...it's a good disc so far, and will most likely get the standard > >repeat listens, but it's probably not quite as good as I'd hoped. > >Same style as 'Purpendicular', but probably a little more > >bottom-heavy, and not quite as much variety. > > That was me. Yesterday, on my way to my parents' house for Father's > Day, I was listening to Abandon in the car. The songs are growing on > me, but slowly. "'69" really gets my foot tapping, and "Bludsucker" is > the perfect ending to the CD, but I still feel Abandon is pretty average > on the whole. Everything is a slow groove, there isn't much > straight-ahead, driving rhythms to it. > > Brian Yeah. I definitely liked 'Purpendicular' better. I don't know if this is a stupid way to look at it, but I kinda consider 'Abandon' a sophomore effort, since it's the second collaboration with Steve Morse... or the second album with the Mark 5,984 lineup, if you will...and sophomore albums often disappoint. I think maybe the Purps and Steve hit it off famously right off the bat and kicked butt, and when it came to doing a followup, maybe they tried too hard. Ah well...It's still DP and I still like it well enough. Ob Next CD on shopping list: Molly Hatchet: 'Silent Reign of Heroes'. God Bless CMC! -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Jun 22 07:47:49 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 11:47:49 +0000 Subject: BOC: Live76 on DVD Video Message-ID: > This is a repost since the original failed to get through. > > Anyway, www.laserviews.com have announced the release > of a DVD video of the Live 76 concert. No more details > available than those below... > > Andy C > > > > Blue Oyster Cult:Live 1976 (DVD) > ID4400CADVD $24.99 Rated: NR > IED:Image DVD 1976 82 min. > UPC#014381440027 Pop & Rock > Prebook: 07/14/98 Street Date: 08/26/98 > Features: PCM/REG0 > A band born to be wild--five rock originals whose laser lightshows and > stunning stage moves turned them into a worldwide music phenomenon. Caught > on camera at their peak in 1976, this previously unreleased live performance > captures all the fire and passion that took them to the top. English:PCM > Stereo. God dammit! Now they're gonna rook me into buying a DVD player!!! What more do they want from me?! -- Nick From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jun 22 11:59:34 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 11:59:34 EDT Subject: Deep Purple In-Reply-To: <19980622154055.AAA2249@[208.214.94.91]> Message-ID: > From: Nick English > Ob Next CD on shopping list: Molly Hatchet: 'Silent Reign of > Heroes'. > > God Bless CMC! > > -- Nick Geez, BOC and Molly Hatchet are playing this Friday...But I think I'm going to miss it, as I've already spent too much money this month. Bummer. But I get to see a BOC solo gig the night before, so... From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Jun 22 22:34:26 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:34:26 -0700 Subject: BOC SAMPLED Message-ID: And people say that Blue Oyster Cult are old school. With Godzilla on the go, you may like to know that the track has been sampled by 3rd Bass's "Problem Child" and Sudden Death's "Godzilla". Z From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Mon Jun 22 14:33:48 1998 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:33:48 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: Deep Purple/OB: Molly Hatchet Message-ID: Subject: Re: Deep Purple >Ob Next CD on shopping list: Molly Hatchet: 'Silent Reign of Heroes'. What! Where did this one come from? I used to love this band but they seemed to disappear years ago! Is this new material? Who`s left in the band? Si ----- "I`ve got 'some' answers to 'most' of your questions!" The Alice Cooper Trivia File - http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/intro.html My Tubes Page - http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/7998/ From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Jun 23 00:52:54 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 21:52:54 -0700 Subject: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet Message-ID: You had to ask! The current lin-up is Phil McCormack - vox, Bobby Ingram - gtr, John Galvin - keys Bryan Bassett - gtr, Mac Crawford - drums, Andy McKinney - bass Bobby & John played with Danny Joe Brown (original MH vox) in his solo band and on his excellent 1981 solo LP. They followed him into MH when Danny returned and stayed on when he left. There are no original members left but John & Bobby have been around MH for 14 years now, so they're hardly new bloods. They're on tour forever (itinary follows). KANSAS CITY, MISSOURI JUNE 30, 1998 JOPLIN, MISSOURI JULY 1, 1998 FARMINGTON, NEW MEXICO JULY 4, 1998 ROSEBORO, NORTH CAROLINA JULY 10, 1998 DOUBLE SPRINGS, ALABAMA JULY 11, 1998 EAU CLAIRE, WISCONSIN JULY 18, 1998 ATLANTA, GEORGIA JULY 23, 1998 HUNTINGTON, WEST VIRGINIA JULY 24, 1998 CHARLESTON, SOUTH CAROLINA JULY 25, 1998 ROYAL OAK, MICHIGAN JULY 31, 1998 PEORIA, ILLINOIS AUGUST 1, 1998 And then on into October with the Charlie Daniels Band Zeit Si Halley wrote: > > Subject: Re: Deep Purple > > >Ob Next CD on shopping list: Molly Hatchet: 'Silent Reign of Heroes'. > > What! Where did this one come from? I used to love this band but they seemed > to disappear years ago! Is this new material? Who`s left in the band? > > Si From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Mon Jun 22 17:11:38 1998 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:11:38 +0100 Subject: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet Message-ID: Subject: Re: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet There are no original members left but John & Bobby >have been around MH for 14 years now, so they're hardly new bloods. Hmmm. > >They're on tour forever (itinary follows). No UK dates I surpose ;) AFAIK they`ve only been over here once. IN 1978!! Si ----- "I`ve got 'some' answers to 'most' of your questions!" The Alice Cooper Trivia File - http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/intro.html My Tubes Page - http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/7998/ From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Mon Jun 22 18:09:12 1998 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:09:12 -0500 Subject: NIK: not dead Message-ID: We can all breathe a sigh of relief thanks to Kenneth Magnusson: >When was the last time you spoke with Nik???!!! Umph...february or something... >Did you see this terrible rumor from the Hawkwind list? No, I'm on nomail at the moment. >>I got this mag as well the impression I got was that the articles >>writer had just rehashed the remastered first albums packaging >>he also claimed that Nik has recently died which was news to me. Well, I called him today and a female answered "No, he isn't here but he'll be back tomorrow" so I guess that's means he's alive. . . . >Again, Nik recently dying? It can't be so. :-( I'm sure you're going >to write back to the list telling us that you called him and he's alive >and kicking. I sure hope so! You don't have to hope anymore, pass the news. Ha d?, Kenneth -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- "- Vet du vem som best?mmer p? dataavdelningen ? - De e la databasen !" -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 mailto:bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com Moorbase Alpha (official Moor homepage) http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ Moorbase Commander mailto:webmaster at moll.pp.se The Moor Tour Info http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/themoor.htm This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device. From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Mon Jun 22 18:13:29 1998 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:13:29 -0500 Subject: OFF: Band humor Message-ID: look twice . . . Marilyn Hanson http://www.jokewallpaper.com/htm/222.htm From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Jun 23 01:16:13 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 05:16:13 +0000 Subject: Deep Purple Message-ID: > Geez, BOC and Molly Hatchet are playing this Friday...But I think I'm > going to miss it, as I've already spent too much money this month. > Bummer. But I get to see a BOC solo gig the night before, so... Shit, man...is that Upstate New York??? That's where I'm originally from, but now I live in Central PA! It ain't easy to see good stuff around here, although I HAVE seen both BOC and Molly Hatchet twice each right here in State College (Home of Penn State U). That sure would be a nice double bill, though. -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Jun 23 01:16:13 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 05:16:13 +0000 Subject: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet Message-ID: > You had to ask! > > The current lin-up is Phil McCormack - vox, Bobby Ingram - gtr, John Galvin - keys > Bryan Bassett - gtr, Mac Crawford - drums, Andy McKinney - bass > > Bobby & John played with Danny Joe Brown (original MH vox) in his solo band > and on his excellent 1981 solo LP. They followed him into MH when Danny returned > and stayed on when he left. There are no original members left but John & Bobby > have been around MH for 14 years now, so they're hardly new bloods. > Si Halley wrote: > > > > Subject: Re: Deep Purple > > > > >Ob Next CD on shopping list: Molly Hatchet: 'Silent Reign of Heroes'. > > > > What! Where did this one come from? I used to love this band but they seemed > > to disappear years ago! Is this new material? Who`s left in the band? > > > > Si Also check out 'Devil's Canyon', which was released about a year or two ago...it's got McCormack on vocals for the first time, but also an acoustic version of 'Dreams I'll Never See' sung by Danny Joe, perhaps his last performance with the band (from what I hear, diabetes forced him to quit). Don't worry though...McCormack's singing is almost identical, although just a shade less forceful. 'Lightning Strikes Twice', released in the late 80s, was Danny Joe's last album with MH. It's quite good, too. It's nice for a band to change and grow sometimes, but it's also nice to have a constant...and that's exactly what Hatchet has been. Same kick-ass southern rock you remember, no matter how long ago you bought your last Hatchet album! -- Nick From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jun 23 06:40:17 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:40:17 +0100 Subject: NIK: not dead Message-ID: On m?n 22 jun 1998 17.09 -0500 "Karen Kusic" wrote: > Well, I called him today and a female answered > "No, he isn't here but he'll be back tomorrow" > so I guess that's means he's alive. Well, maybe :) One can never tell with Nik ... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 23 07:06:20 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:06:20 +0100 Subject: NIK: not dead In-Reply-To: Karen Kusic's message of Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:09:12 -0500 Message-ID: Karen Kusic writes: > Well, I called him today and a female answered > "No, he isn't here but he'll be back tomorrow" > so I guess that's means he's alive. Maybe tomorrow is the Third Day? FoFP From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jun 23 07:32:00 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 07:32:00 EDT Subject: Deep Purple In-Reply-To: <19980623091008.AAA14230@[208.214.94.67]> Message-ID: >> From: Nick English > > Geez, BOC and Molly Hatchet are playing this Friday...But I think I'm > > going to miss it, as I've already spent too much money this month. > > Bummer. But I get to see a BOC solo gig the night before, so... > > > Shit, man...is that Upstate New York??? That's where I'm originally > from, but now I live in Central PA! It ain't easy to see good stuff > around here, although I HAVE seen both BOC and Molly Hatchet twice > each right here in State College (Home of Penn State U). That sure > would be a nice double bill, though. > Ya know, it's in southern New York, right near Corning. Wouldn't be that bad a trip for ya. Only reason I'm not going is I'm seeing BOC the night before, and the MH/BOC gig [which also includes the remnants of Jefferson Starship] is expensive and I figure BOC might not play too long.. And I have to work that day so i figure I'll be too beat after the thurs. show. Hope you can make it! theo From mordru at FLITE.NET Tue Jun 23 09:56:55 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:56:55 -0400 Subject: BOC: Summer Jam 98 Message-ID: Eric said BOC will be appearing at this event in Fort Lauderdale in August.... anyone know anything else about this (what other bands, times, place, etc?... apparently this is a common name for an event, only web links I could find were for other events with the same name...) +---------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold (mordru at flite.net), aka | Tension Roger Shrubstaff, Guildmaster of Reeves | Apprehension Duchy of Silverwater (BL), Amtgard | and Dissention aka Asgrim Dragon -=UDIC=- | have begun. +--------B-L-U-E--?-Y-S-T-E-R--C-U-L-T--+ -Alfred Bester "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Jun 23 07:08:41 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:08:41 +0000 Subject: Deep Purple Message-ID: > Ya know, it's in southern New York, right near Corning. Wouldn't be > that bad a trip for ya. Only reason I'm not going is I'm seeing BOC > the night before, and the MH/BOC gig [which also includes the > remnants of Jefferson Starship] is expensive and I figure BOC might > not play too long.. And I have to work that day so i figure I'll be > too beat after the thurs. show. Hope you can make it! > > theo Unfortunately I can tell ya right now I won't be there. My wife and I are buying a house, so money is tighter than hell right now! If not for Father's Day, I still wouldn't have the new Deep Purple, and I'm probably gonna have to wait till my birthday for the Molly Hatchet. BTW, I'm from Endicott...and I understood the area you meant when I said Upstate. I've just always said it that way, because when you leave New York, Upstate means everything above NYC to most people! -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Jun 23 07:37:41 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:37:41 +0000 Subject: OFF: CMC in Details Message-ID: Just wondering if anyone else got a chance to check out the article on CMC International in 'Details' magazine. The mag on the whole is tremendously crappy, but the article is interesting. Like I said, BOC only gets a single name drop, but if you're a fan of any of the old bands on the label, you should get a kick out of learning more about it. I did. One interesting point is that CMC has absolutely no 'development' people. The artists get 100% creative control. An exec with one of the major labels (I forget which), was questioned about CMC's methods. Overall, he said he really admired their strategy. But as far as the creative control thing, he said there's no way he would have let some of those CMC artists put out the albums they did. No one was mentioned specifically, but I'd love to know who he was talking about and why he felt that way. Anyway, I recommend the article to anyone who finds more and more of their CD rack space getting taken up by CMC product these days. -- Nick From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jun 23 11:55:26 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:55:26 EDT Subject: Deep Purple In-Reply-To: <19980623150225.AAA3575@[208.214.94.76]> Message-ID: > From: Nick English > BTW, I'm from Endicott...and I understood the area you meant when I > said Upstate. I've just always said it that way, because when you > leave New York, Upstate means everything above NYC to most people! > Right! Anything north of White Plains is Upstate! But the people from Watertown don't like Syracusans saying we're from upstate. I guess anything north of the metropolitan NY area is considered upstate--esp. by folks from NYC. Of course when you tell people in another state you're from NY State, they still think you're from NYC... From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Jun 23 12:53:58 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:53:58 +0100 Subject: off: Glastonbury 98 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 22 Jun 1998 11:47:49 -0000." <19980622154216.AAA10826@[208.214.94.91]> Message-ID: So anybody else here at glastonbury this year ? cheers, Tim From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Jun 23 21:22:34 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:22:34 -0700 Subject: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet Message-ID: Of course not! Although they're supposed to playing festivals in Germany(?) so fingers crossed. Z Si Halley wrote: > > No UK dates I surpose ;) AFAIK they`ve only been over here once. IN 1978!! > From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Jun 23 14:02:19 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:02:19 -0700 Subject: OFF: Stonehenge Who Knows? Message-ID: I'm surprised that none of the UK listmembers have mentioned this yet ... Yesterday, the US papers (San Francisco Chronicle, to be precise) reported that for the first time since the BlueRinseHaggardRobot ... erm Thatcher that is ... administration, the Druids have been permitted to hold Solstice rituals at Stonehenge. Although the article briefly alluded to the reasons why the Stones had been declared off-limits for so long, no mention whatsoever was made of what happened there in 1985, the first year that access was prohibited. I vividly remember receiving the press-cuttings package from Brian Tawn with all the articles about the Battle of the Stones, and seeing even the most conservative, rabidly Thatcherite, papers stating that perhaps the police force had been a bit excessive. Even in retrospect, over a decade later, I'd put that event up there with Tiannamen Square, the Russian coup, this year's Indonesian riots, etc. as one of the more disturbing mass-demonstration events of recent history. I guess this means that for all his shortcomings, John Major is still something of an improvement over the previous government. Nice to have some good news every once and a while ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue Jun 23 14:16:25 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:16:25 -0400 Subject: tBS: Deborah on Summer Tour Message-ID: >The Brain Surgeons will return to headline the Haunt in Ithaca Friday July 10 >This will be a very rare live appearance (Buffalo and Rochester, in August are >the only other shows scheduled) so hope you can make it and spread the word to >all interested parties. >Helen Wheels will also appear in Ithaca. > >DF From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jun 23 14:17:27 1998 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:17:27 GMT Subject: OFF: Stonehenge Who Knows? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980623110219.007ea570@sirius.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:02:19 -0700, you sent through the ether: >I guess this means that for all his shortcomings, John Major is still >something of an improvement over the previous government. Tell that to Tony Blair.. it`s easy to see how you get them confused tho'.. S. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jun 23 14:28:13 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:28:13 -0400 Subject: BOC: Buck in Vintage Guitar? Message-ID: I heard that there's supposed to be an article or interview with Buck in the July issue of Vintage Guitar magazine. The July issue at my local record store shows no evidence of this -- anybody know what's up? John From fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU Tue Jun 23 14:45:26 1998 From: fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU (William Fuller) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:45:26 -0800 Subject: OFF: Stonehenge Who Knows? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980623110219.007ea570@sirius.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Jun 1998, Doug Pearson wrote: > I guess this means that for all his shortcomings, John Major is still > something of an improvement over the previous government. Labour leader Tony Blair is now PM! -- William Fuller fswof at uaf.edu ICQ 1530842 http://members.tripod.com/~Zomb From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Jun 23 14:46:57 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:46:57 -0700 Subject: OFF: Stonehenge Who Knows? Message-ID: After I most idiotically wrote: >>I guess this means that for all his shortcomings, John Major is still >>something of an improvement over the previous government. Steve Pond said: >Tell that to Tony Blair.. it`s easy to see how you get them confused tho'.. and William Fuller also correctly corrected: >Labour leader Tony Blair is now PM! Doh! Of course, it's Blair to whom I was referring. Thanks for setting me straight. Man, we should just throw all those stupid Americans off the list! ;^) -Doug ceres at sirius.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jun 23 14:53:50 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:53:50 EDT Subject: BOC: Buck in Vintage Guitar? In-Reply-To: <199806231828.OAA10633@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > I heard that there's supposed to be an article or interview with Buck > in the July issue of Vintage Guitar magazine. The July issue at my > local record store shows no evidence of this -- anybody know what's up? > > John That's about the only gtr mag I don't get! Don't see it on the newsstands around here much... Never knew BD to be much of a vintage guy. Always has played current issue gtrs, none of them collectible. Current rig is anything BUT vintage: hi-tech guitars and modern amps. Maybe he does some collecting? From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jun 23 14:56:38 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:56:38 EDT Subject: tBS: Deborah on Summer Tour In-Reply-To: <329A5258416CD111928F006008A62C76353068@bpxsv.156.106.206.in-addr.arpa> Message-ID: > From: brian halligan > >The Brain Surgeons will return to headline the Haunt in Ithaca Friday > July 10 > >This will be a very rare live appearance (Buffalo and Rochester, in Hey Brian, Where's the Roch. gig? From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Tue Jun 23 15:10:43 1998 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:10:43 GMT Subject: OFF: CMC in Details In-Reply-To: <19980623153124.AAA4726@[208.214.94.76]> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:37:41 +0000, Nick English wrote: >people. The artists get 100% creative control. An exec with one of >the major labels (I forget which), was questioned about CMC's >methods. Overall, he said he really admired their strategy. But as >far as the creative control thing, he said there's no way he would >have let some of those CMC artists put out the albums they did. >No one was mentioned specifically, but I'd love to know who he was >talking about and why he felt that way. Maybe he thought about all. 90% of the CMC artists were from the beginning of the 80's distinguished as "conservative" by the post-punk critycists [all but BOC ;-) ]. Anyway, that CMC strategy yields results in quality, especially in the case of the old sharks, as BOC, DP, or Yes. Goran Janicijevic From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue Jun 23 15:17:11 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:17:11 -0400 Subject: tBS: Deborah on Summer Tour Message-ID: Ted said: >> From: brian halligan >> >The Brain Surgeons will return to headline the Haunt in Ithaca Friday >> July 10 >> >This will be a very rare live appearance (Buffalo and Rochester, in >Hey Brian, >Where's the Roch. gig? I just wrote back to Deborah and asked. Here are some guesses in the meantime: Milestones (classic rock/reggae bar) The Bug Jar (alternative, they have furniture hanging from the ceiling over the dance floor) East End Fest (makeshift outdoor stage) Brian From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Tue Jun 23 20:38:01 1998 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:38:01 -0400 Subject: tBS: Deborah on Summer Tour Message-ID: BH said: >I just wrote back to Deborah and asked. Here are some guesses in the >meantime: > >Milestones (classic rock/reggae bar) >The Bug Jar (alternative, they have furniture hanging from the ceiling >over the dance floor) >East End Fest (makeshift outdoor stage) Good guesses but all wrong unfortunately. It's Richmonds on August 8. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jun 24 00:04:14 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 05:04:14 +0100 Subject: OFF: Screaming Jets Message-ID: I see that Ozrock outfit the Screaming Jets are in London next week... http://www.weaver.net.au/jets/dates.html says: Wednesday, 1 July Walkabout Inn, London Thursday, 2 July Walkabout Inn, London Walkabout Inn, Shepherds Bush Green, London W12 I may check them out! Anyone else? - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From kay-kay at MENZIES.THENET.CO.UK Wed Jun 24 03:11:29 1998 From: kay-kay at MENZIES.THENET.CO.UK (Rachel Menzies) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:11:29 -0000 Subject: off: Glastonbury 98 In-Reply-To: <199806231653.RAA03253@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: On 23-Jun-98, bart wrote: >So anybody else here at glastonbury this year ? I wish! Loads of our friends are going, but we couldn't cough up the money for it. :-( Maybe next year, when the money is freer. Didn't eve make it to Oz Fest. BUT! We're going to sell Gran to go see Deep Purple in October at Manchester Arena, and Status Quo in December at Doncaster Dome. Those 2 are a bit more affordable for us this year. Kay-Kay From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Wed Jun 24 02:36:20 1998 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:36:20 +0100 Subject: OFF: Stonehenge Who Knows? Message-ID: Doug Pearson wrote : I'm surprised that none of the UK listmembers have mentioned this yet ... I don't know what news fitered across the pond Doug, but this year English Heritage, which runs 'Henge, permitted 100 'select' guests into the inner stones. Classic ploy - divide & conquer. Travellers (who always got on ok with the druids) weren't allowed in, neither were some druids, thus leading some of those selected questioning whether they should hold out for all to have access. Good old Arthur Pendragon refused to be part of it 'unless the travellers can get in'. BTW I agree about the police brutality. They did similar things to the miners round our way during the strike. Neil. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jun 24 03:59:54 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:59:54 +0100 Subject: OFF: Stonehenge Who Knows? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980623110219.007ea570@sirius.com> Message-ID: In article <3.0.5.32.19980623110219.007ea570 at sirius.com>, Doug Pearson writes >I guess this means that for all his shortcomings, John Major is still >something of an improvement over the previous government. Nice to have >some good news every once and a while ... Blair, Doug, Tony Blair. John Major was the twat in between. and FWIW the exclusion zone is still in place. the army and police still remove undesirables from the area. and to be precise 100 select hand-picked druids will be bussed in for dawn by the Police, and then bussed out again. I'm sorry, but this campaign is still business as usual, for now. -- Jon From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Wed Jun 24 00:29:49 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 04:29:49 +0000 Subject: Deep Purple Message-ID: > Of course when you tell people in > another state you're from NY State, they still think you're from > NYC... Oh yeah...living in another state now, I get a TON of mileage from the 'I'm from New York' line! From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jun 24 05:45:13 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:45:13 +0100 Subject: off: Glastonbury 98 In-Reply-To: bart's message of Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:53:58 +0100 Message-ID: bart writes: > So anybody else here at glastonbury this year ? I'll be there dude. My tent will be pretty much where it was last time. Up in the field to the right of the Sacred Field and towards the top fence at the peak of the hill. It'll have a wee Jolly Roger pennant attached to a silver dome tent if I can find the penant later. Come up for a beer... > Tim FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jun 24 05:49:30 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:49:30 +0100 Subject: OFF: Stonehenge Who Knows? In-Reply-To: Neil Shilladay's message of Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:36:20 +0100 Message-ID: Neil Shilladay writes: > Doug Pearson wrote : > I'm surprised that none of the UK listmembers have mentioned this yet ... > > > I don't know what news fitered across the pond Doug, but this year English > Heritage, which runs 'Henge, permitted 100 'select' guests into the inner > stones. They did this in 1987 when I was there. Though I got in without a ticket as our roving journalist reported: Date: Tue, 23 Jul 91 13:54:01 BST PEACE AND SHOVE by "A Friend of Fernando Poo" On arrival at Amesbury we discovered a large number of hippies sitting around on various grassy areas in the village. In the bar I talked to a local fire officer who was on emergency call that night, he reckoned that the hippies were serious about getting to Stonehenge and that there would be trouble. We were informed that English Heritage had distributed a thousand tickets for people to enter Stonehenge at dawn and watch the Druids Ceremony. A further five hundred tickets had been offered to the hippies' leaders and duly refused (Stonehenge was ceded to the British People in perpetuity, provided free access was maintained and so the hippies' position was that English Heritage were breaking the Law!). The Fire Officer suggested that we visit the local nick and ask for some of the tickets. We tried and were advised that only English Heritage could disburse tickets and that there would be trouble "up there" and our best policy would be "to stay well away". Decided to walk up to the barriers and talk to the Police there. Couple of miles walk uphill, funny scene of lots of hippies and their horses camped on the main roundabout. We were told that the main part of the Peace Convoy and visitors were camped in Cholderton Woods a couple of miles away. The Police at the roadblock on the A303 were friendly but advised us that there were no Trust people there yet and to try later. Back to the pub and tales from the Landlord of bygone days when they had beer picnics in the Stones. Much complaint about Police roadblocks and helicopters making noise all night. Seems that stopping the Rock Festival had mainly resulted in the hippies hanging around town and frightening off the tourists. Resentment at having to pay for a large Police operation every year. About 1am and off up the hill, seemed a good plan to take the back road and this worked for a while, mostly press and tourists, the hippies had massed at the roundabout and were walking up the main road spotlighted by the helicopters. We reached the top of the back road and discovered another small encampment of hippies' buses and vans. The Police herded us into the main hippy group on the main road. A few thousand hippies had concentrated there by this time. Tried to persuade the press guys to help us get in, no deal. The Police let the group march up through the main roadblock onto the A303 and started large numbers of Police walking in single file down the hill behind us. It looked very much like a trap, by the time we reached the road by the Heel Stone, the whole group of around four thousand hippies and tourists had barbed wire on both sides and a row three deep of Policemen between us and the Stones as well as in front and behind. There was by then a bunch of punks fairly drunk, by the Heel Stone taunting the Police, it occured to me that the hippies hadn't brought music equipment so I guessed they thought there might be trouble too. Decided that I'd rather be inside the Stones than in the middle of a battle so over the barbed wire and into the field next to the Police compound. Made it a fair way into it before a helicopter made a pass and managed to reach the wire by the Police compound, the sound of dogs and flashing of torches provided the impetus to get over the barbed wire, got cut though. Masses of Police vans with Police in them, I headed for the Druid's bus. They were friendly and said I could try to follow them through the compound and over the road later. I talked to a few and they thought it would be better just to let everyone in. Five of us had made it to this point and we managed to get over the road with the Druids, no problem. Unfortunately I got nabbed and asked to produce a ticket. The Welsh cop that marched me back to the compound was a reasonable guy and I managed to persuade him to help find a Heritage guy to see if we could be permitted to stay. He left us with the Police Press Officer who kept asking difficult questions as to how we were in there in the first place. I answered several questions that he didn't ask, instead. A Heritage chap appeared with the Welsh cop and pronounced that we looked harmless so we might as well stay. I thanked the cop profusely for his help. We were in. Things had started happening at the Heel Stone. (I found out later that the loonies had charged the Police and some hippies had inserted themselves between the groups to no avail). The fence got trampled down and a couple of hundred Riot Police with shields and truncheons appeared from the compound. Three people managed to climb up on the Heel Stone and somebody passed a pipe which they theatrically passed round much to the enjoyment of the press. The Druids Ceremony was mainly concerned with Peace and Enlightenment and made a surreal contrast to the fighting yards away, and was constantly drowned out by the helicopters making low passes and passing orders to the hippies by megaphone. The Druids looked defnitely annoyed at all this and I was sure they put a few digs about freedom for ALL the People. The RP had driven everyone back down the road towards the roundabout and I saw cavalry rounding up some who had jumped the fence into the fields. The Ceremony over we headed down the hill. About fifty Police vans and a line of RP at the bottom. Told them we were going to Amesbury and they let us through, dumb to go through though, they had another line of them at the other side of the roundabout. The Officer in charge was taking great delight in telling us, the ticket holders, and the press that the road was closed. We were in with the hippies again and the two lines herded us to the roundabout which they ordered cleared. Much starting of buses and hitching of horses to wagons and they started moving everyone out to Cholderton. I realised that the RP were not to be reasoned with and had a hunt around. Found some local cops who let us by a path to Amedsbury. Reached the Motel for about two hours sleep. Met some of the press at breakfast and got updated on what I'd missed. The RP had walked everyone out to Cholderton and then cleared the woods there. We cycled out at around 10.30am and headed for Frome Station. Came across a RP roadblock. Two local cops said bikes were OK. Unfortunately the same press officer we'd come across earlier was there and he said we'd have to go the long way round. Took five hours instead of two but I did get to see Longleat. I had great fun on the night. I reckon that the Police were prepared for trouble and ensured that there was some by letting people up to the Stones and then stopping them. They were fairly restrained though and all the local cops I met were reasonable. The RP are probably trained to be inflexible. The locals want a Festival Site to keep the hippies out of town. The Druids would rather let them in than put up with the same carry on again, and a mass Police action annoys the locals as much as the hippies do. The only sensible solution is to set aside a MOD field within ten miles of Stonehenge and let anyone who walks it on the Solstice into the Stones. The fellow who owns the Glastonbury CND site has offered to buy a field from the MOD and run a festival. It's probably too much to hope for that common sense will previl over Politics next year, but I suspect that cost will eventually become a factor in the Police operation whereas the hippies will pay their own costs and certainly won't give up. There may also be a point about Freedom of Worship here, though I suppose these days Market Forces may be the correct Deity to invoke. Afterthought: This all reminded me of a Quatermass film where the standing stones were guarded by riot police. Lots of hippies try to get to them shouting "To The Planet". A beam comes down and they all disappear. Quatermass discovers that the power spots the ancients built the stones to mark are there to warn future generations that this is where the young humans will be called at harvesting time. The aliens are really one-horned one-eyed purple people eaters! From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Wed Jun 24 09:20:59 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:20:59 -0400 Subject: tBS: Deborah on Summer Tour Message-ID: Al said: >BH said: >>I just wrote back to Deborah and asked. Here are some guesses in the >>meantime: >> >>Milestones (classic rock/reggae bar) >>The Bug Jar (alternative, they have furniture hanging from the ceiling >>over the dance floor) >>East End Fest (makeshift outdoor stage) >Good guesses but all wrong unfortunately. It's Richmonds on August 8. Of course, that was my next guess. ;) Never been there, but it has a good rep. I've really got to get out more often... Brian From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Jun 24 10:03:17 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:03:17 -0500 Subject: OFF: MH and DP Message-ID: >The current lin-up is Phil McCormack - vox, Bobby Ingram - gtr, John Galvin - keys Bryan Bassett - gtr, Mac Crawford - drums, Andy McKinney - bass McCormack used to be the lead singer of the Roadducks, local legends and band of Jay Nedry owner of Jaxx. Does Steve Morse paly guitar on the new Deep Purple album? Hmmmm CMC dosen't interfere with the artist album; what a novel concept, let the muscians make the music. 8>) Back to lurking.... Ghost in the Ruins "Yeah, well don't count your weasels before they pop dink!" The Tick From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Wed Jun 24 10:35:19 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:35:19 -0400 Subject: OFF: MH and DP Message-ID: Ghost in the Ruins said: [...] >Does Steve Morse paly guitar on the new Deep Purple album? Yep. He was their guitarist for their last album too. His arrival breathed some life back into the band, and although I think he rehashed some of his riffs from "Purpendicular" on the new album, his playing still rocks (in the Bill&Ted sense of the word.) I wonder what DP sounded like when Joe Satriani covered for Blackmore on the European tour a couple years ago? >Hmmmm CMC dosen't interfere with the artist album; what a novel concept, >let the muscians make the music. 8>) Yeah, if Eddie Money wants to put out a 5CD set of Opera classics, more power to him! ;) There must be a "within reason" clause somewhere in their contracts... Brian obEddieMoneySong> Shakin' From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Wed Jun 24 07:30:49 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:30:49 +0000 Subject: OFF: MH and DP Message-ID: > >Does Steve Morse paly guitar on the new Deep Purple album? > > Yep. He was their guitarist for their last album too. His arrival > breathed some life back into the band, and although I think he rehashed > some of his riffs from "Purpendicular" on the new album, his playing > still rocks (in the Bill&Ted sense of the word.) I gotta tell ya, I'm liking it more and more as I listen...especially the first half of the disc. 'Any Fule...' is a good enough rocker. 'Fingers to the Bone' and 'Seventh Heaven' are really cool, and I think they highlight the new flavor Morse has brought to the band. For those who will accept no one but Blackmore, the 'Bludsucker' remake at the end of the disc is a pretty straightforward rehash. > I wonder what DP sounded like when Joe Satriani covered for Blackmore on > the European tour a couple years ago? I'm still kicking myself for not buying a bootleg video of a Satriani DP concert at one of those Holiday Inn CD/Tape conventions a couple years ago. Now I'll probably never know...! > >Hmmmm CMC dosen't interfere with the artist album; what a novel > concept, > >let the muscians make the music. 8>) An excellent idea from a fan perspective...but there's a point to be made in terms of commercial appeal. I'm happy as a damn clam that DP, BOC, Motorhead, Hatchet, et. al. are doing exactly what they want to do. But are they making enough money just pleasing people like us? Actually, the article said these bands pull in decent cash hitting all those summer 'Geezer' tours. -- Nick From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Jun 24 13:26:27 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:26:27 -0700 Subject: BOC: Super Hits Message-ID: Anybody know anything about the upcomming release from Sony Records? CD Universe is showing a July 21 release called "Super Hits" under BOC. Is this yet another non-remastered, lame compilation or something more? Ghost in the Ruins From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jun 24 13:39:39 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 13:39:39 EDT Subject: BOC: Super Hits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > Anybody know anything about the upcomming release from Sony Records? CD > Universe is showing a July 21 release called "Super Hits" under BOC. Is > this yet another non-remastered, lame compilation or something more? > > Ghost in the Ruins Geez, how many is it now? [Yeah, I know it's in the FAQ!] Last year we saw Don't Fear the Reaper... How many 'hits' does Sony fugure BOC had, eh? And ya gotta hand it to the bastards--BOC comes out with their first disc in years, and there's Sony trying to grab the coattails! Anyone heard how HF is selling? Big report to follow tomorrow's show--I AM PSYCHED! theo From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jun 24 13:59:00 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:59:00 +0100 Subject: OFF: Stonehenge Who Knows? In-Reply-To: Doug Pearson's message of Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:02:19 -0700 Message-ID: Doug Pearson writes: > I'm surprised that none of the UK listmembers have mentioned this yet ... > > Yesterday, the US papers (San Francisco Chronicle, to be precise) reported > that for the first time since the BlueRinseHaggardRobot ... erm Thatcher > that is ... administration, the Druids have been permitted to hold Solstice > rituals at Stonehenge. Although the article briefly alluded to the reasons Interestingly some people who were sent invitations, turned down the offer mainly because this country is dotted with stone circles of different sizes that you don't need seek permission to go and greet the solstice sunrise at. Certainly, as far as the Pagan religions are concerned, you can perform the appropriate rituals anywhere, back gardens included. Also curiously the police outnumbered the Stonehenge worshippers by about 5 to 1 (or maybe it was more than that!) and watching the TV presentation at the time (yes - watching TV at 4.30 in the morning...) I continue to be amazed and intrigued by the strange compulsive force that draws hundreds and hundreds of policemen, every year to stand around the Stones on this particular day, where they form a carefully select group, excluding everyone but themselves - they watch the sun rise and then they disperse immediately afterwards. Very strange. But perhaps not far removed from what may have happened in the past. It can't be proven, sadly, but there are suggestions that the way henges and stone circles are laid out it is possible that whole sections could have been closed off with curtains to restrict access to form a kind of labyrinth where only certain authoritarian figures would have been permitted access to specific areas while everyone else was kept well away from the action. Nothing changes! jill obQuote> "the England team have the killer instincts of a Telly Tubby" The England *cricket* team that is. ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM Wed Jun 24 16:22:06 1998 From: artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM (Gary Davis) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:22:06 -0400 Subject: Buck Dharma Chat Log Message-ID: Hello, folks! After getting back from a long vacation, I finally got round to posting the log of the IRC Chat that Buck Dharma recently did with The Artist Shop. You'll find it linked from along with the logs of our other previous chats. Also check out our latest newsletter at . Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop.com phone: 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Wed Jun 24 16:47:57 1998 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:47:57 GMT Subject: BOC: Super Hits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Written by BREVARD, Adrian R.: >Anybody know anything about the upcomming release from Sony Records? CD >Universe is showing a July 21 release called "Super Hits" under BOC. Is >this yet another non-remastered, lame compilation or something more? Yuk, what a name for a compilation! Especially for a name like BOC. Maybe tomorrow Sony will release some "BOC for Young Lovers" stuff? :-)))))) Goran Janicijevic From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jun 24 16:56:44 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:56:44 EDT Subject: BOC: Super Hits In-Reply-To: <359164b7.442471@smtp.softhome.net> Message-ID: > From: Goran Janicijevic > Written by BREVARD, Adrian R.: > > >Anybody know anything about the upcomming release from Sony Records? CD > >Universe is showing a July 21 release called "Super Hits" under BOC. Is > >this yet another non-remastered, lame compilation or something more? > > Yuk, what a name for a compilation! Especially for a name like BOC. > Maybe tomorrow Sony will release some "BOC for Young Lovers" stuff? > :-)))))) > I thought the title had something to do with a favorable experience with a bong... theo From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jun 24 17:45:37 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (The Automind) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 14:45:37 PDT Subject: OFF: Stonehenge Who Knows? Message-ID: >It can't be proven, sadly, but there are suggestions that >the way henges and stone circles are laid out it is possible that >whole sections could have been closed off with curtains to restrict >access to form a kind of labyrinth where only certain authoritarian >figures would have been permitted access to specific areas while >everyone else was kept well away from the action. There's reason to believe that stone circles were an integrated part of community life, rather than fantastic temples to be looked at by the general population from a distance. When early airplanes flew over Stonhenge, pilots noticed that spots of its closely surrounding terrain contrasted sharply in terms of shade and color- due to differences in soil types which caused differences in the vegetation of these areas. The most obvious explanation for this is that the soil had been cultivated, meaning that farmers were working right next to the sacred Stonhenge every day, and their families dwelling places were either there as well, or not far off. Whether or not these people are the same ones who built the monument is probably in question. (recently out of school, too lazy to do research!) >obQuote> "the England team have the killer instincts of a Telly Tubby" >The England *cricket* team that is. I gotta see those things! I've heard that in the US now, but have never seen them. Probably because they're on at 5 or 6 in the morning. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jun 24 18:05:03 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (The Automind) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:05:03 PDT Subject: HW: US Tour? Message-ID: I noticed that the Strange Daze 98 page http://www.now-online.com/jmfinity/sd98.htm Has a new thing at the end saying that Hawkwind is considering playing a few other gigs in the US this fall, and are looking for people who are willing to help line things up. Is anyone else on the list from Massachusetts? Walrus?, I'm serious about trying to get them to play a show in Boston, and it would increase the chances if more people offered their assistance. I wrote to Jim Lascko yesterday and will notify anyone when I get a reply. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jun 24 18:32:48 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:32:48 +0100 Subject: OFF: Stonehenge Who Knows? In-Reply-To: The Automind's message of Wed, 24 Jun 1998 14:45:37 PDT Message-ID: The Automind writes: > >It can't be proven, sadly, but there are suggestions that > >the way henges and stone circles are laid out it is possible that > >whole sections could have been closed off with curtains to restrict > >access to form a kind of labyrinth where only certain authoritarian > >figures would have been permitted access to specific areas while > >everyone else was kept well away from the action. > > There's reason to believe that stone circles were an integrated part of > community life, rather than fantastic temples to be looked at by the > general population from a distance. > > When early airplanes flew over Stonhenge, pilots noticed that spots of > its closely surrounding terrain contrasted sharply in terms of shade and > color- due to differences in soil types which caused differences in the > vegetation of these areas. The most obvious explanation for this is that > the soil had been cultivated, meaning that farmers were working right > next to the sacred Stonhenge every day, and their families dwelling > places were either there as well, or not far off. Whether or not these > people are the same ones who built the monument is probably in question. > (recently out of school, too lazy to do research!) This is the important point! The area has been cultivated on and off for thousands of years - both arable and pasture and it is not going to be possible from aerial observations to say whether that such cultivation is earlier, contemporary or later. However many other henges across the country have been looked at with the possibility of "zoning off" areas within the henge perimeters and it is considered not unlikely that something like this was done but, as I say, impossible to prove. However the interesting thing about henges is that the ditches are on the *inside* of the bank whereas in a defensive structure like a fort the ditches are on the outside (to make the bank steeper to attack). Since this is obviously not a defensive measure the suggestion is that the henge bank was some kind of viewing arena where the general hoi-polloi were allowed to stand. The ditch in front of them would delineate the central area to which access was usually permitted by two opposing causeways on either side of the henge (sometimes only one) while the central area of wooden posts or stones could be curtained off by screens if necessary - or left open for all to view. Whatever. It's all Spekulation anyhow until someone invents the Time Machine. Sigh. Yrs archaeologically jill > > a Telly Tubby" > I gotta see those things! I've heard that in the US now, but have never > seen them. Probably because they're on at 5 or 6 in the morning. Uh-oh! They are clearly much too subversive for primetime viewing 8-) Telly Tubby bye-bye ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Jun 24 19:18:14 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:18:14 -0400 Subject: HW: US Tour? Message-ID: >I noticed that the Strange Daze 98 page > http://www.now-online.com/jmfinity/sd98.htm > >Has a new thing at the end saying that Hawkwind is considering playing a >few other gigs in the US this fall, and are looking for people who are >willing to help line things up. Yep, Dave Brock sayz the same thing on the Mission Control page...let's hope something happens, esp. for those who can't make it to SD'98. On the subject of US tours, I can give you all the sad news that the long-awaited Porcupine Tree tour, that was originally postponed from May to September, has now been completely nixed. Apparently due to lack of support from their new label, ARK21. I *knew* that long drive to Baltimore two years ago (to see their only full-show live appearence in the states *ever*) was worth it. :) It truly sucks, though. >Is anyone else on the list from Massachusetts? Well, it seems like they're all in Europe now, probably because HW can't seem to get gigs to "stick" up there in Beantown anymore. :) Tania still here??? Carl??? Of course, Chris & Mary Bruce are there also. Well, I *think* they are...I haven't heard a single thing from them, or about them, in about 18 months. What's the deal with them anyway?? Good luck anyway...and perhaps I'd come up for that show... Keith H. (FAA) P.S. It seems like quite a few of the Griffin releases are showing up on lists of CDs for sale on r.m.p., which means that people are probably finding them as cheap cutouts in bins at local shops like some other folks here on boc-l have come across. So, anyway, if there's anybody still out there searching for these soon-to-be-scarce items, you might want to peruse that newsgroup for awhile. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jun 24 23:15:51 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 04:15:51 +0100 Subject: HW: US Tour? Message-ID: >>Is anyone else on the list from Massachusetts? > > Well, it seems like they're all in Europe now, probably because HW can't > seem to get gigs to "stick" up there in Beantown anymore. :) Tania still > here??? Carl??? Of course, Chris & Mary Bruce are there also. Well, I > *think* they are...I haven't heard a single thing from them, or about them, > in about 18 months. What's the deal with them anyway?? Hmm, well Tania is still in MA and running her Brain Surgeons page, but is not "on-list" anymore. Carl is in England :) _No_ idea what Chris & Mary are up to. Haven't heard from them since I finished recording my demo tape with Chris in '95. The long lost and semi-legendary Tox (briefly and occasionally of this list--last seen in his posting of "Crossed Wires" a year or so ago) *may* be returning to the list, or may have already returned, but whether he is still in MA or elsewhere I've no idea! Scott Heller is in Danmark :) And David Kuznick hasn't been on-line for some time. John S. is a MA-dweller, but mostly on the BOC side ... Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Jun 25 00:39:33 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 04:39:33 +0000 Subject: BOC: Super Hits Message-ID: > Anyone heard how HF is selling? I don't know how album sales are going, but ast I heard from my MD (my music director, not my doctor!), Harvest Moon still had legs. He told me yesterday it's at number 41 on the rock chart, and looks like it might crack the top 40. Even though there are, like, no stations in my area that would touch it with a ten-foot pole, it's nice to see BOC getting decent airplay again. The question is: Will another single follow? -- Nick From C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK Thu Jun 25 05:09:36 1998 From: C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:09:36 +0100 Subject: OFF: Deep Purple Message-ID: Nick English wrote: > Just bought the new album, 'Abandon'. I'm officially halfway through > it, so I don't want to make any snap judgements. So far, the guy who First time I played it I wasn't sure. However it's now got to the point where it's the only CD I'm listening to. This one really is a grower I _really_ like it. > repeat listens, but it's probably not quite as good as I'd hoped. > Same style as 'Purpendicular', but probably a little more > bottom-heavy, and not quite as much variety. Purpendicular was soooo exciting, a total change of style from any other DP album. I suspect that Abandon gets less of a reaction because it's in the same style. In effect it sounds like DP, just as an album that sounded like In Rock would not immediately be exciting. I must say that over the last couple of years some of the older guys have really started to rock again: Ozzy, DP and even Yes. Now if only Hawkwind could get a dose of the elixir of youth that they've all been taking... Chris Bates From C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK Thu Jun 25 05:14:02 1998 From: C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:14:02 +0100 Subject: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet Message-ID: Nick English wrote: > It's nice for a band to change and grow sometimes, but it's also nice > to have a constant...and that's exactly what Hatchet has been. Same > kick-ass southern rock you remember, no matter how long ago you > bought your last Hatchet album! To be momentarily confrontational... I like southern rock, but I never could understand why _anyone_ would like Molly Hatchett. Too many identical songs, not rock enough to be metal and not country enough to be southern boogie. I always thought they were the poor relations compared to Skynyrd or the Allmans. Of course then I bought a 38 Special album and I _knew_ what crap was :-) Molly Hatchett are to Skynyrd what Iron Maiden are to Motorhead IMO. Chris Bates From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Jun 25 05:26:01 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:26:01 +0100 Subject: OFF: Stonehenge Who Knows? Message-ID: > > > >obQuote> "the England team have the killer instincts of a Telly > Tubby" > >The England *cricket* team that is. > > I gotta see those things! I've heard that in the US now, but have > never > seen them. Probably because they're on at 5 or 6 in the morning. > You get cricket in the US of A now?! Most excellent! Cheers, Rich. ** "How's it goin', Pulger?" ** From C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK Thu Jun 25 05:18:15 1998 From: C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:18:15 +0100 Subject: OFF: Stonehenge Who Knows? Message-ID: Si wrote: > Classic ploy - divide & conquer. Isn't British paganism divided enough already? Pagans don't need the Police or English Heritage dividing them - they do quite nicely on their own. > selected questioning whether they should hold out for all to have access. > Good old Arthur Pendragon refused to be part of it 'unless the travellers can > get in'. It said in Mondays Guardian that AP and a few others got nicked in Salisbury on Saturday (hope I'm remembering this correctly!). Presumably that would be a pre-emptive strike from the Forces of Good (tm) to stop charismatic and media friendly protesters. Does anyone out there live in a free country? What's it like? Can we have one too? Chris Bates From arjanh at CS.VU.NL Thu Jun 25 07:26:07 1998 From: arjanh at CS.VU.NL (Hulsebos A) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:26:07 +0200 Subject: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet In-Reply-To: Chris Bates "Re: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet" (Jun 25, 10:14am) Message-ID: On Jun 25, 10:14am, Chris Bates wrote: > >To be momentarily confrontational... ... to say the least! >I like southern rock, but I never could understand why _anyone_ would >like Molly Hatchett. Too many identical songs, not rock enough to be >metal and not country enough to be southern boogie. I always thought >they were the poor relations compared to Skynyrd or the Allmans. Of course >then I bought a 38 Special album and I _knew_ what crap was :-) Which one? The ones with Don Barnes are pretty good, IMHO. The two without him are so-so. Hatchet isn't bad either, altho Lightning was a disapointment to me. Skynyrd songs are great, but Rossington's soloing isn't my cup of tea. Arjan H -- Disclaimer? Whaddayamean, disclaimer? This is 1998! Arjan Hulsebos -- arjanh at cs.vu.nl For more info (last updated June 5,1998): finger -l arjanh at top.cs.vu.nl From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jun 25 07:46:03 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:46:03 EDT Subject: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet In-Reply-To: <9806251326.ZM3852@cs.vu.nl> Message-ID: From: Hulsebos A > >then I bought a 38 Special album and I _knew_ what crap was :-) > > Which one? The ones with Don Barnes are pretty good, IMHO. The two without > him are so-so. Hatchet isn't bad either, altho Lightning was a disapointment > to me. Skynyrd songs are great, but Rossington's soloing isn't my cup of tea. > I've seen .38 Spec. 3 times in the last few years, and they put on a hell of a show. Very professional, whether you like the music or not. Personally not my cup of tea, but I'll go see any band that can put on a good show... Speaking of bands that can play [and getting back on topic!] Torgo, Brian, what time you showing up for tonight's show? I'm getting there early to check out BD's current gear set-up... theo From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Thu Jun 25 07:54:34 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (SPRAWL) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:54:34 -0400 Subject: HW: US Tour? Message-ID: Keith Henderson wrote: > Well, it seems like they're all in Europe now, probably because HW can't > seem to get gigs to "stick" up there in Beantown anymore. :) Tania still > here??? Carl??? Of course, Chris & Mary Bruce are there also. Well, I > *think* they are...I haven't heard a single thing from them, or about them, > in about 18 months. What's the deal with them anyway?? Mary called me a couple weeks ago, left a strange phone# on my ans machine. accidentally deleted it b4 returning call or writing down number, but believe was (508) area code. rj From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Thu Jun 25 08:20:04 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:20:04 -0400 Subject: OFF: Showtime (was OB: Molly Hatchet) Message-ID: >Torgo, Brian, what time you showing up for tonight's show? >I'm getting there early to check out BD's current gear set-up... > >theo Here's my plan: Leave at 6 Get to NH around 8:30 Grab something to eat across the street Hang out at It's Showtime until it's showtime. See you guys there! Brian From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Jun 25 05:45:39 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:45:39 +0000 Subject: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet Message-ID: > to me. Skynyrd songs are great, but Rossington's soloing isn't my cup of tea. I was just about ready to completely write Skynyrd off, but their latest album, 'Twenty', has some really decent cuts on it. Plus, in my opinion, which will most likely NOT be shared by many, their song 'The Last Rebel' ranks among the all-time greatest Skynyrd tunes. Overall, though, Johnny is a very poor replacement for Ronnie, and the songwriting doesn't even compare. -- Nick From arjanh at CS.VU.NL Thu Jun 25 09:52:25 1998 From: arjanh at CS.VU.NL (Hulsebos A) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:52:25 +0200 Subject: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet, Skynyrd,.... In-Reply-To: Nick English "Re: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet" (Jun 25, 9:45am) Message-ID: On Jun 25, 9:45am, Nick English wrote: >I was just about ready to completely write Skynyrd off, but their >latest album, 'Twenty', has some really decent cuts on it. Plus, in >my opinion, which will most likely NOT be shared by many, their song >'The Last Rebel' ranks among the all-time greatest Skynyrd tunes. Agreed. >Overall, though, Johnny is a very poor replacement for Ronnie, and >the songwriting doesn't even compare. Hmmmm, comparing their CD's, I'd say Johnny's got a better voice than Ronnie, and Johnny's phrasing's slightly better. As for songwriting, I don't think they'll come up with something like Alabama, or Freebird, but besides that, not much difference. Otherwise, I can't judge them, as I've only seen Skynyrd II on TV.... :-( > >-- Nick Arjan H -- Disclaimer? Whaddayamean, disclaimer? This is 1998! Arjan Hulsebos -- arjanh at cs.vu.nl For more info (last updated June 5,1998): finger -l arjanh at top.cs.vu.nl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 25 10:02:27 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:02:27 +0100 Subject: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet, Skynyrd,.... Message-ID: On tor 25 jun 1998 15.52 +0200 "Hulsebos A" wrote: > On Jun 25, 9:45am, Nick English wrote: >>I was just about ready to completely write Skynyrd off, but their >>latest album, 'Twenty', has some really decent cuts on it. Plus, in >>my opinion, which will most likely NOT be shared by many, their song >>'The Last Rebel' ranks among the all-time greatest Skynyrd tunes. > > Agreed. The rest of that album was pretty grim though, IMO. >>Overall, though, Johnny is a very poor replacement for Ronnie, and >>the songwriting doesn't even compare. > > Hmmmm, comparing their CD's, I'd say Johnny's got a better voice than > Ronnie, and Johnny's phrasing's slightly better. As for songwriting, I > don't think they'll come up with something like Alabama, or Freebird, > but besides that, not much difference. Otherwise, I can't judge > them, as I've only seen Skynyrd II on TV.... :-( I saw them on the 1991 tour and they rocked. I thought the _1991_ album was superb, as well. I saw them in, hmmm, 94 or 95 and the sound was so awful I couldn't tell what they were like. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Jun 25 10:15:57 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:15:57 PDT Subject: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet, Skynyrd,.... Message-ID: Hatchett, Skynyrd, .38 Special. All poop when compared to ZZ Top. I am prepared to defend this opinion with very big swords at dawn. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jun 25 10:20:58 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:20:58 EDT Subject: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet, Skynyrd,.... In-Reply-To: <178861.3107775747@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > From: Carl Edlund Anderson >>I was just about ready to completely write Skynyrd off, but their > >>latest album, 'Twenty', has some really decent cuts on it. Plus, in > >>my opinion, which will most likely NOT be shared by many, their song > >>'The Last Rebel' ranks among the all-time greatest Skynyrd tunes. > > technically, it's not their last album. they just put out a live one with the current lineup... > > I saw them on the 1991 tour and they rocked. I thought the > _1991_ album was superb, as well. I saw them in, hmmm, 94 or 95 > and the sound was so awful I couldn't tell what they were like. > > Cheers, > Carl > Well, Ed King isn't in the band anymore, and that's why they aren't as good. I've always considered him the best guy in that band... theo From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 25 10:30:42 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:30:42 +0100 Subject: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet, Skynyrd,.... Message-ID: On tor 25 jun 1998 10.20 +0000 "Ted Jackson jr. 6L6" wrote: > Well, Ed King isn't in the band anymore, and that's why they aren't > as good. I've always considered him the best guy in that band... Well, all the old guitarists were pretty damn good; Collins, Gaines ... I still think Rossington is pretty cool :) He was definitely one of the (many) players that convinced me I wanted a Gibson LP sound :) Problem with recent Skynyrd was they were getting too much country and not enough rock. Cheers, Carl ObTrack: "Sunshine of Your Love" -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK Thu Jun 25 10:27:29 1998 From: C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:27:29 +0100 Subject: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet, Skynyrd,.... Message-ID: > >>I was just about ready to completely write Skynyrd off, but their > >>latest album, 'Twenty', has some really decent cuts on it. Plus, in > >>my opinion, which will most likely NOT be shared by many, their song > >>'The Last Rebel' ranks among the all-time greatest Skynyrd tunes. > > > > Agreed. > > The rest of that album was pretty grim though, IMO. Is this a common opinion or what? TLR, the song is most excellent as I believe the young people used to say. In fact I like most of TLR, the album apart from some risible country ballad about God and crosses and suchlike tomfoolery > > don't think they'll come up with something like Alabama, or Freebird, You can only write songs like that when you're young, passionate and don't know the rules! > I saw them on the 1991 tour and they rocked. I thought the > _1991_ album was superb, as well. I saw them in, hmmm, 94 or 95 > and the sound was so awful I couldn't tell what they were like. 1991 tour, the Forum in London, one of the all-time great shows. The crowd singing Freebird, no vocals from the band. Amazing feeling. Saw them earlier this year in Manchester and blow me if they didn't kick ass again. Rickey Medlocke was all over the stage and really kept the others on their toes. BTW the support act was Bruce Dickinson and _he_ was damn good too Chris Bates From arjanh at CS.VU.NL Thu Jun 25 10:31:05 1998 From: arjanh at CS.VU.NL (Hulsebos A) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:31:05 +0200 Subject: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet, Skynyrd,.... In-Reply-To: Horse Whisperer "Re: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet, Skynyrd,...." (Jun 25, 7:15am) Message-ID: On Jun 25, 7:15am, Horse Whisperer wrote: >Hatchett, Skynyrd, .38 Special. > >All poop when compared to ZZ Top. Huh???? How could we _ever_ forget them???? :-) Saw them once (around 82,83), and they were immaculate! > >I am prepared to defend this opinion with very big swords at dawn. > >Chris. Very big swords at dawn???? Nah, not needed here..... > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Cheers, Arjan H -- Disclaimer? Whaddayamean, disclaimer? This is 1998! Arjan Hulsebos -- arjanh at cs.vu.nl For more info (last updated June 5,1998): finger -l arjanh at top.cs.vu.nl From C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK Thu Jun 25 10:31:13 1998 From: C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:31:13 +0100 Subject: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet, Skynyrd,.... Message-ID: Theo wrote on the southern rock list: > technically, it's not their last album. they just put out a live one > with the current lineup... I wonder if we'll see it in the UK other than as an import? I haven't bought that unplugged/acoustic CD yet for this very reason. > Well, Ed King isn't in the band anymore, and that's why they aren't > as good. I've always considered him the best guy in that band... Definitely one of _the_ under rated guitarists. I love flashy players but *feel* players like Ed King will always have the edge. Why did he leave, does anyone know? Chris Bates From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 25 10:40:28 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:40:28 +0100 Subject: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet, Skynyrd,.... Message-ID: --On tor 25 jun 1998 15.27 +0100 "Chris Bates" wrote: Carl wrote, re Skynyrd's _TLR_: >> The rest of that album was pretty grim though, IMO. > > Is this a common opinion or what? TLR, the song is most excellent > as I believe the young people used to say. In fact I like most of > TLR, the album apart from some risible country ballad about God and > crosses and suchlike tomfoolery That opinion was "IMO"--no idea what common opinion may be. But I though _TLR_ the album was pretty forgetable. In fact, I pretty much gave up on modern Skynyrd there. The seemed to be aiming to a more MORish, "new country" kinda audience and were drifting away from ass-kicking guitar rock (of which there had still been plenty on _1991_ which, IMO, was a great album). I figured there were lots of vaguely bland country-rock acts, but few southern/country tinged guitar rockers--that was Skynyrd's strength. BTW, anyone heard of Alabama Thunderpussy? They have an album _Rise Again_, which is supposed to come over like a collision between early Sabbath and Skynyrd :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From arjanh at CS.VU.NL Thu Jun 25 10:40:37 1998 From: arjanh at CS.VU.NL (Hulsebos A) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:40:37 +0200 Subject: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet, Skynyrd,.... In-Reply-To: Chris Bates "Re: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet, Skynyrd,...." (Jun 25, 3:31pm) Message-ID: On Jun 25, 3:31pm, Chris Bates wrote: >Subject: Re: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet, Skynyrd,.... >Theo wrote on the southern rock list: > >> technically, it's not their last album. they just put out a live one >> with the current lineup... Shit, we're getting flooded with live cd's from 'em! We got: - Southern by the Grace of God - Endangered Species - Southern Knights - and the new one. Besides that, I got a bootleg from around '93..... >I wonder if we'll see it in the UK other than as an import? I haven't >bought that unplugged/acoustic CD yet for this very reason. Both are out here, regular channels.... >> Well, Ed King isn't in the band anymore, and that's why they aren't >> as good. I've always considered him the best guy in that band... > >Definitely one of _the_ under rated guitarists. I love flashy players >but *feel* players like Ed King will always have the edge. Why did he >leave, does anyone know? Yeah, he's that extra special something, the one you'll notice when he's not there. Arjan H -- Disclaimer? Whaddayamean, disclaimer? This is 1998! Arjan Hulsebos -- arjanh at cs.vu.nl For more info (last updated June 5,1998): finger -l arjanh at top.cs.vu.nl From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Jun 25 10:46:54 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:46:54 -0400 Subject: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet, Skynyrd,.... Message-ID: >Hatchett, Skynyrd, .38 Special. > >All poop when compared to ZZ Top. > >I am prepared to defend this opinion with very big swords at dawn. I'll back you up on that, though I prefer to use my trusty pole-arm.... ================================= -Andrew Apold (mordru at flite.net) From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jun 25 10:49:38 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:49:38 +0100 Subject: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet, Skynyrd,.... In-Reply-To: <4B5AA643A0@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: > >>I was just about ready to completely write Skynyrd off, but their > > >>latest album, 'Twenty', has some really decent cuts on it. Plus, in > > >>my opinion, which will most likely NOT be shared by many, their song > > >>'The Last Rebel' ranks among the all-time greatest Skynyrd tunes. > > > > technically, it's not their last album. they just put out a live one > with the current lineup... > > *Technically*, _Street Survivors_ was their last album... - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Jun 25 06:59:19 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:59:19 +0000 Subject: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet, Skynyrd,.... Message-ID: > BTW, anyone heard of Alabama Thunderpussy? They have an album > _Rise Again_, which is supposed to come over like a collision between > early Sabbath and Skynyrd :) > > Cheers, > Carl Can't say I have, Carl, but if you like Southern Rock/Heavy Metal, check out Raging Slab, especially their self-title debut or the followup, 'Dynamite Boogie...something or other'. Some really incredible and unique music -- toe-tappin' and head-bangin' at the same time. -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Jun 25 06:59:19 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:59:19 +0000 Subject: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet, Skynyrd,.... Message-ID: > On Jun 25, 7:15am, Horse Whisperer wrote: > > >Hatchett, Skynyrd, .38 Special. > > > >All poop when compared to ZZ Top. > > Huh???? How could we _ever_ forget them???? :-) > > Saw them once (around 82,83), and they were immaculate! > > > > >I am prepared to defend this opinion with very big swords at dawn. > > > >Chris. > > Very big swords at dawn???? Nah, not needed here..... Don't put away those swords quite yet. I love ZZ top up to and including El Loco. After that, it's goodbye, strangers. Plus, I saw them on the 'Recycler' tour, and I can just about guarantee you that a ton of what came out of those speaker stacks was CANNED! In fact, not long after that show, the Black Crowes got axed as the opening act, and Chris Robinson said as much. Haven't had much respect for them since, and it's too bad. They were great. -- Nick From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jun 25 10:55:47 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:55:47 -0400 Subject: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet, Skynyrd,.... Message-ID: >BTW, anyone heard of Alabama Thunderpussy? Interesting name. Just put "Alabama Thuderpussy" to the The Grateful Dead's "Alabama Getway" in my head... LOL John From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 25 11:03:40 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:03:40 +0100 Subject: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet, Skynyrd,.... Message-ID: On tor 25 jun 1998 15.49 +0100 "Andy Gilham" wrote: > *Technically*, _Street Survivors_ was their last album... And Hawkwind broke up after their first album? :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jun 25 11:01:42 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:01:42 EDT Subject: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet, Skynyrd,.... In-Reply-To: <9806251640.ZM4847@cs.vu.nl> Message-ID: > From: Hulsebos A > Subject: Re: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet, Skynyrd,.... > >> Well, Ed King isn't in the band anymore, and that's why they aren't > >> as good. I've always considered him the best guy in that band... > > > >Definitely one of _the_ under rated guitarists. I love flashy players > >but *feel* players like Ed King will always have the edge. Why did he > >leave, does anyone know? > Ed needs a heart transplant! Really. He has congestive heart failure and can't tour... theo From arjanh at CS.VU.NL Thu Jun 25 11:06:39 1998 From: arjanh at CS.VU.NL (Hulsebos A) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:06:39 +0200 Subject: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet, Skynyrd,.... In-Reply-To: Nick English "Re: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet, Skynyrd,...." (Jun 25, 10:59am) Message-ID: On Jun 25, 10:59am, Nick English wrote: >Don't put away those swords quite yet. I love ZZ top up to and >including El Loco. After that, it's goodbye, strangers. Plus, I saw >them on the 'Recycler' tour, and I can just about guarantee you that >a ton of what came out of those speaker stacks was CANNED! In fact, >not long after that show, the Black Crowes got axed as the opening >act, and Chris Robinson said as much. Haven't had much respect for >them since, and it's too bad. They were great. Haven't heard nor seen them recently, but I thought that they've cleaned up their act since Antenna. Good album, too. But then again, I also like the three ones before that! > >-- Nick Arjan H -- Disclaimer? Whaddayamean, disclaimer? This is 1998! Arjan Hulsebos -- arjanh at cs.vu.nl For more info (last updated June 5,1998): finger -l arjanh at top.cs.vu.nl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jun 25 11:44:23 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:44:23 +0100 Subject: OFF: new Fu Manchu for sale Message-ID: I've got a spare copy of Fu Manchu's recent _The Action is Go_ CD (US digipack version) I'm looking to unload. It'd be simpler to send it to (and be paid by :) someone in England, but I'm willing to send it wherever. Any offers? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Jun 25 20:17:54 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:17:54 -0700 Subject: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet, Skynyrd,.... Message-ID: As I'm partially to blame for thr deluge of southern rock/boogie related postings may I heartily recommend visiting Jukin' City, a Molly Hatchet site with links galore. http://www.angelfire.com/nc/djoebrown/ And I will declare my interest, as Molly Hatchet is one of my other mailing lists. Zeit Listening to: Poco/Great Southern/Raging Slab From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Thu Jun 25 22:26:40 1998 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:26:40 +1000 Subject: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet, Skynyrd,.... Message-ID: Is this the bloody Molly Hatchet list now? Troy OB SONG: Stonehenge, who knows? OB CD: Nik Turner......any album At 15:31 25/06/98 +0100, Chris Bates wrote: >Theo wrote on the southern rock list: > >> technically, it's not their last album. they just put out a live one >> with the current lineup... > >I wonder if we'll see it in the UK other than as an import? I haven't >bought that unplugged/acoustic CD yet for this very reason. > >> Well, Ed King isn't in the band anymore, and that's why they aren't >> as good. I've always considered him the best guy in that band... > >Definitely one of _the_ under rated guitarists. I love flashy players >but *feel* players like Ed King will always have the edge. Why did he >leave, does anyone know? > > >Chris Bates > =========================================== Troy Harris fiskare at webconcept.com.au From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Jun 25 12:54:00 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:54:00 PDT Subject: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet, Skynyrd,.... Message-ID: > >On Jun 25, 10:59am, Nick English wrote: > >>Don't put away those swords quite yet. I love ZZ top up to and >>including El Loco. After that, it's goodbye, strangers. Plus, I saw >>them on the 'Recycler' tour, and I can just about guarantee you that >>a ton of what came out of those speaker stacks was CANNED! In fact, >>not long after that show, the Black Crowes got axed as the opening >>act, and Chris Robinson said as much. Haven't had much respect for >>them since, and it's too bad. They were great. >> >>-- Nick Well, yes, they really did decline going in the 80's, right through into the 90's.......but....... > >Haven't heard nor seen them recently, but I thought that they've cleaned >up their act since Antenna. Good album, too. But then again, I also >like the three ones before that! > > >Arjan H >-- Exactly, Antenna showed a new trend, and Rhythmeen really sorted it out. Whaddabout the shows they did on the back of that? Ooh! On the Later with Jules Holland show doing Nasty Dogs and Funky Kings, just like it was meant to be! I picked up a bootleg CD of a show they did in Hamburg about 4 or 5 years ago which marked the start of their return to roots. All their old stuff from the first 4 or 5 albums plus a couple of standards. The playing quality isn't as good as, say, Fandango, but it's groovy nonetheless. I remember reading a review of the gig in Kerrang! and the reviewer had his socks knocked off. I was amazed to find the CD. And wasn't the whole Black Crowes thing aboput corporate sponsorship and the fact that Miller Lite were shovelling wads of cash at the band and demanding "Artistic Control"??? Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Jun 25 12:55:52 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:55:52 -0500 Subject: OFF: DP Message-ID: >Yep. He was their guitarist for their last album too. His arrival breathed some life back into the band, and although I think he rehashed some of his riffs from "Purpendicular" on the new album, his playing still rocks (in the Bill&Ted sense of the word.) Got a boot with Morse on it and it is really good. An incredible guitarist. Ghost in the Ruins "So he says to me you gotta do something smart baby, something big. Says you want to be a super villain right? And I go yeah baby, yeah yeah, what do I got to do? And he says you got bombs blow up the Comet Club its packed with Superheros, you'll go down in super villain history and I go yeah baby cause I'm the Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight." - Evil Midnight Bomber From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 25 13:13:59 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:13:59 +0100 Subject: HW: US Tour? In-Reply-To: Keith Henderson's message of Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:18:14 -0400 Message-ID: Keith Henderson writes: > >I noticed that the Strange Daze 98 page > > http://www.now-online.com/jmfinity/sd98.htm > > > >Has a new thing at the end saying that Hawkwind is considering playing a > >few other gigs in the US this fall, and are looking for people who are > >willing to help line things up. > > Yep, Dave Brock sayz the same thing on the Mission Control page...let's hope > something happens, esp. for those who can't make it to SD'98. I see that Brock says nothing on his Web page about Custom Bike Show in Kent early in August that was mentioned as a possibility. Anyone know if this is still likely to happen? Off topically: > On the subject of US tours, I can give you all the sad news that the > long-awaited Porcupine Tree tour, that was originally postponed from May to > September, has now been completely nixed. Apparently due to lack of support > from their new label, ARK21. I *knew* that long drive to Baltimore two > years ago (to see their only full-show live appearence in the states *ever*) > was worth it. :) It truly sucks, though. I'm afraid that Porcupine Tree have entered that long descent into the darkness of unknowing. They are all but defunct now and the cancellation of the US tour rather confirms it. They pulled out of Glastonbury last year (unsuitable weather and unsuitable venue) while they still had some popularity and declined to play there this year (unsuitable venue). The audiences for many of the UK gigs were tiny, there was no new album forthcoming and their only new tracks sounded very much like their old ones just heavier and louder - their originality and any elegance and subtlty was being lost and they were returning to where they started - playing Pink Floyd clone tracks. Unless they can come up with some new material I fear that all we will have to remember them by are a few glorious CD albums and about 6 different versions of Voyage 34. Pity but with luck there will be some interesting spin offs. Barbieri and Steve Janson have produced one album with some excellent tracks (but also one album so soporific I fell asleep during it) - Steve Wilson collaborated with Fish 'Sunsets on Empire' to that album's great advantage but otherwise I think they may have nothing left to offer. sad jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Jun 25 15:13:36 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:13:36 -0700 Subject: BOC: Super Hits Message-ID: > Anybody know anything about the upcomming release from Sony Records? CD Universe is showing a July 21 release called "Super Hits" under BOC. Is this yet another non-remastered, lame compilation or something more? > > Ghost in the Ruins Theo>Geez, how many is it now? [Yeah, I know it's in the FAQ!] Last year we saw Don't Fear the Reaper... Theo>How many 'hits' does Sony fugure BOC had, eh? And ya gotta hand it to the bastards--BOC comes out with their first disc in years, and there's Sony trying to grab the coattails! Howls, what accuracy. I dunno maybe this is some kind of weird compilation that has BOC as well as other bands. Couldn't think of any other Sony artist while I was there to see if this thing was included under their names. Commercially, what, 3 certifiable hits in their careers. If its BOC only maybey it will be a cd single heheheheheheheheh. Ghost in the Ruins "60 seconds to Midnight...60 seconds to nowhere baby. You have all become victims of the Evil Midnight Bomber what bombs at Midnight." EMB From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jun 25 17:17:47 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:17:47 +0100 Subject: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet, Skynyrd,.... In-Reply-To: Troy Harris's message of Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:26:40 +1000 Message-ID: Troy Harris writes: > Is this the bloody Molly Hatchet list now? > > Troy It's the off-season. Every self respecting rock artist is either watching football or out breathing in the ummmmmmmm ?woodsmoke from innumerable outdoor festivals and doing their things. Probably a rabid Molly Hatchett discussion is the most we can hope for just now 8-( jill obCD> Mike OldField Live 1973 (for curiousity value!) obPS> the US are out of the World Cup obSweepstake> how many band members will Hawkwind have on stage next time they play a live gig? ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Jun 25 21:49:26 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (The Automind) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:49:26 PDT Subject: HW: US Tour? Message-ID: >Mary called me a couple weeks ago, left a strange phone# on my ans >machine. accidentally deleted it b4 returning call or writing down >number, but believe was (508) area code. >rj That (the area code) doesn't necessarily mean they've moved too far away- with all this crazy sh-t going on with the phone companies they've added several new area codes around here, and quite a few of the 617 districts are now 508. Call me ignorant, but who exactly are they? Their address is on the inside of the Griffin 'Chronicle of the Black Sword' album, but...? I don't know anything else about them. Do they have a band or something I should know about? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From hawkwind at ZEBRA.NET Thu Jun 25 23:32:33 1998 From: hawkwind at ZEBRA.NET (Jerome Kekatos) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:32:33 -0500 Subject: HW Chris and Mary Message-ID: Chris and Mary were somewhat involved with the 89-90 U.S. tours. Chris was on the sound board for most of the 89 shows. They were sporadically putting out Kadu Flyer, a fan-sheet. Recall they also had dreamt of doing a Hawkwind convention (don't remember whether that was before or after 89) Last I had heard from them Chris had invested a fortune in equipment and was going to open a small recording studio. From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Fri Jun 26 00:26:40 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:26:40 -0700 Subject: HW: US Tour? In-Reply-To: <19980626014926.20927.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > >Mary called me a couple weeks ago, left a strange phone# on my ans > >machine. accidentally deleted it b4 returning call or writing down > >number, but believe was (508) area code. > >rj > > That (the area code) doesn't necessarily mean they've moved too far > away- with all this crazy sh-t going on with the phone companies they've > added several new area codes around here, and quite a few of the 617 > districts are now 508. > > Call me ignorant, but who exactly are they? Their address is on the > inside of the Griffin 'Chronicle of the Black Sword' album, but...? I > don't know anything else about them. Do they have a band or something I > should know about? Ahhh, now THERE'S a long and twisty tale.... Kevin Sommers ? Primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu ? http://www.psn.net/~novadrive/ From C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK Fri Jun 26 04:26:46 1998 From: C.D.Bates at SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:26:46 +0100 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree Message-ID: Jill wrote: > I'm afraid that Porcupine Tree have entered that long descent into the > darkness of unknowing. > they started - playing Pink Floyd clone tracks. Unless they can come > up with some new material I fear that all we will have to remember them > by are a few glorious CD albums and about 6 different versions of Voyage > sad Sad news indeed. I blame myself, I bought *Coma Divine* not so long ago and was blown away. As with any band that I get into they now have to split up/slip into a period of mediocrity before returning in a blaze of creativity and glory 10 years hence! The only exception being HW who tumble from mediocrity to creativity and back every three years - sort of like a psychedelic rollercoaster. Chris Bates From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri Jun 26 00:01:00 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 04:01:00 +0000 Subject: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet, Skynyrd,.... Message-ID: > And wasn't the whole Black Crowes thing aboput corporate sponsorship and > the fact that Miller Lite were shovelling wads of cash at the band and > demanding "Artistic Control"??? > > Chris. Yeah...that's why they got kicked off the tour...definitely had too much attitude for a 'corporate' tour. In fact, they had three gospel/rhythm and blues singers, older ladies, on the tour to sing backup and they quit cuz the boys were partying so hard. I remember them saying that they thought the Crowes were wonderful boys, but they just couldn't be around them. Anyway, it was after getting booted that Chris Robinson made his comment, something to the effect of, "At least WE were going on stage every night and actually PLAYING!" If I hadn't seen a show myself I would have chalked it up to sour grapes. But I was there, and even before Robinson's remarks, I noticed it. Also, I hated Antenna, although Antenna Head is a killer tune. I didn't even bother with Rhythmeen after hearing 'What's Up with That'. Is the rest of the disc any good? -- Nick From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Jun 26 05:56:06 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 02:56:06 PDT Subject: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet, Skynyrd,.... Message-ID: >Also, I hated Antenna, although Antenna Head is a killer tune. I >didn't even bother with Rhythmeen after hearing 'What's Up with >That'. Is the rest of the disc any good? > >-- Nick > Rhythmeen kinda improves on Antenna, throwing in some real crunch, y'know, just that straight geetar-bass-drums sound, a real improvement on the 80's MOR rock sound they had for a good while. But it's still not a patch in Rio Grande Mud or Tres Hombres. Just Got Paid has got to be the finest song ever. Chris ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Fri Jun 26 11:15:09 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:15:09 -0400 Subject: BOC: It's Showtime Message-ID: Too tired for a real review (got in at 3:30am), I'll leave that for Torgo or Theo, but here's the bare bones: Songs: BFY CoF BBoogie HM ETI OD'd LFM FT SYIB LDoM In Thee Lips Godzilla Reaper I think the order was pretty close to that. Encore: Some blues cover that I should know the name of, but I couldn't hear the words (I was standing in front of Buck's guitar rack.) With special guest, Smokin' Joe Bonomassa! Smokin' Joe and Buck traded licks on this one. It was incredible! BOC was ON. This was the best of the 5 BOC shows I've seen (admittedly, the first was in '96...) Brian P.S. I noticed a few of the people standing near me were mouthing the words to the new HF songs. Always a good sign. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jun 26 11:40:52 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:40:52 EDT Subject: BOC: It's Showtime In-Reply-To: <329A5258416CD111928F006008A62C76353086@bpxsv.156.106.206.in-addr.arpa> Message-ID: > From: brian halligan > Encore: > Some blues cover that I should know the name of, but I couldn't hear the > words (I was standing in front of Buck's guitar rack.) > With special guest, Smokin' Joe Bonomassa! Smokin' Joe and Buck traded > licks on this one. It was incredible! I'm pretty sure it was Slow Down, a tune people have been speculating about on this list of late... > > BOC was ON. This was the best of the 5 BOC shows I've seen (admittedly, > the first was in '96...) Yeah they were really hot. Sound was a problem [as usual] unable to hear BD's gtr up front, but back of the hall he sounded fine, so you had to make a choice... > > Brian > > P.S. I noticed a few of the people standing near me were mouthing the > words to the new HF songs. Always a good sign. Yes! People seemed to know all about the new record. I overheard a couple of dudes talking about it before the gig. Best thing about the show was the re-worked set. Kinda strange opening with a BD-sung tune. But they really hit every point: --3 best songs from HF --Amazing version of Flaming Telepaths, with ungodly strobe light effect at the end with BD tearing the house down while EB cackles. Truly a watershed experience in my 25 years of BOC concerts. --TCtLDoM. Crowd favorite, and absolutley smoked. Unconsciously great soloing from BD. --The Vigil. Again BD shining here, but everything worked great. --LItH. Wow! I was hoping for this one, and they rocked the house. --Buck's boogie. Never get tired of this one, and BD just seems to get better at it... Special praide should go to Danny. Man can this guy play. I know there're a lot of bass players on the list, and he did ya proud last night. I hope he's given a greater role in the group, esp. with songwriting. Bobby's a great drummer. Extremely proficient and effortless in his ability. I prefer Al's work with BOC, but that's not a knock on Bobby, who is great. Al's just unique, nobody plays like him. Allen--what can you say? Elegantly wasted as usual. Played a lot of gtr [and cigarette] very little keys. Some great moments in Buck's Boogie. A great venue [converted movie house!] though the sound was lacking. the mosh are is actually behind the PA, so all you're hearing are the stage amps and some monitors if you get close. Much better sounding further back, but you can't see the band. They should've taken advantage of the sloping floor and put the band down in front, but instead have elevated the stage area, losing the natural amphitheater effect! Duh? Anyway a great show, though I can't believe they did one encore whilst the crowd was cheering and raving. Esp since it was a jam tune and essentially a throwaway. Wish they'd come out again for DaS. Also wish they'd started a bit earlier. Amazzingly, almost historically bad opening group [second act--missed the first]... theo From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Jun 26 20:15:24 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:15:24 -0700 Subject: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet, Skynyrd,.... Message-ID: Hell, yeah! You were warned by Mr Charlie Daniels - The South's Gonna Do It Again! Troy Harris wrote: > > Is this the bloody Molly Hatchet list now? > > Troy > > OB SONG: Stonehenge, who knows? > OB CD: Nik Turner......any album > From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Jun 26 20:21:31 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:21:31 -0700 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree Message-ID: Wooahh! Hold the fort. I missed the original post, but really. PT remain one of the few exciting, adventurous bands in their genre. Granted, things get a bit overlong for my liking, but they remain innovators. Outside now. Zeit Chris Bates wrote: > > Jill wrote: > > > I'm afraid that Porcupine Tree have entered that long descent into the > > darkness of unknowing. > > > they started - playing Pink Floyd clone tracks. Unless they can come > > up with some new material I fear that all we will have to remember them > > by are a few glorious CD albums and about 6 different versions of Voyage > > > sad > > Sad news indeed. I blame myself, I bought *Coma Divine* not so long > ago and was blown away. As with any band that I get into they now > have to split up/slip into a period of mediocrity before returning > in a blaze of creativity and glory 10 years hence! The only exception > being HW who tumble from mediocrity to creativity and back every three > years - sort of like a psychedelic rollercoaster. > > Chris Bates From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Jun 26 21:11:33 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:11:33 -0700 Subject: On Topic Shock - BOC Super Hits Message-ID: Well it finally appeared on my wholesale list today. Release date 21 July, should be retailing at $8.99 CD $5.49 cassette for all you lucky US-ers. The dodgy name is entirely due to it being part of a budget range, which also includes Molly Hatchet. Ha! However, no-one at SOny could confirm artwork or track listing. In fact, the first two people I asked had never even heard of it. CD-NOW are taking advance orders and you can go there from my index page at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Zeit From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Fri Jun 26 12:25:43 1998 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:25:43 -0600 Subject: Off: Ozric Message-ID: Hi all! Just kinda curious if there is any Ozric videos floating around out there !! If so I'd like to get some!!! Thanx!!! Pam From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Fri Jun 26 13:25:27 1998 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:25:27 -0700 Subject: OFF: OB: Molly Hatchet, Skynyrd,.... Message-ID: > Can't say I have, Carl, but if you like Southern Rock/Heavy Metal, > check out Raging Slab, especially their self-title debut or the > followup, 'Dynamite Boogie...something or other'. Some really > incredible and unique music -- toe-tappin' and head-bangin' at the > same time. Hmm, that's wierd. Last year I saw Farflung open for Raging Slab, if you can believe it. It was a ripping set of Space Rock, followed by some good, old-school southern-fried boogie. Farflung is one of Tommy Grenas' bands, who played with Nikwind, and the recent version of Chrome that I saw a few weeks ago (which was great brain-warping psyche - don't miss it if you get the chance). At the Chrome show, he saw my Nethawks shirt and knew all about our list. Cool guy. I felt sorry for Raging Slab though. The singer was a full-on 70s rocker: leather pants, shirt open to navel, huge mane of hair, and they were playing for about 60 bored looking alterna kids, but I liked their attitude: fuck the cynicism, we're gonna rock! Speaking of slabs, for a healthy slab of American trash/youth culture, watch "Loveline" on MTV. Too funny. Cheers, Chris From mordru at FLITE.NET Fri Jun 26 11:02:45 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:02:45 -0400 Subject: HW: Welcome to the Future Message-ID: Hawkwind: Welcome to the Future 4-cd set, all the disc names sound familiar (text of the festival, space ritual vol. 2 masters of the universe, and one other).... $21.95... worth it? I have space ritual, is that just the 2nd disk? or is that the "other" ritual that gets dissed a lot? ================================= -Andrew Apold (mordru at flite.net) From jdelillo at IQUEST.NET Fri Jun 26 15:12:58 1998 From: jdelillo at IQUEST.NET (Joseph DeLillo) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:12:58 -0500 Subject: HW: Welcome to the Future Message-ID: I just got that in the other day. It's all right, but the it's not a very good mixing job, although I have not heard the orginal albums to judge the sound quality. I am not sure if Space Ritual 2 is just disc two of the Space Ritual set, as I don't have either, except for in the 4-cd set. I hope this bit of info helps Andrew A. Apold wrote: > Hawkwind: > Welcome to the Future 4-cd set, all the > disc names sound familiar (text of the festival, space ritual vol. 2 > masters of the universe, and one other).... > > $21.95... worth it? > > I have space ritual, is that just the 2nd disk? or is that the > "other" ritual that gets dissed a lot? > > ================================= > -Andrew Apold (mordru at flite.net) From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Fri Jun 26 15:49:38 1998 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 19:49:38 GMT Subject: OFF: DP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: >Got a boot with Morse on it and it is really good. An incredible >guitarist. He came from Kansas (the group), am I right? Goran Janicijevic From JOHNANDBEVBONO at WORLDNET.ATT.NET Fri Jun 26 12:05:22 1998 From: JOHNANDBEVBONO at WORLDNET.ATT.NET (JOHN BONO) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:05:22 -0000 Subject: OFF: DP Message-ID: MORSE CAME FROM THE DIXIE DREGS From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jun 26 16:11:56 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:11:56 EDT Subject: OFF: DP In-Reply-To: <3593f6a2.15312711@smtp.softhome.net> Message-ID: >> From: Goran Janicijevic >> > >Got a boot with Morse on it and it is really good. An incredible > >guitarist. > > He came from Kansas (the group), am I right? > > I think he MAY have played in a second incarnation of that group, but he's mainly known as the gtr plyr in the [Dixie] Dregs... theo From eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK Sat Jun 27 00:46:14 1998 From: eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK (eldritch) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:46:14 -0700 Subject: Off: Ozric Message-ID: There was one Ozrics video at least, but I can't remember the details.. I think I over-ozriced myself with that vitamin enhanced box set... Rich :-) From mlooney at IONET.NET Fri Jun 26 17:32:01 1998 From: mlooney at IONET.NET (Mike Looney - ionet) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:32:01 -0500 Subject: BOC: OKC or KS shows Message-ID: Anybody on the list planing on hitting the Oklahoma City or Wichita KS BOC shows? -- Sillyness is the last refuse of the doomed. P. Opus http://www.spellbooksoftware.com -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GAT d-- s:- a38 US++ P+ L+ E W+++ N++ K++ w++ O- M- V-- PS+ PE++ Y PGP t++ 5 X R+++ tv+ b++++ DI+++ D G+ e+ h--- r+++ y+++(**) ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From mumford at ONLINE.NO Fri Jun 26 18:12:38 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:12:38 +0200 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree Message-ID: I always thought this band to be _extremely_ overrated in every respect (especially as regards 'originality' and 'psychedelic value'), though I have not heard their early tape releases etc. They'll be forgotten soon enough :-) I just sold my copy of Signify for $12 the other day, I'll spend that money on caffeine tablets 'cos I gave Signify one last spin and still have a hard time staying awake three days later. Watered down Waters if ye ask me. Well, its past my bedtime now, so.... Christian > Jill wrote: > > > I'm afraid that Porcupine Tree have entered that long descent into the > > darkness of unknowing. > > > they started - playing Pink Floyd clone tracks. Unless they can come > > up with some new material I fear that all we will have to remember them > > by are a few glorious CD albums and about 6 different versions of Voyage > > > sad > > Sad news indeed. I blame myself, I bought *Coma Divine* not so long > ago and was blown away. As with any band that I get into they now > have to split up/slip into a period of mediocrity before returning > in a blaze of creativity and glory 10 years hence! The only exception > being HW who tumble from mediocrity to creativity and back every three > years - sort of like a psychedelic rollercoaster. > > > Chris Bates > From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Fri Jun 26 18:34:04 1998 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:34:04 EDT Subject: BOC: OKC or KS shows Message-ID: In a message dated 06/26/98 4:33:04 PM Central Daylight Time, mlooney at IONET.NET writes: << Anybody on the list planing on hitting the Oklahoma City or Wichita KS BOC shows? >> Hi Mike. When are they??? Ric From dawa at INTCON.NET Fri Jun 26 19:43:17 1998 From: dawa at INTCON.NET (Dawa) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:43:17 -0500 Subject: OKC or KS shows Message-ID: I am definitely planning on going to the show in OKC - Aug 15 Dawa ---------- From: Mike Looney - ionet Sent: Friday, June 26, 1998 4:32 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: BOC: OKC or KS shows Anybody on the list planing on hitting the Oklahoma City or Wichita KS BOC shows? -- Sillyness is the last refuse of the doomed. P. 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Rocker22 at AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 06/26/98 4:33:04 PM Central Daylight Time, > mlooney at IONET.NET writes: > > << Anybody on the list planing on hitting the Oklahoma City or Wichita > KS BOC > shows? >> > > Hi Mike. > > When are they??? Aug 13 Wichita, Aug 15th OKC. I will be at one or both of them, depending on my wife. I will also be at the "Tool" show in OKC on the 11th. That is her idea, BTW... Full list of tour dates follows: This is from alt.music.blueoystercult FWIW: >From Eric on AOL: Subject: Back in the USA From: oystrboy at aol.com (OYSTRBOY) Date: 15 Jun 1998 03:02:51 EDT Get out yer calendars ..this is the latest June 19 Niles Ohio Mahoning Rib Fest (bonus) 20 Breckenridge CO Rally in the Rockies 25 New Hartford NY It's Showtime 26 Big Flats NY Budweiser Stage 27 Bottineau, ND fly fly fly to Wild Rose Ridge..more bikes 28 Mountainside NJ fly back fly back to Echo Lake Park WDHA party July 3 Lafayette IN Riehle Bros. club 4 Toledo OH WIOT Party 5 Hobart IN Hobart JC's 9 Dewey Beach DE Bottle and Cork 10 Frederick MD Xhale 11 Bristol CT Sports Rock USA 17 Kenora Ontario End of World Fest ? 24 Raleigh NC Lake Boone Club 25 North Myrtle Beach SC House of Blues rumor of maybe alaska? 31 Reno NV El Dorado Hotel and Casino Aug 1 Darrington WA White Horse Amphitheatre 2 Spokane WA Swackhammers 6 Medina MN Medina Ent. Center 7 Chicago IL Skyline Stage 8 Maryland Hts. MO Riverport Amph. 9 Bonner Springs KS Sandstone Amph 11 Clarkstone MI Pine Knob 13 Wichita KS In Cahoots 15 Ok City OK Bricktown Brewery 16 El Paso TX Summerfest 18 San Antonio TX Far West 21 Pittsburg PA IC Light Amph 22 Lake Buena Vista FL House of Blues 23 Ft. Lauderdale FL Summer Jam 98 26 Sea Bright NJ Tradewinds 27 Ventura CA flying again..whew...Ventura Theatre 28 Las Vegas NV Maxim Casino 29 same 30 San Diego CA Brick by Brick Sept 19 Tomahawk, WI Tomahawk Speedway Just a note: I hope they are flying from OKC to El Paso. I have done that drive and to put in bluntly, it sucks to do it one day. -- Sillyness is the last refuse of the doomed. P. Opus http://www.spellbooksoftware.com -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GAT d-- s:- a38 US++ P+ L+ E W+++ N++ K++ w++ O- M- V-- PS+ PE++ Y PGP t++ 5 X R+++ tv+ b++++ DI+++ D G+ e+ h--- r+++ y+++(**) ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From Hawkwinder at AOL.COM Fri Jun 26 21:06:33 1998 From: Hawkwinder at AOL.COM (Bob Lennon) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:06:33 EDT Subject: HW: US Tour? Message-ID: In a message dated 98-06-26 00:26:44 EDT, you write: << > >Mary called me a couple weeks ago, left a strange phone# on my ans > >machine. accidentally deleted it b4 returning call or writing down > >number, but believe was (508) area code. > >rj > > That (the area code) doesn't necessarily mean they've moved too far > away- with all this crazy sh-t going on with the phone companies they've > added several new area codes around here, and quite a few of the 617 > districts are now 508. > > Call me ignorant, but who exactly are they? Their address is on the > inside of the Griffin 'Chronicle of the Black Sword' album, but...? I > don't know anything else about them. Do they have a band or something I > should know about? Ahhh, now THERE'S a long and twisty tale.... Kevin Sommers ? Primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu ? >> hmmmmmmm...... From sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Jun 26 22:06:13 1998 From: sonique at MAXWELL.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 10:06:13 +0800 Subject: OFF: (Fwd) Quick Favor, Sonique? Message-ID: From: DAMON CAPEHART ------ My wedding is tomorrow, and I'll be in Colorado Springs all week, so I've unsubscribed for the time being. See you in a while! Damon -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique / \( o`-, ----- may sonique at mail.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they UIN #14292706 on ICQ /////// : ; --- Fly! From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Jun 27 11:33:16 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 08:33:16 -0700 Subject: OFF:VH1 Message-ID: Just a reminder to European listees that the Friday Rock Show is still on every Friday at midnight (UK time). Thomas the Vance is as irritating as ever but just to give you a flavour the first 4 videos played last night were; Pantera - Mouth For War Ozzy Osbourne - No More Tears The Tea Party - Temptation Van Halen - Hot For Teacher I mean, come on, The Tea Party were on television last night! Thank God the VCR was running. So get watching and make sure it doesn't disappear from our screens. Zeit From antisol at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Jun 27 03:38:42 1998 From: antisol at HOTMAIL.COM (The Automind) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:38:42 PDT Subject: HW: Welcome to the Future Message-ID: >Hawkwind: >Welcome to the Future 4-cd set, all the >disc names sound familiar (text of the festival, space ritual vol. 2 >masters of the universe, and one other).... >$21.95... worth it? For 4 CD's it is! :) >I have space ritual, is that just the 2nd disk? or is that the > "other" ritual that gets dissed a lot? I've got one called "Space Ritual Volume 2" from "Magnum Music Group". The track listing goes: 1. Space- (which sounds like the end of Space is Deep, but it's edited to be an intro) 2. Orgone Acc. 3. Upside Down 4. Sonic Attack 5. Time We Left 6. Ten Seconds of Forever 7. Brainstorm 8. 7x7 9. Mastr of the Universe 10.Welcome to the future - and it plays continuously, though I don't think it's all from the same show, and some of the songs get REALLY spacey and lose their energy. 'Got a great Sonic Attack though, almost as good as the one on Hawklords Live-And I think Lemmy's yelling in the background too! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK Sat Jun 27 13:08:45 1998 From: eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK (eldritch) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 10:08:45 -0700 Subject: HW: Welcome to the Future Message-ID: Joseph DeLillo wrote: > I just got that in the other day. It's all right, but the it's not a > very good mixing job, although I have not heard the orginal albums to > judge the sound quality. I am not sure if Space Ritual 2 is just disc > two of the Space Ritual set, as I don't have either, except for in the > 4-cd set. > > I hope this bit of info helps > > Andrew A. Apold wrote: > > > Hawkwind: > > Welcome to the Future 4-cd set, all the > > disc names sound familiar (text of the festival, space ritual vol. 2 > > masters of the universe, and one other).... > > > > $21.95... worth it? > > > > I have space ritual, is that just the 2nd disk? or is that the > > "other" ritual that gets dissed a lot? > > > > ================================= > > -Andrew Apold (mordru at flite.net) Well all the original albums sound pretty crap: SR VOL 2 is the best of the bunch.. It's the alternate takes from SR tour, it isn't mixed any where near as good as sr. I think Nik gave them to Dave Anderson when he was skint like the rest of the junk. If I remember rightly anyway. Dave runs Demi Monde records and generally licenses all the CD stuff to Magnum. Magnum seem to be incapable of doing good packaging. Mind you why not package crap in crap :-) Rich ;-) From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Jun 27 10:15:15 1998 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 07:15:15 PDT Subject: BOC: It's Showtime Message-ID: Hi Kids: This isn't a review proper of the Showtime gig, that will be coming soon (I hope). By the time I get around to it it might be a bit after the fact. Heh heh. All in all a great performance by BOC. I am glad I made it (I almost didn't). I had been sick as a dog all week long pumping all kinds of crap into my system to get up the strength to go, and by the time I sat through the 2 opening acts I was starting to lose it in a big way. I guess my throat didn't need all the abuse I gave it during BOC as I was popping cough drops faster than I could unwrap the damn things by the midpoint of the BOC set. Brian: >Some blues cover that I should know the name of, but I couldn't hear >the words (I was standing in front of Buck's guitar rack.) > With special guest, Smokin' Joe Bonomassa! Smokin' Joe and Buck >traded licks on this one. It was incredible! Yeah, that was truly unexpected. Being from New York I of course had heard of Smokin' Joe but I had never had the pleasure of hearing him live. WOW! This kid is amazing, and will be an unstoppable force someday. It was wild to see his 6'+ standing next to Buck and towering over him as they jammed together. I caught Buck a few times looking over at him as if to say "Holy SHIT, I must be getting old." When Buck Dharma looks at a guitarist with an awestruck expression, you know he is on fire. Theo: >A great venue [converted movie house!] though the sound was lacking. > the mosh are is actually behind the PA, so all you're hearing are > the stage amps and some monitors if you get close. Much better > sounding further back, but you can't see the band. They should've > taken advantage of the sloping floor and put the band down in > front, but instead have elevated the stage area, losing the natural > amphitheater effect! Duh? Yeah, my one big complaint as well. Musically it gave the impression of a small garage band pushing it's equipment to the limit, but I couldn't hear the vocals to save myself. Since I knew the words it made it so I almost didn't notice after awhile, but things that Eric might have said between tunes went right on by me. And of course this made the blues tune they threw together with Smokin' Joe impossible for me to understand... especially since through most of that song I was trying to get myself uninvolded in a fight that broke out directly in front of me! Some dickweed and his girlfriend get in an argument and he cuffed her right there in the crowd. She starts bawling, and some gal half in the bag (ok, three quarters in the bag) goes to her to comfort her, only to start trading punches with the guy! Arms are flailing and beer is flying and Torgo heads for cover. 3 feet from Buck Dharma and I have to put up with assholes! GEEZ! Good to see Theo and Brian again, hope to see you guys at tBS gig in Ithaca. I think I have my girlfriend (who hates all things Surgeons) talked into going to this one, as I know damn well you have to have a good time at a Surgeons gig. Just impossible to do otherwise. Oh well, I am off to buy the latest "Calypso" album for Theo. heh heh. Just kidding dude. If you could have seen the look of total revulsion on your face about halfway through their gig... well it was pretty funny. :^) Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** Torgo at norwich.net DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos *********************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Sat Jun 27 12:10:24 1998 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 10:10:24 -0600 Subject: Off: Ozric Message-ID: eldritch wrote: > There was one Ozrics video at least, but I can't remember the details.. > > I think I over-ozriced myself with that vitamin enhanced box set... > Rich- I don't think I'd have any problem with that!!! I can't get enuf right now:) Pam From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Jun 27 20:31:43 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 17:31:43 -0700 Subject: Off: Ozric Message-ID: You can get the following video from CD-NOW. Ozric Tentacles - Live 105 min. Concert in Brixton, 1991. "Space Jam," "Erpland," "Dissolution," + more. Hi-fi stereo. VIDEO MUSIC INC R-3127 $17.99 You can get to them via my homepage, then just click on the CD-NOW logo. Hope this helps. Zeit From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Jun 27 20:33:50 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 17:33:50 -0700 Subject: Off: Ozric Message-ID: Oops! I've just noticed my signature file is missing! http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com is where you want to go. Zeit Stuart Hamilton wrote: > > You can get the following video from CD-NOW. > > Ozric Tentacles - Live > 105 min. Concert in Brixton, 1991. "Space Jam," "Erpland," "Dissolution," > + more. Hi-fi stereo. VIDEO MUSIC INC R-3127 $17.99 > > You can get to them via my homepage, then just click on the CD-NOW logo. > > Hope this helps. > > Zeit From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Jun 27 12:35:24 1998 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 16:35:24 GMT Subject: Off: Ozric In-Reply-To: <35958EEF.463E@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 27 Jun 1998 17:31:43 -0700, you sent through the ether: >You can get to them via my homepage, then just click on the CD-NOW logo. No! Go via my page so *I* get the cosmic credit.. oop! -S. From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Jun 27 22:01:38 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Hamilton) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 19:01:38 -0700 Subject: Off: Ozric Message-ID: I may be from the country but I ain't no fool! Zeit Steve Pond wrote: > > On Sat, 27 Jun 1998 17:31:43 -0700, you sent through the ether: > > >You can get to them via my homepage, then just click on the CD-NOW logo. > > No! Go via my page so *I* get the cosmic credit.. oop! > > -S. From mumford at ONLINE.NO Sun Jun 28 05:25:58 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 11:25:58 +0200 Subject: off: ozric Message-ID: > I may be from the country but I ain't no fool! > > Zeit > > Steve Pond wrote: > > > > On Sat, 27 Jun 1998 17:31:43 -0700, you sent through the ether: > > > > >You can get to them via my homepage, then just click on the CD-NOW logo. > > > > No! Go via my page so *I* get the cosmic credit.. oop! > > > > -S. > Shame on both of you. Now stop it lads - everybody just go to http://www.cd... er, Steve or Zeit's pages. How much credit han you haul in on this CDnow thing??? Can you get cash?? Chr. ObSoccer: Last week, joyous rioting in the streets of Oslo, last night the streets remained empty. This is a nation in mourning. From mumford at ONLINE.NO Sun Jun 28 05:35:49 1998 From: mumford at ONLINE.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 11:35:49 +0200 Subject: HW: Don Falcone Message-ID: Well, I have been listening to this very recent Saceship Eyes CD, pretty good psychey-spacy drum'n'bass/techno and it also has Harvey Bainbridge on one track. Anyway, this and Melting Euphoria's (excellent) Through The Strands of Time are what I have of Don Falcone's, and as regards ME that album is their only really good one I have heard anyway... (Upon The Solar Winds put me to sleep and got traded off though) those spoken/lyrics are great, this Falcone guy is born to carry Calvert's mantle if he ever joins Hawkwind (he should :-) I really recommend people who have not, to check out his stuff, he's got a homepage somewhere - I don't recall where at the moment though. Chr. From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Jun 28 16:03:03 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Zeitgeist) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:03:03 -0700 Subject: off: ozric Message-ID: You get 7% for purchases made through your link. If your cosmic credit comes to over $100 per quarter you can claim cash. Otherwise you can get your credit deducted from any orders you make. But keep it a secret! Zeit Christian000Mumford wrote: > > > I may be from the country but I ain't no fool! > > > > Zeit > > > > Steve Pond wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, 27 Jun 1998 17:31:43 -0700, you sent through the ether: > > > > > > >You can get to them via my homepage, then just click on the CD-NOW > logo. > > > > > > No! Go via my page so *I* get the cosmic credit.. oop! > > > > > > -S. > > > > Shame on both of you. Now stop it lads - everybody just go to > http://www.cd.. er, Steve or Zeit's pages. How much credit han you > haul in on this CDnow thing??? Can you get cash?? > > Chr. > > ObSoccer: Last week, joyous rioting in the streets of Oslo, last night the > streets remained empty. This is a nation in mourning. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Jun 28 08:57:33 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:57:33 +0100 Subject: HW Chris and Mary Message-ID: On tor 25 jun 1998 22.32 -0500 "Jerome Kekatos" wrote: > Last I had heard from them Chris had invested a fortune in equipment and > was going to open a small recording studio. That was true as of some years ago--Chris had opened a small recording studio and I recorded some stuff in various guises in it. Unfortunately Chris is possibly about the most disorganized person I've ever met--he continually showed up late to sessions or not at all! I don't think his studio project was doing very well, though it should have been doing excellently if he had only been running with some kind of professionalism. Great guy, Chris--utterly in space though :/ When I'd left in '95 he had just switched to some partnership with another studio, though had had some trouble because he never had enough money to pay the rent on the old studio and they were gonna impound all his stuff! He could have easily been raking in money hand over fist, even by charging nominal rates just to help people out. Ah well. A year or so later, I heard he was up on charges for possibly dealing heroin. Personally, I'm dubious since some of the evidence I heard reported was people misunderstanding the HW news on his answering machine as dealer's code (!) and "shabby-looking twenty- something's" (like myself!) going up to his flat at odd hours. He sure as hell nevered offered or sold me any heroin! And if he was as broke as he seemed to be I'd would have thought he would have tried to sell it to me if he was dealing! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Jun 28 13:50:55 1998 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 17:50:55 GMT Subject: off: ozric In-Reply-To: <199806280927.LAA02596@online.no> Message-ID: On Sun, 28 Jun 1998 11:25:58 +0200, you sent through the ether: >Shame on both of you. Now stop it lads - everybody just go to >http://www.cd... er, Steve or Zeit's pages. How much credit han you >haul in on this CDnow thing??? Can you get cash?? I only have a link from my (abandoned) Sparks site.. and so far I`ve had close to 200 dollars from it. I should add links from my Hawkwind/David Devant/Glam Rock and ICU sites shouldn`t I.. ..no.. just exploit Sparks fans.. they deserve it. S. From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sun Jun 28 17:55:18 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:55:18 +0100 Subject: HW: Welcome to the Future In-Reply-To: eldritch's message of Sat, 27 Jun 1998 10:08:45 -0700 Message-ID: eldritch writes: > Joseph DeLillo wrote: > > > I just got that in the other day. It's all right, but the it's not a > > very good mixing job, although I have not heard the orginal albums to > > judge the sound quality. I am not sure if Space Ritual 2 is just disc > > two of the Space Ritual set, as I don't have either, except for in the > > 4-cd set. > > > > I hope this bit of info helps > > > > Andrew A. Apold wrote: > > > > > Hawkwind: > > > Welcome to the Future 4-cd set, all the > > > disc names sound familiar (text of the festival, space ritual vol. 2 > > > masters of the universe, and one other).... > > > > > > $21.95... worth it? > > > > > > I have space ritual, is that just the 2nd disk? or is that the > > > "other" ritual that gets dissed a lot? > > > > > > ================================= > > > -Andrew Apold (mordru at flite.net) > > Well all the original albums sound pretty crap: SR VOL 2 is the best of > the bunch.. > It's the alternate takes from SR tour, it isn't mixed any where near as > good as sr. > I think Nik gave them to Dave Anderson when he was skint like the rest of > the junk. > If I remember rightly anyway. Dave runs Demi Monde records and generally > licenses > all the CD stuff to Magnum. Magnum seem to be incapable of doing good > packaging. > Mind you why not package crap in crap :-) > > Rich This is pretty much as I understand it too. Certainly Hawkwind get no money from the sale of these particular releases which have now been issued and reissued at least half a dozen times under different sounding titles (possibly more - if you skim through the Codex you'll see the same tracks recurring constantly). They are sold at dead cheap prices and the Hawkwind bins are always stacked with them, completely crowding out the official Hawkwind releases. As I understand it, this was supposed to be the final issue of these tracks and after this there would be no more - however there was something of a SNAFU and what should have been the whole of Text of Festival 2LP didn't make it on - only the usual tracks have been issued. So it wouldn't surprise me if there is yet another version - possibly with Text of Festival in its entirity. If you already have these tracks on other CDs don't bother with this box set at all. However it has to be conceded that early Hawkwind in any form is not common and for a complete overview of Hawkwind history you do need *one* copy and I have to admit that (even with the appalling sound quality - which for me just adds to the atmostphere in this case) I really enjoy the Text of Festival album with its wonderful endless Hawkwind spaced-out jamming sessions. When someone finally gets the entire 2LP onto a CD - this I will definitely buy. jill obsmug> selling my Glastonbury ticket to a friend 8-) obworried> meeting my friend again once they get back...... obregret> not being there to see Tony Bennet live - what an amazing performer he is! Age 70 and whatelse? I wanna be like that! ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From des at SUPERLINK.NET Mon Jun 29 01:00:21 1998 From: des at SUPERLINK.NET (E F) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 01:00:21 -0400 Subject: test Message-ID: this is only a test -- "Thousands of years ago, cats were worshipped as gods. Cats have never forgotten this." - Anonymous From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Jun 29 00:17:29 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 04:17:29 +0000 Subject: OFF: DP Message-ID: > BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: > > >Got a boot with Morse on it and it is really good. An incredible > >guitarist. > > He came from Kansas (the group), am I right? > > > Goran Janicijevic > He was in Kansas briefly, but I think only in the late 70s or 80s, quite a few years after Kansas ceased to matter. He wasn't an original member or anything. I could be wrong, but I think that's the way it went. -- Nick From Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG Mon Jun 29 08:18:31 1998 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG (Olivier Boigey) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:18:31 +0200 Subject: HW:French festival Message-ID: Two news, that remain unverified up to now: 1)Hawkwind would play on Saturday July,11 in Gamaches, for a festival/meeting around Cannabis. The festival has been reduced, Nik, Ozric Tentacles and others were to be seen, but this 3 days event is to be only for the Saturday. Gamaches is close to Abbeville or Le treport in Somme; and 1h30 hours from Calais e.g. The venue is still not confirmed, due to Ipoint2 2)There would be a new manager with the band, and D.S. would have been sacked. More info, ASAP. Olivier Olivier Boigey 6 rue Pasquier - 92300 Levallois Perret - FRANCE TEL/FAX: 33 1 41 05 08 50 e-mail: olivier_boigey at technolink.org http://www.altern.org/obwaje/hmpg.htm The stars are matter, We are matter, But it doesnt matter Don Van Vliet - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From christmu at EUNET.NO Mon Jun 29 09:37:17 1998 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (Christian000Mumford) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:37:17 +0200 Subject: email address change Message-ID: After tomorrow both my online.no accounts will expire, and please direct all mail to christmu at eunet.instead - or you'll have a different grumpy robot returning your emails rather than this one replying :) Chr- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 29 04:18:07 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:18:07 +0100 Subject: off: ozric In-Reply-To: <199806280927.LAA02596@online.no> Message-ID: In article <199806280927.LAA02596 at online.no>, Christian000Mumford writes >ObSoccer: Last week, joyous rioting in the streets of Oslo, last night the >streets remained empty. This is a nation in mourning. Damn good effort, though. I was right along with you for the Brazil game. -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jun 29 11:55:17 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:55:17 +0100 Subject: HW:French festival In-Reply-To: <2472603583.124228223@technolink.org> Message-ID: In article <2472603583.124228223 at technolink.org>, Olivier Boigey writes >2)There would be a new manager with the band, and D.S. would have been sacked. > >More info, ASAP. > >Olivier Gosh! What *could* have made them *do* such a thing?! -- Jon From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jun 29 12:50:59 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:50:59 +0100 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree In-Reply-To: Stuart Hamilton's message of Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:21:31 -0700 Message-ID: Stuart Hamilton writes: > Wooahh! Hold the fort. I missed the original post, but really. > PT remain one of the few exciting, adventurous bands in their genre. > Granted, things get a bit overlong for my liking, but they remain > innovators. Outside now. > > Zeit They were! Voyage 34, Sky Moves Sideways, Stars Die - these will be among my absolute top 20 favourite music forever. IMO this is when they showed their greatest individuality and innovation. Since then their style has drifted steadily into an increasingly heavier Pink Floyd type reproduction music rather than their own style. This could change of course - and I'll be the first to cheer if it does but I think they badly missed the publicity wagon when it was offered. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM Mon Jun 29 13:22:23 1998 From: johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 19:22:23 +0200 Subject: HW: Welcome to the Future Message-ID: >If you already have these tracks on other CDs don't bother with this box >set at all. However it has to be conceded that early Hawkwind in any >form is not common and for a complete overview of Hawkwind history you >do need *one* copy and I have to admit that (even with the appalling >sound quality - which for me just adds to the atmostphere in this case) >I really enjoy the Text of Festival album with its wonderful endless >Hawkwind spaced-out jamming sessions. When someone finally gets the >entire 2LP onto a CD - this I will definitely buy. well, if you *two* CD copies of the first LP of _Text of Festival_, the Welcome Box is a definitely buy... when you're buying this box, you'll end up with the following albums: 1) Text of Festival, vinyl side A, B 2) Bring Me the Head of Your Gagarin 3) Space Ritual vol 2 (that's close to SR vinyl side C, D) 4) Text of Festival, vinyl side A, B, C I think it's fair to point on the redundant parts a bit... However, the Lemmy Bass Freakout in SRII/Time We Left is quite a peak that shouldn't be missed. >jill -joe From judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Jun 29 15:21:37 1998 From: judge48 at HOTMAIL.COM (trevor thoms) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:21:37 PDT Subject: off: Glastonbury 98 Message-ID: >>From owner-boc-l at listserv.spc.edu Wed Jun 24 05:14:15 1998 >Received: from listserv.spc.edu (listserv at listserv.spc.edu [192.107.46.113]) > by listserv.spc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.8/SPC-2.2-NORELAY) with ESMTP id FAA21550; > Wed, 24 Jun 1998 05:45:27 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from LISTSERV.SPC.EDU by LISTSERV.SPC.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release > 1.8b) with spool id 145967 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Wed, 24 Jun > 1998 05:45:26 -0400 >Received: from mailgate.spc.edu (root at mailgate.spc.edu [192.107.46.158]) by > listserv.spc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.8/SPC-2.2-NORELAY) with ESMTP id FAA21543 > for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 05:45:24 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (fofp at holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.166.17]) by > mailgate.spc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/SPC-3.0-NORELAY) with ESMTP id FAA20289 > for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 05:45:19 -0400 (EDT) >Received: (from fofp at localhost) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA08424; > Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:45:13 +0100 (BST) >Message-ID: <199806240945.KAA08424 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk> >Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:45:13 +0100 >Reply-To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >From: M Holmes >Subject: Re: off: Glastonbury 98 >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >In-Reply-To: bart's message of Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:53:58 +0100 > >bart writes: > >> So anybody else here at glastonbury this year ? > >I'll be there dude. My tent will be pretty much where it was last time. >Up in the field to the right of the Sacred Field and towards the top >fence at the peak of the hill. It'll have a wee Jolly Roger pennant >attached to a silver dome tent if I can find the penant later. > >Come up for a beer... > >> Tim > >FoFP > Boy what a muddy mess. Next year I will pack my wellies. At least the mushrooms were magnificent combined with Mandragora! Festival Eye broadcast Nik and Trevor live via the internet to 1 million people. This was the first time this has ever been done at Glastonbury. More on this later as I left early and Trev is not back yet!! We will be doing the same for the Big Green Gathering -- will keep you all posted! Lori ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Hawklord57 at AOL.COM Mon Jun 29 23:08:52 1998 From: Hawklord57 at AOL.COM (Duane Hoyt) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:08:52 EDT Subject: Off: Tape Trade Message-ID: Hello all, If Charlie ( ChuckRecs) could please contact me onlist, I would be much appreciative. I lost your address, and email address, and I have part two of the tape swap ready to go. Thanks Duane ObCd: Brian Setzer Orchestra - Guitar Slinger From Hawklord57 at AOL.COM Mon Jun 29 23:52:18 1998 From: Hawklord57 at AOL.COM (Duane Hoyt) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:52:18 EDT Subject: Off: Tape Trade Message-ID: Sorry I ment OFFLIST! Thanks, Duane From StevenTice at AOL.COM Mon Jun 29 23:55:40 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:55:40 EDT Subject: email address change Message-ID: Okey-doke, Christian! :-) So...um...anything up with the Imaginos project...? SET From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Tue Jun 30 03:38:08 1998 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 03:38:08 EDT Subject: Tape Swap Message-ID: Sorry, but I didn't retain the name or address of the person to whom I sent my tape. Well, if you're reading this, I was wondering what you thought of it. Reply publicly or privately, whatever you think most appropriate. Some pretty hot tunes, eh? Feel free to pass it along. And if you do, go ahead and take the band names off--I kind of regret having done that. Better to be anonymous. Chuck Rosenberg 119 Nanette St. Redlands, Ca. 92373 NP/OBsong--Zappa--"The Eric Dolphy Memorial Barbecue" From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Jun 30 08:32:31 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:32:31 +0100 Subject: off: Glastonbury 98 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:21:37 PDT." <19980629192139.20917.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > >> So anybody else here at glastonbury this year ? > > > >I'll be there dude. My tent will be pretty much where it was last time. > >Up in the field to the right of the Sacred Field and towards the top > >fence at the peak of the hill. It'll have a wee Jolly Roger pennant > >attached to a silver dome tent if I can find the penant later. > > > >Come up for a beer... Mike, forgive me for not finding you. I was too busy drowning ;-) > Festival Eye broadcast Nik and Trevor live via the internet to 1 million > people. This was the first time this has ever been done at Glastonbury. Where & when did they play ??? Overall, I thought G98 was the Apocalypse. After last year, I didn't think it could get any worse, but, by a mile, this was achieved. Luckily my tent wasn't submerged, but by saturday morning, my pitch was on the shoreline of a lake. I thought the organisation basically sucked too, especially the stage crews & sound, who didn't really take any account of anything as far as I could tell. Loads of bands (mostly those I went for) cancelled or were hugely late. On the plus side, I thought a few bands played well. James were great, and Primal Scream really went down well. Foolishly, I left their set early to see Portishead - a mistake, since they were an hour late, it pissed with rain and Beth's vocals were so low in the mix it hardly registered. The Ozrics started well (and late), but I was too tired/wet/cold to stay for the whole set. Spiritualized pulled one out of the bag sunday night - glorious weather to boot, joined by the London Community Gospel Choir and horn section. Fantastic. Even Bob Dylan played well! ObHealthHorror: The silage tractor brought down to the Dance Tent to pump out the excess water. Human error (!) caused the pump to spew not suck :-P Result - human shit fresh from the lavs all over the floor. I think I'll watch it on Channel 4 next year, Tim From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 30 11:27:43 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:27:43 +0100 Subject: off: Glastonbury 98 In-Reply-To: bart's message of Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:32:31 +0100 Message-ID: bart writes: > > >> So anybody else here at glastonbury this year ? > > > > > >I'll be there dude. My tent will be pretty much where it was last time. > > >Up in the field to the right of the Sacred Field and towards the top > > >fence at the peak of the hill. It'll have a wee Jolly Roger pennant > > >attached to a silver dome tent if I can find the penant later. > > > > > >Come up for a beer... > > Mike, forgive me for not finding you. I was too busy drowning ;-) I thought you were only waving. > > Festival Eye broadcast Nik and Trevor live via the internet to 1 million > > people. This was the first time this has ever been done at Glastonbury. > > Where & when did they play ??? I saw that they had played. > Overall, I thought G98 was the Apocalypse. After last year, I didn't > think it could get any worse, but, by a mile, this was achieved. Yep. I've never seen sheets of water course down a hill. Apparently this was a record one day rainfall for the area. > Luckily my tent wasn't submerged Mine was letting in water through the bottom. I guess plastic is permeable when you camp on top of water. > but by saturday morning, my pitch > was on the shoreline of a lake. We were in the top field but even there the soil couldn't hold the water that just lay on the surface of the mud. > I thought the organisation basically > sucked too, especially the stage crews & sound, who didn't really take > any account of anything as far as I could tell. Loads of bands > (mostly those I went for) cancelled or were hugely late. To be expected when roads for miles around were flooded out. The best laugh has to be the Dance Tent. A huge marquee was erected for the trip-hoppers. Sadly (AWWWWWWH) this was flooded out too. The folks there ingeniously demanded a Skoosh Wagon to sort the problem out. A Skoosh Wagon is a tanker with a huge hose which is used to skoosh out the pits under the toilers. They suck up all the shit and toilet roll and stuff, which is just as well when X gallons per minute of water are pouring down the hill to join the less savoury fluids. So logically enough the would be dancers figured that anything that could suck up shit could also suck up the pool of muddy water from the Dance Tent. So after a bit of whining and stamping of feet (or sloshing of feet I guess) a Skoosh Wagon was duly dispatched to the Dance Tent. All was going according to plan right up until the moment the driver hit the switch. The mode currently selected was not in fact "Suck" and the Dance Tent was treated to what may have been the most odious blow job in history. It took more Skossh Wagons and a load of industrial disinfectant to sort things out though perhaps Vicks Vapour Rub might have offered something by way of sponsorship if asked. > On the plus side, I thought a few bands played well. James were > great, and Primal Scream really went down well. Foolishly, I left > their set early to see Portishead - a mistake, since they were an hour > late, it pissed with rain and Beth's vocals were so low in the mix it > hardly registered. The Ozrics started well (and late), but I was too > tired/wet/cold to stay for the whole set. I caught the end of the set which was excellent, though slightly spoiled by amplified music from the two adjacent tents. Having three tents with amplified music in the tiny Avalon field is comletely stupid. The Global set at Croissant Neuf was also truly excellent and I duly tracked them down to their tent and bought two CD's off 'em. > Tim FoFP From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jun 30 13:37:00 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:37:00 +0100 Subject: off: Glastonbury 98 In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:27:43 +0100 Message-ID: I see that their Web page (in conjunction with the Grauniad) is asking for "personal experience" stories. So if anyone is feeling journalistically inclined.... Glad to see everyone back safe. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Tue Jun 30 16:06:40 1998 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:06:40 +0000 Subject: Tape Swap In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, it's been how long now?....... I received a tape from a scandanavian country - sorry, don't remember which, oooh weeks and weeks ago. I can't even remember how long it is since i passed the tape along to the next in line. But I have yet to receive tape #2. So if you're a Scandanavian guy who sent me a C100 with a bunch of track titles on the inlay card, but no sender address or anything....... what's up? Alasdair Macdonald (alimac at netcomuk.co.uk) -- Page me online: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 Send me E-mail Express direct to my screen: 1573250 at pager.mirabilis.com alimac at netcomuk.co.uk (Alasdair Macdonald) From jdelillo at IQUEST.NET Tue Jun 30 15:20:01 1998 From: jdelillo at IQUEST.NET (Joseph DeLillo) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:20:01 -0500 Subject: ua/liberty reissues Message-ID: Anybody know where is a good place to get the Hawkwind U.A./Liberty reissues I have read about on the Official Hawkwind Homepage. They are supposedly the first 5 albums digittally remastered with some bonus tracks. Are they available in the U.S. or are they going to be available in the U.S. Any help would be much appriciated. From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Tue Jun 30 18:11:18 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:11:18 -0400 Subject: ua/liberty reissues Message-ID: try Jim Lasko- jmfinity at now-online.com rj Joseph DeLillo wrote: > Anybody know where is a good place to get the Hawkwind U.A./Liberty > reissues I have read about on the Official Hawkwind Homepage. They are > supposedly the first 5 albums digittally remastered with some bonus > tracks. Are they available in the U.S. or are they going to be > available in the U.S. Any help would be much appriciated.