From christmu at EUNET.NO Wed Jul 1 02:47:54 1998 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu at EUNET.NO) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:47:54 +0200 Subject: OFF: Masters of Reality Message-ID: Well, I got the How High The Moon CD in trade from someone, having read good things about this band from people on this list... and it is! I've only given it a few cursory spins but it does appeal to the Sabbathy/Monster Magnet-y part of my brain so far. Is there some sort of discog or bio of them around?? When was Ginger Baker in the band? (the ever present HW connection rears its ugly head!) They look really old :-) (Older than Black Sabbath last nite :-) Chr. ("No more mr. nice guy - in the metal mood") ObCD: Gwar _America Must Be Destroyed_ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jul 1 09:23:59 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:23:59 -0400 Subject: BOC: Sandy Pearlman Sighted?? Message-ID: This was posted on AOL yesterday: Subject: Meet GoodNoise's Sandy Pearlman Date: Tue, Jun 30, 1998 8:45 AM From: BOCspectre Message-id: <1998063012451500.IAA05850 at ladder03.news.aol.com> New Internet Record Company to Pioneer Market For Online Music Delivery GoodNoise Corporation Founded as First Record Company Focused on the Internet; New Company Features Unique Management Team with Extensive Music and Technology Industry Experience PALO ALTO, Calif., June 30 /PRNewswire/ -- In response to the exploding demand for music on the Internet, a new company was launched today that expects to pioneer the market for online music delivery, or "downloadable" recordings (music delivered to consumers through a file transfer over the Internet). The new company, which is called GoodNoise Corporation (OTC Bulletin Board: GDNO), is the first record company to focus on the Internet as the primary platform for the sale and electronic delivery of music. GoodNoise was founded earlier this year by a unique group of entrepreneurs from the technology and music industries and is backed by an impressive advisory board that includes well-known artists, and technology and music industry leaders. ................................... Samuel (Sandy) Pearlman, vice president of Media and Artist Development, is a recording industry veteran, having been a record label president, record producer, songwriter and rock journalist. Pearlman was president of 415 Records, an alternative label featuring Romeo Void, Translator, Wire Train, Red Rockers, Love Club and Manitoba's Wild Kingdom. During the 1970s and early 1980s, he produced recordings for Blue Oyster Cult, The Clash, the Dictators, Pavlov's Dog and Dream Syndicate. He produced the National Public Radio special on Heavy Metal and was a rock critic for Crawdaddy magazine. Sandy owns a recording studio in Mill Valley, California and is a lecturer for the music department at Stanford University and the Film school at California State University, Monterey Bay. He is a Woodrow Wilson Fellow in the History of Idea and New School Fellow in Sociology/Anthropology. From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Wed Jul 1 10:10:41 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:10:41 -0400 Subject: BOC: Sandy Pearlman Sighted?? Message-ID: >a new company was launched today that >expects to pioneer the market for online music delivery, or "downloadable" >recordings (music delivered to consumers through a file transfer over the >Internet). The new company, which is called GoodNoise Corporation (OTC >Bulletin Board: GDNO), is the first record company to focus on the Internet as >the primary platform for the sale and electronic delivery of music. So the first offering will be the full version of Imaginos with downloadable videos and a time-traveling, Myst/Riven-esque, Desdinova adventure game included? Sandy, like George Lucas, must have just been waiting for the "right technology" to be developed before executing his ultimate plan for Imaginos :-) And the Brain Surgeons will embark on the "World Trepanation" tour thanks to the royalty money! Well, I can dream can't I? Brian From mordru at FLITE.NET Wed Jul 1 10:50:10 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 10:50:10 -0400 Subject: BOC: Sandy Pearlman Sighted?? Message-ID: >So the first offering will be the full version of Imaginos with >downloadable videos and a time-traveling, Myst/Riven-esque, Desdinova >adventure game included? Please, anything but the Myst type of game, how that keeps selling I'll never know. There are so many cooler games that could be done, even BOC Doom was better.... Suggestions: ME-262 WW2 Aerial Combat Simulator, with of course the appropriate music. - I've used ME-262's in flight simulators before, they were fast but the turn radius was horrendous, you hopefully snuck up on people before they knew what was happening, if they took one quick turn you'd circle forever to get back.... Siege of Baron von Frankenstein's Castle at Weisseria - something similar to Lords of the Realm or Warcraft, real-time siege.... Del Rio's Game - something like 7 cities of gold, you go out in a boat/expedition, looking for the mirror... combine with attempting to get it back into Europe... -AAA From etlrbsy at ETL.ERICSSON.SE Wed Jul 1 10:58:36 1998 From: etlrbsy at ETL.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:58:36 +0100 Subject: HW: DB @ Glastonbury Message-ID: Hiya, long time no post. Anyway, I bumped into Dave Brock at Glasters, asked him if he was playing and he said "not in this quagmire". He also told me that apart from US dates later this year there isn't any gigs planned. Missed Ozrics, although I gather they were very late appearing. Best band for me was (bizarrely) Tony Bennet. Apparantly I was on BBC2 dancing during his set. bye - Rob From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 1 12:18:53 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:18:53 +0100 Subject: HW: DB @ Glastonbury In-Reply-To: Rob Stuckey's message of Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:58:36 +0100 Message-ID: Rob Stuckey writes: > Hiya, long time no post. Anyway, I bumped into Dave Brock at Glasters, > asked him if he was playing and he said "not in this quagmire". He also > told me that apart from US dates later this year there isn't any gigs > planned. Ah - then the motorbiking fest is off. > Missed Ozrics, although I gather they were very late appearing. Best > band for me was (bizarrely) Tony Bennet. Apparantly I was on BBC2 > dancing during his set. ah - now I wonder if I still have that bit of tape on the video! jill > > bye - Rob > ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mordru at FLITE.NET Wed Jul 1 14:15:41 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:15:41 -0400 Subject: @#(*8!$% Message-ID: Some dweebs broke into my car, smashed the window, just to take my case of tapes. All were copies of CDs I have, with the exception of: Hawkwind Covers All 4 tape set That New Year's Eve Phantasy Star show in Cleveland a few years back My Stalk-Forrest Group Album Tape and The tape I currently had in the BOC-L Tape Trade/Ring.... I don't suppose anyone can help in attempting to get these back, especially the HW covers all, I'll be glad to pay for it again... Also, sorry Chris Allen, I can't send you the second tape, unless I can get another, or get that person (I lost the name with the tape) to send one directly to you.... -AAA From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Wed Jul 1 17:44:48 1998 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 21:44:48 +0000 Subject: @#(*8!$% In-Reply-To: <199807011815.OAA20702@in.flite.net> Message-ID: I've sent you 2 tapes in the tape ring Andrew; a housey tape that i made and an unidentified HM tape that i received from person unknown in scandanavia. I'm guessing, from it's companions in your car, that it's the latter tape that was stolen? In which case i'm still waiting for this person to forward me the next tape.... see a message i posted a day or two ago. Oh well least they didn't take the car. All the best, Alasdair On 1 Jul 98 at 14:15, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > Some dweebs broke into my car, smashed the window, just > to take my case of tapes. All were copies of CDs I have, > with the exception of: > > Hawkwind Covers All 4 tape set > That New Year's Eve Phantasy Star show in Cleveland a few years back > My Stalk-Forrest Group Album Tape > > and > > The tape I currently had in the BOC-L Tape Trade/Ring.... > > I don't suppose anyone can help in attempting to > get these back, especially the HW covers all, I'll > be glad to pay for it again... > > Also, sorry Chris Allen, I can't send you the second > tape, unless I can get another, or get that person > (I lost the name with the tape) to send one directly > to you.... > > > > > -AAA > -- Page me online: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 Send me E-mail Express direct to my screen: 1573250 at pager.mirabilis.com alimac at netcomuk.co.uk (Alasdair Macdonald) From mordru at FLITE.NET Wed Jul 1 16:50:46 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:50:46 -0400 Subject: @#(*8!$% Message-ID: >I've sent you 2 tapes in the tape ring Andrew; a housey tape that i >made and an unidentified HM tape that i received from person unknown >in scandanavia. I'm guessing, from it's companions in your car, that >it's the latter tape that was stolen? No, the former. The 2nd hasn't arrived yet. -AAA From johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM Wed Jul 1 17:13:19 1998 From: johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:13:19 +0200 Subject: Tape Swap Message-ID: At 20:06 1998-06-30 +0000, you wrote: >Well, it's been how long now?....... > >I received a tape from a scandanavian country - sorry, don't remember >which, oooh weeks and weeks ago. I can't even remember how long it is >since i passed the tape along to the next in line. > >But I have yet to receive tape #2. > >So if you're a Scandanavian guy who sent me a C100 with a bunch of >track titles on the inlay card, but no sender address or >anything....... what's up? d'oh, you make me feel like a malfunctional link in an otherwise unbroken chain of tape swaps... what's up? I'm decoding a US tape in a very slow and patient way. But do not panic, my investigations will not take me any further. No sender address? Not anything? I'm glad I at least managed to put the tape in the parcel :0) how was the tape then? I felt like an old fart when I saw what I'd produced. Some tracks were on topic, some tracks was done by local heroes, some tracks was strange sabbath covers. But what was really scary was when I realized that a tune recorded in 1976 had to be considered as "new". Am I that old? >Alasdair Macdonald -joe From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Wed Jul 1 18:29:07 1998 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:29:07 +0000 Subject: @#(*8!$% In-Reply-To: <199807012050.QAA22876@in.flite.net> Message-ID: Hi - Well, i can re-send a copy of the tape, no problem. But i sent on to you the tape that i originally received, weeks and weeks ago - seems like you're not having much luck :-( I'll see what i can do about resending the house mix this weekend. Alasdair On 1 Jul 98 at 16:50, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > >I've sent you 2 tapes in the tape ring Andrew; a housey tape that i > >made and an unidentified HM tape that i received from person unknown > >in scandanavia. I'm guessing, from it's companions in your car, that > >it's the latter tape that was stolen? > > No, the former. The 2nd hasn't arrived yet. > -- Page me online: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 Send me E-mail Express direct to my screen: 1573250 at pager.mirabilis.com alimac at netcomuk.co.uk (Alasdair Macdonald) From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Wed Jul 1 18:39:21 1998 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:39:21 +0000 Subject: Tape Swap In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19980701231146.11473a32@m1.171.telia.com> Message-ID: On 1 Jul 98 at 23:13, Johan Edlundh wrote: > At 20:06 1998-06-30 +0000, you wrote: > >Well, it's been how long now?....... > > > >I received a tape from a scandanavian country - sorry, don't remember > >which, oooh weeks and weeks ago. I can't even remember how long it is > >since i passed the tape along to the next in line. > > > >But I have yet to receive tape #2. > > > >So if you're a Scandanavian guy who sent me a C100 with a bunch of > >track titles on the inlay card, but no sender address or > >anything....... what's up? > > > d'oh, > you make me feel like a malfunctional link in an otherwise unbroken > chain of tape swaps... > > what's up? > I'm decoding a US tape in a very slow and patient way. > But do not panic, my investigations will not take me any further. > > No sender address? Not anything? No, nothing. Well, a track title listing on the inside, and a coupla stamps on the outside :-) > I'm glad I at least managed to put the tape in the parcel :0) > > > how was the tape then? If i still listened to HM i'd have figured it a great tape. Also wish i'd had thought to put my tunes onto a C100. > I felt like an old fart when I saw what I'd produced. > Some tracks were on topic, some tracks was done by local heroes, > some tracks was strange sabbath covers. But what was really scary > was when I realized that a tune recorded in 1976 had to be > considered as "new". Am I that old? Yeah the sabbath cover was kinda interesting. btw, seems like this tape may have disappeared into a black hole between me & Andrew Apold. Looks like maybe we gotta resend both your, and my tape to him..... Oh well, Alasdair -- Page me online: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 Send me E-mail Express direct to my screen: 1573250 at pager.mirabilis.com alimac at netcomuk.co.uk (Alasdair Macdonald) From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Wed Jul 1 18:39:21 1998 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 22:39:21 +0000 Subject: Tape Swap In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19980701231146.11473a32@m1.171.telia.com> Message-ID: On 1 Jul 98 at 23:13, Johan Edlundh wrote: > At 20:06 1998-06-30 +0000, you wrote: > >Well, it's been how long now?....... > > > >I received a tape from a scandanavian country - sorry, don't remember > >which, oooh weeks and weeks ago. I can't even remember how long it is > >since i passed the tape along to the next in line. > > > >But I have yet to receive tape #2. > > > >So if you're a Scandanavian guy who sent me a C100 with a bunch of > >track titles on the inlay card, but no sender address or > >anything....... what's up? > > > d'oh, > you make me feel like a malfunctional link in an otherwise unbroken > chain of tape swaps... > > what's up? > I'm decoding a US tape in a very slow and patient way. > But do not panic, my investigations will not take me any further. > > No sender address? Not anything? No nothing. Well, no - a song title listing on the inside; some stamps on the outside :-) > I'm glad I at least managed to put the tape in the parcel :0) > > > how was the tape then? If I still listened to HM i'd have figured it a great tape. > I felt like an old fart when I saw what I'd produced. > Some tracks were on topic, some tracks was done by local heroes, > some tracks was strange sabbath covers. Yeah, that sabbath cover was kinda interesting. btw, seems like this tape may have gotten lost somewhere between me & Andrew Apold oh well Alasdair -- Page me online: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 Send me E-mail Express direct to my screen: 1573250 at pager.mirabilis.com alimac at netcomuk.co.uk (Alasdair Macdonald) From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Wed Jul 1 19:19:49 1998 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:19:49 GMT Subject: BOC: Sandy Pearlman Sighted?? In-Reply-To: <329A5258416CD111928F006008A62C76353097@bpxsv.156.106.206.in-addr.arpa> Message-ID: brian halligan wrote: >So the first offering will be the full version of Imaginos with >downloadable videos and a time-traveling, Myst/Riven-esque, Desdinova >adventure game included? Sandy, like George Lucas, must have just been >waiting for the "right technology" to be developed before executing his >ultimate plan for Imaginos :-) I don't think that he'll have that liberty. There's no mention about S.P. in the GoodNoise web pages. Lot of other big shots there.... Goran Janicijevic From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jul 2 04:29:54 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:29:54 +0100 Subject: @#(*8!$% In-Reply-To: <199807011815.OAA20702@in.flite.net> Message-ID: In article <199807011815.OAA20702 at in.flite.net>, Andrew A. Apold writes >Some dweebs broke into my car, smashed the window, just >to take my case of tapes. All were copies of CDs I have, >with the exception of: > >Hawkwind Covers All 4 tape set I lost 2 of my HW covers to a car thief too. Bastards ripped off the car too! -- Jon From etlrbsy at ETL.ERICSSON.SE Thu Jul 2 05:16:57 1998 From: etlrbsy at ETL.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:16:57 +0100 Subject: HW: DB @ Glastonbury Message-ID: Jill writes: >> Missed Ozrics, although I gather they were very late appearing. Best >> band for me was (bizarrely) Tony Bennet. Apparantly I was on BBC2 >> dancing during his set. > >ah - now I wonder if I still have that bit of tape on the video! > You can't miss me, I was wearing a purple t-shirt with an alien head on it, grinning inanely and standing in front of a girl wearing a fluorescent yellow dress. Incidently, the Glastonbury program (the paper kind) interviewed DB and Nik about Glastonbury in the 70's. There was a small photo of DB next to his and a small photo of Ron Tree next to Nik's...ooooops!! Dave said that he got food poisoning when they first played there. bye - Rob From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jul 2 08:48:13 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:48:13 +0000 Subject: Desert Sessions, Vol I/Vol II Message-ID: In London on the weekend, I acquired the Desert Sessions _Vol I/Vol II_ disc at the Oxford St. HMV for about 12 quid. These are the random ramblings of Josh Homme (ex-Kyuss) and a variety of aiders and abetters, including Brant Bjork (ex-Kyuss), Ben Shepherd (ex-Soundgarden), John McBain (ex-Monster Magnet), and a bunch of other people I don't recognize. It's a pretty cool disc! And it is very much a bunch of rather relaxed dudes with powerful musical equipment jamming away like bastards. Fans of muchos-widdling will be disappointed, as these guys are happy to sit there and let short, lazy guitar lines (or single notes) sway back-and-forth whilst drums drive, basses pulse, and keys float beneath them. A rock soundscape? Ambient metal? Well, not in the same way that some black metal bands have sometimes verged on ambient metal. No what we have here dangerously close to *spacerock*. In fact there are more than a few tunes that could drop onto old Hawkwind or Krautrock albums without being out of place at all. There some well-rated *blanga* is to be heard here. There are, to be sure, some bits that sound a lot like some wasted bastards making discordant noise; someone foolishly allowed Josh Homme a slide on "Robotic Lunch", which lurches along like an Issac Asimov nightmare. Amusing, though five-and-a-half minutes may have been too long ... But, generally, the rest of the disc blasts along. Look for the aforementioned blanga on such tracks as "Girl Boy Tom", "Cowards Way Out" and ... well most of it. Some over-the-top '60s organ sounds on "Monkey and the Middle", which seems to be a nod at the Monkees' psychedelic classic, "Porpoise Song" (covered by Trouble not so long ago). Besides improv musicians, I think the found those rarest of critters--improv vocalists, who are happy to ramble away incoherently (possibly in rhyme) about whatever deranged visions enter their messed-up little heads. I would swear there's a bit lifted from Slo Burn's "July" on "Cake (Who Shit On The?)". There's some kind of space choir on "Screamin' Eagle". All right. Ah, yes--and the disc starts and ends with the scratchy, wax-cylinder-recorded voice of some wacko (credited only as The Reverend Bruno Ponce Jones) from c. 1903 who declaims in stirring tones that he has "fornicated with loose women", drunk himself "into a state of inebriation", and "acted criminally" upon his "fellow man". And, we are told, he is glad that he did it; amen. "Do not," he admonishes us, "listen to anyone!" Excepting this disc, of course :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jul 2 08:18:18 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:18:18 +0100 Subject: OFF: Masters of Reality In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980701084754.00714e5c@pop.eunet.no> Message-ID: I'm not an expert, but... the main man is Chris Goss (who also produced Kyuss). He and his mate Tim Harrington from Syracuse started the group in the mid-80s, apparently calling themselves after a Sabbath album to piss people off. Their first album, either eponymous or called _The Blue Garden_ depending on your pressing, was relased in '88 on Def American, Rick Rubin producing. (Variant copies have a slightly different track listing.) This album failing to become the international megahit it deserved to be, the public preferring Guns'n'Roses, they lay low for a bit, and the next release was _Sunrise on the Sufferbus_, with Ginge. Haven't got this one. Word is it isn't as good. I thought they'd packed it in for good, but lo and behold Goss and a new lineup play a European tour recently. And there's the live album, which I missed when it came out (whenever that was). Put another coin in the slot, and (someone else) will tell you more... have a look at http://www.mastersofreality.com as well. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Jul 2 08:25:24 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:25:24 -0400 Subject: @#(*8!$% Message-ID: >In article <199807011815.OAA20702 at in.flite.net>, Andrew A. Apold > writes >>Some dweebs broke into my car, smashed the window, just >>to take my case of tapes. All were copies of CDs I have, >>with the exception of: >> >>Hawkwind Covers All 4 tape set > >I lost 2 of my HW covers to a car thief too. >Bastards ripped off the car too! Whoops, well that's a bit more serious. In my case, I could've almost forgiven them if it was something like Hawkwind stuff clearly visible and they broke in to get their hawkstuff, or that somehow this resulted in some person out there getting hooked on Hawkwind. But in this case it was inside a closed case, they had no idea what was inside it, and it will most likely end up in a garbage can once they realize it isn't commercial tapes. -AAA From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Jul 2 08:33:35 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:33:35 +0100 Subject: OFF: Masters of Reality In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 02 Jul 1998 13:18:18 BST." <000201bda5b3$7f55cb60$823f63c3@default> Message-ID: > This album failing to become the international megahit it deserved to be, > the public preferring Guns'n'Roses, they lay low for a bit, and the next > release was _Sunrise on the Sufferbus_, with Ginge. Haven't got this one. > Word is it isn't as good. Different. Lighter. But as you can tell, live, the tunes go down just as well. > Put another coin in the slot, and (someone else) will tell you more... have > a look at http://www.mastersofreality.com as well. Is that site still up ? Last time I checked it was nothing but a placeholder page... What else. Harrington buggered off after the first album to form the Bogeymen. One album resulted - "There's no such thing As..." S'Ok, in a similar kind of way, but doesn't have the groove that Goss seems to find. Back when I still read alt.rock-n-roll.metal, I used to see those upcoming album lists, in which I recall MoR mentioned, but waaay back. Then again, on How High the Moon, Goss promises some new stuff out there soon. Tim To what's left of all of you... the chimes in the wind And a beautiful corner to paint yourself in.... From Allan.T.Grohe.Jr at MAIL.SPRINT.COM Thu Jul 2 09:03:18 1998 From: Allan.T.Grohe.Jr at MAIL.SPRINT.COM (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:03:18 -0500 Subject: HW Covers All: US Tape Sets Message-ID: Well, since Andrew's in need, I'll be making a set of HW Covers All for him again. If anyone else in the US wants a set, they are $15 shipped for all 4 tapes. Contact me for any questions. Send a check for $15 to me at: Allan T. Grohe, Jr. 2327 Murphy Dr. #10 Lawrence, KS 66046-3959 USA 785 832 0860 If you want to check out the setlist for HW Covers All, see the cover art and setlists at: http://pixel.cs.vt.edu/paul/boc-l/covers.html I suppose I'll have to starting compiling the 5th tape, too, now. And dare I say it, actually get around to trading some tapes with Christian ;-> Allan. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Allan T. Grohe Jr. Technical Analyst, EIS Helpdesk 816 501 6393 http://lddhelpdesk For ticket status check http://kchqsp01/tickstat.htm From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Jul 2 08:24:29 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:24:29 +0100 Subject: Desert Sessions, Vol I/Vol II In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 02 Jul 1998 12:48:13 -0000." <1007143.3108372493@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > In London on the weekend, I acquired the Desert Sessions > _Vol I/Vol II_ disc at the Oxford St. HMV for about 12 quid. > These are the random ramblings of Josh Homme (ex-Kyuss) and > a variety of aiders and abetters, including Brant Bjork > (ex-Kyuss), Ben Shepherd (ex-Soundgarden), John McBain > (ex-Monster Magnet), and a bunch of other people I don't > recognize. Where abouts was the disc, i.e. under D, Kyuss or Various ???? That perennial rag of disinformation Kerrang!! had a short article about John Garcia in the last issue. Said he was still working at a vet clinic in Palm Desert while trying to build a band after the demise of Slo Burn. Then it said (hmmm..) Kyuss were apparently reforming around Josh Homme, but nobody had contacted Garcia yet. YMMV hugely. Tim From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Thu Jul 2 09:57:24 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:57:24 -0400 Subject: BOC: Super Hits Message-ID: For those of you that are curious as to Sony's latest and greatest hit compilation for BOC www.cdnow.com has now included the track list. But, being the nice guy that I am, I will save you some time and list them for you: Don't Fear the Reaper This Ain't the Summer of Love Godzilla The Red and the Black O.D.'d on Life Itself Goin' through the Motions Black Blade 7 Screaming Diz-busters Burnin' for You Flaming telepaths From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Thu Jul 2 10:02:09 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:02:09 -0400 Subject: BOC: July 11th concert Message-ID: The July 11th BOC concert will be at Sports Rock USA, Bristol CT. The phone number is 860 - 582 - 9668 The tickets are $17 Cash Advanced Purchase $20 Credit Advanced Purchase $20 At the Door Looks like they will hold tickets at the door for advanced purchasers. Capacity for the place is about 400. P.S> Bristol is a couple miles south and west of Hartford. From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Thu Jul 2 10:18:24 1998 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:18:24 EDT Subject: BOC On The Radio Message-ID: While driving yesterday, I heard Harvest Moon on the local station! Blew me away! Afterwards, they said it's the new release from BOC. Never did hear CUN Black on there... Ric From LOFFTJM at MAIL.SUNY.EDU Thu Jul 2 10:20:52 1998 From: LOFFTJM at MAIL.SUNY.EDU (Joseph Lofft, SUNY Information Technology Exchange Center) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:20:52 -0400 Subject: BOC:Super Hits Message-ID: >For those of you that are curious as to Sony's latest and greatest >hit compilation for BOC www.cdnow.com has now included the track list. >But, being the nice guy that I am, I will save you some time and list them >for you: > >Don't Fear the Reaper >This Ain't the Summer of Love >Godzilla >The Red and the Black >O.D.'d on Life Itself >Goin' through the Motions >Black Blade >7 Screaming Diz-busters >Burnin' for You >Flaming telepaths It's bad enough that Sony is releasing another greatest hits package, but in my opinion "Goin' through the Motions" is one of the worst songs BOC has done. I would like to know who was responsible for picking the song list and what they were smoking at the time. Joseph M. Lofft lofftjm at itec.suny.edu State University of New York Information Technology Exchange Center From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jul 2 11:34:38 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:34:38 +0000 Subject: Desert Sessions, Vol I/Vol II Message-ID: On tor 2 jul 1998 13.24 +0100 bart wrote: > Where abouts was the disc, i.e. under D, Kyuss or Various ???? "Various" in the "Metal" section. There were quite a bunch of them, rather surprisingly. Alas, no sign of _Stoned Revolution_ (on Rough Trade) which is a *damn* good compilation. Ch, C -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jul 2 10:32:36 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:32:36 -0400 Subject: BOC On The Radio Message-ID: >While driving yesterday, I heard Harvest Moon on the local station! Blew me away! Afterwards, they said it's the new release from BOC. What station? John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jul 2 10:34:34 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:34:34 -0400 Subject: BOC: Super Hits Message-ID: There are some interesting choices, but of course, if you have all the studio albums and aren't getting it as a collector (like me), then this release is probably useless. BTW, the track listing, and the cover artwork (which is so pathetically bad - in fact, there really is no cover artwork to speak of) can be seen at CDNow's website - http://www.cdnow.com John From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Thu Jul 2 10:40:16 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:40:16 -0400 Subject: Super Hits Message-ID: > It's bad enough that Sony is releasing another greatest hits package, but in my > opinion "Goin' through the Motions" is one of the worst songs BOC has done. > I would like to know who was responsible for picking the song list and what > they were smoking at the time. Its funny that Goin' through the Motions appears on this AND last years compilation Don't Fear the Repear. I prefer GttM over Your not the One or True Confessions However, I am glad that Black Blade made it onto a Best Of... From mlooney at IONET.NET Thu Jul 2 10:47:40 1998 From: mlooney at IONET.NET (Mike Looney - ionet) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:47:40 -0500 Subject: BOC On The Radio Message-ID: Rocker22 at AOL.COM wrote: > While driving yesterday, I heard Harvest Moon on the local station! > Blew me > away! > > Afterwards, they said it's the new release from BOC. > > Never did hear CUN Black on there... > KMOD (97.5 FM) or one of the other stations? KMOD has been playing Harvest Moon for about a month or so, and fairly often. I have heard it several times, often coupled with an older BOC song, often not one of the big 3. -- Sillyness is the last refuse of the doomed. P. Opus http://www.spellbooksoftware.com -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GAT d-- s:- a38 US++ P+ L+ E W+++ N++ K++ w++ O- M- V-- PS+ PE++ Y PGP t++ 5 X R+++ tv+ b++++ DI+++ D G+ e+ h--- r+++ y+++(**) ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Jul 2 10:50:23 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:50:23 -0400 Subject: Super Hits Message-ID: >However, I am glad that Black Blade made it onto a Best Of... It was previously on "Career of Evil: The Metal Years". However, they eliminated the "You Poor F**king Humans" line at the end. I suppose someone (Swartz) will have to buy this to confirm which version of Black Blade they use here. -AAA From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Thu Jul 2 10:49:22 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:49:22 -0400 Subject: BOC: Super Hits Message-ID: > BTW, the track listing, and the cover artwork (which is so pathetically > bad - in fact, there really is no cover artwork to speak of) can be So that was it, I had thought my monitor was washing it out. I will, of course, have to get a copy, but I will settle for the tape. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jul 2 11:02:49 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:02:49 -0400 Subject: BOC:Super Hits Message-ID: >It's bad enough that Sony is releasing another greatest hits package, but in my opinion "Goin' through the Motions" is one of the worst songs BOC has done. Well, it was one of BOC's singles, so that's probably justification. Actually, I find this inclusion somewhat poetic justice - because this CD is obviously Sony just Goin' Through the Motions >I would like to know who was responsible for picking the song list and what they were smoking at the time. Yeah, and take every Sony compilation with the exception perhaps of "Workshop of the Telescopes" (which suffers not from sins of comission, but sins of omission) and ask the same question. Then again, any BOC "Hits" compilation should probably have "The Big 3", and after that it's pretty much a crap shoot - the main basis, especially for record execs with probably little knowlege of BOC, would probably be songs released as singles. But, this release is probably aimed more at either a first-time listener (perhaps intrigued by Heaven Forbid - assuming they heard of it), or by an old fan that hasn't bought any of BOC's stuff on CD, but doesn't feel like buying a double-CD Greatest Hits package (WOTT). And, even if Sony sells very few of these, it won't matter, because it cost them next-to-nothing to produce (remember, this is material that Sony has in their vaults, and own the rights to). Come to think of it, I'll bet Sony really isn't capitalizing on the potential *listener* due to Heaven Forbid, I'll bet they're capitalizing on the *record stores* due to Heaven Forbid - you know, sell a bunch of these compilations to them since they've probably recently sold an above-average number of BOC CDs. And, what will probably eventually happen is that these WON'T sell, and will end up in the $5.99 bargain bins in a year or two (like "On Flame With Rock and Roll" has done) - Sony will make it's money, and the record stores will end up losing. John From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jul 2 11:04:33 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:04:33 +0100 Subject: HW Covers All: US Tape Sets In-Reply-To: Allan T Grohe Jr's message of Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:03:18 -0500 Message-ID: Allan T Grohe Jr writes: > Well, since Andrew's in need, I'll be making a set of HW Covers All for > him again. > > I suppose I'll have to starting compiling the 5th tape, too, now. What's the list of covers for the new tape? Cheers FoFP From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jul 2 11:06:21 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:06:21 -0400 Subject: Super Hits Message-ID: >I suppose someone (Swartz) will have to buy this to confirm which version of Black Blade they use here. O.K., and contributions to the BOC-L Black Blade research project can be sent to... ;-) BTW, I *think* that the version of Black Blade on Career of Evil: The Metal Years was from ETL, and that version did not have the "You poor fucking humans" line. John From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Thu Jul 2 11:04:49 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:04:49 -0400 Subject: Super Hits Message-ID: > >However, I am glad that Black Blade made it onto a Best Of... > > It was previously on "Career of Evil: The Metal Years". > > However, they eliminated the "You Poor F**king Humans" line > at the end. > > I suppose someone (Swartz) will have to buy this to confirm > which version of Black Blade they use here. > > Hmmm. I had forgotten about that one. I do not tend to listen to the compilations much. Buy em, play em, store em. From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Thu Jul 2 11:21:30 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:21:30 -0400 Subject: BOC: Not Super Hits Message-ID: I not a fan of poll's, but I was wondering what the reading populace found as the lets call them our least favorite songs since BOC couldn't possibly make a song that we'd hate. :) From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Jul 2 11:27:10 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:27:10 -0400 Subject: BOC: Super Hits Message-ID: >>I suppose someone (Swartz) will have to buy this to confirm >which version of Black Blade they use here. > >O.K., and contributions to the BOC-L Black Blade research project can >be sent to... >BTW, I *think* that the version of Black Blade on Career of Evil: The >Metal Years was from ETL, and that version did not have the "You poor >fucking humans" line. No, it's not a live version. I was once stranded without any tapes and picked that tape (COE:TMY) because it was all they had in this store (an Army PX).... IIRC, it sounds almost identical to the CE version except the line's missing. COE:TMY (which I no longer have, having lost it many years ago) had live versions of dFTR (from SEE), ETI (from ETL), and a bunch of stuff on the first side from OYFOOYK. -AAA From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Thu Jul 2 12:12:34 1998 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 09:12:34 -0700 Subject: OFF: Masters of Reality Message-ID: > Their first album, either eponymous or called _The Blue Garden_ > depending on your pressing, was relased in '88 on Def American, Rick Rubin > producing. Speaking of Rick Rubin, I read in New York magazine that Genesis P. Orridge (from Throbbing Gristle, Psychic TV and guest appearences w/ Nikwind (& Hawkwind years ago?)) was recently awarded $1.8 million in a lawsuit against Rick Rubin for injuries sustained at a fire at Rubin's home in LA, According to the article, Love and Rockets was recording in Rick's studio, Genesis was hanging out, a fire broke out, and Gen fell while trying to escape, causing a pulmonary embolism (!) and damaged arm. I think it's pretty lame to sue people for accidents that aren't directly anyone's fault, and my opinion of GPO just dropped a few notches... Chris From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Thu Jul 2 12:39:43 1998 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:39:43 EDT Subject: BOC On The Radio Message-ID: In a message dated 07/02/98 9:42:29 AM Central Daylight Time, jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG writes: << What station? >> 97.5 KMOD Local combo station (classic & new music) From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Jul 2 13:54:55 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart Alexander Hamilton) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 18:54:55 +0100 Subject: BOC: Not Super Hits Message-ID: Well, that's easy. Ever track of "Club Ninja", except "White Flags", which I've always had a soft spot for. But if I had to pick one, it would be have to be "Rock Not War", which I loathe or "Rock On Wars" as it says on the sleeve. SAH Hall, Russell J wrote: > I not a fan of poll's, but I was wondering what the reading populace found > as the > lets call them our least favorite songs since BOC couldn't possibly make a > song > that we'd hate. :) From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jul 2 14:00:41 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:00:41 EDT Subject: BOC: Not Super Hits In-Reply-To: <359BC96D.2256989B@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: > From: Stuart Alexander Hamilton > Well, that's easy. Ever track of "Club Ninja", except "White Flags", which > I've > always had a soft spot for. But if I had to pick one, it would be have to be > "Rock Not War", which I loathe or "Rock On Wars" as it says on the sleeve. > > SAH > Have to agree there, exc. I'd also exclude Dancin' in the Ruins and Perfect Water. Hmm...Thesre's gotta be something off RBN...Let Go... theo From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Jul 2 14:21:54 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:21:54 -0400 Subject: BOC: Not Super Hits Message-ID: >Have to agree there, exc. I'd also exclude Dancin' in the Ruins and >Perfect Water. Hmm...Thesre's gotta be something off RBN...Let Go... MRNW takes top billing for me. For some reason I'm unable to fathom, I don't mind "Let Go". My other "worst of" list would include (attention defenders): Beat 'em Up Debbie Denise Lonely Teardrops (and hey, I like Mirrors) True Confessions Godzilla (TV Mix) -AAA From LOFFTJM at MAIL.SUNY.EDU Thu Jul 2 14:35:19 1998 From: LOFFTJM at MAIL.SUNY.EDU (Joseph Lofft, SUNY Information Technology Exchange Center) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:35:19 -0400 Subject: BOC:Not Super Hits Message-ID: >Have to agree there, exc. I'd also exclude Dancin' in the Ruins and >Perfect Water. Hmm...Thesre's gotta be something off RBN...Let Go... >MRNW takes top billing for me. For some reason I'm unable to fathom, >I don't mind "Let Go". >My other "worst of" list would include (attention defenders): >Beat 'em Up >Debbie Denise >Lonely Teardrops (and hey, I like Mirrors) >True Confessions >Godzilla (TV Mix) You mean you don't like the chipmunk voices during the chorus of the TV mix of Godzilla? I think when they re-recorded that they all got drunk and started playing with the digital pitch shifters.... Joseph M. Lofft lofftjm at itec.suny.edu State University of New York Information Technology Exchange Center From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Jul 2 14:39:11 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (David Hardman) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:39:11 +0100 Subject: BOC: Not Super Hits In-Reply-To: <199807021821.OAA06674@in.flite.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > My other "worst of" list would include (attention defenders): > > Beat 'em Up This wouldn't be half so bad if it wasn't for the totally contradictory inclusion of Rock Not War! > Debbie Denise Strange how, with the passage of time, even this one has grown on me! > Lonely Teardrops (and hey, I like Mirrors) I always thought this was a fine song. How come people don't like the BOC love songs? --- Er, In Thee excepted of course. > True Confessions What is so great about this song is not its intrinsic qualities, but the upbeat feel just before you go into the spine-jangling chords of Reaper!! A great contrast. > Godzilla (TV Mix) Er, yeah no comment.... Fanboy Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman HCI Design Centre School of Informatics City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Thu Jul 2 14:47:53 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:47:53 -0400 Subject: BOC: Not Super Hits Message-ID: Hmm. I asked the question but neglected to include my least fav's Debbie Denise True Confessions Your Not the One Lonely Teardrops Light Years of Love In that order. Half of Club Ninja hovers just above these five. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jul 2 15:05:19 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:05:19 +0100 Subject: BOC: Not Super Hits In-Reply-To: <91B3F4CA7220D1118BA00000F83114BD197285@EMSS05M03.ems.lmco.com> Message-ID: > I not a fan of poll's, but I was wondering what the reading populace found > as the > lets call them our least favorite songs since BOC couldn't possibly make a > song > that we'd hate. :) > Well, it's a tricky one - one of the best things about BOC for a long time was the consistent quality of songwriting and lack of duff tracks. But I can still find these clunkers: Let Go - feeble or what Feel the Thunder - cliche'd, pointless Eyes on Fire - I have no sympathy for the wimpy character! What a drip! I Am the Storm - ruins the mood after "The Vigil". My LP is scratched from rushing to pull the needle away in time. Dr Music - sounds way too much like "YMCA". My jaw dropped to the floor first time I spun the LP. All from my least favourite two (original) albums. My unheralded favourite track, the one nobody else in the whole world (well nearly) likes, and never ever mentions, but I think is dead good, is "Shadow Warrior". More Lustbader lyrics and less Shirley!!!! And "Veins" was my favourite from _The Revolution by Night_. But by then BOC was losing the plot, or maybe I was... - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Jul 2 15:12:44 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:12:44 -0400 Subject: BOC: Not Super Hits Message-ID: >On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > >> My other "worst of" list would include (attention defenders): >> >> Beat 'em Up > >This wouldn't be half so bad if it wasn't for the totally contradictory >inclusion of Rock Not War! I guess what they are trying to say is: Make Rock, not War; but Beat 'em Up When the War Comes. Of course you start off by surrendering (White Flags) and dancing in the ruins before it comes to that. >> True Confessions > >What is so great about this song is not its intrinsic qualities, but the >upbeat feel just before you go into the spine-jangling chords of Reaper!! >A great contrast. I just didn't care for Allen's singing... -AAA From hawklrd at ROPNET.RU Thu Jul 2 15:24:38 1998 From: hawklrd at ROPNET.RU (Dmitri Lapitski) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:24:38 +0400 Subject: BOC: album for the first Message-ID: Hello everyone! Please, can someone advice the albums from which I should begin listening to BOC? What are the best for the first time? Dmitri -- Therion Official Russian Site and Therion Mailing List: http://www.internet.msk.ru/therion/ Cyber Design Pro: http://www.internet.msk.ru From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Jul 2 15:35:31 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:35:31 -0400 Subject: BOC: album for the first Message-ID: >Hello everyone! Please, can someone advice the albums from which I >should begin listening to BOC? What are the best for the first time? Depends on what background you're coming from, I guess. I'd have to go with Blue Oyster Cult, the first, or Imaginos. Maybe even Heaven Forbid, if you heard a song of it on the radio and want to get more like that. Or Workshop of the Telescopes, if you'd prefer a compilation this is the only one worth considering. -AAA From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jul 2 15:38:27 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:38:27 EDT Subject: BOC: Not Super Hits In-Reply-To: <000001bda5ec$5af1c1a0$322f63c3@default> Message-ID: > From: Andy Gilham > > Well, it's a tricky one - one of the best things about BOC for a long time > was the consistent quality of songwriting and lack of duff tracks. But I > can still find these clunkers: > > Let Go - feeble or what > Feel the Thunder - cliche'd, pointless Have to agree about the lyrics, but there's some great gtr fills during the verses. This tune is kind of a sister tune to Wings of Mercury--amazing that one was left off CN considering the dreck that made it...I guess Feel the Thunder works for me 'cause it's close enough to Golden Age--too bad they dropped that from the set--they were doing it last year for awhile... > Eyes on Fire - I have no sympathy for the wimpy character! What a drip! Really! And sung by badass EB no less! > I Am the Storm - ruins the mood after "The Vigil". My LP is scratched from > rushing to pull the needle away in time. Howls! But again BD's playing bails it out somewhat... > Dr Music - sounds way too much like "YMCA". My jaw dropped to the floor > first time I spun the LP. > Howls again! And to think that BOC actually used it for an opener for a while rather than the hallowed STtS. That made me hate it all the more, as Stairway is one of my faves... > > And "Veins" was my favourite from _The Revolution by Night_. But by then > BOC was losing the plot, or maybe I was... > > - Andy I like that one too, also Take Me Away and Shadow of Calif... theo From hawklrd at ROPNET.RU Thu Jul 2 15:54:46 1998 From: hawklrd at ROPNET.RU (Dmitri Lapitski) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:54:46 +0400 Subject: BOC: album for the first Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold wrote: > >Hello everyone! Please, can someone advice the albums from which I > >should begin listening to BOC? What are the best for the first time? > > Depends on what background you're coming from, I guess. Well, from Hawkwind, Black Sabbath and modern Progressive Metal, I guess. Dmitri -- Therion Official Russian Site and Therion Mailing List: http://www.internet.msk.ru/therion/ Cyber Design Pro: http://www.internet.msk.ru From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jul 2 16:08:37 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:08:37 EDT Subject: BOC: album for the first In-Reply-To: <359BDE76.E88E2C8F@ropnet.ru> Message-ID: > From: Dmitri Lapitski > Hello everyone! Please, can someone advice the albums from which I > should begin listening to BOC? What are the best for the first time? > > Dmitri > Most people on this liist [myself included] would cite Secret Treaties as their best album overall, albeit an old record and, to some ears, a bit antiquated sound-wise. By any standards, the first 3 are the best. Imaginos isn't really a BOC album, but it's great at capturing the feel of original BOC, though most of the music is played by other musicians. Agents of Fortune and Spectres are in the next level--excellent albums, just a bit less than the first 3. Albums to avoid--Club Ninja and Revolution by night. They lack Albert's drumming and creative input... theo From mlooney at IONET.NET Thu Jul 2 16:48:23 1998 From: mlooney at IONET.NET (Mike Looney - ionet) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 15:48:23 -0500 Subject: BOC: Not Super Hits Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold wrote: > >Have to agree there, exc. I'd also exclude Dancin' in the Ruins and > >Perfect Water. Hmm...Thesre's gotta be something off RBN...Let Go... > > MRNW takes top billing for me. For some reason I'm unable to fathom, > I don't mind "Let Go". > > My other "worst of" list would include (attention defenders): > > Beat 'em Up Depends on context. > Debbie Denise I like this song. I think I may be the only person in North America that does, but I think this is one of BOC's best. Maybe even in their top 10. > Lonely Teardrops (and hey, I like Mirrors) > Take it or leave it > True Confessions Like it, but not in their top 10 > Godzilla (TV Mix) > Ack... Gag... > -AAA -- Sillyness is the last refuse of the doomed. P. Opus http://www.spellbooksoftware.com -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GAT d-- s:- a38 US++ P+ L+ E W+++ N++ K++ w++ O- M- V-- PS+ PE++ Y PGP t++ 5 X R+++ tv+ b++++ DI+++ D G+ e+ h--- r+++ y+++(**) ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From scottgi at SEANET.COM Thu Jul 2 17:59:20 1998 From: scottgi at SEANET.COM (Scott A. Gish) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:59:20 -0700 Subject: BOC: August 1st show questions.... Message-ID: Does anyone have any information on ticket availability for the show in Darrington Washington on August 1. The information I have says the show will be at the White Horse Amphitheatre. The only amphitheatre I am aware of in Darrington is the Bluegrass Amphitheatre. I have tried to contact the Darrington chamber of commerce with no success. With less than a month to go I need to get my tickets. It has been nearly six months since my last show and I'm going through withdrawls. Ticket Bastards has no information as usual. Thanks Scott In that foresaken paradise that calls itself hell Where no one has nothing and nothing is swell (not BOC, Jethro Tull in fact, sorry) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Thu Jul 2 18:56:46 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 18:56:46 -0400 Subject: BOC: Not Super Hits Message-ID: Rev by nite: KICKS ASS! Feel the Thunder: KICKS ASS! Of course its cliche. It ain't R&R if it ain't cliche. I always thot FTT and Shad of CA were like a pt1 & pt2. Veins: KICKS ASS! =) Take me away: KA. I will always remember the one time i went to great adventure to see BOC. the played two gigs that night on the same stage, we didnt have to leave after the first, and got to see it twice. I always thot BD sang eyes. but on playing it back in my mind, i have to agree it is eric. i guess its the subject matter which made me think it was buck. he always had a softer touch than the others, i thot. (i love the nite, celestial the queen, etc..) for a first spin, i'd recommend ETL or my own fave: spectres. rj From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Thu Jul 2 18:57:30 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 18:57:30 -0400 Subject: BOC: album for the first Message-ID: BEST BET: get the sony 3 disk set if you can find it... rj Andrew A. Apold wrote: > >Hello everyone! Please, can someone advice the albums from which I > >should begin listening to BOC? What are the best for the first time? > > Depends on what background you're coming from, I guess. > > I'd have to go with Blue Oyster Cult, the first, or Imaginos. > Maybe even Heaven Forbid, if you heard a song of it on the > radio and want to get more like that. > > Or Workshop of the Telescopes, if you'd prefer a compilation this > is the only one worth considering. > > -AAA From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Thu Jul 2 18:59:22 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 18:59:22 -0400 Subject: BOC: Not Super Hits Message-ID: whats this godzilla tv mix? rj Andrew A. Apold wrote: > >Have to agree there, exc. I'd also exclude Dancin' in the Ruins and > >Perfect Water. Hmm...Thesre's gotta be something off RBN...Let Go... > > MRNW takes top billing for me. For some reason I'm unable to fathom, > I don't mind "Let Go". > > My other "worst of" list would include (attention defenders): > > Beat 'em Up > Debbie Denise > Lonely Teardrops (and hey, I like Mirrors) > True Confessions > Godzilla (TV Mix) > > -AAA From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Jul 2 23:02:52 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:02:52 -0400 Subject: BOC: Not Super Hits Message-ID: >whats this godzilla tv mix? It's from "Cult Classic", and is a Godzilla track without lead vocals. Unfortunately, this draws full attention to the background of helium-crazed chipmunks they hired to sing the backup vocals. Fortunately the TV mixes are on the end and you can stop whenver you do get around to spinning Cult Classic (which I must admit I did today)... ==================================== Roger Shrubstaff, GM of Reeves == Tension, Duchy of Silverwater == Apprehension, http://flite.net/~mordru/silver.html = and Dissension (Andrew A. Apold) == have begun. ==================================== -Alfred Bester From StevenTice at AOL.COM Thu Jul 2 23:41:13 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 23:41:13 EDT Subject: BOC: Not Super Hits Message-ID: In a message dated 98-07-02 18:59:48 EDT, you write: << I always thot BD sang eyes. but on playing it back in my mind, i have to agree it is eric. i guess its the subject matter which made me think it was buck. he always had a softer touch than the others, i thot. (i love the nite, celestial the queen, etc..) >> Well, except that Joe Bouchard sings lead on Celestial the Queen...:-) SET P.S. Unrelated side note: my favorite thing about Agents of Fortune is that there are five different lead singers on the album (Eric: 4, Albert: 3, Donald: 1, Joe: 1, Allen: 1). How many bands have ever done that? Keeping in mind that all five are members of the band! From mordru at FLITE.NET Fri Jul 3 00:02:18 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 00:02:18 -0400 Subject: BOC: Not Super Hits Message-ID: >P.S. Unrelated side note: my favorite thing about Agents of Fortune is that >there are five different lead singers on the album (Eric: 4, Albert: 3, >Donald: 1, Joe: 1, Allen: 1). How many bands have ever done that? Keeping in >mind that all five are members of the band! errrrr Menudo? ==================================== Roger Shrubstaff, GM of Reeves == Tension, Duchy of Silverwater == Apprehension, http://flite.net/~mordru/silver.html = and Dissension (Andrew A. Apold) == have begun. ==================================== -Alfred Bester From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Fri Jul 3 00:42:19 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:42:19 -0700 Subject: BOC: album for the first In-Reply-To: <359BE586.7E35DCCF@ropnet.ru> Message-ID: > Andrew A. Apold wrote: > > >Hello everyone! Please, can someone advice the albums from which I > > >should begin listening to BOC? What are the best for the first time? > > > > Depends on what background you're coming from, I guess. > > Well, from Hawkwind, Black Sabbath and modern Progressive Metal, I > guess. > > Dmitri Now, this is coming from a Hawkwind fan who also likes BOC, but I'd say 'Cultosaurus Erectus' might be a good first... Kevin Sommers ? Primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu ? http://www.psn.net/~novadrive/ From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Fri Jul 3 10:58:06 1998 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 00:58:06 +1000 Subject: BOC: Not Super Hits Message-ID: I actually dont mind any BOC...like em all....every album... But I wonder why the CC versions of "FT" and "OD'd", and "TATSoL", and "BB" and "HoE" arent in some folks top versions.....they all rock.. Troy At 14:21 2/07/98 -0400, Andrew A. Apold wrote: >>Have to agree there, exc. I'd also exclude Dancin' in the Ruins and >>Perfect Water. Hmm...Thesre's gotta be something off RBN...Let Go... > >MRNW takes top billing for me. For some reason I'm unable to fathom, >I don't mind "Let Go". > >My other "worst of" list would include (attention defenders): > >Beat 'em Up >Debbie Denise >Lonely Teardrops (and hey, I like Mirrors) >True Confessions >Godzilla (TV Mix) > > >-AAA > =========================================== Troy Harris fiskare at webconcept.com.au From Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG Fri Jul 3 06:47:10 1998 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG (Olivier Boigey) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 12:47:10 +0200 Subject: HW:Gamaches Message-ID: Confirmation !!!(not up to 100% for sure) HW will play at Gamaches festival on Saturday 11 of July. Here is the detailed program: Friday 10: Medecine Man + Pleum (Amiens/Rouen -FR) - around 20h30 + Concerts in the 'Bar La Tete de Boeuf' Saturday 11: Ganjah Gang (Amiens-FR) - 15h30 Der Kampf Ggen Den Schlaf (Germany) - 17h30 Steeple Remove (Rouen-FR) - 19h Wide Open Cage (Paris-FR) - 21h Hawkwind (UK) - 23h Tribe of Cro (UK) - 1h30 Jerry Bewley (?) - ? + during all day: 'Space teepee', Massage, Tatto, Price=100FF Gamaches is 140Km from Calais, near Amiens & Le Treport. See you there Olivier Olivier Boigey 6 rue Pasquier - 92300 Lllois Perret - FRANCE TEL/FAX: 33 1 41 05 08 50 e-mail: olivier_boigey at technolink.org http://www.altern.org/obwaje/hmpg.htm The stars are matter, We are matter, But it doesnt matter Don Van Vliet - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Jul 3 11:27:31 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 16:27:31 +0100 Subject: HW: Aliens In-Reply-To: Jonathan Jarrett's message of Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:09:24 +0100 Message-ID: Jonathan Jarrett writes: > I think I saw this on a computer screen at Virgin when I was > trying to find about DH; it's a new Castle compilation, I think, with a > very little of the newer stuff on. But the exact tracklist I didn;t find > out, since I was fairly sure I would have it all already. Yours, > Jon Has anyone seen a copy of this yet? FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Jul 3 11:51:14 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 16:51:14 +0100 Subject: [Rudich, Robert A: HW: Orgasmatron Tracks] Message-ID: > > To fill in during Bernhard's absence, here are the dates and sites for the > tracks (from the Discography). > > The Right Stuff (ECT TV Soundtrack 16.4.85) > Angels of Death (ECT TV Soundtrack 16.4.85) > New Jerusalem (Ipswich 4.12.79) > Starfarers Despatch (Spirit Of The Age) (Birmingham Kinetic > Playground 12.12.71) > Master of the Universe (Birmingham Kinetic Playground 12.12.71) > Mask of Morning (Brighton 24.4.92) > Images (Bournemouth Academy 2.7.90) > Brainstorm (Stonehenge 20.6.84) > Magnu (Crystal Palace 24.8.85) > Shot Down In The Night (Hammersmith Odeon 22.4.88) Silver Machine is an extra (unlisted) track at the end of Orgasmatron. Does anyone know the date of the track version? oFP From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Fri Jul 3 12:01:44 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 17:01:44 +0100 Subject: [Rudich, Robert A: HW: Orgasmatron Tracks] In-Reply-To: <199807031551.QAA04019@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Is Orgasmatron on general release? Only reason (for me) is that the Brighton gig mentioned is probably the best I've ever seen them play. Kevin Perry Technical Manager Wide Multimedia http://www.wide.co.uk/ > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On Behalf Of M Holmes > Sent: 03 July 1998 17:00 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: [Rudich, Robert A: HW: Orgasmatron Tracks] > > > > > To fill in during Bernhard's absence, here are the dates > and sites for the > > tracks (from the Discography). > > > > The Right Stuff (ECT TV Soundtrack 16.4.85) > > Angels of Death (ECT TV Soundtrack 16.4.85) > > New Jerusalem (Ipswich 4.12.79) > > Starfarers Despatch (Spirit Of The Age) (Birmingham Kinetic > > Playground 12.12.71) > > Master of the Universe (Birmingham Kinetic > Playground 12.12.71) > > Mask of Morning (Brighton 24.4.92) > > Images (Bournemouth Academy 2.7.90) > > Brainstorm (Stonehenge 20.6.84) > > Magnu (Crystal Palace 24.8.85) > > Shot Down In The Night (Hammersmith Odeon 22.4.88) > > Silver Machine is an extra (unlisted) track at the end of Orgasmatron. > Does anyone know the date of the track version? > > oFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Jul 3 12:15:34 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 17:15:34 +0100 Subject: [Rudich, Robert A: HW: Orgasmatron Tracks] In-Reply-To: Kevin Perry's message of Fri, 3 Jul 1998 17:01:44 +0100 Message-ID: Kevin Perry writes: > Is Orgasmatron on general release? Nah, it was a bootleg. Rumoured to be 500 copies. > Only reason (for me) is that the > Brighton gig mentioned is probably the best I've ever seen them play. You're lucky to have seen that gig. It's without doubt my favourite live tape. I'm gonna have to burn it to CD for myself at some point. > Kevin Perry FoFP From mordru at FLITE.NET Fri Jul 3 12:29:08 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 12:29:08 -0400 Subject: BOC: Not Super Hits Message-ID: > I actually dont mind any BOC...like em all....every album... > > But I wonder why the CC versions of "FT" and "OD'd", and "TATSoL", and >"BB" and "HoE" arent in some folks top versions.....they all rock.. I like them all, but specifically, FT, while good, cannot compare to the original IMO. I'm not sure anything ever will. OD'd, it may be heresy, but I think is an improvement.. CC is a good representation of the way the was at the time it was recorded.... ==================================== Roger Shrubstaff, GM of Reeves == Tension, Duchy of Silverwater == Apprehension, http://flite.net/~mordru/silver.html = and Dissension (Andrew A. Apold) == have begun. ==================================== -Alfred Bester From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Fri Jul 3 12:52:00 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 18:52:00 +0200 Subject: [Rudich, Robert A: HW: Orgasmatron Tracks] In-Reply-To: <199807031615.RAA10246@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 17:15 03.07.98 +0100, you wrote: >You're lucky to have seen that gig. It's without doubt my >favourite >live tape. I'm gonna have to burn it to CD for myself >at some point I like this gig as well. But they played in Brighton a bit rough. No wonder because it was the 2nd gig of this tour. Saw them in Hammersmith (16.05.1992) on the same tour. (Hey Mike, do you remeber when we met infront of Tower Records this day). It was the one of the best HW gigs I've ever seen. But the best live tape from this tour is without doubts the Reading one (19.05.1992). The last gig of this tour. The SECTRET AGENT version is awesome!! Bernhard From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jul 3 14:30:31 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 18:30:31 +0000 Subject: [Rudich, Robert A: HW: Orgasmatron Tracks] Message-ID: On fre 3 jul 1998 17.15 +0100 "M Holmes" wrote: > Kevin Perry writes: >> Is Orgasmatron on general release? > > Nah, it was a bootleg. Rumoured to be 500 copies. ObGloat: Got one :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jul 3 14:31:58 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 18:31:58 +0000 Subject: [Rudich, Robert A: HW: Orgasmatron Tracks] Message-ID: On fre 3 jul 1998 18.52 +0200 "Bernhard Pospiech" wrote: > But the best live tape from this tour is without doubts the Reading one > (19.05.1992). The last gig of this tour. > The SECTRET AGENT version is awesome!! I'm with Bernard here. The tape from this gig is one of the finest live HW performances I've heard from any era. IMO, it is up there with the _SR_ era stuff! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From squinn at PALMNET.NET Fri Jul 3 14:56:55 1998 From: squinn at PALMNET.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 14:56:55 -0400 Subject: BOC On The Radio Message-ID: Called 96 Rock (Classic) (Orlando, FL) the other day and requested HM. The said they got the CD but the program director instructed the station not to play it. The DJ said "... and I don't want to get into a dragged out discussion". Seems I'm not the only requesting it. This is total Bull Shit - they play the big three fairly regularly. I'm not completely surprised by the program director's decision - their play list is so repetitive and boring - in general - it sucks. Shawn From adawson at CLARA.NET Sat Jul 4 05:44:02 1998 From: adawson at CLARA.NET (Andrew Dawson) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 10:44:02 +0100 Subject: HW: The Elf and the Hawk In-Reply-To: <357F4D6A.D08352C9@palmnet.net> Message-ID: At 23:22 10/06/98 -0400, you wrote: >In the recent issue of Crohinga Well is an advert from Italian >label Black Widow. These are the folks that released the latest >CDs from Archectural Metaphor and ST37. > >Anyway, they say that they are going to release something named >'The Elf & The Hawk', which is a reissue of Hawkfan 12 and Alan >Davey's 'The Elf' 2x7", plus a bonus track. Available on LP and >CD. No statement as to when this miracle will occur. > >As soon as anybody spots this one, YELL LOUDLY! (of course) :-) >-- >Captain Cloud >capcloud at palmnet.net >http://www5.palmnet.net/~capcloud/ > > Received this flyer from Compact Disc Services (CDS) this morning [Quote] Hot Hawkwind & related new release!! Hawkwind/Alan Davey: The Elf & the Hawk. CD 13.99 UKP Rush-released limited edition CD officially sanctioned by Dave Brock and Alan Davey, the contents of which are as follows and all are on CD for the first time. 1) All tracks from the limited edition instrumental vinyl only single "The Elf" by Alan Davey 2) The 3 tracks from "Hawkkfan 12" the first vinyl-only fanzine from 1986, which featured tracks specially donated by Dave Brock, namely "Countdown", "Ejection" & "Ghost Dance, all live versions that have not appeared elesewhere. 3) A brand new track frrom Dave Brock donated specifically for this CD. 4) 3 tracks as the first available recordings from the new, ex-Spacehead, group PXR-1, including a cover of "Spirit of the Age" It is scheduled for mid-June [End quote] Needless to say my order is already placed. Andy PS For anyone who doesn't know CDS their address is Compact Disc Services 40/42 Brantwood Avenue Dundee DD3 6EW Tel (+44) 01382 776595 Fax (+44) 01282 736702 They offer an excellent mail order service. PPS I am not associated with CDS but would hate anyone missing out on ths release For now Andrew Dawson adawson at clara.net Into Hawkwind ? Then check out the Worldwide discography. http://home.clara.net/adawson From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Sat Jul 4 08:40:18 1998 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 12:40:18 GMT Subject: BOC: Members' Creativity In-Reply-To: <17f75f3f.359c52da@aol.com> Message-ID: Steven Tice wrote: >P.S. Unrelated side note: my favorite thing about Agents of Fortune is that >there are five different lead singers on the album (Eric: 4, Albert: 3, >Donald: 1, Joe: 1, Allen: 1). How many bands have ever done that? Keeping in >mind that all five are members of the band! Moody Blues had that. A-side of their "Question" album has 5 tunes of each member, respectively (without external sonngwriters), and also each author singing his own tune. Goran Janicijevic From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Sat Jul 4 08:40:26 1998 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 12:40:26 GMT Subject: BOC: Not Super Hits In-Reply-To: <91B3F4CA7220D1118BA00000F83114BD197285@EMSS05M03.ems.lmco.com> Message-ID: Hall, Russell J wrote: >I not a fan of poll's, but I was wondering what the reading populace found >as the >lets call them our least favorite songs since BOC couldn't possibly make a >song >that we'd hate. :) My list of candidates for the fictitious "Worst of BOC" compilation: 1. Sinful Love 2. Searchin' For Celine 3. Mooncrazy 4. Lonely Teardrops 5. Fallen Angel 6. Eyes On Fire 7. Dragon Lady 8. Rock Not War 9. Imaginos (the song) 10. Burnin' For You (live from ETL) Goran Janicijevic From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Sat Jul 4 11:10:01 1998 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 15:10:01 GMT Subject: BOC: Members' Creativity In-Reply-To: <35a2225a.5220865@smtp.softhome.net> Message-ID: Goran Janicijevic wrote: > A-side of their "Question" album has 5 tunes of each member, ^^^^^^^^^^ And now is correcting himself: A momentary lapse, the album I wanted to mention is "A Question Of Balance". Goran Janicijevic From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Jul 4 18:27:37 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 22:27:37 +0000 Subject: OFF: Swedish help Message-ID: Once again, perhaps the list-Swedes can help me here :) Is there an equivalent expression in Swedish to the English slang expression "X rules!", where "X" is some person or thing which the speaker considers to be really great (as in "Lemmy rules!", "Buck Dharma rules!", "This band rules!", etc.)? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sun Jul 5 07:52:59 1998 From: henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 13:52:59 +0200 Subject: Space/rock-festival. Message-ID: Hi there! Just want to inform you about the forthcoming Space/rock-festival in Jonkoping 14-15/8. Man from UK will be the headlining band both nights of course. Other groups that will play is darXtar, Pseudo Sun & Spacious mind. More groups will be added. Contact Evert Wysell for more information at: evert.wysell at jonkoping.mail.telia.com or check his webpage: http://w1.361.telia.com/~u36103517/ This is a great opportunity for those of us that can?t make it to the american spacerock-festival. Other news is a forthcoming CD(-R) called "Atomhenge 76" by Hawkwind. Tracks on the record: Reefer madness, Paradox, Chronoglide skyway, Brainstorm, Wind of change, Steppenwolf, Uncle Sam?s on mars, Time for sale, Back on the streets, Kerb crawler. Total playing time - 68 minutes. Price is 125 SEK ( ? 10 / $ 15) including p&p. The record should be out next week according to the "record-company" Lone Wolf Records. Well, that?s all for now. Henrik (somewhere in space) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sun Jul 5 08:06:01 1998 From: johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 14:06:01 +0200 Subject: OFF: Swedish help Message-ID: > Once again, perhaps the list-Swedes can help me here :) > > Is there an equivalent expression in Swedish to the English >slang expression "X rules!", where "X" is some person or thing >which the speaker considers to be really great (as in "Lemmy >rules!", "Buck Dharma rules!", "This band rules!", etc.)? no, there isn't. you can always say "Lemmy is best", but that will sound as lame as in anglosaxian. youngsters does actually uses the english experssion "Lemmy rules" and "Lemmy sucks" here, and then fight each other until both uses the same expression. actually, both expressions is * very poorly* direct translated into the following: "Lemmy regerar" and "Lemmy suger". This is not Swedish, it's more like "Internet Svengelska", and I don't understand the use of it at all. The anglosaxian slang makes much more sense, even used in swedish sentences. however, I'm an old fart and may not be updated in my own slang language. and to make things clear: Lemmy rules. >Cheers, >Carl the -joe From johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM Sun Jul 5 08:05:59 1998 From: johan.edlundh at HABO.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 14:05:59 +0200 Subject: HW: Live at the Kinetic Playground Message-ID: hi list, I came across the _Live at the Kinetic Playground_ boot, which happen to be a CD Recordable. Front cover is a b/w photo printed on a blue piece of paper. Picture is the same as on pg6 in the booklet of the EMI Stasis, which actually is Hawkwind 1971. The creator is in phase with the Hawks! Over the picture is the name of the group, below is the name of the boot. Inner side of the two page insert is just blank. Back side is just plain ASCII on the same blue paper: ============================================================ Hawkwind Live at the Kinetic Playground 3/12-1971 Tracks: Technicians of spaceship earth 3.58 You shouldn't do that 10.18 You know you're only dreaming 4.35 Master of the universe 6.44 Paranoia 5.09 Silver machine 5.19 Born to go 11.33 (Cosmic) jam 25.14 Lone Wolf Records CD 001, may 1998 ============================================================ My CD player reports its full length to be 71:54. The CD itself is made of coloured dye - it looks blue to me. I haven't catch up with the latest news in the CD-R technology, but do remember the discussion of the "one year lasting green dye of the _Nova Drive_", which still is playing fine after 36 months. A white paper label is attached on top of the CD-R. It brings no more information to us, that we can read on the cover. Country of origin is Swedish, but no list member is as far as I know involved with this production. Oh, the sound quality? Well, the '71 Kinetic Playground tape is well known among tapers for its very good sound quality - mark: this is 1971!, and this CD is among the best - both semi official and unofficial - releases of Hawkwind live stuff from this era. Not bad at all. Paranoia is a killer version, and the Cosmic Jam is interesting too. The complete 80 mins tape contains the following tracks (info's from Bernhards Tape List), Technicians of Spaceship Earth / You Shouldn't do That / Awakening / You Know You're Only Dreaming / Spirit of the Age / Master of the Universe / Paranoia / Earth Calling / Silver Machine / Welcome to the Future / Born To Go / Jam and as I understand the tape is the source to this boot. As 80 mins is more than the 74 mins that is maximum for one CD-R, I understand why the bootlegger had made a cut here and there in the tape, to make room for the most interesting bits. However, I cannot understand why he had made a cut between Track 1&2, and track 4&5. In both track 1&4 you hear in the final seconds how the next track begins with its distinct riffs. Then cut. Then silence 2 secs. Then reenter the distinct riff. Not the way I want folks to handle a live recording. One funny thing: both boots _Orgasmatron_ (one of the boots I don't have, info's taken from Mike Holmes recent Orgasmatron mail) and the CD-R _Corridors of Flame_ date's this famous Birmingham Kinetic Playground gig to 12.12.71, when this item talks of 3.12.71 The latest version I have of Bernhard Pospeich gig list does also date this gig to 3.12.71 - who's old enough to tell me what's the correct date? And yes, I'm still in doubt if CD-R's should be included in discographies, or if they should be equalized to homemade compact cassettes. More and more I'm convinced the answer is commercial success (oh well we're talking Hawkwind here, I meant at least sold). How many homemade compact cassettes has been sold in 25-100 pcs? I guess you can count those on your left hand's thumb. If I make a CD-R in three pieces, keep one for myself, send one to Brian Tawn for being mentioned in the next Hawkfan - and sell the last for UKP50 - should this be counted? No. Of course not. Should the last year Hawxtar release be counted? Sold in 100 numbered pcs, 4pg coloured insert with sleeve notes - yes, if this had been a pure hw release, it should be included in the Hawkwind Discograpy. One other thing: Does the CD-R have a proper cover? Does it try to look like official stuff? Can it be mixed with official releases on a record fair? If yes - should be counted. Comments? yours truly kollekting, the -joe cd-r ps. Rumours talks also of an _Atomhenge '76_ CD-R boot that will come very soon from the same source. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Jul 5 10:09:28 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 14:09:28 +0000 Subject: OFF: Swedish help Message-ID: Thanks for the info! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sun Jul 5 11:48:31 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 17:48:31 +0200 Subject: HW: Live at the Kinetic Playground Message-ID: Hi Joe At 14:05 05.07.98 +0200, you wrote: >One funny thing: >both boots _Orgasmatron_ (one of the boots I don't have, info's taken from >Mike Holmes recent Orgasmatron mail) and the CD-R _Corridors of Flame_ >date's this famous Birmingham Kinetic Playground gig to 12.12.71, when this >item talks of 3.12.71 >The latest version I have of Bernhard Pospeich gig list does also date this >gig to 3.12.71 - who's old enough to tell me what's the correct date? I do not know the person who made this CD-R. But I know that he is NOT in contact with Adrian Parr who is compiling a HAWKWIND gig-list. Adrian and me are exchanging lots of informations about HAWKWIND gigs. The current date we are using for the Birmingham gig is: 06.December.1971 Here are the other dates around this "tour" TOWN: HALL: DATE: DAY: Colwyn Bay 23.11.71 Tue Liverpool Mardi Grass 24.11.71 Wed Swansea University 26.11.71 Fri Ewell Polytechnic 27.11.71 Sat London Town Hall 02.12.71 Thu Crawley College 03.12.71 Fri Boston Starlight Room 04.12.71 Sat Manchester Trade Hall 05.12.71 Sun Birmingham Kinetic Playgr 06.12.71 Mon Glasgow 07.12.71 Tue Aberdeen Cowdray Hall 08.12.71 Wed Leytonst Chez Club 10.12.71 Fri Devices Starkers Club 11.12.71 Sat Wellington Town House 16.12.71 Thu Bracknell Sports Centre 18.12.71 Sat Croydon Greyhound 19.12.71 Sun Bernhard From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Sun Jul 5 14:46:40 1998 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 18:46:40 GMT Subject: OFF: Swedish help In-Reply-To: <37182.3108580057@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Is there an equivalent expression in Swedish to the English >slang expression "X rules!", where "X" is some person or thing >which the speaker considers to be really great (as in "Lemmy >rules!", "Buck Dharma rules!", "This band rules!", etc.)? In my language the equivalent for "XX rules" is "XX is a king", or "XXs are kings". But since your country is a monarchy, this would sound politically incorrect. ;-) Goran Janicijevic From christmu at EUNET.NO Sun Jul 5 19:13:36 1998 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu at EUNET.NO) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 01:13:36 +0200 Subject: OFF: Michael Moorcock spotted! Message-ID: http://members.aol.com/rockmez/index.html MM Top? The Burn-Forrest Group?? The multiverse is collapsing fer ser. Chr. From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Sun Jul 5 19:34:25 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 16:34:25 -0700 Subject: Live at the Kinetic Playground In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19980705140330.103f8576@m1.171.telia.com> Message-ID: > My CD player reports its full length to be 71:54. The CD itself is made of > coloured dye - it looks blue to me. I haven't catch up with the > latest news > in the CD-R technology, but do remember the discussion of the "one year > lasting green dye of the _Nova Drive_", which still is playing > fine after 36 > months. Good God - has it been that long? > One other thing: Does the CD-R have a proper cover? Does it try > to look like > official stuff? Can it be mixed with official releases on a record fair? > If yes - should be counted. > > Comments? I've always felt that CDs (and CD-Rs) should appeal to the eyes as well as the ears.... Kevin Sommers ? Primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu ? http://www.psn.net/~novadrive/ From christmu at EUNET.NO Mon Jul 6 05:40:52 1998 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu at EUNET.NO) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:40:52 +0200 Subject: HW: Live at The Kinetic Playground In-Reply-To: <199807060900.LAA20714@login-2.eunet.no> Message-ID: > One other thing: Does the CD-R have a proper cover? Does it try > to look like > official stuff? Can it be mixed with official releases on a record fair? > If yes - should be counted. If its well thought out, at least 10 or so copies in circulation maybe, and it looks like a "real" CD and not a generic CDR with a cheap insert, my answer would be yes... But I agree, in essence we are not talking about much more than a jacked up live tape, which is why artwork is important in this case to set it apart. After all, the Weird tapes are part of the HW discog. (ok, sanctioned by Dave Brock but still unofficial as regards who makes money off those) but I assume they have inserts etc. Hawkfan 12 is another example. > Comments? I've always felt that CDs (and CD-Rs) should appeal to the eyes as well as the ears.... Right on! Nothing is more appealing than a nice sexy spine, and you pull that baby out of the shelf, spread her open... and... yes... slide into the machine... crank it up... yes... and it both looks and sounds good... there are a few recent ltd. HW 2CDR sets in circulation I beleive, I may have had something to with those... gibber etc. Christian ObCD: Lux Nova ObTechnologicalAdvance: Being able to divide trax without silent spaces From christmu at EUNET.NO Mon Jul 6 05:47:15 1998 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu at EUNET.NO) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:47:15 +0200 Subject: OFF: Swedish Help In-Reply-To: <199807060900.LAA20714@login-2.eunet.no> Message-ID: > Once again, perhaps the list-Swedes can help me here :) > > Is there an equivalent expression in Swedish to the English >slang expression "X rules!", where "X" is some person or thing >which the speaker considers to be really great (as in "Lemmy >rules!", "Buck Dharma rules!", "This band rules!", etc.)? no, there isn't. you can always say "Lemmy is best", but that will sound as lame as in anglosaxian. youngsters does actually uses the english experssion "Lemmy rules" and "Lemmy sucks" here, and then fight each other until both uses the same expression. actually, both expressions is * very poorly* direct translated into the following: "Lemmy regerar" and "Lemmy suger". This is not Swedish, it's more like "Internet Svengelska", and I don't understand the use of it at all. The anglosaxian slang makes much more sense, even used in swedish sentences. <<<< But in Norwegian that's common and fully Norwegian slang! It would be: "Lemmy er konge!" or "Lemmy er sjef!" That means, respectively King and chief/boss. I know I've said the former myself without hesitation :) I'm sure this phrasing has existed since the 70s (with no cryptic English influence via Arpanet I am sure :^) Christian From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jul 6 05:54:10 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:54:10 +0100 Subject: [Rudich, Robert A: HW: Orgasmatron Tracks] In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Fri, 3 Jul 1998 18:52:00 +0200 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > At 17:15 03.07.98 +0100, you wrote: > >You're lucky to have seen that gig. It's without doubt my >favourite >live > tape. I'm gonna have to burn it to CD for myself >at some point > > I like this gig as well. But they played in Brighton a bit rough. No wonder > because it was the 2nd gig of this tour. > > Saw them in Hammersmith (16.05.1992) on the same tour. (Hey Mike, do you > remeber when we met infront of Tower Records this day). Yeah. You were there with Ade, Rainer Wangler and was it Graham ??? who I used to be in touch with? > But the best live tape from this tour is without doubts the Reading one > (19.05.1992). The last gig of this tour. Reading is good but for some reason I still prefer Brighton. > Bernhard FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jul 6 05:58:30 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:58:30 +0100 Subject: Space/rock-festival. In-Reply-To: Henrik Hallgren's message of Sun, 5 Jul 1998 13:52:59 +0200 Message-ID: Henrik Hallgren writes: > Just want to inform you about the forthcoming Space/rock-festival in = > Jonkoping 14-15/8. As it happens I have a week of leave from the 10th. How easy would it be to travel there? > Other news is a forthcoming CD(-R) called "Atomhenge 76" by Hawkwind. = > Tracks on the record: Reefer madness, Paradox, Chronoglide skyway, = > Brainstorm, Wind of change, Steppenwolf, Uncle Sam=B4s on mars, Time for = > sale, Back on the streets, Kerb crawler. Total playing time - 68 = > minutes. Price is 125 SEK ( =A3 10 / $ 15) including p&p. > The record should be out next week according to the "record-company" = > Lone Wolf Records. Could you put me down for a couple of 'em and let me know the total costs? Cheers FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jul 6 07:08:22 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:08:22 +0000 Subject: HW: Weird Tapes? Message-ID: On m?n 6 jul 1998 11.40 +0200 christmu at EUNET.NO wrote: > After all, the Weird tapes are part of the HW > discog. (ok, sanctioned by Dave Brock but still unofficial as regards who > makes money off those) but I assume they have inserts etc. Speaking of which, anyone heard anything more on when they'll release the damn things on CD (which they've been talking about since at least 95 or so ...)? Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jul 6 07:10:43 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:10:43 +0000 Subject: [Rudich, Robert A: HW: Orgasmatron Tracks] Message-ID: On m?n 6 jul 1998 10.54 +0100 "M Holmes" wrote: >> But the best live tape from this tour is without doubts the Reading one >> (19.05.1992). The last gig of this tour. > > Reading is good but for some reason I still prefer Brighton. Release 'em both on a multi-CD pack! Hell, even without being cleaned up they've *got* to sound better than Yuri and Text, which are official albums, however dodgily so. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jul 6 07:15:25 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:15:25 +0000 Subject: Space/rock-festival. Message-ID: On m?n 6 jul 1998 10.58 +0100 "M Holmes" wrote: > Henrik Hallgren writes: >> Just want to inform you about the forthcoming Space/rock-festival in = >> Jonkoping 14-15/8. > > As it happens I have a week of leave from the 10th. How easy would it be > to travel there? I'm going to be heading up there, from K?benhavn, though I expect the simplest way there for you may be to fly into G?teborg and then catch a train to J?nk?ping; 2-3 hours or so by train maybe? I'm guessing--I've never done it. Really like to find an excuse to drift down to G?teborg on this trip; haven't been there for about 15 years! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Mon Jul 6 06:35:27 1998 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:35:27 +0200 Subject: [Rudich, Robert A: HW: Orgasmatron Tracks] Message-ID: Hi Mike! >> Saw them in Hammersmith (16.05.1992) on the same tour. (Hey Mike, do you >> remeber when we met infront of Tower Records this day). >Yeah. You were there with Ade, Rainer Wangler and was it Graham ??? who >I used to be in touch with? Yup. It was Rainer Wangler, Adrian Parr, Howard Wix, you and me. I have got somewhere a photo from this group standing infront of Tower Records We stood at Adrian Parrs flat for the night after the gig to drive home by train, ferry and car early the next day Graham was not with us on this day Bernhard From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Mon Jul 6 07:14:18 1998 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:14:18 +0200 Subject: OFF: Swedish help In-Reply-To: <359fb53b.13320058@smtp.softhome.net> Message-ID: At 18:46 1998-07-05 GMT, you wrote: >Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > >> Is there an equivalent expression in Swedish to the English >>slang expression "X rules!", where "X" is some person or thing >>which the speaker considers to be really great (as in "Lemmy >>rules!", "Buck Dharma rules!", "This band rules!", etc.)? > >In my language the equivalent for "XX rules" is "XX is a king", or >"XXs are kings". But since your country is a monarchy, this would >sound politically incorrect. ;-) > >Goran Janicijevic > > Yes, to call someone worthy a "king" (kung) is in fact probably the nearest to "rules" in swedish. And a artist or athletic honored with that "title" - to be "kung" - could in fact (2) a that moment have at least as much power as the swedish kung... __ __ / ` _' / ,, |[====|||||||||||[::} Dan Lindfors, lindfors at algonet.se \__.-._\ `` Den b?sta h?mnden ?r att leva v?l! From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Mon Jul 6 09:51:00 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 06:51:00 -0700 Subject: HW: Live at The Kinetic Playground In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980706114052.02f4d57c@pop.eunet.no> Message-ID: > ObTechnologicalAdvance: Being able to divide trax without silent spaces Oh, but you can, you can! The recording program I use, which allows a zero-second gap between tracks, comes from http://www.goldenhawk.com/. Kevin Sommers ? Primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu ? http://www.psn.net/~novadrive/ From sdavmor at MCIONE.COM Mon Jul 6 10:15:50 1998 From: sdavmor at MCIONE.COM (S. Davies-Morris) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 07:15:50 -0700 Subject: HW: Live at The Kinetic Playground Message-ID: Thanks Kevin for posting this URL. I've been meaning to look at this program for some time to see how it compares to the three that I have. I've heard very good things about it. Now I'll check it out for myself using the free 30 day trial 1x write version. Regards Steven Davies-Morris Applications Liberate Hardware / JES & Assoc. (714) 557-8799 or (714) 553-8200 sdavmor at mcione.com =================================================== -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Sommers To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Monday, July 06, 1998 6:56 AM Subject: Re: HW: Live at The Kinetic Playground > ObTechnologicalAdvance: Being able to divide trax without silent spaces Oh, but you can, you can! The recording program I use, which allows a zero-second gap between tracks, comes from http://www.goldenhawk.com/. Kevin Sommers Primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu http://www.psn.net/~novadrive/ From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Jul 6 11:03:30 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:03:30 -0400 Subject: HW: Live at The Kinetic Playground In-Reply-To: <000001bda8e5$1c2c89e0$8b55dacf@Sommers.primenet.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, Kevin Sommers wrote: > > ObTechnologicalAdvance: Being able to divide trax without silent spaces > Oh, but you can, you can! The recording program I use, which allows a > zero-second gap between tracks, comes from http://www.goldenhawk.com/. And it's trivial to do with Adaptec's Easy-CD Pro program that's bundled with many a CD-R drive. You just write in "disc-at-once" mode, and the gap between audio tracks is set to zero seconds. The only "downside" is that this closes the CD-R to further writing (so you can't add further tracks on the end later), but if you've assembled everything on hard disc, and written your masterpiece bootleg final version, it's no problem. Actually, making CD-R bootlegs is so easy, I'd say that's grounds for not including them in discographies (to comment on the recent thread). At least with silver CD bootlegs, someone has gone to the prior effort of pressing a *release*, i.e. taking some risk of making a fixed-size run. With CD-R bootlegs, it seems anyone with a CD-R burner and a colour printer can just crank them out of his or her basement at leisure, with no real investment other than the time it took to sample the tape, write the CD-Rs and design and print the inserts. A sizeable project, yes, but no great threat financially. And once the first is made, the rest are quick 'n' dirty to run off. The best thing about CD-R bootlegs, IMHO, is that it is easy to "beat the boots" and copy them yourself, since you have access to the same media the bootlegger had. This is not always the case with silver CD bootlegs, which can exceed the 74 minute running time limit due to professional pressing. (Actually, if the Kinetic Playground bootleg had not been a CD-R one, it might have avoided the jarring cuts described in another posting, because you can squeeze almost 80 minutes on a silver CD. I have two Bevis Frond CDs that clock in over 79 minutes, and I've heard "the longest CD" is just a tad over 80 minutes. I have some silver CD bootlegs that cruise the 78 minute mark. It's surprising what proper mastering can do for you.:) Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From mordru at FLITE.NET Mon Jul 6 11:14:06 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:14:06 -0400 Subject: HW: Live at The Kinetic Playground Message-ID: >(Actually, if the Kinetic Playground bootleg had not been a CD-R one, it >might have avoided the jarring cuts described in another posting, >because you can squeeze almost 80 minutes on a silver CD. I have two >Bevis Frond CDs that clock in over 79 minutes, and I've heard "the >longest CD" is just a tad over 80 minutes. I have some silver CD >bootlegs that cruise the 78 minute mark. The longest CD-R is of course, the I.C.U. complete works CD-R, which clocks at, uh, well, somewhere around six-eight hours (need to measure it)..... -AAA From sdavmor at MCIONE.COM Mon Jul 6 11:20:55 1998 From: sdavmor at MCIONE.COM (S. Davies-Morris) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 08:20:55 -0700 Subject: HW: Live at The Kinetic Playground Message-ID: Does this mean that if I use *silver* discs I can cut roms up to 78 mins in length on my CD-R? I ask because I'm doing the production work for the debut Under The Sun full-length CD (demos from the album to be released soon). The extra 4 mins might make a difference in deciding on the song list and/or the inclusion of a video file talking about the process of making the album. Regards Steven Davies-Morris Applications Liberate Hardware / JES & Assoc. (714) 557-8799 or (714) 553-8200 sdavmor at mcione.com =================================================== -----Original Message----- From: Paul Mather To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Monday, July 06, 1998 8:10 AM Subject: Re: HW: Live at The Kinetic Playground >On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, Kevin Sommers wrote: > >> > ObTechnologicalAdvance: Being able to divide trax without silent spaces >> Oh, but you can, you can! The recording program I use, which allows a >> zero-second gap between tracks, comes from http://www.goldenhawk.com/. > >And it's trivial to do with Adaptec's Easy-CD Pro program that's bundled >with many a CD-R drive. You just write in "disc-at-once" mode, and the >gap between audio tracks is set to zero seconds. The only "downside" is >that this closes the CD-R to further writing (so you can't add further >tracks on the end later), but if you've assembled everything on hard >disc, and written your masterpiece bootleg final version, it's no >problem. > >Actually, making CD-R bootlegs is so easy, I'd say that's grounds for >not including them in discographies (to comment on the recent thread). >At least with silver CD bootlegs, someone has gone to the prior effort >of pressing a *release*, i.e. taking some risk of making a fixed-size >run. With CD-R bootlegs, it seems anyone with a CD-R burner and a >colour printer can just crank them out of his or her basement at >leisure, with no real investment other than the time it took to sample >the tape, write the CD-Rs and design and print the inserts. A sizeable >project, yes, but no great threat financially. And once the first is >made, the rest are quick 'n' dirty to run off. > >The best thing about CD-R bootlegs, IMHO, is that it is easy to "beat >the boots" and copy them yourself, since you have access to the same >media the bootlegger had. This is not always the case with silver CD >bootlegs, which can exceed the 74 minute running time limit due to >professional pressing. > >(Actually, if the Kinetic Playground bootleg had not been a CD-R one, it >might have avoided the jarring cuts described in another posting, >because you can squeeze almost 80 minutes on a silver CD. I have two >Bevis Frond CDs that clock in over 79 minutes, and I've heard "the >longest CD" is just a tad over 80 minutes. I have some silver CD >bootlegs that cruise the 78 minute mark. It's surprising what proper >mastering can do for you.:) > >Cheers, > >Paul. > >e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > >"I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" > --- James Marshall Hendrix From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Jul 6 12:11:35 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:11:35 -0700 Subject: BOC: Not so Super Hits Message-ID: Granted I'm playing catch-up here so bear with me... >But, being the nice guy that I am, I will save you some time and list them for you: Don't Fear the Reaper This Ain't the Summer of Love Godzilla The Red and the Black O.D.'d on Life Itself Goin' through the Motions Black Blade 7 Screaming Diz-busters Burnin' for You Flaming telepaths Sigh, been there done that. John is probably right on all counts Sony doing something at low cost to squeeze a few more bucks out of the BOC name. Damn they are shamless. Now as for least favorite BOC tunes, there be plenty of choices but many I would disagree with here, most notably Light Years of Love. This is one strange song and it took a while but its really grown on me. Someone also pointed out that I Am the Storm is a real downer after the Vigil. Therein lies the problem with a lot of the later albums. The song order for most of BOC's catalog is pretty lame. Rearrange some them and some of these albums sound a lot better. Club Ninja and RBN are not total losers. Shuffle the songs like a deck of cards and both albums can actually be pretty good, lame lyrics and subject matter aside. Whew final thoughts can't really generate enough energy to say which BOC songs I hate (Dr. Music being an exception) but from the trash people have thrown away, I'd definitley reclaim, Searchin' for Celine, Fallen Angel, and everything from RBN. Oh, recommended BOC first listen, get the three pack from Sony (BOC/T&M/ST) definitely the best bargain to be had. I would not start with Imaginos, just don't think its that worthy, the way it turned out and all. Would have been one of the best ever if people had let Al do it the way it should have been done but there was enough interference to ensure that it didn't happen that way. Ghost in the Ruins "Isn't sanity just a one trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking. But when your good and crazy the sky's the limit." -The Tick From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Jul 6 11:19:35 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:19:35 +0800 Subject: HW: Live at The Kinetic Playground Message-ID: Hi all on this subject of CD-R burning, I thought I'd pose an interesting idea to you all. There are some web sites out there that offer MP3 files of Pink Floyd bootlegs. They feel justified in doing so as they are stopping the actual bootleggers profiting from these recordings by making them free on the internet. On these sites you can also find reviews and CD covers of the bootlegs themselves, which is of help. Why not maybe have something similar for Hawkwind (on a similar vein to the Punkcast site)? It would also help those unfamiliar with the band to discover what they sound like? William From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Jul 6 12:53:40 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:53:40 PDT Subject: HW: Live at The Kinetic Playground Message-ID: >Hi all > >on this subject of CD-R burning, >Why not maybe have something similar for Hawkwind (on a similar vein to the >Punkcast site)? It would also help those unfamiliar with the band to >discover what they sound like? > >William > Why not download 'em, save the pictures, and burn our own CD's? Free Bootlegs...or am I stating the obvious? I know if could make good quality recordings of gigs, I'd pass them on ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Jul 6 12:04:06 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:04:06 +0800 Subject: HW: Live at The Kinetic Playground Message-ID: Hi again >>on this subject of CD-R burning, > >>Why not maybe have something similar for Hawkwind (on a similar vein to >the >>Punkcast site)? It would also help those unfamiliar with the band to >>discover what they sound like? >> >>William >> > >Why not download 'em, save the pictures, and burn our own CD's? >Free Bootlegs...or am I stating the obvious? I know if could make good >quality recordings of gigs, I'd pass them on > The material on the Punkcast site is in Real Audio mono, which isn't really good enough quality. The best way to make them available on the net would be in MPEG 3 format. William From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jul 6 13:17:28 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:17:28 -0400 Subject: BOC: Not so Super Hits Message-ID: >Sigh, been there done that. John is probably right on all counts Sony doing something at low cost to squeeze a few more bucks out of the BOC name. Damn they are shamless. Yeah, most big record companies are, I'm sure - the music business is business first, music second. But, I digress... >Now as for least favorite BOC tunes, there be plenty of choices but many I would disagree with here I myself can't objectively comment, as I can find something cool in all of BOC's stuff (yes, even stuff like Debbie Denise). >Someone also pointed out that I Am the Storm is a real downer after the Vigil. Therein lies the problem with a lot of the later albums. The song order for most of BOC's catalog is pretty lame. Rearrange some them and some of these albums sound a lot better. Interesting theory. Don't know that I've ever compared a song based on what it came before or after. My theory has been that the problem with the "lamer" albums if you will is that they lack enough universally-liked songs among BOC fans. On the first 3 albums, 90% of BOC fans probably like 90% of the tracks - and 90% of the unliked tracks are probably the same 2 or 3 songs. On RbN and CN, I suspect that it's more like about 70% of BOC fans like about 50% of the tracks - and if you asked them which tracks they didn't like, you wouldn't have to poll too many people to get every track on the albums. >Oh, recommended BOC first listen, get the three pack from Sony (BOC/T&M/ST) definitely the best bargain to be had. Can't really go wrong with this one, esp. if you think you'll end up collecting more BOC albums - but these 3 definitely set the standard by which all subsequent BOC albums (and some non-BOC albums) would be judged. If you're only looking for 1 or 2 more all-encompassing discs, then WOTT is probably where it's at. >I would not start with Imaginos, just don't think its that worthy, the way it turned out and all. I wouldn't start with it, but not for the reason you mentioned - but, basically because it is somewhat unrepresentative. I think it is a "must have" for anyone with more than about 4 BOC CDs in their collection, but as an "intro to BOC", this album won't give you a good appreciation for the rest of the BOC catalog. Then again, if you just want an album that kicks ass all over the place, Imaginos fits the bill. John From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Jul 6 13:25:17 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:25:17 PDT Subject: HW: Live at The Kinetic Playground Message-ID: >>>Punkcast site)? It would also help those unfamiliar with the band to >>>discover what they sound like? >>> >>>William >>> >> >>Why not download 'em, save the pictures, and burn our own CD's? >>Free Bootlegs...or am I stating the obvious? I know if could make good >>quality recordings of gigs, I'd pass them on >> >>Chris >> >The material on the Punkcast site is in Real Audio mono, which isn't really >good enough quality. The best way to make them available on the net would be >in MPEG 3 format. > >William MP3 is definitely the format I'd use. I haven't checked the difference in size between 44.1 stereo RealAudio (non-streamed) and a similar Mpeg3, but the comparison must be close, if not favourable. Certainly the quality is a vast improvement. Doubters, check out http://www.d-n-a.net/users/dnet.GNQC/cheese/mellowtrilogy.mp3 If you'll excuse the shameless plug. If I were in a popular band who's fans recorded gigs, all I would ask would be that they let us know and send us a decent copy (burnt CD?). I'd then make either the CD available through Mail Order (costs only), or, if we made enough money, get a site with lots of space and upload every track in MP3. Or just call me irresponsible. My (hypothetic) record company would then sue us then kill us dead then market all our back catalogue and not pay us a bean. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Jul 6 13:25:31 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:25:31 PDT Subject: HW: Live at The Kinetic Playground Message-ID: >>>Punkcast site)? It would also help those unfamiliar with the band to >>>discover what they sound like? >>> >>>William >>> >> >>Why not download 'em, save the pictures, and burn our own CD's? >>Free Bootlegs...or am I stating the obvious? I know if could make good >>quality recordings of gigs, I'd pass them on >> >>Chris >> >The material on the Punkcast site is in Real Audio mono, which isn't really >good enough quality. The best way to make them available on the net would be >in MPEG 3 format. > >William MP3 is definitely the format I'd use. I haven't checked the difference in size between 44.1 stereo RealAudio (non-streamed) and a similar Mpeg3, but the comparison must be close, if not favourable. Certainly the quality is a vast improvement. Doubters, check out http://www.d-n-a.net/users/dnetGNQC/cheese/mellowtrilogy.mp3 If you'll excuse the shameless plug. If I were in a popular band who's fans recorded gigs, all I would ask would be that they let us know and send us a decent copy (burnt CD?). I'd then make either the CD available through Mail Order (costs only), or, if we made enough money, get a site with lots of space and upload every track in MP3. Or just call me irresponsible. My (hypothetic) record company would then sue us then kill us dead then market all our back catalogue and not pay us a bean. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Mon Jul 6 14:35:28 1998 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:35:28 -0600 Subject: OFF: Deep Purple Message-ID: The same day I bought BOC's "Heaven Forbid", I also got myself a copy of Deep Purple's latest, "Abandon". Well, I wasn't quite as impressed. A little disappointed, perhaps even. I mean, it's an OK album, but I didn't find it as strong as "Purpendicular" - which is, IMHO, a near-perfect album (I really love all the tracks on that one - except for "Ted the mechanic"). There are a few songs on "Abandon" that I really like, though, like "Watching the sky" and "Fingers to the bone". "Don't make me happy" is kinda cool too. I really hate "Jack Ruby", though, probably because of the lyrics. And I don't remember who said his favorite song was "69", but I really have a hard time with that track too. More noisy then anything else, IMHO. OTOH, I really love the album's cover. Absolutely magnificent :-)) Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Mon Jul 6 14:35:18 1998 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:35:18 -0600 Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid Message-ID: Well, I finally got my copy of HF. I'm in Denver right now, and on our way up here from Mexico (we came by car), buying this album was the first thing I did as soon as we were in the States. Was about time I had it ! BTW, I didn't read all the messages which came through back when the album came out, so perhaps this has already been discussed, but I've heard from a friend who bought the album in France that the European cover is different from the one over here. I still highly dislike this one and really hesitated in buying it - I was considering ordering the European version - but I finally got this one because I didn't really feel like waiting any longer... Anyway, about HF itself... I was really impressed. I love this album. It's full of energy and reminds me a lot of RBN. Even though none of the songs here are quite as strong & powerful as "Take me away", but still... Oddly enough, I also think it sounds a lot like a 70's-80's album... go figure. As for the songs themselves, well... I love them all, honest, although I do have some favorites, of course. Those would have to be "Harvest Moon", "Power underneath despair" (the lyrics on this one are really great - and original !), "Cold gray light of dawn" and "Live for me" (the lyrics, again, are really great). It's really amazing how the band managed to make such a great album, after a 10 year gap (even more than that, if you don't count "Imaginos"), just as if their last album had come out last year. I really *am* impressed. I honestly wasn't expecting anything this good. I do wonder why they included that live version of "In thee" at the end... is this a bonus track on the tape, BTW, or is it also on the CD ? In any case, I didn't like the original all that much, but I liked the song here. I'm not sure why. I'd have to listen to the original again, to see if I've just (finally) grown into this song, or if it's just this version... Oh yeah, something else... Is it just me, or does anyone else think "Damaged" really sounds like "D&S" ? I dunno. Just change the "Damaged and I like it" lyrics to "Dominance and submission" and tell me what you think !!! Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Jul 6 14:09:22 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 14:09:22 -0400 Subject: HW: Live at The Kinetic Playground In-Reply-To: <004601bda8f1$acb5c420$00dddedf@spock.federation> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, S. Davies-Morris wrote: > Does this mean that if I use *silver* discs I can cut roms up to 78 > mins in length on my CD-R? No. Silver CDs allow a longer running time, but are written using a different process. (They don't use dye-based technology.) You have to press them using professional equipment, which is why they're usually done in large runs, to make them cost-effective. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jul 6 16:12:15 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:12:15 +0000 Subject: OFF: Swedish help Message-ID: On m?n 6 jul 1998 13.14 +0200 "Dan Lindfors" wrote: > Yes, to call someone worthy a "king" (kung) is in fact probably the nearest > to "rules" in swedish. Ah--can this kind of usage of "kung" be applied across sexes? (to women also?) To say, for example, "Deb Frost rules!" in Swedish would one say "Deb Frost ?r kung!" or "Deb Frost ?r drottning!"? :) > And a artist or athletic honored with that "title" > - to be "kung" - could in fact (2) a that moment have at least as much > power as the swedish kung... Even so, if there is ever an opening, do let them know I volunteer ;) Heck, I can't be a much worse choice than a French officer and it must be a more comfortable life than graduate student :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From sdavmor at MCIONE.COM Mon Jul 6 15:48:57 1998 From: sdavmor at MCIONE.COM (S. Davies-Morris) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 12:48:57 -0700 Subject: HW: Live at The Kinetic Playground Message-ID: Thanks Paul: Not the answer I was hoping for, but one that puts to bed the issue, unless I want to go invest in some professional disc duplicating equipment... Regards Steven Davies-Morris Applications Liberate Hardware / JES & Assoc. (714) 557-8799 or (714) 553-8200 sdavmor at mcione.com =================================================== -----Original Message----- From: Paul Mather To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Monday, July 06, 1998 11:13 AM Subject: Re: HW: Live at The Kinetic Playground >On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, S. Davies-Morris wrote: > >> Does this mean that if I use *silver* discs I can cut roms up to 78 >> mins in length on my CD-R? > >No. Silver CDs allow a longer running time, but are written using a >different process. (They don't use dye-based technology.) You have to >press them using professional equipment, which is why they're usually >done in large runs, to make them cost-effective. > >Cheers, > >Paul. > >e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu > >"I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" > --- James Marshall Hendrix From iscladoc at IDIR.NET Mon Jul 6 16:26:31 1998 From: iscladoc at IDIR.NET (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 15:26:31 -0500 Subject: email address shift Message-ID: Hi all, Due to some policy changes at work, I'll be reading email via my home account again. Please address any HW Covers All inquiries to this address now. Thanks, Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. iscladoc at idir.net RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. Visit the Dreaming City: http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Jul 6 17:02:57 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:02:57 +0100 Subject: Off: CD playing time ( was HW: Live at The Kinetic Playground) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 11:03 06/07/98 -0400, you wrote: >(Actually, if the Kinetic Playground bootleg had not been a CD-R one, it >might have avoided the jarring cuts described in another posting, >because you can squeeze almost 80 minutes on a silver CD. I have two >Bevis Frond CDs that clock in over 79 minutes, and I've heard "the >longest CD" is just a tad over 80 minutes. I have some silver CD >bootlegs that cruise the 78 minute mark. It's surprising what proper >mastering can do for you.:) > >Cheers, > >Paul. > I have quite a few that make it over the 78 minute mark, but none over the 80. I've also had a couple just lately that wouldn't play on my (expensive) CD-player, nor on my boom-box, but would play on my CD-ROM (not apparently time-related) - any comments anybody? Free your mind & watch your ass! From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Mon Jul 6 20:22:17 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:22:17 -0700 Subject: OFF: CD playing time (was HW: Live at The Kinetic Playground) Message-ID: Ah, this is a good question, even if (more than?) a bit off-topic. Since I've had a bit of experience at this sort of thing, here are some pertinent points: It is possible to manufacture CD's that play for over 80 minutes (I own a couple - the Mission of Burma collection on Rykodisc clocks in at 80:08, and a live Swans one is 80:02 - and these were both manufactured in the late 1980s), BUT I have been unable to find any CD manufacturers in the United States that will make them (otherwise, there would be an additional track on the 'Assassins of Silence' Hawkwind tribute CD :^( , but I digress). The "official" reason for this is that, yes indeed, as CD's get over 78 minutes or so, they become more susceptible to defects. I would suspect that the cause is that there's a bit of "slop" inherent in cutting a CD relative to where (how close to the center) the data begins. With long CD's, if the data starts too far away from the center, it may "spill over" the edge of the CD, causing a loss of the last few minutes or seconds of music. I have experienced a few longer (> 70 minute) CDs that "locked-up" and refused to play the last few minutes, so this may have been the cause. These seemed to occur intermittently within a single run (in other words, I was able to send the disc back to the label and received a playable replacement), and were not greatly affected by the quality of the player (a high-quality one might play a tiny bit more than a cheap portable, but not enough to really matter). Never tried them in a CD-ROM drive, though (I would suspect that this kind of defect would not be improved much, but a 4x/8x/16x etc. CD-ROM drive may have better tracking with a CD that skips or has other non-time-related defects). On Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:02:57 +0100, Chris Warburton posted the following: >At 11:03 06/07/98 -0400, you wrote: >>(Actually, if the Kinetic Playground bootleg had not been a CD-R one, it >>might have avoided the jarring cuts described in another posting, >>because you can squeeze almost 80 minutes on a silver CD. I have two >>Bevis Frond CDs that clock in over 79 minutes, and I've heard "the >>longest CD" is just a tad over 80 minutes. I have some silver CD >>bootlegs that cruise the 78 minute mark. It's surprising what proper >>mastering can do for you.:) Proper mastering will make the music on a CD sound better, but length-related problems are more a function of the manufacturing process; most pressing plants probably just aren't accurate enough. >I have quite a few that make it over the 78 minute mark, but none over the >80. I've also had a couple just lately that wouldn't play on my >(expensive) CD-player, nor on my boom-box, but would play on my CD-ROM (not >apparently time-related) - any comments anybody? From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Jul 6 20:46:39 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:46:39 -0400 Subject: HW: Live at The Kinetic Playground In-Reply-To: <19980706165340.9867.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, Horse Whisperer wrote: > Why not download 'em, save the pictures, and burn our own CD's? > Free Bootlegs...or am I stating the obvious? I know if could make good > quality recordings of gigs, I'd pass them on The fly in the ointment is that it's illegal. Personally, I'm an advocate of "beat the boots," but I don't want to get in trouble from Doug Smith, Dave Brock, Hawkwind, or whatever, for "bootlegging." I'm sure even though I was giving it away for free (e.g. downloadable MPEG audio), they'd take a dim view of it. I know trading of live tapes is pretty much "sanctioned," because it is relatively low-level, but, it seems, whenever you go to a wider distribution, some people take umbrage and want to stop it. So, does anyone know Dave's position on trading live audio? Do Hawkwind officially allow taping at gigs? Cheers, Paul. obTape: Govt. Mule, Tower Theater, Upper Darby, PA, 11/7/96; 11/8/96 e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From capcloud at PALMNET.NET Mon Jul 6 20:51:35 1998 From: capcloud at PALMNET.NET (Captain Cloud) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 20:51:35 -0400 Subject: HW: Live at the Kinetic Playground Message-ID: I've been giving this CD-R a somewhat close listen-to since it arrived a few days ago. It's a nice novelty, but also a minor disappointment. Here's the deal, as I hear it: First off, the quality is the same as that of a multi-generational tape that has had the high end hiss removed, i.e. acceptable but with very limited dynamic range. When I compared it closely with my 8-yr old taped copy of the show, my tape sounded *marginally* better. Perhaps I was merely lucky enough to be closer to the original copy for my tape dub, I dunno. Second, and more telling: This is the concert where the first(?) appearance of the lyrics that became 'Spirit of the Age' were aired. It was a poem read by Calvert himself in an early HW guesting (if I remember right) titled 'Starfarer's Despatch'. Such was my own tape labeled, as was that of another trader that I ran into years later. Anyway, THE POEM IS MISSING! It was cut out of the CD. One of the most unique moments in early HW history, not present! Also, as Hawkjoe has mentioned, there is a 2-sec pause in between each of the tracks on the CD, even though they all ran together on the original tape that must have been the source for this music. This is merely an artifact of the CD-R mastering software that the author used. I myself have used GEAR for burning music CDs, and have found it can avoid the 2-sec pause problem that is common (or so I've read) with other mastering packages. Perhaps a word can be put in the ear of the author...? GEAR can be a bit cryptic at times, but it is reliable once you have "mastered" it. :-) Of course, being the HW whore that I am, all of these were points that I was willing to overlook to a certain extent. The packaging quality of this item is not up to that of the 3-CD series from 'Nova Drive Productions' (wink wink nudge nudge), but most CD-Rs are not. It ranks similar to the packaging of 'Orgasmatron' or 'Dawn of Hawkwind', except slightly lower. All in all, it was inexpensive, and the packaging showed it. And the low price actually included postage to the USA, so I don't really have any reason to bitch. Upon re-reading this it looks like a litany of complaints. Sorry about that... Just be aware that such releases would NOT challenge an inexperienced buyer into purchasing this over the official product. This is strictly for the kollectors in the group. YMMV. ..And, I'll still be tempted to purchase additional items in this series... ;^) -- Captain Cloud capcloud at palmnet.net http://www5.palmnet.net/~capcloud/ ObConcert: Strange Daze '98 (!!!) From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Jul 6 22:14:46 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:14:46 -0400 Subject: HW: Live at The Kinetic Playground In-Reply-To: <19980706172520.26329.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, Horse Whisperer wrote: > MP3 is definitely the format I'd use. I haven't checked the difference > in size between 44.1 stereo RealAudio (non-streamed) and a similar > Mpeg3, but the comparison must be close, if not favourable. Certainly > the quality is a vast improvement. IMHO, this is a no-brainer. MPEG is an open ISO standard, developed and refined over several years by lots and lots of people, including the folks that produce professional broadcast audio and video. The audio part has gone through extensive blind listening tests to ensure high perceptual fidelity. RealAudio, on the other hand, is a proprietary format that works on a few platforms, mainly Windoze. It does not have nearly the developer base that MPEG enjoys. I can handle MPEG fine, but RealAudio isn't supported (last I checked) on my desktop workstation (a DEC 3000/500S Alpha AXP). Digital audio sampled at CD rate (44.1 KHz; stereo; 16-bit samples) consumes about 10MB per minute of audio. Compressing using MPEG layer 3 audio with a 128 KHz bitrate often yields about 1 MB per minute in the compressed stream, and the sound quality is perceptually close to the original source. Greater compression (and greater loss of fidelity) can be achieved by lowering the bitrate, e.g. to 56 KHz, or, by resampling at a lower rate (22 KHz, etc.), or by squeezing into mono. The problem about digital audio is that folks often forget the basic fact that it consumes a lot of bandwidth, so, for great quality, you need to use more megabytes. Sad, but true. > If I were in a popular band who's fans recorded gigs, all I would ask > would be that they let us know and send us a decent copy (burnt CD?). > I'd then make either the CD available through Mail Order (costs only), > or, if we made enough money, get a site with lots of space and upload > every track in MP3. I think band attitude is the key. I am on the Govt. Mule mailing list, and people are openly trading live shows on there all the time. In fact, there's a permanent tape tree allied with the list, called the Mule Trane. The seed for that tree often comes from soundboards provided by the band. This is all made possible by the bands official taping policy: they sanction taping at their shows, and sanction trading so long as no profit is made when trading shows. Many of the shows I've received recently are really superb quality in terms of sound and performance. Again, this is thanks, really, to the band: they've actually said they'd rather be open about taping, and allow people to set up proper equipment (good mics, etc.) and get a great sounding recording than to have to sneak in crappy equipment and make a lousy recording. Bad recordings make the band sound crap, so it makes sense to let fans get the best recording possible. > Or just call me irresponsible. My (hypothetic) record company would > then sue us then kill us dead then market all our back catalogue and not > pay us a bean. I guess it depends on the clout of the band. For example, The Allman Brothers Band are on Sony, and they officially allow taping. Metallica are on Electra, and they allow taping. Both are major labels. Both bands have no problems selling records, despite the taping policy. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Allman Brothers Band, _Fillmore East, 1970_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Mon Jul 6 23:35:17 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:35:17 -0400 Subject: OFF: Max. length of CD-R Message-ID: To add to the current CD-R thread, I found this info about max CD-R length in the CD-R FAQ (http://www.fadden.com/cdrfaq/): Since CDs are written in a spiral, the amount of data you can get on a disc is affected by how tightly spaced the "groove" is. A standard Red Book audio CD or Yellow Book CD-ROM is designed to allow at most 74 minutes of data. By using a tighter track pitch on the spiral "groove" on the glass master, manufacturers can get more data onto the disc. In theory this could make it harder for some CD readers to use the discs. There *are* 80-minute CD-R blanks, but they're very expensive, and may not work on all systems. The longest possible CD-R is 79 minutes, 59 seconds, 74 blocks long, because of the way that the last possible start time of the lead-out is encoded. Such discs are supposedly available directly from TDK (USA sales +1 800 835 8273), and I was able to purchase a small quantity from http://www.microboards.com/. The FAQ author then goes on to say that much CD-R software has problems mastering such abnormally-long CD-Rs, but it *can* be done, with persistence. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Hawkwind, _The 1999 Party_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From cando at HIGHFIBER.COM Tue Jul 7 02:09:17 1998 From: cando at HIGHFIBER.COM (James Coburn) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:09:17 -0600 Subject: BOC: Mix n Match [Was: BOC: Heaven Forbid, OFF: Deep Purple] Message-ID: Alex S. Garcia. writes: > I was really impressed. I love this album [Heaven Forbid] . . . .snip . . . > I really *am* impressed. I honestly wasn't expecting anything this good. >. . . snip . . > I still highly dislike this one [the cover] and really hesitated in buying it. in a second message he writes re the new Deep Purple CD: > I also got myself a copy of Deep Purple's latest, "Abandon". Well, I >wasn't quite as > impressed. A little disappointed, perhaps even. . . . snip . . . > OTOH, I really love the album's cover. Absolutely magnificent :-)) Well, maybe if we put the Heaven Forbid CD in the new Deep Purple jewel case everything would be matched up properly: great CD + great (magnificent) cover . . . and a less than great CD + a __________ [your choice] cover. James Coburn Albuquerque, NM From henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Tue Jul 7 02:28:35 1998 From: henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 08:28:35 +0200 Subject: SV: Re: HW: Live at the Kinetic Playground Message-ID: Hi there! I?ve read the mail concerning CD-R and my opinion is that as long as the bootlegs aren?t to expensive it?s just fun having them. The guy who?s creating the ones I?ve offered will know about your comments and I?m sure he will try to improve both the artwork and the content on the CD?s. I?ve seen the artwork on "Atomhenge 76" and it?s a 500% improvement if you compare to his first product. He?s is also rather new to computers so who knows what the future will bring... Concerning the "poor" sound on bootlegs; I think we have to accept that some of the CD?s are not of "studio-quality" since the people who?s creating them don?t have that kind of equipment or the money. A good example of a "professional" bootleg is ELP?s "Live in Poland". I would say that it?s as good an official live-CD. But as it says on the cover, they?re licensed from Manticore records. I myself actually get a free copy a each CD and a few free beers so this work is really fun :-))). btw. I?ve seen his list over future projects and I?m rather excited since it cover a wide range of prog-groups. All the best Henrik >I've been giving this CD-R a somewhat close listen-to since it >arrived a few days ago. It's a nice novelty, but also a minor >disappointment. Here's the deal, as I hear it: > >First off, the quality is the same as that of a multi-generational >tape that has had the high end hiss removed, i.e. acceptable but >with very limited dynamic range. When I compared it closely with >my 8-yr old taped copy of the show, my tape sounded *marginally* >better. Perhaps I was merely lucky enough to be closer to the >original copy for my tape dub, I dunno. > >Second, and more telling: This is the concert where the first(?) >appearance of the lyrics that became 'Spirit of the Age' were >aired. It was a poem read by Calvert himself in an early HW guesting >(if I remember right) titled 'Starfarer's Despatch'. Such was my >own tape labeled, as was that of another trader that I ran into >years later. Anyway, THE POEM IS MISSING! It was cut out of the >CD. One of the most unique moments in early HW history, not present! > >Also, as Hawkjoe has mentioned, there is a 2-sec pause in between >each of the tracks on the CD, even though they all ran together on >the original tape that must have been the source for this music. >This is merely an artifact of the CD-R mastering software that the >author used. I myself have used GEAR for burning music CDs, and >have found it can avoid the 2-sec pause problem that is common (or >so I've read) with other mastering packages. Perhaps a word can >be put in the ear of the author...? GEAR can be a bit cryptic at >times, but it is reliable once you have "mastered" it. :-) > >Of course, being the HW whore that I am, all of these were points >that I was willing to overlook to a certain extent. The packaging >quality of this item is not up to that of the 3-CD series from >'Nova Drive Productions' (wink wink nudge nudge), but most CD-Rs >are not. It ranks similar to the packaging of 'Orgasmatron' or >'Dawn of Hawkwind', except slightly lower. > >All in all, it was inexpensive, and the packaging showed it. And >the low price actually included postage to the USA, so I don't >really have any reason to bitch. Upon re-reading this it looks >like a litany of complaints. Sorry about that... > >Just be aware that such releases would NOT challenge an inexperienced >buyer into purchasing this over the official product. This is >strictly for the kollectors in the group. YMMV. > >..And, I'll still be tempted to purchase additional items in >this series... ;^) >-- >Captain Cloud >capcloud at palmnet.net >http://www5.palmnet.net/~capcloud/ > >ObConcert: Strange Daze '98 (!!!) > From henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM Tue Jul 7 05:13:11 1998 From: henrik at SUNDSVALL.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:13:11 +0200 Subject: Atomhenge 76 Message-ID: Hi again! The six copies of the Atomhenge 76 C?D I got recently sold out very quick but at the end of this week I?ll get a new shipment. Tracklisting is: Reefer madness, Paradox, Chronoglide skyway, Brainstorm, Wind of change, Steppenwolf, Uncle Sam?s on mars, Time for sale, Back on the streets, Kerb crawler. Total playingtime is about 68 minutes. Price is still 125 SEK (? 10 / $ 15) including P&P (all over the globe, for those living on another planet, ask for price). Artwork has been improved at lot compared to "Kinetic Playground", don?t know about the soundquality though since I?m quite busy right know. Hawkgreetings Henrik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Jul 7 06:50:03 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 03:50:03 PDT Subject: OFF: Bootleg Rumpus (was HW: Live at The Kinetic Playground) Message-ID: >RealAudio, on the other hand, is a proprietary format that works on a >few platforms, mainly Windoze. It does not have nearly the developer >base that MPEG enjoys. I can handle MPEG fine, but RealAudio isn't >supported (last I checked) on my desktop workstation (a DEC 3000/500S >Alpha AXP). Greater compression (and greater loss of fidelity) can >be achieved by lowering the bitrate, e.g. to 56 KHz, or, by resampling >at a lower rate (22 KHz, etc.), or by squeezing into mono. > >The problem about digital audio is that folks often forget the basic >fact that it consumes a lot of bandwidth, so, for great quality, you >need to use more megabytes. Sad, but true. > I work a lot with digital audio, so I'm only too aware of the problems of disc space/bandwidth, but I was mainly commenting on the quality and capability of the compression techniques used for MP3, which seem superior to RealAudio whilst creating similarly sized files. I think. >> If I were in a popular band who's fans recorded gigs, all I would ask >> would be that they let us know and send us a decent copy (burnt CD?). >> I'd then make either the CD available through Mail Order (costs only), >> or, if we made enough money, get a site with lots of space and upload >> every track in MP3. > >I think band attitude is the key. I am on the Govt. Mule mailing list, >and people are openly trading live shows on there all the time. In >fact, there's a permanent tape tree allied with the list, called the >Mule Trane. The seed for that tree often comes from soundboards >provided by the band. This is all made possible by the bands official >taping policy: they sanction taping at their shows, and sanction trading >so long as no profit is made when trading shows. > >Many of the shows I've received recently are really superb quality in >terms of sound and performance. Again, this is thanks, really, to the >band: they've actually said they'd rather be open about taping, and >allow people to set up proper equipment (good mics, etc.) and get a >great sounding recording than to have to sneak in crappy equipment and >make a lousy recording. Bad recordings make the band sound crap, so it >makes sense to let fans get the best recording possible. > Yes, band attitude is a big factor, but let me put it like this..... You're in a local band with a "cult level" following, y'know playing bigger venues with a seventy five or a hundred people turning up specifically to see you. You've no recording contract. You're paying your own recording, producing and releasing costs. Your gigs are your only income. So a punter wants to record your show from your board, you say OK, as long as you get a 1st-gen copy and get to see the artwork beforehand (to check details and maybe to make sure it looks cool enuff etc). Okay so now there's a recording extant which should be good quality, for which you paid no money. Now you can do with it what you want and your name and music gets heard by a much wider audience which increases the chances of (a - most likely) more people coming to your gigs and increasing your chances of breaking even - allowing you to put on more gigs and (b - less likely, but possible) your music getting into the hands, CD player and ears of someone in a position to do something for you....ie A&R. Now let me put it another way....... You're in Metallica/BOC/HW in other words any band with a deal and a serious fanbase. Serious fans will constitute 80-90% of the customer base for bootlegs. They'll buy every studio album. Plus they'll _really_ want the official live LP. Even if they have a boot of the show 'cos they were at it or whatever, because the packaging and the other stuff that comes with it. Plus you have the benefits of the boot CD's reaching people who maybe wouldn't have considered going to a show, and will think "F**k, they really smoke live, I must catch their next show" - another smiling face in the front row, paying ?25 for a teeshirt. So everyone's a winner. Communication is the key, I think. >> Or just call me irresponsible. My (hypothetic) record company would >> then sue us then kill us dead then market all our back catalogue and not >> pay us a bean. > >I guess it depends on the clout of the band. For example, The Allman >Brothers Band are on Sony, and they officially allow taping. Metallica >are on Electra, and they allow taping. Both are major labels. Both >bands have no problems selling records, despite the taping policy. > >Cheers, > >Paul. > Now that's cool record company policy - or is it just a major reacting to a threat from a big league artist??? I do however draw a line in the sand about selling bootlegs for profit - to me that defeats the purpose completely, but boys _will_ be boys. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Jul 7 08:20:25 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 05:20:25 -0700 Subject: OFF: Taping Policy Message-ID: > Or just call me irresponsible. My (hypothetic) record company would > then sue us then kill us dead then market all our back catalogue and not > pay us a bean. >I guess it depends on the clout of the band. For example, >The Allman >Brothers Band are on Sony, and they officially allow taping. >Metallica >are on Electra, and they allow taping. Both are major labels. >Both bands have no problems selling records, despite the taping policy. Lots of bands are into this now. There were several folks video and audio taping the recent Savatage show, including the band itself. Jon Oliva prfoessed to the same line of thought, if there are gonna be boots they may as well sound good. Still can't understand why sopme venues won't allow it when the bands themselves encourage it. Ghost in the Ruins From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Jul 7 08:44:06 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 07:44:06 -0500 Subject: BOC: Track Orders/Sad Sony Message-ID: >Yeah, most big record companies are, I'm sure - the music business is business first, music second. And a one-sided relationship at that; suck the money and *uck the artist seems to be Sony's motto. 8>) >Interesting theory. Don't know that I've ever compared a song based on what it came before or after. Well your not really comparing its more a matter of how it grabs your attention on first listen. Take for example Savatage's DWD. The songs I Am, Starlight, and Dosen't Matter Anyway have a certain pace/style that fit naturally like a puzzle. Now if you were to insert say One Child between Starlight and Dosen't Matter you have a pace interuption. Wouldn't feel natural at all. Each song individually may be good but there may be a tendency to skip a song if the pace dosen't feel right to you. Imagine if BOC had D&S, Golden Age, 7 Screaming Diz's on one side of an album and a second side with Debbi Denise, Lonely Teardrops, Light Years of Love, bet you wouldn't like it that much, the pace would be all wrong. >My theory has been that the problem with the "lamer" albums if you will is that they lack enough universally-liked songs among BOC fans. On the first 3 albums, 90% of BOC fans probably like 90% of the tracks - and 90% of the unliked tracks are probably the same 2 or 3 songs. On RbN and CN, I suspect that it's more like about 70% of BOC fans like about 50% of the tracks - and if you asked them which tracks they didn't like, you wouldn't have to poll too many people to get every track on the albums. Agree, look how often the list disagrees on RBN and CN alone. But again song placement may be a big part of that. Give it a try in your spare time sit down with either or both of these discs and place the songs in an order that feels right to you, fast/medium/slow etc. Copmpare this to the original track order and see which way feels best. You can analyze the lyrics, song structure or whatever but the best way to tell if you are listnening to something good or bad is the way it makes you feel. >I wouldn't start with it, but not for the reason you mentioned - but, basically because it is somewhat unrepresentative. I think it is a "must have" for anyone with more than about 4 BOC CDs in their collection, but as an "intro to BOC", this album won't give you a good appreciation for the rest of the BOC catalog. Then again, if you just want an album that kicks ass all over the place, Imaginos fits the bill. Oh I would agree its a must have and would also agree that it is kick ass top to bottom. Guess I look at it with jaded vision as two things really stick out in my mind. 1) the playing is very professional, lots of talent, but unemotional. No one really seems to have their heart into this effort. 2) It had the potential and material to be one of the all time best recordings ever but clearly it is not. Its not the full version and circle back to point one, not everyone had their heart into making this the phenomenal piece it could have been. I just can't get around that at all. Truly wish they had made Imaginos much earlier as Pearlman had suggested. Think of Imaginos done by the original lineup right after OYFOOYK, I think the end product would have been completely different. Yeah it's "if I woulda coulda shoulda" but I will always consider it the biggest career mistake the band ever made. L8er Ghost in the Ruins From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jul 7 09:04:14 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:04:14 EDT Subject: OFF: Taping Policy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > > Or just call me irresponsible. My (hypothetic) record company would > > then sue us then kill us dead then market all our back catalogue and not > > pay us a bean. > > >I guess it depends on the clout of the band. For example, >The Allman > >Brothers Band are on Sony, and they officially allow taping. >Metallica > >are on Electra, and they allow taping. Both are major labels. >Both bands > have no problems selling records, despite the taping policy. > > Lots of bands are into this now. There were several folks video and > audio taping the recent Savatage show, including the band itself. Jon > Oliva prfoessed to the same line of thought, if there are gonna be boots > they may as well sound good. Still can't understand why sopme venues > won't allow it when the bands themselves encourage it. > Gov't Mule and Little Feat encourage taping, even provide board patches sometimes. Paul Barrere of LF is on the Feat list, and he says that taping actually helps sell the band's official releases, as it keeps interest in the band high in between studio albums, and it also exposes the group to other listeners through trading with folks who tape other bands and then exchange with Feat fans... theo From Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG Tue Jul 7 11:17:30 1998 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG (Olivier Boigey) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:17:30 +0200 Subject: HW: Live at The Kinetic Playground In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message ID on 6/07/98, BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List wrote: BDL> No. Silver CDs allow a longer running time, but are written using a BDL> different process. (They don't use dye-based technology.) You have to BDL> press them using professional equipment, which is why they're usually BDL> done in large runs, to make them cost-effective. BDL> BDL> Cheers, BDL> BDL> Paul. Yes, pressed CDs are cheap in case of high number pressing for magazines e.g. (around thousands); I've pressed some photoCD in the past, 200 items for a total cost of $1600I, the glass mastering is about half of it. Dealing with audio CD concerning a few people (how many on this list?) it's better to use CD-R. Above that, Hotline sites are full of Mp3 files, but never seen HW yet. Olivier --------------------------------------- Olivier Boigey 6 rue Pasquier - 92300 Levallois Perret - FRANCE TEL/FAX: 33 1 41 05 08 50 e-mail: olivier_boigey at technolink.org http://www.altern.org/obwaje/hmpg.htm --------------------------------------- - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Jul 7 07:21:28 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:21:28 +0000 Subject: BOC: Mix n Match [Was: BOC: Heaven Forbid, OFF: Deep Purple Message-ID: > > I also got myself a copy of Deep Purple's latest, "Abandon". Well, I > >wasn't quite as > > impressed. A little disappointed, perhaps even. . . I have to be totally honest for a moment here and admit that I'm far more impressed with Abandon than I was with Heaven Forbid. Abandon is one of those discs that just gets better every time you hear it...and your favorite song changes from week to week (right now it's "Watching the Skies"). Don't get me wrong...Heaven Forbid is excellent...Like many on the list I found it better than I expected it to be. But I believe these guys are capable of much, much more, and I (perhaps too optimistically) consider Heaven Forbid a warm-up for a full-fledged career revival complete with more frequent releases and a return to the experimentation that hooked me on BOC in the first place. -- Nick From arjanh at CS.VU.NL Tue Jul 7 11:18:13 1998 From: arjanh at CS.VU.NL (Hulsebos A) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:18:13 +0200 Subject: BOC: Mix n Match [Was: BOC: Heaven Forbid, OFF: Deep Purple In-Reply-To: "" "Re: BOC: Mix n Match [Was: BOC: Heaven Forbid, OFF: Deep Purple" (Jul 7, 11:21am) Message-ID: On Jul 7, 11:21am, wrote: >Don't get me wrong...Heaven Forbid is excellent...Like many on the >list I found it better than I expected it to be. But I believe these >guys are capable of much, much more, and I (perhaps too >optimistically) consider Heaven Forbid a warm-up for a full-fledged >career revival complete with more frequent releases and a return to >the experimentation that hooked me on BOC in the first place. I'd be more than happy if they just keep the current level. After Cult Classics I feared they'd be a mere shadow of what they once were... Especially Eric's voice was a pleasant surprise! > >-- Nick Arjan H From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jul 7 11:53:23 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:53:23 EDT Subject: BOC: comeback In-Reply-To: <9807071718.ZM22372@cs.vu.nl> Message-ID: > From: Hulsebos A > > >Don't get me wrong...Heaven Forbid is excellent...Like many on the > >list I found it better than I expected it to be. But I believe these > >guys are capable of much, much more, and I (perhaps too I'm not too sure. You gotta remember these are getting to be pretty old guys now. Granted BD looks a good 10 years younger than he is [anyone else notice a similarity bet BD and Michael Douglas--BD being a bit more, eh, cherubic?] but almost 30 years of touring has got to be taking a toll. Also, how many creative ideas is one human brain capable of hatching? Seems like they had trouble coming up with enough material for HF--which I agree is excellent, and better than I would've guessed. Also, it looks like Allen is on cruise control these days, I hate to say. He's almost non-existant on HF... > >optimistically) consider Heaven Forbid a warm-up for a full-fledged > >career revival complete with more frequent releases and a return to > >the experimentation that hooked me on BOC in the first place. > Nothing would make me happier, but I don't think we'll see it... > I'd be more than happy if they just keep the current level. After > Cult Classics I feared they'd be a mere shadow of what they once were... > Especially Eric's voice was a pleasant surprise! > EB's voice is way better than last year, so looks like he's back. BD's playing the best of his career, no question. What will determine whether BOC keeps the records coming is mainly how well HF sells. CMC will for sure give tham another go even if HF goes nowhere, but I doubt they'll be too patient after that without some sales. Look on the bright side: they tour nonstop, so there's always a good chance to see them live. The current setlist is solid, and the quality of playing is great. Even in their prime, it was pulling teeth to get them to record. Creativity comes slowly to this group,. but when it does... theo From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Tue Jul 7 12:12:01 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:12:01 -0400 Subject: OFF: Bootleg Rumpus (was HW: Live at The Kinetic Playground) Message-ID: i think a lot of it boils down to the band in question being afraid that they will perform or otherwise sound less than perfect. i know that is a consideration where HW is concerned. Brock does not want copies of material that he considers sub-standard floating around. im positive there are other factors, but also know this is a part of it. Example: when was the last time HW released a live piece that was not polished/overdubbed/etc in the studio? rj Horse Whisperer wrote: > > Yes, band attitude is a big factor, but let me put it like this..... > You're in a local band with a "cult level" following, y'know playing > bigger venues with a seventy five or a hundred people turning up > specifically to see you. You've no recording contract. You're paying > your own recording, producing and releasing costs. Your gigs are your > only income. > So a punter wants to record your show from your board, you say OK, as > long as you get a 1st-gen copy and get to see the artwork beforehand (to > check details and maybe to make sure it looks cool enuff etc). > Okay so now there's a recording extant which should be good quality, for > which you paid no money. Now you can do with it what you want and your > name and music gets heard by a much wider audience which increases the > chances of (a - most likely) more people coming to your gigs and > increasing your chances of breaking even - allowing you to put on more > gigs and (b - less likely, but possible) your music getting into the > hands, CD player and ears of someone in a position to do something for > you....ie A&R. > > Now let me put it another way....... > You're in Metallica/BOC/HW in other words any band with a deal and a > serious fanbase. Serious fans will constitute 80-90% of the customer > base for bootlegs. They'll buy every studio album. Plus they'll > _really_ want the official live LP. Even if they have a boot of the > show 'cos they were at it or whatever, because the packaging and the > other stuff that comes with it. Plus you have the benefits of the boot > CD's reaching people who maybe wouldn't have considered going to a show, > and will think "F**k, they really smoke live, I must catch their next > show" - another smiling face in the front row, paying #25 for a > teeshirt. > > So everyone's a winner. Communication is the key, I think. > > >> Or just call me irresponsible. My (hypothetic) record company would > >> then sue us then kill us dead then market all our back catalogue and > not > >> pay us a bean. > > > >I guess it depends on the clout of the band. For example, The Allman > >Brothers Band are on Sony, and they officially allow taping. Metallica > >are on Electra, and they allow taping. Both are major labels. Both > >bands have no problems selling records, despite the taping policy. > > > >Cheers, > > > >Paul. > > > > Now that's cool record company policy - or is it just a major reacting > to a threat from a big league artist??? > > I do however draw a line in the sand about selling bootlegs for profit - > to me that defeats the purpose completely, but boys _will_ be boys. > > Chris. > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Jul 7 12:18:44 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:18:44 -0400 Subject: OFF: Bootleg Rumpus (was HW: Live at The Kinetic Playground) In-Reply-To: <19980707105005.28880.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Horse Whisperer wrote: > >The problem about digital audio is that folks often forget the basic > >fact that it consumes a lot of bandwidth, so, for great quality, you > >need to use more megabytes. Sad, but true. > > I work a lot with digital audio, so I'm only too aware of the problems > of disc space/bandwidth, but I was mainly commenting on the quality and > capability of the compression techniques used for MP3, which seem > superior to RealAudio whilst creating similarly sized files. I think. You were, and I was agreeing with you, but I kind of went off on the soapbox at the end there, doing the "MPEG vs. RealAudio" bit, and it seems like I was directing my comments at you specifically. Sorry if it appeared that way; I wasn't. > Now that's cool record company policy - or is it just a major reacting > to a threat from a big league artist??? > > I do however draw a line in the sand about selling bootlegs for profit - > to me that defeats the purpose completely, but boys _will_ be boys. I agree: blanks & postage, or one-for-one trades should be the order of the day! I can understand, and sympathise, somewhat with "traditional" bootlegs, which must recoup manufacturing costs, but CD-Rs don't suffer this up-front problem, unless the artwork is produced professionally (hah!). I find it hard to compare a bootleg of the quality of the 4CD Frank Zappa _Apocrypha_ bootleg---whose production quality rivals official releases---with a CD-R that someone has run off in his or her basement, with an insert printed on a colour inkjet or laser printer, and a dodgy stick-on label. I don't see much difference between a cassette copy and a CD-R of a gig, especially one whose source is a cassette, sampled through a low-rent sound card. Except, of course, that it's easier for me to play CDs when working in the lab! ;-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Roy Bookbinder, _Travelin' Man_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Jul 7 12:42:22 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:42:22 PDT Subject: OFF: Bootleg Rumpus (was HW: Live at The Kinetic Playground) Message-ID: >i think a lot of it boils down to the band in question being afraid that >they will perform or otherwise sound less than perfect. i know that is >a consideration where HW is concerned. Brock does not want copies of >material >that he considers sub-standard floating around. im positive there are >other factors, but also know this is a part of it. Example: when was >the last time >HW released a live piece that was not polished/overdubbed/etc in the >studio? >rj I can see his point. This is why it's to the band's advantage to give would-be bootleggers access to good sound sources. But another _really_ good point is that your gigs sound like fucking bollocks, how can you expect punters to turn up? Studio albums are one thing and but live is a whole different thing. If you can't cut it in front of an audience, then give it up and stick to what you're good at. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Tue Jul 7 15:49:06 1998 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 13:49:06 -0600 Subject: BOC: HF vocals Message-ID: >Especially Eric's voice was a pleasant surprise! Oh yeah ! Speaking of which, does anyone know who sings what on HF ? I've figured out a few, but I'm not sure about all the tracks... Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX Tue Jul 7 16:03:02 1998 From: asg at LAGUNA.COM.MX (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 14:03:02 -0600 Subject: BOC: comeback Message-ID: Ted was saying : >EB's voice is way better than last year, so looks like he's back. >BD's playing the best of his career, no question. What will >determine whether BOC keeps the records coming is mainly how well HF >sells. CMC will for sure give tham another go even if HF goes >nowhere, but I doubt they'll be too patient after that without some >sales. Perhaps. OTOH, look at the bands they've signed... Deep Purple, UFO, etc... Most of them (if not all) are "old bands" which are not very likely to sell as many copies as Madonna, Michael Jackson or whatever. So I think they may have a fair chance of sticking around for a while, if they stay with CMC, even if they're not selling very well... just a thought... >Look on the bright side: they tour nonstop, so there's always a good >chance to see them live. The current setlist is solid, and the >quality of playing is great. Even in their prime, it was pulling >teeth to get them to record. Creativity comes slowly to this group,. >but when it does... I think that's where the real problem lies. Deep Purple, for instance, keep putting out albums every 2-3 years, but BOC... Well, I dunno. There was a time when they'd also release an album every 2 years. But can they still do it ? Do they still have the energy, the creativity - the motivation, even ? I'm sure if they had enough commercial success, that would give them more motivation. And speaking of commercial success, I think it's a shame they don't make music videos more often. It's a great way to promote a song and an album. Does anyone know if they've made any videos for HF yet ? Doesn't look like it so far... they could make something great for "Harvest Moon"... Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ --------------------------------------------------- From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue Jul 7 15:09:24 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:09:24 -0400 Subject: HF vocals Message-ID: Alex said: >Oh yeah ! Speaking of which, does anyone know who sings what on HF ? I've >figured out a few, but I'm not sure about all the tracks... SYIB- Eric HM- Buck Power- Eric X-Ray- Buck HB- Eric Damaged- Buck CGLoD- Eric RW- Buck LFM- Buck SB- Buck In Thee- Buck When they play live, whoever's not lead vocalist (Eric or Buck) sings backup along with Danny Miranda. Allen wanders close to Danny's mic for Godzilla, but I haven't picked his voice up from the speakers. Brian ob2LP> The Bevis Frond "Superseeder" >Alex S. Garcia > >--------------------------------------------------- >Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... > http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ >Read the Icarus Encyclopedia of Fantasy & SF > http://www.pelnet.com/icarus/ >--------------------------------------------------- From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jul 7 15:10:20 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:10:20 EDT Subject: BOC: HF vocals In-Reply-To: <199807071949.NAA01025@LAGUNA-01.laguna.com.mx> Message-ID: > From: "Alex S. Garcia" > > >Especially Eric's voice was a pleasant surprise! > > Oh yeah ! Speaking of which, does anyone know who sings what on HF ? I've > figured out a few, but I'm not sure about all the tracks... > SYIB=EB HM=BD PUD=EB XRE=BD HB=EB Damaged=BD CGLoD=EB RW=BD LfM=BD SB=BD IT=BD theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jul 7 15:42:18 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:42:18 EDT Subject: BOC: comeback In-Reply-To: <199807072003.OAA00019@LAGUNA-01.laguna.com.mx> Message-ID: > From: "Alex S. Garcia" > I think that's where the real problem lies. Deep Purple, for instance, keep > putting out albums every 2-3 years, but BOC... Well, I dunno. There was a > time when they'd also release an album every 2 years. But can they still do > it ? Do they still have the energy, the creativity - the motivation, even ? > I'm sure if they had enough commercial success, that would give them more > motivation. > Of course it's better to wait til you've got a bunch of good material than to rush out an album of bad stuff just to have a new disc. Anyone heard Dokken's last disc? A CMC act, BTW, but are they still with CMC? > And speaking of commercial success, I think it's a shame they don't make > music videos more often. It's a great way to promote a song and an album. > Does anyone know if they've made any videos for HF yet ? Doesn't look like > it so far... they could make something great for "Harvest Moon"... > Agreed! HM is ideally suited to video. But videos cost a fortune, and are typically paid for by the band. And BOC have traditionally been close with a buck [no pun!] probably having learned their lesson with the laser show... Anyone else get a mailing from Al yesterday? There are a couple of new tBS gigs listed. Bad news it looks like only a handful of shows this summer. At least most of them are an easy drive from here. Torgo, Brian, you guys going Friday? theo From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue Jul 7 16:05:49 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:05:49 -0400 Subject: tBS: The Haunt (was RE: BOC: comeback) Message-ID: Theo said: >Anyone else get a mailing from Al yesterday? There are a couple of >new tBS gigs listed. Bad news it looks like only a handful of shows >this summer. At least most of them are an easy drive from here. >Torgo, Brian, you guys going Friday? I'll be there Friday and at the Rochester gig. Don't know about Elmira or Buffalo... I guess it depends on whether the setlist is going to change at all (wink wink, nudge nudge.) I talked to Jason "Bolts of Ungodly Vision" Scruton on the phone yesterday and he'll be there Friday too. We'll see if he can get Billy to yell "You Rock!" to him again like at the last Haunt gig! Brian From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Jul 7 15:38:56 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:38:56 +0100 Subject: HW: Live at The Kinetic Playground In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 22:14 06/07/98 -0400, you wrote: > >I guess it depends on the clout of the band. For example, The Allman >Brothers Band are on Sony, and they officially allow taping. Metallica >are on Electra, and they allow taping. Both are major labels. Both >bands have no problems selling records, despite the taping policy. > And of course thee Dead had a pro-taping policy for years.. >Cheers, > >Paul. > >obCD: Allman Brothers Band, _Fillmore East, 1970_ > A classic - more twinges over my temporarily absent vinyl... As for the rest... I've never been very impressed by Real Audio - more like real '60s transistor radio, and (as an IT professional) I wholeheartedly support open standards as opposed to de facto Microsnot related ones. ChrisW obCDs: Sugar "File Under Easy Listening" / The Pixies "Death To The Pixies" Free your mind & watch your ass! From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jul 7 16:32:42 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:32:42 EDT Subject: tBS: The Haunt (was RE: BOC: comeback) In-Reply-To: <329A5258416CD111928F006008A62C763530AA@bpxsv.156.106.206.in-addr.arpa> Message-ID: > From: brian halligan > Theo said: > >Anyone else get a mailing from Al yesterday? There are a couple of > >new tBS gigs listed. Bad news it looks like only a handful of shows > >this summer. At least most of them are an easy drive from here. > >Torgo, Brian, you guys going Friday? > > I'll be there Friday and at the Rochester gig. Don't know about Elmira > or Buffalo... I guess it depends on whether the setlist is going to > change at all (wink wink, nudge nudge.) > I think the Roch. gig is a Thurs., which probably will make me a scratch. Buffalo's too far away. Elmira looks good--hey my buddy did some time there! > I talked to Jason "Bolts of Ungodly Vision" Scruton on the phone > yesterday and he'll be there Friday too. We'll see if he can get Billy > to yell "You Rock!" to him again like at the last Haunt gig! > I think the exact quote was: "This guy ROCKS!" theo ******************************* theo "...Power in the hands of fools..." From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Jul 7 16:40:32 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:40:32 -0400 Subject: HW: Live at The Kinetic Playground In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980707203856.007f6b80@mail.clara.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Chris Warburton wrote: > >obCD: Allman Brothers Band, _Fillmore East, 1970_ > > > > A classic - more twinges over my temporarily absent vinyl... Actually, I don't think this has ever been released on vinyl. (It's a CD put out by Grateful Dead Merchandising; I bought it through their WWW site.) You may be mistaking it for its more famous counterpart, _At Fillmore East_, recorded and released in 1971. It also illustrates well the difference between a warts 'n' all live recording (a la _Fillmore East, 1970_), and a cleaned-up, selective, assembled "live recording" (a la _At Fillmore East_, or, worse, _The Fillmore Concerts_ [in which "live" tracks are digitally stitched together from different shows]). Btw, I *love* _The Fillmore Concerts_, but _Fillmore East, 1970_ is much closer to what a real 1970 ABB gig would've sounded like to the audience, I think. (And rather nice, too!) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Monster Magnet, _Powertrip_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jul 7 17:08:18 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:08:18 EDT Subject: HW: Live at The Kinetic Playground In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Paul Mather > Actually, I don't think this has ever been released on vinyl. (It's a > CD put out by Grateful Dead Merchandising; I bought it through their WWW > site.) You may be mistaking it for its more famous counterpart, _At > Fillmore East_, recorded and released in 1971. > Paul, could you post the URL? sounds like a disc I should have. What's on it? > It also illustrates well the difference between a warts 'n' all live > recording (a la _Fillmore East, 1970_), and a cleaned-up, selective, > assembled "live recording" (a la _At Fillmore East_, or, worse, _The > Fillmore Concerts_ [in which "live" tracks are digitally stitched > together from different shows]). > > Btw, I *love* _The Fillmore Concerts_, but _Fillmore East, 1970_ is much > closer to what a real 1970 ABB gig would've sounded like to the > audience, I think. (And rather nice, too!) > I've been listening to the Fillmore Concerts here at work the last couple days! Actually, this kind of splicing isn't new. Cream's Crossroads, while not spliced together [at least I don't think so] was actually part of a much longer take that was pared down from around 10 minutes to the 5 minute or so version from Wheels of Fire... ******************************* theo "...Power in the hands of fools..." From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Jul 7 17:12:36 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:12:36 -0500 Subject: OFF: A nit I know... Message-ID: Folks can we change this header please... "[Rudich, Robert A: HW: Orgasmatron Tracks] (3)" Newbies may not know but I feel a bit uneasy seeing this one pass back and forth. I know there was no bad intent here but...well...makes me feel uncomfortable seeing it. Thanks in advance. Ghost in the Ruins From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Jul 7 18:16:50 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:16:50 -0400 Subject: OFF: ABB, _Fillmore East, 1970_ In-Reply-To: <35BA2F4035@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: Theo, > > From: Paul Mather > > Actually, I don't think this has ever been released on vinyl. (It's a > > CD put out by Grateful Dead Merchandising; I bought it through their WWW > > site.) You may be mistaking it for its more famous counterpart, _At > > Fillmore East_, recorded and released in 1971. > > Paul, could you post the URL? sounds like a disc I should have. > What's on it? The track listing is: In Memory of Elizabeth Reed Hoochie Coochie Man Statesboro Blues Trouble No More Outskirts of Town Whipping Post Mountain Jam Mountain Jam clocks in at around 30 minutes, and the whole CD is over 70 minutes. Sound quality is good---recorded by Owsley himself!---and is close to what the venue would've sounded on the night, so the liner notes say. This is raw, unedited Allmans, on the night (flubbed notes and all:)! The ABB WWW site has a page on it (http://www.netspace.org/allmans/reviews/rreviews/fill0270.html). You can order it from "them," or, from the source (Grateful Dead Merchandising), http://grateful.dead.net/merchandising/music/merch/index.html, and save a little. I've seen this CD in a local store for the outrageous price of $30---a whopping markup over the $11+S&H GDM charge, so it pays to go mail order. :-) > I've been listening to the Fillmore Concerts here at work the last > couple days! > > Actually, this kind of splicing isn't new. Cream's Crossroads, while > not spliced together [at least I don't think so] was actually part of > a much longer take that was pared down from around 10 minutes to the > 5 minute or so version from Wheels of Fire... Yeah, but on _TFC_, "...Elizabeth Reed," for example, is spliced together from two halves of two separate performances on two different nights (which is harder to do). But I guess that's no worse than cutting down a longer take by chopping out all the bad parts, is it? :-) Actually, Frank Zappa kind of took this to the Nth degree (maybe a new compositional art form?:). On the _You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore_ series, some tracks were spliced together from separate performances. In the case of "Lonesome Cowboy Burt," the performances were 20 years apart!! (He also used this technology on _Civilisation, Phase III_ to integrate dialogue from the original _Lumpy Gravy_ sessions with present-day additions. Sonic Solutions took care of ironing out the ambience differences. Scary stuff!) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Roy Bookbinder, _Travelin' Man_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Tue Jul 7 20:11:32 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:11:32 -0400 Subject: OFF: Bootleg Rumpus (was HW: Live at The Kinetic Playground) Message-ID: i see yer point too, but i have been to lots of gigs that sounded great on the spot, but on listening to the recording, wondered how i managed to stick out the duration of the show. the difference that volume and ambience makes is pretty incredible sometimes.. i mean, even poor quality _recordings_ sound tolerable if you put them thru a powerful- enuff system... rj Horse Whisperer wrote: > I can see his point. This is why it's to the band's advantage to give > would-be bootleggers access to good sound sources. > But another _really_ good point is that your gigs sound like fucking > bollocks, how can you expect punters to turn up? > Studio albums are one thing and but live is a whole different thing. If > you can't cut it in front of an audience, then give it up and stick to > what you're good at. > > Chris. > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cando at HIGHFIBER.COM Tue Jul 7 20:56:23 1998 From: cando at HIGHFIBER.COM (James Coburn) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:56:23 -0600 Subject: Song re-sequencing [was Re: BOC: Not so Super Hits] Message-ID: Ghost in the Ruins wrote: > . . . Therein lies the problem with a lot of the later albums. The >song order for most of BOC's catalog is pretty lame. Rearrange some >them and some of these albums sound a lot better. > >[Club Ninja and RBN are not total losers.] Shuffle the songs like a deck >of cards and [both] albums can actually be pretty good, lame lyrics and >subject matter aside. . . . SNIP . . . Give it a try in your spare >time sit down with either or both of these discs and place the songs in >an order that feels right to you, fast/medium/slow etc. Copmpare this to >the original track order and see which way feels best. You can analyze >the lyrics, song structure or whatever but the best way to tell if you >are listnening to something good or bad is the way it makes you feel. . . >SNIP . . >Imagine if BOC had D&S, Golden Age, 7 Screaming Diz's on one side of an >album and a second side with Debbi Denise, Lonely Teardrops, Light Years >of Love, bet you wouldn't like it that much, the pace would be all >wrong. . . . SNIP . . . Speaking of reordering song sequences: Someone some months back had a favorite [re]sequencing of the AOF tracks-I tried it but after 20+ years of listening to it in the original order I just couldn't get used to a new sequence. However with HF being new I wonder if any one else has experimented with re-sequencing the tracks? I know everyone has their fav.s and a few that are less appealling but here's the order I've been listening to: 1 Damaged 2 SYIB 3 HM 4 PUD 5 HB 6 Damaged (I listen to this one twice with the CD deck program) 7 RW 8 CGLoD 9 Still Burnin' 10 LFM (I know there's 2 missing - In Thee just seems out of place to me if you're into establishing a flow, pace, mood, etc., and I tried but X-ray Eyes just didn't grab me) [don't bash too hard here please [ :-) ]]. Anyway, anybody else do some HF rearranging? (and RBN / CN while we're at it?) James Coburn Albuquerque, NM From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jul 7 22:35:21 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 02:35:21 +0000 Subject: Song re-sequencing [was Re: BOC: Not so Super Hits] Message-ID: I remember a lot of people saying the liked reordering _Imaginos_. I like damn near the whole disc (except the title track :) so I've never minded what order it was in so long as I heard it :) Cheers, Carl ObCD: Anubian Lights, _The Eternal Sky_ -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jul 7 22:41:23 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 02:41:23 +0000 Subject: OFF: ABB, _Fillmore East, 1970_ Message-ID: On tis 7 jul 1998 18.16 -0400 "Paul Mather" wrote: > Mountain Jam clocks in at around 30 minutes, and the whole CD is over 70 > minutes. Sound quality is good---recorded by Owsley himself!---and is > close to what the venue would've sounded on the night, so the liner > notes say. This is raw, unedited Allmans, on the night (flubbed notes > and all:)! > I've seen this CD in a local store for the outrageous price of $30---a > whopping markup over the $11+S&H GDM charge, so it pays to go mail > order. :-) Oh *yes*. Oh yes oh yes I think *so*. > Yeah, but on _TFC_, "...Elizabeth Reed," for example, is spliced > together from two halves of two separate performances on two different > nights (which is harder to do). But I guess that's no worse than > cutting down a longer take by chopping out all the bad parts, is it? :-) That never bothered me--I mean, I appreciate the purity of an original recording, but I also appreciate that you *can* take two partially good recordings and make one excellent recording out of them. If it sounds good, do it. It's not like they're trying to deceive you or anything: they've simply said, "We've spliced it." So what the hey :) > "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" > --- James Marshall Hendrix Get right back to you one of these days. There's a marvelous Gov't Mule version of this :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From mordru at FLITE.NET Tue Jul 7 22:58:51 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 22:58:51 -0400 Subject: Song re-sequencing [was Re: BOC: Not so Super Hits] Message-ID: > I remember a lot of people saying the liked reordering >_Imaginos_. I like damn near the whole disc (except the title >track :) so I've never minded what order it was in so long as >I heard it :) I always prefer the order from the FAQ, besides making the story more coherent, it has a nice juxtaposition of heavier tunes with lighter tunes. ==================================== Roger Shrubstaff, GM of Reeves == Tension, Duchy of Silverwater == Apprehension, http://flite.net/~mordru/silver.html = and Dissension (Andrew A. Apold) == have begun. ==================================== -Alfred Bester From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Jul 7 23:02:13 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 23:02:13 -0400 Subject: OFF: ABB, _Fillmore East, 1970_ In-Reply-To: <2251325.3108854483@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: Carl writes: > That never bothered me--I mean, I appreciate the purity of an > original recording, but I also appreciate that you *can* take two > partially good recordings and make one excellent recording out of > them. If it sounds good, do it. It's not like they're trying to > deceive you or anything: they've simply said, "We've spliced it." > So what the hey :) Hey, I love _The Fillmore Concerts_, but do too much of that studio trickery and you start messing with people's minds! :-) Where does the line between studio and live performance end? How much messing can you do and still call it live? And, you fix up too much in the studio and you create a false impression of what the band are like live. Start polishing it too much, and it begins to become too fake. Call me daft, but I actually *like* the little flubs, mistakes, and recoveries, like leaving in the "sorry... power failure" bit in _Hawklords Live_... ;-) I do appreciate what can be done with live material and stitching, though. Frank Zappa often took live guitar solos and then crafted studio tracks around them (e.g. "Inca Roads"), which is probably the opposite of what is normally done, i.e. to take studio material (overdubs) to patch up something and pass it off as "live." Frank was nothing if not a master editor. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Frank Zappa, _You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore, Vol. 2: The Helsinki Concerts_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Jul 7 20:15:50 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 01:15:50 +0100 Subject: Off: Allman Bros. Live In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 16:40 07/07/98 -0400, you wrote: >On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Chris Warburton wrote: > >> >obCD: Allman Brothers Band, _Fillmore East, 1970_ >> > >> >> A classic - more twinges over my temporarily absent vinyl... > >Actually, I don't think this has ever been released on vinyl. (It's a >CD put out by Grateful Dead Merchandising; I bought it through their WWW >site.) You may be mistaking it for its more famous counterpart, _At >Fillmore East_, recorded and released in 1971. > Righty-ho! Vinyl withdrawal is obviously clouding my senses ;-{)> > >It also illustrates well the difference between a warts 'n' all live >recording (a la _Fillmore East, 1970_), and a cleaned-up, selective, >assembled "live recording" (a la _At Fillmore East_, or, worse, _The >Fillmore Concerts_ [in which "live" tracks are digitally stitched >together from different shows]). > I hadn't realised...I always thought it was a case of putting together the original live double with "Mountain Jam" & the others off "Eat A Peach" that came from the same shows - I was always tantalised by those fadeouts.... ChrisW obCD: Weather Report "Live In Tokyo" Free your mind & watch your ass! From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Jul 7 20:16:21 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 01:16:21 +0100 Subject: OFF: A nit I know... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 16:12 07/07/98 -0500, you wrote: >Folks can we change this header please... > >"[Rudich, Robert A: HW: Orgasmatron Tracks] (3)" > >Newbies may not know but I feel a bit uneasy seeing this one pass back >and forth. I know there was no bad intent here but...well...makes me >feel uncomfortable seeing it. > ??????????????????????????????????????????? ChrisW Free your mind & watch your ass! From StevenTice at AOL.COM Wed Jul 8 00:02:51 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:02:51 EDT Subject: BOC: Creativity and production Message-ID: In a message dated 98-07-07 11:54:07 EDT, you write: << Even in their prime, it was pulling teeth to get them to record. Creativity comes slowly to this group,. but when it does... >> Well, actually, they were pretty prolific during their prime, if you define their prime as their early to middle days (and, considering the quality of the first three albums, that seems reasonable). They released an album a year from their inception in 1972 through RBN in 1983...that's a pretty good run! Plus, there's TONS of unreleased recordings from all of the band members during that period...they could fill a bunch of anniversary collections with rare tracks if a record company would actually DO such a collection. By the middle years (AOF through Fire) virtually every member was bringing a bunch of songs to each album, only a handful of which were actually selected. It's only after RBN that it all dries up rather suddenly... SET From StevenTice at AOL.COM Wed Jul 8 00:06:17 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 00:06:17 EDT Subject: BOC: HF vocals Message-ID: In a message dated 98-07-07 14:52:09 EDT, you write: << Speaking of which, does anyone know who sings what on HF ? I've figured out a few, but I'm not sure about all the tracks... >> I have to admit, I'm surprised that anyone finds it difficult to differentiate Bloom from Roeser! Hmmm...Bloom...Roeser...there's a pun in there somewhere...:-) SET From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Jul 8 02:38:10 1998 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 02:38:10 EDT Subject: OFF: MAN? Message-ID: Hi, this might not be what you might think. It's a vinyl album (self-titled) called "Man" and it's _not_ that Brit/blues/improv band that many of us know and love. Question is: Does anyone knows and/or love _this_ Man? Does anyone know when it was released? It's on Columbia, but w/no date, so I assume it's before '70. It sounds okay, I'm listening to it now. Pretty regular late '60s-type rock, I'm guessing American. I don't think I want it, though, so if anyone's interested, go ahead and bid (starting at $8). Thanks, Chuck BTW, I know there are a lot of vinyl nutters on this list, so if you're interested in seeing a catalogue of sale records, please check out: Chuckrecs's Home Page Good prices! Thanks. From arjanh at CS.VU.NL Wed Jul 8 03:34:12 1998 From: arjanh at CS.VU.NL (Hulsebos A) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 09:34:12 +0200 Subject: OFF: ABB, _Fillmore East, 1970_ In-Reply-To: Paul Mather "OFF: ABB, _Fillmore East, 1970_" (Jul 7, 6:16pm) Message-ID: On Jul 7, 6:16pm, Paul Mather wrote: >> Actually, this kind of splicing isn't new. Cream's Crossroads, while >> not spliced together [at least I don't think so] was actually part of >> a much longer take that was pared down from around 10 minutes to the >> 5 minute or so version from Wheels of Fire... Didn't know that. Has the full version ever been released? >Yeah, but on _TFC_, "...Elizabeth Reed," for example, is spliced >together from two halves of two separate performances on two different >nights (which is harder to do). But I guess that's no worse than >cutting down a longer take by chopping out all the bad parts, is it? :-) Apart from tempo differences, it isn't. You'd have to be a very consistent musician, otherwise you'd wind up with _The Chipmunk Orchestra_ :-) >Actually, Frank Zappa kind of took this to the Nth degree (maybe a new >compositional art form?:). On the _You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore_ >series, some tracks were spliced together from separate performances. >In the case of "Lonesome Cowboy Burt," the performances were 20 years >apart!! (He also used this technology on _Civilisation, Phase III_ to >integrate dialogue from the original _Lumpy Gravy_ sessions with >present-day additions. Sonic Solutions took care of ironing out the >ambience differences. Scary stuff!) He took it even further: on Sheik Yerbouti, there's a (at least one) track where the bass and the drum tracks were taken from different recordings, for songs that had (up til then) nothing to do with one another...... On _You Can't_, there are two tracks (King Kong and Montana), which have performances spliced together from two, totally different bands; I think only Zappa is a common member of both bands... Scary? Yes, it's scary how good Zappa's bandmembers are/were. Cheers, Arjan H -- Disclaimer? Whaddayamean, disclaimer? This is 1998! Arjan Hulsebos -- arjanh at cs.vu.nl For more info (last updated June 5,1998): finger -l arjanh at top.cs.vu.nl From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 8 05:00:15 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:00:15 +0100 Subject: Tim Blake vinyl Message-ID: Mint 12" vinyl version of Tim Blake's "New Jerusalem" spotted in a record store in Edinburgh price 15 UK pounds. If anyone is interested and would like me to pick it up for them let me know! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Wed Jul 8 06:17:01 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:17:01 +0000 Subject: HW: Live at The Kinetic Playground In-Reply-To: <35BA2F4035@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: Theo writes: > >Actually, this kind of splicing isn't new. Cream's Crossroads, while >not spliced together [at least I don't think so] was actually part of >a much longer take that was pared down from around 10 minutes to the >5 minute or so version from Wheels of Fire... > And we all know about the versions of Brainstom and Time we Left, cut down for the original Space Ritual LP, but released in their fuul glory on SR2!! Guy From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jul 8 08:00:24 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:00:24 +0000 Subject: OFF: ABB, _Fillmore East, 1970_ Message-ID: On tis 7 jul 1998 23.02 -0400 "Paul Mather" wrote: > Carl writes: >> That never bothered me--I mean, I appreciate the purity of an >> original recording, but I also appreciate that you *can* take two >> partially good recordings and make one excellent recording out of >> them. If it sounds good, do it. It's not like they're trying to >> deceive you or anything: they've simply said, "We've spliced it." >> So what the hey :) > > Hey, I love _The Fillmore Concerts_, but do too much of that studio > trickery and you start messing with people's minds! :-) Where does the > line between studio and live performance end? How much messing can you > do and still call it live? Well, _that_ is an old question which has been an issue well before people came up with clever digital editing techniques. There are plenty of "live" albums out there that are not entirely so! > And, you fix up too much in the studio and > you create a false impression of what the band are like live. Start > polishing it too much, and it begins to become too fake. Call me daft, > but I actually *like* the little flubs, mistakes, and recoveries, like > leaving in the "sorry... power failure" bit in _Hawklords Live_... ;-) Sure, so do I. But I don't think it really creates a false impression of what a band is like live if you say "we edited together different performances". Then everyone knows that the track they're hearing never truly existed outside of recorded media. I put it down to whether they claim it's fully live and it isn't, or not. Where do we classify Brock's banks of tapes and MIDI stuff? I suppose, in a sense, that even a live recording with no overdubbing or later additions is often remixed for a better sound on the record. Is it still live if some weird screw-up dropped bass out of the PA mix briefly, but it still went to the tape and therefore ends up on the live album? :) Perhaps instead of parental warning stickers we should campaign for studio-trickery stickers, just so that everything is up front :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 8 07:35:34 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 07:35:34 EDT Subject: OFF: ABB, _Fillmore East, 1970_ In-Reply-To: <9807080934.ZM23229@cs.vu.nl> Message-ID: > From: Hulsebos A > > >> Actually, this kind of splicing isn't new. Cream's Crossroads, while > >> not spliced together [at least I don't think so] was actually part of > >> a much longer take that was pared down from around 10 minutes to the > >> 5 minute or so version from Wheels of Fire... > > Didn't know that. Has the full version ever been released? > I don't know about that. I believe that the stuff cut out was pretty much dead air and errant guitar bits that sounded better when removed! theo ******************************* theo "...Power in the hands of fools..." From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 8 08:05:50 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 08:05:50 EDT Subject: BOC: Creativity and production In-Reply-To: <655a1e4a.35a2ef6d@aol.com> Message-ID: > From: Steven Tice > > Well, actually, they were pretty prolific during their prime, if you define > their prime as their early to middle days (and, considering the quality of the > first three albums, that seems reasonable). They released an album a year > from their inception in 1972 through RBN in 1983...that's a pretty good run! > Plus, there's TONS of unreleased recordings from all of the band members > during that period...they could fill a bunch of anniversary collections with > rare tracks if a record company would actually DO such a collection. By the > middle years (AOF through Fire) virtually every member was bringing a bunch of > songs to each album, only a handful of which were actually selected. It's > only after RBN that it all dries up rather suddenly... > Hmm...curious how that coincides with Al's departure from the group eh? I didn't know that, about all the leftover songs. REally makes me drool for a boxed set. Maybe if i live to be a hundred Do you know any of the names of the songs not used, and who wrote them? I'd find this fascinating... theo ******************************* theo "...Power in the hands of fools..." From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 8 09:14:06 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:14:06 +0100 Subject: OFF: A nit I know... In-Reply-To: Chris Warburton's message of Wed, 8 Jul 1998 01:16:21 +0100 Message-ID: Chris Warburton writes: > At 16:12 07/07/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Folks can we change this header please... > > > >"[Rudich, Robert A: HW: Orgasmatron Tracks] (3)" > > > >Newbies may not know but I feel a bit uneasy seeing this one pass back > >and forth. I know there was no bad intent here but...well...makes me > >feel uncomfortable seeing it. > > > ??????????????????????????????????????????? Rudy, a longtime denizen of this list, died recently. A lot of us traded with him and some knew him personally. He was definitely one of the Good Guys, thus the sensitivity. Personally I kind of like the concept that folks ideas can survive in cyberspace but I can understand folks feeling otherwise. FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jul 8 10:26:38 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:26:38 +0000 Subject: OFF: A nit I know... Message-ID: On ons 8 jul 1998 14.14 +0100 "M Holmes" wrote: > Personally I kind of like the concept that folks ideas can survive in > cyberspace but I can understand folks feeling otherwise. [Freely plagrized from Norse poetry:] Cattle die, kinsmen die thyself dies the same. Good word-fame never fades, I know, for he who wins it. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Wed Jul 8 07:35:25 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:35:25 +0000 Subject: BOC: Creativity and production Message-ID: > Hmm...curious how that coincides with Al's departure from the group > eh? I didn't know that, about all the leftover songs. REally makes > me drool for a boxed set. Maybe if i live to be a hundred > > Do you know any of the names of the songs not used, and who wrote > them? I'd find this fascinating... > > theo Let's not discount the creative abilities of the remaing three founders here. I mean, Al's stuff is great, and probably the most highly regarded in the eyes of true BOC fans...but remember, whether you like the "Big three" or not, they're ALL Buck's tunes, and it was those three songs, plus Buck's playing, that garnered BOC the lion's share of the mainstream attention they got. In fact, I'd argue that it without those hits, we might not be talking about BOC at all in 1998. I know I personally was hooked into them after hearing Godzilla. And Harvest Moon, another total Buck-o-Rama, is arguably one of their best songs since well before Al and Joe left. Plus, it's done backflips around any Brain Surgeons tunes in terms of commercial success...although that could also have a lot to do with BOC having CMC in their corner. Not to diss Al, who I think is fantastic, both with BOC and without them, but to suggest that BOC can't play up to past standards anymore really shortchanges Buck, Eric and Allen. -- Nick From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Jul 8 11:41:14 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:41:14 -0400 Subject: OFF: ABB, _Fillmore East, 1970_ In-Reply-To: <9807080934.ZM23229@cs.vu.nl> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Jul 1998, Hulsebos A wrote: > Apart from tempo differences, it isn't. You'd have to be a very consistent > musician, otherwise you'd wind up with _The Chipmunk Orchestra_ :-) Actually, it's a bit harder than that. Two separate performances are unlikely to be recorded the same, especially if they are recorded years apart using different equipment. Even something simple like getting the levels the same across all instruments isn't a given. Suppose the guitar is way up on performance #2 relative to everything else. If you don't do something about that in your spliced version, the splice is going to be pretty obvious. But, that's easy to solve (assuming you have the original, unmixed tapes). What is harder is the "ambience" problems imparted by different recording equipment (mics, console, etc.): splicing a recording made on a 48-track digital recording truck with something made on a 4-track analogue deck is going to pose more of a challenge, especially since more of the mixing will already have been done on the 4-track during recording, due to limited number of channels. Even the latent noise characteristics of the media used to record on will be different across different time periods, and must be equalised. Venue will also make a difference (e.g. inside a piano vs. inside a studio:). That's why it's much easier to edit down performances than to do those gonzo splices that Zappa did. > He took it even further: on Sheik Yerbouti, there's a (at least one) track > where the bass and the drum tracks were taken from different recordings, > for songs that had (up til then) nothing to do with one another...... "Rubber Shirt," IIRC. "Yo Mama" is another cut-up, on the same album. _Does Humor Belong In Music_ is pretty rampant with the stuff, too. It gets pretty ambitious (but a bit obvious:) on the _You Can't..._ series, e.g. making Flo & Eddie play with the 1988 "big band." Cheers, Paul. obCD: Hawkwind, _The 1999 Party_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jul 8 13:41:56 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:41:56 +0000 Subject: BOC: Creativity and production Message-ID: On ons 8 jul 1998 11.35 +0000 "" wrote: > Not to diss Al, who I think is fantastic, both with BOC and without > them, but to suggest that BOC can't play up to past standards anymore > really shortchanges Buck, Eric and Allen. Buck is an undeniably "shit-hot" guitar player, Allen is no slouch on guitar and damn good on keys. I still like Eric as a singer most of the time, and he can be a good front man--IMO he was a bit restrained in his posturing (which is the fun part) at the Astoria. Musically, BOC is week in the obvious place: drums. The drumming on the album (and at the Astoria) was fine, and there's no doubt it is technically quite competant. But it doesn't really _stand out_ the way Al's does. Mind you, Al is one of the finest drummers I've heard. Not many drummers really catch my attention, and Al did from the first time I listened to BOC. I can't help but think that some of the subtler rhythmic shifts on _HF_ would have been really brought to life. But _HF_ isn't _bad_ IMO, and beats the pants overall off of _RbN_ and _CN_ IMO. Meanwhile, I hope the relative silence from the tBS camp means that something very cool, and very big is in the works. Well, we know that Al and Co. have plenty left to dish out. tBS have a bunch of albums that prove it. We'll just have to wait and see if BOC can manage as well. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Jul 8 13:11:49 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:11:49 +0100 Subject: Private Gig Message-ID: > Well if we can't get Hawkwind to do a gig, we can always hire Molly Hatchet > instead. 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Name: vcard.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 257 bytes Desc: Card for Stuart A Hamilton URL: From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 8 13:12:02 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:12:02 EDT Subject: BOC: Creativity and production In-Reply-To: <199807081531.LAA13037@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: > From: "" > Let's not discount the creative abilities of the remaing three > founders here. I mean, Al's stuff is great, and probably the most > highly regarded in the eyes of true BOC fans...but remember, whether > you like the "Big three" or not, they're ALL Buck's tunes, and it was > those three songs, plus Buck's playing, that garnered BOC the > lion's share of the mainstream attention they got. In fact, I'd argue That's for certain. Look at BD's playing on tunes that Al wrote, like COF, DaS, etc. Buck's playing is crucial to these songs being classics. What I was getting at was that Al had a way of propelling the BAND foreward, that he provided a ceative spark which helped the others play their best. He was a great guy to bounce ideas off, and a great collaborator, esp. w/BD in songwriting. Believe me, it was BD's gtr playing that hooked me on BOC some 26 years ago, as much as the macabre feel of the productions themselves. It always was a band effort, but that effort was seriously hurt with Al's departure, not just for the songs he wrote, but the one he helped everyone else write... > that it without those hits, we might not be talking about BOC at all > in 1998. I know I personally was hooked into them after hearing > Godzilla. Well, BOC was doing pretty well before Reaper, but who knows if they would've gotten as big as they were without it? I've never disputed Buck's writing ability, only the quantity of it. Seems to take him a while to write wheras Al has 3 Albums-plus in the last few years. Al is a prolific songwriter while Buck seems to take his time... > And Harvest Moon, another total Buck-o-Rama, is arguably one of their > best songs since well before Al and Joe left. Couldn't agree more. HM is as good as anything the band's ever done... > Plus, it's done backflips around any Brain Surgeons tunes in terms of > commercial success...although that could also have a lot to do with > BOC having CMC in their corner. Well this is apples and oranges. BOC is on a semi-major label while tBS is an indie act. Personally I prefer HF to any of tBS albums, but that doesn't meant that Al isn't producing quality music. I think tBS' material is a lot more 'out' than BOC, so it's always going to appeal to a nich audience. BOC still has its name recognition and can still call upon Reaper and Burnin' as radio staples to this day to keep it's identity intact. So I believe it's hard to compare Al's post-BOC work with BOC's... > Not to diss Al, who I think is fantastic, both with BOC and without > them, but to suggest that BOC can't play up to past standards anymore > really shortchanges Buck, Eric and Allen. > Sadly, I believe Allen's pretty much along for the ride these days. I think Eric can still deliver the goods, both on stage and in the studio, though, like BD, he was never a prolific songwriter. I wasn't attacking HF in any way, I was just saying that EB and BD aren't the kind of guys who crank out song after song, while Al apparently IS a facile songwriter... ******************************* theo "...Power in the hands of fools..." From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 8 13:14:49 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:14:49 EDT Subject: BOC: Creativity and production In-Reply-To: <444154.3108908516@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > From: Carl Edlund Anderson > > Meanwhile, I hope the relative silence from the tBS camp > means that something very cool, and very big is in the works. > Well, we know that Al and Co. have plenty left to dish out. > tBS have a bunch of albums that prove it. We'll just have to > wait and see if BOC can manage as well. > > Cheers, > Carl > Keep an eye open monday morning! I'm sure that there'll be 3 reviews of Friday's tBS show on view! Anyone know how many sets tBS will be playing? I know Helen Wheels is opening. Wonder if tBS will do two sets? ******************************* theo "...Power in the hands of fools..." From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jul 8 13:35:15 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:35:15 PDT Subject: tBS: Downloads Message-ID: Right, I have had enough. I can't get tBS records in this country and I've been trying for 6 months. Is there anywhere that I can download a listenable Brain Surgeons track?????? I found one somewhere but the quality was abyssmal and I thought I was listening to sludge with banshees. I just want to hear before I start playing with imports and credit cards! Urrrgh. Or does anyone wanna do a trade? Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jul 8 13:40:10 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:40:10 -0400 Subject: BOC: Creativity and production Message-ID: >Let's not discount the creative abilities of the remaing three founders here. I mean, Al's stuff is great, and probably the most highly regarded in the eyes of true BOC fans... The thing about Albert that I think perhaps make us feel he was the real genius in the band is: 1. He was prolific - he'd brind A WHOLE ALBUM's worth of material into the sessions for BOC records. Comparatively, the rest of the band could write songs that were of the quality of some of Albert's, but, it took them longer. So, if Buck brings in say 4 songs, where 2 are really killer, perhaps Albert brought in 8, and maybe 5 were really killer. So, between the two, you've got probably 6 killer tunes, but Albert obviously had more. 2. According to I think Buck (in the Goldmine interview I think), Albert was very good at "fixing" and "finishing" songs - that is, if someone was working on a song and got stuck as to how a certain part should go, Albert often provided the solution. Without such input, there were probably many cool song ideas that went unfinished. The other thing about Albert that we've now seen since tBS was formed, is that he wrote a fair amount of material that was "un-BOC-like", and so some of his material was probably rejected for that reason. I think songs like "Sally", "Soul Jive", and "Hansel & Gretel" are good examples of this. I'm just waiting for him to record "Cities on Flame with Disco" and "She Fell in Love with Ritchie Blackmore's Dildo" with tBS - these are actual songs that Albert demoed at some BOC sessions, according to the fanclub newsletter Morning Final. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jul 8 13:43:43 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:43:43 -0400 Subject: BOC: Creativity and production Message-ID: > Meanwhile, I hope the relative silence from the tBS camp means that something very cool, and very big is in the works. Let's hope so - I suspect a new tBS album later this year that will be as great as all the one's before it. However, I do suspect that some of the relative silence is due to Billy Hilfiger's battle with brain cancer. He posts fairly regularly on AOL and sure sounds optimistic, but I suspect he hasn't been able to play as much as he would like, with his various treatments. I do understand he's looking forward to this weekend's gig in Ithaca tremendously though. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jul 8 13:48:41 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:48:41 -0400 Subject: tBS: Downloads Message-ID: >Right, I have had enough. I can't get tBS records in this country and I've been trying for 6 months. Chris - You can order the CDs direct from the band - and probably cheaper than you'll find in a store. Also, you can listen to RealAudio version of full tBS songs (2 from each of their 4 albums) at my tBS website, The Post-Op (ordering info is there as well). Go directly to http://members.aol.com/tbspostop You need the (free) RealPlayer to hear the tunes, but there's a link to download at the site - the "About the Post-Op" link has all the sound file info. I recommend you check them all out, and then send a check, payable to Cellsum Records, to the address found at my site (on the "on-line catalog" link). John From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Wed Jul 8 13:58:00 1998 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 19:58:00 +0200 Subject: OFF: Swedish help In-Reply-To: <1100445.3108744735@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 20:12 1998-07-06 +0000, you wrote: >On m?n 6 jul 1998 13.14 +0200 "Dan Lindfors" wrote: >> Yes, to call someone worthy a "king" (kung) is in fact probably the >nearest >> to "rules" in swedish. > > Ah--can this kind of usage of "kung" be applied across sexes? >(to women also?) To say, for example, "Deb Frost rules!" in Swedish >would one say "Deb Frost ?r kung!" or "Deb Frost ?r drottning!"? :) > Well, I'm not sure if I've ever heard the expression used for a woman. "Rules" is of course genderneutral. But if would use the expression I surely would use "KUNG". So, allts?: 'Deb Frost ?r "kung" p? scenen'! . >> And a artist or athletic honored with that "title" >> - to be "kung" - could in fact (2) a that moment have at least as much >> power as the swedish kung... > >> Even so, if there is ever an opening, do let them know I >volunteer ;) Heck, I can't be a much worse choice than a French >officer and it must be a more comfortable life than graduate >student :) > Of course, the first step you can do is to look up our Princess Victoria who studies somewhere in the States. She is 21, pretty and will be Queen of Sweden the day Kung Carl Gustaf dies... (You have a suitable name, Carl) Think about it! H?lsningar fr?n Dan (Have you read R?de Orm yet?) From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Wed Jul 8 13:58:02 1998 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 19:58:02 +0200 Subject: BOC: Heaven Forbid In-Reply-To: <199807061835.MAA00383@LAGUNA-01.laguna.com.mx> Message-ID: At 12:35 1998-07-06 -0600, Alex S. Garcia wrote: >Oh yeah, something else... Is it just me, or does anyone else think >"Damaged" really sounds like "D&S" ? I dunno. Just change the "Damaged and I >like it" lyrics to "Dominance and submission" and tell me what you think !!! > Clearly an interesting remark. I find myself agree with you. At least the "Dominance/Damaged" part sounds remarkably alike. And what does this tell us, what does it all mean? Dominance/Damaged - Submission/"And I like it".... Hmm... __ __ / ` _' / ,, |[====|||||||||||[::} Dan Lindfors, lindfors at algonet.se \__.-._\ `` Den b?sta h?mnden ?r att leva v?l! From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jul 8 14:26:42 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:26:42 PDT Subject: tBS: Downloads Message-ID: >Go directly to http://members.aol.com/tbspostop > >I recommend you check them all out, and then send a check, payable to >Cellsum Records, to the address found at my site (on the "on-line >catalog" link). > >John I just have (f**k me - Al's voice _has_ improved! Goodness gracious me) and I will. Thank you very very much, John. HAHA! Nice reprise of _the five guitars_ in the midst of Ciudades Y Navidades!!!!!!!!! BTW, I have just (just!!!!!!!!!! Hah! How long after it was released???) found Heaven Forbid in Virgin. The cover is, as mentioned previously on LA Law, different here in the UK. (Uses Duke Nukem voice)"MMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmMMMMMMMmmmmuch better." Cheers, Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jul 8 17:01:08 1998 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:01:08 PDT Subject: tBS: The Haunt Message-ID: Hi Kids!! Brian Said.... >I'll be there Friday and at the Rochester gig. Don't know about >Elmira or Buffalo... I guess it depends on whether the setlist is >going to change at all (wink wink, nudge nudge.) YEah, I will be there for sure. My friend Rich (former list member) who normally goes with me to tBS gigs is on crutches do to a bad basketball accident. He *might* be going with me (actually, his crutches might be cool for air jamming). I am trying to get my girlfriend (who LOVES loud tuneage but sadly hates all things surgeons) to go also. I know a tBS gig will turn her around on them! But either way I WILL be there. > I talked to Jason "Bolts of Ungodly Vision" Scruton on the phone > yesterday and he'll be there Friday too. We'll see if he can get > Billy to yell "You Rock!" to him again like at the last Haunt gig! Still the highlight of the last Ithaca gig! I NEVER expected Jason to be the wildman he was that night! He ROCKS? Oh yeah....... Later kids. My my, hey hey. Today's my 35th birthday. :^) Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** Torgo at norwich.net DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos *********************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Jul 8 17:23:51 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:23:51 -0700 Subject: BOC: Resequencing/New Material Message-ID: >Don't get me wrong...Heaven Forbid is excellent...Like many on the list I found it better than I expected it to be. But I believe these guys are capable of much, much more, and I (perhaps too optimistically) consider Heaven Forbid a warm-up for a full-fledged career revival complete with more frequent releases and a return to the experimentation that hooked me on BOC in the first place. -- Nick Might be a long wait as they really haven't done anything like what you describe since...well.. Secret Treaties. >I'm not too sure. You gotta remember these are getting to be pretty old guys now. Granted BD looks a good 10 years younger than he is [anyone else notice a similarity bet BD and Michael Douglas--BD being a bit more, eh, cherubic?] but almost 30 years of touring has got to be taking a toll. Also, how many creative ideas is one human brain capable of hatching? Seems like they had trouble coming up with enough material for HF--which I agree is excellent, and better than I would've guessed. Also, it looks like Allen is on cruise control these days, I hate to say. He's almost non-existant on HF... But does age really have that much to do with it? The constant touring may be equally responsible. Rehearsals, sound checks, gigs, travel. Can't see them having much time for songwriting let alone their personal lives with their schedule. And yeah Buck does resemble Mike Douglas sort of. While I agree Allen dosen't appear to be playing much of a role in the studio his guitar work lately has been pretty good. He's playing far less keys and far more guitar. I think this has really helped the live performance. >Anyway, anybody else do some HF rearranging? (and RBN / CN while we're at it?) Nope haven't done HF yet but planning to do a card shuffle on RBN/CN. I am convinced that splicing these two together with a decent order will yeild a real kick ass BOC album. Shooting for a 60 min tape. Any suggestions always welcome. >I always prefer the order from the FAQ, besides making the story more coherent, it has a nice juxtaposition of heavier tunes with lighter tunes. Isn't that the same as the order Al suggests in the liner notes? Provided a friend Imaginos sequenced that way and he loved it, been trying to find a copy ever since, poor guy. Ghost in the Ruins From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jul 8 17:30:28 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:30:28 +0100 Subject: BOC: Resequencing/New Material In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > lives with their schedule. And yeah Buck does resemble Mike Douglas > sort of. But he looks a lot more like Robin Smith (cricketer). - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Jul 8 18:08:21 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:08:21 -0400 Subject: HW: Welcome to False Advertising Message-ID: Eh-Oh... I was perusing through a CD mail order catalog the other day (Collectors' Choice - Hardly!!), and ran across this interesting item. Under the ProgRock section (featuring such artists as Rainbow, Deep Purple, Ambrosia, Uriah Heep, and Black Sabbath!!), we find the following... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^ Boxed Set Blitz!! New Release - Hawkwind: Welcome to the Future We were selling a Hawkwind boxed set a while back when the label slipped into some alternate universe (i.e., went bankrupt) and stopped supplying us! This one's even better, though; it's got the key tracks and it's a whole lot cheaper. Includes the classic Hawkwind albums 'Masters of the Universe' (so classic, there are four versions!!...ed.), 'Bring Me the Head of Yuri Gagarin' and 'Space Ritual Vol. 2', plus a double-live album for a total of 38 tracks! 'Silver Machine'; 'Dreaming'; 'Sonic Attack'; 'Orgone Accumulator'... we have liftoff. Price 4CD $34.95 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ Well, what a load of rubbish. Of course, I know all about this retread item (as we all do), but when is this shit finally going to disappear?? I think this material has been rehashed so many damn times for so long, that I don't think there's *anyone* out there who hasn't caught on yet. That's why it seems like most Hawkwind bins in stores around here have nothing but this crap...multiple copies of each sometimes. Rarely do I see a 'good' Hawkwind disc in a store for very long...but these pieces of garbage continue to come in and collect dust. Alright, let's take a vote anyway...how many people out there think this is a superior boxed set than the Griffin one?? Don't vote unless you think 'yes'...I'm certain that there will be none! And what a steal at $35!!! I've seen this in local stores for less than $25, but of course, I wouldn't pay more than $5 for this. I also remember (don't I?) that these discs are screwed up anyway...I thought that Text of Festival was to be part of this as well (I assume that's the other dbl live album they mention in the advert), but isn't it true that at least some of these sets didn't even have that material, but rather simply two identical sets of tracks (like from SR Vol. 2) or something? Was that corrected or not?? You know, you'd think that distributors and record stores would actually keep those items in stock that actually sell, and so we'd see the better ones continually reappearing again and again. But of course, it's the exact opposite...five years from now, noone will be able to get their hands on a copy of Palace Springs, or 1999 Party, or the 'Remasters of the Universe' (i.e., the first five albums on UA), but surely you'll still have your choice of seventeen different packagings of the 'Acid Daze' or 'Yuri Gagarin' material. No wonder Dave Anderson lives in rural Wales! Keith H. (FAA) P.S. In the Rainbow advert, it says 'Cozy Powell (later of ELP)' If that isn't the stupidest comment ever...of course, I know he was (briefly) in ELPowell, but how many Cozy Powell fans even consider that album to appear as a 'blip on the radar screen of his career', so to speak. Oh wait, I'm sorry....they were trying to make the link to ProgRock in order to justify Rainbow's categorization as such. :) From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Jul 8 17:06:56 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:06:56 -0700 Subject: OFF: A Nit Message-ID: >"[Rudich, Robert A: HW: Orgasmatron Tracks] (3)" > >Newbies may not know but I feel a bit uneasy seeing this one pass back >and forth. I know there was no bad intent here but...well...makes me >feel uncomfortable seeing it. > >??????????????????????????????????????????? >ChrisW Probably not deserving of the bandwidth Chris but Rob Rudich was a bigtime HW/ Allman Bro./Gov't Mule fan list member who died more than a year ago. Fought off lukemia for a while but eventually sucumbed. First internet guy I ever met face to face. Had dinner a couple of times and stayed in touch daily off list. Really great guy. I must be getting old and senitmental but it made me feel really strange seeing his name in a header like that. He actually snuck out of his hospital bed once while undergoing treatment to catch an Allman gig, one of a kind dude. Ghost in the Ruins Ghost in the Ruins From ianfines at JUNO.COM Wed Jul 8 19:22:04 1998 From: ianfines at JUNO.COM (Ian R Fines) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 19:22:04 -0400 Subject: HW: US Tour? Message-ID: i'll be in connecticut if you need any help around there.... On Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:05:03 PDT The Automind writes: >I noticed that the Strange Daze 98 page > http://www.now-online.com/jmfinity/sd98.htm > >Has a new thing at the end saying that Hawkwind is considering playing >a >few other gigs in the US this fall, and are looking for people who are >willing to help line things up. > >Is anyone else on the list from Massachusetts? Walrus?, I'm serious >about trying to get them to play a show in Boston, and it would >increase >the chances if more people offered their assistance. I wrote to Jim >Lascko yesterday and will notify anyone when I get a reply. > > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jul 8 20:59:08 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:59:08 +0000 Subject: OFF: A Nit Message-ID: On ons 8 jul 1998 14.06 -0700 "BREVARD, Adrian R." wrote: > Probably not deserving of the bandwidth Chris but Rob Rudich was a > bigtime HW/ Allman Bro./Gov't Mule fan list member who died more than a > year ago. Fought off lukemia for a while but eventually sucumbed. > First internet guy I ever met face to face. Had dinner a couple of > times and stayed in touch daily off list. Really great guy. I must be > getting old and senitmental but it made me feel really strange seeing > his name in a header like that. He actually snuck out of his hospital > bed once while undergoing treatment to catch an Allman gig, one of a > kind dude. Aye, I still carry the "Hawkwind Backstage Pass" card that he gave me (which he made :) in my wallet. He shan't be forgotten while I live. Nor while my copy of _Malpractice_ escapes the pull of entropy! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From emm14 at COLUMBIA.EDU Wed Jul 8 22:21:30 1998 From: emm14 at COLUMBIA.EDU (Erin Marie Moore) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:21:30 -0400 Subject: off:StriderNews In-Reply-To: <19980708.192208.13382.0.IanFines@juno.com> Message-ID: Greetings: I am a constant lurker of this list, and I publish a newsletter, StriderNews, in which I try to promote the American SpaceRock scene. Our next issue will cater to the Strange Daze festival, and so far we have planned an interview with Dave Brock, some reviews of the SD bands, and a list of essential recordings for the SpaceRock listener--i.e. current recordings, but also foundations and predecessors. This can be anything and anyone that has influenced these artists from 1928-1998. I am asking for contributions and suggestions, both to this list as well as any artwork--drawings of Dave Brock especially (Christian are you listening?). In regards to the essential recordings list, if people want to send me their top ten lists, depending on the volume that I receive, I will either publish them individually, or if many of you overlap, I will do a giant list--top 500 say. Additionally, my offer still stands--this is a free newsletter, and I will happily mail a copy to anyone who gives me their address--or if you prefer, our web site can currently be seen at: http://www.wmc-corp.com/stridernews/ This contains our first three issues (we recently published issue #5) hopefully within a week or two we will move servers and have a new web design!!! Thank you I remain Adam OBCD: Escapade Citrus Cloud Cover From StevenTice at AOL.COM Thu Jul 9 00:02:56 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:02:56 EDT Subject: BOC: Unreleased material Message-ID: In a message dated 98-07-08 08:06:14 EDT, you write: << Do you know any of the names of the songs not used, and who wrote them? I'd find this fascinating... theo >> See if you can get ahold of back issues of Morning Final, or the collection of them all that Bolle has put together...he did a series of articles focusing on the making of each BOC album, including listing and describing all of the songs demoed at each album by each band member...there was quite a wealth of material! Too bad visiting Bolle's Museum of Cult is pretty much the only way we're liable to hear any of it... SET From arjanh at CS.VU.NL Thu Jul 9 03:23:48 1998 From: arjanh at CS.VU.NL (Hulsebos A) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:23:48 +0200 Subject: OFF: ABB, _Fillmore East, 1970_ In-Reply-To: Paul Mather "Re: OFF: ABB, _Fillmore East, 1970_" (Jul 8, 11:41am) Message-ID: On Jul 8, 11:41am, Paul Mather wrote: >Actually, it's a bit harder than that. Two separate performances are >unlikely to be recorded the same, especially if they are recorded years >apart using different equipment. Even something simple like getting the >levels the same across all instruments isn't a given. Suppose the >guitar is way up on performance #2 relative to everything else. If you >don't do something about that in your spliced version, the splice is >going to be pretty obvious. But, that's easy to solve (assuming you >have the original, unmixed tapes). What is harder is the "ambience" >problems imparted by different recording equipment (mics, console, >etc.): splicing a recording made on a 48-track digital recording truck >with something made on a 4-track analogue deck is going to pose more of >a challenge, especially since more of the mixing will already have been >done on the 4-track during recording, due to limited number of channels. >Even the latent noise characteristics of the media used to record on >will be different across different time periods, and must be equalised. >Venue will also make a difference (e.g. inside a piano vs. inside a >studio:). Absolutely. In practise, you'll probably hit a good deal more of these roadblocks. >That's why it's much easier to edit down performances than to do those >gonzo splices that Zappa did. Nicely put. How many people would know he did those things? Maybe if they did, they wouldn't cast him aside as a mere deranged artist. >"Rubber Shirt," IIRC. "Yo Mama" is another cut-up, on the same album. >_Does Humor Belong In Music_ is pretty rampant with the stuff, too. It >gets pretty ambitious (but a bit obvious:) on the _You Can't..._ series, >e.g. making Flo & Eddie play with the 1988 "big band." Which brings us back to the question: when would you call a recording a "live performance"? I don't think that it matters much: even on a live album, you're still not _there_, so you're missing out on a whole lot. Just see it as two related art forms..... Cheers, Arjan H -- Disclaimer? Whaddayamean, disclaimer? This is 1998! Arjan Hulsebos -- arjanh at cs.vu.nl For more info (last updated June 5,1998): finger -l arjanh at top.cs.vu.nl From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jul 9 06:53:41 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 11:53:41 +0100 Subject: OFF: A Nit In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:59:08 +0000 Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > On ons 8 jul 1998 14.06 -0700 "BREVARD, Adrian R." wrote: > > > Probably not deserving of the bandwidth Chris but Rob Rudich was a > > bigtime HW/ Allman Bro./Gov't Mule fan list member who died more than a > > year ago. Fought off lukemia for a while but eventually sucumbed. > > First internet guy I ever met face to face. Had dinner a couple of > > times and stayed in touch daily off list. Really great guy. I must be > > getting old and senitmental but it made me feel really strange seeing > > his name in a header like that. He actually snuck out of his hospital > > bed once while undergoing treatment to catch an Allman gig, one of a > > kind dude. > > Aye, I still carry the "Hawkwind Backstage Pass" card that he > gave me (which he made :) in my wallet. He shan't be forgotten > while I live. Nor while my copy of _Malpractice_ escapes the > pull of entropy! I got into trading with Rudy through Mr Boffo (a cartoon in the Boston Globe) of all things. I'd posted up a wants ad and pretty soon we were trading Hawkwind tapes for Mr.Boffo books. Rudy though actually collected 'em from the Boston Globe to send me too. Great guy. > Carl FoFP From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jul 9 07:01:16 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:01:16 +0100 Subject: Will find UK Cds for US fans... Message-ID: Yep, you guessed it: I've used up my account at Laissez Faire Books again. For those newer to the list, this is a regularly scheduled deal which has the advantages of not involving paying currency transaction fees to banks. What happens is that you tell me what Hawkwind CD's you're looking for and I run around the new and secondhand stores here looking for 'em. You pay the cost plus postage but you can pay it in Dollars to my account with LFB in the United States - hence no currency conversion. Admittedly new CDs are more expensive here in the US but I will look for 'em on sale or secondhand and you can tell me the max price you'll pay. I'll also look for other bands but obviously I won't know 'em as well as I do Hawkwind so you'll need to be pretty specific as to wants. So, if you just can't find that sucker over there then send me an email... Cheers FoFP From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jul 9 07:43:30 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:43:30 EDT Subject: [RTLIST] Muzak In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This from, of all places, the Richard Thompson list, amidst a discussion of songs heard on muzak: > I heard a muzak version of Blue Oyster Cult's "Don't Fear the Reaper" > while shopping one night. I was so startled that the next day I called > Muzak International (I got the number from the supermarket) to make sure > I wasn't hallucinating. I spoke to one of the music programmers who > confirmed that it was indeed BOC. He apparently got his start in > progressive radio (and was quite familiar with WXRT, the only remaining > progressive station in Chicago), but had to join Muzak when regimented > formats took over radio in the early 80's. It seems a lot of big name > artists (or their record companies, or someone) license their tunes to > Muzak, including Santana and the Eagles (though some might say that > certain Eagles tunes aren't that far from Muzak). This was before my > conversion to RT, so I don't know if any of his stuff is licensed. I > hope not. > ******************************* theo "...Power in the hands of fools..." From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jul 9 08:21:29 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. 6L6) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 08:21:29 EDT Subject: tBS: The Haunt In-Reply-To: <19980708210108.26762.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > From: Torgo Sedler > Hi Kids!! > Hey! Who you callin' a kid? > Brian Said.... > > >I'll be there Friday and at the Rochester gig. Don't know about > >Elmira or Buffalo... I guess it depends on whether the setlist is > >going to change at all (wink wink, nudge nudge.) > > YEah, I will be there for sure. My friend Rich (former list member) who > normally goes with me to tBS gigs is on crutches do to a bad basketball > accident. He *might* be going with me (actually, his crutches might be > cool for air jamming). I am trying to get my girlfriend (who LOVES loud > tuneage but sadly hates all things surgeons) to go also. I know a tBS > gig will turn her around on them! > > But either way I WILL be there. > Look foreward to seeing you. Hope to chat a bit more than the BOC gig. I'll be getting there a bit earlier than I was at Showtime. Anyone know what time the action starts? And I think you're right--A live gig will likely change her mind re tBS... > > I talked to Jason "Bolts of Ungodly Vision" Scruton on the phone > > yesterday and he'll be there Friday too. We'll see if he can get > > Billy to yell "You Rock!" to him again like at the last Haunt gig! > > Still the highlight of the last Ithaca gig! I NEVER expected Jason to be > the wildman he was that night! He ROCKS? Oh yeah....... > > Later kids. > > My my, hey hey. Today's my 35th birthday. :^) > Might seem old to you, but believe me, you're still a pup! ******************************* theo "...Power in the hands of fools..." From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Jul 9 09:07:47 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 06:07:47 -0700 Subject: BOC: Creativity and production Message-ID: >Not to diss Al, who I think is fantastic, both with BOC and without them, but to suggest that BOC can't play up to past standards anymore really shortchanges Buck, Eric and Allen. Agreed. But as HF illustrates its time to acknowledge that the standard may have changed. Nothing wrong with that. >Musically, BOC is week in the obvious place: drums. The drumming on the album (and at the Astoria) was fine, and there's no doubt it is technically quite competant. But it doesn't really _stand out_ the way Al's does. OK I guess I see this point. Bobby the round-one is a fine drummer, but Al has a very unique style. I felt then (70's) and now that he would be a better R&B drummer than Rock. IMHO he can play any style while the "committee" BOC has employed over the past several years are best suited for Rock only. >Sadly, I believe Allen's pretty much along for the ride these days. But this really isn't new. Allen has always been the background guy, he simply fits in. BOC has never really done anything that relies heavily on his guitar or keyboard work. Not to say Allen is coasting I think he's just understated. Seems happy to put a little bit of brilliance here and there but mostly just do his job. >However, I do suspect that some of the relative silence is due to Billy Hilfiger's battle with brain cancer. Certainly wish Billy well in this battle. Torgo>Later kids. My my, hey hey. Today's my 35th birthday. :^) Hehehehehehe at the halfway point to official geezerhood Torgo. Should we haze you now or later? Get plenty of rest saturday morning 'cause I want to see your show review first thing monday when I log on. L8er Ghost in the Ruins "Yesterday: USA Today reported that scientists have revealed that beer contains small traces of female hormones. To prove their theory, they fed 100 men 12 pints of lager and observed that 100% of them gained weight, talked incessantly without making sense,and couldn't drive." From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Jul 9 09:13:12 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:13:12 -0400 Subject: Will find UK Cds for US fans... Message-ID: >Yep, you guessed it: I've used up my account at Laissez Faire Books >again. > >For those newer to the list, this is a regularly scheduled deal which >has the advantages of not involving paying currency transaction fees to >banks. > >What happens is that you tell me what Hawkwind CD's you're looking for >and I run around the new and secondhand stores here looking for 'em. You >pay the cost plus postage but you can pay it in Dollars to my account >with LFB in the United States - hence no currency conversion. Admittedly >new CDs are more expensive here in the US but I will look for 'em on >sale or secondhand and you can tell me the max price you'll pay. Okay, this worked well before. Stuff I am looking for now: Quark, Strangeness and Charm (can't believe I've missed it this long) Hawklords - 25 years on PXR5 California Brainstorm Electric Tepee Captured Rotation (Davey) I am willing to pay as much as $20, though of course prefer less... (and if that much, then can't do all at once, say max $60 in one month...) Thanx again... "The ship pulled in without a sound The faithful captain long since cold he kept his log 'till the bloody end... last entry read: "Rats in the hold. My crew is dead, I fear the plague..." - "Nosferatu" by Blue ?yster Cult -AAA From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Jul 9 09:17:12 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:17:12 -0400 Subject: HW: Kadu Message-ID: In 'Kadu Flyer', what is the line after "Do Battle with the elements"? something about Siezing Winds? "The ship pulled in without a sound The faithful captain long since cold he kept his log 'till the bloody end... last entry read: "Rats in the hold. My crew is dead, I fear the plague..." - "Nosferatu" by Blue ?yster Cult -AAA From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jul 9 09:19:49 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:19:49 -0400 Subject: tBS: The Haunt Message-ID: >Torgo has left the building....... Happy birthday, you "old fart"... ;-) John (who will be 35 next January) From arjanh at CS.VU.NL Thu Jul 9 09:21:41 1998 From: arjanh at CS.VU.NL (Hulsebos A) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:21:41 +0200 Subject: HW: Kadu In-Reply-To: "Andrew A. Apold" "HW: Kadu" (Jul 9, 9:17am) Message-ID: On Jul 9, 9:17am, Andrew A. Apold wrote: >In 'Kadu Flyer', >what is the line after > >"Do Battle with the elements"? > >something about Siezing Winds? My route is by the steep ascent Do battle with the elements Reefs of peril, fierce freezing winds Downdraft dangers want to drag me down My straining ailerons the only sound I'm carried by the keening wind, with the dandelions glide Everest, I'll never rest I'll see you a mogul when I'm high From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jul 9 09:24:36 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:24:36 +0100 Subject: HW: Kadu In-Reply-To: Andrew A. Apold's message of Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:17:12 -0400 Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold writes: > In 'Kadu Flyer', > what is the line after > > "Do Battle with the elements"? > > something about Siezing Winds? I've always had trouble deciphering that. My best guess was: Reefs of peril gust freezing winds. FoFP From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Thu Jul 9 09:30:42 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:30:42 -0400 Subject: HW: Kadu Message-ID: AA asks... >In 'Kadu Flyer', >what is the line after > >"Do Battle with the elements"? > >something about Siezing Winds? I remember it as... 'Fierce Freezing Winds' but then that could be wrong...is there still a lyric site, or is that hidden now (due to copyright complaints)? Keith H. (FAA) From artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM Thu Jul 9 10:01:15 1998 From: artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM (Gary Davis) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:01:15 -0400 Subject: tBS: Downloads In-Reply-To: <199807090900.FAA04882@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: At 05:00 AM 7/9/98 -0400, Chris wrote: >Right, I have had enough. I can't get tBS records in this country and >I've been trying for 6 months. >Is there anywhere that I can download a listenable Brain Surgeons >track?????? I found one somewhere but the quality was abyssmal and I >thought I was listening to sludge with banshees. > >I just want to hear before I start playing with imports and credit >cards! You can also check out the Brain Surgeons/Cellsum Records page in The Artist Shop. We deal directly with Al & Co. and have RealAudio soundbites up. You'll find our Cellsum page at . We also have the video of the Buck Dharma benefit gig at . Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop.com phone: 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm From christmu at EUNET.NO Thu Jul 9 12:26:00 1998 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu at EUNET.NO) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:26:00 +0200 Subject: HW: Doug's secret career Message-ID: http://www.arogos.com/music/ yet another candidate for the composite Hawkwind band! Christian ObCDR: Hawkwind - Atomhenge 76, which is great! Excellent sound, and a Hawkwind that treads dangerously close to disco! I actually really dig this, very funky :-) Though who knows if this is what will become the official Live 76 album? As for the cover pic, its rather unappealing. Must be the same guy who designed DH (give a (funky) monkey Photoshop and the first thing he'll do is press "emboss"... ARGH!! :-) I'd much rather have had a straight pic of the Atomhenge set, this is like staring into a bowl of rancid oatmeal on bad mushrooms. From kg at THING.DE Thu Jul 9 12:31:13 1998 From: kg at THING.DE (stalker) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:31:13 +0200 Subject: CALVERT: Huw Lloyd Langton Message-ID: HLL added a new text to his page on Mr. Calvert - this has just been added at: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/calon.htm auf wiedersenden From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jul 9 14:17:37 1998 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:17:37 GMT Subject: CALVERT: Huw Lloyd Langton In-Reply-To: <35A4F051.5591BE9F@thing.de> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Jul 1998 18:31:13 +0200, you sent through the ether: >HLL added a new text to his page on Mr. Calvert >- this has just been added at: Would love to have read it Knut, but that frame in the middle of the page doesn`t wrap text so you can only see the first half of every line.. makes it un readable.. Netscape 3 & 4 .. both the same. S. From eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK Thu Jul 9 22:20:14 1998 From: eldritch at NDIRECT.CO.UK (eldritch) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 19:20:14 -0700 Subject: OFF:Silver Apples! Message-ID: I caught some tv music show the other night, it mentioned that BLUR are doing a collaboration with the band SILVER APPLES. I remember Dave Brock mentioning he was a fan(in an old festival eye interview), and that all they used were audio generators. I know the albums have just been reissued on CD, has anybody heard them? What are they like? I wonder if the next BLUR lp will be spacerock ;-) Rich -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mlooney at IONET.NET Thu Jul 9 14:35:34 1998 From: mlooney at IONET.NET (Mike Looney - ionet) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 13:35:34 -0500 Subject: BOC: DFTR re-mix Message-ID: Who is Apollo Four Fourty? And when did they do the "Dance" version of DFTR? This showed up in my shop as a mp3 file this week and I, for one, am appalled.... Can some one that is a little more in touch with the dance music sceane get back to me on this.... Side Note: I will be at the Aug 13 BOC show in Wichita KS at In Cahoots. Is anybody else planing on making it? -- Sillyness is the last refuse of the doomed. P. Opus http://www.spellbooksoftware.com -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GAT d-- s:- a38 US++ P+ L+ E W+++ N++ K++ w++ O- M- V-- PS+ PE++ Y PGP t++ 5 X R+++ tv+ b++++ DI+++ D G+ e+ h--- r+++ y+++(**) ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jul 9 14:44:31 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 19:44:31 +0100 Subject: DFTR re-mix In-Reply-To: <35A50D75.BEE53DA9@ionet.net> Message-ID: > Who is Apollo Four Fourty? > > And when did they do the "Dance" version of DFTR? Ages ago. > > This showed up in my shop as a mp3 file this week and I, for one, am > appalled.... > Sacrilege, eh? You'd really hate their version of "Raw Power". - Andy ObCD: Beastie Boys - _Hello Nasty_ mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Thu Jul 9 14:53:03 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:53:03 -0400 Subject: BOC: DFTR re-mix Message-ID: Mike Looney said: >Who is Apollo Four Fourty? > >And when did they do the "Dance" version of DFTR? > >This showed up in my shop as a mp3 file this week and I, for one, am >appalled.... I like it, actually. It would be better if the vocals were a little smoother, but I enjoy it when bands don't cover a song exactly (or even close :) I don't know much about Apollo 440 except that they used the riff from Van Halen's version of "Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love" in a song called "Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Dub", and a famous Gene Krupa drum rhythm in the song "Krupa." They also had a hit which didn't rip off anyone (as far as I know) called "Liquid Cool." Brian obCOVER> "Hassan I Sahba" The Brain Surgeons From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Jul 9 16:40:14 1998 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:40:14 EDT Subject: OFF:Silver Apples! Message-ID: I saw Silver Apples open for Helios Creed last month in NYC. Well worth seeing. I would describe the show as 'Space Pop'. regards, Bill Stewart From nexus at PANIX.COM Thu Jul 9 16:44:10 1998 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:44:10 -0400 Subject: OFF:Silver Apples! In-Reply-To: <35A57A5E.CF342C4D@ndirect.co.uk> from "eldritch" at Jul 9, 98 07:20:14 pm Message-ID: >I caught some tv music show the other night, it mentioned that BLUR are >doing a collaboration with the band SILVER APPLES. I remember Dave Brock >mentioning he was a fan(in an old festival eye interview), and that all >they used >were audio generators. I know the albums have just been reissued on CD, >has anybody heard them? What are they like? I've heard them; they were pretty cool. Cool enough to go on my "buy them used" list. They use audio generators, drums and vox. As an added bonus you get diagrams of both the drumkit and the audio gen. layout. It's got a repetitive type of drone to it, but with enough variation to be interesting. Blanga potential is medium to good. JB From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Thu Jul 9 16:59:16 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David G) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 21:59:16 +0100 Subject: OFF:Silver Apples! Message-ID: Bill Stewart wrote: > I saw Silver Apples open for Helios Creed last month in NYC. Well worth > seeing. I would describe the show as 'Space Pop'. > > regards, > Bill Stewart They played in the UK last week, pretty good, even when they did a Blur cover! Dave From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Thu Jul 9 21:02:47 1998 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 01:02:47 +0000 Subject: BOC: DFTR re-mix In-Reply-To: <329A5258416CD111928F006008A62C763530B4@bpxsv.156.106.206.in-addr.arpa> Message-ID: On 9 Jul 98 at 14:53, brian halligan wrote: > Mike Looney said: > > >Who is Apollo Four Fourty? > > > >And when did they do the "Dance" version of DFTR? > > > >This showed up in my shop as a mp3 file this week and I, for one, am > >appalled.... > > I like it, actually. It would be better if the vocals were a little > smoother, but I enjoy it when bands don't cover a song exactly (or > even close :) > > I don't know much about Apollo 440 except that they used the riff > from Van Halen's version of "Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love" in a song > called "Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Dub", and a famous Gene Krupa drum > rhythm in the song "Krupa." They also had a hit which didn't rip > off anyone (as far as I know) called "Liquid Cool." > > Brian > obCOVER> "Hassan I Sahba" The Brain Surgeons > Also a more "hardcore" era tune ie approx 1991/2 "Blackout" - and Lolita/Destiny from 1992. Their more recent stuff sounds kinda weak to me - they definitely have their own ideas about how to do things, different from the mainstream. Early singles magnificent, at the time - Liquid Cool really is excellent, as is Krupa and the aforementioned Ain't Talkin' About Dub - Rumble is OK, but the albums are like one of a kind i dunno naff biker techno or something. Alasdair -- Page me online: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 Send me E-mail Express direct to my screen: 1573250 at pager.mirabilis.com alimac at netcomuk.co.uk (Alasdair Macdonald) From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Jul 9 21:50:48 1998 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 21:50:48 -0400 Subject: tBS: The Haunt (was RE: BOC: comeback) Message-ID: Theo wrote: >I think the Roch. gig is a Thurs., which probably will make me a >scratch. Buffalo's too far away. Elmira looks good--hey my buddy >did some time there! Rochester is a Saturday. Elmira may be a Thursday but it's still up in the air. Al From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Jul 10 04:48:56 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:48:56 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control goes East Message-ID: Could someone please tell the Mission Control Web page to change their Font out of Cyrillic into something readable? I think the Stop Press announcement says that they are *not* playing somewhere or another due to reasons beyond their control but as it stands at the moment it's completely indecipherable. ta jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Fri Jul 10 05:09:26 1998 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:09:26 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control goes East Message-ID: I think I can decopher the code :- Hawkwind will not be playing in Belgium on 10th July or France on 11th July as of today Thursday 9th July. The Band have not recieved a contract from either festival. We apologise to all our fans, but unfortunatly the matter has been out of our control. Watch this space for news of further gigs. Cheers, Neil. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Jul 10 05:14:19 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:14:19 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control goes East In-Reply-To: <199807100848.JAA19763@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Worked OK for me... what it says is: STOP PRESS Hawkwind will not be playing in Belgium on 10th July or France on 11th July as of today Thursday 9th July. The Band have not received a contract from either festival. We apologise to all of our fans, but unfortunately the matter has been out of our control. Watch this space for news of further gigs. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of J Strobridge > Sent: 10 July 1998 09:49 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: HW: Mission Control goes East > > > Could someone please tell the Mission Control Web page to change their > Font out of Cyrillic into something readable? > > I think the Stop Press announcement says that they are *not* playing > somewhere or another due to reasons beyond their control but as it > stands at the moment it's completely indecipherable. > > ta > > jill > > ================================================================== > ========= > J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------- > From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Jul 10 08:30:58 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:30:58 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control goes East In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:14:19 +0100 Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > Worked OK for me... Ah - it must be 'cos I'm still working with Netscape 0.00002 This may change - one day > what it says is: > > STOP PRESS > > Hawkwind will not be playing in Belgium on 10th July or France on 11th July > as of today Thursday 9th July. The Band have not received a contract from > either festival. We apologise to all of our fans, but unfortunately the > matter has been out of our control. Watch this space for news of further > gigs. Not so good 8-( jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG Fri Jul 10 11:20:15 1998 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHNOLINK.ORG (Olivier Boigey) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:20:15 +0200 Subject: HW: Mission Control goes East In-Reply-To: <199807101230.NAA14393@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: on 10/07/98, Jill wrote: BDL> > STOP PRESS BDL> > BDL> > Hawkwind will not be playing in Belgium on 10th July or France BDL> on 11th July > as of today Thursday 9th July. The Band have not BDL> received a contract from > either festival. We apologise to all BDL> of our fans, but unfortunately the > matter has been out of our BDL> control. Watch this space for news of further > gigs. BDL> BDL> BDL> Not so good 8-( BDL> BDL> jill Last news from the festival team in Gamaches: HW and Tribe of Cro are expected to play tonight at Dour (Belgium)!!! and tomorrow at Gamaches. Concerning this gig, the contract has been sent last week, but, due to too many *intermediaries* and bad com, I am still doubting, will they come or disappear in the belgian foggy night ? Olivier --------------------------------------- Olivier Boigey 6 rue Pasquier - 92300 Levallois Perret - FRANCE TEL/FAX: 33 1 41 05 08 50 e-mail: olivier_boigey at technolink.org http://www.altern.org/obwaje/hmpg.htm --------------------------------------- - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Fri Jul 10 11:35:27 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:35:27 +0100 Subject: HW: Mission Control goes East In-Reply-To: Olivier Boigey's message of Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:20:15 +0200 Message-ID: Olivier Boigey writes: > Last news from the festival team in Gamaches: > HW and Tribe of Cro are expected to play tonight at Dour (Belgium)!!! > and tomorrow at Gamaches. > Concerning this gig, the contract has been sent last week, but, due to too many > *intermediaries* and bad com, I am still doubting, will they come or disappear > in the belgian foggy night ? > > Olivier It certainly doesn't sound hopeful. Also the weather forecast for Northern Europe was rather horrible last time I looked so...... Anyhow, hope you get to see something worthwile! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jul 10 13:08:24 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:08:24 +0000 Subject: OFF: Swedish help Message-ID: On ons 8 jul 1998 19.58 +0200 "Dan Lindfors" wrote: >> Even so, if there is ever an opening, do let them know I >>volunteer ;) Heck, I can't be a much worse choice than a French >>officer and it must be a more comfortable life than graduate >>student :) > > Of course, the first step you can do is to look up our Princess Victoria > who studies somewhere in the States. She is 21, pretty and will be Queen of > Sweden the day Kung Carl Gustaf dies... (You have a suitable name, Carl) > Think about it! I think that would get me into serious trouble with Tania ... ;) Otherwise, it is a fine idea. Royal Command Performance for BOC and Hawkwind (and, hmm, darXtar, the Spiritual Beggars, and a few other "Swedish Invasion" bands), of course :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From kg at THING.DE Fri Jul 10 14:47:22 1998 From: kg at THING.DE (stalker) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:47:22 +0200 Subject: CALVERT: Huw Lloyd Langton Message-ID: steve pond wrote: Would love to have read it Knut, but that frame in the middle of the page doesn`t wrap text so you can only see the first half of every line.. makes it un readable.. Netscape 3 & 4 .. both the same. hello steve, thanks for the hint - it was a problem of different resolutions - it looked ok with 800 x 600 pixels - anyway, I fixed it and its readable now with every resolution best, knut From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jul 10 16:53:15 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:53:15 +0000 Subject: HW: Captured Rotation Message-ID: Just got this album after hearing Anna's (I know you're lurking out here!) copy, and continue to be pretty impressed by it! One of the best HW discs of the decade! Or would be, if it had Hawkwind's name on it ;) It has some dodgy patches, but overall it's *damn* cool. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Jul 10 16:18:37 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 13:18:37 -0700 Subject: OFF: tBS Birthday Bash Message-ID: >Torgo>Later kids. My my, hey hey. Today's my 35th birthday. :^) Hey Al can you and the Surgeons do a happy birthday dedication for this raving fan-boy. I have it on good advice that he will be there friday night even if he has to ride his mountain bike to the gig. :-) >Happy birthday, you "old fart"... ;-) >John (who will be 35 next January) Whats this? Yet another pup who's near the halfway point to official geezerhood. I'm saving this one for your hazing, Jan 99. >Might seem old to you, but believe me, you're still a pup! Ah cut 'em some slack Theo, they have no idea of how good life becomes when you go 4-oh and beyond. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Probably not deserving of the bandwidth Chris but Rob Rudich was a Egad what a faux paux! No one's jumped on me yet (probably my long history of being the village idiot) but I didn't mean this to say Rudich wasn't worth the bandwidth, rather my feeling strange seeing his name in a header wasn't. L8er Ghost in the Ruins OBCD - King's X (self titled) From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jul 10 16:59:56 1998 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:59:56 GMT Subject: CALVERT: Huw Lloyd Langton In-Reply-To: <35A661BA.B90F4B83@thing.de> Message-ID: Thanks Knut! I`ll go re-read it now.. I run at 1024x768 here i`m used to web pages looking odd.. :) -Steve On Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:47:22 +0200, you sent through the ether: >hello steve, >thanks for the hint - it was a problem of different resolutions - it >looked ok >with 800 x 600 pixels - anyway, I fixed it and its readable now with >every resolution >best, >knut From gumby at TELIS.ORG Fri Jul 10 18:21:28 1998 From: gumby at TELIS.ORG (gumby.telis) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 15:21:28 -0700 Subject: OFF: Tape Swap Review Message-ID: This is the Gumby Man checking in for his quarterly post. Just wanted to send out kudos to Doug Bates. His "stream of consciousness" tape was bizarre and fantastic. I'm having trouble listening to anything else right now. The tape flows chronologically from the Sixties to the Nineties. It makes great usage of the fantasy and ambiance of the late 60's and early 70's, while including the oddness and fierceness of the 80' and 90's rock. Highlights include: Ultimate Spinach playing "Hip Death Goddess," Arthur Brown's "Time Captives," Roky Erickson's "Stand for the Fire Demon," The Guess Who's "Friends of Mine", Bauhaus' "Bela Lugosi's Dead," and The Rollins Band slamming it in the listener's ears with "Ghostrider." There's much more on the tape (the full list is below). It is a damn good mix of music; Doug did an outstanding job of choosing songs that flowed together well. The Gumby Man gives it two green thumbs up! Stuart, the tape is on its way to you. Be careful. It's a musical narcotic. Complete List of Tracks on Doug's tape: 1 Dirty Filthy Mud - The Forest of Black Ultimate Spinach - Hip Death Goddess Arthur Brown - Time Captives Roky Erickson - Stand for the Fire Demon Terry Brooks & Strange - Ruler of the Universe The Guess Who - Friends of Mine T. Rex - Ballrooms of Mars 2 Black Sabbath - Stonehenge Bauhaus - Bela Lugosi Dead Marilyn Manson - Diary of a Dope Fiend Rollins Band - Ghostrider The Incredible Expanding Mind Fuck - The gospel according to the I.E.M. Sabalon Glitz - Hammer of the Witches Dead Flowers - Altered State Circus Sun Dial - Slow Motion F/i - Full Meddle Eddie Thomas Nelson is the Gumby Man/Spooky Mizu Productions gumby at telis.org The wolf he howls, howls up at the moon; some day coming - some day soon . . . Onto his shoulder, to carry me home; flying up through the silhouette trees and we'll be gone . . . New Model Army _Wonderful Way to Go_ From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Jul 10 20:16:37 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:16:37 -0400 Subject: BOC: MP3 audio files available Message-ID: With the recent talk of making MPEG layer 3 audio files of bootlegs available, I decided to give it a try! My first sample is the two 1972 live tracks they left off the _Workshop of the Telescopes_ "best of" set, namely "Buck's Boogie" and "Cities On Flame." I extracted these two tracks from the bootleg CD I have entitled _Live in New York, 1972_. (I think the tracks on this CD are collectively known as _The Elektra EP_, since they were a demo of the band for that label, recorded live. Check the FAQ for details.) I encoded the resultant data using l3enc v200 with a 128 Kbit/s bitrate. You can access the layer 3 MPEG files via anonymous ftp on gromit.dlib.vt.edu, in directory /pub/boc-l (ftp://gromit.dlib.vt.edu/pub/boc-l/). They are "bucks_boogie.l3-128k" (4879 KB) and "cities_on_flame.l3-128k" (4373 KB). (This is roughly a 10:1 saving over the original, uncompressed audio.) The CD these were taken from sounds like it was mastered from vinyl, since you can occasionally hear clicks and pops on the CD. The fidelity is not exactly very high, but the energy is good in the performance. I've not done any postprocessing: just encoded what came off the CD. It does sound pretty good compared with the original. If anyone knows of any better MPEG audio encoders than l3enc that run under Unix, please let me know. I tried the 8hz-mp3 and Bladeenc encoders, but these left unpleasant "ringing" artifacts in the MP3 file (though less noticeable when the bitrate exceeded 128 Kbit/s). I also tried the Fraunhofer V3 MP3 encoder, but, although giving excellent results, will only encode the first 30 seconds with the demo version. Pointers to MPEG audio encoders for Digital Unix 4.0 are especially welcome!! BTW, please do not link WWW pages to this ftp site, since I don't want to invite the attention of the RIAA and other non-BOC-L folks who might be trolling via search engines. You are welcome to copy the files and put copies on your own sites, however. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Hawkwind, _The 1999 Party_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Sat Jul 11 10:37:44 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 10:37:44 -0400 Subject: BOC: MP3 audio files available Message-ID: >With the recent talk of making MPEG layer 3 audio files of bootlegs available, I decided to give it a try! My first sample is the two 1972 live tracks they left off the _Workshop of the Telescopes_ "best of" set, namely "Buck's Boogie" and "Cities On Flame." Just for the record, the version of "Buck's Boogie" DOES appear on Workshop of the Telescopes - however, the confusion may be that the liner notes say that the version of BB is from "The Guitars That Destroyed the World" -- but it is the same recording. John PS: Will be away from e-mail for a few days, but will be anxious to check any reviews of tBS in Ithaca on my return! From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sat Jul 11 12:35:29 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:35:29 -0400 Subject: BOC: MP3 audio files available In-Reply-To: <199807111437.KAA11443@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 11 Jul 1998, John A Swartz wrote: > >With the recent talk of making MPEG layer 3 audio files of bootlegs > available, I decided to give it a try! My first sample is the two 1972 > live tracks they left off the _Workshop of the Telescopes_ "best of" > set, namely "Buck's Boogie" and "Cities On Flame." > > Just for the record, the version of "Buck's Boogie" DOES appear on > Workshop of the Telescopes - however, the confusion may be that the > liner notes say that the version of BB is from "The Guitars That > Destroyed the World" -- but it is the same recording. Well, I don't have _Workshop of the Telescopes_, so I didn't realise that. Thanks for setting the record straight. Maybe I should remove "Buck's Boogie," then? Cheers, Paul. obCD: Fleetwood Mac, _English Rose_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From Nebosuke at AOL.COM Sat Jul 11 13:15:46 1998 From: Nebosuke at AOL.COM (Chris Baker) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 13:15:46 EDT Subject: BOC: MP3 audio files available Message-ID: Paul wrote: > I think the tracks on this CD are collectively known as _The Elektra EP_, since they were a demo of the band for that label, recorded live. Check the FAQ for details. Haven't checked what the FAQ says on this - although I see John already checked in with the correction about BB's inclusion on "Workshop" - but actually these songs were recorded in April '72 in Rochester and four of them released as a radio-only promo by Columbia. The first (Columbia) LP had been released in January, so Elektra was way in the past by this point. -Chris Baker From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sat Jul 11 13:37:40 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 13:37:40 -0400 Subject: BOC: MP3 audio files available In-Reply-To: <8ceeb045.35a79dc3@aol.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 11 Jul 1998, Chris Baker wrote: > > I think the tracks on this CD are collectively known as _The Elektra EP_, > since they were a demo of the band for that label, recorded live. Check the > FAQ for details. > > Haven't checked what the FAQ says on this - although I see John already > checked in with the correction about BB's inclusion on "Workshop" - but > actually these songs were recorded in April '72 in Rochester and four of them > released as a radio-only promo by Columbia. The first (Columbia) LP had been > released in January, so Elektra was way in the past by this point. I guess that's what I get for posting without consulting the fact. Elektra/Columbia... whatever. The point I was failing to put across is that these tracks have been bootlegged under a zillion names, but collectively, they're those live tracks that were recorded for some record company. :-) (I should've quit whilst I was ahead in simply stating the name of the bootleg I took them from.;) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Fleetwood Mac, _English Rose_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From christmu at EUNET.NO Sun Jul 12 02:51:02 1998 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu at EUNET.NO) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 08:51:02 +0200 Subject: OFF: Matt Howarth and Ash Ra Tempel Message-ID: http://www.ashra.com/offers/comic.htm groovy! C. ObCD: no From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Jul 12 11:17:45 1998 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 08:17:45 PDT Subject: tBS: Live 7/10/98 Message-ID: THE BRAIN SURGEONS - LIVE - 7/10/98 Sometimes I am the luckiest kid in the world. I have spent more years than not on this planet an intensely passionate fan of BLUE OYSTER CULT. They provided most of the background music to the events of my life as they unfolded. So when Albert Bouchard formed THE BRAIN SURGEONS it felt almost as if this force that keeps my musical soul going from day to day had split like an important stock and doubled itself for its investors. So what better way was there to celebrate my 35th birthday than by seeing BLUE OYSTER CULT play live a week before, and THE BRAIN SURGEONS play a few days after. Like I said, sometimes I am the luckiest kid in the world. I arrived at THE HAUNT in Ithaca, NY a few hours before the bands really started slapping it around, and was treated to the sounds of the Surgeons (minus guitarist Billy Hilfiger) warming up the equipment and their muscles. Standing there at point blank range listening to them play in a bar that was (not to sound pessimistic) more empty than full, I started feeling like I was being treated to a private gig by one of my favorite bands, something every kid often dreams of. The Surgeons sounded scrubbed, prepped and ready to start slicing, although there was a blatant hole in the sound where Billy Hilfiger's guitar normally would be, and I knew that at full complement they were going to be on fire once again. 10 Pm saw STATIC CLING take the stage and start things off nicely. STATIC CLING is basically Helen Wheels's band... without Helen. They played an impressive set and were then joined by Helen, who jammed through several of the songs that appeared on her new "Archetype" CD that was being released that night. Helen, a pumped up Mighty Mouse of a presence on stage, set the mood right for what was to follow. With all five of THE BRAIN SURGEONS in the house, they took the stage and slammed their way through a set that was full of nice surprises. The sound was loud, crisp, and clear with plenty of space between each instrument's sound. Guitarist Billy Hilfiger exploded onto the stage wearing a bizarre looking object over his head, which he later explained was what "they use to hold down your head when you don't want it held down". Looking much like a High Priest from a cult that worships the Nerf basketball hoop, it showed the humorous side of this band that always seems to be having a good time playing for us. When a band has fun, the audience has fun, and the Brain Surgeons were having BIG fun. The set list, jam-packed with unexpected songs, went roughly like so: Name Your Monster Stairway to the Stars My Civilization The Revenge of Vera Gemini Date with a Guitar St. Vitus Dance The Red and the Black Needle Gun I am the One You Warned Me Of Dominance and Submission Niagara Falls Tattoo Vampire Cities on Flame I Play the Drums Many BOC/Surgeons fanatics reading this are probably already as surprised by some of these songs as I was when they core-drilled my head with them at the show. Before launching into "Stairway to the Stars", Albert introduced the song as one of the very first he ever wrote with BOC, which had a special place in his heart. I myself would never have chosen the song as something I thought I might like to hear The Brain Surgeons do, but they did a phenomenal version of it, possibly one of the best versions of it I have ever heard. The highlight of the show for me was the inclusion of "The Revenge of Vera Gemini". This song, which for a long time now has had to carry the responsibility of being my absolute favorite Blue Oyster Cult song, is one that Brain Surgeons fans have been begging the band to play for a long time. Like the eerie meshing of the voices of Albert Bouchard and Patti Smith on the BOC version, Albert and vocalist Deb Frost sounded, as always, perfect together. Being new to the Surgeons set list, there were of course some minor confusion in the lyrics. This only seemed to heighten the sense of merriment that the Brain Surgeons have while jamming on-stage. In fact, during the thunderous rumblings of "Needle Gun", Deb screwed up a verse so bad that she held out the microphone to a fellow Brain Surgeons fanatic named Jason and suggested that he "probably knew the words alot better than her". A cheer went through the crowd as Jason, without hesitation I might add, grabbed the mic and started singing. This kind of one on one with the people that love their music, both on-stage and off, is what makes the Brain Surgeons such a class act to see live. During "The Red and the Black", another song that I never expected The Brain Surgeons to have a go at, Albert vaulted from his drummer's perch and grabbed a guitar, joining his bandmates up front. For years BOC had entertained it's fans with it's trademark "5 guitars", and like "The Revenge of Vera Gemini", it was something the Brain Surgeons fans had always wanted to see their band do. Five guitarists lined up on a stage and just wailing away is truly spectacular to behold, and a unique sound altogether. Not thinking the show could get any better than that, I was somewhat awestruck when Albert Bouchard made his way down off the stage with his guitar and tucked into a tight ball of energy and worked it for all it was worth... a mere 10 inches away from me! The floor was pretty opened up and most of the people in the bar were hanging back, so here I was standing center ring in the Surgeon's three ring circus of wonders, watching a guy whose albums I would save up pennies to buy as a kid play guitar like he was possessed by the spirit of Hendrix! The hair stands up on my neck when I think of it now. Whoops, there they go again. It was towards the end of the set that Helen Wheels returned to the stage to jam with The Brain Surgeons. Helen and Deb seemed to really have a good time together and Helen fit nicely in the Surgeons lineup. Starting off with a song called "Niagara Falls" off her newly released CD, it was a treat to my then throbbing head to hear them slide into the Helen Wheels written BOC classic "Tattoo Vampire". Starting off with it's unique "waka waka waka" guitar that every BOC fan knows so well, Helen jammed and strutted and showed off her own tattoos (and biceps) through a howling rendition of this intense song. It was the end of the set and the end of the night and the crowd didn't want to see the Surgeons leave yet. As tired and soaked as they were in the overly warm atmosphere, they asked the crowd what they wanted to hear. Several voices rose up (including my own) and called out "I Play the Drums", knowing that what would follow would be more than just a quick tune and a hasty departure. Albert's trademark "drum solo' song snapped and crashed as he did what only he can do on a small drum kit. I guess you could say that the entire world is Albert's drum kit, as he soon leaped from his seat once again and played nearly every "smackable" surface in the bar. At one point he even disappeared out the door only to come back in and towards the stage with his guns a-blazing. A Brain Surgeons gig is something that no human being with any sense of what is fun and what is lame can not help but have a good time at. They amaze musically, they entertain happily, and they always give 100% of themselves, never holding anything back. This was the third Brain Surgeons show for me, and one that had it's own unique flavor and feel. There were times when I swore that they were doing it all just for me and me alone. Like I said, sometimes I am the luckiest kid in the world. Robert "Torgo" Sedler Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** Torgo at norwich.net DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos *********************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Sun Jul 12 11:48:28 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:48:28 -0400 Subject: OFF: Ash Ra Tempel reissues Message-ID: I just noticed on CDNow that Cleopatra are releasing some of the Ash Ra Tempel back catalogue on CD. Better yet, these are 2-on-1 releases! Listed so far is _Schwingungen/Seven Up_ and _Join Inn/Starring Rosi_, list price $17, CDNow price $13. I presume these are actually coming out under Cleapatra's Purple Pyramid imprint, who've already released the _Best of the Private Tapes_ 2CD set. (Btw, anyone heard that one??) Purple Pyramid is turning out to be a nice little label... Cheers, Paul. obCD: John Mayall, _London Blues: 1964--1969_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Mon Jul 13 06:34:26 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 06:34:26 -0400 Subject: tBS: The Haunt (was RE: BOC: comeback) Message-ID: Any plans on playing Boston (or there abouts)? Mama Kin's? > ---------- > From: Albert T Bouchard[SMTP:ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM] > Reply To: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > Sent: Thursday, July 09, 1998 9:50 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: tBS: The Haunt (was RE: BOC: comeback) > > Theo wrote: > > >I think the Roch. gig is a Thurs., which probably will make me a > >scratch. Buffalo's too far away. Elmira looks good--hey my buddy > >did some time there! > > Rochester is a Saturday. Elmira may be a Thursday but it's still up in the > air. > Al > From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Jul 13 06:52:57 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 03:52:57 PDT Subject: OFF: Hello Nasty. Message-ID: > >- Andy > >ObCD: Beastie Boys - _Hello Nasty_ > Hey Andy - what's it like?? I'm just back from the festival in Galway and the Beasties were their usual block-rockin' selves. The new stuff sounded a little more minimal than the _Ill Communication_ material, plus more groovy instrumentals - nice? What's your opinion?? Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Jul 13 07:17:02 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 04:17:02 PDT Subject: BOC: MP3 audio files available Message-ID: >>Paul wrote: >> >> I think the tracks on this CD are collectively known as _The >>Elektra EP_, since they were a demo of the band for that label, >>recorded live. Check the FAQ for details. >Chris wrote: > >Haven't checked what the FAQ says on this - although I see John already >checked in with the correction about BB's inclusion on "Workshop" - but >actually these songs were recorded in April '72 in Rochester and four of them >released as a radio-only promo by Columbia. The first (Columbia) LP had been >released in January, so Elektra was way in the past by this point. > This implies that there were more live tracks recorded in Rochester which remain unreleased....Are these in Bolle's BOC museum also, or is there a bootleg extant with these tracks available? Chris-HW ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Mon Jul 13 07:39:55 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:39:55 +0100 Subject: OFF: Hello Nasty. In-Reply-To: <19980713105257.2414.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > >ObCD: Beastie Boys - _Hello Nasty_ > > > > Hey Andy - what's it like?? I like it - nice mix of old-school hip-hop (love the single, "Intergalactic" - "I'll stir-fry you in my wok.../Like a pinch on the neck from Mister Spock"), plus some super-mellow interludes, including a superb dub-rap from Lee "Scratch" Perry. Not a bit like "Aglio E Olio" - they seem to have got the punk-rock thing out of their system with that, and more old-school then _Ill Communication_. Not my favourite B-Boys album - that's _Paul's Boutique_, which still sounds fresh - but it's nice, yes. I missed them at the Academy a couple of weeks ago, sold out too fast, but I did catch them with Run-DMC ten years ago :) - Andy ObCD: Sonic's Rendezvous - _Sweet Nothing_ mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Mon Jul 13 10:55:54 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:55:54 -0400 Subject: tBS: Live 7/10/98 Message-ID: I second Torgo's review ;-) I'd also like to mention that whether due to the soundman, or through practice, the Surgeons vocal harmonies have never sounded better live. I'm definately looking forward to hearing some tunes from the new CD later this summer! So Torgo, how did the show rate with the Surgeons hater in the audience? :-) Also, what do you think of the _Peter Bohovesky_ and _Archetype_ CDs? I enjoyed listening to Archetype on my way home from the show. It wasn't as heavy as "Helen Wheels and her Skeleton Crew" were on stage, but it rocked out plenty. Helen's version of Tattoo Vampire is terrific. A little more "happy" sounding than the AOF version, but with plenty of otherworldly panache. Some unmistakable backing vocals from Peter too. Some of my other favorites are "Survival" - a "totally '80s" tune that makes you want to get up and dance, "Carry My Own Weight" - a pounding hard rock anthem, "Room to Rage" - a screaming, post-punk cardiovascular workout, and "Niagra Falls" - great songwriting with backing by the Surgeons. I guess the band won't be opening for the Surgeons on the other tourdates this summer, but Helen said after the show that they're trying to get a gig at the Penny Arcade in Rochester. The PA is known for bringing in some of the heaviest bands out there, so HW and the SC should fit right in. Brian OB music at work today> Helen Wheels- "Archetype" tBS- "Box of Hammers" Quarkspace- "Spacefolds 1" (free sample tape from a SD '98 band!) The Cult- "Electric" From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Mon Jul 13 11:14:57 1998 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:14:57 EDT Subject: BOC: DFTR re-mix Message-ID: In a message dated 07/09/98 1:36:37 PM Central Daylight Time, mlooney at IONET.NET writes: << Side Note: I will be at the Aug 13 BOC show in Wichita KS at In Cahoots. Is anybody else planing on making it? >> I'm planning on being there. Do you have any suggestions on where In Cahoots is and how to get there? R. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jul 13 11:26:30 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:26:30 EDT Subject: tBS: Live 7/10/98 In-Reply-To: <329A5258416CD111928F006008A62C763530BB@bpxsv.156.106.206.in-addr.arpa> Message-ID: > From: brian halligan > I second Torgo's review ;-) I'd also like to mention that whether due to > the soundman, or through practice, the Surgeons vocal harmonies have > never sounded better live. I'm definately looking forward to hearing > some tunes from the new CD later this summer! > I agree. A most excellent gig. I would say that Billy's guitar could have been mixed a bit more 'in your face' for his lead parts, though. Other observations: Deb continues to impress as a gtrst. I think this is the most she's played at any of the gigs I've seen. Gives a nice fullness to the sound having as many gtr plyrs working at once... Band just keeps getting tighter and tighter. This is one solid unit with everyone on the same page, hittin' on all 8. Wish they could have gotten on a bit earlier. I played the night before, and by the time they finished [after 1am] I was pretty whipped, and still with an hour drive home. A huge cup of '100 mile coffee' got me home without sideswiping any guardrails... You all are probably tired of hearing me say it, but Al is simply a drummer's drummer. This guy could give lessons to just about anyone in the rock genre. Even with a compact kit [a 5piece, maybe 6?] he can come up with shit that most great players couldn't do with a double rig. He's never cliched or predictable. Always a unique beat, often quirky and in counterpoint to the song. He takes chances and gets away with it, always challenging your ear. Yet he always fits the song, esp. if you think of the lyrics. Al, you're the man! so, you guys going to the Rochester gig? BTW, if anyone can give me a street address for the Roch. venue, or maybe directions from Syra, I'd be appreciative. Nice seeing listmembers past and present at the gig. Hope to see you all down the road a bit... ******************************* theo "...Power in the hands of fools..." From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Mon Jul 13 11:42:31 1998 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:42:31 EDT Subject: BOC: MP3 audio files available Message-ID: Setlist for the show on the tape I have is: 04/03/72 Nugget Pizza Parlor Rochester, NY 1) The Red And The Black 2) Stairway To The Stars 3) Transmaniacon MC 4) Last Days Of May 5) Before The Kiss (A Redcap) 6) Workshop Of The Telescope 7) Cities On Flame 8) Born To Be Wild It was a radio broadcast that CBS opted to (partially) release. R. From mlooney at IONET.NET Mon Jul 13 12:06:37 1998 From: mlooney at IONET.NET (Mike Looney - ionet) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:06:37 -0500 Subject: BOC: DFTR re-mix Message-ID: Rocker22 at AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 07/09/98 1:36:37 PM Central Daylight Time, > mlooney at IONET.NET writes: > > << Side Note: I will be at the Aug 13 BOC show in Wichita KS at In > Cahoots. > Is anybody else planing on making it? >> > > I'm planning on being there. Do you have any suggestions on where In > Cahoots > is and how to get there? > Send me e-mail with your number and I will give you a call when I get all the info. -- Sillyness is the last refuse of the doomed. P. Opus http://www.spellbooksoftware.com -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GAT d-- s:- a38 US++ P+ L+ E W+++ N++ K++ w++ O- M- V-- PS+ PE++ Y PGP t++ 5 X R+++ tv+ b++++ DI+++ D G+ e+ h--- r+++ y+++(**) ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jul 13 09:27:13 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:27:13 +0100 Subject: OFF: Hello Nasty. In-Reply-To: <19980713105257.2414.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: In article <19980713105257.2414.qmail at hotmail.com>, Horse Whisperer writes >Hey Andy - what's it like?? I'm just back from the festival in Galway >and the Beasties were their usual block-rockin' selves. The new stuff >sounded a little more minimal than the _Ill Communication_ material, >plus more groovy instrumentals - nice? > >What's your opinion?? > >Chris. Fuckin excellant. -- Jon From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Mon Jul 13 13:25:27 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:25:27 -0400 Subject: tBS: Richmonds Message-ID: Theo said: >> From: brian halligan >> I second Torgo's review ;-) I'd also like to mention that whether due to >> the soundman, or through practice, the Surgeons vocal harmonies have >> never sounded better live. I'm definately looking forward to hearing >> some tunes from the new CD later this summer! >> >I agree. A most excellent gig. I would say that Billy's guitar >could have been mixed a bit more 'in your face' for his lead parts, >though. That was a wicked looking guitar he was playing. I forgot to ask what it was. >so, you guys going to the Rochester gig? BTW, if anyone can give me >a street address for the Roch. venue, or maybe directions from Syra, >I'd be appreciative. I only live about 10min away from Richmonds, so if anyone feels left out of the summer tour and needs a place to crash after the gig, let me know. (For those of you in Boston, I drove 6hrs to see Stereolab play at the Palace last November, so no excuses! Of course I don't have a wife or kids, so I suppose that makes a slight difference ;-) Here are the directions to Richmonds: RICHMONDS 21 Richmond St. Rochester, NY (716)454-4612 Take the Thruway (I90) to exit 45 (Rochester, I490) Take 490 to the S. Clinton exit Bear right onto S. Clinton and continue past Woodbury Blvd., Court St., and Broad St. to E. Main (There should be a large plaza on your right) Take a right onto E. Main St. Continue on E. Main through a few intersections. Richmond St. is the 2nd right after the Scio St. intersection. Richmond St. is at a 135 degree angle relative to E. Main St. Once you turn onto Richmond, Richmonds is directly on your right. If you get lost, call me at 482-9702. Brian From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Jul 13 13:25:55 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:25:55 -0400 Subject: HW: Strange Daze '98 Message-ID: Hi Folks... Just saw that Jim Lascko has an update on the Strange Daze '98 lineup, including a time schedule. I see that Melting Euphoria has been added...cool. I was only marginally pleased with their latest release, but I've never seen them live, so I consider this addition to be very worthwhile. Jim has also added a 'Saturday-only' ticket for $30 (including one night of camping rather than two, though it doesn't say Fri. or Sat. night, or your choice). I think this is a good idea (now that the entire event runs for three days now), but I wished he would've set it up that way from the start. I've distributed a lot of flyers already with the old ticket information, and I think some people may have not been interested because of the duration (ie., due to other commitments). I also passed by the Mission Control (no problem with the fonts for me), and saw that the 'Earth Visitor Passports' are now supposed to be available, although it says to wait for further information. Maybe Dave will tell us at SD'98 what these are supposed to be for exactly. On that note, any update on the feasibility study for the private event?? See ya' in a month!! Keith H. (FAA) From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jul 13 13:53:33 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:53:33 EDT Subject: tBS: Richmonds In-Reply-To: <329A5258416CD111928F006008A62C763530BD@bpxsv.156.106.206.in-addr.arpa> Message-ID: > From: brian halligan > > That was a wicked looking guitar he was playing. I forgot to ask what > it was. > No problem, as I used to own one! It's a B.C. Rich Mockingbird, his in jaw-drop-gorgeous curly maple. Mine was mahogany, and it weighed a ton. Can't image what a maple one feels like! > > Here are the directions to Richmonds: > snip> > Once you turn onto Richmond, Richmonds is directly on your right. > > If you get lost, call me at 482-9702. > > > Brian Thanks, man. Hope to see you there! ******************************* theo "...Power in the hands of fools..." From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Mon Jul 13 14:25:27 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:25:27 +0200 Subject: HW: Strange Daze '98 In-Reply-To: <199807131725.NAA29051@mail3.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: At 13:25 13.07.98 -0400, you wrote: >On that note, any update on the feasibility study for the private >event?? No. We are still trying to get in permanent contact with DAVE BROCK Bernhard From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Mon Jul 13 15:20:20 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:20:20 +0200 Subject: HW: Atomhenge 76 bootleg CD Message-ID: Hello folks, received today the Atomhenge 76 bootleg CD. I must say that I am really please with the quality and the song selection. It is the best known recording from the Astounding Tour so far. Only SONIC ATTAC and the encore is missing. Highlights are: - Chronoglide Skyway (I love this song!!) - Wind Of Change (with wonderful guitarplaying by Dave) - Uncle Sams On Mars (with the basic rhythm of OPA LOKA) - Time For Sale (great Bob Calvert) - Kerb Crawler (rough song with guitar solo by Bob Calvert) It might be of interest that this CD is NOT a copy from the known 1976 Astounding Tour tapes which are known. They are: - Machester, 18.09.1976 - Ipswich, 02.10.1976 - Leicester, 04.10.1976 - London, 05.10.1976 Parts of the London gig appear on one WEIRD tape One Song on this CD makes this gig unique: The band started with the typical guitar-riff BACK ON THE STREETS and stopped after 10 or 15 seconds. Then they started again and played to the end. Are there any old HAWKWIND fans out there who remember this gig ? This CD is a MUST for all hardcore HAWKWIND fans. Unfortunately the recording date and venue are not known Bernhard From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Mon Jul 13 16:50:05 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David G) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:50:05 +0100 Subject: HW: Atomhenge 76 bootleg CD Message-ID: I missed the beginning of this thread, who is sourcing the CD? Dave Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > Hello folks, > > received today the Atomhenge 76 bootleg CD. > I must say that I am really please with the quality and the song selection. > It is the best known recording from the Astounding Tour so far. Only SONIC > ATTAC and the encore is missing. > > Highlights are: > - Chronoglide Skyway (I love this song!!) > - Wind Of Change (with wonderful guitarplaying by Dave) > - Uncle Sams On Mars (with the basic rhythm of OPA LOKA) > - Time For Sale (great Bob Calvert) > - Kerb Crawler (rough song with guitar solo by Bob Calvert) > > It might be of interest that this CD is NOT a copy from the known 1976 > Astounding Tour tapes which are known. They are: > > - Machester, 18.09.1976 > - Ipswich, 02.10.1976 > - Leicester, 04.10.1976 > - London, 05.10.1976 > > Parts of the London gig appear on one WEIRD tape > > One Song on this CD makes this gig unique: The band started with the > typical guitar-riff BACK ON THE STREETS and stopped after 10 or 15 seconds. > Then they started again and played to the end. > > Are there any old HAWKWIND fans out there who remember this gig ? > > This CD is a MUST for all hardcore HAWKWIND fans. Unfortunately the > recording date and venue are not known > > Bernhard From adawson at CLARA.NET Mon Jul 13 17:20:10 1998 From: adawson at CLARA.NET (Andrew Dawson) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:20:10 +0100 Subject: HW: Atomhenge 76 bootleg CD In-Reply-To: <35AA72FD.5D3640A3@virgin.net> Message-ID: At 21:50 13/07/98 +0100, you wrote: >I missed the beginning of this thread, who is sourcing the CD? > >Dave Hi Dave E-Mail "Henrik Hallgren" for details. Just finished playing my copy and have to agree with Bernhard's comments. Nice item. Don't forget to ask Henrik about the "Live at the Kinetic Playground" CD as well. If you want to view these they are both on my site. See sig. Cheers Andy >Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > >> Hello folks, >> >> received today the Atomhenge 76 bootleg CD. >> I must say that I am really please with the quality and the song selection. >> It is the best known recording from the Astounding Tour so far. Only SONIC >> ATTAC and the encore is missing. Andrew Dawson adawson at clara.net Into Hawkwind ? Then check out the Worldwide discography. http://home.clara.net/adawson From adawson at CLARA.NET Mon Jul 13 17:20:38 1998 From: adawson at CLARA.NET (Andrew Dawson) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:20:38 +0100 Subject: HW. U.K Tour 97 video preview Message-ID: Hi folks, Outlaw TV have a RealVideoG2 demo trailer of what appears to be a forthcoming Hawk video from Visionary. It is 3 minutes long and starts with an interview with the band and then live footage of Reptoid Vision. Not sure what show it is taken from though. There is also the Assassins of Allah track from the Love in Space video. http://outlawtv.simplenet.com/music/hawkwind/ Andy Andrew Dawson adawson at clara.net Into Hawkwind ? Then check out the Worldwide discography. http://home.clara.net/adawson From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Tue Jul 14 06:48:34 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 06:48:34 -0400 Subject: BOC: Alive and Well in Bristol CT Message-ID: Opening act: Controlled Intensity - 70's rock (Doors, Stones, Santana) Set list for the evening: Burning for You Cities on Flame E.T.I. Harvest Moon Buck's Boogie O.D'd on Life The Vigil Live for Me Flaming Telepaths (major strobes made EB spookier than ever) See You in Black Last Days of May In Thee Lips in the Hills Godzilla Reaper encore: Golden Age of Leather (We all got to sing along) Dominance and Submission From micci at SCI.FI Tue Jul 14 10:04:10 1998 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:04:10 +0300 Subject: HW:elf&hawk + high tide Message-ID: Hi! I receive letter from Black Widows Records where they say that Elf&Hawk will be out september on cd and douple LP! Also saw today High Tide-Precious Gargo reissue vinyl with new sleeve, unfortunately I don?t remember what is the record company. Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Jul 14 13:50:54 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:50:54 PDT Subject: OFF: MP3 - Shameless Self Publicizing Message-ID: This is a bad thing for me to do, but I'm a bad bad man and I admit it. This is a track from our new CD, and I'd like somebody to listen to it. Does that make me a bad person?? http://listen.to/the.cheese.junkies/ I'd appreciate either a slap or a few comments! ROCKER22 - I finally have your Arthur Brown _Order from Chaos Live_ dub. It took me months to get it back from the guy I'd lent it to. Could you mail me directly your address again, so we can do that swap for BOC '72?? Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Tue Jul 14 14:03:47 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David G) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:03:47 +0100 Subject: HW: Atomhenge 76 bootleg CD Message-ID: Andrew Dawson wrote: > At 21:50 13/07/98 +0100, you wrote: > >I missed the beginning of this thread, who is sourcing the CD? > > > >Dave > > Hi Dave > > E-Mail "Henrik Hallgren" for details. > > Just finished playing my copy and have to agree with Bernhard's comments. > Nice item. SNIP Thanks Andy, email has gone. Nice site too, Am I the first in your guestbook, or was the link broken? Dave From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Jul 14 16:27:25 1998 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:27:25 PDT Subject: tBS: The Haunt Message-ID: Hi Kids! Once upon a time, Brian Halligan said.... >So Torgo, how did the show rate with the Surgeons hater in the >audience? Well, it's like this. Karen and I have very similar tastes at times, but there are just some things we don't see eye to eye on musically. Normally she hates a band I really like, we go see them live, and the next thing I know she is asking me to tape some of their stuff for her car (not FOR her car, but for her to listen to IN her.... oh you know what I mean). Anyhoo, as I predicted, she really had a great time seeing the Surgeons live, and would love to see them again some time. As for wanting some stuff taped, well she doesn't quite like them that much, but I think once she gets a few more shows under her belt she will be a true believer. What she REALLY enjoyed about the show was Jason's "clog dancer on acid" routine. I told her all about it but it is nothing compared to seeing it done live. If she knows she can see Jason froog madly again, she WILL be there! :^D > :-) Also, what do you think of the _Peter Bohovesky_ and >_Archetype_ CDs? Peter's CD is an absolute freaking RIOT. Musically it is brilliant, and lyrically it is WACKED (probably my fave combination). I have been listening to it non-stop for a few days now. Expect a review of it sometime later in the week. As for Helen's CD... uh... I didn't get it. Dude to budgetary limitations I was limited to only one CD, and I wanted to get all the older Cellsum releases before working on anything newer. I felt kinda bad actually getting change for buying Peter's CD *FROM* Helen and not buying her CD... but that's Rock n Roll. :^) Maybe at the next show...... Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** Torgo at norwich.net DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos *********************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jul 14 16:56:07 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:56:07 EDT Subject: tBS: The Haunt In-Reply-To: <19980714202725.21725.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > From: Torgo Sedler > > What she REALLY enjoyed about the show was Jason's "clog dancer on acid" > routine. I told her all about it but it is nothing compared to seeing it > done live. If she knows she can see Jason froog madly again, she WILL be > there! :^D > Howls! That's a perfect description. Jed Clampett on 2 hits of orange barrel! So, you 2 going to the Rochester show? ******************************* theo "...Power in the hands of fools..." From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jul 14 16:58:39 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:58:39 EDT Subject: tBS: The Haunt In-Reply-To: <19980714202725.21725.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > From: Torgo Sedler > As for Helen's CD... uh... I didn't get it. Dude to budgetary > limitations I was limited to only one CD, and I wanted to get all the > older Cellsum releases before working on anything newer. I felt kinda > bad actually getting change for buying Peter's CD *FROM* Helen and not > buying her CD... but that's Rock n Roll. :^) Who plays on Helen's disc? The crew from Static Cling? I thought SC was a local Syracuse band, as they do play bars around here from time to time...Any of you buy the SC disc? I was tempted, but I was a little broke and figured I might pick it up at another gig. Is Static Cling's disc also on Cellsum? ******************************* theo "...Power in the hands of fools..." From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue Jul 14 17:22:03 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:22:03 -0400 Subject: tBS: The Haunt Message-ID: Torgo said: >but I think once she gets a few more shows under her belt she will be a true >believer. Soon Dr. Jones you will be a true beweeever- Bwahahahaha! >What she REALLY enjoyed about the show was Jason's "clog dancer on acid" >routine. I told her all about it but it is nothing compared to seeing it >done live. If she knows she can see Jason froog madly again, she WILL be >there! :^D I seriously think the Surgeons should have him perform onstage. He told me he was a little out of gas that night, or else he would have been on the floor more often. >> :-) Also, what do you think of the _Peter Bohovesky_ and >_Archetype_ CDs? >Peter's CD is an absolute freaking RIOT. Musically it is brilliant, and >lyrically it is WACKED (probably my fave combination). I have been >listening to it non-stop for a few days now. Expect a review of it >sometime later in the week. They should play it on the PA before the Surgeon's shows. I know for a fact that "Bobby Floats a Fence Post" was played on the Potsdam College radio station. >As for Helen's CD... uh... I didn't get it. Sorry, I thought you grabbed that one too. It's not as heavy as HWheels' live performance, but it has plenty of hard rock attitude. The newer tracks: Tattoo Vampire and Niagra Falls, go over really well, although I think a Tattoo Vampire purist might cringe a little at HWheels' unique take on it. Still plenty strange and heavy, but somehow a little more "happy." Al, Jack Rigg, and Tommy (starts with 'M' and played on Imaginos) helped contribute to a lot of the songwriting. Glad to hear we have another (almost) convert to the Surgeons' side! Brian ---------- Brian Halligan brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html "We are drawing a moustache on the wanted poster of the face of music." -Fierce Wicker ---------- From adawson at CLARA.NET Tue Jul 14 17:23:11 1998 From: adawson at CLARA.NET (Andrew Dawson) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:23:11 +0100 Subject: HW: Atomhenge 76 bootleg CD In-Reply-To: <35AB9D82.E840EE0A@virgin.net> Message-ID: At 19:03 14/07/98 +0100, you wrote: >Andrew Dawson wrote: > >> At 21:50 13/07/98 +0100, you wrote: >> >I missed the beginning of this thread, who is sourcing the CD? >> > >> >Dave >> >> Hi Dave >> >> E-Mail "Henrik Hallgren" for details. >> >> Just finished playing my copy and have to agree with Bernhard's comments. >> Nice item. > >SNIP > >Thanks Andy, email has gone. Nice site too, Am I the first in your guestbook, >or was the link broken? > >Dave > Hi Dave, Congratulations you were the 1st. Wonder who will make it the 7 (x 7) entry ? Andy Andrew Dawson adawson at clara.net Into Hawkwind ? Then check out the Worldwide discography. http://home.clara.net/adawson From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Tue Jul 14 17:28:37 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:28:37 -0400 Subject: tBS: The Haunt Message-ID: Theo said: >Who plays on Helen's disc? The crew from Static Cling? I thought SC >was a local Syracuse band, as they do play bars around here from time >to time...Any of you buy the SC disc? I was tempted, but I was a >little broke and figured I might pick it up at another gig. Is >Static Cling's disc also on Cellsum? I don't have the album with me, but the songs from Archetype are mostly from the '80s. I think Al, Jack Rigg, and Tommy (the guy from my last message) all played on various songs, and a bunch of other people that I haven't heard of round out the players. I think SC started working w/Helen fairly recently. If SC was on Cellsum, I think their CD would have been in the order form. Maybe they're on Blue Wave or another local label? Brian ---------- Brian Halligan brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html "We are drawing a moustache on the wanted poster of the face of music." -Fierce Wicker ---------- >******************************* > >theo > > >"...Power in the hands of fools..." From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 15 06:25:50 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:25:50 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind covers all: James Last Message-ID: I should soon be in posession of a James Last cover of Silver Machine though I'm a little gobsmacked to discover this. Gotta be a must on tape 5... FoFP From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jul 15 06:52:37 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 11:52:37 +0100 Subject: OFF: Edgar Broughton Band Message-ID: Just noticed that they're playing a 30th Anniversary show at, get this, the Pavilion Leisure Centre, Bromley, on Saturday July 25th. I dunno whether to go or not, but I wouldn't want to miss "Apache Dropout"... - Andy ObURL: http://www.sonicsrendezvous.com mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Wed Jul 15 07:18:10 1998 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:18:10 +0100 Subject: OFF: Pink Fairies 70/71 Message-ID: As reviewed in this month's Q: Pink Fairies, mandies and mescaline round at Uncle Harry's lucille: Paul Rudolph, Duncan Sanderson, Russel Hunter, Twink top gear 28/11/70 the snake: PR, DS, RH, T top gear 28/11/70 recorded at Maida Vale johnny b. goode: PR, DS, RH, Trevor Burton Guitar (from the Move) in concert 4/11/71 (starts with radio 1 jingle and John Peel) uncle 'henry's' last freakout (as above) do it!: PR, DS, RH, T recorded at Glastonbury Fayre 24/6/71 uncle harry's last freakout (as above) the glastonbury recordings are a little rough (in an analogue sense, rather than in the playing, cos that goes without saying for live fairies) It is quite a nice package, with a short interview with RH, a quote from Twink and a couple of BW photos. If you like the PF then you'll like this I reckon. It is released through New Millenium Communications (copyright 1997 for some reason) PILOT 31 (and as the re-release of the Deviants Disposable is PILOT 32 which was out ages ago I guess it was released in 97 but it has only just made itself known to Q. I picked it up in the Virgin Megastore at Tottenham Court Road). Mike w From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Wed Jul 15 08:36:04 1998 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:36:04 +0200 Subject: OFF: Ozrics news Message-ID: Hej, Here is the latest from the Ozrics: Ed Wynne has been busy mixing the master which has slightly held up the Streaming CD - it will be ready at the end of next week and mailed out shortly after - we are really sorry that it has taken longer than anticipated but I have seen the finished artwork and I assure you it is worth the wait - it is wild and I have heard some of the finished tracks and it sounds fantastic. The Remix album which we are working on for release late September is coming together too. >From Snapper Records: Further to our correspondence yesterday the Ozrics Manager has phoned today and informed me about a very dodgy German Promoter that he believes is advertising some gigs such as the one you have seen for Hamburg. There is no truth to any of this - he believes they are using the Ozrics and Hawkwind names and are ripping people off because they have never agreed to appear and also this is creating adverse publicity for the Band. I have advised our German company to keep their eyes out but please inform anybody that needs to know that this is not official and nothing to do with the Ozrics at all - thanks. What I can tell you is that there will be a full European Tour in October & November including Germany. I am trying to get a gig here in denmark lined up! Scott ObCD Trouble- Manic Frustration R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 38 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From mordru at FLITE.NET Wed Jul 15 09:09:05 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:09:05 -0400 Subject: BOC (&HW) The Great Sun Jester Message-ID: I've known for a time that the Moorcock's lyrics for "The Great Sun Jester" were also used as straight poetry by Hawkwind and/or other bands we sometimes discuss on the list. Someone sent me some sheets of Hawkwind lyrics that included this, listed as "The Joker of the Universe". I noted that the lyrics, while almost identical, include one verse not found in "The Great Sun Jester": And he laughed for us And he gave us all he had He was Jesus, he was Jonas He was good and he was bad (continues w/ "And he took the stars, in his hands, and as he scattered them he'd shout", the rest all the same).... Does anyone know if BOC ever performed TGSJ live, and if so, did they ever use this verse? I'm guessing they left it out to avoid mentioning Jesus... Also, on the other side of the list, does anyone know if The Joker of the Universe was ever done w/ the music from TGSJ? OBCDtrack: Fireclown, by DarXtar AAA From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jul 15 10:23:45 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:23:45 +0100 Subject: BOC (&HW) The Great Sun Jester In-Reply-To: <199807151309.JAA14304@in.flite.net> Message-ID: I recall them doing it on the Mirrors tour (along with "The Vigil", Steve :), and it was pretty much the album version. Bloody good though! Why would they have a problem mentioning Jesus? They didn't have a problem with Lucifer... I just assumed they changed it to fit the tune. Like they did with "Veterans...". When MM did the piece with HW, it was spoken-word. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Wed Jul 15 11:18:31 1998 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:18:31 -0600 Subject: OFF: Ozrics news Message-ID: Scott Heller wrote: > Hej, > > Here is the latest from the Ozrics: > > Ed Wynne has been busy mixing the master which has slightly held up the > Streaming CD - it will be ready at the end of next week and mailed out > shortly after - we are really sorry that it has taken longer than > anticipated but I have seen the finished artwork and I assure you it is > worth the wait - it is wild and I have heard some of the finished > tracks and it sounds fantastic. > Scott:Thanks for posting this-Myself & a friend here have reserved copies-and was wondering what was happening, 'cause we really hadn't heard anything:) I can't wait to get it!!Rock on! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Jul 15 13:11:41 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:11:41 +0100 Subject: HW: SONICBOOMKILLERS? Message-ID: Do we know about this compilation? I've been a bit remiss with my mail and may have missed the posting. If not, I'll post full details. Zeit -- ================================================================= ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 =========================================================================== -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: vcard.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 353 bytes Desc: Card for Stuart A Hamilton URL: From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Wed Jul 15 13:44:16 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David G) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 18:44:16 +0100 Subject: OFF: Ozrics news Message-ID: Does the Info you have confirm the Ozrics appearance in Portsmouth UK on Saturday? Dave From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Wed Jul 15 13:24:39 1998 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:24:39 +0200 Subject: OFF: Ozrics news Message-ID: > Further to our correspondence yesterday the Ozrics Manager has phoned > today and informed me about a very dodgy German Promoter that he > believes is advertising some gigs such as the one you have seen for > Hamburg. There is no truth to any of this - he believes they are using > the Ozrics and Hawkwind names and are ripping people off because they > have never agreed to appear and also this is creating adverse publicity > for the Band. I have advised our German company to keep their eyes out > but please inform anybody that needs to know that this is not official > and nothing to do with the Ozrics at all - thanks. What I can tell you > is that there will be a full European Tour in October & November > including Germany. > Does that mean that the open air gig on Aug. 29th in Venlo/Netherlands isn?t happening ? From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Wed Jul 15 14:29:04 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:29:04 -0400 Subject: Off: MP3 - Shameless Self Publicizing Message-ID: >Does that make me a bad person?? Of course it does. But we'll try not to hold it against you. ;-) >http://listen.to/the.cheese.junkies/ > >I'd appreciate either a slap or a few comments! Let's see... The Fabulous Cheese Junkies "X1". Limburger funk. Smelly (in the good funk sense.) Wind chimes? Vocalist is _not_ shy and wants to show you her range- different, but worth another listen. Song could use extra keyboard wanking. Nice interlude into the Zappa-esque electric kazoo-sounding blow out at the end. Makes me curious to hear more. Nice work! When does the full-blown "Cheese Experience" make it's Web debut? Brian ---------- Brian Halligan brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html "We are drawing a moustache on the wanted poster of the face of music." -Fierce Wicker ---------- From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Jul 15 14:31:12 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:31:12 -0500 Subject: BOC: Alive and Well in Bristol CT Message-ID: >Set list for the evening: Burning for You Cities on Flame E.T.I. Harvest Moon Buck's Boogie O.D'd on Life The Vigil Live for Me Flaming Telepaths (major strobes made EB spookier than ever) See You in Black Last Days of May In Thee Lips in the Hills Godzilla Reaper encore: Golden Age of Leather (We all got to sing along) Dominance and Submission GAoL is a top five fave, good to see it in the setlist somewhere. When I saw them in April they indicated that the setlist would be changing in May to include more songs from HF. Anybody know why this hasn't happened yet? Torgo>What she REALLY enjoyed about the show was Jason's "clog dancer on acid" routine. I told her all about it but it is nothing compared to seeing it done live. If she knows she can see Jason froog madly again, she WILL be there! :^D Video, video anybody go video of this? Ghost in the Ruins When I look up at the stars at night what could I find beyond the light, a hundred million worlds we ignore. - Pleadies , King's X From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 15 14:59:09 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:59:09 EDT Subject: BOC: Alive and Well in Bristol CT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > GAoL is a top five fave, good to see it in the setlist somewhere. When > I saw them in April they indicated that the setlist would be changing in > May to include more songs from HF. Anybody know why this hasn't > happened yet? > Well they ARE doing the 3 best tunes from HF. Don't see a need for too many more. ACtually 3 tunes off any album is pretty good live... Torgo>What she REALLY enjoyed about the show was Jason's "clog dancer on > acid" routine. I told her all about it but it is nothing compared to > seeing it done live. If she knows she can see Jason froog madly again, > she WILL be > there! :^D > > Video, video anybody go video of this? > Oh, man, if I had a videocam... ******************************* theo "...Power in the hands of fools..." From peter at FAIRFIELD.KAROO.CO.UK Wed Jul 15 14:49:11 1998 From: peter at FAIRFIELD.KAROO.CO.UK (Peter Greendale) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:49:11 +0100 Subject: BOC (&HW) The Great Sun Jester Message-ID: I saw B OC do 'The Great Sun Jester' on the Mirrors tour Leeds, 1979. Memory not being what it ought to be , I cannot recall specific lyrics. I do however have a tape from Chicago Oct 1979, which has this song on it, I will give it a listen and let you know. Peter Greendale Hull England Andrew A. Apold wrote: > I've known for a time that the Moorcock's lyrics > for "The Great Sun Jester" were also used as > straight poetry by Hawkwind and/or other bands > we sometimes discuss on the list. Someone sent > me some sheets of Hawkwind lyrics that included > this, listed as "The Joker of the Universe". > > I noted that the lyrics, while almost identical, > include one verse not found in "The Great Sun > Jester": > > And he laughed for us > And he gave us all he had > He was Jesus, he was Jonas > He was good and he was bad > > (continues w/ "And he took the stars, in his hands, > and as he scattered them he'd shout", the rest > all the same).... > > Does anyone know if BOC ever performed TGSJ live, and if > so, did they ever use this verse? I'm guessing they > left it out to avoid mentioning Jesus... > > Also, on the other side of the list, does anyone know if > The Joker of the Universe was ever done w/ the music from > TGSJ? > > OBCDtrack: Fireclown, by DarXtar > > AAA From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Wed Jul 15 14:59:03 1998 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 14:59:03 EDT Subject: OFF: Edgar Broughton Band Message-ID: In a message dated 98-07-15 07:11:10 EDT, you write: << Just noticed that they're playing a 30th Anniversary show at, get this, the Pavilion Leisure Centre, Bromley, on Saturday July 25th. I dunno whether to go or not, but I wouldn't want to miss "Apache Dropout"... - Andy >> Speaking of EBB, I have a vinyl copy of Wasa Wasa that I've been auctioning. It's German, on EMI/Harvest, and in VG+ condition. In case anyone's interested, the current bid is up to $12... E-mail me, Chuck From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Jul 15 14:03:20 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:03:20 +0100 Subject: OFF: tBS Birthday Bash In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 13:18 10/07/98 -0700, you wrote: >Ah cut 'em some slack Theo, they have no idea of how good life becomes >when you go 4-oh and beyond. Yes! Yes! Yes! You can have a girlfriend who's half your age without being jailbait *VBEG* I have, and for those who met Helen at the Astoria, she says "Hi!" - she got her Upper 2nd, so she'll be doing her Masters next year :-{)> > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > Probably not deserving of the bandwidth Chris but Rob Rudich was a > >Egad what a faux paux! No one's jumped on me yet (probably my long >history of being the village idiot) but I didn't mean this to say Rudich >wasn't worth the bandwidth, rather my feeling strange seeing his name in >a header wasn't. Thanks to all for the explanations - sounds like a good guy. I vaguely remember some mentions from when I first signed on here, but of course it wouldn't have meant anything at the time. Cheers, ChrisW ObCD: Mahler's "Kindertotenlieder & Ruckert Lieder" sung by Thomas Hampson Free your mind & watch your ass! From fn62 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Jul 15 17:27:42 1998 From: fn62 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Alison Hopkins) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:27:42 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind covers all: James Last Message-ID: >I should soon be in posession of a James Last cover of Silver Machine >though I'm a little gobsmacked to discover this. Gotta be a must on tape >5... > >FoFP eeeeouwww! Wasn't there one of those LSO does Pops versions of it as well? Ali From john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM Wed Jul 15 22:20:00 1998 From: john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM (john.m.gray) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:20:00 -0700 Subject: Time of the Hawklords Hardcover Message-ID: I'm passing this info on to whomever might be interested, I already have a copy. John Title: Time of the Hawklords; Author: Michael Moorcock; Attributes: Hardcover Has been matched with the following book(s): ---------- THE TIME OF THE HAWKLORDS [by] Michael Moorcock and Michael Butterworth. by Moorcock, Michael. [Henley-on-Thames]: Aidan Ellis, [1976]. Octavo, boards. First edition. Although Moorcock is credited as co-author of this novel, it was entirely written by Butterworth from a "broad idea" provided by Moorcock. A fine copy in fine dust jacket. The price of the book is US$ 45.00 Please reference the seller's book # 42196 when ordering. The seller is L. W. Currey, Inc. P.O. Box 187 (Water Street) , Elizabethtown, NY, U.S.A., 12932. Ph: 518-873-6477. Fax: 518-873-9105. Terms of sale: In most cases, payment in advance. ABAA members billed less 10%; 30 days. From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Thu Jul 16 02:25:16 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:25:16 -0700 Subject: HW: Looking for Vinyl Message-ID: This is a message from Mike Coleman (Delta-Wave), who is looking for the following vinyl and/or covers: Mint sleeve Italian "Hassan I Sahba" 45, and has one of the following to trade for it: Japanese ""X In Search Of Space" LP with gatefold cover "in wonderful shape", or Japanese "Doremi Fasol Latido" LP with booklet (vg+/vg+) He's also looking for: German "Church O Hawkwind" UK 2nd pressing "Church Of Hawkwind" (has no texture to sun when felt with finger), only needs mint sleeve (record and book don't matter) "Dave Brock and the Agents Of Chaos" 2nd pressing cover in mint shape (has very light blue printing on cover, and no lamination on cover at all) Hawklords "25 Years ON" US non-promo LP (mint sleeve) Hawklords "Psi Power" 45 non-promo French "Hassan I Sahba" 45 He has various Canadian and other rare stuff he'll trade (he'll make it worth your while if you have what he needs, and is always looking for super-rare or super-mint Hawkwind stuff). He figures someone out there has to know somebody who knows somebody who knows somebody who has these. Mike also apologizes for his recent slacker business practices, and means well... You can e-mail me, or call him at (972)-991-6621. Kevin Sommers Primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu http://www.psn.net/~novadrive/ From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Thu Jul 16 05:48:08 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 02:48:08 -0700 Subject: HW: Brian Tawn Message-ID: Has anyone heard from Brian Tawn lately? Kevin Sommers Primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu http://www.psn.net/~novadrive/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jul 16 07:20:55 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:20:55 +0000 Subject: OFF: till Norden! Message-ID: I shall be going to J?nk?ping for the space-rock fest there, and then also travelling around Sweden and Denmark as much as possible--Norway if I can find an excuse :) I have to do some research for my PhD, but hope to just travel around and sight-see some too. Anyone else from the list going to J?nk?ping? Anyone else going to be around at all? Besides K?benhavn and J?nk?ping, I shall definitely be in Stockholm and Uppsala. If I can make it to G?teborg and Aarhus, I shall. (If I get as far as G?teborg, I may as well try for Norway :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jul 16 06:28:45 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:28:45 +0100 Subject: HW: Brian Tawn In-Reply-To: Kevin Sommers's message of Thu, 16 Jul 1998 02:48:08 -0700 Message-ID: Kevin Sommers writes: > Has anyone heard from Brian Tawn lately? nope - not for a while. Come to that has anyone heard from Hawkwind lately? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Thu Jul 16 07:58:08 1998 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:58:08 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind covers all: James Last Message-ID: I remember looking for this years ago, but gave up... there's only so many James last albums a person can look at before madness sets in :) I'd love to hear it though! Dave >I should soon be in posession of a James Last cover of Silver Machine >though I'm a little gobsmacked to discover this. Gotta be a must on tape >5... > >FoFP > > From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Jul 16 10:49:17 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 07:49:17 PDT Subject: Off: MP3 - Shameless Self Publicizing Message-ID: >>I said... >>Does that make me a bad person?? > >Of course it does. But we'll try not to hold it against you. ;-) > >>http://listen.to/the.cheese.junkies/ >> >>I'd appreciate either a slap or a few comments! > >Let's see... The Fabulous Cheese Junkies "X1". Limburger funk. Smelly >(in the good funk sense.) Wind chimes? Vocalist is _not_ shy and wants >to show you her range- different, but worth another listen. Song could >use extra keyboard wanking. Nice interlude into the Zappa-esque >electric kazoo-sounding blow out at the end. Makes me curious to hear >more. Nice work! > >When does the full-blown "Cheese Experience" make it's Web debut? > >Brian > Ta very much! I have the other 11 track plus a remix in MP3 format as well, but I don't have access to the server space to stick them on the web. I'll probably be doing a mail-order thing for a couple of quid to cover postage and the blank CD. Did you spot the kazoo section was actually Led Zepp's _Moby Dick_??? Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Thu Jul 16 11:20:32 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:20:32 +0100 Subject: Many rare Hawkwind items for sale. Message-ID: Jon Delaney has sent me an extensive list of Hawkstuff for sale. The more rare items include: The Hawkfan 12" (Offers accepted) PXR5 LP with the Pete Frame family tree poster (25 Pounds) Hawklords LP with booklet (30 Pounds) Approved History of Hawkwind box set (50 Pounds) Acid Daze Box set (35 Pounds) Official Picture Log Book box set (60 Pounds) Travellers Aid Trust LP (40 Pounds) Bristol Bike Show LP (25 Pounds) Cyberspace Conspiracy LP (12 Pounds) Assassins of Allah LP (10 Pounds) Hawkwind Zoo 12" (10 Pounds) Night of the Hawks 12" (8 Pounds) Psi Power US 12" Promo (35 Pounds) Vinile "Assassins of Allah" 7" (with booklet) (offers) Glastonbury Fayre CD (30 Pounds) He also has many of the more ordinary LP's, singles and cassettes plus a range of tour programmes and Hawkwind booklets including the Hawkwwind Log and the various posters. Also from his Hawkwind related sextion he has Brock Agents of Chaos vinyl (6 Pounds) Brock Social Alliance 7" (10 Pounds) Brock Zones 7" (offers) Much Turner/ICU stuff Some Langton stuff Alan Davey Elf 7" EP (8 Pounds) Moorcock Dodgem Dude 7" (offers) Moorcock Brothelin Rosenstrasse 7 " (offers) Moorcock New Worlds Fair LP (40 Pounds) Many Calvert singles, LPs and CDs. Tim Blake Cds He's at: 9 Curtlington House London Edgeware Middlesex HA8 OBN Telephone UK 0181-951-3577 Please name myself as your contact since this encourages folks to keep sending me such information. Cheers Mike From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Thu Jul 16 11:37:44 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:37:44 -0400 Subject: Off: MP3 - Shameless Self Publicizing Message-ID: >Ta very much! I have the other 11 track plus a remix in MP3 format as >well, but I don't have access to the server space to stick them on the >web. >I'll probably be doing a mail-order thing for a couple of quid to cover >postage and the blank CD. > >Did you spot the kazoo section was actually Led Zepp's _Moby Dick_??? > >Chris. You know, I didn't! The funny thing is that I played Led Zeppelin II last night and still didn't make the connection. Of course, I can hear it now since you mentioned it... Will you be rotating the other tracks on your site? Brian ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html "We are drawing a moustache on the wanted poster of the face of music." -Fierce Wicker ---------- From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Thu Jul 16 11:43:11 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:43:11 -0400 Subject: OFF: Olivia Tremor Control question Message-ID: Anyone have an opinion about their music? I came across them when I ordered a Bevis Frond LP and it seems like they might be worth checking out. Thanks, Brian ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html "We are drawing a moustache on the wanted poster of the face of music." -Fierce Wicker ---------- From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Jul 16 11:58:45 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:58:45 PDT Subject: Off: MP3 - Shameless Self Publicizing Message-ID: >You know, I didn't! The funny thing is that I played Led Zeppelin II >last night and still didn't make the connection. Of course, I can hear >it now since you mentioned it... > >Will you be rotating the other tracks on your site? > >Brian > Well, it did sound a little tuneless after we dropped out the bass & guitar, but we didn't want to get sued too much... I hadn't thought about rotating the tracks, but I think I will, I'll let you know. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Jul 16 12:57:15 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:57:15 +0100 Subject: OFF: Olivia Tremor Control question Message-ID: Well I think they're rather splendid. For those who don't know they're from Athens, Georgia, are influenced by the Beatles, Beach Boys and Guided By Voices. Their 27 song debut, "Music From The Unrealised Film Script: Dusk At Cubist Castle" is well worth buying. They're on Blue Rose in the UK, a label also worth checking out. Zeit Track: Olivia Tremor Control - Green Typewriter Suite brian halligan wrote: > Anyone have an opinion about their music? I came across them when I > ordered a Bevis Frond LP and it seems like they might be worth checking > out. > > Thanks, > Brian > > ---------- > Brian Halligan > mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com > http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html > > "We are drawing a moustache on the wanted poster of the face of music." > -Fierce Wicker > ---------- -- ================================================================= ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 =========================================================================== -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: vcard.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 353 bytes Desc: Card for Stuart A Hamilton URL: From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Thu Jul 16 12:50:49 1998 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:50:49 +0200 Subject: OFF: till Norden! Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson schrieb: > Anyone else from the list going to J?nk?ping? Anyone else > going to be around at all? > Yes, I?ll be there too, though only for the weekend. I?d really like to travel round Scandinavia but I already had my holidays for this year. I know that Henrik Hallgren will be there too. Let?s hope the weather is getting better by than. Andreas Stuewe From pookadad at DELTANET.COM Thu Jul 16 13:33:48 1998 From: pookadad at DELTANET.COM (Michael Karschner) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:33:48 -0700 Subject: BOC: Yucaipa Show Info Message-ID: What the Crossroads' people had to say about the show: The BOC show on Friday, August 28th, starts at 9 PM. There's no opening band so far, and they don't think there will be (usually only multi-act shows on the weekends). Tickets are $19.50 in advance, and $22.50 at the door. They don't have a ticket-mailing system, but you can charge will-call tickets by calling the club at 909-795-0665, extension 104, and using your credit card (MC, Visa, Discover, & AmEx accepted). The club is 21 & over *only*, and you need to bring ID with you. If you charged will-call tickets, you also have to bring the credit card used to charge them. Directions: The club's address is: The Crossroads, 32464 Dunlap Blvd, Yucaipa, CA 92399. Where-ever you're coming from, you have to get on Interstate 10 first. Then, if you're: Coming from the west, take I-10 eastbound to Live Oak Canyon Road exit, exit the freeway, and turn left at the stop sign. Go up over the freeway, and turn left at the first street (should be Dunlap), and the club will be on your immediate right. Coming from the east, take I-10 westbound to Live Oak Canyon Road exit, exit the freeway, and continue straight ahead after the stop sign. You'll be on Dunlap, and the club will be on your immediate right. From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Jul 16 13:27:57 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:27:57 -0500 Subject: BOC: Alive and Well in Bristol CT Message-ID: >Well they ARE doing the 3 best tunes from HF. Don't see a need for too many more. ACtually 3 tunes off any album is pretty good live... Warm disagreement here Theo. Several of the shows I have seen over the last couple of years have been on the heels of new albums. Each of those artist played at least 5. King's X played all but one from Ear Candy, Queensryche did 5-6 from Hear in the Now Frontier, Savatage pulled 5 from Wake of Magellan. I'd like to see a bit more HF in the setlist and maybe some of the lesser known songs from RBN (Shooting Shark?). HF seems to be selling well enough anyway but Damaged and say Hammer Back fit well with the current lineup. If you want to take it easy on the Eric songs just sub , say Real World for Hammer Back. >Oh, man, if I had a videocam... Somebody on this list is going to have to catch Jason on video. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jul 16 13:30:51 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:30:51 +0100 Subject: OFF: Olivia Tremor Control question In-Reply-To: <35AE30EA.23572E6F@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: And they're in London on August 18th at the Garage, btw. - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of Stuart A Hamilton > Sent: 16 July 1998 17:57 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: OFF: Olivia Tremor Control question > > > Well I think they're rather splendid. For those who don't know they're > from Athens, Georgia, are influenced by the Beatles, Beach Boys and Guided > By Voices. Their 27 song debut, "Music From The Unrealised Film Script: > Dusk At Cubist Castle" is well worth buying. They're on Blue Rose in the > UK, a label also worth checking out. > > Zeit > Track: Olivia Tremor Control - Green Typewriter Suite > > brian halligan wrote: > > > Anyone have an opinion about their music? I came across them when I > > ordered a Bevis Frond LP and it seems like they might be worth checking > > out. > > > > Thanks, > > Brian > > > > ---------- > > Brian Halligan > > mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com > > http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html > > > > "We are drawing a moustache on the wanted poster of the face of music." > > -Fierce Wicker > > ---------- > > > > -- > ================================================================= > ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com > > Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK > > Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 > > ================================================================== > ========== > > > From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jul 16 13:41:47 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:41:47 EDT Subject: BOC: Alive and Well in Bristol CT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." > >Well they ARE doing the 3 best tunes from HF. Don't see a need for too many > more. ACtually 3 tunes off any album is pretty good live... > > > Warm disagreement here Theo. Several of the shows I have seen over the > last couple of years have been on the heels of new albums. Each of > those artist played at least 5. King's X played all but one from Ear > Candy, Queensryche did 5-6 from Hear in the Now Frontier, Savatage > pulled 5 from Wake of Magellan. I'd like to see a bit more HF in the > setlist and maybe some of the lesser known songs from RBN (Shooting > Shark?). > I wouldn't mind hearing more stuff from HF either, say Damaged, or esp. CGLoD...Probably the fact that BOC's been around a lot longer than the groups you cited, and has so many more albums out there to pull material from. Also, though I hate saying it, those bands are still pretty much on the upswing, and are trying like hell to sell new albums to a crowd that is in a current time-frame, whilst BOC has to contend with the 'nostalgia thing...' > HF seems to be selling well enough anyway but Damaged and say Hammer > Back fit well with the current lineup. If you want to take it easy on > the Eric songs just sub , say Real World for Hammer Back. > That's great news. Hope it gives them the confidence to put out more stuff...BTW, John, any news on the Live album [BBC or King Biscuit] ? > >Oh, man, if I had a videocam... > > Somebody on this list is going to have to catch Jason on video. Hey, somebody videotaped the Kingsbury gig a while back, but jason didn't make that one. Maybe during the August mini-tour, the planets will be in allignment... ******************************* theo "...Power in the hands of fools..." From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Thu Jul 16 14:29:40 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 14:29:40 -0400 Subject: OFF: Olivia Tremor Control question Message-ID: >Well I think they're rather splendid. For those who don't know they're >from Athens, Georgia, are influenced by the Beatles, Beach Boys and Guided >By Voices. Their 27 song debut, "Music From The Unrealised Film Script: >Dusk At Cubist Castle" is well worth buying. They're on Blue Rose in the >UK, a label also worth checking out. Wow, something good actually came out of the Athens scene?!? OK, I do have the 1st B52s album, but I will never be a fan of R.E.M. OTC sounds interesting, plus you can't beat 27 songs for $13... I think I'll check it out. Thanks, Brian ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html "If you ask me, this is the high society!" -Brother J.C. Crawford ---------- >-- >================================================================= >ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com > >Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK > >Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 > >======================================================================= ===== From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Jul 16 15:23:14 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:23:14 -0400 Subject: OFF: Olivia Tremor Control question Message-ID: >Wow, something good actually came out of the Athens scene?!? OK, I do >have the 1st B52s album, but I will never be a fan of R.E.M. OTC sounds >interesting, plus you can't beat 27 songs for $13... Sure you can. ICU CD Rom, 126 songs for $20.00 And he took the stars in his hands and as he scattered them he'd shout: "I'm the Joker of the Universe! I'm What it's all about!" - "The Great Sun Jester" by Blue ?yster Cult (Eric Bloom, Michael Moorcock) -AAA From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Thu Jul 16 15:32:43 1998 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:32:43 EDT Subject: BOC: Yucaipa Show Info Message-ID: This is really bizarre, folks. Yucaipa is a really little town adjacent to my own little hometown, Redlands, and for there to be a concert there is so unlikely, so absolutely inconceivable...and BOC at that. Needlesstosay, I'll be there. If anyone else from the list will be there, please, let's plan on meeting up. I can't complain about inconvenience this time. Yucaipa...ha, ha, wow. Let me describe Yucaipa to you folks: A few fast food joints, a bank, a high school, a grocery store, a couple thrift shops, churches...and Blue Oyster Cult. Chuck From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Thu Jul 16 16:04:20 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:04:20 -0400 Subject: OFF: Olivia Tremor Control question Message-ID: >>plus you can't beat 27 songs for $13... >Sure you can. ICU CD Rom, 126 songs for $20.00 You've got me there. Brian ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html "If you ask me, this is the high society!" -Brother J.C. Crawford ---------- > And he took the stars in his hands > and as he scattered them he'd shout: > "I'm the Joker of the Universe! > I'm What it's all about!" > > - "The Great Sun Jester" > by Blue ?yster Cult (Eric Bloom, Michael Moorcock) > >-AAA From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Thu Jul 16 13:54:19 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David G) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:54:19 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind covers all: James Last Message-ID: > I remember looking for this years ago, but gave up... there's only so many > James last albums a person can look at before madness sets in :) I'd love > to hear it though! > > Dave > So would I! DaveG > >I should soon be in posession of a James Last cover of Silver Machine > >though I'm a little gobsmacked to discover this. Gotta be a must on tape > >5... > > > >FoFP > > > > From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Thu Jul 16 19:21:01 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:21:01 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind covers all: James Last In-Reply-To: <35AE3E4B.2D4C531E@virgin.net> Message-ID: At 18:54 16/07/98 +0100, you wrote: >> I remember looking for this years ago, but gave up... there's only so many >> James last albums a person can look at before madness sets in :) I'd love >> to hear it though! >> >> Dave >> > >So would I! > >DaveG > I have heard it! But not for over 20 years - it was a truly disorienting experience! Anybody at all familiar with the musical atrocities committed by James Last in the '70s could probably make a fair guess at what it sounds like - I think I'd find it funny now, but I was a lot more messianic in those days! ChrisW ObTV: 48hrs Free your mind & watch your ass! From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jul 17 04:53:08 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:53:08 +0100 Subject: OFF: Olivia Tremor Control question In-Reply-To: <35AE30EA.23572E6F@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: In article <35AE30EA.23572E6F at dial.pipex.com>, Stuart A Hamilton writes >Well I think they're rather splendid. For those who don't know they're >from Athens, Georgia, are influenced by the Beatles, Beach Boys and Guided >By Voices. Their 27 song debut, "Music From The Unrealised Film Script: >Dusk At Cubist Castle" is well worth buying. They're on Blue Rose in the >UK, a label also worth checking out. Agreed, they are dead, dead good. Their alter ego Neutral Milk Hotel are equally splendid. And they've got a new album out in a day or two. -- Jon ObCd Dr. Alimantado - Best Dressed Chicken In Town From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Jul 17 11:58:49 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:58:49 -0700 Subject: BOC:Yucaipa Show Info Message-ID: >Yucaipa...ha, ha, wow. Let me describe Yucaipa to you folks: A few fast food joints, a bank, a high school, a grocery store, a couple thrift shops, churches...and Blue Oyster Cult. Chuck Lock up the women and children! With the tix at $20+ I imagine the venue is rather small too. Perfect for seeing if Bucks finger nails are dirty. Ghost in the Ruins OBGreat Triumph song to cover - Ordinary Man (Allied Forces) From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Jul 17 12:33:35 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:33:35 -0500 Subject: BOC: Alive and Well in Bristol CT Message-ID: >I'd like to see a bit more HF in the > setlist and maybe some of the lesser known songs from RBN (Shooting > Shark?). > Theo said>I wouldn't mind hearing more stuff from HF either, say Damaged, or esp. CGLoD...Probably the fact that BOC's been around a lot longer than the groups you cited, and has so many more albums out there to pull material from. OK I did some math: KX - 6 (new one this fall) Savatage - 10 Queensryche - 7 BOC - (not counting lives and comps) - 10, strecth it with Imaginos, 11 A bit further most of BOC's were original vinyl so you get what , 45 min of music, 8-10 songs? All right lets call an apple an apple and compare a recent Sav show to BOC. Both had new albums released in the US. They have relatively the same amount of studio albums. Examine the setlist Savatage consisted mostly of material from the last 4 and a couple of way backs. They only played one song from Dead Winter Dead (title track), which proceeded the latest effort. Now BOC goes all the way back to the big three, and commercial two, with a few newbies that they have already been playing for years... Guess your right their age (i.e., nostalgia) is showing. Theo>Also, though I hate saying it, those bands are still pretty much on the upswing, and are trying like hell to sell new albums to a crowd that is in a current time-frame, whilst BOC has to contend with the 'nostalgia thing...' True, however is an unfamilair fan heard SYiB or HM on the radio and again in concert, is one additional song yet unheard enough to convince them to buy the new one? In some cases probably, in others not. I'd consider adding one to two more to the setlist and re-order this thing, Hammer Back as the opener, shove Burnin' and CoF down one, delete ETI and take it from there. > HF seems to be selling well enough anyway but Damaged and say Hammer Back fit well with the current lineup. If you want to take it easy on the Eric songs just sub , say Real World for Hammer Back. > Theo>That's great news. Hope it gives them the confidence to put out more stuff...BTW, John, any news on the Live album [BBC or King Biscuit] ? Yeah what gives? A while ago it looked like at least three different BOC releases this summer. I want the KB, real sucker for live BOC. > >Oh, man, if I had a videocam... > > Somebody on this list is going to have to catch Jason on video. Theo>Hey, somebody videotaped the Kingsbury gig a while back, but jason didn't make that one. Maybe during the August mini-tour, the planets will be in allignment... Smile for that camera Jason... Ghost in the Ruins OBGreat Triumph song to cover - Time Cannon/Killing Time (Thunder Seven) From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Jul 17 12:36:59 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:36:59 -0500 Subject: OFF: Whats up with Oz Fest? Message-ID: Just saw the ad for the local edition of Oz Fest. Ozzy, Megadeath, Coal Chambe, even Sevendust are on the main stage. Meanwhile Lemmy and Motorhead have been relegated to the second stage. OK I'm no longer an avid follower of the metal scene but this seems a bit weird to me; Motorhead second stage status? Must have missed a lot. Ghost in the Ruins From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Jul 17 12:57:02 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:57:02 -0400 Subject: OFF: Whats up with Oz Fest? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Jul 1998, BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: > Just saw the ad for the local edition of Oz Fest. Ozzy, Megadeath, Coal > Chambe, even Sevendust are on the main stage. Meanwhile Lemmy and > Motorhead have been relegated to the second stage. OK I'm no longer an > avid follower of the metal scene but this seems a bit weird to me; > Motorhead second stage status? Must have missed a lot. That sounds almost as sacrilegious as Govt. Mule being relegated to the second stage (and a 30 minute set) on the H.O.R.D.E. tour... Cheers, Paul. obCD-R: Govt. Mule, The Outback, Charlottesville, 5/23/98 (all acoustic) e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jul 17 13:11:30 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:11:30 EDT Subject: OFF: Whats up with Oz Fest? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Paul Mather > On Fri, 17 Jul 1998, BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: > > > Just saw the ad for the local edition of Oz Fest. Ozzy, Megadeath, Coal > > Chambe, even Sevendust are on the main stage. Meanwhile Lemmy and > > Motorhead have been relegated to the second stage. OK I'm no longer an > > avid follower of the metal scene but this seems a bit weird to me; > > Motorhead second stage status? Must have missed a lot. > > That sounds almost as sacrilegious as Govt. Mule being relegated to the > second stage (and a 30 minute set) on the H.O.R.D.E. tour... > Yeah, I can't see Lemmy going for that one at all. Maybe they did something to sweeten the deal for them? I also can't imagine GM being on a side stage. I had a feeling that might happen, so I didn't get tix for either HORDE gig in my area, as I would have been going mainly for GM. Last summer, GM and BOC played the same show, which only had one stage. GM played over an hour, and BOC about an hour. You shoulda been there! ******************************* theo "...Power in the hands of fools..." From mordru at FLITE.NET Fri Jul 17 13:18:00 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:18:00 -0400 Subject: OFF: Whats up with Oz Fest? Message-ID: >Just saw the ad for the local edition of Oz Fest. Ozzy, Megadeath, Coal >Chambe, even Sevendust are on the main stage. Meanwhile Lemmy and >Motorhead have been relegated to the second stage. OK I'm no longer an >avid follower of the metal scene but this seems a bit weird to me; >Motorhead second stage status? Must have missed a lot. Yeah but they're headlining the second stage. And one of the other 1st stage bands is Tool. And he took the stars in his hands and as he scattered them he'd shout: "I'm the Joker of the Universe! I'm What it's all about!" - "The Great Sun Jester" by Blue ?yster Cult (Eric Bloom, Michael Moorcock) -AAA From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Jul 17 15:04:16 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:04:16 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind covers all: James Last Message-ID: He seems to be a bit of a closet rocker, our James. As part of my record dealing sideline, an acquaintance who knows of my penchant for strange cover versions brought in an album with the Minutemen doing Van Halens "Ain't Talking Bout Love" and a James Last live album with "Radar Love" by Golden Earring! And he does a killer Elvis medley. Zeit David G wrote: > > I remember looking for this years ago, but gave up... there's only so many > > James last albums a person can look at before madness sets in :) I'd love > > to hear it though! > > > > Dave > > > > So would I! > > DaveG > > > >I should soon be in posession of a James Last cover of Silver Machine > > >though I'm a little gobsmacked to discover this. Gotta be a must on tape > > >5... > > > > > >FoFP > > > > > > -- ================================================================= ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 =========================================================================== From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Fri Jul 17 22:57:45 1998 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:57:45 PDT Subject: tBS: Peter Bohovesky Review Message-ID: Peter Bohovesky *WARNING* - Some of the words contained in this review are of the type of word that some people have been conditioned to find offensive. However, as there truly is no such thing as a bad word, the ideas behind many of these are actually quite filthy. Anyone still reading at this point is really just asking for it. --------------------------------------------------------------------- We were all young once (hell, some of us still are), and we all did things for mind-bogglingly stupid reasons. Much of the music that shaped the "deformative" years of my misspent youth was purchased for different reasons. Sometimes we wanted something to play at parties, sometimes we needed to crank something at deafening volumes behind a locked bedroom door that would make our parents shake their heads in disgust and say "I'm telling you mother, the boy isn't right." Oh heck, I purchased a copy of Ted Nugent's "Double Live Gonzo" for one reason and one reason only. Ted said "fuck", and other choice words several times and it was a plenty good reason to separate me from my limited funds to own a copy. It seems stupid now, sure, but some old habits are hard to break. Even in my mid thirties, I can still be easily swayed to buy an album with songs about geriatric genitalia, masturbation, and having the pride and ability to take an enormous crap. The name Peter Bohevesky has been in my personal vocabulary ever since I discovered the unique band "The Brain Surgeons" and fell in love with their weird and somewhat off-center style of music. In 1997, this Brain Surgeons guitarist released a bizarre collection of music simply entitled "Peter Bohovesky". Before purchasing the CD I had no idea what the musical style of it would be. I half expected it to be much like The Brain Surgeons, but I can't lie; it was a sick and depraved curiosity about the twisted song titles that pulled me in for a closer look. There are eighteen songs on the hour long CD, and while on the first spin many of them sounded very much alike, it was after a few plays that I started to fall in sync with the different music styles on the album. Mr. Bohovesky has certainly listened to a few Frank Zappa albums in his day, as I see Zappa's influence somewhere on better than half of the collection. Mix that up with a healthy pile of Weird Al Yankovic and vocals filled with layered harmonies, and you have an album my mother would certainly love to hate. On the cover of the CD, which features a strange looking profile of Bohovesky, Peter gives us a "warning" and an "explanation" about the songs contained within. The warning I can understand, but his reason for creating this album almost sounds like an apology for creating something of extremely poor quality. Referring to it as a "turd in a bottle" cast into a sea of people who have not appreciated his "real" music, I think sells this uniquely wonderful album a bit short. Yes, most of the songs ARE about some extremely sick subjects, but the musical songwriting is nothing short of brilliant. Peter does all the vocals on the album, with a peppering of guest musicians doing what they do best, including the one and only Albert Bouchard slapping the skins on a few tunes. The album kicks off in a beautifully sick manner with a reworked version of The Brain Surgeons song "Donkey Show", a song about a woman with the vaginal chutzpah to have intercourse with a donkey. While not as hard hitting as the Surgeons version, the song is a nice inclusion in that the lyrics are somewhat different. Song styles range thereafter from the Satriani-like jamming on "Pichones" to the soft and mellow horn section on a serene caressing of the senses called "Grandma's Vagina". "Tanked up and Horny" had me howling with laughter the first time I heard it, as Peter starts the song with a sound bite of one of my all time favorite lines from one of my all time favorite movies, "Blazing Saddles". The lyrics are kindly provided, and Bohovesky has also seen the need to give a few songs a bit of eye opening explanation as to how and why and where they came from. "No Meat" stems from an experience Peter had when he tried to have simultaneous sex with two lesbians, only to have them "have at" each other instead, leaving Peter to relieve himself in the traditional solo method. But that is not saying that the entire album is silly (silly being a euphemism for pornographic and grotesque). There are a few songs that are on the borderline of strange but don't quite plunge themselves over the silliness cliff. "Last Laugh" deals with having a shrewish and pestersome spouse who sucks the life out of your soul (that almost NEVER happens in real life though), and songs like "Let Go" (NOT, I repeat NOT a remake of the Blue Oyster Cult song) and the acoustic gem "Nothing Good" seem almost deeply philosophical in comparison to the more lewd songs on the album. My single petty complaint about the album is in the song order. The album almost seems to be laid out in three separate "sections" due to song content. Starting off with a run of songs that one might call "suggestive" but that never really let loose into over the top "filth", the album then goes into it's "middle", a more serious side. Having that out of the way, the last five songs or so on the album are tunes that were obviously written to be outright assaults on our good taste, all averaging under two minutes each. The album, as fantastic as it is, would have sounded much better if the song order had been tossed around (no pun intended) to stagger the short and crude songs with the longer, more musically oriented, guitar driven numbers. Regardless of order, the final song on the album "Auto Erotica" always makes me chuckle, shake my head, and wonder if the wonderfully demented Mr. Bohovesky drank his own bath water occasionally as a child. This song, which is basically a twist on the main riff from the classic "No Particular Place to Go", deals with the joys of masturbating.... while driving around in a car with a constricting noose cutting off one's windpipe. Ok, maybe this album isn't for everyone. So this review can serve as either an invitation or a warning. If you can get past the totally tasteless lyrics (or embrace them as I have), you will find a musical masterpiece filled with unique and somewhat quirky sounds and wonderfully distinctive song writing. A rare album that will undoubtedly be harder and harder to find as it gets older, this CD was certainly "bigger" than I once imagined when I chuckled my way through the song titles. But like Peter says in "Bobby Floats a Fence Post", a song about pinching a turd so immense that it's a MUST for people to gather around and look at.... "Sometimes the little things in life, turn out quite colossal." Robert "Torgo" Sedler Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** Torgo at norwich.net DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos *********************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Sat Jul 18 05:21:50 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David G) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:21:50 +0100 Subject: OFF: Ozrics Message-ID: Seems the Ozric Tentacles have pulled out of the Portsmouth Music in the Square. Replacement is Timeshard. Dave From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Jul 18 09:33:44 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 14:33:44 +0100 Subject: OFF: Whats up with Oz Fest? In-Reply-To: <199807171718.NAA24294@in.flite.net> Message-ID: In article <199807171718.NAA24294 at in.flite.net>, Andrew A. Apold writes >Yeah but they're headlining the second stage. Spiritualized invariably headline the second stage at these things. Until it became *absolutely* nuts, so did The Verve. It's a good tactic. Headlining the second stage is equivalent to about 3rd or at most 4th on the bill, on the main stage. Think about it, would you rather headline Stage 2 or do the main stage at around 3 in afternoon? -- Jon From john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM Sat Jul 18 17:00:44 1998 From: john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM (john.m.gray) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 14:00:44 -0700 Subject: Metal Doremi Shield/cd Message-ID: Does anyone remember who was selling that "limited Edition" Do Re MI Shield with the Undisclosed Files cd? Thanks, John From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Sat Jul 18 17:46:15 1998 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:46:15 +0100 Subject: BOC: Great Sun Jester Message-ID: With all the talk about this track recently, I just found a tape which I`d forgotten I even had from the mirrors tour which has Great Sun Jester on (well listed. Have to check later but it should be there). Chicargo 12/11/79. Not sure if the date is in US or UK format. Si ----- "I`ve got 'some' answers to 'most' of your questions!" The Alice Cooper Trivia File - http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/intro.html My Tubes Page - http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/7998/ From nexus at PANIX.COM Sat Jul 18 18:00:09 1998 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:00:09 -0400 Subject: OFF: Whats up with Oz Fest? In-Reply-To: from "Jon Browne" at Jul 18, 98 02:33:44 pm Message-ID: >>Yeah but they're headlining the second stage. >Headlining the second stage is equivalent to about 3rd or at most 4th on >the bill, on the main stage. >Think about it, would you rather headline Stage 2 or do the main stage >at around 3 in afternoon? 'Tis better to reign in Hell .... JB From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Jul 18 20:21:32 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 17:21:32 PDT Subject: Hawkwind covers all: James Last Message-ID: >He seems to be a bit of a closet rocker, our James. As part of my record >dealing sideline, an acquaintance who knows of my penchant for strange cover >versions brought in an album with the Minutemen doing Van Halens "Ain't Talking >Bout Love" and a James Last live album with "Radar Love" by Golden Earring! > The Minutemen album in question is _Double Nickels on the Dime_ a killer double LP from SST. It also boasts a Steely Dan cover _Doctor Wu_, a Creedence Clearwater Revival cover _Don't Look Now_ and in the credits on the sleeve they thank Richard Meltzer for writing Stairway to the Stars. On their LP _Three Way Tie for Last_ they do a stonkin' rendition of _The Red and the Black_. But, I suspect, you all knew this. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sat Jul 18 20:30:56 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:30:56 +0100 Subject: Metal Doremi Shield/cd In-Reply-To: john.m.gray's message of Sat, 18 Jul 1998 14:00:44 -0700 Message-ID: Hi John What a very interesting question! john.m.gray writes: > Does anyone remember who was selling that "limited Edition" Do Re MI Shield > with the Undisclosed Files cd? > Thanks, > John > Funny - but I was just tidying my filing the other day and lamenting the fact this this was clearly another case where I had been comprehensively ripped off by some piss merchant. I'm getting seriously suspicious about almost all mail order now - unless I've traded with them before or know someone who will vouch for them. It may mean my Hawkwind collection stops growing but it saves me losing cash to someone else's pocket money holiday fund. The distributors were Isotope Music near Toronto in Canada and the guy dealing with it was someone called Jerry (tel: 905 333 3001). They were using a US Box No. address because of a Canadian Postal Strike at the time (November 1997) - which I thought was plausible but should have made me suspicious I guess. It was around that time that Griffin folded so I rather assumed that the box-shield thingy never got itself made and/or maybe never existed at all except in someone's imagination - but I never got my money back either. 8-( Anyhow - for what it's worth the address was: CG Publishing Inc., Box 1952, Lombard, Illinois, 60148 jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sat Jul 18 20:36:48 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:36:48 +0100 Subject: OFF: Whats up with Oz Fest? In-Reply-To: Jeff Berry's message of Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:00:09 -0400 Message-ID: Jeff Berry writes: > >>Yeah but they're headlining the second stage. > >Headlining the second stage is equivalent to about 3rd or at most 4th on > >the bill, on the main stage. > >Think about it, would you rather headline Stage 2 or do the main stage > >at around 3 in afternoon? > > 'Tis better to reign in Hell .... Caught some of the Oz Fest on the Friday Rock Show on VH1 along with some excellent videos of past Ozzy and very past Black Sabbath. Ah - I almost felt young again....... wonderful stuff 8-) Didn't see any Lemmy tho. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Sat Jul 18 21:33:25 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:33:25 -0700 Subject: Metal Doremi Shield/cd In-Reply-To: <199807190030.BAA18907@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: > Hi John > > What a very interesting question! > > john.m.gray writes: > > > Does anyone remember who was selling that "limited Edition" Do > Re MI Shield > > with the Undisclosed Files cd? > > Thanks, > > John > > > > Funny - but I was just tidying my filing the other day and lamenting the > fact this this was clearly another case where I had been comprehensively > ripped off by some piss merchant. I'm getting seriously suspicious > about almost all mail order now - unless I've traded with them before or > know someone who will vouch for them. It may mean my Hawkwind > collection stops growing but it saves me losing cash to someone else's > pocket money holiday fund. > > The distributors were Isotope Music near Toronto in Canada and the > guy dealing with it was someone called Jerry (tel: 905 333 3001). > They were using a US Box No. address because of a Canadian Postal > Strike at the time (November 1997) - which I thought was plausible > but should have made me suspicious I guess. It was around that > time that Griffin folded so I rather assumed that the box-shield > thingy never got itself made and/or maybe never existed at all > except in someone's imagination - but I never got my money back > either. 8-( > > Anyhow - for what it's worth the address was: > > CG Publishing Inc., Box 1952, Lombard, Illinois, 60148 > > jill I got mine, so it's not a (complete) rip-off. I remember there was some question about the PO Box number, posted once as 1952, and another time as 1592. I don't remember what the correct one was, but a trip through the archives might turn up the answer... Kevin Sommers ? Primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu ? http://www.psn.net/~novadrive/ From john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM Sun Jul 19 03:39:24 1998 From: john.m.gray at MCI2000.COM (john.m.gray) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 00:39:24 -0700 Subject: Shield CD Message-ID: Jill, Here is their web site: www.cgpublishing.com John From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Jul 19 04:07:09 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 09:07:09 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind covers all: James Last Message-ID: Horse Whisperer wrote: > > > The Minutemen album in question is _Double Nickels on the Dime_ a killer > double LP from SST. It also boasts a Steely Dan cover _Doctor Wu_, a > Creedence Clearwater Revival cover _Don't Look Now_ and in the credits > on the sleeve they thank Richard Meltzer for writing Stairway to the > Stars. On their LP _Three Way Tie for Last_ they do a stonkin' > rendition of _The Red and the Black_. > > But, I suspect, you all knew this. > > Chris. Nope. it's all news to me. I had never heard anything by the Minutemen until this week. In fact all I knew about them was Mike Watt. The album I have is a compilation called The Blasting Concept Volume II. And the actual reason I took it off his hands was the version of I Just Want To Make Love To You by the Meat Puppets, but the Minutemen track is a corker. The album also features Black Flag, Husker Du, Saint Vitus amongst many others. Good stuff. Zeit > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- ================================================================= ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 =========================================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Jul 19 04:11:19 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 09:11:19 +0100 Subject: OFF: Whats up with Oz Fest? Message-ID: J Strobridge wrote: > Caught some of the Oz Fest on the Friday Rock Show on VH1 along with > some excellent videos of past Ozzy and very past Black Sabbath. Ah - > I almost felt young again....... wonderful stuff 8-) > > Didn't see any Lemmy tho. > > jill > > That's because it was the UK Ozfest at Milton Keynes which had the pleasure(?) of attending. The music was great (Sabbath with Vinnie Appice standing in for the ill Bill Ward - which makes yet another Sabbath lineup!, Slayer and Pantera all on the one day. Pleasant surprise of the day were the Foo Fighters who I'd always ignored but they put on a damn good show. The downside - UK summer with it's rain and mud. Sabbath were good but not a patch on the Birmingham shows of last December. Zeit -- ================================================================= ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 =========================================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Jul 19 06:30:08 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 11:30:08 +0100 Subject: OFF: Whats up with Oz Fest? In-Reply-To: <35B1AA26.A4AE80A1@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: In article <35B1AA26.A4AE80A1 at dial.pipex.com>, Stuart A Hamilton writes >Pleasant surprise of the day were the Foo Fighters who I'd >always ignored but they put on a damn good show. Terrific live, aren't they? -- Jon From steven.chappell at VIRGIN.NET Sun Jul 19 17:00:34 1998 From: steven.chappell at VIRGIN.NET (Steven T Chappell) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:00:34 +0100 Subject: Help Message-ID: > Hope this reaches somebody who can offer assistance .being quite new to the internet newsgroups etc I recently lucked in to this Hawkwind/BOC newsgroup , and amazingly managed to get it to work. I got all the good info on how to work and utilise the system etc and stored the onfo in a safe file on the old hard drive. Yes you guessed it a recent hard drive failure meant a total reformat, so all that info on how to work , use etc the listserv system has gone. so I am trying a reply to sender e-mail in the hope that i will be able to get some assistance.as although it is great to read all this stuff I would like to participate on occasion. Re Hawkwind 1976 Recordings I have a tape from that era which when acquired back in 77 was supposed to be from a concert performed at the Manchester Free Trade Hall December 1976. Tracks on it are A:Paradox,Back On The Steets,City Of Lagoons,Hassan I Sahba,Brainstorm,Unidentified instrumental,Steppenwolf,Uncle Sam's On Mars. B:Time For Sale,Sonic Attack,Kerb Crawler, Encore Call,Medley :- Magnu,Masters of The Universe.concert end. concert start Assault & Battery,Golden Void,Magnu,Reefer Madness. I presume the tape was made up with the start of the concert in the middle of side b to get as much in as possible I was never sure, it's on a c120.I have not given it a listen to in ages but if I remember right the quality was not too bad. Another one I have if I remember correctly was quite a well known alternative tape in those days it was titled 'Going Bananas Over You'.I never wrote up a track listing for this one I will need to give it a play and see what is on it.I half remember that the quality was poor although I think it gave a recording of Hawkwind off the Greasy Truckers album, can't remember for sure. Steve From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Sun Jul 19 19:12:32 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:12:32 +0100 Subject: Help In-Reply-To: Steven T Chappell's message of Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:00:34 +0100 Message-ID: Hi Steve Steven T Chappell writes: > Re Hawkwind 1976 Recordings > I have a tape from that era which when acquired back in 77 was supposed > to be from a concert performed at the Manchester Free Trade Hall > December 1976. Did Hawkwind play in Manchester in December that year? I've only got listed Dec 10: Bracknell Sports Center Dec 11: Southend Kursal They played at Manchester Palace on September 18. Maybe Bernhard can help here? > Tracks on it are > A:Paradox,Back On The Steets,City Of Lagoons,Hassan I > Sahba,Brainstorm,Unidentified instrumental,Steppenwolf,Uncle Sam's On > Mars. > B:Time For Sale,Sonic Attack,Kerb Crawler, Encore Call,Medley :- > Magnu,Masters of The Universe.concert end. > concert start Assault & Battery,Golden Void,Magnu,Reefer Madness. > > I presume the tape was made up with the start of the concert in the > middle of side b to get as much in as possible I was never sure, it's on > a c120.I have not given it a listen to in ages but if I remember right > the quality was not too bad. I've got tracklists for Ipswich Gaumont (02 October 1976): Reefer Madness/ Paradox/ Chronoglide Skyway/ Hassan I Sahba/ Brainstorm/ Wind of Change/ Steppenwolf/ Uncle Sam's on Mars// Time For Sale/ Back on the Streets/ Sonic Attack/ Kerb Crawler/ Magnu/ Master of the Universe/ Welcome to the Future// and Hammersmith Odeon (05 October 1976) exactly the same as above. I'm not sure what the extra bits on yours are - possibly the start of a recording from another gig? Or maybe the person making the copies fell asleep over his tape deck or went out to the pub or something and the machine was set for a repeat loop. When this happens the beginning of the gig winds up at the end of the tape - it's been known! > Another one I have if I remember correctly was quite a well known > alternative tape in those days it was titled 'Going Bananas Over You'.I > never wrote up a track listing for this one I will need to give it a > play and see what is on it.I half remember that the quality was poor > although I think it gave a recording of Hawkwind off the Greasy Truckers > album, can't remember for sure. If it *is* the Greasy Truckers session then you can probably find better quality versions of most of the tracks on CD now. But I can't remember for sure so best check the Codex jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sun Jul 19 19:50:13 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:50:13 +0100 Subject: tBS: Peter Bohovesky Review (offensive?) In-Reply-To: <19980718025746.24800.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: At 19:57 17/07/98 PDT, you wrote: > But like Peter says in "Bobby Floats a >Fence Post", a song about pinching a turd so immense that it's a MUST >for people to gather around and look at.... > >"Sometimes the little things in life, turn out quite colossal." Q: Why are turds tapered? * * * * * * * * * A: So that your arse doesn't close with a bang! ChrisW Free your mind & watch your ass! From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Sun Jul 19 19:58:05 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:58:05 +0100 Subject: OFF: Lemmy's fizzog (was Whats up with Oz Fest?) In-Reply-To: <199807190036.BAA19250@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Jill wrote: >Didn't see any Lemmy tho. > >jill > He can be seen currently - he's on the cover of "The Taste" which is a (relativley) new magazine about all things beer! He's the current featured celebrity in their "My First Pint" series. ChrisW Free your mind & watch your ass! From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Mon Jul 20 01:41:13 1998 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:41:13 -0500 Subject: HW: Dave Brock: Master of His Universe Message-ID: Has this link to this article been sent out already? Don't think so . . . Dave Brock: Master of His Universe http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/1831/brock.html Found it at: Expose http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/1831/expo-nl.html From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Mon Jul 20 02:40:04 1998 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:40:04 +0200 Subject: AW: Help Message-ID: Hi there Steve > Did Hawkwind play in Manchester in December that year? > They did not > They played at Manchester Palace on September 18. Maybe Bernhard can > help here? > I suppose (or: I am very sure) Steve is talking about this tape A couple of weeks ago I had the same problem that Steve has. Now I know that there exist 2 different track-list versions from this gig. I had the tape with the WRONG track-list with a "6" quality. I compared this tape with the other tapes from this tour and found that the other tapes had different (but correct) track-listings. It was then Mike who sent me a tape with the correct track-listing but only in a quality around "4-5" I'll give you the correct track-listing (and some more information) after returning home today afternoon cheers Bernhard From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Mon Jul 20 03:01:53 1998 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 01:01:53 -0600 Subject: MotorHead & Legendary Pink Dots Reccommendations please Message-ID: Hi! Happy summer-it's a nice balmy 80degrees here at 1am! Anyhow-I'm curious- again :) Motorhead I've maybe-if I remember right-heard at a party years ago-can someone refresh my memory as to their sound? And possibly a disc to start with? Remember-I'll listen to anything ( well almost) once I , like most of us, I figure, have a very wide ranging taste. On the other-I;ve got a couple of great LPD cd's-their latest "Hallway of the Gods", "It's Raining In Heaven" an "Under Triple Moons"- a comp cd of older , unreleased personal tape stuff, etc. The first two I mentioned are awesome , Hallway being the best of the three. What others are as good as these two? I'm afraid my wallet is gonna regret this one!! Oh well:) Thanx for any help in advance:) Rock on! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool > john.m.gray writes: > > > Does anyone remember who was selling that "limited Edition" Do Re MI > > Shield with the Undisclosed Files cd? Thanks, John On 19 Jul 98, at 1:30, J Strobridge wrote: > Funny - but I was just tidying my filing the other day and lamenting the > fact this this was clearly another case where I had been comprehensively > ripped off by some piss merchant. ... > The distributors were Isotope Music near Toronto in Canada and the > guy dealing with it was someone called Jerry (tel: 905 333 3001). (etc) Hmmm. Rob Goodwin was the one who first mentioned to me about this box, and also told me that Isotope bought all the Griffin stock when it was released from liquidation. So I'm a little surprised that you have had trouble with them Soniqu? (back in Oz ... phew!) From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Jul 20 00:18:03 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 04:18:03 +0000 Subject: MotorHead & Legendary Pink Dots Reccommendations please Message-ID: > Motorhead I've maybe-if I remember right-heard at a party years ago-can > someone refresh my memory as to their sound? And possibly a disc to > start with? I would easily recommend Motorhead's latest, "Snakebite Love". It's the perfect mix of old-school, rip-and-tear Motormusic and slick, "you-mean-I've-got-a-budget-this-time" experimentation that's made their 90s albums so unique. Motorhead are quite an acquired taste...but taste varies so widely on this list that I doubt anyone here couldn't handle it. As a longtime fan and total convert to Lemmy's Electric Church, even I have to admit it took repeated listens before I could get into this band. But I'm a total believer. I don't care what anybody says...Lemmy is THE most underappreciated rock lyricist of all time. -- Nick From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Mon Jul 20 04:39:32 1998 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:39:32 +0100 Subject: OFF: MotorHead Reccommendations please Message-ID: Hi Pam, Motorhead - everyone on the planet must have 'Ace of Spades' by now. (except that little old man in the Tibetan Mountains maybe...) Anyway, I think you've heard plenty of Hawkwind. Think of Space Ritual/ Doremi era Hawks, without synths, bit faster, & you're about there. Recommended - No Sleep 'Til Hammersmith (classic live album with the best known line up of Lemmy/Fast Eddie/Animal) Better still - go see them live. If you live, you're a fan :) Cheers, Neil. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jul 20 05:45:09 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:45:09 +0000 Subject: MotorHead & Legendary Pink Dots Reccommendations please Message-ID: On m?n 20 jul 1998 04.18 +0000 "" wrote: > I would easily recommend Motorhead's latest, "Snakebite Love". It's > the perfect mix of old-school, rip-and-tear Motormusic and slick, > "you-mean-I've-got-a-budget-this-time" experimentation that's made > their 90s albums so unique. All of Motorhead's albums from _1916_ on have been top notch (excepting _March or Die_, which was, IMO, pretty bad :) > Motorhead are quite an acquired taste...but taste varies so widely on > this list that I doubt anyone here couldn't handle it. As a longtime > fan and total convert to Lemmy's Electric Church, even I have to > admit it took repeated listens before I could get into this band. But > I'm a total believer. I don't care what anybody says...Lemmy is THE > most underappreciated rock lyricist of all time. I started by listening to the old _No Remorse_ compilation of early stuff and a few other compilations which featured slightly more recent things. Actually, I spent a _lot_ of time watching some of the old live videos like the Birthday Party one and the 1916 tour one. It did take some repeated listening, but then it seems to me I suddenly realize "where they were at", what it was all about. And I was utterly hooked. Lemmy is a stunning lyricist. Motorhead swerve madly through a wild combination of the deeply thought provoking (!) and straight up "booze 'n' broads" rock 'n' roll. And at high speed :) If someone had told me when I was a teenager than I would become a big Motorhead fan, I would have been dumbstruck. So you can never tell. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Jul 20 01:40:45 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 05:40:45 +0000 Subject: MotorHead & Legendary Pink Dots Reccommendations please Message-ID: > Lemmy is a stunning lyricist. Motorhead swerve madly through > a wild combination of the deeply thought provoking (!) and > straight up "booze 'n' broads" rock 'n' roll. And at high > speed :) When I was a kid, a friend of mine used to make fun of me all the time for listening to Motorhead. He would call it "music for the less intelligent". Meanwhile, he was bangin' his head to stuff like Stryper, Ratt, Quiet Riot, etc. -- basically any "metal" that was big on MTV at the time. After years of trying to argue with the idiot, I finally just decided it was best to walk away, chuckling to myself. -- Nick From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Jul 20 07:40:00 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:40:00 +0100 Subject: OFF: New Hawkfan Message-ID: No, not a new issue of the fanzine -- I've got a son, Micheal Lachlan Berry, born on 19th June. So far he's shown the good taste to like Ozric Tentacles and Anubian Lights. We'll have to see how he fares with the Space Ritual! Dave. P.S. Now I can join the Militant Parents Assocation, with their endearing chant: "What do we want? -- More sleep! When do we want it? -- Now!" :-) Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From iscladoc at IDIR.NET Mon Jul 20 08:17:41 1998 From: iscladoc at IDIR.NET (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:17:41 -0500 Subject: OFF: New Hawkfan In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980720124000.00997e40@mailhost.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Dave Berry wrote: > No, not a new issue of the fanzine -- I've got a son, Micheal Lachlan > Berry, born on 19th June. So far he's shown the good taste to like Ozric > Tentacles and Anubian Lights. We'll have to see how he fares with the > Space Ritual! Congratulations Dave! > P.S. Now I can join the Militant Parents Assocation, with their endearing > chant: > "What do we want? -- More sleep! > When do we want it? -- Now!" :-) Is that similar to the verses from Motorhead? MOTORHEAD ( - Kilminster - ) Sunrise wrong side of another day Sky-high and six thousand miles away Don't know how long I've been awake Wound up in an amazing state ... Brained out total amnesia Get some mental anaesthesia Don't move, I'll shut the door and kill the lights ... Fourth day, five day marathon We're moving like a parallelogram Don't move, the morning's not a pretty sight I guess I'll see you on the ice outside I should be tired, and all I am is wired I Ain't felt this good for an hour Motorhead, remember me now Motorhead 8-) 8-) Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. iscladoc at idir.net RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. Visit the Dreaming City: http://www.rpg.net/ehp/imrryr "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Mon Jul 20 08:33:01 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:33:01 -0400 Subject: tBS: Jason's Army (was RE: BOC: Alive and Well in Bristol CT) Message-ID: >>> Somebody on this list is going to have to catch Jason on video. >Theo>Hey, somebody videotaped the Kingsbury gig a while back, but jason >>didn't make that one. Maybe during the August mini-tour, the planets >>will be in allignment... >Smile for that camera Jason... Last night I met my roomate's new girlfriend for the first time. She said she's going to school at Potsdam State (where Jason went) and knew him really well. Now she's going to the Surgeons show in Rochester so she can see him freak-out! Jason may be expanding the ranks of Surgeons fans without even knowing it :-) Brian ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html "We are drawing a moustache on the wanted poster of the face of music." -Fierce Wicker ---------- >Ghost in the Ruins > >OBGreat Triumph song to cover - Time Cannon/Killing Time (Thunder Seven) From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Jul 20 09:40:17 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 06:40:17 -0700 Subject: OFF: More Ozfest Message-ID: >Think about it, would you rather headline Stage 2 or do the main stage at around 3 in afternoon? Well I dunno. Will folks pay much attention to whats happening on stage two? >'Tis better to reign in Hell .... Could be very right. Just seems to me as well known as they are you'd want them on stage one, at the very least ensure their name can be seen in the advertisement. As it is unless you look really hard you don't know Motorhead is part of the bill. >That sounds almost as sacrilegious as Govt. Mule being >relegated to the second stage (and a 30 minute set) on the >H.O.R.D.E. tour... >Cheers, >Paul. Whew that is bad. Did Mule fans riot? Maybe Blues Traveller wanted it that way so the Mule would not steal the spotlight. This is definitely one band I would not want to open for me; I'd be very afraid the audience would be crying out for more after my set had started. Recommended Motorhead - Pam W., there is a compilation called Welcome to the Bear Trap. Probably can find this on cassette or CD very cheap. Some live songs included. Ghost in the Ruins OBCDWaiting for - King's X Tapehead (Oct. 98) OBTriumph Track to Cover - Stranger in a Strange Land (Thunder 7) OB Babe to use for your Windows wallpaper - Catherine Zeta-Jones From simplius at SOFTHOME.NET Mon Jul 20 10:34:32 1998 From: simplius at SOFTHOME.NET (Goran Janicijevic) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:34:32 GMT Subject: Poor fuckin' humans on COL:TMY Message-ID: Someone here wrote that on Career Of Evil: The Metal Years, isn't heard the phrase "You poor fuckin' humans" at the Black Blade's fade-out. I have an European (Dutch) copy of TMY, and it is heard in the same way as it is on Cultosaurus. So, maybe it is something wrong with the american copy? Goran Janicijevic From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jul 20 11:06:05 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:06:05 -0400 Subject: BOC: Biscuit CD Message-ID: Howdy folks! I'm back after some vacation - "it's so lonely in the state of Maine", but I had a blast anyway. Sounds like tBS kicked ass all over the place, as I knew they would. Another "Torgo Review" to add to the Post-Op. Someone asked about the King Biscuit Flower Hour CD - the last word I heard on it, and this was probably in April, was that the CD was at that time scheduled for an October release. I've heard nothing further. I'm sure that when more is known, there will be info at the BOC Fanclub website (www.bocfanclub.com), since Bolle was presumably assisting with track selection. Rumor has it that "Wings of Mercury" (from the 1986 broadcast - the one found on the *Into the Crypts of Rays* CD) may be on it... John From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jul 20 08:14:40 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:14:40 +0100 Subject: MotorHead & Legendary Pink Dots Reccommendations please In-Reply-To: <169857.3109916709@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <169857.3109916709 at cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk>, Carl Edlund Anderson writes > All of Motorhead's albums from _1916_ on have been top notch >(excepting _March or Die_, which was, IMO, pretty bad :) And the ones before are even better! Overkill, Ace Of Spades, even No Remorse! can there ever be a bigger rush than Ace of Spades, I wonder? -- Jon From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Mon Jul 20 11:54:33 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:54:33 +0200 Subject: Help In-Reply-To: <35B25E72.2EE7@virgin.net> Message-ID: Hi again, here is the correct track-listing 18.09.76, MANCHESTER, PALACE THEATRE, 85/6 paradox / instrumental / back on the streets / chronoglide skyway / hassan i sahba / brainstorm I / right stuff / brainstorm II / wind of change / steppenwolf / uncle sam's on mars / time for sale / sonic attack / kerb crawler / magnu / paranoia / master of the universe Bernhard From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Jul 20 12:14:05 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:14:05 +0100 Subject: MotorHead & Legendary Pink Dots Reccommendations please Message-ID: It's got to be OVERKILL. I remember being in row B of the Odeon in 1979 right next to Lemmys bass bin. At least I think I remember, I've never been quite the same since. Zeit > And the ones before are even better! > > Overkill, Ace Of Spades, even No Remorse! > > can there ever be a bigger rush than Ace of Spades, I wonder? > -- > Jon -- ================================================================= ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 =========================================================================== From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jul 20 13:11:09 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:11:09 +0100 Subject: Metal Doremi Shield/cd In-Reply-To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?='s message of Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:03:42 +1000 Message-ID: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Soniqu=E9?= writes: > > john.m.gray writes: > > > > > Does anyone remember who was selling that "limited Edition" Do Re MI > > > Shield with the Undisclosed Files cd? Thanks, John > > On 19 Jul 98, at 1:30, J Strobridge wrote: > > > Funny - but I was just tidying my filing the other day and lamenting the > > fact this this was clearly another case where I had been comprehensively > > ripped off by some piss merchant. > ... > > > The distributors were Isotope Music near Toronto in Canada and the > > guy dealing with it was someone called Jerry (tel: 905 333 3001). > (etc) > > Hmmm. Rob Goodwin was the one who first mentioned to me about this box, and > also told me that Isotope bought all the Griffin stock when it was released > from liquidation. So I'm a little surprised that you have had trouble with > them yes - judging by everyone's support it can't have been Isotope's fault so I'm probably just another victim of the voracious appetite of the American Postal Service. Not to worry - I gave it up as lost a long time ago and had become resigned to the situation. I'm glad to hear copies do exist tho'. ta jill obWeekendOccupation> Mouse trapping ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Jul 20 13:55:10 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:55:10 -0400 Subject: MotorHead & Legendary Pink Dots Reccommendations please Message-ID: Nick suggests... >> Motorhead I've maybe-if I remember right-heard at a party years ago-can >> someone refresh my memory as to their sound? And possibly a disc to >> start with? > >I would easily recommend Motorhead's latest, "Snakebite Love". It's >the perfect mix of old-school, rip-and-tear Motormusic and slick, >"you-mean-I've-got-a-budget-this-time" experimentation that's made >their 90s albums so unique. > >Motorhead are quite an acquired taste...but taste varies so widely on >this list that I doubt anyone here couldn't handle it. As a longtime >fan and total convert to Lemmy's Electric Church, even I have to >admit it took repeated listens before I could get into this band. Yeah, I think this is true for just about everyone. I was 17 in 1981, and having just spent the prior few months listening constantly to Space Ritual, I saw the brand new 'No Sleep till Hammersmith' appear on the local record store shelves. Well, it's Lemmy eh?, it's got to be good. I was only halfway through Ace of Spades when I had realized my mistake. :) So it was literally years before I realized what a classic album this is! I'd say my favourites are: No Sleep 'till Hammersmith Orgasmatron 1916 Another Perfect Day (as 'Levitation' is to Hawkwind, 'APD' is to Motorhead) Bastards The only ones I really don't care for that much are... March or Die Rock 'n' Roll Iron Fist >But I'm a total believer. I don't care what anybody says...Lemmy is THE >most underappreciated rock lyricist of all time. Absolutely...I mean, who else could come up with something as poignant as 'We're moving like a parallelogram'? :) And then try to rhyme 'fun' with 'gum'. When it comes to MH live...look out! Over the seven or eight times I've seen them, they've gone from tolerably loud to unbelievably frightening loud. Usually, the more tolerable volume shows are the ones where they played support, like for Slayer, Black Sabbath or Judas Priest (on that five-band megatour six years ago or so). When headlining, they can be simply exhausting!! Usually, they only play 75-80 minutes at most regardless, and that's enough! I don't think I could take much more, and anyway, it's really 120 minutes worth of music, simply played at 150% of the normal pace, so you're not really being cheated. :) Have fun...Keith P.S. Based on what you previously said about LPD, I picked up a used CD copy of 'The Maria Dimension' (or something like that)....it's pretty decent. ObCD: SubArachnoid Space - Endless Renovation From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Mon Jul 20 14:08:39 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:08:39 +0200 Subject: HW: Strange Daze Europe '99 Message-ID: Hi folks Received a very interesting phonecall yesterday from FILIP VANHUYSE a great Hawkwindfan from Belgium. Filip and another guy from Belgium who is arranging HM festivals since many years are trying to do a very special event in August 1999 near Limbourg (Belgium) very close to the German border. They are trying to get the following bands for this event: - Hawkwind - Bedouin - Nik Turner + band - Harvey Bainbridge + band - Huw Lloyd langton + band The place where the bands will play is very close to a railway station. The bands do not need to bring their lights or PA. It is all there. This place is really made for festivals with stage, toiletts, campground and all we need (eating and drinking). The costs for us won't be to high. The organizer said that he only needs 25 US$ from each person. And he needs about 700-800 people to come to get paid for his expenses. Most of the money he will get with advertising Filip is a VERY GOOD friend (!!!) of Dave Brock and he is very sure that this event will happen. He has started to get in contact to the other groups. At the end Filip told me that this is not just a bloody idea. This is a VERY SERIOUS intention !!!! I keep you all informed if I get more informations cheers Bernhard From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jul 20 14:16:11 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:16:11 EDT Subject: MotorHead & Legendary Pink Dots Reccommendations please In-Reply-To: <199807201755.NAA20400@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: > From: Keith Henderson > > When it comes to MH live...look out! Over the seven or eight times I've > seen them, they've gone from tolerably loud to unbelievably frightening > loud. Usually, the more tolerable volume shows are the ones where they > played support, like for Slayer, Black Sabbath or Judas Priest (on that > five-band megatour six years ago or so). When headlining, they can be > simply exhausting!! Usually, they only play 75-80 minutes at most > regardless, and that's enough! I don't think I could take much more, and > anyway, it's really 120 minutes worth of music, simply played at 150% of the > normal pace, so you're not really being cheated. :) > Only time I saw them was in that big tour: Judas Priest headlining, Alice Cooper, Motorhead and Metal Church [in reverse order--maybe another group in there somewhere?] Operation Rock and Roll an ill-titled concert that sought to piggyback on the lamentable popularity of the Gulf War. Lucky for me, it was an outdoor show, so Motorhead's sound was tamed a bit. Lemmy is amazing--one of the best frontmen I've ever seen. This would have been in support of 1916. I've got Overnight Sensation, a CMC disc, and I'd recommend it well... ******************************* theo "...Power in the hands of fools..." From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jul 20 15:51:49 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:51:49 +0000 Subject: MotorHead & Legendary Pink Dots Reccommendations please Message-ID: On m?n 20 jul 1998 13.14 +0100 "Jon Browne" wrote: > In article <169857.3109916709 at cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk>, Carl Edlund Anderson > writes >> All of Motorhead's albums from _1916_ on have been top notch >>(excepting _March or Die_, which was, IMO, pretty bad :) > > And the ones before are even better! _Iron Fist_?! Seriously, though some of the early albums are classi--and unquestionably of greater historical importance--from the perspective of a someone who first heard all of MH's output starting in the mid-90s, I think they're at the peak of their form right now after a dip from the equally ace early years. That may be blasphemy ;) but I cannot say other wise :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Jul 20 15:52:35 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:52:35 +0000 Subject: OFF: New Hawkfan Message-ID: Congrats! on the newest member of the children of the sun :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jul 20 14:52:27 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:52:27 -0400 Subject: Helen Wheels *Archetype* CD Message-ID: Got my copy of Helen's CD from my buddies at Cellsum Records - very nice. With all the work piled up from my week of vacation, I don't have time for a track-by-track review, but I highly recommend this CD. Some tasty tracks indeed, several of which are credited to Albert. Of course, there is Helen's version of "Tattoo Vampire" to open the CD - backed by Albert, Joe, and various members of tBS and the X Brothers -- I won't go so far as to say it's better than the original, because, well, I like the original (BOC) version a lot. Instrumentally it's very true to the original, and vocally Helen post a different spin on it - I like it a lot, although trying to compare her and Eric Bloom is apples and oranges. The Brain Surgeons-backed song, "Niagara Falls" is pretty cool, but my favorite tracks, other than "Tattoo Vampire", would be "Break the Chains", "Get Out of Town", "Carry My Own Weight", and "Room to Rage" - the disc spans over 20 years of great music from a person I previously only knew from her BOC lyrics. Now, I know that there's much more ... Also, check out Helen's website for more info, history, lyrics, and lots of photos - http://www.helenwheels.com John From Alogilvy at AOL.COM Mon Jul 20 15:55:57 1998 From: Alogilvy at AOL.COM (Al Ogilvy) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:55:57 EDT Subject: Brain Surgeons Message-ID: Hi I'm pretty new to this list and came to it as a Hawkfan of 20 plus years,and I have to say I know little about What links BOC and HW.I know BOC,and have really enjoyed several of their albums over the years,and vividly remember a gig at hammersmith odeon absolute eons ago culminating in pyrotech oblivion and flying guitars flung from one side of the stage to the other...Ace stuff. However,I've never heard of the Brain Surgeons , I'm sorry to admit,and I'm getting really Jealous reading about them 'coz they sound great.Please,Please someone tell me more,reccomend some albums...tell me where i can find their CDs in the UK,...are they oing to gig here..??What is their connexion to BOC and HW ? anxiously awaiting,at the edge of time, AL From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jul 20 16:22:41 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:22:41 -0400 Subject: Brain Surgeons Message-ID: Al: Short answer: The Brain Surgeons are former-BOC drummer (and founding member, and perhaps the biggest creative force) Albert Bouchard's current band. To learn more, and hear some of their songs in RealAudio format, head over with your web-browser to: http://members.aol.com/tbspostop You'll find, links (including one to the "official" tBS website), reviews, links, news, RealAudio samples and more. John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Jul 20 16:24:35 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:24:35 EDT Subject: Brain Surgeons In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Al Ogilvy > However,I've never heard of the Brain Surgeons , I'm sorry to admit,and I'm > getting really Jealous reading about them 'coz they sound great.Please,Please > someone tell me more,reccomend some albums...tell me where i can find their > CDs in the UK,...are they oing to gig here..??What is their connexion to BOC > and HW ? > tBS is the band founded by Al Bouchard, original drummer for BOC. Their records are available on the independent label, Cellsum. I'm not sure if they're avail. through the online CD stores. They can be ordered directly from Al, though. Chances of their touring Europe don't look too good, as they don't play all that much over here, though I've been lucky enough to see them 4 times. They have an obvious connection to BOC, and they do several BOC songs live, and also 2 HW songs, Needle Gun and Hassan I Sab...something, sorry, I don't have any written stuff in front of me. I think most tBS fans like Box of Hammers, their third album best, though their second album, Trepanation is smokin' as well. tBS features Al on drums and vocals, Al's wife Deb Frost on vox and guitar [Deb also contributes lyrics] Billy Hilfiger and Pete Bohovesky on guitars and David Hershberg on Bass. They're based in the NYC area and generally play in the northeast US, concentrating on upstae NY lately [lucky me!] Lyrically, they're OUT THERE! Musically, heavy twin guitar rock is their thing. I suspect if you like BOC, you'll love tBS: spooky lyrics, amazing drumming, and off the wall gtr. Check 'em out... ******************************* theo "...Power in the hands of fools..." From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Mon Jul 20 16:26:12 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:26:12 -0400 Subject: HW: Strange Daze Europe '99 Message-ID: Bernhard sayz... >Received a very interesting phonecall yesterday from FILIP VANHUYSE a great >Hawkwindfan from Belgium. > >Filip and another guy from Belgium who is arranging HM festivals since >many years are trying to do a very special event in August 1999 near >Limbourg (Belgium) very close to the German border. > >They are trying to get the following bands for this event: > >- Hawkwind >- Bedouin >- Nik Turner + band >- Harvey Bainbridge + band >- Huw Lloyd langton + band (Soon to follow... Paul Hayles + band Terry Ollis + band Sam Fox + band etc.) :) Not a bad start. :) Why not Tribe of Cro also?? They're 'part Belgian' anyway. And some of 'dem Sveedish folks perhaps also?? darXtar, Spacious Mind and the like. >The costs for us won't be to high. Not counting the overseas airfare. :) >Filip is a VERY GOOD friend (!!!) of Dave Brock and he is very sure that >this event will happen. >At the end Filip told me that this is not just a bloody idea. >This is a VERY SERIOUS intention !!!! Well, at least it's a bloody *good* idea, I'd say. Will it really be named 'Strange Daze Europe' as if we Yanks (well, Jim Lascko deserves all the credit) actually created something that would be copied elsewhere?? I woulda thought it would be called something like 'The 2099 Party'. :) Keith H. (FAA) ObCD: New Sun - Fractured From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Mon Jul 20 16:33:23 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David G) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:33:23 +0100 Subject: HW: Strange Daze Europe '99 Message-ID: I had to read this twice to make sure. Surely no one could get all those people talking to each other and on the same bill! I'm going to book next year's vacation now, 'scuse me. Dave Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > Hi folks > > Received a very interesting phonecall yesterday from FILIP VANHUYSE a great > Hawkwindfan from Belgium. > > Filip and another guy from Belgium who is arranging HM festivals since > many years are trying to do a very special event in August 1999 near > Limbourg (Belgium) very close to the German border. > > They are trying to get the following bands for this event: > > - Hawkwind > - Bedouin > - Nik Turner + band > - Harvey Bainbridge + band > - Huw Lloyd langton + band > > The place where the bands will play is very close to a railway station. The > bands do not need to bring their lights or PA. It is all there. This place > is really made for festivals with stage, toiletts, campground and all we > need (eating and drinking). > > The costs for us won't be to high. The organizer said that he only needs 25 > US$ from each person. And he needs about 700-800 people to come to get paid > for his expenses. Most of the money he will get with advertising > > Filip is a VERY GOOD friend (!!!) of Dave Brock and he is very sure that > this event will happen. > > He has started to get in contact to the other groups. > > At the end Filip told me that this is not just a bloody idea. > This is a VERY SERIOUS intention !!!! > > I keep you all informed if I get more informations > > cheers > Bernhard From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Mon Jul 20 14:23:55 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 19:23:55 +0100 Subject: MotorHead & Legendary Pink Dots Reccommendations please In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 13:14 20/07/98 +0100, you wrote: >In article <169857.3109916709 at cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk>, Carl Edlund Anderson > writes >> All of Motorhead's albums from _1916_ on have been top notch >>(excepting _March or Die_, which was, IMO, pretty bad :) > >And the ones before are even better! > >Overkill, Ace Of Spades, even No Remorse! > >can there ever be a bigger rush than Ace of Spades, I wonder? >-- >Jon In general terms, probably not, but for me it was getting home with the original Chiswick 12" of 'Motorhead', sliding it out of the sleeve SEEING(!) the grooves without even peering at them, slapping it on the turntable, & then hearing the speaker cones flap!!!! ChrisW ObCD:Kyuss/Queens of the Stone Age Free your mind & watch your ass! From chip at PCC.COM Mon Jul 20 17:59:09 1998 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:59:09 -0400 Subject: MotorHead & Legendary Pink Dots Reccommendations please In-Reply-To: <199807201755.NAA20400@mail4.uts.ohio-state.edu> from "Keith Henderson" at Jul 20, 98 01:55:10 pm Message-ID: > >> Motorhead I've maybe-if I remember right-heard at a party years ago-can > >> someone refresh my memory as to their sound? And possibly a disc to > >> start with? IMO, the best "starter" CD for Motorhead is their compilation, No Remorse. It's one of the better assembling jobs I've heard and the original 2-lp set was done in *leather* (how cool is that?). Besides having many of the "classic" MH tunes from their first 6? albums (live "Motorhead," Road Crew, Dancing on Your Grave, Bomber, etc.), it features 4 unreleased tunes that, in my mind, announced the new Motorhead sound - Steal Your Face, Snaggletooth, Locomotive, Killed By Death. Great stuff. If you don't like No Remorse, you won't like Motorhead. I will also second the opinions I've read here of the live Motorhead experience. Theirs was the only rock show I've seen where the crowd moved BACK. I definitely lost permanent hearing...though doing so to Lemmy, bathed in a sickly green light while growling through "Orgasmatron," isn't so bad. -- Chip Hart * chip @ pcc.com Physicians's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8214 From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Tue Jul 21 02:23:42 1998 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 00:23:42 -0600 Subject: MotorHead & Legendary Pink Dots Reccommendations please Message-ID: Chip Hart wrote: > If you don't like No Remorse, you won't like Motorhead. > > I will also second the opinions I've read here of the live > Motorhead experience. I will look for them here-Probably hafta order it, tho:( Gee-maybe my bud with the big cd collection has it........ > > > Theirs was the only rock show I've seen where the crowd moved > BACK. I definitely lost permanent hearing...though doing so to > Lemmy, bathed in a sickly green light while growling through > "Orgasmatron," isn't so bad. sounds good-even though I haven't heard the tune:) ( evil grin) :) I like nice hard nasty sounding stuph on occasion.Thanx to all-I'm enjoying the info-and the way it's presented!!!! I shall act upon all of the wisdom presented here :) (smirk, smirk:) ) Not meant as an insult-all- teasin!! Rock on, Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool Message-ID: In article <63739.3109953109 at cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk>, Carl Edlund Anderson writes > _Iron Fist_?! yeah, Iron Fist! but not Orgasmatron. :) >Seriously, though some of the early albums are >classi--and unquestionably of greater historical importance--from >the perspective of a someone who first heard all of MH's output >starting in the mid-90s, I think they're at the peak of their >form right now after a dip from the equally ace early years. >That may be blasphemy ;) but I cannot say other wise :) 1916 was the last one I heard. I shall have to catch up a bit here... -- Jon From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Jul 21 00:32:57 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 04:32:57 +0000 Subject: MotorHead & Legendary Pink Dots Reccommendations please Message-ID: > sounds good-even though I haven't heard the tune:) ( evil grin) :) I like nice > hard nasty sounding stuph on occasion.Thanx to all-I'm enjoying the info-and the > way it's presented!!!! I shall act upon all of the wisdom presented here :) > (smirk, smirk:) ) Not meant as an insult-all- teasin!! > Rock on, > Pam Ah, another convert. Does the heart good. BTW, while we're on the subject, what the hell: Personal (and guilty) fave Motorhead album: Another Perfect Day. From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Jul 21 00:50:42 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 04:50:42 +0000 Subject: MotorHead & Legendary Pink Dots Reccommendations please Message-ID: > Only time I saw them was in that big tour: Judas Priest headlining, > Alice Cooper, Motorhead and Metal Church [in reverse order--maybe > another group in there somewhere?] Operation Rock and Roll an > ill-titled concert that sought to piggyback on the lamentable > popularity of the Gulf War. Lucky for me, it was an outdoor show, so > Motorhead's sound was tamed a bit. Lemmy is amazing--one of the > best frontmen I've ever seen. This would have been in support of > 1916. I've got Overnight Sensation, a CMC disc, and I'd recommend it > well... Oops...didn't read ahead far enough before responding...apparently some folks HAVE seen Operation R+R. I saw it at Weedsport, up near Syracuse, NY. Anyone else there? -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Jul 21 00:50:42 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 04:50:42 +0000 Subject: MotorHead & Legendary Pink Dots Reccommendations please Message-ID: > I will also second the opinions I've read here of the live > Motorhead experience. > > Theirs was the only rock show I've seen where the crowd moved > BACK. I definitely lost permanent hearing...though doing so to > Lemmy, bathed in a sickly green light while growling through > "Orgasmatron," isn't so bad. Did anyone get to catch them on the Operation Rock and Roll tour? What a show! Dangerous Toys, Metal Church, Lemmy & Co., Alice Cooper and Judas Priest (with Halford). Hated Dangerous Toys. Metal Church I can take or leave, although I thought their first album was pretty cool (Especially "Gods of Wrath). Mo'head awesome as usual, although there was serious violence and slammin' down front. Alice was outta control, and Priest was good, although they slanted too much toward the thrashy Painkiller-era stuff in the middle of their set. The coolest thing about the whole damn show was that I got to buy a Motorhead baseball cap, which I still wear on occasion, even though it's so small it looks like a beanie -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Jul 21 00:50:42 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 04:50:42 +0000 Subject: MotorHead & Legendary Pink Dots Reccommendations please Message-ID: > _Iron Fist_?! Seriously, though some of the early albums are > classi--and unquestionably of greater historical importance--from > the perspective of a someone who first heard all of MH's output > starting in the mid-90s, I think they're at the peak of their > form right now after a dip from the equally ace early years. > That may be blasphemy ;) but I cannot say other wise :) > > Cheers, > Carl No blasphemy here. I've been a fan since the early 80s, and I think the post-No Remorse years represent their best stuff ever. Every disc boasts something somewhat "uncharacteristic" that makes you think, "Damn, I didn't know Lemmy could do THAT! Yet every album remains unmistakably Motorhead. They continue to grow as a band, while staying totally immature, if that makes any sense. I was kinda sad to see Wurzel go, but Phil Campbell has proven himself every bit the player. And Mikkey Dee is amazing! While I miss Fast Eddie and Philthy, it's really only for nostalgia's sake these days. The current lineup doesn't make me yearn for them. This band is still as vital as ever. -- Nick From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Tue Jul 21 06:17:28 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:17:28 +0000 Subject: HW: Strange Daze Europe '99 In-Reply-To: <199807201805.UAA22080@mail.castrop-rauxel.netsurf.de> Message-ID: Bernhard writes: >They are trying to get the following bands for this event: > >- Hawkwind >- Bedouin >- Nik Turner + band >- Harvey Bainbridge + band >- Huw Lloyd langton + band > How about getting KREL onto the line-up too! (Not that I'm biased or anything), but KREL are rather superb! Guy From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jul 21 05:28:28 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:28:28 +0100 Subject: MotorHead & Legendary Pink Dots Reccommendations please In-Reply-To: <199807210845.EAA01335@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: OK. If you like compilations, _No Remorse_ is hard to surpass, an excellent record of Motorhead up to whenever it was, mid-80s or so. However, my favourite is still the first, _Motorhead_. It's a different beast from what Motorhead later became, it's more of a hard'n'heavy blues-rock album than the slight self-caricature they later became; but you do get seminal classics like "Iron Horse (Born to Lose)", "Motorhead" itself, and the utterly superb "Keep us on the Road". The CD comes with the other tracks from the session, which became a b-side and the "Beer Drinkers" ep. Eclectic choice of cover versions, from ZZ Top to John Mayall, and with tracks from Larry Wallis, even though he'd left by then, and the songs Lemmy had written for Hawkwind. Recorded in a couple of days, basically they just went through their stage set two or three time in the studio and put it on vinyl. Rough as a badger's arse, but vital and awesome. Motorhead live: Bomber tour, Cambridge Corn Exchange, Easter 1980. Me and my pal Mark get there early so we're at the front. Means we have a bit of a dialogue with Biff from Saxon, who claim to be louder than Motorhead. We laugh a lot. Anyway, Motorhead arrive, and they're bloody loud. Like a freight train a yard away. So obviously, we shout "it's not loud enough", "can't hear you", etc etc. Gradually it gets louder. Now it's like 88mm cannon going off in your head. Finally, as in madness we're still going, "turn it up", Lemmy looks down at us, shakes his head apologetically, and says, "sorry, can't get it no louder", turning his guitar and stage amps to the maximum to prove it. Secretly we're relieved, but we still shout, "it's STILL not loud enough, can't you turn it up a bit PLEASE!!!" So Lemmy waves at the sound guy at the back, and says, "there's a couple of blokes down here who say it's not loud enough. So turn it up!" Sound guy clearly forgets about mixing and just pushes everything to 10. Don't think I could ever tell what the next number was, but hardened headbangers fled from anywhere near the speaker bins. Leaning against the stage as we were, we were out of the direct line of fire of the PA, but it was still like the First World War in a phone box. My ears rang for three days and nights and my left ear still isn't quite what it was. What a great gig! (Saw them last year, though, and they just weren't loud enough.) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jul 21 07:35:00 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:35:00 +0000 Subject: MotorHead & Legendary Pink Dots Reccommendations please Message-ID: On tis 21 jul 1998 09.18 +0100 "Jon Browne" wrote: > In article <63739.3109953109 at cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk>, Carl Edlund Anderson > writes >> _Iron Fist_?! > > yeah, Iron Fist! but not Orgasmatron. :) :) Orgasmatron was quite a good album, wasn't it? :) > 1916 was the last one I heard. > I shall have to catch up a bit here... I was pretty impressed with 1916, songwise, but the sound on the album as not good. However, the sound on all the subsequent albums has been excellent. _Bastards_ and _Sacrifice_ and _Overnight Sensation_ are all pretty excellent stuff, IMO. Some very fine lyrical outings from Lemmy. A few dodgy tracks here and there, IMO, but that's rock and roll ;) I confess I haven't heard anything but the title track to _Snakebite Love_ yet, since I know I can get it cheaper in the US than in Britain :/ Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jul 21 07:37:04 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:37:04 +0000 Subject: MotorHead & Legendary Pink Dots Reccommendations please Message-ID: On tis 21 jul 1998 04.50 +0000 "" wrote: > While I miss Fast Eddie and Philthy, it's really only for nostalgia's > sake these days. The current lineup doesn't make me yearn for them. > This band is still as vital as ever. Had I been a fan since the early 80s, I think I should agree! The "classic" band was strong and vital, but so is the current lineup! Wurzel was good on guitar with them, but I think the dynamic has really, really taken off now that they are once more a three-piece! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Tue Jul 21 06:39:07 1998 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (Neil Shilladay) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:39:07 +0100 Subject: MotorHead & Legendary Pink Dots Reccommendations please Message-ID: After seeing MH again last November at Brixton, I can agree with all & sundry in saying MH are (were) a) bloody loud (still) b) very relevent in the late 90's c) one of the most intense live acts around d) better as a 3 piece. Cheers, Neil. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jul 21 07:27:55 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:27:55 EDT Subject: MotorHead & Legendary Pink Dots Reccommendations please In-Reply-To: <199807210845.EAA01329@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: > From: "" > > Only time I saw them was in that big tour: Judas Priest headlining, > > Alice Cooper, Motorhead and Metal Church [in reverse order--maybe > > another group in there somewhere?] Operation Rock and Roll an > > ill-titled concert that sought to piggyback on the lamentable > > popularity of the Gulf War. Lucky for me, it was an outdoor show, so > > Motorhead's sound was tamed a bit. Lemmy is amazing--one of the > > best frontmen I've ever seen. This would have been in support of > > 1916. I've got Overnight Sensation, a CMC disc, and I'd recommend it > > well... > > > Oops...didn't read ahead far enough before responding...apparently > some folks HAVE seen Operation R+R. I saw it at Weedsport, up near > Syracuse, NY. Anyone else there? > Yowza! That's where I saw them! For sure, lots of rockin' that night, on stage and off, eh? Nick, where you from? ******************************* theo "...Power in the hands of fools..." From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Jul 21 07:43:19 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:43:19 EDT Subject: trepanation... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Depressed? Maybe it's because you haven't drilled a hole in your head. > According to the Washington Post, the ancient art of "trepanning" is > making something of a comeback. Proponents say that drillinga 3/8 > inch hole in your skull can help you find happiness, cure psychosis, > and help you reach enlightenment. There's a website devoted to the > practice at http://www.trepan.com/ where you'll find advice on "How > to Ask Your Doctor for a Hole in the Head," reports from other > "borers," and Trepanner T-shirts for $9.95... ******************************* theo "...Power in the hands of fools..." From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jul 21 07:58:57 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 07:58:57 -0400 Subject: trepanation... Message-ID: > According to the Washington Post, the ancient art of "trepanning" is > making something of a comeback. Proponents say that drillinga 3/8 > inch hole in your skull can help you find happiness, cure psychosis, > and help you reach enlightenment. About 2 months ago, SPIN magazine ran an article on this as well, including the story of Amanda Fielding (if you haven't read her story, just do a web search on Trepanation - you'll find dozens of copies). John From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jul 21 04:35:43 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:35:43 +0100 Subject: OFF: More Ozfest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , BREVARD, Adrian R. writes >Will folks pay much attention to whats happening on stage >two? Some of us actively prefer the "B stage" bands, in general, for a number of reasons. -- Jon From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jul 21 04:32:07 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:32:07 +0100 Subject: OFF: New Hawkfan In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980720124000.00997e40@mailhost.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <3.0.5.32.19980720124000.00997e40 at mailhost.ed.harlequin.co.uk >, Dave Berry writes >No, not a new issue of the fanzine -- I've got a son, Micheal Lachlan >Berry, born on 19th June. So far he's shown the good taste to like Ozric >Tentacles and Anubian Lights. We'll have to see how he fares with the >Space Ritual! > >Dave. > >P.S. Now I can join the Militant Parents Assocation, with their endearing >chant: > "What do we want? -- More sleep! > When do we want it? -- Now!" :-) > Congratulations, Dave. My son (age 6) is into Madness and Hot Chocolate. I have nothing against these bands but...... -- Jon From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Tue Jul 21 11:15:25 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:15:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Strange Daze Europe '99 In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:08:39 +0200 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hi folks > > Received a very interesting phonecall yesterday from FILIP VANHUYSE a great > Hawkwindfan from Belgium. > > Filip and another guy from Belgium who is arranging HM festivals since > many years are trying to do a very special event in August 1999 near > Limbourg (Belgium) very close to the German border. Well if they make it August 11th we can watch the Solar eclipse too. Not sure if it'll be total in that area tho'. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Jul 21 11:20:01 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:20:01 PDT Subject: BOC: Live '76 on DVD Message-ID: Live '76 is coming out on DVD on 26th August this year. No extra mastering or additional footage or doctoring has been done. I wonder what it'll sound like in Surround????? Ha. I'll still have to get it tho'. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Jul 21 07:54:00 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:54:00 +0000 Subject: MotorHead & Legendary Pink Dots Reccommendations please Message-ID: > Nick, where you from? > > > ******************************* > > theo I think you and I were through this once before, Theo...I'm from Endicott and went to school at Cortland. Remember, I was the one who recommended "Church of Dead Girls" to you because it had tons of local references. BTW, how did you like the book. I thought it was pretty well done. Not a difficult or challenging read, but worth a few nights. And I still say it's the literary equivalent of "Harvest Moon"! -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Jul 21 07:54:00 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 11:54:00 +0000 Subject: MotorHead & Legendary Pink Dots Reccommendations please Message-ID: > > Oops...didn't read ahead far enough before responding...apparently > > some folks HAVE seen Operation R+R. I saw it at Weedsport, up near > > Syracuse, NY. Anyone else there? > > > Yowza! That's where I saw them! For sure, lots of rockin' that > night, on stage and off, eh? ob Scene of gratuitous violence at Operation R+R: Some guy was crowd surfing, and his boot caught a really big scary dude right in the face. Really Big Scary Dude grabbed Crowd Surfer and pulled him straight to the ground...the kid literally landed with an audible THUD...during a MOTORHEAD CONCERT, MIND YOU! Crowd S urfer slowly gets to his feet and takes off through the crowd, with Really Big Scary Dude chasing him, punching him in the back of the head repeatedly as they disappear into the crowd. FADE OUT I know it's only rock and roll, but...well, you know. -- Nick From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jul 21 12:25:42 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:25:42 +0100 Subject: MotorHead & Legendary Pink Dots Reccommendations please In-Reply-To: <199807211553.LAA07501@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: In article <199807211553.LAA07501 at junior.srt.net>, writes > >And I still say it's the literary equivalent of "Harvest Moon"! > >-- Nick which I'm listening to at the moment. That was odd. -- Jon From micci at SCI.FI Tue Jul 21 13:10:34 1998 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:10:34 +0300 Subject: HW: Strange Daze Europe '99 Message-ID: Hi! >Keith H. wrotes: >Not a bad start. :) Why not Tribe of Cro also?? They're 'part Belgian' >anyway. >And some of 'dem Sveedish folks perhaps also?? darXtar, Spacious Mind and >the like. Why not finnish Dark Sun. Okey, darXtar and SM are both very good bands, but I must support my only local spacerock band :-) Festival itself is very good idea. obcd: Lotus- The Totuus Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Tue Jul 21 13:13:46 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David G) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 18:13:46 +0100 Subject: MotorHead & Legendary Pink Dots Reccommendations please Message-ID: Neil Shilladay wrote: > After seeing MH again last November at Brixton, I can agree with all & sundry in saying MH are (were) > > a) bloody loud (still) > b) very relevent in the late 90's > c) one of the most intense live acts around > d) better as a 3 piece. > > Cheers, > Neil. Seconded, they played Portsmouth Pyramid centre which is almost as big as my garage. The result was probably dangerous and damned good. Whatever anyone else says, I still say that the combined effect of Bomber running straight into Overkill, Live, No Ear defenders, is one of the more defining moments of life. Advice, ensure all voidable body parts have been fully cleared before standing infront of the bass bins for that! DaveG From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Jul 21 13:42:38 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 18:42:38 +0100 Subject: HW: Strange Daze Europe '99 In-Reply-To: <199807211515.QAA19774@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: jill wrote: > > >Well if they make it August 11th we can watch the Solar eclipse too. >Not sure if it'll be total in that area tho'. > >jill 'fraid not, since the path of totality only brushes the tip of Cornwall, I don't think that there's any way that Belgium will get it - SW France perhaps? ChrisW ObCD:Kyuss/Blues For The Red Sun Free your mind & watch your ass! From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jul 21 14:49:43 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:49:43 -0400 Subject: BOC: Super Hits Message-ID: Well, I happened to be at my local record store today, so I picked this up. While I've maintained that this is soley a "collectors only" CD, since it contains no new material, there is one interesting thing -- the version of "The Red and the Black", despite the liner notes crediting it "From *Tyranny and Mutation*", is actually the live version from "the BOC Bootleg EP". If, for some reason you didn't pick up *Workshop of the Telescopes*, it's possible that you would want to get the CD for this track. As I said before, really pathetic cover - no imagination at all. Here's what the liner notes say: "One of the first of the truly heavy metal bands, Blue Oyster Cult remains one of the most sophisticated. A literate lyric approach and the guitar fire of Donald 'Buck Dharma' Roeser made the difference. An ace riff master, Buck Dharma is one of the greatest rock guitarists to ever strap on a six string. His simultaneous mastery of ultimate power chords and tumultuous lead playing continously demand the listener's attention. Throughout the seventies and eighties, Blue Oyster Cult dominated rock 'n' roll audiences with their ceaseless touring and steady flow of album releases which included such classic thinking person's rock 'n' roll songs as "The Red And The Black", "This Ain't The Summer Of Love", and the lighter but no less meaningful "Don't Fear The Reaper" and "Godzilla", all of which are here on this Super Hits Collection." John PS: Yes, you can hear "you poor f**king humans at the end of "Black Blade" on this compilation. :-) From russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM Tue Jul 21 15:00:55 1998 From: russell.j.hall at LMCO.COM (Hall, Russell J) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:00:55 -0400 Subject: Super Hits Message-ID: FYI, Just saw that Columbia House has Workshop of the Telescope and Heaven Forbid on their current listing. From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jul 21 16:15:17 1998 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:15:17 +0100 Subject: MotorHead & Legendary Pink Dots Reccommendations please In-Reply-To: <000501bdb489$eb1541c0$413f63c3@default> Message-ID: In article <000501bdb489$eb1541c0$413f63c3 at default>, Andy Gilham writes >OK. > >If you like compilations, _No Remorse_ is hard to surpass, an excellent >record of Motorhead up to whenever it was, mid-80s or so. > >However, my favourite is still the first, _Motorhead_. It's a different >beast from what Motorhead later became, it's more of a hard'n'heavy >blues-rock album than the slight self-caricature they later became; but you >do get seminal classics like "Iron Horse (Born to Lose)", "Motorhead" >itself, and the utterly superb "Keep us on the Road". Couldn't agree more with that assessment - there is a killer version of "Keep Us On The Road" on the "What's Words Worth" LP (if you can find it). The first album also has the hilarious track "Vibrator", complete with one of the things buzzing away, panning from left to right and back! I don't think Lemmy did the lyrics for this one but the line "New battery? Is that for me?!" has to be one of my favourite lines of all time! Another nice touch was the "White Vinyl Fever" labeling for the original white vinyl Chiswick release. Reminisce mode: I only got to see the classic line-up at the Port Vale HM Holocaust. The organisers claimed to have the loudest PA ever assembled - 130KW thereabouts. Before the gig got started when there weren't many people around, I was walking about 50 feet from the stage when the frigging sound man suddenly decided to test it out full whack. Without any warning, I suddenly had 130KW pounding down my left ear - I nearly fell over with shock. You cannot believe how loud that rig was with no bodies in the way to absorb the sound! I still have an occasional thump in my left ear to remind me. Motorhead were of course absolutely brilliant and having just released No Sleep, were at their peak for that line-up. -- Mark Edmonds From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jul 21 16:20:02 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:20:02 +0100 Subject: HW: Strange Daze Europe '99 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980721184238.0086c9f0@mail.clara.net> Message-ID: > >Well if they make it August 11th we can watch the Solar eclipse too. > >Not sure if it'll be total in that area tho'. > > > >jill > > 'fraid not, since the path of totality only brushes the tip of Cornwall, I > don't think that there's any way that Belgium will get it - SW > France perhaps? > > ChrisW I believe the "footprint" passes through Normandy-Alsace-Bavaria, something like that. I figured the roads will be so awful with 25% of the population of England trying to make it into Cornwall that the Continent would be a better bet... - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Jul 21 17:16:19 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:16:19 -0400 Subject: HW: Strange Daze Europe '99 Message-ID: Andy G. answered Jill with... >> >Well if they make it August 11th we can watch the Solar eclipse too. >> >Not sure if it'll be total in that area tho'. >> >I believe the "footprint" passes through Normandy-Alsace-Bavaria, something >like that. I figured the roads will be so awful with 25% of the population >of England trying to make it into Cornwall that the Continent would be a >better bet... Pretty much on...at http://www.skypub.com/eclipses/s990881a.html, you can link to the map (http://www.skypub.com/eclipses/images/99europe.gif) that shows you exactly how the footprint will travel. It will just nick (or should I say nik?) the southern tip of Belgium, so it'll be damn near 99% anywhere within the country. The problem is that I think it's a Wednesday, and a morning no less (11:30 AM local time?), not exactly the time to schedule a festival show. Saturday, Aug. 14, 1999 would of course, be the 11th anniversary of Bob's Calvert death. Keith H. (FAA) From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Tue Jul 21 18:09:45 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David G) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 23:09:45 +0100 Subject: HW: Strange Daze Europe '99 Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: > > >Well if they make it August 11th we can watch the Solar eclipse too. > > >Not sure if it'll be total in that area tho'. > > > > > >jill > > > > 'fraid not, since the path of totality only brushes the tip of Cornwall, I > > don't think that there's any way that Belgium will get it - SW > > France perhaps? > > > > ChrisW > > I believe the "footprint" passes through Normandy-Alsace-Bavaria, something > like that. I figured the roads will be so awful with 25% of the population > of England trying to make it into Cornwall that the Continent would be a > better bet... > > - Andy > Probably true, my company is a space related business so we physicist have been trying to find somewhere, anywhere, (a layby will do) to "do some legit research, honest". There is nothing to be had in Cornawall, so unless you are planning to go down there around March, go to the mainland! DaveG From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Tue Jul 21 18:11:09 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David G) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 23:11:09 +0100 Subject: HW: Strange Daze Europe '99 Message-ID: Keith Henderson wrote: > Andy G. answered Jill with... > > >> >Well if they make it August 11th we can watch the Solar eclipse too. > >> >Not sure if it'll be total in that area tho'. > >> > >I believe the "footprint" passes through Normandy-Alsace-Bavaria, something > >like that. I figured the roads will be so awful with 25% of the population > >of England trying to make it into Cornwall that the Continent would be a > >better bet... > > Pretty much on...at http://www.skypub.com/eclipses/s990881a.html, you can > link to the map (http://www.skypub.com/eclipses/images/99europe.gif) that > shows you exactly how the footprint will travel. It will just nick (or > should I say nik?) the southern tip of Belgium, so it'll be damn near 99% > anywhere within the country. > > The problem is that I think it's a Wednesday, and a morning no less (11:30 > AM local time?), not exactly the time to schedule a festival show. > Saturday, Aug. 14, 1999 would of course, be the 11th anniversary of Bob's > Calvert death. > I think most bands would be happy to play a set at 11:30 with that sort of light show! daveG > Keith H. (FAA) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Jul 21 19:03:51 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:03:51 -0400 Subject: HW: Strange Daze Europe '99 Message-ID: >Keith Henderson wrote: >> Pretty much on...at http://www.skypub.com/eclipses/s990881a.html, you can >> link to the map (http://www.skypub.com/eclipses/images/99europe.gif) that >> shows you exactly how the footprint will travel. It will just nick (or >> should I say nik?) the southern tip of Belgium, so it'll be damn near 99% >> anywhere within the country. Typo alert...that should be s990811a.html of course...there's no 81st of August last time I checked. :) >> The problem is that I think it's a Wednesday, and a morning no less (11:30 >> AM local time?), not exactly the time to schedule a festival show. >> Saturday, Aug. 14, 1999 would of course, be the 11th anniversary of Bob's >> Calvert death. A 'Calvert death' being different than the typical type of death. :) Typo #2. Dave G. says... >I think most bands would be happy to play a set at 11:30 with that sort of light >show! Yeah, especially darXtar!! Keith H. (FAA) P.S. The eclipse lasts only about two hours, so how do you get all the groups to play within that length of time?? Answer: You have them all play at once, as a conglomerated Hawkwind of the past, present, and future. ObEclipseRef: I happened to see ABWH play in NE Ohio (Blossom Music Center) about 6 years ago or so, during a total lunar eclipse. They had timed their performance of 'Heart of the Sunrise' to coincide exactly with the onset of totality. Pretty neat, although it must've been bizarre for them to be looking out from the stage as half the crowd 'fled' the covered pavilion to watch the eclipse occur as the music was playing. From acobley at COMPUTING.DUNDEE.AC.UK Wed Jul 22 03:55:18 1998 From: acobley at COMPUTING.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy C) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:55:18 +0100 Subject: HW: Strange Daze Europe '99 Message-ID: See: http://ast.star.rl.ac.uk/eclipse99/path_alleur.html For a full path of the eclipse. Looks like the bottom of Belgium does get it. Andy C Chris Warburton wrote: > jill wrote: > > > > > >Well if they make it August 11th we can watch the Solar eclipse too. > >Not sure if it'll be total in that area tho'. > > > >jill > > 'fraid not, since the path of totality only brushes the tip of Cornwall, I > don't think that there's any way that Belgium will get it - SW France perhaps? > > ChrisW > > ObCD:Kyuss/Blues For The Red Sun > > Free your mind & watch your ass! -- "The most popular genre is comedy (19%) and is particularly attractive to girls, with 23% of girls selecting it. Perhaps surprisingly the second choiceamong the girls was horror (14% of the female vote). " Media Matters, Herald Survey, What They Watch From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Wed Jul 22 00:26:35 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 04:26:35 +0000 Subject: BOC: Live '76 on DVD Message-ID: > Live '76 is coming out on DVD on 26th August this year. > > No extra mastering or additional footage or doctoring has been done. > I wonder what it'll sound like in Surround????? Ha. I'll still have to > get it tho'. > > Chris. It'll probably just sound like you're "surrounded" by crap. ; ) From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Wed Jul 22 04:39:52 1998 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:39:52 +0100 Subject: HW: found on rec.music.progressive Message-ID: I found the following in a sig in rec.music.progressive ---------- "The first man to set foot on Mars got its last remaining lifeform stuck to the sole of his boot and said 'Oh fuck!'" - Robert Calvert Does anyone have a source for this? Mike w From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jul 22 07:20:10 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 11:20:10 +0000 Subject: MotorHead & Legendary Pink Dots Reccommendations please Message-ID: > (Saw them last year, though, and they just weren't loud enough.) I still maintain that this was the result of regulation from the Corn Exchange itself, which usually turns out pretty quiet gigs :P Motorhead have been a _hell_ of a lot louder when I've seen them elsewhere. They were fabulously loud at the Astoria in January 97 :) (I think it was) While I'll probably hit the Cambridge gig in October, I'm seriously considering the London show (or maybe Nottingham) as an added bonus :) Ah, and the _On Parole_ remaster is an excellent example of early and atypical Motorhead. The "slow blues" Iron Horse kicks major butt! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jul 22 06:17:52 1998 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 03:17:52 PDT Subject: OFF: Church of Dead Girls Message-ID: Nick said... >I think you and I were through this once before, Theo...I'm from > Endicott and went to school at Cortland. Remember, I was the one who > recommended "Church of Dead Girls" to you because it had tons of > local references. BTW, how did you like the book. I thought it was > pretty well done. Not a difficult or challenging read, but worth a > few nights. > And I still say it's the literary equivalent of "Harvest Moon"! Uh... no, that was me, not Theo. As for the book, I found it quite enjoyable. The many references to my home town and my other stomping grounds made it seem more realistic. It was more like reading about bizarre happenings in a local paper than in a work of fiction. It did have a bit of a Harvest Moon feel to it, and I think it was right about then that the song took it's place for me in the top whatever it is in. Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** Torgo at norwich.net DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos *********************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Wed Jul 22 06:49:55 1998 From: eset08 at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 11:49:55 +0100 Subject: HW: Strange Daze Europe '99 In-Reply-To: Chris Warburton's message of Tue, 21 Jul 1998 18:42:38 +0100 Message-ID: Chris Warburton writes: > jill wrote: > > > > > >Well if they make it August 11th we can watch the Solar eclipse too. > >Not sure if it'll be total in that area tho'. > > > >jill > > 'fraid not, since the path of totality only brushes the tip of Cornwall, I > don't think that there's any way that Belgium will get it - SW France perhaps? The path will be going up the English Channel I understand (La Manche if you are French). Alderney will have a total eclipse and Guernsey 99% - I'm told that the "Bailey's Beads" will be excellent from here - whatever they are. If anyone's got a compass handy I guess it should be possible to work out where else in Northern Europe the path will cross 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at holyrood.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Jul 22 09:38:09 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 06:38:09 -0700 Subject: BOC: Super Hits Message-ID: >"One of the first of the truly heavy metal bands, Blue Oyster Cult remains one of the most sophisticated. A literate lyric approach and the guitar fire of Donald 'Buck Dharma' Roeser made the difference. An ace riff master, Buck Dharma is one of the greatest rock guitarists to ever strap on a six string. His simultaneous mastery of ultimate power chords and tumultuous lead playing continously demand the listener's attention. Throughout the seventies and eighties, Blue Oyster Cult dominated rock 'n' roll audiences with their ceaseless touring and steady flow of album releases which included such classic thinking person's rock 'n' roll songs as "The Red And The Black", "This Ain't The Summer Of Love", and the lighter but no less meaningful "Don't Fear The Reaper" and "Godzilla", all of which are here on this Super Hits Collection." Revisionist will doubtlessly proclaim "Buck Dharma and Blue Oyster Cult." Who wrote the liner notes John? Any idea? > I wonder what it'll sound like in Surround????? Ha. I'll still have to > get it tho'. > > Chris. >It'll probably just sound like you're "surrounded" by crap. ; ) WORD! Ghost in the Ruins OB The numbers - 78 days to King's X / 121 days to Al DiMeola From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jul 22 12:32:30 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:32:30 PDT Subject: HW: Reefer Madness Message-ID: I've just spotted a DVD of something called "Reefer Madness". Is this anything to do with Hawkwind? Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Wed Jul 22 12:42:58 1998 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 02:42:58 +1000 Subject: HW: Reefer Madness Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Horse Whisperer To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Thursday, 23 July 1998 2:36 Subject: HW: Reefer Madness >I've just spotted a DVD of something called "Reefer Madness". >Is this anything to do with Hawkwind? I'd assume its the hilarious 50s "beware the EVIL drug that is marijuana" film. Why they'd put it onto DVD is beyond me, though... - Max Wilcox From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Wed Jul 22 13:28:17 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David G) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 18:28:17 +0100 Subject: HW: Interesting Challenge Message-ID: Hi List, I have been introducing a Japanese friend to hawkwind, I shouldn't be surprised to have been asked the question "Which is the besty album?" Now, I think this should be an open question, Warriors or Doremi have it for me, but what would people recommend as the "educational" best album of choice? daveG From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Wed Jul 22 13:33:57 1998 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 03:33:57 +1000 Subject: HW: Interesting Challenge Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: David G To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Thursday, 23 July 1998 3:28 Subject: HW: Interesting Challenge >Hi List, > >I have been introducing a Japanese friend to hawkwind, I shouldn't be >surprised to have been asked the question "Which is the besty album?" >Now, I think this should be an open question, Warriors or Doremi have >it for me, but what would people recommend as the "educational" best >album of choice? It depends on the musical taste of your friend - Space Ritual would have to do it for me, though... You have to consider these things carefully :') , if your friend likes a certain type of heavy-ish glam-ish kind of music, I'd suggest the Elric albums. If, though, they like electronic/ambient, I'd suggest Electric Teepee. Etc etc. Good luck with the introductions, at any rate... - Max Wilcox From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Jul 22 13:38:21 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 18:38:21 +0100 Subject: HW: Interesting Challenge Message-ID: No contest, got to be "Chronicles Of The Black Sword". Best album, best tour. Thank you and goodnight. Zeit David G wrote: > Hi List, > > I have been introducing a Japanese friend to hawkwind, I shouldn't be > surprised to have been asked the question "Which is the besty album?" > Now, I think this should be an open question, Warriors or Doremi have > it for me, but what would people recommend as the "educational" best > album of choice? > > daveG -- ================================================================= ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 =========================================================================== From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jul 22 13:39:53 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:39:53 PDT Subject: HW: Reefer Madness Message-ID: >>I've just spotted a DVD of something called "Reefer Madness". >>Is this anything to do with Hawkwind? > > I'd assume its the hilarious 50s "beware the EVIL drug that is >marijuana" film. Why they'd put it onto DVD is beyond me, though... > >- Max Wilcox > Now that makes it worth the purchase price & shipping. Actually, reading the list of US DVD releases (not the UK one which comprises some 23 movies, none with extras) I am amazed at what's been chucked out on that format. It's almost like the budget crap that bulked-up the CD market for the 1st 5 years or so. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Wed Jul 22 13:46:20 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:46:20 PDT Subject: HW: Interesting Challenge Message-ID: >What would people recommend as the "educational" best >album of choice? > >daveG > Hawkwind are too varied for this lark. Get all your Hawkwind LP's together, and a couple of choice Calvert ones (or maybe just "...the Starfighters"), and take two tracks of each of them. Make a compilation tape. Put it in your friend's car stereo. Lock your friend in the car (leaving a window open a fraction, of course). Return 2 hrs later. I guess you'll know how they feel after that. Chris. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Wed Jul 22 13:50:05 1998 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 03:50:05 +1000 Subject: OFF: Multiverse emergency Message-ID: Howdy all, Sorry if this is off topic, but as the header states - this is an emergency. I remember some time ago, someone on the list saying they work in a comic shop - well... I'm urgently in need of Michael Moorcock's Multiverse 11. Living in Brisbane Australia, when the comics are sold out, they're sold out, and I'm having a had time finding it, and most certainly don't want to miss it. So, if anyone can get a hold of a copy, please e-mail me. Again, sorry for taking up everbody's e-mail download time.... - Max Wilcox From sdavmor at MCIONE.COM Wed Jul 22 14:02:47 1998 From: sdavmor at MCIONE.COM (S. Davies-Morris) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 11:02:47 -0700 Subject: HW: Reefer Madness Message-ID: I always thought that *Reefer Madness* was made in the 30s. Regards Steven Davies-Morris sdavmor at mcione.com Applications Liberate Hardware / JES & Assoc. (714) 557-8799 or (714) 553-8200 (@ JES) =================================================== -----Original Message----- From: Max Wilcox To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Wednesday, July 22, 1998 9:48 AM Subject: Re: HW: Reefer Madness >-----Original Message----- >From: Horse Whisperer >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Date: Thursday, 23 July 1998 2:36 >Subject: HW: Reefer Madness > > >>I've just spotted a DVD of something called "Reefer Madness". >>Is this anything to do with Hawkwind? > > > I'd assume its the hilarious 50s "beware the EVIL drug that is >marijuana" film. Why they'd put it onto DVD is beyond me, though... > >- Max Wilcox From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Jul 22 14:07:46 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:07:46 -0400 Subject: HW: MP3s of _Kings of Speed, Lords of Light_ bootleg CD Message-ID: Here's the next installment of MP3s made from available bootleg CDs. Since BOC went last time, it's Hawkwind's turn this time. :-) The source for the current crop of nine MP3s is the Hawkwind bootleg live CD, _Kings of Speed, Lords of Light_. I converted the tracks exactly as they came off the CD: no editing, polishing, etc. (You get what you pay for.:) I've compressed at 128 KBit/s bitrate, like before, using l3enc V2.00 on a Sun Sparc Ultra, so the sound quality is close to the original CD. (But, again, if anyone knows of any better freeware/ shareware MPEG audio compressors for Unix, let me know!) Does anyone know for sure where this gig is from? The back of the CD says Detroit, USA, but I dimly recall someone on here saying it's from Bochum, Germany. Can anyone supply the date and venue? The files can be obtained via anonymous ftp from gromit.dlib.vt.edu, in directory /pub/boc-l/koslol (ftp://gromit.dlib.vt.edu/pub/boc-l/koslol/). Remember to transfer these in binary mode. Also, once again, you are welcome to copy these files, but please do not link to them within WWW pages, as I don't want them to show up on search engines. Below is the message file for the directory: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This directory contains MPEG Layer 3 audio files taken from the live bootleg CD, Hawkwind, _Kings of Speed, Lords of Light_, compressed with a 128 Kbit/s bitrate. The contents are as follows: Track Time Size(K) Contents =============== ===== ===== ======== track_1.l3-128k 5:11 4864 Needle Gun / Starflight track_2.l3-128k 9:04 8496 Ejection / Time We Left This World Today track_3.l3-128k 12:26 11664 Blue Shift / The Right Stuff / Out of the Shadows track_4.l3-128k 10:33 9888 Snake Dance / Night of the Hawks track_5.l3-128k 12:24 11624 Levitation / You Know You're Only Dreaming / Arrival In Utopia / Paranoia (tease) track_6.l3-128k 5:43 5360 Master of the Universe track_7.l3-128k 7:00 6568 The Golden Void track_8.l3-128k 7:18 6840 Paranoia, Part 2 / Hassan I Sahbah track_9.l3-128k 9:08 8576 LSD <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Cheers, Paul. ob2CD-R: Warren Haynes, Flood Zone, Richmond, VA, 4/27/93 e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Wed Jul 22 14:14:06 1998 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 04:14:06 +1000 Subject: HW: Reefer Madness Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: S. Davies-Morris To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Date: Thursday, 23 July 1998 4:05 Subject: Re: HW: Reefer Madness >I always thought that *Reefer Madness* was made in the 30s. It could be, I had always thought it was late 40s / early 50s - but you most certainly could be right. I am by no means, and nor am I ever likely to be, a foremost authority on the film. - Max Wilcox From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jul 22 14:31:57 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:31:57 +0100 Subject: HW: Reefer Madness In-Reply-To: <005e01bdb59c$8eabeec0$2e916682@mir> Message-ID: Reaching for my Cinemania 97: --- Reefer Madness US (1936): Drama Leonard Maltin Review: 1.0 stars out of 4 67 min, No rating, Black & White, Available on videocassette The granddaddy of all "Worst" movies; one of that era's many low-budget "Warning!" films depicts (in now-hilarious fashion) how one puff of pot can lead clean-cut teenagers down the road to insanity and death. Lillian Miles' frenzied piano solo is a highlight, but in this more enlightened age, overall effect is a little sad. Originally titled THE BURNING QUESTION, then TELL YOUR CHILDREN; beware shorter prints. ? 1996 Microsoft Corporation and/or its suppliers. All rights reserved. --- - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jul 22 15:59:38 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:59:38 +0000 Subject: HW: Reefer Madness Message-ID: On ons 22 jul 1998 19.31 +0100 "Andy Gilham" wrote: > The granddaddy of all "Worst" movies; one of that era's many low-budget > "Warning!" films depicts (in now-hilarious fashion) how one puff of pot can > lead clean-cut teenagers down the road to insanity and death. Personally, I've always found the opposite to be true: One trip down the road to insanity and death leads to puffing pot ;) But if you've gotta travel, book a passage on the Spaceship Hawkwind. Captains of Spaceship Hawkwind, this is your technician speaking ... -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From OE3 at AOL.COM Wed Jul 22 15:18:51 1998 From: OE3 at AOL.COM (Eddie Williamson) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 15:18:51 EDT Subject: OFF: ozzfest and motorhead Message-ID: motorhead are headlining the second stage every night and are doing so because the original act, rob halford's two, didn't come through. they were supposed to headline the second stage area and for no real reason pulled out. it was a last minute thing, having motorhead called in. motorhead knew what they were getting into when they accepted, so any qualms or beefs about the "unfair billing" were FULLY WELL KNOWN to all parties involved. also, it's no secret that billing on festival tours like this is heirarchical by record sales, the motorhead anathema. sorry old farts (not nec. this list, just whining old- timers in gen.), the kids like limp bizkit and tool, deal with it. motorhead needs this exposure and this is the biggest tour they've done in ages. ozzfest is kicking ass all over the fruited plain, and getting motorhead in front of the youth-oriented ozzfest is the best thing for lemmy. oe3 From adawson at CLARA.NET Wed Jul 22 15:24:58 1998 From: adawson at CLARA.NET (Andrew Dawson) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:24:58 +0100 Subject: HW: found on rec.music.progressive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 09:39 22/07/98 +0100, you wrote: >I found the following in a sig in rec.music.progressive > >---------- >"The first man to set foot on Mars got its last remaining lifeform stuck > to the sole of his boot and said 'Oh fuck!'" - Robert Calvert > >Does anyone have a source for this? > >Mike w > > On the Atomhenge 76 bootleg CD-R Bob sings this on Uncle Sam's On Mars. Not sure if this was common during the tour though. Anyone know ?. Andy Andrew Dawson adawson at clara.net Into Hawkwind ? Then check out the Worldwide discography. http://home.clara.net/adawson From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jul 22 16:30:47 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:30:47 +0000 Subject: OFF: ozzfest and motorhead Message-ID: On ons 22 jul 1998 15.18 +0000 "" wrote: > also, it's no secret > that billing on festival tours like this is heirarchical by record sales, the > motorhead anathema. sorry old farts (not nec. this list, just whining old- > timers in gen.), the kids like limp bizkit and tool, deal with it. motorhead > needs this exposure and this is the biggest tour they've done in ages. > ozzfest is kicking ass all over the fruited plain, and getting motorhead in > front of the youth-oriented ozzfest is the best thing for lemmy. Agreed, Motorhead need/deserve the exposure. When they played here last year, I preach the gospel most mightily to the dissolute youth in the Cambridge Rock Society, and lo! fans were born. So I think they can still deliver it to "the kids" if they hear it and learn better than to suck on the weak and pox-ridden pap MTV feeds them ... Well, Tool are a cool band :) but Limp Bizkit?! Guess I'm an old fart before I'm 30. Better start getting my lines down: Damn kids! :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Wed Jul 22 15:55:32 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 15:55:32 -0400 Subject: OFF: ozzfest and motorhead Message-ID: > Well, Tool are a cool band :) but Limp Bizkit?! Guess I'm >an old fart before I'm 30. Better start getting my lines down: >Damn kids! :) Limp Bizkit are boring metal copycats. Coal Chamber, however, are carrying forth the glorious banner of Motorhead et al with their insane Cookie Monster growlings of "Me Loco!" The best metal I've heard since Sepultura's better days... OK, they're not _that_ great. I just dig their song on the radio. Brian ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html "You can cage a swallow, can't you? But you can't swallow a cage, can you?" ---------- >Cheers, >Carl > >-- >Carl Edlund Anderson >Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic >St. John's College, University of Cambridge >mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk >http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Jul 22 16:23:36 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:23:36 -0400 Subject: OFF: ozzfest and motorhead Message-ID: oe3 said... >ozzfest is kicking ass all over the fruited plain, and getting motorhead in >front of the youth-oriented ozzfest is the best thing for lemmy. >oe3 What you mean is that he's doing because of the young girls? :) Keith H. (FAA) "Aaarrrrggghhhhh!!" (I. Kilmister) From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Jul 22 19:12:17 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:12:17 -0400 Subject: HW: Interesting Challenge Message-ID: >Hi List, > >I have been introducing a Japanese friend to hawkwind, I shouldn't be >surprised to have been asked the question "Which is the besty album?" >Now, I think this should be an open question, Warriors or Doremi have >it for me, but what would people recommend as the "educational" best >album of choice? Yeah, I think Chris' suggestion is best. But if you don't want to take the time to make a tape, I'd suggest either Disc 2 of the Box Set, or Stasis as the proper starter. If I *had* to choose one album though, I'd say either Space Ritual or Warrior. But of course, 'Quark', 'Levitation', 'Choose Your Masques', and 'Electric Tepee' are all very nice works as well, respective of their various eras, and all six are really necessary until you get all of what Hawkwind has been about. I don't think Black Sword is the way to go, since I think there is a real wide variance of opinions on that one (I'm one who thinks it's subpar), so you might get a fantastically positive response, or perhaps the opposite. On the other hand, pretty much everyone agrees that Space Ritual is a classic I'd imagine. Keith H. (FAA) P.S. If your friend is actually *in* Japan, you should trade for a copy of Marble Sheep's 'Psychedelic Paradise Live' on Cap'n Trip. From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Jul 22 20:10:52 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:10:52 -0400 Subject: HW: Reefer Madness Message-ID: only in that the HW song is based on it. This movie sucks for factual content- there is none. it was funded by dupont in an all out effort to get pot officially banned, to cut down on hemp production, to make room for dupont's newly developed NYLON. BTW- this is a great movie to enjoy with dimmed lights and billowing hooter in hand. rj Horse Whisperer wrote: > > I've just spotted a DVD of something called "Reefer Madness". > Is this anything to do with Hawkwind? > > Chris. > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Wed Jul 22 20:11:54 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:11:54 -0400 Subject: HW: Interesting Challenge Message-ID: Just tell him which ones to avoid and let him take his pick. Or recommend the one that has the most content for the buck. rj From OE3 at AOL.COM Wed Jul 22 22:42:00 1998 From: OE3 at AOL.COM (Eddie Williamson) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:42:00 EDT Subject: OFF: ozzfest and motorhead Message-ID: In a message dated 7/22/98 12:26:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK writes: << > also, it's no secret > that billing on festival tours like this is heirarchical by record sales, the > motorhead anathema. sorry old farts (not nec. this list, just whining old- > timers in gen.), the kids like limp bizkit and tool, deal with it. motorhead > needs this exposure and this is the biggest tour they've done in ages. > ozzfest is kicking ass all over the fruited plain, and getting motorhead in > front of the youth-oriented ozzfest is the best thing for lemmy. Agreed, Motorhead need/deserve the exposure. When they played here last year, I preach the gospel most mightily to the dissolute youth in the Cambridge Rock Society, and lo! fans were born. So I think they can still deliver it to "the kids" if they hear it and learn better than to suck on the weak and pox-ridden pap MTV feeds them ... Well, Tool are a cool band :) but Limp Bizkit?! Guess I'm an old fart before I'm 30. Better start getting my lines down: Damn kids! :) Cheers, Carl >> btw, i forgot to add that i saw motorhead play in front of damn near 40,000 heads (at least half were under 25, too) at the "ozzfest gets warped" show in somerset, wis. (q: what would be their last and all-time largest audiences?) it was just before dusk and the crowd was at lemmy's fingertips. THEY CRUSHED!! the 40 min. set was short, yes, but oh so sweet: "overkill", "stay clean", "no class", "killed by death", "sacrifice", "ace of spades" and a couple of others. loud, proud, and fucking righteous!!! unfortunately the crowd didn't give lemmy the ups he deserves; they were lacking luster and respect and were rather passive for drunk cheeseheads. fuck 'em! oe3 p.s. ozzy was "on", too, with a show-starting/stopping one-two-three wollop of "believer"--unbelievable, "i don't know" and "bark at the moon". his voice was pristine and he has his best band since '82 in tow, too. From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Thu Jul 23 00:33:02 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:33:02 -0700 Subject: OFF: Paging Stephan Spiegel Message-ID: Hello to Stephan Spiegel, or someone who knows him: Please contact Mike Coleman at (972)-991-6621, or (972)-991-7552. From fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU Thu Jul 23 10:41:29 1998 From: fiskare at WEBCONCEPT.COM.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:41:29 +1000 Subject: Pittsburgh Message-ID: Hey Guys, Anyone going to the Pittsburgh show on the 21st of August? I will be in the USA on my holidays and am going to attempt to be there.... Troy =========================================== Troy Harris fiskare at webconcept.com.au From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Thu Jul 23 01:37:56 1998 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 07:37:56 +0200 Subject: HW: MP3s of _Kings of Speed, Lords of Light_ bootleg CD Message-ID: Hello >Does anyone know for sure where this gig is from? The back of the CD >says Detroit, USA, but I dimly recall someone on here saying it's from >Bochum, Germany. Can anyone supply the date and venue? This gig was for sure recorded in Bochum, Germany. The hall is called "Zeche". The date is: 08.Oct.1991 The tape was recorded by a friend of mine (hi Andreas!). I was also there. You can hear me whisteling loud at the end of the gig. I do not know who made this boot, but I suppose it was a guy from the southern part of Germany Bernhard From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Thu Jul 23 02:11:09 1998 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 00:11:09 -0600 Subject: HW: Interesting Challenge Message-ID: Horse Whisperer wrote: > >What would people recommend as the "educational" best > >album of choice? > > > >daveG > > > > Hawkwind are too varied for this lark. > > Get all your Hawkwind LP's together, and a couple of choice Calvert ones > (or maybe just "...the Starfighters"), and take two tracks of each of > them. > Make a compilation tape. > Put it in your friend's car stereo. > Lock your friend in the car (leaving a window open a fraction, of > course). > Return 2 hrs later. > > I guess you'll know how they feel after that. > > Chris. Chris-I like your solution!!! I was handed *3* as starters-from a friend that *doesn't* loan CD's. They were-LIS, Warrior...... & Live Chronicles. I fell in love with them about the time I heard Magnu. My friend then proceded to dub the rest! And so goes the story! Anyhow-This is a great idea!! Rock on! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool > Hey Guys, > > > Anyone going to the Pittsburgh show on the 21st of August? > > I will be in the USA on my holidays and am going to attempt to be there.... > > Troy It's remotely possible for me, Troy, but remotely. I'm only about three hours or so from Pitt, but I just bought a house a month ago, and my wife won't let me spend any money. I hear the amphitheater is a really cool place to catch a concert (at least I think they're holding it there). Never been there myself. Speaking of Pittsburgh, since there was discussion recently about Skynyrd's "Lyve from Steeltown", I thought I'd mention that I'm going to see Skynyrd tonight in State College, PA. If anyone's interested, I'll give some impressions tomorrow morning. -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Jul 23 00:34:43 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 04:34:43 +0000 Subject: OFF: ozzfest and motorhead Message-ID: > p.s. ozzy was "on", too, with a show-starting/stopping one-two-three wollop of > "believer"--unbelievable, "i don't know" and "bark at the moon". his voice > was pristine and he has his best band since '82 in tow, too. BARK AT THE MOON! AOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWW! -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Jul 23 00:34:43 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 04:34:43 +0000 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet Message-ID: >From discussion on the list, I know there's at least a smattering of Monster Magnet fans on the list. I've never heard the band myself, but my (alternative) radio station just started playing Space Lord, and the music director told me he thinks I'd like it. What are these guys like? P.S. - I'm not much of a Hawkwind fan, if that helps. -- Nick From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jul 23 05:19:31 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:19:31 +0100 Subject: OFF: Multiverse emergency In-Reply-To: <004f01bdb599$2a39d9a0$2e916682@mir> Message-ID: In article <004f01bdb599$2a39d9a0$2e916682 at mir>, Max Wilcox writes >Howdy all, > > Sorry if this is off topic, but as the header states - this is >an emergency. > I remember some time ago, someone on the list saying they work >in a comic shop - well... I'm urgently in need of Michael Moorcock's >Multiverse 11. Living in Brisbane Australia, when the comics are sold out, >they're sold out, and I'm having a had time finding it, and most certainly >don't want to miss it. > So, if anyone can get a hold of a copy, please e-mail me. > Again, sorry for taking up everbody's e-mail download time.... > >- Max Wilcox I thought we all did at one point :-0 Yeah, Max, I've got yer Multiverse #11 right here. e-mail me for shipping etc. -- Jon From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Thu Jul 23 07:29:26 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:29:26 +0000 Subject: HW: Interesting Challenge - The final solution! In-Reply-To: <35B67FCA.9393A8DD@blackboard.com> Message-ID: I'm sorry folks! There's NO contest He HAS to be given a copy of Hall of the Mountain Grill as first choice, And after he's heard Paradox for the first time, you'll need to somehow re-introduce him back to reality! Guy From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jul 23 07:31:07 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 07:31:07 EDT Subject: Pittsburgh In-Reply-To: <199807230828.EAA09691@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: > From: "" > Speaking of Pittsburgh, since there was discussion recently about > Skynyrd's "Lyve from Steeltown", I thought I'd mention that I'm going > to see Skynyrd tonight in State College, PA. If anyone's interested, > I'll give some impressions tomorrow morning. > Nick, I'd like to see a review. I've been avoiding LS like 'that smell' since Ed King left. I've heard some pretty bad impressions of the current lineup... ******************************* theo "...Power in the hands of fools..." From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Thu Jul 23 07:31:54 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 12:31:54 +0100 Subject: Pittsburgh Message-ID: > > > > > Speaking of Pittsburgh, since there was discussion recently about > Skynyrd's "Lyve from Steeltown", I thought I'd mention that I'm going > to see Skynyrd tonight in State College, PA. If anyone's interested, > I'll give some impressions tomorrow morning. > > -- Nick > Cool. What impressions do you do? Cheers, Rich. ** "Does that look like 'submarine' or 'sandwich' to you, man?" ** From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jul 23 09:38:13 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:38:13 +0000 Subject: HW: Davey &c. Message-ID: Having given the matter some thought, there is now no remaining doubt in my mind that _Captured Rotation_ utterly blows _Distant Horizons_ and _IITBOTFTBD_ away. IMO, the best HW tracks of the 90s not on _ET_ or _A4_ (or _LiS_) are definitely on _CR_, Ron's dodgy vocals not withstanding. I think Alan played even more Brockoid guitar than Brock has for some time. Some of the little spacey instrumentals are pretty fine too. Hmm. Pity I hear the Bedouin album isn't as good! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET Thu Jul 23 08:44:25 1998 From: kevin.perry at VIRGIN.NET (Kevin Perry) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:44:25 +0100 Subject: Davey &c. In-Reply-To: <378886.3110189893@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: I reckon Bedouin's better - mainly because it has Alan singing (albeit on 2 ttracks only) rather than Ron. The first 2 tracks on Bedouin are absolutely excellent. Kevin Perry Technical Manager Wide Multimedia http://www.wide.co.uk/ > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List > [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU] On Behalf Of Carl Edlund Anderson > Sent: 23 July 1998 13:43 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: HW: Davey &c. > > Having given the matter some thought, there is now no > remaining doubt in my mind that _Captured Rotation_ utterly > blows _Distant Horizons_ and _IITBOTFTBD_ away. IMO, the best > HW tracks of the 90s not on _ET_ or _A4_ (or _LiS_) are > definitely on _CR_, Ron's dodgy vocals not withstanding. I > think Alan played even more Brockoid guitar than Brock has > for some time. Some of the little spacey instrumentals are > pretty fine too. > > Hmm. Pity I hear the Bedouin album isn't as good! > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic > St. John's College, University of Cambridge > mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk > http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Jul 23 09:38:53 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:38:53 +0100 Subject: HW: Davey &c. In-Reply-To: <378886.3110189893@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 13:38 23/07/98 +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >I think Alan played even more Brockoid guitar than Brock has >for some time. It's the guitar work that seems lacklustre on this album, to me. It's not bad or anything, but it just doesn't have the edge of Dave's playing. The bass and synths are excellent, and the drumming is impressive for programmed drums. But I wish it has been a HW album, with Dave on guitar and Richard on drums. (Then again, if it had been a HW album, it wouldn't have been the same songs...). Dave. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jul 23 09:13:10 1998 From: MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark P Lee) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:13:10 +0100 Subject: A Davey Message-ID: Greets, Alan Davey & Bedouin, saw some stuff saying he/they were playing around the states, I know that they are also arranging gigs in the UK as I heard a demo tape they sent to a pub near me, would appreciate impressions from people who've seen him/them in action... Thanks, Mark ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please reply to mark at esparto.demon.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Jul 23 11:32:38 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:32:38 -0500 Subject: HW: Reefer Madness Message-ID: >BTW- this is a great movie to enjoy with dimmed lights and >billowing hooter in hand. >rj heheheheheh Tick hat on.... "1976, the American University Campus (Wash. DC), I remember becuase of the bongs..." Student Union sponsored a showing of this classic and invited all comers to bring their bongs/pipes/papers. You could barely see the screen through the smoke. Has this one ever been done on Mystery Science Theater 3000? Ah the good old days... Ghost in the Ruins From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Jul 23 11:36:30 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:36:30 -0700 Subject: OFF: Old Farts and Oz Fest Message-ID: >ozzfest is kicking ass all over the fruited plain, and getting motorhead in front of the youth-oriented ozzfest is the best thing for lemmy. >oe3 Well thats a good thing isn't it? >sorry old farts (not nec. this list, just whining old- timers in gen.), the kids like limp bizkit and tool, deal with it. Hey no fair 8>) This old fart happens to be a big fan of Sevendust. There on the bill in this area, did they appear near you? Did they Kick it? Ghost in the Ruins From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jul 23 11:45:02 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:45:02 EDT Subject: Carmine RIP? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Someone on another list said that Carmine Appice dies in a car wreck. Can anyone confirm this? Always thought he was right up there with Albert in the ethereal firmament of percussion... ******************************* theo "...Power in the hands of fools..." From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Fri Jul 24 11:57:40 1998 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:57:40 +0800 Subject: Carmine RIP? Message-ID: >Someone on another list said that Carmine Appice dies in a car wreck. >Can anyone confirm this? Always thought he was right up there with >Albert in the ethereal firmament of percussion... Either most drummers have a habit of dying this way, or the person was getting confused with Cozy Powell? William From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Jul 23 12:54:34 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:54:34 +0100 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet Message-ID: When I first heard of them in 92(?) they were described as Hawkwind crossed with Black Sabbath, whi off tho buy their "Evil" 12". WHich was exactly that (and a Howlin Wolf cover to boot). So there you go - psychedelic Sabbath with blues overtones. Buy anything you can. Much as I love the new "Powertrip", I still prefer "Dopes To Infinity". But they are superb. Zeit obcd Wet WIllie - Greatest Hits >>From discussion on the list, I know there's at least a smattering of > Monster Magnet fans on the list. I've never heard the band myself, > but my (alternative) radio station just started playing Space Lord, > and the music director told me he thinks I'd like it. What are these > guys like? > > P.S. - I'm not much of a Hawkwind fan, if that helps. > > -- Nick -- ================================================================= ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 =========================================================================== From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jul 23 11:12:16 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:12:16 +0100 Subject: HW: Davey &c. In-Reply-To: <378886.3110189893@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: In article <378886.3110189893 at cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk>, Carl Edlund Anderson writes > Having given the matter some thought, there is now no >remaining doubt in my mind that _Captured Rotation_ utterly >blows _Distant Horizons_ and _IITBOTFTBD_ away. IMO, the best >HW tracks of the 90s not on _ET_ or _A4_ (or _LiS_) are >definitely on _CR_ and that's a fact! -- Jon From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Thu Jul 23 12:55:20 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David G) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:55:20 +0100 Subject: HW: Interesting Challenge Message-ID: Keith Henderson wrote: > >Hi List, > > > >I have been introducing a Japanese friend to hawkwind, I shouldn't be > >surprised to have been asked the question "Which is the besty album?" > >Now, I think this should be an open question, Warriors or Doremi have > >it for me, but what would people recommend as the "educational" best > >album of choice? > > Yeah, I think Chris' suggestion is best. But if you don't want to take the > time to make a tape, I'd suggest either Disc 2 of the Box Set, or Stasis as > the proper starter. > > If I *had* to choose one album though, I'd say either Space Ritual or > Warrior. But of course, 'Quark', 'Levitation', 'Choose Your Masques', and > 'Electric Tepee' are all very nice works as well, respective of their > various eras, and all six are really necessary until you get all of what > Hawkwind has been about. > > I don't think Black Sword is the way to go, since I think there is a real > wide variance of opinions on that one (I'm one who thinks it's subpar), so > you might get a fantastically positive response, or perhaps the opposite. > On the other hand, pretty much everyone agrees that Space Ritual is a > classic I'd imagine. > > Keith H. (FAA) > > P.S. If your friend is actually *in* Japan, you should trade for a copy of > Marble Sheep's 'Psychedelic Paradise Live' on Cap'n Trip. At the moment he is sat next to me here, he has never heard of this, but will be looking, thanks! I think I'm going to have make a tape then burn it to CD. I'm interested that no-one has come up with Calvert Era albums yet (except quark), I wonder if i am the only person in the list who rates "Astounding"!! This is turning into an interesting discussion, Thanks, daveG From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Thu Jul 23 12:57:35 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David G) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:57:35 +0100 Subject: HW: Interesting Challenge Message-ID: Cliff and Pam Wheaton wrote: > Horse Whisperer wrote: > > > >What would people recommend as the "educational" best > > >album of choice? > > > > > >daveG > > > > > > > Hawkwind are too varied for this lark. > > > > Get all your Hawkwind LP's together, and a couple of choice Calvert ones > > (or maybe just "...the Starfighters"), and take two tracks of each of > > them. > > Make a compilation tape. > > Put it in your friend's car stereo. > > Lock your friend in the car (leaving a window open a fraction, of > > course). > > Return 2 hrs later. > > > > I guess you'll know how they feel after that. > > > > Chris. > > Chris-I like your solution!!! I was handed *3* as starters-from a friend > that *doesn't* loan CD's. They were-LIS, Warrior...... & Live Chronicles. I > fell in love with them about the time I heard Magnu. > My friend then proceded to dub the rest! And so goes the story! Anyhow-This > is a great idea!! > Rock on! > Pam agreed, I like this solution! Of course, what I really need is a tour! by the by, When I got in from work today, he was half way through taping the Ozrics Collection, who says the Japanese don't rock! DaveG From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Thu Jul 23 12:59:36 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David G) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:59:36 +0100 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet Message-ID: >>From discussion on the list, I know there's at least a smattering of > Monster Magnet fans on the list. I've never heard the band myself, > but my (alternative) radio station just started playing Space Lord, > and the music director told me he thinks I'd like it. What are these > guys like? > > P.S. - I'm not much of a Hawkwind fan, if that helps. > > -- Nick Take decent "Trance Music" (if tht's not a contradiction) turn up the volume, replace the synths with guitars, turn down the lights and play loud! The correspondance on the list convinced me to try them, i started with Tab and am still recovering. DaveG From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Jul 23 13:02:35 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:02:35 +0100 Subject: Carmine RIP? Message-ID: Here's the latest I heard on Carmine. "Carmine will be playing at University of New Mexico in Lacusas on Sept. 26 along with the World Classic Rockers. World Classic Rockers includes Denny Lane (Wings), Randy Meisner (Eagles), Bobby Kimble (Toto), and Nick St. Nicholas & Michael Monarch, the original Bass and Guitar men with Steppenwolf. Don't miss this! * The group Carmine finished touring Japan with in April, Pearl, consists of Carmine(drums), Tony Franklin (bass),Shota (vocals), and Kenji Katajima (guitar). Pearl's album by the same name has now gone gold in Japan! * Pearl also sold 50,000 singles that included the track Long Time which Carmine wrote the music and part of the lyrics for. Pearl will be starting work on a new CD beginning in August or September this year." Zeit Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 wrote: > Someone on another list said that Carmine Appice dies in a car wreck. > Can anyone confirm this? Always thought he was right up there with > Albert in the ethereal firmament of percussion... > > ******************************* > > theo > > "...Power in the hands of fools..." -- ================================================================= ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 =========================================================================== From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Thu Jul 23 13:04:03 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David G) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:04:03 +0100 Subject: A Davey Message-ID: Mark P Lee wrote: > Greets, > > Alan Davey & Bedouin, saw some stuff saying he/they were playing around the > states, > I know that they are also arranging gigs in the UK as I heard a demo tape > they sent to > a pub near me, would appreciate impressions from people who've seen > him/them in > action... > > Thanks, Mark > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Please reply to > > mark at esparto.demon.co.uk > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Someone is certainly trading on the idea, my local venue also has been approached, but nothing firm they say. DaveG From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Thu Jul 23 13:07:35 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:07:35 -0400 Subject: BOC: Another station plays Harvest Moon Message-ID: On my lunch break I heard HM on WCMF in Rochester, NY. Good to know that HM is still winning over stations. Anyone have the latest chart news? Brian ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html "I'm back like a vertebrate." -Insane Clown Posse ---------- From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Thu Jul 23 13:09:11 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David G) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:09:11 +0100 Subject: HW: Interesting Challenge - The final solution! Message-ID: LN1GJT wrote: > I'm sorry folks! > > There's NO contest > > He HAS to be given a copy of Hall of the Mountain Grill as first choice, > > And after he's heard Paradox for the first time, you'll need to somehow > re-introduce him back to reality! > > Guy Ah, now someone has landed on my all time favourite album. Even if it's not the most era defining, it is the one that has worn out most often. (must get the CD soon) DaveG From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jul 23 13:12:47 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:12:47 EDT Subject: Carmine RIP? In-Reply-To: <00f801bdb71b$cb9e6f80$29483bcb@xl5> Message-ID: > From: William Duffy > >Someone on another list said that Carmine Appice dies in a car wreck. > >Can anyone confirm this? Always thought he was right up there with > >Albert in the ethereal firmament of percussion... > > Either most drummers have a habit of dying this way, or the person was > getting confused with Cozy Powell? > Yeah, I shoulda known. The dude later changed his story and admitted it was Cozy, not Carmine. I still miss Cozy... ******************************* theo "...Power in the hands of fools..." From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Jul 23 13:16:58 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:16:58 +0100 Subject: HW: Interesting Challenge In-Reply-To: <35B76B7F.247ABF00@virgin.net> Message-ID: I recorded a "History of Hawkwind" pair of tapes, with one track from each album. Actually, a friend of mine did this first, and I recorded an alternate history, with different tracks from each album. Both sets make good introductions, IMO. Dave. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From sdavmor at MCIONE.COM Thu Jul 23 14:56:54 1998 From: sdavmor at MCIONE.COM (S. Davies-Morris) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:56:54 -0700 Subject: Interesting Challenge - The final solution! Message-ID: >I'm sorry folks! > >There's NO contest > >He HAS to be given a copy of Hall of the Mountain Grill as first choice, > >And after he's heard Paradox for the first time, you'll need to somehow >re-introduce him back to reality! I 2nd this observation. For overall texture when presenting a newboy Hawkwind, if I wasn't going to make a compilation tape, I'd play *Hall Of The Mountain Grill*. It has held up really well over a quarter of a century, IMO. -- Regards Steven Davies-Morris sdavmor at mcione.com ======================================================= From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Thu Jul 23 15:23:10 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:23:10 -0400 Subject: HW: Interesting Challenge - The final solution! Message-ID: >I 2nd this observation. For overall texture when presenting a newboy >Hawkwind, if I wasn't going to make a compilation tape, I'd play *Hall >Of The Mountain Grill*. It has held up really well over a quarter of a >century, IMO. I can vouch for this: HotMG was my first HW album (I was here for BOC originally) and PW (DIS) totally blew me away. I now own 10 HW albums and counting (HotMG is still my favorite, although I can't find Warrior, or a decently priced Space Ritual remaster, in the stores so I haven't checked them out yet.) Brian ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html "We are drawing a moustache on the wanted poster of the face of music." -Fierce Wicker ---------- >-- >Regards >Steven Davies-Morris sdavmor at mcione.com >======================================================= From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Jul 23 16:07:43 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:07:43 -0700 Subject: HW: Interesting Challenge - The final solution! Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:23:10 -0400, Brian Halligan wrote: >>I 2nd this observation. For overall texture when presenting a newboy >>Hawkwind, if I wasn't going to make a compilation tape, I'd play *Hall >>Of The Mountain Grill*. It has held up really well over a quarter of a >>century, IMO.I can vouch for this: > >HotMG was my first HW album (I was here for BOC originally) and PW (DIS) >totally blew me away. I now own 10 HW albums and counting (HotMG is >still my favorite, although I can't find Warrior, or a decently priced >Space Ritual remaster, in the stores so I haven't checked them out yet.) I guess I gotta jump in on this, too ... the first Hawkwind I ever heard was "Psychedelic Warlords" on my college's radio station in fall 84 ... I was so blown away that I ran down to the store the next day and bought secondhand copies of "Space Ritual", "Roadhawks" and "Live 79" (all for less than $5 each ... ah, the 1980s ...). Come to think of it, all three of those would make good introductions (IMO, of course). There should probably be some kind of FAQ on this subject, though, since a previous poster quite correctly pointed out that certain HW albums will make better introductions than others, depending on their individual music tastes. I wouldn't start someone into punk or alternative rock off with 'Chronicle of the Black Sword', for instance (unless I was trying to make them laugh) - but 'Stasis', 'Quark', or 'Hawklords Live' would probably fit the bill. OTOH, CotBS and 'Levitation' (as well as the intermediary albums) would make great starters for someone coming from a heavy metal background, but 'Astounding Sounds' surely wouldn't. And for someone who's a fan of Primus and the Red Hot Chilli Peppers, I'd start off by playing "Time For Sale" from the new 'Atomhenge' CD-R (who does Paul Rudolph think he is ... Bootsy Collins?!). At the very least, there ought to be a list of HW albums that BOC fans should start with ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jul 23 17:45:32 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:45:32 +0000 Subject: HW: Davey &c. Message-ID: On tor 23 jul 1998 14.38 +0100 "Dave Berry" wrote: > At 13:38 23/07/98 +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >>I think Alan played even more Brockoid guitar than Brock has >>for some time. > > It's the guitar work that seems lacklustre on this album, to me. It's not > bad or anything, but it just doesn't have the edge of Dave's playing. A fair criticism--though at least the guitar is _there_, and as we all regularly lament, Dave's guitar has been drifting further and further into the background :P > The > bass and synths are excellent, and the drumming is impressive for > programmed drums. But I wish it has been a HW album, with Dave on guitar > and Richard on drums. That I cannot but agree with! (And yes, with Dave or Alan on vocals too :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Thu Jul 23 21:10:58 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:10:58 -0400 Subject: HW: Davey &c. Message-ID: The BEDOUIN album kicks ass! it is easily as good as captured rotation, if not better. but the two are vastly different, so really apples and oranges. or.. oranges and grapefruits at least. =) rj Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > Having given the matter some thought, there is now no > remaining doubt in my mind that _Captured Rotation_ utterly > blows _Distant Horizons_ and _IITBOTFTBD_ away. IMO, the best > HW tracks of the 90s not on _ET_ or _A4_ (or _LiS_) are > definitely on _CR_, Ron's dodgy vocals not withstanding. I > think Alan played even more Brockoid guitar than Brock has > for some time. Some of the little spacey instrumentals are > pretty fine too. > > Hmm. Pity I hear the Bedouin album isn't as good! > > Cheers, > Carl > > -- > Carl Edlund Anderson > Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic > St. John's College, University of Cambridge > mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk > http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Thu Jul 23 23:39:50 1998 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:39:50 -0500 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet Message-ID: Monster Magnet: http://members.aol.com/rickilucy/audio.html Worth checking out! Saw them this year at Milwaukee's Summerfest. Can one ever get enough of "hair bands" and flaming guitars? Definitely recommended. From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Thu Jul 23 23:51:24 1998 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:51:24 -0500 Subject: OFF: more Monster Magnet Message-ID: There's more! This Monster Magnet site recommends listening to the first five Hawkwind albums! http://pc93.chm.bris.ac.uk/~andy/MonsterMagnet.html > Since starting this page a number of questions have sprung up, here's a sample... > > What should I go out and buy while I am waiting for the next album ? > > Hawkwind > The first five albums have recently been re-released on CD with new packaging, extra tracks etc. > Atomic Bitch Wax > Ed Mundell's sibeband. > Captain Copter & the Fabulous Twirlibirds > Randy California's (ex-Spirit) band. > Fu Manchu > Kyuss > Core > Acid King > Sleep From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Jul 24 00:15:50 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:15:50 -0400 Subject: HW: Interesting Challenge In-Reply-To: <35B76AF8.BF31054A@virgin.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Jul 1998, David G wrote: > no-one has come up with Calvert Era albums yet (except quark), I wonder if i > am the only person in the list who rates "Astounding"!! Nah. "Pops" Shipley and I are probably the resident list champions and defenders of that much-maligned album... :-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Monster Magnet, _Spine of God_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Jul 24 00:25:19 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:25:19 -0400 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet In-Reply-To: <35B76BF8.9B478A58@virgin.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Jul 1998, David G wrote: > Take decent "Trance Music" (if tht's not a contradiction) turn up the > volume, replace the synths with guitars, turn down the lights and play > loud! The correspondance on the list convinced me to try them, i > started with Tab and am still recovering. If you like _25..... Tab_, then you MUST get _Spine of God_ (probably its closest sibling). The albums after that move away from the "pure" stoner rock to more of a rock/metal feel (though still really tasty). Oh, and Carl is dead on about "Bummer" off _Powertrip_. A dead ringer for "Time We Left This World Today," except without the super bass freakout... Cheers, Paul. obCD: Hash Jar Tempo, _Well Oiled_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM Fri Jul 24 01:19:49 1998 From: novadrive at PANGEATECH.COM (Kevin Sommers) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:19:49 -0700 Subject: HW: Interesting Challenge In-Reply-To: <002901bdb596$e9592fa0$2e916682@mir> Message-ID: >I have been introducing a Japanese friend to hawkwind, I shouldn't be >surprised to have been asked the question "Which is the besty album?" >Now, I think this should be an open question, Warriors or Doremi have >it for me, but what would people recommend as the "educational" best >album of choice? If you don't necessarily want to limit your choice to albums, I'd highly recommend the "Live Legends" video. Various eras are represented, sound quality and playing are top-notch, and there's always that "ballet" dancer...... Kevin Sommers ? Primiti too taa, nnz kkr muu ? http://www.psn.net/~novadrive/ > From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri Jul 24 01:01:58 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 05:01:58 +0000 Subject: OFF: SKYNYRD CONCERT Message-ID: Well, I saw Skynyrd live last night in State College, PA. Here's an overview: First of all, I would recommend the show to any Skynyrd fan. The band rocked pretty hard, played great, and Johnnie is a far better frontman than I'd have believed...really kept the crowd going and was "up" and "on" all night, despite a less-than-expected turnout. Short show...approx. 90 minutes...but lots of hits. One downer: NO "LAST REBEL"! I arrived too late to see opening act Drivin' and Cryin', so I can't tell you anything about them. But here's a pretty interesting note: In between, as the roadies were setting up Skynyrd's equipment, there was the usual music blaring from the speakers. Lots of unfamiliar songs, then somewhere in the middle, I recognized a familiar riff...whaddaya know? - BUCK'S BOOGIE! Kinda like BOC with that Blade Runner tune, Skynyrd had entrance music. It was one of those classic Western themes, I think from an old TV show. It was a familiar song, but nobody I was with could place it. All I can tell you for sure was that it wasn't Bonanza or Rawhide. The show opened with "We Ain't Much Different", off their latest studio album. It was a good lead-off tune, hard-jammin'. Personally, I'd have preferred "Workin' for MCA", but I guess we've heard that one for the last time. I must admit, though, I was half-hoping they'd launch into a tongue-in-cheek variation called "Workin' for CMC", but of course that didn't happen. Anyway, this one and "Berniece" were the only two new songs in the entire set. The rest was classic Skynyrd. "Curtis Lowe" got star treatment, with Johnnie and Hughie Thomasson sitting on stools front and center, and everyone else in the background. I've never seen Skynyrd, so this was kind of unexpected for me, but Gary Rossington was much more of a background player. Rick Medlocke was really the scene-stealer of the show. Thin, gaunt and lanky, with thin, whispy blonde hair and a fair complexion, he actually kind of looked like Alan Lanier up there with one important difference...he was a non-stop bundle of energy from start to finish. A really awesome player and showman. Hughie took the spotlight on a couple songs as well. He wore black from head-to-toe...leather vest and black hat. He's big and brawney, and reminded me a little bit of Lemmy on the "Ace of Spades" album cover. I held out hope right to the end that the band might launch into "Ghost Riders in the Sky" or "Train Train", but I guess when you've got a back catalogue like Skynyrd's, there ain't much time for covers. As usual, Leon wore a different hat for practically every song. As I said, Johnnie was a really good frontman, and he sang great. But the way he frequently invoked Ronnie's name, and even wore a shirt with his picture on the back, the show at times felt like a memorial concert and not a performance by a band that's still recording new music in the 90s. Before launching into "That Smell", he asked the crowd to "learn a lesson from this next song". He dedicated "Simple Man" to all the mothers and mothers-to-be, and said it was one of the many great lyrics his brother wrote. Skynyrd's "Big Two" ended the show. "Alabama" was the last song, and "Freebird" the encore. Strangely enough, Johnnie bolted off the stage after the vocals were done for Freebird, and NEVER RETURNED! Not even for the big finish, just to say, "Thank you, goodnight" or something like that. In all, a damn good show. Better than I expected. Worth the twenty bucks or so if they come to your area (although the only reason I went was because tix were free through my radio station). -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri Jul 24 01:01:58 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 05:01:58 +0000 Subject: BOC: Another station plays Harvest Moon Message-ID: > On my lunch break I heard HM on WCMF in Rochester, NY. Good to know > that HM is still winning over stations. Anyone have the latest chart > news? > > Brian I'll try to remember to check later today. -- Nick From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jul 24 06:04:09 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 10:04:09 +0000 Subject: HW: Davey &c. Message-ID: On tor 23 jul 1998 21.10 -0400 sprawl wrote: > The BEDOUIN album kicks ass! it is easily as good as captured rotation, > if not better. > but the two are vastly different, so really apples and oranges. or.. > oranges and grapefruits at least. =) Well, I shall have to check it out, for sure! I've not heard it yet, only rumorings about it. -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Fri Jul 24 05:47:18 1998 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 11:47:18 +0200 Subject: HW:Bedoiun Message-ID: Seems there has been a lot of talk about Bedoiun. These gusy have really been getting better. I just saw them in Hamburg in June and they were incredible live. I thought the CD was pretty good, but they really smoke live! The guitar player has really come into his own and plays some killer stuff and Alan is a MONSTER live... They are all really nice guys as well. Danny thompson has really had to crank it up a notch as a drummer and has been able to do so. I was very impressed. Heard MOnster magnet will play Malmo sweden on August 25th, so I hope to go and interview them again... Was reading the MAN biography by Deke Leonard called Rhino's Winos and Lunatics and this is an incredible book. One of the best i have read in a long time. Anyway, there is a section where the band tours with REO Speedwagon and BOC. It turns out they really hit it off with BOC and had a great time for that tour. I can't remember the details but it is quite a funny page in the book. scott ObCD-Core- Revival (heard they have a new name now and a new Cd is finished) R. Scott Heller PhD Hagedorn Research Institute Niels Steensensvej 6 DK 2820 Gentofte Denmark (45) 44 43 91 96 or 44 3 91 38 Phone (45) 44 43 80 00 Fax shll at hagedorn.dk or heller at hagedorn.dk Http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stage/7713 From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri Jul 24 02:01:12 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 06:01:12 +0000 Subject: OFF: SKYNYRD CONCERT Message-ID: Just one more quick note: This morning's local paper ran a picture of the show, with Gary Rossington identified as Hughie Thomasson. Should send a copy to Gary...should brighten his day! -- Nick From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jul 24 08:37:05 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 12:37:05 +0000 Subject: HW:Bedoiun Message-ID: On fre 24 jul 1998 11.47 +0200 "Scott Heller" wrote: > Heard MOnster magnet will play Malmo sweden on August 25th, so I hope to go > and interview them again... Argh, I was just planning to leave from Copenhagen on the 25th! Well, I've not bought the tix yet :) Scott, if we went to that show, how long would it take to get back to Copenhagen so I could safely catch a plane the next day or whenever? MM in Sweden, what a trip! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Jul 24 09:45:15 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 08:45:15 -0500 Subject: HW: Recommendations for BOC fans Message-ID: >he is ... Bootsy Collins?!). At the very least, there ought to be a list of HW albums that BOC fans should start with ... This BOC fan started with Chronicles of the Black Sword (Live). Also purchased Live '79. Really surprised by the sound. Hawks kick ass! >Zeit >obcd Wet WIllie - Greatest Hits Oh man! Now I'm scratching what used to be my hair, trying to remember that song of theirs I used to froog to back in the day. Come and get your Love? Nope that was Redbone. Damn help me out here Zeit, it was a big radio hit. Ghost in the Ruins "Isn't sanity just a one trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking. But when your good and crazy the sky's the limit." -The Tick From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Jul 24 09:52:40 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 08:52:40 -0500 Subject: OFF: Skynard, good memories Message-ID: > Skynyrd's "Lyve from Steeltown", I thought I'd mention that I'm going to see Skynyrd tonight in State College, PA. If anyone's interested, I'll give some impressions tomorrow morning. heheheheheh Tick hat on....again! "1977, RFK stadium, the City (Wash. DC), I remember becuase of the clouds..." Huge festival. Ted Nugent (kicked booty) REO Speedwagon (surprisingly good) Lynard Skynard the original lineup. Very hot, muggy day with lots of grey clouds. When Skynard did Freebird, the clouds broke and the sun shone through. Brilliant performance, I'll never forget it. Aerosmith was the headliner. Not bad but Tyler and Perry were real drugged out and almost a non-factor. Whitford played most of the leads and was excellent. Joey Kramer played the best farkin' drum solo I have ever seen live. ah the good old days... Ghost in the Ruins "Ya know gang when you're a superhero you never know where the day will take you. You may find yourself halfway around the world in shark infested waters of true to life living or you may find yourself going down to the store for a lozenge. You can't know can you? No, you got to ride that wave, you got to suck that lozenge. Because if you don't, who will? - The Tick From m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU Fri Jul 24 11:17:55 1998 From: m.wilcox at UQ.NET.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 01:17:55 +1000 Subject: HW:Bedoiun Message-ID: On the topic of Bedoiun, I haven't heard the CD through - rather smatterings from it, so I won't make any comments on the overall quality. But - one thing I can say is that Danny Thompsons' drumming skill is much better than when he was involved with the Hawks. IMHO his drumming at that time was crap. If I'm not mistaken, though, he only plays on one track of the Bedoiun CD, though... - Max Wilcox From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Fri Jul 24 11:28:04 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 11:28:04 -0400 Subject: HW:Bedoiun Message-ID: the statement below is true. rj Max Wilcox wrote: > But - one thing I can say is that Danny Thompsons' drumming skill is much > better than when he was involved with the Hawks. IMHO his drumming at that > time was crap. If I'm not mistaken, though, he only plays on one track of > the Bedoiun CD, though... > > - Max Wilcox From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Fri Jul 24 11:29:40 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 11:29:40 -0400 Subject: HW:Bedoiun Message-ID: Scott Heller wrote: > > Seems there has been a lot of talk about Bedoiun. These gusy have really > been getting better. I just saw them in Hamburg in June and they were > incredible live. I thought the CD was pretty good, but they really smoke > live! The guitar player has really come into his own and plays some killer > stuff and Alan is a MONSTER live... They are all really nice guys as well. the guitarist has always been pretty damned good. just don't expect brock. rj From sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM Fri Jul 24 11:34:38 1998 From: sprawl at BLACKBOARD.COM (sprawl) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 11:34:38 -0400 Subject: OFF: more Monster Magnet Message-ID: Since HW is the reason MM exists, it would be fairly callous of them not to recommend HW. Little story: I was at the coney island high HW gig last year. My friend's somewhat heavy wife passed out from heat and lack of O2. He's a little guy, so i had to carry her out. getting thru the crowd was nearly impossible, as she was very sweaty, and i kept losing my hold, the crowd would not give an inch. I BELLOWED "make an f-ing hole!" and the crowd parted. exposing dave wyndorf. Dave went and got security who helped me get her to the door. 3 seconds in the air and she was fine. =) rj Karen Kusic wrote: > > There's more! > > This Monster Magnet site recommends listening to the first five Hawkwind > albums! > > http://pc93.chm.bris.ac.uk/~andy/MonsterMagnet.html > > > Since starting this page a number of questions have sprung up, here's a sample... > > > > What should I go out and buy while I am waiting for the next album ? > > > > Hawkwind > > The first five albums have recently been re-released on CD with new packaging, extra tracks etc. > > Atomic Bitch Wax > > Ed Mundell's sibeband. > > Captain Copter & the Fabulous Twirlibirds > > Randy California's (ex-Spirit) band. > > Fu Manchu > > Kyuss > > Core > > Acid King > > Sleep From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Jul 24 12:03:08 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:03:08 +0100 Subject: BOC-L TAPE SWAP Message-ID: Another couple of tapes have now passed through and I'm pleased at the qulaity we're getting. Big props to Chris Allen for his schizophrenic offering. Much respect. I'd also suggest people do as he suggests, throw tapes into the loop whenever you feel like it. That way, barring natural disasters, the loop will go on forever. I'm working on Part 2 right now. Brian Halligan - another installment was sent of yesterday, originated by Doug Bates. Zeit ================================================================= ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 =========================================================================== From flossbac at WCIC.CIOE.COM Fri Jul 24 12:05:07 1998 From: flossbac at WCIC.CIOE.COM (John Majka) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 11:05:07 -0500 Subject: Where to buy Bedouin? Message-ID: Hi guys, I have Captured Rotation, but haven't been able to find Bedouin anywhere. Does anyone know of a mail order place that carries it? John Majka flossbac at wcic.cioe.com From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Jul 24 12:22:01 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:22:01 +0100 Subject: OFF: WET WILLIE wasHW: Recommendations for BOC fans Message-ID: Well the big hit was "Keep On Smilin'". But the others include "Shout Bamalama", "Airport", "Leona", "Everything That 'Cha Do..", "Grits AIn't Groceries", "Country Side Of Life", "Red Hot Chicken", "Dixie Rock", "Baby Fat" [one of the most non-PC slices of southern rock ever] and my personal favourite and live show opener "No, No, No". Don't start me on southern rock or you'll never shut me up. I'm off to dig out the first two Stillwater albums now. Zeit BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: > > > >Zeit > >obcd Wet WIllie - Greatest Hits > > Oh man! Now I'm scratching what used to be my hair, trying to remember > that song of theirs I used to froog to back in the day. Come and get > your Love? Nope that was Redbone. Damn help me out here Zeit, it was a > big radio hit. > > Ghost in the Ruins > > "Isn't sanity just a one trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one > trick, rational thinking. But when your good and crazy the sky's the > limit." -The Tick -- ================================================================= ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 =========================================================================== From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Jul 24 12:23:45 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 12:23:45 -0400 Subject: HW:Bedoiun Message-ID: >Max Wilcox wrote: > > But - one thing I can say is that Danny Thompsons' drumming skill is much > better than when he was involved with the Hawks. IMHO his drumming at that > time was crap. If I'm not mistaken, though, he only plays on one track of > the Bedoiun CD, though... Yep, believe so. And I had the same impression about (the) DT's drumming, just from that one track alone. Of course, anybody here who subscribes to 'Aural Innovations' would've already known that from my review of this album. :) And anybody who doesn't yet subscribe to AI should do so immediately (before the price rises again). :) At least you'd have the pleasure witnessing Chr. & Scott goad NikT into slagging Dave over and over... :) Shameless self-promotion mode off... Keith H. (FAA) ObCD: Simon - Writing on the Cosmic Wheel From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Fri Jul 24 12:35:09 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 12:35:09 -0400 Subject: OFF: SKYNYRD CONCERT Message-ID: Nick tells us a tale... >Well, I saw Skynyrd live last night in State College, PA. Here's an >overview: This wasn't in Bryce Jordan, was it??? If so, was it 'fully open' (stage at one end), or half-sized (stage in middle, half closed off)? I couldn't imagine that they'd draw the kind of numbers these days to even warrant them being in such a massive bldg., esp. in such a small market. >In all, a damn good show. Better than I expected. Worth the twenty >bucks or so if they come to your area (although the only reason I >went was because tix were free through my radio station). Please tell me it's not QWK-Rock!! :) Keith H. (FAA, PSU '86) P.S. The only concert at Penn State even worth the effort of attending in my four years there was BOC in 1983 on the TRbN tour (in old Rec Hall, aka Wrecked Hall). Pretty cool...Godzilla behind Rick Downey (sorry I missed you Al), and the freaky mirror-backed guitar light trick they used to do. Fun show and packed house (maybe 6,000). From d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET Fri Jul 24 15:03:51 1998 From: d.greenhalgh at VIRGIN.NET (David G) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 20:03:51 +0100 Subject: Where to buy Bedouin? Message-ID: John Majka wrote: > Hi guys, > I have Captured Rotation, but haven't been able to find Bedouin anywhere. > Does anyone know of a mail order place that carries it? > John Majka > flossbac at wcic.cioe.com CD services in Dundee 40/42 Brantwood avenue Dundee DD3 6EW Scotland or www.imvs.com are both worth a try. CDS will be cheaper, but that depends where you are shipping it to. DaveG From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Jul 24 19:56:46 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 00:56:46 +0100 Subject: HW: Bedoiun In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Was reading the MAN biography by Deke Leonard called Rhino's Winos and > Lunatics and this is an incredible book. One of the best i have read in a > long time. Anyway, there is a section where the band tours with REO > Speedwagon and BOC. It turns out they really hit it off with BOC > and had a > great time for that tour. I can't remember the details but it is quite a > funny page in the book. Are you sure?!? It was more like the tour collapsed from weight of egos all round! GREAT book though! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Jul 25 00:09:39 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 04:09:39 +0000 Subject: HW: Bedoiun Message-ID: On l?r 25 jul 1998 00.56 +0100 "Andy Gilham" wrote: > [Scott wrote:] >> It turns out they really hit it off with BOC >> and had a >> great time for that tour. I can't remember the details but it is quite a >> funny page in the book. > > Are you sure?!? It was more like the tour collapsed from weight of egos all > round! > GREAT book though! Truth! My perception was that the usual thing happened: the two "underbands" (whoever they happened to be at the time, but always including Man ;) teamed up against the headline act on the tour (either BOC or REO Speedwagon, depending!). So, basically, Man and BOC got along _great_ as long as BOC weren't headlining :) That's the way it goes at these rock'n'roll shows ;) Cheers, Carl ObTroll: we await, in hope, some enlightening comment from Al ;) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From StevenTice at AOL.COM Fri Jul 24 23:39:44 1998 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:39:44 EDT Subject: BJC/BOC/PSU Message-ID: In a message dated 98-07-24 12:35:47 EDT, you write: << >Well, I saw Skynyrd live last night in State College, PA. Here's an >overview: Wow, somebody else from BOC-L was in MY neck of the woods! And I had no idea...ah well...:-) >>This wasn't in Bryce Jordan, was it??? If so, was it 'fully open' (stage at one end), or half-sized (stage in middle, half closed off)? I couldn't imagine that they'd draw the kind of numbers these days to even warrant them being in such a massive bldg., esp. in such a small market. Yes, it was the Bryce Jordan center. I keep wondering when they'll book BOC...:-) >>Keith H. (FAA, PSU '86) Hey, I'm PSU '87... >>P.S. The only concert at Penn State even worth the effort of attending in my four years there was BOC in 1983 on the TRbN tour (in old Rec Hall, aka Wrecked Hall). Pretty cool...Godzilla behind Rick Downey (sorry I missed you Al), and the freaky mirror-backed guitar light trick they used to do. Fun show and packed house (maybe 6,000). >> Yes! That was the first rock concert I ever attended...it was a lot of fun, despite the fact that the band played virtually NONE of my favorite songs...and they DID play the ONLY BOC song that I hated, at the time: I Love the Night. The only songs they did from the first three albums were Cities on Flame, Hot Rails, and Red & the Black...that was IT...nothing else from the first two albums, and no songs from Secret Treaties (my favorite BOC album). Nor did they play any of the Moorcock songs. At least they played Golden Age of Leather... They did three cover tunes, Roadhouse Blues, I Ain't Got You, and Born to be Wild, as well as another rarely heard song, Fallen Angel (and Joe also played a wild bass solo), plus Born to Rock from the Buck Dharma solo album. Other than that it was the standards... I did, however, have a TERRIFIC time anyway! :-) I'll never forget the giant Godzilla, Bloom riding onstage on his enormous motorcycle, being blinded by the guitar mirrors, the wild special effects during Joan Crawford...ah, the good old days...:-) Steven Tice Calliope Comics Bellefonte, PA From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jul 24 09:26:51 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:26:51 +0100 Subject: HW: Interesting Challenge In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In article , Paul Mather writes >On Thu, 23 Jul 1998, David G wrote: > >> no-one has come up with Calvert Era albums yet (except quark), I wonder if i >> am the only person in the list who rates "Astounding"!! > >Nah. "Pops" Shipley and I are probably the resident list champions and >defenders of that much-maligned album... :-) ??? It's a fine album! It only has one bad track, Kerb Crawler, which was (probably) OK at the time, it's just not aged well. The rest of the albums great. -- Jon From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Sat Jul 25 06:56:25 1998 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 12:56:25 +0200 Subject: HW: MP3s of _Kings of Speed, Lords of Light_ bootleg CD Message-ID: Pospiech, Bernhard schrieb: > Hello > >>Does anyone know for sure where this gig is from? The back of the CD >>says Detroit, USA, but I dimly recall someone on here saying it's from >>Bochum, Germany. Can anyone supply the date and venue? > > This gig was for sure recorded in Bochum, Germany. The hall is called > "Zeche". The date is: 08.Oct.1991 > The tape was recorded by a friend of mine (hi Andreas!). I was also there. > You can hear me whisteling loud at the end of the gig. > > I do not know who made this boot, but I suppose it was a guy from the > southern part of Germany > > > Bernhard The gig was recorded by me and Rainer Wangler. We taped a lot of gigs then and swapped the tapes afterwards to see which recording was better. But the CD contains exactly the version I have on tape, though the CD version must have been polished up a bit soundwise because there is less tape hissing on it. Brian Tawn thinks that this CD was released by the band themselves like they did with the vinyl version of Undisclosed files, which was done because they can get more money from a bootleg release than to put it out officially. Anyway, I paid 40 Deutschmarks for a CD that I recorded ! Andreas From Chuckrecs at AOL.COM Sat Jul 25 11:20:05 1998 From: Chuckrecs at AOL.COM (Chuck Rosenberg) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 11:20:05 EDT Subject: BOC-L TAPE SWAP Message-ID: In a message dated 98-07-24 12:02:24 EDT, you write: << Another couple of tapes have now passed through and I'm pleased at the qulaity we're getting. Big props to Chris Allen for his schizophrenic offering. Much respect. I'd also suggest people do as he suggests, throw tapes into the loop whenever you feel like it. That way, barring natural disasters, the loop will go on forever. I'm working on Part 2 right now. Brian Halligan - another installment was sent of yesterday, originated by Doug Bates. Zeit >> Well, I don't know what happened to my first tape, I never heard back from the person to whom I sent it, but I have a second one ready, which I'm really anxious to send to someone, so if anyone cares, give me your addy, and I'll pass it along. Maybe I should just send it to the person who sent me his own tape? That would be Duane--would you like it Duane? Considering your diverse tastes, you might quite like some of it. Chuck From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sat Jul 25 14:40:37 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 19:40:37 +0100 Subject: BOC-L TAPE SWAP Message-ID: > Well for those of you who are paying attention, my tape and those of the Gumby > Man and Doug Bates are listed at : > > http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/boc-l.html Next weeks exciting installment features Chris Allen. Zeit -- ================================================================= ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 =========================================================================== From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Sat Jul 25 15:01:26 1998 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 20:01:26 +0100 Subject: BOC-L TAPE SWAP Message-ID: Subject: BOC-L TAPE SWAP > I'd also suggest people do as he suggests, throw tapes into the loop whenever >you > feel like it. That way, barring natural disasters, the loop will go on >forever. > I'm working on Part 2 right now. I`m still waiting for my second tape in the original loop. Hey Doug Pearson! Where`s my tape ;) Just kidding. Si ----- "I`ve got 'some' answers to 'most' of your questions!" The Alice Cooper Trivia File - http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/intro.html My Tubes Page - http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/7998/ From des at SUPERLINK.NET Sun Jul 26 01:10:44 1998 From: des at SUPERLINK.NET (E F) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 01:10:44 -0400 Subject: BOC - Man With The Xray Eyes Message-ID: Just turned on the TV to find 'X' aka 'The Man With The X-Ray Eyes' is on American Movie Classics. Don't know when they are going to repeat it. It's a pretty cheesey ROger Corman film, delightfully over acted by Ray Miland. I'm not sure why this would be considered an 'American Movie Classic', could it be that Bob Dorian is a BOC fan and has the new album?? --EF -- Words to live by from my cat: -If I had two dead mice, I'd give you one. From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Sun Jul 26 04:12:22 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 09:12:22 +0100 Subject: BOC - Man With The Xray Eyes In-Reply-To: <35BABA54.2AA3@superlink.net> Message-ID: > Just turned on the TV to find 'X' aka 'The Man With The X-Ray Eyes' is > on American Movie Classics. Don't know when they are going to repeat > it. > It's a pretty cheesey ROger Corman film, delightfully over acted by Ray > Miland. > > I'm not sure why this would be considered an 'American Movie Classic', > could it be that Bob Dorian is a BOC fan and has the new album?? > > --EF > Well, it's definitely an American movie... and I guess it's what you'd call a "cult classic" :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Jul 26 04:49:31 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 09:49:31 +0100 Subject: OFF: DEEP PURPLE US TOUR Message-ID: For anyone going to see Purple on the US tour, this may interest. "Deep Purple start their US tour in New Jersey on August 6. Special guests for all north American dates are Emerson, Lake & Palmer and Dream Theater. If you missed the tourdates have a look at: http://www.deep-purple.com/cgi-bin/dptour/tdlist On the page above you can sign up for what concerts you are going to see. This is not going to land you a place on the guestlist as someone thought but is only a way for the fans to get in touch with each other for pre-show activities and meetings. " Zeit -- ================================================================= ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 =========================================================================== From hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET Sun Jul 26 05:11:23 1998 From: hawkwind1 at EARTHLINK.NET (Dan Witt) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 04:11:23 -0500 Subject: HW: Kings of speed Message-ID: > The gig was recorded by me and Rainer Wangler. We taped a lot of gigs then and > swapped the tapes afterwards to see which recording was better. But the CD > contains exactly the version I have on tape, though the CD version must have been > polished up a bit soundwise because there is less tape hissing on it. > Brian Tawn thinks that this CD was released by the band themselves like they did > with the vinyl version of Undisclosed files, which was done because they can get > more money from a bootleg release than to put it out officially. > Anyway, I paid 40 Deutschmarks for a CD that I recorded ! > Wouldn't the band just use a soundboard recording? Since they have access to the board it would seem a lot easier, and sound better. From shll at HAGEDORN.DK Sun Jul 26 08:46:21 1998 From: shll at HAGEDORN.DK (Scott Heller) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 14:46:21 +0200 Subject: OFF: Not fair Message-ID: Directed towards Keith: Ummm...is there someplace on the net where I can read the Nik Turner interview discussed below? ><'Aural Innovations' would've already known that from my review of this >Keith H. (FAA) > >I had to respond to this.... Keith's reviews in AI were excellent and spot >on! Everyone must have everyone one of the lps he reviewed! but....... it >is not fair to interpret the interview the way you did that Christan and I >did with Nik. We did not try to get him to say anything nasty about dave. >We just asked about Strange Daze and Nik went off the deep end. There was >no goading going on. After Christan and Nik smoked that joint Nik was >difficult to get to be quiet. His answers were very long. I think that >Christian did a great job in translating the interview to paper. Perhaps we >should have edited it a bit more but...... that is life. >R. Scott Heller PhD John Majka flossbac at wcic.cioe.com From capcloud at PALMNET.NET Sun Jul 26 12:14:49 1998 From: capcloud at PALMNET.NET (Captain Cloud) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 12:14:49 -0400 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet tour dates Message-ID: The A&M Records site has an extensive Monster Magnet tour dates schedule, which apparently began a few days ago. Anyway, check it out at http://www.amrecords.com/artists/monstermagnet/ I'll be at the Orlando show a week from Friday (8/7/98). Also, the first week that Powertrip was out, I found two copies that also came with some kind of bonus promo CD called 'Fuel from Powertrip'. It contains the following: - "This is the Sound of Monster Magnet" advertising collage (:49) - "Space Lord (LP vers)" (5:55) - "Freedom of Choice" Wyndorf doing a radio promo about NOT listening to music/watching TV that offends you... (:39) - "A Taste of Powertrip" with snippets from 8 songs (5:02) - "Kick Out the Jams (Clean vers)" with bad words mixed out (3:22) An interesting tidbit that was a free bonus...maybe you'll get lucky and find more copies still out there. Obtape: Tribe of Cro - 'Tribal Jam' -- Captain Cloud capcloud at palmnet.net http://www5.palmnet.net/~capcloud/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Jul 26 16:24:51 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 20:24:51 +0000 Subject: OFF: Not fair Message-ID: >At least you'd have the >pleasure witnessing Chr. & Scott goad NikT into slagging Dave over and >over... :) I have no doubt that Nik is perfectly capable of slagging off Brock over and over without any instigation whatsoever! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Sun Jul 26 15:35:59 1998 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 12:35:59 PDT Subject: BOC: MST3K reference Message-ID: Hey Kids! I don't know if this is worthy of slapping in the BOC-FAQ or not, but in yesterday's episode of Mystery Science Theater 3000 (show #910 - "The Final Sacrifice") there was a Blue Oyster Cult reference, possibly the first one for the show. As the lumpy faced actor in the movie said "It's a Cult", Mike Nelson replies "They worship Blue Oysters". Also, there was a Hawkwind reference, which they throw in quite often. The dopey kid in the movie is looking at a map with cow skulls and mountains on it and one of the 'bots says "I'll just look at my Hawkwind album cover for awhile". Thought you guys might sleep better knowing this. Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** Torgo at norwich.net DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos *********************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Sun Jul 26 20:53:38 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 17:53:38 -0700 Subject: OFF: Not fair Message-ID: On Sun, 26 Jul 1998 20:24:51 +0000, Carl Edlund Anderson observed, in response to Scott Heller's plea of innocence: >>At least you'd have the >>pleasure witnessing Chr. & Scott goad NikT into slagging Dave over and >>over... :) > >I have no doubt that Nik is perfectly capable of slagging >off Brock over and over without any instigation whatsoever! I also have no doubts in that area, but I'd be pretty surprised if Christian could make it through doing an interview without goading his subject into ... something?! ;^) -Doug ceres at sirius.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Sun Jul 26 20:49:10 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 17:49:10 -0700 Subject: HW: Interesting Challenge Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:26:51 +0100, it was Jon Browne who made the assertion: >In article , >Paul Mather writes >>On Thu, 23 Jul 1998, David G wrote: >> >>> no-one has come up with Calvert Era albums yet (except quark), I wonder if i >>> am the only person in the list who rates "Astounding"!! >> >>Nah. "Pops" Shipley and I are probably the resident list champions and >>defenders of that much-maligned album... :-) > >??? It's a fine album! It only has one bad track, Kerb Crawler, which >was (probably) OK at the time, it's just not aged well. >The rest of the albums great. Oh yeah, 'Astounding Sounds' is a fave of mine ... "Reefer Madness", "Steppenwolf", "Kadu Flyer" - all classics! I think it only suffers from the misfortune of falling between two of Hawkwind's most-classic-ever albums (Warrior and Quark). I guess you're right about "Kerb Crawler", though - but you can't complain that much about yet another "Silver Machine"-rewrite being released as a single! It's great to hear live versions of those songs on the 'Atomhenge 76' CD-R ... only no "Kadu Flyer", though :^( -Doug ceres at sirius.com ObCD: 'Kraut! Demons! Jraut!' collection (West Germany 1968-1974) ObFavorite-newly-discovered-Hawkwind-lyric "Joules of sound are bad for your hearing And pleasure's something that doesn't last I took a substance for disappearing And I faded in the mirror so fast I counted to ten - I was invisible then It was hours before I came back complete Then I was back on the street again" P.S. Hey, Si - your next tape goes out on monday ... hopefully I'll get the next one that's due me, soon! From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Jul 27 00:30:20 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 04:30:20 +0000 Subject: OFF: SKYNYRD CONCERT Message-ID: > Please tell me it's not QWK-Rock!! :) > > Keith H. (FAA, PSU '86) No way....hate those boys...at least the ones I know personally. I work at The Buzz, which, if you've been out of this area since '86, you've never heard of. It's in Philipsburg and we just started it less than 2 years ago. We don't even have a strong signal in SC...better in Clearfield County...but that's all gonna change soon enough. If ya ever get the notion, check us out on the net...www.buzzfm.com. We're in RealAudio. I'm on mornings, 6 to 10 a.m. Eastern. From rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM Mon Jul 27 05:20:38 1998 From: rich-l at GEOCITIES.COM (Rich Lockwood) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:20:38 +0100 Subject: BOC-L TAPE SWAP Message-ID: Stuart A Hamilton wrote: > > Well for those of you who are paying attention, my tape and those of the Gumby > > Man and Doug Bates are listed at : > > > > http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/boc-l.html > > Next weeks exciting installment features Chris Allen. > > Zeit > Hmm. Johnny Cash's "Thirteen" seems remarkably popular. BTW, Christian M. - could you email me your address again please? I lost a shed load of emails recently, and I've got Andy G's tape ready to forward on to you. Cheers, Rich. ** "I can't quite reveal that right now man, but the third word is probably 'oranges'." ** From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Mon Jul 27 06:41:11 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 10:41:11 +0000 Subject: HW: Kings of speed In-Reply-To: <35BAF2BB.43F23839@earthlink.net> Message-ID: >> The gig was recorded by me and Rainer Wangler. We taped a lot of gigs then >> and swapped the tapes afterwards to see which recording was better. But the >> CD contains exactly the version I have on tape, though the CD version must >> have been polished up a bit soundwise because there is less tape hissing on >> it. Brian Tawn thinks that this CD was released by the band themselves like >> they did with the vinyl version of Undisclosed files, which was done because >> they can get more money from a bootleg release than to put it out officially > Anyway, I paid 40 Deutschmarks for a CD that I recorded ! > >Wouldn't the band just use a soundboard recording? Since they have >access to the board it would seem a lot easier, and sound better. I personally find, that you have to be very lucky to get a mix from the mixing desk, that works well, when played back on tape. More often than not, a good quality "Audience Tape" may have more feeling to it than a "Mixing-desk" tape, which can sound rather "sterile". Usually, the mixing desk compensates for any peculiarities to the overall sound of the venue, and of course, the mix tends to be very low on "audience input" and (in most cases) high on vocals and drums! There's a few mixing-desk HW tapes doing the rounds, and the Reading 1992 Teepee tour tape is typical. Having said that, the Chippenham Goldiggers tape from 1982 is as good as, maybe even better, than any of the official live material availlable from that era - and its a complete 125 minutes! - Now that would make a superb CD! Guy Thomas From christmu at EUNET.NO Mon Jul 27 06:10:55 1998 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu at EUNET.NO) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:10:55 +0200 Subject: OFF: Not fair In-Reply-To: <199807270918.LAA11849@login-2.eunet.no> Message-ID: Instant howls from the crypt!!! RIGHT! I realize people on this list of twisted individuals have been doing their damndest to extract my sorry ass out of digest lurking mode of recent, to goad me into goading people into go(a)d knows what. Well! *CRACK* time to pound that keyboard silly! Scott writes: >Directed towards Keith: > ><'Aural Innovations' would've already known that from my review of this >I had to respond to this.... Keith's reviews in AI were excellent and spot >on! Everyone must have everyone one of the lps he reviewed! I agree 100%, *though* I'm a purist and would exclude a few of the krauts who I'd argue are not really a psychedelic extension of blues/jazz but more of art school anti-rock experimentators. Anyway :) >but....... it >is not fair to interpret the interview the way you did that Christan and I >did with Nik. We did not try to get him to say anything nasty about dave. >We just asked about Strange Daze and Nik went off the deep end. I for one, was not sure how to ask him, so I thought 'damn the torpedoes!' and tossed in the word 'tension'. I think that was goading....?? >There was >no goading going on. After Christan and Nik smoked that joint Nik was >difficult to get to be quiet. His answers were very long. Though he was like that from the get go :^) >I think that >Christian did a great job in translating the interview to paper. Perhaps we >should have edited it a bit more but...... that is life. thanks. It was sheer hell over that fuzzy Gregg Alexander tape of yours, its murder. I wanted to portray it unedited because I like how personalities shine through better in raw transcriptions, and I think its just more lively and fun to read that way... John Majka sez: >Ummm...is there someplace on the net where I can read the Nik Turner Go unto here: http://www.infinet.com/~jkranitz/space/space.html New issue just came out, the best one so far with a long article on Terrastock 2, some great writings on Miles Davis from Doug Walker of Alien Planetscapes, the Nik interview (plug), Keith's spacerock article, loads of reviews and other interviews etc. etc. 28 pages.. Doug Pearson insinuates: >I also have no doubts in that area, but I'd be pretty surprised if >Christian could make it through doing an interview without goading his >subject into ... something?! ;^) > > -Doug May I goad you into explaining *excactly* what you mean? I don't think I've interviewed anyone before, so your assumptions are based some pretty thin evidence, pal!! ;^) Chrimble Chrumble ObCD: Suicide ltd. 2CD remaster! From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Mon Jul 27 06:55:55 1998 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:55:55 +0200 Subject: HW: Mixing desk tapes Message-ID: Hello >>Guy Thomas wrote: >There's a few mixing-desk HW >tapes doing the rounds, and the Reading 1992 Teepee tour tape is typical. >Having said that, the Chippenham Goldiggers tape from 1982 is as good as, >maybe even better, than any of the official live material availlable from that >era - and its a complete 125 minutes! - Now that would make a superb CD! Yes indeed. The Chippenham has a superb quality but there are some mixing-desk tapes which are IMHO better. They are: - Glastonbury 1981 (70 min) - Glasgow 1982 (90 min) - Oxford 1982 (120 min) - New York 1989 (115 min) - Minneapolis 1989 (90 min) - San Francisco 1989 (90 min) - Reading 1992 (100 min) Bernhard From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Mon Jul 27 09:57:52 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 13:57:52 +0000 Subject: HW: Mixing desk tapes In-Reply-To: <6496936D88FFD011B1D800A024CB5C5F1ED91C@VEG12_EXCH> Message-ID: Hello Bernhard writes: >>>Guy Thomas wrote: >>There's a few mixing-desk HW >>tapes doing the rounds, and the Reading 1992 Teepee tour tape is typical. >>Having said that, the Chippenham Goldiggers tape from 1982 is as good as, >>maybe even better, than any of the official live material availlable from >that >>era - and its a complete 125 minutes! - Now that would make a superb CD! > >Yes indeed. The Chippenham has a superb quality but there are some >mixing-desk tapes >which are IMHO better. They are: > >- Glastonbury 1981 (70 min) >- Glasgow 1982 (90 min) >- Oxford 1982 (120 min) >- New York 1989 (115 min) >- Minneapolis 1989 (90 min) >- San Francisco 1989 (90 min) >- Reading 1992 (100 min) > > >Bernhard You've picked quite a superb list of tapes there Bernhard, but it depends on the quality (number of generations?) of the tapes concerned! I agree though, the New York 1989 is quite excellent - I wonder why a winter tour 1989 UK mixer (with Simon House) hasn't emerged over the years! (IMVHO - one of the best HW tours ever!) Guy From mpower at FCMC.COM Mon Jul 27 09:15:17 1998 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 09:15:17 -0400 Subject: OFF: BRAIN SURGEONS Article NYPRESS July 22-28 Message-ID: Anyone else seen this? its got a great cartoon of Albert and Deb dissecting a brain, its by Jim Knipfel and the title is: I DREAMED I WAS E. BLOOM (BUT I WOKE UP ALBERT BOUCHARD) does anyone have the time to key this in? I can fax it. In Space we Trust! Marc. -- SpaceRock Central - Strange Daze 98 SpaceRock Festival - "SpaceRock is music, which, by design, expands AWARENESS, thru SPACE, MIND and TIME" Axiom I, the SpaceRock Manifesto From Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM Mon Jul 27 09:43:05 1998 From: Bernhard.Pospiech at DSM-GROUP.COM (Pospiech, Bernhard) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:43:05 +0200 Subject: HW: Mixing-desk tapes Message-ID: Hello Guy!! >>Guy Thomas wrote: >I agree though, the New York 1989 is quite excellent - I wonder why a winter >tour 1989 UK mixer (with Simon House) hasn't emerged over the years! (IMVHO - >one of the best HW tours ever!) The winter 1989 UK-tour was without doubt the best HAWKWIND tour!! Unfortunately only mint quality tapes have survived from this excellent tour :-(( Except one tape......Have you ever had the chance to listen to the Norwich, University tape from 01.December 1989 ?? Not a mixing desk tape but a great quality audio-recording tape. The band played an excellent gig at the beginning of the tour. This gig should make it on CD sometime.... Bernhard From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Mon Jul 27 09:53:49 1998 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 08:53:49 -0500 Subject: OFF: Not fair Message-ID: > >but....... it > >is not fair to interpret the interview the way you did that Christan > and I > >did with Nik. We did not try to get him to say anything nasty about > dave. > >We just asked about Strange Daze and Nik went off the deep end. > Could someone PLEASE recap what Nik said about SD !!! The web page just lists the table of contents without the article referred to above. I don't care about what Nik said about Dave. Its sad Nik will not be at SD this year. Anyone going anyway? From micci at SCI.FI Mon Jul 27 10:07:51 1998 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:07:51 +0300 Subject: off:spacerock festival, Jönköping Message-ID: Hi! I just want to tell that it?s confirmed that Dark Sun will be there too. So now there wiil be greatest psych/space bands from scandinavia. Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From micci at SCI.FI Mon Jul 27 10:07:54 1998 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:07:54 +0300 Subject: HW:Bedoiun Message-ID: >Alan is a MONSTER live... or The Elf ;-) Obcd:Kingston Wall- Tri-Logy Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Jul 27 10:14:34 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 07:14:34 -0700 Subject: OFF: Lemmy Help... Message-ID: Space Lords: I have a comp of Motorhead called Welcome to the Bear Trap. This is the only Lemmy I own except for the Hellraiser III soundtrack. This thing was put out by Castle Communications. I like it, I like it a lot. Problem, while they credit the songwriters I have no idea of the origin of these songs. Can anybody help? Hoping to scarf some Lemmy but I'd like to get something that has as many of these tracks as possible. Some are live: Side 1 Motorhead (Live) Overkill Talking Head Rock It Iron Fist I Got Mine Steal Your Face (We Are) The Road Crew Snaggletooth Stay Clean Side 2 Iron Horse (Live) One Track Mind Speedfreak Loser (Don't Need) Religion Stone Dead Forever Sweet Revenge Capricorn Love Me Like a Reptile Ace of Spades Thanks in advance Ghost in the Ruins > From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Jul 27 10:20:52 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 09:20:52 -0500 Subject: OFF :Thanks ZEIT Message-ID: >Well the big hit was "Keep On Smilin'". Thanks one. >Don't start me on southern rock or you'll never shut me up. Don't let m stop you. You like the Outlaws? Always partial to this group, gave a hell of a live show. >"Deep Purple start their US tour in New Jersey on August 6. Special guests for all north American dates are Emerson, Lake & Palmer and Dream Theater. If you missed the tourdates have a look at: Thanks two! This sounds like a promising tour. Not quite as good as King's X, Galactic Cowboys and Fates Warning but almost... Ghost in the Ruins From fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK Mon Jul 27 10:31:22 1998 From: fofp at HOLYROOD.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:31:22 +0100 Subject: HW: Mixing desk tapes In-Reply-To: LN1GJT's message of Mon, 27 Jul 1998 13:57:52 +0000 Message-ID: > >Yes indeed. The Chippenham has a superb quality but there are some > >mixing-desk tapes > >which are IMHO better. They are: > > > >- Glastonbury 1981 (70 min) > >- Glasgow 1982 (90 min) > >- Oxford 1982 (120 min) > >- New York 1989 (115 min) > >- Minneapolis 1989 (90 min) > >- San Francisco 1989 (90 min) > >- Reading 1992 (100 min) > > > > > >Bernhard I have the Glasgow gig rated as a "9" rather than a "10". Does this mean I have a poor copy? FoFP From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jul 27 11:36:12 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 11:36:12 -0400 Subject: OFF: BRAIN SURGEONS Article NYPRESS July 22-28 Message-ID: >Anyone else seen this? its got a great cartoon of Albert and Deb dissecting a Cool! I'd love to get a copy of this - anyone got a copy or scan of it? John From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Mon Jul 27 10:54:32 1998 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 16:54:32 +0200 Subject: HW: Mixing desk tapes In-Reply-To: <199807271431.PAA14988@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: At 15:31 27.07.98 +0100, you wrote: >I have the Glasgow gig rated as a "9" rather than a "10". Does this mean I have a poor copy? Difficult to say. I had a 45 minutes long tape one year ago rated 8-9. Then I received a 90 minutes tape with a much better quality (mixing desk) Bernhard From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Mon Jul 27 08:11:40 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:11:40 +0000 Subject: OFF: Lemmy Help... Message-ID: > Space Lords: > > I have a comp of Motorhead called Welcome to the Bear Trap. This is the > only Lemmy I own except for the Hellraiser III soundtrack. This thing > was put out by Castle Communications. I like it, I like it a lot. > Problem, while they credit the songwriters I have no idea of the origin > of these songs. Can anybody help? Hoping to scarf some Lemmy but I'd > like to get something that has as many of these tracks as possible. > Some are live: > > Side 1 > Motorhead (Live) > Overkill > Talking Head > Rock It > Iron Fist > I Got Mine > Steal Your Face > (We Are) The Road Crew > Snaggletooth > Stay Clean > > Side 2 > > Iron Horse (Live) > One Track Mind > Speedfreak > Loser > (Don't Need) Religion > Stone Dead Forever > Sweet Revenge > Capricorn > Love Me Like a Reptile > Ace of Spades > > Thanks in advance > > Ghost in the Ruins Gosh, that's a pretty scattered bunch of tunes, but nothing AFTER 1984's double compilation "No Remorse" -- therefore, I think that one would be your best bet. A ton of those tracks are on it...(depending on what printing of NR you get, it'll have anywhere from 22 to 26 tracks, from different versions I've seen). The studio albums you'll find this stuff on are: Motorhead Overkill Ace of Spades Bomber No Sleep 'til Hammersmith (Live album) Iron Fist Another Perfect Day No Remorse (Steal Your Face and Snaggletooth were brand newbies recorded specifically for the comp. -- Nick From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Mon Jul 27 14:40:39 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 14:40:39 -0400 Subject: BOC-L TAPE SWAP Message-ID: >Brian Halligan - another installment was sent of yesterday, originated by Doug >Bates. Woo-hoo! Brian obBOC-L Tape Swap Song> "Highway Blues" Roy Harper ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html "We are drawing a moustache on the wanted poster of the face of music." -Fierce Wicker ---------- >Zeit >================================================================= >ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com > >Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK > >Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 > >======================================================================= ===== From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Jul 27 14:45:24 1998 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:45:24 +0100 Subject: OFF: Lemmy Help... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Using the following acronyms for those tracks I can identify: O: Overkill B: Bomber AOS: Ace Of Spades NSTH: No Sleep Till Hammersmith IF: Iron Fist APD: Another Perfect Day ORG: Orgasmatron - not sure on this one as I sold my LP. Motorhead (Live) NSTH Overkill O Talking Head B Rock It APD Iron Fist IF I Got Mine APD Steal Your Face ORG? (We Are) The Road Crew AOS Snaggletooth ORG? Stay Clean O Iron Horse (Live) NSTH One Track Mind IF Speedfreak ORG? Loser IF (Don't Need) Religion IF Stone Dead Forever B Sweet Revenge B Capricorn O Love Me Like a Reptile AOS Ace of Spades Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra Plays Motorhead In article , BREVARD, Adrian R. writes >Space Lords: > >I have a comp of Motorhead called Welcome to the Bear Trap. This is the >only Lemmy I own except for the Hellraiser III soundtrack. This thing >was put out by Castle Communications. I like it, I like it a lot. >Problem, while they credit the songwriters I have no idea of the origin >of these songs. Can anybody help? Hoping to scarf some Lemmy but I'd >like to get something that has as many of these tracks as possible. >Some are live: > >Side 1 >Motorhead (Live) >Overkill >Talking Head >Rock It >Iron Fist >I Got Mine >Steal Your Face >(We Are) The Road Crew >Snaggletooth >Stay Clean > >Side 2 > >Iron Horse (Live) >One Track Mind >Speedfreak >Loser >(Don't Need) Religion >Stone Dead Forever >Sweet Revenge >Capricorn >Love Me Like a Reptile >Ace of Spades > >Thanks in advance > >Ghost in the Ruins > >> -- Mark Edmonds From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Jul 27 15:01:00 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 20:01:00 +0100 Subject: OFF: Lemmy Help... Message-ID: I'm sure someone will fill in the blanks, but off the top of my head, 300 miles away from my MH collection I would say; BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: > Side 1 > Motorhead (Live) - No Sleep Till Hammersmith & single > Overkill - Overkill > Talking Head - can't remember > Rock It - can't remember > Iron Fist - Iron Fist & single > I Got Mine - Another Perfect Day & single > Steal Your Face - No Remorse > (We Are) The Road Crew - Ace Of Spades > Snaggletooth - No Remorse > Stay Clean - Overkill > > Side 2 > > Iron Horse (Live) - No Sleep Till Hammersmith > One Track Mind - Another Perfect Day > Speedfreak - Iron Fist > Loser - Iron Fist > (Don't Need) Religion - Iron Fist > Stone Dead Forever - Bomber / Golden Years EP > Sweet Revenge - Bomber > Capricorn - Bomber > Love Me Like a Reptile - Ace Of Spades > Ace of Spades - Ace Of Spades > > Ace Of Spades is the usual choice for starters, although I prefer Overkill > and if you prefer Brian Robertson playing guitar - Another Perfect Day. > No Remorse is the best compilation and to harp on about Robbo, if you ever > see a live album called Live 1983 buy it. Zeit -- ================================================================= ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 =========================================================================== From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Jul 27 15:03:23 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 20:03:23 +0100 Subject: OFF :SOUTHERN ROCK Message-ID: I warned you! The first Outlaws album is rarely too far from the turntable and it was a pleasure to see Hughie Thomasson playing with Skynyrd a few years back. But my personal fave Outlaws album is Ghost Riders. Superb stuff. Zeit BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: > >Well the big hit was "Keep On Smilin'". > > Thanks one. > > >Don't start me on southern rock or you'll never shut me up. > > Don't let m stop you. You like the Outlaws? Always partial to this > group, gave a hell of a live show. > > >"Deep Purple start their US tour in New Jersey on August 6. > Special guests for all north American dates are Emerson, Lake & Palmer > and Dream Theater. > If you missed the tourdates have a look at: > > Thanks two! This sounds like a promising tour. Not quite as good as > King's X, Galactic Cowboys and Fates Warning but almost... > > Ghost in the Ruins -- ================================================================= ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 =========================================================================== From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Mon Jul 27 15:07:00 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 20:07:00 +0100 Subject: BOC-L TAPE SWAP Message-ID: Roy gets everyone in the end! Zeit obCD - Roy Harper - Flashes From The Archives Of Oblivion and 15 other Roy albums! brian halligan wrote: > Brian > obBOC-L Tape Swap Song> "Highway Blues" Roy Harper > > ---------- > Brian Halligan > mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com > http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html > > "We are drawing a moustache on the wanted poster of the face of music." > -Fierce Wicker > ---------- > > >Zeit > >================================================================= > >ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com > > > >Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK > > > >Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 > > > >======================================================================= > ===== -- ================================================================= ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 =========================================================================== From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Jul 27 16:13:59 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 16:13:59 -0400 Subject: BOC: Chat with Buck Dharma Message-ID: This is to notify you that Buck Dharma will be in RockVillage's chat room at 6 p.m. PDT on August 4, Tuesday. The URl is www.rockvillage.com Someone sent me the above info - thought I'd pass it on... John From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Jul 27 17:50:42 1998 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:50:42 -0400 Subject: OFF: BRAIN SURGEONS Article NYPRESS July 22-28 Message-ID: >>Anyone else seen this? its got a great cartoon of Albert and Deb dissecting a > >Cool! I'd love to get a copy of this - anyone got a copy or scan of it? I have a copy I could send you. From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Mon Jul 27 18:56:32 1998 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 22:56:32 +0000 Subject: HW: Mixing desk tapes In-Reply-To: <8452571327071998/A05687/LNMV02/11C7DB793400*@MHS> Message-ID: On 27 Jul 98 at 13:57, LN1GJT wrote: > I agree though, the New York 1989 is quite excellent - I wonder > why a winter tour 1989 UK mixer (with Simon House) hasn't emerged > over the years! (IMVHO - one of the best HW tours ever!) > > Guy > Too right - absolutely the best hw shows i've ever seen. Ah.... yet more strange memories.... Alasdair -- Page me online: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 Send me E-mail Express direct to my screen: 1573250 at pager.mirabilis.com alimac at netcomuk.co.uk (Alasdair Macdonald) From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Mon Jul 27 18:56:31 1998 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 22:56:31 +0000 Subject: HW: Mixing desk tapes In-Reply-To: <6496936D88FFD011B1D800A024CB5C5F1ED91C@VEG12_EXCH> Message-ID: The Chippenham soundboard tape is one i have the master for; quality isn't actually that great i don't think, and performance-wise i know there were many better on that tour. I still remember Steppenwolf from Oxford the night before..... ah memories. I'm one of those who prefers low generation audience tapes if at all possible, but there's always an exception and Brighton 5/12/79 is the exception for me. Alasdair On 27 Jul 98 at 12:55, Pospiech, Bernhard wrote: > Hello > > >>Guy Thomas wrote: > >There's a few mixing-desk HW > >tapes doing the rounds, and the Reading 1992 Teepee tour tape is typical. > >Having said that, the Chippenham Goldiggers tape from 1982 is as good as, > >maybe even better, than any of the official live material availlable from > that > >era - and its a complete 125 minutes! - Now that would make a superb CD! > > Yes indeed. The Chippenham has a superb quality but there are some > mixing-desk tapes which are IMHO better. They are: > > - Glastonbury 1981 (70 min) > - Glasgow 1982 (90 min) > - Oxford 1982 (120 min) > - New York 1989 (115 min) > - Minneapolis 1989 (90 min) > - San Francisco 1989 (90 min) > - Reading 1992 (100 min) > > > Bernhard > -- Page me online: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 Send me E-mail Express direct to my screen: 1573250 at pager.mirabilis.com alimac at netcomuk.co.uk (Alasdair Macdonald) From OE3 at AOL.COM Mon Jul 27 18:32:21 1998 From: OE3 at AOL.COM (Eddie Williamson) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 18:32:21 EDT Subject: OFF: Brain Surgeons make L.A. Commie rag top 10!! Message-ID: yes, the brain surgeons (whom i've never heard, by the way) were listed in the l.a. weekly's top 10 metal releases this year. i don't have the "rag" in front of me but this holier-than-thou critic said it had been several years since he took hard rock/metal seriously on account of its past excesses/retreads/hokeyness. seeing as he hadn't kept tabs on things of rock in quite some time he checked into the scene and came away with a top 10 list of quality ROCK. some albums were atmospheric european tripe with illegible logos, one was vixen's NEW ALBUM, automatically calling into question said crit's wits, and one was the brain surgeons. so, i guess my point is that west coast communist sympathisers with bad taste like the brain surgeons! From cglass at DIGITAL.NET Mon Jul 27 19:53:13 1998 From: cglass at DIGITAL.NET (Chris Glass) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:53:13 -0400 Subject: OFF: BRAIN SURGEONS Article NYPRESS July 22-28 Message-ID: Could whomever gets this _please_ post it somewhere ? Chris Albert T Bouchard wrote: > > >>Anyone else seen this? its got a great cartoon of Albert and Deb dissecting a > > > >Cool! I'd love to get a copy of this - anyone got a copy or scan of it? > > I have a copy I could send you. From drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM Mon Jul 27 20:06:03 1998 From: drtorgo at HOTMAIL.COM (Torgo Sedler) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:06:03 PDT Subject: BOC: Palace Chat Message-ID: Hey kids.... This is directly off the PALACE software users group list, and after you read it you will have just as much information as I do..... --------------------------------------------------- BLUE OYSTER CULT CHATS AT TOWNE SQUARE 2000!! 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Torgo has left the building....... *********************************************** Torgo at norwich.net DrTorgo at hotmail.com http://welcome.to/torgos *********************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Tue Jul 28 11:12:00 1998 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 10:12:00 EST Subject: HW: Mixing desk tapes In-Reply-To: <199807272158.WAA17347@camelot.netcom.net.uk>; from "Alasdair Macdonald" at Jul 27, 98 10:56:31 pm Message-ID: > I'm one of those who prefers low generation audience tapes if at all > possible, but there's always an exception and Brighton 5/12/79 is the > exception for me. > > Alasdair > Alisdair is the Brighton Tape good quality,i've been looking for a decent '79 tour tape especially a good recording of New Jerusalem. re:1989 tour IMHO I think the band played better in their USA tour just before the uk '89 tour,although "Rambo in Space" was played at Hav a sniff,but Simon was always too low in the mix. btw I have just taped a documentary called "Glastonbury" I dont think the Hawks are on it,the verve and spiritulised were mentioned in the article,so are any on the uk listers in this film ? regards Marty(going back in the box) From christmu at EUNET.NO Tue Jul 28 00:17:59 1998 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu at EUNET.NO) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 06:17:59 +0200 Subject: OFF: Smokey The Bear's Seven Steps To Success Message-ID: (: (: (: Smokey The Bear public safety Good Morning message v. 1.0 :) :) :) ***Administered in Seven Steps for Your Complete Daily Nutritional Allowance*** AN ALL-STAR SALARYMAN SUICIDE VICTORY PRODUCTION 1) When invading small countries consisting of stocky non-english speaking peasants, extinguish all smoking materials pre-flight and gently apply napalm only in carefully selected areas. 2) When entering all official institutions, be armed and always shoot first on first sight, and always bring fresh clips for extra safety caution. 3) When signing up to your local secret service constabulary, lay off smoking materials for the morning, or drink plenty of vinegar so to pass the urinalasys. Remember, getting a foot in the door and leaving a good impression is what counts, and with the right badge and plenty of luck, you can even get to raid your very own underground factory! 4) Girls, when playing near nuclear power plants, beware of suspicious looking boys with more than ten fingers. They may seduce you with damn good banjo playing, but keep a safe distance, and extinguish all smoking materials and pocket them safely for later. 5) For better spending of your hard earned USD on eradicating vegetation which pose a direct threat to your President X/Y voting confidence, Smokey now uses biological weapons safely developed by the Third Reich, for your convenience. Smokey instead recommends you self administer Third World caffeine product as an alternative President X/Y voting confidence booster, as always approved by the DEA, and usually the FDA. 6) When engaging in sexual intercourse, make sure that in selected states that: a) your partner is of the opposite sex, b) your keep your upper orifices away from their lower orifices or organs, and finally, c) that you extinguish all smoking materials until later. 7) When driving intoxicated, make sure that: a) you set fire to your automobile when you are pulled over by your local Public Servant and asked "Where's the fire?", b) consider there is a chance you might be listening to Hawkwind without seatbelts, and finally, c) make sure you are not out of fuel or relevant smoking materials. So, play it safe, boys and girls, and you will be on the road to fame and fortune before you know it! -Smokey ---- Chr- From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Jul 28 01:01:58 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 01:01:58 -0400 Subject: HW: Mixing desk tapes In-Reply-To: <6496936D88FFD011B1D800A024CB5C5F1ED91C@VEG12_EXCH> Message-ID: Bernhard writes: > Yes indeed. The Chippenham has a superb quality but there are some > mixing-desk tapes > which are IMHO better. They are: > > - Glastonbury 1981 (70 min) Surely this is just crying out to be committed to a nice, fresh, 74-minute CD-R??? ;-) But, wasn't this a legitimate band release (in support of CND?)?? Btw, I echo the sentiment of whoever supported audience recordings over soundboards. A FOB audience recording with good gear and (most importantly) good mics, will generally always win out over a soundboard recording, since the soundboard is mixed for the venue, but what the listener hears is not filtered through the venue, and so can sound "wrong," whereas the audience recording is, well, what the audience heard. Of course, I have heard some excellent soundboard recordings, too! Naturally, bands that allow taping will have better audience recordings, since this promotes the open use of good equipment (as opposed to stealth recording). All the Govt. Mule live recordings I have make all the Hawkwind ones I have sound shite by comparison. (Even the Hawkwind ones rated 9 and 10 for sound quality.) "Bootlegs" don't have to sound crap, I've learned. They just turn out that way when the band doesn't sanction taping. :-( Cheers, Paul. ob2CD: Warren Haynes, Flood Zone, Richmond, VA, 4/27/93 e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Jul 28 00:19:25 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 04:19:25 +0000 Subject: OFF: Lemmy Help... Message-ID: > > Ace Of Spades is the usual choice for starters, although I prefer Overkill > > and if you prefer Brian Robertson playing guitar - Another Perfect Day. > > No Remorse is the best compilation and to harp on about Robbo, if you ever > > see a live album called Live 1983 buy it. > > Zeit Live 1983? Is that a bootleg, import or what? Never heard of it. From MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jul 28 06:30:39 1998 From: MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark P Lee) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 11:30:39 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 27 Jul 1998 to 28 Jul 1998 In-Reply-To: <199807280900.FAA04987@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Unsnipped this from my last digest... >>Guy Thomas wrote: >There's a few mixing-desk HW >tapes doing the rounds, and the Reading 1992 Teepee tour tape is typical. >Having said that, the Chippenham Goldiggers tape from 1982 is as good as, >maybe even better, than any of the official live material availlable from that >era - and its a complete 125 minutes! - Now that would make a superb CD! Yes indeed. The Chippenham has a superb quality but there are some mixing-desk tapes which are IMHO better. They are: - Glastonbury 1981 (70 min) - Glasgow 1982 (90 min) - Oxford 1982 (120 min) - New York 1989 (115 min) - Minneapolis 1989 (90 min) - San Francisco 1989 (90 min) - Reading 1992 (100 min) The only copy of any of these that I ever got my hands on was Reading '92, OK, so I live in the UK, but I would LOVE to get copies of them ALL, reading got cropped on my copy so I only get 46 minutes of the tape :-((( I have a tape labelled 'Palace Springs', any more info would be nice.... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please reply to mark at esparto.demon.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jul 28 06:33:47 1998 From: MLee at ESPARTO.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark P Lee) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 11:33:47 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 27 Jul 1998 to 28 Jul 1998 In-Reply-To: <199807280900.FAA04987@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Martyn Lawrence wrote this ... > btw I have just taped a documentary called "Glastonbury" I dont think the Hawks > are on it,the verve and spiritulised were mentioned in the article,so are > any on the uk listers in this film ? Spiritualised and The Verve played Glasto this year ??? I doubt you'll find any Hawks on any of the info available for a few years past now.... PS. If the docu that you have mentions rain, it was NOT exagerrated. TTFN ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please reply to mark at esparto.demon.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jul 28 07:23:01 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:23:01 +0100 Subject: OFF: Mick Farren Message-ID: Just got my copy of the newly re-issued Japanese CD of Mick's _Vampires Stole My Lunch Money_ album from 1978... yes of course I always had the vinyl... anyway it's well worth getting for all you youngsters, there's guitars by Larry Wallis, Wilko Johnson and Andy Colquhoun, a Zappa cover, backing vox from Chrissie Hynde and Sonja Kristina (!), tracks like "Half Price Drinks", "Drunk in the Morning", and "I Want a Drink"... essential! (Also got _The Black Light_ by Calexico, aka the other two guys from Giant Sand, which is utterly brilliant!) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jul 28 09:26:39 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 09:26:39 -0400 Subject: OFF: BRAIN SURGEONS Article NYPRESS July 22-28 Message-ID: >>>Anyone else seen this? its got a great cartoon of Albert and Deb dissecting a >>Cool! I'd love to get a copy of this - anyone got a copy or scan of it? >I have a copy I could send you. Would be much obliged. I actually wanted to find a graphic using the characters from South Park that I could alter a bit - I was thinking something along the lines of Eric, Stan, and Kyle "operating" on Kenny's head (maybe with the Medusa artwork of Trepanation or the Malpractise cover work thrown in there somehow), with the the following text below it: "Brain Surgeons Kick Ass" Would look cool on a t-shirt, but there would be those damn copyright issues to deal with... Still, I might consider something like it someday for my website. John From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Jul 28 07:56:10 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:56:10 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 27 Jul 1998 to 28 Jul 1998 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 28 Jul 1998 11:33:47 BST." Message-ID: > Martyn Lawrence wrote this ... > > > btw I have just taped a documentary called "Glastonbury" I dont think the > Hawks > > are on it,the verve and spiritulised were mentioned in the article,so are > > any on the uk listers in this film ? > > Spiritualised and The Verve played Glasto this year ??? I doubt you'll find > any Hawks > on any of the info available for a few years past now.... PS. If the docu > that > you have mentions rain, it was NOT exagerrated. Well Spiritualized played a great set on sunday, but I'm almost certain the Verve didn't play, certainly not on any of the big stages. Yes the rain was apalling. For that reason I doubt I feature in any footage :-) Tim ObCD: Tortoise, _TNT_ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Jul 28 09:33:22 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 09:33:22 -0400 Subject: OFF: Brain Surgeons make L.A. Commie rag top 10!! Message-ID: >yes, the brain surgeons (whom i've never heard, by the way) were listed in the l.a. weekly's top 10 metal releases this year. Would that be *Malpractise*? You should check out tBS, by the way... >i don't have the "rag" in front of me but this holier-than-thou critic said it had been several years since he took hard rock/metal seriously on account of its past excesses/retreads/hokeyness. So, um, any of us could have written it? ;-) Seriously though, I'd be very interested to read this. >one was vixen's NEW ALBUM, automatically calling into question said crit's wits, Hey! Vixen's new album, *Tangerine*, is actually pretty cool. A much heavier album than their old ones (where they were sort of a pre-processed all-girl 80s metal band - a female version of Ratt, Great White, and Poison). The new album is sort of Vixen meets Veruca Salt - I like it (then again, maybe I just still have a thing for Roxy Petrucci...) Besides, we all probably have some favorite band or album (Club Ninja anyone? just kidding...) that would cause the rest of us to question our wits... >so, i guess my point is that west coast communist sympathisers with bad taste like the brain surgeons! Was this based solely on album review or were live shows considered (tBS did a west coast tour last summer). John From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Tue Jul 28 07:29:31 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 11:29:31 +0000 Subject: OFF: Brain Surgeons make L.A. Commie rag top 10!! Message-ID: > Besides, we all probably have some favorite band or album (Club Ninja > anyone? just kidding...) that would cause the rest of us to question > our wits... Okay, okay...mine's "Jonathan Livingston Seagull" by Neil Diamond. There. I said it. Anyone else wanna offer up a confession? I'll even throw in a bonus: Pat Boone's "No More Mister Nice Guy: In a Metal Mood". BTW, if you've never heard this one, I URGE YOU TO FIND A COPY RIGHT NOW!!!! It's fuckin' hilarious! No BOC, sadly. But "Enter Sandman" and "Crazy Train" are worth double the price you'll pay for the whole damn disc! -- Nick From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Jul 28 13:02:07 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:02:07 -0400 Subject: OFF: Mick Farren In-Reply-To: <000601bdba1a$146f5ac0$a23f63c3@default> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Jul 1998, Andy Gilham wrote: > Just got my copy of the newly re-issued Japanese CD of Mick's _Vampires > Stole My Lunch Money_ album from 1978... yes of course I always had the > vinyl... anyway it's well worth getting for all you youngsters, there's > guitars by Larry Wallis, Wilko Johnson and Andy Colquhoun, a Zappa cover, Which Zappa tune do they cover? > backing vox from Chrissie Hynde and Sonja Kristina (!), tracks like "Half > Price Drinks", "Drunk in the Morning", and "I Want a Drink"... essential! Are you sure this isn't a Tankard album?? ;-) Cheers, Paul. obBirthdayPrezzieCD: Orange Goblin, _Frequencies From Planet Ten_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Tue Jul 28 13:20:18 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 18:20:18 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 27 Jul 1998 to 28 Jul 1998 In-Reply-To: <199807281156.MAA18377@aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: At 12:56 28/07/98 +0100, you wrote: > > >Tim > > >ObCD: Tortoise, _TNT_ > > How's it compare with "Tortoise" & "millions now living..." ChrisW ObCD Nils Petter Molvaer/Khmer Free your mind & watch your ass! From beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Jul 28 13:42:48 1998 From: beautiful_foot at HOTMAIL.COM (Horse Whisperer) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 10:42:48 PDT Subject: BOC-L Digest - 27 Jul 1998 to 28 Jul 1998 Message-ID: >>Tim >> >> >>ObCD: Tortoise, _TNT_ >> >> > >How's it compare with "Tortoise" & "millions now living..." > >ChrisW It's a definite progression/maturation thing. The trademark cityscape tracks are theere, but there's more "electronica" to use a trite new term. If you enjoyed the first two, you'll definitely find this a grower. Chris. (sorry for butting in). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM Tue Jul 28 13:50:23 1998 From: cwheaton at TRANSWESTTAXI.COM (Cliff and Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 11:50:23 -0600 Subject: OFF: Brain Surgeons make L.A. Commie rag top 10!! Message-ID: > Besides, we all probably have some favorite band or album (Club Ninja > > anyone? just kidding...) that would cause the rest of us to question > > our wits... > > Okay, okay...mine's "Jonathan Livingston Seagull" by Neil Diamond. > There. I said it. Anyone else wanna offer up a confession? I'll confess-How about Johnny Cash's "Bitter Tears" album, And the "Best of" Peter, Paul & Mary too!!Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton ____/----^----\____ The greatest tool > Besides, we all probably have some favorite band or album (Club Ninja > > anyone? just kidding...) that would cause the rest of us to question > > our wits... Hmm...since I sort of started this, here's a few CDs in my collection that might make you wonder about me... Veruca Salt - American Thighs, Eight Arms to Hold You, Blow it Out Your Ass Vixen - Vixen, Rev it Up, Tangerine David Lee Roth - Eat 'em and Smile KISS - Alive, Alive II, Alive III Rush - Chronicles, Test For Echo (for Martin Popoff's benefit) Y&T - Greatest Hits '81 to '85 (sorry AB) Pat Benatar - Greatest Hits The Bangles - Greatest Hits The Ramones - Greatest Hits The B-52s - Greatest Hits Alanis Morisette - Jagged Little Pill (no kidding!) Henry Mancini - Greatest Hits and of course, the most twisted CD in my collection: Peter Bohovesky - Peter Bohovesky ;-) John From OE3 at AOL.COM Tue Jul 28 15:34:51 1998 From: OE3 at AOL.COM (Eddie Williamson) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:34:51 EDT Subject: OFF: CDs which question our wits Message-ID: In a message dated 7/28/98 12:07:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG writes: << > Besides, we all probably have some favorite band or album (Club Ninja > > anyone? just kidding...) that would cause the rest of us to question > > our wits... Hmm...since I sort of started this, here's a few CDs in my collection that might make you wonder about me... Veruca Salt - American Thighs, Eight Arms to Hold You, Blow it Out Your Ass Vixen - Vixen, Rev it Up, Tangerine David Lee Roth - Eat 'em and Smile KISS - Alive, Alive II, Alive III Rush - Chronicles, Test For Echo (for Martin Popoff's benefit) Y&T - Greatest Hits '81 to '85 (sorry AB) Pat Benatar - Greatest Hits The Bangles - Greatest Hits The Ramones - Greatest Hits The B-52s - Greatest Hits Alanis Morisette - Jagged Little Pill (no kidding!) Henry Mancini - Greatest Hits and of course, the most twisted CD in my collection: Peter Bohovesky - Peter Bohovesky ;-) John >> i strive to uphold my credibility but i have a soft spot for country-rock legends, poco. "good feelin' to know", anyone? they had great harmonies and for southern california, '70s soft-rock, they can't be beat! plus, they were the first country-rock band, along with byrds mid-period, graham parsons stuff, and the eagles stole two poco bassists! recommended: the very best of POCO. cheerio! wits a-drifting, oe3 From mwood at MY-DEJANEWS.COM Tue Jul 28 16:47:26 1998 From: mwood at MY-DEJANEWS.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:47:26 -0700 Subject: OFF: High Tide Message-ID: Since I've enjoyed all the Simon House stuff that I've picked up so far, I'm thinking about buying some of the High Tide CDs. There is a single CD that contains both _High Tide_ and _Sea Shanties_ - are these good? Does the CD omit any songs from the original albums (I hate that!). Any other "must have" Simon House material - I've got all the Hawkwind and Spiral Realms CDs, plus _Yassasim_ and some of the stuff he did with Nik. There is something called "Gulp" from '91, and one or two releases with the Third Ear Band - are these any good? I'm aware of the work House did with David Bowie, but I'm not much of a Bowie fan... Thanks in advance! MWood NP: _Space Ritual_ -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums From mwood at MY-DEJANEWS.COM Tue Jul 28 16:58:30 1998 From: mwood at MY-DEJANEWS.COM (Marshall Wood) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:58:30 -0700 Subject: HW: items available Message-ID: I've got a few items for sale or trade that might be of interest. All are still in the shrink wrap: Simon House _Yassasim_ (4 copies) Mike Moorcock/Deep Fix _New Worlds Fair_ Hawkwind _Area S4_ (EP) Melting Euphoria _Upon the Solar Winds_ (this one is used) I'd love to get the Love in Space EP, or really any good space rock... MWood -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Jul 28 17:16:26 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:16:26 -0400 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet tour dates In-Reply-To: <35BB55F9.B0D20451@palmnet.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 26 Jul 1998, Captain Cloud wrote: > The A&M Records site has an extensive Monster Magnet tour dates > schedule, which apparently began a few days ago. Anyway, check > it out at http://www.amrecords.com/artists/monstermagnet/ Much kudos to Capt. Cloud for bringing this to our attention. I checked out the WWW site, and, to my astonishment, discovered that Monster Magnet are playing Roanoke tonight!! (Obviously, they heard it was my birthday today, so decided to come down to play for me especially. I can't think of any other reason they'd be playing Roanoke...;) If folks hear of any other BOC-L "related" tours, please post of their existence to this list. The www.pollstar.com WWW site has good coverage (better than Ticketbastard's site), but is not kompleat. These bands need our support, especially in poor markets like SW Virginia. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Spiritual Beggars, _Mantra III_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Jul 28 18:01:30 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:01:30 -0500 Subject: OFF: Lemmy Help - Thanx Message-ID: Thanks to all for the assistance in identifying the origins of the songs on Beartrap. I'm a sucker for live music so Hammersmith and this rare '83 sound like a good starting place. Again I thank you...though my wallet probably won't. 8>) Ghost in the Ruins "Remember amigos, PBS sucks becuase its free!" - Johnny Bluejeans From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Jul 28 18:05:00 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:05:00 -0500 Subject: BOC: Superhits, hello FAQMAN Message-ID: Sir FAQMAN: I recently saw the Superhits disc at Best Buy. Yep cover is cheesy but no where near as bad as the Champions of Rock. Since you have the disc in hand, tell me, is that Bruce Dikinson (sp) of Iron Maiden fame who is credited as the compilation producer/coordinator? Thanx Ghost in the Ruins "Remember amigos, PBS sucks becuase its free!" - Johnny Bluejeans From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Jul 28 18:54:09 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 18:54:09 -0400 Subject: OFF: Better popular bands?? Message-ID: Hi Folks... Awhile back I mentioned Radiohead in part of a message, wondering what it was that was so fascinating to some progheads and common folk alike. At that point, I had picked up a cheapie used copy of Pablo Honey, and was summarily unimpressed by what appeared to be your average run-of-the-mill alternative rock. Folks here and on PT-trans indicated that they had grown fantastically since, and to try out the newest, OK Computer. Well, I kind of put that in the back of my head for a spell, but yesterday came across a used copy of this one. So I went for it. Well, it's too early to tell with only one listen, but I'm only slightly more impressed with this effort. There is definitely some interesting music going on here at times, particularly on tracks 2 and 3, the latter being wonderfully spacey. There are also a few throw-away tracks. I don't particularly care for the bright, sometimes brassy sound of the recording, particularly the percussion and often the guitar as well. But I guess that's personal taste (and from listening to too much Black Sabbath). But there is one thing about this band that makes it impossible for me to recommend....the singer just plain sucks. His voice is awful, and he sings in a whiny style that reminds me of the projected ghouls in (the original) Star Trek episode 'Catspaw.' (What was it that Spock said??? "Very bad poetry." or something?) :) Now I seem to get the impression that quite a number of popular bands have vocalists who drone on like this. Three that come to mind (now keep in mind that I've heard exactly one song by each of these groups ever, and that being on TV shows) are: the guy from Third Eye Blind (who I panned here before...man, he sucked!) the guy from Oasis (I saw them on TV last week...man, he *really* sucks!) Dave Matthews (who was on-stage with some other band guesting...what a hack!!) Well, whatever the case, no way am I going to recommend this band to everyone simply on account of them being the only progressive-type artist to have people's attention at the moment. (I guess Spiritualized is another...haven't heard them, but I assume they're similar to Spaceman 3, who they were spawned from, is that right?? Anyway, the one Spaceman 3 disc I have didn't impress me at all. Finland's Circle is an order of magnitude more interesting using the same, hypnotic-drone-noise base.) But back to what I was saying, I'm not going to 'lower my lofty standards' :) to support this average group in light of the dozens of wonderful bands out there that *could* be replacing them in the spotlight. For instance, yesterday I also found a used copy of a 'Walk on Water' (Detroit, MI) mini-CD called 'Solvent-based melodies', which is wonderful, and beats the hell out of OK Computer. There are so many really good bands sprouting up these days, esp. here in the states and in Scandinavia (at least that's my preception). Strangely, the UK and Germany no longer seem to be providing 90% of the music I buy, like they had for so long. No matter, I guess it's our turn now for a change. Spread the fun around a little bit. So anyway, there are more names that I see pop up from time to time in newsgroups and various mailing lists. By no means am I against supporting a popular band (I'm all for Monster Magnet, etc. making a name for themselves in pop culture), so are any of these artists *really* any damn good, and in what way... Spiritualized (as mentioned before) The Verve (or is it Verve Pipe?? why do I see it both ways??) Gov't Mule Perfume Tree (I'm not sure if they're well known or not??) That's all the ranting for now. I have enough indie bands to discover that I don't have time to search out all these pop bands. :) In Space We Trust...Keith H. (FAA) ObCD: quarkspace - Live Orion (*much* more impressive than the S/T debut) From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Tue Jul 28 19:13:05 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 00:13:05 +0100 Subject: OFF: Mick Farren In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Which Zappa tune do they cover? "Trouble Coming Every Day" > Are you sure this isn't a Tankard album?? ;-) It's much better than that! :) Have a look at Mick's homepage, on http://members.aol.com/byron4d/index.html - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Tue Jul 28 19:44:30 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 19:44:30 -0400 Subject: OFF: Better popular bands?? In-Reply-To: <199807282254.SAA26210@mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Jul 1998, Keith Henderson wrote: > that's personal taste (and from listening to too much Black Sabbath). But > there is one thing about this band that makes it impossible for me to > recommend....the singer just plain sucks. His voice is awful, and he sings I know what you mean about awful singers. I picked up a used CD by The Legendary Pink Dots recently, because they'd cropped up on this list. Nice music, but the singer really got on my wick in no time at all. His accent sounds like it's affected (either that, or he's just trying too damned hard to sound like Syd Barrett!), and his voice sounds too juvenile. A classic case of "shut up 'n' play yer guitar!" > So anyway, there are more names that I see pop up from time to time in > newsgroups and various mailing lists. By no means am I against supporting a > popular band (I'm all for Monster Magnet, etc. making a name for themselves > in pop culture), so are any of these artists *really* any damn good, and in > what way... > Gov't Mule \begin{mule_evangelism} Gov't Mule are *THE* power trio of the 90s! They have excellent musicianship, and know how to jam hard. If you like the Jimi Hendrix Experience, Cream, Mountain, etc. etc. then you'll love Gov't Mule. That's not to say they are just copyists: they have their own sound, and have taken the trio format even further. Their music is heavy, complex, and jammin'. Better yet, they really cut it live. If you like Lemmy's bass work, you'll no doubt like Allen Woody's handiwork! Try out their live album, _Live at Roseland Ballroom_, or either of their studio efforts. (Although I initially preferred their eponymous debut, I now actually prefer _Dose_.) You can listen to MP3 snippets of _Dose_ on the Gov't Mule WWW site (www.mule.net), in the discography section. There's also apparently a link to the *entire* _...Roseland Ballroom_ album, in RealAudio format, from that site, also (but I haven't listened to the RA version, since I can't play that proprietary format on my machine). Also, the great thing about Gov't Mule is that they sanction taping, and there are tons of live gigs freely floating around. Mulers love to spread around the band's music, often for just blanks and postage (B&P). There is a permanent tape tree (semi-official) which is a source for high-quality live shows. There is also the Mule Pool, which is a WWW site listing Mule tape traders, most of whom are newbie-friendly. Links to all of these can be found from the www.mule.net site. Lastly, have a search on the Rolling Stone WWW site, in their concerts archive. There are Gov't Mule shows there. At least with Gov't Mule, you should be able to get an idea what they're like without spending any $$$. \end{mule_evangelism} Off to see Monster Magnet, now... Cheers, Paul. obCD: Orange Goblin, _Frequencies From Planet Ten_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Tue Jul 28 20:43:00 1998 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 00:43:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Mixing desk tapes In-Reply-To: <199807280012.KAA29537@mcegate.fujitsu.com.au> Message-ID: To LN1GJT: i received the first 1/2 of your e-mail only. (the icq direct address only gives 400 characters or something) reply to alimac at netcomuk.co.uk if you like see ya alasdair -- Page me online: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 Send me E-mail Express direct to my screen: 1573250 at pager.mirabilis.com alimac at netcomuk.co.uk (Alasdair Macdonald) From alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK Tue Jul 28 20:43:00 1998 From: alimac at NETCOMUK.CO.UK (Alasdair Macdonald) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 00:43:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Mixing desk tapes In-Reply-To: <199807280012.KAA29537@mcegate.fujitsu.com.au> Message-ID: On 28 Jul 98 at 10:12, Martyn Lawrence wrote: > > I'm one of those who prefers low generation audience tapes if at all > > possible, but there's always an exception and Brighton 5/12/79 is the > > exception for me. > > > > Alasdair > > > Alisdair is the Brighton Tape good quality,i've been looking for a > decent '79 tour tape especially a good recording of New Jerusalem. yep, so far as i remember i thought everyone had nice quality copy of this - mine's not superlative, but it's still well above average, and exciting. Dunno about new jerusalem, i'm not one for songtitles, especially instrumentals which i assume n.j. is. > re:1989 tour > IMHO I think the band played better in their USA tour just before > the uk '89 tour,although "Rambo in Space" was played at Hav a > sniff,but Simon was always too low in the mix. i haven't really compared these shows side by side, all i can say is that having had hw turn my head upside down, inside out and back again at 3 shows on that december tour - and i taped Norwich & cambridge - i have enormous fondness for those tapes. As bernhard said, the norwich tape i think is *the one*. As for simon being low in the mix, who cares - it worked for me. if there's anything worse than an individual being too low in the mix, it's someone being too high. i remember that tour as a compact, uh power-trio kinda space-rock, lean, mean, you that hawkwind thing... but to the MAX and simon was just easing over under and around the pulsating space-rock - an awesome 90 minute trip... well you get the idea. I think my least favourite era of HW was the immediately preceding 2 or 3 years - i thought it was a little stale, i'd seen a lot of shows in the early 80's and the band seemed to have drifted from the things that got me into hw in the first place. So then mr chadwick joined, and a uk tour was announced... what the hell, i'll go to the 2 local gigs, it's the least i could do... well of course norwich was so awesome myself & 4 others decided we *had* to pick another show to attend - and for a variety of reasons, only 1 was suitable - wolverhampton 2 weeks later and a couple of hundred miles away. And that was a night i can still remember, too - and, frankly, i don't remember *all* of the hw shows i've seen. Thanks for the memories ;-) all the best, alasdair -- Page me online: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1573250 Send me E-mail Express direct to my screen: 1573250 at pager.mirabilis.com alimac at netcomuk.co.uk (Alasdair Macdonald) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Jul 28 21:01:21 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 01:01:21 +0000 Subject: OFF: Better popular bands?? Message-ID: On tis 28 jul 1998 18.54 -0400 "Keith Henderson" wrote: > Well, whatever the case, no way am I going to recommend this band to > everyone simply on account of them being the only progressive-type artist to > have people's attention at the moment. I would never have imagined anyone describing Radiohead as progressive! They are pretty much what chart-dazzled students at Cambridge consider a "cool" rock band (and everything I've had to hear has been relentlessly unremarkable--I recall their once-upon-a-time hit "Creep" had a catchy riff and, um, that's all I can remember ... :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From steven.chappell at VIRGIN.NET Tue Jul 28 20:07:36 1998 From: steven.chappell at VIRGIN.NET (Steven.T.Chappell) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 01:07:36 +0100 Subject: HAWKWIND LYRICS Message-ID: SEEKING ASSISTANCE Is there a database of Hawkwind lyrics I am sure I was told that there was. If so how and where do I get hold of it. Thanks to any and all We are the Warriors at the Edge of Time. From steven.chappell at VIRGIN.NET Tue Jul 28 20:11:09 1998 From: steven.chappell at VIRGIN.NET (Steven.T.Chappell) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 01:11:09 +0100 Subject: E-MAIL ADDRESSING Message-ID: Anyone else had problems persuading Microsoft Outlook Express that this Listserv E-Mail address is valid.I cannot get it to operate unless I do a re-mail command.It will not even let me add it to the address book. TKS From christmu at EUNET.NO Tue Jul 28 21:55:34 1998 From: christmu at EUNET.NO (christmu at EUNET.NO) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 03:55:34 +0200 Subject: OFF: BRAIN SURGEONS Article NYPRESS July 22-28 In-Reply-To: <199807280901.LAA10007@login-2.eunet.no> Message-ID: I can scan it in as text if its really long to type (I love OCR reading :) - what a far out sounding cartoon, I'd love to see it... Christian ObCD - Gongzilla - Thrive >> >>Anyone else seen this? its got a great cartoon of Albert and Deb dissecting a >> > >> >Cool! I'd love to get a copy of this - anyone got a copy or scan of it? >> >> I have a copy I could send you. > From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Tue Jul 28 22:27:28 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 22:27:28 -0400 Subject: OFF: Not fair Message-ID: Doug Bates asks... >Could someone PLEASE recap what Nik said about SD !!! >The web page just lists the table of contents without the >article referred to above. I don't care about what Nik said about Dave. (Well, the discussion about SD and Dave are pretty much tied together, sorry to say.) But, OK, here's a quick synopsis. Note that this part was in the last issue (#2), which contained the first half of the NikT interview. Condensed to soundbite form... "Stay tuned for more on this edition of Hard Copy." "I was actually very disappointed with Strange Daze" "I had busted two toes" "Friday night which was great" "he said, 'Oh, do they?'" "if he can play in tune" "you don't know the other songs" "oh, f*ck off, I don't wanna play any of that sh*t" "they are only here to see us" Well, that's as much as I want to transcribe. Of course, the entire thing is not on the web. Who would pay to subscribe if it were, even for a measly $10?? Of course, I won't mention how much better Chr.' art looks on the webpage, even despite some day-glo colouring. :) >Its sad Nik will not be at SD this year. Anyone going anyway? I assume this is a joke?! :) Of course, I'm going. Space rock in America is what it's all about, now. Hawkwind's here, of course, to give it wider recognition, but I've already seen them 15 times. The times they are a'changin', however, and there are going to be 13 or 14 other very capable space rockers there as well. Jerry Richards will be new for me, however, and I do expect that HW's set will be the highlight of the three days. Scott writes: >>I had to respond to this.... Keith's reviews in AI were excellent and spot >>on! Everyone must have everyone one of the lps he reviewed! (To qualify this second statement, I think Scott is referring to a collection of 20 classic albums from the past and present, as opposed to the standard reviews of new releases in the back section. I just don't want anyone to think that I would only review great albums, or say that every album I heard was great...that does more of a disservice than a service, and is why publications like Aural Innovations are helpful above and beyond the 'catalog reviews' you see, where every album (that they're trying to sell) is a must-have! To be fair, Wylie Stone (Bananamoon) doesn't do this (i.e., he's honest) although his descriptions are too brief for my purposes a lot of the time.) Chr. answers to Scott: >I agree 100%, *though* I'm a purist and would exclude a few of the krauts >who I'd argue are not really a psychedelic extension of blues/jazz but more >of art school anti-rock experimentators. Anyway :) Well, thanks for the kind words from both. Of course, Chr. is referring (I believe) to the inclusion of such Krautrock experimentalists as Neu!, Faust, and Cluster in the list of 20. In one sense, he's entirely correct (as above), but then another way to look at it (and the way I have justified it, other than simply invoking writer's privilege), is that these three represent in a 'pure' form, three important aspects of a lot of space rock music, that being... Experimentalism (Faust) Repetitive, hypnotic rhythms (Neu!, and Can would have sufficed also) Pure electronic/ambient music (Cluster) So there... :) Scott says further (on interview)... >>but....... it is not fair to interpret the interview the way you did that Christan >>and I did with Nik. We did not try to get him to say anything nasty about Dave. >>We just asked about Strange Daze and Nik went off the deep end. OK, I never meant that Nik's words weren't his own. I thought I was joking. Ah, but then the truth is revealed!! Chr. admits... >Beleive me, its exploitative work on all levels. :) I just wish that *one* half of the interview didn't contain some negative remarks about Dave, just so I wouldn't hesitate on handing a copy of an AI issue to Dave when he's here next month. Lemme see, where'd I put that heavy black marker?? :) Well, I'll just let Jerry (Kranitz) do it. :) Keith H. (FAA) P.S. I got my weekend SD'98 pass...I'm ready! P.P.S. One month after Dave reads Aural Innovations, Issues #2 and #3... "Next on Jerry Springer...This old fart of a guitarist says that his old bandmate can't even remember which end of the instrument to blow into. We'll get his reaction after we come back from these messages." :) From mordru at FLITE.NET Wed Jul 29 00:17:51 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 00:17:51 -0400 Subject: Poor fuckin' humans on COL:TMY Message-ID: >Someone here wrote that on Career Of Evil: The Metal Years, isn't >heard the phrase "You poor fuckin' humans" at the Black Blade's >fade-out. > >I have an European (Dutch) copy of TMY, and it is heard in the same >way as it is on Cultosaurus. So, maybe it is something wrong with the >american copy? I'll take another listen, but I'm pretty sure I saw that written somewhere... -AAA From artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM Wed Jul 29 00:35:03 1998 From: artshop at ARTIST-SHOP.COM (Gary Davis) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 00:35:03 -0400 Subject: Helen Wheels & David Roter Method Message-ID: Hello Folks! The latest Artist Shop newsletter is out and you'll find it in its entirety at . Below is an excerpt of that part of the newsletter most of interest to this mailing list ;-) Fans of the Brain Surgeons and BOC will want to check out some new entries on our Cellsum page by Helen Wheels and David Roter Method. Helen Wheels/Archetype - Archetype is a compilation of material that spans this eclectic performer's twenty year career. Ms. Wheels co-penned every song on this remarkable collection. The depth and vision of her work shines bright in Archetype, as she hones in with steel-bladed accuracy on the gritty realities of everyday life and every woman's dreams of love. Archetype reincarnates the best from the beginning of this outstanding artist's musical career and gives birth to a mature awakening of new purpose and definition. Two brand new bonus tracks crown this retrospective: "Tatoo Vampire," recorded with The Brain Surgeons, and "Niagara Falls," recorded with The X Brothers. David Roter Method/Live at Arlene Grocery 6/98 on VHS - This was a very recent performance from David Roter Method including Joe and Al Bouchard in the band as David sings song about, "My mother, my brother and my dick!" David's joyfully wicked sense of humor is always at the forefront in his songs and on-stage banter. It's rock'n'roll and it's fun! Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop.com phone: 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Wed Jul 29 00:40:02 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 04:40:02 +0000 Subject: OFF: Better popular bands?? Message-ID: > There is definitely some interesting music > going on here at times, particularly on tracks 2 and 3, the latter being > wonderfully spacey. There are also a few throw-away tracks. I don't know the whole album, but Kharma Police sort of grew on me from having to play it over and over again. Can't really say I 'like' it...more, I've come to appreciate what's good about it through forced repeated listenings. > Now I seem to get the impression that quite a number of popular bands have > vocalists who drone on like this. This is absolutely true. But hey, that's rock and roll right now. There are very few Ian Gillans or Bruce Dickinsons out there when it comes to vocals anymore. Musical talent has pretty much taken a back seat to marketing. Which is ironic, since it used to be pretty difficult to market a band that had no talent (although opinions vary). Similarly, there aren't many Buck Dharmas on guitar, no Jack Bruces on Bass, no Al Bouchards or Neil Perts on drums, etc. It seems in alternative/popular music nowadays, everything else is just sort of background for some marketable guy or girl singer. Either that or music has entered a period of true socialism, in which each band member is treated no better or worse than the others, but rather just one piece of a single machine. Whatever. IMO, we're basically in the second coming of the punk attitude. Punk itself if making a bit of a comeback, albeit in a new form, and a lot of the alternative takes the same approach...raw feel replacing actual virtuoso performing. Let's be honest here...although there are probably a lot of old (and perhaps new) punks on this list, when the stuff first came out, many of the "real" rock and roll fans of the period reacted to it the same way. > (I'm all for Monster Magnet, etc. making a name for themselves > in pop culture) Space Lord seems to be doing pretty good on the alternative charts right now. And just for all you HW fans, my co-host on the radio identified them as a new band the other day, and I had to correct her and launch into the whole "space rock" thing and whatnot. I did my best, although I'm not really an expert on the subject. But I threw in a HW reference. > The Verve (or is it Verve Pipe?? why do I see it both ways??) Two different bands. -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Wed Jul 29 00:40:02 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 04:40:02 +0000 Subject: OFF: Better popular bands?? Message-ID: > Gov't Mule are *THE* power trio of the 90s! They have excellent > musicianship, and know how to jam hard. Tell me...is Warren Haynes, late of Allman Bros., in this band? If so, what's his status with the Allmans? I know they're on tour this summer. Is Mule a side project for Haynes? What's the deal? -- Nick From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Wed Jul 29 06:13:44 1998 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (M S Wright) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:13:44 +0100 Subject: OFF: High Tide In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Jul 1998, Marshall Wood wrote: > Since I've enjoyed all the Simon House stuff that I've picked up so far, I'm thinking about buying some of the High Tide CDs. There is a single CD that contains both _High Tide_ and _Sea Shanties_ - are these good? I reckon they are the best of the HT stuff, they are the originals anyway (ie originally intended to be released, when the band was of its time). I am pretty sure that the albums are complete, as they are both short LPs anyway. IF you haven't heard any HT then it'll be a bit different to Simon's other stuff, cos it is heavy and sprawling and flowing and gorgeous and drenched with large violin (at least this is how I recall it, I haven't listened to them for ages, shame on me). There are other HT releases, but have never seemed as good to me. There was an 80s recording (Interesting Times) and a live LP released. There was also a track on another album, but get the originals first as they are the best. > Any other "must have" Simon House material - I've got all the Hawkwind and Spiral Realms CDs, plus _Yassasim_ and some of the stuff he did with Nik. There is something called "Gulp" from '91, and one or two releases with the Third Ear Band - are these any good? I'm aware of the work House did with David Bowie, but I'm not much of a Bowie fan... If you ever see the first Vitamin Z album then there is a violinist called Simon House on one track, but resist the urge to but this, cos it isn't very interesting. I'm not a big fan of the TEB, but that is more to my musical tastes rather than fair comment on their output. I've only got 'Music from Macbeth' which is improvised and thin and meandering (again not heard it recently so this is not a reliable slagging off). Cheers Mike w From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jul 29 08:03:19 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:03:19 +0000 Subject: OFF: Not fair Message-ID: On tis 28 jul 1998 22.27 -0400 "Keith Henderson" wrote: > "I was actually very disappointed with Strange Daze" > "I had busted two toes" > "Friday night which was great" > "he said, 'Oh, do they?'" > "if he can play in tune" > "you don't know the other songs" > "oh, f*ck off, I don't wanna play any of that sh*t" > "they are only here to see us" Thus, I think, Chris and Scott would have had their work cut out to _prevent_ Nik from slagging Dave off! I mean, that's what ex-members of Hawkwind do to each other--it's traditional ;) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jul 29 07:27:27 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:27:27 +0100 Subject: OFF: Better popular bands?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Gov't Mule are *THE* power trio of the 90s! So they're basically an anachronism then? :)) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 29 07:32:50 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 07:32:50 EDT Subject: OFF: Better popular bands?? In-Reply-To: <199807290834.EAA32030@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: > From: "" > > Gov't Mule are *THE* power trio of the 90s! They have excellent > > musicianship, and know how to jam hard. > Man, you know that! Seen GM 3 times now, and never been less than blown away... > Tell me...is Warren Haynes, late of Allman Bros., in this band? If > so, what's his status with the Allmans? I know they're on tour this > summer. Is Mule a side project for Haynes? What's the deal? > It started as a side project, but Warren and Woody are now full-time with GM. They were replaced by Jack Pearson and the amazing Otiel Burbridge on gtr and bass respectively. Have yet to hear the current ABB lineup, but I'm told they're excellent. I saw Otiel live once with Aquarium Rescue Unit, and he's maybe the best there is. Also an incredible gtr player in ARU: Jimmy Herring. Jimmy's kind of a cross between John McLaughlin and Jeff Beck! Absolutely amazing. I think all you Zappa fans would really dig ARU... ******************************* theo "...Power in the hands of fools..." From mpower at FCMC.COM Wed Jul 29 08:43:54 1998 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:43:54 -0400 Subject: shameless appreciation Message-ID: Nick English red-facedly admitted: > Okay, okay...mine's "Jonathan Livingston Seagull" by Neil Diamond. > There. I said it. Anyone else wanna offer up a confession? > > I'll even throw in a bonus: Pat Boone's "No More Mister Nice Guy: In > a Metal Mood". You don't need an excuse for either of these, they are both great (although the JLS movie was pretty crummy and totally over long, Spielberg could have done a cool job with it though) Crazy Train really kicks some ass! In Space we Trust, Marc. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jul 29 10:12:02 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:12:02 +0000 Subject: OFF: Better popular bands?? Message-ID: On ons 29 jul 1998 12.27 +0100 "Andy Gilham" wrote: >> Gov't Mule are *THE* power trio of the 90s! > > So they're basically an anachronism then? > :)) Perhaps :) But a *damn* good one! (Of course, we good argue that Kyuss and the Spiritual Beggars are also effectively 90s power trios, but we could also argue that they too are anachronisms :) Probably the same for Bevis Frond :) I think Clutch is a three-piece as well, but I've still not found the new album). Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jul 29 10:13:33 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:13:33 +0000 Subject: OFF: Better popular bands?? Message-ID: On ons 29 jul 1998 07.32 +0000 "Ted Jackson jr. s2h2" wrote: > Also an > incredible gtr player in ARU: Jimmy Herring. Jimmy's kind of a cross > between John McLaughlin and Jeff Beck! Absolutely amazing. I think > all you Zappa fans would really dig ARU... Alas, I gather Jimmy Herring (an excellent guitar player and an _extremely_ nice guy) is without a fixed gig these days. Anyone know what he has been up to? -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jul 29 09:11:47 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:11:47 -0400 Subject: BOC: Superhits, hello FAQMAN Message-ID: >Since you have the disc in hand, tell me, is that Bruce Dikinson (sp) of Iron Maiden fame who is credited as the compilation producer/coordinator? I don't know, but I doubt it. There was nothing to suggest in the liner notes that it was (no notes like "BOC influenced everbody from fIREHOSE to Iron Maiden"). I've never heard of any association between the 2 bands (other than after BOC, Iron Maiden was probably my personal favorit band in the early/mid 80s) John From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jul 29 10:18:30 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:18:30 +0000 Subject: OFF: Queens of the Stone Age/Kyuss Message-ID: Those interested in checking them out can find mp3 files of the Queens of the Stone Age (Josh Homme, Ben Shepherd, et al.) at the following site for the remainder of today anyway. http://tridox.cfug.org/queens/ There are QotSA covers of Kyuss's "Green Machine" and "Thumb". I've not heard them, since my aging computer doesn't do mp3's :/ but I expect they're worth a listen! -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 29 09:28:31 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:28:31 EDT Subject: OFF: Better popular bands?? In-Reply-To: <779592.3110710413@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > From: Carl Edlund Anderson > > Alas, I gather Jimmy Herring (an excellent guitar player > and an _extremely_ nice guy) is without a fixed gig these days. > Anyone know what he has been up to? > > -- I was on the ARU list til Otiel left for good. Though at that time the band was pretty much broken up. I saw one of their last gigs--same venue I saw Bevis Frond. From what I gather, Jimmy's been bouncing around from gig to gig. He did some stuff with Gregg Allman on a side project away from ABB, then some stuff with young [but hardly green!] Derek TRucks. I'll have to check in with some folks from the ARU list and see if anyone knows what Jimmy's up to. You're right about what a nice fella he is. Very gracious when I saw him even though it was a horribly small turnout. Why this guy hasn't landed a top gig is beyond me... I swear I must be jinxing all these bands--the typhoid Mary of rock! Every time I go to a show that isn't superstar level, nobody shows up ******************************* theo "...Power in the hands of fools..." From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 29 09:30:15 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:30:15 EDT Subject: OFF: Better popular bands?? In-Reply-To: <774103.3110710322@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > From: Carl Edlund Anderson > (Of course, we good argue that Kyuss and the Spiritual > Beggars are also effectively 90s power trios, but we could > also argue that they too are anachronisms :) Probably the > same for Bevis Frond :) I think Clutch is a three-piece as > well, but I've still not found the new album). > And, Bevis Frond is essentially a solo gig, isn't it, or are the rhythm guys permanent members? Isn't the bassist a HW-alum? ******************************* theo "...Power in the hands of fools..." From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Wed Jul 29 09:54:12 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:54:12 -0400 Subject: OFF: Better popular bands?? Message-ID: >And, Bevis Frond is essentially a solo gig, isn't it, or are the >rhythm guys permanent members? Isn't the bassist a HW-alum? The latest BF album is all Nick Saloman. BF's Ade Shaw was the bass player on the HW CD I'm listening to right now at work, "Quark Strangeness & Charm" Which is a terrific album (and the source of The Brain Surgeons' cover "Hassan I Sahba") but I would never in a million years recommend it as a 1st HW album for a BOC fan... I still can't listen to "Spirit of the Age", despite the incredible lyrics. Brian ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html "You'd better be prepared for the jump into hyperspace. It's unpleasently like being drunk.' 'What's so unpleasent about being drunk?' 'You ask a glass of water.'" -Ford Prefect and Arthur Dent ---------- >******************************* > >theo > > >"...Power in the hands of fools..." From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Jul 29 10:19:11 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 07:19:11 -0700 Subject: OFF: Brain Surgeons make L.A. Commie rag top 10!! Message-ID: Besides, we all probably have some favorite band or album (Club Ninja > anyone? just kidding...) that would cause the rest of us to question our wits... >Okay, okay...mine's "Jonathan Livingston Seagull" by Neil Diamond. There. I said it. Anyone else wanna offer up a confession? Ah never be ashamed to own some Neil Diamond, he's quite good. >I'll even throw in a bonus: Pat Boone's "No More Mister Nice Guy: In a Metal Mood". -- Nick >From what I have heard of it its beter than watching South Park. A real scream! Hmmm, one man's trash is another mans treasure... I own or owned (recently purged a lot of riff-raff) Anthrax - Sounds Like White Noise (Tape) Loudness - (forgot the title...ooops) Bill and Ted II Soundtrack (What the hell the King's X song, Jr.'s Gone Wild is awsome) Some dreadful compilation with a lot of European metal bands called "Teach them While They are Young" White Lion - Mane Attraction White Lion - Big Game Yngwie Malmsteen - Fire and Ice (Tape) Judas Priest - Stained Class (tape) Shonnen Knife (forgot this one too) (tape) There is probably lots more. But trash to treasure, I could not in good faith, John Swartz, list Kiss Alive I as trash. That suker rocks baby. One of my all time fave 70's album. Now the other two, yeah, make 'em frisbees. Ghost in the Ruins "Remember amigos, PBS sucks becuase its free!" - Johnny Bluejeans From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Jul 29 10:31:54 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:31:54 -0500 Subject: OFF Gov't Mule, Music for your Ass! Message-ID: Paul>begin{mule_evangelism} Gov't Mule are *THE* power trio of the 90s! They have excellent musicianship, and know how to jam hard. If you like the Jimi Hendrix Experience, Cream, Mountain, etc. etc. then you'll love Gov't Mule. That's not to say they are just copyists: they have their own sound, and have taken the trio format even further. Their music is heavy, complex, and jammin'. Better yet, they really cut it live. If you like Lemmy's bass work, you'll no doubt like Allen Woody's handiwork! Try out their live album, _Live at Roseland Ballroom_, or either of their studio efforts. (Although I initially preferred their eponymous debut, I now actually prefer _Dose_.) like without spending any $$$. \end{mule_evangelism} ---------------------------------------------- Gov't Mule, Music for your Ass! Here here Paul well spoken. The Mule rocks. >Tell me...is Warren Haynes, late of Allman Bros., in this band? If so, what's his status with the Allmans? I know they're on tour this summer. Is Mule a side project for Haynes? What's the deal? -- Nick That be him Nick. My understanding is that the Mule began as a side project but is now the full time gig, up the Allmans. Similar origins to a relatively obscure outfit called Sea Level. Started as the Allmans rythm section and then started doing stuff on their own. Were inspired by the great jam sessions during sound checks. For a while the members of Sea Level did both gigs, but eventually decided to go solo. They had a career spanning four albums. The record company went out of business on them. Damn fine group, far more like Allman Bros. music with some natural progression. Mule just plain kicks ass, only way I can describe them. Check out the Live CD. Single take, complete with some mistakes, but damn does the power shine through. Ghost in the Ruins "Remember amigos, PBS sucks becuase its free!" - Johnny Bluejeans PS - No problem on the Y&T Best of Mr. Swartz. This mop top crew is for the discerning hair band lovers amongst us. I still say they are a better band than Van Halen heheheheheheheheheh. Ooooo check out there new one, I finally have seen this thing in general stores, it rocks! From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Jul 29 11:09:36 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:09:36 EDT Subject: OFF Gov't Mule, Music for your Ass! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD, Adrian R." . Mule just plain kicks ass, only way I can describe > them. Check out the Live CD. Single take, complete with some mistakes, > but damn does the power shine through. > > Dose is pretty much one take too. GM does things in reverse--some rhythm parts are added later. The lead parts are live, pretty much. The basic tracks are recorded just like a live gig, so if Warren wants to beef up the rhythm parts where he was soloing, he adds them later... ******************************* theo "...Power in the hands of fools..." From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Jul 29 12:20:48 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:20:48 -0400 Subject: OFF: Brain Surgeons make L.A. Commie rag top 10!! Message-ID: >But trash to treasure, I could not in good faith, John Swartz, list Kiss Alive I as trash. That suker rocks baby. One of my all time fave 70's album. Now the other two, yeah, make 'em frisbees. Yeah, my point was really not against Alive, or even Alive II (although it's nowhere near as good - but does capture KISS in 1977 pretty acurately), but the fact that I didn't know to quit when I was ahead (and got Alive III - actually, it sounds o.k., but the coolest stuff on there is their old material). John From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Jul 29 12:43:24 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:43:24 -0400 Subject: OFF: Better popular bands?? In-Reply-To: <000101bdbae3$dd870d80$443f63c3@default> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Jul 1998, Andy Gilham wrote: > > Gov't Mule are *THE* power trio of the 90s! > > So they're basically an anachronism then? Yes, in the same way that Wayne Kramer is. :)) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Monster Magnet, _Powertrip_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jul 29 14:02:38 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:02:38 +0000 Subject: OFF: Brain Surgeons make L.A. Commie rag top 10!! Message-ID: On ons 29 jul 1998 07.19 -0700 "BREVARD, Adrian R." wrote: > Shonnen Knife (forgot this one too) (tape) Ah, I liked their "breakthrough" US CD quite well. Saw them live on that tour and they rocked. No lie! I've another CD of theirs as well which isn't as good, but _is_ autographed :) so I hung on to it anyway. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jul 29 14:04:56 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:04:56 +0000 Subject: OFF: Better popular bands?? Message-ID: On ons 29 jul 1998 09.30 +0000 "Ted Jackson jr. s2h2" wrote: > And, Bevis Frond is essentially a solo gig, isn't it, or are the > rhythm guys permanent members? Isn't the bassist a HW-alum? The last album or so have been all solo, but the same guys (including ex-HW Ade Shaw on bass) have been touring with him for a bit longer which is why I consider the Frond power trio-ish (live, at least!). -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Jul 29 13:05:01 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:05:01 -0400 Subject: OFF: Queens of the Stone Age/Kyuss In-Reply-To: <797470.3110710710@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Jul 1998, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Those interested in checking them out can find mp3 files > of the Queens of the Stone Age (Josh Homme, Ben Shepherd, et al.) > at the following site for the remainder of today anyway. > > http://tridox.cfug.org/queens/ I downloaded these, and am listening to it now, in fact. One question: what is this? It obviously sounds like a live gig. Did someone "beat the boots" and convert a CD bootleg to MP3s? Do you know where I can get a track listing?? > There are QotSA covers of Kyuss's "Green Machine" and > "Thumb". I've not heard them, since my aging computer doesn't > do mp3's :/ but I expect they're worth a listen! Hey, if my DEC 3000/500 Alpha AXP can do MP3s (albeit through a mono baseboard audio device), then *anyone's* computer can!... ;-) Cheers, Paul. obGig: Monster Magnet, Scooch's, Roanoke, 28th July, 1998 e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jul 29 14:15:17 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:15:17 +0000 Subject: OFF: Queens of the Stone Age/Kyuss Message-ID: On ons 29 jul 1998 13.05 -0400 "Paul Mather" wrote: >> http://tridox.cfug.org/queens/ > > I downloaded these, and am listening to it now, in fact. One question: > what is this? It obviously sounds like a live gig. Did someone "beat > the boots" and convert a CD bootleg to MP3s? Do you know where I can > get a track listing?? Something like that--the URL for the files was announced earlier today on the "stonerrock-list" :) Damned if I know what the tracks are--they weren't listed in the original announcement either. >> There are QotSA covers of Kyuss's "Green Machine" and >> "Thumb". I've not heard them, since my aging computer doesn't >> do mp3's :/ but I expect they're worth a listen! > > Hey, if my DEC 3000/500 Alpha AXP can do MP3s (albeit through a mono > baseboard audio device), then *anyone's* computer can!... ;-) Well, I _can_ convert mp3's to Quicktime, but it takes a long time and they are _huge_. I need either an FPU or better still a PowerPC chip! :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Wed Jul 29 13:11:53 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:11:53 +0100 Subject: OFF: Better popular bands?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > > Gov't Mule are *THE* power trio of the 90s! > > > > So they're basically an anachronism then? > > Yes, in the same way that Wayne Kramer is. > > :)) > Touch?!!!! :) (I could debate it, but it just comes down to taste really, and personal notions of what's "relevant" and what's not...) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Jul 28 14:32:00 1998 From: mmje at MMJE.DEMON.CO.UK (Mark Edmonds) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 19:32:00 +0100 Subject: OFF: Lemmy Help... In-Reply-To: <199807280814.EAA09097@junior.srt.net> Message-ID: In article <199807280814.EAA09097 at junior.srt.net>, writes >> > Ace Of Spades is the usual choice for starters, although I prefer Overkill >> > and if you prefer Brian Robertson playing guitar - Another Perfect Day. >> > No Remorse is the best compilation and to harp on about Robbo, if you ever >> > see a live album called Live 1983 buy it. >> >> Zeit > >Live 1983? Is that a bootleg, import or what? Never heard of it. I've seen this a few times but _not_ recently. I think some label released 3 MH CDs in a box and this was one of them - definitely not a boot. In the UK, the King Biscuit Hour CD has just been released (the APD line up) so maybe this is the same thing? -- Mark Edmonds From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Jul 29 15:15:17 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:15:17 -0400 Subject: OFF: Monster Magnet @ Scooch's, Roanoke, 7/28/98 (long) Message-ID: Last night I had the pleasure of spending my birthday in the company of Monster Magnet at Scooch's, Roanoke. (Thanks, once again, to Capt. Cloud for bringing the tour to my attention!) They played a blinder! The setlist (as torn from stage left by yours truly at the end of the show) was: Atomic Clock Snakedance Powertrip Nod Scene Dopes Crop Circle Zodiac Lung Bummer Negasonic Space Lord ============ Tractor Kick Out The Jams The show was organised by local station WROV 96.3FM, who, I may say, quite possibly atoned for their LIVESTOCK '98 debacle by putting on this show. (Since only country & western, gospel, and bluegrass music ever seem to come to this area, we need folks like WROV to bring rock & metal here. Let's hope they continue to bring acts like Monster Magnet into the area!) There were two support acts: Second Coming and Far. I missed the first one, who may have been a local support band. Far, I think, are the tour support. Far didn't impress me, though I give them an A for effort. They riffed a lot, though no soloing to speak of. Plenty of melancholy and angst. Maybe it's refreshing that I can't think of a band to liken them to. Or maybe thats just my lack of familiarity with their "genre" showing through... When Far had finished, the stage was cleared for Monster Magnet. I have to say, there's something intrinsically pleasing to the eye to see a stage crammed with towering Marshall stacks, and framed with a PA that rises from floor to ceiling. Certainly, Monster Magnet did not lack for gear. I even spotted one of the fabled "Orange" amps atop one stack. They assumed the stage at about 10:45pm, by my watch. Though there hadn't been much of a crowd for Far, the place had really filled up by now, and the crowd were fairly pumped. The Monster Magnet tour page lists Scooch's capacity at 400, and I'd have to estimate it was pretty full (though I'm terrible at guestimating such things). Suffice to say, the turnout was a pleasing sign, and hopefully one to indicate there is indeed a market for this stuff in SW Virginia! I have to say that Dave Wyndorf doesn't look nearly as menacing in real life than he does in his album photos. Of course, he was dressing the part: all in black, bare chest, big German iron cross on his back. Ed Mundell's (lead guitar) leather trousers looked the part, too. Ten out of ten for sartorial elegance, so far. They ripped into "Atomic Clock" and proceeded to tear up the place from there on. Dave Wyndorf is a great asset as a frontman, having great presence and showmanship. I do think it is rather scripted and affected, though (at least to someone sober, such as I was:). For example, the guitar feedback freakout scene in "Nod Scene" had Dave "smashing" his guitar against the stage, to writhe tortured sounds from it (which I think actually came via a backing tape over the PA), but you could see he wasn't at all putting his back into it. ;-) Similarly, he was goading an over-enthusiastic "lady" in the audience, but, when later, she actually did flash her tits, he kind of backed off, and didn't encourage it further. (Speaking of over-enthusiastic "ladies," pity poor Ed Mundell who had one keep grabbing for his crotch whenever he ventured forth to use his wah-wah pedal.) The pyrotechnics literally appeared later in the set, during "Bummer," when a prop beat-up guitar was brought on, dripping in lighter fluid, and Dave did his best "Jimi Plays Monterey" impression and set it on fire and generally theatrically bashed it about. The crowd loved it. (Later, outside, I heard Ed Mundell say they also have a bit where they pour butane in a cymbal and set it alight, and bash the sucker to send flames all over, "but we need a nice high ceiling for that one...") Monster Magnet are nothing if not good showmen, and crowd pleasers. The sound was excellent, IMHO, and very heavy. I was right up front, stage left, directly in front of Joe Calandra (bass) for most of the set. (Joe beats Dave hands down for the "out of it" look, topped off nicely with a devilish gleam in his eyes, making it seem he's in another world entirely.:) Highlights, for me, were, most definitely "Nod Scene" (my fave from _Spine of God_), and "Bummer." (I shouted a couple of times for "Brainstorm," to no avail.:) "Zodiac Lung" was really cool, with Dave introducing it as a failed love song, and singing it wielding a halogen light with the stage shrouded in smoke. I liked the way they ranged over all their output, though I realised later they totally omitted anything from _Superjudge_, which is surprising, since I'm sure "Cyclops Revolution," "Superjudge," or "Face Down" would've meshed perfectly with the rest of the set. The encore inclusion of "Kick Out The Jams" was refreshing, although I wish they would give something like "Master of the Universe" a workout (would fit nicely with the powertrip theme, too:)... I was pleasantly surprised with the number of people who appeared familiar with the material (e.g. singing along with "Zodiac Lung"). "Space Lord" was the big singalong track of the evening. Someone on irock lamented the fact that Dave doesn't sing "Space Lord Mother Fucker" on the _Powertrip_ album, although the track screams out for this. Well, that person will be pleased to hear that the track was actually introduced as "Space Lord Mother Fucker," and sung that way by band and crowd alike. (Also, at the merchandise table, they were selling t-shirts, one of which had a Monster Magnet logo on the front and "Space Lord Mother Fucker" (written vertically) on the back.) Afterwards, as I was leaving to go to the car, I passed Dave Wyndorf on his way to the tour bus, and congratulated him on a great show. I then ran into Ed Mundell, who was chatting with some fans. When he saw my t-shirt (Hawkwind, "Doremi" shield logo), he said, "hey, great shirt, man." I thanked him, and, again, congratulated him on a great show. "Hey, you played 'Bummer'. . . 'Time We Left...'," I enthused. He looked a little puzzled, but then twigged. "Oh, yeah. Well, I guess they are a little similar," he laughed. "Yeah, just a little bit," I smiled. "But we change it around some after the start," he added, which is true: it does diverge from the Hawkwind classic a fair bit (even if it does retain that unmistakable riff!). I have to say those Monster Magnet fellows are nice and friendly. Not at all what their menacing album photos would suggest. :-) It's nice to see a band taking time to talk with the fans. If I hadn't just been powertripped by the show (and had a pen:), I might have had the presence of mind to ask to have my setlist signed or something. Oh well, a handshake and a kind word is just as good in my book. And so it was I left a powertripped Roanoke, a little after 12:15am, and drove home much the merrier for the experience. I can't think of a nicer way to spend ones birthday. A grand time was had by all! Go see this band if you can. You will like them. As Dave says, "it's an investment in your future." ;-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Monster Magnet, _Spine of God_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Jul 29 15:54:08 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 20:54:08 +0100 Subject: OFF: Better popular bands?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 12:43 29/07/98 -0400, Paul wrote: >On Wed, 29 Jul 1998, Andy Gilham wrote: > >> > Gov't Mule are *THE* power trio of the 90s! >> >> So they're basically an anachronism then? > >Yes, in the same way that Wayne Kramer is. > >:)) > Definitely fighting talk...come on Andy, up'n'at 'em ChrisW ObFavouriteFarrenBook:Song of Phaid Free your mind & watch your ass! From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Jul 29 15:51:29 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 20:51:29 +0100 Subject: OFF: Brain Surgeons make L.A. Commie rag top 10!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 07:19 29/07/98 -0700, you wrote: >>Okay, okay...mine's "Jonathan Livingston Seagull" by Neil Diamond. There. I >said it. Anyone else wanna offer up a confession? > >Ah never be ashamed to own some Neil Diamond, he's quite good. > After all, he did write "I'm A Believer", and if The Monkees are TOO uncool (despite Mike Nesmith), you can always go for Robert Wyatt's version! Which makes me wonder, how come none of you psychefreakadelicans never seem to mention early Soft Machine around these parts? ChrisW obCD: Eat Static/Science of the Gods Free your mind & watch your ass! From mordru at FLITE.NET Wed Jul 29 16:18:22 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:18:22 -0400 Subject: tape swap Message-ID: >regarding the stolen boc-l tape.... > Well, actually, some good news on this case. It seems the same thieves struck again, in the same place where I parked my car. Someone saw them, and tried to follow them. They started dumping stuff overboard to discourage pursuit, including stuff belonging to the guy chasing them (I was in the park at the time but didn't realize what was happening). When we came over, we found that one item tossed overboard was that boc-l tape, which I will now send on to the next person once I find what I did with the next address. This tactic proved successful, as the pursuer stopped to get his stuff. Sadly, they did not toss any of my other stuff out the window. So I guess the stuff you sent is not popular amongst criminals, whereas they like my BOC and Hawkwind stuff. And he took the stars in his hands and as he scattered them he'd shout: "I'm the Joker of the Universe! I'm What it's all about!" - "The Great Sun Jester" by Blue ?yster Cult (Eric Bloom, Michael Moorcock) -AAA From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Wed Jul 29 15:56:43 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 20:56:43 +0100 Subject: OFF: Better popular bands?? In-Reply-To: <000e01bdbb13$fba66240$443f63c3@default> Message-ID: At 18:11 29/07/98 +0100, you wrote: >> > > Gov't Mule are *THE* power trio of the 90s! >> > >> > So they're basically an anachronism then? >> >> Yes, in the same way that Wayne Kramer is. >> >> :)) >> > >Touch?!!!! > >:) > >(I could debate it, but it just comes down to taste really, and personal >notions of what's "relevant" and what's not...) > >- Andy > >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > Damn' list-lag: does anybody get these missives in anything like a sensible order? ChrisW Free your mind & watch your ass! From Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU Wed Jul 29 16:54:42 1998 From: Doug.Bates at TUCCSTER.TUCC.UAB.EDU (Doug Bates) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:54:42 -0500 Subject: OFF:(life is)Not fair Message-ID: Thanks for the reply Keith. > Condensed to soundbite form... "Stay tuned for more on this edition > of Hard Copy." > > "I was actually very disappointed with Strange Daze" > Not sure what he means here, the crowd was small but very appreciative of his Friday show and the "unplugged" set Saturday. I suspect his treatment by people other than the fans turned him off. > "I had busted two toes" > Ever see a one-legged man at ass kicking contest? And win no less! > "Friday night which was great" > It really was, maybe too good! :-) > "he said, 'Oh, do they?'" > "if he can play in tune" > During the show Dave said something like - Mr Turner will be out later if he can play his sax in tune. > "you don't know the other songs" > I'm guessing this is what Dave said when Nik really wanted to play another song. I couldn't quite hear what Dave said but a clearly dejected Nik said "very well I guess I'm off then". > "oh, f*ck off, I don't wanna play any of that sh*t" > Maybe Nik said, hey Dave lets do something off Warrior or Space Ritual. :-)))))))) > "they are only here to see us" > ooooooooooo, true statement though. > >Its sad Nik will not be at SD this year. Anyone going anyway? > I assume this is a joke?! :) > Yes it was! I've been a little mean spirited lately since I'm trying to quit smoking, can you tell? ;-) > and I do expect that HW's set will be the highlight of the three days. > I think thats the idea (opps its those cigs again :) Here is a bit of irony: Festivals ========= The spirit once lived In all of our hearts, A spirit of freedom, Dance, music and Arts. We gave what we could, But they wanted more. We came in peace, But left in war. A society infiltrated from the inside, Government instigators? Nowhere to hide. We have allowed it to happen, It is so very sad, Everyone is guilty, Though not everyone is bad. Those carefree days of summers past At the time seemed too good to last. But I thought that it would be destroyed, >From the outside... not from within, By the closed minded fascists, Not by our own "Kith and Kin". Things may not be so bad, with the talk of a reunion tour and all. Doug Bates From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Jul 29 18:18:01 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 22:18:01 +0000 Subject: OFF: Brain Surgeons make L.A. Commie rag top 10!! Message-ID: On ons 29 jul 1998 20.51 +0100 "Chris Warburton" wrote: > After all, he did write "I'm A Believer", and if The Monkees are TOO uncool > (despite Mike Nesmith), you can always go for Robert Wyatt's version! The Monkees rule! (especially Mike Nesmith, whose solo stuff is particularly fab) I've got the whole back catalog on vinyl :) barring a few rarities albums which I'll pick up when I replace the lot on CD :) However, they can't possibly be embarrassingly uncool, since the hyper-cool Trouble covered "Porpoise Song", thus permanently branding the Prefab Four as where-it's-at :) Cheers, Carl ObCD: Kingston Wall, _II_ -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Wed Jul 29 17:15:54 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:15:54 -0400 Subject: HW: MP3s of _Kings of Speed, Lords of Light_ bootleg CD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 25 Jul 1998, Andreas wrote: > there is less tape hissing on it. Brian Tawn thinks that this CD was > released by the band themselves like they did with the vinyl version > of Undisclosed files, which was done because they can get more money > from a bootleg release than to put it out officially. Anyway, I paid > 40 Deutschmarks for a CD that I recorded ! My copy has "Made in the UK" and "A Golden Void Production" printed on the CD. Also, near the centre, it has, "Produced in Space by The Trio --- This One's for Robert." So who are "The Trio?" Cheers, Paul. obCD: Spiritual Beggars, _Mantra III_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From squinn at PALMNET.NET Wed Jul 29 19:45:46 1998 From: squinn at PALMNET.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 19:45:46 -0400 Subject: BOC: Superhits, hello FAQMAN Message-ID: John A Swartz wrote: > > >Since you have the disc > in hand, tell me, is that Bruce Dikinson (sp) of Iron Maiden fame who is > credited as the compilation producer/coordinator? > > I don't know, but I doubt it. There was nothing to suggest in the liner > notes that it was (no notes like "BOC influenced everbody from fIREHOSE > to Iron Maiden"). I've never heard of any association between the 2 > bands (other than after BOC, Iron Maiden was probably my personal favorit > band in the early/mid 80s) > > John Huh ! Iron Maiden was a fav of mine during that same time frame - Power Slave was awsome - although my Killers ranks as number 1 for me. I saw them a number of times as well. Shawn From henderson.120 at OSU.EDU Wed Jul 29 23:21:57 1998 From: henderson.120 at OSU.EDU (Keith Henderson) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 23:21:57 -0400 Subject: HW/OFF: Bay Area gig Message-ID: Hi Folks... I saw this on the 'isi' krautrock list. Do we have any Bay Area boc-lers?? I'd certainly imagine so. I can vouch for mushroom being a cool krautrocky band...never heard of Beyond-o-matic, but sounds like something to check out perhaps. Keith H. (FAA) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ Bay Area Readers take note: Back on stage for the first time since their show with Kevin Ayers: Mushroom will be playing next Wednesday August 5th at the Cafe Du Nord on Market street in San Francisco. for those who have not yet seen Mushroom, let me say that if you like Can, Embyro, Faust, Xhol Caravan, I am sure you will like Mushroom. Also on the bill is Beyond O Matic, they just might be San Francisco's answer to early Hawkwind. From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Jul 30 02:24:16 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 07:24:16 +0100 Subject: OFF: Lemmy Help... Message-ID: > Live 1983? Is that a bootleg, import or what? Never heard of it. I'm not entirely sure. I'm sitting looking at it, and it's on Street Link records , released in 1991. It claims to be licensed from Castle Communications which is fair enough, as they bought all the Bronze back catalogue when they went bust. So it looks legitimate. But this is the only copy I've ever seen and I bought it in a street market in London. It was recorded at Sheffield University on 9 June 1983, has 16 tracks and is a marvellous reminder of that brief, shining moment when Robbo was on top form. That was one of 3 gigs I saw Robbo/MH and that night he was on form. It's 90% Another Perfect Day/Iron Fist material, when Lemmy was trying to move on from the Fast Eddie days. Unfortunately, MH fans didn't take kindly to the 'new' sound, and commercially MH never recovered. Robbo was last spotted on a Frankie Millers last tour, before Frankies demise and a Thin Lizzy reunion. Still waiting for the ambient album ala Wurzel. Zeit -- ================================================================= ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 =========================================================================== From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Jul 30 02:51:23 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 07:51:23 +0100 Subject: OOF: CDs WHICH QUESTION OUR WITS Message-ID: Well, as anyone who ever reads some of my posts will know, I am a HUGE country/southern rock fan. So there's Wet Willie, Marshall Tucker, Stillwater, Bobby Whitlock, every permutation of Allman, Charlie Daniels and the sublime Poco etc etc etc. But there's a fair possibility that it's my large hiphop collection that would jar most with this list. Just looking to my right I can see Funkdoobiest, Fun-da-mental, Ices Cube & T, House of Pain, Hoodratz, Heavy D, Kool Moe Dee and King Sun. But maybe I'm wrong. To my left, it's Rick James, Terence Trent D'Arby, Freak Power, Al Green, The inspirational Isley Brothers, The Kinsey Report and Mr Albert King. But in a box under the stairs lies the grim eighties legacy of being in a poodle haired rock band. Yes, I have records by Poison, Ratt, Motley Crue, Cold Sweat, Bang Tango and CInderella. Mind you, I've still got a soft spot for the Electric Boys. Zeit obCDS - Charlies Angels - It's Never Gonna Happen To Me i strive to uphold my credibility but i have a soft spot for country-rock legends, poco. "good feelin' to know", anyone? they had great harmonies and for southern california, '70s soft-rock, they can't be beat! plus, they were the first country-rock band, along with byrds mid-period, graham parsons stuff, and the eagles stole two poco bassists! recommended: the very best of POCO. cheerio! wits a-drifting, oe3 -- ================================================================= ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 =========================================================================== From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Jul 30 03:00:02 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:00:02 +0100 Subject: OFF: Better popular bands?? Message-ID: > It's Warren Haynes and Allen Woody, both late of the Allmans, who > habe been replaced by Jack Pearson and Oteil Burbridge. Govt Mule is > now their main thing. The Allmans are on a massive US tour through > till the end of September and Gregg is apparently on top form. If > anyone wants to know if they're coming to town, just ring the Allman > Brothers Band hotlie on 912-742-2888. My Govt Mule is on order, so I'll make no comment, but I hope it's better than Warrens solo, "Fire In The Kitchen". Zeit > > > Tell me...is Warren Haynes, late of Allman Bros., in this band? If > so, what's his status with the Allmans? I know they're on tour this > summer. Is Mule a side project for Haynes? What's the deal? > > -- Nick -- ================================================================= ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 =========================================================================== From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Jul 30 03:09:18 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:09:18 +0100 Subject: OFF: Better popular bands?? Message-ID: Well, he appeared at the Zambiland Orchestra shindig, which was recorded for release. Don't know when. But recently his main thing is Jazz Is Dead., which as the name suggests is a jazz tribute to the Grateful Dead. They've played all over the US and last I heard consisted of; Jimmy Herring, T Lavitz[ex Dixie Dregs], Alphonso Johnson [ex Weather Report/Santana], and the legendary Billy Cobham. He's also in Frogwings, a seven piece put together by Uncle Butch Trucks and Derek Trucks. Oteil Burbridge from the Allmans is also on board and apparently they're doing a jazz/blues/funk thing up and down the US East Coast. Zeit Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Alas, I gather Jimmy Herring (an excellent guitar player > and an _extremely_ nice guy) is without a fixed gig these days. > Anyone know what he has been up to? -- ================================================================= ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 =========================================================================== From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Jul 29 13:00:10 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:00:10 +0100 Subject: OFF: Better popular bands?? In-Reply-To: <199807282254.SAA26210@mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: In article <199807282254.SAA26210 at mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu>, Keith Henderson writes >Spiritualized (as mentioned before) are fantastic. -- Jon From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jul 30 06:32:00 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:32:00 +0000 Subject: OFF: Better popular bands?? Message-ID: On tor 30 jul 1998 08.00 +0100 "Stuart A Hamilton" wrote: > My Govt Mule is on order, so I'll make no comment, but I hope it's > better than Warrens solo, "Fire In The Kitchen". *MUCH*. There were a couple of decent tracks off Warren's solo album (_Tales of Ordinary Madness_? "Fire in the Kitchen" was the single, I think, and far and away the catchiest tune), and the show I saw on the tour was good, but Gov't Mule is so far beyond this that I just can't compare them ... _Live at Roseland Ballroom_ easily walks onto my top 10 albums of the 90s list and if I were organized enough to think about would have a very good chance of appearing on my top 10 albums list, period. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jul 30 06:43:26 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:43:26 +0000 Subject: OFF: the mighty Kingston Wall (Was OFF: Better popular bands??) Message-ID: When mentioning power trios of the 90s, how could I have failed to mention with the highest possible praise the mighty, the sublime, the ineffable Kingston Wall?! Some Hendrix, some Zep, a touch of Beatles and some Steve Hillage for good measure--and top notch original songs. If ever a band deserved massive success and missed it, it is this one. A good candidate for most under-rated band ever! Run, do not walk, to the nearest CD importer and demand all three double-disc remasters of their three albums (on Trinity, from Finland). Petri Walli, guitar god of the first order, RIP. Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM Thu Jul 30 06:42:41 1998 From: Guy.Thomas at LONDON.ENTOIL.COM (LN1GJT) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:42:41 +0000 Subject: HW: MP3s of _Kings of Speed, Lords of Light_ bootleg CD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Paul writes: >So who are "The Trio?" Obviously that well know cabaret group, The Dave Brock Trio, Brock, Davey, Chadwick, (The line-up at the time that the CD was first released !) The DB Trio were famous, back in the 50s, backing for Perry Como. They occasionally augmented Geoff Love and his Orchestra in the 60's doing compilation LPs of War Movie Themes, and music scores for famous ITV drama shows! Guy T. (Somewhere not on this planet !!) From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Thu Jul 30 06:20:31 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:20:31 +0100 Subject: HW: MP3s of _Kings of Speed, Lords of Light_ bootleg CD In-Reply-To: <1941421030071998/A02217/LNMV02/11C7F2AA2800*@MHS> Message-ID: > >So who are "The Trio?" > > Obviously that well know cabaret group, The Dave Brock Trio, > Brock, Davey, > Chadwick, (The line-up at the time that the CD was first released !) > But were they a "power" trio? :) - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Jul 30 07:58:30 1998 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 07:58:30 -0400 Subject: OFF: CDs which question our wits Message-ID: >> Besides, we all probably have some favorite band or album (Club Ninja >> > anyone? just kidding...) that would cause the rest of us to question >> > our wits... >Henry Mancini - Greatest Hits What?!!! Mancini is great. I have The Best of Mancini and my only complaint is there's just not enough of it. I'm ready for the Mancini box set myself! From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jul 30 08:17:25 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:17:25 -0400 Subject: BOC: Superhits, hello FAQMAN Message-ID: >Huh ! Iron Maiden was a fav of mine during that same time frame - Power Slave was awsome - although my Killers ranks as number 1 for me. I saw them a number of times as well. Saw Maiden 4 times. Favorite album was Piece of Mind (first concert tour I saw them was for that album too). Steve Harris was a great inspiration to my bass playing, although I couldn't imitate his style very well. John From mordru at FLITE.NET Thu Jul 30 08:30:24 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:30:24 -0400 Subject: OFF: CDs which question our wits Message-ID: > Besides, we all probably have some favorite band or album (Club Ninja > anyone? just kidding...) that would cause the rest of us to question > our wits... probably true. Stashed somewhere I have some John Denver discs... Being half-Panamanian, I have some Reuben Blades records also, along with a smattering of "love songs" type ballads from people like Luis Miguel. Mainly get used when the right company is over... The Menudo records at the far end of the lp stash are not mine, they belonged to my sister who left them there. And at the far end of the scale I have several tapes of sea shanties (Simon Spalding, et al.)... And he took the stars in his hands and as he scattered them he'd shout: "I'm the Joker of the Universe! I'm What it's all about!" - "The Great Sun Jester" by Blue ?yster Cult (Eric Bloom, Michael Moorcock) -AAA From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jul 30 08:38:05 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:38:05 -0400 Subject: OFF: CDs which question our wits Message-ID: >What?!!! Mancini is great. Yeah, but a little out of the BOC vein, so I put it down. My list wasn't meant to be of necessarily "bad" artists (although one can probably argue about several of my selections), but stuff that's "different" than the artists regularly discussed here. I'm particularly partial to the theme from "The Pink Panther" movies... John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jul 30 09:51:43 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 09:51:43 EDT Subject: OFF: CDs which question our wits In-Reply-To: <199807301238.IAA22999@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > >What?!!! Mancini is great. > > Yeah, but a little out of the BOC vein, so I put it down. My list > wasn't meant to be of necessarily "bad" artists (although one can > probably argue about several of my selections), but stuff that's > "different" than the artists regularly discussed here. > > I'm particularly partial to the theme from "The Pink Panther" movies... > > John Well, my signature live song is 'Peter Gunn.' We use it for a set ender. It's my all-time favorite song to play... ******************************* theo "...Power in the hands of fools..." From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Jul 30 09:57:06 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:57:06 +0100 Subject: OFF: Better popular bands?? In-Reply-To: <199807282254.SAA26210@mail2.uts.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: At 18:54 28/07/98 -0400, Keith Henderson wrote: >Folks here and on PT-trans indicated that they had grown fantastically >since, and to try out the newest, OK Computer. > >there is one thing about this band that makes it impossible for me to >recommend....the singer just plain sucks. His voice is awful, and he sings >in a whiny style that reminds me of the projected ghouls in (the original) >Star Trek episode 'Catspaw.' > >So anyway, there are more names that I see pop up from time to time in >newsgroups and various mailing lists. By no means am I against supporting a >popular band (I'm all for Monster Magnet, etc. making a name for themselves >in pop culture), so are any of these artists *really* any damn good, and in >what way... > >Spiritualized (as mentioned before) >The Verve (or is it Verve Pipe?? why do I see it both ways??) >Gov't Mule >Perfume Tree (I'm not sure if they're well known or not??) Radiohead don't do it for me, either. Nor do the Verve's last two singles ("The Drugs Don't Work", and "BitterSweet Symphony"). Spiritualised are a completely different kettle of fish -- "Ladies and Gentlemen..." is magnificent. It's the best rock album I've heard for several years. The singer? He's kind of flat (flat in tone, I mean, not out of tune); in a weird way he reminds me of Nico. But then, large parts of this album scream "Velvet Underground" to me, if you can imagine an "indie" version of the Velvets. Or "indie" space-rock... with elements of gospel, minimalism (especially Michael Nyman), and various other influences. The music reminds me of Hawkwind in that it's fairly simple, but wonderfully multi-layered, spacey and non-generic. The mood is downbeat; it's mainly about how being dumped hurts, and it manages to convey that misery pretty effectively. It's one of those albums where the emotion is wrung out of you, even as you enjoy the experience. Dave. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From micci at SCI.FI Thu Jul 30 10:03:21 1998 From: micci at SCI.FI (Miikka Wagner) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 17:03:21 +0300 Subject: off:jönköping Message-ID: Hi! This message is to boc-l finnish members. Tervehdys. Mik?li olet stadin seutuvilta ja l?hd?ss? spacerock festareille ruotsiin, niin voin j?rjest?? kyydin Dark Sun:in keikka bussissa. Ota yhteytt?, mik?li olet kiinnostunut. Miikka Wagner email: micci at sci.fi http://www.sci.fi/~micci From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jul 30 11:56:40 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:56:40 +0000 Subject: OFF: CDs which question our wits Message-ID: On tor 30 jul 1998 09.51 +0000 "Ted Jackson jr. s2h2" wrote: > Well, my signature live song is 'Peter Gunn.' We use it for a set > ender. It's my all-time favorite song to play... :) My first year at Cambridge, the guy living upstairs and his girlfriend used to have loud, extrordinarily rhythmic sex. Now, that's all very well, but it made a hell of a racket! I used to crank up my amp and play the "Peter Gunn" theme on the bass in time with 'em :) They settled after a while ... ;) Cheers,, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Jul 30 07:06:19 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:06:19 +0000 Subject: shameless appreciation Message-ID: > Nick English red-facedly admitted: > > Okay, okay...mine's "Jonathan Livingston Seagull" by Neil Diamond. > > There. I said it. Anyone else wanna offer up a confession? > > > > I'll even throw in a bonus: Pat Boone's "No More Mister Nice Guy: In > > a Metal Mood". > > You don't need an excuse for either of these, they are both great > Crazy Train really kicks some ass! Geez, thanks for all your support, people! This list is like AA...no matter what you say, no matter what you own up to, there's at least one other person who knows where you're comin' from and feels your pain. I love you guys!!! BTW, has anyone seen those new print ads for cell phones (I'll be damned if I can remember who it is, but it's somebody big like Sony)? The slogan is "If only they could talk" or "If only they would talk", and there's a picture of two people, how shall we say, at odds. One of the ads features Alice Cooper and Pat Boone. Which I guess is kind of shocking to the general public, but in reality these guys have actually become pretty good friends, and their friendship helped give Pat the inspiration for his "metal" album. -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Jul 30 07:06:19 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:06:19 +0000 Subject: OFF: Better popular bands?? Message-ID: > >> Gov't Mule are *THE* power trio of the 90s! > > > > So they're basically an anachronism then? > > :)) > > Perhaps :) But a *damn* good one! > > (Of course, we good argue that Kyuss and the Spiritual > Beggars are also effectively 90s power trios, but we could > also argue that they too are anachronisms :) Probably the > same for Bevis Frond :) I think Clutch is a three-piece as > well, but I've still not found the new album). MOTORHEAD!!!!! From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Thu Jul 30 11:14:02 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:14:02 -0400 Subject: BOC: Last Days of May *band* Message-ID: Ran across this while searching for Billy Duffy's new band "Colorsound". http://www.no-fi.com/lastdays/index.html Guitarist is from Dream Syndicate. Wasn't the keyboardist on Club Ninja from that band? And didn't Sandy Pearlman produce some of their albums? Brian ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html "We are drawing a moustache on the wanted poster of the face of music." -Fierce Wicker ---------- From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Thu Jul 30 07:20:32 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:20:32 +0000 Subject: OFF: CDs which question our wits Message-ID: I used to be ashamed of my KISS "Music from the Elder" album. But over the years it became more and more apparent to me -- this LP is the finest collection of songs that band's ever produced. I thought it was really cool they did "World Without Heroes" on their Unplugged/reunion show. From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Jul 30 11:19:00 1998 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:19:00 EDT Subject: OFF: MONSTER MAGNET 7/30 NYC Message-ID: Monster Magnet will be playing tonight in NYC @ Irving Plaza. Concert sold out, but scalping tickets should not be a problem. Get there early, as MM is the opening act. Doors at 7:30. regards, Bill Stewart From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Jul 30 11:27:45 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 08:27:45 -0700 Subject: BOC: Superhits, hello FAQMAN Message-ID: >I don't know, but I doubt it. There was nothing to suggest in the liner notes that it was (no notes like "BOC influenced everbody from fIREHOSE to Iron Maiden"). I've never heard of any association between the 2 bands (other than after BOC, Iron Maiden was probably my personal favorit band in the early/mid 80s) John Hmmm...this reference to the compilation producer is pretty prominent on the back of the disc which I found somehwat unusual. I would think that generally people would not care. A real mystery... ...not as mysterious as Iron Maiden being your second fave in the 70/80's. I don't know much about Maiden other than their rep for heavy, heavy metal (and their album covers which always amaze me). Still I cannot picture you as a "Bill and Ted" type 8>). You continue to amaze with your diversity... >Yeah, my point was really not against Alive, or even Alive II (although it's nowhere near as good - but does capture KISS in 1977 pretty acurately), but the fact that I didn't know to quit when I was ahead (and got Alive III - actually, it sounds o.k., but the coolest stuff on there is their old material). Howls I understand completely. Fortunately for me, the album that followed Destroyer (Love Gun, I guess) was enough to convince me to stop wasting dollars on KISS. Hasn't most of their early stuff been re-mastered ala Rush? I'd love a re-master version of Alive I. Special Note* Don't know if there are any Dream Theater fans on this list but DT will have a live double CD out in September. Spans music from each of their albums. Nice looking set list. DT will be opening (alternating with ELP) for Deep Purple. L8er Ghost in the Ruins OB BOC Song that may sound good on another band - Joan Crawford covered by Savatage. The Mountain King can play Alan's Keys easily and a gruff, screaming banshee version of Eric's lyrics would sound good on Sav. From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Jul 30 11:35:08 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:35:08 -0500 Subject: OFF: Where B da funk? Message-ID: >But there's a fair possibility that it's my large hiphop collection that would jar most with this list. Just looking to my right I can see Funkdoobiest, Fun-da-mental, Ices Cube & T, House of Pain, Hoodratz, Heavy D, Kool Moe Dee and King Sun. Huh? >But maybe I'm wrong. To my left, it's Rick James, Terence Trent D'Arby, Freak Power, Al Green, The inspirational Isley Brothers, The Kinsey Report and Mr Albert King. I like this section of the collection better than the first. Isley's Rule or at least they used too. >But in a box under the stairs lies the grim eighties legacy of being in a poodle haired rock band. Yes, I have records by Poison, Ratt, Motley Crue, Cold Sweat, Bang Tango and CInderella. Everybody got some 8>) >Zeit What about the Funk collection? Any classic Cameo, Parliment, Slave, Bootsy etc.etc.,? Just curious.... Ghost in the Ruins "Remember amigos, PBS sucks becuase its free!" - Johnny Bluejeans From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Thu Jul 30 12:22:43 1998 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:22:43 -0400 Subject: BOC: Superhits, hello FAQMAN Message-ID: >> in hand, tell me, is that Bruce Dikinson (sp) of Iron Maiden fame who is >> credited as the compilation producer/coordinator? Uh... that's Bruce Dickenson of Chrysalis Records fame or non-fame is more like it. To his credit he is a big BOC fan but I went to see him when he was at Chrysalis with what would eventually become the Brain Surgeons songs on Eponymous and he couldn't hear it. He signed some groups but every one of them went nowhere in reverse which isn't surprising because they were all terrible. BD of Iron Maiden would do a better job I'm sure. From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Jul 30 13:34:08 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:34:08 +0100 Subject: OFF: Where B da funk? Message-ID: Well, over here I can see "Uncle Jah Wants You", "Electric Spanking Of War Babies" by Funkadelic, a couple of Bootsy 12"ers, "Real Men Wear Black" and"Word Up" by Cameo, some Ohio Players, early Earth, Wind & Fire, far too much Rick James, some George Clinton solo stuff [been playing "Hey Man...Smell My Finger" a lot]. There's also a CD of early Parliament material cunningly called "The Early Years", which is rather good. Oh, and a mini album by the P-Funk All Stars. And that's just the stuff I've played this month which hasn't been filed away! You had to ask! Zeit BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: > > > What about the Funk collection? Any classic Cameo, Parliment, Slave, > Bootsy etc.etc.,? > > Just curious.... > > Ghost in the Ruins > > "Remember amigos, PBS sucks becuase its free!" - Johnny Bluejeans -- ================================================================= ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 =========================================================================== From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Jul 30 13:20:19 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:20:19 +0100 Subject: OFF: POWER TRIOS (Was OFF: Better popular bands??) Message-ID: They've been mentioned in passing, but I've got to throw The Tea Party into the ring. My vote for most underrated band, and again a sublime mix of 70's dynamics, 90's production, classic songs and superb instrumentation. So go buy "Splendor Solis", "The Edges Of Twilight" [featuring Roy Harper!] and "Transmission". Zeit Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > When mentioning power trios of the 90s, how could I have > failed to mention with the highest possible praise the mighty, > the sublime, the ineffable Kingston Wall?! > > -- ================================================================= ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 =========================================================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE Thu Jul 30 12:52:50 1998 From: Andreas.Stuewe at T-ONLINE.DE (Andreas) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:52:50 +0200 Subject: OFF: High Tide Message-ID: Marshall Wood schrieb: > Since I've enjoyed all the Simon House stuff that I've picked up so far, I'm > thinking about buying some of the High Tide CDs. There is a single CD that > contains both _High Tide_ and _Sea Shanties_ - are these good? Does the CD > omit any songs from the original albums (I hate that!). Any other "must > have" Simon House material - I've got all the Hawkwind and Spiral Realms > CDs, plus _Yassasim_ and some of the stuff he did with Nik. There is > something called "Gulp" from '91, and one or two releases with the Third Ear > Band - are these any good? I'm aware of the work House did with David > Bowie, but I'm not much of a Bowie fan... > The first two HT are absolutely essential and they are complete versions on the CD. There are more HT albums out there but not all with SH. The better ones are "Precious Cargo" (The "third" album from 1970, but in fact some good demos) and "Interesting times" (a studio album from 1984 - I think - which is similar to the Spiral Realms stuff, only with analogue synths and vocals; the CD version from 1990 features 2 extra tracks of SH?s never released first solo album "House of dreams"). Forget TEB?s "Macbeth" album, it?s just boring. But there are some excellent Magic Muscle albums: "Laughs & thrills" (Live & raw 1972 stuff, recorded on HW?s Space ritual tour- MM were support act; feat. Adrian Shaw, but not SH), "The pipe, the roar & the grid" (studio demos from 1970 to 1973, again with AS & with SH on 3 tracks), "Living weeds from ancient seeds" (a live jam in a studio album from 1971, cassette only, with AS, no SH), "100 miles below" (Live album from 1989, very recommended, feat. SH on all tracks as well AS & Twink of the Pink Fairies" and "Gulp!"(mega-recommended live in the studio album from 1991, recorded exactly 20 years after "Living weeds...", it?s an absolutely freak-out stoned LP-or CD- featuring - hold your breath - SH, AS, Nick "Bevis Frond" Saloman, Steve Broughton of Edgar Broughton Band fame & original singer Rod Goodway). As we all know SH played with HW from 1974 to 1978, then left to join David Bowie?s band. There is the live double album "Stage" recorded in 1978, but I don?t like it that much; SH is very low in the mix. In 1981 SH is featured on one song -Talking drum- on Japan?s album "Tin drum" (Japan?s keyboarder Richard Barbieri is now with Porcupine Tree by the way). There must be more records, especially from the 1980?s, with SH as guest musician, for example on an Associates album. That?s all I know if my memory serves me right. Or is there anyone who can add something to this list ? Andreas From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jul 30 15:00:25 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:00:25 +0000 Subject: OFF: POWER TRIOS (Was OFF: Better popular bands??) Message-ID: On tor 30 jul 1998 18.20 +0100 "Stuart A Hamilton" wrote: > They've been mentioned in passing, but I've got to throw The > Tea Party into the ring. My vote for most underrated band, and > again a sublime mix of 70's dynamics, 90's production, classic > songs and superb instrumentation. > So go buy "Splendor Solis", "The Edges Of Twilight" [featuring > Roy Harper!] and "Transmission". Yes, I've only got _Splendor Solis_ but it's very good. I definitely mean to look into the others! Cheers, Carl ObCD: Kingston Wall, _III, Tri-logy_ :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Thu Jul 30 11:31:01 1998 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (Si Halley) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:31:01 +0100 Subject: shameless appreciation Message-ID: Subject: Re: shameless appreciation > > I'll even throw in a bonus: Pat Boone's "No More Mister Nice Guy: In > > a Metal Mood". >One of the ads features Alice Cooper and Pat Boone. Which I guess is kind >of shocking to the general public, but in reality these guys have >actually become pretty good friends, and their friendship helped give >Pat the inspiration for his "metal" album. Not quite. They got together as part of the advertising for the album and became friends. They appeared on some award show to present with Boone dressed in leather and studs. Alice was asked to dress like Boone but thought it would be too cheesy and declined. It`s all advertising really. They`re not close or anything. As an aside, the reason some people could find the Alice/Boone ads odd is that in the seventies, Boone slated Alice as being a bad influence (and all that crap) and said in print something like he wouldn`t let his children see such a deprived show or words to that effect. Seems to have changed his mind now. Si ----- "I`ve got 'some' answers to 'most' of your questions!" The Alice Cooper Trivia File - http://village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/intro.html My Tubes Page - http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/7998/ From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Jul 30 14:07:00 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:07:00 -0400 Subject: OFF: Better popular bands?? In-Reply-To: <35C019F1.DB6C8AC4@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Jul 1998, Stuart A Hamilton wrote: > My Govt Mule is on order, so I'll make no comment, but I hope it's > better than Warrens solo, "Fire In The Kitchen". Warren's solo (_Tales of Ordinary Madness_) is a lot softer than the Mule, believe me. (I don't have Warren's solo album, but do have a live show that kicked off the tour supporting it.) I still stand by my description of the Mule, uttered on BOC-L, in that they play with "the ferocity of a tent revival on steroids." Since you are a self-confessed Southern Rock fanatic, you're no doubt familiar with the huge contribution Haynes and Woody made towards revitalising the Allman Brothers Band. And, if you like the ABB, lay back with Mule's _Live at Roseland Ballroom_ and soak up a lovely extended version of "Trane" which ranges all over the place live, including Mahavishnu Orchestra's "Eternity's Breath", and a great jam on the Grateful Dead's "St. Stephen." BTW, which Gov't Mule album did you order? Cheers, Paul. obCD: Orange Goblin, _Frequencies From Planet Ten_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Jul 30 15:18:01 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:18:01 +0000 Subject: OFF: Better popular bands?? Message-ID: On tor 30 jul 1998 11.06 +0000 "" wrote: > MOTORHEAD!!!!! Well, of course, though I was thinking of bands which formed in the 90s rather than continuing in from previous decades (though I suppose in some sense the current three-piece Motorhead line-up is a 90s artifact :) They certainly rule, anyway :) The first time I saw tBS they were *almost* a three-piece (minus Hilfiger), but Deb played guitar on some songs :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Jul 30 14:02:45 1998 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Doug Pearson) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:02:45 -0700 Subject: BOC: Last Days of May *band* Message-ID: I've mentioned this band before, in passing ... On Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:14:02 -0400, brian halligan wrote: >Ran across this while searching for Billy Duffy's new band "Colorsound". > >http://www.no-fi.com/lastdays/index.html > >Guitarist is from Dream Syndicate. Correct, and author of "Wings of Mercury". >Wasn't the keyboardist on Club Ninja from that band? Yes, Tommy Zvoncheck played with the Dream Syndicate on their 'Medicine Show' album, and the follow-up 'Not the New Dream Syndicate ... Live!' mini-LP. Didn't he also play on Imaginos? >And didn't Sandy Pearlman produce some of their albums? The aforementioned 'Medicine Show'. I recently picked up the 'Last Days of May' CD, and it's pretty darn good. Long, expansive, instrumental guitar-scapes with some ripping leads from Mr. Percoda, as well as some nice moody, subdued parts. Doesn't really sound specifically like the Dream Syndicate (or any of Percoda's other post-D.S. bands like the Droogs) or even BOC, but it's really cool stuff. Recommended. -Doug ceres at sirius.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Jul 30 14:18:38 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:18:38 EDT Subject: OFF: Better popular bands?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: Paul Mather > > > My Govt Mule is on order, so I'll make no comment, but I hope it's > > better than Warrens solo, "Fire In The Kitchen". > > Warren's solo (_Tales of Ordinary Madness_) is a lot softer than the > Mule, believe me. (I don't have Warren's solo album, but do have a live > show that kicked off the tour supporting it.) I still stand by my > description of the Mule, uttered on BOC-L, in that they play with "the > ferocity of a tent revival on steroids." Since you are a self-confessed > Southern Rock fanatic, you're no doubt familiar with the huge > contribution Haynes and Woody made towards revitalising the Allman > Brothers Band. And, if you like the ABB, lay back with Mule's _Live at > Roseland Ballroom_ and soak up a lovely extended version of "Trane" > which ranges all over the place live, including Mahavishnu Orchestra's > "Eternity's Breath", and a great jam on the Grateful Dead's "St. > Stephen." > I agree with your appreciation of GM, but I think Warren's solo album is a truly excellent effort. Granted it's a lot mellower than GM, but it's still a rockin' album. I heard him live in a small club in support of Tales...That was one amazing show. Any idea who the road band was for that tour? As usual, nobody turned out here in morally bankrupt Syracuse, but Warren nonetheless played his ass off for nearly two hours. Also, unlike his work with ABB and GM, Warren played a Strat for almost the entire show, with the exception of a couple tunes he played slide on, then he used a LP. He opened with Just Before the Bullets fly. Is that the Gregg Allman tune, and did WH write it and play on any of GA's solo albums? ******************************* theo "...Power in the hands of fools..." From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Jul 30 14:20:00 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:20:00 -0400 Subject: OFF: the mighty Kingston Wall (Was OFF: Better popular bands??) In-Reply-To: <211955.3110784206@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Jul 1998, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Run, do not walk, to the nearest CD importer and demand > all three double-disc remasters of their three albums (on > Trinity, from Finland). Does anyone know of a good source for these three Kingston Wall remasters in the USA? Cheers, Paul. obCD: Orange Goblin, _Frequencies From Planet Ten_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Jul 30 14:24:25 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:24:25 -0400 Subject: BOC: Last Days of May *band* In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980730110245.007f6220@sirius.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Jul 1998, Doug Pearson wrote: > I recently picked up the 'Last Days of May' CD, and it's pretty darn good. > Long, expansive, instrumental guitar-scapes with some ripping leads from > Mr. Percoda, as well as some nice moody, subdued parts. Doesn't really > sound specifically like the Dream Syndicate (or any of Percoda's other > post-D.S. bands like the Droogs) or even BOC, but it's really cool stuff. > Recommended. Well, I guess that answers the question I was about to ask. I've noticed this album in my local shop for a while now, and was wondering what it sounded like, and if it was worth picking up. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Orange Goblin, _Frequencies From Planet Ten_ e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jul 30 16:11:34 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:11:34 -0400 Subject: BOC: Superhits, hello FAQMAN Message-ID: >...not as mysterious as Iron Maiden being your second fave in the 70/80's. I don't know much about Maiden other than their rep for heavy, heavy metal (and their album covers which always amaze me). Still I cannot picture you as a "Bill and Ted" type 8>). You continue to amaze with your diversity... LOL - I was the resident "metal head" in college. Maiden ruled that category in the early 80s. Other than BOC and Maiden, I listened to a fair amount of Sabbath, Aerosmith, Dio, Kiss, and (say it ain't so!) Quiet Riot. But, always came back to BOC. >Howls I understand completely. Fortunately for me, the album that followed Destroyer (Love Gun, I guess) was enough to convince me to stop wasting dollars on KISS. Hasn't most of their early stuff been re-mastered ala Rush? Rock and Roll over followed Destroyer. And yes, most of the entire catalog has been remastered (I have the Alive and Alive II re-masters - original rumor was that they would each get remastered to a single CD, but they again have 2 CDs each - but in the slimmer jewel boxes). John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Jul 30 16:27:54 1998 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:27:54 -0400 Subject: OFF: Where B da funk? Message-ID: >What about the Funk collection? Any classic Cameo, Parliment, Slave, Bootsy etc.etc.,? My "funk" collection consists of the complete works of The Infectious Grooves. John From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Thu Jul 30 16:28:32 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:28:32 +0100 Subject: OFF: CDs which question our wits In-Reply-To: <199807301238.IAA22999@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: At 08:38 30/07/98 -0400, you wrote: >>What?!!! Mancini is great. > >Yeah, but a little out of the BOC vein, so I put it down. My list >wasn't meant to be of necessarily "bad" artists (although one can >probably argue about several of my selections), but stuff that's >"different" than the artists regularly discussed here. > >I'm particularly partial to the theme from "The Pink Panther" movies... > >John I've met the guy who played the tenor sax part for most of the movie soundtracks -Tony Coe: He's a really cool guy - he was a regular at our jazz club when I was in Nottingham. ChrisW obCD:The Night Watch - King Crimson Live in Amsterdam '73 Free your mind & watch your ass! From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Thu Jul 30 16:42:21 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:42:21 +0100 Subject: OFF: CDs which question our wits In-Reply-To: <7A6BEE1692@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: At 09:51 30/07/98 EDT, you wrote: >> From: John A Swartz > >> >What?!!! Mancini is great. >> >> I'm particularly partial to the theme from "The Pink Panther" movies... >>--snip >> John > >Well, my signature live song is 'Peter Gunn.' We use it for a set >ender. It's my all-time favorite song to play... > > >******************************* > >theo The Pirates used to do a great version when they resurfaced in the punk era... Anybody know whether Mick Green recovered at all? ChrisW Free your mind & watch your ass! From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Thu Jul 30 17:36:38 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 22:36:38 +0100 Subject: OFF: Where B da funk? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 10:35 30/07/98 -0500, you wrote: >>But there's a fair possibility that it's my large hiphop >collection that would jar most with this list. Just looking >to my right I can see Funkdoobiest, Fun-da-mental, Ices Cube & T, House >of Pain, Hoodratz, Heavy D, Kool Moe Dee and King Sun. > >Huh? > I don't go for this stuff on the whole, but I have a good friend who is (he's especially fond of Public Enemy), but OTOH, he can't get his head around all of my "Celtic" stuff - Breton music is one of my big "side" interests. > >>But maybe I'm wrong. To my left, it's Rick James, Terence >Trent D'Arby, Freak Power, Al Green, The inspirational Isley >Brothers, The Kinsey Report and Mr Albert King. > Now the last four on that list I can go for, Albert King ranks as a giant! >I like this section of the collection better than the first. Isley's >Rule or at least they used too. > >>But in a box under the stairs lies the grim eighties legacy >of being in a poodle haired rock band. Yes, I have records >by Poison, Ratt, Motley Crue, Cold Sweat, Bang Tango and >CInderella. > >Everybody got some 8>) Not me I'm relieved to say, but I was almost exclusively buying jazz & blues stuff in that period. > >What about the Funk collection? Any classic Cameo, Parliment, Slave, >Bootsy etc.etc.,? > >Just curious.... > Check out Axiom Funk's Funkronomicon, it's Bill Laswell producing George & Bootsy & their pals in collision with assorted loons like Buckethead, Anton Fier, Nicky Skopelitis & Laswell himself on a bunch of classic ParliaFunkadelicment numbers and some brand new wig-outs. Add an oddball version of "If 6 Was 9", guest appearances by Sly'n'Robbie & Sly Stone. Highly recommended if you can get your head ( & your ass) round it! Cheers, ChrisW Free your mind & watch your ass! From adawson at CLARA.NET Thu Jul 30 18:23:14 1998 From: adawson at CLARA.NET (Andrew Dawson) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:23:14 +0100 Subject: OFF: High Tide In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 18:52 30/07/98 +0200, you wrote: >Marshall Wood schrieb: >> Since I've enjoyed all the Simon House stuff that I've picked up so far, I'm >> thinking about buying some of the High Tide CDs. There is a single CD that >> contains both _High Tide_ and _Sea Shanties_ - are these good? Does the CD >> omit any songs from the original albums (I hate that!). Any other "must >> have" Simon House material - I've got all the Hawkwind and Spiral Realms >> CDs, plus _Yassasim_ and some of the stuff he did with Nik. There is >> something called "Gulp" from '91, and one or two releases with the Third Ear >> Band - are these any good? I'm aware of the work House did with David >> Bowie, but I'm not much of a Bowie fan... >> Andreas replied >The first two HT are absolutely essential and they are complete versions on the >CD. There are more HT albums out there but not all with SH. The better ones are >"Precious Cargo" (The "third" album from 1970, but in fact some good demos) and >"Interesting times" (a studio album from 1984 - I think - which is similar to the >Spiral Realms stuff, only with analogue synths and vocals; the CD version from >1990 features 2 extra tracks of SH?s never released first solo album "House of >dreams"). >Forget TEB?s "Macbeth" album, it?s just boring. But there are some excellent >Magic Muscle albums: "Laughs & thrills" (Live & raw 1972 stuff, recorded on HW?s >Space ritual tour- MM were support act; feat. Adrian Shaw, but not SH), "The >pipe, the roar & the grid" (studio demos from 1970 to 1973, again with AS & with >SH on 3 tracks), "Living weeds from ancient seeds" (a live jam in a studio album >from 1971, cassette only, with AS, no SH), "100 miles below" (Live album from >1989, very recommended, feat. SH on all tracks as well AS & Twink of the Pink >Fairies" and "Gulp!"(mega-recommended live in the studio album from 1991, >recorded exactly 20 years after "Living weeds...", it?s an absolutely freak-out >stoned LP-or CD- featuring - hold your breath - SH, AS, Nick "Bevis Frond" >Saloman, Steve Broughton of Edgar Broughton Band fame & original singer Rod >Goodway). >As we all know SH played with HW from 1974 to 1978, then left to join David >Bowie?s band. There is the live double album "Stage" recorded in 1978, but I >don?t like it that much; SH is very low in the mix. >In 1981 SH is featured on one song -Talking drum- on Japan?s album "Tin drum" >(Japan?s keyboarder Richard Barbieri is now with Porcupine Tree by the way). >There must be more records, especially from the 1980?s, with SH as guest >musician, for example on an Associates album. >That?s all I know if my memory serves me right. Or is there anyone who can add >something to this list ? > >Andreas > > SH also features on these albums & tapes Denny Gerard - Sinister Morning - Deram/Nova (1969) with High Tide Jelly Monsters - Two True Believers - Acid Tapes cassette only (1987) Magic Muscle - The Pipe The Roar The Grid - 5 Hours Back (1988) with A.Shaw Rustic Hinge - Replicas - Reckless (1988) Third Ear Band - Experiences - Harvest (1976), comp with tracks from MacBeth The Tryp - My Brain Collapsed - Acid Tapes cassette only (1986) He has also played on most (if not all) of the Anubian Lights releases with Nik Turner, Alan Powell and Del Dettmar. Andy Andrew Dawson adawson at clara.net Into Hawkwind ? Then check out the Worldwide discography. http://home.clara.net/adawson From squinn at PALMNET.NET Thu Jul 30 18:36:55 1998 From: squinn at PALMNET.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:36:55 -0400 Subject: BOC: Superhits, hello FAQMAN Message-ID: > LOL - I was the resident "metal head" in college. Maiden ruled that > category in the early 80s. Other than BOC and Maiden, I listened to > a fair amount of Sabbath, Aerosmith, Dio, Kiss, and (say it ain't so!) > Quiet Riot. But, always came back to BOC. ....Saw Dio as well-Holy Diver/Last in Line. And I too was the resisdent metal metal head in the resident hall...Shawn From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Thu Jul 30 23:02:57 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:02:57 -0400 Subject: OFF: Warren Haynes In-Reply-To: <7EDF040972@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Jul 1998, Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 wrote: > I agree with your appreciation of GM, but I think Warren's solo album > is a truly excellent effort. Granted it's a lot mellower than GM, > but it's still a rockin' album. I wasn't trashing _Tales..._ by any means, just pointing out that it was softer, and a very different kettle of fish to the Mule. In fact, the 4/27/93 set I have is rather delicious, with some great playing from Warren. But it's not Mule. > I heard him live in a small club in support of Tales...That was one > amazing show. Any idea who the road band was for that tour? On the 4/27/93 set, Warren introduces the band as Steve Holly (drums), Lincoln Schleifer(sp??) (bass), and Danny Lewis (keys?). They all seem to have played with some big names. Cheers, Paul. obCD-R: Warren Haynes, Flood Zone, Richmond, 4/27/93 e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri Jul 31 00:40:47 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 04:40:47 +0000 Subject: shameless appreciation Message-ID: > > > I'll even throw in a bonus: Pat Boone's "No More Mister Nice Guy: In > > > a Metal Mood". > > >One of the ads features Alice Cooper and Pat Boone. Which I guess is kind > >of shocking to the general public, but in reality these guys have > >actually become pretty good friends, and their friendship helped give > >Pat the inspiration for his "metal" album. > > Not quite. They got together as part of the advertising for the album and > became friends. They appeared on some award show to present with Boone > dressed in leather and studs. Alice was asked to dress like Boone but > thought it would be too cheesy and declined. It`s all advertising really. > They`re not close or anything. > As an aside, the reason some people could find the Alice/Boone ads odd is > that in the seventies, Boone slated Alice as being a bad influence (and all > that crap) and said in print something like he wouldn`t let his children see > such a deprived show or words to that effect. > Seems to have changed his mind now. > > Si Well, I think everyone mellows with age...even Christian soldiers like Pat. And Alice pulled up on the joystick somewhat in the late 70s / early 80s...softening his image and identifying himself as a performer and not a Satanist with his various public appearances and TV guest spots. Compared to some of the crap out there today, Alice is actually quite tame...and although I still "Love him to death", I can see why kids today would consider him kinda hokey and passe. I guess it's because Alice went so far such a long time ago that his illegitimate children like Marilyn Manson feel the need to go even further and be more adamant about the "fact" that they really ARE their stage personae. All I have to say to that is, expect Marilyn center square on the new Hollywood Squares within five years...if the show lasts that long. BTW, since you're such a know-it-all on Alice...Are we getting some new material? If so, when? -- Nick From nick at THECAMPUS.COM Fri Jul 31 00:40:47 1998 From: nick at THECAMPUS.COM (Nick English) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 04:40:47 +0000 Subject: OFF: Better popular bands?? Message-ID: > couple tunes he played slide on, then he used a LP. He opened with > Just Before the Bullets fly. Is that the Gregg Allman tune, and did > WH write it and play on any of GA's solo albums? > > > ******************************* > > theo I could be wrong, but I don't think Warren was with Greg until he hooked up with the reunited Allman Brothers for "Seven Turns". He got their via Dickey Betts, as he was a member of The Dickey Betts Band. Pick up that group's late 80s album "Pattern Disruptive", BTW, if you wanna hear some really kick-ass rock! -- Nick > From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Jul 30 14:17:00 1998 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:17:00 +0100 Subject: OFF: Better popular bands?? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980730145706.00984e50@mailhost.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: In article <3.0.5.32.19980730145706.00984e50 at mailhost.ed.harlequin.co.uk >, Dave Berry writes >Nor do the Verve's last two singles >("The Drugs Don't Work", and "BitterSweet Symphony"). they've had two out since then but whatever. The prob. with the last album, Urban Hymns, is it was essentially a solo LP by Ashcroft composed while the band was split, but recorded by the band upon reformation. It's OKish but no great shakes. For me, the talent is the guitar, Nick McCabe, who has now left the band again. Try the 1st release, "A Storm In Heaven" for 15 minute trawls into the ether, to see why they were dismissed as a "spacerock band" first time around. I burnt a torch for these guys for *years*. -- Jon From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jul 31 07:37:24 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:37:24 +0000 Subject: shameless appreciation Message-ID: On fre 31 jul 1998 04.40 +0000 "" wrote: > Compared to some of the crap out there today, Alice > is actually quite tame...and although I still "Love him to death", I > can see why kids today would consider him kinda hokey and passe. In dunno how they do, though. Alice played London not so mmany months ago, and the gig was heavily subscribed by members of the Cambridge Rock Society! And Alice songs feature regularly in DJ sets at the little rock club they run biweekly in Cambridge. (I must be close to being the oldest person in the Society!) BTW, I DJ a set on Tuesday :) BOC's "See You in Black" and tBS's cover of Hawkwind's "Needle Gun" *shall* appear (along with tracks from Orange Goblin, Spiritual Beggars, Cathedral, Geezer, Motorhead, the Beatles, Cream, Kingston Wall ... :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jul 31 07:40:07 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:40:07 +0000 Subject: OFF: Better popular bands?? Message-ID: On fre 31 jul 1998 04.40 +0000 "" wrote: > theo wrote: >> couple tunes he played slide on, then he used a LP. He opened with >> Just Before the Bullets fly. Is that the Gregg Allman tune, and did >> WH write it and play on any of GA's solo albums? > > I could be wrong, but I don't think Warren was with Greg until he > hooked up with the reunited Allman Brothers for "Seven Turns". Actually, I think Warren may have been a writer or co-writer on "Just Before the Bullets Fly". Don't have the info with me though! Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Fri Jul 31 08:11:11 1998 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (David Hardman) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 13:11:11 +0100 Subject: Buck in Vintage Guitar magazine In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980730110245.007f6220@sirius.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Jun 1998, John A Swartz wrote: > I heard that there's supposed to be an article or interview with Buck > in the July issue of Vintage Guitar magazine. The July issue at my > local record store shows no evidence of this -- anybody know what's up? I've just been browsing the webpage of the BOC Fanclub (www.bocfanclub.com) and it says that the Buck Dharma interview is in the August edition of Vintage Guitar. Dave ****************************************************************************** David Hardman HCI Design Centre School of Informatics City University Northampton Square London EC1V 0HB Phone: +44 0171 477 8152 Fax: +44 0171 477 8859 E-mail: D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk ***************************************************************************** From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Fri Jul 31 08:18:25 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 08:18:25 -0400 Subject: OFF: sonics rendezvous Message-ID: Thought some fans of the 5 might be interested in this. -Brian >------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- >From: Svb442 at aol.com >Date sent: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 20:37:54 EDT >To: dgieff at sdv.fr >Subject: sonics rendezvous > >hey all- > >y'all should be aware that "sweet nuthin'", the most awesome, >official >live document of sonic's rendezvous band, is now out. and amazing >it is. >10 tracks, including an 8+ minute version of "city slang". plus a cool >booklet with some very nice pics. all can be had by going to >www.sonicsrendezvous.com. this is it brothers and sisters. go for >the >real thing! > >-- >==================================================================== >This message is from the Divine Rites-L List. >unsubscribe ------> "UNSUBSCRIBE DIVINE RITES" in the *subject* >send a message ---> *subject* beginning by "RITES:" >list of commands -> "RITES:REQUEST" in the *subject* and HELP in the *body* From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Jul 31 10:02:23 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:02:23 +0100 Subject: OFF: sonics rendezvous In-Reply-To: <329A5258416CD111928F006008A62C7635313D@bpxsv.156.106.206.in-addr.arpa> Message-ID: I think it was an ObCD on one of my mails last week :) Definitely worth having! - Andy mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham > -----Original Message----- > From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List [mailto:BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU]On > Behalf Of brian halligan > Sent: 31 July 1998 13:18 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: OFF: sonics rendezvous > > > Thought some fans of the 5 might be interested in this. > > -Brian > > >------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > >From: Svb442 at aol.com > >Date sent: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 20:37:54 EDT > >To: dgieff at sdv.fr > >Subject: sonics rendezvous > > > >hey all- > > > >y'all should be aware that "sweet nuthin'", the most awesome, > >official > >live document of sonic's rendezvous band, is now out. and amazing > >it is. > >10 tracks, including an 8+ minute version of "city slang". plus a cool > >booklet with some very nice pics. all can be had by going to > >www.sonicsrendezvous.com. this is it brothers and sisters. go for > >the > >real thing! > > > >-- > >==================================================================== > >This message is from the Divine Rites-L List. > >unsubscribe ------> "UNSUBSCRIBE DIVINE RITES" in the *subject* > >send a message ---> *subject* beginning by "RITES:" > >list of commands -> "RITES:REQUEST" in the *subject* and HELP in the > *body* > From brianh at PULLEYN.COM Fri Jul 31 10:31:24 1998 From: brianh at PULLEYN.COM (brian halligan) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:31:24 -0400 Subject: OFF: sonics rendezvous Message-ID: >I think it was an ObCD on one of my mails last week :) > >Definitely worth having! > >- Andy > >mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham Oops! Sorry, missed that one. So how's the version of "City Slang"? The CD is on my short list to buy along with WotEoT (I've been putting that one off for far too long.) Brian ---------- Brian Halligan mailto:brianh at pulleyn.com http://home.earthlink.net/~halligan/wicker.html "We are drawing a moustache on the wanted poster of the face of music." -Fierce Wicker ---------- From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Jul 31 10:43:32 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 09:43:32 -0500 Subject: OFF: The party's at Zeit's Message-ID: >Well, over here I can see "Uncle Jah Wants You", "Electric Spanking Of War Babies" by Funkadelic, a couple of Bootsy 12"ers, "Real Men Wear Black" and"Word Up" by Cameo, some Ohio Players, early Earth, Wind & Fire, far too much Rick James, some George Clinton solo stuff [been playing "Hey Man...Smell My Finger" a lot]. There's also a CD of early Parliament material cunningly called "The Early Years", which is rather good. Oh, and a mini album by the P-Funk All Stars. And that's just the stuff I've played this month which hasn't been filed away! You had to ask! Zeit Heeeeeyyyyyy -aaaa, there's a party over here, there's a party over there. There would definitely be a bumpin' party at Zeit's place. Grandmaster Z? How many turntables can ya handle at once. 8>) >They've been mentioned in passing, but I've got to throw The Tea Party into the ring. My vote for most underrated band, and again a sublime mix of 70's dynamics, 90's production, classic songs and superb instrumentation. >So go buy "Splendor Solis", "The Edges Of Twilight" [featuring Roy Harper!] and "Transmission". I've recently heard some of their stuff, Very Queensryche'ish. Only seen their albums in this area at Towers and their are a bit expensive, $18.00 (US) each. The song "Fire in the Head" is always in my head lately, love it, but not sure why. Ghost in the Ruins From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Jul 31 10:48:57 1998 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:48:57 +0100 Subject: OFF: Better popular bands?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: At 19:17 30/07/98 +0100, Jon Browne wrote: >>Nor do the Verve's last two singles >>("The Drugs Don't Work", and "BitterSweet Symphony"). > >they've had two out since then but whatever. That's me, always hip to the happenin' music scene, daddy-oh! ;-) >For me, the talent is the guitar, Nick McCabe, who has now left the band >again. Try the 1st release, "A Storm In Heaven" for 15 minute trawls >into the ether, to see why they were dismissed as a "spacerock band" >first time around. OK, I'll give it a try. Dave. Harlequin Ltd., Lismore House, 127 George St, Edinburgh, EH2 4JN, UK. Tel: +44 131 240 6106. From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Jul 31 10:53:41 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 09:53:41 -0500 Subject: OFF: Better popular bands??) Message-ID: >When mentioning power trios of the 90s, how could I have failed to mention with the highest possible praise the mighty, the sublime, the ineffable Kingston Wall?! >MOTORHEAD!!!!! Okay, okay. Everbody got their favorite three piece. My vote King's X. They don't really embark on the extensive jams like the Mule (though they have done so at some shows) and they are not really heavy metal pounders like Motorhead (they do have metal in their blood Visions, Moanjam, Lookin' For Love). For musicality though, they can't be touched. >Uh... that's Bruce Dickenson of Chrysalis Records fame or non-fame is more like it. {Snip} BD of Iron Maiden would do a better job I'm sure. Thanks for clearing that up Al, 'preciate it. BTW their loss, obviously. No wonder the general public has to put up with such lame music these days. Ghost in the Ruins "Remember amigos, PBS sucks becuase its free!" - Johnny Bluejeans From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Jul 31 10:58:58 1998 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD, Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 07:58:58 -0700 Subject: OFF:Dream Three Piece Message-ID: Here's a dream three peice from the list dreamer: Doug Pinnick, Bass, vox (Funk/Rock) Al Bouchard, Drums, vox (Rock/Funk) **Rik Emmett, guitar, vox (Jazz, Rock, Classical) **somebody got to be the Ordinary Man in this group. 8>) Ghost in the Ruins "Remember amigos, PBS sucks becuase its free!" - Johnny Bluejeans From kkusic at EXECPC.COM Fri Jul 31 11:05:47 1998 From: kkusic at EXECPC.COM (Karen Kusic) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:05:47 -0500 Subject: HW: [Fwd: Sound alikes] Message-ID: Interesting observation from the Killing Joke mailing list regarding Hawkwind and Killing Joke. Comments? Karen > Subject: > Sound alikes > Date: > Fri, 31 Jul 1998 14:17:47 +0100 > We've all heard Nirvana doing "eighties" but another soundalike from a more > unlikely source is a track called "Secret Agent" by Hawkwind, from an album > called "Electric Teepee" circa '92. > The riff is lifted straight off "Age of Greed" by KJ. > > You can hear echoes of the Joke on other tracks from the album, which is > well worth a listen. Anybody got any other thoughts on soundalikes (not > straight covers)?? > > On a different note, I seem to remember an interview with Jaz from the very > early eighties when he mentioned that the only band he liked among his peers > were Joy Division. > Anybody else read this? > > > Alan The Killing Joke site: http://music.dartmouth.edu/~dupras/kj/kj.html From Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM Fri Jul 31 11:17:15 1998 From: Andy.Gilham at BTINTERNET.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:17:15 +0100 Subject: OFF: sonics rendezvous In-Reply-To: <329A5258416CD111928F006008A62C76353142@bpxsv.156.106.206.in-addr.arpa> Message-ID: > Oops! Sorry, missed that one. It was on a mail about the Beastie Boys... :) > So how's the version of "City Slang"? It's intense! For a twenty-year-old soundboard recording, the quality's not too shabby either. And it's a perfectly legit release, too, approved by Patti Smith. (So there's your BOC connection, after a fashion.) (BTW, in my mail about the Farren album, I forgot the big HW connection, Alan Powell on drums.) - Andy ObCD: Calexico - _The Black Light_ mailto:Andy.Gilham at btinternet.com; http://www.btinternet.com/~andy.gilham From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Jul 31 12:20:09 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 17:20:09 +0100 Subject: OFF: The party's at Zeit's Message-ID: BREVARD, Adrian R. wrote: > Heeeeeyyyyyy -aaaa, there's a party over here, there's a party over > there. There would definitely be a bumpin' party at Zeit's place. > Grandmaster Z? How many turntables can ya handle at once. 8>) > > Turntables I can handle, but as my current flat is about 12ftx20ft, people might be a problem. But a couple of extension cords out the window and it's a street party!! Z -- ================================================================= ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 =========================================================================== From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Jul 31 12:44:53 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 17:44:53 +0100 Subject: OFF: Better popular bands?? Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. s2h2 wrote: > He opened with > Just Before the Bullets fly. Is that the Gregg Allman tune, and did > WH write it and play on any of GA's solo albums? > > Ok, boys and girls, the southern guru responds; "Warren met Dickey Betts and Gregg Allman through David Allan Coe, and when Coe's band opened for the Allman Brothers at the Fox Theaterin Atlanta, Dickey sat in. After four years, Warren moved to Nashville to do session work, but the Allman connection wouldn't go away. Dickey was doing some demos in Nashville and called someone to put together a group of background singers. As fate would have it, Warren was one of them. "Dickey came up to me and said, 'What are you doing here?' I said, 'I'm singing back-up on your stuff.' He said 'Oh really. You got your guitar with you?' I told him 'No.' and he said, 'Good!' and started laughing." Good natured ribbing aside, Dickey kept thinking about Warren's guitar playing. He called Warren up later and invited him down to work on some songs. Those songs turned into Dickey's solo album, Pattern Disruptive. At the same time, Gregg decided to record "Just Before The Bullets Fly", which Warren co-wrote, as the title track to his 1988 album. It's no wonder that when the Allman Brothers reformed for their Reunion Tour in 1989, Warren got the call." -- ================================================================= ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 =========================================================================== From Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Jul 31 12:48:08 1998 From: Steve at DOREMI.DEMON.CO.UK (Steve Pond) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:48:08 GMT Subject: HW: [Fwd: Sound alikes] In-Reply-To: <35C1DD4B.41C948F7@execpc.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:05:47 -0500, you sent through the ether: >Interesting observation from the Killing Joke mailing list regarding >Hawkwind and Killing Joke. > >Comments? > >Karen I remember being turned onto KJ around the time of their 1st single by a fellow Hawkfan who claimed they sounded just like HW.. I could just about see what he meant and loved KJ around the time of "Requiem" but the influence going the other way? maybe via a younger Hawk member or if the Hawks were recycling a riff of their own that KJ had also recycled.. :) I`m unfamiliar with the HW album in question so I`ll shut up now. -S. From xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Jul 31 02:42:24 1998 From: xzx28 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Stuart A Hamilton) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 07:42:24 +0100 Subject: OFF: Better popular bands?? Message-ID: I've got "Dose" on order. I'm hoping to get my hands on the ltd edition vinyl, issued on Evil Teen. A friend in New York is trying to get it. If not, he's going to send over the CD. Paul Mather wrote: > BTW, which Gov't Mule album did you order? > ================================================================= ZEITGEIST E-ZINE & THE RECORD HUNTER at http://www.zeitgeist-scot.com Shamrock Multimedia, PO Box 13499, Edinburgh EH6 8YL, UK Tel: 0966-389732 Fax: 0131-467-1827 =========================================================================== From mordru at FLITE.NET Fri Jul 31 12:58:33 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 12:58:33 -0400 Subject: OFF:Dream Three Piece Message-ID: >Here's a dream three peice from the list dreamer: > >Doug Pinnick, Bass, vox (Funk/Rock) >Al Bouchard, Drums, vox (Rock/Funk) >**Rik Emmett, guitar, vox (Jazz, Rock, Classical) Bolle Gregmar, Bass John Swartz, Bass Theo, Bass or something like that. And he took the stars in his hands and as he scattered them he'd shout: "I'm the Joker of the Universe! I'm What it's all about!" - "The Great Sun Jester" by Blue ?yster Cult (Eric Bloom, Michael Moorcock) -AAA From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri Jul 31 12:57:34 1998 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 17:57:34 +0100 Subject: HW: [Fwd: Sound alikes] In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:48:08 GMT." <35c1f4a7.255574@post.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: > >Interesting observation from the Killing Joke mailing list regarding > >Hawkwind and Killing Joke. > > > > I remember being turned onto KJ around the time of their 1st single by a > fellow Hawkfan who claimed they sounded just like HW.. I could just > about see what he meant and loved KJ around the time of "Requiem" but > the influence going the other way? Get Youth doing remixes of Hawkwind. Now there's a thought... Tim ObCD: Hovercaft, _ankathisia_ From mordru at FLITE.NET Fri Jul 31 12:58:33 1998 From: mordru at FLITE.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 12:58:33 -0400 Subject: OFF: Better popular bands??) Message-ID: >MOTORHEAD!!!!! Speaking of which, saw them yesterday, main reason I went to Ozzfest, and made the whole show worthwhile (don't get me wrong, Ozzy was fine, and Megadeath did a nice version of Anarchy, but I didn't care for Tool. Sad seeing Lemmy relegated to the 2nd stage, they had barely 30 feet x 50 feet for their entire setup. Didn't matter. The main stage has seating, the 2nd stage just asphault, which got me in front, shoved back, in front, etc. repeatedly in a typically violent shoving pit in the front. Coral Sky (West Palm Beach) is a fine concert venue, (seats under roof in the front half, open air sloped grass in the back. The slope formed a small hill of sorts, giving an area to the side partially sheltered from the main stage, this was where they stuck Lemmy & co. They only gave him half an hour, which was a crime. about a half dozen classics, plus a song from the latest album or two, didn't keep track. He was aware of the time, too, every time some kind of chant or shouting started up he'd say "we don't have time for that" and get on with the next song. Didn't waste any other time, just the typical "We're Motorhead and we're gonna kick your ass" intro. Anyways, I skipped this show last time around, but Motorhead was worth it alone. Whoever had the 2nd stage before them was also worthwhile seeing, but didn't catch their name... And he took the stars in his hands and as he scattered them he'd shout: "I'm the Joker of the Universe! I'm What it's all about!" - "The Great Sun Jester" by Blue ?yster Cult (Eric Bloom, Michael Moorcock) -AAA From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jul 31 13:12:23 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 13:12:23 EDT Subject: OFF: Better popular bands?? In-Reply-To: <35C1F483.DFBA6E36@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: > From: Stuart A Hamilton > invited him down to work on some songs. Those songs turned into Dickey's solo > album, > Pattern Disruptive. > I may be a Dickey solo album, but Warren's all over it, as is Johnny Neal, who joined ABB for Seven Turns, then, sadly left. BTW, Pattern Disruptive is a great album, and gives a foreshadow of the sound of the Warren and Woody-era ABB... > At the same time, Gregg decided to record "Just Before The Bullets Fly", which > Warren > co-wrote, as the title track to his 1988 album. It's no wonder that when the > Allman > Brothers reformed for their Reunion Tour in 1989, Warren got the call." > > Isn't Woody on Pattern Disruptive also? Ashamed I can't remember, and I don't have it here in front of me... ******************************* theo "...Power in the hands of fools..." From desdinova at EARTHLING.NET Fri Jul 31 14:36:59 1998 From: desdinova at EARTHLING.NET (Chris Warburton) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 19:36:59 +0100 Subject: OFF: Better popular bands??) In-Reply-To: <199807311658.MAA16759@issfire1.co.palm-beach.fl.us> Message-ID: At 12:58 31/07/98 -0400, you wrote: >>MOTORHEAD!!!!! > >Snip. > >Sad seeing Lemmy relegated to the 2nd stage, they had barely >30 feet x 50 feet for their entire setup. > The whole club I first saw Motorhead in was barely bigger than that. The '76 Club' in Burton Upon Trent - location for the (now legitimised) Sex Pistols bootleg. This is another one of those live albums where the number of people who claim to have been there would have filled the club several hundred times: I wasn't there (that night), but I know from a friend that he was one of only 3 people (& a dog) who stayed to the end of the show - and the guy with the dog was just a drunk who'd wandered in off the streets about 15 mins before the end! ChrisW NP: Veni, Veni, Emmanuel/James MacMillan Free your mind & watch your ass! From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jul 31 16:00:42 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 20:00:42 +0000 Subject: OFF: Better popular bands?? Message-ID: On fre 31 jul 1998 07.42 +0100 "Stuart A Hamilton" wrote: > I've got "Dose" on order. Dose is a damn fine album, though I think _Live at the Roseland Ballroom_ is a better intro to the band (for all that it begins with a 16 minute multi-faceted instrumental :) -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jul 31 16:04:00 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 20:04:00 +0000 Subject: OFF: Better popular bands?? Message-ID: On fre 31 jul 1998 13.12 +0000 "Ted Jackson jr. s2h2" wrote: > BTW, Pattern > Disruptive is a great album, and gives a foreshadow of the sound of > the Warren and Woody-era ABB... Call me a blasphemer, but high though the Duane-era peaks were, I reckon the Warren/Woody era as when the band was most consistently good. I saw some absolute *blinders* of shows from that line-up ... -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jul 31 15:16:39 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:16:39 EDT Subject: OFF: Better popular bands?? In-Reply-To: <1754840.3110904240@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > From: Carl Edlund Anderson > > Call me a blasphemer, but high though the Duane-era peaks > were, I reckon the Warren/Woody era as when the band was most > consistently good. I saw some absolute *blinders* of shows from > that line-up ... > Hate to admit it, but you're right in a way. Difference being that Duane essentially was inventing the sound, while WH was interpreting. And WH rarely played slide before joining ABB! I understand the new guy, Jack Pearson is a kick-ass slide player too. I haven't seen the current lineup, but it might be a culture shock: two Strats on stage [well, Jack plays a G&L, but...] instead of twin LPs! And for sure, the W&W era was an amazing live act. I understand the group's much quieter these days, as Warren really rocked out volume-wise... ******************************* theo "...Power in the hands of fools..." From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Jul 31 15:18:38 1998 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. s2h2) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:18:38 EDT Subject: OFF: Better popular bands?? In-Reply-To: <1742930.3110904042@cea20.joh.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: > From: Carl Edlund Anderson > > Dose is a damn fine album, though I think _Live at the > Roseland Ballroom_ is a better intro to the band (for all that > it begins with a 16 minute multi-faceted instrumental :) > > -- GM is one band that shines at live work. Damn, I had to miss back-to-back shows, one in my town, and one just down the road; at the beginning of their Dose tour due to previous vacation plans. They play up here quite a bit though... ******************************* theo "...Power in the hands of fools..." From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Jul 31 16:45:30 1998 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 20:45:30 +0000 Subject: OFF:Dream Three Piece Message-ID: Al Bouchard: drums Lemmy: bass Martin Barre: guitar (Emma H?rdelin: vocals :) If Lemmy and Martin aren't available, I'll settle for Geezer Butler and either Michael Amott or Gaz Jennings :) Cheers, Carl -- Carl Edlund Anderson Dept. of Anglo-Saxon, Norse, & Celtic St. John's College, University of Cambridge mailto:cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~carl/ From paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU Fri Jul 31 23:44:34 1998 From: paul at GROMIT.DLIB.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 23:44:34 -0400 Subject: OFF: _Dose_ vinyl In-Reply-To: <35C1674F.EECF5107@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 31 Jul 1998, Stuart A Hamilton wrote: > I've got "Dose" on order. I'm hoping to get my hands on the ltd edition > vinyl, issued on Evil Teen. A friend in New York is trying to get it. If > not, he's going to send over the CD. Ah, but is that the standard limited edition, or the super limited edition (500 worldwide; numbered; coloured vinyl; signed by band; includes exclusive art print)? Last I remember on eMULE, the vinyl was still delayed, but due to pop out Real Soon Now[tm]. If you get it, let us know what "I Put A Spell On You" sounds like, won't you? Cheers, Paul. NP: Gov't Mule, _Dose_ (appropriately enough) e-mail: paul at gromit.dlib.vt.edu "I didn't mean to take up all your sweet time" --- James Marshall Hendrix